[12:03] <Riddell> uniq: say your name
[12:03] <uniq> riddell: ok.
[12:16] <amu> *lol*
[12:17] <uniq> :)
[01:51] <uniq> well.. gnite guys.
[01:51] <uniq> work in 5 hours.. 
[01:51] <Riddell> guid nicht
[01:51] <uniq> god natt
[01:51] <uniq> in norwegian.
[01:51] <uniq> :)
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[02:36] <amu> boa noite
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=== Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Fri Apr  8 09:50:53 2005
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[09:42] <JRe> morning
[10:04] <hunger> morning
[10:05] <hunger> Any news about cxx migration of kde in breezy?
=== hunger heared there were some gcc 4 fixes for KDE from suse.
[10:10] <JRe> cxx mirgration seems to not be so easy as recompiling :)
[10:11] <hunger> JRe: I can imagine. I helped migrate a cxx project to gcc 3:-)
[10:11] <amu> moin2
[10:12] <JRe> hunger: ;)
[10:13] <hunger> But kdelibs, kdebase, arts and qt seem to be there already?
[10:14] <JRe> yeah that's why i have understood
[10:14] <hunger> Those should be the hardest parts, or so I thought.
[10:17] <JRe> hunger: yeah it should
[10:18] <JRe> ho cool we are on the road to have ivman in debian ;)
[10:20] <JRe> hunger: kdelibs_4:3.4.1-0ubuntu2_20050525-0443-i386-failed.gz
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[10:20] <hunger> Oh...
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[10:21] <JRe> hunger: but kdelibs_4:3.4.1-0ubuntu2_20050525-0443-powerpc-successful.gz ;)
[10:29] <hunger> JRe: Lets all buy powerpcs now :-)
[10:30] <JRe> hunger: :) :)
[10:31] <JRe> it seems the the 4.3.1 is a way more stable than the 3.4.0 (it's what i read on planetdebian)
[10:31] <hunger> JRe: 4.3.1?
[10:32] <JRe> hunger: 3.4.1 ;)
[10:33] <JRe> dislexic typing
[10:33] <hunger> JRe: How does that help with the gcc 4 migration?
[10:33] <JRe> hunger: it does not help the migration but the user :)
[10:33] <hunger> JRe: Yeah, I know this "too many fingers on keyboad" errors.
[10:33] <JRe> hunger: ;)
[10:35] <hunger> X transistion is progressing... so far 500k were moved out of X11R6 since the fonts were splitt out.
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[10:35] <JRe> hunger: so many transition these days ;) qt4 gcc3.4 kde3.4.1 x
[10:36] <hunger> I hope I will manage to stick with breezy for a while once it becomes stable.
[10:36] <hunger> JRe: Yes, the breezygoals are somewhat ambitious.
[10:37] <JRe> hunger: yeah sure
=== hunger is looking forward to networkmagic.
[10:38] <JRe> but for now the only way i have to test breezy is a debootstrap chroot
[10:39] <hunger> even though I will need to modify it somewhat as it is just too dangerous for my taste.
[10:40] <JRe> hunger: what is network magic ?
[10:40] <hunger> JRe: network autoconfiguration.
[10:40] <JRe> hunger: okay it's kind of cool ;)
[10:41] <hunger> JRe: unfortunately they think that forwarding wlan into the net is a good idea...
[10:41] <hunger> JRe: s/net/ethernet/
[10:42] <JRe> how
[10:42] <JRe> :(
[10:43] <hunger> JRe: Dunno... the assumption is that someone with both wlan and ethernet wants to provide internet access to others.
[10:43] <hunger> So I guess it well be NATing...
[10:43] <hunger> Anyway, my computer may never do that without me explicitly configuring it.
[10:45] <hunger> My customers will kill me if I my box turns into an AP in their intranet...
[10:57] <JRe> hunger: ;9
[10:57] <JRe> i have both wlan and ethernet i use wlan to connect to internet (11mb/s) and ethernet to local network(100mb/s)
[11:03] <JRe> Riddell: BTW the way i have put online a screenshot of my little plugged device notification application
[11:03] <JRe> Riddell: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/kubuntu/kay1.jpg
[11:08] <amu> cooool, <X> do nothing  ;) 
[11:11] <JRe> amu: what do you mean?
[11:16] <Riddell> JRe: interesting
[11:17] <Riddell> JRe: does it do that exact thing for all usb storage devices?
[11:19] <JRe> Riddell: at this time yes
[11:20] <JRe> Riddell: but it can easily been changed
[11:20] <JRe> Riddell: and if i use ivman instead of usbmount, i'll be able to present dialog for cds, ...
[11:21] <JRe> Riddell: i was also thinking about let the user add some customized actions ;)
[11:22] <Riddell> JRe: what's it written in?
[11:23] <JRe> Riddell: yeah like add a  "Launch with myapp" in the list
[11:24] <JRe> Riddell: in fact i develop it mainly to help new user and specially for kubuntu so i am opened to all suggestions
[11:24] <Riddell> which programming language?
[11:25] <JRe> Riddell: C++ / QT (it's a DCOP service)
[11:26] <JRe> Riddell: you call it this way: dcop kay plug notifyPlugged mountpoint device model
[11:27] <Riddell> I'm definatly interested, need to get ivman working first then get it talking to your stuff
[11:28] <Riddell> which will be after 3.4.1 gets sorted
[11:28] <JRe> Riddell: okay i have seen a response to the ivman package request so maybe we will have a package soon, i continue improvments and thinks by my side
[12:47] <JRe> How does the ubuntu autobuilder work? i change the debian changelog file to replace the version by the ubuntu version?
[12:48] <JRe> from the debian source package?
[12:49] <Riddell> JRe: which autobuilder?
[12:49] <Riddell> packages are uploaded to ubuntu same as to debian
[12:49] <Riddell> you just add -2ubuntu1 onto the version instead of adding -2
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[12:51] <JRe> Riddell: it's done manually for all the packages? there is no automatic packaging of the new debian package for example? where can ifound doc to read about that?
[12:53] <Riddell> JRe: there's a debian autosyncer wheejum which pulls in packages from debian and makes a report in bugzilla if there's merges need made with the ubuntu version
[12:53] <Riddell> it's turned off just now due to c++ transition
[12:54] <JRe> Riddell: okay i understand better now, thanks ;)
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[02:02] <amu> hmmm whats the problem with amd64 kdelibs ?
[02:03] <amu> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/k/kdelibs/4:3.4.1-0ubuntu2/
[02:03] <Riddell> amu: just build daemons not getting round to it I guess
[02:04] <Riddell> kde/kdelibs_4:3.4.1-0ubuntu2: Dep-Wait by buildd+crested [optional:out-of-date] 
[02:04] <Riddell>   Dependencies: libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3:3.3.4)
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[02:06] <Riddell> and qt isn't built
[02:07] <Riddell> libs/qt-x11-free_3:3.3.4-1ubuntu3: Dep-Wait by buildd+crested [optional:out-of-date] 
[02:07] <Riddell>   Dependencies: libmysqlclient-dev
[02:18] <JRe> ;)
[02:22] <JRe> jackass.ubuntu.com ;) ;) ;)
[02:38] <lamont> Riddell: ah ha!
[02:38] <lamont> have I mentioned that I hate build-deps on virtual packages>?
[02:40] <Riddell> lamont: I suspect I've heard it in passing
[02:41] <Riddell> lamont: I'll upload a new qt shall I with build-dep only on mysql 12
[02:41] <lamont> Riddell: well, I cleared it again
[02:41] <lamont> so you don't _need_ to do it
[02:41] <lamont> but if the next upload quit using virtual packages, that'd make my life happier...
[02:42] <Riddell> ok
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[03:03] <doko> Riddell, please keep my changes to the build deps ... ;)
[03:07] <Riddell> doko: where havn't I?
[03:09] <doko> sorry, then it was amu ... ;)
[03:11] <Riddell> doko: which package?
[03:12] <doko> qt
[03:16] <uniq> hello.
[03:16] <JRe> lo uniq
[03:16] <uniq> hi jre.
[03:17] <uniq> amu: for the ipod slave.. would a good packagename be kio-ipodslave ? 
[03:17] <uniq> or just kio-ipod ? 
[03:18] <uniq> jre: what do you like best? 
[03:18] <JRe> kio-ipodslave
[03:18] <Riddell> uniq: kio-ipod seems better
[03:18] <JRe> ;)
[03:18] <uniq> heh.. ok :)
[03:19] <uniq> I like kio-ipod my self.
[03:19] <JRe> damn i am the only man standing for ipodslave ;)
[03:19] <amu> kpod ? 
[03:20] <JRe> slavepod?
[03:20] <amu> that's the project name ... slave is kind of discrimiating :)
[03:20] <JRe> ;) ;) ;)
[03:21] <hunger> amu: Why are you agitating against a age old profession? ;-)
[03:23] <hunger> amu: kpod sounds a lot like "kaputt" (german for broken).
[03:23] <amu> hunger: you can discuss with mark about it ;) 
[03:24] <JRe> hum i have discover a kind-of-cool application that may interests kubuntu users: KToon (to make some animation)
[03:25] <JRe> http://ktoon.toonka.com/
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[03:25] <JRe> should we package?
[03:33] <Riddell> JRe: sure, looks cool
[03:33] <JRe> Riddell: okay i'll take care of that
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[04:04] <JRe> if anyone compile and test kftpgrabber, can he tell me if when transfering, the analyzer does work?
[04:04] <uniq> amu: ready to take a look at the kio-ipod package? and test it? 
[04:06] <JRe> uniq: need to have a ipod to test it ;) ?
[04:06] <uniq> yes.
[04:06] <uniq> ipod:/ :)
[04:07] <JRe> uniq: sorry the only thing i have is an usb stick ;)
[04:07] <uniq> yes.. me to.
[04:07] <uniq> or.. two usb-disks and one stick.
[04:07] <uniq> and a camera.
[04:07] <uniq> .. mouse+keyboard.
[04:07] <uniq> no ipod yet.
[04:07] <JRe> uniq: i guess you have a screen
[04:07] <uniq> not usb :)
[04:08] <JRe> uniq: ;)
[04:08] <amu> uniq: sure .. 
[04:08] <JRe> uniq: and you're packaging kio-ipod for the rich people ;)
[04:09] <JRe> uniq: where is your repo?
[04:09] <uniq> amu: i'll have to one small thing first.
[04:10] <uniq> jre: frode.kde.no/ubuntu/
[04:11] <JRe> uniq: what is gamin?
[04:11] <uniq> jre: fam replacement (as in file alternation monitor)
[04:12] <uniq> ps ax|grep gam
[04:12] <uniq> amu: can you use amd64 debs? 
[04:12] <JRe> uniq: okay i see it, i will take a look in /usr/share/doc
[04:13] <uniq> it's not very informative.
[04:13] <uniq> http://www.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin/
[04:14] <uniq> Maybe i could commit that gamin package to breezy.. it's a simple upgrade.
[04:16] <amu> uniq: amd64 thats a small atm ... i386 prefered
[04:16] <uniq> k.
[04:16] <amu> uniq: or the source, would be better 
[04:16] <uniq> ok.. source it is.
[04:16] <uniq> http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/kio-ipod/
[04:17] <JRe> uniq: thanx for the links i understand well now ;)
[04:20] <uniq> you're welcome :)
[04:20] <uniq> i'm diving back into kdar.
[04:21] <uniq> oh.. it's dinner time..
[04:21] <uniq> bbl guys.
[04:24] <JRe> good appetite 1
[04:26] <Riddell> JRe: you probably know this but the English language equivalent of "bon appetit" isn't "good appetite", it's "bon appetite" :)
[04:26] <JRe> Riddell: i was not aware!
[04:27] <JRe> Riddell: thanks :)
[04:27] <JRe> so bon appetite!
[04:27] <Riddell> he he
[04:28] <JRe> i speak too many languages so i mix each other and say very bad things :(
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[05:22] <Riddell> we have an impressive 28 people on kubuntu-bugs, I wonder why they're all so interested in our bugzilla reports
[05:23] <uniq> hehe :)
[05:23] <KaiL> because normaly 27 of them can't reproduce the bug? :)
[05:23] <JRe> ;) ;) ;)
[05:28] <Riddell> KaiL: then they would CC themselves on the report on bugzilla
[05:28] <Riddell> but subscribing to all kubuntu reports, that's dedication for you
[05:29] <KaiL> btw, how to subscribe to all? :)
[05:29] <Riddell> KaiL: all kubuntu bugzilla reports?  join kubuntu-bugs on lists.ubuntu.com
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[05:30] <JRe> I gonna suscribe also ;)
[05:32] <Riddell> cool :)
[05:33] <KaiL> ...now you have 29
[05:40] <JRe> ;)
[05:44] <uniq> now, if i subscribe one second time.. we'll have 30 :)
[05:45] <JRe> okay suscribed!
[05:45] <uniq> we got 30 :)
[05:46] <JRe> the hottest mailing list ever ;)
[05:49] <JRe> i sucribed to breezy-changes too so i will no longer be out of date  ;) !
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[07:45] <uniq> amu: tell me what you think of the new kio-ipod packages.. please http:/frode.kde.no/ubuntu/kio-ipod - thanks :)
[08:06] <amu> the name is already wrong 
[08:09] <uniq> source package name? 
[08:09] <uniq> or package name? 
[08:10] <uniq> source tarball should have the ipodslave name? 
[08:11] <amu> dpkg-source: warning: source directory `./ipodslave-0.6.3' is not <sourcepackage>-<upstreamversion> `kio-ipod-0.6.3' 
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[08:14] <amu> ipodslave-0.6.3.tgz  is the original upstream name : it becomes ipodslave_0.6.3.orig.tar.gz and your deb is named ipodslave_0.6.3-0ubuntu1_arch.deb
[08:15] <uniq> ko.
[08:16] <amu> if you still want name it kio-ipod, you need a virtual package *ducks* 
[08:17] <uniq> understand.
[08:17] <amu> ... and you will be lamonts best friend :)
[08:17] <uniq> I won't bother.. i'll just name it ipodslave.
[08:17] <uniq> hehe.. i've heard he loves those virtual packages :)
[08:18] <amu> no prob, i thought before you where joking ;)  
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[08:18] <amu> just ping me, i can make a final review. 
[08:18] <uniq> great :)
[08:19] <uniq> kdar is a bitch btw.
[08:19] <amu> uniq: next part is, a package for debian 
[08:19] <uniq> yes :)
[08:20] <amu> if you package something usefull, we can upload it also to debian
[08:20] <uniq> great :)
[08:21] <amu> s/something/is something/
[08:22] <uniq> libdar in ubuntu doesn't seem to support blowfish..
[08:22] <uniq> atleast the cpp headers doesn't.. 
[08:24] <uniq> amu: http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/ipodslave/
[08:24] <uniq> does it actually work with your ipod? :)
[08:26] <amu> no, i'm not sure, what's wrong, the pathname are cutted, and i've no mp3 support for my desktop :)     
[08:26] <uniq> heh.. ok.
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[09:51] <uniq> .. /usr/include/kde/kswap.h is missing from kdelibs4-dev (3.4.1-0ubuntu2). Is that intentional? 
[09:55] <Riddell> uniq: kntlminclude_HEADERS = kntlm.h
[09:55] <Riddell> it's not in the Makefile.am to be installed
[09:55] <Riddell> is it part of the public API?
[09:56] <uniq> i'll chekc.
[09:56] <uniq> check.
[09:58] <Riddell> uniq: how did you notice?
[09:58] <uniq> compiling ipodslave in breezy chroot.
[09:59] <Riddell> hmm
[10:13] <Riddell> "don't install kswap.h, it depends on config.h and really shouldn't be part of KDE API."
[10:13] <Riddell> uniq: you'll need to take a copy of kswap.h and change #include <kswap.h  to #include "kswap.h"
[10:14] <Riddell> uniq: and notify the author
[10:14] <uniq> ok then.
[10:14] <Riddell> thanks for testing breezy :)
[10:14] <uniq> do you have a url for refference? 
[10:14] <uniq> -f in reference :)
[10:15] <uniq> nvermind.. found a mailinglist entry.
[10:15] <Riddell> svn log for kdelibs/kio/misc/kntlm/
[10:16] <Riddell> svn log for kdelibs/kio/misc/kntlm/kswap.h
[10:16] <uniq> ok. thanks.
[10:26] <uniq> mail sendt.. and ipodslave compiled :)
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[11:37] <cartel_> arrgh
[11:37] <cartel_> Riddell: new bug
[11:39] <cartel_> :(
[11:40] <uniq> #11193 ?
[11:40] <cartel_> apt-get install eric3
[11:40] <cartel_> eric
[11:40] <cartel_> TypeError: argument 1 of QSizePolicy() has an invalid type
[11:40] <cartel_> Segmentation fault
[11:41] <uniq> breezy or hoary = 
[11:41] <uniq> =/?
[11:41] <cartel_> hoary universe
[11:41] <cartel_> apparently bugged by python2.4-qt3
[11:42] <cartel_> ill check if latest official is bugged
[11:43] <cartel_> latest is 2 majors incremented from the ver in universe
[11:57] <cartel_> ok, i checked out the latest sid package and sed'd it for python2.3/python2.4, works fine
[12:00] <cartel_> *cooks up bug report*