[12:13] <pointwood> anyone else experienced problems with firefox? like ie. not being able to delete any bookmarks or cookies?
[12:15] <uniq> well.. i'll call it a day.. gnite.
[12:17] <SlicerDicer-> well I usto have that with internet explorer back in the day when I used windows pointwood
[12:18] <pointwood> that's really a bit help SlicerDicer ;)
[12:21] <AMIGrAve> got a default 75dpi detection by xorg but fonts under gtk apps are too small ( http://amigrave.com/upload/posts/ubuntu/snapshot1.png ) should I force the use of a bigger dpi setting or is there another way ?
[12:28] <SlicerDicer-> pointwood, sorry I dont know otherwise lol
[12:57] <apollo2011_> Where is the grub config files stored on kubuntu? it incorrectly detected my suse os, because I also had a Xen entry which doesn't work.  I would rahter use the SuSE grub loader anyway.  I need to know the info to manually add kubuntu to suse grub
[12:58] <apollo2011_> nvm, found the menu.lst in boot/grub
[01:15] <Blissex> AMIGrAve: you can force a bigger DPI but it is better to do things properly... Things are a bit of a mess though.
[01:19] <N17r0> anyone knows where the profile folder for firefox is located in kubuntu ?
[01:28] <apollo2011> How do I install the nvidia driver and get 3d support?
[01:31] <apollo2011> How do I install the nvidia driver and get 3d support?
[01:34] <alonso> Hellooooooooooo
[01:34] <alonso> how do i fuckinh use this
[01:34] <alonso> ?
[01:35] <alonso> can anyone ready my messages or I'm invisible
[01:35] <darut> you 're visible
[01:36] <alonso> yayyyy 
[01:36] <alonso> where can I get some help with my distro?
[01:48] <sirukin> hmm
[01:48] <sirukin> I'm compiling subversion, it needs the berkeley db
[01:49] <sirukin> what's it in the apt repositories?
[02:04] <transgress> okay when hotplugging my external hard drive into my desktop dmesg spits this at me:
[02:04] <transgress> end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 0
[02:04] <transgress> Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 0
[02:04] <transgress> i just reformatted this drive as it was ntfs and i thought that to be the problem
[02:04] <transgress> but it's not... and the only thing that seems to want to mount it is gnome
[02:16] <transgress> bleh
[02:22] <toonX> got a strange problem with kubuntu , the artsd keeps crashing and crashing ! can't play anything in Kaffeine or amaroK! 
[02:23] <toonX> xmms is about the only music program that "works" with artsd
[02:23] <toonX> any ideas?
[02:32] <Vjaz> Hi. I'm wondering, is there any significant difference between installing Kubuntu or installing Ubuntu and then installing KDE (and removing Gnome)? 
[02:33] <Vjaz> I'm interested in trying Kubuntu out, but I want to know if I'm missing out on something if I just install KDE on my Ubuntu bo.
[02:33] <Vjaz> box*
[02:36] <Vjaz> So if I do an 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop', is the result mostly the same as installing Kubuntu from scratch?
[02:38] <crimsun> essentially.
[02:39] <Vjaz> Good.
[02:40] <Vjaz> I guess I might need to change GDM to KDM myself?
[03:00] <N17R0> alright i have Kubuntu, and i downloaded the newest firefox .tar.gz and run the setup and then i choose to let it install to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox. But i can't run it via the KDE menu, only via console with ./firefox command. So i remove the folder mozilla-firefox to install it on the official way using kynaptic, but now i cant run it at all even with the ./firefox command it aint working.
[03:18] <transgress> N17R0: why not add it when the menu config?
[03:18] <N17R0> u mean kde menu? 
[03:19] <N17R0> i did that but its not starting
[03:20] <leandro_> Hi. I would like to install libvisual to get visualizations on amarok. I couldn't find the packge. I have universe and multiverse in my sources.list. This packege is avaliable for kubuntu?
[03:24] <crimsun> leandro_: no, it's not
[03:28] <leandro_> Does anyone tried touse a package from debian? It wirks?
[03:28] <leandro_> this package (libvisual
[03:29] <crimsun> I'd recompile it for Kubuntu
[03:33] <leandro_> Yes. It is a better idea.
[03:49] <N17R0> is it safe to install software from the backport ftp ?
[03:49] <N17R0> what is backport for ?
[03:49] <crimsun> I'd avoid it
[03:50] <crimsun> whether it's safe is not something I can answer
[03:51] <N17R0> ok, but is it something like release candidates before the being added to the official repersotry ?
[03:52] <N17R0> i mean what is the purpose of the backports ?
[03:54] <Vjaz> Is it possible to get Opera like "rocker" gestures for moving back and forth in history for Konqueror?
[03:55] <Vjaz> Hold left button, press right button for forward, and hold right button, press left button for back.
[04:30] <Brazmetal> does anybody here stream audio?
[04:30] <crimsun> I do
[04:31] <sirukin> I stream my audio to uranus!
[04:32] <Brazmetal> crimsun, what do you use?
[04:33] <sirukin> I use a stethascope and headphones.
[04:33] <crimsun> I use ices2 and icecast2
[04:33] <crimsun> for the decoder, usually ogg123, mpg321, or faad
[04:34] <Brazmetal> crimsun, do you mean the encoder, don't you?
[04:34] <Brazmetal> man, I have a problem..
[04:34] <Brazmetal> I use shoutcast... And I can stream audio
[04:34] <Brazmetal> using the sc_trans encoder
[04:34] <Brazmetal> or the muse-stremer...
[04:35] <crimsun> Brazmetal: no - ogg123, mpg321, and faad are all decoders
[04:35] <Brazmetal> but I have some problems with hese apps
[04:35] <crimsun> Brazmetal: ices2 is the encoder
[04:35] <Furic> Hey linux people
[04:35] <Brazmetal> crimsun, ah... and why do you need a decoder to stream audio?:
[04:35] <Furic> im looking to have ubuntu wallpapers in kdesktop, where can i find them in my system, ubuntu-artwork is installed
[04:36] <crimsun> Brazmetal: because the music files are on a remote drive
[04:36] <Brazmetal> ahhh
[04:36] <crimsun> they have to be decoded to stdout and fed to ices2
[04:36] <Brazmetal> ah I understand
[04:36] <Brazmetal> so, How is Ices2?
[04:37] <Furic> oh nevermind, i found em
[04:37] <Brazmetal> i mean... is it capable of chosing songs at any moment? Can I stream my microphone input too?
[04:37] <crimsun> Brazmetal: works well enough for my personal tastes
[04:38] <crimsun> Brazmetal: ices2 is only an encoder. It doesn't shuffle, repeat, or whatever.
[04:38] <crimsun> Yes, you can grab from mic input.
[04:38] <Brazmetal> crimsun, so what do you do to have these options?
[04:39] <crimsun> You'd configure alsamixer, arecord to stdout -> ices2's stdin
[04:39] <Brazmetal> ehehhehe complicated
[04:41] <crimsun> not really
[04:53] <verden01> Hey
[04:54] <cantenna> hey verden01
[05:00] <Brazmetal> for the users of Kubuntu... Using the lastest versions of kde I could realize that when an app freezes, and you try to close it, few seconds after, a dialog appears asking if you want to kill the app... But this is not happening with Kubuntu...What's the problem?
[05:54] <Morandir> anyone around?
[06:02] <Morandir> having issues with kernel panic after apt-get upgrade...
[06:09] <Morandir> yep
[07:17] <Morandir> sooooo
[07:17] <Morandir> bout that kernel.. anyone around?
[07:18] <sirukin> hmm
[07:19] <sirukin> anyone sucessful with bootsplash and ubuntu?
[07:22] <Morandir> im not even sucessful w/ubuntu atm...
[07:22] <Morandir> the kernel keeps panicing...
[07:22] <Morandir> :(
[07:23] <nate__> thats weird
[07:25] <Morandir> yeah
[07:26] <Morandir> and his 5L keg of Heinekien
[07:26] <zenum> does anyone know how to make the windows button bring up the KDE menu?
[07:35] <brandonn> zenum: http://docsrv.sco.com:8457/en/kdefaq/configure.html#AEN1914
[07:41] <zenum> hrmmm that site doesnt seem to be loading...
[07:42] <zenum> nvm, just a proxy prblem
[07:48] <wsg> anyone know the link to the nvidia installer for ubuntu 
[07:52] <nate__> wsg, google.com/linux
[07:53] <nate__> wsg, there is an ubuntu repository with it
[07:53] <Morandir> anyone else have trouple with the 2.6?.10 kernel?
[08:14] <sirukin> http://kalatlug.nanofreesoft.org/Projects/splashy/relases/splashy_0.1-5_i386.deb
[08:15] <SlicerDicer-> anybody have a idea why something would be working I kill X cause its locked then when it comes back up libSDL is gone AWOL
[08:15] <sirukin> I've been having a few problems with either x or kde as well
[08:15] <sirukin> specifically with the handling of large urls in firefox
[08:27] <sirukin> I bid thee all goodnight. *bows*
[09:09] <Ghetek> anybody know of a good apt-getable program that does stuff with html, something like dreamweaver?
[09:10] <Tm_T> Ghetek: quanta+
[09:14] <Tezkah> am I allowed to be in this room while I use icewm?
[09:14] <Tezkah> I should probably be banned
[09:15] <Tm_T> haha
[09:15] <Tm_T> yes you should!!1
[09:15] <Tm_T> ;p
[09:15] <Tm_T> hey, I use WMaker sometimes
[09:24] <phxguy> Can Someone Help me out.... My Kubuntu won't Boot
[09:30] <Tm_T> hmm, at all?
[09:31] <phxguy> I just a kernal upgrade from synaptic and now i get a kernal panic
[09:32] <Tm_T> ok, so you got wrong/broken kernel
[09:32] <Tm_T> boot to other kernel then
[09:32] <phxguy> they do the same thing
[09:32] <Tm_T> eh?
[09:33] <Tm_T> oh please tell you have 2.6.10.5 there too?
[09:33] <Tm_T> I mean 2.6.10-5
[09:33] <phxguy> yup 2-6-10-5
[09:33] <Tm_T> and it doesn't work?
[09:34] <phxguy> nope doesn't boot...  kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) on boot
[09:34] <Tm_T> ah!
[09:34] <Tm_T> :o
[09:35] <phxguy> apparently the latest kernal from the ubuntu ppl is broken... There is already a bug report on it
[09:35] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:35] <Morandir> phxguy!
[09:35] <phxguy> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11135
[09:35] <Tm_T> I don't know about it, haven't boot this week yet
[09:35] <Morandir> I'm haveing the same problem right now
[09:36] <Morandir> -e
[09:36] <phxguy> yup this sux really big donkey dick
[09:37] <Tm_T> oh no :o
[09:38] <Tm_T> note to self: don't boot yet ;p
[09:38] <phxguy> yeah DONT BOOT
[09:38] <phxguy> OR youll be screwed like me
[09:38] <Tm_T> well, no need to reboot =)
[09:39] <Tm_T> and I don't think I'm in trouble, I have other kernels that works ok
[09:39] <Tm_T> 2.6.11 stuff
[09:39] <Tm_T> they didn't broke them yet ;p
[09:39] <Tm_T> Riddell: ping
[09:40] <Gonzalo> I don't know if this is the place to do it or if any of the developers hang out here.
[09:40] <Gonzalo> But Kubuntu is one of the finest distributions I have ever used.
[09:41] <Tm_T> heh
[09:41] <DiabloD3> ubuntu does rock quite hard
[09:41] <Gonzalo> I tried it, sort of reluctantly, and have been using it for 2 months now. Not once has it frozen on me. It is the most pleasant distro I have ever used.
[09:41] <Morandir> for some of us its being a pain in th @$$ right now
[09:41] <Gonzalo> Morandir: why?
[09:42] <Gonzalo> I have been using it intensely for a while and I wasn't a believer. :)
[09:42] <Morandir> 1. update kernel - kernel panic
[09:42] <Morandir> 2. switch resolution machine freezes
[09:42] <Tm_T> :o
[09:42] <Morandir> 3. install latest ati drivers, apps dont work
[09:42] <Gonzalo> Morandir: Don't scare me, because the last thing I did before turnig off the machine today was update the kernel.
[09:42] <Morandir> Gonzalo: have fun
[09:43] <Tm_T> Gonzalo: hmm, 10 or 11?
[09:43] <Gonzalo> I can't recall. It's on my laptop.
[09:43] <phxguy> Gonzalo, well then you are screwed too
[09:43] <Morandir> Gonzalo: it looks like grub isnt being told where the correct boot locations are or somethinglike that
[09:43] <Gonzalo> And my wife is sleeping in the room where the laptop is.
[09:43] <Morandir> Tm_T: how do you get 11?
[09:43] <Gonzalo> It came through an apt-get update/apt-get upgrade.
[09:43] <Tm_T> Morandir: I used apt-get ;)
[09:44] <phxguy> Gonzalo, the latest kernel is broken
[09:44] <Morandir> I used apt-get and it gave me 10
[09:44] <Gonzalo> Well, I know how to use grub to point it to the correct location if needs be.
[09:44] <Morandir> and broke my machine
[09:44] <Gonzalo> Oh, shit!
[09:44] <Tm_T> Morandir: yeah, you have to ask 11
[09:44] <Gonzalo> Let me check things out.
[09:44] <Gonzalo> I am going to go and pull that laptop right now.
[09:44] <Tm_T> heh
[09:44] <Tm_T> Gonzalo: good luck ;)
[09:44] <Morandir> Gonzalo: I tried that but to no avail (since on a software raid (DONT ASK >_<) I dont have anything mounted by the grub)
[09:46] <Gonzalo> This thing is coming right up!
[09:46] <Gonzalo> I am breathing a big freaking sigh of relief!
[09:47] <phxguy> you are either not booting the updated kernal or you should buy a few lottery tickets
[09:47] <Morandir> Gonzalo: how fortunate you are... unlike some of us who most likely will be building the kernel ourselves
[09:47] <Morandir> nope: its booting the updated kernel
[09:47] <Gonzalo> I might have spoken a little too soon. 
[09:47] <Gonzalo> Hold on
[09:48] <Morandir> uh oh
[09:48] <Morandir> cross your fingers
[09:48] <Gonzalo> It seems stuck at trying to bring up the network interface
[09:48] <Morandir> hrmm...
[09:49] <Morandir> is there a card in there thats not installed or installed but not connected? that could cause hang
[09:49] <Gonzalo> It came up!
[09:49] <Morandir> whew
[09:49] <Gonzalo> I am running 2.6.10-5-686
[09:50] <Gonzalo> Is that the one that is supposed to be broken?
[09:51] <dewey> ok I need to mount some other parts of my HD like hda10 so how do I do that in kubuntu?
[09:51] <Gonzalo> dewey: what filesystem?
[09:52] <Gonzalo> mount -t ext3 /dev/hda10 /some/mountpoint
[09:52] <Gonzalo> Change that command to match whatever file system you are using.
[09:53] <Tm_T> sometimes you don't have to give type
[09:53] <dewey> ext3
[09:53] <Gonzalo> Try the command above as root
[09:53] <Gonzalo> Or use sudo if you are using that.
[09:54] <Tm_T> or su -c "foobar" ;p
[09:54] <Church_of_FoamY> anyone know why i am getting dependancy errors while trying to install cedega?
[09:55] <Gonzalo> What dependencies?
[09:55] <Church_of_FoamY> don't know
[09:55] <Church_of_FoamY> i don't know how to get it to tell me
[09:55] <Gonzalo> What happens when you try to install?
[09:55] <Gonzalo> Post the error messages here
[09:56] <Church_of_FoamY> it says that it can't install because there are dependency isshues while instaling cedega
[09:56] <Church_of_FoamY> thats al it tells me
[09:56] <Church_of_FoamY> so i would asume that i need something else to install it
[09:57] <Church_of_FoamY> i just don't know what
[09:58] <Church_of_FoamY> nevermind lol it was libpng3
[09:58] <Church_of_FoamY> it needed
[10:07] <ole> hi all
[10:08] <ole> i am quite new to linux, and i could realy need a little bit of help right now. 
[10:08] <Tm_T> ok, so shoot me
[10:09] <ole> i cant find the information about the root password in concole
[10:09] <ole> console*
[10:09] <Tm_T> there is none if you don't set it
[10:09] <ole> 2nd my konq crashed over 5 times already. is there a way to check my HDD for errors ?
[10:10] <Tm_T> well, konqi is crashy in some cases, no it's not your HD
[10:10] <ole> i didint set a root password in installation, just a user password. wich seems not to give me SU access in console
[10:12] <ole> i think i got a bigger problem, casue my "personal folder" shows all files in there always twize. and when i delte one of the twins, both are gone. and konq crashed over 5 times in 2 hours of system up :S
[10:12] <Tm_T> hmm
[10:12] <Tm_T> strange
[10:12] <snowseal_> ole you have raid hard-disks?
[10:13] <ole> no. a new 160gig hdd
[10:13] <snowseal_> only one hdd
[10:13] <Tm_T> ok, I don't know, sorry :/
[10:14] <ole> yes only one hdd. np tim
[10:14] <ole> i thought maybe hdd is broken
[10:14] <Tm_T> tim?
[10:14] <ole> so i wanted to "scandisk" it :)
[10:15] <Gonzalo> Hi guys, I got disconnected before.
[10:15] <Gonzalo> So my only problem with the kernel upgrade is that dhcp no longer works.
[10:15] <Gonzalo> Static IPs work fine.
[10:15] <Tm_T> Gonzalo: hmm, funny ;p
[10:15] <ole> syslog say for example (line 559) May 26 10:03:27 localhost kernel: hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadC
[10:16] <ole> BadCRC }*
[10:16] <Gonzalo> yeah, I came here to tell you how good life had been. I am telling you, the minute you open your mouth...
[10:16] <ca3sar> :)
[10:16] <ole> syslog is spamed wiht such lines at about any 20-60 seconds
[10:18] <Gonzalo> Tm_T? What's intereting is that I couldn't find any dhcpd daemon under /etc/init.d/
[10:18] <Tm_T> haha
[10:18] <Gonzalo> Which dhcp client does Kubuntu use?
[10:18] <Tm_T> good guestion
[10:19] <Gonzalo> well, could you look under /etc/init.d/ to see if you have anything resembling a dhcp client in your install?
[10:19] <Tm_T> hmm, there's none :p
[10:20] <Gonzalo> That boggles the mind. That's the same thing I found.
[10:20] <Gonzalo> I'll look into this a little more carefully tomorrow. 
[10:20] <Tm_T> but my dhcp works fine
[10:20] <Tm_T> dhcp3 ?
[10:21] <Gonzalo> Is that what you found? 
[10:21] <snowseal_> how to install mplayer?
[10:21] <snowseal_> apt-get does not know mplayer
[10:21] <Gonzalo> snowseal_: Do you need it?
[10:22] <snowseal_> i need a good media player
[10:22] <Gonzalo> kaffeine with the right codecs seems to play anything i throw atit.
[10:22] <snowseal_> kaffeine.. trying
[10:22] <Gonzalo> Go to ubuntuguide.org and install the win32codecs.
[10:22] <Tm_T> snowseal_: compile mplayer yourself, works much better
[10:22] <Gonzalo> You may want to install synaptic as well as it makes it easier than kynaptic to edit your repositories.
[10:22] <Tm_T> than apt-getting it
[10:23] <Tm_T> Gonzalo: nano ;)
[10:23] <Gonzalo> Nano works as well, of course.
[10:23] <snowseal_> so i'll install the codecs, then synaptic, then kaffeine?
[10:23] <Gonzalo> But lots of people in Kubuntu's audience are scared of the command line.
[10:23] <Gonzalo> snowseal_: That's the ticket.
[10:24] <Tm_T> Gonzalo: dhcp3 has files under /etc/ so I think ubuntu uses it
[10:24] <snowseal_> i like the command line power
[10:24] <Gonzalo> Make sure you have the correct repositories.
[10:24] <Gonzalo> The ubuntuguide.org is very good for this stuff. 
[10:24] <Gonzalo> Just follow the instructions there.
[10:24] <snowseal_> thanx m8
[10:25] <Gonzalo> With one caveat, add the marillat and other extras, but don't remove or overwrite your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[10:25] <Gonzalo> snowseal_: no problem, good luck.
[10:26] <Gonzalo> Tim_T: I am sure, I'll work it out tomorrow. I just can't do much with the laptop right now.
[10:26] <ca3sar> lol
[10:26] <ca3sar> it turned out oles problem was an old hdd cable ...
[10:27] <Gonzalo> And the desktop is running Suse 9.3 because that's what the folks at work use and I often have to do remote support.
[10:27] <Gonzalo> ca3sar: Was he the one that was talking about the kernel upgrade?
[10:27] <ca3sar> no, he was the one with the crc error
[10:27] <Gonzalo> oh...
[10:27] <Gonzalo> Yeah, faulty cables are often to blame for that.
[10:28] <ca3sar> he has to install everything again
[10:28] <ca3sar> yes he upgraded from an 6gb hdd
[10:28] <ca3sar> everything runs on udma5 without a udma cable....
[10:29] <snowseal_> yess, apt get vant find some codec packs
[10:29] <ca3sar> only a old pio mode cable ..
[10:29] <Tm_T> Gonzalo: Tim?
[10:29] <Gonzalo> ha?
[10:29] <Tm_T> 11:26 < Gonzalo> Tim_T:
[10:30] <Tm_T> wtf is Tim? ;p
[10:30] <Gonzalo> Don't know. Why?
[10:30] <Tm_T> ... so why you call me Tim then? =)
[10:31] <Gonzalo> lol. Shit, I guess Konversation's auto-completion isn't working too well.
[10:31] <Gonzalo> I hadn't noticed.
[10:31] <Gonzalo> Sorry
[10:31] <Tm_T> heh
[10:31] <Tm_T> np :)
[10:31] <Gonzalo> Guys, I am going to hit the sack, but I'll stop by on Sunday when I have a little time off. 
[10:31] <Tm_T> it's just funny
[10:31] <Tm_T> ok, see ya o/
[10:32] <Gonzalo> Thanks for the heads up. This channel also seems fairly friendly, so I'll be sure to send some friends over if they have questions.
[10:32] <Gonzalo> Take care
[10:45] <snowseal_> is there any free virtual mchine software ?
[10:45] <snowseal_> apart from freemware/plex86 wich is inmature
[10:54] <gwilma> Does anyone know how to increase the font size of gtk program menus in kde - at the moment all the kde apps have nice-sized fonts, but firefox, synaptic etc have tiny letters
[10:58] <Tm_T> gwilma: try gtk theme switcher app
[10:58] <gwilma> thanks Tm_T - where do I find that?
[10:58] <Tm_T> apt-cache search gtk | grep switch
[11:00] <gwilma> ta - installing at the moment. 
[11:06] <Riddell> Tm_T: pong
[11:07] <Tm_T> Riddell: looks like we have kernel issue?
[11:09] <Tm_T> I mean https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11135
[11:09] <Tm_T> I hope that won't be longtime problem
[11:27] <bdmp> Can someone tell me why I can type in Japanese in Kopete?
[11:28] <Tm_T> why not?
[11:29] <mikl> hmm, seems 3.4.1 is near
[11:29] <Tm_T> yup it is
[11:39] <shogouki> Tm_T i think s/why/how  ?
[11:40] <Tm_T> shogouki: I think so too :p
[11:41] <shogouki> i dont need to write french, english or japanese in kopete, i chat in latex
[11:41] <Tm_T> he
[11:41] <Tm_T> I don't use kopete
[11:43] <blitz> hi... i'm trying kubuntu... is there a reason for using KDE instead of Gnome? Any advantages?
[11:43] <shogouki> Tm_T what do you use for IM ?
[11:43] <shogouki> power, beauty, and sexual skills improvments
[11:44] <Tm_T> shogouki: gaim
[11:45] <shogouki> ouch
[11:45] <mikl> blitz: It's mostly a question of style :)
[11:45] <blitz> mikl: what is if you compare the speed of the 2?
[11:45] <mikl> blitz: well, I've used both and I see no real difference
[11:45] <Tm_T> blitz: you can't, but I'd say KDE wins ;)
[11:46] <shogouki> why dont just try and see what of 2 you prefer ?
[11:46] <shogouki> ah
[11:46] <mikl> but it's kinda hard to do a scientific study of which DE is faster
[11:47] <blitz> shogouki: i'm with gnome since 2.0 or sth. like that and with xfce 3.x... i used it because it is free... and qt wasn't really... but now I try to check the other solutions... everyone is chattering about kde... and i wanted to know why...
[11:47] <bdmp> Sorry I was gone for a sec.  I would use gaim but the text is so small that I can't make out the Japanese
[11:47] <blitz> okay... it looks not bad... but my default applications like gaim, xchat, firefox, thunderbird ... they suck ... not really integrated
[11:47] <shogouki> a nice feature of kde is dcop
[11:48] <bdmp> what is dcop
[11:48] <bdmp> ?
[11:48] <Tm_T> bdmp: you use amarok?
[11:48] <blitz> shogouki: thats one of the things why kde should be better oO
[11:48] <bdmp> yeah
[11:49] <mikl> well, my experience is that KDE is a lot more integrated than most linux-apps
[11:49] <Tm_T> ok, try in Konsole: "echo "`dcop amarok player nowPlaying` -- `dcop amarok player album`"
[11:49] <Tm_T> "
[11:49] <mikl> the different parts of the DE is capable of operating in unison
[11:50] <blitz> mikl: yeah but check the style of gtk-applications... they don't look really good
[11:50] <shogouki> just stop using gtk apps :)
[11:50] <Tm_T> blitz: they do look if make them to look ;)
[11:50] <mikl> blitz: that too ;)
[11:50] <Tm_T> +you
[11:50] <blitz> Tm_T: how should i force them to look like my gnome.env.
[11:50] <Tm_T> blitz: you can control gtk theme, you know ;)
[11:50] <shogouki> i love kde kparts mechanism too, like integration of kate or kaffeine in konqueror, of kghostview in kile etc...
[11:51] <blitz> but one thing I don't get... if i use my gnome-applications.. why should i use kde?
[11:51] <Tm_T> bdmp: you got it?
[11:51] <bdmp> no I get nothing
[11:51] <Tm_T> hmm?
[11:51] <shogouki> for me one point of the superiority of kde is that kde apss are better than gnome's
[11:52] <shogouki> apps*
[11:52] <blitz> shogouki: there we can start a flame ;)
[11:52] <Tm_T> bdmp: enter this: echo "`dcop amarok player nowPlaying`"
[11:53] <shogouki> were are on #Kubuntu, no flames, kde is better its a fact ;p
[11:53] <tango_> lol
[11:53] <Tm_T> yes!
[11:53] <blitz> lol
[11:53] <bdmp> couldn't attach dcop server
[11:53] <tango_> of course it would be even better if the live distribution automounted my hard disk partitions :\
[11:53] <Tm_T> bdmp: amarok is running?
[11:54] <bdmp> duh... no 
[11:54] <bdmp> sorry
[11:54] <Tm_T> haha
[11:54] <blitz> hm... i try to connect to a samba-share... error -.- kontact seems to be a nice thing but it has the same problem like evolution.. on inbox and no seperated accounts...
[11:54] <tango_> blitz, use mozilla :P
[11:54] <tango_> :D
[11:55] <blitz> tango_: yeah... gtk-application again -.-
[11:55] <tango_> lol
[11:55] <Tm_T> so?
[11:55] <Tm_T> what's wrong with gtk
[11:55] <bdmp> couldn't attach dcop server again
[11:55] <tango_> blitz, use kmail for your mail
[11:55] <blitz> Tm_T that i would like to use qt-applications in my qt-env.
[11:56] <Tm_T> blitz: hmm, I don't care if app works :)
[11:56] <Tm_T> bdmp: strange
[11:56] <bdmp> Hey anybody know how to fix a laptop that slowly works up to 100% cpu and won't stop and then gets really hot?
[11:57] <Tm_T> bdmp: "`dcop amarok player nowPlaying`"
[11:57] <bdmp> Tim_T: what does it do?
[11:57] <Tm_T> Pauli Hanhiniemen Perunateatteri - Hyv Asiaa
[11:57] <Tm_T> it gives your nowplaying info from amarok =)
[11:57] <bdmp> what do the " do?
[11:57] <Tm_T> sorry, bad copy
[11:57] <Tm_T> bdmp: and don't say Tim
[11:58] <Tm_T> bdmp: it was echo "... 
[11:58] <Tm_T> dcop is interface to contact apps
[11:59] <Tm_T> so I can control amaroK from Konsole
[11:59] <bdmp> Sorry miss read
[11:59] <Tm_T> or some other apps
[11:59] <bdmp> misread
[11:59] <bdmp> oh
[12:00] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/torsmo_003.png
[12:01] <bdmp> wow cool
[12:02] <tango_> Tm_T, what program is that?
[12:02] <Tm_T> tango_: torsmo
[12:03] <tango_> eh should have guessed that LOL
[12:04] <Vjaz> Hello, is it a typical problem in Kubuntu that khotkeys does not work?
[12:04] <Vjaz> I get this:
[12:04] <Vjaz> ERROR: Communication problem with khotkeys, it probably crashed.
[12:04] <Tm_T> hah
[12:04] <Vjaz> When I try to run 'khotkeys'.
[12:04] <Tm_T> kiva
[12:05] <Vjaz> ah damn, I've got to go, but I'll be back a little later.
[12:05] <Tm_T> tee se ;)
[12:13] <Tm_T> off we go ->
[01:04] <bdmp> I am trying to use Ark, but it says unrar is not in your path. How do I put it in the path?
[01:05] <andre> some one telme a good tutorial to learn C linguage?
[01:08] <mikl> bdmp: sudo apt-get unrar
[01:09] <mikl> or unrar-nonfree :)
[01:10] <bdmp> thanks
[01:11] <bdmp> Hey anybody know how to fix a laptop that slowly works up to 100% cpu and won't stop and then gets really hot?
[01:12] <mikl> bdmp: you need to find out what's hogging up the CPU :)
[01:12] <bdmp> I can see the services but I don't know what it might be
[01:12] <bdmp> I am new at this
[01:13] <Riddell> bdmp: run `top` on the command line
[01:15] <bdmp> where should I look? %cpu?
[01:15] <bdmp> kaffeine says 91%
[01:16] <bdmp> How do I kill it
[01:16] <bdmp> ?
[01:17] <bdmp> I gotta relog in. brb
[01:20] <bdmp> DId I miss anything?
[01:24] <bdmp> Thats it. As soon as I stop kaffeine it goes up to 100%
[01:28] <bdmp> So I had this wicked problem with Kaffeine before where it would try to start up and you could only see like part of it on the screen.  I would kill the process and it would stop. I finally got it work by reinstalling it, but apparently that didn't work either.  What can I do to fix this?
[01:28] <bdmp> my comp is finally quiet!
[01:33] <bdmp> So I tried uninstalling and reinstalling but that didn't do anything.  Any suggestions?
[01:54] <Riddell> bdmp: try upgrading using the kaffine in the repository in the /topic
[02:01] <thoreauputic> Riddell: I take it that line in the topic should be added by ubuntu users who've installed kubuntu-desktop?
[02:01] <Riddell> I advise so
[02:01] <thoreauputic> OK 
[02:02] <thoreauputic> maybe that should be in the #ubuntu topic too?
[02:02] <Riddell> best not
[02:03] <thoreauputic> so we should refer people with KDE worries here, then, yes?
[02:04] <Riddell> yep
[02:04] <thoreauputic> OK
[02:33] <DiAbLe666> hi, can i build a local Ubuntu repository to install Kubuntu distributions ?
[02:41] <eliteforce> hi
[02:41] <individ> got some serious problem with kubuntu, all the apps that use artsd just crash when playing something ! in the first 3 secs! don't have any idea why, in Gnome sound works just fine
[02:41] <eliteforce> which settings do i need to get my fonts on kde racor-sharp? they are a bit fuzzy with the standard settings
[02:44] <thoreauputic> toonX: don't know if this will solve it, but I suggest adding the updates line in the /topic to your sources and updating the system
[02:44] <Riddell> toonX: as a work around you can install amarok-xine and change to use that engine
[02:45] <toonX> I dont think i want any work-around , it's just , i dont know.. to crash like that in 3 secs
[02:45] <toonX> why in GNome works just fine? i mean i can play anything
[02:46] <toonX> i tryed to disable realtime priority , same thing with or without
[02:47] <Riddell> toonX: got a backtrace?
[02:47] <Riddell> toonX: is this i386?
[02:48] <toonX> Riddell, no , on amd64
[02:48] <toonX> and the error handler says it can't do any backtrace
[02:49] <Riddell> ah, that could have something to do with it, arts is troublesome on non-x86
[02:49] <toonX> i don't know what is preventing it
[02:49] <toonX> possible arts doesn't work on non-x86
[02:50] <toonX> but can't i just use ALSA ?
[02:50] <toonX> why do i need arts?
[02:50] <Riddell> kde programs all output to arts, except amarok which has pluggable engines
[02:50] <Riddell> arts sometimes works on amd64, sometimes not, it's troublesome
[02:51] <toonX> so is roulette
[02:57] <toonX> so what can i do ?
[03:59] <ravel> greetings. how do I install Kubuntu on top of Debian (unstable) - or should I care about this matter at all?
[04:00] <crimsun> the first you'd need to do is cross-upgrade to Hoary, then install kubuntu-desktop
[04:04] <ravel> I do have a broadband connection so I can do the whole install via network if that is possible.
[04:09] <crimsun> ravel: then use apt-pinning to cross-grade from sid
[04:09] <ravel> ok. so there is no need to burn the installation cd at all?
[04:10] <crimsun> nope
[05:45] <Chiwaka> hello, how could i install this file? amsn-0.94-3-linux-installer.bin
[05:46] <hussam> Chiwaka: probably sh ./amsn-0.94-3-linux-installer.bin
[05:46] <Chiwaka> ok
 cannot execute binary file
[05:48] <Chiwaka> i've also this file... amsn_0.94.orig.tar.gz   how can i install it?
[05:48] <hussam> do chmod +x ./amsn-0.94-3-linux-installer.bin
[05:48] <hussam> then run it
[05:50] <Chiwaka> ok
[05:50] <Chiwaka> thank u very much... it works ;)
 i dont find the executable file of the program... nither in the folder
[05:56] <Chiwaka> where i can find it?
[05:56] <hussam> amsn_0.94.orig.tar.gz is probably the source, extract it
[05:57] <hussam> can I have the link for amsn_0.94.orig.tar.gz?
[05:58] <Chiwaka> the same problem
[05:59] <hussam> probably extract amsn_0.94.orig.tar.gz , cd to it, then ./configure then make then sudo make install
[06:00] <Chiwaka> http://the.earth.li/debian/pool/main/a/amsn/amsn_0.94.orig.tar.gz
[06:05] <Tm_T> whoa
[06:06] <Chiwaka> ok... thank u  <hussam>  it works :D
[06:09] <Tm_T> hi hussam_ 
[06:17] <thedman> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
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[06:18] <thedman> exit
[06:28] <teknoprep> what are the correct settings for a usb thumb drive in your /etc/fstab...
[06:29] <teknoprep> anyone have that becuase i am going nuts tyring to get it to auto show up on my desktop again
[06:33] <Tm_T> hmm
[06:37] <teknoprep> heh
[06:37] <teknoprep> kde is giving me shit
[06:37] <teknoprep> w0ot did it
[06:38] <Tm_T> it wasn't me
[06:38] <teknoprep> now to setup automount
[06:38] <teknoprep> lol
[06:46] <Church_of_FoamY> just a ? whats auto mounter?
[06:48] <Church_of_FoamY> how to install vmware?
[06:57] <Church_of_FoamY> anyone know how to get point2play?
[06:58] <Tm_T> yes
[06:58] <Tm_T> buy it
[06:58] <Tm_T> afaik its commercial
[06:59] <Church_of_FoamY> whats the website?
[07:00] <Church_of_FoamY> i can find reveiws for it but not the website
[07:00] <Church_of_FoamY> google given me trouble
[07:00] <Church_of_FoamY> lol
[07:06] <philipacamaniac> Have the updated packages at kubuntu.org (knetworkconf, kdelibs, kaffeine) been added to official Ubuntu.com repositories?
[07:12] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: say my name and the channel will highlight :)
[07:13] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: knetworkconf has
[07:13] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: kdelibs is lost somewhere in the c++ transition queue
[07:13] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: and kaffine hasn't because it's not important enough to qualify
[07:15] <Tm_T> Riddell: 
[07:15] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: Okay. knetworkconf has a conflict with knemo (in universe). Bug filed at https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11206
[07:16] <Tm_T> I saw that problem today
[07:16] <Tm_T> it surprised me
[07:16] <philipacamaniac> Should  a universe bug be filed also/instead?
[07:17] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: ah yes, that's for reminding me
[07:25] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: The problem is very similar to this bug: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/tasks/594/
[07:26] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: that's the previous overlapping file problem knetworkconf had, which the new knetworkconf was designed to fix
[07:26] <Riddell> troublesome package so it is
[07:27] <philipacamaniac> LOL... yeah. I'm filing a malone bug for knemo presently.
[07:29] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: mind and reference the existing knetworkconf report then
[07:30] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: Certainly...
[07:33] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: Malone gave me an error, so I ended up triple posting. I feel sheepish, but looking through the bug list, it appears I'm not the only one.
[07:33] <Riddell> malone isn't entirely beastie free itself
[07:34] <Riddell> it's still in testing
[07:34] <philipacamaniac> Any way to delete dupes?
[07:35] <philipacamaniac> n/m
[07:36] <Riddell> did you find a way?
[07:36] <philipacamaniac> Yes, mark as duplicate works
[07:36] <YooBoo> hurray!
[07:37] <philipacamaniac> * says cheers to that!
[07:37] <YooBoo> :)
[07:38] <YooBoo> Just using the liveCD at the moment, i love it :)
[07:38] <YooBoo> so much i'm downloading the Install CD :D
[07:39] <YooBoo> still, how do i login as root, in KDE through the LiveCD? or can't i?
[07:39] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: FYI, its https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/815
[07:40] <YooBoo> any way to have a Mac-like dock in kubuntu LiveCD?
[07:40] <philipacamaniac> YooBoo: Kubuntu uses sudo to perform admin tasks, there is no root account by default
[07:41] <YooBoo> :)
[07:41] <YooBoo> ic ic
[07:41] <Riddell> YooBoo: not on the live cd but superkaramba or kooldock do the job
[07:42] <YooBoo> Are they on the liveCD?
[07:43] <Vjaz> "not on the live cd but ..."
[07:43] <YooBoo> Man, this wipes the floor over windows :) The fonts are so smooth :D
[07:43] <Vjaz> Haha. I'm pretty sure you can get antialiased fonts in Windows, too.
[07:43] <YooBoo> Bah to windows
[07:44] <YooBoo> a.k.a Beta testing phase :/
[07:44] <Vjaz> They've had "smoothed fonts" or something for quite a while I think, but that sucked if I remember correctly
[07:44] <YooBoo> They've had smoothed heads after pulling so much hair out over firefox and open office!
[07:45] <Vjaz> heh, perhaps
[07:45] <YooBoo> Well, i thinks so anyways :)
[07:46] <Vjaz> Those programs are mostly overhyped though.
[07:46] <Vjaz> Good software, but overhyped.
[07:46] <YooBoo> Good work kubuntu and ubuntu teams!
[07:47] <YooBoo> Nah, firefox rocks my socks-0r
[07:47] <philipacamaniac> Looking through the UDU wiki (http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder), some great things can be expected in Breezy Badger.
[07:47] <YooBoo> Deserves all the hype :D
[07:48] <Vjaz> YooBoo: Well Firefox is better than IE, that's for sure.
[07:48] <YooBoo> I like it over must stuff, 
[07:49] <Vjaz> YooBoo: Have you tried Opera? It's pretty good.
[07:49] <YooBoo> Like Konqueror is on a par with it, equal
[07:49] <YooBoo> Nah, i hated it
[07:49] <Vjaz> Ok.
[07:49] <Vjaz> It's all of a matter of personal preference I guess.
[07:49] <philipacamaniac> Vjaz: Good, but non-free
[07:49] <YooBoo> Well, i just dont like stuff like that
[07:49] <YooBoo> Opera had ads
[07:49] <YooBoo> and they just dont seem to give a shit
[07:49] <Vjaz> I was switching to Opera actually, but then I went back because I realised much of the stuff I had gripes with was being fixed in Firefox, and well, it's free.
[07:50] <YooBoo> Holy shit, Konversation has JIS O_O
[07:50] <YooBoo> HURRAY
[07:50] <YooBoo> I dont use opera because 1) ads, 2) Speed can be done with firefox, 3) dont want to pay 4) removed features for linux versions :)
[07:51] <Vjaz> "Speed can be done"?
[07:51] <YooBoo> Eg, if you trimmed down firefox yourself
[07:51] <Vjaz> And what features have they removed?
[07:51] <YooBoo> the "smallness" of it
[07:51] <YooBoo> Voice to text
[07:51] <YooBoo> I read it in Liux format :)
[07:51] <YooBoo> Linux*
[07:52] <Vjaz> Umm... do you mean actually ripping the source code apart and making a light version of Firefox?
[07:52] <YooBoo> Well, i think there was one :/ i forgot the name, but firefox has always run fast for me anyways
[07:52] <YooBoo> only problem i had with it was ona 300mhz computer
[07:52] <YooBoo> and it took about 6 seconds to load
[07:52] <Vjaz> Ok. Speed was actually the reason I was switching to Opera.
[07:52] <YooBoo> so, cigars all round
[07:53] <philipacamaniac> On a 300Mhz, you might as well use lynx
[07:53] <YooBoo> I dont like opera it just seems... 1 word - cramped
[07:53] <Vjaz> One thing is that Opera caches pages in history nicely, so going back and forward is effectively instant.
[07:53] <YooBoo> about:config? :3
[07:54] <Vjaz> Also, Firefox sucks at rendering pages with fixed backgrounds. Small problem really, but it just pissed me off because I was browsing one website that had a fixed background at the time...
[07:54] <philipacamaniac> I'm still waiting for a QT Firefox port, or Konqueror with a Gecko engine.
[07:54] <Vjaz> Heh, ok.
[07:54] <Vjaz> What's wrong with KHTML?
[07:54] <philipacamaniac> Ever tried Gmail?
[07:55] <Vjaz> Hm... no I haven't.
[07:55] <YooBoo> I agree, but 3.4 works fine for me
[07:55] <YooBoo> Konqueror, that is
[07:55] <Vjaz> Um... works fine here.
[07:56] <Vjaz> Gmail that is.
[07:56] <Vjaz> Although it does say "For a better Gmail experience, use a fully supported browser."
[07:56] <philipacamaniac> I like konki, but Gecko renders more sites (perhaps due to more css code, perhaps something else)
[07:56] <YooBoo> Yup
[07:56] <philipacamaniac> And it is running in HTML mode, rather than standard mode
[07:56] <philipacamaniac> meaning you don't have things like autocomplete in the To: box
[07:56] <YooBoo> Well, balls to opera, it's cramped, and i just find it.. monopolistic, kinda
[07:57] <Vjaz> Hm... I'm guessing the "fully supported browser" stuff is bullshit. They support Safari but not Konqueror?
[07:57] <Vjaz> Isn't the rendering engine mostly the same?
[07:57] <philipacamaniac> Sadly, not anymore.
[07:57] <Vjaz> YooBoo: Monopolistic?
[07:58] <YooBoo> Yeah
[07:58] <philipacamaniac> We don't need to get into a heated debate, but let's just say Apple and Zack Rusin had a falling out.
[07:58] <YooBoo> I mean, they aren't much of the browser demographic, but they want their cash from it.
[07:58] <YooBoo> In terms of an ad here, cramped controls, etc
[07:59] <YooBoo> And yet still, OPERA is splashed all over the GUI
[07:59] <YooBoo> So, if you have an arrythmia or cardiac arrest, then you know you're using opera :/
[07:59] <Vjaz> Well it's a better browser in many ways, so I don't see a problem with they asking money for it.
[07:59] <YooBoo> Just reminds me of that neoplanet browser
[08:00] <philipacamaniac> YooBoo: NeoPlanet!!!!
[08:00] <philipacamaniac> YooBoo: Wasn't that one full of spyware? I can't fully remember.
[08:00] <YooBoo> Yep
[08:00] <YooBoo> Pretty much , it got shut down
[08:00] <philipacamaniac> Schweet.
[08:00] <YooBoo> casue they used Internet explorer, just skinned up and labelled as a different browser
[08:00] <YooBoo> :/
[08:02] <philipacamaniac> Regarding Kubuntu, did anyone here have Firefox included on the Kubuntu CD/ISO? I only had Konqueror, but some folks in the forums say Firefox is included with Kubuntu (I don't believe them).
[08:02] <YooBoo> Y'arr, well, i have now found the correct Linux Distribution to move a lot of college computers to *grin*
[08:02] <YooBoo> The liars
[08:02] <YooBoo> Not me, i've got 4 copies
[08:02] <philipacamaniac> Same here
[08:03] <philipacamaniac> About the not here, not the 4 copies
[08:03] <YooBoo> Unless they are "h4x0r5"
[08:03] <YooBoo> lol, heh i got them as a way to show the college about Linux
[08:03] <YooBoo> and ubuntu fit perfectly, was gonna use Mandriva, but eep, it wasn't the one :/
[08:04] <YooBoo> Wasn't it called Mandark or something before that? I'm clueless :)
[08:04] <Vjaz> Heh, I actually got 20 CD's of Ubuntu.
[08:05] <philipacamaniac> Which tragically don't have KDE on them, right?
[08:05] <Vjaz> No they don't.
[08:05] <Vjaz> I actually don't regularily use KDE!
[08:05] <Vjaz> I just installed it yesterday.
[08:05] <YooBoo> :o
[08:05] <YooBoo> You win Vjaz 
[08:05] <Vjaz> Hahaa
[08:05] <Vjaz> So 20 CD's of Ubuntu is better than 4 CD's of Kubuntu?
[08:06] <Vjaz> I'll have to keep that in mind...
[08:06] <Vjaz> BBL ->
[08:06] <YooBoo> Lets play Ubuntu Trumps :)
[08:06] <YooBoo> Top trumps, heh
[08:12] <philipacamaniac> I just noticed the new SVN HEAD for KDE4. I guess its in preliminary stages. GCC4 and QT4, I think. Freaky. Does anyone know the link for KDE release schedule (anything later then 3.4)?
[08:21] <Morandir> ;_; any news on the Kernel panic - attempting to kill init issue?
[08:24] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: there is no kde release schedule except 3.4.1 early next week
[08:25] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: gcc is independent of kde development, kubuntu is currently converting to gcc 4
[08:25] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: 3.4.1 released next week, or release schedule for 3.4.1 released next week?
[08:26] <Riddell> released next week
[08:26] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: regarding gcc: oh yeah duh
[08:27] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: Are you using QT4 (beta?) for the KDE4 sources?
[08:29] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: nope, I'm making packages for kde 3.4.1
[08:31] <YooBoo> Okay boys, have to go now, cheers :)
[08:32] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: well that's good news. Hoary will see those security and bug backports?
[08:32] <hussam> Riddell: any new updates on whether we will get kde 3.4.1 for hoary? 
[08:33] <hussam> or is it too risky
[08:33] <hussam> ?
[08:33] <Riddell> hussam: yes, I'll do that, but not in the ubuntu archives
[08:33] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: security fixes go in ubuntu archives, other stuff not
[08:34] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: You are awesome, dude! Now I best be adding kubuntu.org to my repo sources.
[08:38] <Morandir> anyone have any suggestions for helping my poor dead compy... I did apt-get upgrade to upgrade the kernel to 2.6.10 and now get a kernel panic..
[08:38] <osh> what do I need to apt-get to be able to play dvd's?
[08:38] <Tm_T> osh: well, what do you like?
[08:38] <Tm_T> command line or GUI?
[08:38] <osh> and what do I need to convert it to XviD?
[08:38] <hussam> Riddell: they will be available in deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main ?
[08:38] <osh> Tm_T: I've got kaffeine installed but it claims it can't play the dvd.
[08:38] <Tm_T> Morandir: ah, that kernel problem
[08:39] <Tm_T> osh: eh?
[08:39] <Tm_T> osh: try okle
[08:39] <Riddell> hussam: not sure, either there or ftp.kde.org
[08:39] <philipacamaniac> osh: have you installed lbdvdcss?
[08:40] <philipacamaniac> osh: sorry, that's libdvdcss
[08:40] <Morandir> TmT: yes that kernel problem
[08:40] <osh> philipacamaniac: don't think so. not unless it's installed by default. it's dpkg something to find out what's installed isn't it?
[08:40] <philipacamaniac> osh: it is not.
[08:40] <hussam> Riddell: will stuff like kaffeine and konversation have to be rebuilt too?
[08:41] <Tm_T> Morandir: hmm, yes there's solution, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11135
[08:41] <philipacamaniac> osh: sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
[08:41] <osh> philipacamaniac: libdvdcss2 <-that's the one?
[08:41] <philipacamaniac> osh: yes
[08:43] <osh> philipacamaniac: I still get "Can't read source" when trying my dvd. :-/
[08:44] <hussam> Riddell: or will apps like k3b that were built for kde 3.4.0 still work?
[08:44] <Morandir> copy paste comming...
[08:44] <Morandir> - boot with live-cd
[08:44] <Morandir> - mount / partition at /media
[08:44] <Morandir> - chroot /media
[08:44] <Morandir> - mount /proc
[08:44] <Morandir> - wget breezy package of initrd-tools
[08:44] <Morandir> - dpkg -i initrd-tools
[08:44] <Morandir> - dpkg-reconfigure installed linux-image packages
[08:44] <Morandir> - then reboot.
[08:44] <Morandir> is that the solution part?
[08:44] <osh> I've restarted kaffeine so it should use the libdvdcss-lib shouldn't it?
[08:45] <osh> perhaps do something like dpkg reconfigure kaffeine?
[08:45] <philipacamaniac> osh: have you installed the updated kaffeine package?
[08:46] <osh> philipacamaniac: I don't know. Don't think so. 
[08:47] <osh> philipacamaniac: I can't apt-get it because it's already installed. 
[08:47] <philipacamaniac> Add deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main to your /etc/apt/sources.lst
[08:48] <philipacamaniac> osh: Then sudo apt-get update
[08:49] <philipacamaniac> hussam: most packages will work with 3.4.1, if not, then a bug will have to be filed.
[08:49] <osh> philipacamaniac: that's a space between .org/ and hoary-updates right?
[08:49] <philipacamaniac> osh: yes
[08:50] <Riddell> hussam: yes, KDE keeps binary compatibility
[08:50] <osh> philipacamaniac: the only package it wanted to fetch was kdelibs-data. Kaffeine isn't a part of that is it?
[08:51] <hussam> Riddell: thanks, that's a relief. 
[08:51] <Morandir> philipacamaniac: i got 404's on kubuntu.org reposetories...
[08:52] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: ?? (404's on kubuntu.org reposetories...)
[08:53] <transgress> why are you going to it with a browser?
[08:53] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: works for me
[08:53] <Morandir> I just added them to my sources.list and sudo apt-get update
[08:53] <osh> Morandir: Seems to work for me too. 
[08:54] <Riddell> Morandir: can you see this?  http://kubuntu.org/dists/
[08:54] <transgress> bet you didn't apt-get update eh?
[08:54] <philipacamaniac> Works for me too. 
[08:54] <Morandir> we can see http://kubuntu.org/dists/ with browser
[08:55] <buz> wtf 
[08:55] <Morandir> deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main <-- failed fetch
[08:55] <buz> since i added marillat reps today it wants to upgrade stuff other than nonfree like it should
[08:55] <Morandir> holdon
[08:55] <Morandir> LOL
[08:55] <transgress> buz: don't leave marillat enabled... just get what you need then disable it
[08:55] <Morandir> my buddy spelt it horay, not hoary
[08:55] <transgress> buz: marillat can cause breakage.
[08:55] <buz> last time it didnt do that
[08:55] <buz> weird
[08:56] <buz> anyway i'm gonna get w32 then and disable it after that
[08:56] <Morandir> transgress: kernel panic breakage?
[08:56] <philipacamaniac> osh: If you can't find a Kaffeine package using apt, try installing http://homepage.ntlworld.com/fowlerc/kaffeine_0.6-1_i386.deb
[08:57] <philipacamaniac> osh: That's the one I've got. Much goodness.
[08:57] <buz> is there an official kaffeine build that actually works?
[08:57] <transgress> Morandir: nope... just some package deps breakage
[08:58] <Morandir> okay.. added kubuntu.org to sources.list and going to upgrade again...
[08:58] <philipacamaniac> buz: I thought it was in the kubuntu.org archive... checking now...
[08:58] <hussam> philipacamaniac: I have one that does not crash but I forgot where I downloaded it
[08:58] <Morandir> we shall see a kernel panic in a bit again I think
[08:58] <buz> mhh i have ch.archive.ubuntu in my list
[08:58] <buz> but i actually think ch archive isn't in CH at all
[08:58] <osh> philipacamaniac: I'll have a look at that. Thanks for your time.
[08:59] <philipacamaniac> Package: kaffeine
[08:59] <philipacamaniac> Version: 0.6-0ubuntu2.1
[09:00] <philipacamaniac> that's the one in the kubuntu.org archive - I'm pretty sure it fixes the crashes. And hopefully it will play osh's DVD source.
[09:00] <osh> I've got something from kubuntu.org but it doesn't play dvd's I'm afraid. 
[09:00] <transgress> ah we shall see how FC4 test 3 is in a few moments.  i'm quite curious.
[09:00] <transgress> and Morandir how did you get kernel panics?
[09:01] <osh> philipacamaniac: Ahh, the one from fowler is the one in kubuntu.org? Then I've already got it.
[09:01] <transgress> i'm yet to have any in kubuntu
[09:01] <philipacamaniac> osh: No, the one from fowler is an unofficial build.
[09:01] <Morandir> off the wall ?: should /dev still be compilied in the kernel configuration?
[09:01] <Morandir> transgress: sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get upgrade >> reboot and bombs
[09:02] <osh> philipacamaniac: Ok. I'll try installing that then. What is the command? dpkg --install kaffeine.......?
[09:02] <transgress> Morandir: do you know what upgraded?
[09:05] <philipacamaniac> osh: dpkg -i
[09:05] <Morandir> transgress: looked like linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 upgrade
[09:05] <osh> philipacamaniac: Unfortunatly it didn't work. :-(
[09:05] <osh> philipacamaniac: I still get this "Unable to read" and sais that it might be insufficient rights or no data on the dvd. I've bought it so there's data on it. If I mount it I can see data and play stuff. Encrypted unfortunatly.
[09:05] <transgress> Morandir: did you fall back to the old kernel?
[09:06] <Morandir> transgress: yes reinstalled system from 5.04 disk
[09:06] <transgress> umm
[09:06] <transgress> if it installed a new kernel it should've left the old one...
[09:06] <buz> with the dvdcss from universe i could watch dvd last night
[09:06] <buz> on hoary
[09:06] <transgress> i do believe
[09:07] <Morandir> but the grub says we're booting off linux-2.6.10-5-386...
[09:08] <philipacamaniac> osh: I'm able to watch commercial DVDs without problems. This is a longshot, but did the drive work in another OS, such as windows?
[09:08] <buz> could be region code issues?
[09:09] <philipacamaniac> buz: doesn't libdvdcss circumvent region codes? I know circumvents other copy protection...
[09:09] <buz> probably not
[09:09] <buz> usually region codes is more firmware based
[09:09] <osh> philipacamaniac: don't know. haven't run windows in years. It could be a region code code perhaps as buz suggested. Isn't there a way to "fix" that or is the movie industry hell bent on making me download all movies from now on?
[09:09] <philipacamaniac> buz: good call
[09:10] <philipacamaniac> osh: This might seem obvious, but have you tried other DVDs?
[09:11] <osh> philipacamaniac: I'd assume that they're all region2 (I'm european) so if the computers player is region1 I'm SOL'ed.
[09:12] <Church_of_FoamY> anyone know how to install vmware?
[09:12] <buz> actually the movie industry is hell bent on making us download movies
[09:12] <buz> Church_of_FoamY: yes
[09:12] <buz> wheres the problem
[09:12] <Church_of_FoamY> i don't know how to install 
[09:12] <Church_of_FoamY> :(
[09:12] <philipacamaniac> osh: Is the computer new? There is a way to change regions (albeit you have a limited number of tries)
[09:13] <buz> run the script in the directory
[09:13] <Morandir> transgress: thx for you help atm, but I've got to run for a bit
[09:13] <buz> but install the headers for your kernel first
[09:13] <osh> philipacamaniac: Not really new. I've had it for a year or two. It belongs to my employer.
[09:14] <Church_of_FoamY> it's a tar.gz file
[09:14] <buz> mhh then it would probably be set to the correct region already
[09:14] <buz> well untar it
[09:15] <philipacamaniac> Church: tar -zxfv vmware
[09:15] <transgress> Church_of_FoamY: please goto and read all of this page http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/
[09:16] <Morandir> IT BOMBED AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:16] <Morandir> >_<
[09:16] <Morandir> grrrr
[09:17] <Morandir> "/sbin/init: 428: cannot open dev/console: No such file"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:17] <Morandir> Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!!!!!
[09:18] <Tm_T> :p
[09:18] <Morandir> pivot_root: no such file or dir
[09:18] <transgress> anyone know a linux specifically for low end systems?
[09:18] <Morandir> ;______________________________;
[09:18] <Morandir> transgress: damn small linux
[09:18] <amadeus> #nx
[09:18] <transgress> Morandir: damn small is a livecd i do believe
[09:18] <buz> can be installed to pretty much anything, actually
[09:18] <Tm_T> transgress: no its distro
[09:19] <Morandir> transgress; my cousin uses it on his laptop
[09:19] <buz> compact flash, usb stick you name it
[09:19] <buz> but its pretty limited
[09:19] <philipacamaniac> osh: run kaffeine --verbose from a Konsole (command line) to see if any error messages point to the problem
[09:20] <philipacamaniac> osh: The xine engine will tell us if it is a region problem
[09:20] <buz> is there any way to make thunderbird open pdfs in kpdf?
[09:21] <buz> transgress: how low end is that machine
[09:22] <osh> philipacamaniac: I'm alread on that. I found a sf.net page describing the problem. I'll let you know how it goes. Apparantly this is a common problem...
[09:22] <transgress> buz: it's a 633mghz with 32 megs of ram
[09:23] <transgress> the ram being the bigger of the two problems
[09:23] <buz> cant you upgrade it?
[09:23] <philipacamaniac> osh: excellent! Until next time... I gotta go. Adios!
[09:23] <buz> 32 is truly a little low
[09:23] <transgress> buz: keep meaning to, but i haven't gotten around to it... eh back in the day 32 was awesome
[09:23] <transgress> back before my day 32 was seen as impossible
[09:23] <buz> huh
[09:23] <buz> back in the day when i had 166mhz 32 was about right???
[09:27] <hussam> Riddell: I've been meaning to ask this. how come we running qt 3.3.3 and not 3.3.4 ? I thought kde 3.4 required qt 3.3.4.
[09:29] <hussam> ok guys, see you later . I have to go to bed.
[09:32] <Riddell> Qt >= 3.3.2 is required
[09:32] <lonewolff> just a quick question, i know nice lets you start a program with modified sheduling but can you do it to already running programs?
[09:35] <osh> libdvdcss debug: cracking title key
[09:35] <osh> libdvdcss error: read error
[09:35] <osh> libdvdcss debug: read error, resorting to secret arcanes to recover
[09:35] <osh> libdvdcss debug: opening target `/dev/hdc'
[09:35] <osh> libdvdcss debug: using libc for access
[09:35] <osh> libdvdcss error: read error
[09:35] <osh> libdvdcss debug: end of title reached
[09:35] <osh> libdvdcss debug: 0 of 0 attempts successful, 0 of 0 blocks scrambled
[09:35] <osh> libdvdcss debug: title key is 00:00:00:00:00
[09:35] <osh> libdvdcss error: fatal error in vts css key
[09:35] <osh> libdvdcss error: read error
[09:35] <osh> input_dvd: Error getting next block from DVD (Error reading NAV packet.)
[09:35] <osh> That's my error when it comes to playing DVD's. Anyone have hint for me I'm all ears... =)
[09:36] <transgress> yeah
[09:36] <transgress> here is the hint
[09:36] <transgress> use #flood next time
[09:39] <Tm_T> flood :p
[09:39] <osh> transgress: Right. Will do. Although traffic on the channel wasn't overwhelming right now so it couldn't have affected a lot of people.
[09:39] <Tm_T> =)
[09:40] <Tm_T> osh: yeah, no harm done, but good manners etc ;)
[09:41] <Tm_T> hih :)
[09:44] <ravel> hmm, it would be nice if a friendly distribution like (K)Ubuntu would have explicit help about how to do the apt-pinning from Debian
[09:45] <_ali> hello 
[09:46] <Tm_T> apt-pinning?
[09:47] <ravel> yes.
[09:47] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:47] <Tm_T> I suppose to know, but just can't remember...
[09:47] <Tm_T> more coffee then :p
[09:47] <ravel> actually, I am surprised that on the ubuntu or kubuntu site there is no help with this
[09:48] <ravel> It would be logical that many would use apt to move to (k)ubuntu, not just download some cd
[09:48] <Tm_T> ah!
[09:49] <Tm_T> many (K)Ubuntu users are "newbies" who have linux first time
[09:49] <Tm_T> so?
[09:50] <ravel> apt is the friendly thing that makes updating easy - for newbies, for example, so why not give them a chance to do it that way :-)
[09:52] <buz> i would assume a cross upgrade to kubuntu would be a painful exercise
[09:52] <buz> i couldnt even downgrade breezy to hoary with apt pinning
[09:53] <ravel> well, crimsun suggested that I move from Debian to Kubuntu using apt-pinning
[09:53] <Tm_T> ravel: eh, updating happens using apt ;)
[09:53] <ravel> tm_t...?
[09:54] <Tm_T> uhm, I mean, how pinning help "newbie" users?
[09:54] <ravel> ok, I don't know how easy process is apt-pinning - after you have changed the preferences file etc
[09:54] <ravel> (in this particular case)
[09:55] <buz> i'd say take a cd and install from that one
[09:55] <buz> you can keep your home
[09:55] <buz> but make a backup first
[09:55] <ravel> too bad that I don't have much free space right now
[09:56] <Tm_T> heh
[09:57] <Tm_T> I need another 160G HD
[09:57] <Tm_T> so I can clean this one
[09:57] <ravel> btw, do you happen to know why KDE 3.4 is not in (any) Debian yet?
[09:57] <Tm_T> ravel: eh, _Debian_
[09:57] <philipacamaniac> Because its Debian
[09:57] <ravel> I just booted my new Origin 200 GIGAchannel for the first time (though I am not planning to install Linux on it)
[09:58] <Tm_T> ravel: ask from package maintainer
[09:58] <kay> ravel, it is not because Sarge needs to be released
[09:58] <Tm_T> yeah
[09:58] <ravel> (not even in unstable)
[09:58] <kay> And at the time, KDE 3.3 was picked
[09:58] <ravel> ok.
[09:58] <kay> Unstable serves testing right now
[09:59] <Tm_T> yup
[09:59] <kay> Once Sarge releases, you will probably see them pick up what Kubuntu did so far
[09:59] <Tm_T> ravel: so why not use svn
[09:59] <ravel> tm_t: to what purpose?
[10:00] <Tm_T> ravel: to get newest kde ofcourse ;)
[10:00] <Tm_T> newest and bestest
[10:00] <kay> I am trying to build SVN on Breezy right now
[10:00] <philipacamaniac> At the risk of sounding redundant, "because its Debian". They are infamous for ultra-slow release cycles, and never having the newest and bestest
[10:00] <kay> And it feels ... breezy :p
[10:00] <ravel> ah. I am quite satisfied with 3.3, was just interested to know the reason for not 3.4 in unstable
[10:00] <philipacamaniac> kay: let us know how that goes
[10:01] <ravel> philip, I was not asking why KDE in stable Debian is 2.x :-)
[10:02] <kay> philipacamaniac, well, libglu-xorg-dev is needed and it removed konqueror
[10:02] <kay> That hurts somewhat and condemns my compile to success too :p
[10:02] <philipacamaniac> kay: ACK! Well, good news is, 3.4.1 will be released next week, and Riddell promised Kubuntu packages.
[10:02] <KaiL_> ravel: 3.0 wasn't 2 years old on release :)
[10:02] <vanRijn> dangit
[10:03] <vanRijn> I'm using kubuntu hoary hedgehog and my usb mouse occasionally stops working
[10:03] <kay> philipacamaniac, I have some with 3.4.1 pre here already, kdepim and kdemultimedia i think, but kdebase is still old
[10:03] <vanRijn> in X
[10:03] <vanRijn> anyone else see this?
[10:04] <kay> Hm... vanRijn when you look at dmesg output, do you see something at the end?
[10:04] <ravel> I am wondering if KDE 4.0 will sport some of the OSX Tiger features
[10:04] <philipacamaniac> How do I create a cdrom-based apt repository? What is the specific structure?
[10:04] <kay> ravel, what should that be?
[10:05] <_ali> ravel > like ?
[10:05] <philipacamaniac> ravel: Kat (not in official KDE yet) promises desktop search
[10:05] <KaiL_> ravel: which features?
[10:05] <philipacamaniac> ravel: Superkaramba has done for years what Dashboard is now doing
[10:06] <KaiL_> kay: kdebase 3.4.1 is "on the way" and seams to work a lot better
[10:06] <vanRijn> kay: nothing about usb
[10:06] <buz> yeah when will we get it ?
[10:06] <ravel> kay, philip, ali, desktop search, support for lots of metadata, vector-based resolution independent desktop rendering (whatever)
[10:06] <KaiL_> ...which is not that complicate if we look at konqueror :)
[10:06] <KaiL_> ravel: desktop search is in the work
[10:07] <kay> Metadata is certain, desktop search the purpose... that's going to happen, independent though, talk about this is years old
[10:07] <KaiL_> vector based rendering: duno, but KDE is at least already way more res independant than Windows :)
[10:07] <ravel> yes
[10:07] <KaiL_> what's meant with "metadata"?
[10:07] <philipacamaniac> my Konqueror has a realtime filter bar (type and it filters contents), and kiolocate find me anything anywhere (although I wish it was sorted via metadata)
[10:08] <kay> Like where things came from KaiL_ 
[10:08] <philipacamaniac> extra data information about each file
[10:08] <ravel> and, also will Konqueror be able to render Acid2 correctly in near future
[10:08] <pv> Will it have user-writable comments for files?
[10:08] <kay> When you save a file from the mail attachment, the file will still be associated to that mail and later you will find it still
[10:09] <KaiL_> pv: nobody know for now
[10:09] <kay> KDE 4 is for now only porting to Qt 4 in the ldelibs as far as I know
[10:10] <philipacamaniac> Taking advantage of 3D rendering cards (like what they're doing over at Metacity and Enlighment) would be sweet.
[10:10] <kay> Some people have things in the making about metadata APIs, but that will certainly see discussion and demos before the time comes
[10:11] <KaiL_> kay: afaik there'll be some more things in or short after 4.0
[10:11] <kay> philipacamaniac, that is the job of X11, not KDE
[10:11] <philipacamaniac> kay: taking advantage of them correctly is the job of KDE
[10:11] <ravel> AmigaOS was/is nice, there is a command called comment
[10:11] <philipacamaniac> like the translucency options now available in the Control Center
[10:11] <kay> ravel, did you use it?
[10:11] <KaiL_> philipacamaniac: this exists in kde3.4, but is disabled, because it's slow like hell and a bit unstable
[10:12] <ravel> you could write comments that would show below the filename with the list command
[10:12] <ravel> kay, sometimes, especially when swapping files (mod music, demos) with friends
[10:12] <philipacamaniac> KaiL: no kidding! Especially on my ATI Radeon 9700 Pro. It would be great to see more rendering efforts go in to KDE4.
[10:13] <kay> Some people are sure to do this, philipacamaniac, because they can :)
[10:13] <KaiL_> philipacamaniac: google for "composite".
[10:13] <kay> Other people are going to complain how pointless it is 
[10:13] <KaiL_> but be warned: VERY slow
[10:13] <buz> unusably slow
[10:14] <philipacamaniac> KaiL: I meant that I have done it. It sucked big donkeys.
[10:14] <kay> It is alpha stuff so far
[10:14] <KaiL_> the step to make it fast is now on the driver side
[10:14] <kay> Xorg does not enable it by default yet for a reason
[10:14] <philipacamaniac> Ahh, I understand your points now
[10:14] <kay> It also crashes and stuff
[10:14] <buz> are there any cards that actually can do composite fast
[10:15] <philipacamaniac> Maybe newer NVidia?
[10:15] <KaiL_> buz: nop.
[10:15] <buz> it sure looks tasty
[10:15] <KaiL_> cards could, but drivers not
[10:15] <buz> but it's fucking slow
[10:15] <philipacamaniac> Doesn't the GNOME camp have this going at a useable state?
[10:16] <KaiL_> maybe the do this without composite?
[10:16] <KaiL_> they..
[10:16] <buz> gnome camp uses Xgl for their eyecandy demos
[10:17] <KaiL_> is that more usable?
[10:17] <philipacamaniac> Anyway, I would just love to see it eventually.
[10:18] <vanRijn> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-8001.html
[10:18] <vanRijn> hmmm. looks like a common problem
[10:19] <KaiL_> vanRijn: FSC? :)
[10:19] <KaiL_> on the E8010 you need to restart the X-Server sometimes to get all mice back
[10:20] <KaiL_> or better switch to console and switch back
[10:21] <vanRijn> KaiL_: fsc?
[10:21] <KaiL_> Fujitsu-Siemens Computers
[10:21] <vanRijn> o
[10:21] <vanRijn> I've an IBM thinkpad A31
[10:21] <vanRijn> and this never happened with fedora core 3
[10:21] <vanRijn> =:/
[10:21] <KaiL_> hmm...
[10:21] <KaiL_> is fc3 also kernel 2.6.10?
[10:22] <KaiL_> btw, you have touchpad + stick?
[10:22] <vanRijn> I have an eraser mouse in the middle of the thinkpad keyboard and a usb mouse
[10:22] <jbn-o> FC3 is Linux kernel 2.6.10 (actually, their version now is 2.6.11, but...)
[10:23] <vanRijn> yes
[10:23] <vanRijn> and I've been using 2.6.10 for quite a while (vanilla) without this problem
[10:23] <vanRijn> *sigh*
[10:23] <jbn-o> bbl...
[10:30] <beldar> hi
[10:31] <beldar> someone can tellme how to make a CLASSPATH in kubuntu?
[10:31] <beldar> plz?
[10:31] <kay> well, isn't that just an environment variable that you set?
[10:32] <beldar> not all at the same time plz
[10:32] <beldar> ehm
[10:32] <beldar> but how i set it
[10:32] <beldar> i found somewhere that i have to edit .tcshrc
[10:32] <kay> in bash: export CLASSPATH:/here/something:/there
[10:32] <beldar> oh
[10:32] <beldar> thnx
[10:33] <kay> to make it really persistent, edit /etc/environment and place CLASSPATH=/something:/else there
[10:34] <beldar> but i want to link it to a directori
[10:34] <beldar> what I have to put in else there
[10:34] <beldar> export CLASSPATH /home/beldar
[10:34] <beldar> i can put just that?
[10:34] <kay> you missed the =
[10:35] <beldar> oh k
[10:35] <kay> Well, do you KNOW what a classpath is?
[10:35] <beldar> yes yes
[10:35] <beldar> it's done
[10:35] <beldar> thanx!!
[10:35] <kay> my pleasure :p
[10:36] <beldar> all yours ^ ^
[10:46] <hans_> why cant i watch movies in fullscreen mode in mplayer?
[10:47] <msb> hans_: i have same problem
[10:47] <msb> hans_: mplayer filename -zoom
[10:50] <vanRijn> hm
[10:51] <vanRijn> incidentally, the little reset button on the bottom of my wireless usb mousie helps with the annoying mouse-doesn't-work problem
[10:58] <Firetech> hans_: mplayer -fs -zoom filename (or for the one in the menu, with gui: gmplayer -zoom filename)
[10:59] <hans_> thx
[11:04] <hans_> when starting mplayer a error message flashes: font path wrong....what to do?
[11:07] <YourSQL> Hello again :D
[11:07] <hans_> "is says New_Face failed. maybe the font path is wrong" whats wrong?
[11:16] <_ali> bye
[11:26] <osh> hans_: Perhaps the font path is wrong?
[11:27] <philipacamaniac> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/view/1104    Redhat+Trolltech=Good?
[11:29] <vanRijn> hm, okay, so, I have another problem, and I've always had it with debian-based distros, I believe....  I have a laptop and use it both a work and home over wireless network connection.  The routing and dns information is obviously very different between the two environments.  And whenever I go home/work and switch environments, I have to restart my web browsers, etc., because they all don't seem to recognize that the DNS/network
[11:29] <vanRijn>  stuff has changed.  Anyone have any idea on how to make this better?
[11:32] <bkudria> does (k)ubuntu package kde's kiosktool?
[11:34] <osh> bkudria: apt-cache search kiosktool would perhaps answer that?
[11:37] <Tm_T> philipacamaniac: wtf?!
[11:38] <philipacamaniac> Tm_T: Exactly! Found that on a kde devel's personal blog, and though the same exact thing.
[11:38] <philipacamaniac> Tm_T: *thought
[11:39] <Tm_T> ok, from user level, rpm hell... no way!
[11:39] <Tm_T> from dev level, hey, where's competition then?
[11:40] <Tm_T> we _need_ race between distros etc
[11:40] <philipacamaniac> So you mean to say that Debian/Ubuntu and others will the shaft if that were to happen?
[11:45] <Tm_T> I mean, there must be much different companies around there
[11:46] <Tm_T> not one giant and then many small
[11:46] <Tm_T> and I afraid that if redhat buys trolltech, it will become too big
[11:47] <Tm_T> and I afraid that if redhat buys trolltech, trolltech will change too much
[11:47] <Tm_T> you got the point?
[11:49] <philipacamaniac> Yeah, i don't want it to happen either. Doubt it will.
[11:51] <Tm_T> yeah
[11:52] <Tm_T> I think trolltech does have own plans
[11:52] <osh> Interesting article. He's got a point I think. MySQL does the same thing. Double licensing I mean.
[11:56] <philipacamaniac> gtg..bye!
[11:56] <bkudria> osh, sorry, i was in another window...it doesn't have anything...wher can i submit a request to have it packaged?
[11:57] <osh> bkudria: I have no idea. I'm a new kubuntu user myself. Perhaps www.debian.org can help.
[11:57] <osh> bkudria: kubuntu uses debian pakcages too.