[12:05] <cartel_> gah
[12:06] <cartel_> etf
[12:06] <cartel_> wtf
[12:06] <cartel_> malone sux
[12:10] <uniq> cartel_: i can confirm the bug for breezy.
[12:10] <uniq> same problem.
[12:13] <cartel_> i dont really want to lose too much time by upgrading to breezy
[12:13] <cartel_> yet
[12:13] <uniq> don't.. i wouldn't recommend it.
[12:13] <uniq> i would rather recommend not to upgrade.
[12:14] <cartel_> i can throw up a xen instance to test it 
[12:14] <cartel_> if required
[12:14] <uniq> well.. i'll call it a day.. 
[12:14] <uniq> gnite.
[12:15] <cartel_> later uniq.
[12:15] <cartel_> eric >>>> kdevelop
[09:41] <JRe> ningmor
[10:12] <JRe> Riddell: you think it's possible for my little app to be hosted on a kde server?
[11:06] <Riddell> JRe: which app?
[11:06] <JRe> Riddell: plugged device notificator
[11:07] <Riddell> JRe: what sort of hosting are you looking for?
[11:08] <JRe> Riddell: svn + web
[11:09] <Riddell> JRe: do you know how to set up an svn server?
[11:10] <JRe> i never did it but i have the doc
[11:10] <JRe> ;)
[11:11] <JRe> Riddell: i'm asking that because i saw few time ago that kde was hosting kde related project
[11:12] <Riddell> JRe: generally kde only host projects from people they know, and only give our accounts to people who have already sent patches etc
[11:12] <JRe> okay
[11:12] <Riddell> so for something like this I suspect it's either sourceforge or me setting up subversion on my server
[11:13] <JRe> i can use sourceforge, altough i dislike cvs, and i will send patch to kde ;)
[11:14] <JRe> patch both related to kubuntu and kde (two thing in one shot!)
[11:18] <Riddell> what's the patch?
[11:20] <JRe> Riddell: i don't, i will do a bunch of bug hunting on the trackers ;)
[11:21] <JRe> Riddell: trying to find one that i can fix :)
[11:28] <Riddell> he he :)
[01:21] <hunger> A new kdepim is uploaded!
[01:24] <hunger> Gna.org offers svn in a sourceforge like system.
[01:28] <KaiL> hmm, new kernel? 2.6.12-rc5?
[01:43] <KaiL> hunger: already updated?
[01:52] <hunger> KaiL: Nope... I need kpdf at the moment and that will get uninstalled if I updated.
[01:54] <KaiL> I'd miss amarok
[01:54] <hunger> KaiL: I don't mind that one.
[01:54] <hunger> KaiL: I do not listen to music anyway.
[02:08] <KaiL> hmm
[02:08] <KaiL> artsd is a bit crashy
[02:09] <JRe> ,9
[02:09] <JRe> ;)
[02:09] <KaiL> how do I disable that f*cking thing?
[02:09] <JRe> KaiL: what?
[02:10] <KaiL> artsd
[02:10] <KaiL> mv /usr/bin/artsd /usr/bin/artsd.shutup << helps :))
[02:11] <JRe> ;) ;) ;)
[02:13] <KaiL> juk crashes on startup :(
[02:14] <KaiL> konqueror too btw
[02:24] <JRe> oula breezy?
[02:26] <KaiL> yes
[02:29] <JRe> evrything just broke today?
[02:30] <KaiL> the big kde update...
[02:34] <JRe> okay
[02:34] <JRe> 3.4.1?
[02:35] <KaiL> JRe: the broken parts are still 3.4.0
[02:35] <JRe> okay
[02:35] <KaiL> Riddell: does kdebase 3.4.1 work better than 3.4.0?
[02:35] <KaiL> maybe is even usable? :)
[02:37] <Riddell> new kdegraphics uploaded, new kdebase uploaded, maybe it'll all work in a few hours :)
[02:37] <KaiL> arts? :)
[02:38] <Riddell> arts is already 1.4.1
[02:38] <JRe> :)
[02:38] <KaiL> 1.4.1pre, or?
[02:38] <Riddell> pre just means KDE hasn't released it yet so we can't call it final
[02:39] <JRe> normal
[02:39] <KaiL> does it workn fo you?
[02:39] <KaiL> hmm, apt-get update gets silly
[02:42] <JRe> hum bug hunting in the kubuntu bugs is not so easy ;)
[02:42] <KaiL> why?
[02:44] <JRe> because there is many bugs hard to fix
[02:44] <JRe> ;)
[02:45] <KaiL> problem are all the "xyz won't install because of abc" bugs in breezy, which are currently useless...
[02:46] <JRe> ;)
[02:50] <JRe> how there is a junior job section in the kde bug tracker
[02:50] <JRe> ;)
[02:56] <JRe> the most hated bugs!
[02:57] <Riddell> fixing Umbrello beasties gives you extra points
[02:59] <JRe> ;)
[03:10] <hunger> JRe: gna.org offers svn repositories in a sourceforge like package. FWIW...
[03:10] <JRe> hunger: how cool! next time i check gna it was cvs
[03:11] <JRe> s/next/last
[03:14] <JRe> Riddell: okay i found my bug ;)
[03:17] <Riddell> JRe: what's that?
[03:18] <JRe> Riddell: 67719 (will surely be tagged as wishlist)
[03:20] <Riddell> yay!
[03:27] <JRe> Riddell: wow the umbrello code is very clean :)
[03:28] <Riddell> you probably won't say that after working with it for 3 years
[03:30] <JRe> when umbrello development really started?
[03:32] <doko> Riddelllll!!
[03:32] <doko> kcontrol depends on xlibmesa-glu or libglu1
[03:33] <doko> Riddell: ^^^
[03:34] <doko> nasty
[03:35] <JRe> ;)
[03:35] <doko> Riddell, amu: it's strange not to see a kdebase4-lib package, and you always have to install all the crappy applications on the buildd ...
[03:40] <uniq> yay.. got my ibook :)
[03:52] <Riddell> doko: which should it depend on?
[03:55] <doko> libglu1-xorg | libglu1
[04:42] <JRe> Riddell: okay i'm near to have killed your bugs ;)
[04:43] <JRe> s/bugs/wishlist bug/
[04:45] <JRe> i just wonder why setItalic set also the text in bold :(
[04:57] <JRe> Riddell: whish kill where do i send the patch ?
[04:57] <Riddell> JRe: uml-devel@lists.sf.net
[04:58] <JRe> Riddell: don't forget my extra point ;) ;) ;)
[05:01] <JRe> Riddell: BTW the way i don't if creating abstract use case is authorized in uml ;)
[05:02] <Riddell> I think it is
[05:13] <Riddell> new kdebase seems to have doko's suggested libglu changes
[05:13] <doko> Riddell, ok
[05:15] <Riddell> but not xscreensaver-gl for kdeartwork
[05:42] <JRe> Riddell: btw you have made a uml diagram of umbrello ;) ?
[05:45] <Riddell> http://uml.sourceforge.net/developers/umbrello-class-diagram.png
[05:45] <Riddell> I had a more extensive one but it got out of date
[05:45] <Riddell> if you make a documentation generator for Umbrello you get cookies
[05:48] <JRe> :)
[07:18] <Riddell> kubuntu junior job https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11206
[07:30] <KaiL_> quite problematic, as both need that files
[07:32] <Riddell> you probably need to patch knemo to use a different name
[07:33] <Riddell> or install it in /usr/share/apps/knemo/icons
[08:13] <uniq> amu: how do you set the 'modifier key' to make the mouse button act as second mousebutton in kde?
[08:13] <uniq> on the ibook.
[08:26] <doko> Riddell, kdebase-dev is still uninstallable on i386, see http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/breezy_probs.html  Could you check in a clean chroot?
[08:28] <Riddell> doko: that page only mentions 3.4.0-0ubuntu21, the latest upload of kdebase is 3.4.1-0ubuntu0pre3
[08:31] <doko> hmm, yes, strange
[09:41] <KaiL_> grr, kdegraphics successfull build 14:30 - not in archives
[09:42] <KaiL_> grr, kdebase successfull build 15:30 - not in archives
[09:44] <Riddell> elmo: any idea why kdebase et al arn't getting into archives on i386?
[11:10] <hunger> Wow, the 3.4.1 debs are starting to show up.
[11:22] <Riddell> hunger: we are wondering the same thing :)
[11:23] <hunger> Riddell: Who can help? elmo?
[11:35] <zulu> anyone had this problem when synaptic updates
[11:35] <zulu> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4-0x1.6b7820000005ap-1363.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf