[12:00] <mez> do you know what model your soundcard is
[12:00] <DefHandz> Not in the /wine directory
[12:00] <Wanted> Blissex why cant i ask specific pople that i just talked to about other things ?
[12:00] <frereron> mez, sorry, I guess that I lied. There is no reference to my sound card in dmesg.
[12:00] <Blissex> Wanted: because then other people may feel you dont want an answer from them, and the people you ask may feel pressured.
[12:00] <mez> frereron,  do you know what make/model your sound card is?
[12:00] <LinuxJones> Wanted, I have never used 64 bit but maybe someone who has one can be of more help with those questions :)
[12:01] <nalioth> DefHandz: congratulations, it does nothing for my client (whom i've spent 2 days trying to assist) either
[12:01] <Blissex> Wanted: help on IRC is _impersonal_.
[12:01] <Dolciume> How do wehn it saty Hary Hedgehog Linux tty1? Login: Pw:  than Console?? I would to KDE
[12:01] <Wanted> Blissex ok i understand.....Im a newbe here like i said before
[12:01] <beowu1f> any african linuxers out there?
[12:01] <DefHandz> What doesnt?
[12:01] <DefHandz> nalioth
[12:01] <DefHandz> I commented out hoary restricted at the top and the first line
[12:01] <Blissex> Dolciume: type it after logging in. What's happening is that you system starts in text mode instead of GUI mode.
[12:01] <DefHandz> It worked finethen
[12:01] <frereron> mez, Yeah, it's should in the perhips of Gnome: Intel 82801FB... aka i915 chipset
[12:01] <Pupeno> how do I install win32 codecs on ubuntu ?
[12:01] <Blissex> Dolciume: after you log in you can ask it to start the GUI mode explicitly.
[12:02] <nalioth> Wanted: the questions you ask in the channel may benefit more than you and the other person
[12:02] <frereron> mez,  Yeah, It,s shown***
[12:02] <Blissex> Pupeno: do a search for the Marillat repository. It is a FAQ BTW.
[12:02] <Dolciume> http://dolciume.do.ohost.de/text.html that staye there
[12:02] <othernoob> Which video player plays .sub + .idx ?
[12:02] <DefHandz> Heh, when things dont work in Linux..they dont work. But it seems like there is always a solution :P
[12:02] <Blissex> Dolciume: type 'startkde' + ENTER after (Name)@Linux:"$ 
[12:03] <Lord^DS> othernoob,  Mplayer?
[12:03] <DefHandz> Windows there is like...5 options for some problems. THen you're just screwed.
[12:03] <Wanted> nalioth yes i understan....will ask right out in the channel next time
[12:03] <Dolciume> thank you :)
[12:03] <othernoob> Lord^DS mplayer doesn't seem to play them :/
[12:04] <Wanted> LinuxJones but because AMD64 can run an OS in 64 and a 32bit app i think it will be fast anyway
[12:04] <Lord^DS> othernoob, check this : http://manual.xboxmediacenter.de/wakka.php?wakka=VobSub
[12:05] <Wanted> LinuxJones thanx for the help with Boot menu question
[12:05] <WeirdAl> Hello
[12:05] <WeirdAl> How do I stop it from bugging me about loading my photos from the camera every time I plug it in?
[12:06] <othernoob> Lord^DS yea i've seen that before, but when i had mplayer on fc3 it didn't want to play them. i haven't tried it on kubuntu yet though
[12:06] <ogra> WeirdAl, in the Settings dialog for removable devices...
[12:06] <ogra> WeirdAl, remove the check near the camera...
[12:07] <mez> lmao
[12:07] <fazer> Will someone please talk to me?!
[12:07] <fazer> I am a lonely ubuntu user looking for someone to talk to!
[12:07] <n3C> hi
[12:07] <frereron> mez, Yeah, it's shown in the perhips of Gnome: Intel 82801FB... aka i915 chipset
[12:07] <othernoob> fazer: adultfriendfinder.com ? ;)
[12:08] <n3C> i have problem
[12:08] <roben> fazer what is up?
[12:08] <n3C> how to change time in linux?
[12:08] <fazer> othernoob: haha, it costs =(
[12:08] <othernoob> oO :O
[12:08] <nalioth> fazer, just ask an intriguing technical question
[12:08] <fazer> roben: oh hi, nothing much.  Enjoying being windows free for 2 months and counting.
[12:08] <nova> hmm how would i go about changing my applications icon from the gnome foot to another icon ?
[12:08] <tahorg> fazer: emacs & M-x doctor <enter>
[12:08] <fazer> tahorg: does Ubuntu come with emacs installed?
[12:09] <tahorg> apt-get install emacs, if not
[12:09] <tahorg> win 3
[12:09] <mez> wow
[12:09] <nalioth> fazer: Toyota Prius' come with emacs installed
[12:09] <fazer> I have had bad expereinces with emacs.
[12:09] <tahorg> !@$@
[12:09] <mez> emacs...
[12:09] <mez> havent used emacs in soooooo long
[12:09] <fazer> nalioth: ...is that a joke or is that really real?
[12:09] <frereron> lol
[12:09] <nalioth> fazer: you can't get away from emacs
[12:09] <tahorg> please just throw your trolls away
[12:09] <WeirdAl> thanks ogra
[12:09] <ogra> :)
[12:09] <DefHandz> SWEET
[12:09] <DefHandz> WINE WORKED!
[12:09] <lampshade> hahaha he has it backwards, his emacs comes with a Prius
[12:09] <DefHandz> :D
[12:09] <DefHandz> Thanks all who helped :)
[12:09] <nova> lol really real
[12:09] <fazer> hahah
[12:10] <nalioth> lampshade: sorry, not an emacs user, just an observer
[12:10] <n3C> any1 can tell me how to change time in console?
[12:10] <lampshade> date
[12:10] <fazer> ah =] 
[12:10] <wdh> n3C, man date
[12:10] <lampshade> n3C:  You should apt-get install nptdate or some similar package and then it will auto synch to like NASA's clocks
[12:11] <roben> fazer: ok.
[12:11] <mez> no probs DefHandz
[12:11] <nalioth> lampshade: thought during bootup, it synched with ntp.ubuntu.org?
[12:11] <fazer> roben: do you know why my hard drive keeps on working after I have more than 4 apps open?
[12:12] <fazer> roben: that has never happened before with my old hard drive
[12:12] <wdh> nalioth, it does
[12:12] <nova> im gona guess no one knows how to change the applications icon from a foot to another icon or other questions are more important (wich they are heh)
[12:12] <roben> fazer: no idea-
[12:12] <fazer> oh
[12:12] <nova> so when some one who knows has a minute could you /msg me pretty please :)
[12:12] <mez> hey you guys
[12:12] <fazer> nalioth: do you know why my hard drive keeps on working after I
[12:12] <fazer>                have more than 4 apps open?
[12:12] <mez> vross your fingers for me
[12:12] <wdh> fazer, maybe it is short on cache?
[12:12] <mez> I'm rebooting into breezy
[12:12] <mez> lol
[12:12] <bluefoxicy> is there a way to reinstall everything
[12:13] <mez> hopefully it'll be a mere minutes to fix the problems rather than a few hours
[12:13] <fazer> wdh: hmmm, its 20 gb
[12:13] <wdh> bluefoxicy, why would you want to do that?
[12:13] <LinuxJones> fazer, hdparm /dev/hda  ...is dma turned on ?
[12:13] <nalioth> fazer, you need to tell us how much ram you have and your other system specs
[12:13] <lampshade> fazer:  What's your ram and such like?
[12:13] <fazer> my ram is 160 MB ram, running xfce
[12:13] <bluefoxicy> wdh:  I think mine is damaged and I don't know what package is broke
[12:13] <fazer> LinuxJones: good idea, that's the first tihng I did when I noticed this drawback
[12:14] <bluefoxicy> wdh:  same reason I used to emerge -e world in gentoo when shit broke after power crashes or experimental kernels
[12:14] <fazer> and yes, it id
[12:14] <wdh> bluefoxicy, why do you think that then?
[12:14] <LinuxJones> fazer, ok just checking :)
[12:14] <lampshade> I thought the 2.6 kernel came default with dma?
[12:14] <lampshade> DMA and linux confuses me
[12:14] <bluefoxicy> wdh:  because OOo2 crashes if I hit a menu?
[12:14] <LinuxJones> lampshade, it does
[12:14] <bluefoxicy> wdh:  because the system freezes after 20 minutes of not being touched?
[12:14] <lampshade> Then how could it be off ever?  Do you need to turn it on in addition to it being in the kernel?
[12:14] <DefHandz> Bye.
[12:15] <LinuxJones> lampshade, no it's done automatically
[12:15] <bluefoxicy> wdh:  because the X windowing system needed serious repairs?  because X wasn't executable?  because /usr/bin/X11 vanished and gdm demands it and wouldn't start?
[12:15] <wdh> bluefoxicy, thats odd :)
[12:15] <kyches> hola a tod@s
[12:15] <bluefoxicy> wdh:  because reinstalling xorg-common (which supplies /usr/bin/X11) oddly didn't fix it and I had to manually symlink?
[12:15] <bluefoxicy> wdh:  Something is broken, I just don't know what, so I need to reinstall everything.
[12:15] <wdh> i guess some sed/grep construction with 'apt-get install --reinstall' and 'dpkg -l' will work
[12:15] <nova> hmm
[12:16] <LinuxJones> bluefoxicy, that's what backups are for :)
[12:16] <bluefoxicy> wdh:  in gentoo you just 'emerge -e world' :/
[12:16] <bluefoxicy> LinuxJones:  I could just reinstall the system
[12:16] <fazer> mhmm, i am growing fat eating all these bagels
[12:16] <bluefoxicy> LinuxJones:  /home is its own partition (the Ubuntu devs can't figure out why they would want to do this) so I can easily erase / and start over
[12:16] <LinuxJones> bluefoxicy, do you have a spare machine on your network with a gew gigs of free space ?
[12:16] <bluefoxicy> no
[12:17] <fazer> bluefoxicy: wait, what?! /home is its own partition?!
[12:17] <bluefoxicy> fazer:  yes.  /home is its own partition here.
[12:17] <KarlosII> anyone know how to setup ubuntu to remote desktop in??
[12:17] <fazer> bluefoxicy: oh, you made it that way?
[12:17] <bluefoxicy> fazer:  separation of user and system
[12:17] <bluefoxicy> fazer:  yes, it's good practice.
[12:17] <fazer> damn, wish I thught of that
[12:17] <LinuxJones> bluefoxicy, well you should check out mondo it's for backup up your system to cd or dvd drive.
[12:17] <fazer> yes, its a pain backing up all my music and pr0n.
[12:17] <nalioth> KarlosII: sshd and vncd
[12:18] <bluefoxicy> fazer:  I keep telling the ubuntu devs to install with a separate /home, but they tell me it'll confuse the user.
[12:18] <bluefoxicy> so do the gentoo devs
[12:18] <bluefoxicy> (they won't document the suggestion)
[12:18] <wdh> bluefoxicy, thats very nice practice :) how large is your system-partition typically?
[12:18] <bluefoxicy> I think the whole world is dumb as shit.
[12:18] <fazer> bluefoxicy: yeah, it kind of will.  Maybe it shoud be an option in some sort of Advanced installation.
[12:18] <bluefoxicy> wdh: /dev/sda8             5.9G  2.3G  3.6G  39% /
[12:18] <nalioth> bluefoxicy: thats bunk. not having a C:, D: and F: drives confuse the users
[12:18] <fazer> bluefoxicy: that's humans for you.
[12:18] <kyches> alguien habla espaol?
[12:18] <fazer> kyches: yes, I like beef too.
[12:18] <Jet2k5> guys do I need extra packages to compile programs on ubuntu
[12:18] <Jet2k5> ?
[12:18] <nalioth> kyches: nosotros hablamos espanol en #ubuntu-es
[12:18] <Fator_Dee> #ubuntu-es
[12:19] <bluefoxicy> fazer:  The typical recovery could be reinstall if /home wasn't on / by default.
[12:19] <bluefoxicy> it'd be non-destructive
[12:19] <Dolciume> I have following porblem, when linux Kubuntu load than come that Hoary Hedgehdog Linux tty1  Login/PW an than i want type startkde but tahn come that xet=unable to open display  after them over an over kpersonalizer= cannot connect to x server
[12:19] <nova> im trying to install xsensors but am getting a error about no acceptable c compiler found in path
[12:19] <htaccess> hi, i am having an issue with firefox behaviour, when right clicking on an image and selecting 'view image' firefox asks if i wish to save to disk or open with the default app (image viewer), in every other version of ff (on linux mac and windows) i have used it simply displays the image in firefox. I would like to enable the old behaviour. questions: 1 is this an ubuntu specific behaviour, or a new feature of the latest firefox? 2. How can i fix it?
[12:19] <bluefoxicy> (from experience)
[12:19] <bpuccio> bluefoxicy: I just have a small 15GB drive, just one partition, but I back it up over the network in it's entirety so I can restore the entire partition in one swoop, much faster then reinstalling, etc
[12:19] <KarlosII> nalioth, huh
[12:19] <kyches> ok
[12:19] <KarlosII> ??
[12:19] <KarlosII> :)
[12:19] <bluefoxicy> bpuccio:  what about your personal data?
[12:19] <verden01> thanks LinuxJones
[12:20] <bpuccio> bluefoxicy: my home folder is on the / partition, so it goes over the network backup too, I back up the entire partition
[12:20] <nalioth> KarlosII: i recommend a ssh daemon (for secure remote login) and a vnc daemon (to give you that pretty gui goodness)
[12:20] <nalioth> KarlosII: if you don't need the pretty gui, a sshd will be fine
[12:20] <L7> My sound in VLC doesn't work, and it doesn't work in TOTEM either, can anyone help me? ._.
[12:20] <KarlosII> nalioth, what about the built in remote desktop of gnome?
[12:20] <nalioth> KarlosII: that (i believe) is for loggin into OTHER puters)
[12:20] <fazer> L7: Does sound work, period?
[12:21] <Dolciume>  I have following porblem, when linux Kubuntu load than come that Hoary Hedgehdog Linux tty1  Login/PW an than i want type startkde but tahn come that xet=unable to open display  after them over an over kpersonalizer= cannot connect to x server
[12:21] <fazer> L7: like, in Gnome, do you see the volume control?
[12:21] <htaccess> can someone verify the 'view image' behaviour i am getting with the default ff in 5.04?
[12:21] <L7> fazer, it works in amaroK and so on, with mp3s and stuff like that
[12:21] <kop^> someone have a matrox?
[12:21] <DefHandz> Alright, how do I run a program in Wine while being root?
[12:21] <DefHandz> X_X
[12:21] <DefHandz> Wine <program.exe> wont work.
[12:21] <DefHandz> In konsole
[12:21] <bpuccio> bluefoxicy: I do see your point, especially for a server, however, if I backup the entire partition on a weekly+ basis, I don't see any disadvantage to leaving home on /
[12:22] <Shuddertrix> You shouldn't run wine programs as root.
[12:22] <DefHandz> No
[12:22] <DefHandz> er
[12:22] <Shuddertrix> Something to do with security I think
[12:22] <mjr> DefHandz, 1) you need to have Wine configured for root as well 2) don't do it
[12:22] <DefHandz> When im IN the program, it says that I do not have the proper access rights.
[12:22] <DefHandz> Steam
[12:22] <fazer> L7: ah
[12:22] <jaysin_>  can anoyone help me change my screen res? the only choice i have is 640x480
[12:22] <fazer> L7: do you know what you are using? Are you using ALSA or OSSD?
[12:22] <bluefoxicy> jaysin_:  you have to alter /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:22] <L7> fazer, i have no idea :/
[12:23] <htaccess> jaysin_, whats your motherboard?
[12:23] <fazer> L7: hmm, damn, I forgot how we find out.  I have had the same problem.
[12:23] <fazer> L7: use mplayer
[12:23] <jaysin_> ummm
[12:23] <Dolciume> What do when linux Kubuntu load come that Hoary Hedgehdog Linux tty1  Login/PW an than i want type startkde but than come that xet=unable to open display  after them over an over kpersonalizer= cannot connect to x server
[12:23] <jaysin_> htaccess ummm...
[12:23] <fazer> L7: try mplayer instead of VLC, i know it kind of sucks becaise its much more limited but it still works.
[12:23] <htaccess> intel? pr onboard nvidia graphics chip perhaps?
[12:23] <bluefoxicy> Dolciume:  startx
[12:23] <lampshade> jaysin_:  alter xorg.conf  xorgconfig usually makes a basic one for you to use.  Do you have a fancy gfx card that would need ati or nvidia drivers?
[12:23] <Dolciume> bluefoxicy and than?
[12:24] <L7> fazer, ok :/.. I really like VLC but i don't remember how to fix it
[12:24] <shido6> when i type "set" as root I dont see DISPLAY , when I type it as a user I do, wen I try to manually set DISPLAY=:0.0 it doesnt work, what should I do to get root a display
[12:24] <jaysin_> lmapshade, i'm using the onboard one... i had to take my new one out when i installed
[12:24] <jaysin_> htaccess how can i tell which one it is?
[12:24] <bluefoxicy> Dolciume:  that should start X and load kde
[12:24] <bluefoxicy> Dolciume:  don't see why kdm isn't starting though, aside from kde being trash
[12:25] <DefHandz> o_o
[12:25] <jaysin_> crap... afk for a sec
[12:25] <lampshade> jaysin_: Hmmm  anyway of knowing what graphics you have?  Like what they were like on windows?  Or you could just try adding the higher resolutions to the xorg.conf file and seeing if you can do it
[12:26] <fazer> L7: go into preferences of your VLC, under Audio, click the Advanced tab and play without the output sound thing.
[12:26] <fazer> Select ALSA, OSS, ESD and etc...and see if they all work.
[12:27] <htaccess> jaysin_, daniels knows tha answer to your question
[12:28] <L7> fazer, none of them works :/
[12:28] <fazer> L7: hmm, you might to get the various sound plugins installed. For me, to get sound working with VLC was a pain =(
[12:29] <htaccess> jaysin_, i had the same problem, it was due to my motherboard (something to do with the onboard nvidia chipset), daniels gave me the fix, i dont have it in my history sorry, it also affects some intel chipsets too afaik
[12:29] <jaysin_> bak
[12:29] <jaysin_> htaccess lol thanks :P
[12:29] <L7> fazer, ok :/.. i got it working yesterday, but i re-installed my ubuntu today and really can't remember how i did it, someone told me something about typing "pkill esd" but that command doesn't seem to work
[12:30] <fazer> L7: try 'killall esd'
[12:30] <jaysin_> lampshade i've no clue lol... i'm not very computer literate
[12:30] <DefHandz> I get this while trying to run Steam.exe http://pastebin.com/288711
[12:30] <DefHandz> O_o And you're running linux?
[12:30] <DefHandz> I'm sorry to hear that :P
[12:31] <abarbaccia> hey all - im having trouble getting 3d acceleration out of my sis graphics card - i downloaded the driver and replaced the old one but it still seems to not be working
[12:31] <nickrud> jaysin_, grep Default /var/log/Xorg.0.log will tell you what X thinks are available. and is your motherboard video one of those shared memory types?
[12:31] <htaccess> jaysin_, try 'lspci' it will give you some idea
[12:31] <L7> fazer, nothing happens :/
[12:32] <HrdwrBoB> http://www.gamearena.com.au/help/faq/steam.php#2100898 <- DefHandz
[12:32] <DefHandz> Anyone know what is wrong with Wine running this application? http://pastebin.com/288711
[12:32] <DefHandz> Ah
[12:32] <DefHandz> Thanks :P
[12:33] <frereron> hey. my sound is not workking. I do not see the card in dmesg. any ideas?
[12:33] <MonkeyBonkey> hel
[12:33] <MonkeyBonkey> help
[12:33] <MonkeyBonkey> help
[12:33] <nobile> monkeybonkey, ask your question
[12:33] <DefHandz> Thank you HrdwrBoB :D
[12:33] <DefHandz> I shall attempt that.
[12:33] <count0nz> MonkeyBonkey, just ask
[12:33] <nickrud> frereron, lspci first, see if your card is recognized at all
[12:33] <skel_home> so um.. how long does it take ubuntu to get security updates? still have firefox 1.0.2 ...
[12:34] <MonkeyBonkey> Im trying to instal Ice wm , I have it in the spot  /media/KINGSTONDDR/
[12:34] <we2by> how do u start apache?
[12:34] <MonkeyBonkey> so i type sudo /media/KINGSTONDDR/install.sh
[12:34] <MonkeyBonkey> and it says no input file specifified
[12:34] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, why aren't you using the one in ubuntu
[12:34] <skel_home> we2by: if its installed via ubuntu /etc/init.d/apache start
[12:34] <frereron> nickrud, (hey! me=rhys-hynaws lol) yeah it's detected in lspci
[12:34] <MonkeyBonkey> cuz i want Icewm
[12:34] <MonkeyBonkey> the Gnome goes to slow
[12:35] <nickrud> frereron, hi, going incognito eh?
[12:35] <MonkeyBonkey> what did i do wrong
[12:35] <L7> lampshade, WHERE in the xorg should i type my new resolution? can you paste or something?
[12:35] <scott_> you know what I hate? when I delete stuff on my usbflashdisk it puts it in .Trash-username. Then I have to open up a terminal window and delete that directory manually. it's a pain. any workaround?
[12:35] <MonkeyBonkey> sudo sh /media/KINGSTONDDR/install/sh
[12:35] <MonkeyBonkey> sudo sh /media/KINGSTONDDR/install.sh
[12:35] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, it's in universe
[12:35] <MonkeyBonkey> wha
[12:35] <L7> lampshade, WHERE in the xorg should i type my new resolution? can you paste or something?
[12:35] <frereron> nickrud, yes, lol. I try to prented that I am a new n00b every time... so that I will get help from everyone without them thinkning: oh but he already gets so muchhelp. lol
[12:35] <Shuddertrix> uh, why not enable universe and do sudo apt-get install icewm?
[12:36] <MonkeyBonkey> whats universe
[12:36] <nickrud> frereron, what kinda card, you card :)
[12:36] <frereron> lol
[12:36] <skel_home> so anyone on ubuntu and firefox updates?
[12:36] <lotusleaf> scott_, delete it from cli
[12:36] <nalioth> skel_home: its securely updated, just the version wasnt changed
[12:36] <frereron> nickrud, 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)
[12:36] <MonkeyBonkey> hallo
[12:36] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, it's a repository that ubuntu provides which a *lot* of stuff
[12:36] <nickrud> *which has
[12:36] <MonkeyBonkey> well the comp i have ubuntu on has no interent
[12:36] <jaysin_> htaccess... what am i supposed to be looking for in the 'lspci?
[12:36] <skel_home> nalioth: what kind of crap answer is that?
[12:36] <pfp> hmm, did anyone else's fancontrol (from lm-sensors) break during upgrade to hoary?
[12:37] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, you need apt-zip
[12:37] <MonkeyBonkey> wtf
[12:37] <MonkeyBonkey> just tell me what id type to install it
[12:37] <MonkeyBonkey> if its in the folder /media/KINGSTONDDR
[12:37] <nickrud> which is also in universe ;(
[12:37] <nalioth> skel_home: sorry you didnt like it. the devs have patched ff up to 1.0.4, but havent changed the ver in ubuntu
[12:37] <zazeem> anyone familiar with cedega?
[12:37] <skel_home> nalioth: how are people supposed to know if its patched?
[12:37] <Shuddertrix> zazeem, kinda
[12:37] <zazeem> how do i run a game
[12:37] <zazeem> ?
[12:37] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, apt-zip lets you choose ubuntu packages, and leach bandwidth from your friends to get it
[12:38] <lotusleaf> zenrox, #cedega
[12:38] <mez> weirdness
[12:38] <nalioth> skel_home: do you have a ff update waiting when you apt-get?
[12:38] <Shuddertrix> cedega whatever.exe or use point2play, more help from #cedega
[12:38] <lotusleaf> zazeem, #cedega
[12:38] <MonkeyBonkey> just tell me what id type to install it, if its in the folder /media/KINGSTONDDR
[12:38] <Shuddertrix> which I forgot to join..
[12:38] <nickrud> frereron, I saw that don a bit ago, a sec
[12:38] <frereron> ki
[12:38] <mello> i borked GRUB and it won't allow me to boot windows, could someone walk me through fixing it?
[12:38] <htaccess> jaysin_, see anything like 'VGA compatible controller'
[12:38] <skel_home> nalioth: I've tried to apt-get mozilla-firefox several times always telling me its the current version.
[12:38] <skel_home> nalioth: is that what you mean?
[12:38] <MonkeyBonkey>  just tell me what id type to install it, if its in the folder /media/KINGSTONDDR
[12:38] <Kpjas> Hi is /etc/gdm/gdm.conf the right place to change font size for Gnome login screeen ?
[12:39] <htaccess> jaysin_, or lots of mention of one vendor like nVidia or intel?
[12:39] <Dolciume> by boot come that http://dolciume.do.ohost.de/text.html  I type starkde( not got) when i type startx come that etc/x11/xorg.conf Fatal: Module Nvidia not found Faild to load the Nvidia kernel module Fatal server error non screens fond check /yar/log/xorg.0.log, i have a *.bak form xorg.conf can remake it?
[12:39] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, what color is the file when you ls it?
[12:39] <MonkeyBonkey> what
[12:39] <MonkeyBonkey> which file the .sh
[12:39] <nalioth> skel_home: so you are updated
[12:39] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, try ./<filename>
[12:40] <skel_home> nalioth: ...
[12:40] <MonkeyBonkey> so, sudo sh /install.sh
[12:40] <MonkeyBonkey> that didn work
[12:40] <Dolciume> or should install linux new??
[12:40] <MonkeyBonkey> nickrud, give example
[12:40] <skel_home> nalioth: I've been doing that since 1.0.3 and its *NEVER* downloaded a new one.. so how the hell could I be patched to 1.0.4
[12:40] <nalioth> skel_home: go to update.mozilla.org and get "user agent switcher" and change your ver to 1.0.4 if you like (or you can edit the internal config for the same effect0
[12:41] <nalioth> skel_home: to my knowledge, no one here has reported d/l anything past 1.0.2
[12:41] <MonkeyBonkey> NICKRUD
[12:41] <MonkeyBonkey> are u there
[12:41] <Dolciume> by boot come that http://dolciume.do.ohost.de/text.html  I type starkde( not got) when i type startx come that etc/x11/xorg.conf Fatal: Module Nvidia not found Faild to load the Nvidia kernel module Fatal server error non screens fond check /yar/log/xorg.0.log, i have a *.bak form xorg.conf can remake it?
[12:41] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, I did, but ./install.sh
[12:41] <Dolciume> or install linux new?
[12:41] <MonkeyBonkey> k one sec
[12:41] <nalioth> skel_home: i'm just relaying to you what has been being said in here for a few days now
[12:41] <skel_home> nalioth: so then there is no update for it yet.. why go around telling people its patched when you're really clueless?
[12:42] <nalioth> skel_home: i'm not clueless. one of the ops explained it t'other day in here
[12:42] <mello> i borked GRUB and it won't allow me to boot windows, could someone walk me through fixing it?
[12:42] <skel_home> nalioth: I appreciate the effort.. but if I wanted a parrot I'd go buy one.. I need good info.
[12:42] <anto9us> skel_home: it has been patched with security fixes
[12:42] <Tezkah> mello, grub-install?
[12:42] <count0nz> if you don't have backparts you shuld have 1.02 with latest security patches
[12:42] <mello> it'll repair itself?
[12:42] <frereron> mello, broke. lol
[12:42] <MonkeyBonkey> didnt work
[12:42] <nova> any one here running xsensors (please say yes)
[12:43] <skel_home> anto9us: so I'll ask again, if I haven't gotten any new downloads since 1.0.3 came out.. how could I be patched to 1.0.4 ?
[12:43] <MonkeyBonkey> i did sudo sh ./install.sh
[12:43] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, so do ls install.sh, and what color is it?
[12:43] <MonkeyBonkey> what
[12:43] <MonkeyBonkey> color of what
[12:43] <nickrud> frereron, I haven't forgotten, I'm looking
[12:43] <mello> i just need to know what the root is of my windows harddrive
[12:43] <mello> how would i find it
[12:43] <mello> in a terminal?
[12:43] <frereron> nickrud, :)
[12:43] <anto9us> skel_home: because you didn't install from the repositories?
[12:43] <nalioth> skel_home: if you are knowledgable of what a patch is, why don't you patch it yourself?
[12:43] <nickrud> the response on the terminal, if install.sh is in the directory you are working in, ls will list it
[12:44] <MonkeyBonkey> what u mean directory ur working in
[12:44] <MonkeyBonkey> oh
[12:44] <MonkeyBonkey> so i have to bee there
[12:44] <MonkeyBonkey> one sec
[12:44] <skel_home> anto9us: I did...
[12:44] <yacoob_> Hi *.
[12:44] <MonkeyBonkey> ok i did that
[12:45] <yacoob_> Ubuntu finished installing, and now it freezes during boot.
[12:45] <MonkeyBonkey> and it sayed , Install: No file Specififyed
[12:45] <yacoob_> Just after 'Setting up ICE socket directory'
[12:45] <yacoob_> Two lines about apm being overridden by ACPI, and then it freezes.
[12:45] <nickrud> frereron, the only ref I found was that the alsa in ubuntu is too old, look in bugzilla, see if there's a bug listed
[12:45] <toby__> hola
[12:45] <MonkeyBonkey> nickrud it says install: No file specifyed
[12:45] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, it's not an ubuntu package, so I don't know what its doing :)
[12:45] <skel_home> nalioth: thats not the point.. the point is that (according to you)  ubuntu is patching applications to another level without reflecting that the application has been patched to that level.. its not 1.0.2 if its patched.. its 1.0.4  so the version should reflect as such
[12:46] <MonkeyBonkey> ok
[12:46] <frereron> nickrud, checking
[12:46] <MonkeyBonkey> would debian packages work
[12:46] <MonkeyBonkey> i got some debian packages
[12:46] <MonkeyBonkey> would i go dpkg -i /????.deb
[12:46] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, maybe
[12:46] <_kevin> a good program to burn audio cds is mp3burn?
[12:46] <Tezkah> yes, just no slash, unless thats the directory for your deb
[12:46] <Tezkah> but beware
[12:46] <frereron> nickrud, you got my sound to work perfectly before though
[12:46] <Tezkah> some of the packages don't work
[12:46] <MonkeyBonkey> but for sum reason when i type dpkg it says u need superprivleges
[12:46] <nickrud> frereron, this card ;\
[12:47] <Tezkah> MonkeyBonkey, you do need to be root to install programs
[12:47] <Tezkah> "sudo dpkg -i package.deb"
[12:47] <nalioth> skel_home: sorry, i can't squawk anymore on this. ask one of the ops why ubuntu devs name things the way they do
[12:47] <nickrud> doh
[12:47] <frereron> nickrud, Yes.
[12:47] <keeM> hello, can someone help me with install "bluefish" ? =)
[12:47] <skel_home> nalioth: ok well thank you for your time either way.. even if I'm an asshole I do appreciate it =P
[12:47] <nalioth> keeM: "sudo apt-get install bluefish" from a terminal or use synaptic
[12:48] <keeM> oki =)
[12:48] <keeM> nothing more ?
[12:48] <yacoob_> hm.
[12:48] <Quest-Master> Guys, is it me or is Firefox working really weird lately? It hangs on "Loading.." for certain tabs, and as soon as I open the pages again, they load in a second
[12:48] <nalioth> keeM: that should do the trick
[12:48] <nickrud> Anyway, MonkeyBonkey http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/a/apt-zip/apt-zip_0.13.2.tar.gz is what you want
[12:48] <Quest-Master> It is really degrading my web and Ubuntu experience
[12:48] <keeM> ok *try*
[12:48] <yacoob_> I've left it alone, for a bit, after 5 minutes or so, it says that it disables APM and then restes itself.
[12:48] <nickrud> frereron, let me see if I have the log
[12:48] <yacoob_> Any idea why such behaviour takes place?
[12:49] <frereron> nickrud,  ty
[12:49] <nickrud> frereron, yeah, we compiled it :)
[12:49] <nalioth> Quest-Master: i've found ff to be bloated and slow on most platforms
[12:49] <keeM> Media change: please insert the disc labeled
[12:49] <keeM>  'Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)'
[12:49] <keeM> in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter
[12:49] <keeM> what now ? :s
[12:50] <nickrud> frereron, i could send you the log
[12:50] <nalioth> keeM: don't you have your install disk?
[12:50] <keeM> ahhh :P
[12:50] <frereron> nickrud, , that would be helpful
[12:50] <membreya> keeM: take it out of your /etc/apt/sources.list and then do a sudo apt-get update
[12:50] <nalioth> membreya: let's keep things simple
[12:50] <frereron> nickrud, xdcc it or priv
[12:50] <keeM> i need to insert the ubuntu cd ?
[12:50] <membreya> nalioth: ...that is simple :|
[12:50] <membreya> keeM: that's what it says :P
[12:50] <keeM> heheheheeh
[12:50] <keeM> <--- noob :)
[12:50] <nalioth> membreya: for some users, it is ... a little bit complicated
[12:50] <MonkeyBonkey> back
[12:51] <L7> goddamnit, I can't get my sound to work when i wanna watch a video, doesn't depend on the program, i don't know what's wrong. PLEASE anyone, help me.
[12:51] <MonkeyBonkey> got it
[12:51] <MonkeyBonkey> thanks a lot
[12:51] <phillambrechts> Is there a way to search all folders in Evolution Mail?
[12:51] <MonkeyBonkey> !!!!!!!!!! :)
[12:51] <nalioth> keeM: the simplest is to insert the install cd
[12:51] <Dolciume> bei loading Kubuntu> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Linux tty1 > type startx > etc/x11/xorg.conf ... Fatal:Module nvidia not found,(EE) Failed to load the Nvidia Kernel module,Fatal server error:,non screen fond,check /var/lag/xorg.0.log,XIO: fatal IO error 104...and more ....
[12:51] <MonkeyBonkey> Thanks Guys
[12:51] <membreya> L7: ...tried installing the right codecs? and have you tried using VLC?
[12:51] <Dolciume> i have a backup from xorg.conf
[12:51] <nickrud> frereron, it's a bit big to flood
[12:51] <Quest-Master> nalioth: I'm about to destroy something if I don't get this fixed ><
[12:51] <nalioth> keeM: if you wish to not use the cd after this, get with membreya for detailed instructions on what he sais
[12:52] <roben> membreya: what codecs should L7 need?
[12:52] <Dolciume> or should install ubuntu ne :D?
[12:52] <nalioth> Quest-Master: use galeon or epiphany or w3m or whatever instead (kazehakase works well)
[12:52] <keeM> will i need the cd every time i want to use bluefish ?
[12:52] <nickrud> frereron, just how do I send a file in irc, anyway :)
[12:52] <frereron> nickrud, xdcc
[12:52] <nalioth> keeM: no, just to install it
[12:52] <Quest-Master> nalioth: I don't like Galeon or Epiphany.. will try Kazehakase and w3m
[12:52] <L7> membreya, i am trying with VLC and i don't know wich codecs i need.
[12:52] <Dolciume> bei loading Kubuntu> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Linux tty1 > type startx > etc/x11/xorg.conf ... Fatal:Module nvidia not found,(EE) Failed to load the Nvidia Kernel module,Fatal server error:,non screen fond,check /var/lag/xorg.0.log,XIO: fatal IO error 104...and more ....
[12:52] <keeM> ok now it DONE! =)
[12:53] <Dolciume> what do?
[12:53] <jaysin_> sorry guys, comp crashed
[12:53] <keeM> tNx for the help <3
[12:53] <nalioth> Quest-Master: i personally prefer twibright labs links, compiled with graphics and javascript support, over w3m
[12:53] <nalioth> keeM: that instruction works for just about any program you want to install
[12:53] <thechitowncubs> phillambrechts: there is kind of a screwy way to do it, goto search>create virtual folder from search (works, but could be a better way to do it)
[12:54] <keeM> nalioth tnx for the help i had that "problem" earlyer to :P
[12:55] <mez> how do i fix broken packages without synaptic?
[12:55] <yacoob_> Eh.
[12:55] <roben> I can't get my sound to work when I try to watch xvids. Anyone?
[12:55] <Quest-Master> nalioth: what's that?
[12:56] <Dolciume> when install linux new must only make the /root patition new or swap,boot too?? i have windows,too
[12:57] <nalioth> Quest-Master: i googled "twibright labs links" and went there, d/l the source and compiled it with graphics and javascript capabiilitys. i prefer it over w3m
[12:57] <roben> It reacts the same when I try to watch dvd's. No sound. Please, I really don't know what to do.
[12:57] <nalioth> Quest-Master: links is a (unless compiled in) text mode browser
[12:57] <Dolciume> by loading Kubuntu> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Linux tty1 > type startx > etc/x11/xorg.conf ... Fatal:Module nvidia not found,(EE) Failed to load the Nvidia Kernel module,Fatal server error:,non screen fond,check /var/lag/xorg.0.log,XIO: fatal IO error 104...and more .... what do :( install Linux new???
[12:58] <Quest-Master> nalioth: Just read a bit on it. It doesn't seem very standards compliant compared to Gecko..
[12:58] <usynic> Dolciume: modprobe nvidia
[12:58] <nalioth> roben, have you been to ubuntulinux.org/wiki or ubuntuguide.org? there are answers there
[12:58] <Dolciume> and what do than?
[12:59] <roben> ok. thank you.
[12:59] <nalioth> Quest-Master: don't know about standards, but it works great as a text browser (with pix, even)
[12:59] <yacoob_> bah
[12:59] <chrissturm> dolcime: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-i686
[12:59] <yacoob_> no matter how I tell him (pci=noacpi, noapm) it freezes. A feature, not a bug? :)
[12:59] <Quest-Master> Is Kazehakase based on Gecko?
[12:59] <yacoob_> Quest-Master: it is.
[12:59] <toby__> ubuntuguide says i should download package "w32codecs" but ubuntu says couldnt find package
[01:00] <chrissturm> dolcime: if you have a p4 class processor. for amd use k7 instead of i686
[01:00] <mjr> toby__, from marillat
[01:00] <pepsi> hey, breezy is'a broken ;D
[01:00] <usynic> toby__: you need to follow the links at the beginning of the article
[01:00] <usynic> toby__: IE, "adding new repositories"
[01:00] <nalioth> bbl
[01:01] <toby__> i already did that
[01:01] <toby__> i enabled all in the sources.list file
[01:01] <toby__> and updated
[01:01] <usynic> toby__: obviously you didn't.
[01:01] <wdh> does anyone know of a good ftp program that remembers what it was downloading after disconnect/restart and restarts these downloads after that/
[01:02] <lotusleaf> wdh, wget
[01:03] <bradley> has ubuntu repository got php5?
[01:04] <wdh> lotusleaf, i was thinking of something which can be used to browse an ftp site, and select things to be downloaded
[01:04] <lotusleaf> wdh, gwget
[01:05] <wdh> on windows, flashfxp did quite a nice job
[01:05] <anne> hello!  anyone know anything about probing & loading usb ports?
[01:06] <wdh> anne, lsusb?
[01:07] <anne> i will try..
[01:07] <DefHandz> I just realized...I have NO idea how to install things!
[01:07] <DefHandz> Like...Firefox.
[01:07] <DefHandz> Its in a tar.gz
[01:07] <DefHandz> How do I install it?
[01:07] <Tezkah> DefHandz: extract it
[01:07] <anne> says no such file or directory..
[01:07] <DefHandz> Then what?
[01:07] <Tezkah> run the binary intsaller
[01:07] <_simple> k, can anybody use apt-get? at all right now.
[01:07] <DefHandz> O_o
[01:07] <Tezkah> by typing "./firefox-installer"
[01:08] <DefHandz> Ahh
[01:08] <anne> wdh--no such file?
[01:08] <nickrud> DefHandz, you should probably stick with the ubuntu one, it'll make adding java and the like a lot easier
[01:08] <DefHandz> Hm..
[01:08] <wdh> DefHandz, sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox ?
[01:09] <wdh> anne, sudo apt-get install lsusb
[01:09] <wdh> anne, and then retry
[01:09] <amblin_> using hoary on ibm t40 laptop, occasionally on boot as xorg is starting, i get a blank screen, ctl-alt-f* does nothing.  any ideas?
[01:09] <DefHandz> :D WDH, That works :p
[01:09] <DefHandz> Thanky kindly.
[01:09] <_simple> anybody now
[01:09] <DefHandz> Bye again all :P
[01:09] <_simple> like, not just the top half of the room list
[01:09] <_simple> or bottom, anybody.
[01:09] <anne> k...thanks..brb
[01:10] <anne> couldnt find package...
[01:11] <abarbaccia> hey - can someone help me out with where i would put a script to run at startup
[01:11] <nickrud> _simple, yes
[01:11] <wdh> lotusleaf, wget and gwget do not fit the description i gave
[01:12] <_simple> well, for some reason i can't
[01:12] <difeta> Howcome when i connect any sort of storage medium to my computer, the medium does not appear on the desktop? This was working fine before i reinstalled
[01:12] <wdh> anne, then i do not know, i have lsusb installed here
[01:13] <lotusleaf> wdh, then perhaps you might try sourceforge.net, freshmeat.net, or google.com?
[01:13] <nickrud> _simple, does the error message give a clue?
[01:13] <anne> wdh: thanks anyway...i will keep looking....appreciate it a bunch..:)
[01:14] <wdh> lotusleaf, yes, i might. gftp was working quite nicely except for not remembering the queue.. was hoping for some input here. thx anyway
[01:14] <lotusleaf> wdh, yw, anyway. :P
[01:14] <nova> can any one help me with getting xsensors to work
[01:14] <nova> i cant get it installed it errors out when looking for lsenors
[01:14] <nova> when i try to ./configure
[01:15] <poningru> anyone know how to find what bios a motherboard is using?
[01:15] <petroleum> poningru, it not say on bootup?
[01:15] <nova> you can find out during boot
[01:15] <dockane> poningru, or enter your bios setup at power on
[01:15] <nova> should be in lower left hand corner includeing version number and serial number
[01:16] <nova> press pause on your keyboard as your computer boots
[01:16] <nova> if you have a boot splash screen press tab or f2 depending on your bios
[01:17] <nickrud> anne, lsusb is in usbutils, see if you have that installed
[01:18] <nayif> am try to install ati driver for my video card ati Mobility 9200 and i dont find this "linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-368-xorg-driver-fglrx" like i read on the ubuntu forums
[01:18] <Quest-Master> Anyone in here using Kazehakase at the moment?
[01:18] <MonkeyBonkey> help
[01:19] <MonkeyBonkey> Icewm in .deb packages
[01:19] <MonkeyBonkey> does anyone have taht
[01:19] <Tezkah> "apt-get install icewm"
[01:19] <poningru> dockane: it just says a bios number but thats it
[01:19] <MonkeyBonkey> no i dont have internet on that computer with linux
[01:19] <poningru> nothing else
[01:19] <Dolciume> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Linux tty1,type kde(not got),type startx /etc/x11/xorg.conf ..Fatal:Module nvidia not found,(EE) Failed to load the Nvidia Kernel module, type sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-i686 coming E: Invalid Operation Installe
[01:19] <wdh> MonkeyBonkey, check packages.ubuntulinux.org then
[01:20] <wdh> MonkeyBonkey, you can probably download it there
[01:20] <MonkeyBonkey> k
[01:20] <MonkeyBonkey> link to packages plese
[01:20] <ingo> I have this problem with sound here. It works in flash on the browser but not with mplayer or anyother program
[01:21] <Dolciume> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Linux tty1,type kde(not got),type startx /etc/x11/xorg.conf ..Fatal:Module nvidia not found,(EE) Failed to load the Nvidia Kernel module, type sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-i686 coming E: Invalid Operation Installe
[01:21] <wdh> MonkeyBonkey, make that http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[01:21] <poningru> petroleum: it gives a amibios thing
[01:21] <Dolciume> what doo??
[01:21] <petroleum> ?
[01:21] <poningru> but their utility says its a NEC bios
[01:21] <petroleum> oh
[01:21] <nqt> would anyone happen to know offhand which config file handles the cursor theme?
[01:21] <HrdwrBoB> fonsken: ...type sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-i686
[01:21] <nayif> is there a driver for ati mobility 9200 can i install on hoary ?
[01:21] <poningru> when I go to NEC website
[01:21] <HrdwrBoB> er Dolciume
[01:21] <poningru> they tell me to go to the computer manufacturer (packard bell)
[01:21] <nalioth> dang i love rc files
[01:21] <wdh> Dolciume, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and reconfigure it to use 'vesa' drivers temporarily
[01:22] <wdh> if HrdwrBoB
[01:22] <wdh> his option does not work
[01:22] <poningru> which has gone out of buisness and hence wont support american comps
[01:22] <wdh> *glue*
[01:22] <Gabriel> I would like to get preview in nautilus for .3gp files, any idea?
[01:22] <MonkeyBonkey> which one
[01:22] <MonkeyBonkey> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=icewm&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all
[01:22] <poningru> so I am like grr
[01:22] <svmaris> hi
[01:22] <yacoob_> all right, this is strange
[01:22] <petroleum> hmm
[01:22] <petroleum> :(
[01:22] <petroleum> im not very well versed in it
[01:22] <yacoob_> right now I'm booting with init=/bin/sh
[01:22] <wdh> MonkeyBonkey, you'll probably want to download all it's dependencies also
[01:22] <Dolciume> use 'vesa' drivers temporarily??
[01:22] <petroleum> what exactly are you trying to do?
[01:22] <yacoob_> any curses process I run on the console "hangs"
[01:22] <poningru> I am trying to update the bios
[01:22] <petroleum> ahh
[01:23] <poningru> so that I can put ubuntu on there
[01:23] <Blizzard> hey i need help, i cant figure out how to set up internet on ubuntu
[01:23] <yacoob_> but if I get my interface up, and working sshd BEFORE that, I can kill this process.
[01:23] <wdh> Dolciume, they are generic drivers which do not need the nvidia drivers, it'll get your graphics working at least, although not optimised
[01:23] <nalioth> Blizzard: plug in the network cable?
[01:23] <poningru> right now it wont recognize the cd drive
[01:23] <yacoob_> What gives?
[01:23] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, do that search for apt-zip on packages.ubuntu.com, it will help, i'm telling you, I used it to get packages on another computer when I was on dialup
[01:23] <Blizzard> i did plug in the internt
[01:23] <Blizzard> internet*
[01:23] <petroleum> poningru, im afraid i cant help much more than i already have tried.. im not very well versed in it :/ sorry
[01:23] <MonkeyBonkey> how do i download off http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=icewm&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all
[01:23] <nalioth> Blizzard: j/k tell us your hardware and what you've done so far
[01:24] <poningru> ok danke
[01:24] <Dolciume> thx wdh
[01:24] <MonkeyBonkey> nm
[01:24] <petroleum> :D
[01:24] <petroleum> np
[01:24] <wdh> Dolciume, yw, good luck
[01:24] <Blizzard> nalioth: well i havent done much but im really a nub and new to Linux but i pluged in my internet and the green light is on, on the 3-com thing but i cant acess the internet
[01:25] <Blizzard> the green light does not flash tho
[01:25] <goldfish> Blizzard: what card u got?
[01:25] <HrdwrBoB> wdh: much, MUCH better off with nv
[01:25] <nalioth> Blizzard: what type of internet do you have?
[01:25] <Blizzard> let me check
[01:25] <Blizzard> brb
[01:25] <HrdwrBoB> rather than vesa
[01:25] <toby__> do i have to install any packages to enable PCMCIA support on my laptop
[01:26] <MonkeyBonkey> how u do this  * nalioth enjoys being the squawking parrot mouthpiece of the channel  quote thing
[01:26] <HrdwrBoB> nalioth: repeating error messages back to people who didn't read them is my favourite part
[01:26] <wdh> HrdwrBoB, i know, notice the 'temporarily' in my post :)
[01:27] <MonkeyBonkey> :(|)
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> wdh: I just don't think recommending vesa is a good idea unless there's no alternative
[01:27] <Blizzard> all i know is that its a 3-com thing but i also have WI-Fi wich i cant get to work
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> MonkeyBonkey:  /me somethingsomething
[01:27] <MonkeyBonkey> hehehaha
[01:27] <wdh> HrdwrBoB, well, vesa will work most probable i think
[01:28] <nalioth> HrdwrBoB: yes agreed
[01:28] <anne> krdwrbob: i heard you were pretty good at hardware? interested in pointing me in the right direction? please?
[01:28] <Blizzard> nalioth:all i know is that its a 3-com thing but i also have WI-Fi wich i cant get to work
[01:28] <HrdwrBoB> wdh: yes, but if he's trying to use the 'nvidia' driver, fair bet that he'll have an nvidia hard
[01:28] <HrdwrBoB> card
[01:28] <HrdwrBoB> anne: what so you want to know
[01:28] <anne> how do i
[01:28] <HrdwrBoB> *do
[01:28] <wdh> HrdwrBoB, still it does no harm using the vesa driver :)
[01:28] <Blizzard> nalioth what do you say
[01:28] <anne> get a list of usb ports and implement my printer?
[01:28] <nalioth> Blizzard: we need to know the hardware you are running to better help you
[01:29] <HrdwrBoB> anne: lsusb
[01:29] <Blizzard> how do i find that out using ubuntu
[01:29] <HrdwrBoB> printer is sysyem->admin->printing
[01:29] <anne> done that already with thanks to wdh--sorry--doesnt work..
[01:29] <HrdwrBoB> anne: what is your printer?
[01:29] <nalioth> how does Blizzard find out what hardware he has in his network card?
[01:30] <anne> my print mngr is all set--sends the info to the printer--claims its is accepted--then doesnt do anything...
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> lspci will list pci cards
[01:30] <anne> hp officejet v40
[01:30] <Blizzard> is that the command?
[01:30] <nalioth> Blizzard: yes
[01:30] <Blizzard> ok thank you, brb
[01:31] <_kevin> is there a good audio editior for linux or on ubuntu similar to Sony Acid
[01:31] <nalioth> _kevin: tried audacity?
[01:31] <_kevin> nope
[01:31] <_kevin> sudo apt-get audacity?
[01:31] <nalioth> _kevin: don't know what Sony Acid is, but audacity is an audio editor
[01:32] <goldfish> 7yes
[01:32] <nalioth> _kevin: yup
[01:32] <toby__> im trashing ubuntu :/
[01:32] <goldfish> sony acid is gay :)
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> anne: looks like you might need this installed
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/install.php#debian_env+
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/install.php#debian_env
[01:32] <nalioth> _kevin: do you have multi and universe in your sources.list?
[01:32] <_kevin> yep
[01:32] <anne> to the root terminal
[01:32] <_kevin> goldfish are you into audio editing and mixing?
[01:32] <nalioth> _kevin: good, cuz you need lame and other codecs for audacity to work
[01:32] <goldfish> _kevin: yep
[01:33] <_kevin> what do you use?
[01:33] <goldfish> _kevin: sony acid is alright :)
[01:33] <anne> brb...
[01:33] <goldfish> reason is the best
[01:33] <nayif> there 2 options i need to put on xorg.conf after i install xcompos installed where shuld i put this is under Extensions?
[01:33] <k31th> would i be a bad person to buy keiths1337.com
[01:33] <_kevin> reason?
[01:33] <goldfish> _kevin: yep
[01:33] <_kevin> never heard of it
[01:33] <goldfish> _kevin: #1 music software 3~
[01:33] <goldfish> !
[01:33] <_kevin> i only used traktor, acid and soundforge
[01:33] <goldfish> ah right
[01:33] <_kevin> i'm from windows
[01:33] <_kevin> new to linux
[01:34] <goldfish> _kevin: reason is windows and mac
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> anne: run sudo apt-get install lplip
[01:34] <Blizzard> nalioth: i have a ethernet card, Specs:3com Corp. 3c905 100BaseTX
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> anne: run sudo apt-get install hplip
[01:34] <_kevin> ohh
[01:34] <goldfish> _kevin: it's really cool, more for creating your own music, not production
[01:34] <family> any thoughts as to why I can play audio cd's in gnome....but not in KDE?
[01:34] <owen_> Greetings everyone. Trying an install on a HP zv6000 laptop. When I put in the AMD64 install cd, my screen blanks slightly after talking about the framebuffer.
[01:34] <_kevin> well i have a bunch of mp3s and i wanna put em together, add sounds effects, and loops to em
[01:34] <owen_> It then locks up totally.
[01:34] <goldfish> _kevin: aic dis cool if u have home made loops and stuff
[01:34] <nalioth> Blizzard: keep that info handy, some1 will ask in a minim
[01:34] <blueyed> I'm on breezy (the topic was set too late ;). Is there a known fix to get X working again?
[01:35] <Blizzard> ok
[01:35] <Blizzard> thank you
[01:35] <nalioth> HrdwrBoB: any idees on blizzards predicament?
[01:35] <blueyed> I've not dist-upgraded the last days, as that would remove a lot of KDE etc..
[01:35] <goldfish> _kevin: hmmm, try out audacity
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> blueyed: see topic
[01:35] <chrissturm> blueeyed: what problem do you have?
[01:35] <_kevin> does audacity have built in sound effects like flage and noise gate?
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> Blizzard: can you paste the output of dmesg, lspci and ifconfig -a to pastebin.com
[01:35] <blueyed> It just boots to the plain login.. 'which X' is empty.. seems like it's simply missing in the PATH, chrissturm.
[01:35] <_kevin> flange*
[01:36] <nayif> HrdwrBoB, if i try to install this will remove ubuntu-desktop
[01:36] <nickrud> HrdwrBoB, is that hplip good for ubuntu? it's the one think I want I can't have
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> yes X packages were broken badly
[01:36] <nalioth> Blizzard: be patient in here.
[01:36] <goldfish> _kevin: hmm dont think so
[01:36] <_kevin> :(
[01:36] <Blizzard> HrdwrBob: i dont know what that means and i have to walk 50 feet with a broken ankle so if its that hard i give up
[01:36] <goldfish> _kevin: get a mac if u are really serious about music production :)
[01:36] <blueyed> HrdwrBoB: I might just wait until it's fixed. I'm tired anyway..
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> nayif: ubuntu-desktop is a meta package containig all the desktop packages
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> blueyed: good idea :)
[01:36] <chrissturm> blueeyed: ls -l /etc/X11/X
[01:36] <_kevin> not production, just making custom mix cds
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> nayif: it's not essential
[01:37] <HrdwrBoB> chrissturm: no, it's stuffed
[01:37] <Blizzard> HrdwrBob: i dont know what that means and i have to walk 50 feet with a broken ankle so if its that hard i give up
[01:37] <goldfish> _kevin: ah right, there's not alot of linux support for that yet :/
[01:37] <nalioth> Blizzard: HrdwrBoB wants to see if your box recognizes the card for what it is and can do
[01:37] <nalioth> l8r
[01:37] <family> any thoughts as to why I can play audio cd's in gnome....but not in KDE?
[01:37] <_kevin> I buy a bunch of albums and raip em on computer and then take the tracks and put em together to make a mix cds with sound effects and loops and remixes
[01:37] <blueyed> chrissturm: I think it's not done by just linking the X binary, as there are libs etc, too.?
[01:37] <HrdwrBoB> Blizzard: basically you've given us no useful inforation about the problem or your network
[01:38] <Curlydave> hey
[01:38] <Curlydave> i just installed ut2k4 and want to patch it
[01:38] <Blizzard> HrdwrBob: the card works fine when i use Win2k and i dont need to set it up
[01:38] <chrissturm> blueyed: the last 2 problems with x on breezy that i had were wrong font paths in xorg.conf and a wrong link in /etc/X11/X
[01:38] <Curlydave> but the archive extractor's giving me security bullshit again
[01:38] <goldfish> Blizzard: irssi is great :)
[01:38] <goldfish> gah
[01:38] <Curlydave> does anyone know the console (eg sneak past security) command to unzip?
[01:38] <goldfish> blueyed: irssi is great :)
[01:38] <goldfish> Curlydave: unzip ?
[01:38] <nayif> HrdwrBoB, k than what i lose if i remove it for exp ubuntu update mangaer ...
[01:38] <Blizzard> goldfish: irssi is what?
[01:38] <sysrq> an irc client
[01:39] <Blizzard> ok
[01:39] <goldfish> Blizzard: sorry wrong person :)
[01:39] <Curlydave> goldfish, yes
[01:39] <nayif> HrdwrBoB, or nothing ?
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> family: I think KDE tries to play them 'digitally' (ie rip on the fly
[01:39] <blueyed> apt-get irssi, Blizzard .. text-irc cient.
[01:39] <caonex> after installing openssh-server is it suppose to automatically start ssh server?
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> nayif: your packages will still update
[01:39] <Curlydave> when i do it it pulls the no permission garbage again
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> caonex: yes
[01:39] <Blizzard> HrdwrBob: the card works fine when i use Win2k and i dont need to set it up
[01:39] <blueyed> caonex: yes.
[01:39] <goldfish> Curlydave: unzip is the terminal command for unzip......
[01:39] <goldfish> ah eright
[01:39] <Curlydave> say goldfish ohh ty!
[01:39] <family> how do I fix that
[01:39] <gibbie> anyone know of a simple and functional mp3 encoding package for ubuntu?
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> Blizzard: was it plugged in when you booted it up
[01:39] <caonex> HrdwrBoB, thanks,
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> gibbie: lame
[01:39] <nickrud> gibbie, grip
[01:39] <Blizzard> HrdwrBoB: yes it was
[01:39] <nayif> HrdwrBoB, thanks
[01:39] <gibbie> thanks
[01:40] <Curlydave> say goldfish , ehh it's giving me error
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> Blizzard: ok, try running the following:
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> sudo dhclient eth0
[01:40] <goldfish> Curlydave: what error?
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> if that doesn't work
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> run sudo dhclient eth1
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> if that works
[01:40] <Curlydave> Goldfish: it says it's not a zip file
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> (or first)
[01:40] <goldfish> Curlydave: hmmm
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> go to system->administration->network
[01:40] <LazySod> "Couldn't find your OpenSSL library installation dir" where do i find that?
[01:40] <blueyed> ot: Is there a list of hotkey bindings for irssi somewhere?
[01:40] <goldfish> Curlydave: what is the name of the file?
[01:41] <LazySod> openssl library htat is
[01:41] <Curlydave> goldfish,  is there a way to make it stop saying i don't have permission in the first place?
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> and configure the 'ethernet connection'
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> with 'DHCP'
[01:41] <Curlydave> goldfish, ut2004-lnxpatch3355-1.tar.bz2
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> LazySod: apt-get install openssl-dev
[01:41] <Blizzard> HrdwrBoB: ok thanks Peace out
[01:41] <LazySod> thx hrdwrbob
[01:42] <goldfish> Curlydave: yep, sudo before it.....
[01:43] <goldfish> Curlydave: but u need to use bzip i think for .bz2 files....
[01:43] <Curlydave> goldfish, do you know how to do that?
[01:44] <Curlydave> goldfish, i can use that proggy by clickign the archive but it gives me permission nonsense
[01:44] <Curlydave> goldfish, Linux is pissing me off with the whole post 9/11 security nonsense
[01:44] <LazySod> hum, could not find package... HrdwrBoB?
[01:44] <spinifex> hello.  How do I recover from hibernation in ubuntu?
[01:45] <we2by> Curlydave, what command did you run?
[01:45] <we2by> Curlydave, and what are you trying to do?
[01:46] <bradley>  any advice on where to insert the "AddModule mod_php4.c" line to get php4 working?
[01:46] <goldfish> Curlydave: you what?
[01:46] <blueyed> bradley: should be /etc/apache2/conf.d/
[01:46] <goldfish> Curlydave: 9/11 ?
[01:46] <Curlydave> we2by, I'm trying to unzip an archive
[01:46] <goldfish> we2by: unzip a .bz2 file
[01:46] <we2by> Curlydave, what is the file name?
[01:47] <blueyed> but should be installed automatically, bradley.
[01:47] <we2by> Curlydave, it is tar -jxvf filename.bz2
[01:47] <Curlydave> we2by, ut2004-lnxpatch3355-1.tar.bz2
[01:47] <we2by> then you need to run tar -jxvf ut2004-lnxpatch3355-1.tar.bz2
[01:47] <Curlydave> we2by, when i try to unzip it, it pulls the whole "no permission" stuff
[01:47] <Curlydave> k i'll tyr that
[01:47] <we2by> Curlydave, in what directory are you?
[01:47] <we2by> to see this, run pwd
[01:47] <Curlydave> desktop
[01:48] <we2by> give that command a try first
[01:48] <spinifex> hey guys
[01:48] <spinifex> after I hibernate, how do I wake it up again?
[01:48] <Curlydave> we2by, tar: Old option `b' requires an argument.
[01:48] <Curlydave> Try `tar --help' for more information.
[01:48] <bradley> blueyed: i have /etc/apache not apache2 ... /etc/apache/conf.d/ is empty
[01:48] <Curlydave> we2by, is there  a way to just disable this permission thing entirely?
[01:48] <we2by> Curlydave, b?
[01:49] <Curlydave> we2by, im as lost as you are
[01:49] <we2by> did you type -jxvf ?
[01:49] <Curlydave> ohh woops!
[01:49] <spinifex> anyone?
[01:50] <we2by> spinifex, hitting and moving the keyboard maybe?
[01:50] <spinifex> we2by, it didn't work
[01:50] <we2by> hehe, I mean moving the mouse
[01:50] <we2by> press on the power button?
[01:50] <Curlydave> we2by, it did some stuff but no unzipped files now
[01:50] <poningru> guys is there a possibility of having a boot floppy disk and then have that thing turn over the boot process to the cd drive?
[01:50] <spinifex> didn't work either
[01:50] <poningru> the bios wont let me boot from cd for some reason
[01:50] <we2by> Curlydave, do you see a list after you pressed ENTER?
[01:50] <poningru> its pretty old thats probably why
[01:50] <satriani> hi all
[01:51] <petroleum> lo
[01:51] <linuxamoeba21> hey im considering putting hoary on an older box - P2, 350MHz, 128 MB ram... i have RH9 on it now... think it'll work?
[01:51] <Curlydave> we2by, yep!
[01:51] <we2by> Curlydave, so, you just extracted the files
[01:52] <Curlydave> we2by, is there a way to just turn off permissions?
[01:52] <we2by> try to run the command ls
[01:52] <Curlydave> hmm
[01:52] <svmaris> linuxamoeba21, if your satisfied with the speed of RH9, you won't be dissapointed by Ubuntu
[01:52] <we2by> you still got the permission error?
[01:52] <satriani> I have a problem with Gnome mixer: every time I boot in the system, volume is always off: how can I auto-set volume at startup ?
[01:52] <Curlydave> we2by, nah, i just don't knwo where the files are
[01:52] <Curlydave> we2by,  and if i do find them and try to move them, i bet it will pull the same thing again
[01:52] <linuxamoeba21> sweet. i was concerned with it being newer and all, that it might be slower. but i also heard the new kernel is faster
[01:52] <poningru> anyone?
[01:52] <we2by> Curlydave, the files are in the dir where you are when extracting the files
[01:52] <we2by> so it must be on our desktop
[01:53] <we2by> if you don't see it on your desktop, try to right click on your desktop and refresh
[01:53] <Curlydave> tha'ts what i though, but i don't see them
[01:53] <linuxamoeba21> poningru: you set up the boot order in bios?
[01:53] <we2by> or go through your Terminal to ~/Desktop
[01:53] <we2by> and do ls -l
[01:53] <we2by> or ls -al
[01:53] <we2by> Curlydave, cd ~/Desktop will help you
[01:54] <Curlydave> we2by,  hmm the first two produce logs, the last gives a "command not found" error
[01:54] <we2by> cd ~/Desktop    <-- command not found??
[01:55] <clay> cd ~/.Desktop
[01:55] <we2by> mine is ~/Desktop
[01:55] <satriani> does someone know how to fix that problem ?
[01:55] <poningru> linuxamoeba21: thats the thing
[01:55] <linuxamoeba21> mine is ~/Desktop as well
[01:55] <poningru> it wont let me do that
[01:55] <we2by> satriani, ask in #gnome?
[01:56] <poningru> its an old box
[01:56] <satriani> k
[01:56] <poningru> so it doesnt havet that option
[01:56] <linuxamoeba21> poningru: hmm... there may be a way to make a boot floppy. i'll google for it
[01:56] <poningru> oh that would be awesome
[01:57] <poningru> If I could just load grub on there
[01:57] <linuxamoeba21> poningru, this may help: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SmartBootManagerHowto
[01:58] <deuce868> I just installed hoary on a P4 system and I had to set grup to pci=noacpi noirqdebug to get it to boot. Any idea what I'm going to be missing now?
[01:58] <Curlydave> we2by, i found it on the forums, theres this console command that lets you change permissions
[01:59] <poningru> yes thats it thank you so much
[01:59] <we2by> Curlydave, I think you have a permission problem if you ger permission denied
[01:59] <linuxamoeba21> np
[01:59] <poningru> linuxamoeba21: thanks dude
[01:59] <we2by> Curlydave, ls -l ~ | grep Desktop
[01:59] <linuxamoeba21> poningru: no prob. good luck
[01:59] <g14> holycow: ping
[01:59] <Curlydave> we2by, is there a way to make it so you don't have to be root to do shit?
[01:59] <Curlydave> we2by, what's that do
[02:00] <we2by> Curlydave, depends where you want to write to
[02:00] <Curlydave> we2by,  i got it extracted btw using the command
[02:00] <Curlydave> we2by, i mean like anywhere
[02:00] <we2by> Curlydave, ok
[02:00] <Curlydave> bullshit free
[02:00] <Curlydave> i never want to deal with this again as i own my HD
[02:00] <we2by> Curlydave, you don't know what you'r talking about
[02:00] <Curlydave> we2by, that's for the help alot btw
[02:00] <Curlydave> what i'm saying is that in windows, the OS dind't treat me like I didn't own my hd
[02:01] <Curlydave> now i have to enter a password and use the console just to let me wite to my own HD
[02:01] <we2by> imagine you'r browser has some security holes and a website get access, then the ahcker would write to any where in your pc
[02:01] <we2by> that's not good, don't you think?
[02:01] <Curlydave> havn't had that problem yet...
[02:01] <g14> Curlydave: In windows, all kinds of stuff is open waiting for people to break into your computer
[02:01] <Curlydave> still, i'd like the option
[02:01] <Marble2> what the hell is up with my firefox lately
[02:01] <Marble2> laggy as hell
[02:01] <Curlydave> if i want to be "vulnerable" so it lets me use my HD, then do it
[02:01] <fazer> Hello, can anyone tell me why Xorg is taking too much memory?
[02:01] <g14> Curlydave: sudo gedit /etc/sudoers
[02:02] <Marble2> any ideas?
[02:02] <wdh> Curlydave, then go use linspire :)
[02:02] <we2by> Curlydave, believe me, just use it for a month or two and get used to it, you will find Linux a lot better than windows
[02:02] <tallia2> hy guys...
[02:02] <we2by> no crashing thing like in windows or  popup thingys and viruses
[02:02] <fazer> man, this sucks
[02:02] <tallia2> a problem with the x server...
[02:02] <Hackmo|sleep> night all
[02:02] <Curlydave> g14, what is this file?
[02:02] <fazer> with this new hard drive, things are rather worse than good.
[02:02] <g14> Curlydave: Change %admin  ALL=(ALL) ALL to %admin  ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL then you don't have to type a password to use sudo
[02:02] <caonex> once you have install openssh-server and it opens, will it always open? everytime you start the computer
[02:02] <Curlydave> g14, if this works, i love you
[02:03] <g14> Curlydave: I've got something even better if you are too lazy to type sudo all the time
[02:03] <g14> Curlydave: And use the terminal alot (I do)
[02:03] <we2by> hehe yea
[02:03] <tallia2> i've moved my HD from my broken laptop to an older one... and now on reboot time, the x server doesn't start... how i can fix it!?
[02:03] <we2by> just activate your root account
[02:03] <Curlydave> g14 ty
[02:03] <wdh> g14, sudo -s ?
[02:03] <Adyeths> I like having to enter a password. keeps me from doing stupid stuff to mess up my system. heh.
[02:03] <g14> wdh: No root shell
[02:04] <tallia2> Hey guys... i need some help...!!! i've moved my HD from my broken laptop to an older one... and now on reboot time, the x server doesn't start... how i can fix it!?
[02:04] <we2by> g14, what then?
[02:04] <g14> Curlydave: Open up your ~/.bashrc and add alias commands to anything you want to always run as root
[02:04] <marcn> Anyone using iPodder?  I have an older CVS HEAD working on debian/sarge, but tried ipodde v2.0rc3 and have some python library issues.
[02:04] <Curlydave> g14 nice
[02:04] <wdh> tallia2, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:04] <we2by> lmao g14
[02:04] <sebest> what is the difference between apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade  ?
[02:04] <Mez> having problems on reinstall
[02:04] <Mez> freezing at certain points
[02:04] <g14> Curlydave: Example: alias apt-get="sudo /usr/bin/apt-get"
[02:04] <Mez> was trying my hoary CD
[02:04] <we2by> then he has to enter the pass every time he  type in a command
[02:04] <Mez> but well
[02:04] <Mez> that dont work
[02:04] <Mez> nort does my warty one (from shipit)
[02:05] <g14> Curlydave: You need to put the full path of each command and you can figure that out with which. Example: which apt-get
[02:05] <wdh> we2by, not if you use the NOPASSWD option in /etc/sudoers
[02:05] <we2by> damn, not good
[02:05] <we2by> ;)
[02:05] <Curlydave> say g14 ty very much for that info
[02:05] <Curlydave> i gotsta eat dinner now, been nice chatting g14 adn we2by !!
[02:05] <Curlydave> btwq, i love linux
[02:06] <wdh> we2by, no it's not, its unsafe even, but then again, who cares these days :)
[02:06] <we2by> Curlydave, you need an introduction to linux tutorial
[02:06] <we2by> hehe
[02:06] <Curlydave> i just don't like how the security system was designed by the bush administration after 9/11 :(
[02:06] <tallia2> wdh: tnx!! i'll try just now
[02:06] <we2by> Curlydave, fuck bush
[02:06] <we2by> lol
[02:06] <g14> Curlydave: It keeps dumb users from breaking it
[02:06] <we2by> we are in #ubuntu right now
[02:06] <wdh> Curlydave, you'll learn to love it when you arent suffering from any spy/adware/virusses etc etc
[02:06] <g14> we2by: Now please, tell us what you really think of bush. No really, go ahead
[02:07] <Curlydave> we2by, actually i never got spyware since i started with firefox
[02:07] <g14> holycow: ping
[02:07] <Curlydave> dont' use a viruscan etc either
[02:07] <Curlydave> anyhow dinner bye!
[02:07] <wdh> Curlydave, one of the things that makes linux virus-free is it's system for not allowing you to do everything as a user
[02:07] <g14> Curlydave: Well you haven't gotten hit with one of the worms that scans windows. You are lucky
[02:07] <we2by> g14, I don't care much about Bush. the only thing I care is when those damn americans killing people there
[02:07] <we2by> that's it
[02:07] <g14> we2by: If you don't know what your talking about, please dont. I spent a year in Iraq
[02:07] <we2by> g14, Bush sent you there, didn't he?
[02:08] <g14> we2by: Read the last post
[02:08] <we2by> g14, how do  you feel when you kill some one?
[02:08] <g14> we2by: How do you feel when someone uses a unknowing little kid as a claymore mine? How do you feel when they use ambulances as carbombs to kill soldiers?
[02:09] <g14> we2by: How do you feel when they kill young children just because they wave at the soldiers that throw them candy?
[02:09] <we2by> g14,  you'r not supose to be there
[02:09] <we2by> are you?
[02:09] <g14> we2by: If you don't know what your talking about, dont.
[02:09] <wdh> we2by, is it your business?
[02:10] <we2by> g14, how do you feel when you shoot some one
[02:10] <we2by> or see your people bombing them?
[02:10] <anne> hrddwrbob? you still in?
[02:10] <g14> we2by: Who said I am infantry? Maybe I fly remote control spy planes
[02:10] <g14> we2by: Which I do
[02:10] <we2by> why do you spy on them?
[02:10] <wdh> we2by, this is #ubuntu, not #bombiraq or whatever
[02:11] <wdh> we2by, so stop bullshitting
[02:11] <nickrud> g14, lol
[02:11] <g14> we2by: Maybe if you got a security clearance and some secure buildings, I would tell you
[02:11] <we2by> In my opinion with all respect if the USA can have nuclear bombs, so can other countries/?
[02:11] <g14> we2by: Otherwise, too bad :-)
[02:11] <we2by> why the fuck?
[02:11] <we2by> is america the boss above us?
[02:11] <Yvonne> pls take the war talk into another channel guys thx
[02:12] <g14> we2by: And if those other countries sell them to terrorists?
[02:12] <firepol> hi dudes, why when i select a new default resolution anbd i rboot, the resolution is not the one i selected to be by default but still 1280x1024?
[02:12] <wdh> we2by, we dont care about your opinion.. so stfu! this is an UBUNTU SUPPORT CHANNEL!!
[02:12] <we2by> wdh, he asked me for it
[02:12] <nickrud> g14, web2by I came in a bit late, I'm sorry
[02:12] <g14> we2by: Actually, that was sarcasm that you didn't take very well
[02:13] <g14> It's ok
[02:13] <g14> holycow: ping
[02:13] <we2by> g14, I could shoot Bush. lol
[02:13] <we2by> j/k
[02:13] <we2by> <-- not a murder
[02:14] <Burgundavia> we2by, the topic is very very dead, please leave it that way
[02:14] <memut> hello.. any one knows about error 24 in grub in booting ??
[02:14] <wdh> we2by, go try, please, it'll help you spend the rest of your life in jail. And therefore out of this IRC-channel!
[02:14] <wdh> memut, maybe #grub
[02:15] <calc> we2by: the alternative, dick cheney, would be even worse
[02:15] <memut> ok.. i'll try at there #
[02:15] <wdh> calc, dont continue with this discussion, please
[02:15] <alfonso_> What protocol need to use a serial mouse with scroll??
[02:15] <we2by> calc, us politics huh
[02:16] <Ogamer> bonsoir
[02:16] <petroleum> salut
[02:16] <wdh> Ogamer, evening
[02:16] <we2by> calc, I wasn't saying who is good or who is bad
[02:16] <we2by> ;)
[02:16] <Antera> hi
[02:16] <Antera> :)
[02:16] <fazer> god
[02:16] <wdh> we2by, would you shut up please?
[02:16] <fazer> why does Ubuntu hate my hard drive?
[02:16] <wdh> fazer, because its evil :)
[02:16] <petroleum> dw
[02:16] <fazer> indeed
[02:16] <petroleum> if it only hates ur hdd..
[02:17] <petroleum> ur fine..
[02:17] <wdh> fazer, whats your problem?
[02:17] <fazer> but seriously
[02:17] <petroleum> its when it actively seeks to destroy you that you should be worried.
[02:17] <fazer> wdh: I have been using Ubuntu for like 2 months now, I got a new lapotp hard drive (bigger and faster) and when I installed Ubuntu on it, it seems ot be kind of slow when I have more than 2 or three applications.  Like the hard drive keeps busy
[02:17] <we2by> calc, I didn't know him.
[02:18] <we2by> he looks evil
[02:18] <wdh> fazer, do you have DMA enabled?
[02:18] <wdh> we2by, would you shut up please?
[02:18] <xenos> woot
[02:18] <xenos> just got ubuntu to work
[02:18] <we2by> wdh, am I doing something wrong?
[02:18] <wdh> we2by, would you shut up please?
[02:18] <Burgundavia> we2by, this is #ubuntu, not #flame-each-other
[02:18] <wdh> we2by, talking about things that do not belong in an ubuntu channel
[02:18] <Burgundavia> we2by, please keep that in mind
[02:19] <we2by> Burgundavia, yes, ofcourse. but I was not faling any one
[02:19] <we2by> flaming
[02:19] <fazer> wdh: Oh yes.
[02:19] <wdh> we2by, its not #lets_criticise_US_politics either
[02:20] <we2by> wdh, I stopped with my critics
[02:20] <tremblay> Hello, I'm a newbie... but why does it say this? "make: *** No rule to make target `deb'.  Stop."
[02:20] <we2by> I only said I didn't know about dick cheney and now I do
[02:20] <wdh> tremblay, depends on what you were doing :)
[02:20] <nickrud> gedit
[02:20] <we2by> do you call that criticise?
[02:21] <wdh> /ignore we2by
[02:21] <fazer> wdh: I have played a little with hdparm, not sure if that will help me.
[02:21] <tremblay> I tried to switch from a amd64-generic kernel to an amd64-k8 kernel and now I'm trying to recompile ndiswrapper..
[02:21] <tremblay> wdh: ..and when I do make deb, it gives me that.
[02:22] <wdh> fazer, 'sudo hdparm -d /dev/hdX'
[02:22] <tallia2> hy guys...
[02:22] <wdh> tremblay, what howto are you following?
[02:22] <wdh> hi tallia2
[02:22] <tallia2> i need to ask you another thing..
[02:22] <satriani> my userlist disappeared from X-chat: how can I enable it ?
[02:22] <tremblay> wdh: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[02:23] <we2by> satriani, it didn't. it's there
[02:23] <fazer> wdh: doing so now.
[02:23] <tallia2> there's a better way than dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg!?
[02:23] <we2by> satriani, do  you see the bar on your right?
[02:23] <fazer> wdh: alright, thats done.
[02:23] <satriani> we2by, no
[02:23] <fazer> wdh: but DMA was turned on from before though.
[02:23] <satriani> we2by,  yesterday it was there...
[02:24] <we2by> mhhh
[02:24] <satriani> we2by,  today no
[02:24] <we2by> I think it's still there
[02:24] <LazySod> where do i find the openssl.dev package?
[02:24] <tallia2> hey!? i've to configure my x server... but on installation it was easier
[02:24] <satriani> we2by, perhaps it's a resizing problem
[02:24] <satriani> we2by, ?
[02:24] <we2by> saloxin, is the bar on your right a bit thicker?
[02:25] <tremblay> If I have a partition for /root and /home, if I reinstall Ubuntu, it won't format /home, right? (Unless I ask it to do so..)
[02:25] <wdh> tremblay, not sure then, maybe start the whole process over?
[02:25] <wdh> tremblay, correct
[02:25] <tallia2> wdh: ok the server is ok.. but on kde start the window are all scretch
[02:25] <satriani> we2by, ok
[02:25] <satriani> we2by, problem solved
[02:26] <we2by> it was there, isn't it?
[02:26] <tallia2> it takes only 1/4 of the screen...
[02:26] <thechitowncubs> Is there a way i can have my cdrom eject by hitting the button on it?
[02:26] <satriani> we2by, two scrolling bars were on the same place
[02:26] <anto9us> what's a nice size for a /boot partition?
[02:26] <satriani> we2by, yes
[02:26] <we2by> yep
[02:26] <we2by> I knew it
[02:26] <anne> anyone know the address for cups?
[02:26] <wdh> thechitowncubs, not that i know of.. 'eject /dev/hdX' usually works though
[02:26] <thechitowncubs> ya... but i have to execute a sudo eject xxx
[02:27] <wdh> anto9us, for just a boot partition about 50 mb will do
[02:27] <thechitowncubs> so therefore i cant eject with the gui for some reason
[02:27] <wdh> thechitowncubs, maybe you can change the permissions for the drive then
[02:27] <wdh> thechitowncubs, man chmod
[02:27] <tremblay> wdh: What about for a /root partition? 20%?
[02:27] <anto9us> thanks wdh :)
[02:28] <fazer> wdh: okay, i'll brb.
[02:28] <wdh> tremblay, frankly, i do not know. Earlier today i heard about 4 gigs for a /root partition
[02:28] <thechitowncubs> wdh, what would i change it to?
[02:28] <thechitowncubs> I really don't want to read a big chmod doc
[02:29] <wdh> thechitowncubs, no idea, maybe google for 'chmod' and '/dev/cdrom'
[02:31] <marcn> I just got iPodder working under hoary.   Anyone want to give it a try following my instructions?
[02:31] <firepol> hi dudes, why when i select a new default resolution anbd i rboot, the resolution is not the one i selected to be by default but still 1280x1024?
[02:31] <marcn> http://nozell.com/blog/archives/2005/05/23/ipodder-v20rc3-on-ubuntulinux/
[02:31] <wdh> marcn, you are an iPodder evangelist?
[02:31] <blueyed> marcn: perhaps link it into the wiki?
[02:31] <marcn> wdh, i'm a fanboy.
[02:31] <marcn> ;-)
[02:32] <marcn> I really like IT-Conversations and a bunch of other tech related podcasts.
[02:33] <nqt> would anyone happen to know offhand which config file handles the cursor theme?
[02:34] <marcn> hmm, the wiki doesn't mention using python2.3 (python2.4 is the default on my system)
[02:35] <wdh> thechitowncubs, any luck?
[02:35] <nqt> wouldn't it have been more consistent to go with "grumpy groundhog" or something for the next ubuntu name?
[02:35] <nqt> we haven't exhausted the *hog names
[02:36] <metrix> I just installed ubuntu, and right before I got to the update of packages, I cancelled the install and changed my sources.list to hoary instead of warty.. what packages do I need to apt-get to get a base system?
[02:36] <metrix> right now all I have is a prompt!
[02:36] <fazer> Hello, does anyone know where I can find good XMMS skins?
[02:36] <blueyed> metrix: you installed warty, really?
[02:37] <wdh> nqt, maybe :) i heard some rumours about 'grumpy groundhog' being the ubuntu-variant of debian's Sid
[02:37] <nqt> wdh, aww, I thought I was original on that :(
[02:37] <metrix> blueyed: I just installed the base, and then killed the install so I could change the packages
[02:37] <wdh> metrix, ubuntu-desktop
[02:37] <nalioth> metrix: ubuntu-desktop
[02:38] <metrix> wow. I love the support
[02:38] <blueyed> metrix: or kubuntu-desktop.. or both.. :)
[02:38] <metrix> thank you :)
[02:38] <blueyed> metrix: why didn't you get the hoary iso? bandwidth?
[02:39] <wdh> blueyed, would cost one another cd :) no use for that
[02:39] <wdh> the hoary cd's still didnt ship to me, unfortunately
[02:39] <blueyed> wdh: what about CD-RW?
[02:40] <metrix> blueeyed I have the warty one, and I didn't want to spend the time downloading
[02:40] <wdh> blueyed, i always seem to loose those :)
[02:41] <metrix> is the hoary install quite a bit better? if so i'll download those
[02:41] <bgcboyus> I can't My printer to work
[02:41] <jamesio> metrix, it is
[02:42] <metrix> really... like what are the main new features?
[02:42] <bgcboyus> It will scan, it will give the printer status, it will give cartridge status, but will not print
[02:42] <blueyed> metrix: I'd would bet my right hand that Hoary install is better, but have started Linux just with Hoary.. sooo.. :)
[02:42] <metrix> ahh
[02:42] <metrix> ic :)
[02:42] <blueyed> metrix: if it's installed now, it's fine.. just dist-upgrade..
[02:43] <metrix> blueeyed it's dist-upgrading now :)
[02:43] <bgcboyus> Can someone help me with my printer
[02:44] <blueyed> metrix: I've dist-upgraded a Debian woody to Hoary.. my dedicated server..
[02:44] <chrisss> wuts up all?
[02:45] <metrix> LOL debian woody to Hoary? wow I didn't know the distributions were THAT interchangeable
[02:45] <jamesio> blueyed, do you run your server with a desktop?
[02:45] <wdh> metrix, warty isntall is quite good
[02:45] <nalioth> metrix: it doesnt go the other way
[02:45] <wdh> metrix, its not fool-proof i guess :)
[02:46] <blueyed> metrix: it was not thaat easy.. :)
[02:46] <blueyed> jamesio: no.
[02:46] <metrix> ahh ic :)
[02:46] <jamesio> blueyed, strictly console/ssh based?
[02:46] <Razor-X> mmmm
[02:46] <blueyed> jamesio: yes.
[02:46] <Razor-X> what happens if there's a problem during an apt-get upgrade?
[02:47] <Razor-X> do I just run it again, or?
[02:47] <wdh> Razor-X, just run it again
[02:47] <Razor-X> ok
[02:47] <blueyed> jamesio: I'm having some problems with delete key not mapping correctly and thelike, but apart from that it's fine.
[02:47] <wdh> Razor-X, o no, wait
[02:47] <bgcboyus> Can some help me with my printer issue ubder Hoary
[02:47] <wdh> Razor-X, you should slam your head on the desk first :P
[02:47] <jamesio> blueyed, that's interesting.  I think I'll try that on my supposed server machine.  it had win2k for the longest, then freebsd for about 2 weeks... now xp.
[02:47] <Razor-X> wdh: and also, do I kill my Window Manager if some of the libs it uses is being updated?
[02:47] <blueyed> bgcboyus: no, sorry. I would just try the KDE printer utility.
[02:48] <wdh> rosco, no need for that
[02:48] <Razor-X> rosco? ;)
[02:48] <bgcboyus> Ha Ha blueyed
[02:48] <blueyed> jamesio: I'm really satisfied with it.
[02:48] <wdh> s/rosco/Razor-X
[02:48] <jamesio> blueyed, the issue that I have is setting up a lot of hard drives...
[02:48] <Razor-X> well, it seems that kdelibs won't update
[02:49] <wdh> what's the error? paste here if short, else on pastebin.com
[02:49] <Razor-X> I can put the error on pastebin, if you want
[02:49] <Razor-X> yeah, ok
[02:50] <blueyed> jamesio: on my local machine here I've setup LVM.. might be a good option for you?
[02:50] <Razor-X> wdh: http://pastebin.com/288801
[02:51] <tallia2> wdh: ok :) it functions..!
[02:51] <alwaysmodest> any use ppc hoary yet?
[02:51] <wdh> Razor-X, ghehe.. seen that before :)
[02:51] <tallia2> wdh: there's a way to update the sound config too!?
[02:51] <Razor-X> alwaysmodest: lots, I can gather
[02:51] <Razor-X> wdh: heh, what's the problem?
[02:51] <wdh> Razor-X, 'sudo mv /usr/share/icons/default.kde /usr/share/icons/default.kde.old'
[02:51] <wdh> and then retry
[02:52] <Razor-X> mmmm, useless use for cat I see ;)
[02:52] <alwaysmodest> razor-x:well i can't get the iso to burn and boot
[02:52] <alwaysmodest> idk if this is like a common problem
[02:52] <wdh> tallia2, not sure what you want to update exactly :)
[02:53] <wdh> tallia2, what is it you want to do?
[02:53] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: been using it for months
[02:53] <tallia2> the sound server isn't running too
[02:53] <LazySod> how do i install a rpm-package?
[02:53] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: did you torrent it, or direct d/l?
[02:53] <tallia2> there isn't an entry in /dev
[02:53] <alwaysmodest> nalioth: i'm trying to use it on my beige g3 and i burned using toast
[02:53] <alwaysmodest> nalioth: direct download
[02:53] <tallia2> what i've to do?!
[02:54] <wdh> tallia2, no idea, wait for some input from other people here
[02:54] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: did the md5 check out?
[02:54] <wdh> i'll go to bed now..
[02:54] <Razor-X> wdh: i'm assuming I just move back the file after i'm done?
[02:54] <wdh> it's nearly 3 a.m.
[02:54] <tallia2> eheh here in italy is 2:52 im...
[02:54] <tallia2> AM
[02:54] <AndyFitz> how does one  dist-downgrade ?
[02:54] <AndyFitz>  :-P
[02:54] <alwaysmodest> nalioth: i didn't check that i didn't think to i got it straight from the ubuntu dl
[02:54] <wdh> Razor-X, dont think so.. i guess there'll be a replacement by the new package
[02:55] <tallia2> it's quite late... :) ... tnx again anyway...!!
[02:55] <tallia2> bye!!
[02:55] <wdh> Razor-X, but i dont think it would hurt
[02:55] <Razor-X> wdh: hmmm, didn't work
[02:55] <alwaysmodest> nalioth: i'll check that real quick
[02:56] <wdh> Razor-X, it didnt? what is the error now?
[02:56] <wdh> same?
[02:56] <wdh> or a new file that cant be replaced?
[02:56] <Razor-X> yeah, same
[02:56] <wdh> Razor-X, you might try apt with the --force-overwrite option
[02:56] <Razor-X> ok
[02:57] <wdh> Razor-X, uhm.. lemme check for a correct option
[02:57] <Razor-X> it's not understood
[02:57] <Razor-X> --force-overwrite I mean
[02:58] <wdh> i know :)
[02:58] <Razor-X> hehe, mmkay
[02:58] <kane> anyone know how to get usb working
[02:58] <wdh> guess i made it up.. lemme see what it was :)
[02:58] <Quest-Master> kane: should work automatically
[02:58] <alwaysmodest> nalioth: i can't check it because disk utility crashes when i scoot the iso over
[02:58] <Razor-X> --ignore-missing ?
[02:58] <kane> well it dont see my scanner
[02:58] <_simple> root@ubuntu:/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-686 # dpkg -i alsa-modules-2.6.10-5-686_1.0.8-4ubuntu4+10.00.Custom_i386.deb | dpkg: error processing alsa-modules-2.6.10-5-686_1.0.8-4ubuntu4+10.00.Custom_i386.deb (--install):| cannot access archive: No such file or director| Errors were encountered while processing:| alsa-modules-2.6.10-5-686_1.0.8-4ubuntu4+10.00.Custom_i386.deb
[02:59] <_simple> what does all that mean :?
[02:59] <Razor-X> or --fix-broken?
[02:59] <wdh> Razor-X, im lost, i seemed to remember a non-existing option :S
[03:00] <Razor-X> ehhh
[03:00] <Razor-X> *ohhh
[03:00] <Razor-X> --force-yes
[03:00] <wdh> _simple, that the file doesnt exist :)
[03:01] <Razor-X> is it --force-yes?
[03:01] <_simple> oh
[03:01] <wdh> Razor-X, no, i dont think so
[03:01] <Razor-X> mmmm -_-
[03:01] <_simple> i followed the wiki guide to it, and says do that
[03:01] <_simple> doesn't give a "add this file" :/
[03:01] <geppy> I'm trying to rip a CD in Grip, but the first track is giving me "004:  Unable to read table of contents header".  The CD plays perfectly in 'gnome-cd'.
[03:01] <wdh> Razor-X, maybe --force will work, but im still lost
[03:01] <geppy> I'm wondering if I should play with command-line tools to rip it, or what.
[03:02] <poningru> how do you burn an .iso file using k3b?
[03:02] <wdh> _simple, dpkg -i actually processes on a file, which needs to be existent. So you need to run the command from the right directory
[03:02] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: "scoot the iso over"?
[03:02] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: i'm lost
[03:02] <AndyFitz> so there is no quick apt way to roll back to hoary ?
[03:02] <wdh> _simple, do a 'ls' in the directory first
[03:02] <geppy> poningru: Try Tools>CD>Burn CD Image
[03:02] <alwaysmodest> nalioth: when i drag the iso over to disk utility in mac os x.3and then tell it to burn or checksum disk utility crashes
[03:02] <wdh> _simple, and see if the file is there?
[03:02] <geppy> poningru: Or just use Nautilus. ;)
[03:02] <poningru> nm
[03:02] <poningru> heh yeah
[03:02] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: don't use diskutility
[03:02] <poningru> thanks
[03:03] <_simple> alsa-modules-2.6.10-5-686_1.0.8-4ubuntu4+10.00.Custom_i386.deb  that file?
[03:03] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: go to the terminal and run md5 from there
[03:03] <Razor-X> didn't catch the last few statements, wdh
[03:03] <alwaysmodest> nalioth: so i used toast but the cd isn't burnable
[03:03] <_simple> if that's it, no it isn't in the dir
[03:03] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: or go to versiontracker.com and find a nice drag-n-drop md5 checker
[03:03] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: and drop the .iso onto it
[03:03] <alwaysmodest> whats the command in the terminal
[03:03] <anto9us> what's the minimum size for a / partition if all other mounts are on seperate devices?
[03:03] <wdh> geppy, i like abcde for that :)
[03:04] <geppy> wdh: :)
[03:04] <geppy> wdh: abcde is for mp3, though.  Same with jack, et al, right?  I'm a FLAC guy, myself.
[03:04] <wdh> geppy, then try vlorb
[03:04] <kane> hmm just got it to work
[03:04] <count0nz> anto9us, for / like that i'd give / at least 5-10meg
[03:04] <geppy> wdh: Thanks! :)
[03:04] <Chambers`> is there an easy to use par2 checker/recovery tool similar to quickpar for windows?  Gui based and stuff?  Trying to find replacements to all windows apps i use
[03:04] <wdh> geppy, a friend of mine developed it, it seems to be quite good, although i never got to use it
[03:04] <geppy> wdh: Ah, cool. :)
[03:05] <alwaysmodest> nalioth: how do i run the md5 in terminal?
[03:05] <anto9us> count0nz: thanks :)
[03:05] <Razor-X> wdh: got it ;)
[03:05] <wdh> alwaysmodest, md5sum %file ?
[03:05] <count0nz> anto9us, np
[03:05] <wdh> Razor-X, how did you fix it?
[03:05] <Razor-X> just remove knetworkconf and reinstall
[03:05] <alwaysmodest> wdh: idk i'm asking
[03:05] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: navigate in terminal to where your iso file is and run "md5 ubuntu.iso" <enter>
[03:06] <_simple> and i'm not finding it wdh, only google result is 1, and it's the wiki page
[03:06] <alwaysmodest> nalioth: ok cool
[03:06] <wdh> nalioth, make that `md5sum'
[03:06] <geppy> wdh: Hmph, vlorb uses cdparanoia as well:  cdparanoia is even choking on this on the command line.
[03:06] <geppy> wdh: =/
[03:06] <nalioth> wdh: in OSX its "md5"
[03:07] <wdh> geppy, ok, too bad
[03:07] <wdh> nalioth, i was thinking ubuntu :)
[03:07] <geppy> wdh: Is there any quality loss trying to just pipe gnome-cd to arecord, or something along those lines?
[03:07] <nalioth> wdh: alwaysmodest is using OSX to join us
[03:07] <wdh> nalioth, sorry for interfering :)
[03:07] <nalioth> wdh: not at all
[03:07] <nalioth> wdh: many hands make light work
[03:08] <wdh> geppy, not sure
[03:09] <Razor-X> the upgrade is finished ;)
[03:09] <nakor> can somebody help me make my card reader work? no driver is loaded for it, usb-storage ignores it.
[03:09] <forester> Is there an rescue iso for hoary?
[03:10] <kane> well i guess it dont work
[03:10] <nakor> it works in windows
[03:10] <forester> I just need to screw with the boot loader.
[03:10] <wdh> Razor-X, congrats
[03:10] <forester> Tired of endless reinstalls to get it right.
[03:10] <alwaysmodest> nalioth and wdh: what ppc do you have your ubuntu on?
[03:11] <wdh> alwaysmodest, i dont own a ppc
[03:11] <alwaysmodest> wdh: :\ sorry to hear that
[03:11] <wdh> far too expensive for me :)
[03:12] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: i have an iBook2 G3/600
[03:12] <alwaysmodest> you can pick up and old school powermac g3 or imac g4 for like 100 bucks
[03:12] <_simple> FATAL: Could not open '/boot/System.map-2.6.10-5-686': No such file or directory wdh
[03:12] <_simple> another missing file?
[03:12] <Chambers`> is there a gui for parchive or par2?
[03:12] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: no trolling, please (we can't all own apples (they don't manufacture that many))
[03:12] <wdh> alwaysmodest, i guess i can, but my amd athlon PC is still working quite nicely :) no use for an extra pc
[03:13] <alwaysmodest> nalioth: does it run pretty smooth on there?
[03:13] <alwaysmodest> nalioth: sorry
[03:13] <nalioth> wdh, i'm shocked. i own 2 ibooks, and am fixin to build a dual amd linux box (you can't have too many boxen
[03:13] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: i own two iBooks
[03:14] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: i've been windows free for over 4 years
[03:14] <alwaysmodest> nalioth: :)
[03:14] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: and ubuntu runs very well (although i have 640mb ram onboard)
[03:15] <forester> What should I use to rescue my ubuntu install?
[03:15] <alwaysmodest> haha wow nalioth my md5 didn't even come close
[03:15] <forester> Can not boot to it, TIRED of reinstalling.
[03:15] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: there you go
[03:16] <alwaysmodest> ::sigh:: nalioth so where do you think i'd get a good iso from?
[03:16] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: you might also try a proggy for OSX called "firestarter fx" it's open source and burns well
[03:16] <Jormundgand> Does it matter if ubuntu-desktop gets removed as long as everything else stays intact?
[03:16] <jamesio> nalioth, you're right... it works well
[03:16] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: well, you might start a torrent on your mismd5d iso and get it up to standard
[03:16] <jamesio> I inherited an ibook 12"... with tiger on it
[03:17] <nalioth> jamesio: tiger runs great on the old hardware, eh?
[03:17] <nalioth> runs great on mine
[03:17] <blueyed> Jormundgand: ubuntu-desktop is just a meta-package, yes. But it's better to have it anyway (upgrade).
[03:17] <jamesio> nalioth, just wait... apple will announce osx for the pc
[03:17] <jamesio> and then microsoft stock will plummet
[03:18] <forester> blah
[03:18] <nalioth> jamesio: have you read /. today? go and see
[03:18] <jamesio> and that's coming from a die-hard microsoft user (I use osx, ubuntu and freebsd also)
[03:18] <nalioth> jamesio: go and see now
[03:18] <jamesio> yeah, I did
[03:18] <crimsun> fazer: not much, yourself?
[03:18] <alwaysmodest> nalioth: i'm not to sure about torrents i haven't used too much of it
[03:18] <nalioth> hybrid macs...intel + ibm
[03:18] <Jormundgand> And are there any problems associated with using the newer kernel in universe?
[03:18] <Chambers`> so is there a gui for parchive?
[03:18] <msumu_>  yep
[03:19] <crimsun> Jormundgand: hoary?
[03:19] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: if your iso is mostly there, a torrent would 'fill in the parts' that arent correct
[03:19] <msumu_> how can I access to the trash in flux/blackbox ?
[03:19] <Chambers`> msumu_, there is a gui?
[03:19] <msumu_> yeah
[03:19] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: go to ubuntu download and grab the ppc torrent for the iso you have, and then go get azureus or tomato torrent (or just plain bittorrent)
[03:19] <Chambers`> do you know the name of it?
[03:19] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: all have guis and are pretty simple
[03:20] <crimsun> Jormundgand: you need to boot with "noinotify" if you use 2.6.11-1 from hoary universe
[03:20] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: when it asks where to save the file to, point it at your existing (damaged) iso image
[03:20] <msumu_> Chambers`, I am on blackbox
[03:20] <nalioth> Chambers`: you can access guis for parchive at parchive.sourceforge.net
[03:21] <Chambers`> nalioth, i'm on the site now, all i find is the win32 version and command line versions
[03:21] <nalioth> Chambers`: there should be some 3d party stuff at the bottom
[03:21] <msumu_> hey people , how can I access to the trash in flux/blackbox ? :)
[03:21] <nalioth> Chambers`: there was a tcl-tk frontend there once
[03:22] <alwaysmodest> thanks nalioth
[03:22] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: you will see a big speed diff tween ubuntu and OSX
[03:22] <darkaudit> msumu_: there isn't any...
[03:22] <alwaysmodest> really?
[03:23] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: yes.
[03:23] <todd_> word
[03:23] <alwaysmodest> nalioth even if i use gnome?
[03:23] <wellington> please, is there someone using a hp 840c in 5.04? mine just gets a lot of pages and print a lot of trash without stop, i don't know whether the problem is in cups, drivers, ...
[03:23] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: don't know your system specs
[03:23] <todd_> anybody know why k3b would be burning a dvd at like 0.72x? it's not eating much in the way of processor (1-2%) but the buffer status thingie on k3b says "no info"
[03:23] <alwaysmodest> g3 366, 576mb ram
[03:23] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: but on my G3/600 with 640 mb ram, it goes purty quick
[03:24] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: i imagine it will be faster than OSX on that machine
[03:24] <darkaudit> todd_: hdparm /dev/dvd
[03:24] <todd_> darkaudit, it's on
[03:24] <darkaudit> betcha DMA isn't turned on
[03:24] <msumu_> darkaudit, how could this be ? :)  no trash . and any idea on how can I get rid of the file I delet ?
[03:24] <todd_> /dev/dvd:
[03:24] <todd_>  IO_support   =  0 (default 16-bit)
[03:24] <todd_>  unmaskirq    =  0 (off)
[03:24] <todd_>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[03:25] <todd_> darkaudit, also, other dvd burning (nautilus, from an .iso) has gone very quickly
[03:25] <darkaudit> msumu_: you use whatever trash can you're using to browse files, be it nautilus, konqueror, or rox (although I have no idea where rox puts it's trash)
[03:25] <forester> "Ubuntu 5.04 now includes Rescue Mode in the install process to allow for system repairs and rebuilding. "
[03:26] <forester> How do I access this?
[03:26] <alwaysmodest> nalioth how do i get it to point to my iso?
[03:26] <alwaysmodest> bit torrent that is
[03:26] <rama_> what is the best way to preserve www-data user/group permissions while symlinking away from web root?
[03:26] <amonkey> how can i connect to a windows share from bash?
[03:26] <darkaudit> todd_: how fast is your burner and media?
[03:27] <msumu_> darkaudit, I tried rox and i failed ( this file manager looks like some spy stuff)
[03:27] <dampjam> Anybody running breezy now?
[03:27] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: when you open the ubuntu torrent file, it will ask you where to save
[03:27] <todd_> darkaudit, 8x each
[03:27] <forester> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504
[03:27] <alwaysmodest> ah ok cool
[03:27] <alwaysmodest> :)
[03:27] <forester> Where is this "Rescue Mode" ?
[03:27] <Ins0mniac> hey, can someone please give me a hand? need a bit of help getting my usb modem to work on ubuntu, got manufacturer supplied linux drivers, just not clue how to use them. Any help appreciated.
[03:27] <nevyn> ewww manufacturer drivers :(
[03:28] <darkaudit> todd_: try adding -speed=8 in the user paramaters of growisofs in k3b setup
[03:28] <todd_> Ins0mniac, if you do 'tail -f /var/log/messages' as root, while you plug the thing in, what do you see?
[03:28] <todd_> darkaudit, hrm ok
[03:28] <Ins0mniac> i'd have to get back to you. i'm a complete linux beginner. dual-booting xp and ubuntu atm, and logged into windows right now
[03:31] <anto9us> anyone know a guide on slicing up my system mounts for a server? I have 120 gigabytes to spread across /tmp /var /opt /usr /home etc..
[03:31] <rama_> chmod for www-data gives... chmod: invalid mode string: `www-data.www-data'. how do do this?
[03:35] <paolob> Hi guys! I had a working 4.10, but after upgrading to 5.04 the sound has disappeard: in the right upper corner there is the speaker icon, and it shows a >0 volume, but the loudspeakers doesn't sound nothing. Any hint?
[03:35] <nova> brb server change
[03:35] <forester> What the hell, how come no one in here can tell me how to get to Ubuntu's rescue mode?
[03:35] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: howzit goin there?
[03:35] <jsgotangco> paolob, open your sound mixer and change device
[03:35] <nalioth> forester: its in your grub menu
[03:35] <forester> Even searching ubuntulinux.org is useless..
[03:36] <forester> nalioth: hahahahahah
[03:36] <forester> Oh my god that's funny.
[03:36] <paolob> jsgotangco: thank you. I'll do it!
[03:36] <alwaysmodest> pretty good nalioth the torrent is doing its thing and i'm feeling pretty confident
[03:36] <forester> There is a reason other distributions and OS have a rescue floppy/cd or a rescue mode on the floppies/cd(s).
[03:37] <forester> Unbelievable.
[03:37] <forester> Debian had rescue crap 8 years ago.
[03:37] <nalioth> forester: let me guess...something ate your grub?
[03:37] <forester> ya
[03:37] <Tezkah> what about the livecd?
[03:37] <jsgotangco> you can file it as a bug
[03:37] <nalioth> forester: then boot from the livecd and chroot
[03:37] <nalioth> forester: and fix it
[03:37] <forester> Downloading a LiveCD now.
[03:38] <Tezkah> well, ubuntu comes on two CDs
[03:38] <Tezkah> one install, one live
[03:38] <forester> bleeehahahaha
[03:38] <nalioth> Tezkah: mine came on one...
[03:38] <forester> It is one.
[03:38] <forester> The LiveCD is... a Live CD.
[03:38] <forester> el reado.
[03:38] <nalioth> Tezkah: i wasnt fortunate enough to get the deluxe snail mailed 2 disk set
[03:38] <Tezkah> nalioth: yeah, I just downloaded both isos
[03:39] <Tezkah> and burnt them
[03:39] <Tezkah> its always nice to have a backup
[03:39] <forester> it's a backup and the 2nd disk now huh?
[03:39] <forester> hehe
[03:39] <nalioth> forester: they come in install and live flavours
[03:39] <alwaysmodest> nalioth well i hope this is awesome andi can put it on the grape imac os 9 isn't cutting it
[03:39] <forester> nalioth: I know, I am messin with Tezkah
[03:39] <nalioth> forester: Tezkah i like living dangerously, only have my install disk
[03:40] <forester> me too
[03:40] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: OS9? eeewwww
[03:40] <forester> Most dist/OS have rescue with standard disc.
[03:40] <alwaysmodest> yeah well its  a rev. c imac so
[03:40] <forester> Not as a LIVE disc, which implies something more like knoppix.
[03:40] <ferchO> anyone know whats a program like PrintArtist or PrintMaster or MS Publisher for Linux ?
[03:40] <forester> To me anyway.
[03:40] <alwaysmodest> gimp
[03:40] <QMario> Does anyone know of a program that can play Quicktime movies on Ubuntu?
[03:40] <alwaysmodest> iknow that one
[03:40] <nalioth> forester: this ubuntu is strange in many ways some consider .. .. .. unnatural
[03:40] <alwaysmodest> ferch0:gimp
[03:40] <darkaudit> QMario: I use Xine
[03:40] <nalioth> QMario: totem?
[03:41] <forester> In fact, LIVE doesn't even have the rescue component, GRUB does. it just so happens you can use the LIVE disc to rescue.
[03:41] <jsgotangco> ferchO, you can try scribus
[03:41] <ferchO> gimp is an image editor, not a wizard like program to create diplomas, calendars, etc
[03:41] <alwaysmodest> ferch0: :X
[03:41] <QMario> What about a  Quicktime plug-in for Mozilla Firefox?
[03:41] <alwaysmodest> sorry
[03:41] <jsgotangco> ferchO, or do the thing in inkscape in svg and import it to scribus
[03:42] <tga> QMario: mplayerplug-in
[03:42] <tga> QMario: if you get a decent mplayer and codecs to play movs
[03:42] <nalioth> QMario: does not your mplayer plugin not jump into action?
[03:43] <cmatheson> hey guys... what should /etc/X11/X be pointing to?
[03:44] <alwaysmodest> nalioth my live cd md5 checks out bit torrent is freaking awesome!
[03:45] <QMario> Nalioth, no, Mozilla Firefox still says I need to download a plug-in, and if I could watch videos, I don't get any sound.
[03:45] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: yes, bittorrent is quite useful :P
[03:45] <nalioth> QMario: you've just mentioned 2 distinct problems
[03:45] <forester> Yeah bittorrent makes it so I can download via http/ftp at max speed while everyone else uses bittorrent.
[03:45] <cmatheson> he could someone check what the symbolic link /etc/X11/X should be going to for me?
[03:46] <QMario> Heh
[03:46] <nalioth> forester: yes, but knowing when and what protocol to use is the key
[03:47] <forester> Never have problems.
[03:48] <alwaysmodest> anyone know of a distro that is like live cd/install copy on one cd
[03:48] <alwaysmodest> i'm jw
[03:48] <forester> knoppix?
[03:48] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: you are running the live ppc ubuntu?
[03:49] <alwaysmodest> nalioth i'm burning then running
[03:49] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: ubuntu comes live/install on one dvd
[03:49] <alwaysmodest> nalitoh: really?
[03:49] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: how big is your HD?
[03:49] <forester> So I should boot this live cd, mount my ubuntu partition, then reinstall grub, NOT on the MBR, THEN configure grub for Win2k3?
[03:49] <alwaysmodest> on the g3 its 15 gb
[03:49] <alwaysmodest> ^^nalioth
[03:49] <Musagetes> I'm trying to apt-get mplayer, but it's telling me I have some "unresolvable repositories", and I can't install a lot of the things mplayer depends on. Is this a known problem, or is there a different way to get mplayer?
[03:50] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: you can dual-boot your ubuntu/OSX (cuz linux can read/write to hfs and hfs+ filesystems)
[03:50] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: thats how this ibook is
[03:50] <forester> GIMP is "free"; "Free" is not (contrary to popular belief) the same as "good". Herpes, for instance, is generally free (unless you got it from a hooker or your ex-husband/wife, then you most likely paid for it one way or another). Herpes is generally not too useful for anything, people are usually not to happy about getting it and coincidentally, herpes flare-up is just about as erratic as GIMP's stability.
[03:51] <forester> Funny quote
[03:51] <nalioth> Musagetes: have you been to ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ or ubuntuguide.org?
[03:51] <alwaysmodest> nalioth: yeah and when i installed 10.2 on the g3 i split the hd (had to anyway had to be within the first 8gb)
[03:51] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: if you choose to dual boot, i'd chuck os9
[03:51] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: and to yaboot, it doesnt matter where the data is
[03:52] <Musagetes> nalioth: Not yet, but I'll make haste over there right away to check. :)
[03:52] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: yaboot is the boot loader
[03:52] <alwaysmodest> yeah i have a ibook, beige g3 and grape imac and on the grape is using os 9
[03:52] <alwaysmodest> but i will probably use ubuntuon it when i get this straightened out
[03:52] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: you have my permission to chuck the os9
[03:52] <alwaysmodest> nalitoh: thanks
[03:53] <forester> One more try then I murder for having my night wasted.
[03:53] <Tezkah> OS/2!
[03:53] <forester> This is why I don't use Linux as a desktop.
[03:53] <forester> It is far from productive.
[03:54] <alwaysmodest> lol forester thats true, but i've wasted plenty of time on gentoo so don't feel bad
[03:54] <novaflare> how do i see my network adapter in linux
[03:54] <novaflare> the linuzx equiv of ipconfig
[03:54] <novaflare> ?
[03:54] <mpm> is there a script you can write to ssh or ftp in via terminal where it enters your username/passwd?
[03:55] <bobby> ls
[03:55] <Chambers`> damn..i need a frontend for par2, tkpar is only for par1 files
[03:55] <nalioth> novaflare: iwconfig
[03:55] <crimsun> mpm: Investigate passphrases. You might want to look into keychain, too.
[03:55] <nalioth> Chambers`: to my knowledge, there is no standalone gui for par2 files
[03:55] <novaflare> ty
[03:55] <alwaysmodest> nalioth: if the md5 checks out it has to burn\work right?
[03:55] <darkaudit> Chambers`: you creating pars, or just checking?
[03:56] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: a matching md5 is a good start (i don't like toast)
[03:56] <Chambers`> darkaudit, I'm just checking/recovering.  Trying to find a linux replacement for quickpar on windows
[03:56] <darkaudit> Chambers`: par2 r foo.par2
[03:56] <alwaysmodest> nalioth i'm not a big fan of toast either, i usually use disk utility, but that action is being difficult
[03:56] <nalioth> darkaudit: he wants point-n-click
[03:57] <ubuntu11> german people here ?
[03:57] <darkaudit> assuming you've already installed par2 ;)
[03:57] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: you should have 0 probs now
[03:57] <novaflare> brb
[03:57] <Chambers`> and i want it to be easy.  I tried editing the tkpar perl script but it just doesn't work, tries looking at all par2 files, not just the ones associated with a post
[03:57] <Chambers`> sure have :)
[03:57] <alwaysmodest> nalioth: have you used enlightenment as your desktop? it looks pretty rad, and its got a dock like in osx
[03:57] <ubuntu11> german peoples here ?
[03:57] <alwaysmodest> nalioth: well what looks like the dock from the screen shot
[03:58] <Chambers`> hmm..wonder if wine will run quickpar
[03:58] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: enlightenment (like most lesser-used WMs) is what you make of it
[03:58] <darkaudit> hmm.. only other suggestion would be to associate the command 'par2 r' with the par files in nautilus/konqueror/rox
[03:58] <nalioth> Chambers`: just make a shell script and use it
[03:58] <Musagetes> Neither the wiki nor ubuntuguide seems to address the problem I'm getting when trying to apt-get mplayer. It's telling me I have "unresolvable repositories" and a lot of the packages mplayer depends on doesn't want to be installed. :(
[03:59] <alwaysmodest> nalioth: got ya... i tried to use some other wm on windows but it messed up
[03:59] <crimsun> Musagetes: use only debian-marillat's testing repo
[03:59] <Chambers`> darkaudit, that's not a bad idea
[03:59] <alwaysmodest> lol had reboot f8 in safe mode
[03:59] <nalioth> Musagetes: do you have multi, uni and marillat repositorys in your sources.list?
[03:59] <crimsun> Musagetes: you also need multiverse
[03:59] <Musagetes> I have them all, yes.
[03:59] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: windoze always messes up
[03:59] <crimsun> Musagetes: you must not have unstable
[04:00] <Musagetes> It's the unstable ones that are messing it up?
[04:00] <crimsun> Musagetes: among things
[04:00] <Musagetes> Ah, I'll get rid of them right away.
[04:00] <nalioth> Musagetes: its the unstable ones you are missing in your sources.list
[04:00] <alwaysmodest> nalioth the thing that bothered me about enlightenment was that it was like v.17
[04:00] <Ubuntu> i still cant get my resolution figured out, and now my comp keeps crashing
[04:00] <crimsun> Musagetes: you need to explicitly pass the multiverse version
[04:01] <abarbaccia> hey all - can someone help me out with a linux question - if i want to write a script to have things done at boottime, where would i place it?
[04:01] <Musagetes> I just added all the repositories that were suggested in the Howto install ubuntu guide on the wiki ...
[04:01] <alwaysmodest> nalioth wish me luck even though i'll still be on the irc
[04:01] <crimsun> abarbaccia: in /etc/init.d/  and read man update-rc.d
[04:01] <anto9us> I'm setting up a software raid stripe across 3 drives. I've seperate / and /boot and it's become apparent to me that I can't put multiple mount points (/opt /home /usr etc.) on a single md. Am I correct in thinking this?
[04:01] <crimsun> Musagetes: that's a bad decision
[04:01] <abarbaccia> crimsun, that's what i was looking for - thanks bud
[04:01] <crimsun> Musagetes: you should only add the testing repo
[04:02] <Musagetes> Apparently. :)
[04:02] <sargo> I loaded GNome on Kubuntu and really like it better than KDE but it always says it can't find gnome-fs-home icons and I can't change my themes.  Anyone have any ideas? I've reloaded ubuntu-desktop about 50 times.
[04:02] <crimsun> Musagetes: (from debian-marillat)
[04:02] <_kevin> Kubuntu is desinged for KDE i dunno why anyone would use it with gnome
[04:02] <Musagetes> crimsun: Could you show me how my source.list should look?
[04:03] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: its easy on apple
[04:03] <sargo> So am I better off just reloading Ubuntu and wiping out Kubuntu?
[04:03] <ferchO> yes sargo
[04:03] <nalioth> _kevin: all the proggys can be used anywhere
[04:03] <sargo> I just hate loosing all that I've put into it.
[04:03] <_kevin> i would say so, if gnome is what you are after... but i think there are some smart people here that can solve your problem
[04:04] <forester> The live cd is idiotic.
[04:04] <nalioth> _kevin: and there are proggys for KDE, that gnome-based proggys can't emulate
[04:04] <kane> sargo:  just add gnome
[04:04] <nalioth> sargo: you should have both
[04:04] <nalioth> sargo: kubuntu is ubuntu
[04:04] <sargo> I would like to keep both.
[04:04] <QMario> Where do I obtain gecko-sdk in order to install the mplayer plug-in for Mozilla Firefox?
[04:04] <mkde> hi there, i am looking for some one with restrictedformat knowledge. I get the following error when trying to play a dvd. Any idea what it can be due to? http://pastebin.ca/12481
[04:04] <nalioth> sargo: install "ubuntu-desktop"
[04:04] <ferchO> whats the address to ubuntu's pastebin?
[04:05] <sargo> I removed and reinstalled about 50 times.
[04:05] <mkde> sargo, you may find some incompatibilities if you use both
[04:05] <mkde> ferchO, just use any ;)
[04:05] <alwaysmodest> nalioth i don't think this is working out the apple still comes up
[04:05] <crimsun> Musagetes: http://pastebin.com/288842
[04:05] <kane> nalioth:  that will install gdm also which he dont need
[04:05] <sargo> I keep getting this when I try to change themes: The default theme schemas could not be found on your system.  This means that you probably don't have metacity installed, or that your gconf is configured incorrectly.
[04:05] <mkde> sargo, ouch
[04:05] <mkde> sargo, do you have metacity installed?
[04:06] <sargo> It says I do when I try to install it.
[04:06] <mkde> sargo, the best solution is to install ubuntu-desktop
[04:06] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: do you know how to boot from cd-rom drive?
[04:06] <rj`> if i want to take a server install of hoary to a desktop -- with gnome -- what do i do?
[04:06] <alwaysmodest> nalioth: uh-huh
[04:06] <sargo> I've done the apt-get install ubuntu-desktop from the console.
[04:06] <crimsun> rj`: install ubuntu-desktop
[04:07] <alwaysmodest> nalioth: it hates us
[04:07] <mkde> sargo, and you still have that problem?
[04:07] <nalioth> kane: what exactly is the diff tween gdm and kdm? i use gdm with my kubuntu and have 0 probs
[04:07] <rj`> crimsun: it's not installing all the packages? only says 16mbs to install
[04:07] <alwaysmodest> it lies to us
[04:07] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: when you hear the chime, hold down the "c" key
[04:07] <darkaudit> Chambers`: found something on parchive.sourceforge.net - TkPar - tk/perl frontend for par
[04:07] <mkde> hi there, i am looking for some one with restrictedformat knowledge. I get the following error when trying to play a dvd. Any idea what it can be due to? http://pastebin.ca/12481
[04:07] <crimsun> rj`: do you have the cdrom listed as a repo
[04:07] <crimsun> ?
[04:07] <jamesio> hehhe... just created a 3.1 terabyte volume in xp
[04:08] <nalioth> mkde: is your dvd in that location?
[04:08] <rj`> crimsun: i have all repos enabled -- multiverse/universe security hoary main -- i # out the cd tho and just did a apt-get update
[04:08] <mkde> nalioth, yes
[04:08] <Musagetes> crimsun: Well, it worked. I got rid of the other two marillat-repositories so I only have the testing, and it removed a lot of the dependencies failures. There's still two that are bugging, though ... http://pastebin.com/288843
[04:08] <nalioth> mkde: or is it somewhere else
[04:08] <mkde> nalioth, its there alright
[04:08] <nalioth> mkde: not sure.. ..
[04:08] <sargo> It also complains that gnome-fs-home icons are not installed when I boot up and log in.
[04:09] <mkde> sargo, have you done anything crazy to your system?
[04:09] <sargo> Not that I know of.
[04:09] <crimsun> Musagetes: sudo aptitude install mplayer-586=1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[04:09] <sargo> Installed a 3rd party sound driver.
[04:09] <alwaysmodest> its the damn toast methinks
[04:09] <sargo> If you call that crazy :)
[04:09] <mkde> sargo, no
[04:09] <Anubis> those marilliat repos are troublesome
[04:10] <mkde> Anubis, yes
[04:10] <Anubis> and the ubuntu backports repo are often offline
[04:10] <mkde> crimsun, any idea about my dvd problem? i remember you are strong with the restricted formats
[04:10] <Anubis> but do not cause depedency problems
[04:10] <crimsun> mkde: I don't have a dvd drive
[04:10] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: are you in OSX?
[04:10] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: if so, go and get "firestarter fx"
[04:10] <alwaysmodest> nalitoh: yes
[04:10] <mkde> crimsun, ok sorry ;)
[04:10] <Anubis> just my experience
[04:11] <mkde> Anubis, i don't tend to trust any external repositories
[04:11] <nalioth> alwaysmodest: or use disk utility
[04:11] <alwaysmodest> shucks my baby's momma is here g2g
[04:11] <alwaysmodest> :)
[04:11] <Musagetes> crimsun: It seemed to do the trick, thank you!
[04:11] <alwaysmodest> thanks for the help nalioth i'll probably bbl
[04:11] <Anubis> mkde, its the easiest way to get updated packages like xchat 2.4.3
[04:12] <Anubis> and the new fluxbox
[04:12] <Anubis> and gaim 1.3.0
[04:12] <crimsun> backport repositories are evil.
[04:12] <mkde> Anubis, i don't care about updated packages
[04:12] <Anubis> ouch
[04:12] <mkde> Anubis, i like stable packages
[04:12] <msumu_> crimsun, you damn right
[04:12] <Anubis> I MUST have the latest packages without goin gto Beezy
[04:12] <mkde> Anubis, why?
[04:12] <Anubis> ummm
[04:12] <Anubis> these packages are stable
[04:13] <mkde> Anubis, does xchat 2.4.3 do your laundry for you?
[04:13] <crimsun> because he _loves_ version jumps
[04:13] <forester> I just want to use linux, not babysit it.
[04:13] <mkde> omg
[04:13] <mkde> Anubis, ok seriously, why?
[04:14] <Anubis> crimsun, no I like bug fixes
[04:14] <msumu_> Must I update the ubuntu kernel ?
[04:14] <paxmaster> hello there i am new to apache i just install it by apt-get :) now where should i edit the homepage
[04:14] <mkde> msumu_, if you run hoary, it is probably a good idea yes
[04:14] <paxmaster> or the index
[04:14] <crimsun> Anubis: then you're probably still better off running Breezy
[04:14] <msumu_> mkde, it looks like it s the same
[04:14] <Anubis> instead of running stable old buggy programs
[04:15] <mkde> paxmaster, apache is quite complicated. You should start with the manual in "man apache" and find out about the configuration files
[04:15] <crimsun> yeah, so run unstable new buggy programs!
[04:15] <Anubis> Hoary was broken until release
[04:15] <Anubis> I'm not doing Breezy
[04:15] <QMario> How do I install the mplayer plug-in?
[04:15] <darkaudit> fluxbox had released 0.9.12 in January, but the Debian maintainer was way behind... it only recently made Sid...
[04:15] <mkde> QMario, check out the unofficial ubuntuguide for that. http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:15] <mkde> msumu_, its a security update
[04:15] <darkaudit> but now 0.9.13 is out and packaged
[04:16] <msumu_> Anubis, be quiet we know about that
[04:16] <paxmaster> yeah thx but can someone just point the index page
[04:16] <Anubis> msumu_, pardon me
[04:17] <msumu_> mkde, oki cause last time i update the kernel, the old one remained at the boot menu
[04:17] <mkde> paxmaster, yes, /var/www/ but that default it is not very secure. its better to edit the configuration files and move it to your home directory
[04:17] <mkde> msumu_, it should work, if not, its a bug
[04:17] <crimsun> msumu_: yes, you should upgrade to 34.1, since it patches a lot of security holes.
[04:18] <nickrud> QMario, in synaptic, you can using ctrl-f. search for mozilla-mplayer
[04:18] <mkde> Anubis, the system that linux distros use of freezing packages is very common. They use it for a good reason: it results in their systems working better
[04:18] <nickrud> *can search
[04:18] <abarbaccia> crimsun, can you explain what the cron.daily dir is all about?
[04:18] <QMario> It can't find it, nickrud. :(
[04:19] <paxmaster> ok thx
[04:19] <mkde> QMario, did you check that url?
[04:19] <msumu_> oki thanks y all
[04:19] <QMario> Yes, and I followed all the steps, but it couldn't find the package.
[04:20] <mkde> QMario, did you add the multiverse repository?
[04:20] <nickrud> QMario, updating your sources.list can be difficult
[04:22] <crimsun> abarbaccia: what do you want to know?
[04:22] <QMario> Mkde, what do you mean by multiverse repository?
[04:23] <mkde> QMario, a repository is an online archive where your ubuntu system looks for packages to install
[04:23] <nickrud> QMario, unless some one tells you not to, replace /etc/apt/sources.list with http://pastebin.com/288853. if you need help, just ask
[04:23] <mkde> QMario, there is one called multiverse
[04:23] <Burgundavia> how do I show dependencies on the commandline? (I have used syantpic too much to be useful for packages on the cli)
[04:23] <mkde> Burgundavia, apt-cache show?
[04:23] <nickrud> Burgundavia, apt-cach depends
[04:24] <mkde> nickrud, that sources list is ok, except for marillat ;)
[04:24] <mkde> in fact its extremely well organised
[04:24] <nickrud> mkde, thats why it's commented, but it's easy for w32codecs
[04:24] <nickrud> mkde, I made it in synaptic, just cycling through the options
[04:25] <shad0w1e> anyone here know how I can set up a GROUP that only allows vsftpd ?
[04:25] <mkde> hmm there must be an easier way of getting win32codecs
[04:25] <IceDC571> hmm... i love ubuntu
[04:25] <shad0w1e> ubuntu doesnt have kde
[04:25] <mkde> *laughs*
[04:25] <mkde> yes it does
[04:25] <IceDC571> shad0w1e, kubuntu does
[04:25] <shad0w1e> and konqueror crashes all the time on kubuntu
[04:25] <IceDC571> ohh
[04:25] <shad0w1e> i was gettin there
[04:26] <shad0w1e> doesnt it?
[04:26] <shad0w1e> its happened on a lot of my computers so i dont think its just me
[04:26] <IceDC571> i dont know.. never tried it, but what are the advantages of kde?
[04:26] <shad0w1e> none, its a gui
[04:26] <shad0w1e> its all about preference
[04:26] <Tezkah> icewm for life
[04:26] <shad0w1e> kde's much hotter
[04:26] <shad0w1e> it comes with some nice apps, but those can all be installed onto gnome as well
[04:26] <QMario> Nickrud, I need help.
[04:27] <nickrud> QMario, yeah that's a lot of bash :)
[04:27] <mkde> QMario, just ask :)
[04:27] <shad0w1e> anyone here know how i can set up a user group to only allow vsftpd?
[04:27] <nickrud> QMario, in fact, if you copy that over, you can use synaptic easily
[04:28] <nickrud> QMario, skip this command line stuff
[04:28] <IceDC571> is it possible to install windows running with linux if i already have linux installed on one hard drive?
[04:28] <crimsun> shad0w1e: do you mean users who can only log in via vsftpd?
[04:29] <crimsun> IceDC571: sure, though you'll want an install or a livecd handy to restore grub/lilo
[04:29] <shad0w1e> crimsun: yes, no telnet, no ssh
[04:29] <crimsun> shad0w1e: sure. look at vsftpd's virtual users.
[04:29] <shad0w1e> is that the only way?
[04:30] <shad0w1e> I'd rather have them as real users on the system...
[04:30] <shad0w1e> with home dir's , etc
[04:30] <IceDC571> i would hate to install windows just to get my phone to work with the computer
[04:30] <IceDC571> grr. too much spyware
[04:30] <shad0w1e> IceDC571: which phone?
[04:30] <IceDC571> motorola razr
[04:30] <shad0w1e> oh so u need motorola mobile phone tools
[04:31] <shad0w1e> which is for windows..
[04:31] <IceDC571> yep yep :) im surpised you know of it
[04:31] <QMario> It still doesn't work, but now I have to go for 15 minutes.
[04:31] <crimsun> shad0w1e: well, you can have them as real users on the system, too, and simply disallow them to log in via ssh. See the appropriate directives in man sshd_config
[04:31] <shad0w1e> maybe mobile phone tools will run on wine
[04:32] <crimsun> (and you shouldn't allow telnet logins anyhow ;)
[04:32] <shad0w1e> crimsun: I'm not a linux expert. If I block out ssh and telnet, does that just about restrict them to only ftp?
[04:32] <paulproteus> IceDC571: Is that all it's called, "razr"?
[04:32] <shad0w1e> motorola V3
[04:32] <shad0w1e> (RAZR)
[04:32] <paulproteus> shad0w1e: That's right, unless they sit down at the computer.  They could then log in.
[04:32] <shad0w1e> right that I know..
[04:32] <IceDC571> wait..  i could just use one of the windows boxes in this house
[04:32] <IceDC571> haha stupid me
[04:32] <IceDC571> i wont let that OS touch this computer again
[04:32] <shad0w1e> paulproteus: so the only ways in are ftp, telnet and ssh
[04:33] <paulproteus> shad0w1e: Whoa, you have telnet enabled for remote login?
[04:33] <shad0w1e> all motorola phones use the same software
[04:33] <shad0w1e> paulproteus: why does everyone scream at me for that?
[04:33] <shad0w1e> yay. its not SO secure..
[04:33] <paulproteus> shad0w1e: I'm not screaming; I'm mostly confused.
[04:33] <paulproteus> It's so...
[04:33] <paulproteus> 1980s retro.
[04:34] <shad0w1e> ssh doesnt look any better
[04:34] <shad0w1e> does it
[04:34] <paulproteus> Think of the Macarena.  Then think back ten years.
[04:34] <IceDC571> i'll be back
[04:34] <shad0w1e> to me telnet looks just like ssh
[04:34] <paulproteus> SSH is more powerful in addition to being more secure.
[04:34] <shad0w1e> well I sit down on any machine, anywhere, and it has telnet. I suppose that's a plus, no?
[04:34] <Musagetes> Somebody very good with mplayer here? Could you please take a look at http://pastebin.com/288855 and see if there's something really wrong but fixable? Mplayer crashes whenever I try to open a video file.
[04:35] <paulproteus> You should look into SSH port forwarding, and you should know that SSH can automatically securely forward X connections, and it also can compress data in sending.
[04:35] <paulproteus> But it's your call.
[04:35] <shad0w1e> so youre saying that ssh can handle telnet logins?
[04:35] <paulproteus> shad0w1e: I'm saying that SSH can be used to remotely log in, so long as you have an SSH client on the other side.
[04:36] <paulproteus> I always just grab PuTTY if I'm on a Windows machine that doesn't have it.
[04:36] <shad0w1e> well of course
[04:36] <shad0w1e> I have ssh and telnet enables
[04:36] <shad0w1e> d
[04:36] <shad0w1e> and I use putty when I can
[04:36] <shad0w1e> but when im somewhere where theres no putty and i dont feel like getting it, i just fire up telnet
[04:36] <crimsun> please don't enable telnetd; that's just begging for system compromise
[04:36] <shad0w1e> really? my college uses telnet
[04:36] <crimsun> many colleges and universities lack a clue
[04:37] <wesw> yep, telnet is 'old school'
[04:37] <shad0w1e> I cant even figure out how to copy and paste text using putty
[04:37] <paulproteus> shad0w1e: Well, okay; anyone on that network, or anyone eavesdropping on a nearby network, can read your passwords.
[04:37] <crimsun> copy by primary-select and highlighting; paste with the secondary button
[04:37] <paulproteus> shad0w1e: You select text to copy.  Then you right-click to paste.
[04:38] <wesw> telnet + snort = trouble
[04:38] <paulproteus> shad0w1e: Anyway, we're veering off topic.  What was your original question?
[04:38] <shad0w1e> i think that was answered
[04:38] <paulproteus> telnet + tcpdump = party!
[04:38] <crimsun> paulproteus: you answered it
[04:38] <shad0w1e> virtual users
[04:38] <shad0w1e> or set up ssh to not allow whoever..
[04:38] <shad0w1e> and disable telnet
[04:39] <shad0w1e> ahh copying and pasting works fine now
[04:39] <shad0w1e> dont know why i ever had trouble with it
[04:39] <shad0w1e> is putty the best?
[04:39] <wesw> btw, ssh rocks!  if you can spare a donation send it to http://www.openbsd.org/
[04:40] <Curlydave> hey
[04:40] <Curlydave> does anyone here know how to install doom3?
[04:40] <shad0w1e> yeah sure,
[04:40] <shad0w1e> you put in the CD
[04:40] <crimsun> Curlydave: follow the directions on idsoftware's web site?
[04:40] <shad0w1e> autorun comes up
[04:40] <shad0w1e> and you click on "install"
[04:40] <shad0w1e> just kidding
[04:40] <shad0w1e> thats windows
[04:40] <Curlydave> haha, very funny
[04:40] <Curlydave> it's NEVER that easy with linux
[04:40] <Curlydave> i actually downloaded the thingy for it
[04:40] <shad0w1e> but it prolly involves downloading a custom installer
[04:40] <Curlydave> yea i did
[04:40] <shad0w1e> and putting in the cd
[04:40] <wesw> no sudo apt-get install doom3?  damn
[04:40] <Curlydave> but the custom installer doens't work
[04:40] <shad0w1e> the custom installer never picks up the cd
[04:41] <shad0w1e> so you need to "fool it" and then copy the files over manually
[04:41] <darkaudit> Curlydave: have you tried the loki installer?
[04:41] <shad0w1e> my experience with unreal tournament, anyway
[04:41] <Curlydave> dunno, i have this one but it keeps trying to open in gedit
[04:41] <shad0w1e> so go into the consoe
[04:41] <shad0w1e> console
[04:41] <Curlydave> i'm sure ther'es a console command or something
[04:41] <shad0w1e> and type in
[04:41] <shad0w1e> ./filename
[04:41] <ice_1963> pl
[04:41] <shad0w1e> you might have to chmod +x filename first
[04:41] <wesw> './setup.sh'?
[04:41] <shad0w1e> to make it executable
[04:41] <shad0w1e> or
[04:42] <shad0w1e> sh ./whatever.sh
[04:42] <wesw> foo
[04:42] <shad0w1e> bar
[04:42] <wesw> 8)
[04:42] <andrewski> can anyone describe why my fonts, given the same AA/hinting settings, look different (thinner) than before i reinstalled?
[04:42] <wesw> have you configured  them
[04:42] <shad0w1e> ohh good question. why do my fonts become GIANT when I use the nvidia driver? How do I make them normal again?
[04:43] <shad0w1e> im talking about on KDE btw
[04:43] <andrewski> shad0w1e: is your resolution changing?
[04:43] <shad0w1e> same resolution
[04:43] <shad0w1e> fonts are much bigger
[04:43] <shiv> is there a program to view picture files like windows has?
[04:43] <wesw> 100 dpi  90 dpi etc?
[04:43] <HrdwrBoB> shiv: yes
[04:43] <shad0w1e> shiv: digikam kicks ass
[04:43] <HrdwrBoB> gthumb
[04:44] <shad0w1e> wesw, where do i set the dpi?
[04:44] <shad0w1e> xorg.conf ?
[04:44] <klaxian> hey
[04:45] <shad0w1e> interesting thing is i used the same xorg.conf file but just changed teh driver to something else, and boom, my fonts were smaller
[04:45] <klaxian> in doing an apt-get dist-upgrade, i get this:
[04:45] <klaxian> dpkg: error processing console-data (--configure):
[04:45] <klaxian>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[04:45] <klaxian> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of base-config:
[04:45] <klaxian>  base-config depends on console-data (>= 2002.12.04dbs-16); however:
[04:45] <klaxian>   Package console-data is not configured yet.
[04:45] <shiv> thanks let me try
[04:45] <klaxian> it won't reconfigure
[04:45] <klaxian> should i reinstall those packages?
[04:45] <wesw> shad0wle:  system, pref, fonts  in  Gnome, somehere else in KDE control center, display maybe?
[04:46] <shad0w1e> i can try that, thanks
[04:46] <wesw> np
[04:46] <shad0w1e> interesting thing was same xorg.conf
[04:46] <KD5PBO> Does Ubuntu use a package manager?
[04:46] <shad0w1e> different driver
[04:46] <shad0w1e> and the fonts were smaller
[04:46] <shad0w1e> yea
[04:46] <andrewski> KD5PBO: yes.
[04:46] <shad0w1e> it uses the debian one
[04:46] <shad0w1e> apt-get
[04:46] <wesw> apt-get
[04:46] <shad0w1e> and alien to convert rpm packages
[04:46] <shad0w1e> actually
[04:46] <shad0w1e> dpkg
[04:46] <shad0w1e> is the package manager
[04:47] <KD5PBO> what's apt-get, I've always used rpm's
[04:47] <ice_1963> hmmmm
[04:47] <wesw> it's much better than RPM
[04:47] <wesw> imho
[04:47] <nickrud> KD5PBO, on the top toolbar, system-admin-package manager
[04:47] <andrewski> KD5PBO: you should probably read a bit more about ubuntu and its relation to debian.
[04:48] <KD5PBO> I'm downloading the iso right now for the live cd
[04:48] <KD5PBO> I'm using SuSE
[04:48] <wesw> or just command:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:49] <shiv> where is digikam after instal?
[04:49] <nickrud> KD5PBO, enjoy the easy package management
[04:49] <Musagetes> Where's the "system startup scripts"? Mplayer is asking me to add a command there. :)
[04:49] <FlyingSquirrel32> I'm a little confused, I want to set up a linux domain on my network, but I'm not sure where to start... NIS, LDAP, IPSEC, Kerberos... What is a professional and secure solution?
[04:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> does ubuntu have scripts to store the sound card states upon shutdown and restore them upon boot?
[04:50] <nickrud> rpmfind was fun
[04:54] <PrediusV2> ?
[04:54] <FlyingSquirrel32> I'm a little confused, I want to set up a linux domain on my network, but I'm not sure where to start... NIS, LDAP, IPSEC, Kerberos... What is a professional and secure solution?
[04:54] <paulproteus> FlyingSquirrel32: I just went through a transition from NIS to LDAP.
[04:55] <paulproteus> You should use LDAP, preferably secured with SSL.
[04:55] <paulproteus> Kerberos is a great bother and only solves half of the problems; the combination of LDAP and Kerberos is the "Holy Grail" here.
[04:55] <paulproteus> NIS is ancient, insecure (any user can list the whole hashed password table and crack other users' passwords offline), and unprofessional-looking for these reasons.
[04:55] <paul_> trying to set up apache, how can i do this ?  i dont have ownership and cant edit the apache config files
[04:55] <paulproteus> Plain-Jane LDAP is fairly easy to set up.
[04:56] <paulproteus> paul_: Edit the config files using "sudo".
[04:56] <paulproteus> Like:
[04:56] <shad0w1e> ok strangest thing
[04:56] <FlyingSquirrel32> paulproteus, which should I start with?
[04:56] <shad0w1e> my fonts come out fine in GNOME
[04:56] <shad0w1e> not in KDE
[04:56] <Church_of_FoamY> anyone know how to install clamav?
[04:56] <paul_> ive tried logging as sudo, i still cant edit
[04:56] <paulproteus> Start with LDAP.  Make it work.  Then, optionally, add SSL.
[04:56] <shad0w1e> KDE they become way to big when I use the nvidia driver
[04:56] <paulproteus> sudo nano -w /etc/apache/httpd.conf
[04:56] <wesw> paul_:  look into 'webmin' - it will make your life easier
[04:56] <paulproteus> paul_: Does that work?
[04:56] <paulproteus> (Also, webmin is neat.)
[04:56] <paulproteus> shad0w1e: In KDE, are they also too big when you do *not* use the NVidia driver?
[04:57] <paul_> its really maddening that i cant do anything as user
[04:57] <FlyingSquirrel32> paulproteus, dumb question here... SSL is not the same as Kerberos... right?
[04:57] <paulproteus> Right, FlyingSquirrel32.
[04:57] <wesw> type:  'sudo passwd' to set root password
[04:57] <wesw> initally
[04:57] <shad0w1e> paulproteus: no
[04:57] <paulproteus> paul_: If you want a more liberating experience, try: sudo su -
[04:57] <paul_> i dont want webmin i want to edit my damn files without a bunch of rings to jump thru
[04:58] <paulproteus> paul_: Try "sudo su - " and then you can edit whatever you like.
[04:58] <FlyingSquirrel32> paulproteus, sorry , coming from a m$ world want to set this stuff up on my home net. thanks
[04:58] <paulproteus> FlyingSquirrel32: No trouble at all.
[04:58] <shad0w1e> okay im gona try something cause I notice that my other ubuntu machine is using different fonts
[04:58] <wesw> paul_ if you've never used webmin, you might really like it.  makes all admin, even remote, trick easy and secure
[04:59] <paul_> that did nothing
[04:59] <wesw> 'sudo apt-get install webmin'
[04:59] <paulproteus> paul_: Did you do "sudo su - " ?
[04:59] <paulproteus> You should notice now that the prompt changed from "$" to "#".
[04:59] <FlyingSquirrel32> paulproteus, so I shouldn't bother with Kerb?
[04:59] <paul_> yes
[04:59] <wesw> or use synaptic and pic select packages
[04:59] <paulproteus> That's because you're now root, and can do absolutely anything.  You won't get permission denied anymore.
[04:59] <paulproteus> FlyingSquirrel32: I agree with that sentiment.
[04:59] <g14> paul_: Don't do sudo su -, do sudo -s, it will work faster because it doesn't have to load the environment twice
[05:00] <kane> crimsun:  do you what to make deb for gnomeradio
[05:00] <paul_> man this all to confusing
[05:00] <wesw> it's different.  it's not too bad.  were here to help
[05:00] <paul_> id like to shoot the dipshit who came up with the idea for no root user
[05:00] <paulproteus> FlyingSquirrel32: If you want to ask me specific questions about LDAP stuff, please go ahead.
[05:01] <g14> paul_: It is a great idea securitywise
[05:01] <paulproteus> I haven't set up SSL yet, but I imagine it won't be too much trouble.
[05:01] <kane> paul sudo passwd root
[05:01] <crimsun> kane: I'd use cdbs
[05:01] <paulproteus> (Side note: "sudo passwd" is equivalent to "sudo passwd root".)
[05:01] <paul_> been there done that, still cant edit or do shit with apache
[05:02] <kane> crimsun:  its for tunner card not net radio
[05:02] <shad0w1e> didnt help, my fonts are still giant
[05:02] <FlyingSquirrel32> paulproteus, I'd love your help, but I don't have time to start that project tonight.
[05:03] <paulproteus> Okay.  If you'd like, feel free to send me an email - I'm asheesh@asheesh.org .
[05:03] <crimsun> kane: sure, and I'd use cdbs
[05:03] <FlyingSquirrel32> paulproteus, Do you know of any good online guides to setting LDAP up?
[05:03] <wesw> shad0wle, what did you try?
[05:03] <g14> FlyingSquirrel32: I believe there is on at google.com
[05:03] <paul_> how do i create a root account so i can config apache?
[05:03] <paulproteus> FlyingSquirrel32: I didn't find anything that really felt satisfying, so I wrote up what all I did.
[05:03] <g14> paul_: Scroll up, they already told you
[05:03] <wesw> paul_ root account exits already, but you have to sudo your password to access it
[05:04] <paul_> well why cant i log into root after i do that, which ive already done
[05:04] <paulproteus> paul_: You have to be specific.  What command do you type, and what do you get in response?  What do you expect to see?
[05:04] <nickrud> eh, I'll learn someday, sorry paul_
[05:04] <paul_> i expect to go in through the menu and config apache thru the gui
[05:04] <wesw> paul_ no error message typically means the command was accepted
[05:05] <benplaut> anyone found a fix to the "kernel panic- not syncing" problem yet?
[05:05] <FlyingSquirrel32> paulproteus, where can I find your notes?
[05:05] <paulproteus> FlyingSquirrel32: http://www.grennan.com/ldap-HOWTO.html isn't bad.
[05:06] <paulproteus> FlyingSquirrel32: http://wiki.acm.jhu.edu/moin/MovingToLdap is my notes.
[05:06] <FlyingSquirrel32> Great. That will help a lot.
[05:06] <benplaut> i hate working on mepis live...
[05:06] <paul_> i have already done the sudo passwd command in terminal, but i cant log in as root user so i can edit my apache config
[05:06] <paulproteus> paul_: What do you type to "log in as root user"?
[05:07] <paul_> root
[05:07] <wesw> should be 'su'
[05:07] <paul_> and pw
[05:07] <paulproteus> You should be typing "su".  After you enter the root password, do you get an error message?
[05:07] <paul_> on the login screen at post
[05:07] <incubii> Set me up the super user
[05:07] <paulproteus> Ah-hah.
[05:07] <paulproteus> I believe that root cannot log in by the GNOME Display Manager.
[05:07] <paulproteus> (I think.  Can anyone else check this?)
[05:07] <wesw> correct
[05:07] <HrdwrBoB> paulproteus: not by default
[05:07] <wesw> gui root disabled by default
[05:08] <incubii> you can set it up to do that though
[05:08] <paul_> grrrr
[05:08] <wesw> yes
[05:08] <wesw> paul_ it is actually a good security move
[05:08] <paulproteus> paul_: Are you using GNOME?  If so, you should find a "Super-User Terminal" option in your menus; that will launch a terminal program that runs as root while you're logged in as an unprivileged user.
[05:08] <paul_> bullshit
[05:08] <Church_of_FoamY> anyone know how to install clamav
[05:08] <kane> hey suse is that why also so stop bitching
[05:08] <nickrud> paul_, if you truly cannot login to a VT with your root password, you've done something wong
[05:08] <wesw> lol....wtf
[05:08] <paulproteus> nickrud: It's GDM he can't log into.
[05:08] <runelind> I'm trying to get wpa_supplicant to work
[05:09] <nickrud> lol
[05:09] <tritium> paul_, what was that for?
[05:09] <paul_> im going back to xandros, too much bs in ubuntu
[05:09] <runelind> and when I try to connect I get Failed to connect to wpa_supplicant - wpa_ctrl_open: No such file or directory
[05:09] <paulproteus> Oh, well.  Paul_ is lost.
[05:09] <wesw> literally
[05:09] <paulproteus> Church_of_FoamY: To install clamav, I believe you can just get it from Synaptic.
[05:10] <runelind> and google actually doesn't know what the problem is :x
[05:10] <nickrud> paul_ I wasn't laughing at you, I was laughing at gdm
[05:10] <tritium> paul_, if you don't like using sudo, enable the root account
[05:10] <Church_of_FoamY> sweet
[05:10] <Church_of_FoamY> thank you
[05:10] <Church_of_FoamY> ^_^
[05:10] <paulproteus> paul_ is gone, you all. :)
[05:10] <psychonate> heh
[05:10] <paulproteus> Church_of_FoamY: Um, are you serious?  Was your question really that easy. :)
[05:10] <Church_of_FoamY> yea
[05:10] <wesw> and here i though Ubunut is really and honestly one of the easiest linux distros ever
[05:10] <wesw> ?
[05:10] <paulproteus> Hooray! :)
[05:10] <Church_of_FoamY> the next one won't be lol
[05:10] <paulproteus> wesw: Old habits die hard.
[05:10] <matt_> newbie question... why ubuntu "better" than debian, fedora, or mepis?
[05:11] <wesw> paulproteus i suppose
[05:11] <incubii> eww fedora
[05:11] <nickrud> wesw, it is, just right now everyone's talking about it's debian roots
[05:11] <paulproteus> matt_: It's better than Debian for desktops because of the frequent release cycle and the focus on getting a good desktop experience on three architectures rather than all thirteen or whatever that Debian supports.
[05:11] <Church_of_FoamY> after i install do i need to run it or is it automated?
[05:11] <wesw> matt_ not better for all.  different.  i like it as well as debian, but easier to use
[05:11] <clay> ubuntu is more up to date than debian
[05:11] <paulproteus> matt_: Better than Fedora because Ubuntu packages so much software.
[05:12] <Tezkah> ubuntu = debian sid made stable every 6 months
[05:12] <wesw> fedora is a pain to update
[05:12] <Tezkah> its beautiful
[05:12] <paulproteus> matt_: Better than MEPIS because (this is a big issue) Ubuntu focuses on delivering an *integrated*, working desktop.
[05:12] <wesw> and lots of packages were broken required for my hardware
[05:12] <wesw> but to each his/her own
[05:12] <paulproteus> In MEPIS, you have XMMS for music playing.
[05:12] <paulproteus> A GTK1 interface.  It's ancient and horrid looking.
[05:12] <nickrud> paulproteus, got that
[05:13] <clay> the only reason i left debian years ago was because it was always out of date
[05:13] <paulproteus> In MEPIS, you have xpdf for PDF viewing.  It looks like total trash.
[05:13] <clay> now that ubuntu is constantly updated, its good again :D
[05:13] <wesw> clay, why not follow testing or unstable then?
[05:13] <paulproteus> Ubuntu's polished GNOME desktop has GPDF and Rhythmbox, which integrate well and share a look-and-feel.
[05:13] <paulproteus> (For example.)
[05:13] <Church_of_FoamY> so how do you run clam av is it automated
[05:13] <clay> testing or unstable is not good for production machines
[05:13] <incubii> KDE and Amarok
[05:13] <incubii> yeah baby
[05:13] <paulproteus> Church_of_FoamY: Well, you do know there are no viruses for Linux, right?
[05:13] <clay> i also didn't want to spend hours fixing it when unstable broke
[05:13] <matt_> good to hear. great answers...
[05:13] <clay> which was often
[05:13] <incubii> Rythmbox is nice too
[05:13] <Church_of_FoamY> thats what i herd ^_^
[05:13] <wesw> nor is ubuntu buy that measure [in theory] 
[05:14] <Tezkah> paulproteus: there is a virus for Linux
[05:14] <nickrud> clay, I do enjoy the change
[05:14] <Tezkah> its called... GNOME
[05:14] <psychonate> lol
[05:14] <clay> and back then, there was no testing :)
[05:14] <incubii> lol Tezkah
[05:14] <paulproteus> Tezkah: It's called... rhythmbox. :)
[05:14] <clay> only stable and unstable
[05:14] <Church_of_FoamY> hey nothing wrong with gnome
[05:14] <paulproteus> Church_of_FoamY: clamav only catches Windows viruses, as I understand.
[05:14] <wesw> unstable and waaay unstable?
[05:14] <Tezkah> XFCE is GNOME but oh so much more loveable
[05:14] <incubii> its called XF86Config
[05:14] <Daehlie> rythmnbox needs to reverse engineer the itunes sharing protocal so that I would love it more
[05:15] <nickrud> I installed woody floppies directly to unstable, but, I spent a looot of time fixiing it
[05:15] <Church_of_FoamY> another fuckup from the wonderfull world of microsoft
[05:15] <paulproteus> Daehlie: Actually, it's already reverse-engineered.
[05:15] <matt_> I'm guessing I'll need to use the dniswrapper to get my wifi pcimca working like i did in Xandros... didn't detect it automatically
[05:15] <paulproteus> The rhythmbox developers need more ambition.
[05:15] <anto9us> matt_: yes, it's in the main repository
[05:15] <Daehlie> well they need to forward engineer the reverse engineering
[05:15] <kane> i have to deb here crimsun
[05:15] <paulproteus> Daehlie: Right-on. :)
[05:16] <kane> s/to/the
[05:16] <Church_of_FoamY> <-----regesterd linux user (did it today yay!)
[05:16] <wesw> has the naked calendar stuff been outlawed yet by the art developers?
[05:17] <wesw> semi, okay....but business is business [desktops] 
[05:17] <ice_1963> when you get on top lol
[05:17] <ice_1963> one
[05:20] <incubii> registered, to what ?
[05:20] <nickrud> anyone need help getting java installed :)
[05:20] <incubii> java PPC would be nice ;)
[05:20] <Daehlie> i believe ubuntu has a faq for that not
[05:20] <Daehlie> now
[05:20] <nickrud> incubii, does sun have it?
[05:21] <matt_> can i access my c drive ntfs on ubuntu?
[05:21] <incubii> nope
[05:21] <incubii> :D
[05:21] <nickrud> heh
[05:21] <wesw> matt_ yes
[05:21] <matt_> thx
[05:21] <wesw> np
[05:21] <wesw> ntfs is scarily unsecure
[05:21] <daniels> wesw: the calendar is not used by default
[05:21] <incubii> blackdown does apparently
[05:21] <Ignacio_> which p2p program (as emule) can I use with ubuntu?
[05:22] <incubii> but java doesnt offer anything worth while installing it
[05:22] <wesw> daniels, thanks...been awhile since i've done a fresh install
[05:22] <matt_> My xp system has had two dozen plus trojans, spywarez, and viri on it... I'm so sick of it all
[05:22] <wesw> matt_ welcome to ubuntu!  leave your window worries behind you
[05:22] <wesw> however, if you play game, get a game console
[05:22] <Quest-Master> matt_: Aren't we all. ;)
[05:23] <matt_> but up till now I've found linux to technical... I've tried Xandros this weekend, and just now am trying ubuntu... looks good
[05:23] <nickrud> incubii, but i kept hearing it, so, I got one
[05:23] <paulproteus> matt_: That's covered in the ubuntuguide at ubuntuguide.org .
[05:23] <incubii> lol
[05:23] <incubii> its just like flash and shockwave
[05:23] <_kevin> in the near future will linux be able to write to NTFS paritions, or are their some kind of copyright laws protecting write on NTFS
[05:23] <incubii> any site ive come across that uses that shit you dont need anyway
[05:23] <Ignacio_> there is any start up guide of ubuntu?
[05:24] <nickrud> incubii, :)
[05:24] <wesw> _kevin not legal i've heard of only possibly corruption if written to
[05:24] <wesw> not legal problem that is
[05:24] <incubii> captive ntfs
[05:24] <rm3m> excuse me, what's the protocol here about asking questions? I'm new here.
[05:24] <_kevin> just ask
[05:24] <wesw> just blurt it out rm3m
[05:25] <tritium> rm3m, you're always free to ask questions :)
[05:25] <rm3m> thanks. FYI, just installed Ubuntu a couple of days ago on a 333 MHz iMac (5-flavor, i.e., 2nd generation model) with 96 MB RAM.
[05:25] <wesw> newbies:  another good source http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[05:25] <rm3m> Not fast, but then, neither was OS 9!
[05:26] <benplaut> any fix yet to the "Kernel Panic- not syncing" problem after upgrading the kernel?
[05:26] <tritium> rm3m, nice!
[05:26] <paulproteus> rm3m: Rock on.  (iBook G4 here.)
[05:26] <rm3m> I have it talking to my G5 OS X Mac and vice versa.
[05:26] <wesw> benplaut second time i've seen your question.  still i don't know anything about that panic.  is it specific to your hardware?
[05:27] <paulproteus> benplaut: Um, switch back to your old kernel? ;)
[05:27] <rm3m> BUT... I've got a networked GCC 608 Elite printer (IP address) and a shared Epson C84.
[05:27] <Tezkah> I'm quite pleased with Ubuntu, debian testing didn't do powernow properly on my laptop... overheated twice before I gave up... now ubuntu is keeping it cooler than Windows =)
[05:27] <benplaut> paulproteus: i was using the ubuntu update manager frontend, and it didn't create a backup... stupid of me...
[05:28] <rm3m> I can "see" them on the network, but don't know how to get printers set up properly. Could be I can't get the right drivers, but I just don't know how to install.
[05:28] <benplaut> wesw: well, just a pretty much standard IBM Thinkpad T40
[05:28] <X7C> i installed ubuntu on my printer and send stuff through my cellphone.........
[05:28] <rm3m> Anyone know how to do this? (I know, it should be pretty stock stuff)
[05:28] <ukato> hello everyone, if i'm like brand new to linux/ubuntu, do i need to go somewhere to ask questions, or can i ask them here?
[05:28] <wesw> benplaut have you tried your previous kernel or safe mode?
[05:29] <wesw> ukato ask here if you like
[05:29] <tritium> rm3m, did you try using Sytem->Administration->Printing
[05:29] <benplaut> wesw: there is no option to boot into the previous kernel
[05:29] <benplaut> i'll try safe mode... i think i did already
[05:29] <_kevin> which desktop system has more development and support and is overall better ubuntu with gnome or kubuntu with kde?
[05:29] <tritium> benplaut, you're referring to the security update from earlier today?
[05:29] <Church_of_FoamY> aperson is bo longer aperson
[05:29] <Tezkah> ubuntu is more stable
[05:29] <benplaut> tritium: yes
[05:29] <Tezkah> kubuntu is still in testing
[05:29] <wesw> benplaut, there should be shortly after restart.  you'll have to watch tht screen carefully and hit escape when prompted
[05:30] <rm3m> or point me at the right docs. Yes, I did go into Admin -> printers
[05:30] <_kevin> well i was asking more about gnome vs kde
[05:30] <tritium> benplaut, I've not heard of any problems with it
[05:30] <ukato> ok, well, all i've used is windows, and i downloaded a third party program to install on my ubuntu system
[05:30] <twobitsprite> when I run "cdrecord -checkdrive" I get "cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/sg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver."
[05:30] <ukato> it came in a .deb file
[05:30] <benplaut> wesw: yes, i know... i've been through lots of problems with grub already :)
[05:30] <ukato> and i don't know what to do with it
[05:30] <wesw> benplaut, also LCD screens are often slow to refresh and may delay long enough you don't see the prompt
[05:30] <griffonz> anyone point me in the right direction for getting XViD/DiVX files playing via mplayer or similar?
[05:30] <wesw> benplaut, okay
[05:30] <Tezkah> ukato: a third party program for Linux?
[05:30] <ukato> tezkah mhm
[05:31] <Tezkah> what format is it in?
[05:31] <ukato> tezkah, .deb
[05:31] <Tezkah> all right
[05:31] <abarbaccia> griffonz, check the ubuntuguide
[05:31] <Tezkah> "sudo dpkg -i program.deb"
[05:31] <tritium> ukato, you can use dpkg to install .deb files you install, but be careful, since it's not from an ubuntu repository
[05:31] <Tezkah> yeah, be wary
[05:31] <wesw> benplaut, dare to reinstall?  i've don't it about a dozen times before i finally cracked the codes to keeping it configured right.  i'm sure someone with more experience there would be of more help though.
[05:31] <kane> dpkg -i (file name)
[05:31] <rm3m> it's open now, and "sees" both printers
[05:31] <ukato> well, if it's from a reputable provider it's not a big deal, right
[05:31] <benplaut> wesw: last resort, but i might have to
[05:32] <Tezkah> usually, if its compatible with ubuntu
[05:32] <wallflower> my install stoped @ 25% "Setting up primary installation repository..."
[05:32] <wallflower> should i just wait?
[05:32] <benplaut> i g2g2dinner, so if anyone else has wisdom in this matter
[05:32] <benplaut> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36573
[05:32] <ukato> anything that's compatible with debian should be compatible with ubuntu, correct?
[05:32] <tritium> ukato, it depends on how carefully the packager follows the debian policy, really
[05:32] <kane> ukato:  just make sure you have all the libs it need
[05:32] <paulproteus> ukato: "Pretty much."
[05:32] <wesw> benplaut, also don't chmod your / root filesystem....one of my greatest learning snafus!
[05:32] <ukato> a lib?
[05:32] <ukato> system library, right
[05:33] <mebaran151> how do you include a bind mount in fstab
[05:33] <Tezkah> don't rm -rf your / either
[05:33] <tritium> ukato, what is it, exactly?
[05:33] <kane> library
[05:33] <ukato> tritium, the program?
[05:33] <ukato> skype
[05:33] <kane> yes
[05:33] <mebaran151> tritium, how do I include a bind mount in fstab
[05:33] <tritium> mebaran151, a bind mount?
[05:33] <paulproteus> mebaran151: Here's the cool kids' way. ;)
[05:34] <paulproteus> mebaran151: Step 1. Mount it.
[05:34] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:34] <mebaran151> you know
[05:34] <paulproteus> mebaran151: Step 2: Look in /etc/mtab for the line that mentions it.
[05:34] <mebaran151> mount --bind /dir /dir2
[05:34] <egg|hardened> hey all
[05:34] <paulproteus> mebaran151: Step 3: Copy that line verbatim to /etc/fstab.
[05:34] <mebaran151> oh paulproteus you are clever
[05:34] <phutter> this may be a dumb question, but is it possible to write to an NTFS partition?
[05:34] <nootrope> hello people
[05:34] <Church_of_FoamY> so kubuntu is still in testing?
[05:34] <matt_> (nuB comment) although linux is more secure, it must be a hassle to use and set up. it appears so damn complicated to do everything....
[05:34] <wesw> phutter, possible, yes.  suggested, no.
[05:34] <crimsun> phutter: not by default
[05:34] <phutter> i hate to admit it, but i still have a windows partition
[05:35] <crimsun> Church_of_FoamY: no, it released with ubuntu
[05:35] <tritium> mebaran151, I've never used --bind, but I believe it should be as paulproteus explained
[05:35] <Church_of_FoamY> oh ok
[05:35] <tritium> hello crimsun
[05:35] <mebaran151> tritium
[05:35] <paulproteus> tritium: Try it sometime.  You can warp your idea of the filesystem real fast. :)
[05:35] <mebaran151> makes sense the way it does it
[05:35] <cody> hey
[05:35] <wesw> matt_ not hard, just different.  easy once you get used to it
[05:35] <rm3m> the printers show in the window and say they're ready, but if I print a test page, it disappears right away from the status page, and the Printers window show the printer "Ready" with "1 jobs" and the printer does nothng.
[05:35] <mebaran151> I use --bind
[05:35] <mebaran151> when I cant symlink something
[05:35] <ukato> tritium, when i do "sudo dpkg -i (filename).deb" do i need a full filename
[05:35] <mebaran151> because it contains symlinks
[05:35] <nootrope> i tried to boot up the Live CD of Hoary... just now. it failed to load the "preset session" does that make any sense ot anyone?
[05:35] <tritium> paulproteus, I suppose if I need to, I will ;)
[05:35] <cody> i have a Q if anyone can help me
[05:35] <wesw> matt_ i bet you've had years of exposure to other OS though
[05:36] <tritium> ukato, yes, specify the full path to the file
[05:36] <ukato> ohhh
[05:36] <ukato> okay
[05:36] <ukato> cool something happened
[05:36] <ukato> it says "libqt3c102-mt" is not installed
[05:36] <ukato> is there an easy way to grab that
[05:36] <matt_> wesw  very true... I've liked discovering apt-get.  Xandros had xandros networks for easy installation.
[05:37] <kane> ukato:  i believe it in qt-devel
[05:37] <tritium> ukato, yes, it's available in the repos
[05:37] <wesw> matt_ i've only moved from windows to linux last august, and won't be looking back!
[05:38] <ukato> what's the command to download it
[05:38] <Tezkah> "sudo apt-get install *package name*"
[05:38] <tritium> ^^^
[05:38] <ukato> okay thanks
[05:39] <kane> ukato:  its part of a big package
[05:39] <matt_> wesw good to hear.  Its weird. I've been wanting to move into opensource for years but it's always been way to complated to get a working system up
[05:39] <tritium> ukato, i.e., "sudo apt-get (or aptitude) install libqt3c102-mt"
[05:39] <Church_of_FoamY> hey me and my freinds where having a discussion today it wen't like this:
[05:39] <Church_of_FoamY> when you get a harddrive it wieghs a certain amount
[05:39] <wesw> matt_ there certainly is a learning curve!  however, don't fret, the community is great and Ubunto is a good distro to start with
[05:39] <ukato> does ubuntu handle the superuser differently than most distros
[05:40] <Church_of_FoamY> when you put data on it does it weigh more?
[05:40] <Tezkah> no
[05:40] <HrdwrBoB> ukato: yes and no
[05:40] <ukato> it didn't ask for a root password creation
[05:40] <Tezkah> Church_of_FoamY: would a 0 weigh more than a 1?
[05:40] <HrdwrBoB> ukato: ubuntu essentially works with and ecnouranges use of the 'sudo' command
[05:40] <Church_of_FoamY> yes
[05:40] <Church_of_FoamY> would it?
[05:40] <HrdwrBoB> ukato: 'sudo' will run a command as root
[05:40] <tritium> ukato, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:40] <ukato> so, just use sudo whenever i'd use root?
[05:40] <tritium> Church_of_FoamY, no, of course not ;)
[05:41] <Church_of_FoamY> i was thinking maybe on a quantum level
[05:41] <HrdwrBoB> Church_of_FoamY: it's mass cannot change unless you add matter, it's that simple
[05:41] <HrdwrBoB> ukato: yep
[05:41] <mebaran151> why am I supposed to bind moutn?
[05:41] <ukato> oh alright
[05:41] <mebaran151> oh I used it also in a network setting once
[05:41] <mebaran151> forgot why
[05:41] <ukato> thanks
[05:41] <mebaran151> it is a dirty way to mess things up
[05:41] <ukato> so, where do i access all my programs from
[05:41] <HrdwrBoB> what do you mean?
[05:41] <kane> Church_of_FoamY:  its only a - or + charge
[05:41] <mebaran151> can I bind mount over a partition
[05:41] <ukato> well
[05:41] <matt_> wesw what I see so far looks really solid!  the installation was worrying me with all the text info during install, that it would be too technical of distro.  But I like that ppl say it's regularly updated and lots of software ready to install.
[05:41] <mebaran151> like if I have a 20 GB parition
[05:42] <mebaran151> and a 5 GB
[05:42] <Church_of_FoamY> but when you change a 0 to a 1 arn't you adding matter in the for of electricity?
[05:42] <mebaran151> and I want them both to contain /movie
[05:42] <mebaran151> can I do that
[05:42] <ukato> i don't know anything but windows, but there's a program files folder
[05:42] <ukato> what's the equivalent to that
[05:42] <mebaran151>  /usr
[05:42] <kane> Church_of_FoamY:  no
[05:42] <nootrope> please advise how to get the Live CD to boot up. it fails to the installation menu after hanging at 26% while installing Language
[05:42] <mebaran151> is sort of close
[05:42] <ukato> hm
[05:42] <HrdwrBoB> Church_of_FoamY: the storage is about magnetic alignment, not electricity
[05:42] <ukato> so if i just installed something
[05:42] <HrdwrBoB> ukato: there isn't
[05:42] <Church_of_FoamY> what do you need to know about windows
[05:42] <Tezkah> nootrope: a "LiveCD" doesn't install anything
[05:43] <HrdwrBoB> ukato: most likely you could just run 'programname' on the command line
[05:43] <Church_of_FoamY> weard  i was thinking it would lol
[05:43] <ukato> oh really?
[05:43] <nootrope> selscting the next step in the installation, something about a "preloaded session" fails again and again
[05:43] <tritium> Church_of_FoamY, no, it's magnetic, for one thing.  You're just changing magnetic properties, not adding any mass
[05:43] <HrdwrBoB> ukato: either that or it'll be in the menu
[05:43] <ukato> damn, that was cool.
[05:43] <Tezkah> you may be using the install disk
[05:43] <Church_of_FoamY> oh ok that makes sence
[05:43] <Tezkah> what language are you using?
[05:43] <lampshade> even if it was electrical, you usually don't remove protons...  just electrons on and off
[05:43] <HrdwrBoB> sense, not sence
[05:43] <nootrope> it calls it installation nonetheless Tezkah
[05:43] <Church_of_FoamY> hmmm
[05:43] <nootrope> English
[05:43] <matt_> Any tips how to put a link under "places" to my other partitions?
[05:44] <Church_of_FoamY> thats what a freind was sayin lol
[05:44] <Tezkah> nootrope: so how did you get the CD?
[05:44] <nootrope> i d.l-ed the Live disc
[05:44] <Church_of_FoamY> damn i though i was thinking something neat lol
[05:44] <Tezkah> matt_: mount your other partitions under /places/space1 ?
[05:44] <ukato> ok
[05:44] <ukato> one more question
[05:44] <nootrope> d/lfro the ubuntu site, Tezkah
[05:44] <Tezkah> nootrope: the livecd should just boot to a GNOME (?) desktop
[05:44] <ukato> my windows aren't flashing when something happens, like i get a message in GAIM
[05:44] <Tezkah> it shouldn't try to install anything
[05:44] <ukato> can i fix that
[05:44] <Church_of_FoamY> you say tomato i say tomato ok lol
[05:45] <Tezkah> ukato: go into gaim, plugins -> message notification
[05:45] <lampshade> ukato:  Actually I think there is an options in your options for it.  Ubuntu might have it off by default
[05:45] <Church_of_FoamY> and i spelt that wrong to lol
[05:45] <Tezkah> "set window URGENT hint"
[05:45] <Tezkah> check it off
[05:45] <paulproteus> In GNOME, window flashing does not work for now.
[05:45] <tritium> Church_of_FoamY, "too" even ;)
[05:45] <nootrope> it tries, i guess, but fails to the "installation menu" after hanging for a while at the step when it tries to raise the language support.
[05:45] <Church_of_FoamY> lol
[05:46] <paulproteus> There is a patch you can install that does make it work - see https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10594
[05:46] <paulproteus> It's a pain, and I wish GNOME would just fix it.
[05:46] <nootrope> Tezkah, i d/l-ed this file: ubuntu-5.04-live-i386.iso and burned it to disk
[05:46] <blablablabla> anyone got mono from breezy runninng hoary? I'm trying to install it, but it says it depends one some packages which are not going to be installed ... that even happens when installing gtk-sharp while having mono from hoary installed. Do you think I've messed up something with my pinning setup?
[05:47] <daniels> blablablabla: yes
[05:47] <egg|hardened> blahblah
[05:47] <mebaran151> bind mount it
[05:47] <mebaran151> what would rbind be different from
[05:48] <mebaran151> how is bind different from rbind
[05:48] <mebaran151> is rbind recursive or something
[05:48] <nootrope> Tezkah,it fails at a step on the boot sequence that attempts something about a "preloaded session"
[05:49] <tritium> nootrope, did you check the md5sum of the .iso to verify that it was correct?
[05:49] <blablablabla> daniels:  I got an APT::Default-Release "hoary"; in me /etc/apt/apt.conf, added sources from breezy and aded Two Sections to /etc/apt/prefernces which set hoary's pin-priority to 900, and breezy's to 20. That seems correct to me ... any ideas?
[05:49] <nootrope> I'll do that, tritium...brb
[05:50] <ukato> okay
[05:50] <ukato> thanks for all the help guys
[05:50] <daniels> blablablabla: gtk-sharp from breezy will depend on exact versions of gtk from breezy
[05:50] <daniels> which may or may not mean upgrading a whole bunch of shit
[05:50] <daniels> mixing the two won't be pleasant
[05:50] <rixth> Trying to open ANY folder on an NTFS drive, I get a box popping up saying "Opening "DIRNAME". You can stop this operation by clicking cancel."
[05:51] <blablablabla> daniels: I  tried with gtk-sharp vom hoary, but that was just a test. I want to install mono vom breezy ...
[05:51] <thayboiMu> hey
[05:51] <thayboiMu> anyone here use linux dc++?
[05:51] <saber_> What happened to transcode ?!
[05:51] <saber_> Why isn't it in the repository?
[05:51] <tritium> saber_, it never has been.  It's in Marillat's repo
[05:52] <crimsun> it didn't build due to unsatisified build dependencies
[05:52] <crimsun> but as tritium stated, it's in debian-marillat
[05:52] <saber_> oh. that's strange
[05:52] <blablablabla> daniels: on my debian box I just added APT::Default-Release "testing"; to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50release whcih does what I'd like to do with my ubuntu ... but there it doesn't seem to work ...
[05:52] <blablablabla> ls
[05:53] <paulproteus> Uh, default release testing?
[05:53] <paulproteus> I think you mean "warty" or "hoary".
[05:53] <rixth> Trying to open ANY folder on an NTFS drive, I get a box popping up saying "Opening "DIRNAME". You can stop this operation by clicking cancel." How can I access the files within the dir? If I cd to it from the command line and then type 'dir' it just stays there. The dir listing doesn't come up, nor does it drop me back to a command line.
[05:54] <paulproteus> thayboiMu: Yeah, I've used dcgui_qt .
[05:54] <paulproteus> It doesn't look very good, though.
[05:54] <blablablabla> paulproteus: that one was taken from my debian box
[05:54] <thayboiMu> do you know what port we open in there?
[05:54] <thayboiMu> i can't get people file share
[05:54] <paulproteus> thayboiMu: I always used passive mode, I dunno.
[05:54] <thayboiMu> oh
[05:54] <paulproteus> blablablabla: Right.  On Ubuntu, you use Ubuntu releases.
[05:54] <paulproteus> Not Debian releases.
[05:54] <paulproteus> Otherwise you'd be running Debian....
[05:55] <blablablabla> I know, on the ubuntu box I added hoary instead of testing.
[05:55] <matt_> in the terminal how do I mount /dev/hda1 ?
[05:55] <matt_> (I'm a total newB)
[05:56] <Tezkah> first you make the mount point
[05:56] <Tezkah> so if you want to mount it, at, for example, /media/hda1, you would "sudo mkdir /media/hda1"
[05:56] <xenos> I really need help, I Downloaded xine-lib-1.0.1.tar.gz but i have no idea how to get it to work? can someone help me?
[05:57] <xenos> anyone?
[05:57] <hyphenated> xenos: why did you download that, instead of apt-getting xine?
[05:57] <Tezkah> then, you would mount it.  assuming it is an ntfs drive:  "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /media/hda1"
[05:57] <stuNNed> xenos: use packages xine in repos, no?
[05:57] <nickrud> matt_, that's your windows drive?
[05:58] <benplaut> *burps
[05:58] <xenos> im confused
[05:58] <rixth> Come on guys! I really need help with this! >> Trying to open ANY folder on an NTFS drive, I get a box popping up saying "Opening "DIRNAME". You can stop this operation by clicking cancel." How can I access the files within the dir? If I cd to it from the command line and then type 'dir' it just stays there. The dir listing doesn't come up, nor does it drop me back to a command line.
[05:58] <xenos> stuNNed: what do you mean
[05:58] <saber_> how are you mounting the drive, rixth?
[05:58] <metrix> i'm trying to do an apt-get dist-upgrade right after installed just the base with the warty cd set, and after downloading all the packages I get an error that it can't download some files. one being an the program xpdf.. what should I do?
[05:58] <paulproteus> rixth: No one answered because, well, that's a very strange error.
[05:58] <nakor> can somebody help me make my card reader work? no driver is loaded for it, usb-storage ignores it.
[05:58] <metrix> running an apt-get update does not fix the problem
[05:58] <tritium> xenos, there are libxine1 and libxine-dev packages in the repositories
[05:58] <matt_> nickrud yup...  I liked how xandros automatically set up all my partitions mounted and ready
[05:59] <rixth> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdd1 /mnt/ntfs
[05:59] <synic> xenos: go to http://www.ubuntuguide.org and look for "installing xine"
[05:59] <xenos> tritium: is that the directory of where all the files are?
[05:59] <metrix> excuse me, i'm doing an apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[05:59] <hyphenated> xenos: don't private message me, please
[05:59] <paulproteus> metrix: Do you have a CD mentioned in your sources.list?
[05:59] <nickrud> matt_, it's a secrurity thing, if you can't access windows, you can't hurt it :)
[05:59] <saber_> have you checked the integrity of the file system, rixth?
[05:59] <tritium> xenos, no, those are package names
[05:59] <saber_> the file system might be corrupt.
[05:59] <stuNNed> xenos: um xine is available through synaptic, if it's not enable the repo's that allow it to be :)
[05:59] <stuNNed> hi tritium
[05:59] <rixth> How does one do that?
[05:59] <tritium> hi stuNNed
[05:59] <metrix> I probably do. do I need to remove it paulproteus?
[05:59] <paulproteus> You would want to run chkdsk from Windows.
[05:59] <abarbaccia> can someone please help me out- i'm having terrible trouble with gettign a script to run at boottime, i created the script in the init.d dir, ran update-rc.d with the *correct* settings, and still no dice
[05:59] <saber_> well, scan disk...
[06:00] <paulproteus> metrix: If you have network repositories and a CD one, drop the CD one.
[06:00] <saber_> you would do that from windows
[06:00] <paulproteus> Comment it out.
[06:00] <metrix> ok cool thank you paulproteus
[06:00] <mebaran151> when is Breezy going to get fixed
[06:00] <mebaran151> I had to bind mount mplayer
[06:00] <mebaran151> because it was being silly
[06:00] <saber_> of rather, disk defragment, since scan disk is not in XP
[06:00] <saber_> or
[06:00] <paulproteus> metrix: "Thank me when it works."
[06:00] <synic> mebaran151: and you wonder why they call it beta
[06:00] <daniels> mebaran151: 'PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET -- REALLY', from the topic
[06:00] <mebaran151> yeah
[06:00] <abarbaccia> bob2 you always know the answers - i'm having big trouble with this and can't figure it out
[06:00] <saber_> well, i guess it is, because on a hard boot windows will scan your disk....
[06:00] <mebaran151> I was wondering why
[06:00] <rixth> saber_, from Linux, how do I do it.
[06:00] <mebaran151> it is that silly font problem
[06:00] <mello> when I try to install gstreamer0.8-faad I get this message: gstreamer0.8-faad:
[06:00] <mello> Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[06:00] <mello> I can't install 2.3.2.ds1-21 because I can't find it. All I see is 20.
[06:01] <nickrud> matt, sudo mount -t [vtat|ntfs]  -ro,noexec /dev/hda1 /mnt
[06:01] <saber_> not possible, rixth
[06:01] <mebaran151> that forces you to use the cli
[06:01] <mello> can anyone help?
[06:01] <rixth> fsck?
[06:01] <spinifex> hello.  I would like to report something awesome that has never happened to me before!  I plugged a new piece of hardware in to a usb slot which I've never used on this OS before-- it's a playstation controller run through a RadioShack USB converter.  This usually requires installing drivers from a floppy, with no other way to acquire them, in order to work in windows.  I just plugged it in and started zsnes, and it was instantly able to take in
[06:01] <saber_> the support isn't there, rixth
[06:01] <xenos> stuNNed: well i dont have any idea what your talking about your vocabulary is too advanced for someone with my low intalect regarding ubuntu linux
[06:01] <spinifex> I expected to have to set tons of crap up, seeing as this is linux
[06:01] <stuNNed> spinifex: very awesome
[06:01] <abarbaccia> spinifex, sounds exciting!
[06:01] <hyphenated> spinifex: welcome to the wonderful world of linux ;-)
[06:01] <mebaran151> spinifex, plug and play
[06:01] <tritium> xenos, no worries, what are you trying to do?
[06:02] <stuNNed> xenos: do you know of synaptic package manager in ubuntu?
[06:02] <mebaran151> it isnt a dream any more
[06:02] <Madpilot> spinifex: nice when it all just works, isn't it?
[06:02] <spinifex> but..  it's never happened before that something actually...  instantly works
[06:02] <hyphenated> spinifex: for more fun, plug a USB mouse into every available USB port and see what happens
[06:02] <hyphenated> while X is running
[06:02] <xenos> stuNNed: no, what is it?
[06:02] <spinifex> lol.  *grabs one*
[06:02] <matt_> tezkah thanks! Now I see hda1 listed under media, but it says I don't have permissions to view
[06:02] <Madpilot> hyphenated: so, what happens with that many mice?
[06:02] <mebaran151> I had to complie mplayer from source
[06:02] <mebaran151> I have a silly question
[06:02] <Tezkah> matt_: yeah, I had to set it up in /etc/fstab to have my user as the owner
[06:02] <xenos> stuNNed: no, what is it?
[06:02] <mebaran151> why does my computer hard lock and halt
[06:02] <hyphenated> unlike when I've tried the same thing on windows, linux/xfree/xorg quite happily lets all the mice coexist
[06:02] <benplaut> OK, i'm going to try safe mode... wish me luck!
[06:02] <paulproteus> lol, "every available USB port"
[06:03] <mebaran151> every time that I have a little X activity
[06:03] <benplaut> and rid me of Mepis ;)
[06:03] <mebaran151> and I am encoding
[06:03] <mebaran151> using mencoder
[06:03] <mebaran151> I am using a sata hdd
[06:03] <blablablabla> anyone here running mono from breezy?
[06:03] <abarbaccia> blablablabla, dont bother
[06:03] <mebaran151> and I believe that it only occurs when I am doing large amounts of IO
[06:03] <abarbaccia> blablablabla, go into #ubuntu-motu and read topic
[06:03] <xenos> stuNNed: no, what is it?
[06:03] <xenos> stuNNed: no, what is it?
[06:03] <xenos> stuNNed: no, what is it?
[06:03] <xenos> stuNNed: no, what is it?
[06:03] <xenos> stuNNed: no, what is it?
[06:03] <spinifex> wow I love ubuntu
[06:03] <stuNNed> xenos: calm down whoa
[06:03] <abarbaccia> xenos, please dont do that any more
[06:03] <crimsun> xenos: please control the flooding
[06:03] <mebaran151> if only it wasnt so brown
[06:03] <xenos> stuNNed: ok sorry
[06:04] <mebaran151> why cant we have a blue color scheme like Fedora
[06:04] <hyphenated> mebaran151: heh, my kubuntu setup isn't brown ;-)
[06:04] <xenos> stuNNed: if your writing something long tell me
[06:04] <rixth> saber_, lets say the file system is fine (last I knew it was). DId I need to specify something else when I mounted?
[06:04] <stuNNed> xenos: look in menu under 'System' -> 'Administration'
[06:04] <mebaran151> I like XFCE myself
[06:04] <hyphenated> each to their own
[06:04] <mebaran151> and I hate the QT widget set
[06:04] <Tezkah> I'm using icewm now
[06:04] <mebaran151> but the default is so brown
[06:04] <metrix> doh.. that did not fix the problem... I am getting an err http://archive.ubuntu.org hoary/main ip 82.211.81.151 not found
[06:04] <paulproteus> mebaran151: Sounds like the kernel and your SATA card don't get along.
[06:04] <mebaran151> cant we make it red
[06:04] <blablablabla> abarbaccia: Are thos dependency problems normal?
[06:04] <Tezkah> but I like KDE and GNOME
[06:04] <benplaut> goodbye, all!
[06:04] <Tezkah> and love XFCE
[06:04] <stuNNed> bye benplaut
[06:04] <mebaran151> paulproteus, I have sata_nv
[06:04] <x\> xenos sounds like "senos" which means "breasts" in spanish
[06:04] <mebaran151> it should work I would think
[06:05] <mebaran151> pretty popular chipset
[06:05] <egg|hardened> i love free beer
[06:05] <paulproteus> egg|hardened: free speech is better
[06:05] <abarbaccia> blablablabla, its all buggy - because things are being changed and mono depends on those things, so until the prereqs are correct, mono can't be adjusted
[06:05] <xenos> x\: i made up my name randomly
[06:05] <spinifex> this is fun times.  I even got my Tablet Screen working with Ubuntu, though it took a teeny bit of configuring
[06:05] <mebaran151> which is better
[06:05] <mebaran151> caca or aalib
[06:05] <abarbaccia> blablablabla, breezy is ugly for right now because of gcc transition
[06:05] <xenos> stuNNed: do i look for device manager?
[06:05] <paulproteus> mebaran151: aalib is harder-core.  You must run the program "bb" to see this.
[06:05] <paulproteus> "bb" rocks.
[06:05] <paulproteus> cacalib is slightly cooler and easier to see.
[06:05] <stuNNed> xenos: no, it's under the 'System' menu
[06:05] <stuNNed> xenos: not 'Applications'
[06:06] <mebaran151> abarbaccia, harder core
[06:06] <mebaran151> sorry
[06:06] <blablablabla> abarbaccia: that sucks, I just wanted to have an uptodate mono ...
[06:06] <mebaran151> I mean paulproteus, harder core
[06:06] <mebaran151> how can an ascii art library be hardcore
[06:06] <xenos> stuNNed: i realize that, what do i look for under administration?
[06:06] <mebaran151> it seems difficult
[06:06] <paulproteus> mebaran151: Not at all! :)
[06:06] <abarbaccia> think of late august
[06:06] <mebaran151> like what makes it hardcore
[06:06] <stuNNed> xenos: 'Synaptic Package Manager'
[06:06] <mebaran151> as compared to caca
[06:06] <metrix> I am getting an err http://archive.ubuntu.org hoary/main ip xpdf-comon 404 not found [ip: 82.211.81.151]  not found when trying to do an apt-get install ubuntu-desktop.. does anyone have any suggestions to get around this?
[06:06] <mebaran151> caca is nice and pretty colored
[06:06] <mebaran151> any real advantages
[06:06] <xenos> stuNNed: ok i found it
[06:07] <paulproteus> metrix: Have you done 'apt-get update'?
[06:07] <mebaran151> I am just playing mplayer movies through it
[06:07] <xenos> stuNNed: now what?
[06:07] <paulproteus> mebaran151: If you watch "bb", I think you may understand.
[06:07] <metrix> paulproteus: yes I have
[06:07] <mebaran151> where do you get bb
[06:07] <abarbaccia> blablablabla, think of late august
[06:07] <tritium> metrix, also, did you spell "common" correctly?
[06:07] <spinifex> just wanted to share the love.  ttyl
[06:07] <blablablabla> abarbaccia: I think of backporting ...
[06:07] <paulproteus> mebaran151: It comes with aalib, I think.
[06:07] <mebaran151> oh
[06:07] <mebaran151> aalib-bin
[06:07] <mebaran151> cool
[06:08] <abarbaccia> blablablabla, do what you must...but backports might not work because of the amount of things being changed, and its going to break all the tiem
[06:08] <matt_> is "sudo" a way of accessing as root?
[06:08] <xenos> stuNNed: btw thank you for helping me, i know how anoying newbs can be
[06:08] <metrix> tritium: no I did not. that is the error message though, that is not the command i typed.. sorry for the mistake
[06:08] <mebaran151> paulproteus, path
[06:08] <kane> na just do apt-get install bb
[06:08] <stuNNed> xenos: launch it, enable your extra repos there with it, search for xine, and install it :)
[06:08] <mebaran151> please
[06:08] <paulproteus>  /usr/bin/bb
[06:08] <tritium> metrix, no problem.  Glad that solved it :)
[06:08] <mebaran151> no file
[06:08] <mebaran151> hmm
[06:08] <nootrope> tritium: the MD5 checks out. maybe there's an error on the CD. can i MD5 the CD?
[06:08] <xenos> stuNNed: ok thank you
[06:08] <metrix> tritium: no! it didn't fix it! :/
[06:09] <paulproteus> metrix: Did you run apt-get update?
[06:09] <metrix> I still get that error when I do an apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[06:09] <blablablabla> abarbaccia: my debian system runs with backports, mixed testing and unstable for years now ... so I think get that problem solved somehow
[06:09] <metrix> paulproteus yes I did, but I will do it again right now to triple-check
[06:10] <xenos> stuNNed: wait where do i enable the extras, im in the repos but i dont see what to do.
[06:10] <metrix> paulproteus: I just ran apt-get update, and tried again. I am still getting the same error
[06:10] <kane> bb is in universe
[06:10] <paulproteus> metrix: Join me in #flood
[06:10] <metrix> sure
[06:11] <kane> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe bb 1.3rc1-5
[06:11] <mebaran151> ah
[06:11] <mebaran151> it doesnt work with snd
[06:12] <kane> you need libmikmod2
[06:12] <mebaran151> ah
[06:12] <xenos> stuNNed: wait where do i enable the extras, im in the repos but i dont see what to do. Please man if your there
[06:12] <mebaran151> no the sound works
[06:12] <mebaran151> it just stop srendering
[06:12] <mebaran151> I am unsure why it is better than caca
[06:12] <mebaran151> caca has colors
[06:12] <mebaran151> I dont feel like recompiling mplayer
[06:12] <mello> could someone help me fix my repositories so gstreamer0.8-faad will install?
[06:13] <mebaran151> so caca couldn't do that?
[06:13] <crimsun> mello: I suppose you could try the repo listed on wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:13] <mello> crimsun: i did, but it says: gstreamer0.8-faad:
[06:13] <mello> Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[06:13] <kane> mello:  uncomment repositories in /ect/apt/sources.list
[06:13] <mebaran151> I have to admit it is cool
[06:14] <crimsun> mello: not debian-marillat
[06:14] <crimsun> mello: the other
[06:14] <mello> k
[06:15] <xenos> Hey all im in Synaptic Package Manager trying to install xine, someone told me to enable my extra repos then search for xine but i dont know what im doing wrong. can someone expalin to me how to enable my extra repos?
[06:15] <nootrope> ok, tritium. it appears my CD drive is hosed. probably burned a mutant image
[06:15] <Anubis> xenos, sure
[06:15] <tritium> nootrope, ah, okay.  Sounds like it.  the md5sum checked out?
[06:15] <crimsun> xenos: the library or an application that uses it?
[06:15] <xenos> how do i send you a message in red
[06:15] <nootrope> yeah.
[06:15] <nootrope> any way to MD5 the CD?
[06:15] <blablablabla> xenos: uncomment them in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:16] <xenos> i dont understand that
[06:16] <tritium> xenos, both xine-ui and gxine (if you care to try it) are in universe
[06:16] <crimsun> (and totem-xine, too)
[06:16] <xenos> i have xine-lib-1.0.1
[06:16] <tritium> indeed ;)
[06:16] <tritium> xenos, if you want the message highlighted, use the person's nick
[06:17] <crimsun> xenos: from apt or from upstream's web site as a source tarball?
[06:17] <xenos> Grrr.... i dont speak LINUX NERD
[06:17] <xenos> i cant understand anyone here
[06:17] <sri> hi all
[06:17] <incubii> lol
[06:17] <crimsun> xenos: how did you get xine-lib-1.0.1?
[06:18] <xenos> the website
[06:18] <xenos> br
[06:18] <xenos> brb
[06:18] <sri> any update on X on breezy?  or should I be looking to build X myself?
[06:18] <shad0w1e> help! my nvidia drivers are installed properly (and some games even work fine in 3D) but others do not! the reason? I have no libgl.so ... what do I do?
[06:18] <Anubis> xenos, your not going to get much help with that attitude
[06:18] <sri> (re: i updated to breezy back in april before the topic was put up)
[06:18] <crimsun> xenos: you need to enable the universe repo and then install an app like totem-xine
[06:18] <rixth> Whenever I try to ls, dir (or open in Nautilus) a subdirectory in a NTFS drive, just sits there. If Iw as to type root@bear:/mnt/ntfs/Program Files/eMule # ls << It just sits there. Doesn't drop me back to root@bear:/mnt/ntfs/Program Files/eMule # either. Is there a package I need for NTFS support?
[06:19] <crimsun> sri: just don't dist-upgrade
[06:19] <nootrope> hey anyone, any way to MD5 a CD to see if the image is mutated?
[06:19] <crimsun> sri: upgrades should be safe, but there's no guarantee (per usual with the dev branch), etc., etc.
[06:19] <elcu> hello, i get random cpu locks when i log out.  i can hear the cpu fan spinning up, the screen goes black, and it stays that way, forcing me to do a hard reset.  which logs can i check out? tried /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog but am not really sure what to look for.
[06:19] <Anubis> rixth, no just make sure its mounted with the proper permissions, see the ubuntuguide page
[06:20] <laosiano> is there a way to configure xscreensaver to allow new logins when screen is locked??
[06:20] <sri> crimsun: sure.  I did a dist upgrade already unfortunately
[06:20] <paulproteus> elcu: What laptop?
[06:20] <sri> crimsun: :(
[06:20] <crimsun> sri: (recently?{
[06:20] <crimsun> )
[06:20] <elcu> paulproteus: i'm using a desktop
[06:20] <paulproteus> elcu: Oh.
[06:20] <rixth> Anubis, will do. Is it in the wiki?
[06:20] <Anubis> laosiano, good question I think not though
[06:20] <sri> crimsun: yeah..screwed up a lot of stuff :D
[06:20] <crimsun> sri: (a dist-upgrade today would be madness. An upgrade today should be fine.)
[06:20] <xenos> i dont see a universe repo
[06:20] <egg|hardened> nice hehe
[06:20] <elcu> paulproteus: why? is it common with laptops?
[06:21] <sri> crimsun: and I'm okay with that.. if you do breezy, you accept breakage :)
[06:21] <nootrope> ::whistling::
[06:21] <Anubis> rixth, not the wiki I dunno but definately the ubuntu guide http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[06:21] <matt_> how do I add an icon to places-->computer
[06:21] <benplaut> didn't work :(
[06:21] <sri> crimsun: unfortunately, I did..but it's been broken about two days ago or so (when I did a dist-upgrade)
[06:21] <Anubis> matt_, smeg menu-editor
[06:21] <sri> crimsun: so I should from now on, not use dist-upgrade?
[06:21] <xenos> crimsu: i dont see the universe repo there is "hoary Hedgehog, Updates, and Security Updates
[06:21] <matt_> anubis thx
[06:22] <crimsun> sri: you should use upgrade until furthur notice
[06:22] <Anubis> matt_, de nada;)
[06:22] <sri> crimsun: okay
[06:22] <sri> crimsun: thanks for hte warning.
[06:22] <sri> crimsun: any way to fix what I've done so far ?
[06:22] <nickrud> xenos, unless someone tells you otherwise, replace /etc/apt/sources.list with http://pastebin.com/288853, and you'll have universe
[06:22] <benplaut> bunch of new people by now
[06:22] <benplaut> i guess i'll ask again
[06:22] <Anubis> brb
[06:23] <xenos> nickrud: where do i go to find /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:23] <incubii> bloody server, its not enough i bolt you to the rack you gotta chat on irc too now :P
[06:23] <sri> xenos: before you do that, please do mv sources.list to sources.list.old or something because you want to keep the original, just in case.
[06:23] <matt_> anubis  sorry I'm lost smeg isn't a term command.  can u explain more?
[06:23] <nickrud> xenos, heh, ok
[06:23] <benplaut> anyone having problems or know a solution to the "Kernel Panic- not syncing" problem after doing the kernel security update this mornin'?
[06:24] <sri> nickrud: he's linux illiterate, you need to be mroe detailed otherwise you'll mess him up.
[06:24] <elcu> xenos: open a terminal and type: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:24] <xenos> nickrud: If only Microsoft was this complex
[06:24] <nickrud> xenos, do you have a terminal open?
[06:24] <crimsun> elcu: you should suggest gksudo
[06:24] <xenos> i do now
[06:24] <Anubis> matt_, no I'm sorry its a program, you have to install the name is menu-editor or smeg
[06:24] <sri> nickrud: I'd help but my X is hosed :/
[06:24] <nickrud> xenos, microsoft is more complicated, it's just that they hide stuff from you so you don't know
[06:24] <Anubis> matt_, search synaptic for smeg or menu
[06:25] <sri> crimsun: so, I guess I'm going to have to compile X or something or do you think X might be fixed soon?
[06:25] <benplaut> also-
[06:25] <crimsun> sri: no, just need to create a symlink and possible retweak xorg.conf
[06:25] <crimsun> sri: no need to recompile it
[06:25] <sri> xenos: once you figure out the command line it gets very easy, there's a pattern.
[06:25] <crimsun> possibly^
[06:25] <nickrud> xenos, on the top menu, applications-system-tools-root terminal
[06:25] <benplaut> is it possible to use apt on the filesystem through the LiveCD?
[06:25] <sri> crimsun: okay, from what I've seen the diff is that /usr/bin/X11 is gone as well as /usr/lib/X11 yes?
[06:26] <elcu> crimsun: is there any critical difference b/n using sudo and gksudo? (afaict, sudo asks for the password in the terminal while gksudo opened a popup box)
[06:26] <xenos> i opened sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:26] <crimsun> sri: /usr/X11R6/bin to /usr/bin/X11 iirc, but you may wish to ping daniels
[06:26] <nickrud> xenos, kay, exit that :)
[06:26] <laosiano> matt_ get the last smeg 's deb package at  http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/latest/smeg.deb
[06:26] <sri> crimsun: I've tried to tweak the xorg.conf some, so that it looks in the right paths for fonts, but I still haven't fixed
[06:26] <sri> crimsun: okay, no problem.
[06:26] <nickrud> xenos, we're doing root shit
[06:27] <xenos> ok
[06:27] <sri> daniels: dude, can ask a q?
[06:27] <xenos> alright
[06:27] <nickrud> xenos, signed it an all?
[06:27] <nickrud> *in
[06:27] <xenos> i have the root@TardFactory: /home/xenos open
[06:27] <nickrud> xenos, ok, now open the link I gave you
[06:27] <sri> he's better off doign sudo echo "apt line" >> /etc/apt/sources.list (xenos don't do this)
[06:28] <nickrud> xenos, just use firefox, it's the tool
[06:28] <daniels> sri: sure
[06:28] <WindeX> hey, i have a question about running Mplayer on Ubuntu...anyone have any knowledge on that?
[06:28] <sri> daniels: I did a dist-upgrade,and of course Xis somewhat messed..does making symlinks from /usr/bin/X11 to /usr/X11R6/bin and /usr/lib/X11 to /usr/X11R6/lib fix the issue?
[06:28] <tga> WindeX: just ask and you'll find out
[06:28] <Anubis> WindeX, what knowledge?
[06:28] <nickrud> xenos, you need the link again?
[06:29] <sri> daniels: this is on breezy
[06:29] <xenos> ok i opened it
[06:29] <xenos> no
[06:29] <Anubis> WindeX, specific question?
[06:29] <xenos> http://pastebin.com/288853
[06:29] <nickrud> ok, in the root terminal, cd /etc/apt
[06:29] <WindeX> well...when I try to play a file, i can't seem to load any sound drivers
[06:29] <xenos> ok
[06:29] <xenos> done
[06:29] <WindeX> i've tried going through the list on $mplayer -ao help
[06:29] <Anubis> WindeX, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[06:29] <bur[n] er> WindeX: mp3? or anything?
[06:29] <xenos> ...wow this is like dos
[06:29] <sri> gah, telling first timers to use root..bleah.
[06:30] <sri> xenos: heh
[06:30] <Anubis> WindeX, enable esd
[06:30] <nickrud> xenos, now we save the old one, cp sourcesl.list sources.list.ubuntu
[06:30] <nickrud> xenos, now we save the old one, cp sources.list sources.list.ubuntu
[06:30] <Anubis> WindeX, enable alsa
[06:30] <bur[n] er> WindeX: why use mplayer?  rhythmbox, totem, beep-media-player
[06:30] <bur[n] er> xine
[06:30] <Anubis> WindeX, check that link I gave you, its really good.
[06:30] <tga> WindeX: do you get sound from any other apps?
[06:30] <Myrtti> you know what would be a great feature in "Removable drives and media" thing?
[06:30] <xenos> ok nothing happened
[06:30] <WindeX> i get system sound
[06:31] <nickrud> xenos, no, we copied the file, and there were no errors :)
[06:31] <Myrtti> that one could choose whether the deleted things are deleted or just moved to .Trash
[06:31] <tga> WindeX: what is the error?
[06:31] <Anubis> rythm and beep don't play videos do they? And if they do I would not want then too.. Totem is no bad
[06:31] <xenos> ok
[06:31] <xenos> yes
[06:31] <WindeX> it says the sound device is in use and couldn't be opened
[06:31] <nickrud> now, in the terminal, nano sources.list
[06:31] <matt_> which is better xmms or xine?
[06:31] <Anubis> I love nano
[06:32] <Anubis> matt_, for what?
[06:32] <sri> I hate nano
[06:32] <Anubis> lol
[06:32] <xenos> WOOT
[06:32] <xenos> its open
[06:32] <Anubis> I hate vi
[06:32] <tga> sri: use vim
[06:32] <bur[n] er> xmms or xine?  they're kinda different... one is mainly video, one music
[06:32] <sri> tga: as do I
[06:32] <sri> tga: of course I can use emacs too..depends on what I'm doing.
[06:32] <nickrud> I use vim and nano interchangably
[06:32] <Anubis> vim makes me sad
[06:32] <Anubis> ;)
[06:32] <nickrud> depends on what condition my install is in
[06:32] <xenos> \nickrud now?
[06:32] <bur[n] er> WindeX: http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[06:33] <Anubis> but its mad powerful though
[06:33] <bur[n] er> vim is slow
[06:33] <sri> it sur eis
[06:33] <matt_> oh ya...  so xmms is like winamp?  how about xine vs totem?  Totem seems to come with ubuntu
[06:33] <sri> not as powerful as emacs
[06:33] <nickrud> xenos, ok, delete everything :)
[06:33] <tga> the keyboard shortcuts screw me up in anything but vim
[06:33] <WNight_> I just installed Ubuntu and when I reboot I get "Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" - Any ideas?
[06:33] <Anubis> matt_, Totem uses xine
[06:33] <sri> but vim is my editor of choice..but you can ddo some really funky shit with emacs
[06:33] <xenos> how
[06:33] <bur[n] er> term hippies
[06:33] <tga> is that lilo or grub?
[06:33] <xenos> How do i delete it all
[06:34] <Anubis> matt_, Xines frontends are ugly to me...Totem is nice and clean
[06:34] <sri> matt_: totem is the media player, it can play dvd, music streams, whatever
[06:34] <Anubis> matt_, even plays realmedia!
[06:34] <WNight_> I can
[06:34] <tga> Anubis: you don't need a frontend, just launch it and go full screen
[06:34] <matt_> thx again guys
[06:34] <Anubis> matt_, as a browser plugin no less!
[06:34] <nickrud> xenos, use the delete key
[06:34] <WNight_> I can't get Totem to play a DVD, even if Xine is installed and will do it.
[06:34] <bur[n] er> matt_: totem is really nice and can use the xine backend...  apt-get install totem-xine
[06:34] <sri> matt_: vcds and all that hoopla..but without all teh complications unlike real's player..which is butt ugly
[06:34] <Anubis> tga, have'nt learned that trick yet
[06:34] <sri> ugh, totem-gstreamer is getting way better
[06:34] <matt_> bur[n] er but totem appears to be installed with ubuntu
[06:35] <nickrud> xenos, it may look funny, but it's just an editor
[06:35] <bur[n] er> gstreamer needs id3 editing support :\
[06:35] <egg|hardened> wnight, hehe gotcha
[06:35] <Anubis> tga, like can't mplayer and such run in framed buffer as well?
[06:35] <sri> bur[n] er: it has it I believe.
[06:35] <bur[n] er> matt_: you say that like it's a bad thing?
[06:35] <tga> Anubis: I think it can
[06:35] <bur[n] er> sri: since when?
[06:35] <xenos> almost done
[06:35] <sri> bur[n] er: ask in #gstreamer how to do it...I forget
[06:35] <bur[n] er> eh
[06:35] <sri> wait I'll ask, I'm there already
[06:35] <Anubis> gstreamer makes me sad too
[06:35] <matt_> bur[n] er not bad... I don't think I need to apt-get if I have it
[06:35] <xenos> all deleted
[06:36] <bur[n] er> matt_: you don't have totem-xine
[06:36] <bur[n] er> matt_: totem-gstreamer is the ubuntu default
[06:36] <Anubis> matt_, how do we know all this, we tried em all, and you should too, then tell me which is tight and why;)
[06:36] <elcu> bur[n] er: does totem give you smooth DVD playback?
[06:36] <nickrud> xenos, ok, in the text box at the bottom on the site, hightlight the text
[06:36] <WindeX> ok...i think i have this figured out now.  thanks for the links...they helped me enable some other sound options...thanks everyone
[06:36] <xenos> hey nickrud i opened a new chat with just you
[06:36] <bur[n] er> elcu: yes... enable dma on your cdrom drive?  check the ubuntu faq
[06:36] <tga> omg!
[06:36] <matt_> ok will get totem-xine thx
[06:37] <Anubis> WindeX, great!
[06:37] <Anubis> matt_, anytime!
[06:37] <elcu> bur[n] er: hmmm i enabled it on my hdd, but not my DVD drive.  it's on ubuntuguide you say?
[06:37] <xenos> i deleted everything though
[06:37] <bur[n] er> sri: i think you're right on gstreamer... i think rhythmbox .9 development builds have id3 tagging support
[06:37] <WNight_> My system dies on boot with: "Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" - Any ideas?
[06:38] <bur[n] er> elcu: dma on is in the faq
[06:38] <sri> bur[n] er: yelp
[06:38] <tga> WNight_: is that lilo or grub?
[06:38] <sri> bur[n] er: er yep
[06:38] <tga> WNight_: sounds like your boot loader is misconfigured
[06:38] <benplaut> any help?
[06:38] <matt_>  here's what I got  "Package totem-xine is not available"
[06:38] <bur[n] er> elcu: and on guide i guess http://ubuntuguide.org/#speedupcddvdrom
[06:38] <runelind> huh, I guess the problem with wpa_supplicant was with my crappy msft access point
[06:39] <WNight_> tga: Grub. This is the first boot after install. I partitioned the drive manually during install, and installed everything onto reiserfs. Got any idea where to start?
[06:39] <bur[n] er> matt_: www.ubuntuguide.org you need more repositories ;)
[06:39] <matt_> k will look into it
[06:40] <bur[n] er> matt_: universe/multiverse is key
[06:40] <benplaut> WNight_: you updated with Ubuntu Update Manager, didn't you...
[06:40] <elcu> bur[n] er: yeah, couldn't find it on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/
[06:40] <tga> WNight_: you can hit 'c' and in the console type "root hd(0,0)" "kernel /vmlinuz" "initrd /initrd.img" "boot"
[06:40] <WNight_> benplaut: Yeah, 22 new updates or something.
[06:40] <bur[n] er> http://buranen.info/comment.php?comment.news.66  <--i got my ubuntu cds :)
[06:41] <bur[n] er> elcu: might have been wiki faq ;)  in any event, it's in the guide
[06:41] <benplaut> WNight_: the kernel update is causing a bunch of people's computers to not boot... me included
[06:41] <tga> WNight_: hd(0,0) is hda1.. change it if you have Ubuntu installed anywhere else
[06:41] <elcu> bur[n] er: yep, cheers
[06:41] <benplaut> working form a live CD right now
[06:41] <tga> is the new kernel borked?
[06:41] <tritium> benplaut, you're aware of others having problems with the new kernel too?
[06:41] <benplaut> tga: yup
[06:41] <bur[n] er> ;)
[06:41] <tga> benplaut: the fs support in the kernel or the symlinks or something?
[06:41] <benplaut> tritium: yup, about five people so far on Ubuntu Forums
[06:41] <Anubis> tga, what new kernel?
[06:42] <benplaut> tga: no idea...
[06:42] <tritium> Anubis, there was a security update today
[06:42] <Anubis> shit
[06:42] <tga> Anubis: looks like 2.6.10-5-
[06:42] <wallflower> how can i boot into single user mode ?
[06:42] <IIIEars> Hello!   (bought a new convertible tonigh. - no internet access available for it tho. - what is ubunu addiction?)
[06:42] <benplaut> tga: watch out!
[06:42] <bur[n] er> wallflower: pick "recovery mode" from your grub menu
[06:42] <thoreauputic> tritium: mine hung at the enterprise vol management step: a hard reset fixed it but I'm not confident it will stay fixed...
[06:42] <tritium> tga, you might wait on that
[06:42] <tga> benplaut: you should have your old kernel in the menu
[06:42] <wallflower> ah Ok.
[06:42] <WNight_> Still a problem.
[06:43] <benplaut> tga: it was a minor security update, so it didn't leave the backup
[06:43] <tga> can't you use the second menu option?
[06:43] <tga> heh, nice
[06:43] <matt_> what is the stickynotes or notes organizer in ubuntu
[06:43] <benplaut> WNight_: me, too... i'll let you know if i find an answer
[06:43] <bur[n] er> you can always boot a livecd, chroot, and reinstall the kernel :)
[06:43] <WNight_> benplaut: Thanks! I'll be here, just say my name!
[06:43] <tga> I'm updating the kernel now, I hope to be back with an answer
[06:43] <tga> is there no bug in bugzilla?
[06:43] <benplaut> but[n] er: what is chroot?
[06:44] <tritium> benplaut, did you check bugzilla?
[06:44] <tga> benplaut: you can boot from a live cd and make it use your current install as the root file system
[06:44] <Dr_Melectaus> Hi
[06:44] <benplaut> tga: how... i was trying to figure that out a while ago
[06:44] <Dr_Melectaus> I asked what would be a good nix distro for a fisrt time user to familiarise himself with
[06:45] <Dr_Melectaus> A guy in freenode directed me to here
[06:45] <benplaut> and then your can un-apt the update?
[06:45] <tga> benplaut: you mount the root partition somewhere, say /mnt/foo, then you `chroot /mnt/foo`
[06:45] <bur[n] er> Dr_Melectaus: download an iso and see for yourself :)
[06:45] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[06:45] <Dr_Melectaus> wheres the best place to download?
[06:45] <tga> benplaut: then you're 'in' your new system and can do stuff like change the boot loader settings
[06:45] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: try the bootable live CD first and see if you like it
[06:45] <Dr_Melectaus> got a site for this distro?
[06:45] <Madpilot> Dr_Melectaus: they'll ship you the ubuntu CDS - free - as well. check the ubuntu homepage.
[06:46] <benplaut> tga: i am having the not mounting problem... what's the fix (i did it a few times, but i forgot)
[06:46] <Dr_Melectaus> yea ill try the live one i think :)
[06:46] <tga> benplaut: the new kernel thing?
[06:46] <bur[n] er> bah, just install it ;)
[06:46] <bur[n] er> livecd is for weenies
[06:46] <Dr_Melectaus> Madpilot, whats the website ?
[06:46] <matt_> ok so gnome has sticky notes already.... anyone know if there's a tree notes program?
[06:46] <benplaut> tga: no... just how to mount hda1 from livecd
[06:46] <tga> benplaut: `mkdir /mnt/foo` `mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/foo`
[06:46] <abbot45> what program can i use to change stuff like JPG & PSD files to PDF?
[06:47] <tritium> abbot45, gimp
[06:47] <Dr_Melectaus> May i ask what the website is for ununtu?
[06:47] <tga> Unpacking replacement linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[06:47] <abbot45> i tried to save something as a PDF but it said it was an unknown file extension
[06:47] <tga> Dr_Melectaus: http://www.google.ca/search?q=ubuntu
[06:47] <Madpilot> Dr_Melectaus: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/shipit/link_view   - sorry for not including it first!
[06:47] <abbot45> tritium, how do i do it?
[06:48] <tritium> abbot45, ah, sorry, it can _import_ pdf, but not export
[06:48] <Madpilot> bur[n] er: gimp will open .psd
[06:48] <Dr_Melectaus> roffle
[06:48] <tritium> abbot45, try imagemagick's convert
[06:48] <tga> abbot45: you could always use openoffice.. import the picture and save as pdf
[06:48] <Dr_Melectaus> my bad bur[n] er
[06:48] <tga> File descriptor 3 left open
[06:48] <tga> hmm what's this all about
[06:48] <bur[n] er> i'm just bustin yer nutz Dr_Melectaus ;)  nothing personal
[06:48] <abarbaccia> hey all - how do i apply a patch to an install file?
[06:49] <bur[n] er> abarbaccia: ?
[06:49] <Dr_Melectaus> :)
[06:49] <benplaut> tga: OK, i "sudo chroot /mnt/hda1", the HDD makes a bit of noise, and now... nothing different
[06:49] <Dr_Melectaus> would they ship to the UK ?
[06:50] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: yes
[06:50] <tga> benplaut: if you got no error then you're 'in' your hdd install.. what are you trying to do?
[06:50] <tga> anyone running grub with lvm?
[06:50] <bur[n] er> matt_:  http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=613 http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=172 http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=76
[06:50] <tga> /dev/mapper/lap0-root does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[06:50] <Dr_Melectaus> cool
[06:50] <benplaut> tga: downgrade my kernel to the one before the security update
[06:50] <abarbaccia> how do i apply a patch to a file?
[06:50] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: takes a few weeks though, no matter where you are
[06:51] <bur[n] er> if you can download it, do though... why not save ubuntu some money and let them ship cds to places with little bandwidth
[06:51] <Dr_Melectaus>  ; (
[06:51] <bur[n] er> abarbaccia: man patch ?
[06:52] <tga> benplaut: I'm actually not sure how you downgrade that package
[06:52] <benplaut> hmm
[06:52] <bur[n] er> ooh... better yet, 'xterm -e man patch'
[06:52] <abbot45> tga, thanks.  OO worked :)
[06:52] <benplaut> will synaptic be using my hda1 package list?
[06:52] <JDahl> abarbaccia, man patch (normally you type something like "patch -p0 directory_to_path patchfile.diff")
[06:52] <tga> benplaut: yes, the terminal you're in is on your hdd install
[06:52] <benplaut> good!
[06:53] <tga> anyone using grub and lvm?
[06:53] <bur[n] er> nope
[06:53] <abarbaccia> got it
[06:53] <abarbaccia> thanks yall
[06:53] <benplaut> tga: so... sudo synaptic (from the terminal that i chrooted) would bring up the hda1 synaptic?
[06:53] <bur[n] er> grub & simple 40 gig ide :)
[06:53] <tga> benplaut: why don't you try it and see what happens
[06:53] <bur[n] er> :)
[06:54] <tga> I've upgraded my kernel so without grub next time I reboot I'm screwed
[06:54] <Burgundavia> tga, did you install the kernel package?
[06:54] <tga> Burgundavia: yes
[06:54] <Tezkah> wow... xmms is REALLY a clone of Winamp
[06:54] <Burgundavia> tga, it does it by default
[06:54] <Tezkah> down to the little details like not loading the entire playlist, wiating until you scroll
[06:55] <tga> Burgundavia: I have lilo, not grub and grub-install doesn't like my LVM volume
[06:55] <Burgundavia> tga, oh
[06:55] <bur[n] er> Tezkah: check out beepmp.sf.net  it's a gtk2 port of xmms
[06:55] <bur[n] er> Tezkah: apt-get install beep-media-player even
[06:55] <Tezkah> I like amarok, it sounds great
[06:55] <Tezkah> but its too heavy for use on icewm
[06:55] <Tezkah> and XMMS is okay
[06:55] <Tezkah> but some songs sound washed out... its weird
[06:55] <semi> m
[06:55] <WNight_> q
[06:56] <matt_> bedtime ... thnks for help all
[06:56] <Tezkah> I'm using icewm
[06:56] <Tezkah> I can't figure out why =)
[06:56] <bur[n] er> Tezkah: ever try xfce?  it's a good lightweight WM
[06:56] <Tezkah> yeah, I am slowly going from heavy to small
[06:56] <Tezkah> I went from KDE to GNOME to XFCE now to IceWM
[06:56] <Tezkah> >I'll be text only in a few hours
[06:57] <Tezkah> I really like IceWM though
[06:57] <bur[n] er> (but then i got a p4)
[06:57] <Tezkah> OS/2 Warp theme going on
[06:57] <Tezkah> yum
[06:57] <bur[n] er> heh
[06:57] <benplaut> tga: well... seems i'll have to go back to my old buddy google :) ... apt downgrade package
[06:58] <Tezkah> bur[n] er: yeah, I have an Athlon 2000+
[06:58] <Tezkah> but the fact that it stays speedy while I clock it down at 396mhz is awesome
[06:58] <Tezkah> 35% battery left
[06:58] <Tezkah> omg
[06:59] <bur[n] er> heh
[06:59] <Tezkah> I really should find a battery monitor for IceWM
[06:59] <bur[n] er> gnome is just as fast for me
[06:59] <Tezkah> the one on XFCE causes the panel to slow down
[06:59] <Tezkah> I don't like GNOME, it just doens't feel right to me
[06:59] <bur[n] er> launching applications in other WMs was slow... due to gtk loading and all that
[06:59] <Tezkah> yeah, exactly
[07:00] <Tezkah> thats the nice thing about Linux, you can choose
[07:00] <Tezkah> compared to being stuck with explorer.exe or Finder.app
[07:00] <benplaut> if i remove (temporaroly, of course) security-ubuntu from my sources.list, and then apt-get update, will it bring the package down package down to the latest version in the other repos?
[07:00] <Amaranth> Smeg 0.6 is out! :D
[07:00] <bur[n] er> http://burner.ath.cx/Screenshot.png
[07:00] <bur[n] er> Tezkah: windows has blackbox & litestep as well :)
[07:01] <bur[n] er> benplaut: best bet is download the .deb and install that
[07:01] <Tezkah> I'd show you my icewm screenshot, but its embarassingly plain
[07:01] <bur[n] er> Tezkah: whatcha think of that gnome? :)
[07:01] <Tezkah> yet so awesome
[07:01] <Tezkah> GNOME is kind of like XFCE
[07:01] <Tezkah> except huge
[07:02] <bur[n] er> kinda
[07:02] <bur[n] er> and more usable
[07:02] <benplaut> bur[n] er: where can i find a deb for a kernel form a month ago?
[07:02] <tritium> benplaut, if you've found a bug with the new kernel, will you please file a bug in bugzilla?  Did you check to see if there's already one?
[07:02] <bur[n] er> benplaut: ubuntu repositories :P
[07:02] <IIIEars_> .
[07:02] <benplaut> tritium: i'll do that right now
[07:02] <tritium> benplaut, it's a kernel panic?  When does it occur?
[07:02] <IIIEars_> Hi tritium
[07:02] <tritium> Hi IIIEars
[07:02] <Tezkah> okay I miss XFCE now
[07:03] <benplaut> tritium: right after grub announces "loading kernel" (or something like that...)
[07:03] <tritium> benplaut, can you please give me the URL you're referring to from the forums?
[07:04] <Tezkah> okay XFCE I have missed you
[07:04] <IIIEars_> Will the latest kernel updates put an extra line in grub?
[07:04] <benplaut> tritium: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36573
[07:04] <tritium> benplaut, thanks
[07:05] <benplaut> IIIEars: nope... it's just a small security update
[07:06] <Dr_Melectaus> Well, im looking forword to trying this distro out. comes across as different to the rest
[07:06] <bur[n] er> Dr_Melectaus: it's amaaaaaaaaaaaaaazing :)
[07:06] <abarbaccia> Dr_Melectaus, i make love to it every night
[07:06] <Madpilot> bur[n] er: where did you get the wallpaper in your screenshot?
[07:06] <Dr_Melectaus> ROFFLE
[07:06] <bur[n] er> Madpilot: gnomelook.org
[07:07] <IIIEars> The posted link had me worried. - Thanks for the info benplaut. :)
[07:08] <Madpilot> bur[n] er: thnx, always looking for new eyecandy. gnome-look.org is great.
[07:08] <bur[n] er> http://burner.ath.cx/Screenshot2.png  <--another eye-candy show off :)
[07:08] <benplaut> IIIEars: no prob :) ... chances are you won't ahve any problems
[07:08] <cuga> Hey guys, I just reinstalled my hoary box and installed mplayer and all the codecs paks, but nomatter the video i try and play, it just stays a black screen... anybody seen this before ?
[07:08] <tga> hmm I forgot to add swap to this system
[07:08] <overcode> I just tried booting the Live CD on my Athlon 64 box (native AMD 64 version). The first problem was that it froze while starting the enterprise volume manager; I got past that by disabling my SATA interface in the BIOS. The current problem is that X video is garbled. I'm using an NVIDIA 6600. Any ideas?
[07:08] <tga> no wonder it suddenly gets slow after using it for a while
[07:08] <overcode> it started X without errors, but the display is totally fried
[07:09] <bur[n] er> cuga: use totem?
[07:09] <Dr_Melectaus> So is ubuntu really flexable? im wanting to try and do as much as i can with nix so just curiouse what ubuntu is good for, and bad for
[07:09] <IIIEars> Does anyone know how to add md5sum to the right click menu or panel. - it closes too quickly to read it's output.
[07:09] <benplaut> tga: -rolls eyes-
[07:09] <bur[n] er> Dr_Melectaus: bad for xtightvncviewer -listen, good for everything else ;)
[07:09] <tritium> IIIEars, use it from the command line
[07:09] <Dr_Melectaus>  bad for xtightvncviewer -listen <<< whatsa one of them O_o
[07:09] <bur[n] er> Dr_Melectaus: bad for printing to windows shared printers as well... but web browsing, image editing, gaming, etc are all good :)
[07:09] <cuga> bur[n] er, same thing, could it be something in xorg that is not configured properly?
[07:10] <Dr_Melectaus> sweet
[07:10] <IIIEars> I can do that - If it is easier to do i am more likely to checksum files tho.
[07:10] <bur[n] er> cuga:  vlc?
[07:10] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: it's very similar to Debian, which means it can do practically anything :)
[07:10] <Dr_Melectaus> So do any of you guys help develope ubuntu ?
[07:10] <bur[n] er> cuga: i'm not convinced it's xorg, but i've seen stranger things
[07:10] <Tezkah> we all help develop ubuntu
[07:10] <Tezkah> by testing it
[07:10] <tga> /dev/mapper/lap0-root does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[07:10] <bur[n] er> lol
[07:10] <tga> any idea how to talk grub into installing on a partition _outside_ of LVM?
[07:10] <Dr_Melectaus> the official releases? or just customizeing it yourselfs ?
[07:11] <bur[n] er> and patches ;)
[07:11] <Dr_Melectaus> for yourselfs**
[07:11] <cuga> bur[n] er, its weird that it dont give any errors or anything, just sits there crashed till I kill its pid
[07:11] <Dr_Melectaus> ahhh
[07:11] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: there are usually a few devs hanging around ;)
[07:11] <count0nz> my boreing scrrn shot :) http://count0nz.no-ip.com/count0nz.png
[07:11] <Dr_Melectaus> cool
[07:11] <IIIEars> You could drag and drop files to an icon if md5sum was added to the panel
[07:11] <bur[n] er> cuga: no audio either?
[07:11] <cuga> nope
[07:11] <benplaut> cuga: can you hear me now?
[07:12] <cuga> hehe
[07:12] <bur[n] er> cuga: what type of file?  try other video types?
[07:12] <IIIEars> Wrestling with zenity is just too hard for a linux newb after only a few weeks with linux.
[07:12] <bur[n] er> just to rule out codec issues
[07:12] <cuga> i've tryed mpeg2 and xvid, both do exact same thing
[07:13] <bur[n] er> cuga: in both mplayer & totem?  very odd
[07:13] <IIIEars> super cat/grep/and pipe commands in one program
[07:13] <bur[n] er> what type of video card?
[07:13] <cuga> 9600XT
[07:13] <cuga> ATI
[07:13] <tga> screenshot party! http://www.sfu.ca/~tga/tga.jpg
[07:13] <cuga> was working fine before i rebuilt this boxen
[07:13] <WNight_> Is there any way that I could boot off a live CD, run apt-get from the installed system and remove the update that seems to have broken the system?
[07:13] <Dr_Melectaus> ohhhh. nice gfx card cuga
[07:13] <bur[n] er> count0nz: you subscribe to cedega?
[07:14] <bur[n] er> cuga: got the fire-gl stuff?
[07:14] <count0nz> bur[n] er, no :(
[07:14] <Dr_Melectaus> count0nz, how the hell do you get telly txt on you box?
[07:14] <benplaut> WNight_: looking ath that right now... has to do with chrooting, but i don't know the actual commands i need to get it to downgrade
[07:14] <cuga> bur[n] er, yeah im running the binary drivers
[07:14] <count0nz> Dr_Melectaus, xdtv :)
[07:14] <bur[n] er> lol @ tga... fancy ;)
[07:14] <tga> ain't it
[07:14] <count0nz> Dr_Melectaus, and sky tv (free) coff Coff
[07:14] <Dr_Melectaus> how does one go about getting that
[07:14] <bur[n] er> cuga: f if i know ;)
[07:14] <Dr_Melectaus> Lol
[07:14] <bur[n] er> cuga: try vlc... it uses its own codecs
[07:15] <Dr_Melectaus> how do you get sky for cough*free*cough
[07:15] <count0nz> Dr_Melectaus, xawdecode-plugins
[07:15] <cuga> bur[n] er, how do i force vlc?
[07:15] <bur[n] er> force vlc?
[07:15] <Madpilot> my desktop, just because: http://img268.echo.cx/img268/5619/madpilot2ph.png
[07:16] <Amaranth> Smeg 0.6 at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36608 </shameless spamming>
[07:16] <Madpilot> wallpaper from gnome-look.org
[07:16] <cuga> bur[n] er, sorry, im not sure what you mean by vlc, thought you might have been talking about a renderer
[07:16] <tritium> benplaut, did you file that bug already
[07:16] <tritium> ?
[07:16] <bur[n] er> ooh... opera user :)
[07:16] <benplaut> so... what's the risk of chroot uninstalling the kernel, removing the sources.list entry, and then reinstalling from the newest that it has to offer
[07:16] <bur[n] er> cuga: vlc == videolan.org apt-get install vlc
[07:16] <count0nz> Dr_Melectaus, just not working 100% right now works perfectly under Winblows. but i have to hack the code on Linux converting the plugins from xawdecode to xdtv
[07:16] <benplaut> tritium: yeah... the registration email hasn't come yet... writing it in OOo
[07:17] <tritium> benplaut, okay, great.  Did you provide fairly detailed info?
[07:17] <benplaut> yup
[07:17] <bur[n] er> Madpilot: :)
[07:17] <Dr_Melectaus> ahhhh
[07:17] <nqt> Madpilot, where'd you get that background image?
[07:17] <tritium> benplaut, okay, I was just discussing it with one of the devs
[07:17] <Dr_Melectaus> what hardware do you need to get for to get it count0nz
[07:18] <benplaut> tritium: any suggestions?
[07:18] <Madpilot> nqt: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=23009
[07:18] <tritium> benplaut, no, not at this point.  Sorry.
[07:18] <tritium> benplaut, what's the bug number?
[07:18] <nqt> Madpilot, thanks :)
[07:18] <benplaut> i can use a livecd for a while... i guess...
[07:18] <washu> "Nintendo Roms" http://isohunt.com/torrents.php?ihq=Nintendo&op=and&sourceid=Mozilla-search
[07:18] <benplaut> tritium: none yet... waiting for the registration email
[07:18] <bur[n] er> washu: wtf?
[07:19] <tritium> Okay
[07:19] <count0nz> Dr_Melectaus, BT 878 ?? i think but i think xawdecode-plugins works with any analog card
[07:19] <Madpilot> anime, cool!
[07:19] <Dr_Melectaus> how much does that cost about?
[07:19] <Amaranth> Madpilot: http://www.megatokyo.com
[07:19] <Dr_Melectaus> count0nz, you from the uk i take it?
[07:19] <bur[n] er> Amaranth: you mix and match your icon theme?
[07:19] <Amaranth> washu: Please don't do that again.
[07:19] <count0nz> Dr_Melectaus, 50 or so
[07:20] <count0nz> New Zealand
[07:20] <washu> okay
[07:20] <Dr_Melectaus> new zeland?? how do you get telly text
[07:20] <count0nz> Dr_Melectaus, won't work in uk :(
[07:20] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: kind of. it's a mix of the real etiquette and the version ubuntu ships, with my own minor modifications
[07:20] <Dr_Melectaus> a sheet
[07:20] <count0nz> Dr_Melectaus, Teletext shuld work there
[07:20] <count0nz> get xdtv
[07:20] <Dr_Melectaus> what is ubunto coded in?
[07:21] <bur[n] er> Amaranth: i just noticed a fancier trash icon ;)
[07:21] <Dr_Melectaus> unutu**
[07:21] <Dr_Melectaus> ubuntu*********
[07:21] <Amaranth> Dr_Melectaus: Name a language, something in Ubuntu probably uses it.
[07:21] <Dr_Melectaus> dammit
[07:21] <thoreauputic_> Dr_Melectaus: it depends which parts you mean
[07:21] <count0nz> i'll post url
[07:21] <tritium> Dr_Melectaus, there are many packages, written in several programming languages.
[07:21] <bur[n] er> Dr_Melectaus: that's not really a valid question
[07:21] <bur[n] er> wow, everyone jumped on that question ;)
[07:21] <count0nz> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=67268 <----- Xdtv/Xawdecode
[07:22] <Amaranth> Dr_Melectaus: C, C++, Ruby, Python, Perl, PHP, obj-C (i think), etc
[07:22] <Dr_Melectaus> ROFFLE
[07:22] <IIIEars_> lol
[07:22] <Dr_Melectaus> VB. then you woke up mate
[07:22] <Dr_Melectaus> lol
[07:22] <bur[n] er> :)
[07:22] <count0nz> Shhhh don't tell them the secret
[07:23] <zenrox> lol
[07:23] <tritium> thoreauputic, some of the numerical stuff is
[07:23] <Dr_Melectaus> twould amaze me if it was at all possable to code an os in vb
[07:23] <thoreauputic_> actually it's all written in bash - it just pretends to use other stuff ;)
[07:23] <Dr_Melectaus> Im sure there is bound to be a way
[07:23] <Amaranth> Dr_Melectaus: Someone is writing an OS in Python.
[07:23] <laosiano> how can i enable "new login" (gdmflexiserver) if a screen has been locked by xscreensaver??
[07:23] <bur[n] er> whoa wtf... anyone see that xmms2 development release is posted on xmms.org ?!?!?  i thought xmms was dead ;)
[07:23] <IIIEars_> thoreaputic - let me a dev is fortran in C++  unusual? - lol
[07:23] <r0d> whats the client tool for dhcp ?
[07:24] <thoreauputic_> dhclient ?
[07:24] <tritium> yes, which is a symlink to dhclient3
[07:24] <r0d> yea, thx
[07:25] <IIIEars_> back to zenity. - No-o-ooo!
[07:25] <tritium> benplaut, please let me know when you get that bug filed
[07:25] <Dr_Melectaus> Amaranth, im not to familiar with python, as a matter of fact im not a coder or anything so i wouldnt know if codeing an os in python would work or not
[07:25] <thoreauputic_> IIIEars: try Xdialog - it isn't as pretty nut the docs are very good
[07:25] <thoreauputic_> *but
[07:26] <benplaut> tritium: yup
[07:26] <count0nz> Zenity is for 31331 hac0rs
[07:26] <Dr_Melectaus> i just know VB wouldnt work because it uses .DLL's and is made by M$
[07:26] <Dr_Melectaus> and nothing by M$ works !_!
[07:26] <thoreauputic_> Dr_Melectaus: very perspicacious :)
[07:26] <k4rp0r> looks like its time to watch nge :)
[07:26] <IIIEars_away> With only 4 weeks. seasoned newb maybe.
[07:27] <Dr_Melectaus> I use windows and havent moved to nix because im into graphics design
[07:27] <Amaranth> Dr_Melectaus: Python isn't a compiled language. It usually needs the Python interpreter to run (which is written in C and needs an OS). I'm not sure what magic they're using.
[07:27] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: is that even a word? pers-whatever-ious? ;)
[07:27] <Dr_Melectaus> But the other day i had to reformat twice in 1 day
[07:27] <count0nz> Dr_Melectaus, you feel inkscape ?
[07:27] <thoreauputic_> Madpilot: sure it is
[07:27] <count0nz>  /s/feel/seen :)
[07:28] <tritium> benplaut, I'm debating rebooting
[07:28] <Dr_Melectaus> Amaranth,  suppose it would be easier to debug if it uses an interpreter rather than a compiler. But it would be very dam slow id imagine
[07:28] <danko123456> Hi, Guys.
[07:28] <danko123456> I have a question;)
[07:28] <Dr_Melectaus> count0nz, inkscape??
[07:28] <count0nz> danko123456, giday
[07:28] <Amaranth> Dr_Melectaus: Lots of things use interpreters, they aren't slow.
[07:28] <danko123456> Can anyone help me?!?!
[07:28] <danko123456> :)
[07:28] <benplaut> tritium: i wouldn't risk it...
[07:29] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: hey, it is too. It's even in the dictionary included in Ubuntu...
[07:29] <g14> Dr_Melectaus: Inkscape is awesome for vector graphics like Adobe Illustrator. Blender does very good 3d. The gimp isn't a photoshop replacement, but it has 95% of the features of photoshop
[07:29] <tritium> danko123456, just ask
[07:29] <count0nz> Dr_Melectaus, http://www.inkscape.org
[07:29] <Amaranth> Dr_Melectaus: Java, C#, Python, PHP, Perl, Ruby, bash, and more.
[07:29] <danko123456> tritium, I know, I am being sarcastic....it was a skit:)
[07:29] <Dr_Melectaus> i thought because it would have to handle each line of code one at a time twould be a slow process
[07:29] <count0nz> runs on windows too
[07:29] <Dr_Melectaus> cool
[07:29] <Dr_Melectaus> ill have a bash on the dows version first
[07:30] <g14> holycow: ping
[07:30] <Dr_Melectaus> i would marry adobe if they made a version of there software for nix, hell! i would even feal bad for not paying for it!
[07:30] <count0nz> Dr_Melectaus, looks good
[07:31] <count0nz> Dr_Melectaus, agree Photoshop CS rocks
[07:31] <danko123456> You would donate if it was free in other words.
[07:31] <Dr_Melectaus> i used CS for a while. But didnt like all the crap with the filters where big menus would come up with layering filters
[07:32] <Dr_Melectaus> so i reverted back to good old 7.0
[07:32] <tritium> benplaut, I'll be back.  Are you saying that even recovery mode didn't work?
[07:32] <danko123456> YOu are in the way of progress:)
[07:32] <count0nz> Some one set us up the bomb.
[07:32] <tritium> ?
[07:33] <danko123456> exactly.
[07:33] <danko123456> Just smile and nod, I guess...
[07:33] <tga> Linux idefix 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Fri May 20 13:52:48 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:33] <count0nz> :)
[07:33] <tga> no kernel problems here
[07:33] <danko123456> There is a bomb in the room, everyone calmly leave in pairs of two...:-p
[07:33] <tritium> tga, I'm going to try now...
[07:33] <Dr_Melectaus> :( i have a rather bad confession to make :(
[07:33] <g14> count0nz: Check out the blender video tutorials section http://www.blender3d.com/cms/Video_Tutorials.396.0.html
[07:33] <g14> Dr_Melectaus: Your on windows right now
[07:33] <count0nz> gl4 thanks
[07:33] <Dr_Melectaus> I use aol. Would i be able to connect to the net with ubuntu
[07:33] <benplaut> tritium: nope... same thing. on i386 and i686 kernels, top
[07:33] <count0nz> bookmarking
[07:33] <benplaut> *too
[07:34] <Amaranth> Dr_Melectaus: You pirate Adobe software?
[07:34] <Dr_Melectaus> g14, thats correct :(
[07:34] <Dr_Melectaus> Amaranth, i have legal back ups of it yes ;)
[07:34] <benplaut> bubye tritium!
[07:34] <tritium> see you soon, hopefully ;)
[07:34] <Dr_Melectaus> incase i loose my original which i did
[07:35] <Dr_Melectaus> why do you ask Amaranth
[07:35] <Amaranth> Dr_Melectaus: "i would even feal bad for not paying for it!"
[07:36] <Dr_Melectaus> roffle
[07:36] <Dr_Melectaus> caught me out there
[07:36] <Dr_Melectaus> you have me rumbled Amaranth
[07:36] <Dr_Melectaus> But they cant exspect people to pay the prices they charge
[07:36] <danko123456> Yeah, loosing the original is bad, I like em tight...
[07:36] <Dr_Melectaus> Im a dam student
[07:36] <Dr_Melectaus> i need it for coursework
[07:36] <danko123456> what is dam?
[07:37] <benplaut> damn...
[07:37] <danko123456> thanks
[07:37] <benplaut> good! it worked!
[07:37] <Dr_Melectaus> sorry, didnt realise this was an english lesson :(
[07:37] <tritium> benplaut, yep
[07:38] <danko123456> hah, no sorry, I didnt get it, I thought it was short for something.
[07:38] <bur[n] er> Amaranth: you know python pretty well?
[07:38] <count0nz> :)
[07:38] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: I'd like to think so, yes.
[07:38] <benplaut> tritium: bug 11135
[07:38] <bur[n] er> Amaranth: care to help out on a small small project? :)
[07:38] <Dr_Melectaus> running incscape now
[07:39] <tritium> benplaut, ok, thanks
[07:39] <count0nz> Dr_Melectaus, :) kewl tell us what you think
[07:39] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: Depends on what you mean by help. I've got Smeg, PyMusique, musik, and BitTorrent to deal with.
[07:39] <Dr_Melectaus> aye ill see if i can do anything c00l with it
[07:40] <danko123456> or something 1337!
[07:40] <danko123456> I suck!
[07:40] <Amaranth> ...
[07:40] <bur[n] er> Amaranth: aww... didn't know you were such a busy man :)  ever use the system tray with python?
[07:40] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: Yeah, actually I did with BitTorrent.
[07:41] <bur[n] er> with bittorrent?  (i assume some non-official?)
[07:41] <danko123456> You didnt know he made bittorent??
[07:41] <danko123456> :-p
[07:41] <bur[n] er> Amaranth == bram?
[07:41] <nickrud> Amaranth, :)
[07:41] <nickrud> that too?
[07:42] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: Nope, just someone trying to make BitTorrent not suck. :)
[07:42] <bur[n] er> lol
[07:42] <danko123456> Yeah, and you know that circle of stones, stonehenge??
[07:42] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: Little mods and packaging.
[07:42] <danko123456> He did that one, 2...
[07:42] <bur[n] er> cool with me, i love bittorrent :)  azureus == my client of choice though
[07:42] <count0nz> azureus here too :)
[07:42] <Dr_Melectaus> :( i have to say incscape isnt anywhere near as good as photoshop
[07:43] <Dr_Melectaus> but its not bad
[07:43] <danko123456> i dont bittorent, I cant findf any sites:(
[07:43] <tga> how can I resize one of my LVM partitions and create a new one?
[07:43] <bur[n] er> Amaranth: for the record, I'm trying to make a simple python frontend for x11vnc and I was hoping it could sit in the systray, similar to TightVNC for windows
[07:43] <tritium> good night, all
[07:43] <freewoody> I can't ping my private Local Network from another network
[07:43] <Dr_Melectaus> whats incscape coded in
[07:43] <Dr_Melectaus> looks like java :-\
[07:43] <bur[n] er> Dr_Melectaus: inkscape is to Illustrator as gimp is to photoshop
[07:44] <danko123456> freewoody: so? give us moer info, and we may be able to tell you something...
[07:44] <bur[n] er> Dr_Melectaus: definately not java
[07:44] <thoreauputic_> Dr_Melectaus: comparing inkscape to photoshop is a little odd, isn't it?
[07:44] <tga> Dr_Melectaus: how does that make any difference to you?
[07:44] <benplaut> but inkscape is still pretty weak...
[07:44] <Dr_Melectaus> yea
[07:44] <tritium> take care, benplaut.  I hope your kernel panic problems get resolved.
[07:44] <Dr_Melectaus> i rarely use illustrator
[07:44] <danko123456> good night, Tritium
[07:44] <Dr_Melectaus> dont really do vector graphics
[07:44] <Dr_Melectaus> more techy stuff
[07:44] <tritium> good night, danko123456
[07:44] <bur[n] er> Dr_Melectaus: point being, you're comparing apples to oranges ;)
[07:44] <benplaut> tritium: in worst case, i will just do a reinstall...
[07:44] <danko123456> thanks:)
[07:45] <tritium> benplaut, eww, hopefully not necessary
[07:45] <freewoody> Well I am using a 192.168.x.x network at home and I can ping any computers from office
[07:45] <danko123456> You cant, rather..
[07:45] <danko123456> Ok, a router?
[07:45] <danko123456> Gateway? Hub?
[07:45] <freewoody> I can't ping any computers from office
[07:45] <danko123456> Transport level gateway? app level gateway?
[07:45] <benplaut> tritium: well... i'm up to my neck in researching downgrading via apt, so hopefully i'll find something, and be able to chroot it...
[07:45] <Dr_Melectaus> tga, just aint very fond of java. C can do the same job but java seams to take up more resources and runs alot slower i feal
[07:46] <freewoody> Well I can ping the gateway
[07:46] <danko123456> The gateway device?
[07:46] <CrustyPunk> 'Lo
[07:46] <Dr_Melectaus> Plus. With java, you can retrieve passwords with a 60 watt light bulb
[07:46] <danko123456> Hi.
[07:46] <bur[n] er> freewoody: just can't ping "to" the office or "from" the office to your pc?
[07:46] <danko123456> from office to hoem.
[07:46] <Dr_Melectaus> Now, how could they have overlooked such a flaw :P
[07:46] <freewoody> Well from office to my home pc
[07:46] <CrustyPunk> I'm having a slight issue. o.O;;
[07:47] <bur[n] er> freewoody:  know your external ip?  www.ipchicken.com
[07:47] <danko123456> What device do you have, a router? or a router modem combo?
[07:47] <danko123456> CrustyPunk: go ahead.
[07:47] <bur[n] er> danko123456: doesn't matter either way :P
[07:47] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: http://rafb.net/paste/results/8W7tXG69.html
[07:47] <bur[n] er> danko123456: same steps regardless
[07:47] <danko123456> Right, I just wanna know...
[07:47] <CrustyPunk> I just rebooted my system, and now I can't get a resolution higher than 640x480
[07:47] <danko123456> Yes, but maybe it is a switch.
[07:47] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: That should get you started. Basically it creates a tray icon that closes when you left click on it.
[07:48] <bur[n] er> Amaranth: thanks :)  i was playin with that egg.trayicon before
[07:48] <bur[n] er> right on
[07:48] <danko123456> freewoody: what was the command you used?
[07:48] <bur[n] er> i don't need much more to be honest ;)
[07:48] <bur[n] er> a simple menu with a couple options and things should be good :)  thanks!
[07:48] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: Well you'll probably want to make it show/hide the window on left click and have a tooltip. And probably have a popup menu (you can make that in glade) on right click.
[07:49] <nickrud> CrustyPunk, the first check is to see what X thinks you should be able to do, so in a terminal, grep Default /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:49] <bur[n] er> Amaranth: the popup menu is a glade object?
[07:49] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: just make sure you always destroy() the tray icon before you close the app, otherwise it'll stay there until you log out.
[07:49] <nickrud> CrustyPunk, does that show a resolution greater than 640x480?
[07:49] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: The menu itself is, but you have to write code to make it show up.
[07:50] <danko123456> freewoody: you fell off.
[07:50] <CrustyPunk> It says the default mode it 640x480, 25.2 MHz
[07:50] <danko123456> How, Danko, My last album was "The Chronic"...
[07:50] <hellfire_bg> Hi
[07:50] <nickrud> CrustyPunk, only one then
[07:50] <danko123456> hi
[07:50] <hellfire_bg> Have anyone maneged to get TV Shuttle2 tv card working?
[07:50] <bur[n] er> Amaranth: thanks, i think i've got some reading to do regarding glade + menu, but it doens't look too menacing
[07:51] <danko123456> hellfire_bg: did you check out the forums?
[07:51] <CrustyPunk> Nick: that's the problem. I was in 1024x768 before I rebooted
[07:51] <Amaranth> it's a widget you choose in the additional section
[07:51] <hellfire_bg> i checked but i found nothing about exactly that card
[07:51] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: ^^^, btw you can have more than one window in the same glade file
[07:51] <hellfire_bg> i posted a theme
[07:51] <CrustyPunk> I'm worried my videocard got fried but I can't see how it could have
[07:51] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: I have all of my windows and my popup menu in the smeg glade file.
[07:52] <danko123456> hellfire_bg: cool, good idea:) I dont know, sorry.
[07:52] <nickrud> CrustyPunk, if it works, it works
[07:52] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: http://www.async.com.br/faq/pygtk/index.py?req=show&file=faq13.017.htp <--it's for a treeview but if you strip that bit of code out this is a good example of making a popup menu show up
[07:52] <bur[n] er> Amaranth: i know you can have more than one window ;)
[07:52] <CrustyPunk> True
[07:52] <nickrud> CrustyPunk, so, first of several questions
[07:52] <danko123456> CrustyPunk: did you reboot again?
[07:52] <CrustyPunk> yeah
[07:52] <CrustyPunk> Multiple times
[07:53] <danko123456> maybe it is like, every even time you boot...
[07:53] <rob_lt> Hi.  Is there a 2.6.12 (rc) kernel available somewhere for ubuntu?  Where would I find it?
[07:53] <Amaranth> rob_lt: Only in breezy.
[07:53] <egg|hardened> www.kernel.org?
[07:53] <fabbione> rob_lt: yes there are. they are in the universe repository for breezy
[07:53] <Amaranth> rob_lt: Which you should _not_ use.
[07:53] <Amaranth> rob_lt: breezy i mean, not the kernel
[07:53] <rob_lt> Amaranth, I don't mind experimenting.  I'm actually on a debian sarge machine right now, but I'm going to try an ubuntu 2.6.12 kernel.  Can you give me a link?
[07:54] <nickrud> CrustyPunk, which video cared are you using?
[07:54] <CrustyPunk> Radeon 9600
[07:54] <CrustyPunk> 128mb
[07:54] <bur[n] er> thanks again Amaranth
[07:54] <Dr_Melectaus> On ubunto, would i be able to install drivers for my ati mobility radeon 9200 gfx card?
[07:54] <Dr_Melectaus> ubuntu**
[07:54] <Amaranth> rob_lt: You're nuts. A development kernel from Ubuntu on a sarge system? If you can't figure out how to get it on your own you probably shouldn't be doing that.
[07:54] <Amaranth> rob_lt: No offense, but I don't give out advice that breaks systems. :)
[07:55] <CrustyPunk> Dr: I was just looking for Radeon drivers
[07:55] <rob_lt> Amaranth, I've compiled my own kernel likely over a hundred times... I'm just experimenting here.
[07:55] <egg|hardened> Amaranth, ???
[07:55] <CrustyPunk> ATI doesn't have any for Debian-based distro
[07:55] <CrustyPunk> s
[07:55] <nickrud> have you stepped through that?
[07:55] <bur[n] er> Dr_Melectaus: yes
[07:55] <rob_lt> Amaranth, I do appreciate your hesitance (is that a word) though.
[07:55] <Amaranth> rob_lt: archive.ubuntu.com has all the debs
[07:55] <danko123456> yes, the kernel compile...have you ever written one is teh question...
[07:55] <danko123456> :)
[07:56] <Dr_Melectaus> i assume there is no way to use the windows drivers at all, like any progs that take them and get them to work on ubuntu
[07:56] <fabbione> rob_lt: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/linux-source-2.6.12/
[07:56] <Dr_Melectaus> how bur[n] er ?
[07:56] <nickrud> I have no ati, so ,,,
[07:56] <rob_lt> Amaranth, thanks... I'll let you know how it goes ;)
[07:56] <fabbione> rob_lt: but i am going to upload a new version today
[07:56] <tga> Dr_Melectaus: ndiswrapper for wireless cards
[07:56] <fabbione> rob_lt: so you probably want to wait tomorrow
[07:56] <rob_lt> fabbione, ahhh... linux-source.  I was looking in kernel-image and that only went up to 2.6.11 (I think)
[07:56] <rob_lt> fabbione, sounds good.  Thanks.  And thanks again Amaranth.
[07:56] <fabbione> rob_lt: yes, we use a different name schema
[07:57] <fabbione> rob_lt: that's up to 12rc4.
[07:57] <fabbione> so you know what you are going to install :)
[07:57] <rob_lt> thanks :)
[07:57] <danko123456> :)
[07:57] <daniels> CrustyPunk: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:57] <daniels> Dr_Melectaus: see above
[07:57] <Dr_Melectaus> ta
[07:57] <egg|hardened> max
[07:57] <fabbione> rob_lt: if you install the binaries, you might have to grab other packages too from ubuntu.
[07:58] <CrustyPunk> Dan: thanks
[07:59] <Dr_Melectaus> bollocks, i have 9200
[07:59] <danko123456> dont kik da dog.
[07:59] <dr_willis> Woof
[07:59] <dr_willis> 0_o
[07:59] <egg|hardened> o_O
[07:59] <danko123456> I work tech support in chat for COmcast, so, anyhow, this guy comes into my chat, and is like, fix mah connection...and Im like, are you a South Park fan, hes like, yes...
[08:00] <Amaranth> Dr_Melectaus: Your card is supported with an open source driver.
[08:00] <Dr_Melectaus> ohh cool ::D
[08:00] <Dr_Melectaus> :D **
[08:00] <Amaranth> Dr_Melectaus: You don't have to do any extra work to make it work right, just install Ubuntu and it goes.
[08:00] <Dr_Melectaus> sweet
[08:00] <egg|hardened> enough
[08:01] <CrustyPunk> E: Couldn't find package xorg-driver-fglrx
[08:01] <Dr_Melectaus> i thought i would have to arse around for ages getting sound to work, pcmcia, ethernet etc
[08:01] <danko123456> too much is never enough.
[08:01] <Dr_Melectaus> messed around with knoppix live and it didnt detect shit
[08:01] <danko123456> did you have shit plugged in at that time?
[08:01] <Dr_Melectaus> nope
[08:01] <danko123456> wel, how would it detect it then...
[08:02] <hellfire_bg> no one knows how to get TV Shuttle 2 tv card working?
[08:02] <Dr_Melectaus> well, when i was trying to have a bash at cross platform networking
[08:02] <thoreauputic_> Dr_Melectaus: well, that explains it then ;-)
[08:02] <Dr_Melectaus> i plugged the eth in
[08:02] <danko123456> its all in the upbringing, hellfire_bg, you gotta taech 'em young
[08:02] <Dr_Melectaus> then done the detect eth0 command (cant remember it)
[08:03] <nickrud> CrustyPunk, that's in the restricted repository
[08:03] <Dr_Melectaus> well i mean the cat5 wasnt plugged in if thats what your getting at thoreauputic_
[08:03] <zachary> hello, i was wondering what the command was for installing the w32 plugins
[08:03] <Dr_Melectaus> I have to say im prett excited about trying this OS
[08:03] <thoreauputic_> Dr_Melectaus: I was just going along with the joke ;)
[08:03] <hellfire_bg> apt -get install w32codecs
[08:03] <zachary> thanks hellfire
[08:04] <danko123456> if yo are root, yes...
[08:04] <danko123456> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:04] <nickrud> CrustyPunk, unless someone tells you otherwise, replace /etc/apt/sources.list with http://pastebin.com/288853
[08:04] <danko123456> thats for you, zachary
[08:05] <nickrud> CrustyPunk, then you'll have access
[08:05] <CrustyPunk> Ten-four
[08:05] <danko123456> nickrud: oooooh, nice...thats mine now...
[08:05] <nickrud> I'm tired of lame sources.list
[08:06] <zachary> nickrud sources.list is the most annoying file i've ever edited
[08:06] <danko123456> well, its good for comments:)
[08:06] <nickrud> zachary, it's simple, it's just political
[08:06] <nickrud> or, not just :)
[08:07] <Dr_Melectaus> How long has Ubuntu been around then? id of thought it would be better known
[08:07] <danko123456> not even, do you have a university diploma, nickrud?
[08:07] <benplaut> ^^1 year and a few months?
[08:07] <nickrud> danko123456, no, just seat of the pants
[08:07] <danko123456> whats that? Im ESL, ill dict.
[08:07] <Dr_Melectaus> shit is that all?
[08:07] <Dr_Melectaus> 1 year?
[08:07] <rob_lt> john@diablo:~$ uname -r
[08:07] <rob_lt> 2.6.12-1-686
[08:07] <rob_lt> :)
[08:07] <danko123456> yeah, like, 4.10
[08:08] <danko123456> that is the one I got.
[08:08] <danko123456> hey, rob.
[08:08] <rob_lt> Well, my machine is not on fire
[08:08] <danko123456> Good, stuff.
[08:08] <egg|hardened> rob_lt, you are crazy
[08:08] <rob_lt> thanks for your help guys/gals.
[08:08] <danko123456> yeah, a bunch of gals here...
[08:08] <rob_lt> just trying to be PC ;)
[08:08] <zachary> i understand the logistics behind the restricted formats
[08:08] <danko123456> bah, whats with the politics references tonight?
[08:09] <danko123456> logistics.
[08:09] <egg|hardened> rob_lt, wish you *crash*
[08:09] <zachary> thanks for the help i think now i'm just going to rip in ogg vorbis
[08:09] <zachary> because my player supports it
[08:09] <rob_lt> egg|hardened, you wish my system would crash?  Why would you say something like that :(
[08:09] <Tezkah> oh yeah?
[08:09] <Tezkah> ryan@averatux:~$ uname -r
[08:09] <egg|hardened> rob_lt, ^_^ just joke
[08:10] <count0nz> my machine shuld be onfire :)
[08:10] <count0nz> temp1:       +32C  (high =    +4C, hyst =  +120C)   sensor = diode   ALARM
[08:10] <count0nz> temp2:     +46.5C  (high =  +120C, hyst =  +120C)   sensor = diode
[08:10] <danko123456> zachary, its easy:)
[08:10] <Tezkah> 2.8.0-1-686
[08:10] <Tezkah> YES
[08:10] <rob_lt> egg|hardened, :)
[08:10] <danko123456> wow, count0nz.
[08:10] <count0nz> 114.8F cpu temp
[08:10] <danko123456> tezkah....mhm...
[08:10] <zachary> danko i had a good time learning how to do alot of stuff from being a newb and compiling mplayer all in the first night
[08:10] <zachary> i hated that
[08:10] <thoreauputic> Tezkah: you invented a time machine?
[08:11] <rob_lt> zachary, ouch... trial by fire
[08:11] <danko123456> heh, well, I have a compilation instruction that is easy.
[08:11] <count0nz> Goes and cooks my eggs
[08:11] <CrustyPunk> Mm
[08:11] <CrustyPunk> Eggs sound good
[08:11] <zachary> i wanted to use rhthym box like itunes but everytime i tried to open a mp3 it would scream i need a plugin
[08:11] <count0nz> heatsink is nice and cool tho
[08:11] <rob_bed> 'night all
[08:11] <CrustyPunk> But if I go to the kitchen I'll wake my parents up
[08:11] <zachary> i installed all the gstreamer business
[08:11] <danko123456> yup.
[08:11] <danko123456> rob_bed: ^
[08:11] <zachary> so i thought maybe the w32 codecs was what i needed
[08:12] <Tezkah> is someone insulting my 2.8 kernel?
[08:12] <Amaranth> zachary: You got gstreamer-mad?
[08:12] <Tezkah> hehe
[08:12] <danko123456> tezkah...just nodding, and smiling...
[08:12] <Madpilot> count0nz: I'm getting the impression that the sensor util (lm-sensors) needs pretty serious calibration before you can take it seriously.
[08:12] <Tezkah> well you see, along with kernel 2.8, they added a new feature
[08:12] <Tezkah> you can go back in time on IRC
[08:12] <danko123456> Amaranth: I just sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-*
[08:12] <Tezkah> its fun
[08:12] <danko123456> ha
[08:12] <danko123456> :)
[08:13] <danko123456> sweet, we could never know,.
[08:13] <Tezkah> everyone uses gentoo now
[08:13] <danko123456> Im talking to the computer here...
[08:13] <Madpilot> count0nz: somebody earlier this weekend posted that their CPU temp was over 4 MILLION C...
[08:13] <danko123456> f that, Tezkah.
[08:13] <count0nz> Madpilot, agree its not that hot to the touch so i doughtits that hot
[08:13] <Dr_Melectaus> is it debian that ubuntu is based on?
[08:13] <Tezkah> Dr_Melectaus: yes
[08:13] <count0nz> Madpilot, kewl ;)
[08:13] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: yes
[08:13] <Dr_Melectaus> Cool
[08:13] <Dr_Melectaus> :)
[08:13] <danko123456> yeah,, not bad.
[08:13] <count0nz> this is a 1600 Duron running 1800 :) 2Ghz :)
[08:14] <danko123456> well, whatever, I would let it run at lower...
[08:14] <count0nz> but still its not 100F
[08:14] <danko123456> same crap...
[08:14] <Tezkah> this is a K7 2000+, running 400mhz
[08:14] <Madpilot> count0nz: they posted the number as something like 4,555,123 C, and wanted to know what that was in F - thought it might be a normal temp...
[08:14] <egg|hardened> fsb
[08:14] <Tezkah> Madpilot: was that the temp output?
[08:14] <count0nz> Tezkah, nice
[08:14] <danko123456> Madpilot: what?
[08:14] <danko123456> not even?
[08:15] <Tezkah> count0nz: gotta love powernowd, keeping the lappy nice and cool (athcool helps too)
[08:15] <count0nz> Madpilot, :) oh god i think the room whuld be vaporised at that kind of tempure :)
[08:15] <danko123456> :-/
[08:15] <Madpilot> Tezkah, danko123456: somebody's lm-sensor numbers from a few days ago here. An American who didn't know celsius
[08:15] <danko123456> no?
[08:15] <CrustyPunk> Time to reboot and see if it worked
[08:15] <Madpilot> and didn't know how badly borked numbers like that are!
[08:16] <Dr_Melectaus> oh jesus christ O_O im downloading ubuntu at 2.28kbs
[08:16] <danko123456> no rebooting, are you in linux?
[08:16] <Dr_Melectaus> 82 hours ?!?
[08:16] <danko123456> dr, get a torrent
[08:16] <abarbaccia> Dr_Melectaus, bt
[08:16] <Dr_Melectaus> allright
[08:16] <count0nz> 32F = 0 C 100C is Bong 0C is freezeing
[08:16] <egg|hardened> Dr_Melectaus, O_0
[08:16] <benplaut> OK, wish me luck
[08:16] <Dr_Melectaus> uhm, where can i get a torrent for ubuntu
[08:16] <danko123456> bong?
[08:16] <CrustyPunk> Danko
[08:16] <count0nz>  /s/bong/boiling
[08:16] <CrustyPunk> Yes I am
[08:16] <count0nz> LOL
[08:16] <benplaut> upgraded initrd-tools, and going for a boot!
[08:16] <danko123456> crusty, what did you do?
[08:16] <danko123456> no rebooting, almost...
[08:17] <Madpilot> count0nz: bong/boiling/same thing. glad some Americans know C!
[08:17] <egg|hardened> Dr_Melectaus, 38400 bps old modem?
[08:17] <Tezkah> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
[08:17] <Dr_Melectaus> nah i have 1meg
[08:17] <count0nz> Madpilot, lol
[08:17] <benplaut> if you see me back again in about five minutes, it means i lived :)
[08:17] <count0nz> :)
[08:17] <Tezkah> You can download the ISO file directly, or join the Torrent by downloading the equivalent .torrent file from the download site of your choice.
[08:17] <danko123456> yeah, but air dont boil, americans:-p
[08:17] <egg|hardened> Dr_Melectaus, try BT
[08:17] <CrustyPunk> Danko: I was getting the xorg drivers
[08:18] <Dr_Melectaus> yea where can i get a good torrent for it though
[08:18] <danko123456> dr, get the torrent of teh site
[08:18] <Dr_Melectaus> if you know of any
[08:18] <danko123456> dr, the site has it...
[08:18] <egg|hardened> Dr_Melectaus, try "linux BT" project?
[08:18] <Dr_Melectaus> k
[08:18] <egg|hardened> g
[08:18] <danko123456> no, I mean, google would know, were it not right there on the site.
[08:19] <abarbaccia> 30% of internet traffic is from bt
[08:19] <Dr_Melectaus> ill get the install/live dvd one
[08:19] <Madpilot> 4 million C is, apparently, about the temp of the surface of the sun...
[08:19] <danko123456> dr, why do you feel like a royal "spastic"?:)
[08:20] <Dr_Melectaus> danko123456: because i ask t many Q's
[08:20] <danko123456> dr, get a torrent of the install, you have dial up...
[08:20] <Dr_Melectaus> :(
[08:20] <george_> i know i am not welcome here but i have one question left if anyone can help me
[08:20] <danko123456> I know, it was in the post.
[08:20] <egg|hardened> Madpilot, no,6000
[08:20] <george_> why is agnubis missing from the ubuntu repositories
[08:20] <count0nz> abarbaccia, yes
[08:20] <danko123456> george_: yeah, youre not welcome, why are you asking?
[08:20] <thoreauputic> cerebral palsy is not correlated with stupidity
[08:20] <danko123456> haha
[08:21] <danko123456> thoreauputic: >>?
[08:21] <count0nz> Madpilot, LOL i thourt it around that i was figureing the room whuld kinda be plasma or something
[08:21] <egg|hardened> >_>
[08:21] <george_> danko123456, well i am trying to find the file agnubis and i don't see it in any of the ubuntu repositories and yet it is so important as a gnu program
[08:21] <danko123456> george_: lets find it:)
[08:21] <Madpilot> egg|hardened: close enough :) far warmer than a CPU should be reporting, anyway...
[08:21] <danko123456> nope, not in the repos.
[08:22] <danko123456> lets see if marillat has it.
[08:22] <Tezkah> hmm, how would I check the temp of my cpu?
[08:22] <count0nz> yes.... the surface temp is not that hot realy :)
[08:22] <danko123456> tezkah, you could touch it to see...
[08:22] <Tezkah> well yeah
[08:22] <danko123456> If you really wanted to kno...
[08:22] <Tezkah> thats how I do it now
[08:22] <count0nz> Tezkah, if you have lmsensors installed type sensors it shuld report it
[08:22] <danko123456> me too, all the time.
[08:22] <george_> danko123456, how could ubuntu miss such an important part of gnome office
[08:23] <count0nz> i allways touch my cpu :)
[08:23] <Tezkah> lm-sensors, ah
[08:23] <danko123456> george_: I am not a MOTU, cant tell you...
[08:23] <Tezkah> I like that I'm actually smart enough to find things nowadays
[08:23] <danko123456> they can prolly put it.
[08:24] <george_> danko123456, well i guess if nobody knows ....i am out of here...i have many other things to work on.
[08:24] <danko123456> count0nz: daily?
[08:24] <danko123456> hah, moron.
[08:24] <danko123456> anyhow...:-p
[08:24] <count0nz> danko123456, not daily lol hay whats VBAT ?
[08:24] <danko123456> dict.
[08:25] <CrustyPunk> Um.. I think I made it worse. =o
[08:25] <CrustyPunk> It won't even let me pull up the resolution change dialog box
[08:25] <count0nz> :(
[08:25] <Burgundavia> CrustyPunk, are you using the ati drivers?
[08:25] <john_> what program will work in ubuntu that is like stardocks objectdock
[08:25] <danko123456> crusty, to restart X, alt+ctrl+del.
[08:26] <CrustyPunk> I was told to get the xorg dribvers
[08:26] <danko123456> backspace, rather...:(
[08:26] <dr_willis> heh like many know what objectdoc does. :P
[08:26] <Tezkah> No sensors found!
[08:26] <Tezkah> hmm, ruh roh
[08:26] <danko123456> dr_willis: heh...
[08:26] <danko123456> two doctors, eh?
[08:26] <egg|hardened> CrustyPunk: recompiling?
[08:26] <dr_willis> Tezkah,  you ran sensors-config ?
[08:27] <danko123456> egg|hardened: isnt he changing res?
[08:27] <Tezkah> bash: sensors-config: command not found
[08:27] <john_> its a os x like dock
[08:27] <danko123456> ha, you never installed it.
[08:27] <dr_willis> try 'sens<tab>" :P
[08:27] <egg|hardened> xorg's host.def
[08:27] <dr_willis> john_,  theres dozens of dock/warf/whatever/thinggies out there. :P
[08:27] <Tezkah> ah. hmm
[08:27] <CrustyPunk> "The X Server does not spport the XRandR extension. Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available."
[08:28] <john_> is the a page that has screenshots that compares them dr_willis ?
[08:28] <Madpilot> quick Q: which kernel # does Hoary use?
[08:28] <dr_willis> john_,  proberly not :P they all suck. :P
[08:28] <danko123456> uname -r
[08:29] <Madpilot> trying to run sensors_detect here...
[08:29] <abarbaccia> god - make modules takes YEARSSS
[08:29] <john_> or text descriptions
[08:29] <dr_willis> john_,  ive jsut seen dozens if implementions of dock-like things.. Ya could check out that gdesklets
[08:29] <Invisible> Madpilot, 2.6.10
[08:29] <Madpilot> thx all.
[08:29] <Tezkah> or just use XFCE
[08:29] <Tezkah> so hot
[08:30] <wdh> :P
[08:30] <CrustyPunk> Danko: was that uname -r directed at me? *confused*
[08:30] <danko123456> Madpilot.
[08:30] <CrustyPunk> Okay.
[08:30] <danko123456> kk
[08:31] <john_> i have xfce :) still need to try it out more it was nice and fast
[08:31] <CrustyPunk> As soon as I logged back in I got bombarded with updates
[08:31] <CrustyPunk> Mayhaps that'll help?
[08:31] <danko123456> VBAT Battery 3.14 V <<[08:32] <danko123456> its not a q.
[08:32] <Tezkah> xfce is my main desktop now
[08:32] <john_> is there a simple way to import my firefox/outlook 2003 mail/settings
[08:32] <CrustyPunk> "The X Server does not spport the XRandR extension. Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available."
[08:33] <CrustyPunk> Can anyone explain that to a LinuxNub? =x
[08:33] <danko123456> csv.
[08:33] <Tezkah> john_: firefox settings is easy
[08:33] <Tezkah> just export your bookmarks... and that should be it
[08:33] <Tezkah> Outlook would be a lot more tricky
[08:33] <danko123456> not even
[08:33] <danko123456> just export to like thunderbird
[08:33] <benplaut> AARG!
[08:34] <sanggol> heya ... i'm new to ubuntu
[08:34] <benplaut> DIDN'T WORK!!!
[08:34] <benplaut> hi sanggol
[08:34] <danko123456> bookmarks, manage bookmarks
[08:34] <Tezkah> hi sanggol, the first step is admitting you have an addiction
[08:34] <sanggol> dload the live cd and liked it :)
[08:34] <Invisible> hi sanggol
[08:34] <danko123456> File menu, import export
[08:34] <danko123456> for firefox.
[08:34] <CrustyPunk> Heh
[08:34] <benplaut> Tezkah: ...true...true...
[08:35] <sanggol> ok Tezkah ... i'm addicted
[08:35] <CrustyPunk> Yeah, I downloaded Ubuntu and immediately liked it better than Slackware
[08:35] <Tezkah> now sanggol ... do you feel a need to use ubuntu... when you're all alone?
[08:35] <john_> i got the bookmarks imported i wanted the stored passwords/extentions too
[08:35] <Tezkah> or are you more of a social ubuntu user?
[08:35] <CrustyPunk> I'm still a little shaky and trying to get everything doing what it's supposed to though. D=
[08:35] <sanggol> haven't really installed it ... just phasing out a really bad os
[08:35] <danko123456> I hide behind the couch and use ubuntu.
[08:35] <Tezkah> CrustyPunk: apt-get is awesome
[08:35] <Tezkah> I sometimes use ubuntu in the toilet...
[08:35] <sanggol> i got fedora in one machine though
[08:35] <CrustyPunk> Tezkah: That it is
[08:36] <CrustyPunk> But Apt-Get isn't fixing my resolution problem =P
[08:36] <Tezkah> ah, what is it again?
[08:36] <danko123456> john_: ha
[08:36] <Tezkah> okay
[08:36] <CrustyPunk> I'm stuck in 640x480
[08:36] <sanggol> dunno ... just gotta see if it grows on me ... i think it will
[08:37] <sanggol> gotta question though
[08:37] <danko123456> CrustyPunk: you using gaim?
[08:37] <sanggol> re: pppoe
[08:37] <daniels> CrustyPunk: let me guess -- integrated intel graphics on a desktop?
[08:37] <danko123456> pppoeconf
[08:37] <danko123456> ha
[08:37] <danko123456> daniels: no a simple binary, was it?
[08:37] <sanggol> heh
[08:37] <CrustyPunk> Dan: ATI Radeon 9600 128mb <3
[08:38] <Tezkah> "The problem with the Xrandr is a known issue with ATI and nvidia drivers. The only way you can change the resolution is by editing /etc/xorg.conf."
[08:38] <sanggol> duh?
[08:38] <CrustyPunk> Someone pointed me to the xorg drivers but that didn't fix it
[08:38] <danko123456> CrustyPunk: if you are using gaim, please try typing in dank<tab> to see tab completion:)
[08:38] <daniels> danko123456: ?
[08:38] <CrustyPunk> I'm not =P
[08:38] <daniels> CrustyPunk: hmm.  oh, xrandr, right.
[08:38] <CrustyPunk> I'm using X-Chat
[08:39] <danko123456> kk
[08:39] <slak> THE DOCTOR IS IN
[08:39] <Tezkah> tab completion also works, CrustyPunk CrustyPunk CrustyPunk
[08:39] <CrustyPunk> Actually, I think X-Chat has a complete too
[08:39] <Tezkah> and in IRC... and in bash...
[08:39] <CrustyPunk> Great minds think alike?
[08:39] <danko123456> I dont think alike...
[08:39] <danko123456> so...
[08:39] <ivoks> Tezkah: and the best completion is in zsh ;)
[08:39] <john_> can my stored passwords be imported/extentions?
[08:39] <saber_> i just created my first dvd movie backup! go me!
[08:40] <danko123456> woot
[08:40] <sanggol> here's a really dumb question. how easy is it to config pppoe on ubuntu? how??
[08:40] <saber_> http://kavlon.org/index.php/dvdbackup             <- reliable guide
[08:40] <slak> I AM HERE TO ABORT THE DEFORMED FETUS THAT IS UBUNTU LINUX
[08:40] <CrustyPunk> Tezkah: I also edited the xorg.conf and tht didn't appear to help either
[08:40] <danko123456> lol
[08:40] <danko123456> :)
[08:41] <ivoks> :))
[08:41] <danko123456> that was too funny.
[08:41] <IceDC571> does ubuntu support bluetooth out of the box?
[08:41] <Tezkah> CrustyPunk: have you restarted the xserver?
[08:41] <danko123456> whatta/koji freak
[08:41] <CrustyPunk> Yeah
[08:41] <danko123456> lmao
[08:42] <sanggol> great...all these years and ppl still mess around chatrooms good one daniels
[08:42] <benplaut> ^^um... that was odd...
[08:42] <danko123456> I am gonna save that as a quote, that should be in the topic...
[08:42] <daniels> there are better things to be putting in the topic
[08:42] <CrustyPunk> Tezkah: Did you see the error message I get when trying to get to the resolution dialog box?
[08:42] <SlicerDicer-> greetings people I am wondering if I can use KDE with ubuntu?
[08:42] <SlicerDicer-> I really dont want to use gnome
[08:42] <sanggol> can anyone pont me to where i can read abt pppoe config on ubuntu???
[08:42] <yacoob_> SlicerDicer-: look for kubuntu
[08:42] <daniels> SlicerDicer-: see #kubuntu
[08:43] <danko123456> right, but that was funny, tho, c'mon now...
[08:43] <SlicerDicer-> good stuff
[08:43] <SlicerDicer-> thanks guys
[08:43] <lms> sanggol: sudo pppoeconf
[08:43] <danko123456> SlicerDicer-: you can install it.
[08:43] <yacoob_> Bah.
[08:43] <danko123456> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:43] <sanggol> tnx lms but doh
[08:43] <yacoob_> memtest has found single error bit :|
[08:43] <SlicerDicer-> does kubuntu do 64bit?
[08:43] <Tezkah> CrustyPunk: something about XRandR extension, right?
[08:43] <sanggol> like i said i'm new to linux
[08:43] <CrustyPunk> yea
[08:44] <CrustyPunk> h
[08:44] <CrustyPunk> The X Server doesn't support it.
[08:44] <danko123456> open a terminal, and type that in as a command.
[08:44] <sanggol> ahh gotcha ... tnx lms
[08:44] <ubuntu> hi
[08:44] <danko123456> yo!!!!!!
[08:44] <xulin> i have a big pb :s
[08:44] <Tezkah> I don't konw...
[08:45] <danko123456> I cant wait to hear that one.
[08:45] <xulin> make the update of kernel and dont dont now :s
[08:45] <sanggol> any1 here in china?
[08:45] <danko123456> ha
[08:45] <SlicerDicer-> ok well question for ya then guys. Ubuntu AMD64 does it do emulation of 32bit stuff so I can run games. And for that matter do I need livecd or install cd what is the prefered method?
[08:45] <danko123456> xulin: um...what? you dont know?
[08:45] <john_> crap 60 megs of updates on dialup
[08:45] <danko123456> SlicerDicer-: yes, chroot, maybe someone knows more.
[08:45] <CrustyPunk> Ouch
[08:46] <sanggol> tnx for ur help ppl. ya'll have a good one
[08:46] <john_> lol
[08:46] <danko123456> u2
[08:46] <SlicerDicer-> danko123456: blah chroot sucks
[08:46] <danko123456> ok, then.
[08:46] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: ?
[08:46] <CrustyPunk> Tezkah, I'm updating the kernel. Could that possibly help?
[08:46] <SlicerDicer-> danko123456: I havent run a chroot ever with 64bit in gentoo... I am not about to start now I would rather stay with busted stuff sorry
[08:46] <Tezkah> I have no idea, I'm not familiar with ATI drivers
[08:46] <Tezkah> I just see that its an ATI thing
[08:46] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: ?
[08:47] <SlicerDicer-> I am only considering going to ubuntu cause my sound is really borked in gentoo :)
[08:47] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: man debootstrap
[08:47] <CrustyPunk> ATI: Good for games, bad for everything else.
[08:47] <john_> is the a way to get firefox 1.04 with the package manager everything i see looks like 1.02
[08:47] <daniels> ati/nvidia wars are offtopic here, dudes
[08:47] <SlicerDicer-> ivoks: does emul libs exist so you dont have to do chroot?
[08:47] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: you are changing distribution cause of sound?
[08:47] <SlicerDicer-> ivoks: 2 weeks of bullshit so I may yes
[08:47] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: there is nothing to emulate, man :)
[08:47] <danko123456> he has a ati...thats why he says it sucks
[08:47] <CrustyPunk> daniels: it's not a war, it's me bashing my own card =P
[08:47] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: so... you know about linux - nothing?
[08:48] <Nikita> SlicerDicer-: Gentoo to Ubuntu because you can't get your sound working.. That's pitiful.
[08:48] <Nikita> Linux MiKai 2.6.11-gentoo-r6-Optima4 #5 SMP Sun May 22 02:58:33 UTC 2005 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[08:48] <thoreauputic> john_: the ubuntu 1.02 is patched to the same security level as 1.04
[08:48] <daniels> Nikita: ease up on the condescention, please
[08:48] <Dr_Melectaus_> xulin, are you the creator of ubuntu ?
[08:48] <danko123456> nikita:)
[08:48] <daniels> CrustyPunk: regardless of what it is, please leave it at the door
[08:48] <danko123456> haha
[08:48] <SlicerDicer-> fuck you very much Nikita I have spent 2 weeks and totally screwed the minds of several devlopers so bite me
[08:48] <danko123456> haha
[08:48] <danko123456> awesomke
[08:48] <danko123456> sweet night
[08:48] <SlicerDicer-> if I cant get a simple answer without being flamed then sod off
[08:48] <xulin> Dr_Melectaus, no why :s ?
[08:48] <Nikita> SlicerDicer-: you missed my point.
[08:48] <daniels> SlicerDicer-: watch the language, please
[08:48] <CrustyPunk> Haha
[08:49] <Nikita> SlicerDicer-: it's alright though you would have missed it if I stapled it to your cock
[08:49] <CrustyPunk> Can't say I've ever heard anyone use that term in actual conversation.
[08:49] <SlicerDicer-> sorry daniels
[08:49] <SlicerDicer-> whats that CrustyPunk?
[08:49] <danko123456> xulin: did you have a question?
[08:49] <Dr_Melectaus_> xulin, you came in with the nick ununtu O_o
[08:49] <CrustyPunk> "F-U Very Much"
[08:49] <john_> but features are missing cant both be run at the same time
[08:49] <SlicerDicer-> lol
[08:49] <ivoks> CrustyPunk: sod off? :)
[08:49] <scapor> Hey, how do I fsck my / partition ?  I mean .. I can't find a ay to mount it that way I can do it .. itf it's mounted it's not possible .. I should mount it read-only ;. but will it be able to repair stuff then ?
[08:49] <daniels> Nikita: please go read the ubuntu code of conduct and come back when you've done so
[08:49] <Nikita> daniels: My language wasn't a portion of some others.
[08:49] <pd_> interesting day here
[08:50] <CrustyPunk> Heh
[08:50] <levander> scapor: you sure you not supposed to do that with the filesystem unmounted?
[08:50] <CrustyPunk> Why is it that I always end up until four in the morning?
[08:50] <levander> CrustyPunk: because you have no discipline
[08:50] <scapor> levander: but how can I .. it's my / partition ???
[08:50] <xulin> Dr_Melectaus, yes i am with the livecd :s .. the update of the kernel don't work on that box :s
[08:50] <CrustyPunk> I was specifically planning to go to bed early tonight, yet here I am, trying to fix my computer at 3:00 am
[08:50] <Tezkah> where would I choose my X11 cursor?
[08:50] <Dr_Melectaus_> ahh
[08:50] <danko123456> ha, go to bed, dude:)
[08:50] <SlicerDicer-> ivoks: what I am asking is if I am running a pure 64bit enviroment well 32bit binaries will not work on those 64bit libs so are there emul libs that allow the 32bit apps to run just like fedora has just like the nvidia drivers have even and just like gentoo has
[08:50] <levander> scapor: you have to boot off a rescue disk or something like that I think
[08:50] <danko123456> its 2 here.
[08:51] <scapor> :|
[08:51] <SlicerDicer-> ivoks: perhaps I did not make clear what I was talking about :)
[08:51] <Tezkah> this gentoo readme points at ~/.Xdefaults, but I don't have that file
[08:51] <levander> scapor: check out knoppix, is supposed to be great for that type of stuff
[08:51] <daniels> SlicerDicer-: yes, there are emulation libraries, and you can also run a 32-bit chroot if you want
[08:51] <SlicerDicer-> daniels: I really dont want to do chroot
[08:51] <CrustyPunk> Levander: It's not that I don't have discipline, it's more that my computer all of a sudden decided it'd be cool to think I have a 640x480 max graphics card =P
[08:51] <thoreauputic> Tezkah: you might want to install gcursors
[08:51] <SlicerDicer-> daniels: thats why I was asking if there was a option :) thanks for the info
[08:51] <daniels> SlicerDicer-: in that case, the emulation libraries should be all you need
[08:52] <danko123456> CrustyPunk: its all big, eh?
[08:52] <levander> CrustyPunk: so go to bed, that way you get up earlier and can work on it bright and early
[08:52] <CrustyPunk> Yup.
[08:52] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: how long do you use linux? 2, 3? weeks, ofcourse :)
[08:52] <CrustyPunk> Ever since college got out I've turned into a nearly nocturnal creature. =P
[08:53] <levander> CrustyPunk: like i was saying, no discipline
[08:53] <SlicerDicer-> ivoks: I have been using it for quite a long time buddy
[08:53] <CrustyPunk> It'd be a lack of discipline if I stayed up until 4:00 am during the school year, ;)
[08:53] <danko123456> months even?
[08:53] <SlicerDicer-> ivoks: 64bit gentoo has some massive issues so please dont judge me on problems that are outside my control
[08:53] <danko123456> no, but, wh not that chroot?
[08:54] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: doesn't seem so, cause you are changing distro cause of soundcard
[08:54] <SlicerDicer-> ivoks: man dont make me lose it on ya... gentoo has massive issues with it on my computer I have spent 2 weeks working on this
[08:54] <nqt> is there a hidden option to get the "switch workspace on root window wheeling" functionality?
[08:54] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: Gentoo uses Linux kernel!
[08:54] <SlicerDicer-> do you really want me to go into what all I have done? Maybe then you will understand why I am consdiering switching
[08:54] <danko123456> ha.
[08:54] <levander> ivoks: cut the crap, we realize that you're smarter than all of us, we don't care
[08:55] <nqt> in gnome*
[08:55] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: Ubuntu uses Linux kernel
[08:55] <danko123456> why not chroot?
[08:55] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: result will be THE SAME
[08:55] <danko123456> ha
[08:55] <SlicerDicer-> ivoks: then explain why fedora works and gentoo does not?
[08:55] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: then it will work on Gentoo too, you only need to see where is problem
[08:55] <nqt> perhaps the patches they apply
[08:55] <danko123456> gentoo compiles everything, maybe that is it..
[08:55] <SlicerDicer-> ivoks: grow up man you havent been on my end testing you dont know what I have done dont judge me
[08:55] <levander> ivoks: there's more to a distribution than the kernel
[08:55] <danko123456> and fedora is redaht.
[08:56] <ivoks> levander: we are talking about sound card support
[08:56] <danko123456> ok, well, lets fix his card:-p
[08:56] <SlicerDicer-> ivoks: the results are not the same on fedora and gentoo but they use THE SAME KERNEL!!! explain that one all mighty kick ass linux user that you are
[08:56] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: i don't judge you, i'm just saying... kernel is kernel, where ever you are :)
[08:56] <danko123456> why are you YELLING, I can read you fine...
[08:56] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: first of all, they don't use same kernel
[08:57] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: they patch it with their own patches
[08:57] <SlicerDicer-> ivoks: actually I used the fedora kernel so ha they were
[08:57] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: you could d/w fedora kernel and build it
[08:57] <SlicerDicer-> ivoks: like I said you know nothing of what I did
[08:57] <SlicerDicer-> dont judge me
[08:57] <SlicerDicer-> dont assume
[08:57] <danko123456> ok, already.
[08:57] <SlicerDicer-> when you assume well you know what they say
[08:57] <ivoks> so... you are talking about what soundcard?
[08:57] <levander> ivoks is a moron, just ignore him SlicerDicer-
[08:57] <thoreauputic> guys, take it to #ubuntu-flamers
[08:57] <SlicerDicer-> sorry man ivoks he is really getting on my nerves
[08:57] <danko123456> Im sure ivoks does not know what they say, he is ESL.
[08:58] <SlicerDicer-> I am trying to ask some serious questions here and he wont stop
[08:58] <ivoks> :)
[08:58] <xulin> danko123456, sorry :s after the update dont make a lilo on this fukin lilo box :s .. it work now :s
[08:58] <danko123456> ha, what sound card?
[08:58] <john_> does anyone know why i am downloading somethin i can no longer access other sites? is there a way to fix this didnt have a problem in windows
[08:58] <SlicerDicer-> audigy 2 plat
[08:58] <ivoks> heh... i'm trying to help him.. he will change distro and have same results, and then he will be pissed off :)
[08:58] <danko123456> k, xulin, explain what you mean, I dont understand your english well.
[08:59] <danko123456> ivoks, k, cool, I kno, well, audigy 2...
[08:59] <SlicerDicer-> ivoks: give this a look http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-340801.html maybe you can help me if so I would gladly fix it and stick with gentoo
[08:59] <SlicerDicer-> ivoks: I would be very happy actually if you could :)
[08:59] <ivoks> SlicerDicer-: that soundcard is supported in CVS alsa :))
[08:59] <ivoks> fedora has CVS alsa, gentoo doesn't
[08:59] <ivoks> and ubuntu, man, he has even older ALSA :)
[08:59] <danko123456> exactly, so he can write out those conf files and that.
[08:59] <SlicerDicer-> man fuck this I am out
[09:00] <danko123456> Awesome, he left:)
[09:00] <ivoks> omg...
[09:00] <danko123456> man ppl leave like that...
[09:00] <ivoks> i just told him where is problem... and he's angry
[09:00] <danko123456> Use empathy:-p
[09:00] <poningru> guys just put took back about 5 gigs from the win partition and created its own partition as reif
[09:01] <poningru> but ubuntu doesnt auto mount it at startup
[09:01] <poningru> what do I do?
[09:01] <ivoks> poningru: did you add partition to /etc/fstab?
[09:01] <john_> rofl
[09:01] <poningru> ah no
[09:01] <danko123456> john_: hah
[09:02] <IIIEars_away> poninggru - It is easy to do.
[09:02] <danko123456> hes back, I guess...
[09:02] <ivoks> poningru: do you know how to do that?
[09:02] <happysushi> can someone tell me how i can make my computer search for and connect to the nearest wireless network at bootup?
[09:02] <poningru> probably
[09:02] <ivoks> ok
[09:02] <poningru> but please remain on hand
[09:02] <xulin> danko123456, after the update .. the box don't boot .. because i don't make a "sudo lilo" :/ that's all
[09:02] <poningru> if I cant
[09:03] <john_> i miss not being on dialup :(
[09:03] <danko123456> xulin, can you boot it off the cd, and create a boot loader?
[09:03] <ivoks> poningru: well, open /etc/fstab in your favourite editor
[09:04] <danko123456> as root user
[09:04] <ivoks> of cours..
[09:04] <danko123456> ivoks, the menu is not under discussion
[09:04] <ivoks> ?
[09:04] <danko123456> haha, nis
[09:04] <IIIEars_away> sudo -s gedit
[09:05] <danko123456> its just, everyone is saying totally awkward stuff...like john missing dial up...what does he use now??
[09:05] <ivoks> gedit?
[09:05] <ivoks> ah... ok, gedit :)
[09:05] <danko123456> sudo -s gedit ha
[09:05] <poningru> does the space matter?
[09:05] <john_> how do you edit the menus in gnome?
[09:05] <ivoks> poningru: nope...
[09:05] <poningru> smeg
[09:05] <danko123456> gnome-menu-editor
[09:05] <IIIEars_away> NP - you can't learn through Osmosis - gota ask someone how.
[09:06] <ivoks> poningru: they say, true linux admin is that one that has all columns in fstab lined :)
[09:06] <IIIEars_away> like changing your nick.. - had to ask the first time. -  Doh!
[09:06] <danko123456> you can learn through osmosis, they are doing research now...
[09:06] <danko123456> IIIEars, whats with the nicks?
[09:07] <poningru> rofl
[09:07] <john_> i said i miss not being on dial up not that i miss dialup
[09:07] <IIIEars_away> lol - just spent an hour driving around. - i read the log for answers
[09:07] <danko123456> what is the diff?
[09:08] <IIIEars_away> ah - heck - i need to reclaim my other nick from myself. ...
[09:08] <danko123456> john, oh yeah, Im ^...
[09:08] <ivoks> danko123456: difference beetwen two files
[09:08] <poningru> do I have to give it another mounting area?
[09:08] <poningru> like instead of /
[09:08] <ivoks> poningru: of course
[09:09] <danko123456> a folder.
[09:09] <ivoks> poningru: and you have to create that dir
[09:09] <danko123456> mount the device to a folder
[09:09] <danko123456> dir
[09:09] <ivoks> danko123456: folder is in windows :)
[09:09] <poningru> hmm ic can it be in my home dir?
[09:09] <danko123456> :)
[09:09] <danko123456> yeah yeah...
[09:09] <IIIEars__> lol
[09:09] <ivoks> poningru: yes, but...
[09:09] <tim73> hey hey
[09:09] <danko123456> I use windows 8 hrs in a day.
[09:09] <ivoks> poningru: don't go there if you are beginner :)
[09:09] <poningru> ?
[09:09] <poningru> please explain
[09:10] <danko123456> cause you wanted a larger one there...
[09:10] <ivoks> poningru: you'll have to copy all your files first
[09:10] <IIIEars__> type an example.
[09:10] <tim73> ubuntu
[09:10] <danko123456> hey, tim.
[09:10] <ivoks> robitaille: hi :) nice thread on firefox bug :)
[09:10] <danko123456> ubuntu right back at ya:-/
[09:10] <tim73> hey i like this linux
[09:10] <john_> if i can get a few problems working im deleting my windows partion
[09:11] <poningru> wait what ff bug?
[09:11] <robitaille> ivoks,  which bug is that?
[09:11] <poningru> heh
[09:11] <IIIEars__> tim73 - Welcome!
[09:11] <danko123456> tim73: yeah, I guess linux is ok...
[09:11] <Amaranth> poningru: lots of them, appearently
[09:11] <poningru> do you guys bugzilla?
[09:11] <ivoks> robitaille: that with 1.0.2 and 1.0.4
[09:11] <poningru> yeah I had a suggestion about that
[09:11] <poningru> bug
[09:11] <tim73> very simple to use
[09:11] <IIIEars__> Ubuntu is.
[09:11] <Amaranth> poningru: like saving files that firefox doesn't know what to do with causes an XUL error
[09:12] <robitaille> ivoks,  ah that one.  hopefully it will be solved sooner than later.  it's getting annoying for the end user
[09:12] <tim73> bet then fedora
[09:12] <poningru> why not just fix the UA string
[09:12] <danko123456> my ff sucks, I use epiphany.
[09:12] <Amaranth> poningru: and that one, yes
[09:12] <danko123456> It just doesnt do what it should...
[09:12] <ivoks> robitaille: yeah... i allready have fixed version :)
[09:12] <Amaranth> there was one other nasty bug too
[09:12] <poningru> amaranth: I know it doesnt get the attention it deserves in linux
[09:12] <danko123456> its the breezy version.
[09:12] <poningru> imho
[09:12] <john_> anyone know how to fix my problem with internet connection
[09:13] <danko123456> poningru: well, what do you know, the bugs get fixed that fast that you dont even see it.
[09:13] <danko123456> john_: yes, I see an answer before my eyes, not knowing anything about the issue..
[09:13] <poningru> anyway back to the prob at hand should I not mount it in my home folder?
[09:13] <danko123456> it is the router...power cycle.
[09:13] <danko123456> you can, but not as home.
[09:13] <poningru> ivoks: you said something about copying my files?
[09:13] <ivoks> poningru: do you have files in you home directory?
[09:13] <poningru> yeah
[09:14] <danko123456> under home.
[09:14] <poningru> well only my user name
[09:14] <ivoks> poningru: well, if you mount partition on your home, you won't be able to see that files
[09:14] <john_> i posted it already it was when i am downloading i cant access anything else
[09:14] <john_> sites time out/dont resolve
[09:14] <danko123456>  /home/poningru/reif
[09:14] <poningru> yeah can I do that?
[09:14] <ivoks> poningru: you could create another mount point in your home
[09:14] <danko123456> can you ping?
[09:15] <ivoks> poningru: for example /mnt/poingru/2ndpart
[09:15] <danko123456> I dont see y not, poningru
[09:15] <ivoks> poningru: and mount it there
[09:15] <danko123456> john, what program do you download in/?
[09:15] <poningru> ivoks: would I be able to access that as a normal user?
[09:15] <john_> sometimes i need to redial the connection to get it working again
[09:15] <ivoks> poningru: but then you have to mount that partition with your username, not root
[09:16] <poningru> hmm
[09:16] <ivoks> poningru: it's not hard :)
[09:16] <SlicerDicer-> whats the difference between the install cd and the live cd?
[09:16] <poningru> ok I guess I should make a new folder or something
[09:16] <poningru> like
[09:16] <ivoks> poningru: just couple of words in fstab
[09:16] <danko123456> he can chmod even, or something else, even in a profile file.
[09:16] <poningru> /second
[09:16] <ivoks> he can't chmod
[09:16] <thoreauputic> SlicerDicer-: they are essentially the same'
[09:16] <danko123456> yeah, /second
[09:16] <ivoks> if that's root partition
[09:17] <john_> right now the package manager but it does it on any download example if i download in firefox samething
[09:17] <ivoks> poningru: /second? so in /second, not /home/poningru/second?
[09:17] <poningru> yeah
[09:17] <ivoks> then you can't mount as plain user
[09:17] <SlicerDicer-> thoreauputic: ohh the livecd is like knoppix?
[09:17] <danko123456> john, thats weird.
[09:17] <ivoks> because root is the owner of /
[09:17] <danko123456> can you surf before that?
[09:17] <poningru> right
[09:17] <thoreauputic> SlicerDicer-: you can't install from the live CD yet, though
[09:18] <ivoks> poningru: you can create another dir in /second
[09:18] <ivoks> poningru: and chown it to user, and everything will be fine
[09:18] <IIIEars__> SlicerDicer - Once you have tried Synaptic to add applications from anywhere on the 'net. Knoppix will seem dull.
[09:18] <poningru> ivoks: if I mounted to /home/poningru/second
[09:18] <poningru> wouldnt that cause probs?
[09:18] <ivoks> poningru: no
[09:19] <danko123456> PROBLEM
[09:19] <poningru> didnt you say...
[09:19] <poningru> nevermind
[09:19] <poningru> I am an idiot
[09:19] <SlicerDicer-> damn nice mirror there for ubuntu install cd :) cant beat 893kb/sec :)
[09:19] <danko123456> that was if you were to mount to /home.
[09:19] <danko123456> not under/home.
[09:19] <ivoks> there are no problems, only different deployments
[09:19] <poningru> lol
[09:19] <danko123456> kb:-p
[09:19] <IIIEars__> SlicerDicer - keeping your syste up to date is also only one click.
[09:19] <danko123456> slicer, torrent.
[09:19] <john_> it's like it doesn't balance the load of the connection all of the bandwith seems to only go to the download and what was opened before the download started
[09:19] <ivoks> kb :)
[09:20] <danko123456> IIIEars, a three button dance away.
[09:20] <ivoks> i d/w mine at rate of 10MB/s :)
[09:20] <danko123456> ivoks, :-/ right...
[09:20] <SlicerDicer-> danko123456: I doubt the torrent would go faster my connection is going fullboar right now just about sorry it was KB/sec :)
[09:20] <ivoks> danko123456: yeah... on uni, 1gb/s link
[09:20] <danko123456> uni what?
[09:20] <poningru> yeah me too
[09:20] <ivoks> university
[09:20] <poningru> I usually have a gig connection
[09:20] <danko123456> I knew it was KB...thats why i said.
[09:20] <ivoks> me too
[09:21] <SlicerDicer-> well I dont have universtiy this is my home line and nearly 900KB/sec on a home line is damn good
[09:21] <IIIEars__> 1gig sounds awfully nice.
[09:21] <danko123456> na is not on....
[09:21] <alexmacy> hi
[09:21] <danko123456> at.
[09:21] <ivoks> IIIEars__: it is... one CD - one minute :)
[09:21] <poningru> I hate my home line
[09:21] <poningru> one more question guys
[09:21] <danko123456> no, y ou used yours up...
[09:21] <SlicerDicer-> lol
[09:21] <john_> I had mine mailed. takes took much time on dialup
[09:22] <poningru> after I save the chaanges to fstab how do I actually mount the thing without restarting
[09:22] <danko123456> mount -a
[09:22] <danko123456> sudo
[09:22] <ivoks> poningru: mount -a
[09:22] <Seveas> poningru, umount /the/dev/you/changed && mount -a
[09:22] <poningru> ah but since I am the owner no need for sudo?
[09:22] <ivoks> poningru: mount -a changes a lot, not only ur partition
[09:22] <Seveas> poningru, if you have not added 'user' to the options, you need sudo
[09:22] <danko123456> only sudo can nmount:-p
[09:23] <ivoks> poningru: did you add uid=poingru to fstab?
[09:23] <danko123456> it is in sbin, prolly.
[09:23] <poningru> heh no
[09:23] <poningru> under options?
[09:23] <ivoks> well, how do you think you'll be able to write anything there? :)
[09:23] <ivoks> yes, under options
[09:23] <ivoks> defaults,uid=poingru
[09:23] <danko123456> night.
[09:24] <runge_> hi. I am having problems installing ubuntu on hp dl145 server. it seams to have problems with the scsi-card and therefore fails to find the hds.
[09:24] <pdk001> hi all
[09:24] <ivoks> runge_: what scsi card?
[09:25] <poningru> what does the pass mean?
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[09:26] <ivoks> put 0 there
[09:26] <poningru> really?
[09:26] <ivoks> it's for fsck
[09:26] <poningru> for my hda2 it says 1
[09:26] <runge_> ivoks LSI logic /  Symbios logic 53c1030 PCI-X fusion-mpt  dual ultra320. it seams to try to use mptbase
[09:26] <ivoks> uh, ugly one...
[09:26] <poningru> err my first partition
[09:26] <poningru> what does fsck mean again? sorry noob here
[09:26] <ivoks> runge_: there is mptbase2, IIRC
[09:27] <thoreauputic> poningru: file system check
[09:27] <ivoks> poningru: filesystem check
[09:27] <poningru> ah so 1 means?
[09:27] <poningru> check at startup?
[09:27] <poningru> you know I should probably read the docs
[09:27] <ivoks> yes
[09:27] <runge_> ivoks hmm not on that cd. (64 bit version of ubuntu)
[09:27] <ivoks> runge_: i could be worng...
[09:28] <ivoks> runge_: i had problems with same card..
[09:28] <ivoks> runge_: but on debian...
[09:28] <runge_> ivoks, do you have any ideas on how to fix the problem? dmesg shows "asking for cash data failed" among other stuff about it
[09:28] <ivoks> runge_: i installed it with 2.4 kernel and then upgrade to 2.6
[09:29] <ivoks> runge_: just a sec..
[09:29] <runge_> ivoks, ah ok. I dident see any install options for 2.4 kernel. do you know if there are parameters I can pass during the startup to make ubuntu try a 2.4 kernel?
[09:29] <runge_> im rather new to ubuntu/debian
[09:29] <poningru>  umount /the/dev/you/changed
[09:29] <poningru> what does that mean?
[09:30] <poningru> does he mean /etc/fstab?
[09:30] <poningru>  <poningru> after I save the chaanges to fstab how do I actually mount the thing without restarting
[09:30] <poningru> [03:22:09]  <danko123456> mount -a
[09:30] <poningru> [03:22:11]  <danko123456> sudo
[09:30] <poningru> [03:22:15]  <ivoks> poningru: mount -a
[09:30] <poningru> [03:22:26]  <Seveas> poningru, umount /the/dev/you/changed && mount -a
[09:30] <poningru> [03:22:26]  <poningru> ah but since I am the owner no need for sudo?
[09:30] <poningru> [03:22:47]  <ivoks> poningru: mount -a changes a lot, not only ur partition
[09:30] <john_> why is it 10+megs megs to update firefox if i went and got the whole package for from mozilla.org isnt it only around 4-5megs
[09:30] <poningru> [03:22:49]  <Seveas> poningru, if you have not added 'user' to the options, you need sudo
[09:30] <poningru> thats where I got it
[09:30] <poningru> sorry for the flood
[09:30] <ivoks> runge_:
[09:31] <ivoks> runge_: sym53c8xx_2
[09:31] <ivoks> runge_: try that one...
[09:31] <poningru> john_ : they are working on it
[09:31] <ivoks> runge_: you have to preload modules somehow...
[09:31] <thoreauputic> john_: that figure is for the windows version
[09:31] <poningru> yeah
[09:32] <poningru> also they are working on a upgrader that will only download the new stuff
[09:32] <thoreauputic> john_: the linux version is around 8-9 MB
[09:32] <john_> lot bigger :( hope they can get that down
[09:32] <poningru> yeah
[09:32] <runge_> ivoks, thanks! I will try it right away
[09:32] <poningru> ivoks: do you know what seveas was saying there?
[09:32] <poningru> poningru, umount /the/dev/you/changed && mount -a
[09:32] <poningru> is it /etc/fstab ?
[09:33] <ivoks> poningru: ignore that, you didn't do anything like that
[09:33] <john_> still 10+ is a bit bigger than 8-9 not much
[09:33] <poningru> ah thanks
[09:33] <ivoks> just do sudo mount -a
[09:33] <poningru> ok gotcha
[09:33] <john_> evolotion seems much better than outlook
[09:33] <poningru> what is that for btw? just curios?
[09:34] <ivoks> that's umount partition you change and mount it again
[09:34] <thoreauputic> john_: you might find that upgrade includes something else like a language pack or gnome support
[09:34] <cyphase> i guess i did get disconnected..
[09:34] <cyphase> anyway..
[09:34] <ivoks> time to go...
[09:34] <ivoks> bye all
[09:35] <poningru> gah curses
[09:35] <poningru> forgot to thank him
[09:36] <poningru> anyway thanks every one else
[09:36] <poningru> who helped
[09:36] <poningru> anyon know where I can comment about that bug?
[09:36] <Seveas> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[09:36] <poningru> the firefox bug about 1.0.2 -> 1.0.4
[09:36] <poningru> ok thanks
[09:37] <Seveas> that's not a bug
[09:37] <john_> for kde what should i install kde? kde-base or kbuKubuntu desktop is kde-base okay started on that
[09:37] <poningru> what do you mean?
[09:37] <Seveas> kubuntu-desktop installs kde-base + others
[09:38] <poningru> oh no I dont mean harras about that
[09:38] <Seveas> that FF in ubuntu is still 1.0.2 is not a bug, it is actually 1.0.4 in disguise.
[09:38] <john_> is the a description for others?
[09:38] <poningru> yeah I know
[09:38] <poningru> the thing is since ubuntu backported
[09:38] <Seveas> john_, see the faq un kubuntu.org :)
[09:38] <poningru> aumo doesnt recognize the thing as 1.0.4
[09:38] <john_> k Seveas  thanks
[09:39] <poningru> err
[09:39] <bluemax> is there an easy way to delete everything in the trash via command line?
[09:39] <thoreauputic> poningru: the work-around is to open about:config and change the vendor string to 1.0.4
[09:39] <rixth> Is there any Linux program like Window's chkdsk (that works on ntfs drives?)
[09:39] <poningru> yeah I know
[09:39] <robitaille> poningru,  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10681
[09:39] <poningru> I dont use the normal ff
[09:39] <poningru> I use the the nightlys
[09:40] <poningru> its just people have been complaining at irc.mozill.org
[09:40] <benplaut> rixth: fsck ... i think (not sure what you need done)
[09:40] <poningru> well like two
[09:40] <Seveas> poningru: in about.config, set general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4
[09:40] <poningru> I know
[09:40] <poningru> I was offering a solution for future backports
[09:40] <rixth> benplaut, I believe my NTFS drive is dead. When I try and mount it, it acts like it's not an ntfs drive.
[09:41] <poningru> change the thing by ubuntu
[09:41] <Seveas> rixth, does sudo fdisk -l /dev/yourdrive say that it's an ntfs drive?
[09:41] <benplaut> rixth: over my head...
[09:41] <thoreauputic> bluemax: probably something like rm -r ~/.Trash
[09:42] <Seveas> thoreauputic, nooooo, that deletes .Trash as well
[09:42] <IIIEars__> rixth - ntfs is a copyright protected disk format. any developer that tried to help users with a tool to write to ntfs would likely be sued unless it used Microsoft dlls
[09:42] <poningru> seveas: do you get the solution that I am suggesting?>
[09:42] <Seveas> you want rm -r ~/.trash/*
[09:42] <bluemax> thoreauputic: ok, thanks... but where is the trash folder in the file system?
[09:42] <thoreauputic> Seveas: oops, yes you are right
[09:42] <bluemax> in my home folder?
[09:42] <poningru> yeah dude
[09:43] <Seveas> poningru, yes, ubuntu should offer this 1.0.2 to 1.0.4 as a patch
[09:43] <thoreauputic> bluemax: cd to your home .Trash
[09:43] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: then do rm * in that directory
[09:43] <bluemax> perfect, thank you
[09:43] <Xaprio> Hiya All
[09:43] <Seveas> hi
[09:44] <rixth> IIIEars, oh okay, thats good to know.
[09:44] <Xaprio> Hi Seveas
[09:44] <poningru> seveas: I am suggesting that they just change the version in UA only
[09:44] <Xaprio> Hey ubuntu lovers
[09:44] <Xaprio> please help me out
[09:44] <Xaprio> i just started working on it
[09:44] <IIIEars__> lol - I'm sorry. didn't want it to sound that strong (weak grin)
[09:44] <Xaprio> and getting an error while compiling Xine
[09:45] <Seveas> poningru, agreed, i think it's a nice option, but infeasible since this is stored in every persons homedir somewhere and you can this way easily mess up the config of people who installed FF themselve
[09:45] <Seveas> Xaprio, why are you compiling it yourself?
[09:45] <Xaprio> then?
[09:45] <thoreauputic> Xaprio: don't compile xine - use the package manager to install it
[09:45] <Xaprio> i am not having it
[09:46] <IIIEars__> rixth - A last ditch effort if the files are indespensible is to try a forensic linux distro. - time consuming to recover data but it is possible.
[09:46] <Xaprio> i means i download the lib.
[09:46] <Xaprio> but when try to install it
[09:46] <Xaprio> it gives bugs
[09:46] <thoreauputic> Xaprio: you are missing repositories
[09:46] <Seveas> Xaprio, do not do that, you can install it with system->administration->synaptic package manager
[09:46] <Xaprio> aah ok
[09:46] <Xaprio> thanks
[09:46] <Xaprio> let me try it out
[09:47] <Seveas> Xaprio, in synaptic go to setting->repositories and make sure all repositories in there are selected
[09:47] <rixth> IIIEars__, I actually just had ALOT of luck with ntfsfix (provided by ntfstools) it made me able to read my drive.
[09:47] <Seveas> and  then search for xone
[09:47] <thoreauputic> Xaprio: you need to add the universe repository
[09:47] <thoreauputic> Xaprio: and search for xine-ui or totem-xine
[09:48] <Xaprio> aah ok
[09:48] <Xaprio> thanks
[09:49] <thoreauputic> Xaprio: also remember to reload or sudo apt-get update
[09:49] <thoreauputic> after adding the repos
[09:49] <Xaprio> hmmm
[09:50] <Anubis> is there an easy way to add a splashimage to grub?
[09:50] <Anubis> via synaptic?
[09:50] <Anubis> apt-get etc?
[09:50] <holycow> yes, search for grub and splashimage
[09:50] <holycow> however ....
[09:50] <Anubis> ty
[09:50] <Xaprio> another thing
[09:50] <holycow> that won't put a splash image for the bootloader
[09:50] <Xaprio> do KDE works in Ubuntu?
[09:51] <holycow> you will still all the commands scroll by
[09:51] <holycow> for that you will haveto wait for either next, or next next release, a bootsplash is being worked on
[09:51] <thoreauputic> Xappe: yes, if you install kubuntu-desktop
[09:51] <Anubis> Xaprio, Kubunut
[09:51] <Anubis> Xaprio, Kubuntu
[09:51] <Anubis> Xaprio, #kubuntu
[09:51] <Xaprio> do it wrks?
[09:51] <thoreauputic> Xaprio: works here :)
[09:52] <Xaprio> is it same like one in Red hat manager
[09:52] <Anubis> Xaprio, don't you get it yet?
[09:52] <Xaprio> hey nice
[09:52] <Xaprio> no
[09:52] <Xaprio> i am having basic GNOME
[09:52] <Xaprio> i got the CDS from ubuntu
[09:52] <Xaprio> and they gave me a singlse CD
[09:52] <thoreauputic> Xaprio:  install kubuntu-desktop
[09:52] <Anubis> apt-get install kde
[09:52] <Xaprio> and i am having GNome and not KDE
[09:52] <holycow> Xaprio, shut the fuck up and listen
[09:53] <holycow> jesus
[09:53] <thoreauputic> Xaprio: it's a fairly big download - about 100MB
[09:53] <danBaSlon_sl> kubuntu-desktop
[09:53] <thoreauputic> Anubis: NO
[09:53] <Anubis> or switch to channel #kubuntu
[09:53] <Xaprio> aah thanka
[09:53] <thoreauputic> Anubis: the meta package is kubuntu-desktop
[09:53] <marco_> does anyone have any idea how to enable cups web interface? I mean I followed exactly the procedures listed in cups' site but ...
[09:53] <Anubis> whatever
[09:53] <Anubis> the answer was yes
[09:53] <Xaprio> thanks
[09:53] <jsgotangco> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:53] <thoreauputic> Anubis: it makes a difference
[09:54] <Anubis> thoreauputic, he would have found that out now would'nt he?
[09:54] <thoreauputic> Anubis: no, not necessrily
[09:54] <jsgotangco> stop it the answer was already given
[09:56] <Anubis> marco_, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[09:59] <benplaut> still waiting...
[10:03] <poningru> anyone who is using firefox can you do a quick check please?
[10:03] <poningru> seveas you still there?
[10:03] <poningru> anyone?
[10:04] <Burgundavia> yes, what is up?
[10:04] <Seveas> poningru, ?
[10:04] <poningru> yeah go to help->about
[10:04] <Xaprio> Hey guys
[10:04] <poningru> and can you guys see which build date it gives?
[10:04] <Xaprio> i got that xine-ui installed
[10:04] <Xaprio> now what?
[10:04] <Xaprio> i means how to start it?
[10:04] <poningru> it should be in the string
[10:04] <Seveas> 20050512
[10:04] <Seveas> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050512 Firefox/1.0 (Ubuntu package 1.0.2)
[10:05] <larsrohdin> im trying to compile something here, and get the error: checking for gtk_gl_area_new in -lgtkgl... no configure: error: Cannot find gtkglarea, is it a package missing, and in that case which?
[10:05] <poningru> you are not using breazy right?
[10:05] <Seveas> no
[10:05] <Seveas> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" \n \l
[10:05] <thoreauputic> poningru: I have the same here - May 12 I guess
[10:05] <Seveas> larsrohdin, inslall libgtkgl-dev oslt
[10:06] <larsrohdin> E: Couldn't find package libgtkgl-dev
[10:06] <poningru> ok wierd
[10:07] <Seveas> libgtkgl2.0-1 - Gimp Toolkit OpenGL area widget shared library
[10:07] <Seveas> libgtkgl2.0-dev - Gimp Toolkit OpenGL area widget include files and static library
[10:07] <larsrohdin> Seveas, i found it..
[10:07] <Seveas> poningru, why?
[10:08] <poningru> the dev for extensions with firefox
[10:09] <Xaprio> HELLO
[10:09] <Xaprio> just a q more
[10:09] <poningru> his ubuntu says
[10:09] <poningru> 20050405
[10:09] <Seveas> Xaprio, if it isn't in the menu: type in a terminal: xine
[10:10] <Seveas> poningru, did he update?
[10:10] <thoreauputic> poningru: then he's not up to date
[10:10] <Xaprio> xine: error while loading shared libraries: libSM.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:10] <Seveas> because that's the FF without the security updates
[10:10] <poningru> he updated
[10:10] <Seveas> poningru, probably not from the security repos
[10:10] <poningru> he is using ppc
[10:10] <poningru> could that do it?
[10:10] <poningru> ooh let me ask
[10:10] <larsrohdin> Seveas, now it worked. thanks!
[10:10] <Seveas> poningru, direct him to http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38 and make sure he has all these repositories
[10:11] <Seveas> yw larsrohdin
[10:11] <thoreauputic> poningru: I would guess he has his security sources commented out
[10:11] <midg3t> Why are the security sources commented out by default?
[10:11] <thoreauputic> good question
[10:11] <Seveas> midg3t, because they give errors before the release date
[10:11] <Seveas> something i hope they change for breezy
[10:11] <midg3t> ah
[10:13] <poningru> can anyone with ppc check?
[10:13] <poningru> pleas we may be able to get rid of that stupid bug
[10:13] <larsrohdin> Seveas, my first succesfull compiling! yay!
[10:13] <thoreauputic> my laptop is still on warty ppc, sorry
[10:14] <Seveas> hang on poningru
[10:14] <Gog> silly question, but when and apt-get upgrade upgrades linux-source-2.6.10, do you need to manually recompile the kernel?
[10:14] <thoreauputic> Gog: no
[10:14] <poningru> nm
[10:15] <poningru> seveas: dont worry about it
[10:15] <thoreauputic> Gog: unless you compiled the existing one, I guess
[10:15] <Gog> thoreauputic: is that not the kernel source, or is it automatic?
[10:15] <Gog> ah, ok
[10:15] <Gog> thanks
[10:15] <Seveas> i'm downloading the deb and i'll try to find it
[10:19] <poningru> anyone know if the umo has this bug with anyother vendors?
[10:19] <Burgundavia> poningru, the 1.0.4 issue?
[10:19] <runge_> anybody have a idea on how to get ubuntu installed on a hp dl145? (problems with scsi card, so it cant find the harddrives.) (LSI logic /  Symbios logic 53c1030 PCI-X fusion-mpt  dual ultra320)
[10:20] <poningru> yeah
[10:20] <poningru> that was to burgundavia btw
[10:21] <Seveas> poningru, on ppc it is also 20050512
[10:21] <bassMonkey> could someone with gdesklets check how much resources python is using when gdesklets is on? mine uses somethin like 15% of cpu...
[10:21] <lampshade> what's gdesklets, it sounds cool
[10:21] <Burgundavia> poningru, seen the bug about it. The mozilla guy was talking about it
[10:21] <thoreauputic> bassMonkey: welcome to the wonderful world of gdesklet bloat ;)
[10:21] <poningru> we have fixed the bug
[10:22] <Burgundavia> poningru, "we"?
[10:22] <bassMonkey> lampshade: try google
[10:22] <thoreauputic> bassMonkey: last time I tried gdesklets I uninstalled them within the hour as they were eating my cpu
[10:22] <count0food> my gdesklets dosent work all that great.. hardly anything works :( sad but true
[10:22] <poningru> dave
[10:22] <poningru> the guy in charge of aumo
[10:23] <bassMonkey> thoreauputic: =/
[10:23] <bassMonkey> thoreauputic: I think i'll follow your path
[10:24] <poningru> well the fixing is being done
[10:24] <poningru> check in the morn
[10:24] <L7> need help with fixing my sound when i play movies ://.. anyone please help?
[10:25] <thoreauputic> L7,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:26] <beginner> hello
[10:26] <bassMonkey> L7: what kind of movies are you talking about?
[10:26] <thoreauputic> L7, you probably need w32codecs
[10:26] <mike_douglas> can anyone tell me where /etc/X11/X is supposed to link to?
[10:26] <bassMonkey> thoreauputic: he has a sound problem...
[10:27] <thoreauputic> bassMonkey: yes, and w32codecs has, for example some quicktime sound codecs etc
[10:27] <bassMonkey> so if it's wmv there's a simple fix
[10:27] <bassMonkey> ok...
[10:29] <mike_douglas> while trying to fix breezy's X11 problem I've created a recursion of symbolic links ;)
[10:29] <thoreauputic> mike_douglas:  /usr/bin/X11/Xorg
[10:29] <thoreauputic>  is the link here
[10:30] <thoreauputic> peter@prospero:~$ ls -l /etc/X11/X
[10:30] <thoreauputic> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 17 2005-05-03 17:17 /etc/X11/X -> /usr/bin/X11/Xorg
[10:31] <mike_douglas> thoreauputic: thanks a lot
[10:31] <thoreauputic> no worries - good luck with Breezy ;)
[10:32] <mike_douglas> this is fun for me ;)
[10:32] <beginner> hello
[10:32] <thoreauputic> hello beginner
[10:32] <beginner> i want some information
[10:32] <thoreauputic> or is it cikilin?
[10:33] <beginner> yes
[10:33] <L7> bassMonkey, .avi it's nothing wrong with the sound except when i want to see movies
[10:33] <thoreauputic> L7: avi is the container, not the codec
[10:34] <thoreauputic> L7: do you have w32codecs installed, or not?
[10:34] <L7> thoreauputic, i don't know what codec i need, my friend downloaded all the codecs he could find, maybe it isn't that good to have them all?
[10:34] <L7> thoreauputic, don't know about w32
[10:34] <SlicerDicer> ummm I am confusued why did I not get a option to set root password when installing ubuntu?
[10:35] <thoreauputic> L7: did you read the URL I posted?
[10:35] <count0food> Ubuntu Dosent enable root by default :)
[10:35] <beginner> i want to set gaim to send files cause is not sending
[10:35] <SlicerDicer> argh...
[10:36] <L7> thoreauputic, yes i did, the solution i got there didn't help me
[10:36] <count0food> to use root use sudo command
[10:36] <count0food> or type sudo passwd root to enable root
[10:36] <thoreauputic> SlicerDicer: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:37] <L7> thoreauputic, i'm just gonna reboot, brb.
[10:37] <count0food> root is evil :) LOL
[10:37] <SlicerDicer> umm thats not very secure if I can set root password from user....
[10:37] <thoreauputic> SlicerDicer: read the URL I posted
[10:38] <count0food> SlicerDicer, only from the user you created ;) so its as secure as a standard ubstakk
[10:38] <holycow> i ... love ... beep
[10:38] <count0food>  /s/......./install
[10:38] <holycow> that is one awesome little media player :)
[10:38] <IIIEars> thoreaputic - Eureka! an XSCRABBLE.RPM the alien converst correctly to DEB.!!!!! :)  - My wife is going to be thrilled. - How can i give this app to the Ubuntu team.
[10:38] <count0food> beep rocks
[10:38] <beginner> is any posibility to set it or is from conection?
[10:39] <IIIEars> < sleep affects spelling????
[10:39] <L7> now it's working!!! FINALLY! :)
[10:39] <holycow> IIIEars, by not using alien, and repackaging as deb from source and making sure it follows all DEBIAN packaging guidelines
[10:39] <beginner> thoreaupeutic have any idea?
[10:39] <Burgundavia> IIIEars, we need a source deb and alien doesn't do that
[10:40] <IIIEars> lol - okay. - not knowledgeable enough yet for that. - rats! -
[10:40] <IIIEars> Thank You Holycow. :)
[10:40] <Burgundavia> IIIEars, there are some intro developer docs coming soon
[10:40] <holycow> IIIEars, it's not so difficult, but there are quite a few details to take care of ...
[10:40] <beginner> i want to set gaim to send files cause is not sending
[10:41] <holycow> Burgundavia, perhaps a guid of some sort would help eventually too :)
[10:41] <IIIEars> I'll be looking forward to that. - would love to add a few very simple scripts
[10:41] <Burgundavia> holycow, guide? yes that is what is coming
[10:41] <holycow> typo, i mean gui ...
[10:41] <Burgundavia> gui for building packages?
[10:41] <holycow> to help newbs with package resolution, etc ...
[10:41] <Burgundavia> are you crazy?
[10:42] <Burgundavia> that would produce terrible packages
[10:42] <holycow> no, but i've been called worse :)
[10:42] <SlicerDicer> another issue is I just tried to modprobe sk98lin my ethernet and well... crap... I am usto using dhcpcd lol
[10:42] <Burgundavia> if you can't handle the commandline, you shouldn't do packaging
[10:42] <WNight_> My system dies on boot with: "Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" - Anyone know how to fix this?
[10:42] <IIIEars> holycow - It isn't hard but gathering info from all over isn't fun.
[10:42] <Burgundavia> I spent most of my time filing and finding GUI/Usabilty bugs, so I am a "It's linux, use the commandline type of person"
[10:43] <holycow> IIIEars, thats what i mean by gui, it would help you put it all together, not necessarily do anythign for you
[10:43] <Burgundavia> holycow, IIIEars the major issue is that while deb is very powerful, it is not really that easy to get your feet wet
[10:43] <IIIEars> Having most info in one place would be wonderful. :)
[10:43] <Burgundavia> there are scripts
[10:43] <holycow> Burgundavia, right, thats exactly what i mean
[10:43] <Burgundavia> just no GUIs
[10:43] <thoreauputic> WNight_: after a kernel update, right?
[10:43] <Burgundavia> wnight, known bug
[10:44] <IIIEars> holycow - throw me a toy pont me there..
[10:44] <thoreauputic> WNight_: a few people are reporting this error
[10:44] <holycow> Burgundavia, i'm a command line junkie too don't get me wrong, perhaps you are right sometimes guis make things worse, so far i'm not convinced
[10:44] <forsaker8k6> g'morning
[10:44] <Burgundavia> wnight, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11135
[10:44] <holycow> but then i really need to try and make a gui and see my self i guess
[10:44] <WNight_> thoreauputic: Benplaut had that theory. I had just updated after a fresh install, yes.
[10:44] <Byakhee> hi
[10:44] <IIIEars> XScabble was indespensible. - well okay probably only to my wife - lol
[10:45] <Burgundavia> holycow, I think there too many issues with creating a gui, like the idea that anybody could package
[10:45] <count0food> Breezy install is FAST:)
[10:45] <holycow> Burgundavia, oh thats not exactly what i meant
[10:45] <holycow> Burgundavia, packagin debian compliant packages is a lot of work, i'm only thinking a gui doing a step 1 do this, step 2 do this, step 3 do this
[10:46] <holycow> and helping along the way execute scripts within an accompanying shell
[10:46] <Burgundavia> holycow, that is what a good document is for. You don't need a gui for that
[10:46] <holycow> thats just my rought idea
[10:46] <holycow> Burgundavia, ah, have you seen the debian packagin manual?
[10:46] <holycow> yow!
[10:46] <holycow> :)
[10:46] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:46] <Burgundavia> that is why IntroDeveloperDocs is coming
[10:46] <count0food> I prefer a CLI to configure a system
[10:46] <Burgundavia> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/IntroDeveloperDocs
[10:46] <holycow> makes your eyes glaze over instantly, however ...
[10:47] <holycow> Burgundavia, oh, i see what you are saying
[10:47] <holycow> ah i get the motivation now :)
[10:47] <Burgundavia> holycow, if you want to help, ping tseng in #ubuntu-motu
[10:47] <WNight_> Burgundavia: Is there a fix for it? Can you *just* chroot and run apt-get remove 'foo'?
[10:47] <holycow> i completely about not just anybody doing packaging bit tho ...
[10:47] <holycow> cool, will do
[10:48] <Burgundavia> WNight_, no idea, I haven't rebooted my machine for that very reason
[10:48] <SlicerDicer> god damn it everytime I go to use any form of debian my damn computer never has internet.... why the hell cant it see it...
[10:48] <count0food> Burgundavia, :) Good stuff :) Bookmarked :)
[10:48] <holycow> SlicerDicer, what do you mean?
[10:48] <holycow> are you behind a router?
[10:48] <rommer> how can i see what processes are running and how can i cancel one/all of them?
[10:48] <thoreauputic> rommer: ps aux , or  `top`
[10:48] <forsaker8k6> rommer, ps -afx to see the processes tree
[10:48] <SlicerDicer> holycow: I use a marrvel chipset 'sk98lin' and it wont give me a ip address I dont even think its loading the module
[10:48] <holycow> Burgundavia, hey i am going to update our sarge desktop pilot to ubuntu in the next couple of weeks ...
[10:48] <Seveas> to see them: ps aux
[10:48] <_axel> god, i cant use firefox since i last upgraded yesterday, it crashes on 70% of pages i browse, and they worked just fine before i upgraded
[10:49] <Seveas> to kill them: kill / pkill / killall
[10:49] <rommer> ok
[10:49] <forsaker8k6> and kill <procnumber> to kill
[10:49] <SlicerDicer> holycow: I would have to check but I dont think it is
[10:49] <rommer> thanks
[10:49] <_axel> i get this silly error in the console: The program 'Gecko' received an X Window System error.
[10:49] <_axel> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[10:49] <_axel> The error was 'BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)'.
[10:49] <_axel>   (Details: serial 117 error_code 8 request_code 149 minor_code 3)
[10:49] <_axel>   (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;
[10:49] <_axel>    that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.
[10:49] <WNight_> Burgundavia: Okay, I'
[10:49] <_axel>    To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line
[10:49] <_axel>    option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful
[10:49] <_axel>    backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.)
[10:49] <WNight_> Burgundavia: Okay, I'll go experiment a bit. Let you know.
[10:49] <Burgundavia> _axel, please don't flood
[10:49] <Seveas> _axel, DO NOT paste in here
[10:49] <holycow> Burgundavia, do you guys have anything standardized for testing desktop usability under such environments?
[10:49] <Burgundavia> Seveas, beat ya
[10:49] <_axel> soz
[10:49] <holycow> Burgundavia, i wouldn't mind giving back some real world feedback
[10:49] <Burgundavia> holycow, not really
[10:49] <holycow> k.
[10:49] <Burgundavia> holycow, mostly file the bug if you think it is a bug
[10:50] <SlicerDicer> holycow: the module is there I can see it when I do 'modprobe -l sk98lin'
[10:50] <Burgundavia> holycow, if you have an idea, -devel
[10:50] <Burgundavia> holycow, and file as far upstream as you can go
[10:50] <holycow> Burgundavia, okay
[10:50] <holycow> SlicerDicer, oh, i'venever heard of that chipset
[10:50] <count0nz> i started packageing xdtv but i was doing it all in the dark :) now i know how to do it properly :)
[10:50] <Super_dude> Help my sound is not working??
[10:50] <IIIEars_google> Ick - forum discussion of author wanting credit for XScrabble.  http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2001/07/msg00030.html
[10:51] <SlicerDicer> holycow: its a gigabit ethernet chip :) I manually modprobe the chip I just dont know how to get a dhcp address cause I am usto using 'dhcpcd' with gentoo if you can tell me how to do it with ubuntu that would be of great help
[10:52] <holycow> SlicerDicer, what is the content of your /etc/network/interfaces file?
[10:52] <Super_dude> How do you get sound on?
[10:52] <SlicerDicer> well I would paste it to a pastebin but I dont have a bloody connection and I am not going to hand type all that out
[10:53] <SlicerDicer> way to much bullshit in there to hand type :/
[10:53] <SlicerDicer> basic things that are not commented I will type
[10:53] <thoreauputic> Super_dude: you need to give more information like which sound card you have
[10:53] <Seveas> SlicerDicer, dhclient3 $INTERFACE
[10:54] <SlicerDicer> auto lo 'next line' iface lo inet loopback 'next line' mapping hotplug 'next line' script grep 'next line' map eth1 'there you go :)'
[10:54] <Super_dude> ty ok what is the command i used to use it was sudo modprobe ..... i forgot the rest and that fixes it
[10:54] <Seveas> SlicerDicer, if you want it in your interfaces
[10:54] <Super_dude> and then its desmeg|tail or somfing like that then i turn up the sound and its fixed
[10:54] <thoreauputic> Super_dude: you need to know the module to modprobe first
[10:54] <SlicerDicer> thank you Seveas
[10:54] <Seveas> iface $interface inet dhcp [newline]  auto $interface
[10:54] <SlicerDicer> I have it working now :)
[10:55] <Seveas> nice :)
[10:55] <SlicerDicer> add that line to? /usr/network/interfaces?
[10:55] <SlicerDicer> err /etc/network/interfaces
[10:55] <SlicerDicer> god its late
[10:55] <Seveas> yes
[10:55] <Super_dude> damit cause i jsut upgraded to hoary and erased my whole hd and now i dont know that command alto it was annoying cause i needed to type it in every time i reset the compueter..
[10:55] <_NiC> is there an easy way to encrypt a partition in ubuntu (like /home/myuser)?
[10:56] <SlicerDicer> good stuff Seveas
[10:56] <Seveas> _NiC, there is an easy way to create an encrypted loop filesystem, in the wiki you can find a guide on encrypted homedirs
[10:56] <SlicerDicer> I alrready added my module to /etc/modules :)
[10:57] <Seveas> good boy ;)
[10:57] <_NiC> seveas: cool, thanks :)
[10:58] <bigfoot> In nautilus, is there a way to get search function? And hopefully to have the search box set to search within that folder in which the search function was activated?
[10:59] <count0nz> how much overhead do you get with encripted fs ? be good for storeing users email's etc also :)
[10:59] <Seveas> overhead is quite big: on the fly encryption/decryption is expensive
[10:59] <count0nz> rebooting in step2 of breezy install
[11:00] <Super_dude> Realy.
[11:00] <count0nz> Seveas, ok.... so on a REAL server it be a job for a REAL grunty box lol prob not worth it
[11:00] <count0nz> no brakage yet it seems faster
[11:02] <count0nz> hoary = boreing
[11:04] <ice_1963> count0nz your useing Breezy ????
[11:04] <count0nz> ice_1963, ;) yes
[11:04] <count0nz> well installing
[11:04] <Choubaka> DON'T
[11:04] <Seveas> count0nz, you did read the topic, did you?
[11:05] <count0nz> :) i live for brakage
[11:05] <Seveas> ok
[11:05] <Seveas> but beware
[11:05] <Seveas> X is broken
[11:05] <Choubaka> if you're still downloading, abort :P
[11:05] <Seveas> lots of C++ stuff is broken
[11:05] <ice_1963> =)
[11:05] <Seveas> your brain must be broken :p
[11:05] <count0nz> i am not going to do much on it
[11:05] <count0nz> not useing X
[11:05] <Choubaka> Breezy is not similar to Debian SID :P
[11:06] <IIIEars> Hoary Hedgehog - Is well mannered and will do any trick asked.
[11:06] <count0nz> :)
[11:06] <Choubaka> Breezy is similar to Debian Scud
[11:06] <Choubaka> aka Experimental
[11:06] <count0nz> i am not updateing
[11:06] <bob2> er, there's no such thing as "Debian Scud"
[11:06] <bob2> there is "Debian Sid", but that's different to experimental, too
[11:06] <count0nz> Debian Scud sounds like fun
[11:06] <bigfoot> If I select "Filesystem" in "search for files", will it search through ALL folders?
[11:06] <bigfoot> including trash?
[11:07] <Seveas> bigfoot, yes
[11:07] <Choubaka> count0nz: it's not.
[11:07] <count0nz> the othrer box i just wanted to trysomething on it and see how it goes to see
[11:07] <Seveas> trash is simply ~/.Trash
[11:07] <Choubaka> In sid, packages must at least install cleanly.
[11:07] <Choubaka> in scud, there's not even that restriction.
[11:08] <count0nz> anyway....
[11:08] <bob2> Choubaka: dude, "Scud" does not exist
[11:08] <bob2> and packages in sid don't neccessarily install cleanly
[11:08] <bob2> they don't even have to install at all
[11:08] <Choubaka> bob2: I thought that's what they call Experimental :)
[11:08] <bob2> Choubaka: nope
[11:08] <Choubaka> Ok then.
[11:08] <Choubaka> Well, anyway, Experimental is complete insanity.
[11:09] <count0nz> Rembers Sid
[11:09] <count0nz> :)
[11:09] <Choubaka> I installed Gnome 2.6 from it once.
[11:09] <IIIEars> Is "scud" finlandian for "aspirin"?
[11:09] <Choubaka> And, well... It broke
[11:09] <bigfoot> Seveas, in "Search for Files" I input the name of a file that's in the Trash. The file's name is scrnshot.bmp. "Look in Folder" is set to "Filesystem." But it says "No files found."
[11:09] <Choubaka> Nah
[11:09] <bob2> new gnome uploads only go to experimental so that they can move to sid in one blob
[11:09] <Choubaka> That's just "aspiriini" :(
[11:09] <IIIEars> he
[11:09] <bob2> it's not because thy're believed to be broken
[11:10] <count0nz> Do thay have E17 in Breezy
[11:10] <bob2> e17 doesn't exist anywhere
[11:10] <Seveas> bigfoot, .Trash is a hidden folder, does "Search for Files" search in these?
[11:10] <count0nz> i'll package it
[11:10] <bob2> there are (broken) debian/ dirs in cvs
[11:11] <MicroChris> why is everyone complaining about upgrading to breezy
[11:11] <MicroChris> its not THAT bad
[11:11] <MicroChris> heh
[11:11] <larsrohdin> I've downloaded the lmx-mice driver, to get my MX310 mouse to work completely. But what am i supposed to do with the file? theres no read me or anything...
[11:12] <count0nz> there just Jelious :)
[11:12] <count0nz> (jokeing)
[11:12] <SlicerDicer> you know I have to say ubuntu is nice. I think I am converted if everything works as I want
[11:12] <Choubaka> Yay, there's a Finnish User's guide for E17
[11:12] <MicroChris> Ubuntu rocks
[11:12] <MicroChris> best distro ive tried
[11:12] <IIIEars> ""
[11:12] <count0nz> but if no one trys Breezy there will be no one to find bugs :)
[11:12] <ice_1963> you bet
[11:13] <SlicerDicer> You know I am a gentoo user but I think thats done now :) as long as it does what I want
[11:13] <Choubaka> It's interesting how many guides and manuals you'll find for <insert linux distro of software> in Finnish. :P
[11:13] <count0nz> U Rocks
[11:13] <IIIEars> Ah - "Finnish" - thx
[11:13] <Burgundavia> larsrohdin, does it work when you just plug it in?
[11:13] <bob2> count0nz: they can try it later when it's known to be broken
[11:13] <boehn> MicroChris: Which other you've tried?
[11:13] <count0nz> I was once a Religous Gentoo user i Prefer U now
[11:13] <count0nz> bob2, right on
[11:13] <bob2> moving to breezy now if you're new (ie don't know how to use dpkg) is a very bad idea
[11:13] <MicroChris> Gentoo, Slackware, Debian Sarge, Knoppix, SuSE, Fedora
[11:13] <MicroChris> a lot
[11:13] <SlicerDicer> count0nz: I think gentoo will always hold a spot in my heart but :)
[11:14] <Seveas> bob2, that's quite an understatement :)
[11:14] <Phreakazoid> moving to breezy looks like about half a gigabyte of downloading
[11:14] <boehn> oh
[11:14] <ice_1963> -i
[11:14] <IIIEars> Good Luck bob2 (crosses fingers)
[11:14] <boehn> k
[11:14] <count0nz> SlicerDicer, :) same here
[11:14] <MicroChris> everyone shat themselves today with the xorg "bug"
[11:14] <rommer> Phreakazoid: and thats alot if its just going to die on ya
[11:14] <MicroChris> all it was was a font dir switch
[11:14] <MicroChris> and everyone went nuts
[11:14] <Seveas> lol bob2 :)
[11:14] <SlicerDicer> count0nz: I love gentoo and nothing can really compare to some of the things it offers but wow....
[11:14] <Phreakazoid> rommer, yeah
[11:14] <bob2> if you're the sort of person who will complain about X being broken, do not use breezy
[11:14] <MicroChris> gentoo blows
[11:14] <bob2> if not being able to login is a problem for oyu, do not use breezy
[11:14] <bob2> etc
[11:14] <count0nz> yes
[11:14] <MicroChris> i got sick of broken ebuilds
[11:15] <SlicerDicer> count0nz: and my mythtv box will more than likely always run gentoo as I dont need all the fluff and its easier that way :)
[11:15] <count0nz> SlicerDicer, prob same here mythtv is not likeing me on U
[11:15] <rommer> is bind the same sorta thing as squid?
[11:15] <Seveas> rommer, no
[11:15] <lampshade> rommer: no
[11:15] <rommer> ok
[11:15] <Seveas> bind is a dns server, squid a proxy server
[11:15] <munki> Aren't there a apt-get source where I can get the newest Gaim version ? (1.3.0)
[11:15] <SlicerDicer> count0nz: yeah its smooth as silk on gentoo I have to say that so why break something thats smooth as silk :)
[11:16] <count0nz> I'll go compile mythtv from source tho and se how that goes
[11:16] <count0nz> agree 100%
[11:16] <Seveas> munki, it's available in the backports you'd better install from scratch instead of using backports
[11:16] <bob2> munki: it's in breezy.  please don't use it.
[11:16] <MicroChris> honestly though, todays xorg break was two minor things, and everyone went absolutely crazy
[11:16] <SlicerDicer> count0nz: gentoo may take a while to get mythtv up and running but I barely did anything to it really... all I did was set the damn database thats really all....
[11:16] <munki> Seveas , okay -I will compile it myself then .
[11:16] <IIIEars> << Going to wait for you two to smooth things out woth MythTV
[11:17] <munki> thanx .
[11:17] <MicroChris> anyone running 2.6.12?
[11:17] <MicroChris> no more shitty kernel panic like with 2.6.11 in Ubuntu
[11:17] <Seveas> MicroChris, that is because lots of people who should not use breezy, are using breezy
[11:17] <count0nz> SlicerDicer, true :) here its missing things (U) i will try compileing from source and see how it goes
[11:17] <SlicerDicer> my main beef that pissed me off with gentoo is my sound not working properly
[11:17] <bob2> bear in mind 2.6.11 was known to be broken in hoary
[11:17] <bob2> and was not supported
[11:17] <bob2> and people were told not to use it
[11:17] <MicroChris> agreed Seveas
[11:18] <count0nz> SlicerDicer, Same U works perfect for me
[11:18] <Seveas> and 2.6.12 is only in breezy (if it is there)
[11:18] <MicroChris> yeah its there
[11:18] <MicroChris> ( Operating System ) Linux Ubuntu 5.10 - breezy Kernel: 2.6.12-1-686, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.2 | IRC CLient: X-Chat v.2.4.3
[11:18] <SlicerDicer> count0nz: well I am a AMD64 user so that opens a can of worms of the likes you havent ever seen lol
[11:18] <count0nz> :( noooooooooooooo
[11:18] <IIIEars> lol
[11:19] <MicroChris> AMD64 on linux is a whole new chapter
[11:19] <count0nz> SlicerDicer, :( lol i want one
[11:19] <MicroChris> chrooting shit
[11:19] <MicroChris> i never got into it
[11:19] <MicroChris> Im happy with my 2500+ heh
[11:19] <bob2> you only need to chroot proprietary stuff
[11:19] <MicroChris> well, true
[11:19] <bob2> basically allf ree software Just Works on amd64
[11:19] <count0nz> LOL Duron 1600 OC 1800 (2ghz) and a P3-733 (both 512meg ram)
[11:19] <IIIEars> Will the terminal type ahead and guess using a history file?
[11:19] <SlicerDicer> count0nz: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-340801.html look at that you will see why I am so frustrated with gentoo lol its like bashing your head into a brick wall and you feel pain but well it just feels so damn good you continue :/
[11:20] <bigfoot> Does anyone know how to get Search while in a nautilus folder? IN Windows, all you had to do was Ctrl+F or Edit-->Find. Thanks
[11:20] <count0nz> i feel your pain :)
[11:20] <concept10> anyone know of a good hardware channel? i need advice on ecs motherboard
[11:20] <MicroChris> Xchat is painfully slow on Breezy and this new kernel
[11:20] <SlicerDicer> but seriously I would take that pain over windows anyday :) if I tried to do that in windows well just never mind :)
[11:21] <bob2> IIIEars: hit ctrl-r, then type, then "yes"
[11:21] <count0nz> no windows here all U :)
[11:21] <MicroChris> im dual booting 2000 and Breezy, I should delete 2000 and put another distro on
[11:21] <count0nz> 4 PC's all running Linux
[11:21] <phend> hi all
[11:21] <IIIEars> Linux configure and keep. Windows is configure connect and reinstall.
[11:21] <SlicerDicer> so question for ya count0nz when new releases of ubuntu comes out is it like gentoo and you just update?
[11:21] <count0nz> Hi Phen
[11:21] <count0nz> phend,
[11:21] <ice_1963> 28+ here =)
[11:21] <IIIEars> bob2 - THANKS
[11:21] <deviant> hello
[11:21] <Seveas> SlicerDicer, yes
[11:22] <bigfoot> I'm in terminal, in my home directory. there is a folder called "My Downloads." When I enter "cd My Downloads", it says bash: cd: My: No such file or directory. How do I go to that directory?
[11:22] <count0nz> SlicerDicer, you just edit your sources, then type dist-upgrade
[11:22] <SlicerDicer> good stuff
[11:22] <MicroChris> bigfoot
[11:22] <MicroChris> PM me
[11:22] <Seveas> SlicerDicer, you can do it in one command:
[11:22] <bob2> IIIEars: or, in zsh, type something, then meta-q to complete from history
[11:22] <deviant> what is the best vo to use with mplayer ? (i have a Radeon 9550XT)
[11:22] <bigfoot> From Nautilus, what is the recommended way to get Search?
[11:22] <Seveas> SlicerDicer: One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:22] <snader> bigfoot: cd "my Downloads"
[11:22] <concept10> cd /My Downloads
[11:22] <phend> can anyone suggest subjects/apps relating to gnome which might make interesting presentation material?
[11:22] <Seveas> and same for hoary->breezy
[11:22] <IIIEars> :)
[11:22] <snader> or cd M<tab>
[11:22] <SlicerDicer> that synaptic package manager blows my mind...
[11:22] <bigfoot> snader, oh, you need the quotation marks!
[11:22] <count0nz> :)
[11:22] <bob2> deviant: xv works well basically everywhere
[11:22] <Seveas> phend, OpenOffice.org impress?
[11:23] <bob2> phend: everyone likes beagle, as long as it doesn't crash
[11:23] <count0nz> breezy is doing update now
[11:23] <concept10> ubuntu has beagle ?
[11:23] <Seveas> yes, in breezy concept10
[11:23] <Choubaka> Hmm...
[11:23] <Seveas> it's installable from source in hoary
[11:23] <phend> bob2, I'd love to do it on beagle, but I don't have it on hoary - i'd like to demo too. are there hoary packages?
[11:23] <deviant> bob2: i`m using xv, but the movie keeps jamming for short periods of time.
[11:23] <rommer> can someone tell me where the squid.conf file is?
[11:23] <Choubaka> I hope I get enough money for a new computer.
[11:23] <Choubaka> This one is breaking.
[11:24] <count0nz> rommer, /etc/squid/squid.conf
[11:24] <phend> Seveas, i'll be doing it in ooo impress
[11:24] <bob2> phend: there's stuff on the wiki, I don't know how useful it is
[11:24] <Seveas> rommer, /etc/squid.conf or /etc/squid/squid.conf
[11:24] <bob2> deviant: how fast is the computer, what video format, what bitrate?
[11:24] <rommer> count0nz, Seveas: thanks
[11:24] <larsrohdin> how to install a new mouse-driver?
[11:24] <SlicerDicer> Seveas: is kubuntu got the same slick stuff as ubuntu?
[11:24] <phend> bob2, yeah i remember attempting it with warty and having bad results and gave up in the end
[11:24] <bob2> deviant: '-cache 16384' might help
[11:24] <bob2> larsrohdin: if no one here knows, try asking on the user list
[11:24] <Seveas> SlicerDicer, no, other slick stuff, kde related instead of gnome related :)
[11:24] <count0nz> :)
[11:25] <phend> i installed suse 9.3 the other day and beagle was great...but installed ubuntu over it again :)
[11:25] <MicroChris> is anyone else having sound problems in Breezy at the moment? Nothing works
[11:25] <SlicerDicer> Seveas: I mean does it have kde equals?
[11:25] <Seveas> yes
[11:25] <lampshade> anyone here use Solaris 10?  This is really random but what's your opinion on it?  Good bad?  How is it different from Linux(other than it is Sun, more unix like, etc)
[11:25] <SlicerDicer> cool
[11:25] <Seveas> (afaik)
[11:25] <larsrohdin> bob2, what?
[11:25] <count0nz> SlicerDicer, but you can just type sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:25] <count0nz> to get it in ubantu :)
[11:25] <MicroChris> lampshade, ive heard mixed things about solaris
[11:25] <deviant> bob2: XP2400+, 512 Mb RAM, Radeon 9550X with 128 RAM; and the video format doesen`t matter. i`ve tried sevral: mpeg, avi, ..
[11:25] <SlicerDicer> Seveas: this is why I hang on to my spare 12gb 5400 drive that is so outdated and is on its last leg is for testing distros :)
[11:26] <MicroChris> the UI on Solaris looks good though
[11:26] <Seveas> MicroChris, do they still use that CDE crap?
[11:26] <bob2> larsrohdin: try asking your question on the mailing list, more people read that than are currently here.
[11:26] <MicroChris> lol I think so
[11:26] <SlicerDicer> old old mac G3 400mhz standard drive lol! 12gb 5400rpm :)
[11:26] <Choubaka> isn't Sun Java desktop based on GNOME?
[11:26] <bob2> deviant: try the cache option
[11:26] <count0nz> Solaris was looking good agree
[11:26] <Seveas> Choubaka, probably not
[11:26] <bob2> it is indeed
[11:26] <SlicerDicer> well guys I am off to sleep thanks for all the help it was great!
[11:26] <count0nz> yes its Gnome or the old CDE as a backup
[11:27] <bob2> it wasn't supported on solaris 9, don't know about 10
[11:27] <MicroChris> I saw screenshots of the newest Solaris that looked like 3ddesktop.. It was like something out of Minority Report
[11:27] <MicroChris> lol
[11:27] <Seveas> ah
[11:27] <Seveas> ok, do i must read up then :)
[11:27] <bob2> that was probably their silly "lookingglass" thing
[11:27] <MicroChris> Yea
[11:27] <count0nz> Seveas, it is quite nice but U better :)
[11:27] <deviant> bob2: i did. cache=1024. bwt, is it a good ideea to use software scaling? (zoom=yes)
[11:28] <count0nz> SlicerDicer, nice dude sweet dreams
[11:28] <lampshade> yeah just figure 10 is free, I have a spare box, why not try it so I"m burning the x86 cd's for it right now
[11:28] <bob2> deviant: don't bother with it, just use -vo xv and -fs
[11:28] <count0nz>  /s/nice/nite
[11:28] <bob2> deviant: and increase the cache
[11:28] <saber_> How can I convert a <.vob> to <.mpeg>?
[11:28] <MicroChris> Not too sure how to do it on linux saber_
[11:28] <MicroChris> its easy on windows
[11:28] <MicroChris> :-X
[11:28] <count0nz> transcode i think ?
[11:29] <MicroChris> word
[11:29] <desplesda> saber_, if you want information on ripping dvds theres a section for that on ubuntuguide.org
[11:29] <bob2> lampshade: it supports a limited set of hardware on i386
[11:29] <bob2> far less than linux does
[11:29] <saber_> i'll go take a look at that, desplesda
[11:29] <deviant> bob2: ok. but i don`t want to see all my movies in full screen. somtimes i watch them as they are. and if they are too small in size i can`t make them larger :(
[11:29] <MicroChris> Im not sure if doom9.org has any linux guides but try there
[11:30] <bob2> deviant: ok
[11:30] <bob2> deviant: anyway, does -cache 16384 help?
[11:31] <Anubis> whats your experience with the new kernel?
[11:32] <deviant> bob2: yes. it seems to work better now. thanks
[11:32] <MicroChris> the new kernels been great here
[11:32] <bob2> seems like you have slow disks then
[11:32] <bob2> or you're wathcing off a network filesystem that's slow
[11:32] <MicroChris> if you mean 2.6.12
[11:32] <deviant> bob2: me ?
[11:32] <bob2> deviant: yes
[11:33] <deviant> bob2: my hdd is @ 7200 RPM with  a 8 Mb cache. and i`m watching from my hdd
[11:33] <bob2> ouch
[11:34] <MicroChris> I actually have a questio
[11:34] <MicroChris> lol
[11:35] <MicroChris> My Gnome Panel on my user (Chris) is totally screwed.. The res on the bar (48px) makes the bar, and Gnome, continuously crash
[11:35] <MicroChris> well, it was 48, I made it 65 and theres no way to make it go back down, from what I can see
[11:35] <seb128> do you have a backtrace of the crash?
[11:35] <MicroChris> ?
[11:36] <seb128> you said it crashes
[11:36] <MicroChris> yeah
[11:36] <seb128> to know what is wrong a backtrace is useful
[11:36] <seb128> you can get it from the bug-buddy dialog to send a bug upstream
[11:36] <deviant> bob2: one more question. how can i activate OSD on my scree when i`m in full screen?
[11:37] <bob2> deviant: 'o'
[11:38] <barby> alguien habla espaol?
[11:39] <Seveas> barby, #ubuntu-es
[11:39] <jaysin> can any one tell me how to change my screen resolution
[11:39] <Seveas> system -> preferences -> screen resolution
[11:39] <deviant> bob2: ermmm. i feel lame regarding the last question :P
[11:39] <barby> thanks
[11:39] <saber_> Is it possible to sort the packages in your system by the date they were installed?
[11:40] <jaysin> seveas  i only have one setting 640 by 480
[11:40] <Seveas> jaysin, edit your xorg.conf to add more :)
[11:40] <bob2> saber_: not easily.
[11:40] <jaysin> seveas  how do i do that
[11:40] <bob2> saber_: if you use aptitude, /var/log/aptitude has all the data for you
[11:41] <bob2> if not...you should ;)
[11:41] <Seveas> bob2/saber_: ls -alt /var/lib/dpkg/info | grep list might do it
[11:41] <bob2> hmmm
[11:41] <saber_> ok. great... at least i have somewhere to start now :)
[11:41] <bob2> they'll be touched by upgrades, I think
[11:41] <Seveas> yes, so it's sorted by date-of-upgrade instead of date-of-install
[11:42] <deviant> guys. i have a problem. if i use an mp3 player (say beep media player), when i open a movie (with mplayer) i don`t have sound: could not open/initalize audio device. any sugestion ?
[11:42] <Seveas> i have forced myself to use aptitude by alias apt-get=aptitude
[11:42] <Seveas> :)
[11:43] <bob2> deviant: configure mplayer to use esd
[11:43] <bob2> and make beep use it too
[11:43] <bob2> ie mplayer -ao esd ...
[11:43] <deviant> bob2: what is esd?
[11:43] <bob2> or just get everything using dmix
[11:43] <bob2> deviant: it's a program that shares the sound device between programs
[11:43] <bob2> (yes it sucks)
[11:44] <deviant> bob2: does it actualy works ?
[11:44] <bob2> yes...
[11:44] <deviant> hmmm
[11:44] <deviant> let me try it
[11:45] <deviant> bob2: nop. it doesen`t. o have the same eror
[11:45] <bob2> dude
[11:45] <wdh> Seveas, why would you do that?
[11:45] <killapop> bob2: i cannot get audacity to capture streaming sound from say real player
[11:45] <bob2> deviant: a) show use the exact mplayer command line you used, b) show us the error
[11:45] <bob2> killapop: what a shame
[11:45] <killapop> bob2: help :)
[11:46] <bob2> killapop: just use mplayer -streamdump
[11:46] <killapop> bob2: alright will try that
[11:46] <saber_> hey guys... i think this sorts installations by date:     ls -altr /var/lib/dpkg/info
[11:46] <deviant> bob2: ao=esd  in mplayer.conf (i`m using the fonted)
[11:47] <saber_> and it does actually take updates into consideration, as my kernel was updated today and it was properly reported
[11:47] <bob2> deviant: use the command line one then and read it's output
[11:47] <k31th> yo
[11:48] <Seveas> wdh, because i actually like aptitude but am so used to apt-get that i automagically use it
[11:49] <deviant> bob2: Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound.
[11:49] <deviant> that`s it
[11:49] <bob2> deviant: when you ran it with "mplayer -ao esd blah.avi", after starting esd?
[11:49] <user1_> hey i'm new with ubuntu, but is it possible to burn files with a burner?
[11:50] <Seveas> user1_, sure
[11:50] <user1_> I don't know much.
[11:50] <user1_> But thanks,
[11:50] <deviant> bob2: ermm, hold on ...
[11:50] <deviant> bob2: ALSA lib conf.c:2811:(snd_config_hook_load) /etc/asound.conf may be old or corrupted: consider to remove or fix it <-- when i start esd
[11:51] <bob2> hah
[11:51] <bob2> nice
[11:51] <deviant> bob2: but i`m using OSS. i have a realtek onboard sound
[11:51] <k31th> user1_: no if you try and write a cd or dvd in linux it was cause a small nukular blast killing everyone within a 30 mile radius
[11:52] <user1_> :(
[11:52] <k31th> :D
[11:52] <bob2> deviant: ouch
[11:52] <k31th> user1_: im joking
[11:52] <user1_> =)
[11:52] <deviant> bob2: yeah ...
[11:52] <user1_> Why do you preffer, using Ubuntu?
[11:53] <deviant> bob2: any sugestions?
[11:53] <bob2> deviant: install libesd0
[11:53] <deviant> hold on
[11:53] <k31th> user1_: cuz its better than windows
[11:53] <k31th> and
[11:53] <k31th> its free
[11:53] <user1_> Is that only why?
[11:53] <user1_> It's also open source, correct?
[11:53] <k31th> and it operates my pc
[11:54] <bob2> user1_: of course
[11:54] <k31th> user1_: correct
[11:54] <bob2> user1_: and free software
[11:54] <user1_> Thank you,
[11:54] <user1_> =)
[11:54] <bob2> (mostly)
[11:54] <k31th> plus
[11:54] <k31th> the girls dig ubuntu
[11:54] <user1_> =) Hehehe, Kelth.
[11:54] <desplesda> i agree with k31th
[11:55] <k31th> i tell them im running ubuntu and there round my house on there knees beggin for it
[11:55] <desplesda> they squeal with delight when they hear the login drums
[11:55] <deviant> bob2: ok, done. now what ?
[11:55] <k31th> lol
[11:55] <bob2> deviant: now try starting it
[11:55] <count0nz> LOL i 2nd that Gils Love Ubantu :)
[11:55] <bob2> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[11:55] <user1_> Look it's stupid of me to ask this question, but i'm new to the linux enviroment. I'm only a kid, and I don't know much of Linux,
[11:55] <deviant> bob2: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[11:55] <k31th> u 3rd it
[11:55] <user1_> But, with Microsoft, Spyware is everywhere, pretty much Infested!
[11:55] <user1_> Is it possible with Linux to get Spyware?
[11:55] <user1_> =(
[11:55] <k31th> user1_: you wont have a problem
[11:56] <desplesda> technically its possible user1_
[11:56] <bob2> deviant: kill whatever is using it
[11:56] <bob2> deviant: fuser -v /dev/dsp
[11:56] <user1_> =(
[11:56] <k31th> user1_: you wont have an issue
[11:56] <desplesda> but linux is 1. a little better, security wise
[11:56] <k31th> alot
[11:56] <user1_> ....But...
[11:56] <desplesda> 2. not targeted by spyware
[11:56] <user1_> Why....?
[11:56] <deviant> bob2: i think is beep media player
[11:56] <user1_> How does this protocol work?
[11:56] <k31th> an OS is as secure as its user
[11:56] <bob2> deviant: kill it
[11:57] <k31th> if you want security unpatch your pc
[11:57] <djp> is it possible to make a partition and install windows on a machine that has ubuntu installed by default?
[11:57] <k31th> yes
[11:57] <k31th> but why would you want to do that :p
[11:57] <deviant> bob2: ok, i think esd is workin. i`ve heard some strage bips
[11:57] <count0nz> user1_,  some bedtime reading for you >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/
[11:58] <user1_> Ok, I'm only in 5th grade.
[11:58] <user1_> I have school in less then 6 hours,
[11:58] <desplesda> user1_, are you still after info on cd burning?
[11:58] <bob2> deviant: right, now try mplayer again
[11:58] <djp> k31th: how easy is this? is there a tutorial anywhere?
[11:58] <user1_> I won't rest. =(
[11:58] <bob2> djp: yes
[11:58] <user1_> I'm reading. =)
[11:58] <user1_> But, thank-you so much!
[11:58] <count0nz> When it comes to email-borne viruses and worms, Linux may not be completely immune - after all, nothing is immune to human gullibility and stupidity - but it is much more resistant. To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work
[11:58] <djp> k31th: i know, i know! i miss a couple of great emulators that i want to run, Gens and Zsnes
[11:58] <djp> k31th: i know that zsnes works under ubuntu but gens i cannot get to work
[11:58] <count0nz> on it
[11:59] <djp> bob2: thanks
[11:59] <deviant> bob2: nop. doesen`t work
[11:59] <bob2> deviant: from the command line, with the flags I told yo uto use?
[12:00] <bigfoot> how do i give gnome a restart? and what exactly happens when i do that? What is its purpose?
[12:00] <deviant> bob2: ok, it works. but if i star beep media player will it work then
[12:01] <bob2> deviant: yes...
[12:01] <desplesda> bigfoot, if you want to force gnome to restart hit ctrl-alt-backspace
[12:01] <bob2> bigfoot: why do you want to restart it?
[12:01] <desplesda> it will kill the x server
[12:01] <bob2> bigfoot: restarting gnome = log out and back in again
[12:01] <desplesda> and return you to the login screen
[12:01] <bigfoot> bob2 coz i installed help files for my gimp2.2.2. I did'nt have helpfiles before installing them this hour.
[12:01] <desplesda> bigfoot, you don't need to restart gnome for that
[12:02] <bigfoot> desplesda, i don't?
[12:02] <desplesda> no
[12:02] <desplesda> restarting gimp should be enough
[12:02] <bigfoot> but the help files are not showing up in Gimp-->Help>Help.
[12:02] <desplesda> that's odd
[12:02] <bigfoot> And i've already closed Gimp, and then restarted it.
[12:03] <desplesda> what did you do to install the help files?
[12:03] <deviant> bob2: lol. beep media player just crashed :(
[12:03] <bob2> nice
[12:03] <deviant> yeah
[12:03] <bigfoot> desplesda, in synaptic, i got gimp-help-common and gimp-help-en. do i need to download gimp-helpbrowser?
[12:03] <Seveas> debfoster is nice
[12:04] <Seveas> i just cleaned out 200 MB :)
[12:04] <bigfoot> Seveas, hey i want to do that too.
[12:04] <bigfoot> (to reclaim unnecessary hard drive space)
[12:04] <Seveas> bigfoot, aptitude install debfoster :)
[12:04] <desplesda> bigfoot, gimp-help-common should have caused you to download gimp-helpbrowser
[12:04] <Seveas> and sudo debfoster
[12:05] <Gog> and there was me thinking apt did it all itself :)
[12:05] <saber_> ah debfoster is awesome. that removes my need to know which packages were installed at what time
[12:05] <we2by> how do I make an image size smaller without lowing alot the quality and his image size (width and height)?
[12:06] <Gog> we2by: try differnt formats
[12:06] <we2by> jpg?
[12:06] <Gog> jpg will lose a fair ammount of quality - depends on the content really
[12:06] <desplesda> we2by, what sort of image are you working with?
[12:06] <desplesda> if it's a photo use jpg
[12:06] <we2by> a screenshot of my desktop
[12:06] <Gog> you can radically change the image size by altering the jpg properties
[12:06] <desplesda> go with a png or gif for that
[12:07] <desplesda> theyre designed for diagrams
[12:07] <Seveas> png is the way to go for screenshots
[12:07] <we2by> the size is 650kb
[12:07] <we2by> :(
[12:07] <Seveas> we2by, jpg can compress better...
[12:07] <k31th> png format owns
[12:08] <desplesda> heh, we2by, welcome to the format wars :D
[12:08] <Gog> heh
[12:08] <we2by> I dunno how to conver it to jpg via gimp
[12:08] <bigfoot> desplesda, the thing is, though, what i marked for installation was not gimp-help-common, but rather gimp-help-en.
[12:08] <bigfoot>  Actually, this is one of my other problems: How do I know which file to mark for installation? And a related problem, how do I know which file to mark for UNinstallation?
[12:08] <webmind> we2by, open with gimp, and then save as
[12:09] <k31th> Irssi uptime: 77d 22h 44m 22s
[12:09] <k31th> Whos the man ?
[12:09] <bigfoot> k31th, what's irssi?
[12:09] <k31th> bigfoot: irc client
[12:09] <Gog> it's the devils own child
[12:09] <k31th> cmdline one
[12:09] <desplesda> bigfoot, try installing gimp-help-common as well
[12:09] <user1_> There were no decoders found to handle the stream in file "file:///tmp/02.mpg", you might need to install the corresponding plugins
[12:09] <k31th> so i can run it in screen and ssh to it from any where
[12:09] <user1_> I know, i'm asking alot. But I promise
[12:09] <user1_> this is the last.
[12:10] <user1_> =) why do I get that?
[12:10] <desplesda> user1_, its no trouble :)
[12:10] <k31th> user1_: go forth and ask
[12:10] <we2by> wow
[12:10] <user1_> =) Thank you so much sir.
[12:10] <we2by> I get 230kb with jpg
[12:10] <desplesda> user1_, run 'file 02.mpg' and tell us what you see
[12:10] <user1_> k
[12:10] <k31th> porn
[12:10] <count0nz> user1_, ask as much as you want we don't have limits :)
[12:10] <k31th> i smell it
[12:10] <bigfoot> desplesda, when I marked-for-installation gimp-help-en, synaptic had me also download gimp-help-common. But it's just those 2 files. Synaptic did not make me download gimp-helpbrowser.
[12:11] <k31th> sorry user1_ you have used up your asking token limit for today
[12:11] <k31th> please wait 24 hours for your limit to be reset
[12:11] <bigfoot> ha ha.
[12:11] <desplesda> that's weird, gimp-help-en depends on gimp-helpbrowser
[12:11] <bob2> that seems reasonable
[12:12] <count0nz> mmmm user1_ i'll sell you 10 tokens for $50 :)
[12:12] <k31th> all answers to further questions will now be answered in 1337 in the form of "stfu" "rtfm" "omfgn00bstfuIMOtbh"
[12:12] <desplesda> bigfoot, go ahead and download gimp-helpbrowser
[12:12] <desplesda> im surprised it didnt make you download it before
[12:12] <k31th> user1_: of corse you know we are only joking
[12:12] <desplesda> k31th: we are?!
[12:13] <count0nz> lol are we :)
[12:13] <user1_> Do you get payed phor this?
[12:13] <desplesda> no user1_
[12:13] <desplesda> we're all volunteers :)
[12:13] <user1_> :o Amazing.....
[12:13] <count0nz> lol we wish
[12:13] <user1_> I wanna be just like you,
[12:13] <user1_> I wanna help people.
[12:13] <desplesda> there are proper companies that provide tech support, like canonical
[12:13] <we2by> here is my screenshot, rate it please. http://www.ratemydesktop.co.uk/index.php?ac=1&id=73
[12:13] <user1_> =) You're amazing.
[12:13] <bob2> the best way to learn to help people is by using it
[12:13] <count0nz> we do it for the thanks and we where all once newbies
[12:14] <bigfoot> desplesda, i think i know what you're saying: I checked the Properties of help-en, and it says that it depends on gimp-helpbrowser. BUT, BUT, BUT, after saying that, on the same line, it has a vertical line (I don't know how to type it on my keyboard), then the words www-browser
[12:14] <desplesda> but the majority of help comes from the community
[12:14] <desplesda> the vertical line means 'or'
[12:14] <bob2> bigfoot: that means it needs either installed
[12:14] <count0nz> and agree we are allways learning new things we help each other
[12:14] <desplesda> gimp-help-en has 2 dependencies
[12:14] <desplesda> help-common and help-browser
[12:14] <bigfoot> bob2, but i have firefox browser. isn't this what www-browser means?
[12:15] <desplesda> it can use help-browser or, failing that, www-browser
[12:15] <desplesda> www-browser is a 'virtual package'
[12:15] <bigfoot> oh.
[12:15] <desplesda> if you have any browser installed, firefox, epiphany, lynx, you'll also have www-browser on board too
[12:15] <bigfoot> desplesda, so how do i know whether i have www-browser? And if do, i guess i don't need to get gimp-helpbrowser, right?+
[12:15] <user1_> You're amazing, because you're changing the world. =) Like me i'm only 9
[12:15] <bigfoot> ?
[12:16] <user1_> Hehehe, well thank you! bye-bye!
[12:16] <bigfoot> user1_, a nine year old? wow.
[12:16] <bigfoot> bye.
[12:16] <desplesda> wow
[12:16] <we2by> no one like to rate my desktop at http://www.ratemydesktop.co.uk/index.php?ac=1&id=73 ?
[12:16] <we2by> :(
[12:16] <desplesda> im pressed
[12:16] <desplesda> er
[12:16] <desplesda> i'm impressed
[12:16] <desplesda> not i'm pressed
[12:16] <bob2> bigfoot: you installed firefox from the ubuntu packages?
[12:16] <jsgotangco> a 9 year old?
[12:16] <k31th> user1_: feel free to idle
[12:17] <bigfoot> bob2, um, not sure what you mean, but when I converted from Windows to Ubuntu with a Ubuntu CD, ubuntu CD installed firefox.
[12:17] <user1_> =) Hehe, I will sir! you've help me alot.
[12:17] <desplesda> user1_, i notice that we've resolved neither of your questions
[12:17] <desplesda> :P
[12:17] <user1_> It's amazing, you are. I promise it won't go to waste.
[12:17] <bigfoot> user1_, are you 9 years old?
[12:17] <jsgotangco> hah
[12:17] <k31th> WTF i just noticed my lcd is bent in the middle
[12:17] <user1_> Yes sir, I am.
[12:17] <k31th> at least it looks it
[12:17] <bigfoot> no way!
[12:18] <k31th> the text bends
[12:18] <desplesda> lol, we're lordly and everything now
[12:18] <desplesda> we're sirs
[12:18] <desplesda> :D
[12:18] <bigfoot> well, kids nowadays are very high-tech, aren't they.
[12:18] <k31th> we are Jedi Masters
[12:18] <k31th> user1_: your welcome
[12:18] <desplesda> we are the tech support ninjas of ubuntu
[12:18] <user1_> =) Hehe.
[12:18] <k31th> im going to cose this teminal and hope it dont fuck up
[12:18] <Mirv> http://www.ubuntu-fi.org/ is now officially open! :)
[12:18] <user1_> Ok, i'm off this time. Bye-bye.
[12:18] <bigfoot> sorsis, back to, ahem, my problem ( 8-)  ) with Gimp Help...
[12:18] <desplesda> bye then user1_
[12:19] <bigfoot> not sorsis, but so,
[12:19] <desplesda> im not entirely sure he knew what idle means, k31th
[12:19] <count0nz> Cya user1
[12:19] <desplesda> :D
[12:19] <k31th> its still doing it wtf
[12:20] <k31th> im going to reboot
[12:20] <k31th> damn this
[12:20] <count0nz> k31th, good luck
[12:20] <bigfoot> Sir bob2, would love to hear from you.
[12:20] <bigfoot> sir desplesda ?
[12:20] <desplesda> sir bigfoot
[12:21] <bob2> ?
[12:21] <desplesda> you have all three of those packages installed, yes?
[12:21] <bigfoot> ha! i await your words, my highness.
[12:21] <bigfoot> nope.
[12:21] <count0nz> i bow at your feet sir
[12:21] <bob2> if you have firefox installed from a package, then apt won't install the gimp browser
[12:21] <bigfoot> oops. I meant. No, sir.
[12:21] <desplesda> well, you'll need gimp-help-common, gimp-help-en
[12:22] <desplesda> make sure you have those two
[12:22] <bigfoot> Sir bob2, if i have Firefox from the Ubuntu installation, does that mean that I have firefox installed from package (and therefore, I don't need gimp-helpbrowser)?
[12:22] <bob2> yes
[12:22] <bob2> you don't need to fiddle with any of this, tho
[12:22] <bigfoot> Sir desplesda, i did have those two you mentioned.
[12:22] <bob2> just install the help package with synaptic and apt will sort it out
[12:22] <bigfoot> Sir bob2, fiddly with any of what?
[12:23] <k31th> damn this
[12:23] <bigfoot> Sir count0nz, get back up off your knees!
[12:23] <k31th> the screen is still bent
[12:23] <k31th> it apears to only do it in xterm
[12:23] <count0nz> sit bigfoot thank you
[12:23] <bob2> bigfoot: just install gnome-help-en or whatever with synaptic and everything will just work
[12:24] <count0nz> sir bob2 its maby a refreshrate maby ?
[12:24] <bigfoot> Sir bob2, i did get gimp-help-en. Then synaptic marked gimp-help-common. But when i open Gimp and go to Help-->help, no help files. Nothing happens.
[12:25] <bob2> count0nz: I don't know what you're talking about
[12:25] <count0nz> sir bot2 opps
[12:25] <count0nz> sir k3ith i mean :)
[12:26] <bigfoot> Sir count0nz, are you telling me to sit? 8-). Okay. Woof woof!
[12:26] <count0nz> lol
[12:26] <count0nz> oh god
[12:26] <count0nz> lag
[12:26] <bigfoot> is lag an acronym?
[12:27] <bigfoot> laughing a. g.?
[12:27] <count0nz> dono
[12:27] <desplesda> no, lag is when theres a delay between you and the chat server
[12:27] <count0nz> Lag = Latency
[12:27] <desplesda> if you're lagging your client is lagging behind whats going on
[12:27] <count0nz> yes
[12:27] <desplesda> at the moment im lagging by about 0.8 seconds
[12:27] <desplesda> according to xchat :)
[12:28] <bigfoot> Sir bob2, you have my attention (divided with every other kind person helping me in this chatroom!)
[12:28] <IIIEars> Yikes! - Newb nightmare. Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[12:28] <count0nz>  Ping reply from kornbluth.freenode.net: 2.44 second(s
[12:28] <IIIEars> What do i need to do?
[12:28] <desplesda> IIIEars, do you have 3d drivers installed?
[12:28] <mark345> anyone here using 5
[12:29] <IIIEars> Yes
[12:29] <mark345> 5.1 disk 1
[12:29] <Super_dude> why does my windows pc ask me for a password when i try to share files with my ubuntu (samba installed)
[12:29] <mark345> you like
[12:29] <mark345> ?
[12:29] <ApesMa> IIIEars: you will want to look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:29] <mark345> im currently using ubuntu 5.04
[12:29] <desplesda> mark345, most of us are :)
[12:30] <mark345> lol, yes, you're right
[12:30] <new2gentoo> IIIEars, did you add load "glx" and nvidia as driver in xorg.conf?
[12:30] <bigfoot> sir desplesda, sir bob2: I'm so sorry for bothering you with my post: You're right: Everything is working fine. I just didn't know that Gimp opened up a new tab in my already-opened-but-currently-minimized  Firefox window!
[12:30] <IIIEars> despleda - dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?   CTCP from count0nz?
[12:30] <mark345> any large pluses to the 5.1 release?
[12:30] <IIIEars> i haven't checked yet - give me a sec
[12:30] <desplesda> bigfoot, :D
[12:30] <desplesda> mark345, you should upgrade at once
[12:30] <desplesda> :D
[12:31] <mark345> im 30% done downloading
[12:31] <mark345> 31!
[12:31] <mark345> lol
[12:31] <k31th> how odd that a terminal bends text but nothing else does
[12:31] <bigfoot>  Can you read the character that begins this sentence, anybody?
[12:31] <count0nz> k31th, odd
[12:31] <mark345> ok, who here say starwars 3?
[12:31] <desplesda> bigfoot, yes
[12:32] <count0nz> bigfoot, no but it looks cute:)
[12:32] <k31th> ahh
[12:32] <mark345> i work security in seattle, and tons of starwars nuts in there, always brings a smile to my face
[12:32] <k31th> i changed the background image
[12:32] <k31th> and it seems to have fixed it
[12:32] <desplesda> well by read i mean 'see an image rather than a blank' rather than 'comprehend' :P
[12:32] <bigfoot> sir count0nz, you can't read it means you can see it, but you don't understand it, right?
[12:32] <Nermal> bob2, any way to downgrade from breezy to hoary ?
[12:32] <k31th> laptop it going on ebay soon anyway
[12:32] <k31th> any recomends on wat to buy ?
[12:32] <k31th> i want long battery life
[12:32] <Nermal> ibook ? :)
[12:33] <k31th> humm
[12:33] <k31th> no
[12:33] <Nermal> powerbook ?
[12:33] <mark345> anyone else here use sage?
[12:33] <k31th> iv used it
[12:33] <mark345> or any other rss reader for that matter?
[12:33] <Nermal> something with a transmeta cpu ?
[12:33] <k31th> for wat
[12:33] <desplesda> Nermal, i did that last night - basically i just rebooted into the hoary install environment, rm -rf'ed everything but /home and /etc
[12:33] <k31th> i know a comapny that are very friendly with sage
[12:33] <Nermal> mark345, I use a different rss reader
[12:33] <bigfoot> Sirs desplesda, count0nz: i've wasted your time trying to get the Gimp help file on Gimp! Why do i say so? Coz it's available online, too, at Gimp.org!
[12:33] <desplesda> and then installed hoary
[12:33] <ApesMa> I'm using totem to display an Ogg Theora file, and about the right hand 1/4 of the window is covered with colored stripes. I also see this when I use tvtime and when viewing some AVIs. How might I narrow down the possible causes?
[12:33] <k31th> using sage for wat exactly accounts or ?
[12:33] <bigfoot> and it looks like the same thing.
[12:33] <desplesda> bigfoot, no problem :)
[12:33] <bigfoot> anyway, much thanks!
[12:33] <bigfoot> Senor desplesda, you spanish?
[12:34] <desplesda> er, no, i'm australian :P
[12:34] <bigfoot> your nickname sounds it.
[12:34] <Nermal> ApesMa, try switching the backend of totem ?
[12:34] <desplesda> hah, that's a new one
[12:34] <desplesda> :D
[12:34] <egg|QCpass> hi all
[12:34] <bigfoot> just wondering: any female Ubuntuers here? or are we all males?
[12:34] <desplesda> hi egg|QCpass
[12:34] <bob2> Nermal: nope, don't use breezy
[12:34] <bigfoot> hi egg|QCpass!
[12:34] <bob2> Nermal: there's a reason it's in the /topic
[12:34] <k31th> lol
[12:34] <Nermal> bob2, I know this
[12:34] <k31th> DONT USE IT
[12:34] <ApesMa> Nermal: will give that a try; thanks.
[12:34] <Nermal> but I've been using it for a lot longer than that warning has been there
[12:35] <bigfoot> k31th is mad!
[12:35] <desplesda> bigfoot, theres probably a few, but their genders hardly relevant now is it? :P
[12:35] <Nermal> which is why I would like to downgrade to hoary
[12:35] <Super_dude> how do i enable windows networking
[12:35] <bob2> Nermal: that was even sillier
[12:35] <count0nz> how do you know whats installed ?
[12:35] <Nermal> X brokenness is becoming a pain to fix
[12:35] <k31th> dunno about that but im hungry
[12:35] <IIIEars> Yes - Load	"GLcore" "bitmap" "dbe" "ddc" "dri" "extmod" "freetype" "glx" "int10" "record" "type1" "vbe"
[12:35] <k31th> id like to be paid
[12:35] <bigfoot> desplesda, not relevant at all. just wondering if it's mostly males who use linux /ubuntu. that's all.
[12:35] <k31th> end of the month and im skint
[12:35] <Super_dude> How do i enable windows networking.
[12:35] <new2gentoo> IIIEars, remove or comment out load "dri"
[12:35] <Nermal> Super_dude, ?
[12:35] <desplesda> its mostly males who use linux, but there are a lot more nerd girls out there than most people suspect
[12:36] <Nermal> ask a decent question
[12:36] <Nermal> f00l
[12:36] <new2gentoo> IIIEars, and add nvidia as driver instead of nv
[12:36] <bigfoot> Nermal, who's a fool?
[12:36] <IIIEars> Ah - okay. - not too difficult. - whew
[12:36] <Super_dude> i need file sharing?
[12:36] <Nermal> urgh
[12:36] <Seveas> Nermal, please keep the code of conduct in mind!
[12:36] <Nermal> RTFM on samba
[12:36] <liable> oooops
[12:36] <egg|QCpass> RTFS
[12:36] <Seveas> Super_dude, what do you want exactly?
[12:36] <egg|QCpass> UTFS
[12:36] <bigfoot> why sigh?
[12:36] <Nermal> so there is no way to downgrade
[12:37] <desplesda> Nermal, 1. 'rtfm' isnt exactly helpful :P 2. do you have your home directory on a separate partition?
[12:37] <IIIEars> new2gentoo - Thank You.     (that doesn't mean you get any slack in UT2k4 okay? - grin)
[12:37] <Nermal> because instead of answering my question, people just yell "don't use breezy" which is obvious from the topic
[12:37] <Super_dude> to share files with my windwos pc it cant acsess my files because it needs a password iv tried my root one and nothings worked?
[12:37] <new2gentoo> ok IIIEars :)
[12:37] <Seveas> Nermal, downgrading is impossible.
[12:37] <liable> Nermal: prolly easiest to re-install
[12:37] <desplesda> nermal, i can help you, i did it last night
[12:37] <bob2> Super_dude: do you mean "How do I let windows computers access files on my Ubuntu machine?"?
[12:37] <Nermal> nah.. I'll stick with breezyt
[12:37] <desplesda> you'll need to reinstall a bunch of packages though
[12:37] <Super_dude> yes
[12:37] <Nermal> it's half the fun
[12:37] <Super_dude> i have samba.
[12:38] <Seveas> Super_dude, you need to install the samba server
[12:38] <Super_dude> but its asking for a pass word but i dont know it
[12:38] <novaflare> heh
[12:38] <Seveas> and read its manual to configure it correctly...
[12:38] <Nermal> I'll wait for slutty snail to come out
[12:38] <novaflare> my net work is so messed up routers half screwed so no shareing even amoung windows computer
[12:38] <desplesda> slutty snail? i thought that the next release after breezy was perky penguin :P
[12:38] <Nermal> oh
[12:38] <novaflare> i just use a http server
[12:38] <we2by> what the fuck
[12:39] <we2by> I just saved a .wma file via firefox to my Desktop
[12:39] <we2by> and I can't see it there
[12:39] <count0nz> Salty Snail
[12:39] <bob2> Super_dude: ffleave it blank
[12:39] <Nermal> we2by, killall nautilus
[12:39] <Super_dude> tried that
[12:39] <Seveas> nermal stop being unhelpful
[12:39] <bob2> code of conduct, people
[12:39] <Nermal> Seveas, that fixes it you arse
[12:39] <Nermal> nautilus will respawn
[12:39] <Seveas> we2by, do you see it in a terminal when you type ls ~/Desktop
[12:39] <Nermal> and the file will appear
[12:40] <Nermal> god.. n00b central
[12:40] <Seveas> Nermal, yeah, but it kills all nautilus windows too..
[12:40] <Nermal> Seveas, you got a better idea?
[12:40] <Seveas> Nermal, code of conduct please....
[12:40] <Nermal> killing X perhaps ?
[12:40] <desplesda> Nermal, settle down
[12:40] <Nermal> Seveas, /ignore :P
[12:40] <bob2> Nermal: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[12:40] <Nermal> har
[12:40] <Nermal> man.. this channel was great with ~200 people
[12:40] <Nermal> now it's CoC galore
[12:40] <Nermal> enjoy
[12:40] <Seveas> Nermal, there is always <ctrl>R
[12:41] <Seveas> ah whatever...
[12:41] <count0nz> :) kewl
[12:41] <count0nz> whats ctl-R?
[12:41] <Seveas> we2by, click the show desktop icon and hit <ctrl> + R
[12:41] <Seveas> that'll refresh your desktop
[12:41] <count0nz> :) kewl
[12:41] <count0nz> lol learn something new every day
[12:42] <Super_dude> seveas what now?
[12:42] <Seveas> Super_dude, i never tried samba server, sorry
[12:43] <new2gentoo> IIIEars, working?
[12:43] <novaflare> wait is this all there is to installing drivers for ati http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557
[12:43] <Super_dude> seveas one question if i never set a password then who did!!!!
[12:43] <bob2> novaflare: ignore the forums
[12:43] <bob2> novaflare: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:44] <Seveas> Super_dude, have you looked at your configuration? Maybe a password is set by default oslt...
[12:44] <novaflare> i got a ati dev rel guy breathign down my neck
[12:44] <novaflare> wanting me to give the offical ati drivers a run for their money under linux heh
[12:44] <Super_dude> no because iv only ever typed in 1 password in this computer and it dont work
[12:45] <k31th> man i hate this centos crap
[12:45] <k31th> but it beats windows i guess
[12:45] <Seveas> Super_dude, samba is not restricted to using user accounts from the local system. It can have its own accounts
[12:45] <Seveas> please read the configuration and the manual
[12:46] <wdh> does anyone know of a tool that converts a DiVX file to an iso with a (s)vcd version of it?
[12:46] <Super_dude> seveas then therefore it is setting its own password which is not "user friendly".
[12:46] <novaflare> ack
[12:46] <Seveas> Super_dude, ack, but that's the way it is.
[12:46] <novaflare> our card model is an entire number in the 9xxx series, and is equal to or above 9500   <<<< mine is a 9k
[12:47] <desplesda> wdh, you need to look up what format VCD uses
[12:47] <desplesda> and then transcode into that
[12:47] <novaflare> oh nvm i see
[12:47] <desplesda> im not sure of what it is myself
[12:47] <Super_dude> seveas ack but thats better than windows (it formatted its self ) lol.
[12:48] <novaflare> silly question how do i tell what my exact version of ubuntu is?
[12:48] <Super_dude> seveas ack ill leave now
[12:48] <Seveas> novaflare, cat /etc/issue
[12:49] <novaflare> ty
[12:49] <Seveas> novaflare, or cat /etc/lsb-release
[12:49] <novaflare> first was good enough
[12:50] <Seveas> :)
[12:50] <count0nz> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu (The Breezy Badger Release) Development Branch"
[12:50] <count0nz> :)
[12:50] <wdh> desplesda, i was hoping for a simple script
[12:50] <desplesda> wdh, the simple answer is that you're actually asking for two things here
[12:50] <novaflare> and now for the control panel part so i can have my precious dual displays back :)
[12:51] <desplesda> wdh: first you need to convert the DivX into the format that VCD uses (mpeg?)
[12:51] <desplesda> wdh: and then you need to create the image itself, with its directory structure, so a VCD player will recognise it
[12:51] <Grap> hi
[12:52] <count0nz> hi Grap
[12:52] <Grap> i have a little question, the only diference between kubuntu and ubuntu is the desktop manager ???
[12:52] <novaflare> and now brb to reboot
[12:52] <count0nz> Grap, as far as i know yes
[12:52] <desplesda> wdh: this probably isn't the channel to ask that in
[12:53] <desplesda> sorry :(
[12:53] <egg|QCpass> grap != crap -_-
[12:53] <Grap> thx, and the last question is... the respository of ubuntu also contains packets as kismet and airsnort, or i have to add more sources that are not supported?
[12:54] <desplesda> Grap, have you added the universe repository?
[12:55] <Riddell> Grap: the desktop and all the desktop programmes
[12:55] <Grap> i don't have ubuntu installed yet
[12:55] <Riddell> Grap: airsnort and kismet are in theer
[12:55] <desplesda> Grap, well, once you've installed ubuntu, follow the instructions at ubuntuguide.org on how to add extra repositories
[12:56] <Grap> i know how to add them
[12:56] <desplesda> airsnort and kismet are in the universe repository, which isnt enabled by default
[12:56] <Grap> but i mean if there were all packages as debian
[12:56] <Grap> ok
[12:56] <Grap> and now the last question
[12:56] <count0nz> those packages are in backports
[12:56] <Grap> can I install more desktop managers in ubuntu?
[12:56] <desplesda> Grap, you can indeed
[12:56] <Seveas> Grap, of course
[12:56] <count0nz> count0nz, oh lol
[12:56] <egg|QCpass> great!!! i love backport
[12:56] <count0nz> opps
[12:57] <desplesda> kde is in main
[12:57] <desplesda> xfce is in universe i believe
[12:57] <tahorg> count0nz: speaking alone ?
[12:57] <Seveas> egg|QCpass, backports are evil
[12:57] <Seveas> they break alot
[12:57] <egg|QCpass> ???
[12:57] <count0nz> tahorg, i got mixed up :)
[12:57] <Grap> ok thx everybody
[12:57] <Grap> see ya
[12:57] <desplesda> no problem, bye
[12:57] <egg|QCpass> i am confused ?_?
[12:58] <count0nz> i can't install transcode becose of backports
[12:58] <Seveas> backports are the root of lots of evil
[12:58] <egg|QCpass> oh
[12:58] <bob2> yaya teh backportz!111
[12:58] <Seveas> breakages, upgrade hell, etc...
[12:58] <Amaranth> Seveas: Actually they've fixed the upgrade hell part.
[12:58] <bob2> Amaranth: the versions still seem to be moronic
[12:59] <Seveas> bob2, you're almost iso 707 IEEE 1337 compliant :)
[12:59] <Amaranth> bob2: The ~udp bit?
[12:59] <froud> anyone got a document or pointer on howto install pcmcia 802.11g
[12:59] <count0nz> backprts causes this lol
[12:59] <count0nz> Depends: libdvdread2 but it is not installable
[12:59] <count0nz>              Depends: libvorbis0 (>= 1.0rc3-1) but it is not installable
[12:59] <count0nz>              Depends: libxvidcore4 but it is not going to be installed
[12:59] <bob2> Amaranth: # synaptic_0.56+revertedto+officialhoary+0.55+cvs20050406-1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb
[01:00] <Amaranth> bob2: that one is nasty, yes
[01:00] <Amaranth> bob2: and it doesn't have the ~, so it will cause upgrade problems
[01:00] <bob2> and using ~ everywhere is silly
[01:00] <Amaranth> using ~ appearently fixes the upgrades problems
[01:00] <egg|QCpass> backport was not well testing?
[01:00] <Seveas> ~ is not allowed in package names iirc
[01:01] <Seveas> egg|QCpass, backports has no QA at all...
[01:01] <bob2> egg|QCpass: the people making them don't seem to be very experienced in making packages
[01:01] <egg|QCpass> haha
[01:01] <novaflare> now if i can figure out how to get my monitors sett to same res and have the extended desk top
[01:01] <bob2> Seveas: ~ is valid in a version according to dpkg, but other tools don't allow it
[01:01] <bob2> e.g. dak
[01:01] <deviant> guys, can you recomemd me a good image viewer please!
[01:01] <Seveas> ah ok
[01:01] <bob2> deviant: you don't like the default gnome one?
[01:01] <novaflare> got the drivers installs and the control panel but dont see how to start the control panel
[01:01] <Amaranth> Seveas: Not quite true, packages go into -staging for a week and then if no one reports any problems they go into the regular repository.
[01:01] <Seveas> deviant, eog or gthumb..?
[01:01] <Amaranth> Seveas: Not very good QA, but better than none.
[01:02] <deviant> bob2: nop. i ave to open each image one by one ...
[01:02] <Seveas> Amaranth, i don't call that QA
[01:02] <bob2> deviant: gthumb is ok
[01:02] <bob2> so's muine
[01:02] <bob2> Seveas: it's a problem with a few things around ubuntu, the people who want it (and provide it) aren't the most technically skilled people around
[01:02] <egg|QCpass> rate gthumb and gqview
[01:02] <bob2> the forums have the same issue
[01:02] <Amaranth> muine isn't an image viewer
[01:03] <Seveas> bob2, indeed, the forum contains lots of crap. I hope the docteam will be able to provide a decent set of documents for breezy
[01:03] <bob2> yeah, me too
[01:03] <Harnak> If I had to choose between alsa and OSS which should I choose?  I'm tired of the sound hassles and I just want it to play the sound from multiple apps at once. Any suggestions?
[01:04] <Amaranth> Seveas: But the forums are also where Smeg and gtkwiki have their main discussion area, so it's not all bad.
[01:04] <deviant> Harnak: i have the same issue myself :(
[01:04] <Seveas> which reminds me, i promised froud to look into wiki2docbook translation, gotta go do some preliminary things
[01:04] <bob2> I more mean that it ends up being the "not so skilled" people helping other not so skilled people, so you get silly things happening, since the skilled people don't use baclkports or forum
[01:04] <bob2> s
[01:04] <novaflare> how do i get this to work fglrx-control?
[01:04] <Amaranth> bob2: I use the forums. :/
[01:04] <Seveas> Amaranth, smeg s**s too
[01:04] <bob2> Harnak: alsa
[01:04] <Harnak> deviant: it's annoying.. just flat out annoying :(
[01:04] <bob2> Amaranth: I'm generalising :)
[01:04] <Amaranth> Seveas: Die.
[01:04] <Seveas> :)
[01:04] <Amaranth> Seveas: Have you tried 0.6.1?
[01:04] <deviant> Harnak: yup, i know.
[01:04] <novaflare> nvm
[01:04] <Harnak> bob2: Thanks!
[01:04] <Seveas> just kidding there, i like smeg
[01:05] <Harnak> brb
[01:05] <bob2> Harnak: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[01:05] <Harnak> bob2: reading that now.. Thanks
[01:05] <count0nz> i think it will get better U is quite new realy its still growing
[01:05] <bob2> Harnak: if you do that, then you can have as many alsa-using programs running at once as you like
[01:06] <Harnak> bob2: do most modern apps use alsa?
[01:06] <bob2> Harnak: most can, if they don't by default
[01:06] <desplesda> oss has been deprecated
[01:06] <desplesda> so yes, most will use alsa
[01:06] <froud> anyone got a howto on installing a senao 802.11g pcmcia adapter on hoary
[01:06] <desplesda> although the really good ones will use gstreamer, so you have a choice :)
[01:06] <Harnak> Fantastic..  Now I just need to remove it from my install heh..
[01:06] <bob2> hehe
[01:06] <deviant> bob2: how do i install ALSA drivers for a Realtek ALC665 sound card?
[01:07] <bob2> deviant: if it has alsa drivers, they should run by default
[01:07] <deviant> bob2: right now it`s using OSS
[01:07] <bob2> deviant: ok
[01:08] <Amaranth> Seveas: Try 0.6.1, I command you. :)
[01:08] <deviant> so ...?
[01:08] <Seveas> Amaranth, i am lazy, direct url to .deb please :)
[01:08] <bob2> deviant: so, go find out if it has alsa drivers at all, to start with
[01:08] <bob2> deviant: www.alsa-project.org
[01:08] <deviant> how do i do that ?
[01:09] <deviant> oh ..
[01:09] <deviant> :P
[01:10] <jan__> name jankungen
[01:10] <jan__> hi there
[01:10] <deviant> damn. they don`t have Realtek :(
[01:10] <deviant> not a singe cipset
[01:10] <bob2> yes they do
[01:10] <novaflare> brb
[01:10] <tallia2> hey... i've moved my hd from a laptop to another one, i had some problem... i've solved some about X-server with a reconfiguration using a apt-reconfigure over a special package but now i have a problem with the audio HW... how i can start an automatic configuration like what i've seen once i've installed ubuntu the first time!??! tnx kisses andrea
[01:11] <Treenaks> tallia2: audio hardware should be detected automagically.
[01:11] <bob2> tallia2: it should detect the new sound card on boot
[01:11] <bob2> tallia2: what isn't working?
[01:11] <tallia2> nope.. once kde starts it tells me that it'll redirect audio on the null device
[01:12] <bob2> tallia2: can you put the output of "lspci" and "dmesg" in #flood or on a website?
[01:13] <tallia2> .......mhhh... i don't think so.. my old laptop hasn't the autoswitching of the rj45 connection ...and i can't connect it to the server...
[01:13] <bob2> deviant: what does lspci say about the card?
[01:13] <tallia2> lspci!?
[01:13] <tallia2> what's that!?
[01:13] <deviant> bob2: in Sound Card Manufacture List, there is no realtek
[01:13] <Chambers`> what's the command to open the terminal?
[01:13] <deviant> bob2: Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1)
[01:13] <tallia2> i know that dmesg contains the last logs from kernel
[01:14] <deviant> bob2: but the cipset is Realtek
[01:14] <bob2> Chambers`: right click on the background and choose "terminal"
[01:14] <bob2> deviant: in what sense is it realtek when lspci says it is from nvidia?
[01:15] <Chambers`> bob2, i'm trying to set a command line to open the terminal and then run a command, i need to know the command to open the terminal though
[01:15] <deviant> bob2: if i open my chasis and look on the mother board PCB, there`a realtek cip for the sound card
[01:15] <tallia2> .....boot time... :)
[01:15] <bob2> deviant: ignore that
[01:15] <deviant> bob2: and in windows it works with realtek drivers
[01:16] <tallia2> bob2: i've a realtek audio hw on my last laptop... you should't have problems!!
[01:16] <bob2> deviant: load snd-intel8x0.
[01:16] <bob2> tallia2: sorry, that's not nearly enough detail
[01:16] <jan__> anyone got problems with ixus 30 and hoary that does not download images?
[01:16] <bob2> tallia2: can you type out what "lspci | grep Multim" prints out?
[01:17] <tallia2> search for ubuntu acer travelmate 800 on google.. there you can find more information..
[01:17] <Chambers`> anyone know the command line to open terminal?
[01:17] <bob2> Chambers`: xterm
[01:17] <tallia2> ok .. booted..
[01:17] <bob2> but that may not work, and you haven't old us enough details to explain why
[01:18] <tallia2> ok.. i've got it (lspci)
[01:18] <Chambers`> found it, gnome-terminal, thanks guys
[01:18] <tallia2> it tells me lots of thing.. but about the audio hw.. :
[01:18] <bob2> Chambers`: so, in future, if that's what you want, you should say "How do I start the gnome terminal?"
[01:18] <tallia2> Multimedia audio controller, via technologies inv ..... ac97 audio controller rev40
[01:19] <bob2> ok
[01:19] <bob2> in future, you need to show us the whole thing, not just some parts of it
[01:19] <tallia2> you're speaking to me bob?!
[01:20] <tallia2> with me* .. :)
[01:20] <bob2> tallia2: yes
[01:20] <bob2> tallia2: try typing "sudo modprobe snd-via82xx", then log out of kde and back in again
[01:20] <tallia2> i can't transcribe all from my laptop to this program that's on another pc :)
[01:20] <deviant> bob2: aaa, how do i load snd-intel8x0 ?
[01:21] <tallia2> sone...  but nothing happens..
[01:21] <bob2> deviant: sudo modprobe snd-intel8x0
[01:21] <deviant> aha
[01:21] <deviant> ok, done
[01:21] <deviant> now what ?
[01:21] <bob2> now nothing
[01:22] <bob2> deviant: look at dmesg and see if it loaded ok
[01:22] <novaflare> blast
[01:22] <novaflare> how do i force gdm to start or restart?
[01:22] <bob2> sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart
[01:23] <novaflare> i screwed up and am back at command line only
[01:23] <tallia2> my dmsg tells me something about PCI..
[01:23] <tallia2> IRQ and onther details
[01:23] <bob2> tallia2: so, you logged out and back in again?
[01:24] <novaflare> cool
[01:24] <deviant> bob2: they are loaded, but my mixer is still using OSS :(
[01:24] <novaflare> seems my only error is no screens found
[01:24] <bob2> deviant: er, you need to unload oss first
[01:24] <Amaranth> novaflare: You're on breezy, right?
[01:24] <tallia2> i'm restarting
[01:24] <bob2> tallia2: don't reboot
[01:25] <Amaranth> bob2: hmm, i've never seen that command. i always just do /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[01:25] <Amaranth> bob2: what's the difference?
[01:25] <tallia2> just done with ... shutdown -f now
[01:25] <bob2> Amaranth: nothing with sysvinit, but invoke-rc.d is supposed to work if you use a different init system
[01:25] <bob2> Amaranth: plus it's shorter
[01:25] <bob2> tallia2: er, no
[01:25] <Amaranth> tallia2: you have to do all that over again then
[01:26] <bob2> tallia2: that won't help at all.  boot and do all I said again, and DONT turn it off.
[01:26] <tallia2> why!?
[01:26] <tallia2> oookk
[01:26] <Amaranth> Seveas: are you on hoary or breezy?
[01:27] <tallia2> ok i've restarted only the kde
[01:27] <we2by> I forgot  my password or Ubuntu is not accepting my password
[01:28] <Choubaka> where is it not accepting it?
[01:28] <Choubaka> also, checked if caps lock is on? :P
[01:28] <tallia2> done...
[01:28] <we2by> I am trying in different places
[01:28] <we2by> none worked
[01:29] <bob2> we2by: reboot, and tap escape during boot unti lyou get to the grub menu
[01:29] <bob2> we2by: then choose recovery or rescue or whatever it is and hit enter
[01:29] <bob2> we2by: then when you get a root shell, type "passwd yourusername", obviously inserting your actual username
[01:30] <tallia2> bob2: what now!?
[01:30] <bob2> tallia2: so, you rebooted, and then logged in and ran "sudo modprobe ..."?
[01:30] <ivoks> ah... macosx
[01:30] <Seveas> Amaranth, hoary
[01:31] <tallia2> yep.. and after i've ran sudo modprobe i've logoff kde and logon again
[01:31] <Amaranth> Seveas: http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/installsmeg
[01:31] <Amaranth> Seveas: just run that script
[01:31] <bob2> tallia2: does sound work now?
[01:31] <tallia2> nope
[01:31] <Seveas> Amaranth, i never run untrusted scripts...
[01:31] <Amaranth> ...
[01:31] <Amaranth> you can see what it does
[01:31] <Amaranth> it's simple wget, dpkg, and rm
[01:32] <Seveas> i see, why doesn't it use standard python_xdg etc?
[01:32] <tallia2> i've just tried.. the levels were low, but i've ... pump up the volume.. and nothing happens.. :(
[01:32] <Amaranth> Seveas: Because the one in hoary sucks.
[01:32] <Seveas> and eek! --force-all
[01:32] <Amaranth> Seveas: It's author confirms it sucks. :)
[01:33] <deviant> bob2: when i try to unload the oss modules, i get: FATAL: Module snd_mixer_oss is in use.
[01:33] <Amaranth> Seveas: Yeah, that's probably not good.
[01:33] <Seveas> Amaranth, ah :)
[01:33] <Harnak> I've got a usb headset that I just plugged into my usb port. How do I change the sound system to now use this headset instead of teh onboard speakers?
[01:33] <Amaranth> Seveas: But people always had problems with it, that fixed it. :)
[01:33] <Amaranth> Seveas: You can just wget the files yourself and install them yourself
[01:33] <bob2> deviant: yes, indeed
[01:33] <bob2> Harnak: you can't, easily
[01:34] <bob2> deviant: you'll need to get rid of everything using sound first, including the mixer applet on your panel
[01:34] <Amaranth> Seveas: Once this version gets into hoary backports and breezy universe I'm ditching the script.
[01:35] <Seveas> no need for --force-all :)
[01:35] <tallia2> bob2: so there's nothing to do!?
[01:35] <tallia2> opss.. isn't there nothing to do!?
[01:36] <deviant> bob2: ok, i`ve unloaded all oss modules, i`ve installed intel8x0. now what ?
[01:36] <Seveas> Traceback (most recent call last):
[01:36] <Seveas>   File "/usr/bin/smeg", line 452, in on_preferences_activate
[01:36] <Seveas>     self.w('prefcustomtheme').set_group(None)
[01:36] <Seveas> TypeError: GtkRadioButton.set_group() argument 1 must be gtk.RadioButton, not None
[01:36] <bob2> deviant: er, snd-intall8x0
[01:36] <Seveas> Amaranth, error in the preferences dialog :)
[01:36] <bob2> tallia2: I don't know, and it's very very hard to help you if you can't show us the output of things
[01:36] <Amaranth> Seveas: So... the hoary pygtk sucks too
[01:37] <deviant> bob2: yes. modprobe snd-intel8x0
[01:37] <Seveas> lol :)
[01:37] <Amaranth> Seveas: Solution? Don't use the preferences dialog.
[01:37] <dcraven> Amaranth: heh
[01:37] <tallia2> mhh.. ok..  but i don't know if the network on this laptop works.. i've to try... maybe i'll be back in a while
[01:37] <Seveas> Amaranth, why did you include it then?
[01:37] <Amaranth> It doesn't actually do anything if you're on GNOME
[01:37] <bob2> Amaranth: why don't you catch that exception?
[01:37] <bob2> tallia2: good luck
[01:37] <Amaranth> bob2: I need that to work.
[01:37] <tallia2> tnx
[01:37] <bob2> deviant: now you have also, enjoy.
[01:37] <Seveas> more errors... line 452 also throws an exception
[01:38] <deviant> bob2: yeah. but the soud is not working :(
[01:38] <Amaranth> Seveas: I need details
[01:38] <novaflare> hmm
[01:38] <Seveas> Amaranth, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/288996
[01:38] <novaflare> cant get it to work :\
[01:38] <bob2> deviant: in what way? run something like alsaplayer and see.
[01:39] <deviant> i try to play some mp3 with beep media player
[01:39] <deviant> and there`s no sound
[01:39] <Amaranth> Seveas: Again the solution is to not use the preferences dialog.
[01:39] <bob2> deviant: ignore beep
[01:39] <bob2> deviant: unless you configured it to use ALSA
[01:39] <Amaranth> Seveas: The first error caused the second one, since the group isn't being cleared.
[01:40] <Seveas> Amaranth, then don't include it :)
[01:40] <tsw> any idea why network settings wont set wlan encryption key even? I have to force it by hand with iwconfig
[01:40] <deviant> bob2: i did set output plugin to ALSA
[01:40] <Amaranth> Seveas: 0.7 won't support hoary at all so I won't have to work about it. :)
[01:40] <Seveas> hehe
[01:40] <bob2> deviant: and it's silent?
[01:40] <deviant> yup
[01:40] <deviant> same mplayer
[01:41] <bob2> deviant: run alsamixer and unmute it
[01:41] <Amaranth> I'm going on about a month between releases, I figure breezy will be usable in a month. Plus, 0.6 will still be usable so bleh. :)
[01:41] <deviant> bob2: lsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Invalid argument
[01:42] <bob2> deviant: how did you force OSS to begin with, anyway?
[01:42] <deviant> bob2: modprobe -r
[01:42] <tallia2> bob2: same problem with the network... the device isn't detected
[01:42] <dcraven> Amaranth: What are you writing?
[01:42] <Amaranth> dcraven: smeg
[01:42] <tallia2> there's a way to fix it too!?
[01:43] <bob2> tallia2: how old is the laptop?
[01:43] <tallia2> acer aspire1300
[01:43] <tallia2> a couple of years
[01:43] <bob2> deviant: you unloaded this alsa module to begin with?
[01:43] <bob2> so, from 2003?
[01:43] <tallia2> yeep
[01:44] <kzm> ahem
[01:44] <deviant> bob2: i`ve installed alsa, then removed oss
[01:44] <bob2> deviant: bleh
[01:44] <kzm> anybody run 5.04 with a prism54 card?
[01:44] <bob2> deviant: ubuntu loads alsa mouldes by default.  how did you change that originally?
[01:45] <deviant> bob2: don`t know. a fried made it to wirk with oss
[01:45] <we2by> how do I start smb service?
[01:46] <oz__> anybody have gnome freeze when using firefox under hoary with nvidia drivers?
[01:46] <tallia2> bob2: so!? i've to trash it?!
[01:47] <oz__> It seems to be a random lock up but I can get to the machine with ssh and restart gdm.
[01:47] <bob2> tallia2: er? me not answering is not the same as me saying "yes, you should throw your laptop in the bin."
[01:47] <kzm> oz__, lock solid?  I had only temp freezes related to power management (powernowd)
[01:48] <tallia2> :) ..
[01:49] <deviant> bob2: ok, it works. i`ve had to remove my /etc/asound.conf
[01:50] <oz__> kzm: yep, I've left it run for a half hour to see if it would come back.. no luck
[01:51] <oz__> is there any way of working out what is broken?
[01:51] <deviant> bob2: and the cipset was realtek afterall: Chip: Realtek ALC655 rev 0
[01:53] <tsw> hmm interesting while playing mp3 with xmms it seems to play about half of the speed, but when I take ssh connection to some server and start to use the connection playing gets almost perfect..
[01:55] <tsw> as long as my network is busy xmms plays correctly, but as soon as network activity stops mp3 starts to slow down
[01:56] <m4lc0m> hi, anyone knows how can i configure a VPN connnection with hoary?
[01:57] <bob2> you need to find out what sort of vpn connection it is
[01:57] <bob2> there are > half a dozen, each incompatible
[01:58] <tallia2> siii!! audio is ok
[01:58] <m4lc0m> ? the vpn i configure with the wizard on Windows, is the same, i'm in a campus and they use VPN for internet access, so now with ubuntu i'm not able to go on internet
[01:58] <deviant> bob2: ok, the sound works. but i still can`t use mplayer and another media player togeder ..
[01:58] <tallia2> i've found something at this page http://www.nervous.it/hw/linux_aspire1300xv.html#network
[01:58] <tallia2> but in this page i can't understand a thing..
[01:58] <bob2> m4lc0m: so, when you ask for help, say you're using "MS's vpn" or something
[01:58] <tallia2> about the network configuration...
[01:58] <bob2> deviant: did you configure dmix?
[01:59] <bob2> tallia2: go to the system -> administration -> network menu
[01:59] <tallia2> where's the kernel configuration menu!?
[01:59] <deviant> bob2: i don`t have dmix
[01:59] <tallia2> nothing is shown in the device list bob2
[01:59] <tallia2> in the network menu :)
[01:59] <bob2> deviant: then you need to set it up
[02:00] <bob2> tallia2: you don't need to configure your kernel
[02:00] <tallia2> ok
[02:00] <bob2> deviant: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[02:00] <deviant> aha
[02:00] <tallia2> what should i do!?
[02:01] <bob2> tallia2: what does "lsmod | grep via-rhine" print out?
[02:02] <cliebow> any of you guys help an ubntu newb? can't seem to ocerwrite /etc/resolv.conf..as root..qith 777 perms annd chatr -i
[02:02] <tallia2> ok.. nothing..!!
[02:03] <bob2> tallia2: run "sudo modprobe via-rhine", then try the lsmod command again
[02:03] <tallia2> k
[02:03] <bob2> cliebow: does "dmesg" show disk errors?
[02:04] <cliebow> lemme look..just coming up
[02:04] <tallia2> bob2: nothing again
[02:05] <bob2> tallia2: ok
[02:05] <tallia2> for the audio problem.. i've to add the audio via module to the module load file!?
[02:05] <tallia2> now it functions.. but i don't know i'll reboot what ....
[02:05] <bob2> tallia2: add the name of the module to /etc/modules on it's own line
[02:06] <cliebow> bob2: i dont see anything to bother in dmesg..still looking
[02:07] <m4lc0m> SO, anyone knows how to configure an MS VPN connection on ubuntu
[02:07] <m4lc0m> ?
[02:07] <bob2> m4lc0m: it's annoying and fiddly, unfortunately
[02:07] <tallia2> snd_via82xx ??
[02:08] <cliebow> bob2: i see a couple hotplug errors..that is all
[02:08] <bob2> tallia2: snd-via82xx, yeah
[02:08] <bob2> cliebow: that's weird then.  what does "lsattr /etc/resolv.conf" say?
[02:08] <tallia2> ah.. the via_rhine module is present in the list now!!!
[02:08] <bob2> cliebow: and are you sure the problem isn't that it's being overwritten?
[02:08] <Seveas> bob2, resolv.conf is constantly being overwritten by dhclient3 (if that applies here)
[02:08] <tallia2> it wasn't with the hyper...
[02:08] <tallia2> :)
[02:08] <bob2> Seveas: right
[02:09] <cliebow> bob2:............  rssolv.conf
[02:09] <bob2> cliebow: 22:08:32 @         bob2 | cliebow: and are you sure the problem isn't that it's being overwritten?
[02:09] <Seveas> i am just jumping in here, but hat is cliebows problem?
[02:09] <Harnak> bob2: do you know off hand where I can find the info to change the mixers that are used for output so that when I plug in my headset I can now listen to music through it rather than the speakers?
[02:10] <bob2> that's what I'm trying to find out
[02:10] <Seveas> ah :)
[02:10] <bob2> Harnak: you can't, easily
[02:10] <tallia2> bob2: the network module is in lsmod.. what i've to do now!?
[02:10] <Seveas> cliebow, if you are using dhcp but want to set the name servers manually, screem 'AII!' and i'll help you :)
[02:10] <bob2> tallia2: does it show up in the network config thing?
[02:10] <cliebow> bob2: well i have tried vi..and used network-admin..neither sticks
[02:10] <Harnak> bob2: thanks for your help
[02:11] <cliebow> bob2: you mean from dhcp?
[02:11] <bob2> cliebow: right, so the problem is that it gets chamged back by dhcp then
[02:11] <bob2> m4lc0m: http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/
[02:11] <bob2> m4lc0m: the debian docs should work on ubuntu
[02:11] <bob2> m4lc0m: ignore the kernel bits, that's already been done for you
[02:12] <Seveas> cliebow, if you use dhcp you cannot effectively overwrite /etc/resolv.conf
[02:12] <Seveas> you need to get dhclient3 to write it correctly (not too hard)
[02:12] <cliebow> bob2: i'llcheclk it our..the other prob is apt-get..cant seem to get libwww-perl or an update
[02:12] <BoomShaka> hi, umm im extremely noob, and im assuming most "windows products" wont work on ubuntu? such as macromedia and the game warcraft3?
[02:13] <bob2> cliebow: if you want to override some of the things dhcp server tells you, edit /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
[02:13] <BoomShaka> (among others)
[02:13] <Seveas> cliebow, are you using non-official repositories lick marillat or backports?
[02:13] <bob2> BoomShaka: right
[02:13] <tallia2> it's present but it's disabilitated
[02:13] <Seveas> BoomShaka, there is flash for linux
[02:13] <BoomShaka> ahh, cool
[02:13] <Seveas> wc3 might work ith wine or cedega
[02:13] <BoomShaka> wine or cedega?
[02:13] <cliebow> Seveas: jus t the default
[02:13] <bob2> tallia2: cool, good start.  now try "ifconfig eth0", does it print a bunch of stuff?
[02:13] <BoomShaka> other OS's ?
[02:13] <count0nz> BoomShaka, War3 yes i belive works in wine/cldega
[02:13] <Seveas> BoomShaka, no, see www.winehq.org (or .com)
[02:14] <bob2> BoomShaka: wine and cedega are tools to let you run windows programs on linux
[02:14] <Seveas> cedega is a commercial version of wine
[02:14] <BoomShaka> cool, thanks
[02:14] <bob2> BoomShaka: wine is free, cedega costs money but can play more games successfully
[02:14] <Seveas> cliebow, and what is the exact error (paste it on ubuntu.pastebin.com please)
[02:14] <cliebow> what should i use for a repositroy?
[02:14] <tallia2> yep--- bunch of studds...
[02:14] <deviant> bob2:  in which dir i have to create .asoundrc ?
[02:14] <bob2> deviant: ~/
[02:14] <bob2> tallia2: cool!
[02:15] <bob2> tallia2: so, now the kernel knows about your card
[02:15] <tallia2> perfect..
[02:15] <bob2> tallia2: you just need to configure the ip address and stuff, and you're done
[02:15] <bob2> tallia2: should it be using dhcp or do you want to set them statically?
[02:15] <tallia2> in the control panel i've tried to enable the interface.. but as soon as i enable it shutdown..
[02:15] <tallia2> s
[02:15] <tallia2> or better it disables...
[02:16] <bitar> hey all...
[02:16] <bitar> plz i'm trying to install linux but the boot freezes up @ " running /sbin/loader "
[02:16] <yay> hi people out there :) is there any tar.gz on the web containing all the kde files so that i can download 'em here and bring 'em home for my machine that is not connected to internet, so that i can make ubuntu equal to kubuntu?
[02:17] <r0d> Seveas, what do you think works better wine or cedega?
[02:17] <Seveas> yay, if you are running another ubuntu machine, you can make one yourself
[02:17] <Seveas> r0d, no opinion, i use neither
[02:17] <norm_> when installing some packages with apt i'm told to insert the cdrom to let apt install from there - how do i get it to stop doing that and look for the packages online? :)
[02:18] <rommer> norm_: take the cd rom entry out of /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:18] <pd_> norm_, remove the line for cd from /etc/apt/sources.lst
[02:18] <bob2> norm_: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynaptocHowto
[02:18] <yay> seveas, no (shame on me) i'm on windoz right now
[02:18] <Seveas> norm_, system->administration->synaptic package manager
[02:18] <tallia2> bob2: it's still locked ... i can't enable it!
[02:18] <Seveas> norm_, go to settings-> repositories
[02:18] <Seveas> norm_, and disable the CD as repository
[02:18] <bitar> anyone know a solution?
[02:18] <Riddell> yay: you could investigate apt-zip
[02:18] <bob2> tallia2: I've never used the kde or gnome tools, sorry
[02:19] <bob2> bitar: are you sure that's what it says?
[02:19] <tallia2> it's because it can be enable only when the cable is plugged in!?
[02:19] <cliebow> Seveas: i pasted to pastebin..but see no record of it here
[02:19] <Seveas> yay, you could try downloading the kubuntu cd...
[02:19] <Harnak> ugh.. sound in linux sucks.. it's too complicated .. I'm of to bed..
[02:19] <norm_> thanks guys :)
[02:19] <bitar> bob2, it doesn't say anything... it justs freezes @   "running /sbin/loader"
[02:19] <Seveas> cliebow, looks like the US archive gives errors again
[02:19] <yay> my connexion is at 5kb/s
[02:19] <_kevin> what program would i use to check sfv to see if a file is corrupted or not
[02:19] <tallia2> i'll try to reboot.. and connect the network at boot time..
[02:20] <tallia2> ..... :P
[02:20] <Seveas> yay, you don't ant to download all of kde too then
[02:20] <cliebow> Seveas..should i put another source in sources.list
[02:20] <yay> so you imagine :'(
[02:20] <Seveas> the kubuntu cd contains exactly the same
[02:20] <Seveas> cliebow, in a terminal type: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:20] <cliebow> ok
[02:20] <Seveas> cliebow, and change all occurences of us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com
[02:21] <cliebow> cool
[02:21] <Seveas> then save the file
[02:21] <Seveas> and retry
[02:21] <yay> seveas, at least the core
[02:21] <deviant> bob2: # cat ~/.asoundrc:
[02:21] <deviant> pcm.dsp0 {
[02:21] <deviant>     type plug
[02:21] <deviant>     slave.pcm " hw:0"
[02:21] <deviant> }
[02:21] <yay> then i'll install the rest later
[02:21] <deviant> # or:
[02:21] <deviant> # pcm.dsp0 pcm.default
[02:21] <deviant> # if "default" hasn't been redefined
[02:21] <deviant> ctl.mixer0 {
[02:21] <deviant>     type hw
[02:21] <deviant>     card 0
[02:21] <deviant> }
[02:21] <deviant> damn :(
[02:21] <Seveas> deviant, DO NOT paste in here!
[02:21] <deviant> rong paste
[02:21] <bob2> deviant: seriously dude
[02:21] <Seveas> yay, KDE core alone is 50+ MB
[02:21] <deviant> bob2: I know, I know
[02:22] <deviant> rong window.
[02:22] <deviant> sorry everyone
[02:22] <bob2> deviant: I don't know which it should be, I haven't setup dmix on my laptop yet
[02:22] <Seveas> kubuntu-desktop would be 109 MB when you have ubuntu-desktop already
[02:22] <novaflare> hmm i seem to have lost some of my icons
[02:23] <yay> is there a tar.gz of  kubuntu-desktop ? somewehere on the web?
[02:23] <deviant> anyone here who can help me to set up dmix ??
[02:23] <Seveas> yay, if you want i can create one of kde-core or kubuntu-desktop
[02:23] <bob2> deviant: dude
[02:24] <bob2> deviant: you read the howto? what didn't work?
[02:24] <NaWer> hi all
[02:24] <Seveas> yay, which one do you want?
[02:24] <yay> hi :)
[02:24] <yay> the base stuff, later i can build from sources if i need
[02:24] <NaWer> i've got a problem with smeg 0.6.1
[02:25] <deviant> bob2: this: Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?) when i used aoss mpg12
[02:25] <bob2> deviant: is it in use?
[02:25] <bob2> deviant: have you killed esd/beep/etc?
[02:25] <deviant> bob2: i shoud really get you a beer. you helped me so much today :)
[02:26] <NaWer> a problem like this : http://img158.echo.cx/my.php?image=capture5ht.png
[02:26] <r0d> anyone here use to watch techtv?
[02:26] <chrille> Ngon som vet var jag tankar wine till ubuntu!
[02:26] <Tallia1> bob2: you're the best.. !! i've rebooted and the network works!!!
[02:26] <deviant> bob2:  well, i have no esd or beep in use . other aps that might use it .. i don`t know
[02:27] <Tallia1> but tell me a thing ........... why!?! i haven't inserted the module in /etc/modules
[02:27] <bob2> deviant: fuser -v /dev/snd/pcm*
[02:27] <bob2> deviant: if you're ever in .eu ;p
[02:27] <yay> Seveas, i'll be really gratefull!!
[02:27] <bob2> Tallia1: yay, congrats!
[02:27] <bob2> er, .au
[02:27] <Tallia1> could you tell me why plz..!! :)
[02:28] <chrille> Kan ni inte prata svenska eller?
[02:28] <Tallia1> i 've add only the sound module.. but now the net works perfectly!!
[02:28] <bob2> Tallia1: that is odd
[02:28] <poningru> seveas: dude that bug will be fixed soon
[02:28] <Tallia1> odd?
[02:28] <Zambba> How can I fix my GRUB?
[02:28] <poningru> seems dave had to go to sleep
[02:28] <deviant> bob2:  no aps runing
[02:28] <hhurtta> chrille: this is english chanel, people here dont speak swedish :)
[02:28] <bob2> Zambba: you need to tell us how it's broken, first
[02:29] <deviant> bob2: .eu ? you mean europe ?
[02:29] <Zambba> Today it just restored its default settings and lost Windows from menu
[02:29] <bob2> deviant: I meant .au
[02:29] <poningru> so he will fix it later or someone else will fix it
[02:29] <poningru> so sorry for the delay
[02:29] <deviant> bob2: wish i was. i`m in .ro right now :P
[02:29] <chrille> Wher kan I find wine and download it!
[02:29] <poningru> anyway
[02:29] <chrille> For ubuntu
[02:29] <linukso> chrille: try #ubuntu-se
[02:29] <Tallia1> KDE question: i've just moved to kubuntu... there's a kde version of the gnome applet that shows the network activity usina an icon with 2 monitors like in windows!?
[02:29] <yay> Seveas...
[02:29] <bob2> chrille: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto, it's in the universe repository
[02:29] <Tallia1> bob2: odd?!?
[02:30] <bob2> Tallia1: I don't know why it started working
[02:30] <Tallia1> haha !! great!! tnx again..
[02:30] <wolverian> Tallia1: why are you shouting? :) it's remarkably useless on IRC.
[02:30] <bob2> deviant: ok, I take that back, I somehow have dmix working
[02:30] <turboliv> hello
[02:30] <Tallia1> i0m not shouting..
[02:30] <bob2> deviant: but I have no memory of setting it up
[02:30] <turboliv> any french here ?
[02:31] <bob2> turboliv: try #ubuntu-tr
[02:31] <bob2> er, fr
[02:31] <wolverian> Tallia1: I was referring to the exclamation marks.
[02:31] <turboliv> i'm looking after a soft for monitoting
[02:31] <Zambba> How can I restore my GRUB? Today it just restored some odd configuration and lost Windows from menu
[02:31] <deviant> bob2: lol. u should take it easy with that booze :P
[02:31] <cliebow> Seveas: still get errors..gonna pastebin the error ok?
[02:31] <Riddell> Tallia1: some people like knemo, I like knetload (and kcpuload)
[02:31] <Tallia1> ahh... ops sorry..
[02:31] <bob2> Zambba: you need to tell us *Exactly* what you did
[02:31] <Tallia1> tnx Riddell
[02:31] <bob2> Zambba: what does "restored some odd configuration" mean?
[02:32] <Zambba> bob2: I haven't have done anything :P
[02:32] <deviant> bob2: so, any sugerstion how i could make my dmix work ? (hope i`m not TOO much of a stress for you)
[02:32] <Zambba> When I booted my PC, the menu had just "Ubuntu, Ubuntu (recovery) and Memtest"
[02:32] <turboliv> someone know about a complete system monitoring ?
[02:32] <beginner> hello
[02:33] <Zambba> It used to have "WinXP, Linux, Linux (recorvery) and Memtest" (I have changed Ubuntu's -> Linux's
[02:33] <screamz> does anyone have an idea why my grub menu gets overwritten each time there s a new kernel image installed, and how I can prevent this from happening
[02:33] <beginner> i want to copy paste from a pdf coc
[02:33] <bob2> deviant: this is weird
[02:33] <beginner> how?
[02:33] <screamz> lol Zambba I have the same problem
[02:33] <bob2> deviant: all I seem to have are libao.conf files saying to use alsa09
[02:33] <bob2> beginner: select the rectangle of text you want in xpdf or gpdf, and paste it with a middle click in another program
[02:33] <beginner> is it posible to copy paste from a pdf doc?
[02:34] <Zambba> oh now I know why. I did "apt-get update" and it updated my kernel-image too :D
[02:34] <deviant> bob2: i don`t have libao. and i can`t apt-get install -it either ...
[02:34] <beginner> i dont have midle button
[02:34] <bob2> deviant: you have it already, it's fine
[02:34] <bob2> beginner: then both buttons together
[02:34] <IIIEars> Thank You for help earlier with Nvidia xserver - :)
[02:34] <bob2> deviant: oh, I'm dumb, don't mind me
[02:35] <bob2> let me try to set it up
[02:35] <deviant> bob2: i`ve got to nr 4 with the dmix how-to. there i`m all stuck :(
[02:35] <screamz> Zambba: I always have that problem, but I do overwrite the fresh menu with my backed up menu after the update before I reboot now
[02:36] <beginner> bob2 i just want to copy paste a text from there
[02:36] <beginner> can i?
[02:36] <IIIEars> screamz - What file do you back up?
[02:36] <screamz> but still I don t see why it doesn t , leave the menu as it is since the filename of the image hasn t change, and doesn t append itself if it s a new filename
[02:36] <Tallia1> Riddell: i've installed knemo
[02:36] <Tallia1> but where i can start it?!
[02:36] <screamz>  grub/menu.lst
[02:36] <bob2> beginner: yes, I just told you how
[02:36] <IIIEars> Great! - :)
[02:37] <Riddell> Tallia1: not sure, I've never used it, maybe on alt-f2  or maybe through the kicker app applet menu atrocity
[02:37] <Zambba> But what do I need to add to grub/menu.lst to add Windows?
[02:37] <screamz> but I would like to know if there is a configuration thingy so I can let the kernel image install thingy understand it doesn t have to overwrite my grub menu
[02:37] <m4lc0m> bob2: the thing is that i cannot use command as "apt get" or such an equivalent because my linux is not allowd to go on internet
[02:37] <screamz> Zambba: the lines are commented somewhere in the file itself
[02:38] <m4lc0m> I already know PPTP but when i was trying to configure it i met a lot of problem because it's not the ubuntu version but the common tar.gz
[02:38] <bob2> m4lc0m: isn't pptp-linux on the CD?
[02:38] <deviant> bob2: any luck ?
[02:39] <Tallia1> Riddell: in the service manager of kde control panel
[02:39] <Tallia1> :) tnz
[02:39] <m4lc0m> on the cd i have it'is not but if is on the new version (5.04) i can burn it
[02:40] <bob2> deviant: hm, no
[02:41] <deviant> hehe
[02:41] <beginner> got it bob2
[02:41] <beginner> thanks
[02:42] <bob2> deviant: so, when I run two copies of aplay, one waits for the other to finish, then starts
[02:42] <cliebow> Seveas: bzip2 data integrity error when uncompressing
[02:43] <NaWer> i need help for smeg 0.6.1 on hoary, nobody ?
[02:43] <deviant> bob2: something like that, yes
[02:43] <bob2> NaWer: Amaranth is the author
[02:43] <bob2> deviant: but aplay -D dmix or whatever plays at the same time?
[02:43] <NaWer> i know, he seems to be away
[02:43] <deviant> bob2: nop. i just hear some strage noise
[02:44] <deviant> *strange
[02:44] <bob2> deviant: ok, what card do you have?
[02:44] <bob2> oh, wait, we already did this
[02:44] <deviant> lol
[02:44] <deviant> bob2: yes. onboard Nvidia with realtek cipset
[02:44] <bob2> so, we both have shitty embedded sound
[02:45] <Amaranth> NaWer: Don't open the preferences dialog, hoary's pygtk sucks.
[02:45] <Amaranth> NaWer: Unless you're a KDE user you don't need it anyway.
[02:46] <bob2> seriously, it's a bug if your code crashes on that, tho
[02:46] <bob2> catch it or Depend on breezy's pygtk
[02:47] <NaWer> Amaranth: the pref dialog seems to load itself when i run smeg
[02:47] <Amaranth> err
[02:47] <Amaranth> bob2: how can i catch it? i _need_ that to happen
[02:48] <bob2> Amaranth: how come?
[02:48] <Amaranth> because it's useful to have radio buttons grouped so you can't select them all
[02:48] <Amaranth> although i may have figured out another way to set them up
[02:48] <bob2> eh?
[02:48] <NaWer> like this : http://img158.echo.cx/my.php?image=capture5ht.png (a capture is better cause of my bad english :( )
[02:48] <bob2> why doesn't your program catch the exception instead of letting it crash it?
[02:49] <Amaranth> it doesn't crash it
[02:49] <Amaranth> pygtk apps only crash if pygtk segfaults
[02:49] <Amaranth> it just dumps a traceback and the preferences dialog doesn't close
[02:49] <Amaranth> also, i didn't know hoary's pygtk sucked when i released it, i'm on breezy
[02:50] <bob2> ok
[02:50] <NaWer> but smeg work - but with a empty pref dialogue at the top of all windows
[02:50] <bob2> I like the way gentoo copied the other howto without noting where it came from
[02:50] <Amaranth> NaWer: Now _that_ is odd.
[02:51] <Amaranth> NaWer: Run smeg from a terminal, see if it outputs anything.
[02:51] <Amaranth> NaWer: Also, does this stick on the screen like that after you've tried to open the preferences dialog or is it always like that?
[02:51] <screamz> possibly not what you're looking for, but the file that tool manipulates is /boot/grub/menu.lst If you've never seen it, open it up in Gedit and take a look. It's pretty easy to change by hand...
[02:51] <screamz> Also, I moved my Windows Grub entry to before the lines that say ### Begin Grub Autoconfig or something to that affect. That way kernel updates won't blow away your windows grub entry...
[02:51] <screamz> is this correct?
[02:52] <screamz> the autoconfig thing
[02:52] <Amaranth> screamz: smeg doesn't edit menu.lst...
[02:52] <NaWer> Amaranth: nothing in a terminal
[02:52] <Amaranth> NaWer: Now I'm just confused...
[02:53] <IIIEars> (Newb raises hand and waves wildly..) Oh-Oh-Oh! - Would some kind and experienced Dev. please add md5sum to gnome?
[02:53] <Amaranth> IIIEars: ?
[02:53] <bob2> IIIEars: you want a GUI tool to do md5sums?
[02:53] <screamz> smeg?
[02:53] <NaWer> Amaranth: and when i open the pref dial with the menu, the empty dial box go a the corner top left on my screen - and smeg freeze
[02:53] <IIIEars> An icon drag and drop to the taskbar would be excellent.
[02:54] <IIIEars> Single file only
[02:54] <Amaranth> NaWer: Ok, I'm starting to think something is wrong with your computer.
[02:55] <NaWer> it's a fresh hoary install - 2 weeks only
[02:55] <IIIEars> I tried and died a fiery newb GTK death.
[02:55] <m4lc0m> bob2: PPTP is on the new release cd, the readme file says that i need the kernel MPPE patch, was you referring to that patch before?
[02:55] <bob2> m4lc0m: the ubuntu kernel already includes that
[02:55] <Amaranth> NaWer: I'll have to wait for someone else to report the bug before I can even begin to figure out why it's happening.
[02:56] <NaWer> I understand
[02:56] <deviant> bob2: ALSA lib pcm.c:2068:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM plugin:dmix <-- for  aplay -D plugin:dmix some.wav
[02:56] <bob2> deviant: er, that sucks
[02:56] <m4lc0m> bob2: thank you very much, i'm gonna try to install it now
[02:56] <m4lc0m> bye
[02:56] <bob2> good luck
[02:56] <NaWer> Amaranth: i've use the script, and i've got a depandance error like this : http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=184438&postcount=6
[02:56] <deviant> bob2: yeah, it does. i`ve sped my entyre day trying to make this to work
[02:57] <bob2> I'm not sure how you could get that error
[02:57] <NaWer> Amaranth : so i've tried to install the python-xdg_0.11-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[02:57] <Amaranth> NaWer: You need to install the pyxdg deb linked to in the first post in the thread.
[02:57] <Amaranth> yeah
[02:57] <NaWer> and i'm here :-D
[02:58] <Amaranth> you're getting what is either a pygtk or gtk bug
[02:58] <Amaranth> but i'll try to figure out a way to work around it
[02:58] <NaWer> Amaranth, i've did it :(
[02:58] <crimsun> deviant: what are you attempting?
[02:58] <bob2> crimsun: to get dmix working
[02:58] <deviant> crimsun: to set up dmix
[02:58] <Myrtti> how about switching the please don't use breezy yet first, ubuntu help second. And besides, we all have questions ;-)
[02:58] <crimsun> bob2: ah, thanks
[02:59] <NaWer> Amaranth: smeg work now, but with a empty pref dial at the stat up of smeg
[02:59] <Myrtti> on the topic, I mean
[02:59] <crimsun> deviant: what sound chipset?
[02:59] <Amaranth> NaWer: I know, you told me. Does the pref dialog ever go away though?
[02:59] <deviant> crimsun: Nvidia onboard with realtek cipset
[02:59] <NaWer> i don't undertans go away though
[02:59] <deviant> crimsun: ultimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio
[03:00] <crimsun> deviant: with what alsa applications are you testing?
[03:00] <deviant> crimsun: aplay rigt now
[03:00] <deviant> crimsun: i`m trying to do what it writes here: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[03:00] <crimsun> deviant: do multiple instances of ,,aplay -Dplug:dmix -fcd foo.wav'' work?
[03:01] <bob2> crimsun: he/she's been following the opensrc.org dmix howto
[03:01] <IIIEars> Okay - Guys if i spend all day wrestling with "zenity" and - accidently - learn something trying to md5sum script. IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT! - grin
[03:01] <yahalom> anyone use fluxbox
[03:01] <Amaranth> NaWer: Nevermind, I know the answer. I'll try to work something out for 0.6.2, but I'm not even sure what is wrong.
[03:01] <yahalom> ?
[03:01] <deviant> bob2: i`m a he :P
[03:03] <hac> How i can mount the proc Filesystem?
[03:03] <NaWer> Amaranth : ok thanks a lot ;)
[03:03] <bob2> hac: it's mounted during boot
[03:03] <deviant> crimsun: i get this error "ALSA lib pcm.c:2068:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM plugin:dmix" when i run aplay, indiferent of the number of instances
[03:03] <hac> bob2, im on a live cd...i try to reovery my old system
[03:04] <crimsun> deviant: please move any /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc out of the way
[03:04] <deviant> crimsun: so i should delete ~/.asounrc?
[03:05] <crimsun> deviant: mv ~/.asoundrc ~/.asoundrc.bak
[03:05] <yahalom> nobody can tell me why fluxbox from repos wont work?
[03:05] <Seveas> hac, the proc filesystem is not stored on disk, so there is no 'old' proc filesystem
[03:05] <crimsun> yahalom: it does afaict
[03:05] <yahalom> crimsun, it does what?
[03:05] <deviant> crimsun: ok, now what ?
[03:06] <tsw> fluxbox works here
[03:06] <Seveas> yahalom: afaict == as far as i can tell
[03:06] <yahalom> Seveas, thanx
[03:07] <yahalom> crimsun, i get a blan screen :(
[03:07] <crimsun> deviant: now try with that command again (aplay ...)
[03:07] <yahalom> where the .desktop sessions stored, like fluxbox.desktop
[03:07] <deviant> crimsun: i get the same error: ALSA lib pcm.c:2068:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM plugin:dmix // aplay: main:508: audio open error: No such file or directory
[03:08] <crimsun> yahalom: you're supposed to get a "blank" screen
[03:08] <crimsun> morn' tritium
[03:08] <tritium> morning crimsun :)
[03:08] <yahalom> crimsun, lol. how do i get the menu?
[03:08] <crimsun> yahalom: did you secondary-click a blank area of the desktop?
[03:08] <yahalom> crimsun, i thought i did. i'll try again.
[03:09] <yahalom> crimsun, yes, nothing
[03:09] <crimsun> deviant: "no such file or directory" <- is the wav file qualified (exists)?
[03:09] <yahalom> crimsun, it loads too fast to make sense. its a brown blank screen, and nothing happens when i click left, right, etc
[03:10] <deviant> crimsun: common, i`m not THAT lame :P duhh, sure it exists .
[03:11] <tritium> deviant, well, as you say, it's a "common" mistake
[03:12] <deviant> tritium:  :)
[03:12] <crimsun> deviant: ok, this is on Hoary, correcT?
[03:12] <yahalom> crimsun, no idea?
[03:12] <deviant> yup, is Hoary
[03:12] <WNight_> Anyone find a fix for that "kernel panic ... unknock-block(0,0)" problem? I'd like to get my system back up.
[03:12] <crimsun> yahalom: nothing at all?
[03:13] <crimsun> deviant: have you modified any ALSA packages?
[03:13] <deviant> crimsun: no
[03:13] <yahalom> crimsun, nothing man, just my mouse pointer
[03:13] <L7> Anyone know a safe way to fix tv-out? I have a nvidia-card.
[03:13] <HrdwrBoB> L7: use the nvidia drivers
[03:14] <HrdwrBoB> follow their readme.
[03:14] <tritium> WNight_, I rebooted into the new security-fixed kernel, and had no problems.  It appears to be only affecting certain hardware.
[03:14] <bob2> WNight_: on hoary?
[03:14] <yahalom> L7, grab ur tv and throw it out, while looking out of the window first
[03:14] <L7> HrdwrBoB, can i find the drivers in synaptic? and where can i find the readme?
[03:14] <tritium> L7, read /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz for the TwinView and TV-Out Sections
[03:14] <Seveas> WNight_, are you on amd64?
[03:14] <yahalom> L7, i'm tired. in ati i had to run fglx to get my tv out, maybe nvidia needs that too?
[03:14] <WNight_> bob2: Yeah
[03:15] <cliebow> bob2: i get bzip errors with apt-get update  they seem to dl ok..where are they put?
[03:15] <msieradzki> L7: i told you yesterday to use nvidia's drivers
[03:15] <HrdwrBoB> L7: apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[03:15] <msieradzki> instruction on ubuntuguide
[03:15] <HrdwrBoB> then nvidia-glx-config enable
[03:15] <WNight_> Can I chroot in from knoppix and remove the offending package? I don't know apt-get / dpkg that well...
[03:15] <tritium> L7, I pointed you to the readme
[03:15] <bob2> L7: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto explains it all
[03:15] <HrdwrBoB> then read the file tritium mentioned
[03:15] <bob2> cliebow: try again
[03:15] <Seveas> WNight_, yes you can
[03:16] <Seveas> cliebow, try removing all lists, they are stored in /var/lib/apt/lists/
[03:16] <Seveas> and do an apt-get update after you have removed them with sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*
[03:16] <cliebow> cant get apt-get update to work..get bzip errors..it suggest checking with bzip2 recover
[03:16] <nalioth> brb
[03:17] <bob2> cliebow: download again
[03:17] <cliebow> Seveas : thanks..tried a bunch of times
[03:17] <Seveas> bob2, no good, not if the local copy is mangled and it has not changed on the server
[03:17] <Seveas> cliebow, have you manually removed all local lists??
[03:17] <bob2> Seveas: hm, if the disk is corrupt, right...
[03:18] <Seveas> cliebow, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*
[03:18] <Seveas> bob2, or if something went wrong while donloading...
[03:18] <WNight_> Seveas: Can you tell me how I'd remove the problem package?
[03:18] <bob2> Seveas: if the download is screwed, the md5sum won't match
[03:18] <Seveas> bob2, hmm...
[03:18] <Seveas> good point
[03:19] <bob2> unless there's no Release file
[03:19] <Seveas> unless the md5sum was accidently mangled to match ;)
[03:19] <bob2> I don't know if that will work or nto at all
[03:19] <dooglus> hi.  can I install from the livecd to my hard disk?
[03:19] <cliebow> Seveas: done error is lists/partial is missing
[03:19] <Seveas> WNight_, you cannot remove the kernel upgrade
[03:19] <_kevin> are are soo many problems with nautilus
[03:19] <_kevin> in ubuntu 5.04
[03:19] <Seveas> cliebow, when did you get that error?
[03:20] <BoomShaka> another non tech Q: i get why the name ubuntu... but is this a south african project?
[03:20] <Seveas> _kevin, not that i knoe of
[03:20] <cliebow> apt-get update
[03:20] <_kevin> no I'm telling you
[03:20] <Seveas> BoomShaka, it's an international project
[03:20] <Seveas> cliebow, you did not rm -r did you?
[03:20] <WNight_> Seveas: Oh, I thought you said I could. Did I misunderstand? Do you know how to fix this?
[03:20] <BoomShaka> ok
[03:20] <cliebow> ahhh: sort of..
[03:21] <_kevin> Evertime i try to do thingsa round my desktop like right click on the file icons or move them... the dekstop is unaccessable and i have to kill the nautilus process from system monitor and wait for it to re-start
[03:21] <cliebow> i replaced the folder
[03:21] <Seveas> cliebow, sudo mkdir -p /var/lib/apt/lists/partial
[03:21] <cliebow> ahh
[03:22] <Seveas> _kevin, can you see with top which process is eating your CPU?
[03:22] <Seveas> WNight_, you can try installing the generic -386 kernel
[03:22] <cliebow> subprocess gzip returned an error code
[03:22] <bob2> dooglus: no, download the install cd
[03:22] <Seveas> cliebow, hen you do apt-get update?
[03:22] <dooglus> bob2, really?  that's terrible!
[03:22] <dooglus> I downloaded 600Mb to see if it like it - and now I have to download another 600Mb???
[03:23] <cliebow> Seveas: no can not//
[03:23] <WNight_> Seveas: How do I get the package name of the generic kernel? Can I look in a log, or do I have to do a package search on ubuntu's site?
[03:23] <crimsun> deviant: (sorry, at work)
[03:23] <bob2> dooglus: or get Canonical to post it to you for free
[03:23] <pulse^deaN> hey guys hows it going?
[03:23] <Seveas> WNight_, apt-get install linux-386
[03:23] <Seveas> cliebow, does that error happen when you try apt-get update?
[03:23] <pulse^deaN> im having troubles with my network setup. anyone able to help me?
[03:23] <Seveas> if so: please paste it on ubuntu.pastebin.com
[03:23] <incorrect> let me see, gentoo, the fun hours of compiling, or ubuntu binary packages, no effort updates
[03:23] <incorrect> hmmm
[03:24] <cliebow> compressed file ends unexpectedly.inappropriate ioctl
[03:24] <cliebow> yes
[03:24] <ke-vin> anyone know how to setup odbc for ms access? i have to use access as the database for my assignment
[03:24] <ke-vin> i have installed wine + ms access
[03:24] <deviant> crimsun: is ok. 1ox  for the help anyway
[03:24] <pulse^deaN> hey guys anyone can help me with ubuntu networking?
[03:25] <dubbus> Hi I need to configure ubuntu to see my laptop's 1024*768..it only sees 800*600
[03:25] <dooglus> incorrect: I downloaded both ubuntu and gentoo last week.  i was trying to decide what order to try them in, and thought i'd try gentoo first, since i was least likely to stick with it.
[03:25] <cliebow> pulse: whatr is the prob
[03:25] <L7> where do i find my x-config? forgot it :s
[03:25] <dooglus> i was right.  i can't even get it to boot...
[03:25] <pulse^deaN> hi
[03:25] <incorrect> is ubuntu networking like socialising?
[03:25] <pulse^deaN> ok if i pm>?
[03:26] <Seveas> dubbus, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:26] <Seveas> L7, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:26] <L7> thx
[03:26] <sherwin> why is it that sometimes i cannot type on the website or in the search button above?
[03:27] <dubbus> thank Seveas, just type that into a terminal?
[03:27] <Seveas> dubbus, yes, in a root terminal
[03:27] <sherwin> my problem is in firefox ver 1.04
[03:27] <djp> a question... mozplugger... a needed embedded plugins manager for firefox or best to leave well alone and just let each individual program open its associated file?
[03:27] <dubbus> great
[03:27] <Seveas> or use sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:27] <yahalom> who is the maintainer of the fluxbox package?
[03:27] <nalioth> dubbus: or use "sudo"
[03:27] <Seveas> yahalom, use apt-cache show
[03:27] <yahalom> please mail the maintainer of the package and tell him to --disable-xmb
[03:27] <dubbus> dumb question, what's the root pswd by default, I don't remember it asking
[03:27] <yahalom> Seveas, ok
[03:28] <Seveas> dubbus there is no root password
[03:28] <Seveas> dubbus: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:28] <dubbus> k
[03:28] <sherwin> why is it in firefox i cannot type anything in the website screen or in the search button
[03:28] <Seveas> sudo wants YOUR pass
[03:28] <dubbus> gotcha
[03:28] <Seveas> sherwin, ubuntu supplied firefox or self installed?
[03:28] <Seveas> sherwin, if you installed it yourself: remove it and use the ubuntu version.
[03:29] <sherwin> seveas thanks i upgrade firefox from synaptic using backdoor project
[03:29] <yay> Seveas, what about the kde-base and kde-core tars?
[03:29] <Seveas> sherwin, backports you mean?
[03:29] <Seveas> backports suck...
[03:29] <Seveas> yay, working on it
[03:29] <sherwin> yeah backport sory
[03:29] <Seveas> do NOT use backports
[03:29] <sherwin> why
[03:29] <Seveas> because they have no QA for instance...
[03:29] <Seveas> the packages tend to break a lot
[03:29] <Seveas> and cause upgrade hell
[03:30] <clarki> Newbie question on users / groups here. Can anyone help please?
[03:30] <sherwin> so you mean i have to remove it on synaptic?
[03:30] <yay> Seveas, can u send 'em to my email adress?
[03:30] <Seveas> sherwin, remove the backports repository, remove firefox and reinstall firefox from the official repository
[03:30] <Florob> sherwin: because as you see they don't work ;) Ubuntu's version is pretty much 1.0.4 anyway, because it has all bugfixes
[03:30] <yay> or put 'em on a web server?
[03:30] <Seveas> yay, i'll do the latter
[03:30] <sherwin> ok thanks man
[03:30] <snowblink> clarki, just ask your question
[03:31] <sherwin> this xchat is amazing
[03:31] <L7> Isn't there anyone with a NVIDIA-card and uses tv-out that can paste me your conf? I don't get it to work :/
[03:31] <sherwin> people here are really helping noobs like me heheh
[03:31] <digip1mp> does anyone know how to make azureus open firefox when I click on the announce link?  that link does nothing now
[03:31] <nalioth> sherwin: ya want a new experience, try irssi (just a try)
[03:31] <snowblink> Florob, only problem is getting extensions
[03:31] <sherwin> nalioth what is irssi
[03:32] <Seveas> irssi is a terminal based chat client
[03:32] <sherwin> i dont know that
[03:32] <digip1mp> nalioth: what can irssi do that xchat can't
[03:32] <digip1mp> ?
[03:32] <nalioth> snowblink: you may d/l the extension 'user agent switcher' or google how to change user agent in firefox
[03:32] <IIIEars> IRC client irssi
[03:32] <dooglus> digip1mp: it can run in a shell window
[03:32] <nalioth> sherwin: digip1mp irssi is a text mode irc client
[03:32] <Seveas> digip1mp, it keeps the terminal addicts happy :)
[03:32] <clarki> I have added a development web server (apache)  to my desktop Ubuntu via the XAMMP package. Everything works fine, but I cannot edit files in the htdocs folder as they are owned by the user 'nobody'. Current I have to edit the files locally then 'upload via FTP.
[03:32] <sherwin> heheh
[03:32] <snowblink> nalioth, fair enough, but not exactly neat
[03:32] <digip1mp> you freakin' junkies....
[03:32] <dooglus> digip1mp: it can run when you don't have an X server handy
[03:33] <yay> Seveas can u please send me the urls to <directeur at gmail dot com>?
[03:33] <nalioth> sherwin: digip1mp irssi is limited by your scripting abilities
[03:33] <sherwin> im new to linux though
[03:33] <Seveas> yay, are you dutch/belgian/south african?
[03:33] <HrdwrBoB> clarki: you can use 'chown' to change the owner of these files
[03:33] <Seveas> nalioth, so is xchat :)
[03:33] <HrdwrBoB> dubbus: irssi works with screen
[03:33] <nalioth> sherwin: so it's all new to you
[03:33] <djp> a question... mozplugger... a needed embedded plugins manager for firefox or best to leave well alone and just let each individual program open its associated file?
[03:33] <digip1mp> clarki: chown -R apache /var/www/html
[03:33] <IIIEars> Good Morning sherwin, Welcome! :)
[03:33] <sherwin> anyway thanks guys ill reinstall my firefox now bye
[03:33] <HrdwrBoB> er digip1mp
[03:34] <dooglus> where can I find the ubuntu public key(s)?
[03:34] <HrdwrBoB> digip1mp: I run IRC once and can resume it from anywhere in the worldf
[03:34] <nalioth> Seveas: just showing that there are numerous options out there
[03:34] <clarki> So I make the owner of the files my own user?
[03:34] <digip1mp> HrdwrBoB: I can too - I use PsyBNC
[03:34] <IIIEars> (newb paranoia?)
[03:35] <nalioth> digip1mp: what is PsBNC?
[03:35] <HrdwrBoB> digip1mp: even if I used psybnc I'd use irssi anywya :)
[03:36] <crimsun> deviant: please paste your asoundrc.bak to pastebin.com
[03:36] <IIIEars> irssi is nice. it must of been around a long time there are tons of scripts for it.
[03:36] <Seveas> yay, it's now uploading to a webserver :)
[03:37] <nalioth> IIIEars: hmm havent found the trove of irssi scripts yet
[03:37] <snowblink> clarki, man chmod; man chown
[03:38] <IIIEars> this site is cool. http://www.irssi.org/scripts/
[03:39] <nalioth> IIIEars: musta overlooked the link in my rush to get to "tips and tricks"
[03:39] <goldfish> IIIEars: It is.
[03:39] <goldfish> Irssi rules.
[03:39] <goldfish> Some really neat scripts for it.
[03:39] <goldfish> Try out dau.pl :)
[03:40] <IIIEars> irssi is much more flexible than any windows client. - black hat or white.
[03:40] <Seveas> red hat?
[03:40] <Seveas> :p
[03:40] <IIIEars> heh
[03:41] <dooglus> what am I supposed to do with http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/5.04/MD5SUMS.gpg ?
[03:41] <L7> when you are configuring something, how do you select the boxes?! that looks like [*]  and [ ]  (when they are empty)
[03:41] <dooglus> L7, hit space on them perhaps?
[03:42] <clarki> snowblink: Thanks.
[03:42] <Seveas> L7, hit the number that corresponds to it
[03:42] <Seveas> dooglus, you can let gpg check thr integrity of your iso with it
[03:42] <dooglus> Seveas: that's what I thought.  but won't I need a gpg key to check it against?
[03:42] <deviant> crimsun: where?
[03:43] <Seveas> dooglus, if you run it through gpg, it'll tell you which key it needs
[03:43] <dooglus> Seveas: oh, I see
[03:43] <Seveas> and you can gpg --recv-keys it :)
[03:43] <admx> Is there a captive-ntfs package for ubuntu?
[03:44] <Seveas> admx, no
[03:44] <dooglus> if I had hacked the download server, I would just replace the gpg file with one that was signed by one of my keys though...  hmmm
[03:44] <admx> thz
[03:44] <da_bon_bon> i modularised all driver for mouse and keyboard-- now i dunno how to get mouse working -- modprobe sermouse and psmouse wont work.. or do i need to do something else after modprobing them ?
[03:44] <Seveas> dooglus, yeah, but the key signatures are available somewhere more secure too
[03:44] <Seveas> i just forgot where :)
[03:44] <deviant> crimsun: ok, is there :D
[03:44] <dooglus> Seveas: ok.  that's what I'm trying to find.  No luck yet though.
[03:45] <digip1mp> does anyone know how to make azureus open firefox when I click on the announce link?  that link in azureus does nothing now
[03:46] <Stealth__> hey, anyone know if kernel sources for 2.6.10-5-386 exist??
[03:48] <Stealth__> i need to compile the ipw2200 drivers, but dont have the sources
[03:48] <Stealth__> and i can find the package?
[03:48] <Stealth__> *cant
[03:48] <Taliesin`> Does anyone know where I can set the kernel.HZ value?
[03:48] <Taliesin`> sysctl -a shows i dont have one?
[03:48] <Stealth__> is there a package or will i need to recompile a diferent one?
[03:49] <IIIEars> Can i do  apt search gpg-key - to fix errors from using the unofficial addons CD?
[03:49] <wdh> Stealth__, apt-cache search linux-source
[03:49] <rosco> hi again
[03:50] <rosco> anyone knows how to make the trackpad of a powerbook work on ubuntu ?
[03:50] <Stealth__> wdh, thats the problem, this is on my laptop, i need new ipw2200 for my WPA network, and i cant go online ;)
[03:50] <crimsun> Taliesin`: it's 1000 Hz for most x86
[03:50] <wdh> Stealth__, you are online now, arent you?
[03:50] <slept> I got a problem with nfs , I want  to make the server resolve the links  because the client can't, the files aren't exported ?
[03:51] <nalioth> time for work
[03:51] <rosco> and is the wireless of a powerbook supposed to work with the live version of ubuntu ?
[03:51] <wdh> Stealth__, try packages.ubuntu.com then, and download the appropriate package
[03:51] <toran> hey guys, I need some help getting php working with my apache2 install please
[03:51] <toran> no matter what I do, I always get internal server errors when I try to go to php pages
[03:51] <toran> [Tue May 24 08:51:03 2005]  [error]  [client 127.0.0.1]  (8)Exec format error: exec of '/var/www/web/foo.php' failed
[03:51] <toran> [Tue May 24 08:51:03 2005]  [error]  [client 127.0.0.1]  Premature end of script headers: foo.php
[03:51] <toran> [Tue May 24 08:51:05 2005]  [error]  [client 127.0.0.1]  File does not exist: /var/www/web/favicon.ico
[03:52] <deviant> bob2: i`ve done it. it works. read this if you want to set up your dmix also :http: //ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063&highlight=dmix
[03:52] <Stealth__> wdh, i've looked and cant find it
[03:52] <yahalom> anyone use enlightenment?
[03:52] <Stealth__> the only one near it are in breezy devel
[03:52] <Stealth__> 2.6.10 source
[03:52] <deviant> crimsun: i`ve done it mate. thanks for the help :)
[03:52] <Taliesin`> (crimsun): thts great, but lets say I want to change it?
[03:52] <Stealth__> but mine's 2.6.10-5-386 >_<
[03:52] <wdh> 2.6.10 is in hoary
[03:52] <crimsun> deviant: k
[03:53] <Stealth__> is that any different or should i go ahead and install those then?
[03:53] <crimsun> Taliesin`: then you need to recompile your kernel
[03:53] <Taliesin`> ok, in the middle of that
[03:53] <Taliesin`> what option do i change? (2.6.10 kernel)
[03:53] <crimsun> google for it
[03:53] <Taliesin`> tried that
[03:53] <Taliesin`> :/
[03:53] <Taliesin`> else i wouldnt be asking ;/
[03:54] <wdh> Stealth__, just install those, the whole x86 thing is determined by the compilation, so does not apply to the source
[03:54] <Gadi> how can I change the default umask?
[03:54] <IIIEars> Taliesin - 2.6.11 is trouble for this machine don't know if you will see the same thing.
[03:54] <Stealth__> k, thx
[03:54] <crimsun> Taliesin`: arch options
[03:55] <Gadi> I tried login.defs, but won't take...
[03:55] <crimsun> Taliesin`: otherwise, include/asm-i386/param.h
[03:55] <crimsun> ->work
[03:57] <deviant> when converting a NTFS partiton to FAT32 , the data on the partition remains ?
[03:57] <Burgundavia> deviant, you cannot do that
[03:57] <Burgundavia> deviant, FAT32 --> NTFS is quite stable, but I wouldn't trust my life to it
[03:57] <deviant> Burgundavia: i think PQ Magic does it
[03:57] <Burgundavia> oh
[03:57] <Burgundavia> I wouldn't do it
[03:58] <novaflare> fat 32 to ntfs can be done and data remains ntfs to fat32 impossible fat 32 to faat 15 impossible
[03:58] <deviant> well, i`m stuck with 100Gb on a NTFS partition
[03:58] <Seveas> ntfs2fat is impossible, afaik even pqm cannot do it
[03:58] <novaflare> you can repartion the space ntfs or not
[03:58] <novaflare> split the ntfs partion in half 1.3 2x 25 etc and reformat to what ever you want
[03:59] <deviant> yes, i could repartion , but i will loose all my music, movies, etc
[03:59] <novaflare> some tools claimed they could convert ntfs back to fat32 but id not trust them far as i could toss a building
[03:59] <novaflare> nope
[04:00] <deviant> damn
[04:00] <novaflare> you can repartion the free space
[04:00] <g14> deviant: Defrag the computer and then you can use gparted to resize the partition
[04:00] <deviant> writeing to NTFS from linux is no tposible :(
[04:01] <g14> deviant: Yes it is: http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[04:01] <yahalom> how do i isntall enlightenment?
[04:01] <L7> how do you find out which kernel you're using?
[04:01] <deviant> g14: is it safe?
[04:02] <g14> L7: uname -a for everything and uname -r for just the version
[04:02] <L7> thx
[04:02] <g14> deviant: It uses wine, parts of reactos, and the actual NT kernel to read / write files. Captive takes a little longer to mount ntfs partitions but works fine
[04:02] <g14> deviant: It is installed on the newest knoppix cds with a pretty little wizard to set it up for you
[04:02] <novaflare> if you have 100 gigs of ntfs hd and are only useing 25 gigs you can repartion the 75 gigs
[04:02] <novaflare> accualy g14 you dont even need to defrag
[04:02] <novaflare> during the partioning it will do that all on its own
[04:03] <novaflare> less gparted doesnt do it like nearly all other partioners do
[04:03] <r0df> why does ubuntu need the cd when its updating? anyone know?
[04:03] <g14> novaflare: Actually, you DO need to defrag because there are no linux tools to defrag ntfs
[04:03] <deviant> g14: so is kinda safe . hmm
[04:03] <g14> deviant: yes
[04:04] <Burgundavia> g14, L7 http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-May/007620.html
[04:04] <deviant> novaflare: /dev/hda5     ntfs    126G  104G   22G  83% /mnt/media
[04:05] <lotusleaf> I defragged my windows box with format and never looked back
[04:05] <kestas2> r0df: you havent removed it from /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:05] <g14> Burgundavia: ok? That doesn't say anything about captive ntfs. It talks about a virusscanner?
[04:05] <deviant> lol @ kestas2
[04:05] <novaflare> i wish i could
[04:05] <kestas2> ?
[04:05] <novaflare> unfortunatly i have a couple games i play that are windows only
[04:05] <r0df> kestas2, thx
[04:06] <kestas2> wait r0df I might be wrong
[04:06] <pulse^deaN> anyone a pro at ubuntu networking?
[04:06] <pulse^deaN> :P
[04:06] <pulse^deaN> that can help me?
[04:06] <kestas2> me I am a pro
[04:06] <L7> Problem with the tv-out again: I've installed the drivers and i've got the nvidia-logo on boot and so on, but what to do next? :s
[04:06] <admx> The CD is listed in your repo.
[04:06] <r0df> kestas2, well I just took it off. guess I cant test it untill I install something
[04:07] <Burgundavia> g14, follow the thread
[04:07] <gautham> yippeee
[04:07] <gautham> hi room
[04:07] <gautham> yehaaaa
[04:07] <gautham> eureka
[04:07] <gautham> any body in here folks?
[04:07] <goldfish> yus
[04:08] <admx> In update manager under prefs you can remove to CD from the list.
[04:08] <goldfish> hello
[04:08] <gautham> helllooooooooooooooooo
[04:08] <lotusleaf> novaflare, you can wean yourself off those ;)
[04:08] <gautham> ubuntu is the best
[04:08] <gautham> folks
[04:08] <WhiteRabbit> gautham, hurry up before the lunch clock & we all leave though
[04:08] <goldfish> open up /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the line with cd in it
[04:08] <gautham> all my problems r solved
[04:08] <gautham> my audio id up
[04:08] <gautham> my adsl is up
[04:08] <goldfish> Cool.
[04:08] <gautham> superb
[04:08] <r0d> gautham,  yea i thinks its the best debian based linux
[04:08] <gautham> folks
[04:08] <gautham> all other linux stinks
[04:08] <r0d> not really
[04:09] <gautham> coz it doesnt recognise anything
[04:09] <teknoprep> hi all
[04:09] <gautham> i had hard time
[04:09] <teknoprep> whats up
[04:09] <goldfish> hi teknoprep
[04:09] <gautham> with red hat
[04:09] <kestas2> hi tekkah
[04:09] <teknoprep> ty goldfish
[04:09] <teknoprep> no teknoprep
[04:09] <WhiteRabbit> gautham, sure they do
[04:09] <theD3viL> where my theme is saved as text?
[04:09] <r0d> gautham, gentoo you can customize better
[04:09] <gautham> ya
[04:09] <WhiteRabbit> you just have to man handle some distros thats all ;)
[04:09] <gautham> and ubuntu
[04:09] <gautham> just recognised my i810
[04:09] <gautham> it recognised my i810 audio
[04:10] <gautham> and also my adsl
[04:10] <gautham> modem
[04:10] <gautham> i just did network settings
[04:10] <r0d> its easier....
[04:10] <gautham> coool man
[04:10] <teknoprep> gautham do you have your adsl modem hooked up usb
[04:10] <teknoprep> ?
[04:10] <gautham> nope
[04:10] <teknoprep> good
[04:10] <gautham> y?
[04:10] <teknoprep> is it a pci adsl modem
[04:10] <gautham> hmmmm
[04:10] <gautham> no idea actually
[04:10] <teknoprep> is it ?
[04:11] <gautham> u mean that port thingie?
[04:11] <teknoprep> is the modem extrernal or internal
[04:11] <BoomShaka> so i should be able to format my windows pc, and install ubuntu cleanly?
[04:11] <gautham> external
[04:11] <teknoprep> how does it hook up to your computer
[04:11] <teknoprep> ethernet or usb
[04:11] <kestas2> oss is like hollywood; noone likes your software until everyone likes it
[04:11] <gautham> ethernet
[04:11] <gautham> ya
[04:11] <teknoprep> then how does your system recognize your adsl modem
[04:11] <gautham> no
[04:11] <gautham> i know
[04:11] <gautham> it sayd
[04:11] <g14> Burgundavia: Ok, so that basicly says the wizard like knoppix uses for captive is fully legal. Why doesn't it get put on the live cd?
[04:11] <gautham> its not a DHCP enabled thingie
[04:12] <gautham> i said do network settings manually
[04:12] <teknoprep> r0d, gentoo owns..i just hate waiting for the compile
[04:12] <gautham> and i gave my ip and all stuff
[04:12] <Burgundavia> g14, no it doesn't
[04:12] <r0d> anyone using broadcom wireless card
[04:12] <Burgundavia> r0d, they don't work in linux
[04:12] <r0d> teknoprep, same here. thats why i use ubuntu on my laptop. i was lazy
[04:12] <gautham> so hows my idea tekno?
[04:12] <Seveas> r0d, i do
[04:12] <r0d> but not saying ubuntu isnt good.... i like the control
[04:12] <Seveas> asus wl100g
[04:13] <g14> Burgundavia: The last sentence: On the other hand it is perfectly legal to ask user for his/her confirmation whether he/she is really the authorized user of Microsoft Windows XP product and download/extract the Service Pack files accordingly.
[04:13] <Seveas> works fine with ndiswrapper
[04:13] <rodrigo> hey, there is a way to install ubuntu on my computer with the live cd?
[04:13] <lotusleaf> I wish I could install ubuntu in my brain
[04:13] <gautham> hahahaha
[04:13] <mxpxpod> Burgundavia: they work in linux with ndiswrapper (on i386, not powerpc)
[04:13] <r0d> Seveas, what are you using for driver ndis?
[04:13] <g14> Burgundavia: You've used knoppix with the captive ntfs wizard right?
[04:13] <gautham> ok folks
[04:13] <Burgundavia> g14, most users don't have a legal copy of XP
[04:13] <Seveas> rodrigo, a difficult way one can only successfully do if one knows dpkg/apt/debootstrap quite good...
[04:13] <gautham> cud u kindly enlightne me abt the issues in linux
[04:13] <Burgundavia> g14, I dumped windows 2 years ago
[04:13] <Seveas> r0d, the win2k drivers from asus
[04:13] <Burgundavia> g14, but I am an MCP
[04:13] <mxpxpod> Burgundavia: good man :)
[04:13] <gautham> cud u kindly enlighten me abt the issues in linux
[04:13] <Seveas> bcml5.inf oslt
[04:13] <g14> Burgundavia: oh, haha. That is their problem
[04:13] <gautham> im new to it actually
[04:14] <gautham> i wanna knw how to use linux upto its extent :)
[04:14] <Burgundavia> g14, there is acceptable risk, and I don't the win for captive is worth it
[04:14] <r0d> Seveas, i c, intergrated. wish i had the driver for mine:(
[04:14] <mxpxpod> Burgundavia: well, tell the person to go out and get a usb wireless adapter :)
[04:14] <Seveas> r0d, which one?
[04:14] <r0d> Seveas,  trying to use reverse engineered ndiswrapper
[04:14] <gautham> tekno r u there?
[04:14] <g14> Burgundavia: The risk won't be on ubuntu if a user with an illegal copy of windows clicks yes to do you have a legal copy?
[04:14] <gautham> tekno r u there?
[04:15] <Seveas> r0d, reverse engineered ndiswrapper?!?
[04:15] <Seveas> ndiswrapper is oopen source
[04:15] <gautham> teknoprep
[04:15] <Seveas> s/oo/o
[04:15] <r0d> Seveas, thats what im told
[04:15] <gautham> HEY WHERES TEKNO?
[04:15] <gautham> HELLLOOOOOOOOOO
[04:15] <Seveas> ndiswrapper just ises windows drivers
[04:15] <mxpxpod> gautham: be patient
[04:15] <Seveas> gautham, please do not shout
[04:15] <gautham> :((
[04:15] <Seveas> some people in here actually have a life tooo
[04:16] <r0d> Seveas, i c. someone told me different. thx
[04:16] <kestas2> not likely
[04:16] <r0d> well still doesnt work , lol
[04:16] <Seveas> r0d, which card do you have?
[04:16] <teknoprep> gautham, yo
[04:16] <gautham> where had u been?
[04:16] <teknoprep> gautham, here
[04:16] <teknoprep> gautham, where have you been
[04:16] <gautham> ok
[04:16] <kestas2> TWAIN
[04:16] <r0d> i really couldnt tell you. its in my motherboard :(
[04:16] <Burgundavia> mxpxpod, a necessary evil
[04:16] <gautham> i was here
[04:16] <gautham> all the way
[04:16] <r0d> Seveas, i really couldnt tell you. its in my motherboard :(
[04:16] <Seveas> kestas2, mark?
[04:17] <mxpxpod> Burgundavia: because of ndiswrapper, there are no drivers for ppc for broadcom chips in linux
[04:17] <kestas2> Seveas: mark?
[04:17] <Seveas> r0d, ah,,,
[04:17] <gautham> so tekno
[04:17] <Seveas> kestas2, Mark Twain :)
[04:17] <r0d> Seveas, you alot about kismet?
[04:17] <mxpxpod> no one feels the need to work on the drivers on i386 since they have ndiswrapper :(
[04:17] <lotusleaf> I just saved a bundle on my afterlife insurance by switching to Satan!
[04:17] <Seveas> r0d, never used it
[04:17] <kestas2> windows' generic scanner input driver
[04:17] <slept> r0d, lspci
[04:17] <Seveas> kestas2, i kno
[04:17] <Seveas> kno even
[04:18] <Seveas> damn my w is failing
[04:18] <r0d> Seveas,  whats that?
[04:18] <Seveas> kismet is some sniffing tool iirc
[04:18] <mjr> mxpxpod, well, it's not like the specs were forthcoming anyway
[04:18] <kestas2> god damn I hate computers
[04:18] <gautham> have u come across problems with i810?
[04:18] <gautham> ok
[04:18] <gautham> i have a small and silly problem
[04:19] <r0d> anyone use kismet w/ broacom 's chipset?
[04:19] <gautham> can u help me out?
[04:19] <gautham> i have a java plugin to install
[04:19] <gautham> with extension .bin
[04:19] <gautham> i donno the command
[04:19] <gautham> since im used to windows
[04:19] <mxpxpod> mjr: oh, I agree :), but at least more people would have the incentive to RE the chips if ndiswrapper wasn't around
[04:19] <gautham> if i click in gui it says cant run application
[04:19] <teknoprep> gautham, when you talk to me.. put my name at the beggging of your sentences like it do
[04:19] <kestas2> my neck is permeanently bent forward
[04:19] <gautham> can any1 help me with command?
[04:19] <Burgundavia> mxpxpod, no, that is seperate issue
[04:19] <dcraven> mxpxpod: ndiswrapper doesn't work for ppc?
[04:19] <gautham> tekno
[04:19] <mxpxpod> dcraven: heck no... why would it?
[04:19] <teknoprep> gautham, just type tekn <then hit tab>
[04:19] <kestas2> from having my face 2" from the monitor
[04:19] <Seveas> ndiswrapper uses windows driveres...
[04:19] <teknoprep> teknoprep, like this foo
[04:19] <teknoprep> gautham, i don't pay attention unless its in red
[04:19] <Seveas> so it cannot work on ppc
[04:19] <teknoprep> gautham, i am at work
[04:19] <gautham> teknoprep,
[04:19] <gautham> ok
[04:19] <teknoprep> gautham, yeah like that
[04:19] <kestas2> kind of like that spider thing in Lost in Space
[04:20] <dcraven> mxpxpod: I never really thought about it.. heh
[04:20] <gautham> teknoprep, i gotta problem
[04:20] <teknoprep> gautham, what is it
[04:20] <benkong2> hello all
[04:20] <mxpxpod> and unless you completely emulate the io layer from osx (which would be hell), there won't be a wrapper for the osx drivers for ppc
[04:20] <IIIEars> Does anyone have the link for Hoary Hedgehog gpg keys?
[04:20] <Burgundavia> dcraven, those are all i386 compiled binaries
[04:20] <benkong2> anyone got a good reference for ubuntu as a pdc on a local network?
[04:20] <Burgundavia> IIIEars, open syn and hit restore defaults
[04:20] <gautham> teknoprep, actually i have a .bin file,its actually a java package for firefox
[04:20] <gautham> teknoprep, how do i install it?
[04:20] <dcraven> Burgundavia: Yeah, the actual drivers eh?
[04:21] <IIIEars> Thank You - That was really too easy. - lol
[04:21] <Burgundavia> IIIEars, in settings-->repos-->authentication
[04:21] <Burgundavia> dcraven, yes
[04:21] <Seveas> gautham, eeeek
[04:21] <IIIEars> Ubuntu love.
[04:21] <Seveas> gautham: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[04:21] <slept> benkong2, samba ?
[04:21] <benkong2> yes
[04:21] <alkuovi> I'm looking for a password manager. Are there any you would recommend?
[04:21] <mxpxpod> ok, time to work on some non-conformance reports :)
[04:21] <gautham> Seveas, don it
[04:21] <benkong2> slept, yes
[04:21] <r0d> Seveas,  I'm new to dpkg and apt. when i apt-cache install ndiswrapper. is their any other configurations i need to do? lsmod doesnt show my module
[04:22] <dcraven> alkuovi: revelation is nice.
[04:22] <teknoprep> gautham, you want to install it for firefox.. run the .bin file... myuser@blah# sh the.name.of.your.bin.file.bin
[04:22] <mxpxpod> alkuovi: revelation
[04:22] <gautham> Seveas, i wanna knw whaz the command
[04:22] <alkuovi> thank you
[04:22] <teknoprep> gautham, or doit that way
[04:22] <teknoprep> gautham, you may have more luck with that
[04:22] <Seveas> r0d, you need to have linux-restricted-modules as well, that one conains the kernel module
[04:22] <L7> why do my screen on tv turn blue when i want to watch i movie? :(
[04:22] <gautham> teknoprep, pls tell the complete command
[04:22] <Seveas> and you need to add ndiswrapper to /etc/modules
[04:22] <gautham> teknoprep, coz im new pls don mind
[04:22] <teknoprep> gautham, fuck you i did... sh the.name.of.your.bin.file.bin
[04:22] <Seveas> and you need to install the windows drivers
[04:23] <slept> benkong2, if you use swat or webmin you an just switch it on, try swat it's really nice and powerfull to configure samba
[04:23] <Seveas> teknoprep, DO NOT do that for java
[04:23] <teknoprep> Seveas, lol i got mine to work
[04:23] <gautham> teknoprep, ok
[04:23] <teknoprep> Seveas, had to do a few other things
[04:23] <Seveas> for java, it's better to use java-package
[04:23] <r0d> Seveas, i c. alot of steps. i'm guessing this can run almost any windows driver?
[04:23] <Seveas> r0d, yes
[04:23] <teknoprep> Seveas, it is?
[04:23] <r0d> Seveas,  w00t!!
[04:23] <Seveas> r0d, there is an ndiswrapper howto
[04:23] <teknoprep> Seveas, java-package does not work with limewire
[04:23] <Seveas> on the wiki
[04:23] <benkong2> slept, ok I can just switch it on do you mean synaptic install webmin?
[04:23] <r0d> Seveas,  yea i c one. tytytytytyty
[04:23] <Seveas> teknoprep, java-package is just for installing the .bin file cleanly
[04:24] <gautham> teknoprep, also my fonts r too big,i cant put it to 800*600?
[04:24] <teknoprep> gautham, your fonts are too big or your screen resolution is wrong
[04:24] <L7> why do my screen on tv turn blue when i want to watch i movie? :(
[04:24] <gautham> teknoprep, both
[04:24] <slept> benkong2, yes - swat is even nicer  it has more documentation links for the options
[04:24] <teknoprep> gautham, you willl have to learn how to add the resolutions to your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:24] <gautham> teknoprep, i mean i cant adjust it to 800*600
[04:24] <slept> benkong2, and more options
[04:25] <teknoprep> gautham, what is your resolution now
[04:25] <benkong2> slept, thanks got it installing now
[04:25] <gautham> teknoprep, how do i it?
[04:25] <benkong2> can swat and webmin be used?
[04:25] <dcraven> gautham: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:25] <epic> nas a to2
[04:25] <teknoprep> gautham, well first you google.com for ... where did my brain go.. i forgot how to do things on my own
[04:25] <teknoprep> gautham, or you could answer a few questions and i will help...
[04:25] <teknoprep> gautham, first thing... what is your resolution now
[04:25] <slept> benkong2, yes but you won't need both swat is on localhost:900 webmin on 10000
[04:26] <gautham_> teknoprep, its 640*480
[04:26] <teknoprep> dcraven, thanx.. i didn't feel like explaining this again to someone else
[04:26] <teknoprep> dcraven gautham: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:26] <benkong2> slept, ok but....looks like webmin will also let me do mysql and apache
[04:26] <teknoprep> gautham, go there
[04:26] <dcraven> teknoprep: np :)
[04:26] <gautham_> teknoprep, ok dude
[04:26] <gautham_> teknoprep, i hope it hepls
[04:26] <gautham_> teknoprep, i mean helps
[04:27] <toran> hey guys, PHP doesn't seem to be working at all with my apache2 install. (it was working, I did something with my server configuration and it got messed up). Can anyone help me completely re-install php and stuff and get it working?
[04:27] <dcraven> teknoprep: That's why I wrote that page.. Lot's of people have that problem.
[04:27] <slept> benkong2, if you want to use webmin you'll have to add a webmin "root account"
[04:27] <teknoprep> dcraven, i find xorg.conf pretty easy
[04:27] <gautham_> dcraven, hi
[04:27] <teknoprep> dcraven, actually i find it very easy
[04:27] <Seveas> toran, apt-get remove --purge all apache/php things and reinstall them :)
[04:27] <IIIEars> Hm - Can't be sure that -unofficial- add ons CD didn't corrupt something. - bbl
[04:27] <dcraven> teknoprep: Yeah, but not everyone does.
[04:27] <dcraven> gautham_: hi
[04:27] <gautham_> dcraven, hii
[04:27] <toran> Seveas: hmm... i have apache kind of configured, will it remove my apache config?
[04:27] <gautham_> dcraven, so u wrote it?
[04:28] <benkong2> slept, thanks
[04:28] <teknoprep> toran, back your config up
[04:28] <toran> ok, thanks
[04:28] <dcraven> gautham_: Uhh.. No.
[04:28] <Seveas> toran, --purge will remove it, but that's what you wanted isn't it?
[04:28] <teknoprep> toran do this ... cp blah.conf /root/blah.conf
[04:28] <teknoprep> toran, or wherever you want to save your backup's
[04:28] <L7> why do my screen on tv turn blue when i want to watch i movie? :(
[04:28] <toran> Seveas: I was mainly thinking just the php stuff was what I wanted to reinstall, but I may have to do it all
[04:28] <teknoprep> L7, ?
[04:28] <dcraven> L7: TV?
[04:29] <teknoprep> lol
[04:29] <teknoprep> wtf
[04:29] <Seveas> toran, if php isn't working you've screwed up apache conf and/or php conf
[04:29] <slept> benkong2, there is a script for the account , don't add a real root user
[04:29] <toran> Seveas: prolly both. thanks for the help
[04:29] <teknoprep> Seveas, php.ini
[04:29] <dcraven> teknoprep: Apparently the channel is branching out to AV now.
[04:29] <Seveas> L7, because video overlay is not enabled for that screen...
[04:29] <Seveas> L7, read a good X manual on how to enable it...
[04:29] <gautham_> dcraven, apparntely i gave an order for ubuntu cds,how long cud it take?
[04:30] <teknoprep> dcraven, lo
[04:30] <dcraven> gautham_: Mine are taking quite a long time. I ordered a couple of days before release and they haven't arrived.
[04:30] <teknoprep> L7, try #xorg
[04:30] <L7> Seveas, ok, i had the same prob in Windows and just rememberd that i needed to change the TV for screen nr1 and monitor for nr2
[04:30] <teknoprep> L7, they may give you the same answer tho
[04:30] <L7> maybe it's more complicated in ubuntu
[04:31] <gautham_> dcraven, whats this shit abt panels? i find it irritating,if i minimise some program its not to be seen!
[04:31] <Seveas> L7, it is
[04:31] <dcraven> gautham_: I don't understand.
[04:31] <gautham_> dcraven, like if i minimise some program,and i cant see where it is
[04:31] <onno> Hello, I need to have two displays but seperate desktop. All tutorials explain how to expand you desktop over two monitors. But that is very unpractical as your browser gets to big etc...
[04:31] <gautham_> dcraven, it jus dissappears
[04:31] <L7> Seveas, k, spent the last hour fixing the tv-out so i guess that's another project then..
[04:32] <onno> I got a laptop with Nvidia card in it
[04:32] <teknoprep> gautham, don't you have a bar at the bottom of the screen
[04:32] <onno> somebody a hint how to do it?
[04:32] <gautham_> tekkah, ya
[04:32] <gautham_> teknoprep, ya
[04:32] <teknoprep> gautham_, it should be there
[04:32] <dcraven> gautham_: You can add a Window List to a panel. You must have removed it at some point.
[04:32] <slept> onno, do you want to clone ?
[04:32] <gautham_> dcraven, may be how do i do it again?
[04:33] <onno> clone would be ok, but my laptop is at 1400 while the monitor is 1024 7 slept
[04:33] <dcraven> gautham_: Right click on the panel that you want to add it to, Add to Panel, chose Window List.
[04:33] <dcraven> gautham_: It's an applet.
[04:33] <teknoprep> onno, what
[04:33] <onno> I want to see for example the result on the monitor of a website I'm making
[04:33] <onno> So I know the colors are ok
[04:33] <Amaranth> Smeg 0.6.2 is out! hoary bugfixes and KDE support :)
[04:34] <onno> on the laptop they arn't ok
[04:34] <gautham_> dcraven, ok i wanna add this irc client
[04:34] <onno> slept, how would I do it?
[04:34] <heinrich> hi
[04:34] <teknoprep> wow.. how noobish does this channel get
[04:34] <teknoprep> my head hurts
[04:34] <dcraven> ...
[04:34] <heinrich> where can i get debs for openoffice 1.9m104??
[04:34] <teknoprep> dcraven, this is some seriously low lvl help
[04:34] <dcraven> gautham_: The Window List lists all open windows.. Just like Windows did.
[04:34] <Phagocytor> hello
[04:35] <onno> slept?
[04:35] <dcraven> teknoprep: I dunno how to explain it.
[04:35] <Seveas> heinrich, if that one is newer than the hoary version: nowhere
[04:35] <slept> onno, that shouldn't be a problem you'll still have to screen sections , it works I have done it once but its a long time since I had a nvidia card. But the documentation is quite well
[04:35] <mxpxpod> heinrich: I think they are in universe under openoffice2
[04:35] <mxpxpod> heinrich: if not there, in multiverse
[04:35] <onno> documentation on ubuntu?
[04:35] <Seveas> Amaranth, update your symlink then :)
[04:35] <heinrich> ok
[04:35] <heinrich> cu
[04:35] <slept> onno, I other words I can't remember . But there should be a example config in /usr/share/doc/nvidia...
[04:35] <Amaranth> Seveas: I did.
[04:36] <Seveas> ah, wget turned it into smeg.deb.1
[04:36] <dcraven> Seveas: That's annoying eh? That's messed me up before too. haha
[04:36] <Myrtti> ok, I managed to bork my sound system. Help appreciated. I installed some stuff that I thought could help me adjust the bass levels, but this is ridiculous.
[04:38] <onno> glx or settings
[04:38] <slept> onno, you can always use "apropos topic" that will search the man pages and than man result - documentation on ubuntu
[04:38] <slept> topic in that case nvidia
[04:40] <yaaar> word
[04:40] <bigfoot> hello
[04:40] <bigfoot> When I'm in Xchat, and someone types my name in their message, my computer beeps. IS there a way to decrease the volume of the beep? Thank you.
[04:41] <Mazuego> hi all
[04:41] <slept> look in Setings
[04:41] <slept> t
[04:41] <Mazuego> a question
[04:41] <Mazuego> where have i to put the codecs for totem?
[04:42] <Rayen16> hi, a friend of mine has installed Ubuntu, but later he installed XP and GRUB disappeared, and he can't boot to Ubuntu anymore, how could I fix this problem ?
[04:42] <Seveas> Rayen16, boot from a livecd and run grub-install (hd0)
[04:42] <msieradzki> if it was hd0
[04:42] <Rayen16> Seveas is Ubuntu Hoary 5.04 Install able to do this?
[04:43] <Stealth__> yay im back
[04:43] <Mazuego> I have downloaded the codec pack from the mplayer site... where i must put them?
[04:43] <Seveas> Rayen16, iirc the install cd ants to install first...
[04:43] <Myrtti> dammit
[04:43] <Stealth__> ok wdh, i installed the headers, source, etc.
[04:43] <Stealth__> now when i try to compile the drivers
[04:43] <Stealth__> i get cc: command not found
[04:44] <Stealth__> but gcc is installed
[04:44] <Seveas> Stealth__, aptitude install build-essential
[04:44] <slept> Myrtti, ?
[04:44] <Stealth__> build-essential?
[04:44] <bigfoot> hi slept, settings does not have volume control over the "beep" when someone writes my name or sends me a private message. Does anyone know how to control the volume of the Beep in XChat (and perhaps in other programs that uses the beep sound)?
[04:45] <Stealth__> oh...
[04:45] <Stealth__> i dont have that one
[04:45] <Stealth__> k, ill d/l it...
[04:45] <Stealth__> brb
[04:48] <Wout000> hello
[04:48] <Sensebend> hello Wout000
[04:48] <Seveas> hallo Wolven
[04:48] <Seveas> Wout000*
[04:48] <Wout000> i have ordered my Ubuntu CD with Shipit about 6 weeks ago, never got it
[04:48] <teknoprep> Seveas, can i run ubnuntu on reiserfs
[04:49] <Seveas> Wout000, just wait, they'll arrive...
[04:49] <Seveas> teknoprep, afaik: yes
[04:49] <Sensebend> Wout000, it usually takes longer than that for them to arrive
[04:49] <Sensebend> It's usually quicker to download the ISO images
[04:49] <Wout000> ok thanks
[04:49] <Wout000> i'll just wait for the cd
[04:49] <Sensebend> I personally just use my ship-it CDs to give away to people
[04:50] <Myrtti> darn it
[04:50] <teknoprep> is there an option to install ubuntu with reiserfs on setup
[04:52] <hannes_> teknoprep: yes
[04:52] <thotypous> hi
[04:52] <hannes_> in manual disk partitioning
[04:52] <scott> does anyone know why windows xp won't boot after installing ubuntu?
[04:53] <Myrtti> I FIXED IT! OH JOY! *bounces up'n down*
[04:54] <Sensebend> scott I assume, you kept your windows XP installation right ?
[04:54] <teknoprep> hannes_, you notice a difference with reiserFS
[04:54] <Myrtti> I love myself
[04:54] <Myrtti> <3
[04:54] <Seveas> scott, you are blessed, this is THE opportunity to get rid of it ;)
[04:54] <hannes_> mm
[04:54] <scott> lol
[04:54] <hannes_> not so much
[04:54] <Seveas> scott, but seriously: what's the error?
[04:54] <Sensebend> and an entry shows up in the bootloader?
[04:54] <teknoprep> hannes_, really?
[04:54] <hannes_> but my ext3 broke down
[04:54] <hannes_> so I'm currenty using reiserf
[04:54] <hannes_> s
[04:54] <teknoprep> hannes_, are all linux FS like in beta forever
[04:54] <hussam> anybody knows where I can downlaod splashy 0.1.1 ?
[04:55] <scott> well, if I choose windows it won't boot....it starts booting and then stops (reboots)
[04:55] <hannes_> teknoprep: not like beta
[04:55] <digip1mp> I've got a storage enclosure my company ordered a while back.  You hook it up to the computer via one SCSI cable, and it has two raid-5 arrays - each 7 IDE disks (14 total).  The raid controller is built into the storage cabinent.  It all of a sudden is not detected by the SCSI card during boot.  I tried another SCSI card and that doesn't detect it either.  Trying to use a null-modem serial cable to directly interface with the storage cabinent fails as w
[04:55] <digip1mp> ell - it's not responding.   Any ideas?
[04:55] <teknoprep> hannes_, lol
[04:55] <abarbaccia> teknoprep, if you consider linus FS in beta, i guess ntfs is alpha?
[04:55] <teknoprep> abarbaccia, NTFS owns you...
[04:55] <abarbaccia> ntfs is terrible
[04:55] <scott> somehow ubuntu screwed up xp, even though I have them both on separate drives
[04:55] <teknoprep> abarbaccia, if you think NTFS sucks you're out of your mind
[04:55] <Sensebend> so what is UFS? :D
[04:55] <Triffid_Hunter> help, my serial port won't go slower than 115200 baud.. setserial /dev/ttyS0 baud_base 9600 spd_cust divisor 4 doesn't do anything
[04:55] <teknoprep> abarbaccia, there is nothing wrong with it
[04:56] <abarbaccia> teknoprep, have you done any reading on ntfs
[04:56] <abarbaccia> except defrag, terrible access times, and data loss, no, nothing
[04:56] <teknoprep> abarbaccia, of course i have my MCSE
[04:57] <teknoprep> abarbaccia, i am not proud of my MCSE.. i find its less of a cert the my CCNA
[04:57] <teknoprep> but wtf.. better then not having it
[04:57] <slept> Sensebend, /msg dpkg ufs
[04:57] <abarbaccia> true
[04:57] <d0ril> help...how do i install ubuntu from floppy? i've changed the boot sequence in bios but the computer doesn't boot from the cdrom drive
[04:57] <teknoprep> abarbaccia, ppl still think ppl are smart when they have there MCSE
[04:57] <Seveas> scott, how far does windows get? you see the windows logo?
[04:57] <teknoprep> d0ril, do yo uknow how ot brun an ISO properly to your cd
[04:57] <scott> yes, for a second
[04:57] <hussam> anybody here knows where I can download splashy?
[04:58] <scott> before it reboots that is
[04:58] <abarbaccia> scott, do you have a single drive
[04:58] <Seveas> ok, that just means your windows is f*cked up and you need to reinstall. This has nothing to do with havning installed linux
[04:58] <Sensebend> lol Seveas
[04:59] <scott> no, two
[04:59] <scott> one has windows
[04:59] <scott> the other has ubuntu
[04:59] <abarbaccia> scott, maybe i can help - i think i know the issue
[04:59] <abarbaccia> scott, the drive that has the MBR you boot onto - windows or linux
[04:59] <scott> i think it's the windows drive
[04:59] <Seveas> abarbaccia, it starts booting, it's not a grub issue
[05:00] <d0ril> teknoprep: its the original cds, i haven't burned the isos
[05:00] <abarbaccia> well, i know its not grub
[05:00] <abarbaccia> grub = god
[05:00] <abarbaccia> scott, do you just get a black screen?
[05:00] <abarbaccia> scott, what happens when you choose windows?
[05:01] <scott> no, it reboots soon after you see the windows logo for a sec
[05:01] <scott> that's in "normal mode"
[05:01] <scott> try "safe mode" and it lists a bunch of files
[05:01] <scott> it stops at GBserver.sys or something
[05:01] <abarbaccia> oh, well then its just a windows issue i assume - just coincidence - because if it gets to booting windows, its out of the hands of the boot loader and nothing to do with ubuntu anymore
[05:01] <Sensebend> it does sound like this is a windows error
[05:02] <scott> yeah, but I don't know why it won't boot all of a sudden
[05:02] <abarbaccia> i know windows doesn't play nice with dual boot, and the problems with it being on the first boot device and having its own MBR
[05:02] <scott> I just installed ubuntu
[05:02] <scott> somehow it messeed with windows
[05:02] <Triffid_Hunter> help, my serial port won't go slower than 115200 baud.. setserial /dev/ttyS0 baud_base 9600 spd_cust divisor 4 (which is sposed to set it to 1200) doesn't do anything
[05:02] <new2gentoo> scott, use ubuntu to copy over necessary documents from windows and dont look back
[05:03] <ubuntu> hmount: /dev/hda5: not a Macintosh HFS volume (Invalid argument)
[05:03] <ubuntu> ybin: /dev/hda5 appears to have never had a bootstrap installed, please run mkofboot
[05:03] <ubuntu> I have this error trying to install yaboot
[05:03] <abarbaccia> scott, if you really think it was from ubuntu and want to fix windows, boot to the windows CD, make sure the primary boot device is indeed the XP drive and at the prompt type fixmbr
[05:03] <abarbaccia> but do it with caution and read up on what you are doing before you do it scott
[05:03] <ubuntu> someone with ubuntu in ppc?
[05:04] <scott> k, thanks
[05:04] <ubuntu> 3did someone read my error
[05:04] <d0ril> help, i need a boot floppy to begin ubuntu installation, i can't boot from cdrom, and i want install ubuntu...any idea?
[05:04] <nicklax> anyone with knowledgment about public proxy servers... and if it's possible to use port 80 proxies in browsers?
[05:05] <scott> will "fixmbr" fix the boot process?
[05:05] <Seveas> it is possible nicklax
[05:05] <Sensebend> fixmbr will write a windows bootloader to the mbr
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> scott,  xp has 'fixmbr' and 'fixboot' i think.
[05:05] <Seveas> scott, no that will only wipe grub from the mbr, but this is not a grub ussue
[05:05] <Seveas> issue*
[05:05] <nicklax> Seveas, yeah, i mean use socks4 and 5, i can't just using firefox?
[05:05] <Sensebend> this is a Windows issue if Windows starts booting
[05:06] <Seveas> firefox can use a simple http proxy on port 80
[05:06] <cert> hi people...
[05:06] <cert> i just installed kubuntu
[05:06] <cert> and i don't really like it..
[05:06] <nicklax> cert, why?
[05:06] <cert> now my sound in gnome is gone
[05:06] <scott> sensebend, so if I use fixmbr is should make windows boot again?
[05:07] <cert> very ugly is the maing thing...
[05:07] <Seveas> cert, have you disabled sound server startup?
[05:07] <Sensebend> yes
[05:07] <cert> ur....
[05:07] <nicklax> cert, you don't like kde?
[05:07] <scott> thanks
[05:07] <cert> i do like kde
[05:07] <Seveas> cert, you can always try kde or other gnome themes
[05:07] <_hp_> anyone here got vmware running on ubuntu? tells me permission denied even when i try to run it as root
[05:07] <cert> Seveas what do you mean
[05:07] <d0ril> is there any mean that i can launch ubuntu installation from grub? because i've a old linux distro in that box and wanna do a clean ubuntu install, but the cdrom doesn't boot
[05:07] <cert> well... the menu from kde
[05:07] <makaveli> how would i add a command line argument to a keybinding
[05:07] <cert> is not very nice..
[05:07] <cert> very wow.. feeling.. not as neat as gnome
[05:08] <Seveas> d0ril, you can use netboot install if you have that possibility
[05:08] <nicklax> i feel gnome a little slow still
[05:08] <cert> Seveas, how do i check if my sound is on at start up
[05:08] <nicklax> but prefer it
[05:08] <cert> it was working before
[05:08] <Seveas> cert, ignore me, i misread your lines
[05:08] <scott> thanks for your help, gotta run to work
[05:08] <dooglus> oh dear.
[05:08] <cert> oh i see i see
[05:08] <d0ril> Seveas, how can i do a netboot install?
[05:08] <dooglus> so I downloaded the install cd, installed ubuntu, and now my PC won't boot.
[05:08] <Seveas> cert, for the sound issue: go to system->preferences->sound
[05:09] <dooglus> it tells me there's a problem with the boot sector, press 'h' to try again, or go to floppy.
[05:09] <Seveas> and see if "enable sound server startup" is on
[05:09] <cert> already been there
[05:09] <nicklax> do you ppl think i have a possiblitie to browse throught this?
[05:09] <cert> everything is enables
[05:09] <nicklax> Interesting ports on ns1.tstt.net.tt (196.3.132.1):
[05:09] <nicklax> (The 1654 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: filtered)
[05:09] <nicklax> PORT     STATE  SERVICE
[05:09] <nicklax> 25/tcp   closed smtp
[05:09] <nicklax> 53/tcp   open   domain
[05:09] <nicklax> 80/tcp   open   http
[05:09] <nicklax> 110/tcp  closed pop3
[05:09] <cert> i try disabling start up
[05:09] <nicklax> 123/tcp  closed ntp
[05:09] <cert> but still no sound
[05:09] <nicklax> 143/tcp  closed imap
[05:09] <Seveas> if it is on go to applications->sound&video->volume control
[05:09] <nicklax> 443/tcp  closed https
[05:09] <Seveas> nicklax, MSTOP IT
[05:09] <nicklax> 554/tcp  open   rtsp
[05:09] <makaveli> how do u add a command line argument to a keybinding?
[05:09] <nicklax> 1755/tcp open   wms
[05:09] <nicklax> Device type: broadband router|general purpose
[05:09] <nicklax> Running: Cayman embedded, IBM AIX 4.X
[05:09] <nicklax> OS details: Cayman 2E DSL/CABLE router, IBM AIX 4.02.0001.0000, IBM AIX 4.2.X-4.3.3.0, IBM AIX 4.3.2.0-4.3.3.0 on an IBM RS/*, IBM AIX Version 4.3
[05:09] <Seveas> DO NOT paste in here
[05:09] <nicklax> Seveas, sorry didn't know
[05:10] <_hp_> nicklax: FLOOD NOT YOU Fcker!
[05:10] <_hp_> anyone got vmware to run?
[05:10] <nicklax> sorry !
[05:10] <Seveas> _hp_, language....
[05:10] <nicklax> _hp_, not need to swear
[05:10] <cert> no my xmms is playing songs at a ridiculous rapid speed
[05:10] <cert> but still no sound
[05:10] <dooglus> I used to use lilo to dual boot WinXP and Mandriva.  ubuntu overwrote that with a 'grub' loader that doesn't work.  Can I get back to lilo somehow please???
[05:10] <cert> just constant jumps...
[05:10] <Seveas> cert, hmmzz...
[05:10] <Seveas> does that heppen with other media players too?
[05:11] <cert> anyway... how do rebuild gnome
[05:11] <cert> ??
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> use a mandiva install cd and its rescue mode perhaps and reinstall mandiva's lilo?
[05:11] <cert> what's the command
[05:11] <teknoprep> hey all
[05:11] <teknoprep> when i type sudo blah
[05:11] <makaveli> dooglus use a live cd or u can use ubuntu's cd to reinstall the bootloader through the expert setup
[05:11] <teknoprep> i still have to type the password once
[05:11] <teknoprep> is that normal
[05:11] <Seveas> teknoprep, yes
[05:11] <dooglus> makaveli: I booted to a live cd, and re-ran lilo, but it still won't boot.
[05:11] <teknoprep> even tho i am in the admin group
[05:11] <teknoprep> bleh is there anyway around this
[05:11] <Seveas> teknoprep, that is completely normal
[05:11] <teknoprep> Seveas, ok
[05:11] <teknoprep> Seveas, the pw is the same as my user and root
[05:12] <makaveli> dooglus: did u try using the expert install in ubuntu's install
[05:12] <Seveas> teknoprep, yes, there is a way around it by using NOPASSWD in the sudoers file, but i wouldn't recommend it
[05:12] <Seveas> read man sudoers for details
[05:12] <dooglus> makaveli: I went into expert mode, but I didn't see anything about boot loaders in the menu.
[05:12] <teknoprep> Seveas, why not... i would prefer that.. as i am the only user on this box.. and no one has remote access to it.. as iptables is setup for no incoming to the box.. only if established,related connection
[05:13] <Seveas> cert, that's not easy, i think the best option is installing debfoster, running debfoster. In debfoster you can keep everypthing and prune kubuntu-desktop. That will remove all KDE stuff
[05:13] <_hp_> which program would i use to create a new partition?
[05:13] <makaveli> dooglus: there is an option for bootloaders you have to somewhat go through part of the install like the detecting hardware and such and after that you will see it it is on the left hand side it will say install grub and then below it it will say install lilo
[05:13] <Triffid_Hunter> _hp_: cfdisk
[05:13] <cert> its ok
[05:13] <cert> i just want my gnome back
[05:14] <Seveas> then do the debfoster trick
[05:14] <cert> Seveas i don't mind loosing my kde
[05:14] <makaveli> dooglus: after that you have to tell it what device you want to install it on
[05:14] <Mahl> So problem is...when Burning stuff...it only burns at 8-10 x on my 48 X cdrom...what gives?
[05:14] <dooglus> makaveli: thanks.  i'll try that.
[05:14] <makaveli> np
[05:14] <Mahl> I set the burning speed at 48x within K3B
[05:14] <dooglus> bye for now...  :)
[05:14] <Mahl> but still...8-10 X
[05:14] <makaveli> does ne one know how to have a command line argument in a keybinding?
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> Mahl,  check that dma is enabled for your burner.
[05:15] <Mahl> Dr_Willis, how?
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> makaveli,  you mean for your window manager?
[05:15] <makaveli> yes
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> Mahl,  hdparm /dev/hd### where its your cdrom
[05:15] <makaveli> in gconf-editor
[05:15] <Mahl> /dev/cdrom you mean?
[05:15] <lesshaste> how would I do the linux equivalent of "man stdint.h". It doesn't seem to be there
[05:15] <makaveli> i want to have a command line argument executed when i press F10
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> makaveli,   could alwyas make a little batch file. and use the gnome keybinding preferances.. Ive nevermessed with gconf much
[05:15] <Triffid_Hunter> help, my serial port won't go slower than 115200 baud.. setserial /dev/ttyS0 baud_base 9600 spd_cust divisor 4 (which is sposed to set it to 1200) doesn't do anything
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> Mahl,  that should be a link to the real cdrom drive.
[05:16] <makaveli> that might work
[05:16] <makaveli> thanks
[05:16] <Mahl> dma is off
[05:16] <Mahl> how do i put it on?
[05:16] <Dr_Willis>  hdparm -d1 /dev/whatever
[05:16] <Mahl> and keepsettings is also off...shouldnt that be on?
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> check the ubuntu wiki's for more detailed info.
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> :P
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> no idea about keepsetting
[05:17] <d0ril> is there any possibility to have a install boot floopy that i can launch ubuntu installation? discarding the netboot option...
[05:17] <Seveas> d0ril, not yet
[05:19] <d0ril> what a shame, thanks anyway
[05:19] <jmjones> i'm having the dreaded "gnome hangs on startup" problem.  i've reinstalled ubuntu at least half a dozen times because of this.
[05:19] <jmjones> i found this page: http://lists.debian.org/debian-gtk-gnome/2003/11/msg00300.html and it didn't help
[05:20] <jmjones> anyone have gnome just hang on startup?  (after you've typed in your password in gdm?)
[05:20] <jmjones> and no errors in the .xsession-errors file?
[05:21] <Triffid_Hunter> jmjones: kde did that to me when i upgraded from 3.3 to 3.4.. i just moved my ~/.kde* to a backup folder, and redid my config and it worked fine
[05:21] <_hp_> where are the C header files located in ubuntu?
[05:22] <jmjones> i moved all my .gnome* .gtk* .theme* .icons* to a backup dir and it still has problems.
[05:22] <Kovotojas> whats the problem ?
[05:23] <Seveas> _hp_, /usr/include/
[05:23] <Seveas> as usual
[05:23] <jmjones> i don't think my problem is in my dot files in my home dir.  when i reinstall ubuntu, i re-use my home dir and everything is fine for a while
[05:24] <jmjones> ltuvis: my problem is that i 'm getting the "gnome hangs on startup" problem
[05:24] <jmjones> no errors in the .xsession-errors file
[05:24] <toran> Seveas: hey, thanks for that --purge help you gave me. Just letting you know, it worked and I got PHP working
[05:24] <jmjones> reinstalling helps for a while, then all of a sudden, it weirds out on me
[05:25] <cert> exit
[05:25] <agetty> hi
[05:25] <Seveas> toran, good to know :)
[05:27] <jeroen_> Is ubuntu-calendar (officially) dead?
[05:28] <djp> does anyone here know how to compile the genesis/mega drive emulator to run under ubuntu hoary?
[05:28] <teknoprep> hey anyone know this.. is there a way to only allow eth0 local subnet in iptables... to be allowed to comunicate to the device... i have a laptop and it travel's.. i want the local subnet to be allowed for comunication but nothing else... i know how to doit statically.. i want to do it dynamically... so when my local ip/subnet changes the rule changes with it
[05:28] <Seveas> jeroen_, there's a tech board meeting at 2000 UTC, (2200 CET). Ask there
[05:29] <jeroen_> Seveas, that's too late :( Do you suspect they know?
[05:29] <jiyuu0> Fresh from oven...
[05:29] <jiyuu0> Unofficial Ubuntu 5.04 Add-On CD
[05:29] <jiyuu0> Applications Snapshots: 23rd May 2005
[05:29] <jiyuu0> http://ubuntuguide.org/add-on-cd/
[05:29] <jiyuu0> Packages List: http://ubuntuguide.org/add-on-cd/add-on-cd-2005-05-23
[05:29] <AirWays> I'm trying to install PHP4 to my Ubuntu server, there is Hoary in that server. TErminal says like this: http://koti.mbnet.fi/airways/muuta/paste/quote.php?id=6055713944293483cf2440
[05:29] <AirWays> WHy?
[05:30] <jmjones> i just reinstalled ubuntu, copied back over all my .gnome dirs (.gtk, .icons, .themes too) and gnome came up
[05:30] <Seveas> AirWays, try manually running dpkg on the .deb files
[05:30] <Seveas> they are in /var/cache/apt/archives
[05:31] <AirWays> Okay
[05:31] <AirWays> To all those?!
[05:32] <AirWays> There are millions packages
[05:32] <Dave2|Laptop> That's every single package you've downloaded via apt
[05:32] <Dave2|Laptop> just the ones you want
[05:32] <AirWays> Well what I should do for those?
[05:33] <Dave2|Laptop> dpkg --install
[05:33] <AirWays> Okay
[05:33] <AirWays> dpkg --install php4_4%3a4.3.10-10ubuntu4_all.deb <- like that?
[05:34] <Seveas> AirWays, yes
[05:34] <AirWays> dpkg: efterfr?ad operation kr?er superanv?darbeh?ighet
[05:34] <qatsi> i need help setting up my audio card...i have it installed, but i cant hear anything.......(btw, volume levels are ok)
[05:35] <Seveas> AirWays, translation please :)
[05:35] <AirWays> I dont know
[05:35] <AirWays> This is Finnish this system but that is maybe swedish
[05:35] <AirWays> :D
[05:35] <lms> translation: needs to be root
[05:36] <Choubaka> wtf does that say?
[05:36] <rogk> AirWays: Do you have swedish in Finnish system? :)
[05:36] <Choubaka> I can't see the scandics for some reason
[05:36] <qatsi> help!!! i would love to have sound on this ubuntu system :S
[05:37] <Choubaka> qatsi: First: Are you using Breezy?
[05:37] <makaveli> what's the extension for a batch file in linux?
[05:37] <G-rM> bonjour tout le monde
[05:37] <Choubaka> makaveli: there is none
[05:37] <Choubaka> makaveli: there are no extensions in linux
[05:37] <qatsi> Choubaka suppose not, i dont know what it is.....
[05:37] <makaveli> then how do u create a batch file in linux?
[05:37] <Choubaka> makaveli: put a #!/program/to/be/executed/with in the beginning
[05:37] <Triffid_Hunter> help, my serial port won't go slower than 115200 baud.. setserial /dev/ttyS0 baud_base 9600 spd_cust divisor 4 (which is sposed to set it to 1200) doesn't do anything
[05:38] <Choubaka> and then give it execution rights.
[05:38] <makaveli> choebaka: i want to put a keybinding to a command line argument would that work
[05:38] <{Seb}> hey guys
[05:38] <makaveli> or is there an easier way to do it?
[05:38] <Choubaka> makaveli: in your case, you'll probably want #!/bin/bash
[05:38] <{Seb}> need some help with sound
[05:38] <{Seb}> i've a got a toshiba a60 laptop running ubuntu hoary
[05:38] <Seveas> makaveli, read the bash guide on tldp.org
[05:38] <{Seb}> and the sound is weird
[05:38] <makaveli> ok
[05:39] <{Seb}> it seems to work up until the desktop appears
[05:39] <{Seb}> the startup sound works
[05:39] <{Seb}> the gdm sounds work
[05:39] <{Seb}> but anything past that doesn't work
[05:39] <{Seb}> however, it works fine in suse 9.3 though
[05:39] <{Seb}> any ideas?
[05:39] <qatsi> Choubaka what is that breeze thing ?
[05:39] <d0ril> problem resolved, smartboot solved my problem with cdrom not booting. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SmartBootManagerHowto
[05:40] <padlefot_> hi, i'm having problems with my local network. i use a 100mbit switch, but when i try to transfer say a movie from my windows computer to the ubuntu-computer the maximum speed i get is around 140kbps, although if i do it the other way i get normal LAN speeds (100mbit).. anyone?
[05:40] <{Seb}> i think i saw something on ubuntuforums about it
[05:40] <ian__> hello ppl..
[05:40] <{Seb}> but i can't find it
[05:40] <{Seb}> any ideas?
[05:41] <ian__> im a newbie in ubuntu linux.. i am now in the process in installing my printer..i have found a linux driver.. its an rpm..how do i install it? when i used rpm -i <file> an error occured..
[05:41] <ian__> rpm: To install rpm packages on Debian systems, use alien. See README.Debian.
[05:41] <{Seb}> ian__: ubuntu does not use rpms
[05:41] <ivoks> ian__: you have all needed drivers in ubuntu
[05:42] <Choubaka> qatsi: a very unstable development version of Ubuntu
[05:42] <AirWays> Fel uppstod vid hantering:
[05:42] <AirWays>  php4
[05:42] <ian__> ivoks: what do you mean?
[05:42] <AirWays> Now it says like that
[05:42] <qatsi> Choubaka nope, im using Hoary...the latest i think....
[05:42] <ian__> Seb: so how do i install rpms in ubuntu?
[05:42] <ivoks> ian__: you don't have to install driver
[05:42] <Seveas> AirWays, go to the cache dir and type dpkg -i *.deb
[05:42] <ivoks> ian__: you allready have it
[05:42] <Choubaka> qatsi: good. hmm
[05:42] <AirWays> Okay
[05:42] <padlefot_> my ubuntu PC doesnt want let me transfer files in my local network at more than 140kbps downstream, but it works just finr upstream.. anyone?
[05:42] <Choubaka> What soundcard?
[05:42] <{Seb}> ian__: you need to conver them to debian packages by sudo alien -d RPMNAME.rpm
[05:43] <{Seb}> then install them with sudo dpkg -i RPMNAME.deb
[05:43] <AirWays> http://koti.mbnet.fi/airways/muuta/paste/quote.php?id=119209295342934b99b104b <-- Now it says like that :(
[05:43] <padlefot_> my ubuntu PC doesnt want to let me transfer files in my local network at more than 140kbps downstream, but it works just fine upstream.. anyone?
[05:44] <dcraven> Amaranth: Do you know how to open a file using GNOME's default app in pygtk?
[05:44] <qatsi> Choubaka when i run the Ubuntu Device Database it says my sound card is l82801DBlCH4  .....its an Intel integrated sound card for laptop.......according to my Gentoo knowledge, im suppsed to be using emu10k1 driver.....any idea >
[05:44] <dcraven> Amaranth: Without doing os.system("gnome-open whatever"). heh
[05:44] <Amaranth> dcraven: without doing that, no
[05:44] <ian__> seb: i have tried ...sudo alien .... but its asking me a password.. i have tried to put my password..incorrect.. is there a default password?
[05:44] <dcraven> Amaranth: Crud.
[05:45] <djp> does anyone here know how to compile the genesis/mega drive emulator to run under ubuntu hoary?
[05:45] <Amaranth> djp: one is in universe
[05:46] <AirWays> What could be wrong?
[05:46] <Choubaka> qatsi: so load the emu10k1 driver?
[05:46] <Amaranth> djp: sudo apt-get install dgen
[05:46] <padlefot_> my ubuntu PC doesnt want to let me transfer files in my local network at more than 140kbps downstream, but it works just fine upstream.. anyone?
[05:46] <josh42> any chance anyone can tell me how I change the menu behavior from instant-out to a delay or manual clicking?
[05:46] <qatsi> Choubaka how can i do that ?
[05:46] <ivoks> ian__: DON'T INSTALL THAT!
[05:46] <Choubaka> modprobe emu10k1
[05:46] <ivoks> ian__: why don't u listen to me?
[05:46] <qatsi> Choubaka thanx :)
[05:47] <Choubaka> What is he trying to install? :P
[05:47] <ivoks> rpm ppt driver :)
[05:47] <Choubaka> ppt?
[05:47] <ian__> ivoks: why? i have tried to install my printer using the defualt drivers of ubuntu..there is no Canon..1120
[05:47] <ian__> Canon laser shot lbp 1120..
[05:47] <Choubaka> ian__: get the driver from linuxprinting.org?
[05:48] <ivoks> ian__: then you have to apt-get them
[05:48] <ian__> choubaka: in canon..website..
[05:48] <ivoks> ian__: you don't need rpm package
[05:48] <Triffid_Hunter> that site's awesome.. they actually have a link to a howto that works for my printer now :D
[05:48] <lzq> beagle
[05:48] <ian__> ivoks: ok how do i do that? i am very new in linux.. i want to shift..os..
[05:49] <ian__> win to linux..hope im sucessful.
[05:49] <ivoks> ian__: sudo apt-get install cupsys-driver-gimpprint cupsomatic-ppd foomatic-filters-ppds
[05:49] <Triffid_Hunter> ian__: as long as you keep trying, you're in the process of succeeding. to fail is solely to give up.
[05:49] <benkong2> I am installing proftp should I choose inetd or standalone and what's the difference?
[05:49] <josh42> ian__: Good luck; there are more than enough howtos and journals of people that did it :)
[05:50] <ian__> josh42: thanks.. :)
[05:50] <ian__> ivoks: there is an error..where can i paste it?
[05:51] <ivoks> nowhere
[05:51] <ivoks> :)
[05:51] <ivoks> what it says>
[05:51] <ian__> :)
[05:51] <ian__> Reading package lists... Done
[05:51] <ian__> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:51] <ian__> cupsys-driver-gimpprint is already the newest version.
[05:51] <ian__> Package cupsomatic-ppd is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:51] <ian__> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[05:51] <ian__> is only available from another source
[05:51] <ian__> However the following packages replace it:
[05:51] <ian__>   foomatic-filters foomatic-filters-ppds
[05:51] <ian__> E: Package cupsomatic-ppd has no installation candidate
[05:52] <ian__> ivoks: what does it means? :(
[05:52] <ivoks> so, what's your problem? you can't read or what?
[05:52] <goldfish> hmmmm
[05:52] <lms> AirWays: it's swedish, I can translate most of it (I'm danish)
[05:52] <djp> Amaranth: yeah thanks. i have tried that emu but it does not work with a couple of roms that i want to run. gens does however.
[05:53] <lms> AirWays, you need to install libapache-mod-php4
[05:53] <ivoks> ian__: just remove cupsys-driver-gimpprint from the list
[05:53] <Amaranth> djp: ./configure && make && sudo make install
[05:53] <Triffid_Hunter> ian__: it means there's a problem with the package tree, but apt has figured it out automagically by the look of it
[05:53] <Amaranth> djp: if ./configure says it's missing something search for it in synaptic and install the -dev version
[05:54] <ian__> triffidhunter..thanks.. :)
[05:54] <ian__> ivoks: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 20 not upgraded.
[05:54] <ian__> ivoks: no updates..needed..:(
[05:55] <djp> Amaranth: thanks
[05:55] <urb85> hello people
[05:55] <LazySod> "beat your wife every day, if you don't know why, she does..." - ?
[05:55] <nickrud> ian__, error means is that cupsomatic, the old method for configuring printers, has been replaced by foomatic
[05:55] <nickrud> get the two packages that replaces it
[05:55] <qatsi> now i have real information....what module do i have to load for my Conexant AMOM (thats my sound card) so it can work????.....any place where i can find a list of drivers or anything ?
[05:55] <ian__> nickrud: ok.. done.. but 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 20 not upgraded.
[05:56] <makaveli> i need to know how to assign a command line argument to a keybinding
[05:56] <ian__> nickrud: it mean..there is no update needed..
[05:56] <ian__> nickrud: but when i look at the list of driver availble my printer is not listed..
[05:57] <josh42> ok, how do I install a .deb? I knew there was a simple command, but I have no idea
[05:57] <nickrud> ian__, then, you do need to go to linuxprinting.org, it will have the latest info about your printer
[05:57] <nickrud> ian__, apt-cache policy foomatic-filters-ppd will tell you the state of that package
[05:57] <snowblink> josh42, man dpkg
[05:57] <ivoks> ian__: and no canon? :)
[05:57] <urb85> Guys I have got a lil prob with Ubuntu Update Manager, why all the time I start it up it shows me "lixvidcore4, mplayer and realplayer" cannot be updated
[05:57] <makaveli>  i need to know how to assign a command line argument to a keybinding
[05:57] <makaveli>  i need to know how to assign a command line argument to a keybinding
[05:58] <josh42> snowblink: thanks :)
[05:58] <ian__> ivoks: there is a canon..but the my model printer..is not there..
[05:58] <ian__> nickrud: i have found one.. but its an rpm..
[05:58] <ivoks> what canon is that?
[05:58] <ivoks> don't use rpm
[05:59] <qatsi> somebody help poor newbe here !!.....i need to load the Conexant Audio Modem on Motherboard module so i can have any sound........plz help !
[05:59] <nickrud> ian__, look at linuxprinting, sometimes a 5140 printer will use a 5040 ppd
[05:59] <ivoks> ian__: what model?
[05:59] <ian__> my printer is Canon Laser Shot Lbp 1120..
[05:59] <ian__> i have tested the lbp 1000..but does not work..
[06:00] <ivoks> ok
[06:00] <urb85> Guys I have got a lil prob with Ubuntu Update Manager, why all the time I start it up it shows me "lixvidcore4, mplayer and realplayer" cannot be updated
[06:00] <abarbaccia> hey all - ubuntu keeps setting dma on my cdrom drive to off - how cna i set it to always stay on?
[06:01] <nickrud> urb85, you have marillat packages of those?
[06:01] <urb85> nickrud, marillat? Sorry what's that?
[06:01] <Seveas> urb85, stop using non-official repositories if you do not want this to happen...
[06:02] <urb85> Seveas, but what can I use instead of mplayer to see movies on the webbrowser??
[06:02] <Seveas> urb85, mplayer can be found in the ubuntu repositories
[06:03] <ian__> ivoks: what can u recommend?
[06:03] <kzm> anybody get Ubuntu to work with Prism54 wifi?
[06:03] <urb85> Seveas, hmmm, its still showing
[06:03] <abarbaccia> kzm, i thought that was native support
[06:03] <martii> hi
[06:03] <mattlins> When trying to install Netbeans 4.1 I get the following error : "current locale is not supported in X11, locale is set to CX locale  modifiers are not supported, using defaultThe installer is unable to run in gra phical mode."  Anybody know how to resolve this?
[06:03] <LazySod> does ubuntu include a developers package of  openssl?
[06:04] <padlefot_> my ubuntu PC doesnt want to let me transfer files in my local network at more than 140kbps downstream, but it works just fine upstream.. anyone?
[06:04] <martii> there is a problem with RAID and /dev
[06:04] <josh42> install from source= ./configure;make;make install , right?
[06:04] <martii> it seems that /dev/md0 is not created by udev
[06:04] <kzm> abarbaccia, probably in 2.6 kernel.  But I've had trouble getting it to work properly with an old debian, so I wondered if Ubuntu would be a better bet.
[06:04] <Triffid_Hunter> help, my serial port won't go slower than 115200 baud.. setserial /dev/ttyS0 baud_base 9600 spd_cust divisor 4 (which is sposed to set it to 1200) doesn't do anything.. any ideas what i should try next?
[06:04] <kzm> So I'm curious to hear other exps before I dl the CD
[06:05] <Seveas> LazySod, yes
[06:05] <abarbaccia> kzm, i am almost positive it is completely supported nativly - no issues - just go - it's what ive heard and i think my friend uses it successfully with no config or anything
[06:05] <LazySod> great seveas
[06:05] <Seveas> josh42, usually
[06:05] <josh42> Sevas; tx
[06:05] <ivoks> ian__: no info about that printer anywhere in the world :)
[06:06] <josh42> *Seveas, sorry :)
[06:06] <nickrud> I thought is was just me
[06:06] <ian__> ivoks: :(
[06:06] <ian__> ivoks: so cannot installed this one?
[06:06] <ian__> ivoks: i have found.. this one.. http://software.canon-europe.com/software/canon_capt_printer_driver_for_linuxs21386.asp
[06:07] <ian__> ivoks: but its rpm..
[06:07] <kuzman> i receintly moved my laptop from gentoo to ubuntu and haven't been able to get my wifi working
[06:07] <goldfish> use alien to convert i
[06:07] <goldfish> t
[06:07] <kuzman> i use the madwifi driver - anybody have experience with it?
[06:08] <Seveas> kuzman, these words come to you via madwifi :)
[06:08] <nickrud> urb85, you can use synaptic Package-Force Version to select the ubuntu mplayer
[06:08] <urb85> nickrud, thanks will try
[06:08] <difeta> anybody know of a music store like itunes that will run in linux?
[06:08] <ivoks> ian__: i don't think you have 12...whatever in here
[06:08] <kuzman> no - i have a builtin ethernet on my laptop as well
[06:09] <josh42> difeta; http://www.legaltorrents.com/index.htm :)
[06:09] <kuzman> Seveas: i believe i have everything setup properly but it seems like it is unable to use dhcp to get an ip, etc.
[06:09] <Seveas> kuzman, i think you misunderstood what i said. I meant that i have a madwifi on my laptop
[06:09] <ian__> ivoks: what do you mean?
[06:09] <cert> hei people i am new to linux
[06:09] <Seveas> kuzman, are you doing it via the command line interface or the GUI?
[06:09] <kuzman> Seveas: ok - i'm a little slow today
[06:09] <cert> so..
[06:09] <teknoprep> is madwifi still not working fully or did they finish it
[06:09] <cert> at least to ubuntu
[06:09] <Andril> hello all
[06:10] <kuzman> Seveas: i have tried both
[06:10] <cert> has anyone upgraded their kernel
[06:10] <cert> ??
[06:10] <teknoprep> no never
[06:10] <cert> 2.6.11
[06:10] <cert> ??
[06:10] <Seveas> kuzman, do you use encryption?
[06:10] <kuzman> no
[06:10] <Seveas> 2.6.11 is not supported and broken
[06:10] <Seveas> kuzman, and does iwconfig essid associate you with the accesspoint?
[06:10] <cert> ah i see... that explains my sound driver
[06:10] <kuzman> yes
[06:10] <cert> also the pen drive..
[06:10] <Andril> Does anyone know how i can control my domain like DNS2GO?
[06:10] <cert> Seveas thanks for your help...
[06:11] <kuzman> Seveas: but my access point is FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
[06:11] <teknoprep> i am sitll using 2.6.10-5-686-smp
[06:11] <Seveas> kuzman, that means it did not associate properly
[06:11] <Seveas> have you run ifconfig ath0 up before trying to associate?
[06:11] <teknoprep> kuzman, you using a WEP key
[06:11] <kuzman> teknoprep: not using WEP
[06:11] <martii> it seems that /dev/md0 is not created by udev
[06:12] <ivoks> ian__: i don't thnik this driver will help you
[06:12] <kuzman> Seveas: i believe i tried to associate it first
[06:12] <teknoprep> kuzman, add your device to /etc/network/interfaces .. then do ifup <your wlan car>
[06:12] <Andril> Does Ubuntu have a app like DNS2Go?
[06:12] <ian__> ivoks: why?
[06:12] <Seveas> Andril, if dns2go is  a domain name server, yes, there is bind9
[06:12] <padlefot_> my ubuntu PC doesnt want to let me transfer files in my local network at more than 140kbps downstream, but it works just fine upstream.. anyone?
[06:13] <ian__> ivoks: its the linux driver for my printer..what it says..in the site..
[06:13] <kuzman> teknoprep: it is already in interfaces
[06:13] <Seveas> kuzman try ifconfig ath0 up before associating
[06:13] <ian__> ivoks: why? :(
[06:13] <Andril> Seveas, coo l you are always on top of things - thanks again
[06:13] <Seveas> does iwlist scan show your accesspoint?
[06:13] <teknoprep> kuzman, then do .. ifup eth#
[06:13] <ivoks> ian__: this is general canon driver
[06:14] <ivoks> ian__: i bet they are even worse then linux native :)
[06:14] <Andril> Seveas, is it self explanitory?
[06:14] <nickrud> ian__, putting an rpm, even if turned into a deb, can break your system. He doesn't want to be responsible
[06:14] <Seveas> teknoprep, that did not work, so i am trying to get some debugging info :)
[06:14] <nickrud> neither do I
[06:14] <Seveas> Andril, not quite, bind9 is quite a complex piece of software
[06:14] <Seveas> but it has a very nice manual :)
[06:14] <mattlins> When trying to install Netbeans 4.1 I get the following error : "current locale is not supported in X11, locale is set to CX locale  modifiers are not supported, using defaultThe installer is unable to run in gra phical mode."  Anybody know how to resolve this?
[06:15] <ian__> nickrud,ivok: ic..
[06:15] <ian__> nickrud,ivok: so there is now way i can install this printer?
[06:16] <Seveas> kuzman, does iwlist scan show your accesspoint?
[06:16] <Burgundavia> ian__, just plug it in
[06:16] <phenotype> anyone suggest a music player for nix that will play wma, apple lossless and mp3 formats?
[06:16] <kuzman> Seveas: one second - it is trying to run DHCPDISCOVER now
[06:16] <Burgundavia> ian__,  then go system-->admin-->printing
[06:16] <Seveas> ok
[06:16] <LazySod> whch rep* is openssl-dev on... i cant find i on the three presets with all four sections selected...
[06:17] <kuzman> Seveas: I get "No scan results"
[06:17] <Andril> Seveas, I want to dismantele my M$oft machines and switch my servers to Ubuntu
[06:17] <CrustyPunk> Um... I'm having a problem again.
[06:17] <ian__> burgundavia: yes i have..but after i have installed ..and tries to print.. it does not print..ideas?
[06:17] <ivoks> ian__: you have to find out how does your printer work
[06:17] <cert> seems i have to wait till the new kernel is up before i could get my sd card reader on my laptop to work
[06:17] <phenotype> anyone suggest a music player for linux that plays apple lossless, wma and mp3
[06:17] <Seveas> LazySod, it's libssl-dev
[06:17] <Burgundavia> ian__, type and model?
[06:17] <ivoks> ian__: i'm sure it's just some version of standard ones
[06:17] <josh42> any chance anyone can tell me how I change the menu behavior in gnome from instant-out to a delay or manual clicking? (like, the applications menu)
[06:17] <Seveas> kuzman, and you are sure the accesspoint is in range?
[06:17] <LazySod> thanx Seveas...
[06:17] <LazySod> sry..
[06:18] <CrustyPunk> Any of you remember my resolution problem and how eventually X Server borked on me last night? =x
[06:18] <cert> phenotype : http://ubuntuguide.org/
[06:18] <cert> here...
[06:18] <kuzman> It is about 2 feet away from the laptop currently
[06:18] <phenotype> thx
[06:18] <Seveas> kuzman, sounds reasonable
[06:18] <cert> this a good guide for beginners
[06:18] <josh42> kuzman; try a wireless sniffer app, see if it picks up anything
[06:18] <ian__> ivoks: i have tried other driver listed in the system.. i have tried to test print..  it just says printing 1 jobs...
[06:18] <ian__> but no..printing in the printer..
[06:19] <Seveas> kuzman, most laptops have some button to enable/disable wireless. Are you sure it is on?
[06:19] <cert> just curious.. do anyone know a good bluetooth software for gnome?
[06:19] <Seveas> cert, there is gnome-bluetooth and bluez
[06:19] <ivoks> ian__: that's not PS3 printer?
[06:19] <kuzman> Seveas: I don't believe this laptop has such a button
[06:19] <Seveas> but bluetooth is an underdeveloped area
[06:20] <Seveas> kuzman, is it a builtin card?
[06:20] <kuzman> Seveas: yes
[06:20] <Seveas> which model laptop?
[06:20] <kuzman> Seveas: it is using the Atheros card
[06:20] <kuzman> It is a Toshiba A75-2112
[06:20] <ivoks> kuzman: all laptops have that button
[06:21] <ian__> ivoks: what do u mean? ps3 printer?
[06:21] <ivoks> ian__: is it a postscript printer?
[06:21] <kuzman> ivoks: then I do not see it - perhaps it is one of the function keys
[06:22] <ivoks> kuzman: yes, it's function key
[06:23] <ivoks> for example, mine is f+f2
[06:23] <urb85> nickrud, how and where do u find synaptic Package-Force?
[06:23] <kikdadog> hi all, having problems burning cd's tried all sorts of different programs. But still give me the same result....the computer locks up.
[06:24] <mattlins> How do I change my locale?
[06:25] <nickrud> urb85, select mplayer in the package brower window, then on the menu bar, Package->Force Version. There should be two
[06:25] <kikdadog> the blank cd is auto recognised
[06:25] <urb85> nickrud, thanks
[06:25] <Seveas> kuzman, i have no idea anymore. If the basic iwlist scan gives back nothing, i don't know what to do
[06:25] <Seveas> maybe you can find something on google
[06:25] <ian__> ivoks: i dont know..
[06:25] <Seveas> mattlins, you can set it in /etc/environment
[06:26] <ivoks> ian__: was it expensive printer? :)
[06:26] <kuzman> Seveas: np - thanks for your help
[06:26] <ian__> ivoks: i thinks so.. :) why?
[06:26] <ivoks> ian__: if it was, then sure it can do PS
[06:27] <ian__> ivoks: so what can you recommend.. ? if its ps? :)
[06:27] <St0n3-C0l> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[06:27] <ivoks> ian__: set up your printer as generic(raw|ps)
[06:27] <St0n3-C0l> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[06:27] <St0n3-C0l> See `config.log' for more details. => Why I Get This when I do './configure'
[06:27] <ivoks> ian__: ps of course
[06:27] <bob2> St0n3-C0l: install build-essential
[06:27] <bob2> St0n3-C0l: this is in the FAQ
[06:27] <Seveas> St0n3-C0l, aptitude install build-essential
[06:27] <caonex> if i want to update from warty to hoary i just change lines in sources.list , then apt-get update then apt-get upgrade right?
[06:27] <Seveas> wb bob2
[06:27] <linuxboy> caonex: yip
[06:27] <Seveas> caonex: One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:28] <bob2> cerius: dist-upgrade, or better still, use aptitude
[06:28] <St0n3-C0l> oh
[06:28] <bob2> cerius: also wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[06:28] <ivoks> bob2: facist salutes you :)
[06:28] <IIIEars> Seveas - nice
[06:28] <nickrud> ian__, ivoks the only thing I could find that's relevant is http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:mibTd0ZkA6kJ:linuxprinting.org/forums.cgi%3Fgroup%3Dlinuxprinting.canon.general%3Barticle%3D1858+LaserShot+LBP-1120+debian&hl=en&client=firefox
[06:28] <benkong2> any problem with kopete and msn in ubuntu? I keep getting wrong password error but I know its correct
[06:29] <St0n3-C0l> thanks guys
[06:29] <caonex> Seveas, thanks i was just going to do apt-get upgrade...what is the difference anywyas?
[06:29] <littleworm> how do i make my regular user with super-user privileges?
[06:29] <St0n3-C0l> well...why im having problems with xchat 2.4.3 which is in backports
[06:29] <bob2> littleworm: add them to /etc/sudoers
[06:29] <urb85> nickrude, hmm this is what happen: mplayer-386:
[06:29] <urb85>  Depends: libarts (>=4:2.2.2-1) but it is not installable or
[06:29] <urb85>  	libarts-alsa (>=4:2.2.2-1) but it is not installable
[06:29] <urb85>  Depends: libavcodeccvs but it is not going to be installed
[06:29] <urb85>  Depends: libdvdread2  but it is not installable
[06:29] <urb85>  Depends: libpostproc0 but it is not going to be installed
[06:29] <St0n3-C0l> After clicking on Connect button.. nothing happens and xchat quits
[06:29] <Seveas> apt-get upgrade will never install new packages or remove packages as a side-effect of upgradein
[06:29] <ian__> ivoks: how do i do that? please excuse my ignorance..
[06:29] <bob2> St0n3-C0l: talk to the backports people, it's their problem
[06:29] <kikdadog> anybody have anyidea's on what the heck i have buggered up with this cd burner
[06:30] <Seveas> dist-upgrade will
[06:30] <bob2> caonex: upgrade won't finish the upgrade properly
[06:30] <Seveas> urb85, PLEAS DON'T paste in here!
[06:30] <urb85> Seveas, ops I am sorry
[06:30] <bob2> caonex: for instance, you won't get x.org if you use upgrade, because of what Seveas said
[06:30] <ubuntu> Q: where do I find my NTFS drives? I expected them in mnt?
[06:30] <ivoks> ian__: ok, this look good
[06:30] <littleworm> can i install "Arial" font?
[06:30] <bob2> ubuntu: they are not mounted automatically
[06:30] <Seveas> ubuntu, you have to mount them yourseld
[06:30] <bob2> littleworm: yes, install the msttcorefonts package
[06:30] <St0n3-C0l> bob2: I don't think so...bcoz this problem is on my very distro
[06:30] <LazySod> is there a nice guide how to stop using gnome and start using something like Xfce ? (for ubuntu users)
[06:31] <nickrud> urb85, your package list is full of unofficial sources, you need to do some surgery :)
[06:31] <St0n3-C0l> Debian, ArchLinux and Ubuntu
[06:31] <St0n3-C0l> 3 of them same problem
[06:31] <bob2> littleworm: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto, it's in the multiverse repository
[06:31] <ubuntu> bob2, is there an assistent to do so?
[06:31] <ian__> ivoks,nickrud: that the one i have downloaded.. its an rpm..
[06:31] <Seveas> LazySod, sudo aptitude install xfce4 debfoster
[06:31] <littleworm> thx
[06:31] <Seveas> and use debfoster to remove gnome
[06:31] <bob2> St0n3-C0l: I don't know what that means, but if you're having a problem a package from "backports", talk to them
[06:31] <ivoks> ian__: alien <file>
[06:31] <urb85> nickrud, ohhh thanks for that :P but how?
[06:31] <bob2> St0n3-C0l: presumably they're on the forums
[06:31] <bob2> ubuntu: no\
[06:31] <Seveas> ubuntu, there is a howto on the wiki
[06:31] <ivoks> ivoks: don't install deb you get, just alien it
[06:31] <LazySod> Seveas, is that a guide?
[06:31] <ian__> ivoks,nickrud: with a tarball..
[06:31] <ubuntu> my god, that not what I expected form ubuntu :/
[06:32] <Seveas> LazySod, no, but defoster is very nice in pruning metapackages
[06:32] <ivoks> ian__: extract that tarball, did you allready?
[06:32] <St0n3-C0l> yes :)
[06:32] <St0n3-C0l> that I know:P
[06:32] <bob2> ubuntu: yes, you need to edit one config file
[06:32] <bob2> it is a shame
[06:32] <St0n3-C0l> but thanks :)
[06:32] <St0n3-C0l> im now trying to find my solution in #Xchat
[06:32] <bob2> and will hopefully be fixed one day
[06:32] <AirWays> How I can set "name" for my Ubuntu Server, that "name" is now that servers host
[06:32] <ian__> ivoks: wait ..let me see...
[06:32] <bob2> but is profoundly not a big deal
[06:32] <Seveas> ubuntu, if you know the name of your ntfs partition, we'll guide you
[06:32] <LazySod> ok, i'll try it... is it easy to reset back to gnome? (.xninitric?)
[06:32] <Seveas> LazySod, not if you remove gnome :)
[06:32] <St0n3-C0l> i was compiling xchat manually and cpp fault came
[06:33] <bob2> LazySod: gdm will ask you
[06:33] <Seveas> but if you just install xfce4, you can choose on login
[06:33] <LazySod> ok thx!
[06:33] <caonex> Seveas, do i have to close X ?
[06:33] <bob2> AirWays: /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname
[06:33] <nickrud> ian__, unless someone tells you differently, close synaptic, replace your sources list with http://pastebin.com/288853, restart synaptic, update your package list, then delete everything in obsolete or local packages
[06:33] <ubuntu> Seveas, I'd be able to follow your instructions, but I wanted to recommend this distri to other people that might find this too geeky...I need a disrto that finds the drives out of the box...
[06:33] <bob2> AirWays: possibly other places, depending on what you have installed already
[06:33] <LazySod> will i still be able to use gnomes tools?
[06:33] <caonex> Seveas, you know while doing the dist-upg
[06:33] <Seveas> caonex, you will have to reboot at a certain point
[06:34] <nickrud> ian__, sorry, that was for urb85
[06:34] <caonex> ok...good
[06:34] <Seveas> ubuntu, afaik either mepis or knoppix do this automagically
[06:34] <cert> thanks a lot people for your help..
[06:34] <cert> :)
[06:34] <ubuntu> I use kanotix
[06:34] <nickrud> urb85, you may want to keep w32codecs if you already have it
[06:34] <Seveas> LazySod, if you don't remove them: yes
[06:34] <bob2> you don't need to reboot to upgrade to hoary
[06:34] <ubuntu> I just thought bvge ubuntu a try
[06:34] <rburton> anyone who why my dlink dwl-g650+ refuses to work in hoary?
[06:34] <Seveas> bob2, new kernel, xorg...
[06:34] <Seveas> i'd say a reboot is OK :)
[06:34] <bob2> at some point you can reboot to use the new kernel, but warty is still getting security updates
[06:35] <bob2> it's ok, but people shouldn't think it's neccessary
[06:35] <josh42> Last chance ;) : any chance anyone can tell me how I change the menu behavior in gnome from instant-out to a delay or manual clicking? (like, the applications menu)
[06:35] <St0n3-C0l> I think GNOME System Tools are in System => Administration
[06:35] <urb85> nickrud, oh wow well I used the ones found in ubuntuguide.org
[06:35] <bob2> josh42: ask on the user list
[06:35] <nickrud> urb85, there are a lot of strange sources.list out there
[06:35] <bob2> I really doubt it's possible, tho
[06:35] <ubuntu> Seveas, do you know if that is on top of the to do list?
[06:35] <josh42> bob2; but that seems so.. basic to be looked over
[06:35] <urb85> nickrud, :) thanks for your help, so this should be the only one I should use then?
[06:36] <Seveas> ubuntu, i don't know but i guess it's not too low-priority :)
[06:36] <bob2> josh42: I have never seen anyone ask in here how to change that, ever
[06:36] <nickrud> urb85, for a consistent machine, stay away from unofficial stuff, unless a 'big' guy points you at it :)
[06:36] <Stealth890> hey guys, i finally got WPA working on ubuntu :D
[06:36] <Seveas> Stealth890, nice!
[06:36] <josh42> bob2; lol; I am constantly my own niche market
[06:36] <Stealth890> 1 problem tho, no internet ^_^
[06:37] <Stealth890> but the network is working
[06:37] <Stealth890> which confuses me
[06:37] <IIIEars> Where do i find the Hoary Hedgehog gpg fingerprint signature? - reset defaults in Synaptic repositories didn't do it.
[06:37] <urb85> nickrud, eheh I see, thanks I am gonna try it now!
[06:37] <josh42> Stealth890; Congrats :) Have you tried ping/ping by ip?
[06:37] <Stealth890> ping my network machines or a website?
[06:37] <josh42> external
[06:38] <IIIEars> google - led me to Breezy.
[06:38] <ivoks> ian__: alive?
[06:38] <Stealth890> *tries "ing google.com"
[06:38] <Stealth890> *ping
[06:38] <Stealth890> unknown host
[06:38] <St0n3-C0l> kik
[06:38] <josh42> Ok, try ping 64.233.167.99
[06:38] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[06:39] <kikdadog> quick question, why when i try to eject a blank cd from the drive(failed attempt at burning again), it wont go away
[06:39] <Stealth890> works
[06:39] <Stealth890> 64 bytes blabla
[06:39] <Stealth890> 60ish ms
[06:39] <Seveas> Stealth890, dns problems :)
[06:39] <Stealth890> hmmm
[06:39] <St0n3-C0l> well..guys I heard a 15year old kid developed a user-friendly GNU/Linux Distribution
[06:39] <ian__> ivoks: yup..finish..extract the tarbals..
[06:39] <josh42> Bingo bango
[06:39] <Stealth890> how wouldi  fix it?
[06:39] <St0n3-C0l> without any help of Computer Institute
[06:39] <ian__> ivoks: what should we do? :)
[06:40] <St0n3-C0l> eh
[06:40] <josh42> Stealth: Hardcode a dns server
[06:40] <Stealth890> o_O
[06:40] <ian__> ivoks: there are 3 directory ...
[06:40] <IIIEars> lol
[06:40] <josh42> If you really need one; hardcode the router IP as the DNS
[06:41] <ian__> ivoks: there are 3 folders ... cndrvcups-capt-1.00, cndrvcups-common-1.00, cndrvcups-lips4-1.00
[06:41] <Stealth890> i guess i would need one cuz then i cant go online?
[06:41] <ian__> ivoks: what shall i do...
[06:41] <josh42> Stealth: type that same IP into a browser ;)
[06:41] <Stealth890> just did, went to google's page
[06:41] <josh42> But to fix it: System menu > administration > networking
[06:41] <josh42> then: DNS > add your router IP
[06:42] <ivoks> ian__: search for .PPT pr .ppt files
[06:42] <Stealth890> hmm...well im using Kubuntu on the laptop
[06:42] <Stealth890> lemme find that setting
[06:42] <littleworm> there is no /etc/sudoers dir
[06:42] <josh42> KDE: doh
[06:42] <qatsi> plz help me with my sound card !!!!!! ....i have the Volume meter showing some volume in here, but i cant hear anything and all my volumes are ok....what should i do ?
[06:43] <IIIEars> littleworm - there is a sudoers file enable view hidden files.
[06:43] <josh42> qatsi: max all the volumes, just in case (remember to turn it down after)
[06:43] <rburton> qatsi: you probably need to unmute the master
[06:43] <qatsi> rburton done that....
[06:44] <littleworm> it's a file
[06:44] <littleworm> not a dir
[06:44] <ivoks> ian__: find . -iname *.ppt
[06:44] <ivoks> ian__: can't be that hard :)
[06:44] <kikdadog> help with my cd burner, why wont this thing burn????
[06:45] <ivoks> cd /usr/src
[06:45] <St0n3-C0l> what are you using?
[06:45] <qatsi> plz help me with the sound :'(
[06:45] <littleworm> so how do i make my user a super user?
[06:45] <IIIEars> Yes - you can give other users the ability to use sudo or even (Ack) modify it for passwordless log-in to gnome.
[06:45] <kikdadog> all of the programs crapped out, has to be a setting in the system
[06:45] <Seveas> littleworm: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:45] <littleworm> i read it
[06:45] <kikdadog> tried graveman,gnomebaker
[06:45] <Seveas> so simply use sudo littleworm
[06:45] <stuNNed> kikdadog: yes, graveman runs fine here
[06:46] <St0n3-C0l> hmm
[06:46] <kikdadog> but not here thats the prob
[06:46] <ian__> ivoks: i cannot find one.. only ppd.. make files .c etc.. but no ppt pr PPT..
[06:46] <kikdadog> none work
[06:46] <qatsi> uhmm, no will to help noob with sound :(
[06:46] <littleworm> i'll explaine the problem
[06:46] <ivoks> ian__: ppd right, no ppt :)
[06:46] <ivoks> ian__: my bad :)
[06:46] <ian__> ivoks: yes..ppd..
[06:47] <ian__> ivoks: is that good? :)
[06:47] <ivoks> ian__: well... copying that ppd's should be ok, but... sec...
[06:47] <littleworm> i used mount to mount a windows partiton and copied a file from there
[06:47] <kikdadog> it recognises my hardware
[06:47] <littleworm> now i can't access the file
[06:47] <caonex> Seveas, hoary uses lilo?
[06:47] <Latis-WorX> how do I restart samba?
[06:47] <linukso> Latis-WorX: sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[06:47] <Seveas> caonex, by default ubuntu uses grub
[06:47] <Seveas> but lilo is possible
[06:48] <Stealth890> um, whats my dns server?
[06:48] <Stealth890> my router?
[06:48] <jeroen_> Is there an easy way to search for all restricted packages that you have installed?
[06:48] <urb85> nickrud, hmm now Synaptic gives me an error...
[06:48] <ian__> ivoks: where should i copy the ppd ? :)
[06:48] <jeroen_> Stealth890, your router is probably your gateway
[06:48] <IIIEars> littleworm - ownership/permissions are okay for that file?
[06:48] <caonex> Seveas, right now i have grub, and is asking me something about initrd, it says that i need to make sure it accepts initrd, this is already active since i am using an initrd, so just do continue?
[06:48] <St0n3-C0l> Everything is possible in Linux :P
[06:48] <nickrud> urb85, not suprising :)
[06:48] <Stealth890> yea it is, under default gateway it has the router ip
[06:48] <Latis-WorX> and, how do I make all users have access to my ntfsdrive? (/mnt/d_drive)
[06:48] <Stealth890> but dns seems to be different
[06:48] <jeroen_> Stealth890, a DNS server has info on domain names, and their IP adresses
[06:48] <Latis-WorX> atm only root has it
[06:48] <Seveas> caonex, what do you mean?
[06:49] <qatsi> Seveas you seem to know Ubuntu well....how can i get my sound working ?.......i have volume and all but i dont have sound....:S
[06:49] <jeroen_> Stealth890, like "example.com has the ip 1.2.3.4"
[06:49] <littleworm> ownership belongs to root
[06:49] <Seveas> Latis-WorX, very simple, add umask=0000 to the options field of that drive in /etc/fstab
[06:49] <urb85> nickrud, oh actaully I forgot to upgrade the list, I have just done it and see what happen again
[06:49] <nickrud> urb85, lol
[06:49] <josh42> Stealth890: your router will act like a DNS server for you (though it's not explicitly designed to)
[06:49] <Seveas> qatsi, if i knew that, i would have told you...
[06:49] <ivoks> ian__: sec..
[06:49] <Stealth890> i get that, but i need to enter something into the kde control center's network center...
[06:49] <ian__> ivoks: ok
[06:49] <Latis-WorX> Seveas, cant I use chmod?
[06:49] <Stealth890> oh...
[06:49] <Seveas> Latis-WorX, no
[06:49] <Latis-WorX> ok
[06:49] <Stealth890> ill try the router ip than
[06:50] <Seveas> ntfs does know nothing about permissions
[06:50] <rburton> you can't chmod a ntfs filesystem as its read only
[06:50] <urb85> nickrud, yeeee it stopped giving me that error :) u great
[06:50] <Seveas> the ntfs driver has to fake them
[06:50] <St0n3-C0l> hey..is there anyway to stop checking ntp.ubuntulinux.org for time!
[06:50] <ivoks> ian__: gzip them
[06:50] <ivoks> ian__: gzip *.ppd
[06:50] <jeroen_> How can I search for restricted packages installed?
[06:50] <St0n3-C0l> on bootup
[06:50] <rburton> and has a permission system *way* beyond POSIX
[06:50] <nickrud> urb85, no, apt is great ;)
[06:50] <qatsi> plz, where can i find help to get my sound card working ?
[06:50] <caonex> Seveas, could i private message you so you can see the message? i do not want to flood
[06:50] <ian__> ivoks: ok.. then...
[06:50] <Seveas> St0n3-C0l, yes, chmod -x /etc/init.d/ntpdate
[06:50] <Stealth890> domain name?
[06:50] <rburton> St0n3-C0l: remove ntpdate?
[06:50] <Seveas> caonex, paste it on a ubuntu.pastebin.com
[06:50] <IIIEars> Seveas - wondered what user the file was copied to?
[06:50] <St0n3-C0l> aham
[06:50] <caonex> Seveas, i can do it line by line too.
[06:50] <r0d> does dhclient always give ipv6 address by default?
[06:50] <jeroen_> caonex, pastebin.com
[06:50] <josh42> Stealth: leave domain name blank
[06:50] <linukso> qatsi: shure you unmuted it?
[06:50] <bob2> r0d: the kernel does that
[06:51] <ivoks> ian__: rename them to Canon-BJC-XXXXX.ppd.gz, where XXXX is model number
[06:51] <jeroen_> hey, another jeroen! :p
[06:51] <Stealth890> k
[06:51] <makaveli> how would i kill a process in terminal using the process name?
[06:51] <Latis-WorX> Seveas, /dev/hda5       /mnt/d_drive    ntfs    umask=0000
[06:51] <bob2> ipv6 doesn't use the same dhcp protocol as ipv4
[06:51] <qatsi> linukso dubble checked my volumes, they are fine......
[06:51] <Latis-WorX> thats look ok?
[06:51] <bob2> makaveli: pkill name
[06:51] <jeroen__> how can i play MP3 file's?
[06:51] <r0d> bob2,  i think its messing up my nic's
[06:51] <Seveas> Latis-WorX, almost
[06:51] <makaveli> thak you
[06:51] <makaveli> thank
[06:51] <Latis-WorX> Seveas, whats wrong then? :)
[06:51] <Seveas>  /dev/hda5       /mnt/d_drive    ntfs    umask=0000   0  0
[06:51] <linukso> qatsi: shure you user has got access to the soundcard?
[06:51] <bob2> r0d: I really doubt it.  why do you think that?
[06:51] <Seveas> you missed the 2 zeroes
[06:51] <Stealth890> i add my router ip as a domain name server and it says to write an alias first? o_O
[06:51] <stuNNed> Seveas: what does the umask=0000 do?
[06:51] <Stealth890> but then it adds it to the list anyway
[06:51] <Stealth890> apply
[06:51] <jeroen_> jeroen__, http://http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:51] <Stealth890> reloading network
[06:52] <Latis-WorX> Seveas, thx, do I have to restart anything?
[06:52] <rburton> stuNNed: "man mount"
[06:52] <Seveas> stuNNed, it makes it r/w to everybody (the kernel overrides the w, since it is ntfs)
[06:52] <qatsi>  jeroen__ i know how to :) .....open the Synaptic Mannager.....and install the gstreamer0.8-mad package ...then restart the audio aplication and thats it
[06:52] <Stealth890> nothin
[06:52] <linukso> qatsi: id "your_user" should return audio somewhere in there...
[06:52] <r0d> bob2,  when i do dhclient, it gives me ipv6/ipv4 compliant ipaddress. and i cant use internet or ping. i use to use dhcpcd and nothing was wrong
[06:52] <Seveas> Latis-WorX, no
[06:52] <Latis-WorX> ok, thx mate
[06:52] <Seveas> just sudo umount /dev/hda5 && sudo mount -a
[06:52] <caonex> Seveas, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/289127
[06:52] <qatsi> linukso ok, ill try...
[06:52] <Stealth890> could not to connect to host
[06:52] <jeroen__> it try
[06:52] <Stealth890> says konqueror
[06:52] <jeroen_> Noone knows how to search for restricted packages??
[06:52] <Stealth890> if u use synaptic it should be a filter?
[06:52] <St0n3-C0l> okY..WHERE do i put bash scripts to run in start like in Fedora there's a folder '/etc/profile' or '/etc/profile.d'
[06:53] <r0d> bob2,  i have 3 nics. two wireless one ethernet. ethernet works fine @ bootup. when dhclient happens. all hell breaks loose
[06:53] <nickrud> jeroen_, you can do it in aptitude, anyway
[06:53] <qatsi> linukso it says audio
[06:53] <qatsi> 29(audio)
[06:53] <jeroen_> nickrud, cool.. is it straigh-forward?
[06:53] <Seveas> caonex, i have no experience with module-init-tools, sorry
[06:53] <jeroen__> it works thank you
[06:53] <bob2> r0d: I really really doubt it's to do with ipv6
[06:53] <urb85> nickrud, ohhh even Update manager stopped showing the error up now!!
[06:53] <qatsi> jeroen__: great
[06:54] <nickrud> jeroen_, I need to look, it's easy but I need my cheat sheet
[06:54] <caonex> Seveas, but right now i am using initrd in grub so is configure so there should not be a problem..
[06:54] <linukso> qatsi: ok, what program are you having problem playing sound with?
[06:54] <r0d> bob2, well how do i know its not conflicting w/ my router? I been on it for awhile
[06:54] <Seveas> caonex, i think you are right
[06:54] <r0d> bob2, nm. i'll just dl dhcpcd
[06:54] <ian__> ivoks: i did not get the last part..after i issued gzip *.PPD.. all the files are still there but all of them has addition .gz
[06:54] <jeroen_> nickrud, great; I run it in terminal and now f10 doesn't work
[06:54] <josh42> Stealth: Try this DNS then: 129.128.5.233
[06:54] <qatsi> linukso i dont have any sound, not even the gnome startup sound or anything........but for testing im using the rhythmbox :)
[06:54] <ivoks> ian__: that's good
[06:54] <ivoks> ian__: rename them to Canon-BJC-XXXXX.ppd.gz, where XXXX is model number
[06:55] <bob2> r0d: "conflicting with your router" doesn't mean anything
[06:55] <jeroen_> nickrud, oh wait it does; it's clickable :)
[06:55] <linukso> qatsi: you did see the small mute symbol in the mixer?
[06:55] <ian__> ivoks: all them will have the same file names?
[06:55] <cliebow> Seveas: after reboot i could adjust /etc/resolv.conf ..apt-get came out of its possessed state and is working..
[06:55] <ivoks> ian__: no... ok, forget rename
[06:55] <r0d> bob2,  not all routers are ipv6 compliant...
[06:56] <caonex> Seveas, thanks i chose to continue. i have alredy that image installed so i do not know why install it again...hehe thank again
[06:56] <urb85> nickrud, what's actually marillat anyway?
[06:56] <r0d> and i never used ipv6 till ubuntu
[06:56] <ivoks> ian__: copy them to /usr/share/ppd/Canon
[06:56] <ian__> ivoks: ok.. what will we do next? :)
[06:56] <qatsi> linukso wheres the mixer ??...i've unmuted everything....
[06:56] <bob2> r0d: yes, so they just ignore it
[06:56] <bob2> r0d: your machine is not trying to access the internet over ipv6
[06:56] <linukso> qatsi: applications->multimedia->mixer (I think...)
[06:57] <r0d> bob2,  ok. thx
[06:57] <jeroen__> my MP3 file will play in totem but i dont hear it
[06:57] <abarbaccia> hey all - i have a few questions
[06:57] <jeroen_> abarbaccia, just ask
[06:57] <Stealth890> darn it, nothing...
[06:57] <Stealth890> i think its kde doign sumthing
[06:57] <Latis-WorX> any1 familiar with samba config? :)
[06:57] <Stealth890> something about  you must put an alias first
[06:57] <holycow> Burgundavia, hey are you around?
[06:57] <Stealth890> but theres no option for that...
[06:57] <jeroen_> Latis-WorX, it's easy
[06:57] <Stealth890> it just asks for IP
[06:57] <bob2> Latis-WorX: just ask your question
[06:57] <qatsi> linukso  well, i was looking at the Volume Control...it says OSS Mixer, and i have everything correct, volumes are normal, and no mute stuff...
[06:57] <nickrud> jeroen_, I was mistaken, I guess, I think I'll file a wishlist bug
[06:58] <Latis-WorX> samba keeps asking for a password, but none of my accounts is accepted
[06:58] <linukso> qatsi: There is a volumemeter there to, if you get response in it when playing, then there has got to be something wrong with your hardware setup.... (check you cables...
[06:58] <holycow> Burgundavia, do you have the breezy linkage you posted for the goals for breeze from yesterday?
[06:58] <jeroen_> nickrud, oh, too bad :(
[06:58] <bob2> Latis-WorX: leave it blank
[06:58] <holycow> Burgundavia, my linkage is at home unfortunately
[06:58] <Latis-WorX> hmm, ok
[06:58] <jeroen_> nickrud, it'd be great if you'd do that
[06:58] <linukso> qatsi: try switching to the alsa mixer
[06:58] <linukso> qatsi: file-> change unit
[06:58] <jeroen__> my MP3 file will play in totem, but i dont hear a noise
[06:58] <qatsi> linukso its a laptop....but wait i found that i have 2 devices....one is the intell thing.....
[06:59] <qatsi> linukso ha, thats what i found :P
[06:59] <Latis-WorX> bob2, the "OK" button is deactivated when its blanc
[06:59] <Latis-WorX> blank*
[06:59] <ian__> ivoks: how do i do that..im new in linux..when i tried to drag it using file browse..permision denied..
[06:59] <bob2> Latis-WorX: I don't know what ok buttn you are talking about
[06:59] <linukso> qatsi: switch to alsa, and you should be getting somewhere....
[06:59] <Latis-WorX> in the win32 dialog
[06:59] <ian__> sorry again with my egnorance..
[06:59] <qatsi> linukso but again, i have everything going nice...except for the sound
[06:59] <nickrud> urb85, Christian Marillat is a very competent debian developer who hosts a lot of things too unfree for any distribution
[07:00] <linukso> qatsi: did you select the alsa mixer? And master is unmuted?
[07:00] <qatsi> linukso yes, im in alsa mixer, and everything is unmuted
[07:00] <ivoks> ian__: sudo cp *.ppd.gz /usr/share/ppd/Canon
[07:00] <Latis-WorX> bob2, the win32 dialog
[07:00] <josh42> If I install kde from Synaptic; is there a way to do it without changing anything about the gnome install?
[07:00] <Latis-WorX> bob2, passwordprompt dialog
[07:00] <bob2> ok, I dn't know anything about windows
[07:00] <jeroen_> josh42, it's no problem
[07:00] <qatsi> linukso im going to try with some headphones....
[07:00] <Latis-WorX> why answer a sambaquestion then :P
[07:00] <urb85> nickrud, thanks a lot :)
[07:01] <josh42> jeroen_; which package?
[07:01] <Latis-WorX> isnt samba mostly used to share with win? :)
[07:01] <nickrud> urb85, for a long time, his was the only site worth getting mplayer from, but now mplayer's free enough for distro's
[07:01] <bob2> Latis-WorX: I use samba to network my linux machines
[07:01] <jeroen_> josh42, you might want to prevent it from dumping links to packages in your gnome-panel though
[07:01] <qatsi> linukso the headphones made no difference
[07:01] <jeroen_> josh42, no, I don't now how to do that -- the package you will want to install is kubuntu-desktop
[07:01] <St0n3-C0l> josh42: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:01] <qatsi> linukso wait wait !! I HAVE SOUND !
[07:01] <linukso> qatsi: then I don't think I can help you... sorry
[07:02] <linukso> qatsi: ah
[07:02] <linukso> qatsi: great!
[07:02] <St0n3-C0l> Then on start of GDM, it'll ask u to choose KDE or GNOME
[07:02] <qatsi> linukso duuno what i did :s ajajajjajaja
[07:02] <qatsi> linukso thanx a lot :)
[07:02] <phillipc> what's the command that manages your symlinks to executables when you have multiple versions of hte executable, as is often the case with automake?
[07:02] <crazedcougar> hi
[07:02] <josh42> jeroen_; Thank you
[07:02] <bob2> phillipc: update-alternatives
[07:02] <qatsi> linukso it worked when i closed the mixer....
[07:02] <phillipc> bob2: thanks
[07:02] <qatsi> linukso well, thanx....c ya !!
[07:03] <crazedcougar> im having a problem with (i think) amd64 libraries and dri
[07:03] <jeroen_> josh42, if you select gdm as login manager during setup, nothing will mess up
[07:03] <crazedcougar> dri works great for tuxracer and screensaver, but with things like cedega it just falls apart!
[07:03] <jeroen_> josh42, when you want to run kde - after installation - log out, and log in with session as KDE
[07:03] <r0d> is their a command to check all running services? like an rc-update from gentoo?
[07:04] <josh42> jeroen_:Ok, perfect.. I kept getting worried about it saying it was going to install the gnome stuff when I did just the KDE packages
[07:04] <ian__> ivoks: done.. what do we do next? :)
[07:04] <ivoks> ian__: sudo pkill -HUP cupsd
[07:04] <bob2> r0d: "check" what?
[07:04] <josh42> jeroen_; is it going to ask me for gdm? or will I have to edit a conf file?
[07:04] <bob2> if they're running? I doubt gentoo does that.
[07:04] <r0d> bob2,  lol sorry i mean deamons
[07:04] <ian__> ivoks: done..
[07:05] <jeroen_> josh42, it will ask you
[07:05] <ivoks> ian__: now install your printer
[07:05] <bob2> r0d: yes, what do you want to check about them?
[07:05] <r0d>  /bob2, just got off a windows box from work.... :/
[07:05] <ivoks> ian__: your driver should be there
[07:05] <crazedcougar> where are amd64 dri libs?
[07:05] <r0d> bob2,  whats running. so i know whats all running
[07:05] <K_Dallas> I have never used a fax-modem under linux now that i have bought an analog modem, I would like to know how i could send out faxes? i looked into kfax but it accepts only its own format or tiff which pretty restrictive.
[07:05] <ian__> ivoks: error the cups server could not be contracted?:(
[07:05] <crazedcougar> dri works great, just not with cedega
[07:05] <r0d> bob2,  saves me from port scanning myself
[07:05] <bob2> I really really really doubt gentoo does that
[07:06] <bob2> r0d: ps aux | grep -v ^yourusername
[07:06] <ivoks> ian__: sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[07:06] <r0d> bob2, so i c theirs no quick commands :( thats what i been doing. thx again bob
[07:06] <bob2> how does gentoo know if something was started by the init script or not?
[07:07] <Stealth890> awesome i think i got it, it looks like my default gateway was also messed up to
[07:07] <Seveas> bob2, by running all initscripts with a --check argument oslt...
[07:07] <r0d> bob2, rc-update
[07:07] <Stealth890> reset that to router to
[07:07] <Stealth890> got online with it it :)
[07:07] <Stealth890> thx guys!
[07:07] <r0d> bob2, rc-update -a shows all deamons. running or not
[07:07] <Stealth890> im out, lata
[07:08] <bob2> Seveas: by comparing .pid files or such?
[07:08] <Seveas> i think so...
[07:08] <Seveas> or by just checking their mere existence
[07:08] <abarbaccia> hey all - my usb drive is no longer mounting automatically
[07:09] <Seveas> abarbaccia, did you add an entry for your usb drive to /etc/fstab or did you upgrade to breezy?
[07:09] <r0d> bob2,  are you a developer?
[07:10] <crazedcougar> can anyone help me quick with dri?
[07:10] <ian__> ivoks: yes.. my printer driver is there..but it does not print..
[07:10] <ian__> :(
[07:10] <bob2> r0d: yes, not on ubuntu
[07:11] <ivoks> ian__: check out /var/log/cups/error.log
[07:11] <Seveas> r0d, by the way: it is rc-status on gentoo, not rc-update
[07:11] <r0d> bob2,  awesome. what os, or program. if you dont mind...
[07:11] <r0d> bob2, thats what i meant. whoops. n00b error
[07:11] <ian__> ivoks: let me try to restart my box..brb..:)
[07:12] <ivoks> no...
[07:12] <ivoks> :))
[07:12] <bob2> r0d: bazaar.canonical.com
[07:12] <jeroen__> i dont hear sound when i play a song
[07:12] <jeroen_> jeroen__, with all songs?
[07:12] <selinium> hi all, can anyone explain symbolic links to me please!
[07:13] <Zoohouse> How do I list all the services my box has with the /etc/init.d command?
[07:13] <jeroen_> jeroen__, whether mp3 or wav or ogg or...
[07:13] <jeroen__> mp
[07:13] <goldfish> Zoohouse: ls -al /etc/init.d/ ?
[07:13] <jeroen__> mp3
[07:13] <Zoohouse> goldfish, thanx
[07:13] <jeroen_> selinium, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolic_link ?
[07:13] <urb85> guys, in what format the themes files for Gnome must be?
[07:13] <Seveas> bob2, and it's even worse: gentoo initsripts write there status to a file
[07:13] <jeroen_> jeroen__, only mp3?
[07:13] <selinium> jeroen_ cheers!
[07:13] <jeroen__> yes
[07:13] <Seveas> rc-status uses these files
[07:14] <Seveas> so if you kill it manually with kill, rc-status is wrong...
[07:14] <jeroen_> jeroen__, have you installed gstreamer0.8-mad ?
[07:14] <jeroen__> yes ican play it but i dont hear it
[07:14] <jeroen_> that's weird
[07:15] <ivoks> ian__: reboot doesn't help in linux :)
[07:16] <ian__> ivoks: ic..it does not help...i was.. thinking of windows..hehehe :)
[07:16] <Burgundavia> holycow, the udu wiki page?
[07:16] <ivoks> ian__: in linux, checking logs helps :)
[07:16] <ian__> ivoks: anyway, what is that log? where can i find it? :)
[07:16] <linukso> ian__: /var/log
[07:16] <ivoks> ian__: gedit /var/log/error.log
[07:16] <ivoks> ian__: don't type in anything, just take a look
[07:18] <ian__> ivoks: no error.log file..
[07:18] <ivoks> lol
[07:18] <ivoks> ian__: gedit /var/log/cups/error.log
[07:18] <nickrud> ian__, ivoks a passable gui tool for reading logs is apps->system tools->system log
[07:18] <ivoks> nickrud: nice :)
[07:18] <ivoks> nickrud: i don't use gui :)
[07:18] <nickrud> ivoks, most of us do, at least some :)
[07:19] <holycow> Burgundavia, close enough :) danke
[07:19] <ian__> ivoks: no error.log only error_log is this the one?
[07:20] <ivoks> ian__: yes
[07:20] <ivoks> man, i can't know everything :)
[07:20] <r0d> bob2, have you played with any of the .net languages?
[07:21] <ian__> ivoks: i found it..
[07:21] <ivoks> ian__: now, look for errors in it
[07:21] <Burgundavia> holycow, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals
[07:21] <linukso> r0d: you can find mono bindings for almost any language....
[07:21] <ivoks> ian__: you can't miss... everything there is error :)
[07:22] <ian__> ivoks: E [25/May/2005:01:18:50 +0800]  [Job 1]  Unable to send print file to printer: No such device
[07:22] <ian__> ivoks: this is the one?
[07:22] <ivoks> ian__: is your printer USB?
[07:22] <ian__> ivoks: yes..it is :)
[07:23] <ian__> ivoks: yes it is... when i installed a new printer.. my printer was detected..
[07:24] <ivoks> ian__: on what device is he looking for printer?
[07:24] <jeroen__> i dont hear sound when i play a song
[07:25] <r0d> linukso,  so if I write c# source in windows, i should be able to transfer it to linux with a binding?
[07:25] <ian__> ivoks: what is wierd now..i tried to delete the printer and install it again.. my printer is not detected..
[07:26] <ivoks> ian__: unplug it and plug it back in
[07:26] <ivoks> stoopid cups/usb bug :(
[07:26] <ubuntu> hi there :-)
[07:26] <ubuntu> testing ubuntu live cd right now :-)
[07:27] <ian__> ivoks: nothing happens..
[07:27] <ian__> ivoks: no printer detected..
[07:27] <ivoks> ian__: rescan
[07:27] <ian__> ivoks: how do i do that?
[07:27] <ivoks> ian__: start that wizzard again
[07:28] <ian__> ivoks: still do printer detect..
[07:28] <ivoks> ian__: sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[07:30] <ian__> ivoks: ok ..my printer is detected.. what do i do next?
[07:30] <ivoks> ian__: set it up
[07:30] <ian__> ivoks: done..
[07:30] <ian__> ivoks: test print again? :)
[07:31] <ivoks> yes
[07:31] <crazedcougar> what does it mean if dri works in some programs, but not others?
[07:32] <ivoks> ian__: and? nothing again?
[07:33] <ian__> ivoks: nothing .. :(
[07:33] <ivoks> ian__: now check logs
[07:34] <ian__> ivoks: im now in the logs..
[07:34] <ivoks> ian__: apps -> system
[07:34] <crazedcougar> is there an ubuntu amd64 room anywhere?
[07:34] <ivoks> :))
[07:34] <ian__> ivoks: the same error... :(
[07:35] <ivoks> ian__: no device?
[07:35] <ian__> yup..the last part..
[07:35] <ian__> ivoks: can i send it the part of logs?
[07:35] <ivoks> ian__: on private, yes
[07:36] <ian__> ivoks: i have send it..
[07:36] <littleworm> how do i "unmount"
[07:36] <ivoks> ian__: check out lsusb
[07:37] <ian__> ivoks: how do i do that? :)
[07:37] <ivoks> ian__: type lsusb :)
[07:37] <ivoks> does it list your printer?
[07:37] <ian__> yup..it was listed..
[07:38] <ian__> ivoks: Bus 002 Device 009: ID 04a9:262b Canon, Inc.
[07:38] <ivoks> ian__: lpq
[07:38] <ian__> ivoks:
[07:38] <ian__> Rank    Owner   Job     File(s)                         Total Size
[07:38] <ian__> active  ian     1       fdgdfg.sxw                      236544 bytes
[07:38] <ian__> 1st     ian     2       fdgdfg                          236544 bytes
[07:39] <ivoks> don't!
[07:39] <littleworm> how do i "unmount"?
[07:39] <ivoks> littleworm: umount
[07:39] <ivoks> not unmount
[07:39] <ian__> ivoks: :(
[07:40] <ivoks> ian__: i don't have a clue...
[07:40] <littleworm> ivoks: what?
[07:40] <ivoks> littleworm: command is umount, not unmount
[07:40] <WldRbit> Does anybody know of a program that resizes a bunch of images simoltaenously?
[07:40] <littleworm> oh
[07:40] <ian__> ivoks: ok..thanks anyway...
[07:40] <ivoks> ian__: got o that files you downloaded
[07:40] <ivoks> ian__: check out READMEs and INSTALL files
[07:41] <ivoks> ian__: maybe something usefull is there
[07:41] <ian__> ivoks: ok thaks a lot.. for the help..
[07:41] <ian__> :)
[07:42] <Weiss> WldRbit: ls *.jpg | xargs -iXXX convert -scale 80 XXX XXX_thumb
[07:42] <Weiss> WldRbit: then rename 's/.jpg_thumb/_thumb.jpg/' *
[07:43] <TSWoodV> WldRbit:  Check out ImageMagick.  Slick set of tools.
[07:47] <zoro> well hello everyone :)
[07:48] <zoro> i have a small question to ask about ubuntu and apt-get
[07:48] <zoro> for /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:48] <zoro> can i just change "warty" to "hoary" to set it to get updated packages for that distro?
[07:48] <zoro> version*
[07:48] <nickrud> zoro, yes
[07:49] <zoro> nice one :)
[07:49] <cmg_> is there an alternative to nautilus for a file manager/browser application I can use with Ubuntu?
[07:49] <zoro> wasn't sure about that
[07:49] <nickrud> zoro, apt-get dist-upgrade afterwards
[07:49] <zoro> nickrud: i tried that - it did nothing but say "no updates available"
[07:49] <nickrud> zoro, I mean, apt-get update first, then apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:50] <A-z-i-z> how do i start crossover-pro ? i just installed it
[07:51] <zoro> nickrud: i gathered that ;)
[07:51] <nickrud> zoro, ;)
[07:51] <cmg_> is there an alternative to Nautilus for a file manager/browser application I can use with Ubuntu? something similar?
[07:51] <ivoks> cmg_: allways
[07:51] <zoro> nickrud: my problem is that it didnt change the update source for me :)
[07:51] <zoro> i liek my hand being held when it comes to linux :p
[07:51] <ivoks> cmg_: gentoo, mc, konqueror
[07:52] <cmg_> ivoks, im sure there is.. but something you can reccomend.. that works well with Gnome.. and i can get it from synaptic?
[07:52] <ivoks> cmg_: you don't want me to recomend :)
[07:52] <nickrud> zoro, unless someone tells you otherwise, replace sources.list with http://pastebin.com/288853, then update and dist-upgrade
[07:52] <cmg_> ivoks, lol why?
[07:52] <cmg_> ivoks, and don;t say Bash
[07:52] <zoro> nickrud: the who in the what now? :)
[07:52] <ivoks> cmg_: zsh
[07:52] <nickrud> zoro, smarter people than me who lurk on this list :)
[07:53] <ivoks> cmg_: install emelfm2 or emelfm
[07:53] <cmg_> ivoks, i mean a gui type thing..
[07:53] <zoro> nickrud: ah i see now
[07:53] <ivoks> cmg_: these i like in GUI
[07:53] <zoro> there there, we all know you're not the brightest
[07:53] <zoro> :p :D
[07:53] <cmg_> ivoks, cool.. i'll go have a look
[07:53] <nickrud> zoro, no one has said no, yet :)
[07:53] <ivoks> cmg_: don't
[07:54] <ivoks> cmg_: ubuntu doesn't have emelfm2
[07:54] <ivoks> and emelfm is very ugly
[07:54] <cmg_> ivoks, that was part of my prerequisite.. any other reccomendations?
[07:54] <redlounge> hi. anyone can tell how i can refresh the gnome menu?
[07:54] <ivoks> gentoo is very nice, IMHO
[07:54] <ivoks> cmg_: rox
[07:54] <cmg_> ivoks, i see emelfm.. whats the difference?
[07:55] <zoro> nickrud: :)
[07:55] <ivoks> cmg_: rox-filer
[07:55] <ivoks> cmg_: very much like nautilus
[07:55] <cmg_> ivoks, which you like better.. rox or emelfm2?
[07:55] <ivoks> emelfm2
[07:55] <cmg_> ivoks, which you like better.. rox or emelfm?
[07:55] <nickrud> zoro, I put that there so people really look before leaping ;)
[07:55] <ivoks> never used emelfm
[07:56] <ivoks> cmg_: go to packages.debian.org
[07:56] <ivoks> and search for emelfm2
[07:56] <cmg_> ivoks, i'll try rox first..  Nautilus is great, but I am having a prob with it so I want a replacement
[07:56] <zoro> nickrud: look before leaping? feck that! i'll put my blindfold on and boldy follow anyone i want to
[07:56] <zoro> :D
[07:57] <cmg_> ivoks, holy crap dude.. rox has like 25 dependencies
[07:57] <zoro> anyway
[07:57] <zoro> that'll do me - thanks nickrud
[07:57] <ivoks> cmg_: :)
[07:57] <zoro> :)
[07:57] <ivoks> cmg_: xfce mostly
[07:57] <teknoprep> yeah i am sick of ubuntu\
[07:57] <linukso_> rox doesn't rock....
[07:57] <teknoprep> back to gentoo forme
[07:57] <redlounge> anyone can help me with the gnome menu?
[07:57] <ivoks> :)
[07:58] <ivoks> teknoprep: happy usless compiling
[07:58] <nickrud> zoro, np, I'm on a clean up those bad sources.list kick right now
[07:58] <zoro> nickrud: one more thing - would you consider ubuntu suitable for traffic shaping and stuff like that?
[07:58] <littleworm> how do i mount a partition so all the so normal users can access it?
[07:58] <ivoks> zoro: all linuxes are
[07:58] <teknoprep> ivoks its not useless.. everything works... too many problems with ubuntu
[07:58] <zoro> ivoks: yeah i know - but some are more "lightweight" than others
[07:58] <teknoprep> ivoks i can name a shit load of them too
[07:58] <nickrud> zoro, not a clue, I'm not a network admin
[07:58] <zoro> nickrud: cool
[07:58] <Jeroen_> i have a problem
[07:58] <zoro> tis only for a home network anyway
[07:58] <WhiteRabbit> join the crowd!
[07:59] <ivoks> well... i never managed suspend to ram to work on gentoo :)
[07:59] <Jormundgand> If I ask questions about Breezy here will I get berated for upgrading despite what the topic says?
[07:59] <littleworm> how do i mount a partition so all the so normal users can access it?
[07:59] <Jeroen_> I dont hear a sound when i play a MP3
[07:59] <zoro> Jormundgand: lol :D
[07:59] <cmg_> ivoks, is rox a pig to run?
[07:59] <ivoks> Jormundgand: DON'T UPDATE TO BREEZY! :)
[07:59] <ivoks> cmg_: no, fastest there is
[08:00] <Jormundgand> ivoks: Bit late there.
[08:00] <littleworm> how do i mount a partition so normal users can access it?
[08:00] <zoro> littleworm: in what sense?
[08:00] <zoro> littleworm: over a network or just normally?
[08:00] <littleworm> non-root users
[08:01] <zoro> no, i mean are the users that are going to access it going to be on a network, or on the actual pc itself?
[08:01] <littleworm> the pc itself
[08:01] <zoro> ah - that means no samba to worry about ;)
[08:02] <estra> HI
[08:02] <brum> any nfs gurus around?
[08:02] <zoro> brum: kinda - shoot
[08:02] <estra> can somebody help me with the driver of my webcam
[08:02] <moises> hi
[08:03] <estra> i installed it right, but can't see pictures
[08:03] <cmg_> ivoks, i can just run rox-filer?  I dont need to run XFCE and the whole rox desktop?
[08:03] <moises> i have just update from hoary to warty but when it finished i lost mi sound
[08:03] <linukso> cmg_: xfce isn't rox...
[08:03] <ivoks> cmg_: that's right
[08:04] <cmg_> ivoks, ok cool.. here's goes the beastly upgrade and all it's dependencies ;)
[08:04] <brum> i have two machines, A and B, B holds the directory to be exported, and the export file is set so it rw for all
[08:04] <whoiam> Hi all I want some help regarding dansguardian
[08:04] <brum> when i mount -t nfs to it from A it seems to work
[08:04] <littleworm> does someone knows how do i mount a partition so non-root users may access it?
[08:04] <brum> until i cd to that dir
[08:04] <zoro> littleworm: i THINK it's@: mount -t ext3 -oremount,rw /mnt/something
[08:04] <zoro> littleworm: or something laong those lines
[08:04] <brum> then it throws a perm denied
[08:04] <whoiam> little just add umask=022
[08:05] <ivoks> cmg_: it would be easier to know what you dislike in nautilus
[08:05] <whoiam> littleworm
[08:05] <zoro> brum
[08:05] <zoro> it's bossible that +x is required aswell as +rw
[08:05] <brum> if i showmount -a remotehost
[08:05] <brum> it shows that i am connected
[08:06] <littleworm> whoiam: what?
[08:06] <linukso> brum: you've done this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/EtcHostsAllowAndEtcHostsDeny
[08:06] <brum> the remote host is a netapp filer
[08:06] <zoro> linukso: *sigh* the most basic of problems ... you know that that's probably it too :D :)
[08:07] <zoro> god bless broadband
[08:07] <cmg_> ivoks, i like Nautilus.. it just has a problem with my fav editor (SciTE).. I can't open files from Nautilus into SciTE.. and thats like 99.999999999999999% of what I want out of a GUI file manager is to browse files and launch them in my editor
[08:07] <ivoks> cmg_: LOL
[08:07] <zoro> 240megs downloading at a blistering 213kB/s :)
[08:07] <ivoks> cmg_: nautilus doesn't do that
[08:07] <linukso> cmg_: rightclick on the file and select properties...
[08:08] <ivoks> cmg_: you should define favouite apps in system preferesnces
[08:08] <ivoks> cmg_: or right click on file
[08:08] <cmg_> ivoks, it does it fine with all other editor (gedit, etc).. it just hates SciTE.. it opens SciTE but doesnt open the file within it
[08:08] <ivoks> cmg_: hahaha
[08:08] <cmg_> ivoks, i've spent well over 20 hours fooling with it
[08:08] <cmg_> ivoks, in Warty it worked fine
[08:08] <ivoks> cmg_: did you wrote a script for nautilus?
[08:09] <nickrud> cmg_, you can write a small script and drop .gnome2/nautilus-scripts
[08:09] <brum> the strange things is that showmount -a shows i am connected, and df shows disk availibility for the NAS
[08:09] <zoro> cmg_: it's very likely that it accepts the parameters differently in the newer version
[08:09] <brum> but cant navigate into it...
[08:09] <zoro> brum: :/ that's strange
[08:09] <zoro> brum: but i do know that for smb shares you need executable access to it
[08:09] <Jormundgand> The volume control doesn't display my USB headphones which use ALSA even though they're connected and work. It only displays OSS devices.
[08:09] <cmg_> zoro, i wish I knew what to do.. I've contacted the SciTE maintainer for Debian.. it works fine for him on Hoary
[08:10] <brum> i will check that out...
[08:10] <yahalom> how do i remove one of my menu entries?
[08:11] <cmg_> ivoks, wow, rox-filer is FAST
[08:11] <ivoks> and nice :)
[08:11] <cmg_> ivoks, how do i do an "open with"
[08:12] <ivoks> you are asking hard questions :)
[08:12] <zoro> brum: do check it out - i've had ALOT of trouble with samba in the past, and all of theem were to do with my conf files being a load of gay :)
[08:12] <zoro> oh, and one time i didnt plug in the network cable :)
[08:13] <zoro> took me 3 hours to figure that one out :D
[08:13] <jobezone> any one here using Hoary has had ubuntu not booting after upgrading the linux kernel yesterday?
[08:13] <jobezone> updating from the oficial Hoary repositories.
[08:13] <jobezone> upgrading.
[08:13] <Tyche> where is SSH or FTP preferences accessed from?
[08:13] <mez> there's a topic about it on the forum where someone had it .... dont know if there are any replys though
[08:13] <Tyche> I need to either SSH or FTP this machine.
[08:13] <zoro> Tyche: /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[08:14] <zoro> Tyche: if it's a base install of ubuntu then it doesnt have sshd installed
[08:14] <zoro> Tyche: so: "apt-get install ssh" will fix it for you
[08:14] <cmg_> ivoks, seriously.. how do i get it open my editor with the file I have selected loaded in it?
[08:14] <Tyche> zoro: okay, I will install that.
[08:14] <ivoks> cmg_: easily :)
[08:14] <Dr_Willis> thats for the ssh client.  :P
[08:14] <brum> lol@zoro
[08:14] <brum> damn network cables
[08:14] <cmg_> ivoks, yes im sure its quite easy if you know how :)
[08:15] <ivoks> cmg_: cmg_ right click on file you want open with another program
[08:15] <jobezone> mez, yes, I've probably posted in that thread. A eaxy fix would probably be downgrading linux, but where to get the previous version of the kernel now? The repositories only contain the new one...
[08:15] <zoro> Dr_Willis: exactly what i thought - but it installed the daemon too
[08:15] <ivoks> cmg_: file <that filename> Customize menu
[08:15] <zoro> brum: shut up :p
[08:15] <ivoks> cmg_: it will open new window
[08:15] <ivoks> cmg_: drag and drop programs (as links) to this window which you would like in menu
[08:15] <strumane> hello
[08:16] <ivoks> cmg_: and they will be in menu :)
[08:16] <strumane> any people have ubuntu?
[08:16] <goldfish> we do
[08:16] <ivoks> strumane: noone with ubuntu here
[08:16] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:16] <Mez> nope
[08:16] <brum> nope
[08:16] <mjr> strumane, nah, we're here to discuss ice hockey
[08:16] <Mez> I dont use ubuntu
[08:16] <jobezone> I could allways get the source and compile, though... I'm not sure if this could be done in a chrooted environment.
[08:16] <ivoks> we call us ubuntu for joke
[08:16] <strumane> do you have a demo or original lubuntu?
[08:16] <Dr_Willis> demo?
[08:17] <ivoks> strumane: demo?!
[08:17] <adnans> all of a sudden the nvidia driver + latest 2.6.10-5-686 started freaking out.. freezing every minute.. quite annoying
[08:17] <strumane> i'm using now with lubuntu linux
[08:17] <ivoks> yeah, really ubuntu costs 1560$
[08:17] <ivoks> so, only demo here
[08:17] <ivoks> :)
[08:17] <Mez> lubuntu ?
[08:17] <Mez> that's a new one
[08:17] <Tyche> zoro: installing as we speak. Thank you.
[08:17] <cmg_> ivoks, what do you mean "(as links)"
[08:17] <ivoks> cmg_: go to /usr/bin
[08:17] <ivoks> drag and drop scite on that window
[08:18] <cmg_> ivoks, gotcha
[08:18] <ivoks> it will ask you copy/move/link
[08:18] <ivoks> you choose link
[08:18] <Tyche> zoro: mind helping a troubled mind again? How about the default config info for Apache if I want to change the location of htdocs?
[08:18] <jobezone> So, I guess everybody here upgraded linux yesterday in Hoary, and is happily running it now?
[08:18] <ian__> hello ppl..
[08:18] <Mez> I think when he asked demo or original ubuntu - he meant installed or from liveCD
[08:18] <ivoks> Mez: that's ubuntu builded arroung linux kernel :)
[08:18] <ian__> how do i play vcd movie?
[08:19] <jobezone> uname -a tells that you  have 2.6.10-5-686 ?
[08:19] <ivoks> ian__: so... printer?
[08:19] <zoro> Tyche: np :) as for apache? i think it's /etc/httpd/conf/SOMETHING.conf
[08:19] <jobezone> and uname -a tells that you  have 2.6.10-5-686 ?
[08:19] <zoro> not sure though
[08:19] <ian__> ivoks: no..luck.. :(
[08:19] <cmg_> ivoks, ahhh relief.. it works
[08:19] <strumane> it's new software
[08:19] <ian__> ivoks: im now testing other... devices.. :(
[08:19] <frogger^> wth is lubuntu linux?
[08:19] <ivoks> :))
[08:19] <cmg_> ivoks, thanks a ton ;)
[08:20] <ivoks> cmg_: works?
[08:20] <ian__> ivoks: how do i play a vcd movie?
[08:20] <cmg_> ivoks, like a charm
[08:20] <ivoks> ian__: xine or mplayer
[08:20] <Jormundgand> One thing I don't like is the removal of the "shutdown/reboot/logout" options on the logout window.
[08:20] <ian__> ivoks: need to install?
[08:20] <tortho> #ubuntu
[08:20] <ivoks> ian__: sudo apt-get install xine-ui mplayer
[08:21] <Jormundgand> Now I expressly have to go BACK to the login screen to shutdown, and I hate that.
[08:21] <tortho> Hi, anyone here using Kylix with ubuntu?
[08:21] <ivoks> no
[08:21] <ivoks> but i do kylie on ubuntu :)
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> Jormundgand,  just hit the power button :P it kicks in the shutdown runlevel for me.
[08:21] <clay> kylix will run on ubuntu? :)
[08:22] <Jormundgand> Dr_Willis: Me too, it's just annoying that I can't reboot easily without going to login screen.
[08:22] <ivoks> i guess, but kylie does
[08:22] <jobezone> well, going to but a blank cd to write hoary into, and reinstall...or maybe I'll try kanotix, not sure. Bye all
[08:22] <ivoks> kylie minough, of cours...
[08:22] <clay> mmm
[08:22] <zoro> ivoks: :)
[08:22] <Dr_Willis> Jormundgand,  - alt-ctrl-bs, real fast. alt-ctrl-del -- then again - i tend to reboot like once a month. :P so its not an issue.
[08:22] <tortho> i've tryed it with ubuntu , fedora 3 fedora4 test3, but the windows graphic is a little bit buggy, cant see the menues.
[08:23] <brum> zoro: i changed the share on the filer from NFS to CIFS w/ rwx access.. i can smbmount the drive and enter the dir, but cannot view the directory listing, or traverse any known sub-dirs... any ideas?
[08:23] <brum> ls: .: Permission denied
[08:23] <Tyche> zoro: Thank you. Take care.
[08:23] <zoro> Tyche: :) glad to help
[08:23] <ian__> ivoks: package is not available.. :(
[08:23] <ivoks> brum: nice :)
[08:23] <zoro> brum: hmmm - interesting problem
[08:24] <zoro> brum: sucks to be you! :p :D
[08:24] <ivoks> ian__: ubuntuguide.org
[08:24] <brum> i know... never seen anything like this b4
[08:24] <ivoks> or even better...
[08:24] <zoro> brum: i've never used CIFS, only NFS
[08:24] <ivoks> ian__: stop
[08:24] <ian__> ivoks: stop?
[08:24] <adnans> interesteingly enough if I compile the nvidia 7174 myself it's rock solid.. hmm
[08:24] <yahalom> man gnome is fast
[08:24] <yahalom> i thought xfce and stuff were meant to be faster
[08:25] <Jormundgand> Now, how do I get this volume control widget to change the volume of the sound from my USB headphones which use ALSA? Currently it only shows OSS devices.
[08:25] <ivoks> ian__: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:25] <zoro> oh i meant to ask - does ubuntu5 support the nforce2 chipset by default?
[08:25] <zoro> brum: is it possible that the parent directory of the share is readonly?
[08:26] <brum> nope... i checked that already... :(
[08:27] <zoro> brum: :/ no doubt it's a stupid f*cking problem :)
[08:27] <Seveas> zoro, sort of...
[08:28] <Seveas> nforce ethernet sometimes requires a little work
[08:28] <zoro> brum: is the network cable connected? :p
[08:28] <zoro> Seveas: yeah i've noticed that myself on a few distros
[08:28] <zoro> Seveas: i was hoping that it had been sorted :(
[08:28] <Seveas> zoro, just modprobe foredeth and you're settled
[08:28] <Seveas> forcedeth*
[08:29] <zoro> Seveas: well, what i want to do is remote-boot an nforce2 system from a server that's not nforce2 :)
[08:29] <zoro> Seveas: hence the problems :)
[08:29] <brum> zoro: nope...
[08:29] <zoro> Seveas: meh we'll cross the bridge when we get there :)
[08:30] <zoro> brum: nope what? :)
[08:30] <brum> i can access the share just fine from windows
[08:30] <brum> network cable is not connected ;)
[08:30] <zoro> brum: ;) :D
[08:30] <zoro> brum: well - if you can access it from windows, why not from lniux :/
[08:31] <zoro> brum: were you able to access it from windows before the changes?
[08:31] <brum> yes
[08:31] <zoro> ah
[08:31] <Aladdin2> hi guys
[08:31] <zoro> well tha'ts a pickle of a deeley :)
[08:31] <zoro> hey Aladdin2
[08:31] <Genie> Aladdin2: rub me!
[08:31] <bottle> actually
[08:31] <bottle> now rub me :)
[08:31] <Aladdin2> ok got what I call a major one...
[08:32] <Aladdin2> ...cause I use Multimedia alot...
[08:32] <zoro> Aladdin2: shoot
[08:33] <Aladdin2> OK I did something that caused Kaffeine (or Totem) to crash every time I try to play a file (in this case StarTrek season 2 18th episode, shit)....
[08:33] <Aladdin2> OK I did something that caused Kaffeine (or Totem) to crash every time I try to play a file (in this case StarTrek season 2 18th episode, shit)....anybody may help?
[08:34] <zoro> well first off - i doubt that mentioning illegal activities is allowed in here
[08:34] <Seveas> Aladdin2, probably you killed the sound server or messed witg some sound settings
[08:34] <zoro> seeing as it's a ridiculously popular irc channel
[08:34] <Seveas> zoro, mentioning is allowed, supporting not..
[08:34] <Aladdin2> Seveas, I got sound
[08:34] <zoro> Seveas: ah - fair enough
[08:34] <zoro> :p
[08:34] <Aladdin2> Seveas, Kaffeine crashes... :o(
[08:35] <zoro> Aladdin2: install any codecs recently?
[08:35] <Seveas> Kaffeine is some KDE player right?
[08:35] <ivoks> kde sucks :)
[08:35] <Aladdin2> Zoro, well I did some installs trying to find a good divx encoder prog :o|
[08:35] <Seveas> point is: sorry, can't help with kaffeine
[08:36] <Seveas> nickrud, it's a vague line
[08:36] <zoro> Aladdin2: well odds are that either some codecs are conflicting, or one of them is just plain gay
[08:36] <cmg_> ivoks, one minor nitpick with Rox.. besides that its pretty nice!
[08:36] <Aladdin2> Zoro, and I did install a third party divx codec yesterday.. That's when it f.. I think.
[08:36] <ivoks> :)
[08:36] <Riddell> Aladdin2: see the /topic  of #kubuntu for kaffeine updates
[08:37] <Aladdin2> Riddell,  I will thx
[08:37] <Stealth890> anyone know how to auostart a sudo command on startup? :D
[08:37] <cmg_> ivoks, so if I select that it does NOT resize automatically... when I restart rox, it initially resizes itself
[08:37] <zoro> Stealth890: bad idea ;)
[08:37] <Aladdin2> zoro, gay?
[08:37] <Seveas> Riddell, do you mind sharing it with us so we can help others with the problem?
[08:37] <Stealth890> oh...
[08:37] <zoro> Aladdin2: yeah - twas a joke ... means that it's just acting like a real whore
[08:37] <ivoks> cmg_: it resizes to size that is needed, not wanted
[08:37] <Stealth890> then how do i set my default gateway without sing a sudo command?
[08:37] <Aladdin2> zoro, k lol
[08:37] <Stealth890> kcondtrol is being gay....
[08:38] <zkruw> anyone know how to change the wordlist in openoffice to a swedish one?
[08:38] <zoro> Stealth890: conf files? :)
[08:38] <WhiteRabbit> Stealth890, its really happy?
[08:38] <Seveas> Stealth890, or fix kcontrol
[08:38] <zoro> :D
[08:38] <zoro> Stealth890: sudo'ing is most certainly not how to do it :)
[08:38] <Seveas> zkruw, install language-support-se
[08:38] <zkruw> that easy?
[08:38] <cmg_> ivoks, right.. i just want it to remain a static size and remain like that until i manually drag it larger or smaller.. and then remember my setting.. but thats a very minor point.  auto-resize seems like it should be better, i'm just not used to it
[08:38] <Seveas> zkruw, yes, it will drag in OOo localizations
[08:39] <Stealth890> well u see, kcontgrol wont work well, i have to use sudo kcontrol in knolse to edit network settings
[08:39] <zoro> OOo is just poo :)
[08:39] <zoro> give me MS Office any day :)
[08:39] <Stealth890> and default gateway always gets erased on reboot
[08:39] <Aladdin2> zkruw, hey I just try to make OO work in plain french and it won't (damn UTF-8).  UTF-8 also causes many proplems with my http server. grrrrrr....
[08:39] <Stealth890> so i se some sudo route default gateway or sumthin
[08:39] <Stealth890> for my router
[08:39] <Seveas> Stealth890, #kubuntu might be a better place for you to find help, they know more about K related things
[08:39] <Stealth890> and i have to do it everytime...
[08:39] <Stealth890> its empty over there >_<
[08:39] <tweakism_> I need to upgrade my wireless nic drivers to use a version not packaged by ubuntu.  dpkg -S says linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 is the package that contains the modules I will be replacing.  http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/INSTALL details the normal build proceedure for this module.  What's the correct way to make a new kernel image package, with these modules included?
[08:40] <zoro> Seveas: it's most likely not a k related issue
[08:40] <zoro> Stealth890: you probably chmodded the conf files or something :)
[08:40] <Stealth890> ...
[08:40] <Stealth890> can u unchdmod a file?
[08:40] <cmg_> Stealth890, you can chmod it again
[08:40] <Seveas> tweakism_, download the sources, adapt the kernel config and use make-kpkg and install the deb it generates
[08:40] <zoro> Stealth890: well, _if_ that's the problem, you won't know which file you'd fecked with
[08:40] <Aladdin2> zoro, any clues on how to get my multimedia apps back working?  This is VERY anoyeing to me.
[08:40] <zoro> Aladdin2: first thought? get rid of them _completely_
[08:41] <zoro> including _ALL_ codecs
[08:41] <Stealth890> hats the thing, im sure i havent done that...
[08:41] <zoro> then reinstall only what you need
[08:41] <Seveas> Stealth890, every file has a mode (the set of permission), so there is no unchmod
[08:41] <Seveas> you can chmod it back to what it was of course
[08:41] <Stealth890> and ive looked through kubuntu froums and it looks like its a prob with kcontrol...
[08:41] <cmg_> they should have a chmod-bin next to the trash.. so you can "empty chmod's" or 'revert" :))
[08:41] <zoro> Stealth890: ah well then it is a k problem ;)
[08:41] <tweakism_> Seveas: OK, that's what I mostly have figured out.  The INSTALL file details instructions for building as an external module, though, so how do I incorporate that into the kernel package?
[08:41] <zoro> cmg_: :)
[08:41] <Stealth890> o well...i gtg
[08:41] <gub> is anyome working on the libx11-6 (keybord bug in breezy) ?
[08:41] <Stealth890> ill figure it out after work
[08:41] <Stealth890> lata
[08:41] <Seveas> tweakism_, you do not *need* a kernel package then
[08:41] <zoro> o/
[08:42] <Seveas> you can simply build just the module
[08:42] <Seveas> nad use it with your current kernel
[08:42] <zoro> tell me, does dist-upgrade install the packages by default?
[08:42] <zoro> or just download?
[08:42] <Aladdin2> zoro, k my thought too. I already tried partially.  I'm gona' go for the BIG thing.  What frustrates me is that I believe that a smal DAMN file is the cause of it all.  And I had such a "perfect" install up to know..  shit.
[08:42] <Seveas> by the way: i would advise upgrading your kernel to linux-686 (intel) or linux-k7 (amd)
[08:42] <tweakism_> Seveas: Well, no, but I like to keep things in package management.  If I just delete the modules the package installed, and install my own, it won't be covered by package management.
[08:42] <Seveas> zoro, it will install it
[08:42] <zoro> Seveas: thanks
[08:43] <zoro> Aladdin2: well the only surefire way to fix it is a "GET OFF MY SYSTEM" approach
[08:43] <zoro> :)
[08:43] <Seveas> tweakism_, true, but i think it's too much effort for such a simple thing
[08:43] <tweakism_> Seveas: OK, I'll just do it that way then.  Thanks.
[08:43] <Seveas> zoro, apt-get -d dist-upgrade will only download
[08:43] <Aladdin2> zoro, k goin' for it... see u all back... maybe. ;o)
[08:43] <zoro> Aladdin2: good luck
[08:43] <zoro> Aladdin2: you'll need it :p
[08:43] <zoro> Seveas: that's fine so :)
[08:43] <zkruw> Seveas, installed, howto enable?
[08:44] <Seveas> zkruw, restart OOo, i think it should be there
[08:44] <Seveas> oen sec
[08:44] <Seveas> one*
[08:45] <zoro> Seveas: a restart shouldnt be needed iirc
[08:45] <gub> is anyone working on the libx11-6 (keybord bug in breezy) ?
[08:45] <zoro> Seveas: i _think_ it loads the list every time you access it
[08:45] <zkruw> Seveas, sorry to sound like a n00b whats 00o :)
[08:45] <zoro> Seveas: but i haven't used OOo in a long time
[08:45] <zkruw> zerozeroo?
[08:45] <zoro> zkruw: OOo == Open Office . org :)
[08:45] <zkruw> yes
[08:45] <zoro> zkruw: O O o :D
[08:45] <zkruw> but resterted twice
[08:46] <zoro> ah - i see
[08:46] <Seveas> zkruw, tools->settings->language settings
[08:46] <zkruw> thought you meant something else then
[08:46] <Sethos> is there a firewall i can dl with synaptic?
[08:46] <zoro> hey daniel
[08:46] <zoro> :p
[08:47] <Seveas> Sethos, the firewall is embedded in the kernel
[08:47] <Seveas> you can use command to control it
[08:47] <Seveas> or you can download a GUI frontend, it's called firestarter
[08:47] <teknoprep> why do you guys think that.. ubuntu plays WoW like shit in Point2Play/cedega, but gentoo plays its flaylessly around 60fps
[08:47] <zkruw> thanx m8s :)
[08:47] <yahalom> how can i get a black theme for gnome?
[08:47] <teknoprep> i think ubuntu repo's are built really poorly
[08:47] <teknoprep> yahalom make one
[08:47] <Seveas> yahalom, gnome-look.org / art.gnome.org
[08:47] <ivoks> teknoprep: idiot installed systems?
[08:47] <yahalom> teknoprep, no clue how
[08:48] <teknoprep> ivoks lol gtfo
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> teknoprep,  perhaps kernel version/differances.
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> yahalom,  thers several gnome-theme sites out.
[08:48] <teknoprep> Dr_Willis i had both 2.6.8 on both gentoo and ubuntu
[08:48] <yahalom> Dr_Willis, gnome-look
[08:48] <teknoprep> Dr_Willis gentoo blows it out of the water.. and it takes a non moron to work with gentoo
[08:48] <ivoks> lol, but wrong libc6 :)
[08:49] <zoro> apt-get upgrade is taking a bloody age :/
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> teknoprep,  im just been trying to get Guildwars working with Cedega. :P no luck yet however
[08:49] <ivoks> and probalby no glx driver :)
[08:49] <littleworm> how do i terminate applications?
[08:49] <teknoprep> Dr_Willis you using ubunutu
[08:49] <ivoks> as i said... idiot installed system :)
[08:49] <littleworm> like alt-ctrl-del
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> teknoprep,  yep.
[08:49] <teknoprep> Dr_Willis i find gentoo just works for everything
[08:50] <Sethos> ok, Seveas, (im new to linkux) theres obviously a lot of things that i cant directly controle from the basic GUI, is there a fag somewhere about this?, im also needing to controle synaptics touchpad driver
[08:50] <yahalom> lets say i downloaed a theme how would i choose it to be my theme?
[08:50] <Sethos> faq* lol
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> teknoprep,  i was usein gentoo for a long time - and i had issues with some things. good in other ways.
[08:50] <Seveas> Sethos, look at the topic for a faq :)
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> yahalom,  gnomes theme selector says "drag theme here to isntall a new theme" :P
[08:50] <littleworm> how do i terminate applications?
[08:50] <littleworm> like alt-ctrl-del
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> littleworm,  'kill PID' is one way
[08:51] <teknoprep> Dr_Willis what problems you had.. i have had problems with .. evolution_exchange plugin... acpid crashes... kopete... amarok...
[08:51] <Seveas> littleworm, kill
[08:51] <teknoprep> Dr_Willis and others
[08:51] <Seveas> in a terminal
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> teknoprep,  Yep. :P nothing is perferect.
[08:51] <tweakism_> littleworm: In terminals, you can press Ctrl+C to send a SIGTERM, or use kill to send a non-negotiable SIGKILL.  In X, you can use the "xkill" program.
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> teknoprep,  been a few mo sonce i last messed with gentoo however.
[08:51] <teknoprep> Dr_Willis its becuase the repo's are no good... i prefer waiting and getting it compiled myself then getting someone else's crap compile
[08:51] <yahalom> Dr_Willis, got it man thanx
[08:51] <tweakism_> littleworm: Generally, "ps wax | grep programname", note pid.  "kill pid".  Did it not die?  then you have to:  "kill -9 pid"
[08:52] <Dr_Willis> teknoprep,  over all ive have had very few issues with ubuntu at all.
[08:52] <teknoprep> tweakism_ why not just "killall -9 programname"
[08:52] <Seveas> tweakism_, killp ...
[08:52] <tallia2> hi guys... i'm searching for an application 4 linux similar to partition magic .. do you know something? i've to do lots of resizing work and i don't wanna lost my data..
[08:52] <tallia2> could you help me!?
[08:53] <Seveas> tallia2, gparted/qtparted
[08:53] <teknoprep> Dr_Willis i also have a problem with openGL just being slow in general with the xorg-driver-ati... gentoo did a much better, easier, and faster running install of ati-drivers
[08:53] <tweakism_> teknoprep: I like to see a list of matching processes *before* they get killed, in case there's another one of the same name I'm not aware of.
[08:53] <teknoprep> tweakism_ bleh just kill them all
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> teknoprep,  ati?  :P Ewwwww....
[08:53] <littleworm> i used killall -9 <progname> and it works
[08:53] <littleworm> thanks
[08:53] <teknoprep> Dr_Willis yeah but i have a laptop.. can't change my vid card.. ati radeon mobility 9600
[08:53] <tweakism_> littleworm: Don't use -9 unless you have to.
[08:53] <teknoprep> Dr_Willis www.ecsusa.com/g736.html
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> teknoprep,  i had a laptop with ati9700 :P it worked.. ok. :P but i dide4nt worry about games much
[08:54] <tweakism_> littleworm: xkill is pretty neat too.  You run it from the Run box or a terminal, and it changes the cursor.  You click the cursor on a window, and whatever process owns that window gets killed.
[08:54] <Sethos> hmm.. i  accident got my upper panel moved to the right side of the screen, how do i get it back?
[08:54] <teknoprep> Dr_Willis neither did i usually.. but its nice to have them when you are away and bored
[08:55] <Seveas> Sethos, rightclick on the panel, select properties
[08:55] <tweakism_> What is /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build/ and why don't I have it?
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> teknoprep,  gotten where i perfer the C64  and SNES emulators.  :P
[08:55] <tallia2> aren't there other programs !?
[08:55] <tallia2> (like partition magic...)
[08:56] <jeroen_> tallia2, just gparted and/or qtparted
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> tallia2,  ive used qtparted or was it gparted
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> they are good :P
[08:56] <Seveas> tallia2, i only know of qtparted and gparted
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> a live cd with qt_parted or similer is very veyr handy
[08:56] <Seveas> ...and captive ntfs
[08:57] <jeroen_> Seveas, and parted :p
[08:57] <Seveas> and clamav
[08:57] <xukun> tallia2, how about qtparted - A parted frontend using QT
[08:57] <Seveas> jeroen_, that's even furter away from PQM
[08:57] <spinifex> I have a Pentium M processor.  Which kernel should I use?
[08:57] <jeroen_> Seveas, yup :p
[08:57] <jeroen_> spinifex, the normal one?
[08:57] <Seveas> spinifex, install linux-686
[08:57] <tweakism_> Seveas: I haven't used clamav.  How is it?  Particularly, does it have a good DB, or is it lacking lots of common viruses?
[08:58] <Seveas> tweakism_, no friggin clue :) but al newbies want a virusscanner...
[08:58] <xukun> Seveas, and is that bad thing?
[08:58] <psychonate> You probably only need a virus scanner if you plan on sharing a lot of files with a Windows box
[08:58] <psychonate> so methinks anyway
[08:58] <Seveas> xukun, no, it's just the reason i heard of it
[08:58] <spinifex> if I upgrade my kernel to 686, will any of my 386 packages stop working?  Or perhaps my wacom modules?
[08:59] <Seveas> spinifex, if you installed wacom modules yourself, you probably have to rebuild them
[08:59] <tweakism_> Seveas: I'm thinking of installing it on our mailserver.  I never have, because I always had a sneaking suspicion that an open source project couldn't have the resources to properly catalog a large number of Windows viruses, like money farms like Norton and McAffe can.
[08:59] <spinifex> psychonate: can a windows virus even run on linux?  I didn't think it could
[08:59] <ian__> hello ppl..
[08:59] <Seveas> tweakism_, my thoughtd exactly..
[08:59] <jeroen_> spinifex, yes they can, some can
[08:59] <psychonate> spinifex, that's not why
[08:59] <Dr_Willis> im not sure that norton and mcaffe does that good of a job really :P
[08:59] <spinifex> seveas: no, I used synaptic
[08:59] <Seveas> norton does a very good job collecting viruses
[08:59] <jeroen_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/
[08:59] <Seveas> but their av prog is a resource hog
[08:59] <psychonate> spinifex, I'm talking about downloading things on your *nix box that have viruses and sharing those infected files with a Windows box
[09:00] <spinifex> oh
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> Ive been useing "AVG"  under windows latey.. demo with no lame limitations.
[09:00] <jeroen_> spinifex, here's a good comparison of windows vs linux virus compatability http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/
[09:00] <psychonate> e.g. p2p
[09:00] <spinifex> AVG is the best
[09:00] <tweakism_> spinifex: In the vast, vast majority of cases, no.  there are some Linux viruses, though.  Linux and similar projects tend to 1) be less popular, 2) have fewer remote security holes, 3) and have faster remote security hole response times, so they get less attention from virus writers.
[09:00] <jeroen_> tweakism_, plus you need to be root to do damage
[09:00] <ian__> hello pll..
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> spinifex,  yea they win in my book.
[09:00] <tweakism_> Dr_Willis: We use AVG (the for-pay version) on all the WinXP machines here.  I don't know much about it, but it seems to work well.
[09:00] <jeroen_> ian__, hi :)
[09:01] <tweakism_> jeroen_: Yes.  A sane, good multi-user security policy by default is always a plus.
[09:01] <Seveas> AVG is slow on recognizing new viruses
[09:01] <monteiro> my mouse breaks, when i open simple programs like gaim, i've dma working and all, i don't now what is going on :(( It happens on any window manager
[09:01] <ian__> i tried to follow the guide in how to install multimedia codecs.. but i have a probkem..
[09:01] <linukso> monteiro: disable hwcursor
[09:01] <xukun> what about f-prot?
[09:01] <jeroen_> running windows viruses on wine: http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/25/1430222&from=rss
[09:01] <Seveas> monteiro, you're not making sense: 1) what do you mean with mousebreaking 2) mouse and dma have nothing to do with each other
[09:01] <ian__> when i issued this command..sudo apt-get install w32codecs error..package not found..
[09:02] <nickrud> jeroen_, you still looking for a way see the installed universe packages?
[09:02] <ian__> when i issued this command..sudo apt-get install w32codecs error..package not found.. how do i resolve this?
[09:02] <ivoks> ian__: did you enable universe and multiverse?
[09:02] <jeroen_> nickrud, the restricted packages. But yeah :)
[09:02] <Seveas> ian__, get the codecs from mplayerhq
[09:03] <monteiro> linukso : how i disable that ? in xorg.conf ?
[09:03] <linukso> yes
[09:03] <Ti_Uhl> hello
[09:03] <Ti_Uhl> :)
[09:03] <xukun> Seveas,what is mplayerhq?
[09:03] <beginner> hello
[09:03] <jeroen_> xukun, a site
[09:03] <Seveas> xukun, a the mplayer website
[09:03] <jeroen_> xukun, that's my guess
[09:03] <tweakism_> damn it.  What is /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build ?  I've only been using Ubuntu for a couple of weeks as a test, and I'm afraid to just straight build my own kernel 'cause it seems like Ubuntu does some (seemingly very successful) hardware autodetection on boot, and I haven't taken time to become familiar w/ it yet.
[09:03] <Seveas> mplayerhq.com or .org
[09:03] <tweakism_> I did apt-get source linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[09:04] <ian__> ivoks: how do i enable it? :(
[09:04] <tweakism_> and apt-get build-dep linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[09:04] <teknoprep> well that was a fast gentoo install
[09:04] <Fackamato2> mplayerhq.hu
[09:04] <teknoprep> now to install the rest of everything
[09:04] <santiago> hi
[09:04] <monteiro> Seveas : for an example, when i open gaim, i start moving the mouse in circules, and when the program starts puf, break a little, like stop in a second
[09:04] <jeroen_> nickrud, so you know howto?
[09:04] <teknoprep> have to love havintg a fast ass computer for gentoo
[09:04] <ian__> Seveas: what u you mean?
[09:04] <will_> tweakism_:why do you want to build your own kernel?
[09:04] <nickrud> jeroen_, sorry, work phone
[09:04] <santiago> I need to burn a .iso in my ubuntu, what app should I use for that?
[09:04] <ian__> ivoks: how do i enable it? universe multiunivers :(
[09:04] <Seveas> ian__, you can get codec packs from the mplayerhq.hu website, use these
[09:04] <nickrud> in aptitude, l~srestricted
[09:04] <jeroen_> santiago, no app needed
[09:04] <jeroen_> santiago, if you use gnome
[09:05] <tweakism_> will_: I don't really, I just want to build this one module, but the makefile complains that /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build doesn't exist.
[09:05] <ivoks> ian__ you have everything you need on that page
[09:05] <santiago> jeroen_, whit nautilus?
[09:05] <jeroen_> santiago, just right click it -> write to disc
[09:05] <jeroen_> santiago, with nautilus yes
[09:05] <jeroen_> santiago, you can also install gnomebaker :)
[09:05] <ivoks> don't do that
[09:05] <beginner> hello
[09:05] <ivoks> I never created CD like that
[09:05] <ivoks> allways fails
[09:05] <tritium> santiago, graveman as well
[09:06] <Seveas> or k3b if you want to use kde
[09:06] <jeroen_> if it doesn't work, then use gnomebaker. Gnomebaker works for me
[09:06] <beginner> is it posible to set a mac addres,ip from ubuntu live cd?
[09:06] <nickrud> jeroen_, ^^
[09:06] <santiago> tritium, I've tried graveman, but it doesn't work well
[09:06] <Seveas> beginner, sure...
[09:06] <jeroen_> nickrud, ^^
[09:06] <ivoks> beginner: yes
[09:06] <ian__> ivoks: i have tried.. but nothing works.. :( like adding a repository it does not work..
[09:06] <kimmo__> i have an weird proble with my ubuntu, i installed it and i hear disturbing noise from motherboard, this wont happen with knoppix or mandrake, what to do?
[09:06] <tritium> santiago, it works fine, but if you had troubles, don't use it
[09:06] <jeroen_> nickrud, ah; thanks
[09:06] <ivoks> ian__: i'm too tierd to explain bacics... sorry
[09:06] <santiago> jeroen_, i'll try with nautilus, let me see...
[09:07] <ivoks> maybe someone else form other timezone
[09:07] <ian__> ivoks: ok..
[09:07] <Mez> lmao
[09:07] <beginner> how?
 maybe someone else form other timezone
[09:07] <Seveas> beginner, with ifconfig
[09:07] <Mez> that beeped me
[09:07] <Mez> lmao
[09:07] <Seveas> ti mez one :)
[09:07] <beginner> seveas how?
[09:07] <beginner> please
[09:07] <xukun> anybody know how I can whatch the movie trailers on http://www.apple.com/trailers/?
[09:07] <beginner> i want to help a friend
[09:07] <jeroen_> nickrud, where do I enter that?
[09:07] <Seveas> beginner, ifconfig eth0 hwaddr 00:00:00:00:00:00
[09:08] <nickrud> jeroen_, just start typing
[09:08] <Seveas> beginner, ifconfig eth0 addr 129.168.0.1
[09:08] <Seveas> etc...
[09:08] <Quest-Master> xukun: sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer
[09:08] <nickrud> l is a command
[09:08] <santiago> :O, I had not seen the "write to disc" option..
[09:08] <Seveas> beginner, please read the manpage for ifconfig
[09:08] <kimmo__> i have an weird problem with my ubuntu, i installed it and i hear disturbing noise from motherboard, this wont happen with knoppix or mandrake, what to do?
[09:08] <jeroen_> aha
[09:08] <beginner> i type in a terminal ifconfig eth0 hw ether ..............
[09:08] <tweakism_> Nevermind, the answer to my question was right under my nose.
[09:08] <nickrud> jeroen_, try l~c , very useful
[09:09] <Seveas> beginner, yes..
[09:09] <jeroen_> Why are the kernels in restricted? :-/
[09:09] <beginner> and is not working
[09:09] <Seveas> jeroen_, the kernels are in main
[09:09] <kimmo__> the noise stops when harddisk loads but when computer is idle the noise starts
[09:09] <Seveas> linux-restricted-modules is in restricted
[09:09] <Seveas> so the linux-686 metapackages and the like must be in restricted
[09:10] <jeroen_> Seveas, ah, yep.. you're right; they're the metapackages
[09:10] <truz24> If i have a file with 1000 lines, and i want it divided into 10 files with 100 records in each file, how could i do this ?
[09:10] <xukun> Quest-Master, E: Couldn't find package mozilla-mplayer
[09:10] <jeroen_> seems I only have nvidia drivers installed from restricted
[09:10] <Seveas> xukun, enable universe & multiverse
[09:10] <jeroen_> but I have ati card :-/
[09:10] <beginner> seveas i tried this and the answer was device busy
[09:10] <Seveas> beginner, ifconfig eth0 down first then
[09:10] <tweakism_> Seveas: Well, looks like I'm going to be building my own kernel package anyway (just to have a build directory for this other module), so after I do the build, but before I make the kernel package, can I just substitute in the .ko files I want for the ones in the kernel tree (they're build for the exact same version and configuration), and it will install those when I dpkg -i the kernel package?
[09:11] <beginner> k let me see
[09:11] <Seveas> tweakism_, i think so, but don't kill me if i am wrong :)
[09:11] <tweakism_> Seveas: :P
[09:11] <Sethos> if not in the faq, how do i find information about howto configure the apps/drivers that i cannot acces from the panel?
[09:12] <jeroen_> Sethos, most have a "configure" option
[09:12] <Seveas> Sethos, depends on the app/driver then
[09:12] <jeroen_> Sethos, or run them in a terminal with --help as option
[09:12] <kimmo__> i have an weird problem with my ubuntu, i installed it and i hear disturbing noise from motherboard, this wont happen with knoppix or mandrake, what to do?
[09:12] <kimmo__> the noise stops when harddisk loads but when computer is idle the noise starts
[09:12] <yonil> Q: i know how to add a user with adduser, how can i remove a user (and delete its home dir and everything) ?
[09:12] <kimmo__> please help
[09:12] <tweakism_> yonil: man deluser.
[09:13] <calamari> kimmo__: make sure your case fans are spinning
[09:13] <Seveas> kimmo__, please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[09:13] <yosef> ive just booted into warty 4.10 livecd. any idea if it comes with an ssh server?
[09:13] <jeroen_> No more restricted for me :)
[09:13] <Seveas> yosef, you can apt-get install it, but it will be installed into memory, so it will be gone on reboot
[09:13] <jeroen_> Multiverse is non-supported non-free software, right?
[09:13] <Seveas> yes
[09:13] <jeroen_> okay
[09:13] <Seveas> well, not completely
[09:14] <Seveas> it's community-supported
[09:14] <lop> hi all
[09:14] <jeroen_> lop, hi :)
[09:14] <xukun> Quest-Master, which lines do I need to add in my /etc/apt/sources.list? I only have deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[09:14] <xukun>  in there
[09:14] <Seveas> xukun, BAD idea
[09:14] <Seveas> do NOT use backports
[09:14] <jeroen_> Seveas, why is MythTV in multiverse than?
[09:14] <yosef> Seveas: tmp install is fine. my problem is 2.6 kernels dont seem to let my kb work, so trying to debug. thanks for the help
[09:14] <Seveas> xukun, the list of official repositories can be found in http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38
[09:15] <lop> i got a little problem with fonts after dist-upg to hoary, can anybody help me out a bit ? cause im out of ideas
[09:15] <Seveas> lop, just state the problem please
[09:16] <lop> thr problem is, i cant use polish signs
[09:16] <Sethos> i have no clue on how to use a terminal, how can i find info, i need to configure the touchpad and the firewall, and the wireless connection prgram
[09:16] <eruin> how's Xorg in breezy today?
[09:16] <lop> tried to set locales to iso, nothingh happened
[09:16] <jeroen_> Sethos, if you use gnome, terminal is 2 clicks away
[09:16] <Seveas> do you have the polish locale and language-support-pl installed?
[09:16] <jeroen_> Sethos, right mouse button -> terminal
[09:16] <omoncho> could anyone tell me when will fonts find a fix directory?
[09:16] <lop> sure i have a pol locale
[09:16] <jeroen_> Why is MythTV in multiverse? It's GPL
[09:16] <Sethos> and then what?
[09:16] <tweakism_> Seveas: Is this the correct process to make a kernel package?  Note the distressing lack of make-kpkg.  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelBuildpackageHowto
[09:17] <Seveas> lop, i don'y know about polish things, maybe try the ubuntu-pl@lists.ubuntu.com mailinglist
[09:17] <Seveas> tweakism_, no idea, i must confess that i have never made a kernel package myself
[09:17] <beginner> seveas thankyou
[09:17] <Seveas> jeroen_, maybe it Depends: on non-free things
[09:17] <lop> ok, i'll see what i can dfo
[09:17] <beginner> it worked
[09:17] <lop> thanks
[09:18] <jeroen_> Seveas, it depends on other mythtv packages
[09:18] <Brad_c> hey guys im tryin to find the temp monitor
[09:18] <Brad_c> any idea?
[09:18] <jeroen_> Seveas, and some other things - will check
[09:18] <tritium> tweakism_, the recommended approach does use make-kpkg
[09:18] <Brad_c> i tried apt-get emifreq
[09:18] <Brad_c> but nothin
[09:18] <littleworm> how do i change the splah screen?
[09:18] <xukun> Quest-Master, why ist two parts? is that normal?
[09:19] <littleworm> *splash
[09:19] <Seveas> littleworm, art.gnome.org/faq.php
[09:19] <Quest-Master> xukun: One second
[09:19] <Brad_c> can someone help me?
[09:19] <Brad_c> is there a temp monitor?
[09:19] <Brad_c> for cpu
[09:20] <Quest-Master> xukun: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer
[09:20] <jeroen_> pff.. It's dependencies have loads of dependencies :(
[09:21] <Seveas> jeroen_, apt-get -s install mythtv to see them all :)
[09:21] <xukun> Quest-Master, no the sources.list in http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38
[09:21] <Seveas> xukun, what do you mean with two parts?
[09:21] <Seveas> xukun, you need just the 6 numbered lines
[09:22] <alessandro_> hi all
[09:22] <Seveas> (without the numbers)
[09:22] <xukun> aha thanks
[09:22] <lop> oh, one more thing - i have nvidia based gpu, and keep getting segmentation faults when trying to run xmms, also after updating to hoary i had to change "nvidia" in xorg.conf to "nv" cause my x-serv wouldnt start
[09:22] <alessandro_> how can I modify bootable linux partition ?
[09:22] <lop> should i recompile the kernel with 'nvidia' module ?
[09:22] <Seveas> lop, you need to install xorg-driver-nvidia (oslt) and use nvidia-glx-enable (the exact howto is on the wiki)
[09:23] <Seveas> there have been massive changes with regard to X between warty and hoary
[09:23] <Seveas> alessandro_, what do you mean
[09:23] <Quest-Master> xukun: Copy and paste this sources.list.. it is mine and works perfectly http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/49
[09:23] <Brad_c> snobs
[09:24] <jeroen_> Seveas, seeing them all is no problem; checkin their status is ;)
[09:24] <Seveas> Quest-Master, the /38 is mine and works perfectly too :)
[09:24] <Quest-Master> Seveas: More than one solution doesn't hurt ;)
[09:24] <Seveas> well, yours doesn;t include all official repo's :)
[09:24] <alessandro_> I want to move first partition (ext3) at the end of disk and put a windows one instead
[09:24] <lop> thx sevas,should try it
[09:25] <Quest-Master> Seveas: .. and?
[09:25] <Seveas> alessandro_, i think only partition magic (a windows program) is capable of doing that
[09:26] <Burgundavia> Seveas, what about parted?
[09:26] <jcompton> Upgrading to Hoary seems to have broken audio on my old laptop (it worked fine previously.) Any suggestions?
[09:26] <alessandro_> gasp :( guess what... I tried with qtparted but I can't modify mounted partition like the ext3 one
[09:26] <Seveas> Burgundavia, afaik it cannot move partitions...
[09:26] <jeroen_> is it possible to remove all enters from a (text) file and replace them with spaces? Automated?
[09:26] <Burgundavia> Seveas, ah
[09:26] <tweakism_> jeroen_: Sure.
[09:26] <jeroen_> tweakism_, :)
[09:26] <alessandro_> I tried also with knoppix but I can't interactproperly with disk
[09:26] <brush> i've got a simple route question, somebody willing to help?
[09:27] <jeroen_> tweakism_, do you know how?
[09:27] <brush> i keep getting the wrong default route (and gw)
[09:27] <zkruw> is it possible to get the gaim windows to blink hrrm like in windows when thery are down in the gnome-panel?
[09:28] <spinifex> zkruw: there's a patch for it on the net somewhere, but I don't know how to apply it
[09:28] <jeroen_> zkruw, it's possible but I don't know if gaim supports it
[09:28] <spinifex> gaim supports marking windows as urgent
[09:28] <tweakism_> jeroen_: Give me a second to get the right sed command.
[09:28] <eruin> spinifex, gnome-panel doesn't
[09:29] <zkruw> i have marked every thing i can find, any tip on what to search one?
[09:29] <eruin> spinifex, there should be a what, three year old bug on it
[09:29] <eruin> deferred due to nasty politics just like mdi in gimp
[09:29] <tarvid> my t20 notebook with a 3c556b mini-pci fails with vortex_probe1 fails returns -22
[09:30] <tarvid> any hope?
[09:30] <tweakism_> jeroen_: cat FILENAME | sed -e :a -e 'N; s/\n/, /; ta'
[09:30] <spinifex> #!/usr/bin/perl -w
[09:30] <spinifex> for my $file( @ARGV ){
[09:30] <spinifex>     open FILE, "<$file";
[09:30] <spinifex>     while( defined( my $line = <FILE> )){
[09:30] <spinifex>         chomp($line);
[09:30] <spinifex>         print $line;
[09:31] <jeroen_> tweakism_, you're the best :p
[09:31] <spinifex>     }
[09:31] <tweakism_> jeroen_: It's normally much simpler, for example to replace all Y's with WHY, you do sed -e "s/Y/WHY/g"
[09:31] <spinifex> }
[09:31] <makkia> hello
[09:31] <spinifex> print "\n";
[09:31] <spinifex> oops
[09:31] <spinifex> meant to paste the url
[09:31] <tweakism_> jeroen_: It's hard to replace the newlines, though, because sed splits its input on those.
[09:31] <spinifex> to a pastebin of that
[09:31] <spinifex> anyway, perl script for the guy who asked to chomp
[09:31] <novaflare> man has to be a way to get dual siplays working right with out all the file editing
[09:31] <makkia> my openoffice (1.1.3) in breezy crashes!
[09:31] <jeroen_> tweakism_, thanks for the explanation
[09:31] <jeroen_> makkia, it's Breezy, duh
[09:32] <brush> can anybody help with an easy route question?
[09:32] <spinifex> http://pastebin.com/289209
[09:32] <jeroen_> brush, if it's easy, just ask
[09:32] <jeroen_> who knows, someone might now, brush
[09:32] <brush> my default route keeps coming up wrong
[09:32] <brush> it points to the gw instead of my isp's gw
[09:33] <brush> sorry, it is the gw
[09:33] <jeroen_> tweakism_, you put commas between them though.. gotta fix that ;)
[09:33] <tarvid> brum, that may be right - what sort of gateway
[09:33] <spinifex> jeroen_: that was for you
[09:33] <xukun> Quest-Master, thanks it works, but I just founded out that I dont have a sound
[09:33] <brush> just ipforward, ubuntu machine
[09:33] <tweakism_> jeroen_: Ah, whoops, my bad.  Was a paste from a google.  Should be obvious where to remove the comma from :P
[09:33] <jeroen_> tweakism_, it's no problem ;)
[09:33] <brush> when i restart my network, the default route pts to 192.168.2.1
[09:33] <HiddenWolf> Guys, I just cleanly closed down ubuntu hoary, rebooted, and now I can't mount my / partition, grub error 17
[09:34] <xukun> the master volume is all the way up, but no sound
[09:34] <brush> instead of the isp's gw
[09:34] <brush> i can manually change it and everything is fine
[09:34] <jeroen_> spinifex, thanks, but tweakism_ solved it alright
[09:34] <brush> so, where does the networking startup script get that bad route?
[09:34] <tweakism_> brush: DHCP?
[09:34] <phylus> So I just installed Ubuntu and after a couple reboots, after logging in with gdm I just get a brown screen with a cursor; never see the normal GNOME startup stuff.  Any ideas why?
[09:35] <tweakism_> phylus: Does it have a grey or other color brown border at the top and bottom?
[09:35] <brush> no, DHCP gives the correct route, but when i restart my network it grabs the incorrect route
[09:35] <spinifex> xukun: xukun: there are sound issues in hoary.  Try `sudo killall esd` before running the program you can't get sound from
[09:35] <tarvid> brush, dhcp should get the right gateway
[09:36] <phylus> tweakism_: Nope, just a really light shade of brown it looks like.
[09:36] <klaas> hi @ll
[09:36] <brush> tarvid, DHCP does get the right gw
[09:36] <brush> but if i just restart my network there is a default placed above the DHCP default
[09:37] <tarvid> restarting should invoke a lease shouldn't it
[09:37] <phylus> tweakism_: Oh that's interesting, a couple minutes after letting it sit there it worked.  I wonder if I'm having DNS issues.
[09:37] <brush> tarvid, the DHCP is fine
[09:37] <brush> but, if i restart my network, a default route gets placed above the ISP that points to the gw
[09:37] <tweakism_> phylus: Huh.  For a DNS-timeout-ish length of delay, makes sense I guess.  I don't know much about ubuntu, or gnome, though.
[09:37] <phylus> tweakism_: Just walked out to the laptop I put it on and after about 10 minutes it seems to login.
[09:38] <tarvid> my nat box says among other things option routers 192.168.1.1;
[09:38] <tweakism_> phylus: DNS timeouts are faster than 10min, generally.
[09:38] <tweakism_> poof.
[09:38] <HiddenWolf> Please, I just rebooted ubuntu after installing the hoary kernel update, and now I get a grub error 17, cannot mount partition. Unable to acces grub
[09:38] <brush> tarvid, option routers?
[09:39] <monteiro> my ubuntu when copying programs the mouse stops :( i've dma enabled and all, i don't understand why
[09:39] <spinifex> hiddenwolf: I'm about to do that.  I hope it doesn't happen to me
[09:40] <phylus> tweakism_: Yeah it should be.  I installed it with no network and later had to reboot into single-user because gnome/sudo were going nuts that the hostname wasn't resolvable.  (I couldn't even sudo to change /etc/hosts)
[09:40] <alessandro_> why if I boot Knoppix I can't modify hard disk partition?
[09:40] <HiddenWolf> spinifex, might sound harsh, but I hope it does, then I know what the problem is. :P
[09:41] <spinifex> well here goes.  brb
[09:42] <jeroen_> Aha!!! Found it! Thanks Seveas, tweakism_ spinifex, everyone here. Packages myth is depending on not in main/restricted/universe: libmyth
[09:43] <jcompton> No matter what I select for Default Sink and Default Source in the Multimedia Systems Selector, it either fails to open the pipeline, or just "Testing..."s away in silence. Again, audio worked under warty, so I'm a little confused.
[09:43] <RuffianSoldier> How easy is Wifi in Ubuntu now adays
[09:44] <tweakism_> RuffianSoldier: I've had success installing, going to network config tool from Gnome menu, putting in wifi network details, and it work.
[09:44] <CarlK> phylus - when I have questions about DNS, first thing I do is: run tethereal -l -V port 68
[09:44] <RuffianSoldier> ic
[09:44] <CarlK> phylus - what it shows is amazing
[09:44] <jeroen_> oh, and liblame0 aswell - but that's gpl, right? :/
[09:45] <fidget> hey does anyone know how to scan chatrooms in gaim?
[09:45] <HiddenWolf> Can anyone tell me what grub "error 17, unable to mount partition" is, and how I get around it?
[09:45] <fidget> is it even possible?
[09:45] <spinifex> wee, 686 kernel is much faster
[09:46] <HiddenWolf> Can anyone tell me what grub "error 17, unable to mount partition" is, and how I can fix it?
[09:47] <jeroen_> alright, myth's problems: I think: liblame0!
[09:47] <jeroen_> libmyth0 is probably free aswell, but is excluded for the same reasons as the rest of myth
[09:48] <jeroen_> but lame is Free!
[09:48] <brush> my networking script adds a default route back to the same computer, any ideas?
[09:48] <spinifex> hiddenwolf: that happened to me when I tried to install ubuntu from a scratched CD, and it wasn't able to finish installing the base OS.  I ended up burning a new CD and reinstalling...
[09:48] <spinifex> hiddenwolf: sorry I can't be more helpful.  try google
[09:48] <brush> the computer is acting as ipforward
[09:48] <SlicerDicer> Seveas: I cannot remember what you said the commands were to add dhcp to eth0 :
[09:49] <tweakism_> jeroen_: perhaps LAME includes non-free codecs?
[09:49] <Cyborger> hi
[09:49] <jeroen_> tweakism_, well, it's mp3, but these are in gstreamer-lame aswell
[09:49] <DefHandz> I am having trouble installing Mozilla Active X control to install Steam with Wine. How do I install Mozilla Active X control on Linux??
[09:49] <DefHandz> Kubuntu, to be exacty.
[09:49] <HiddenWolf> Can anyone tell me what grub "error 17, unable to mount partition" is, and how I can fix it?
[09:49] <DefHandz> Hoary
[09:49] <brush> it gets dhcp fine, but there is a default above that
[09:50] <Seveas> SlicerDicer, dhclient3 eth0
[09:50] <tritium> HiddenWolf, you're repeating
[09:50] <klaas> woha :s #kubuntu isnt normal
[09:50] <Cyborger> hi i need some help.. i have configured samba trugh gui and now i need to restart it.. how i do dat.. and i also noticed that i have a lot of programs installed but not in menys.. how i get them there?
[09:50] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, maybe your menu.lst has an error
[09:51] <Seveas> Riddell, ??
[09:51] <DefHandz> ACan anyone help? I am having trouble installing Mozilla Active X control to install Steam with Wine. How do I install Mozilla Active X control on Linux??
[09:51] <jeroen_> DefHandz, I'm pretty sure that's impossible
[09:52] <DefHandz> X_X
[09:52] <DefHandz> Then how do other people do it?
[09:52] <jeroen_> DefHandz, it's windows only
[09:52] <DefHandz> Steam?
[09:52] <SlicerDicer> Seveas: thanks :)
[09:52] <DefHandz> No, with Wine.
[09:52] <DefHandz> -_-
[09:52] <DefHandz> You can install steam with Wine. People have done it.
[09:52] <jeroen_> DefHandz, then you need to run mozilla with wine aswell (right?)
[09:52] <DefHandz> Tried. It can't find a file
[09:52] <DefHandz> I cant I mean
[09:52] <DefHandz> Ill send teh error..
[09:53] <spinifex> hiddenwolf: have fun researching http://www.google.com/search?q=grub+error+17
[09:53] <tehnik> could anyone tell me what should one do to make TV-tuner (I have AverMedia Studio 305) to work in Ubuntu?
[09:53] <Riddell> Seveas: hmm?
[09:53] <Seveas> Riddell, look at #kubuntu...
[09:54] <spinifex> does kubuntu work very well yet?
[09:54] <Cyborger> Ime trying to edit some stuff. and it keeps saying ime not the owner.. when i am.. lol.. what can i do??
[09:55] <jeroen_> Cyborger, sudo
[09:55] <spinifex> cyborger: you could sudo, or chown it to make sure it's yours
[09:55] <jeroen_> Cyborger, http://www.ubuntu.com/support/documentation/faq/root
[09:55] <Cyborger> .. ime not familiar can u elaborate
[09:55] <jeroen_> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/documentation/faq/root
[09:56] <jeroen_> lame is free I'm sure!
[09:56] <stevem> hi, I just installed xfce, but it continuously uses GNOME at startup, how can I change it to run xfce instead?
[09:56] <jeroen_> And it's only dependencies are libc6 and liblame-dev
[09:56] <spinifex> cyborger: say sudo before a command to run that command as root
[09:56] <jeroen_> Stevem, log out, click sessions, select XFCE
[09:56] <stevem> I think I'm stuck in xdm
[09:57] <stevem> so I don't think there's even a sessions :/
[09:57] <jeroen_> stevem, type in username+password, it'll say "hey, you want XFCE, right? Make it default?"
[09:57] <stevem> hmm, it doesn't ask me though :/
[09:57] <stevem> the only way I've ever gotten it to run XFCE is when I use startxfce4
[09:58] <jeroen_> stevem, when you click session -> XFCE ?
[09:58] <Seveas> stevem, you can select it under sessions in gdm (provided you run gdm)
[09:58] <jeroen_> in gdm
[09:58] <stevem> when I log out, I see XDM, and XDM doesn't show sessions :/
[09:58] <stevem> how do I use GDM instead of XDM
[09:58] <jeroen_> xdm :-/ I don't really now that
[09:58] <stevem> that way I can do what you guys said :P
[09:58] <Seveas> sudo aptitude install gdm
[09:58] <spinifex> aptitude?
[09:58] <stevem> actually I think it's already installed
[09:59] <tritium> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[09:59] <Cyborger> i did as it said.. and i still cant edit my conf files...
[09:59] <stevem> there we go tritium  :)
[09:59] <stevem> thanks
[09:59] <tritium> stevem, sure :)
[10:00] <stevem> initscript gdm, action "reload" failed
[10:00] <stevem> hopefully that's not a big deal :)
[10:00] <stevem> this machine just randomly locks up a lot, I think it has some bad RAM...
[10:00] <spinifex> cyborger: you mean you said something like `sudo emacs thefilename`?  (with whatever text editor in place of emacs)
[10:00] <Seveas> stevem, boot into memtest86 then
[10:01] <Cyborger> no
[10:01] <spinifex> well, try it
[10:01] <Cyborger> i just need to get acces to the ADMIn accoint
[10:01] <stevem> well, even if it has bad ram, I'm not going to be able to buy ram for it anyways :P
[10:01] <Jeroen__> ican play mp files but i dont hear sound? what to do?
[10:01] <Cyborger> so i can edit
[10:01] <Seveas> Cyborger, sudo -i will give you a root shell
[10:01] <Seveas> Cyborger, read wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:03] <stevem> ok, rebooting with gdm hopefully :)
[10:03] <stevem> thanks again guys
[10:03] <Jormundgand> Now, how do I get this volume control widget to change the volume of the sound from my USB headphones which use ALSA? Currently it only shows OSS devices.
[10:04] <MrMaDSeN> anyone here?
[10:04] <Cyborger> But.. is there a command i can use which will make my account over all admin always.. so i can edit what i want when i want were i want.,.. trugh gui
[10:04] <Jormundgand> (Contrary to the advice of the topic I'm using Breezy because I find it fun to break my system and then try to fix it.)
[10:04] <jeroen_> MrMaDSeN, lots of people here! 505 of them
[10:04] <jeroen_> Cyborger, gksudo programname
[10:04] <MrMaDSeN> any easy way to install Sun's java with apt-get install ?
[10:05] <jeroen_> MrMaDSeN, http://ubuntuguide.org/
[10:05] <Cyborger> programname.. of each program i want to edit??
[10:05] <tritium> MrMaDSeN, download the .bin from sun, then use make-jpkg (after installing java-package) to create a .deb
[10:06] <Randpoger> hallo jemand deutsch hier?
[10:06] <mcquaid> j2re is available in universe isn't it
[10:06] <tritium> no
[10:06] <mcquaid> i installed it via apt/synaptic
[10:06] <Randpoger> hmm...
[10:06] <spinifex> cyborger: when you want to run a program as root, write sudo or gksudo before it in the commandline.  Ubuntu automatically runs gksudo when you run a gui program that requires root
[10:06] <Cyborger> yes.. but i cant open the conf from gui\
[10:06] <mcquaid> my mistake java is in backports
[10:06] <Cyborger> coz it says its readonly
[10:06] <Cyborger> cant u just ahve root acces on my account??
[10:07] <Cyborger> and i do what i want on all ?
[10:07] <spinifex> cyborger: security hazard
[10:07] <jeroen_> After looking at all dependencies I see *zero* reason why lame and mythtv are in multiverse, not universe
[10:07] <Cyborger> secuity for who??
[10:07] <Cyborger> ime the only one using it
[10:07] <spinifex> for you, in case somebody hax0rz j00 and logs in as root
[10:07] <Cyborger> will it be affected on the net?
[10:07] <jeroen_> Cyborger, http://www.ubuntu.com/support/documentation/faq/root it explains the security issues aswell
[10:07] <tritium> jeroen_, patent-encumbered codecs
[10:07] <Cyborger> ime not so concerned
[10:08] <jeroen_> tritium, so it's because of lame? But gstreamer-lame is in universe!!!
[10:08] <Riddell> Seveas: sorted now, sorry for the delay
[10:08] <Cyborger> coz ime the only one in the hosue who uses my pc's.. lol
[10:08] <tritium> Cyborger, this is more detailed: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:08] <Cyborger> can i do what i  said..
[10:08] <Cyborger> give root acces to all
[10:08] <tritium> jeroen_, no...
[10:08] <Seveas> Riddell, np it's your channel ;)
[10:08] <Sethos> hmm.. is there a controller for the driver for synaptics for the x.org server? i cant find one
[10:08] <spinifex> cyborger: you can use the root account if you so want to.  Just say 'sudo passwd' and give it a password, and then you'll be able to login as 'root'
[10:09] <Cyborger> ok
[10:09] <jeroen_> tritium, so it's because of mythtv patent encumbering? Is there a page with more info on this?
[10:09] <Cyborger> lemme c
[10:09] <jeroen_> tritium, which explains the reasons for putting it in multiverse? I'm googling the subject now
[10:09] <jeroen_> spinifex, you can't login that way
[10:09] <tritium> jeroen_, no, it's not in the mythtv code
[10:09] <jeroen_> spinifex, not with gdm anyway
[10:10] <spinifex> jeroen_: really?  I haven't tried it, but I recall a faq...  *looks around*
[10:10] <SlicerDicer-> question for you guys... I have no sound and I unmuted everyting is there something special I need to do with a audigy 2 to get it to work?
[10:10] <jeroen_> you need to (un?)check a box in gdm settings for that spinifex
[10:11] <spinifex> cyborger: besides, you can just go to Applications->System Tools->Root Terminal
[10:11] <jeroen_> spinifex, cyborger has left
[10:11] <spinifex> slicerdicer: hoary has sound issues.  Try saying sudo killall esd before running the program in question
[10:12] <SlicerDicer-> I dont have esd running
[10:12] <spinifex> oh.  dunno then
[10:13] <sysdebug> Hi.. what is a default root password for the ubuntu 5.04 ...
[10:13] <spinifex> sysdebug: there is none.  sudo passwd sets one I believe
[10:13] <HiddenWolf> sysdebug, root isn't enabled by default
[10:13] <jeroen_> sysdebug, http://www.ubuntu.com/support/documentation/faq/root
[10:13] <spinifex> sysdebug: but ubuntu likes it better if you use sudo all the time instead, or open a root terminal
[10:14] <sysdebug> Thanks!!!
[10:14] <SlicerDicer-> spinifex, I am stubborn I go directly to SU otherwise I go batty not being able to do whatever I want quickly :)
[10:14] <jcompton> spin: The killall esd "fix" doesn't seem to be helping me. Is there anything else I can do, or am I simply stuck with a silent Ubuntu install until and unless this gets worked out?
[10:14] <HiddenWolf> can anyone here tell me what it means if fdisk can't open my /dev/sda
[10:15] <spinifex> hmm.  *looks for the ubuntu sound faq*
[10:15] <SlicerDicer-> jcompton, what are you using for sound card?
[10:15] <Sethos> hmm.. is there a controller for the driver for synaptics for the x.org server? i cant find one
[10:16] <blablablabla> why is there no modconf in Ubuntu? is there any alternative frontend?
[10:16] <spinifex> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats   The sound setup on this page helped me out.  I don't know if you have the same problem though
[10:17] <jcompton> Slicer: This laptop has a Creative EV1938. Which, again, worked trouble-free in the previous edition.
[10:17] <nickrud> blablablabla, rcconf is in universe
[10:18] <blablablabla> nickrud: thanks, I'll have a look ...
[10:19] <nickrud> blablablabla, it's a front-end to update-rc.d, the official runlevel setter
[10:19] <blablablabla> no, I'm searching for tool to configure kernelmodules
[10:19] <nickrud> doh, I need to get my new glasses soon
[10:20] <SlicerDicer-> god damn digital output
[10:21] <blablablabla> what's the ubuntu way to configure kernelmodules?
[10:21] <SlicerDicer-> hey jcompton and spinifex perhaps take a gander at this http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-18802.html
[10:21] <SlicerDicer-> google be ye friend! :)
[10:21] <SlicerDicer-> speaking about the digital/analog output that is what muted my sound
[10:21] <Jimbob> blablablabla: You mean to load them, or select them while compiling your own kernel?
[10:21] <topyli> blablablabla: there's no ubuntu way that i know of
[10:22] <blablablabla> in debian there is modconf, where I select modules to get loaded and specify parameters which then gets saved load them again after rebooting ..
[10:22] <topyli> blablablabla: oh, modconf is there isn't it?
[10:22] <SlicerDicer-> jcompton, did that help?
[10:23] <blablablabla> not for me ...
[10:23] <topyli> blablablabla: blimey, it's not there. that's not good
[10:24] <jcompton> Slicer: I'm afraid I don't really see a suggested fix in there, aside from "install KDE." Am I missing something?
[10:24] <semi> is there any way to get nvidia glx working on the livecd?
[10:24] <SlicerDicer-> jcompton, you dont need ke
[10:24] <jcompton> Ah, alsamixer. Let's see.
[10:24] <SlicerDicer-> err kde
[10:24] <zoro> any chance someone could help me out with some PXE problems?
[10:25] <SlicerDicer-> jcompton, what it is saying is that if you have a digital out jack maybe its unmuted not allowing sound out the main jacks "my problem" but who knows you can do that with kmix or gnome-alsamixer or somethign like that
[10:25] <SlicerDicer-> jcompton, does that make sence?
[10:25] <MrMaDSeN> thnx for your help folks ! Those who did help me  :))
[10:25] <jcompton> Slicer: I am simply using the internal laptop speakers. No fancy digital out anything.
[10:25] <blablablabla> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/modconf/, its there but no deb's
[10:25] <zoro> semi: probably not from the live cd no, but from the install - yeah
[10:26] <SlicerDicer-> hmm jcompton did  you run alsamixer in the terminal and make sure everything was unmuted?
[10:26] <Seveas> blablablabla, maybe they are ftbfs
[10:26] <semi> alright, thanks
[10:26] <Seveas> see people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs
[10:27] <SlicerDicer-> jcompton, lspci to see what your controller is and perhaps modprobe it and see what happens? or google it and see what the module is then modprobe it :)
[10:27] <zoro> .:21:25:27:. < zoro> any chance someone could help me out with some PXE problems?
[10:27] <SlicerDicer-> jcompton, I am just throwing ideas cause I have never dealt with anything other than onboard nvidia sound or audigy.... so I am just guessing sorry :/
[10:27] <Bill___> Newbie here-- how do I burn 5.04 onto a disc after I've downloaded it?
[10:28] <topyli> blablablabla: modconf is not in debian either anymore it seems. there's only a package for stable
[10:29] <anto9us> Bill___:  do you have cd burning software?
[10:29] <Bill___> yes
[10:29] <anto9us> Bill___: you need to tell it to burn an image and then point at the .iso file
[10:30] <topyli> blablablabla: the youngest bug filed against it is 1 yr 171 d old :(
[10:30] <jcompton> Slicer: lspci returns 0000:00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs Ectiva EV1938
[10:30] <blablablabla> topyli: that's nothing new in debian ;-)
[10:30] <SlicerDicer-> hang on jcompton
[10:31] <topyli> blablablabla: hey, the oldest bug just turned 10 :)
[10:31] <Bill___> anto9us:  not to sound dumb about this, but I take it that's after I extract what I've downloaded from the ubuntu website?
[10:31] <jcompton> Slicer: And yes, I attempted to unmute everything in the terminal mixer, it appears I was successful.
[10:31] <jcompton> (but still no audio, it's just all unmuted.)
[10:31] <anto9us> Bill___: extract from the iso image? no, burn the iso
[10:31] <blablablabla> topyli: hm many open source projects don't turn 10 ... so it seems like a quite good program
[10:31] <SlicerDicer-> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Creative_Labs#matrix I dont see it listed in there jcompton :/
[10:32] <anto9us> Bill___: it's important to tell you software to burn an image and not just to write the file on a disc
[10:32] <topyli> blablablabla: no, the 10 year old bug not against modconf, it's an X bug or something
[10:32] <jcompton> Slicer: But it worked under the previous edition of Ubuntu...
[10:32] <jcompton> So, clearly, at some point this computer knew how to play audio in Linux. :)
[10:33] <tortho> Hi, where do i start/stop services under kde in ubuntu?
[10:33] <blablablabla> topyli: as long as its not release critical ... who cares ;-)
[10:34] <SlicerDicer-> jcompton, I dont know what to say  :/
[10:34] <SlicerDicer-> jcompton, brb I got to restart x
[10:34] <topyli> blablablabla: it's against twm. bug #725, submitted on 2 Apr 1995 :)
[10:35] <topyli> but twm seems to work fine =)
[10:36] <Razor-X> twm ;)
[10:36] <Razor-X> now that's a nice server ;)
[10:36] <Razor-X> I can't _stand_ TWM, it reminds me of errors I had on my first Linux distro
[10:37] <topyli> tortho: in kde, i guess you use konsole. but there's sysv-rc-conf too
[10:37] <topyli> tortho: which is an interactive console gui
[10:38] <Riddell> topyli: you can install ksysv
[10:38] <topyli> Razor-X: don't blame twm for *your* errors
[10:38] <Riddell> I havn't tried it
[10:38] <topyli> Riddell: oh. i haven't seen kde in years :)
[10:38] <topyli> now don't get me wrong. i don't actually use twm either :)
[10:39] <Riddell> not topyli then, tortho
[10:39] <Razor-X> topyli: yeah, but people have a tendancy to assosciate bad times with the things they were doing att hat time
[10:39] <Riddell> silly tab completion
[10:39] <Tyche> where is the file for the eth settings?
[10:39] <Razor-X> my favorite Window Managers are KDE and XFce
[10:40] <topyli> Razor-X: i know. afterstep was the default on RH-5.0, when i had my hard times. i wouldn't touch it now
[10:40] <Razor-X> yeah, heh
[10:40] <Lafitte-> anyone have problems connecting to vertain Ap's with Ubuntu ?
[10:41] <nqt> how can I turn off the noise in terminals?
[10:42] <Razor-X> noise?
[10:42] <nqt> yeah, it beeps at me
[10:42] <pfp> nqt: ~/.inputrc
[10:42] <tortho> topyli: i will download it for the konsole, but i cant find any place in kde to do it..
[10:42] <ubuntu__> pal
[10:43] <pfp> nqt: or /etc/inputrc, put 'set bell-style visible' there
[10:43] <Riddell> tortho: what are you looking for?
[10:43] <topyli> tortho: apt-get it in konsole :)
[10:43] <pfp> actually that affects bash (libreadline) but prolly does what you want
[10:43] <nqt> it still beeps at me when I backspace too much though
[10:44] <anto9us> Lafitte-: I've connected to 5 different models of AP with this laptop with no problems
[10:44] <pfp> did you log out & back in, or start a new shell
[10:44] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  i seem to have issues with connecting to certain ones
[10:44] <HiddenWolf> Guys, My partition table is fucked up, the harddisk is alive, but the filesystem is corrupt, it wont' recognise partitions anymore. Any idea how I can fix that
[10:44] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  dont get dhcp info  or something
[10:44] <Lafitte-> anto9us, but then i come ot my house    and it dhcp   instantly
[10:44] <tortho> Riddell: i'm looking for a nice GUI for starting/stoping and putting services to Auto.
[10:44] <anto9us> Lafitte-: maybe they're set to 54Mb only
[10:45] <topyli> tortho: actually, apt-get ksysv like Riddell said
[10:45] <Riddell> tortho: try ksysv
[10:45] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  you know     thats possible  and im B only
[10:45] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  never thought about that
[10:45] <anto9us> Lafitte-: I was caught out with one of them with that :)
[10:45] <nqt> pfp, both
[10:46] <HiddenWolf> Please, anyone, help me.
[10:46] <Lafitte-> anto9us, ill check that out
[10:46] <pfp> nqt: hmm, maybe you have set bell-style defined twice somewhere
[10:46] <Razor-X> HiddenWolf: do you care about the data that's on it already?
[10:46] <tortho> Thanks Riddell & topyli, Is it someone in here now wich uses kylix with hoary?
[10:47] <nqt> pfp, ah, got it- I just put it in ~/.inputrc, that worked.. thanks
[10:48] <HiddenWolf> Razor-X, yeah, it's my main harddisk, about 120gb of dearly loved data
[10:48] <DeadlyNightshade> hi guys
[10:48] <HiddenWolf> Razor-X, probably the mbr that's corrupt
[10:48] <DeadlyNightshade> ack, thats a bitch to sort HiddenWolf
[10:49] <topyli> HiddenWolf: do you have a live linux cd handy?
[10:49] <DeadlyNightshade> hi tatster
[10:49] <HiddenWolf> I tried using a windows-installcd to run fixmbr, then livecd and mount /dev/sda, but fdisk says that it can't find the disk
[10:49] <HiddenWolf> deadlynightshade, yeah
[10:49] <DeadlyNightshade> voice of experience, I keep trashing that
[10:50] <DeadlyNightshade> this may be a silly question, but can you use wireless straight off the bat with the latest ubuntu livecd?
[10:50] <topyli> HiddenWolf: no backups of the data?
[10:50] <tatster> hi - can someone tell me what I app I should use for connecting to serial device (cisco switch console connection) - something like Hyperterminal in Windows
[10:50] <pfp> minicom
[10:50] <HiddenWolf> topyli, old backups, and not all of it, not of my video/music collections, for instance
[10:50] <pfp> iirc
[10:50] <HiddenWolf> I *need to* get at that data
[10:50] <nqt> if cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp doesn't play any static, what else could it be?
[10:51] <shinu> my usb mouse suddenly stopped working
[10:51] <shinu> when i do a tail -f /var/log/messages and i plug it in, it says usbmouse : blacklisted
[10:51] <shinu> might this be the problem?
[10:52] <topyli> HiddenWolf: then you have to mount the disk one way or another. perhaps you should see if http://www.sysresccd.org/ can help
[10:52] <HiddenWolf> topyli, can you give me any pionters?
[10:54] <topyli> HiddenWolf: not really. i've never been into such a situation. perhaps your partition table is screwed, which could be repaired with much hard work
[10:54] <DeadlyNightshade> ignore previous question found something onsite
[10:54] <goldfish> em
[10:54] <shinu> i can move the mouse but not use the buttons... and the scroll
[10:54] <HiddenWolf> topyli, how is that possible?
[10:55] <phenotype> anyone feel like telling a noob how to install a program
[10:55] <topyli> HiddenWolf: you should have a copy of the table, or visit a filesystem guru :(
[10:55] <DeadlyNightshade> phenotype, I'd love to, but I dont know myself
[10:56] <LazySod> phenotype, try the synaptec package manager...
[10:56] <RuffianSoldier> Whats the best USB Wifi adapter to use with Ubuntu?
[10:56] <phenotype> in that case... is there a faq somewhere that i can read a FAQ
[10:56] <RuffianSoldier> Whats the best USB Wifi adapter to use with Ubuntu?
[10:56] <LazySod> phenotyp, there is a wiki... somewhere...
[10:56] <HiddenWolf> topyli, where would I be able to find help?
[10:57] <topyli> phenotype: there's basic information right at the ubuntu website
[10:57] <nickrud> phenotype, synaptic has a quick introduction under help
[10:57] <anto9us> RuffianSoldier: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[10:57] <phenotype> info dealing with .tar.gz
[10:57] <RuffianSoldier> ty
[10:57] <pfp> phenotype: did you try apt / synaptic already?
[10:58] <topyli> HiddenWolf: i'd go to usenet. perhaps comp.os.linux.misc for starters. or just pay somebody to help me
[10:58] <phenotype> na
[10:58] <HiddenWolf> topyli, any idea where I might find someone?
[10:58] <phenotype> where can i find that synaptic?
[10:58] <nickrud> phenotype, you probably won't need the tar.gz, what is it exactly?
[10:58] <pfp> phenotype: top menu-> system-administration-synaptic package mgr
[10:58] <phenotype> gftp
[10:58] <phenotype> thx pfp
[10:59] <topyli> HiddenWolf: not really. where are you on Earth?
[10:59] <nickrud> phenotype, gftp is available in universe
[10:59] <m4x> anyone here running dual flat-panel monitors in ubuntu?
[10:59] <phenotype> universe?
[10:59] <topyli> HiddenWolf: i mean, a big US city is luckier than eastern russia for example
[11:00] <lewiz> Hey -- where can I find out what changes were made with the new kernel update in Hoary?
[11:00] <lewiz> m4x: I am.
[11:00] <m4x> lewiz, any problems getting it setup?
[11:00] <tritium> lewiz, /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/changelog.Debian.gz
[11:00] <tritium> (for any package)
[11:00] <DeadlyNightshade> see you all later
[11:00] <nickrud> phenotype, it's a repository of software that you can install
[11:00] <phenotype> ok
[11:01] <lewiz> m4x: Depends how you mean.  What card/driver are you using?  I had no trouble with a Radeon 9200SE, Quadro 4 NVS280 or even the Matrox P650 (new driver).
[11:01] <pfp> phenotype: .. and the repositories are available through synaptic
[11:01] <lewiz> tritium: Thanks,
[11:01] <nqt> is there a reason for various critical system configurations being so backwards in debian-derived stuff?
[11:01] <phenotype> kk thansk
[11:01] <m4x> lewiz, nvidia card, using a cable splitter (not two cards)
[11:01] <nickrud> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats is the first place you want to visit
[11:01] <lewiz> m4x: Yeah, no trouble at all.  The nvidia driver is really easy to set up.
[11:01] <m4x> lewiz, justed wanted to make sure it was doable before wiping out FC3 :_
[11:02] <pfp> phenotype: also http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:02] <m4x> lewiz, ty for the info
[11:02] <tritium> nqt, care to elaborate?
[11:03] <phenotype> ok, found it in synaptic... whats the diffrence btw gftp-gtk and gftp-common?
[11:03] <lewiz> tritium: Damn.  And here was me hoping for an update to inotify :P
[11:03] <nqt> tritium, modifying bootup, even with rcconf is totally non-fun, what's up with /etc/defaults, the loopback device occasionally decides not to go up, and my sound isn't being very nice right now either
[11:03] <HiddenWolf> topyli, I'm in the Netherlands
[11:04] <pfp> phenotype: install the -gtk, that pulls -common along - you need both
[11:04] <phenotype> ko
[11:04] <phenotype> ok
[11:04] <nqt> the way gentoo is laid out is so logical... perhaps there's reasoning to deb-stuff?
[11:04] <topyli> HiddenWolf: that's pretty good. you will find specialists. but you don't want to pay their fees for your music and movies. i'd try usenet
[11:05] <HiddenWolf> topyli, At this moment, I just want a solution, and I don't care much about cost, so if you have any idea, please let me know
[11:05] <CarlK> HiddenWolf - hang on...
[11:06] <topyli> HiddenWolf: you want more local advice
[11:06] <phenotype> awesome, thanks everyone
[11:06] <CarlK> I am pretty sure there is a magic partition builder thingy
[11:06] <HiddenWolf> topyli, I want a years worth of university work, for starters. :S
[11:07] <HiddenWolf> topyli, and I want to get rid of the feeling that I'm about to get a heart-attack
[11:07] <topyli> HiddenWolf: oh, your own work. now i understand
[11:07] <eruin> is there a way to actually save your preferred resolution?
[11:07] <eruin> I keep getting 1600x1200 everytime I log in :/
[11:09] <HiddenWolf> topyli, it's everything, from email to work, 40 cd's ripped to .flac, and everything I ever downloaded and liked.
[11:09] <CarlK> HiddenWolf - http://linux-universe.com/HOWTO/LILO-crash-rescue-HOWTO/disk_partition_rescue.html
[11:09] <CarlK> good place to start
[11:09] <maccorin> hello
[11:10] <eruin> I have the feeling HiddenWolf has done something *bad* ? :o
[11:10] <HiddenWolf> CarlK, thanks
[11:10] <topyli> HiddenWolf: that's a lot to trust on a hard disk, forgive me for saying so right now :(
[11:10] <maccorin> has anyone used linux-wlan-ng on ubuntu?
[11:10] <HiddenWolf> topyli, this system is not even 2 months old, and it's a server-grade disk, was planning to go to raid as soon as I had the money
[11:11] <HiddenWolf> FYI, I'm now running on a 4-year old ide disk my gaming-winblows
[11:11] <anto9us> HiddenWolf: there are data recovery companies out there, they mostly charge a fortune and give no guarantees of any data being recovered. The trouble with someone inexperienced attempting it though is that it might do more harm than good.
[11:11] <topyli> HiddenWolf: raid doesn't solve the problem. what if the machine gets on fire?
[11:11] <eruin> lol
[11:11] <HiddenWolf> topyli, Then I hope to die with it
[11:12] <eruin> seriously though... don't you have your uni work at a uni server somewhere?
[11:12] <topyli> HiddenWolf: you need to keep copies on separate sides of town/country/globe
[11:12] <eruin> that's what I do to all my work anyway
[11:13] <eruin> topyli, what if the other side of the globe got struck by a tsunami ?
[11:13] <pfp> HiddenWolf: a good idea now probably would be backup the entire messed-up disk before repairing it, with dd if=/dev/hdx of=/dev/hdy
[11:13] <pfp> (in case you hadn't already)
[11:13] <topyli> eruin: the other side might be ok :)
[11:13] <eruin> topyli, that already burned ;)
[11:13] <HiddenWolf> pfp, I don't have ~120gb free, really. :S
[11:13] <pfp> :(
[11:14] <topyli> eruin: i'm happy enough keep two backups on different parts of town. if the whole city blows up, i probably don't care because i'm gone as well
[11:14] <anto9us> HiddenWolf: you have any techy colleagues at uni who might help?
[11:14] <HiddenWolf> anto9us, I might try
[11:15] <HiddenWolf> I'd just like to know what's going wrong
[11:15] <topyli> HiddenWolf: it would be best if you somehow, with somebody's help, could mount the freaking disk
[11:16] <HiddenWolf> I rebooted, got to grub, then got an error 17, put windows-cd in it, did fixmbr, mounted livecd, tried to 'fdisk /dev/sda', and got an error
[11:16] <HiddenWolf> windows installer doesn't see the disk
[11:16] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, loose sata plug?
[11:16] <HiddenWolf> I've now downloaded some windows recovery utility, and it sees the disk and it's partitions
[11:16] <Seveas> hmm
[11:16] <topyli> HiddenWolf: uhh... /dev/sda is not a partition
[11:16] <Seveas>  /dev/sda1 is the partition
[11:16] <pfp> HiddenWolf: does /proc/partitions have correct info (if you boot with the disk in a 2nd system)
[11:17] <HiddenWolf> topyli, fdisk /dev/hda does mount the disk
[11:17] <HiddenWolf> fdisk /dev/sda doesn't
[11:17] <Choubaka> mount?
[11:17] <HiddenWolf> I'm not talking mount, I'm using fdisk
[11:17] <CarlK> fdisk mounts?
[11:17] <Marble2> What's the simplest program out there to randomly select an image from a folder, and change my background to that random image every X minutes?
[11:17] <topyli> fdisk doesn't mount anything
[11:17] <HiddenWolf> Choubaka, no it doesn't, just a word I grabbed
[11:17] <Choubaka> :P
[11:18] <HiddenWolf> topyli, it is good that this utility can see the partition table, right?
[11:18] <topyli> HiddenWolf: fdisk -l /dev/sda (or hda) should show the partition table, and you'd be better off
[11:19] <HiddenWolf> topyli, my point is that fdisk /dev/sda gives an error, while fdisk /dev/hda does not
[11:19] <anto9us> Marble2: maybe cron and a shell script, I wouldn't be surprised if there's one out there waiting to be googled
[11:19] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, yes it is good that it sees them
[11:19] <topyli> HiddenWolf: out of my league, i've always had ide disks
[11:19] <Seveas> that means they are still there :)
[11:19] <HiddenWolf> Seveas, we can only hope
[11:20] <Seveas> but do the /proc/partitions trick
[11:20] <ivoks> Marble2: /dev/random
[11:20] <HiddenWolf> seveas, I'm concentrating on not getting a heartattack
[11:20] <ivoks> Marble2: or /dev/urandom
[11:20] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, don't worry
[11:21] <HiddenWolf> Seveas, I'd just like to figure out exactly what is wrong. If this tool can see the partition table, it should still be intact, right?
[11:21] <andrewski> where does someone go to get gnome help? :P  my custom-set keyboard shortcuts are not saving when i close nautilus; where are they stored?
[11:21] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, i'd guess
[11:21] <ivoks> Marble2: apt-get install chbg
[11:21] <Seveas> can't this tool mount or copy?
[11:22] <topyli> HiddenWolf: if your partition table is ok, you most likely have the partitions ok
[11:22] <Marble2> ty
[11:22] <HiddenWolf> topyli, so how do I figure if the table is ok? :)
[11:22] <topyli> HiddenWolf: well, fdisk lists it doesn't it?
[11:22] <CarlK> HiddenWolf - did you read that howto yet? ;)
[11:23] <HiddenWolf> CarlK, I'm trying, but it's too technical for me
[11:23] <topyli> andrewski: i'd go to #gnome on gimpnet
[11:23] <topyli> or here :)
[11:24] <CarlK> HiddenWolf - hitt
[11:24] <andrewski> topyli: yeah, but there's no help to be offered there.  (i'm already in that room.)
[11:24] <CarlK> HiddenWolf - hit "prev" a few times to get to the intro, or here: http://linux-universe.com/HOWTO/LILO-crash-rescue-HOWTO/introduction.html
[11:24] <andrewski> so hasn't anyone customised their nautilus keyboard shortcuts?
[11:24] <CarlK> read all of it, then ask more questions
[11:25] <topyli> andrewski: the shortcuts should be gconf's business, so that's what must be screwing them up
[11:26] <andrewski> topyli: does it need to be running, or does nautilus just write to my gconf dir (and which is that)?
[11:26] <topyli> andrewski: gconfd is run by gnome-session
[11:26] <andrewski> topyli: well, technically, i'm in Xfce. :)
[11:26] <topyli> ah
[11:26] <andrewski> topyli: but gconfd should be running?
[11:27] <topyli> andrewski: you can check. 'ps aux | grep gconf'
[11:27] <andrewski> topyli: gconfd-2 (two of them)
[11:28] <topyli> i wonder why two? i have two as well :)
[11:28] <tjl2> hello
[11:29] <tjl2> is anyone going to sit in on the general meeting?
[11:29] <topyli> andrewski: anyway, i don't actually use nautilus much so i haven't customized it
[11:29] <andrewski> topyli: could you try to see if you can confirm?
[11:29] <topyli> ok. what did you do?
[11:29] <anto9us> tjl2: what general meeting?
[11:30] <Seveas> CC meeting
[11:30] <andrewski> topyli: you know how to do that 'hover-mouse-over-menu-entry-and-press-desired-keyboard-shortcut-to-set' method?
[11:30] <wdh> Seveas, CC?
[11:30] <Seveas> at 22:00 UTC (in 30 minutes that is)
[11:30] <Seveas> Community Council
[11:30] <tjl2> the one in #ubuntu-meeting
[11:30] <topyli> andrewski: eh? :)
[11:31] <andrewski> topyli: oh, it's very cool (when it works, which is always but now :P).
[11:32] <tjl2> does anyone know what's happened to the old Gnome menu option where you could add a new item to the menu? it seems to have disappeared in the version shipped with Hoary
[11:32] <andrewski> topyli: just hover your mouse over a menu entry (let's try View | Side Pane) and press they key you want to set (or Delete to delete :P).
[11:32] <andrewski> i tried setting it to F4
[11:32] <topyli> ok
[11:32] <andrewski> which works until i close/reopen nautilus.
[11:32] <tjl2> i think you used to right-click and select 'Entire Menu'
[11:32] <nickrud> tjl2, it was removed from gnome 2.10, should be back for 2.12
[11:33] <tjl2> nickrud, cheers - i thought it seemd like a bit of a step back
[11:33] <tjl2> glad it's going to make a return
[11:33] <Seveas> tjl2, there is a nice menu editor though
[11:33] <Seveas> it's called smeg, you should poke Amaranth about it
[11:33] <nickrud> tjl2, they didn't like the way it was working, so it got cut
[11:34] <tjl2> oh, I've never spotted that
[11:34] <tjl2> 'smeg' is the name of the menu editor?
[11:34] <topyli> andrewski: actually, it stays at the default F9, doesn't set it to F4 to begin with
[11:34] <andrewski> smeg = Simple Menu Editor for Gnome
[11:34] <andrewski> topyli: oh, er...
[11:35] <tjl2> Red Dwarf references will haunt OS projects forever ;-)
[11:35] <andrewski> topyli: add 'gtk-can-change-accels = 1' to your ~/.gtkrc-2.0
[11:35] <topyli> ah
[11:35] <alwaysmodest> anyone have any troubles installing hoary on a ppc?
[11:35] <andrewski> topyli: try it out and let me know; in the meantime, i'm searching bugzilla.
[11:35] <topyli> yep
[11:36] <londonboi> Hi guys, I have just repartitioned my HD under debian, its all up and running fine except for this error message, "Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy" any ideas on the problem. I know this is sorta the wrong channel but the debian guys dont seem to answer ;) Thanks
[11:36] <cliebow_> anyone give me a default config for dhcpd.conf..network-admin just locks up
[11:37] <alwaysmodest> well i can get it to load up fine on my imac g3.... but when it comes to my beige g3...
[11:37] <alwaysmodest> so if anyone has an advice?
[11:38] <HiddenWolf> topyli, while I'm waiting to calm down, do you have any idea on how I can try to find out what exactly is wrong with my disk?
[11:38] <tarvid> is there a way to get ubuntu to redo hardware detection
[11:38] <Escipion> hi there
[11:38] <tjl2> hello
[11:39] <topyli> HiddenWolf: not really :(
[11:39] <tarvid> for example, i plugged in a dub-e100 USB Nic
[11:39] <tarvid> what would i do to get ubuntu to try and configure that?
[11:40] <andrewski> alwaysmodest: well, that isn't very modest!
[11:41] <Escipion> guys, I have a question : How can I make nautilus to not to pop-up a new window each time I click on a folder ? I just want to be on the same window all the time.
[11:41] <Escipion> I think this "feature" of opening new windows is called "espatial" nautilus
[11:41] <andrewski> Escipion: in gconf
[11:41] <Escipion> but I don't like it
[11:41] <andrewski> Escipion: many don't. :P
[11:41] <Escipion> andrewski : where is gconf ?
[11:42] <andrewski> Escipion: open gconf-editor
[11:42] <topyli> andrewski: it worked after i changed the value in gconf-editor
[11:42] <andrewski> topyli: which value? :)
[11:43] <Escipion> andrewski : just type "gconf-editor" into the run applet ?
[11:43] <topyli> andrewski: hold on, i forgot. i searched :)
[11:43] <andrewski> Escipion: go to apps/nautilus/preferences and set always_use_browser.
[11:43] <Escipion> andrewski : ok thanks
[11:43] <topyli> andrewski: /desktop/gnome/interface/can_change_accels
[11:44] <andrewski> topyli: damn, why is that hidden?!
[11:44] <topyli> andrewski: nah, didn't work after i killall'd nautilus :(
[11:44] <andrewski> topyli: wait, you mean you have the same problem?
[11:44] <topyli> this is a bug
[11:44] <wdh> now that we are discussing nautilus: when dragging a set of files from one nautilus window to another (e.g. copy), it starts with the last file instead of the first one. Anyone knows how to fix this?
[11:44] <topyli> andrewski: yes, it's a bug obviously
[11:45] <wdh> my mp3 player considers the file placed first as no.1 etc..
[11:45] <andrewski> topyli: ok, i'll post on bugzilla (there's nothing there ATM).  do you want me to post the link when i'm done?
[11:45] <topyli> yeah, i want to see how progress goes :)
[11:45] <Escipion> wdh : indeed... annoying behaviour ... but in windows it's like that I think
[11:45] <andrewski> topyli: ok, brb.
[11:45] <andrewski> Escipion: is it?
[11:45] <Escipion> andrewski : I think it is, isn't it ?
[11:46] <andrewski> Escipion: maybe it's configurable; i certainly never had it like that.
[11:46] <wdh> Escipion, i dont care about how it is in windows
[11:46] <dave_> I find it annoying Openoffice.org 2.0 comes with GCC 4.0
[11:46] <wdh> Escipion, just want it to start with the first file
[11:46] <DenisG> hello everybody
[11:46] <Escipion> wdh : no idea sorry
[11:46] <LazySod> hi
[11:46] <LazySod> bye
[11:46] <alwaysmodest> hey wdh
[11:46] <andrewski> wdh: i always selected the last file first.
[11:46] <dave_> This makes it nigh on impossible to get both VMWare and my ATI (fglrx) working.
[11:47] <DenisG> i'd like to install ubuntu onto a harddisk i connected temporarily to my computer
[11:47] <andrewski> wdh: dumb workaround, but it is like that in windows also.
[11:47] <DenisG> how do i do that?
[11:47] <dave_> Ok, DenisG .
[11:47] <andrewski> Escipion: didn't realize you were talking to wdh there. :P
[11:47] <dave_> DenisG, what kind of drive?
[11:47] <Escipion> andrewski : no prob
[11:47] <DenisG> a simple ide drive
[11:47] <dave_> Hmmm, i.e. hdb?
[11:47] <moyogo> hi daniels
[11:48] <DenisG> with gentoo i would simply untar a stagefile into the disk
[11:48] <DenisG> yes @dave
[11:48] <andrewski> topyli: is there another way to change shortcuts?
[11:48] <wdh> andrewski, what exactly do you mean?
[11:48] <dave_> DenisG, your best bet is to remove the original drive and connect the temp only so it is hda. At a new computer, the boot loader will point at a kernel at /dev/hdaX.
[11:49] <wdh> select them one by one and then copy the whole lot?
[11:49] <andrewski> wdh: select file 10, shift+click on file 1, then drag.
[11:49] <DenisG> mh.
[11:49] <DenisG> i don't want to do that. Isn't there any other option?
[11:49] <dave_> You can also edit the grub config file, of course, to always point to /dev/hda (or make a new entry with hda and hdb in there)
[11:49] <dave_> The latter would be what I'd do.
[11:49] <DenisG> yeah, that sounds good.
[11:49] <topyli> andrewski: no obvious way for nautilus that i know of
[11:49] <DenisG> but how do i start the installer?
[11:49] <Escipion> for all you to know : I love GRUB
[11:50] <Escipion> :P
[11:50] <andrewski> topyli: ok.
[11:50] <DenisG> i got an installation iso, and mounted it via a loopback device
[11:50] <Escipion> DenisG : can't you boot with the installation CD ?
[11:50] <DenisG> sure, i could do that.
[11:50] <Escipion> DenisG : that should be the "standard" way of installing ubuntu
[11:50] <DenisG> but then i had to turn off this computer :/
[11:51] <dave_> DenisG, just boot off the cd.
[11:51] <dave_> When the menu comes up, press enter
[11:51] <topyli> andrewski: nautilus is buggy otherwise too. choose single click mode, take a list view of a folder, select all files with ctrl-a and there's no way to unselect a few
[11:51] <Escipion> DenisG : you are going to shutdown the computer anyway if you want to boot into ubuntu
[11:51] <DenisG> mh. it's somewhat more complicated.
[11:51] <andrewski> topyli: can't wait for xfce's thunar! :)
[11:51] <topyli> heh
[11:51] <saber_> Anyone ever get this error before with transcode:       tc_memcpy: using mmx for memcpy   (extract_mpeg2.c) missing start code at 0    (extract_mpeg2.c) incorrect zero-byte padding detected - ignored                   ???
[11:51] <andrewski> topyli: not to knock nautilus or anything.
[11:52] <DenisG> i not only don't want to turn off this computer because of the music, but also because the second hd, where i want to install ubuntu, needs special treatment
[11:52] <topyli> andrewski: oh no, it's great. just buggy right now
[11:52] <DenisG> it is encrypted with LUKS and dm-crypt
[11:53] <saber_> is that for me, denisg?
[11:53] <Escipion> bye bye
[11:53] <wdh> andrewski, workaround doesnt work
[11:53] <DenisG> sure, i could install it on a not encrypted hard disk, then create the encrypted partitions and copy everything back, but that would be lame.
[11:53] <DenisG> saber_: uhm, if you can tell me what to do, sure, why not.
[11:53] <andrewski> wdh: ok, wasn't sure if it would.  i'd file a bug.  topyli's been saying there are other such bugs when using multiple files.
[11:54] <james_harwood> hello
[11:54] <james_harwood> how can i canel my order for free ubuntu cds?
[11:55] <m4x> lewiz, u still there?
[11:55] <alwaysmodest> james_harwood i wouldn't worry about that
[11:55] <james_harwood> ok
[11:55] <andrewski> topyli: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305372 and i'm out.
[11:55] <andrewski> later!
[11:55] <james_harwood> its just a waste
[11:55] <alwaysmodest> i'm just saying you wont be losing money
[11:55] <topyli> andrewski: thanks
[11:55] <CarlK> james_harwood - um, it probably would be better to give them to someone
[11:55] <alwaysmodest> yeah well give them away james_harwood
[11:55] <james_harwood> yeah
[11:55] <andrewski> topyli: np
[11:56] <james_harwood> cherrs
[11:56] <nickrud> james_harwood, the library is a good place
[11:56] <CarlK> but your consideration is appreicated
[11:56] <LinuxJones> james_harwood, you don't like ubuntu ?
[11:56] <james_harwood> no
[11:56] <LinuxJones> ahh
[11:56] <james_harwood> i already got mandrake
[11:56] <DenisG> *g*
[11:56] <dave_> Hmmm, Mandrake used to be good.
[11:57] <nickrud> huh, it kept me in the game
[11:57] <alwaysmodest> dave_ you know what i liked about mandrake? donwloading 50 isos and paying for them
[11:57] <topyli> bah
[11:57] <dave_> I never paid for Drake, just installed the free version, then supplemented it with easy urpmi.
[11:57] <dave_> But RPM is not as good as Apt, I think.
[11:58] <topyli> mandrake is, or at least used to be, a great distro for years for me
[11:58] <gorthaug> hi
[11:58] <mako> community council meeting in a few minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[11:59] <gorthaug> one cuestion
[11:59] <alwaysmodest> i've only used mandrake, or any linux for desktop/experimentation purposes
[11:59] <topyli> mako: who's welcome?
[12:00] <mako> topyli: everyone