[12:01] <ivoks> time for bed...
[12:01] <ivoks> bye all
[12:01] <\sh> ivoks: no u go tu #u-m
[12:02] <\sh> now;)
[12:02] <ogra> \sh, i'm already doing that...
[12:02] <ivoks> ?
[12:02] <ivoks> :_
[12:02] <\sh> go to ;)
[12:02] <ogra> \sh, with a bottle of merlot
[12:02] <\sh> ogra: argl..
[12:02] <ivoks> \sh: ?
[12:02] <\sh> ivoks: u have to go to ubuntu-meeting ;) as u said ;) not to bed;)
[12:03] <ivoks> i'm allready there
[12:03] <ivoks> noone is talking ::)))
[12:03] <ajmitch> ivoks: we said, it's tomorrow ;)
[12:03] <Unfrgiven> alright guys in that case i'm going to go to work.... no point staying home if the meeting isn't on! :)
[12:03] <ivoks> ajmitch: i know
[12:03] <ivoks> i'm joking with \sh
[12:03] <ajmitch> bye Unfrgiven
[12:03] <\sh> cu Unfrgiven
[12:04] <Unfrgiven> i just had to send my manager an email saying i got the day wrong! :)
[12:04] <ajmitch> hehe
[12:04] <ajmitch> poor chap
[12:04] <Unfrgiven> indeed...
[12:04] <Unfrgiven> cya all later
[12:04] <\sh> ubuntu addicted
[12:04] <ivoks> welll... bye
[12:04] <Unfrgiven> \sh: they dont call it crack for nothing!
[12:05] <\sh> Unfrgiven: hmmm
[12:07] <\sh> ok.gents..for it's also time to say good night..no mail to my manager, but managing to go to bad :)
[12:07] <\sh> "me" is missing
[12:07] <\sh> g'night
[12:08] <Mithrandir> sleep tight
[01:16] <Burgundavia> is this CXX related? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11123
[01:20] <lamont> what is the cdbs target to unpack and patch source?
[01:49] <jamessan> then why use cdbs?
[02:25] <jbailey> lamont: apply-patches
[02:25] <jbailey> lamont: (assuming that it's simple-patchsys, and not patch and quilt)
[02:25] <jbailey> lamont: We really need to unify all of those.
[02:26] <lamont> jbailey: ok. :-)
[04:35] <tseng> hi
[04:36] <crimsun> hi
[05:53] <tritium> hi crimsun
[05:53] <crimsun> lo tritium
[05:55] <tritium> How are things?
[05:58] <crimsun> not bad, yourself?
[05:58] <tritium> Not bad, thanks.
[05:58] <crimsun> great
[06:59] <Amaranth> woo, smeg passes lintian with no errors or warnings
[07:00] <Amaranth> once pyxdg 0.11 gets into main i'll have to find someone to sponsor it
[07:00] <ajmitch> it shouldn't be hard to find a willing sponsor
[07:02] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, smeg is very nice, probably nicer than the default gnome one
[07:02] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: that's the plan :)
[07:02] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, what is it written in? can gnome use it by default?
[07:02] <Amaranth> python
[07:03] <Burgundavia> what is the status of python in gnome, I am little confused
[07:03] <Amaranth> i doubt gnome would use it by default, it uses pyxdg instead of the gnome-menus python bindings
[07:03] <Amaranth> well, the one in GNOME is written in python too...
[07:03] <Burgundavia> ah
[07:03] <Amaranth> plus mark likes simple simple editor and i don't think he wants to step on any toes
[07:04] <Burgundavia> but smeg is actually simpler as a UI than the gnome one
[07:04] <Amaranth> so gnome-menu-editor and smeg are going for advanced users and gmenu-simple-edit goes for simple uses
[07:04] <Amaranth> err, 0.6 looks just like the one in gnome :D
[07:05] <ajmitch> I think python is encouraged & allowed in GNOME now
[07:05] <Amaranth> python is the only high-level language that is allowed right now, afaik
[07:05] <Burgundavia> ok
[07:06] <Burgundavia> I suspect ruby may be the next one, which would be nice
[07:06] <Burgundavia> as Java/Mono is tied up to language holywars
[07:06] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: http://www.realistanew.com/images/smeg/smeg-0.6.png
[07:08] <Burgundavia> hmm, I saw a one-paned menu editor
[07:08] <Burgundavia> was that the old smeg?
[07:11] <Amaranth> You mean http://www.realistanew.com/images/smeg/smeg-0.5.png ?
[07:12] <Burgundavia> yes
[07:12] <Burgundavia> why did you dump the one pane?
[07:12] <Amaranth> people seemed to not like it
[07:13] <Burgundavia> hmm, I happen to like the concept, much simpler
[07:13] <Amaranth> yeah, i think it was more "spatial"
[07:13] <Burgundavia> and cleaner
[07:13] <Burgundavia> but people are really tied to the 2 pane idea
[07:14] <Amaranth> yeah, plus it makes my life easier having two seperate TreeViews
[07:14] <Amaranth> as far as coding, i mean
[07:14] <Amaranth> DnD would have been a PITA with the one pane
[08:51] <\sh> morning
[08:53] <ivoks> morning
[08:53] <ivoks> ah, time for americas army :)
[08:53] <ivoks> there's nothing better then blod, guns and killing in 9AM
[09:03] <\sh> hmmm...i think it's a good time to start the day with a cup of coffee
[10:41] <Nafallo> hi all!
[10:46] <\sh> ogra:ping
[10:49] <ogra> \sh, pong
[10:51] <\sh> ogra: i hope this try will be the last try for dar
[10:51] <ogra> oki... i'll look at it soo, just let me finish my 150 mails....
[10:52] <\sh> ogra: yeah..no hurry.
[10:52] <\sh> making some party mood inside the NOC with "wir sind papst" *sing*
[10:57] <\sh> strike...diff looks nice
[10:58] <\sh> let me grab a cup of coffee and after this i will upload the diff to bugzilla
[11:14] <\sh> ogra: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=2496
[11:14] <elmo> GUYS
[11:15] <ogra> elmo
[11:15] <\sh> where?
[11:15] <elmo> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE triple check your dput.cf/dupload.confs and DON'T UPLOAD ubuntu packages to Debian
[11:15] <elmo> \sh: that means _you_ dude :P
[11:15] <\sh> elmo: hmm it's an error of dput
[11:15] <ogra> \sh, lots of ubuntu devs are developing for debian
[11:16] <elmo> ogra: nevertheless, we should fix our dput and dupload to default to ubuntu
[11:16] <elmo> having misplaced uploads for debian by ubuntu folks end up in our queue is a lot less painful than the reverse
[11:16] <ogra> elmo, i'll fix it during the day....
[11:16] <elmo> thanks
[11:17] <\sh> i tried to dput local and didn't have mini-dinstall installed
[11:17] <\sh> and I saw "upload packages"
[11:17] <\sh> but normally dput should ignore those uploads..cause .dputrc was in my home..strange
[11:17] <\sh> sorry
[11:17] <ogra> \sh, on the Uploads wikipage re the tweaks you have to make :)
[11:18] <\sh> ogra: that wasn't the issue
[11:18] <\sh> [local] 
[11:18] <\sh> fqdn = localhost
[11:18] <\sh> method = local
[11:18] <\sh> incoming = /home/shermann/archive/mini-dinstall/incoming
[11:18] <\sh> allow_unsigned_uploads = 1
[11:18] <ogra> btw, the patch looks good now
[11:18] <\sh> post_upload_command = mini-dinstall --batch
[11:18] <\sh> this is my .dput.cf
[11:18] <\sh> but "mini-dinstall" wasn't installed in my chroot of breezy
[11:18] <\sh> so i did a dput local <mypackage> and normally it should complain only that mini-dinstall is not installed and do nothing
[11:19] <\sh> but I think he took the global config for it
[11:19] <\sh> I'm really sorry about it...please tell all the debian devs my appologies
[11:19] <\sh> next time the beer goes on my account
[11:20] <\sh> ogra: the rules file was quite funny
[11:20] <ogra> \sh, you dont need to apologize to the debian devs, only to te ftp master who has to handle it ;)
[11:21] <\sh> ogra: it doesn't matter to whom I have to tell my appologies..it's annonying
[11:22] <\sh> ogra: and it's quite bad that I was the one :(
[11:22] <ogra> nah
[11:22] <\sh> I'm taking it personally ;)
[11:22] <ogra> youre not the only one
[11:26] <\sh> ogra: Now I know what happened..so i can avoid it in the future
[11:26] <ogra> good
[11:28] <\sh> but it's really strange that it takes the default upload config even if there is a local dput.cf
[11:34] <Burgundavia> siretart, ping
[11:34] <siretart> Burgundavia: pong
[11:35] <siretart> but I'm having lecture, and gotta leave in 10min
[11:35] <Burgundavia> siretart, regarding londonlaw
[11:35] <Burgundavia> siretart, shall I email you?
[11:35] <siretart> Burgundavia: if you don't mind, that'll be great!
[11:35] <Burgundavia> siretart, np
[11:36] <siretart> Burgundavia: I've read your suggestions on londonlaw-users ;)
[11:38] <siretart> \sh: will you attend the TB meeting this evening?
[11:38] <\sh> siretart: yes
[11:39] <Burgundavia> siretart, you also subscribed? saw my flood?
[11:39] <Burgundavia> siretart, sent
[11:39] <siretart> \sh: I want to attend to, but I'm won't make in on time. I will come at about 2030-2045. would you excuse me please?
[11:40] <siretart> Burgundavia: yes. much work for paul :)
[11:40] <\sh> siretart: sure np...
[11:40] <Burgundavia> once I get inkscape working, some work for me too
[11:41] <siretart> Burgundavia: I read your email, will comment on both suggestions. (already have thoughts about them)
[11:41] <Burgundavia> cool
[11:41] <Burgundavia> I like causing people work
[11:42] <siretart> \sh: thanks
[11:43] <Burgundavia> siretart, discovered the crownandcutlass FTBFS, he is using hardcoded nvidia only links
[11:43] <siretart> Burgundavia: :(
[11:43] <Burgundavia> there is some discussion about it on their forums, and possible fix, but I didn't play with it
[11:43] <Burgundavia> as SDL is currently done on my machine
[11:49] <\sh> ogra: how is the status of gnome-powermanager thingy
[01:01] <\sh> ogra: I'm a lucky guy
[01:01] <ogra> good for you then ;-P
[01:01] <ogra> ;)
[01:02] <ogra> but why ?
[01:02] <\sh> ogra: i will get some furniture on friday for free ;)
[01:02] <ogra> heh...
[01:03] <\sh> desk, settees, table, chairs etc. :)
[01:04] <\sh> those guys from wds-tech they're renewing their office and everything in there right now, they deliver it to me ;)
[01:04] <ogra> great :)
[01:04] <ajmitch> hi ogra, \sh
[01:06] <\sh> hey ajmitch
[01:08] <ogra> is anybody here using dput ?
[01:08] <\sh> yep
[01:08] <thom> yes
[01:08] <ogra> is there a default host setting like in dupload anywhere ?
[01:09] <thom> yeah, in the config file
[01:09] <\sh>  /etc/dput.cf
[01:09] <ogra> i got it open here do i add ubuntu to default_host_main  then ?
[01:09] <thom> yes
[01:09] <ogra> ah, thanks...
[01:11] <ogra> thom, so why dont you like <blink> tags ?
[01:11] <\sh> what is dput using if u don't give a destination for uploading? in my /etc/dput.cf  there is no default_host_main set...does it use then the first host entry? (ftp-master?)
[01:11] <\sh> ogra: thats netscapish
[01:11] <ogra> so ?
[01:12] <thom> ogra: *evil*
[01:12] <\sh> ogra: they were hated sind they were invented :)
[01:12] <\sh> s/sind/since/
[01:12] <thom> and yes, it'll use the first host entry by default
[01:12] <\sh> just like <marquee> from ms
[01:12] <\sh> thom: thats the reason why I uploaded accidently to debian :(
[01:12] <ogra> but its nice to have it to see the errors during scrolling
[01:13] <thom> just make em read; i find blink *really* hard to read
[01:13] <ogra> an i doubt anybody will look at our build logs with IE
[01:13] <thom> uh, "red"
[01:13] <ogra> they are red already... but i'll add a option to disable it
[01:14] <ogra> as i'll add a option to disable css, since fabbione doest like it :)
[01:15] <\sh> argl
[01:15] <ogra> thesaltydog, nice that you come back
[01:15] <\sh> I just saw dar not compiling on amd64.. i need access to amd64 platform ;)
[01:15] <thesaltydog> ogra, I was just looking for you
[01:16] <ogra> thesaltydog, sorry that i didnt intervene enough yesterday inthe talk with herve... please dont be upset
[01:17] <thesaltydog> ogra, I am not upset. I simply don't want my application anymore in ubuntu.. :-)
[01:19] <ajmitch> that is unfortunate, why is that?
[01:20] <ajmitch> hi ivoks
[01:20] <ivoks> hi ajmitch
[01:20] <ivoks> 25 kills, 3 KIA
[01:20] <ivoks> nice :)
[01:33] <\sh> thesaltydog: which application?
[01:34] <doko_> ogra: dar FTBFS
[01:36] <\sh> strike
[01:36] <\sh> http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=TROJ%5FPGPCODER%2EA&VSect=P
[01:36] <\sh> thats incredible
[01:39] <ajmitch> \sh: looks rather nasty :)
[01:39] <\sh> yeah
[01:41] <ogra> \sh, seen doko ?
[01:41] <\sh> but this is really, well, dangerous
[01:41] <\sh> ogra: toolchain or devel
[01:41] <ogra> \sh, <doko_> ogra: dar FTBFS
[01:41] <\sh> ogra: on ia64, amd64 and ppc
[01:42] <ogra> \sh, could you look at it ?
[01:42] <\sh> sure...
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[01:42] <\sh> warning: Using 'getgrgid' in statically linked applications requires at
[01:42] <\sh> runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking</font></span></td></tr>
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[01:43] <\sh> warning: Using 'getpwuid' in statically linked applications requires at
[01:43] <ogra> \sh, hey
[01:43] <\sh> runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking</font></span></td></tr>
[01:43] <Amaranth> he can't stop
[01:43] <\sh> argl
[01:43] <ogra> obviously
[01:43] <\sh> sorry
[01:43] <\sh> *grmpf* sometimes i have kde
[01:43] <\sh> i hate
[01:44] <ajmitch> bad \sh
[01:44] <ogra> the above is sad, the latter i can understand ;)
[01:44] <ajmitch> simple fix, use gnome
[01:44] <ogra> yeah
[01:44] <\sh> well...i need access to a chroot on amd64 and ppc ;)
[01:44] <ajmitch> if I was rich, I'd let you ;)
[01:45] <ajmitch> since I'm not, I don't have amd64 or ppc
[01:52] <\sh> ogra: u have amd64...
[01:53] <ogra> \sh, i have a amd64 that shuts down after about 1min compiling
[01:53] <Lathiat> heh
[01:53] <Lathiat> need a bgruuntier fan
[01:53] <\sh> hmmm
[01:53] <\sh> does sf.net has amd64 at their compile farm?
[01:54] <ogra> i have hairdryer for that, but i've given up to compile on this thing if its avoidable
[01:54] <\sh> a
[01:54] <\sh> ha
[01:54] <\sh> reading readme helps a lot...
[01:54] <Lathiat> documentation is for whimps
[01:54] <Lathiat> real men just kick it till it works
[01:55] <Lathiat> this is why men dont really achieve much in general
[01:55] <\sh> ogra: amd64 and static linking? issues? i don't have any exp with amd64 ;)
[01:55] <ogra> \sh, i'll look at it if i find time...
[02:00] <Mithrandir> \sh: I just fixed your account on ravel
[02:01] <\sh> Mithrandir: what account? ,-)
[02:01] <Mithrandir> \sh: amd64 account, like the one you asked for the other day.
[02:01] <\sh> ah :) didn't read my emails
[02:02] <\sh> Mithrandir: thx a lot :)
[02:02] <Mithrandir> you know it's bad when the fstab of a host is 73 lines
[02:02] <Lathiat> heh
[02:02] <Nafallo> lol
[02:02] <Lathiat> how the hell did that haepmn
[02:03] <Mithrandir> chroots and bind mounts
[02:04] <\sh> ogra: ok...u fooled me
[02:05] <ogra> me ?
[02:05] <ogra> never ;)
[02:05] <thom> 11:25 ~% wc -l /etc/fstab
[02:05] <thom> 55 /etc/fstab
[02:05] <thom> and that's my desktop
[02:05] <ogra> ugh
[02:05] <\sh> thats the reason why they renewed the autotools stuff
[02:05] <\sh> i just had a look into gentoo dar ebuild
[02:05] <\sh> autoreconf
[02:05] <\sh> libtoolize
[02:05] <\sh> libtoolize --copy --force || die
[02:06] <\sh>         # fix build on amd64
[02:06] <\sh> :)
[02:06] <ogra> but it should happen on build time.... not by including the config.{sub,guess} in the diff
[02:07] <\sh> ogra: i tried everything to avoid this, but if you copy config.{sub,guess} via runtime, after debdiff there is a change
[02:08] <\sh> cause those files are already there.
[02:08] <\sh> or I remove it from the diff at all
[02:08] <\sh> by hand
[02:09] <\sh> what do u think?
[02:09] <ogra> \sh, if they are in the diff, it indicates that you changed it...so make sure you dont change it ;) i.e. if it happens during the clean target, look if you cant move it to the configure target...
[02:10] <ogra> there are too any packages abusing the clean target imho.... poker3d is the worst i've seen so far
[02:10] <ogra> s/any/many/
[02:11] <\sh> ogra: I tried...config.{guess,sub} are in the orig.tar.gz, it doesn't change anything if I copy them via configure target or via clean
[02:11] <ogra> \sh, it should.... because you dont run configure if you make the source package
[02:12] <ogra> ... but clean is run....
[02:14] <\sh> lets try
[02:15] <\sh> some advise concerning running autreconf and libtoolize in the configure target?
[02:15] <ogra> not from my side if it doesnt break it :)
[02:15] <ogra> just make sure that "clean:" really only cleans :)
[02:16] <\sh> yeah...:)
[02:16] <\sh> lets check this version first...
[02:19] <\sh> Mithrandir: breezy == amd64 or jbailey-breezy-amd64 ? :)
[02:19] <jbailey> \sh: Please don't play with my chroot. =)
[02:20] <\sh> jbailey: ok :) this is enough info ;)
[02:20] <jbailey> \sh: My chroots tend to have things like really experimental glibc's loaded into them. =)
[02:20] <Mithrandir> \sh: hmm, I think I debootstrapped the wrong arch :/
[02:20] <Mithrandir> give me a few minutes to fix
[02:20] <\sh> Mithrandir: no problem :)
[02:21] <\sh> Mithrandir: and if you have time, i need at least these packages as build-deps (if they aren't already on it): zlib1g-dev, libattr1-dev, libbz2-dev, e2fslibs-dev, libssl-dev, autotools-dev
[02:24] <Mithrandir> don't separate them with , :P
[02:25] <Mithrandir> anyhow, installed
[02:26] <Mithrandir> anything else?
[02:30] <ogra> Mithrandir, heh, you lazy copy paster....
[02:30] <Mithrandir> ogra: dude, I'm a sysadmin.  Of course I'm lazy.
[02:30] <\sh> Mithrandir: thx :) not right now ;)
[02:30] <ogra> hmm, i thought that was a privilege of programmers :)
[02:31] <Mithrandir> ogra: sysadmins are even more lazy than programmers. :)
[02:31] <ogra> hehe
[02:31] <Mithrandir> but, I should be writing my thesis, not mucking around on IRC.
[02:31] <Mithrandir> see you around later.
[02:31] <\sh> Mithrandir: ah
[02:31] <\sh> dchroot -c breezy -d
[02:32] <\sh> dchroot: getpwnam failed for shermann in breezy chroot, aborting.
[02:32] <Mithrandir> fixed
[02:32] <\sh> thx :)
[02:32] <Mithrandir> (you want a user in the chroot too?  slacker! ;-)
[04:25] <ogra> \sh, ping
[04:25] <ogra> siretart, ping
[04:25] <siretart> ogra: lucky, I just wanted to log out ;)
[04:25] <ogra> siretart, you want to get approved today for MOTUness ?
[04:26] <siretart> ogra: I think I could help, so, yes
[04:26] <siretart> why do you ask?
[04:26] <ogra> siretart, then please put yourself on the agenda.... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/TechnicalBoardAgenda
[04:26] <ogra> \sh, the same goes for you ^^^^^^^^^
[04:27] <siretart> ogra: ah, I thought being on MaintainerCandidates would suffice
[04:27] <siretart> will do, thanks for pointing out!
[04:27] <ogra> nope, you should be on the agenda too...
[04:27] <siretart> on my way home, will do from there.
[04:27] <siretart> cu later
[04:29] <\sh> ogra: pong
[04:29] <\sh> ogra: I'm on the MaintainerList
[04:29] <\sh> isn't it enough?
[04:30] <ogra> \sh, please put yourself on the agenda too
[04:30] <\sh> k...at the bottom?
[04:31] <\sh> or under astharot?
[04:32] <ogra> wherever you like
[04:32] <Amaranth> as soon as pyxdg 0.11 gets into main can someone sponsor my smeg package?
[04:32] <Amaranth> it passed lintian with no warnings or errors
[04:33] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/0.6.2/ wasn't sure what was needed so i uploaded everything
[04:35] <ogra> .dsc diff.gz and orig.tar.gz :)
[04:35] <Amaranth> all there
[04:36] <Amaranth> this version supports KDE, it rocks :)
[04:36] <Lathiat> whatd you do to do that
[04:37] <Amaranth> do you really want to know? it's ugly
[04:37] <Lathiat> yes
[04:37] <\sh> Amaranth: the gnome people will kiss your feet for this tool ;)
[04:37] <Lathiat> im still wondering why gnome has its own
[04:38] <Lathiat> and then theres smeg
[04:38] <Amaranth> Lathiat: http://rafb.net/paste/results/5e1qhs46.html
[04:38] <\sh> they will hail you, they will call u "god" ;)
[04:38] <Amaranth> gnome didn't have its own when i started
[04:38] <Lathiat> thats my point.
[04:38] <Amaranth> mark wants a simple editor for the builtin gnome one
[04:38] <Amaranth> appearently the plan is to have it come up on right click on the menu and basically only do what it does now
[04:38] <ogra> does he ?
[04:38] <Amaranth> that's how he made it sound
[04:39] <\sh> hmm..gnome 2.10 doesn't have one ;) at least it's not working for the freedesktop specs
[04:39] <Amaranth> me and manny get to fight for the advanced editor spot
[04:39] <ogra> \sh, nope, but 2.12
[04:39] <Lathiat> manny?
[04:39] <Amaranth> \sh: nope, that's why i wrote this
[04:39] <Amaranth> christian me<can't spell it, french>
[04:39] <Amaranth> err, Nesomething
[04:39] <Lathiat> he wrote one too?
[04:39] <\sh> ogra: 2.12 is ready for include?
[04:39] <Amaranth> gnome-menu-editor in gnome's CVS
[04:39] <ogra> \sh, 2.12 will b in breezy....
[04:40] <Lathiat> b b in b reezy
[04:40] <ogra> \sh, i guess right after the CXX and X transitions are done
[04:40] <Amaranth> \sh: smeg works on hoary too, with a couple of extra packages :)
[04:40] <\sh> ogra: u see..I'm not up2date with gnome :(
[04:42] <Amaranth> Lathiat: Did you look at my KDE theme code?
[04:42] <Amaranth> Lathiat: Makes me want to puke.
[04:42] <Lathiat> Amaranth: :)
[04:42] <Lathiat> Amaranth: i've written worse
[04:42] <Amaranth> so have i, look at the rest of smeg ;)
[04:42] <Lathiat> i had this irc server
[04:42] <Lathiat> that linked into a network
[04:42] <Lathiat> (the one i was running)
[04:42] <Lathiat> to detect and nuke floodnets, etc
[04:42] <Lathiat> and uh, yeh that was rather horrid python
[04:42] <Amaranth> heh
[04:43] <Amaranth> my hack for loading debian menu icons is really bad copy and paste crap
[04:43] <Amaranth> trying to load debian menu icons with my new setup for loading icons was taking 10 seconds
[04:44] <Amaranth> since the icons don't exist it was searching once in the kde theme, once in the gnome theme, and twice in hicolor
[04:44] <Amaranth> for each icon
[04:44] <Lathiat> heh
[04:54] <\sh> ogra: now it goes...my try to compile dar on amdt64 ;)
[04:54] <ogra> hope you have the hour it takes to compile it ;)
[04:55] <\sh> ogra: just finished ;)
[04:55] <ogra> ah, yes, my build machine is a pIII 900....might be somewhat different
[04:56] <\sh> ogra: hehe...but my laptop is glowing just because it's burning :)
[04:57] <ogra> heh
[04:58] <\sh> strike
[04:58] <\sh> done...dar is compiling on amd64
[04:59] <\sh> so I can go home...and upload later the patch :)
[05:00] <\sh> guys...laters :) bus is waiting :)
[05:00] <ogra> not the patch, the packet ;)
[05:04] <thom> ogra: any ideas on monodevelop for amd64? ;-)
[05:05] <ogra> thom, its working great... :)
[05:05] <ogra> tseng nd i talked about which mono apps should go to main....
[05:05] <thom> ogra: ... in breezy? ;-)
[05:05] <ogra> yep
[05:06] <ogra> beagle should be one...and eithe f-spot or monodevelop the second
[05:06] <Treenaks> f-spot is nice.. if you don't have an existing photo library
[05:06] <thom> i'd say all three and tomboy too
[05:06] <Treenaks> categorising an existing library is hell
[05:06] <ogra> (havent tried the 0.7 build yet)
[05:06] <ogra> thom, this many ?
[05:06] <thom> ogra: sure, why not?
[05:06] <Treenaks> ogra: if you can get them, why not
[05:07] <ogra> we have to care for all of them in main then...
[05:07] <ogra> i'd rather go with a small amount at the start and raise the number later...
[05:07] <thom> i don't see the point of having a totally artificial split and those four are imho the core mono apps
[05:07] <Amaranth> i agree
[05:08] <ogra> but what about blam for example ?
[05:08] <ogra> or muine
[05:08] <ogra> i guess they should stay in universe
[05:08] <Amaranth> heh, i use both of those
[05:08] <Amaranth> but having them in universe isn't a problem, most people don't use them
[05:08] <ogra> but we have a music player in the default install...lets avoid redundancys
[05:09] <Burgundavia> blam is a mess
[05:09] <Burgundavia> and muine is dup
[05:09] <Amaranth> yeah, i agreed with leaving them in universe :)
[05:09] <Burgundavia> and violates the Ubuntu one good app
[05:09] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: what's wrong with blam?
[05:09] <ogra> its crashy
[05:09] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, a mess internally, c and C#
[05:09] <ogra> like f-spot on amd64 still is :( sadly....
[05:09] <Amaranth> 1.8.0 is, hallski says a lot of that is fixed in CVS
[05:10] <ogra> Burgundavia, worse c++ and c#
[05:10] <Burgundavia> ogra, are you serious? I thought it was C
[05:10] <ogra> thats why we cant update it atm
[05:10] <Amaranth> he only uses C++ for mozilla, dunno why he doesn't use gtkmozembed
[05:11] <ogra> i have no idea either
[05:12] <Amaranth> something about fonts
[05:12] <Amaranth> and not getting enough control from C#
[05:15] <ivoks> hm... couple of ogras here :)
[05:16] <ogra> ivoks, only two
[05:17] <ivoks> two make couple :)
[05:17] <ogra> sure... and we love each other, arent we ?
[05:18] <ogra_> indeed :)
[05:19] <ivoks> :)
[05:20] <ivoks> hm... this sounds like case for certain doctors :)
[05:20] <ivoks> multiple persons in one man :)
[05:21] <ogra> as long as we coexist in a friendy manner we dont need a doctor....
[05:21] <ogra_> thats what _you_ think hehe
[05:21] <ogra> quiet now !
[05:21] <ogra_> ok
[05:22] <ivoks> i see you don't have anything better to do :)
[05:22] <ogra> i have... but eve we need breaks sometimes :)
[05:22] <Treenaks> ogra: wow, you cloned yourself ;)
[05:22] <Treenaks> ogra: now you can upload twice as fast!
[05:23] <ogra> Treenaks, yeah... to get more work done :)
[05:23] <Treenaks> (or at least, twice as much packages)
[05:23] <ogra> but he is to shy, he doesnt show the others to us ;)
[05:24] <ivoks> :)
[05:24] <ivoks> i think doko lives in china
[05:24] <ivoks> and has all the free labour
[05:25] <ivoks> :)
[05:25] <Burgundavia> what the heck pacakge is glx.h in?
[05:25] <ivoks> libgl-dev
[05:25] <ogra> Burgundavia, apt-file search glx.h ?
[05:27] <Burgundavia> ogra, love to, but it doesn't like breezy right now
[05:27] <ogra> whoops, oh, yes, its on my todo list... sorry
[05:27] <Burgundavia> np
[05:27] <Burgundavia> I run breezy, I can accept the annoyances
[06:10] <Amaranth> pyxdg 0.11 has hit main, who wants to do smeg? :)
[06:11] <Amaranth> i have a diff.gz, dsc, and orig.tar.gz at http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/0.6.2/
[06:30] <GheRivero> res people
[07:02] <herve> hi!
[07:07] <Nafallo> hi herve! how's life? :-)
[07:07] <herve> fine
[07:08] <herve> and how is going in Nafallo's land? :-)
[07:09] <Nafallo> herve: except irritating parents that think I should seek work on places out of reach? ;-)
[07:10] <herve> a polite way to ask you to leave the familial nest? :-)
[07:10] <Nafallo> herve: naah, already out of there :-). more like stupidity and lack of reading and understanding on their side ;-).
[07:11] <herve> they won't get what your job consists of?
[07:11] <herve> I know that :-)
[07:12] <Nafallo> herve: well, they just want me to survive. they forgot that I have to be at the work or something ;-).
[07:13] <Nafallo> herve: or more likely, they trust my grandfathers words more than me reading the requirments on the companys homepage ;-)
[07:14] <herve> trusting a webpage more than you? ouch! :-)
[07:14] <Nafallo> herve: nope. I trust a webpage more than my grandfather ;-).
[07:15] <Nafallo> herve: I should just ignore that job. I can't even find the address on the map for heavens sake ;-).
[07:16] <herve> speaking of trust... heh
[07:16] <Nafallo> herve: well. you /have/ heard about the web of trust, right? ;-)
[07:17] <Nafallo> herve: maybe this wasn't what it meant though :-P
[07:18] <herve> dholbach showed me a website where you can see the distance between two keys
[07:18] <herve> fun to see there are only 4 people between us, while we never meet
[07:18] <Nafallo> hehe
[07:20] <Nafallo> there should be a package for that somewhere :-)
[07:20] <ivoks> herve: my idol :)
[07:21] <herve> ivols: my... er, fellow brother of maintaining!
[07:21] <Nafallo> herve: keyanalyze. that's the package ;-).
[07:22] <herve> Nafallo, it draws a graph of "dependencies"?
[07:22] <Nafallo> tseng: hiya :-)
[07:22] <herve> well, a graph shortlu
[07:22] <Nafallo> herve: It produces output suitable for placing on a web site showing which keys have signed which other keys.
[07:22] <herve> ivoks and shortly, even
[07:22] <Nafallo> herve: something like that ;-)
[07:23] <herve> soon to be seen, the worldmap of gpg keys!
[07:23] <Nafallo> hehe
[07:24] <ivoks> :)
[07:24] <Nafallo> herve: I should have looked at the recommends instead of the text ;-)
[07:24] <Nafallo> herve: that one should produce graphs indeed ;-).
[07:26] <herve> if you know the coordinates
[07:26] <herve> you could place it on a worldmap
[07:29] <Nafallo> we have to extend the gpg keydata ;-)
[07:32] <Nafallo> hehehe
[07:45] <siretart> ok. i'm off. will be back at 2045. cu at the meeting! :)
[07:45] <tseng|work> meeting?
[07:45] <siretart> TB meeting
[07:45] <tseng|work> oh wow
[07:46] <tseng|work> i thought it was another week
[07:46] <Nafallo> siretart: 40 _YEARS_!? are you kidding me?
[07:46] <siretart> Nafallo: lol. :)
[07:46] <siretart> tseng|work: it's a special review candidates meeting. (and I cannot attend on time :( )
[07:47] <herve> I'm confident
[07:47] <herve> and you're a DD, no?
[07:48] <siretart> herve: I maintain 2 packages in debian. but im no DD
[07:49] <herve> okay, but still
[07:49] <herve> you have a background talking for you
[07:49] <siretart> I hope I make it quicker, but I cannot promise. . woah its late. gotta go. CU
[07:49] <herve> ++
[07:50] <Nafallo> siretart: see you
[08:00] <\sh> re
[08:01] <tseng|work> so the meeting is in 2 hours?
[08:01] <\sh> yepp
[08:06] <tseng|work> hey who was talking about wxWidgets the other day?
[08:06] <tseng|work> 2.6
[08:07] <zul> crimsun wasnt it?
[08:07] <tseng|work> beats me
[08:08] <tseng|work> it looks like the linux waste client needs it
[08:15] <\sh> ogra: last patch + upload cycle for "dar" for you?
[08:15] <\sh> updated patch is in bugzilla
[08:18] <dholbach> hellas!
[08:19] <\sh> hey dholbach
[08:19] <dholbach> hey \sh
[08:19] <ogra> \sh, we should probably wait.... might be that you can upload it yourself tomorrow ;)
[08:20] <\sh> ogra: lazy dog ;)
[08:20] <herve> hi thom
[08:20] <ogra> heh
[08:20] <herve> ogra, did you set an arch repository up for cputmp, yet? ;-)
[08:21] <ogra> nope, not yet.... i was nearly the whole day busy sorting the drama of yesterday
[08:22] <ogra> and my inbox bursts from italian mails....
[08:22] <herve> what drama?
[08:22] <herve> *that* was a drama?
[08:22] <herve> well yes, getting mailbombed is a drama
[08:24] <\sh> italian mails?
[08:25] <ogra> herve, yes, it was, and we both behaved wrong....
[08:26] <herve> not to the point of being attacked
[08:26] <herve> because we asked for a source package?
[08:26] <ogra> herve, i dont get mailbombed, i'm just discussing with thesaltydog and abelli....
[08:27] <ogra> herve, nope because we didnt behave like we should
[08:27] <herve> ha ok, I spoke with abelli in PV yesterday afterwards
[08:27] <dholbach> the atmosphere was not really inviting
[08:29] <herve> there were problems on both sides
[08:29] <ogra> yep
[08:29] <dholbach> yes, it all went unfortunately wrong
[08:29] <dholbach> but we should agree on being as patient as possible
[08:30] <dholbach> and when it's hard, just turn away from the conversation for some minutes :-)
[08:31] <herve> yeah, you could have a pizza burning!
[08:33] <herve> Nafallo, your parents again?
[08:33] <Nafallo> herve: xorg :-P
[08:38] <herve> you mean, you're addicted of daily upgrading as I am? :-)
[08:39] <Nafallo> naah, hourly or less ;-)
[08:39] <\sh> ahhh...arkrpg starting to build for the first time
[08:39] <herve> is there a doctor in the audience? :-)
[08:40] <herve> \sh, the miracle of nature :-)
[08:40] <\sh> herve: the miracle of xorg
[08:40] <herve> hmm... looks like listening to nausicaa's ost is having side effects on me
[08:41] <thom> 19 works alright for me
[08:41] <Nafallo> -17 -18 -19 -20 is borked here ;-)
[08:41] <\sh> we will see
[08:42] <thom> (admittedly i had to fix up some stuff to make it work right, but it does now)
[08:43] <dholbach> thom: but the ctrl-<key>--stuff is still borked for you, isnt it?
[08:43] <thom> dholbach: it's got better since -17, but yes still borken
[08:44] <Nafallo> hmm, my modeline is gone :-P
[08:44] <dholbach> i sent a mail to unfrgiven !5! times, because i wanted to ctrl-c ctrl-v something (and evolution took it for "ok to send this")
[08:44] <Nafallo> hehe
[08:45] <dholbach> ok... i didnt have my first coffee then
[08:45] <herve> Nafallo, modelines? I thought it disappeared with xfree3 !
[08:45] <\sh> argl...xorg is forget it ;)
[08:45] <\sh> the deps are again b0rked
[08:46] <Nafallo> herve: not for my widescreen atleast. everything looks real bad now :-P
[08:46] <herve> someone knows which xorg fedora core will include?
[08:46] <thom> dholbach: hahah, that's pretty cool
[08:46] <herve> or will ubuntu have the most rocking one? :-)
[08:46] <thom> herve: fc4 will have 6.8.2 aiui
[08:47] <dholbach> herve: we will have the most rocking one of course
[08:47] <dholbach> :)
[08:47] <herve> hmm... making me think of something
[08:47] <herve> but this will more probably take place on #u-d
[08:47] <herve> that some folks from fedora team attend #u-b
[08:48] <herve> and the other way round
[08:48] <herve> so we share work, ideas, and code of course
[08:48] <thom> #u-b ?
[08:48] <herve> -devel I mean
[08:48] <thom> *phew*
[08:48] <herve> what is -b?
[08:49] <Nafallo> brb
[08:49] <thom> idunno, you wrote it!
[08:49] <dholbach> thom was already afraid he missed something :-)
[08:49] <herve> ha ok, I wondered what he was relieved about :-)
[08:49] <thom> dholbach: i was terrified of more irc channels ;-)
[08:49] <ogra> thom you dont know #ubuntu-belgianbeer ?
[08:49] <dholbach> haha
[08:49] <herve> ogra, if only...
[08:49] <thom> ;-)
[08:49] <dholbach> #ubuntu-beginners... that one was discussed
[08:49] <ogra> argh
[08:50] <ogra> horrible
[08:50] <thom> ogra: anyway, #u-britishbeer would be far better
[08:50] <herve> hmm... leffe
[08:50] <Nafallo> yay! thinks are back :-)
[08:50] <herve> dholbach, "en terrasse" of course!
[08:50] <dholbach> ogra: you're really close to belgium, aren't you
[08:50] <dholbach> herve: :)
[08:50] <ogra> thom, i'd vote for #ubuntu-VB
[08:50] <dholbach> haha... yes! :-)
[08:50] <ogra> dholbach, yep
[08:50] <thom> ogra: man, you germans have no taste in beer :P
[08:50] <ogra> lol
[08:50] <dholbach> haahahahahaha
[08:51] <dholbach> argl... gtkmm is utterly broken
[08:51] <dholbach> the old old old one
[08:52] <\sh> thom: WHAT?!!?!?!?!
[08:52] <\sh> thom: I drink Guinness
[08:52] <Nafallo> hmm, the channel was really there :-P
[08:52] <ogra> Nafallo, sure.... thats where the secret meetings go on ;)
[08:52] <dholbach> shhh ogra
[08:52] <ogra> heh
[08:53] <tseng|work> oh man i missed the secret
[08:53] <Nafallo> hehe
[08:53] <\sh>  /mode \sh +i
[08:53] <dholbach> ogra ogra ogra...
[08:53] <dholbach> :-)
[08:53] <tseng|work> dholbach: say oliver grawert 3 times fast
[08:53] <lamont> mjpegtools (multiverse) is FTBFS: non-PIC in shared lib (amd64 should fail)
[08:53] <lamont> and ia64, and hppa.
[08:54] <tseng|work> non pic cflags, or non pic assembler?
[08:54] <\sh> thomas anders thomas anders thomas anders ,-)
[08:55] <\sh> hahaha
[08:56] <\sh> when I first saw oliver in our ISH catine, I was wonderin where dieter bohlen is sitting or if he was waiting for nora ;)
[08:56] <tseng|work> german humor...
[08:56] <thom> did they put something in the water in germany today?
[08:56] <ogra> \sh, so you want to become a MOTU today ?
[08:57] <ogra> \sh, who should vouch for you ?
[08:57] <ogra> *g*
[08:57] <herve> me!
[08:57] <herve> :-p
[08:57] <\sh> ogra: well, then u have to upload my patches tomorrow ;)
[08:57] <tseng|work> thom: the wind is coming to strongly from france
[08:57] <ogra> tseng|work, hahahahaha
[08:57] <Nafallo> lol
[08:57] <herve> french, not to be trusted!
[08:57] <thom> tseng|work: *g*
[08:58] <herve> sorry guys, I don't support your war!
[08:58] <\sh> what war?
[08:58] <\sh> oh yes
[08:58] <herve> don't pay attention, french humour!
[08:58] <\sh> i forgot :)
[09:03] <\sh> btw...is there a "ubuntu webapplications" project?
[09:03] <thom> ARGH YOU SAID THE W WORD
[09:03] <jbailey> Thom "Stay away from the W, mofo" May...
[09:05] <tseng|work> \sh: dude you should totally start one
[09:05] <tseng|work> and make installing webapps from .deb not totally f'n random
[09:05] <tseng|work> fix moinmoin first
[09:06] <tseng|work> the install is complete shithouse
[09:06] <Burgundavia> \sh, add koha to your list of apps to package
[09:06] <thom> \sh: you're only allowed to create webapps in ubuntu in lisp. that's the ubuntu webapplications project. rewrite the web in lisp
[09:06] <\sh> *dead*
[09:07] <Nafallo> lol
[09:07] <ivoks> so... now we open champaigne?
[09:07] <ivoks> meeting today? at midnight :)
[09:07] <ogra> thom, what about all the assembler cgi's ?
[09:08] <tseng|work> its in 1 hour
[09:08] <\sh> and I thought I could beat the gentoo guys, with their shitty webapps philosophy
[09:08] <Nafallo> ivoks: then that's tomorrow ;-)
[09:08] <dholbach> tseng: that's the TB meeting
[09:08] <tseng|work> \sh: uh dude, what gentoo has is a ton better than us atm IMO
[09:08] <thom> ogra: only if it's s390 assembler
[09:08] <tseng|work> \sh: its consistant, if nothing else
[09:08] <\sh> tseng: not the webapps...its a pain in da ass
[09:08] <ogra> thom, i nearly lbought one last week
[09:08] <dholbach> thom: why do you want to cause so much pain...
[09:09] <tseng|work> thom: but what about all those people using m68k
[09:09] <thom> dholbach: webapps are always pain. i just wish to ensure that everyone is on an equal footing
[09:09] <Burgundavia> thom, there are probably laws against that sort of thing
[09:09] <ogra> thom, for only 250 , including the maintenance laptop
[09:09] <dholbach> thom: ok... agreed :-)
[09:09] <ogra> thom, but additionally 300 for shipping .... :(
[09:09] <\sh> ogra: s390?
[09:09] <thom> (can you tell i used to be a sysadmin at a web host?)
[09:09] <ogra> yep
[09:09] <\sh> ogra: move towards the airport
[09:10] <thom> ogra: and 1 million dollars for the electricity and cooling and the extension for your house?
[09:10] <dholbach> ogra: get an anhaenger, drive to bielefeld and you're set :-)
[09:10] <herve> webapps? do you need an expert? :-)
[09:10] <\sh> ogra: redhats s390 was in the basement of the redhat office building...and when the metro train wasn't there u could here the s390 ;)
[09:10] <tseng|work> i need someone to make the moinmoin debs not suck
[09:11] <tseng|work> you have to read a few screens full of instructions to use the software post install
[09:11] <\sh> debconf is not difficult
[09:11] <ogra> thom, i probably would have only used the beautiful rack.... my GF wants my 2meter 19" glass cabinet for her tomatos
[09:11] <ivoks> buuuu... i'm all alone un #ubuntu.hr
[09:11] <dholbach> \sh: i saw the extra powersupplies for the otto/karstadt/quelle/... s390s :-)
[09:11] <ogra> ivoks, use a dash, not a dot ;)
[09:11] <ivoks> :)
[09:11] <ivoks> same thing - noone :)
[09:11] <\sh> dholbach: extraordinary :)
[09:12] <ivoks> no, wait, one freek camed :)
[09:12] <herve> now I'm alone on #u-hr :(
[09:12] <dholbach> \sh: they had a ship and a tank engine with some 20000 litres of fuel, and a room full of batteries, that was funny - everything was a buzz
[09:13] <ivoks> #u.hr
[09:14] <ogra> dholbach, visit \sh at ish GmbH and look at their powersupplys.... or better watch a movie on the 20m screen in the NOC ;)
[09:14] <\sh> dholbach: when I was starting with my it carreer...there was one fresh fruit and vegetables whole saler...he went bankrupt because of the ibms mainframe machines...
[09:15] <dholbach> :-/
[09:15] <\sh> hehe
[09:15] <\sh> i have some pics of the NOC :)
[09:15] <\sh> moment
[09:16] <dholbach> ok... who fixes old gtkmm?
[09:16] <ogra> mrogue ?
[09:16] <herve> it took me a week to transition a single package...
[09:16] <dholbach> ogra: unfortunately not
[09:16] <dholbach> ogra: there are some packages still depending on it
[09:17] <ogra> then morgue them too.... who needs them...
[09:17] <ogra> its just software :)
[09:17] <ogra> <--- kidding
[09:17] <herve> yeah, we have plenty of them!
[09:17] <\sh> http://shermann.blogweb.de/uploads/pictures/DSCN0014.jpg
[09:17] <herve> hey! what happened to my <joke> tags!
[09:17] <dholbach> it's all about 0s and 1s... it's silly making such a fuss
[09:18] <\sh> http://shermann.blogweb.de/uploads/pictures/DSCN0037.jpg
[09:18] <herve> \sh, take care with politics here
[09:18] <\sh> herve: politics?
[09:19] <herve> strange...
[09:19] <herve> I see twice your blog
[09:19] <herve> not your photographs
[09:19] <\sh> oh
[09:19] <\sh> security feature
[09:19] <\sh> strange
[09:19] <\sh> new in s9y 8.1
[09:19] <\sh> 0.8.1
[09:19] <\sh> sorry
[09:19] <dholbach> herve: me too
[09:19] <\sh> this is a feature
[09:20] <\sh> a new feature
[09:20] <\sh> hmm...
[09:20] <\sh> moment
[09:20] <dholbach> of course, bugs are never bugs... they're features :-)
[09:20] <herve> there's the salt of using software!
[09:20] <herve> the pepper, would say some morons ;-)
[09:21] <\sh> dholbach: i have to report it :)
[09:22] <dholbach> ha... murrayc will love this, i'll tell him to fix a bug in some code of 2002-04-14 :-)
[09:23] <\sh> coffee time
[09:26] <\sh> ok
[09:26] <\sh> http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/
[09:28] <herve> \sh, so what did you want us to see?
[09:28] <\sh> herve: \sh pictures...
[09:28] <herve> all? :-)
[09:28] <\sh> dholbach should see the NOC :)
[09:29] <\sh> herve: oh well..I don't want you to see my nude pictures ;)
[09:29] <herve> and the screen wall?
[09:29] <herve> alas!
[09:29] <\sh> http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/shermannpics/?g2_navId=x1a83f40f
[09:29] <ivoks> see you in 2.5 hours
[09:29] <ivoks> or is meeting sooner? :)
[09:29] <\sh> ivoks: why don't u attend also for the TB?
[09:29] <ivoks> when is that one?
[09:30] <ogra> 30min
[09:30] <\sh> 8pm UTC
[09:30] <ivoks> 30min...
[09:30] <ivoks> huh...
[09:30] <ivoks> no time for sleep :)
[09:30] <ivoks> i'll come ;0
[09:30] <ivoks> bye
[09:30] <\sh> herve: looks nice the wall...
[09:31] <\sh> sunday we had F1 running on the middle of the screen
[09:32] <\sh> ogra: btw...the first row is now completly full...the voice & hsi techs (henning and thomas) and farid and frank z. are sitting now in front of me
[09:32] <herve> \sh, you're at work?
[09:32] <ogra> oh, they moved down ?
[09:32] <\sh> ogra: george and ian are sitting now next to frank f. and rochus and craig sitting where henning and thomas were
[09:32] <\sh> herve: no
[09:33] <herve> ha, you're just explaining :-)
[09:33] <\sh> ogra: no voice & hsi techs ops
[09:34] <\sh> herve: and if you check the pics of http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/shermann/LUUSA/20050224/?g2_navId=x1a83f40f
[09:34] <\sh> there r also some interessting people on :)
[09:35] <\sh> one php5 book author
[09:35] <\sh> a phpmyadmin/s9y dev
[09:35] <\sh> some freebsd hackers
[09:36] <herve> that's why they look like zombies?
[09:36] <herve> ha no wait
[09:36] <herve> that's the red eyes :)-
[09:36] <\sh> haha :)
[09:37] <\sh> lucky for me, that i secured my dubai and za photos :)
[09:44] <tseng|work> what is s9y
[09:45] <herve> serependity, no?
[09:45] <tseng|work> oh
[09:45] <tseng|work> yes.. blog stuff
[09:45] <herve> some name like that
[09:45] <\sh> yeah...serendipity
[09:45] <\sh> has a relationship to the movie "serendipity"
[09:45] <herve> I was close :-)
[09:46] <\sh> herve: this mistake i did also in the past
[09:46] <\sh> I made ;
[09:46] <\sh> not did
[09:47] <\sh> everytime this english russian romanian german slangish style of writing and speaking..I need to have a nice holiday in the UK
[09:48] <herve> don't tell me...
[09:49] <\sh> the team at my company: scottsman, russian, romanian and me ;)  it's really a nasty slang
[09:49] <\sh> but at least, everybody can understand each other ;)
[09:49] <\sh> new esperanto
[09:49] <herve> that's the essential :-)
[10:26] <tseng|work> garrr
[10:26] <tseng|work> we wasted so much time talking about f'n times i will have to leave any minute
[10:27] <dholbach> tseng|work: <Kamion> \sh: by the time people are coming up for maintainership approval, their contributions ought to be obvious even in absentia
[10:27] <tseng|work> yes
[10:29] <herve> night all
[10:30] <siretart> what happened? no quorum again?
[10:30] <tseng|work> of course not
[10:30] <tseng|work> its TIME
[10:33] <tseng|work> siretart: the quorum is fine this time
[10:33] <siretart> tseng|work: ah, I spotted mdz and keybuk. great :)
[10:34] <tseng|work> oh man..
[10:35] <tseng|work> this is painful
[10:37] <ogra> tseng|work, i tried, sorry
[10:37] <tseng|work> ok my ride is leaving
[10:37] <tseng|work> sorry.
[10:37] <tseng|work> thanks ogra
[10:38] <tseng|work> see you soon
[10:44] <lamont> libdc1394 needs xorg-path love
[10:47] <siretart> \sh: you said you knew how to proceed next, I'm a bit unsure, what did mdz mean earlier with that?
[10:47] <dholbach> do you have gpg keys already?
[10:48] <siretart> yeah, I got mine signed by 2 DDs
[10:48] <dholbach> excellent
[10:48] <dholbach> you will have to send the signed CoC to mako
[10:48] <siretart> ok
[10:48] <dholbach> and then tell elmo wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads
[10:49] <astharot> good evening! :)
[10:49] <dholbach> hey astharot!
[10:49] <dholbach> ROCKing NEW
[10:49] <siretart> hi astharot
[10:49] <dholbach> NEWS
[10:49] <\sh> what about "You will have to send signed mails, stating name, email adress you wish to use and who approved you on which date."
[10:49] <\sh> to whom? elmo?
[10:49] <astharot> (in my country it's evening eheh)
[10:50] <dholbach> \sh: wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads
[10:50] <\sh> dholbach: ok to uploads@ then :)
[10:51] <thom> oh man. we're letting all sorts of rabble upload to main now :P
[10:51] <dholbach> thank you thom
[10:52] <thom> dholbach: *g* congrats :-)
[10:52] <dholbach> :-)
[10:53] <\sh> dholbach: well done dude :)
[10:53] <dholbach> thank you :-)
[10:54] <dholbach> \sh: what about your key?
[10:54] <\sh> so..we will have a lot of beer to drink at ogra's inn :)
[10:54] <\sh> dholbach: is coming ..:)
[10:54] <dholbach> \sh: who signed it?
[10:54] <\sh> I'll need to translate the upload page ;)
[10:54] <\sh> ogra :)
[10:54] <dholbach> astharot: you have a signed key as well?
[10:54] <ogra> :)
[10:54] <astharot> dholbach: yes
[10:54] <dholbach> \sh: ah,... excellent
[10:54] <dholbach> astharot: cool
[10:54] <ivoks> great guys!
[10:55] <ivoks> contgrats to all
[10:55] <astharot> dholbach: I can send you a signed mail... so you can download the public key from a keyserver...
[10:55] <dholbach> hope we'll all see each other and sign keys :-)
[10:55] <siretart> actually, who receives mails to keyring@?
[10:56] <thom> elmo, probably
[10:56] <\sh> what can I send to keyring@?
[10:56] <astharot> dholbach: so tell me what to do :)
[10:56] <dholbach> astharot: send a signed CoC to mako
[10:56] <dholbach> astharot: then kindly read wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads
[10:56] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[10:56] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[10:56] <siretart> \sh: if I read Uploads correctly, thats where we are supposed to send the gpg key.
[10:57] <astharot> dholbach: already sent the CoC to mako
[10:57] <dholbach> rock
[10:57] <dholbach> eben better
[10:57] <astharot> and he confirmed my "membership" :)
[10:58] <siretart> I thought the signed key was required for membership already. I sent it to mako that time but never got response. anyway, will resend
[10:58] <ivoks> i hope one day i'll be like you, guys :)
[10:59] <dholbach> the key is essential for elmo to get it in the keyring
[10:59] <dholbach> ivoks: absolutely
[10:59] <dholbach> ivoks: you're member already?
[10:59] <ivoks> nope
[10:59] <dholbach> ivoks: or will we do that in next meeting?
[10:59] <\sh> dholbach: hes on the list for today
[10:59] <dholbach> ROCK
[10:59] <ivoks> i guess in an hour
[11:00] <\sh> siretart: u read on the http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUOnceYouAreApproved the sentence after "Uploads"?
[11:01] <siretart> \sh: ah, thats the page I was searching for. thanks for the pointer!
[11:01] <ajmitch> ah well, I forgot there was a meeting today
[11:02] <ivoks> :)
[11:02] <ivoks> ajmitch: u missed all the joy and happines
[11:03] <dholbach> briefly: it all went well, VERY well
[11:04] <\sh> I hope i made it right now with this mail ;)
[11:04] <ajmitch> dholbach: in other words, you're aproved for main? ;)
[11:04] <dholbach> elmo and mako will tell you
[11:04] <dholbach> yes, tseng as well, \sh, siretart and astharot are fellow MOTUs
[11:05] <ogra> :-D
[11:05] <siretart> wooohoo! :)
[11:05] <ivoks> ajmitch: < Seveas> ahh, so that's why dholbach is approved for main: fast breakage
[11:05] <ivoks> :)
[11:05] <tritium> dholbach, congratulations!  Now don't forget to write that thesis and graduate ;)
[11:06] <dholbach> ajmitch: your work is ABSOLUTELY good enough for main stuff
[11:06] <ivoks> true
[11:06] <dholbach> tritium: thanks :-))
[11:06] <Nafallo> tritium: he has already graduated to main ;-)
[11:06] <ajmitch> dholbach: nah, I wouldn't want to break main
[11:06] <tritium> Nafallo, indeed
[11:08] <\sh> hmmm..should I send another email to uploads@ i send an email already to this address ;)
[11:08] <tritium> ajmitch, I too feel quite disconnected right now.  :(
[11:08] <dholbach> ajmitch: it's more fun :-)
[11:08] <dholbach> tritium: me too
[11:08] <dholbach> tritium: i just showed up for the meetings
[11:09] <dholbach> they're coming back :-)
[11:10] <ajmitch> so far I've hardly done anything on CXX Transition :(
[11:10] <tritium> dholbach, yes, they will...
[11:11] <ajmitch> ogra: I agree, wiki lists are evil for tracking transitions ;)
[11:11] <dholbach> ajmitch: me not much either
[11:11] <\sh> ajmitch: it's the wrong tool for those things
[11:11] <ajmitch> I always worry that I'm going to slip & break the wiki page when I edit
[11:12] <ogra> i'm just concerned about the huge amount of lost time
[11:12] <\sh> ajmitch: i did it the last time...i I didn't know why.. in the textarea everything looked fine..until I found out, there was a hidden char ;)
[11:13] <dholbach> if you all keep staring at the wiki instead of fixing package ;-p
[11:13] <astharot> dholbach: can I query you? :)
[11:13] <\sh> dholbach: it's a mess to jump between bugzilla and wiki
[11:13] <ogra> yep
[11:13] <ogra> absolutely
[11:13] <dholbach> astharot: fire away
[11:13] <\sh> RT or bugzilla / malone is just enough
[11:14] <dholbach> most guys don't want to use the bugtracker as a transitionhelper
[11:14] <ajmitch> RT sounds like it would work
[11:14] <ajmitch> I know jbailey has set it up before :)
[11:14] <ogra> dholbach, seb128 isnt "most guys" ;)
[11:15] <ogra> ajmitch, yep, tat was the plan after the last MOTU meeting...
[11:15] <ajmitch> ogra: which I also missed :(
[11:15] <ogra> but it will only help infuture transitions
[11:15] <\sh> ajmitch: it's a nice tool...easy to handle, good email handling
[11:15] <jbailey> ajmitch: Eh?
[11:15] <ajmitch> jbailey: haven't you done RT in your dark past?
[11:15] <ogra> jbailey, i think he muddles you with elmo
[11:15] <jbailey> Not so dark past.  I was working on CAnonical's RT install this morning.
[11:15] <ajmitch> aha
[11:16] <jbailey> ogra: Not hard.  We look quite alike.
[11:16] <ajmitch> heh
[11:16] <ogra> jbailey, could it be reached from the outside world ? to help MOTU ?
[11:16] <jbailey> ogra: The accent is also hard to distinguish. =)
[11:16] <\sh> ogra: no
[11:16] <ogra> hehe
[11:16] <jbailey> ogra: Just need elmo's approval on it, but I'd be happy with that.
[11:16] <\sh> ogra: we had this the last time :)
[11:16] <ajmitch> ogra: don't worry, I did know it was jbailey who had worked with RT
[11:16] <ogra> jbailey, ow, great.... if you need help to convince him, ping me
[11:17] <\sh> I was maintainer for RT at lycos ;) after remedy was thrown away ;)
[11:17] <jbailey> ogra: I'm also usually a sysadmin rather than a coder by trade. =)
[11:17] <ogra> jbailey, hmm... i'm still looking for a DBA for the hwdb ;)
[11:18] <ogra> else i have to do it mself :)
[11:18] <ogra> +y
[11:18] <jbailey> ogra: postgresql and I are not friends.
[11:18] <ogra> jbailey, sad.... we dont even know each other.... i saw her once on the other side of the road...
[11:18] <ogra> ;)
[11:19] <jbailey> ogra: She ain't pretty she just looks that way.
[11:19] <ogra> lol
[11:20] <ogra> i once had a little affair with oracle , but i had a DBA i could kick there...
[11:20] <\sh> ogra: u don't have an affair with oracle...u love her or u hate her
[11:21] <ogra> \sh, as long as i had william i didnt have to care much about the relationship ;)
[11:21] <\sh> and a woman who is behaving differently on three men -> I can't cope with her ;)
[11:22] <ogra> heh
[11:23] <\sh> ok..i updated the motu page
[11:23] <\sh> i send an email to keyring with teh data which is needed from https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUOnceYouAreApproved
[11:23] <\sh> I send an email to uploads@ long time ago
[11:23] <\sh> i should be ready
[11:23] <dholbach> uploads@ and keyring@ ?
[11:23] <\sh> coc is signed and mako approved it
[11:24] <dholbach> just ask elmo what happened with you, once he's awake again
[11:24] <\sh> dholbach: uploads@ for email whitelisting
[11:24] <\sh> and keyring@, cause I'm not sure if my gpg key is in ubuntus keyring
[11:24] <ivoks> ah... sweet wories :)
[11:25] <dholbach> \sh: no, not yet, but today you should send it :-)
[11:26] <\sh> dholbach: what to send? I send everything ;)
[11:26] <dholbach> sign it, tell that you were approved and you send a bouquet of flowers, if it all works out :-)
[11:27] <\sh> well, it's late and I'm old :) so I'm excused ;)
[11:27] <ogra> just send your key and mail uploads@
[11:27] <tseng> back
[11:27] <\sh> oh
[11:27] <tseng> is meeting still on?
[11:27] <\sh> ok
[11:27] <ogra> hey tseng
[11:27] <dholbach> welcome to main, tseng !
[11:27] <\sh> tseng: congrats :)
[11:28] <tseng> dholbach: yay!
[11:28] <tseng> thanks all
[11:28] <ogra> hey tseng youre MAINtainer
[11:28] <tseng> since i know you got it too :)
[11:28] <siretart> tseng: congratulations!
[11:28] <ogra> tseng, lets move MONO !!!!!
[11:28] <dholbach> :-)
[11:28] <ajmitch> well done tseng
[11:29] <ivoks> hehey
[11:29] <ivoks> another MAINer in here
[11:29] <ivoks> :)
[11:31] <tseng> ogra: now to get seeding :)
[11:31] <ogra> yep
[11:32] <\sh> ok..mail send to upload@
[11:32] <ajmitch> seems that we're losing all the MOTUs to main
[11:33] <ogra> ajmitch, there are new ones in the queue
[11:33] <dholbach> no.. you're not losing anyone
[11:34] <tseng> ajmitch: half my stuff is staying in universe probably
[11:34] <ogra> dholbach and i are bound to MOTU....
[11:34] <ajmitch> hi Unfrgiven
[11:34] <tseng> Unfrgiven: hiya
[11:34] <dholbach> hey Unfrgiven
[11:35] <Unfrgiven> good morning all
[11:35] <ogra> hey
[11:35] <Unfrgiven> im so pumped.... gonna become an offcial ubuntu member :)
[11:35] <Unfrgiven> hows everyone else?
[11:36] <dholbach> 07:36 at your place, Unfrgiven ?
[11:36] <Unfrgiven> yep :)
[11:36] <ogra> tseng, we'll have to decide what apps go to main, thim proposed to move nearly everything
[11:36] <ogra> thom even
[11:36] <tseng> ok
[11:36] <Unfrgiven> tseng did you become a main uploader?
[11:37] <tseng> Unfrgiven: yes
[11:37] <\sh> I promise I'm listening to the right music now :) Queen - Flash Gordon ;) An opera for heroes for a team of heroes :)
[11:37] <Unfrgiven> tseng: thats awesome! congrats
[11:37] <tseng> Unfrgiven: thanks dude.
[11:37] <tseng> \sh: that song is cool
[11:37] <tseng> FLASH! OOOOO-OH
[11:37] <\sh> tseng: 3GB of Queen mp3s right now and right here in my playlist
[11:37] <Unfrgiven> ok guys, im just going to drop off my wife to work and be right back for the CC meeting.
[11:37] <tseng> k
[11:38] <ajmitch> I hate it when the config.* stuff gets into the debdiff
[11:39] <\sh> hahaha
[11:39] <\sh> so i'm not the only loser ;)
[11:39] <\sh> it cost me 1 1/2 day to find a proper solution ;)
[11:40] <\sh> ajmitch: which package?
[11:41] <ajmitch> \sh: one that I just did a c++ transition on, why?
[11:41] <\sh> ajmitch: i had this problem with "dar" (also cxx trans)
[11:42] <ajmitch> I haven't exactly got a 'proper' solution for it
[11:42] <\sh> btw...u heard about http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GCC4CommonProblems
[11:43] <\sh> ?
[11:45] <ajmitch> and what did you do to fix it?
[11:46] <\sh> well, I copied new config.* in the configuration section of rules
[11:46] <\sh> that helped...after that I had this gettext error on amd64 and ia64 ... and put gettextize and autoreconf in the configure section...
[11:46] <\sh> ajmitch: ask ogra, he was forcing me too :)
[11:47] <\sh> ajmitch: and in "dar"s rules file, he copied the config.* stuff in the clean: target
[11:47] <ivoks> oh, crap :(
[11:47] <ogra> ajmitch, rather change the rules then provide a 1GB patch with config{sub,guess}
[11:48] <ivoks> o erased config. from my patches
[11:48] <ivoks> they are pointless
[11:50] <ajmitch> no, and it doesn't appear to tell me much ;)
[11:53] <ivoks> wrong button? ;)
[11:53] <\sh> ivoks: get a jabber account ;)
[11:54] <ivoks> \sh: ? what for? :)
[11:54] <ivoks> i have it
[11:54] <ajmitch> ivoks: no, freenode issues, of course :)
[11:54] <ivoks> it;s ivoks :)
[11:54] <\sh> ivoks: ivoks@jabber.org ?
[11:54] <ivoks> yes
[11:55] <\sh> ivoks: go online :)
[11:55] <ajmitch> \sh: so did you have a fix for the config.* getting trodden on? :)
[11:55] <\sh> ajmitch: show me the rule file :)
[11:56] <ivoks> there
[11:56] <\sh> ajmitch: send it via jabber or email :) jid: sh@linux-server.org email: sh@sourcecode.de
[11:56] <ajmitch> why do you need to see it? :)
[11:57] <ajmitch> it's fairly standard
[11:57] <ivoks> it copies config.* from /usr/share/misc
[11:57] <\sh> ok...then try to find the config.* changes in the rule file (or patches) remove them (at least in the clean target) and copy them or autoreconf them in the configure target
[11:57] <ivoks> and that's in clean :)
[11:58] <\sh> yeah
[11:58] <\sh> remove it there
[11:58] <\sh> and put them in configure target
[11:58] <ajmitch> sounds evil
[11:58] <ivoks> the main thing is that it's after generating .dsc
[11:59] <\sh> yeah, cause debuild -S / debuild is calling: clean target first
[11:59] <ivoks> well... meeting
[11:59] <\sh> but configure target is not triggered for diff.gz
[12:01] <ogra> http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/