[12:01] <Tm_T> smouche: you mostly need to change colours, so just value game it is
[12:02] <Mez> it's official
[12:02] <Mez> kubuntu is sexy
[12:03] <Tm_T> so am I
[12:03] <Tm_T> ...no I'm not
[12:04] <firasR> smouche:  much appreciated :)
[12:05] <smouche> have fun, firasR
[12:05] <Tm_T> =)
[12:06] <Tm_T> smouche: hmm, same time next year there is only irssi users? ;p
[12:06] <Tm_T> s/there/here
[12:06] <smouche> hah hah, probably!
[12:06] <Tm_T> =)
[12:06] <smouche> ok, someone needs to create the IrssiDesktop DE.
[12:07] <Tm_T> haha
[12:10] <smouche> alright, Tm_T, I'm gonna take a nap, then later on I'm gonna probably break some stuff on this box; it's running to smoothly lately
[12:11] <smouche> "too" smoothly; and I want to install Suse on another box; see you later...
[12:11] <Tm_T> smouche: ok, see ya o/
[12:15] <firasR> thanks smouche
[12:18] <firasR> Tm_T:  how in the world do i paste into eterm ?
[12:18] <uniq> 3rd mousebutton.
[12:18] <uniq> or shift+insert
[12:18] <firasR> thanks
[12:23] <Mez> hmm
[12:24] <Mez> why when you click a file does it load in kate and when you edit as root it loads in kwrite
[12:24] <Mez> weird
[12:25] <Tm_T> firasR: just like in every other place, 3rd mousebutton ;)
[12:25] <smouche_sleep> (or shift-insert, firasR)
[12:26] <firasR> got it, thanks all
[12:39] <othernoob> how do i remove some kernels ?
[12:39] <Tm_T> apt-get remove ?
[12:41] <Pupeno> What's the Ubuntu/Debian to install Products on a Zope instance ?
[12:42] <othernoob> Tm_T okay. wasn't too sure if it's the same way with kernels
[12:42] <firasR> Tm_T: i'm startin' to warm to irsii :) need to read up on the docs though
[12:42] <Riddell> Pupeno: apt-cache search zope
[12:42] <Riddell> lots there
[12:43] <Pupeno> Riddell: mh ? that install a product on the system, not on a zope instance.
[12:43] <Riddell> Pupeno: well I've never used zope but if you install it by apt-get it looks like there's other zope bits you can install as well
[12:43] <Riddell> Pupeno: but if you installed it youself then you're on your own
[12:44] <Pupeno> Riddell: I installed the products from the repository, but that's only to get the files on the filesystem, it doesn't install the products on any instance of zope.
[12:47] <Riddell> Pupeno: ah well, I've run out of zope knowledge I'm afraid
[12:47] <Pupeno> Riddell: ok, thank you.
[12:48] <Tm_T> heh
[12:48] <Tm_T> firasR: well, it's easiest to use when you start to know how to use it ;)
[12:49] <firasR> reminds of the old days in the early 90s when i first used text irc clients :)
[12:49] <Tm_T> heh
[12:49] <Tm_T> well, you'll find out that you really don't need gui
[12:50] <firasR> Tm_T: i was lookin' for a text client anyways, u can do more with shortcut keys and they look cooler
[12:50] <firasR> firasR: esepecially with eterm ;) hehe
[12:51] <Tm_T> well
[12:58] <rzei> hey is there going to be an upgrade to kopete before kde3.4.1?
[12:59] <rzei> there is a rather critical bug which doesn't allow logging into msn messenger service
[12:59] <rzei> but as noted in the kopete.kde.org, there's already a patch applied both to HEAD and MAIN
[01:00] <transgress> rzei: yeah it is in hoary updates
[01:00] <transgress> i have it
[01:05] <rzei> hmm strange i just added that deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main into /etc/apt/sources.list and did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[01:05] <transgress> it's in the ubuntu repo's
[01:05] <rzei> so.. what should i have in my sources.list then?
[01:06] <transgress> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[01:06] <transgress> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[01:06] <transgress> i'd imagine those should do it
[01:06] <rzei> adding those then
[01:06] <transgress> they should be in there by default
[01:07] <rzei> actually those were commented out, result of me using this same installition from the 5.04 preview
[01:07] <Tm_T> haha
[01:08] <transgress> woot... you're gonna have a few updates then
[01:08] <rzei> 15 only actually
[01:08] <transgress> hmm
[01:08] <rzei> already downloaded, unpacking
[01:08] <rzei> setting up
[01:09] <rzei> done :)
[01:09] <transgress> i always liked big updates... made me feel like i was doing something
[01:32] <uniq> thanks :)
[01:32] <Riddell> better
[01:35] <KoseFrank> Hi...
[01:35] <KoseFrank> Anyone still up?
[01:35] <Tm_T> yup
[01:36] <KoseFrank> Goodie gumdrops...
[01:36] <KoseFrank> I have a question... I am running Kubuntu
[01:36] <KoseFrank> And I want Gaim, but cannot find it in the package program
[01:37] <KoseFrank> (I am a newbie, but managed to install a wlan-card using ndiswrapper, so I'm pretty proud)
[01:37] <frank> which package program are you using? synaptic?
[01:37] <KoseFrank> kynaptic
[01:38] <KoseFrank> I guess that's the kde-version of the synaptic-program
[01:38] <frank> just do search for gaim
[01:38] <KoseFrank> i did
[01:40] <frank> im not sure why you wouldn't see it... try installing synaptic and use that instead. It's much better
[01:40] <KoseFrank> Is there a way I can connect to a remote package-ftp or something? I remembered when I was using Ubuntu, I managed to install all these programs without any hassle. The problem was that the system went unstable, and everything crashed. But this seems stable enough... It even plays mp3's (wow!)
[01:41] <KoseFrank> Ok... How do I do that?
[01:42] <frank> KoseFrank, do a search for synaptic in kynaptic
[01:43] <KoseFrank> Sorry if I'm asking lame questions, but the stupid Kopete doesn't seem to support msn any more
[01:43] <KoseFrank> I did. It didn't find it
[01:43] <frank> it need to be updated
[01:43] <Tm_T> KoseFrank: use autopackage from gaim site
[01:43] <frank> hoary-updates has the update
[01:44] <frank> KoseFrank, I think you can do that through synaptic as well
[01:45] <KoseFrank> Hoary updates? Ok. I didn't have a network avaiable when I installed... Is that why it doesn't seem to know it can be updated???
[01:45] <Tm_T> ehm, I'll go to sleep ->
[01:46] <frank> KoseFrank, check your apt sources list:    sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:47] <frank> KoseFrank, to check if the right repositories are there
[01:47] <KoseFrank> gedit - command not found
[01:47] <frank> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:47] <Riddell> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:47] <frank> forgot you use kubuntu
[01:47] <KoseFrank> Ahhh
[01:48] <Riddell> don't sudo kate, she doesn't like it
[01:48] <KoseFrank> It seemed so... 
[01:48] <KoseFrank> It said she probably krashed
[01:48] <KoseFrank> But nano worked
[01:49] <frank> oh
[01:49] <KoseFrank> Shall i remove the # ?
[01:50] <frank> yeah make sure you have      universe, multiverse    and hoary-security and hoary-update  available
[01:50] <KoseFrank> Do you recommend using the "universe respository" or will that just f"# things up?
[01:51] <frank> I haven't had problems with universe.   And in synaptic, you can tell which packages are from universe
[01:51] <KoseFrank> Ahhh
[01:52] <incubii> everyone has problems with the universe
[01:52] <incubii> its ever expanding
[01:52] <incubii> :P
[01:52] <KoseFrank> It seems to work better now, yes
[01:52] <frank> did you install synaptic?
[01:52] <KoseFrank> Do I need it... It seems to update kynaptic...
[01:53] <brosio> mm dma is disable on both dvd and dvdrecorder... anyone could help ?
[01:53] <frank> KoseFrank, I just find synaptic is better (alot better)
[01:53] <KoseFrank> And it seems that Gaim is up and running.... =)
[01:54] <frank> did you update everything?
[01:54] <frank> brosio, edit /etc/hdparm.conf
[01:54] <KoseFrank> I belive I did
[01:55] <frank> great
[01:55] <KoseFrank> Yeah =)
[01:57] <KoseFrank> I installed synaptics too...
[01:57] <KoseFrank> I belive i can start to like this distro
[01:57] <KoseFrank> Thanks, btw...
[01:57] <frank> np
[01:58] <KoseFrank> Nice name your parents gave you, btw
[01:58] <frank> you too, lol
[01:58] <KoseFrank> We must be the lucky ones
[02:00] <KoseFrank> Ahhh
[02:00] <KoseFrank> i found supertux
[02:00] <KoseFrank> One reason why I liked Mandrake
[02:03] <KoseFrank> Hmmm... The shortcuts doesnt seem to automatically add themselves 
[02:04] <dangermouse> Greetings, my tasty friends!
[02:04] <frank> KoseFrank, sometimes they don't
[02:05] <frank> like supertux
[02:05] <KoseFrank> I noticed
[02:05] <KoseFrank> And firefox?
[02:06] <frank> I have shortcuts for firefox
[02:09] <KoseFrank> Hmmm.. I'll try to install one in my native language
[02:09] <KoseFrank> To see what happens
[02:10] <KoseFrank> Aaaah... Lovely
[02:10] <KoseFrank> It works
[02:10] <KoseFrank> HAha. This was FUN
[02:15] <KoseFrank> Ok... Thank's a lot
[02:15] <KoseFrank> I've gotta go to bed
[02:15] <KoseFrank> But... Yeah. This works. =)
[02:16] <KoseFrank> That's nice
[02:36] <daniels> Riddell: done
[02:38] <Riddell> groovy
[02:42] <Tm_T> erh
[02:57] <Tm_T> hey, where's smouche?
[02:58] <Tm_T> ah, /lastlog saves =)
[02:59] <frank> where can I set up applications to start when I log on to kde?
[02:59] <Tm_T> just add link to ~/.kde/Autostart
[03:00] <frank> Tm_T, ok thanks
[03:00] <Tm_T> np
[03:04] <SlicerDicer> I lost 90% of everything in kicker when I added kdeartwork and kdegames any ideas?
[03:04] <SlicerDicer> applet failures etc
[03:04] <frank> anyone have this display problem?  in kate  for example, the line I am writing is black
[03:04] <frank> I can't see it
[03:05] <frank> similar problem happens in ark too
[03:12] <Tm_T> smouche_sleep: !
[03:12] <Tm_T> frank: eh, nice ;)
[03:12] <Tm_T> frank: can you take a pic?
[03:12] <smouche> hello again
[03:13] <frank> how?
[03:14] <Tm_T> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/pre2/24580-2.jpg
[03:14] <Tm_T> whyyy!!!??
[03:14] <Tm_T> =)
[03:14] <Tm_T> frank: well, one way is to use KSnapshot
[03:15] <Tm_T> smouche: wanna try my shouter?
[03:15] <smouche> sure, Tm_T, though I don't even know what a shouter is exactly!
[03:16] <smouche> (if if involves sounds though, I don't have mine on)
[03:16] <smouche> heh heh
[03:16] <smouche> what's a shouter?
[03:16] <Tm_T> smouche: amaroK shoutcast script
[03:16] <Tm_T> so all you have to do is listen ;)
[03:16] <smouche> ah, cool.  What does it do?
[03:16] <smouche> ok
[03:16] <smouche> hit me
[03:16] <Tm_T> 84.230.1.106:8000/amarok
[03:17] <frank> Tm_T, i made a snapshot
[03:17] <smouche> so, Tm_T, would that work in streamtuner too?
[03:17] <Tm_T> I think so
[03:17] <_dangermouse> wow.
[03:17] <Tm_T> hmm
[03:18] <_dangermouse> been at 10mins left on battery for the past hour
[03:18] <Tm_T> smouche: I just click and my amaroK shoutcasts what I listen :)
[03:18] <Tm_T> smouche: too easy? maybe :p
[03:18] <Tm_T> frank: ok, I'll check if I get something
[03:21] <Tm_T> frank: hmm, looks like it have something to do with colour settings ;)
[03:22] <smouche> hmmm, can't get it to work in streamtuner, Tm_t
[03:22] <frank> yeah the lines should be bluish but I have no idea where to fix it
[03:22] <Tm_T> frank: heh, kcontrol -> appearance -> colours ->
[03:23] <Tm_T> alternate background in lists
[03:23] <Tm_T> yup, just change it
[03:23] <Tm_T> smouche: hmm, but you're listening?
[03:24] <smouche> nope, Tm_T, how do I play that?  
[03:24] <smouche> I tried opening 84.230.1.106:8000/amarok in amarok, and streamtuner
[03:24] <smouche> and I tried it with "http://84.230.1.106:8000/amarok"
[03:24] <smouche> what am I doing wrong?
[03:24] <Tm_T> smouche: hmm, try xmms
[03:24] <Tm_T> dunno really
[03:25] <Tm_T> but looks like someone from nyc is connected
[03:25] <smouche> wait, I think I need to kill artsd first; I was listening to the radio before...
[03:25] <Tm_T> ah ok
[03:25] <frank> Tm_T, It workeD!!!  I have no idea how I could have changed that!
[03:25] <Tm_T> frank: ah good
[03:25] <frank> Tm_T, Thanks so much
[03:26] <Tm_T> np :)
[03:26] <smouche> well, Tm_T, amaroK tells me it's connecting to stream source and says it's playing, but no sound so far
[03:26] <Tm_T> eh
[03:26] <frank> Tm_T, do you use amd64?
[03:27] <Tm_T> hmm, 32
[03:28] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I should make new background (again)
[03:29] <smouche> hey Tm_T:
[03:29] <smouche> Couldn't connect to host 84.230.1.106
[03:29] <smouche> Server reported:  503 Server is full
[03:29] <Tm_T> smouche: yup, ogg file =)
[03:29] <Tm_T> smouche: wait, I try another track ;)
[03:30] <smouche> streamtuner at least gave me that info; amaroK didn't
[03:30] <Tm_T> heh
[03:31] <Tm_T> ok, now?
[03:31] <Tm_T> atleast there's traffic
[03:31] <Tm_T> should work atm
[03:32] <smouche> nope, Tm_T, Server reported:  503 Server is full
[03:34] <Tm_T> smouche: your ip is 24.90.94.112?
[03:37] <Tm_T> ...
[03:38] <smouche> yes, Tm_T
[03:39] <Tm_T> ok, so you are "listening"
[03:39] <smouche> well, I'm still getting those "server full" messages.
[03:39] <smouche> maybe that's why!
[03:39] <Synnergy> Ok - got an X - KDE problem that's driving me nuts :)  After startup, I get about 30-45 seconds of time, and then the whole thing freezes - mouse/keyboard/twinview - everything works during that first min or so - any thoughts?
[03:39] <smouche> something on here is "listening" but it ain't me
[03:39] <Tm_T> Synnergy: how much ram?
[03:39] <Synnergy> 512
[03:40] <Tm_T> and do you have swap?
[03:40] <Synnergy> yes - not sure what it's set at though, I just installed Kubuntu - and just let it do the partitions
[03:40] <Tm_T> smouche: hmm, check your network traffic, there is some app connecting and "listening"
[03:40] <Tm_T> strange though
[03:41] <Synnergy> irritating too - I just convied my brother to get rid of mdk - and now it's all screwed up lol 
[03:42] <Tm_T> haha
[03:42] <Synnergy> let me clarify one thing :)  
[03:42] <Tm_T> Synnergy: sounds like mem problem to me
[03:43] <Synnergy> Like I said, it's fresh install - and using the giving xorg.conf file - runs fine - after setup nv drivers and enable twinview - that's where the prob is
[03:43] <Synnergy> and twinview was running fine on mdk, so I know it's plenty capable
[03:43] <Tm_T> hmm
[03:44] <Tm_T> so maybe there's some misconfiguration then
[03:44] <smouche> weird, well, Tm_T, I'll try that again later.  I killed every thing I could find, but still can't get through.
[03:44] <Synnergy> but the strange thing is - during that first min - i can drop windows on and off the second monitor just fune
[03:44] <smouche> ah hah!
[03:44] <Tm_T> check /var/logs/xorg.?.log files
[03:44] <Tm_T> smouche: heh, you cut it =)
[03:44] <Synnergy> hang on - on another machine
[03:44] <Tm_T> =)
[03:45] <smouche> nope
[03:45] <Tm_T> hmm
[03:45] <Tm_T> smouche: ?
[03:46] <smouche> eh, I don't know...
[03:46] <Tm_T> how... why... err?
[03:46] <smouche> thought I solved it, i was wrong
[03:46] <Tm_T> ok
[03:47] <Tm_T> hmm, I'll say magic words, "make install"
[03:49] <smouche> well, anyway, Tm_T, I'm about to install Suse on my old laptop, and hopefully your stream will be the first thing playing on there
[03:49] <Tm_T> heh
[03:49] <Tm_T> smouche: ok, can you now cut your connection to my 33606 port? ;)
[03:50] <smouche> how do I do that Tm_T?  I thought I closed everything already
[03:50] <Tm_T> hmm, or is it from my pc =)
[03:50] <Tm_T> I think I have connection to your end =)
[03:50] <Synnergy> Tm_T : Well, there were some errors on libglx - i installed using 'nvidia-glx' - do you know if there's any problems with that?
[03:50] <Tm_T> strange :p
[03:50] <Tm_T> Synnergy: nope
[03:51] <smouche> Tm_T, let me kill my connection and then I'll come back and you tell me what you see...
[03:51] <Synnergy> I'll remove and try installing from nv and see what's up - trying to show off apt :)
[03:51] <Synnergy> my bro always had rpm before
[03:52] <Tm_T> ehh
[03:52] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I restart my connection aswell
[03:53] <smouche> Tm_T, what's it showing now?
[03:54] <smouche> I disconnected completely.
[03:55] <smouche> j ubuntu
[03:55] <smouche> oops
[03:55] <Tm_T> it's still there :p
[03:55] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I restart my connection
[03:55] <Tm_T> ok
[03:56] <Tm_T> doesn't help either =)
[03:56] <Tm_T> strange indeed
[03:56] <Tm_T> one more trick
[03:57] <smouche> is this just me, or are other "listeners" persisting on your connection?
[03:59] <Tm_T> hmm, actually it's connection from my pc to yours, using really strange port
[03:59] <Tm_T> dunno what it is really =)
[04:00] <smouche> yeah, well, um, heh, wtf??
[04:00] <smouche> what port number?
[04:00] <Tm_T> 33606
[04:00] <smouche> I hacked Finland!
[04:01] <Tm_T> eh, one of my computer is not whole country, you know?
[04:01] <Tm_T> s
[04:01] <smouche> yeah, well, I have to start somewhere
[04:01] <Tm_T> haha
[04:02] <smouche> Tm_T, I disconnected totally; so the connection somehow got reestablished
[04:02] <smouche> ?
[04:02] <Tm_T> dunno
[04:03] <smouche> all right, keep your eye on whatever you're looking at; I'm going to unplug from my cable, log out, and log in again
[04:04] <Brazmetal> hey... Is anybody able to mms (straming) videos in kaffeine?
[04:04] <smouche> ok, Tm_T?
[04:05] <Tm_T> smouche: ok
[04:08] <Tm_T> this is really strange
[04:09] <Synnergy> Hey Tm_T - need to install kernel-source for 5.04 - can you tell me what package is named?
[04:10] <smouche> Tm_T, any change?
[04:11] <Brazmetal> hey... Is anybody able to mms (straming) videos in kaffeine?
[04:13] <Tm_T> smouche: guess :p
[04:13] <smouche> Tm_T, do not make me guess.
[04:14] <Tm_T> nothing changed
[04:14] <Tm_T> I think it's just a bug in my firewall gui
[04:14] <smouche> you're a nice guy, Tm_T, but believe me, this is not a computer you want to be linked to in perpetuity
[04:14] <Tm_T> ?
[04:14] <smouche> hah hah hah
[04:15] <Tm_T> strange word there
[04:15] <smouche> yeah, must be the gui
[04:15] <smouche> in perpetuity?  "forever"
[04:15] <Tm_T> ah yes
[04:16] <Tm_T> smouche: because it doesn't disappeared even when your pc was down
[04:16] <smouche> Tm_T, should I dare trying to connect to that stream again?
[04:16] <Tm_T> smouche: sure
[04:18] <smouche> all righhhhhhht!
[04:18] <smouche> what is that?  Finnish?
[04:18] <Tm_T> eh, what a survey, asking "What types of games do you most like to play?" and there's no strategy
[04:18] <smouche> cool!
[04:18] <Tm_T> smouche: yup
[04:18] <smouche> shit, this is great!
[04:18] <Tm_T> haha
[04:20] <smouche> Tm_T, how can I see the playlist? in xmms, only "amarok" is showing
[04:22] <Tm_T> smouche: you wan't to see my playlist?
[04:22] <smouche> heh heh, dead air.  what, you only have one song on there?  who was that anyway?
[04:23] <Tm_T> smouche: nope, it strated to play ogg, and ogg wont stream yet
[04:23] <Tm_T> band was Absoluuttinen Nollapiste
[04:23] <Tm_T> smouche: ok, next song that wokrs =)
[04:24] <Tm_T> plrrr
[04:25] <smouche> allright, Tm_T, it's working in streamtuner to, with beep media player
[04:25] <smouche> how many listeners at once can you handle with that?
[04:26] <smouche> these are good tunes
[04:27] <smouche> ah, excellent, now the song titles are showing, Tm_T
[04:27] <Brazmetal> When I load a video streaming (mms) in kaffeine, I can get the video, but I get no sound.... I have the w32codes installed... does anybody know how to solve this problem?
[04:27] <Tm_T> smouche: well, if I stream straight from my pc, 2 and if I use proxy, up to 100
[04:28] <Tm_T> Brazmetal: hmm, I have many problems with kaffeine, mostly when playing mov files (kaffeine crashes)
[04:28] <smouche> Brazmetal, all I can think is some other app has tied things up; trying "killall artsd" to shut down the engine, then try your video again
[04:29] <Brazmetal> smouche, even if the other videos work perfectly ? 
[04:29] <smouche> ah, don't know Brazmetal
[04:29] <Brazmetal> i can run avi, mpg and wmv... with sound... no problems at all
[04:30] <Brazmetal> just loading a mms stream I get this problem
[04:32] <Tm_T> =)
[04:32] <Tm_T> smouche: you _can_ buy these records too =)
[04:32] <smouche> what does Nollapiste mean, Tm_T?
[04:32] <Tm_T> smouche: zeropoint
[04:33] <smouche> ah, "nolla" is a cognate of null?
[04:36] <smouche> all right, cool, now I really am gonna shut this sucker down and get some work done on the other computer; see you later Tm_T
[04:36] <Tm_T> =)
[04:36] <Tm_T> wtf
[04:36] <Tm_T> again
[04:48] <n17r0> hi I got a problem :/
[04:48] <Tm_T> join the club ;)
[04:50] <n17r0> I just installed Kubuntu and was playing around abit, so I got to the part of mounting partitions, after I mounted hda2 the whole system locks, and i needed to reset my pc, but now the folder for "Storage Media"  is empty. How can I restore it so all my partitions show up again ? 
[04:52] <n17r0> ahh nevermind, they are back again :P
[04:52] <n17r0> hehe i need to learn alot about linux :D
[04:53] <Tm_T> =)
[04:57] <n17r0> ohh btw, as u know the kdelibs-data is fixed, but how can i get back the defualt Kubuntu KDE settings back, cos i now have a KDE desktop. Like when u press on the K-menu, u see there in the right corner KDE 3.4, but the Kubuntu defualt was displaying the name Kubuntu in the K-menu right corner. How to restore this ? 
[04:57] <Tm_T> hm?
[04:57] <n17r0> and icons on the taskbar where also changed
[04:58] <n17r0> ohh correction: i mean in the left corner of the kde start menu
[04:59] <n17r0> U know what I mean ?
[05:00] <Tm_T> hmm, yes
[05:02] <n17r0> any way to fix this ?
[05:03] <Tm_T> check your icon settings?
[05:03] <Tm_T> dunno really
[05:04] <n17r0> well its not a big problem anyway :] 
[05:05] <Tm_T> hmm, I just edit my desktop graphics =)
[05:06] <n17r0> yeah guess thats the way to do it
[05:06] <Tm_T> well it's the only way if you like to do it yourself
[05:06] <n17r0> and how about the performance of firefox 1.04 on Kubuntu ? Is it worth installing ?
[05:07] <Tm_T> yes
[05:07] <n17r0> cool i also just installed sun-java 1.5
[06:37] <_luke> whats the deal with deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main ? whats in the repositry??
[06:37] <\sh> hoary updates
[06:37] <\sh> if there r any
[06:39] <\sh> for kubuntu
[06:39] <_luke> just for kubuntu?
[06:39] <Tm_T> \sh: any luck with pykde yet?
[06:39] <\sh> Tm_T: right now, on my hoary box pykde is working with some patches for kskeleton
[06:39] <\sh> Tm_T: but as we're in the cxx transition I will wait with the injecting into universe
[06:39] <Tm_T> hmm
[06:40] <\sh> Tm_T: and in the end, I'm waiting for upstream to get the patches inside the main source, cause it's changing the syntax of some methods inside pykde...and these syntax changes need to be documented
[06:42] <Tm_T> ah ok
[07:18] <KaiL> who said, Linux is slow?
[07:19] <Tm_T> o/
[07:19] <Tm_T> it is
[07:19] <Tm_T> my dos 6.22 is sooo much faster
[07:19] <KaiL> I don't think, you can play a DVD on a K6-2/500 with Windows, or? :)
[07:19] <Tm_T> ever tried BeOS ?
[07:20] <KaiL> far ago, yes
[07:20] <Tm_T> :)
[07:20] <SlicerDicer-> is it possible to get the default kde "K" menu back?
[07:20] <SlicerDicer-> I keep on trying but failing....
[07:20] <Tm_T> SlicerDicer-: uhm, what you mean, default icon?
[07:20] <KaiL> SlicerDicer-: rightclick on panel -> add -> special button -> kmenu
[07:21] <Tm_T> ah
[07:21] <SlicerDicer-> not that kail
[07:21] <SlicerDicer-> I am talking the default k menu itself
[07:21] <SlicerDicer-> when you kick on the "K" it brings up a menu
[07:21] <Tm_T> and?
[07:22] <_luke> can someone help me with this error: luke@kubuntu:~ $ sudo apt-get upgrade, Reading package lists... Done, Segmentation faulty tree... 50%
[07:22] <KaiL> yes
[07:22] <SlicerDicer-> well the damn default one for ubuntu is stupidly small and does not have half the features that the original default KDE one does
[07:22] <KaiL> _luke: ugs
[07:22] <_luke> ugs?
[07:23] <SlicerDicer-> zug zug
[07:23] <KaiL> that looks bad
[07:23] <Tm_T> SlicerDicer-: eh, you can set it as much as you like ;)
[07:23] <SlicerDicer-> well I know i can set it
[07:23] <salbee> slicerdicer : i am afrid to do that you have to unistall the kubuntu desktop
[07:23] <SlicerDicer-> I am asking how to get rid of the kubuntu one and put the default one back....
[07:23] <Tm_T> hmm, same kmenu
[07:23] <Tm_T> yes, it is the same kmenu
[07:24] <SlicerDicer-> does that break the qpplets salbee?
[07:24] <SlicerDicer-> err applets
[07:24] <salbee> what i did is installed kde without kdm and kubuntu desktop
[07:24] <_luke> kail: whats ugs?
[07:24] <Tm_T> SlicerDicer-: no, don't do it, it does change nothing
[07:24] <salbee> this way i had the original menu and then i had to orgnize it
[07:25] <Tm_T> SlicerDicer-: give me a screenshot from your menu, I relly don't see your problem
[07:25] <SlicerDicer-> have you never seen a default kde menu
[07:25] <SlicerDicer-> if you were to build kde yourself from source?
[07:25] <Tm_T> all what I'm saying, I have about same kmenu whatever I do or whatever distro I use
[07:26] <Tm_T> so I don't understand what's different in your case
[07:26] <SlicerDicer-> hang on
[07:26] <salbee> tm slicer is right the menu is really unorganized
[07:26] <SlicerDicer-> its just fubar
[07:26] <SlicerDicer-> thats all there is to say
[07:26] <Tm_T> eh
[07:26] <Tm_T> unorganized?
[07:27] <SlicerDicer-> I am going to show you gentoo vs kubuntu menu
[07:27] <SlicerDicer-> just relax :)
[07:27] <Tm_T> ok
[07:27] <SlicerDicer-> glad I got LCD moniters lol otherwise this would be much harder hehe
[07:27] <SlicerDicer-> I have reinstalled ubuntu 4 times now cause of breaking kicker trying to get the "default" menu back
[07:28] <SlicerDicer-> some of the simple things missing are say.... "most used applications" section etc
[07:28] <Tm_T> eh?
[07:28] <SlicerDicer-> editors section is nowhere to be found that lists kwrite kate etc
[07:29] <KaiL> a digital Audio _input_ on the Mainboard/Soundcard would be nice :)
[07:29] <Tm_T> SlicerDicer-: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_032.png
[07:29] <KaiL> then I could transfer the signal digitally between the Systems
[07:29] <SlicerDicer-> settings section is gone, lost and found, personal files (home) bookmarks and quick browser are all gone
[07:29] <Tm_T> SlicerDicer-: you mean what?
[07:29] <Tm_T> SlicerDicer-: I got all of that =)
[07:30] <SlicerDicer-> wtf.....
[07:30] <Tm_T> xD
[07:30] <SlicerDicer-> why dont i?
[07:30] <SlicerDicer-> damn if only mine looked like that
[07:30] <SlicerDicer-> mine looks like shit....
[07:30] <Tm_T> first, try kappfinder
[07:30] <Tm_T> next, configure your kmenu
[07:31] <SlicerDicer-> argh... I should not have to manually put in all the shit that should be there by default....
[07:31] <Tm_T> manually?
[07:31] <Tm_T> you don't have to set much
[07:31] <Tm_T> and some people don't want them by default
[07:32] <SlicerDicer-> its reporting it incorrectly anyway
[07:32] <SlicerDicer-> all under the wrong damn sections
[07:33] <SlicerDicer-> and that still does not explain why most used apps does not appear
[07:33] <KaiL> 50C - my K6-2 seams to be getting a temperature problem 
[07:33] <SlicerDicer-> I feel like strangling my desktop thats how bad it looks
[07:34] <DiabloD3> 50c isnt so bad, you know
[07:34] <KaiL> DiabloD3: while idling it has 28 ;)
[07:34] <DiabloD3> as a general rule, add 10c to any chip that doesnt have an on die sensor
[07:34] <DiabloD3> so thats realistically 60c
[07:34] <KaiL> so we have 60...
[07:35] <DiabloD3> >65c is considered bad
[07:35] <SlicerDicer-> hang on Tm_T
[07:35] <DiabloD3> and k6s are known for not heating evenly
[07:35] <DiabloD3> so some parts might be 65c
[07:35] <DiabloD3> so, yeah, you may have a heating problem =P
[07:35] <SlicerDicer-> http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/screwedkde.png that should help explain
[07:35] <SlicerDicer-> it looks like hell
[07:36] <SlicerDicer-> half of the menu is missing....
[07:36] <DiabloD3> lemme look
[07:36] <KaiL> DiabloD3: the cooler is designed for a Athlon, so THAT shouldn't be the problem
[07:37] <DiabloD3> KaiL: ... it should be designed for a socket 7 proc >_<
[07:37] <Tm_T> SlicerDicer-: xD
[07:37] <KaiL> DiabloD3: "designed" means 5cm high, not 1cm as common to that time ;)
[07:37] <DiabloD3> erm
[07:37] <DiabloD3> half of what menu is missing?
[07:37] <DiabloD3> KaiL: doesnt mean its the right size to fit it
[07:37] <KaiL> but I guess, it was also not common to play DVDs on this
[07:38] <Tm_T> SlicerDicer-: eh, just conf your menu, and please run kappfinder
[07:38] <DiabloD3> KaiL: no. it wasnt.
[07:38] <DiabloD3> er, wow
[07:38] <SlicerDicer-> Tm_T, like I said already it does not put the apps in the right place
[07:38] <DiabloD3> wtf happened to your menu
[07:38] <SlicerDicer-> nor does it find them all
[07:38] <SlicerDicer-> DiabloD3, thats a fresh install
[07:38] <Tm_T> haha
[07:38] <SlicerDicer-> i have had it happen 4 times
[07:38] <SlicerDicer-> it looks like shit
[07:39] <DiabloD3> .... wtf
[07:39] <SlicerDicer-> yeah
[07:39] <Tm_T> ok, broken install media
[07:39] <SlicerDicer-> tell me about it
[07:39] <KaiL> this is one of the fastest Socket 7 CPUs ever and the DVD playback isn't perfect
[07:39] <SlicerDicer-> unless its 64bit screwing up Tm_T 
[07:39] <SlicerDicer-> I dont know
[07:39] <DiabloD3> KaiL: because the cache isnt big enough
[07:39] <Tm_T> SlicerDicer-: try 32bit ;)
[07:39] <SlicerDicer-> argh...
[07:39] <KaiL> SlicerDicer-: there's only the "change user" menu missing
[07:39] <DiabloD3> KaiL: mpeg2 murders low cache cpus
[07:39] <SlicerDicer-> KaiL, I think not
[07:39] <DiabloD3> KaiL: p2s and k6s alike
[07:40] <KaiL> DiabloD3: you think, a K6-III will be faster?
[07:40] <SlicerDicer-> hang on I will show you the real menu
[07:40] <SlicerDicer-> but I am going to break ubuntu
[07:40] <KaiL> (the K6-2 has only the mainboard cache)
[07:40] <DiabloD3> KaiL: p3s get away because of better cache design (and I think more cache, but dont quote me), and k7s just fucking rock
[07:40] <DiabloD3> KaiL: well, you'd think having the l2 would help
[07:40] <DiabloD3> KaiL: it atleast would be faster than the mobo l2
[07:41] <DiabloD3> (which turns the mobo l2 into l3)
[07:41] <KaiL> but does it help here?
[07:41] <DiabloD3> it might
[07:41] <DiabloD3> but I doubt it
[07:41] <KaiL> *g*
[07:42] <DiabloD3> you will see a performance increase though
[07:42] <DiabloD3> well, in anything that stabs cache in the face
[07:42] <KaiL> funny enough, I play a DVD on a system, you might be unable to even install Windows on ;)
[07:42] <DiabloD3> thats nothing new KaiL 
[07:43] <DiabloD3> windows is entirely fucked up in its media subsystem
[07:43] <DiabloD3> for no good reason either
[07:43] <DiabloD3> like, compare ffmpeg vs ffdshow
[07:43] <KaiL> DRM.......
[07:43] <DiabloD3> using, say, two simplistic apps
[07:44] <DiabloD3> like mplayer vs media player v6
[07:44] <SlicerDicer-> ok I have totally broken kicker now
[07:44] <DiabloD3> mplayer will fucking blow it out of the water
[07:44] <SlicerDicer-> let me show you what it looks like normal Tm_T 
[07:44] <DiabloD3> hands down
[07:44] <DiabloD3> on any codec
[07:44] <SlicerDicer-> its still not normal but its more normal
[07:44] <KaiL> SlicerDicer-: you know, that you can configure the menu?
[07:45] <SlicerDicer-> yes damn it I know I can but I should not need to redo something that should be done by default
[07:45] <Tm_T> eh
[07:45] <DiabloD3> sounds like your install media is fucked
[07:45] <SlicerDicer-> kinda defeats the purpose of using something like ubuntu if I have to spend several hours to install the "K" menu properly
[07:45] <Tm_T> 08:39 < Tm_T> ok, broken install media
[07:45] <KaiL> why do you think, your definition of good default is the good default for everybody?
[07:46] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer-: try apt-get dist-upgrading
[07:46] <KaiL> DiabloD3: nop, that IS (more or less) how default looks
[07:46] <SlicerDicer-> KaiL, dont you know that there is a default set by kde.org?
[07:46] <SlicerDicer-> KaiL, or are you just totally missing that
[07:46] <Tm_T> SlicerDicer-: eh, I got different
[07:46] <SlicerDicer-> http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/screwedkde1.png
[07:46] <SlicerDicer-> btw thats what I just did
[07:46] <Tm_T> I mean KaiL !
[07:46] <KaiL> SlicerDicer-: kubuntu has it's own (sometimes different) defaults
[07:46] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer-: then uninstall kdm, kill X, rm -rf .kde, reinstall kubuntu-desktop, and /etc/init.d/kde start
[07:46] <SlicerDicer-> I totally broke kicker but I got part of it going
[07:46] <DiabloD3> KaiL: no, it doesnt
[07:47] <DiabloD3> mine has most used apps, and bookmarks and quick browser and run command and switch user
[07:47] <DiabloD3> his doesnt
[07:47] <Tm_T> so it's broken
[07:47] <SlicerDicer-> KaiL, btw go install fedora go install gentoo go install mandrake or whatever that new name is or any other bloody distro
[07:47] <SlicerDicer-> kde has a default menu
[07:48] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer-: so try what I asked
[07:48] <Tm_T> SlicerDicer-: fedora's default is different than others, because of fedora :o
[07:48] <KaiL> DiabloD3: he has run. most used, bookmarks and quick browser are disabled in kubuntu default (as I have it on the K6-2)
[07:48] <DiabloD3> if your install media has a broken package, you cant do much
[07:48] <SlicerDicer-> I already removed kubuntu-desktop and it fried kicker
[07:48] <DiabloD3> KaiL: then why are they enabled on my default install, hmm?
[07:48] <KaiL> SlicerDicer-: did you ever update?
[07:48] <Tm_T> but anyway, shower and coffee =>>
[07:48] <SlicerDicer-> KaiL, of course
[07:48] <DiabloD3> nice try SlicerDicer-, but kubuntu-desktop is just a meta package
[07:48] <DiabloD3> nothing is actually in it
[07:48] <DiabloD3> so removing it cant fry kicker
[07:49] <SlicerDicer-> DiabloD3, bullshit!
[07:49] <KaiL> SlicerDicer-: because I'm shure, your default settings are lost ;)
[07:49] <DiabloD3> Don't bullshit me, son.
[07:49] <SlicerDicer-> DiabloD3, listen....
[07:49] <SlicerDicer-> I just now removed kubuntu-desktop
[07:49] <KaiL> else you'd have a "kubuntu 5.04" on the left :)
[07:49] <SlicerDicer-> thats how I got the menu to show somewhat properly but now applets will not start
[07:49] <SlicerDicer-> so I have no damn menu
[07:50] <SlicerDicer-> I have done this 5 times now
[07:50] <KaiL> SlicerDicer-: remove kubuntu-default-settings, relogin and then tell again.
[07:50] <DiabloD3> 5.04 or 5.4?
[07:50] <KaiL> ah, and reinstall that package ;)
[07:50] <KaiL> 5.4
[07:51] <SlicerDicer-> brb
[07:51] <KaiL> in other words: "dpkg -P kubuntu-default-settings; apt-get install kubuntu-default-settings"
[07:52] <DiabloD3> heh
[07:52] <KaiL> recreating /etc/kderc
[07:52] <DiabloD3> afk
[07:53] <SlicerDicer-> naw man kicker is fried its baked
[07:53] <SlicerDicer-> deep fried
[07:53] <SlicerDicer-> maybe its cause of 64bit
[07:53] <SlicerDicer-> do you guys use 64bit kubuntu or does anybody here?
[07:53] <KaiL> SlicerDicer-: reinstalled kubuntu-default-settings before relogin?
[07:53] <SlicerDicer-> yep
[07:54] <SlicerDicer-> I totally restarted X actually
[07:54] <KaiL> then you should see at least some changes
[07:54] <SlicerDicer-> nope
[07:54] <KaiL> for example the "kubuntu 5.4" on the left
[07:54] <SlicerDicer-> just reverted back to fucked up kde "k" menu
[07:54] <SlicerDicer-> but all the applets are nuked
[07:54] <SlicerDicer-> no clock nothing
[07:54] <SlicerDicer-> and I had to manually add the k menu so I could get to it
[07:54] <SlicerDicer-> but it nuked kicker out
[07:55] <KaiL> does the file /etc/kderc exist?
[07:55] <SlicerDicer-> want another screenshot?
[07:55] <SlicerDicer-> yeah
[07:56] <SlicerDicer-> http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/screwedkde.png http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/screwedkde1.png
[07:56] <SlicerDicer-> did you happen to compare those?
[07:57] <SlicerDicer-> one has the kmenu somewhat proper still really screwed but its better.... all the applets are gone though
[07:57] <SlicerDicer-> one has totally screwed kmenu
[07:57] <KaiL> http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/screwedkde.png << this looks quite close to default
[07:57] <SlicerDicer-> then you are missing my point I want KDE default not ubuntu default
[07:57] <KaiL> the other is really broken
[07:58] <SlicerDicer-> the other is not broken
[07:58] <KaiL> why do you not change the settings manually, if you want them different to kubuntu settings?
[07:58] <SlicerDicer-> whatever KaiL obviously you dont know what you are talking about. I have been using linux for years and use it as my only operating system 
[07:59] <SlicerDicer-> I do know what the KDE default settings are... these are not them you dont know how to do it and are arguing with me on what they are 
[07:59] <SlicerDicer-> not worth my time
[07:59] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer-: nuke ~/.kde and relogin
[07:59] <KaiL> I know the KDE defaults and I know, that they are most idiotic
[08:00] <SlicerDicer-> lol
[08:00] <KaiL> DiabloD3: that would "break" thinks even more in his opinion, as he sees the existance of kubuntu-default-settings a bug
[08:00] <DiabloD3> KaiL: oh shush
[08:00] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer-: try it
[08:00] <SlicerDicer-> KaiL, my shit is already fucked so it dont matter
[08:01] <SlicerDicer-> I broke it cause you did not trust me that crap was screwed 
[08:01] <SlicerDicer-> gone DiabloD3
[08:01] <DiabloD3> go try it
[08:01] <SlicerDicer-> I can do more than one thing :) brb
[08:01] <DiabloD3> so go relogin
[08:01] <SlicerDicer> just incase it breaks everything lol
[08:02] <SlicerDicer> nah kicker is still screwed
[08:02] <DiabloD3> hrm
[08:02] <SlicerDicer> same with "k" menu
[08:02] <KaiL> http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=306&slide=45 this is kubuntu default.
[08:02] <DiabloD3> uninstall kubuntu-default-settings
[08:03] <DiabloD3> nuke .kde, relogin
[08:03] <KaiL> you can change from that base, if you want.
[08:03] <KaiL> or remove kubuntu-default-settings, but I don't know, what happenes then (and I don't care)
[08:03] <SlicerDicer> ok DiabloD3
[08:03] <SlicerDicer> well then keep your comments to yourself KaiL
[08:04] <DiabloD3> KaiL: I think it does kde default
[08:04] <DiabloD3> it would be the only thing that would explain why I have a normal kde menu
[08:04] <DiabloD3> shush KaiL 
[08:04] <SlicerDicer> I am not being a asshole
[08:04] <DiabloD3> will you two quit being idiotic.
[08:05] <SlicerDicer> DiabloD3: he wont fucking stop
[08:05] <DiabloD3> btw, if thats kubuntu's default, kubuntu is broken
[08:05] <Tm_T> o/
[08:05] <KaiL> DiabloD3: why? because it's not allowed to change the "holy defaults of KDE"?
[08:05] <SlicerDicer> I am having a very hard time doing things cause I have hardly any control over my system considering kicker is friend
[08:06] <DiabloD3> no, because the "holy defaults of KDE" dont suck
[08:06] <Tm_T> eh
[08:06] <KaiL> DiabloD3: that's your opinion and you are allowed to change your settings. But don't behave, as if anything else is a bug
[08:07] <DiabloD3> KaiL: bug. filing. now.
[08:07] <SlicerDicer> well kicker is back to life properly kinda...
[08:08] <KaiL> please give me the number for the "WONTFIX" of "NOTABUG" :)
[08:08] <SlicerDicer> still screwed DiabloD3
[08:08] <SlicerDicer> KaiL: will you shut the fuck up man
[08:08] <SlicerDicer> your offering nothing of use to this coversation and just trolling
[08:08] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer: what the fuck.
[08:08] <SlicerDicer> DiabloD3: kicker clock and a few other things came back but the menu is screwd still
[08:09] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer: a) what the fuck b) how the fuck did I get the ubermenu then?
[08:09] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer: something is seriously overfucked on your box, and I dont know what
[08:09] <SlicerDicer> haha
[08:09] <DiabloD3> http://grammarian.homelinux.net/~kde-cvs/crystal-kwin.png
[08:10] <SlicerDicer> let me try nuking some more stuff
[08:10] <DiabloD3> thats what a kde desktop should look like
[08:10] <KaiL> bah, window borders
[08:10] <Tm_T> yuuuuk, gkrellm
[08:10] <DiabloD3> well except for the kwin theme
[08:10] <DiabloD3> I dont like crystal
[08:10] <SlicerDicer> god damn guys...
[08:11] <Tm_T> =)
[08:11] <DiabloD3> but that kicker
[08:11] <DiabloD3> yow
[08:11] <DiabloD3> thats _sexy_
[08:11] <Tm_T> I'm sexy
[08:11] <Tm_T> no Im not
[08:11] <DiabloD3> no, you're not
[08:11] <Tm_T> am I?
[08:11] <Tm_T> :/
[08:11] <DiabloD3> are you a guy?
[08:11] <Tm_T> hmm, I think so, lemme check
[08:12] <DiabloD3> are you gay?
[08:12] <Tm_T> no way!
[08:12] <DiabloD3> if not, you're screwed
[08:12] <SlicerDicer> I am nuking more stuff
[08:12] <Tm_T> =)
[08:12] <DiabloD3> only gay guys, lesbian women, and straight women can be sexy
[08:12] <Tm_T> haha
[08:12] <Tm_T> so maybe I'm not a guy then
[08:12] <Tm_T> ...what am I ?
[08:12] <DiabloD3> and I wish I had some gay guy friends. They could teach me to pick up chicks with my newly found sudo-gayness
[08:13] <SlicerDicer> lol
[08:14] <SlicerDicer> well DiabloD3 its a little better
[08:14] <SlicerDicer> still looks like ass though
[08:14] <SlicerDicer> I am going to reinstall kubuntu and try that again
[08:14] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer: I wonder if 64bit is just totally fucked
[08:15] <SlicerDicer> I think you are on the right track there
[08:15] <DiabloD3> because its not making any sense 
[08:15] <SlicerDicer> something you had me do fixed half of the stuff
[08:15] <SlicerDicer> only half though
[08:15] <DiabloD3> hrm
[08:15] <SlicerDicer> I cant get to kubuntu.org to test the x86 cd though
[08:15] <DiabloD3> now, for the record, I didnt completely install kde when I started stuff up
[08:16] <KaiL> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/kubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso maybe the direct link works?
[08:16] <DiabloD3> so the kde defaults are in there _somewhere_
[08:16] <SlicerDicer> yeah somewhere
[08:16] <KaiL> DiabloD3: kdelibs-data I guess ;)
[08:16] <SlicerDicer> its just under a mountain of _shit_
[08:16] <DiabloD3> KaiL: you'd think
[08:16] <DiabloD3> but go look at that kicker
[08:16] <Tm_T> shit? whaere?
[08:17] <SlicerDicer> DiabloD3: I nuked lipstick and it helped
[08:17] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer: lipstick isnt so bad
[08:17] <SlicerDicer> dunno why....
[08:17] <SlicerDicer> DiabloD3: nothing worked right till I nuked it
[08:17] <DiabloD3> turn reverse gradents on, and it looks just like plastik
[08:17] <DiabloD3> huh
[08:17] <DiabloD3> thats whacked
[08:17] <SlicerDicer> yeah....
[08:17] <KaiL> lipstick is like how Plastic would have looked in KDE2 times *g*
[08:17] <DiabloD3> lipstick was also one of the last things I installed
[08:17] <DiabloD3> KaiL: ahahha yeah
[08:18] <DiabloD3> Im actually thinking about going back to plastik
[08:18] <KaiL> same result, but ~200 options, out of which 190 are useless ;)
[08:18] <SlicerDicer> I prefer plastic
[08:18] <SlicerDicer> plastik rather
[08:18] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer: k!
[08:19] <DiabloD3> hrm
[08:19] <DiabloD3> plastik it is
[08:19] <DiabloD3> with animate progress bars, triangular tree expander...
[08:19] <SlicerDicer> no loveloss with me removing it if it helps :)
[08:19] <DiabloD3> wow its just like lipstik with reverse gradents on
[08:19] <SlicerDicer> lipstick that is
[08:20] <SlicerDicer> yep plastik I have been using it for ages
[08:20] <DiabloD3> ooh
[08:20] <DiabloD3> I just fixed a bug
[08:20] <DiabloD3> switching to plastik turns off that annoying menu icon seperator
[08:20] <DiabloD3> gradent background thing
[08:20] <SlicerDicer> haha
[08:21] <DiabloD3> me++
[08:21] <SlicerDicer> me-- with 64bit
[08:21] <KaiL> you can disable that in the mentioned 200 settings ;))
[08:21] <DiabloD3> KaiL: yeah, but, dude
[08:21] <DiabloD3> why the fuck dont I just run plastik in the first place
[08:22] <DiabloD3> infact
[08:22] <DiabloD3> "lipstik is installed, installable, or otherwise exists"
[08:23] <DiabloD3> theres a reason kde defaults to plastik you know
[08:23] <DiabloD3> and theres a reason why ubuntu's gnome defaults to a plastik clone for gtk
[08:23] <Tm_T> simplicity and stability
[08:23] <DiabloD3> tm_T: no
[08:23] <DiabloD3> _it looks good_
[08:23] <Tm_T> it looks ok
[08:24] <DiabloD3> its the best looking theme in existance imo
[08:24] <Tm_T> heh
[08:24] <SlicerDicer> agreed just like the _DEFAULT_ "K" menu
[08:24] <DiabloD3> Im going to agree with slicer on this
[08:24] <DiabloD3> default++
[08:24] <SlicerDicer> well the nice thing about it is you can subtract
[08:24] <Tm_T> I like to edit and change and configure things
[08:24] <SlicerDicer> its alot less time consuming to subtract than add
[08:25] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer: true
[08:25] <SlicerDicer> I would rather have a metric ton of horseshit in the K menu than nothing at all like what I have now
[08:26] <DiabloD3> yeah
[08:26] <DiabloD3> theres a reason theres a delete key on the keyboard and no add key
[08:26] <SlicerDicer> hell it takes me 4x the amount of time if not more to do the same task cause shits so strewn haphazardly as well
[08:26] <Tm_T> =)
[08:26] <larkhill> quick question if I may: mouse pointer periodically leaps around the screen uncontrollably - any guesses anyone?
[08:26] <mrmanic> SlicerDicer: how many apps do you use on a daily basis?
[08:26] <SlicerDicer> such as konsole is not in system like KDE.org defaults its in utilities
[08:27] <Tm_T> larkhill: white desk and optical mouse?
[08:27] <larkhill> Tm_T: notebook, PS2
[08:27] <mrmanic> SlicerDicer: for me, it's generally under 15 apps.
[08:27] <SlicerDicer> mrmanic: has nothing to do with that it has to do with knowing where everything is thats why I like the default its what I am usto
[08:27] <SlicerDicer> retraining your brain to know where all the apps are in a compressed mess is not fun
[08:27] <mrmanic> SlicerDicer: I ended up using kooldock and making my own menu.
[08:27] <SlicerDicer> its not even logical how its layed out
[08:27] <Tm_T> larkhill: yeah, but what type of mouse?
[08:28] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer: logic is for pansies
[08:28] <mrmanic> SlicerDicer: I move my kooldock config from computer to computer.  I haven't had to retrain my mind.
[08:28] <larkhill> Tm_T: just normal, two button
[08:28] <SlicerDicer> well you would think that multimedia apps would be under multimedia not under utilities
[08:28] <SlicerDicer> its totally skewed
[08:28] <larkhill> Tm_T: works fine otherwise, a KDE problem I figure
[08:28] <mrmanic> SlicerDicer: that doesn't solve your k menu problem, but it does offer you a fairly painless solution.
[08:28] <Tm_T> hmm
[08:29] <mrmanic> SlicerDicer: the other thing I do is map "Run Program" to Win-R
[08:29] <Tm_T> larkhill: it's not your screensaver? ;p
[08:29] <SlicerDicer> mrmanic: what you mean?
[08:29] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer: man, lets just put everything in utilities?
[08:29] <mrmanic> so anything not in kooldock I can run manually.
[08:29] <SlicerDicer> DiabloD3: sounds like a PLAN!!!
[08:29] <mrmanic> SlicerDicer: khotkeys
[08:30] <DiabloD3> how strange
[08:30] <DiabloD3> I just got a spam
[08:30] <DiabloD3> with no content in it
[08:30] <mrmanic> SlicerDicer: I use keyboard commands and kooldock to start pretty much every program I use.
[08:30] <KaiL> aha, powernow-k8 works again
[08:30] <SlicerDicer> mrmanic: I dont use hotkeys
[08:31] <Tm_T> SlicerDicer: you don't use keyboard?
[08:31] <mrmanic> SlicerDicer: why?  They're really fast once you get used to them.  It's retraining, but you can take your hotkey setup from system to system if you back up correctly.
[08:31] <SlicerDicer> are you guys having problems with ubuntu mirrors?
[08:31] <SlicerDicer> mrmanic: cause I use a metric ton of apps alot of differnet games etc
[08:31] <Tm_T> SlicerDicer: nope?
[08:32] <SlicerDicer> lol
[08:32] <SlicerDicer> kubuntu.org is dead for me as well
[08:32] <SlicerDicer> earlier the mirrors were only going at 35k
[08:32] <SlicerDicer> last night they were going at 700+
[08:32] <SlicerDicer> screw it I am going to smoke a ciggy this damn apt configure is taking ages
[08:35] <mrmanic> I think I'm getting jaded.
[08:36] <mrmanic> I have begun to believe that when someone has unbelievable amounts of problems, it's a malfunction between the terminal and the seat.
[08:36] <DiabloD3> mrmanic: yeah, but when hes installing shit from default...
[08:36] <mrmanic> I think that's mostly b/c of spending way too much time tech-supporting my brother and mom
[08:36] <mrmanic> they can break anything
[08:36] <SlicerDicer> DiabloD3: kubuntu reinstalled....
[08:36] <DiabloD3> either a) hes lying, b) something is seriously wrong with the x86-64 port
[08:36] <KaiL> mrmanic: lol
[08:36] <SlicerDicer> DiabloD3: I dont lie
[08:37] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer: its still your fault
[08:37] <SlicerDicer> DiabloD3: at least about problems
[08:37] <DiabloD3> mrmanic says so
[08:37] <DiabloD3> PEBKAC!
[08:37] <mrmanic> SlicerDicer: I blame you for your problems, b/c of deep seated emotional problems with my mother.
[08:37] <SlicerDicer> actually mrmanic its "error between moniter and keyboard"
[08:37] <DiabloD3> dr freud, eat your heart out
[08:37] <SlicerDicer> get it right
[08:37] <SlicerDicer> errr shit...
[08:37] <SlicerDicer> now I am being the idiot
[08:38] <DiabloD3> problem exists between keyboard and chair
[08:38] <DiabloD3> pebkac.
[08:38] <SlicerDicer> there you go
[08:38] <SlicerDicer> lol
[08:38] <DiabloD3> so thats three points against you
[08:38] <SlicerDicer> I love the pebkac
[08:38] <DiabloD3> moniter, between moniter and keyboard, and the fact I said pebkac and you still screwed it up
[08:39] <SlicerDicer> naw DiabloD3 I am pretty good at knowing what I am doing I dont normally ask unless I try everything I can and break it several times lol
[08:39] <DiabloD3> need help digging that hole?
[08:39] <SlicerDicer> as such I broke it 4 times
[08:40] <mrmanic> SlicerDicer: I'm just joshing you.  If you're up for it, see if you can isolate the problem.
[08:40] <mrmanic> It's more helpful if you can do that.
[08:40] <SlicerDicer> mrmanic: no problem
[08:40] <mrmanic> A bug saying "it breaks when I do X" is more useful than "your shit is b0rk3d!  again!!"
[08:40] <SlicerDicer> I got nothing better to do I already have wasted a entire day on this trying to troubleshoot it myself
[08:41] <SlicerDicer> haha
[08:41] <SlicerDicer> yeah
[08:41] <SlicerDicer> it is screwed from the word GO
[08:41] <mrmanic> have you checked the kubuntu bug tracker thingy?
[08:41] <mrmanic> is it bugzilla?
[08:41] <DiabloD3> no, launchpad now
[08:41] <mrmanic> ah, when did that happen?
[08:42] <mrmanic> recently?
[08:42] <DiabloD3> bugzilla was a temp thing
[08:42] <SlicerDicer> mrmanic: I am totally new to Ubuntu
[08:42] <SlicerDicer> acutally I come from the land of gentoo :)
[08:42] <DiabloD3> AHAH!
[08:42] <DiabloD3> I KNEW IT!
[08:42] <DiabloD3> I KNEW IT!
[08:42] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer: you fucking ricer!
[08:42] <SlicerDicer> I am a fucking ricer
[08:42] <DiabloD3> No normal user has these many problems!
[08:42] <DiabloD3> Only gentooers do!
[08:42] <SlicerDicer> wana see my make.conf that is commented to allow special flags for any given program!
[08:42] <mrmanic> man
[08:43] <DiabloD3> Goddamn my inuition rocks
[08:43] <mrmanic> I should be an honorary gentooer :(
[08:43] <SlicerDicer> lol
[08:43] <DiabloD3> intuition
[08:43] <DiabloD3> and goddamn my hands are cold
[08:43] <SlicerDicer> DiabloD3: well....
[08:43] <SlicerDicer> I do everything by terminal lol
[08:43] <DiabloD3> so?
[08:44] <DiabloD3> at any given time I have a dozen terminals open
[08:44] <SlicerDicer> its critical that I have my terminal! and the fact its not in the default kubuntu K menu pisses me straight off
[08:45] <DiabloD3> doesnt mean I compile xterm with -O3 -march=pentium3 -mfpmath=sse,387 -funroll-loops -mmmx -msse -fdo-other-shit
[08:45] <DiabloD3> -fomit-frame-pointer
[08:45] <SlicerDicer> alright lets try to do this in a reasonable manner
[08:45] <DiabloD3> oh, and it doesnt mean I spend approx. 2 years bootstrapping a system
[08:45] <SlicerDicer> insted of rm -rfdv ~/.kde lets do a mv :)
[08:45] <DiabloD3> AHAH! RICERISM! RIGHT THERE!
[08:45] <SlicerDicer> DiabloD3: gentoo bootstraps and installs everything in 13 hours on my amd
[08:45] <DiabloD3> -rfdv! like -rf wasnt enough!
[08:46] <SlicerDicer> it looks better!!!
[08:46] <mrmanic> SlicerDicer: is gentoo workable as a workstation OS?
[08:47] <mrmanic> haha
[08:47] <mrmanic> when I run linux commands it's all about how they look.
[08:47] <SlicerDicer> mrmanic: this box is gentoo
[08:47] <SlicerDicer> so is my mythtv
[08:48] <SlicerDicer> I nuked out /.kde after backing it up
[08:48] <mrmanic> SlicerDicer: what percentage of time/processor is taken up by compilation after the initial install?
[08:48] <SlicerDicer> not sure offhand never cared
[08:49] <KaiL> mrmanic: don't discuss with gentoo users, esp. not about this, that's waste of time
[08:49] <DiabloD3> mrmanic: about 25% of the cpu's total lifetime on average
[08:49] <DiabloD3> mrmanic: which is about 2 years on average, due to severe overclocking
[08:49] <mrmanic> man
[08:49] <KaiL> haha
[08:49] <SlicerDicer> I dont overclock
[08:49] <mrmanic> about 33% of my total lifetime on average is spent sleeping
[08:50] <DiabloD3> feh, I do like 50%
[08:50] <mrmanic> that leaves 8% of the time as excess compile time b/c my processor is underclocked.
[08:52] <KaiL> dows powernow count as "underclocking"? :)
[08:52] <DiabloD3> no.
[08:53] <SlicerDicer> mrmanic: here is my plan beings that you said insted of saying "OMGWTFBBQ MY SHIT IS FUXXORED"
[08:53] <SlicerDicer> I just backed up my ~/.kde and am going to remove it
[08:53] <SlicerDicer> see what happens
[08:53] <SlicerDicer> if nothing happens then I am going to remove lipstick
[08:53] <SlicerDicer> then if nothing happens I am going to remove kubuntu-defaults or whatever that package name is sorry I dont have it infront of me atm
[08:54] <mrmanic> not a bad idea.
[08:54] <mrmanic> I hate tracking bugs
[08:54] <mrmanic> you have to be so methodical
[08:54] <DiabloD3> bugs can suck my dick
[08:55] <Tm_T> you don't have a dick?
[08:55] <DiabloD3> tm_T: wtf?
[08:55] <Tm_T> joking...
[08:58] <mrmanic> I wish we had no bugs
[08:58] <mrmanic> If not having a dick meant I could write bug free code for the rest of my life, I think it would be a hard decision.
[08:58] <Tm_T> there's no system without bugs
[08:58] <SlicerDicer> and now another problem hits me in the face
[08:58] <SlicerDicer> ethernet lol
[08:58] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer: atleast it wasnt one of our dicks
[08:59] <mrmanic> !
[08:59] <SlicerDicer> lol
[08:59] <DiabloD3> someone had to say it
[09:01] <harsha_> can some guide me how to setup webdav on kubuntu
[09:01] <SlicerDicer> hey DiabloD3
[09:02] <mrmanic> ooh, that reminds me
[09:02] <SlicerDicer> question for ya
[09:02] <SlicerDicer> you use x86 right?
[09:03] <mrmanic> do any of you know whether svn:// kioslave is supposed to be in kubuntu?
[09:03] <DiabloD3> yeah
[09:03] <SlicerDicer> btw if this dont work I am going to try that
[09:03] <SlicerDicer> its really going to suck to go to x86 after using 64bit
[09:03] <SlicerDicer> and what the fuck is with debian... all together no matter what flavor it does not like my ethernet cards
[09:03] <DiabloD3> who knows
[09:03] <SlicerDicer> the autodetection on the cd fails everytime
[09:03] <DiabloD3> it could be you use unusual ethernet cards
[09:04] <SlicerDicer> both the modules exist if I do a modprobe -l
[09:06] <SlicerDicer> sk98lin is not to unusual these days anyway
[09:06] <SlicerDicer> the marvell chipset
[09:06] <SlicerDicer> gigabit onboard
[09:06] <SlicerDicer> lota mobos have them
[09:06] <DiabloD3> gigabit isnt common
[09:06] <SlicerDicer> errrm sure it is
[09:06] <SlicerDicer> where have you been
[09:06] <DiabloD3> nope. it isnt.
[09:06] <SlicerDicer> all my mobos have gigabit
[09:07] <DiabloD3> thats good for you.
[09:07] <SlicerDicer> hell one is over a year old
[09:07] <DiabloD3> but most people dont have gigabit.
[09:07] <SlicerDicer> they were like 120$ for the k7 board and the k8 board was 248$ or something like that
[09:10] <pd_> Ijust installed Adobe Acrobat7.0 from a tar ball on my kubuntu
[09:10] <pd_> I should say it excellent
[09:11] <DiabloD3> hey SlicerDicer 
[09:11] <DiabloD3> figured out how to turn that shit on
[09:11] <SlicerDicer> yeah?
[09:11] <DiabloD3> right click on K, panel menu, configure panel
[09:11] <SlicerDicer> how how 
[09:11] <SlicerDicer> tell tell!
[09:11] <DiabloD3> click on the menu tab
[09:11] <SlicerDicer> wait....
[09:11] <SlicerDicer> I am in the middle of reinstalling kubuntu
[09:11] <SlicerDicer> lol
[09:12] <SlicerDicer> I broke it and had to reinstall
[09:12] <SlicerDicer> I screwed up my rm -rfdv and nuked out the wrong directory... yeah it happens to the best of us when using tab completion lol
[09:12] <SlicerDicer> least it aint gentoo
[09:13] <DiabloD3> heh
[09:20] <hussam> Riddell: is kde 3.4.1 still planned for kubuntu hoary?
[09:20] <SlicerDicer> damn... is there anyway to stop this configure apt?
[09:20] <SlicerDicer> its just hanging
[09:20] <hussam> Riddell: Hi, just wanted to ask. Is kde 3.4.1 still planned for kubuntu hoary?
[09:20] <DiabloD3> one would think =/
[09:21] <SlicerDicer> DiabloD3: anyway to kill the apt configure during the install
[09:21] <SlicerDicer> cause its just hangin
[09:21] <hussam> Riddell: Hi, just wanted to ask. Is kde 3.4.1 still planned for kubuntu hoary?
[09:21] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer: control c
[09:21] <SlicerDicer> nothing
[09:21] <SlicerDicer> I already tried that
[09:22] <DiabloD3> unplug your connection
[09:22] <SlicerDicer> screw it I am running the installer again
[09:22] <uniqwork> hussam: I don't think it'll go into main. But there will probably be packages for kubuntu, yes.
[09:22] <KaiL> SlicerDicer: it's not hanging, it's downloading some stuff
[09:22] <SlicerDicer> DiabloD3: just a headsup I am a shit magnet
[09:22] <uniqwork> s/main/official archives/
[09:22] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer: no kidding
[09:22] <Tm_T> hussam: well yes, but not into main, universe or multiverse
[09:23] <SlicerDicer> DiabloD3: I have had to RMA more hardware than any one man should...
[09:23] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer: you're a gentooer through and through
[09:23] <SlicerDicer> although the mythtv setup was really painless once I got rid of the compaq mobo
[09:23] <SlicerDicer> vented my frustration by busting all the capaciters off the compaq mobo
[09:23] <DiabloD3> gentooer
[09:24] <SlicerDicer> RICER get it right!
[09:24] <DiabloD3> the nouns are equivilent
[09:25] <DiabloD3> that, and calling you a ricer is an insult to people who put rear spoilers on their mom's nisaans everywhere
[09:25] <SlicerDicer> DiabloD3: gentoo aint that bad really
[09:25] <SlicerDicer> lol
[09:25] <SlicerDicer> I dont own a ricer car!
[09:27] <SlicerDicer> does that help?
[09:27] <DiabloD3> no
[09:29] <SlicerDicer> I guess I am fucked then
[09:30] <SlicerDicer> wow DiabloD3 this update jams at 75%
[09:30] <SlicerDicer> it does the first few  tests just fine
[09:30] <DiabloD3> -_-
[09:30] <SlicerDicer> then halts at security update repository
[09:30] <DiabloD3> just give up now
[09:30] <DiabloD3> give your stuff to someone
[09:30] <DiabloD3> and commit suicide
[09:30] <SlicerDicer> lol
[09:30] <SlicerDicer> I got my ethernet card detected
[09:30] <SlicerDicer> no need for rash measures yet
[09:33] <SlicerDicer> strange
[09:33] <SlicerDicer> I can go to any site around just about but ubuntu is not liking me
[09:35] <SlicerDicer> damn DiabloD3 
[09:35] <SlicerDicer> check this out http://daynews.ru/index.php?act=show_news&id=939751
[09:35] <SlicerDicer> some robber tried to rob this japanese person and thats the elevator camera
[09:35] <SlicerDicer> she broke his neck...
[09:36] <SlicerDicer> thats some serious WWF style there
[09:37] <DiabloD3> wtf is 'wwf'?
[09:37] <SlicerDicer> that wrestling shit
[09:37] <DiabloD3> oh, I dont watch reality shows
[09:38] <SlicerDicer> dude
[09:38] <SlicerDicer> its been around for ages
[09:38] <SlicerDicer> WWF has
[09:38] <mrmanic|sleep> WWF is not reality
[09:38] <mrmanic|sleep> WWF is acting
[09:38] <DiabloD3> right
[09:38] <DiabloD3> whatever it is, I dont watch it
[09:39] <Tm_T> it's "sport entertainment"
[09:39] <SlicerDicer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulk_Hogan
[09:39] <SlicerDicer> never heard of him?
[09:39] <mrmanic|sleep> DiabloD3: I don't either.  
[09:39] <DiabloD3> nope
[09:39] <SlicerDicer> wow....
[09:39] <SlicerDicer> I never watched it but I sure as hell know who he is
[09:45] <SlicerDicer> hey DiabloD3 you still here?
[09:45] <SlicerDicer> this damn testing of the repository is taking forever if you want to tell me how to do it in a pvt message that would be great
[09:46] <DiabloD3> nope, no ideas
[09:47] <SlicerDicer> you said you figured it out...
[09:47] <DiabloD3> I said unplug your connection
[09:47] <SlicerDicer> [00:15]  <DiabloD3> hey SlicerDicer 
[09:47] <SlicerDicer> [00:15]  <DiabloD3> figured out how to turn that shit on
[09:48] <DiabloD3> that applies to the kde menu
[09:48] <SlicerDicer> right
[09:48] <SlicerDicer> thats what I need moreso
[09:48] <SlicerDicer> hopefully this install will complete
[09:48] <DiabloD3> its right below that part you pasted
[09:51] <SlicerDicer> its not kicker...
[09:51] <SlicerDicer> when you click the K
[09:51] <SlicerDicer> that menu
[09:51] <SlicerDicer> that lists all the apps and stuff
 right click on K, panel menu, configure panel
 click on the menu tab
[09:52] <SlicerDicer> ok well slap me :)
[09:52] <SlicerDicer> I did not catch the click on menu tab
[09:53] <SlicerDicer> wow finally it finished lol
[09:54] <DiabloD3> afk
[10:10] <Tm_T> pd_: please, don't tell us your come&gos
[10:24] <pd_> ok Tm_T 
[10:26] <Tm_T> pd_: thank you :)
[10:26] <Tm_T> pd_: well, you can tell your comes and gos if you wan't to, but awaytime is really only a ircspam to me
[10:26] <pd_> hehehe
[10:27] <Tm_T> you know, when your screen is filled with "11:03  * pd_ is back (gone 00:18:45" style stuff
[10:30] <pd_> Tm_T, I can understand, so many joined and left messages it self is dreaded
[10:31] <pd_> but sometimes is usefull too
[10:32] <Tm_T> yes
[10:32] <Tm_T> maybe it's just me
[10:32] <Tm_T> I really hate automatic script stuff
[10:33] <Tm_T> I feel myself old...
[10:33] <pd_> Tm_T, automation is what everybody wants
[10:33] <pd_> Especially me CEO :)
[10:34] <Tm_T> well, yes when it really helps
[10:35] <SlicerDicer-> yay 
[10:37] <pd_> SlicerDicer, I dont see yay here today
[10:37] <SlicerDicer-> no just yay everything is working well now
[10:37] <pd_> hehe
[10:37] <Tm_T> SlicerDicer-: what you did?
[10:38] <SlicerDicer-> rightclicked kmenu, panel editor, configure panel, then menus tab
[10:38] <Tm_T> heh
[10:38] <SlicerDicer-> added the optional menus I wanted
[10:38] <SlicerDicer-> then added a few manual things and its good to go
[10:38] <Tm_T> I said so?
[10:38] <SlicerDicer-> sec need to reboot X
[10:41] <Tm_T> ok?
[10:41] <SlicerDicer-> much better :)
[10:41] <SlicerDicer-> now I got graphics acceleration
[10:44] <pd_> woow SlicerDicer how did u get that
[10:44] <SlicerDicer-> what you mean?
[10:44] <pd_> this graphics acceleration
[10:44] <pd_> what did u enable
[10:44] <SlicerDicer-> are you being sarcastic?
[10:44] <pd_> no really thats a genuine doubt
[10:45] <pd_> I have an ATI 9200 on my laptop, my screen saver is kinda slow
[10:45] <SlicerDicer-> ahh I own nvidia!
[10:45] <Choubaka> Hmm. 9200.
[10:45] <KaiL> pd_: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf change the driver from "ati" to "radeon".
[10:45] <pd_> Aok kail will try that now itself
[10:45] <Choubaka> Radeon 9200 has the open source DRI drivers. :)
[10:46] <SlicerDicer-> put on nvidia-glx, nano /etx/X11/xorg.conf disabled dri, disabled hsync and vsync, put in nvidia insted of nv :)
[10:46] <SlicerDicer-> thats how I did
[10:46] <KaiL> Choubaka: that's what get's enabled with that
[10:46] <pd_> ok SlicerDicer 
[10:46] <Choubaka> KaiL: I know
[10:46] <SlicerDicer-> pretty straightforward with nvidia cards
[10:46] <Choubaka> pd_: follow KaiL's advice.
[10:46] <pd_> ok ChinaCatJones 
[10:46] <pd_> ok Choubaka 
[10:46] <Choubaka> :P
[10:46] <Choubaka> pd_: and _Don't_ disable DRI :P
[10:46] <SlicerDicer-> although I would not advise disabling hsync, vsync unless you got the moniter I do :)
[10:47] <SlicerDicer-> Choubaka, its different for nvidia
[10:47] <Choubaka> I know
[10:47] <Choubaka> I own an nvidia
[10:47] <KaiL> SlicerDicer: I know, you don't care, but there's eben an easier way for nvidia
[10:47] <SlicerDicer-> I do stuff manually its easier for me that way I can do it in seconds :)
[10:47] <KaiL> and why did you remove hsync/vsync? those are the same values, ddc reads out of the monitor firmware
[10:48] <SlicerDicer-> beacause my moniter does not have a hsync/vsync
[10:48] <Choubaka> LCD? :p
[10:48] <KaiL> also has something like this
[10:48] <SlicerDicer-> 20" apple display :)
[10:48] <KaiL> ok, big TFT
[10:48] <Choubaka> ooh.
[10:49] <Choubaka> Gimme.
[10:49] <SlicerDicer-> hehe
[10:49] <SlicerDicer-> its slick as hell that kubuntu supports 1680x1050
[10:49] <Choubaka> I want a mac too.
[10:49] <SlicerDicer-> gentoo and fedora dont work right with this moniter
[10:49] <pd_> what is this DRI thing
[10:49] <Choubaka> I'm tired of crappy and nonworking PC hardware
[10:49] <pd_> Section "DRI"
[10:49] <pd_>         Mode    0666
[10:49] <pd_> EndSection
[10:49] <Choubaka> pd_: Direct rendering infrastructure or something
[10:50] <Choubaka> pd_: let it be.
[10:50] <KaiL> pd_: a framework for 3D on most cards
[10:50] <pd_> ok
[10:50] <KaiL> or better: on all except nvidia :)
[10:50] <Choubaka> :)
[10:50] <Choubaka> nvidia binary drivers are rather good though.
[10:50] <KaiL> ...if you can talk about "3D" on VIA/S3 or SiS crap
[10:50] <Choubaka> But Open source support is better. .)
[10:51] <KaiL> Choubaka: guess, why I have an ATI Radeon 9250 now here
[10:51] <SlicerDicer-> http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/myrigs.jpg give that a look the screenshot was for somethng else but that time has gone now :)
[10:52] <KaiL> 17" on the left?
[10:52] <SlicerDicer-> yeah sony
[10:52] <SlicerDicer-> and on the other side of that sony is a 19" princeton on my mac
[10:52] <SlicerDicer-> G4 1ghz :)
[10:52] <KaiL> I only have 17" here and an awefull 15" CRT
[10:52] <SlicerDicer-> not the best but its good
[10:52] <Choubaka> KaiL: I heard X.org 7.0 will include support for r300 ATI cards :|
[10:52] <KaiL> Choubaka: we'll see
[10:52] <SlicerDicer-> KaiL, I feel your pain
[10:53] <DiabloD3> Choubaka: um
[10:53] <DiabloD3> Choubaka: not quite
[10:53] <DiabloD3> the 2D part already works
[10:53] <KaiL> maybe one of my computers will be fed with a 9550 then (also passive cooled ;)
[10:53] <DiabloD3> and you can use the binary drivers already
[10:53] <SlicerDicer-> I had a 15inch CRT compaq that was nasty on the one that has the sony not more than a week ago I just upgraded from CRT to LCD
[10:53] <Choubaka> DiabloD3: I know
[10:53] <Choubaka> I meant 3d :P
[10:53] <DiabloD3> as for dri, the dri r300/400 driver is still incomplete
[10:53] <KaiL> DiabloD3: he means free 3D support for R300 (and btw. R400 too)
[10:53] <DiabloD3> read above comments damnit.
[10:53] <SlicerDicer-> DiabloD3, everything is good now
[10:54] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer-: r0xx0r
[10:54] <DiabloD3> but yeah, the fglrx drivers do already support r300/r400
[10:54] <DiabloD3> and the dri r3/400 drivers will be incomplete for awhile now
[10:54] <KaiL> ok, now who gives me the money for a second 17" and a 20"? :)
[10:54] <DiabloD3> no one
[10:54] <DiabloD3> no stfu and quit begging
[10:55] <SlicerDicer-> KaiL, haha
[10:55] <SlicerDicer-> hey anybody feel up to answering a extreme n00bler question of how to use a .deb lol
[10:55] <KaiL> http://www1.alternate.de/html/main/product/DetailPopup.html?artno=V2LH10 ther's the one here
[10:55] <KaiL> that's..
[10:56] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer-: dpkg -i foo.deb
[10:56] <SlicerDicer-> thx
[10:57] <SlicerDicer-> dont matter anyway that .deb wont work
[10:57] <DiabloD3> why not?
[10:57] <SlicerDicer-> cause it sucks
[10:57] <SlicerDicer-> its not amd64 its i386
[10:58] <DiabloD3> ... that doesnt make _it_ suck
[10:58] <DiabloD3> it makes _you_ suck
[10:58] <SlicerDicer-> lol
[10:58] <DiabloD3> its your fault you're not using i386, not it's
[10:58] <SlicerDicer-> no worry I just grabbed the tgz and will manually install it
[11:00] <SlicerDicer-> there is always more than one way to skin a cat :)
[11:03] <SlicerDicer-> now I just need to figure out how to get 32bit 3d acceleration :/
[11:04] <DiabloD3> what video card?
[11:04] <SlicerDicer-> nvidia
[11:04] <SlicerDicer-> it works in 64bit just not 32bit
[11:04] <DiabloD3> that would involve installing the nvidia drivers
[11:04] <SlicerDicer-> already installed them
[11:04] <pd_> i have this site http://www.xxx.com:8080/ima -- How can I convert this in such a way that users get this when they type http://www.xxx.com/ima
[11:05] <DiabloD3> then...
[11:05] <DiabloD3> you're pretty screwed
[11:05] <pd_> I also have apache 1.3 running 
[11:05] <DiabloD3> pd_: ask in #apache
[11:05] <SlicerDicer-> nah DiabloD3 I dealt with this before with gentoo :)
[11:05] <\sh> pd_: Redirect
[11:05] <SlicerDicer-> I am full aware how to make it work I just have to kludge the system
[11:05] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer-: you fucking ricer!
[11:05] <\sh> is your friend and apache runtime documentation
[11:05] <SlicerDicer-> lol
[11:05] <pd_> ok \sh 
[11:06] <SlicerDicer->         libasound.so.2 => not found 'thats not a good sign though
[11:06] <\sh> Redirect / http://www.xxx.com:8080/ima
[11:06] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer-: ... how do you _not_ have alsa installed
[11:06] <SlicerDicer-> what libasound?
[11:07] <DiabloD3> libasound is _the_ api implementation for alsa
[11:07] <SlicerDicer-> well that is why when I first started talking about ubuntu I asked how was the 32bit support with 64bit
[11:07] <SlicerDicer-> some serious shit can hit the fan when it comes to that
[11:07] <spinifex> yo, I just noticed something
[11:08] <spinifex> programs add their .desktop to the /usr/share/applications folder, and then a duplicate of it to the /kde folder in that.  So when I use a different window manager than gnome or kde, it reads both and I get tons of duplicate entries
[11:09] <spinifex> this is dumb.  If I were king, both gnome and kde would use the same lists.  Would I risk anything by moving all the files out of the kde folder into its parent and deleting the folder?
[11:10] <spinifex> because I like having multiple window managers around
[11:10] <spinifex> so I can show off how flashy linux is when I feel like it
[11:10] <SlicerDicer-> but yeah DiabloD3 64bit opens a can of worms with everything
[11:11] <DiabloD3> yeah.
[11:11] <DiabloD3> ergo, I still have a pile of ia32 machines
[11:11] <spinifex> oops, responded to someone from a different channel
[11:11] <DiabloD3> spinifex: that is dumb, btw
[11:11] <DiabloD3> spinifex: but I would leave it alone for the time being
[11:12] <spinifex> should I bring it up anywhere to encourage change?
[11:13] <DiabloD3> not really, the appropriete people get bitched at daily
[11:13] <DiabloD3> and, btw, if I was king, using gnome would be a crime against the state
[11:13] <DiabloD3> punishable by execution
[11:13] <thoreauputic> DiabloD3: I think it's about the KDE folks buying a clue and conforming to freedesktop.org guidelines
[11:14] <DiabloD3> thoreauputic: no, I think its about the freedesktop.org folks buying a crate of clues and quit reimplementing KDE standards poorly.
[11:14] <thoreauputic> ?
[11:15] <DiabloD3> almost everything gnome or freedesktop has done, kde did first and better.
[11:15] <thoreauputic> DiabloD3: ask Amaranth about it - he'll explain
[11:15] <DiabloD3> look at dbus
[11:15] <DiabloD3> poorly implemented clone of dcop
[11:16] <DiabloD3> gnome over the years has gotten much more kde in look
[11:16] <thoreauputic> DiabloD3: OK I'm not interested in a KDE/Gnome flamewar and I'm using Fluxbox anyway
[11:16] <DiabloD3> heh
[11:16] <DiabloD3> what irony
[11:16] <DiabloD3> Im working on a kwin theme to use *box themes
[11:16] <thoreauputic> DiabloD3: I was just passing on what I'd heard
[11:16] <SlicerDicer-> well DiabloD3 apparently there is no 32bit xlibs.....
[11:16] <SlicerDicer-> I guess I got to get on it lol
[11:16] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer-: well, there _is_
[11:16] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer-: its in i386
[11:17] <SlicerDicer-> DiabloD3, I will just snag the emul libs from gentoo and force them in ubuntu
[11:17] <SlicerDicer-> ricer up ubuntu
[11:17] <DiabloD3> not quite
[11:17] <DiabloD3> you build a i386 chrooted environment in ubuntu
[11:17] <DiabloD3> using ubuntu i386 packages
[11:17] <SlicerDicer-> of course it will work the directory structure is the same
[11:18] <DiabloD3> and then run i386 apps in that environmentttt
[11:18] <SlicerDicer-> screw chroot
[11:18] <SlicerDicer-> I havent ever done a day of it with 64bit :)
[11:18] <SlicerDicer-> its uneeded
[11:18] <DiabloD3> no thanks, I'm into women
[11:18] <SlicerDicer-> lol you know what I mean
[11:18] <DiabloD3> uNF women
[11:19] <SlicerDicer-> chroot is for n00blers :)
[11:19] <DiabloD3> chroot is for people that dont reinstall linux every other day
[11:19] <SlicerDicer-> lol
[11:20] <SlicerDicer-> I have only installed gentoo 5 times I have 3 computers 2 of them were cause of me being a idiot learning how to install
[11:20] <SlicerDicer-> ohh forgot I installed to try to fix my sound issue but that forced me to ubuntu
[11:20] <DiabloD3> wow
[11:21] <DiabloD3> I've installed linux... *counts*
[11:21] <DiabloD3> twice
[11:21] <SlicerDicer-> how many computers you got?
[11:21] <DiabloD3> on my workstation anyways
[11:21] <DiabloD3> and once on my laptop
[11:21] <spinifex> only twice?  You didn't even experiment in college?
[11:21] <SlicerDicer-> the first install of gentoo I used the wrong livecd lol that was a problem
[11:21] <DiabloD3> spinifex: the first time _was_ the experiment
[11:21] <DiabloD3> slackware
[11:22] <DiabloD3> which I ditched, and used debian
[11:22] <SlicerDicer-> then I wanted to go reiserfs so thats why I installed the second time
[11:22] <DiabloD3> debian for the next 6 or 7 years, and then I crossgraded to ubuntu
[11:22] <spinifex> crossgraded?
[11:22] <DiabloD3> reiserfs only destroys systems
[11:22] <DiabloD3> dont use it
[11:22] <SlicerDicer-> never
[11:22] <DiabloD3> spinifex: its not an upgrade, or a downgrade, its a crossgrade.
[11:22] <SlicerDicer-> I have used it for years without a problem DiabloD3 
[11:22] <SlicerDicer-> how can you say it destroys them
[11:23] <DiabloD3> for every person that says it works fine, 500 scream in horror as their system melts down.
[11:23] <SlicerDicer-> haha
[11:23] <SlicerDicer-> I havent ever had a problem with it
[11:23] <DiabloD3> Statistics aren't in your favor.
[11:24] <SlicerDicer-> I actually havent used anything but reiserfs in too long to count
[11:24] <DiabloD3> hrm, wow, I just realized
[11:24] <DiabloD3> ext2 is what I started my workstation on
[11:24] <SlicerDicer-> if somebodys system melts down they did something ignorant
[11:24] <DiabloD3> and in the field upgraded it to ext3
[11:24] <DiabloD3> slicer...
[11:24] <DiabloD3> its a file system.
[11:24] <SlicerDicer-> time to inject a gentoo emulation library into ubuntu!
[11:24] <DiabloD3> the fact that you _can_ do something ignorant means its broken
[11:27] <SlicerDicer-> true
[11:29] <DiabloD3> night all
[12:00] <mez> hmm
[12:01] <mez> if I'm using amarok with mysql... is there a script already made to pull stats to a website?
[12:01] <mez> or like... make a nice website directry of your music
[12:01] <Tm_T> eh
[12:02] <Tm_T> mez: try #amarok
[12:02] <mez> amarok allows you to store yoiur music info in a mySQL db
[12:02] <mez> I want to be able to pull te info from that DB to a website
[12:02] <mez> so i can look through my music 
[12:02] <Tm_T> yeah, we'll help you in #amarok ;)
[12:10] <KoseFrank> Has anyone experienced a problem with the ndiswrapper?
[12:12] <KoseFrank> The ndiswrapper seems to work fine, and the wlansearcher finds the ap, but I am unable to set up a network because the kde-setup program crashes once I've started the diswrapper
[12:14] <KoseFrank> I managed to get it up and running yesterday when I first entered the network-setup, and logged inn as administrator, and THEN ran the ndiswrapper-program
[12:16] <KoseFrank> Anyone?
[12:30] <spinifex> how do I get bigger icons in the K Menu?
[12:33] <Riddell> spinifex: it's a top secret entry in kickerrc
[12:33] <Riddell> [menus] 
[12:33] <Riddell> MenuEntryHeight=22
[12:33] <Riddell> and it looks rubbish at the moment because there's a beastie in the scaling of the icons
[12:33] <Riddell> which I've mostly fixed
[12:46] <golanx> hi, i need a hint: do you know any VCG viewer under KDE 3.3 or higher ?
[12:50] <Riddell> golanx: what's VCG?
[12:52] <golanx> Visualization of Compiler Graphs
[12:52] <golanx> Riddell
[12:52] <golanx> I just installed the package "vcg"
[12:53] <golanx> but it doesn't work
[12:53] <golanx> I am not able to launch it... when I write vcg from console, it says "command not found"
[12:53] <golanx> but I'm sure it is regularly installed... boh
[12:53] <Riddell> "A Visualization Tool for compiler graphs"
[12:54] <golanx> yes
[12:54] <Riddell> golanx: it's in the universe repository, apt-get install vcg  will do it, or use kynaptic
[12:54] <golanx> I found it, installed it... but I cannot launch it...
[12:54] <golanx> I don't have idea of what's the problem
[01:12] <e-guru> firasR: hi
[01:13] <firasR> how're u doin' e-guru  ?
[01:13] <firasR> i'm installing FreeBSD right now on my laptop
[01:14] <firasR> i'm tryin' it out on an external usb drive, hope it works
[01:14] <e-guru> firasR: just fine, can your laptop boot from usb?
[01:14] <firasR> yeah, bios supports that
[01:14] <e-guru> firasR: it probably would work, I had no problems with usb drives under freebsd, usb2?
[01:15] <firasR> this way i'll just mess around with it and when i'm ready i'll install to the built-in HD
[01:15] <firasR> e-guru: yup, usb2 40 GB, plenty of space
[01:15] <e-guru> firasR: :) nice
[01:15] <e-guru> firasR: I dont have usb2 in my laptop
[01:16] <firasR> e-guru: i haven't gone through all the docs yet but it's very similiar to Solaris
[01:16] <e-guru> firasR: solaris? :) last time when I installed solaris it took 3 hours to finish
[01:16] <firasR> e-guru: file system layout at least
[01:16] <e-guru> firasR: yeah, I thought solaris stole those from bsd...didnt it?
[01:17] <firasR> e-guru: yeah it was a BSD style Unix
[01:18] <firasR> think they're movin' to a System V standard though
[01:19] <firasR> e-guru: then again, they're probably gonna move to M$ Windows from the way they're doin' things :) hehe
[01:19] <e-guru> firasR: windows has BSD source code too
[01:19] <firasR> e-guru: yeah i read that in the docs, interesting
[01:20] <firasR> e-guru: that must be for the few parts that work right in Windows :)
[01:20] <e-guru> firasR: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q306819/
[01:21] <e-guru> Portions of this product are based in part on the work of the Regents of the University of California, Berkeley and its contributors. Because Microsoft has included the Regents of the University of California, Berkeley, software in this product, Microsoft is required to include the following text that accompanied such software:
[01:24] <e-guru> firasR: copyright of windows is quite long, because the most important parts of the software is from other places :)
[01:24] <firasR> e-guru: not to start a flame war or anythin' (that's why i'm asking u this in this channel not in ##freebsd) ...
[01:24] <firasR> e-guru: don't u think that the BSD license is a little strange though
[01:24] <firasR> ?
[01:25] <e-guru> Portions of this software are based in part on the work of Luigi Rizzo. Because Microsoft has included the Luigi Rizzo software in this product, Microsoft is required to include the following text that accompanied such software:
[01:25] <firasR> hehehe
[01:25] <e-guru> firasR: why is it strange? :)
[01:25] <firasR> e-guru: i mean if i was a developer i'd be a little reluctant to release my software under a BSD license
[01:26] <firasR> e-guru: for the exact reason u just pointed out, people like M$ use it, make a fortune from it, and then have the nerve to wage a war on Open Source sw ?!
[01:27] <e-guru> firasR: but why wouldnt you release your software under BSD license? what is the reason?
[01:32] <e-guru> firasR: ?
[01:32] <e-guru> firasR: http://www.wasabisystems.com/gpl/opensource.htm
[01:35] <e-guru> firasR: ah, I realized that I didnt read your message completely :) sure, microsoft uses BSD code and makes millions, however what is the bad thing in that? I mean the guys obviously worked hard to make additions to that code. It is called competition. If you had a company which produce a product and you use GPLed code in your product, you must give the sources away. (Thus your competitors might use your source to make a better prod
[01:35] <e-guru> you) So you really wouldnt want to use GPLed code in a commercial environment.
[01:38] <thoreauputic> e-guru: redhat, mandrake and novell might disagree with you there
[01:38] <firasR> e-guru: interesting article, it's making more sense now
[01:48] <e-guru> thoreauputic: maybe or not, for example you can get redhat enterprise unix for free named as centos nowadays because of the GPL
[01:49] <thoreauputic> e-guru: I don't see your point: the idea is to supply service with redhat - centos is the same thing but without the backup support
[01:49] <thoreauputic> e-guru: the GPL business model is different, that's all
[01:51] <Choubaka> I can sell you Ubuntu for 100 euros.
[01:51] <Choubaka> Any takers?
[01:52] <shogouki> porn-ubuntu, a live cd with MB of porn for only $100
[01:52] <Choubaka> hoh.
[01:52] <thoreauputic> Choubaka: you'd have more takers if you sold "I'll administer your Ubuntu boxes for $X a month" ;-)
[01:52] <e-guru> thoreauputic: right, but redhat peoplee used hours of work to make graphical install interfaces etc. which should make the installation easier than other linux distributions, which should make them popular, however centos people can copy it for free and use.
[01:52] <Choubaka> sure.
[01:53] <Choubaka> e-guru: yeah.
[01:53] <Choubaka> but they don't get support.
[01:53] <Choubaka> so if something breaks, they can't go and whine.
[01:53] <shogouki> and expertise
[01:53] <thoreauputic> e-guru: that's how free software works - you share and improve it
[01:53] <e-guru> thoreauputic: would you want to be redhat? you work and expect to make money from it but others steal your code... you can buy support from another place, if I was a company I would want to buy support from a place which is physically near to me. Not ever the internet support.
[01:53] <Choubaka> and in reality _THAT'S_ what matters in the corporate world.
[01:54] <Choubaka> corporations won't just buy software.
[01:54] <Choubaka> They want support, too.
[01:54] <thoreauputic> e-guru: it isn;t stealing - it's how open source works
[01:54] <e-guru> thoreauputic: yeah, but here is the dilemma, redhat enterprise linux is not free
[01:54] <Choubaka> I believe it is. Support for it isn't.
[01:54] <thoreauputic> e-guru: it's Free as in Freedom: what you pay for is the service
[01:54] <e-guru> Choubaka: they can always make a support contract with another company which has lesser prices than redhat itself
[01:55] <Choubaka> e-guru: of course.
[01:55] <Choubaka> e-guru: but it depends on what they require.
[01:55] <thoreauputic> e-guru: yes, that's part of freedom as well
[01:55] <Choubaka> they may prefer redhat because they made the distro; thus, they ought to have the most expertise.
[01:56] <Choubaka> It's wrong to take heaps of money just for software
[01:56] <Choubaka> IMHO
[01:56] <Choubaka> look at windows: a licence costs ~200 euros, and what can you do with the bare OS?
[01:57] <thoreauputic> e-guru: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html  << read this- you clearly don't get it
[01:57] <Choubaka> also, MS can say "you can't use our software anymore. kthxbye"
[01:57] <Choubaka> then what will you do? :D
[01:58] <e-guru> Choubaka: then microsoft couldnt make money anymore... it is a calculated risk
[01:58] <Choubaka> But there is the risk.
[01:58] <Choubaka> of getting your licence voided, I mean.
[01:58] <e-guru> Choubaka: there is risk if you use GPLed software. Your competitors might use the software also...
[01:59] <Choubaka> So?
[01:59] <Choubaka> It's not the software. It's the support.
[01:59] <e-guru> Choubaka: and you cant spend so many working hours by payed programmers to improve the software, because the money you pay to programmers go for nothing when your competitor can just copy your advancements that you made to the code
[01:59] <e-guru> Choubaka: do you work?
[02:00] <Choubaka> "We have software A here, and we know how to use it. You'll get the software for free, but you'll pay money to us to make it work for you, ok?"
[02:00] <thoreauputic> e-guru: you just don't seem to understand that GPL ed software is *supposed* to be shared
[02:00] <e-guru> thoreauputic: right, I didnt say anything about GPL is wrong. I only said that it is not good if you are in a commercial environment, if you want to make money
[02:00] <Choubaka> that's mere FUD
[02:00] <Choubaka> :)
[02:00] <thoreauputic> e-guru: the business model is different and newer: you make money by selling support or coding expertise
[02:01] <Choubaka> keyword here is "different"
[02:01] <thoreauputic> e-guru: sounds like you drink the wrong Kool-Aid, frankly
[02:01] <Choubaka> conservatists will try to fit it together with the old model, which will not work.
[02:02] <thoreauputic> e-guru: the old model is broken, and eventually will lose because people want to share knowledge
[02:02] <Choubaka> the old model is "we made a product. it's ours, and each item must cost something"
[02:02] <Choubaka> it works for immaterial items.
[02:02] <e-guru> thoreauputic: ok I rephrase, GPL license is bad for you if you are a company which solely develop software.
[02:02] <thoreauputic> e-guru: a reading of the history of science helps here
[02:02] <Choubaka> errio4h
[02:02] <Choubaka> material :D
[02:02] <Choubaka> material items.
[02:03] <Choubaka> e-guru: Why?
[02:03] <e-guru> Choubaka: do you work? :)
[02:03] <Choubaka> You can be a company that develops GPL software and gets paid for it.
[02:03] <Choubaka> by support companies. :)
[02:03] <Choubaka> e-guru: not at the moment.
[02:03] <e-guru> Choubaka: as thoreauputic mentioned, you dont get payed for GPL software, you get payed for the support you sell when you make GPL software...
[02:03] <thoreauputic> e-guru: plenty of people make money developing GPL software
[02:04] <thoreauputic> e-guru: that isn't what I said
[02:04] <Choubaka> e-guru: hm.
[02:04] <Choubaka> I still can sell you ubuntu for 100 euros.
[02:04] <thoreauputic> e-guru: you can be paid for developing GPL software
[02:04] <Choubaka> or 100 000
[02:04] <e-guru> thoreauputic: you just said 'you make money by selling support or coding expertise'
[02:04] <Choubaka> yes, coding expertise being "developing GPL software"
[02:04] <e-guru> Choubaka: right, you can sell, but nobody would buy it from you because its GPLed
[02:04] <thoreauputic> right: coding expertise is involved when you write software
[02:05] <thoreauputic> e-guru: rubbish
[02:05] <thoreauputic> e-guru: lots of companies hire people to develop code which is GPL
[02:05] <e-guru> ok, anyhow I should close my x because I unplugged my mouse and it doesnt get detected anymore somehow
[02:05] <e-guru> I will be back :)\
[02:15] <konrad> Hi, is it possible to set up national diactrs using UTF in 'mc" (and other)?
[02:17] <_nemo> hi @all
[02:18] <_nemo> have a little problem
[02:18] <_nemo> i can t save save the konsole schema settings ...
[02:19] <_nemo> ... does somebody know how?
[02:35] <Riddell> _nemo: settings->save as default works for me
[02:39] <_nemo> Riddell: hmmm
[02:39] <Tm_T> yup
[02:39] <Tm_T> hi Riddell 
[02:40] <Tm_T> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/ <- Finland diary in the right
[02:40] <_nemo> Cannot save the schema.
[02:40] <_nemo> Maybe permission denied.
[02:41] <_nemo> this is the message that my konsol ...
[02:42] <_nemo> when i creat a new schema
[02:42] <_nemo> +e
[04:30] <othernoob> where can i configure my soundcard ? i accidentally closed the sound config in the kdepanel :/
[04:31] <KaiL> kmenu -> multimedia -> kmix
[04:31] <othernoob> KaiL thanks.
[04:43] <e-guru> qwe
[05:07] <{-{amsteR> Anyone here?
[05:08] <{-{amsteR> Got a problem with my Kubuntu-installation
[05:09] <KaiL> like?
[05:09] <{-{amsteR> Ahh... Get this.
[05:09] <{-{amsteR> I've used the ndiswrapper to install my wlan-card
[05:10] <{-{amsteR> And that went just fine, but the kde-setup program crashes after I've run ndiswrapper
[05:10] <KaiL> kde setup?!
[05:10] <{-{amsteR> Cant remember the name of the program...
[05:10] <{-{amsteR> The... Ahh... Let me think. 
[05:11] <{-{amsteR> By brain just went blank...
[05:11] <{-{amsteR> Desktop-setup-thingie
[05:11] <{-{amsteR> Where I can access all the settings in the kde-system
[05:11] <Tm_T> kcontrol
[05:11] <{-{amsteR> Ahhh
[05:12] <{-{amsteR> Rigt you are
[05:12] <{-{amsteR> Yes... The kcontrol crashes after I've started the ndiswrapper. I cannot get into administrator mode.
[05:13] <{-{amsteR> I actually cannot access any of the administrator-functions when ndiswrapper is up and running. 
[05:14] <Tm_T> why should you?
[05:15] <{-{amsteR> To set up the network, of course..
[05:15] <Tm_T> hmm
[05:16] <Tm_T> you have to run both at the same time?
[05:16] <{-{amsteR> I cannot access the internett whithout setting up the dhcp-settings on the wlancard
[05:16] <{-{amsteR> Yup
[05:16] <Tm_T> ah
[05:16] <{-{amsteR> But I don't want to do that every time i reboot the computer
[05:16] <e-guru> {-{amsteR: make a little script which sets ssid, wepkey etc. then put a 4 second delay and run dhclient
[05:17] <e-guru> and make this script run at boot time, then you can also put it to your desktop as a  shortcut etc.
[05:18] <{-{amsteR> That SOUNDED easy enough.. Sorry, mac. Don't really know how to make that. I guess it's easy as nothing, but I've never tried this before.
[05:18] <{-{amsteR> Its a dhcp-server on the ap. And there is no passwords ect
[05:22] <e-guru> {-{amsteR: ?
[05:22] <{-{amsteR> A script. Is that hard to make, or is it just a textfile with a couple of quick commands?
[05:22] <e-guru> {-{amsteR: no, just 2 -3 lines under each other
[05:22] <e-guru> {-{amsteR: text file with quick commands
[05:22] <{-{amsteR> What shall theese lines say?
[05:23] <{-{amsteR> Hehe
[05:23] <e-guru> {-{amsteR: command to set ssid etc. then put a line sleep 4 it will wait 4 seconds, it should be enough to find the AP and connect, then you run dhclient 
[05:24] <e-guru> {-{amsteR: I dont know how to set ssid etc. in ubuntu... :( I am connected with wireless but I use freebsd now... but the next 2 lines should be,   sleep 4 and dhclient [yourwirelessethalias] 
[05:25] <e-guru> {-{amsteR: I think you set the wireless settings with iwconfig, but didnt you set them at install time anyhow?
[05:26] <Church_of_FoamY> hey are there any apps for kbuntu like bearshare or kazza lite k++?
[05:26] <Church_of_FoamY> you know for p2p filesharing?
[05:27] <{-{amsteR> I cam find my AP on iwconfig
[05:27] <{-{amsteR> But to set the settings I have to enter admin-mode, and everything locks up. 
[05:27] <{-{amsteR> What system is Kubuntu based on?
[05:27] <{-{amsteR> Is it a Debian-based system?
[05:27] <othernoob> yes
[05:27] <mrmanic> I think xorg might have a memory leak
[05:28] <othernoob> debian-derivative
[05:28] <{-{amsteR> So if I find drivers for my wlan-card I can install the debian drivers?
[05:28] <othernoob> i'd think so
[05:29] <Church_of_FoamY> anyone know?/
[05:29] <othernoob> Church_of_FoamY: azureus, mldonkey...
[05:30] <Church_of_FoamY> cool thanx
[05:30] <othernoob> yw
[05:32] <{-{amsteR> Cool 
[05:32] <{-{amsteR> Cause I found some drivers yesterday
[05:33] <{-{amsteR> The stupid thing is that I have to reboot and enter Windows everytime i test something new...
[05:34] <abisen> i want to try ubuntu but i am a KDE person and am not clear how kubuntu and ubuntu works... i mean should i install ubuntu and then install kbuntu or KDE on top of it 
[05:35] <othernoob> abisen: kubuntu installs kde.. ubuntu install gnome. 
[05:35] <abisen> othernoob, is kubuntu also have the same stability as ubuntu
[05:36] <othernoob> abisen: it's exactly the same
[05:36] <abisen> othernoob, so is installing kubuntu same as installing ubuntu and then installing kde packages
[05:36] <othernoob> abisen: yes
[05:36] <Tm_T> othernoob: well, actually I've heard there's some issuas with kubuntu install media =)
[05:37] <Tm_T> abisen: just install ubuntu and then kubuntu-desktop ;)
[05:37] <abisen> Tm_T, that;s what i think i might do
[05:37] <othernoob> Tm_T: i've also heard that kubuntu apparently is too whack to even install itself..
[05:38] <{-{amsteR> I had some problems when I installed KDE on ubuntu
[05:38] <{-{amsteR> But it seems to be problems no matter what I do, so.. =)
[05:38] <Tm_T> othernoob: =)
[05:38] <othernoob> Tm_T: but officially,the only difference is the kde/gnome usage
[05:38] <Tm_T> yeah
[05:39] <Tm_T> I installed kubuntu before it's release so I haven't got any install media issues
[05:40] <{-{amsteR> One day I will make it work... I swear!
[05:40] <othernoob> has anyone tried to get the jdk1.5 from backports today ?
[05:41] <Tm_T> nope
[05:44] <othernoob> seems to hang at 34% :/
[06:00] <jeramy> Anyone know how to make GTK+ apps not look like crap in KDE?
[06:01] <jeramy> I know that I can add a DPI setting in my .xinitrc (maybe?), or I can run the GNOME control center and go into fonts... but is there a better way?
[06:10] <Tm_T> jeramy: yes, "apt-cache search gtk | grep qt"
[06:11] <jeramy> I had already installed gtk2-engines-gtk-qt, to no avail.  I guess I need the pixmap one too?
[06:13] <jeramy> It's not so much the pixmaps and engines, as the fonts.
[06:13] <jeramy> GNOME's default if 96 DPI and KDE's is 75, IIRC.
[06:17] <Firetech> othernoob: which backports mirror are you using?
[06:19] <Firetech> you should NOT use backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports. It's not recommended to use the ubuntuforums one at all...
[06:19] <othernoob> i'll have to look..
[06:21] <othernoob> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[06:21] <othernoob> which one should i use instead Firetech ?
[06:21] <Firetech> 2 sec
[06:22] <N17R0> Hi im trying to add firefox & thunderbird to my KDE menu, but when i click the icon, nothing happens? How can i make this work ?
[06:22] <Firetech> othernoob: http://ftp2.caliu.info/backports/
[06:24] <othernoob> Firetech: thanks :)
[06:25] <Firetech> othernoob: the ones on ubuntuforums.org are ment to be used by mirrors, and the one ending in /backports is a repository that will break often... /ubp is the new more stable one there (This is NOT the case for mirrors...)
[06:25] <Firetech> there are more mirrors available at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php
[06:30] <othernoob> Firetech: i copied it from http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html, that's why i had it
[06:30] <Firetech> ah, ok.
[06:31] <othernoob> btw, the kudos site has a typo in its "how to install a .deb" guide
[06:31] <Prophet^> Can someone help me with the xorg.conf file. I got a Dell E172FP monitor and the res is only 640x480 in KDE!
[06:31] <snowseal> hey
[06:32] <snowseal> finally got ubuntu working with my wifi card. but i like kde better
[06:32] <snowseal> so whats the package i need to apt-get?
[06:32] <Riddell> snowseal: kubuntu-desktop
[06:34] <snowseal> it cant find package kubuntu-desktop
[06:34] <snowseal> :s
[06:34] <Riddell> snowseal: do you have apt repositories for the internet and not just CD?
[06:35] <snowseal> i have a ubuntu 5.04 installed.
[06:36] <snowseal> so i need some 'repositories'
[06:36] <othernoob> what's the difference between linux-image-**** and linux-**** ?
[06:37] <N17R0> snowseal ouwe coke junkie :P
[06:37] <snowseal> heh
[06:37] <snowseal> das alleen in nederland beked. shh
[06:37] <N17R0> lol
[06:40] <snowseal> should i enable all hoary ftp 
[06:42] <N17R0> alleen die universal
[06:42] <snowseal> ok, thanx
[06:42] <N17R0> krijg je hoopjes niewe software keuze erbij
[06:45] <snowseal> omg, this is working really smooth. is it actually downloading and instlling kde with all its dependency's .. amazing
[06:45] <N17R0> KDE rules
[06:46] <N17R0> but i have little problem
[06:47] <Jeezis> i love kde as well
[06:47] <Jeezis> none of that windows dualbooting nonsense :-p
[06:48] <N17R0> I just installed Firefox + Thunderbird to /usr/local/mozilla, now im trying to add it to the KDE start menu with "menu editor" but when i click on the firefox icon nothing happens. I can only run firefox in console with the ./firefox command. How can i make it work by clicking the icon in KDE start menu?
[06:49] <N17R0> I asked already in #kde, but they can't help me :'(
[06:49] <bhna> N17R0: /usr/local/mozill is not in your path
[06:50] <N17R0> how can i add it to my path ?
[06:51] <N17R0> sorry for n00b questions, but this is my 3 day on linux ever :D And im starting to like it :P
[06:51] <bhna> N17R0: edit /etc/profile
[06:52] <N17R0> alright let me check that
[06:52] <bhna> N17R0: you can install firefox via apt-get.
[06:52] <N17R0> the newest one ?
[06:53] <N17R0> and with dutch language ?
[06:53] <bhna> N17R0: wait a sec
[06:53] <N17R0> But im learning something now about linux when i install it manually
[06:55] <bhna> N17R0:  add "deb ftp://ftp2.caliu.info/backports hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to your source.list in etc/apt/
[06:57] <N17R0> ok ill do that next if /etc/profile aint working, or is tis a bad idea ?
[06:57] <bhna> N17R0: or "deb ftp://ftp2.caliu.info/backports hoary-backports-staging main universe multiverse restricted" for firefox 1.0.4, but staging coould be unstable
[07:03] <N17R0> hmm edit /etc/profile aint working
[07:06] <N17R0> or does it need reboot after edit that profile file ?
[07:19] <RetroMan> Does anyone know anything about 3dwm?
[07:41] <bhna> RetroMan: www.3dwm.org?
[07:44] <{-{amsteR> I almoust give up
[07:45] <uniq> what's the problem? 
[07:45] <bhna> {-{amsteR: what?
[07:45] <{-{amsteR> Hmm... The Control Center has gone down. I can no longer make changes to the systems settings...
[07:46] <{-{amsteR> This happened after I installed the ndiswrapper
[07:46] <uniq> ndiswrapper is evil.
[07:46] <uniq> how did you install it? 
[07:46] <{-{amsteR> It seems to be
[07:46] <uniq> any howto you followed? 
[07:46] <{-{amsteR> I followed some steps... Just a sec
[07:47] <{-{amsteR> First i used the package manager to install the ndiswrapper-tools
[07:48] <uniq> yes.
[07:48] <{-{amsteR> Then I copied the driverfiles to my /home/username directory
[07:48] <{-{amsteR> sudo ndiswrapper - I driverfile.inf
[07:49] <{-{amsteR> Then I checked the driver, and it said it was working fine
[07:50] <{-{amsteR> Then I used the -m command
[07:50] <{-{amsteR> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[07:50] <{-{amsteR> sudo aptitude install wireless-tools
[07:51] <{-{amsteR> Then it appeared in the iwconfig program, and it found my AP
[07:52] <{-{amsteR> I also added the ndiswrapper to /etc/modules 
[07:52] <{-{amsteR> And after that I have been unable to enter andministrator mode.
[07:54] <{-{amsteR> And the system has been unstable ever since
[07:55] <{-{amsteR> And then everyone fell asleep?
[07:55] <uniq> no.
[07:55] <gdh> everyone had lives to attend to.
[07:55] <uniq> just slightly delayed.. sorry.
[07:55] <gdh> well, mostly :)
[07:57] <uniq> hamster: what if you remove the module? rmmod 'ndiswrapper' - does admin mode work? 
[07:57] <uniq> make that 'sudo rmmod ndiswrapper'
[08:00] <{-{amsteR> Hmm
[08:00] <{-{amsteR> I removed it using
[08:01] <{-{amsteR> the package manager
[08:01] <{-{amsteR> Still the same problem. When i shutdown the computer it sais that it cannot shutdown the network settings...
[08:05] <uniq> what you removed using the packagemanager was the programs.. tools etc. not the module.. 
[08:05] <uniq> the module is loaded into memory.. 
[08:05] <uniq> in the kernel.
[08:05] <uniq> if you remove ndiswrapper from /etc/modules and restart.. it should be fine.. i guess.. 
[08:09] <{-{amsteR> Ahh
[08:09] <{-{amsteR> I did that, yes
[08:10] <{-{amsteR> The thing is that I have no other way to access the internet. No phone-line, no nothing. Only this stupid Wlan
[08:10] <{-{amsteR> (Witch has been working fine on Windows for 2 years)
[08:11] <buz> thank god i don't live in the us: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/25/pgp_admissable_child_abuse_case/
[08:12] <buz> so basically, if you use pgp (which is just plain smart in many cases), you're one step closer to be a criminal now
[08:14] <{-{amsteR> Heh... When I read what buz said, I thought he was "into" child abuse
[08:14] <buz> i don't like children. not in that way nor in any other...
[08:15] <{-{amsteR> Hehe.. Nice
[08:16] <{-{amsteR> I just read "Thank god I don't live in the us" and then a link to a man getting caught for child abuse...
[08:16] <{-{amsteR> You get the point
[08:16] <ojw> the point being child abuse = free rein to impose what laws you like, safe from anyone daring to argue against you?
[08:19] <tk> hi all
[08:19] <{-{amsteR> Uniq : Do you know of any drivers for my M2500 series Wireless LAN Card?
[08:19] <tk> I need some help.. I am new here with Kubuntu
[08:20] <uniq> {-{amster: no, sorry, I don't.
[08:20] <{-{amsteR> Hmmm
[08:20] <{-{amsteR> If I'd only find one that works
[08:20] <{-{amsteR> I really like the look of this Os
[08:25] <uniq> {-{amster: looks like ndiswrapper is the only option for your card.
[08:26] <uniq> {-{amster: can you connect to the internet when admin mode doesn't work? 
[08:26] <uniq> over the wlan? 
[08:28] <{-{amsteR> Nope.. I cant
[08:28] <{-{amsteR> If I could, I woldnt mind
[08:28] <{-{amsteR> I got it up and running yesterday
[08:29] <uniq> ok.
[08:29] <uniq> but your AP is detected? 
[08:30] <{-{amsteR> But then I did some pretty complicated stuff.. I logged into the adminmode at the network settings, and THEN I ran ndiswrapper. I was able to enable the wireless network before the Kde crash-manager appeared.. Then I was on the internet for 2 hours. 
[08:30] <uniq> ok.. can you do that again? :)
[08:30] <{-{amsteR> Hehe... Yes I can. Everytime I reboot. Nice
[08:30] <{-{amsteR> But now it's not running at all..
[08:31] <uniq> ok.
[08:32] <{-{amsteR> Mandrake automatically detected my wlancard without any drivers at all
[08:33] <{-{amsteR> But Mandrake was only capable of booting once.
[08:34] <{-{amsteR> The next time I turned my computer on, I got a message saying something about a kernel panic, and then it was stuck.
[08:36] <{-{amsteR> http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page <<--- This seems to cover it? I don't know
[08:49] <uniq> {-{amster: you could try the rt2500 driver.. only one way to find out if it really works.
[08:50] <{-{amsteR> Yup
[08:51] <{-{amsteR> But it seems like I have to reinstall it..
[08:51] <{-{amsteR> I'll see
[08:51] <{-{amsteR> thanks for all the helpo
[08:51] <{-{amsteR> -o
[08:52] <eliteforce1> hi
[08:53] <eliteforce1> i installed kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu
[08:53] <eliteforce1> and set kdm as default
[08:53] <eliteforce1> but it still loads gnome
[08:56] <jjesse> choose kde on the login screen
[08:57] <kman___> 
[08:57] <kman___> 
[09:02] <AMIGrAve> got a strange thing on my laptop running hoary, when I push Ctrl+Esc in order to bring up ProcessTable, I've got an dialog box error : "Connection to localhost has been lost" and the list of process is empty. I guess a deamon is not running for that but I don't know which one neither how it couls happen
[09:07] <Riddell> AMIGrAve: that'll be ksysguardd
[09:08] <sgmihai> ok kubuntu is installing right now and its downloading some packages from the net, why ? and is it safe to cancel it ?
[09:10] <Riddell> sgmihai: because there are updates, security and fixes
[09:10] <sgmihai> oh nevermind it was just 3mbytes
[09:10] <sgmihai> some open office thesaurus thing
[09:10] <sgmihai> oh, kde just started, yeey ! :)
[09:13] <SlicerDicer-> Riddell, are you familiar with running cedega in 64bit? just wondering
[09:14] <Tm_T> Riddell: hmm, what's with pykde? ;)
[09:16] <sgmihai> where can i select the httpproxy for aptget ?
[09:16] <Tm_T> /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[09:17] <sgmihai> uumm wtf ??
[09:17] <sgmihai> what's the root password /
[09:17] <ojw_> try using sudo, sgmihai 
[09:18] <sgmihai> but why can't i login as root ?
[09:18] <ojw_> don't think there's a root user
[09:18] <sgmihai> whattt?
[09:18] <sgmihai> how the fuck did they design this
[09:19] <ojw_> is there something you can't do, sgmihai?
[09:19] <Blissex> sgmihai: you can change the 'root' password with 'sudo passwd root'
[09:20] <Riddell> SlicerDicer-: never heard of it
[09:20] <Riddell> Tm_T: it doesn't work :(
[09:20] <sgmihai> there's no http proxy option in sources.list
[09:20] <sgmihai> how can i set one that apt get will use ?
[09:21] <SlicerDicer-> Riddell, alright
[09:21] <Tm_T> Riddell: hmm, sad :/
[09:22] <Tm_T> sgmihai: hmm, does man help?
[09:23] <felipebisbal> hello... i'm new in kubuntu and I need help 
[09:23] <felipebisbal> someone can do it?
[09:24] <Riddell> Tm_T: we'll fix it, it's important
[09:25] <sgmihai> no man does not help
[09:25] <Riddell> felipebisbal: ask away
[09:26] <felipebisbal> please, someone who can and want to help me, send a private message please
[09:28] <Tm_T> ehm
[09:28] <felipebisbal> nobody wants to help me?
[09:29] <\sh> what is you problem?
[09:29] <felipebisbal> ive some problems
[09:30] <bobi> me to
[09:30] <felipebisbal> first i cannot access to a partition of the hd
[09:30] <felipebisbal> i cannot acces to msn kopete
[09:32] <felipebisbal> i cant see that here people are not really helpfull
[09:32] <bobi> I can not uninstall package 
[09:32] <bobi> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:33] <\sh> msn changed their login protocol...kopete is patched, i don't know if there will be a patch for kopete in hoary...
[09:33] <\sh> bobi: sudo apt-get remove <package>?
[09:34] <\sh> felipebisbal: and your first problem? you can't sudo mount /dev/<your hd partition> /media/<mountpoint> or u can't do it via kde?
[09:38] <BobiTrobi>  /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:38] <BobiTrobi> \sh it returned me with  error code (1)
[09:38] <BobiTrobi> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:38] <BobiTrobi>  postfix
[09:38] <BobiTrobi> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:38] <BobiTrobi> dpkg: error processing postfix (--remove):
[09:38] <BobiTrobi>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[09:38] <BobiTrobi> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:38] <BobiTrobi>  postfix
[09:38] <BobiTrobi> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:38] <\sh> BobiTrobi: what did u try? give the commandline
[09:38] <BobiTrobi> sudo apt-get remove postfix*
[09:38] <BobiTrobi> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[09:38] <BobiTrobi>   postfix
[09:39] <\sh> hmmm.
[09:40] <BobiTrobi> bob@brenx:~$ sudo apt-get remove postfix
[09:40] <BobiTrobi> Reading package lists... Done
[09:40] <BobiTrobi> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:40] <BobiTrobi> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[09:40] <BobiTrobi>   postfix
[09:40] <BobiTrobi> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[09:40] <BobiTrobi> Need to get 0B of archives.
[09:40] <BobiTrobi> After unpacking 1937kB disk space will be freed.
[09:40] <BobiTrobi> Do you want to continue [Y/n] ?
[09:40] <BobiTrobi> (Reading database ... 22914 files and directories currently installed.)
[09:40] <BobiTrobi> Removing postfix ...
[09:40] <BobiTrobi>  * Stopping Postfix Mail Transport Agent...
[09:40] <BobiTrobi>  *stfix/postfix-script: fatal: the Postfix mail system is not running    [fail] 
[09:40] <BobiTrobi> dpkg: error processing postfix (--remove):
[09:40] <BobiTrobi>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[09:40] <BobiTrobi> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:40] <BobiTrobi>  postfix
[09:40] <BobiTrobi> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:40] <BobiTrobi> this are all lines
[09:41] <felipebisbal> i cannot acces to /mnt, place where i have hda1 partition
[09:41] <felipebisbal> how can i have permission?
[09:42] <\sh> bobi: give me the version number of postfix. sudo apt-get -sV remove postfix
[09:43] <\sh> felipebisbal: u can't read /mnt? normally u have /mnt/<mntpoint> for your mounted partition...if you can't read it, try a sudo ls /mnt
[09:43] <\sh> felipebisbal: i think u mounted the partionied in a wrong way..
[09:43] <BobiTrobi> postfix (2.1.5-9ubuntu3)
[09:44] <\sh> bobi: try the following: /etc/init.d/postfix start 
[09:44] <BobiTrobi> i did 
[09:44] <BobiTrobi> doesn' help
[09:44] <BobiTrobi> it start's normaly
[09:44] <\sh> sudo dpkg -r postfix
[09:44] <felipebisbal> \sh , the problem is that as common user i cannot access
[09:45] <BobiTrobi> subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[09:45] <BobiTrobi> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:45] <BobiTrobi>  postfix
[09:45] <BobiTrobi> stfix/postfix-script: fatal: the Postfix mail system is not running    [fail] 
[09:45] <sgmihai> whats is the option in fstab to allow all users access, read, write(if possible), and execute ?
 how can i get permission to enter?
[09:45] <\sh> felipebisbal: first, umount your partition
[09:46] <BobiTrobi> sudo dpkg -r postfix
[09:46] <BobiTrobi> (Reading database ... 22914 files and directories currently installed.)
[09:46] <BobiTrobi> Removing postfix ...
[09:46] <BobiTrobi>  * Stopping Postfix Mail Transport Agent...
[09:46] <BobiTrobi>  *stfix/postfix-script: fatal: the Postfix mail system is not running    [fail] 
[09:46] <BobiTrobi> dpkg: error processing postfix (--remove):
[09:46] <BobiTrobi>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[09:46] <BobiTrobi> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:46] <BobiTrobi>  postfix
[09:46] <\sh> BobiTrobi: please check on http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ if there is a similar bug like yours, if not, please file a bug
 i've umount partition
[09:47] <felipebisbal> now?
[09:47] <\sh> felipebisbal: the next thing is sudo vi /etc/fstab
[09:47] <\sh> type as last line in this file the following:
[09:47] <felipebisbal> whats that?
[09:47] <sgmihai> whats is the option in fstab to allow all users access, read, write(if possible), and execute on a partition ?
[09:47] <AMIGrAve> Riddell: when I start ksysguardd it segfault, i'll have a look to it's strace this evening
[09:49] <sgmihai> it was umask=something ..
[09:49] <\sh>  /dev/<your part><tab key>/mnt/<your mountpoint under /mnt><tab key><fs type, e.g. ext2/reiserfs etc><tab key>defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000<tab key>0<tab key>0
[09:49] <Riddell> AMIGrAve: hoary?
[09:50] <\sh> felipebisbal: save the file
[09:50] <\sh> and then sudo mount /mnt/<your mountpoint under /mnt>
 wich file? how can i do it?
[09:52] <\sh> felipebisbal: do u want to mount your windows partition? 
[09:52] <\sh> felipebisbal: i think the best is u read first this page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[09:52] <\sh> you can adjust those examples to your needs
[09:53] <jazwec> hi..please could anybody help me..how can i install programs on my ubuntu..
[09:53] <\sh> Riddell: is there a plan to update kopete for hoary? (msn bug)
[09:53] <SlicerDicer-> DiabloD3, are you bak yet?
[09:53] <Riddell> \sh: fix is in ubuntu's hoary-updates
[09:53] <\sh> Riddell: ah :) 
[09:55] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer-: should I be?
[09:55] <\sh> felipebisbal: add to your /etc/apt/sources.list the hoary-update repos 
[09:55] <SlicerDicer-> DiabloD3, YES!! remember I am the almighty ricer :P
[09:55] <felipebisbal> how can i acces as a root?
[09:55] <SlicerDicer-> DiabloD3, I ricered my way to your computer lol
[09:55] <jazwec> felipebisbal i have same problem
[09:56] <\sh> felipebisbal: easiest solution: use synaptic 
[09:56] <\sh> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Repositories
[09:57] <SlicerDicer-> DiabloD3, just wanted to tell ya everything is working fine and thanks for all your help and patience
[09:57] <felipebisbal> i want to use a konsole as a root... what i have to do
[09:58] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer-: sudo bash
[09:58] <DiabloD3> tada, instant root.
[09:58] <SlicerDicer-> haha
[09:58] <SlicerDicer-> what does have to do with me saying thanks
[09:59] <DiabloD3> er, whoops, felipebisbal asked
[09:59] <DiabloD3> felipebisbal: sudo bash
[09:59] <SlicerDicer-> lol
[09:59] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer-: you're welcome, I think =P
[10:01] <jazwec> diablod3 please..i have same problem asi felipebisbal...i dont know how to manage mz console as root...and i dont know what is sudo bash
[10:01] <jazwec> oooh i have it
[10:01] <jazwec> sorry
[10:01] <DiabloD3> jazwec: sudo bash is a command
[10:01] <jazwec> oh i just tried it
[10:02] <jazwec> and..please..how can i install som applications
[10:02] <SlicerDicer-> DiabloD3, this is what it should look like or similar :) http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/kde.jpg I am not totally done yet but its getting there
[10:03] <felipebisbal> can i start a session as a root?? or just as a common user?
[10:03] <Tm_T> felipebisbal: KDE session?
[10:04] <SlicerDicer-> felipebisbal, why in sam hell would you want to start one as root
[10:04] <DiabloD3> felipebisbal: you dont want to start a session as root
[10:04] <Tm_T> yeah =)
[10:04] <DiabloD3> felipebisbal: and with default settings, ubuntu prevents you from doing something that stupid
[10:04] <SlicerDicer-> haha
[10:04] <jazwec> please how can install programs on kubuntu
[10:04] <DiabloD3> jazwec: use synaptic
[10:04] <felipebisbal> but i cannot acces to the fuc... partition of Windows :(
[10:05] <DiabloD3> or kynaptic
[10:05] <jazwec> just: synaptic /home/jazwec/name of program
[10:05] <DiabloD3> jazwec: huh?
[10:05] <jazwec> ?
[10:06] <DiabloD3> no, synaptic, then select the program you want to install
[10:06] <jazwec> oh
[10:06] <jazwec> ok
[10:06] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer-: btw, I guess that looks okay
[10:06] <SlicerDicer-> ahh its getting there
[10:06] <SlicerDicer-> its not completed
[10:06] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer-: but I'd make it a tiny bar =P
[10:06] <SlicerDicer-> I dont like tiny bar
[10:06] <DiabloD3> I do
[10:06] <DiabloD3> then again I use 1280x960
[10:06] <DiabloD3> dont have the rokm otherwise
[10:06] <DiabloD3> er, room
[10:07] <SlicerDicer-> it looks tiny on mine lol
[10:07] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer-: what size screen?
[10:07] <SlicerDicer-> 20" at 1680x1050
[10:07] <jazwec> diablod3 synaptic - command not found
[10:07] <DiabloD3> jazwec: try kynaptic
[10:07] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer-: I'm doing 17" at 1280x960... so its roughly going to be the same size
[10:08] <jazwec> diablod3 upgrade all packages?
[10:08] <DiabloD3> jazwec: you can if you want to, and thats probably a good idea...
[10:08] <SlicerDicer-> http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/myrigs.jpg check that DiabloD3 :)
[10:08] <felipebisbal> somebody can tell me how to get access to the windows partition please?
[10:09] <jazwec> i think, u cant do it
[10:09] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer-: bleh, two keyboards
[10:09] <DiabloD3> no, you can do it
[10:09] <DiabloD3> just mount it
[10:09] <SlicerDicer-> It works :)
[10:09] <felipebisbal> i've never used linux before
[10:09] <SlicerDicer-> thats how I was able to talk to you yesterday while this one was borked and I dont like belkin
[10:09] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer-: I just use x11vnc and x2vnc
[10:09] <felipebisbal> i'm not use to computer,
[10:10] <DiabloD3> felipebisbal: read the ubuntu guide
[10:10] <SlicerDicer-> I am actually going to get 2 wireless ones they are really nice
[10:10] <DiabloD3> jazwec: apt-get install synaptic
[10:10] <DiabloD3> jazwec: and use syaptic instead
[10:10] <SlicerDicer-> synaptic rocks!
[10:10] <transgress> or try kpackage
[10:10] <transgress> i prefer it to both
[10:11] <jazwec> but how can i installl something i have downloaded from net
[10:11] <DiabloD3> jazwec: you shouldnt have downloaded it from the net
[10:11] <transgress> someone perhaps needs to read man apt-get
[10:11] <DiabloD3> jazwec: but read the instructions that came with the app
[10:11] <transgress> oh you mean from a website?
[10:12] <SlicerDicer-> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16823126138 I am getting a pair of those DiabloD3 will look much better :)
[10:12] <DiabloD3> jesus, does everyone use newegg now?
[10:12] <transgress> jazwec: you might also want to look into checkinstall for progs from the net
[10:12] <felipebisbal> really helpfull
[10:12] <SlicerDicer-> DiabloD3, I dont use them persay I just use them to show what I am getting
[10:12] <SlicerDicer-> I get great deals locally at my local store :)
[10:12] <jazwec> yeah..i had downloaded teamspeak from their website
[10:12] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer-: Ive been using them for years
[10:12] <jazwec> and i have saved it to disk
[10:12] <felipebisbal> this is too much difficult for me...
[10:12] <DiabloD3> heh, I get better deals from newegg
[10:13] <felipebisbal> better windows... easyer
[10:13] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer-: you may wanna see if you can get the happy hacker
[10:13] <SlicerDicer-> DiabloD3, if newegg could compete with my local store in time to get product then I would use them
[10:13] <jazwec> felipebisbal but its fun to learn something new
[10:13] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer-: best keyboard in existance
[10:13] <SlicerDicer-> DiabloD3, the problem is I pay 10-20$ more from local store but shipping + time wasted its not worth my time
[10:13] <SlicerDicer-> link DiabloD3?
[10:14] <DiabloD3> google for it
[10:14] <felipebisbal> yes... fun when you have time for it
[10:14] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer-: but yeah, I dont even have local stores
[10:14] <felipebisbal> I cannot spend time in this things
[10:14] <DiabloD3> felipebisbal: what partition is your windows?
[10:14] <felipebisbal> hda1
[10:15] <DiabloD3> sudo mkdir /windows
[10:15] <SlicerDicer-> http://shop.store.yahoo.com/pfuca-store/haphackeylit1.html that DiabloD3 ?
[10:15] <DiabloD3> then, every time you want to mount, sudo mount /dev/hda1 /windows
[10:15] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer-: yup, thats one of them
[10:15] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer-: theres a few different versions
[10:15] <SlicerDicer-> I cant use that my hands are large I have to have a keyboard I can type on....
[10:16] <DiabloD3> SlicerDicer-: theres a bigger one
[10:16] <DiabloD3> afk food
[10:16] <BobiTrobi> \sh tnx for help
[10:16] <BobiTrobi> I found that this is a known bug if postfix was not configured and used
[10:16] <jazwec> diablod3 so when i want to install teamspeak..i have to download it from their website and then use which command
[10:16] <felipebisbal> diabloD3 i cannot acces to folder /windows
[10:17] <felipebisbal> I don't know where /windows is... and i've not permission to enter
[10:17] <StR> Hi there..
[10:18] <sgmihai> i did apt-get install wine and it says the package is not available, what did i do wrong ?
[10:19] <felipebisbal> diabloD3 I dont know where i've created the folder, i dont find it
[10:22] <sgmihai> what's up with that ?
[10:22] <Riddell> sgmihai: you need universe enabled
[10:23] <sgmihai> Riddell: how do i do that ?
[10:23] <jazwec> diablod3 could u help me please
[10:23] <Riddell> sgmihai: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:23] <AMIGrAve> Riddell: Yes hoary, it is strange because I installed kubuntu on 4 different computers at home and it is the only one where I have this problem. It segfault on getdents64()
[10:23] <sgmihai> edit it and put what there ?
[10:23] <Riddell> sgmihai: details at http://kudos.berlios.de/
[10:24] <Riddell> AMIGrAve: does it work on other 64 bit computers?
[10:26] <AMIGrAve> Riddell: well I found it strange to see getdents64() and not getdents() because my laptop is not a 64 bit computer it's a centrino and I installed hoary i386 and I did not yet installed a more suitable kernel yet so I'm running 2.6.10-5-386
[10:27] <Riddell> AMIGrAve: maybe ksys thinks it's fa 64 bit machine when it isn't for some reason
[10:28] <jazwec> please..could anybody help me..how can i install applications which i have downloaded from internet
[10:29] <transgress> jazwec: RTFM
[10:29] <ubuntu> hello
[10:29] <transgress> hello
[10:30] <ubuntu> I'm trying out the kubuntu live/install dvd
[10:30] <ubuntu> I'm not a naive linux user
[10:30] <ubuntu> I just noticed that
[10:30] <ubuntu> (of course)
[10:30] <ubuntu> the dvd does not create automatically mount points for the windows paritions on my hard drive
[10:30] <ubuntu> I can of course create them manually on my sistem
[10:31] <ubuntu> *system
[10:31] <ubuntu> but I wanted to lend the dvd to my father too
[10:31] <ubuntu> and i was hoping in something that could handle his hard disk, at least for reading, without intervention
[10:31] <tone> hi there
[10:31] <transgress> ubuntu: try the ubuntu dvd... it should automount the shit... also look in konq under the media section
[10:31] <ubuntu> I have the dvd
[10:32] <ubuntu> and I do see the media section
[10:32] <ubuntu> but I can' t tell it where to mount the partitions
[10:32] <ubuntu> I have 3 partitions
[10:32] <ubuntu> and neither is in either fstab or mtab
[10:32] <transgress> ubuntu: you using the ubuntu or kubuntu livecd?
[10:32] <ubuntu> so it won' t mount them
[10:32] <ubuntu> kubuntu dvd live
[10:32] <transgress> try the ubuntu one then... it should automount them
[10:32] <kubuntu_dvd> ooh
[10:33] <kubuntu_dvd> I thought the only difference was that one had kde as default, the other had gnome
[10:33] <kubuntu_dvd> didn' t think they were so much different :)
[10:33] <transgress> it pretty much is
[10:33] <AMIGrAve> Riddell: anyway, in the strace output, there are a lot of functions64() used, and getdents64() has been called before without segfault. The segfault occurs a little bit after open() has been called with parameter /proc/acpi/battery  but /proc/acpi/battery is not a file, it's a directory. Not sure if it is the cause of the segfault.
[10:33] <tone> is it possible to automatically mount usb sticks/harddisks or cds in kubuntu ?
[10:33] <transgress> but gnome has a handy thing called gnome vfs or gnome vm or something like that
[10:33] <sgmihai> what's the distro that has the largest binary repository on the net ?
[10:34] <tone> debian maybe ?
[10:34] <transgress> probably
[10:34] <kubuntu_dvd> transgress: i see. whereas the media:// protocol in kde does not allow something like d'n'd of a media object on a folder to mount it?
[10:34] <transgress> what's it matter?
[10:34] <sgmihai> i couldn't find mplayer in the debian rep
[10:34] <tone> it isnt
[10:34] <kubuntu_dvd> transgress: or any other way to mount something not specified in fstab?
[10:34] <kubuntu_dvd> hm
[10:34] <kubuntu_dvd> maybe I should ask on #kde
[10:34] <sgmihai> tone why ?
[10:34] <tone> u have to add the marrillat repositories
[10:35] <sgmihai> the whaat ?
[10:35] <transgress> sgmihai: read the debian docs on free software
[10:35] <sgmihai> ok, what's the distro that has the largest binary repository on the net AND has mplayer in it ?
[10:35] <tone> sgmihai, read this: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[10:35] <transgress> sgmihai: are you retarded?
[10:36] <tone> and after that: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[10:36] <tone> lol
[10:36] <tone> good question
[10:36] <Riddell> AMIGrAve: difficulty is in finding out if it's a ksysguard problem or acpi
[10:36] <tone> sgmihai, first: it is not that hard to compile mplayer (download, untar, ./configure &&make&&make install, thats it)
[10:37] <tone> second: read the links that i gave you, there are prebuild debs
[10:37] <transgress> third:  you aren't going to need the biggest repo's because you aren't going to use 1/10 of the shit in them
[10:37] <tone> but NOT in the default repositories
[10:37] <tone> well said transgress 
[10:38] <tone> if i only had enough time, i would try out LFS
[10:38] <tone> and use reiser4
[10:38] <transgress> i'm entirely too lazy to do lfs
[10:39] <transgress> did the lazy man's lfs with gentoo before... but i don't like updating all my stuff manually in slack... much less something as deep as lfs
[10:39] <tone> hehe
[10:39] <tone> transgress, maybe you know the kanotix live cd ?
[10:41] <transgress> nope
[10:42] <tone> ultra bloated knoppix-like distribution with a super cool automount feature: plug in external usb HD and voila: icon on desktop, same with cd-roms or usb sticks
[10:42] <AMIGrAve> Riddell: is there a kernel param in order to disable acpi ?
[10:43] <Riddell> AMIGrAve: acpi=off at bootup
[10:43] <AMIGrAve> Riddell: gonna try
[10:43] <Riddell> tone: kubuntu does that
[10:43] <tone> i plugged in my usb stick, nothing happened
[10:43] <tone> i plug in a cd: nothing happens
[10:44] <kubuntu_dvd> Riddell: kubuntu live doesn' t even automount the local harddisk
[10:44] <tone> i installed it on hard drive
[10:44] <transgress> tone: it run gnome?
[10:44] <tone> no, kde
[10:44] <tone> kubuntu not ubuntu
[10:44] <transgress> kanotix that is
[10:45] <tone> transgress, "kanotix that is", sorry i dont understand you, im not natively english speaking
[10:46] <transgress> tone: does kanotix run gnome or kde?
[10:46] <tone> kde
[10:47] <tone> i found this: http://kanotix.com/files/debian/automount-kanotix/ but i dunno if/how i can use it with kubuntu
[10:48] <Riddell> tone: tried media:/  ?
[10:48] <tone> yes
[10:48] <Riddell> hot plug devices don't show up?
[10:49] <tone> the cdrom was accessible sth like 30 seconds after i put it in and the usb stick didnt appear at all
[10:49] <transgress> yeah my usb hard drive doesn't show up in it either when i hotplug it
[10:50] <tone> in media i have cdrom, cdrom0 and cdrom1 ( i only have 2 dvd drives) and floppy and floppy0
[10:50] <tone> nothing else
[10:50] <tone> i dont have a floppy drive at all
[10:51] <AMIGrAve> tone: can you tell if "Unmounted removable media" is checked in the Desktop->Behavior->Device Icons tab in the kde control panel ?
[10:52] <tone> device icons is completely shaded out
[10:52] <AMIGrAve> Riddell: the problem does not appears when booting with acpi=off, ksysguardd is loaded wihtout problem
[10:53] <AMIGrAve> tone: you mean the whole tab or just the check box "Show device icons" is unchecked ?
[10:53] <tone> the "show device icons" check box
[10:54] <AMIGrAve> tone: try to check this checkbox, and ensure that "Unmounted removable media" is checked, then have a look at your desktop and tell us if the icon of your usb storage media is there
[10:55] <tone> omfg, i will never ever use this usb cable extension again
[10:55] <tone> seconds after i plugged the stick in directly it appeared
[10:55] <DiabloD3> lol
[10:56] <DiabloD3> its broken?
[10:56] <tone> it wasnt plugged in (on the computer side)
[10:56] <AMIGrAve> ;-)
[10:56] <tone> im plugging in and out without noticing that the other end isnt plugged in
[10:57] <tone> hmm, i now have two usb stick icons on my desktop
[10:57] <tone> and both are empty
[10:59] <tone> ok
[10:59] <tone> because it _was_ empty
[11:01] <tone> this is too dumb to tell people in a irc channel
[11:01] <tone> dammit, i always type what i think
[11:01] <tone> argh
[11:04] <mrmanic> does anybody else use rdesktop?
[11:07] <ksut> Is it safe to format a swap partition that is already a swap partition for another linux distro?
[11:11] <apollo2011> Is it safe to format a swap partition in the ubuntu install if it is already a swap partition for suse?
[11:11] <uniq> sure. wouldn't change anything. it's still swap :)
[11:13] <AMIGrAve> Riddell: do you think I should report something to kde about the ksyguardd segfaulting when acpi in on on my laptop ?
[11:14] <osh> What's a good tool for converting my DVD's to XviD so that I can bring them on a trip?
[11:18] <transgress> okay so i plugged up my external drive to my computer and it's not showing up...
[11:18] <transgress> in media:/
[11:19] <transgress> osh: umm dvd::rip and transcode maybe?
[11:20] <Riddell> AMIGrAve: well it might be a fault with the acpi driver
[11:20] <Riddell> AMIGrAve: report it to bugzilla and make sure you have a hwdb profile
[11:20] <osh> transgress: Those are selections that show up when I slot in a DVD? I don't see them now. Thanks for the hint though. I'll check it out.
[11:34] <transgress> okay i'm trying to reformat my external ntfs drive... and it's giving me all kinds of trouble
[11:34] <transgress> i fdisked it, but it's still showing the old partition table
[11:34] <transgress> but if i fdisk it now and list the partitions... it shows the new one
[11:35] <transgress> yet it will still automount under ubuntu as an ntfs... it seems making changes to the partition table on it should've broken that...
[11:37] <transgress> eh well i'm changing the filesystem type now
[11:37] <transgress> maybe that will break it and let me get this thing working well in linux... none of that ntfs crap
[11:37] <uniq> transgress: tried to mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdXX ? 
[11:37] <transgress> hehe that's just what i started doing
[11:37] <uniq> ok :)
[11:38] <uniq> probably a good idea to unmount it first.
[11:38] <uniq> if you didn't do it already.
[11:38] <transgress> i did
[11:38] <uniq> ok :)
[11:38] <transgress> this drive has just given me a lot of shit over the years heh
[11:41] <transgress> ah finally
[11:41] <transgress> got my usb drive back
[11:41] <transgress> now to copy it all over
[11:45] <uniq> :)
[11:45] <konrad> Hello, how to access 'debian' menu entries in Kubyntu?
[11:46] <konrad> I had "debin" submenu in Sarge, now it is clean, but too clean :-)
[11:46] <uniq> apt-get install menu i guess.
[11:46] <uniq> witout the 'i guess' part. :)
[11:46] <uniq> +h
[11:47] <konrad> heh, I forgot!
[11:48] <uniq> if it's already installed 'update-menus'
[11:48] <uniq> gah.. if it's already installed... try to run 'update-menus' or 'update-menus.real'