[12:01] time for bed... [12:01] bye all [12:01] <\sh> ivoks: no u go tu #u-m [12:02] <\sh> now;) [12:02] \sh, i'm already doing that... [12:02] ? [12:02] :_ [12:02] <\sh> go to ;) [12:02] \sh, with a bottle of merlot [12:02] <\sh> ogra: argl.. [12:02] \sh: ? [12:02] <\sh> ivoks: u have to go to ubuntu-meeting ;) as u said ;) not to bed;) [12:03] i'm allready there [12:03] noone is talking ::))) [12:03] ivoks: we said, it's tomorrow ;) [12:03] alright guys in that case i'm going to go to work.... no point staying home if the meeting isn't on! :) [12:03] ajmitch: i know [12:03] i'm joking with \sh [12:03] bye Unfrgiven [12:03] <\sh> cu Unfrgiven [12:04] i just had to send my manager an email saying i got the day wrong! :) [12:04] hehe [12:04] poor chap [12:04] indeed... [12:04] cya all later [12:04] <\sh> ubuntu addicted [12:04] welll... bye [12:04] \sh: they dont call it crack for nothing! === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:05] <\sh> Unfrgiven: hmmm [12:07] <\sh> ok.gents..for it's also time to say good night..no mail to my manager, but managing to go to bad :) [12:07] <\sh> "me" is missing [12:07] <\sh> g'night [12:08] sleep tight === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [~herzi@c220060.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bradb [~bradb@modemcable087.14-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:16] is this CXX related? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11123 [01:20] what is the cdbs target to unpack and patch source? === lamont misses the days when makefiles were makefiles, and not twisty mazes of include files [01:49] then why use cdbs? === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Lmnar"] === rtcm [~jman@217.129.142.72] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:25] lamont: apply-patches [02:25] lamont: (assuming that it's simple-patchsys, and not patch and quilt) [02:25] lamont: We really need to unify all of those. [02:26] jbailey: ok. :-) === tritium [~tritium@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tseng [~tseng@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bradb [~bradb@modemcable087.14-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Firetech [~Firetech@h248n2fls302o1100.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:35] hi [04:36] hi === aisipos [~anton@dsl081-081-225.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [~tritium@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:53] hi crimsun [05:53] lo tritium [05:55] How are things? [05:58] not bad, yourself? [05:58] Not bad, thanks. [05:58] great === abarbaccia [~andrew@ool-18b8cf07.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blablablabla [~maniac@p54A3E644.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax8-229.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:59] woo, smeg passes lintian with no errors or warnings [07:00] once pyxdg 0.11 gets into main i'll have to find someone to sponsor it [07:00] it shouldn't be hard to find a willing sponsor [07:02] Amaranth, smeg is very nice, probably nicer than the default gnome one [07:02] Burgundavia: that's the plan :) [07:02] Amaranth, what is it written in? can gnome use it by default? [07:02] python [07:03] what is the status of python in gnome, I am little confused [07:03] i doubt gnome would use it by default, it uses pyxdg instead of the gnome-menus python bindings [07:03] well, the one in GNOME is written in python too... [07:03] ah [07:03] plus mark likes simple simple editor and i don't think he wants to step on any toes [07:04] but smeg is actually simpler as a UI than the gnome one [07:04] so gnome-menu-editor and smeg are going for advanced users and gmenu-simple-edit goes for simple uses [07:04] err, 0.6 looks just like the one in gnome :D [07:05] I think python is encouraged & allowed in GNOME now [07:05] python is the only high-level language that is allowed right now, afaik [07:05] ok [07:06] I suspect ruby may be the next one, which would be nice [07:06] as Java/Mono is tied up to language holywars [07:06] Burgundavia: http://www.realistanew.com/images/smeg/smeg-0.6.png [07:08] hmm, I saw a one-paned menu editor [07:08] was that the old smeg? [07:11] You mean http://www.realistanew.com/images/smeg/smeg-0.5.png ? [07:12] yes [07:12] why did you dump the one pane? [07:12] people seemed to not like it [07:13] hmm, I happen to like the concept, much simpler [07:13] yeah, i think it was more "spatial" [07:13] and cleaner [07:13] but people are really tied to the 2 pane idea [07:14] yeah, plus it makes my life easier having two seperate TreeViews [07:14] as far as coding, i mean [07:14] DnD would have been a PITA with the one pane === thoreauputic_ [~prospero@wolax6-202.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === |zzzzz [~opera@ppp2B95.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [~tritium@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [~tritium@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === DanielN [~KodiaK@162.23.4.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0403.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:51] <\sh> morning === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:53] morning [08:53] ah, time for americas army :) [08:53] there's nothing better then blod, guns and killing in 9AM [09:03] <\sh> hmmm...i think it's a good time to start the day with a cup of coffee === herzi [~herzi@c220060.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hsprang [~henning@c129171.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fwiffo [~fwiffo@dhcpserver0.oersted.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [~gervystar@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.132] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:41] hi all! [10:46] <\sh> ogra:ping [10:49] \sh, pong [10:51] <\sh> ogra: i hope this try will be the last try for dar [10:51] oki... i'll look at it soo, just let me finish my 150 mails.... [10:52] <\sh> ogra: yeah..no hurry. [10:52] <\sh> making some party mood inside the NOC with "wir sind papst" *sing* [10:57] <\sh> strike...diff looks nice [10:58] <\sh> let me grab a cup of coffee and after this i will upload the diff to bugzilla [11:14] <\sh> ogra: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=2496 [11:14] GUYS [11:15] elmo [11:15] <\sh> where? [11:15] PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE triple check your dput.cf/dupload.confs and DON'T UPLOAD ubuntu packages to Debian [11:15] \sh: that means _you_ dude :P [11:15] <\sh> elmo: hmm it's an error of dput [11:15] \sh, lots of ubuntu devs are developing for debian [11:16] ogra: nevertheless, we should fix our dput and dupload to default to ubuntu [11:16] having misplaced uploads for debian by ubuntu folks end up in our queue is a lot less painful than the reverse === ogra goes fixing [11:16] elmo, i'll fix it during the day.... [11:16] thanks [11:17] <\sh> i tried to dput local and didn't have mini-dinstall installed [11:17] <\sh> and I saw "upload packages" [11:17] <\sh> but normally dput should ignore those uploads..cause .dputrc was in my home..strange [11:17] <\sh> sorry [11:17] \sh, on the Uploads wikipage re the tweaks you have to make :) [11:18] <\sh> ogra: that wasn't the issue [11:18] <\sh> [local] [11:18] <\sh> fqdn = localhost [11:18] <\sh> method = local [11:18] <\sh> incoming = /home/shermann/archive/mini-dinstall/incoming [11:18] <\sh> allow_unsigned_uploads = 1 [11:18] btw, the patch looks good now [11:18] <\sh> post_upload_command = mini-dinstall --batch [11:18] <\sh> this is my .dput.cf [11:18] <\sh> but "mini-dinstall" wasn't installed in my chroot of breezy [11:18] <\sh> so i did a dput local and normally it should complain only that mini-dinstall is not installed and do nothing [11:19] <\sh> but I think he took the global config for it [11:19] <\sh> I'm really sorry about it...please tell all the debian devs my appologies [11:19] <\sh> next time the beer goes on my account [11:20] <\sh> ogra: the rules file was quite funny === dahane_ [~dahane@d034139.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:20] \sh, you dont need to apologize to the debian devs, only to te ftp master who has to handle it ;) [11:21] <\sh> ogra: it doesn't matter to whom I have to tell my appologies..it's annonying [11:22] <\sh> ogra: and it's quite bad that I was the one :( [11:22] nah [11:22] <\sh> I'm taking it personally ;) [11:22] youre not the only one [11:26] <\sh> ogra: Now I know what happened..so i can avoid it in the future [11:26] good === MadCoder [~MadCoder@olympe.madism.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:28] <\sh> but it's really strange that it takes the default upload config even if there is a local dput.cf === MadCoder [~MadCoder@olympe.madism.org] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:34] siretart, ping [11:34] Burgundavia: pong [11:35] but I'm having lecture, and gotta leave in 10min [11:35] siretart, regarding londonlaw [11:35] siretart, shall I email you? [11:35] Burgundavia: if you don't mind, that'll be great! [11:35] siretart, np [11:36] Burgundavia: I've read your suggestions on londonlaw-users ;) [11:38] \sh: will you attend the TB meeting this evening? [11:38] <\sh> siretart: yes [11:39] siretart, you also subscribed? saw my flood? [11:39] siretart, sent [11:39] \sh: I want to attend to, but I'm won't make in on time. I will come at about 2030-2045. would you excuse me please? [11:40] Burgundavia: yes. much work for paul :) [11:40] <\sh> siretart: sure np... [11:40] once I get inkscape working, some work for me too [11:41] Burgundavia: I read your email, will comment on both suggestions. (already have thoughts about them) [11:41] cool [11:41] I like causing people work [11:42] \sh: thanks [11:43] siretart, discovered the crownandcutlass FTBFS, he is using hardcoded nvidia only links [11:43] Burgundavia: :( [11:43] there is some discussion about it on their forums, and possible fix, but I didn't play with it [11:43] as SDL is currently done on my machine [11:49] <\sh> ogra: how is the status of gnome-powermanager thingy === chmj [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_ [~ogra@p5089D860.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [~ogra@p5089D860.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dahane_ is now known as dahane === susus [~sz@p5089D860.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:01] <\sh> ogra: I'm a lucky guy [01:01] good for you then ;-P [01:01] ;) [01:02] but why ? [01:02] <\sh> ogra: i will get some furniture on friday for free ;) [01:02] heh... [01:03] <\sh> desk, settees, table, chairs etc. :) [01:04] <\sh> those guys from wds-tech they're renewing their office and everything in there right now, they deliver it to me ;) [01:04] great :) [01:04] hi ogra, \sh [01:06] <\sh> hey ajmitch [01:08] is anybody here using dput ? [01:08] <\sh> yep [01:08] yes [01:08] is there a default host setting like in dupload anywhere ? [01:09] yeah, in the config file [01:09] <\sh> /etc/dput.cf [01:09] i got it open here do i add ubuntu to default_host_main then ? [01:09] yes [01:09] ah, thanks... [01:11] thom, so why dont you like tags ? [01:11] <\sh> what is dput using if u don't give a destination for uploading? in my /etc/dput.cf there is no default_host_main set...does it use then the first host entry? (ftp-master?) [01:11] <\sh> ogra: thats netscapish [01:11] so ? [01:12] ogra: *evil* [01:12] <\sh> ogra: they were hated sind they were invented :) [01:12] <\sh> s/sind/since/ [01:12] and yes, it'll use the first host entry by default [01:12] <\sh> just like from ms [01:12] <\sh> thom: thats the reason why I uploaded accidently to debian :( [01:12] but its nice to have it to see the errors during scrolling [01:13] just make em read; i find blink *really* hard to read [01:13] an i doubt anybody will look at our build logs with IE [01:13] uh, "red" [01:13] they are red already... but i'll add a option to disable it [01:14] as i'll add a option to disable css, since fabbione doest like it :) === thesaltydog [~yoshi@host194-61.pool8023.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:15] <\sh> argl [01:15] thesaltydog, nice that you come back [01:15] <\sh> I just saw dar not compiling on amd64.. i need access to amd64 platform ;) [01:15] ogra, I was just looking for you [01:16] thesaltydog, sorry that i didnt intervene enough yesterday inthe talk with herve... please dont be upset [01:17] ogra, I am not upset. I simply don't want my application anymore in ubuntu.. :-) [01:19] that is unfortunate, why is that? === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0403.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:20] hi ivoks [01:20] hi ajmitch [01:20] 25 kills, 3 KIA [01:20] nice :) === Seveaz [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax6-185.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax6-185.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [~doko___@dsl-084-059-053-209.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:33] <\sh> thesaltydog: which application? [01:34] ogra: dar FTBFS [01:36] <\sh> strike [01:36] <\sh> http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=TROJ%5FPGPCODER%2EA&VSect=P [01:36] <\sh> thats incredible [01:39] \sh: looks rather nasty :) [01:39] <\sh> yeah [01:41] \sh, seen doko ? [01:41] <\sh> but this is really, well, dangerous [01:41] <\sh> ogra: toolchain or devel [01:41] \sh, ogra: dar FTBFS [01:41] <\sh> ogra: on ia64, amd64 and ppc [01:42] \sh, could you look at it ? [01:42] <\sh> sure... === thesaltydog [~yoshi@host194-61.pool8023.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:42] <\sh> 943/build/buildd/dar-2.2.1/src/libdar/.libs/libdar.a(tools.o)(.text+0xf332): [01:42] <\sh> In function `libdar::tools_name_of_gid(unsigned short)': [01:42] <\sh> 944/build/buildd/dar-2.2.1/src/libdar/tools.cpp:412: [01:42] <\sh> warning: Using 'getgrgid' in statically linked applications requires at [01:42] <\sh> runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking [01:42] <\sh> 945/build/buildd/dar-2.2.1/src/libdar/.libs/libdar.a(tools.o)(.text+0xf882): [01:42] <\sh> In function `libdar::tools_name_of_uid(unsigned short)': [01:43] <\sh> 946/build/buildd/dar-2.2.1/src/libdar/tools.cpp:398: [01:43] <\sh> warning: Using 'getpwuid' in statically linked applications requires at [01:43] \sh, hey [01:43] <\sh> runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking [01:43] he can't stop [01:43] <\sh> argl [01:43] obviously [01:43] <\sh> sorry [01:43] <\sh> *grmpf* sometimes i have kde [01:43] <\sh> i hate [01:44] bad \sh [01:44] the above is sad, the latter i can understand ;) [01:44] simple fix, use gnome [01:44] yeah [01:44] <\sh> well...i need access to a chroot on amd64 and ppc ;) [01:44] if I was rich, I'd let you ;) [01:45] since I'm not, I don't have amd64 or ppc [01:52] <\sh> ogra: u have amd64... [01:53] \sh, i have a amd64 that shuts down after about 1min compiling [01:53] heh [01:53] need a bgruuntier fan [01:53] <\sh> hmmm [01:53] <\sh> does sf.net has amd64 at their compile farm? [01:54] i have hairdryer for that, but i've given up to compile on this thing if its avoidable [01:54] <\sh> a [01:54] <\sh> ha [01:54] <\sh> reading readme helps a lot... [01:54] documentation is for whimps [01:54] real men just kick it till it works [01:55] this is why men dont really achieve much in general [01:55] <\sh> ogra: amd64 and static linking? issues? i don't have any exp with amd64 ;) [01:55] \sh, i'll look at it if i find time... [02:00] \sh: I just fixed your account on ravel [02:01] <\sh> Mithrandir: what account? ,-) [02:01] \sh: amd64 account, like the one you asked for the other day. [02:01] <\sh> ah :) didn't read my emails [02:02] <\sh> Mithrandir: thx a lot :) [02:02] you know it's bad when the fstab of a host is 73 lines [02:02] heh [02:02] lol [02:02] how the hell did that haepmn [02:03] chroots and bind mounts [02:04] <\sh> ogra: ok...u fooled me [02:05] me ? [02:05] never ;) [02:05] 11:25 ~% wc -l /etc/fstab [02:05] 55 /etc/fstab [02:05] and that's my desktop [02:05] ugh [02:05] <\sh> thats the reason why they renewed the autotools stuff [02:05] <\sh> i just had a look into gentoo dar ebuild [02:05] <\sh> autoreconf [02:05] <\sh> libtoolize [02:05] <\sh> libtoolize --copy --force || die [02:06] <\sh> # fix build on amd64 [02:06] <\sh> :) [02:06] but it should happen on build time.... not by including the config.{sub,guess} in the diff === chmj [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [02:07] <\sh> ogra: i tried everything to avoid this, but if you copy config.{sub,guess} via runtime, after debdiff there is a change [02:08] <\sh> cause those files are already there. [02:08] <\sh> or I remove it from the diff at all [02:08] <\sh> by hand [02:09] <\sh> what do u think? [02:09] \sh, if they are in the diff, it indicates that you changed it...so make sure you dont change it ;) i.e. if it happens during the clean target, look if you cant move it to the configure target... [02:10] there are too any packages abusing the clean target imho.... poker3d is the worst i've seen so far [02:10] s/any/many/ [02:11] <\sh> ogra: I tried...config.{guess,sub} are in the orig.tar.gz, it doesn't change anything if I copy them via configure target or via clean [02:11] \sh, it should.... because you dont run configure if you make the source package [02:12] ... but clean is run.... [02:14] <\sh> lets try [02:15] <\sh> some advise concerning running autreconf and libtoolize in the configure target? [02:15] not from my side if it doesnt break it :) [02:15] just make sure that "clean:" really only cleans :) [02:16] <\sh> yeah...:) [02:16] <\sh> lets check this version first... [02:19] <\sh> Mithrandir: breezy == amd64 or jbailey-breezy-amd64 ? :) [02:19] \sh: Please don't play with my chroot. =) [02:20] <\sh> jbailey: ok :) this is enough info ;) [02:20] \sh: My chroots tend to have things like really experimental glibc's loaded into them. =) [02:20] \sh: hmm, I think I debootstrapped the wrong arch :/ [02:20] give me a few minutes to fix [02:20] <\sh> Mithrandir: no problem :) [02:21] <\sh> Mithrandir: and if you have time, i need at least these packages as build-deps (if they aren't already on it): zlib1g-dev, libattr1-dev, libbz2-dev, e2fslibs-dev, libssl-dev, autotools-dev [02:24] don't separate them with , :P [02:25] anyhow, installed [02:26] anything else? === uniq [charlie@gw.ipv6.lnix.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:30] Mithrandir, heh, you lazy copy paster.... === Gervystar [~gervystar@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:30] ogra: dude, I'm a sysadmin. Of course I'm lazy. [02:30] <\sh> Mithrandir: thx :) not right now ;) [02:30] hmm, i thought that was a privilege of programmers :) [02:31] ogra: sysadmins are even more lazy than programmers. :) [02:31] hehe [02:31] but, I should be writing my thesis, not mucking around on IRC. [02:31] see you around later. [02:31] <\sh> Mithrandir: ah [02:31] <\sh> dchroot -c breezy -d [02:32] <\sh> dchroot: getpwnam failed for shermann in breezy chroot, aborting. [02:32] fixed [02:32] <\sh> thx :) [02:32] (you want a user in the chroot too? slacker! ;-) === bradb [~bradb@MTL-ppp-146985.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [~tritium@pal-171-072.itap.purdue.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jamessan|work [~jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [~tritium@pal-171-072.itap.purdue.edu] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Danten [~danten@h231n11c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:25] \sh, ping [04:25] siretart, ping [04:25] ogra: lucky, I just wanted to log out ;) [04:25] siretart, you want to get approved today for MOTUness ? [04:26] ogra: I think I could help, so, yes [04:26] why do you ask? [04:26] siretart, then please put yourself on the agenda.... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/TechnicalBoardAgenda [04:26] \sh, the same goes for you ^^^^^^^^^ [04:27] ogra: ah, I thought being on MaintainerCandidates would suffice [04:27] will do, thanks for pointing out! [04:27] nope, you should be on the agenda too... [04:27] on my way home, will do from there. [04:27] cu later [04:29] <\sh> ogra: pong [04:29] <\sh> ogra: I'm on the MaintainerList [04:29] <\sh> isn't it enough? [04:30] \sh, please put yourself on the agenda too [04:30] <\sh> k...at the bottom? [04:31] <\sh> or under astharot? [04:32] wherever you like [04:32] as soon as pyxdg 0.11 gets into main can someone sponsor my smeg package? [04:32] it passed lintian with no warnings or errors [04:33] http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/0.6.2/ wasn't sure what was needed so i uploaded everything [04:35] .dsc diff.gz and orig.tar.gz :) [04:35] all there [04:36] this version supports KDE, it rocks :) [04:36] whatd you do to do that [04:37] do you really want to know? it's ugly [04:37] yes [04:37] <\sh> Amaranth: the gnome people will kiss your feet for this tool ;) [04:37] im still wondering why gnome has its own [04:38] and then theres smeg [04:38] Lathiat: http://rafb.net/paste/results/5e1qhs46.html [04:38] <\sh> they will hail you, they will call u "god" ;) [04:38] gnome didn't have its own when i started [04:38] thats my point. [04:38] mark wants a simple editor for the builtin gnome one [04:38] appearently the plan is to have it come up on right click on the menu and basically only do what it does now [04:38] does he ? [04:38] that's how he made it sound [04:39] <\sh> hmm..gnome 2.10 doesn't have one ;) at least it's not working for the freedesktop specs [04:39] me and manny get to fight for the advanced editor spot [04:39] \sh, nope, but 2.12 [04:39] manny? [04:39] \sh: nope, that's why i wrote this [04:39] christian me [04:39] err, Nesomething [04:39] he wrote one too? [04:39] <\sh> ogra: 2.12 is ready for include? [04:39] gnome-menu-editor in gnome's CVS [04:39] \sh, 2.12 will b in breezy.... [04:40] b b in b reezy [04:40] \sh, i guess right after the CXX and X transitions are done [04:40] \sh: smeg works on hoary too, with a couple of extra packages :) [04:40] <\sh> ogra: u see..I'm not up2date with gnome :( [04:42] Lathiat: Did you look at my KDE theme code? [04:42] Lathiat: Makes me want to puke. [04:42] Amaranth: :) [04:42] Amaranth: i've written worse [04:42] so have i, look at the rest of smeg ;) [04:42] i had this irc server [04:42] that linked into a network [04:42] (the one i was running) [04:42] to detect and nuke floodnets, etc [04:42] and uh, yeh that was rather horrid python [04:42] heh [04:43] my hack for loading debian menu icons is really bad copy and paste crap [04:43] trying to load debian menu icons with my new setup for loading icons was taking 10 seconds [04:44] since the icons don't exist it was searching once in the kde theme, once in the gnome theme, and twice in hicolor [04:44] for each icon [04:44] heh [04:54] <\sh> ogra: now it goes...my try to compile dar on amdt64 ;) [04:54] hope you have the hour it takes to compile it ;) [04:55] <\sh> ogra: just finished ;) [04:55] ah, yes, my build machine is a pIII 900....might be somewhat different [04:56] <\sh> ogra: hehe...but my laptop is glowing just because it's burning :) [04:57] heh [04:58] <\sh> strike [04:58] <\sh> done...dar is compiling on amd64 [04:59] <\sh> so I can go home...and upload later the patch :) [05:00] <\sh> guys...laters :) bus is waiting :) [05:00] not the patch, the packet ;) [05:04] ogra: any ideas on monodevelop for amd64? ;-) [05:05] thom, its working great... :) === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:05] tseng nd i talked about which mono apps should go to main.... [05:05] ogra: ... in breezy? ;-) [05:05] yep [05:06] beagle should be one...and eithe f-spot or monodevelop the second [05:06] f-spot is nice.. if you don't have an existing photo library [05:06] i'd say all three and tomboy too [05:06] categorising an existing library is hell [05:06] (havent tried the 0.7 build yet) [05:06] thom, this many ? [05:06] ogra: sure, why not? [05:06] ogra: if you can get them, why not [05:07] we have to care for all of them in main then... [05:07] i'd rather go with a small amount at the start and raise the number later... [05:07] i don't see the point of having a totally artificial split and those four are imho the core mono apps [05:07] i agree [05:08] but what about blam for example ? [05:08] or muine [05:08] i guess they should stay in universe [05:08] heh, i use both of those [05:08] but having them in universe isn't a problem, most people don't use them [05:08] but we have a music player in the default install...lets avoid redundancys [05:09] blam is a mess [05:09] and muine is dup [05:09] yeah, i agreed with leaving them in universe :) [05:09] and violates the Ubuntu one good app [05:09] Burgundavia: what's wrong with blam? [05:09] its crashy [05:09] Amaranth, a mess internally, c and C# [05:09] like f-spot on amd64 still is :( sadly.... [05:09] 1.8.0 is, hallski says a lot of that is fixed in CVS [05:10] Burgundavia, worse c++ and c# [05:10] ogra, are you serious? I thought it was C [05:10] thats why we cant update it atm [05:10] he only uses C++ for mozilla, dunno why he doesn't use gtkmozembed [05:11] i have no idea either [05:12] something about fonts [05:12] and not getting enough control from C# === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0403.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:15] hm... couple of ogras here :) [05:16] ivoks, only two [05:17] two make couple :) [05:17] sure... and we love each other, arent we ? [05:18] indeed :) [05:19] :) [05:20] hm... this sounds like case for certain doctors :) [05:20] multiple persons in one man :) [05:21] as long as we coexist in a friendy manner we dont need a doctor.... [05:21] thats what _you_ think hehe [05:21] quiet now ! [05:21] ok [05:22] i see you don't have anything better to do :) [05:22] i have... but eve we need breaks sometimes :) [05:22] ogra: wow, you cloned yourself ;) [05:22] ogra: now you can upload twice as fast! [05:23] Treenaks, yeah... to get more work done :) [05:23] (or at least, twice as much packages) === ogra imagines doko being a little army at home.... [05:23] but he is to shy, he doesnt show the others to us ;) [05:24] :) [05:24] i think doko lives in china [05:24] and has all the free labour [05:25] :) [05:25] what the heck pacakge is glx.h in? [05:25] libgl-dev [05:25] Burgundavia, apt-file search glx.h ? [05:27] ogra, love to, but it doesn't like breezy right now [05:27] whoops, oh, yes, its on my todo list... sorry [05:27] np === ogra goes rebuilding apt-file [05:27] I run breezy, I can accept the annoyances === MagnusR [~magru@as1-1-7.t.lk.bonet.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ozamosi [~ozamosi@80.252.185.146] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:10] pyxdg 0.11 has hit main, who wants to do smeg? :) [06:11] i have a diff.gz, dsc, and orig.tar.gz at http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/0.6.2/ === GheRivero [~ghe@hiscpdprx01.upsa.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:30] res people === Lathiat [~lathiat@gasp.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herve [~hcauwelie@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:02] hi! [07:07] hi herve! how's life? :-) [07:07] fine [07:08] and how is going in Nafallo's land? :-) [07:09] herve: except irritating parents that think I should seek work on places out of reach? ;-) [07:10] a polite way to ask you to leave the familial nest? :-) [07:10] herve: naah, already out of there :-). more like stupidity and lack of reading and understanding on their side ;-). [07:11] they won't get what your job consists of? [07:11] I know that :-) === Lathiat [~lathiat@gasp.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:12] herve: well, they just want me to survive. they forgot that I have to be at the work or something ;-). [07:13] herve: or more likely, they trust my grandfathers words more than me reading the requirments on the companys homepage ;-) [07:14] trusting a webpage more than you? ouch! :-) [07:14] herve: nope. I trust a webpage more than my grandfather ;-). [07:15] herve: I should just ignore that job. I can't even find the address on the map for heavens sake ;-). [07:16] speaking of trust... heh [07:16] herve: well. you /have/ heard about the web of trust, right? ;-) [07:17] herve: maybe this wasn't what it meant though :-P [07:18] dholbach showed me a website where you can see the distance between two keys [07:18] fun to see there are only 4 people between us, while we never meet [07:18] hehe [07:20] there should be a package for that somewhere :-) [07:20] herve: my idol :) === tseng|work [~ccc27a01@sls-eb20p9.dca2.superb.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:21] ivols: my... er, fellow brother of maintaining! [07:21] herve: keyanalyze. that's the package ;-). [07:22] Nafallo, it draws a graph of "dependencies"? [07:22] tseng: hiya :-) [07:22] well, a graph shortlu [07:22] herve: It produces output suitable for placing on a web site showing which keys have signed which other keys. [07:22] ivoks and shortly, even [07:22] herve: something like that ;-) [07:23] soon to be seen, the worldmap of gpg keys! [07:23] hehe [07:24] :) [07:24] herve: I should have looked at the recommends instead of the text ;-) [07:24] herve: that one should produce graphs indeed ;-). [07:26] if you know the coordinates [07:26] you could place it on a worldmap [07:29] we have to extend the gpg keydata ;-) === herve looking at where to submit a RFC :-) [07:32] hehehe [07:45] ok. i'm off. will be back at 2045. cu at the meeting! :) [07:45] meeting? [07:45] TB meeting [07:45] oh wow [07:46] i thought it was another week [07:46] siretart: 40 _YEARS_!? are you kidding me? [07:46] Nafallo: lol. :) [07:46] tseng|work: it's a special review candidates meeting. (and I cannot attend on time :( ) [07:47] I'm confident [07:47] and you're a DD, no? [07:48] herve: I maintain 2 packages in debian. but im no DD [07:49] okay, but still [07:49] you have a background talking for you [07:49] I hope I make it quicker, but I cannot promise. . woah its late. gotta go. CU [07:49] ++ [07:50]