[12:00] <dooglus> is it normal for ubuntu to install every package that has ever been created when you first log into it?
[12:00] <topyli> mako: ah, i'll lurk for a while then :)
[12:00] <DenisG> isn't there any alternative to the boot iso?
[12:01] <dooglus> it's installing over 600 packages, apparently.
[12:01] <dooglus> that's in addition to the ones it installed when I ran the installer.
[12:01] <runelind> I have firefox 1.0.2 in kubuntu which likes to crash pretty regularly, is there an updated package?  apt doesn't seem to have a newer version
[12:01] <k31th> yo
[12:02] <wolverian> runelind: are you sure it's not a plugin that is causing it? (e.g. java or some such?) ff is very stable for me.
[12:02] <othernoob> does anyone know of a site that shows the growth of linux over the years ?
[12:02] <runelind> I have a feeling it is flash
[12:02] <nickrud> othernoob, linuxcounter.org
[12:03] <m4x> is anyone here using dual flat-panel monitors successfully?
[12:03] <nickrud> othernoob, I'v forgotten it :)
[12:03] <dooglus> m4x: I am.
[12:04] <runelind> yeah I'm sure it is the flash plugin
[12:04] <runelind> I removed it, and it seems stable now
[12:04] <nickrud> othernoob, counter.li.org
[12:04] <dooglus> m4x: they're both showing a page of scrolling text, "setting up totem-gstreamer", "setting up tsclient", etc, etc, and have been for a long, long time.
[12:04] <runelind> I'm trying flashplayer-mozilla
[12:05] <othernoob> nickrud: thanks :) i watched revolution os the other day again and i've been wondering about its current usage since :)
[12:06] <nickrud> othernoob, what's revolution os?
[12:06] <othernoob> :O:O
[12:06] <dooglus> nickrud: it's a movie
[12:06] <dooglus> nickrud: about the free software / open source movements
[12:06] <runelind> yeah that works much better
[12:06] <cyphase> hey everyone
[12:06] <runelind> weird that they're still using 1.0.2 of firefox though
[12:06] <nickrud> hm, is it free?
[12:06] <saber_> man.. all the good dvd backup sites are in Dutch (.de)
[12:06] <othernoob> nickrud: go to wikipedia and search for it
[12:07] <thingfish> that's Germany
[12:07] <dooglus> nickrud: no.  it was a commercial movie i believe.
[12:07] <KingArthur> hello all.  Just curious, I've got a pentium M laptop, and I'm trying to figure out if I could use the i586 kernal image and if so, would it be any better then the 386 one that I have currently
[12:07] <thingfish> KingArthur: you can even use the i686 image.
[12:07] <othernoob> nickrud: there's a download link, but poor quality..the dvd costs like $20...20 something
[12:07] <mjr> you could; it might be marginally faster
[12:07] <KingArthur> are there any advantages to using the 686 image over the 386 with a Pentium M?
[12:08] <nickrud> othernoob, I was kinda joking, but if its downloadable, i guess is is free :)
[12:08] <Inder> ok
[12:09] <Ryan_> 25% downloaded :(
[12:09] <othernoob> nickrud: well the link is on wikipedia :) but the quality isn't very good, however, before purchasing the dvd id go for it as well
[12:10] <KingArthur> I'm currently updating my system with the 2.6.10 kernal image for i386, but I wanted to know if it would be just as wize to update to the i686 image with my laptop's M processor.  If I would see any sort of optimizations, or if it would just be bloated.  Also, if I decided to switch to the i686, would all my hardware still work fine without a recompile of stuff?  *I'm a semi newbie*
[12:11] <dave_> Yes, KingArthur.
[12:12] <dave_> Bear in mind the 686-kernel will not REPLACE the 386 one, it will be added.
[12:12] <thingfish> KingArthur: the i686 image is better suited for more modern processors, and the image can deal with more than 900MB ram.  You would not have to recompile anything at all.
[12:12] <liran> hey all
[12:12] <liran> gstreamer-0.8
[12:12] <dave_> If you run an AMD processor, you'll want the k6-k7 kernel package
[12:12] <liran> im getting compiling errors
[12:12] <TestDummy> Work >_< !
[12:12] <liran> with gstreamer-0.8 missing package
[12:12] <liran> but apt-get cant find it
[12:13] <KingArthur> thanks guys.  I'll be getting the i686 soon as the i386 is updated
[12:13] <thingfish> I think you need to enable universe and multiverse, liran.
[12:13] <thingfish> in order for it to be apt-gettable.
[12:13] <liran> anyone?
[12:13] <dave_> liran, what are the exact error messages?
[12:14] <TestDummy> Anybody know why my computer freezes up during boot, but tries to probe for non-existant drives when in Recovery Mode?
[12:14] <HiddenWolf> guys, if fdisk /dev/sda returns an error, yet the disk is there, and working, then what is wrong with the filesystem?
[12:14] <TestDummy> (I've asked on the forum and here, nobody seems know have any ideas =(  )
[12:14] <dave_> TestDummy, are you using special graphics drivers?
[12:14] <TestDummy> Nope.
[12:14] <TestDummy> This is right after install, I haven't installed anything
[12:14] <TestDummy> Although, it is an old ATi card..
[12:14] <dave_> HiddenWolf, it may be the physical size differs from the size given in the boot sector.
[12:15] <liran> dave_:  No package 'gstreamer-0.8' found
[12:15] <liran> configure: error: you need gstreamer development packages installed !
[12:15] <TestDummy> I forget which model exactly, but it's old
[12:15] <dave_> TestDummy, does gnome crash after, say, about 20 seconds?
[12:15] <Jormundgand> How should I go about installing a font which is in TTF form?
[12:15] <TestDummy> It doesn't even get near to starting Gnome
[12:15] <dave_> By hand, Jormundgand
[12:15] <TestDummy> It gets to "Starting Ubuntu" and stops
[12:15] <superted> does anyone know when firefox 1.0.4 is coming?
[12:15] <Jormundgand> dave_: How would I do it though?
[12:15] <TestDummy> If I do recovery mode, it tries to probe for drive IRQ's for drives that don't even exist in my computer
[12:16] <liran> dave_ ?
[12:16] <nickrud> superted, 1.0.2 has the significant changes backported from 1.0.4
[12:16] <dave_> Jormundgand, http://moisty.org/~brion/linux/TrueType-HOWTO.html
[12:16] <superted> nickrud: ok, thanks
[12:16] <TestDummy> But, outside of that
[12:16] <TestDummy> I have no clue whatsoever is wrong with the thing
[12:16] <nickrud> superted, the only problem is extensions, and firefox's extention page has a link to the fix
[12:16] <TestDummy> It gives no output or errors, just locks up when booting
[12:16] <FiReWoRkS> Hi, just installed ubuntu but cant manage to get to graphic mode... what i am supposed to do?
[12:17] <dave_> TestDummy, did you test your memory? Tried booting another kernel?
[12:17] <liran> dave_ ?
[12:17] <mattlins> How do I remove a full dir with sub dirs?
[12:17] <TestDummy> How can I even get another kernel when this one computer isn't connected to the Internet??
[12:17] <TestDummy> And..
[12:17] <TestDummy> No, I haven't tested the memory
[12:17] <thingfish> mattlins: rm -Rf
[12:17] <TestDummy> But Warty worked fine on it
[12:18] <dave_> mattlins, rm -rf dir
[12:18] <dave_> TestDummy, then it's most likely not a hardware problem.
[12:18] <mattlins> thanks, and how do I remove a package that I installed with apt get-install?
[12:18] <liran> pepole,whats the package name in ubuntu for gaim-vv?
[12:18] <TestDummy> Then what?? :|
[12:18] <runelind> apt-get remove
[12:18] <mattlins> thanks
[12:18] <nickrud> liran, libgstreamer0.8-dev
[12:18] <dave_> Hmmm..did you try booting Knoppix or Helix, perchance?
[12:19] <k31th> i really need to stop torren pening all my video files
[12:19] <k31th> it sux
[12:19] <TestDummy> Uh, not really.
[12:20] <TestDummy> But anohter one I tried did the same thing
[12:20] <liran> nickrud and for gaim-vv ?
[12:20] <TestDummy> I think that computer isn't very penguin friendly =(
[12:20] <phenotype> is there a faq that anyone knows about to set up a ubuntu os on a Raid 0
[12:20] <MonkeyBonkey> :(
[12:20] <MonkeyBonkey> im so upset
[12:21] <phenotype> have a bannana
[12:21] <MonkeyBonkey> Ive been trying to installl ICEWM on Ubuntu and i cant get it to work
[12:21] <xenos> What are the differences between different distributions of linux
[12:21] <MonkeyBonkey> Can someone explain to me how to install Ice wm on ubuntu
[12:21] <liran> nickrud and for gaim-vv ?
[12:21] <MonkeyBonkey> oh ya and i dont have internet on my computer that i have ubuntu on
[12:21] <nickrud> liran, I'm not even sure what that is.
[12:22] <nickrud> why are you compiling it, anyway?
[12:22] <MonkeyBonkey> nickrud, can u help me
[12:22] <xenos> hey nickrud
[12:22] <liran> nickrud: its video chat for gaim
[12:22] <saber_> Ah! A version of transcode that does not break anything: http://apt.cerkinfo.be/
[12:22] <nickrud> hey xenos, MonkeyBonkey
[12:22] <MonkeyBonkey> i got all the Icewm packages and then i dont know what to do,
[12:22] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, you got them all?
[12:23] <MonkeyBonkey> i tryed using dpkg -i and then it says dependent on blah blah blah error
[12:23] <nickrud> that must have been fun
[12:23] <MonkeyBonkey> nickrud how do i install
[12:23] <mattlins> How do I know if I am running Warty or Hoary?  I have version 5.
[12:23] <MonkeyBonkey> do i just go dpkg -i ?????????.deb
[12:23] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, then you need those dependencies also
[12:23] <MonkeyBonkey> well can u get me all the packages and dependencys, zip them and send em to me over irc?
[12:24] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, just a sec
[12:24] <MonkeyBonkey> k
[12:24] <MonkeyBonkey> :(|)
[12:24] <TestDummy> mattlins: Hoary is 5.04 last I checked
[12:24] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, put all the debs in their own directory, and in that directory dpkg -i * , if you have all the dependencies, that should work, I think
[12:25] <MonkeyBonkey> but what dependencies do i need
[12:25] <topyli> MonkeyBonkey: you should take a look at wajig
[12:25] <jose666> hi??
[12:25] <nickrud> topyli, he has no internet
[12:25] <MonkeyBonkey> and what directory do i put them in
[12:25] <jose666> #algo
[12:25] <MonkeyBonkey> is it ok if its on a cd
[12:25] <topyli> arf, sorry
[12:25] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, cd is fine
[12:25] <MonkeyBonkey> k
[12:26] <MonkeyBonkey> but what dependencys do i need
[12:26] <MonkeyBonkey> for icewm
[12:26] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, you really need that apt-zip thing I told you about, it will figure out the dependencies for you
[12:26] <MonkeyBonkey> hmmm
[12:26] <MonkeyBonkey> do i need internet for that apt-zip
[12:26] <MonkeyBonkey> ?
[12:27] <nqt> is it pronounced yoo-buntu or oo-buntu?
[12:27] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, no, it creates a script you take to another machine, download the packages, and sneakernet them back to your machine
[12:27] <MonkeyBonkey> wait i think i found the dependencies online
[12:27] <MonkeyBonkey> online it just says i need Imlib
[12:27] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, you are making your life hard.
[12:28] <MonkeyBonkey> which one do i download
[12:28] <MonkeyBonkey> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/imlib/
[12:28] <heulsay> just booted ubuntu for the first time, i think it rock ! quite easy to install
[12:28] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, I don't compile (or very seldom), I use packages
[12:28] <MonkeyBonkey> well where can i get a imlib package
[12:29] <MonkeyBonkey> found it
[12:29] <liran> What is the package name in ubuntu for gaim-vv ?
[12:29] <underline> wazzup dudes... could anyone tell me if ubuntu's server is with some kind of lag!! i'm donwloading a ISO of ubuntu 5.04 during all the day =p
[12:30] <othernoob> mmh, how do i remove a kernel ?
[12:30] <MonkeyBonkey> whats the properway to install the packages,  dpkg -i ??????.deb?
[12:30] <phenotype> you can try linuxiso.org
[12:31] <othernoob> MonkeyBonkey: yes, afaik
[12:31] <phenotype> underline
[12:31] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, one last time, dpkg -i * in the deb directory
[12:31] <MonkeyBonkey> k
[12:31] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, do them all at once
[12:31] <mrknisely> I am having issues with my sound not working.  Anyone willing to help me troubleshoot it?
[12:31] <MonkeyBonkey> cuz to install im lib it says
[12:31] <MonkeyBonkey> ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc/imlib &&
[12:31] <MonkeyBonkey> make &&
[12:31] <MonkeyBonkey> make install
[12:31] <underline> phenotype great... thanks... but its already finishing... about 96% ;P
[12:31] <underline> i could though that earlier =p
[12:31] <MonkeyBonkey> can i install imlib by going dpkg -i?
[12:31] <underline> kkkkkkkkkkkkkk
[12:31] <spinifex> hey, I installed kdm, and then enlightenment, but kdm doesn't list enlightenment under sessions.  How do I fix this, or how do I switch back to gdm?
[12:32] <nickrud> spinifex, sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[12:32] <iepa> Hello
[12:32] <iepa> Good night
[12:33] <MonkeyBonkey> hi
[12:33] <underline> iepa hi... wazzup
[12:33] <iepa> I'm trying to configure my new wifi card
[12:33] <MonkeyBonkey> is SuSE good?
[12:33] <spinifex> thank you
[12:33] <underline> iepa wich one??
[12:33] <iepa> the matter is that is not visible
[12:33] <thingfish> MonkeyBonkey: the suse people like to think so.
[12:33] <iepa> f5d7011
[12:33] <iepa> that's the model
[12:33] <iepa> I have installed ndiswrapper
[12:34] <MonkeyBonkey> whats better suse or Ubuntu?
[12:34] <goldfish> ubuntu
[12:34] <MonkeyBonkey> why
[12:34] <thingfish> MonkeyBonkey: you have to try them for yourself and decide.
[12:34] <underline> MonkeyBonkey UBUNTU =p
[12:34] <mrknisely> I have a ES1978 Maestro 2E Sound card that is not working.
[12:34] <underline> iepa wich manufacturer??? =p
[12:34] <iepa> and finally choosing not the default .inf , other one, it says driver ok!
[12:34] <thingfish> IMHO, anything based on Debian is better than anything based on rpm.
[12:34] <mrknisely> Can someone help me troubleshoot it?
[12:34] <iepa> belkin, sorry underline
[12:34] <liran> sorry to ask it here,but anyone knows a tool that works like partition magic for windows? i need one for free
[12:34] <FiReWoRkS> hi... i just installed ubuntu but could not managet to get to the graphic mode... what should I do?
[12:34] <iepa> I have been reading and I have not found nothing
[12:35] <mrknisely> Liran, QTparted works great.
[12:35] <thingfish> FiReWoRkS: any error messages?
[12:35] <iepa> thanks in advance underlin
[12:35] <iepa> thanks in advance underline
[12:35] <liran> mrknisely: for windows?
[12:35] <underline> iepa anytime
[12:35] <goldfish> cfdisk is nice
[12:36] <MonkeyBonkey> n e 1 tryed gentoo?
[12:36] <FiReWoRkS> no, I just cant get to it... when i start the computer, goes to the "black mode"... I tried startx, init, but could not go to the graphic mode...
[12:36] <thingfish> othernoob: do not PM me.
[12:36] <MonkeyBonkey> ?
[12:37] <underline> iepa im not good with ndiswrapper coz i've never used it... i dont need it... my atheros works nice with my debian (kernel 2.6.10)
[12:37] <underline> using madwifi from the cvs =p
[12:37] <mrknisely> Does anyone have any suggestions on a soundcard not working properly in Ubuntu.
[12:38] <iepa> ok, underline
[12:38] <underline> iepa let me google it...
[12:38] <underline> iepa just a se
[12:38] <underline> sec
[12:38] <SlicerDicer> I am looking for the package updater program I cant find it in synaptic can somebody tell me the name please
[12:38] <iepa> I have a hint, something related to my broadcom chipset
[12:38] <iepa> umm maybe  Truemobile 1350
[12:38] <othernoob> thingfish: why do you prefer deb over rpm ? does it really matter ?
[12:39] <bur[n] er> othernoob: yes :)
[12:39] <bur[n] er> .deb has dependencies noted and easily gettable with apt
[12:39] <bur[n] er> .rpms are specific to suse, mandrake, redhat, etc
[12:39] <iepa> underline  Broadcom 94306
[12:39] <bur[n] er> .deb's are pretty universal to debian, ubuntu, morphix, knoppix, kanotix, etc.
[12:40] <Timbo> bur[n] er: but not completely, worth mentioning
[12:40] <othernoob> bur[n] er: of course debs are universal to debian-derivatives.
[12:40] <jamesio> if my .deb gets around, does that mean she gets a .rep?
[12:40] <spinifex> I changed it to gdm, but it still doesn't list enlightenment.  How do I fix this?
[12:40] <FiReWoRkS> thingfish can you help me?
[12:40] <underline> iepa take a look at this http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/41/2005/02/1/284082
[12:40] <mrknisely> Can someone suggest how I can troubleshoot my sound card issues?
[12:40] <underline> iepa ill find out a lill more... just a sec
[12:41] <othernoob> bur[n] er but deb or rpm won't really matter if you compile everything yourself, they're just there to make installing easier for you
[12:41] <bur[n] er> lol @ jamesio
[12:41] <Pupeno> What's the Ubuntu/Debian to install Products on a Zope instance ?
[12:41] <jamesio> bur[n] er, thanks... I didn't think anyone got it
[12:41] <SlicerDicer> I am looking for the package updater program I cant find it in synaptic can somebody tell me the name please?
[12:41] <bur[n] er> othernoob: i use .debs so i don't have to compile everything ;)  if i wanted to compile, i'd use slackware or gentoo
[12:41] <spinifex> I installed enlightenment, but it is not listed under sessions in GDM.  How do I add it?
[12:41] <spinifex> (installed through synaptic)
[12:42] <Burgundavia> SlicerDicer, there are 2 pieces, a daemon that checks the status the part that that gets shon
[12:42] <underline> iepa when you type ndiswrapper -i <file>.inf what you get???
[12:42] <othernoob> bur[n] er that's my point ;)
[12:42] <Burgundavia> SlicerDicer, update-manager and -notifier
[12:43] <SlicerDicer> Burgundavia: ok
[12:43] <mrknisely> Does nobody have any suggestion on troubleshooting a sound card issue?
[12:43] <k31th> wats the dvd libs called?
[12:44] <underline> iepa i gotta go... later ill be back... but take a look at this: http://www.brunolinux.com/08+-WiFi/Ndiswrapper.html  and   http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/List?PHPSESSID=ed20c90ab9252f31ee10555dbb8202fa
[12:45] <FiReWoRkS> hi... i just installed ubuntu but could not managet to get to the graphic mode... what should I do?
[12:45] <goldfish> got an nvidia card FiReWoRkS ?
[12:46] <crimsun> k31th: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:46] <FiReWoRkS> yes
[12:46] <iepa> underline
[12:46] <jared> How can I have my laptop have a static IP address at homeso it can safely join a NIS domain, but still use DHCP at work?
[12:46] <iepa> thanks
[12:46] <crimsun> mrknisely: what type of sound card?
[12:46] <goldfish> FiReWoRkS: you need to get the nvidia drivers.... one sec
[12:46] <mrknisely> I'm running 5.04 and I have a ES1978 Maestro 2E integrated soundcard in my Compaq Armada E500 laptop.  The soundcard plays the "drums" at the GDM login prompt then nothing after.
[12:46] <kanzen> hello, I'm trying to install the AMD64 port of unbuntu 5.04 and am running into a when it tries to load the install files. If I hit Alt-F4 I see it complaining about a bad md5sum. I've tried burning a couple of new CDs, but get the same error. I downloaded this image via bittorrent: MD5 (ubuntu-5.04-install-amd64.iso) = 46135038af6dd2ef36fd8d521afe7de4
[12:46] <FiReWoRkS> just apt-get install nvidia-glx does not work goldfish ?
[12:47] <goldfish> yeah
[12:47] <mark345> im having problems using alsa as input in the gnome multimedia systems selector
[12:47] <crimsun> mrknisely: lsmod|grep ^snd_es19
[12:47] <slimb> FiReWorks : http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver   did you try this?
[12:47] <mark345> anyone know of a way to fix this?
[12:47] <goldfish> slimb: he has no X
[12:47] <goldfish> well
[12:47] <goldfish> it's not working
[12:48] <mrknisely> output:  snd_es1968             27648  0
[12:48] <FiReWoRkS> i'll try that
[12:48] <nqt> is there a way to find configuration files from packages no longer installed, and delete them?
[12:48] <FiReWoRkS> thanks slimb goldfish
[12:48] <FiReWoRkS> =)
[12:48] <goldfish> heh
[12:48] <goldfish> good luck
[12:48] <crimsun> mrknisely: pgrep esd
[12:49] <mrknisely> Crimsun:  No output from that command.
[12:49] <crimsun> mrknisely: are you trying to use alsa specifically?
[12:49] <crimsun> mrknisely: or would esound suffice?
[12:49] <mrknisely> I wouldn't know alsa if it hit me over the head.
[12:49] <mrknisely> I just want sound.
[12:49] <slimb> goldfish - i didn't notice that :)   normally i'd assume one has x with no drivers installed (as was the case with me :))
[12:49] <mrknisely> I don't care about bells and whistles.
[12:50] <crimsun> mrknisely: System>Preferences>Sound
[12:50] <crimsun> mrknisely: ensure that "Enable sound server startup" is checked
[12:50] <mrknisely> Crimsun:  It is.
[12:50] <crimsun> mrknisely: did you kill esd anytime before?
[12:50] <crimsun> mrknisely: open a Terminal and execute esd
[12:50] <mark345> i can select alsa for output, and the test works, but input does not work
[12:51] <goldfish> slimb|dinner: :)
[12:51] <crimsun> nqt: with awk, yes
[12:52] <gratuitioustroll> what does ubuntu have against straight white men? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/include/circle.jpg are they not "diverse" enough?
[12:52] <nickrud> nqt, aptitude can do that for you
[12:53] <nickrud> nqt, inside aptitude, type l~c
[12:53] <kanzen> I just looked in md5sum.txt and the checksum for ./dists/hoary/main/debian-installer/binary-amd64/Packages.gz doesn't match
[12:53] <nickrud> nqt, that will limit the display to configured, but uninstalled programs
[12:53] <nqt> nickrud, tilde inclusive?
[12:53] <kanzen> Is this a known problem with the install, or did I somehow get a bad torrent?
[12:53] <crimsun> gratuitioustroll: surely there are other more useful wastes of your time?
[12:54] <crimsun> mrknisely: any luck?
[12:54] <nickrud> nqt, the l is the command, ~c is the entry
[12:54] <othernoob> crimsun: did you actually understand what he said ?if so, would you let me in on the mysterious ways of his thinking ;)
[12:54] <nickrud> nqt, a text box will pop up
[12:54] <gratuitioustroll> crimsun: indeed there are, but this one just got under my skin
[12:54] <mrknisely> Any luck with what?  Sound Server is enabled.
[12:54] <kanzen> well... I retract the bad install, since the CD checksum matches
[12:55] <nqt> nickrud, nifty, thanks
[12:55] <nickrud> ntq, that l command is the bomb :)
[12:55] <crimsun> mrknisely: no. First, System>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector>Default Audio Sink>ESD
[12:55] <crimsun> mrknisely: second, start esd from a Terminal
[12:55] <crimsun> mrknisely: sound should then work for all gstreamer-based apps
[12:55] <nickrud> nqt, /usr/share/doc/aptitude has a section on those tilde searches
[12:56] <Xenguy> Pupeno: sorry, I came into this thread late I guess
[12:56] <Xenguy> ww
[12:56] <mrknisely> ESD is already being used.
[12:57] <crimsun> mrknisely: then execute esd in a Terminal
[12:57] <mrknisely> or so says the Multimedia System Selector.
[12:57] <mrknisely> Hmm... Permission denied.
[12:57] <Kpjas> Hi, I have a couple of questions 1. how can I create custom key bindings to run progs? 2. Is there a way to run Firefox at startup ?
[12:57] <pvanhoof> how do I reconfigure my soundcard?
[12:58] <crimsun> pvanhoof: what do you need to accomplish?
[12:58] <mrknisely> ls -l  = -rwxr-xr-x
[12:58] <lsuactiafner> whats a good pci wireless card to buy?
[12:58] <lsuactiafner> marvell chipset supported well?
[12:58] <pvanhoof> crimsun, I reinstalled (from scratch) hoary, but the soundcard isn't working
[12:58] <pvanhoof> whereas this used to work
[12:58] <crimsun> pvanhoof: and what sound card is it?
[12:58] <nickrud> Kpjas, system-preferences keyboard shortcuts, and preferences sessions
[12:58] <mark345> anyone know of a program better than gnomebaker to burn audio cds?
[12:58] <pvanhoof> 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
[12:58] <crimsun> pvanhoof: are you using snd_intel8x0?
[12:59] <pvanhoof> how do I know?
[12:59] <nickrud> Kpjas, you can also configure keyboard shortcuts in gconf-editor, under apps/metacity
[12:59] <crimsun> lsmod|grep ^snd_intel8x0
[12:59] <pvanhoof> root@lort:~ # lsmod|grep ^snd_intel8x0
[12:59] <pvanhoof> snd_intel8x0           32352  0
[12:59] <pvanhoof> root@lort:~ #
[12:59] <crimsun> pvanhoof: and amixer output => pastebin
[12:59] <mrknisely> crimsun:  Got a permission denied.
[12:59] <Kpjas> nickrud: thanks I'll try
[12:59] <mrknisely> If I run it as root I get output.
[01:00] <pvanhoof> crimsun, where can I find "pastebin"?
[01:00] <mrknisely> Sound that is.
[01:00] <nickrud> Kpjas, np, I use all of that
[01:00] <pvanhoof> is it a channel?
[01:00] <crimsun> mrknisely: only if you run what as root?
[01:00] <kanzen> Is anyone here running the AMD64 port installed from the install cd iso?
[01:00] <SlicerDicer> does kubuntu have issues running the update-manager?
[01:00] <crimsun> pvanhoof: http://pastebin.com
[01:00] <pvanhoof> ok
[01:00] <Riddell> SlicerDicer: nope
[01:00] <pvanhoof> that website ain't working atm crimsun
[01:01] <crimsun> pvanhoof: then use pastebin.ca
[01:01] <mrknisely> crimsun:  only if I run esd as root do I get tones.  If I run as myself I get permission denied message.
[01:01] <SlicerDicer> Riddell: I for some reason cannot run it except from terminal....
[01:01] <pvanhoof> http://pastebin.ca/12555
[01:02] <pvanhoof> "No volume control elements and/or devices found." is what Volume control gives me
[01:02] <lsuactiafner> whats a well supported pci wireless card? marvell any good?
[01:02] <pvanhoof> gnomemeeting also didn't find any devices for the alsa stuff
[01:02] <crimsun> mrknisely: is your user in the audio group?
[01:02] <fidget> hey does anyone know if the airport extream is supported in ubuntu? and ... are there any other problems of running this on a power pc?
[01:03] <pvanhoof> that was for me?
[01:03] <crimsun> fidget: no, it's not
[01:03] <crimsun> pvanhoof: it was not addressed to you
[01:03] <pvanhoof> ah ok
[01:03] <fidget> dang ....
[01:03] <fidget> is it possible to swap the cards out?
[01:03] <Burgundavia> fidget, to the best of my knowledge, airport extremem doesn't work on an flavour of linux
[01:03] <Riddell> SlicerDicer: how else would you run it?
[01:03] <mrknisely> crimsun:  Looks like nobody is a member of that group.
[01:03] <pvanhoof> thats perhaps another question. I can't access /dev/video0 unless I hack it using chmod 666 /dev/video0
[01:03] <SlicerDicer> Riddell: umm via the icon that it installed perhaps?
[01:04] <Burgundavia> fidget, I would get an external card and send a letter to broadcom
[01:04] <KingArthur> lsuac: I use a Dlink card and it works great for me
[01:04] <fidget> ah
[01:04] <crimsun> mrknisely: of audio? Well, you need to add your user to that group
[01:04] <fidget> thanks burgundavia
[01:04] <fidget> humm .. how do you send messages adressed to just one person?
[01:04] <Riddell> SlicerDicer: I don't think it installs one, I think it has some gnome way of launching that doesn't show up in kde
[01:04] <judari_> has anyone else had trouble with ubuntu 5.04 detecting pci or isa netowrk cards? I've tried two different cards and it can't seem to detect them..
[01:04] <KingArthur> although my internal wireless hasn't worked since the final version of Horay
[01:04] <fidget> i'm new to ... debian and irc as well
[01:04] <SlicerDicer> Riddell: its in the menu in gnome if you look
[01:04] <SlicerDicer> Riddell: same with kde
[01:05] <SlicerDicer> Riddell: under system it says update manager 'ubuntu update manager'
[01:05] <mrknisely> crimsun:  I am now added to that group.  Still get a permission denied when I try to run esd.
[01:05] <pvanhoof> freax@lort:~ $ cat /dev/audio
[01:05] <pvanhoof> cat: /dev/audio: Permission denied
[01:05] <pvanhoof> freax@lort:~ $
[01:05] <crimsun> mrknisely: you need to log out and back in
[01:05] <pvanhoof> hmm
[01:05] <pvanhoof> how can I solve that one? :)
[01:05] <thingfish> fidget: do /msg nickname message.  But it's rude to do it without asking first.
[01:05] <fidget> does anyone have a recomendation for a cheap linux laptop? I was looking at the ibooks ..but thats not looking so good anymore
[01:05] <mrknisely> Ok... I'll drop and be back.  Thanks.
[01:05] <iepa> underline
[01:05] <pvanhoof> root@lort:~ # usermod -G freax,video,audio -g freax freax
[01:05] <pvanhoof> root@lort:~ #
[01:05] <pvanhoof> this doesn't solve it
[01:06] <iepa> I have succeed!!!
[01:06] <iepa> finally!
[01:06] <lsuactiafner> chmod a+rwx /dev/dsp
[01:06] <iepa> I have gone to interfaces file, and changed it manually
[01:06] <iepa> thanks!!!
[01:06] <crimsun> pvanhoof: cat /proc/asound/cards
[01:07] <nickrud> lsuactiafner, I don't think that will survive a reboot
[01:07] <pvanhoof> It's smteall, paste it here? or on that paste websi
[01:07] <Riddell> SlicerDicer: that's update-manager, which runs for me, thought you wanted update-notifier which sits in the system tray
[01:07] <lsuactiafner> thanks KingArthur
[01:07] <pvanhoof> http://pastebin.ca/12556
[01:07] <lsuactiafner> marvell is cheapest
[01:07] <lsuactiafner> and i got an internal eth0 nic
[01:07] <lsuactiafner> works great
[01:07] <SlicerDicer> Riddell: I run eitehr they dont work right....
[01:07] <SlicerDicer> Riddell: its odd....
[01:08] <SlicerDicer> Riddell: I think it default uses command gksudo or soemthing so its not doing that and well...
[01:08] <pvanhoof> crimsun, but the user doesn't have permission to access the /dev/audio(dsp) and /dev/video0 devices
[01:08] <judari_> is there a howto on setting up network cards in ubuntu? It won't automatically detect two cards I've tried. One ISA on PCI. One was 3com, the other Intel..
[01:08] <mrknisely> crimsun:   Worked great!!!  Thanks for all your help!
[01:08] <lsuactiafner> nickrud : then echo "chmod a+rwx /dev/dsp" > /etc/inid.d/rc.local ; chmod +x /etc/inid.d/rc.local
[01:08] <pvanhoof> I'm guessing thats the cause
[01:08] <crimsun> mrknisely: np
[01:08] <nickrud> lsuactiafner, if I really wanted to do that, I'd pay someone to write me a udev rule :)
[01:08] <dooglus> how would I find out which package provides a given file in ubuntu?
[01:08] <pvanhoof> I just don't know how to get my user permission to use those devices
[01:08] <crimsun> dooglus: packages.ubuntu.com
[01:09] <nickrud> dooglus, packages.ubuntu.com
[01:09] <pvanhoof> since adding them to the group of those devices ain't working
[01:09] <crimsun> dooglus: or dpkg -S (but I recommend dlocate)
[01:09] <dooglus> there's no command I can run?
[01:09] <lsuactiafner> judari_ : can i paste something to you?
[01:09] <judari_> yes lsu..
[01:10] <dooglus> I'm new to ubuntu - just installed it today, then spent a few hours fixing the mess it made of my boot sector, but now it's working :)
[01:10] <pvanhoof> logging in again did it
[01:11] <lsuactiafner> anyone here have experience with the marvell wireless pci chipset?
[01:12] <dooglus> what's the command to start the 'shortwall' firewall after installing it?
[01:12] <SlicerDicer> Riddell: gksu was not installed that was the problem now to figure out how to get the icon of the updater to look good in kde :)
[01:12] <lsuactiafner> if in doubt dooglus..
[01:12] <lsuactiafner> updatedb ; locate -i shortwall
[01:13] <Curlydave> hey
[01:13] <lsuactiafner> and you will see a list of files that could help you identify the command
[01:13] <dooglus> lsuactiafner: it's in /etc/init.d/
[01:13] <Curlydave> does anyone here know if theres a seperate linux ece pack for ut2k4?
[01:13] <lsuactiafner> most of the time i would say locate package | grep bin
[01:13] <chase> hay, does anyone know a good sound editor package for ubuntu?
[01:13] <Riddell> SlicerDicer: you should file a report on bugzilla, it should have a dependency on gtsudo
[01:13] <nickrud> dooglus, before you start it, you'll have to configure it. There's one that only is open to ident in /usr/share/docs
[01:13] <lsuactiafner> but you should try locate | grep etc
[01:13] <dooglus> most distros use the "service" command to start and stop services, but it's not in my path on ubuntu
[01:13] <crimsun> chase: audacity
[01:13] <lsuactiafner> chances are /etc/init.d/shortwall start
[01:13] <lsuactiafner> just type /etc/init.d/shortwall
[01:13] <dooglus> nickrud: I've configured it already.  how do I start it?
[01:14] <dooglus> and how do I stop it?
[01:14] <lsuactiafner> and it should give you a list of options
[01:14] <dooglus> oh, i see.
[01:14] <nickrud> dooglus, invoce-rc.d, check the spelling
[01:14] <chase> thanks crimsun ill look into it
[01:14] <nickrud> invoke-rc.d
[01:14] <saber_> dvdrip is an awesome application... i can't believe i was trying to make things work at the command line... :)
[01:15] <lsuactiafner> saber_ : the command line is the best thing about linux
[01:16] <dooglus> nickrud: that's what I was looking for.  invoke-rc.d :)  think I'll alias it to "service" though :)
[01:16] <fidget> humm how do you refresh the desktop in terminal?
[01:16] <lsuactiafner> right now i'm in console, screw a stupid gui, mouses are slow
[01:16] <saber_> sure, but do you know how much i'd have to learn about video technology to get things working? dvdrip makes it really simple
[01:16] <lsuactiafner> fidget : control l
[01:16] <fidget> ah thanks much
[01:16] <lsuactiafner> would refresh most linux apps
[01:16] <nickrud> dooglus, be careful of scripts :)
[01:16] <lsuactiafner> saber_ : man mencoder
[01:16] <dooglus> nickrud: why?
[01:16] <lsuactiafner> its part of mplayer
[01:17] <phenotype> im having a bit of troubble with xmms...... it is freezing when i try to play mp3's  does xmms come with the proper codecs?
[01:17] <saber_> that's a lot of reading :) dvdrip takes all those steps out
[01:17] <lsuactiafner>        The same, but with bitrate set to 1800kBit and optimized macroblocks:
[01:17] <lsuactiafner>               mencoder dvd://2 -o title2.avi -oac copy -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:mbd=1:vbitrate=1800
[01:17] <lsuactiafner> if you need to know something type: man command
[01:17] <nickrud> dooglus, bad phrasing, the syntax is different, iirc, you'll need to watch your old ones. I got burned once :)
[01:17] <lsuactiafner> then goto end of manual and there would be most common used examples
[01:18] <nickrud> phenotype, I think you need to change the output to esd
[01:19] <phenotype> how do i do that
[01:19] <lsuactiafner> phenotype : options/preferances
[01:19] <lsuactiafner> you should be able to find that somewhere..
[01:19] <phenotype> ha
[01:19] <phenotype> thx
[01:20] <Kpjas> nickrud: OK custom keybinding now works for me although it took me some time to find the right options in gconf-editor
[01:20] <caonex> I just installed hoary and my internet seems to be somewhat fast; however, my browser, firefox, has never been this slow, I know it is fast that is why is shocking so I think there might be something wrong with the configuration
[01:20] <caonex> any ideas?
[01:20] <nickrud> Kpjas, yeah, that is a lot of folders :)
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> caonex : yeh
[01:21] <fidget> is there a version of aim that runs in terminal?
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> caonex : type about:config then max
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> change those max connections to something lower
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> i use 4
[01:21] <crimsun> fidget: centericq, naim
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> since running 24 connections to one server on a dailup is insane
[01:21] <crimsun> fidget: not to mention bitlbee
[01:21] <Blissex> fidget: there are various command line and ncurses IM apps. crimsun has mentioned some...
[01:21] <novaflare> hmm is it possible to create a entirly new menu useing smeg or other similar tool ?
[01:21] <fidget> ah thanks much crimsun
[01:21] <fidget> sorry for being so new =/
[01:22] <crimsun> no apology necessary
[01:22] <fidget> theres a linux user group that i'm looking into joining here
[01:22] <lsuactiafner> or caonex if you mean response speed from the browser itself, run it with nice -n -10 firefox from a terminal
[01:22] <lsuactiafner> but thats the evil way
[01:22] <estra> can somebody help me with my webcam????
[01:22] <caonex> hmm....you go to lsu? lsuactiafner
[01:23] <lsuactiafner> no
[01:23] <lsuactiafner> lsuactiafner is an anygram of lucifer/satan
[01:23] <lsuactiafner> anagram
[01:23] <lsuactiafner> hehehe
[01:23] <lsuactiafner> estra : ive tried to get two webcams working.. chances of you getting yours to work are small..
[01:24] <lsuactiafner> heh ubuntu should allow a user to configure a bridge if a user has more than 1 nic
[01:24] <barroso> i like to use ubuntu, anybody from brasil?
[01:24] <Rob2687> that would be a nice feature
[01:24] <caonex> lsuactiafner, what do you mean by max, there are many matches?
[01:25] <barroso> i like to use ubuntu, anybody from brasil?
[01:25] <lsuactiafner> caonex : where you type in urls type about:config
[01:25] <lsuactiafner> then a tab would open that will allow you to change settings
[01:25] <^thehatsrule^> barroso #ubuntu-br and ubuntu-br.org ?
[01:25] <caonex> lsuactiafner, i know that part
[01:25] <lsuactiafner> type max in the search box
[01:25] <barroso> i like to use ubuntu, anybody from brasil?
[01:25] <lsuactiafner> and you will see max connections settings
[01:25] <caonex> lsuactiafner, i did all that already when i typed that i got like 5 matches
[01:25] <caonex> lsuactiafner, so i was wondering which one?
[01:25] <barroso> i like to use ubuntu, anybody from brasil? pvt-me
[01:26] <lsuactiafner> network.http.max-connections
[01:26] <^thehatsrule^> lo novaflare ;p
[01:26] <Lafitte-> anyone can help me with something   i need to re-setup my video     how do i get to the setup again ?
[01:26] <lsuactiafner> network.http.max-connections-per-server i would make 1 less than network.http.max-connections
[01:26] <Lafitte-> require a full install again ?
[01:26] <barroso> i like to use ubuntu, anybody from brasil? pvt-me
[01:26] <lsuactiafner> on my dailup i prefer no more than 4 connections
[01:27] <estra> somebody experience with sn9c102 driverrrrr
[01:27] <lsuactiafner> Lafitte- : linux/ubuntu aint windows
[01:27] <count0nz> estra, What webcam are you trying to use ?
[01:27] <lsuactiafner> you NEVER need to reinstall it
[01:27] <lsuactiafner> re-setup your video? you mean your display?
[01:27] <barroso> is anybody using ubuntu linux? i am from brasil.
[01:27] <phenotype> is ESD= eSound output in xmms?
[01:27] <Lafitte-> lsuactiafner,  sorry   trying to get video working  its HUGE  an dlow rez
[01:27] <nickrud> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto Lafitte-
[01:27] <crimsun> phenotype: esd is a sound server; xmms does have an esd output
[01:27] <fishie> barroso : im using ubuntu :)
[01:27] <barroso> is anybody using ubuntu linux? i am from brasil.
[01:28] <Lafitte-> i need to setup res for screen  and all that biz
[01:28] <Rob2687> i think its a bot
[01:28] <estra> sweex
[01:28] <estra> count0z
[01:28] <barroso> hello
[01:28] <lsuactiafner> Lafitte- : you aint making much sense to me but run xorgconfig
[01:28] <phenotype> crimsun how would i enable esd
[01:28] <count0nz> estra, never heard of it before :(
[01:28] <lsuactiafner> or edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:28] <lsuactiafner> by hand
[01:28] <crimsun> phenotype: it's enabled by default in Ubuntu
[01:28] <lsuactiafner> i prefer to setup /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand
[01:28] <andrewski> if i want to move my ubuntu installation from one hard drive to another, are there any files i should except or any other things i should keep in mind?
[01:28] <estra> hmmm, it has a sonix chipset
[01:28] <crimsun> phenotype: unless you're referring to xmms?
[01:29] <phenotype> yes i am
[01:29] <estra> so i'am sure it's is the right driver
[01:29] <estra> for it
[01:29] <phenotype> because xmms is freezeing
[01:29] <crimsun> phenotype: choose the esound output
[01:29] <robertj> once you edit xorg it wont autoconfigure it for you anymore
[01:29] <lsuactiafner>         HorizSync       31.5 - 82.0
[01:29] <lsuactiafner>         VertRefresh     50-100
[01:29] <phenotype> ok
[01:29] <phenotype> thx
[01:29] <lsuactiafner> that you might want to edit
[01:29] <crimsun> andrewski: you may have to adapt /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:29] <dooglus> so I installed 'emacs' using the synaptic package manager.  is an icon supposed to be added to the applications menu?  or do I need to reboot?
[01:29] <Lafitte-> lsuactiafner,   i dont get any responce from that command   i think  bad install
[01:29] <andrewski> crimsun: well, yes. ;)  i took that as a given.
[01:29] <lsuactiafner> andrewski anything in /etc /home /root you want to save
[01:29] <Lafitte-> lsuactiafner,  im going to reinstall
[01:29] <lsuactiafner> and maybe /var/cache/apt/archives
[01:30] <count0nz> estra, i have a Logitech Quickcam thats working great i havent came across your cam/chipset before so can't shead much light sorry
[01:30] <lsuactiafner> Lafitte- : i REALLY doubt your install didnt work
[01:30] <lsuactiafner> its NOT windows
[01:30] <lsuactiafner> in windows you reinstall to fix problems, not linux
[01:30] <Rob2687> lol
[01:30] <Lafitte-> lsuactiafner, ok   heheh   thanks     been installed 3 times  this first time i seen this    so something glitched
[01:31] <estra> count0nz, i have also installed a logitech quickcam express cam with the spcaxx driver, is works very well
[01:31] <andrewski> crimsun: what about /dev?
[01:31] <crimsun> andrewski: that's created on the fly with udev, remember?
[01:31] <count0nz> esher, :) kewl :)
[01:31] <estra> with this cam i don't understand it
[01:31] <lsuactiafner> Lafitte- : just fix whats wrong manually, you dont need to reinstall a whole system becuase of one problem
[01:31] <estra> the driver is loaded
[01:31] <robertj> btw, where is the place to go order Ubuntu t-shirts/polos
[01:31] <angel12> hey, i just tried to install warty on my amd64 laptop with an ati graphics card, and when install is done it tries to start x, but i get a message saying to check the log, there is no message in the log though, any help?
[01:31] <lsuactiafner> estra : usb cam? lsusb
[01:31] <andrewski> crimsun: hmm, yes.  haven't really paid much attention since the switch (when i was on gentoo).  should i just create a blank dir on the target partition?
[01:32] <Lafitte-> lsuactiafner,  yeah  but i cant fix config file    nop such command there
[01:32] <lsuactiafner> angel12 : install the driver for your card
[01:32] <phenotype> thank you for the help with xmms everyone... problem fixed
[01:32] <angel12> lsuactiafner, how would i do that via command line? its an ati card
[01:32] <crimsun> andrewski: yep
[01:32] <andrewski> crimsun: good deal; thanks.
[01:32] <lsuactiafner> angel12 : heh ubuntu didnt make it easy to browse without a GUI in the console
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> but you know how links work?
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> or apt-get..
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> not sure i got a nvidia
[01:33] <angel12> lsuactiafner, yeah i use links a bit on gentoo, but actually, how would i upgrade from warty to hoary through commandline?
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> angel12 : run lspci and do not paste me or anyone the output
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> then links google.com
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> and find support from ati for a linux driver
[01:34] <lsuactiafner> heh actually no idea, i dont really use ubuntu
[01:34] <Rob2687> ati people can use fglrx i think
[01:34] <lsuactiafner> right now i have a gentoo/slackware/ubuntu hybrid going on..
[01:35] <angel12> how would i upgrade warty to hoary through the command line? i know i have to change the apt sources, but where is that file?
[01:35] <Rob2687> /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:35] <frank> angel12, change /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:36] <SlicerDicer> argh does anybody know how to make it so update notifier does not look like ass in kicker?
[01:36] <Seveas> angel12: One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[01:36] <lsuactiafner> angel12 : /etc/somewhere_whatever has about everything
[01:37] <lsuactiafner> heh i really dont want to upgrade anything
[01:37] <lsuactiafner> spent weeks downloadin a few hundred development packages and now there is a new version almost out
[01:38] <lsuactiafner> am very upset about!!!! (:
[01:38] <angel12> thanks, hopefully see you guys in ubuntu in a bit
[01:38] <lsuactiafner> you gonna see me in my bed in a bit
[01:38] <lsuactiafner> gnight
[01:38] <pepsi> will breezy startup x today?
[01:39] <Curlydave> hey
[01:39] <Curlydave> does anyone knwo anything about the ut2k4 ece bonus pack?
[01:41] <Curlydave> hey
[01:41] <Curlydave> does anyone know how to install the ece bonus pack ofr UT2k4
[01:42] <revtex> hey guys, have a question... I have a USB hard drive that auto mounts under gnome... but it only sets it up with read and exec permissions.. I want to be able t write to it.. how do I get it to auto mount with write permissions?
[01:42] <SlicerDicer> is anybody aware of a way to make kubuntu not have update notifier look like ass in kicker? I am trying to figure out why its got this nasty grey box that is horrid elongated and makes my transparent kicker just look well dumb
[01:43] <Riddell> SlicerDicer: I'd guess that gnome doesn't do transparancy on it's panel, or if it doesn't they don't talk to each other about it.
[01:43] <Riddell> SlicerDicer: poke me and I'll write an update-notifier for KDE
[01:43] <SlicerDicer> heh
[01:43] <nickrud> SlicerDicer, gnome-panel does do transparency, just not all the icons
[01:43] <SlicerDicer> It just looks terrible.....
[01:44] <SlicerDicer> I will snag a screenshot :/
[01:44] <wallflower> I added a new user in ubuntu why is it allowed to 'su' ?
[01:44] <wallflower> to root I mean
[01:44] <LinuxJones> wallflower, because you enabled the root account
[01:44] <Riddell> wallflower: anyone can su if they have the password
[01:45] <wallflower> oh i thought most distros disabled root access only to wheel users
[01:45] <count0nz> i thourt you had to be in wheel to su
[01:45] <wallflower> Er looks like there isnt a wheel group in ubuntu
[01:46] <htaccess> i get "kernel: smbfs: mount_data version 1919251317 is not supported" in syslog when trying to mount a samba share, any ideas?
[01:47] <SlicerDicer> Riddell: if you nano /etc/group and remove that user from admin no su should be allowed correct? I dont know I tried to find the most likely equivelent to wheel in gentoo and that only makes sense
[01:47] <phenotype> what
[01:48] <phenotype> whats the command to mount a floppy (its on dev/fd0)
[01:48] <geppy> I want to modify my keyboard map for Gnome;  where can I build new layouts?
[01:48] <geppy> phenotype: mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[01:48] <Riddell> SlicerDicer: sudo won't be allowed, su will
[01:48] <phenotype> thx
[01:48] <wallflower> how can you check if a package has an update available without updating?
[01:48] <novaflare> so any one know if its possible to add say a games menu to ubuntu next to say applications. So it would look like this applications games places system?
[01:48] <geppy> wallflower: apt-cache policy foo
[01:49] <SlicerDicer> Riddell: hmm ok
[01:49] <SlicerDicer> no matter for me nobody touches my computers or they get hit over the head with a baseball bat :P
[01:50] <wallflower> how can i update a specific package? apt-get upgrade seems to want to upgrade all of them
[01:50] <paxmaster> hello is netgear wireless card does itt work with ubuntu
[01:50] <geppy> wallflower: sudo apt-get install foo
[01:51] <SlicerDicer-> http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/updatenotifer.png check that out Riddell thats the terrible looking update-notifier
[01:51] <geppy> paxmaster: google for ndiswrapper
[01:51] <revtex> hey guys, have a question... I have a USB hard drive that auto mounts under gnome... but it only sets it up with read and exec permissions.. I want to be able t write to it.. how do I get it to auto mount with write permissions?
[01:52] <wallflower> why isn't there a new firefox package?
[01:52] <geppy> wallflower: because there isn't
[01:52] <Dave2|Laptop> Because fixes are backported
[01:52] <geppy> and backports suck
[01:52] <paxmaster> ok what wireless card work with ubuntu out of the box
[01:52] <Dave2|Laptop> Ubuntu's 1.0.2 has all of the security patches applied
[01:52] <wallflower> by 2 versions? firefox is on 1.0.4 and its still using1.0.2
[01:52] <SlicerDicer-> Riddell, did you check that image?
[01:52] <sysrq> 1.0.4 is in breezy
[01:52] <wallflower> dave2: ok
[01:52] <geppy> wallflower: Oh, that's cool.
[01:53] <Shuddertrix> wallflower: Check out the About panel, it says that it's 1.0.4 ;)
[01:53] <nickrud> wallflower, however much firefox is changed, the number will not change
[01:53] <Shuddertrix> unless it's firefox-2.0 or something?
[01:53] <Shuddertrix> well, actually, more like 1.1 i bet..
[01:54] <wallflower> shudder mine still says 1.0.2
[01:54] <wallflower> in the about panel...
[01:54] <Shuddertrix> Odd.
[01:54] <geppy> wallflower: Try restarting firefox?
[01:54] <novaflare> mine says that as well
[01:54] <phenotype> how do i copy a file to a floppy (telling me i dont have permission, but not asking for root pass)
[01:54] <Shuddertrix> Wait a second..
[01:54] <geppy> hmm, mine does, as well
[01:54] <Shuddertrix> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050513 Firefox/1.0.4 (Ubuntu package 1.0.4~5.04ubp1+1.0.2)
[01:55] <geppy> Shuddertrix: Are you in breezy?
[01:55] <Shuddertrix> No
[01:55] <geppy> Shuddertrix: weird.  Backports?
[01:55] <Shuddertrix> Probably something in universe/multiverse/whatever?
[01:56] <geppy> Shuddertrix: Probably.
[01:56] <Shuddertrix> Yeah
[01:57] <Shuddertrix> 1.0.4~5.04ubp1+1.0.2-0ubuntu1(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp2.caliu.info_backports_dists_hoary-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages)(/var/lib/dpkg/status)
[01:57] <Shuddertrix> 1.0.4 is in backports..
[01:57] <geppy> heh
[01:57] <Shuddertrix> I think
[01:57] <karamelos> Hi, does ubuntu use the xorg xserver?
[01:57] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[01:57] <Shuddertrix> Yeah
[01:57] <nickrud> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050512 Firefox/1.0 (Ubuntu package 1.0.2)
[01:57] <Seveas> karamelos, since ubuntu 5.04
[01:57] <karamelos> how can I enable menu shadows and transparency?
[01:58] <crimsun> omg
[01:58] <crimsun> that is an incredibly horribly version string
[01:58] <crimsun> horrible
[01:58] <goldfish> get xcompmgr and transset
[01:58] <revtex> hey guys, have a question... I have a USB hard drive that auto mounts under gnome... but it only sets it up with read and exec permissions.. I want to be able t write to it.. how do I get it to auto mount with write permissions?
[01:58] <goldfish> revtex: what filesystem is on it?
[01:58] <geppy> revtex: Perhaps make an autofs rule?
[01:59] <revtex> goldfish, you know what.. I beleave its NTFS.. if thats the case I suck.. sorry :oP
[01:59] <wallflower> can't `apt-get install sshd` ?
[01:59] <Lafitte-> how do i install the 686 kernel in ubuntu ?
[01:59] <Seveas> wallflower, openssh-server
[01:59] <Seveas> Lafitte-, apt-get install linux-686
[01:59] <geppy> revtex: Don't write to NTFS.
[02:00] <Lafitte-> Seveas,  there is none ?
[02:00] <SlicerDicer-> Seveas, are you aware of any update notifier for kde that does not look really dumb?
[02:00] <revtex> geppy, I know... I just forgot it was formated in NTFS
[02:00] <goldfish> revtex: :)
[02:00] <Seveas> Lafitte-, linux-686 will give you the 686 kernel
[02:00] <geppy> revtex: heh =)
[02:00] <Seveas> SlicerDicer-, i do not use KDE
[02:00] <wallflower> why is it asking for my ubuntu cd to install openssh-server? and not net-installing it?
[02:00] <SlicerDicer-> Seveas, fair enough
[02:00] <Lafitte-> Seveas,  cant install from cd  that way ?
[02:00] <phenotype> whats the problem with writing to ntfs?
[02:00] <Seveas> Lafitte-, no
[02:01] <Seveas> the CD only has the 386 kernel due to size limitations
[02:01] <Lafitte-> sev
[02:01] <Lafitte-> Seveas,   ok
[02:01] <htaccess> should ubuntu be able to mount smaba shares out of the box? i dont seem to have /sbin/mount.smbfs which according to debian resides in the smbfs package, which i dont seem to have installed
[02:01] <Seveas> phenotype, that it is not possible with standard drivers
[02:01] <phenotype> ok
[02:01] <Lafitte-> i just compared  ubuntu to sarge install
[02:01] <Seveas> phenotype, you can use captive ntfs (horror to compile_ or expensive commercial tools
[02:01] <Guerin> phenotype: ntfs is a complicated proprietary filesystem for which specifications have not been released. It's something of a miracle that ay free software can READ from it, let along write to it.
[02:01] <Lafitte-> sarge so lame and out of date  its not funny
[02:01] <phenotype> guess taht solved my problem too
[02:01] <Seveas> htaccess, apt-get install smbfs
[02:02] <Lafitte-> absolutly no effort has been put into there installer
[02:02] <Guerin> Lafitte-: you're so full of shit.
[02:02] <Shuddertrix> So, say I wanted linux-image-2.6.11-1-k7, would apt configure it correctly?
[02:02] <Seveas> Guerin, language please..
[02:02] <Seveas> Shuddertrix, yes
[02:02] <Guerin> Seveas: English. Thanks.
[02:02] <Guerin> oh
[02:02] <Lafitte-> Guerin,  dont tell me that        i havent done anything to you
[02:02] <Guerin> i'm in the wrong channel
[02:02] <Seveas> but 2.6.11 is broken and unsupported
[02:02] <Guerin> my bad :)
[02:02] <Shuddertrix> Oh, it's broke in ubuntu?
[02:03] <Lafitte-> Guerin,  Ubuntu blows sarge away  as far as works on install
[02:03] <AristoMagnus> Hi all, I want to know how to recompile my kernel to add DMA support on my box, can you tell me why i got (for amd64) 2.6.10 and on apt i only have 2.4 for kernel-source
[02:03] <htaccess> Seveas, yea, im doing that, i was just curious it was not done by default
[02:03] <Guerin> Lafitte-: well, since the ubuntu installer IS the sarge installer, i say again that you're dead wrong.
[02:03] <crimsun> AristoMagnus: linux-tree-2.6.10?
[02:03] <thenewlax> yo how would i unistall a game?
[02:03] <Seveas> AristoMagnus, there is DMA support in the standard kernel
[02:03] <Lafitte-> Guerin,  it is not the sarge installer  it was the sarge installer
[02:03] <Shuddertrix> Oh well, then it's 2.6.10-k7 for me.
[02:03] <phenotype> is there the same problem writing to dos?
[02:03] <Seveas> thenewlax, sudo aptitode purge <name of the package>
[02:04] <Lafitte-> Guerin,  not sure what you are defending
[02:04] <AristoMagnus> Seveas, infortunately, its Disable when i type hdparm /dev/hda
[02:04] <thenewlax> thanks
[02:04] <Seveas> phenotype, writing to fat16/fat32 is supported
[02:04] <AristoMagnus> crimsun, the kernel version is 2.6.10
[02:04] <Seveas> AristoMagnus, you need to use drivers specific for your mobo
[02:04] <crimsun> AristoMagnus: yes, and the source you need is in linux-tree-2.6.10
[02:04] <AristoMagnus> Seveas, I know,
[02:04] <Seveas> AristoMagnus, probably your mobo is not completely recognized and ide_generic is used
[02:04] <Shuddertrix> Would I have to remove linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 then?
[02:04] <AristoMagnus> crimsun, where?
[02:04] <Seveas> ide_generic cannot support DMA
[02:04] <malign-traps> Greetings, all.  I have a DMA question as well.   I'm trying to figure out why my new Dell (fast, lots of memory) won't play DVDs (totem or mplayer) without skipping as if it's bogged down in IO.
[02:04] <Fackamato> AristoMagnus: enable it in /etc/hdparm.conf .
[02:04] <crimsun> AristoMagnus: in main
[02:04] <Guerin> Lafitte-: ' absolutly no effort has been put into there installer' <-- since it was rewritten from the ground up, and then used in both debian and ubuntu, I can't see how this statement is defensible.
[02:05] <Fackamato> malign-traps: enable dma for all devices
[02:05] <AristoMagnus> Fackamato, without recompiling the kernel?
[02:05] <phenotype> seveas  i assume ubuntu uses fat 32 for the floppy formatter?
[02:05] <Seveas> phenotype, no
[02:05] <AristoMagnus> crimsun, what main
[02:05] <CarlK> dma answer is under #8 on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:05] <Seveas> floppys cannot use fat32
[02:05] <Fackamato> AristoMagnus: of course, why would you recompile the kernel?
[02:05] <phenotype> 16?
[02:05] <Seveas> they use fat16
[02:05] <malign-traps> I'm trying to benchmark my DVD drive, so will a few of you who have working DVD players tell me what hdparm -iI says for speeds for your DVD drive?
[02:05] <phenotype> k
[02:05] <Seveas> (iirc)
[02:05] <Fackamato> malign-traps: enable DMA and try again.
[02:05] <Lafitte-> Guerin,   go play with yourself  dude    you have no life  to worry about my statement
[02:06] <malign-traps> Fackamato, by default, it is set.  UDMA2.
[02:06] <Guerin> Lafitte-: would you rather insult me, or actually come back with something to support your utterly false and wildy uneducated statement?
[02:06] <Fackamato> malign-traps: then it's probably not the dvd drives fault
[02:06] <phenotype> seavas having troubble writing to a floppy (dont have permissions) but not asking for root pass
[02:06] <phenotype> suggestions
[02:06] <Fackamato> since a normal dvd movie is under 10mbit (audio AND video)
[02:06] <saber_> Anyone know where I can get export_mpeg2enc.so / export_mp3enc.so ?
[02:06] <Fackamato> per second
[02:06] <Seveas> malign-traps, http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/50 <-- my dvd
[02:07] <AristoMagnus> Fackamato, cuz I want to implement the right mother board driver, for Marvell, and I want my DMA not to be a Module
[02:07] <Shuddertrix> If I was installing linux-image-2.6.10-5-k7, would I need to remove the -386 version or would it just take over?
[02:07] <malign-traps> Fackamato, Thanks.  That's what I'm trying to figure out what's normal.  Do you have a DVD drive to tell me about?
[02:07] <malign-traps> ^what^why
[02:07] <Seveas> Shuddertrix, you would be able to use both and choose at boot time
[02:07] <novaflare> hey on these games in gnome like iagno for example how would one go about finding some one to play against on a remote serve. Also what ports need be fowarded if any
[02:07] <Shuddertrix> Seveas: So if I just wanted -k7, would I have to remove it then?
[02:08] <Seveas> you can remove it then, but you do not have to :)
[02:08] <phenotype> how do i get write permissions to a floppy?
[02:08] <Seveas> phenotype, mount it rw and with the correct uid
[02:08] <Lafitte-> Guerin,  what does my education have to do with the fact that sarge install doesnt work and ubntu does ?   please dude   if you are educated  then  you must have wasted alot of money     now  i block you and your ignorance
[02:08] <Shuddertrix> What about all the dependencies?
[02:08] <phenotype> ive mounted it
[02:08] <phenotype> how do i do the other stuff
[02:08] <Shuddertrix> Most worried about linux-restricted-modules-386
[02:08] <CarlK> Guerin, Lafitte... do either of you need help?
[02:09] <Seveas> Shuddertrix, if you use debfoster to prune it, all otherwise unneeded dependencies will go away with it
[02:09] <Guerin> CarlK: i think Lafitte- does.
[02:09] <Lafitte-> sorry to everyone for that   he is blocked  i wont respond to him now
[02:09] <CarlK> Guerin - do you need help?
[02:09] <Seveas> phenotype, there is a line in /etc/fstab for the floppy, so you can mount it as ordinary user
[02:09] <Shuddertrix> Wait.. doh
[02:09] <Curlydave> hey, does anyone here have ut2k4?
[02:09] <Shuddertrix> I got it, thanks
[02:09] <Seveas> no need to do other tricks
[02:09] <Guerin> Nope.
[02:09] <CarlK> Lafitte-  good plan.
[02:09] <karamelos> I want to add ubuntu apt sources to my Debian system. Where can I find the server addresses?
[02:09] <malign-traps> Seveas, Thanks.  Do you mind running hdparm with "-tT" ?
[02:10] <AristoMagnus> someone can tell me why i cannot download the kernel source 2.6.* from apt
[02:10] <floo> I just compiled a vanilla kernel for ubuntua and now i can't get the nvidia driver to work --help
[02:10] <Shuddertrix> I forgot that all the packages have the -k7 versions also ;)
[02:10] <Musagetes> I have a Creative MuVo TX mp3 player, but when I plug it into the computer I can't seem to find its location ... Does anyone know where it's supposed to be?
[02:10] <AristoMagnus> floo, apt-get install nvidia-glx
[02:10] <count0nz> mine sucks :)
[02:10] <count0nz> /dev/hda:
[02:10] <count0nz>  Timing cached reads:   388 MB in  2.00 seconds = 193.55 MB/sec
[02:10] <count0nz>  Timing buffered disk reads:   48 MB in  3.03 seconds =  15.82 MB/sec
[02:10] <Lafitte-> CarlK, :)      seriously  sorry   i installed both of those setups  the sarge doesnt work with centrino  like ubuntu  and hasnt for 2 years now     very sad is whati said
[02:10] <floo> I know i tried that
[02:10] <biovore> cat /proc/scsi/devices
[02:11] <CarlK> Shuddertrix - did you try the.. yeah, that: nvidia-glx
[02:11] <AristoMagnus> floo,  did you change nv driver name for nvidia in xorg.conf
[02:11] <floo> it just doesn't install, something BOUT BAD KERNEL VERSION OR SOMETHING
[02:11] <biovore> (device_info)
[02:11] <HrdwrBoB> floo: did it say it just like that in capitals ?
[02:11] <AristoMagnus> floo, and also comment the DRI driver
[02:11] <Shuddertrix> Now, will I have to reinstall nvidia-glx or will it automagically work with the -k7?
[02:11] <floo> yes edited xorg
[02:11] <Seveas> malign-traps, i have no dvd disc at hand so i cannot do that now, sorry
[02:11] <HrdwrBoB> floo: I have a recommendation for you - use the ubuntu kernel.
[02:11] <frank> Shuddertrix, you have to reinstall nvdia i think
[02:11] <AristoMagnus> HrdwrBoB, why?
[02:11] <Shuddertrix> Wait.. nevermind that question ;)
[02:12] <floo> tried to install binary driver from nvidia .com but that said something about libgls.so was missing
[02:12] <Seveas> Shuddertrix, if you install the linux-k7 metapackage the restr. modules will be dragged in too
[02:12] <HrdwrBoB> AristoMagnus: because a) it works
[02:12] <malign-traps> count0nz, Thanks.
[02:12] <AristoMagnus> HrdwrBoB, no ot doesnt for me
[02:12] <Seveas> floo, do NOT use the binary from nvidia.com
[02:12] <karamelos> what servers does the new version contiain in sources.list ?
[02:12] <HrdwrBoB> b) someone has already been there and done that to make it work
[02:12] <Seveas> floo, use linux-restricted-modules from ubuntu
[02:12] <HrdwrBoB> AristoMagnus: then don't use it
[02:12] <Shuddertrix> Yeah, i'm quite the newb when it comes to how apt works
[02:12] <HrdwrBoB> AristoMagnus: for the vast majority of people
[02:12] <AristoMagnus> HrdwrBoB, I need the DMA support enable, and i dont think ubuntu know the chipset via and marvel of my mother board
[02:12] <floo> right serveas, thnks
[02:12] <HrdwrBoB> you won't need another kernel
[02:12] <count0nz> malign-traps, np
[02:13] <floo> looks like I'm gonna have to reinstall
[02:13] <mattlins> I am trying to run a .bin file but get permission denied, so I tried sudo ./somefile.bin and then I get command not found.  What do I do?
[02:13] <Curlydave> hey
[02:13] <HrdwrBoB> mattlins: chmod +x foo.bin
[02:13] <Curlydave> does anyone here know how to minimize full-screen apps?
[02:13] <frank> mattlins, chmod 755 file.bin to make it executable
[02:13] <phenotype> seveas how do i edit fstab (read only)
[02:13] <Curlydave> alt-tabbing's not working
[02:13] <Seveas> phenotype, sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[02:13] <biovore> Curlydave: what app?
[02:14] <phenotype> k
[02:14] <Curlydave> Biovore, anything
[02:14] <Seveas> mattlins, are youn installing java?
[02:14] <Curlydave> ut2k4 for example
[02:14] <Curlydave> alt-tab in linux
[02:14] <benkong2> hello all
[02:14] <Curlydave> hi
[02:14] <biovore> UT2k4 alt-enter works
[02:14] <biovore> but it gets stuck
[02:15] <benkong2> I went to get an extension for mozilla-firefox and it says I need to upgrade to 1.04 ubuntu repositories do not have that version. What can I do?
[02:15] <Seveas> benkong2: in about.config, set general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4
[02:15] <Curlydave> biovore, i'll try that
[02:15] <angel12> does anyone use a synaptics touchpad with woary
[02:15] <Curlydave> biovore, you know aobut ut2k4?
[02:15] <biovore> yup, UT2k4 TDM ladder player
[02:15] <Curlydave> biovore, do you know how to install the ece pack? all i can find is an exe wihch onw't run
[02:15] <benkong2> Seveas; about.config in firefox?
[02:15] <Curlydave> nice
[02:15] <frank> woary... thats a new one!
[02:15] <biovore> Linux
[02:16] <Seveas> benkong2, yes
[02:16] <benkong2> Seveas; k
[02:16] <Curlydave> biovore, i have the linux patch, is there a special linux ece? I can't get it
[02:16] <angel12> does anyone use a synaptics touchpad with warty, lol, my bad
[02:16] <Shuddertrix> benkong2: about:config > Search for "general.useragent.vendorSub" > Click on it > Change "1.0" to "1.0.4"
[02:16] <biovore> ece I think you can just run unzip on the exe
[02:17] <benkong2> Shuddertrix; whoa...I have no about.config
[02:17] <biovore> there might be a linux version, I don't remember..
[02:17] <paxmaster>  what wireless card work with ubuntu out of the box
[02:17] <Shuddertrix> It's about:config
[02:17] <frank> benkong2, about:config
[02:17] <Shuddertrix> There's a colon in there
[02:17] <mattlins> Ok I guess this is not a bin file.  I'm trying to run netbeans.  It put a launcher in my Applications/Programming drawer, but when I try to run it I get permission denied.  What's going on?
[02:17] <benkong2> ok where is that file located?
[02:17] <Shuddertrix> Just type it in Firefox
[02:18] <mattlins> /usr/lib/netbeans/bin
[02:18] <benkong2> sorry new install
[02:18] <Curlydave> biovore, ty i'll try that
[02:18] <frank> benkong2, you write that in thje location bar
[02:18] <biovore> depends on how you installed the java devel kit..
[02:18] <benkong2> k
[02:18] <AristoMagnus> crimsun AristoMagnus: yes, and the source you need is in linux-tree-2.6.10 (---- where is that
[02:18] <benkong2> kool
[02:18] <Shuddertrix> Grub set itself up. I hope it works!
[02:19] <mattlins> were you guys talking to me or not?
[02:19] <Curlydave> biovore,  i think that worked, but i don't know where the files went
[02:19] <Curlydave> biovore it inflated but i see no files
[02:19] <biovore> the unzip?
[02:19] <Curlydave> yea
[02:20] <Curlydave> did they go in the ut2k4 directory?
[02:20] <biovore> you see some directories like System
[02:20] <biovore> or Textures
[02:20] <geppy> Where can I change my Gnome keyboard layout?  I would like to implement a half-keyboard.
[02:20] <Curlydave> not in the folder the pack was in
[02:20] <benkong2> frank;  Is this just a work around for firefox?
[02:21] <Musagetes> I have a Creative MuVo TX mp3 player, but when I plug it into the computer I can't seem to find its location ... Does anyone know where it's supposed to be?
[02:22] <crimsun> AristoMagnus: the package is in main
[02:22] <nickrud> geppy, you can do some things in preferences-keyboard, otherwise you'll need xmodmap or /etc/X11/xkb
[02:22] <Curlydave> biovore, i opened it with arch man now and it's making a gz file so i'm good i think
[02:22] <geppy> nickrud: You can't do this in preferences-keyboard, and implementing a half-keyboard needs more than just xmodmap :-/
[02:22] <Curlydave> biovore,  shit nvm that just zipped the file
[02:22] <mattlins> Could you guys help?  When I click on the menu item for Netbeans I get this : "Details: Failed to execute child process "/usr/lib/Netbeans/bin/netbeans" (Permission denied)"
[02:22] <Shuddertrix> ooh, it works, i didn't screw up my system. joy.
[02:22] <biovore> ok..  I can't remember how it suppose to work.. I think there might tar.gz file out there too...
[02:23] <nickrud> geppy, I wondered about that, so I thru in the thing I'm not modifying for my keyboard :)
[02:23] <geppy> nickrud:  haha
[02:23] <frank> benkong2, the version thing? I don't really know anything about that
[02:23] <Curlydave> biovore,  how did you do it?
[02:23] <CarlK> mattlins - are you trying to install java?
[02:24] <mattlins> CarlK : I already installed java and netbeans.. I am just trying to run netbeans
[02:24] <benkong2> frank; ok thanks it worked just the same
[02:24] <AristoMagnus> crimsun, main what!! lol ;)
[02:24] <CarlK> mattlins - k - not sure how to help then
[02:24] <AristoMagnus> im new to ubuntu
[02:24] <crimsun> AristoMagnus: the main repository
[02:24] <biovore> I don't have it install here I don't think..
[02:25] <biovore> but I know there is a way.... trying to remember how..
[02:25] <geppy> *sigh*
[02:25] <Curlydave> biovore, hmm, yea apparenlty becasue you need it before the patch in the linux version or it fucsk up
[02:25] <biovore> ok there is a tar.gz version..  :-)
[02:25] <biovore> http://www.3dgamers.com/games/unrealtourn2k4/downloads/
[02:26] <Curlydave> biovore, much luv for you
[02:26] <nqt> can anyone recommend a good wireless adapter (PCI or USB) from first-hand experience?
[02:27] <Curlydave> uhoh no servers though
[02:27] <AristoMagnus> crimsun, im a gentoo user, i dont really know what your talking about
[02:27] <Curlydave> i'll google the file name though
[02:27] <AristoMagnus> crimsun, im trying apt-cache search kernel-source
[02:27] <biovore> yeah, its peak download time..
[02:27] <crimsun> AristoMagnus: no, linux
[02:27] <andrewski> nqt: netgear cards
[02:27] <crimsun> AristoMagnus: linux-foo is what Ubuntu uses. kernel-foo is what Debian uses.
[02:28] <nqt> andrewski, any in particular, readily available from bestbuy or something?
[02:28] <AristoMagnus> crimsun, and what is the difference
[02:28] <andrewski> nqt: i got a wg311 about 17 months ago. :)
[02:28] <mattlins> Anybody know why I get 'permission denied' when trying to execute Netbeans?
[02:28] <crimsun> AristoMagnus: naming, of course. You'd search for linux, not kernel.
[02:28] <nqt> andrewski, is it prism54?
[02:28] <andrewski> nqt: atheros.
[02:28] <CarlK> andrewski - pci ?  and do you know if it can pxe netboot?
[02:29] <andrewski> CarlK: pci, and i don't know.
[02:29] <biovore> ls -al the file mattlins..
[02:29] <biovore> whats the permissions?
[02:29] <mattlins> ok
[02:29] <joe|code> can anyone tell me how to add the gnome menu to the kde taskbar?
[02:30] <mattlins> biovore: -rw-r--r--  1 root root 2456 2005-05-24 19:21 netbeans
[02:30] <biovore> well that would explain it..
[02:30] <mattlins> how do I change it?
[02:30] <Riddell> joe|code: gnome programs will show up in the k-menu
[02:30] <biovore> as root...
[02:30] <SlicerDicer-> how do you use a .deb?
[02:30] <mattlins> and to what?
[02:30] <biovore> chmod +x netbeans
[02:30] <biovore> not executable by all
[02:30] <biovore> only root and exec the file.
[02:30] <mattlins> i tried that
[02:31] <biovore> sudo chmod 777 <path>/netbeans
[02:32] <AristoMagnus> crimsun, so i need to search apt-cache search linux-source
[02:32] <crimsun> AristoMagnus: I gave you the name of the package you need to install (linux-tree-2.6.10)
[02:32] <mattlins> bivore: after I did sudo chmod 777 and then ./netbeans I get "./netbeans: line 84: ./../platform5/lib/nbexec: Permission denied
[02:32] <mattlins> "
[02:32] <biovore> ok..
[02:32] <biovore> where you install JDK to?
[02:32] <biovore> your home?
[02:32] <mattlins> yah
[02:32] <biovore> ok..
[02:32] <mattlins> I just ran another java program and it worked fine
[02:33] <AristoMagnus> crimsun, Oh, ok ;)(
[02:33] <mattlins> I used blackdown's jdk
[02:33] <AristoMagnus> thnks
[02:33] <biovore> chown username.usergroup /home/username/java(something)
[02:33] <biovore> chown username.usergroup /home/username/java(something) -R
[02:33] <AristoMagnus> crimsun, is this the source or the bin of the kernel
[02:33] <karamelos> usa ubuntu el archivo sources.list?
[02:34] <andrewski> karamelos: si
[02:34] <biovore> us.archives.ubuntu.org I belive
[02:34] <Curlydave> hey, does anyone here know how to get GRUB to boot into windows right?
[02:34] <karamelos> andrewski, me puedes pasar que fuente apt usa ubuntu en sources.list?
[02:34] <SlicerDicer-> how do you use a .deb file?
[02:34] <biovore> depends Curlydave..
[02:34] <andrewski> karamelos: english or german only, sorry. :)
[02:35] <biovore> dpkg -i deb_file
[02:35] <Curlydave> bio, it boots into linux fine, but i have to d/c my linux hd to get into win
[02:35] <andrewski> Curlydave: there are good docs on it; check the wiki or google.
[02:35] <Curlydave> andrewski, k
[02:35] <mattlins> biovore: I misunderstood your question, I installed the blackdown package and it installed to /usr/lib/java/1.4.2/
[02:35] <CarlK> biovore - us.archive.ubuntu.com (no s)
[02:35] <karamelos> andrewski, can you pass me which apt sources use ubuntu in sources.list ?
[02:35] <andrewski> Curlydave: basically, you're looking for 'chainloader' or something IIRC
[02:35] <andrewski> karamelos: look at ubuntuguide.org; there are good examples there.
[02:35] <Curlydave> andrewski, my output when i try to get into boot has "chainloader +1 in" in the last line. is that significant?
[02:36] <biovore> mattlins: I would just grab the sun java packages for linux and install to /opt  blackdown has some glitches and is slighly different
[02:36] <andrewski> Curlydave: yes, but you should reference some examples to see if that will work; i don't recall the syntax. :)
[02:36] <Curlydave> ohh ok
[02:37] <biovore> sounds about right curlydave, it sometimes dosn't work though..  :-/
[02:37] <andrewski> Curlydave: could be significantly ineffective, or significantly exactly what you want. :P
[02:37] <CarlK> andrewski - can you do lspci -n  (Show PCI vendor and device codes) and give me the ones for your PCI wifi netgear card?
[02:37] <mattlins> biovore : I did this intially and then I had a whole new problem.  I would get my locale is not correct and I couldn't even install netbeans or run any java programs.  I asked for a whole day about this problem and nobody ever responed.  Are you familar with this? I can provide the full error.
[02:38] <biovore> I have netbeans with jdk 1.5 update 2 here..
[02:38] <biovore> and working
[02:38] <andrewski> CarlK: 0200: 168c:0013 (rev 01)
[02:38] <CarlK> andrewski - thanks
[02:38] <andrewski> CarlK: sure thing.
[02:39] <mattlins> biovore : I got this error with the sun package and running any GUI java program - "current locale is not supported in X11, locale is set to CX locale modifiers
[02:39] <mattlins> are not supported"
[02:39] <pfp> mattlins: 'export LANG=C; export LC_ALL=C; ./installer' could help
[02:39] <biovore> hmmm instressting..
[02:40] <mattlins> pfp: is that the fix?  have you seen this error?
[02:40] <biovore> or dpkg-reconfigure locals   I think
[02:40] <mattlins> okay I'm going to reinstall the sun package
[02:40] <pfp> mattlins: more like a workaround ;) i've no experience w/ installing sun's java, but that usually "fixes" missing locale problems
[02:41] <mattlins> ok
[02:41] <AlwaysModest> man ubuntu is awesome, its like beautiful... and fast
[02:41] <biovore> well people spent some time thinking about it..
[02:41] <biovore> but you'll see they got almost everything..
[02:41] <AristoMagnus> AlwaysModest, yeah ;)
[02:41] <mattlins> biovore : does ubuntu hava a sun package or should I just download from java.sun.com?
[02:42] <biovore> java.sun.com
[02:42] <AlwaysModest> i mean i knew linux was good but i didn't know ubuntu was this good
[02:42] <andrewski> biovore: almost everything, excluding java. :P
[02:42] <mattlins> :)
[02:42] <biovore> lol, well thats a custom joby :-)
[02:42] <biovore> no deb for sun java
[02:42] <andrewski> biovore: yes, because it's not included. :P
[02:43] <biovore> be funny if milarat had a java deb on him mirror, lol
[02:43] <nickrud> mattlins, http://serios.net/content/debian/java/with-java-package.php has good, detailed instructions for installing java
[02:43] <nickrud> he includes an ubuntu section
[02:43] <mattlins> nickrud : thanks I'll check it out
[02:43] <AlwaysModest> its time to me a frozen pizza in celebration
[02:43] <dimeo> sumbudy said the other nite that theres a plugin to get .rm files playing on mplayer/xine/ or totem  ne1 know how to do this?
[02:44] <nickrud> mattlins, it beats all the ones I've seen so far.
[02:44] <herpes> mattlins, the easiest way to install java is to install blackdown java
[02:44] <mattlins> herpes: that's what I'm having problems with as of now
[02:44] <WhiteRabbit> xine should play .rm files by default
[02:44] <biovore> lol, I like that guys method..
[02:44] <biovore> make the sun java installer a deb...
[02:44] <herpes> problems with blackdown java?
[02:45] <nickrud> biovore, it takes 2 lines in a shell.
[02:45] <biovore> yup..
[02:45] <mattlins> more like problems with netbeans and blackdown
[02:45] <dimeo> whiterabbit thx will try
[02:45] <AlwaysModest> anyone know a good source to read about apt?
[02:45] <herpes> mattlins, i have no idea what netbeans are so probably cant help you sorry
[02:45] <Sol-Badguy> no really we shouldn't use breezy? :P
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> no
[02:45] <herpes> AlwaysModest, man apt?
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> do not use breezy
[02:45] <AlwaysModest> duh!
[02:46] <AlwaysModest> my bad sorry
[02:46] <Sol-Badguy> I know I was messing around
[02:46] <biovore> netbeans is the sun java development IDE
[02:46] <Sol-Badguy> I can read
[02:46] <AlwaysModest> i wasn't really thinking thanks herpes
[02:46] <andrewski> i was using it until last weekend.
[02:46] <herpes> biovore, sort of like eclipse?
[02:46] <andrewski> then some update caused my X to crash and i came here for help and read the topic.
[02:46] <biovore> yeah.. kinda the same idea
[02:46] <andrewski> DOH!
[02:46] <Sol-Badguy> lol
[02:47] <nickrud> biovore, it's supposed to do both, he just used jre as the most likely install
[02:47] <[noobuntu] > di i need special rep's to install matlab? is it in the apt?
[02:47] <biovore> matlab is comercel, no apt..  try GNU octive
[02:47] <Sol-Badguy> just out of curiousity is their any way to get the emulator gens to work right in linux in double render? I am just curious
[02:48] <andrewski> crimsun: and /proc is on-the-fly too, right?
[02:48] <andrewski> (to refer to our conversation a while ago :)
[02:49] <[noobuntu] > biovore, ist there any kind of "simulink" included in octive?
[02:49] <Curlydave> AHHHHHH
[02:49] <Curlydave> i just did it right and put in the ece first then patch
[02:49] <dimeo> is there a .wmv and .rm plugin for totem?  I've got the totem-xine package installed
[02:49] <Curlydave> and i can't run ut again :(!
[02:49] <Lafitte-> so how doi download the 686 kernel ?
[02:49] <dimeo> got mp3 and .avi divx files working so far, but not .wmv and .rm
[02:49] <andrewski> rm -rf root O_O
[02:50] <andrewski> dimeo: check ubuntuguide.org on how to add codecs.
[02:50] <dimeo> anrewski dunnit already. someone told me last nite that totem can do it... the guide doesn't say
[02:50] <dimeo> great guide tho... among the best of any distro
[02:50] <andrewski> dimeo: yes, once you install the codecs package, totem (and any xine-based player) should pick them up.
[02:51] <Lafitte-> anyone know doifference  with linux-686  and linux-686-smp ?
[02:51] <anto9us> Lafitte-: smp is for muliple processors
[02:51] <dcraven> Lafitte-: SMP is for multi processors.
[02:52] <odyssey> Lafitte-, smp is for hyperthreading cpus or if you have..see aboce
[02:52] <dcraven> Lafitte-: Or p4
[02:52] <Lafitte-> anto9us, i have p4 m   which do i need >
[02:52] <Lafitte-> ?
[02:52] <andrewski> dimeo: did you do that?
[02:52] <Lafitte-> oh  thanks guys
[02:53] <wallflower> Er i mount a windows share, and when i try to cp it to a local place it creates the file and filename but with 0 data
[02:53] <dimeo> andrewski  I'm running "sudo apt-get install w32codecs"  looks good so far
[02:54] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  will apt install the kernel for me ?
[02:54] <anto9us> Lafitte-: yes
[02:54] <calamari> does anyone else egt redirected to 1dial.search-results-site.com when they enter a bad url (like fdashdasjdas.org) ?
[02:54] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  its done ???    how long should it take ?
[02:54] <[noobuntu] > @ll: is there any kind of "simulink" thing included in GNU octive?
[02:55] <calamari> sorry.. firefox :)
[02:55] <anto9us> Lafitte-: you can set it as default from grub when you reboot
[02:55] <andrewski> dimeo: 'so far'?
[02:55] <Lafitte-> anto9us,   ok  rebooting now
[02:56] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  it seemed to become default already
[02:56] <dimeo> andrewski  ok .wmv works great, but still no .rm files working
[02:56] <humbraro> calamari: not here - running firefox on windoze atm
[02:56] <andrewski> dimeo: good luck; i have no idea on those. :P
[02:57] <novaflare> where does gnome store its settings for things like the application menu?
[02:57] <SlicerDicer> why would kicker all the sudden break and screw up? I have no clock or anything.... all I did was add kdeartwork
[02:58] <anto9us> Lafitte-: even better :)
[02:58] <Lafitte-> anto9us, what is the difference between them ??    386 and 686 ?
[02:59] <frank> 686=optimized
[02:59] <anto9us> Lafitte-: 686 is compiled on the 686 family processors and therefore will take advantage of that processor's features
[02:59] <Riddell> SlicerDicer: do you have /etc/kderc?
[02:59] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  ty
[02:59] <Lafitte-> frank, ty
[03:00] <Riddell> SlicerDicer: you can join #kubuntu
[03:02] <anto9us> Riddell: you're involved in setting up a UK loco right?
[03:02] <dimeo> anyone know of a good notes manager / organizer  "tree" style for ubuntu?
[03:03] <dimeo> Post its get messy fast
[03:03] <YokoZa1> Hey, I installed Samba like here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba  but I can't configure a windows workgroup or anything in the general tab of my network settings - it's like samba isn't there.  I've already tried rebooting.  I also can't see the windows shares when I view the windows network.
[03:03] <YokoZa1> Did I miss a step?
[03:03] <humbraro> dimeo: gnome has a post-it thingie you can put on your toolbar
[03:04] <humbraro> then you can clutter your whole desktop :)
[03:04] <iamnow> hi
[03:04] <YokoZa1> welcome
[03:04] <iamnow> how do you play windows media streams?
[03:04] <iamnow> hi
[03:04] <dimeo> humbraro.... yea I got it going first thing... but there's a nice kde program in xandros that organizes your notes by name in a tree hierarchy.... I'm looking for one in ubuntu
[03:05] <YokoZa1> iamnow: Have you checked http://www.ubuntuguide.org/  ?
[03:05] <dimeo> iamnow.. just set that up  you gotta do " "sudo apt-get install w32codecs"
[03:05] <IIIEars> dimeo - what is is called?
[03:05] <humbraro> dimeo: sounds like you might find it in apt, but i don't know of anything for gnome that would compare - others might be able to help better
[03:05] <dimeo> good question  mynotes? can't remember
[03:06] <YokoZa1> Try installing the w32codecs and xine like it mentions on the guide
[03:06] <IIIEars> Sounds pretty good! :)
[03:06] <dimeo> notecase?
[03:06] <andrewski> dimeo: there are a few, dunno the names, but don't give up. :P
[03:06] <iamnow> dimeo: that doesnt work
[03:07] <IIIEars> Yep "notecase" - nice...
[03:07] <moga> I am disperate can someone tell how I can install gnome-core withot to install firefox ?
[03:07] <Curlydave> hey
[03:07] <Curlydave> i got the dual-booting workgin
[03:08] <iamnow> YokoZa1: ok thanks
[03:08] <Curlydave> apparenlty its another thing that doens't get configed right by default
[03:08] <Curlydave> like my fucked uup hosts file
[03:08] <anto9us> dimeo: there's a hierarchic text editor in universe called woody, I've never used it but you might want to look
[03:08] <dimeo> auto9us will do thx
[03:09] <Musagetes> I have the newest version of Java installed, but for some reason I can't connect to server based java things such as chats and multiplayer java games. Does anybody know what might be causing this?
[03:09] <dimeo> isn't woody the name for debian?
[03:10] <Marble2> woody is a version of debian
[03:10] <anto9us> dimeo: it's the name of a debian release, yes
[03:10] <Marble2> just as warty is a version of ubuntu
[03:10] <andrewski> dimeo: isn't gentoo a distribution of linux?
[03:10] <mattlins> biovore : this is what I get on a fakeroot of sun's java .bin "./install.sfx.15334: error while loading shared libraries: libfakeroot.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:10] <mattlins> "
[03:11] <iamnow> how come all the little things you have to do step by step after you install ubuntu are just simple bash scripts?
[03:11] <andrewski> iamnow: because ubuntu does a lot for you?
[03:12] <MonkeyBonkey> errrr
[03:12] <CarlK> iamnow - you don't have to do them ;)
[03:12] <MonkeyBonkey> i cant find a way to put ice wm on ubuntu
[03:12] <gorilla_> iamnow, because the bash is a sheel that you can guarantee will be installed... unlinke perl or some other interpreter.
[03:12] <MonkeyBonkey> is there like ice wm easy install or sumthing\
[03:13] <dimeo> iamnow... it's worth it... you can type a line and you've done what takes 15 min in windoze
[03:13] <MonkeyBonkey> Can someone please tutorial me how to install ICewm
[03:13] <iamnow> im just saying if your gonna list the step you may as well just make a script for them is all
[03:13] <humbraro> MonkeyBonkey: do you have universe in your repository?
[03:13] <MonkeyBonkey> the computer with linux does not have internet
[03:13] <MonkeyBonkey> Humbraro help
[03:13] <andrewski> humbraro: i have many repositories in my universe. :)
[03:13] <MonkeyBonkey> can someone help me install icewm
[03:13] <dimeo> iamnow... everyone wants to do different things with their system.... or moreover.. not want to install certain things
[03:13] <humbraro> well that won't help without an internet connection
[03:14] <MonkeyBonkey> well i can trasfer the packages or whatever from this comp onto the linux one
[03:14] <andrewski> MonkeyBonkey: then do it.  download, put on floppy, and install.
[03:14] <MonkeyBonkey> ya
[03:14] <MonkeyBonkey> how do i install icewm
[03:14] <MonkeyBonkey> which package, what do i type to install
[03:14] <andrewski> MonkeyBonkey: dpkg -i icewm.deb
[03:14] <MonkeyBonkey> wheres icewm.deb
[03:15] <humbraro> MonkeyBonkey: you'll need someone who's better with dpkg than me
[03:15] <andrewski> MonkeyBonkey: i don't know.  take some initiative.
[03:15] <MonkeyBonkey> errrrrrrrrrrrrr
[03:15] <MonkeyBonkey> what other linux distribs have icewm on them already
[03:15] <pfp> MonkeyBonkey: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/
[03:15] <MonkeyBonkey> ya
[03:15] <MonkeyBonkey> i already tried that
[03:16] <MonkeyBonkey> and ummm it says its missing other shit
[03:16] <andrewski> MonkeyBonkey: errrrrr, then install that missing shit.
[03:16] <iamnow> dimeo: i never said you have to install the script
[03:16] <novaflare> so no one knows where the config for gnomes application places and system menu are located?
[03:16] <andrewski> novaflare: ask in #gnome or on GimpNet
[03:17] <Synnergy> Ok - favorite topic :)  Any X supers help me with the nv tv-out .. I know - tons of info, but I got it up and running mostly - but wm locks after about 30 seconds.. but mouse can still move to tv - but kde lust stops
[03:17] <benkong2> what does this mean?  Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_hoary_Release
[03:17] <andrewski> later all.
[03:18] <benkong2> I am using the  HOWTO: 32-Bit Chroot on 64-Bit Installs
[03:18] <benkong2> I issued the command sudo debootstrap --arch i386 hoary /chroot/ http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[03:20] <nadav> Hi, I'm trying to get mysql-server working but it won't start. I get "Can't open file: 'host.MYI'. (errno: 142)
[03:20] <Synnergy> Anyone have any ideas?  I can boot up, log in, and move around, but as soon as  a window hits second monitor, kde just hangs - have to power off
[03:20] <nadav> "
[03:20] <nadav> and Fatal error: Can't open privilege tables: File '/usr/share/mysql/charsets/?.conf' not found (Errcode: 2)
[03:20] <gorilla_> nadav, fresh install of mysql-server??
[03:20] <MonkeyBonkey> how do i run a .bin in ubuntu?
[03:21] <humbraro> Synnergy: sounds like a bug in kde or X, might want to try #kubuntu
[03:21] <nadav> gorilla_: I had 4.1 installed before, but I removed it.
[03:21] <humbraro> Synnergy: or just incomplete/bad driver
[03:21] <gorilla_> MonkeyBonkey, try ./<filename>.bin
[03:21] <MonkeyBonkey> hmmm
[03:21] <MonkeyBonkey> u seem smart
[03:22] <gorilla_> nadav, try dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server
[03:22] <conover> Anyone using xfig on Ubuntu?
[03:24] <_hp_> is there a wysiwyg html editors for linux yet?
[03:24] <nalioth> _hp_: many
[03:24] <Dave2|Laptop> nvu
[03:24] <nadav> gorilla_: didn't help. I also keep on getting "shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory"
[03:25] <nalioth> _hp_: try quanta or nvu
[03:25] <nalioth> _hp_: or even (gulp) mozilla composer
[03:25] <brap> Has anyone heard about a problem installing ubuntu on centrino laptops after the first reboot on install?
[03:25] <humbraro> _hp_: OOo can export to html, mozilla used to have one, don't know if they do anymore
[03:26] <_hp_> trying quanta... i just need something for rudimentary
[03:27] <caonex> I am running firefox in a broadband network; and after doing some of the tunning suggested for speeding it, it still hangs for about 10 seconds before entering the desire website, any ideas?
[03:27] <angel12> how do i reconfigure xfree86 on warty
[03:27] <brap> angel12: xf86config
[03:28] <_hp_> photoshop runs pretty well in linux
[03:28] <dimeo> hp using crossover/
[03:28] <dimeo> ?
[03:28] <MonkeyBonkey> to run a bin i just go sudo ???.bin right?
[03:28] <angel12> brap: isnt there a dpkg reconfigure thing?
[03:28] <brap> Has anyone heard about a problem installing ubuntu on centrino laptops after the first reboot on install?
[03:28] <_hp_> dimeo: yes, the trial version...
[03:28] <nickrud> angel12, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:28] <brap> yeah
[03:28] <Dave2|Laptop> MonkeyBonkey, you may want a `sh` before the ???.bin
[03:28] <MonkeyBonkey> sudo sh ???.bin?
[03:28] <MonkeyBonkey> that
[03:29] <Dave2|Laptop> If the executable attribute isn't set
[03:29] <Dave2|Laptop> yeah
[03:29] <MonkeyBonkey> k
[03:29] <MonkeyBonkey> cuz i got the XFce4 installer
[03:29] <MonkeyBonkey> so im installing htat insteal of icewm
[03:30] <darkaudit> MonkeyBonkey: why not apt-get install xfce?
[03:30] <MonkeyBonkey> cuz i dont have internet on the computer with linux
[03:33] <mattlins> How do I edit the drawers on the top panel?
[03:33] <gorilla_> MonkeyBonkey, you are going to find it easier to either move the computer or get a connection to that computer.... other wise youa re going to have to work out the dependencies, burn them to a cd and then dpkg -i those files onto the other computer.
[03:33] <carthik> Doe anyone know of a channel where someone can answer a few basic linux questions?
[03:33] <CarlK> #linuxhelp
[03:34] <Xenguy> carthik: not having any luck here?
[03:34] <Jormundgand> In Synaptic there's a bunch of packages marked upgradable, but they threaten to remove packages which sound vital if I upgrade them. I also can't install a bunch of packages because they need versions of packages which aren't there. What do I do?
[03:34] <MonkeyBonkey> yes i tryed hooking my linux computer up to a internet connection and it didnt detect the internet
[03:34] <MonkeyBonkey> why?
[03:34] <CarlK> and be sure to just ask ;)
[03:34] <carthik> Xenguy, they are not ubuntu questions in particular. The question is,w hat is the right way to fetch mail (to /var/mail) from various imap accounts?
[03:34] <gorilla_> MonkeyBonkey, connected it in which way??? modem, cable, lan...
[03:35] <MonkeyBonkey> cable intenet
[03:35] <Xenguy> carthik: there is something called 'offlineimap'...
[03:35] <Xenguy> carthik: (going from memory there) -- I've never used it though, just heard good things
[03:35] <carthik> Xenguy, okay, I will look for that - but is that the way I can use Pine or Mutt to read mail, instead of a gui mail reader
[03:35] <gorilla_> MonkeyBonkey, can you ping the gateway? (ie your cable modem)
[03:35] <_kevin> any one here set up a shoutcast like server and radio on their comp? if so can you tell me how i would set that up on ubuntu, i want to stream music to some friends
[03:36] <MonkeyBonkey> no no itnernet was working on the linux
[03:36] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> hi.
[03:36] <MonkeyBonkey> like none
[03:36] <Xenguy> carthik: both do imap AFAIK
[03:36] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> i need some help.
[03:36] <MonkeyBonkey> w/e
[03:36] <MonkeyBonkey> be back soon
[03:36] <carthik> Xenguy,  point is, I would like to ssh to my work computer and read mail from wherever I am.
[03:36] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> gnome (or the default desktop) used to start on boot.
[03:36] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> now it doesn't.
[03:36] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> i accidentally removed it from startup.
[03:36] <dimeo> is gtk and gnome related?
[03:36] <Xenguy> carthik: I'm not really an imap guy, so I default to my first suggestion :-)
[03:36] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> and i don't know how.
[03:37] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> how do i add it to the startup list again?
[03:37] <carthik> Xenguy, thank you very much.
[03:37] <Xenguy> carthik: yw, and good luck
[03:37] <carthik> :)
[03:39] <IIIEars> I need a tip for sound with UT, UT2k4. OSS, ALSA? - everthing is okay with the volume controls.
[03:40] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> gnome (or the default desktop) used to start on boot.
[03:40] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> now it doesn't.
[03:40] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> i accidentally removed it from startup.
[03:40] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> and i don't know how.
[03:40] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> how do i add it to the startup list again?
[03:41] <IIIEars> alphabet add apps to sessions and they will start on boot.
[03:41] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> how?
[03:42] <IIIEars> preferences ... sessions ... startup
[03:42] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> uh
[03:42] <sebdc> IIIEars is anything else running; try maybe killall esd
[03:42] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> i'm at a command screen how.
[03:42] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> i rebooted it.
[03:42] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> and i'm logged in as root.
[03:42] <hodgman> anyone here try out the messenger program skype ?
[03:43] <foxiness> can i change vfat label on linux and how ? e2label - ex2 & 3-
[03:43] <IIIEars> okay - let me check
[03:43] <hodgman> says its a secure voice/chat program
[03:43] <FlyingSquirrel32> How do I get a TV Tuner Card to work in ubuntu?
[03:44] <IIIEars> sebdc - mixer applet is running?
[03:44] <odyssey> FlyingSquirrel32, got tvtime?
[03:44] <pfp> hodgman: i've used skype for chatting
[03:44] <nickrud> alphabet[NTNWWNe, ls /etc/rc2.d/S13gdm to see if the startup link is there
[03:44] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> IIIEars: sebdc left.
[03:44] <MonkeyBonkey> oh
[03:44] <MonkeyBonkey> man
[03:44] <MonkeyBonkey> quick help
[03:44] <IIIEars> darn! - lol
[03:44] <MonkeyBonkey> im installing flux box and it says i need superuser privlidges
[03:45] <MonkeyBonkey> how do i do that
[03:45] <FlyingSquirrel32> odyssey, I will in a few minutes...
[03:45] <Marble2> sudo
[03:45] <MonkeyBonkey> what
[03:45] <Marble2> put sudo before the command
[03:45] <Musagetes> Prefix your install commands with 'sudo'
[03:45] <MonkeyBonkey> sudo dpkg -i fluxbox.deb
[03:45] <IIIEars> alphabet, - were you able to add your app to start up?
[03:45] <MonkeyBonkey> ok
[03:45] <MonkeyBonkey> brb
[03:45] <mattlins> how do i edit my the drawers in the top panel/
[03:45] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> nickrud: tried. i get "mv: cannot stat '/etc/rc3.d/S13gdm': no such file or directory
[03:45] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> IIIEars: nope.
[03:45] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> IIIEars: i'm in a non-gui
[03:45] <FlyingSquirrel32> hodgman, yeah it's pretty good, free if the other guy has it/
[03:46] <IIIEars> ah - okay i am too new too help with that yet,
[03:46] <hodgman> FlyingSquirrel32: you're running on debian/ubuntu?
[03:46] <FlyingSquirrel32> hodgman, better sound quality even than normal phone if connecting to another skype user
[03:46] <odyssey> FlyingSquirrel32, no tvtime is a nice application fro watching tv with your tv tuner card
[03:46] <jevidl> question - any suggestions what would prevent me from changing the screen res. above 640? my display will support 1024
[03:46] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> wait, i think i got it.
[03:46] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> it's K13gdm
[03:46] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> yep, it works
[03:46] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> THANKS!
[03:46] <jevidl> I think my color depth is way off too
[03:47] <frank> jevidl, you need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:47] <bass85> .... can somebody tell me which r the keyboard shortcuts in ubuntu ?????
[03:47] <funk> jevidl - drivers
[03:47] <nickrud> alphabet[NTNWWNe, change that back to S13gdm :)
[03:47] <FlyingSquirrel32> hodgman, I've not used it myself, but a friend on windows calls family in mexico all the time.
[03:47] <jevidl> frank: already set up that way. default depth is first
[03:47] <FlyingSquirrel32> hodgman, it's free for her!
[03:47] <bass85> ?
[03:47] <r0d> ubuntu installs apache by default??
[03:47] <jevidl> funk: I thought it was picking them up right, I guess i will check it out again
[03:47] <jevidl> frank: sorry, I mean the default res is there
[03:47] <hodgman> FlyingSquirrel32: yeah..that's what I'm thinking. My brother is getting transfered over to Germany for 4 years
[03:47] <FlyingSquirrel32> odyssey, how do I get drivers, or do I need them?
[03:48] <frank> jevidl, did you change the frequencies in the monitor section as well?
[03:48] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> r0d: no.
[03:48] <FlyingSquirrel32> hodgman, I definitly would. especially if he also has internet access.
[03:48] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> r0d: try apt-get install apache2
[03:48] <hodgman> yeah he will
[03:48] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> or type
[03:48] <jevidl> frank: let me double check. I thought it was kosher with xorg.conf
[03:48] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> synaptic
[03:48] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> in a root console
[03:48] <FlyingSquirrel32> hodgman, better quality, and free at the same time!
[03:49] <FlyingSquirrel32> hodgman, I have no one to call :(
[03:49] <r0d> alphabet[NTNWWNe, why doesn it say i have apache-common.
[03:49] <FlyingSquirrel32> hodgman, perhaps if I move to another country and still have internet conn.
[03:49] <hodgman> hehe
[03:50] <funk> That's one of the drawbacks to Skype...   :)   If you're friends aren't geeks, you're stuck...   You could cal a nice loopback number and talk to yourself....    I tend ot do that for hours..
[03:50] <hodgman> it does regular chat too..so I'm going to get all of my family to get it
[03:50] <Marble2> Hey, I noticed, my computer has been locking up alot.
[03:50] <IIIEars> lol
[03:50] <Marble2> all my windows get the little, move thing going, where it's a plus sign
[03:50] <jevidl> frank: my resolutions are all listed under screen, is there supposed to be one under monitor too?
[03:50] <hodgman> i'm the regular "tech" guy in the family so they do what I say
[03:50] <Marble2> and I can't click anything to kill the app in terminal
[03:50] <Marble2> I just move windows around
[03:50] <Marble2> I can't kill X11, ctrl alt backspace doesn't work
[03:50] <Marble2> I have to restart, any ideas what the problem is?
[03:51] <frank> jevidl, what is your HorizSync and VertRefresh numbers?
[03:51] <CarlK> forget Skype - figure out how to use linphone and freeworlddialup.com
[03:51] <odyssey> FlyingSquirrel32, if you have a tv tuner card with a bt chipset there is a kernel module for it
[03:51] <nickrud> r0d, I have a very vanilla install, and apache-common is not on mine
[03:51] <FlyingSquirrel32> funk, or if you're a geek in a different country from your family.
[03:51] <odyssey> so bascially just chuck it in and it should go
[03:52] <funk> Spekaing of VoIP..  Ayone running their own VoIP gateway router / PBX etc?
[03:52] <FlyingSquirrel32> odyssey, not sure of the chipset, haugepauge or something like that is the brand.
[03:52] <IIIEars> FlyingSquirrel - you have to fly home set it up then fly back to chat.
[03:52] <jevidl> frank: wierd. I don't even see it. I think that the install didn't get the xorg right now that I look a bit closer.
[03:52] <CarlK> funk - I am getting read to using Yate
[03:52] <FlyingSquirrel32> odyssey, where can I find a list of supported devices? Or at least somewhere to start looking...
[03:52] <CarlK> www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=Open%20Source%20VOIP%20Software
[03:53] <CarlK> funk - getting ready to
[03:54] <funk> CarlK: what all do you need to use that?  Vonage, regular Freeworld ID??   I want to have like one number / address and have my own accounts off that one.. "Dial 1 for me, 2 for my wife", VM, etc but haven't had much luck..
[03:54] <CarlK> funk - I havn't figured out how to make it "slick" yet
[03:54] <CarlK> funk - well, I havn't figured out anything really
[03:54] <funk> Seems we are at about the same crossroad..
[03:56] <funk> I've installed a few but the configs were a little cryptic and many wanted a SIP phone (real one).  I kinda want to emulate a softphone and route all the calls locally.
[03:57] <CarlK> funk - check out yate
[03:57] <funk> Doing that now....   Thanks for the headsup BTW
[03:57] <CarlK> funk - it works with both hard and soft phones, even comes with 2
[03:57] <CarlK> but it is very "new" so be prepaired
[03:59] <FlyingSquirrel32> odyssey: No Signal :-/
[03:59] <carthik> I lost my old gnupg private key along with the windows xp that i had installed -terrible catastrophe. Now how do I get a new key pair?
[03:59] <FlyingSquirrel32> odyssey: nice software, though.
[04:03] <funk> CalK: Thanks for the heads up on Yate..  I'd been to that site a few times and tried Asterisk but for some reasn never got to Yate.   I'll give it a shot though.
[04:04] <funk> CarlK too..  :)
[04:04] <inva|id> I have both gcc 4.0 and gcc 3.3 -- how would I compile something using the older 3.3 ?
[04:05] <levander`> Anybody here is using mysql?  Why did they do the packages so that mysql-server doesn't auto-upgrade to mysql-server-4.1? Why'd they change the package name?
[04:09] <odyssey> man qemu is awesome
[04:10] <iamnow> what is Stream Directory Browser (streamtuner)
[04:10] <iamnow> ?
[04:10] <dcraven> inva|id: You can use /usr/bin/gcc33
[04:10] <IIIEars> what are you using qemu for?
[04:11] <iamnow> the ubuntuguide is good
[04:11] <inva|id> dcraven: sorry, what I mean to say was how to run a makefile using that version..
[04:11] <IIIEars> er.. What are you using qemu with..
[04:12] <dcraven> inva|id: Your own makefile?
[04:12] <andrewski> i'm trying to switch my primary hard drive, but i'm not sure how to tell grub to look at (hd0,1) of the new primary drive instead of (hd0,0) of the current primary drive.  anyone know how to do that?
[04:12] <dcraven> inva|id: /usr/bin/gcc is just a symlink. You can change that if need be, but I'd change it back when you are done.
[04:13] <Ryan_> Im downloading ubuntu just now, what kind of shell doesn it use?
[04:13] <inva|id> dcraven: ah thats exactly what I was looking for, I think - thanks I'll try
[04:13] <shad0w1e> anyone know why after an "ubuntu update" (top right corner, update icon in gnome) my sound card no longer works? I have a sound blaster live!
[04:13] <pfp> andrewski: you need to provide a device map to grub i believe
[04:13] <andrewski> pfp: ok, i'll look that up; any tips?
[04:13] <elcu> Dr_Melectaus: gnome-terminal running bash IIRC
[04:14] <pfp> andrewski: install grub-doc (?) and see 'info grub'
[04:14] <andrewski> pfp: i'm already looking at the manual; i just meant anything in addition. :P  thanks for the help!
[04:14] <Dr_Melectaus> Thanks elcu , for that shell could you reccomend a good book for getting to grips with it?
[04:14] <levander`> shad0w1e: there was a kernel update recently, updated your kernel prolly screwed it up
[04:14] <elcu> quick question: how can i scroll the process list in 'top'?
[04:15] <pfp> andrewski: k :)
[04:15] <shad0w1e> levander: but the old kernel isnt in my boot menu
[04:15] <shad0w1e> if thats the case
[04:15] <shad0w1e> is that possible?
[04:15] <rommer> whats the most popular distro used on linux servers?
[04:16] <shad0w1e> red hat?
[04:16] <shad0w1e> freebsd?
[04:16] <andrewski> gentoo?
[04:16] <thunderbolt> susE?
[04:16] <elcu> Dr_Melectaus: easy answer: Google :)
[04:16] <rommer> i dunno i'm asking you
[04:16] <rommer> :)
[04:16] <elcu> Dr_Melectaus: check out this link: http://www.maththinking.com/boat/booksIndex.html
[04:16] <levander`> shad0w1e: actually, i'm running 2.6-686-smp, don't know if they also updated other kernels, maybe they didn't update yours?
[04:16] <andrewski> rommer: look up some stats. :P
[04:16] <elcu> Dr_Melectaus: search for bash and it will give you a few entries
[04:17] <Dr_Melectaus> yes but from your exspieriance. could you reccomend a good book?
[04:17] <Dr_Melectaus> k
[04:17] <Dr_Melectaus> ty
[04:17] <dcraven> rommer: I'm guessing Debian.
[04:17] <elcu> Dr_Melectaus: not really.  i'm no expert.
[04:17] <nickrud> shad0w1e, lsmod | grep snd will tell you if hotplug loaded your sound modules
[04:17] <Dr_Melectaus> lol fair enough
[04:17] <shad0w1e> levander: you have two processors?
[04:17] <Dr_Melectaus> :)
[04:17] <dcraven> rommer: Assuming you are looking for a Free solution.
[04:17] <rommer> dcraven: yea
[04:18] <levander`> shad0w1e: yeah
[04:18] <rommer> <insert "free" into question>
[04:18] <shad0w1e> nice
[04:18] <shad0w1e> let me ask. does a dual processor give you anything on photoshop?
[04:19] <levander`> shad0w1e: don't know, it depends on if photoshop is multithreaded or not.
[04:19] <shad0w1e> i see
[04:19] <thunderbolt> shad0w1e: from my recollection photoshop is only single threaded
[04:19] <shad0w1e> its um that simple?
[04:19] <elcu> Dr_Melectaus: i'd bookmark that page for future reference.  it's got some pretty good links :-)
[04:19] <shad0w1e> single-threaded: no, multi-threaded, yes?
[04:19] <levander`> shad0w1e: but, if your using photoshop to do a lot of bulk encoding (e.g., a process that pegs your CPU and takes a long time to complete), you will still be able to use your other processor like nothing is pegging your processor at all.
[04:20] <Dr_Melectaus> ok thanks elcu
[04:20] <levander`> shad0w1e: that even if photoshop is not multithreaded
[04:20] <navreet> how can I use flash under 64bit?
[04:20] <shad0w1e> in other words, windows will set one processor on photoshop and the other one youll have for your other processes... yes?
[04:20] <levander`> shad0w1e: that last explanation is true of all batch processing, not just photoshop
[04:20] <levander`> shad0w1e: yes
[04:20] <shad0w1e> lsmod shows my ac'97 codec being loaded, not my sound blaster live
[04:21] <shad0w1e> im gonna go check and make sure ac'97 is disabled in bios again
[04:21] <shad0w1e> thanks, whoever gave me that ti..
[04:21] <levander`> shad0w1e: unless the batch process is multi-threaded, then the batch process will take both processors, but get its work done much faster.
[04:21] <shad0w1e> right, makes sense
[04:21] <shad0w1e> is linux better at multithreading?
[04:22] <shad0w1e> does lsmod show all modules on the comp, or all modules loaded?
[04:22] <nickrud> shad0w1e, you can blacklist the ac'97 in /etc/hotplug/hoplug.d/ , that's how I deal with my onboard sound
[04:22] <levander`> shad0w1e: the answer used to be yes, but I think XP has caught up with Linux in that area
[04:22] <rommer> how can i setup an alias for 'sudo apt-get update' so i can type something like 'sagu'
[04:22] <nickrud> just the ones loaded
[04:23] <andrewski> rommer: look up bash aliases.
[04:23] <shad0w1e> so if its disabled in bios
[04:23] <sherwin> how do i install java runtime environment
[04:23] <levander`> rommer: alias sagu="sudo apt-get update" - but that sounds like a silly alias to me
[04:23] <shad0w1e> shouldnt modprobe NOT find it?
[04:23] <levander`> rommer: you usually alias things that you type a lot, and a lot in the same hour, to save a few keystrokes
[04:23] <rommer> levander: it was only an example
[04:23] <elcu> sherwin: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[04:23] <sherwin> thanks
[04:23] <dcraven> rommer: alias sagu="sudo apt-get update"
[04:24] <ukato> do i have to install any drivers to get a microphone to work properly
[04:24] <ukato> or should that be done by default
[04:24] <shad0w1e> aight thanks guys
[04:24] <shad0w1e> imm gona have a look in bios
[04:24] <navreet> how can I get flash working for 64bit?
[04:24] <rommer> thanks
[04:25] <sherwin> elcu i have already installed java 1.5 but the web page keep saying i should install the missing plugin
[04:25] <ukato> anddd
[04:25] <nickrud> no offence, elcu, but http://serios.net/content/debian/java/with-java-package.php is a cleaner site right now
[04:26] <ukato> is it hard to get linux to see an NTFS format hard drive
[04:26] <Juhaz> as long as read-only is enough, no
[04:26] <elcu> nickrud: none taken.  i just googled :-)
[04:26] <elcu> sherwin: nickrud might be able to offer more help
[04:26] <nickrud> elcu, I used to give that one, but it was confusing everyone
[04:27] <carthik> I lost my old gnupg private key along with the windows xp that i had installed -terrible catastrophe. Now how do I get a new key pair?
[04:27] <benplaut> wnight: you out there?
[04:27] <elcu> nickrud: i'll keep that in mind.  thanks for the tip.
[04:27] <ukato> juhaz, what do i do to do that
[04:27] <ukato> if you don't mind
[04:27] <starshine> does ubuntu live CD have a terminal server mode?
[04:28] <Quequeg> carthik, your first priority should be learning to use burning and backup tools.  :)
[04:28] <starshine> e.g. so I can stick one in a decent high end workstation and have it serve to a batch of ancient beasts?
[04:28] <nickrud> sherwin, uh, I use a package, but I think you need to link the java plugin into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[04:28] <carthik> Quequeg, indeed. I have rync over ssh backups now
[04:29] <Quequeg> carthik, Ah, I like that approach myself.  I was just bustin' your nuts.
[04:29] <elcu> sherwin: looking at the link nickrud provided, this might help: http://serios.net/content/debian/java/#browserplugin
[04:29] <sherwin> nickrud: how do i do that
[04:30] <pfp> ukato: mount -t ntfs -oro /dev/hdxx /foo
[04:30] <carthik> Quequeg, :) so any clue how - 'bout the gpg question?
[04:30] <Quequeg> gpg --gen-key?
[04:30] <nickrud> sherwin, did you restart firefox :)
[04:30] <carthik> Quequeg, what about the old?
[04:31] <dcraven> carthik: I should hope it's difficult to generate the private key by using the public one.
[04:31] <Quequeg> carthik, well, you can't re-create your old private key using your public, if that's what you mean -- it would defeat the whole purpose.
[04:31] <nickrud> sherwin, check http://serios.net/content/debian/java/browser-plugin.php#libjavapluginlocation for your version, then
[04:31] <carthik> dcraven, i should, too :)
[04:31] <Kevin__> Hello
[04:32] <nickrud> cd /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and sudo ln -s <that plugin> .  (that's a period)
[04:32] <carthik> Quequeg, i want to revoke the old key(pair) and get a new pair, or is that what I want? What about all those folks who already have my public keys, and all those keyservers?
[04:32] <duken> helo
[04:32] <Kevin__> How can I unistall a .bin file? (realplay-10.0.4.750-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin)
[04:33] <duken> The Application "gnome-screenshot" has quit unexpectedly. <-- why ??
[04:33] <Kevin__> How can I uninstall a .bin file? (realplay-10.0.4.750-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin)
[04:33] <starshine> :(
[04:33] <saber_> kevin: ./file
[04:34] <hondje> Hi.  Setting up /etc/hdparm.conf, in the section /dev/hdb I want to set the automatic acoustic management to 254.  command line would be hdparm -M254, but what about in the format hdparm.conf uses?
[04:34] <dcraven> Kevin__: I'm not sure you can.
[04:34] <nickrud> sherwin, and you want  greater than 3.2 for gcc
[04:34] <Quequeg> carthik, I don't think you can revoke without the private, so you're probably stuck with a new pair, and emailing everyone you know not to use the old.  Unfortunately.
[04:34] <Glitch407x> Hello?
[04:34] <carthik> Quequeg, i dont understand how the servers will just accept the new keys... ?
[04:34] <sherwin> nickrud: what is it. my question is on java runtime
[04:35] <Kevin__> saber_ Can you give me the full command?
[04:35] <saber_> kevin: that is the full command
[04:35] <duken> hi
[04:35] <saber_> kevin: replace file with the file you want to execute
[04:35] <eob84> does anyone know where I can get drivers that support ATI Mobility M6 chipset?
[04:35] <nickrud> sherwin, that's the plugin for firefox
[04:35] <duken> what happen with gnome-screenshot
[04:35] <duken> ?
[04:35] <pfp> i think kevin was talking about _un_installing fo
[04:35] <elcu> saber_: i think he wants to *uninstall*
[04:35] <dcraven> saber_: He's trying to *un*install it.
[04:35] <Kevin__> saber_ don't I need sudo before?
[04:35] <nickrud> sherwin, and you want to do that in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins to :)
[04:35] <saber_> oh my bad
[04:35] <eob84> I can use the generic radeon drivers but they don't work to well with my chip
[04:35] <Quequeg> carthik, depending on how it was generated, it may expire on its own.   As for accepting new keys, I could send in keys as George W Bush, and they wouldn't care.
[04:36] <Glitch407x> I installed Ubuntu and when it trys to boot it says it is unable to start x drive "the gui".
[04:36] <duken> he Application "gnome-screenshot" has quit unexpectedly.
[04:36] <duken> You can inform the developers of what happened to help them fix it.  Or you can restart the application right now.
[04:36] <saber_> kevin: locate realplay, then rm -rf directory
[04:36] <saber_> kevin: find . -name *realplay* -print
[04:37] <Glitch407x> <--needs help please.
[04:37] <ukato> pfp, thanks
[04:37] <elcu> duken: nothing's perfect.  can you run it again?
[04:37] <sherwin> nickrud: sory but how do i do that dont know the comman
[04:37] <sherwin> dont know the command
[04:38] <nickrud> sherwin, no problem, in a terminal, cd /usr/lib/mozilla/
[04:38] <FlyingSquirrel32> I'm trying to get my TV Tuner car to work in ubuntu. It works in RH and Suse, but the ubuntu wiki says It doesn't doesn't work in ubuntu
[04:38] <sherwin> ok ill do that
[04:39] <FlyingSquirrel32> I'd like to find a solution to use and share, but I'd need a bit of direction to get started... any suggestions?
[04:39] <sherwin> ok ive done it whats next
[04:39] <elcu> eob84: can you run: lspci | grep "ATI"
[04:39] <nickrud> ok, where'd you install the jre
[04:39] <phoenixp3k> XMMS and Mplayer crashing, some help or info on that? Usig Hoary
[04:40] <hondje> FlyingSquirrel32: Is it a nvidia card?
[04:40] <sherwin> nickrud: ive done installation using synaptic i dont know where it is located
[04:40] <duken> Elcu: yes i do
[04:40] <eob84> eclu, yea
[04:40] <FlyingSquirrel32> hondje, no Hauppauge, BT848
[04:40] <duken> but still can't run
[04:40] <elcu> eob84: does it output anything?
[04:40] <hondje> oh, not a clue then, sorry
[04:40] <nickrud> sherwin, do ls in the terminal
[04:40] <eob84> eclu, it comes up with my card name
[04:40] <sherwin> ok
[04:40] <eob84> eclu, and model
[04:41] <elcu> eob84: you could try this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:41] <sherwin> there is plugin folder
[04:41] <FlyingSquirrel32> hondje, I've done a little research... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimedia
[04:41] <eob84> eclu, k
[04:41] <ick> why is ubuntu so popular ?
[04:41] <Lafitte--> ick,  it works
[04:41] <FlyingSquirrel32> hondje, http://registration.hauppauge.com/support/linux/linux_support_start.htm
[04:41] <eob84> eclu, the only issue is that when I try to resize a window in gnome it is choppy
[04:41] <Kevin__> saber_ bash: -name*realplayer*-print: command not found
[04:41] <ick> is it because it dosent have firewall ?
[04:41] <nickrud> sherwin, sorry, cd plugins and do the ls again
[04:41] <sherwin> ok
[04:41] <eob84> eclu, and 3d graphics don't render as well as they should either
[04:42] <Lafitte--> ick,  you can put it in if you want too
[04:42] <elcu> eob84: have you checked if you have 3d enabled?
[04:42] <ick> my toilet flusher works just great too but no one is using it but me
[04:42] <Lafitte--> ick,  caled firestarter
[04:42] <elcu> duken: not sure.  try rebooting.
[04:42] <sherwin> ive found these libflash-mozplugin.so  libtotem_mozilla.so
[04:42] <sherwin> libjavaplugin.so       libtotem_mozilla.xpt
[04:42] <Lafitte--> oh brother
[04:42] <hondje> FlyingSquirrel32: I bet it works, but that kind of stuff isn't really in the area of things I know...
[04:42] <eob84> eclu, drm and dri?
[04:42] <JDahl> ick, it's has all the great things of Debian, but is more usefriendly (and I will use you toilet flusher I you let me)
[04:42] <hondje> FlyingSquirrel32: I just know nvidia you can apt-get intall nvtv
[04:43] <nickrud> sherwin, ls /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[04:43] <ick> its privat
[04:43] <elcu> eob84: yes, 'glxinfo' should show "direct rendering: yes"
[04:43] <ick> unlike ubuntu so it seems
[04:43] <elcu> eob84: it's right at the top
[04:43] <dcraven> ick: You don't like it?
[04:43] <ick> i dont like what ?
[04:43] <duken> elcu, i was reboot, but still
[04:43] <g14> Kevin__: Try realplay
[04:43] <sherwin> ok
[04:43] <angel12> can yall see this?
[04:44] <dcraven> ick: Ubuntu.
[04:44] <g14> angel12: Yes
[04:44] <ick> i never tryed it
[04:44] <ick> im not gona run around the internet naked
[04:44] <g14> ubuntu has a firewall
[04:44] <dcraven> ick: There are no listening ports in the default install.
[04:44] <cmatheson> hey, did mplayer get removed from hoary (i'm unable to install it)
[04:44] <eob84> I have load "glx"
[04:45] <sherwin> nickrud: whats next
[04:45] <JDahl> ick, I also think many people switched from Debian to Ubuntu because they were fed up with Debian never releasing combined with its somewhat lacking hardware detection
[04:45] <eob84> eclu, in the xorg.conf
[04:45] <nickrud> sherwin did you see any plugins?
[04:45] <hondje> That's why I put ubuntu on this desktop, I like debian but hate waiting for 200 years for a update to something :(
[04:45] <sherwin> nickru: these 2 libflash-mozplugin.so  libjavaplugin.so
[04:45] <eob84> eclu, there are fglrx drivers released by ATI
[04:46] <eob84> eclu, my card isn't listed as supported, so I am not sure if I should try them
[04:46] <nickrud> sherwin, what repository did you get the jre package from?
[04:46] <sherwin> nickrud: deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java
[04:47] <Madpilot> ick: I ran XP with a software firewall, and Ubuntu w/o (yet) thru a router, and got *exactly* the same results at one of those online port-scanning sites...
[04:47] <nickrud> sherwin, I don't know that one.
[04:47] <elcu> duken: short of re-installing gnome-utils in synaptic, which might be *risky*.  i'm not sure. sorry.
[04:47] <sherwin> its listed in ubuntu at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[04:47] <elcu> eob84: no, probably not a good idea if they're not supported
[04:47] <nickrud> sherwin, me, I'd uninstall that java, and either get the package from blackdown, or do that link I posted. It's step by step, detailed.
[04:48] <frank> what is this blackdown java? is just sun java repackaged?
[04:48] <elcu> eob84: what was your card again?
[04:48] <eob84> eclu, everything is configured ok... I just need suport for my graphics card
[04:48] <hondje> Why would someone want an IDE hdd's write caching turned off?
[04:48] <nickrud> frank, I don't know, I used to use it until I discovered java-package
[04:48] <sherwin> nickrud ok ill try the method 2 using blackdown
[04:49] <nickrud> sherwin, that should work better.
[04:49] <eob84> eclu, Radeon Mobility M6 Ly
[04:49] <elcu> eob84: so basically, everything works, it just runs slow.
[04:49] <cmatheson> any info on getting mplayer on ubuntu (other than compiling it myself?)
[04:49] <sherwin> nickrud, thanks ill be seeing you when i see you hehe
[04:49] <eob84> eclu, mhmm
[04:49] <NicP> cmatheson: the only way i know of is written about on the forums
[04:50] <frank> cmatheson, mplayer is in universe
[04:50] <eob84> eclu, I think my chip is equiv to the MOBILITY 9000
[04:50] <Glitch407x> Anybody here to answer quick question?
[04:50] <elcu> cmatheson: http://ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[04:50] <benplaut> w00t! figured out a quick-fix to the "Kernel Panic- not syncing" problem!!!  :)
[04:50] <ukato> windows don't flash notifications in GNOME, right
[04:51] <Quest-Master> Does anyone know how to mount floppies? Apparently Project Utopia doesn't handle them
[04:51] <elcu> eob84: so basically, everything works, it just runs slow.
[04:51] <hondje> Quest-Master: mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/point
[04:51] <NicP> ukato: i think thats a metacity thing not a gnome thing
[04:51] <Quest-Master> hondje: thanks
[04:52] <hondje> you might need mount -t filesystem /dev/fd0 /mnt/point
[04:52] <hondje> Quest-Master: You're welcome
[04:52] <eob84> eclu, yea... everything is working ok I guess
[04:52] <cmatheson> frank: i've edited my sources.list... i can get everything else from universe (dev stuff, scim, etc), but it's not bringing up mplayer for me
[04:52] <hodgman> calling me a weakling huh..we'll see about that
[04:53] <hodgman> oops wrong window
[04:53] <ukato> NicP, sorry, what's metacity? i'm waaaaay new to everything
[04:53] <hodgman> ;)
[04:53] <hondje> cmatheson: I think I got mplayer from multiverse
[04:53] <cmatheson> hodgman, multiverse?
[04:53] <NicP> metacity is the default window manager for gnome
[04:53] <cmatheson> elcu: doesn't work anymore...
[04:53] <nickrud> cmatheson, it's in multiverse, you don't need to compile
[04:53] <hodgman> cmatheson: irssi with spit windows ;)
[04:53] <eob84> eclu, I was just wondering if anyone had tried drivers that had worked for them
[04:54] <frank> cmatheson, its actually in multiverse
[04:54] <elcu> eob84: personally, id try these instructions: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto   you can always uninstall later.  just make sure you make a backup of xorg.conf
[04:54] <cmatheson> frank, nickrud: cool, do i just do the same crap as universe, except substitute universe for multiverse?
[04:55] <hondje> cmatheson: just add it after universe in sources.list
[04:55] <ukato> oh ok
[04:55] <ukato> so can i fix that?
[04:55] <hondje> then you kill 8901 birds with one stone
[04:55] <cmatheson> hondje, thanks
[04:55] <frank> cmatheson, yeah or you can just add multiverse after universe
[04:55] <NicP> ukato: fix what?
[04:55] <eob84> eclu, yea that is what I am trying
[04:55] <eob84> eclu, the drivers are downloading as we speak
[04:56] <Madpilot> hey all, still having trouble w/ lm-sensors - can't get it running
[04:56] <elcu> eob84: the fglrx driver *does* seem to support your card: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-41907-0.html (mobility 9000 is listed)
[04:56] <eob84> eclu, if it burns up the chip... it was a laptop...
[04:56] <hondje> Anyone know why you might want to turn off write cache on your IDE hdd?
[04:56] <Madpilot> I just ran sensors-detect and that worked, but my next step isn't clear
[04:56] <hondje> like hdparm -W0 /dev/hdb?
[04:56] <ukato> NicP, the window flashing
[04:56] <ukato> a la windows
[04:56] <Madpilot> I"m not getting output to xsensors yet, so I'm going to have to do something more, I think.
[04:57] <Kevin__> does anyone know how I can uninstall RealPlayer?
[04:57] <nickrud> hondje, because he's a masochist?
[04:57] <eob84> eclu, thanx for the advice
[04:57] <Quequeg> hondje, if you have no UPS and your machine loses power all of the time?
[04:57] <elcu> eob84: sure. good luck
[04:57] <daniels> ok, guys, I'd recommend not using fglrx unless you really need it
[04:57] <daniels> radeon should work out of the box for a m10 or whatever the mobility 9000 is (m9?)
[04:57] <hondje> ah, so I shall keep them on.  I wonder why the example settings in /etc/hdparm.conf had it off
[04:58] <elcu> daniels: he says he's getting choppy performance, which led me to believe he wants 3d support.
[04:59] <daniels> elcu: the m9+, I think it is, is supported for 3D with the stock radeon driver
[04:59] <nickrud> hondje, I've found that most debian configs are pretty conservative
[04:59] <daniels> since it falls in the r2xx non-igp series
[04:59] <elcu> daniels: ah.
[04:59] <frank> Madpilot, did sensors-detect tell you which modules to load?
[04:59] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> hi. who can i help?
[04:59] <hondje> nickrud: yeah, generally, but I'd imagine having a cache enabled would be more conservative
[04:59] <Glitch407x> me!
[04:59] <Glitch407x> help me lol
[04:59] <hondje> shows how much I know :)
[04:59] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> Glitch407x: what can i do for you. ;D
[04:59] <elcu> daniels: perhaps i should try and stop him then?
[04:59] <nickrud> Quequeg, had a good answer, though :)
[04:59] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> Glitch407x: i don't knwo much though.
[04:59] <elcu> eob84: hang on!
[05:00] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> just started ubuntu like a week ago. :D
[05:00] <Glitch407x> How do I just talk to you?
[05:00] <nickrud> hondje, that was for you too
[05:00] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> Glitch407x: /query alphabet[NTNWWNe
[05:00] <nickrud> tabs again
[05:00] <hondje> roger that, nickrud
[05:00] <daniels> elcu: probably a good plan, yes
[05:00] <hondje> oh, other question...why isn't /dev/shm mounted noexec?
[05:00] <hondje> that seems like a bad default to me :(
[05:01] <elcu> eob84: hang on!! don't go through with it yet!
[05:01] <Madpilot> frank: i2c-nforce2, but I thought they were loaded by sensors-detect?
[05:01] <starshine> ok, I guess I get to try to ask this again
[05:01] <elcu> :-/
[05:02] <frank> Madpilot, i don't think so
[05:02] <nickrud> starshine, the emoticon was not for you, if it lagged that way :)
[05:03] <frank> Madpilot, you have to add that module to /etc/modules   and also  sudo modprobe -i i2c-nforce2
[05:03] <starshine> nickrud: that's ok
[05:03] <frank> Madpilot, to load it this time
[05:03] <starshine> nickrud: but if anyone can answer my ubuntu livecd question I'd enjoy that
[05:04] <Kevin__> does anyone know how I can uninstall RealPlayer?
[05:04] <nickrud> starshine, you'll have to ask again
[05:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> how would i unzip something that ended in .tar.bz2.tar the extra tar is throwing me
[05:04] <Madpilot> frank: OK, thnx.
[05:04] <nickrud> BROKEN_LADDER, file <file> to see what it is
[05:04] <stuNNed> BROKEN_LADDER: tried tar jxvf file.tar.bz2.tar, and what nickrud said :)
[05:04] <starshine> I am interested in using liveCD in a nice high quality workstation, to serve up ubuntu also to a batch of lower end (about pentium 400 Mhz or so)
[05:05] <joe|code> has anyone removed Gnome from Ubuntu and opted to use Xfce4?
[05:05] <Hackmo> night all
[05:05] <daniels> starshine: right now, it cannot do a terminal server from the live CD
[05:05] <nickrud> starshine, stop right there, you'll need something better
[05:05] <daniels> starshine: partially because no-one's ever asked for it before, partially because it's difficult to fit all that in to the single CD along with everything else
[05:06] <starshine> hmm, ok, how about, if I install it to the nice box, what are the obvious packages to grab to serve it up so ?
[05:06] <Jormundgand> Just a test message; I'm setting colours on Xchat.
[05:06] <Madpilot> frank: found "i2c-nforce2.ko" - I think this is the right file?
[05:07] <starshine> Jormundgand: here's a highlight test
[05:07] <Jormundgand> starshine: Thanks.
[05:07] <frank> Madpilot, you don't need the filename
[06:18] (spinifex/#ubuntu) why did you do that?
[06:18] (crimsun_/#ubuntu) shad0w1e, and amixer output -> pastebin
[06:18] (Madpilot/#ubuntu) shad0w1e: ouch. got backups?
[06:19] (shad0w1e/#ubuntu) heh no but there was nothing really important in there
[06:19] (IcemanV9/#ubuntu) kikdadog: 'umount -f' to force umount the cd
[06:19] (shad0w1e/#ubuntu) I had to reconfigure everything tho
[06:19] (kikdadog/#ubuntu) ill try
[06:19] <ick> he did that to trick ppl in this channel to do the same
[06:19] <shad0w1e> crumsun_ amixer ???
[06:19] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, yes
[06:19] <shad0w1e> bash: amixer: command not found
[06:20] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, ... what did you do to your alsa-utils?
[06:20] <shad0w1e> ohhh
[06:20] <biff_> i can't use synaptic to update anything , keep getting errors
[06:20] <shad0w1e> I removed alsa
[06:20] <disant> shad0w1e, another story for you... i've had a utility server at work one time... processing logs, bla bla... it had 6 windoze prod boxes mounted as smb shares...  one morning I get a call from our datastorage team... "sorry we had to cancell your backups .. it took too long to finish" ... of course youd ummy.. you pulling my entire /mnt directory
[06:20] <ick> shad0w1e: you should do mv /.
[06:20] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, um?
[06:20] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ I deleted alsa and put in a newer version
[06:20] <ali4728> Can anyone help me to utilize php Mail::factory to send email?
[06:20] <shad0w1e> BECUASE the old one didnt work
[06:20] <shad0w1e> didnt help
[06:20] <mpm> http://pastebin.ca/12578 can anyone decipher these synaptic errors?  I can't get IRC in my classroom, but emailed myself the errrorlog
[06:20] <nickrud> nalioth, out of curiosity, i did that pkill on my machine first, and checked ps for it, and gam_server was the highest numbered process.
[06:20] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, but why would you have touched alsa-utils?
[06:20] <kikdadog> tells me   sudo: unmount: command not found
[06:20] <shad0w1e> If i could put back the old one that would be great but I dont know how to remove the new one
[06:21] <mpm> kikdadog: umount
[06:21] <disant> kikdadog, umount
[06:21] <shad0w1e> the new one was installed via make install
[06:21] <shad0w1e> okay let me put alsa-utils back in...
[06:21] <danko2> Ok, last one about this particular piece of SW, do you think can be fiixed: http://pastebin.com/289288 ?
[06:21] <kikdadog> k
[06:21] <IcemanV9> kikdadog: typo :) heh
[06:21] <IIIEars> "chkfontpath" to Ubuntu fonts Directory?
[06:21] <mpm> I think they left the n out of umount just to mess with people
[06:21] <spinifex> omg I just did something hilarious
[06:21] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ because removing alsa-base required it
[06:21] <shad0w1e> (to update)
[06:22] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, yeah that was a bad idea
[06:22] <shad0w1e> well it was broken before too
[06:22] <shad0w1e> how to I get out the new version
[06:22] <crimsun_> alsa-base doesn't affect your drivers, though
[06:22] <biff_> i keep getting E:/var/cache/apt/archives/.... error when tryingt to install anything
[06:22] <kikdadog> gives me a bunch of options
[06:22] <shad0w1e> it was done as a make install
[06:22] <kikdadog> -hv
[06:22] <spinifex> I ran vncviewer on my own desktop, and it opened up a window which viewed repeating and repeating instances of itself!
[06:22] <jevidl> does anyone have experience getting ESS-1879 audio drivers working under ubuntu?
[06:22] <frank> danko2, something about wrong python version?
[06:22] <stuNNed> spinifex: lol
[06:22] <Jormundgand> spinifex: Screenshot please.
[06:23] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, did you also install a newer version of alsa-lib?
[06:23] <danko2> frrank, well, you see it there, I have no more info.
[06:23] <spinifex> heh I panicked and quit it, but I'll get a screenshot this time
[06:23] <IIIEars> Ubuntu is so good you guys have made me switch off the Microsoft box for a week.
[06:23] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ NO
[06:23] <frank> danko2, I don't really kno
[06:23] <disant> spinifex, "panicked"? :)
[06:23] <danko2> rgiht, thanks.
[06:23] <nickrud> nalioth, eh, I totally miss points far too often ;\
[06:23] <shad0w1e> synaptic -> description said its useless
[06:23] <ali4728> Help I am trying to send email using php "Mail::factory" what should be the content of "include("Mail.php");"
[06:23] <shad0w1e> http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=6122
[06:23] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, did you remove libasound2* ?
[06:24] <biff_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:24] <biff_>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libnet-daemon-perl_0.38-1_all.deb
[06:24] <shad0w1e> basically I did an "ubuntu" update
[06:24] <shad0w1e> and all hell broke loose
[06:24] <nalioth> nickrud: i don't even know what pkill is
[06:24] <IIIEars> crimsun_ - Thank You. :)
[06:24] <ick> shad0w1e: be carefull not to remove your self
[06:24] <nalioth> nickrud: i'll stick with the -9 msg
[06:24] <Jormundgand> ali4728: Mail::factory is Perl. To send mail in PHP you use mail().
[06:24] <shad0w1e> libasound2 is in
[06:24] <tritium> good night all
[06:24] <Madpilot> IIIEars: now you just need to install U on that MS box... :)
[06:24] <shad0w1e> but not -dev
[06:24] <crimsun_> night mike
[06:24] <shad0w1e> shouldnt need that tho
[06:24] <jevidl> I am not even sure where to start looking for adding drivers in ubuntu for things that weren't auto detected
[06:24] <tritium> crimsun_, night Daniel
[06:24] <shad0w1e> ick: you is a funny man
[06:25] <ick> ho is mike ?
[06:25] <crimsun_> tritium is.
[06:25] <spinifex> http://people.ucsc.edu/~nretalla/vncviewer.png
[06:25] <danko2> crimsun, my Python has API version 1012, module MidiIn has version 1007. can I in any way downgrade to that version?
[06:25] <ick> im a girl
[06:25] <IIIEars> "U" = Cygwin?
[06:25] <danko2> bye, mike...
[06:25] <crimsun_> danko2, you don't want to do that. Try to recompile midiln
[06:25] <danko2> hm...:(
[06:25] <ick> who the feek is mike ?
[06:25] <Jormundgand> spinifex: Funky.
[06:25] <crimsun_> ick, Tritium was
[06:26] <spinifex> yes.  It really eats my processor when I do that
[06:26] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ when I run alsamixer, it works
[06:26] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, ok good. And amixer?
[06:26] <ick> is gkgmrl inubuntu ?
[06:26] <IIIEars> doh - never mind. - getting more confident. still fighting with the onboard i810. - a new soundblaster card should fix it.
[06:26] <shad0w1e> http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=6122
[06:26] <shad0w1e> crimsun_, http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=6122
[06:27] <ick> is firestarter better then zone alarm ?
[06:27] <shad0w1e> it says Master [Off]  though
[06:27] <cM0ss> I have a question...I am not used to debian and I installed Ubuntu 5.04.....I was not asked for a root password during install...I am asked for one while running....how do I change the root password????
[06:27] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, unmute Master, PCM, and SB Live Analog/Digital Output Jack
[06:27] <nalioth> is someone testing their AI in here?
[06:27] <danko2> well, in a straiught out battle, zone alarm would win...
[06:27] <crimsun_> cM0ss, see the topic
[06:27] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ none of the gui progs are working
[06:27] <shad0w1e> they dont find my sound
[06:28] <cM0ss> I see it...so?
[06:28] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, that's fine, we'll get to them
[06:28] <danko2> but, with weapons, firestarter is stronger...
[06:28] <Jormundgand> cMOss: You are NEVER asked for your root password.
[06:28] <shad0w1e> how do I unmute  using alsamixer
[06:28] <hodgman> where are xine and mplayer and ffmpeg far as repositories for synaptic ?
[06:28] <Jormundgand> cMOss: Enter your USER password.
[06:28] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, press 'm'
[06:28] <danko2> sfq, that is my new abbrev.
[06:28] <cM0ss> Oh....really?
[06:28] <kikdadog> the unmount thing is a no go
[06:28] <nalioth> cM0ss: see the faq(s)
[06:28] <shad0w1e> thanks
[06:28] <cM0ss> I've been asked 5 times...but ok...whatever...
[06:29] <spinifex> cM0ss: got me too the first time.  You can give root a password, but everyone here uses sudo
[06:29] <FiReWoRkS> hi, what's the command to go graphic mode?
[06:29] <spinifex> anything that's asking password will be using sudo or gksudo
[06:29] <nickrud> cM0ss, what's asking?
[06:29] <spinifex> graphic mode?
[06:29] <IcemanV9> kikdadog: try this command, 'sudo umount /media/cdrom0 -l' (assuming ur cdrom is /media/cdrom0)
[06:29] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ : done
[06:29] <Jormundgand> The disadvantage of sudo is it ruins the mood when I want to sound all authoritative and go "shutdown -h now" only for it to retort "you need to be root!".
[06:30] <nickrud> cM0ss, there are a few apps that require a root password, most don't
[06:30] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, now try playing something with aplay
[06:30] <cM0ss> I am trying to install individual packages for one...
[06:30] <ali4728> Jormundgand, I can not use my local smtp so I need to use ISP's server
[06:30] <thundrcleeze> That's a pretty small disadvantage.
[06:30] <danko2> crimsun, I got a midiIn with that program, you think I should install and replace with a newer version, it likely wont work...anyhow, a whole big deal about just one song, I wanna play a song, I should find better software that works.
[06:30] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, ( of course you need to adjust the Master and PCM volumes )
[06:30] <shad0w1e> I had to sudo aplay
[06:30] <nalioth> y'all be good (or smile a lot)
[06:30] <shad0w1e> why
[06:30] <kikdadog> i can make it disappear if i use the     sudo /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart command, but then volume manager crashes soon after
[06:30] <nickrud> cM0ss, sudo dpkg -i file , then your user password
[06:30] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, is your current user in the audio group?
[06:30] <shad0w1e> oh DONT TELL ME
[06:30] <thundrcleeze> Is there a way to adjust joystick sensitivity?
[06:30] <shad0w1e> yeah thats why
[06:30] <Jormundgand> ali4728: I believe mail() allows you to choose a server.
[06:30] <shad0w1e> grr
[06:30] <FiReWoRkS> can some one help me? i cant get to graphic mode of ubuntu 4, how do i get to it?
[06:31] <danko2> FiReWoRkS: are you in a terminal?
[06:31] <ali4728> Jormundgand, how ab . athentication?
[06:31] <jevidl> can anyone offer suggestions on how to add hardware support to my ubuntu install?
[06:31] <shad0w1e> god im an idiot
[06:31] <IcemanV9> kikdadog: well, u could restart the volume manager. *shrug*
[06:31] <shad0w1e> i saw it and I ignored it
[06:31] <FiReWoRkS> yes, i start the computer, i falls in the terminal danko2
[06:31] <danko2> FiReWoRkS: did you get errors whilke booting and installing>? usually it comes with one started, startx I think is th command.
[06:31] <shad0w1e> it said "can't open sounds/something (permission denied)
[06:31] <danko2> try alt+ctrl+7.
[06:31] <shad0w1e> and I looked right over it
[06:31] <danko2> f7
[06:32] <FiReWoRkS> hm
[06:32] <FiReWoRkS> i tried startx and nothing came up
[06:32] <kikdadog> i do, but then it still doesnt solve the cd burning question
[06:32] <tsume> breezy rocks!
[06:32] <FiReWoRkS> i checked my video configuration
[06:32] <tsume> breezy breezy breezy!
[06:32] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ : whats the best way to add my user to all the normal groops
[06:32] <danko2> haha, tsume:-p
[06:32] <FiReWoRkS> it's working perfectly
[06:32] <shad0w1e> groups*
[06:32] <FiReWoRkS> but i cant go to graphic mode
[06:32] <Jormundgand> tsume: I beg to differ. Breezy is functional but there are crinkles to iron out.
[06:32] <kikdadog> ive been working on thiss for days
[06:32] <tsume> Jormundgand: works great for me ;)
[06:32] <kikdadog> started with the add on cd
[06:33] <danko2> man this is too hard:(
[06:33] <frank> what is so better with breezy?
[06:33] <kikdadog> its the only thing holding me back from dumping windows for good
[06:33] <Jormundgand> tsume: Maybe so, but there are still crinkles. Like the volume controller not looking at devices which don't use OSS, or the package collisions meaning some vital programs aren't installable.
[06:34] <tsume> I need a sane supported scanner, anyone have a suggestion for scanning photos?
[06:34] <tsume> I need a scanner which is decent at scanning speed
[06:34] <tsume> I need to ditch using vmware/visioneer 7600 USB.
[06:34] <danko2> epson jigga.
[06:34] <spinifex> I am on a campus network with a lot of windows machines that have things shared.  Is there a way I can access their shared folders from ubuntu?
[06:34] <tsume> danko2: is it fast?
[06:34] <Jormundgand> spinifex: samba.
[06:34] <cM0ss> cool...that worked..
[06:35] <spinifex> how do I use samba?
[06:35] <IcemanV9> kikdadog: what's the model name of ur CD?
[06:35] <tsume> spinifex: big question :)
[06:35] <Jormundgand> spinifex: Should be autoconfigured. Edit /etc/samba/smb.conf to your network and restart it.
[06:35] <hodgman> anyone know a repository that has xine-ui ?
[06:35] <tsume> danko2: I thought Epson was an evil company?
[06:35] <hondje> Hi again.  Gnome just took a moderate dump on me.  Gnome-settings-daemon dies when I boot into gnome, and if I try to run it myself, I get the error ' gnome-settings-daemon: error while loading shared libraries: libxkbfile.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory'
[06:36] <hondje> That's lame, because that lib is still in /usr/X11R6/lib/libxkbfile.so.1 like yesterday....any thoughts?
[06:36] <kikdadog> i tried to get the name, but my hald is not running..grrrrrr
[06:36] <danko2> jigga...:-p anyone know why someone would get this error: http://pastebin.com/289290 ?
[06:36] <ick> why not make ubuntu a live cdrom with a hdd/usb home dir ?
[06:36] <kikdadog> i think its a cyber-drive
[06:36] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, for i in adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin; do sudo adduser $USER $i; done
[06:36] <ick> why not make ubuntu a live cdrom with a hdd/usb home dir ? so one could just burn the new version and not lose anything
[06:36] <NicP> ick because there already is a live cd
[06:37] <NicP> and people had hdds
[06:37] <NicP> which are much faster than cd drives
[06:37] <hondje> when you install something else, just don't format /home and mount it when you're done
[06:37] <ick> so ubuntu makes a home partition by deafault ?
[06:37] <hondje> I dunno what it does by default, that's what I do
[06:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm having a problem with qjackctl not being able to connect to jack. :(
[06:39] <frank> danko2, you need gdam-server, whatever that is..
[06:39] <crimsun_> ick, no. Just a /
[06:39] <hondje> beats savin gigs of data on a dongle
[06:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> i compiled the latest version of jack
[06:39] <FiReWoRkS> does this command star the graphic mode /etc/init.d/gdm start ?
[06:39] <Jormundgand> I just go with the decisions the Ubuntu installer makes.
[06:39] <ick> so how can i not format home ?!
[06:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> it starts the gdm
[06:39] <danko2> ty, Frank, lots:)
[06:39] <nickrud> FiReWoRkS, yes
[06:39] <NicP> have it as a differenet mount
[06:39] <hondje> ick: By not having it all on one partition :)
[06:39] <FiReWoRkS> why doesnt it work with me nickrud ?
[06:39] <frank> danko2, try understanding the error messages.  ;-)
[06:39] <ick> but it seems ubuntu dont makes home in a seprate partition !
[06:39] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ How do I restart the audio server?
[06:39] <hondje> ick: by default
[06:39] <nickrud> FiReWoRkS, does it try?
[06:39] <hondje> you can make all you want...I usually put /home, /var and /tmp in their own partitions
[06:39] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, which audio server?
[06:39] <shad0w1e> I added myself to audio
[06:40] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, so log out and back in
[06:40] <shad0w1e> but it still aint working
[06:40] <IcemanV9> kikdadog: hmm. dunno about it. mine was QSI. it has a problem with blanking CDRW disc. found the solution from bug database. now, it works as long as i add one parameter '-immed'.
[06:40] <FiReWoRkS> no, it says something like this command doest not exist
[06:40] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ ahh
[06:40] <shad0w1e> brb. thanks
[06:40] <nickrud> FiReWoRkS, /var/log/Xorg.0.log should tell you something
[06:40] <FiReWoRkS> ok
[06:40] <FiReWoRkS> i'll take a loot
[06:40] <FiReWoRkS> i'll take a look
[06:41] <hondje> So, no one have any thoughts on how to make gnome-settings-daemon see /usr/X11R6/lib/libxkbfile.so.1?
[06:41] <ick> ubuntu should make this partitions or one might never instal a new version out of fear of losing its /home
[06:41] <hondje> most people back up their important stuff and don't care about the rest
[06:41] <hondje> Though I think that's a better default, too
[06:41] <_luke> do you think ubuntu will make a good webserver running apache2?
[06:42] <NicP> ick: you shouldnt have to upgrade to another version anyway
[06:42] <NicP> apt takes care of that for you
[06:42] <JDahl> _luke, yes, it should be fine for that...
[06:43] <ick> apt install new kernels too ?
[06:43] <hondje> yes
[06:43] <danko2> crimsun, do I want this package: xlib6g?
[06:43] <ick> and changes grub and stuff ?
[06:43] <hondje> ick: yep
[06:43] <ick> wich is better grub ir lilo ?
[06:43] <NicP> whats with the "better" questions
[06:44] <redboar> is there an IRC client comparable to Miranda for Windoze that I can install?
[06:44] <spinifex> stop asking about "better" and try things.  Different distros will use grub or lilo by default.  Some say grub is better
[06:44] <redboar> u gotta use lilo with xfs
[06:44] <ick> better like 1 safe 2 easy 3 fetures
[06:44] <spinifex> it depends on the situation
[06:44] <crimsun_> danko2, it's not necessary
[06:44] <hondje> depends on what you define easy as, and what features matter to you
[06:45] <NicP> next time u have a better question
[06:45] <spinifex> yes, better
[06:45] <NicP> the answer is "it depends"
[06:45] <jrincon87> does anybody know how do I fix the "Failed to initialize HAL" error?
[06:45] <redboar> what is a good IRC client to apt-get, more for a client standpoint?
[06:45] <ick> on what ?
[06:45] <spinifex> ask us about something you care about
[06:45] <hondje> redboar: I like xchat
[06:45] <NicP> that also depends
[06:45] <redboar> how about bitchx?
[06:45] <jrincon87> (HAL was working ok before)
[06:45] <spinifex> hondje: I don't like xchat
[06:45] <cM0ss> Another question....I just installed gkrellm....in my other linux it install to usr/bin/gkrellm........apparantly debian is different...anyone got any ideas?? I did slocate and it only shows docs...
[06:46] <\Grooby\> that's interesting
[06:46] <NicP> i used to not like xchat
[06:46] <crimsun_> cM0ss, it's also /usr/bin/gkrellm
[06:46] <NicP> now ive gotten to know it i like it :D
[06:46] <\Grooby\> can someone help me out...i was able to do this in centos but not in ubuntu.....I want to setup raid1 for / and my swap
[06:46] <crimsun_> cM0ss, slocate only updates once per night unless you manually invoke it
[06:46] <redboar> OK
[06:46] <cM0ss> just installed and updated..
[06:46] <hondje> try which gkrellm
[06:46] <\Grooby\> but during install, creating swap seems to fail
[06:46] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ my sound still doesnt seem to work
[06:46] <danko2> I have this pastebin: http://pastebin.com/289291 , and I think this is the error part: gdam-common depends on xlib6g; however:  Package xlib6g is not installed.
[06:46] <ick> can we have ubuntu install apps in each owne dir like pc-bsd ?
[06:46] <spinifex> is there a way to use something like vncviewer from windows?
[06:47] <nickrud> cM0ss, and if you're not sure what the command for the package is, you can dpkg -L | grep bin
[06:47] <shad0w1e> spinifex: of course
[06:47] <spinifex> heh, when I ask that, I mean to ask for a hint as to how
[06:47] <ick> can we have ubuntu install apps in each owne dir like pc-bsd ? with all the libs built in ?
[06:47] <nickrud> cM0ss, of course put the package name before the pipe :)
[06:47] <hodgman> anyone know of a repository what has xine-ui ?
[06:48] <danko2> thanks, crimsun, that is what apt-get install said, 2, but, this dpkg -i for this program wants it.
[06:48] <ick> can we have ubuntu install apps in each owne dir like pc-bsd ? with all the libs built in ? ready for jailrooting
[06:48] <hondje> gnome-settings-daemon: error while loading shared libraries: libxkbfile.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory....but it's in /usr/X11R6/lib/ as it should be. Anyone have an idea?
[06:48] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, what sound server are you using?
[06:48] <danko2> Ill ask again, maybe someone new came...does anyone know of a program for djing, kinda, I need a decks(gramophone) emulator.
[06:48] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ no idea
[06:48] <shad0w1e> none?
[06:49] <nickrud> hodgman, xine-ui is in universe
[06:49] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, are you using gnome? kde? Xfce?
[06:49] <shad0w1e> kde
[06:50] <ick> can we have ubuntu install apps in each owne dir like pc-bsd ? with all the libs built in ? ready for jailrooting
[06:50] <shad0w1e> should I log into gnome and see if sound works THERE ?
[06:50] <hondje> ick: No
[06:50] <ick> why not ?
[06:51] <hondje> Because that's not how debian et al are set up
[06:51] <ick> no one anserd it
[06:51] <nickrud> ick, ubuntu seems to follow debian policy, and that's a no no, iirc
[06:51] <ick> iirc ?
[06:51] <nickrud> lol
[06:51] <spinifex> "If I Recall Correctly"
[06:52] <ick> what iirc ?
[06:52] <salbee> hondje i had a problem like that check the .conf to see if runasuser is set to yes
[06:52] <spinifex> I just said
[06:52] <ick> what iirc means ?
[06:52] <spinifex> chat acronyms are pointless, imho
[06:52] <redboar> I love xine
[06:52] <zenrox> lol
[06:52] <\sh> spinifex: hehe ;)
[06:52] <nickrud> they can be good disclaimers, though :)
[06:52] <NicP> lol
[06:52] <hondje> salbee: which .conf?
[06:52] <hodgman> nickrud: thanks :)
[06:52] <AndyFitz> redboar,  and xine loves everybody
[06:52] <hodgman> nickrud: guess I should have looked at the sources list first ;)
[06:52] <nickrud> hodgman, np
[06:52] <ali4728> Help I am trying to send email using php "Mail::factory" what should be the content of "include("Mail.php");" file?
[06:53] <salbee> hondje what package are you trying to install
[06:53] <redboar> :p
[06:53] <shad0w1e> _crimsun , what was that thing you told me to do, to play a file from the console ?
[06:53] <hondje> salbee: None
[06:53] <hodgman> guess I should read the docs some one line
[06:53] <nickrud> hodgman, if you haven't, enable multiverse as well
[06:53] <danko2> seems one finally worked, we'll see.
[06:53] <hodgman> nickrud: will do
[06:53] <salbee> hondje : ok then
[06:53] <hondje> I rebooted to make sure my changes to /etc/hdparm.com were good, and it died as I logged into gnome
[06:53] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, aplay
[06:53] <redboar> yeah and backports while you're at it
[06:53] <hondje> before, I rebooted this morning or last for the kernel update
[06:53] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ thanks
[06:53] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, so you're using arts?
[06:53] <AndyFitz> anyone know how to dist-downgrade :-)  yes i was silly
[06:54] <crimsun_> AndyFitz, you don't.
[06:54] <crimsun_> AndyFitz, you pin your target repo to > 1000 and use dist-upgrade
[06:54] <crimsun_> AndyFitz, man apt_preferences
[06:54] <AndyFitz> crimsun,  bugger hey,  so no rollback config ?
[06:54] <crimsun_> ( I said this last night iirc )
[06:54] <john_> does anyone know any way to import mail in a outlook 2003 .pst file to evolution?
[06:54] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ no way of knowing
[06:54] <shad0w1e> crumsun_ aplay gives me STATIC!!
[06:54] <\sh> AndyFitz: just like with redhat ... upgrade is easy thank to rhn but downgrade is a pain in da ***
[06:54] <NicP> linux cant read .pst files john_
[06:55] <danko2> Man, I get an error in this one as well:( It does not seem to use alsa, can you make a random program use ALSA?
[06:55] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, static is better than nothing :)
[06:55] <jsgotangco> AndyFitz!
[06:55] <shad0w1e> true dat
[06:55] <shad0w1e> at least somethings workign
[06:55] <AndyFitz> crimsun,  target repo to > 1000  ,   what do you mean
[06:55] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, so make sure you've set arts to release the sound device after 2 seconds idle
[06:55] <shad0w1e> let me try a diff mp3
[06:55] <killapop> john_: u'd have to bring em in as mbox format
[06:55] <crimsun_> AndyFitz, man apt_preferences
[06:55] <AndyFitz> like is this in sources.conf ?
[06:55] <shad0w1e> no idea where or how arts is..
[06:55] <AndyFitz> oh
[06:55] <john_> how would i do that killapop?
[06:55] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, in KDE's control panel/center
[06:55] <danko2> man program, I guess:)
[06:56] <AndyFitz> crimsun,  cheers mate :)
[06:56] <crimsun_> np
[06:56] <shad0w1e> auto-suspend?
[06:56] <shad0w1e> its set to 60 seconds
[06:57] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, yes, set it to 1 or 2 seconds
[06:57] <shad0w1e> error while initializing the sound driver
[06:57] <rixth> Okay. I've just had TWO harddrives fail on me within TWO days (Seagate & Maxtor, both 80gb non SATA). I know this may be off topic, but couldf anyone reccomend a reliable brand? (both drives were less than a year old, so I willb e going for a warranty claim...)
[06:58] <shad0w1e> device /dev/dsp cant be opened
[06:58] <shad0w1e> (permission denied)
[06:58] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ : That mean anything?
[06:58] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, with aplay? That would be very odd...
[06:58] <\sh> AndyFitz: are u in raleigh?
[06:58] <shad0w1e> nooo
[06:58] <shad0w1e> with KDE
[06:58] <shad0w1e> when I restart the sound system
[06:58] <danko2> crimsun, if I normally use esd, and I guess alsa, and now I have a program that wants to use OSS, what could I possibly do?
[06:58] <shad0w1e> and every time I start up KDE
[06:59] <ick> shad0w1e: you seem to be in deep troubles
[06:59] <nickrud> danko2, get a card that does hardware mixing
[06:59] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, set it to use alsa, not oss
[06:59] <danko2> it tells me that output device could not be opened.
[06:59] <crimsun_> danko2, you could kill esd
[06:59] <ick> why dont you shut off irc and start fixing them ?
[06:59] <danko2> k, thank you I will try that.
[06:59] <danko2> thanks, nickrud:)
[06:59] <danko2> does it autospawn?
[06:59] <shad0w1e> It was on auto detect
[06:59] <shad0w1e> now I get:
[07:00] <redboar> rixth go to newegg.com they got good prices for everything but I can't recommend any brand
[07:00] <shad0w1e> device: default can't be opened for playback (permission denied)
[07:00] <nickrud> danko2, esd, no
[07:00] <jsgotangco> john_, you have to convert your pst to mbox format. I did that thing a while back, i imported my outlook to mozilla-thunderbird and moved the files to evolution :)
[07:00] <pulse^deaN> hey guys anyone able to help me with my windows XP > Ubuntu network?
[07:00] <pulse^deaN> might have to PM
[07:00] <john_> k thanks
[07:00] <rixth> redboar, I'm in New Zealand :) What would be a good general-computer channel to try?
[07:00] <danko2> ok, I sudo killall esd, and it gives no error, and then I try again the same thing, and get the same error about not opening sound device.
[07:01] <jsgotangco> john_, when your email is in mbox format, you can move mails between thunderbird and evolution
[07:01] <redboar> sorry I don't know I'm a newbie to IRC
[07:01] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, is that what happens when you use alsa for arts's backend?
[07:01] <danko2> it is dead, tho,. cause if I killlall again, no process killed.
[07:01] <jsgotangco> i think eudora also support mbox
[07:01] <crimsun_> danko2, what application?
[07:01] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ not sure: In KDE's sound optins I selected alsa
[07:01] <danko2> some weird one. mixxx1.4.2.
[07:01] <redboar> I'm a recovering Yahoo addict
[07:01] <shad0w1e> and yes I got that...
[07:01] <danko2> I want a decks emulator.
[07:01] <Madpilot> rixth: if you've had two HDD die so quickly, you might want to check your PSU. voltage fluctuations can kill stuff...
[07:01] <shad0w1e> heh
[07:01] <shad0w1e> Informational - artsmessage
[07:01] <shad0w1e> there we go
[07:01] <shad0w1e> !
[07:02] <pulse^deaN> anyone help me soon :D
[07:02] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, ok what happens when you use aplay -Dplughw:0,0 foo.wav ?
[07:02] <john_> is there a way to have evolution have the reading panel on the right like outlook 2003/thunderbird?
[07:02] <crimsun_> BROKEN_LADDER, you didn't need to recompile jackd. Ubuntu already has the latest.
[07:02] <danko2> the program lokos pretty cool, tho, gtk, and that.
[07:03] <danko2> sound API cvould not be initialized.
[07:03] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ I was playing an mp3
[07:03] <danko2> anyhow, Ill try something.
[07:03] <shad0w1e> is that a bad thing?
[07:03] <redboar> what's a good brand of UPS?
[07:03] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, aplay accepts wavs not mp3s
[07:03] <shad0w1e> ahhh
[07:03] <shad0w1e> idiot me
[07:03] <shad0w1e> one sec
[07:03] <killapop> john_: u mean a message preview below the message list?
[07:03] <danko2> YES!!!!
[07:03] <danko2> Thank you crimsun, as always:)
[07:03] <Madpilot> redboar: PSU, not UPS. I've got a Zalman, they're a little bit $$$ but very highly reviewed.
[07:04] <crimsun_> danko2, np
[07:04] <danko2> and others, thanks.
[07:04] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ works like a charm now
[07:04] <danko2> I would like to thank, the Man above first, off course, my mom,..all my friends...
[07:04] <abarbaccia> hey all - anybody would know how to install ubuntu onto a laptop that has no cdrom drive, and has windows installed as of now
[07:04] <john_> yeah like that except its on the right side
[07:04] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, even through arts, or just aplay?
[07:04] <Razor-X> PSU == Power Supply Unit
[07:04] <shad0w1e> just aplay
[07:04] <john_> instead of the preview on the bottom
[07:04] <Razor-X> UPS == Universal Power Supply
[07:05] <redboar> how about APC and I'm talking about the UPS I kinda switched gears
[07:05] <Razor-X> or United States Postal Service
[07:05] <Razor-X> errr, Universal
[07:05] <redboar> LOL
[07:05] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, ok. In your arts configuration in KDE's control panel/center, can you specify an ALSA device?
[07:05] <limer> Razor-X: nahhh, USPS == United States Postal Service
[07:05] <Razor-X> there's a pretty big differentce between PSU and UPS
[07:05] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ : no
[07:05] <limer> UPS == United Parcel Service (?)
[07:05] <Razor-X> limer: 's why I corrected my self
[07:05] <limer> :P
[07:05] <redboar> I had a PSU fry last year from a lightning strike, luckily it didn't go beyond that
[07:06] <abarbaccia> hey all - anybody would know how to install ubuntu onto a laptop that has no cdrom drive, and has windows installed as of now
[07:06] <shad0w1e> I can select "Advanced Linux Sound Architecture"
[07:06] <shad0w1e> (alsa)
[07:06] <Madpilot> redboar: afraid I've lost you... I think your Power Supply Unit - the thing at the back of your tower - is possibly borked
[07:06] <Razor-X> abarbaccia: network install
[07:06] <limer> Razor-X: I must be anal without alcohol tonight ;)
[07:06] <limer> sry bout that bro :D
[07:06] <Madpilot> redboar: ... that that's what killed those two drives
[07:06] <Razor-X> limer: heh
[07:06] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, it should also give you a place to enter an ALSA device
[07:06] <abarbaccia> Razor-X, how does this work exactly?
[07:06] <redboar> I switched gears I'm not talking about the PSU
[07:07] <nickrud> pulse^deaN, it looks like there aren't any network guys around, but some do hang out here
[07:07] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ NOpe, dont see
[07:07] <redboar> I'm looking for a UPS with a good rep
[07:07] <shad0w1e> also,
[07:07] <danko2> The whiole thing was cause I like one song, but the guy sings it too fast...UI wanted to slow it down...I needed a mixer program:)
[07:07] <shad0w1e> midi device has nothing in the list
[07:07] <Razor-X> abarbaccia: you have a LAN you can hook the laptop up to?
[07:07] <_phate_> I'm having a networking issue. when I first installed ubuntu it could download my maximum speed (315kbps) but now it won't download anything faster then 24kbps. I'm certain that it is a config issue cause when I boot windows everything works just fine. Any Help?
[07:07] <limer> redboar: APC is usually rated highly
[07:07] <abarbaccia> Razor-X, yes i do
[07:07] <redboar> OK thanks
[07:07] <gorilla_> abarbaccia, you can install ubuntu from a boot flopy then network install...
[07:07] <judari> whats the command to probe your sound card in term?
[07:07] <NicP> Razor-X, UPS = uninteruptable power supply
[07:07] <limer> redboar: can't vouch for the very low end consumer models though
[07:07] <Razor-X> abarbaccia: good, and an internet connection that the LAN has access tooL
[07:08] <Razor-X> NicP: ahhh, sorry
[07:08] <abarbaccia> Razor-X, i got all of that
[07:08] <Madpilot> redboar: sorry, i don't run a UPS... I don't even have a very good surge protector/pwr bar protecting my stuff right now...
[07:08] <redboar> PSUs all went up in price in the last few years it's insane
[07:08] <redboar> neither do I
[07:08] <Razor-X> abarbaccia: now lemme go on google and get you started
[07:08] <limer> I just bought a psu for $15 from chiefvalue.com
[07:08] <redboar> the PSU I bought cost $35 and that's for a cheapo model
[07:09] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, you can't even select hw:0,0 ?
[07:09] <limer> and I love it :D
[07:09] <shad0w1e> theres no place to select as far as I see
[07:09] <abarbaccia> Razor-X, thank you for all the help - im switching a friend over to linux and want to show him the light
[07:09] <redboar> yeah I'd have ordered one from the 'net but I have one PC and it was down
[07:09] <dr_willis> i had a cheap PSU take out several hd's  once. :(
[07:09] <Razor-X> is the site down?
[07:09] <Madpilot> redboar: my Zalman 400W cost about $100 Cdn...
[07:09] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ care for a screen shot?
[07:09] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, yes please
[07:09] <redboar> damn
[07:09] <Razor-X> abarbaccia: glad to be of service ;)
[07:09] <geneo93> powmax is what i have dual ballbearing fans
[07:09] <pulse^deaN> :(
[07:10] <redboar> for that PSU you better not need a UPS ;)
[07:10] <danko2> pulse^deaN: what was your issue?
[07:10] <danko2> Give more info, write something out.
[07:10] <pulse^deaN> network trouble can i prive message u?
[07:10] <geneo93> well its 400 watt
[07:11] <danko2> sure, you can try, I am a newb, tho, I have some tshooting training...
[07:11] <geneo93> this is a dually
[07:11] <Madpilot> the Zalmans are nice and quiet... too bad my CPU fan isn't :(
[07:12] <geneo93> pulse^deaN:  sudo ifconfig
[07:12] <crimsun_> judari, for what sound card?
[07:12] <levander`> Anybody here using mysql?  How come they decided not to make mysql 4.1 and auto-upgrade from mysql 4.0? They changed the name of the package to mysql-server-4.1, so myqsl-server doesn't auto-upgrade to it?
[07:12] <shad0w1e> ftp://clubcorruption.net/snapshot1.png
[07:12] <geneo93> see what the mtu is
[07:12] <shad0w1e> grr
[07:12] <Razor-X> abarbaccia: can you plug in another linux box into that network?
[07:12] <shad0w1e> I mean
[07:12] <shad0w1e> http
[07:12] <shad0w1e> http://clubcorruption.net/snapshot1.png
[07:12] <Madpilot> good Tom's article on new PSUs: http://www.tomshardware.com/howto/20050228/index.html
[07:13] <judari> crimsun: it's a soundblaster ISA card. Not sure which soundblaster though..
[07:13] <gorilla_> levander, offically Mysql 4.1 is the new stable... but the auto upgrade thing annoyed me also :-(
[07:14] <levander`> gorilla_: was it a big deal for you to upgrade from 4.0 to 4.1?  Looks like I'm going to have to do that tomorrow.
[07:14] <crimsun_> judari, can you tell me via lspnp ?
[07:14] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ : http://clubcorruption.net/snapshot1.png
[07:14] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, actually you can
[07:14] <shad0w1e> where!/
[07:14] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, see the override device location?
[07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun uhh..apparently i had to recompile jackd because some app wouldn't work with the version i had.
[07:14] <gorilla_> levander, nope... very straight forward... didn't have to backup the data but did as a precaution only..
[07:14] <shad0w1e> yes
[07:14] <shad0w1e> what do i do there
[07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> maybe all i needed in the end was some header files.
[07:15] <crimsun_> BROKEN_LADDER, that doesn't make any sense, since you would have compiled the exact same version...
[07:15] <crimsun_> BROKEN_LADDER, perhaps
[07:15] <_phate_> Anyhelp guys?
[07:15] <krozgrov> Does ATI have any drivers worth a Damn ?
[07:15] <shad0w1e> argh some dumb bitch just hung up on me
[07:15] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, specify plughw:0,0
[07:15] <shad0w1e> thing is she keeps calling me
[07:15] <shad0w1e> grr
[07:15] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, (language please)
[07:15] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ wil do
[07:15] <shad0w1e> sorry
[07:15] <levander`> gorilla_: you know a guide to backing up the data? I know about /var/lib/mysql, but not sure if there's anything else.
[07:16] <krozgrov> Is anyone playing WoW with Cedega?
[07:16] <judari> crimsun: Is lspnp a command? I tried typing it in term and it says command not found..
[07:16] <blew> I'm trying to issue a command with sudo but I still get Permission denied, is there anything way to gain privileges
[07:16] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ I got the same permission denied
[07:16] <reisio> what's breezy?
[07:16] <shad0w1e> its the new ubuntu but its still in beta
[07:16] <limer> Madpilot: good article, thx
[07:16] <nickrud> blew, what command is it?
[07:16] <danko2> phate, um, do you have a rouiter?
[07:17] <danko2> do y ou have a firewall?
[07:17] <reisio> limer: article on what?
[07:17] <gorilla_> levander, I have always done a mysqldump -a -uroot -p > mysql_dump.sql
[07:17] <limer> PSUs
[07:17] <danko2> nothing other than that would slow it down, shut every device off gthen on,.
[07:17] <blew> nickrud, echo "quake3.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss
[07:17] <Madpilot> limer: np. i spent a LOT of time on Tom's before assembling my current system earlier this yr!
[07:17] <danko2> COntact your ISP, make them check everything is fine to the modem.
[07:17] <krozgrov> I'm only getting like 12FPS, can't even get wow to play in openGL using the Binaries
[07:17] <platsajack> Whats the name of the .file that usally resides in the home/username directory that StartX looks at for startup programs?
[07:17] <reisio> platsajack: ~/.xinitrc ?
[07:17] <IIIEars>      "Breezy Badger" isn't set for public release until Sepptember.
[07:17] <abarbaccia> Razor-X, if needed i can bring the laptop to my house...
[07:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun can i paste something in #flood for you to look at?
[07:17] <limer> Madpilot: I avoided Tom's until today after I heard about some of the "kickbacks" they accepted . . . ah well
[07:18] <levander`> gorilla_: yeah, cool, forgot about mysqldump, I wrote down how you use that command, is a little diff than how I use it
[07:18] <nickrud> blew, heh, I don't poke stuff into proc often, so I can't say why sudo won't
[07:18] <conover> Anyone using xfig on Ubuntu?
[07:18] <reisio> platsajack: what wm/de are you using and how do you start X?
[07:18] <Madpilot> reisio: this article on PSUs: http://www.tomshardware.com/howto/20050228/index.html
[07:18] <nickrud> blew, you can get root perms by sudo -i, it gets you a root shell
[07:18] <levander`> gorilla_: did you just "sudo apt-get remove --purge mysql-server && sudo apt-get install mysql-server-4.1"?
[07:18] <danko2> _phate_: I sent you some messages above.
[07:18] <blew> nickrud, I'm having problems running quake 3 and teamspeak at the same time and I'm going through a walk through and the last of it says issue these commands
[07:18] <crimsun_> BROKEN_LADDER, sure
[07:18] <blew> nickrud, Thanks I'll try that
[07:18] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ : aplay worked without anything special
[07:19] <shad0w1e> without the extra thing
[07:19] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, ok, how about using OSS?
[07:19] <Madpilot> limer: aside from heaps of free hardware, what kickbacks? the reviews mostly seem fair...
[07:19] <reisio> Madpilot: nice image
[07:19] <gorilla_> levander, whatever you are comfortable with :-) You can backup the /var/lib/mysql directory as a tarball..
[07:19] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ NOW i get a no such file or directory
[07:19] <shad0w1e> when using plughw:0,0
[07:19] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, using OSS?
[07:19] <shad0w1e> yes
[07:19] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, wait are you using plughw:0,0 with OSS?
[07:19] <levander`> gorilla_: but that's the basic idea with installing the new mysql server? Just wanna verify so I don't screw everything up and create myself and extra day or two of work.
[07:19] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ yes
[07:19] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, you should only use plughw:0,0 with ALSA
[07:20] <AlwaysModest> anyone using the ppc version?
[07:20] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ gotit
[07:20] <judari> crimsu: Is lspnp a command? I tried it and it says command not found..
[07:20] <limer> Madpilot: I can't remember who called them out as it's been so long . . . but they were caught taking sums of money for "wink wink" type reviews
[07:20] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ now its back to the same old permission denied error
[07:20] <crimsun_> judari, you must not have pcmcia-cs installed
[07:20] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[07:21] <limer> Madpilot: not sure it matters, hard to remain unbiased when so much money is thrown your way.
[07:21] <limer> ever notice the review sites that don't take the goodies don't seem to be around long?
[07:21] <gorilla_> levander, actually try apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 and see if it will updat the databases itself.
[07:21] <gorilla_> levander, after you do a backup of course :-)
[07:21] <Madpilot> limer: interesting to know. their hardware reviews generally seem fair & accurate, tho.
[07:21] <crimsun_> judari, if you can't use lspnp from the pcmcia-cs package, then please open the case and read the make & model from the card
[07:21] <levander`> gorilla_: okay, i'll prolly try your way first thing in the morning, and yeah, lol, i will *definitely* back up first.
[07:22] <krozgrov> Is anyone playing WoW with Cedega?
[07:22] <limer> I remember when storagereview.com had to close down b/c they just didn't have a good "business" model at the time
[07:22] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> oh yeah
[07:22] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> question
[07:22] <judari> crimsun:  ct4170 is the model # ..
[07:22] <mlambie> i've added an 'eclipse' group, and 'adduser mlambie eclipse', but when as mlambie I run "groups" it doesn't show me as a member, but if I run "groups mlambie" it does. do i need to refresh the group cache or something?
[07:22] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> HOW DO I USE WINDOZ APPS ON UBUNTU?
[07:23] <Madpilot> alphabet[NTNWWNe: Um, you don't.
[07:23] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> wha
[07:23] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> i thought there was a way.
[07:23] <AlwaysModest> anyone using ubuntu on a mac?
[07:23] <mlambie> alphabet[NTNWWNe: you can use crossover office, or wine. check those applications out
[07:23] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> called wine or something.
[07:23] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> yeah.
[07:23] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> kk
[07:23] <IIIEars> alphabet - wien, winex, qemu, or best Cedega
[07:23] <levander`> alphabet[NTNWWNe: wine, but it's a pain, i'd just use native linux apps
[07:23] <IIIEars> lol *wine
[07:23] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> yeah but there's no dreamweaver for linux. :(
[07:23] <krozgrov> Does ATI have any drivers worth a Damn ?
[07:23] <levander`> alphabet[NTNWWNe: try nvu
[07:23] <mlambie> alphabet[NTNWWNe: we have vim instead ;)
[07:23] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> oic.
[07:24] <levander`> alphabet[NTNWWNe: also, i think openoffice has a wysiwyg html editor
[07:24] <levander`> alphabet[NTNWWNe: but i'm not positive
[07:24] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> bah
[07:24] <killapop> alphabet[NTNWWNe: yes i second NVu
[07:24] <IIIEars> nvu :)
[07:24] <reisio> Nvu
[07:24] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> kk.
[07:24] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> Nvu!
[07:24] <_phate_> sorry danko2 missed your messeges, I have both and they are setup correctly.
[07:24] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> wonder if that'll work.
[07:24] <reisio> if you don't like Nvu, then actually LEARN HTML, CSS, etc and get a good text editor
[07:24] <levander`> alphabet[NTNWWNe: doesn't like what? openoffice? openoffice is just a straight microsoft office clone.
[07:24] <killapop> alphabet[NTNWWNe: Theres also Mozilla composer
[07:25] <crimsun_> judari, more than likely you'll need to use snd-sb16
[07:25] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> oic.
[07:25] <crimsun_> judari, if that doesn't work, you'll have to fall back on snd-sb8
[07:25] <levander`> killapop: does ubuntu have mozilla (not firefox) packages?
[07:25] <reisio> Nvu is based off Mozilla composer and will basically be replacing it
[07:25] <Madpilot> alphabet[NTNWWNe: or bluefish, which seems good & is installed in Ubuntu by default
[07:25] <crimsun_> levander`, yes
[07:25] <reisio> Bluefish is quite decent
[07:25] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> Madpilot: it wansn't for me. =(
[07:25] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> but i wrote all these down
[07:25] <nickrud> bluefish
[07:25] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> i'll try it after school.
[07:25] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> but for now, sleep.
[07:25] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> g/night
[07:26] <IIIEars> G'night
[07:26] <killapop> levander nopes dunno
[07:26] <reisio> bluefish is better when you turn off all the default panels :p
[07:26] <_phate_> I can even remove the router/firewall and it does the samething
[07:26] <killapop> reisio: have u tried screem?
[07:26] <judari> crimsun: is there a howto to get the soundcard working. how do i use or install snd-sb16 ?
[07:26] <Madpilot> does bluefish include customizable panels? it doesn't seem to  but I haven't spent much time w/ it yet
[07:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun going to #flood now
[07:26] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ :  lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*   returns NOTHING
[07:26] <reisio> killapop: nope
[07:27] <reisio> Madpilot: I think it has at least one
[07:27] <reisio> Madpilot: panel you can customize
[07:27] <danko123456> where is that guy, I forgot his name:)
[07:27] <nickrud> Madpilot, yes, it's been a while, but it nagged me until I put something on it :)
[07:27] <danko123456> sorry, guy:)
[07:27] <agt> Is there a command to display what version of X I have installed?
[07:27] <reisio> I don't really care for using the mouse much, so it doesn't mean much to me
[07:27] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, ok. Try removing plughw:0,0 from overridden device options and putting it in the space below
[07:27] <crimsun_> agt, X -version
[07:27] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ : using alsa, right?
[07:27] <agt> ta
[07:27] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, yes
[07:27] <Madpilot> nickrud: OK, that panel that gets mentioned every startup! :) must play w/ Bluefish more...
[07:28] <crimsun_> judari, you might try the wiki
[07:28] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ same permission denied error
[07:28] <killapop> reisio: i use screem. u might want to try it.
[07:28] <crimsun_> judari, basically you'll need to make sure PnP is disabled in your kernel, and you'll need to pass isapnp=0 to modprobe
[07:28] <killapop> reisio: what about quanta?
[07:28] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, ok. What options do you have for sound servers in that menu?
[07:29] <reisio> killapop: looking at screem - looks like a lot more GUI than I need
[07:29] <nickrud> Madpilot, I've only had to do website, and bluefish and w3c got me through it.
[07:29] <shad0w1e> autodetect, OSS, ALSA, none, enlightened, networked, and threaded OSS
[07:29] <reisio> killapop: I only really care for GUI so it matches my other windows, has nice tabs and possibly a document selector/tree
[07:29] <crimsun_> BROKEN_LADDER, what are you connecting to jackd?
[07:29] <nickrud> Madpilot, one :)
[07:29] <killapop> reisio: ok. i understand - it willl probly be overkill for ya then
[07:29] <reisio> killapop: ya, but good to know - one more thing to recommend people
[07:29] <judari> crimsun: is there a command i can type to probe the kernel to see if pnp is disabled?
[07:29] <crimsun_> BROKEN_LADDER, also what user are you invoking qjackctl (and possible jackd) as?
[07:30] <crimsun_> judari, might say in dmesg, though you need to check in BIOS
[07:30] <reisio> killapop: will try it anyways - I assume I'll be able to disable/not use what I don't care for
[07:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> gf on the phone ...
[07:30] <killapop> reisio: what about quanta? nice support for webdav etc
[07:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun this was working before
[07:30] <Madpilot> nickrud: i maintain a couple of websites. HTML/CSS is a lot of fun...
[07:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm connecting as me
[07:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> the only thing I did was installed jack from source..
[07:31] <killapop> reisio: i still ended up using bluefish after everything :)
[07:31] <nickrud> Madpilot, I enjoyed it, but don't have much call to use it. Although, now that I have a decent connection, I might play around a bit.
[07:31] <Merlik> quick apache question:  RewriteRule ^(?!Main)(.*)$ Main/$1  <-- why does that cause an internal server error?
[07:32] <reisio> killapop: sounds like overkill, too
[07:32] <reisio> killapop: it's Qt?
[07:32] <reisio> killapop: really anything that calls itself and "environment" I tend to veer away from
[07:32] <crimsun_> BROKEN_LADDER, then you'll need to recompile qjackctl against the newer jackd
[07:32] <killapop> reisio: haha ok
[07:33] <crimsun_> well, the newer jack libs
[07:33] <Adross> hey gang, what wacky shenigans are you all up to?
[07:33] <reisio> s/and/an
[07:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun oh..bizarre.
[07:33] <killapop> reisio: im still in month 2 of having been ubuntuised so im going thru the throes of package sampling overdrive
[07:33] <Adross> anyway, i'm thinking of getting the nintendo revolution, but i want to play it on my computer, through a tvout card. Which cards are there that will work with linux?
[07:34] <jsgotangco> wow you're really planning ahead :D
[07:34] <bob2> Deep7: no
[07:34] <reisio> killapop: ubuntuised from what?
[07:34] <geneo93> BROKEN_LADDER:  have you used jackrack
[07:34] <killapop> reisio: windows
[07:34] <reisio> killapop: cool
[07:34] <daniels> Adross: um, what you want is a TV in card, rather than TV out
[07:35] <nickrud> killapop, lol, it's an addiction :)
[07:35] <danko123456> Adross: Thats awesome, I love your combination,  an emulator on a computer, then played on the TV thjrough the tv out...:)
[07:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> geneo93 never heard of it
[07:35] <daniels> Adross: unless you want to display what's on your computer through the TV while the Revolution just sort of sits there
[07:35] <Adross> daniels: details, details
[07:35] <judari> crimsun: how can I send you a private message on here?  I clipped some of dmesg and I wanted to see what you thought?
[07:35] <Adross> tv in card, whats one that will work on linux?
[07:35] <killapop> nickrud: i second that - i havent gotten any work done for a while
[07:35] <Madpilot> "ubuntuized" - l like that word... :)
[07:35] <crimsun_> judari, use http://pastebin.com
[07:35] <daniels> killapop: according to gatos.sf.net, many of the ATI All in Wonder Radeons work with Linux for TV in
[07:35] <killapop> nickrud: its like 6 hrs of apt-get, apt-search
[07:36] <MicroChris> Can someone help me with this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35334&page=3
[07:36] <Madpilot> I've been ubuntuized about ten days...
[07:36] <nickrud> killapop, another tool is packages.ubuntu.com
[07:36] <killapop> nickrud: oh!!! thank ye good sir!
[07:36] <killapop> :)
[07:36] <Adross> anyone?
[07:36] <Adross> surely there is one that has open source drivers
[07:37] <danko123456> according to gatos.sf.net, many of the ATI All in Wonder Radeons work with Linux for TV in
[07:37] <judari> crimsun: ok..
[07:37] <paulproteus> Adross: The mythtv people know this stuff.
[07:37] <nickrud> killapop, and one more suggestion, take a look at aptitude.
[07:37] <paulproteus> The MythTV documentation even mentions it, as I recall.
[07:37] <jbutera> breezy is broken :D
[07:37] <Adross> mythtv?
[07:37] <killapop> nickrud: seen aptitude
[07:37] <reisio> MicroChris: /topic
[07:37] <Adross> what is this ancient sect you talk of?
[07:37] <danko123456> Adross: according to gatos.sf.net, many of the ATI All in Wonder Radeons work with Linux for TV in
[07:37] <danko123456> :)
[07:37] <shad0w1e> crimsin_ : why would aplay work and not anything else?
[07:37] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ : why would aplay work and not anything else?
[07:38] <danko123456> you can use tab for nick completion(there are two of crimsun, tho.
[07:38] <geneo93> Adross:  my haupaugh card works
[07:38] <paulproteus> Adross: www.mythtv.org
[07:38] <Adross> danko123456: aren't they 3d cards as well though, i just want a standalone?
[07:38] <Adross> ah k, thanks
[07:38] <paulproteus> Adross: Sure thing. :)
[07:38] <paulproteus> But do use Google, too. :)
[07:38] <danko123456> Adross: I have no clue I pasted it from daniels
[07:38] <paulproteus> shad0w1e: Because you need to run 'esd'.
[07:38] <Adross> i was waiting for that
[07:38] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, arts is a bit odd
[07:39] <shad0w1e> GNOME wasnt working either
[07:39] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, does gnome exhibit the same problems?
[07:39] <shad0w1e> yes
[07:39] <shad0w1e> um esd made a weird sound
[07:39] <Adross> alrighty, thanks guys. Now, if you'll excuse me, i have a 4000 word english gothic genre story to write. Moral of the story? English extension is hard
[07:39] <shad0w1e> but still no sound other than that
[07:39] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, what does /proc/asound/version contain?
[07:39] <MicroChris> Can anyone help me with a Breezy question
[07:39] <MicroChris> and dont tell me to look at hte topic
[07:40] <MicroChris> cause i fucking know
[07:40] <judari> crimsun: i posted it over at pastebin..
[07:40] <shad0w1e> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.9rc4a.
[07:40] <shad0w1e> Compiled on May 24 2005 for kernel 2.6.10-5-k7.
[07:40] <daniels> MicroChris: language, please.
[07:40] <shad0w1e> as I mentioned... I updated it..
[07:40] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, ok.
[07:40] <MicroChris> sry
[07:40] <danko123456> MicroChris: easy
[07:40] <MicroChris> :)
[07:40] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, you see the only problem with using 1.0.9rc4{a} is that you must have a matching alsa-libs
[07:40] <shad0w1e> esd made a sound come through my speakers
[07:41] <danko123456> MicroChris: two thibngs are in the topic
[07:41] <danko123456> Have a question? Just ask! | PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET -- REALLY
[07:41] <daniels> MicroChris: but the topic does also say 'Have a question? Just ask!'
[07:41] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ so how do I back it out
[07:41] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, because a _lot_ has changed between 1.0.8 and 1.0.9rc4
[07:41] <danko123456> for your question the first part applies
[07:41] <danko123456> :)
[07:41] <MicroChris> Can someone help me with this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35334&page=3    My question is at the bottom.. Thanks
[07:41] <spinifex> weee, vncviewer is fun.  I'm using it now to type this
[07:41] <danko123456> MicroChris: Ill sure take a look
[07:41] <daniels> MicroChris: it would help if yo ucould just type it out here
[07:42] <daniels> argh, the fix everyone is suggesting is wrong wrong wrong
[07:42] <MicroChris> haha
[07:42] <MicroChris> thanks guys
[07:42] <drcodedd2> hi all
[07:43] <reisio> drcodedd2: lo
[07:43] <drcodedd2> any one know if there is amule or emule that can connect to more then 1 server at same time?
[07:43] <AlwaysModest> its like all the girls i see in pr0n
[07:43] <AlwaysModest> except classier
[07:43] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, if you have the compiled upstream source, then sudo make uninstall
[07:43] <reisio> AlwaysModest: GNOME, or you mean how Ubuntu functions?
[07:43] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:43] <shad0w1e> OH RIGHT
[07:43] <AlwaysModest> reisio:both
[07:43] <shad0w1e> MAKE UNINSATLL
[07:43] <shad0w1e> yeah I do have it..
[07:43] <drcodedd2> I mean gui like amule
[07:43] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, otherwise you need to upgrade alsa-utils and alsa-lib to 1.0.9rc4{a}
[07:44] <shad0w1e> ok I uninstalled it
[07:44] <shad0w1e> now what
[07:44] <shad0w1e> I need to put in 0.8, right?
[07:44] <\sh> re
[07:45] <MicroChris> btw, the error Im getting is "X Not Executable"
[07:45] <daniels> MicroChris: upgrade
[07:45] <limer> these PSUs seem either like overkill or bells and whistles -- I can't imagine paying $185 for a psu
[07:45] <AlwaysModest> i wish i could get this on my beige g3 though :-\
[07:46] <MicroChris> i just did, thats what caused the error, heh
[07:46] <jbutera> what kind of bells or whistles could possibly be in a PSU?
[07:46] <daniels> MicroChris: if you're at 6.8.2-20, that problem's been fixed
[07:46] <limer> jbutera: led fans, led switches, detachable cables (although I like this idea) . . . etc
[07:46] <daniels> MicroChris: unless you already sort of screwed things
[07:46] <MicroChris> hmm
[07:46] <hhurtta> and more importantly, what is PSU
[07:46] <jbutera> power supply unit
[07:46] <limer> power supply unit
[07:46] <MicroChris> maybe a upgrade and dist-upgrade?
[07:46] <daniels> MicroChris: in which case you need to do sudo rm /usr/bin/X11 && sudo ln -s /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg /usr/bin/X11/Xorg
[07:46] <MicroChris> i hope my repos arent screwed
[07:47] <MicroChris> ok
[07:47] <MicroChris> and thatll fix it?
[07:47] <Madpilot> limer: lots of them do have lots of odd stuff, don't they? popular with kids spending their parent's money, I suspect...
[07:47] <limer> jbutera: gold plated grills, see through windows etc.  -- seriously, bells and whistles
[07:47] <jbutera> heh
[07:47] <jbutera> thats all silly stuff
[07:47] <jbutera> people like that though i guess
[07:47] <Madpilot> I just wanted the best, quietest PSU I could afford...
[07:47] <limer> jbutera: I agree
[07:48] <reisio> quiet...how I appreciate that :p
[07:48] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ what is the equivalent of what I just took out, do I have to put in now using synaptic?
[07:48] <limer> this is fine for all those people wanting coolguy points.  I just want a psu to do what it's supposed to :P
[07:48] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, alsa-source from universe
[07:48] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, you'll need to recompile it, which means you need linux-headers-$(uname -r), too
[07:49] <gorilla_> Madpilot, I went in a different direction... a 150mm ducted fan in the back of the machine...
[07:49] <Madpilot> quiet is good... the rest of the fans on the box still make too damn much noise, tho!
[07:49] <reisio> gotta get a quiet PC, too :p
[07:49] <ivoks> omg
[07:49] <limer> Madpilot: quiet is good, we agree there :)
[07:49] <reisio> ivoks: agreed
[07:49] <pulse^deaN> TRIUMPHANT OVER MY NETWORK DRAMA *dances*
[07:49] <Madpilot> gorilla_: 150mm? That's a bigger fan than standard!
[07:49] <ivoks> i can't belive
[07:49] <crimsun_> brb
[07:49] <ivoks> A Minnesota appeals unamimously ruled in a child porn case that "the existence of an encryption program" on the defendants computer could be admitted as evidence of criminal intent.'
[07:49] <reisio> ivoks: lol
[07:50] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ : okay I installed it... do I need to compile now? If so, how?
[07:50] <ivoks> looks like USA is doing everything it can to destroy all normal things on earth
[07:50] <Madpilot> ivoks: bunch of sh*t. GPG is included in Ubuntu by default, isn't it?
[07:50] <reisio> ivoks: this country is going down the toilet :p
[07:50] <limer> I would wager any of us could make friends with someone who's in a factory putting together PSUs and find that the low end $30 PSU and high end $180 PSU use virtually the same components
[07:50] <nickrud> supreme court next, i guess
[07:50] <reisio> ivoks: you mean it looks like it wants its citizens to move to better countries :p
[07:50] <ivoks> reisio: that too
[07:50] <rixth> I want to setup a RAID array. So am I correct, (thinking of RAID 0) that if one drive develops a hardward problem, the other drive will lose all it's data? Is this not the case with RAID 1?
[07:50] <gorilla_> Madpilot: (me double checks) sorry it is 120mm but low rpm running off 12v rail :-)
[07:50] <Madpilot> limer: I think some of the review & modding sites have discovered exactly that...
[07:51] <ivoks> Madpilot: of course, on every Linux distro :)
[07:51] <ivoks> come on... PGP! jesus... what a freaking idiots
[07:51] <Madpilot> gorilla_: 120 is standard. got one of those & (currently) two 80mm case fans.
[07:51] <Madpilot> ivoks: thought I'd seen it in U. pretty standard install on Win, too...
[07:52] <limer> Madpilot: yeah.  this makes sense.  look at companies like Dell or Gateway.  all those PSUs aren't anything fancy and work fine
[07:52] <danko123456> ivoks, no, serious, that above?
[07:52] <ivoks> danko123456: what?
[07:53] <Madpilot> limer: I think the kicker for PSUs is if you want over 300W. 250W is still standard on Dell/etc supposedly.
[07:53] <reisio> ya I think my bro just bought a new battery for one
[07:53] <reisio> which struck me as retarded
[07:53] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ I have linux headers... how do i recompile?
[07:53] <Hmmmm> hey guys i need a lil help...
[07:54] <Hmmmm> im looking for a tool to monitor my system during a load test
[07:54] <Hmmmm> top is perfect, but it doesnt seem to log any of the data
[07:54] <Hmmmm> can anyone syggest something?
[07:54] <reisio> you could use xvidcap to record top if you were goofy :p
[07:55] <reisio> Hmmmm: there's surely some way to pass top to a log
[07:55] <gorilla_> Hmmmm, try... rddtools... there was some project that logs stuff from /proc on freshmeat yesterday.
[07:55] <AlwaysModest> you know what i hate about putting together/repairing peecees, especially the older ones?
[07:55] <AlwaysModest> i always wind up bleeding
[07:55] <reisio> :/
[07:55] <limer> Madpilot: no doubt.  a lot of them use proprietary PSUs that are < 200W in desktop systems
[07:56] <spinifex> maybe if you wrote something to run `ps aux` every half a second?
[07:56] <Madpilot> AlwaysModest: you get attacked by your PCs? :)
[07:56] <\sh> Hmmmm: depends what do u want to monitor
[07:56] <limer> old gx110 in the house like that
[07:56] <danko123456> hm, write a script that does a append to a file from a command that prints out processes and that who uses more, and make it loop every few minutes.
[07:56] <\sh> Hmmmm: mem and io via top
[07:56] <danko123456> thats for hmm...
[07:56] <deaNspare> danko
[07:56] <deaNspare> lol
[07:56] <deaNspare> im into the buddy list
[07:56] <danko123456> well, it said thatlol
[07:56] <\sh> Hmmmm: hits and misses on webservers "webstress" http://www.moniforce.com/ but this is not os
[07:56] <AlwaysModest> madpilot i don't have the patience for these little metal parts
[07:57] <HrdwrBoB> AlwaysModest: you mean screws?
[07:57] <Hmmmm> im looking for something based on the CLI
[07:57] <Hmmmm> not web-based
[07:57] <Hmmmm> i cant run apache on this machine
[07:57] <AlwaysModest> hrdwrbob: no like drive sleds and i don't even know what else
[07:57] <AlwaysModest> all i know is i wind up bleeding
[07:57] <spinifex> heh, that reminds me of when I tried to take apart an old compaq.  Ouch...
[07:57] <Madpilot> AlwaysModest: duct tape.
[07:58] <Hmmmm> \sh, i want to monitor the CPU, memory, and network traffic
[07:58] <Hmmmm> i want readings every second
[07:58] <wasap> does anyone know where i can find how to compile my own kernel in ubuntu. i moved from gentoo and i liked having only the stuff i have on my pc built in, no modules.
[07:58] <Hmmmm> i mlooking at vmstat
[07:58] <reisio> wasap: go back to Gentoo :p
[07:58] <gorilla_> heh :-)
[07:58] <wasap> reisio i might. im starting to think this ubuntu is for rookies and starters
[07:59] <reisio> wasap: well, yeah...it is
[07:59] <spinifex> hey, you forgot "Real Computer Users"
[07:59] <reisio> wasap: miss binaries, do you?
[07:59] <gorilla_> wasap, or maybe for those that just want something to work...
[07:59] <wasap> binaries?
[07:59] <spinifex> what about the people who just want to use a computer, and not spend all day setting it up?
[07:59] <reisio> gorilla_: that's exactly why I use Gentoo :p
[07:59] <wasap> i never used binaries. i compiled everything
[07:59] <reisio> spinifex: that's fine :) but he obviously does
[07:59] <spinifex> heheh
[08:00] <reisio> wasap: k...then I don't see why you'd use anything but Gentoo, FreeBSD or LFS
[08:00] <gorilla_> reisio, you obviously haven't run several servers then..
[08:00] <Hmmmm> \sh, does top have a log file where it stores the data it reads? cozi  couldnt find it anywhere
[08:00] <reisio> gorilla_: ...you use Ubuntu for servers?
[08:00] <spinifex> a friend of mine who showed me this distro installs a different one every week
[08:00] <gorilla_> reisio, no... but I sure in heck wouldn't touch gentoo..
[08:00] <danko123456> hm, why not use applets?
[08:00] <wasap> reisio cause alot of people are talkin about it so i figured what the hell
[08:00] <\sh> Hmmmm: -b == batchmode
[08:00] <reisio> gorilla_: I wouldn't either - I'd do LFS
[08:01] <reisio> wasap: ya that's why I installed it once for about 30 minutes :)
[08:01] <wasap> installed what for 30 minutes?
[08:01] <gorilla_> reisio, IMHO, you are nuts... use a binary that people have tested properly..
[08:01] <reisio> wasap: Ubuntu
[08:02] <wasap> what do you use now reisio
[08:02] <reisio> gorilla_: uh, what? :p
[08:02] <reisio> wasap: Gentoo still
[08:02] <benplaut> is there a list of the packages that were upgraded with yesterday's security kernel update
[08:02] <reisio> reminds me, need to recompile my kernel
[08:02] <AlwaysModest> gentoo was my project last summer on a powermac g5
[08:02] <Merlik> quick apache question:  RewriteRule ^(?!Main)(.*)$ Main/$1  <-- why does that cause an internal server error?
[08:02] <AlwaysModest> never got it working though....
[08:03] <wasap> AlwaysModest why not
[08:03] <\sh> i don't understand u guys..why the war between distris...every distri has pros and cons..I'm administration 20 gentoo servers, 5 redhats and at least one ubuntu server (my own) and everything is perfect..until I fixed some stuff for ubuntu on servers I will migrate all boxes to ubuntu
[08:03] <reisio> AlwaysModest: that's not good :/
[08:03] <wasap> i got gentoo on my xbox and ubuntu on my pc
[08:03] <benplaut> WNight_: figured out the Kernel Panic :)
[08:03] <reisio> \sh: we're not warring
[08:03] <AlwaysModest> wasap: idk i'm not a unix/linux prodigy but i'm not a "n00b" either
[08:03] <gorilla_> \sh: we haven't started yet.. :-D
[08:03] <wasap> and tiger on my g5
[08:03] <dr_willis> they are 'debating' :P
[08:03] <limer> \sh: if we didn't fight about distros . . . what would we complain about?  :P
[08:03] <reisio> \sh: it is merely my opinion that someone who prefers compiling everything from source would prefer many distros over Ubuntu :p
[08:03] <reisio> limer: :p
[08:04] <WNight_> benplaut: Yeah? What was it?
[08:04] <benplaut> WNight_: instructions here:
[08:04] <benplaut> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36573
[08:04] <wasap> i like the speed on ubuntu, i never said it was total garbage, i just said i wanna do the kernel myself lol
[08:04] <mojo> diversity is the strength of the foss community (and ecosystems, too, coincidentally)
[08:04] <hondje> I'll drink to that, mojo
[08:04] <mojo> :)
[08:05] <\sh> reisio: gentoo has nothing to do with compiling at all...I'm using it only, because I can easily adjust some settings for kernel and gameservers...I could do it with ubuntu as well, but for that I'm completly on my own :)
[08:05] <reisio> I'd say competition unhindered by patents and copyrights, but whatever :)
[08:05] <\sh> anyways
[08:05] <gorilla_> reisio, I guess I have had enough of the whole ./configure; make;; make test;make install cycle... :-(
[08:05] <reisio> \sh: um...Gentoo has nothing to do with compiling?
[08:05] <hondje> hehe
[08:05] <reisio> gorilla_: what, for LFS? :)
[08:05] <wasap> gorilla who does ./configure; make;; make test;make install
[08:06] <wasap> we are talking about gentoo
[08:06] <\sh> reisio: no :) you have to compile right, but most gentoo users think self-compiling gives more speed...but it gives those kids more problems
[08:06] <WNight_> benplaut: I'll give that a try.
[08:06] <mojo> i looked at sourde mage and lunar before choosing ubuntu.  those are both source-distros.  I decided to wait until i had a little more, um, mojo ;P
[08:06] <gorilla_> reisio, you siad that you run LFS, I never did... :-P
[08:06] <reisio> \sh: I don't care what most users think - Gentoo has a lot to do with compiling :p
[08:06] <incubii> LFS rocks , just dont do it over 28.8kb dialup
[08:06] <limer> anyone had experience with an SATA drive using ncq yet?
[08:06] <incubii> and a 486
[08:06] <mojo> i only started with mandrake last summer and upped to ubuntu in the fall.  been fun
[08:06] <wasap> in gentoo you just switch to testing and type emerge (package) theres no skill required
[08:06] <reisio> gorilla_: I don't run LFS, no servers
[08:07] <benplaut> WNight_: it's not perfect, and i'm not sure if it will work for other people, but it did for me :) (except for the network applet)
[08:07] <HrdwrBoB> gentoo is fine for stuffing around
[08:07] <shad0w1e> wasap: and then you wait 4 hours
[08:07] <wasap> 4 hours on a pos pc
[08:07] <Hmmmm> \sh, thanks, "top -b" looks like the best i can get out of top...
[08:07] <\sh> wasap: right...check the MLs and forums..full of "no skilled" people running ~ARCH
[08:07] <\sh> and complaining ;)
[08:07] <wasap> then dont run ~arch
[08:07] <mojo> gentoo looks like a nice community.  they have good howtows that I have 'borrowed from' when figgurin' out how to do stuff, even on ubuntu.
[08:08] <wasap> i like running testing on any distro i use
[08:08] <reisio> well the bug fixing system for Gentoo has some dirty flaws
[08:08] <reisio> often running testing will cause less problems
[08:08] <wasap> and gentoo has an amazingly fast response time for problems
[08:08] <hondje> and gentoo-hardened is kick ass
[08:09] <\sh> wasap: tell them...bleeding edge is what a gentoo speed kick kid wants..and gets with all blood and tears...this is the problem with gentoo...u need to know what u r doing...if not, don't cry dude ;)
[08:09] <\sh> back to breezy
[08:09] <wasap> gentoo was my first os
[08:09] <daniels> can we not please have gentoo arguments here
[08:09] <benplaut> ^^wow! and then it was too dificult?
[08:09] <benplaut> watch out
[08:09] <mojo> \sh: how stable is breezy nowadays?
[08:09] <wasap> whos arguing daniels
[08:09] <benplaut> daniels has power!!!
[08:09] <\sh> mojo: just like gentoo stable ;)
[08:09] <benplaut> :)
[08:10] <reisio> bleeding edge isn't really about speed (unless you're using that term in a way I've not heard before)
[08:10] <benplaut> it's about newest, and sometimes unstable
[08:10] <mojo> lol.. i never used gentoo to know. j/curious
[08:10] <reisio> mojo: I don't think \sh has either :p
[08:10] <AlwaysModest> stable as helium mojo
[08:10] <\sh> mojo: see subject :)
[08:10] <mojo> he he
[08:10] <\sh> reisio: this is what u think :)
[08:10] <wasap> theres no diff in software
[08:10] <mojo> LOL ~!
[08:10] <reisio> \sh: um, yes it's what I think - that's why I just said it
[08:10] <reisio> duh?
[08:11] <Raskall> well.. off to a job interview. I'm actually on the train now. online via gprs. I lov that bluetooth finally worked when I installed ubuntu.
[08:11] <wasap> in ubuntu i have the same stuff i had in gentoo unstable
[08:11] <reisio> Raskall: g'luck
[08:11] <gorilla_> g'luck, Raskall :-)
[08:11] <hondje> if there was one greatest-distro of all, then we'd all be on one chan :)
[08:11] <mojo> gl Raskall! every bit helps, no?  :)
[08:11] <reisio> hondje: then we'd all know enough to do LFS
[08:12] <hondje> heh, there will always be users like me who just won't do it :)
[08:12] <wasap> there is no greatest distro lol
[08:12] <Raskall> thanx. :)
[08:12] <AlwaysModest> but there again debian 3 was woody if im not mistaken
[08:12] <Raskall> This is the first linux job I am intervewing for ever. I have only worked with windows.
[08:12] <spinifex> it's toystory characters
[08:13] <reisio> Raskall: what's the job, exactly?
[08:13] <Raskall> have sneaked in linux servers everywhere, but my main job has been in windows.
[08:13] <mojo> AlwaysModest: if helium is so stable, why do i feel so unstable after inhaling too much from the baloons (for the voice)?!?!?  lol!
[08:13] <reisio> mojo: lol
[08:13] <AlwaysModest> mojo: idk i'm a doctor not a chemist damnit
[08:13] <Raskall> reisio: at norways biggest book club. system mainteneance with vmware linux servers.
[08:13] <AlwaysModest> ...er something
[08:13] <mojo> AlwaysModest: lol.  oxygen dep. methinks.
[08:13] <reisio> vmware :p
[08:13] <gorilla_> mojo, perhasp suggest that to mcirosoft for fixing their operating systems... remove the helium :-)
[08:14] <Raskall> reisio: and som networking and support.
[08:14] <mojo> gorilla_: oh, so it was helium.  I thought it was that most-pervasive element in the universe: stupidity.
[08:15] <gorilla_> mojo, never confuse stupidity with arrogance... we made a profit this year, lets continue what we are doing.
[08:15] <AlwaysModest> mojo: no in all fairness windows has a pretty decent os </sarcasm>
[08:15] <reisio> if only I spoke Norwegian
[08:16] <spinifex> Ubuntu is the first linux distro I've used that's comparable to windows, actually, and in my opinion it wins.
[08:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i make root export an env variable?
[08:16] <benplaut> AlwaysModest: in truth, they do. If windows wasn't around, then only half of the current world's computer users would be computer users. I respect them for that
[08:16] <reisio> spinifex: huh - have you used any other distributions with GNOME? :p
[08:16] <gorilla_> there's a few issues with evolution but I'm sure that's fixed upstream... bring on breezy :-)
[08:17] <mojo> gorilla_: who is "we"?  And, um, the profit motive does NOT trump everything.  That sort of thinking is truly stupid.  Like when someone says "it's nothing personal, it's only business".  How so?  Weren't people involved?  </stump>
[08:17] <hondje> what issues with evolution, gorilla_ ?
[08:17] <AlwaysModest> benplaut: sometimes i just like to talk to hear myself talk (or type) i have no opinion on anything really
[08:17] <spinifex> reisio: yes.  Red Hat 9, Debian Woody, and SuSE (ick!)
[08:17] <gorilla_> hondje, I had one where the dictionary wasn't set to a default...
[08:17] <spinifex> Red Hat had issues with my hardware.  Debian asked waay too many configuration questions.  SuSE just didn't work at all...
[08:17] <benplaut> AlwaysModest: testing, 1, 2, :)
[08:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm trying to compile qjackctl and running sudo ./configure and getting : checking whether QTDIR environment variable is set... no / configure: error: QTDIR must be properly set.
[08:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> can anyone offer some help with this?
[08:18] <hondje> gorilla_: oh, I thought you meant more along the lines of fundamental flaws
[08:18] <gorilla_> mojo, I'm not saying that it applies across the board but seemed to be the case in some multnationals..
[08:19] <gorilla_> hondje, no no.. just some little "quirks"...
[08:19] <mojo> gorilla_: np just rattlin your cage!  ;)
[08:19] <hondje> yeah, I see those too :)
[08:19] <hondje> I hope they bring hula into ubuntu for the next one
[08:19] <hondje> that'd be so nice, to tie in evo w/ iCal and all that ...
[08:19] <gorilla_> hondje: hula?
[08:19] <pschulz01> BL_: do you need to 'sudo'?
[08:19] <hondje> gorilla_: One of novell's new programs
[08:20] <gorilla_> hondje, ahh.. I see :-)
[08:20] <paulproteus> BROKEN_LADDER: qt3-dev  , I think, is what  you need.
[08:20] <hondje> they've really gone balls out for linux
[08:20] <paulproteus> You must install the development libraries for Qt.
[08:20] <spinifex> what is hula?
[08:20] <hondje> http://hula-project.org/Hula_Server  <---will rock
[08:20] <reisio> not like similarity to Windows is a compliment :p
[08:21] <AlwaysModest> hondje: can you or anyone tell me where the term "balls out" came from (no pun)
[08:21] <gorilla_> hondje, that sounbds like it will rock :-)
[08:21] <hondje> AlwaysModest: I would guess that it came from the fact that the balls are obviously what we protect the most
[08:21] <hondje> So going balls out implies you lack fear, give it all, etc...that's my guess
[08:22] <hondje> gorilla_: I played with it a bit, can't wait to use it at home
[08:22] <AlwaysModest> hondje: sounds right to me :)
[08:22] <Super_dude> i dont have any sound whats wrong?
[08:22] <danko123456> its the speakers.
[08:22] <danko123456> Mine aare blasting, dude!!!:)
[08:22] <gorilla_> hondje, get me one of these: http://hula-project.org/Properly_configured :-)
[08:23] <geargolem> when trying to load a sound font I recieve "no AWE synth device found"
[08:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> paulproteus i have it already.
[08:23] <hondje> Now THATS properly configured :D
[08:23] <reisio> AlwaysModest: http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/13/messages/1007.html
[08:23] <dr_willis> Hmm.. i cant recall ever loading a sound font. :P do they have anti-aliasing?
[08:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> paulproteus i just apt-get installed that
[08:23] <reisio> dr_willis: lol
[08:23] <mpq> where can I get a rar archive extractor?
[08:23] <hondje> sudo apt-get install unrar
[08:23] <gorilla_> hondje, I wonder if I can use that "reason" for my next server purchase at work :-)
[08:24] <hondje> hehe, can't hurt to try
[08:24] <geneo93> unrar-nonfree
[08:24] <IIIEars> dr_wilis sound fonts are downloaded with the command "apt-get moo"
[08:25] <geargolem> how do I detect an AWE synth device?
[08:25] <AlwaysModest> reisio: thanks, thats pretty thorough
[08:25] <geargolem> sound fonts are for MIDI devices
[08:25] <reisio> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/u/unrar
[08:25] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ : thanks for youre help, its still not working (I put in 0.8 , compiled and installed....) But im callin it quits for tonight. I DO apprecaigte your help
[08:26] <hondje> oh yeah, geneo93 is totally right..the unrar-nonfree is much better, if you don't mind the non-free part
[08:26] <mpq> must be
[08:26] <mpq> unrar doesn't seem to work
[08:26] <lukes_> i dont have any sound whats wrong?
[08:26] <geargolem> sound fonts for midi are like type fonts for keyboard
[08:27] <dr_willis> lukes_,  well either the card is all 'muted' or its not configured, or supported.
[08:27] <IIIEars> i was jokinf and kearned something. - linux is like that. :)
[08:27] <lukes_> dr_willis no mixer elemements or divices found or somfing to that afect
[08:28] <IIIEars> < my cat is helping me type. - should of gotten a "Tabby"
[08:28] <HrdwrBoB> should have
[08:28] <mpq> I can't download unrar
[08:28] <mpq> I think I'm just going to use wine and winrar
[08:28] <spinifex> conover: what do you mean?
[08:28] <reisio> mpq: dude don't do that lol
[08:28] <reisio> mpq: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/u/unrar
[08:28] <conover> spinifex: I was just teasing-not everyone googles balls out
[08:28] <geargolem> let me rephrase    $sfx load soundfont.sf2 yeilds "no AWE synth device is found"
[08:29] <geargolem> *sfxload
[08:29] <dr_willis> lukes_,  sounds liek the card isent supported. or some otehr issue then
[08:29] <reisio> fetishes own
[08:29] <shad0w1e> um, anyone here know how i START the alsa sound daemon?
[08:29] <dr_willis> mpq,  you add the right reposiitories. and you can apt-get install unrar , or rar.
[08:29] <mpq> I got unrar but it didn't work
[08:29] <dr_willis>  ->>    /etc/init.d/alsa start
[08:30] <mpq> so I tried to get unrar-nonfree
[08:30] <dr_willis> mpq,  defile 'dident work'
[08:30] <hondje> mpq: unrar-nonfree
[08:30] <mpq> but it didn't connect
[08:30] <dr_willis> define :P
[08:30] <hondje> You probably need to add restricted to your sources.list
[08:30] <shad0w1e> dr_willis, thanks
[08:30] <lukes_> dr_willis i just installed warty and i had the same problem bofore i used the command sudo modprobe ???
[08:30] <dr_willis> lukes_,  you mean you manually loaded the module. :P the name of the module is the imporntant part.
[08:31] <lukes_> that fixed it till i reset/shut down then i do it agian and turn the volume up
[08:31] <lukes_> yes and thats the bit i dont know
[08:31] <P3L|C4N0> mpq, add repository multiverse for unrar-non-free
[08:31] <nickrud> mpq, hondje that's in multiverse, unfree there, and patent problems in restricted, i believe
[08:31] <lukes_> :( i got the command from here  so i made a app to run it so i dont remmber
[08:32] <mpq> multiverse?
[08:32] <hondje> nickrud: oh, thanks ;)
[08:32] <dr_willis> lukes_,  :P thats when it  pays to take notes. - its odd however that the system dident see your soundcard automaticially. if the module is there.
[08:32] <P3L|C4N0> mpq, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe main restricted multiverse
[08:32] <P3L|C4N0> deb-src http://pe.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[08:32] <danko123456> mpq, yeah, multiverse, do you have that there?
[08:32] <danko123456> if not...
[08:32] <mpq> I might
[08:32] <mpq> I have to check
[08:32] <lukes_> so how do i find that out :P
[08:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> does anyone know where the qtlibs should be stored once i have installed libqt-dev?
[08:33] <mpq> yeah, multiverse is enabled
[08:33] <ivan> http://img271.echo.cx/img271/2991/desktop5og.png - don't you just love xfce
[08:34] <AlwaysModest> when you use a different language set in linux, are all the apps translated?
[08:34] <danko123456> mpq: http://pastebin.ca/12581
[08:34] <lukes_> :(
[08:34] <spinifex> interesting background ya got there, inav
[08:34] <spinifex> *ivan
[08:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> AlwaysModest many apps will have different language sets, yes.
[08:35] <AlwaysModest> cool
[08:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> AlwaysModest for instance when my language was once accidentally set to British English, I had words like programme
[08:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> annoying
[08:35] <ivan> yea, from somewhere on http://deviantart.com/
[08:35] <spinifex> alwaysmodest: my ps2 controller works in ubuntu.  I am happy for this
[08:35] <IIIEars> Can i use msttcorefonts in firefox?
[08:35] <dr_willis> IIIEars,  yes.
[08:36] <IIIEars> more importantly will servers be fooled?
[08:36] <ivan> fooled?
[08:36] <dr_willis> fooled? ;P
[08:36] <spinifex> what do servers care what fonts you use?
[08:36] <IIIEars> misleading servers about the os is my passion
[08:36] <IIIEars> old windows habit
[08:37] <spinifex> IIIEars: use the spoof features for firefox.  Look through update.mozilla.org
[08:37] <NicP> err right
[08:37] <ivan> user agent switcher extension IIIEars
[08:37] <IIIEars> Thank You
[08:37] <hondje> is there any reason /dev/shm isn't mounted noexec by default?
[08:37] <IIIEars> a new about:config string is easier
[08:38] <spinifex> ?
[08:38] <ivan> not when you're changing between versions abit IIIEars
[08:38] <reisio> it's http://addons.mozilla.org/ now, go figure
[08:38] <dr_willis> why would the fonts matter in any case :P
[08:39] <IIIEars> http://www.ericgiguere.com/articles/masquerading-your-browser.html accepted fons are passed to the server
[08:39] <reisio> IIIEars: what are you asking exactly?
[08:40] <IIIEars> If the user agent is changed and the font string are changed the only test for OS used will be style sheets
[08:40] <ivan> where's the question mark in that?
[08:41] <IIIEars> Windows paranoia dies hard.
[08:41] <dr_willis> font string?
[08:41] <dr_willis> Hmm
[08:41] <reisio> OS used...
[08:41] <IIIEars> gibson research "sheilds up!" has info on what a server sees
[08:42] <danko123456> hey, apt-get does an http download?
[08:42] <hondje> it can use ftp, too
[08:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> danko? you speak esperanto?
[08:43] <spinifex> can I get obscure fonts for ubuntu?  Like Jokerman?  I don't know how to install individual fonts on this
[08:43] <IIIEars> Not too worried about using java or flash here. only a secure browser.
[08:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> spinifex that's not an issue related to ubuntu specifically.
[08:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> spinifex you can put any ttf fonts you can acquire into your ttf directory
[08:44] <spinifex> it's not?
[08:44] <spinifex> oh
[08:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> proprietary fonts can't come with ubuntu, but you can copy them f rom a windows machine if you like.
[08:45] <danko123456> BROKEN_LADDER: oh yeah...mhm...
[08:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-bitstream-vera/VeraMono.ttf <-- for instance
[08:45] <IIIEars> True. - not too worried. a proxy might fix it but this is linux so %90 of exploits aren't loooking for it. if they nmap me i'm stuck anyway.
[08:45] <spinifex> ah, thank you
[08:45] <dr_willis> then isent there a command to make the font servers rescan them?
[08:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> mi anka parolas in danko.  tio estas bona.
[08:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> kaj dum kiom tempo ci parolis in?
[08:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> kaj kie ci loas?
[08:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> a..mi devas iri al lito nun.
[08:46] <reisio> why exactly do you know Esperanto?
[08:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> spertu bonan tagon.
[08:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> for the same reason a use dvorak.
[08:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> new technology should replace old technology.
[08:46] <spinifex> yay for dvorak
[08:47] <nickrud> spinifex, drop fonts into ~./fonts, and it should be seen.
[08:47] <mpq> people use esperanto?
[08:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> same reason i use vorbis and not mp3
[08:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> mpq millions do.
[08:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> you can get google in esperanto.
[08:47] <mpq> huh
[08:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> wikipedia is in esperanto.
[08:47] <mpq> is there a reason to use esperanto?
[08:47] <nickrud> if not, sudo update-fonts-scale, i think
[08:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> la mondo estas plena de esperanto
[08:48] <reisio> mpq: being born into a family that speaks it is the only reason I can think of
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> plena da esperanto eble estus la propra vorto.
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> the reason to learn it is that it is logical and superior to natural languages.
[08:48] <runge_> hi. I am new to ubuntu. what would I need to install to get a ssh-server up and running? (sudo apt-get install ssh ?)
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> if everyone learns it, we can abandon natural languages.
[08:48] <danko123456> why would mpq, nice question
[08:48] <nobile> I don't know esperanto, but it looks like latin or soemthing like that
[08:48] <IIIEars> dvorak is good. - there are several different keyboards out there using "court reporter" style key entry (fast) - not likely to help with spelling though - (sheepish grin)
[08:48] <danko123456> broken, yeah, if everyone learns any language...same thing.
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> it is heavily based upon latin and germanic roots.
[08:49] <sontek> Hey, What all is needed to get wireless working?  I type "lspci" and it sees my wireless network card and everything
[08:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> danko123456  but esperanto is logical.
[08:49] <mpq> what is dvorak?
[08:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> danko123456 esperanto is like the dvorak of languages.
[08:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> mpq it's a better keymap
[08:49] <dr_willis> 'better' :P
[08:49] <reisio> I thought esperanto is a very small language
[08:49] <hondje> That word is popular here :)
[08:49] <spinifex> http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/
[08:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> mpq the keymap most people use on their keyboards was based upon old typewriters, and that was used to keep people from typing too fast and jamming up the keys.
[08:49] <nobile> "la mondo estas plena de esperanto"  the world is full of esperanto ?
[08:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> reisio it's about the same size as hebrew.
[08:50] <dr_willis> I like some of the 1 handed keyboards  that are out.. :P
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> nobile yes
[08:50] <IIIEars> Keyboards were layed out for typewriters - mechanical keys arms used to lock together
[08:50] <nobile> yay!
[08:50] <reisio> BROKEN_LADDER: that means nothing to me :p how big is hebrew? :p
[08:50] <dr_willis> IIIEars,  actually I think thats an Urban myth. :P
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> several million.
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> i dunno.
[08:50] <nobile> hebrew is a very extense language
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> dr_willis no it's not.
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> dr_willis why do you think qwerty is so terribly laid out?!
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have to go to bed..screw this convo
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> night all
[08:51] <benplaut> nobile: yup, but an awesome one
[08:51] <reisio> iirc it was designed to be a simple language
[08:51] <reisio> it would require massive modifications to compete
[08:51] <pppoe_dude> hi.. is there a way to make ubuntu behave normally with respect to users? example: making a root account and a user account. running config programs from within the user-account as root
[08:51] <reisio> and seeing how English is gobbling up languages left and right, I doubt it could make it
[08:51] <benplaut> nobile: atah meveen eevreet?
[08:51] <nobile> my brother studies hebrew for 2 years and he barely learnt it in present
[08:52] <spinifex> pppoe_dude: what is normal?  And yes, you can do that
[08:52] <nobile> benplaut ??????
[08:52] <pppoe_dude> spinifex: to make it behave like say... fedora
[08:52] <dr_willis> http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_248.html   TYpewriter Myth! :P or legand.. or not.. he left. Phhht...
[08:52] <danko123456> pppoe_dude: you just wanna allow admin to your new user, I think.
[08:52] <spinifex> pppoe_dude: if you want it to act like fedora, why aren't you using fedora?
[08:52] <pppoe_dude> right now it's not working fine for me... i try to run network-admin from within my user account,
[08:52] <transgress> there an easy way to see if packet collisions are occuring in a network?
[08:53] <lifeless> spinifex: thats a really useful answer.. please don't
[08:53] <danko123456> add him to that group.
[08:53] <benplaut> nobile: never mind... i thought that maybe you skope herbrew :S
[08:53] <pppoe_dude> spinifex, I like ubuntu more + its the only one hat works on my laptop
[08:53] <spinifex> pppoe_dude: try saying "sudo network-admin"
[08:53] <lifeless> pppoe_dude: are you running 'sudo thinkg' ?
[08:53] <nobile> benplaut nobile: atah meveen eevreet?     ??????
[08:53] <nobile> ahh
[08:53] <nobile> no, I don't =P
[08:53] <nobile> hehe
[08:53] <pppoe_dude> spinifex I've enabled the root account...
[08:53] <nobile> I only know spanish and a little english
[08:53] <lifeless> pppoe_dude: humour us
[08:53] <spinifex> there is also a root terminal
[08:53] <lifeless> pppoe_dude: try this 'sudo network-admin'
[08:53] <pppoe_dude> I want to be able to just run admin programs from within the user account, without sudo
[08:54] <danko123456> pppoe_dude: told you.
[08:54] <pppoe_dude> lifeless: my user account is not on the sudoers
[08:54] <lifeless> uhm. is that deliberate ?
[08:54] <danko123456> any other accounts in there?
[08:54] <spinifex> Applications->System Tools->Root Terminal
[08:54] <reisio> it's just that the advantages of keeping with the most popular keyboard layout usually outweigh the advantages of using Dvorak (comfort, I've heard)
[08:54] <pppoe_dude> I have a root account + a user account
[08:54] <lifeless> I don't htink fedora lets you do that either y'know., though I may be wrong
[08:55] <pppoe_dude> whenever i run network-admin, it asks me for a root password then gives me an error
[08:55] <nobile> reisio, changing to dvorak isn't so hard, and I don't see many advantages in using qwerty anymore
[08:55] <pppoe_dude> only way to overcome this is to add my user account to the sudoers list...
[08:55] <benplaut> WNight_: did the downgrade work?
[08:55] <IIIEars> pppoe_dude - did you want to have a root account?
[08:55] <spinifex> pppoe_dude: I don't think it's normal for you to have super-user priveleges without root access or being on the sudoers list
[08:55] <lifeless> if you run it as yourself, it will try to sudo automtically.
[08:55] <pppoe_dude> but then i'm giving it extra priveleges
[08:55] <lifeless> it needs priviliges to reconfigure things
[08:55] <reisio> nobile: the advantage is only that it's the most common
[08:56] <pppoe_dude> yes, but I would like it to run as root, rather than as sudo - user
[08:56] <IIIEars> passwd root -l will lock/disable root
[08:56] <spinifex> wait, what you want is to be able to ONLY use the network admin thing without privileges.  You can set the application group in the sudoers list
[08:56] <pppoe_dude> ARGHHH
[08:56] <pppoe_dude> sorry
[08:56] <pppoe_dude> :)
[08:56] <WNight_> benplaut: I only have a Knoppix disk, which won't eject the cdrom, so I'm trying various alternatives. I need the old package, so I'm looking at the install disk to see if I can get it.
[08:56] <reisio> nobile: I never really feel discomfort using QWERTY, though - so I don't really gain anything by switching to DVORAK
[08:56] <pppoe_dude> i want to disable SUDO... and enable the root account.
[08:56] <daniels> pppoe_dude: you do realise that running something as root and running something under sudo is exactly the same in terms of what you can do, right?
[08:56] <pppoe_dude> I already did that
[08:56] <nobile> yeah, but what's the advantage of it?  I mean, only if you use computers you can't change, there's no advantage in it being common
[08:56] <daniels> why on earth do you want to disable sudo?
[08:57] <dr_willis> pppoe_dude,  just make a actual password for root.
[08:57] <reisio> disabling sudo != enabling root
[08:57] <pppoe_dude> daniels: that is true, however i feel sudo gives privelages to users that don't need them
[08:57] <nobile> your arms have never hurt after typing a lot? or you get some strange pain in your wrists?
[08:57] <reisio> you can have sudo and use root :p
[08:57] <dr_willis> then you can 'su -'  (or use sux)
[08:57] <IIIEars> I like sudo - lol  su-su-sudio too phil  collins is great
[08:57] <benplaut> WNight_: no looking for the package required... sudo apt-cdrom add (with the ubuntu install CD) will automatically index it
[08:57] <HrdwrBoB> pppoe_dude: no, in fact it ONLY gives priveleges to users who need them
[08:57] <pppoe_dude> + the problem i ran into is that if i want to change a setting with a GUI, then I have to log into a 'sudoed' account first
[08:57] <reisio> nobile: nope
[08:57] <nobile> haha
[08:58] <reisio> nobile: and I type a lot
[08:58] <hondje> I still contend, they need a wheel system or something
[08:58] <spinifex> pppoe_dude: System->Administration->Login Screen Setup->Security->Allow Root login at GDM.  And also, sudo passwd to give it a password
[08:58] <benplaut> WNight_: have you figured out how to boot into the hard drive yet?
[08:58] <nobile> what's your typing speed?
[08:58] <mpq> now I want to use dvorak
[08:58] <pppoe_dude> i can't go to a terminal, and log into a sudoed account then
[08:58] <daniels> pppoe_dude: um, if you don't like having to change accounts, why not just give that user sudo access?
[08:58] <reisio> nobile: pretty up there
[08:58] <pppoe_dude> and change settings
[08:58] <daniels> pppoe_dude: and you can -- run 'su - username'
[08:58] <mpq> unfortunately I'm on a laptop and can't physically change the keys
[08:58] <nobile> how many kpm?
[08:58] <nickrud> does redhat still use the wheel group?
[08:58] <pppoe_dude> daniels: doesnt that make my computer more vulnerable?
[08:58] <WNight_> benplaut: No. I can boot and chroot into it, but not boot from the HD with a boot disk. I didn't really follow that part of the instructions.
[08:58] <nobile> mpq, you get used to not looking at the keys, I did...
[08:58] <daniels> pppoe_dude: to what?  you changing settings?
[08:59] <reisio> nobile: correct words per minute?
[08:59] <nobile> no, keys per minute
[08:59] <pppoe_dude> daniels: it's like i'm logged into Gnome as root...
[08:59] <spinifex> pppoe_dude: You can give someone restricted sudo rights.  It is possible
[08:59] <daniels> pppoe_dude: actually, it's not, but never mind
[08:59] <pppoe_dude> daniels:lol, you seem fed up... but i did have a point, i just cant seem to make it through
[08:59] <reisio> nobile: ah, no idea
[09:00] <reisio> nobile: only ever dealt with wpm, and I couldn't estimate that, either
[09:00] <nobile> http://www.typera.tk/
[09:00] <reisio> haven't ever rated myself since high school, and then it was very high
[09:00] <pppoe_dude> i guess i can stick with sudo... however, my point in a nutshell was that when i disabled sudo, the config programs from the menu were impossible to start when logged in as a user.
[09:00] <danko123456> pppoe_dude: did you get what I said?
[09:00] <reisio> nobile: let me try it :)
[09:01] <nobile> =)
[09:01] <pppoe_dude> danko123456 yes
[09:01] <alexmacy> hi
[09:01] <dabaSlon> k, so, why does that not work?
[09:01] <dabaSlon> yo, maci
[09:01] <transgress> does suse pro have any out of the box wireless support for non prism cards or will i have to be hacking at an amd64 version of ndiswrapper to get it going?
[09:02] <pppoe_dude> hmmmm
[09:02] <dabaSlon> pppoe_dude: why does it not work?
[09:02] <pppoe_dude> it does work,
[09:02] <pppoe_dude> just doesnt work right...
[09:02] <dabaSlon> k, so well?
[09:02] <transgress> because it was pretty ... entertaining to do in ubuntu
[09:02] <dabaSlon> like what, please?
[09:02] <pppoe_dude> lol...
[09:02] <pppoe_dude> k, are you talking about adding admin priv. to users?
[09:02] <dabaSlon> well, it works here..for a user to work.
[09:03] <dabaSlon> yes
[09:03] <pppoe_dude> thats what i wanted to avoid...
[09:03] <pppoe_dude> i wanted to be able to change the settings from within the user account.
[09:03] <pppoe_dude> BUT
[09:03] <transgress> oh this isn't the suse channel
[09:03] <transgress> heh
[09:03] <dr_willis> heee
[09:03] <dabaSlon> well, you can, after you are admin, I can now
[09:03] <dabaSlon> I am admin
[09:03] <pppoe_dude> not as the user, but by logging in to a temporary session as root
[09:03] <dabaSlon> I can do everything, like any computer, and more
[09:04] <EricL> I have a question
[09:04] <pppoe_dude> lol
[09:04] <dabaSlon> pppoe_dude: throguh gdm?
[09:04] <pppoe_dude> dabaSlon, yes
[09:04] <dabaSlon> go, EricL
[09:04] <The_Universe> EricL, dont ask to ask just ask
[09:04] <dabaSlon> he started off.
[09:04] <dabaSlon> pppoe_dude: you can allow it, pppoe_dude
[09:04] <dabaSlon> :)
[09:05] <The_Universe> ill slap you silly EricL
[09:05] <pppoe_dude> lol... i think i'll tweak a bit more and come back
[09:05] <pppoe_dude> ill be around
[09:05] <EricL> Can I use a Westell  WireSPeed DSL modem with Ubuntu and a USB connection?
[09:05] <dabaSlon> The_Universe: :)
[09:05] <spinifex> what exactly does he want?  sheesh
[09:05] <dabaSlon> I can tell you how to allow it.
[09:05] <dabaSlon> even in xnest.
[09:05] <Loki|muh> hi!
[09:05] <dabaSlon> yo!
[09:05] <reisio> HIYO!
[09:05] <dabaSlon> hey, jiyuu0.
[09:05] <Loki|muh> can anyone tell me which fdisk-tool is used by the ubuntu-installer?
[09:06] <dabaSlon> tell pppoe_dude about allowing root to enter through gdm...
[09:06] <The_Universe> hmm i havent tried ubuntu personally but i only hear good reviews about it
[09:06] <The_Universe> they'll even send you free cds and theyll even pay for shipping
[09:06] <The_Universe> thats hot
[09:06] <tweakism_> EricL: Is it not possible to connect it via Ethernet?  Almost all cable/dsl modems/systems are supported that way.  I don't know anything about USB wrt them, though.
[09:06] <jiyuu0> dabaSlon, hello
[09:06] <dabaSlon> westelll, why, does it only have a USB connection?
[09:06] <reisio> nobile: around 500 it looks like
[09:06] <dabaSlon> hey, pppoe_dude are you still here?
[09:06] <jsgotangco> The_Universe, basically, it works (tm)
[09:07] <pppoe_dude> yes
[09:07] <The_Universe> jsgotangco, who makes ubuntu? africans?
[09:07] <EricL> I just ask because I am not sure if it is my ethernet port being just dead or a faulty ethernet card, that is why I asked
[09:07] <reisio> The_Universe: lol
[09:07] <tweakism_> The_Universe: I installed ubuntu a little while ago to give it a test run.  I haven't gotten into the guts yet, but the default desktop install is pretty well-rounded/well-polished, and I certainly like Debian except for the notorious outdatedness.
[09:07] <dabaSlon> The_Universe: yes.
[09:07] <pppoe_dude> dabaSlon, still here
[09:08] <The_Universe> in african maybe they should worry about producing enough grain to feed their people and keep ebola at bay, dont worry about developing linux distros
[09:08] <jsgotangco> The_Universe, no, there are some africans though but the developers are located worldwide
[09:08] <dabaSlon> pppoe_dude: you can login to gdm as root, do you want to?
[09:08] <The_Universe> ah
[09:08] <pppoe_dude> dabaSlon, from within my user account?\
[09:08] <jsgotangco> The_Universe, but the Ubuntu hogfather is South African
[09:09] <spinifex> pppoe_dude:  What exactly do you want?
[09:09] <nobile> reisio, if you try dvorak, I bet you can make it to 600 in a month
[09:09] <reisio> doesn't sound like much of a gain
[09:09] <deaNspare> dabaSlon accept pm
[09:09] <The_Universe> my debian distro works too
[09:09] <dabaSlon> why, dean?
[09:09] <reisio> I've always planned on learning dvorak, though - if only to impress people :p
[09:09] <nobile> that's the first month
[09:09] <mpq> I'm not sure why I want to use dvorak
[09:09] <mpq> I don't type a lot
[09:09] <dabaSlon> through gdm, yes...
[09:09] <jsgotangco> The_Universe, not surprised, after all, Ubuntu is derived from Debian
[09:09] <mpq> eh, probably the same reason I use linux
[09:09] <dr_willis> get one of those totally blank key keyboards. :P
[09:09] <nobile> mpq, try it, you'll feel very comfortable with it
[09:09] <deaNspare> wait dw
[09:09] <spinifex> reisio: bad reason.  Using dvorak nearly /always/ pisess people off instead of impressing them
[09:09] <deaNspare> ;P
[09:09] <dabaSlon> you can xnesst, if you want to be fancy...
[09:09] <reisio> dr_willis: heheh
[09:09] <pppoe_dude> spinifex: to normally log into gdm from a user account, click on "network settings", have it ask me for a root password, and change the settings
[09:09] <The_Universe> im runnin kde now
[09:09] <The_Universe> think ima switch to fluxbox or something soon
[09:09] <reisio> spinifex: no I mean to be able to switch from QWERTY to Dvorak
[09:09] <mpq> I don't do work or a lot of computer stuff but I use linux anyway
[09:10] <deaNspare> anyone know any programs like limewire etc that can be installed into linux?
[09:10] <The_Universe> but for some reason flux makes my shit freeze when i move windows
[09:10] <hondje> mpq: me too
[09:10] <WS05> Hey folks.... Noob here.... I just got Ubuntu installed on a laptop with a wireless connection.  I am getting signal strengh to my router, but can't get any connection to the internet... any ideas?
[09:10] <mpq> heh
[09:10] <dr_willis> deaNspare,  Limewire can :P
[09:10] <mpq> glad it's not me
[09:10] <deaNspare> linky link?
[09:10] <deaNspare> :p
[09:10] <mpq> *not just me
[09:10] <hondje> mpq: hehe...I've been doing it 5 years, I've come to the conclusion I'll be a prepetual newbie
[09:10] <mpq> lol
[09:10] <mpq> sounds like me
[09:11] <dr_willis> deaNspare,  one place to learn - the Ubuntu Wiki :P it has a P2P section I think. also the Ubuntu Add-on cd has limewire and otehr progs I do recall.
[09:11] <The_Universe> or maybe ill give xfce4 a shot
[09:11] <reisio> The_Universe: Xfce4 is a nice light DE
[09:11] <spinifex> pppoe_dude: hmm, don't know how to make network-admin work like that.  I'd say the best solution though is to add an entry to sudoers that ONLY allows using that program, and not any other.  That way it wont give extra privileges.  It will still ask them their password though
[09:11] <dabaSlon> deaNspare: this guy, jiyuu0 made a guide...
[09:11] <deaNspare> yea?
[09:11] <deaNspare> for?
[09:11] <dabaSlon> http://ubuntuguide.org , and it has limewire there.
[09:11] <pppoe_dude> spinifex: ok... its just that fedora had this option
[09:11] <deaNspare> ok still cant update smoothly
[09:11] <deaNspare> says i cant access one site
[09:11] <deaNspare> to get the updates
[09:12] <dabaSlon> guys, his sudo apt-get update dont work after these sources... http://pastebin.ca/12581
[09:13] <pppoe_dude> why isnt gnomedesktop.org working??!
[09:13] <hondje> vacation?
[09:13] <pppoe_dude> mayb
[09:13] <hondje> it's a lot of work eing around 24/7/356 :-(
[09:14] <spinifex> pppoe_dude: how did they do it?
[09:15] <deaNspare> :( wat happens if i put the source stuff back to defualt daba?
[09:15] <pppoe_dude> spinifex, you'd click on, say, network settings... it will ask you for the 'root' account password, then log you in as root for 5 minutes inside gdm
[09:15] <pppoe_dude> allowing you to change settings, etc...
[09:15] <pppoe_dude> then it expires
[09:15] <dabaSlon> pppoe_dude: Im telling yuo, you shoiuld be able to admin in ubuntu...
[09:16] <dabaSlon> deaNspare: not sure, it can be normal...
[09:16] <pppoe_dude> dabaSlon, should be, but can't... it asks me for a root password, but ubuntu seems to be thinking i'm still trying to sudo
[09:16] <dabaSlon> just not download lots.
[09:16] <deaNspare> ok
[09:16] <dabaSlon> you are. in fact.
[09:16] <hyphenated> pppoe_dude: asks you for _root_'s password? it should ask for your current user's password
[09:16] <dabaSlon> deaNspare: if you can find one, there is one on the wiki, you can uncomment universe there and try.
[09:17] <dabaSlon> pppoe_dude: you are. in fact.
[09:17] <pppoe_dude> hyphenated, it says "changing user: please enter your password"
[09:17] <dabaSlon> you need to be admin, to be able to.
[09:17] <The_Universe> wow xfce looks hot!
[09:17] <The_Universe> from the flash demos
[09:17] <dabaSlon> its hot...someone said that.
[09:17] <pppoe_dude> OK... i have a simple question then...
[09:18] <daniels> pppoe_dude: your password
[09:18] <deaNspare> :( i wanna do all the updates but its gay and wont let me
[09:18] <deaNspare> lol they got owned
[09:18] <Dethread> here we go again...
[09:18] <dabaSlon> http://www.mts.net/~danb/Screenshot-3.png is my gnome.
[09:18] <daniels> hooray for freenode
[09:18] <MistaED> hey has anyone had any problems with the amd64 kernels not booting properly?
[09:18] <pppoe_dude> how would you change a setting in gnome while logged in as a normal user?
[09:18] <dabaSlon> netsplit
[09:18] <Madpilot> WTF just happened?
[09:18] <dabaSlon> ^
[09:18] <verden01> no
[09:18] <dabaSlon> can you sudo at all?
[09:18] <spinifex> what happens when you run root terminal as a normal user?
[09:19] <pppoe_dude> you can't sudo if you're not on the sudoers list
[09:19] <dabaSlon> do you know the other users password that has sudo?
[09:19] <dabaSlon> is there one?
[09:19] <dabaSlon> if not, you need one.
[09:19] <pppoe_dude> yes there is,
[09:19] <spinifex> I finally get the problem!
[09:19] <pppoe_dude> but i have to get out of gnome to do that
[09:19] <dabaSlon> do you know his password?
[09:19] <dabaSlon> no.
[09:19] <dabaSlon> do you know his password?
[09:19] <pppoe_dude> i know the passwords
[09:19] <dabaSlon> are you running a hoary insatll or a upgrade from warty
[09:19] <dabaSlon> ?
[09:19] <MistaED> i've been running 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic for some time, very good but i wanted to try 2.6.10-5-amd64-k8
[09:19] <pppoe_dude> hoary install
[09:20] <dabaSlon> ok, well,
[09:20] <spinifex> pppoe_dude:  Applications->System Tools-> Run as Different User
[09:20] <dabaSlon> open a terminal for danko to teach you sonmething.
[09:20] <MistaED> the k8 one refused to boot because it thinks root is hda1, so i've been using generic
[09:20] <dabaSlon> come on.
[09:20] <MistaED> but now i reinstalled k8 to see if that would fix it and now both k8 & generic won't boot
[09:20] <dabaSlon> netgather already:)
[09:20] <pppoe_dude> spinifex... ok i think im getting somewheer
[09:20] <MistaED> so my system is somewhat buggered
[09:20] <dabaSlon> pppoe_dude: dont do it that way
[09:21] <dabaSlon> spinifex: what is that??? some gui stuff?
[09:21] <pppoe_dude> dabaSlon: no
[09:21] <MistaED> i've checked grub's menu.lst and it all points to hda3 as root which is correct, has anyone got any ideas?
[09:21] <pppoe_dude> dabaSlon... i'm trying the root terminal... and it works,
[09:21] <dabaSlon> ok, well, open that terminal.
[09:21] <dabaSlon> well, even that.
[09:21] <spinifex> dabaSlon: yes.
[09:21] <pppoe_dude> dabaSlon... i need a couple of minutes
[09:21] <MistaED> am i the only amd64 user (with hoary 5.04) which has this problem?
[09:21] <dabaSlon> do a adduser pppoe admin
[09:21] <dabaSlon> you dont.
[09:21] <dabaSlon> its late here.
[09:21] <dabaSlon> :-p
[09:22] <pppoe_dude> PERFECT!!
[09:22] <MistaED> root with hd(0,2) and hda3 it's set to in the file
[09:22] <WS05> Hey folks.... Noob here.... I just got Ubuntu installed on a laptop with a wireless connection.  I am getting signal strengh to my router, but can't get any connection to the internet... any ideas?
[09:22] <pppoe_dude> run as a different user did the job
[09:22] <pppoe_dude> :>
[09:22] <The_Universe> hey what version of xfce4 comes with ubuntu?
[09:23] <hondje> The_Universe: 4.2.1
[09:23] <pppoe_dude> dabaSlon, now i can run root commands on my current Display from gnome without logging out... and no  need for sudo
[09:23] <dabaSlon> pppoe_dude: you can change into a user by su username
[09:23] <dabaSlon> pppoe_dude: like on fedora???????????????????????????
[09:23] <MistaED> what's the command to reload the grub file?
[09:23] <pppoe_dude> dabaSlon, yes but if i do that, then i can't run any graphical apps...
[09:24] <pppoe_dude> dabaSlon, i'll get an error... can't open display
[09:24] <dabaSlon> to add yourself, I meant;.
[09:24] <dr_willis> Hmm they are useing gnome-sudo i think :P
[09:24] <hondje> like on any unix distro, even ubuntu has su ;)
[09:24] <pppoe_dude> dabaSlon.... but everyting works now
[09:24] <dabaSlon> pppoe_dude: like in fedora??????????????????????
[09:24] <pppoe_dude> dabaSlon, yes
[09:24] <MistaED> atm i'm stuck with the live cd it looks :( could someone please help?
[09:24] <dabaSlon> OMGOMG...:-p
[09:24] <pppoe_dude> dabaSlon.. there is absolutely no reason for me to go back to fedorqa now
[09:24] <daniels> dabaSlon: please don't repeat, especially with that many question marks
[09:24] <dabaSlon> MistaED: why?
[09:25] <dabaSlon> daniels, go back to sleep:)
[09:25] <pppoe_dude> daniels. it wasnt a repeat actually
[09:25] <MistaED> ubuntu won't boot anymore
[09:25] <pppoe_dude> one had in one had on
[09:25] <dr_willis> o_o
[09:25] <MistaED> it tries to look for the root fs on hda1, but it's on hda3
[09:25] <dabaSlon> pppoe_dude: :) it was a joke, so I did it twice, cause I wanted to prove that point...
[09:25] <pppoe_dude> k
[09:26] <dabaSlon> so, you wanna add an entry to grub, or modify the one there right fronm grub.
[09:26] <pppoe_dude> can somebody try www.gnomedesktop.org again and tell me if it work now?
[09:26] <pppoe_dude> *works
[09:26] <hondje> pppoe_dude: seems dead
[09:26] <pppoe_dude> ok
[09:27] <dabaSlon> anyhow, pppoe_dude ubuntu is a much more linux/gnu than fedora
[09:27] <dabaSlon> its a debian, are those users back?
[09:27] <pppoe_dude> dabaSlon true
[09:27] <hondje> why do you say that, dabaSlon ?
[09:28] <dabaSlon> cause it is, just look at the facts, I know this for a fact, yopu dont like how I act...bdp...
[09:28] <pppoe_dude> are you rapping?
[09:28] <Madpilot> pppoe_dude: gnomedesktop is either dead or really, really slow.
[09:28] <dabaSlon> krs is
[09:28] <dabaSlon> i typed it in.
[09:28] <dabaSlon> mad. I would say dead.
[09:29] <pppoe_dude> ya\
[09:29] <pppoe_dude> dead
[09:29] <pppoe_dude> any mirrors?
[09:29] <dabaSlon> yup. mirror.mirror.mr
[09:29] <Madpilot> anyone run SATA HDD w/ Ubuntu/Linux? any trouble with them?
[09:29] <dabaSlon> MistaED: did you get that?
[09:29] <Madpilot> it's not dead, just sleeping (cue the rest of the dead parrot sketch...) :)
[09:29] <pschulz01> Development documentation-- eg. man pclose -- what package is required?
[09:30] <The_Universe> hondje, damn debian repositories only have 4.0.6
[09:30] <dabaSlon> are you doing commedy, Madpilot?
[09:30] <dabaSlon> :)
[09:30] <The_Universe> looks like a source compile :-/
[09:30] <hondje> The_Universe: That's what pushed me into going with ubuntu, The_Universe :)
[09:30] <Madpilot> dabaSlon: only because it's late here.
[09:30] <The_Universe> hondje, eh i dont mind compilin from source
[09:30] <hondje> then I discovered gnome 2.10 did NOT suck, at least ubuntufied, so I stayed :)
[09:30] <The_Universe> hondje, back to the good ole days :)
[09:30] <hondje> I do, I'm a busy guy, and not very tech savvy
[09:31] <dabaSlon> Madpilot: I was jj, cause of something earlier in the chat...cause pppoe_dude asked if I was rapping, when I referred to something.
[09:31] <Madpilot> dabaSlon: missed that, I was blowing things up in Scorch3d...
[09:33] <The_Universe> whats ubuntus package manager system? apt?
[09:33] <spinifex> synaptic
[09:33] <hondje> The_Universe: yep
[09:33] <Juhaz> dpkg
[09:33] <spinifex> and, yes
[09:33] <hondje> dpkg, apt-get, etc
[09:33] <The_Universe> nice
[09:33] <spinifex> tall that
[09:33] <spinifex> *all
[09:33] <danko_slp> aptitude...
[09:33] <spinifex> you can use kynaptic too
[09:33] <hondje> In my ignorant opinion, it's new desktop stuff w/ debian under it
[09:33] <spinifex> yes, it is
[09:34] <hondje> as stable as sid, but with xorg and the like
[09:34] <danko_slp> yes, I know that too, I am knowledgeable...
[09:34] <danko_slp> :-p
[09:34] <hondje> :)
[09:34] <hondje> that confuses me though
[09:34] <spinifex> but synaptic adds the ability to select multiple packages to install at once
[09:34] <The_Universe> hondje, i like a stable underlying system and if i need a non essential app thats most up to date i can just compile that from scratch
[09:34] <danko_slp> you can install all...whatever...
[09:34] <hondje> Like, I wanted to ask the vim guy to make :syntax on default, but the package has a debian dev as the maintainer...so who do you call?
[09:34] <danko_slp> go read.
[09:35] <FreezerX> apt also provide the possibility to install many packages at the same time
[09:35] <spinifex> really?  how?
[09:35] <hondje> spinifex: just put spaces between them
[09:35] <danko_slp> complete words into sentences,.
[09:35] <spinifex> oh.  =p
[09:35] <hondje> sudo apt-get install xfce4 kubuntu-desktop vim
[09:35] <FreezerX> apt-get install package1 package2 ...
[09:36] <The_Universe> wow! amazing what a little lube can do for the quiteness of your fans
[09:36] <spinifex> well, I guess Synaptic doesn't add that much.  But its search feature with extended description panel is kind of nice
[09:36] <danko_slp> it is a gui for apt:)
[09:36] <spinifex> yes it is
[09:36] <hondje> I was using synaptic every once in a while to find stray packages that didn't get erased, but then someone showed me deborphan
[09:37] <danko_slp> go try aptitude
[09:37] <danko_slp> just for him to see.
[09:37] <hondje> just apt-get works fairly well for me, combined with apt-cache search
[09:38] <danko_slp> obviously it has to work...
[09:39] <spinifex> it's quite nice how everything can be done by either gui or textmode.  Really helps when you need to make administrative changes from a box without a way of receiving graphics.  Or just to make a server without them
[09:40] <cert> hei people.. curios anyone trying to change the firefox theme in linue
[09:40] <cert> linux
[09:40] <cert> ??
[09:40] <hondje> yeah, or admin a small network with ssh and apt :)
[09:40] <danko_slp> it is good programming practice to have multiple interfaces:) and to code with good style.
[09:40] <danko_slp> design
[09:40] <cert> download a jar file
[09:40] <cert> but can't seems to apply it
[09:40] <danko_slp> cert, change the whole team
[09:40] <danko_slp> team, lol
[09:40] <cert> danko_slp, i would like to change the theme in firefox
[09:40] <danko_slp> just a sec
[09:41] <spinifex> hmm, lemme try that
[09:41] <IIIEars> << learning C++ - But keep seeing FORTRAN. (shrug) practice makes perfect.
[09:41] <hondje> yay fortran!
[09:42] <incubii> all your fortran are belong to object pascal
[09:42] <hondje> everything possible has been done in fortran, so you just need to write a couple lines to patch together everything :D
[09:42] <hondje> so easy, even hondje can do it!
[09:42] <MistaED> dabaSlon: sorry i just went off to do something, yeah i wanted to just reload the menu.lst into the boot sector
[09:42] <IIIEars> wide grin
[09:43] <geargolem> how do I put my gcc in a PATH for compiling?
[09:43] <MistaED> maybe installing the kernel using synaptic didn't run grub to add the details or something
[09:43] <danko_slp> cert: first, open about:config in ff
[09:43] <hondje> geargolem: just sudo apt-get install gcc, or maybe build-essential
[09:44] <hondje> MistaED: try running update-grub yourself?
[09:44] <MistaED> is that the command? thanks
[09:44] <cert> danko_slp >> where is hte about:config
[09:44] <MistaED> i'll just chroot and do that....
[09:44] <danko_slp> updategrub
[09:44] <The_Universe> hmm thunar project seems cool
[09:44] <The_Universe> maybe ill join
[09:44] <The_Universe> sounds interesting
[09:44] <MicroChris> hey guys
[09:44] <MistaED> although i found a post with someone having the same problem
[09:44] <IIIEars> about:config   for firefox??
[09:45] <danko_slp> in your address bar, that is where, cert
[09:45] <cert> danko_slp, done
[09:45] <MicroChris> Anyone figure out how to get X working on Breezy yet?
[09:45] <danko_slp> ok, go down, to vendorsub
[09:45] <incubii> with an enema
[09:45] <danko_slp> it is after the dot
[09:45] <cert> ok..
[09:45] <danko_slp> MistaED: to reload grub, updategrub, as root,
[09:46] <danko_slp> update-grub
[09:46] <MicroChris> Anyone figure out how to get X working on Breezy yet?
[09:46] <cert> danko_slp , i see general.useragent.vendorSub
[09:46] <danko_slp> cert, is it 1.0?
[09:46] <cert> yup
[09:46] <danko_slp> double click on it to change it to 1.0.4
[09:47] <danko_slp> then, go tools, themes, get more
[09:47] <danko_slp> and install one
[09:47] <danko_slp> and then restart ff, and there it is:)
[09:47] <danko_slp> I dont use ff, epiphany is nices.
[09:47] <danko_slp> nicer
[09:47] <beginner> goddmorning
[09:47] <reisio> mornin'
[09:48] <danko_slp> haha
[09:48] <danko_slp> he left
[09:48] <MicroChris> i wanna get my info from Breezy and then Im reinstalling to Hoary :(
[09:48] <danko_slp> yup.
[09:48] <danko_slp> get your info...
[09:48] <MicroChris> all my data
[09:48] <spinifex> woo, that works great.  thanks
[09:48] <MicroChris> music, etc
[09:48] <danko_slp> spinifex, what works?
[09:49] <reisio> it's all about using X on selinux
[09:49] <danko_slp> yeah totally.
[09:50] <beginner> does anybody know what do i have to do to send files on gaim?
[09:50] <danko_slp> MicroChris: that is data.
[09:50] <danko_slp> yes, drag and drop
[09:50] <reisio> beginner: getting an error or anything?
[09:50] <danko_slp> yeah, a pebcac
[09:50] <danko_slp> :-p
[09:51] <danko_slp> lmao
[09:51] <MistaED> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36573&highlight=grub hmm, the solution looks a bit dumb
[09:51] <danko_slp> MistaED: if you are reloading grub, sudo update-grub
[09:51] <MicroChris> danko_slp i know what data is
[09:51] <MicroChris> heh
[09:51] <danko_slp> well, its nto info, its data.
[09:52] <spinifex> danko_slp: the firefox thing
[09:52] <danko_slp> oh that was you
[09:52] <danko_slp> ?
[09:52] <MicroChris> well i have INFO on there i need
[09:52] <danko_slp> i dont knwo what Im doing, I am doing this in slp
[09:52] <MicroChris> as well as data
[09:52] <danko_slp> data
[09:52] <MicroChris> whatever just stfu
[09:52] <danko_slp> info is data within a context. that is data.
[09:53] <danko_slp> ha.
[09:53] <danko_slp> woot 4 me
[09:53] <danko_slp> woot woot.
[09:53] <hondje> +1
[09:53] <danko_slp> :) hondje
[09:53] <hondje> :)
[09:54] <danko_slp> awesome
[09:54] <hondje> indeedy
[09:54] <danko_slp> so yuo gonna leave:-p
[09:54] <danko_slp> lol
[09:54] <hondje> negative sir
[09:55] <hondje> I'm busy earning income whilst I troll the internet
[09:55] <danko_slp> I would make the most money.
[09:55] <hondje> It's quite possible, I make crap :)
[09:55] <hondje> oh, yeah, dur
[09:55] <danko_slp> h
[09:56] <hondje> You already got overtime tonight
[09:56] <danko_slp> working in slp
[09:56] <hondje> that's dedication
[09:57] <danko_slp> yup. I am
[09:58] <geargolem> gcc is installed but not in the PATH
[09:58] <hondje> how did you install it?
[09:58] <geargolem> synaptic
[09:58] <hondje> where'd it put it, if not in your path?
[09:58] <danko_slp> what gives you that error?
[09:58] <hondje> [hondje @ jihad:~] $which gcc
[09:58] <hondje> /usr/bin/gcc
[09:59] <danko_slp> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:59] <MistaED> yeah i'm thinking it's not grub
[09:59] <MistaED> as it boots the kernel image
[09:59] <Glitch407x> Anybody can help me?
[09:59] <danko_slp> no
[10:00] <danko_slp> sorry
[10:00] <MistaED> just the kernel boots a little and then tries to look at root as hd(0,0) or hda3
[10:00] <MistaED> *hda1
[10:00] <danko_slp> go ahead ask, I gues...:-/
[10:00] <MistaED> and not hda3 where the root is installed
[10:00] <danko_slp> hda 0 2
[10:01] <Glitch407x> K, Just installed ubuntu and after the install while booting up it says 'unable to start x drive "gui".
[10:01] <danko_slp> what graphics card?
[10:01] <Glitch407x> i have an ati and an intel onboard.
[10:02] <danko_slp> take out the ati and reinstall
[10:02] <danko_slp> oh, do you need it?
[10:02] <Glitch407x> lol
[10:03] <Glitch407x> I use it for my gaming on xp
[10:03] <danko_slp> ok, well take it out for the linux
[10:03] <hondje> well, get rid of that too
[10:03] <plod[wk] > ati-- :(
[10:03] <Glitch407x> So take it out, set the onboard as main, re run the install and see if that works?
[10:03] <danko_slp> plod, you should reallyu b working.
[10:04] <MistaED> or run the fglx or whatever?
[10:04] <MistaED> the ati driver
[10:04] <hondje> Glitch407x: Yes, and then you can go through the hell of ati and linux
[10:04] <plod[wk] > yes i should :(
[10:04] <plod[wk] > ati does suck in linux
[10:04] <wdh> hondje, is it that bad?
[10:04] <danko_slp> glitch, you can get ati to work in linux, if you really need it that much.
[10:04] <midg3t> considering the topic says "jusk ask" - is there a known problem with the australian hoary package mirror?
[10:05] <hondje> wdh: Well, I bet I could do it, but it's one of those famously rough things for newbie to do
[10:05] <Glitch407x> I don't (have) to have it work, Iv just been wanting to check out the distro.
[10:05] <MistaED> planetmirror/australia was damn slow yesterday
[10:05] <midg3t> i'm getting timeouts atm.
[10:05] <hondje> nvidia drivers are much easier to install, and run better too
[10:05] <Glitch407x> I had problems with my ati card in xandros also..I know there is little to no support for ati cards in the linux world. :(
[10:05] <midg3t> interestingly sf.net is down for maintenance atm too
[10:06] <hondje> which is lame, they'll support stinkin' macs :)
[10:06] <wdh> hondje, i was trying to install the VIA driver for my onboard Unichrome card.. still stuck with the vesa driver up untill now
[10:06] <MistaED> i got like 4kb/s from planetmirror/australia yesterday instead of the normal 150kb/s
[10:06] <danko_slp> midg3t: likely, au, yes
[10:06] <hondje> the nvidia ones just want you to download the kernel-heades pkg and kernel source pkg, then just run a little script and edit xorg.conf
[10:07] <Glitch407x> Do you think it will possible work if I just set the main monitor to onboard and reboot ubuntu?
[10:07] <danko_slp> glitch install it...
[10:07] <MistaED> do i remove a package with apt or dpkg? i'm thinking this security update made my generic kernel go screwy
[10:07] <hondje> MistaED: either works, apt-get remove or dpkg -r
[10:07] <MistaED> i would just disable the onboard in the bios for now, glitch
[10:07] <MistaED> ok, thanks
[10:08] <benplaut> can someone try to explain to me what Usenet is? All i can find are sites saying that there is no definition of usenet, look elsewhere
[10:08] <Glitch407x> mistaEd, the onboard is an intel and the ATI card is giving me all the hell I guess.
[10:08] <wdh> benplaut, usenet is a newsgroup, might be compared to a mailinglist only the messages are stored on a server
[10:08] <danko_slp> hell:)
[10:09] <wdh> s/newsgroup/very large collection of newsgroups
[10:09] <benplaut> wdh: thanks... thats what i was trying to find out :)
[10:09] <wdh> benplaut, try wikipedia for a more clear definition though
[10:09] <MistaED> i was just thinking that the onboard could be stuffing up the ati
[10:10] <Glitch407x> lol, crazy linux world. I can't wait for the day when everything just works.
[10:10] <MistaED> so ubuntu could just run the open source ati module
[10:10] <Glitch407x> Ahhh.ok I see what you mean.
[10:10] <mez> are there any drawbacks to using xcompmgr (just for shadows - I have translucency options set off... they make my comp too slow
[10:10] <Glitch407x> Ill give it a shot and if not, Ill remove my ati card and install ubuntu again..its my last shot b4 I give up lol
[10:11] <mez> Glitch407x: what problem you geing with ATI cards?
[10:12] <IIIEars> ATI cards work fine. :)
[10:12] <mez> yeah thats what i thought.
[10:12] <danko_slp> he just installed and cant start x, thats all.
[10:12] <mez> you mean he's just installed it, and ihe cant start x cause it's not used to the new card
[10:12] <mez> simple
[10:13] <danko_slp> someone just came up with a HELL, I dont remember,
[10:13] <mez> theres a REALLY simple fifor that
[10:13] <danko_slp> I todl him not to use it...:-p
[10:13] <hondje> 'twas I
[10:13] <MistaED> bugger, removed the generic kernel and when trying to reinstall it, apt is giving me all sorts of errors :(
[10:13] <hondje> ati hell
[10:13] <mez> Glitch407x: you still here?
[10:13] <danko_slp> mista, I told you, hda3 is on 0,2.
[10:13] <danko_slp> or 3.
[10:13] <danko_slp> If you wanted to try that,
[10:13] <Glitch407x> mez, yeah
[10:14] <mez> yo just installed a new vidoe card? and now X isnt working
[10:14] <mez> that right?
[10:14] <Glitch407x> no no no..lol
[10:14] <mez> whats theb problem then
[10:14] <MistaED> yes i know danko
[10:14] <MistaED> but grub is already set to them
[10:14] <danko_slp> you said 00
[10:14] <danko_slp> k, then.
[10:14] <MistaED> so it must be the kernel stuffing up
[10:14] <MistaED> yeah, the kernel booting up tries to look for 00
[10:15] <MistaED> but the grub file is set to 02/hda3
[10:15] <mez> you should never remove the kernel until you have a replacement
[10:15] <danko_slp> well, change it when it loads, grub has an editor.
[10:15] <Glitch407x> I just installed ubuntu, I have 2 video cards an Intel onboard and a pci ati 9200, my monitor is pullged into the pci card. when I boot after the install all i get is "unable to load x "gui"
[10:15] <danko_slp> and, yeah, taht was good, the kernel...
[10:15] <mez> ~Glitch - simple
[10:15] <MistaED> well the kernel is gone, yay
[10:15] <mez> reconfigure X
[10:15] <MistaED> and won't install back
[10:16] <Glitch407x> easy to say, Im new to linux.
[10:16] <mez> ok
[10:16] <mez> first of all
[10:16] <mez> you should really try diabling on board hardware through your bios if you're not going to us it
[10:16] <srid> shift+numlock enables numpad to be used for mouse navigation *temporarily* for a few minutes. How enable it permanently?
[10:16] <Glitch407x> K, I know how to do that.
[10:16] <mez> so... if you go into your bios and find the option to disable the onboard vidoeo
[10:16] <mez> that'll make things a lot easier
[10:16] <mez> then
[10:16] <mez> load up linux
[10:17] <mez> and login
[10:17] <Glitch407x> k.
[10:17] <mez> to the console
[10:17] <mez> and type
[10:17] <mez> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:17] <mez> and hopefully it should pick up your ATI card settings automatically
[10:17] <Glitch407x> Ok sounds easy enough.
[10:17] <danko_slp> good stuff.
[10:17] <mez> you dual booting Glitch407x
[10:17] <mez> ?
[10:18] <Glitch407x> yeah, I have xp on one drive and ubuntu on another.
[10:18] <mez> fair engouh
[10:18] <mez> well...
[10:18] <mez> try it
[10:18] <mez> It's real simple
[10:18] <mez> it's always best to use the bios to disable on bard stuff if you arne tusing it (I had same probelm with my sound card)
[10:18] <Glitch407x> I will, if all goes well Ill come back from linux in xchat and thank you :)
[10:18] <mez> but disable teh onboard in the bios
[10:19] <mez> and if ti doesnt, then come back and send me a msg on here...
[10:19] <danko_slp> UI think you amde the point.
[10:19] <mez> remember
[10:19] <mez> wait
[10:19] <Glitch407x> how do I just send a private message?
[10:19] <mez> one second
[10:19] <Glitch407x> <-also new to irc.
[10:19] <mez> have you changed your xorg.conf manually/
[10:19] <mez> msg mez message
[10:19] <bur[n] er> Glitch407x: google irc /msg
[10:19] <mez> /msg mez message
[10:19] <bur[n] er> Glitch407x: /help is always good too
[10:20] <MistaED> yep, killed ubuntu it looks
[10:20] <MistaED> yay
[10:20] <teknomaniac> hi could you be so kind and tell me what photo-viewer i should install,i want view next image by press space or something,sory for my en ,im new
[10:20] <MistaED> now apt is giving me all these problems on why it won't install back
[10:21] <danko_slp> yay!
[10:21] <deaNspare> hey guys which one is better for ubuntu? emule or limewire?
[10:21] <danko_slp> gtk-gnutella:-p
[10:21] <danko_slp> they are different, dean.
[10:22] <deaNspare> but thats gay and doesnt work lol :p
[10:22] <hondje> oh hey, chan is alive . . .
[10:22] <MistaED> any ideas on how to run X11 stuff from a chroot of the hdd from a live cd?
[10:22] <hondje> system -> preferences -> removable drives -> multimedia tab... I'd like to be able to nice xine after it loads, but gnome doesn't take ;'s or &&s in that section...any ideas on how to work around that?
[10:22] <HrdwrBoB> MistaED: yeah.. just run it
[10:23] <Madpilot> teknomaniac: gThumb does advance w/ spacebar. it's inc. in Ubuntu
[10:23] <MistaED> says error
[10:23] <HrdwrBoB> hrm.. actually good point it wouldn't have the pipe
[10:23] <danko_slp> hondje: to nice xine?
[10:23] <MistaED> hang on i'll just get the exact error
[10:23] <hondje> danko_slp: yeah, but automatically
[10:23] <HrdwrBoB> and it wouldn't have tcpip enabled in X
[10:23] <geneo91> mldonkey is good
[10:23] <danko_slp> hondje: whats nice?
[10:23] <HrdwrBoB> MistaED: run X from the chroot in the console is the easiest thing
[10:23] <MistaED> (synaptic:27887): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[10:24] <hondje> danko_slp: man nice :)
[10:24] <hondje> it's so xine can be a bit more hoggish with the cpu
[10:24] <danko_slp> oh, nice:)
[10:24] <MistaED> ok, open a new display with startx
[10:24] <danko_slp> :)
[10:24] <MistaED> how can that be achieved?
[10:24] <danko_slp> I remember, Im to slpy.
[10:24] <danko_slp> too
[10:25] <hondje> :)
[10:25] <MistaED> oh wait, the live cd wouldn't be able to load up my main xorg.conf because it's for the nvidia module
[10:25] <hondje> ditto, damn work :(
[10:25] <danko_slp> um a script?
[10:25] <srid> shift+numlock enables numpad to be used for mouse navigation *temporarily* for a few minutes. How enable it permanently?
[10:25] <danko_slp> then alias?
[10:25] <danko_slp> then open with?
[10:26] <MistaED> well it looks like ubuntu is buggered for me, sweet
[10:26] <danko_slp> yay;)
[10:27] <bigfoot> hi all. I'd like to play Real Audio Files on my Ubuntu PC. I thought I had everything set up already. I can view the Real Audio Streaming File at http://www.at.northwestern.edu/realtest/, but at http://broadband.nba.com/cc/playa.php?content=video&url=http://boss.streamos.com/real/nba/pod/pod_ginobili_m_050524_hi.smi&include=default_include.html&video=pod, Firefox just shows me the green puzzle piece icon and text that says "Click here to download
[10:27] <bigfoot>  plugin." Can anyone pinpoint my error?
[10:27] <hondje> if you look you can see where I mean....there's a box in that menu item for what to do upon getting a video dvd disk, but it will only take one commadn :(
[10:27] <danko_slp> bigfoot, download the files, install codecs
[10:28] <bigfoot> danko_slp, if you're talking about win32codecs, i already installed it.
[10:28] <bur[n] er> only downloaded material
[10:28] <danko_slp> bigfoot: so you are set on streaming real audio?
[10:29] <MistaED> ok i think i fixed it with magic
[10:29] <hondje> I did with kaffeine, awhile back ago on a debian box
[10:29] <MistaED> brb hope it works now
[10:29] <hondje> I think it was just static charge building up to show the clip that one single time
[10:30] <hondje> looks like he did it
[10:30] <Glitch407x> ehh..
[10:30] <bigfoot> danko_slp, i'm sorry, i'm not sure how to answer. On that first site I referred to, i can access the streaming Real file. THe file is played in Totem. But in the 2nd site (the nba.com), i don't know if it's streaming or not. I think it is.
[10:30] <Glitch407x> I checked bios and it doesnt give me the option to disable just says "primary video card" then you select wich one.
[10:30] <geneo91> nite all
[10:31] <hondje> pick the agp or pci or whatever one, that will work fine Glitch407x
[10:31] <danko_slp> bigfoot: maybe you would need the mplayer plugin try that.
[10:31] <hondje> Glitch407x: That's what I do on this desktop
[10:31] <Biff> bigfoot: mozilla-mplayer with w32codecs should be able to play it
[10:31] <bigfoot> danko_slp, i also have mplayer plugin installed.
[10:31] <danko_slp> ok, then
[10:31] <bigfoot> biff, did you try that nba.com site to confirm?
[10:32] <Biff> no, i didnt
[10:32] <bigfoot> Biff, just checked via Synaptic: I have mozilla-mplayer already installed, too.
[10:33] <bigfoot> Biff, and I have w32codecs installed too.
[10:33] <Biff> aswell as the w32 package from backports?
[10:33] <Biff> ok
[10:33] <hondje> how many w32codec packages are there?!
[10:34] <bur[n] er> bigfoot: you could full on install realplayer?
[10:34] <bur[n] er> actually... i'm not sure if it works with firefox
[10:34] <bur[n] er> i have mplayer plugin and that nba site doesn't work
[10:34] <hondje> if it didn't, couldn't he still open a location for the stream?
[10:35] <ctme> any metacity theming master around?
[10:38] <hondje> yay, work is done for a good 48 hrs
[10:39] <phend> mornin all
[10:39] <hondje> morning, phend
[10:39] <phend> can anybody recommend a good book for learning postgres?
[10:39] <phend> i've very little sql knowledge tho, so it needs to cover the basics
[10:40] <bigfoot> bur[n] er, what's the difference between a <full-on install> and the plugins that i have (for example mplayer, mozilla-mplayer, w32codecs, totem, xmms, etc)? which is better? if getting Realplayer will solve the problem, why does the ubuntuguide not recommend that? (instead it recommends getting the plugins, w32codecs)? thank you for teaching me.
[10:40] <memoryleak> phend, what i not recommend is the printed version of postgres doc
[10:41] <phend> memoryleak, i'll stay away from that then :)
[10:41] <bigfoot> is mozilla-plugin-vlc the solution?
[10:41] <hondje> where can one go to make a request for breezy?
[10:41] <deaNspare> why doesnt limewire close ?
[10:41] <deaNspare> lol
[10:42] <deaNspare> u click close it minimizes then it just minimizes to the tray and doest go away
[10:42] <benplaut> goodnight, all!
[10:42] <danko_slp> yay
[10:43] <hondje> The_Universe has quit ("Leaving") ....man, IRC sure can get cynical
[10:43] <bigfoot> does any body have bookmark duplicates, (and have a hard time deleting them)?
[10:45] <Glitch407x> No luck, think I should just use the onboard and reconfigure x?
[10:46] <hondje> That's what I would do
[10:46] <deaNspare> anyone help me? i cant close limewire lol
[10:47] <martii> so anyone solved /dev/md0 problem with ubuntu ?
[10:47] <martii> and udev ?
[10:47] <martii> array is just not assembled at boot time
[10:47] <fabbione> martii: on breezy?
[10:47] <martii> fabbione: 5.04
[10:48] <fabbione> martii: works fine here
[10:48] <martii> fabbione: not for me
[10:48] <martii> fabbione: 5.04 at start says
[10:48] <martii> /dev/md0 (mdadm-raid) no such file or direcotyr
[10:48] <fabbione> i recall fixing that specifically
[10:48] <fabbione> it's not udev btw
[10:49] <martii> fabbione: so whats the probmel
[10:49] <fabbione> to create /dev/md0 manually
[10:49] <fabbione> martii: no idea.. let me check
[10:49] <martii> fabbione: when I can assemble array manualy later
[10:49] <martii> fabbione: I read on forums that udev is not delivering /dev/md0 on time
[10:50] <martii> fabbione: or maybe md0 is somewhere else than /dev/md0
[10:50] <fabbione> martii: no the problem is way different :)
[10:50] <individ> hi all
[10:50] <fabbione> just gimme a few minutes please
[10:50] <martii> fabbione: so where is the problem
[10:50] <fabbione> i need to check the package again
[10:50] <kev0r> good morning
[10:50] <kev0r> can't seem to play OGM files
[10:50] <martii> fabbione: I even added M md0   b 9 0
[10:50] <martii> to the /etc/udev/links.conf
[10:50] <kev0r> is there anything i need to apt-get to make the OGM's work?
[10:51] <fabbione> martii: can you please give me 2 minutes to check the package?
[10:51] <martii> fabbione: didn't help
[10:51] <martii> fabbione: sure
[10:51] <fabbione> martii: as i asked 2 seconds ago...
[10:51] <hondje> I have DigitalVibrance set to 35 in the device section of xorg.conf, but I have to start nvidia-settings in gnome before it kicks in...anyone else have that problem?
[10:53] <Seveas> goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodmorning #ubuntu
[10:53] <danko_slp> yup
[10:54] <MistaED> still no ubuntu :(
[10:54] <fabbione> martii: can you please do the following: boot in single user mode and execute mdrun
[10:54] <danko_slp> Seveas: good night:)
[10:54] <fabbione> martii: that should create the devices properly...
[10:54] <martii> fabbione: ok wait a sec
[10:54] <MistaED> i got the exact error though, /bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6 cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:54] <martii> fabbione: I have this machine in other room
[10:55] <Madpilot> g'night, all...
[10:55] <Madpilot> quit
[10:55] <ice_1963> g/n
[10:55] <fabbione> martii: sure
[10:55] <fabbione> martii: take your time..
[10:58] <geargolem> how do you uncomment a line?
[10:58] <hondje> do a lot of lines start with #, geargolem ?
[10:59] <geargolem> yes
[10:59] <hondje> then removing the # at the beginning of a line will probably uncomment it
[10:59] <geargolem> thanks
[10:59] <hondje> 'probably' :)
[11:02] <cafuego> There we go.
[11:03] <bigfoot> in synaptic, if a file's version info has the name "ubuntu" in it, what significance does it have? does it mean that the package was designed for ubuntu users? I'm looking at "gmailfs" by the way. this package is in the universe, though. why? Thank you.
[11:03] <martii> fabbione: mdrun detects raid5 and assembles
[11:04] <Seveas> if the package has ubuntu in the version part of the name, it means that there are differences between the debian version and the ubuntu version
[11:04] <martii> fabbione: but after reboot /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid
[11:04] <martii> fabbione: is unable to assemble it again
[11:04] <martii> fabbione: says no /dev/md0
[11:05] <bigfoot> i see, Seveas. thank you.
[11:05] <martii> fabbione: seems that I will have to write additional startup script that will run mdrun instead of mdadm-raid
[11:05] <bigfoot> and if a package doesn't have "ubuntu" in the version part of the name, what does that mean?
[11:06] <devin> K, back.
[11:06] <MistaED> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=186041#post186041
[11:06] <bigfoot> Why would someone make a debian version and a seperate ubuntu version?
[11:06] <fabbione> martii: that's the funny part... mdrun should be executed automatically but it's not
[11:06] <hondje> if the debian one works in ubuntu, why not?
[11:06] <Glitch407> K, back.
[11:06] <fabbione> martii: just add mdrun to /etc/init.d/mdadm
[11:06] <cafuego> bigfoot: Different requirements, different distros.
[11:06] <fabbione> martii: that should be enough
[11:06] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: different libraries etc
[11:07] <Seveas> bigfoot, it means that there are no differences between the ubuntu version and the debian version (other than being rebuilt on ubuntu systems, which can make a difference)
[11:07] <martii> fabbione: but after upgrade it will be replaced
[11:07] <fabbione> martii: no. files in /etc are configuration files
[11:07] <cafuego> Speaking of, I just put a blootbot on the channel, which does ubuntu package contents/info searches like dpkg on #debian.
[11:08] <fabbione> but hopefully the next upgrade will have a fix :)
[11:08] <martii> fabbione: ok
[11:08] <fabbione> so don't be too worried about it
[11:08] <martii> fabbione: should i report a bug ?
[11:08] <martii> fabbione: btw it amd64
[11:08] <martii> fabbione: it's
[11:08] <fabbione> martii: yes please. bugzilla.ubuntu.com package mdadm
[11:08] <Seveas> cafuego, bots have been `banned' from this channel before, be careful
[11:09] <fabbione> martii: even if the problems is way behond that
[11:09] <Shufla> hello :D
[11:09] <transgress> anyone got some tips on getting my laptop to hibernate?
[11:09] <martii> fabbione: thanks for hints
[11:09] <cafuego> Seveas: I msg'd an op... we'll see what he says when he becomes un-idle.
[11:10] <Seveas> cafuego, which op?
[11:10] <fabbione> martii: you are welcome
[11:10] <cafuego> Seveas: bob2
[11:10] <drgnlegnd> so i've heard alot about this distro, what's all the hype about?
[11:10] <Seveas> good luck then, he is quite anti-bots :)
[11:10] <mpq> something's screwed up
[11:10] <cafuego> Seveas: I know him though ;-)
[11:10] <mpq> it won't let me lock the screen
[11:10] <Seveas> from #debian i suppose ;)
[11:11] <mpq> when I try to lock the screen nothing happens
[11:11] <Seveas> mpq, is xscreensaver running?
[11:11] <mpq> I don't know
[11:11] <mpq> how do I check?
[11:11] <Seveas> mpq: ps aux | grep xscreensaver | grep -v grep
[11:12] <cafuego> Seveas: Yeah, and from thinking up excuses to not go and see him at linux.conf.au <heh>
[11:12] <Seveas> :))
[11:12] <mpq> now what?
[11:13] <Seveas> did it give output?
[11:13] <hondje> pgrep screensaver ;0
[11:13] <mpq> was I supposed to type it all in at once?
[11:13] <Seveas> yes
[11:13] <mpq> no output
[11:13] <Seveas> ok, so xscreensaver isn't running
[11:13] <drgnlegnd> so can anyone tell me a bit about the distro?
[11:13] <mpq> is that the problem?
[11:13] <topyli> drgnlegnd: it rocks :)
[11:14] <Seveas> yes, that one needs to be running if you want to lock rhe screen
[11:14] <mpq> ok
[11:14] <hondje> drgnlegnd: It's basically debian underneath, with xorg and gnome 2.10
[11:14] <drgnlegnd> lol topyli, what's so different?
[11:14] <hondje> so stable, features, etc...it's pretty well made though
[11:14] <drgnlegnd> it's like it came out of nowhere overnight lol
[11:14] <Seveas> mpq, try this from a terminal: xscreensaver-command -lock
[11:14] <IIIEars> Ubuntu is terrific
[11:14] <hondje> yeah, lots of hype
[11:14] <drgnlegnd> guess i'll order some cds after all
[11:14] <Shufla> re
[11:14] <drgnlegnd> does it have kde?
[11:14] <hondje> for a desktop, it's the shit
[11:14] <hondje> kubuntu does
[11:15] <drgnlegnd> ohhhhh
[11:15] <topyli> drgnlegnd: i used to run debian unstable. now i have it but it's stable. and some stuff is newer than on unstable
[11:15] <Seveas> drgnlegnd, yes, but only on the downloadable cd's and in the repositories
[11:15] <martii> fabbione: I see that such problem was already reported
[11:15] <martii> fabbione: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4944
[11:15] <xxenon> what's the best hardware to build a very simple and SILENT linux server/firewall ? an old laptop ? a shuttle-like small PC ?
[11:15] <drgnlegnd> so the cds they send out now only use gnome?
[11:15] <mpq> seveas: no screensaver is running on display :0.0
[11:15] <Seveas> drgnlegnd, yes
[11:15] <Shufla> xxenon: pIII old one w/o cooler.
[11:15] <martii> fabbione: so I think I have to wait for merge of debian patches
[11:15] <hondje> drgnlegnd: yeah, but you can install kde or xfce with just one command
[11:15] <fabbione> martii: checking...
[11:15] <Seveas> mpq, in a terminal type: xscreensaver
[11:16] <xxenon> Shufla - PIII can run without cooler ?
[11:16] <Seveas> and after that you should be able to lock again
[11:16] <fabbione> martii: hmm ok...
[11:16] <Shufla> xxenon: afair. or celerons. we have piii cels as ultraquiet x-terminals
[11:16] <fabbione> martii: thanks for the heads up
[11:16] <mpq> can I close the terminal window now?
[11:16] <Seveas> xxenon, if you want it to be silent: go for those mini-pc's
[11:16] <Shufla> xxenon: network card was the most loud component
[11:16] <Seveas> mpq, if you get back to your prompt: yes
[11:16] <IIIEars> or an old laptop?
[11:16] <xxenon> Shufla - interesting ...
[11:16] <hondje> buy a mini mac
[11:17] <xxenon> yeah also.
[11:17] <Seveas> otherwise: interrupt xscreensaver and restart it with xscreensaver &
[11:17] <xxenon> Ill see what second hand hardware I can find here.
[11:17] <Shufla> afair minipc do have fans, and little fans are very very loud
[11:17] <hondje> ironically ours is in the shop because the fan went wwild and got LOUD
[11:17] <Seveas> and THEN you can close the terminal
[11:17] <hondje> Shufla: they have them, but it's not very loud
[11:17] <hondje> oh, you said minipcs
[11:17] <hondje> nm
[11:17] <mpq> I don't get what you said
[11:17] <martii> fabbione: I'll check out what debian patch did
[11:17] <mpq> so I just moved the terminal window to another workspace
[11:17] <IIIEars> A loud fan is anything manufactured by Gateway. - lol
[11:18] <Seveas> mpq, safest option :)
[11:18] <mpq> :)
[11:18] <Shufla> imho the best choice for u-quiet pc is smthing old without any fans and with quiet, no so fast modern disk.
[11:18] <fabbione> martii: that would be great
[11:18] <fabbione> martii: and just add the info to the bug report
[11:18] <xxenon> Shufla - I think I have a celeron 350 at home, but the fan was very loud...Ill see if I can removeit.
[11:18] <Seveas> my laptop is also extremely quiet
[11:18] <Seveas> but a bit too expensive for a simple firewall :)
[11:18] <groll> question : after upgrading some packages , is restart necessary?
[11:19] <topyli> no
[11:19] <Shufla> xxenon: try to remove the fan, lower it's power in bios. for router you do not need so much power.
[11:19] <Seveas> groll, only if you upgraded your kernel a restart is needed to use that kernel
[11:19] <xxenon> Shufla - yeah. And I will use a smartmedia card as HD.
[11:19] <groll> Seveas, k got it
[11:19] <hondje> soekris things, aren't those quiet?
[11:20] <IIIEars> buy an inexpensive router and hack an xbox to web serve?
[11:21] <Shufla> xxenon: good choice. once i had pc166 mmx w/o fans (even AC was w/o, some old IBM). but hdd was to loud, and i used new one. system was running quiet and nice. compilation was slow, but do not overburn the proc.
[11:21] <Shufla> s/do not/did not/
[11:21] <xxenon> nice.
[11:21] <xxenon> I will cross compile kernel and stuff on another machine aynway.
[11:22] <xxenon> and also I want to plug a wlan card in it..so Im not sure about CPU power...but I guess it's ok.
[11:23] <Shufla> xxenon: enough. that system do not have to be responsive. you can nice some processes to negative, so it'll run great.
[11:23] <Glitch407x> Anybody know how to setup screen resoultions in ubuntu?
[11:23] <k31th> Guys can you think of any software thats a good front end for storing company records such as repairs etc on pcs, just need a nice front end really
[11:23] <MistaED> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11135 <
[11:23] <Shufla> Glitch407x: warty or hoary?
[11:23] <MistaED> i've fallen into this bug, :(
[11:23] <IIIEars> Glitch - sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   - gnome
[11:24] <Glitch407x> I can run that from within the system?
[11:24] <Shufla> Glitch407x: do not msg.
[11:24] <Glitch407x> ok
[11:25] <Shufla> Glitch407x: ctl+alt+f1, login, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop, sudo dpkg-reconfigure..., sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[11:25] <k31th> anyone ?
[11:25] <Glitch407x> K ill give that a try shufla
[11:26] <Shufla> k31th: you need only frontend? so do you have db already?
[11:26] <k31th> i can use mysql for the db
[11:26] <k31th> the db currently does not exsist its my project
[11:27] <k31th> one iv been putting off and id like to crack on with tbh
[11:27] <transgress> anyone know what perms a folder should be so apache will let people look in it... i have a folder of pics and i don't feel like making a page of links for each of them...
[11:27] <Shufla> k31th: (my opinion - use pg) - maybe use python with wx-widgets?
[11:27] <k31th> Shufla: wats pg ?
[11:28] <Shufla> transgress: r-x for others, but .htaccess with Options +Indexes might be needed too
[11:28] <Shufla> k31th: postgresql.
[11:28] <k31th> i dont want to have to make it if possible ? id like to use a OS prject if there is one
[11:28] <k31th> i found this CitrusDB thing
[11:28] <k31th> but.. i dunno
[11:28] <k31th> all i need to do is keep a record of calls and call outs
[11:29] <k31th> atm im just dumping them in a spreadsheet
[11:29] <devin> I cntrl-alt-f1 and couldnt get back into ubuntu to copy what you typed, can you send it again?
[11:30] <Tallia1> hi guys.
[11:30] <sandoak> hello everyone....
[11:30] <sandoak> is cups bugged??
[11:30] <Tallia1> i was asking me if exists a traslator like babylon over linux
[11:31] <Tallia1> do you know someone!?
[11:31] <k31th> Shufla: no ideals then lol
[11:32] <transgress> hmm now i get an internal server error when i add +Indexes
[11:32] <MistaED> does anyone know what the security update package for the kernel package is called?
[11:32] <Shufla> transgress: httpd.apache.org , read logs /var/log/apache2/error.log
[11:34] <Seveas> MistaED, linux-image-2.6.10-5.2-$arch
[11:35] <fabbione> 5.2 ?????
[11:35] <sandoak> anyone know if cups is bugged and if there is a way to fix it??
[11:35] <opi> morning guys
[11:35] <MistaED> ok, thanks
[11:35] <fabbione> where that kernel is coming from???
[11:35] <fabbione> Seveas: ^^
[11:36] <MistaED> 5.2? or is it 5-2?
[11:36] <MistaED> nope, both don't work
[11:36] <fabbione> there is no 5.2 or 5-2
[11:36] <Seveas> that was off the top of my head, but i guess i'm wrong if fabbione is complaining :)
[11:36] <fabbione> linux-image-2.6.10-5-$arch
[11:36] <MistaED> well the latest security package broke my ubuntu
[11:37] <k31th> I really dont want to have to use access as the fornt end
[11:37] <MistaED> but that's what i've been using
[11:37] <fabbione> MistaED: how?
[11:37] <transgress> woot!  got it
[11:37] <MistaED> well i updated with the latest security kernel and now i have a boot problem
[11:37] <fabbione> why nobody can report a bug and tell me what is "broken"?
[11:37] <MistaED> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=186041
[11:37] <MistaED> and there's a report on bugzilla
[11:38] <Seveas> fabbione, more amd64 users have this problen, i've told a few to file the bug.
[11:39] <geev> i need the help
[11:39] <Seveas> fabbione, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11135
[11:39] <MistaED> i guess i'll reply to the bugzilla post
[11:39] <MistaED> yeah that one
[11:39] <fabbione>  /bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6 cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:39] <fabbione> this looks an error in the initrd
[11:39] <geev> any body
[11:39] <MistaED> exactly my problem :(
[11:39] <fabbione> not a kernel one
[11:39] <fabbione> MistaED: i am reading your post
[11:40] <Seveas> fabbione, i've heard someone say that there was no (updated?) initrd in the kernel package
[11:40] <MistaED> what would cause the initrd to be modified then? all i can remember is i reinstalled the k8 package, and then ran apt-get upgrade
[11:40] <fabbione> Seveas: the initrd image is generated at install time.
[11:40] <fabbione> Seveas: there is no pre-shipped initrd
[11:41] <fabbione> MistaED: can we try something?
[11:41] <Seveas> fabbione, ok, so the mkinitrd line seems to be missing from postinst
[11:41] <fabbione> MistaED: boot with the live cd and chroot into the broken system
[11:41] <martii> fabbione: it seem that the problem is with udev
[11:41] <fabbione> Seveas: no, the initrd is there but it seems broken
[11:41] <MistaED> yep already got a terminal up with the chroot
[11:41] <martii> fabbione: it is to slow to create all /dev links
[11:41] <fabbione> martii: the real problem is in the kernel, but upstream.. meh.. doesn't care
[11:41] <Seveas> ok /me shuts up again and lets the real experts handle it
[11:41] <martii> fabbione: and mdadm tries to use them
[11:42] <Glitch407x> eh I could puke Im so frustrated lol
[11:42] <martii> fabbione: so there is dirty work arround I think
[11:42] <fabbione> MistaED: can you show me the output from ls -las /boot/init* please? (in private)
[11:42] <fabbione> martii: yes
[11:43] <Tiboz> hey
[11:44] <MistaED> yep, in the query i pasted the output
[11:45] <Glitch407x> How do I change my monitor refresh rate in ubuntu? im stuck with 640x480 in the system prefs.
[11:45] <Shufla> eh. i'm going to smoke :d
[11:45] <fabbione> MistaED: ok... let's try this: mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-amd64-k8 2.6.10-5-amd64-k8
[11:45] <fabbione> MistaED: btw.. given that you have 2 kernel installed you can boot with the previous one
[11:46] <MistaED> the previous one is buggered aswell
[11:46] <fabbione> WEIRD
[11:46] <MistaED> indeed
[11:47] <fabbione> specially because none of this did appear on any of the tests we did
[11:49] <martii> fabbione: I did what debian dirty workaround and it works for me
[11:49] <MistaED> ok, well that command finished
[11:49] <MistaED> restart & try? or do something else?
[11:49] <fabbione> MistaED: you will need to try to boot with that kernel
[11:49] <martii> fabbione: I had to add my /etc/modules sata_sil as that's where my array is
[11:49] <dooglus> how do I list the files in a package?
[11:49] <martii> fabbione: hotplug is called to late I think
[11:50] <IIIEars> Glitch - I would like to help. - just too new.
[11:50] <IIIEars> << 4 weeks
[11:50] <thoreauputic> dooglus: try dpkg -L <packagename>
[11:51] <martii> fabbione: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4944#c5 it mentions debian howto
[11:51] <MistaED> ok, i'll go try the k8 one then
[11:51] <thoreauputic> dooglus: assuming it's installed
[11:51] <fabbione> martii: that could be, but initrd should have it
[11:51] <dooglus> it's installed, yes.  what if it wasn't?
[11:51] <martii> fabbione: so I think there is no reason to repeat it
[11:51] <martii> fabbione: I do further research
[11:51] <thoreauputic> dooglus: then I think you would need apt-file
[11:51] <fabbione> martii: thanks
[11:51] <martii> fabbione: reboot my server with just sata_sil added
[11:52] <martii> fabbione: and no changes to mdadm-raid init
[11:52] <martii> fabbione: or links.conf of udev
[11:52] <martii> fabbione: the problem is that I might have no sata_sil in initrd (don't knwo why
[11:53] <martii> fabbione: anyway addig just module to /etc/modules didn't work
[11:53] <fabbione> martii: sata is a bit of a "delicate" piece of code
[11:53] <dooglus> thanks, whoever you are.  dpkg -L was what I was looking for.  I can't see your name 'cos it's in bright yellow on white.
[11:53] <fabbione> martii: you will have to add it to the initrd
[11:53] <martii> fabbione: do it later
[11:54] <martii> fabbione: rebooting now with module and modified /etc/udev/links.conf
[11:54] <thoreauputic> dooglus: heh - thoreauputic
[11:55] <thoreauputic> is that also in bright yellow
[11:55] <thoreauputic> ?
[11:55] <hondje> anyone else find that selecting the antar skin in xine's skin selector kills xine-ui?
[11:55] <thoreauputic> dooglus: I guess your client is highlighting the line
[11:55] <martii> fabbione: didn't work, I'll try to use module + sleep 5 in mdadm-raid
[11:56] <hondje> when I pick it, I get xiTK received SIGSEGV signal, RIP.  Aborted.
[11:56] <martii> fabbione: no udev changes
[11:56] <fabbione> martii: sorry but you lost me
[11:56] <fabbione> martii: ETOOMANYINFO
[11:56] <fabbione> martii: can you please just add all the above in the bug report?
[11:56] <martii> fabbione: debian dirty workaround is
[11:57] <UnreA|L> How remove files from recycle bin with console ?
 it's highlighting because you're saying my name.  I'm using irrsi
[11:57] <thoreauputic> OK I'm thoreauputic
[11:57] <martii> fabbione: load module, create /dev/md? by links.conf and wait for few seconds before mdadm init of array
[11:57] <thoreauputic> dooglus: change your irssi theme so you can read things ;)
[11:58] <dooglus> haha.  hi thoreauputic.  I saw you right "heh - thoreauputic" earlier and though you had mis-spelt "therapeutic" - talking about how the yellow-on-white was good for me or something...
[11:58] <thoreauputic> NO, it's just a lame nick ;)
[11:58] <fabbione> martii: ok.. well it's probably already merged in breezy. you could just try to upgrade that single package
[11:58] <dooglus> can I get ubuntu to stop asking me for my password whenever I run synaptic?
[11:58] <fabbione> martii: it's probably the easiest
[11:58] <thoreauputic> dooglus: I'm stuck with it now since that is how I'm known
[12:01] <Seveas> dooglus, yes, by using NOPASSWD in your sudoers file. Read man sudoers for details
[12:01] <dooglus> thanks, shorter yellow-dude
[12:01] <egg|nosense> hi
[12:01] <Seveas> thoreauputic, you can always change nick, i've changed mine 3 time over the last years :)
[12:01] <egg|nosense> hi
[12:01] <Seveas> ih
[12:01] <MistaED> bugger, k8 still isn't working :(
[12:02] <Seveas> yw not-so-much-longer yellow dude ;)
[12:02] <fabbione> MistaED: same error?
[12:02] <thoreauputic> Seveas: yeah, I know - but people know this nick so I'll stay with it for now
[12:02] <MistaED> yeah, fabbione
[12:02] <thoreauputic> dooglus: seriously, change your irssi theme ;)
[12:03] <egg|nosense> how to do?
[12:03] <dooglus> I can change it?
[12:03] <thoreauputic> dooglus: you might need to read someone's long or short <yellow-dude>
[12:03] <egg|nosense> yes?
[12:03] <fabbione> MistaED: can you kindly put that initrd somewhere i can grab it?
[12:03] <thoreauputic> dooglus: hrm - lots of docs on irssi.org
[12:04] <MistaED> uhh, how exactly would you like me to do that?
[12:04] <hhurtta> no need to change irssi theme but to change background colour of your terminal
[12:04] <fabbione> MistaED: dunno.. do you have a web server or something?
[12:05] <MistaED> i mean which file do you want me to upload?
[12:05] <Seveas> dooglus, try this in irssi: /set theme colorless
[12:05] <MistaED> /etc/initrd or something?
[12:06] <mpq> what are other freenode channels?
[12:06] <fabbione> MistaED: /boot/initrd
[12:06] <Seveas> MistaED, /boot/initrd-2.6.10-5-k8 (oslt) is the initrd
[12:06] <fabbione> MistaED: the one we created before
[12:06] <Seveas> mpq type /list
[12:06] <Seveas> %)
[12:06] <mpq> ah ok
[12:06] <hondje> mpq: tons of various open source projects are on freenode, along with general nerd interest chans like #math
[12:06] <fabbione> MistaED: can you do another check for me please?
[12:06] <mpq> o_0
[12:06] <MistaED> sure
[12:07] <thoreauputic> mpq: there are hundreds, be warned
[12:07] <fabbione> MistaED: chroot again in the system and paste me the output of ldd /bin/ls
[12:07] <MistaED> but initrd.img, is that an actual image or just a link?
[12:07] <fabbione> MistaED: send me the actual image
[12:07] <fabbione> initrd.img is a symlink
[12:07] <mpq> there's an idlerpg on freenode?
[12:08] <hondje> mpq: ~290 people there
[12:08] <thoreauputic> mpq: the easiest way to check the exiatence of a channel is to type /join #whatever
[12:08] <MistaED> bugger, ubuntu live doesn't have gftp
[12:08] <thoreauputic> *existence
[12:08] <MistaED> i'll try dccing
[12:08] <hondje> unless you use xchat, then hit window and open channel list
[12:08] <mpq> I'm in an idle rpg on another server
[12:08] <mpq> it's #irpg there
[12:08] <MistaED> actually i'll just manually use ftp nm
[12:09] <fabbione> MistaED: i doubt dcc will work
[12:09] <fabbione> but you can try
[12:09] <thoreauputic> MistaED: you can use "connect to server"
[12:09] <thoreauputic> MistaED: nautilus does ftp
[12:09] <fabbione> MistaED: ok thanks for the output.. it looks sane
[12:09] <hondje> gFtp is in universe
[12:10] <thoreauputic> hondje: yeah, he's on the live CD
[12:10] <hondje> oh, neat
[12:10] <geev> hallow there
[12:10] <hondje> I downloaded the ppc one, but keep forgetting to try it
[12:10] <geev> hi to all
[12:11] <Seveas> hi
[12:11] <martii> fabbione: where do I find breezy packages
[12:11] <geev> am intended to move from windows to linux
[12:11] <fabbione> martii: same place as the hoary once
[12:11] <fabbione> ones
[12:11] <martii> ok
[12:11] <Seveas> geev, that is a great idea :)
[12:11] <MistaED> uploading now
[12:11] <hondje> I'll second that
[12:12] <geev> but linux is not my os user friend
[12:12] <Seveas> geev, Ubuntu is known to be friendlier than other linux ditributions
[12:12] <geev> where can i get resource to read how to use linux in general?
[12:13] <Seveas> geev, that's a very broad question... You might want to look on www.tldp.org or buy a linux for dummies book
[12:13] <Tallia1> hi guys.. how i can get the list of installed packages!?
[12:14] <Seveas> Tallia1, dpkg -l
[12:14] <thoreauputic> geev: for Ubuntu, look first at the ubuntulinux.org site, and browse the wiki and forums
[12:14] <Tallia1> tnx a lot
[12:14] <geev> yes @ seveas
[12:14] <Tallia1> s
[12:14] <Seveas> or dpkg --get-selections | grep ii
[12:14] <MistaED> you can really learn linux by using something like gentoo, geev ;)
[12:14] <Seveas> MistaED, don't scare him away :)
[12:14] <hondje> so, was ubuntu aiming for the newbie demographic, or has it just kinda worked out that way?
[12:14] <sjoerd> MistaED: that's crap :)
[12:14] <thoreauputic> MistaED: traitor *grin*
[12:15] <mpq> hondje: there's a difference between user-friendly and newbie
[12:15] <Seveas> hondje, one of the goals of ubuntu was and is being beginner friendly
[12:15] <mpq> oh
[12:15] <MistaED> hehe, ubuntu still rocks in my books :)
[12:15] <mpq> never mind
[12:15] <hondje> mpq: of course, but it's definately recommended for newbies :)
[12:15] <mpq> I should have known
[12:16] <hondje> Seveas: Good to know, thanks :)
[12:16] <mpq> what with the fact that I used it before anything else
[12:16] <hondje> hehe
[12:16] <MistaED> hmm, taking awhile to upload this image, 4mb...
[12:16] <Choubaka> Ubuntu rocks for any user who wants a desktop.
[12:16] <hondje> Yeah, it's solid
[12:16] <mpq> I want a desktop
[12:16] <Choubaka> Even though it may be more newbie-ish in the beginning.
[12:16] <hondje> I wouldn't go back to sid again
[12:16] <mpq> it would be for games though
[12:16] <MistaED> well i've moved to kubuntu as i prefer kde
[12:17] <egg|nosense> I want a free beer.
[12:17] <mpq> I don't like kde
[12:17] <MistaED> still a little buggy in some things, but i enjoy it better than gnome
[12:17] <fabbione> MistaED: ok take your time to upload. i need to get some lunch :)
[12:17] <Choubaka> What's this about "learning linux" with gentoo btw?
[12:17] <mpq> I tried to use it once and got confused
[12:17] <MistaED> ok, thanks for helping out fabbione
[12:17] <hondje> i like the newbie aspect, usually implies less initial config work on my part
[12:17] <egg|nosense> s/beer/coffee/
[12:17] <fabbione> MistaED: no problem, but i am almost 200% sure that it is not a kernel problem
[12:17] <fabbione> MistaED: that error is cause by a missing file in the initrd that is generated by the initrd-tools
[12:18] <fabbione> MistaED: truth is that the kernel run that command at postinstall time to create the initrd
[12:18] <fabbione> still full suckage
[12:18] <MistaED> ah
[12:18] <kestas> can someone show me a screenshot of kubuntu?
[12:18] <fabbione> that's why i need to check the contents of the initrd
[12:19] <Choubaka> If you want to learn Unix/linux, reat rute.sf.net :D
[12:19] <fabbione> ok food now
[12:19] <Choubaka> read*
[12:19] <Seveas> kestas, www.kubuntu.org has a few
[12:21] <shanon> Is there any docs on the differences / benefits of Ubuntu over Gentoo?
[12:21] <hondje> logs of flamewars count? :)
[12:22] <hyphenated> shanon: try them both and see which one you like better
[12:22] <Choubaka> shanon: a crapload of differences at least
[12:22] <Choubaka> in gentoo, you compile.
[12:22] <Seveas> shanon, such a document would be LONG
[12:22] <Choubaka> in Ubuntu, you don't
[12:22] <shanon> I have been a long time gentoo user. But I am doing a re-install and have head lots of good things about ubuntu
[12:22] <Choubaka> if you like compiling, then go for gentoo.
[12:22] <Seveas> in gentoo you wait for gcc to spit out stuff, in ubuntu you use linux.
[12:22] <shanon> Ah I see
[12:22] <Choubaka> If you don't, steer clear. :D
[12:23] <hondje> shanon: Ubuntu is a desktop distro, a real one...you install it, spend a little time getting it just right, then it runs on autopilot
[12:23] <hondje> gentoo makes you take a more active role in using it
[12:24] <shanon> I read that it is based on debian. I used debian a few years ago but the package management (mainly dealing with dependencies) was not very good
[12:24] <MistaED> well ubuntu/kubuntu is the first distro which has made me not use XP for more than a week
[12:24] <hondje> what, you didn't like apt? :o
[12:24] <Seveas> shanon, well, pm in ubuntu is perfect
[12:24] <MistaED> so it's an awesome free desktop
[12:24] <Choubaka> shanon: wtf. :D
[12:24] <shanon> hondje: apt get blah -> deal with lots of dependency probs
[12:24] <Choubaka> Debian's package management beats the crap out of everything else.
[12:24] <thoreauputic> shanon: you must have used debian a *long* time ago
[12:24] <hondje> shanon: When was this?
[12:25] <Seveas> shanon, only if you f* up your sources.list
[12:25] <shanon> hondje: Years ago
[12:25] <hyphenated> how many? 2? 10?
[12:25] <shanon> Seveas: It may be that it is much beter now
[12:25] <MistaED> and the apt-get frontend gui synaptic is a dream to use
[12:25] <Seveas> shanon, it is
[12:25] <shanon> I can't remeber 5 years or so
[12:25] <Seveas> you really should try aptitude & debfoster
[12:25] <Choubaka> That would have been Potato? :P
[12:25] <hyphenated> shanon: as with any package management, if you tell it to do stupid things, it will do them
[12:26] <Choubaka> Potato didn't have APT, did it?
[12:26] <MistaED> are they superior to synaptic?
[12:26] <shanon> 8)
[12:26] <hyphenated> so generally, you don't tell it to do stupid things. then it works fine.
[12:26] <Seveas> hyphenated, that holds for other things too :)
[12:26] <shanon> I am not knocking you PM
[12:26] <MistaED> kynaptic was just like "no, this is dumb"
[12:26] <Choubaka> MistaED: synaptic is GUI. aptitude is CUI
[12:26] <hondje> If you can handle emerge, apt-get is a piece of cake :)
[12:26] <shanon> just making an obsevation based on a very old experience
[12:26] <MistaED> ah
[12:26] <Choubaka> except you don't get to compile.
[12:26] <Seveas> MistaED, defoster is a dream for removing dependencies that are left over after uninstalling something
[12:26] <shanon> sounds like it is all good now
[12:27] <thoreauputic> Choubaka: you can if you want to of course
[12:27] <MistaED> fair enough
[12:27] <hyphenated> shanon: well, that many years ago, linux would have sucked to use anyway for a few hundred reasons.
[12:27] <Choubaka> thoreauputic: of course
[12:27] <Choubaka> Debian was one of the first linux distros wasn't it? :)
[12:27] <Seveas> Choubaka, yes
[12:27] <hyphenated> Choubaka: one of them, yes
[12:27] <Choubaka> Along with slackware I think.
[12:27] <Seveas> it's > 10 years old
[12:27] <MistaED> go slackware! :) *shot*
[12:27] <shanon> hyphenated: It was a lot of work. But I am a sys admin so I like playing with Unix
[12:27] <Seveas> and the linux kernel about 11
[12:27] <dooglus> ok...  emacs21 usually comes with a file called "tramp.el" or "tramp.elc".  I can't find it in ubuntu.  Any idea why?
[12:27] <hyphenated> I think slackware was one of the very first, with a name like SRS at the time
[12:28] <MistaED> 1992/1993 is when debian and slackware came about after i think SElinux or something
[12:28] <hondje> Yggradsil, or whatever it was called
[12:28] <thoreauputic> and Yggsdrasil (not sure of the spelling)
[12:28] <mjr> MistaED, SLS
[12:28] <shanon> So when you say it is a good desktop distro I can easily apt-get the newest enlightenment and it will install with xinerama etc...
[12:28] <Seveas> Yggdrasil
[12:28] <thoreauputic> hondje: something like that :)
[12:28] <MistaED> ah, sorry
[12:28] <shovel> slackware is the oldest surviving
[12:28] <shovel> dictribution
[12:28] <Seveas> shanon, enlightenment is not available from the repos yet
[12:29] <hondje> shanon: not quite that magical :)
[12:29] <Seveas> but xinerama is
[12:29] <mjr> ahh, I remember installing slackware from floppies... That was a pain ;)
[12:29] <dooglus> oh i get it - tramp is a separate package in ubuntu.  alright.
[12:29] <hondje> e17 you have to get from outside
[12:29] <shovel> mjr lol yeah ;)
[12:29] <shanon> hondje: sorry I should clarify the newest e16 build
[12:29] <shanon> e17 is not stable yet
[12:29] <Gog> not a lot of point getting e17 yet :)
[12:29] <hondje> oh, right-o
[12:29] <MistaED> slackware 10.1 is still good, just harder to install packages as there's no dependency management, unless you use like slapt-get or something
[12:30] <hondje> I installed it from cvs just to give me a fix while I wait for it :)
[12:30] <shovel> I still use slack on my mp3 server
[12:30] <thoreauputic> shanon: enlightenment is in the repos, but which version I don't know offhand
[12:30] <Gog> hondje: what did you think?
[12:30] <shanon> no problem
[12:30] <Seveas> e16 is available
[12:30] <shovel> it is less convieniant on desktop (that you don't want to work on too much) but do want up to date
[12:30] <Seveas> so easy to install with apt-get
[12:30] <MistaED> yeah my server is running slackware, damn reliable, but later i might put ubuntu or debian on it
[12:30] <hondje> Raster is the desktop prophet, Gog :)
[12:30] <Gog> heh
[12:30] <Gog> they've gone and redeisgned the site *again*
[12:30] <shanon> does Ubuntu break itself down similar to debian (as in stable, test, dev)?
[12:31] <Seveas> shanon, no
[12:31] <Choubaka> no.
[12:31] <Seveas> there is stable & dev
[12:31] <Choubaka> I run FreeBSD on my server. I like it :)
[12:31] <Seveas> dev is now EXTREMELY unstable
[12:31] <Gog> Choubaka: give ti time ;)
[12:31] <Gog> s/ti/it/
[12:31] <hondje> hehe
[12:31] <egg|nosense> Was FreeBSD dead?
[12:31] <thoreauputic> shanon: a new "stable" every 6 months
[12:31] <Gog> freebsd seems to be going downhill
[12:32] <hondje> egg|nosense: Not yet, though netcraft confirms it's dying
[12:32] <Gog> I'm a linux convert after years of fbsd
[12:32] <Choubaka> hehe.
[12:32] <thoreauputic> Gog: yes, netcraft confirms....
[12:32] <egg|nosense> hehe x N
[12:32] <Choubaka> Well, I'm just trying out different stuff.
[12:32] <Gog> :)
[12:32] <Gog> no harm in that
[12:32] <shanon> thoreauputic: Can you update to the next stable via apt-get (or similar) or do you need to install off CD?
[12:33] <Seveas> shanon, upgrading is one line of shell commands :)
[12:33] <shanon> s/install/upgrade
[12:33] <thoreauputic> shanon: you just change sources and do a dist-upgrade
[12:33] <Choubaka> BSD is more like a true UNIX I hear. So I thought it'd be good to have some experience with it.
[12:33] <shanon> excllent
[12:33] <shovel> Choubaka: Thats the fun of linux :)
[12:33] <Seveas> shanon: One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[12:33] <hondje> apt-get does all your work, though you can make it harder on yourself by using backports and the like
[12:33] <Seveas> which sane person needs backportd with a -month release cycle?
[12:33] <holycow> *hmmm*
[12:34] <hondje> :)
[12:34] <holycow> you know muine media player is pretty darned cool too
[12:34] <shanon> Are the packages static until the next distro upgrade or are the packages released often?
[12:34] <Seveas> static
[12:34] <shanon> Is there a command simialr to emerge world ?
[12:34] <shovel> pretty static
[12:34] <shovel> just security
[12:34] <Seveas> but there's 18 months security support
[12:35] <shanon> Ah ok I think I see how it is working
[12:35] <Gog> Seveas: there are regular package updates though no?
[12:35] <Gog> (unless I've got the wrong end of the stick)
[12:35] <Seveas> Gog, not for the stable distros
[12:35] <Gog> ah ok
[12:35] <shovel> emerge world is just an upgrade
[12:35] <Seveas> only security updates
[12:35] <shovel> yes?
[12:35] <thoreauputic> Gog: only security and major bugs
[12:35] <shovel> like apt-get udpate upgrade
[12:35] <Gog> Seveas: security updates, what I meant :) (sorry)
[12:35] <holycow> wow fspot is amazing
[12:35] <Seveas> shovel, gentoo is too different to compare emerge world with apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:35] <hondje> holycow: Isn't it? :)
[12:35] <ibo> guys.. how do i install windows if i already have linux? i have allocated a fat32 partition. im planning to install winxp pro
[12:36] <hondje> made it worth downloading mono :)
[12:36] <Choubaka> There's ubuntu-updates :)
[12:36] <Choubaka> hondje: what's fspot?
[12:36] <shovel> Seveas: thats why I was asking what emerage world was :) I have never bothered with Gentoo
[12:36] <shanon> ibo: make sure the partition is the first on the disk then install.
[12:36] <hyphenated> ibo: very carefully. windows likes to imagine that it's the boss of your computer
[12:36] <hondje> Choubaka: to manage photos
[12:36] <Seveas> ibo, just install it. it'll fuck up your mbr, but you can restore it from a livecd
[12:36] <holycow> hondje, well i gotta say, i'm starting to think miguels may have been right with mono
[12:36] <Choubaka> hondje: ahaa.
[12:36] <Seveas> emerge world = upgrade all packages
[12:36] <Seveas> but since there is no stable/unstable gentoo this fucks up a lot sometimes
[12:36] <shovel> lol
[12:36] <Choubaka> Seveas: rather, "WAIT" and upgrade all packages.
[12:37] <shanon> Seveas: Agreed it can
[12:37] <shovel> so did working off sid :)
[12:37] <shovel> from time to time
[12:37] <Seveas> Choubaka, ubuntu-updates is for ubuntu-calendar and serious non-security bugfixes
[12:37] <shanon> Thanks for the whirlwind tour everyone. I have a good idea of the ubuntu model now
[12:37] <ibo> shannon... the fat32 is on hda2... so I have a problem?
[12:37] <Seveas> yw shanon feel free to ask more :)
[12:38] <holycow> hondje, and appearently ihave images on my hd i had no clue i had
[12:38] <holycow> wow
[12:38] <hondje> holycow: hehe, cool :-)
[12:38] <shanon> ibo: WIndows won't like being on HD2 but you can change it to be the first HDD in bios
[12:38] <hondje> I loved the time scrollbar thing on top
[12:38] <Seveas> shanon, XP doesn't mind about that
[12:38] <fabbione> re
[12:38] <hyphenated> shanon: hda2.. second partition of the primary drive
[12:38] <Seveas> and you can change it in grub instead of bios :)
[12:38] <shanon> Seveas: Really? I am shocked!
[12:38] <hyphenated> yeah, let grub remap them
[12:38] <fabbione> MistaED: back..
[12:38] <shanon> hyphenated: oops sorry missed the a
[12:39] <Seveas> although, can grub also remap partitions??
[12:39] <Seveas> i thought it could just remap disks..
[12:39] <MistaED> wb, i think it has been uploaded, nautilus is just locked at 100% for the past few minutes
[12:39] <MistaED> the link is in the query
[12:39] <fabbione> MistaED: yup.. downloading now
[12:39] <ibo> saves.. so you are saying it doesnt matter if its on hda1 or hdaN.. i just install winxp and then just fix the bootloader with my livecd? :)
[12:39] <hyphenated> Seveas: *shrug* I've heard of people doing all sorts of tricks with grub
[12:40] <shovel> ibo yes
[12:40] <hyphenated> Seveas: I don't use windows though, so I don't know how well they work
[12:40] <shanon> Although I have not tried it on XP 200O would not install on the second partion unless you did some magic to hide the first one while booting into windows
[12:40] <fabbione> MistaED: thanks :)
[12:40] <Seveas> hyphenated, likewise :)
[12:40] <MistaED> np, thank you
[12:40] <Seveas> shanon, i have tried it with XP one time, it worked
[12:41] <shanon> Seveas: Hmmm... I am surprised they got that to work. That is good
[12:41] <ubuntu> oooooooooooooooo
[12:41] <MistaED> i'll need to sort out my winXP, some crappy virus i think has pretty much stuffed up my connection to the lan somehow
[12:41] <ibo> now.. if its ok to proceed.. i would really be interested how to do the actual bootloader "repair" after the winxp installation. do u guys have any links handy for instructions?
[12:41] <ubuntu> hai i'm from indonesia
[12:41] <MistaED> i'm so used to kubuntu/ubuntu now :) no viruses, it's a dream
[12:41] <shanon> ibo: Just reinstall grub
[12:41] <Choubaka> you probably need a rescue floppy for that. :)
[12:41] <Seveas> MistaED, there is an easy way to sort that: wipe windows :)
[12:42] <hondje> MistaED: which are you using more, KDE or Gnom?
[12:42] <shanon> ibo: not the package
[12:42] <MistaED> yeah flatten & reinstall
[12:42] <MistaED> same old
[12:42] <MistaED> KDE now
[12:42] <MistaED> as konqueror is so much better than nautilus
[12:42] <ibo> shanon : ok.. thru the livecd right? no need for bootdisks
[12:42] <Seveas> ibo, boot from a livecd, open a root terminal, chroot into your ubuntu system and type grub-install '(hd0)'
[12:42] <MistaED> and it generally looks better
[12:42] <shanon> ibo: type grub to get the shell. Then it is an option like setup or something
[12:42] <shovel> Was KDE user since 2001, just went Gnome :)
[12:43] <ibo> ok i got it/. thanks a lot saveas and shanon.
[12:43] <shanon> ibo: I haven't used the ubuntu live CD but you can do it from any linux live cd that has grub
[12:43] <Seveas> ibo, and if you have /boot on a different partition, you need to mount it too
[12:43] <Seveas> BEFORE running grub-install
[12:43] <Choubaka> shovel: I have been a Gnome user for ages. Now I switched to XFCE4 :D
[12:43] <shanon> Seveas: true
[12:43] <hondje> I never liked gnome until this ubuntu install
[12:43] <MistaED> the ROX file manager with XFCE4 is fairly limited though
[12:44] <MistaED> unless you link like nautilus or konqueror from it
[12:44] <shanon> Seveas: Ah thats right I forgot you can use grub-install now. I am used to doing it through the shell like you used to
[12:44] <shovel> Choubaka   I have tried it and a few others, but I like Gnome/KDE, just leaning to Gnome now for a change
[12:44] <Seveas> the grub shell is good too :
[12:44] <Seveas> :)
[12:45] <hondje> oh, fast user switching for gnome....I must install that
[12:45] <MistaED> gnome has taken a battering from me, all the games i've run at various resolutions have knocked around the toolbar icons all over the place
[12:45] <MistaED> with kde there seems to be no problems
[12:45] <shanon> Well I think you guys conviced me to try Ubuntu.
[12:45] <shanon> Plus a couple other people I trust the opinions of
[12:46] <Seveas> hondje, does that exist?!
[12:46] <hondje> Seveas: Just saw it :D http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34471
[12:46] <shovel> shanon it is definately worth a try (I have used Slackware/Debian/Libranet/Redhat/Mandrake ubuntu seems to hold its own) :)
[12:46] <Seveas> omg!
[12:46] <thoreauputic> gdmflexiserver?
[12:46] <littleworm> burning app for gnome?
[12:46] <hondje> No, to switch between users w/out logging out to gdm
[12:46] <thoreauputic> littleworm: gnomebaker
[12:46] <MistaED> yeah ubuntu/kubuntu has been my favourite desktop now, much better than the ones i've tried in the past
[12:46] <Shufla> littleworm: www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:46] <littleworm> thx
[12:47] <IIIEars> Is there an mp3 to wav tool?
[12:47] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: lame will do that
[12:47] <shanon> shovel: Yeah I have tried most of those I didn't like them. Gentoo is good but the emerge can break things overtime and it takes SOOOOO long o install
[12:47] <hondje> hrm, dependancy problems, figures
[12:47] <Seveas> IIIEars, you can use the xmms diskwriter plugin too
[12:48] <IIIEars> xmms diskwriter. - Great!
[12:48] <Shufla> IIIEars: for console mpg123
[12:48] <Shufla> or mpg321
[12:48] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: or Audacity
[12:48] <ibo> btw... hd0 is mbr? :)
[12:48] <MistaED> would ubuntu be the only distro which is both easy to use and not use rpm's? lol
[12:48] <hondje> mepis
[12:49] <MistaED> what does mepis use?
[12:49] <hondje> I think xandros uses dpkg, too
[12:49] <Seveas> MistaED, rpm is NOT easy to use
[12:49] <IIIEars> console is fine.  (did i really say that? - windows is a fading memory)
[12:49] <hondje> dpkg, like debian and ubuntu
[12:49] <Seveas> rpm is sucky
[12:49] <shovel> Shanon I hated redhat/manrape to be honest they didn't last long, Libranet was good but commercial and they charge 80% of full price for upgrades, I generally got it free as a beta tester, but it was just starting to irritate me ;)
[12:49] <MistaED> indeed, i hate rpm's
[12:49] <shovel> MistaED no libranet too, but you pay for it :(
[12:49] <Shufla> what's wrong with rpms?
[12:49] <hondje> The latest suse kicks ass on a lappy though
[12:49] <MistaED> i'm just comparing to like mandrake, fedora, suse, etc.
[12:50] <thoreauputic> Shufla: it isn't the rpms, it's the package management tools
[12:50] <Shufla> imho suse is great. i've switched from suse to ubuntu at work, only beacause i wanted support ubuntu
[12:50] <Seveas> and the developers that tag there rpms stupidly
[12:50] <Seveas> their*
[12:50] <Shufla> thoreauputic: huh. but synaptic supports rpms. so what is wrong with them? :D
[12:51] <Seveas> Shufla, debs are sooo much better when it comes to upgrading
[12:51] <thoreauputic> Shufla: as  I said, nothing wrong with RPMs as such
[12:51] <MistaED> deb > rpm
[12:51] <MistaED> by a great degree
[12:51] <Seveas> deb >> rpm > tgz
[12:51] <hondje> rpm is more fragile, it seems
[12:51] <shovel> lol I liked tgz > rpm :)
[12:51] <Seveas> rpm's are easier to make, but easier to break too
[12:52] <Shufla> ubuntu got its own flaws - no oobox java support, debianized (which is for plus too) philosophy (only oss, etc)
[12:52] <Seveas> debs are a bit harder to create, but once you have good debs...
[12:52] <shovel> or generally on slackware compiling myself, rather than using rpms
[12:52] <hondje> plus rpm distros are well established among desktop users, so there are a ton of crappy 3rd party rpms to break tings
[12:52] <Seveas> oob java is impossible Shufla
[12:52] <MistaED> suse was good and all, but i found it to be extremely bloated and it wouldn't let me upgrade gaim from an ancient version
[12:52] <Seveas> licensing crap
[12:52] <MistaED> this was 9.1 amd64
[12:52] <Juhaz> nothing wrong with rpm, people just blame it because they break their system by installing broken third party ones or something for different distro
[12:52] <Shufla> Seveas: nope :D i was thinkinh about installer for ubuntu with embedded ffox window to grab sun's java :D
[12:53] <fabbione> MistaED: we are checking the initrd...
[12:53] <Seveas> Juhaz, even 'official' redhat rpm's break...
[12:53] <MistaED> cool
[12:53] <fabbione> MistaED: would it be possible to you to downgrade one of the kernels, if i tell you how?
[12:53] <MistaED> sure
[12:53] <Choubaka> Shufla: There's java-package
[12:53] <Seveas> java-package is nice
[12:53] <hondje> evil :(
[12:53] <fabbione> MistaED: cool.. usual chroot dance.. remeber to mount /proc
[12:53] <Shufla> Choubaka: i know, i'm using it, but it's not "ubuntuized"
[12:53] <Juhaz> Seveas, raraly, and so do debs, on occasion
[12:53] <MistaED> yep
[12:53] <Shufla> Choubaka: it could be "clickable"
[12:54] <Seveas> Juhaz, rarely? well not too rarely in my experience
[12:54] <Shufla> and i think that canonical could make some argement with sun.
[12:54] <fabbione> MistaED: grab the old image from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/
[12:54] <Seveas> unfortunately i have to work with rad hat
[12:54] <fabbione> MistaED: and just dpkg -i the image
[12:54] <hondje> Why can't there be a pkg like ms ttf fonts package, and download / install everything?
[12:54] <Choubaka> I never managed to install rpms correctly.
[12:54] <Choubaka> :P
[12:54] <MistaED> yep
[12:54] <fabbione> MistaED: boot with it
[12:54] <Seveas> hondje, msttcorefonts does not have these licensing restrictions
[12:54] <Juhaz> Seveas, well, discounting messing with --force and the like, I haven't seen broken RH packages for ages, any examples?
[12:54] <fabbione> MistaED: that should work.. if it doesn't with a similar error.. than we need to dig way outside the kernel
[12:54] <Choubaka> Though I tried red hat when it didn't have yum
[12:55] <Seveas> Juhaz, glibc 2.3.2-27.9.7
[12:55] <Choubaka> I guess things are better now.
[12:55] <hondje> Seveas: That must be a bastard of a license :(
[12:55] <Choubaka> But where are the official yum repositories?
[12:55] <shovel> Juhaz to be honest I haven't used redhat in 3 years, i got too angry to go back
[12:55] <Seveas> sun license prohibits creating .debs
[12:55] <shovel> ;)
[12:55] <Shufla> i was using redhat 9 as xterminal server for our three developers on duron 600 :> it was running fine :D
[12:55] <MistaED>  linux-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic_2.6.10-34_amd64.deb ?
[12:56] <fabbione> MistaED: yes or the -k8
[12:57] <fabbione> MistaED: but apparently we already found the problem.. in any case your test will confirm it
[12:57] <MistaED> ok
[12:57] <Juhaz> Seveas, I'd say three year old ones go to the "in ages" category
[12:57] <jr_G-man> why were you angry at redhat?
[12:57] <Seveas> Juhaz, glibc 2.3.2 isn't that old
[12:57] <Mithrandir> MistaED: around?
[12:57] <Fish-Face> After a while of running, "mozilla-firefox -remote <anything>" returns "Error: no running window" and exits status 2. When it first starts, -remote commands work normally
[12:58] <fabbione> MistaED: Mithrandir is checking your initrd
[12:58] <hondje> Seveas: oh, you know lots of ubuntu stuff....why don't they mount /dev/shm noexec?
[12:58] <Seveas> hondje, ENOCLUE
[12:58] <Seveas> (ie: i have no idea)
[12:58] <Mithrandir> MistaED: there's something funky with your initrd; I'll make a new one and would like for you to try that out.  It'll take me a few minutes to prepare it.
[12:58] <hondje> :)
[12:58] <shovel> lots of bad rpms, broken dependancies etc. wouldn't install on my gf computer, just froze up during install, slackware ws fine though
[12:59] <eskaypey> mm yeah on 233Mhz ubuntu doesnt seem to run to well
[12:59] <shovel> thats when I switched to slack, but then got sick of building from source and switched to debian
[12:59] <hondje> apt is addictive
[12:59] <wdh> eskaypey, it does, just switch to XFCE or fvwm
[12:59] <wdh> stop using gnome :)
[12:59] <Seveas> eskaypey, ubuntu will run fine, gnome will have a problem :)
[12:59] <MistaED> ok, cool
[01:00] <Seveas> twm!
[01:00] <Shufla> eskaypey: or use gnome config tool to "strip" gnome
[01:00] <MistaED> well i have -34 all set up so i'll just reboot and try it
[01:00] <Juhaz> Seveas, Subject: glibc 2.3.2 released date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003
[01:00] <Juhaz> Seveas, ok, so it's just 2.5 years
[01:00] <wdh> shovel, you might like Archlinux, its very 'KISS'.. as i was told Slack is too
[01:00] <Seveas> Juhaz, little over 2 years
[01:00] <Seveas> and the 27-9-7 package even younger
[01:00] <eskaypey> wdh: thats an option
[01:00] <shovel> slack isn't really simple in comparison to debian
[01:01] <Juhaz> month here or there, nevertheless ancient in software world
[01:01] <Seveas> Juhaz, not really
[01:01] <cantenna> go the maroons
[01:01] <eskaypey> going to get xfce going
[01:01] <eskaypey> or i even get flux
[01:02] <eskaypey> but nah it is a bit slow, boot takes about 3-4 min
[01:02] <shovel> wdh: I am happy with a debian based distro :)
[01:02] <wdh> shovel, me too :) i actually left arch for ubuntu :)
[01:02] <holycow> hey offtopic abu twadya think, cg or real --> http://www.highend3d.com/artists/artist.3d?au=beardsell&iid=547
[01:02] <Shufla> eskaypey: turn off mdadm and other boot stuff that u do not need.
[01:03] <hondje> holycow: cg?
[01:03] <shovel> wdh: your right though reading on arch website it does sound like slack
[01:03] <hondje> yeah, has to be with that URL :)
[01:03] <holycow> hodje correct! *ding* petty good huh?
[01:03] <Shufla> holycow: nice. i want her :D
[01:03] <wdh> shovel, only no source builds :)
[01:04] <hondje> I want computer to render her
[01:04] <holycow> hehe :)
[01:04] <shovel> ;)
[01:04] <Shufla> hands are unnatural :(
[01:04] <holycow> Shufla, yeah too small i think
[01:05] <eskaypey> Shufla: is that in /etc/rc?
[01:05] <wdh> holycow, that is pretty good.. you sure it wasnt started from another pic and blurred to make it look 'real' instead of real :)
[01:05] <Shufla> eskaypey: /etc/init.d/... , use dpkg -S /etc/init.d/... and than you _may_ dpkg --purge some packages.
[01:05] <wdh> holycow, ?
[01:06] <holycow> wdh, that guy is pretty good, go to his home page
[01:06] <Juhaz> pretty bad for something that took whole month to render
[01:06] <hondje> practice makes perfect
[01:06] <holycow> about 3 or 4 years ago he did an amazing animation ... its on his site anyway
[01:06] <hondje> of course, given a month I could have found two hot chicks for half the cost...
[01:07] <holycow> i love muine
[01:07] <holycow> so simple
[01:07] <Shufla> that girl is perfect for GPL-geek. you can have it and share it to everyone...:>
[01:07] <holycow> easy now
[01:07] <holycow> hehe
[01:08] <hondje> Free as in....yep.
[01:08] <holycow> back to woik
[01:08] <Shufla> my suggestion - targetalert plugin for ffox :D
[01:08] <holycow> lata
[01:09] <eskaypey> Shufla: k what goes where dots are?
[01:09] <MistaED> that kernel gave the same problem
[01:09] <littleworm> how do i download flash decoders?
[01:10] <Shufla> eskaypey: iq globbing :) look in those folders, substitute files, etc...
[01:10] <fabbione> MistaED: welcome back
[01:10] <MistaED> thanks
[01:10] <fabbione> MistaED: ok... perfect in terms that we know that the kernel is NOT at fault
[01:10] <littleworm> how do i download flash decoders?
[01:10] <fabbione> MistaED: next level of test :)
[01:11] <fabbione> MistaED: please chroot again.. bla bla
[01:11] <Seveas> littleworm, see wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:11] <Shufla> hehe. he's movies are great :D
[01:11] <fabbione> MistaED: grab this initrd: http://err.no/tmp/initrd-test.img
[01:11] <MistaED> ok
[01:11] <fabbione> MistaED: and copy it over the one you have sent to me
[01:11] <fabbione> MistaED: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-amd64-k8
[01:12] <fabbione> MistaED: without touching anything else, you need to boot into that kernel
[01:12] <fabbione> MistaED: if this one works, than we know what is wrong
[01:12] <fabbione> and mostlikely it is a similar problem for the i386 guy
[01:13] <MistaED> so what probably caused the bad initrd?
[01:13] <fabbione> a missing library path to /lib64
[01:13] <fabbione> so basically the system doesn't know where to find the proper libraries to make the initrd working properly
[01:13] <fabbione> what is really scary is that nobody noticed before
[01:14] <MistaED> ah
[01:14] <MistaED> alright i'll go try it, brb
[01:16] <IIIEars> I appreciate the audio tips. - Thank You.
[01:17] <toonX> question: why after i changend my root passwd ,sudo keeps working with the old one?
[01:17] <shanon> Actually they are going to have both the red screeen and the blue screen
[01:17] <toonX> in fact if i try to run sudo with the new root passwd it wont work, instead it works with the old one
[01:18] <morris> toonX, was ur old root pass the same as your current user pass?
[01:18] <hondje> toonX: the real point of sudo is so that poeple can do root jobs w/out root passwd
[01:19] <shanon> toonX: you should use your password for sudo
[01:19] <MistaED> :D!!!
[01:19] <shanon> toonX: as in the user you are logged in as
[01:19] <MistaED> great stuff guys
[01:19] <toonX> morris, in fact yes, i was working offline :)
[01:19] <MistaED> works perfectly
[01:19] <Mithrandir> MistaED: it worked?
[01:19] <MistaED> yep
[01:19] <Mithrandir> MistaED: yay, great.
[01:19] <Mithrandir> MistaED: then we just need to track down how it happened.
[01:20] <Fish-Face> After a while of running, "mozilla-firefox -remote <anything>" returns "Error: no running window" and exits status 2. When it first starts, -remote commands work normally
[01:20] <morris> toonX, reason why that works is.. thats the login for your user account ;p as hondje and shanon pointed out ;p
[01:20] <MistaED> yeah, like how some people got the problem and some didn't
[01:20] <Mithrandir> MistaED: I really don't understand how people have gotten those problems on i386, though.
[01:20] <toonX> hondje, yep you'r right , i got it all wrong in the first place
[01:21] <toonX> morris, yep ,i see silly me :) that was the point
[01:21] <morris> hehe
[01:21] <fabbione> MistaED: good :)
[01:23] <hondje> toonX: gotta learn sometime! :)
[01:24] <toonX> hondje, agree on that!
[01:24] <jc-denton> hi i'm currently using debian and i want to install the openoffice2 packages from ubuntu
[01:25] <Fish-Face> Grr @ slashdot
[01:25] <jc-denton> how can i download just these packages
[01:25] <jc-denton> ?
[01:25] <bob2> jc-denton: dude, no
[01:25] <Seveas> jc-denton, you might succeed with apt pinning, but i expect problems...
[01:26] <jc-denton> Seveas: hum
[01:26] <jc-denton> i just tought about dpkg -i
[01:26] <wdh> jc-denton, you could surely do that.. but be aware of dependencies
[01:27] <wdh> jc-denton, i believe the packages can be downloaded at packages.ubuntu.com
[01:27] <jc-denton> yes but there is no download link on packages.ubuntu.org
[01:27] <jc-denton> thats my problem
[01:27] <Seveas> jc-denton, archive.ubuntu.com/pool/
[01:27] <Shufla> jc-denton: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
[01:28] <Seveas> jc-denton, dpkg -i will complain about ubuntu-specific dependencies...
[01:28] <martii> fabbione: one more question
[01:28] <zoner_> I downloaded  a openoffice 2 beta from my local sunsite mirror
[01:28] <zoner_> works fine
[01:28] <martii> fabbione: do we have boxbackup in ubuntu
[01:28] <bob2> I already explained to jc-denton how to get it in a more approriate channel
[01:28] <martii> fabbione: apt-cache search gives no results
[01:29] <jc-denton> Seveas: on sid?
[01:29] <Seveas> jc-denton, yes even on sid
[01:29] <fabbione> martii: dunno.. apt-cache search backup
[01:29] <fabbione> probably not
[01:29] <Seveas> no boxbackup
[01:29] <jc-denton> well what options do i have then?
[01:30] <bob2> jc-denton: dude, I explained what to do
[01:30] <wdh> jc-denton, switch to ubuntu :)
[01:30] <jc-denton> wdh: i will probably
[01:30] <Shufla> jc-denton: or ask on #debian*
[01:30] <bob2> jc-denton: if you choose to ignore that, fine, but this is off-topic for #ubuntu
[01:30] <bob2> Shufla: he did, I explained how, then he came here
[01:30] <jc-denton> but as long as firefox depends on gnome i dont :P
[01:30] <Shufla> jc-denton: it will.
[01:31] <shanon> I can feel a kick coming
[01:31] <shanon> 8)
[01:31] <jc-denton> lol
[01:31] <martii> Seveas: hmm I think there is package for debian
[01:32] <Shufla> jc-denton: i think that's beacause ubuntu is gnome based/integrated. so ffox in ubuntu is gnome-integrated.
[01:32] <Shufla> shanon: why?
[01:32] <shanon> Shufla: What bob2 has been saying
[01:32] <scizho> eh.. anyone use ubuntu for diskless server?
[01:32] <Shufla> diskless server?
[01:32] <jc-denton> yes but i dislike gnome
[01:33] <thoreauputic> shanon: #ubuntu is fairly permissive in general ;)
[01:33] <MistaED> hmm, odd
[01:33] <MistaED> gtk-qt doesn't work
[01:33] <MistaED> ohwell
[01:33] <Shufla> scizho: you mean terminal server?
[01:33] <thoreauputic> shanon: too much so at times...
[01:33] <scizho> yes..
[01:34] <shanon> heh
[01:34] <Shufla> scizho: google for debian howtos for it. it should suit well to ubuntu. i personally didn't setup such server, but my friend done it, and it was ruinning well.
[01:34] <thoreauputic> ruining well? Oh dear *grin*
[01:34] <Shufla> scizho: FYI it is not to easy to start with, you'll have to check many docs.
[01:35] <Shufla> ops :D
[01:35] <fabbione> MistaED: can you be so kind to not play with your system in the next few hours? our initrd guy will soon wake up and might need to dig some stuff to understand the root of the problem
[01:35] <Shufla> running
[01:35] <thoreauputic> hehe
[01:35] <scizho> i already running it
[01:35] <fabbione> MistaED: i added the info to 11135
[01:35] <MistaED> sure
[01:35] <fabbione> MistaED: so that we can actually solve it for it
[01:35] <scizho> but the clients keep crashing all the time
[01:35] <jbailey> fabbione: That'd be me, right? =)
[01:35] <fabbione> this is just a workaround
[01:35] <thoreauputic> Shufla: I knew it was a typo - couldn't resist..
[01:35] <fabbione> jbailey: good morning and yes
[01:35] <Shufla> scizho: what do you mean crash?
[01:36] <scizho> freeze, hang up.. take too long to load etc
[01:36] <MistaED> well i need to go in around 2 hours, so
[01:36] <fabbione> MistaED: jbailey is THE guy :)
[01:36] <Shufla> thoreauputic: i know :> :D
[01:36] <Shufla> scizho: problems with network overload?
[01:36] <MistaED> aha, cool
[01:36] <MistaED> hey jbailty
[01:36] <MistaED> *jbailey
[01:37] <jbailey> MistaED: Heya - I'm just sitting down to the box, gimme a couple minutes. =)
[01:37] <scizho> maybe...
[01:38] <Shufla> scizho: do you have central logging? afair it's good with x-terms. and check switches, network hardware is very loaded in x-terms.
[01:38] <scizho> but i only run with 2 client, and still it happen
[01:39] <Shufla> scizho: check server card. afair nfs use UDP, and if you have broken card there might be many problems.
[01:39] <JaffaCAk1> is there an ultravnc or something similar that will work in ubuntu so I can remote control a windows machine?
[01:39] <mjr> actually, newer nfs versions can use tcp too, and I think that's actually the linux default nowadays
[01:39] <Shufla> JaffaCAk1: add universe/multiverse and apt-cache search vnc
[01:40] <djp> can anybody recommend a mobile phone that is fairly compatible with ubuntu (hoary)?
[01:40] <D_F> JaffaCAk1, What about TightVNC?
[01:40] <JaffaCAk1> ok thanks I'll try both
[01:40] <Seveas> JaffaCAk1, there is by default a windows remote desktop client installed
[01:40] <MistaED> JaffaCAk1: just type vncviewer in a termnial
[01:40] <Seveas> and a vnc viewer too
[01:40] <Seveas> JaffaCAk1, applications -> internet -> terminal server client
[01:40] <JaffaCAk1> oh nice its already with it
[01:41] <JaffaCAk1> ok thanks guys
[01:41] <Seveas> rdp/rdpv5 = windows remote desktop
[01:41] <MistaED> cool, that program looks very spiffy
[01:42] <djp> can anybody recommend a mobile phone that is fairly compatible with ubuntu (hoary)?
[01:42] <scizho> ok..
[01:42] <scizho> i get the idea..
[01:42] <scizho> maybe..
[01:42] <scizho> :P
[01:43] <JaffaCAk1> yeah that works perfect
[01:46] <shanon> Wow the website for ubuntu is really well structured for an OS project
[01:47] <jbailey> fabbione, MistaED: I'm having trouble finding the original message in the log that says what the problem is...
[01:47] <fabbione> jbailey: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=186041
[01:47] <fabbione>  /bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6 cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:47] <fabbione> (that's amd64)
[01:47] <bob2> haha
[01:48] <fabbione> jbailey: bug 11135
[01:48] <jbailey> Ooo forums.
[01:48] <fabbione> jbailey: happy birthday
[01:48] <trig_> hello
[01:48] <jbailey> fabbione: Err.  My birthday is several months from now.
[01:48] <jbailey> fabbione: Need to pick another occasion. =)
[01:48] <fabbione> jbailey: for the bug ;)
[01:48] <littleworm> how do i open lilo?
[01:49] <Seveas> littleworm, that makes no sense :)
[01:49] <jbailey> (with a knife and fork)
[01:49] <jbailey> sorry. =)
[01:49] <Seveas> littleworm, what are you trying to do?
[01:49] <Seveas> lol jbailey :p
[01:49] <littleworm> i want a pic when i pick the os
[01:49] <Seveas> littleworm, have you installed lilo instead of grub?
[01:50] <littleworm> yes
[01:50] <Seveas> ah
[01:50] <Seveas> why? did grub not work for you?
[01:50] <littleworm> i havn't try it yet, i think
[01:50] <littleworm> is the grub the default?
[01:51] <Seveas> grub us the default
[01:51] <Seveas> is*
[01:51] <littleworm> it's working fine
[01:51] <zer> Is somebody using Firefox 1.1 preview here?
[01:51] <Seveas> and for grub it's easy to add a picture when booting :)
[01:51] <littleworm> really?
[01:51] <bob2> zer: better to ask in #firefox on irc.mozilla.org
[01:51] <Seveas> yes
[01:51] <littleworm> i thoungt it's impossible
[01:51] <Seveas> lol
[01:51] <littleworm> how?
[01:52] <Seveas> littleworm, just put the image somewhere in /boot in the correct format and edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:52] <littleworm> ok, thx
[01:52] <Seveas> but the *correct format* bit is tricky
[01:52] <littleworm> why?
[01:53] <trig_> hi im on a 64 bit machine with ubuntu  4.10 amd64 edition and i want to run a win app i just wanted to know if this can be done and if so will i go faster then if it ran on a 32 bi cpu
[01:53] <Seveas> littleworm, it must be in 14-color xpm
[01:53] <littleworm> can i do it in gimp?
[01:53] <Adross> ahoy people
[01:53] <Seveas> of course littleworm :)
[01:53] <wdh> trig_, you should check the wine site whether it supports 64 bit, i dont think it does
[01:53] <Simira> are there any email clients that handles well pgp, threading, and use of several addresses(i.e. replies with the mail address you recieved it on, not the default)?
[01:53] <littleworm> thank you
[01:54] <bob2> Simira: mutt!
[01:54] <Seveas> Simira, Evolution :)
[01:54] <trig_> ok thx
[01:54] <jbailey> MistaED: I need a couple things from you to troubleshoot this.
[01:54] <wdh> Simira, or thunderbird :)
[01:54] <kestas2> threading schmeading
[01:54] <shanon> I love the nick littleworm it is quite amusing in conversation
[01:54] <wdh> Simira, with the enigmail extension
[01:54] <jbailey> MistaED: Are you using cryptroot or anything like that where you don't feel comfortable giving me your initrd?
[01:54] <Simira> neither Thunderbird or Evolution works well for me
[01:54] <littleworm> :)
[01:55] <Simira> Thunderbird has an idiotic handling for several addresses, and evolution can't thread properly
[01:55] <wdh> Simira, then you should be more specific maybe about what you want :)
[01:55] <wdh> ah.. ok
[01:55] <kestas2> you need threading in your email client?
[01:55] <HcE> Simira: hmm, my evolution threads properly
[01:55] <HcE> threading is essential
[01:55] <kestas2> the current linux kernel in ubuntu doesnt support threading
[01:55] <Seveas> jbailey, MistaED already sent his initrd to fabbione (he seems to be afk i guess)
[01:55] <kestas2> because of the security problem
[01:55] <wdh> i would like a client that treads like gmail does though :)
[01:56] <Seveas> kestas2, rofl
[01:56] <shanon> hahaha
[01:56] <Simira> HcE: how do you close all threads in the folders automatically per default?
[01:56] <Seveas> kestas2, please don't confuse things :)
[01:56] <kestas2> I want I cleint that threads like hotmail
[01:56] <HcE> Simira: ah, I don't use that feature =/
[01:56] <wdh> kestas2, :P
[01:56] <HcE> ie: I know it from thunderbird
[01:56] <kestas2> ohhhh threads
[01:56] <jbailey> Seveas: Ah thanks.
[01:56] <kestas2> I thought you meant the other threads
[01:56] <Simira> HcE: you have all your threads expanded? Isn't that unbelievably messy?
[01:57] <Seveas> kestas2, hte linux kernel on ubuntu does support threading
[01:57] <Simira> Outlook Express has everything I want except for a decent pgp support...
[01:57] <Simira> and linux support, og course
[01:57] <Simira> og/of
[01:57] <Seveas> it's the hyperthreading tachnology of the P4 processor that has been disabled
[01:57] <HcE> Simira: not really, I have a folder for all unread mail, and filter when I'm looking for  subject
[01:57] <jbailey> MistaED: Could you please attach it to the bug?  Also, are you able to get on the system with an older kernel?  If yes, I have some commands I'd like you to run.
[01:57] <Simira> HcE: you don't get a lot of email, do you? :p
[01:57] <HcE> Simira: nope, only 100-200 a day
[01:57] <kestas2> ah I see
[01:58] <MistaED> sorry just afk for a sec, watching state of origin
[01:58] <Simira> *sigh*
[01:58] <Simira> get me Outlook Express for Linux!!!
[01:58] <Seveas> Simira, eek!!!
[01:58] <snader> lol
[01:58] <webmind> Seveas, evolution
[01:58] <Simira> webmind: horrible threading
[01:58] <webmind> in evolution ?
[01:58] <Shufla> Simira: evolution?
[01:58] <Simira> *weeps*
[01:58] <MistaED> i can't get on with an older kernel, that one is buggered aswell with the initrd
[01:58] <Simira> yes, in evolution
[01:59] <Seveas> MistaED, thank god there are livecd's :)
[01:59] <Simira> I have 50 folders with endless of threads, I have to be able to collapse most of them automatically....
[01:59] <MistaED> indeed
[01:59] <Simira> I'd use several hours just to manually collapse all the threads
[02:00] <MistaED> and attach it to the bug? like upload the initrd to the bugzilla?
[02:00] <Shufla> Simira: maybe. if you are chaning software connected with some task, you shall change/refactor your behavior?
[02:01] <elric> how do i disable time synchronosing with ubuntu servers at boot time?
[02:01] <jbailey> MistaED: Do you know how to get to where you've chroot'd on to the harddrive from the livecd?
[02:01] <Simira> Shufla: except for the several-address-handling, Thunderbird works to some point for me.
[02:02] <Shufla> elric: sudo  update-rc.d -f ntpdate remove
[02:02] <MistaED> yep
[02:02] <elric> thanks
[02:02] <jbailey> MistaED: Please prefix your lines with "jbailey:" or something, I'm having trouble noticing that you've spoken among the rest of the conversations.
[02:03] <Shufla> Simira: well. you used to use Outlook. but every program have other gui - you might consider changing your habits to use full of another program (argghhh. my english is too poor to explain what i mean)
[02:03] <jbailey> MistaED: Yes, attach it to the bugzilla.  That way it's associated with the bug directly.
[02:03] <MistaED> jbailey: no probs
[02:03] <MistaED> jbailey: ok, i'll go upload it
[02:03] <jbailey> MistaED: Cool, Lemme know when you've got a chroot going I need to see what initrd is actually doing.
[02:04] <Simira> Shufla: I see what you mean. But I am dependent on using different email adresses, especially with my increasing amount of hats.
[02:04] <kestas2> are you a hat salesman or something?
[02:05] <Shufla> Simira: that was general cluse i did not observed your conversation.
[02:05] <Shufla> ooooops! W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/r/readahead/readahead_1.0.1-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
[02:05] <Shufla>   404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] 
[02:05] <Shufla> with fresh hoary sources...
[02:05] <erlendaa> why isn't Ubuntu released with LAMP installed like all other distros?
[02:05] <bob2> Shufla: time to update
[02:05] <Shufla> bob2: right now updated.
[02:06] <bob2> erlendaa: that would be silly.  if you want it, it's one command away.
[02:06] <fsapo> hi all.. anyone knows if there is a way to install the openoffice-base in ubuntu? its not in the reps :(
[02:06] <bob2> Shufla: you ran "sudo apt-get update" in the past ten minutes?
[02:06] <Shufla> bob2: p[ast 10 seconds...
[02:06] <fsapo> openoffice-base is a "access" like app
[02:06] <erlendaa> bob2: I know, and I've done it... no problem, just why...? :)
[02:07] <MistaED> actually, my old initrd is overwritten now with the one which works
[02:07] <bob2> erlendaa: not useful for a desktop, trivial to install on a server, and it would mean leaving potentially exploitable things listening by default
[02:07] <jbailey> MistaED: What did you change to make it work:?
[02:08] <erlendaa> bob2: well, that sounds right I guess
[02:08] <MistaED> jbailey: fabbione & Mithrandir took the image and changed it so it would look to the /lib64
[02:08] <MistaED> *link
[02:08] <MistaED> i think one of them sent it to you
[02:09] <Shufla> bob2: should I wait some time for that package to appear?
[02:09] <bob2> Shufla: the package files shouldn't be out of sync with what's in the archive itself
[02:09] <Shufla> it's dependency for ubuntu-desktop, which i'm installing right now in 32bit chroot
[02:10] <Shufla> bob2: it is...
[02:10] <bob2> ok!
[02:10] <jbailey> Err.. /lib64?
[02:10] <jbailey> Aren't you on amd64?
[02:10] <MistaED> yeah i am on amd64
[02:11] <ray__> hi. It's my first time in irc
[02:11] <ray__> how i search a channel here?
[02:11] <kestas2> ray__: go to freenode's website I guess
[02:11] <Shufla> huh. http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/r/readahead/ is not avaiable...
[02:12] <bob2> it doesn't exist
[02:12] <littleworm> how do i open grub? :O
[02:12] <littleworm> or config it?
[02:12] <Seveas> ray__, in xchat go to the menu window -> channel list
[02:12] <ray__> i want to search mono hispano channel but i have not idea if this server is the correct one
[02:12] <Shufla> indeed. and readahead package is optional for task ubuntu-desktop...
[02:13] <ray__> thank you seveas
[02:13] <Shufla> from main.
[02:13] <bob2> indeed
[02:13] <fsapo> any programers here could help me? :(
[02:13] <bob2> fsapo: you didn't ask a programming-related question
[02:13] <Seveas> fsapo, if you state your problem :)
[02:14] <fsapo> i need a simple thing.. but cant find it!
[02:14] <Shufla> fsapo: ask?
[02:14] <littleworm> how do i open grub? :O
[02:14] <littleworm> how do i open grub? :O
[02:14] <thoreauputic> littleworm: wrong question
[02:14] <fsapo> i need an app to make a "database design" with the tables.. fileds and that bla bla bla
[02:14] <littleworm> config grub?
[02:14] <MistaED> jbailey: hang on i dug up the initrd file, i'll upload it to bugzilla now
[02:15] <bob2> fsapo: dia's great for designing databases
[02:15] <jbailey> MistaED: Thanks.
[02:15] <fsapo> i ve found openoffice-base (access like) but it is not in the ubuntu reps..
[02:15] <bob2> yes, it requires non-free java gunk
[02:15] <Shufla> fsapo: and you may try 'druid' (in java) which i prefer.
[02:15] <fsapo> bob2, dia? isnt just for diagrams? i need the filds.. relations... etc
[02:15] <Fish-Face> Grr @ slashdot
[02:15] <Fish-Face> After a while of running, "mozilla-firefox -remote <anything>" returns "Error: no running window" and exits status 2. When it first starts, -remote commands work normally
[02:15] <fsapo> Shufla, hum... i try searching for it
[02:15] <konrad> Hi, is it possible to set up national diactrs using UTF in 'mc" (and other)?
[02:15] <littleworm> how do i config grub?
[02:15] <bob2> fsapo: it is for diagrams
[02:15] <konrad> I am using PL-UTF-8
[02:15] <Seveas> fsapo, designing means drawing
[02:15] <Shufla> fsapo: and install java as in http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142
[02:16] <Seveas> implementing means needing a database program...
[02:16] <Shufla> fsapo: http://druid.sourceforge.net/
[02:17] <thoreauputic> littleworm: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[02:17] <Seveas> littleworm, sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:17] <Xappe> littleworm: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-30341.html
[02:17] <Shufla> bob2: should i report problem with repo somewhere?
[02:17] <bob2> Shufla: I have
[02:18] <Shufla> bob2: ?
[02:19] <fsapo> Shufla, thanx.. i m downloading ^^
[02:19] <brap> I've got a problem that's driving me crazy
[02:19] <tortoise_> n #xorg
[02:20] <brap> I'm trying to install Hoary on a centrino laptop and the install goes fine but after the first reboot when it sets up the packages it hangs on setting up xserver-xorg, does anyone have any ideas?
[02:20] <Mez> nvidia card?
[02:20] <Mez> and how long have you left it for?
[02:20] <brap> Mez: Intel Extreme
[02:20] <Mez> try hitting ctrl + c
[02:20] <brap> Mez: I've left it for like 20 minutes
[02:21] <Mez> that should hpopefulyl just skip xserver-xorg and let you setit up manually later
[02:21] <jbailey> MistaED: Still there?
[02:21] <brap> Mez: lemme try thatr
[02:21] <brap> Mez: ctrl c doesnt do anything still just sitting there
[02:21] <Mez> weird.... *shrugs*
[02:22] <Mez> this the first ry?
[02:22] <Mez> try ?
[02:22] <MistaED> jbailey: yeah, i couldn't upload it because it's 4.3mb and the bugzilla has a 1mb limit, comressing it makes it 2.2mb
[02:22] <brap> Mez: No this is about the 50th try lol
[02:22] <jbailey> MistaED: Ah bugger, oh well.
[02:22] <Mez> hit alt +f2 and login to there
[02:22] <Mez> then type sudo -i
[02:22] <Mez> then type ps x
[02:22] <jbailey> MistaED: Let's get a log of what it thinks it's doing.
[02:22] <Mez> andlook for something like dpkg
[02:22] <jbailey> MistaED: Can you paste me the output of uname -a ?
[02:22] <Mez> and copy that here
[02:23] <brap> Mez: alt f2 wont go to the other term either
[02:23] <Mez> what happens if you reboot (wihtout the CD in)
[02:23] <brap> It's like it just hangs
[02:23] <brap> It'll seg fault on acpi
[02:23] <Mez> ok
[02:23] <Mez> then
[02:23] <Mez> reinstall
[02:23] <Mez> but...
[02:23] <Mez> when it brings up the boot menu
[02:23] <brap> even though I did pci=acpi off or whatever
[02:23] <Mez> tpye "sderver"
[02:23] <Mez> server
[02:23] <brap> k
[02:23] <Mez> and then run that install
[02:23] <Mez> that will do a minimal/custom install
[02:24] <brap> lemme give that a go
[02:24] <Shufla> fsapo: with druid and jdbc you can import/export db to that tool. it's really nice, some computer studies projects have been made by my friends with druid :D
[02:24] <Mez> so at least you'll have a non-X system to try and work with
[02:24] <Mez> then you cna try and install it and at least ahve some sort of term to work with
[02:24] <brap> Mez: true didnt think of that
[02:24] <Mez> ;)
[02:25] <MistaED> jbailey: a chroot of it? atm i'm running it with the fixed initrd
[02:26] <jbailey> MistaED: However we get into it. =)
[02:26] <yonil> I have a question regarding thunderbird -- can i create a folder and make all mail from someone go automaticaly to that folder?
[02:27] <Shufla> yonil: yes, use filtering.
[02:28] <yonil> Shufla, cool thanks :)
[02:29] <Shufla> yonil: btw rmb on email and 'create filter' option...
[02:30] <Shufla> well. if some1 would sponsored me i might consider writing some manuals for desktop apps :> (in my native language for now ;) )
[02:31] <mgcross> hi all
[02:31] <AsAs> tulog ata mga tao?
[02:31] <AsAs> hi mg
[02:32] <Shufla> what is .ph?
[02:32] <mgcross> I see that there's an update to the kernel available 2.6.10-34-1...
[02:33] <mgcross> will I foul up my nvidia drivcers if I install the update?
[02:33] <Shufla> ah, i know :>
[02:33] <dcraven> You think I'd get sued if I called my software project "Newton" and had an apple for a logo? heh
[02:33] <mgcross> no takers?
[02:34] <dcraven> mgcross: Probably.
[02:34] <thoreauputic> dcraven: call it Leibnitz and use a banana ;)
[02:34] <Shufla> dcraven: in europe i do not think so :>
[02:34] <Seveas> mgcross, only if you installed them manually instead of using linux-restricted-modules
[02:34] <dcraven> Maybe I'm safe in Canada.
[02:34] <mgcross> hmmm...so I'll need to wait for the restricted modules?
[02:34] <Shufla> heh. i'd like to move to some nice island. on pacific...
[02:34] <booman> Mez: Ok that got me into the system from the server install, now whats the course of action?
[02:35] <mgcross> woo, thanks Seveas
[02:36] <dcraven> thoreauputic: Good idea. haha
[02:38] <root_____> xorg in breezy seems to be broken now...isnt'it?
[02:38] <dcraven> root_____: Yes.
[02:38] <booman> Mez: Ok that got me into the system from the server install, now whats the course of action?
[02:38] <nanomad> any solutions?
[02:39] <Mez> apt-get install xserver-xorg
[02:39] <nanomad> Mez: ?? its already installer
[02:39] <nanomad> *installed
[02:39] <thoreauputic> nanomad: no, this is a bare bones server install
[02:39] <dcraven> nanomad: He was talkin' to booman I think.
[02:40] <dcraven> nanomad: Your solution is to avoid breezy for the time being..
[02:40] <dcraven> :)
[02:40] <nanomad> dcraven: yeah...i see
[02:40] <nanomad> dcraven: i will wait....np
[02:40] <booman> Mez: Should I grab it from the install cd or....
[02:40] <GeckoGeek> hey
[02:40] <dcraven> nanomad: Your system is broken right now?
[02:40] <Mez> preferably online ;)
[02:40] <booman> Mez: k
[02:41] <Mez> seeing as from teh install CD seems to be c**cking up
[02:41] <GeckoGeek> how do i get ubuntu to run sax....( sorry i am a newb to it)
[02:41] <nanomad> dcraven: yes
[02:41] <zubuntu> hi folks :)
[02:41] <tch_well_tch_rt> Good Morning!
[02:41] <nanomad> hi
[02:41] <Seveas> GeckoGeek, what is sax?
[02:41] <dcraven> GeckoGeek: As in an XML parser?
[02:42] <Ubuntian> anyone knows how i can setup the gtk locale in french? or install it?
[02:42] <zubuntu> is there a page in the web wher i can find a list of all the soft included in kubuntu?
[02:42] <booman> Mez: apt only has the cd listed for an apt source I think
[02:42] <nanomad> dcraven: bugzilla says it was solved...
[02:42] <Seveas> Ubuntian, install language-support-fr
[02:42] <GeckoGeek> ummm not sure....like video card, monitor setup...
[02:42] <Ubuntian> Seveas, u're the man!
[02:42] <Seveas> ah you mean a setup tool
[02:42] <dcraven> nanomad: I dunno if it will work, but I'd try changing my apt sources back to hoary and reinstalling xorg. Or applying the fix in that bug. Dunno if either will work.
[02:42] <Seveas> GeckoGeek, ubuntu has no sax
[02:43] <booman> Mez: nm hashed it out
[02:43] <GeckoGeek> ohh okay sozs...
[02:43] <Seveas> ubuntu has the system->preferences and system->sdministration menu
[02:43] <GeckoGeek> what tool helps me setup those things...
[02:43] <Mez> howd you get it working booman ?
[02:43] <Seveas> GeckoGeek, the menus :)
[02:43] <zubuntu> so...?
[02:43] <Shufla> GeckoGeek: sudo dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:43] <Seveas> zubuntu, packages.ubuntu.com
[02:43] <nanomad> dcraven: will try
[02:44] <Shufla> tfu
[02:44] <Shufla> dpkg-reconfigure
[02:44] <booman> Mez: Just hashed out the cd apt from sources.list so it's d/ling it
[02:44] <dcraven> Ubuntian: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[02:44] <zubuntu> thanks seveas
[02:44] <GeckoGeek> Shufla, that didnt work...
[02:44] <aclosson> hi
[02:44] <Mez> so now you've got it working?
[02:44] <Shufla> GeckoGeek: dpkg-reconfigure
[02:44] <zubuntu> the 5.04 is horay, isn't it?
[02:44] <booman> Mez: no, still d/ling x :] 
[02:44] <hac> Why when I run sudo I get  "must be setuid root".I have a recompiled kernel
[02:44] <zubuntu> what's freezy?
[02:44] <Seveas> zubuntu, yes
[02:45] <Mez> ah lol
[02:45] <snader> freezy :)
[02:45] <Seveas> breezy will be the next version
[02:45] <zubuntu> :)
[02:45] <dcraven> zubuntu: I think breezy is 5.10 no?
[02:45] <dark> it is
[02:45] <zubuntu> maybe yes
[02:45] <Seveas> dcraven, correct
[02:45] <Shufla> breezy
[02:45] <zubuntu> or say 5.05 :)
[02:45] <Seveas> zubuntu, no
[02:45] <Seveas> the version numbers are time related
[02:45] <dcraven> zubuntu: See the topic about using breezy :)
[02:46] <zubuntu> why not? it's all about changes
[02:46] <zubuntu> and releases :)
[02:46] <Seveas> it will be released in october 2005, so 5.10
[02:46] <zubuntu> but oup, it's on a 6 months basis
[02:46] <zubuntu> that's true sorry :)
[02:46] <dcraven> Seveas: Good one. I didn't see the pattern.
[02:46] <Elfir3> since i've updated to hoary, i have version problems with x (nvidia), version are not right even if i downloaded the last ones
[02:47] <Elfir3> Api missmatch he said ...
[02:47] <zubuntu> u mean that with the current version of X transparency is well hold?
[02:48] <Elfir3> no
[02:48] <zubuntu> ok :(
[02:49] <Elfir3> cant run x :)
[02:49] <zubuntu> is kdevelop included by default in the kubuntu cd?
[02:50] <Elfir3> are you talking to me ?
[02:50] <zubuntu> it was a question :)
[02:50] <Riddell> zubuntu: it's not (neither ubuntu not kubuntu has space on 1 CD for many developers tools) but you can easily install it
[02:50] <Elfir3> lol
[02:51] <zubuntu> easily...
[02:51] <zubuntu> I should download it and build it from sources :'(
[02:51] <zubuntu> God, how I hate that
[02:51] <zubuntu> it takes me the whole nite
[02:51] <thoreauputic> zubuntu: why would you do that to yourself?
[02:52] <Seveas> zubuntu, you can install it from the repositories
[02:52] <Seveas> zubuntu, then download the .deb files and install these
[02:52] <Ubuntian> dcraven, thanks
[02:52] <zubuntu> Seveas, yes but what if my box is at home and i do not have internet @ home?
[02:52] <Seveas> well, how would you install from sources then?
[02:52] <zubuntu> .deb fileS (they are many?)
[02:53] <zubuntu> download a single tar.gz
[02:53] <zubuntu> and build as usual
[02:53] <Choubaka> just download the debs and transfer them on a CD
[02:53] <Choubaka> .)
[02:53] <Elfir3> zubuntu : use apt-get install
[02:53] <Seveas> zubuntu, it's 2 debs
[02:53] <zubuntu> download it, put it in my flashdisk bring it to home...
[02:53] <Seveas> Elfir3, please read before talking
[02:53] <Elfir3> yes.. :)
[02:54] <Seveas> zubuntu, you need the kdevelop and kdevelop-data debfiles
[02:54] <zubuntu> only 2? soopa soopa lovely kubuntu!!
[02:54] <Riddell> zubuntu: actually it's kdevelop3
[02:54] <Riddell> kdevelop package is kdevelop 2, I plan to change that
[02:54] <zubuntu> so what?
[02:54] <zubuntu> not kdevelopp3.2?
[02:54] <Seveas> zubuntu, this is the complete dependency list:
[02:54] <Seveas>   automake1.6 kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data kdelibs4 kdevelop-data libarts1
[02:54] <Seveas>   libnetpbm10 libopenexr2 menu-xdg netpbm
[02:54] <Seveas> but i don't know which of these are on the CD
[02:55] <zubuntu> so i should download all that?
[02:55] <zubuntu> sigh :'(
[02:55] <Seveas> well, the kdelibs- debs should be on the cd :)
[02:55] <zubuntu> ouf!
[02:55] <Seveas> libarts1 is also on the cd
[02:55] <zubuntu> yeah!
[02:55] <dcraven> zubuntu: You in Ubuntu now?
[02:56] <Seveas> zubuntu, automake1.6 is NOT on the cd
[02:56] <zubuntu> actually i'm on mdk
[02:56] <s_yuan31tee> hi, anyone noe where I can get scim-chinese for warty?
[02:56] <Seveas> zubuntu, libnrtpbm IS on the cd
[02:56] <zubuntu> but i'm waiting for my sister to bring me the kubuntu cd this evening
[02:56] <Seveas> zubuntu, libopenexr2 IS on the CD
[02:56] <zubuntu> automake1.6? i used to use automake1.9
[02:57] <Seveas> zubuntu, menu-xdg IS on the cd
[02:57] <zubuntu> soopa!
[02:57] <Seveas> zubuntu, kdevelop somehow needs automake 1.6
[02:57] <zubuntu> !
[02:57] <Seveas> zubuntu, netpbm IS on the cd
[02:57] <Seveas> so you would need onle kdevelop-data, kdevelop and automake1.6
[02:57] <zubuntu> thanks :)
[02:57] <Seveas> that's not too much :)
[02:58] <zubuntu> only?
[02:58] <Seveas> yeah only, i can't spell :)
[02:58] <zubuntu> oh sure
[02:58] <zubuntu> O-N-L-Y :)
[02:58] <dcraven> zubuntu: Here are a list of deps for kdevelop3. http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/kde/kdevelop3
[02:59] <Seveas> dcraven, we figured it out already ;)
[02:59] <dcraven> Seveas: I'm a little slow.
[02:59] <zubuntu> :)
[02:59] <booman> Mez: ok it installed
[02:59] <zubuntu> But i'm seeing an old version :(
[02:59] <Seveas> hmm, kdevelop3 needs automake1.4
[02:59] <Seveas> so i guess kdevelop3 is older than kdevelop
[02:59] <zubuntu> kdevelop_2.1.5.1-7_i386.deb, don't tell me that 2.1.5 is the version ! :'(
[03:00] <zubuntu> the currect version is 3.2
[03:00] <Seveas> eh narf
[03:00] <zubuntu> the stable one
[03:00] <Seveas> zubuntu, that one is in /pool/universe/
[03:00] <Seveas> zubuntu, and it can be used with automake1.9 too
[03:01] <zubuntu> :) yay! i love that!
[03:01] <Seveas> automake | automake1.9 | automake1.7
[03:01] <zubuntu> so no need to build:)
[03:01] <Seveas> indeed :)
[03:01] <zubuntu> i used to build the whole kde with mdk10.0
[03:01] <Seveas> just 3 debfiles
[03:01] <mathmatt> i need to create a partition for winxp.  I believe i need to resize /root first.  How do I do this and how do I make the new partition?
[03:01] <Seveas> mathmatt, you can only do that from a livecd
[03:02] <shovel> question from ubuntu newbie: whats up with sudo and su... if I do 'sudo command' and it asks me for the pword it works, if I do 'su' or 'su -' it doesn't accept the same password
[03:02] <Seveas> you cannot resize mounted partitions
[03:02] <mathmatt> yes i understand
[03:02] <Seveas> shovel, su wants a root password
[03:02] <Seveas> and there is no root password on ubuntu
[03:02] <shovel> so does sudo
[03:02] <Seveas> shovel, no
[03:02] <shovel> ?
[03:02] <Seveas> sudo wants YOUR password
[03:02] <shovel> ohh oops
[03:02] <thoreauputic> mathmatt: you mean / not /root I assume
[03:02] <Seveas> shovel: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:02] <zubuntu> mathmatt, i used to do that with a windoz soft partitionmagic but it seems that there's a similar and really working soft under nix :)
[03:03] <shovel> thanks seveas
[03:03] <mathmatt> shovel, i have a live cd, how do i do it then?
[03:03] <Seveas> shovel, to get a root shell: sudo -i
[03:03] <Seveas> or sudo su -
[03:03] <cafuego_> 'sudo bash' works fine too.
[03:03] <shovel> thanks Seveas
[03:04] <Seveas> cafuego_, that's an icky one
[03:04] <Seveas> only sudo -i and sudo su - make it a login shell
[03:04] <Seveas> so sudo bash can create nastyness :)
[03:04] <cafuego_> ha, sudo bash in 'screen' and then remove the shell from wtmp!
[03:05] <cafuego_> @info bash breezy
[03:05] <ubotu> bash: (The GNU Bourne Again SHell), section base, is required. Version: 3.0-14ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 686 kB, Installed size: 1688 kB
[03:05] <zubuntu> is /pool/universe/k/kdevelop3/kdevelop3_3.2.0.orig.tar.gz sources or packaged .debs?
[03:05] <Seveas> cafuego_, does that bot have some sort of help command that works in a query?
[03:05] <cafuego_> zubuntu: source tarball
[03:05] <Seveas> zubuntu, that is sources
[03:06] <JaffaCAk1> I'm thinking of installing xp on my other driver later. I'm guessing this might cause some problems with grub. How can I get it to dual boot ok?
[03:06] <cafuego_> Seveas: Anything it can do it can do via query as well.
[03:06] <s_yuan31tee> hi, anyone noe where I can get scim-chinese for warty?
[03:06] <zubuntu> ok :) got to run away from 'em then :)
[03:06] <Seveas> JaffaCAk1, either use the XP bootloader or re-install grub from a livecd
[03:06] <JaffaCAk1> the xp one will boot ubuntu ok?
[03:06] <cafuego_> Seveas: try /m ubotu help  (it's a clone of thr #debian bots, with an ubuntu package file backend)
[03:07] <JaffaCAk1> note that ubuntu is on my secondary drive atm and xp will be going on my primary
[03:07] <Seveas> where is something
[03:07] <Seveas> ah ok, it does not respond to that in a channel :)
[03:07] <mathmatt> how do i resize the / partition?
[03:07] <Burgundavia> cafuego_, is that your bot?
[03:07] <cafuego_> Burgundavia: yes
[03:08] <Elfir3> hi, when i upgraded to hoary, I told him to keep the xfree86 config file, now it doesnt want to start. How can I get back and get the new config file ?
[03:08] <Burgundavia> cafuego_, can you join #ubuntu-doc
[03:08] <cafuego_> Burgundavia: Can I or can I make it join?
[03:08] <shovel> Seveas: Read the wiki thanks for that, makes sense now....
[03:08] <zubuntu> can you give me the serial number of winzip or a hacked version of it?
[03:08] <zubuntu> just kidding!!!!
[03:08] <zubuntu> i swear :)
[03:08] <Burgundavia> cafuego_, join #ubuntu-doc
[03:09] <tch_well_tch_rt> Jaffa rip the first 512 bytes from the second drive ( dd=\ if of=\) create a boot.lnx file move it to the windows system and edit the boot.ini
[03:10] <novaflare> wait you made a bot that answers questions useing the docs?
[03:10] <cafuego_> no, just the package lists.
[03:10] <cafuego_> i just slightly modified an exisitn g bot
[03:10] <novaflare> ahh ok
[03:10] <Elfir3> no1 can help me ?
[03:11] <novaflare> was gona say damn that was loads of typing heh
[03:11] <zubuntu> Seveas, i just found kdevelop3_3.2.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb where kdevelop-data?
[03:11] <JaffaCAk1> how do I get the first 512 bytes?
[03:11] <tch_well_tch_rt>  Jaffa http://www.lesbell.com.au/Home.nsf/0/96ed97b0093f9fb44a2568c60036ca4e?OpenDocument using windows to boot linux
[03:11] <thoreauputic> Elfir3: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:11] <Seveas> Filename: pool/universe/k/kdevelop3/kdevelop3-data_3.2.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[03:11] <zubuntu> Elfir3, maybe it's a font problem, u know?
[03:11] <JaffaCAk1> thanks
[03:11] <tch_well_tch_rt> NP
[03:12] <Elfir3> zubuntu no... nvidia :)
[03:12] <Elfir3> thoreauputic not installed...
[03:12] <Elfir3> i did it with xserver-xfree, but still the same problem
[03:13] <Elfir3> and when I want to install xorg, it told me he cannot auth the package
[03:13] <zubuntu> Seveas, where? i didn't find it :(
[03:14] <Seveas> according to apt it is at  http://archive.ubuntu.com/pool/universe/k/kdevelop3/kdevelop3-data_3.2.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[03:14] <kynes> I installed RealPlayer 10
[03:14] <kynes> but it doesn't work
[03:14] <Seveas> according to apt it is at  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kdevelop3/kdevelop3-data_3.2.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[03:14] <kynes> what can I do now?
[03:14] <Seveas> zubuntu, and that link works :)
[03:15] <zubuntu> i'm trying :)
[03:15] <thoreauputic> kynes: read the section about realplay at http://ubuntuguide.org
[03:15] <zubuntu> because i was under artfiles.com
[03:16] <Mez> eek
[03:16] <Mez> whast one of the best linux wysiwyg html edtors?
[03:16] <kynes> okay thanks
[03:16] <Xappe> Mez: NVU maybe?
[03:16] <Mez> nvu ?
[03:16] <Mez> I'm just looking for somthing comparable to dreamweaver ;)
[03:17] <kynes> thoreauputic: but how can I remove realplayer I installed?
[03:17] <tch_well_tch_rt> kynes - are you using gnome "Ubuntu" or KDE "Kubuntu"?
[03:17] <kynes> thoreauputic: Ubuntu it is
[03:17] <kynes> gnome
[03:17] <zubuntu> Seveas, yes it works fine :) thanks
[03:17] <Xappe> Mez, http://www.nvu.com/
[03:17] <kynes> thoreauputic: I mean the symbolic links..
[03:17] <Mez> yeah was just looking
[03:17] <zubuntu> it's 2.11 megs and it takes me at least 5 minutes!!!
[03:17] <tch_well_tch_rt> Does anyone think kynes problem is related to esd?
[03:17] <kynes> thoreauputic: will it be enough to install with the method from ubuntuguide
[03:18] <Seveas> tch_well_tch_rt, very well possible
[03:18] <kynes> tch: realplayer doesn't even come up GUI
[03:18] <kynes> tch: executable just works there.. background
[03:19] <Mez> ah not in pat
[03:19] <Mez> but there's an ubuntu version
[03:20] <mathmatt> how do i resize the / partition and create a windows partition?
[03:20] <Seveas> mathmatt, boot from a livecd and use gparted/qtparted
[03:21] <zubuntu> yes! qtparted!! that's what i meant when i spoke about partitionmagic
[03:22] <tch_well_tch_rt> mathmatt - you can use qtparted or gparted to resize a partition. installing windows  will corrupt your linux install.
[03:22] <Seveas> tch_well_tch_rt, that is not true
[03:22] <richard> I just installed Ubuntu (used debian before), when i was in the partioning setup, i choiced /dev/sda1 to mount as /home , this was al going well, but now when I boot Ubuntu, it says it can't find /dev/sda1 , it seems like it doesnt load any drivers for SATA. Any idea?
[03:22] <Seveas> richard, maybe you should add the sata modules to /etc/modules (or even the initrd)
[03:23] <tch_well_tch_rt> Installing windows on the same disk as linux if you don't install windows first will be a problem.
[03:23] <Seveas> tch_well_tch_rt, it will not
[03:23] <richard> Will have a look at that Seveas
[03:23] <zubuntu> yes, it will not
[03:23] <Seveas> you will just need to re-install grub
[03:23] <zubuntu> the formats are not the same!
[03:23] <CarlK> mathmatt - I just got here - are you trying to build a dual boot box?
[03:24] <tch_well_tch_rt> Seveas - ? - How do you install windows after you install linux on the same drive?
[03:25] <s_yuan31tee> hello, may i know in current linux, most of the binary are in elf or aout format??
[03:25] <CarlK> or.. Ill just post what I think all dual booters need to know: the Ubuntu setup lets you resize NTFS partitions
[03:25] <zubuntu> mathmatt, i guess you're a newbie so like seveas proposed use qtparted or if you're familiar with zindowz use partitionmagic and forget about it after ;)
[03:25] <mjr> s_yuan31tee, elf
[03:25] <mjr> s_yuan31tee, probably about nothing uses a.out anymore
[03:25] <rumanzini> Hi all, I have a problem with my dvd-recorder, it is detected six times! i. e. while booting, it appears this six times first:
[03:25] <rumanzini> Vendor: TOSHIBA   Model: DVD-ROM SD-R6112  Rev: 1032
[03:25] <rumanzini>   Type:   CD-ROM
[03:25] <Seveas> tch_well_tch_rt, if it is XP: no problem at all, if not: use grub to hide/map drives/partitions
[03:25] <rumanzini> then this:
[03:25] <s_yuan31tee> hello, may i know in current linux, most of the binary are in elf or aout format??
[03:25] <rumanzini> Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[03:25] <rumanzini> sr1: scsi3-mmc drive: 24x/24x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
[03:25] <Seveas> CarlK, yes
[03:25] <rumanzini> changing sr1 for sr2, sr3 and so on
[03:26] <mathmatt> CarlK, I am adding windows to a Linux box
[03:26] <CarlK> rumanzini - please don't pastes multiple lines
[03:26] <s_yuan31tee> soli
[03:26] <tch_well_tch_rt> Yes - update-grub command will put things right.
[03:26] <s_yuan31tee> just nw i lost all my message
[03:26] <Seveas> tch_well_tch_rt, it won't
[03:26] <s_yuan31tee> please pardon me for asking again the same question
[03:26] <s_yuan31tee> hello, may i know in current linux, most of the binary are in elf or aout format??
[03:26] <Seveas> tch_well_tch_rt, *please* do not confuse newbies with incorrect information
[03:26] <CarlK> mathmatt - you can add win to linux, but it is "harder"
[03:26] <Seveas> s_yuan31tee, elf
[03:26] <richard> Seveas, if i load module sata_via and then mount it, it works. Added the module to /etc/modules and will try to reboot, thanks alot
[03:26] <tch_well_tch_rt> What am i missing?
[03:26] <Seveas> almost no one uses a.out
[03:26] <rumanzini> ok CarlK, sorry
[03:27] <Seveas> tch_well_tch_rt, update-grub is for updating menu.lst after installing a new kernel package
[03:27] <tch_well_tch_rt> then teach me too.
[03:27] <s_yuan31tee> Seveas: how come when i use nasm to assemble the source code to aout format and link again with gcc, it still run?
[03:27] <pfp> rumanzini: you probably have 'probe all LUNs' set in kernel's scsi cnf
[03:27] <mathmatt> CarlK, I think i need to use a Live CD, resize / and then create a NTFS partition for windows in the free space
[03:27] <mathmatt> CarlK, Does that sound reasonable?
[03:27] <Seveas> s_yuan31tee, linux can still use a.out binaries
[03:27] <jcantero> hola, alguien en espaol
[03:27] <rumanzini> thank you pfp, do you know how I can change this?
[03:27] <Seveas> jcantero, #ubuntu-es
[03:27] <tch_well_tch_rt> doesn't update-grub also rewrite the boot sector also?
[03:28] <CarlK> mathmatt - the win install will let you create the NTFS partiton, so you just need to free up space
[03:28] <Seveas> tch_well_tch_rt, no
[03:28] <Elfir3> mathmatt: i think it is
[03:28] <^rob> heya all, if you have a machine with two heads, should the second head be solid white when not in use?
[03:28] <pfp> rumanzini: compile a new kernel :) or grep/google if there's a boot-time option for it
[03:28] <Seveas> tch_well_tch_rt, see man update-grub
[03:28] <mathmatt> CarlK, OK and I plan to use parted -> resize
[03:29] <CarlK> mathmatt - and like someone said, win install will replace grub with a win only loader, but it is easy enough to put grub back and have it  boot both
[03:29] <zubuntu> what people if we search for a kubuntu sponsor? I mean we can do that all together
[03:30] <Seveas> zubuntu, kubuntu is sponsored by Canonical
[03:30] <zubuntu> then kubuntu will be available for free like ubuntu, coz' not everybody has broadband
[03:30] <Amaranth> no, kubuntu CDs won't be made
[03:30] <zubuntu> yes i know, but i mean gether help and money for kubuntu cds
[03:30] <Amaranth> oh
[03:30] <rumanzini> the problem is that k3b freezes while trying a cd or dvd burning, and I thought that it could be because of this multiple detection
[03:30] <mathmatt> CarlK, Thanks, I think I can handle the grub stuff
[03:30] <zubuntu> Amaranth> why not?
[03:31] <Amaranth> zubuntu: it costs too much, but you said you were trying to raise money
[03:31] <pfp> rumanzini: is your drive ide or scsi?
[03:31] <Amaranth> zubuntu: so if you can get $1,000,000 it could happen ;)
[03:31] <rumanzini> I don't know it, sorry
[03:31] <zubuntu> Amaranth, ubuntu was shipped for free
[03:31] <Amaranth> zubuntu: yes, ubuntu gets shipped for free
[03:31] <zubuntu> Amaranth, not ME, WE :)
[03:32] <zubuntu> I haven't that money but i can help with a website and some viral marketing techniques... anyway, i'll do what i can :)
[03:32] <rumanzini> I don't know the difference between ide or scsi device, but 'dmesg' says this:
[03:32] <rumanzini> scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices
[03:32] <rumanzini> maybe it is an ide device
[03:33] <pfp> rumanzini: yes, you have an ide drive and linux uses scasi emulation for it. what's your kernel version? ('uname -r')
[03:33] <rumanzini> 2.6.10-1-k7
[03:34] <pfp> hmm, you shouldn't be using ide-scsi emulation at all AFAIK
[03:35] <rumanzini> it is a kernel-image deb package that I installed
[03:35] <zubuntu> what does AFAIK means? (english is the 4th language i learned. sorry)
[03:35] <pfp> hmm...
[03:35] <^rob> zubuntu: as far as I know
[03:35] <MrErnest> question: I just downloaded ubuntu-5.04-install-i386, and I have 2 hard drives, one with linux file system (linux ext3) how do I make an install cd to install linux on my 2 hard drive?
[03:35] <zubuntu> ok :) thanks
[03:36] <pfp> rumanzini: hmm, was the kernel-image-xxx or linux-image-xxx
[03:37] <rumanzini> kernel-image
[03:37] <Seveas> MrErnest, the installer will ask you where it should install linux
[03:37] <MrErnest> well, but how do i start the install?
[03:37] <zubuntu> btw, i'm on mdk10.0 will migrating to kubuntu give me headaches? I worry about all the work in my box. apache, mysql, webapps...
[03:37] <Seveas> MrErnest, boot from the install CD
[03:37] <pfp> rumanzini: strange, ubuntu names them linux-image-xxx, kernel* are from Debian
[03:37] <IIIEars> << Back - Doh!
[03:37] <MrErnest> i dont have a cd, i downloaded and unzipped the program
[03:37] <rumanzini> I'm using knoppix linux installed on hard disk, I came here because in debian channels nobody knew how help me
[03:38] <pfp> ach... ok
[03:38] <Seveas> MrErnest, you must download the .iso file and burn that to cd
[03:38] <MrErnest> so the zipped program is on my main hard drive, witch i use win xp on
[03:38] <MrErnest> but i thought the iso file was on the package? i downloaded
[03:38] <Seveas> MrErnest, what exactly did you download?
[03:38] <pfp> rumanzini: try to disable the ide-scsi module, if it is a module on your system
[03:39] <MrErnest> ubuntu-5.04-install-i386
[03:39] <rumanzini> ok, I'm going to try it
[03:39] <pfp> rumanzini: 'modprobe -r' ide-scsi and remove the line from /etc/modules
[03:39] <CarlK> MrErnest -  ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso ?
[03:39] <Seveas> MrErnest, that is one file with extension .iso right?
[03:39] <MrErnest> yes
[03:39] <MrErnest> sais iso in the end there
[03:39] <pfp> after that linux should see your drive as an IDE device
[03:39] <Seveas> MrErnest, burn that to cd
[03:39] <MrErnest> hm, no it does not say iso in the end
[03:40] <MrErnest> ill have to find the iso one....
[03:40] <Seveas> MrErnest, maybe you have set winxp to hide extensions
[03:40] <CarlK> MrErnest - are you looking at it in Windows ?
[03:40] <zubuntu> Seveas, i looked in pool/universe/a/ and i didn't find automake, where can i find it?
[03:40] <Seveas> MrErnest, is the file several hundreds of megabytes big?
[03:40] <Seveas> pool/main/a
[03:40] <MrErnest> yes it is seveas
[03:40] <Seveas> MrErnest, then it's the correct file
[03:41] <zubuntu> ok thanks seveas :)
[03:41] <Mez> no fair that nvu is in breezy
[03:41] <Seveas> you need to burn that file on a cd using the "Burn image" option of your cd burning program
[03:41] <MrErnest> ok, ill take a look
[03:41] <MrErnest> see what i can find out
[03:41] <MrErnest> ty for now :-)
[03:41] <rumanzini> modprobe -r ide-scsi says: Error removing ide-scsi [...] : Device or resource busy
[03:41] <Seveas> yw
[03:41] <Xappe> Mez: it's easy to install even without a .deb
[03:41] <Mez> I know
[03:41] <zubuntu> so automake1.9 is okay?
[03:41] <Mez> would be easier if it did have one though ;)
[03:41] <Seveas> rumanzini, add ide-scsi to /etc/hotplug/blacklist and reboot if you want it to be removed
[03:41] <Seveas> zubuntu, yes
[03:42] <zubuntu> again thanks and sorry for being that heavy :)
[03:42] <rumanzini> thank you very much pfp and Seveas, I'm gonna try it :)
[03:42] <Seveas> it's ok :)
[03:43] <IIIEars> MrErnest - isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm Will work if you are stuck using windows without Nero.
[03:44] <kynes> how can I remove realplayer?
[03:44] <zubuntu> Seveas, if u were a girl i'll marry you right now! no negociating, zerro speech, zerro equations: I'll maary you!
[03:44] <zubuntu> :)
[03:44] <IIIEars> lol
[03:44] <zubuntu> lol
[03:45] <Seveas> zubuntu, sorry, i'm a guy (and already engaged)
[03:45] <IIIEars> Seveas - If he asks for a pic you may be in trouble.
[03:45] <zubuntu> arrgh ! lol
[03:45] <zubuntu> so i'm asking for a pic
[03:45] <zubuntu> !!!
[03:45] <pfp> heh
[03:45] <martii> ;)
[03:45] <Seveas> IIIEars, nah, he'll just freak out: http://foto.kaarsemaker.net/Dennis
[03:45] <gaoxing> 
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> wow, marriage proposals and all, it's all happenign
[03:46] <gaoxing> 
[03:46] <HrdwrBoB> gaoxing: english please
[03:46] <zubuntu> riding to see it !! :)
[03:46] <Seveas> gaoxing, we speak english in here
[03:46] <Seveas> there is #ubuntu-zh for chinese
[03:46] <gaoxing> My English is poor
[03:46] <zubuntu> yay man, it's kinda netherland or such...
[03:46] <zubuntu> mine too :)
[03:46] <Seveas> gaoxing, then go to #ubuntu-zh
[03:47] <HrdwrBoB> gaoxing: yes but we can't help you at all in other languages
[03:47] <zubuntu> Seveas, coll brotha :)
[03:47] <zubuntu> http://cafefort.com/about.php
[03:47] <cmg_> anyone use rox-filer?
[03:47] <zubuntu> cool i mean :) my english is shity :p
[03:47] <gaoxing> good ,thanks
[03:48] <Seveas> cmg_, i use it sometimes
[03:50] <zubuntu> i bet there's no lady out here!!
[03:51] <cam_> what do i need to play midi files!?
[03:51] <zubuntu> a software, like amarok
[03:52] <zubuntu> you're on kde?
[03:52] <Seveas> cam_, you can try timifity
[03:52] <Seveas> timidity*
[03:52] <zubuntu> :)
[03:53] <cam_> ta
[03:53] <cam_> :)
[03:54] <gaoxing> ubuntu noboby
[03:54] <kanzen> Hi all. I was in here yesterday asking about trouble I was having installing ubuntu. I think I may have narrowed down the problem. Disk I/O (including the CDrom drive that I'm trying to install ubuntu from) seems to go crazy when I have a kernel that can see all 16GB of memory in the system. If I use a 32 bit kernel (this is a dual opteron) then everything works fine, unless I enable PAE. If I use a 64 bit kernel, then I can't insta
[03:54] <gaoxing> ubuntu_zg noboby
[03:55] <Seveas> gaoxing, then you have to try in english here
[03:55] <kanzen> Are there any guides for kernal tunables on a system with large memory?
[03:55] <gaoxing> good
[03:55] <Seveas> kanzen, no ubuntu specific ones i'm afraid
[03:56] <Seveas> kanzen, you might have a bit more luck finding a debian guide
[03:56] <gaoxing> I have to try in english
[03:57] <Seveas> gaoxing, you can try the ubuntu-zh@lists.ubuntu.com mailing list too
[03:57] <kanzen> seveas: thanks! I'll focus my search there. :)
[03:58] <zubuntu> Seveas, are you from netherland?
[03:58] <jeroen_> he is
[03:58] <Seveas> zubuntu, yes
[03:59] <zubuntu> i once had a girfriend from there, she told me it's mervelous
[03:59] <jeroen_> mmm.. apparently I was wrong :p
[03:59] <bob2> kanzen: I'd naively guess you had bad ram
[03:59] <bob2> kanzen: or your motherboard doesn't like the way it's arranged
[04:00] <jeroen_> which do you know, zubuntu
[04:00] <jeroen_> ?
[04:00] <zubuntu> kabyle, french, arabic, english and a few german too
[04:00] <lrnzcpmn> Does anybody know what's wrong with this pipeline:  audio/x-raw-int,rate=44100,channels=2 ! oggvorbis name=enc quality=0.5  I cannot make ogg files anymore with soundjuicer
[04:01] <jeroen_> what is kabyle?
[04:01] <zubuntu>  un pocco italiano to speak to girls with ;)
[04:01] <bob2> lrnzcpmn: you're better off asking a gstreamer channel or mailing list
[04:01] <zubuntu> kabyle? ever heared about berbers?
[04:01] <lrnzcpmn> oeps fisrt time you know
[04:01] <jeroen_> yes, I heard from berbers
[04:01] <zubuntu> you know ubuntu is african? berbers too :)
[04:01] <zubuntu> I am a berber then :)
[04:02] <jeroen_> South Africa != Berber :p
[04:02] <zubuntu> no? not at all :)
[04:02] <zubuntu> north africa
[04:02] <zubuntu> beyond the see :)
[04:02] <zubuntu> pfp, thanks :)
[04:03] <jeroen_> I can't find Kabyle in Wikipedia; it's shocking
[04:03] <cam_> im just getting no instrument messages with timidity
[04:03] <zubuntu> oh yes :(
[04:03] <raptoid> hi everydobyz
[04:03] <jeroen_> I know dutch+english+german+french+latin(only *from* latin)+greek(only *from* greek)
[04:03] <raptoid> raptoid@ubuntu:/etc/init.d$ sudo apt-get install vsftpd
[04:03] <raptoid> Reading package lists... Done
[04:03] <raptoid> Building dependency tree... Done
[04:03] <raptoid> You might want to run apt-get -f install to correct these:
[04:03] <raptoid> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:03] <raptoid>   proftpd: Depends: proftpd-common (= 1.2.10-8) but it is not going to be installed
[04:03] <raptoid>            Conflicts: ftp-server
[04:03] <raptoid>   vsftpd: Conflicts: ftp-server
[04:03] <raptoid> E: Unmet dependencies. Try apt-get -f install with no packages (or specify a solution).
[04:03] <raptoid> _
[04:04] <raptoid> ?
[04:04] <zubuntu> jeroen!! yay!! taht's great!
[04:04] <jeroen_> :)
[04:04] <Seveas> raptoid, for the 100th time DO NOT pate in here!!
[04:04] <raptoid> sorry Seveas
[04:04] <Seveas> you say that all the time
[04:04] <Seveas> when are you gonna learn?
[04:04] <zubuntu> hum...
[04:05] <wdh> raptoid, there are several nice pastebins on the web.. and then there is #flood..
[04:05] <Seveas> jeroen_, jij ook al gymnasium? :)
[04:05] <wdh> Seveas, BRRRR.. who would want to do that :)
[04:05] <Seveas> wdh, /me :)
[04:05] <jeroen_> Seveas, ja :)
[04:06] <wdh> Seveas, i really didnt care for the Greek and Latin..
[04:06] <IIIEars> raptoid check out. http://pastebin.com/  paste it there then add your link to it here.
[04:06] <Seveas> IIIEars, he has been told to do so several times already...
[04:06] <jeroen_> wdh, I don't care for the French *sigh*
[04:07] <IIIEars> Doh! (throws hands in the air..)
[04:12] <zoner_> do you guys know if windows xp works on qemu?
[04:12] <jeroen_> try the qemu website, zoner_
[04:12] <jeroen_> they'll know
[04:12] <zoner_> hehe
[04:12] <Seveas> zoner_, it has been reported to work
[04:12] <zoner_> k
[04:12] <raptoid> E: proftpd:  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 100
[04:12] <Elfir3> back...
[04:12] <raptoid> proftpd do not remove
[04:13] <raptoid> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[04:13] <zoner_> Seveas, thanx. I saw that on the website. I am not sure if I should trust that ;)
[04:13] <Seveas> zoner_, and what makes you trust me? :)
[04:13] <zoner_> lol
[04:13] <zoner_> Ah well. I guess I have to try for myself :)
[04:14] <IIIEars> vmware trial is another option
[04:15] <wdh> zoner_, i didnt get it to work, but it might be due to an indecent copy of the installation disk and/or a lack of memory
[04:15] <wdh> zoner_, win2k works like a charm though
[04:15] <wdh> and surely much faster :)
[04:15] <zoner_> wdh, hmm .. thanks
[04:16] <zoner_> maybe I should give win2k a go instead
[04:16] <zoner_> I also tend to write "has been reported to work" in some of my reports
[04:16] <zoner_> hehe
[04:19] <raptoid> Removing proftpd ...
[04:19] <raptoid> invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/proftpd not found.
[04:19] <raptoid> dpkg: error processing proftpd (--remove):
[04:19] <raptoid>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 100
[04:19] <raptoid> dpkg: proftpd-common: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you request:
[04:19] <raptoid>  proftpd depends on proftpd-common (= 1.2.10-8).
[04:19] <raptoid> Removing proftpd-common ...
[04:19] <raptoid> Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:19] <Seveas> raptoid, FOOL
[04:19] <raptoid>  proftpd
[04:19] <raptoid> off sorry
[04:19] <Seveas> raptoid, please leave...
[04:19] <wdh> raptoid, stfu
[04:19] <wdh> excuse my language
[04:20] <HrdwrBoB> Seveas: please read the coc
[04:20] <Seveas> HrdwrBoB, i have and signed it too
[04:20] <Seveas> but this guy is just ridiculous
[04:21] <Seveas> HrdwrBoB, over the past days, he flooded this channel several times
[04:21] <HrdwrBoB> I see what you mean .. probably he needs a bit more direction though
[04:21] <Seveas> and everytime he was told to use a pastebin
[04:21] <Seveas> WITH a complete url of the pastebin
[04:22] <wdh> zoner_, you might want to try kqemu as well
[04:23] <wdh> zoner_, an accelerator for qemu
[04:24] <jonathan_> hello I need some help with the installation of a wireless network PCMCIA cart
[04:24] <Elfir3> After upgrading to xorg, xserver still tels me that there's a version conflict between nvidia drivers and x.. what shall I do ?
[04:24] <jonathan_> the DWL-G650+ is found in ubuntu as a Texas Instruments card
[04:25] <jonathan_> this configuration does not work
[04:25] <jonathan_> my firefox webbrowser refuses toe download ndiswrapper
[04:25] <jonathan_> toe = to
[04:26] <Seveas> jonathaN, you do not need to download ndiswrapper with firefox
[04:26] <jonathan_> with apt-get, the installation of ndis has stopped because some folders can not be locked :s
[04:26] <Seveas> Elfir3, install xorg-driver-nvidia and linux-restricted-modules
[04:27] <Elfir3> thanks Seveas... i'll try this !
[04:27] <Seveas> jonathaN, make sure there are no other package managers open (synaptic, update manager, aptitude, other instances of apt-get)
[04:27] <CarlK> jonathan _ think I have that card...
[04:27] <jonathan_> you do :)
[04:27] <jonathan_> carlk, how did you made it work?
[04:28] <jonathan_> carlk, i just installed the latest version of ubuntu en performed the Internet Update
[04:28] <jonathan_> carlk, gcc is not installed
[04:28] <othernoob> where can i configure my soundcard ? i accidentally closed the sound config in the kdepanel :/
[04:28] <Seveas> jonathaN, you do not need gcc to install ndiswrapper
[04:29] <zEraCos> Will ubuntu run smooth on a AMD k6-2 350mhz , 190mb  machine?
[04:29] <bob2> ubuntu will be fine
[04:29] <jeroen_> zEraCos, not with gnome
[04:29] <bob2> gnome won't be much fun
[04:29] <Seveas> zEraCos, gnome might be slow
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> it would be usable though
[04:29] <Seveas> try XFCE or even fluxbox
[04:29] <carl> jonathaN, 2 things: mine is just dwl-650+ and I hear there are really 4 different versions of it
[04:29] <zEraCos> Does ubuntu come with fluxbox?
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> carl: yeah there is
[04:30] <bob2> zEraCos: it's available, yes
[04:30] <carl> jonathaN, but for this I just pluged it in and installed Ubuntu - it took care of everything
[04:30] <Seveas> zEraCos, it is available from the repositories
[04:30] <zEraCos> oh ok
[04:31] <carl> jonathaN, put the card in, boot the Ubuntu Live CD, see if it brings it up. that worked for 8 out of 8 wacked cards I had laying around
[04:31] <jonathan_> everybody, how do i see all the ESSID's
[04:31] <zEraCos> I've tried several dists on this machine.. but nothing really was convenient for me..  even with fluxbox. But I used the xvesa driver.. hopefully Xfree86 is  a lot faster
[04:31] <jonathan_> everbody, how scan for essid
[04:31] <Seveas> jonathan_, iwconfig scan
[04:31] <Seveas> jonathan_, and please do not repeat so quickly :)
[04:31] <bob2> jonathan_: sudo iwlist scanning
[04:32] <jonathan_> i refrased :p
[04:32] <Seveas> zEraCos, ubuntu hoary does not use xfree86
[04:32] <Seveas> it uses Xorg
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> zEraCos: what video card do you have
[04:32] <zEraCos> s3 virge 2mb
[04:32] <jonathan_> jonathan@ubuntu:~$ iwconfig scan
[04:32] <jonathan_> scan      No such device
[04:32] <Seveas> iwlist scan
[04:32] <Seveas> sorry, my bad
[04:33] <zEraCos> question is.. which one uses less resournce x.org or xfree86 ?
[04:33] <jonathan_> wlan0     No scan results
[04:33] <jonathan_> sit0      Interface doesn't support scanning.
[04:33] <HrdwrBoB> zEraCos: you can just use the 's3' driver then .. it will auto detect
[04:34] <carl> Seveas, i never saw iwlist scan before - thats awesome
[04:34] <MistaED> fluxbox, xvesa, you were using damn small linux right? heh
[04:34] <jonathan_> isn't there anybody who could build a rpm for a wifi card?
[04:34] <MistaED> anyway night
[04:35] <wdh> when configuring xserver-xorg, should i mark GLcore for installation? In other words, is DRI enabled in the current hoary kernel?
[04:36] <bob2> jonathan_: you don't seem to have explained your problem yet, at all
[04:37] <wdh> its for an onboard via km400 chipset
[04:37] <wdh> s3 unichrome
[04:38] <carl> flukebox, xterm - how do I "copy to clipboard"?
[04:38] <carl> I can select, but nothign copies or brings up a menu that might have copy on it
[04:38] <jonathan_> bob2, the problem is that i have a wireless connection in my netwerkconfiguration windows
[04:38] <littleworm> does KDE apps work on GNOME?
[04:38] <wdh> carl, i think just selecting something might work.. and then paste by pressing your middle-mouse-button
[04:38] <Seveas> littleworm, yes
[04:38] <littleworm> so is the difference?
[04:38] <bob2> jonathan_: that doesn't sound like a problem
[04:39] <jonathan_> bob2, if i activate it, i can't retrieve an IP
[04:39] <littleworm> so what is*
[04:39] <bob2> jonathan_: did you setup wep/wpa?
[04:39] <carl> wdh - trying to paste in Firefox, menu, paste is disabled (like when there is nothing to paste)
[04:39] <jonathan_> yes
[04:39] <wdh> carl, as i said, middle mouse-button
[04:39] <carl> jonathaN, set the ESSID to "all"
[04:39] <Chameleon22> i am trying to mount my ipod on linux (mount -w -t hfsplus /dev/sda3 /media/mp3player/) and do -rm -rf on it so i can run gnupod scripts however it tells me that mounted fs is read only, is there any way i can delete the files on there ?
[04:40] <carl> wdh - A) I only have 2, B) there is nothting to paste
[04:40] <jonathan_> bob2, now I am somewhere else but home, here the have a wireless network but i don't know the ESSID name, iwlist scan doesn't help
[04:40] <bob2> jonathan_: then ask whoever runs the network
[04:40] <kev0r> how do i play OGM files, got an OGM file here, but VLC/totem/mplayer cannot play it
[04:40] <carl> jonathaN, set the ESSID to "all"
[04:40] <Seveas> jonathaN, maybe he uses a hidden ESSID
[04:40] <bob2> Chameleon22: do you need to pass it -o rw?
[04:40] <Seveas> ndiswrapper can NOT handle a hidden ESSID
[04:40] <wdh> carl, make a selection, and then press both mouse buttons then
[04:40] <wdh> on the place you want it to be pasted
[04:40] <kikdadog> morning all you ubuntu gurus
[04:41] <wdh> carl, are you alright?
[04:41] <carl> ;)
[04:41] <jonathan_> it is in my school, and the administrator is *always* buzzy with nothing
[04:41] <Chameleon22> bob2: -o ?
[04:41] <jonathan_> i can't even find the ... :)
[04:41] <bob2> Chameleon22: -o rw
[04:41] <carl> wdh - "make a selection" is not putting anyting on the clipboard
[04:41] <Chameleon22> bob2: k will try
[04:41] <jonathan_> i typed 'all' in the ESSID
[04:42] <wdh> carl, its just another system to get things pasted.. doesnt really use a clipboard
[04:42] <jonathan_> then i iwlist scan in terminal
[04:42] <jonathan_> no scan results
[04:42] <Chameleon22> bob2:  something like this : mount -o rw -t hfsplus /dev/sda3 /media/mp3player/
[04:42] <carl> wdh - if I select text here in xchat, then "paste" is enabled in Firefox, and I can paste.  but I can't get anything from xterm
[04:42] <bob2> Chameleon22: yes
[04:43] <carl> wdh.. i see.. leme try that
[04:43] <zEraCos> which one uses less resournce x.org or xfree86 ?
[04:43] <carl> wdh - woa.. it worked.  thanks
[04:43] <wdh> carl, pfff.. that took some time :S
[04:44] <Chameleon22> bob2: still get read only fs error
[04:44] <wdh> :P
[04:44] <wdh> carl, but you are welcome..
[04:44] <bob2> Chameleon22: does linux support writing to hfsplus?
[04:44] <Chameleon22> bob2: i imagine so if gnupod used to work
[04:44] <jonathan_> don't know if anyone could help know this, Ubuntu hardware database entry : 9b9d33154b12d05ea915b3e0d2622902, but can't hurt to try
[04:46] <CBotPaste> "CarlK" at 192.168.1.122 pasted "dwl-650+ stuff" (16 lines) at http://audio.foxshare.net:8888/25
[04:47] <Seveas> CarlK, is that your bot?
[04:47] <carl> jonathaN,  - there is what I get on my box
[04:47] <carl> Seveas, yeah - it seems to follow me around
[04:48] <Seveas> carl, please DISABLE it. It is way too easy to abuse
[04:48] <carl> Seveas, will do
[04:48] <Seveas> thank you
[04:48] <francis_> can i ask a question?
[04:49] <jonathan_> carl, what did you mean?
[04:49] <Seveas> francis_, read the topic ;)
[04:49] <Jormundgand> In trying Breezy I have concluded I shall wait for bugs to be ironed out.
[04:49] <Seveas> Jormundgand, wise conclusion :)
[04:49] <Amaranth> carl: Can you please get rid of CBotPaste?
[04:49] <CarlK> im working on it..
[04:50] <Jormundgand> Bugs noted: volume control widget does not list non-OSS devices, many packages unavailable due to dependency hell, Ctrl commands all to hell.
[04:50] <jeroen_> what kind of bot is/was it?
[04:50] <Seveas> jeroen_, a bot that announced pastebin posts
[04:50] <gaoxing> hollel
[04:50] <Seveas> very easy to abuse
[04:50] <Amaranth> CarlK: I could do it for you. ;)
[04:50] <yahalom> how do i copy iso cds with nautilus? like make ubuntu copies?
[04:51] <CarlK> Amaranth - please just kick it
[04:51] <jeroen_> yahalom, you mean burn them?
[04:51] <yahalom> jeroen_, yes
[04:51] <CarlK> thanks..
[04:51] <jeroen_> yahalom, just right mouse click them and select write to disc
[04:51] <Amaranth> CarlK: Anytime. ;)
[04:52] <yahalom> jeroen_ no u didnt understand me:) i have an ubuntu cd and i want to make copies of that cd.
[04:52] <yahalom> jeroen_, from cd to cd
[04:53] <jeroen_> yahalom, easy solution: download the ISO ;)
[04:53] <yahalom> jeroen_, so no solution without doing that?
[04:53] <jeroen_> yahalom, I'm sure there is one; but I don't know it
[04:54] <yahalom> jeroen_, ah ok thanx
[04:54] <yahalom> it works on k3b so it should work on nautilus. my gnomebaker isnt working well it seems.
[04:55] <Amaranth> CarlK: forgot about that? :)
[04:55] <CarlK> Amaranth - I was being dumb and couldn't figure out how to op myself...
[04:56] <CarlK> Amaranth - or more correctly, I confused myself
[04:56] <Amaranth> CarlK: In xchat i have /op mapped to /cs op #channel, makes it easy
[04:56] <Amaranth> CarlK: /op Amaranth is /cs op #ubuntu Amaranth, for example
[04:57] <CarlK> Amaranth - not when you switch to another box whre you are logged in under a name that isn't linked bla bla bla...
[04:57] <Amaranth> CarlK: I've maxed out my links. :)
[04:57] <Seveas> Amaranth, how long does it take for new members to be added to the CS access list?
[04:58] <CarlK> the DLW box is a P1-233, 96 meg.  not the most pleasurable box to work on
[04:58] <Amaranth> Seveas: If you can find jdub and someone to vouch (sp?) for you it takes no time at all.
[04:58] <Seveas> k
[04:58] <carthik> Can someone guide me through revoking my current gpg key-pairs (and subkeys) and starting afresh? I beleive my private keys are not secure any longer.
[04:58] <CarlK> but it did teach me that "select + middle click" does't use the clipboard like I thought it did, so there is beauty in everything
[04:58] <yahalom> ok i know this might be a bit off topic, but help would be appreciated. on a machine that is running ubuntun, would a windows98 boot disk work? or would it have trouble with reading ext3 resiserfs?
[04:59] <yahalom> what about a win98 boot-cd?
[04:59] <fabbione> carthik: you need to create a revoke cert and upload it to the keyserver. import it to invalidate the private key
[04:59] <fabbione> carthik: and you can trash your .gnupg
[04:59] <andre_r> hi
[04:59] <Elfir3> I removed the old version of restricted modules, now there's just k7 ones, i reinstalled every nvidia packages, and now, there isn't any nvidia module found :( are they only working with i386 ones ?
[04:59] <CarlK> yahalom - what is a "win98 boot disk"?
[04:59] <carthik> fabbione, okay, so revoke and upload to keyserver is fine, but how do I import it again?
[05:00] <yahalom> CarlK, i'm glad u dont know :)
[05:00] <m4x> lewiz_, u still there?
[05:00] <fabbione> carthik: once you create the certificate, it will be in a file
[05:00] <CarlK> yahalom - although the easy answer is: No MS Win Anything will read ext3 or anthing other than FAT or NTFS
[05:00] <fabbione> carthik: gpg --import file
[05:00] <m4x> is anyone using dual monitors succesfully? i could use a bit of help
[05:00] <carthik> fabbione, okay. thanks a lot
[05:00] <fabbione> carthik: no problem
[05:00] <musicforme89> hey
[05:00] <CarlK> yahalom - I do have win98 boot floppys made with good ol format /s
[05:00] <musicforme89> anyone in here answering questions?
[05:01] <carthik> fabbione, can I possibly pm you? I am little shaky with all this. I would really appreciate it.
[05:01] <makisupa> Can someone give me a little help getting a USB CDRW to mount?....I feel like I'm banging my head against a wall
[05:01] <Seveas> CarlK, there are 3rd party tools for reading ext3 under ein
[05:01] <Seveas> win*
[05:01] <yahalom> CarlK, i have win98 boot cdrom, that should load up as an installer cd i would think?
[05:01] <jeroen_> makisupa, it works for me
[05:01] <othernoob> is there a difference between the restricted and universe and multiverse packages?
[05:01] <jeroen_> Philips Jackrabbit
[05:02] <makisupa> jeroen_  what /dev did it mount as?  Thanks
[05:02] <yahalom> CarlK, without reading the fs that is. just load the cd and provide me with the tools of the cd.
[05:02] <jeroen_> makisupa, it goes automatically. Shall I plug it in to check?
[05:02] <jeroen_> what make do you have? I have a Philips Jackrabbit
[05:03] <CarlK> yahalom - if your box will boot the CD, it doesn't matter what is/isn't on the drive - don't even need the drive to be there
[05:03] <makisupa> If you could...I would appreciate that
[05:03] <jeroen_> makisupa, what make do you have?
[05:03] <makisupa> Its a generic ATAPI...dont remember the man...probably I/O magic
[05:03] <musicforme89> I've downloaded the live cd, burned and run it. When loading componentes it claims theres a file missing or the integrity of my cd is compromised. Integrity check comes up clean. any help?
[05:03] <Seveas> othernoob, restricted is non-free but supported
[05:03] <Seveas> universe is free and community supported
[05:04] <yahalom> CarlK, so i'm saying if i set the first boot device to be cdrom, it should read the boot cd, right?
[05:04] <Seveas> multiverse is non-free and community supported
[05:04] <CarlK> yahalom - correct
[05:04] <gaoxing> sh ./setup
[05:04] <makisupa> jeroen_  Hoary
[05:04] <gaoxing> sh ./setup look
[05:04] <jeroen_> makisupa, I meant the USB CDRW
[05:04] <yahalom> CarlK, not so with the boot disk (floppy) ?
[05:04] <CarlK> yahalom - some boxes have trouble booting some CDs - (like they don't wait long enough for the disk to spin up)
[05:04] <henke> hmm, if a package "foo2" is made with "Replaces: foo", should I not be able to install a package that depends on "foo" if I have "foo2" installed?
[05:05] <yonil> ahhhhh somehow my keyboard got to a position where i must "repress" a key for it to appear twice ... how can i set it to normal ? (if i hold some key for a long time it only write it once...)
[05:05] <CarlK> yahalom - what about the floppy?
[05:05] <Elfir3> Seveas: I removed the old/386 version of restricted modules, now there's just k7 ones, i reinstalled every nvidia packages, and now, there isn't any nvidia module found :( ?
[05:05] <othernoob> Seveas: let's say i want a new kernel, any difference between those kernels ?
[05:05] <jeroen_> makisupa, uhh.. I just plugged it in, and.. it doesn't work! :O
[05:05] <bob2> henke: no
[05:05] <Seveas> othernoob, what do you mean?
[05:05] <bob2> henke: it would have to use Provides, too
[05:05] <yahalom> CarlK, i have boot floppy and boot cd. would the floppy also work without reading the fs?
[05:05] <Seveas> all kernels are in main (free & supported)
[05:05] <CarlK> yahalom - correct.
[05:05] <bob2> henke: replaces = replaces some of the files in in the other package
[05:06] <bob2> Seveas: not quite true, there are others in universe
[05:06] <othernoob> Seveas: there's a 2.6.10-686 kernel in restricted and universe.. are they different ?
[05:06] <makisupa> It a generic USB 2.0 24X10X40 CDRW.  I think the bios show it as an ACER something, but the box was I/0 magic I believe.  Probably the worst hardware manufacturer on the planet :)  It was a gift.
[05:06] <yahalom> CarlK, ok. thanx man. Rather not have to deal with this :(
[05:06] <henke> bob2, ahh. thank you
[05:06] <makisupa> D'oh
[05:06] <Seveas> othernoob, the packages in multiverse are merly metapackages
[05:06] <Seveas> they drag in restricted-modules too
[05:06] <Seveas> bob2, ack
[05:07] <Ligald> hello
[05:07] <yaaar> word
[05:07] <bob2> othernoob: I don't see any kernels in restricted at all
[05:07] <CarlK> yahalom - if you have trouble booting the CD, 2 options: add a few lines to your grub menu.lst that will then make grub boot the CD, or make a SBM floppy that will "boot anything" (both are handy know how to do)
[05:07] <bob2> othernoob: there are lots of kernel modules, though
[05:08] <CarlK> yahalom - but if you don't need it now, it isn't that fun, so just keep it in mind for when you do need it ;)
[05:08] <yahalom> CarlK, it boot the cd, it booted ubuntu :) what is an sbm floppy?
[05:08] <othernoob> bob2: possible that i just mixed that up
[05:08] <jeroen_> makisupa, it's not working anymore, my jackrabbit
[05:08] <yahalom> CarlK, if i change in bios to load up the cd, then i shouldnt even have to touch grub right?
[05:08] <CarlK> well, it didn't boot the CD.... Smart Boot Manager - scans your hardware, gives you a menu of boot devices and boots one
[05:09] <CarlK> yahalom - correct, but like I said, not all Boxes will boot all CD's right
[05:09] <yahalom> CarlK, is it in apt?
[05:09] <henke> bob2, I can see why people are told not to use breezy ;)
[05:09] <bob2> henke: heh
[05:09] <CarlK> yahalom - dont think so .. just a sec..
[05:09] <yahalom> CarlK, ok ;)
[05:09] <toonX> what do i need to install in order to see quick time on Ubuntu?
[05:10] <bob2> toonX: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:10] <thenuke> whoa, I typed in "apt-get --purge remove postfix"  and it removed something like anacron, at, lsb and many others :P Aren't those thing needed =)
[05:10] <toonX> bob2, k thanks
[05:11] <thotypous> hi
[05:11] <othernoob> bob2: what are the linux-image-xxxx 's ?
[05:11] <bob2> thenuke: yes, that's why apt said "REALLY do this?" before doing it
[05:11] <Seveas> thenuke, yes, and they all depend on having an MTA installed
[05:11] <CarlK> yahalom - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SmartBootManagerHowto
[05:11] <caffinated> is it possible to upgrade from the regular x86 version of hoary to the AMD64 version without having to redo the entire installation?
[05:12] <thenuke> bob2: ok, how should I remove postfix then?
[05:12] <CarlK> yahalom - the SBM floppy will give you the option of installing itself on the Hard Drive - I don't think you want that, so avoid it
[05:12] <bob2> thenuke: you shouldn't remove it
[05:12] <yahalom> CarlK, thanx mna.
[05:12] <Seveas> thenuke, you should leave it installed or install another mailserver
[05:12] <bob2> thenuke: what are you trying to acheive?
[05:13] <thenuke> bob2: I dont need it
[05:13] <yahalom> CarlK, the box i'm referring to does boot from cd, so that isnt an issue right?
[05:13] <wdh> thenuke, your system does
[05:13] <Seveas> thenuke, but anacron/at etc do need it..
[05:13] <thenuke> wdh: it does not need postfix
[05:13] <thenuke> uff
[05:13] <wdh> thenuke, it needs an MTA
[05:13] <wdh> thenuke, if you remove postfix, you should install another MTA
[05:13] <thenuke> argh.. they do send mail to my local account with it?
[05:13] <Seveas> thenuke, they do...
[05:13] <thenuke> I mean that does
[05:13] <CarlK> yahalom - yes, but it sounds like you were having trouble booting from cd
[05:14] <bob2> thenuke: yes, cron needs some way to talk to you
[05:14] <thenuke> did not come to think of that before
[05:14] <nalioth> howdy
[05:14] <littleworm> is it possible to do that when i'll write "tomer" for example it will lunch a program that i want?
[05:14] <yahalom> CarlK, no no problem. havent tried it yet. i thought i would have problems.
[05:14] <bob2> thenuke: you can install ssmtp or something if you really don't want postfix
[05:14] <thenuke> Now I wonder what I did broke with that removal of postfix :P
[05:14] <bob2> littleworm: you mean, make an alias?
[05:15] <Kumar> Hi all, what packages are on the 5.04 cd ? How much i need to dl to set up useful system (desctop, mmedia, gcc...) ?
[05:15] <bob2> thenuke: it will have uninstalled anything that cared
[05:15] <CarlK> yahalom - if you want to have total boot fun, check out http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocalNetInstall
[05:15] <thenuke> I tried apt-get install ubuntu-base to fix those :P
[05:15] <littleworm> maybe, what's an alias?
[05:15] <bob2> Kumar: it has all that stuff
[05:15] <Seveas> Kumar, you might need only things mentioned on the RestrictedFormats wikipage
[05:15] <yahalom> CarlK, l :)
[05:15] <CarlK> yahalom - the only things I boot from now are LAN, or if the box wont boot fromt he lan, a flopply that makes it boot from the lan
[05:16] <yahalom> yay i got my ubuntu cds
[05:16] <littleworm> what's an alias?
[05:16] <CarlK> and then all my "boot floppy" stuff are images on the server
[05:16] <thenuke> bob2:  hmmm.. I have removed postfix from my server too.. and I get mail from cron and such
[05:16] <bob2> thenuke: some other mta is running then
[05:17] <thenuke> bob2: can't see any :o
[05:17] <littleworm> bob2: what's an alias?
[05:17] <bob2> littleworm: nevermind
[05:17] <littleworm> so how do i do that?
[05:18] <littleworm> is it possible to do that when i'll write "tomer" in the terminal for example it will lunch a program that i want?
[05:18] <Seveas> littleworm, in a terminal: alias tomer=the_program arg1 arg2 etc
[05:18] <thenuke> bob2: http://hero.mooo.com/users/thenuke/ps_aux.txt    if you can see any MTA :)
[05:18] <littleworm> thx
[05:18] <bob2> Seveas: you need to quote that
[05:19] <martii> fabbione: are you there ?
[05:19] <bob2> thenuke: it doesn't have to be a daemon
[05:19] <fabbione> martii: i am busy right now
[05:19] <thenuke> bob2: oh
[05:19] <martii> fabbione: just short Q
[05:19] <martii> fabbione: psmouse.c problems with kernel 2.6 and KVM switch
[05:20] <Kumar> Seveas, bob2, thx
[05:20] <CarlK> martii - I have 2 kvm's - what kind of problem?
[05:20] <martii> CarlK: after I switch to another conosle
[05:20] <martii> CarlK: it complains about lost sync and mouse get's crazy
[05:21] <CarlK> martii - I have seen that.  I 'think' it is a hardware problme
[05:21] <fabbione> martii: is that amd64?
[05:21] <martii> CarlK: I think it's kernel
[05:21] <nickrud> thenuke, there's probably a better way, but in aptitude, search for mail-transport-agent. that'll tell you what's providing it
[05:21] <martii> fabbione: yep
[05:21] <fabbione> CarlK: it's both
[05:21] <fabbione> martii: i have a fix for it... 2.6.12rc5
[05:21] <martii> CarlK: SuSe has patched
[05:21] <martii> CarlK: kernel
[05:21] <martii> fabbione: ok where can I download it
[05:21] <fabbione> the problem appears with amd64 that don't have HPET support
[05:21] <fabbione> martii: tomorrow from archive.u.c
[05:22] <fabbione> i am tagging the release now :)
[05:22] <martii> fabbione: hmmm ok
[05:22] <fabbione> well also.. it come out this morning.. so i just needed a few hours to build/test it
[05:22] <theine> fabbione, do you have updated ipw2100 drivers in there as well?
[05:22] <fabbione> so don't be too impatience :)
[05:22] <martii> fabbione: so there is no Using psmouse.proto=bare in grub solution ?
[05:22] <fabbione> martii: dunno
[05:22] <fabbione> theine: yes
[05:23] <martii> fabbione: ok no problem I have USB mouse attached too and it works ok
[05:23] <theine> fabbione, great
[05:23] <martii> fabbione: problem is that it's confusing to have 2 mouses ;)
[05:23] <CarlK> fabbione, martii - do you know how to make it fail with the current hoary or breezy?
[05:23] <fabbione> CarlK: fail what?
[05:23] <CarlK> fabbione - kvm/mouse freak out
[05:23] <fabbione> no idea
[05:24] <fabbione> it works here
[05:25] <CarlK> I would offer to test, but kinda pointless if I can't get it to break with the current (unfixed)
[05:25] <fabbione> CarlK: it happens only in a few cases.. it's not constantly reproducible
[05:25] <fabbione> and it has been fixed in 2.6.12
[05:25] <CarlK> I do know the box that it has happened on recently
[05:25] <fabbione> so it's pointless to get crazy
[05:25] <CarlK> ok
[05:26] <nalioth> how are we doing today? an 18 wheeler already tried to run over me this morning....such is the life of a taxi driver
[05:28] <martii> CarlK: what do you mean by make it fail
[05:28] <martii> CarlK: it fails with 5.04 from the beggining
[05:28] <nickrud> hi, nalioth, my day begins with getting a van towed 60 miles, and hopefully fixed in time for this after noon run :)
[05:28] <slimb> nalioth not so bad :)  although i have yet to head to work
[05:29] <nalioth> nickrud: what a way to save gasoline    :P
[05:29] <CarlK> martii - it failed for me 2 times in the last few weeks, I didn't do anything but reboot the box, no problems now
[05:29] <nickrud> nalioth, har har
[05:35] <abisen> i want to try ubuntu but i am a KDE person and am not clear how kubuntu and ubuntu works... i mean should i install ubuntu and then install kbuntu or KDE on top of it
[05:35] <Seveas> abisen, you can download a kubuntu .iso too
[05:36] <slimb> kubuntu comes with KDE installed - easiest way
[05:36] <yahalom> man...i need to copy a cd with nautilus, no way?
[05:36] <abisen> Seveas, but is kubuntu is as stable as ubuntu ...
[05:36] <martii> CarlK: it fails me everytime
[05:36] <martii> CarlK: I can't work
[05:36] <norrbaggen> hi I managed to create a root owner directory and file on my desktop, how do I remove the directry? /ubuntu linux noob
[05:36] <yahalom> abisen, yes but kde not as stable as gnome
[05:36] <martii> CarlK: it might be because it's amd64
[05:36] <Seveas> abisen, no idea, i use plain ubuntu :)
[05:36] <Seveas> norrbaggen, use sudo rm
[05:36] <martii> fabbione: I must say ubuntu has very nice support :)
[05:36] <abisen> Seveas, can i install KDE packages in ubuntu
[05:37] <CarlK> martii, kvm to the box, power cycle the box, let it boot - still doesn't work?
[05:37] <Seveas> abisen, yes
[05:37] <martii> CarlK: it's server
[05:37] <nalioth> abisen: there is nothing strange about ubuntu/kubuntu
[05:37] <martii> CarlK: I can't reboot it every time I want to do something
[05:37] <nalioth> abisen: kubuntu is just KDE on top of ubuntu
[05:37] <Seveas> nalioth, not quite
[05:37] <norrbaggen> how do i delete directories?
[05:38] <martii> norrbaggen: rm -rf
[05:38] <Seveas> norrbaggen, sudo rm -rf in your case, or sudo rmdir if the directory is empty
[05:38] <nalioth> Seveas: you mean since i installed kubuntu-desktop, i'm not running ubuntu any more?
[05:38] <CarlK> martii - nm - sounds like to morrow the fix will be avalible
[05:38] <norrbaggen> thanks :)
[05:38] <norrbaggen> nice community
[05:38] <Seveas> nalioth, ubuntu is the complete system, includeing gnome and gnome-centered tools
[05:38] <martii> fabbione: is there any ubuntu-devel channel ?
[05:38] <CarlK> martii - besides, you should't be running X on a server ;)
[05:38] <martii> CarlK: why not ?
[05:38] <Seveas> i would say that kubuntu is a kde-centered version of ubuntu
[05:39] <abisen> nalioth, so it's not gonna screw up my distro if i install ubuntu and then also install KDE instead of going with kubuntu ... somehow the idead of going with kubuntu seems scary
[05:39] <martii> CarlK: it's backup server 90% of time it's idle
[05:39] <fabbione> martii: yes there is
[05:39] <Seveas> abisen, it won't screw up
[05:39] <norrbaggen> anyone got mmc/sd card read adapter to work?
[05:39] <martii> fabbione: #ubuntu-devel ?
[05:39] <nalioth> Seveas: yes, and when you install kubuntu-desktop, its the same as if you went out and got KDEbase and other support debs..
[05:39] <fabbione> martii: but #ubuntu-devel is more like.. there is this bug and i have this patch to fix it :)
[05:39] <CarlK> martii - there are people who say it is less secure, takes more resources, bla bla bla... personal choice really
[05:39] <fabbione> martii: yeps
[05:39] <Seveas> you can install ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, xfce, etc... all at the same time
[05:39] <martii> fabbione: ok
[05:39] <nalioth> Seveas: it is still ubuntu, just with KDE
[05:40] <nalioth> Seveas: yes, i have multiple WMs
[05:40] <Seveas> nalioth, i know
[05:40] <martii> fabbione: I have no patches ;) but usually find bugs ;)
[05:40] <Seveas> i have that tpoo
[05:40] <Seveas> too*
[05:40] <nalioth> abisen: you will have no trouble
[05:40] <abisen> thanks everybody ... this is a nice community ... actually taking pains on answering my nontechnical... concerns :)
[05:40] <fabbione> martii: well report them :) bugzilla.u.c is your friend really...
[05:40] <Seveas> but you seriously misunderstand the diff. between ubuntu and kubuntu
[05:40] <martii> fabbione: I will
[05:40] <abisen> nalioth, i am going ahead with installing ubuntu
[05:40] <fabbione> martii: reporting bugs on irc it's not always a good idea :)
[05:41] <martii> fabbione: I think that I will support ubuntu more and more
[05:41] <martii> fabbione: I like the way it's done
[05:41] <nalioth> Seveas: what is the diff? i was understanding that kubuntu was basically KDE on top of ubuntu
[05:41] <martii> fabbione: BTW it's debian compatibile so
[05:41] <fabbione> martii: glad to have you on board
[05:42] <nalioth> abisen, great!
[05:42] <Seveas> nalioth, well, it isn't: as i said, if you install from a kubuntu cd you get lots of things a standard ubuntu install does not have. And you don't get lots of things a standard ubuntu install has. So it's not KDE on top of ubuntu, but a KDE-centered version of ubuntu
[05:42] <nickrud> nalioth, gnome (which is 'official' ubuntu) is in main, which means it gets canonical support; kde is in universe, which means it may or may not
[05:42] <Seveas> the difference is subtle
[05:42] <Seveas> kde is in main.
[05:43] <Seveas> well, kubuntu-desktop is in main
[05:44] <nalioth> Seveas: i was not aware there was a "kubuntu install cd"
[05:45] <Seveas> nalioth, there is, see www.kubuntu.org
[05:45] <nalioth> Seveas: which is why i am of the thought that kubuntu is 'on top' of ubuntu (as it is on most everyone who installs from an ubuntu install cd)
[05:46] <lotusleaf> sounds kinky
[05:46] <Katupoika> what program use to burn ubuntu?
[05:46] <jeroen_> Katupoika, what OS do you run currently?
[05:47] <Katupoika> jeroen_ you mean like windows?
[05:47] <webmind> windows isn't an OS
[05:47] <webmind> :)
[05:47] <Katupoika> :D
[05:47] <Katupoika> hmm wait a sec
[05:48] <lotusleaf> wintendo
[05:48] <webmind> it's a tool to look through walls
[05:48] <webmind> or present data to a user :)
[05:48] <webmind> hm
[05:48] <webmind> sorry :)
[05:48] <jeroen_> It is an OS, don't be stupid
[05:48] <Seveas> Katupoika, if you tun windows, you can burn with http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm
[05:48] <webmind> jeroen_, isn't it a widget ?
[05:48] <yonil> ahhhhh somehow my keyboard got to a position where i must "repress" a key for it to appear twice ... how can i set it to normal ? (if i hold some key for a long time it only write it once...)
[05:50] <CarlK> yonil - try unplgging the keyborad
[05:52] <Lafitte--> hello everyone
[05:53] <jeroen_> yonil, that's normal
[05:53] <jeroen_> try pressing ' and then e; you'll understand
[05:53] <martii> fabbione: I used www.pld-linux.org before
[05:53] <Elfir3> Seveas : i tried to uninstall, reinstall nvidia drivers, restricted modules, for 386 k7, but still no module found ... dont know what to do next ..
[05:53] <jeroen_> Lafitte--, hi
[05:53] <martii> fabbione: but people there don't like to help
[05:54] <fabbione> martii: i know them
[05:54] <Seveas> Elfir3, what do you mean with "no mudule found"?
[05:54] <martii> CarlK: of course more services is less secure
[05:54] <Elfir3> no module found... cant find nvidia module
[05:54] <Seveas> when does it say that?
[05:54] <martii> CarlK: but it's our internal machine so
[05:55] <Elfir3> after trying to run gdm
[05:55] <Katupoika> tell me a program to burn *.iso files in the windows
[05:55] <martii> CarlK: nothing to worry about
[05:55] <martii> fabbione: where do you know them from ?
[05:55] <CarlK> martii - I know.. thats why I ;) and bla bla bla about it
[05:55] <martii> fabbione: PLD is nice when you are full time Linux admin
[05:55] <Seveas> Elfir3, can you paste the output of dpkg -l linux* on ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[05:56] <martii> fabbione: and can repair broken packages over and over
[05:56] <snowseal> can i enter the WEP key i hex-format with % seperators?
[05:56] <Elfir3> ok wait...
[05:56] <fabbione> martii: their IPv6 work
[05:56] <CarlosRC> hello
[05:56] <martii> fabbione: but not for IT manager that has some more to so than watching logs
[05:56] <martii> fabbione: Oh yes, Arekm did plenty of them
[05:56] <phenotype> is there something in synaptic for dvd playback? or do i have to look elsewhere
[05:56] <martii> fabbione: ipv6 patches
[05:57] <jeroen_> phenotype, libdvdcss?
[05:57] <fabbione> martii: yeah i used quite a lot of them
[05:57] <kent> Is not this a bit strange? What laptop has 223 mb of ram?  -> http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/?xml=7a5c57dbf5b6a1bfc1f82e8643701d54
[05:57] <martii> fabbione: in fact I helped them to make ppc port
[05:57] <martii> fabbione: even run PLD now on 2 machines
[05:57] <fabbione> ehehe
[05:57] <phenotype> jeroen, i just have totem
[05:57] <martii> fabbione: Ubuntu on backup server
[05:57] <ogra> kent, how much ram do you hve in your machine ?
[05:57] <martii> fabbione: and Ubuntu on workstation
[05:57] <tsw> kent: gpu shares ram
[05:58] <fabbione> martii: nice :)
[05:58] <snowseal> my wifi card gets the ssid from my router, but wont get dhcp info. its probably the wep key. can i use the %34%8D%93-hex-type format?
[05:58] <ogra> kent, compare that to "cat /proc/meminfo"
[05:58] <srid> how to 'apt-cache search' only not-installed packages?
[05:58] <kent> ogra, tsw ah. I never thought about the shared ram. Thanks for correcting my stupidity :)
[05:58] <ogra> kent, thats what hwdb reads
[05:58] <martii> fabbione: it might be that I'll install ubuntu on Lapotp
[05:58] <martii> fabbione: as I can see that you try to support laptops
[05:58] <ogra> kent, nah, not stupidity, common error ;)
[05:58] <Seveas> snowseal, no
[05:58] <lotusleaf> kent, what did you do with that house full of popcorn?
[05:59] <srid> how to 'apt-cache search' only not-installed packages?
[05:59] <Seveas> srid, use aptitude search :)
[05:59] <snowseal> Seveas i wonder why i dont reveive anything with my wifi card.
[05:59] <nalioth> srid: or synaptic
[05:59] <Seveas> you can grep -v away the installed ones then (iirc)
[05:59] <kent> lotusleaf, well, if I had a house full of popcorn, I would start selling it to kids for a small fee ;)  But I never had one :(
[06:00] <srid> SeamusLP, nalioth  .. command line tools preferred (not ncurses too)
[06:00] <lotusleaf> kent, you mean you've never seen the movie 'Real Genius?' for shame.
[06:00] <martii> fabbione: PLD does work well for full time admins
[06:00] <Seveas> snowseal, you cannot use the %xx hex format for key
[06:00] <Seveas> see man iwconfig
[06:00] <fabbione> martii: yes i got that :)
[06:00] <martii> fabbione: but not for common people ;)
[06:00] <kent> lotusleaf, nope, sorry. I have to look that up on imdb.
[06:00] <lotusleaf> kent, every good geek should watch it ;-)
[06:00] <snowseal> thanx
[06:02] <Elfir3> Seveas : http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/289541
[06:02] <Fackamato> Why doesn't ubuntu support mosues with two buttons?
[06:02] <Fackamato> Pressing LMB and RMB at the same times does nothing in quake3.
[06:02] <Fackamato> Something is severly fucked in the x config or something.
[06:02] <\sh> Fackamato: cause quake is not recognizing it under X? X itself has Emulate3Buttons
[06:03] <Fackamato> what is emulate3buttons?
[06:03] <Fackamato> I have a 3 button mouse (lmm, rmb and wheel)
[06:04] <\sh> so ur 3. button is normally the wheel when u click on it
[06:04] <\sh> up and down wheel == buttons 4 5
[06:04] <IIIEars> use two buttons at one time as a "chord" to make the machine see two buttons as a third mouse button
[06:04] <Fackamato> but why can't i railjump in quake3?
[06:04] <srid> i need light weight terminal like xterm, but with tabbed support like gnome-terminal
[06:04] <Fackamato> rightclick + fast leftclick = nothingh
[06:04] <Fackamato> does absolutely nothing
[06:05] <isai> helo
[06:05] <zeven> algun espaol
[06:05] <\sh> Fackamato: sorry, I don't know quake3 and there r some config settings in quake3 which doesn't have anything to do with X
[06:05] <benkong2> how can I have gaim start when I log onto my system?
[06:05] <IIIEars> #ubuntu-es?
[06:05] <isai> zeven: hola?
[06:05] <zeven> hola
[06:05] <kent> lotusleaf, found that movie on bittorrent.  I will watch it tonight :)
[06:05] <zeven> ke pasa eske no se usaar esto
[06:06] <isai> zeven: bosque?
[06:06] <snowseal> Seveas thanx for pointing the iwconfig tool to my attention. trying..
[06:06] <zeven> esto es de gente en ingles
[06:06] <isai> zeven: si, trata /join #ubuntu-es si hay uno
[06:06] <zeven> porke es la primera vez ke toco este programa
[06:06] <IIIEars> si nuestors conoces sola unas pocas palabras aqui
[06:07] <isai> what is the best way to install the java sdk? should I just download it from the sun website.
[06:07] <zeven> perdon no me enterado de naaaa
[06:07] <jeroen_> isai, no, use apt-get
[06:07] <isai> apt-get what?
[06:07] <isai> apt-get install java-sdk?
[06:08] <IIIEars> que es usted preguntas?
[06:09] <CarlosRC> someone can help a noob plese?
[06:09] <snader> just ask your question :)
[06:09] <nickrud> isai, serios.net/content/debian/java/with-java-package.php has good instructions for installing sun's java
[06:09] <IIIEars> No need to ask of course we'll try. - a lot of really smart people here and newbs too like us.
[06:10] <isai> thanks, will check.
[06:10] <Elfir3> does god exists :)
[06:10] <jeroen_> Elfir3, until he shows up so that everybody can objectively see him; no
[06:10] <Mojo_Jojo> whats the difference between ubuntu and kbuntu ?
[06:10] <jeroen_> kubuntu is geared towards KDE
[06:10] <snader> i didn't really mean that question ;-)
[06:10] <Elfir3> jeroen_ : :p
[06:11] <IIIEars> mojo_jojo - the Deesktop in Ubuntu is Gnome and Kubuntu is KDE
[06:12] <Mojo_Jojo> ohh, can I change ubuntu to use KDE?
[06:12] <IIIEars> Gnome is a bit more responsive on some machines not a huge difference between them. Try them both and see what you like.
[06:13] <IIIEars> Mojo - You sure can
[06:14] <feclare> hi
[06:14] <feclare> i'm having problems installing hoary in a laptop
[06:14] <Mojo_Jojo> I've been using knoppix with KDE for over a year. Im getting a distro for my buddy.
[06:14] <feclare> it didnt detect my cdrom
[06:14] <IIIEars> Though honestly i have never personally converted one to the other. I have tried both CDs Kubuntu and Ubuntu.
[06:14] <feclare> in the installation
[06:15] <snowseal> yay it works
[06:15] <Mojo_Jojo> congratulations snowseal
[06:15] <CarlosRC> how can I config the system to load all the running modules at boot time? (don't load unused modules and load necessary modules)
[06:15] <snowseal> thanx for the support in here.
[06:15] <yaaar> anybody know why i can't add extensions or search engines in firefox? i've run it as root and everything....
[06:15] <IIIEars> Congratulations snowseal
[06:15] <yaaar> i'd really like to have chatzilla
[06:15] <snowseal> weird, the gui confgurator soesnt seem to work for me.
[06:16] <tombs> hi ppl
[06:16] <Lafitte--> yaaar,  you need version 1.04  to use the extensions
[06:17] <Elfir3> Seveas dead ?
[06:17] <yaaar> Lafitte--: i've got the repositories from ubuntuguide.org, and i've been running updates regularly....shouldn't I have that version?
[06:17] <feclare> any idea?
[06:17] <Lafitte--> yaaar,  which your version is correct   but ubuntu has  version error    ill get you a work arond
[06:18] <yaaar> oic
[06:18] <snader> CarlosRC: you can put modules you want to load in /etc/modules, one per line
[06:18] <Lafitte--> yaaar, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10681
[06:18] <yaaar> cool thnaks
[06:19] <we2by> how do I know what dvd writing speed my dvd burner have?
[06:19] <CarlosRC> thanks snader :)
[06:20] <Lafitte--> yaaar,  i just install 1.04 from the web   works fine
[06:20] <nazca-> 
[06:20] <snader> CarlosRC: i'm not sure about how to stop modules from being loaded though
[06:20] <snader> someone else perhaps :)
[06:21] <Elfir3> think you have to put them in the blacklist
[06:21] <snader> yes
[06:21] <snader> what blacklist :X
[06:21] <Lafitte--> yaaar, Setting general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4 in about:config seems to let me
[06:21] <Lafitte--> access addons.mozilla.org
[06:21] <Lafitte--> where is about:config
[06:22] <msch> hallo
[06:22] <Elfir3> snader : dont remember/find the path :)
[06:23] <jeroen_> Lafitte--, type it in your address bar
[06:23] <snader> well there's a blacklist in /etc/hotplug
[06:23] <kahuna_> Can anyone suggest a decent todo list/task manager besides the one that comes with evolution?
[06:23] <snader> but i'm not sure if that's it
[06:24] <kart_>  kahuna_: planner
[06:24] <kahuna_> you mean emacs planner?
[06:24] <kart_> ya
[06:25] <kahuna_> I haven't considered it. Maybe I'll give it a shot.
[06:25] <kahuna_> I prefer vi myself but emacs has tons 'o features.
[06:25] <kart_> emacs is great!
[06:26] <Elfir3> the best one ^^
[06:26] <kahuna_> Hmm. There's imendio planner too.
[06:26] <Lafitte--> sweet   that works :)
[06:26] <Latis-WorX> I love ubuntu :)
[06:26] <Latis-WorX> the updatesystem seems to work nive
[06:26] <Latis-WorX> nice
[06:26] <Latis-WorX> its stable and really nice to work with :)
[06:27] <CrustyPunk> 'Lo
[06:27] <kahuna_> I didn't know you could use Gaim for IRC.
[06:27] <Strife> yes you can
[06:27] <Strife> it kinda sucks though
[06:27] <Elfir3> kahuna_ : for almost every chat protocols i think
[06:28] <IIIEars> it has spell checking
[06:28] <CrustyPunk> I'm having trouble actually logging in to Ubuntu
[06:28] <kahuna_> I use xchat and irssi
[06:28] <IIIEars> czecking?
[06:28] <Elfir3> BitchX cause i've problems with nvidia drivers :p
[06:28] <Strife> weird
[06:28] <Strife> doesn't cause problems for me
[06:28] <kahuna_> CrustyPunk, did you forget your password?
[06:29] <kahuna_> irssi > BitchX
[06:29] <Elfir3> didnt know
[06:29] <CrustyPunk> Nope. Nothing stupidity related. Well, probably stupidity related but not that absent-minded. =P
[06:29] <FarrisG> Ok, why does the 5.0 live CD run through d-i style menus at boot? Was this necessary?
[06:30] <CrustyPunk> When I start up Ubunu, it puts me into a console login. When I login and do startx, it can't start up the GUI. It gets the mouse up, and a blank grey screen as well as a console in the upper left hand corenr
[06:30] <kahuna_> That's probably TWM
[06:30] <kahuna_> What happens when you right clock the grey screen CrustyPunk
[06:30] <FiReWoRkS> hi... i have two other partitions besides the one with ubuntu installed, how do i access them with ubuntu?
[06:30] <kahuna_> s/clock/click
[06:31] <CrustyPunk> Nothing at all
[06:31] <Strife> FiReWoRkS: ubuntu should detect them automatically...
[06:31] <beginner> does unbuntu have excell?
[06:31] <Strife> but if not, you use the
[06:31] <Strife> 'mount' command
[06:31] <kahuna_> What window manager do you wish to use?
[06:31] <Strife> beginner: it has openoffice, which has an excel-like program
[06:31] <kahuna_> beginner, no.
[06:31] <Elfir3> try man mount
[06:31] <CrustyPunk> I'm currenrly using Gnome
[06:31] <FiReWoRkS> Strife, where can I see if it has been detected?
[06:32] <Strife> FiReWoRkS: if you're in GNOME, the other partitions should appear on your desktop
[06:32] <kahuna_> CrustyPunk, Hmm... Not using GDM? What does your .xinitrc look like?
[06:32] <beginner> si does it have?
[06:32] <Elfir3> FiReWoRkS : but if not, use mount to access them (man mount)
[06:32] <beginner> or witch is the similar program?
[06:32] <snader> beginner: http://www.openoffice.org/product/calc.html
[06:32] <CrustyPunk> Err, I thought I was using gnome, but my other partitions have never been on my desktop
[06:33] <CrustyPunk> Maybe it is GDM?
[06:33] <beginner> k
[06:33] <Elfir3> FiReWoRkS : what file system on you partitions ?
[06:33] <FiReWoRkS> fat32 one and ntfs the other
[06:33] <FiReWoRkS> there is nothing on the desktop
[06:33] <Strife> hmm, those should be autodetected
[06:33] <FiReWoRkS> just my cd drive
[06:33] <Strife> well you need to use mount then
[06:33] <Strife> check /etc/fstab to see if there are entries for the other partitions
[06:34] <FiReWoRkS> ok
[06:34] <Gotham> can someone help me with a weird problem....I just installed ubuntu on a compaq laptop, but the screen is really "dark"....basically the laptop is getting power but the OS is not recognizing that and it assumes im running on battery and therefore is running on 'low power' settings
[06:34] <chris> Is the ubuntu way to compile a kernel the same as the debian way?
[06:34] <kahuna_> CrustyPunk, If you went through the default install process you should have a graphical login window that has gnome as the default. Am I correct when I assume that you have a text based login prompt?
[06:35] <FiReWoRkS> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[06:35] <FiReWoRkS> /dev/hda3       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[06:35] <FiReWoRkS> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[06:35] <FiReWoRkS> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[06:35] <FiReWoRkS> that's what is in there...
[06:35] <CrustyPunk> I've always had a graphical login window, until now
[06:35] <Strife> FiReWoRkS: so no, there are no other entries...
[06:35] <FiReWoRkS> hm
[06:35] <FiReWoRkS> i'll have to mount?
[06:35] <Strife> I would assume that your other partitions are /dev/hda1 and /dev/hda2
[06:35] <Strife> FiReWoRkS: are they all on the same hard drive?
[06:35] <FiReWoRkS> yes they are
[06:35] <Elfir3> yes, but you can add them in fstab for easier access
[06:35] <FiReWoRkS> hmmm
[06:35] <beginner> snader how i 'll install it?>
[06:36] <FiReWoRkS> how do i do that Elfir3  ?
[06:36] <mbd> Is there is a program in linux to produce Flash Movies (GPL)
[06:36] <kahuna_> CrustyPunk, what happens when you try to start /etc/init.d/gdm manually?
[06:37] <CrustyPunk> Haven't tried. What should it do?
[06:37] <Elfir3> use sudo fdisk -l to see what are the remaining partitions, then add them in the fstab with gedit
[06:37] <kahuna_> Bring up gdm (your graphical login)
[06:37] <CrustyPunk> Kind of another way of doing startx?
[06:37] <snader> beginner: it will be installed by default
[06:37] <snader> are you running ubuntu now?
[06:38] <beginner> yes
[06:38] <chris> If I download linux-source-2.6.10 and kernel-package, can I then just configure the kernel the way I like it, and the use kernel-package to build the kernel?
[06:38] <FiReWoRkS> ok Elfir3
[06:38] <Strife> Firetech: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html
[06:38] <Strife> oops
[06:38] <kahuna_> CrustyPunk, If you want to think about it that way. GDM automatically starts X and manages X sessions for you
[06:38] <Strife> FiReWoRkS: that link was for you
[06:38] <Elfir3> use the options user to let them accessed by users, auto to be mount at system startup
[06:38] <FiReWoRkS> ok
[06:38] <beginner> snader
[06:38] <FiReWoRkS> thanks Strife
[06:38] <FiReWoRkS> =)
[06:38] <Strife> no problem
[06:38] <othernoob> what's the difference between linux-image-**** and linux-**** ?
[06:39] <Firetech> a lot
[06:39] <mbd> :) hallo guys , anyone know .. ?
[06:39] <Elfir3> :D
[06:39] <snader> beginner: it's somewhere in the menu, but if you can't find it you can start a console and type "openoffice &"
[06:39] <Strife> uh, .. is the directory one level above
[06:39] <Strife> heh
[06:39] <Firetech> othernoob: linux-image-* is just the kernel image. linux-* is the rest of it, addons, you might say.
[06:39] <mbd> if there is program to produce Flash Movies (GPL) In Ubuntu ?
[06:39] <beginner> snader what is the name of it in the menu?
[06:40] <Elfir3> Strife : faster than I :p
[06:40] <snader> beginner: i don't know, i don't use it myself
[06:40] <CrustyPunk> kahuna_: ah.
[06:40] <snader> beginner: i mean i don't use the default desktop
[06:40] <othernoob> Firetech: so if i only get the linux-image it should just run fine ?
[06:41] <CrustyPunk> Be right back
[06:41] <CrustyPunk> I'm gonna try loading gdm the way you told me
[06:41] <beginner> snader found it
[06:41] <littleworm> how do i configure imwheel?
[06:41] <snader> okay, if you don't see something that looks like excel now do file, new, spreadsheet
[06:42] <snader> gtg now
[06:42] <snader> have fun, bye :)
[06:42] <mbd> :?
[06:42] <littleworm> how do i configure imwheel?
[06:42] <Firetech> othernoob: yes, but nvidia and fglrx drivers won't work witout linux-restricted-modules...
[06:43] <Firetech> while you're at it, it might be good to get linux-headers too.
[06:43] <Elfir3> Firetech even with in some cases :'(
[06:43] <IIIEars> Firetech + build-essentials a;so?
[06:44] <othernoob> Firetech: what are the headers for ?
[06:44] <Firetech> IIIEars: only if you want to compile stuff
[06:44] <IIIEars> ah- thank you
[06:44] <littleworm> how do i configure imwheel?
[06:45] <Firetech> othernoob: if other installations need the kernel-headers. Mostly it's third party modules, but it's good to have them.
[06:46] <othernoob> Firetech: okay..mmh.. there's no restricted-module for the linux-image-2.6.11.1-686smp
[06:46] <Firetech> you should NOT use 2.6.11
[06:46] <int21h> anyone here use Evolution -> Exchange via IMAP ?
[06:46] <Firetech> it kernel panics all the time.
[06:47] <othernoob> Firetech: heh..must be an ubuntu thing with the 2.6.11 :/
[06:47] <Firetech> atleast ubuntu's 2.6.11
[06:48] <othernoob> yea thats what i meant
[06:48] <Firetech> yes
[06:48] <othernoob> had no probs with it on fc3
[06:48] <Firetech> 2.6.10 is fine
[06:48] <Firetech> you could try downloading sources from kernel.org and compiling them, but I recommend stickning with 2.6.10
[06:49] <othernoob> okay. so i get the linux-image2.6.10.5, the restricted modules2.6.10.5 and the corresponding headers , right ?
[06:49] <Firetech> I run a custom 2.6.10 kernel myself.
[06:49] <Tallia1> what could you tell me about this error!? andrea@taglia:~/Downloads/Installare$ qtrans qtrans: error while loading shared libraries: libkhtml.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:49] <Firetech> othernoob: that is correct.
[06:51] <othernoob> Firetech: there's a linux-image-686 without the version in the filename, what's that ?
[06:51] <Seveas> othernoob, a meta package
[06:51] <Firetech> it's just a meta package linking to the latest stable kernel
[06:52] <othernoob> okay.
[06:52] <Firetech> right now: 2.6.10-5-686 for linux-image-686
[06:52] <othernoob> should i get the linux-patch-ubuntu 2.6.10 too ?
[06:53] <guest1_> sei italiana
[06:53] <Firetech> othernoob: it's already applied to the linux-image package
[06:53] <JuniorZ_> how to install VMWARE ?
[06:54] <guest1_> im recchia di ciacco (sergio
[06:54] <guest1_> pietrosantik
[06:54] <Tallia1> ciaooo
[06:54] <JuniorZ_> how to install VMWARE ? please
[06:54] <Firetech> JuniorZ_: there came a perfect guide in the forums today
[06:54] <guest1_> vuoi eshsere la mia dolce meta recchia
[06:55] <othernoob> Firetech. okay, thanks :)
[06:55] <JuniorZ_> Firetech forum from English, Dutch, German or French ?
[06:56] <Fackamato> What is logical volume management?
[06:56] <Firetech> JuniorZ_: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36873
[06:56] <kpanic> hey people, I have installed hoary but can't install mysql-server because             Depends: libdbi-perl but it is not installable
[06:56] <kpanic>                     Depends: gawk but it is not installable
[06:56] <JuniorZ_> Firetech thankyou very much ! :] 
[06:57] <kpanic> any clues? am I missing some source list?
[06:57] <Shufla> hello. fck! qemu package in ubuntu is _broken_ :(
[06:57] <Seveas> kpanic, are you using non-official repositories?
[06:57] <mathmatt> i just installed winxp after ubuntu.  I have grub working, but how do I add XP to grub?  I'm confused about hdxx stuff.  Windows is installed at hda2
[06:57] <Seveas> mathmatt, you need to add a menu entry to /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:57] <kpanic> Seveas, the italian mirror it.archive.ubuntu.com
[06:57] <Shufla> mathmatt: (hd0,1)
[06:58] <mathmatt> Shufla, thanks, why hd0,1? What does that mean?
[06:58] <kpanic> Seveas, maybe I should try the official mirror?
[06:58] <Seveas> hd0,1 is grub notation for hda2
[06:58] <Seveas> title           Windows
[06:58] <Seveas> root            (hd0,1)
[06:58] <Seveas> savedefault
[06:58] <Seveas> makeactive
[06:58] <Seveas> chainloader     +1
[06:58] <Shufla> mathmatt: it's grub disk numbering. 0 - first disk, 1 - second partition
[06:58] <Seveas> that's your menu entry
[06:59] <Seveas> kpanic, it.archive.ubuntu.com is an official one
[06:59] <Seveas> kpanic, can you paste your sources.list on ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[06:59] <kpanic> Seveas, yeah
[06:59] <mathmatt> Shufla, thank so much!  BTW, i found adding a xp partition to Ubuntu to be quite easy using parted->resize
[06:59] <Shufla> hahaha :>:> i'm going to install hurd
[07:00] <Tallia1> hey guys, have you any idea of where i can find libkfile?!
[07:01] <littleworm> i have a logitech mx510 mouse, how do i make all the buttons to work
[07:01] <snowseal> whats a fxp prog for ubuntu
[07:01] <Seveas> snowseal, gftp?
[07:01] <Jimbob> Tallia1: "sudo apt-get install apt-file" and then "apt-file search libkfile" will tell you what package contains libkfile
[07:01] <snowseal> k
[07:02] <Shufla> before apt-file update
[07:02] <littleworm> i have a logitech mx510 mouse, how do i make all the buttons to work?
[07:02] <Tallia1> tnx!!
[07:02] <kpanic> Seveas, maybe I found the problem. there wasn't restricted...
[07:02] <kpanic> Seveas, ok got it
[07:02] <kpanic> Seveas, it was that
[07:02] <Seveas> nice :)
[07:03] <kpanic> Seveas, thanks, you were my illumination ;)
[07:03] <Seveas> hehe
[07:03] <Tallia1> Jimbob: no results...
[07:03] <Shufla> arghhh. where is the place to submit bugs for universe? on launchpad? cos MOTU wiki on ubuntusite is not well organized.
[07:03] <CrustyPunk> Guestion
[07:03] <HrdwrBoB> littleworm: there's a howto around
[07:03] <Tallia1> Jimbob: with apt-file too
[07:04] <littleworm> i couldn't find one
[07:04] <Burgundavia> Shufla, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[07:04] <CrustyPunk> How does one run gdm from a console? I tried going to /etc/init.d/ and typing gdm but it didn't work. </nubbishness>
[07:04] <Shufla> Burgundavia: thanks!
[07:04] <Shufla> CrustyPunk: what did it say?
[07:04] <Seveas>  /etc/init.d/gdm start
[07:04] <Seveas> or simply startx
[07:05] <CrustyPunk> It told me that it wasn't q command, same if doing gdm start
[07:05] <kahuna_> but startx is not the equivalent of starting GD<
[07:05] <pfp> CrustyPunk: current dir is not in your $PATH for security reasons, so ./gdm
[07:05] <CrustyPunk> And StartX isn't working right, I'm trying to get around startx =x
[07:05] <Shufla> CrustyPunk: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[07:05] <littleworm> never mind
[07:05] <kahuna_> Did you do the default install of ubuntu?
[07:05] <Seveas> CrustyPunk, running "gdm" from /etc/init.d will not work
[07:05] <kahuna_> GDM *should* start automatically
[07:06] <CrustyPunk> Yeah, I know it should... but it won't. =o
[07:06] <CrustyPunk> last night, it just stopped starting automatically
[07:06] <kahuna_> Can anyone reccomend a good online vendor for rackmount systems that don't have windows pre-installed?
[07:06] <CrustyPunk> Right after I uninstalled Totem and gXine
[07:07] <Shufla> yeaaaa :D
[07:07] <Jimbob> Tallia1: Try running "sudo apt-file update" and then searching
[07:07] <Shufla> i'm going to kill my home machine :D
[07:08] <CrustyPunk> I'm trying to avoing reinstalling D=
[07:08] <RuffianSoldier> Any USB Wifi Adapters that work with Ubuntu?  Seems like all there is is PCI :(
[07:08] <kahuna_> if you uninstall totem with apt-get remove you'll also get rid of ubuntu-desktop
[07:08] <CrustyPunk> Hmm
[07:08] <IIIEars> Shufla don't kill your perfectly good computer. - let me fedex you two leaky kitty cats.
[07:08] <kahuna_> which is probably why you're having those problems
[07:08] <Shufla> IIIEars: but i am not able to install Hurd on them :D
[07:08] <CrustyPunk> That seems to be a silly thing to have happen.
[07:08] <kahuna_>  sudo apt-get -s remove totem
[07:08] <kahuna_> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[07:08] <kahuna_>   totem ubuntu-desktop
[07:08] <Tallia1> Jimbob: nothing
[07:09] <nalioth> kahuna_: Apple?
[07:09] <Shufla> do not worry about kubuntu desktop
[07:09] <CrustyPunk> Is there any way to fix without a reinstall?
[07:09] <Jimbob> kahuna_: But gdm will not be removed, just the ubuntu-desktop package.
[07:09] <Jimbob> CrustyPunk: Yes, there is always a way
[07:09] <slimb> ubuntu desktop is mainly a placeholder - not gonna hurt you if it gets removed
[07:09] <RuffianSoldier> Any USB wifi adapters work with Ubuntu?
[07:09] <Jimbob> CrustyPunk: What happens when you run "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start"
[07:09] <Jimbob> Tallia1: Guess nothing in ubuntu provides libkfile then...
[07:09] <CrustyPunk> Jimbob: it tells me it's not a command
[07:09] <Tallia1> mhhh shit
[07:09] <Jimbob> CrustyPunk: What does "ls -la /etc/init.d/gdm" say
[07:09] <Shufla> CrustyPunk: dpkg -l | grep -i gdm
[07:10] <Tallia1> Jimbob: tnx
[07:10] <CrustyPunk> Well...
[07:10] <kahuna_> Then you removed GDM :)
[07:11] <kahuna_> somehow...
[07:11] <CrustyPunk> =o
[07:11] <CrustyPunk> dpkg -l | grep -i gdm
[07:11] <CrustyPunk> Will that dpkg gdm?
[07:11] <RuffianSoldier> Any USB wifi adapters work with Ubuntu?
[07:11] <Seveas> no CrustyPunk
[07:11] <Jimbob> CrustyPunk: No, that's a (horribly inefficient) way of searching if gdm is installed
[07:11] <Seveas> it will show you whether you have it :)
[07:11] <slimb> youur listing packages with that Crusty
[07:12] <kahuna_> dpkg -l means list
[07:12] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: netgear ma-111, version 1
[07:12] <Seveas> CrustyPunk, dpkg -l *gdm*
[07:12] <Seveas> that's better
[07:12] <CrustyPunk> Ah
[07:12] <RuffianSoldier> ty bob2
[07:12] <bob2> cafuego_: I replied, you'd changed nicks
[07:12] <CrustyPunk> So, kahuna_: I somehow got rid of gdm?
[07:12] <Shufla> Seveas: it will show him gdm even if its not installed...
[07:12] <Shadow`AxC> Hi, is it true that ubuntu support windowns programs ?
[07:12] <RuffianSoldier> meh
[07:12] <RuffianSoldier> i need something with a cored
[07:12] <RuffianSoldier> this room is strange
[07:12] <CrustyPunk> Is it possible to apt-get install gdm?
[07:12] <Shadow`AxC> windows*
[07:12] <bob2> Shadow`AxC: you can run some under, wine, yes
[07:12] <RuffianSoldier> it only picks up the signal in cirtain places
[07:12] <Jimbob> CrustyPunk: Yes
[07:13] <Ali_Baba> hello,does anybody know how i get php5 to work with mysql?
[07:13] <bob2> Shadow`AxC: but that's possible on any linux distribution
[07:13] <Seveas> CrustyPunk, sure
[07:13] <Seveas> try it :)
[07:13] <CrustyPunk> Awesome
[07:13] <bob2> CrustyPunk: sure, it's installed by default
[07:13] <nalioth> later
[07:13] <CrustyPunk> Thanks, guys. I'll be back; either from mIRC or Xchat
[07:13] <Ali_Baba> its not supported automatically,i think.
[07:13] <kahuna_> I'm new to debian based distros but I think you might have somehow removed the dependencies along with totem and gxine
[07:14] <bob2> Ali_Baba: gdm? it is indeed.
[07:14] <Seveas> kahuna_, but gdm does not depend on totem or gxine
[07:14] <Jimbob> Ali_Baba: I *think* that if wine and... (looking)
[07:14] <RuffianSoldier> USB hubs work in Hoary right?
[07:15] <mjr> RuffianSoldier, sure
[07:15] <RuffianSoldier> great!
[07:15] <kahuna_> no, but totem depends on ubuntu-destop which has a ton of dependencies. Is there a way to fux0r your system that way?
[07:15] <dr_willis> Hmm a USB hub should work  :P
[07:15] <RuffianSoldier> maybe 1.1
[07:15] <kahuna_> Just guessing as to what might of happened?
[07:15] <dr_willis> reguardless of the OS.
[07:15] <Jimbob> Ali_Baba: "binfmt-support" are installed, it should allow you to run them like Unix executables
[07:15] <RuffianSoldier> i just need something to extent the MA111
[07:15] <Burgundavia> kahuna_, ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage that can be safely removed
[07:15] <Seveas> kahuna_, NOTHING depends on ubuntu-desktop
[07:16] <ggeller> Which apt archive has python2.4-profiler?
[07:16] <Ali_Baba> ok.
[07:16] <bob2> removing it will break upgrades to breezy when it releases, though
[07:16] <kahuna_> Ok. It's the other way around then I guess
[07:16] <bob2> so, I really wouldn't do that
[07:16] <Seveas> ggeller, it's in multiverse
[07:16] <bob2> ggeller: hoary has that
[07:17] <kahuna_> So is there something he can apt-get install that will leave him with a default ubuntu desktop then is what I'm wondering.
[07:17] <bob2> kahuna_: ubuntu-desktop
[07:17] <bob2> wow, a non-free python library
[07:17] <Seveas> bob2, or it's misplaced in multiverse...
[07:18] <bob2> yeah
[07:18] <Shufla> grub hangs :(
[07:18] <Shufla> tfu, s/grub/hurd/
[07:18] <kahuna_> I only wish that ruby is as mature as python
[07:18] <carthik> I solved my gpg key revocation problem :) http://blog.carthik.net/vault/2005/05/25/revoking-a-gpg-key-pair/
[07:18] <carthik> thanks everyone who helped.
[07:19] <RetroMan> Does anyone use or know anything about 3dwm?
[07:19] <bob2> Seveas: the license says you can do whatever you want, as long as it's only in the form of a python module
[07:19] <bob2> bleh
[07:20] <dr_willis> RetroMan,  its one of those projects thats sort of not in a very useable state last i looked.
[07:21] <dr_willis> RetroMan,  its  poorly documented.. and more of just a experiment/project last i looked. :P
[07:22] <pmcnett> I'm using breezy on my production laptop with no problems yet. But if I run into any issues, I'll know just who to blame (me)
[07:22] <UnreA|L> How make  automatic run gkrellm, when i start ubuntu, like gdeskleets ?
[07:22] <drumh3ad> net
[07:22] <ziggy__> can someone please direct me in a way to change the font in evolution
[07:22] <bob2> UnreA|L: system -> preferences -> session, add it
[07:23] <ziggy__> the font for printing I am sorry
[07:23] <RuffianSoldier> I need to use this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817112103    to extend this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833122107  so i can get a signal - will this combo work in Ubuntu>
[07:23] <CrustyPunk> Still no fly. =\
[07:23] <ziggy__> i know how to change the other font
[07:23] <CrustyPunk> I reinstalled gdm. /etc/init.d/gdm start gets me further than startx though.
[07:24] <Jimbob> CrustyPunk: What does GDM say when it dies (in the little dialog box)
[07:24] <CrustyPunk> Nothing at all.
[07:25] <LillDude> hello
[07:25] <CrustyPunk> Just the usual <username>@blahblah
[07:26] <CrustyPunk> It's something to do with the gui. The startup screen comes up when I start gdm, but when I login it dies.
[07:27] <abarbaccia> CrustyPunk, run it from a terminal and look for output
[07:27] <osiris_22> mwhahahaha
[07:27] <osiris_22> oppie!!!
[07:27] <Seveas> CrustyPunk, sounds like you removed a little too much, please try installing ubuntu-desktop
[07:27] <OppieT30> :)
[07:27] <LillDude> hey ubuntu help needed
[07:27] <urb85> hello
[07:28] <osiris_22> ok lil dude just state your problem instead of stateing you need help that usualy is more effective
[07:28] <LillDude> pppoe wont save
[07:29] <urb85> guys, anybody knows some tutorial online on how to create icons??
[07:30] <Choubaka> they're PNG images.
[07:30] <Choubaka> or XPMs
[07:30] <Choubaka> just open gimp and start drawing.
[07:30] <LillDude> how would i get dsl to rember its settings
[07:31] <CrustyPunk2> Argh
[07:31] <LillDude> how do get to ppoe in gui
[07:31] <CrustyPunk2> My connection dropped.
[07:31] <urb85> Choubaka, oh thanks a lot, well I didn't know they were PNG's anyway, however, anygood tuts on the Gimp?
[07:31] <CrustyPunk2> It's something to do with the gui. The startup screen comes up when I start gdm, but when I login it dies.
[07:31] <Choubaka> urb85: I don't know any :/
[07:32] <LillDude> pppoe set up
[07:32] <urb85> Choubaka, np :)
[07:32] <Choubaka> urb85: google ought to help :)
[07:32] <urb85> Choubaka, eheh sure, anyway, have u got a website?
[07:32] <CrustyPunk2> Any more ideas? =\
[07:32] <Choubaka> a website?
[07:33] <Choubaka> about gimp, no. :P
[07:33] <urb85> Choubaka, no a general website, kinda blog or similar
[07:34] <Choubaka> well, I have a webpage, but it hasn't been updated  ~ever
[07:34] <Choubaka> so not realy.
[07:34] <urb85> Choubaka, oh ok
[07:34] <Choubaka> really*
[07:34] <othernoob> how do i clear the history of the konsole ?
[07:34] <urb85> Choubaka, I am just going around in need of "creative hint" :P
[07:35] <urb85> othernoob, close it and reopen it
[07:35] <Choubaka> othernoob: history -c?
[07:35] <urb85> Coubaka, just closing it should be enough I think :P
[07:36] <kahuna_> CrustyPunk, try reinstalling the ubuntu-desktop package.
[07:36] <othernoob> Choubaka: thanks, i had read it on some site a few weeks ago but couldn't remember
[07:36] <othernoob> urb85: no
[07:36] <UnreA|L> How install gkrellm themes ? Im trying cd ~/.gkrellm ( No direcotry ) /usr/share/gkrellm no direcotry
[07:36] <urb85> othernoob, hmm sorry then, I thought it would work
[07:36] <UnreA|L> How install this ?
[07:36] <UnreA|L> im download with apt
[07:37] <othernoob> urb85: i didn't want to clear the konsole screen, but erase all typed commands ;)
[07:37] <UnreA|L> what is the search command in console ?
[07:38] <urb85> othernoob, exactly what i meant, just as you can scroll between them with Ctrl+P and Ctrl+N
[07:38] <_kevin> how can i cutomize the way ubuntu looks and add new themes and also that MAC OS X bar thing that sit int he bottom and u hover over it and it goes big and has all the icons
[07:38] <SweD> I'm on a laptop. Any ideas on how to completely disable the pointing stick in X? I haven't figured out how my input section in X should look. In windows the drivers let me choose whether it should be active or not...
[07:39] <othernoob> urb85 i just use the arrow-keys ;)
[07:39] <SweD> Reason for asking is that when a ps/2 mouse isn't present and the stick is active, the cursor flies all over the place...off and on.
[07:39] <SweD> Some hardware issue I guess
[07:39] <urb85> othernoob, yes, same :P
[07:39] <int21h> anyone now if its possible to run evolution in a debugging / verbose mode ?????
[07:39] <othernoob> urb85 then everything's good :)
[07:40] <int21h> trying to figure out my IMAP issues with evolution
[07:40] <urb85> othernoob, :) well that's why I just said close the Konsole and they should disappear, at least it does on mine :P
[07:40] <abarbaccia> hey all - i dont have any of my open office launchers in my panel - can someone let me know how to get them back?
[07:42] <kahuna_> I was wondering if it's possible to install ubuntu onto a linux software RAID drive? I want to have a RAID10 but won't have room in my server for another drive for the OS.
[07:42] <FiReWoRkS> hi, I mounted one partition, I can access the files as root, but when I try to listen to a musica, for instance, I dont have permission to access it
[07:42] <FiReWoRkS> what should i do?
[07:43] <abarbaccia> FiReWoRkS, did you mount it in fstab?
[07:43] <FiReWoRkS> *music
[07:43] <FiReWoRkS> no I didnt
[07:44] <othernoob> urb85 they dont on mine, and i accidentally typed my password, so i wanted to delete the history :)
[07:44] <abarbaccia> hurm, well you should mount it as a regular user, and if it doesnt let you you can try doing a `sudo chmod 777 -R <mount directory>`
[07:44] <urb85> othernoob, I see, np
[07:44] <C-Murder> is there any Verlihub to ubuntu?
[07:44] <FiReWoRkS> hm... ok
[07:44] <FiReWoRkS> i'll try that
[07:44] <CarlK> FiReWoRkS - long shot - try pmount as user (not sure if it is either right or will work, but it wont hurt)
[07:46] <IIIEars> Fireworks - I had a similar situation. prolly just got lucky  passwd root -l       ("L") fixed it. try "users" and then "whoami" in a terminal.
[07:46] <CrustyPunk> So
[07:46] <caonex> I am trying to use administration tools from a normal user account; however, when Gnome tries to switch users, to root, by asking first for the passwd, the password does not seem to match the one for root because i am typing the same and it denies me, ideas?
[07:46] <CrustyPunk> I'm still not able to get into Ubuntuh
[07:47] <CrustyPunk> I can get a login screen now, but I can't get any further than that
[07:47] <jevidl> is there a quick way to tell what wireless access point I am currently sending traffic too? Or would I need to do something like ethereal?
[07:47] <Seveas> caonex, you need YOUR password for that
[07:47] <topyli> caonex: it wants your password, not root's
[07:47] <Seveas> caonex: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:47] <IIIEars> whoami and users might tell you if there is a problem with permissions
[07:47] <latis> is there any xmms->gimp plugin? So I can send the trackinfo to gimp?
[07:47] <topyli> caonex: why have you enabled root anyway?
[07:48] <caonex> Seveas, but I need to be in sudoers file?
[07:48] <topyli> caonex: the first user you make is in there automatically, and you can add others
[07:48] <caonex> topyli, i am not enabling it, i am just trying to configure something and it prompts for a passwd
[07:48] <caonex> topyli, i know.
[07:48] <topyli> ok
[07:49] <FiReWoRkS> if I mount in fstab, will I be able to access the files?
[07:49] <Seveas> caonex, yes
[07:49] <Seveas> or in the admin group
[07:49] <topyli> the group is better
[07:49] <topyli> less room for error :)
[07:49] <caonex> Seveas, but sudoers is better security wise, or not?
[07:50] <topyli> sudoers enables this group, no difference
[07:50] <Seveas> does anyone know of a password agent like ssh-agent, but for gnupg?
[07:51] <WldRbit>  You are using software Mesa (no hardware acceleration)!
[07:51] <WldRbit> Anybody got that while starting up enemy-territory / q3 ?
[07:52] <latis> is there any xmms->gimp plugin? So I can send the trackinfo to gimp? plz!
[07:52] <latis> Gaim I mean
[07:52] <abisen> okay i installed ubuntu on my laptop now what is the root password it never asked me one and it's not blank
[07:53] <bhna> abisen: there is no root paaword
[07:53] <bob2> abisen: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[07:53] <bob2> abisen: it did explain this to you during the install, and it is in the faq
[07:53] <bhna> abisen: use sudo and your password
[07:54] <FiReWoRkS> nothing works... I can mount it, but can access the files as a regular user... just trouhgh the terminal as root
[07:54] <bob2> FiReWoRkS: you need to mount it properly...if it's a ntfs or vfat partition, use the umask=000 option to mount/fstab
[07:55] <jevidl> any suggestions on how to tell what AP I am connected to?
[07:56] <bob2> jevidl: run iwconfig
[07:56] <latis> bob2, isnt it umask=0000 ?
[07:56] <Myrtti> is there any switch available in Gnome that would make any application start as always on top and on all workspaces?
[07:56] <bob2> latis: don't think so
[07:56] <latis> I use that and it works :P
[07:56] <jevidl> bob2: thanks, i figured there had to be something easy I was missing
[07:56] <bob2> Myrtti: that would be a metacity option, not a gnome one
[07:56] <bob2> Myrtti: I'd imagine devilspie can do it
[07:56] <topyli> Myrtti: i don't think so
[07:57] <topyli> ah, devilspie
[07:57] <FiReWoRkS> bob2 what do i write in the "options" ?
[07:57] <Myrtti> devilspie hmmm
[07:57] <Myrtti> that would be loverly
[07:57] <FiReWoRkS> that?
[07:57] <FiReWoRkS> ro,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000
[07:57] <Myrtti> I need to get Freeguide to start as on all workspaces and on top
[07:57] <bob2> FiReWoRkS: umask=000, as I said
[07:57] <FiReWoRkS> ok
[07:58] <bob2> FiReWoRkS: ro,blah,blah,umask=000
[07:58] <latis> umask=0000 :P
[07:58] <Myrtti> I watch too little TV, so I need my alerts to choo me off the computer to the sofa
[07:58] <topyli> FiReWoRkS: you can get rid of the uid and gid
[07:58] <FiReWoRkS> hm
[07:58] <FiReWoRkS> ok
[07:58] <FiReWoRkS> /dev/hda5       /mnt/arquivos   ntfs    ro,auto,umask=0000 0 0
[07:58] <FiReWoRkS> is this correct?
[07:59] <bob2> aside from the extra 0, yes
[07:59] <topyli> bob2: it's no harm either
[07:59] <bob2> yeah
[07:59] <bob2> it should be umask=002 in this case, anyway
[07:59] <topyli> aesthetics :)
[08:00] <bhna> FiReWoRkS: umask=0002,nls=utf8
[08:00] <FiReWoRkS> hm
[08:00] <FiReWoRkS> ok
[08:00] <FiReWoRkS> i'll try it
[08:01] <Vjaz> Anyone know if there is a version of the Human metacity theme that has the window controls (minimize, maximize, close) in the very top of the window (meaning they're infinitely big according to Fitt's law) ?
[08:05] <novaflare> bit off topic for the chanel but
[08:06] <novaflare> do any of you have experiance with cedega and playing direct x games on ubuntu http://www.transgaming.com/products_linux.php <<<< cedega
[08:06] <nk> hello how come ubuntu doens't have xscrnsaver.h ?
[08:07] <justin> nk: should it?
[08:07] <nk> justin, what do you mean?
[08:07] <nk> judson, at least in a xlib-dev package!
[08:08] <nk> sorry :)
[08:08] <nk> justin, :)
[08:08] <bob2> that doesn't sound like a header that would go in xlibs
[08:08] <justin> well for one, you are missing some e's
[08:08] <nk> guys ok where is it?
[08:08] <CrustyPunk> 'Lo again
[08:08] <justin> nk: what are you doing
[08:08] <CrustyPunk> O..kay, this is interesting.
[08:09] <nk> judson, I'm trying to complie an app that wants this header
[08:09] <nk> judson, sorry
[08:09] <nk> justin, :)
[08:09] <nk> justin, which pkg provides this header?
[08:09] <bob2> nk: it seems slightly suspicious that google has never heard of that file
[08:10] <CrustyPunk> Is there anyone here that was helping me with my problem earlier? =\
[08:10] <bob2> also the fact it's not even spelt correctly
[08:10] <bob2> xscreensaver.h is in the xscreensaver source package
[08:11] <bob2> what are you trying to compile?
[08:11] <nk> bob2, X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h
[08:11] <bob2> so, you mispelt it
[08:11] <nk> bob2, this X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h is in debian f.e.
[08:11] <bob2> do be more careful when asking for help
[08:11] <bob2> 04:06:20             nk |  hello how come ubuntu doens't have xscrnsaver.h ?
[08:11] <nk> bob2, I have debian and *archlinux* and ubuntu
[08:11] <nk> only ubotu thinks mispelling
[08:11] <bob2> nk: yes, and you mispelt the filename when asking for help
[08:12] <bob2> nk: it's in the libxss-dev package
[08:12] <nk> bob2, plz read what I've said
[08:12] <eliteforce^> hi
[08:12] <nk> k
[08:12] <CrustyPunk> Is there anyone here that was helping me with my problem earlier? =\
[08:12] <bob2> nk: your question isn't making sense, sorry
[08:12] <nk> bob2, thanks :)
[08:12] <bob2> CrustyPunk: best to just ask it again
[08:13] <CrustyPunk> There goes one of them =o
[08:13] <nk> bob2, thanks
[08:13] <nk> and sorry
[08:13] <eliteforce^> i'd like to add a mounted iso file to the apt-get sources.list: "deb file://usr/myuser/Kubuntu/mnt hoary main restricted" ... does somebody know if this is right?
[08:13] <CrustyPunk> I can't get to the Ubuntu gui
[08:13] <CrustyPunk> at the login screen, when I login it puts a console in the upper-left hand corner
[08:13] <eliteforce^> CrustyPunk, why?
[08:14] <yahalom> if my pppoe (adsl) disconnects how to do i reconnect it without restarting the pc?
[08:14] <CrustyPunk> I opened bitchx in said console to come here. =x
[08:14] <eliteforce^> g
[08:15] <CrustyPunk> eliteforce^: I don't know why it's happening
[08:15] <CrustyPunk> Gives no error messages or anything
[08:15] <CrustyPunk> Just login *poof!* console
[08:15] <InitMass> do one have to secure apache, php and mysql if i only will use them in a dev enviroment and with a software firewall as protection?
[08:15] <eliteforce^> try ctrl+alt+f7
[08:16] <jamesio> have any of you tried installing the .deb from bittorrent.com?
[08:16] <bob2> InitMass: what could you "secure" about them?
[08:16] <bob2> jamesio: that's a bad idea
[08:16] <jamesio> bob2, define "bad idea"...  ;)
[08:17] <InitMass> bob2, deny access to other than localhost maybe and set a password
[08:17] <jamesio> and why would it be?
[08:17] <bob2> jamesio: what's wrong with the version in ubuntu?
[08:17] <CrustyPunk> I'm afraid I'll have to reinstall Ubuntu and I'm trying to avoid it at all costs
[08:17] <jamesio> bob2, it doesn't support trackerless torrents
[08:17] <Amaranth> bob2: the one in ubuntu is 3.x
[08:17] <bob2> jamesio: the problem with installing random .debs from elsewhere is they may break future ubunt upgrades, and you don't get security updates
[08:18] <jamesio> bob2, that's not exactly why I asked...
[08:18] <catch-> Hi all, I want to downgrade breezy to hoary
[08:18] <catch-> how do i go about doing that
[08:18] <catch-> did a google search
[08:18] <Amaranth> I've been looking into getting bittorrent 4.x into universe for breezy. I've made some modifications to it to make it not suck so much.
[08:18] <catch-> can't find much on it
[08:18] <Amaranth> catch-: Reinstall from a hoary CD.
[08:19] <CrustyPunk> Question
[08:19] <catch-> Amaranth one problem, no cd drive anymore, there must be a way to downgrade
[08:19] <bob2> catch-: no, sorry, you were warned not to use breezy
[08:19] <bob2> Amaranth: why not main?
[08:19] <CrustyPunk> Is it possible to reinstall without losing things you've downloaded, installed, etc?
[08:19] <catch-> bob2
[08:19] <catch-> no i wasnt
[08:19] <Amaranth> bob2: 3.x is in universe, isn't it?
[08:19] <Amaranth> catch-: look at the channel topic
[08:19] <bob2> catch-: dude.  the topic says it.  the breezy announcesments said it.  people on the street say it.
[08:20] <Amaranth> catch-: I've said it in the forums.
[08:20] <catch-> I don't check any of them
[08:20] <bob2> I was walking down the street today and this stranger turned around and grabbed me and said "DO NOT UPGRADE TO BREEZY"
[08:20] <bob2> true story
[08:20] <InitMass> bob2, haha
[08:20] <nathan_> Hello all.  Sorry for the noobish question, but can anyone tell me if there's an option to hide the task bars when the mouse isn't focused on them?
[08:20] <bob2> catch-: upgrading to the development version is in general silly
[08:20] <catch-> I updated as soon as the new branch came out, given that hoary was stable-testing
[08:20] <bob2> you really can't claim you didn't know
[08:20] <catch-> well everyone did it for hoary
[08:20] <bob2> catch-: then you presumably expected it to set fire to your house
[08:21] <bob2> catch-: no, they didn't, and hoary was unusally stable
[08:21] <Micksa> ooer
[08:21] <CrustyPunk> Is it possible to reinstall without losing things you've downloaded, installed, etc?
[08:21] <IIIEars> nathan_  - yes
[08:21] <catch-> and I come from a gentoo background where you really have to run ~x86
[08:21] <HrdwrBoB> nathan_: right click
[08:21] <HrdwrBoB> nathan_: properties
[08:21] <catch-> which is "unstable"
[08:21] <yahalom> is there an pppoe plugin so i can connect and disconnect my adsl?
[08:21] <HrdwrBoB> 'autohide'
[08:21] <bob2> yahalom: pon and poff should be enough
[08:21] <dr_willis> CrustyPunk,  depends on what 'things' speficicially you are refering to. - best bet - backup the home dir. and reinstall, and reinstall the 'things'
[08:21] <Micksa> is it a mistake to upgrade to breezy yet?
[08:21] <catch-> Ok so i made a mistake, does that mean i should have to do a reinstall to do a downgrade? It shouldnt
[08:22] <yahalom> bob2, i know, but i want a pluging for my other family members who dont use terminal
[08:22] <CrustyPunk> Opera, Ogle, just apps and such
[08:22] <qaProgeny> Micksa:  beta....
[08:22] <bob2> catch-: on gentoo, how do you downgrade to the stable release?
[08:22] <Micksa> well yeah :)
[08:22] <bob2> catch-: how about redhat? how do I go from fedora 2 to fedora 1?
[08:22] <Micksa> but like, it's not totally unusable is it?
[08:22] <bob2> oh, wait, you can't?
[08:22] <Amaranth> catch-: breezy's meaning of unstable is 'every C++ app and everything that uses X is broken in some way'
[08:22] <hajiki> has anyone had any problems using their wireless card with a cisco access point? i got it running before but i forgot what i had to do...
[08:22] <bob2> Amaranth: oh, and you couldn't login on the terminal for a few days
[08:22] <InitMass> bob2, what do you think about the dev enviroment..?
[08:22] <qaProgeny> Micksa: not unstable, but still beta.  depends on your own comfort level.
[08:23] <Amaranth> bob2: yeah, util-linux
[08:23] <CrustyPunk> dr_willis: the problem is, I can't access the gui TO back these things up in the first place
[08:23] <catch-> undefine ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge sync && emerge update (from memory)
[08:23] <chillywilly> my breezy is usable :)
[08:23] <bob2> InitMass: hm? breezy or or ubuntu development in general?
[08:23] <eliteforce^> how to add my mounted ubuntu iso file to sources.list??? its located at /home/userxyz/isos/mnt
[08:23] <FnaRco> whats the command to run mplayer so it uses less memory?
[08:23] <InitMass> bob2, the apache/php/mysql i was talking about before
[08:23] <bob2> eliteforce^: didn;t you ask that a few minutes ago?
[08:23] <eliteforce^> ye
[08:23] <eliteforce^> s
[08:23] <bob2> eliteforce^: did you try it?
[08:23] <eliteforce^> yes
[08:23] <chillywilly> is firefox updated to 1.0.4 in either ubuntu distros?
[08:24] <bob2> chillywilly: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[08:24] <holycow> chillywilly, no but patches backported
[08:24] <qaProgeny> chilly:  not in hoary for certain.
[08:24] <FiReWoRkS> worked bob2
[08:24] <FiReWoRkS> thanks
[08:24] <FiReWoRkS> =)
[08:24] <bob2> InitMass: oh, it works fine, if that's what you mean.  I'd make them listen on localhost, but I'm paranoid
[08:24] <Micksa> gnome/gtk menu shortcuts have stopped working for me
[08:24] <FiReWoRkS> why cant i install xmms? what's required?
[08:24] <eliteforce^> the line: deb file://home/userxyz/isos/mnt hoary main restricted
[08:24] <InitMass> bob2, how do i do it?
[08:24] <Micksa> it's like, all the shortcut keys do the same thing
[08:24] <bob2> FiReWoRkS: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[08:25] <bob2> FiReWoRkS: enable the universe repository
[08:25] <holycow> fireworks, you may wish to try beep first, it's quite nice
[08:25] <FnaRco> whats the command to run mplayer so it uses less memory?
[08:25] <bob2> Micksa: in breezy? known bug.
[08:25] <catch-> bob2: sorry I ment undefine ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge sync && emerge -uDp world (from memory)
[08:25] <bob2> FnaRco: er, is there one?
[08:25] <Micksa> there's a known fix right? :)
[08:25] <bob2> catch-: ok!
[08:25] <FiReWoRkS> tks
[08:25] <FnaRco> bob2: yeah it is.. rich told me today but I forgot what it was
[08:25] <Amaranth> Micksa: The fix is to not use breezy.
[08:25] <FiReWoRkS> holycow,  is beep really good?
[08:25] <eliteforce^> please help ;)
[08:25] <chillywilly> ok, it shows 1.0.4 but I still have 1.0.2
[08:25] <Micksa> bob2: got a url?
[08:26] <bob2> chillywilly: yes, you're not using breezy
[08:26] <chillywilly> yes, I am
[08:26] <chillywilly> I am brave
[08:26] <bob2> FiReWoRkS: beep is pretty much identical to xmms
[08:26] <bob2> s/brave/silly/
[08:26] <LazySod> is there a grapical tool to burn bin and isos?
[08:26] <Amaranth> chillywilly: The package name is firefox now.
[08:26] <nathan_> thank you
[08:26] <chillywilly> bah
[08:26] <FiReWoRkS> hm... ok... i'll try it =)
[08:26] <Amaranth> LazySod: Right click on the ISO and choose write to disc.
[08:27] <chillywilly> didn't realize that
[08:27] <Amaranth> LazySod: Not so simple for bin/cue. You need to convert them to iso somehow.
[08:27] <bob2> LazySod: for bins, convert them to an iso with bchunk
[08:27] <dr_willis> LazySod,  i hear that k3b can burn cue/bin files to cd.
[08:27] <chillywilly> bob2: I am not silly
[08:27] <Amaranth> bchunk hates me, it never makes ISO9660 images
[08:28] <catch-> bob2: ok ...... meaning ubuntu simply doesnt have the simple ability to downgrade?
[08:28] <bob2> Micksa: can't seem to find the url now, sorry
[08:28] <bob2> catch-: it does indeed, but it's not guaranteed to work
[08:28] <CrustyPunk> I can't get to the Ubuntu GUI
[08:28] <bob2> catch-: if you don't know advanced apt fiddling, it's easier to reinstall
[08:28] <CrustyPunk> As soon as I login it puts me into a console
[08:28] <bob2> or use gentoo if you really think that will help
[08:28] <Amaranth> catch-: It isn't 'simple' by any definition of the term. It only works in gentoo because you basically recompile the entire system from scratch to downgrade.
[08:28] <Nermal> hello all
[08:28] <LazySod> oh, nice... works just fine!
[08:28] <chillywilly> but you can still downgrade
[08:29] <chillywilly> :P
[08:29] <Nermal> I'm hot, sweating and wearing nothing but a Code of Conduct
[08:29] <bob2> catch-: you can pin hoary above breezy and let apt try
[08:29] <eliteforce^> yes it works
[08:29] <Dr_Melectaus> i just spent 2 days trying to download the torrent for ubuntu 5.04 instal/Live DVD and it said it was finished when it still had 200 megs to go
[08:29] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: the tracker is down, sorry
[08:30] <Amaranth> Dr_Melectaus: the tracker died
[08:30] <Dr_Melectaus> ahh crap
[08:30] <bob2> it's being looked at
[08:30] <Dr_Melectaus> when will it be back up if anyone knows?
[08:30] <Amaranth> we need 4.1.x bittorrent and trackerless torrents ;)
[08:30] <FiReWoRkS> worked bob2
[08:30] <FiReWoRkS> thanks again
[08:30] <Amaranth> you wouldn't be able to keep track of # of downloads that way, but oh well
[08:30] <FiReWoRkS> =)
[08:30] <bob2> np
[08:31] <Amaranth> is it sad that i'm installing KDE things just to see Smeg handle their icons correctly (unlike the real menu)?
[08:31] <Dr_Melectaus> Does anyone know weather i will have to download the whole thing again? i only had 200 megs to go and i have a really lousy connection
[08:31] <truz24> is there a way to take the first x characters from each line in a file
[08:31] <Dr_Melectaus> took me 4 days to get to 2500 odd mb
[08:31] <truz24> using grep or the like ?
[08:31] <CarlK> Dr_Melectaus - no. BT will fill in broken/missing parts
[08:31] <paulproteus> Dr_Melectaus: It will pick up where it left off.
[08:32] <bob2> truz24: sed can
[08:32] <paulproteus> The packages are download to /var/cache/apt/archives/
[08:32] <Dr_Melectaus> kick ass. im useing bitTornado so thats cool
[08:32] <paulproteus> I'll be back later.
[08:32] <CarlK> Dr_Melectaus - I start/stop BT all the time.  sometimes it crashes even
[08:32] <Amaranth> ugliest thing i've ever seen
[08:32] <Dr_Melectaus> is  it likely to be back up soon, or will it take a while to get going again?
[08:32] <bob2> Amaranth: eh?
[08:32] <bob2> Amaranth: the gtk gui?
[08:33] <Dr_Melectaus> sorry just keen to get on ubuntu :D
[08:33] <CarlK> Dr_Melectaus - part of the "protocol" is to expect some bad data, so it checks what it got and gets it again if is broken (or not there)
[08:33] <Dr_Melectaus> im downloading the live cd instead just now
[08:33] <Dr_Melectaus> cool
[08:33] <catch-> back sorry, Amaranth: it doesn't recompile the entire system, only things that it requires, bob2: is the procedure documented anywhere, I can't install from cd atm as i have no cd drive to use, what did you mean by pin hoary above breezy?
[08:33] <Amaranth> bob2: no, that's bittorrent 4, i love that. I'm talking about bittornado, which is based on 3, which uses wxpython, which uses gtk1
[08:33] <HappyFool> you could always download the install CD (about 600MB) and then install only what you need extra via apt
[08:33] <bob2> Amaranth: "ugliest thing i've ever seen" is what I was refering to
[08:34] <Dr_Melectaus> i wasted 2 dvd's burning it off and trying to boot from it lol, thought my comp was fucked
[08:34] <bob2> Amaranth: and that just means you're not running it in screen like $deity intended ;)
[08:34] <Dr_Melectaus> HappyFool, im downloading the live cd just now
[08:34] <a_monkey> UbuntuProb: hello :)
[08:34] <Dr_Melectaus> im going to wait for the dvd install/ live then ill use that to install it
[08:34] <Amaranth> bob2: heh, i don't need to. My BitTorrent 4 has a tray icon. :D
[08:34] <UbuntuProb> can anyone help me installing smartUSB56 on ubuntu ? PLease..
[08:34] <Dr_Melectaus> can i use the dvd to partition my hdd? as i will still need to use dows
[08:34] <bob2> catch-: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/downgrade.html
[08:34] <CarlK> catch - or use my obsession: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocalNetInstall
[08:35] <bob2> catch-: when people say "don't use breezy", they do mean it
[08:35] <UbuntuProb> i've tried googling.. but, no progress
[08:35] <bob2> UbuntuProb: is it too late to return it and get a real modem?
[08:35] <catch-> bob2: with no one around me who really does computing, and it just being myself with no time to read forums, noone told me
[08:35] <Dr_Melectaus> whats the difference between ubuntu and debian then?
[08:35] <Dr_Melectaus> im curiouse
[08:35] <catch-> thank you for the help
[08:35] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : what do you mean by that ?
[08:35] <Amaranth> breezy is the kind of distro where you don't restart for a week not just because you don't need to but because you don't know if anything will come back up when you turn it back on
[08:36] <bob2> UbuntuProb: can you go get a serial modem?
[08:36] <Amaranth> chillywilly: Got the latest X? If so, don't log out or restart.
[08:36] <bob2> using breezy does not make you smarter or better or cooler, it just makes you an alpha tester
[08:36] <chillywilly> Amaranth: yes, I do and my X works fine
[08:36] <Micksa> I'm smarter, better and cooler anyway
[08:36] <Amaranth> chillywilly: What did you do to it? I've got a recursive symlink.
[08:37] <chillywilly> well...how late is the latest?
[08:37] <UbuntuProb> found this at the back : v1456vqe 030810216
[08:37] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : found this at the back : v1456vqe 030810216
[08:37] <Amaranth> chillywilly: latest meaning no X upgrades show up in synaptic
[08:37] <chillywilly> I upgraded yesterday
[08:37] <bob2> UbuntuProb: ok.  is it too late to take it back to the store and get a serial modem instead?
[08:37] <Amaranth> that might not be the latest
[08:37] <chillywilly> I don't really use the GUI much
[08:37] <chillywilly> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:37] <chillywilly> weeeee
[08:38] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : usb modem won't connect in ubuntu ?
[08:38] <chillywilly> bob2: using breezy may increase your penis size ;)
[08:38] <chillywilly> and get you chicks
[08:38] <bob2> UbuntuProb: they might, but they're going to be way more of a pain in the ass than a serial one will be
[08:38] <chillywilly> stuff like that
[08:39] <bob2> chillywilly: you have no time to get chicks, since you can't login anymore and do your job
[08:39] <danko_slp> heh, will
[08:39] <Micksa> bob2: are you canonical's #ubuntu caretaker? :)
[08:39] <chillywilly> bob2: I can login, want me to do it again?
[08:39] <bob2> Micksa: I just procrastinate a lot
[08:39] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : i don't think i have any other choice, most article in the internet doesn't mention about usb ..
[08:39] <bob2> and wait for launchpad pages to load ;)
[08:39] <Micksa> *snigger*
[08:40] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : so, is there any article you can refer to me ?
[08:40] <chillywilly> I can just sit here and harass you guys to fix things an therefore contribute to the overall productivity of Ubuntun ;)
[08:40] <chillywilly> Ubuntu too
[08:40] <dabaSlon> wow, 2 projects?
[08:40] <anto9us> 10 or 12 hours of procrastination can really get your mind in gear for the rest of the day
[08:41] <bob2> very few people here are involved in ubuntu development
[08:41] <bob2> UbuntuProb: is it a winmodem or a proper modem?
[08:41] <chillywilly> well, that's a shame
[08:41] <bob2> UbuntuProb: run "tail -f /var/log/messages" and plug it in and tell us what it says
[08:42] <UbuntuProb> ok.. got to disconnect first
[08:42] <UbuntuProb> brb
[08:43] <Micksa> https://wiki.utbox.net/index.php/Main_Page
[08:43] <Micksa> purdy
[08:44] <bob2> alphabet[NTNWWNe: please turn that highly obnoxious irc script off
[08:44] <Micksa> I sure was sick of the default mediawiki layout
[08:44] <chillywilly> ?
[08:44] <chillywilly> what script?
[08:45] <bob2> the one that /notice'd me for allegedly mentioning it's nick
[08:45] <chillywilly> don't mention his nick then ;)
[08:46] <Micksa> oh look, I suck. never mind.
[08:46] <chillywilly> alphabet[NTNWWNe: ping
[08:46] <IIIEars> Synaptic >> Repository >> Authentication >> Restore default Keys doesn't seem to repair the errors i am seing with Ubuntu ftp Master. What is the next step.
[08:46] <qaProgeny> alphabet[NTNWWNe: pong
[08:46] <Micksa> http://knobbits.org/ws.png
[08:47] <qaProgeny> indeed, that is annoying.
[08:47] <bob2> IIIEars: have you pasted the error to #flood?
[08:47] <UbuntuProb> ok.. got it
[08:47] <UbuntuProb> usb.agent[..] : slusb can't be loaded
[08:47] <UbuntuProb> kernel: slusb: Unknown symbol usb_endpoint_halted
[08:47] <chillywilly> I like it
[08:47] <novaflare> any one know of somethign like cedega thats opensource?
[08:47] <IIIEars> sure i can do that.
[08:47] <bob2> novaflare: wine
[08:47] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : so ?
[08:47] <novaflare> doubt wine would run ryzom though
[08:47] <novaflare> could try
[08:47] <novaflare> hmm
[08:47] <chillywilly> I am going to write one that dcc's a huge file to people who reference my nick...now that would annoying :)
[08:48] <qaProgeny> just more annoying.  the other is the baseline for annoying.
[08:48] <bob2> surely there is no irc client in the world that autoaccepts dcc's from random people
[08:48] <bob2> UbuntuProb: what have you done so far?
[08:48] <chillywilly> oh, better yet...it can do that ctcp sound crap
[08:48] <novaflare> any of them can
[08:48] <chillywilly> but that would only work for the mirc people
[08:48] <bob2> er, by default
[08:49] <chillywilly> it can be like I have terrets syndrom and randomly ctcp phrases at them
[08:49] <chillywilly> yea, that sounds like fun
[08:49] <Amaranth> chillywilly: random CTCPs are always fun
[08:49] <IIIEars> Okay, Done. :)
[08:49] <eruin> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/r/readahead/readahead_1.0.1-2ubuntu1_i386.deb  404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.138 80] 
[08:50] <CrustyPunk> Help D=
[08:50] <UbuntuProb> can i pm anyone here about my problem ?
[08:50] <CrustyPunk> I can't get to the Ubuntu GUI
[08:50] <CrustyPunk> As soon as I login it kicks me into a console
[08:50] <IIIEars> bob2 - What do you think?
[08:50] <eliteforce1> hi
[08:51] <bob2> IIIEars: gpg --recv-key 46181433FBB75451 ; gpg --export 46181433FBB75451  | sudo apt-key add -
[08:51] <abisen_> okay installed : ) and working fine till now ... now the only thing is i am missing compilers gcc, g++ so i am installing them using synaptic
[08:51] <bob2> don't know why you don't have it, tho
[08:51] <IIIEars> Great! - Thanks :)
[08:51] <abisen_> does anybody have any experience in installing vmware 5 for ubuntu
[08:51] <bob2> abisen_: install build-essential
[08:51] <jnk> UbuntuProb, what's the prob
[08:51] <bob2> IIIEars: np
[08:51] <eliteforce1> i installed kubuntu-desktop and set kdm as default, but it still loads gnome
[08:51] <abisen_> bob2, just on the command line
[08:51] <UbuntuProb> jnk : it's about installing smartUSB56 modem into linux
[08:51] <bob2> abisen_: no, install is a verb ;)
[08:52] <UbuntuProb> i mean ubuntu
[08:52] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: have you looked in /var/log/Xorg.*.log ?
[08:52] <abisen_> bob2, okies build-essential is a meta package
[08:52] <bob2> UbuntuProb: what have you done?  someone install broken smartlink drivers on your system.
[08:52] <eliteforce1> how can i set kde as default?
[08:52] <bob2> abisen_: yes
[08:52] <CrustyPunk> No, how do I do that through the console?
[08:52] <bob2> eliteforce1: try #kubuntu
[08:52] <IIIEars> I might guess it was the addition of the "Add-ons" CD - read too late that it was Unofficial.
[08:52] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: and maybe in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[08:52] <CrustyPunk> Jst type that in?
[08:52] <RabidWolf> hmmm anyone know if theres a way to make a ntfs mount readable by all users instead of just root or do i just need to break down and convert it to fat
[08:52] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: login with your username and password
[08:53] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: then type 'less /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[08:53] <bob2> RabidWolf: add umask=002 to the options columne in fstab
[08:53] <eliteforce1> bob2: just dont tell me where i should go to
[08:53] <CrustyPunk> I already am--I'm running bitchx from that console window
[08:53] <CrustyPunk> Okay
[08:53] <dr_willis> RabidWolf,  with the right fstab options all users can read it. (check out the UID and GID, and umask options)
[08:53] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: also try 'less ~/.xsession-errors'
[08:53] <CrustyPunk> Okay.
[08:53] <bob2> eliteforce1: what?
[08:53] <RabidWolf> hmmm i dont have it in my fstab as of yet
[08:53] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: ok, get to a bash prompt (e.g., try Alt-F2 to get a new console -- Alt-F1 to get back to your bitchx)
[08:53] <eliteforce1> bob2: the people in #kubuntu will say, hey try #ubuntu
[08:54] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : someone.. that would be me... :).. i thought i use the correct driver (from www.smlink.com)
[08:54] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: are you running standard ubuntu 'hoary hedgehog' ?
[08:54] <CrustyPunk> Alt+F2 doesn't work
[08:54] <CrustyPunk> HappyFool: yes
[08:54] <jnk> UbuntuProb, sorry I don't know
[08:54] <HappyFool> ?
[08:54] <HappyFool> erm
[08:54] <bob2> eliteforce1: er, tha's rather silly of them, the entire point of #kubuntu is to support people uding kde on ubuntu
[08:54] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : how can i clear this broken driver
[08:54] <UbuntuProb> jnk : thanks anyway :)
[08:54] <jnk> :)
[08:54] <HappyFool> do you have a 'special' keyboard with extra keys (like volume control etc.) ?
[08:55] <jnk> is there there a gothic font available in ubuntu ?
[08:55] <Razor-X> special keyboards.... *shudders*
[08:55] <CrustyPunk> Noe, standard keyboard
[08:55] <CrustyPunk> 104, I believe
[08:55] <neighborlee> how does one change livecd monitor settings to get better resolution ?
[08:55] <Razor-X> Dvorak keyboard for me ;)
[08:55] <Razor-X> and a trackball
[08:55] <CrustyPunk> Err... or would 104 be special?
[08:55] <HappyFool> try Alt-F1 , -F2... etc up to F7
[08:55] <neighborlee> I dont think it detected monitor right  in other words....
[08:55] <HappyFool> none of them work/
[08:55] <HappyFool> no
[08:55] <HappyFool> 104 is pretty standard
[08:55] <novaflare> hmm how do i start a install under wine?
[08:55] <CrustyPunk> None work
[08:56] <neighborlee> novaflare, wine binary
[08:56] <HappyFool> hmm
[08:56] <novaflare> so wine and file name
[08:56] <neighborlee> up
[08:56] <neighborlee> yup
[08:56] <HappyFool> you did have to login at the console, right?
[08:56] <IIIEars> bob2 -Still ugly but better - Thank You.   - Can you point me to a wicki or an ubuntu gpg key to puzzle at?
[08:56] <CrustyPunk> Should I get out of bitchx and try the "less" commands and come back?
[08:56] <novaflare> like for  ryzom the installer cd uses ryzom.msi it would be wine ryzom.msi ?
[08:56] <CrustyPunk> HappyFool: No, the login screen comes up. Once logged in, Ig et kicked to a console in the upper left
[08:56] <bob2> IIIEars: that didn't fix it?
[08:57] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: hang on a moment...
[08:57] <RabidWolf> bob2, /dev/hda1       /windows        ntfs    umask=002,rw,user  0       0
[08:57] <RabidWolf> look like what you meant?
[08:57] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: that Alt-F2 etc thing really ought to work
[08:57] <IIIEars> bob2 - no, - NP i enjoy the puzzle.
[08:57] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: it's fairly basic
[08:57] <CrustyPunk> Hmm
[08:57] <bob2> UbuntuProb: please don't /msg people
[08:57] <bob2> RabidWolf: right
[08:58] <RabidWolf> kewl thanks
[08:58] <CrustyPunk> Alt-F4 and up puts "3~" in the text area
[08:58] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : ok
[08:58] <RabidWolf> now guess i need to remount it heh
[08:58] <bob2> IIIEars: repeating that for each long string of hex digits should fix it
[08:58] <HappyFool> in bitchx ? or a new, blank screen ?
[08:58] <bob2> RabidWolf: sudo mount -o remount /windows
[08:58] <CrustyPunk> In bitchx
[08:58] <IIIEars> Okay. :)
[08:58] <bob2> UbuntuProb: if you installed from source, you're kinda screwed
[08:58] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: it sounds like ubuntu and you keyboard aren't talking to each other properly
[08:59] <bob2> UbuntuProb: and in future, when you come asking for help, after trying and failing to install something, please do mention that in your question
[08:59] <CrustyPunk> Lovely. Chalk up another problem I didn't know about. =P
[08:59] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: i'm not sure how to reconfigure that
[08:59] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : oo.. ok, sorry about that, I didn't know the rule..
[08:59] <CrustyPunk> Should I logout and try the "less" commands and come back?
[08:59] <HappyFool> in fact, i thought most keyboards would 'just work'
[09:00] <cspnic1> hi
[09:00] <RabidWolf> hmmm bob2 still showing the same perms on /windows
[09:00] <cspnic1> with oO how i can import html table ?
[09:00] <CrustyPunk> In my experience, things that "just work" are laying in wait to "just fuck up" =P
[09:00] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : so, does this mean, the easiest method is to reinstall ubuntu ? i don't really mind if you have to do it from the scratch
[09:00] <RabidWolf> dr-x------
[09:01] <CrustyPunk> So, HappyFool: Should I logout and try the less commands and come back?
[09:01] <CrustyPunk> Or do you have another trick or two up your sleeve?
[09:01] <bob2> UbuntuProb: no, you just have to go find them manually
[09:01] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: let's try that, but i think there are ... err. deeper problems ;).
[09:01] <CrustyPunk> So do I, Happy. =P
[09:01] <bob2> UbuntuProb: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/|grep slusb
[09:02] <CrustyPunk> I'm desperately trying to avoid reinstalling. =P
[09:02] <CrustyPunk> Be back.
[09:02] <anto9us> cspnic1: you just open it from within oO
[09:02] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : find and delete it ? right ?
[09:03] <cspnic1> but it stay in .html
[09:03] <bob2> UbuntuProb: yeah
[09:03] <reisio> what stay in .html?
[09:03] <anto9us> cspnic1: you want to convert it?
[09:04] <cspnic1> yes
[09:04] <anto9us> cspnic1: just select save as and choose your format :)
[09:04] <cspnic1> and it work?
[09:04] <cspnic1> i retry
[09:04] <LazySod> does ubuntu use iptables or ipchains, and where do i change 'em (preferable with gnome tools)?
[09:05] <cspnic1> no
[09:05] <cspnic1> when i launch it
[09:05] <bob2> LazySod: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian
[09:05] <bob2> LazySod: nothing using ipchains anymore
[09:05] <cspnic1> he close the he windows
[09:05] <LazySod> thanks bob2
[09:05] <bob2> there's firestarter or something which is a gtk thing for configuring it
[09:05] <LazySod> i really should have learned the filesystem by now!
[09:06] <LazySod> oh... firestarter isn't an additional tool?
[09:06] <ivoks> firestarter is just a gui for iptables
[09:07] <ivoks> and it can't do everything that iptables can
[09:07] <cspnic1> my open office bug
[09:07] <abisen_> bob2, how do i install kernel-headers or linux kernel sources so that my vmware builds it modules
[09:07] <anto9us> cspnic1: unfortunately it doesn't convert, sorry
[09:07] <Dr_Melectaus> whats the difference between ubuntu and debian then?
[09:07] <Dr_Melectaus> im curiouse
[09:07] <bob2> every firewalling tool on linux is going to just be a wrapper for iptables
[09:07] <cspnic1> then what i can must do?
[09:07] <CrustyPunk> Ooookay, I'm back,
[09:07] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: Ubuntu is Debian with a lot of preinstalled stuff and a simpler, more streamlined installer
[09:07] <bob2> abisen_: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[09:08] <bob2> reisio: the installers are basically identical
[09:08] <Dr_Melectaus> ahh, cheers
[09:08] <reisio> bob2: they're not identical
[09:08] <mark345> anyone here know how to create a limewire shortcut?
[09:08] <CrustyPunk> HappyFool:
[09:08] <Dr_Melectaus> so what difference is there between the ubuntu that comes on cd and the version on DVD
[09:08] <abisen_> bob2, thanks a ton
[09:08] <bob2> reisio: sarge has maybe 2 or 3 more questions, plus the root password
[09:08] <Dr_Melectaus> i take it the CD has alot of features cut out
[09:08] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: I imagine the DVD ones comes with a whole lot more packages to install from disc
[09:08] <CarlK> reisio - dont forget "and it is here not, not in 18 months."
[09:09] <Dr_Melectaus> kk
[09:09] <reisio> bob2: they're not identical
[09:09] <Amaranth> The DVD has all of main on it, doesn't it?
[09:09] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: no, the cd is the standard set of features
[09:09] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: here
[09:09] <CrustyPunk> Dir /usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic and /usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID weren't found
[09:09] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks
[09:09] <reisio> CarlK: that is a stupid reason to use Ubuntu
[09:09] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : found some files, and i've deleted them.. so, what now ?
[09:09] <bob2> reisio: in what ways do they differ then?
[09:09] <dooglus> I can hear 'drumming' noises when I do certain things, so the sound is working, but mplayer doesn't make a sound.  What do I need to do?
[09:09] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: any obvious error messages there ?
[09:09] <mark345> anyone here know how to make a limewire shortcut?
[09:09] <CrustyPunk> fonts.dir not found
[09:09] <reisio> CarlK: but then the inept often make up silly reasons
[09:09] <CrustyPunk> open APM failed
[09:09] <Amaranth> all of main doesn't get installed, but it's there so you don't need internet access to get it
[09:09] <bob2> dooglus: does "mplayer -ao esd blah.avi" play sound?
[09:09] <CarlK> reisio huh?
[09:10] <dooglus> bob2, no, it doesn't.
[09:10] <CrustyPunk> HappyFool: Did you get all that?
[09:10] <dooglus> File not found: 'blah.avi'
[09:10] <dooglus> Failed to open blah.avi
[09:10] <CarlK> oh boy.
[09:10] <bob2> dooglus: dude, subsituting a file you actually have
[09:10] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: those are warnings
[09:10] <dooglus> ok.  that works.  thanks dude!
[09:10] <dooglus> :)
[09:10] <HappyFool> i get all those too
[09:10] <CrustyPunk> There weren't any errors, just warnings
[09:10] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: errors start with (EE)
[09:10] <CarlK> dooglus - how about $ aplay /usr/share/hwdb-client/sound.wav
[09:11] <anto9us> cspnic1: what format do you want to convert to?
[09:11] <HappyFool> hmm
[09:11] <CarlK> dooglus - nm.
[09:11] <Dr_Melectaus> whats the URL to the torrent tracker? just so i can check it every now and again to see when it goes back up
[09:11] <dooglus> bob2: the 'esd' thing is very 'laggy'.
[09:11] <bob2> dooglus: yeah
[09:11] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: http://internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3496541
[09:11] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: ok, there's also a /var/log/gdm directory
[09:11] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: uh, that's not in response to your last msg :p
[09:11] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks
[09:11] <CrustyPunk> Alright
[09:11] <Dr_Melectaus> lol
[09:11] <CrustyPunk> I'll check that out
[09:11] <bob2> dooglus: just killing it might be a better option
[09:11] <CrustyPunk> Be back
[09:11] <reisio> bad timing
[09:11] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: those files have funny names though, like :0.log
[09:11] <Dr_Melectaus> :P
[09:12] <CrustyPunk> Okay?
[09:12] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: so to view them you'll have to type less \:0.log
[09:12] <Obadiah21> hello
[09:12] <HappyFool> ok, just be careful with the filenames ;)
[09:12] <CrustyPunk> Will do
[09:12] <CarlK> Dr_Melectaus - just let BT run - it will check every 30 seconds or something
[09:12] <HappyFool> the '\' is a 'quote' character
[09:12] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[09:12] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: you can list files with 'ls'
[09:12] <cspnic1> anto9us:>*.doc
[09:12] <cspnic1> for school
[09:12] <dooglus> bob2, on Mandriva I used to use the default 'ao', whatever that was, and it wasn't laggy at all.
[09:12] <LazySod> but... aint the firewall on by default?
[09:13] <Obadiah21> Anybody had any luck getting gnome configurator to load on Hoary?
[09:13] <cspnic1> but my open office bug on big document
[09:13] <dooglus> how can I stop 'esd' from running when I log in?
[09:13] <cspnic1> but it converts tale when i do ctrl+a
[09:14] <bob2> dooglus: yeah, presumably alsa or oss, 'pkill esd' before running mplayer will do the same
[09:14] <paco> hi1
[09:14] <paco> hola
[09:14] <dooglus> there must be some way of asking esd not to start, isn't there?
[09:14] <reisio> evil sound daemons :p
[09:14] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : err.. what should i do now ? i've deleted the files
[09:14] <bob2> dooglus: sure, in the gnome preferences
[09:15] <kent> dooglus, if you realy dont want esd to run at all, then stop the sound daemon.  System->Settings->Sound.
[09:15] <bob2> dooglus: but then gaim won't make noises either, etc
[09:15] <bob2> UbuntuProb: find the right drivers and install them
[09:15] <bob2> UbuntuProb: sl-modem-source - SmartLink software modem driver - module building source
[09:15] <dooglus> bob2, that's a good thing!  :)  why should a chat program make sounds...  :)
[09:15] <bob2> UbuntuProb: that package seems to be worth looking at
[09:15] <reisio> dooglus: agreed :p
[09:16] <pixelmonkey> does anyone here know if the Ubuntu torrent tracker is down?
[09:16] <bob2> pixelmonkey: yes, it is
[09:16] <anto9us> cspnic1: you then want to edit it after conversion?
[09:16] <pixelmonkey> bob2: ;-)
[09:16] <cspnic1> anto9us:>yes
[09:16] <pixelmonkey> good, I thought it was my client for a second.
[09:17] <Dr_Melectaus> pixelmonkey, aye its down. i am haveing probs as well
[09:17] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : google for it ? or is there certain website to do that ? sorry, i just know a little about linux
[09:17] <bob2> UbuntuProb: that is a package in ubuntu
[09:17] <bob2> UbuntuProb: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto, it's in the universe archive
[09:17] <Dr_Melectaus> whats kubuntu ?
[09:18] <EazyVG> kde ubuntu
[09:18] <bob2> if you have no internet access on the ubuntu machine, tho, it won't be fun
[09:18] <HappyFool> kde-ified ubuntu
[09:18] <UbuntuProb> bob2: ok, i'll look into it
[09:18] <Dr_Melectaus> is kubuntu better than ubuntu?
[09:19] <HappyFool> depends if you like kde or not ;)
[09:19] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: just a different default desktop environment afaik
[09:19] <Dr_Melectaus> kk
[09:19] <CrustyPunk> HappyFool: "Unable to find valid framebuffer device"
[09:19] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: if you're new, you might want to try many desktop environments
[09:19] <CrustyPunk> "RADEON(0) failed to open framebuffer device"
[09:19] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: then you can settle on your favorite (or just use lots :p)
[09:20] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: i'm guessing you have an ATI card?
[09:20] <CrustyPunk> Yeah
[09:20] <reisio> :p
[09:20] <CrustyPunk> Radeon 9600
[09:20] <CrustyPunk> Maybe the ATI/Ubuntu issues are to blame?
[09:20] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: did you install drivers, or are you still using.. err. standard Xorg drivers ?
[09:20] <Dr_Melectaus> ok, once i have ubuntu installed is it easy enough to change the destop to kde? or would i have to download the os with it if you get me :-\
[09:20] <HappyFool> I don't have ATI, I'm not familiar with the issues
[09:21] <CrustyPunk> I think I'm still using the standard Xorg
[09:21] <HappyFool> hmm
[09:21] <HappyFool> what i don't understand is why gdm logs you in, then breaks
[09:21] <reisio> standard Xorg?
[09:22] <HappyFool> standard Xorg ATI drivers
[09:22] <HappyFool> i assume there is such a thing
[09:22] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: desktop environments merely present the OSs stuff, it's not integrated
[09:22] <LazySod> it's rather easy...  Dr_Melectaus
[09:22] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: it should be simple to get and use many
[09:22] <mjr> HappyFool, there is, just that the 3d only works for <=9250
[09:22] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks guys
[09:23] <HappyFool> mjr: ok. well, CrustyPunk gets a weird error in his gdm log: "RADEON(0) failed to open framebuffer device"
[09:24] <anto9us> cspnic1: there's an html importer plugin for abiword
[09:24] <Shadow`AxC> ubuntu comes with a bootloader right?
[09:24] <CrustyPunk> I'd assume it failed because "unable to find valid framebuffer device"
[09:24] <CrustyPunk> Shadow`AxC: Yes
[09:24] <mjr> HappyFool, weird to me, too :I
[09:25] <dooglus> another question for you:  when I first installed ubuntu (yesterday), I was surprised to find that I could access Windows shares on the LAN without any configuration at all.  Now, however, I've somehow managed to break it.  I see "Windows Network", but when I open it, I don't see the local workgroup's name, like I used to.  What might I have done?  Would setting up shorewall have broken it perhaps?
[09:25] <Dr_Melectaus> is kde what knoppix usees?
[09:25] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: by default I think, yes
[09:26] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: i found this via google, don't really know if it helps: "Because no framebuffer device is active in the kernel; not even vesafb, but you need radeonfb for this."
[09:26] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: but Knoppix usually comes with a couple window managers I think
[09:26] <Dr_Melectaus> aright, just trying to find out what they all look like
[09:26] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: hang-on -- when you do a xorg configure, i think you can choose whether or not to use a framebuffer device
[09:26] <CarlK> doug - probably - try oping port 137 and 139
[09:26] <_Larry_> join  #<leon>
[09:26] <nCrustyPuk> Arg
[09:26] <nCrustyPuk> My connection dropped
[09:26] <HappyFool> doh
[09:26] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment has links to articles (with screenshots usually) covering many of the more popular envionrments/managers
[09:27] <HappyFool> nCrustyPunk: (from earlier) i found this via google, don't really know if it helps: "Because no framebuffer device is active in the kernel; not even vesafb, but you need radeonfb for this."
[09:27] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks reisio
[09:27] <nCrustyPuk> Any idea what it means? =o
[09:27] <HappyFool> nCrustyPunk: when you do a xorg configure, i think you can choose whether or not to use a framebuffer device
[09:27] <nCrustyPuk> Ah
[09:27] <nCrustyPuk> SHould I reconfigure and not use a framebuffer?
[09:27] <HappyFool> nCrustyPuk: try running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg', and, when you get the choice, choose *NOT* to use the framebuffer
[09:28] <HappyFool> nCrustyPuk: that is my best guess
[09:28] <nCrustyPuk> Alright.. be right back.
[09:28] <HappyFool> nCrustyPuk: otherwise I think you'll have to try the mailing lists
[09:28] <bobi> hi
[09:28] <elvirolo> hi all
[09:29] <reisio> elvirolo: lo
[09:29] <reisio> bob2: you too :p
[09:30] <mjr> hm, how much did a base hoary install take space by default, again?
[09:30] <dooglus> mjr: mine took 1.4Gb I think
[09:30] <darkaudit> so much for 'pool now :(
[09:30] <AirWays> Hrr
[09:30] <AirWays> No
[09:30] <mjr> dooglus, thanks
[09:30] <dooglus> poor scousers :)
[09:30] <spinifex> omg I'm stupid.  I deleted the top panel in gnome.  How can I get it back?  (probably reconfigure a package?)
[09:31] <AirWays> Mine took some < 1Gb
[09:31] <Dr_Melectaus> I think im going to knock together some ubuntu wallpapers for once ive installed :)
[09:31] <bob2> mjr: 1.8GB
[09:31] <bob2> for the default desktop install
[09:31] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: k, be sure they have nipples
[09:31] <nCrustyPuk> No go
[09:31] <dooglus> spinifex: right-click on the bottom panel in some space, and click 'new panel'
[09:31] <bob2> 1.2gB if you don't have it copy .debs to your disk then install them
[09:31] <HappyFool> nCrustyPuk: what happened?
[09:31] <Dr_Melectaus> nipples, reisio just for you. It/they SHALL have nipples ; (
[09:31] <nCrustyPuk> Same thing.
[09:31] <reisio> lol
[09:31] <nCrustyPuk> Reconfigured, without using the framebuffer
[09:31] <spinifex> dooglus: it's the panel with "Applications" and "Places" and "system tools" and such.  How can I get those back?
[09:31] <nCrustyPuk> Stll doesn't work
[09:32] <reisio> http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/ubuntu.jpg
[09:32] <usynic> anyone using amd64 ?
[09:32] <dooglus> spinifex: get the panel back first, as I described, then use 'add to panel' on the new top panel to add it
[09:32] <usynic> I had it working fine, but when I rebooted this evening it said it couldn't mount root VFS
[09:32] <usynic> I haven't done anything to the kernel
[09:32] <Dr_Melectaus> reisio, just seen that, was googling to see what different desktop enviroments look like :D
[09:33] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: lol
[09:33] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: the ones for the other distros are funny, too
[09:33] <HappyFool> nCrustyPuk: I'm out of ideas. You can try the mailing list. There's a guy called daniels who's here occasionally -- i get the idea he knows lots about X configuration. Ask him when/if he's around.
[09:33] <spinifex> dooglus: how do I add the applications menu back to it?
[09:33] <nCrustyPuk> OKay
[09:34] <nCrustyPuk> Thanks for your help, though
[09:34] <elvirolo> i'm strying to make entrance become my default login manager ... so i did update-rc.d entranced start 99 2 3 4 5 . stop 01 0 1 6 .
[09:34] <reisio> spinifex: right-click on panel, hit "Add"
[09:34] <dooglus> spinifex: it's called "Menu Bar"
[09:34] <nCrustyPuk> I might just bite the buller and reinstall
[09:34] <HappyFool> sorry i couldn't do more...
[09:34] <HappyFool> yeah. have you tried the live cd? does it work?
[09:34] <spinifex> oh, thanks
[09:34] <dooglus> you're welcome
[09:34] <nCrustyPuk> Haven't tried the live CD
[09:34] <Dr_Melectaus> reisio, ill have a look then :)
[09:34] <nCrustyPuk> I went right for the install
[09:35] <HappyFool> might be a non-install way just to check out your hardware support
[09:35] <dooglus> any help for my question of 21:25 out there please?
[09:35] <elvirolo> but it says /etc/init.d/entranced does not exist
[09:35] <spinifex> joy.
[09:35] <elvirolo> can anyone help me?
[09:35] <nCrustyPuk> Well
[09:38] <Dr_Melectaus> roffle at debian
[09:38] <nCrustyPuk> I'm gonna muck around in the console a bit more
[09:38] <nCrustyPuk> Thanks for your help, Happy
[09:38] <Dr_Melectaus> and lmfao at fedora
[09:38] <dooglus> can I get a list of which runlevels each service will be run at?  (like "chkconfig --list <service>" on other distros)
[09:38] <elvirolo> and, something else ... changing to runlevel 3 (or 2, or 4) only starts/stops anacron ... isn't that odd?
[09:38] <HappyFool> dooglus: there's a package sysv-rc-conf which might help
[09:38] <HappyFool> oh, but the sysvconfig provides a 'service' command like Redhat's, or so sayeth the package description
[09:38] <HappyFool> anyway, they might help
[09:38] <dooglus> spinifex: that is part of the "Menu Bar" for me.  "Applications, Places and System" is one 'unit'
[09:39] <unCrustyPk> HappyFool
[09:39] <dooglus> spinifex: haha.  I was scrolled up.  I thought you asked the same question again.  Duh!  :)
[09:39] <unCrustyPk> I would like to make it known that I am an idiot.
[09:39] <unCrustyPk> Somehow ubuntu-desktop got unintalled
[09:39] <spinifex> ubuntu-desktop is just a meta package to automatically include the default set of stuff.  It's not necessary
[09:40] <unCrustyPk> ...Oh. D=
[09:40] <spinifex> so if you uninstall one of the default programs it goes away
[09:40] <batkins_> does ubuntu come with gcc out of the box?
[09:40] <unCrustyPk> I uninstalled Totem. That's when it broke.
[09:41] <Seveas> batkins_, sort of
[09:41] <spinifex> yeah.  It's not broken.  Not having it just means you don't have the full set of things it installs by default.  So, it just means you don't have totem.  no big problem there
[09:41] <Seveas> it is on the install-cd, but not installed by default
[09:41] <batkins_> Seveas: why is that?
[09:41] <Fackamato> hi
[09:41] <Fackamato> is the only thing needed to do to get flash 7 support in firefox in ubuntu "sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla" ?
[09:42] <dooglus> I must be missing something.  How does anyone else configure which services they're running?  If you wanted to switch off apache for an hour, how would you do it?
[09:42] <reisio> Fackamato: you can just go to a website that uses flash (like 2advanced.com) and it should give you a prompt to install flash
[09:43] <Fackamato> reisio: I just apt-get installed it, and going to flash 7 sites says my flash is too old or not installed
[09:43] <Fackamato> and in the taskbar  i can see plugin failed to initialize
[09:43] <Fackamato> so, ubuntu hoary's flash support is BROKEN
[09:43] <reisio> Fackamato: what version of Firefox is this?
[09:43] <Fackamato> ubuntu standard 1.0.2
[09:43] <spinifex> Fackamato: I have flash installed properly on heary
[09:43] <spinifex> *hoary
[09:43] <reisio> Fackamato: what version of Firefox is this?
 ubuntu standard 1.0.2
[09:44] <Fackamato> (ubuntu hoary standard repository, firefox 1.0.2)2
[09:44] <Fackamato> -1
[09:44] <reisio> Fackamato: Firefox 1.0.2 ?
[09:44] <Fackamato> yes.
[09:44] <spinifex> use the installer in firefox, not apt
[09:44] <reisio> Fackamato: huh, well try 1.0.4, you should be using that anyways
[09:44] <Fackamato> reisio: it's not in hoarys repositories
[09:44] <spinifex> you can't have 1.0.4.  The features were backported into 1.0.2
[09:44] <reisio> Fackamato: ha...k
[09:44] <Fackamato> now I did apt-get remove flashplayer-mozilla
[09:44] <reisio> spinifex: that sounds so crazy :p
[09:44] <dooglus> I saw 3 or more packages for 'flash player' - one was a free one, and 2 seemed to be macromedia ones.  the free one locked up firefox every time I visited a page with a flash animation on it, but the macromedia one (installed through synaptic) seems to be ok(ish)
[09:44] <Fackamato> and now I'll try what you said
[09:44] <spinifex> so it's really 1.0.4 only named 1.0.2 for no reason
[09:45] <reisio> Fackamato: anyways, iirc the flash packages are for mozilla, not mozilla-firefox
[09:45] <dabaSlon> spinifex, you know y ou can have .4, I told you how last night.
[09:45] <spinifex> yeah but it's the same firefox, just changing the variable in it
[09:45] <spinifex> that tells it what version it is
[09:45] <reisio> ...and that doesn't sound retarded to you?
[09:46] <reisio> oh it does :) heh
[09:46] <hanna> i need some help setting up postfix
[09:46] <dooglus> using ubuntu's firefox means that you'll have problems installing plugins from mozilla.org, unless you follow the instructions here: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10681#c3
[09:46] <dabaSlon> reisio: so what do you want, when thats retaqrded,.,.
[09:46] <Tritis> Anyone have firefox foxytunes have an empty select list when choosing players?
[09:47] <Fackamato> how UNEXPECTED
[09:47] <Fackamato> "tge plugin failed to initalize please try again"
[09:47] <Fackamato> that was  apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[09:47] <Fackamato> so the free and non-free flashplayer doesn't work.
[09:47] <Fackamato> weird.
[09:47] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : i've installled module-assistant | sl-modem-source | sl-modem-daemon, and the log says that slusb has been loaded successfully, what should i do now ?
[09:47] <dabaSlon> Fackamato: mine do work, in fact.
[09:48] <dabaSlon> I mean, the free one, works. definitelty.
[09:48] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: are they installed in your home dir or in the /usr/ stuff.
[09:48] <Fackamato> could you please ls -la the relevant flash files?
[09:48] <dabaSlon> regardless.
[09:48] <bob2> UbuntuProb: try running 'sudo pppconfig
[09:48] <dooglus> Fackamato: try this one: 'flashplayer-mozilla'.  that works for me in firefox.
[09:48] <dabaSlon> Ill give you instructions for installing.
[09:48] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : ok
[09:48] <Fackamato> dooglus: tried it, didn't work. :<
[09:49] <dooglus> oh, sorry.
[09:49] <toresbe> does Ubuntu have dmix set up out of the box?
[09:49] <bob2> toresbe: no
[09:49] <bob2> in breezy, apparently
[09:49] <dabaSlon> fackamato, where are you testing your flash, f their site...
[09:49] <dabaSlon> this site is flash
[09:50] <dabaSlon> http://comcast.net
[09:50] <toresbe> bob2: yay
[09:50] <dabaSlon> Fackamato: hoary?
[09:51] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: where's the flash on that site?
[09:51] <Fackamato> yes, hoary.
[09:51] <dooglus> can I change my 'uid' to match the uid I use on other distros?
[09:51] <ice_1963> why is flashplayer in non-free ????
[09:51] <dooglus> ice_1963: um - because it's non-free...
[09:51] <bob2> dooglus: what is your uid there?
[09:51] <reisio> ice_1963: ...because it's made by Macromedia...a company that likes money?
[09:51] <dooglus> bob2: it's 1000 in ubuntu and 501 everywhere else
[09:51] <ice_1963> ok
[09:51] <bob2> dooglus: ouch
[09:51] <reisio> ice_1963: in this case it just means it's not free as defined by GNU
[09:51] <bob2> dooglus: I think that will work
[09:51] <dabaSlon> fackamato, follow this: http://ubuntuguide.org/#flash-mozilla.
[09:52] <dabaSlon> Dont tell me you did it b4, just follow it.
[09:52] <dabaSlon> And, pc?
[09:52] <Fackamato> Hihi.
[09:52] <Fackamato> Yeah, will do.
[09:52] <Fackamato> PC?
[09:52] <dooglus> bob2, I'm guessing I can just edit /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow, but wondered what the 'ubuntu way' would be.
[09:52] <bob2> dooglus: that would be it
[09:52] <dabaSlon> you using a pc?
[09:52] <dabaSlon> or amd, or ppc?
[09:52] <clong> I have a driver (module) that is not loading upon boot.  I have to get to a terminal and type modprobe i810 every time in order to have video.  I have added the module to /etc/modules and it still does not load upon boot.  Any suggestions?
[09:53] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: I'm using a PC, yes.
[09:53] <Fackamato> Intel based one.
[09:53] <dabaSlon> ok, follow that.
[09:53] <Fackamato> There, done.
[09:53] <reisio> ice_1963: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software
[09:53] <Fackamato> Now I'll launch firefox.
[09:53] <dabaSlon> then, go to COmcast.net and tell me if you see everything.
[09:53] <Fackamato> Which site should I point it to?
[09:53] <Fackamato> Ok.
[09:53] <dabaSlon> install with ubuntuguide,.
[09:53] <EazyVG> does Ubuntu comes with iptables installed by default?
[09:53] <ice_1963> I'm not going to install flashplayer in firefox then lol
[09:54] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : forgot to tell you this, when i install sl-modem-daemon, got this msg : not starting Smartlink Modem daemon (options not set in /etc/default/sldmodemd)
[09:54] <bob2> UbuntuProb: ok...
[09:54] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: I get a big grey rectangular, which I guess is the flash object. In the tray I can see "The plugin failed to initalize, please try again" .
[09:54] <bob2> UbuntuProb: you will need to edit that
[09:54] <bob2> EazyVG: of course
[09:54] <bob2> EazyVG: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian
[09:54] <JaffaCak1> I need a little help with mounting drives. I have 3 NTFS partitions that I've mounted and all that is working fine. My only problem is that its given them some boring names based on their sizes. How can I give them a custom label?
[09:54] <spinifex> Fackmato: it should have a puzzle piece icon, and if you click on it it will install the plugin
[09:54] <Fackamato> It has nothing.
[09:54] <spinifex> make sure you delete your old plugin
[09:54] <Fackamato> Just grey.
[09:54] <Fackamato> I can give you a screenshot.
[09:54] <EazyVG> but it got no GUI as SuSE has ... right!
[09:54] <Fackamato> I did.
[09:55] <dabaSlon> ok, give me a screenshot.
[09:55] <spinifex> and try http://newgrounds.com
[09:55] <bob2> JaffaCak1: what is "it"?
[09:55] <bob2> EazyVG: er, did you install one?
[09:55] <EazyVG> that's what I mean .. installed default mode
[09:55] <Fackamato> dabaSlon and spinifex: http://www.tehjunkyard.net/flash.png
[09:55] <eliteforce^> hi
[09:55] <dabaSlon> tenks.
[09:56] <reisio> eliteforce^: lo
[09:56] <dabaSlon> you have flash installed.
[09:56] <eliteforce^> is it possible to use the console to login instead of the kdm/gdm?
[09:56] <EazyVG> Which one is good for ubuntu ... firewall?
[09:56] <ice_1963> gnomebaker is in non-free
[09:56] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : i tried gedit /etc/default/sldmodemd and there's nothing in the file, so, what should i put there ?
[09:56] <dabaSlon> Fackamato: you hjust have some weird browser.
[09:56] <ubunter12> hi, my Hoary installation is not recognizing a memory stick USB drive (LiveCD does). Can someone please tell me where to check?
[09:56] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: hah.
[09:56] <JaffaCak1> bob2: if I goto places>computer, the drives I've mounted are there. Ubuntu has given them some boring names after I edited fstab to mount them
[09:56] <spinifex> Fackmato: The left panel there is flash
[09:57] <bob2> JaffaCak1: so by ubuntu, you mean gnome, right
[09:57] <EazyVG> Which one is good for ubuntu ... firewall?
[09:57] <Battletux> Hi
[09:57] <dabaSlon> Fackamato: serious.
[09:57] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; sv-SE; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050512 Firefox/1.0 (Ubuntu package 1.0.2)
[09:57] <dabaSlon> I use epiphany(both work, tho...)
[09:57] <ys76> EazyVG, Be patient....
[09:57] <dooglus> in synaptic, what is the difference between 'mark for removal' and 'mark for complete removal'?
[09:57] <spinifex> complete removal removes configuration files
[09:57] <Fackamato> complete removal removes config files too.
[09:57] <Fackamato> snurf,.
[09:57] <bob2> clong: perhaps just because no one knows the answer
[09:57] <Fackamato> Dx
[09:57] <reisio> spinifex: left panel is not flash
[09:58] <bob2> clong: I can't think how putting something in /etc/modules would not work, try asking on the user mailing list
[09:58] <spinifex> oh, sorry, guess they updated their site then
[09:58] <JaffaCak1> bob2: I suppose so. I'm a nubcake
[09:58] <reisio> Battletux: lo
[09:58] <ice_1963> there is no firewall firestater is in non-free
[09:58] <reisio> Fackamato: good theme choice :)
[09:58] <dooglus> clong: I don't know the answer, sorry.
[09:58] <Fackamato> reisio: thanks :)
[09:59] <JaffaCak1> bob2: its just given them names like "10G Hard Drive" where I want it to be called "Windows" or something like that
[09:59] <reisio> Fackamato: what if you hit CTRL+SHIFT+R ?
[09:59] <dabaSlon> fackamato, it works, your flash is installed, you cant even get to that site without flash installed. It takes you to a redirect to flash insall if it is not installed.
[09:59] <dabaSlon> I work for them.
[09:59] <RabidWolf> i must not be a human being cuz i cant get this crap towork today heh i add /dev/hdc { dma = on } to my hdparm.conf and on boot it tells me no such file for /dev/hdc
[09:59] <reisio> dabaSlon: unless JavaScript is turned off, maybe? :)
[10:00] <Seveas> RabidWolf, that's o
[10:00] <Seveas> ok
[10:00] <dabaSlon> reisio: I dont get your questrio n,
[10:00] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: entering comacst.net makes my harddrive load a bunch of stuff for a bit of time, then the page displays with the error and grey box (the screenshot).
[10:00] <RabidWolf> o?
[10:00] <Seveas> /dev/hdc is created later by udev
[10:00] <dabaSlon> nah. thats not an error.
[10:00] <dabaSlon> thats your firewall, do you haver one?
[10:00] <Seveas> RabidWolf, and when it's created, dma will be enabled
[10:00] <spinifex> Fackamato: what happens at newgrounds.com?
[10:01] <Fackamato> spinifex: not much, I don't know what to look for, tried to watch a clip but nothing came up
[10:01] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : i tried gedit /etc/default/slmodemd and there's nothing in the file, so, what should i put there ? (spelling error in slmodemd)
[10:01] <RabidWolf> so just leave the line as is and ignore that msg about /dev/hdc doesnt exist
[10:01] <RabidWolf> and it should work as planned
[10:01] <dabaSlon> fackamato, firewall?
[10:02] <Seveas> RabidWolf, yes
[10:02] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: eys
[10:02] <dabaSlon> fackamato, router? both could firewall it.
[10:02] <dabaSlon> remove it..............that is why the grey box.
[10:02] <Fackamato> err
[10:02] <dabaSlon> fw thinks its ads...
[10:02] <dabaSlon> popups.
[10:02] <dabaSlon> I know that site by hand.
[10:02] <clong> one more quick question...does anyone know where the libata driver is buried in the kernel?
[10:02] <Fackamato> My router is not blocking that kind of stuff.
[10:02] <dabaSlon> flash is in fact instaqlled at this time.
[10:03] <dabaSlon> anyhow, I hope, good luck, fackamato.
[10:04] <reisio> Fackamato: about:plugins says you've got it?
[10:04] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: I've no firewall installed in ubuntu. I'm connected to a m0n0wall gateway, which in turn is connected to the ADSL modem.
[10:04] <Fackamato> reisio: yupsd.
[10:04] <dooglus> what's the apt-get command for "completely remove"?
[10:04] <Fackamato> Shockwave Flash
[10:04] <Fackamato>     Filnamn: libflashplayer.so
[10:04] <Fackamato>     Shockwave Flash 7.0 r25
[10:04] <Fackamato> application/x-shockwave-flash 	Shockwave Flash 	swf 	Ja
[10:04] <Fackamato> application/futuresplash 	FutureSplash Player 	spl 	Ja
[10:04] <Fackamato> Ja = Yes.
[10:05] <spinifex> yay for futuresplash
[10:05] <darkaudit> homina homina homina... poor Scousers?? ;)
[10:05] <reisio> huh
[10:05] <_kevin> what is a  good program for burning Audio CDs from VBR mp3
[10:05] <reisio> Fackamato: maybe try removing whatever you installed with apt and just using the built-in install thing in Firefox?
[10:05] <dooglus> hehe.  3-3?  who'da thunk it!
[10:05] <Goshawk> _kevin, try gnomebaker
[10:05] <_kevin> ye i have it
[10:05] <spinifex> reisio: I already suggested that, but he says he has
[10:06] <ubunter12> how do you mount a USB drive if not mounted automatically?
[10:06] <reisio> k...weirdness
[10:06] <spinifex> well he says he removed the plugin.  But he doesn't appear to have
[10:06] <dabaSlon> ubunter, just a usb key thingie? it was not mounted auto?
[10:06] <Fackamato> okay
[10:06] <Fackamato> plugins removed
[10:06] <ubunter12> yes usb key ..
[10:06] <Fackamato> no flash in about:plugins
[10:06] <Goshawk> _kevin, so?
[10:07] <Fackamato> I go to comcast,net, no grey square
[10:07] <Fackamato> but no "install flash" button
[10:07] <spinifex> go to newgrounds.com, and look for a banner with a puzzle peice in it
[10:07] <_kevin> its not all that good, like i heard some of my cds and the time it shows is not exact for how long the track is
[10:07] <_kevin> i burned them with gnome baker
[10:07] <reisio> sounds like it got half-installed or something :p
[10:07] <malign-traps> Fackamato: Sorry to butt in, but exit Mozilla and run it from a xterm.  Watch for warnings.
[10:08] <Fackamato> firefox is installing flash for me now (the puzzle button).
[10:08] <spinifex> make sure you're quitting and restarting firefox each time here...
[10:08] <Fackamato> haha
[10:08] <spinifex> oh yay
[10:08] <Fackamato> "failed"
[10:08] <spinifex> oh darn
[10:08] <Fackamato> seems I have to manually install it
[10:08] <unCrustyPk> Question
[10:08] <Fackamato> I'm pointed to http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
[10:08] <_kevin> like it works and burns and the whole tracks is ther.. but i check and it says it's 3 min 20 seconds but it keeps playin the after 3 min 20 sec has gone by, meaning the song is actually more then 3 min 20 sec yet when it burns the tracks is said to be 3 min 20 sec
[10:08] <spinifex> hm, puzzle piece worked for me
[10:09] <dabaSlon> it is intsalled, I dont kno why you are still trying to install it. Fackamato, do you have a site that you need it to work?
[10:09] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: I removed it again, since it was not working
[10:09] <Fackamato> it was installed but not working, if you might say so
[10:09] <malign-traps> Fackamato: Exit Mozilla and run it from a xterm.  Watch for warnings.
[10:09] <ubunter12> dabaSlon - it was not auto-mounted on boot-up. But it does if I use the LiveCD..
[10:10] <dabaSlon> ok, whatever, anyhow, do you have a reason you are trying to install it? a particular site not working?
[10:10] <reisio> Fackamato: check ~/.mozilla or wherever for files hanging around
[10:10] <unCrustyPk> I'm trying to reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and when I run dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it says "Options barked [*]  produce a lot of output - pipe it through 'less' or 'more'!
[10:10] <_kevin> I have fire starter firewall installed, is ther any other secturity tool i need to keep my system secure, like an AV
[10:10] <dabaSlon> ubunter12: it is not only at boot that thing mount.
[10:10] <dabaSlon> whenever you connect a usb drive, it should mount.
[10:10] <_kevin> if there is a free updated AV for ubuntu how can i obtain it
[10:10] <dabaSlon> even in the middle of the day.
[10:10] <dabaSlon> and you have had ubuntu ruinning for 14 days.
[10:10] <toonX> what is "Size mismatch" ? i get this error when trying to install bitchx with synaptic
[10:11] <dabaSlon> kevin, check out sourceforge.nety
[10:11] <malign-traps> _kevin: You shouldn't need anything like that.
[10:11] <dabaSlon> sf.net, kevin.
[10:11] <CrustyPunk> I'm trying to reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and when I run dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it says "Options marked [*]  produce a lot of output - pipe it through 'less' or 'more'! -- What does this mean?
[10:11] <ubunter12> dabaSlon, 2 reasons - moving files from other machines and using the same feature to hook up a digital camera!
[10:11] <dabaSlon> something called clamAV.
[10:11] <Fackamato> malign-traps: weird
[10:11] <malign-traps> I'm not.
[10:11] <Fackamato> no relevant output at all in the terminal
[10:11] <Fackamato> p
[10:11] <dabaSlon> ubunter12: at any point I connedct my camera, it gets auto mounted.
[10:12] <dabaSlon> ubunter12: it should do that for you as well.
[10:12] <spinifex> yo, I gots a question.  When I go to a website like e3insider.com and try to watch a video, it shows my mplayer plugin in the proper place, begins to load, and then starts playing only the sound.  The Mplayer logo stays in place of the video...
[10:12] <ubunter12> dabaSlon, so something has got messed up in my startup scripts but I don't know what
[10:12] <dabaSlon> I would not play video with a browser unless I had to.
[10:12] <reisio> spinifex: might be missing some codecs
[10:12] <dooglus> spinifex: sounds like you might need to codecs.
[10:13] <Fackamato> I give up.
[10:13] <dabaSlon> And I dont...cause I am not a perosna that watches commercials...
[10:13] <CrustyPunk> I'm trying to reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and when I run dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it says "Options marked [*]  produce a lot of output - pipe it through 'less' or 'more'! -- What does this mean?
[10:13] <spinifex> how do I get the right codecs?
[10:13] <dabaSlon> fackamato, I agree.
[10:13] <dabaSlon> There is no need for flashg anyhow.
[10:13] <Fackamato> Yeah there is.
[10:13] <Fackamato> :<
[10:13] <reisio> spinifex: hopefully you can get them through apt
[10:13] <Fackamato> ALthough, I hate it.
[10:13] <dabaSlon> I asked you what it was, what is the reason>
[10:13] <Fackamato> Slow and demanding,
[10:13] <ubunter12> dabaSlon, it used to work earlier - wld u know where to check ?
[10:13] <reisio> spinifex: as deps for mplayer
[10:13] <mikekgr> hello friends. I am tried to boot the letest ubuntu live cd (5.04) on my Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo-A laptop but when th X server tried to start my system freezed. Any suggestion ????
[10:13] <reisio> spinifex: dunno, though
[10:13] <spinifex> I installed mplayer through apt
[10:13] <reisio> spinifex: that's how it works for Gentoo
[10:13] <p|> re
[10:13] <dabaSlon> ubunter, I can tell you where to see if your comp is set up top autom mount, yes.
[10:13] <malign-traps> Fackamato: You had a plugin installed that didn't work, when you ran F from the cli?
[10:14] <dabaSlon> Apps> Sys Tools> COnf Editor.
[10:14] <toonX> so i assume that nobody got this error ever , right? "Size mismatch" when trying to install something with synaptic
[10:14] <CrustyPunk> I'm trying to reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and when I run dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it says "Options marked [*]  produce a lot of output - pipe it through 'less' or 'more'! -- What does this mean?
[10:14] <ubunter12> dabaSlon - let me check .. thanks i'll get back in a sec ..
[10:14] <dabaSlon> Desktop>Gnome> Volume_Manager.
[10:14] <p|> someone know where i can find a deb package of kvirc > v2 for ubuntu?
[10:14] <spinifex> toonX: sounds weird.  If I were you, I'd refresh my repositories and make sure they're valid
[10:14] <reisio> CrustyPunk: man less, man more
[10:14] <dabaSlon> ubunter, that s the second part of th e path to se it.
[10:14] <_kevin> is kvirc like mirc?
[10:15] <dabaSlon> Fackamato: what is the reason you want flash installed?
[10:15] <dabaSlon> kevin, in the irc part it is identcial.
[10:15] <dabaSlon> the m and kv ar4e the difference.
[10:16] <toonX> spinifex, i tought that too, and after refreshing them, still find's bitchx , but when it comes to download it gives "Size mismatch"
[10:16] <p|> _kevin is kvirc like mirc?
[10:16] <p|> mmm :)
[10:16] <p|> more powerful :)
[10:16] <_kevin> can i get it on gnome
[10:16] <spinifex> toonX: are you using any nonstandard repositories?
[10:16] <p|> yes
[10:17] <we2by> omfg
[10:17] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: Streaming media for one.
[10:17] <we2by> I just got a few popup ads in firefox and firefox xrashed
[10:17] <we2by> crashed*
[10:17] <dabaSlon> fackamato, what streaming media?
[10:17] <dabaSlon> where?
[10:17] <mikekgr> hello friends. I am tried the latest ubuntu live cd (5.04) on my Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo-A laptop but when th X server tried to start my system freezed. Any suggestion ???
[10:17] <usynic> anyone using amd64 ?
[10:17] <Fackamato> News.
[10:17] <Fackamato> A swedish news site uses flash.
[10:17] <spinifex> toonx- actually, my guess would be that it just means it didn't make the transfer properly, and you should try again, perhaps with a stabler internet connection.  I don't really know though, sorry
[10:18] <reisio> I recently installed the flashblock extension
[10:18] <dabaSlon> fackamato, care to give me  alink to tell you if it works in UIbyuntu?
[10:18] <reisio> loving it so far :p
[10:18] <spinifex> oo cool, mplayer will play quicktime videos properly.  Must just have a problem with wmp.  I'll read the restricted formats faq
[10:18] <spinifex> (play properly as a browser plugin I mean)
[10:18] <dabaSlon> toonx, what is your issue?
[10:18] <reisio> spinifex: different codecs
[10:18] <usynic> anyone at all?
[10:18] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: www.aftonbladet.se > right side, quite on the top > red text TV
[10:19] <spinifex> dabaSlon: he said he tried to install bitchx on synaptic and it said "size mismatch"
[10:19] <dabaSlon> toonx, can you sudo apt-get update?
[10:19] <ubunter12> dabaSlon - all the automount options have been selected - drive, media and photo
[10:19] <reisio> usynic: #ubuntu-amd64
[10:19] <dabaSlon> paste your sources to pastebin.com
[10:19] <toonX> spinifex, its ok thanks
[10:19] <dabaSlon> ubunter, then it sounds right.
[10:19] <toonX> dabaSlon, did that
[10:19] <dabaSlon> I am not sure, check the physical part.
[10:19] <malign-traps> mikekgr: Not really.  Is the keyboard completely unresponsive?  Do you have another computer nearby on the same network?
[10:19] <usynic> reisio: doesn't exist.
[10:19] <dabaSlon> toonx, works fine?
[10:19] <toonX> dabaSlon, yep
[10:20] <toonX> dabaSlon, fast too :)
[10:20] <spinifex> you just tried it again?
[10:20] <dabaSlon> ok, so, no issues.? tried installing with apt, to get the error?
[10:20] <toonX> dabaSlon, it's about the only package that does that to me , bitchx
[10:20] <reisio> usynic: just nobody in it :p
[10:20] <ubunter12> so dabaSlon, what could be going wrong? where would be the error messages ?
[10:20] <usynic> reisio: apparently.
[10:20] <dabaSlon> ubunter, check teh physical connections.
[10:21] <dabaSlon> fackamato, yes it does work.
[10:21] <dabaSlon> with flash, yes.
[10:21] <JaffaCak1> anyone know how I can label my mounted ntfs drives?
[10:21] <_kevin> i'm planning on getting 512 mb ram in addition to the 128 mb ram... will that be enough to run like windows xp home or win 98se within my ubuntu linux
[10:21] <Fackamato> ok. It doesn't work here.
[10:21] <Fackamato> Strange indeed.
[10:22] <dabaSlon> so, what is weird about your system that mine would work, and yours wouldt?
[10:22] <ubunter12> dabaSlon, physical connections are fine as same USB drive shows up if I bootup using LiveCD or also in Windows
[10:22] <mikekgr> malign-traps: I am very sure it freezed completelly...
[10:22] <Fackamato> _kevin: yes.
[10:22] <dabaSlon> ok, so you tried unplugging plugging back in?
[10:23] <dabaSlon> fackamato, I would remove firewalls to try, at least youll know if it is that.
[10:23] <malign-traps> mikekgr: There are two kinds of problems it could be:  A kernel panic/hang, or a console hang.  We need first to fiure out which it is.  Do you have another computer nearby on the same network?
[10:23] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: it works on windows computers in the same network here, so I don't think it's a firewall problem. There's also nothing in the logs about it.
[10:23] <dabaSlon> I mean, fackamato.
[10:24] <dabaSlon> do you see where it says adblock
[10:24] <dabaSlon> ?
[10:24] <dabaSlon> do you have an adblock program on your comp??
[10:24] <Akiyuki> Does anyone know if the WG311V2 card will work with UBUNTU?
[10:24] <reisio> dabaSlon: that tab is to optionally remove it
[10:24] <toonX> does anything has to do that this package is from the universe?
[10:24] <reisio> dabaSlon: it doesn't do it without you explicitly saying to
[10:24] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: I had the adblock extensino for firefox, and yes I saw that adblock button on the flash stuff. But I removed adblock to see if that was the problem, but no change.
[10:24] <reisio> Fackamato: that's not it
[10:24] <dabaSlon> did you have flash installed at that time?
[10:25] <reisio> Fackamato: you Flash or Firefox install is just goofed
[10:25] <ubunter12> dabaSlon, plugging / unplugging is not working
[10:25] <reisio> s/you/your
[10:25] <dabaSlon> toonX: apt-get isntall it?
[10:25] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: yes.
[10:25] <Marble2> crap, I just mv'd a file over another file
[10:25] <Marble2> how do I undelete the first file?
[10:25] <Hatred> mornin all
[10:25] <mikekgr> malign-traps: The problem appeared not in the booting but when the system tried to activate the X.org server ... and yes it hangs
[10:25] <reisio> Hatred: mornin'
[10:25] <dabaSlon> marble, no.
[10:25] <spinifex> I don't think you can, Marble2.  Welcome to *nix
[10:25] <dabaSlon> sorry./
[10:25] <Marble2> ugh
[10:25] <Marble2> dammit
[10:25] <malign-traps> mikekgr: Do you have another computer nearby on the same network?
[10:25] <Hatred> how are you reisio ?
[10:25] <Akiyuki> Does anyone know if the WG311V2 card will work with UBUNTU?
[10:26] <dabaSlon> hey,. haterd.
[10:26] <dooglus> I've messed up a bit.  How can I fix this mess?  First, I used 'synaptic' to uninstall shorewall.  I didn't use the 'completely' option.  Then I noticed that /etc/init.d/shorewall was still around, so I deleted it (rm as root).  Now I can't reinstall shorewall, because "invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/shorewall not found.".  What should I do?
[10:26] <mikekgr> malign-traps: no
[10:26] <Hatred> dabaSoln :p
[10:26] <dabaSlon> ubunter, not sure, mine mounts:-p:)
[10:26] <dabaSlon> I love my computer:)
[10:26] <toonX> dabaSlon,  no , it does not install it , it finds it but when it comes to download it , i get this error "size mismatch"
[10:26] <dabaSlon> no issues...everything working fine...
[10:26] <dabaSlon> really.
[10:26] <ubunter12> dabaSlon, wld you know the command for manually mounting the usb stick ?
[10:26] <dabaSlon> can you post teh error to pastebin?
[10:26] <spinifex> dooglus: go into synaptic, select "Not Installed (residual config)" and then completely remove it
[10:26] <dabaSlon> http://pastebin.com.
[10:27] <Akiyuki> Does anyone know if the WG311V2 card will work with UBUNTU?
[10:27] <reisio> Hatred: good good, you?
[10:27] <reisio> http://rafb.net/paste/
[10:27] <toonX> dabaSlon, how can i Force Version with apt-get install ? doesn't let me do it in synaptic
[10:27] <omie> anyone know how glibc 2.3.5 ends up getting into hoary?  which package(s) pulls it in?  some were saying backports, but we have a machine here that hasn't touched backports or breezy and it's got 2.3.5
[10:27] <Hatred> i'm running an application that says it sets the x root window to an image,
[10:27] <Hatred> though, i got nfi what the x root window is
[10:27] <Hatred> :s
[10:27] <dabaSlon> akiyuki, you can check out the ndiswrapper list of supported cards, or google for model+linux.
[10:28] <mikekgr> malign-traps: it is not possible to change to any console (alt+ctrl+F1) not possible to kill X server nor alt+ctrl+del ...
[10:28] <dabaSlon> omie, well, build-essential maybe.
[10:28] <dooglus> spinifex: it's not in 'residual config'
[10:28] <malign-traps> mikekgr:  Yes.  That doesn't tell us whether the console is hung or whether the kernel is hung.
[10:28] <dabaSlon> toonx, dunno, man apt-get.
[10:28] <reisio> Hatred: that's the "desktop"
[10:29] <dabaSlon> anyone watchin the champ league finals?
[10:29] <spinifex> dooglus: darn man, dunno then.  It's not possible to select "completely remove" on that package anymore?
[10:29] <reisio> Hatred: so you just ran an application for giving your desktop a wallpaper
[10:29] <toonX> dabaSlon, right :)
[10:29] <Hatred> reisio- correct,
[10:29] <dooglus> spinifex: I don't see it in the list of installed packages any more
[10:29] <reisio> Hatred: so you understand?
[10:29] <Hatred> i've been running numerous applications meant to run on the x root window
[10:29] <tone> hi there
[10:29] <toonX> i'll never get "round" that man :)
[10:29] <Hatred> hoever none of them have worked
[10:30] <dabaSlon> hey, tone.
[10:30] <malign-traps> mikekgr:  Best plan:  Boot the CD without X, from one console, "while sleep 1; do echo ^G; done" .  From another, start X.  If the beeping stops, then it's the kernel.
[10:30] <Hatred> it only when i shut it down and gdm squits that i see these things sitting behind my desktop :s
[10:30] <tone> i dont use ubuntu, but kubuntu, is there a channel for kubuntu problems ?
[10:30] <spinifex> tone: yes, read topic.  #kubuntu
[10:30] <mikekgr> malign-traps: the only sure is that knoppix 3.8.1 / 3.8.2 or older boots and run X server without any problem ... Why ubuntu not ???
[10:31] <reisio> Hatred: are you using GNOME?
[10:31] <Hatred> indeed i am
[10:31] <dabaSlon> hatredm, what??
[10:31] <dabaSlon> hatred, what app?
[10:31] <reisio> Hatred: GNOME has that functionality built in
[10:31] <tone> spinifex, sorry, im not familiar with xchat, i am just converting from windows/mirc
[10:31] <Hatred> xearth
[10:31] <Hatred> xgroach
[10:31] <reisio> Hatred: just right-click on the desktop
[10:31] <Hatred> xstarfish
[10:31] <dooglus> spinifex: you can type "/topic" I think
[10:31] <malign-traps> mikekgr: It has more vowels.  How the heck should I know.  Do you want to find out why, or mull over that it doesn't work?
[10:32] <dabaSlon> xwtf are those programs, please tell me.
[10:32] <dooglus> tone: you can type /topic to see the topic in xchat (or in any other IRC client)
[10:32] <mikekgr> malign-traps: how can boot without X server please explain
[10:32] <Hatred> dabaSlon- " Xearth sets the X root window to an  image  of  the  Earth,  as  seen  from  your
[10:32] <Hatred>        favorite vantage point in space, correctly shaded for the current position of the un."
[10:32] <reisio> mikekgr: remove xdm from whatever runlevel it's in
[10:32] <Hatred> Sun *
[10:32] <spinifex> tone: don't be sorry, no problem, I was just being concise
[10:32] <barroso> Hi, i can't open or save OOo files in a remote SMB server through Gnome VFS. I've installed the package openoffice.org-gnomevfs but it didn
[10:33] <reisio> Hatred: ya...are you looking for help with something or just chatting?
[10:33] <malign-traps> When first loading.  Guys?  Help this guy boot the Live CD without running X.  I've never run the Live CD.
[10:33] <Hatred> reisio- looking for help :\
[10:33] <mikekgr> reisio: I tried to boot live cd ...
[10:33] <mpq> firefox randomly crashes when I run flash files
[10:33] <reisio> mikekgr: oh
[10:33] <reisio> mpq: neat
[10:33] <reisio> mpq: URL?
[10:33] <Hatred> reisio- any ideas?
[10:33] <mpq> sometimes when I open a flash file firefox just randomly closes without a error message or anything
[10:34] <Hatred> you said 'right click on your desktop'
[10:34] <Hatred> then what?
[10:34] <Hatred> lol
[10:34] <mpq> and then the sound screws up
[10:34] <dabaSlon> hatred, did you figure out hwo to get it on top?
[10:34] <malign-traps> mikekgr: When the CD first starts to load, it prompts you for various schemes.  Choose the one that says something like "No GUI."
[10:34] <Hatred> dabaSlon- get what on top?
[10:34] <topyli> mpq: flash is like that :)
[10:34] <dabaSlon> what do you ned help with?
[10:34] <spinifex> =p actually I haven't seen flash do that.  Only Java
[10:34] <Hatred> i want these applications to wrk
[10:34] <spinifex> I'd blame hardware for that
[10:34] <Hatred> they say they display on something called the 'x root window'
[10:35] <topyli> spinifex: yeah, actually java(script) is worse
[10:35] <dabaSlon> ok, so they are working, just onder your desktop, kk, I am gonna log out now to see it, I have one running. Maybe its a screen saver, hatred,.
[10:35] <Hatred> ii don't see them, until i shut down my computer, gdm quits and then i see them sitting behind everything in the background......
[10:35] <spinifex> javascript and java are completely different things.  Java applets is what I was referring to, which have a habit of crashing firefox
[10:35] <malign-traps> Hatred: You have several programs wanting to write to the root window.  Nautilus does, for instance.  It's a config option deep in gconf, IIRC.
[10:36] <mikekgr> malign-traps: OK I dont remember that but I will boot it once again to see it one more time BUT I did not remember any selection or cheat code like this...
[10:36] <spinifex> javascript only crashes it if you make it do too much and end up 'not responding' on the client's machine
[10:36] <reisio> spinifex: well that's because of bad programming :p
[10:36] <reisio> spinifex: usually :)
[10:36] <Hatred> malign-traps- gconf?
[10:36] <malign-traps> mikekgr: I'm pretty sure it's there.  Did you get what I said to do with the echo-control-Gs?
[10:36] <danko123456> opk, yeah, I see it.
[10:36] <danko123456> just a sec.
[10:36] <spinifex> no, the mere existence of java applets makes firefox more likely to crash
[10:37] <spinifex> especially on windows
[10:37] <reisio> windows is another anomoly :p
[10:37] <spinifex> hey, I've used windows a lot
[10:37] <danko123456> heyl who awsa wanting to force a version...
[10:37] <mikekgr> malign-traps: sait it one more time please  "echo-control-Gs?"
[10:37] <danko123456> with bitchx?
[10:37] <malign-traps> mikekgr:  Best plan:  Boot the CD without X, from one console, "while sleep 1; do echo ^G; done" .  From another, start X.  If the beeping stops, then it's the kernel.
[10:37] <danko123456> Package, force version in synaptic, right in the menu.
[10:38] <malign-traps> That "^G" is a control-G.
[10:38] <Hatred> malign-traps- what would you suggest I do?
[10:38] <mikekgr> malign-traps: OK thanks, I will try it.
[10:38] <Jeezis> having trouble with my wireless card, it's an belkin f5d6020 ver. 2. everytime i boot with the card in i get an error for the irq the card has
[10:39] <jbailey> omie: I've checked my i386 system that has hoary and hoary-updates, and I don't see it there at all.
[10:39] <danko123456> hatred, did you read the man page?
[10:39] <Hatred> for what exactly danko123456 ?
[10:39] <danko123456> lets say for xstarfish, cause that is the one I have installed.
[10:39] <danko123456> now,
[10:39] <flodine> can we update to kernel 2.6.12
[10:39] <reisio> Hatred: are you sure they're compatible with GNOME/Nautilus?
[10:39] <Hatred> danko123456- of course i have
[10:40] <reisio> Hatred: see technically Nautilus covers the entire root window
[10:40] <Hatred> aaah
[10:40] <spinifex> ...   what is the root window?
[10:40] <danko123456> ok, cause --display DISPLAY
[10:40] <danko123456>               Name of the target display.
[10:40] <danko123456> seeems like what may ghelp it.
[10:40] <Hatred> i see, so though they draw on the x root window, nautilus is over the top
[10:40] <Hatred> argh
[10:40] <Hatred> how furstrating
[10:40] <reisio> spinifex: the desktop, basically
[10:40] <reisio> Hatred: probably
[10:40] <Hatred> is tehre anyway to kill nautilus acting as a desktop?
[10:40] <danko123456> hatredm likely possible to fix.
[10:40] <reisio> Hatred: there's undoubtedly a way to fix it, but I don't know myself
[10:40] <reisio> Hatred: yes
[10:40] <dooglus> I can type "apt-get shorewall" to install it.  what can I type to completely uninstall it?
[10:40] <reisio> Hatred: there's a pref for nautilus somewhere
[10:41] <Hatred> lol 'somewhere'
[10:41] <reisio> Hatred: but hopefully you can make it work without losing your icons/etc on desktop
[10:41] <danko123456> apt-get remove -f?? package name?
[10:41] <flodine> hello
[10:41] <spinifex> so this xearth thing..  do I need to log out and in again to get it to show?
[10:41] <reisio> Hatred: well I've never done it :) I just know you can
[10:41] <danko123456> dooglus: man apt-get
[10:41] <reisio> flodine: lo
[10:41] <Hatred> lol, ty reisio i appreciate it :p
[10:41] <flodine> anyone with kernel 2.6.12
[10:41] <danko123456> spinifex: , yes./
[10:41] <spinifex> okay.  I shall
[10:41] <spinifex> brb
[10:41] <dooglus> danko123456: -f doesn't do it.  I've tried the manpage, but can't see anything about completely removing stuff, or about removing config files
[10:42] <reisio> Hatred: got it, 1sec
[10:42] <reisio> Hatred: item #12: http://spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/xfce4/index.php
[10:42] <Hatred> ty reisio
[10:43] <reisio> Hatred: so gconf: /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop
[10:43] <Hatred> gconf: /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop ?
[10:43] <reisio> Hatred: but really for things as popular as some of those programs, I would imagine you can get them to work without killing nautilus' desktop stuff
[10:43] <reisio> Hatred: set it to false
[10:44] <spinifex> uh, I don't see it
[10:44] <Hatred> ah ok cool
[10:44] <Hatred> ...
[10:44] <Hatred> how
[10:44] <Hatred> lol
[10:44] <reisio> Hatred: lol
[10:44] <Hatred> gconf: /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop false
[10:44] <Hatred> ?
[10:44] <reisio> Hatred: oh
[10:44] <Hatred> in a terminal
[10:44] <reisio> Hatred: Applications > System Tools > Configuration Editor
[10:45] <reisio> Hatred: oh I know - maybe you can set nautilus' desktop to transparent
[10:45] <malign-traps> No no no.
[10:46] <Hatred> no that works fine reisio
[10:46] <Hatred> i have no icons on my desktop anyhow
[10:46] <reisio> hrmmm maybe not
[10:46] <reisio> Hatred: ah okay :p
[10:46] <spinifex> okay, I'll try that then.  brb
[10:46] <Hatred> it's just a black blank screen, now i can use these applications and my xroot window to make things a little more interesting
[10:46] <Hatred> thatnkyou so much reisio i appreciate your help,
[10:46] <reisio> Hatred: there are also other things you can use to make launchers/icons on root window
[10:46] <Hatred> :D
[10:46] <reisio> Hatred: like idesk or something
[10:47] <danko123456> there it is...
[10:47] <danko123456> good stuff. Got the xroot to showe up:)
[10:47] <malign-traps> Hatred: Check out xscreensaver's modules, too.
[10:47] <Hatred> malign-traps- i'll do that now ;p
[10:47] <danko123456> very cool bg ...
[10:47] <danko123456> hatred what other ones did you mention, x what?
[10:48] <spinifex> nope, still don't see xearth.  Did I miss anything?
[10:48] <malign-traps> Hatred:  /usr/lib/xscreensaver/ifs -root
[10:48] <danko123456>  Applications > System Tools > Configuration Editor
[10:48] <dooglus> I have an external USB2 hard disk drive, but no USB2 ports.  So I bought a PCMCIA USB2 interface.  I plug the PCMCIA card into the laptop, and plug the hard drive into the card.  If I boot ubuntu with the card in, eth0 doesn't work.  eth0 works if I boot without the card, or if I boot with the card into Mandriva.  What gives?  How might I fix that?
[10:48] <danko123456>  /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop false
[10:48] <danko123456> do that, and it will work.
[10:48] <spinifex> I did that.  It didn't work
[10:48] <danko123456> you have to run the app as well.
[10:48] <spinifex> oh, run xearth?
[10:49] <Hatred> run xearth from a terminal window,
[10:49] <Hatred> Applications > System Tools > Configuration Editor
[10:49] <spinifex> ooooo
[10:49] <Hatred>  /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop false
[10:49] <spinifex> I see
[10:49] <Hatred> do that :p
[10:49] <Hatred> danko123456- xstarfish, xearth  and xgroach
[10:49] <danko123456> thanks,.
[10:49] <danko123456> :)
[10:50] <reisio> btw you guys
[10:50] <reisio> if you google "gnome xearth" I think there is information on making them play nice together
[10:51] <reisio> actually the first one I see says to do what we just did :p
[10:51] <reisio> so maybe it's more of a mystery than I thought
[10:52] <Hatred> hehe
[10:52] <reisio> I bet you can use the new Xorg transparency stuff to set the Nautilus desktop to be 100% transparent
[10:52] <malign-traps> No, only one client can grab the root window at once.
[10:52] <danko123456> how do you customize the xearth?
[10:52] <makkia> hello
[10:52] <reisio> malign-traps: the GNOME desktop isn't the root window
[10:52] <reisio> malign-traps: iirc
[10:52] <reisio> makkia: lo
[10:52] <malign-traps> Errr, I bet it is.
[10:53] <reisio> pretty sure it's on top
[10:53] <reisio> but it's academic
[10:53] <resiak> I'll bet that the icons sure as hell aren't on the root window.
[10:53] <makkia> is possible make automatic an installation of ubuntu and exectuing scripts during the installation ?
[10:53] <makkia> sorry my buggy english
[10:54] <Burgundavia> makkia, the Ubuntu installer supports kickstart
[10:54] <danko123456> try again, tho,. I didnt get the question.
[10:55] <deviant> can i write data on a NTFS partition ?
[10:55] <malign-traps> Yes.  From Linux, eh not so well.
[10:55] <mjr> short answer: no
[10:55] <mjr> long answer: yes, if you fiddle around with captive-ntfs or shell out bucks for a commercial ntfs implementation
[10:56] <malign-traps> deviant: It's really risky, using most implementations.  You'll fsck your data, eventually.
[10:56] <willis_> anyone able to do a remote install of the nvidia drivers ?
[10:56] <deviant> mjr: what do you think? is it safe if i use captiv-ntfs?
[10:57] <deviant> i have 100Gb partition, and i`m stuck with it :(
[10:57] <mjr> don't know personally; I've heard mixed reports about it
[10:57] <willis_> I need any good linux user to help me install the nvidia drivers ...
[10:59] <dooglus> malign-traps: I'm pretty sure that the gnome desktop isn't the X root window.
[10:59] <deviant> what was that command that compiles programs and does all the stuff by itself ?
[10:59] <willis_> any able to do a remote install of the nvidia drivers ?
[11:00] <malign-traps> dooglus, reisio:  You're right, according to xprop.
[11:00] <benkong2> willis_; I used this guide http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[11:00] <dooglus> malign-traps: I did some work on 'root-tail' a while back - that's a program that draws on the root window by default.  It didn't work in Gnome, for that very reason.
[11:01] <reisio> malign-traps: right about what?
[11:01] <reisio> oh the nautilus thing?
[11:01] <reisio> whatever :p
[11:02] <willis_> ill see if i can get it
[11:02] <benkong2> I installed LAMP and webmin...what is wrong that I get access denied and told to use https for webmin...https://localhost:10000 gets accessdenied also
[11:02] <dooglus> reisio: right about nautilus making its own 'root' window
[11:02] <makkia> Burgundavia: thanks !!
[11:02] <deviant> what was that command that compiles programs and does all the stuff by itself ?
[11:03] <benkong2> apt-get install???
[11:03] <reisio> lol
[11:03] <deviant> benkong2: lol. not that one :P
[11:03] <benkong2> deviant; k :-(
[11:03] <willis_> brb i hope
[11:04] <dooglus> deviant: do you mean "make"?
[11:04] <Burgundavia> makkia, np
[11:04] <deviant> benkong2: it compiles from the source cod, and does all the installation ..
[11:04] <deviant> dooglus: nop, is not make :(
[11:04] <malign-traps> G'night.
[11:04] <dooglus> deviant: or maybe "./configure"?
[11:04] <deviant> damn, i can`t remeber
[11:04] <benkong2> check dooglus
[11:04] <dooglus> deviant: what do you want to do?
[11:04] <novaflare> is there a way to install a rpm in ubuntu?
[11:04] <deviant> dooglus: basicaly, compile & install mplayer from source.
[11:04] <biovore> novaflare: yes
[11:04] <novaflare> how?
[11:04] <biovore> alien
[11:05] <dooglus> deviant: I would be surprised if the steps weren't: 1. ./configure   2. make
[11:05] <ogi_> so is it possible to get irssi working in ubuntu
[11:05] <biovore> its a package converter
[11:05] <reisio> ogi_: yes of course
[11:05] <novaflare> ok how to use it
[11:05] <biovore> apt-get install alien
[11:05] <novaflare> nvm prob on forums
[11:05] <biovore> then man alian
[11:05] <biovore> its fairly simple
[11:05] <dooglus> ogi_: just run "sudo apt-get install irssi", then run "irssi"
[11:05] <novaflare> o om isnt installed by default
[11:06] <biovore> not installed by default
[11:06] <deviant> dooglus: i saw it at this guy. he compiled and installed a dc++ client with one command. but in can`t remember which is it :P
[11:06] <biovore> but its in the package tree so just apt-get it..
[11:06] <Goonie> ok.. I need help choosing a good media player. Ubuntu is the only distro I have had problems with using mplayer
[11:06] <biovore> nother one... :-/
[11:06] <reisio> Goonie: fix mplayer
[11:06] <ogi_> dooglus, E: Package irssi has no installation candidate
[11:06] <deviant> Goonie: what kind of problems ?
[11:06] <dooglus> deviant: maybe there's some kind of apt-get magic that will download the source and compile it for you, I don't know (I'm new here)
[11:06] <biovore> everyone has problems with mplayer on here..
[11:07] <Goonie> deviant~ just crashes
[11:07] <biovore> I compiled it from source the deb sucks
[11:07] <benkong2> ok...I need some help when I type http://localhost/testphp.php in my firefox it asks to open with gedit. What did I do wrong?
[11:07] <biovore> apache isn't setup to handle php
[11:07] <abisen_> benkong2, install mod_php with apache
[11:07] <reisio> mplayer is an incredibly complex package
[11:07] <benkong2> also http://localhost gives me a directory listing instead of the default apache page
[11:07] <biovore> apt-get install libapache2-lib-php4 I belive
[11:07] <deviant> dooglus: i`m a newbie myself. the source were download before. he just enter in the dir, and typed that command :P
[11:07] <dooglus> ogi_: sorry, my bad.  "apt-install irssi-text"
[11:07] <reisio> I don't know how people can stand using binaries :p
[11:07] <novaflare> um can you give me a example on useing alient?
[11:08] <ogi_> thanks
[11:08] <benkong2> abisen; I used the forum how to and all is installed
[11:08] <dooglus> deviant: it was probably "make" that he typed then.  you generally have to "./configure" once - that looks around your system and sets things up based on where things are.  then "make" compiles everything.
[11:08] <deviant> Goonie: try to recompile. i have troubles with mplayer myself.
[11:08] <benkong2> I also have webmin installed and its looking for an https connection
[11:09] <dooglus> ogi_: you can find things for yourself.  on the 'system' menu, choose 'administration', then 'synaptic', then click 'search' and type 'irssi'.  you can install from there too
[11:09] <deviant> dooglus: hehe. i know how to compile a program. i`m not THAT newbie. i was just curious about that command.
[11:09] <deviant> ermm
[11:09] <NXTG_Jonathan> hello everybody, i have installed ndiswrapper and my dwl-g650+ driver, now what?
[11:10] <deviant> where can i find that bash history ?
[11:10] <ogi_> dooglus yes that's true
[11:10] <danko123456> NXTG_Jonathan: now read the rest of the wiki.
[11:11] <reisio> deviant: ~/.bash_history
[11:11] <apollo2011> Is it safe to format a swap partition in the ubuntu install if it is already a swap partition for suse?
[11:11] <deviant> reisio: aha, 10x :D
[11:11] <NXTG_Jonathan> i agree, but will it not be a problem that ubuntu has already found my wifi card?
[11:11] <NXTG_Jonathan> the reason i installed ndiswrapper is because the "link" led of my card is dead
[11:12] <NXTG_Jonathan> in winxp it is alive at boot
[11:12] <reisio> apollo2011: you don't format swap partitions
[11:12] <reisio> apollo2011: you just set them as swap and turn them on as swap
[11:14] <reisio> apollo2011: ie: an existing swap partition from another Linux install should work fine with most any other Linux
[11:14] <reisio> apollo2011: with no modification
[11:14] <reisio> as well as most unices
[11:15] <dooglus> what's the best way to add a new entry to the 'applications' menu?
[11:15] <reisio> dooglus: open nautilus, type "applications:///" into the location bar
[11:16] <dooglus> reisio: I'm not trying to be funny, but I've never run nautilus before.  Do you mean 'places -> home'?  If so, I don't see a location bar there.
[11:17] <reisio> dooglus: File Browser?
[11:17] <reisio> dooglus: y'know the thing that's like Windows Explorer?
[11:17] <deviant> yey
[11:18] <deviant> hey, guys, "scons" whas that command :D
[11:18] <dooglus> reisio: ok.  I mostly use the command line or Emacs for file browsing.
[11:18] <reisio> dooglus: just hit ALT+F2
[11:18] <reisio> dooglus: type in "nautilus"
[11:19] <dooglus> reisio: "applications:/// is not a valid location"
[11:19] <reisio> dooglus: you'll see a bar with "Location:" to the left
[11:19] <reisio> dooglus: applications:/// ?
[11:19] <dooglus> I see it - it's "Go To:".  but it doesn't like that path.
[11:19] <reisio> dooglus: Go To:? hrmmm
[11:19] <anto9us> dooglus: to enable the location bar in nautilus select Edit | Preferences | Behaviour | Always open in browser windows
[11:19] <dooglus> reisio: yes.
[11:19] <Fator_Dee> could it be case sensitive?
[11:19] <reisio> dooglus: is there a tree view on left?
[11:20] <Kleggas> is it possible to apt-get an older file from a repository than the newest?
[11:20] <dooglus> reisio: no.  there's a giant picture of a folder, with some information about it.
[11:20] <reisio> dooglus: that's what you got with ALT+F2 & "nautilus"?
[11:21] <dooglus> reisio: no.  that's what I get with Application->System Tools->File Browser
[11:21] <reisio> dooglus: hmmmff
[11:21] <dooglus> reisio: if I do ALT+F2 & nautilus I see a window which shows the contents on my home directory, but no location bar and nothing on the left at all.
[11:21] <reisio> dooglus: what version? (Help > About)
[11:22] <anto9us> Kleggas: I think this may help http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PinningHowto
[11:22] <dooglus> reisio: I can get the file browser to show a tree - I had to select 'tree' from the top of the left pane.  version 'nautilus 2.10.0'
[11:22] <reisio> dooglus: k
[11:22] <reisio> dooglus: and it says Go To: then an input bar, then like magnifying stuff?
[11:23] <Fator_Dee> dooglus: did you try Applications:/// ? (note the "A" instead of "a")
[11:23] <Kleggas> anto9us: thanx
[11:23] <anto9us> yw
[11:24] <tim-n00b> hi, i have installed wmcube, a dockapp displaying cpu load, it runs fine from the command line but has an ugly border around it. How can i remove the border?
[11:24] <dooglus> Fator_Dee: I hadn't, but I just did.  Interestingly I get the same error:  "applications:/// is not a valid location" (note the small 'a', even though I copy/pasted your address)
[11:24] <dooglus> lucky lucky scousers!  :)
[11:24] <Fator_Dee> dooglus: ok, interesting dilemma :-\
[11:24] <reisio> dooglus: hum, they must've changed some things between 2.8 & 2.10
[11:24] <reisio> dooglus: lemme query some gnome ppl
[11:24] <langela> hello
[11:25] <reisio> langela: lo
[11:25] <langela> someone here knows how can I configure my mysql driver for java?
[11:26] <Mahl> Hey is there an easy HTML maker for linux?? a WYSIWYG kind of?
[11:26] <dooglus> I installed the package 'nethack-gnome' - it's a game - but the icon to run it hasn't shown up in applications/games.  I wanted to add it manually, if possible.
[11:26] <jonathan_> someone who already knows if java is fully installed on ubuntu? for example, it is able to install LimeWire without any trouble?
[11:27] <anto9us> Mahl: tried openoffice?
[11:27] <K_Dallas> jonathan_, you could always install it and check it out
[11:27] <Mahl> Openoffice yeah...
[11:27] <K_Dallas> Mahl, quanta
[11:27] <Mahl> But im not good with HTML coding
[11:27] <Mahl> I used to be...forgot it
[11:27] <reisio> Mahl: nvu
[11:28] <reisio> http://nvu.com/
[11:28] <jonathan_> K_Dallas: if i could get my wifi working :(
[11:28] <K_Dallas> ok
[11:29] <K_Dallas> i am not running ubuntu right now but i think it was all right vis-a-vis java
[11:29] <jonathan_> K_Dallas: thx
[11:29] <mintee> has anyone used a qlogic HBA iscsi card?
[11:29] <Mahl> ok im gonna try NVU
[11:29] <jonathan_> Qt, always with a price?
[11:29] <reisio> Mahl: good idea
[11:29] <K_Dallas> nvu is pretty neat, not too complicated yet good
[11:29] <Mahl> Thanks :D
[11:29] <Mahl> Gonna build it from source...
[11:30] <reisio> Mahl: bully
[11:31] <Mahl> bully?
[11:31] <reisio> Mahl: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bully definition #2
[11:32] <McBain> Here's a quick question;  I just installed fluxbox with apt-get, but when I run it, '.xsession-errors' got filed with "file missing" type of errors.  Anyone knows where I should get those files or how to solve the problem ?
[11:32] <Mahl> Im not a bully *laughs*
[11:32] <reisio> Mahl: :p
[11:32] <reisio> Mahl: it means "great!" basically
[11:32] <Mahl> oh ok :p
[11:35] <reisio> dooglus: got it
[11:35] <dooglus> cool.  I haven't.  :)
[11:35] <reisio> dooglus: point your favorite text editor to /usr/share/applications
[11:35] <Spug> The GIMP segfaults every time it brings up the Save As dialog :/
[11:35] <reisio> dooglus: or find the package "smeg" a simple menu editor for GNOME
[11:35] <reisio> dooglus: no idea if it's available through apt
[11:36] <reisio> dooglus: http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[11:36] <dooglus> I don't think it's available through apt.
[11:37] <reisio> dooglus: http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/latest/smeg.deb
[11:38] <Spug> The GIMP segfaults and exits whenever I bring up the Save As window... I get the following error in a terminal:
[11:38] <deviant> how the hell do i get rid of the mplayer, after i compiled a new one ?
[11:38] <Spug> (script-fu:24950): LibGimpBase-WARNING **: script-fu: wire_read(): error
[11:38] <Spug> Segmentation fault
[11:38] <reisio> deviant: I assume there is some opposite of apt-get install
[11:38] <reisio> deviant: read man pages
[11:38] <deviant> reisio: yeah, apt-get remove :P
[11:38] <Spug> sudo apt-get remove --purge mplayer
[11:39] <Spug> ?
[11:39] <Fator_Dee> reisio: I think he didn't apt-get it
[11:39] <deviant> reisio: but what to revove ?
[11:39] <Troy_> hey guys
[11:39] <Fator_Dee> or did he?
[11:39] <Troy_> I need help getting ubuntu to see my usb hdd
[11:39] <deviant> Spug: ok, let me try it :P
[11:39] <Troy_> I plugged it in, but nothing...
[11:39] <reisio> deviant: heh, would've been easier if you removed _then_ compiled new
[11:39] <Troy_> :(
[11:39] <dooglus> reisio: thanks a lot.  it looks like I just need to copy an existing .desktop file from /usr/share/applications and edit it to fit...
[11:39] <admrl> will spca5xx work on the the kernel 2.6.11
[11:39] <reisio> dooglus: ya sorry, they changed a lot between 2.8 & 2.10
[11:39] <admrl> does anyone know..?
[11:40] <dooglus> reisio: why would you be running 2.8?  doesn't the update system keep you up to date with the current apt version?
[11:40] <deviant> Spug: Package mplayer is not installed, so not removed
[11:40] <deviant>  :D
[11:40] <Spug> :o
[11:40] <Spug> Did you apt-get it?
[11:40] <deviant> Spug: yeah, i think so ...
[11:41] <toran> hey guys, I'm having some stablity problem with my netgear prism-based wireless card.
[11:41] <toran> It worked out of the box, but..
[11:41] <reisio> dooglus: I'm using Gentoo - 2.10 is still 'unstable'
[11:41] <Spug> Does anyone know of a graphics program I can paste a picture into and save, since GIMP segfaults?
[11:41] <Spug> deviant: Oh, hmm, it's probably called mplayer-386
[11:41] <toran> whenever I transfer over the network at a high speed (maybe.. above 200k/sec) it eventually locks up
[11:41] <toran> I see in dmesg "Error -6 transmitting packet"
[11:41] <reisio> dooglus: I could still install it, but I don't really have any reason to - I can wait
[11:41] <toran> or something like that
[11:41] <toran> does anyone know of some alternative drivers I could use?
[11:42] <Spug> deviant, if you installed the 386 version of mplayer: sudo apt-get remove --purge mplayer-386
[11:42] <toran> I have a netgear ma311 802.11b wireless card, it's prism based
[11:42] <dooglus> reisio: oh, I see.  I tried to install gentoo before I installed ubuntu yesterday, but the kernel kept 'panic'ing when I tried to boot it, so I gave up and tried ubuntu instead.
[11:42] <Troy_> can anyone help with the usb hdd issue? Also, I would like to know of any apps for mp3 playback. Did not like amarok, xmms, juk or rhythmbox
[11:42] <dooglus> Troy_: mplayer?
[11:42] <poningru> hi guys got a prob
[11:43] <Spug> Does anyone know of a graphics program I can paste a picture into and save, since GIMP segfaults?
[11:43] <reisio> toran: you'll want to get GIMP fixed, but there is cinepaint
[11:43] <deviant> Troy_: try beep-media-player :)
[11:43] <Troy_> i will try it... I am a musicmatch user from windoze days, and I would like to have something like that...
[11:43] <dooglus> Troy_: you can put 'quiet=yes' in ~/.mplayer/config and then it's a great mp3 player - just plays tunes without any annoying output.
[11:43] <reisio> toran: which is a fork of GIMP
[11:43] <K_Dallas> Troy_, why did you not like those ones? mplayer is mostly a command line thingie
[11:43] <toran> reisio: I think you want to talk to Spug
[11:43] <K_Dallas> dooglus, what does quiet do?
[11:43] <reisio> toran: ah, heheh
[11:43] <dooglus> K_Dallas: it stops it printing stuff while it plays
[11:43] <poningru> hey guys I have a prob
[11:44] <Troy_> Well, I was big on the way that MMJB worked. I liked having the library right there, with tracks easy to get to. I use it to DJ with
[11:44] <K_Dallas> so can i run it like mplayer *mp3 &
[11:44] <Spug> reisio: Well, if you want to help me get GIMP fixed... ;) But okay, I'll check out cinepaint
[11:44] <poningru> the prob is that when I tried to ssh into a server
[11:44] <K_Dallas> Troy_, i think mplayer would not be your friend then
[11:44] <reisio> Spug: you just need to save a picture?
[11:44] <K_Dallas> but i might be wrong ;)
[11:44] <reisio> Spug: can't you right-click and download?
[11:44] <poningru> there was a prompt saying this has this key and do you want to connect?
[11:44] <toran> hmm... would the linux-wlan-ng drivers work with my PCI-based card?
[11:44] <poningru> well here here is the whole thing
[11:44] <poningru> The authenticity of host 'plaza.ufl.edu (128.227.74.66)' can't be established.
[11:44] <poningru> RSA1 key fingerprint is xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx.
[11:44] <poningru> Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? y
[11:44] <poningru> Please type 'yes' or 'no': yes
[11:44] <poningru> Warning: Permanently added 'plaza.ufl.edu,128.227.74.66' (RSA1) to the list of known hosts.
[11:44] <Spug> reisio: I have to crop it and resize it first
[11:44] <toran> orinoco works, but it locks my computer up sometimes and is driving me insane
[11:44] <Spug> So I just need a simple program
[11:45] <poningru> how do I remove the thing from list of known hosts
[11:45] <Fator_Dee> poningru: I think it's in ~/.ssh/known_hosts
[11:45] <poningru> ok thanks dude
[11:46] <toran> hmm... would the linux-wlan-ng drivers work with my PCI-based card?
[11:46] <poningru> let me go check
[11:46] <reisio> Spug: kpaint, tuxpaint, xpaint, gpaint, killustrator, graphtool
[11:46] <reisio> Spug: one of those
[11:46] <Spug> Thanks :)
[11:46] <Seveas> toran, linux-wlan-ng is for prism chips
[11:46] <reisio> Spug: kpaint looks like it needs Qt stuff, so you might skip that one :p
[11:46] <poningru> yep thats it
[11:46] <Spug> Yeah, OK :)
[11:46] <toran> Seveas: yeah, mine's prism
[11:46] <poningru> thanks Fator_Dee
[11:46] <Spug> I kinda figured from the K
[11:46] <reisio> unless you have/like qt
[11:46] <Fator_Dee> np
[11:46] <Seveas> then it might work
[11:46] <reisio> Spug: :p
[11:46] <toran> Seveas: is it not as good as orinoco? why is one used over the other, by default?
[11:47] <Seveas> toran, no idea actually...
[11:47] <toran> thanks :)
[11:47] <Spug> deviant: Did you manage to remove it?
[11:48] <willis_> whats the command to install a run file
[11:48] <deviant> Spug: yeah
[11:48] <caonex> I am trying to use automounter (autofs) and whenever I try to access 3 of the resources, I get the file not found error. However, two of the actually work, and they are fat32 partitions. The others are ntfs, is there a problem with ntfs and autofs?
[11:48] <Spug> OK, great
[11:48] <willis_> trying to install enemy terratory on linux ... "a run file type"
[11:48] <Seveas> willis_, what do you mean?
[11:48] <Seveas> ah
[11:49] <Seveas> willis_, sh filename will usually do
[11:49] <willis_> etf_1.3-english.run
[11:49] <willis_> thank you
[11:49] <shadeofgrey> does anybody know of a channel dedicated to openoffice use?
[11:49] <mintee> has anyone used a qlogic HBA iscsi card?
[11:50] <Fator_Dee> shadeofgrey: #openoffice in this server?
[11:50] <shadeofgrey> i tried that
[11:50] <Fator_Dee> ok
[11:50] <shadeofgrey> it didnt have anybody in it, and doesnt seem to be a regidstered channel
[11:50] <Seveas> #ooo ?
[11:50] <willis_> anyone know where to get enemy teratory full virision ... without a membership or signup ?
[11:50] <Seveas> or #openoffice.org
[11:51] <Seveas> willis_, we do NOT support copyright infringmrnt in here
[11:51] <Fator_Dee> Seveas: it's free?
[11:51] <willis_> et is free
[11:51] <Fator_Dee> as in, you don't have to pay for it
[11:51] <willis_> enemy terratory is free .. no pay at all ..
[11:51] <darkaudit> Seveas: Enemy Territory is free
[11:51] <Fator_Dee> http://www.mrbass.org/enemyterritory/
[11:51] <Seveas> well, if it is free only if you signup, getting one without signing up is copyright infringment
[11:52] <Fator_Dee> is that so?
[11:52] <Seveas> absolutely
[11:52] <willis_> all the stupid download site want you to sign up or join ...
[11:52] <Fator_Dee> but you can get it without signing up so...
[11:52] <Fator_Dee> it's free, no copyright infringing involved
[11:52] <darkaudit> Seveas: sign up for what? AFAIK there isn't anything to sign up for
[11:52] <Fator_Dee> there's a bittorrent tracker by the developers also, so...
[11:52] <Seveas>  Fator_Dee if you can get it from an official source without signing up, then forget what i said. willis_ gave me the impression that signing up was needed
[11:53] <willis_> thats why i ask for the link ... and thank you for it ..
[11:53] <naderman> anybody knows a nice gui for cvs?
[11:53] <Fator_Dee> Seveas: it's available on sites such as gamespy.com and the likes
[11:53] <willis_> just the gamespy network .. if you want to download from them .. file shack same way
[11:53] <naderman> (I didn't like lincvs and gcvs)
[11:54] <Fator_Dee> Seveas: and I meant to add that you have to sign up to those sites :-)
[11:54] <willis_> like ubuntu say ... best software if free ... ;)
[11:54] <Fator_Dee> http://zerowing.idsoftware.com:6969/ there's idsoftware's tracker
[11:54] <K_Dallas> willis_, that is not true on all occasions but for many of the tools we use on a daily basis, i would say yes
[11:55] <mdipi> Hey guys, I have an install question, anyone think they can help?
[11:55] <anto9us> mdipi: it all depends on your question :)
[11:55] <K_Dallas> ;)
[11:56] <Seveas> mdipi, read the topic: just ask
[11:56] <Anubis> Seveas, no one EVER reads the Topic you know that;)
[11:56] <mdipi> whoops, sorry. Is it possible to install Ubuntu to a FW drive? if so how can i select that partition from the install?
[11:56] <Seveas> Anubis, sad but teue
[11:57] <Troy_> guys... beep looks to be little more than a skin for xmms/winamp
[11:57] <anto9us> mdipi: I imagine so but I guess your /boot wouldn't be able to reside on it
[11:58] <Anubis> Troy_, exactly
[11:58] <Troy_> ouch
[11:58] <Fator_Dee> Troy_: I think it's completely a new build with a same look
[11:58] <Anubis> Troy_, IMO not as good either
[11:58] <Troy_> is there anything in linux that is more like MusicMatch? I need easier access to the mp3 files that I use, and I want to get away from M$
[11:58] <mdipi> Hm, darnit, i was hoping to be able to boot off of it too
[11:58] <Fator_Dee> have you tried rhythmbox already?
[11:59] <Anubis> Troy_, IMO not as good either
[11:59] <naderman> nobody got an idea on a nice gui client for cvs? :(
[11:59] <anto9us> mdipi: I'm a lightweight helper, I could be wrong :)
[11:59] <Anubis> Troy_, Rythmbox in Gnome
[11:59] <Troy_> not as good as xmms?
[11:59] <Anubis> Troy_, Amaroth in KDE
[11:59] <mdipi> It's more help than i've found so far :-D
[11:59] <Troy_> I tried rhythmbox, but Im not too keen on how it lists the library... maybe i am asking too much
[11:59] <dooglus> whoever was asking, the enemy territory site accepts "@dodgeit.com" email addresses, so you don't need to register your real email address
[11:59] <willis_> i hated seeing loki go out of business
[11:59] <Anubis> Troy_, install em all and chose yourself
[12:00] <Troy_> is amaroth amarok for kde