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| pointwood | anyone else experienced problems with firefox? like ie. not being able to delete any bookmarks or cookies? | 12:13 |
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| uniq | well.. i'll call it a day.. gnite. | 12:15 |
| SlicerDicer- | well I usto have that with internet explorer back in the day when I used windows pointwood | 12:17 |
| pointwood | that's really a bit help SlicerDicer ;) | 12:18 |
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| AMIGrAve | got a default 75dpi detection by xorg but fonts under gtk apps are too small ( http://amigrave.com/upload/posts/ubuntu/snapshot1.png ) should I force the use of a bigger dpi setting or is there another way ? | 12:21 |
| SlicerDicer- | pointwood, sorry I dont know otherwise lol | 12:28 |
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| apollo2011_ | Where is the grub config files stored on kubuntu? it incorrectly detected my suse os, because I also had a Xen entry which doesn't work. I would rahter use the SuSE grub loader anyway. I need to know the info to manually add kubuntu to suse grub | 12:57 |
| apollo2011_ | nvm, found the menu.lst in boot/grub | 12:58 |
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| Blissex | AMIGrAve: you can force a bigger DPI but it is better to do things properly... Things are a bit of a mess though. | 01:15 |
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| N17r0 | anyone knows where the profile folder for firefox is located in kubuntu ? | 01:19 |
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| apollo2011 | How do I install the nvidia driver and get 3d support? | 01:28 |
| apollo2011 | How do I install the nvidia driver and get 3d support? | 01:31 |
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| alonso | Hellooooooooooo | 01:34 |
| alonso | how do i fuckinh use this | 01:34 |
| alonso | ? | 01:34 |
| alonso | can anyone ready my messages or I'm invisible | 01:35 |
| darut | you 're visible | 01:35 |
| alonso | yayyyy | 01:36 |
| alonso | where can I get some help with my distro? | 01:36 |
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| sirukin | hmm | 01:48 |
| sirukin | I'm compiling subversion, it needs the berkeley db | 01:48 |
| sirukin | what's it in the apt repositories? | 01:49 |
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| transgress | okay when hotplugging my external hard drive into my desktop dmesg spits this at me: | 02:04 |
| transgress | end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 0 | 02:04 |
| transgress | Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 0 | 02:04 |
| transgress | i just reformatted this drive as it was ntfs and i thought that to be the problem | 02:04 |
| transgress | but it's not... and the only thing that seems to want to mount it is gnome | 02:04 |
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| transgress | bleh | 02:16 |
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| toonX | got a strange problem with kubuntu , the artsd keeps crashing and crashing ! can't play anything in Kaffeine or amaroK! | 02:22 |
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| toonX | xmms is about the only music program that "works" with artsd | 02:23 |
| toonX | any ideas? | 02:23 |
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| Vjaz | Hi. I'm wondering, is there any significant difference between installing Kubuntu or installing Ubuntu and then installing KDE (and removing Gnome)? | 02:32 |
| Vjaz | I'm interested in trying Kubuntu out, but I want to know if I'm missing out on something if I just install KDE on my Ubuntu bo. | 02:33 |
| Vjaz | box* | 02:33 |
| Vjaz | So if I do an 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop', is the result mostly the same as installing Kubuntu from scratch? | 02:36 |
| crimsun | essentially. | 02:38 |
| Vjaz | Good. | 02:39 |
| Vjaz | I guess I might need to change GDM to KDM myself? | 02:40 |
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| N17R0 | alright i have Kubuntu, and i downloaded the newest firefox .tar.gz and run the setup and then i choose to let it install to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox. But i can't run it via the KDE menu, only via console with ./firefox command. So i remove the folder mozilla-firefox to install it on the official way using kynaptic, but now i cant run it at all even with the ./firefox command it aint working. | 03:00 |
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| transgress | N17R0: why not add it when the menu config? | 03:18 |
| N17R0 | u mean kde menu? | 03:18 |
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| N17R0 | i did that but its not starting | 03:19 |
| leandro_ | Hi. I would like to install libvisual to get visualizations on amarok. I couldn't find the packge. I have universe and multiverse in my sources.list. This packege is avaliable for kubuntu? | 03:20 |
| crimsun | leandro_: no, it's not | 03:24 |
| leandro_ | Does anyone tried touse a package from debian? It wirks? | 03:28 |
| leandro_ | this package (libvisual | 03:28 |
| crimsun | I'd recompile it for Kubuntu | 03:29 |
| leandro_ | Yes. It is a better idea. | 03:33 |
| N17R0 | is it safe to install software from the backport ftp ? | 03:49 |
| N17R0 | what is backport for ? | 03:49 |
| crimsun | I'd avoid it | 03:49 |
| crimsun | whether it's safe is not something I can answer | 03:50 |
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| N17R0 | ok, but is it something like release candidates before the being added to the official repersotry ? | 03:51 |
| N17R0 | i mean what is the purpose of the backports ? | 03:52 |
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| Vjaz | Is it possible to get Opera like "rocker" gestures for moving back and forth in history for Konqueror? | 03:54 |
| Vjaz | Hold left button, press right button for forward, and hold right button, press left button for back. | 03:55 |
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| Brazmetal | does anybody here stream audio? | 04:30 |
| crimsun | I do | 04:30 |
| sirukin | I stream my audio to uranus! | 04:31 |
| Brazmetal | crimsun, what do you use? | 04:32 |
| sirukin | I use a stethascope and headphones. | 04:33 |
| crimsun | I use ices2 and icecast2 | 04:33 |
| crimsun | for the decoder, usually ogg123, mpg321, or faad | 04:33 |
| Brazmetal | crimsun, do you mean the encoder, don't you? | 04:34 |
| Brazmetal | man, I have a problem.. | 04:34 |
| Brazmetal | I use shoutcast... And I can stream audio | 04:34 |
| Brazmetal | using the sc_trans encoder | 04:34 |
| Brazmetal | or the muse-stremer... | 04:34 |
| crimsun | Brazmetal: no - ogg123, mpg321, and faad are all decoders | 04:35 |
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| Brazmetal | but I have some problems with hese apps | 04:35 |
| crimsun | Brazmetal: ices2 is the encoder | 04:35 |
| Furic | Hey linux people | 04:35 |
| Brazmetal | crimsun, ah... and why do you need a decoder to stream audio?: | 04:35 |
| Furic | im looking to have ubuntu wallpapers in kdesktop, where can i find them in my system, ubuntu-artwork is installed | 04:35 |
| crimsun | Brazmetal: because the music files are on a remote drive | 04:36 |
| Brazmetal | ahhh | 04:36 |
| crimsun | they have to be decoded to stdout and fed to ices2 | 04:36 |
| Brazmetal | ah I understand | 04:36 |
| Brazmetal | so, How is Ices2? | 04:36 |
| Furic | oh nevermind, i found em | 04:37 |
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| Brazmetal | i mean... is it capable of chosing songs at any moment? Can I stream my microphone input too? | 04:37 |
| crimsun | Brazmetal: works well enough for my personal tastes | 04:37 |
| crimsun | Brazmetal: ices2 is only an encoder. It doesn't shuffle, repeat, or whatever. | 04:38 |
| crimsun | Yes, you can grab from mic input. | 04:38 |
| Brazmetal | crimsun, so what do you do to have these options? | 04:38 |
| crimsun | You'd configure alsamixer, arecord to stdout -> ices2's stdin | 04:39 |
| Brazmetal | ehehhehe complicated | 04:39 |
| crimsun | not really | 04:41 |
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| verden01 | Hey | 04:53 |
| cantenna | hey verden01 | 04:54 |
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| Brazmetal | for the users of Kubuntu... Using the lastest versions of kde I could realize that when an app freezes, and you try to close it, few seconds after, a dialog appears asking if you want to kill the app... But this is not happening with Kubuntu...What's the problem? | 05:00 |
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| Morandir | anyone around? | 05:54 |
| Morandir | having issues with kernel panic after apt-get upgrade... | 06:02 |
| Morandir | yep | 06:09 |
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| Morandir | sooooo | 07:17 |
| Morandir | bout that kernel.. anyone around? | 07:17 |
| sirukin | hmm | 07:18 |
| sirukin | anyone sucessful with bootsplash and ubuntu? | 07:19 |
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| Morandir | im not even sucessful w/ubuntu atm... | 07:22 |
| Morandir | the kernel keeps panicing... | 07:22 |
| Morandir | :( | 07:22 |
| nate__ | thats weird | 07:23 |
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| Morandir | yeah | 07:25 |
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| Morandir | and his 5L keg of Heinekien | 07:26 |
| zenum | does anyone know how to make the windows button bring up the KDE menu? | 07:26 |
| brandonn | zenum: http://docsrv.sco.com:8457/en/kdefaq/configure.html#AEN1914 | 07:35 |
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| zenum | hrmmm that site doesnt seem to be loading... | 07:41 |
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| zenum | nvm, just a proxy prblem | 07:42 |
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| wsg | anyone know the link to the nvidia installer for ubuntu | 07:48 |
| nate__ | wsg, google.com/linux | 07:52 |
| nate__ | wsg, there is an ubuntu repository with it | 07:53 |
| Morandir | anyone else have trouple with the 2.6?.10 kernel? | 07:53 |
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| sirukin | http://kalatlug.nanofreesoft.org/Projects/splashy/relases/splashy_0.1-5_i386.deb | 08:14 |
| SlicerDicer- | anybody have a idea why something would be working I kill X cause its locked then when it comes back up libSDL is gone AWOL | 08:15 |
| sirukin | I've been having a few problems with either x or kde as well | 08:15 |
| sirukin | specifically with the handling of large urls in firefox | 08:15 |
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| sirukin | I bid thee all goodnight. *bows* | 08:27 |
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| Ghetek | anybody know of a good apt-getable program that does stuff with html, something like dreamweaver? | 09:09 |
| Tm_T | Ghetek: quanta+ | 09:10 |
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| Tezkah | am I allowed to be in this room while I use icewm? | 09:14 |
| Tezkah | I should probably be banned | 09:14 |
| Tm_T | haha | 09:15 |
| Tm_T | yes you should!!1 | 09:15 |
| Tm_T | ;p | 09:15 |
| Tm_T | hey, I use WMaker sometimes | 09:15 |
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| phxguy | Can Someone Help me out.... My Kubuntu won't Boot | 09:24 |
| Tm_T | hmm, at all? | 09:30 |
| phxguy | I just a kernal upgrade from synaptic and now i get a kernal panic | 09:31 |
| Tm_T | ok, so you got wrong/broken kernel | 09:32 |
| Tm_T | boot to other kernel then | 09:32 |
| phxguy | they do the same thing | 09:32 |
| Tm_T | eh? | 09:32 |
| Tm_T | oh please tell you have 2.6.10.5 there too? | 09:33 |
| Tm_T | I mean 2.6.10-5 | 09:33 |
| phxguy | yup 2-6-10-5 | 09:33 |
| Tm_T | and it doesn't work? | 09:33 |
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| phxguy | nope doesn't boot... kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) on boot | 09:34 |
| Tm_T | ah! | 09:34 |
| Tm_T | :o | 09:34 |
| phxguy | apparently the latest kernal from the ubuntu ppl is broken... There is already a bug report on it | 09:35 |
| Tm_T | hmm | 09:35 |
| Morandir | phxguy! | 09:35 |
| phxguy | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11135 | 09:35 |
| Tm_T | I don't know about it, haven't boot this week yet | 09:35 |
| Morandir | I'm haveing the same problem right now | 09:35 |
| Morandir | -e | 09:36 |
| phxguy | yup this sux really big donkey dick | 09:36 |
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| Tm_T | oh no :o | 09:37 |
| Tm_T | note to self: don't boot yet ;p | 09:38 |
| phxguy | yeah DONT BOOT | 09:38 |
| phxguy | OR youll be screwed like me | 09:38 |
| Tm_T | well, no need to reboot =) | 09:38 |
| Tm_T | and I don't think I'm in trouble, I have other kernels that works ok | 09:39 |
| Tm_T | 2.6.11 stuff | 09:39 |
| Tm_T | they didn't broke them yet ;p | 09:39 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: ping | 09:39 |
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| Gonzalo | I don't know if this is the place to do it or if any of the developers hang out here. | 09:40 |
| Gonzalo | But Kubuntu is one of the finest distributions I have ever used. | 09:40 |
| Tm_T | heh | 09:41 |
| DiabloD3 | ubuntu does rock quite hard | 09:41 |
| Gonzalo | I tried it, sort of reluctantly, and have been using it for 2 months now. Not once has it frozen on me. It is the most pleasant distro I have ever used. | 09:41 |
| Morandir | for some of us its being a pain in th @$$ right now | 09:41 |
| Gonzalo | Morandir: why? | 09:41 |
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| Gonzalo | I have been using it intensely for a while and I wasn't a believer. :) | 09:42 |
| Morandir | 1. update kernel - kernel panic | 09:42 |
| Morandir | 2. switch resolution machine freezes | 09:42 |
| Tm_T | :o | 09:42 |
| Morandir | 3. install latest ati drivers, apps dont work | 09:42 |
| Gonzalo | Morandir: Don't scare me, because the last thing I did before turnig off the machine today was update the kernel. | 09:42 |
| Morandir | Gonzalo: have fun | 09:42 |
| Tm_T | Gonzalo: hmm, 10 or 11? | 09:43 |
| Gonzalo | I can't recall. It's on my laptop. | 09:43 |
| phxguy | Gonzalo, well then you are screwed too | 09:43 |
| Morandir | Gonzalo: it looks like grub isnt being told where the correct boot locations are or somethinglike that | 09:43 |
| Gonzalo | And my wife is sleeping in the room where the laptop is. | 09:43 |
| Morandir | Tm_T: how do you get 11? | 09:43 |
| Gonzalo | It came through an apt-get update/apt-get upgrade. | 09:43 |
| Tm_T | Morandir: I used apt-get ;) | 09:43 |
| phxguy | Gonzalo, the latest kernel is broken | 09:44 |
| Morandir | I used apt-get and it gave me 10 | 09:44 |
| Gonzalo | Well, I know how to use grub to point it to the correct location if needs be. | 09:44 |
| Morandir | and broke my machine | 09:44 |
| Gonzalo | Oh, shit! | 09:44 |
| Tm_T | Morandir: yeah, you have to ask 11 | 09:44 |
| Gonzalo | Let me check things out. | 09:44 |
| Gonzalo | I am going to go and pull that laptop right now. | 09:44 |
| Tm_T | heh | 09:44 |
| Tm_T | Gonzalo: good luck ;) | 09:44 |
| Morandir | Gonzalo: I tried that but to no avail (since on a software raid (DONT ASK >_<) I dont have anything mounted by the grub) | 09:44 |
| Gonzalo | This thing is coming right up! | 09:46 |
| Gonzalo | I am breathing a big freaking sigh of relief! | 09:46 |
| phxguy | you are either not booting the updated kernal or you should buy a few lottery tickets | 09:47 |
| Morandir | Gonzalo: how fortunate you are... unlike some of us who most likely will be building the kernel ourselves | 09:47 |
| Morandir | nope: its booting the updated kernel | 09:47 |
| Gonzalo | I might have spoken a little too soon. | 09:47 |
| Gonzalo | Hold on | 09:47 |
| Morandir | uh oh | 09:48 |
| Morandir | cross your fingers | 09:48 |
| Gonzalo | It seems stuck at trying to bring up the network interface | 09:48 |
| Morandir | hrmm... | 09:48 |
| Morandir | is there a card in there thats not installed or installed but not connected? that could cause hang | 09:49 |
| Gonzalo | It came up! | 09:49 |
| Morandir | whew | 09:49 |
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| Gonzalo | I am running 2.6.10-5-686 | 09:49 |
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| Gonzalo | Is that the one that is supposed to be broken? | 09:50 |
| dewey | ok I need to mount some other parts of my HD like hda10 so how do I do that in kubuntu? | 09:51 |
| Gonzalo | dewey: what filesystem? | 09:51 |
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| Gonzalo | mount -t ext3 /dev/hda10 /some/mountpoint | 09:52 |
| Gonzalo | Change that command to match whatever file system you are using. | 09:52 |
| Tm_T | sometimes you don't have to give type | 09:53 |
| dewey | ext3 | 09:53 |
| Gonzalo | Try the command above as root | 09:53 |
| Gonzalo | Or use sudo if you are using that. | 09:53 |
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| Tm_T | or su -c "foobar" ;p | 09:54 |
| Church_of_FoamY | anyone know why i am getting dependancy errors while trying to install cedega? | 09:54 |
| Gonzalo | What dependencies? | 09:55 |
| Church_of_FoamY | don't know | 09:55 |
| Church_of_FoamY | i don't know how to get it to tell me | 09:55 |
| Gonzalo | What happens when you try to install? | 09:55 |
| Gonzalo | Post the error messages here | 09:55 |
| Church_of_FoamY | it says that it can't install because there are dependency isshues while instaling cedega | 09:56 |
| Church_of_FoamY | thats al it tells me | 09:56 |
| Church_of_FoamY | so i would asume that i need something else to install it | 09:56 |
| Church_of_FoamY | i just don't know what | 09:57 |
| Church_of_FoamY | nevermind lol it was libpng3 | 09:58 |
| Church_of_FoamY | it needed | 09:58 |
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| ole | hi all | 10:07 |
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| ole | i am quite new to linux, and i could realy need a little bit of help right now. | 10:08 |
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| Tm_T | ok, so shoot me | 10:08 |
| ole | i cant find the information about the root password in concole | 10:09 |
| ole | console* | 10:09 |
| Tm_T | there is none if you don't set it | 10:09 |
| ole | 2nd my konq crashed over 5 times already. is there a way to check my HDD for errors ? | 10:09 |
| Tm_T | well, konqi is crashy in some cases, no it's not your HD | 10:10 |
| ole | i didint set a root password in installation, just a user password. wich seems not to give me SU access in console | 10:10 |
| ole | i think i got a bigger problem, casue my "personal folder" shows all files in there always twize. and when i delte one of the twins, both are gone. and konq crashed over 5 times in 2 hours of system up :S | 10:12 |
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| Tm_T | hmm | 10:12 |
| Tm_T | strange | 10:12 |
| snowseal_ | ole you have raid hard-disks? | 10:12 |
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| ole | no. a new 160gig hdd | 10:13 |
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| snowseal_ | only one hdd | 10:13 |
| Tm_T | ok, I don't know, sorry :/ | 10:13 |
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| ole | yes only one hdd. np tim | 10:14 |
| ole | i thought maybe hdd is broken | 10:14 |
| Tm_T | tim? | 10:14 |
| ole | so i wanted to "scandisk" it :) | 10:14 |
| Gonzalo | Hi guys, I got disconnected before. | 10:15 |
| Gonzalo | So my only problem with the kernel upgrade is that dhcp no longer works. | 10:15 |
| Gonzalo | Static IPs work fine. | 10:15 |
| Tm_T | Gonzalo: hmm, funny ;p | 10:15 |
| ole | syslog say for example (line 559) May 26 10:03:27 localhost kernel: hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadC | 10:15 |
| ole | BadCRC }* | 10:16 |
| Gonzalo | yeah, I came here to tell you how good life had been. I am telling you, the minute you open your mouth... | 10:16 |
| ca3sar | :) | 10:16 |
| ole | syslog is spamed wiht such lines at about any 20-60 seconds | 10:16 |
| Gonzalo | Tm_T? What's intereting is that I couldn't find any dhcpd daemon under /etc/init.d/ | 10:18 |
| Tm_T | haha | 10:18 |
| Gonzalo | Which dhcp client does Kubuntu use? | 10:18 |
| Tm_T | good guestion | 10:18 |
| Gonzalo | well, could you look under /etc/init.d/ to see if you have anything resembling a dhcp client in your install? | 10:19 |
| Tm_T | hmm, there's none :p | 10:19 |
| Gonzalo | That boggles the mind. That's the same thing I found. | 10:20 |
| Gonzalo | I'll look into this a little more carefully tomorrow. | 10:20 |
| Tm_T | but my dhcp works fine | 10:20 |
| Tm_T | dhcp3 ? | 10:20 |
| Gonzalo | Is that what you found? | 10:21 |
| snowseal_ | how to install mplayer? | 10:21 |
| snowseal_ | apt-get does not know mplayer | 10:21 |
| Gonzalo | snowseal_: Do you need it? | 10:21 |
| snowseal_ | i need a good media player | 10:22 |
| Gonzalo | kaffeine with the right codecs seems to play anything i throw atit. | 10:22 |
| snowseal_ | kaffeine.. trying | 10:22 |
| Gonzalo | Go to ubuntuguide.org and install the win32codecs. | 10:22 |
| Tm_T | snowseal_: compile mplayer yourself, works much better | 10:22 |
| Gonzalo | You may want to install synaptic as well as it makes it easier than kynaptic to edit your repositories. | 10:22 |
| Tm_T | than apt-getting it | 10:22 |
| Tm_T | Gonzalo: nano ;) | 10:23 |
| Gonzalo | Nano works as well, of course. | 10:23 |
| snowseal_ | so i'll install the codecs, then synaptic, then kaffeine? | 10:23 |
| Gonzalo | But lots of people in Kubuntu's audience are scared of the command line. | 10:23 |
| Gonzalo | snowseal_: That's the ticket. | 10:23 |
| Tm_T | Gonzalo: dhcp3 has files under /etc/ so I think ubuntu uses it | 10:24 |
| snowseal_ | i like the command line power | 10:24 |
| Gonzalo | Make sure you have the correct repositories. | 10:24 |
| Gonzalo | The ubuntuguide.org is very good for this stuff. | 10:24 |
| Gonzalo | Just follow the instructions there. | 10:24 |
| snowseal_ | thanx m8 | 10:24 |
| Gonzalo | With one caveat, add the marillat and other extras, but don't remove or overwrite your /etc/apt/sources.list file | 10:25 |
| Gonzalo | snowseal_: no problem, good luck. | 10:25 |
| Gonzalo | Tim_T: I am sure, I'll work it out tomorrow. I just can't do much with the laptop right now. | 10:26 |
| ca3sar | lol | 10:26 |
| ca3sar | it turned out oles problem was an old hdd cable ... | 10:26 |
| Gonzalo | And the desktop is running Suse 9.3 because that's what the folks at work use and I often have to do remote support. | 10:27 |
| Gonzalo | ca3sar: Was he the one that was talking about the kernel upgrade? | 10:27 |
| ca3sar | no, he was the one with the crc error | 10:27 |
| Gonzalo | oh... | 10:27 |
| Gonzalo | Yeah, faulty cables are often to blame for that. | 10:27 |
| ca3sar | he has to install everything again | 10:28 |
| ca3sar | yes he upgraded from an 6gb hdd | 10:28 |
| ca3sar | everything runs on udma5 without a udma cable.... | 10:28 |
| snowseal_ | yess, apt get vant find some codec packs | 10:29 |
| ca3sar | only a old pio mode cable .. | 10:29 |
| Tm_T | Gonzalo: Tim? | 10:29 |
| Gonzalo | ha? | 10:29 |
| Tm_T | 11:26 < Gonzalo> Tim_T: | 10:29 |
| Tm_T | wtf is Tim? ;p | 10:30 |
| Gonzalo | Don't know. Why? | 10:30 |
| Tm_T | ... so why you call me Tim then? =) | 10:30 |
| Gonzalo | lol. Shit, I guess Konversation's auto-completion isn't working too well. | 10:31 |
| Gonzalo | I hadn't noticed. | 10:31 |
| Gonzalo | Sorry | 10:31 |
| Tm_T | heh | 10:31 |
| Tm_T | np :) | 10:31 |
| Gonzalo | Guys, I am going to hit the sack, but I'll stop by on Sunday when I have a little time off. | 10:31 |
| Tm_T | it's just funny | 10:31 |
| Tm_T | ok, see ya o/ | 10:31 |
| Gonzalo | Thanks for the heads up. This channel also seems fairly friendly, so I'll be sure to send some friends over if they have questions. | 10:32 |
| Gonzalo | Take care | 10:32 |
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| snowseal_ | is there any free virtual mchine software ? | 10:45 |
| snowseal_ | apart from freemware/plex86 wich is inmature | 10:45 |
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| gwilma | Does anyone know how to increase the font size of gtk program menus in kde - at the moment all the kde apps have nice-sized fonts, but firefox, synaptic etc have tiny letters | 10:54 |
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| Tm_T | gwilma: try gtk theme switcher app | 10:58 |
| gwilma | thanks Tm_T - where do I find that? | 10:58 |
| Tm_T | apt-cache search gtk | grep switch | 10:58 |
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| gwilma | ta - installing at the moment. | 11:00 |
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| Riddell | Tm_T: pong | 11:06 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: looks like we have kernel issue? | 11:07 |
| Tm_T | I mean https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11135 | 11:09 |
| Tm_T | I hope that won't be longtime problem | 11:09 |
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| bdmp | Can someone tell me why I can type in Japanese in Kopete? | 11:27 |
| Tm_T | why not? | 11:28 |
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| mikl | hmm, seems 3.4.1 is near | 11:29 |
| Tm_T | yup it is | 11:29 |
| shogouki | Tm_T i think s/why/how ? | 11:39 |
| Tm_T | shogouki: I think so too :p | 11:40 |
| shogouki | i dont need to write french, english or japanese in kopete, i chat in latex | 11:41 |
| Tm_T | he | 11:41 |
| Tm_T | I don't use kopete | 11:41 |
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| blitz | hi... i'm trying kubuntu... is there a reason for using KDE instead of Gnome? Any advantages? | 11:43 |
| shogouki | Tm_T what do you use for IM ? | 11:43 |
| shogouki | power, beauty, and sexual skills improvments | 11:43 |
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| Tm_T | shogouki: gaim | 11:44 |
| shogouki | ouch | 11:45 |
| mikl | blitz: It's mostly a question of style :) | 11:45 |
| blitz | mikl: what is if you compare the speed of the 2? | 11:45 |
| mikl | blitz: well, I've used both and I see no real difference | 11:45 |
| Tm_T | blitz: you can't, but I'd say KDE wins ;) | 11:45 |
| shogouki | why dont just try and see what of 2 you prefer ? | 11:46 |
| shogouki | ah | 11:46 |
| mikl | but it's kinda hard to do a scientific study of which DE is faster | 11:46 |
| blitz | shogouki: i'm with gnome since 2.0 or sth. like that and with xfce 3.x... i used it because it is free... and qt wasn't really... but now I try to check the other solutions... everyone is chattering about kde... and i wanted to know why... | 11:47 |
| bdmp | Sorry I was gone for a sec. I would use gaim but the text is so small that I can't make out the Japanese | 11:47 |
| blitz | okay... it looks not bad... but my default applications like gaim, xchat, firefox, thunderbird ... they suck ... not really integrated | 11:47 |
| shogouki | a nice feature of kde is dcop | 11:47 |
| bdmp | what is dcop | 11:48 |
| bdmp | ? | 11:48 |
| Tm_T | bdmp: you use amarok? | 11:48 |
| blitz | shogouki: thats one of the things why kde should be better oO | 11:48 |
| bdmp | yeah | 11:48 |
| mikl | well, my experience is that KDE is a lot more integrated than most linux-apps | 11:49 |
| Tm_T | ok, try in Konsole: "echo "`dcop amarok player nowPlaying` -- `dcop amarok player album`" | 11:49 |
| Tm_T | " | 11:49 |
| mikl | the different parts of the DE is capable of operating in unison | 11:49 |
| blitz | mikl: yeah but check the style of gtk-applications... they don't look really good | 11:50 |
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| shogouki | just stop using gtk apps :) | 11:50 |
| Tm_T | blitz: they do look if make them to look ;) | 11:50 |
| mikl | blitz: that too ;) | 11:50 |
| Tm_T | +you | 11:50 |
| blitz | Tm_T: how should i force them to look like my gnome.env. | 11:50 |
| Tm_T | blitz: you can control gtk theme, you know ;) | 11:50 |
| shogouki | i love kde kparts mechanism too, like integration of kate or kaffeine in konqueror, of kghostview in kile etc... | 11:50 |
| blitz | but one thing I don't get... if i use my gnome-applications.. why should i use kde? | 11:51 |
| Tm_T | bdmp: you got it? | 11:51 |
| bdmp | no I get nothing | 11:51 |
| Tm_T | hmm? | 11:51 |
| shogouki | for me one point of the superiority of kde is that kde apss are better than gnome's | 11:51 |
| shogouki | apps* | 11:52 |
| blitz | shogouki: there we can start a flame ;) | 11:52 |
| Tm_T | bdmp: enter this: echo "`dcop amarok player nowPlaying`" | 11:52 |
| shogouki | were are on #Kubuntu, no flames, kde is better its a fact ;p | 11:53 |
| tango_ | lol | 11:53 |
| Tm_T | yes! | 11:53 |
| blitz | lol | 11:53 |
| bdmp | couldn't attach dcop server | 11:53 |
| tango_ | of course it would be even better if the live distribution automounted my hard disk partitions :\ | 11:53 |
| Tm_T | bdmp: amarok is running? | 11:53 |
| bdmp | duh... no | 11:54 |
| bdmp | sorry | 11:54 |
| Tm_T | haha | 11:54 |
| blitz | hm... i try to connect to a samba-share... error -.- kontact seems to be a nice thing but it has the same problem like evolution.. on inbox and no seperated accounts... | 11:54 |
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| tango_ | blitz, use mozilla :P | 11:54 |
| tango_ | :D | 11:54 |
| blitz | tango_: yeah... gtk-application again -.- | 11:55 |
| tango_ | lol | 11:55 |
| Tm_T | so? | 11:55 |
| Tm_T | what's wrong with gtk | 11:55 |
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| bdmp | couldn't attach dcop server again | 11:55 |
| tango_ | blitz, use kmail for your mail | 11:55 |
| blitz | Tm_T that i would like to use qt-applications in my qt-env. | 11:55 |
| Tm_T | blitz: hmm, I don't care if app works :) | 11:56 |
| Tm_T | bdmp: strange | 11:56 |
| bdmp | Hey anybody know how to fix a laptop that slowly works up to 100% cpu and won't stop and then gets really hot? | 11:56 |
| Tm_T | bdmp: "`dcop amarok player nowPlaying`" | 11:57 |
| bdmp | Tim_T: what does it do? | 11:57 |
| Tm_T | Pauli Hanhiniemen Perunateatteri - Hyv Asiaa | 11:57 |
| Tm_T | it gives your nowplaying info from amarok =) | 11:57 |
| bdmp | what do the " do? | 11:57 |
| Tm_T | sorry, bad copy | 11:57 |
| Tm_T | bdmp: and don't say Tim | 11:57 |
| Tm_T | bdmp: it was echo "... | 11:58 |
| Tm_T | dcop is interface to contact apps | 11:58 |
| Tm_T | so I can control amaroK from Konsole | 11:59 |
| bdmp | Sorry miss read | 11:59 |
| Tm_T | or some other apps | 11:59 |
| bdmp | misread | 11:59 |
| bdmp | oh | 11:59 |
| Tm_T | http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/torsmo_003.png | 12:00 |
| bdmp | wow cool | 12:01 |
| tango_ | Tm_T, what program is that? | 12:02 |
| Tm_T | tango_: torsmo | 12:02 |
| tango_ | eh should have guessed that LOL | 12:03 |
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| Vjaz | Hello, is it a typical problem in Kubuntu that khotkeys does not work? | 12:04 |
| Vjaz | I get this: | 12:04 |
| Vjaz | ERROR: Communication problem with khotkeys, it probably crashed. | 12:04 |
| Tm_T | hah | 12:04 |
| Vjaz | When I try to run 'khotkeys'. | 12:04 |
| Tm_T | kiva | 12:04 |
| Vjaz | ah damn, I've got to go, but I'll be back a little later. | 12:05 |
| Tm_T | tee se ;) | 12:05 |
| Tm_T | off we go -> | 12:13 |
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| bdmp | I am trying to use Ark, but it says unrar is not in your path. How do I put it in the path? | 01:04 |
| andre | some one telme a good tutorial to learn C linguage? | 01:05 |
| mikl | bdmp: sudo apt-get unrar | 01:08 |
| mikl | or unrar-nonfree :) | 01:09 |
| bdmp | thanks | 01:10 |
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| bdmp | Hey anybody know how to fix a laptop that slowly works up to 100% cpu and won't stop and then gets really hot? | 01:11 |
| mikl | bdmp: you need to find out what's hogging up the CPU :) | 01:12 |
| bdmp | I can see the services but I don't know what it might be | 01:12 |
| bdmp | I am new at this | 01:12 |
| Riddell | bdmp: run `top` on the command line | 01:13 |
| bdmp | where should I look? %cpu? | 01:15 |
| bdmp | kaffeine says 91% | 01:15 |
| bdmp | How do I kill it | 01:16 |
| bdmp | ? | 01:16 |
| bdmp | I gotta relog in. brb | 01:17 |
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| bdmp | DId I miss anything? | 01:20 |
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| bdmp | Thats it. As soon as I stop kaffeine it goes up to 100% | 01:24 |
| bdmp | So I had this wicked problem with Kaffeine before where it would try to start up and you could only see like part of it on the screen. I would kill the process and it would stop. I finally got it work by reinstalling it, but apparently that didn't work either. What can I do to fix this? | 01:28 |
| bdmp | my comp is finally quiet! | 01:28 |
| bdmp | So I tried uninstalling and reinstalling but that didn't do anything. Any suggestions? | 01:33 |
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| Riddell | bdmp: try upgrading using the kaffine in the repository in the /topic | 01:54 |
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| thoreauputic | Riddell: I take it that line in the topic should be added by ubuntu users who've installed kubuntu-desktop? | 02:01 |
| Riddell | I advise so | 02:01 |
| thoreauputic | OK | 02:01 |
| thoreauputic | maybe that should be in the #ubuntu topic too? | 02:02 |
| Riddell | best not | 02:02 |
| thoreauputic | so we should refer people with KDE worries here, then, yes? | 02:03 |
| Riddell | yep | 02:04 |
| thoreauputic | OK | 02:04 |
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| DiAbLe666 | hi, can i build a local Ubuntu repository to install Kubuntu distributions ? | 02:33 |
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| eliteforce | hi | 02:41 |
| individ | got some serious problem with kubuntu, all the apps that use artsd just crash when playing something ! in the first 3 secs! don't have any idea why, in Gnome sound works just fine | 02:41 |
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| eliteforce | which settings do i need to get my fonts on kde racor-sharp? they are a bit fuzzy with the standard settings | 02:41 |
| thoreauputic | toonX: don't know if this will solve it, but I suggest adding the updates line in the /topic to your sources and updating the system | 02:44 |
| Riddell | toonX: as a work around you can install amarok-xine and change to use that engine | 02:44 |
| toonX | I dont think i want any work-around , it's just , i dont know.. to crash like that in 3 secs | 02:45 |
| toonX | why in GNome works just fine? i mean i can play anything | 02:45 |
| toonX | i tryed to disable realtime priority , same thing with or without | 02:46 |
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| Riddell | toonX: got a backtrace? | 02:47 |
| Riddell | toonX: is this i386? | 02:47 |
| toonX | Riddell, no , on amd64 | 02:48 |
| toonX | and the error handler says it can't do any backtrace | 02:48 |
| Riddell | ah, that could have something to do with it, arts is troublesome on non-x86 | 02:49 |
| toonX | i don't know what is preventing it | 02:49 |
| toonX | possible arts doesn't work on non-x86 | 02:49 |
| toonX | but can't i just use ALSA ? | 02:50 |
| toonX | why do i need arts? | 02:50 |
| Riddell | kde programs all output to arts, except amarok which has pluggable engines | 02:50 |
| Riddell | arts sometimes works on amd64, sometimes not, it's troublesome | 02:50 |
| toonX | so is roulette | 02:51 |
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| toonX | so what can i do ? | 02:57 |
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| ravel | greetings. how do I install Kubuntu on top of Debian (unstable) - or should I care about this matter at all? | 03:59 |
| crimsun | the first you'd need to do is cross-upgrade to Hoary, then install kubuntu-desktop | 04:00 |
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| ravel | I do have a broadband connection so I can do the whole install via network if that is possible. | 04:04 |
| crimsun | ravel: then use apt-pinning to cross-grade from sid | 04:09 |
| ravel | ok. so there is no need to burn the installation cd at all? | 04:09 |
| crimsun | nope | 04:10 |
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| Chiwaka | hello, how could i install this file? amsn-0.94-3-linux-installer.bin | 05:45 |
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| hussam | Chiwaka: probably sh ./amsn-0.94-3-linux-installer.bin | 05:46 |
| Chiwaka | ok | 05:46 |
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| Chiwaka | <hussam> cannot execute binary file | 05:48 |
| Chiwaka | i've also this file... amsn_0.94.orig.tar.gz how can i install it? | 05:48 |
| hussam | do chmod +x ./amsn-0.94-3-linux-installer.bin | 05:48 |
| hussam | then run it | 05:48 |
| Chiwaka | ok | 05:50 |
| Chiwaka | thank u very much... it works ;) | 05:50 |
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| Chiwaka | <hussam> i dont find the executable file of the program... nither in the folder | 05:53 |
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| Chiwaka | where i can find it? | 05:56 |
| hussam | amsn_0.94.orig.tar.gz is probably the source, extract it | 05:56 |
| hussam | can I have the link for amsn_0.94.orig.tar.gz? | 05:57 |
| Chiwaka | the same problem | 05:58 |
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| hussam | probably extract amsn_0.94.orig.tar.gz , cd to it, then ./configure then make then sudo make install | 05:59 |
| Chiwaka | http://the.earth.li/debian/pool/main/a/amsn/amsn_0.94.orig.tar.gz | 06:00 |
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| Tm_T | whoa | 06:05 |
| Chiwaka | ok... thank u <hussam> it works :D | 06:06 |
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| Tm_T | hi hussam_ | 06:09 |
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| thedman | <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> | 06:17 |
| thedman | <body><B>/msg nickserv register</B></body> | 06:17 |
| thedman | exit | 06:18 |
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| teknoprep | what are the correct settings for a usb thumb drive in your /etc/fstab... | 06:28 |
| teknoprep | anyone have that becuase i am going nuts tyring to get it to auto show up on my desktop again | 06:29 |
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| Tm_T | hmm | 06:33 |
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| teknoprep | heh | 06:37 |
| teknoprep | kde is giving me shit | 06:37 |
| teknoprep | w0ot did it | 06:37 |
| Tm_T | it wasn't me | 06:38 |
| teknoprep | now to setup automount | 06:38 |
| teknoprep | lol | 06:38 |
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| Church_of_FoamY | just a ? whats auto mounter? | 06:46 |
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| Church_of_FoamY | how to install vmware? | 06:48 |
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| Church_of_FoamY | anyone know how to get point2play? | 06:57 |
| Tm_T | yes | 06:58 |
| Tm_T | buy it | 06:58 |
| Tm_T | afaik its commercial | 06:58 |
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| Church_of_FoamY | whats the website? | 06:59 |
| Church_of_FoamY | i can find reveiws for it but not the website | 07:00 |
| Church_of_FoamY | google given me trouble | 07:00 |
| Church_of_FoamY | lol | 07:00 |
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| philipacamaniac | Have the updated packages at kubuntu.org (knetworkconf, kdelibs, kaffeine) been added to official Ubuntu.com repositories? | 07:06 |
| Riddell | philipacamaniac: say my name and the channel will highlight :) | 07:12 |
| Riddell | philipacamaniac: knetworkconf has | 07:13 |
| Riddell | philipacamaniac: kdelibs is lost somewhere in the c++ transition queue | 07:13 |
| Riddell | philipacamaniac: and kaffine hasn't because it's not important enough to qualify | 07:13 |
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| Tm_T | Riddell: | 07:15 |
| philipacamaniac | Riddell: Okay. knetworkconf has a conflict with knemo (in universe). Bug filed at https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11206 | 07:15 |
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| Tm_T | I saw that problem today | 07:16 |
| Tm_T | it surprised me | 07:16 |
| philipacamaniac | Should a universe bug be filed also/instead? | 07:16 |
| Riddell | philipacamaniac: ah yes, that's for reminding me | 07:17 |
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| philipacamaniac | Riddell: The problem is very similar to this bug: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/tasks/594/ | 07:25 |
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| Riddell | philipacamaniac: that's the previous overlapping file problem knetworkconf had, which the new knetworkconf was designed to fix | 07:26 |
| Riddell | troublesome package so it is | 07:26 |
| philipacamaniac | LOL... yeah. I'm filing a malone bug for knemo presently. | 07:27 |
| Riddell | philipacamaniac: mind and reference the existing knetworkconf report then | 07:29 |
| philipacamaniac | Riddell: Certainly... | 07:30 |
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| philipacamaniac | Riddell: Malone gave me an error, so I ended up triple posting. I feel sheepish, but looking through the bug list, it appears I'm not the only one. | 07:33 |
| Riddell | malone isn't entirely beastie free itself | 07:33 |
| Riddell | it's still in testing | 07:34 |
| philipacamaniac | Any way to delete dupes? | 07:34 |
| philipacamaniac | n/m | 07:35 |
| Riddell | did you find a way? | 07:36 |
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| philipacamaniac | Yes, mark as duplicate works | 07:36 |
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| YooBoo | hurray! | 07:36 |
| === YooBoo loves kubuntu :) | ||
| philipacamaniac | * says cheers to that! | 07:37 |
| YooBoo | :) | 07:37 |
| YooBoo | Just using the liveCD at the moment, i love it :) | 07:38 |
| YooBoo | so much i'm downloading the Install CD :D | 07:38 |
| YooBoo | still, how do i login as root, in KDE through the LiveCD? or can't i? | 07:39 |
| philipacamaniac | Riddell: FYI, its https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/815 | 07:39 |
| YooBoo | any way to have a Mac-like dock in kubuntu LiveCD? | 07:40 |
| philipacamaniac | YooBoo: Kubuntu uses sudo to perform admin tasks, there is no root account by default | 07:40 |
| YooBoo | :) | 07:41 |
| YooBoo | ic ic | 07:41 |
| Riddell | YooBoo: not on the live cd but superkaramba or kooldock do the job | 07:41 |
| YooBoo | Are they on the liveCD? | 07:42 |
| Vjaz | "not on the live cd but ..." | 07:43 |
| YooBoo | Man, this wipes the floor over windows :) The fonts are so smooth :D | 07:43 |
| Vjaz | Haha. I'm pretty sure you can get antialiased fonts in Windows, too. | 07:43 |
| === YooBoo just harnessed the power of "el linux" methinks :) | ||
| YooBoo | Bah to windows | 07:43 |
| YooBoo | a.k.a Beta testing phase :/ | 07:44 |
| Vjaz | They've had "smoothed fonts" or something for quite a while I think, but that sucked if I remember correctly | 07:44 |
| YooBoo | They've had smoothed heads after pulling so much hair out over firefox and open office! | 07:44 |
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| Vjaz | heh, perhaps | 07:45 |
| YooBoo | Well, i thinks so anyways :) | 07:45 |
| Vjaz | Those programs are mostly overhyped though. | 07:46 |
| Vjaz | Good software, but overhyped. | 07:46 |
| YooBoo | Good work kubuntu and ubuntu teams! | 07:46 |
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| YooBoo | Nah, firefox rocks my socks-0r | 07:47 |
| philipacamaniac | Looking through the UDU wiki (http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder), some great things can be expected in Breezy Badger. | 07:47 |
| YooBoo | Deserves all the hype :D | 07:47 |
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| Vjaz | YooBoo: Well Firefox is better than IE, that's for sure. | 07:48 |
| YooBoo | I like it over must stuff, | 07:48 |
| Vjaz | YooBoo: Have you tried Opera? It's pretty good. | 07:49 |
| YooBoo | Like Konqueror is on a par with it, equal | 07:49 |
| YooBoo | Nah, i hated it | 07:49 |
| Vjaz | Ok. | 07:49 |
| Vjaz | It's all of a matter of personal preference I guess. | 07:49 |
| philipacamaniac | Vjaz: Good, but non-free | 07:49 |
| YooBoo | Well, i just dont like stuff like that | 07:49 |
| YooBoo | Opera had ads | 07:49 |
| YooBoo | and they just dont seem to give a shit | 07:49 |
| Vjaz | I was switching to Opera actually, but then I went back because I realised much of the stuff I had gripes with was being fixed in Firefox, and well, it's free. | 07:49 |
| YooBoo | Holy shit, Konversation has JIS O_O | 07:50 |
| YooBoo | HURRAY | 07:50 |
| YooBoo | I dont use opera because 1) ads, 2) Speed can be done with firefox, 3) dont want to pay 4) removed features for linux versions :) | 07:50 |
| Vjaz | "Speed can be done"? | 07:51 |
| YooBoo | Eg, if you trimmed down firefox yourself | 07:51 |
| Vjaz | And what features have they removed? | 07:51 |
| YooBoo | the "smallness" of it | 07:51 |
| YooBoo | Voice to text | 07:51 |
| YooBoo | I read it in Liux format :) | 07:51 |
| YooBoo | Linux* | 07:51 |
| Vjaz | Umm... do you mean actually ripping the source code apart and making a light version of Firefox? | 07:52 |
| YooBoo | Well, i think there was one :/ i forgot the name, but firefox has always run fast for me anyways | 07:52 |
| YooBoo | only problem i had with it was ona 300mhz computer | 07:52 |
| YooBoo | and it took about 6 seconds to load | 07:52 |
| Vjaz | Ok. Speed was actually the reason I was switching to Opera. | 07:52 |
| YooBoo | so, cigars all round | 07:52 |
| philipacamaniac | On a 300Mhz, you might as well use lynx | 07:53 |
| YooBoo | I dont like opera it just seems... 1 word - cramped | 07:53 |
| Vjaz | One thing is that Opera caches pages in history nicely, so going back and forward is effectively instant. | 07:53 |
| YooBoo | about:config? :3 | 07:53 |
| Vjaz | Also, Firefox sucks at rendering pages with fixed backgrounds. Small problem really, but it just pissed me off because I was browsing one website that had a fixed background at the time... | 07:54 |
| philipacamaniac | I'm still waiting for a QT Firefox port, or Konqueror with a Gecko engine. | 07:54 |
| Vjaz | Heh, ok. | 07:54 |
| Vjaz | What's wrong with KHTML? | 07:54 |
| philipacamaniac | Ever tried Gmail? | 07:54 |
| Vjaz | Hm... no I haven't. | 07:55 |
| YooBoo | I agree, but 3.4 works fine for me | 07:55 |
| YooBoo | Konqueror, that is | 07:55 |
| Vjaz | Um... works fine here. | 07:55 |
| Vjaz | Gmail that is. | 07:56 |
| Vjaz | Although it does say "For a better Gmail experience, use a fully supported browser." | 07:56 |
| philipacamaniac | I like konki, but Gecko renders more sites (perhaps due to more css code, perhaps something else) | 07:56 |
| YooBoo | Yup | 07:56 |
| philipacamaniac | And it is running in HTML mode, rather than standard mode | 07:56 |
| philipacamaniac | meaning you don't have things like autocomplete in the To: box | 07:56 |
| YooBoo | Well, balls to opera, it's cramped, and i just find it.. monopolistic, kinda | 07:56 |
| Vjaz | Hm... I'm guessing the "fully supported browser" stuff is bullshit. They support Safari but not Konqueror? | 07:57 |
| Vjaz | Isn't the rendering engine mostly the same? | 07:57 |
| philipacamaniac | Sadly, not anymore. | 07:57 |
| Vjaz | YooBoo: Monopolistic? | 07:57 |
| YooBoo | Yeah | 07:58 |
| philipacamaniac | We don't need to get into a heated debate, but let's just say Apple and Zack Rusin had a falling out. | 07:58 |
| YooBoo | I mean, they aren't much of the browser demographic, but they want their cash from it. | 07:58 |
| YooBoo | In terms of an ad here, cramped controls, etc | 07:58 |
| YooBoo | And yet still, OPERA is splashed all over the GUI | 07:59 |
| YooBoo | So, if you have an arrythmia or cardiac arrest, then you know you're using opera :/ | 07:59 |
| Vjaz | Well it's a better browser in many ways, so I don't see a problem with they asking money for it. | 07:59 |
| YooBoo | Just reminds me of that neoplanet browser | 07:59 |
| philipacamaniac | YooBoo: NeoPlanet!!!! | 08:00 |
| philipacamaniac | YooBoo: Wasn't that one full of spyware? I can't fully remember. | 08:00 |
| YooBoo | Yep | 08:00 |
| YooBoo | Pretty much , it got shut down | 08:00 |
| philipacamaniac | Schweet. | 08:00 |
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| YooBoo | casue they used Internet explorer, just skinned up and labelled as a different browser | 08:00 |
| YooBoo | :/ | 08:00 |
| philipacamaniac | Regarding Kubuntu, did anyone here have Firefox included on the Kubuntu CD/ISO? I only had Konqueror, but some folks in the forums say Firefox is included with Kubuntu (I don't believe them). | 08:02 |
| YooBoo | Y'arr, well, i have now found the correct Linux Distribution to move a lot of college computers to *grin* | 08:02 |
| YooBoo | The liars | 08:02 |
| YooBoo | Not me, i've got 4 copies | 08:02 |
| philipacamaniac | Same here | 08:02 |
| philipacamaniac | About the not here, not the 4 copies | 08:03 |
| YooBoo | Unless they are "h4x0r5" | 08:03 |
| YooBoo | lol, heh i got them as a way to show the college about Linux | 08:03 |
| YooBoo | and ubuntu fit perfectly, was gonna use Mandriva, but eep, it wasn't the one :/ | 08:03 |
| YooBoo | Wasn't it called Mandark or something before that? I'm clueless :) | 08:04 |
| Vjaz | Heh, I actually got 20 CD's of Ubuntu. | 08:04 |
| philipacamaniac | Which tragically don't have KDE on them, right? | 08:05 |
| Vjaz | No they don't. | 08:05 |
| Vjaz | I actually don't regularily use KDE! | 08:05 |
| Vjaz | I just installed it yesterday. | 08:05 |
| YooBoo | :o | 08:05 |
| YooBoo | You win Vjaz | 08:05 |
| === YooBoo feels demasculated >:( | ||
| Vjaz | Hahaa | 08:05 |
| Vjaz | So 20 CD's of Ubuntu is better than 4 CD's of Kubuntu? | 08:05 |
| Vjaz | I'll have to keep that in mind... | 08:06 |
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| Vjaz | BBL -> | 08:06 |
| YooBoo | Lets play Ubuntu Trumps :) | 08:06 |
| YooBoo | Top trumps, heh | 08:06 |
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| philipacamaniac | I just noticed the new SVN HEAD for KDE4. I guess its in preliminary stages. GCC4 and QT4, I think. Freaky. Does anyone know the link for KDE release schedule (anything later then 3.4)? | 08:12 |
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| Morandir | ;_; any news on the Kernel panic - attempting to kill init issue? | 08:21 |
| Riddell | philipacamaniac: there is no kde release schedule except 3.4.1 early next week | 08:24 |
| Riddell | philipacamaniac: gcc is independent of kde development, kubuntu is currently converting to gcc 4 | 08:25 |
| philipacamaniac | Riddell: 3.4.1 released next week, or release schedule for 3.4.1 released next week? | 08:25 |
| Riddell | released next week | 08:26 |
| philipacamaniac | Riddell: regarding gcc: oh yeah duh | 08:26 |
| philipacamaniac | Riddell: Are you using QT4 (beta?) for the KDE4 sources? | 08:27 |
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| Riddell | philipacamaniac: nope, I'm making packages for kde 3.4.1 | 08:29 |
| YooBoo | Okay boys, have to go now, cheers :) | 08:31 |
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| philipacamaniac | Riddell: well that's good news. Hoary will see those security and bug backports? | 08:32 |
| hussam | Riddell: any new updates on whether we will get kde 3.4.1 for hoary? | 08:32 |
| hussam | or is it too risky | 08:33 |
| hussam | ? | 08:33 |
| Riddell | hussam: yes, I'll do that, but not in the ubuntu archives | 08:33 |
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| Riddell | philipacamaniac: security fixes go in ubuntu archives, other stuff not | 08:33 |
| philipacamaniac | Riddell: You are awesome, dude! Now I best be adding kubuntu.org to my repo sources. | 08:34 |
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| Morandir | anyone have any suggestions for helping my poor dead compy... I did apt-get upgrade to upgrade the kernel to 2.6.10 and now get a kernel panic.. | 08:38 |
| osh | what do I need to apt-get to be able to play dvd's? | 08:38 |
| Tm_T | osh: well, what do you like? | 08:38 |
| Tm_T | command line or GUI? | 08:38 |
| osh | and what do I need to convert it to XviD? | 08:38 |
| hussam | Riddell: they will be available in deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main ? | 08:38 |
| osh | Tm_T: I've got kaffeine installed but it claims it can't play the dvd. | 08:38 |
| Tm_T | Morandir: ah, that kernel problem | 08:38 |
| Tm_T | osh: eh? | 08:39 |
| Tm_T | osh: try okle | 08:39 |
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| Riddell | hussam: not sure, either there or ftp.kde.org | 08:39 |
| philipacamaniac | osh: have you installed lbdvdcss? | 08:39 |
| philipacamaniac | osh: sorry, that's libdvdcss | 08:40 |
| Morandir | TmT: yes that kernel problem | 08:40 |
| osh | philipacamaniac: don't think so. not unless it's installed by default. it's dpkg something to find out what's installed isn't it? | 08:40 |
| philipacamaniac | osh: it is not. | 08:40 |
| hussam | Riddell: will stuff like kaffeine and konversation have to be rebuilt too? | 08:40 |
| Tm_T | Morandir: hmm, yes there's solution, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11135 | 08:41 |
| philipacamaniac | osh: sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 | 08:41 |
| osh | philipacamaniac: libdvdcss2 <-that's the one? | 08:41 |
| philipacamaniac | osh: yes | 08:41 |
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| osh | philipacamaniac: I still get "Can't read source" when trying my dvd. :-/ | 08:43 |
| hussam | Riddell: or will apps like k3b that were built for kde 3.4.0 still work? | 08:44 |
| Morandir | copy paste comming... | 08:44 |
| Morandir | - boot with live-cd | 08:44 |
| Morandir | - mount / partition at /media | 08:44 |
| Morandir | - chroot /media | 08:44 |
| Morandir | - mount /proc | 08:44 |
| Morandir | - wget breezy package of initrd-tools | 08:44 |
| Morandir | - dpkg -i initrd-tools | 08:44 |
| Morandir | - dpkg-reconfigure installed linux-image packages | 08:44 |
| Morandir | - then reboot. | 08:44 |
| Morandir | is that the solution part? | 08:44 |
| osh | I've restarted kaffeine so it should use the libdvdcss-lib shouldn't it? | 08:44 |
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| osh | perhaps do something like dpkg reconfigure kaffeine? | 08:45 |
| philipacamaniac | osh: have you installed the updated kaffeine package? | 08:45 |
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| osh | philipacamaniac: I don't know. Don't think so. | 08:46 |
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| osh | philipacamaniac: I can't apt-get it because it's already installed. | 08:47 |
| philipacamaniac | Add deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main to your /etc/apt/sources.lst | 08:47 |
| philipacamaniac | osh: Then sudo apt-get update | 08:48 |
| philipacamaniac | hussam: most packages will work with 3.4.1, if not, then a bug will have to be filed. | 08:49 |
| osh | philipacamaniac: that's a space between .org/ and hoary-updates right? | 08:49 |
| philipacamaniac | osh: yes | 08:49 |
| Riddell | hussam: yes, KDE keeps binary compatibility | 08:50 |
| osh | philipacamaniac: the only package it wanted to fetch was kdelibs-data. Kaffeine isn't a part of that is it? | 08:50 |
| hussam | Riddell: thanks, that's a relief. | 08:51 |
| Morandir | philipacamaniac: i got 404's on kubuntu.org reposetories... | 08:51 |
| philipacamaniac | Riddell: ?? (404's on kubuntu.org reposetories...) | 08:52 |
| transgress | why are you going to it with a browser? | 08:53 |
| Riddell | philipacamaniac: works for me | 08:53 |
| Morandir | I just added them to my sources.list and sudo apt-get update | 08:53 |
| osh | Morandir: Seems to work for me too. | 08:53 |
| Riddell | Morandir: can you see this? http://kubuntu.org/dists/ | 08:54 |
| transgress | bet you didn't apt-get update eh? | 08:54 |
| philipacamaniac | Works for me too. | 08:54 |
| Morandir | we can see http://kubuntu.org/dists/ with browser | 08:54 |
| buz | wtf | 08:55 |
| Morandir | deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main <-- failed fetch | 08:55 |
| buz | since i added marillat reps today it wants to upgrade stuff other than nonfree like it should | 08:55 |
| Morandir | holdon | 08:55 |
| Morandir | LOL | 08:55 |
| transgress | buz: don't leave marillat enabled... just get what you need then disable it | 08:55 |
| Morandir | my buddy spelt it horay, not hoary | 08:55 |
| transgress | buz: marillat can cause breakage. | 08:55 |
| buz | last time it didnt do that | 08:55 |
| buz | weird | 08:55 |
| buz | anyway i'm gonna get w32 then and disable it after that | 08:56 |
| Morandir | transgress: kernel panic breakage? | 08:56 |
| philipacamaniac | osh: If you can't find a Kaffeine package using apt, try installing http://homepage.ntlworld.com/fowlerc/kaffeine_0.6-1_i386.deb | 08:56 |
| philipacamaniac | osh: That's the one I've got. Much goodness. | 08:57 |
| buz | is there an official kaffeine build that actually works? | 08:57 |
| transgress | Morandir: nope... just some package deps breakage | 08:57 |
| Morandir | okay.. added kubuntu.org to sources.list and going to upgrade again... | 08:58 |
| philipacamaniac | buz: I thought it was in the kubuntu.org archive... checking now... | 08:58 |
| hussam | philipacamaniac: I have one that does not crash but I forgot where I downloaded it | 08:58 |
| Morandir | we shall see a kernel panic in a bit again I think | 08:58 |
| buz | mhh i have ch.archive.ubuntu in my list | 08:58 |
| buz | but i actually think ch archive isn't in CH at all | 08:58 |
| osh | philipacamaniac: I'll have a look at that. Thanks for your time. | 08:58 |
| philipacamaniac | Package: kaffeine | 08:59 |
| philipacamaniac | Version: 0.6-0ubuntu2.1 | 08:59 |
| philipacamaniac | that's the one in the kubuntu.org archive - I'm pretty sure it fixes the crashes. And hopefully it will play osh's DVD source. | 09:00 |
| osh | I've got something from kubuntu.org but it doesn't play dvd's I'm afraid. | 09:00 |
| transgress | ah we shall see how FC4 test 3 is in a few moments. i'm quite curious. | 09:00 |
| transgress | and Morandir how did you get kernel panics? | 09:00 |
| osh | philipacamaniac: Ahh, the one from fowler is the one in kubuntu.org? Then I've already got it. | 09:01 |
| transgress | i'm yet to have any in kubuntu | 09:01 |
| philipacamaniac | osh: No, the one from fowler is an unofficial build. | 09:01 |
| Morandir | off the wall ?: should /dev still be compilied in the kernel configuration? | 09:01 |
| Morandir | transgress: sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get upgrade >> reboot and bombs | 09:01 |
| osh | philipacamaniac: Ok. I'll try installing that then. What is the command? dpkg --install kaffeine.......? | 09:02 |
| transgress | Morandir: do you know what upgraded? | 09:02 |
| philipacamaniac | osh: dpkg -i | 09:05 |
| Morandir | transgress: looked like linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 upgrade | 09:05 |
| osh | philipacamaniac: Unfortunatly it didn't work. :-( | 09:05 |
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| osh | philipacamaniac: I still get this "Unable to read" and sais that it might be insufficient rights or no data on the dvd. I've bought it so there's data on it. If I mount it I can see data and play stuff. Encrypted unfortunatly. | 09:05 |
| transgress | Morandir: did you fall back to the old kernel? | 09:05 |
| Morandir | transgress: yes reinstalled system from 5.04 disk | 09:06 |
| transgress | umm | 09:06 |
| transgress | if it installed a new kernel it should've left the old one... | 09:06 |
| buz | with the dvdcss from universe i could watch dvd last night | 09:06 |
| buz | on hoary | 09:06 |
| transgress | i do believe | 09:06 |
| Morandir | but the grub says we're booting off linux-2.6.10-5-386... | 09:07 |
| philipacamaniac | osh: I'm able to watch commercial DVDs without problems. This is a longshot, but did the drive work in another OS, such as windows? | 09:08 |
| buz | could be region code issues? | 09:08 |
| philipacamaniac | buz: doesn't libdvdcss circumvent region codes? I know circumvents other copy protection... | 09:09 |
| buz | probably not | 09:09 |
| buz | usually region codes is more firmware based | 09:09 |
| osh | philipacamaniac: don't know. haven't run windows in years. It could be a region code code perhaps as buz suggested. Isn't there a way to "fix" that or is the movie industry hell bent on making me download all movies from now on? | 09:09 |
| philipacamaniac | buz: good call | 09:09 |
| philipacamaniac | osh: This might seem obvious, but have you tried other DVDs? | 09:10 |
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| osh | philipacamaniac: I'd assume that they're all region2 (I'm european) so if the computers player is region1 I'm SOL'ed. | 09:11 |
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| Church_of_FoamY | anyone know how to install vmware? | 09:12 |
| buz | actually the movie industry is hell bent on making us download movies | 09:12 |
| buz | Church_of_FoamY: yes | 09:12 |
| buz | wheres the problem | 09:12 |
| Church_of_FoamY | i don't know how to install | 09:12 |
| Church_of_FoamY | :( | 09:12 |
| philipacamaniac | osh: Is the computer new? There is a way to change regions (albeit you have a limited number of tries) | 09:12 |
| buz | run the script in the directory | 09:13 |
| Morandir | transgress: thx for you help atm, but I've got to run for a bit | 09:13 |
| buz | but install the headers for your kernel first | 09:13 |
| osh | philipacamaniac: Not really new. I've had it for a year or two. It belongs to my employer. | 09:13 |
| Church_of_FoamY | it's a tar.gz file | 09:14 |
| buz | mhh then it would probably be set to the correct region already | 09:14 |
| buz | well untar it | 09:14 |
| philipacamaniac | Church: tar -zxfv vmware | 09:15 |
| transgress | Church_of_FoamY: please goto and read all of this page http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/ | 09:15 |
| Morandir | IT BOMBED AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 09:16 |
| Morandir | >_< | 09:16 |
| Morandir | grrrr | 09:16 |
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| Morandir | "/sbin/init: 428: cannot open dev/console: No such file"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 09:17 |
| Morandir | Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!!!!! | 09:17 |
| Tm_T | :p | 09:18 |
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| Morandir | pivot_root: no such file or dir | 09:18 |
| transgress | anyone know a linux specifically for low end systems? | 09:18 |
| Morandir | ;______________________________; | 09:18 |
| Morandir | transgress: damn small linux | 09:18 |
| amadeus | #nx | 09:18 |
| transgress | Morandir: damn small is a livecd i do believe | 09:18 |
| buz | can be installed to pretty much anything, actually | 09:18 |
| Tm_T | transgress: no its distro | 09:18 |
| Morandir | transgress; my cousin uses it on his laptop | 09:19 |
| buz | compact flash, usb stick you name it | 09:19 |
| buz | but its pretty limited | 09:19 |
| philipacamaniac | osh: run kaffeine --verbose from a Konsole (command line) to see if any error messages point to the problem | 09:19 |
| philipacamaniac | osh: The xine engine will tell us if it is a region problem | 09:20 |
| buz | is there any way to make thunderbird open pdfs in kpdf? | 09:20 |
| buz | transgress: how low end is that machine | 09:21 |
| osh | philipacamaniac: I'm alread on that. I found a sf.net page describing the problem. I'll let you know how it goes. Apparantly this is a common problem... | 09:22 |
| transgress | buz: it's a 633mghz with 32 megs of ram | 09:22 |
| transgress | the ram being the bigger of the two problems | 09:23 |
| buz | cant you upgrade it? | 09:23 |
| philipacamaniac | osh: excellent! Until next time... I gotta go. Adios! | 09:23 |
| buz | 32 is truly a little low | 09:23 |
| transgress | buz: keep meaning to, but i haven't gotten around to it... eh back in the day 32 was awesome | 09:23 |
| transgress | back before my day 32 was seen as impossible | 09:23 |
| buz | huh | 09:23 |
| buz | back in the day when i had 166mhz 32 was about right??? | 09:23 |
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| hussam | Riddell: I've been meaning to ask this. how come we running qt 3.3.3 and not 3.3.4 ? I thought kde 3.4 required qt 3.3.4. | 09:27 |
| hussam | ok guys, see you later . I have to go to bed. | 09:29 |
| Riddell | Qt >= 3.3.2 is required | 09:32 |
| lonewolff | just a quick question, i know nice lets you start a program with modified sheduling but can you do it to already running programs? | 09:32 |
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| osh | libdvdcss debug: cracking title key | 09:35 |
| osh | libdvdcss error: read error | 09:35 |
| osh | libdvdcss debug: read error, resorting to secret arcanes to recover | 09:35 |
| osh | libdvdcss debug: opening target `/dev/hdc' | 09:35 |
| osh | libdvdcss debug: using libc for access | 09:35 |
| osh | libdvdcss error: read error | 09:35 |
| osh | libdvdcss debug: end of title reached | 09:35 |
| osh | libdvdcss debug: 0 of 0 attempts successful, 0 of 0 blocks scrambled | 09:35 |
| osh | libdvdcss debug: title key is 00:00:00:00:00 | 09:35 |
| osh | libdvdcss error: fatal error in vts css key | 09:35 |
| osh | libdvdcss error: read error | 09:35 |
| osh | input_dvd: Error getting next block from DVD (Error reading NAV packet.) | 09:35 |
| osh | That's my error when it comes to playing DVD's. Anyone have hint for me I'm all ears... =) | 09:35 |
| transgress | yeah | 09:36 |
| transgress | here is the hint | 09:36 |
| transgress | use #flood next time | 09:36 |
| Tm_T | flood :p | 09:39 |
| osh | transgress: Right. Will do. Although traffic on the channel wasn't overwhelming right now so it couldn't have affected a lot of people. | 09:39 |
| Tm_T | =) | 09:39 |
| Tm_T | osh: yeah, no harm done, but good manners etc ;) | 09:40 |
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| Tm_T | hih :) | 09:41 |
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| ravel | hmm, it would be nice if a friendly distribution like (K)Ubuntu would have explicit help about how to do the apt-pinning from Debian | 09:44 |
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| _ali | hello | 09:45 |
| Tm_T | apt-pinning? | 09:46 |
| ravel | yes. | 09:47 |
| Tm_T | hmm | 09:47 |
| Tm_T | I suppose to know, but just can't remember... | 09:47 |
| Tm_T | more coffee then :p | 09:47 |
| ravel | actually, I am surprised that on the ubuntu or kubuntu site there is no help with this | 09:47 |
| ravel | It would be logical that many would use apt to move to (k)ubuntu, not just download some cd | 09:48 |
| Tm_T | ah! | 09:48 |
| Tm_T | many (K)Ubuntu users are "newbies" who have linux first time | 09:49 |
| Tm_T | so? | 09:49 |
| ravel | apt is the friendly thing that makes updating easy - for newbies, for example, so why not give them a chance to do it that way :-) | 09:50 |
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| buz | i would assume a cross upgrade to kubuntu would be a painful exercise | 09:52 |
| buz | i couldnt even downgrade breezy to hoary with apt pinning | 09:52 |
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| ravel | well, crimsun suggested that I move from Debian to Kubuntu using apt-pinning | 09:53 |
| Tm_T | ravel: eh, updating happens using apt ;) | 09:53 |
| ravel | tm_t...? | 09:53 |
| Tm_T | uhm, I mean, how pinning help "newbie" users? | 09:54 |
| ravel | ok, I don't know how easy process is apt-pinning - after you have changed the preferences file etc | 09:54 |
| ravel | (in this particular case) | 09:54 |
| buz | i'd say take a cd and install from that one | 09:55 |
| buz | you can keep your home | 09:55 |
| buz | but make a backup first | 09:55 |
| ravel | too bad that I don't have much free space right now | 09:55 |
| Tm_T | heh | 09:56 |
| Tm_T | I need another 160G HD | 09:57 |
| Tm_T | so I can clean this one | 09:57 |
| ravel | btw, do you happen to know why KDE 3.4 is not in (any) Debian yet? | 09:57 |
| Tm_T | ravel: eh, _Debian_ | 09:57 |
| philipacamaniac | Because its Debian | 09:57 |
| ravel | I just booted my new Origin 200 GIGAchannel for the first time (though I am not planning to install Linux on it) | 09:57 |
| Tm_T | ravel: ask from package maintainer | 09:58 |
| kay | ravel, it is not because Sarge needs to be released | 09:58 |
| Tm_T | yeah | 09:58 |
| ravel | (not even in unstable) | 09:58 |
| kay | And at the time, KDE 3.3 was picked | 09:58 |
| ravel | ok. | 09:58 |
| kay | Unstable serves testing right now | 09:58 |
| Tm_T | yup | 09:59 |
| kay | Once Sarge releases, you will probably see them pick up what Kubuntu did so far | 09:59 |
| Tm_T | ravel: so why not use svn | 09:59 |
| ravel | tm_t: to what purpose? | 09:59 |
| Tm_T | ravel: to get newest kde ofcourse ;) | 10:00 |
| Tm_T | newest and bestest | 10:00 |
| kay | I am trying to build SVN on Breezy right now | 10:00 |
| philipacamaniac | At the risk of sounding redundant, "because its Debian". They are infamous for ultra-slow release cycles, and never having the newest and bestest | 10:00 |
| kay | And it feels ... breezy :p | 10:00 |
| ravel | ah. I am quite satisfied with 3.3, was just interested to know the reason for not 3.4 in unstable | 10:00 |
| philipacamaniac | kay: let us know how that goes | 10:00 |
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| ravel | philip, I was not asking why KDE in stable Debian is 2.x :-) | 10:01 |
| kay | philipacamaniac, well, libglu-xorg-dev is needed and it removed konqueror | 10:02 |
| kay | That hurts somewhat and condemns my compile to success too :p | 10:02 |
| philipacamaniac | kay: ACK! Well, good news is, 3.4.1 will be released next week, and Riddell promised Kubuntu packages. | 10:02 |
| KaiL_ | ravel: 3.0 wasn't 2 years old on release :) | 10:02 |
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| vanRijn | dangit | 10:02 |
| vanRijn | I'm using kubuntu hoary hedgehog and my usb mouse occasionally stops working | 10:03 |
| kay | philipacamaniac, I have some with 3.4.1 pre here already, kdepim and kdemultimedia i think, but kdebase is still old | 10:03 |
| vanRijn | in X | 10:03 |
| vanRijn | anyone else see this? | 10:03 |
| kay | Hm... vanRijn when you look at dmesg output, do you see something at the end? | 10:04 |
| ravel | I am wondering if KDE 4.0 will sport some of the OSX Tiger features | 10:04 |
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| philipacamaniac | How do I create a cdrom-based apt repository? What is the specific structure? | 10:04 |
| kay | ravel, what should that be? | 10:04 |
| _ali | ravel > like ? | 10:05 |
| philipacamaniac | ravel: Kat (not in official KDE yet) promises desktop search | 10:05 |
| KaiL_ | ravel: which features? | 10:05 |
| philipacamaniac | ravel: Superkaramba has done for years what Dashboard is now doing | 10:05 |
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| KaiL_ | kay: kdebase 3.4.1 is "on the way" and seams to work a lot better | 10:06 |
| vanRijn | kay: nothing about usb | 10:06 |
| buz | yeah when will we get it ? | 10:06 |
| ravel | kay, philip, ali, desktop search, support for lots of metadata, vector-based resolution independent desktop rendering (whatever) | 10:06 |
| KaiL_ | ...which is not that complicate if we look at konqueror :) | 10:06 |
| KaiL_ | ravel: desktop search is in the work | 10:06 |
| kay | Metadata is certain, desktop search the purpose... that's going to happen, independent though, talk about this is years old | 10:07 |
| KaiL_ | vector based rendering: duno, but KDE is at least already way more res independant than Windows :) | 10:07 |
| ravel | yes | 10:07 |
| KaiL_ | what's meant with "metadata"? | 10:07 |
| philipacamaniac | my Konqueror has a realtime filter bar (type and it filters contents), and kiolocate find me anything anywhere (although I wish it was sorted via metadata) | 10:07 |
| kay | Like where things came from KaiL_ | 10:08 |
| philipacamaniac | extra data information about each file | 10:08 |
| ravel | and, also will Konqueror be able to render Acid2 correctly in near future | 10:08 |
| pv | Will it have user-writable comments for files? | 10:08 |
| kay | When you save a file from the mail attachment, the file will still be associated to that mail and later you will find it still | 10:08 |
| KaiL_ | pv: nobody know for now | 10:09 |
| kay | KDE 4 is for now only porting to Qt 4 in the ldelibs as far as I know | 10:09 |
| philipacamaniac | Taking advantage of 3D rendering cards (like what they're doing over at Metacity and Enlighment) would be sweet. | 10:10 |
| kay | Some people have things in the making about metadata APIs, but that will certainly see discussion and demos before the time comes | 10:10 |
| KaiL_ | kay: afaik there'll be some more things in or short after 4.0 | 10:11 |
| kay | philipacamaniac, that is the job of X11, not KDE | 10:11 |
| philipacamaniac | kay: taking advantage of them correctly is the job of KDE | 10:11 |
| ravel | AmigaOS was/is nice, there is a command called comment | 10:11 |
| philipacamaniac | like the translucency options now available in the Control Center | 10:11 |
| kay | ravel, did you use it? | 10:11 |
| KaiL_ | philipacamaniac: this exists in kde3.4, but is disabled, because it's slow like hell and a bit unstable | 10:11 |
| ravel | you could write comments that would show below the filename with the list command | 10:12 |
| ravel | kay, sometimes, especially when swapping files (mod music, demos) with friends | 10:12 |
| philipacamaniac | KaiL: no kidding! Especially on my ATI Radeon 9700 Pro. It would be great to see more rendering efforts go in to KDE4. | 10:12 |
| kay | Some people are sure to do this, philipacamaniac, because they can :) | 10:13 |
| KaiL_ | philipacamaniac: google for "composite". | 10:13 |
| kay | Other people are going to complain how pointless it is | 10:13 |
| KaiL_ | but be warned: VERY slow | 10:13 |
| buz | unusably slow | 10:13 |
| philipacamaniac | KaiL: I meant that I have done it. It sucked big donkeys. | 10:14 |
| kay | It is alpha stuff so far | 10:14 |
| KaiL_ | the step to make it fast is now on the driver side | 10:14 |
| kay | Xorg does not enable it by default yet for a reason | 10:14 |
| philipacamaniac | Ahh, I understand your points now | 10:14 |
| kay | It also crashes and stuff | 10:14 |
| buz | are there any cards that actually can do composite fast | 10:14 |
| philipacamaniac | Maybe newer NVidia? | 10:15 |
| KaiL_ | buz: nop. | 10:15 |
| buz | it sure looks tasty | 10:15 |
| KaiL_ | cards could, but drivers not | 10:15 |
| buz | but it's fucking slow | 10:15 |
| philipacamaniac | Doesn't the GNOME camp have this going at a useable state? | 10:15 |
| KaiL_ | maybe the do this without composite? | 10:16 |
| KaiL_ | they.. | 10:16 |
| buz | gnome camp uses Xgl for their eyecandy demos | 10:16 |
| KaiL_ | is that more usable? | 10:17 |
| philipacamaniac | Anyway, I would just love to see it eventually. | 10:17 |
| vanRijn | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-8001.html | 10:18 |
| vanRijn | hmmm. looks like a common problem | 10:18 |
| KaiL_ | vanRijn: FSC? :) | 10:19 |
| KaiL_ | on the E8010 you need to restart the X-Server sometimes to get all mice back | 10:19 |
| KaiL_ | or better switch to console and switch back | 10:20 |
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| vanRijn | KaiL_: fsc? | 10:21 |
| KaiL_ | Fujitsu-Siemens Computers | 10:21 |
| vanRijn | o | 10:21 |
| vanRijn | I've an IBM thinkpad A31 | 10:21 |
| vanRijn | and this never happened with fedora core 3 | 10:21 |
| vanRijn | =:/ | 10:21 |
| KaiL_ | hmm... | 10:21 |
| KaiL_ | is fc3 also kernel 2.6.10? | 10:21 |
| KaiL_ | btw, you have touchpad + stick? | 10:22 |
| vanRijn | I have an eraser mouse in the middle of the thinkpad keyboard and a usb mouse | 10:22 |
| jbn-o | FC3 is Linux kernel 2.6.10 (actually, their version now is 2.6.11, but...) | 10:22 |
| vanRijn | yes | 10:23 |
| vanRijn | and I've been using 2.6.10 for quite a while (vanilla) without this problem | 10:23 |
| vanRijn | *sigh* | 10:23 |
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| jbn-o | bbl... | 10:23 |
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| beldar | hi | 10:30 |
| beldar | someone can tellme how to make a CLASSPATH in kubuntu? | 10:31 |
| beldar | plz? | 10:31 |
| kay | well, isn't that just an environment variable that you set? | 10:31 |
| beldar | not all at the same time plz | 10:32 |
| beldar | ehm | 10:32 |
| beldar | but how i set it | 10:32 |
| beldar | i found somewhere that i have to edit .tcshrc | 10:32 |
| kay | in bash: export CLASSPATH:/here/something:/there | 10:32 |
| beldar | oh | 10:32 |
| beldar | thnx | 10:32 |
| kay | to make it really persistent, edit /etc/environment and place CLASSPATH=/something:/else there | 10:33 |
| beldar | but i want to link it to a directori | 10:34 |
| beldar | what I have to put in else there | 10:34 |
| beldar | export CLASSPATH /home/beldar | 10:34 |
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| beldar | i can put just that? | 10:34 |
| kay | you missed the = | 10:34 |
| beldar | oh k | 10:35 |
| kay | Well, do you KNOW what a classpath is? | 10:35 |
| beldar | yes yes | 10:35 |
| beldar | it's done | 10:35 |
| beldar | thanx!! | 10:35 |
| kay | my pleasure :p | 10:35 |
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| beldar | all yours ^ ^ | 10:36 |
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| hans_ | why cant i watch movies in fullscreen mode in mplayer? | 10:46 |
| msb | hans_: i have same problem | 10:47 |
| msb | hans_: mplayer filename -zoom | 10:47 |
| vanRijn | hm | 10:50 |
| vanRijn | incidentally, the little reset button on the bottom of my wireless usb mousie helps with the annoying mouse-doesn't-work problem | 10:51 |
| Firetech | hans_: mplayer -fs -zoom filename (or for the one in the menu, with gui: gmplayer -zoom filename) | 10:58 |
| hans_ | thx | 10:59 |
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| hans_ | when starting mplayer a error message flashes: font path wrong....what to do? | 11:04 |
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| YourSQL | Hello again :D | 11:07 |
| hans_ | "is says New_Face failed. maybe the font path is wrong" whats wrong? | 11:07 |
| _ali | bye | 11:16 |
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| osh | hans_: Perhaps the font path is wrong? | 11:26 |
| philipacamaniac | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/view/1104 Redhat+Trolltech=Good? | 11:27 |
| vanRijn | hm, okay, so, I have another problem, and I've always had it with debian-based distros, I believe.... I have a laptop and use it both a work and home over wireless network connection. The routing and dns information is obviously very different between the two environments. And whenever I go home/work and switch environments, I have to restart my web browsers, etc., because they all don't seem to recognize that the DNS/network | 11:29 |
| vanRijn | stuff has changed. Anyone have any idea on how to make this better? | 11:29 |
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| bkudria | does (k)ubuntu package kde's kiosktool? | 11:32 |
| osh | bkudria: apt-cache search kiosktool would perhaps answer that? | 11:34 |
| Tm_T | philipacamaniac: wtf?! | 11:37 |
| philipacamaniac | Tm_T: Exactly! Found that on a kde devel's personal blog, and though the same exact thing. | 11:38 |
| philipacamaniac | Tm_T: *thought | 11:38 |
| Tm_T | ok, from user level, rpm hell... no way! | 11:39 |
| Tm_T | from dev level, hey, where's competition then? | 11:39 |
| Tm_T | we _need_ race between distros etc | 11:40 |
| philipacamaniac | So you mean to say that Debian/Ubuntu and others will the shaft if that were to happen? | 11:40 |
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| Tm_T | I mean, there must be much different companies around there | 11:45 |
| Tm_T | not one giant and then many small | 11:46 |
| Tm_T | and I afraid that if redhat buys trolltech, it will become too big | 11:46 |
| Tm_T | and I afraid that if redhat buys trolltech, trolltech will change too much | 11:47 |
| Tm_T | you got the point? | 11:47 |
| philipacamaniac | Yeah, i don't want it to happen either. Doubt it will. | 11:49 |
| Tm_T | yeah | 11:51 |
| Tm_T | I think trolltech does have own plans | 11:52 |
| osh | Interesting article. He's got a point I think. MySQL does the same thing. Double licensing I mean. | 11:52 |
| philipacamaniac | gtg..bye! | 11:56 |
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| bkudria | osh, sorry, i was in another window...it doesn't have anything...wher can i submit a request to have it packaged? | 11:56 |
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| osh | bkudria: I have no idea. I'm a new kubuntu user myself. Perhaps www.debian.org can help. | 11:57 |
| osh | bkudria: kubuntu uses debian pakcages too. | 11:57 |
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