[12:00] <Fator_Dee> dooglus: but why register at all if you can get it elsewhere?
[12:00] <Anubis> Troy_, more satifation for you that way.;)
[12:00] <mdipi> I might partition some space on my internal drive when i reformat
[12:00] <mdipi> :/
[12:00] <Troy_> right. I was just hoping that I could benefit from your experience.
[12:00] <dooglus> Fator_Dee: one reason I could think of it that it's less likely to be trojaned if you get it from the official source
[12:00] <Anubis> Troy_, no doubt
[12:01] <Troy_> have any idea why ubuntu wont see my usb hdd?
[12:01] <Fator_Dee> dooglus: um, you don't have to sign up to the official bittorrent tracker?
[12:01] <Anubis> Troy_, kernel module not loading? Or the wrong module tring to load?
[12:01] <dooglus> Troy_: no, but it won't see mine either
[12:02] <dooglus> Fator_Dee: ok, but I find bittorrent is quite slow, 'cos I can't open port 6881 on the router here.
[12:02] <dooglus> the http download on the other hand is very quick - 640Kb/s at the moment
[12:02] <wolverian> dooglus: you can change the port on most bittorrent clients.
[12:02] <dooglus> wolverian: ok, but in fact I can't open any ports at all...
[12:03] <wolverian> dooglus: you have no ports open at all? hmm. :)
[12:03] <Fator_Dee> good router you have there :-p
[12:03] <dooglus> wolverian: it's a NAT thing, so the open traffic allowed in is the stuff that is a result of traffic going out.
[12:03] <dooglus> Fator_Dee: it's a good router I guess, but it's not mine.  I don't have the admin password for it.
[12:04] <Fator_Dee> oh
[12:04] <Loiosh> Heh, doh!
[12:04] <wolverian> dooglus: NAT sucks.
[12:04] <Fator_Dee> well, not so good for you then
[12:04] <Anubis> ???
[12:04] <willis_> how to unzip in linux
[12:04] <dooglus> wolverian: I know.  I could get my own internet connection, but I don't think I'd be able to get one as fast as this one, and this one is free to me.
[12:05] <dooglus> willis_: unzip is /usr/bin/unzip
[12:05] <willis_> how do uzip in linux
[12:05] <Seveas> willis_, unzip [filename] 
[12:05] <wolverian> or just open the file. the fileroller should open automatically
[12:05] <Anubis> willis_, with unzip
[12:05] <Fator_Dee> or with file-roller
[12:05] <willis_> did not work ?
[12:05] <Loiosh> Free is good.
[12:05] <kent> willis_, install unzip and then you can automaticly unzip in the desktop by dubbel-clicking on the files. (file-roller will do it)
[12:05] <Anubis> willis_, install unzip
[12:06] <Troy_> thanks guys...
[12:06] <wolverian> unzip is in main, I think.
[12:06] <Troy_> im outl.
[12:06] <willis_> humm?
[12:06] <KrimZon> hi
[12:07] <anto9us> hello :)
[12:07] <Loiosh> Hewwo!
[12:07] <kent> willis_, in synaptic (System-Admin-> synaptic) you can install unzip.  Then all you need to do is to double-click on the zip-files to extract them..
[12:07] <KrimZon> i need a little help tarring my entire hard drive so that i can swap to a bigger and quieter hard drive
[12:08] <willis_> that locked my system
[12:08] <DarthB005h> KrimZon, Goodl Luck
[12:08] <willis_> et-linux-2.60.x86.run.zip how to install ?
[12:08] <DarthB005h> willis_, what the hell is that your trying to install?
[12:09] <martin> hello
[12:09] <kent> willis_, what locked your computer?
[12:09] <willis_> enemy terratory .. linux .. dang zip file..
[12:09] <KrimZon> hi
[12:09] <martin> i need fast help
[12:09] <dooglus> DarthB005h: that's "enemy territory"
[12:09] <willis_> et-linux-2.60.x86.run.zip
[12:09] <dooglus> DarthB005h: a 3d game, wolfenstein based
[12:09] <DarthB005h> cool
[12:09] <Fator_Dee> maybe it just takes time opening it, big file you know
[12:09] <martin> i've installed a fresh system with smp kernel...but now usb doesn't work anymore....any suggestions?
[12:09] <bloodwulf> hey with fdisk how do i get a list of all the drives in my computer?  including cd roms .. i have a laptop i think i saw /dev/sbc for my cd rom drive?
[12:09] <admrl> kernel
[12:09] <admrl> whoops
[12:10] <DarthB005h> martin, is your sys a smp system?
[12:10] <martin> p4 HT....i guess it is =), YES
[12:10] <matt__> is dia in ubuntu apt repository? i can't seem to find it
[12:10] <DarthB005h> bloodwulf, try cfdisk
[12:10] <Seveas> matt__, it is
[12:11] <Seveas> matt__, it is in universe
[12:11] <DarthB005h> martin, very nice, I dunno then, bad modules?
[12:11] <kent> bloodwulf, to get a list of devices,  I would use the Device Manager found in System -> Admin -> Device Manager.
[12:11] <matt__> SeamusLP, ahh i see that now
[12:11] <matt__> didnt realize that was uncommented
[12:11] <bloodwulf> kent i just want the system link or whatever
[12:11] <matt__> are they less stable?
[12:11] <Seveas> no
[12:12] <martin> hmpf
[12:12] <kent> bloodwulf, system link?
[12:12] <willis_> finaly .. sh and the zip file name ...
[12:12] <martin> how to fix it
[12:12] <anto9us> martin: HT is disabled in the latest security updates for smp kernel
[12:12] <kent> bloodwulf, the device manager will tell you where your drives are, including cdroms.  For example, if the cdrom is om /dev/hdc (or another place)
[12:13] <martin> hhhmmm.....so no use of smp then?
[12:13] <beginner> can i make fonts smoler in ubuntu?
[12:13] <Spug> Thanks for the help, guys, you're the best as usual (when I can get ahold of anyone ;))
[12:13] <wdh> KrimZon, try partimage..  or use 'dd if=/old/hdd of=/new/hdd'
[12:13] <anto9us> martin: nope
[12:13] <martin> hmpf
[12:14] <dooglus> I'd like to second that, Spug.  This channel is so much friendlier than the Mandrake channel I used to have to use.  None of the big egos and bad attitudes.
[12:14] <kent> god night.
[12:15] <beginner> how can i make fonts smaller?
[12:15] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> wha?
[12:15] <dooglus> hrm.  'enemy territory' wants to know my root password.  i don't even know it, if there even is one.
[12:15] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> bob2?
[12:15] <Solatis> beginner: System -> Preferences -> Font
[12:15] <thingfish> beginner: System>Preferences>Font
[12:15] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> bob2: what were you saying?
[12:15] <martin> anto9us: why is it disabled? and will it be enabled again?
[12:15] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> [11:36:29]  [@bob2:#ubuntu] : using breezy does not make you smarter or better or cooler, it just makes you an alpha tester
[12:15] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> [11:44:04]  [@bob2:#ubuntu] : alphabet[NTNWWNe: please turn that highly obnoxious irc script off
[12:16] <anto9us> martin: there's a security flaw, there's a thread on /. about it
[12:17] <Blissex> dooglus: thats highly suspicious to say the least...
[12:17] <Blissex> dooglus: a game might need to be run as 'root', but not by asking your root password, unless it is because it is run using 'su'
[12:18] <Loiosh> There's a potential security flaw
[12:18] <Solatis> Blissex: wow, that was an insanely complete reply :)
[12:18] <Seveas> alphabet[NTNWWNe, turn that away-msg thing off
[12:18] <Seveas> alphabet[NTNWWNe, and the noticing thing too
[12:19] <Loiosh> Doog: You should see the Gentoo channels =)
[12:19] <Loiosh> Hehe
[12:19] <KrimZon> i was planning on making my own image, then extracting it to the new hdd from a gentoo boot cd
[12:19] <Blissex> Solatis: thanks for the appreciation :-)
[12:19] <beginner> solatis i want to make fonts smaller in keb
[12:19] <beginner> k3b
[12:19] <Loiosh> Krim: I'm pretty experienced with that. What do you need to know?
[12:19] <Blissex> KrimZon: ussing something like a DNA scanner or a mind mapper?
[12:19] <Solatis> beginner: keb?
[12:19] <Loiosh> We use rsync here.
[12:19] <beginner> k3b
[12:19] <Solatis> what's that ?
[12:20] <Slike> does anyone know where to change the font-settings for the gnome-toolbars and some (not all) gtk applications? since I installed Kubuntu, these are awefully big
[12:20] <beginner> a cd burning program
[12:20] <Blissex> KrimZon: I have heard of a guy that used dust for that instead....
[12:20] <selinium> hi all, azureus just tried to update itself but 'failed to install - /opt/azureus/plugins/azplugins/azplugins_1.3.1.jar' I know i will have to sudo it but what command do I use to install it?
[12:20] <beginner> its a kde aplication
[12:20] <Blissex> Slike: the KDE appearance panel, there is a GTK styles section.
[12:20] <Slike> yeah, I disabled that stuff...
[12:21] <Solatis> ah, ehrm, then i don't know... probably kde preferences somewhere, but you should ask someone else, i'm an openbox/gnome user :)
[12:21] <poningru> what html editor do you guys use
[12:21] <Fator_Dee> selinium: installing azureus plug-ins is just moving them in to a plugin directory
[12:21] <martin> anto9us: well, installing and booting the i686 kernel fixes it, but...just 1 cpu ;(
[12:21] <beginner> solatis any idea?
[12:22] <martin> anto9us: btw: this there any real advantage of ht and smp under ubuntu?
[12:22] <Slike> Blissex: fonts are ok in firefox, but not in xchat, not at the toolbars...i created a new account, and for the new account everyting's ok, so it should be somewhere in my home i guess...?
[12:22] <anto9us> martin: did you notice any/much performance improvement when you booted with smp?
[12:22] <selinium> poningru: I use bluefish but Quanta is pretty good as well!
[12:22] <FiReWoRkS> r
[12:22] <Loiosh> LoL
[12:22] <Fator_Dee> r to you too
[12:22] <Loiosh> That was strange
[12:23] <selinium> Fator_Dee: i will have a look, cheers for the pointer!
[12:23] <Mogge> Anyone here ever ran oxine?
[12:23] <Blissex> Slike: try removing '~/.gtkrc' and '~/.gtkrc-2.0' and use that KDE control panel for GTK config
[12:23] <martin> anto9us: while booting? no, not really. but maybe there is a difference while working or gaming?!
[12:23] <Slike> ok thx
[12:23] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  i hear its slowe rto use hyper threading because something about the memory slows by 80%    but   thi sis hear say
[12:23] <Loiosh> Not while gaming, Martin
[12:23] <caonex> anybody using automounter here?
[12:23] <KrimZon> hmm :p
[12:23] <Loiosh> Compiling, yes
[12:23] <^thehatsrule^> Loiosh, from the book?
[12:24] <Loiosh> Book?
[12:24] <^thehatsrule^> oh... theres a series of books with your name as the side-kick
[12:24] <^thehatsrule^> nvm ^^
[12:24] <anto9us> well, I've downgraded since the kernel update and haven't really noticed any difference though I've not doing much that's processor intensive
[12:25] <martin> so which kernel is the best choice for p4 HT CPU?
[12:25] <Loiosh> Oh!
[12:25] <Loiosh> Steven Brust
[12:25] <Loiosh> Yes, I love that series =)
[12:25] <Loiosh> Though no, I'm not named after his parrot
[12:26] <anto9us> martin: I would say the 686
[12:26] <^thehatsrule^> lol, theres another series hehe
[12:26] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  i am not sure about any of that    but was told by someone who does alot of hardware testing
[12:26] <^thehatsrule^> that i was thinking of
[12:26] <^thehatsrule^> ah oh well ;p
[12:26] <Loiosh> Really?
[12:26] <Loiosh> What series
[12:27] <thingfish> martin: 686-smp
[12:28] <martin> thingfish: well, but as i mention befor: with the smp kernel my usb system doesnt seem to work anymore....no reaction on usb events
[12:28] <Slike> Blissex: it worked, thx a lot....
[12:28] <anto9us> Lafitte-: yeah, I've heard it myself too. It's disabled now and makes little difference anyway :)
[12:28] <dooglus> I installed "enemy territory".  It runs at about 0.2 frames per second on this P4 2.2GHz machine.  Surely some mistake?
[12:28] <Blissex> Slike: OK, thansk for the appreciation!
[12:28] <anto9us> thingfish: HT is now disabled on smp kernel
[12:28] <Loiosh> What video card do you have, doog? =)
[12:29] <dooglus> just quitting it took 5 minutes - it's not easy aiming for the 'quit' button when the mouse position only updates every 5 seconds.
[12:29] <Fator_Dee> dooglus: do you have drivers installed?
[12:29] <Fator_Dee> dooglus: for you video card that is
[12:29] <thingfish> anto9us: well doesn't that just suck.
[12:29] <dooglus> Loiosh: it's a laptop with an SiS 650 (I think) video card.  I had to specify ./et "+set r_allowSoftwareGL 1" to run it - because it seems that the card doesn't want to do the 'GL' stuff in hardware.
[12:29] <anto9us> thingfish: I've noticed little difference since the patch was applied
[12:30] <Loiosh> Heh
[12:30] <morf3o> hi
[12:30] <Fator_Dee> dooglus: might be tough luck for you :-\
[12:30] <thingfish> anto9us: funny, my system monitor still shows 2 cpus.
[12:30] <Loiosh> That would be why it's slow, LoL
[12:30] <dooglus> yes, right.  might there be some drivers I could install?
[12:31] <KrimZon> does anyone know where in the filesystem my usb drive is mounted?
[12:31] <morf3o> anyone tell me where download hoary-dvd-i386.iso?
[12:31] <morf3o> pleae
[12:31] <we2by> KrimZon, it is usally in /media/usb
[12:31] <Fator_Dee> morf3o: from www.ubuntulinux.org?
[12:31] <morf3o> torrent don't work
[12:31] <anto9us> thingfish: have you applied the security patch?
[12:31] <KrimZon> ahh, thanks
[12:31] <tkiesel> Hiya everyone.
[12:31] <Loiosh> They have a DVD version?
[12:31] <Lafitte-> morf3o, www.ubuntulinux.org?
[12:31] <Loiosh> Ubuntu's just a single cd
[12:31] <Loiosh> HEwwo, tk =)
[12:31] <Fator_Dee> DVD includes all of main, maybe something else too
[12:32] <dooglus> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-dvd-i386.iso.torrent
[12:32] <tkiesel> :)
[12:32] <dooglus> ^-- that's for morf3o
[12:32] <Loiosh> I'll be darned
[12:32] <tkiesel> My wife is going to be installing Ubuntu soon. *super grin*
[12:32] <thingfish> anto9us: I am totally up to date, as far as I can tell (have done apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade just today).
[12:32] <morf3o> dooglus don't work
[12:32] <morf3o> :(
[12:32] <dooglus> morf3o: what happens?
[12:32] <martin> thingfish: and all usb devices are working?
[12:33] <tkiesel> We were both looking for an online music subscription service.. Napster, Yahoo!, Rhapsody, et al.. and trying to figure out which ones we can get to run in a purely Linux environment.
[12:33] <Loiosh> Heh Tk
[12:33] <Loiosh> None? =)
[12:33] <anto9us> thingfish: I've just checked and so does mine, hmmm... puzzling... the security patch definitely said it was going to disable hyperthreading
[12:33] <KrimZon> does tar always store permissions?
[12:33] <tkiesel> Loiosh, seems like. lol.  Know if any of them work in Wine?
[12:33] <thingfish> martin: well, the two usb devices I have I never use in linux, so, probably not because the webcam has never worked.
[12:34] <Loiosh> I do not, sadly =(
[12:34] <thingfish> anto9us: It's a puzzler.
[12:34] <tkiesel> Dang.
[12:34] <thingfish> no doubt.
[12:34] <judax> mp3tunes.com is designed for linux but it is not going to be as mainstream as the others, it is also the linspire dude
[12:35] <anto9us> martin: I have a usb card reader that I use regularly and a usb printer I used for the first time in months yesterday, they worked ok on the latest smp kernel
[12:35] <willis_> what command for nvidia utility ...
[12:35] <tkiesel> We're not interested in breaking the law (as goofed up as copyright law has become notwithstanding), so we wanted to go legit with a service. Why they're not making Linux clients I don't know.
[12:35] <martin> anto9us: so are mine not working with the smp kernel?
[12:35] <Loiosh> Because they cannot install DRM on linux
[12:35] <tkiesel> judax, I'll check that one out, thanks. :)
[12:36] <willis_> how do you tweek nvidia in linux ?
[12:36] <Loiosh> And all of the services want to limit what you can do with your music
[12:36] <judax> tkiesel: aye, it is on the up-and-up
[12:36] <anto9us> martin: I understood they stopped working when you upgraded to smp, did I get that right?
[12:36] <clong> What is the best tool to copy a dvd (legally of course ;) )
[12:36] <martin> anto9us: right!
[12:36] <tkiesel> lmao!
[12:37] <judax> tkiesel: I have itunes working under Crossover Office, but don't use it cause of the apple proprietary bs, but just got it running to see
[12:37] <willis_> is there a command tool to tweek the linux drivers ?
[12:37] <tkiesel> Well, we were hoping for one with a streaming element. Just listen to stuff we've never heard, with the option to permanently grab whatever strikes our fancy enough. But it's been a frustrating search.
[12:37] <Loiosh> Hehe
[12:37] <anto9us> martin: go with the 686 kernel and see how you go :)
[12:38] <Fator_Dee> tkiesel: and there's http://magnatune.com/ but they don't have the mainstream stuff, but you can listen to them beforehand (legally!)
[12:38] <willis_> i need to tweek my nvidia drivers in linux  anyone know a utility ? does one come with the driver
[12:38] <tkiesel> judax, Ahhh. That is interesting!  Is crossover office a one-time fee, or subscription based?
[12:38] <dooglus> is there a GNU java plugin for mozilla?
[12:38] <judax> tkiesel: I bet
[12:38] <Loiosh> Most of them seem to offer: Buy each track one at a time... or listen to anything you want for monthly fee
[12:38] <Loiosh> But don't mix them +)
[12:38] <judax> tkiesel: One time fee
[12:38] <martin> anto9us: thats a workaround but not a real solution ;)
[12:38] <tkiesel> *nods*
[12:39] <anto9us> martin: just like the disabling of HT in the smp kernel ;)
[12:39] <cafuego> !find nvidia-settings
[12:39] <robertj> what package contains the kernel config file?
[12:39] <cafuego> @find nvidia-settings
[12:39] <ubotu> nvidia-settings: (Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver), section restricted/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0-3ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 491 kB, Installed size: 1008 kB
[12:39] <judax> tkiesel: $39 if memory serves
[12:39] <Fator_Dee> tkiesel: and if you want to just listen stuff, install Streamtuner, excellent application
[12:40] <cafuego> willis_: try installing nvidia-settings and running it (in X)
[12:40] <martin> ok, got to pick up my girlfriend.....any other suggestion direct please...thx
[12:42] <anto9us> thingfish: I've checked my grub entries to see if HT is specified explicitly and it isn't. Maybe the load is shared across the virtual processors without any performance gain would be my guess now.
[12:43] <robertj> anyone here using the i945 driver?
[12:43] <thingfish> anto9us: HT isn't mentioned in grub, other than the "smp" at the end of the kernel name.
[12:48] <Seveas> thingfish, since the last kernel upgrade HT must be explicitely specified in the kernel command line
[12:48] <anto9us> thingfish: yeah, I read in the security update, with a warning not too, that you can re-enable hyperthreading explicitly I think it's off by default now
[12:49] <nate__> ummm, what
[12:49] <nate__> ?
[12:49] <nate__> I have HT enabled and i'm using the smp kernel
[12:49] <nate__> do i need to do something?
[12:49] <Fator_Dee> have you updated recently?
[12:50] <nate__> ummm, no
[12:50] <nate__> well, i installed it recently
[12:50] <anto9us> nate__: there's a security flaw in the HT processors
[12:50] <dooglus> I notice the 'vanilla' bittorrent client is a very old one - is that an apt source with a more recent version anywhere?
[12:51] <nate__> anto9us, and I can't change my proc, is there a way to divert attacks?
[12:51] <nate__> Fator_Dee, So whats the problem with it?
[12:52] <Fator_Dee> nate__: sorry but I'm going to sleep now, but others will surely tell you
[12:52] <nate__> can someone tell me?
[12:52] <nate__> please?
[12:52] <nate__> Fator_Dee, gnite :)
[12:52] <anto9us> nate__: just make sure you've run the ubuntu updates :)
[12:52] <Fator_Dee> gnite \o
[12:52] <thingfish> Seveas and/or anto9us: you have a link?
[12:52] <drama> its drama!
[12:53] <nate__> anto9us, I have
[12:53] <anto9us> thingfish: I read it in synaptic
[12:53] <nate__> anto9us, nothing to update
[12:55] <thingfish> well, I don't know where you read it, because when I look at the installed kernels in synaptic it says nothing about having to explicitly enabling HT.
[12:56] <anto9us> thingfish: it was before the installation
[12:56] <thingfish> anto9us: in the terminal?
[12:57] <anto9us> thingfish: synaptic dialog box
[12:57] <thingfish> ok whatever I guess I missed that.
[12:58] <thingfish> funny though that my "two" cpus are acting independently of each other.
[12:58] <deviant> can some one recomend me a program that monitors my heat sensors ? (from CPU, Chase and Hdd)
[12:59] <anto9us> thingfish: yeah, I would have expected to see just one cpu now
[12:59] <robertj> anyone here have a virtual hosting provider they are happy with and would recommend?
[12:59] <thingfish> anto9us: if hyperthreading were disabled by default, that is all you would see.
[01:00] <slappy16> its channel still around?
[01:01] <slappy16> ubuntu > debian ?
[01:01] <Seveas> thingfist: lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-secutity-announce
[01:01] <Seveas> thingfish*
[01:01] <nickrud> hi slappy16 It is quiet
[01:01] <thingfish> ok thanks Seveas.
[01:01] <slappy16> nickrud!
[01:01] <slappy16> how goes it?
[01:02] <nickrud> good, good
[01:02] <slappy16> still usin ubuntu? you are dedicated to this channel, eh?
[01:02] <slappy16> have i been missing good topics?
[01:02] <anto9us> thingfish: see /usr/share/doc/linux-headers-2.6.10-5/changelog.Debian
[01:02] <nickrud> slappy16, seem so, I'm about 30% useful :)
[01:02] <slappy16> http://www.vidarholen.net/contents/wordcount/
[01:02] <nickrud> some
[01:03] <slappy16> aww..im sure more
[01:03] <dooglus> what package do I want to install to view a small .xpm image file?
[01:03] <thingfish> ok, Seveas, that is what that says.
[01:03] <keffo>  hm
[01:03] <nickrud> nothing new there ;)
[01:03] <keffo> with wget
[01:03] <keffo> how do i get everyting within a dir?
[01:03] <keffo> wget -r ?
[01:03] <keffo> and+
[01:04] <deviant> can some one recomend me a program that monitors my heat sensors ? (from CPU, Chase and Hdd)
[01:04] <slappy16> mond still around?
[01:04] <Seveas> deviant, gdesklets..?
[01:04] <nickrud> don't think so
[01:05] <dooglus> keffo, you probably want "-np" for 'no parent'
[01:06] <nickrud> Seveas, about that kde kubuntu-desktop thing, I was suprised to see that if you only have main in your list, kubuntu-desktop is not available.
[01:06] <nickrud> I wonder how that's done
[01:07] <toonX> question: can i add in apt source list , debian repositories?
[01:07] <nickrud> toonX, sure
[01:07] <Riddell> nickrud: it is
[01:07] <cafuego> @info kubuntu-desktop
[01:07] <ubotu> kubuntu-desktop: (Kubuntu desktop system), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.40 (hoary), Packaged size: 3 kB, Installed size: 32 kB
[01:07] <toonX> nickrud, k thanks
[01:08] <nickrud> Riddell, I'll look again, but I'm pretty sure I spelled it correctly in aptitude
[01:09] <Riddell> nickrud: apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop
[01:09] <deviant> when i do mplayer -vo help, i get this: Option 4 needs a parameter at line 1
[01:09] <deviant> what does it mean
[01:09] <nickrud> Riddell, I've got to update first :)
[01:10] <Seveas> nickrud, kubuntu-desktop is in main
[01:11] <Seveas> nickrud, apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop
[01:11] <Seveas> kubuntu-desktop:
[01:11] <Seveas> 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[01:13] <Ubuntu> okay i ask this everyday but... how the hell do i change my screen resolution? is there anyway yo do it without editing the confg thing?
[01:13] <Seveas> Ubuntu, system->preferences->screen resolution
[01:13] <REds> ye /etc/X11/xorg.conf also
[01:13] <Seveas> if that soes not work: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:13] <nickrud> ok, I must have a break somewhere, is there a metapackage above ubuntu-desktop?
[01:14] <Seveas> if that soes not work: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:14] <Seveas> nickrud, no
[01:14] <dooglus> Where do we find X Windows header files?
[01:14] <Ubuntu> seveas,  what do i edit in the xll thing?
[01:14] <Seveas> dooglus, xlibs-dev
[01:14] <Ubuntu> seveas,  i can never finf it
[01:14] <Ubuntu> find*
[01:14] <JackHanna> hey guys
[01:14] <REds> Ubuntico, ull see the resolutions in there
[01:14] <Seveas> Ubuntu, sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:14] <REds> Ubuntu, ull see the resolutions in there
[01:14] <goldfish> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:14] <Seveas> Add your resolution to the relevant section (you'll notice where)
[01:15] <REds> cant miss them
[01:15] <JackHanna> I'm feeling a little stupid.. this is a box set up for a friend who lives in the basement.. I haven't updated it in months.. and now I forget the root password.. is there any way to reset it or something with a boot cd?
[01:15] <dooglus> thanks Seveas.  I was searching for something with 'xorg' in its name and finding nothing.
[01:15] <olsen> JackHanna: chroot to the filesystem and do passwd -d root
[01:15] <Ubuntu> REds, and what should i change them to? i want it set at 1024x768
[01:15] <Seveas> dooglus, what are you trying to compile?
[01:16] <REds> Ubuntu, read the file and you will see
[01:16] <Seveas> JackHanna, boot from a livecd and clear the password for root by manually editing /etc/shadow
[01:16] <dooglus> Seveas: a recent version of GNU Emacs
[01:16] <JackHanna> cool thanks
[01:16] <Seveas> dooglus, try apt-get build-dep emacs21
[01:16] <olsen> JackHanna: did it work?
[01:17] <Seveas> that'll download the build dependencies for THAT version
[01:17] <JackHanna> chrooting the file system would be bad
[01:17] <dooglus> Seveas: I'd like something a bit newer than 21.3
[01:17] <Seveas> good change that they will not have changed a lot :)
[01:17] <Seveas> dooglus, build-dep download only headers and libraries needed
[01:17] <Seveas> not the actual emacs21
[01:17] <olsen> is there a program to configure xorg.conf on ubuntu?
[01:17] <olsen> hrm
[01:17] <dooglus> Seveas: oh, I see!  thanks!
[01:17] <olsen> i'm doing Xorg -configure but i got some weird error
[01:18] <Seveas> olsen, pick your favorite editor and edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:18] <Seveas> or use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:18] <rob_lt> dooglus, does ubuntu have x-window-system-dev and build-essential packages?  Might be worth a try.
[01:18] <olsen> ok
[01:18] <holycow> http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;415878037;fp;2;fpid;1  <-- oh thats bloody cool
[01:19] <nickrud> Seveas, Riddell http://pastebin.com/289812
[01:19] <dooglus> E: You must put some -1source URIs in your sources.list
[01:19] <robertj> is there any raeson that sudo glxinfo|grep direct shows YES but tuxracer is getting like 5 fps on a reasonably modern machine?
[01:19] <dooglus> Seveas: that's what it complains about when I tried what you suggested.  How can I add the source URIs to apt-get?
[01:19] <Seveas> dooglus, edit your sources.list, copy all lines starting with deb and change the copied lines so that they start with deb-src
[01:20] <Seveas> then run apt-get update
[01:20] <Seveas> dooglus, for an example, see http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38
[01:20] <dooglus> Seveas: path?
[01:20] <Seveas> nickrud, you have a weird sources.list
[01:20] <Seveas> only the security updates are in there
[01:21] <Seveas> nickrud, uncomment the other 4 lines in your sources.list too
[01:21] <Seveas> dooglus, /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:21] <Seveas> (edit as root)
[01:21] <nickrud> Seveas, that's the point, when only main is enabled, I can't see kubuntu-desktop. with those enabled I can
[01:22] <robertj> GL_RENDERER   = Mesa DRI Intel(R) 845G 20041217 x86/MMX/SSE2
[01:22] <Seveas> nickrud, enable ALL lines in your sources.list
[01:22] <nickrud> Seveas, ah, there's universe on the cdrom
[01:22] <nickrud> no, that's not it
[01:22] <Seveas> ubuntu-desktop (the metapackage) will never need security updates, so it will not be in ubuntu-security
[01:23] <Seveas> nickrud, you only have the security repository enabled
[01:23] <Seveas> you're confusing repositories with sections
[01:23] <dooglus> Seveas: that's great.  it's the first thing I've seen in ubuntu that is a real advantage over Mandrake.
[01:23] <Seveas> dooglus, hmm, you aren't using ubuntu that long, are you?
[01:24] <Seveas> otherwise you would have seen more advantages already ;)
[01:24] <nickrud> Seveas, I'm a *, it's patterned on my debian one, and I comment and uncomment, and I did it by rote finger activity. Duh
[01:24] <nickrud> I don't have non-free on that, and I have marillat. Those two.
[01:25] <deviant> when i try to play a file with mplayer i get this: Option 4 needs a parameter at line 1. what does it means?
[01:26] <nickrud> Seveas, I do repositories and sections with limit in aptitude, I do know, but I need new glasses
[01:26] <dooglus> Seveas: about 24 hours I guess
[01:27] <Seveas> ~O-O~  <-- will that doo nickrud ;)
[01:27] <nickrud> Seveas, glasses are meant to be corrective :)
[01:27] <dooglus> Seveas: the biggest thing I'm missing so far is a command to tell me "which package contains file "xxx"
[01:27] <rob_lt> apt-file
[01:27] <Seveas> dooglus, for installep packages: dpkg -L
[01:27] <Seveas> otherwise apt-file
[01:28] <dooglus> Seveas: I know 'dpkg -L', but didn't know apt-file.
[01:28] <Seveas> dooglus, it's worthwile to read the manpages for dpkg, apt-get, apt-cache, aptitude, debfoster and deborphan (you need to install the last 2)
[01:29] <apollo2011> How do I install the nvidia driver and get 3d support on kubuntu?
[01:29] <Seveas> cya all
[01:29] <dooglus> Seveas: I had to install 'apt-file' too - it wasn't installed by default
[01:29] <dooglus> night Seveas
[01:29] <dooglus> it's 1:30am here too
[01:30] <snowseal> a good media player ..?
[01:30] <snowseal> totem plays nothing for me..
[01:30] <dooglus> snowseal: mplayer
[01:31] <Zodiac> Hello fellow Ubuntians!
[01:31] <Zodiac> Is anyone singing "You'll never walk alone?"
[01:31] <Zodiac> aww thanks snowy
[01:31] <apollo2011> How do I install the nvidia driver and get 3d support on kubuntu?
[01:32] <snowseal> nvidia.com download drivers, and the instructions are on that site too.
[01:33] <dooglus> Zodiac: I'm not, I was hoping for an Italian victory, but what an amazing comeback by the scousers!
[01:33] <drama> snowseal: you need movie codecs?
[01:33] <snowseal> im a kubuntu actuAlly
[01:33] <snowseal> drama,  that might be the case yes
[01:33] <cafuego> apollo2011: You need the 'restricted' repository in your /etc/apt/sources.list, so you can install the nvidia modules for your kernel.
[01:34] <snowseal> drama,  any package i need to install?
[01:34] <cafuego> apollo2011: Just ignore what snowseal said.
[01:34] <drama> snowseal: Im Danko... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:34] <drama> drama was just I was jioking.
[01:34] <toran> hey guys, I'm trying to uninstall zope and I am having some big problems
[01:35] <toran> Removing zope-cmfformcontroller ...
[01:35] <toran> dzhandle prerm-product: denied removal of product `CMFFormController' from instance `plone-site' (2.7) in addon-mode `manual'
[01:35] <toran> dpkg: error processing zope-cmfformcontroller (--remove):
[01:35] <toran>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[01:35] <toran> I get those sort of errors for every zope package
[01:35] <cafuego> apollo2011: Specifically, you need the "linux-restricted-modules" package./
[01:35] <toran> it is driving me crazy
[01:35] <dabaSlon> Like what, did you paste the errors to http://pastebin.com ?
[01:35] <toran> dabaSlon: just a sec, I can paste 'em
[01:35] <dabaSlon> toran: what command?
[01:36] <toran> apt-get remove zope2.7
[01:36] <kent> toran, and you use sudo right?
[01:36] <toran> yes
[01:36] <dabaSlon> snowseal: are you playing mp3s yet?
[01:36] <toran> http://pastebin.ca/raw/12640
[01:36] <toran> those are the errors
[01:36] <dabaSlon> ca
[01:37] <toran> pastebin.ca is better... pastebin.com is just for PHP. .ca is all sorts
[01:37] <apollo2011> cafeugo: then what?
[01:37] <toran> oh, nevermind... they updated it
[01:37] <apollo2011> cafuego: then what?
[01:37] <bassplayer> my mouse doesn't work on linux, who can give me backup ?
[01:38] <cafuego> apollo2011: After that, make sure you install nvidia-glx (I think?)
[01:38] <cafuego> @info nvidia-glx
[01:38] <ubotu> nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver), section restricted/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-0ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 2980 kB, Installed size: 9752 kB
[01:38] <Zodiac> What is the best way to import contacts into evolution???
[01:38] <dabaSlon> did you try installing that zope?
[01:38] <martin> bassplayer: usb or ps2?
[01:38] <Curlydave> hey does anyone knwo hwo to make a deskotp shortcut?
[01:38] <anto9us> toran: you don't like zope?
[01:38] <dabaSlon> just apt-get install zope?
[01:38] <AlwaysModest> anyone have a rough estimate on how long it takes the ubuntu disks to arrive?
[01:38] <Curlydave> i'm trying to for ut2k4 but it won't run from the shortcut
[01:38] <bassplayer> my mouse doesn't work on linux, who can give me backup ?
[01:38] <toran> anto9us: I have no use for it (I thought I might) and I need it removed now
[01:38] <cafuego> apollo2011: Yes, get nvidia-glx.. and then run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' - and choose 'nvidia' and not 'nv' as driver.
[01:38] <dabaSlon> toran, it says it wants zope installed to remove this one:-/
[01:38] <toran> this is nuts
[01:39] <toran> ok, I'll install zope and stuff
[01:39] <toran> and report back
[01:39] <dabaSlon> hehe, you can try
[01:39] <dabaSlon> that will be funny if it works.
[01:39] <apollo2011> cafuego: ok thx
[01:39] <bassplayer> my mouse doesn't work on linux, who can give me backup ?
[01:39] <dabaSlon> why dont u use sudo, its 4 extra leters+password
[01:39] <dabaSlon> once
[01:39] <toran> yeah, it'd be funny if I isntalled zope, and then tried uninstalling it all and it worked
[01:40] <bassplayer> hi people! my mouse doesn't work on linux, who can give me backup ?
[01:40] <Zodiac> What wont work there bass?
[01:40] <dabaSlon> USB mouse?
[01:40] <xoz> bassplayer: modprobe psmouse?
[01:40] <toran> dabaSlon: I usually do, I've just been working on this for a WHILE, and I got tired of typing it in
[01:40] <bassplayer> its a serial
[01:40] <dabaSlon> ah..
[01:40] <bassplayer> its doesnt move
[01:40] <bassplayer> and the buttons also
[01:41] <dabaSlon> toran, well I have su enabled:-/
[01:41] <toran> so do I
[01:41] <bassplayer> what can i do
[01:41] <dabaSlon> :)
[01:41] <dabaSlon> :(
[01:41] <Zodiac> ha dooglus I missed your post, I love Liverpool ! What an emotional roller coaster that game was!!
[01:41] <AlwaysModest> anyone know about how long it takes the ubuntu disks to arrive via mail?
[01:41] <toran> but I use it rarely
[01:41] <dabaSlon> hm, xoz told you a connmand.
[01:41] <stuNNed> bassplayer: get a $10 dollar USB mouse?
[01:41] <dabaSlon> AlwaysModest: the site, I thionk it is 4-6 weeks>
[01:41] <martin> bassplayer: what does your xorg.conf say?
[01:41] <bassplayer> i dont have an usb port men!
[01:42] <bassplayer> thats the problem
[01:42] <isai> hi all
[01:42] <AlwaysModest> dabaslon:!!!!! thanks
[01:42] <dabaSlon> bassplayer: well, try the modprobe xoz said,
[01:42] <xoz> bassplayer: try modprobe psmouse
[01:42] <isai> what's the easiest way to install mplayer?
[01:42] <anto9us> toran: zope installs as a service, maybe it needs stopping before you can uninstall
[01:42] <dabaSlon> isai,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:42] <toran> anto9us: tried that
[01:42] <toran> --_--
[01:42] <bassplayer> i just can use serial
[01:43] <bassplayer> i need to fix it
[01:43] <dabaSlon> i\toran, it lets me insatll and uninstall zope 2.7 with the command you gave there,
[01:43] <martin> bassplayer: try modprobe psmouse
[01:43] <toran> dabaSlon: I also have plone
[01:43] <toran> that has something to do wit hit
[01:43] <anto9us> toran: I think, not only do any instances need stopping but the service too
[01:43] <dabaSlon> just sudo ap-get install and then remove
[01:43] <bassplayer> but i cant make the serial wrok_
[01:43] <dravine> hello everyone
[01:43] <dabaSlon> worked.
[01:44] <stuNNed> bassplayer: ddoh! :) sorry about that
[01:44] <dabaSlon> bassplayer: did you do that?
[01:44] <toran> anto9us: how would I go about stopping any instances?
[01:44] <dravine> anyone know of a good tool for calibrating printers in gnome?
[01:44] <toran> just ps x |grep zope?
[01:44] <dabaSlon> killall
[01:44] <anto9us> toran: how did you try stopping the service?
[01:45] <toran> /etc/init.d/zope2.7 stop
[01:45] <anto9us> toran: ok, that should stop any instances too
[01:46] <toonX> why if i run /etc/init.d/gdm stop i get gdm allready running ! nothing to do
[01:46] <toonX> same with /etc/init.d/gdm start
[01:47] <toonX> gdm won't take anything after
[01:47] <Zodiac> How do you import contacts into Evolution??
[01:48] <dravine> from what?
[01:48] <toran> I got it!
[01:48] <Zodiac> Yahoo mail I guess
[01:48] <toran> I think installing zope helped
[01:48] <pingswept> Is  there a way that I can run wordpress 1.5 on hoary, but still install it with synaptic?
[01:48] <dravine> Zodiac, forward your contacts as vcards
[01:48] <Zodiac> vcards?
[01:48] <dravine> you can't directly import from a web mail provider
[01:48] <kent> Zodiac, using the import-function found in the menu?
[01:48] <pingswept> It looks like there are debian packages existing for wordpress 1.5.2
[01:48] <Zodiac> yea... I can export as csv...
[01:49] <pingswept> but I only see version 1.2 in synaptic.
[01:49] <Zodiac> I thought that was pretty standard but evo doesnt like it
[01:49] <dravine> well, csv doesn't tell evo much about the data
[01:49] <dravine> it just gives it the data
[01:49] <toonX> eh , things tend to fuck as time goes
[01:49] <Zodiac> damn I am going to have to manually enter these aren't I
[01:50] <novaflare> any one know of a emule client for ubuntu
[01:50] <dravine> or convert them to vcards
[01:50] <dravine> novaflare, amule
[01:50] <anto9us> toran: out of interest, what were you going to use zope for?
[01:50] <dravine> man, printer config sucks ass in gnome
[01:50] <novaflare> what version im looking at like 8 dif ones
[01:50] <k31th> guys
[01:50] <k31th> i got an issu
[01:50] <k31th> e
[01:50] <Zodiac> what the heck are vcards?
[01:50] <dravine> novaflare, dunno, don't use it
[01:50] <k31th> You do not appear to have the kernel sources for your current kernel installed.
[01:50] <k31th> make: *** [linux26]  Error 1
[01:51] <dravine> Zodiac, jesus man, google it
[01:51] <dravine> they've only been around for a decade or so
[01:51] <toran> anto9us: I am looking for a good CMS
[01:51] <k31th> i have apt-get install linux-source for the 2.6 kernel
[01:51] <toran> and I saw plone
[01:51] <toran> it looks like a bit much
[01:51] <k31th> and untar'd it to /usr/src/linux
[01:51] <anto9us> Zodiac: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vcard
[01:51] <toran> I may be doing some programming for a web designer
[01:51] <k31th> yet its still bitching
[01:51] <k31th> wat am i doing wrong
[01:52] <dravine> ...
[01:52] <toran> and we need a system that can allow this guy's clients to manage the content on their websites without them having to contact him
[01:52] <anto9us> toran: you didn't find it to be a good CMS?
[01:52] <toran> I want to do apache
[01:52] <dravine> k31th, you do realise that what you just said says jack shit about your error?
[01:52] <anto9us> toran: did you look at plone?
[01:52] <toran> it just looked overkill to me
[01:52] <k31th> dravine: ?
[01:52] <lotusleaf> Damn, I wish whomever was making Ubuntu .deb packages for WINE (linked to winehq page) would keep it up-to-date. The only downloadable version is 2 months old!
[01:52] <stuNNed> Zodiac: what i had to do was get a csv file then change it to .ldif format in thunderbird, then import that, then edit by hand lol
[01:53] <k31th> well its saying i dont have kernel sources in stalled ?
[01:53] <toran> he has been on coldfusion, but I want to move away from that
[01:53] <k31th> installed
[01:53] <dravine> there's about 15 steps between untarring a kernel, and building it
[01:53] <toran> do you have any suggestions (besides plone)?
[01:53] <k31th> i dont need to build it
[01:53] <dravine> word press is pretty nice toran
[01:53] <dabaSlon> :)
[01:53] <k31th> i just need the source
[01:53] <toran> that's more of a blog CMS
[01:53] <dravine> it probably wants the .deb
[01:53] <dravine> k31th,
[01:53] <toran> I need something that will work in nearly any situation
[01:53] <anto9us> toran: well, I'm a big zope + postgresql fan so, no, sorry :)
[01:53] <dravine> apt-get install linux-sources
[01:53] <Zodiac> dag
[01:54] <toran> anto9us: I didn't like how zope has it's own web server
[01:54] <toran> I want to use apache
[01:54] <toran> because I love apache ;-)
[01:54] <k31th> dravine: no such package
[01:54] <dravine> www.ubuntuguide.org
[01:54] <dabaSlon> apt-cache search linux-sources, intall the proper one.
[01:54] <dravine> http://www.jraleigh.com/fileman/printercalibration.jpg
[01:54] <k31th> its installed...
[01:55] <dravine> can anyone relate that to actual advanced tab in printer properties?
[01:56] <anto9us> toran: have you tried drupal?
[01:56] <k31th> i dont get this wtf is it erroring about not having some thing installed when it is
[01:56] <toran> hmm... I'll have to look into it
[01:57] <greg> Zodiac: more on how to do this via vCard method at - http://ketil.froyn.name/outlook_evolution.html
[01:57] <toran> wow, that looks really professional
[01:58] <kent> toran, what looks professional?
[01:58] <toran> kent: drupal
[01:58] <toran> http://drupal.org
[02:00] <kent> toran, I like wordpress better. It was easy to install and works great :)
[02:00] <toran> kent: yeah, but wordpress seems to be mainly for blogs :)
[02:00] <toran> I need something that will be a lot more flexible than in just that context
[02:00] <k31th> right fuck this
[02:00] <k31th> im going to sleep before i throw this pc
[02:01] <kent> toran, well, Its possibel to write normal pages aswell. I made it to have a statical page as frontpage and only use the blog-thing for diary/blog.  (http://leviatan.kicks-ass.org - in swedish though..)
[02:01] <toran> kent: yes, I've seen it used in that way. We need something that can be used in a professional environment
[02:02] <toran> I'm going to be using it in a web design place
[02:02] <toran> we'll be making sites and setting them up with the CMS so our clients can manage content
[02:02] <kent> toran, ok. I use it only for fun, so I cant speak when it comes to professional stuff i guess.
[02:02] <Lafitte-> anyone setup cedega on Ubuntu yet ?
[02:03] <toran> kent: actually, it is an EXCELLENT product for personal use
[02:03] <toran> I like it too
[02:04] <saber_> Anyone know where I can get export_mp2enc.so?
[02:04] <saber_> its not in mjpegtools or any of its libraries
[02:05] <kent> toran, drupal or wordpress? ;) *tired and confused* :)
[02:05] <dravine> so, anyone have any good ways to calibrate printers in linux?
[02:05] <dravine> the default "test" page with ubuntu suck
[02:05] <dravine> s
[02:06] <anto9us> dravine: have you tried googling a colour wheel or something?
[02:06] <kent> dravine, I think i remember that the drivers that Lexmark have on their homepage has a utility for that, but their drivers are old and hard to install. Other than that, I have never heard of calibration for printers in linux :(
[02:08] <anto9us> toran: what sort of services are your clients going to be requiring?
[02:09] <TheDeathArt> hi, how do i mount my 2 ntfs partitions in ubuntu ? without recompiling the kernel ?
[02:10] <kent> TheDeathArt, there are information about that in www.ubuntu.com (I think on the wiki.) search for ntfs on the homepage and you will find it.
[02:10] <TheDeathArt> hmm, i'll try again then :)
[02:10] <alerim> and forget about "recompiling the kernel" :)
[02:11] <concept10> TheDeathArt: www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:11] <TheDeathArt> well looked at some forums, that said stuff about recompiling :)
[02:12] <funk> TheDeathArt:  http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[02:13] <alerim> TheDeathArt: recompile your kernel only if there is no module available, which is unlikely most of the time :)
[02:14] <alerim> TheDeathArt: recompiling the kernel is not something "user friendly", so avoid it. That's my philosophy :)
[02:14] <TheDeathArt> okay
[02:14] <TheDeathArt> found a guide :) need to search better next time :] 
[02:15] <Lafitte-> anyone setup cedega yet ?
[02:16] <cafuego> recompiling the kernel is trivial; getting the config right is the tricky bit.
[02:17] <dabaSlon> how about compiling it?
[02:17] <dabaSlon> without recompiling?
[02:17] <cafuego> can't be done, too hard
[02:17] <alerim> lol
[02:17] <dabaSlon> that was a deepp thought, anyhow.
[02:18] <transgress> i have an external hard drive that will only mount in gnome... at first i thought it was something to do with it being an ntfs drive, but i fdisk'd and made it an ext3 partition, but i'm still getting the same errors on any other system that isn't running gnome 2.10
[02:18] <TheDeathArt> btw. ctrl + esc = opens the programs menu, in a panel, its that possible ?
[02:18] <transgress> anyone have some tips for me?
[02:18] <transgress> and is there a way to slow format it?  when i did fdisk it gave me a punch of shit about it having to many cynlinders... and fdisk on this system doesn't even want to touch it
[02:19] <dabaSlon> transgress, it only mounts in gnome, and that through automounting??that is weird.
[02:19] <cafuego> transgress: different automounter probably; maybe famd interfering with gnome-magicdev - who knows?
[02:19] <Lafitte-> transgress,   you have to mount them in other systems who dont use hotplug
[02:19] <transgress> well my other system has hotplug
[02:19] <transgress> but it won't mount by hand either
[02:19] <cafuego> transgress: Sounds like it's thoroughly broken, though.
[02:19] <transgress> if it were thoroughly broken it wouldn't mount in ubuntu now would it/
[02:20] <Lafitte-> transgress,  are other systems Ubuntu ?
[02:20] <dabaSlon> its weird, tho:)
[02:20] <cafuego> transgress: If it wasn't, fdisk would touch it ;-)
[02:20] <transgress> nah this system is kubuntu
[02:20] <cafuego> transgress: ANything on it that you need to keep?
[02:20] <transgress> cafuego: yes
[02:20] <transgress> cafuego: if it was how would it mount and work perfectly with the gnome automounting?
[02:20] <cafuego> transgress: Can you copy it off and reinit the disk?
[02:21] <transgress> reinit?
[02:21] <Lafitte-> re initialize
[02:21] <cafuego> transgress: kill it's partition record and restart from scratch.
[02:21] <cafuego> s/'//
[02:21] <Lafitte-> nothing to do with it
[02:21] <geneo93> maybe you need to umount it then fdisk
[02:21] <transgress> is reinit a command?  i deleted all the partitions from it with fdisk on the ubuntu box, then remade them...
[02:21] <cafuego> geneo93: He said fdisk won't touch it
[02:22] <transgress> fdisk will touch it on my ubuntu lappy... that's it
[02:22] <isai> I have already read the RestrictedFormats wiki page about installing mplayer, and have added the appropriate repositories. However when I use synaptic to install the mplayer packages, I get errors saying:mplayer-586:
[02:22] <isai>  Depends: libavcodeccvs but it is not going to be installed
[02:22] <isai>   Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[02:22] <isai>   Depends: libfontconfig1 (>=2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[02:22] <isai>  Depends: libpostproc0 but it is not going to be installed
[02:22] <isai>   Depends: libvorbis0a (>=1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[02:22] <isai>  Depends: libxvidcore4 but it is not going to be installed
[02:22] <isai>   Depends: xmms (>=1.2.10+cvs20050209) but 1.2.10-2ubuntu1 is to be installed
[02:22] <transgress> isai: why?  like we care...
[02:22] <isai> how can I fix the problem?
[02:22] <dabaSlon> isai, use http://pastebin.com  please.
[02:22] <geneo93> not if its mounted
[02:22] <transgress> isai: you get the depends...
[02:22] <transgress> geneo93: it won't mount on this machine
[02:22] <cafuego> isai: Are you running debian at all?
[02:22] <transgress> geneo93: and fdisk won't touch it
[02:23] <dabaSlon> isai, did you reload?
[02:23] <dabaSlon> Isai, like apt-get update.
[02:23] <dabaSlon> show me the restricted formats steps you did, in a pastebin.com , please.
[02:23] <cafuego> isai: Because your libc6 isn't an ubuntu package.
[02:23] <isai> I am using ubuntu, which I thought could automatically pull the dependencies but mplayer seems to not work.
[02:23] <transgress> isai: what mplayer are you trying to pull?  i got it just fine
[02:24] <dabaSlon> cafuego, it is a sources thing.
[02:24] <transgress> isai: did you add marillat?
[02:24] <cafuego> isai: Oh no my mistake
[02:24] <cafuego> isai: The mplayer is whinging
[02:24] <isai> yes, I did put in marillat.
[02:24] <REds> is that cause he tried to install mplayer a virtual package
[02:24] <dabaSlon> and update afterwards?
[02:24] <cafuego> libavcodeccvs wants a libc6 that is newer than what your machine has.
[02:24] <transgress> isai: that's why... marillat breaks dependencies... turn off marillat after you get the couple packages you may need (libdvdcss2 and w32codecs probably) and apt-get update again
[02:24] <Lafitte-> isai,  goto ubuntuguide.org   few commands to get mplayer up and running
[02:25] <transgress> isai: err enable multiverse and universe then apt-get update again
[02:25] <crimsun> just tell aptitude to install the version of mplayer-586 from multiverse
[02:25] <dabaSlon> reds, maybe.
[02:25] <TheDeathArt> hmm, how do i install emacs ? its not in universe
[02:25] <isai> yes, i did reload
[02:25] <isai> i am trying mplayer-586
[02:25] <isai> sorry, about not using pastebin.. i didn't know to do that.
[02:25] <dabaSlon> thats cool...I guess.
[02:25] <transgress> okay so reinit... is that a command i can use on this drive?  or is there a way i have to reiniti it?
[02:26] <cafuego> transgress: No, it's not a command.
[02:26] <transgress> cool
[02:26] <cafuego> transgress: When i say reinit I mean using fdisk or parted after destryoing the partition map with 'dd'.
[02:26] <isai> ok, i will try turning off marillat first and then reloading.
[02:26] <crimsun> isai: make sure you have only the testing repo from marillat enabled. You'll also need multiverse. Then aptitude install mplayer-586=1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[02:26] <dabaSlon> sure...
[02:26] <transgress> cafuego: ah i see... wonder how long it will take me to dd zeros over the entire drive
[02:26] <penguinparty> so im running the intel em64t should I use a different apt repository?
[02:27] <transgress> i like things to be clean heh
[02:27] <cafuego> transgress: Just the first 512bytes will suffice.
[02:27] <crimsun> penguinparty: i386 or amd64 will work
[02:27] <JohnnyFav> hi: I'm having problems hooking up my dsl connection with ubuntu
[02:27] <penguinparty> crimsun: will i benifit from amd64?
[02:27] <anto9us> anyone know how easy/possible it is to set up ubuntu as a windows logon server for win2k clients?
[02:27] <cafuego> transgress: Mind you, it's probably a batter idea to check first WHY it won't be mounted manually.
[02:27] <cafuego> transgress: (any error messages as printed by 'mount' would be handy)
[02:28] <transgress> cafuego: that's why i'm here... but i've asked about this drive for a while
[02:28] <transgress> mount doesn't pass an error
[02:28] <transgress> it does in dmesg though
[02:28] <dooglus> can I get the sun java jvm from apt?
[02:28] <crimsun> penguinparty: that's your judgment
[02:28] <cafuego> what does it show?
[02:28] <JohnnyFav> my thing says that eth0 is in broadcast mode......would that stop my internet connection from connecting through dsl?
[02:28] <transgress> SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x70000
[02:28] <transgress> end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 0
[02:28] <transgress> Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 0
[02:28] <transgress> usb 3-6: USB disconnect, address 6
[02:28] <dooglus> TheDeathArt: 'emacs21'
[02:28] <cafuego> dooglus: Yes, also get java-package to turn it into a .deb
[02:28] <transgress> it shows a bunch of those though
[02:28] <evan> what is "breezy"
[02:28] <penguinparty> crimsun: so where do I put the amd64 in my sources.list file?
[02:28] <cafuego> transgress: ouch. Which kernel?
[02:28] <dooglus> evan: it's the next release of ubuntu
[02:28] <dabaSlon> evan, warty, hoary, breezy
[02:28] <anto9us> evan: it's the new testing release of ubuntu, don't use it! ;)
[02:28] <transgress> 2.6.10-5-k7
[02:28] <dabaSlon> :)
[02:28] <evan> ah okay, i figured as much
[02:28] <cafuego> penguinparty: You can't add amd64 stuff to an i386 base system.
[02:29] <TheDeathArt> dooglus thanks :D
[02:29] <evan> anyone here speaks esperanto?
[02:29] <bpuccio> anyone connect to the internet via GPRS in here?
[02:29] <penguinparty> cafuego: I have the em64t
[02:29] <cafuego> penguinparty: if you want to run an amd64 system you need to pretty much do a fresh amd64 install
[02:29] <dabaSlon> evan, BROKEN_LADDER does, I dont know where he is.
[02:29] <penguinparty> cafuego: I do want to do a fresh install
[02:30] <cafuego> penguinparty: Then just fetch an amd64 iso and boot that.
[02:30] <dooglus> cafuego: thanks - but - how?  what's the package name to install the sun jvm?
[02:30] <isai> removed marillat stable & unstable, now I only get 2 dependency errors when trying to install. libfontconfig & libvorbis. What repositories are these in and should I just remove those repositories and reload.
[02:30] <penguinparty> cafuego: I actually dld the amd64 iso and did an install . . . but in my sources.list there is no ref to amd64
[02:30] <cafuego> dooglus: none, you need to get it from sun.com (it's the .bin file, NOT the .rpm)
[02:30] <dabaSlon> isai, you can also tell synaptic which version to use, through the package> force version
[02:30] <cafuego> penguinparty: Nor should there be.
[02:30] <penguinparty> cafuego: so I think that I might be grabbing the wrong binaries now
[02:30] <dooglus> cafuego: ok, thanks.
[02:30] <dabaSlon> do what crimsun said above
[02:30] <TheDeathArt> the ctrl+esc was not possible ?
[02:31] <cafuego> penguinparty: What does 'uname -a' say?
[02:31] <penguinparty> cafuego: apt knows what platform im running?
[02:31] <transgress> so cafuego any clue what might be causing that error?
[02:31] <penguinparty> cafuego: x86_64
[02:31] <cafuego> transgress: Bad disk, bad kernel, bad cable...
[02:31] <cafuego> penguinparty: there you go, amd64.
[02:31] <penguinparty> cafuego: Linux ubuntu 2.6.11.8 #1 SMP Sat May 7 17:00:26 MDT 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[02:32] <cafuego> transgress: Any chance you can try that on a 2.6.11.x kernel?
[02:32] <penguinparty> cafuego: so apt knows that im running a 64 so it knows to grab the right package?
[02:32] <cafuego> penguinparty: yep
[02:32] <penguinparty> cafuego: based on my uname?
[02:32] <transgress> cafuego: i've gotten that error on most linux systems i've tried to mount it on, but it works fine on gnome 2.10 with automounter and on windows... same cables, disk, etc
[02:32] <isai> dabaSlon: how do i force the version?
[02:32] <Jormundgand> When I'm customising a bash prompt how do I display just the uppermost directory? ${PWD} prints the whole path.
[02:33] <cafuego> transgress: Does it work fine on Gnome 2.10 or does it work, but STILL print those errors?
[02:33] <dabaSlon> I told you in synaptic, otherwise if somweone knows, or man apt-get
[02:33] <transgress> cafuego: no errors
[02:33] <cafuego> Jormundgand: \W
[02:33] <cafuego> Jormundgand: ${PWD} is \w
[02:34] <penguinparty> so here is my other problem . . . . ALSA dosnt work for me. . . I grabed hoary prerelease 64 and installed it and my sound doesnt work, it worked on the 4.10 live/install, and it works on the 5.04 x86 live cd, but not on my running system
[02:34] <penguinparty> there is no /dev/dsp  . . . im running au8820 chip for sound
[02:34] <Jormundgand> cafuego: And how do I display the directory name instead of ~?
[02:34] <dabaSlon> Jormundgand: what?
[02:34] <dabaSlon> what iis your question, I id not get it.
[02:34] <cafuego> Jormundgand: I'm not sure it can.
[02:34] <dabaSlon> uppermost?
[02:34] <Jormundgand> dabaSlon: When you're in the home directory bash displays a ~. I want to display the directory name.
[02:34] <penguinparty> I get the following in my dmesg  . . .
[02:35] <penguinparty> RIP: 0010:[<ffffffff881276bb>]  <ffffffff881276bb>{:snd_au8820:vortex_core_init+42}
[02:35] <penguinparty> RSP: 0018:ffff81003dfa5de8  EFLAGS: 00010292
[02:35] <penguinparty> RAX: ffffc20000040000 RBX: ffff81003b86c028 RCX: 000000000000ffff
[02:35] <penguinparty> RDX: 0000000000000006 RSI: 0000000000000000 RDI: 0000000000000005
[02:35] <penguinparty> RBP: ffff81003b86c028 R08: 0000000000000036 R09: 8000000000000073
[02:35] <penguinparty> R10: 0000000000000000 R11: 0000000000000001 R12: 00000000ffffffff
[02:35] <penguinparty> R13: ffff81003db10c28 R14: ffff81003dfa5e40 R15: 0000000000507250
[02:35] <goldfish> oh dear
[02:35] <cafuego> dabaSlon: basename `pwd`
[02:35] <penguinparty> does any of that make sense?
[02:35] <crimsun> please don't flood
[02:35] <dabaSlon> print working directory, displays the contents opf CWD.
[02:35] <crimsun> use #flood instead
[02:35] <crimsun> and yes, it makes sense
[02:35] <goldfish> Jormundgand: man bash,then type /\\w,shows u all the escape sequences for bash propt customization
[02:35] <crimsun> use alsa-source from universe
[02:35] <transgress> the entire drive
[02:36] <cafuego> dabaSlon: Yes, but he wants 'user' instead of /home/user and not ~
[02:36] <dabaSlon> Jormundgand: hehe:)
[02:36] <crimsun> you'll need the snd-au8820 driver
[02:36] <penguinparty> crimsun: I did use alsa-source from universe
[02:36] <crimsun> penguinparty: how about 1.0.9rc4a?
[02:36] <dabaSlon> I just read his post now, since the guy flooded:)
[02:36] <cafuego> transgress: Then use 'parted' and not 'fdisk' to make a new partition... see if that helps at all.
[02:37] <penguinparty> crimsun: 1.0.9rc4a of what? alsa?
[02:37] <dabaSlon> cafuego: how long have you been using Linux?
[02:37] <cafuego> dabaSlon: about 11 years
[02:37] <dabaSlon> nice
[02:37] <N17R0> Hi, I uninstalled firefox and downloaded the newest from the mozilla website as a .tar.gz and I then run the ./firefox-installer, wich bring up the firefox setup, so i choose to install to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox. But now firefox won't run anymore :'( How can i fix this ?
[02:38] <crimsun> penguinparty: alsa-driver
[02:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> dabaSlon what?!
[02:38] <dabaSlon> evan was asking who speaks esperanto
[02:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> how does an app in /usr/local/bin know to link against libs in /usr/local/lib and not /usr/lib?
[02:38] <cafuego> BROKEN_LADDER: Not, normally.
[02:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> i said "how"
[02:39] <dabaSlon> mv
[02:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's not a yes/no question.
[02:39] <cafuego> BROKEN_LADDER: if you want specific versions, you're better off compiling statically.
[02:39] <dabaSlon> :-p
[02:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> cafuego you aren't answering me.
[02:39] <dabaSlon> sure he was:)
[02:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh jesus
[02:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> please, answer the question i asked.
[02:39] <cafuego> BROKEN_LADDER: It's a yes/no question, you just don't like the answer ;-)
[02:40] <dabaSlon> :)
[02:40] <dabaSlon> chill, sorry. I would mv, maybe.
[02:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm trying to figure out what effects might have come over my system when i installed jack from source.
[02:40] <penguinparty> crimsun: i used 1.0.8 alsa . . . but why would all of the live cd's work and not my install?
[02:40] <cafuego> BROKEN_LADDER: Try LD_PRELOAD, see if that helps at all.
[02:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> because now qjackctl won't work right.
[02:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> it won't connect to jac
[02:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> k
[02:40] <crimsun> penguinparty: they don't use 1.0.8
[02:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> is cafuego a bot?
[02:40] <cafuego> BROKEN_LADDER: bugger all, i dunno
[02:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh dude..i've been talking to a bot..lame
[02:40] <dabaSlon> is cafuego a bot, lol...
[02:40] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: did you recompile qjackctl against the libjack in /usr/local/lib ?
[02:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just compiled it.
[02:41] <penguinparty> crimsun: cant I just use the alsa-drivers that are in the latest kernel?
[02:41] <toran> BROKEN_LADDER: could you decapitalize your nick?
[02:41] <toran> :)
[02:41] <crimsun> penguinparty: sure. That's 1.0.6.
[02:41] <dabaSlon> :)
[02:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> i was told that binaries do not "store" the location of the libs they were compiled against, but use environment variables to look for them.
[02:41] <qko> hello
[02:41] <cafuego> BROKEN_LADDER: And lo behold, I told you about LD_PRELOAD
[02:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> toran please don't be the 10,000th person to bug me about this.  could you please uppercase yours?
[02:41] <penguinparty> crimsun: is that what the live cd's use? why would they work, but not my install?
[02:41] <dabaSlon> hi, qko
[02:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> i thought bots weren't allowed in here.
[02:42] <dabaSlon> :))
[02:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> cafuego is a bot right?
[02:42] <dabaSlon> lmao
[02:42] <crimsun> cafuego is a person.
[02:42] <TORAN> BROKEN_LADDER: it's simply that all capitals is much more distracting than lowercase
[02:42] <dabaSlon> no bots.
[02:42] <qko> which is the command to know about the partitions, to mount ntfs unit?
[02:42] <cafuego> BROKEN_LADDER: if you preload the lib from /usr/local/lib and then run jackctl...
[02:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> uhh..then why did he keep saying irrelevant things that sounded like something a bot would say?
[02:42] <dabaSlon> fdisk -l as sudo
[02:42] <dabaSlon> qk^
[02:42] <qko> I cant remember
[02:42] <crimsun> penguinparty: certain live cds do. The warty ones use 1.0.4; the hoary ones, 1.0.6.
[02:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> cafuego you aren't answering any question i'm asking whatsoever.
[02:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> cafuego you sound like a bot.
[02:42] <cafuego> BROKEN_LADDER: Or ignore and troll me.. up to you.
[02:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> troll?
[02:42] <tidalwav1> hi room
[02:42] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: actually he did answer your question.
[02:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> dude, you are talking like a bot.
[02:42] <dabaSlon> ok, drop it.
[02:43] <cafuego> too late, ignored
[02:43] <dabaSlon> now
[02:43] <tidalwav1> I have a program that's giving errors about not being able to find liblua.so
[02:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't see an answer anywhere there.
[02:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> nothing he said was related to my question remotely.
[02:43] <dabaSlon> hey, tidal,...
[02:43] <penguinparty> crimsun: so when I installed 2.6.11.8 my alsa didnt work either . . .what is the best thing for me to do?
[02:43] <dabaSlon> just chill.
[02:43] <tidalwav1> I tried installing some lua dev packages from synaptic, and I keep getting the same messages
[02:43] <dabaSlon> did you answer crimsun?
[02:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> can i just get a straight answer?
[02:43] <dabaSlon> maybe yuoull need to link it.
[02:43] <evan> BROKEN_LADDER, cxu vi parolas esperanton?
[02:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> evan facilkompreneble
[02:43] <dabaSlon> ln -s that .so, so you have a link where it wants it
[02:43] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: in other words, he said that "the app does not"
[02:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> evan kial?  u ci anka?
[02:44] <tidalwav1> daba: what?
[02:44] <qko> thanks a lot
[02:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun well, he didn't say anything like that
[02:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> but ldd ..how does that work then?
[02:44] <qko> im going to reboot
[02:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> doesn't it check based upon how the bin was compiled?
[02:44] <tidalwav1> daba: I tried that
[02:44] <dabaSlon> k, well, you ned to mount it
[02:44] <transgress> about how longs it take to dd over a 60 gig drive with zeros?
[02:44] <tidalwav1> still nothing
[02:44] <dabaSlon> qko
[02:44] <evan> BROKEN_LADDER, mi estis kurioza
[02:44] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: <sigh> He did say "not"
[02:44] <dabaSlon> nio reboots in linux
[02:44] <tidalwav1> man ln
[02:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> evan a oni povus diri, "mi kuriozis"
[02:44] <cafuego> transgress: Depends on whether it's an scsi320 drive or a usb1.1 drive.
[02:44] <tidalwav1> oops
[02:45] <tidalwav1> I thought I had a terminal tehre
[02:45] <cafuego> transgress: Couple of hours probably.
[02:45] <transgress> usb 2.0 drive
[02:45] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: ldd uses the ld path, which you can affect in a variety of ways
[02:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun i don't see any line where he said that.  sorry.
[02:45] <evan> BROKEN_LADDER, vere? bone
[02:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun so ldd does nothing that i couldn't do by just looking at my env?
[02:45] <cafuego> transgress: Probably about 10-12Mb/sec
[02:45] <dabaSlon> qko. you just mounting a ntfs partition?
[02:45] <qko> yes
[02:45] <cafuego> @ (60*1024)/12
[02:45] <ubotu> 5120
[02:45] <dabaSlon> qko, well, after you add it to the grubs menu.lst
[02:45] <cafuego> 2 hours?
[02:45] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: (He answered immediately following your question. There was no gap.)
[02:46] <dabaSlon> then yuo can sudo mount -a
[02:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> evan jes..oni povas fari tion al vorton ajn.
[02:46] <thechitowncubs> whats the shortcut for the run dialog?
[02:46] <dabaSlon> sudo update-grub
[02:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun liar!
[02:46] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: essentially.
[02:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> do you want me to paste what he said?!
[02:46] <dabaSlon> ahhh, Im not making sense
[02:46] <transgress> eh okay i guess i won't dd the entire thing then heh
[02:46] <thechitowncubs> Can you please be more mature?
[02:46] <cafuego> transgress: *grin*
[02:46] <qko> i have mount 2 windows partitions and i cant mount the 3
[02:46] <sri_> so..looks like new packages for X, which is cool.
[02:46] <dabaSlon> hhaaahah
[02:46] <qko> because is in another HD
[02:46] <qko> thanks
[02:46] <dabaSlon> thats fine
[02:46] <cafuego> transgress: it's also safer (data security wise) to overwrite the disk with random data from /dev/urandom ;-)
[02:47] <dabaSlon> its just hdb
[02:47] <dabaSlon> did you sudo fdisk -l?
[02:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> BROKEN_LADDER: if you want specific versions, you're better off compiling statically. <--
[02:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> yup.  he completely ignored my question in every way.
[02:47] <transgress> cafuego: eh it was just stolen movies and porn anyways.  nothing to worry about ;_
[02:47] <dabaSlon> BROKEN_LADDER: take it easy...dont call ppl liars, just take it easy.
[02:47] <transgress> ;)
[02:47] <cafuego> transgress: <heh>
[02:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> well i'm just trying to get help and i feel like i'm talking to the riddler.
[02:47] <qko> its ok
[02:47] <dabaSlon> we'll figure it out..k?
[02:47] <transgress> cafuego: what did you tell me to use?  was it part?
[02:48] <transgress> instead of fdisk
[02:48] <cafuego> transgress: 'parted'
[02:48] <qko> thanks dabaSlon
[02:48] <dabaSlon> qko, did you fdisk -l?
[02:48] <qko> all mounted
[02:48] <dabaSlon> ok, cool
[02:48] <qko> yes
[02:48] <dabaSlon> excellent:)
[02:48] <evan> BROKEN_LADDER, tell me what you think of this: http://sit.edu/esperanto/syllabus_2000.html
[02:48] <cafuego> transgress: And after doing that, use mkfs. After that, run fsck and make it do a badblocks scan.
[02:48] <qko> i only need information about hdd1...jeje
[02:48] <tidalwav1> so yeah, liblua.so
[02:48] <evan> BROKEN_LADDER, it's in my state which is cool but it's kind of expensive, which i guess i would expect
[02:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> i compiled ardour from scratch.  since i couldn't locate a source/header package for jack, i compiled jack from source.
[02:48] <tidalwav1> I have a liblua50.so on my system
[02:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> now qjackctl doesn't work.
[02:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> what's the most logical straightforward way to correct this?
[02:49] <qko> hda1, hda2, hda3, hda4.....fuck hdd1!!!
[02:49] <dabaSlon> where, tidal?
[02:49] <qko> jeje
[02:49] <tidalwav1> daba: /usr/lib :)
[02:49] <dabaSlon> heh...
[02:49] <dabaSlon> not sure
[02:49] <dabaSlon> gotta write something out.
[02:49] <tidalwav1> daba: the exact error is error while loading shared libraries: liblua.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:49] <qko> i write that information in /etc/fstab
[02:50] <transgress> cafuego: i can't do a linux partition with it?  the label types are bsd, gpt, mac, dvh, msdos, pc98, s390, amiga, and loop
[02:50] <transgress> ?
[02:50] <qko> thanks im going to study
[02:50] <cafuego> transgress: linux uses msdos
[02:50] <transgress> eww
[02:51] <transgress> i didn't know that...
[02:51] <cafuego> transgress: it's a partiton map, not a filesystem type.
[02:51] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: the most logical way is to completely remove the jackd that you compiled
[02:51] <cafuego> transgress: rather then calling it msdos, maybe call it i386
[02:51] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: then install the jackd headers
[02:51] <crimsun> then install ardour.
[02:51] <crimsun> these are all available in universe.
[02:51] <cafuego> transgress: linux will also happily read mac, bsd and other partition maps... it's just that say Windows can;t handle any non-msdos ones.
[02:52] <tidalwav1> daba: I think symlinks would solve the problem but I don't know where it's looking
[02:52] <Hackmo> Can anyone help me with my usb webcam problem?
[02:52] <dabaSlon> tidal, me neither, I dont even no which program you are using:)
[02:52] <dooglus> when I do "places -> home folder", the window that comes up doesn't have a tree view in the left panel.
[02:52] <dooglus> can I get it to have a tree view?  (it doesn't have a left panel at all)
[02:53] <transgress> umm okay i don't know what the end of the drive is... is there a way to see that in part?  fdisk tells me and whatnot...
[02:53] <cafuego> transgress: Just the default values should do
[02:53] <transgress> cafuego: it doesn't list any
[02:53] <cafuego> lemme check
[02:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun interestingly enough, when searching apt-cache for jackd, only one package came up.  nothing about headers.
[02:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun which is the only reason i did something as laborious as compile jack myself.
[02:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> evan where is this thing?
[02:54] <cafuego> transgress: When you type 'print' it should list a disk geomrty, from 0 to XXX megabytes.
[02:54] <evan> BROKEN_LADDER, in Brattleboro, Vermont
[02:55] <cafuego> transgress: Just set the end to second number there
[02:55] <sri_> crimsun: I see that the X packages have been updated.  I've still been having problems with it trying to find the "Fixed" font.
[02:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol evan those morons typed Vere au Fantazie instead of Vere a Fantazie
[02:55] <evan> I noticed that... i think it's excusable
[02:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah i'm just kidding.
[02:55] <sri_> crimsun: part of the reason seems to be that x-window-system-core is incomplete. :/
[02:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's funny though.
[02:56] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: you really need to look at the source package for jackd
[02:56] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: that lists all the binary packages built from it
[02:56] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: from there, it's trivial to see which dev package you need
[02:57] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: you could also search for qjackctl's depends
[02:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> what source package?!
[02:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> does it not include the name jackd?
[02:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> apt-cache search jackd
[02:58] <crimsun> look at the source for it
[02:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> the source i downloaded when i compiled it?
[02:59] <Zodiac> Okay.... so what "plugin" do I need to play Mp3z?
[02:59] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: no, apt-cache showsrc jackd
[03:00] <JStrike> Ok. After sorting my way around the xserver issue in Breezy, there is something odd. When I log into Gnome, I get a dialog box saying "xsession:" and a close button. Doesn't seem to effect anything, but anyone have any idea what it means?
[03:00] <dooglus> BROKEN_LADDER: edit /etc/apt/sources.list - copy each line and replace 'deb' with 'deb-src' at the start in the copy, then 'apt-get build-dep jackd' to install the build dependancies
[03:00] <crimsun> Zodiac: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:00] <Zodiac> oh no
[03:00] <Zodiac> this could be a deal breaker...
[03:01] <crimsun> sri_: -20 or later?
[03:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> one sec
[03:01] <JStrike> Zodiac : Why is that a deal breaker?
[03:01] <Zodiac> nevermind, I suppose this isnt to bad... I thought I would not be able to play them at all!
[03:01] <N17R0> alright i have Kubuntu, and i downloaded the newest firefox .tar.gz and run the setup and then i choose to let it install to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox. But i can't run it via the KDE menu, only via console with ./firefox command. So i remove the folder mozilla-firefox to install it on the official way using kynaptic, but now i cant run it at all even with the ./firefox command it aint working.
[03:02] <Zodiac> I just have to jump through some hoops is all
[03:02] <N17R0> oops wrong channel
[03:02] <Zodiac> ha ha
[03:02] <thechitowncubs> What is the best way to share images w/ friends in Linux?
[03:02] <Zodiac> nice
[03:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> dooglus thank you.
[03:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun same.
[03:02] <crimsun> N17R0: erm, you can't
[03:03] <crimsun> N17R0: you just nuked the system-wide moz-firefox dir
[03:03] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: same what?
[03:03] <thechitowncubs> Are there any "Hello" alternatives, or something of the like?
[03:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> thanks
[03:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun look at the previous line.
[03:03] <N17R0> crimsun: that sounds bad
[03:03] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: ah
[03:03] <JStrike> Anyone have an idea about the xsession problem?
[03:04] <crimsun> N17R0: yes. don't do that again, or you'll just kick yourself in the forehead (again)
[03:04] <JStrike> thechitowncubs : Use F-Spot in conjunction with something like flickr
[03:04] <transgress> okay cafuego now it doesn't toss errors at me when i plug up the usb drive, but it doesn't show up in media:/ on konq and it doesn't seem that there are any sda's in my /dev directory anymore...
[03:04] <crimsun> N17R0: please backup ( and move out of the way ) ~/.mozilla
[03:04] <crimsun> N17R0: then apt-get --reinstall install mozilla-firefox
[03:04] <N17R0> crimsun: ok thx for info, im new on linux. But in the future its best to only use kynaptic right, and not just install software from websites ?
[03:05] <crimsun> N17R0: ubuntu backports security fixes
[03:05] <N17R0> ohh thats also a problem, i cant find that .mozilla dir
[03:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> dooglus does that build-dep thing actually compile anything?
[03:05] <dooglus> BROKEN_LADDER: no
[03:06] <JStrike> N17R0 : using autopackages and similar are fine to use. Synaptic can always be used if you know exactly what you want to install
[03:07] <N17R0> alright
[03:07] <Mestapheles> has anyo used smart boot manager to boot from cd when bios doesn't allow for this?
[03:08] <N17R0> Mestapheles: i use Bootit NG for dual booting, and it has 2 boot from cd methods
[03:09] <limer> how do I have nautilus use the "browse" view at all times?  how can I stop it from resizing itself every new folder?
[03:09] <Mestapheles> I don't see a option for CD.  Just "quit to bios", "reboot", "floppy", "hd", and "primary one" (which just boots into windoze)
[03:09] <navreet> how can I use flash on amd64?
[03:09] <reisio> limer: 1min
[03:09] <Mestapheles> looking into bootit ng
[03:10] <limer> reisio: ok bro
[03:10] <transgress> grar... this damned external hard drive will be the end of me
[03:10] <elroot> 2855-30071-2321
[03:10] <N17R0> bootit ng but is not free
[03:10] <Mestapheles> k
[03:10] <reisio> limer: Applications > System Tools > Configuration Editor
[03:10] <reisio> limer: /apps/nautilus/preferences
[03:10] <N17R0> just check on emule for *** ;)
[03:11] <reisio> limer: always_use_browser
[03:11] <limer> reisio: tyty
[03:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun i am using the packaged jack and qjackctl, and still qjackctl can't connect to jack as a client.
[03:12] <N17R0> ohh man ive been searching already 1 hour for that .mozilla dir, anyone know where it hides? Or is it a hidden folder ?
[03:12] <limer> reisio: corrects resizing issue, now I need to get a tree on the left
[03:13] <navreet> has anyone tried breezy yet?
[03:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> N17R0 your mozilla settings?
[03:13] <N17R0> yes
[03:13] <transgress> navreet: it's really unstable
[03:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> ~/.mozilla
[03:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> i think
[03:13] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: you're using realtime-lsm?
[03:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah
[03:13] <crimsun> jackd and qjackctl work fine here
[03:13] <JStrike> N17R0 : . directories are hidden by definition
[03:13] <navreet> transgress, I heard flash and acrobat work easily under amd64 breezy
[03:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun bear in mind, this all worked before i recompiled my own jack.
[03:14] <N17R0> nope its not in my root as far as i can see
[03:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun it did for me too.
[03:14] <cafuego> navreet: flash on amd64 works via a 32bit chroot installed, and even then it will crash too often to be sueful.
[03:14] <transgress> navreet: they'd be about the only things if they do
[03:14] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: did you remove your self-compiled jack?
[03:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun jack seems to be running fine..qjackctl just can't connect to it.
[03:14] <transgress> navreet: don't run breezy unless you are a developer or pro beta tester heh
[03:14] <navreet> cafuego, any idea why they crash too often?  theoretically, they shouldn't... right
[03:14] <cafuego> navreet: if X on breezy worked I could check...
[03:14] <reisio> limer: preferences
[03:14] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: right, but did you remove your self-compiled jack?
[03:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun i'll double check.  i thought i had.
[03:14] <cafuego> navreet: flash crashes because it's really shitty software <heh>
[03:14] <reisio> limer: edit > preferences I think, or View > tree something
[03:14] <JStrike> N17R0 : Set nuatilus to show hidden directories, then look in whatever you home directory is called (eg /home/bob)
[03:14] <navreet> transgress, cafuego: dang... that broken, eh?
[03:15] <transgress> cafuego: did you see what i said?  it doesn't toss errors on this computer anymore, but i also can't find it to mount it... i no longer have any /dev/sda's...
[03:15] <limer> reisio: yeah . . . looking around
[03:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun oh wait..i used scons to compile it.  is there a way to cleanly get rid of it?
[03:15] <sri_> crimsun: dunno..dont' remember
[03:15] <N17R0> JStrike: alright, i don't have nuatius yet
[03:15] <cafuego> transgress: ha! unplug and replug, what does 'dmesg say?
[03:15] <cibressus> how do i run .deb packaged and .bin files?
[03:15] <N17R0> let me sudo apt-get nuatilus, hold on
[03:15] <crimsun> sri_: you don't have it installed still?
[03:15] <^thehatsrule^> bin just do sh or ./
[03:16] <transgress> cibressus: dpkg for .deb files and sh for .bin files
[03:16] <JStrike> N17R0 : It comes with Ubuntu. Click on Places and then Home Folder
[03:16] <^thehatsrule^> deb to install use dpkg -i file.deb
[03:16] <limer> reisio: thx so much though man.  a new window every folder was driving me crazy
[03:16] <JStrike> N17R0 : And it is Nautilus not nuatilus (Spelling mistake on my part)
[03:16] <jsgotangco> morning
[03:17] <N17R0> lol kk, but im on Kubuntu
[03:17] <transgress> cafuego: http://pastebin.com/289839
[03:17] <JStrike> N17R0 : Then you are on your own
[03:17] <reisio> limer: yes, that drove me crazy, too :p
[03:17] <N17R0> ahh man, #kubuntu is sleeping
[03:17] <cibressus> god damnit
[03:18] <cibressus> why does linux have so many dependencies?
[03:18] <JStrike> N17R0 : Get Ubuntu :-)
[03:18] <sri_> gnome has better support atm..
[03:18] <sri_> so get ubuntu :)
[03:18] <LazySod> how do i get a pid and force disconnect in  terminal
[03:18] <cibressus> why are'nt they just packeged in the package?
[03:18] <crimsun> N17R0: there's no point in repeating myself in there
[03:18] <N17R0> any console command to delete that damn .mozilla hidden folder ?
[03:18] <transgress> N17R0: i answered you in #kubuntu
[03:18] <crimsun> N17R0: ls -a ~/.mozilla
[03:18] <sri_> rm?
[03:18] <JStrike> N17R0 : rm -rf ~/.mozilla
[03:19] <JStrike> N17R0 : but just get Ubuntu
[03:19] <transgress> whoa... it's actually trying to mount my drive
[03:19] <transgress> maybe!
[03:19] <LazySod> force program to close in terminal, anybody...
[03:19] <limer> woot!  got it
[03:20] <limer> LazySod: man kill
[03:20] <reisio> limer: yayx0r
[03:20] <transgress> or perhaps mount will just hang now
[03:20] <navreet> I wish totem was shipping with more useful decoders (I just tried to play an ordinary avi and a mp3.. couldn't)
[03:20] <limer> reisio: hahahax0r
[03:20] <LazySod> I got a xvncscreen covering half my desktop... i got problems running man
[03:21] <sri_> JStrike: it's not easy to switch desktops, some people are attached to their environment.. (like me)
[03:21] <JStrike> navreet : It cant ship with those decoders because of patent restrictions
[03:21] <sri_> navreet	get the stuff from tesng's apt dir
[03:21] <reisio> LazySod: killall processName
[03:21] <JStrike> sri_ : Is this sri or an imposter?
[03:21] <sri_> navreet: er, tseng's apt repo
[03:21] <verney> Hey I had just installed ubuntu for the very fist time!!
[03:21] <sri_> JStrike: dunno, is there another sri around here?
[03:22] <JStrike> sri_ : Gnome's sri
[03:22] <LazySod> thansk reisio
[03:22] <sri_> JStrike: well I suppose if I call you 'bitch', would that help? :)
[03:22] <verney> how do I change the IP of the NIC?
[03:22] <sri_> JStrike: considering my personality on irc.gimp.org :D
[03:22] <N17R0> alright THX for help JStrike, ill keep ubuntu in mind :D
[03:22] <JStrike> sri_ :Ah, there we go :-)
[03:22] <sri_> JStrike: haha
[03:22] <JStrike> sri_ : On all the channels tonight I see
[03:24] <sri_> JStrike: yeah, waiting for all my X stuff to download from ubunutu :D
[03:24] <herpes> mmm thats interesting totem is playing my mp3's at twice there speed with no audio output
[03:26] <verney> does anybody knows how to change the IP of the NIC.. I just installed ubunto for the very fist time and I feel kind of lost
[03:26] <verney> I want to have a fix IP in the lan
[03:27] <limer> hmmm, not sure verney.  good q though
[03:27] <Janux> hello all, I have a simple question.  How do I click on an IRC link from firefox and x-chat will open that channel?
[03:27] <verney> i know how to do it in redhad but have no clue how to do it in this distro
[03:28] <verney> changing distros is always a challenge
[03:28] <limer> verney: at the cli, man ifconfig
[03:28] <N17R0> YEAH I fixed it, firefox works again! Many thx for all help!
[03:28] <verney> hey good tip... going to try...
[03:28] <verney> :-)
[03:28] <herpes> verney, System->Administration->Networking
[03:29] <limer> hi herpes
[03:29] <herpes> hey limer
[03:29] <RoughyIL> annoying newbie here...  Can I be so bold as to ask if anyone's had any Ubuntu & MAME experience?
[03:29] <limer> what goin on tonight bro?
[03:29] <reisio> Janux: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25372.html
[03:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> i thought the whole point of having things like /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin was that i could compile from source without fear of mucking up packaged stuff.
[03:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> is it inadvisible to compile things yourself in debian/ubuntu?
[03:29] <herpes> limer, messing with qemu and a virtual machine
[03:29] <limer> RoughyIL: I have and it was hell }:>
[03:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> this is causing me a huge headache.
[03:30] <RoughyIL> ah, shit
[03:30] <RoughyIL> limer:  "WAS"
[03:30] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: it's absolutely fine to compile things yourself; just make sure you remove the packaged ones first.
[03:30] <RoughyIL> so, if you had to repeat it, would it be hell again?
[03:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh my gawd
[03:30] <limer> RoughyIL: don't be discouraged though, you likely don't have a santa cruz
[03:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> they can't co-exist?!
[03:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> doesn't that defeat the whole point of /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin?
[03:30] <RoughyIL> haha, no I have a crappy Wintergreen
[03:30] <pschulz01> BROKEN_LADDER: the advice is to compile up to a package..
[03:30] <limer> herpes: huh, haven't heard much about qemu.  only thing I ever touched in windows was vmware and bochs
[03:30] <RoughyIL> limer: but it's a spare box lying around that I'd love to get setup prior building some cabinets
[03:31] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: if you want /usr/local to take precedence, you need to tell the linker and the loader
[03:31] <RoughyIL> limer: so if it works I can repeat it a couple of times
[03:31] <limer> RoughyIL: if you want simple Linux MAME . . . look into advancecd
[03:31] <RoughyIL> limer:  I'm not sure I follow that
[03:32] <herpes> limer, it runs ok except i think it accelerating the rate at which media is played on the real machine :/
[03:32] <RoughyIL> I'm really looking for a dummies guide, but I've a feeling that won't be there for me
[03:32] <limer> RoughyIL: I had two issues with MAME in ubuntu, joystick port not being seen/used and sound nil
[03:32] <limer> but that's my exp
[03:32] <limer> RoughyIL: give me a min for a link
[03:32] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> limer: yes?
[03:32] <RoughyIL> limer: well, at this point I'm still trying to master a front-end and a simple emulator that'll actually just "work" for me in this keyboard setup
[03:32] <RoughyIL> limer: ty
[03:33] <limer> advancecd is a bootable cd/iso you help to create with your own roms -- boot into a memory only linux
[03:33] <limer> what alphabet[NTNWWNe ?
[03:33] <limer> that name.  sheesh
[03:34] <limer> RoughyIL: http://advancemame.sourceforge.net/cd-readme.html
[03:34] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> oic
[03:34] <limer> was that a cute way of saying alphabet soup?  :P
[03:35] <alphabet`> uh?
[03:35] <alphabet`> iono
[03:35] <RoughyIL> limer:  so, to make a long story short, burn all my "stuff" to that single CD and run it off of there instead of on the hard drive?
[03:35] <limer> RoughyIL: yes, it's cheating . . . I know :D
[03:35] <limer> a workaround
[03:35] <limer> since it's self-contained
[03:35] <RoughyIL> pfft
[03:35] <RoughyIL> that's a good cheat
[03:36] <limer> ;)
[03:36] <RoughyIL> BUT--and isn't there always a but?
[03:36] <limer> only thing you should realize is that I have avoided teching the MAME/Ubuntu problem
[03:36] <limer> :D
[03:36] <RoughyIL> I'd like to be able to replicate this and not have to run off a friggin' CD, so is there another way?
[03:36] <RoughyIL> lol
[03:37] <limer> what do you mean by replicate?
[03:37] <limer> running off a cd isn't slow if that's what you're thinking
[03:37] <kestas> is mame that arcade machine emulator?
[03:37] <limer> games run just as fast as they would in windows for example
[03:37] <RoughyIL> well, I'm a quick fan of ubuntu in a short time
[03:37] <limer> kestas: yes
[03:37] <kestas> RoughyIL: you can always make an iso and mount it on a loopback device
[03:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun i don't know what you mean by "precedence".  If you aren't supposed to use both at the same time, why even have /usr/ and /usr/local?
[03:38] <RoughyIL> and I like the option of keeping that base and having some flexibility with the system without dropping all the way out... blah blah, I like the OS
[03:38] <RoughyIL> and I want to keep it
[03:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun in any case, why is re-installing the packaged version of these tools not fixing my problems?
[03:38] <RoughyIL> and be able to have an easy system to replicate for friends, etc.
[03:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun I can't figure out how to specifically uninstall some of the things i installed, because i installed them with scons and such.
[03:39] <RoughyIL> limer: hell, I'd be willing to write the helpfile to get this going
[03:39] <kestas> scons?
[03:39] <limer> RoughyIL: I'm not being forthcoming I thinks.  you boot to the cd and play.  nothing on the hd is touched
[03:39] <limer> so you get what you want, just not in ubuntu
[03:39] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: note that /usr/local/lib does not appear in /etc/ld.so.conf
[03:39] <RoughyIL> limer:  right
[03:39] <RoughyIL> limer: but to add a ROM, I'd have to burn a new CD
[03:39] <RoughyIL> what a PITA
[03:39] <limer> true
[03:39] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: furthermore, did you reexec ldconf after (un)installing?
[03:40] <limer> but I think future versions will have option for usb memstick etc.
[03:40] <RoughyIL> heh
[03:40] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: you'll need to remove them completely, then ldconfig
[03:40] <limer> also, if you have a near complete set . . . just put your top 100 games on
[03:40] <limer> ought to keep you occupied :D
[03:40] <RoughyIL> that's nice, but I'd like for everything to be there.  I guess I'm just a PITA, too
[03:40] <transgress> cafuego: did you run away again?
[03:41] <limer> with complete mame sets going beyond 30 gigs . . . it's getting interesting
[03:41] <RoughyIL> yeah, definitely and that's what I'm looking at
[03:41] <RoughyIL> walmart has some nice entry-level systems you can easily, cheaply upgrade for around 190
[03:41] <limer> RoughyIL: still neat to play with for a bit if nothing else.  your friends might find a use for it.  esp your non-techie friends
[03:42] <RoughyIL> limer: I agree; this is an interim solution for me
[03:42] <RoughyIL> shit, all you need is a mb and a cd drive
[03:42] <sri_> hmm..is it okay to remove nvidia-glx when upgrading the latest bunch of stuff from breezy?
[03:43] <limer> RoughyIL: also nice if your at work/school looking for an easy bypass to fun ;)
[03:43] <RoughyIL> heh, not really.  Mostly, I'm building some cabs for my rec room in my new house
[03:43] <RoughyIL> so the more ease of upgrading I have (more ROMs), the better
[03:43] <limer> cool
[03:44] <Hackmo> Anyone willing to help me with my webcam problem?
[03:44] <Hackmo> i've searched the board and google but no luck
[03:44] <RoughyIL> can I run a dual boot?  lol... AdvanceOS (heh) and ubuntu?
[03:44] <dooglus> RoughyIL: why not?
[03:44] <RoughyIL> b/c I don't know how to, honestly
[03:45] <RoughyIL> :-/
[03:45] <RoughyIL> that, I can overcome, though
[03:45] <reisio> RoughyIL: what's AdvanceOS? link?
[03:45] <Janux> thanks, and one more question, does xchat support xdcc send file?
[03:45] <RoughyIL> it was a joke; I don't think it exists
[03:46] <iceman> anyone know the link to installing the nvidia drivers?
[03:46] <limer> RoughyIL: sry, looking into somethin else.  might also look at knoppixmame for kicks
[03:46] <reisio> JanC: xdcc? dunno, dcc yes
[03:46] <RoughyIL> limer: I will.  Thanks for the info; it does help.  Now that I've found a resource for building sweet cabs, I'm trying to get a great process for hte machines
[03:46] <limer> I hear that
[03:46] <wilsoniya> anyone have luck setting up wu-ftpd under hoary?
[03:47] <Janux> reisio, ic thanks
[03:47] <Killroy71> Has anyone had good luck wiht running a USB Logitech WebCam?
[03:47] <iceman> whats the link to installing nvidia drivers ? anyone know ?
[03:47] <limer> reisio: http://advancemame.sourceforge.net/cd-readme.html -- he hopes for advanceOS  :P
[03:48] <bassplayer> hi guys, how do i install the amsn .deb file for ubuntu ____
[03:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun BROKEN_LADDER: note that /usr/local/lib does not appear in /etc/ld.so.conf <-- what's the significance of this?
[03:48] <RoughyIL> limer: can you blame me?
[03:48] <limer> I think it's only time before there is a linux distro just for cabs/emu
[03:48] <bassplayer> someone ?
[03:48] <JanC> Janux : there are xchat scripts that (partially or completely?) implement xdcc
[03:48] <limer> I don't at all.  I hope for it too :D
[03:49] <JanC> ah he's gone  :P
[03:49] <RoughyIL> certainly, I cannot be the only one wanting to get a good mame solution on ubuntu... and I don't want to change the OS
[03:49] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: see the ld manpage
[03:49] <iceman> anyone know the nvidia install link
[03:49] <toshiba_> Unable to install GForce 5200 drivers. Followed procedure on 'unofficial' site. X windows won't start. Have to use 'default' gfx drivers. Any ideas? (newbie)
[03:49] <limer> RoughyIL: no doubt in my mind very poss, but I haven't devoted much time to it lately
[03:50] <RoughyIL> hence the dilemma
[03:50] <RoughyIL> lol
[03:50] <RoughyIL> I have xmame.x11
[03:50] <RoughyIL> and it works
[03:50] <RoughyIL> but in a screen size that's so tiny... so I know I'm too green to get me all the way there
[03:50] <bassplayer> how do i install the amsn deb file on ubuntu _____
[03:50] <toshiba_> iceman, http://www.frankandjacq.com/ubuntuguide/5.04/index.html#installnvidiadriver
[03:50] <RoughyIL> but I'm a windows dork, so getting back to command line stuff sometimes takes a little while
[03:50] <limer> RoughyIL: man xmame.  there is an option for full screen I thinks
[03:51] <bassplayer> someone _
[03:51] <bassplayer> ?
[03:51] <RoughyIL> I've double-clicked the shit out of xmame.x11
[03:51] <bassplayer> how do i install amsn .deb fiel on ubuntu ?
[03:51] <i3dmaster> I had a kernel panic problem after upgrading to 2.6.10-34.1 version for 2.6.10-5 kernel
[03:52] <i3dmaster> I had a kernel panic problem after upgrading to 2.6.10-34.1 version for 2.6.10-5 kernel
[03:52] <bassplayer> how do i install amsn .deb fiel on ubuntu ?
[03:52] <i3dmaster> the kernel seems not be able to recongize my root partition
[03:52] <thenuke> bassplayer: sudo apt-get install amsn
[03:52] <cibressus> how do i 'sudo' in the gui
[03:53] <cibressus> so i can copy a file
[03:53] <sri_> JStrike: how did you fix your font problems again?
[03:53] <reisio> cibressus: open up a terminal
[03:53] <cibressus> k
[03:53] <reisio> cibressus: or do Applications > System Tools > GNOME Super User
[03:54] <wilsoniya> howdy, anybody have the know-how to enable guest users to be able to delete files and remove dirs under wu-ftpd???
[03:54] <cibressus> i don't have that
[03:54] <toshiba_> Help: Can't get the Nvidia drivers to work. Followed the instructions on the 'unnoficial' site. OS will only start w/ 'default' gfx card - Any ideas?
[03:54] <thenuke> hmm, how did I get info about packages which I have not installed
[03:54] <crimsun> toshiba_: "unofficial"? Did you follow http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[03:54] <RoughyIL> limer: any recs on front-ends?
[03:54] <CarlK> toshiba_ - synaptic, find nvidia-glx, innstall, run the script it tells you to, restart X.
[03:55] <iceman> anyone know the link to installin nvidia drivers ...
[03:55] <cibressus> i don't have 'gnome super user'
[03:55] <limer> RoughyIL: -x11-1 should full -- you can try
[03:55] <crimsun> iceman: I just typed it
[03:55] <limer> RoughyIL: gmame was last I think I tried
[03:55] <dravine> so, anyone know how to use these settings in the gnome printer admin area => http://www.jraleigh.com/fileman/printercalibration.jpg
[03:55] <sri_> JStrike: nm, got it working now..yay
[03:56] <CarlK> iceman look up before it scrools off the screen
[03:56] <limer> RoughyIL: could always try advancemame ;)
[03:56] <cibressus> how do i become a super user?
[03:56] <dravine> su
[03:56] <toshiba_> crimsun, followed this one: http://www.frankandjacq.com/ubuntuguide/5.04/index.html#installnvidiadriver
[03:56] <dravine> your users password
[03:56] <RoughyIL> limer: I could, if ... if I wasn't such a tool
[03:57] <cibressus> is thier a defualt password, because mine does'nt work
[03:57] <limer> I know what you mean . . . sometimes I just want to play Kid Icarus and forget all else :P
[03:57] <JStrike> sri_ : Was away from the computer for a moment. Do you get the funny dialog box saying "xsession:" with a close button when you log onto gnome?
[03:57] <dravine> actually, you have to enable root first
[03:57] <Hackmo> Hey, anyone want to help me with my webcam problem?
[03:57] <dravine> sudo passwd root
[03:58] <CarlK> toshiba_ - when you restarted gnome, did you see the nvidia logo splash screen ?
[03:58] <cibressus> god damnit
[03:58] <cibressus> but that does'nt transpose to the gui
[03:59] <bassplayer> my mouse doesnt work (its serial), what can i do ?
[03:59] <dravine> oh
[03:59] <dravine> haha
[03:59] <CarlK> cibressus, you need to restart your box and add this to the append line in grub: init=/bin/bash
[03:59] <dravine> what a dipshit
[04:00] <bassplayer> please, need help
[04:00] <bassplayer> my mouse doesnt work (its serial), what can i do ?
[04:00] <CarlK> bassplayer - we need more info
[04:01] <limer> Roughy: time to test sfa3
[04:01] <bassplayer> its doesnt move, and the buttons dont work..... but its only in linux, it works on windows !
[04:02] <CarlK> bassplayer - it is a db9 plug, right?
[04:02] <bassplayer> yeap, i think so
[04:02] <bassplayer> serial ?
[04:02] <CarlK> bassplayer - yeah - give me a few min... I think I have one still - ill try it
[04:03] <bassplayer> ok, thank man
[04:04] <sutabi> How would I point a cofingureation file to a lib? it says no libglib, but I have that in my /usr/lib/ folder
[04:04] <sutabi> =_=
[04:04] <CarlK> bassplayer - found it - logitech mouseman serial... now off to see if it works
[04:05] <bassplayer> ok, i hope
[04:06] <bassplayer> CarlK ? it worked ?
[04:07] <CarlK> not yet, plugged it in, nothing, trying to restart X... if that doesn't work, Ill reboot the box, and I still have 2 more plans
[04:07] <bassplayer> ok, thanks a lot !
[04:07] <bassplayer> i'll wait right here!
[04:07] <IRCMonkey> hello
[04:08] <dravine> anyone know of a test page pattern for the printer config stuff that can be used for print head calibration?
[04:11] <Zodiac> hmmm
[04:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> when i run qjackstart from command line i get a seg fault.
[04:11] <Zodiac> I am getting an apt-get error...
[04:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> er..jackstart
[04:12] <Zodiac> How do I add sources to apt-get?
[04:13] <transgress> Zodiac: /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:13] <Zodiac> So I would add to that in order to get XMMS in my snaptic package list?
[04:14] <Zodiac> What are some common sources to add?
[04:15] <crimsun> Zodiac: xmms is in main
[04:15] <crimsun> Zodiac: you should be able to install it already
[04:15] <biff_> i can't get php to work with mysql on ubuntu .. i get errorCall to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /var/www/apache2-default/home.php
[04:15] <Zodiac> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:15] <Zodiac> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:15] <Zodiac> is only available from another source
[04:16] <crimsun> Zodiac: paste apt-cache policy xmms in #flood
[04:16] <Zodiac> How?
[04:16] <crimsun> /join #flood
[04:16] <crimsun> /exec -o apt-cache policy xmms
[04:17] <kroc> hi
[04:17] <psychonate> Anybody ever had a .pif file?
[04:17] <limer> hi kroc
[04:18] <kroc> since im a minor, can i order the CDs?
[04:18] <psychonate> I have no idea what to do with this.
[04:18] <psychonate> Someone asked me too look at some pictures and sent me a link to a .pif file.
[04:18] <limer> kroc: I don't see why not
[04:18] <kroc> also, postcode is zipcode?
[04:18] <CarlK> bassplayer - plans b, c, and d didnt'; work, now seeing what the Ubunto Live CD does -
[04:19] <bassplayer> ok....
[04:19] <limer> kroc: yes
[04:19] <bassplayer> i hope that work
[04:20] <CarlK> bassplayer - it is probably really simple, like change one line of a config from aux to something
[04:21] <bassplayer> hmmm.....so _
[04:21] <bassplayer> ?
[04:21] <bassplayer> how do i make that ?
[04:21] <bassplayer> please
[04:21] <camliner> Just want everyone to know that Ubuntu has made my wife unafraid of Linux :)
[04:21] <crimsun> Zodiac: you don't have the main repo enabled
[04:21] <crimsun> Zodiac: reenable it
[04:22] <hodgman> camliner: lol
[04:22] <Zodiac> How do I go about doing that?
[04:22] <bassplayer> carl ?
[04:23] <fazer> Hello, is there are much more lightweight browser than Firefox?
[04:23] <fazer> (don't say lynx links)
[04:24] <herpes> fazer, probably not
[04:24] <fishie> opera :)
[04:24] <crimsun> dillo
[04:24] <kroc> how do i check how much free hard drive memory i have?
[04:24] <CarlK> bassplayer - I am still tryiing to verify that the 10+ year old mouse really works
[04:24] <JStrike> fazer : Epiphany maybe
[04:24] <fazer> fishie: i have used opera for a long time and no, it consumes RAM
[04:24] <fazer> JStrike: hmm, what about galeon and kongeror
[04:24] <fazer> *konqueror
[04:24] <kroc> firefox
[04:24] <fazer> kroc: read what i just said
[04:25] <CarlK> bassplayer - if so, then I will figure out what config file defines it
[04:25] <bassplayer> hmmm... ok, i think the issue is in the config-org
[04:25] <bassplayer> but i dont know how to change
[04:25] <hodgman> fazer: http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/695/   its a good reference
[04:25] <bassplayer> that
[04:25] <JStrike> fazer : Maybe galeon. I really dont like konquerer
[04:25] <kroc> fazer: none probably.. o wait, thers lynx
[04:25] <bassplayer> so, i need your help!
[04:25] <fazer> JStrike: ah thanks.
[04:25] <CarlK> bassplayer - sounds good - probably /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:25] <fazer> kroc: you really don't like reading do you?
[04:25] <kroc> er.. not lynx
[04:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun i get a seg fault when i run jackd -d alsa.
[04:25] <fazer> hodgman: thanks, I shall check it out.
[04:25] <kroc> that command line browser
[04:26] <fazer> kroc: i am aware!
[04:26] <bassplayer> yeap...but how do i get to that file?
[04:26] <kroc> just ignore me
[04:26] <benplaut> gnome is giving me heart-ache!
[04:26] <bassplayer> i mean..how do the config
[04:26] <limer> that was the best trolling I've seen in a while
[04:26] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: on what? strace and ltrace -> pastebin
[04:27] <fazer> bassplayer: go to the command line and type in pico /path/to/file
[04:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun one moment please
[04:27] <JStrike> benplaut : How so?
[04:27] <bassplayer> path/to/file ?
[04:27] <bassplayer> just that ?
[04:27] <benplaut> JStrike: random crashes of the panel, the network settings... basically the whole thing went unstable
[04:27] <jevidl> so, I tried upgrading to hoary from warty, but I don't quite things worked all the way. I have gotten past any errors resulting from my sourcs.list, but now when I try to run synaptics, and mark all upgrades.... it's not marking all upgrades. It shows them as upgradeable, but not marked for the upgrade.
[04:28] <andrew_> hay
[04:28] <jevidl> any suggestions?
[04:28] <andrew_> can any 1 help me install files on my linux
[04:28] <benplaut> andrew_: install programs?
[04:28] <andrew_> yeh
[04:28] <andrew_> first time with it
[04:28] <CarlK> andrew_ yes.
[04:28] <bassplayer> ?
[04:29] <wolfjb> is it possible to change /etc/apt/sources.list to an ubuntu sources (from Debian unstable) and apt-get dist-upgrade to get an ubuntu install?
[04:29] <Varanger> does anoyone know how to make a i915-card work in Ubuntu Hoary?
[04:29] <CarlK> bassplayer - sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf (but I don't recomend it quite yet)
[04:29] <JStrike> andrew_ : What would you like to find out?
[04:29] <bassplayer> oki
[04:30] <Zodiac> Is it the W32 codec that I need to play Mp3z?
[04:30] <andrew_> how to install
[04:30] <JStrike> Zodiac : No. You need to install gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:30] <crimsun> Zodiac: no
[04:30] <bassplayer> ...and the antique mouse worked ?
[04:30] <andrew_> how to install
[04:30] <jevidl> any suggestions why synaptics recognizes upgradeable packages, but won't mark them for upgrading?
[04:30] <benplaut> Zodiac: go to www.ubuntuguide.com ... instructions there
[04:30] <andrew_> how to install
[04:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun strace http://pastebin.com/289864
[04:31] <jevidl> andrew_: all that's going to do is earn you an ignore. try running synaptic and see what you can figure out
[04:31] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: I may not be able to get to it tonight
[04:31] <JStrike> jevidl : The upgrade cause a bigish conflict
[04:31] <CarlK> bassplayer - not yet - Live cd still booting (old box only 64 mb ram)
[04:31] <Varanger> does anoyone know how to make a i915-card work in Ubuntu Hoary?
[04:31] <jevidl> JStrike: is there a way around this without reinstalling?
[04:31] <bassplayer> lol
[04:31] <JStrike> andrew_ : Install what?
[04:31] <andrew_> any thing lol
[04:31] <jevidl> JStrike: I have not been able to find hardly anything on the forums about this
[04:31] <andrew_> what file do i use
[04:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun okay
[04:31] <revtex> Hey guys, I have a USB hard drive on my system that autoloads when pluged in.. I wanna know how to remove the icon from the desktop or just to it from placing one on there
[04:31] <bwlang> got a strange network problem... i'm connected to a firewall device with an internal and an external network  internal:192.168.0.x external 192.168.1.x   somebody has just connected a device with ip address 192.168.1.254 to the internal network... how can i route packets there without munging my connection?.... i've tried route add -host 192.168.1.254 dev eth0 - which adds the route - but packets do not arrive at the device
[04:31] <JStrike> jevidl : Why do you need to upgrade?
[04:31] <jevidl> andrew_: try running synaptic. I don't have a new version yet so I am not sure where it is on the new one
[04:32] <Zodiac> My apt-get doesnt work :(
[04:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun then i'll have to keep trying some other way.  i moved to san francisco to pursue a music career..every waking moment that i'm not at work, i'm working on this.
[04:32] <andrew_> ok what will that do
[04:32] <jevidl> JStrike: I was goign to try to get some of the new gnome layout and stuff that is in hoary. i am still (sort of) on warty at the moment
[04:32] <fazer> Zodiac: be a little bit more specific?
[04:32] <jevidl> andrew_: it is the package manager. it is what you use to install and remove programs
[04:32] <wolfjb> are there any issues switching my sources.list on my debian unstable to ubuntu and doing apt-get dist-upgrade?
[04:32] <andrew_> ok thanks
[04:32] <Hackmo> Anyone willing to help me with my webcam problem? i've googled it and checked the fourm but didn't find anything
[04:32] <bwlang> revtex: i don't understand your question... do you like the icon or not?
[04:32] <CarlK> BROKEN_LADDER - find the DNA lounge
[04:32] <crimsun> wolfjb: yes, pin hoary to >1000
[04:32] <Zodiac> I do enable the main repo?
[04:33] <revtex> bwlang, its pretty :oP but I dont like icons on my desktop
[04:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> CarlK i know where it is.
[04:33] <JStrike> andrew_ : Either go to teh website of the app you need and install the Autopackage if they have one, or else go to System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package Manager and then search for whatever app you are looking for and install
[04:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> i used to live a few blocks from it.
[04:33] <wolfjb> crimsun: thanks
[04:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> CarlK the only way to get booked there is to go through a promoter.
[04:33] <jevidl> JStrike: thanks, I wasn't sure what the direct way to getting to synaptics was
[04:33] <CarlK> BROKEN_LADDER, the owner is JWZ, total linux head - has about 20 linux kiosks in the club
[04:34] <CarlK> BROKEN_LADDER - not to play, to get help with jack ;)
[04:34] <JStrike> jevidl : You should either use warty or hoary, not a combo
[04:34] <bwlang> revtex: i don't know how to turn it off sorry... i'd look in hotplug, then in gnome config
[04:34] <revtex> bwlang, thanks
[04:34] <JStrike> jevidl : Try installing each package manually in Synaptic and see where the error comes in
[04:34] <CarlK> BROKEN_LADDER - long shot, but it would be fun trying and I kinda like the club
[04:34] <jevidl> JStrike: I am trying to get to hoary. :) I have hoary for my sources
[04:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> CarlK wicked!
[04:34] <jevidl> JStrike: hmm... it just doesn't make sense that it wouldn't mark them when I tell it to mark all upgrades
[04:35] <jevidl> JStrike: but I guess I will go through manually this time and then see what happens in the future
[04:35] <JStrike> jevidl : You probably have something non-standard installed
[04:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun can i show you my ltrace as well?
[04:35] <jevidl> heh... or I would be in dependency hell
[04:35] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: sure, but I may not get to them tonight
[04:35] <jevidl> JStrike: oh well, maybe I will just do a reinstall. I have the media here
[04:36] <JStrike> jevidl : Mark for upgrade and then manually do the rest. You will reach a point where it says it wont because of package XYZ
[04:36] <jevidl> JStrike: Xine seems to have major issues
[04:36] <fazer> /quit
[04:36] <etzerd> Hello room
[04:36] <jevidl> JStrike: maybe I will try removing it and then adding it
[04:36] <JStrike> jevidl : Remove it. You can just install it again later
[04:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun http://pastebin.com/289865
[04:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun if you could even take a peek and see whether anything immediately comes to mind that would be great.
[04:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> if not, i understand.
[04:37] <jevidl> JStrike: k. I will go from here. I guess I didn't realize to what extent the upgrade broke some things. there's not much in the forums I could find either
[04:37] <jevidl> JStrike: thansk
[04:37] <fazer> crimsun: have you ever compiled the kernel optimized for your processor?
[04:37] <JStrike> jevidl : Good luck. Should work out alright in the end
[04:38] <novaflare> hmm how can i empty the trash when theres a folder in it that is owned by root .....
[04:39] <crimsun> fazer: plenty
[04:39] <crimsun> fazer: (rather, often in the past)
[04:39] <fazer> crimsun: does it make a huge difference speed wise?
[04:40] <bassplayer> CarlK ?
[04:40] <crimsun> fazer: negligible. Then again, I don't run an SSL-enabled, highly-threaded web server.
[04:40] <bassplayer> how does it goes ?
[04:40] <fazer> crimsun: Ever since I upgraded my laptop's hard drive to a 20 GB one, it seems that system runs slower.
[04:40] <CarlK> bassplayer - I forgot to unplug the ps2 mouse, had to reboot, so annother few min
[04:40] <fazer> crimsun: Would you know of any possible reasons why?
[04:40] <bassplayer> ok....
[04:40] <crimsun> fazer: not possibly without a lot more info
[04:41] <CarlK> fazer - do you have the make/model of both drives?
[04:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> bassplayer what kind of music do you like?
[04:42] <CarlK> BROKEN_LADDER - http://www.jwz.org (fun reading)
[04:42] <bassplayer> broken_ladder / i like jazz and blues
[04:42] <fazer> crimsun and CarlK : Hmm, I have the old Hard drive handy.  Not sure about the current one.  Can I get it from the console?
[04:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> CarlK fun reading right now would be how to make my *%#$ jack work.
[04:43] <bassplayer> also progresive rock
[04:43] <CarlK> fazer - dmesg|less
[04:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> bassplayer tell me whether you like my stuff, http://brokenladder.com/
[04:43] <Zodiac> Where the hell can I get libfaac0 from??
[04:43] <bassplayer> ok
[04:43] <crimsun> Zodiac: debian-marillat
[04:43] <Belial_> what's the best gigabit NIC on the cheap that'll work with linux?
[04:43] <crimsun> bassplayer: what era(s) progrock?
[04:43] <fazer> crimsun: sure.
[04:43] <bassplayer> 80's
[04:44] <bassplayer> some 90's
[04:44] <crimsun> what sort? Jadis? Asia? IQ?
[04:44] <Zodiac> say what crimsun?
[04:44] <crimsun> tossed out the '70s?
[04:44] <bassplayer> pink floyd ?
[04:44] <bassplayer> radiohead ?
[04:44] <crimsun> Zodiac: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:44] <fazer> CarlK: Hmm, I ran that and there seems to be a lot info.
[04:44] <Hackmo> Anyone here use a USB webcam..?
[04:44] <crimsun> bassplayer: hmm, I see. Your idea of progrock differs from mine.
[04:44] <Zodiac> right, but how do I add that to my synaptic manager?
[04:44] <fazer> CarlK: mostly dealing with BIOS and what not.
[04:44] <bassplayer> yeap
[04:45] <Belial_> What's a good gigabit NIC on the cheap compatable with nix?
[04:45] <bassplayer> very dif
[04:45] <CarlK> frazer - thge IDE ids are in there somewhere
[04:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> CarlK that's fascinating.
[04:45] <bassplayer> CarlK - having luck ?
[04:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> bassplayer i love radiohead.  you should check out my stuff.
[04:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> bassplayer you don't live in the bay area by any chance do you?
[04:45] <crimsun> Zodiac: Settings>Repositories
[04:45] <fazer> CarlK: this is a laptop so I see mostly BIOS and ACPI stuff and one DMA line along with other things.
[04:45] <bassplayer> ok, ill do
[04:45] <Zodiac> What is the link I add though?
[04:46] <bassplayer> noup...too far away from that
[04:46] <fazer> CarlK: should I grep for IDE?
[04:47] <CarlK> fazer - did you up/down arrow?
[04:47] <Zodiac> Did my question make sense?
[04:47] <CarlK> down I guess
[04:47] <fazer> CarlK: yes
[04:47] <CarlK> fazer /ide
[04:47] <fazer> damn, there goes my sstem again.
[04:47] <fazer> laggy and what not
[04:47] <Belial_> anyone sugest a gigabit NIC?
[04:48] <Zodiac> hey crimsun, what is the link I add though?
[04:48] <bassplayer> CarlK - how's it going ?????
[04:48] <CarlK> fazer - you should find: hda: Maxtor 90871U2, ATA DISK drive
[04:48] <crimsun> Zodiac: it says on the web page
[04:48] <CarlK> bassplayer booting window manager
[04:48] <bassplayer> ok
[04:48] <Belial_> HELLO
[04:48] <fazer> CarlK: hda: FUJITSU MHR2020AT, ATA DISK drive
[04:49] <CarlK> bassplayer - not looking good... no mouse action
[04:49] <nullset_> I have a radeon 9200 but xlibmesa-dri seems to be diverting to a non dri library....
[04:49] <Belial_> holy crap what is wrong with you people
[04:49] <fazer> crimsun: btw, what more information would you be looking for?
[04:49] <Belial_> is the channel on +m and i don't know or something
[04:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> if i did this stuff to install jack, http://jackit.sourceforge.net/download/, what can i do to undo anything it might have done so i can go back to binary?
[04:49] <bassplayer> hmmm... we'll have to config th xorg, maybe it's that ?
[04:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> CarlK does jwf come into this channel?
[04:49] <Zodiac> ummm I added that one... and I am not seeing a debian-marillat
[04:49] <JStrike> Zodiac : Just install gstreamer0.8-mad as I said earlier
[04:50] <phoenixp3k> I know it might sound weird, but is there some way to execute an EXE on Ubuntu, some sort of virtual program to do so?
[04:50] <crimsun> fazer: what sort of hardware
[04:50] <JStrike> Zodiac : It is in universe or multiverse (Cant remember off hand)
[04:50] <JStrike> phoenix : You might have some luck with WINE
[04:50] <fazer> crimsun: its a Thinkpad 600E laptop with PII 366 MHz.  Ram: 160 MB  Hard drive: (as pasted previously)
[04:50] <Zodiac> that isnt comin up either... the gstreamer obe
[04:51] <sutabi> ~_~ anyone here have any problems with glib? I am tring to add it to the configuration parameter and it still says not found
[04:51] <JStrike> phoenixp3k:  : You might have some luck with WINE
[04:51] <JStrike> Zodiac : Do you have Universe and Multiverse enabled?
[04:51] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: make uninstall might work
[04:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> carl er..jwz
[04:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 nah tried that. :(
[04:51] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: but there is a reason to not to d that to begi nwith
[04:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> i also erased everything in /usr/local lib and bin
[04:51] <Zodiac> No I dont think I do
[04:52] <bob2> sutabi: install libglib2.0-dev
[04:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 tell me about it.
[04:52] <bob2> sutabi: and build-essential
[04:52] <sutabi> bob2, ~_~ ouch no wonder lol thankjs
[04:53] <refuze2looze> what are some things ubuntu is better than debain?
[04:53] <phoenixp3k> JStrike Is it available in "universe"
[04:53] <bassplayer> CarlK ?
[04:53] <JStrike> refuze2looze : Newer version of Gnome, sudo
[04:53] <refuze2looze> JStrike: but debian has a root account
[04:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2  actually make uninstall did seem to work.
[04:54] <sutabi> refuze2looze, easier to install?
[04:54] <JStrike> phoenixp3k : Universe or multuiverse
[04:54] <bob2> refuze2looze: that's such a minr difference it's not even worth thinking about
[04:54] <Zodiac> I have this one and I do not see it
[04:54] <Zodiac> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[04:54] <JStrike> refuze2looze : Yes. Ubuntu doesn't. That is one of the reasons that it is better
[04:54] <CarlK> BROKEN_LADDER - no, but there is #dna or dna-lounge
[04:54] <bassplayer> CarlK - it doesnt move ?
[04:54] <phoenixp3k> JStrike, thanks found it.
[04:55] <JStrike> Zodiac : No. That is backports
[04:55] <Zodiac> I see
[04:55] <refuze2looze> JStrike: i understand but you can do about the same as "sudo" with "su -c" only you need a seprate root account. i don't think there's a big difference
[04:55] <Zodiac> Well no other one was listed on that page... where can I get the "universe" "multiverse" one
[04:56] <CarlK> bassplayer - still no mouse.  just plugged it into an XP box, nothing... starting to wonder about it
[04:56] <Hackmo> How can I watch wmv files?
[04:56] <JStrike> refuze2looze : No, it isn't a big thing. But it is nice. And as I said, it has a new version of Gnome
[04:56] <JStrike> Zodiac : deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[04:56] <Zodiac> excellent
[04:57] <JStrike> Zodiac : Or warty or breezy. Depends on your version of Ubuntu
[04:57] <refuze2looze> JStrike: can't it easily be upgraded with synaptic though?
[04:57] <bassplayer> hmmm..... can you explain me how to configure the mouse in the xorg ?.... maybe i have to change it, maybe it in auto, but i dont know how ..
[04:57] <Hackmo> Does anyone know how to play wmv files?
[04:57] <bob2> Hackmo: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:57] <bob2> Hackmo: no need to repeat after a mere 70 seconds
[04:57] <JStrike> refuze2looze : Cant what be upgraded?
[04:57] <Hackmo> thanks
[04:58] <refuze2looze> GNOME
[04:58] <Zodiac> ugh ...
[04:58] <Zodiac> Depends: libid3tag0 (>=0.15.0b) but it is not installable
[04:58] <Zodiac>  Depends: libmad0 (>=0.15.1b) but it is not installable
[04:58] <Zodiac> Wonderful
[04:58] <JStrike> refuze2looze : What version of gnome is in debian?
[04:58] <Zodiac> What the heck does that mean?
[04:58] <bob2> refuze2looze: only Debian experimental has gnome 2.10
[04:59] <JStrike> Zodiac : If you have Universe and Multiverse (ANd you have reloaded your sources) that shouldn't happen
[04:59] <refuze2looze> jstrike: dunno, i use ubuntu actually
[04:59] <fazer> CarlK: so, what do you think could be the problem
[04:59] <Zodiac> Which one did you give me?
[04:59] <fazer> CarlK: or am I just imagingin that my system is running slow
[04:59] <refuze2looze> just wanted to hear some opinions
[04:59] <JStrike> Zodiac : I gave you both. Did you update your sources?
[04:59] <fazer> crimsun: I also tried that hdparm thing, doesn't do much.
[04:59] <Zodiac> yea I did
[04:59] <CarlK> fazer - I couldn't find your drive on http://www.fcpa.fujitsu.com/search/search.php
[04:59] <Zodiac> ohhh
[05:00] <fazer> CarlK: Strange.
[05:00] <bassplayer> Carl _
[05:00] <Zodiac> it says "non-free"
[05:00] <bassplayer> ?
[05:00] <Zodiac> Do I have to pay?
[05:00] <CarlK> fazer - my guess is the old one was "faster"
[05:00] <caonex> I am running firefox with broadband and it seems to be running ver slow, something very unusual. May this be a bug is there any configuration that needs to be done?
[05:00] <novaflare> lmao this is funny and anoying at the same time
[05:00] <JStrike> Zodiac : No
[05:00] <Zodiac> hmm
[05:00] <novaflare> i got a folder that i can not delete at all
[05:00] <JStrike> Zodiac : Non free as in Speach
[05:00] <Zodiac> What the hey?
[05:00] <fazer> CarlK: that's odd, since I dual boot with this hard drive and while booting XP, the hard drive stays quiet.
[05:00] <bassplayer> CarlK - lets configure the xorg ?
[05:00] <novaflare> i dont have permision to moddifi its parent folder ....
[05:01] <fazer> CarlK: XP seems to run nicely but not Ubuntu though
[05:01] <bob2> novaflare: how did you create it?
[05:01] <novaflare> beats the hell out of me
[05:01] <JStrike> Zodiac : It is not free, as in "free speech"
[05:01] <novaflare> whats the command to use sudo to delete a file or folder through a terminal?
[05:01] <xyzx> How can I change my hostname/domain ?
[05:01] <Zodiac> So why is this not working?
[05:01] <JStrike> novaflare: rm
[05:01] <Zodiac> Any idears?
[05:01] <novaflare> ty
[05:01] <CarlK> bassplayer - k, let me dig around...
[05:03] <fazer> CarlK: what were you looking for in fujitsu's website?
[05:03] <Hackmo> bob2: I followed what it said on the wiki but when I try to view it in mplayer it only plays the sound
[05:04] <Hackmo> bob2: I get the error "Cannot find codec matching selected -vo and video format ox33564D57"
[05:04] <FlyingSquirrel32> Having trouble installing mythtv...
[05:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh boy
[05:04] <sutabi> if I stick a cat5 cord into another ubuntu computer will I be abke to access its hardrive and etc?
[05:04] <caonex> xyzx, type hostname followed by the new hostname
[05:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> been there done that
[05:05] <FlyingSquirrel32> Setting up mythtv-database (0.17-3) ...
[05:05] <FlyingSquirrel32> Failed to connect to database: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: YES) at -e line 5, <> line 1.
[05:05] <caonex> xyzx, you can also edit /etc/hostname i believe
[05:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> my old room mate is an intel supergenius and had trouble with mythtv.
[05:05] <xyzx> caonex, thanks
[05:05] <caonex> xyzx, now wait
[05:06] <FlyingSquirrel32> sutabi, check out www.ubuntuguide.org and look at the section on "SSH"
[05:06] <caonex> xyzx, do not forget to include that hostname into the /etc/hosts
[05:06] <caonex> xyzx, if you fail to include it in the /etc/hosts you may have some difficulties while loading X and any other programs
[05:06] <FlyingSquirrel32> BROKEN_LADDER, should I add a user to mysql so it can work???
[05:06] <caonex> xyzx, understand?
[05:07] <FlyingSquirrel32> BROKEN_LADDER, I already installed tvtime, it works nice, but no sound.
[05:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> FlyingSquirrel32 i never tried to set it up.  my former roomie did.
[05:07] <FlyingSquirrel32> BROKEN_LADDER, not sure if its the program or the drivers, but the drivers were already installed...
[05:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> i honestly have never toyed with it.
[05:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> i wish i could help.
[05:08] <FlyingSquirrel32> BROKEN_LADDER, do you know of any other software like it that's good?
[05:09] <caonex> xyzx, are you still there?
[05:09] <raz> MP3 could't play. Installed codecs, MPlayer & VLC: File plays, but no sound. Sounds are working in the GUI. Any ideas?
[05:09] <xyzx> caonex, I did as you said thanks alot
[05:09] <caonex> xyzx, /etc/hosts as well?
[05:10] <bob2> raz: define "couldn't play"
[05:10] <CarlK> bassplayer - k, im starting to hack my xorg.conf...
[05:10] <caonex> xyzx, just making sure ;)
[05:10] <Hackmo> night all
[05:10] <bassplayer> what ?
[05:10] <bassplayer> well
[05:11] <bassplayer> can you tell me how do i get there
[05:11] <bassplayer> please
[05:11] <novaflare> well im off for night
[05:11] <benplaut> g'night novaflare
[05:11] <raz> bob2, "File plays, but no sound."
[05:11] <kroc> and thats only Pi to the 25th
[05:11] <bassplayer> ?
[05:11] <bob2> raz: dude, I'm not being a smatass
[05:11] <refuze2looze> anybody know a simple program to convert divx/xvid/avi to DVD Mpeg2?
[05:12] <bob2> raz: in what program does it not play? does it work if you kill esd? have you unmuted the channels?
[05:12] <raz> bob2, nothing is muted, sounds are working in the OS, no sounds coming out of Totem, Mplayer & VLC. - What's ESD?
[05:13] <sutabi> I am never going back to mandrake again
[05:13] <crimsun> raz: what happens when you use mplayer -ao esd foo ?
[05:14] <bassplayer> CarlK ?
[05:14] <ohgood> ello ubuntus
[05:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> FlyingSquirrel32 mythtv is the stuff.  keep working on it.  i think it's probably worth it.  it's very very good.
[05:15] <revtex> Hey guys, I have a USB hard drive on my system that autoloads when pluged in.. I wanna know how to remove the icon from the desktop or just stop it from placing one on there
[05:15] <raz> Crimsun, i just wrote that in the "run application", clicked RUN.. Nothing seems to have changed.. BTW, my XMMS is "frozen", how do i "kill" it?
[05:15] <bob2> raz: no, writ it a terminal, not in run application
[05:16] <trinidad> help
[05:16] <trinidad> i updated via ubuntu update manager and now i have no sound
[05:16] <trinidad> device manager sees my sound card and so does lspci
[05:16] <trinidad> ive run alsamixer but get the following error
[05:16] <trinidad> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[05:17] <IIIEars_> raz in a terminal ps -e will giv you processes. kill is the right command
[05:17] <bassplayer> CarlK ? have the solution ?
[05:17] <revtex> raz, xkill
[05:18] <crimsun> trinidad: please paste the output of lspci -v onto http://pastebin.com
[05:18] <trinidad> will do crimsun
[05:18] <trinidad> brb
[05:19] <bassplayer> Carl - I saw the xorg.conf file, and it say on the mouse section that the protocol is "ImPS/2"
[05:19] <IIIEars_> hm - had good luck with the inelegant kill -9 <name>
[05:19] <trinidad> crimsun: okay all there
[05:19] <amonkey> what is the best way to put a profile (the folder) into a new install (synaptic) of thunderbird? i tried just coping it and changing the ini file but thunderbird didn't like it
[05:19] <bassplayer> it need to be serial.... or not ?
[05:20] <bassplayer> how can it be changed ?
[05:20] <TheDeathArt> hi, is it possible to STYLE ubuntu ? because http://www.thedeathart.dk/upload/grimt.png <- thats what i call ugly
[05:20] <bassplayer> Carl _
[05:20] <CarlK> bassplayer - I just added 4 lines... restarting X, will need about 30 secons
[05:20] <bassplayer> ok
[05:20] <revtex> /whois
[05:21] <rommer> TheDeathArt: check out www.gnome-look.org
[05:21] <crimsun> trinidad: now, amixer
[05:21] <crimsun> trinidad: (to pastebin)
[05:21] <trinidad> ok be back in a sec
[05:21] <TheDeathArt> now we are talking :D thats better, thx for the link
[05:21] <CarlK> bassplayer - well, I still have no serial mouse, but this should be it: http://audio.foxshare.net:8888/26
[05:22] <raz> crimsun, here's what i get for "mplayer -ao esd foo" in a terminal:
[05:22] <raz> Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied
[05:22] <raz> Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts.
[05:22] <trinidad> crimsun: okay all there
[05:22] <crimsun> raz: that's not the error. Use pastebin.com for the real flood.
[05:22] <fazer> crimsun: anything you might suggest?
[05:22] <TheDeathArt> a question then, how do i unpack the tar.gz with admin rights ?
[05:22] <crimsun> fazer: I don't know your issue.
[05:22] <bassplayer> ???????/
[05:23] <crimsun> TheDeathArt: preface w/ sudo
[05:23] <bassplayer> i didnt got that CarlK
[05:23] <trinidad> crimsun: >>>amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device
[05:23] <TheDeathArt> huh ?
[05:23] <trinidad> posted on pastebin
[05:23] <crimsun> trinidad: lsmod|grep ^snd_emu10k1
[05:23] <fazer> crimsun: the RPMs on both the laptop hard drives is the same.
[05:24] <TheDeathArt> iknow sudo, but the packet maneger don't use admin priv.
[05:24] <fazer> crimsun: I also played a little with hdparm but I don't think that really does much.
[05:24] <trinidad> crimsun: okay done
[05:24] <trinidad> crimsun: what's next
[05:24] <ohgood> fazer: sure it does
[05:24] <crimsun> fazer: I'm sorry, but I don't know your issue. Perhaps someone else here does.
[05:24] <fazer> crimsun: oh okay
[05:24] <ohgood> fazer: it makes stuffs _fast_ again :)
[05:24] <fazer> ohgood: ...well, not for me apparently.
[05:25] <ohgood> fazer: hdparm -i /dev/hda         or whatever
[05:25] <crimsun> trinidad: you didn't tell me the output from it
[05:25] <fazer> ohgood: Yes, and?
[05:25] <bassplayer> CarlK - does it work ?
[05:25] <trinidad> no output
[05:25] <fazer> ohgood: I followed a tutorial on hdparm
[05:25] <trinidad> i ran lsmod and found emu10k1_gp
[05:25] <ohgood> fazer: hdparm -tT /dev/hda           and see what default is
[05:25] <trinidad> the command you typed came back with nothing
[05:25] <ohgood> fazer: change a few settings , then try again
[05:25] <fazer> ohgood: Yeah, default in a -tT ?
[05:25] <fazer> ohgood: That is just used for testing I guess
[05:26] <ohgood> fazer: yes
[05:26] <TheDeathArt> hmm, somethings missing :]  a howTO install the themes :)
[05:26] <crimsun> trinidad: sudo modprobe snd-emu10k1
[05:26] <ohgood> fazer: i'll assume the system was setup correctly, and your chipset stuffs were compiled into the kernel.. so things should be snappy
[05:27] <TheDeathArt> could anybody tell how to do that ?
[05:27] <fazer> ohgood: Hmm? I just installed the new hard drive in my laptop, ran the same setup as I did with the old, that was that.
[05:27] <CarlK> bassplayer - not working, but I have to wonder about this mouse
[05:27] <trinidad> crimsun: okay its in pastebin
[05:27] <ohgood> fazer: what is the output of the test ?
[05:27] <fazer> ohgood: hmm, hdparm -i shows this some place; MultSect=off
[05:27] <bassplayer> do you reccomend that i put that on my conf ???
[05:27] <CarlK> bassplayer - yes.
[05:28] <ohgood> fazer: i'm in #flood, by the way ;)
[05:28] <bassplayer> and waht exactly i have to change ?
[05:28] <fazer> ohgood: awesome.
[05:28] <crimsun> trinidad: I don't see it. Did you paste as "anonymous"?
[05:28] <trinidad> so sorry
[05:28] <CarlK> bassplayer one other line: Option          "CorePointer"
[05:28] <trinidad> try that again
[05:28] <trinidad> its under trinidad
[05:29] <crimsun> trinidad: I need dmesg output there, too
[05:29] <CarlK> bassplayer - sorry to keep you hanging so long... I was hoping to have mine working a bit quicker
[05:29] <bassplayer> ok, dont worry..... but can you explain me how to configure that ?
[05:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> what does it mean if dpkg -l spits out a line beginning with rc?
[05:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> rc  qjackctl       0.2.12-1       User interface for controlling the JACK soun
[05:30] <bassplayer> that line is already there !
[05:30] <CarlK> bassplayer - cut/paste those lines into xorg.conf, restart X
[05:30] <trinidad> crimsun: okay its there
[05:30] <bassplayer> ok
[05:30] <CarlK> bassplayer - http://audio.foxshare.net:8888/27 (extra line added)
[05:31] <raz> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/289889
[05:31] <crimsun> trinidad: it seems you have conflicting ALSA module versions loaded/installed
[05:32] <trinidad> crimsun:  how to uninstall the reload?
[05:32] <trinidad> *then reload
[05:32] <crimsun> raz: "foo" is a placeholder. Substitute a real filename.
[05:32] <raz> heh, kay.
[05:32] <crimsun> trinidad: did you compile ALSA manually?
[05:32] <trinidad> should I uninstall all packages from Synaptic that start with Alsa
[05:32] <trinidad> no
[05:33] <trinidad> but i did an update with universe and multiverse
[05:33] <trinidad> i think that is where the trouble began
[05:33] <crimsun> did you dist-update from Warty?
[05:33] <trinidad> yes
[05:33] <crimsun> hmm
[05:33] <raz> crimsun, do i have to give the full path and the extension of the file?
[05:34] <crimsun> raz: no, but the path must be valid
[05:34] <odimambo> I can' startx X, help?
[05:34] <odimambo> IM me
[05:34] <trinidad> crimsun:  Warty .... NO .....Hoary, yes
[05:34] <raz> crimsun, ok, its running.. says Starting playback, runs.. no sound tho.
[05:34] <crimsun> trinidad: lsmod to pastebin
[05:34] <crimsun> raz: amixer output to pastebin
[05:35] <raz> crimsun, roger that
[05:35] <trinidad> crimsun: okay all there
[05:35] <raz> crimsun,  uhm, wait, what do you mean by 'amixer output'? copy/paste to pastebin?
[05:36] <trinidad> raz: use pastebin.com to paste the output of amixer
[05:36] <netoster> could somebody tell me whats the extension of music files ?
[05:36] <odimambo> Could someone help ?
[05:36] <trinidad> odimambo
[05:36] <trinidad> let me try to help
[05:36] <trinidad> where are you stuck
[05:36] <crimsun> trinidad: unload all sound drivers
[05:36] <Burgundavia> netoster, what sort? mp3 is mp3, Ogg vorbis is .ogg
[05:37] <trinidad> crimsun:  what's the command
[05:37] <trinidad> or just uninstall
[05:37] <crimsun> trinidad: sudo invoke-rc.d alsa force-reload
[05:37] <netoster> Burgundavia, mp3 is mp3, oh ok thanks
[05:37] <TheDeathArt> can i make the desktop icons smaller ?
[05:37] <CarlK> BROKEN_LADDER - #dnalounge irc.dnalounge.com
[05:37] <netoster> thats what i wanted to know :)
[05:38] <trinidad> okay
[05:38] <CarlK> BROKEN_LADDER - not that anyone is awake, but figured you might like to know
[05:38] <trinidad> crimsun:  okay
[05:38] <CarlK> BROKEN_LADDER - I grew up in San Jose, moved to Chicago a few years ago
[05:38] <trinidad> need the output?
[05:38] <crimsun> trinidad: only if it fails.
[05:39] <CarlK> bassplayer - you figure out how to get those lines into xorg.conf?
[05:39] <trinidad> crimsun:  It did.  output is in pastebin
[05:39] <netoster> what can i use to download some mp3 ?
[05:39] <amonkey> in hoary, why does ctrl-alt-backspace not take me back to the graphical login page, like it did with warty, and just drop me into a console?
[05:39] <crimsun> trinidad: what cpu do you have?
[05:40] <trinidad> athlon xp 2200
[05:40] <crimsun> trinidad: sudo aptitude install linux-k7
[05:40] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, shouldn't
[05:40] <bassplayer> CarlK - hmmm.... i dont know how to paste those lines in the xorg.conf
[05:40] <crimsun> trinidad: after that finishes, reboot
[05:40] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, sorry, wrong person
[05:40] <netoster> what can i use to download some mp3 ?
[05:40] <trinidad> okay ill be right back
[05:40] <hajiki> is libswf what i want to get flash support in firefox?
[05:41] <CarlK> bassplayer - sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf, /mouse(enter) to fund the current mouse section, "i" for insert, ... and to paste without a mouse... um...
[05:41] <CarlK> bassplayer - may need to start typing
[05:42] <raz> crimsun,  stopped it w/ ctrl+c after a couple of secs.. but here: http://pastebin.com/289899
[05:42] <bassplayer> ok
[05:42] <rixth> What package do I need to allow File Roller to support rars? unrar doesn't work, nor does unrar-nonfree
[05:42] <trinidad> crimsun:  Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporariliy unavailable)
[05:43] <bassplayer> but i need to log as root ?
[05:43] <crimsun> raz: ok, so mplayer works with esd.
[05:43] <netoster> what can i use to download some mp3??
[05:43] <trinidad> crimsun:  Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg), is another process using it?
[05:43] <crimsun> raz: do you hear anything?
[05:43] <rixth> netoster, get aMule.
[05:43] <crimsun> trinidad: kill anything using it.
[05:43] <netoster> aMule, ok..but is there something like limewire?
[05:44] <rixth> netoster, you need to add multiverse and univer to your repositories, however. May as well add restriced while your there.
[05:44] <raz> crimsun, nope, nothing.
[05:44] <crimsun> raz: did you paste your amixer output?
[05:44] <rixth> netoster, aMule is many times better than Limewire (www.slyck.com) but I think there is a limewire package for Ubuntu, apt-cache search limewire
[05:46] <raz> crimsun, never mind my stupidity, it does run from the Terminal with that cmd. I'll try w/o the Terminal.
[05:46] <crimsun> raz: but can you hear anything?
[05:46] <CarlK> BROKEN_LADDER - #dnalounge irc.dnalounge.com - everone woke up and someone wants to help you
[05:47] <raz> crimsun, yes, absolutely.
[05:47] <crimsun> raz: ok, so it does work? ok.
[05:47] <odimambo> I can't start X, the message :
[05:47] <odimambo> An error occurred while loading or saving
[05:47] <odimambo> configuration information for gnome_segV. Some of
[05:47] <odimambo> your configuration setting may not work properly..Could help ?
[05:48] <raz> crimsun, on a totally unrelated topic.. is there a way to disable the little animation ubuntu performs when you minimize windows?
[05:48] <miss_jade> hey
[05:48] <miss_jade> everyone!
[05:48] <miss_jade> howz it going?
[05:48] <dabaSlon> wassup
[05:48] <dabaSlon> anyhow.
[05:48] <crimsun> seems like a window manager option
[05:48] <dabaSlon> raz, yes there is.
[05:48] <miss_jade> hey dabaslon
[05:48] <dabaSlon> the little squares?
[05:49] <miss_jade> hey crimsun
[05:50] <raz> dabaSlon,  hint? :) - not in windows manager
[05:50] <_shittydog> thats nice
[05:50] <dabaSlon> raz, Apps>Sys Tools>Conf Editor>Apps>Metacity>General>Reduced Resources.
[05:50] <dabaSlon> theres your hint:)
[05:50] <rixth> !fat32
[05:51] <dabaSlon> yes, very fat.
[05:51] <gnix_oag> 
[05:51] <trinidad> crimsun: you still here?
[05:51] <dabaSlon> so, miss_jade, have anything else to say except hi?
[05:52] <rixth> I'm actually trying to find out how to mount a fat32 drive so that a normal user and write to it.
[05:52] <amonkey> how can i import a profile folder in thunderbird?
[05:52] <crimsun> miss_jade: hi.
[05:52] <gnix_oag> 
[05:52] <crimsun> trinidad: yes, what's up?
[05:52] <trinidad> crimsun:  you have been quite a wonderful help, thank you so much for your time and patience
[05:52] <_shittydog> nalioth is pregnant
[05:52] <trinidad> crimsun:  everything is up and running fine now
[05:52] <dabaSlon> #ubuntu-zh is it?
[05:52] <_shittydog> congratulations
[05:52] <dabaSlon> shittydog, what?
[05:52] <dabaSlon> :)
[05:53] <dabaSlon> I said shitty...:)
[05:53] <raz> dabaSlon, thanky!
[05:53] <trinidad> crimsun:  any recommendations for a school that would teach me some basics of linux or similar knowledge to what you know that just fixed my machine?
[05:53] <dabaSlon> yeah, whatever...
[05:53] <dabaSlon> :)
[05:53] <_shittydog> nalioth found out that she is pregnant today, i was just saying congrats
[05:53] <nalioth> trinidad: www.tldp.org to start
[05:53] <dabaSlon> Hey I found out that my ex is pregnant with someone else than me:)
[05:53] <_shittydog> ha ha
[05:54] <trinidad> nalioth, congratulations and thank you....i have a 10 month old boy and boy what a joy it is!
[05:54] <trinidad> ;)
[05:54] <dabaSlon> I swear. I was totally scared it was mine, anyhow, not as happy a story...:-p
[05:54] <WebWiz> hey, i am trying to write a simple ruby/gtk program with Horay, and i installed ruby1.8 and libgtk2-ruby
[05:54] <_shittydog> everyone be sure to congratulate nalioth sometime tonight on being pregnant
[05:54] <WebWiz> but when i type require 'gtk' in irb it blows up
[05:55] <WebWiz> anybody here use ruby?
[05:56] <_shittydog> how do we feel about windows?
[05:56] <bassplayer> CarlK - there is no "tty00" file on the dev folder !!! does that affect ?
[05:56] <mattlins> I have a program that tells me to run it from the Source Tree.  What is that and how do I do it?
[05:56] <CarlK> bassplayer, how about tty01 ?
[05:56] <bassplayer> hmm..let me see
[05:57] <CarlK> bassplayer - er, tty0
[05:57] <bassplayer> oh
[05:57] <bassplayer> ok
[05:57] <synd> how much ram should i have hoary running on
[05:57] <trinidad> crimsun:  are you still here?
[05:58] <trinidad> THANK YOU
[05:58] <synd> i got 512MB, it almost seems like its not enough.
[05:58] <allyn> synd you use gno,e?
[05:58] <CarlK> synd - less than 128 hurts,
[05:59] <synd> CarlK: i figured..
[06:00] <_mr_wheeler> good morning everyone
[06:00] <synd> CarlK: i got gnome running on a p3 1Ghz with 256MB and a 1.7GHz celeron with 512MB, but i really see no difference between them
[06:00] <rixth> How cvan I see what aplications are using a filesystem? I can't umount it.
[06:01] <CarlK> synd - yeah, more is nice, but 128 seems to be the "need"
[06:01] <_mr_wheeler> nalioth are you there
[06:01] <timeless_> anyones how to install crossover.tar.gz
[06:01] <timeless_> when i try to extract it says unable t open
[06:01] <zenrox> i had ubuntu running on a 450mhz celron 64mbs of ram
[06:02] <synd> zenrox: i have it running on a p3 600mhz 128MB, and it runs decent
[06:02] <_mr_wheeler> nalioth you set up this computer...i need to know how much RA i have on this machine
[06:02] <zenrox> synd,  so did mine with gnome
[06:03] <nalioth> _mr_wheeler: 356mb
[06:03] <synd> zenrox: seems that xfce runs a bit better tho..
[06:03] <synd> zenrox: or fluxbox
[06:03] <_mr_wheeler> is that a better name?
[06:03] <zenrox> yep xfce did
[06:03] <zenrox> i am running it on a celron 2ghz 512mbs ddr
[06:03] <zenrox> right now
[06:03] <rj`> some new updates in breezy -- whats with the ubuntu-standard ubuntu-minimal packages? are those new meta-packagas?
[06:03] <rixth> What is gam_serve?
[06:04] <bassplayer> CarlK - do i have to save it or something ?
[06:04] <synd> im on a celeron 1.7ghz 512mb DDR
[06:04] <synd> emachine :D
[06:04] <zenrox> emachine too
[06:04] <rj`> atholon xp 2000+ 1.2ghz 512mb DDR
[06:04] <_mr_wheeler> i d/k what to talk about so i will just listen and wait for my wife to appear
[06:04] <synd> paid 300$ for this.. 4 years ago
[06:04] <rj`> emachine also
[06:04] <rj`> :)
[06:04] <zenrox> but with an upgraded mobo
[06:04] <rj`> :(
[06:04] <synd> boo!
[06:05] <synd> i really wish i didnt trash this old 1.3Ghz athlon..
[06:05] <synd> i figured it was useless
[06:05] <IcemanV9> mine runs on 128Mb hp duron 800MHz w/ xfce4
[06:05] <bassplayer> Carlk - how do i save it ?
[06:06] <synd> then a week later i discover a little thing called linux and ubuntu
[06:06] <CarlK> bassplayer escape:wq
[06:06] <_mr_wheeler> amd duron 1800 mhz 20Gb drive 356mb RAM
[06:06] <bassplayer> just exit ?
[06:06] <CarlK> bassplayer er, no esc
[06:06] <bassplayer> so ?
[06:06] <bassplayer> how ?
[06:06] <synd> can it run on Xeons?
[06:06] <cafuego> 1.5GB 1.8GHz AMD64
[06:06] <CarlK> bassplayer ":" = command, w=write, q=quit
[06:06] <cafuego> synd: yep
[06:06] <synd> i may yak a xeon from work tomorrow..
[06:07] <CarlK> bassplayer :wq<enter>
[06:07] <nalioth> synd: yak a couple for the rest of us, also, please
[06:07] <geneo93> yes
[06:07] <cafuego> synd: Xeons are just pentium 3s/pentium 4s.
[06:07] <CarlK> bassplayer - esc gets you out of editing
[06:07] <synd> cafuego: nice
[06:07] <synd> cafuego: i see
[06:07] <synd> nalioth: lol.
[06:07] <geneo93> anyone make xbox version of ubuntu
[06:07] <cafuego> but it does also run happily on (t)itanic
[06:08] <bassplayer> Carlk - and where do i put the :wk ?
[06:08] <CarlK> synd - I may moose a bison from my C class
[06:08] <synd> geneo93: lol
[06:08] <CarlK> bassplayer it will appear at the bottem of the screen
[06:08] <synd> CarlK: come again?
[06:08] <rixth> What package do I need to allow File Roller to support rars? unrar doesn't work, nor does unrar-nonfree
[06:08] <dr_willis> jusr use the command line to unrar stuff :P
[06:08] <bassplayer> CarlK - no, where ?
[06:08] <geneo93> synd:  mandrake has one
[06:08] <CarlK> synd - you were talking of yaks which remided me of bison and C compilers
[06:08] <CarlK> bassplayer - hit Esc first, then :wq
[06:09] <dieman> cafuego: some xeon's are em64t too, though.
[06:09] <|^iceman^|> can anyone tell me if fluxter has the capability to switch desktops by clicking on the panes... or is it just a display?
[06:09] <dieman> cafuego: so they can boot amd64 kernels.
[06:09] <synd> CarlK: ah! "yak" is slang around here for "steal"
[06:09] <cafuego> dieman: Yes, but they're still essentially P4's - not itaniums.
[06:09] <dieman> my fastest amd64 box so far is actually a 3.6ghz p4 :)
[06:09] <dieman> cafuego: ahh, missed that in the scrollback
[06:09] <rixth> synd, it's slang for vommiting here :)
[06:09] <dieman> itanic ick.
[06:09] <dieman> i've got a old itanium 1 around
[06:09] <dieman> its a good space heater.
[06:10] <trey> hello everyone
[06:10] <timeless_> anyones how to install crossover.tar.gz
[06:10] <synd> bah intel
[06:10] <synd> g5 eats everything else
[06:10] <CarlK> synd, yoink!
[06:10] <rixth> It's so funny, the Xbox360 games at e3 were running off g5s.
[06:10] <synd> rixth: here too :D
[06:10] <bassplayer> CarlK - it does'nt let me write!!... where do i write that, do i have to wirte it somewhere ?
[06:10] <rixth> Toobad ther was to AA
[06:10] <rixth> Too bad there was no AA*
[06:11] <synd> rixth: the xbox360 will have 3 3.6Ghz G5s\
[06:11] <ukato> hey everyone
[06:11] <IcemanV9> speaking of intel, Apple are thinking about using Intel for next line of machines - what's up with that?
[06:11] <synd> i mean 3.2
[06:11] <geneo93> cafuego:  stick loads of ram in the thing and use it
[06:11] <CarlK> bassplayer - you should be able to hit : and get a: prompt at the bottem of the screen
[06:11] <synd> three symmetrical cores
[06:11] <synd> IcemanV9: i read about that today
[06:11] <cafuego> synd: Bit sad considering they'll be used to power 640x480 TVs <heh>
[06:11] <nalioth> IcemanV9: its even weirder, the article i read said that there'd be one PPC and one x86 in each box
[06:12] <synd> cafuego: they have HD resoulution standard as well..
[06:12] <cafuego> geneo93: It only caches up to 512Mb ram, has severe issues if I plug in more.
[06:12] <ukato> i have a quick question, if i'm wanting to use a printer on another computer on my network that's running windows, do i have to do anything special to get it to work
[06:12] <ukato> or just double click "new printer"
[06:12] <rixth> synd, it's gonna cost a packet to buy.
[06:12] <bassplayer> ok....right...what wa is...wk ??
[06:12] <cafuego> synd: yes, but most people don't have a HD tv (and won't get one either until the next next xbos is released)
[06:12] <IcemanV9> who would have thunk that Apple would use x86 in our lifetime?!
[06:12] <CarlK> ukato - you need to setuyp the printer on win to be "shared"
[06:13] <synd> cafuego: thats true.
[06:13] <CarlK> bassplayer, wq<enter> for write, quit
[06:13] <cafuego> IcemanV9: Don't read too much into it, it's just the mac winmodems offload to a celeron ;-)
[06:13] <ukato> carlk, well, it's already used by other windows boxes, so it already is, right?
[06:13] <timeless_> how do i install libdvdcss
[06:13] <CarlK> ukato - yup, you are good to go. new printer, network, \\server\share ...
[06:13] <ukato> yess
[06:13] <geneo93> yes
[06:13] <ukato> so easy
[06:14] <cafuego> Time to rip teh guts out of this machine
[06:14] <ukato> okay, so i want to use samba, right?
[06:14] <nalioth> IcemanV9: the article speculated, that if Apple released an optimized for itanium build of OS<whatever>, it'd cut down on piracy (on reg'lar ol' pentiums)
[06:14] <bassplayer> CarlK - it gave me an error "1 more file to edit" !
[06:14] <synd> damn. the xbox360 will have 3 symmetrical cores running at 3.2GHz each (G5), 512MB of 700mhz gddr3 ram
[06:14] <synd> i bet it could run ubuntu jsut fine : D
[06:15] <timeless_> ps3 is using a cell chip
[06:15] <timeless_> 4 hz
[06:15] <ukato> SMB means samba, right
[06:15] <timeless_> 4 ghz
[06:15] <synd> timeless_: ps3 is supposedly going to be a much faster machine
[06:15] <IcemanV9> nalioth: yea. i'm sure everyone is watching their move nowaday ;)
[06:15] <geneo93> the ps2 could run linux
[06:15] <bassplayer> CarlK - it gave me an error "1 more file to edit" !?
[06:16] <CarlK> bassplayer, um..
[06:16] <synd> ive seen OS X on an xbox
[06:16] <CarlK> bassplayer - :q (no write, just quit)
[06:16] <nalioth> timeless_: i'm waiting for the linux kit for ps3 to arrive
[06:17] <bassplayer> CarlK - and thats ok ???
[06:17] <lukyky> what is a good downloading program
[06:17] <CarlK> bassplayer - any idea what file it is trying to edit?
[06:17] <synd> lukyky: torrent
[06:17] <nalioth> lukyky: prozilla, wget, curl
[06:17] <nalioth> lukyky: yes, bittorrent
[06:18] <lukyky> ok thanks heaps
[06:18] <nalioth> lukyky: depends on what you want to d/l
[06:18] <geneo93> nalioth:  i dont see sony doing it
[06:18] <synd> nalioth: the hell is pozilla and curl?
[06:18] <bassplayer> CarlK - i make the ":wk" again and it worked !!!
[06:18] <nalioth> geneo93: why wouldnt they? linux on a cell chip? i'd buy it
[06:18] <CarlK> bassplayer - cross your fingers and hit Ctrl-Alt-BackSpace
[06:19] <mattlins> How do I watch dvds in  ubuntu?
[06:19] <CarlK> and then wonder why you are at a loging prompt
[06:19] <geneo93> konqueror is the best d/ler i have ever used
[06:19] <nalioth> synd: prozilla is a brute force downloader (uses multiple streams) and curl is a less brute downloader (scriptable)
[06:19] <synd> mattlins: www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:19] <synd> nalioth: p2p?
[06:19] <synd> -ish
[06:20] <nalioth> synd: p2p? bittorrent, emule, gnutella
[06:20] <CarlK> mattlins http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:20] <nalioth> synd: i only use the torrents
[06:20] <geneo93> mldonkey
[06:20] <dabaSlon> he meant if those programs are similar to p2p...
[06:20] <bassplayer> CarlK - ok, lets see!.... thanks a lot Carl, i'll be here in a moment.... maybe sad, or maybe happy
[06:21] <CarlK> ill be here
[06:21] <bassplayer> ok
[06:21] <mattlins> CarlK : thanks
[06:21] <synd> nalioth: ya, i meant what dabaSlon said
[06:21] <synd> nalioth: i see that prozilla is a "download accelerator"
[06:21] <nalioth> curl, proz and wget are for ftp, http d/l
[06:22] <nalioth> synd: that is a misnomer, it doesnt accelerate anything
[06:22] <synd> nalioth: i always thought "download accelerators" gimmick
[06:22] <synd> as a gimmick*
[06:22] <nalioth> synd: it uses as many streams as you want to use to download the file
[06:22] <synd> i supposed it runs along side mozilla?
[06:22] <dabaSlon> wow...thats pretty cool. if it means what I think it does...and, it does, since I read minds...
[06:22] <synd> -d
[06:23] <nalioth> synd: i've d/l 700mb ISO images in 20 minutes with proz (for me that is very fast, don't tell me if you have an oc12 or something, ok?)
[06:23] <synd> "..don't tell me if you have an oc12 or something, ok?"
[06:23] <synd> ?
[06:24] <nalioth> synd: some of these users are on a lot faster connection than I
[06:24] <synd> oh, well im sure
[06:24] <nalioth> synd: i didnt want to hear anyone coming back with "i can d/l a cd images in 2 minutes" or other grandstanding
[06:24] <synd> i average about 150-165kbs download
[06:25] <nalioth> synd, proz uses a user selectable number of streams
[06:25] <synd> should i try it out?
[06:25] <nalioth> synd: if you need something fast, and care not about your email or surfing while it d/l, you can select 20 streams (or some other wild number) and get it quick
[06:25] <nalioth> synd: if you regulary d/l large things
[06:26] <ukato> carlk, if you're still there, i just realized the printer driver isn't included with linux
[06:26] <ukato> am i screwed
[06:26] <nalioth> synd: i only use proz for cd or dvd images
[06:26] <sutabi> if I stick a cat5 cord into another ubuntu computer will I be abke to access its hardrive,cpu and etc?
[06:26] <CarlK> ukato - what printer?
[06:26] <nalioth> synd: cuz its brute force overkill for anything less than 100mb in size
[06:26] <ukato> HP OfficeJet 4215xi
[06:26] <dabaSlon> hey, I can download a cd image in like 5 minutes just through normal...:-p;)
[06:26] <timeless_> anyones how to install crossover.tar.gz
[06:26] <synd> nalioth: im thinking about d/l FC3
[06:26] <ukato> and i jsut checked HP's site
[06:26] <dr_willis> sutabi,  for a network to network conection with just a cable - you need  crossover cable.
[06:26] <synd> and its 3cds i tink
[06:27] <ukato> and a driver for linux isn't listed
[06:27] <dr_willis> sutabi,  or normal cables and a hub.
[06:27] <geneo93> gtg l8rs
[06:27] <nalioth> synd: go for it
[06:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there a way to apt-get install something such that it recursively goes through and makes sure to reinstall every dependency?
[06:27] <nalioth> synd: proz is in the repos
[06:27] <synd> so prozilla will help out?
[06:27] <CarlK> ukato - bah...  i bet there is one that will work
[06:27] <nalioth> synd: and its easy to use (even has a gui, if you're a weak-sister)
[06:27] <CarlK> BROKEN_LADDER - thats what apt does
[06:28] <ukato> carlk, so trial and error them?
[06:28] <nalioth> synd: prozgui is the name of it
[06:28] <sutabi> dr_willis, normal cables?
[06:28] <sutabi> like usb?
[06:28] <nalioth> synd: and if you want to see the brute power, use 10 streams
[06:28] <dr_willis> sutabi,  hmm.. network cables  :P
[06:29] <CarlK> ukato - hang on.. looking for a linuxprinter site...
[06:29] <synd> nalioth: i should also get prozilla from the repos too, right?
[06:29] <ukato> thanks
[06:29] <synd> stupid question
[06:29] <nalioth> synd: prozgui will not install w/o proz
[06:29] <sutabi> but I dont need a hub right? unless I am using  wanting a real newwork?
[06:29] <dr_willis> sutabi,  either use normal network cables and a hub.. or a "crossover' network cable.
[06:30] <sutabi> got ya thanks ^_-
[06:31] <dabaSlon> sutabi, you can only connect two computers through one crossover cable from one NIC to the other, or, using a cat5 cable from one NIC, to switch/hub/router and then from the device to the other NIC.
[06:32] <i3dmaster> /quit
[06:33] <timeless_> is a firewall necessary
[06:34] <timeless_> which program can i use to install microsoft office
[06:35] <CarlK> ukato - I would try this http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_driver.cgi?driver=hpijs
[06:35] <nalioth> timeless_: windoze
[06:35] <Luakagon> hi
[06:35] <nayif> can i use paltalk on ubuntu ?
[06:35] <nayif> hi Luakagon
[06:36] <IcemanV9> timeless_: wine?
[06:37] <timeless_> ok
[06:37] <timeless_> from synaptics
[06:37] <CarlK> timeless_ - why ofice?
[06:38] <dabaSlon> why run that...anyhow, prolly has a reason...
[06:38] <ukato> hm
[06:38] <ukato> ok
[06:38] <timeless_> i am just bored and i am trying to make my notebook cool and try to understand why people love linux over windows as i prepare to take over the world
[06:39] <nalioth> timeless_: save yourself some trouble, and use openoffice
[06:39] <dabaSlon> nice answer...
[06:39] <timeless_> what is open office
[06:39] <duncanjm> timeless_: Taking over the world will be quicker with ubuntu
[06:39] <dabaSlon> :) do you have ubuntu installed?
[06:39] <ukato> carlk, so then, HOST is the computer name, right, printer is the printer's share name, and username and password are for  the windows account?
[06:39] <Madpilot> timeless_: you can't take over the world, Bill Gates won't like that... :)
[06:39] <nalioth> timeless_: a fully office compatible office suite
[06:39] <timeless_> the one that comes with ubuntu
[06:40] <timeless_> however i still didn't get the libdvdcss and i tried the restricted formats page it doesn't work
[06:40] <CarlK> ukato - um... sounds good.
[06:41] <rixth> What package do I need to allow File Roller to support rars? unrar doesn't work, nor does unrar-nonfree
[06:41] <timeless_> the one that comes with ubuntu
[06:41] <timeless_> and sound doesn't work in vlc
[06:41] <ukato> carlk, okay, i'll work on this. thanks for all the help
[06:42] <CarlK> good luck
[06:42] <ukato> thanks again
[06:42] <whyameye_> timeless_: there is an esd plugin for vlc. Are you using that? Anyway I gave up on vlc because sound studdered on it and I couldn't figure out why. I use totem-xine instead
[06:42] <CarlK> it is abot that time.. hope bassplayer gets his mouse working.. much more fun that way
[06:43] <WebWiz> anybdoy here use ruby
[06:44] <dr_willis> rixth,  Hmm.. my fileroller seems to support rar
[06:45] <rixth> dr_willis, ah yes, I need rar AND unrar
[06:45] <TriniTriggs> hey, what do you guys think about using FAT32 (er, VFAT) for a home folder?
[06:46] <dr_willis> rixth,  i just made an rar with it.. and extracted it.
[06:46] <duncanjm> Prolly a useless question: Does ubunto have a live cd version? (you know like knoppix, myth, puppylinux, etc.?)
[06:46] <dr_willis> ive added the extra repositories and installed all the rar related packatges I think.
[06:46] <dr_willis> duncanjm,  yes it does
[06:46] <rixth> duncanjm, Indeed.
[06:46] <sidnei> any serious surgery going on on X packaging on breezy?
[06:46] <whyameye_> anybody here use openVPN?
[06:46] <duncanjm> rixth: From the main ubuntu site?
[06:47] <dr_willis> there even a dvd version thats a live cd. and an isntaller cd.
[06:47] <rixth> duncanjm, yes.
[06:48] <timeless_> no way to play xvid divx and stuff
[06:48] <dr_willis> Hmm im playin divx video's right now :P
[06:48] <dr_willis> and avi's and about anything else ive happendd to download.
[06:48] <duncanjm> Doh, I shoulda checked under Download: InstallCD <-> LiveCD -- OK, now I'll try it at work! :) :)
[06:48] <timeless_> using
[06:48] <whyameye_> dr_willis, what player do you use?
[06:48] <dr_willis> mplayer and xine.
[06:49] <dr_willis> i seem to have some sound issues with some videos and xine/totem. Mplayer seems to work best
[06:49] <whyameye_> dr_willis, I tried to install Mplayer and Synaptic told me there were dependencies that couldn't be met.
[06:49] <timeless_> everytime i open mplayer it says error maybe path is wrong
[06:50] <dr_willis> whyameye_,  perhaps a check of the ubuntuguide.org and the ubuntu wiki's will  help ya out.
[06:50] <saber_> try this out for mplayer: http://apt.cerkinfo.be/
[06:50] <saber_> that's the only place i was able to get transcode going w/o breaking the packaging system
[06:50] <X7C> :( openoffice got stuck and i can't kill the process :(
[06:50] <saber_> (coincidentally, it also has mplayer)
[06:51] <abarbaccia> X7C, you can always kill the process
[06:51] <dr_willis> now transcode - i dont thin ive gotten it working yet. :P
[06:51] <X7C> i wear i can't....
[06:51] <abarbaccia> sudo kill <processID>
[06:51] <duncanjm> X7C: kill -f ?
[06:51] <X7C> haven't tried -f
[06:51] <abarbaccia> duncanjm, i think just as sudo should do it
[06:51] <whyameye_> abarbaccia, dr_willis thanks I will look into this.
[06:51] <nalioth> dr_willis: i had to apt-build my transcode from source
[06:51] <duncanjm> yeah, what abarbaccia said: sudo kill
[06:52] <abarbaccia> anybody up that can help me share a folder, my network isn't playing nice (samba)
[06:52] <timeless_> mplayer not working
[06:52] <X7C> nope.. :(
[06:52] <timeless_> can't play avi
[06:53] <dr_willis> you need the windows codecs also. :P
[06:53] <duncanjm> X7C: You know the process id? (um, comand is 'top' or 'nice').
[06:53] <abarbaccia> timeless_, try ubuntuguide.org and xine - i've never had problems with xine
[06:53] <whyameye_> timeless_, have you downloaded the restricted formats?
[06:53] <timeless_> how do i get that
[06:53] <abarbaccia> timeless_, www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:53] <doug_gg> wow, lots of folks in this channel
[06:53] <timeless_> ok
[06:53] <IcemanV9> X7C: sudo kill -9 <pid>
[06:53] <abarbaccia> its like yoda for ubuntu
[06:54] <X7C>  i did it using the interface thingie
[06:54] <X7C> thanks anyway
[06:54] <nate__> yoda for ubuntu, lol
[06:54] <abarbaccia> ;)
[06:54] <doug_gg> rimind me of the new Star War move
[06:54] <nate__> i haven't seen it yet
[06:54] <abarbaccia> what a great movie
[06:54] <abarbaccia> nate__, see it tonight
[06:54] <abarbaccia> seriously
[06:54] <abarbaccia> its that good
[06:54] <nate__> i heard it wasn't that spectacular, but it was alright
[06:54] <doug_gg> how many of you are running hoary
[06:55] <abarbaccia> almost all of us
[06:55] <abarbaccia> doug_gg, are you considering breezy
[06:55] <doug_gg> i am still in the previous version
[06:55] <doug_gg> what its code name anyway?
[06:55] <abarbaccia> oh, then definitely upgrade
[06:55] <abarbaccia> breezy
[06:55] <doug_gg> no
[06:55] <abarbaccia> but note the topic
[06:55] <abarbaccia> hoary
[06:55] <doug_gg> breezy is the next
[06:55] <abarbaccia> just hoary
[06:55] <rommer> doug_gg: warty
[06:55] <doug_gg> no , before hoary
[06:55] <abarbaccia> oh warty
[06:55] <doug_gg> oh,yes
[06:55] <doug_gg>  thanks
[06:56] <doug_gg> i am still running warty
[06:56] <NeoSadist> can anyone please send me some info or files from /etc/acpid/
[06:56] <IcemanV9> warty -> hoary -> breezy -> ???
[06:56] <X7C> whoary :p
[06:56] <doug_gg> man, i just figure out i cannot mount a audio cd-rom
[06:56] <abarbaccia> doug_gg, you should edit your sources to say hoary and just dist-upgrade
[06:56] <doug_gg> iwill , thanks
[06:56] <abarbaccia> lol
[06:56] <nate__> warty->hoary->breezy->lindowsXP
[06:56] <abarbaccia> but run an apt-get update first!
[06:56] <doug_gg> so, my question is how can i play music cd ?
[06:56] <X7C> !
[06:57] <doug_gg> XMMS cannot understand /dev/hdc1 for example
[06:57] <X7C>  warty->hoary->breezy-> chilly whore
[06:57] <NeoSadist> i'm trying to get some acpid custom stuff working but i accidentally overwrote the originals, need the originals
[06:57] <abarbaccia> doug_gg, with any of the players that are installed. --music is tracks, not files, so dont even think of it that way - its just /dev/hdc
[06:57] <nate__> XMMS is a drunk quadrapeligic crack-baby
[06:57] <abarbaccia> doug_gg, i would first upgrade to hoary (shouldnt take more than 15 min) then just run cdplayer
[06:58] <doug_gg> so, for instance, when i use XMMS, just open /dev/hdc1 instead of /media/cdrom0 ?
[06:58] <nate__> you know you love the crack-baby
[06:58] <nate__> w00t
[06:58] <abarbaccia> no no no
[06:59] <abarbaccia> im saying its just /dev/hdc
[06:59] <abarbaccia> hdc1 means first partition on hdc
[06:59] <nate__> like crack
[06:59] <abarbaccia> which doesnt exist
[06:59] <nate__> hdcrack
[06:59] <X7C> can i make xxms dissapear from the window list panel?
[06:59] <doug_gg> ok
[06:59] <abarbaccia> X7C, yea, uninstall it -- lol
[06:59] <X7C> 
[06:59] <doug_gg> i will upgrade the dist tomorrow
[06:59] <nate__> hansolo does crack
[06:59] <nate__> hdc
[06:59] <abarbaccia> doug_gg, do it tonight
[06:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> sweet jesus CarlK people in #dnalongue are assholes
[06:59] <abarbaccia> just tell it to upgrade
[06:59] <dr_willis> he means not show up in the taskbar listing
[06:59] <dr_willis> :P
[06:59] <abarbaccia> lol - iknow
[06:59] <X7C> :p
[06:59] <doug_gg> man, it will take me another hour
[07:00] <nate__> do crack tonight
[07:00] <nate__> dct
[07:00] <X7C> let's gooooogle
[07:00] <IcemanV9> doug_gg: back up ur important stuff 1st! (never know ... )
[07:00] <timeless_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats doesn't say how to install the codecs
[07:00] <sutabi> How would I set an exacutabe file ot be able to run the command in a terminal with type directory?
[07:00] <doug_gg> yeah, Iceman, good point
[07:00] <timeless_> for xvid divx
[07:00] <nate__> sorry, i'm really stupid tonight
[07:01] <doug_gg> haha... btw , my experience installing Gentoo was a pain in the ass
[07:01] <dr_willis> Gentoo gets easy once you install it about 4 times.
[07:01] <dr_willis> :P
[07:01] <dr_willis> and know some linux FUNdamentals
[07:01] <NeoSadist> hey can someone please send me or paste me some files from /etc/acpi/* ?  i was working on customizing some of the scripts in there but i didn't back up the originals, i'd like to see what someone has as the default mandrake/mandriva event scripts
[07:01] <doug_gg> took me 7 freaking hours just to build the damn X-org
[07:01] <nate__> timeless_, do the part about codecs in this, it got it all workin for me: http://stanton-finley.net/fedora_core_3_installation_notes.html#MPlayer
[07:01] <abarbaccia> doug_gg, well, you shouldnt have to build anything really
[07:02] <timeless_> ok nate ima try
[07:02] <abarbaccia> gentoo is a great distro, just not for first timers
[07:02] <dr_willis> doug_gg,  it pays to use the premade packages for a fast install. then upgrade them :P if you are in that much of a hurry
[07:02] <nate__> i'd like to try gentoo, on a box i don't plan on using for a few months
[07:02] <nate__> i don't have one of those yet, though
[07:02] <doug_gg> oh, yeah, unless you're really pursuaded by Gentoo philosophy, "getting 3-4%" performance
[07:03] <nate__> emerge for days
[07:03] <nate__> w00t!
[07:03] <dr_willis> doug_gg,  i never cafed about that % gain. :P
[07:03] <dr_willis> err.. worried. :P
[07:03] <X7C> nope...
[07:03] <X7C> :(
[07:03] <nate__> anyone know if the portage system resolves dependencies?
[07:03] <X7C> at least on gnome not...
[07:04] <nate__> anyone?
[07:04] <abarbaccia> someones gotta help me - im trying to share a folder on my network, but it refuses to show up - i have samba and smbfs installed
[07:05] <nate__> abarbaccia, my experiences with samba have taught me that sometimes samba simply doesn't work for no apparent reason
[07:05] <doug_gg> i have used Redhat first, then Slackware, then Fedoram then Mandrake, and now Ubuntu
[07:05] <dr_willis> you may need to enable the 'browseable' feature.
[07:05] <dr_willis> all the samba issues ive seen - could be blamed on windows :P
[07:05] <abarbaccia> nate__, but i had it working on my network at school without issues
[07:05] <doug_gg> i think i will stuck with Ubuntu for a long time
[07:05] <abarbaccia> doug_gg, myself as well
[07:05] <dr_willis> ive fought and learned and twiddled with samba quite a bit. :P
[07:05] <nate__> abarbaccia, exactly my point, its freakishly weird
[07:06] <abarbaccia> dr_willis, think you can shed some light onto my situation
[07:06] <nate__> dr_willis, please do
[07:06] <abarbaccia> nate__, it does a lot when it works though
[07:06] <doug_gg> i think Redhat is pretty good, until Redhat ( the company) dropped supporting and move it to Fedora
[07:06] <X7C> can samba work over different subnets ?
[07:06] <nate__> abarbaccia, i have an external hdd with 20 GB, so no real need for samba here
[07:06] <doug_gg> Fedora is really bad, i don't like its memory footprint that much
[07:07] <dr_willis> abarbaccia,  you editing the samba config manually? or  configurign it how?
[07:07] <nate__> redhat/fedora has been poor for a long time, imo
[07:07] <abarbaccia> nate__, i'm trying to share folders on my mythTV box with the rest of my roommates
[07:07] <clay> i used to really love gentoo, but the ports are always way behind its not worth it anymore
[07:07] <abarbaccia> dr_willis, i was just letting the gui handle it
[07:07] <nate__> abarbaccia, oooh, fun :)
[07:07] <nalioth> night all
[07:08] <nate__> abarbaccia, I haven't set up such a thing, my box is pretty minimal, just for programming and playing wolfenstein
[07:08] <abarbaccia> nate__, very - whole DVD movies transcoded to < 2GB streaming over the network!  and MP3's for all!
[07:08] <dr_willis> abarbaccia,  may want to edit the config and enable the 'browseable' option.. the 'useing samba' book is online and worth a read.
[07:08] <doug_gg> anybody know the next release date for breezy?
[07:08] <abarbaccia> october
[07:08] <abarbaccia> nate__, check out www.mythtv.org - its some cool stuff
[07:08] <nate__> abarbaccia, will do
[07:08] <doug_gg> what is that MythTV ?
[07:08] <doug_gg> PC VCR?
[07:09] <IcemanV9> doug_gg: october as in 5.10 :)
[07:09] <dr_willis> yep
[07:09] <abarbaccia> PC VCR is an understatement.  www.mythtv.org
[07:09] <abarbaccia> "multimedia portal"
[07:09] <doug_gg> you mean 05/10/2005
[07:09] <abarbaccia> no
[07:09] <abarbaccia> 10/'05
[07:09] <doug_gg> ok
[07:09] <abarbaccia> october 2005
[07:09] <IcemanV9> actually, breezy 5.10
[07:10] <dr_willis> i was going to make a mythtv box.. but then i found a dvd-recorder/vcr thing :P that was only $230
[07:10] <abarbaccia> dr_willis, i bet my mythtv box does a whole lot more :)
[07:11] <dr_willis> abarbaccia,  the tv tuner card i was going to use was priced at $300 or so i decided to stick with this thing.  it runs decent.
[07:11] <dr_willis> wife allready wants to steal it.
[07:11] <abarbaccia> dr_willis, right now its recording a show, im watching a pre-recorded TV show from yesterday, its ripping a DVD to the hard drive while encoding another to DivX- after its done with that it'll get all the movie info + covers and everything else about the movie, and best of all - its running ubuntu
[07:11] <doug_gg> how eay is it to get MythTV up and running?
[07:11] <abarbaccia> dr_willis, you need high def
[07:11] <nate__> abarbaccia, wow, mythtv is NUTS
[07:11] <nate__> abarbaccia, thats a lot of functionality
[07:11] <dr_willis> abarbaccia,  not really :P
[07:11] <abarbaccia> nate__, indeed - and go to www.asus.com and check out hte pundit case - that's what its running in
[07:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> whenever i run jackd it seg faults.
[07:12] <abarbaccia> dr_willis, what card was $300
[07:12] <timeless_> nate the plugins that they ask for are not in my synaptics
[07:12] <abarbaccia> dr_willis, even the high def ones made strictly for linux uses is only 170
[07:12] <dr_willis> abarbaccia,  the top end haupage one :P
[07:12] <doug_gg> lol, my TV card is Hauppauge, got it for 60 bucks
[07:12] <dr_willis> Actually isent there a usb tuner out now that has linux support.
[07:12] <abarbaccia> doug_gg, bet it doesnt do hardware encoding
[07:12] <dr_willis> i have a $40 haupage card - and it has nasty 'sound' :P
[07:12] <nate__> abarbaccia, tight, do you need a powerful machine for this?
[07:13] <doug_gg> i just use it to watch TV, that's it
[07:13] <JairunCaloth> is there a way to toggle to annother desktop, like a hot key or something
[07:13] <dr_willis> I got a LCD monitor thtas also a tv :P
[07:13] <doug_gg> don't really have time yet to look into more advanced stuff like MythTV
[07:13] <lowlux> im using ubuntu live CD about close to the end of the boot it gets stock at creating user... 63% does any one know how to get past this???? help
[07:13] <abarbaccia> nate__, if you get a tv card that does the encoding to mpeg4 in hardware, rather than letting the CPU do it, no - mines running a celeron D at 2.4 GHz - but people run old PIIIs successfully
[07:13] <JairunCaloth> cause I'm used to being able to alt-tab out of fullscreen stuff but I can't do that under linux
[07:14] <nate__> abarbaccia, tight, what cards do hardware encoding?
[07:14] <nate__> abarbaccia, any relatively inexpensive one you recommend?
[07:14] <abarbaccia> nate__, www.hauppauge.com - for ease of setting up, consider the pvr-250
[07:14] <lowlux> im using ubuntu live CD about close to the end of the boot it gets stuck at creating user... 63% does any one know how to get past this???? help
[07:14] <clay> i want to build a mythtv box with one or two pvr-500s
[07:14] <abarbaccia> nate__, the pvr-150 is still developmental in the drivers, so its not too friendly -
[07:14] <lowlux> or fix it
[07:15] <dr_willis> JairunCaloth,  check the 'keyboard shortcuts' perferances
[07:15] <dieman> its hard to do hdtv with myth, tho
[07:15] <DaveQB-work> what options must you compile in to the kernel to NOT need to make an initrd ?
[07:15] <dieman> you need heavy duty hardware.
[07:15] <doug_gg> abarbaccia, are you one of Ubuntu dev team member?
[07:15] <dieman> most of the time.
[07:15] <abarbaccia> nate__, you can imagine how much my roommates at college love me when they access the pvr over the web and schedule their recordings
[07:15] <abarbaccia> doug_gg, nope - just a college kid who started using linux a few months ago! :)
[07:15] <lowlux> does any one know how to fix this??
[07:16] <abarbaccia> lowlux, did you check the md5sum on the CD?
[07:16] <DaveQB-work> i compiled in ext2/3 and ATA controller and it cant mount the hdd on boot
[07:16] <dieman> like, i've got a semtron 2800+, nforce2 mobo, agp video card, etc and it eats the whole machine just about.
[07:16] <sutabi> if I prevented hotplug from loading, whould that be the reason why my Ethernet\USB stuff dont work?
[07:16] <nate__> abarbaccia, i'd like to set one up, but $150 is too much for me right now
[07:16] <lowlux> what is the md5sum
[07:16] <doug_gg> ok, nite averybody, talk you later
[07:16] <nate__> abarbaccia, the 150 has hardware encoding too
[07:16] <timeless_> anyone knows to make mpegs play in either xine or mplayer
[07:16] <yahalom> how can i check if i have prelinking enabled?
[07:16] <sri_> man, gnome on ubuntu breezy is so fubar'ed it's not even funny
[07:17] <lowlux> what is the md5sum
[07:17] <yahalom> sri_, meaning?
[07:17] <abarbaccia> nate__, right, but the drivers are developmental - really a pain - i hadda do it - but not fun at all - much time spent - you can find those cards cheap on buy.com
[07:17] <abarbaccia> lowlux, when you first downloaded the ISO, you should've ran checksum on it so it makes sure the download is all correct
[07:17] <nate__> abarbaccia, can you tell me how you set up the drivers?
[07:17] <abarbaccia> nate__, im going to write a guide
[07:18] <lowlux> well im on windows......
[07:18] <abarbaccia> nate__, if you want to learn more about it before you venture into it, hang out in #mythtv-users
[07:18] <fidget> are there any linux programs to convert a mp4 to a mp3?
[07:18] <abarbaccia> fidget, google first please!
[07:18] <fidget> what is a mp4 anyways?! i've never seen it in my life ...
[07:19] <abarbaccia> lowlux, google for you as well
[07:19] <nate__> abarbaccia, write it up, i can give you a slot on my website if you need it
[07:19] <fidget> ah shrugs alright thought it might be quicker to ask someone knowledgable
[07:19] <abarbaccia> nate__, i will definitely consider the offer - let me get it functional completely, and setup another box (i have 2) using just the guide and be sure i have it all correct
[07:19] <nate__> abarbaccia, or better yet, can you write a script to set up the driver?  That would be tons easier for people to use
[07:19] <raz> has anyone noticed that if you go to 'add to panel' (on the bottom bar) and you slide down till the 'fish', that the whole window will freeze?
[07:20] <abarbaccia> nate__, it would, but hardware is not the same on all boxes
[07:20] <nate__> abarbaccia, nathan.sutton@gmail.com
[07:20] <nate__> write it down, hit me up when its functional :)
[07:20] <abarbaccia> oh, its functional, but the guide isnt
[07:20] <nate__> oh, yeah, the guide i mean :)
[07:20] <timeless_> anyone knows to make mpegs play in either xine or mplayer
[07:20] <abarbaccia> lol - its a notepad sitting next to my desk with pages of crap written down
[07:20] <abarbaccia> timeless_, by default?  check on www.ubuntuguide.com
[07:21] <abarbaccia> timeless_, that was ubuntuguide.org
[07:21] <nate__> i can get a p4 system with 512 MB ram (crappy video) for about $150, the whole system, monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc.  So throw a $70 card on top of that and i have a decent system for that purpose
[07:21] <timeless_> i am there now
[07:21] <nate__> and only for $220 or so
[07:22] <nate__> timeless_, the codecs didn't work?
[07:23] <raz> has anyone noticed that if you go to 'add to panel' (on the bottom bar) and you slide down till the 'fish', that the whole window will freeze?
[07:23] <zenum> hey
[07:23] <nate__> raz, mine doesn't freeze up
[07:24] <keffo> hm, If I have a dc_download @ /mnt/1-40gb
[07:24] <nate__> raz, something with your machine
[07:24] <synd> how come FC3 is so much bigger than Ubuntu? ie. it takes 4 install discs
[07:24] <raz> k.. fresh install
[07:24] <keffo> and make one on my 3-100b
[07:24] <zenum> does anyone know how to make the windows button bring up the KDE menu?
[07:24] <keffo> hm
[07:24] <keffo> bah
[07:24] <nate__> synd, cuz its a bloated piece of poo
[07:24] <raz> now even panel properties gives an error
[07:24] <timeless_> nate the install u gave for fedora don't work
[07:24] <nate__> timeless_, it did for me man
[07:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> when i try to run jackd it seg faults.  anyone know why?
[07:24] <nate__> make sure you're using sudo in front of those commands
[07:25] <synd> nate__: is it worth my time checking it out? more importantly is it worth the 4 black CDRs?
[07:25] <brandonn> zenum: I think you have to map ctrl-esc to whatever action you want
[07:25] <timeless_> i don't see the plugins they ask for in syNAPTICS
[07:25] <mpm> can anyone help wme with an unresolvable dependency?  I'm trying to apt-get gstreamer0.8-lame, but it says it depends on libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed... thanks in advance
[07:25] <nate__> synd, it is absolutely not worth your time, it wasn't even worth your time spent thinking about whether it was worth your time
[07:25] <nate__> timeless_, you have to download the plugins
[07:25] <xero> hey guys... i installed a pre-release of ubuntu, and now for some reason i my packet manager or the ubunu update thingi willnot update any packages... what can i do to fix this?
[07:25] <synd> nate__: i see. well i just thought about it because i have a few friends that swear by it
[07:26] <synd> nate__: and ive yet to see it for myself.
[07:26] <zenum> brandonn: Yeah i tried that but it doesnt work, control-escape obviously work but the Win button doesnt replicate the action
[07:26] <rixth> What the command to get your cpu speed?
[07:26] <nate__> timeless_, http://www.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/all-20050412.tar.bz2
[07:26] <dr_willis> mpm,  trying to isntall transcode?
[07:26] <brandonn> zenum: I'm not sure then, my laptop doesn't have a windows button for me to test
[07:26] <synd> xero: note the topic "DO NOT USE BREEZY YET"
[07:26] <lowlux> md5sum is not working
[07:26] <mpm> dr_willis: trying to get sound-juicer to rip mp3 format
[07:26] <nate__> synd, ubuntu is far superior to fedora, i used fedora core 3 before this, and since i tried ubuntu, i will not go back to fedora
[07:26] <dr_willis> mpm,  hmm. :O
[07:27] <egg|> :)
[07:27] <mpm> dr_willis: any ideas?
[07:27] <synd> nate__: i see. maybe i should show them this : D
[07:27] <lowlux> md5sum is not working
[07:27] <xero> synd: what is breezy? i am tlaking about the pre-release of hoary that was out a month or 2 back
[07:27] <nate__> synd, yes, have them install ubuntu on an extra hdd and see how superior it is to fedora
[07:27] <lowlux> im using ubuntu live CD about close to the end of the boot it gets stuck at creating user... 63% does any one know how to get past this???? help
[07:27] <sutabi> is there a way to speed up X11 if you cant have useFBDev true?
[07:27] <dr_willis> mpm,  not really thers some 'gotchas' in some of the multi-media tools :( been checking the wikis myself.. may want to check there first
[07:27] <abarbaccia> xero, breezy is whats next
[07:27] <synd> xero: why are you using a pre-release still?
[07:28] <abarbaccia> anybody know how to get firefox 1.04 installed?
[07:28] <timeless_> nate i downloaded the file
[07:28] <xero> synd: what do i have to do to upgrade?? i figured the packet manaer would just update for me
[07:28] <rixth> What the command to get your cpu speed?
[07:28] <lowlux> im using ubuntu live CD about close to the end of the boot it gets stuck at creating user... 63% does any one know how to get past this???? help
[07:28] <nate__> timeless_, follow the directions on that list, but instead of su -, do sudo -s
[07:28] <mpm> abarbaccia: it's not officially ubuntu build yet I don't think are you running into mozilla shutting you out of extensions?
[07:28] <xero> synd: i dont want to reformat if @ all possible... and i have the release cds avail too
[07:28] <nate__> timeless_, start at: "Open the terminal. Type:"
[07:29] <brandonn> OpenOffice2 is asking for a Java Runtime enviroment, anyone know exactly what file it's looking for?  I installed the jre 1.5.0 from Sun
[07:29] <synd> xero: apt-get update
[07:29] <nate__> timeless_, end at "The codecs for MPlayer, Xine and Kaffeine are now installed."
[07:29] <synd> xero: and then apt-get upgrade
[07:29] <lowlux> im using ubuntu live CD about close to the end of the boot it gets stuck at creating user... 63% does any one know how to get past this???? help how can i fix this??
[07:29] <synd> xero: your repos are all there, correct?
[07:29] <lowlux> why the hell does it have to creat a user on a live cd
[07:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> when i try to run jackd it seg faults.  anyone know why?
[07:30] <nate__> lowlux, not a clue, we're pretty much all people who have ubuntu installed.  You should install it, the installed ubuntu doesn't have this problem
[07:30] <abarbaccia> mpm, i got it - and yes, it officially is firefox 1.04 they just didnt rename the package, which locks you out of firefox extensions, but theres a fix on the firefox website
[07:30] <synd> i dont see why people really bother with the live CDs
[07:30] <lowlux> can;t do that.......
[07:30] <nate__> synd, amen
[07:30] <lowlux> hell no
[07:30] <synd> lowlux: cant partition?
[07:31] <xero> synd: yeah im pretty sure my repositories are all set up... im doing the apt-get upgrade right now
[07:31] <lowlux> im not intalling any linux after what suse pro 9.1 did to my last comp.....
[07:31] <synd> lowlux: the ubuntu install disc makes this VERY easy.
[07:31] <mpm> yeah abarbaccia i saw the fix on bugzilla.ubuntu.com; glad you found it
[07:31] <nate__> lowlux, the live cd for ubuntu isn't all that great, from all i've heard.  knoppix is superior, i believe, and i'm pretty sure its based on debian as well
[07:31] <synd> lowlux: i can assure you that ubuntu will not fuckg your computer.
[07:31] <nate__> lowlux, i had a terrible time of using suse 9.1 as well, but ubuntu makes suse 9.1 look like the antichrist
[07:32] <synd> lowlux: why are you messing with linux in the first place? since SuSe fucked it?
[07:32] <synd> id rather be messing with winxp than fucking with live CDs
[07:32] <lowlux> windows is fuckd
[07:32] <nate__> good
[07:32] <nate__> knoppix is a better tool for fixing partition tables
[07:32] <nate__> if thats your prob
[07:32] <dabaSlon> synd, let the guy do what he wants...
[07:32] <timeless_> where do i extract them too
[07:32] <lowlux> no suse blow up my last comp
[07:33] <nate__> timeless_, just follow all the commands they have in the boxes :)
[07:33] <synd> dabaSlon: well, live CDs IMHO are stupid
[07:33] <timeless_> k
[07:33] <synd> and his problem is with the live CD
[07:33] <dabaSlon> well, keep it iyho...
[07:33] <nate__> suse 9.1 = the biggest bag of suck ever
[07:33] <daniels> guys, lease watch the language in here.
[07:33] <nate__> worse than fedora 1
[07:33] <daniels> also, not so much with flaming suse/live cds/fedora/whatever.
[07:34] <dabaSlon> focus on the issue at hand:)
[07:34] <dabaSlon> :-p
[07:34] <nate__> awww daniels, poopin on our party? ;)
[07:34] <lowlux> suse took a bitch cow shit on my head...
[07:34] <nate__> .....
[07:34] <lowlux> *_*
[07:35] <daniels> lowlux: enough
[07:35] <synd> lowlux: (01:32:58) daniels: guys, lease watch the language in here.
[07:35] <nate__> thats what suse does, i suppose, but ubuntu is like the borg, its far superior and resistance is futile
[07:35] <nate__> you will be assimilated
[07:35] <synd> so we can be ubuntu fanboys
[07:35] <lowlux> wil unbontu support my USB WI FI card
[07:36] <synd> but not flame other distros?
[07:36] <nate__> likely, yes
[07:36] <daniels> synd: correct
[07:36] <nate__> it supported my centrino wireless right outta the box
[07:36] <nate__> which is more than i can say for any distro i've used
[07:36] <daniels> synd: keep it nice, or constructive -- preferably both
[07:36] <synd> lowlux: if its win xp compatible, then its 99% likely it can be used with ubuntu
[07:37] <nate__> lowlux, which is the pimp-juice
[07:37] <synd> daniels: gotcha
[07:37] <nate__> its the razzle-dazzle fo rizzle
[07:37] <yahalom> i can no longer create new users any ideas?
[07:37] <lowlux> ahh i don;t want pimp juice on me.........
[07:37] <nate__> yahalom, are you creating them as root?
[07:37] <nate__> lowlux, it makes your wireless work though!! ;)
[07:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> i tried to install jackd from source and now i've gone back in reinstalled from apt-get, but jackd seg faults when i run it..anyone??
[07:38] <yahalom> nate__, yes i use User and Groups in the menu
[07:38] <synd> i wonder when my ubuntu CDs are gonna be here : (
[07:38] <lowlux> well, it sure sux as a live cd.
[07:38] <nate__> yahalom, no idea then, sorry.  did you google it?
[07:38] <synd> lowlux: i say give up on the live cd and install ubuntu.
[07:38] <yahalom> nate__, it lets me create them, just when i log in it says no home folder found, do u want to use root as the home folder? if i say no then it says sessions didnt last mor ethan 10 secs. blah blah blah
[07:38] <lowlux> im not going to intall it
[07:39] <clay> reburn the livecd
[07:39] <clay> or else md5sm it
[07:39] <clay> er md5sum
[07:39] <lowlux> already did.......
[07:39] <yahalom> nate__, heard of that
[07:39] <yahalom> ?
[07:39] <nate__> yahalom, create their homefolder, maybe?
[07:39] <lowlux> i can't figer out to use md5sum
[07:39] <synd> ack how does one decrease the time it takes to set up the network interfaces during bootup?
[07:39] <clay> md5sum isn't hard..
[07:39] <synd> like it sits there for a while
[07:40] <yahalom> nate__, tried that. i did sudo mkdir /home/jonny_the_cat and then it still give me the same prob
[07:40] <nate__> synd, in /etc/network/interfaces, remove any interfaces you don't want set up automatically from the hotplug section
[07:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> clay my name is clay
[07:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> daniels do you have any idea what my problem might be?
[07:40] <nate__> my name is dirt
[07:40] <clay> md5 imagename.iso
[07:41] <clay> compare output to what is on ubuntu site
[07:41] <nate__> yahalom, then i don't have a clue, check google, he might know
[07:41] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: no
[07:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> :(
[07:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> guess i'm out of luck.
[07:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't want to have to reinstall.
[07:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> this sucks.
[07:41] <abarbaccia> BROKEN_LADDER, you need to check logs, and run it from a term window to see output - nobody knows why a program just quits without having a clue to what caused it
[07:41] <yahalom> nate__, thanx
[07:41] <nate__> yahalom, i try :)
[07:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> abarbaccia i have posted strace
[07:41] <nate__> synd, did ya find the file?
[07:42] <timeless_> nate when i type this mv *.bz2 temp it says no such file or directory
[07:42] <nate__> timeless_, did you create the directory "temp"?
[07:42] <timeless_> yeah
[07:42] <nate__> and temp is in the directory you are currently in?
[07:42] <worksucks05> Can I get openbox/metacity help here?  Or atleast get help switching back to metacity?
[07:43] <abarbaccia> nate__, he needs to be outside of temp - the parent folder
[07:43] <timeless_> yeah
[07:43] <benplaut> worksucks05: metacity --replace
[07:43] <lowlux> this is the file size...... is it right? 624 MB (655,259,648 bytes)
[07:43] <nate__> abarbaccia, i'll make it simple for him
[07:43] <clay> lowlux: md5 it, damnit
[07:43] <lowlux> HOW?
[07:43] <synd> nate__: not yet, im reinstalling ubuntu on this older p3 laptop of mine
[07:43] <clay> i already posted how
[07:43] <abarbaccia> lowlux, only one bit needs to be off - download a md5 checker for windows
[07:43] <clay> read your scrollback
[07:43] <synd> and it hung at the network interfaces thing
[07:43] <worksucks05> thanks, I tried it but it doesn't seem to work, I will go try again, thanks
[07:44] <nate__> synd, yeah, i had to remove all interfaces from hotplug in my install
[07:44] <synd> im so tired
[07:44] <synd>  and i gotta be up for work in 4.5 hrs
[07:44] <nate__> synd, on my laptop, cuz i din't know if i'd be using the ethernet port or the wireless, i manually up the interfaces now
[07:45] <synd> nate__: i see
[07:45] <benplaut> worksucks05: if it still doesn't work, try "killall openbox; metacity &"
[07:45] <synd> nate__: i had a helluva time getting ubuntu to use the wireless card i had bought for this tower
[07:45] <benplaut> (without quites)
[07:45] <nate__> synd, ha
[07:46] <synd> hopefully i can get away with one of the xeons at work tomorrow
[07:46] <nate__> heh, THIEF!!!
[07:46] <lowlux> crap ill just redownload it.
[07:46] <synd> just borrowing it : )
[07:47] <nate__> heh
[07:47] <clay> "borrow" one for me too, please ;)
[07:47] <nate__> riiiiight
[07:47] <_phate_> 'm having network issues. When I first installed Ubuntu, I could get the full 100Mbps on my local net work and could average about 315kbps on my cable connection. Now I can only average about 24kbps for both my local network and my cable. I know its has something to do with linux because when I boot into windows (yes, I dual boot ) and the network connection is fine. Anyone have any ideas?
[07:48] <synd> i pushed out a few packages using SMS today.. to about 750 computers on 5 different continents
[07:48] <wsg> anyone know the link to the nvidia installer for ubuntu
[07:49] <synd> wsg: you should find it in ubuntuguide.org
[07:49] <dabaSlon> _phate, did  you try reinstallinmg? maybe some network program is using the network, like a downloader, server, etc. Do you monitor your network traffic? there is applets for that, and firestarter tells you exactly how much you send and receive.
[07:50] <jb1> trying to build gnusound 0.7 but getting "gnome_config_set_xxx" & "gnome_config_get_xxx" errors. Anybody know which dev I am missing?
[07:50] <nate__> i have an interview in 7 hours or so
[07:50] <lowlux> crap i guss i can't download it to night im going slower then a 56k
[07:51] <dabaSlon> wsg, the www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki does. is this it? http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[07:51] <_phate_> dabaSlon, how do I get firestarter?
[07:51] <nate__> dabaSlon, there is a repository that has the nvidia drivers
[07:51] <dabaSlon> lowlux: you should use a torrent.
[07:52] <dabaSlon> _phate_: you should likely be able to apt-get install it, if I remember right.
[07:52] <nate__> lowlux, you should just install ubuntu, i seriously doubt you'll regret it
[07:52] <dabaSlon> yeah, its there, _phate_
[07:52] <lowlux> well, good bye
[07:53] <nate__> ha
[07:53] <synd> shit
[07:53] <nate__> poop
[07:53] <dabaSlon> nate, he was going to install it.
[07:53] <nate__> doodoo
[07:53] <nate__> dabaSlon, he was redownloading the live cd
[07:53] <dabaSlon> really?
[07:53] <dabaSlon> :)
[07:53] <synd> aint ever seen anyone that is that crazy about live CDs
[07:53] <dabaSlon> I hope he uses a torrent this time...
[07:53] <clay> he couldn't figure out how to use md5sum
[07:54] <nate__> clay, I think he did, hence the: lowlux: crap ill just redownload it.
[07:54] <dabaSlon> good night guys, take it easy...
[07:54] <nate__> dabaSlon, ditto
[07:55] <synd> peace dabaSlon_slp
[07:55] <synd> im off to bed as well
[07:55] <nate__> synd, live CDs are good for forensics and security
[07:55] <worksucks05> Well, that didn't work...  I can only login through Gnome Failsafe.  I installed openbox, but it hung on startup, and wouldn't let me in.  I then tried to revert back to metacity, but it boots into openbox and hangs aswell.  Any suggestions?
[07:55] <clay> i use the livecd on my gf's laptop, it works well
[07:55] <nate__> i dunno, for a boot cd linux i'd just use knoppix
[07:56] <nate__> or auditor, or helix
[07:56] <nate__> depending on what i was doing
[07:56] <clay> knoppix is clunky and slow
[07:56] <clay> one ubuntu was loaded it was pretty nice to use
[07:56] <nate__> yeah, i wanna make my own version of knoppix
[07:56] <nate__> stripped down and made for speed, for wolfenstein
[07:57] <clay> not to mention i'm a gnome guy and can only use kde for so long
[07:57] <nate__> clay, make your own knoppix distro
[07:57] <clay> bah
[07:57] <clay> i don't use livecds enough to bother
[07:57] <benplaut> worksucks05: no idea... ask some of the resident experts at ubuntu forums
[07:57] <dabaSlon_slp> yeah, maybe that.
[07:58] <nate__> clay, yeah, but i think about a custom distro for supporting computers and i get all excited
[07:58] <clay> thats what linux is about
[07:58] <clay> having fun
[07:58] <nate__> clay, one with security and forensics tools
[07:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's working now!
[07:58] <nate__> yeppers :)
[07:58] <worksucks05> will do, thanks
[07:58] <nate__> BROKEN_LADDER, cool! :)
[07:58] <clay> there is knoppix-std and phlak for security/forensics
[07:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> sometimes rebooting cures everything.
[07:59] <nate__> yeah, auditor and helix work better
[07:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> or just shows that you don't know linux well enough to not have to reboot.
[07:59] <nate__> but i'd like to combine what i like from all of them
[07:59] <clay> never tried those..
[07:59] <WillieDaPimp> help!  my keyboard doesn't work during install
[07:59] <nate__> helix is the bomb for forensics
[08:00] <nate__> WillieDaPimp, what kind of keyboard?  can you find a generic ps2 one for just the install?
[08:01] <WillieDaPimp> it is a ps/2
[08:03] <WillieDaPimp> any suggestions?
[08:03] <worksucks05> Anyone here have a favorite internet radio station?
[08:04] <worksucks05> just need something
[08:05] <WillieDaPimp> so nobody knows what i should do?
[08:06] <Madpilot> worksucks05: http://www.radioparadise.com/index.php  <-- really odd all-music mix. Fun.
[08:07] <shinu> is there a way to see whats still using my hard drive or not? i cant umount it.
[08:07] <shinu> though i think i switched off all the proceses that use the hd
[08:08] <joh> shinu: fuser -m -v /dev/hdX ?
[08:08] <WillieDaPimp> is there a way for me to install ubuntu with the keyboard i have?
[08:08] <shinu> joh: ok ill try that
[08:08] <joh> shinu: alternativelly fuser -m -v /mount/point or lsof | grep device/mount point
[08:08] <WillieDaPimp> mandriva and suse work descent....
[08:09] <hhurtta> WillieDaPimp: then perhaps you should stick with them...
[08:09] <shinu> uh...
[08:09] <shinu> joh: thanks a lot :)
[08:09] <joh> shinu: no problem
[08:09] <WillieDaPimp> but i wanted to try this one
[08:10] <joh> WillieDaPimp: then try it then ;)
[08:10] <WillieDaPimp> the keyboard doesn't work during install
[08:18] <Super_dude> how do i activate my sound its not working need to use modprobe help me find out what to probe plz.
[08:18] <navreet> how can I play a DVD??
[08:19] <WillieDaPimp> i thought this ubuntu was supposed to be for the people but i still haven't seen anybody offer any kind of help here
[08:19] <gibbie> i got help the other day...lol
[08:19] <daniels> WillieDaPimp: perhaps because no-one knows what to do, largely because PS/2 keyboard installs generally work
[08:19] <gibbie> btw...anyone know how to remove the volume monitor and recording level monitors?
[08:21] <navreet> how can I play a DVD??
[08:21] <glick> scuse me all
[08:21] <navreet> i don't have a /dev/dvd
[08:22] <glick> i use debian
[08:22] <glick> i hear a lot of good things about ubuntu
[08:22] <glick> thinkin of givin it a try
[08:22] <navreet> glick, go for it! :)
[08:22] <glick> i know its debian based but will is it very similar?
[08:22] <gibbie> navreet:  does your dvd rom drive read anything at all?
[08:22] <glick> and how is it different?
[08:22] <navreet> gibbie, yeah, the DVD got mounted
[08:22] <dude> how do i activate my sound its not working need to use modprobe help me find out what to probe plz.
[08:22] <navreet> gibbie, i can see it on my gnome desktop
[08:23] <gibbie> ok then it's at least mounted...
[08:23] <navreet> glick, more user friendly, stuff works out-of-the-box 90% of the time
[08:23] <super_dude> how do i activate my sound its not working need to use modprobe help me find out what to probe plz.
[08:23] <gibbie> navreet:  do you get video but just no sound?
[08:23] <glick> does user friendly mean they hide the OS from you like in mandriva and redhat with weird scripts and stuff that are hidden all over the place?
[08:24] <glick> whats the stable current release?
[08:24] <gibbie> super_dude: are you using ALSA or OSS drivers?
[08:24] <navreet> gibbie, I can't play it in totem or mplayer
[08:24] <navreet> gibbie, totem just kinda sat there, so I forced quit it
[08:24] <super_dude> alsa.. i think :P
[08:25] <gibbie> navreet:  i'm not much help with dvd video...don't even have DVD drive myself... I know a little about sound though.
[08:25] <mtrisk> glick: of ubuntu? 5.04 Hoary
[08:25] <navreet> gibbie, on different systems i've done stuff like mplayer dvd://
[08:25] <glick> does ubuntu allow you to choose what you want installed or does it install everything, or can you fine tune an install?
[08:25] <navreet> and it has worked
[08:26] <mtrisk> glick: it's basically a one flavor sort of install
[08:26] <gibbie> super_dude:  simply removing and reinstalling your alsa drivers may work...worked for me
[08:26] <mtrisk> glick: very much unlike say...fedora
[08:26] <rommer> if i install apt-get install ssh, what program is the ssh server?
[08:26] <glick> mtrisk, so i cant be like dont install kde
[08:26] <gibbie> at the command prompt try "apt-get remove alsa"   then "apt-get install alsa" afterwards as sudo su
[08:26] <glick> or dont install x
[08:26] <glick> ?
[08:27] <glick> i cant choose what i want installed?
[08:27] <mtrisk> glick: AFAIK, not really
[08:27] <gibbie> super_dude:  after reinstalling alsa drivers you may need to run "alsamixer" from a terminal and check the master, pcm, and DAC levels
[08:27] <glick> mtrisk, that kina sucks!
[08:28] <super_dude> no it dont i just upgraded to hoary so i had the same problem on warty i used modprobe....somfing to fix it can you help me find out what the bit im probing is
[08:28] <gibbie> super_dude:  i've gotten sound to work with a modprobe in the past also, but have found this method to be easier.
[08:29] <super_dude> so what do i do plz
[08:29] <gibbie> super_dude:  you can search the archives at linuxquestions.org.  I have a post about how I did a modprobe in mandrake to get my sound to work...my handle is jagibbs there
[08:30] <glick> to upgrade to different releases do i have to reinstall the entire OS?
[08:31] <bob2> glick: of course not
[08:31] <bob2> glick: wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[08:31] <bob2> glick: there'll be pages like that for each release
[08:31] <gibbie> super_dude:  here's the link...it was on the Mandrake board...don't know if it will help....    http://mandrivausers.org/index.php?showtopic=20466
[08:32] <super_dude> ok
[08:32] <super_dude> ty
[08:34] <glick> When you install Ubuntu, you will typically install a complete desktop environment. It is also possible to install a minimal set of software (just enough to boot your machine) and then manually select the precise software applications to install. Such a "custom" install is usually favoured by server administrators, who prefer to keep only the software they absolutely need on the server.
[08:34] <navreet> anyone know how to fix it so that /dev/dvd is mounted?!
[08:34] <glick> nice
[08:34] <gibbie> super_due:  I think using the previous apt-get remove and install commands will automatically reinstall also if your modprobe attempts don't work.
[08:35] <navreet> anyone know which dev node my dvd drive might be one?
[08:35] <joh> navreet: /dev/hdc perhaps?
[08:35] <joh> navreet: depends on how many cd-drives you have on your computer.
[08:36] <ckeen> anyone here used qemu?
[08:36] <joh> ckeen: yes
[08:36] <mtrisk> navreet: or hard drives
[08:36] <glick> canonical funds ubuntu?
[08:37] <joh> glick: yes
[08:37] <glick> who is canonical and why/how are they funding this?
[08:37] <bob2> glick: www.canonical.com
[08:37] <lifeless> glick: dude! www.canonical.com & www.ubuntu.com
[08:37] <ckeen> everytime i install an os it works, but everytime after the first boot the hdd stuffs up
[08:37] <glick> bob2, didnt you used to be a debian user?
[08:38] <bob2> glick: I still am
[08:38] <glick> bob2, u use ubuntu as well
[08:38] <glick> ?
[08:38] <bob2> yes
[08:38] <glick> where do you use debian and where do you use ubuntu?
[08:39] <gibbie> navreet:  If you see your DVD drive on the desktop then it is probably already mounted... is the drive already listed in your /etc/fstab file?
[08:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> if i compile ardour myself, what should i set as the path? scons PREFIX=/usr
[08:40] <joh> BROKEN_LADDER: depends, I use /usr/local for self-compiled programs
[08:40] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: /usr/local/
[08:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's what i thought..
[08:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> hx
[08:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> thx
[08:40] <glick> bob2, where do you use debian and where do you use ubuntu?
[08:41] <bob2> glick: ubuntu on my laptop and desktop and a server, debian on another couple of servers and my mips machine
[08:41] <joh> BROKEN_LADDER: but you could ofcourse use any path, but /usr/local is normal.
[08:41] <glick> bob2, so for a laptop/desktop you recommend ubuntu?
[08:42] <bob2> glick: depends who you are.  I went with it because I was in a hurry and it Just Worked
[08:42] <bob2> that and mdz insisted we all test it ;)
[08:42] <dr_willis> Wasent HP offering some laptops with ubuntu?
[08:42] <glick> bob2, what do you mean depends who i am?
[08:42] <joh> hehe
[08:43] <bob2> dr_willis: yes
[08:43] <navreet> gibbie, k, now I can get the video
[08:43] <bob2> glick: "you recommend ubuntu?" -> "depends who is asking me"
[08:43] <navreet> gibbie, but no sound... it crashes if I try to play sound (mplayer)
[08:43] <navreet> glick, yes
[08:43] <joh> glick: IMHO ubuntu works great as on laptops and desktops but also on servers. Running it on one server here and debian on two others.
[08:43] <glick> bob2, lol im a student
[08:43] <cyphase> hey everyone
[08:44] <gibbie> navreet:  do you get sound from other players?   xmms or others...?
[08:44] <bob2> glick: I more mean "what do you want out of an OS? how skilled are you with debian/ubuntu?"
[08:44] <navreet> gibbie, yep, alsa works like a charm, i can even hear sounds from other media played through mplayer
[08:45] <Nula> anyone knows a decent alternative to gnome-panel?? I'm really getting tired of the showstopper bugs in gnome-panel
[08:45] <glick> bob2, im not a newbie but not a super guru either
[08:45] <gibbie> navreet:  hmm.. probably not something I can help with then.  like i said, i've never played a DVD on any computer before...ever.
[08:45] <joh> Nula: showstopper bugs in gnome-panel?
[08:46] <navreet> hey cyphase
[08:46] <joh> Nula: gnome-panel works great IMO.
[08:46] <bob2> glick: ubuntu might be for you then
[08:46] <Nula> joh: I'm probably exgerating .. since I'm angry at it
[08:46] <navreet> Nula, same here
[08:46] <joh> Nula: what's wrong with it then?
[08:46] <glick> oh yeah joh
[08:46] <glick> yeah there are some things about debian which irk me
[08:46] <Nula> joh: example, I uncheck the expand button and the next time I login all my applets are COMPLETELY in a messed up order
[08:46] <Nula> such as the clock replaces the Menu button
[08:46] <Nula> and if the apps are locked.. I have to unlock every single one of them
[08:47] <Nula> rearrange it in the correct order
[08:47] <joh> Nula: oh, think I've had that problem before, but that was a long time ago
[08:47] <bob2> Nula: have you cheked bugzilla?
[08:47] <gibbie> all:  just switch to XFCE4 from Gnome
[08:47] <Nula> bob2: not yet
[08:47] <joh> gibbie: good for you
[08:48] <gibbie> all:  ;)
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there any way to make a .desktop file different and have it stay that way and not get overwritten, even when you upgrade with apt-get?
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> i want to reorganize my menu.
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> but everytime i change things, they get written over.
[08:48] <bob2> not if you're putting it in /usr/
[08:48] <dr_willis> BROKEN_LADDER,  could chmod it :P  or back it up and restore it every login.
[08:48] <Nula> but does anyone knows an alternative to gnome-panel?? I'll try to report the bugs.. but until the next working version comes out in 30-40 months I want something that works
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> dr_willis i think i chmodded and that still didn't work.
[08:48] <bob2> chmod'ing won't help
[08:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah.
[08:49] <bob2> /usr/ is dpkg's territory
[08:49] <dr_willis> Hmm - i cant think of any bugs ive seen with Panel.
[08:49] <dr_willis> theres the gdesklet replacements for the panel..  i think.
[08:49] <dr_willis> but they may be 2x as buggy :P
[08:49] <joh> dr_willis: ugh, gdesklets! Welcome memory leaks! :P
[08:49] <dr_willis> joh,  yep :P
[08:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> it drives me absolutely bonkers how they name things by their description instead of their name.  There is a name and comment field, so for gedit it should be GEDIT, TEXT EDITOR.  Instead it's TEXT EDITOR, EDIT TEXT FILES or something terrible like that.
[08:49] <Nula> heh
[08:49] <Nula> that's sad
[08:49] <Nula> :(
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> gdesklets suck?
[08:50] <Nula> I just thought of something
[08:50] <Nula> I could also use the XFCE panel
[08:50] <dr_willis> BROKEN_LADDER,  Hmm  My menu have the name of the program...
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> why would they be more prone to memory leaks?
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> dr_willis no way.
[08:50] <joh> BROKEN_LADDER: that is much more user friendly than actually displaying the program name.
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> dr_willis  look in accessories.
[08:50] <navreet> sweet, ogle worx
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> no it's not.
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> it makes it take longer to find programs.
[08:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> the comment/description is what the comment field is for joh
[08:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> the name is, duh, for the name.
[08:51] <dr_willis> of course i got kde and loads of other things installed. I do know that KDE has options for just what you are ranting about :P
[08:51] <dr_willis> Ive seen otehr Disrtos do the exact same thing.
[08:51] <bob2> of course it has an option
[08:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> the .desktop file should be correctly written, then you can leave it up to the menu to have configurability to display the comment instead of the name if a user chooses.
[08:51] <bob2> their preferences thing has so many options it needs a search engine
[08:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> kde sucks.
[08:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol bob2
[08:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> kde is a wreck.
[08:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> i won't bash it anymore sorry.
[08:52] <gibbie> yeah yeah we all know
[08:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's one of those heated things like arguing against creationists.
[08:52] <Burgundavia> BROKEN_LADDER, most users care about what it does, not what it is called
[08:52] <joh> BROKEN_LADDER: have you checked the gnome HID? http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/desktop-integration.html#desktop-application-menu
[08:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> BurgerMann so let them choose to look at its comment.
[08:53] <dr_willis> I like kde in some ways.. and gnomes in a few others. :P
[08:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> BurgerMann the NAME is the NAME of the program.
[08:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> BurgerMann if you want people to see the description, have it list the description first, then the name.  But don't falsify the .desktop files!
[08:53] <drspin> I use XFCE with Nautilus -- all the benefits of GNOME -- half the momory footprint :)
[08:53] <BurgerMann> lol
[08:53] <drspin> *memory
[08:54] <Nula> I like the Kde main panel better hahaha
[08:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't like xfce.  it keeps getting better but i still feel sick of it after ten minutes.
[08:54] <^burgermann> there...
[08:54] <dr_willis> xfce is nice in so many ways.. and weird in so many others. :P
[08:54] <mtrisk> it's all about the e17
[08:54] <mtrisk> :P
[08:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> gnome is pretty slick nowadays.  i don't know how they did it, but _finally_ if i touch to create a file in terminal, nautilus shows it instantly.
[08:54] <joh> dr_willis: it's fast though :P but that's about it
[08:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't think it's polling.
[08:54] <Nula> I give a thumbs down to the Xfce Rox filer
[08:54] <Nula> it's not as good as nautilus
[08:54] <drspin> I got a quick/dumb question -- if I run Quake3 in windowed mode, is there a way to release the cursor back to the WM??
[08:54] <iceman> what the apt get command to get kde ?
[08:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> beos tracker is/was the coolest file manager ever.
[08:55] <drspin> Nula: I agree Rox sux --
[08:55] <joh> BROKEN_LADDER: no, it's a kernel addon I think.
[08:55] <dr_willis> drspin,  i think theres a keybinding you can do to get it out.
[08:55] <Nula> drspin, I haven't found a way
[08:55] <Nula> drspin, that's kinda ironic
[08:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> joh it is a kernel module yes i believe that's right.
[08:55] <dr_willis> BeOS's file manager was weird in some ways also. :P
[08:55] <drspin> dr_willis: any idea where to look??
[08:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> joh the issue is that for so long apps didn't take advantage of it.
[08:55] <dr_willis> drspin,  in the keybinding menu config :P
[08:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> dr_willis name one way in which it was weird?
[08:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> er.. .
[08:56] <iceman> what the command to download KDE
[08:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 does nautilus talk to a daemon to receive file/directory update notices?
[08:56] <dr_willis> BROKEN_LADDER,  i do belive that if you drag folder foo, onto say folder bar.. and there was a 'foo' allready with files in it.. it would basicially DELETE the existing folder.
[08:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> icebalm apt-get install kde
[08:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> icebalm sudo apt-get innstall kde
[08:56] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: gamin.
[08:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> dr_willis  no it would ask
[08:56] <iceman> ty
[08:56] <dr_willis> BROKEN_LADDER,  ie; it dident sort of merge folders when  copying.  It dident ask me when i did it ages ago. :P
[08:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> dr_willis beos tracker was the slickest thing ever.
[08:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> merge?
[08:57] <mtrisk> hey is there any reason sudo would be asking me for a password?
[08:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> are you crazy?
[08:57] <joh> BROKEN_LADDER: I don't know for sure though. I know that HAL takes advantage of some file monitoring in the kernel.
[08:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> nautilus doesn't do that either.
[08:57] <iceman> Package kde has no installation candidate humm did not work
[08:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> mv/cp don't do that either.
[08:57] <dr_willis> beos had some grovy features that never got used much. but for the most beos is dead. :()
[08:57] <mtrisk> oh wait, nvm that
[08:57] <^burgermann> There's no religion to KDE, Xcfe or Gnome, now .. is there? So what's the fuzz =)
[08:57] <Nula> mtrisk, it would be a problem if it WASNT asking for a pass
[08:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> joh there is the file alteration module.
[08:57] <mtrisk> nula: i just thought it was asking me for root pass, not my own :)
[08:58] <Cristobal> how do i change the black theme in x-chat anyone know
[08:58] <Nula> :)
[08:58] <Tezkah> ^burgermann: you're right
[08:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> joh i forget what the notification is called but some daemon runs, i think, and receives that notification from the kernel when something changes in a directory.
[08:58] <Tezkah> the true religion is icewm
[08:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> theme in xchat?
[08:58] <cyphase> I'm never wrong. Once, I thought I was wrong, but it turned out I was mistaken.
[08:58] <joh> BROKEN_LADDER: yes. I think it's called "notify" :P
[08:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> joh har har..no there's a name for it.
[08:58] <Nula> the true religion is init.rd
[08:58] <Nula> or maybe /boot
[08:58] <^burgermann> lol
[08:58] <Tezkah> emacs!
[08:58] <Nula> anything with more eyecandy than that is a waste of cpu cycles
[08:58] <iceman> tried aptget install kda ... no luck ?
[08:58] <^burgermann> a true religion is no religion :P
[08:58] <bloodwulf> fvb
[08:59] <joh> BROKEN_LADDER: actually, I think that's the name of the kernel part.
[08:59] <alexmacy> hi
[08:59] <freelux> where can I found Ubuntu Hoary CD/DVD's covers to download ?
[08:59] <glickinator> hey if i compile my own kernel
[08:59] <Cristobal> al, f
[08:59] <Cristobal> alex,g
[08:59] <Cristobal> alex, fd
[08:59] <Nula> there are cd covers??
[08:59] <glickinator> will that break my ability to upgrade from release to release?
[08:59] <Cristobal> alex: gg
[08:59] <Nula> where??
[08:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 so you say there's no way currently to permanently change properties of .desktops?
[09:00] <iceman> Package kde has no installation candidate all i get with apt get ?
[09:00] <Cristobal> anyone know when a new version of crossover is coming out
[09:00] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: I don't know, but editing it in /usr/ is not ever going to work
[09:00] <bob2> iceman: install kubuntu-desktop
[09:00] <bob2> iceman: assuming you pointed apt at an internet mirror
[09:00] <Tezkah> apt-get install icewm
[09:01] <joh> glickinator: from kernel-release to kernel-release, yes.
[09:01] <dr_willis> apt-get me a beer
[09:01] <iceman> lost me ... new to this .. but i hate gnome
[09:01] <Tezkah> hopefully you'll all install it before you realize what it is
[09:01] <Tezkah> then it will be too late
[09:01] <bob2> iceman: #kubuntu then
[09:01] <glickinator> joh, what do you mean?
[09:01] <dr_willis> the kubuntu homepage details the kde part of ubuntu. :P it works quite well
[09:01] <Nula> iceman: can I hear one reason??
[09:02] <glickinator> joh, cant i use my custom kernel?
[09:02] <Nula> iceman: is it slow? ugly?
[09:02] <joh> glickinator: err, ubuntu will never upgrade your kernel unless you specifically ask it to.
[09:02] <iceman> downloaded it ... installed ... graphic suck ... driver only allows me 640x480 resolution ..
[09:02] <joh> glickinator: sure you can.
[09:02] <ivan> any ubuntu repositories with transcode?
[09:02] <Nula> sigh
[09:02] <bob2> iceman: that has nothing at all to do with gnome
[09:02] <Nula> iceman: that has nothing to do with gnome ....
[09:02] <glickinator> joh, can i still upgrade with cutom kernel running?
[09:02] <ws007> www.cyber.webcam.com
[09:02] <iceman> went back to ubuntu ...
[09:02] <dr_willis> ivan,  i think thers some issues with it. :(
[09:02] <bob2> kubuntu will have the exact same problem
[09:02] <bob2> ws007: ?
[09:02] <joh> glickinator: upgrade what?
[09:02] <joh> glickinator: the software?
[09:02] <bob2> glickinator: sure, you can upgrade ubuntu with it...
[09:02] <glickinator> official ubuntu releases
[09:03] <bob2> glickinator: what was missing from the ubuntu kernel that you wanted?
[09:03] <joh> glickinator: yes, ofcourse.
[09:03] <iceman> gnome has good resolution ... kde should
[09:03] <glickinator> some distros dont like it when you mess with kernels
[09:03] <iceman> just need to get the download
[09:03] <joh> glickinator: hehe, well ubuntu is not one of them.
[09:03] <ivan> dr_willis, i used the one from debian
[09:03] <dr_willis> i think that with the latest kde and gnome you can set different resolutions on a per user basis with the preferance tools.. but ive never messed with it much
[09:03] <ivan> from apt.cerkinfo.be
[09:03] <Nula> iceman: give me some of that stuff too! I'm kinda depressed right now
[09:04] <drummer87> I can't mount CDs properly :( can someone help me??
[09:04] <dr_willis> ivan,  yea..  theres some dependency issues or somthing.. and ive not looked into it much.
[09:04] <GammaRay> is there a floppy network install?
[09:04] <bob2> drummer87: you need to be more specific about what isn't working
[09:04] <glickinator> man xfce4 rocks
[09:04] <bob2> GammaRay: using pxeboot, yes
[09:04] <iceman> kdm .. ?
[09:04] <glickinator> even this old as version im stuck using
[09:04] <glickinator> with debian
[09:04] <iceman> nope kdm did not work .. ?
[09:05] <drummer87> they won't automount.. i have to do mount /dev/hda
[09:05] <ivan> glickinator, yea, i like how you can go from login to your desktop in about 5 seconds
[09:05] <glickinator> drummer87, what wont automount?
[09:05] <drummer87> CDs
[09:05] <glickinator> ivan, yeah and it looks sweet too
[09:06] <glickinator> drummer87, music cds?
[09:06] <GammaRay> bob2: the same? http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=8&topic=pxeboot
[09:06] <drummer87> and then when i select eject it umounts but has an error saying eject: can't open /dev/hda
[09:06] <glickinator> why are you mount a cd as /dev/hda?
[09:06] <glickinator> hda is usually the first harddrive
[09:06] <drummer87> music CDs won't mount at all.. bas fs type or something when i mount from terminal
[09:06] <glickinator> unless you have no ide drives
[09:06] <glickinator> drummer87, music cds are not mountable
[09:06] <ivan> glickinator, http://img271.echo.cx/img271/2991/desktop5og.png that's my xfce desktop
[09:07] <bob2> GammaRay: that looks like it.  you just need to setup a tftp and dhcp server
[09:07] <AMCDeathKnight> How can I copy dvds using Linux easily?
[09:07] <ivan> AMCDeathKnight, http://kavlon.org/index.php/dvdbackup
[09:07] <dr_willis> AMCDeathKnight,  doing thta right now :P
[09:07] <glickinator> ivan, that looks hot
[09:07] <ivan> same
[09:07] <k31th> watsup bob2
[09:07] <bob2> AMCDeathKnight: you can use dvdbackup to back them up
[09:07] <geordi> just installed ubuntu for the first time, where is gcc?
[09:07] <Nula> AMCDeathKnight, apt-get install gnomebaker
[09:07] <drummer87> i can't read them at all though, yesterday i could as they came up with a desktop icons called Audio and the player came up to play it
[09:07] <Tezkah> http://people.uleth.ca/~ryan.reamsbottom2/icewm.png TAKE THAT SIMPLICITY
[09:07] <dr_willis> depends on the kind of dvd also. :P
[09:07] <ivan> geordi, apt-get it
[09:07] <glickinator> ivan, yeah im stuck using shitty 4.0, but its not that shitty, but i bet 4.2 is much hotter
[09:07] <AMCDeathKnight> which one lol
[09:07] <mtrisk> geordi: you have to add the package manually
[09:07] <GammaRay> bob2: that page says it requires special hardware though
[09:08] <bob2> geordi: it's in the faq, which is in the topic: install the build-essential package
[09:08] <drummer87> btw, the kernel was updated yesterday in a system update
[09:08] <Nula> AMCDeathKnight, too many choices gotta hurt :(
[09:08] <ivan> glickinator, yea, i'm using 4.0 on this deb machine, and 4.2 on my ubuntu laptop
[09:08] <glickinator> ivan, can i not install kde or gnome, or are those default
[09:08] <drummer87> could that have caused a problem?
[09:08] <AMCDeathKnight> Which is the easiest yet most effective
[09:08] <iceman> humm why can't apt-get find kde ?
[09:08] <bob2> GammaRay: well, there's some pxe thing you can put on a floppy disk and use boot
[09:08] <drummer87> everything worked fine b4 today
[09:08] <Tezkah> iceman: try kdebase
[09:09] <ivan> glickinator, i hear they're the default, but mine never installed
[09:09] <Nula> AMCDeathKnight, gnomebaker is a general purpose CD/DVD burning app
[09:09] <dr_willis> iceman,  because its called like 'kubuntu' or somthing :P let me see
[09:09] <glickinator> ivan at install can you choose not to install them?
[09:09] <AMCDeathKnight> ok
[09:09] <Nula> AMCDeathKnight, the other one is obviously for bakcuping up and copying DVDs .. gnomebaker does audio cds too
[09:09] <geordi> thanks for the responses :) got it figured out
[09:09] <joh> ivan: please, take kde ubuntu discussion to #kubuntu
[09:09] <dr_willis> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:09] <Ghetek> anybody know of a good apt-getable program that does stuff with html, something like dreamweaver?
[09:10] <Tezkah> Ghetek: have you tried emacs?
[09:10] <ivan> this isn't kde ubuntu talk
[09:10] <Nula> Ghetek, bluefish is ok ..
[09:10] <Nula> Ghetek, screem is another
[09:10] <joh> ivan: yes it is.
[09:10] <wolverian> Ghetek: a WYSIWYG editor? nvu is probably the only one worth it.
[09:11] <wolverian> Ghetek: or Amaya.
[09:11] <bob2> recommending emacs to people who ask for something like dreamweaver is a pretty terrible idea
[09:11] <wolverian> Ghetek: in general, WYSIWYG editors are hateful.
[09:11] <Ghetek> cool, thanks
[09:11] <ivan> joh, i'm talking about ubuntu
[09:11] <ivan> not kubuntu
[09:11] <joh> ivan: you are talking about kde on ubuntu
[09:11] <mtrisk> glickinator: type custom at the boot cd prompt
[09:12] <ivan> i'm talking about xfce on ubuntu
[09:12] <k31th> dreamweaver runs in wone iirc
[09:12] <k31th> wine
[09:12] <k31th> but thats cheating
[09:12] <Tezkah> bob2: if there is something that emacs cannot do... its probably not worth doing
[09:12] <joh> ivan: sorry, that was meant for iceman :P
[09:12] <glickinator> thanks mtrisk
[09:13] <bob2> Tezkah: sure, but put someone who's never used unix before in front of it and they will have no idea
[09:13] <bob2> (I use emacs, but I still don't recommend it to people who aren't going to appreciate it)
[09:13] <ivan> joh: it's ok, i didn't lose too many tears
[09:13] <Tezkah> nah, most real web designers would tell you to use notepad instead of something like dreamweaver, but yeah I see what you mean
[09:13] <cafuego> @cafuegosmite bob2
[09:13] <ubotu> cafuego: I give up, what is it?
[09:13] <cafuego> liar :-)
[09:14] <iceman> shoot ?
[09:14] <bob2> GammaRay: http://rom-o-matic.net/
[09:15] <iceman> How to find kde for ubuntu ...
[09:15] <cafuego> iceman: apt-get install kde?
[09:15] <joh> iceman: #kubuntu for kde on ubuntu questions please.
[09:15] <ivan> Tezkah, xfce looks alot better
[09:15] <iceman> tried that
[09:15] <dr_willis> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop      For the last time...
[09:16] <Tezkah> ivan: xfce is nice, I agree
[09:16] <dr_willis> its the #1 item on the kubuntu Faq/homepage :P
[09:16] <Tezkah> but for "so simplistic it hurts"... icewm can't be beat
[09:16] <iceman> k ... will try kubuntu-desktop ...
[09:16] <Tezkah> XFCE has a bad battery monitor applet
[09:16] <Tezkah> I use it when I'm not in icewm or Windows
[09:17] <ivan> what about fluxbox?
[09:17] <dr_willis> I still like "WindowMaker" in ways
[09:17] <Tezkah> I agree, its an awesome window manager
[09:17] <iceman> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop humm ... did not work
[09:17] <Ghetek> repositories...
[09:17] <dr_willis> yep - it pays to have all the right repositories added :P
[09:17] <drummer87> dvds don't work at all either.. someone pls help me..  :'(
[09:18] <cafuego> @find kubuntu-desktop
[09:18] <ubotu> kubuntu-desktop: (Kubuntu desktop system), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.40 (hoary), Packaged size: 3 kB, Installed size: 32 kB
[09:18] <cafuego> Would it be in universe?
[09:18] <kediv> slt
[09:18] <kediv> speak french
[09:18] <joh> iceman: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE/view?searchterm=kde
[09:18] <kediv> please
[09:18] <Burgundavia> cafuego, it is in main
[09:18] <dr_willis> and its only 32kb! :p
[09:18] <dr_willis> lol
[09:18] <cafuego> kediv: why?
[09:19] <iceman> @find: command not found   shoot
[09:19] <Burgundavia> kediv, try #ubuntu-fr
[09:19] <kediv> j'ai un probleme
[09:19] <joh> dr_willis: it's only a virtual package :P
[09:19] <cafuego> kediv: Pourquoi? Te ne parle pas anflais?
[09:19] <kediv> je n'arrive pas a trouver mes dd
[09:19] <kediv> ouai avec du mal
[09:19] <Burgundavia> kediv, cafuego move to #ubuntu-fr please
[09:19] <cafuego> Burgundavia: Hey, I exhausted my knowledge of french <heh>
[09:19] <iceman> whats best way to update mirrors ...
[09:20] <Burgundavia> iceman, what is the issue you have?
[09:20] <glickinator> k3b is hot!
[09:20] <kediv> je debute sous linux
[09:20] <iceman> want to install kde ...
[09:20] <Burgundavia> iceman, and you cannot find kubuntu-desktop?
[09:20] <Burgundavia> iceman, I assume you have searching in synpatic for it?
[09:21] <iceman> typed apt-get install kubuntu-desktop no luck
[09:21] <joh> iceman: use synaptic to change repositories.
[09:21] <romm3r> where is the open ssh server config file ?
[09:21] <glickinator> hehe it crashed
[09:21] <Burgundavia> iceman, can you paste your sources.list in #flood please?
[09:21] <iceman> how to get source list ?
[09:21] <joh> romm3r: /etc/ssh/ ?
[09:22] <kediv> merci @+
[09:22] <Burgundavia> iceman, ok, open synaptic
[09:23] <iceman> opened it ..
[09:23] <Burgundavia> settings-->repos
[09:24] <iceman> cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] /
[09:24] <glickinator> k3b kept crashing
[09:24] <glickinator> so
[09:24] <glickinator> correction
[09:24] <glickinator> cdrecord rocks!
[09:24] <Burgundavia> iceman, open the text editor
[09:24] <glickinator> hehe
[09:24] <phxguy> can someone help me out.... My linux wont Boot
[09:24] <Burgundavia> iceman, and hit open
[09:25] <Burgundavia> phxguy, you running hoary or breezy>
[09:25] <iceman> k
[09:25] <phxguy> Im running hoary
[09:25] <Burgundavia> iceman, now hit ctrl-l
[09:25] <joh> iceman: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:25] <Burgundavia> and type /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:25] <iceman> k
[09:25] <cafuego> excess flood?
[09:26] <phxguy> I just did an Update from synaptic now I get the Erro "Kernal Panic - not syncing VFS; unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[09:26] <Burgundavia> now paste that into flood
[09:26] <Burgundavia> phxguy, known bug
[09:26] <phxguy> Burgundavia, so how do i get back to my previous system
[09:26] <drummer87> glickinator, i have a sata hdd at /dev/sda .. dvd-rw at /dev/hda .. and dvd at /dev/hdb. in fstab the type column for hda has this: 'udf,iso9660' is this right?
[09:27] <Burgundavia> phxguy, can you do 'dpkg -l libc6\*'
[09:27] <glickinator> drummer87, use auto
[09:27] <phxguy> no again my system doesn't boot at all
[09:27] <Burgundavia> oh, crap
[09:27] <ivan> what package provides mplex
[09:27] <phxguy> i get the above kernel panic
[09:27] <glickinator> 'auto'
[09:27] <iceman> ok putting in flood ...
[09:27] <Burgundavia> phxguy, did you have any debian repos enabled?
[09:28] <phxguy> nope no debian repos at all
[09:28] <Burgundavia> phxguy, marilliat? hoary-extras?
[09:28] <phxguy> i did the 386 and 686 kernel updates from synaptic
[09:28] <Burgundavia> hoary-backports?
[09:28] <joh> phxguy: try booting your old kernel
[09:28] <phxguy> nope none of those either
[09:28] <iceman> pasted all source lists file in flood
[09:29] <Burgundavia> iceman, you are running warty, you need to upgrade to hoary to get kubuntu-desktop
[09:29] <Burgundavia> iceman, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyToHoary
[09:29] <phxguy> joh, I have tried all the kernels i have listed and they all give the same kernal panic
[09:29] <phxguy> im in crappy windoze @ the moment
[09:29] <Burgundavia> iceman, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes/view?searchterm=upgrade
[09:29] <joh> phxguy: hmm, and all you did before was a dist-upgrade?
[09:30] <phxguy> Burgundavia, i do have hoary-backports in my sources list
[09:30] <Burgundavia> joh, known bug https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11135
[09:30] <phxguy> joh yup from synaptic too
[09:30] <Burgundavia> phxguy, which sections, do you remember?
[09:30] <iceman> ? no apt get command to upgrade ?
[09:30] <sebastyan> anyone have any idee why Evolution does not work under Ubuntu ??
[09:30] <Burgundavia> iceman, you need to edit your sources, and then apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:30] <Raskall> if I use split to split a file, do I just use cat to merge them together?
[09:30] <sebastyan> every time ask for a password ( because he say is bad )
[09:30] <phxguy> Burgundavia, what do you mean .. which sections?
[09:30] <sebastyan> but my password is 100% good
[09:31] <Burgundavia> phxguy, main, universe, etc.
[09:31] <phxguy> oh I have all the default repos and hoary backports is all
[09:31] <glickinator> xfce4 uses some nice fonts
[09:31] <glickinator> by default
[09:31] <Burgundavia> phxguy, did you enable all the sections of the backports? main, restricted, universe and multiverse
[09:31] <glickinator> real nice on the eyes
[09:32] <phxguy> i think it was just main and maybe universe
[09:32] <Burgundavia> ok
[09:32] <joh> Burgundavia: ah
[09:32] <Burgundavia> phxguy, if you read the bug I posted, there is a fix in comment 4
[09:32] <Burgundavia> joh, why backports are a bad thing
[09:32] <iceman> updateing
[09:33] <joh> Burgundavia: yes
[09:33] <phxguy> im checking it out now
[09:34] <Burgundavia> joh, what baffles me is why they are breaking
[09:34] <runge> hi. where would I be able to download breezy?
[09:34] <joh> Burgundavia: as far as I can see from that bug report is that some got a newer version of glibc
[09:35] <iceman> humm try restart ...
[09:35] <benplaut> runge: are you sure you want to? it is very unstable
[09:35] <Burgundavia> joh, but I cannot see a new version in backports
[09:35] <joh> Burgundavia: not backports, but ubuntu sid
[09:35] <joh> Burgundavia: (see last comment)
[09:35] <Burgundavia> joh, 2nd to last is me
[09:36] <phxguy> Burgundavia, ok sorry i think you mentioned it already but where is the fix??
[09:36] <joh> Burgundavia: ah :)
[09:36] <df00z> Hey. Laptops that use the i830G graphics chipset, with the LCD scaling and whatnot..is that supported by the i830G driver?
[09:36] <df00z> If I switch to 640x480 I just get a box in the middle of my screen
[09:36] <joh> Burgundavia: the people posting this bug has not posted their sources.list nor dpkg -l libc6\*?
[09:37] <runge> benplaut, I have tried gentoo and ubuntu to try to install it on a HP Proliant DL145 server. none of them can handle the scsi.I thought I might try to see if _any_ linux dists can fix it
[09:37] <runge> benplaut, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36640&highlight=hp+dl145
[09:37] <joh> phxguy: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11135#c4 try that
[09:38] <AMCDeathKnight> How would I copy a dvd; I need to get rid of everything but the main movie, how would I do this to fit onto a 4 gig dvd
[09:38] <iceman> shoot ... dang aptget ... just want kde ...
[09:38] <benplaut> runge: installing breezy won't help anything... and they are in the middle of switching to GCC4.0 right now... wait until a preview is released to update
[09:39] <Burgundavia> joh, I just added the ubuntu backports and I don't see it there
[09:39] <phxguy> joh, I thought breezy was really buggy right now
[09:39] <joh> Burgundavia: must be debian sid main then
[09:39] <joh> phxguy: yes it is :P
[09:39] <Burgundavia> phxguy, breezy is, I am running it
[09:39] <Burgundavia> joh, might be, but that would be mad
[09:39] <AMCDeathKnight> How would I copy a dvd; I need to get rid of everything but the main movie, how would I do this to fit onto a 4 gig dvd
[09:39] <joh> phxguy: but the initrd-tools works it seems.
[09:39] <AMCDeathKnight> Using Linux
[09:39] <runge> benplaut, hmm. any ideas on what I should try to get it working?
[09:39] <phxguy> so then why would i want to wget breezy package of initrd-tools
[09:39] <joh> Burgundavia: I know!
[09:39] <Burgundavia> and phxguy has hit it with having sid
[09:39] <phxguy> ah okay
[09:40] <benplaut> runge: no idea... try google linux search and see if other people have, and have solved the problem
[09:40] <joh> phxguy: could you post your sources.list in #flood?
[09:40] <AMCDeathKnight> Please help
[09:40] <Burgundavia> joh, his mahcine won't even boot right now
[09:41] <phxguy> joh i can't read my linux drive in Windows
[09:41] <runge> benplaut, bin there, done that. though thanks for trying to help :)
[09:41] <joh> phxguy: if you're on windows, you can use explore2fs to read ext2/3 filesystems...
[09:41] <joh> Burgundavia: I know
[09:41] <phxguy> do you have alink to d/l it
[09:41] <Burgundavia> phxguy, you can boot with a live cd, and give us your sources.list
[09:41] <AMCDeathKnight> How would I copy a dvd; I need to get rid of everything but the main movie, how would I do this to fit onto a 4 gig dvd
[09:41] <benplaut> runge: welcome to the community... you have a foothold ahead of many newbies becuase you have heard of google :)
[09:41] <Burgundavia> phxguy, if we can get a good sources.list for the bug report
[09:41] <phxguy> yeah but i dont have a live CD anymore i dont think
[09:41] <drummer87> glickinator, still doesn't work.. could the kernel upgrade have something to do with it? seems like a bit too much of a coincidence
[09:42] <Burgundavia> benplaut, that is not how we deal with new people are here
[09:42] <runge> benplaut, hehe
[09:42] <joh> phxguy: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm
[09:42] <iceman> got to be a good walkthrough for upgrading ...
[09:42] <Burgundavia> iceman, what issues have you run into?
[09:42] <iceman> just trying to update .. to get kde ..
[09:43] <herpes> AMCDeathKnight, dvdshrink
[09:43] <AMCDeathKnight> for linux?
[09:43] <df00z> DVDshrink works in wine
[09:43] <drummer87> hmm glickinator's left.. can anyone else help me? CDs & DVDs aren't mounting right for me, could it have something to do with updating the kernel from hoary-security?
[09:43] <Church_of_FoamY> how to install from cedega-4.3-1.i386.deb?
[09:44] <joh> iceman: you have already been given a howto, but I repeat http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[09:44] <AMCDeathKnight> ok; and for the actual copying, will gnomebreaker work?
[09:44] <gorilla_> Church_of_FoamY, you mean you have that file already downloaded?? if so dpkg -i  cedega-4.3-1.i386.deb
[09:44] <Church_of_FoamY> yes
[09:44] <eugene> Any body that can help me with streaming media on ubuntu?
[09:45] <joh> benplaut: are you the owner of bug #11135?
[09:45] <phxguy> joh, where should i paste my source.list
[09:45] <joh> phxguy: #flood please
[09:45] <benplaut> Burgundavia: sorry... [quote="the shrimp from finding nemo] I am ashamed[/quote] 
[09:45] <benplaut> joh: yup...
[09:45] <gorilla_> Church_of_FoamY, in which case that command, after my question is correct :-)
[09:45] <Burgundavia> ben_d, cheers
[09:45] <Church_of_FoamY> i did that but it said there where errors while prossong
[09:45] <Church_of_FoamY> prosessing
[09:45] <joh> benplaut: great, could you please post your sources.list to the report?
[09:46] <drummer87> someone? anyone??
[09:46] <benplaut> joh: sure... just a sec
[09:46] <AMCDeathKnight> will dvd decrytter work in wine?
[09:46] <phxguy> ok i pasted it there
[09:46] <phxguy> i have some nerim.net repos in there
[09:47] <joh> phxguy: and backports!
[09:48] <phxguy> joh, Come to think of it it was the Backports  (upgradable section in synaptic where i got the kernal upgrades from
[09:48] <joh> phxguy: ouch, that explains it.
[09:48] <phxguy> Ok so if follow what comment #4 says i should be able to get back into my system?
[09:49] <drummer87> well, is it OK to force the old kernel version in synaptic? (2.6.10-34 as opposed to 2.6.10-34.1)
[09:49] <Burgundavia> phxguy, kernel upgrade from backports?
[09:49] <benplaut> joh: OK, it's up there
[09:49] <iceman> ayway to select all upgrades ?
[09:49] <Burgundavia> iceman, yep
[09:49] <iceman> ? how ?
[09:49] <joh> benplaut: ok, thanks
[09:50] <Church_of_FoamY> how do i fix dependancy problems
[09:50] <Church_of_FoamY> cedega won't install it's missing something
[09:50] <joh> Burgundavia: ok, seems we've found the problem. It's with the backports repositories
[09:50] <benplaut> drummer87: yup... but you have to reboot 1 or 2 times afterwords to get everything to work correctly again... not sure why
[09:50] <joh> Burgundavia: didn't know they provided kernels? :S
[09:50] <Burgundavia> joh, I don't think so
[09:50] <Burgundavia> joh, both of our targets have a debian sid repo in their srouces
[09:51] <Burgundavia> benplaut, found your error
[09:51] <benplaut> Burgundavia: ?
[09:51] <Burgundavia> benplaut, that debian repo you had fubared your system
[09:51] <joh> Burgundavia: not as I can see?
[09:51] <benplaut> aaah
[09:51] <Burgundavia> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://debian.bootsplash.de
[09:51] <Burgundavia> apt-cache policy libc6
[09:52] <benplaut> is IRC acting a bit weird?
[09:52] <drummer87> benplaut, so all could work fine after a couple of reboots with the new kernel version (ie CDs mounting properly again)?
[09:52] <Burgundavia> nah, just freenode
[09:52] <joh> netsplit :(
[09:52] <Burgundavia> this one is bad
[09:52] <benplaut> drummer87: probably
[09:53] <Burgundavia> odd, only #ubuntu is seeing it
[09:53] <joh> benplaut: so the sources.list you posted was the sources.list after you fixed the problem?
[09:53] <benplaut> third time's a charm
[09:53] <lilo> problems?
[09:53] <benplaut> joh: i never fixed it... i just reverted to the kernel on the hoary install CD
[09:53] <drummer87> benplaut, thanks.. i'll wait n see if it irons itself out before forcing the old version
[09:54] <toresbe> bob2: please kick KaRizMa_
[09:54] <toresbe> bob2: spamming
[09:54] <joh> benplaut: ok, can you confirm where you got the broken kernel from?
[09:54] <lilo> we seem to be picking up their home channel
[09:54] <toresbe> lilo: you might be able to do this
[09:54] <benplaut> joh: the security update posted by ubuntu-security
[09:54] <lilo> toresbe: what are the specifics?
[09:54] <bob2> toresbe: where?
[09:54] <joh> benplaut: are you absolutely sure?
[09:55] <toresbe> bob2: in a /msg, it's getting names from here
[09:55] <lilo> toresbe: I noticed some heavy activity on the channel and our automation seems to be picking up a bunch of clonebots
[09:55] <Burgundavia> joh, benplaut there is no broken kernel, as long as don;t have a newer libc
[09:55] <lilo> (removing them)
[09:55] <lilo> hmmm
[09:55] <joh> Burgundavia: ok
[09:55] <toresbe> oh, ok
[09:55] <mindmedic> totem spyware :) http://twoday.tuwien.ac.at/static/mindmedic/images/gnome%20is%20watching%20you_smaller.jpg
[09:55] <benplaut> yeah... that's it
[09:55] <lilo> toresbe: what was the nick?
[09:55] <joh> benplaut: any other upgrades before your system broke? libc?
[09:55] <phxguy> Recovery Mode doesn't Even boot
[09:55] <phxguy> :(
[09:56] <iceman> wow 14 gig ... ok .. that helped ..
[09:56] <cafuego> The worst thing about a new mobo is that the ide controller needs anew driver, so you need to build a kernel on a non-DMA system. Yarrgh.
[09:56] <benplaut> joh: not that i can remember...
[09:56] <bob2> eugene: plase don't /msg people
[09:56] <Burgundavia> joh, libc would have been pulled in the instant that he added that repo
[09:56] <toresbe> 09:53 <KaRizMa_> Sex Sex  (url)
[09:56] <lilo> thanks
[09:56] <joh> Burgundavia: yes, and the libc conflicts with initrd-tools then?
[09:56] <lilo> yup, that's one of the old timey spambots
[09:56] <iceman> thanks ... i'm new .. and admit it ...
[09:56] <joh> Burgundavia: i.e. initrd-tools won't run properly on the new libc?
[09:57] <iceman> i used linux in redhat 5.2 .. and mandrake 7 ... it has growen ...
[09:57] <toresbe> iceman: it has :)
[09:57] <mindmedic> iceman, so very true
[09:57] <iceman> cant stand the mandrake 10 bloat ...
[09:57] <phxguy> Do I type exactly what is shown on Comment 4 of the bug report
[09:58] <wolverian> hello all. is it common that totem-xine uses a _lot_ of CPU to play .ogm files?
[09:58] <joh> benplaut: which version of libc?
[09:58] <phxguy> wget breezy package of initrd-tools doesn't seem right to me
[09:58] <benplaut> joh: just a sec... i'll check
[09:58] <joh> phxguy: if it works, why not?
[09:58] <iceman> nic thing .. it has my cd of kubuntu in the install list ... ;)
[09:58] <AMCDeathKnight> I got dvd shrink and got Wine
[09:58] <AMCDeathKnight> So; how do i open it
[09:58] <AMCDeathKnight> and install and run it
[09:59] <mindmedic> AMCDeathKnight, just wine your_setup.exe
[09:59] <iceman> i just can't stand the gnome desktop ... it bugs me ..
[09:59] <benplaut> joh: package named libc?
[09:59] <AMCDeathKnight> ok
[09:59] <joh> benplaut: libc6
[09:59] <mindmedic> AMCDeathKnight, tell me if it works.. wanted to check dvdshrink out myself
[09:59] <Burgundavia> 2.3.5, specifically
[10:00] <phxguy> seems like it would be easier to just copy my home folder and reinstall
[10:00] <joh> benplaut: dpkg -l libc6\*
[10:00] <AMCDeathKnight> Invoking
[10:00] <joh> Burgundavia: and how did that get in there? the backports?
[10:00] <DaveQB-work> there's apparently a DVDshrink native app on Linux now
[10:00] <iceman> at least that found the kde packages ...
[10:00] <Burgundavia> joh, nope, from http://debian.bootsplash.de
[10:00] <phxguy> joh, the backports is actually on the ubuntuguide
[10:00] <AMCDeathKnight> cant do
[10:00] <AMCDeathKnight> failure
[10:00] <DaveQB-work> check out doom9.org linux forums sticky
[10:00] <benplaut> joh: 2.3.5-0ubuntu1
[10:01] <Burgundavia> joh, the backports are crazy, but not that crazy
[10:01] <joh> Burgundavia: oh
[10:01] <mindmedic> DaveQB-work, thanx
[10:01] <joh> Burgundavia: hehe, :P
[10:01] <joh> benplaut: ok, that's your problem then
[10:01] <AMCDeathKnight> That sucks
[10:01] <DaveQB-work> mindmedic  np
[10:01] <Burgundavia> benplaut, you have official ubuntu package???
[10:01] <AMCDeathKnight> I really need to burn a dvd
[10:01] <iceman> anyone know the link to the complete walkthrough of the nvidia driver install ?
[10:01] <Burgundavia> benplaut, you running breezy?
[10:01] <joh> Burgundavia: no, hoary
[10:01] <Burgundavia> iceman, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:01] <joh> Burgundavia: he posted his sources.list on the bug report
[10:01] <benplaut> Burgundavia: nope... but i had a debian source on there from something or other...
[10:02] <Burgundavia> benplaut, but a debian source shouldn't give an ubuntu package
[10:02] <DaveQB-work> exit
[10:02] <DaveQB-work> oops
[10:02] <mindmedic> hey AMCDeathKnight , check this out: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=a0fc29d8c6076efe44a46dd7e8379a96&threadid=91078
[10:02] <benplaut> Burgundavia: clueless... but it mentioned another possible one in force version
[10:03] <joh> Burgundavia: that is strange indeed.
[10:03] <benplaut> that would have to remove half my system to install
[10:03] <Burgundavia> benplaut, what does apt-cache policy libc6
[10:03] <Burgundavia> give you?
[10:03] <mpq> I can't figure out how to get azureus to work
[10:03] <benplaut>  apt-cache policy libc6
[10:03] <benplaut> woops
[10:03] <benplaut> libc6:
[10:03] <benplaut>   Installed: 2.3.5-0ubuntu1
[10:03] <benplaut>   Candidate: 2.3.5-0ubuntu1
[10:03] <benplaut>   Version table:
[10:03] <benplaut>  *** 2.3.5-0ubuntu1 0
[10:03] <benplaut>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[10:04] <benplaut>      2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 0
[10:04] <benplaut>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[10:04] <iceman> looks like my version is a bit outdated ...
[10:04] <Burgundavia> what???
[10:04] <mpq> I can't figure out how to install java
[10:04] <Burgundavia> that baffles me now
[10:04] <iceman> my ubuntu cd's
[10:04] <joh> Burgundavia: yeah! jeez
[10:04] <mpq> I don't know where to install java
[10:05] <benplaut> i think i really messed up my system back when i was trying to make it "cool"
[10:05] <Burgundavia> mpq, ubuntuguide has some info
[10:05] <Burgundavia> benplaut, trust me, stick with official sources, plus the backports stuff
[10:05] <AMCDeathKnight> im lost
[10:05] <benplaut> Burgundavia: i think i'm in for a reinstall in a week or two...
[10:05] <benplaut> should solve a bunch of problems
[10:05] <Burgundavia> benplaut, hope you seperated your /home
[10:06] <AMCDeathKnight> Can someone lead me through this, step by step im a noob
[10:06] <AMCDeathKnight> http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=a0fc29d8c6076efe44a46dd7e8379a96&threadid=91078
[10:06] <Burgundavia> benplaut, and drop all the crackish other stuff
[10:06] <benplaut> Burgundavia: yup... and daily backups
[10:06] <joh> benplaut: did you ever try any breezy sources at all?
[10:06] <benplaut> joh: yes, to install one package
[10:06] <benplaut> initrd-tools... becuase i read that i would need it to fix my kernel problems
[10:06] <iceman> nice ... guess i'' burn new version of the cd ...
[10:07] <joh> benplaut: oh, but not any breezy sources *before* the system broke?
[10:07] <benplaut> nope
[10:07] <iceman> see what reboot does ?
[10:07] <benplaut> just in the quest to fix it
[10:07] <joh> benplaut: ok
[10:07] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, do you ever sleep
[10:07] <benplaut> for some reason, gnome is breaking on me :s ?!
[10:07] <AMCDeathKnight> Can someone lead me through this, step by step im a noob
[10:07] <AMCDeathKnight> http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=a0fc29d8c6076efe44a46dd7e8379a96&threadid=91078
[10:07] <joh> Burgundavia: any idea where that libc6 package came from?
[10:08] <joh> benplaut: install your old libc6 package?
[10:08] <Seveas> joh, apt-cache policy libc6 can show you
[10:08] <benplaut> joh: when i force version, it demands to uninstall about 200 packages...
[10:08] <Burgundavia> joh, the version he has on his system is from May 12, which was a failed build on some arches, fi they pulled the source
[10:08] <joh> Seveas: benplaut's system said not
[10:08] <Seveas> AMCDeathKnight, that tutorial is wrong
[10:08] <joh> Burgundavia: oh
[10:08] <Burgundavia> Seveas, this is a good bug, never seen it before
[10:08] <Seveas> AMCDeathKnight, simply sudo apt-get install wine winecfg
[10:09] <joh> benplaut: oh, :(
[10:09] <Seveas> Burgundavia, i'll have to read back then, i just woke up :)
[10:09] <benplaut> i think i'm going to, as soon as school is out, spend a weekend and reinstall my system
[10:09] <Burgundavia> Seveas, somehow, a new version of libc6 got on these peoples system, which make the kernel not boot
[10:10] <Burgundavia> Seveas, the version benplaut has apparently came from our sources
[10:10] <Seveas> hmm, the discussion start too early, gone out of my xchat buffer already
[10:10] <Burgundavia> also, another person also had similar errors
[10:10] <joh> :P
[10:10] <Burgundavia> they both had debian sid repos
[10:10] <Seveas> Burgundavia, kernel not booting due to libc6 errors is neither related to kernel nor to libc6
[10:10] <iceman> shoot .. still no kde ...
[10:10] <Seveas> it's a problem with the initrd in the last kernel security upgrade
[10:11] <Burgundavia> so I assumed it was that, until I saw the results of the apt-policy
[10:11] <Seveas> are these people on amd64..?
[10:11] <Burgundavia> Seveas, Right.  It seems so far with the people I've spoken to that somehow they got a
[10:11] <Burgundavia> newer copy of glibc on their Hoary systems.
[10:11] <Burgundavia> Seveas, the only people having this bug are those with new libc6
[10:11] <iceman> how to change to kde ... from gnome ... not showen in sessions list ?
[10:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> about how much electricity am i wasting leaving on my p4 system all day instead of turning it off when i go to work, and at night?
[10:11] <Burgundavia> that is what makes it so bafflying
[10:12] <Seveas> Burgundavia, which version of libc6 is that?
[10:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone have a rough guess?
[10:12] <Burgundavia> Seveas, 2.3.5
[10:12] <Seveas> hmm
[10:12] <joh> Burgundavia: as far as I can see, the new initrd and libc6 doesn't like eachother
[10:12] <Seveas> on hoary?!?
[10:12] <Burgundavia> yep
[10:12] <mpq> how do I open ports?
[10:12] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, about 500$ per year
[10:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> i mean..am i wasting 25 a day or a lot more?
[10:12] <benplaut> BROKEN_LADDER: put it in suspend-to-ram... uses much less power
[10:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> benplaut then when i resume, my audio stuff, like jackd, is all screwed up.
[10:13] <iceman> how to reconfig to boot to kde ?
[10:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> this is a recording computer.
[10:13] <Seveas> Burgundavia, have you figured out how they got it (breezy,backports,others?)
[10:13] <benplaut> ahhh
[10:13] <mpq> how do I open ports?
[10:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> icebalm sudo apt-get install kde
[10:13] <Burgundavia> Seveas, no common link yet
[10:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> iceman i mean
[10:13] <Seveas> mpq, you don't need to
[10:13] <Burgundavia> Seveas, except for really screwy sources
[10:13] <hyphenated> BROKEN_LADDER: more like kubuntu-desktop ;-)
[10:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> hyphenated uh..no
[10:13] <mpq> then how do I set up azureus?
[10:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> hyphenated i just installed kde and it worked fine.
[10:13] <Burgundavia> Seveas, I suspect that there are several vectors, and most of the them are debian sid mirrors that people added
[10:14] <mpq> the port it uses doesn't work
[10:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> hyphenated but kde sucks.
[10:14] <Seveas> mpq, install java and run azureus
[10:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> iceman did you hear that?  kde sucks
[10:14] <mpq> I did
[10:14] <mpq> the bittorrent port doesn't work
[10:14] <Burgundavia> BROKEN_LADDER, please be quiet and stop being rude and insulting
[10:14] <iceman> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[10:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> Burgundavia i don't know what to say.
[10:14] <Burgundavia> iceman, you running synaptic
[10:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> Burgundavia i'm actually just being funny.  you should look into it.
[10:15] <Burgundavia> BROKEN_LADDER, I don't really care what you think about kde, keep it to yourself
[10:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> Burgundavia it sucks.
[10:15] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, stop creating noise, this is a help channel.
[10:15] <hyphenated> iceman: you _can_ just install kde, but you're better off installing the kubuntu-desktop metapackage, because it has all the neat stuff in it
[10:15] <iceman> from a term ?
[10:15] <joh> iceman: are you still having problems with kde?
[10:15] <benplaut> joh, Burgundavia: i'm going to bed (coming around 10:00)... if you need anything else form me, just ask in the bugzilla report
[10:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> and i told iceman how to install kde
[10:15] <joh> benplaut: ok, nite
[10:15] <Burgundavia> benplaut, np
[10:15] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, you told him the wrong way
[10:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> Seveas no it's not.  i used it.  it worked.
[10:15] <[Chameleon] > BROKEN_LADDER: I personally use GNOME, but I'd prefer that you not spew a bunch of garbage in the channel.
[10:15] <Seveas> the kde metapackage is in universe, kubuntu-desktop in man
[10:15] <Seveas> main
[10:15] <Burgundavia> Seveas, iceman had warty, and thus no kubuntu
[10:16] <Burgundavia> Seveas, so I was getting him onto hoary first
[10:16] <Seveas> Burgundavia, than kde will be buggy anyhow
[10:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> why would anyone use kubuntu?
[10:16] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, stop creating noise, this is a help channel.
[10:16] <joh> Burgundavia: I gave iceman the wiki wartytohoary update, don't know if he read it.
[10:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> Seveas are you a bot?
[10:16] <omV0> hi
[10:16] <Seveas> hi omV0
[10:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> Seveas i helped him by telling him how to install kde.  i installed kde in this way and it worked and was easy.
[10:16] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, you told him the wrong way
[10:16] <Burgundavia> iceman, only one program can install stuff at anyone time. Thus apt-get and synaptic both be running
[10:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> wrong how?
[10:16] <Seveas> the kde metapackage is in universe, kubuntu-desktop in main
[10:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> it worked perfectly.
[10:17] <omV0> last night my computer restarted while i was away (i had some processes running so it was bad).. this is the 2nd time this happened in a month.. how can i check what causes it to restart?
[10:17] <Seveas> some people prefer only stuff in main
[10:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> what is the point of kubuntu?
[10:17] <Seveas> omV0, check the logfiles in /var/log
[10:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> as opposed to just installing kde for those who wish to choose it at the gdm?
[10:17] <hyphenated> BROKEN_LADDER: the entire purpose of it is to give you something to be annoyed about. really, it's all about you
[10:17] <Burgundavia> BROKEN_LADDER, kubuntu is kde done in an Ubuntu style
[10:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> hyphenated that doesn't answer my question.
[10:18] <Seveas> omV0, /var/log/syslog and /var/log/kern.log will probably give you most insight
[10:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> Burgundavia but ubuntu style is so ugly.  why would anyone want to do that?
[10:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay g'night folks.
[10:18] <omV0> thanks seveas!
[10:18] <joh> finally
[10:18] <Burgundavia> iceman, how is that upgrade coming?
[10:18] <Seveas> Burgundavia, can I pm you for a sec?
[10:18] <Burgundavia> Seveas, sure
[10:21] <mindmedic> lol, he thought with "ubuntu style", you were referring to the colors
[10:22] <Burgundavia> Ubuntu is more than just colours
[10:22] <omV0> Seveas: for some reason the syslog's first entry is after the first time the computer started after the restart.. what does that mean?
[10:22] <Seveas> omV0, that it's been cycled on restart
[10:22] <Seveas> try syslog.0
[10:22] <Seveas> that's the older log
[10:23] <omV0> "May 26 04:18:05 localhost exiting on signal 15"
[10:23] <Seveas> thats SIGTERM
[10:24] <Seveas> anything before that?
[10:24] <Seveas> or in kern.log?
[10:24] <mpq> how do I open ports with a router?
[10:25] <omV0> nothing special in kern.log but about 10 minutes before the signal 15 error i get May 26 04:12:30 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdd, sector 64
[10:25] <omV0> and May 26 04:12:30 localhost kernel: isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=hdd, iso_blknum=16, block=16
[10:25] <iceman> synaptic sucks trying to install all patchs for kde
[10:25] <Seveas> sounds like a bad thing happening on hdd
[10:25] <Seveas> and 4:20 is when all cron.daily cronjobs are run
[10:26] <Seveas> omV0, anything in /var/log/debug.0 or /var/log/daemon.log.0?
[10:26] <omV0> Seveas- i hope it's not a ResierFS problem.. i used this hdd without problems under NTFS for over a year.. do you think it's a physical problem on the hdd or a filesystem problem?
[10:27] <iceman> any way from a terminal to upgrade ... synaptic is sucking ..
[10:27] <Seveas> omV0, i wouldn't know
[10:27] <Seveas> iceman, upgrade from warty to hoary?
[10:27] <Seveas> iceman: One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[10:27] <iceman> cammand for it
[10:27] <iceman> does newer cd have it ?
[10:28] <omV0> Seveas: May 26 04:12:10 localhost kernel: PCI: cache line size of 128 is not supported by device 0000:00:03.3
[10:28] <omV0> from debug
[10:28] <iceman> i'll download the newer cd .. if thats faster ?
[10:29] <Seveas> iceman, will be equally fast and installing will take longer
[10:29] <iceman> not if is make is a bit easier to start off ..
[10:30] <mpq> damn firewall
[10:30] <mpq> fucking up bittorrent
[10:30] <iceman> anyone have mirrors for 5.10 download
[10:30] <Seveas> iceman, same for 5.04
[10:30] <mpq> and I don't have a clue how to open the ports
[10:30] <Seveas> but read the topic
[10:30] <mpq> I don't think I can
[10:30] <Seveas> breezy is quite unstable atm
[10:30] <omV0> Seveas: all daemon says is "starting crash recovery" but it doesn't give me anything about the crash
[10:30] <Seveas> mpq, ah you installed firestarter?
[10:31] <mpq> I don't even know what that is
[10:31] <mpq> it's the router
[10:31] <omV0> Seveas: is there a tool to check for bad sectors on the hdd?
[10:31] <Seveas> omv0 hmm, maybe you should stay awake one night then to see what happens ;)
[10:31] <omV0> hehe
[10:31] <mpq> I need to open ports but I don't know how and I don't even think I can
[10:31] <Seveas> omV0, you can use fsck
[10:31] <Seveas> mpq, ah a router
[10:31] <Seveas> reas your routers manual
[10:32] <mpq> I can't change any router settings
[10:32] <mpq> because someone lost the password
[10:32] <snowseal_> ffs, nautilus wont let me copy paste a file
[10:32] <Seveas> mpq, most routers have a hard reset switch
[10:32] <mpq> seveas: that's not an option
[10:33] <Seveas> mpq and you cannot open ports without fiddling with the router
[10:33] <mpq> other people use it and it would screw up their computer
[10:33] <iceman> ok .. ill finish downloading and install 5.04 ..
[10:33] <iceman> 15 minute download ... may take 20 to install
[10:34] <snowseal_> idiotic, i can only paste a file on the map-icon
[10:34] <iceman> at least it might eliminate part of the hassel
[10:35] <iceman> heck might as well get 5.04 and 5.10
[10:37] <Fator_Dee> hello
[10:37] <snowseal_> hai
[10:39] <envel> is is safe to upgrade xorg-6.8.2 to xorg provided by hoary update?
[10:41] <Fator_Dee> envel: do you mean when upgrading from warty to hoary?
[10:41] <Fator_Dee> or what do you mean
[10:46] <m00gle> hello everyone :)
[10:49] <eskaypey> ey
[10:49] <eskaypey> trying to not start x on boot
[10:49] <envel> Fator_Dee: no, i mean security update from hoary to hoary;-)
[10:49] <eskaypey> tried update-rc.d -f remove gdm
[10:49] <Seveas> eskaypey, chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm
[10:50] <Fator_Dee> envel: I think security upgrades are quite... safe
[10:50] <Fator_Dee> at least they *shoud* be
[10:50] <Fator_Dee> *should
[10:50] <envel> A few days ago i upgraded xorg and ... that's all... it didn't work...
[10:50] <Fator_Dee> try to reconfigure it
[10:50] <Fator_Dee> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-zorg
[10:51] <Fator_Dee> *xorg
[10:51] <Fator_Dee> a day of typos :-\
[10:51] <envel> no way, i've reinstalled system alreade
[10:51] <Fator_Dee> oh
[10:51] <envel> already
[10:51] <envel> no more breezy packages:-)
[10:51] <Fator_Dee> usually x-problems are caused just by a misconfigured conf-file
[10:51] <Fator_Dee> so you shouldn't have to reinstall, just edit the config
[10:52] <m00gle> i'm new to ubuntu, just installed  it. so i'm a n00b please be gental :)
[10:52] <envel> "Fixed font not found"
[10:53] <Seveas> envel, then fix your xorg.conf :)
[10:53] <Seveas> (known issue in breezy)
[10:53] <eskaypey> Seveas: i mean when ubuntu starts, i dont want it go streight to gnome but terminal
[10:53] <zer> can i tell apt-get to install a package even if dependencies seems to be broken?
[10:54] <Seveas> zer, yes
[10:54] <s1amson> anybody have a HP WLAN 54G w450 Network adapter
[10:54] <s1amson> that works :)
[10:54] <Seveas> s1amson, isn't that just atheros?
[10:54] <envel> when i upgraded kernel to 2.6.10-34.1... i had to reinstall system because i've not found a way to downgrade kernel correctly:-)
[10:55] <s1amson> no clue, im asking for a buddy. he just gotta lappy from a buddy and is thinking about installing *nix but before wasting time on an install, it'll be helpful to know if the card works
[10:55] <Seveas> envel, there was no easy way(amd64 i guess?)
[10:55] <Seveas> s1amson, i have an hp laptop, it has an atheros chip
[10:55] <envel> upgrading initrd-tools to breezy helped
[10:55] <s1amson> i think its a broadcom chip
[10:55] <zer> Seveas: I can't find an option in the man-page :-/
[10:56] <Seveas> s1amson, which type of laptop is it?
[10:56] <Seveas> zet apt-get --force ?
[10:56] <s1amson> well, google returns it as broadcom... but the returns im getting are from like 2k3
[10:56] <Seveas> zer*
[10:58] <s1amson> hp pavillion ze5700
[10:58] <envel> i don't understand why they share kernel update, when it doesn't work without package from next unstable version??
[10:58] <zer> Seveas: E: Kommandozeilenoption --force wird nicht verstanden (isn't understanded)
[10:58] <zer> Seveas: I know that dpkg has options for this but apt-get?!
[10:58] <Seveas> zer, hmm, i must be mixing up then...
[10:58] <bob2> envel: what are you talking about?
[10:58] <Seveas> envel, this was a very rare error that they fixed yesterday
[10:59] <Seveas> bob2, the kernel security upgrade caused intrd madness on some systems
[10:59] <Seveas> initrd*
[10:59] <bob2> right
[11:00] <bob2> but it doesn't require "package from next unstable version"
[11:00] <Seveas> s1amson, if it is a broadcom chip, you will need ndiswrapper to get it to work
[11:00] <Seveas> bob2, that's one solution
[11:00] <s1amson> thought so
[11:00] <Seveas> the other is reinstalling
[11:00] <Seveas> because it causes other kernels to no longer work too
[11:00] <bob2> it's not fixable without reinstalling?
[11:00] <bob2> surely booting the livecd orwhatever anf regenerating the initrd is enough
[11:00] <Seveas> bob2, well, boot from livecd + chroot + force-downgrade of krenel...
[11:01] <bob2> right
[11:01] <Seveas> regenerating intrd did not work
[11:01] <bob2> not that it doesn't suck, of course
[11:01] <s1amson> okies. thx Seveas
[11:02] <rixth> Whenever I try to play a wmv file it comes out really bad (I got the mplayer codecs). http://spectrumenterprises.org/wmv.jpg Any ideas?
[11:03] <rixth> Whenever I try to play a wmv file it comes out really bad (I got the mplayer codecs). http://spectrumenterprises.org/wmv.jpg Any ideas?
[11:04] <rixth> (I'm using totem-xine)
[11:04] <Seveas> rixth, please don't repeat. If someone knows an answer (s)he'll tell you
[11:05] <rixth> Seveas, I ment to paste it in #mplayer, sorry!
[11:05] <rixth> meant* Eugh. Excuse me.
[11:06] <bob2> the file looks broken
[11:07] <rixth> bob2, DRM
[11:07] <bob2> ouch
[11:08] <iface> Is there anyone whocan tell me how to install my nivida geforce 4 graka correctly?
[11:09] <bob2> "graka"?
[11:09] <iface> grafic card :)
[11:10] <m00gle> can anyone tell me how to fix my screen res. im stuck in 640x480 with no other choices it's very annoying! i can't see to fix anything.... :(
[11:10] <iface> or graphic card ... ;)
[11:10] <bob2> m00gle: intel or nvidia card?
[11:10] <bob2> iface: you don't need to do anything
[11:10] <eskaypey> how do i completely remove gnome? i want to install xfce and make it my default
[11:11] <SJKirk> hello, can anyone help me? ubuntu hangs with a brown screen after the logon screen
[11:11] <m00gle> bob2: a radeon8500 actually
[11:11] <bob2> m00gle: odd
[11:12] <bob2> SJKirk: does it affect other users?
[11:12] <eskaypey> SJKirk: how fast your processor?
[11:12] <zoner_> SJKirk, can you get a terminal login?
[11:12] <zoner_> :)
[11:12] <iface> so, i use cedega to play warcraft 3 under ubuntu. everything looks fine, but the game is absolutly slow. i think everything is calculated by the cpu and not by the graphic card.
[11:12] <SJKirk> all: not sure what processor probably 400mhz? i only have one user, yes i can get terminal logon
[11:13] <SJKirk> it's an intel i810 gfx card
[11:13] <zoner_> SJKirk, have you messed with the login settings?
[11:13] <zoner_> SJKirk, like .. tried to move your home dir?
[11:14] <SJKirk> nope, this is from a fresh install
[11:14] <m00gle> i know the ati support for linux blows goats that said how do i fix this
[11:14] <eskaypey> i run ubuntu on 233mhz and its clearly not enough to comfortably run gnome so it hanged couple of times
[11:14] <zoner_> SJKirk, that's odd :)
[11:14] <SJKirk> gnome won't even start. I have left it a whole day just to make sure!
[11:15] <cafuego> m00gle: go to the shop for an nvidia card?
[11:15] <zoner_> SJKirk, hehe. It *is* supposed to boot instantly. There is no hidden "spare time" feature :P
[11:15] <zoner_> SJKirk, I'll just browse the forums for you
[11:15] <zoner_> brb
[11:16] <SJKirk> i found this: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23252.html
[11:16] <SJKirk> but that seems to relate to nvidia cards
[11:16] <m00gle> cafuego: planning to asap but i have no cash at the moment
[11:17] <cafuego> m00gle: The 8500 should run OK with the free drivers afaik.
[11:17] <zoner_> SJKirk, it says something about acpi too?
[11:17] <zoner_> SJKirk, "I had to disable acpi? during the install and everything worked perfect."
[11:17] <SJKirk> yes, i haven't tried that because i was hoping to not have to go through the reinstall...
[11:17] <SJKirk> what effect will disabling acpi have on my system?
[11:18] <zoner_> no clue ;)
[11:18] <m00gle> cafuego: so it's a driver problem then you think ?
[11:18] <SJKirk> heh, i might just bite the bullet and try it then
[11:18] <zoner_> hehe
[11:18] <SJKirk> only prblem is ubuntu takes AGES to install compared to fedora
[11:19] <zoner_> SJKirk, maybe you also could try change the X-server ?
[11:19] <zoner_> SJKirk, maybe svga will run
[11:19] <cafuego> m00gle: Check that the agp driver is loaded as wella s the radeon driver. then 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and choose 'radeon' or 'ati' when asked.
[11:20] <dmoyne> hello I have a question regarding the way to set private system variables for users ; any one to help ? ; thanks
[11:20] <m00gle> cafuego: ok i'll give it a try
[11:21] <SJKirk> Zoner: how do I do that
[11:21] <SJKirk> ?
[11:22] <zoner_> uhmm. hehe. I am a debian newbie ;)
[11:23] <zoner_> SJKirk, dpkg-reconfigure sounds right
[11:23] <dmoyne> I set the following variable : export GENJdata_HOME=$HOME/Genj through my .bash_profile file in $HOME domain ; it worked fine but now it no more works ; I think there is a bug somewhere (Kuser crashing !)  ; where is the problem ?
[11:23] <zoner_> SJKirk, you would need to find a common base for the x-server and choose another X-server package
[11:23] <zoner_> SJKirk, just a sec . I will try to find it for you
[11:23] <sebastyan> can enyone help em with SMEG ?????
[11:24] <sebastyan> please !
[11:24] <sebastyan> i see some invisibble menus and i cannot make them visible
[11:24] <sebastyan> how can i do this ?
[11:24] <pro> fuct i tell you..... fuct.......
[11:25] <zoner_> SJKirk, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 perhaps?
[11:25] <SJKirk> hmmm, s'okay i will try reintall without acpi first, thanks!
[11:25] <Fator_Dee> xserver-xorg if he is on hoary
[11:26] <zoner_> ah yes
[11:26] <zoner_> thanks Fator_Dee :)
[11:26] <Fator_Dee> np
[11:26] <zoner_> SJKirk, I hope it works out for you
[11:26] <SJKirk> cheers guys, you've been a big help!
[11:26] <zoner_> SJKirk, thanks .. have fun
[11:27] <sebastyan> anyone ... help ?
[11:28] <dmoyne> where is the best place to install private variables for users ?
[11:28] <Seveas> sebastyan, poke Amaranth when he's awake
[11:28] <sebdc> sebastyan look at the topic! comin with your question! :p
[11:28] <Jimmothy> is there a command to reboot? like from the menu except my menu isn't working
[11:28] <Seveas> sebdc, he asked already :)
[11:28] <sebastyan> thuis is my question :(
[11:29] <Seveas> Jimmothy, sudo reboot (from a terminal)
[11:29] <sebastyan> need some help with Gnome menu
[11:29] <Jimmothy> ta
[11:29] <Seveas> sebastyan, poke Amaranth when he's awake, Amaranth created smeg
[11:29] <sebastyan> okay
[11:29] <sebdc> Sevaes can I at all watch dvd without an Nvidia-card in my pc?
[11:30] <Seveas> sebdc, yes
[11:31] <sebdc> Sevaes even changing the Bios 64 MB back to 32 MB and running TOP TO BOTTOM doesn't make any diff.
[11:33] <Seveas> sebdc, what is the problem then..?
[11:33] <sebdc> Sevaes Ihad trouble installing the codecs even when I did everyting according to the wiki-pages, is this normal
[11:33] <we2by> ny one here use mp3 format files?
[11:34] <zer> we2by: mp3 files? sure
[11:34] <sebdc> Sevaes the dvd runs but sound is not in time and it stops: to man y frames dropped as a Xine-error
[11:34] <we2by> mp4 files
[11:35] <Remenic> in what package can I find the man pages for C functions?
[11:35] <Remenic> I installed glibc-doc, but the man pages are still missing
[11:35] <sebdc> Sevaes did not try increasing -nice any experience with that?
[11:36] <Seveas> sebdc, is dma enabled for your drive
[11:36] <Seveas> Remenic, manpages-dev
[11:36] <hyphenated> Remenic: manpages-dev
[11:36] <Remenic> thnx :)
[11:36] <Seveas> try also: manpages-posix and manpages posix-dev
[11:36] <Remenic> will do
[11:36] <sebdc> Sevaes How do I check that?
[11:37] <Seveas> oh and if you like manpages: asr-manpages and funny-manpages are good too :)
[11:37] <Seveas> sebdc, sudo hdparm -d /dev/hdc (assuming hdc is your drive)
[11:37] <Seveas> you set it with sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[11:40] <sebdc> Sevaes http://pastebin.com/289972 I've put the results there
[11:41] <Seveas> seems to be ok
[11:45] <MM2> what distro to use as a www server?
[11:46] <MM2> ubuntu is not designed to use as a server, I have heard
[11:46] <hyphenated> MM2: doesn't mean you can't use it for that
[11:47] <hyphenated> Seveas: those man pages are pretty good
[11:47] <Kumar> MM2, Ubuntu is suitable for both desktop and server use.  - citate from ubuntu site =)
[11:48] <thoreauputic> MM2: which distro do you supposed the ubuntu website runs on ? ;-)
[11:48] <Choubaka> MM2: The expert install of Ubuntu is basically just the base system.
[11:48] <sebdc> Sevaes the xine-pages to wich the wiki refers in case of trouble suggest: engine.buffers.video_num_buffers:500  to a higher value (e.g. 1000 or 2500). I that going to change anyting
[11:48] <Choubaka> Then you can configure it for a server. :)
[11:49] <pschulz01_> MM2: You will definitely enjoy having the same system on both your server and workstation..
[11:49] <Raskall> I was so stupid to "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop". This installed a whole lot of kde-stuff. Now I want to get rid of everything (except k3b). any tips on a quick and dirty way to remove every kde-related item? (I can reinstall k3b afterwards)
[11:51] <thoreauputic> sudo apt-get remove kdelibs
[11:51] <sebdc> Raskall uninstall using the synaptic package manager
[11:52] <Raskall> sebdc: how do I find and mark all relevant packages? or are they under one category?
[11:52] <sebdc> raskaal i'll check!
[11:53] <thoreauputic> hmm actually kdelibs is just a metapackage, sorry
[11:54] <MM2> Hmm... then I'll move my www server from debian to ubuntu...
[11:54] <Seveas> thoreauputic, install debfoster
[11:54] <Seveas> you can prune kubuntu-desktop with that
[11:54] <Seveas> (prune = remove and remove all dependencies no other program needs)
[11:54] <thoreauputic> Seveas: I was trying to help Raskall - nut yes, debfoster would help him
[11:54] <Seveas> ehm yeah sorry :)
[11:55] <Seveas> Raskall, those lines were for you
[11:55] <sebdc> Raskall under ubuntu-desktop let me check relevanties!
[11:55] <Seveas> debfoster is so cool for these things :)
[11:56] <Atholas> Raskall, I think if you mark kubuntu-desktop for uninstall, it will uninstall all the packages that came with it.
[11:56] <Choubaka> It won't.
[11:56] <Atholas> Doesn't it?
[11:56] <Fator_Dee> nope
[11:56] <Fator_Dee> that won't work with metapackages
[11:56] <Raskall> Seveas: thanx. :) I'll install debfoster and rtfm. :) thanx
[11:56] <Choubaka> It could be made so, but it would be stupid.
[11:57] <Fator_Dee> metapackage depends on other packages but the other packages won't depend on the metapackage
[11:57] <Choubaka> if they did, installing qtlibs would install all of kubuntu-desktop
[11:57] <Seveas> :)
[11:58] <Choubaka> and trying to remove all the crap would force you to remove qtlibs too.
[11:58] <sebdc> Raskall1 automatic updat cappability is lost if ubuntu-desktop is de-installed, thats all!
[11:58] <Raskall> by the way: I discovered pdumpfs the other day. An excellent way to back up a home system to an external disk. It amazed me in its power and simplicity.
[11:58] <Choubaka> sebdc: well, not really. :D
[11:58] <Raskall> sebdc: ok, so I will have to run "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" manually?
[11:58] <Choubaka> just your ubuntu-desktop will not get extra software automatically.
[11:58] <sebdc> Choubaka what do you mean :p
[11:59] <Choubaka> sebdc: apt-get upgrade will still work
[11:59] <Atholas> If only all these nice little utilities are also in kubuntu...
[11:59] <Seveas> they  are Atholas
[11:59] <Atholas> Even auto update?
[11:59] <Seveas> Raskall, sebdc is talking nonsense
[11:59] <Choubaka> kubuntu and ubuntu are not separate.
[11:59] <Choubaka> they're the same .)
[11:59] <Seveas> he does not understand what you want to do
[11:59] <Choubaka> just a different default set of packages.
[12:00] <jim__> Hi guys!
[12:00] <Atholas> But auto update doesn't work for KDE, does it?
[12:00] <Choubaka> of course it does.
[12:00] <Seveas> Atholas, sure it does
[12:00] <Choubaka> the auto-update doesn't depend on gnome OR KDE.
[12:00] <Seveas> you just need at least anacron and update-manager installed
[12:00] <Seveas> and both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-dektop depend on these
[12:01] <jim__> I'm very new to Linux
[12:01] <jim__> I thought I'd give it try via ubuntu
[12:01] <Choubaka> jim__: Welcome to our world.
[12:01] <jim__> I have a question
[12:01] <Atholas> Usually I'd just apt-get update; apt-get upgrade, but auto update is making me really lazy and for a minute I thought i can't use it in KDE
[12:01] <sebdc> Sevaes yep that is why I listen is so often; but the synaptic package manager didn't worn me for any other concequences!
[12:01] <spike> hi there
[12:01] <jim__> (several actually, but I'll start with one, if that's ok?)
[12:01] <Seveas> jim__, read the topic: just ask :)
[12:01] <Seveas> ask all you want
[12:01] <spike> anybody here moved his/her servers from debian to ubuntu?
[12:02] <Seveas> spike, well, the ubuntu guys did, all ubuntu.com/ubuntulinux.org etc... servers run Ubuntu :)
[12:02] <Choubaka> spike: You know, with Sarge being released anytime now, I see no benefit of moving a working debian server to ubuntu. :)
[12:03] <Atholas> Seveas: that's strange. The update notifier that sits in the gnome-panel would disappear if I go to KDE :(
[12:03] <jim__> I managed to burn a copy of ubuntu 5.04 add-on
[12:03] <jim__> I've tried to run it but it doesn't seem to work.
[12:03] <Choubaka> jim__: hmm.
[12:03] <Choubaka> what add-on?
[12:03] <Seveas> jim__, the packages on the add-on cd can be downloaded too
[12:04] <Seveas> the add-on cd is meant for people with no or slow internet access
[12:04] <Raskall> but I have tried to install "cpufreqd" via apt-get, but when I do that, apt wants to remove the packages powernowd and ubuntu-desktop. The first one should be ok to remove, but why does it insist on removing ubuntu-desktop?
[12:04] <Choubaka> Raskall: ubuntu-desktop depends on powernowd
[12:04] <spike> Choubaka: security patches for sarge is one imho. and don't tell me there's a team for it. I know, but they aren't actively working on it, they're still in a pre-check phase
[12:04] <Seveas> Raskall, you do not need cpufreqd
[12:05] <jim__> Well, it's burned now and I'm trying to run it but it gives me an error message
[12:05] <Choubaka> Raskall: I assime powernowd does what cpufreqd would.
[12:05] <Raskall> Seveas: someone told me it works better with laptops than powernowd.
[12:05] <Seveas> and ubuntu-desktop is a matepackage, it's ok to remove it
[12:05] <Choubaka> assume*
[12:05] <Choubaka> :P
[12:05] <Seveas> Raskall, hmm, that someone is wrong :)
[12:05] <Seveas> cpufreqd works fine on my centrino
[12:05] <spike> Choubaka: and from an adminin point of view ubuntu release cycle looks easier to deal with
[12:06] <jim__> Can't I simply right click the install.sh file and "run in terminal"?
[12:06] <Choubaka> spike: Your choice. :)
[12:06] <Seveas> jim__, no
[12:06] <Choubaka> I run FreeBSD on my server just because. :D
[12:06] <Seveas> that would say "access denied" or something
[12:06] <jim__> seveas: ok but I've gone the manual route and that didn't seem to work either
[12:06] <eskaypey> Seveas: can you point me to the linky or give me directions if i want to remove gnome and make xfce default
[12:06] <Choubaka> jim__: manual route?
[12:06] <Seveas> jim__, can you paste the error mesage on ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[12:07] <Seveas> eskaypey, sudo aptitude install xfce4
[12:07] <jim__> I can certainly try
[12:07] <thoreauputic> jim__: try " sh install.sh" in the directory it's in
[12:07] <Seveas> eskaypey, and use debfoster to prune gnome-desktop
[12:07] <zkruw> howto make a folder shortcut?
[12:07] <Seveas> zkruw, ln -s /path/to/folder
[12:07] <zkruw> thx
[12:07] <Seveas> do that in the folder where you want the shortcut
[12:07] <Choubaka> that's not a shortcut.
[12:08] <Choubaka> or well, it is
[12:08] <Choubaka> but it's a symbolic link
[12:08] <zkruw> no. but that was what i meant :)
[12:08] <Seveas> there are no windows-like shortcuts on linux (thank god)
[12:08] <zer> you can also us nautilus for doing a shortcut :)
[12:08] <Choubaka> slightly different what people consider a shortcut :)
[12:08] <Raskall> Seveas: ok.. :) I take your word for it. :)
[12:08] <zkruw> iknow this is better
[12:08] <zkruw> much better
[12:08] <zoner_> what do you guys think of nautilus?
[12:09] <zoner_> I find it confusing ;)
[12:09] <Seveas> nautilus is ok
[12:09] <hhurtta> zoner_: does its job
[12:09] <Seveas> but i switched off spatial mode :)
[12:09] <Choubaka> I don't use any file manager :P
[12:09] <zkruw> yeah, what else to use :)?
[12:09] <eskaypey> Seveas: ok thanx i'll try that
[12:09] <Choubaka> zkruw: bash :D
[12:09] <zoner_> Seveas, How did you do that?
[12:09] <Seveas> zkruw, rox-filer ?
[12:09] <hhurtta> zoner_: read the manual and things are suddenly clearer
[12:09] <thoreauputic> rox filer is nice
[12:09] <zoner_> hehe
[12:09] <zoner_> hhurtta, thanks ;)
[12:09] <topyli> zoner_: what confuses you? perhaps you need to configure it "just so you like it"
[12:09] <zkruw> i like nautilius after changing some settings :)
[12:09] <Choubaka> I never quite understood rox-filer
[12:09] <Seveas> zoner_, file->preferences->behaviour->always open in browser windows
[12:10] <Fator_Dee> like we use to say, RTFM
[12:10] <Choubaka> it's not intuitive.
[12:10] <zoner_> lol
[12:10] <jim__> The problem is that I don't know what the hell I'm doing.
[12:10] <jim__> :D
[12:10] <zoner_> well.. now I am getting used to spatial mode
[12:10] <Seveas> Choubaka, there's always bash as filemanagere :)
[12:10] <thoreauputic> Choubaka: each to his own :)
[12:10] <Choubaka> I want to be able to understand basic features of GUIs without RTFM'ing :)
[12:10] <Choubaka> Seveas: yeah.
[12:10] <jim__> My mind is still in Windblows mode
[12:10] <Choubaka> but rox-filer is... confusing.
[12:11] <thoreauputic> jim__: it gets easier :)
[12:11] <jim__> thoreauputic: I'm banking on it!
[12:11] <topyli> jim__: it will pass :)
[12:11] <julien_> hi guys
[12:12] <zoner_> humm.. now I am getting confused from the browser mode in nautilus
[12:12] <Choubaka> jim__: Hint: just don't be afraid of the command line.
[12:12] <jim__> I really like the envioronment it's just gettng used to the crucial "little" things, like how to install and network and the like
[12:12] <Choubaka> If you are willing to learn the basics, you'll love it :D
[12:12] <topyli> zoner_: it's the power of unix. it can confuse you in a thousand ways!
[12:12] <julien_> can someone help me
[12:12] <julien_> ??
[12:12] <julien_> I'm just a newbie
[12:13] <Seveas> julien_, just ask your question
[12:13] <Choubaka> julien_: possibly, if we knew what to help you with.
[12:13] <jim__> julien_: I'm a noob too
[12:13] <julien_> how change the screen resolution??
[12:13] <julien_> I've just the choice between  three resolution
[12:13] <Seveas> julien_, system->preferences->screen resolution
[12:13] <jim__> system > preferences > screen resolutions
[12:13] <julien_> oki
[12:13] <julien_> I known it
[12:14] <Seveas> if that doesn't work->sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:14] <julien_> but how i can choose a higher resolution??
[12:14] <Seveas> if that doesn't work->sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:14] <zoner_> hehe
[12:14] <julien_> oki
[12:14] <Seveas> that will let you choose between more resolutions
[12:14] <julien_> oh
[12:14] <zoner_> julien_,  you can also try hitting CTRL +
[12:14] <julien_> oki
[12:15] <zoner_> CTRL ALT + I mean
[12:15] <julien_> oki
[12:15] <zoner_> old X trick ;)
[12:15] <jim__> Maybe I should just observe.
[12:15] <Seveas> jim__, you can learn a lot by reading along here
[12:15] <jim__> right, I think I'll stand passively by
[12:16] <zoner_> jim__, why? just pretend you a whizzard like the rest of us ;)
[12:16] <zubuntu> hi folks :)
[12:16] <Seveas> lol zoner_ :)
[12:16] <jim__> zoner: lol
[12:16] <zoner_> jim__, I mean .. I also pretend :>
[12:16] <Seveas> hi zubuntu
[12:16] <julien_> thx
[12:16] <julien_> i will try
[12:16] <zubuntu> Hi Seveas, how are you going bro :)
[12:17] <jim__> right now I fiddle with Linux for a couple of hours a day and then throw in my windows hdd
[12:17] <jim__> I can't do it all at once.
[12:17] <jim__> I'm overwhelmed.
[12:17] <NicP> throw out your win hdd ;)
[12:17] <zubuntu> throw in my windows hdd? why not just format it ? :p
[12:18] <zubuntu> or give it to rabbits :)
[12:18] <jim__> I need my os to do too many things which I can't do from scratch with linux.
[12:18] <NicP> for example?
[12:18] <zubuntu> yeah, for example?
[12:18] <zoner_> hehe
[12:19] <jim__> network my home computers, synchronize work files, etc.
[12:19] <zubuntu> you can!
[12:19] <NicP> any real reasons?
[12:19] <NicP> ;)
[12:19] <zubuntu> lol
[12:19] <Seveas> network home computers: samba/nfs
[12:19] <jim__> NicP: ya, time.
[12:19] <thoreauputic> jim__: you just need to read some howtos :)
[12:19] <Seveas> synchronizing: rsync
[12:19] <NicP> fair enough
[12:19] <zubuntu> your girfriend is a blonde maybe?
[12:19] <NicP> lol
[12:19] <zubuntu> lol
[12:20] <jim__> thoreauputic: that's what I do when I'm in Linux mode.
[12:20] <julien_> i've reconfigured xserver
[12:20] <NicP> i have found that im, irc and stuff like that are way better on linux
[12:20] <NicP> but i still think evolution sucks :(
[12:20] <julien_> and must i reboot my machine to get changes??
[12:20] <zubuntu> sure
[12:20] <jim__> I know Linux can do everything Windows can. The trick is figuring out how.
[12:20] <NicP> nope
[12:20] <thoreauputic> jim__: the ubuntu wiki is a good place to browse
[12:20] <Seveas> NicP, there's always thunderbird or mutt :)
[12:20] <jim__> In Windows there's a wizard for everything.
[12:20] <zoner_> NicP, yeah. evolution sucks
[12:20] <jim__> It's dummy proof.
[12:21] <NicP> yeah but thunderbird calander sucks
[12:21] <NicP> more than evolution calander
[12:21] <r0d> thats soo totally true jim__
[12:21] <zoner_> jim__, are you saying you are a dummy , then?
[12:21] <jim__> zoner: yup.
[12:21] <jim__> :D
[12:21] <NicP> and i need a calander otherwise i dont turn up to classes or exams
[12:21] <thoreauputic> jim__: linux can do more than windows, in almost any case
[12:21] <r0d> windows is for non-computer ppl
[12:21] <jim__> thoreauputic: I believe it.
[12:21] <NicP> you jsut have to program it yourself ;)
[12:21] <jim__> NicP: "just" ;)
[12:21] <Seveas> windows has its benefits too
[12:21] <zoner_> jim__, it is hard to have windows as a "hobby"
[12:22] <NicP> lol
[12:22] <julien_> it doesn't work
[12:22] <Seveas> it helped me make lots of money troubleshooting other peoples PC's
[12:22] <jim__> zoner: good point.
[12:22] <Raskall> I want to use breezy... *sob*
[12:22] <NicP> i was looking at macs
[12:22] <NicP> they are pretty cool running unix and all
[12:22] <Seveas> now i gave them ubuntu and i'm broke :|
[12:22] <r0d> Seveas,  easy thats it. i administer a windows network. and its easy to do, but not as much control as I'd like
[12:22] <NicP> its like all the joys of linux without having to manually configure and compile everything
[12:22] <sebdc> Who knows something about: Try setting engine.buffers.video_num_buffers:500  to a higher value (e.g. 1000 or 2500)
[12:22] <jim__> ubuntu has been the most effecient distro I've used.
[12:22] <NicP> same
[12:22] <NicP> out of 2
[12:22] <NicP> lol
[12:23] <Raskall> NicP: what is your point? Everything on my laptop, my wifes laptop, my server and my step daughters computer works and I havent compiled a thing.
[12:23] <zubuntu_thereal> i was disconnected :( my 56kb (theorically) sucks :'(
[12:23] <jim__> (I still think Windows has the cutting edge fonts-wise)
[12:24] <jim__> (even windows fonts in linux don't look 1/2 as good)
[12:24] <topyli> NicP: did you manually configure and compile everything on ubuntu? ;)
[12:24] <Seveas> jim__, well, the ubuntu fonts are nicer imho :)
[12:24] <thoreauputic> I went to a "Computer Fair" recently: *everything* was Windows: I kept looking at the prices and thinking "I already have a program to do that"
[12:24] <zubuntu_thereal> i love (shame on me) sans serif!
[12:24] <jim__> seveas: wow, ok.
[12:24] <zoner_> jim__, humm .. try searching for "font" in synaptic ?
[12:25] <r0d> theirs one think i cant do on linux and thats compile text into animated voice
[12:25] <r0d> *thing
[12:25] <thoreauputic> jim__: you can also change the antialias settings and hinting settings if you wish
[12:25] <Seveas> r0d, there are text-to-speech programs
[12:25] <jim__> thoreauputic: in "fonts" right?
[12:25] <r0d> Seveas, does it sound like a robot?
[12:26] <Seveas> dunno, didn't try them :)
[12:26] <topyli> r0d: sure you can. blind people use linux too you know
[12:26] <jim__> Font Preferences, I mean
[12:26] <Seveas> r0d, but festival has been reported to rock :)
[12:26] <thoreauputic> jim__: hmm - I think there's a point-and-click thing for it in gnome, yeah
[12:26] <mindspin> Can anybody tell me why I should not compile programs by myself?
[12:26] <r0d> topyli,  i know but the voices i heard sound like robots..
[12:26] <Seveas> mindspin, because ubuntu packages are integrated with the system and have good QA
[12:26] <thoreauputic> jim__: there's also /etc/default/local/fonts or similar
[12:26] <julien_> I can't still change my screen resolution!!!
[12:26] <topyli> r0d: oh, that's what you ment by "animated"?
[12:26] <r0d> Seveas, sweet, thx. thats about the only thing i still compile on windows
[12:27] <jim__> zoner: you mean Synaptic Package Manager?
[12:27] <julien_> is there other way to change it??
[12:27] <zoner_> jim__, yup
[12:27] <r0d> Seveas, do you program at all?
[12:27] <mindspin> and when I can#t find the application i want in the repositorys?
[12:27] <Seveas> julien_, yes, by manually editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:27] <Seveas> julien_, spot the resolutions and add yours to that section
[12:27] <julien_> i'll try it
[12:27] <Seveas> mindspin, then you should compile it :)
[12:27] <mindspin> and is this still an argument after activating universe in apt-sources.list?
[12:28] <zoner_> jim__, there are people who are font-fanatics. You'll prolly see *millions* of font-packages ;)
[12:28] <topyli> mindspin: then you get the source and make your own package
[12:28] <r0d> anyone here use c# on linux?
[12:28] <thoreauputic> jim__: sorry I meant /etc/fonts/local.conf
[12:28] <topyli> mindspin: and upload it somewhere so others can get it too :)
[12:28] <Seveas> r0d, mono will be much better in breezy
[12:28] <zoner_> r0d, no -- but I am coding java right now?
[12:28] <mindspin> hehe;-)
[12:28] <jim__> i found a number of them in synaptic
[12:28] <Choubaka> Fonts without antialiasing look rather ugly. :/
[12:28] <Choubaka> They shouldn't though.
[12:28] <topyli> mindspin: better yet, maintain the package in universe
[12:28] <Choubaka> I wonder why they do.
[12:29] <jim__> which font is mostly used for crisp clear reading?
[12:29] <mindspin> Ok
[12:29] <zoner_> Choubaka, maybe it is your refresh rate on the screen that is out of sync
[12:29] <Raskall> The world should do with only to fonts: one screen-font and one print-font.
[12:29] <Choubaka> zoner_: huh?
[12:29] <thoreauputic> Vera Bitstream fonts are nice...
[12:29] <mindspin> thats a very binary view of reality
[12:29] <Choubaka> what has refresh rate to do you fonts?
[12:30] <zoner_> Choubaka,  there is a optimal setting for every screen :)=
[12:30] <julien_> i can't open  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:30] <zoner_> Choubaka, well .. I found that my old screen here likes 1024x768 and 75 hz
[12:30] <Choubaka> I repeat: what has that to do you fonts?
[12:30] <Choubaka> with*
[12:30] <Choubaka> :P
[12:30] <julien_> how do u do to edit it??
[12:30] <zoner_> Choubaka, not fonts .. screen and flickering
[12:30] <Seveas> julien_, sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:30] <Choubaka> My screen is fine.
[12:30] <julien_> oki
[12:30] <Choubaka> :|
[12:30] <Seveas> julien_, or are you still on warty?
[12:30] <zoner_> Choubaka, mkay.
[12:31] <julien_> what's warty??
[12:31] <topyli> julien_: the previous ubuntu release
[12:31] <jim__> what was that wizard for networking again?
[12:31] <Seveas> julien_, nevermind ;)
[12:31] <Choubaka> I'm running 1024x768@85Hz
[12:31] <julien_> no
[12:31] <thoreauputic> julien_: what does ` cat /etc/issue ` say ?
[12:31] <r0d> trying to compile festival, theirs TOO many dependencies. coming from gentoo they installed all depends
[12:31] <julien_> i've the last one, i think
[12:31] <jim__> right now, all I want to do is share my internet connection
[12:31] <Seveas> r0d, you don't need to compile festival
[12:31] <julien_> wait
[12:31] <zoner_> Choubaka, sounds like a good choice :)
[12:31] <r0d> huh
[12:32] <jim__> I've got to NIC's in my box and the network is connected to a hub
[12:32] <jim__> sorry
[12:32] <thoreauputic> jim__: for a one-click NAT setup, install "firestarter"
[12:32] <jim__> two nics
[12:32] <topyli> r0d: apt-get install festival
[12:32] <Choubaka> no compiling <3
[12:32] <Seveas> r0d, simply install it from the repositories
[12:32] <jim__> thor: in synaptic?
[12:32] <thoreauputic> jim__: yes, it's in universe I think
[12:33] <r0d> Seveas, yea i been using that. some times it will compile noprob. others it asks for depend. is their a switch that installs all?>
[12:33] <thoreauputic> jim__: firewall config app: very easy and useful
[12:33] <r0d> Seveas, it did work, thx
[12:33] <jim__> i'll give it a shot
[12:33] <Choubaka> r0d: you don't compile stuff on ubuntu
[12:33] <Choubaka> r0d: you install precompiled packages
[12:33] <Choubaka> unlike gentoo.
[12:33] <Seveas> r0d, if you want to manually compile somethin that is in the repositories, use apt-get build-deb [packagename]  to get all build dependencies :)
[12:34] <r0d> right, i'm use to saying that. sorry
[12:34] <r0d> : \
[12:34] <jim__> thor: after I install it where can I find it?
[12:34] <r0d> and its ahella faster. which im lovin
[12:34] <Choubaka> compiling is reserved for the non-newbies.
[12:34] <spinifex> oo bugs galore.  I've just had Konquerer crash while viewing a PDF, Firefox crash when I right-clicked a flash after viewing and closing a few (quite predictably.  It's always the 3rd swf I right-click that does it), and also while viewing a second thing using the mplayer plugin.
[12:34] <jim__> nm, I see it
[12:34] <r0d> Choubaka, compiling isnt really that hard
[12:34] <thoreauputic> jim__: it should be in the internet menu, or type ` sudo firestarter ` in a terminal
[12:34] <Choubaka> r0d: I know.
[12:34] <Choubaka> I do it a lot.
[12:34] <topyli> Choubaka: compiling is reserved for those who require weird software
[12:34] <spinifex> Oh, I have a question.  Is it at all possible, under any desktop environment, to have two sound channels mixed together?
[12:35] <Choubaka> topyli: true :D
[12:35] <jim__> Friggen awesome! Ihope this works
[12:35] <Choubaka> r0d: just, "compiling" on gentoo is not really compiling.
[12:35] <r0d> Choubaka, it was tedious to me. thats y I'm on ubuntu. i sure do miss emerge though :(
[12:35] <spinifex> I mean like, say I want to have a media player and also zsnes or something
[12:35] <topyli> Choubaka: i've compiled maybe two or three packages on ubuntu
[12:35] <Choubaka> it's just automated package installation from sources.
[12:35] <Seveas> spinifex, that's what esd is for
[12:35] <spinifex> how do I get it to work?
[12:35] <Seveas> and by default ubuntu uses esd
[12:35] <Seveas> so it should work ootb
[12:36] <spinifex> when esd is running, sound doesn't work in my media player, zsnes, or web browser
[12:36] <zoner_> spinifex, you would probably have to tweak the esd settings
[12:36] <Seveas> spinifex, teach these programs to use esd then :)
[12:36] <spinifex> I tweaked the settings as it said in the faq
[12:36] <spinifex> how do I do that?
[12:36] <thoreauputic> Seveas: esd has caused me nothing but problems: I wish I could kill it permanently
[12:36] <Choubaka> We all do.
[12:36] <topyli> thoreauputic: you can
[12:36] <Seveas> spinifex, program dependent, usually it means changing config files
[12:36] <Choubaka> ALSA will replace it.
[12:37] <IndigoAK> hrm
[12:37] <spinifex> you can.  in gnome, tell it to not launch a sound server, under the sound options
[12:37] <Choubaka> or rather, dmix will
[12:37] <zoner_> spinifex, I have set "default_options=-unix -promiscuous" to be able to play sound in two different user accounts at once
[12:37] <thoreauputic> topyli: please tell me! I'll be your friend for life ;) !
[12:37] <spinifex> user accounts?
[12:37] <zoner_> spinifex, maybe that will work for two cards?
[12:37] <zoner_> spacey, to gdm logins
[12:37] <spinifex> I don't want to have two cards
[12:37] <IndigoAK> Okay...I'm a complete newbie to Linux...this is the first distro I've ever had in my life...and I can't get the internet to work :/
[12:37] <Seveas> thoreauputic, system->preferences->sound->disable sound server startup
[12:37] <zoner_> two gdm logins even
[12:37] <topyli> thoreauputic: see spinifex's comment ^
[12:37] <Seveas> might be in administration instead of prefs.
[12:38] <julien_> what i change on xorg.conf?
[12:38] <r0d> you know what ubuntu needs, is a  more advanced installer
[12:38] <thoreauputic> Seveas: ah, yes - but in Fluxbox it keeps rearing its head unexpectedly :(
[12:38] <Fator_Dee> julien_: could you care to be more elaborate?
[12:38] <spinifex> hey, um...
[12:38] <topyli> r0d: bah. it's very advanced
[12:38] <romm3r> how do i give a another user ssh permissions?
[12:38] <julien_> excuse
[12:38] <Seveas> thoreauputic, apt-get remove esd?
[12:38] <Seveas> romm3r, all users have ssh permissions
[12:38] <julien_> i want to change my screen resolution
[12:38] <r0d> topyli, not really. it installs inself
[12:39] <IndigoAK> Erm..more specifically...it doesn't seem to work with my network chip...it installs drivers and I set it up with the same DNS, IP, and Gateway I used with windows and it won't connect :/
[12:39] <Seveas> julien_, there is a section in that file containing resolutions
[12:39] <thoreauputic> Seveas: I tried apt-get remove esound-common - it wants to remove half my installation ;-)
[12:39] <spinifex> something weird happened.  I have the option set so you can see the background in your terminal, but it's using the wrong background suddenly!  I see my gnome background in the terminal, even though my real background is different (kde)
[12:39] <Seveas> add your wanted resolution there
[12:39] <julien_> yep
[12:39] <r0d> topyli, i hate having a bloated kernel... and module based...
[12:39] <Seveas> thoreauputic, chmod -x /usr/bin/esd
[12:39] <romm3r> how can i list the users on the system?
[12:39] <holycow> spinifex, haha!
[12:39] <Seveas> :)
[12:39] <thoreauputic> Seveas: I just have everything configured to use dmix/alsa/xine atm
[12:40] <julien_> and i just have to add 1600*1200 between quotes??
[12:40] <holycow> spinifex, i would consider that an 'upgrade'
[12:40] <IndigoAK> o.O
[12:40] <spinifex> upgrade?
[12:40] <thoreauputic> Seveas: aha - that's a good idea! (Why didn't I think of that?)
[12:40] <Seveas> romm3r, system->administration->users & groups
[12:40] <spinifex> no, it's a screwup.  It was working a second ago, and then suddenly glitched
[12:40] <thoreauputic> Seveas: I'll try that
[12:40] <siimo> any ubuntu networking experts?
[12:40] <romm3r> Seveas: terminal?
[12:40] <Seveas> romm3r, no that's menu
[12:40] <Seveas> in the terminal: cat /etc/passwd
[12:40] <romm3r> Seveas: i know, i'm asking how to do it in a terminal
[12:40] <siimo> is it possible to use a router with 1 usb and 1 ethernet connection and add more ethernet ports to it somehow? im already using the single one thats on there and i don't think my linux detects the usb port , this is the router : http://www.dlink.com.au/products/broadband/dsl302g/
[12:41] <topyli> r0d: modules are what make kernels non-bloated
[12:41] <zubuntu_thereal> are apache+php+mysql included in kubuntu by default?
[12:41] <Seveas> zubuntu_thereal, you need to download them from the repositories
[12:41] <zubuntu_thereal> aie :(
[12:41] <r0d> topyli, modules load slow. if you know what you want just make it mono. its good to have some modules i know..
[12:41] <zubuntu_thereal> all of them?
[12:42] <Seveas> zubuntu, yes
[12:42] <topyli> r0d: might be relevant if you reboot all the time
[12:42] <Seveas> how often do you boot..?
[12:42] <r0d> topyli, laptop:)
[12:42] <zubuntu_thereal> IMHO, a linux distro must include at least apache
[12:42] <Seveas> r0d, my laptop has a 2-week uptime
[12:42] <holycow> imho NO
[12:42] <Seveas> and i travel a lot :)
[12:42] <r0d> lol dam
[12:42] <holycow> whats wrong with you?
[12:42] <holycow> ubuntu is a desktop distro, not a fekin server
[12:42] <holycow> jesus
[12:42] <romm3r> zubuntu_thereal: it doesnt take long to download and install
[12:42] <Seveas> zubuntu_thereal, the distro includes it
[12:42] <zubuntu_thereal> it should! :)
[12:43] <topyli> r0d: a custom kernel might indeed save you a few seconds a day then :)
[12:43] <holycow> zubuntu, go back to #fedora
[12:43] <Seveas> zubuntu_thereal, but there is no space on the cd's to put it on
[12:43] <holycow> :)
[12:43] <zubuntu_thereal> apache?
[12:43] <r0d> Seveas, my laptop is always w/out a ac adpator
[12:43] <r0d> cant spell today
[12:43] <holycow> r0d, thats one hell of a batter :)
[12:43] <zubuntu_thereal> sure, but it's about priorities, i think
[12:43] <spinifex> zoner_: I'm gonna try that, promiscuous setting
[12:43] <kestas> why does totem use OSS, but the sounds when I click on icons uses ALSA?
[12:43] <zubuntu_thereal> apache comes first then other stuff
[12:43] <Seveas> zubuntu_thereal, not for ubuntu
[12:43] <r0d> a wardriving  must ;)
[12:43] <holycow> someone ban zubuntu_thereal go troll elsewhere
[12:43] <eruin> urch, I upgraded to linux-image 2.6.10-5-386 in hoary today, and now I can't boot because the kernel panics and says root=/dev/sda1 is invalid!  anyone got pointers as to where I can start fixing this?
[12:44] <Seveas> holycow, that's not a troll...
[12:44] <julien_> Section "Screen"
[12:44] <julien_> 	Identifier	"Default Screen"
[12:44] <julien_> 	Device		"NVIDIA Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600] "
[12:44] <julien_> 	Monitor		"cran gnrique"
[12:44] <julien_> 	DefaultDepth	24
[12:44] <julien_> 	SubSection "Display"
[12:44] <julien_> 		Depth		1
[12:44] <zubuntu_thereal> you mean that the spirit of ubuntu is not that one?
[12:44] <julien_> 		Modes		"1600x1200" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[12:44] <r0d> yikes
[12:44] <julien_> 	EndSubSection
[12:44] <Seveas> julien_, DO NOT PASTE in here
[12:44] <julien_> 	SubSection "Display"
[12:44] <julien_> 		Depth		4
[12:44] <julien_> 		Modes		"1600x1200" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[12:44] <holycow> Seveas, its not even remotely relavent
[12:44] <r0d> easy on the spam buddy
[12:44] <julien_> 	EndSubSection
[12:44] <Fator_Dee> it's too late!
[12:44] <julien_> 	SubSection "Display"
[12:44] <julien_> 		Depth		8
[12:44] <julien_> 		Modes		"1600x1200" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[12:44] <julien_> 	EndSubSection
[12:44] <Fator_Dee> we are flooding!
[12:44] <julien_> 	SubSection "Display"
[12:44] <pschulz01_> siimo: can you plug in a switch to the router..
[12:44] <zubuntu_thereal> holycow, thanks bro, that was not a troll
[12:44] <topyli> aarhg! make it stop!
[12:44] <julien_> 		Depth		15
[12:44] <julien_> 		Modes		"1600x1200" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[12:44] <r0d> DUDE USE A FORM
[12:44] <julien_> 	EndSubSection
[12:44] <julien_> 	SubSection "Display"
[12:44] <Seveas> julien_, LEAVE
[12:44] <julien_> 		Depth		16
[12:44] <siimo> pschulz01, how do i verify that?
[12:44] <Seveas> NOW
[12:44] <julien_> 		Modes		"1600x1200" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[12:44] <julien_> 	EndSubSection
[12:44] <julien_> 	SubSection "Display"
[12:44] <julien_> 		Depth		24
[12:44] <julien_> 		Modes		"1600x1200" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[12:44] <r0d> isnt their a bot in this room?
[12:44] <julien_> 	EndSubSection
[12:44] <julien_> sorry
[12:45] <julien_> but is it good??
[12:45] <julien_> becose it does't work?
[12:45] <Fator_Dee> not an active one by the looks of it
[12:45] <daniels> agh, and I broke it anyway
[12:45] <holycow> julien_, i'm not answering thaton principle
[12:45] <eruin> thanks for hogging the channel, julien.
[12:45] <holycow> julien_, how rude
[12:45] <spinifex> julien_: use a pastebin
[12:45] <julien_> thx guys
[12:45] <Seveas> julien_, i don't think you'll get much help now...
[12:45] <kestas> does anyone know why does totem use OSS, but the sounds when I click on icons uses ALSA?
[12:45] <r0d> holycow, i just got a full house flashback....
[12:45] <Seveas> i for one am ignoring you
[12:45] <holycow> r0d, heh
[12:45] <julien_> i love linux and their fans!!!
[12:46] <eruin> anyone got the slightest idea why the latest hoary kernel would panic saying /dev/sda1 is invalid? I'm viewing it right now through my slax livecd :/
[12:46] <julien_> bye
[12:46] <daniels> zubuntu_thereal: apache is included in our supported seed, and is actively supported for security
[12:46] <r0d> whats linux?
[12:46] <eruin> could it be something wrong with grub?
[12:46] <topyli> julien_: now that you're properly bashed, next time use #flood
[12:46] <zubuntu_thereal> i'm new to ubuntu and i think i understand that it's mainly to introduce other os people to linux, is that its main spirit and philosophy?
[12:46] <holycow> i love retards
[12:46] <daniels> holycow: language
[12:46] <holycow> daniels, k. sorry i'm up too early
[12:46] <Seveas> zubuntu_thereal, one of the goals of ubuntu is to be beginner-friendly
[12:46] <Seveas> zubuntu_thereal, another goal is a no-open-ports by default policy
[12:46] <julien_> yeh
[12:46] <kestas> but that should be the goal of any desktop OS
[12:46] <Seveas> so no servers installed by default
[12:46] <r0d> that it is
[12:46] <spinifex> brb
[12:46] <zubuntu_thereal> Seveas, ok thanks for your patience. I understand
[12:47] <holycow> zubuntu_thereal, i think also the basic idea is to make a clear distinction between desktop and server
[12:47] <kestas> so anyway can anyone help me with my problem I'm having:
[12:47] <kestas> why does totem use OSS, but the sounds when I click on icons uses ALSA?
[12:47] <holycow> zubuntu_thereal, we are talking about debian here, if you need server stuff installing that is super easy, there is no need to mix the two
[12:47] <topyli> zubuntu_thereal: it's just as friendly for experienced users too, there's no discrimination :)
[12:47] <Seveas> kestas, you can change that :)
[12:47] <Choubaka> kestas: because it's set so
[12:47] <r0d> yea i've been having problems with totem too. just about to install mplayer
[12:47] <holycow> zubuntu_thereal, otherwise you get the mess that is every other distro under the sun
[12:47] <kestas> Seveas: where? I checked gconf and man totem, but found nothing
[12:47] <kestas> Seveas: and its not in preferences
[12:47] <holycow> kestas, install totem-xine and remove totem-gstreamer which is default
[12:48] <topyli> holycow: ubuntu is a fine server
[12:48] <holycow> kestas, then install w32 codecs
[12:48] <zubuntu_thereal> ok folks :) I understand
[12:48] <ivoks> hi folks
[12:48] <ivoks> :)
[12:48] <eruin> how do I know the right root option to set in grub? how do I know what hd1,0 corresponds to?
[12:48] <kestas> holycow: why would that help?
[12:48] <zubuntu_thereal> anyway, i'll install apache+php+mysql. I use 'em, I'm a web developper
[12:48] <Seveas> eruin, hd1,0 is hdb1
[12:48] <holycow> kestas totem-gstreamer is a bit flaky, although totem-gstreamer is the future so ...
[12:48] <kestas> holycow: w32 codecs has nothing to do with the method used to output sound, and doesnt gstreamer use esd?
[12:48] <ivoks> kestas: totem uses oss?
[12:48] <eruin> Seveas: I dont have a hdb, but I do have sda1 and hda1
[12:49] <ivoks> kestas: totem uses gstreamer
[12:49] <kestas> ivoks: according to Seveas you can change it to alsa
[12:49] <ivoks> kestas: and gstreamer uses alsa or oss
[12:49] <topyli> ivoks: not my totem :)
[12:49] <kestas> ivoks: totem uses gstreamer or xine-lib
[12:49] <ivoks> topyli: ok, ur is using xine :)
[12:49] <holycow> kestas, not sure, and i'm only mentioning w32 codecs because when i mention totem-xine inevitably the user always complains about not being able to play divx :)
[12:49] <eruin> is there any way to get into my ubuntu environment and install a new kernel  now that I'm stuck in a livecd?
[12:49] <Seveas> kestas, you need to change preferences for gstreamer or xine, the backends of totem
[12:49] <zubuntu_thereal> btw is bittorrent speeder that other downloading managers? (i'm on a dialup modem)
[12:49] <ivoks> yeah
[12:50] <topyli> ivoks: which is sad, because i'd love to use gst
[12:50] <kestas> I see, well Im using totem-xine anyway, and Ive got w32codes
[12:50] <ivoks> topyli: well... use it
[12:50] <kestas> -cs
[12:50] <holycow> kestas, ah! in that case what everyone else said :)
[12:51] <topyli> ivoks: not quite yet, it doesn't support everything i need
[12:51] <kestas> how do you change the xine settings?
[12:51] <kestas> xine-lib rather
[12:51] <thoreauputic> zubuntu_thereal: I don't think bittorrent is much use on dialup
[12:51] <ivoks> kestas: start it :)
[12:51] <r0d> who uses kde on ubuntu?
[12:51] <ivoks> kestas: right click, setup
[12:51] <zubuntu_thereal> thoreauputic, ok thanks :)
[12:51] <kestas> ivoks: xine-*lib*
[12:51] <ivoks> r0d: kubuntu folks :)
[12:52] <topyli> r0d: many people i guess. take a look at #kubuntu
[12:52] <r0d> ivoks thats a really distro?
[12:52] <thoreauputic> r0d: the people in #kubuntu, and some here as well
[12:52] <kestas> I dont want to have to install xine to change the settings but if thats the only way...
[12:52] <r0d> dam i need to googlemore
[12:52] <ivoks> kestas: edit .xine/config then
[12:52] <Seveas> r0d, www.kubuntu.org
[12:52] <r0d> just showing my newbish colors of the ubuntu community
[12:52] <r0d> thx
[12:52] <thoreauputic> r0d: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop :)
[12:52] <ivoks> r0d: ubuntu/kubuntu same thing
[12:53] <ivoks> r0d: but on #kubuntu they will know more than us about KDE
[12:53] <r0d> makes sense. thx
[12:53] <ivoks> kestas:
[12:53] <r0d> i think i like gnome alittle better now. not a pretty, but seems simple
[12:53] <r0d> *as
[12:53] <ivoks> kestas: in .xine/config add:
[12:53] <ivoks> kestas: audio.driver:alsa
[12:54] <kestas> ivoks: nope that didnt do anything Im afraid
[12:55] <ivoks> hm..
[12:55] <holycow> r0d, you can make it as good looking as you want
[12:55] <fawkfirefox> hello
[12:55] <fawkfirefox> anyone here?
[12:55] <holycow> r0d, art.gnome.org or crack open gimp and start creating
[12:55] <kart_> A_Alam: hi! are you at ubuntu ??
[12:55] <holycow> r0d, anything kde can do gnome can
[12:56] <fawkfirefox> ehy fellas..my net is SUPER slow in this os.. and firefox wont connect at all.
[12:56] <fawkfirefox> but irc and the upates work.
[12:56] <A_Alam> kart_, why not?
[12:56] <ivoks> fawkfirefox: reinstall windows then :)
[12:56] <kart_> fawkfirefox: 473 people in room
[12:56] <Grid_block> hey guys i have installed ubuntu on my laptop but i want my WIFI canrd(Broadcom BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN controller) to show up... any help?
[12:56] <holycow> r0d, gnome philosophy doesn't think that everything having a 'crystal' them is actually productive in any sense of th word
[12:56] <Seveas> fawkfirefox, are dns lookups in  firefox slow?
[12:56] <r0d> holycow, seems like that. just everything isnt as shinny:) and karmba is awesome
[12:56] <holycow> philosophy leans ... anyway
[12:56] <fawkfirefox> VERY
[12:56] <fawkfirefox> if not working at all.
[12:57] <Seveas> fawkfirefox: in FF hit ctrl+t to open a new tab. Then type about:config, in the filter section type in ipv in the network.dns.disableIPV6 set the value to true and restart FF.
[12:57] <mjr> Grid_block, there are no linux drivers for broadcom, you'd have to install ndiswrapper
[12:57] <zubuntu_thereal> philosophy (c) me -2005 all rights reserved ! :)
[12:57] <holycow> r0d, lots of shiny on art.gnome.org, but in the end shiny is basically useless imho
[12:57] <Seveas> fawkfirefox, that will solve the FF dns problem
[12:57] <mjr> Grid_block, (just pointing the way, I can't help you with that)
[12:57] <yoor> yo !
[12:57] <Grid_block> Mjr, ok tnx
[12:57] <r0d> holycow, doesnt matter to me really. I use bash more than anything.
[12:57] <ivoks> reconsider zsh
[12:58] <yoor> does anybody know how to print recto verso pages ?
[12:58] <r0d> holycow,  w/ kde thought which i think is kool, is that you can make linux look like mac. im sure you can in gnome too im sure..
[12:58] <Seveas> recto verso..?
[12:58] <eruin> where's the kernel  on archive.ubuntu.com?
[12:58] <Seveas> eruin, yes
[12:58] <zubuntu_thereal> I have a question, a simple one. What can a poor guy using a dial aup modem to be update ?
[12:58] <eruin> Seveas: yer, but where? ;)
[12:59] <holycow> r0d, you can do anything with gnome you can with kde (pretty much, the difference is minute)
[12:59] <fawkfirefox> thank you kin sir!
[12:59] <Seveas> eruin, pool/main/linux-source/
[12:59] <fawkfirefox> kind
[12:59] <yoor> recto verso hmm, 2 page by a sheet of paper
[12:59] <Fator_Dee> zubuntu_thereal: friends? patience?
[12:59] <eruin> cheers
[12:59] <holycow> r0d, the only real difference most peple notice is that kde is shiny and windows like by default, and gnome is mac os like and dull grey
[12:59] <mpq> I just found a website that lets me practice a dvorak layout
[12:59] <Seveas> eruin, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/
[12:59] <zubuntu_thereal> freinds... I'm esperating you will, patience, never
[12:59] <holycow> r0d, right click on the panels and start configuring
[12:59] <yoor> one page printed on the face of the page, and one page printed on the back
[12:59] <fawkfirefox> wait, i think gaim is haveing the same problems..it wont connect.
[12:59] <kestas> I play stuff with xmms, outputting to esd, I play something in xine outputting to esd and it goes to the wrong speakers
[01:00] <jiyuu0> zubuntu_thereal, http://ubuntuguide.org/add-on-cd might be an option (just need to download once and burn into CD)
[01:00] <r0d> holycow,  yea i been doing alittle of that. what i need to do is find some good wiki on gnome
[01:00] <jim__> thoreauputic: after i set up firestarter I get an error message: Failed to start Firewall
[01:00] <jim__> the device eth0 is not ready
[01:00] <jim__> However, when I look in networking eth0 is active.
[01:00] <thoreauputic> jim__: then your card is not configured
[01:00] <kestas> but in xmms it works fine
[01:00] <fawkfirefox> l8r all.
[01:00] <thoreauputic> jim__: it can't find a route I guess
[01:01] <jim__> I have DHCP on all NICs
[01:01] <zubuntu_thereal> I have win32.dll too :)
[01:01] <yoor> if I want to print on both sides of the paper, I have to do it by command line ?
[01:01] <thoreauputic> jim__: are you sure you chose the right interface to start firestarter on?
[01:01] <jim__> the right interface?
[01:02] <ivan> yoor, you have to have a printer that can print on both sides of the paper
[01:02] <thoreauputic> jim__: for instance, I have a ppp0 interface here for the net
[01:02] <eruin> is there a way to get grub to list the hd's it knows?
[01:02] <r0d> whats a good IDE for gnome. I seen blade, but I dont know if i like it.......
[01:02] <snowblink> Hi, pointer to getting quicktime to work on Hoary?
[01:02] <yoor> yeah ivan
[01:02] <yoor> it does
[01:02] <thoreauputic> jim__: maybe your eth0 isn't the right card?
[01:02] <NicP> rod: anjunta?
[01:02] <ivan> yoor, cups can do it
[01:02] <jim__> eth1 is the one that gives me access to the internet
[01:02] <thoreauputic> r0d: have a look at Anjuta maybe
[01:03] <jim__> eth0 is the second card that allows my box to function as a router
[01:03] <thoreauputic> jim__: try configuring that one in firestarter then
[01:03] <r0d> those the two main IDE's?
[01:03] <thoreauputic> jim__: so eth0 is connected to your LAN, right?
[01:03] <yoor> but ivan, where is the option ?
[01:03] <yoor> I couldn't find it
[01:04] <apfelstrudel> Hi
[01:04] <apfelstrudel> einer da ?
[01:04] <yoor> with the web printer manager ?
[01:04] <ivan> yoor, google, i have no idea
[01:04] <yoor> ok =] 
[01:04] <apfelstrudel> Can someone tell me, if the Intel Pro 2200b/g drivers qare integrated into the new ubuntu version ??
[01:04] <zkruw> i want my cdrom and ipod to automount but i dont want them to be icons on the desktop, is this possible to fix?
[01:05] <zubuntu_thereal> apfelstrudel, no! through it away or give it to me :)
[01:05] <apfelstrudel> so i must install the drivers seperatly ??
[01:05] <thoreauputic> snowblink: on the wiki, RestrictedFormats
[01:05] <zubuntu_thereal> what drivers????
[01:05] <jim__> in the wizard when I choose eth0 it says: Please review your choices. The local area and the Internet connected devices cannot be the same.
[01:06] <thoreauputic> snowblink: you need w32codecs
[01:06] <apfelstrudel> zubuntu_thereal: the drivers for Intel 2200 b/g W-Lan adapter
[01:06] <zubuntu_thereal> what the manufacturor says?
[01:07] <thoreauputic> jim__: right: you want to configure eth1 for firewall, and share through eth0
[01:07] <jim__> right
[01:07] <apfelstrudel> don't know, at the moment i use Kanotix, here they are integrated!
[01:07] <GabFP> Hello, I need help since after a kernel update my powerbook does kernel panic on system startup and I would like to use Live CD to reinstall older kernel version... how should I proceed?
[01:07] <kestas> I dont get it, when I play something in xine through esd it plays through the correct speaker. when I play something in totem-xine it plays through the wrong speaker!
[01:07] <kestas> how can that happen?
[01:08] <jim__> "Failed to start firewall. The device eth1 is not ready"
[01:08] <jim__> I don't get it. Eth1 is the one that gives me access to the INternet.
[01:08] <mpq> why am I learning dvorak again?
[01:09] <jim__> I'm connected, so I presume it's ready
[01:09] <thoreauputic> jim__: that message usually means the device isn't configured/active
[01:09] <thoreauputic> hmm
[01:09] <GabFP> Or how can I install .deb on a system from live CD ?
[01:09] <jim__> in Networking both are active.
[01:09] <thoreauputic> jim__: I don't know then, sorry
[01:09] <jim__> No problem, thoreauputic. Thanks for trying
[01:09] <thoreauputic> jim__: I would assume it would recognise your connection
[01:10] <thoreauputic> jim__: it might need the network to be restarted ( just a guess)
[01:10] <jim__> log out?
[01:10] <jim__> reboot?
[01:10] <thoreauputic> jim__: yoou could try bringing the interfaces doen and up again
[01:11] <jim__> I don't understand the language, the interfaces
[01:11] <thoreauputic> jim__: ifdown eth1 would disconnect, ifup connects
[01:11] <thoreauputic> jim__: those would need sudo prepended
[01:12] <calamari_> is there a program or bash command that pauses until a key is pressed?
[01:13] <jim__> thoreauputic: sorry man. I'm a windose fellow struggling to understand.
[01:13] <thoreauputic> jim__: sure, I understand
[01:14] <snowblink> cheers thoreauputic
[01:14] <jim__> should I simply reboot, will that bring the interface down?
[01:14] <jim__> Or do I need to do something else?
[01:14] <thoreauputic> jim__: ifdown ethX is the command to disconnect ethX, ifup ethX brings it back up
[01:14] <thoreauputic> where X is 1 or 0 in your case
[01:15] <jim__> down-up = reboot?
[01:15] <tyler_> Are the .configs ubuntu uses for building kernels posted anywhere?
[01:15] <thoreauputic> jim__: rebooting isn't necesary in linux
[01:15] <jim__> oh
[01:15] <jim__> ok
[01:15] <jim__> so "how" do I bring the interface down and up
[01:15] <jim__> ?
[01:15] <thoreauputic> sudo ifdown (name of interface)
[01:15] <jim__> ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
[01:15] <thoreauputic> sudo ifdown eth1 fo example
[01:15] <jim__> command line?
[01:15] <thoreauputic> ifup is the opposite
[01:16] <thoreauputic> jim__: yup
[01:16] <jim__> told you I'm clueless
[01:16] <thoreauputic> jim__: we've all been there :)
[01:16] <jim__> so do I enter ifdown on terminal?
[01:17] <LazySod> i uninstall bittorrent, and installed bittornado with synaptic, and now i can't open .torrents? what should be done about it?
[01:17] <dooglus> jim__: "sudo ifdown eth1"
[01:17] <thoreauputic> jim__: if you want to stop eth1
[01:17] <jim__> ok
[01:17] <thoreauputic> jim__: sudo ifup eth1  << brings it back up
[01:17] <jim__> sudo ifup eth1
[01:17] <jim__> starts it
[01:17] <jim__> ok
[01:17] <thoreauputic> right
[01:18] <all4n> hey..  doing a  "sudo apt-get install totem-xine" in Hoary should install totem with xine support, right?
[01:18] <GabFP> Is there a way to install a .deb on a installed system from a live CD ?
[01:18] <thoreauputic> all4n: yes
[01:18] <jim__> is there a fast way of bringing up the terminal to enter a command line?
[01:19] <all4n>  thoreauputic: Thats what I thought..  but I'm getting lost dependencies problem..
[01:19] <thoreauputic> jim__: yes, look for terminal in the menu (under system I think)
[01:19] <LazySod> and i installed the "screen keyboard", when clickin on it, nothing happens!
[01:19] <all4n> thoreauputic, should I just paste the problem in here?
[01:19] <thoreauputic> jim__: or right click on  desktop and choose terminal
[01:20] <thoreauputic> all4n: NO
[01:20] <thoreauputic> all4n: use pastebin.com or similar
[01:20] <jim__> thor: should I do ifdown/up for both cards?
[01:20] <thoreauputic> all4n: please don't paste in the channel
[01:20] <all4n> sure..  I wont
[01:21] <jbailey> joh: Are you having the libc6/initrd-tools on Hoary problem?
[01:21] <thoreauputic> jim__: it can't hurt - remember you'll lose the connections until you bring them up again
[01:21] <all4n> thoreauputic, in short it is saying that libxine1 is an unmet dependency
[01:21] <jim__> right, thanks! Here's hoping!
[01:21] <thoreauputic> all4n: do you have universe and multiverse in your sources/repositories ?
[01:22] <kestas> why would totem-xine use a different audio output than xine?
[01:23] <mjr> hmh, I think totem-xine has its own xine config file somewhere, so it might
[01:23] <all4n> thoreauputic, yeah, as far as I know..  its in /etc/apt/sources.list .. ?
[01:23] <thoreauputic> all4n: actually libxine1 is in main, so I can't imagine why it isn't found
[01:23] <thoreauputic> all4n: have you updated/reloaded?
[01:24] <all4n> thoreauputic, yeah, I just tried a 'sudo apt-get update'
[01:24] <all4n> no problems with that
[01:24] <kestas> well according to lsof totem is using /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p (alsa)
[01:24] <kestas> it should be using an esd socket
[01:24] <thoreauputic> all4n: are you sure your sources list is OK?
[01:25] <all4n> I can paste at that paste-place you just mentioned
[01:25] <thoreauputic> all4n: yes, paste /etc/apt/sources.list and the errors you got
[01:25] <r0d> whats a good gnome-theme site?
[01:25] <thoreauputic> gnome-look.org ?
[01:26] <jim__> thor: noticed that the mask on eth0 is 255.255.255.255 port 67. Shouldn't it be 255.255.255.0?
[01:26] <drcodedd2> hi all
[01:26] <kestas> mjr: do you know where the totem config to output to esd is? its not in the prefernces, its not in the manual, its not in gconf
[01:26] <drcodedd2> my panal in desktop I drag it and I can't put it back into small size
[01:26] <thoreauputic> jim__: I think so
[01:26] <drcodedd2> any idea?
[01:26] <jim__> when I did an ifup eth0 I get "No working leases in persistent database - sleeping
[01:27] <all4n> thoreauputic, http://pastebin.com/290012
[01:27] <drcodedd2> Its in the left screen with big symball
[01:27] <mjr> kestas, I don't recall, try a find ~ -name "*totem*" and search those directories for things that look like xine config files
[01:27] <thoreauputic> jim__: you've hit the limit of my knowledge, I'm afraid: i know nothing of dhcp leases etc
[01:27] <drcodedd2> any idea?
[01:27] <thoreauputic> jim__: I use static addressing here
[01:27] <s_yuan31tee> anyone noe where i can get scim-chinese for warty?
[01:28] <jim__> I think I have to as well
[01:28] <thoreauputic> s_yuan31tee: apt-cache search scim-chinese
[01:28] <kestas> thanks mjr it was in ~/.gnome2
[01:28] <jim__> trying to figure out my IP address for eth0
[01:28] <all4n> thoreauputic, I put the sources.list in there as well now..
[01:28] <jim__> how do I do that?
[01:28] <thoreauputic> s_yuan31tee: I get three hits on that search
[01:28] <mjr> kestas, righto
[01:29] <jim__> in windows it's: ipconfig
[01:29] <thoreauputic> all4n: URL please?
[01:29] <drcodedd2> how I can get the panal into normal size?
[01:29] <dooglus> jim__: "sudo ifconfig"
[01:29] <jim__> thanks dooglus
[01:29] <jim__> dooglus
[01:29] <jim__> it says: command not found
[01:30] <thoreauputic> all4n: are you using the marillat repos?
[01:30] <drcodedd2> I drag it and it seddnly big size at left
[01:30] <eruin> can someone on latest hoary please check the dates of initrd, system.map and vmlinuz in their /boot and pm it to me?
[01:30] <thoreauputic> jim__: that's not posible
[01:30] <all4n> thoreauputic, I'm sorry, I don't know what marillat repos is..
[01:30] <thoreauputic> jim__: typo ?
[01:30] <dooglus> jim__: oh, sorry.  I thought that was it.  I'm not running ubuntu at the moment, 'cos I can't get mplayer to work full-screen
[01:30] <eruin> and could someone tell me which tools are needed to unpack a .deb ?
[01:30] <jim__> sudo ipconfig
[01:30] <jim__> that's what I entered in Terminal
[01:31] <all4n> thoreauputic, this is the fresh paste from sources.list and the error I get.. :  http://pastebin.com/290015
[01:31] <jbailey> eruin: initrd will be the date that they upgraded - it's generated on the new system.
[01:31] <thoreauputic> all4n: looking
[01:31] <thoreauputic> jim__: ifconfig
[01:31] <jim__> oh
[01:31] <jim__> habit
[01:31] <thoreauputic> "F" not "p?"
[01:31] <jim__> hehehehe
[01:31] <thoreauputic> lwercase f
[01:31] <eruin> jbailey: yeah... my latest kernel upgrade effectively killed my system (initrd loads from /dev/sda1 but kernel refuses to mount /dev/sda1 as root...) so  I'm investigating why
[01:32] <dooglus> "if" as in "interface"
[01:32] <jim__> there we go
[01:32] <eruin> only initrd was changed in the upgrade it seems
[01:32] <serkancancan> hi
[01:32] <serkancancan> hello
[01:32] <eruin> since vmlinuz and system.map are from the day I first installed.. long ago
[01:32] <thoreauputic> all4n: you need to uncomment quite a few lines
[01:33] <all4n> aha!  :)
[01:33] <serkancancan> ne
[01:33] <serkancancan> ahasi
[01:33] <thoreauputic> all4n: look at the guide on http://ubuntuguide.org for "how to add repositories" or similar
[01:33] <all4n> all righty.. thanks mate!
[01:33] <thoreauputic> all4n: read the comments in the file as well
[01:34] <jbailey> eruin: Do you have the error message that shows the failure?
[01:34] <thoreauputic> all4n: no worries :)
[01:34] <eruin> jbailey: http://pastebin.com/290016
[01:34] <jim__> I see something very weird for inet6 addr (compared to the normal string for eth1: 24....): fe80::20c:76ff:fe18 blah blah blah
[01:34] <thoreauputic> jim__: more likely a mac address for the card
[01:34] <bigmouse> just need a book ....
[01:35] <s_yuan31tee> thoreauputic: i think that is for hoary, warty i dun get any hit ;)
[01:35] <thoreauputic> s_yuan31tee: ah, I see
[01:35] <bigmouse> how to learn ipv6 in 21 days for dummies
[01:35] <eruin> jbailey: when I boot in recovery mode  I can see the initrd get mounted ok
[01:35] <jim__> thor: I don't think so, the mac address/HWaddr is before that
[01:35] <thoreauputic> s_yuan31tee: do you have hoary CDs or a good connection?
[01:35] <s_yuan31tee> thoreauputic: u got use scim before? have u able to use it in firefox?
[01:36] <s_yuan31tee> thoreauputic: ya, i do have a hoary CD and good connection. but i dun plan to do upgrade this moment
[01:36] <jbailey> eruin: Can you get to a shell?  There's been a problem with updated glibcs causing initrd trouble.
[01:36] <thoreauputic> s_yuan31tee: no, I have no reason to use it: I speak only english and french :)
[01:36] <jbailey> eruin: The problem is that I can't tell where people are getting the updated glibc from...
[01:36] <jbailey> eruin: I really need to track this down and make sure it doesn't happen anymore.
[01:36] <bigmouse> firefox is good but not good enough
[01:36] <s_yuan31tee> thoreauputic: oh :"> can english keyboard input french?
[01:37] <jim__> isn't it usually 198.168 something?
[01:37] <dooglus> I have a .avi movie file.  when I watch it using mplayer in ubuntu, the picture stays the same size even if I 'stretch' the mplayer window.
[01:37] <eruin> jbailey: Im on a slax livecd atm, so if thats sufficient...
[01:37] <dooglus> In Mandriva it scales, like it should.  Why the difference?
[01:37] <thoreauputic> s_yuan31tee: not exactly, but I rarely write in french :)
[01:37] <jbailey> eruin: If you can chroot onto the drive and do 'dpkg -l libc6\*' and give me the version number.
[01:37] <dooglus> jim__: 198.168.some.thing is an IP4 address.  You were looking at IP6.
[01:37] <eruin> jbailey: that does sound familiar though.. I think I have a very fresh glibc in there
[01:37] <eruin> libc
[01:38] <s_yuan31tee> thoreauputic: can i get the scim-chinese package from hoary? any big problem since i am using warty?
[01:38] <thoreauputic> s_yuan31tee: I don't know, sorry
[01:38] <eruin> doing
[01:38] <jim__> Here's what I have beside inet6 addr: fe80::20c:76ff:fe18:e17b/64
[01:38] <jbailey> eruin: If you're running Hoary, it *must* be 2.3.2.ds1-###.  2.3.5 causes initrd to build unbootable images with hoary's initrd-tools
[01:38] <thoreauputic> s_yuan31tee: I guess you could try downloading the debs
[01:38] <jim__> my mac address is different
[01:39] <eruin> jbailey: I have 2.3.5 allright ;p
[01:39] <thoreauputic> jim__: but what does inet address say ?
[01:39] <jim__> iow, I don't have an inet addr for eth0 as I do for eth1
[01:39] <eruin> jbailey: 2.3.5-1ubuntu3 to be exact
[01:39] <jim__> is that possible?
[01:40] <jbailey> eruin: Did you install that intentionally, or did it slip in there somewhere?
[01:40] <jbailey> eruin: As in, did you intentionally install a glibc from breezy?
[01:40] <eruin> jbailey: I grabbed the new firefox from breezy if I'm not entirely mistaken. I think that's where libc came from too
[01:40] <jim__> inet add; Bcast; Mask is simply missing from eth0
[01:40] <thoreauputic> jim__: it should say something like   inet addr:192.168.0.1  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[01:40] <jbailey> Yup, that'd do it.
[01:40] <thoreauputic> jim__: config problem then
[01:41] <jim__> should I manually config to these then?
[01:41] <jbailey> eruin: Update initrd-tools to the matching one from that release and you'll be fine.
[01:41] <eruin> jbailey: hope that helps you too ;)
[01:41] <dooglus> how do you configure eth0 in ubuntu?  I've not had to do it, since it's worked without a problem since I installed.
[01:41] <eruin> jbailey: ie grab it from  breezy?
[01:41] <eruin> willdo
[01:41] <jim__> System > Administration > Networking
[01:41] <eruin> jbailey: cheers mate
[01:41] <thoreauputic> jim__: check /etc/network/interfaces ( cat etc/network/interfaces )
[01:41] <jbailey> eruin: It doesn't yet. =(  So far we have reports from people who say that they haven't updated with anything from breezy, but who seem to have a newer glibc.
[01:41] <jim__> thor: should I enter that line in Terminal?
[01:42] <thoreauputic> jim__: to see what's in the file, yeah
[01:42] <eruin> jbailey: hmm, that's indeed odd
[01:42] <thoreauputic> oops
[01:42] <eruin> jbailey: maybe the topic scares them  from admitting it?
[01:42] <theine> Is there any chance of getting Kubuntu Breezy working right now?
[01:43] <eruin> theine: I believe xorg is broken in breezy atm..?
[01:43] <jbailey> eruin: It's possible.  But unless I can get people to admit to it, it leaves me hunting down a critical bug.
[01:43] <eruin> and will pretty much stay that way until  early june
[01:43] <jim__>  thor: here's what I get when I write that string in command: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `cat'
[01:43] <thoreauputic> jim__: I left out a /
[01:43] <theine> eruin, it seems to me that a lot of things are broken
[01:43] <thoreauputic> cat /etc/network/interfaces
[01:44] <jim__> just cat ...?
[01:44] <thoreauputic> yep
[01:44] <thoreauputic> cat /etc/network/interfaces
[01:44] <jmjones> i've been wrestling with gnome seeming to freeze at startup.  this morning, it did it again, so I was looking into suggestions from some folks on usenet.  one of the suggestions was to disable sound using gnome-control-center from a failsafe terminal session.  i tried that.  gnome-control-center was just hanging.  i had a little work to do on my other computer, so i didn't stop the gnome-control-center start command.  after several minutes
[01:44] <jmjones> i decided to exit back to gdm and start gnome and just let it take as long as it would take.  it started after another several minutes.
[01:44] <thoreauputic> jim__: that whole line
[01:45] <jim__> did it
[01:45] <jmjones> here are the errors from .xsession-errors
[01:45] <jim__> a lot of info
[01:45] <jmjones> SESSION_MANAGER=local/qiwi:/tmp/.ICE-unix/8163
[01:48] <jim__> # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
[01:48] <jim__> # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
[01:48] <jim__> # The loopback network interface
[01:48] <jim__> auto lo
[01:48] <jim__> iface lo inet loopback
[01:48] <jim__> # This is a list of hotpluggable network interfaces.
[01:48] <jim__> # They will be activated automatically by the hotplug subsystem.
[01:48] <jim__> mapping hotplug
[01:48] <jmjones> Gnome-Message: gnome_execute_async_with_env_fds: returning -1
[01:48] <jim__>         script grep
[01:48] <thoreauputic> jim__: DON"T PASTE
[01:48] <jim__>         map eth1
[01:48] <jim__> # The primary network interface
[01:48] <jmjones> Gnome-Message: gnome_execute_async_with_env_fds: returning -1
[01:48] <jim__> iface eth1 inet dhcp
[01:48] <jim__> auto eth1
[01:48] <jim__> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[01:48] <dooglus> too late :)
[01:48] <jim__> auto eth0
[01:48] <jmjones> (gnome-panel:8269): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `object->ref_count > 0' failed
[01:48] <jim__> sorry
[01:48] <jim__> I won't do it again
[01:48] <liable> STOPIT
[01:48] <Dave2|Laptop> jmjones, I've had that a few times with hald taking up loads of CPU
[01:48] <jim__> what does that do?
[01:48] <thoreauputic> jim__: :(
[01:48] <jmjones> the first few lines aren't errors (obviously).  it's that last line that is bothering me.
[01:48] <eruin> jbailey: well, good luck to  you! I almost wish my error was of that more exotic kind
[01:48] <jmjones> and then I get a bunch of these:
[01:48] <jmjones> ** (gnome-terminal:8350): WARNING **: No handler for control sequence `device-control-string' defined.
[01:48] <jmjones> any ideas?
[01:48] <Dave2|Laptop> jmjones, ran a top in a virtual terminal?
[01:48] <Dave2|Laptop> (When it's doing that)
[01:48] <jim__> have I been banned?
[01:48] <jmjones> if i have, i don't recall and i don't recall it showing anything interesting.  lemme restart gnome and see if it shows anything
[01:48] <jbailey> eruin: So do I. =)  If you hear of anyone with that problem, please send them to me. =)
[01:48] <jmjones> i recall a few years ago under redhat nautilus going ape on the cpu.....
[01:48] <liable> jim__: yes
[01:48] <eruin> jbailey: willdo :)
[01:48] <jim__> geez, I didn't know
[01:48] <jim__> is Bcast a Gateway address?
[01:48] <topyli> jim__: hard to notice isn't it :)
[01:48] <dooglus> jim__: no.  it's usually the gateway address but with 255's at the end
[01:49] <florian_> Question: why is no xemacs in the default installation
[01:49] <jim__> 192.168.0.255 ?
[01:49] <jmjones> it came up fast that time
[01:49] <dooglus> florian_: it's huge and not many people use it
[01:49] <mastooky> bcast
[01:49] <jmjones> lemme reboot
[01:51] <jim__> Now I get "An unknown error occurred" in Firestarter
[01:51] <florian_> sorry for this, but Im now a rather experienced user and every distro I've installed up to now came with emacs, so whats the standard ubuntu editor for programming?
[01:51] <mastooky> where is the eth module in the kernel?
[01:52] <jim__> weird, now it says: Firewall running
[01:52] <liable> mastooky: dpepends what your card is, theres no 'eth' module
[01:52] <Fator_Dee> florian_: I think emacs is installed by default on ubuntu too
[01:52] <thor|break> Fator_Dee: no, only in warty
[01:52] <mastooky> so the code is default in the kernel or it sees it as a regular in out thing?
[01:52] <thor|break> but easy to install
[01:53] <Fator_Dee> thor|break: oh, why did they change that?
[01:53] <mastooky> leaving the work to the card driver
[01:53] <logik> can anyone help me? I have problems with my USB keybord (on laptop).. Only one half of the keys work.. Now I tried setting different models, but none of the models seem to work (i.e. Generic 104, etc)
[01:53] <thor|break> Fator_Dee: I don't know :)
[01:53] <logik> am i forgetting something?
[01:53] <liable> mastooky: whats your nic?
[01:53] <Fator_Dee> florian_: well anyway, installing it is just one command line away :-)
[01:53] <florian_> emacs I dont know exactly, I installed a deb package from the latest debian. But for sure something like xemacs (with a GUI) is not installed.
[01:53] <mastooky> matsooky
[01:54] <thoreauputic> emacs21 I think
[01:55] <matsooky> my card works fine
[01:55] <eliteforce> hi
[01:55] <liable> matsooky: well whats the actual problem
[01:55] <thoreauputic> florian_: xemacs21 actually
[01:56] <matsooky> liable: high ping and packet loss on first hop
[01:56] <florian_> Ok I'll install xemacs with apt. Another thing: mplayer is crashing playing dvd. This is commonly known now (see google groups). Is there a patch??
[01:56] <eliteforce> does sb know where i can really clear, good readable (even if the font size is really small) fonts??
[01:56] <eliteforce> +get :)
[01:56] <liable> matsooky: wtf does high ping mean
[01:57] <matsooky> just packet loss then
[01:57] <matsooky> 255 ms instead of 5 ms
[01:57] <KrimZon> does anyone know how i can mount my usb hdd anything other than read-only?
[01:58] <dooglus> KrimZon: NTFS?
[01:58] <matsooky> does it have a driver?
[01:58] <KrimZon> ahh, yeah
[01:58] <liable> 21:51 < mastooky> where is the eth module in the kernel?
[01:58] <KrimZon> i was thinking it might be that last night
[01:58] <dooglus> KrimZon: not safely then
[01:58] <preglow> my ubuntu suddenly can't mount root after having upgraded to the newer kernel
[01:58] <preglow> any clues?
[01:58] <liable> wtf, does this mean then, if your card works
[01:58] <KrimZon> should i just make it fat32 then?
[01:58] <matsooky> 21:51 ah ok
[01:58] <dooglus> KrimZon: make a "FAT32" partition, and use that to transfer stuff to it
[01:58] <bigmouse> liable:  meants evin is coming
[01:59] <bigmouse> s/evin/evil/
[01:59] <dooglus> KrimZon: better is reiserfs, but then it's a pain to write it from windows
[01:59] <liable> i'm lost
[01:59] <KrimZon> ahh
[01:59] <dooglus> KrimZon: do you use windows?
[01:59] <KrimZon> yeah
[01:59] <KrimZon> on the games machine
[01:59] <KrimZon> i use the hdd to backup everything
[01:59] <matsooky> so why would i be getting packet loss with the ping command?
[01:59] <martii> re to all
[01:59] <martii> fabbione: :) hi
[02:00] <KrimZon> cause its easier to use than a removable hdd bay
[02:00] <martii> fabbione: solved problem with kvm and mouse
[02:00] <dooglus> I have several partitions - most NTFS, and a medium sized FAT32 for transferring stuff the the disk from Linux.  Then I use Windows to move it from FAT32 to the NTFS partitions.  It's a pain, but there's no filesystem that is all 3 of 1) journalled, 2) writable from windows and 3) writable from linux
[02:00] <martii> fabbione: had to give psmouse module option
[02:00] <eliteforce> is it possible to compile the latest kernel from kernel.org and use it on ubuntu, or do i need patches / the kernel packages (which aren't up 2 date)
[02:00] <matsooky> read README
[02:01] <eliteforce> do u talk to me?
[02:01] <matsooky> yes
[02:01] <martii> fabbione: options psmouse proto=bare
[02:01] <martii> fabbione: no scrollwhell
[02:01] <eliteforce> there are many readme's ;P
[02:01] <martii> fabbione: but muse behaves as expected ;)
[02:01] <matsooky> in the base of the kernel source tree
[02:01] <Leifo> Can I find out what mobo a machine have, via terminal ( VNC remote desktop connection), or do I have to walk down and reboot the machine and watch what the bios says? Any commands for this?
[02:02] <matsooky> he readme would point you to Changes
[02:02] <matsooky> in the Documentation folder
[02:02] <eliteforce> the readme of a ubuntu kernel package?
[02:02] <matsooky> ok dont read the readme
[02:02] <eliteforce> lol :)
[02:02] <Zarquon> I thought I could change window managers @ Applications->System Tools->Configuration Editor : /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager ? What have I missed?
[02:03] <matsooky> no the new kernel
[02:03] <matsooky> why do you need a new kernel?
[02:03] <eliteforce> are there notes for ubuntu users in the kernel from kernel.org?
[02:03] <matsooky> dont think so
[02:04] <matsooky> what is ubuntu exactly?
[02:04] <matsooky> sorry
[02:04] <matsooky> :>
[02:04] <eliteforce> ..
[02:04] <eliteforce> what i'm doing here? ^^
[02:04] <matsooky> what am i doing here
[02:05] <eliteforce> writing shit
[02:05] <s_yuan31tee> any scim user here?
[02:05] <linukso> eliteforce: you can use a kernel from kernel.org, shouldn't be a problem.
[02:05] <linukso> eliteforce: if you know what you are doing :)
[02:05] <eliteforce> linukso: thx, yes i know what i'm doing
[02:06] <matsooky> what is the main 1 reason for packet loss on lan?
[02:06] <eliteforce> bad connection
[02:07] <matsooky> it works fine on windows but some how i cant configure my linux right
[02:07] <matsooky> i am missing some information
[02:07] <eliteforce> which one?
[02:07] <eliteforce> how does your network look like
[02:07] <matsooky> which one what?
[02:07] <matsooky> a bunch of wires
[02:08] <zoner_> ;)
[02:08] <eliteforce> no, how many pc's do you have?
[02:08] <matsooky> one
[02:08] <eliteforce> ah a network with 1 pc :)
[02:08] <linukso> matsooky: one pc? thats not a network :)
[02:08] <matsooky> its not if you are looking from the outside
[02:08] <Fator_Dee> maybe he's sending stuff for himself :-o
[02:08] <Zarquon> that explains it, all the electrons are falling out of your ethernet port!
[02:09] <eliteforce> stoned? :D
[02:09] <matsooky> shit im getting a bucket
[02:09] <matsooky> perhaps ill connect myself to the usb ( dont try at home)
[02:10] <matsooky> max 125 mV
[02:10] <eliteforce> omg what are you talking about?
[02:10] <matsooky> write a driver and run myself into a game
[02:10] <Zarquon> Whatever, just don't put up a webpage with photos.
[02:10] <matsooky> :\
[02:11] <Zarquon> :-P
[02:11] <eliteforce> and does somebody know where i can get clear fonts (like sans serif, verdana ... on win) from?
[02:11] <linukso> matsooky: let us know when your hooked up, so we can start a ddos-attack on you...
[02:11] <matsooky> |:\  ==   :\  (with an 1 eye bra
[02:11] <Fator_Dee> eliteforce: I think it was msttcorefonts you need to install
[02:12] <matsooky> ok
[02:12] <matsooky> so back to the issue of me loosing packets
[02:12] <eliteforce> why are the fonts so fuzzy at all?
[02:12] <linukso> eliteforce: turn on antialiasing
[02:12] <eliteforce> its turned on
[02:13] <linukso> eliteforce: hmm, in all apps?
[02:13] <matsooky> because you have a 43x120 pix screen?
[02:13] <Zarquon> eliteforce: CRT or LCD?
[02:13] <linukso> eliteforce: I mean, are the fonts fuzzy in all apps?
[02:13] <eliteforce> the fonts look relatively good on my laptop, but on my crt they look really fuzzy :)
[02:14] <Gunman> hello
[02:14] <eliteforce> i also tried to enable/disable antialaising but i didnt see much difference
[02:14] <Gunman> i need some help with LILO on Ubuntu 5.04
[02:15] <Zarquon> Gunman: what's your grief?
[02:16] <linukso> eliteforce: hmm, I'm using ubuntu on both CRT's and laptop with the standard fonts, and haven't got any problems...
[02:16] <Gunman> grief ??
[02:16] <Gunman> whats is it ???
[02:16] <linukso> problem
[02:16] <Zarquon> what problem are you having with lilo?
[02:16] <Gunman> after update i turn off computer
[02:17] <Gunman> and when ive tur it on i morning i see thats error
[02:17] <Seveas> Gunman, why did you install lilo instead of grub?
[02:17] <Zarquon> ah, nothing other than "LILO" in the top left corner of the screen?
[02:17] <Gunman> "LILO 22.6.1 Loading LinuxEBDA is big; kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage"
[02:18] <matsooky> how many letters of the work LILO?
[02:18] <matsooky> why cant i connect to irc?
[02:18] <eliteforce> linukso: compare the fonts from (k)ubuntu to that in windows - there are worlds between them
[02:18] <Gunman> hmm i like Grub but i use Reiser4
[02:19] <Zarquon> looks like it is rescue disc time.
[02:19] <Gunman> now i use Knoppix 3.8
[02:19] <linukso> eliteforce: you got a screenshot?
[02:19] <Gunman> but i cant find lilo.conf
[02:19] <eliteforce> no
[02:19] <linukso> eliteforce: mine are razorsharp in gnome...
[02:19] <eliteforce> mine not :/
[02:20] <linukso> eliteforce: but just to be clear, they are bad in all apps?
[02:20] <has> hello!
[02:20] <nobile> hello
[02:20] <Zarquon> gunman: have a look in /boot or wherever knoppix rescue mounted it.
[02:21] <Gunman> yes i`ve looked but i cant find it
[02:21] <linukso> eliteforce: did you try changing the settings in System->Preferences->Fonts
[02:21] <has> does anybody know where i can download Ubuntu unstable? (the next release) - Hoary wont install on my RS480M2 main board :-(
[02:21] <Gunman> Zarquon, i searched everywhere
[02:22] <has> (sata trouble)
[02:22] <Fator_Dee> has: breezy might not be the right answer :-p
[02:23] <Dave2|Laptop> considering that it's extremely unstable right now
[02:23] <has> Fator_Dee: okay
[02:24] <Dave2|Laptop> Anyone have any pointers to configuring a SiS device in a laptop so that I can use video out with a decent resolution/refresh rate? (If possible)
[02:24] <Dave2|Laptop> i.e. turning off the LCD
[02:24] <has> it's really annoying that both Mandriva/Mandrake and Windows 64-bit installs just fine...
[02:25] <Zarquon> How can I change windowmanager in ubuntu?
[02:25] <has> Fator_Dee: Is it possible to make a install CD for hoary that sees my SATA disk? I suppose it is a driver related issue
[02:26] <Dave2|Laptop> Zarquon, IIRC GDM lets you select the WM/DE
[02:26] <Fator_Dee> has: soryy, I don't know
[02:26] <eliteforce> linukso: i'll try it
[02:26] <christianp> hi all
[02:27] <eliteforce> does somebody know how to disable standy if i close the laptops lid?
[02:28] <eliteforce> because then all i can see is a black screen with a blinking cursor
[02:28] <xoz> eliteforce: are you running acpi?
[02:28] <eliteforce> yes
[02:28] <eliteforce> xoz: yes
[02:29] <xoz> eliteforce: either disable it or look into the /etc/acpi/ files
[02:29] <has> has anybody here had any luck installing Hoary on a ATI Xpress based MB like MSI RS480M2-IL ?
[02:29] <eliteforce> and how can i prevent my the laptop shutdown if i press the power button
[02:29] <StarScream> hi, just installing ubuntu on my dads machine. Will it autmagically detect the XP install on hda and set up lilo /grub accordingly? I am installing to hdc
[02:29] <eliteforce> StarScream: normally ye
[02:29] <eliteforce> yes
[02:29] <StarScream> cool
[02:29] <StarScream> dad is getting shitty with XP, actually asked me to install linux for him
[02:29] <xoz> eliteforce: it is in the /etc/acpi/   events
[02:30] <StarScream> he's gonna get used to it and show my mum :)
[02:30] <fsapo> any programers here could help me with some advice from where to start? :P
[02:30] <eliteforce> StarScream: you just need to get some unpartitioned space on your disk for linux
[02:30] <StarScream> its kinda cool, i didn't even prompt him
[02:30] <StarScream> eliteforce: yeh there is a whole 40gb hd i donated to him\
[02:30] <StarScream> fsapo: start programming you mean?
[02:30] <eliteforce> xoz: thx
[02:31] <Zarquon> Dave2: I get the choice last, default or gnome from gdm, no wm options :-(
[02:31] <linukso> eliteforce: any luck with the fonts?
[02:31] <xoz> eliteforce: np
[02:31] <eliteforce> linukso: im on win right now and will try it later :)
[02:31] <fsapo> StarScream, i already program php.. but i want to start a linux project ^^
[02:32] <Zarquon> Tried setting  /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager in the config editor, no joy.
[02:32] <linukso> eliteforce: okey.
[02:32] <christianp> i want my zope instance starts at boot time. If i do /etc/init.d/zope2.7 start then all was ok, while i want it's called automagically. What i have to configure?
[02:32] <linukso> christianp: sudo apt-get install rcconf and enable zope
[02:33] <eliteforce> xoz: is it also possible to disable my laptop shutdown after pressing the power button?
[02:33] <tarjei> hi, does ubuntu have a way to detect what printers are installed on an external cupsserver?
[02:33] <linukso> eliteforce: just edit /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh
[02:33] <eliteforce> ah ok
[02:33] <xoz> eliteforce: of course... you just remove/ignore the action assigned to the powerbutton event.
[02:35] <eliteforce> is it possible to reduced the clock speed of my mobile athlon64 3200+ manually? :)
[02:36] <whyameye> anybody know anything about openVPN?
[02:36] <AirWays> Amm, I'm watching .avi movie with Totem player, movie lags and stops all the time, why?
[02:36] <tarjei> whyameye: what's your problem?
[02:36] <linukso> AirWays: because its slow... use mplayer or vlc
[02:37] <xoz> eliteforce: cpudyn
[02:37] <AirWays> Okay
[02:37] <selinium> Hi guys, how do i change the ssh password on a remote machine?
[02:37] <dooglus> selinium: "passwd"
[02:37] <xoz> ssh-keygen
[02:38] <AirWays> mplayer-custom: Riippuvuudet: libavcodec2  but it is not installable
[02:38] <linukso> Zarquon: read man Xsession
[02:38] <AirWays> Wtf that means?
[02:38] <whyameye> tarjei, basically I want to set up a VPN to work, just like I already have on my Windows box. I was a bit overwhelmed by the 3000+ lines of docs in the man pages. I figured it can't be as complicated as it is appearing to me right now.
[02:38] <selinium> dooglus xoz: cheers for the pointers!
[02:38] <linukso> whyameye: are you setting up a vpn server or just trying to connect to one?
[02:39] <whyameye> linukso, just trying to connect to one.
[02:39] <eliteforce> linukso: ah one last question, which settings (antialising ..) do you have?
[02:39] <linukso> whyameye: if its a cisco server, use vpnc (sudo apt-get install vpnc
[02:39] <linukso> whyameye: it is *very* easy!
[02:39] <dooglus> selinium: the ssh password is just the account password.  you can choose to use keys instead, but then you don't need a password
[02:39] <whyameye> linukso, how would I know if it is a cisco server?
[02:40] <linukso> eliteforce: in gnome-font-properties there should be 4 font rendering options, try selecting best shapes.
[02:40] <selinium> dooglus: cheers i will have a look into it!
[02:41] <linukso> whyameye: the admin of your vpn server should know...
[02:41] <eliteforce> linukso: and in kde? ;D
[02:41] <whyameye> linukso, this is not a distinction that exists for Windows boxes?
[02:41] <linukso> eliteforce: whops... Don't know 'bout kde,...
[02:41] <linukso> whyameye: yes it is, whats the name of the windows vpn client
[02:42] <eliteforce> ok thx
[02:42] <whyameye> linukso, I just used the Microsoft "wizard" and put in my info.
[02:42] <thoreauputic> kcontrol has an antialias setting dialog I seem to recall
[02:42] <tarjei> whyameye: you do not need openvpn to connect to an existing vpn if that is not an openvpnvpn :)
[02:42] <tarjei> whyameye: then use pptp
[02:42] <whyameye> eliteforce, have you tried kconfig for kde?
[02:42] <eliteforce> no
[02:42] <AirWays> Where I can delete some program starters from my "startup" menu in ubuntu?
[02:43] <eliteforce> whyameye: i changed a lot of settings in the control center but i didnt realized a real difference
[02:43] <whyameye> tarjei, so are you saying that, from what I have told you, it is not a cisco vpn? Or is it still unclear?
[02:44] <whyameye> eliteforce, then sorry. I don't know from there.
[02:44] <toonX> any ideas why in kubuntu the apps that use the sound server just crash after more or less 3 secs? ( like amaroK ) ? In Gnome doen't happen
[02:45] <whyameye> tarjei, I was looking at pptp before. I looks like I have to recompile the kernel to add Microsoft encryption? It scared me away...
[02:46] <Gunman> "LILO 22.6.1 Loading LinuxEBDA is big; kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage" Please HELP...
[02:46] <Gunman> i found lilo.conf but IMO it is valid
[02:48] <indigoak> Okay...I have a VIA Rhine II Ethernet adapter...all set up with a static IP, my proper gateway, mask, and DNS servers...the same way I set it up with windows...and it won't connect...it starts to look up the URL and then just goes on forever...
[02:48] <tarjei> whyameye: well, that's the vpntype windows uses by default AFAIK
[02:48] <zeki> hi need help i cant mount my cdrom device it gives me cant find specific device message
[02:48] <linukso> indigoak: what does route return?
[02:49] <indigoak> route?  You'll have to be patient...this is the first copy of Linux I have *ever* used :(
[02:49] <nevyn> linukso: 0
[02:49] <linukso> indigoak: ah, okey! Open up a terminal window
[02:49] <nevyn> /sbin/route; echo $?
[02:49] <christianp> linukso, zope is selected but it doesn't start at boot time. It starts when i do /etc/init.d/zope2.7 start :-(
[02:49] <linukso> nevyn: :-P
[02:50] <indigoak> erm...I'm on Windows right now..I only have one computer...and I have Ubuntu on one drive and XP on another :/
[02:50] <linukso> indigoak: hmmm
[02:50] <zeki> cdrom mounting problems
[02:51] <linukso> indigoak: did you config the network with the network applet in the gnome panel
[02:51] <indigoak> Yes.
[02:51] <indigoak> You mean the adminstrative network thingy?
[02:51] <linukso> indigoak: yes
[02:51] <kahuna_> Hi
[02:51] <indigoak> Yea...I selected my Ethernet adapter, set the IP, the DNS servers, mask, and gateway just like it's set up on Windows
[02:52] <tarjei> does anyone know of a ubuntu utility to find networkprinters?
[02:52] <kahuna_> How do I switch my gtk1 theme from the ugly default? I'm using switch, but the theme is still not changing
[02:52] <kahuna_> The .gtkrc file gets generated correctly but gtk1 seems to ignore it
[02:53] <linukso> indigoak: I think there is a bug with network-admin. Deactivate it, check the settings and the activate it, and close the window with cancel, not ok.
[02:53] <indigoak> Ok
[02:53] <indigoak> Erm...I'll be back then XD
[02:54] <linukso> nevyn: I know I should have asked "What does /sbin/route print to stdout,?", but I thought it might be a bit confusing ;)
[02:54] <Karhis> Hi could somebody help me. I don't know where are my kernel sources.. Or do I even have them. I just Installed Ubuntu 5.04 (64bit) normal installation.
[02:55] <tarjei> linukso: apt-get install kernel-sources ?
[02:55] <Dr_Melectaus> how come the tracker is still down
[02:55] <Dr_Melectaus> its been about 2 days now :(
[02:55] <kahuna_> you need to install the kernel sources
[02:56] <nickrud> kahuna_, the only gtk1 themes I can find on a vanilla install is Default and Redmond, the others are all gtk2 only
[02:56] <kahuna_> then look in /usr/src
[02:56] <rem85> anyone installed roundup ..?
[02:56] <kahuna_> Hmm... even redmond doesn't work.
[02:57] <nickrud> don't have switch here, but I've banged my head against it before
[02:57] <Karhis> Ok. How do I install the Kernel sources?
[02:57] <Dr_Melectaus> how come the tracker is still down
[02:57] <linukso> Karhis: sudo apt-get install kernel-sources
[02:57] <kahuna_> I even put stuff in my .gtkrc.mine file and it gets ignored. :(
[02:58] <kahuna_> good thing I don't have many gtk1 apps
[02:58] <Karhis> "The package kernel-sources weren't found"
[02:58] <nickrud> ha, it does kinda force people away from the old ones :)
[02:58] <thoreauputic> kahuna_: try putting an include line in the other .gtk file pointing to your .gtkrc.mine
[02:59] <linukso> Karhis: try linux-source
[02:59] <kahuna_> linux-source works
[02:59] <kahuna_> or more specifically linux-source-2.6.10
[02:59] <keffo> shey, guys.. a good SFV-checker to recommend?
[02:59] <kahuna_> thoreauputic, It's there
[03:00] <thoreauputic> OK
[03:00] <keffo> anyone?
[03:00] <toonX> does Gnome uses some sound daemon in the way kde uses arts? or just plays using ALSA?
[03:00] <kahuna_> keffo: apt-cache search show cfv
[03:00] <Fator_Dee> keffo: cfv does the job
[03:00] <thoreauputic> kahuna_: I find switch works well when I'm running fluxbox with gnome-settings-daemon, but not in gnome itself
[03:01] <kahuna_> hmm. I'll have to try that then
[03:01] <Karhis> Ok. Thanks. Where did it install it? I'm trying to compile one program and it asks where those are.
[03:01] <thoreauputic> toonX: esd by default
[03:01] <kahuna_> Thanks thoreauputic
[03:01] <Fator_Dee> keffo: or cksfv
[03:01] <keffo> ok
[03:02] <keffo> but i dont want to go console all the time
[03:02] <thoreauputic> kahuna_: BTW the hoary package for fluxbox is broken
[03:02] <keffo> i want to right-click on my sfv-file
[03:02] <linukso> keffo: gnome-terminal?
[03:02] <keffo> yey
[03:02] <Riddell> toonX: some gnome programmes use esd, others use gstreamer which outputs to alsa
[03:03] <keffo> so I dunno how-to make it work.. i simply wanna click on my sfv-file
[03:03] <Riddell> toonX: installing amarok-xine is your best bet
[03:03] <keffo> and then it should check
[03:03] <neul> howdy foax...  I just burned the 5.04 release to CD & would like to install... i'm currently dual-booting redhat 8/Win ME
[03:03] <ivoks> hola :)
[03:03] <Fator_Dee> keffo: console is your best friend, not your worst enemy
[03:03] <keffo> I didnt say
[03:03] <we2by> console is for geeks and x is for average comp user
[03:03] <Fator_Dee> I don't know if there are programs that do that, you'd have to make a script
[03:03] <keffo> http://freshmeat.net/projects/parano/
[03:04] <keffo> think i found it
[03:04] <keffo> ;p
[03:04] <kahuna_> maybe I'll try blackbox then
[03:04] <toonX> Riddell, k thanks
[03:04] <toonX> thoreauputic, ok dude
[03:05] <eruin> any of you know how to make sure the necessary mountpoints get into an initrd created from a chroot?
[03:05] <neul> my pc doesn't seem to want to run the ISO CD from boot... any advice?
[03:05] <jbailey> eruin: You need at least /proc mounted.  /sys is a good idea too.
[03:05] <linukso> neul: check your bios
[03:06] <othernoob> neul: set your cdrom drive to boot first..
[03:06] <neul> yeah, iim configured for that already
[03:06] <kart_> hi, which is best cd-writing s/w in ubuntu?
[03:06] <cert> hei people.. i am trying to install gSplashfu
[03:06] <cert> i came to an error here
[03:06] <othernoob> kart_: k3b
[03:06] <cert> http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~tten032/log.file
[03:06] <eruin> jbailey: mount shows four instances of /proc ;-) I guess I should  get sys up and running too
[03:06] <cert> anyone could help me
[03:06] <neul> but on boot i get the GRUB loader
[03:06] <dooglus> othernoob: that's a kde app isn't it?
[03:07] <kart_> othernoob: for gnome??
[03:07] <othernoob> dooglus: works on gnome as well
[03:07] <dooglus> ubuntu is gnome based
[03:07] <eruin> jbailey: what exactly is /sys anyway?
[03:07] <linukso> kart_: k3b works in gnome to!
[03:07] <othernoob> dooglus: i used it on fc3, which is gnome based as well
[03:07] <kart_> may be i need kubuntu!
[03:07] <linukso> kart_: no no!
[03:08] <Dr_Melectaus> is there anywhere else apart from the ubuntu site i can download the latest install/live dvd  ISO
[03:08] <dooglus> othernoob: ok, but it means you have lots of kde stuff in memory as well as lots of gnome stuff
[03:08] <thoreauputic> kart_: you can try gnomebaker - works well for me
[03:08] <Dr_Melectaus> the tracker has been down for about 2 days now
[03:08] <linukso> kart_: If you really want a native gnome app, you could try gnomebaker
[03:08] <kart_> some kdebase/kdelibs for k3b
[03:08] <kart_> ok
[03:08] <kart_> thanks
[03:08] <othernoob> dooglus: well yes, but he asked for the best ;)
[03:08] <dooglus> what's the best gtk app for burning?
[03:08] <Dr_Melectaus> is there anywhere else apart from the ubuntu site i can download the latest install/live dvd  ISO
[03:08] <Dr_Melectaus> ?
[03:09] <othernoob> Dr_Melectaus: bittorrent..
[03:09] <dooglus> othernoob: the torrent is down
[03:09] <thoreauputic> dooglus: some say gnomebaker, others like graveman
[03:09] <Dr_Melectaus> the tracker is down othernoob
[03:09] <othernoob> dooglus: heh, okay ..didn't know, dont use torrent ;)
[03:09] <Dr_Melectaus> its been down for a coulple of days now
[03:10] <dooglus> othernoob: I think you have to use torrent - it's only available on torrent
[03:10] <dooglus> (except when it isn't, like now)
[03:10] <Dr_Melectaus> chunt
[03:10] <Dr_Melectaus> 8C
[03:10] <eruin> http://pastebin.com/290060 does mean I miss some mounts when I try to create the initrd right?
[03:11] <olivier> hi
[03:11] <Dr_Melectaus> anyone have any idea when the tracker will be back up again
[03:11] <othernoob> dooglus: heh, ok. didnt care about the dvd yet :)
[03:11] <olivier> ubuntu sucks :)
[03:11] <kart_> olivier: areee, why
[03:12] <linukso> olivier: .... shure
[03:12] <olivier> no  counter strike
[03:12] <olivier> :P
[03:12] <indigoak> I'm back...'tis not working :(
[03:12] <linukso> olivier: buy a nintendo.
[03:12] <Pengui1> Hello
[03:12] <othernoob> dooglus: doesn't azureus have a decentralised tracking technique now ?
[03:12] <olivier> i have a nintendo.. right?
[03:12] <dooglus> olivier: we've got enemy territory though - and it runs at over 0.2 frames per second on my box.
[03:12] <Pengui1> Does anybody know how to install Gaim 1.3.0 on Ubuntu?
[03:12] <dooglus> othernoob: it does, yes.
[03:12] <neul> i repeat: my bios is config'd to run CD first, but on boot I get the GRUB loader instead... can I tweak this?
[03:12] <olivier> what do you meen by 'enemy territory'
[03:13] <Fator_Dee> Return To Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory by IDSoftware
[03:13] <othernoob> dooglus: shouldn't the download work then anyway ?
[03:13] <Pengui1> HELLO!?
[03:13] <olivier> where can I download Enemy territory :D
[03:13] <eruin> enemyterritory.com
[03:13] <dooglus> othernoob: I didn't try it in azureus, 'cos I hadn't worked out how to install sun java at that point in time.
[03:13] <othernoob> neul: have you burned the cd properly ?
[03:14] <thoreauputic> Pengui1: patient, aren't you?
[03:14] <nickrud> neul, have you booted this disk before?
[03:14] <Pengui1> ???
[03:14] <linukso> Pengui1: get source, untar, ./configure, make, sudo make install.... good luck
[03:14] <olivier> nvm.. I still have the live cd.. so I can't install anything
[03:14] <othernoob> dooglus: ah okay
[03:14] <eruin> olivier: enemy-territory actually ;>
[03:14] <neul> othernoob: i have the install i386.iso... is that correct?
[03:14] <CarlK> olivier - you can install with the live CD
[03:14] <olivier> o.. cewl
[03:15] <neul> nickrud: negative
[03:15] <dooglus> CarlK: are you sure?
[03:15] <olivier> has it nice graphics?
[03:15] <othernoob> neul: well i guess, now you just have to burn it properly with k3b or nero or fantomcd or something of the like
[03:15] <nickrud> neul, you can md5sum the disk, see if it's good
[03:15] <digip1mp> what package has the tcl libraries?
[03:16] <neul> md5sum... duh, ok(newbie here)
[03:16] <AirWays> Where I can edit my Startup menu's Icons? Delete, edit etc ?
[03:16] <olivier> is it easy to run win xp and ubuntu on one harddisc?
[03:16] <othernoob> nickrud: by his answer i believe he burned a datacd instead of burning the iso
[03:16] <othernoob> olivier: yes
[03:17] <nickrud> othernoob, I agree, but he can try mounting it, and check
[03:17] <neul> no, othernoob, i have the ISO, i checked
[03:17] <olivier> I heard all kind of talks about partitions and stuff.. what do I need to do to get 2 partitions
[03:17] <reka> AirWays: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo
[03:17] <nickrud> neul, he means the way you burned it
[03:17] <oscarh> hey, is there a good wlan manager for gnome?
[03:17] <AirWays> Thanks
[03:17] <dooglus> neul: when you look at the contents of the CD, you should see a whole bunch of directories and files.  if you just see one file, the .iso, you burned it wrong.
[03:18] <oscarh> so that i can configure diferent wlans and it tries to connect to one of them
[03:18] <neul> ahhhh!  bingo  :))
[03:18] <cert> http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~tten032/log.file
[03:18] <cert> could anyone take a look at my error log
[03:18] <cert> ??
[03:18] <neul> thanx dooglus, i am an idiot
[03:18] <dooglus> neul: no, you're not.  I nearly made exactly the same mistake.  it wasn't clear at all how to burn a .iso in k3b.
[03:18] <oscarh> is there also a way to make a policy so that i can make the wlan try to connect only if the ethernet cable is NOT plugged in?
[03:18] <linukso> oscarh: try netapplet or gtkwifi
[03:19] <thoreauputic> cert: you need the -dev libraries listed
[03:19] <oscarh> liable, thanx
[03:19] <digip1mp> what package has the tcl libraries?  and why is DNS resolution so slow on my ubuntu system?
[03:19] <dooglus> I ended up using the file manager thing (probably konqueror), right clicking the .iso and saying "burn using k3b"
[03:19] <meff> quick q, does the ubuntu live cd include lvm2 functionality? i know knoppix doesnt for one.. just checking before i burn it
[03:19] <thoreauputic> cert: apt-cahe search for them
[03:19] <neul> dooglus-- briefly then, the proper procedure...?
[03:19] <thoreauputic> *apt-cache
[03:19] <linukso> oscarh: and ifplugd waproamd
[03:19] <sferguson> chatjunkies.org
[03:19] <sferguson> oops
[03:19] <dooglus> neul: I never found the correct procedure - but 'konqueror' saved the day for me.
[03:19] <linukso> oscarh: ifplugd and waproamd
[03:19] <othernoob> neul: are you in redhat now ?
[03:19] <olivier> Well.. I think I stay to windows :P.. Later
[03:19] <othernoob> neul: do you have k3b?
[03:20] <neul> othernoob-- negative
[03:20] <othernoob> neul: windows me now?
[03:20] <neul> yep
[03:20] <cert> thoreauputic : i think i have installed them using synaptic
[03:20] <Winux> I don't understand anything
[03:20] <othernoob> neul: do you have nero?
[03:20] <dooglus> how do you burn a .iso from k3b?
[03:20] <thoreauputic> cert: the -dev ones?
[03:20] <neul> othernoob: no to everything  :)
[03:20] <oscarh> linukso, yeah, i figured, but is there no one who has documented a way of creating such a policy?
[03:20] <novaflare> how would i open and install a .deb from my local hd?
[03:20] <othernoob> dooglus: open k3b-> click tools-> dvd-> burn dvd iso
[03:21] <thoreauputic> cert: it's always the development libs you need with errors like that
[03:21] <othernoob> neul: uhm, do you have any burning program?
[03:21] <oscarh> linukso, i guess it wouldn't be to hard though
[03:21] <reka> novaflare: what are you trying to install?
[03:21] <dooglus> othernoob: thanks.  obvious really isn't it!  I was looking at the 'project' icons in the bottom left pane
[03:21] <neul> a friend burned it for me using Win XP
[03:21] <novaflare> at the moment nothing
[03:21] <linukso> oscarh: just installed waproamd
[03:21] <othernoob> dooglus :) lol np
[03:21] <novaflare> just wondering how you do it
[03:21] <reka> novaflare: well, you should always try the repos first.  otherwise you can use dpkg -i <filename>
[03:22] <othernoob> neul: do you have k3b in redhat ?
[03:22] <linukso> oscarh: the config file is quite easyt
[03:22] <novaflare> k ty
[03:22] <cert> ok i'll give it a shot
[03:22] <reka> novaflare: dpkg won't take care of dependencies,  which is why using apt-get or synaptic is easiest
[03:22] <neul> sorry... i don't know, othernoob
[03:22] <oscarh> linukso, used waproamd on slack a year ago
[03:23] <novaflare> yeh
[03:23] <neul> got business to take care of right now... i'll check wit youse guys later... thanx so far  :)
[03:24] <novaflare> chaseing depenecies is somethign i have to much exp in from my red hat days ......
[03:24] <othernoob> neul: cya ;)
[03:24] <CarlK> Dr_Melectaus - I am poking around to see what the deal is with the tracker being down
[03:25] <reka> i'm glad those days are relatively over.
[03:26] <novaflare> i sware redhat was a nightmare when came to dependencies
[03:26] <dockane> afterall i just entered iscan at the terminal window ... not to expext anything but totally frustrated : and it worked
[03:26] <novaflare> 3 cds
[03:27] <novaflare> and selected every single thing
[03:27] <novaflare> and still when id go to install any thing
[03:27] <novaflare> missing such and such lib
[03:27] <novaflare> one app i tried installing was some game
[03:28] <novaflare> it was missing 40 some libs
[03:28] <dockane> novaflare, me started with debian and didn't get intouch with anything else than apt / dpkg
[03:28] <cert> thoreauputic : thanks you are right..
[03:28] <thoreauputic> cert: :) Bitter experience ;)
[03:28] <thoreauputic> cert: glad it worked out for you then
[03:28] <novaflare> well this time around with ubutnu i could see my self relegating windows to secoundary os
[03:29] <novaflare> that is unless i can get 3dmax and true space to work as well as my 2 games
[03:29] <novaflare> then its good by windows :)
[03:29] <thoreauputic> cert: have a look at apt-get build-depends (very useful)
[03:29] <novaflare> i figure if i can get rubies of eventide to run through wine winex or cedega
[03:29] <thoreauputic> sorry apt-get build-dep
[03:29] <novaflare> then by god theres no game out there that wont run
[03:30] <dockane> thats somehow the same with me here. i need photoshop ... tried to compile gimpshop and ended up in dependencies
[03:30] <cert> thoreauputic: did that apt-get build-depends, E:invalid operation build
[03:30] <novaflare> yup
[03:30] <thoreauputic> cert see my correction above
[03:30] <novaflare> 1 or 2 appliations preventing the move from windows to linux totaly
[03:31] <thoreauputic> cert: and of course the package name needs to be specified
[03:31] <cert> ok ok
[03:31] <cert> thanks
[03:31] <thoreauputic> cert: sudo apt-get install apt-howto
[03:31] <dockane> novaflare, maybe check out blender ?
[03:31] <novaflare> no good
[03:31] <novaflare> see i go to a 3d chat
[03:31] <novaflare> that can use .cob files (truespace format)nativly for avatars
[03:32] <dockane> sounds interesting
[03:32] <novaflare> so the program i use must do cob nativly and correctly
[03:32] <novaflare> 3dmax i use to do fine work like removing extra verts that are not needed
[03:32] <dockane> some years ago i started experimenting with povray
[03:32] <novaflare> i could do with out 3dmax
[03:33] <novaflare> but truespace is a must
[03:33] <novaflare> see as long as the 3d program i use will load a format truespace can import and export
[03:33] <novaflare> i can use the 3d application
[03:35] <dockane> its always the same ... proprietary filetypes do not get supported unless they free for the oss or they are too important to get ignored
[03:36] <novaflare> well while not open source
[03:38] <othernoob> anyone use opera 8.0 final build 1095 ?
[03:38] <Rev_Fry> Hoary on an AMD64bit 768MB ram Radeon 9700XT running 32bit not 64bit version... random hangs and applications refuse to start.  *shrug*  Any ideas?  I have the radeon drive in...
[03:39] <Rev_Fry> er drivers
[03:39] <othernoob> Rev_Fry which kernel
[03:39] <Rev_Fry> What ever came on the ISO... I haven't made any changes there.
[03:40] <Rev_Fry> Is there a quick console method to fetch that?
[03:40] <Delicates> what is Ubuntu based on?
[03:40] <reka> uname -a
[03:40] <othernoob> it's 2.6.10-5 most likely
[03:40] <othernoob> Delicates: debian
[03:40] <Rev_Fry> Linux Gorthaur 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Fri May 20 13:52:48 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:41] <reka> Delicates: it's debian based
[03:41] <Delicates> so it uses apt for installation?
[03:41] <Rev_Fry> Well.. the clock is off
[03:41] <othernoob> Delicates yes
[03:41] <reka> Delicates: yep
[03:41] <Delicates> what's the default desktop manager?
[03:41] <reka> Delicates: is that good or bad news for you? :-)
[03:42] <reka> gnome 2.10
[03:42] <othernoob> Delicates ubuntu=gnome, kubuntu= kde
[03:42] <Delicates> reka: good, just trying to figure out what sets Ubuntu apart from other distros
[03:42] <Rev_Fry> Anything apparently, othernoob?
[03:43] <novaflare> 3ds is one that any 3d program can make use of freely
[03:43] <novaflare> freind of mine was workign on makeing a 3d modeler
[03:43] <novaflare> and used 3ds
[03:43] <othernoob> Rev_Fry: i dont know, sorry, if you had been using 2.6.11 i'd have guessed it's the kernel :/
[03:44] <Fator_Dee> Rev_Fry: memory problems perhaps?
[03:44] <Delicates> does it also use Debian Installer, or does it have it's own custom installer?
[03:44] <Rev_Fry> Yeah.. things just hang... I put the process monitor applet on the bar and it won't start the sytem monitor when I click it.. I try clicking the firefox icon and the wait cursor comes up and disappears... try typing mozilla-firefox in the terminal and it just sits there.  *shrug*
[03:44] <Rev_Fry> Fator_dee... I don't want to think that.  =(
[03:44] <topyli> Delicates: it's a customized sarge installer
[03:45] <Fator_Dee> Rev_Fry: no one wants to, but if it's the truth...
[03:45] <novaflare> in windows id suspect file coruption
[03:45] <dockane> Rev_Fry, what about a live cd ... similiar problems ?
[03:45] <novaflare> wich could be caused by mem problems
[03:45] <Rev_Fry> dockane... not that I've noticed... and I don't hang in XP (gags)
[03:47] <Winux> Why there is no update for gaim available on Ubuntu?
[03:47] <Fator_Dee> Winux: hoary is frozen
[03:47] <Fator_Dee> Winux: only security updates
[03:47] <Winux> I still have to use 1.1.4 Version
[03:47] <Winux> Why is it so?
[03:47] <Fator_Dee> it's Ubuntus policy
[03:48] <Fator_Dee> ask the devs why
[03:48] <Winux> Great
[03:48] <Fator_Dee> maybe they want to be sure everything is starble
[03:48] <Dave2|Laptop> Winux, so you can base your machines on the distro and be sure things won't change
[03:48] <Fator_Dee> stable...
[03:48] <Dave2|Laptop> Security fixes are backported
[03:48] <thoreauputic> Winux: 6 month release cycle
[03:48] <Winux> Great, fantastic!
[03:49] <archie> hello people
[03:49] <Dave2|Laptop> hi
[03:49] <Winux> (ironic)
[03:49] <thoreauputic> Winux: you can use a later version, either compile it or find an autopackage of it
[03:49] <Dave2|Laptop> *sarcastic
[03:49] <archie> i've read the starters guide and got pppoe up but what do i do next to config my connection?
[03:50] <Dave2|Laptop> Yeah, gaim provides a .package
[03:50] <archie> only got an icon at the app>system ... what's next?
[03:50] <Winux> What is "autopackage"?
[03:50] <Dave2|Laptop> Winux, http://autopackage.org/
[03:50] <Dave2|Laptop> Distribution-neutral packaging format
[03:51] <Winux> Hm
[03:51] <thoreauputic> Winux: and please stop the sarcasm: Ubuntu is free of cost anyway
[03:51] <Winux> Free of cost but not free of frustration :-D
[03:51] <Dave2|Laptop> There are very good reasons for being stable
[03:51] <reka> Dave2|Laptop: that sounds neat.
[03:51] <thoreauputic> Winux: and it's Linux, so you can do as you please if you know how to compile source code
[03:51] <Dave2|Laptop> Many distros have the same methodology.
[03:51] <Dave2|Laptop> Red Hat, for instance
[03:52] <nickrud> archie, I'm not sure what you mean
[03:52] <archie> hello nickrud
[03:52] <nickrud> hello, archie
[03:52] <archie> i meant i followed the starters guide in installing rp-pppoe ... to the letter
[03:53] <archie> i got it on the start bar but that's about all it does
[03:53] <nickrud> archie, which starter's guide
[03:53] <Fator_Dee> Dave2|Laptop: are those .package's easy to uninstall? no hassleing involved?
[03:53] <archie> ahmmm the unofficial
[03:53] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: absurdly simple
[03:53] <Winux> How can I install an autopackage?
[03:53] <Fator_Dee> give me an example :-)
[03:53] <Dave2|Laptop> Winux, there's a 4 step guide on the site
[03:53] <Fator_Dee> apt-get simple?
[03:53] <thoreauputic> Winux: go read the page
[03:54] <thoreauputic> Winux: for heaven's sake...
[03:54] <Dave2|Laptop> Fator_Dee, package remove [packagename] 
[03:54] <Dave2|Laptop> Fator_Dee, or use the GUI tool
[03:54] <Winux> This page is confusing
[03:54] <thoreauputic> Winux: they even have a flash demo: how simple do you want it?
[03:54] <Delicates> does Ubuntu use XFree86 or X.org?
[03:54] <Dave2|Laptop> bah, navi.cx seems to be dead.
[03:54] <archie> then i got over to the network settings but it's just the modem and the ethernet listed no pppoe
[03:54] <Dave2|Laptop> Delicates, xorg as of Hoary
[03:55] <Fator_Dee> Delicates: warty = xfree, hoary = xorg
[03:55] <Delicates> cool
[03:55] <Winux> Got it
[03:55] <Delicates> so as I understand it from reading, it is simply sid polished and released every 6 months?
[03:56] <thoreauputic> Delicates: approximately
[03:56] <thoreauputic> Delicates: extra stuff as well
[03:56] <Winux> Okay, I must leave now
[03:56] <nickrud> archie, when I had pppoe, I just used the standard tool, pppoeconf. then pon, poff in a terminal
[03:56] <archie> nickrud, ru still with me?
[03:56] <Delicates> ah yes, plus funky binaries
[03:56] <Delicates> is X.org the default in sid as well nowdays?
[03:57] <Dave2|Laptop> Delicates, no
[03:57] <Rev_Fry> When I try and start an app the process shows in top and sits there.  =/  I wonder if it's possibly a graphics issue.
[03:57] <archie> lemme try that now ...tnx
[03:57] <Rev_Fry> *shrug*
[03:57] <Dave2|Laptop> Delicates, they're not going to do xorg packages until Sarge is released
[03:57] <Dave2|Laptop> AFAIK
[03:57] <Delicates> Dave2|Laptop: thought so
[03:57] <dooglus> I have followed chapter 3 of http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats to try to get 'esd' to go away, but it still doesn't.  Any suggestions?
[03:57] <Fator_Dee> Rev_Fry: try to disable the ati drivers?
[03:58] <Rev_Fry> *nods*  Doing it now
[03:58] <thoreauputic> dooglus: topyli (I think) suggested ` sudo chmod -x /usr/bin/esd`
[03:58] <thoreauputic> dooglus: I've done it and it seems to be working well here :)
[03:58] <Rev_Fry> Oh.. it says ati there and not the fxlgr or what ever the specific ones I loaded are  Hrmmm
[03:59] <topyli> thoreauputic: not me :)
[03:59] <thoreauputic> topyli: ah, sorry - i thought it was you
[03:59] <Fator_Dee> Rev_Fry: well, try to enable them :-)
[03:59] <topyli> thoreauputic: i'd suggest fixing esd. or replacing it with a sane sound server :)
[03:59] <thoreauputic> topyli: anyway it's effective:)
[03:59] <thoreauputic> topyli: agreed :)
[03:59] <dooglus> thoreauputic: (I can see your name now that I've changed the background to black and the foreground to white) I think I still need esd for some programs (like totem?) - but according to that RestrictedFormats wiki page, you can ask esd to back off when it's not active
[03:59] <Rev_Fry> Also... it lists my video card bus as PCI... should I worry since it's AGP?
[04:00] <thoreauputic> dooglus: hmm - I use totem-xine
[04:00] <indigoak> Okay...how does one go about setting up PPPoE with Ubuntu XD
[04:00] <thoreauputic> dooglus: works fine that way
[04:00] <jmjone1> anyone know of a good network configuration/management tool, preferably an applet for gnome?
[04:00] <jmjone1> i'm not terribly impressed with the default one.
[04:00] <reka> Rev_Fry: don't think you should worry.  my 9600pro is listed in lspci
[04:00] <thoreauputic> dooglus: also I used the suggestions for fixing sound on http://ubuntuguide.org
[04:00] <jmjone1> the profiles are at best....unreliable
[04:00] <jmjone1> at least for me
[04:00] <indigoak> I use PPPoE to connect and I have to use a username and password...so how would I go about setting that up?
[04:01] <Fator_Dee> indigoak: pppoeconf
[04:01] <indigoak> just type that into the terminal? :P
[04:01] <Fator_Dee> indigoak: yes, it's quite automagik
[04:01] <thoreauputic> jmjone1: man interfaces *runs away*
[04:01] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[04:02] <indigoak> OKay...this is my first Linux distro...so I'm a little slow.. :P
[04:02] <Rev_Fry> reka... in xorg.conf what're you using for your driver?
[04:03] <Rev_Fry> I was mistaken.. I'm running an Asus 9600XT
[04:03] <reka> Rev_Fry: fglrx: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:03] <dooglus> thoreauputic: thanks.  i hadn't heard of that site before.  looks good!
[04:03] <archie> re nickrud OK i got the pppoeconf, set up the user and passwd and pon. i still cant get a thing in firefox
[04:03] <archie> nickrud, what's next?
[04:03] <thoreauputic> dooglus: yes, it's a one - stop shop, pretty much :)
[04:04] <indigoak> Fator_Dee: how does the username and password work..does it prompt me for it :/
[04:04] <Winux> Hey, it worked! Thank you so much!!
[04:04] <nickrud> archie, ifconfig, you should see ppp
[04:04] <Rev_Fry> thanks I grabbed fglrx but never modified the xorg.conf
[04:04] <thoreauputic> dooglus: I don't agree with all of it , but it seems pretty sound in general
[04:04] <Fator_Dee> indigoak: yes, it should
[04:04] <indigoak> k...thanks :)
[04:04] <archie> nickrud, sorry i dont get that
[04:04] <thoreauputic> Winux: autopackage?
[04:04] <Rev_Fry> brb
[04:04] <nickrud> archie, yeah, it was kinda obsure :)
[04:05] <Winux> Yes
[04:05] <dooglus> wow.  I just plugged in my external hard disk, and before I could bring up an editor as root to start adding entries to /etc/fstab for the partitions on it, 6 new windows popped up, one for each partition!  it's like mandrake, only it works!  :)
[04:05] <Winux> It worked
[04:05] <Winux> Cool!
[04:05] <thoreauputic> Winux: glad it worked for you :)
[04:05] <nickrud> archie, in a terminal, type ifconfig. the output should show an entry for ppp
[04:05] <archie> nickrud, :p
[04:05] <reka> ok, my question: i'm tyring to enable dma on my cdrom and dvd drives.  hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd from the command line works fine, but when i add an entry in hdparm.conf, on bootup it says /dev/dvd: no such file or directory.  dma seems to get enabled though.
[04:05] <archie> nickrud, brb trying it out
[04:06] <thoreauputic> reka: don't worry about it: hotplug doesn't see it until later in the boot sequence
[04:06] <thoreauputic> reka: a lot of people have seen the same thing
[04:06] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: but that message is quite irritating :-p
[04:06] <reka> thoreauputic: ah.  so just a matter of timing?
[04:06] <shinu> i just did sudo apt-get install wine, but when i execute wine it says bash: /usr/local/bin/wine: No such file or directory
[04:06] <shinu> anyone know why?
[04:06] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: well, I personally don't care if it works :)
[04:06] <shinu> i mean why it didnt install wine properly
[04:07] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: me neither, but someone could freak out
[04:07] <Winux> bye
[04:07] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: several people have ;)
[04:07] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: no wonder :-D
[04:08] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: warty used to start with an alarming message about non-existent address spce, I seem to recall
[04:08] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: but of course it worked anyway
[04:08] <archie> nickrud, i got 2 listings - eth0 and lo - eth0 seems to be receiving and transmitting but nothing is loading on the broswer
[04:08] <nickrud> archie, open two terminals
[04:09] <pfp> shinu: try 'hash -r', then wine
[04:09] <Rev_Fry> We'll see how this works
[04:09] <archie> nickrud, another thing i ctrl+alt+backspace and i got into the fullscreen terminal ... how do i get back to gdm?
[04:09] <thoreauputic> archie: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[04:09] <pfp> shinu: it should be (or is) in /usr/bin/wine
[04:10] <archie> i tried ... sudo killall gnome hehehe that didn't work
[04:10] <nickrud> archie, try ctr-alt-f7 first
[04:11] <nickrud> archie, then, if that doesn't work, invoke-rc.d gdm start
[04:11] <archie> wow ur magic mann
[04:11] <shinu> pfp: as root?
[04:11] <archie> nickrud, ur the man
[04:11] <nickrud> archie, not really, you're just asking about things i've done
[04:12] <archie> got the gdm up so what do i do with the other terminal?
[04:12] <shinu> pfp: ok thanks :D it worked
[04:12] <pfp> shinu: no, from the same shell where you are starting wine
[04:12] <Fator_Dee> nickrud: shh, don't tell your secrets ;-)
[04:12] <pfp> shinu: great :)
[04:12] <nickrud> archie, log in, and open two terminals
[04:12] <archie> nickrud, u can be sure that next time someone ask about this ... i can help
[04:12] <nickrud> Fator_Dee, that's also a disclaimer, so I can back out when I'm over my head ;P
[04:12] <Fator_Dee> :-)
[04:13] <archie> nickrud, one terminal is ifconfig and ...
[04:13] <nickrud> archie, in one, type poff
[04:13] <nickrud> in the other, tail -f /var/log/syslog
[04:14] <archie> says no ppd is running
[04:14] <archie> nickrud, says no ppd is running
[04:14] <aque> Hi all. People, i need a little help abot sudo
[04:14] <aque> how can i change password for it?
[04:14] <nickrud> archie, that's what I was expecting, but just to be safe
[04:14] <crimsun> aque: that's your user's passwd, of course
[04:15] <thoreauputic> aque: change your user passwd
[04:15] <Fator_Dee> aque: you'd have to create a separate root account if you'd want to change it
[04:15] <aque> oh .ok, thanx a lot.
[04:15] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: no, not to chab=nge a sudo passwd
[04:15] <thoreauputic> *change
[04:15] <hyperion> amarocker rockt das STNE Radio join http://217.79.183.156
[04:16] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: I thought he wanted to have the same user password but different sudo password :-|
[04:16] <Fator_Dee> interpretation problems
[04:17] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: ah, I see
[04:17] <reka> Fator_Dee: uh, aren't they one and the same?
[04:17] <Fator_Dee> reka: yes
[04:18] <archie> nickrud, what can i do now?
[04:18] <nickrud> archie, ok, the tail thing will show us what happens when you type pon in the first terminal, so, type pon :)
[04:19] <archie> aleady did says rp-pppoe plugin 3.3 something
[04:19] <archie> nickrud,
[04:19] <IIIEars_> .
[04:19] <IIIEars_> Good Morning! :)
[04:20] <reka> morning! :-)
[04:20] <jeroen_> morning? Midday! :p
[04:20] <archie> nickrud, rp-pppoe version 3.3 plugin compiled against pppd 2.4.2
[04:20] <linuxboy> does the defauly ubuntu kernel support himem? if so, to what size?
[04:21] <crimsun> linuxboy: the default does not include highmem support
[04:21] <crimsun> (-386)
[04:21] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: if you have a gig of ram, get a 686 linux-image
[04:21] <crimsun> linuxboy: otherwise it's set to 4G
[04:21] <thoreauputic> or equivalent
[04:22] <linuxboy> crimsun: your saying that the 686 kernel supports 4gb?
[04:22] <crimsun> linuxboy: yes
[04:22] <linuxboy> crimsun: thanx
[04:22] <nickrud> archie, in the syslog, when you typed pon, some text should have appeared, recording what your system did when you typed pon.
[04:22] <linuxboy> crimsun: the 386 supports less then a gig?
[04:22] <nickrud> archie, did that happen?
[04:23] <wilbertoki> does anyone know how I can set my ubuntu laptop to only turn off screen when I close the lid
[04:23] <crimsun> linuxboy: 896M
[04:23] <linuxboy> crimsun: thanx
[04:23] <IIIEars_> The 686 kernel extends addressable memory. Why should you have a gig of RAM to use that image?
[04:23] <pfp> wilbertoki: /etc/acpi/lid.sh IIRC
[04:23] <archie> if u mean when after i pppoeconf something happened
[04:23] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: it isn't compulsory :)
[04:24] <IIIEars_> oka - whew
[04:24] <archie> but pon just says the rp-pppoe version compileagains pppd 2.4.2
[04:24] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: I only have 512MB but I use the 686 kernel anyway
[04:24] <IIIEars_> "" < 1g
[04:24] <archie> nickrud,  if u mean when after i pppoeconf something happened
[04:24] <nickrud> archie, in the second terminal, where you typed tail -f /var/log/syslog
[04:24] <archie> nickrud, but pon just says the rp-pppoe version compileagains pppd 2.4.2
[04:25] <archie> nope i ididn't type that in yet
[04:25] <wilbertoki> pfp: /etc/acpi/lid.sh do I have to change that file, I dont undertand what IIRC is, is that a command Im passing to the lid.sh script?
[04:25] <reka> thoreauputic: me too.  are there any other benefits to using the 686 kernel? (relative newbie here.)
[04:25] <archie> will do that now
[04:25] <thoreauputic> reka: in theory I think yes: I personally can't tell any difference
[04:26] <pfp> wilbertoki: IIRC = if i recall correctly :)
[04:26] <thoreauputic> reka: some people tell me it's better for cpu intensive things like sound, nidi etc
[04:26] <thoreauputic> *midi
[04:26] <dooglus> reka: I would assume that the 686 uses instructions which the 386 one doesn't.  you might notice a performance gain
[04:26] <pfp> wilbertoki: i  had to customize lid.sh on warty, but hoary may have something more advanced now
[04:27] <archie> nickrud, i got movements similar to a ping
[04:27] <wilbertoki> pfp: I have lookd at lid.sh but I do not know what to change it to
[04:27] <IIIEars_> Curious - should HTT laptops use the smp kernel?
[04:27] <pfp> wilbertoki: i don't have my ubuntu laptop at hand now, though i can check later
[04:27] <dooglus> thoreauputic: how did you install the 686 kernel?  I don't see a package in synaptic for it
[04:27] <reka> thoreauputic: hehe. i can't see a big difference either.  but then again, maybe i'm not benchmarking properly.   i have said something about not seeing a difference before ...someone made a crack about gentoo users. :-)
[04:28] <mjr> IIIEars_, well, if you want HT to work, yes
[04:28] <bob2> IIIEars_: if you want HT to do anything, you need a smp kernel, yes
[04:28] <archie> nickrud, i might be doing this wrong i did what u said and opened 2 terminals
[04:28] <bob2> IIIEars_: and a specific boot option, since ubuntu disable it by default (it's a security risk on multi-user systems)
[04:28] <thoreauputic> dooglus: it's there: apt-cache search linux-image
[04:28] <archie> nickrud, but somehow i was just doing everything in one
[04:28] <archie> nickrud, was i bad?
[04:28] <nickrud> archie, no, just learning :)
[04:28] <dooglus> thoreauputic: heh.  "linux-image", not "kernel-2.6.something-686"?  odd that the kernel doesn't have 'kernel' in its package name, wouldn't you say?
[04:29] <reka> dooglus: linux-686
[04:29] <IIIEars_> I was reading about that
[04:29] <archie> nickrud, tnx for ur understanding
[04:29] <thoreauputic> reka: I put it in the same category as people who *must* have reiser4 ;)
[04:29] <dooglus> reka: thanks.  "linux-image-686"
[04:29] <archie> do i need to do it all over again? g i hope nawt
[04:29] <wilbertoki> pfp: thanks, it seems that the lid.sh script calls /usr/share/acpi-support/screenblank I think I just have to change screenblank script to actually do screenoff
[04:29] <wilbertoki> pfp: what I want is to use an external monitor and close the lid
[04:29] <thoreauputic> dooglus: well, linux is the kernel - the rest is the OS ( talk to Richard Stallman *grin*)
[04:30] <Fator_Dee> archie: did you already try if your internet works?
[04:30] <Rev_Fry> So far so good with the different drivers.... I'll try an abuse the system today and see if it holds up  =)
[04:30] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I know, and that's fair enough.
[04:30] <nickrud> archie, so, in one terminal, you have a bunch of lines that start with the date, right?
[04:31] <thoreauputic> dooglus: GNU/BSD/Ubuntu/Debian Linux *smile*
[04:31] <reka> Rev_Fry: which drivers?
[04:31] <Turms> running dselect i cannot find the kernel source for 2.6.8.1 is there a reason or am i doing something wrong?
[04:31] <archie> nah ... it still doesn't work and yes that's what i got ... abunch of dates and a dchpdiscover (think)
[04:31] <archie> i got the other computer in another room nickrud
[04:32] <nickrud> archie, I figured it was a ways away
[04:32] <thoreauputic> Turms: search for linux-source
[04:32] <reka> Turms: same deal: linux-source-2.6.8 probably
[04:32] <archie> nickrud, that is not very serious, is it?
[04:32] <cmg_> i'm looking for a good gui cvs client in ubuntu universe.. any reccomendations?  (lincvs and gcvs both look decent)
[04:32] <pfp> wilbertoki: ok, good. probably better to edit lid.sh (stuff under /etc is meant to be customized, unlike stuff under /usr)
[04:33] <pfp> iirc :P
[04:33] <nickrud> archie, try this: sudo ifdown eth0, then pon
[04:33] <archie> nickrud, coz im here in one computer running fedora 3 and i thought of moving the adsl modem to the other computer
[04:33] <nickrud> archie, you need the modem connected to configure it
[04:33] <dooglus> I've got no sound at all now.  :(
[04:34] <archie> nickrud, now it tells me eth0 is not configured
[04:35] <IIIEars_> dooglus - thats no fun. a plugin D/L binge killed mine last night. - disabled all and reenabled one at a time 'til it worked.
[04:36] <archie> nickrud, it is connected and power on
[04:36] <dooglus> IIIEars_: it was working not long ago.  I changed the kernel boot-time parameters to get the external drive working (append="devfs=mount splash=silent acpi=ht resume=/dev/hda5") - maybe that broke the sound...
[04:36] <IIIEars_> Synaptic is the best thing since sliced bread.
[04:36] <dooglus> I'll reboot without those parameters and see if sound comes back...
[04:36] <nickrud> archie, now run pppoeconf
[04:36] <archie> nickrud, OK brb
[04:36] <thoreauputic> archie:  fuser /dev/snd/* and see what's using it
[04:37] <yahalom> can someone please tell me how to copy cds with nautilus
[04:37] <thoreauputic> oops, sorry that was for dooglus
[04:37] <yahalom> ?
[04:37] <Turms> thoreauputic reka   thanks i was looking for kernel-source
[04:40] <IIIEars_> thoreauputic - could  (append="devfs=mount splash=silent acpi=ht resume=/dev/hda5") affect the sound?
[04:41] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: I haven't a clue ;-)
[04:41] <dooglus> IIIEars_: I rebooted without those parameters
[04:41] <dooglus> IIIEars_: it's still not making a sound
[04:41] <flames> hi, which player can i play apple movie trailers? for example this: http://movies.apple.com/movies/qt_posters/qtstart5a_480x228.mov mplayer give an error: Cannot find codec
[04:41] <thoreauputic> dooglus: does fuser /dev/snd/*   show the devices in use?
[04:42] <dooglus> fuser /dev/snd/*
[04:42] <archie> nickrud, didn't get anything on fuser and the message on plog is mtu and mru can't increase to 1500
[04:42] <dooglus> haha.  not if I type it here it doesn't!
[04:42] <thoreauputic> flames: sounds like you need the w32codecs
[04:42] <archie> heheh
[04:42] <dooglus> thoreauputic: do you mean "fuser -c"?
[04:42] <archie> funny
[04:43] <thoreauputic> flames:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:43] <thoreauputic> dooglus: ?
[04:43] <dooglus> thoreauputic: the command you told me doesn't print any output.
[04:43] <dooglus> thoreauputic: but if I use the '-c' flag I see a lot of output
[04:43] <flames> w32codecs is installed
[04:43] <IIIEars_> fuser = newb is googling again. - wide grin
[04:44] <dooglus> thoreauputic: oh, I see...  -c means to show all processes using all files on the same device as those devices...
[04:44] <thoreauputic> dooglus:you lost me there ;)
[04:45] <thoreauputic> that was quite a tortured sentence... hahah
[04:45] <archie> nickrud, got any ideas? i really hate to put the modem back to fedora ... i really like ubuntu but i can only get it to connect to a gateway (slow)
[04:45] <dooglus> thoreauputic: if I play some music, then your fuser command shows that the mplayer is using /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p and /dev/snd/timer
[04:45] <dooglus> thoreauputic: and if I stop the music player, fuser shows that nothing is using the devices
[04:45] <thoreauputic> dooglus: you can play sound then?
[04:45] <IIIEars_> << left to own devices is perpetually lost.
[04:45] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I can play sounds, but I can't hear them...
[04:45] <thoreauputic> dooglus: that's logical, is it not?
[04:45] <thoreauputic> ah, I see
[04:46] <dooglus> thoreauputic: it's as if my ears stopped working.  ubuntu tells me they're playing.
[04:46] <reka> flames: you could try adding the mplayer codecs: http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/codecs.html
[04:46] <thoreauputic> I was thinking something was blocking your sound
[04:46] <archie> nickrud, should we just give it a rest for now
[04:47] <thoreauputic> dooglus: hmm... I find killing everything sound related and restarting alsa sometimes resurrects sound
[04:47] <dooglus> alsa?
[04:47] <dooglus> hmmm
[04:47] <archie> dooglus, u really crack me up ... ur great
[04:47] <thoreauputic> sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[04:47] <IIIEars_> dooglus - It isn't an OSS,ESD,ALSA driver conflict?
[04:47] <dooglus> I don't have any 'alsa' running.
[04:47] <dooglus> archie: thanks.  I'm great?
[04:47] <flames> thx reka, i try it
[04:47] <archie> dooglus, well hilarious
[04:48] <dooglus> IIIEars_: I killed the esd process
[04:48] <dooglus> archie: we aim to please.
[04:48] <yonil> anyone feeling like playing lbreakout2 ? im bored :|
[04:48] <thoreauputic> dooglus: without alsa you won'r hear a thing
[04:48] <archie> dooglus, that's great to me
[04:48] <thoreauputic> *won't
[04:48] <dooglus> thoreauputic: maybe I need to run alsa then...  what's the command?
[04:48] <thoreauputic> sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[04:49] <archie> nickrud, have u given up on this poor helpless newbie?
[04:49] <thoreauputic> dooglus: all the other bits like OSS need alsa as well in 2.6.* kernels
[04:49] <archie> nickrud, i don't think so
[04:50] <prasad> is it possible to play .dat files using totem?
[04:50] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I see "shutting down ALSA - ok; setting up ALSA - ok" - but still "ps -ef | grep -i alsa" shows nothing, and still my ears tell me that nothing's playing
[04:50] <nickrud> archie, no, work called for a bit
[04:50] <bob2> prasad: .dat is not a format
[04:50] <archie> nickrud, ohh sorry
[04:50] <bob2> prasad: it depends on what is in the file
[04:51] <bob2> dooglus: alsa doesn't use any userspace daemons or anything...
[04:51] <nickrud> archie, I stepped away for what I thought was a second, it took longer :)
[04:51] <thoreauputic> dooglus: alsa won't show up like that on your ps command
[04:51] <dooglus> bob2: ok.  so maybe it's set up ok.
[04:51] <archie> nickrud, it was my misunderstanding
[04:51] <Jormundgand> I have a predicament. I have four Fedora CD images and want to boot from one. I could mount one but then I'd lose the CD image when I repartitioned. What can I do?
[04:51] <bob2> it should be setup perfectly when you first boot
[04:51] <IIIEars_> ls /etc/init.d/
[04:51] <dooglus> bob2: the thing is, the display tells me it's playing, but I can't hear it.
[04:51] <bob2> dooglus: unmute it
[04:51] <thoreauputic> dooglus: I'm playing music here and alsa doesn't figure in that output
[04:51] <dooglus> bob2: how?
[04:51] <IIIEars_> will that tell what is startable?
[04:51] <prasad> i could play .dat file in windows using xing player
[04:52] <crimsun> dooglus: paste the output from amixer onto http://pastebin.com
[04:52] <bob2> dooglus: alsamixer, make sure none of them have MM at the bottom
[04:52] <thoreauputic> dooglus: run alsamixer and use m
[04:52] <dooglus> bob2: I see a 'loudspeaker' icon in the top right of my desktop.  the volume there is turned up.
[04:52] <bob2> prasad: that doesn't tell us what the format is
[04:52] <nickrud> archie, I haven't given up, but I'm short time time right now, so...
[04:52] <prasad> bob2: what is it that i need to know?
[04:52] <thoreauputic> dooglus: do what bob2 and I suggested
[04:52] <bob2> Jormundgand: how does this involve ubuntu?
[04:53] <bob2> prasad: what the file actually is
[04:53] <archie> nickrud, it was kind of u to give me some of ur time
[04:53] <reka> ok, another boot-up gripe:
[04:53] <reka> Setting the system clock using the hardware clock as reference ... [OK] 
[04:53] <reka> /etc/init.d/rcS: line54: /etc/rcS.d/S5Intpdate: permission denied
[04:53] <Jormundgand> bob2: I'm currently using ubuntu so I figured I'd ask here for instruction.
[04:53] <archie> nickrud, mebbe another time
[04:53] <dooglus> yow!
[04:53] <prasad> bob2: its a movie file
[04:53] <bob2> IIIEars_: ls /etc/rc2./S*, that will show things that will start on boot
[04:53] <dooglus> that was it.  the "PCM" was muted.  it suddently got VERY loud!
[04:53] <bob2> IIIEars_: oh, and ls /etc/rcS.d/S*
[04:53] <dooglus> thanks for the help guys :)
[04:53] <thoreauputic> dooglus: hahah
[04:53] <bob2> dooglus: 9/10 alsa problems are things being muted ;)
[04:53] <nickrud> archie, ask again, some one should try
[04:53] <bob2> prasad: that's still not very useful
[04:53] <IIIEars> Terrific! Thank You.
[04:54] <thoreauputic> dooglus: you have a new weapon in your arsenal :)
[04:54] <nickrud> archie, bye
[04:54] <bob2> prasad: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, xine/mplayer can play most anything
[04:54] <archie> nickrud, u have a nice day
[04:54] <archie> nickrud, thanks again
[04:54] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I never saw 'alsamixer' before, in all my Mandrake/Mandriva/CentOS days
[04:54] <prasad> bob2: thanx i would just try to follow the link
[04:54] <nickrud> archie, I hope it's nice, but it looks like it will a busy one :)
[04:54] <bob2> prasad: good luck
[04:54] <thoreauputic> dooglus: it's well hidden ;)
[04:55] <thoreauputic> dooglus: like a lot of other utilities, you only find them by living in the cli for a while
[04:56] <dooglus> thoreauputic: it's funny you mentioned "Your Arsenal".  It's the name of a Morrissey CD.  The track I was using to test the sound, in fact the only .mp3 I have on this computer was a Morrissey track.
[04:56] <dooglus> http://www.passionsjustlikemine.com/moz-db04ya.htm
[04:56] <IIIEars> If it doesn't work in linux it's all there in black and white on the command line..
[04:57] <thoreauputic> dooglus: I'm psychic, evidently ;-)
[04:57] <IIIEars> lol
[04:58] <dooglus> so - I'll reboot back into the kernel with the parameters that let me use the external drive now.  hopefully that's now 2 more things I can tick off the 'list of stuff I must get sorted before deciding to stick with ubuntu'
[04:58] <wnight> quit
[04:59] <Kimppa> Hi. How can I find out which version of kernel I have?
[04:59] <thoreauputic> Kimppa: uname -r
[04:59] <pfp> Kimppa: kirjota uname -r
[04:59] <nickrud> archie, you still here?
[05:00] <Kimppa> Thanks / Kiitos
[05:00] <nickrud> if anyone sees archie, he needs to ifup eth0, I forgot to reset it before leaving
[05:02] <dooglus> if archie doesn't "ifup eth0", nobody will be seeing him...  :)
[05:02] <Jormundgand> I have two CD images. I want to boot from one of them. However, I have no CD-Rs and my CD-writer does not work under Ubuntu. I can mount the images as CDs, but I would then lose them when I repartitioned. What should I do?
[05:03] <Jormundgand> (And yes, I do realise how much that sounds like a two cows joke.)
[05:04] <dooglus> Jormundgand: you want to boot from a CD that you haven't written yet, and you have no blank media?
[05:04] <prasad> Jormundgand : use install cd to install and live to boot fom cdrom
[05:04] <Jormundgand> dooglus: Yes.
[05:05] <dooglus> Jormundgand: I don't think it's possible to boot from a non-existant CD
[05:05] <bob2> Jormundgand: you can't boot cds you've mounted
[05:05] <caonex> anybody here running automounter (autofs) ?
[05:05] <Jormundgand> dooglus: More seriously than not having any blank media, my CDwriter doesn't work under Ubuntu. It just crashes the machine.
[05:06] <dooglus> Jormundgand: assuming you can get some blank media at some point soon, don't you have another OS available with working CD burning software on it?
[05:07] <Jormundgand> Yes, but that's problematic. The only other CD writer in the house is my father's, and he's a Microserf.
[05:07] <caonex> Jormundgand, what is the brand name and model of your writer?
[05:07] <Jormundgand> caonex: f***ed if I know. This box is an HP piece of crap.
[05:07] <caonex> Hmm....you are still able to...
[05:08] <caonex> Jormundgand, are you running ubuntu right now?
[05:08] <Jormundgand> Yes.
[05:08] <caonex> Jormundgand, if you are type this dmesg | grep hd
[05:08] <caonex> tell me what you get
[05:09] <IIIEars> Is there a command line web browser?            (links?)
[05:09] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: several
[05:09] <IIIEars> What do you use?
[05:09] <zenrox> just apt-get it
[05:09] <zenrox> i use lynx
[05:09] <othernoob> IIIEars: lynx
[05:09] <pfp> IIIEars: elinks, links, lynx
[05:09] <thoreauputic> lynx. links, w3m
[05:09] <IIIEars> :) - Thanks
[05:10] <pfp> elinks even has tabs, heh
[05:10] <Jormundgand> caonex: PM or paste in #flood?
[05:10] <IIIEars> heh
[05:10] <eruin> I think w3m is the one installed by default
[05:10] <thoreauputic> eruin: yes] 
[05:10] <othernoob> Jormundgand: why not use www.pastebin.com ?
[05:10] <caonex> paste it in ubuntu.pastebin.com/pastebin.php
[05:11] <dooglus> well, that's VERY odd.  I can now play movies on both the laptop's built-in screen and the external screen *at the same time*.  I've never been able to do that before - not in Linux and not in Windows.  I thought it was a limit of the graphics card.
[05:11] <IIIEars> w3m worked
[05:11] <K_Dallas> which one of those browsers support unicode?
[05:11] <zenrox> all
[05:11] <K_Dallas> cool :) thanks
[05:11] <Jormundgand> caonex: done.
[05:11] <shido6> dooglus, how?
[05:11] <caonex> Jormundgand, what is the page?
[05:11] <Jormundgand> caonex: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/290133
[05:12] <caonex> Jormundgand, give me the url, ah ok
[05:12] <dooglus> shido6: I don't know - I tried yesterday, and the 2nd screen always just showed a grid of red 'x's
[05:12] <dooglus> shido6: today, it's fine.
[05:12] <caonex> Jormundgand, hdc: CW058D ATAPI CD-R/RW, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
[05:13] <preglow> but has anyone got any idea why i can't mount root anymore, after upgrading to the new hoary kernel?
[05:13] <Jormundgand> caonex: What of it?
[05:13] <K_Dallas> and where i can find a short list of essential key strokes helpful in a terminal, like ctrl-a, ctrl-k etc?
[05:13] <caonex> Jormundgand, that is your burner
[05:13] <Jormundgand> caonex: I know.
[05:13] <caonex> Jormundgand, is your dvd working?
[05:13] <Jormundgand> caonex: No idea, never used it.
[05:13] <caonex> Jormundgand, did you look for that model in google or something?
[05:13] <thoreauputic> K_Dallas: probably tuxfiles.org
[05:14] <thoreauputic> or is it .com?
[05:14] <K_Dallas> thanks
[05:14] <K_Dallas> i check
[05:14] <othernoob> caonex: it's a cyberdrive
[05:14] <othernoob> caonex: http://www.cyberdrive.com/products.asp?Product=CW058D
[05:14] <K_Dallas> .org
[05:14] <dooglus> K_Dallas: do "man bash", then type "/Commands for Moving" and hit return
[05:15] <thoreauputic> K_Dallas: yup, I just checked too :)
[05:15] <K_Dallas> great dooglus
[05:15] <caonex> othernoob, i just noticed it..;)
[05:15] <othernoob> :)
[05:15] <othernoob> caonex: there are some firmware updates, think that'll help him ?
[05:16] <K_Dallas> dooglus, is it essentially like emacs?
[05:16] <caonex> othernoob, hmm, probably, but i am trying to find out the best module in the kernel for it.
[05:16] <caonex> othernoob, it may be loading the wrong module.
[05:17] <dooglus> K_Dallas: it is.  but, if you prefer vi to emacs, type "set -o vi" to a bash prompt - then the keys will be just like vi instead.  hit escape then k to go up a line, etc.
[05:17] <dooglus> "set -o emacs" to go back
[05:17] <caonex> othernoob, there has to be a way.
[05:17] <K_Dallas> i see, thank you
[05:17] <dooglus> "set -o microsoft word" if you want a full gui editing environment
[05:17] <dooglus> (not really)
[05:17] <othernoob> caonex: yea..
[05:18] <phend> so all...whats the scetch for getting modems to detect? :)
[05:18] <caonex> Jormundgand, ok so does it freeze only when burning? Can you read from it?
[05:18] <phend> sketch*
[05:18] <raz> BUG: Has anyone noticed how setting the 'Application font' to Cursor 8 will crash 'Properties' of the desktop bars (panels)?
[05:20] <raz> anyone else also getting that?
[05:20] <Jormundgand> caonex: Reading works fine. Apparently there's a problem with this particular model of writer.
[05:20] <caonex> Jormundgand, can you type this: lsmod | grep cdrom and pastebin it?
[05:20] <Jormundgand> cdrom                  36508  1 ide_cd
[05:20] <caonex> Jormundgand, you reading that online?
[05:21] <Jormundgand> caonex: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/01/msg02172.html
[05:21] <K_Dallas> i am sorry but i dont seem to understand this combination? C-x Rubout
[05:21] <caonex> Jormundgand, that may not be it....because you have a dvd rom as well...hmmm...
[05:21] <HiddenWolf> all right guys, I have a weird problem. Suddenly I get a "unsupported format" error in grub when I try to dual boot to winblows. How can I fix that?
[05:22] <othernoob> Jormundgand: why keep the drive then ;)
[05:22] <K_Dallas> HiddenWolf, what partition and file system is your windows installed on and is the error for windows?
[05:22] <HiddenWolf> K_Dallas: windows is on /dev/hda1, only one partition on the disk, and the error for windows is grub error 13.
[05:23] <Jormundgand> othernoob: I'm limited by lack of funds.
[05:23] <othernoob> Jormundgand: heh, good reason :/
[05:23] <K_Dallas> so your linux is on another hd i presume. is hda ntfs or fat32 and what is the line in grub?
[05:23] <HiddenWolf> K_Dallas: ntfs
[05:23] <K_Dallas> ok
[05:23] <HiddenWolf> K_dallas, ubuntu is on /dev/sda
[05:23] <bob2> raz: if someone had noticed, they would have reported it...
[05:23] <K_Dallas> ok
[05:24] <bob2> raz: check bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[05:24] <K_Dallas> what does your grub part for windows look like
[05:24] <HiddenWolf> ## Windows XP title Windows XP Professional rootnoverify (hd0,0) makeactive chainloader +1
[05:25] <HiddenWolf> K_Dallas, I had some trouble with grub earlier, and whiped the mbr of both disks, I guess that caused the problem.
[05:25] <caonex> Jormundgand, you said the program you are trying to use to burn recognizes it?
[05:25] <K_Dallas> possibly but i am not the best person to ask that. why not reinstall grub or something, that would not hurt
[05:26] <caonex> Jormundgand, you may have to enable it as a scsi-cd
[05:26] <Jormundgand> caonex: The drive is recognised, but it locks up as soon as it tries to access a blank disk.
[05:26] <raz> bob2, were you able to reproduce it?!
[05:26] <dooglus> I had massive problems with ubuntu and grub.
[05:26] <bob2> raz: no
[05:26] <Jormundgand> raz: I reproduced it.
[05:26] <caonex> Jormundgand, hmm...ok
[05:26] <HiddenWolf> K_Dallas, I did that, since I had trouble booting into ubuntu earlier
[05:27] <HiddenWolf> K_Dallas, now I can boot to ubuntu, but not to windows
[05:27] <caonex> Jormundgand, you are using cdrecord?
[05:27] <raz> Jormundgand, crashed also, right? same if you start Totem
[05:27] <dooglus> the install CD installed grub without asking me whether I wanted grub or lilo.  after that, every time I booted it said "bad boot sector" and I had to use a rescue disk to fix it.  I'm back with lilo now.
[05:27] <Jormundgand> caonex: No, I'm using nautilus-cd-burner.
[05:27] <Jormundgand> caonex: Or GnomeBaker.
[05:27] <abisen_> hi i had installed ubuntu yesterday now i dont have the installation CD and any package in install is asking for a CD is there a way i can remove the CD and use the online rep instead
[05:28] <Jormundgand> abisen: Download and burn the install CD.
[05:28] <caonex> Jormundgand, run lsmod | ide-scsi
[05:29] <caonex> Jormundgand, to see if it is loaded already
[05:29] <pfp> abisen_: comment out the offending line in /etc/apt/sources.list, or remove it using synaptic
[05:29] <Jormundgand> caonex: You mean lsmod | grep ide-scsi?
[05:29] <abisen_> pfp, thanks
[05:29] <caonex> Jormundgand, yes hehe
[05:29] <Jormundgand> caonex: Nothing.
[05:29] <caonex> ok...let us try something
[05:32] <caonex> Jormundgand, /sbin/insmod -p ide-scsi, type that now.
[05:32] <Shinjan> hi folks
[05:32] <Jormundgand> caonex: insmod: can't read 'ide-scsi': No such file or directory
[05:33] <caonex> hmm...
[05:33] <Seveas> Jormundgand, you should use modprobe instead of insmod
[05:34] <caonex> Jormundgand, cdrecord -scanbus, type that and see if it at least sees it
[05:34] <Seveas> and ide-scsi is deprecated since kernel 2.6 (or even 2.4)
[05:35] <Jormundgand> Seveas: When ide-cd locks up your system you're left little choice.
[05:35] <caonex> Seveas, that is right, i had forgotten, but trying to find ways to get Jormundgand cd-rw to write, it freezes up.
[05:35] <caffinated> morning all (or evening, whichever the case may be)
[05:36] <caffinated> is there a way to upgrade ubuntu from a standard x86 to the AMD64 set without doing a complete reinstallation?
[05:36] <caonex> Jormundgand, cdrecord -scanbus, type that and see if it at least sees it
[05:36] <caffinated> it works fine now, but i'd like to use the AMD64 optimized binaries.  reinstallation would be a real pain though.
[05:36] <UbuntuNooB> hi.. is there anyone free to help me installing my SmartUSB56 in ubuntu ? i've been trying for 2 days now :(
[05:36] <caonex> brb
[05:36] <Seveas> caffinated, you would need to reinstall
[05:36] <Jormundgand> caonex: cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[05:37] <caffinated> Seveas: that's unfortunate
[05:37] <Tsingi> Looking for a new distro to put on my laptop for development.  I have been using fc2 and am familiar with (not lately) slackware and mandrake, all of which I have also installed on laptops.
[05:37] <caonex> Jormundgand, ok.
[05:37] <Tsingi> looking for some feedback on ubunto for a possibility
[05:38] <Tsingi> s/unbunto/ubuntu (sorry)
[05:38] <wdh> Tsingi, well.. if you have a direct question, just ask.. you've come to the right place :)
[05:38] <Tsingi> can't type:)
[05:38] <caffinated> Tsingi: it's probably the best linux distro i've used yet.  fairly painless installation, and sane defaults
[05:38] <shido6> ubuntu is very very nice
[05:38] <shido6> I use it for my desktop here
[05:38] <Seveas> Tsingi, if you want c#/mono development, you'd better wait for the next ubuntu version
[05:38] <shido6> I run 5.04
[05:38] <Tsingi> well, I will be installing it on a laptop first of all, I will be travelling but I have a lot to do
[05:38] <caffinated> Tsingi: for a laptop though, i'd be careful to check the supported hardware.  especially if you run wifi.
[05:38] <diesel> Having issues booting into X.  I looked into boot.log and it states: "Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console." Interestingly, from tty7 (GUI) I go to tty6 and back to tty7, everything works.  Any ideas why the X and consoles are behaving this way?
[05:38] <Seveas> otherwise: ubuntu is nice, build-dependencies and -dev debfiles are a charm
[05:39] <Seveas> Tsingi, what are the specs of your laptop (cpu/mem/gpu/wifi)
[05:39] <caffinated> Tsingi: it might be advisable to first try the livecd to determine what works, and what doesn't.
[05:39] <Tsingi> I haven't bought the laptop yet, It won't be new:)
[05:39] <caonex> Jormundgand, you compiled your own kernel?
[05:39] <caffinated> Tsingi: in that case, i suggest going with an LG.  I have a friend here that runs one, and all the hardware was supported out of the box :)
[05:39] <Seveas> Tsingi, ubuntu has been reported a lot of times to wirk fine on laptops. On my laptops (hp and medion) it works like a charm
[05:40] <caffinated> it's an LW50 iirc
[05:40] <phend> any ideas how I detect my modem?
[05:40] <Seveas> Tsingi, if you are going to buy one with wifi: stay clear of broadcom wifi chips!
[05:40] <wdh> phend, what kind of midem?
[05:40] <wdh> *modem
[05:40] <Tsingi> actyually I've been pretty lucky with laptos so far, I've prolly installed on 7 or 8 of them in the long run and they've all worked pretty good.
[05:40] <caffinated> Seveas: i run a broadcom chipset.  it works fine through ndiswrapper.
[05:41] <Seveas> caffinated, yeahm but ndiswrapper is evil
[05:41] <caffinated> though, that requires some extra work
[05:41] <Tsingi> wifi is a must
[05:41] <Seveas> cannot even handle hidden ssids
[05:41] <caffinated> Seveas: i duno, i don't even notice it.  it doesn't drop or do anything funny.
[05:41] <Seveas> Tsingi, atherors/prism/intel/ndiswrapper (so all cards) work fine
[05:41] <caffinated> and it's worth noting, that under linux using windows drivers, it works better than in windows using windows drivers ;)
[05:41] <UbuntuNooB> hi.. is there anyone free to help me installing my SmartUSB56 in ubuntu ? i've been trying for 2 days now :(
[05:41] <Tsingi> ok, I saw a comment about waiting for the next distro.  I'll be developing an imaging app, prolly with gtk.
[05:42] <Seveas> Tsingi, waiting for the next version is only if you use .net/c#/mono
[05:42] <Tsingi> no
[05:42] <Tsingi> c
[05:42] <Seveas> otherwise: install hoary to try, it takes little time to install
[05:42] <Tsingi> hoary?
[05:42] <IIIEars> "Hoary Hedgehog"
[05:42] <Seveas> hoary = Ubuntu 5.04 "The Hoary Hedgehog" release
[05:43] <Jormundgand> caonex: No, why?
[05:43] <Tsingi> so you all (obviously:) love ubuntu and thinks taht I should be ok to install and develop a c imaging app on say a thinkpad?
[05:44] <novaflare> what is pthreads exactly?
[05:44] <Solatis> novaflare: posix threads
[05:44] <Seveas> Tsingi, thinkpads will work, tsee wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTesting for more info
[05:44] <Tsingi> novaflare: a threading library
[05:44] <novaflare> k
[05:44] <Tsingi> ok.
[05:44] <IIIEars> Ubuntu Docs - :)
[05:45] <Tsingi> novaflare: threads let your app run multiple bits of code at once, kinda advanced.  stay away from them if you can.
[05:46] <Seveas> Tsingi, since the invention of NPTL threading is OK to use :)
[05:46] <shido6> using windows in linux... explain? with vmware?
[05:46] <shido6> wine?
[05:46] <Dave2|Laptop> colinux?
[05:46] <Seveas> but there are too many apps that use threads where they shouldn't
[05:46] <Tsingi> Seveas: yeah, I use them but you have to change the way you write your code, so not for the uninitiated.
[05:47] <Seveas> :)
[05:47] <Seveas> mutex/futex/semaphore fun
[05:47] <caonex> Jormundgand, just wondering what version of kernel you have?
[05:47] <Jormundgand> caonex: Standard one which ships with Ubuntu.
[05:47] <Tsingi> anything I should know about what to get?
[05:48] <caonex> Jormundgand, type this: uname -r
[05:48] <Seveas> Tsingi, grab an install cd image and once you have it installed, run apt-get install build-essential manpages-dev manpages-posix-dev
[05:48] <IIIEars> erm - Don't bother with the unofficial add ons CD.
[05:48] <Jormundgand> caonex: 2.6.10-5-386
[05:48] <Tsingi> atp-get, a la debian?
[05:48] <Seveas> Tsingi, yes
[05:48] <caonex> Jormundgand, ok.
[05:48] <preglow> ok, every kernel i try to install ends up kernel panicing and not being able to mount root
[05:48] <Tsingi> oh, I'm familiar with debian too, just never on a laptop
[05:48] <Seveas> there is an ncurses frontend (aptitude) and a gtk2 frontend (synaptic) too
[05:49] <pizzux> hi
[05:49] <caonex> Jormundgand, i am wondering if the recent kernel acts in a different way about it.
[05:49] <pizzux> got a probleme with mepis install
[05:49] <preglow> only error message i can see is a complaint about /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
[05:49] <Tsingi> how many discs?  FC3 is 4 and the download is slooooow
[05:49] <UbuntuNooB> hi.. is there anyone free to help me installing my SmartUSB56 in ubuntu ? i've been trying for 2 days now :(
[05:50] <Seveas> Tsingi, 1
[05:50] <Tsingi> hehe, lovely
[05:50] <pizzux> why ubuntu can't connect to dhcp?
[05:50] <Jormundgand> Tsingi: Fedora takes around 10 hours for all four CDs and the rescue CD if you use the torrent.
[05:50] <pizzux> it failed during install
[05:50] <novaflare> ty Tsingi
[05:50] <Tsingi> novaflare: np
[05:51] <thenuke> Jormundgand: how can you know that
[05:51] <Jormundgand> thenuke: Take a wild guess.
[05:51] <Tsingi> ok, I'll start the download.
[05:51] <caonex> Jormundgand, i think its time to post the question on the usenet, because i have no idea what to do now.
[05:51] <Jormundgand> caonex: Two Bugzilla bugs. http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3741 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=265747
[05:52] <caonex> Jormundgand, ok so they may fix it soon.
[05:52] <caonex> Jormundgand, i was thinking that the firmware may have something to do with it.
[05:53] <Tsingi> lopment release?
[05:53] <Tsingi> (dev)
[05:53] <Seveas> Tsingi, do not use the dev release, use the stable
[05:53] <Tsingi> k
[05:53] <caonex> Jormundgand, sorry did not bring more hope ;( hopefully they will fix that soon.
[05:53] <novaflare> any one here running cedega and any directx game
[05:53] <Seveas> Ubuntu has a 6-month release cycle, this cycle started about a moth ago and is in heavy flux (read: extremely unstable)
[05:54] <novaflare> i can get rubies of eventide fully loaded up grafics are mostly fine infact mostly perfect
[05:54] <novaflare> but it runs extreamly laggy
[05:54] <goran> hi
[05:56] <JohnnyFav> I'm logged in as the user created during installation and I click on one of the gnome applications...and it asks for a password....when I enter the password nothing comes up...how do I fix this?
[05:57] <wdh> UbuntuNooB, what is a smartusb56?
[05:57] <UbuntuNooB> wdh : a modem
[05:57] <UbuntuNooB> wdh : a usb modem
[05:57] <wdh> ok.. connect the modem and try 'lsusb'
[05:58] <UbuntuNooB> wdh : i just posted in the forum , no reply yet.. refer here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=37224
[05:58] <Tsingi> JohnnyFav: it prolly wants the root passwd
[05:58] <UbuntuNooB> wdh : a modem detected there
[05:58] <echelon_> Hi!
[05:59] <Echelon-H> yahalom, there?
[05:59] <Echelon-H> . #
[05:59] <UbuntuNooB> wdh : so, now ?
[06:00] <wdh> UbuntuNooB, i guess you should wait for input on the forum..
[06:00] <wdh> i just wanted you to clear up your question.. asking questions no one understands isn't going to help you :)
[06:01] <Echelon-H> how do I UnInstall things?
[06:01] <UbuntuNooB> wdh : sorry.. i'm not so good in english.. is my question is not clear enough ?
[06:01] <kahuna_> Hey, I'm wondering why my .bash_profile never gets sourced. I'm using the standard desktop
[06:01] <wdh> Echelon-H, sudo apt-get remove things
[06:01] <Echelon-H> wdh, thanks
[06:01] <UbuntuNooB> wdh : i mean, my post in the forum is not clear enough ?
[06:01] <kahuna_> is it supposed to get sourced in /etc/profile?
[06:02] <Tsingi> rm -rf / (NO! kidding!)
[06:02] <wdh> UbuntuNooB, you werent very specific on what kind of device you were trying to get to work.. your post in the forum is clear enough imho
[06:02] <Echelon-H> If I need some help with the clock, do I need to ask here or over the #xfce channel?
[06:03] <UbuntuNooB> wdh : oo.. ok, sorry about that.. can't you post something to help me ? :)
[06:03] <kahuna_> it looks like .bashrc is sourced but never .bash_profile.
[06:04] <Tsingi> kahuna_: look in /etc/profile
[06:04] <Echelon-H> Does anyone know how can I use (if at all) Ventrilo under linux?
[06:05] <cbruggeman> you want to go in discotheque ??? [06:05] <Erotek> hello
[06:06] <wdh> cbruggeman, spam?
[06:07] <kahuna_> Tsingi, That's where I learned that .bashrc is sourced but not .bash_profile. If you look at .bash_profile in /etc/skel you'll see that .bashrc is sourced inside of that, so shouldn't .bash_profile be sourced in /etc/profile instead of .bashrc?
[06:07] <kahuna_> It would make more sense given what's inside f the /etc/skel files
[06:08] <wdh> UbuntuNooB, no, sorry.. im not very good at that too :)
[06:08] <dooglus> running "mount -a" isn't mounting everything in my /etc/fstab.  How can I get it to?
[06:08] <UbuntuNooB> wdh: thanks for the reply anyway :)
[06:08] <Tsingi> kahuna_: you can change it, I don't have ubuntu so I can't tell you for sure what's there (downloading it now) but it's your box, so if you want you can set it up how you like.  Also look in all the files that profile sources, it might be sourced in one of those.
[06:09] <cbruggeman> wdh not spam juste fun
[06:09] <yccheok> helo, may i noe why does the xmms dun allow me to use ALSA as output plugin in hoary?
[06:09] <wdh> cbruggeman, spam
[06:09] <rickard> In a default ubuntu installation it seems that all users can view each others accounts? Is this the way it should be?
[06:09] <wdh> Echelon-H, www.ventrilo.com ?
[06:09] <wdh> Echelon-H, there appears to be a linux server, not a client
[06:10] <wdh> maybe a windows client combined with wine will help you
[06:10] <Triffid_Hunter> rickard: unless you set it otherwise, that's generally the case.. otherwise things like apache's mod_userdir wouldn't work
[06:10] <wdh> rickard, if you like it that way.. btw, im assuming 'accounts' should be 'home directories'
[06:11] <Tsingi> rickard: I like it that way.  You users can unset the group permission if they want.  I find it generally more convenient.
[06:11] <rickard> so if I dont want a useser home directory to be visible to other users I need to chmod that directory?
[06:12] <Echelon-H> wdh, I know that
[06:12] <frothing_nub> Can anyone point me to a good guide on getting hardware up and running for a total noob? I've got two machines with a whole lot of "unknowns" in the device manager after a default install and feel a little lost here.
[06:12] <wdh> rickard, that would do the trick: 'chmod 700 /home/XXX'
[06:13] <SkyNet> i get an error while rebooting
[06:13] <wdh> Echelon-H, then why the 'if at all'?
[06:13] <Myrtti> hm
[06:13] <rickard> but I guess the user can do that himself?
[06:13] <Tsingi> rickard: aye, or you can change the way that adduser (or whatever) makes the account.  If you don't want it you have two options, either nset the group permissions on the home directories or give each user his own group that is the same name as the user name.
[06:13] <Tsingi> rickard yes
[06:13] <SkyNet> fsck.ext3: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/sda1
[06:13] <SkyNet> The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2
[06:13] <SkyNet> filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2
[06:13] <SkyNet> filesystem (and not swap of ufs or something else), then the superblock
[06:13] <SkyNet> is currupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock:
[06:13] <SkyNet> e2fsck -b 8193 <device>
[06:13] <SkyNet> fsck.ext3: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/sda1
[06:14] <Myrtti> when I mount a sambashare on boot, it asks for a password. However, no password is needed to access the share. How could I remove that annoying prompt for password?
[06:14] <Tsingi> rickard: (unset not nset)
[06:14] <Hidenowt> E: No foi possvel obter trava /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Recurso temporariamente indisponvel)
[06:14] <Hidenowt> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:14] <wdh> SkyNet, dont do large pastes here..
[06:14] <SkyNet> wdh sorry
[06:15] <wdh> SkyNet, try pastebin.org next time
[06:15] <SkyNet> but its the only way to show the error
[06:15] <rickard> Tsingi, I see
[06:15] <wdh> SkyNet, its not.. paste it in a pastebin and paste the link here
[06:15] <pfp> Myrtti: option 'guest' (man smbmount)
[06:15] <SkyNet> ok
[06:15] <wdh> SkyNet, and further, try thinking about the error yourself and ask a question
[06:15] <Hidenowt> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:15] <Hidenowt> E: No foi possvel obter trava /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Recurso temporariamente indisponvel)
[06:16] <wdh> Hidenowt, same for you, ask a question and stop pasting
[06:16] <SkyNet> wdh i have thought of it
[06:16] <SkyNet> when i forcefully mount them
[06:16] <SkyNet> it works
[06:16] <SkyNet> but in bootup
[06:16] <wdh> Hidenowt, shutdown all instances of update-manager, synaptic or apt.. and then retry
[06:16] <SkyNet> its all messed up
[06:17] <Echelon-H> wdh, I've heard there is something that can make it work
[06:17] <zenrox> Echelon-H,  to make what work??
[06:18] <wdh> ok, then ask that! show what you know already.. you made me think you werent even familiar with the whole concept
[06:18] <Hidenowt> as I convert this error into repositories wdh
[06:19] <wdh> Hidenowt, what?
[06:19] <wdh> Hidenowt, thats still not a question
[06:19] <yccheok> helo, may i noe why does the xmms dun allow me to use ALSA as output plugin in hoary?
[06:21] <Hidenowt> wdh how concert this error? E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc ess using it?
[06:22] <UbuntuNooB> my xmms just hang.. is there anything like end task here ?
[06:22] <tortoise_> join #maemo
[06:22] <Echramath> UbuntuNooB: killall -15 perhaps
[06:22] <Echramath> UbuntuNooB: Or -9, if it doesn't respond to -15
[06:23] <UbuntuNooB> Echramath : i can't open the terminal
[06:23] <novaflare> whats the command to find kernel version?
[06:23] <Echramath> UbuntuNooB: You can't open the terminal?
[06:23] <Echramath> novaflare: uname -a
[06:23] <Hidenowt> wdh how concert this error? E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc ess using it?
[06:23] <ReleaseX> hello all
[06:23] <Echramath> Hidenowt: Well, do you have another process using it? apt-get? Synaptic?
[06:23] <UbuntuNooB> Echramath: everything just hang, the mouse still working though
[06:23] <novaflare> ty
[06:24] <mjr> UbuntuNooB, the System Monitor in System Tools can end tasks
[06:24] <Echramath> UbuntuNooB: Can you access a virtual terminal, ctrl-alt-f1?
[06:24] <kikdadog> im trying to burn a cd, doesnt matter what program(graveman,gnomebaker,k3b), tried them all. I get lock ups and error messages, something about RR and device names. So is its something I did or is it a bug. My drive is a cyber drive.  I was trying to burn an iso of the add on cd. any help will be appreciated
[06:24] <xoz> Hidenowt: are you root?
[06:24] <IIIEars>  /part
[06:25] <wdh> Hidenowt, stop repeating questions
[06:25] <wdh> i already answered you.. kill all instances of package-manager, update-manager, synaptic and apt.. or whatever they are called
[06:25] <Tsingi> hehe
[06:26] <wdh> wdh, and after the go away, or i'll kill something :P
[06:26] <srid> strange! recent breezy has weird keybinding behaviour in gnome apps, for example pressing ctrl+t opens new window, not new tab
[06:26] <srid> anyone else facing this problem?
[06:26] <jeroen_> wdh, maybe (s)he's not root?
[06:27] <UbuntuNooB> Echramath : done :)
[06:27] <xoz> Hidenowt: lsof | grep /var/lib/dpkg ... kill -9 <pid> of those listed
[06:27] <wdh> jeroen_, then apt would ask you that..
[06:27] <Lafitte-> doesn anyone have any knowledge on setting up acpi functions  like hotkeys and things like that ?
[06:28] <kikdadog> anyone on the cd burning??????????????????
[06:28] <Hidenowt> xoz yes i'm root
[06:28] <xoz> Lafitte-: /usr/share/doc/acpi ?
[06:28] <bob2> no need to ever use more than one ?
[06:28] <jeroen_> kikdadog, I'm currently burning a cd, yes :p
[06:28] <WhiteRabbit> kikdadog, -17?
[06:28] <kikdadog> grrrrrrrrrrrr
[06:29] <wdh> xoz, it may be a good solution.. but it wont help him the next time the problem comes up.. make him understand that only one package manager can be used at once
[06:29] <Lafitte-> xoz,  whats that ?
[06:29] <WhiteRabbit> kikdadog, -11k?
[06:29] <xoz> Lafitte-: check the acpi doc
[06:29] <Dave2|Laptop> What's the parameter to pass to grub to get Ubuntu to not boot into X again? :/
[06:29] <wdh> xoz, so just let him close all instances of apt etc etc..
[06:29] <Dave2|Laptop> (Feel really stupid asking this)
[06:29] <Hidenowt> Echramath: installing updates
[06:29] <jeroen_> Dave2|Laptop, that's not a grub option I think
[06:29] <WhiteRabbit> Dave2|Laptop, inittab default level of 3
[06:29] <shinu> anyone tried to enable japanese input in xfce4?
[06:30] <Echramath> Hidenowt: What you mean?
[06:30] <Lafitte-> xoz,   oh   im far beyond that doc  but thanks
[06:30] <Dave2|Laptop> Isn't there a parameter which can be passed via grub?
[06:30] <Tsingi> Dave2|Laptop: init = 3?
[06:30] <Dave2|Laptop> I tried that, it didn't seem to work...
[06:30] <Tsingi> Dave2|Laptop: something like taht
[06:30] <Lafitte-> xoz,  i need to manually set the scripts up     but thanks
[06:30] <WhiteRabbit> Dave2|Laptop, edit /etc/inittab
[06:30] <xoz> Lafitte-: and you can assign keyboard events... try xev
[06:30] <Tsingi> Dave2|Laptop: hang on I'll look and see if I can find it, I've done that (killed gtk on my box once:)
[06:30] <WhiteRabbit> Dave2|Laptop, change the default run level from such & such to 3
[06:30] <Echramath> Isn't Ubuntu Debian, so runlevel doesn't affect X?
[06:31] <preglow> can a hoary user tell me what version of libc is in hoary?
[06:31] <Dave2|Laptop> Tsingi, ah, thanks
[06:31] <Lafitte-> xoz,  they dont show up there      with Fn key held down it goes dead
[06:31] <Tsingi> oh, you can change it in /etc/inittab if you can get to it
[06:31] <wdh> preglow, packages.ubuntu.com
[06:31] <preglow> aight
[06:31] <jeroen_> preglow, libc6?
[06:31] <preglow> jeroen_: yea
[06:31] <WhiteRabbit> Tsingi, sudo gedit /etc/inittab
[06:31] <xoz> Lafitte-: then, you can't assign those dead keys to acpi. you need the proper keyboard mapping maybe.
[06:32] <preglow> why the hell do i have a newer libc6 than the one i should have got
[06:32] <Tsingi> WhiteRabbit: He might not be able to boot
[06:32] <jeroen_> 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13
[06:32] <jeroen_> preglow,
[06:32] <starshine> does ubuntu live CD use cloop ?
[06:32] <Tsingi> Dave2|Laptop: can you boot?
[06:32] <WhiteRabbit> Tsingi, why not?
[06:32] <Lafitte-> xoz,  yeah  i think your right     this is what i need to figure out
[06:32] <Hidenowt> xoz the error of atp-get update occurs because of software updates
[06:32] <Dave2|Laptop> I can boot into recovery mode, yeah
[06:32] <preglow> seems i have the breezy libc
[06:32] <Dave2|Laptop> And X, but it freezes after a while
[06:32] <Hidenowt> Echramath: the error of atp-get update occurs because of software updates
[06:32] <WhiteRabbit> Dave2|Laptop, you installed nv drivers?
[06:32] <Dave2|Laptop> no
[06:32] <Dave2|Laptop> it's a trident card
[06:32] <WhiteRabbit> ah heh
[06:32] <Dave2|Laptop> well
[06:32] <Dave2|Laptop> chip
[06:32] <Tsingi> Dave2|Laptop: ok, then changing the runlevel in inittab is the way to do it, set it ti 3 and it will boot to multiuser no x
[06:32] <Dave2|Laptop> it really sucks
[06:32] <xoz> Hidenowt: can you paste in #flood the exact messages when you update?
[06:33] <Echramath> Hidenowt: So, you just have to wait then? You cannot access the database with to programs at the same time.
[06:33] <Dave2|Laptop> right
[06:33] <wdh> Hidenowt, thats what i told you.. kill the update-manager
[06:33] <preglow> can anyone give me a pointer on how to downgrade to the hoary libc?
[06:33] <teknoprep> anyone know the corect settings for a USB thumb drive... in the /etc/fstab
[06:33] <Dave2|Laptop> thanks
[06:33] <ckeen> hi! anyone using ubuntu-ppc? Can you get the suspend to work?
[06:34] <Echramath> Btw, what is The Procedure to install Ubuntu as a dualboot with Win98 in to machine with one hard disk, now containing one partition.
[06:34] <Tsingi> Dave2|Laptop: careful that you don't set it to a bad number, sitck with 3 for tty and 5 for X
[06:34] <Echramath> Does the installation cd contain tools to shrink FAT32?
[06:34] <Recyclable> lo
[06:35] <xoz> Echramath: backup. resize/repartition. reinstall win in one partition. reinstall linux in the other.
[06:35] <Hidenowt> xoz is erro apt-get update
[06:35] <Hidenowt> E: No foi possvel obter trava /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Recurso temporaria mente indisponvel)
[06:35] <Hidenowt> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc ess using it?
[06:35] <Recyclable> can someone help me with installing realplayer?
[06:35] <Tsingi> Dave2|Laptop: you can run x using startx, I assume you're having a hard time getting that to work, and kill X with <ctrl><alt><backspace>
[06:35] <holycow> Hidenowt, you have another apt already running
[06:35] <Dave2|Laptop> Tsingi, I've got it already, thanks
[06:35] <KrimZon> there are windows tools that can resize a partition, provided it is defragmented to leave enough space at the end of it
[06:35] <Recyclable> I dled it from http://fileforum.betanews.com/download/RealPlayer_for_Linux/959031648/2, but i get an error saying i have to rename it to an executable file or something
[06:35] <starshine> xoz: there's tools to resize it on the fly instead
[06:35] <Tsingi> Dave2|Laptop: k, good luck
[06:35] <holycow> kill the first apt or the other synaptic before proceeding
[06:36] <Echramath> xoz: Of course that is one way, but it's not my machine and I don't want to spend the whole night installing it.
[06:36] <xoz> Hidenowt: ps ax | grep apt-get ... kill -9 <pid> of apt-get
[06:36] <Echramath> xoz: Why -9?
[06:36] <starshine> xoz: if your answer is "no those aren't on the install disc" that's fine; if you don't know, say so.
[06:36] <WhiteRabbit> killall apt-get
[06:36] <pfp> Recyclable: FYI, you can also get totem to play .rm files by installing some codecs
[06:36] <Echramath> KrimZon: Are there any free tools for complete idiots?
[06:36] <xoz> starshine: you can use parted... but to be sure, always backup
[06:36] <starshine> backup, yes
[06:37] <elvirolo> hi all
[06:37] <starshine> reinstall win, no.
[06:37] <elvirolo> anyone running entrance?
[06:37] <WhiteRabbit> starshine, read up on lvm2
[06:37] <srbaker> how do i enable ide-scsi support for device hdb ?
[06:37] <IcemanV9> why xload doesn't work when use -remote <hostname>??? i would like to montior another box
[06:37] <srbaker> besides hdb=ide-scsi on the kernel command line?  that's not working
[06:37] <Tsingi> thanks all, have a bootable ubuntu disc, I'll be back :)
[06:37] <Recyclable> pfp: that would be good. where would i get them from?
[06:37] <starshine> WhiteRabbit: I am thinking of live CD for internet lounge use, but want to customize
[06:38] <WhiteRabbit> starshine, you would like slax then
[06:38] <JDigital> What's a good channel to discuss website design?
[06:38] <starshine> bleh, I prefer debs :)
[06:38] <pfp> Recyclable: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[06:38] <srbaker> nowhere.
[06:38] <WhiteRabbit> starshine, good luck with customizing
[06:38] <srbaker> whoops
[06:38] <WhiteRabbit> JDigital, #bluefish or #nvu
[06:39] <Recyclable> pfp: cheers
[06:39] <WhiteRabbit> although both are empty web designers strike heh
[06:39] <starshine> WhiteRabbit: I was curious if it already uses cloop, or some other machanism for cramming the world into a very small round object
[06:39] <elvirolo> i'm trying to make entrance become my default login manager ... can anyone help me?
[06:39] <jeroen_> JDigital, #css
[06:39] <pfp> np Recyclable
[06:40] <jeroen_> JDigital, #css
[06:40] <WhiteRabbit> starshine, getting married will do that very thing I hear
[06:40] <JDigital> aha
[06:40] <starshine> WhiteRabbit: I'm married and we're both techies. try again :)
[06:41] <WhiteRabbit> starshine, techies me loves techies
[06:41] <WhiteRabbit> starshine, how are you liken bsd 5.4 also what do you think of solaris 10 x86 recompiles
[06:41] <yccheok> any scim user here?
[06:41] <WhiteRabbit> starshine, btw also on another note what would you do for a cat prog in a live cd of win xp
[06:42] <starshine> solaris 10 I haven't tried yet; BSD is fun; but my netlounges mainly run linux, a few mac, one borg.
[06:42] <starshine> WhiteRabbit: I'd see if I could build it under djgpp maybe
[06:42] <starshine> have they lost "copy con: " ?
[06:42] <WhiteRabbit> I would just use the already /b flag option
[06:44] <rosco> hi
[06:44] <caonex> anybody using automounter?
[06:44] <rosco> any news about the bug of the trackpad with the last powerbooks ?
[06:46] <novaflare> terror time heh getting ready to copy apaste edit my xorg conf and restart lol
[06:46] <jamesio> do any of you know anything about the tracker for the iso images?
[06:47] <srid> strange! recent breezy has weird keybinding behaviour in gnome apps, for example pressing ctrl+t opens new window, not new tab
[06:47] <srid> anyone else facing this problem?
[06:47] <Church_of_FoamY> how to install vmware?/
[06:49] <novaflare> here goes ctrl alt backspace .....
[06:50] <Lafitte-> xoz, how do i figure out what keyboard i need setup to use the hotkeys ?
[06:52] <Burn`> hello, I just installed a wireless pci card DWL-G520 and my pc hangs on boot --> uncompressing kernel, what to do?
[06:53] <jamesio> has anyone download any of the ubuntu install torrents?
[06:53] <IIIEars> yes
[06:53] <jamesio> recently?
[06:54] <revelater> anyone know how to request a different adress from your isp?
[06:54] <IIIEars> about a week ago
[06:54] <jamesio> I trying to be nice and seed the torrents on my 300k/sec and 2.1M/sec lines at work... but the tracker is not responding
[06:54] <revelater> like resend a dhcp
[06:55] <revelater> gwet a new addess without resetting anything
[06:55] <jamesio> I left it running over the weekend and uploaded over 180 gigs...
[06:55] <Burn`> revelater: try to renew your ip, if you have dsl just disconnect and connect again
[06:55] <Burn`> or do you have a static ip?
[06:55] <jamesio> but now it's not working... was hoping someone else could give it a try.  I checked the forums and people had problems a few weeks ago, but not now.
[06:56] <IIIEars> wow you -are- nice. :)
[06:56] <revelater> Burn`: i am not entirely sure what i have, but i should be able to accomplish what i want just from a command or set of  commands  right?
[06:57] <revelater> jamesio: wow, could you please turn into a naruto fan, we could sure use seeders like you.
[06:57] <viriatus> 180 GB?? damn
[06:57] <i3dmaster> anyone can explain what is the difference about "t" and "T", "s" and "S" in the permission bits?
[06:57] <GXT_23> hi
[06:57] <i3dmaster> I cannot find it from manpage
[06:58] <jamesio> revelater, is it a legal torrent???  ;)
[06:58] <jamesio> all total, I can upload about 2.5 megabytes a second from my two offices
[06:58] <IIIEars> jamesio - if i have the iso already can i just open it with torrent and share it?
[06:58] <jamesio> I'm the IT Director... so I know if I can justify the bandwidth.
[06:58] <jamesio> IIIEars, yes
[06:59] <jamesio> IIIEars, that's what I normally do...
[07:00] <jamesio> in the last 20 minutes, I've uploaded 1.3 gigs from my office... but those were to people I had already cached as valid people.  if I start the torrent in my second office, it won't connect in...
[07:00] <_kevin> there is a opensource program called shareaza, but its for window yet there is code avaliable for it and can i complie this code and use this program with my ubuntu
[07:00] <xoz> Lafitte-: google
[07:00] <revelater> jamesio: well... techincally yes
[07:00] <jim__> I need help with networking a host system with ubuntu and two other systems with XP.
[07:01] <revelater> jamesio: because only the first 60 episodes have been licenced
[07:01] <jamesio> revelater, explain.  if it's legal... as in, no copyright issues, I'd be willing to seed a torrent for you
[07:01] <jim__> Firemaster seems to be running well, but my other computers with XP can't get on the internet.
[07:01] <jamesio> I use the "official bit torrent client", so I can only seed 3 things at a time
[07:02] <jamesio> and I'm only currently seeding 1... and it's not working
[07:02] <revelater> jamesio: the rest as far as i know, are legal.
[07:02] <revelater> its up to 136 right now
[07:02] <revelater> episodes
[07:02] <jim__> Is there a network wizard on ubuntu equivalent to that on XP?
[07:02] <jamesio> got a link to their site?  so I can quickly verify that?
[07:03] <jim__> With XP it's real simple (surprise surprise).
[07:03] <revelater> verify the licencing? i have no clue where to go to verify it....
[07:03] <revelater> their site doesnt say anything about it
[07:04] <jamesio> revelater, ok... I'm just super-paranoid about the legality of torrents.  if I can find information on their site, I'd be more than happy to seed it for you.
[07:04] <jamesio> revelater, with ubuntu or anything linux... it's a non-issue.  with media, that's another story.
[07:05] <revelater> jamesio: yeah, well unless you are hosting the torrents, you don't have to worry about anyone catching you, its all pretty much anonymose
[07:05] <revelater> i can't spell
[07:05] <novaflare> damn when somethign works right in linux and your a freaking total linux noob it makes you feel like a god lol
[07:06] <bassplayer> how do I configure a serial mouse ? it doesn't work at all. Can anyone give backup!
[07:06] <jim__> Is it more complicated if one has two NIC's in one's box (I'm connected to a hub not a router)
[07:06] <revelater> novaflare: its great aint it?
[07:06] <bassplayer> how do I configure a serial mouse ? it doesn't work at all. Can anyone give backup!
[07:07] <thenuke> jim__: you have 2 nics connected to a router?
[07:07] <thenuke> from one pc
[07:07] <jim__> thenuke
[07:07] <jim__> no
[07:07] <jim__> 2 nics connected to a hub
[07:07] <revelater> bassplayer: serial, like ps/2?
[07:07] <jim__> my box functions like a router
[07:07] <bassplayer> no, its serial, i dont have any usb port, just serial
[07:08] <revelater> they have mouses like that???
[07:08] <jim__> my home network connects to a hub. in my host pc I have two NIC's.
[07:08] <thenuke> oh well, it for sure needs some little twaeaking and confguring if you want to use your ubuntu as a router
[07:08] <jim__> one for internet; one for the network.
[07:08] <bassplayer> yeap, believe it or not..... i think it 9 pin
[07:08] <thenuke> jim__: if you are willing to do a bit googling you should get it working just fine
[07:08] <jim__> I just want the other pc's to be able to share my connection at this point.
[07:08] <bassplayer> but ubuntu didn't recognize it at all
[07:08] <revelater> bassplayer: well open up xorg.conf in /etc/X11/
[07:09] <jim__> nothing fancy.,
[07:09] <_kevin> if i press ctrl+alt+F4 and i go into that console thingy, how do i get out of it and go back to my ubuntu desktop?
[07:09] <revelater> bassplayer: in a text editor of course
[07:09] <bassplayer> ok
[07:09] <revelater> _kevin: try the other f's
[07:09] <bassplayer> wait
[07:09] <revelater> bassplayer: what?
[07:09] <jamesio> _kevin, usually ctrl-alt-f7 or f8
[07:10] <_kevin> ok
[07:10] <mxpxpod> how would I tell xscreensaver not to activate while my laptop is asleep?
[07:10] <_kevin> ye it's F7
[07:11] <isai> hi all.
[07:12] <isai> where does the ubuntu build of mplayer stores its codecs, I want to add some.
[07:12] <rgould> my home key doesn't work in Ubuntu? what's the problem?
[07:13] <revelater> you shouldn't be locking your home with a computer :P
[07:13] <rgould> :P
[07:13] <keffo> w:PP
[07:13] <Lafitte-> can anyone help me figure out why my hotkeys dont work ?  i think  it is somehting with acpi not working
[07:13] <thenuke> rgould: :-) Just be a little more specific :)
[07:13] <rgould> I'm not sure I can :)
[07:13] <isai> Lafitte: do you have a laptop?
[07:13] <rgould> the home key just doesn't seem to do anything
[07:14] <rgould> well
[07:14] <Lafitte-> isai,  yes
[07:14] <rgould> the one main one doesn't.. the keypad one works if num lock is off
[07:14] <Lafitte-> isai,  it is asus m5n
[07:14] <revelater> rgould: home key like on your keyboard?
[07:14] <rgould> yeah
[07:14] <isai> Lafitte: try using the gnome shortcut key editor and press the button.
[07:14] <revelater> ummm, what does the home key do/
[07:15] <rgould> nothing
[07:15] <Lafitte-> isai,  do i have that already or need to install it ?
[07:15] <isai> revelator: home key puts cursor at beginning of line.
[07:15] <rgould> well, that's what it shoudl do :) mine is doing nothing
[07:15] <isai> Lafitte: you should have it installed in System--
[07:15] <jim__> can you guys suggest a good HOWTO page on Home Networking with Linux?
[07:15] <jim__> one that works with Ubuntu
[07:15] <Burn`> hello, I just installed a wireless pci card DWL-G520 and my pc hangs on boot --> uncompressing kernel, what to do?
[07:15] <thenuke> jim__: google.com :D
[07:16] <jim__> :p
[07:16] <isai> Lafitte: you should have it installed in System-->Preferences-->Keyboard shortcuts
[07:16] <thenuke> jim__: believe me.. it works
[07:16] <jim__> ok
[07:16] <Lafitte-> isai,  keyboard shortcuts  but not gnome shortcut editor
[07:16] <thenuke> if it does not work, you just dont know what to search for
[07:16] <Lafitte-> isai,    ok  im there
[07:16] <isai> Lafitte: same thing
[07:16] <thenuke> trillions of ppl have had the same question "how to share connection with linux"
[07:16] <thenuke> so believe me, that there is answers in google.
[07:16] <rgould> home key words on console (CTRL-ALT-F2 console, not an GUI console window)
[07:17] <Lafitte-> isai,  but no dice
[07:17] <revelater> thenuke: their aren't even a trillion people on the earth...
[07:17] <rgould> works, not words
[07:17] <isai> Lafitte: just experiment with the keys. I have a HP laptop with hardware VolumeUp, VolumeDown, Mute, & 5 application keys.
[07:17] <Lafitte-> isai,  my Fn key doesnt register   for that    it is acpi thing  i need to figure out
[07:17] <zenrox> also read www.ubuntuguide.org for samba set up
[07:17] <mjr> well, for Debian and Ubuntu, installing the ipmasq package is a good start if you want to share your connection
[07:17] <isai> Some of my buttons work, others not :(
[07:17] <Lafitte-> isai,  im looking to do touchpad on and off  and things like tat
[07:18] <_kevin> does freenode give free vhost?
[07:18] <thenuke> jim__: I think that firestarter will do the NAT for you which you need
[07:18] <keffo> guess not
[07:18] <keffo> firestarter == great
[07:18] <thenuke> jim__: dont argue with me about that ;)
[07:18] <keffo> if you are directly plugged in
[07:18] <jim__> LOL
[07:18] <nubbe> I just installed linux-686 and ll is well, should I install linux-headers-686 also? Anyone got a web-page or info on why or why not?
[07:18] <thenuke> jim__: there are just too many answers to your question in google
[07:19] <jim__> I know. :(
[07:19] <monteiro> when i add the i2c modules to see the temperature, now my motherboard it always beeping, how i take out that beep ?
[07:19] <thenuke> jim__: I just gave you one.. Firestarter, did you even notice that
[07:19] <HappyFool> nubbe: only if you need to compile kernel modules
[07:19] <ailas> hi all, many hours i spent with this http://ailas.net/foun/Obraz102.jpg
[07:19] <mjr> nubbe, you need that only if you want to compile new modules or such for it
[07:19] <ailas> i don't know how to get work
[07:19] <revelater> monteiro: unplug the speaker from your motherboard
[07:19] <nubbe> HappyFool, thanks no ned then  :)
[07:19] <ailas> some fonts missing?
[07:19] <isai> Sorry, I can't help you with that: my HP has a button above the touchpad and it worked from the start.
[07:19] <isai> Lafitte: ACPI is for battery/power management is should not have anything to do with keys.
[07:19] <ailas> in xscreensaver??
[07:20] <jim__> Yes, I've been using Firestarter but it still doesn't allow others connected to the network to access the internet, let alone the network.
[07:20] <thenuke> jim__: or shorewall http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=15703
[07:20] <ailas> please can anyone help with this?
[07:20] <isai> Anyone here use mplayer?
[07:20] <revelater> yo
[07:20] <thenuke> jim__: or whatever suits you.. goddamnit, use the google by your self!
[07:20] <revelater> isai: what is you mplayer need
[07:20] <monteiro> revelater : there is a command or something to do that ? i've to open the computer :(
[07:20] <jim__> LOL
[07:20] <thenuke> jim__: http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official_s&q=linux+sharing+connection&spell=1
[07:20] <isai> where do I put new codecs?
[07:20] <xoz> jim__: make sure you enabled ip forwarding
[07:20] <jim__> enable where xoz?
[07:21] <thenuke> read the manuals then if thing does not work
[07:21] <ailas> isai: in configure is settiong for this
[07:21] <jim__> Sorry, I'm a terrible noob
[07:21] <revelater> monteiro: not sure, all i know is that you can open the case and unplug the speaker pretty easily
[07:21] <thenuke> no you are not if you already had tried firestarter
[07:21] <xoz> jim__: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[07:21] <monteiro> revelater : ok, tks for the help :)
[07:21] <isai> ailas: I didn't compile from source just used the ubuntu mplayer-586 package. What default path does it use?
[07:21] <revelater> isai: you should use synaptic to get the codecs.
[07:22] <ailas> anyone can help with this? http://ailas.net/foun/Obraz102.jpg (missing fonts?)
[07:22] <jim__> thenuke: I appreciate the flattery but it's true. I just found out about firestarter today
[07:22] <thenuke> but yes you are if we come to think that you tried that already and then ask how to do the sharing instead of asking what might be wrong with firestarter and how to debug it
[07:22] <revelater> isai: just about all the codecs you need you can get form synaptic
[07:22] <jim__> I'm a noob who's eager
[07:22] <jim__> ... to learn
[07:22] <isai> revelator: I need to use a realmedia audio codec which I don't think is in synaptic.
[07:23] <revelater> isai: hmm, i am not sure where to add it, i have never needed to add a codec before :P
[07:23] <jim__> xoz: when I entered that command it said: Permission Denied
[07:23] <xoz> jim__: be root first
[07:23] <jim__> root terminal?
[07:23] <a1rbag> does ubuntu ship with a web server?  i'm looking to setup a web server on a light weight 'cheap and cheerfull' distro.
[07:23] <lok> realmedia audio ?
[07:23] <xoz> jim__: su
[07:23] <a1rbag> new to linux
[07:24] <lok> you can look at helix but it's for video
[07:24] <mjr> a1rbag, yes
[07:24] <a1rbag> apache?>
[07:24] <lok> a1rbag, apt-get install apache ?
[07:24] <revelater> a1rbag: you should consider using gentoo or debian (the net install)
[07:24] <kareto> hi
[07:24] <kareto> i have a problem
[07:24] <mjr> a1rbag, yep, apache 2 is supported in main
[07:24] <jim__> xoz: now what? I entered the command.
[07:24] <a1rbag> gentooo - heard of that one.  ok many thanksj
[07:24] <kareto> with the ati radeon driver
[07:24] <isai> I think I found it: look in /usr/lib/win32. Those look like codecs...
[07:25] <revelater> lok: you phrase your answer in the form of a question?
[07:25] <kareto> i have a ati radeon 9250
[07:25] <kareto> and when i install the driver
[07:25] <kareto> (and trying to start X Windows)
[07:25] <xoz> jim__: it should forward ip from other computer to internet. if firestarter is configured properly, you may be lucky.
[07:25] <revelater> kareto it just flashes?
[07:25] <nubbe> Are there any other 686 optimized apps than mplayer?
[07:25] <jim__> ok
[07:25] <kareto> my computer hangs
[07:26] <lok> revelater, because I don't understand why use such things
[07:26] <revelater> xine?
[07:26] <mjr> kareto, don't know about the ATI driver, but just mentioning to make sure that you know that the 9250 should have 3d acceleration with the free drivers as well (perhaps not as fast, dunno)
[07:26] <jim__> When I start Firestarter it says: Failed to start. An unknown error occurred.
[07:26] <mz2> hmm, should monodevelop work on hoary?
[07:26] <jim__> But when I look at my system try it seems to be functioning
[07:26] <JM_> eta on readahead availability?
[07:26] <kareto> jr i cannot load free drivers either
[07:27] <jim__> God, I feel like such an idiot using Linux!!!
[07:27] <revelater> jim__: ?
[07:27] <jim__> (Can you guys tell I'm a Windows whore?)
[07:27] <revelater> jim__: umm, yeah
[07:27] <jim__> yes revelater?
[07:28] <revelater> jim__: i was simply questioning your first remark, and where its focus lay
[07:28] <jim__> which remark?
[07:28] <revelater> < jim__> God, I feel like such an idiot using Linux!!!
[07:28] <xoz> jim__: try shorewall.
[07:28] <revelater> jim__:  i felt the same way
[07:29] <frothing_nub> I'm feeling about like that myself right now man, so don't feel bad.
[07:29] <xoz> jim__: and read /usr/share/doc/<firestarter/shorewall> ... it will save you lots of random questions if you read the manual first.
[07:29] <jim__> oh, thanks for clearing that up revelater, although I'm deserving of insult at this point
[07:30] <jim__> I just want to ditch Windows asap
[07:30] <kate> hi
[07:30] <revelater> jim__: no one is deserving of insult (unless it is meant to humor, in which case the insult shouldn't be taken seriously)
[07:30] <jim__> revelater: right
[07:30] <IrIT^> Evening! :-)
[07:30] <JM_> Question concerning 404 error when updating readahead from Hoary main, when will it be back?
[07:31] <revelater> IrIT^: morning
[07:31] <kareto> do any1 know how i can install ati drivers (for ati radeon 9250)?
[07:31] <frothing_nub> revelater, can you suggest a good place to get a guide on installing drivers and the like for ubuntu? all the guides I've seen so far are kind of... lacking.
[07:31] <kareto> *does...
[07:31] <revelater> kareto: apt-get install fglrx
[07:32] <jim__> shorewall?
[07:32] <revelater> frothing_nub: i am actually not sure where to install dirvers myself, i just use apt-get wheni  need to
[07:32] <jim__> I see a readme
[07:32] <revelater> actually, it would have to go into the linux modules folder right?
[07:32] <revelater> or kernel modules
[07:33] <nubbe> Everything may crash horribly in 5 mins but so far going from 386 to 686 makes a diff, xorg is lower on cpu, apps open a little snappier  :)
[07:33] <frothing_nub> Thats probably the thing I need, apt-get is the command that lets ya get stuff from repositories right?
[07:33] <revelater> yyup
[07:34] <revelater> is the amd 2800+ a 64bit cpu?
[07:34] <ailas> any idea? http://ailas.net/foun/Obraz102.jpg :(
[07:35] <HappyFool> ailas: you're not running breezy or anything like that, are you?
[07:35] <K_Dallas> what program i could use to capture videos from my analog camcorder? it is connected thru usb? Thanks
[07:35] <ailas> HappyFool: horay (sorry)
[07:35] <HappyFool> ailas: hm
[07:36] <HappyFool> ailas: i know what the problem is, but maybe you could look in your logs for a clue
[07:36] <ailas> HappyFool: i can't strace, which logs?
[07:36] <HappyFool> ailas: try looking in /var/log/Xorg.0.log (might not be 0, but something like that)
[07:36] <HappyFool> ailas: and also ~/.xsession-errors
[07:37] <HappyFool> revelater: take a look at /proc/cpuinfo
[07:37] <frothing_nub> revelater, any suggestions on methods of finding, or a list of stuff I can get with apt-get?
[07:37] <HappyFool> maybe the 'model name' field will give you a clue
[07:38] <Burn`> hello, I just installed a wireless pci card DWL-G520 and my pc hangs on boot --> uncompressing kernel, what to do?
[07:39] <ailas> HappyFool: i'm working on it :)
[07:39] <HappyFool> ailas: good luck
[07:40] <HappyFool> Burn`: eek. and removing the card lets the kernel boot normally?
[07:40] <Benjamin_L> hopefully this X madness will stop anytime soon ^^
[07:41] <novaflare> whats the command to restart x again i freaking forgot
[07:41] <|QuaD-> what do i need to play mpc files with gstreamer?
[07:41] <ailas> HappyFool: nothing strange in logs :(
[07:41] <ailas> HappyFool: where is the problem?
[07:42] <HappyFool> novaflare: you can try startx, or maybe 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart'
[07:42] <ailas> HappyFool: i upgraded from debian sid today
[07:42] <revelater> frothing_nub: use synaptic
[07:42] <UbuntuNooB> hi.. what to do if libgii0 said it needs libgii0-target and if i install libgii0-target first, it said it needs libgii (for mplayer installation)
[07:42] <HappyFool> ailas: sorry, i don't know
[07:42] <ailas> HappyFool: its ok, thanks anyway
[07:43] <HappyFool> ailas: maybe try the mailing list?
[07:43] <HappyFool> UbuntuNooB: how are you installing them?
[07:44] <sunshine> Hello World
[07:44] <UbuntuNooB> happyfool: i don't have internet connection, so i installed them one by one
[07:44] <ailas> HappyFool: already searching ;)
[07:44] <UbuntuNooB> HappyFool: i'm stuck at those two
[07:44] <HappyFool> Ubuntico: i mean, are you using dpkg ? apt-get ?
[07:45] <HappyFool> err, UbuntuNooB, that is
[07:45] <UbuntuNooB> HappyFool: using dpkg
[07:46] <HappyFool> UbuntuNooB: try 'dpkg -i <pck1.deb> <pckg2.deb>'
[07:47] <smalltobi> hi
[07:47] <smalltobi> has anyone succeeded with installing the packet "libqt3-dev"?
[07:47] <novaflare> hmm
[07:47] <novaflare> i only have one slight isue left with my drivers
[07:48] <UbuntuNooB> HappyFool: thanks, it works :D
[07:48] <novaflare> well 2 realy
[07:48] <smalltobi> there seem to be broken dependencies
[07:48] <novaflare> 1 i cant get extended display prob for got some line in my xorg.conf
[07:48] <smalltobi> is there a workaround / solution for it?
[07:48] <novaflare> and to at boot up i cant see the log in screen
[07:48] <novaflare> i just listen for the sound prompt and type my user name and pass for that
[07:49] <paolob> Hi guys. I have just upgraded to hoary. The apache server was working, but now it refuses the connection. What is the reason?
[07:49] <Benjamin_L> does anybody know how to get my mouse wheel working in breezy or is this also related to the X transition ?
[07:51] <HappyFool> paolob: maybe you can look in your logs. I can't remember where they are (try a sub-directory of /var/log/, possibly /var/log/apache2 or /var/log/httpd)
[07:54] <Tallia1> mhh
[07:55] <xoz> Benjamin_L: imwheel?
[07:55] <Tallia1> guys.......... is there someone in here that know evolution? i has a problem with evolution addressbook export...
[07:55] <Tallia1> when i try to run this command located in the lib directory of evolution
[07:56] <Tallia1> it functions only if the export format is different from csv
[07:56] <Tallia1> ........ sosob ........
[07:56] <Benjamin_L> xoz, what ? :) I have a Logitech MX310 and the wheel stopped working few days ago
[07:57] <`psycho> hellow ppls
[07:57] <xoz> Benjamin_L: ah... imwheel is a prog for wheel mouse. perhaps you can try it.
[07:58] <`psycho> does anyone here have experience with creative audio cards?
[07:58] <dr_willis> `psycho,  i have severla of them :P
[07:58] <`psycho> :)
[07:58] <`psycho> i hope u'll be able to help me then
[07:58] <`psycho> namely mine gives the sound of silence
[07:59] <dr_willis> unmute the card in the mixers. and if useing digital out - you will have to enable that. It can be annoying
[07:59] <`psycho> exactly
[07:59] <`psycho> th<t's the prob
[07:59] <`psycho> i can't find the alalog/digital switch
[07:59] <`psycho> :X
[08:00] <dr_willis> i installed the OTHER mixers and it was in one of them.
[08:00] <dr_willis> alsa-mixer, or similer.. i forget which one i use.
[08:00] <`psycho> i have alsa already installed
[08:00] <dr_willis> theres a few docs out about the thing.
[08:00] <dr_willis> not alsa - the alsa MIXERS
[08:00] <bigfoot> Hi everyone. My "package manager" shows that there are updates available for mozilla-firefox. My current version (installed version) is 1.0.2-0ubuntu5.2   .     The latest version is 1.0.2-0ubuntu5.3  . Just wondering what the difference is. Also, is there a website that can say what changes are made between versions?
[08:00] <dr_willis> theres several mixers for alsa. some are better done then others
[08:01] <`psycho> so no alsa mixer?
[08:01] <lowlux> i have the live cd and the and every thing started working fine.... into i got to creating user...
[08:01] <lowlux> it got to 63% of creating user... and it never went on...? i let it sit for 10 or 15 minits and it just stood there? what is wrong?
[08:01] <lowlux> AMD Athlon, 1667 MHz
[08:01] <lowlux> Memor 480MB RAM
[08:01] <lowlux> NVIDIA GeForce2 Integrated GPU
[08:01] <`psycho> oka...
[08:01] <lowlux> p.s i reburnd the iso and it still gets to 63%
[08:01] <lowlux> i have the live cd and the and every thing started working fine.... into i got to creating user...
[08:01] <lowlux> it got to 63% of creating user... and it never went on...? i let it sit for 10 or 15 minits and it just stood there? what is wrong?
[08:01] <`psycho> but can u recommend me what to use?
[08:01] <lowlux> AMD Athlon, 1667 MHz
[08:01] <lowlux> Memor 480MB RAM
[08:01] <lowlux> NVIDIA GeForce2 Integrated GPU
[08:01] <lowlux> p.s i reburnd the iso and it still gets to 63%
[08:01] <lowlux> shh
[08:01] <dr_willis> i insrtalled them ALL `psycho  and tried all of them .:P  to get it set up right. havent messed with them in months. so No. :P
[08:02] <`psycho> lol
[08:02] <`psycho> oh well thx anyway
[08:02] <`psycho> :)
[08:02] <dr_willis> apt-cache search mixer
[08:02] <yaaar> word
[08:02] <lowlux> i have the live cd and and every thing started working fine....  at boot up into it got to creating user...and it just stop booting at 63%
[08:02] <HappyFool> lowlux: did you check the iso you downloaded? you can do an md5sum check on it
[08:02] <dr_willis> when useing some  of the mixers - scroll to the right.. a lot of the controlls are off to the side. (wide screen helps)
[08:03] <lowlux> i dunno how to do md5sum
[08:03] <demian> hi all!
[08:03] <HappyFool> lowlux: what OS are you running on now?
[08:03] <lowlux> win xp
[08:03] <demian> can someone tell me why the package readahead is nowhere to be found? :(
[08:04] <demian> I'm trying to upgrade this warty box to hoary, and the readahead packages are not in pool/r/readahead on any of the mirrors
[08:04] <bigfoot> in synaptic, what does the ubuntu icon beside the package name mean?
[08:04] <nubbe> bigfoot, http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=17
[08:04] <demian> and, apt-get dist-upgrade complains (rightly so :))
[08:04] <hmpr2> yo
[08:04] <HappyFool> lowlux: you can get an md5sum checker here: http://etree.org/software.html
[08:05] <jamesio> does anyone have a link to a legal torrent that may have 1000's of users in it?  I'm testing out my client on a 2.5M/sec link and have yet to get any of the ubuntu torrents to work
[08:05] <hmpr2> how do i get sound n ubuntu
[08:05] <bigfoot> nubbe, that link is for my question regarding version numbers of Firefox?
[08:05] <HappyFool> lowlux: the expected md5sum values are on the ubuntu download page -- you know where that is?
[08:05] <dr_willis> hmpr2,  depends on your sound card. for most people it works fine.
[08:05] <elroot> hi...what is the best cd burning utility for gnome?
[08:05] <nubbe> bigfoot, yupp
[08:06] <bigfoot> thank you
[08:06] <hmpr2> onboard ac'97 audio
[08:06] <demian> elroot, there really aren't any :) install k3b :) (or, if you JUST need to write a data cd, you can use nautilus cd burner, you can find it in the 'places' menu)
[08:07] <HappyFool> bigfoot: you asked earlier about firefox upgrades; i *think* this might be an answer: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2005-May/000141.html
[08:07] <bigfoot> I'd like to try out Galeon Browser, but it seems to need the Mozilla-Browser package, as well. Why is that?
[08:07] <HappyFool> oh, i see someone posted an answer. oh well
[08:07] <demian> does anyone have a readahead package laying around so I can finish this installation? please :)
[08:08] <elroot> demian, tks....yes i use k3b ...i just wanted to know if there was program as good as k3b for gnome:P
[08:08] <demian> readahead_1.0.1-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
[08:08] <HappyFool> demian: let me check on the cd... standby
[08:08] <demian> elroot, no, sorry :( but I hear some people are porting k3b to gnome
[08:09] <demian> HappyFool, from the hoary cd please :)
[08:09] <HappyFool> yip
[08:09] <demian> HappyFool, thank you
[08:09] <IrIT> hmm, my xmms has frozen
[08:09] <hmpr2> dr_willis, onboard ac97 when i do multimedia systems selector choosa alsa click test it says Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'
[08:09] <IrIT> How can i kill the program?
[08:09] <Daillew> elroot, i installed GnomeBaker today and burnt a few CD's and it seems pretty good
[08:09] <HappyFool> err, one moment. my cd-drive is a bit dodgy...
[08:09] <demian> HappyFool, lol, sony drive no doubt? :)
[08:09] <HappyFool> demian: no-name brand
[08:10] <alastairda> What compilers does 5.04 include?
[08:10] <elroot> yeah...i've used gnomebaker and gnome toaster....
[08:10] <alastairda> they're both shit
[08:10] <HappyFool> demian: readahead_1.0.1-2ubuntu1_i386.deb ?
[08:10] <elroot> have anybody tried nero for linux?
[08:11] <Daillew> nah
[08:11] <demian> elroot, yeah, it's lame :)
[08:11] <alastairda> no, but I hear "it just works"
[08:11] <demian> elroot, not half the features that k3b has
[08:11] <elroot> yes..i've already listened that...
[08:11] <nubbe> I tried gnomebaker, it was worthless, nautilus has worked flawlessly (a bit short on features tho...)
[08:11] <HappyFool> alastairda: gcc / g++ / g77 at the very least. what were you looking for?
[08:12] <demian> elroot, just stick with k3b, nero's cd burning stuff isn't quite as featureful as cdrecord... :) it's more propaganda than anything else
[08:12] <freebee> i'm making the live-cd with K3b tried everyting else and that doesn't go
[08:12] <pfp> hmm, is there a way to make all amsn's windows always stay on all workspaces?
[08:12] <demian> HappyFool, my firewall :(
[08:12] <HappyFool> ah
[08:13] <demian> HappyFool, just a sec, I've got another idea
[08:13] <demian> HappyFool, I'll login from my own server :)
[08:13] <elroot> tks demian...i will keep k3b..
[08:13] <HappyFool> demian: err, ok
[08:13] <alastairda> Does Xfce install without issues?
[08:14] <demian2> happyfool, can you dcc send it here please?
[08:14] <HappyFool> will do
[08:14] <alastairda> and does ubuntu include pcmcia support?
[08:15] <HappyFool> demian2: never had much luck with dcc and xchat, but let's see
[08:15] <IrIT> errors=remount-ro 0       1  <-- in my fstab. What is it good for?
[08:15] <demian2> happyfool, please try one more time :)
[08:15] <HappyFool> ok
[08:15] <elroot> alastairda, yes it  does
[08:15] <HappyFool> ah-ha
[08:16] <demian> thank you ha
[08:16] <demian> HappyFool,
[08:16] <demian> :)
[08:16] <alastairda> where should I get all my additional packages from?
[08:16] <HappyFool> not an especially big file
[08:16] <demian> no, but hoary won't install without it
[08:16] <Bramme> i ran out of diskspace, couldn't log in, but in the term i saw 3 files of +1 gb in the /var/log dir, i removed them... how do i evite such big files ?
[08:17] <demian> HappyFool, you're a life saver :) I want to marry you and carry your children :P
[08:17] <HappyFool> *blush*
[08:18] <HappyFool> repository seems to have some issues now and then
[08:18] <bigfoot> hi all, Is there a way to have tighter line spacing in the dropdown menus? I ask this primarily because I want to see more of my bookmarks (in a webbrowser) at one glance, rather than scrolling down to see more.
[08:18] <HappyFool> most trying
[08:18] <Tsingi> I see from ubuntu 5.04 gas the latest gnome, can I count on latest glib, gtk+ etc?
[08:18] <Tsingi> better yet is there a list somewhere?
[08:19] <Tsingi> (err, I meant to say, I see from the release notes)
[08:19] <ubuntu_> Hi,all
[08:19] <bigfoot> to galeon users, how can we customize the toolbars to show only icons (and no text)?
[08:20] <mjr> Tsingi, pretty much yes
[08:20] <mjr> Tsingi, might not have all the latest minor releases, since it's frozen though
[08:20] <Tsingi> k, cause I'm gonna install over my fc2, there will be no turning back and I use those libs for dev work.
[08:20] <Tsingi> I could upgrade them myself of course:)
[08:20] <bigfoot> ohgood, i found the answer on galeon's webpage re: no text on icons.
[08:20] <alastairda> ubuntu uses lilo or grub x86?
[08:21] <HappyFool> Tsingi: maybe run the live-cd and take a look at the versions there?
[08:21] <Tsingi> mjr: be nice to see a manifest
[08:21] <Tsingi> HappyFool: tell me how to proceed
[08:21] <Tsingi> what is the live cd? I have an install cd made.
[08:22] <Triffid_Hunter> alastairda: either, though grub is the default iirc
[08:22] <alastairda> cool
[08:22] <mjr> Tsingi, well, you can check the Packages files from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/
[08:22] <HappyFool> Tsingi: the live-cd is a bootable CD that lets you run ubuntu without installing
[08:22] <pokpok> i just can
[08:22] <pokpok> ups..
[08:22] <alastairda> no perl or python?
[08:22] <Tsingi> HappyFool: k, that sounds good.
[08:22] <Tsingi> HappyFool: thanks
[08:22] <HappyFool> Tsingi: though I'm not sure how to check for library versions by just looking at /usr/lib
[08:22] <pokpok> i just can't center a div box in the page.. how do i do that?
[08:23] <HappyFool> alastairda: both, afaik
[08:23] <alastairda> why use ubuntu?
[08:23] <Tsingi> HappyFool: pkg-config will do that
[08:23] <alastairda> I'm considering switching from slackware to ubutu -- because I'm bored -- why should I use ubuntu?
[08:24] <bigfoot> what is: in Preferences > Menus and Toolbars -> Editable menu accelerators?
[08:24] <Tsingi> alastairda: because you want to
[08:24] <alastairda> how's package management?
[08:24] <ogra> alastairda, because we all will love you then ;)
[08:24] <Moonshine> Love
[08:24] <mjr> alastairda, deb and apt, works dandy
[08:25] <Tsingi> alastairda: how is slackware lately?  Haven't used that in a shile.  Old friend though.
[08:25] <Tsingi> while
[08:25] <alastairda> fantastic
[08:25] <alastairda> no crud
[08:25] <alastairda> "it just works"
[08:26] <humbraro> alastairda: i recently switched from slack to ubuntu - i find slack to be a better server, ubuntu a better desktop
[08:26] <ohgood> alastairda: hehe, it's still linux, right ? ;)
[08:26] <humbraro> alastairda: this after using slack for about 3 years
[08:26] <Tsingi> alastairda: I used slackware to build an ISP once.  That's what I remember about it.  Good that it hasn't changed.
[08:27] <alastairda> ubuntu includes python and perl?
[08:27] <Shufla> hello
[08:27] <HappyFool> alastairda: yip
[08:27] <Moonshine> Hi, how to become a realy root?
[08:27] <alastairda> oh well, I can always change back if I get bored
[08:27] <HappyFool> i believe canonical (ubuntu backers) are quite big on python
[08:27] <Shufla> Moonshine: sudo -i
[08:28] <bigfoot> to those who use galeon: what makes you use galeon over firefox?
[08:28] <ubuntu_> HappyFool, do you know if I can install everything from liveCD to harddisk?
[08:28] <HappyFool> ubuntu_: i don't think you can install from the live cd, though i may be wrong
[08:28] <HappyFool> ubuntu_: if you want to install, get the install cd
[08:29] <Tsingi> heh, I have an install cd, I'm getting the lvie cd.
[08:29] <demian> ubunt_: no, that's what the install cd's for :) the live cd's just for carrying around and testing weither or not the ubuntu system will 'just work(r)'
[08:29] <bigfoot> to those who have used both Galeon and FX, what can FX do that Galeon can't?
[08:29] <Moonshine> I dont like sudo commands. Is there a way to get oldschool root account?
[08:29] <bigfoot> or what makes you use FX more than Galeon?
[08:29] <alastairda> Moonshine, su
[08:29] <Tsingi> s galeon have svg?
[08:29] <ubuntu_> HappyFool, hmm, because someone customize the LiveCD, and I am wondering if I could just copy it to hd
[08:29] <Tsingi> (does)
[08:29] <Shufla> Moonshine: yes. explained on www.ubuntulinux.org
[08:29] <Shufla> bigfoot: adblock?
[08:30] <Moonshine> thanx;-)
[08:30] <stimpie> I'am trying to install mencoder from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat but its giving me serveral dependecie problems, could someone assist me in how to resolve those?
[08:31] <elroot> Moonshine, http://ubuntuguide.org/#usersadministration
[08:32] <phxguy> can anyone here help me with my system... i keep getting a kernal panic on boot
[08:33] <alastairda> Does anyone realise that the punctuation is borked on the main page?
[08:33] <stimpie> phxguy, ouch
[08:33] <demian> phxguy, what does it say?
[08:33] <Tsingi> LOL!  This is funny, I'm downloading Live cd on my windows box and cd creator pops up a window on my linux box.
[08:33] <demian> phxguy, just 'kernel panic' isn't very informative :)
[08:33] <Tsingi> now that's perceptive
[08:34] <stimpie> demian, well it those make clear something is really wrong
[08:34] <stimpie> those = does
[08:34] <phxguy> demian, Kernal Panic - Not syncing VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[08:34] <demian> phxguy, ah, that's probably easy enough to fix, it means that grub is mis-configured
[08:34] <alastairda> did you build your own kernel?
[08:34] <demian> phxguy, what partition is linux installed on?
[08:34] <phxguy> i mistakenly updated my kernals last night and thats is the results
[08:35] <alastairda> Because if you did, you forgot to include the drivers for the correct filesystem you are using.
[08:35] <bensexson> I am having issues getting a DHCP address with eth0 my Broadcom wireless works fine.  This seemed to happen after I tried ifplugd.  I know the ethernet connection is good setting the IP static allows me toping the gateway.  Just DHCP fails.
[08:35] <alastairda> ext2/3 reiserfs etc.
[08:35] <demian> phxguy, it's probably no big deal, do you know what drive/partition should be your root filesystem?
[08:35] <phxguy> yup my Linux is on hdb1
[08:35] <phxguy> and my mbr is on hda
[08:36] <demian> phxguy, then you might be able to boot it manually, do you know how to edit a grub line in grub itself?
[08:36] <alastairda> phxguy, it's a case of forgetting to include drivers for the filesystems you are using.
[08:36] <_p4c> Does ubuntu detact any usb thumbdrive automatically?
[08:36] <phxguy> alastairda, it has nothing to do with my drivers...... my system was working just fine before i did the updates last night through synaptic
[08:37] <elroot> alastairda, the kernel of ubuntu has support for these filesystems...
[08:37] <demian> alastairda, 'unknown-block(0,0)' denotes that it's trying to use /dev/hda as a root device I think. /dev/hdb1 should bbe block(1,1) I think
[08:37] <alastairda> sh ok
[08:37] <Shufla> hdb1=(1,0)
[08:37] <alastairda> ah even
[08:37] <HappyFool> 1,0
[08:37] <demian> phxguy, anyway, just edit the grub line, and make sure that somewhere there is a root=/dev/hdb1 parameter
[08:38] <demian> Shufla, HappyFool I stand corrected :)
[08:38] <refuze2looze> how come sometimes programs (firefox for instance) close down all of the sudden, like simply disappearing?
[08:38] <alastairda> fucked hardware?
[08:38] <alastairda> bad memory possibly
[08:38] <daush> helo
[08:38] <daush> i have a question please
[08:38] <Tsingi> anyone recommend a good windows irc client I can use while my linux box is down?
[08:38] <refuze2looze> alastairda: are you speaking to me?
[08:39] <alastairda> refuze2looze, yes
[08:39] <Triffid_Hunter> refuze2looze: they do that when they crash
[08:39] <HappyFool> Tsingi: there used to be an x-chat for windows
[08:39] <daush> anybody who use ubuntu please
[08:39] <stimpie> refuze2looze, try starting them from console you might see some errors
[08:39] <phxguy> ok im on a live cd right now how do i mount my harddrive (hdb1)
[08:39] <daush> ^4 hi
[08:39] <HappyFool> daush: just ask. don't ask to ask
[08:39] <daush> oka
[08:39] <refuze2looze> alastairda: no, my memory and hardware are fine. didn't have any problems with windows xp and suse linux
[08:39] <demian> phxguy,  think you can make this work?
[08:39] <alastairda> Tsingi, there's only one windows irc client, mirc
[08:39] <alastairda> www.mirc.co.uk
[08:39] <lok> no
[08:39] <refuze2looze> stimpie: yeah i know, but i don't know when it will crash.. i guess i should try to always open firefox from console until it crashes
[08:39] <lok> hydrairc, kvirc, xchat
[08:40] <bensexson> anybody know why my ethernet would fail dhcp in ubuntu but still work with static
[08:40] <phxguy> demian,  I hope so
[08:40] <Tsingi> I'll get mIrc and xchat then.
[08:40] <Shufla> bensexson: and udp works fine? your cable may be wrong.
[08:41] <bensexson> no its not a cable issue the same cable worked before and still works on my xp boot
[08:41] <daush> look. my girfrind has a PC.. but sux, like  amd 500 , 64 or 128 ram and like 3gb, all onboard, she format the pc b'coz is too slow, reinstall w98 but don't work more the modem USB asl(300kb). so install windows 2000, the modem works but the Pc is too slow. soo my question, Ubunto can run in her PC and detect the modem USB ?
[08:42] <daush> ah.. ubunto works fine un my pc an modem USB too (600kbps), and i don't configure nothing :D
[08:42] <phxguy> ok so how do i mount my harddrive?
[08:43] <Shufla> phxguy: sudo mkdir /mnt/disk ; sudo mount /dev/disk-id /mnt/disk
[08:43] <stimpie> can someone tell me how to install mencoder?
[08:43] <bensexson> anybody else have any issues recieve an address through dhcp but no probs with static.  my wireless works fine.
[08:44] <phxguy> Shufla, it tells me  mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[08:44] <Shufla> phxguy: then, check system type.
[08:44] <stimpie> bensexson, you can try a longer time out
[08:44] <phxguy> i got it
[08:44] <oscarh> hi!
[08:45] <oscarh> i've got problemst with cups
[08:45] <bensexson> stimpe: no that wont help this worked before I think ifplugd did something.
[08:45] <oscarh> it wont bind to the socket
[08:45] <oscarh> there are some threads about this but no answers in the forums
[08:45] <elroot> stimpie, go to synaptic and install it
[08:45] <elroot> :P
[08:46] <daush> hey! what was the minimun requeriment to run ubuntu=?????
[08:46] <phxguy> demian what file do i need to edit
[08:47] <IcemanV9> daush: use livecd and find out if modem usb works or not without destroying her hd :)
[08:47] <daush> ._.
[08:47] <daush> but will run?
[08:47] <daush> i already put the live cd
[08:47] <hodgman> daush: I'm running ubuntu on a PII 233    pretty slow but it runs
[08:47] <daush> and. wait.. wait
[08:47] <daush> wait
[08:47] <daush> oka
[08:47] <daush> i will try staling :D
[08:48] <hodgman> daush: if I went with a light weight Xwindow it would run faster I'm sure
[08:48] <hodgman> daush: gnome is a bit of a hog
[08:49] <hodgman> daush: you can install ubuntu as a "server" then manually install what ever X you want to, something like XFCE4 would be good for a older system
[08:49] <hodgman> daush: granted its not nearly as "pretty" as gnome but its light weight
[08:50] <daush> mhm interesing
[08:50] <daush> already read your words like 5 times
[08:50] <daush> xD
[08:50] <phxguy> ok im not getting anywhere with getting my system back....
[08:50] <HappyFool> phxguy: it's a grub menu file
[08:51] <phxguy> HappyFool, i know im in it now and it looks like it should
[08:51] <HappyFool> doh
[08:51] <oscarh> no one with info on cups? :(
[08:51] <phxguy> I have root=/dev/hdb1 where it should be
[08:51] <toxicfume> Is ubuntu having any plans to support the Acer 1692 Aspire laptops for the future release?
[08:52] <HappyFool> i have a line that says 'groot=(hd0,2) -- i guess yours should be (hd1,0) ?
[08:52] <stimpie> bensexson, or check the output of "dhclient"
[08:52] <stimpie> how can I get arround this: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:52] <stimpie>   libavcodec2: Depends: libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[08:52] <phxguy> happy I have that section but it is commented out
[08:52] <stimpie>                Depends: libvorbisenc2 (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[08:52] <stimpie>   libpostproc0: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[08:54] <ganatronic> I have a question about the state of one of the archive repositories. getting an error.
[08:54] <bensexson> stimpie: dhclient doesn't give any useful info.  I think ifplugd did something.  I just can't figue out what.
[08:54] <_p4c> Does ubuntu can detect any usb thumbdrive automatically?
[08:54] <ganatronic> Trying to install the ubuntu desktop package, but I'm not able to get the Readahead package
[08:54] <HappyFool> phxguy: what's the 'root' entry for your kernel ? not the root=/dev/hda3, but 'root    (hd*,*)' just before it?
[08:55] <ganatronic> error = W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/r/readahead/readahead_1.0.1-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
[08:55] <HappyFool> ganatronic: something's broken with the repository -- another guy had a similar problem
[08:55] <HappyFool> ganatronic: i can DCC the file to you -- it's only 7kB
[08:55] <carthik> I keep getting data I/O errors when I try to copy stuff from either of my cdrom drives to the HDD. Is this a known problem?
[08:55] <phxguy> root		(hd1,0)
[08:55] <phxguy> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-686 root=/dev/hdb1 ro
[08:56] <HappyFool> phxguy: hrm
[08:56] <ganatronic> Happyfool: sure, that sounds good
[08:56] <Triffid_Hunter> carthik: it normally means bad cd, but can also mean dying cdroms or a bad ide cable
[08:56] <phxguy> my device.map file shows (hd1) /dev/hdb so i think that is correct
[08:56] <carthik> Triffid_Hunter, but the same cd works on my ubuntu laptop
[08:57] <bensexson> anybody good with dhcp
[08:57] <carthik> Triffid_Hunter, its actually a mpeg file. I play it - it plays fine for about 5 minutes, before exiting
[08:57] <ChinaCatJones> car. did you happen to burn the cd on the laptop?
[08:57] <carthik> ChinaCatJones, yes
[08:57] <carthik> Will cds only work in the machine they were written on? :)
[08:57] <carthik> ChinaCatJones, ^^
[08:57] <Triffid_Hunter> carthik: can you copy the file off the cd? may give you slightly more descriptive errors
[08:58] <ganatronic> Happyfool: Thanks a bunch :)
[08:58] <carthik> Triffid_Hunter, when I try to copy the file off the cd is when I get the Disk I/O error message. Both in Nautilus and simple shell cp.
[08:58] <Triffid_Hunter> worst case, rip an image of it at like 4x with a cd burning program and see what it says
[08:58] <HappyFool> phxguy: i'm out of ideas. sounds like grub is correctly setup
[08:58] <ChinaCatJones> carthik- I just went through this problem myself, I had to reburn the iso at a slower speed to get it to work on other drives, i also verified after the burn to make sure
[08:58] <HappyFool> ganatronic: np
[08:58] <Triffid_Hunter> try changing the ide cable
[08:58] <Triffid_Hunter> if that doesn't help, borrow a friend's rom
[08:59] <Triffid_Hunter> what ide chipset does your mainboard have?
[08:59] <carthik> ChinaCatJones, interesting -- but why should it be the case, really? THe same cd works fine on Windows machines now...
[08:59] <carthik> Triffid_Hunter, need I know that, really?
[08:59] <phxguy> happy fool apparently this is a known issue last night bug11135
[09:00] <phxguy> but haven't been able to figure out have to revert back to prior my kernal update
[09:00] <Triffid_Hunter> carthik: if its a known issue, it'll be particular to a given ide chipset
[09:00] <carthik> Triffid_Hunter, would that knowledge help fix the problem. I am using a laptop right now, restarting the desktop. I dont have a clue about the hardware... need I open the box?
[09:00] <HappyFool> phxguy: ah
[09:00] <frothing_nub> okay, before I go messing with fstab for the first time, can someone look this over and tell me if it will work? /dev/hdb1 /home ntfs 0 0
[09:01] <elroot> frothing_nub, NO
[09:01] <phxguy> happyfool https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug?id=11135
[09:01] <ChinaCatJones> carthik-  in my many years of making coasters sometimes other drives have issues reading disks that were at a higher rate, i have no explanation, but trial and error has proven me write
[09:01] <frothing_nub> :(
[09:01] <refuze2looze> ok, i ran firefox from console and it crashed saying "The program 'Gecko' received an X Window System error." some other stuff too.. anybody have any idea what the problem is?
[09:01] <carthik> ChinaCatJones, coasters - I hear you :)
[09:01] <Triffid_Hunter> carthik: lspci | grep -A10 IDE
[09:01] <Triffid_Hunter> ;)
[09:01] <carthik> ChinaCatJones, I should invent an art form that uses CDs...
[09:01] <refuze2looze> The error was 'BadIDChoice (invalid resource ID chosen for this connection)'
[09:02] <Triffid_Hunter> actually forget the -A10
[09:02] <ChinaCatJones> i reinstalled yestrerday had had the exact same issue, reburning at 8x solved the problem
[09:05] <srbaker> is the raid config specific to ubuntu, or is it from debian installer?
[09:05] <frothing_nub> Everytime I mount my ntfs drive (using the command on the ubuntuguide) it doesn't remount when I reboot. I'm just trying to fix that so it stays mounted
[09:05] <carthik> Triffid_Hunter, it is an [SiS]  5513 controller, for the IDE
[09:05] <HappyFool> phxguy: ah. clearly fiddling with grub isn't going to help then
[09:05] <ChinaCatJones> frothing-nub- have you modified fstab?
[09:05] <stimpie> refuze2looze, that sounds like an firefox bug
[09:05] <HappyFool> phxguy: did the upgrade remove your previous image?
[09:05] <carthik> ChinaCatJones, but I dont have the damn originals of the CD. Will have to dump to laptop and then write again!
[09:05] <phxguy> apparently because i can't find it
[09:05] <HappyFool> hm
[09:05] <frothing_nub> chinacat: no but I was planning on it, just don't really know what to put in it or where.
[09:05] <phxguy> HappyFool, heres the bugreport I forgot the.cgi previousy
[09:05] <phxguy> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11135
[09:05] <HappyFool> yeah, i found it, thanks
[09:05] <HappyFool> not especially informative though
[09:05] <ChinaCatJones> mounting windows drives and the fstab edit are "cut and paste" easy from www.ubunbtuguide.org
[09:05] <HappyFool> a "this is how to revert kernels" would be nice
[09:05] <phxguy> yes it would
[09:05] <HappyFool> i wonder if you can chroot to /dev/hdb1 and run apt-get or something from there
[09:05] <phxguy> HappyFool, comment 4 says to do this:
[09:05] <phxguy> - boot with live-cd
[09:05] <phxguy> - mount / partition at /media
[09:05] <phxguy> - chroot /media
[09:05] <phxguy> - mount /proc
[09:05] <phxguy> - wget breezy package of initrd-tools
[09:05] <phxguy> - dpkg -i initrd-tools
[09:05] <phxguy> - dpkg-reconfigure installed linux-image packages
[09:05] <phxguy> - then reboot.
[09:05] <refuze2looze> stimpie: i doubt it, other programs have been crashing as well
[09:05] <HappyFool> breezy?
[09:05] <phxguy> but im configued with the wget part
[09:06] <carthik> ChinaCatJones, Triffid_Hunter is there a way I can lower the "read" speed? Maybe that would help?
[09:06] <jbailey> HappyFool: Are you experiencing the problem?
[09:06] <HappyFool> no
[09:06] <HappyFool> phxguy is
[09:06] <frothing_nub> Chinacat: can you mount the NTFS drive in your home directory? Or does it have to be in that media/windows/ directory?
[09:06] <stimpie> all gtk apps?
[09:06] <jbailey> phxguy: The problem isn't your kernel, it's the version of glibc.
[09:06] <Triffid_Hunter> carthik: you can, but the only way i know how is to use a cd burning program's "create image" mode...
[09:06] <phxguy> jbailey, Im having the problem since last night when i mistakenly updated my kernal from the backport repo
[09:06] <carthik> Triffid_Hunter, I see.
[09:06] <phxguy> jbailey, so how do i get back
[09:07] <jbailey> phxguy: Something caused your machine to have the glibc from breezy.  Do you know what caused that?
[09:07] <phxguy> jbailey, i rebooted just prior to updating and the only things i updated was the kernal
[09:07] <phxguy> jbailey, and i also installed GDM
[09:08] <jbailey> phxguy: Did you update from anywhere other than the backports tree?
[09:08] <phxguy> along with the associated files
[09:08] <jbailey> phxguy: We've been getting these reports and can't seem to track down what's happening.
[09:08] <jbailey> phxguy: But the initrd-tools in hoary doens't work with the glibc in breezy.
[09:08] <phxguy> jbailey would my synaptic log help?
[09:08] <ChinaCatJones> carthik-  I have never heard about reducing read speed
[09:08] <jbailey> phxguy: Can you check your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[09:08] <jbailey> phxguy: If you paste it to me in a /msg, I can check those sources.
[09:09] <phxguy> jbailey i posted my sources.list last night on #flood
[09:09] <toxicfume> Hi all. I am having a problem with my ubuntu installation on my laptop: My laptop is a widescreen and has a native resolution of 1280x800..but there was no such option when i was installing ubuntu, now when ubuntu starts, i get just a blank screen after the bootup procedure(the list ofthings happening). I can only change terminals but that's it, i can't see the GUI. How do i fix that? Can someone please help me? Thanks
[09:09] <jbailey> phxguy: That won't help me now. =)
[09:09] <phxguy> ok hold on
[09:09] <stimpie> refuze2looze, are they all gtk applications?
[09:09] <carthik> toxicfume, seach for your laptop model at http://ubuntuforums.org and the ubuntu.com wiki
[09:09] <carthik> toxicfume, that would be a beginning :)
[09:10] <toxicfume> carthik: I searched ubuntuforums.org already, nothing there, i'll try the ubuntu.com wiki now
[09:11] <refuze2looze> stimpie: i believe so
[09:11] <phxguy> jbailey i just pasted it in #flood
[09:11] <Tsingi> toxicfume: You'll definitely need to find out what the horiz and vert refresh rates are for your machine to configure X.
[09:11] <Jet2k5> Hello anyone here using Bastille?>
[09:11] <phxguy> jbailey would you like to msg you with it
[09:11] <toxicfume> Tsingi: it's a laptop, an LCD :/
[09:11] <refuze2looze> stimpie: it is not normal for prorgrams to crash from time to time right?
[09:11] <jbailey> phxguy: I'm not in flood, sorry, I hadn't realised.  Do you mind /msg'ing it to me?
[09:12] <Tsingi> toxicfume: yeah, fine but you'll have to geo find the specs for it if you don't have them in the documentation you got with the box.
[09:12] <phxguy> phxguy deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted
[09:12] <phxguy> phxguy deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted
[09:12] <phxguy> phxguy ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the
[09:12] <phxguy> phxguy ## distribution.
[09:12] <phxguy> phxguy deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-updates main restricted
[09:12] <phxguy> phxguy deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-updates main restricted
[09:12] <phxguy> phxguy ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[09:12] <phxguy> phxguy ## repository.
[09:12] <phxguy> phxguy ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[09:12] <phxguy> phxguy ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[09:12] <phxguy> phxguy ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[09:12] <phxguy> phxguy ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[09:12] <phxguy> phxguy ## team.
[09:12] <phxguy> phxguy deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe
[09:12] <phxguy> phxguy deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe
[09:12] <phxguy> phxguy deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted
[09:12] <phxguy> phxguy deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted
[09:12] <Tsingi> toxicfume: but if someone else has done an install on your machine you can get help there
[09:12] <phxguy> phxguy deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security universe
[09:12] <phxguy> phxguy deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security universe
[09:12] <phxguy> phxguy deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary multiverse
[09:12] <toxicfume> Tsingi: I don't remember seeing the LCD's documentation in the box :/
[09:12] <phxguy> phxguy deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary multiverse
[09:12] <carthik> where is my BOAT? help! flood! :)
[09:12] <phxguy> phxguy deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[09:13] <phxguy> phxguy deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[09:13] <phxguy> phxguy deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[09:13] <toxicfume> Tsingi: i doubt anyone has
[09:13] <phxguy> phxguy deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[09:13] <phxguy> phxguy deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[09:13] <stimpie> refuze2looze, no they should work altough I know very little programs which can run for years
[09:13] <phxguy> phxguy deb http://debian.neo.pl/wfmh/ unstable main contrib non-free
[09:13] <phxguy> phxguy # Ubuntu Unstable
[09:13] <tritium> phxguy, quit pasting please
[09:13] <phxguy> sorry about that
[09:13] <carthik> where is my BOAT? help! flood! :)
[09:13] <stimpie> could you post that somewhere else?
[09:13] <refuze2looze> stimpie: well, my computer has been on for about a week and firefox is starting to crash a lot.. i just thought i could leave it on this long without any problems occuring..
[09:13] <toxicfume> Even the ubuntu.com Wiki doesn't have my laptop model mentioned anywhere
[09:13] <Tsingi> toxicfume: you can find that on the net.  also there is a site, I forget what it's called, that keeps records of installs on different laptops and often gives you an address of someone with a similar machine who will help you.
[09:14] <refuze2looze> stimpie: another program that crashes like that often is gftp
[09:14] <phxguy> tritium, Yeah LIKE I SAID sorry
[09:15] <carthik> toxicfume, the site tsingi was referring to, is http://www.linux-laptop.net/
[09:15] <tritium> phxguy, yes, I saw
[09:15] <phxguy> ok jbailey i think i msg'd you with it
[09:15] <toxicfume> carthik: ah, thanks :)
[09:15] <toxicfume> carthik: i'll trysearch there, but no luck on ubuntu's sites
[09:15] <stimpie> refuze2looze, it certainly sounds like a bug. Are you using the unbuntu repositorie?
[09:15] <Herminio> download low because of sock?
[09:16] <carthik> toxicfume, if nothing works, check the xorg error log . That should lead somewhere. Error logs are in /var/log/ by the way
[09:16] <toxicfume> carthik: someone took me through that the other day, but nothing was found in the error log
[09:16] <Tsingi> bah, mIRC keeps using my email as a username and it gets rejected.  It is not configured to do that.  seems broken.
[09:16] <carthik> toxicfume, if you want to try reconfiguring xorg, dpkg-reconfigure xrog.xserver should do it
[09:16] <ArcSine> what should i use instead of chkconfig?
[09:17] <ogi_> how do I get trash back to panel
[09:17] <phxguy> Okay so we know what the problem is with the kernal panic and glibc... how do i get back my system
[09:17] <toxicfume> carthik: but that doesn't list the 1280x800 resolution as far as i know
[09:17] <carthik> toxicfume, try recoonfiguring. If that does not work, try popping in a Knoppix cd to see if _that_ works
[09:17] <stimpie> refuze2looze, I must say that I just switched to ununtu from gentoo and that unbuntu isnt that stable
[09:17] <Tallia1> hi guys.. i need a hand about evolution2 addressbook export..
[09:17] <Herminio> download low because of sock?...
[09:17] <toxicfume> carthik: i already tried knoppix livecd, it can boot into fine
[09:17] <carthik> toxicfume, if Knoppix works, save a copy of the xorg.conf it generates by emailing it to yourself, and then copy in the relevant "Mode" lines and sections.
[09:17] <jbailey> phxguy: You can either downgrade your glibc (hard) and then regenerate the initrd, or install the new initrd-tools from breezy and update your initrd.
[09:18] <Tallia1> when i try to export using a particular executable included in the package ........ it makes an empty file if i select csv........
[09:18] <Tallia1> sosob
[09:18] <caonex> anybody here runnign automount (autofs)?
[09:18] <Tallia1> me
[09:18] <toxicfume> carthik: where is that file located though?
[09:18] <phxguy> how do i upgrade
[09:18] <carthik> toxicfume, I got rid of a flicker in my laptop screen the knoppix way
[09:18] <Tallia1> caonex: i'm running it
[09:18] <caonex> perfect Tallia1
[09:18] <Tallia1> why!?
[09:18] <toxicfume> carthik: aha
[09:18] <carthik> toxicfume, /etc/X11/ or /etc/X11/Xorg/ ---- basically cd to /etc/ and then look for things that begin with "X" :)
[09:18] <Herminio> my repositores do not obtain finish download because?
[09:19] <caonex> Tallia1, i have it configured and everything but i need to reload automount and even when i stop it using init.d/autofs it still keeps the mount when i type mount
[09:19] <caonex> how can i kill it?
[09:19] <carthik> Herminio, your internet connection might be bad
[09:19] <toxicfume> carthik: okay thanks :)
[09:19] <carthik> toxicfume, anytime
[09:19] <HappyFool> i think the repository is a bit borked -- two people have been unable to download the hoary readahead package
[09:19] <jbailey> phxguy: So you want the newer initrd-tools?
[09:19] <Herminio> carthik: download low because of sock?...
[09:20] <caonex> Tallia1, automount[12184] : mount_autofs: already mounted
[09:20] <carthik> Herminio, I am sorry didnt quite get that
[09:20] <phxguy> yup
[09:20] <caonex> Tallia1, automount[12184] : /mnt: mount failed!
[09:20] <caonex> Tallia1, i do not remember but you do not have to create the mount folders right?
[09:21] <caonex> Tallia1, and did you remove the entries from /etc/fstab?
[09:21] <Tsingi> ooh, nice boot music:)
[09:21] <Tallia1> sorry i was awayyyyyy for a second
[09:22] <caonex> Tallia1, no problem i was just posting quesitons in the meantime
[09:22] <tutte_> Hi all
[09:22] <Tallia1> it's normal that it still keep the mounts...
[09:22] <Tsingi> cool, automatically mounts my cruzer, I'm impressed.
[09:23] <phxguy> jbailey,  can you help me with that
[09:23] <caonex> Tallia1, autofs status says that my auto.mnt is not active or mounted
[09:23] <jbailey> phxguy: Yeah, do you have the partition booted on an older kernel?
[09:24] <juanmals> does ubuntu have a cd live version?
[09:24] <tutte> yes
[09:24] <juanmals> is it possible remastering it?
[09:25] <tutte> I don't know, I'm just a noob
[09:25] <Tsingi> what's the root passwd for the live cd?
[09:25] <techii> Tsingi: I would suggest you use "sudo"
[09:25] <stimpie> someone knows a good mp3 ID tag editor which is in the ubuntu repositorie?
[09:25] <alastair_> yo
[09:26] <phxguy> jbailey, what do you mena
[09:26] <tutte> tu?
[09:26] <phxguy> mean
[09:26] <xvlun> stefan_dk, easytag
[09:26] <jbailey> phxguy: Have you got the system up and running?
[09:26] <hmsmariano> hey, somebody knows how to play mp3's in ubuntu?
[09:26] <tutte> Yes
[09:26] <stimpie> xvlun, thanx
[09:26] <tutte> sudo apt-get install xmms
[09:26] <Tsingi> techii how can I hurt a read only file system?
[09:26] <phxguy> no i dont none of my kernal from grub work since last night.. right now im using a ubuntu live CD
[09:26] <hmsmariano> tutte thanks
[09:27] <hmsmariano> a lot :)
[09:27] <phxguy> jbailey i do have hdb1 mount as /media/kubuntu if that helps
[09:27] <alastair_> impressive
[09:27] <tutte> :)
[09:27] <alastair_> installation.
[09:27] <alastair_> impressive installation, even.
[09:27] <techii> Tsingi: Ubuntu comes without a root password by default
[09:28] <Tsingi> ok
[09:28] <hodgman> techii: which is rather scarry
[09:28] <Church_of_FoamY> anyone know how to install vmware?
[09:28] <alastair_> So how do I go about sanely updating this baby?
[09:28] <hmsmariano> tutte, one more question
[09:29] <hmsmariano> your destination is to save me today :)
[09:29] <Tsingi> using a blank passwd on the livecd gives me authentication failure
[09:29] <tutte> boys, you know if Breezy works ok?
[09:29] <phxguy> jbailey, does that help any?
[09:29] <jbailey> phxguy: Are you familiar with how to chroot?
[09:29] <phxguy> jbailey not really
[09:29] <phxguy> sorry
[09:29] <techii> which is kindof expeced ...
[09:30] <jbailey> phxguy: You need to become root, "sudo su -" is a reasonably good command.
[09:30] <phxguy> isn't just a command though
[09:30] <Tsingi> sudo passwd root worked
[09:30] <jbailey> phxguy: Then do "chroot /media/kubuntu"
[09:30] <jbailey> phxguy: Tell me when you're that far.
[09:31] <phxguy> jbailey,  ok did that
[09:31] <jbailey> phxguy: mount /proc; mount /sys
[09:32] <psychonate> I'm having my problem again
[09:32] <psychonate> Xorg is running very very slowly
[09:32] <alastair_> ubuntu has DVD support? dvd video that is
[09:32] <refuze2looze> stimpie: yeah, i was thinking of changing to Debian
[09:32] <AirWays> Nice
[09:32] <psychonate> Normally it runs fine, but after a long while it starts to run very very slowly.
[09:32] <psychonate> I don't know why.
[09:32] <AirWays> What was that?
[09:32] <phxguy> jbailey, it says /proc is already mounted
[09:33] <techii> alastair_: yes, without css decryption
[09:33] <psychonate> My CPU usage for Xorg is 86% right now
[09:33] <psychonate> steady
[09:33] <psychonate> I don't know what the problem is :(
[09:33] <techii> otherwise look at ubuntuguide.com
[09:33] <alastair_> ty
[09:33] <bensexson> why would dhcp just suddenly stop working for ethernet but static is fine?
[09:33] <psychonate> Anyone have any ideas?
[09:33] <jbailey> phxguy: thats fine.
[09:33] <Q_Continuum> That, everyone, was a netsplit :-)
[09:33] <psychonate> I'm tired of restarting X all the time to fix it.
[09:33] <Tsingi> techii I'm using the live cd to check out the installed libs before installing for real
[09:33] <phxguy> jbailey, mount /sys worked okay with no messages
[09:34] <jbailey> phxguy: wget ftp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/i/initrd-tools/initrd-tools_0.1.78ubuntu1_all.deb
[09:34] <psychonate> pretty soon I'm either gonna try to mess around with the versions or install a new distro
[09:34] <phxguy> jbailey did that
[09:35] <juanmals> Is the ubuntu live cd knoppix based?
[09:35] <jbailey> phxguy: dpkg -i initrd-tools*deb
[09:35] <dooglus> psychonate: have you tried closing down everything you can apart from the X server?
[09:35] <dooglus> get rid of the clock, all the system tray programs, terminals, and everything.
[09:35] <phxguy> jbailey can i copy paste that
[09:35] <dooglus> then 'strace' the naughty process into a file and see what it's doing
[09:35] <jbailey> phxguy: If you'd like.
[09:35] <psychonate> strace eh
[09:35] <psychonate> I'll try it quick
[09:36] <alastair_> this is a fantastic system
[09:36] <phxguy> jbailey says reading database
[09:36] <phxguy> upacking
[09:36] <phxguy> setting up.....
[09:36] <psychonate> Well, I just closed bittornado and it helped a bit
[09:36] <dooglus> psychonate: I think that's what it's called - I've not tried it on ubuntu - I'm new here (48 hours new now)
[09:36] <phxguy> done back at a prompt
[09:36] <psychonate> dropped it down to about 50%, but it's still really slow
[09:36] <dooglus> aaah - bittorrent might be partially responsible...
[09:36] <psychonate> It's still very slow though
[09:36] <dooglus> it can make hundreds of connections - though why that affects the X server I can't imagine.
[09:37] <psychonate> yeah, I don't think that's it
[09:37] <psychonate> though it probably promotes the problem
[09:37] <phxguy> jbailey do I need to reconfigure now?
[09:38] <jbailey> phxguy: reconfigure?
[09:38] <jbailey> phxguy: At this point, just reinstall the kernel deb that you got.
[09:38] <phxguy> jbailey whats next/
[09:38] <phxguy> jbailey sorry im pretty much still a noob at this
[09:38] <njs12345> hello everyone
[09:38] <psychonate> ok brb
[09:39] <phxguy> how would I reinstall the kernal
[09:39] <njs12345> I'm installing ubuntu on a laptop currently
[09:39] <jbailey> phxguy: I don't know what version and such you installed, but if you reinstall it pretty much how you installed it before, it should work.
[09:39] <CarlK> frothing_nub - what was your ntfs line?
[09:39] <njs12345> which has a 40gb ntfs partition
[09:39] <phxguy> Im using 2.6.10.-5-686
[09:39] <njs12345> is the NTFS resizer meant to show a progress bar or anything
[09:39] <phxguy> and -383
[09:40] <phxguy> I installed the 686 kernal from synaptic
[09:40] <imaek> os
[09:40] <rg58sma> hi someone knows hot to compile xwGTK
[09:40] <rg58sma> 2.6.0
[09:40] <imaek> I need to know weather Ubuntu 5.04 is Linux 2.4, Linux 2.6, or something else.
[09:40] <imaek> How can I check?
[09:40] <rg58sma> how
[09:40] <jbailey> phxguy: You can call mkinitrd by hand "mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd,img-${VERSION} ${VERSION}", replacing the variables with the exact version strings.
[09:41] <jbailey> imaek: Ubuntu has been 2.6 only right from the beginning.
[09:41] <imaek> Alright, thanks jbailey.
[09:41] <phxguy> jbailey where can i find the exact version string? would that be in my grub.lst ???
[09:42] <hypa7ia> jbailey, isn't uname -a a little easier? :-)
[09:43] <jbailey> hypa7ia: He's not running the kernel right now, the system is unbootable.
[09:43] <hypa7ia> oh, darn.
[09:43] <rickard> I can browse another computer's files via nautilus and ssh... can I somehow mound this ssh connection to my file tree?
[09:43] <rg58sma> hi someone knows how to compile xwGTK?????
[09:43] <phxguy> jbailey any ideas on how i would find the exact version?
[09:43] <jbailey> hypa7ia: Otherwise I have people do $(uname -r) =)
[09:44] <jbailey> phxguy: Look in the /lib/modules directory
[09:44] <jbailey> phxguy: The directories are named after the version numbers that you want.
[09:44] <hypa7ia> jbailey, ahh, much more precise :-)
[09:44] <hypa7ia> rg58sma, what's that?
[09:44] <hypa7ia> rg58sma, and isn't there a package forit?
[09:44] <HappyFool> wxGTK -- GTK implementation of wxWidgets, i think
[09:44] <DefHandz> I am trying to install GNUnet 0.6.6 and ./configure says that it cant find an acceptable C compiler
[09:45] <HappyFool> DefHandz: apt-get install build-essential   (or use synaptic)
[09:45] <phxguy> jbailey i have 2 folders named 2.6.10-5-386 and 2.6.10-5-686
[09:45] <hybrid_goth> hello all
[09:45] <hypa7ia> rg58sma, sudo apt-get install libwxgtk2.4
[09:45] <hypa7ia> or
[09:46] <hypa7ia> sudo apt-get install libwxgtk2.5.3
[09:46] <alastair_> How can I update firefox to 1.0.3 without downloading manually, using apt-get? Or isn't the 1.0.3 build ready yet?
[09:46] <jbailey> phxguy: I can't guess for you which one you want to fix...
[09:46] <hybrid_goth> i have a laptop and XFCE and want to use the lan but i have never used it how do i go about setting it up
[09:46] <jbailey> phxguy: You could do it once for each if you'd like.
[09:46] <arkainium> anyone know why I'm able to play shound from hw:0,0 but now hw:1,0?  this is a mutliple sound card system, both modules are loaded.
[09:46] <phxguy> jbailey so if i understand i would type mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-686 ???
[09:47] <HappyFool> alastair_: the security fixes for firefox have been back-patched, afaik. i'm not sure if it's up to 1.0.4 equivalent or 1.0.3
[09:47] <chillywilly> jbailey: isn't it against the law or something for DDs to be in here ;)
[09:47] <arkainium> s/now/not
[09:47] <petey> im having a weird problem that just started...when i boot into ubuntu sometimes the background never comes up and when i try to open the file browser it never starts...it just happened and so i rebooted my computer a few times and now its working fine again
[09:48] <jbailey> phxguy: mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-686 2.6.10-5-686
[09:48] <phxguy> jbailey does it matter that those folders are located in /media/kubuntu/...
[09:48] <psychonate> I'm fairly sure it's an Xorg problem
[09:48] <HappyFool> alastair_: more here if you're interested: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2005-May/thread.html
[09:48] <jbailey> phxguy: You chrooted right?
[09:48] <phxguy> yes i believe so
[09:48] <dooglus> alastair_: why do you want firefox 1.0.3?
[09:48] <hypa7ia> hybrid_goth, is the driver for the lan card loaded or do you just not have it configged?
[09:48] <phxguy> jbailey how can i make sure?
[09:48] <psychonate> With nothing running in X but XFCE, the CPU usage was 50%
[09:49] <dooglus> psychonate: I tried running "strace" on my X server process.
[09:49] <alastair_> psychonate, you probably have transparency enabled, it can be quite cpu intensive
[09:49] <psychonate> After restarting X, the CPU usage with aterm and xchat running is 5%
[09:49] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia: idk it is an ibook g3
[09:49] <tyler_> How can I force a module to be loaded from the initrd?
[09:49] <dooglus> psychonate: I somewhat stupidly didn't redirect the output, but let it go to a terminal window.
[09:49] <psychonate> alastair_, well, the thing is it doesn't always run like this. It normally runs fine and then *POOF* it runs like crap
[09:49] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia the wifi works but when i plug in the lan i dont get a thing...
[09:49] <dooglus> psychonate: each character it output created more trace output, and it caused the hardest crash I've seen so far.  I had to pull the plug.
[09:50] <hypa7ia> hybrid_goth, are you running hoary or warty?
[09:50] <phxguy> ok im gonna try it cross yur fingures
[09:50] <psychonate> lol oh man
[09:50] <hypa7ia> good luck phxguy
[09:50] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia hoary
[09:50] <psychonate> dooglus, I did 'strace Xorg,' but I didn't know what to do with the output
[09:50] <WldRbit> How do I enable java in firefox?
[09:50] <alastair_> look for a load of select and timeouts
[09:51] <phxguy> should i have gotten any messages? Im already back at a blinking cursor?
[09:51] <psychonate> I couldn't get it in a text file
[09:51] <psychonate> alastair_, Talking to me?
[09:51] <chez> can some1 help me out - I need to change PATH for all users whenh the machine boots up?
[09:51] <alastair_> yeh
[09:51] <hypa7ia> WldRbit, do you have it installed?
[09:51] <psychonate> where am I looking at for these?
[09:51] <mpq> I've switched to dvorak
[09:51] <Tsingi> cool, the mahjongg tile set uses svg
[09:51] <psychonate> I don't understand why it happens though
[09:52] <hypa7ia> hybrid_goth, system -> admin -> networking... try there.  if it does not show up there you need to install the drivers.
[09:52] <psychonate> X will be running just fine, and then after a while it just starts running really slowly
[09:52] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia in XFCE?
[09:52] <mpq> I'm still not sure why
[09:52] <phxguy> well im gonna try to restart and see what happens now..... wish me luck
[09:52] <hypa7ia> oh yeah
[09:52] <WldRbit> hypa7ia, yeah I think so
[09:52] <WldRbit> java-common
[09:52] <HappyFool> chez: you *might* have luck looking in /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf for the 'DefaultPath' property
[09:52] <jbailey> chillywilly: Lagging a bit, sorry. =)
[09:52] <hypa7ia> hybrid_goth, from commandline sudo network-admin
[09:53] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia ok ty
[09:53] <psychonate> alastair_, where can I look for these select and timeouts?
[09:53] <chez> I will try that happyfool - I tryed changing bash_prfile like you can on most distros but no dice
[09:53] <chillywilly> jbailey: you never answered my question ;)
[09:53] <hypa7ia> WldRbit, well, make sure it's installed: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java ... and restart firefox.
[09:53] <teleyinex> someon uses muine
[09:53] <Lafitte-> anyone here get acpi hotkeys working for laptops     i have asus m5n  and want the touchpad on and off working   and wireless on and off working
[09:53] <chez> that ould only do one user though
[09:53] <teleyinex> cause i cant compile ruffle plugin
[09:53] <hypa7ia> Lafitte-, check out http://m6n.ath.cx
[09:53] <HappyFool> chez: yeah, i don't think bash is invoked anywhere in the GUI login process, nor /etc/profile
[09:54] <hypa7ia> Lafitte-, there are scripts there for the m6n which should be quite adaptable
[09:54] <HappyFool> chez: actually i did some googling for this a week or so ago and I couldn't find a good solution
[09:55] <chez> really, what if I just wanted to do it for one user - or how can I get any other scripts to invoke automatically on start up
[09:55] <tyler_> How can I force a module to be loaded from the initrd? It isn't detecting my IDE module for some reason (via82cxxx)
[09:56] <dooglus> chez: did you try editing /etc/profile?
[09:56] <Lafitte-> hypa7ia,  thanks    ill check them out : )
[09:57] <HappyFool> chez: if you only want PATH set for command-line shells, it's fairly easy
[09:57] <chez> dooglus - no i didn't
[09:57] <HappyFool> chez: then you can edit ~/.bashrc
[09:57] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia network-admin not found
[09:58] <ubuntu_> hello, is any method to configure gnome desktop icons smaller and compacter between columns & rows?
[09:58] <chez> yeah I just want the path setting for the console
[09:58] <hypa7ia> hybrid_goth, give me a sec
[09:58] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia ok
[09:58] <JairunCaloth> how hard is it to setup a printer?
[09:58] <hypa7ia> hybrid_goth, does the interface show up when you do sudo ifconfig ?
[09:58] <hypa7ia> JairunCaloth, depends a lot on the printer
[09:58] <HappyFool> chez: ah. sorry, i thought you wanted it for the desktop
[09:59] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia when i ifconfig i get data no gui
[09:59] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia it just runs in the terminal
[09:59] <hypa7ia> hybrid_goth, yes.  how many interfaces are there, and what are the names?  usually eth0, eth1, lo
[09:59] <Lafitte-> hypa7ia,  i dont see any scripts there.......you mind checkng for me  make sure  is the page you meant ?
[09:59] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia i have only xfce no gnome
[09:59] <HappyFool> chez: then ~/.bashrc or /etc/bash.bashrc are what you want
[09:59] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia only eth1 and lo
[10:00] <HappyFool> chez: check out the bash man-page: 'man bash' in a shell
[10:00] <hypa7ia> Lafitte-, sorry, should have pointed you here: http://m6n.ath.cx/forum/index.php
[10:00] <hypa7ia> hybrid_goth, the drivers for your lan card aren't installed, then
[10:00] <chez> thanks HF - will give those a go
[10:00] <hypa7ia> oh wait
[10:01] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia ok ty
[10:01] <hybrid_goth> much
[10:01] <Lafitte-> hypa7ia,  yeah i found that  and went into the acpi questions ........its there i find no scripts        hehehe
[10:01] <hypa7ia> hybrid_goth, do sudo ifconfig -a
[10:01] <hypa7ia> the -a means "show interfaces not in use"
[10:02] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia ok
[10:02] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia : eth0 eth 1 lo and sit0
[10:02] <phxguy> YEAH!!!!!! IT WORKED...... sorry bout the caps but im happy
[10:03] <phxguy> Thanks for all your help jbailey and everyone else involded!!!
[10:03] <hypa7ia> hybrid_goth, sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[10:03] <DefHandz> Ok, who just helped me a moment ago?
[10:03] <DefHandz> O_o
[10:03] <jbailey> phxguy: It's all working now?
[10:03] <phxguy> yes it is... im in my normal desktop now and everything seems okay
[10:04] <phxguy> as far as I can tell anyways
[10:04] <jbailey> phxguy: Cool.  You really want to avoid anything from breezy for at least a couple more weeks. =)
[10:04] <phxguy> jbailey as you saw that line for breezy was commented out.... dont know what happened...
[10:04] <DefHandz> sudo apt-get install build-essential I just typed this in Konsole and it installed something...but I don't know where it is. I'm trying to install GNUnet.
[10:05] <phxguy> the kernals were listed in backports(upgradeable) Thats where i got them from
[10:05] <HappyFool> DefHandz: you should have gcc and make now
[10:05] <DefHandz> Hm...
[10:05] <DefHandz> Well, that didn't work.
[10:05] <DefHandz> O_o
[10:05] <DefHandz> Waaaiiit
[10:05] <DefHandz> ONe moment.
[10:05] <_kevin> what is a free program to run windows inside linux
[10:06] <Tallia1> ......boh
[10:06] <chez> cygwin
[10:06] <phxguy> _kevin: thats the million dollar question
[10:06] <_kevin> some one told me qemu but i don't think it is for runnin windows inside linux
[10:06] <HappyFool> chez: no, cygwin lets you have a linuxish environment on windows
[10:06] <chez> whoops wrong way round
[10:06] <chez> lol
[10:06] <vince_> does anyone know how to make gphoto2 recognize olympus stylus 300 digital camera? thanks!
[10:06] <toxicfume> whenever i boot ubuntu on my laptop, I get a message saying something like "PnPBIOS caused a fatal error, get new firmware...etc"
[10:06] <toxicfume> how do i fix that?
[10:06] <_kevin> i wanna run a light weight windows 98se on my ubuntu
[10:07] <_kevin> within a window
[10:07] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia : eth0 eth 1 lo and sit0 from ifconfig -a
[10:07] <dooglus> chez: it's a good question...  how DOES the PATH get set?  it isn't /etc/profile, and I can't find where it is...
[10:07] <HappyFool> dooglus: it's a bit of a mess
[10:07] <chez> HAppyFooll  told me a couple of places above
[10:07] <chez> gonna give em a go
[10:07] <HappyFool> dooglus: take a look in /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf, i think it might be there (for gdm, anyway)
[10:07] <DefHandz> THANKS :
[10:07] <DefHandz> Its working
[10:07] <DefHandz> :)
[10:07] <DefHandz> :)
[10:08] <dooglus> top banana HappyFool, you're right.  it's these 2 lines in gdm.conf:
[10:08] <dooglus> # Default path to set.  The profile scripts will likely override this
[10:08] <dooglus> DefaultPath=/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[10:08] <hypa7ia> hybrid_goth, did you try sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[10:08] <dooglus> (the profile scripts don't override that)
[10:09] <phxguy> well im outta here... again thanks for all your help jbailey hope you/they find where this problem i was having is coming from
[10:09] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia nope i dont have it connected
[10:09] <jbailey> phxguy: Np. =)
[10:09] <hypa7ia> oh, well, that should work
[10:09] <hybrid_goth> brb ill try that
[10:09] <hypa7ia> i think eth0 is your lan
[10:10] <Rev_Fry> Ello.  So... the problem I was having earlier with hanging and all... Well.. I'm noticing that I'll try and start an app.. like Firefox or system monitor and it will pop the wait cursor and it shows "Starting Firefox" in the bottom toolbar.. but then it never does.. if I look in top I can see the processes though.
[10:11] <dooglus> HappyFool: except - I don't think you were quite right.  it's not /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf, it's /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[10:11] <nickrud> dooglus, you can set a path in ~/.gnomerc
[10:11] <dooglus> chez: I think that's what you want to edit.
[10:11] <DefHandz> checking for libgcrypt... checking for libgcrypt-config... no
[10:11] <DefHandz> checking for LIBGCRYPT - version >= 1.2.0... no
[10:11] <DefHandz> checking for RSA_generate_key in -lcrypto... no
[10:11] <DefHandz> configure: error: GNUnet needs libgcrypt or OpenSSL
[10:11] <DefHandz> Got that error now -_-
[10:11] <dooglus> nickrud: chez wanted to set PATH for all users
[10:11] <dooglus> nickrud: without editing multiple files
[10:11] <nickrud> dum
[10:11] <nickrud> me
[10:12] <HappyFool> dooglus: fair enough. the first is a symlink to the second on my (bog-standard) system
[10:12] <dooglus> HappyFool: not on my (2 day old) Hedgehog system
[10:12] <vince_> does anyone know of a linux version of picasa or other photo extraction tool?
[10:12] <DefHandz> HappyFool- What shall I do now X_X
[10:12] <toxicfume> how do i edit the xorg.conf file in the terminal(console)....whats the command?
[10:12] <HappyFool> dooglus: hrm. *shrug*
[10:12] <alastair_> how should I get xfce?
[10:12] <alastair_> apt-get or xfce.org?
[10:13] <DefHandz> Very carefully...
[10:13] <DefHandz> ;)
[10:13] <bur[n] er_> apt-get from os-works repos
[10:13] <Lafitte-> does anyone know the command to send to disable the touchpad on a laptop   and enable it again ?
[10:13] <HappyFool> DefHandz: try 'sudo apt-get install ssl-dev'
[10:13] <ubuntu_> hello, how to let thythmbox  show UTF8 ID3 TAG of mp3 files?
[10:13] <bur[n] er_> or... ubuntu universe has the 4.2 debs
[10:13] <toxicfume> how do i edit the xorg.conf file in the terminal(console)....whats the command?
[10:13] <stimpie> toxicfume, gedit (GUI editor) or nano
[10:13] <ubuntu_> s/ thythmbox/rhythmbox
[10:13] <HappyFool> DefHandz: gnunet is already available via synaptic
[10:13] <DefHandz> Ohh
[10:13] <DefHandz> Er..
[10:13] <HappyFool> are you sure you need to compile it?
[10:13] <DefHandz> Kynaptic here
[10:13] <dooglus> HappyFool: I keep making mistakes.  It is a symlink.  You're right.
[10:13] <dooglus> /etc/X11/gdm is a symlink to ../gdm
[10:14] <bur[n] er_> toxicfume: nano
[10:14] <DefHandz> Happy Fool I have no idea how to use kynaptic
[10:14] <DefHandz> -_-
[10:14] <HappyFool> DefHandz: hrm
[10:14] <toxicfume> ok thankd :)
[10:14] <HappyFool> i meant, via apt-get or whatever
[10:14] <bur[n] er_> toxicfume: nano == text editor... similar to notepad, but in a term :)
[10:14] <Rev_Fry> nano is like pico... but licensed differently
[10:14] <HappyFool> DefHandz: it's in the 'universe' section of the ubuntu repository
[10:15] <DefHandz> Ok
[10:15] <Rev_Fry> So anyone have any idea why I'm trying to start apps and they're not starting... though processes show in top?
[10:15] <HappyFool> DefHandz: go read on the wiki about how to change your repository settings. it's not hard
[10:15] <HappyFool> DefHandz: and I'm fairly sure it'll be easier than trying to install all the build dependencies of this app
[10:16] <DefHandz> Should I do it manually or Kynaptic?
[10:16] <HappyFool> Rev_Fry: you running breezy by any chance?
[10:16] <DefHandz> I know how to edit my repositories.
[10:16] <HappyFool> DefHandz: whatever takes your fancy
[10:16] <hypa7ia> Lafitte-, try this :-) http://m6n.ath.cx/forum/viewtopic.php?t=208
[10:16] <DefHandz> X_X
[10:16] <DefHandz> Alright, where can I find it in Kynaptic
[10:16] <HappyFool> a 'sudo apt-get install gnunet' might work, if you've already added universe
[10:16] <DefHandz> Under what
[10:16] <DefHandz> I havn't..
[10:16] <phxguy> oh no Im back
[10:16] <DefHandz> I don't know HOW to add the universe.
[10:16] <dooglus> is it easy to 'mount' an smb share (a windows share) so that regular unix commands can work on the files that are shared?
[10:17] <mjr> dooglus, yes, smbmount
[10:17] <phxguy> can anyone help me with trying to take a screenshot of the login screen?
[10:17] <DefHandz> Like..what do I add to my repositories?
[10:17] <Rev_Fry> HappyFull.  the Hoary iso.  =/
[10:17] <Rev_Fry> er Happyfool rather
[10:17] <dooglus> mjr: thanks
[10:17] <phxguy> ive tried to use Xnest with no luck and i have tried the whole DISPLAY=0 thing with no luck
[10:17] <ed_> DefHandz, kubuntu?  have you looked at the docs?
[10:18] <DefHandz> ?
[10:18] <DefHandz> Ah
[10:18] <DefHandz> Yes
[10:18] <DefHandz> I know HOW to add them, but not WHAT to add.
[10:18] <DefHandz> Crap, I was saying install GNUnet
[10:18] <DefHandz> Not gnunet
[10:18] <DefHandz> THanks happy -_-
[10:18] <DefHandz> I HATE case sensitivity
[10:18] <imaek> Does anybody here know much about QEMU with the Accellerator Module?
[10:18] <HappyFool> heh
[10:19] <Lafitte-> anyone here use tpconfig ?
[10:19] <HappyFool> DefHandz: use 'apt-cache search' to search for apps. very useful.
[10:19] <HappyFool> Rev_Fry: ok, just a guess. sorry, i really don't know what could be wrong.
[10:19] <phxguy> Will KDM themes work GDM???
[10:19] <DefHandz> ah. wish I knew that -_-
[10:19] <Rev_Fry> Well, this is quite terrible.  I want to ditch WinBlows once and for all.. =/
[10:20] <Rev_Fry> What's all this about pci apci?
[10:20] <latis> is there any application similar to netlimiter for linux?
[10:20] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia i did ifconfig eth0 up and the i did ifconfig eth0 and it showed up but i still didnt have anything
[10:20] <martii> fabbione: so where can I find new kernel ?
[10:20] <latis> I share my connection with my girlfriend, and I want to be able to restrict both to the half capacity of my connection
[10:20] <DefHandz> X_X How do  i USE GNUnet now?
[10:20] <raa1> Hey, can anyone tell me if it is possible to convert .zip file to .tar.gz
[10:20] <DefHandz> Isnt it a P2P?
[10:20] <DefHandz> O_o
[10:21] <martii> latis: you must play with LART
[10:21] <latis> LART?
[10:21] <Rev_Fry> Reboot.. brb
[10:21] <hybrid_goth> raa1 extract the tar it
[10:21] <hybrid_goth> s/the/then
[10:21] <phxguy> raa1: its possible i do believe but im not sure how
[10:21] <hypa7ia> hybrid_goth, what do you mean you didn't have anything
[10:21] <ninnghizidha> so .. you wanna restrict your girlfriend? ;-)
[10:21] <hypa7ia> hybrid_goth, did you get an ip address?
[10:22] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia i open firefox and got nothing
[10:22] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia didnt look
[10:22] <DefHandz> Happy Fool  er...how do I run gnunet?
[10:22] <hybrid_goth> for the ip
[10:22] <latis> martii, lart?
[10:22] <Lafitte-> what utility can i use to manage a touchpad while X is loaded
[10:22] <HappyFool> DefHandz: not a clue
[10:22] <DefHandz> Isn't it a P2P downloading app?
[10:22] <DefHandz> O_o
[10:22] <martii> latis: sorry
[10:22] <DefHandz> Crap
[10:22] <raa1> I wasted lot of time on it already....the file contents are of FAT type and the embedded system I have doesn't have an unzip utility it has tar and gunzip though
[10:22] <DefHandz> Where would it install then X_X
[10:22] <hypa7ia> hybrid_goth, you need to do some reading, i think.  try "man ifconfig"
[10:22] <HappyFool> DefHandz: take a look in /usr/share/doc/gnunet*
[10:22] <DefHandz> Ah
[10:22] <martii> latis: lartc
[10:22] <HappyFool> DefHandz: try 'dpkg -L gnunet' to find files
[10:22] <ed_> ubuntu is the best distro i have ever used
[10:22] <martii> latis: http://lartc.org/
[10:23] <martii> latis: it has howto about traffic shaping
[10:23] <ed_> they have put debian together in such a nice way
[10:23] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia when i find the ip what do i do?
[10:23] <DefHandz> Hm.
[10:23] <martii> latis: http://lartc.org/wondershaper/ is also nice
[10:23] <mpq> okay, so I'm not ready for dvorak
[10:23] <mpq> I couldn't type my password because I didn't know where some of the letters in it were
[10:23] <phxguy> I will never be ready for dvorak keyboard
[10:24] <HappyFool> heh
[10:24] <ed_> it would be nice if everyone used them
[10:24] <mpq> I had to turn on another computer and check the dvorak layout on it
[10:24] <ed_> but it is too much of a hassle
[10:24] <HappyFool> is there a typing tutor for ubuntu? i think i saw some silly typing game in synaptic somewhere
[10:24] <hypa7ia> hybrid_goth, if you have an ip it should be working.
[10:24] <hypa7ia> hybrid_goth, can you ping stuff?
[10:24] <phxguy> mpq pop out the keys on your keyboard and rearrange them to fit the dvorak layout :)
[10:24] <ed_> HappyFool, gtypist
[10:24] <mpq> phxguy: it's a laptop
[10:24] <HappyFool> ed_: ta
[10:24] <mpq> it's not that easy
[10:24] <mpq> if it's even possible at all
[10:24] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia idk i got to plug it in from this comp. ill check and give you the results
[10:24] <hybrid_goth> brb
[10:25] <phxguy> mpq they should still pop out.... ive dont it before just have to b careful
[10:25] <mpq> I don't know how
[10:25] <mpq> how would I take out the keys?
[10:25] <phxguy> i used a small screwdriver like those kind for glasses and gently inserted it under each key and it lifted the key
[10:25] <mpq> uh huh
[10:26] <hypa7ia> you could use stickers too
[10:26] <mpq> yeah
[10:26] <mpq> but I don't have stickers
[10:26] <hypa7ia> or just scrape them all off.  that'll teach you to touch-type!
[10:26] <hypa7ia> :-)
[10:26] <HappyFool> mpq: there's an app call 'dvorak7min' in the universe. might help you.
[10:26] <mpq> heh
[10:26] <phxguy> sticker wear to easy and the glue makes the keys all sticky like you been typing one handed or something :) lol
[10:26] <hypa7ia> mpq, so make some?  label paper is cheap
[10:26] <HappyFool> "Also included are a pair of useful scripts to easily change between qwerty and dvorak layouts."
[10:26] <hypa7ia> ahh, true, phxguy
[10:26] <mpq> anyone heard of "das keyboard"?
[10:26] <mpq> I want it
[10:26] <hypa7ia> mpq, me too
[10:27] <mpq> that would be the ultimate keyboard
[10:27] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia no ip
[10:27] <phxguy> whats so special about it mpg
[10:27] <mpq> q
[10:27] <mpq> not g
[10:27] <phxguy> o sorry
[10:27] <mpq> it's a blank keyboard
[10:27] <hypa7ia> hybrid_goth, is it plugged into a home router or what?
[10:27] <mpq> and the keys are weighted by where they are
[10:28] <imaek> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[10:28] <mpq> I'm going to get one when I build a desktop
[10:28] <mpq> for games
[10:28] <phxguy> ah Ive seen those... or something similiar. its a blank keyboard and you can buy overlays which changes the keyboard.
[10:28] <phxguy> its mostly a gaming keyboard though
[10:28] <mpq> it's going to have great stuff
[10:28] <hybrid_goth> hypa7i inet addr: is what is says
[10:29] <mpq> das keyboard
[10:29] <mpq> and mx-1000
[10:29] <mpq> nad then there's the stuff in the computer
[10:29] <mpq> this is going to be awesome
[10:29] <phxguy> it folds up too i think
[10:29] <mpq> once I can afford it
[10:29] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia so if the ethernet is plugged in and i dont get an ip with ifconfig the i need the drivers?
[10:30] <kasim> hallo
[10:30] <hypa7ia> hybrid_goth, no, the drivers are there if eth0 is showing up
[10:30] <yahalom> is there such a thing as a monitor not being compatible with a newer motherboard?
[10:30] <Lafitte-> im reading a Ubuntu howto which tells me to edit XF86config-4   but i dont even have that file
[10:31] <hypa7ia> Lafitte-, it's xorg.conf now
[10:31] <yahalom> Lafitte-, so edit xorg.conf
[10:31] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia pk it does show up after the ifconfig
[10:31] <HappyFool> and hope that the howto isn't out of date in other ways ;)
[10:31] <yahalom> Lafitte-, make sure first that its not already set
[10:31] <Lafitte-> im trying to use a configoration toold for touchpad   any ideas ?
[10:31] <hypa7ia> hybrid_goth, pk == ?? please type crap out.
[10:32] <alastair_> Will using xfce.org packages work fine for installing with ubuntu?
[10:32] <Lafitte-> tpconfig says i have no synatics touchpas  but  xorg sees that
[10:32] <hypa7ia> Lafitte-, on an m5n?
[10:32] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia srry pk == ok
[10:32] <Lafitte-> hypa7ia,  yes
[10:32] <hypa7ia> Lafitte-, that should get autoconfigured
[10:32] <Lafitte-> hypa7ia,  i want to be able to disbale taps    or configure the drag    and all that stuff
[10:33] <kasim> hello
[10:33] <hypa7ia> Lafitte-,  ahh yes.  read your current config, should be pretty obvious
[10:33] <Lafitte-> hypa7ia,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticsTouchpadHowto    this is the readme
[10:33] <kasim>  iemand uit nederland
[10:33] <Lafitte-> hypa7ia,   im looking for a command to enable or disable the touchpad completly
[10:33] <hypa7ia> Lafitte-, have you looked at the config yet?
[10:33] <Lafitte-> but   havent had success
[10:34] <hypa7ia> oh
[10:34] <Lafitte-> hypa7ia,  YES
[10:34] <hypa7ia> Lafitte-, i think that's an acpi event.
[10:34] <Dutchy> kasim, just speak english -_- it's not that hard
[10:34] <kasim> why
[10:34] <hypa7ia> hybrid_goth, to be honest i'm not sure what else to tell you
[10:34] <Lafitte-> synclient TouchpadOff=1
[10:34] <hypa7ia> oh
[10:34] <ed_> it would be cool to be bilingual
[10:34] <Lafitte-> hypa7ia,  but    doesnt work     yet thats for a asus m6n
[10:35] <hypa7ia> hybrid_goth, try sudo ifconfig eth0 up THEN sudo dhclient eth0
[10:35] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia ok ty
[10:35] <hypa7ia> Lafitte-, hmm, then i don't know, sorry :-/
[10:35] <Lafitte-> hybrid_goth,    no sorry  hehhe  been trying for days now to fix few things      cant get any help
[10:35] <Lafitte-> hypa7ia,    seems  its just no tdone much
[10:36] <ninnghizidha> i am not afraid of the command line.
[10:36] <Rev_Fry> Where can I turn off ACPI?
[10:36] <hybrid_goth> Lafitte- ?
[10:36] <hybrid_goth> bbl
[10:36] <akx> qualcuno capisce l'italiano?
[10:36] <kasim> pronto
[10:36] <akx> ciao
[10:36] <akx> avrei bisogno di un'aiutino
[10:37] <kasim> asus ia bad motherboard
[10:37] <hypa7ia> Lafitte-, might ask on one of the mailing lists
[10:37] <MonoNoSaint> men, I'm in real trouble...
[10:37] <Lafitte-> hypa7ia,  yeah
[10:37] <akx> ho ubuntu 5.04 e non mi vengono riconosciute le periferiche usb
[10:37] <MonoNoSaint> ops... hi, first... ;-)
[10:37] <Lafitte-> hypa7ia,  the problem has been here for 2 years     makes no sence
[10:37] <nobile> haha
[10:38] <akx> credo sia un bug bios/ssm
[10:38] <hypa7ia> psst MonoNoSaint deapite appearances to the contrary, we're not all men.
[10:38] <hypa7ia> Lafitte-, boo :-(
[10:38] <MonoNoSaint> ;-) I installed Ubuntu on a windows 98 machine. I already edited lilo.conf adding a windows entry like I used to do...
[10:38] <MonoNoSaint> ran 'lilo' and - surprise! No windows on boot screen...
[10:38] <MonoNoSaint> I'm really curious
[10:38] <MonoNoSaint> hupa8: sorry, lady... ;-)
[10:38] <akx> qualcuno ne s qualcosa?
[10:39] <MonoNoSaint> hypa7: sorry lady... ;-)
[10:39] <MonoNoSaint> any clues?
[10:39] <Nicro> hi
[10:40] <hypa7ia> MonoNoSaint, can you paste lilo.conf to pastebin.ca
[10:40] <MonoNoSaint> I'll just do it... one sec...
[10:42] <Smash> so, breezy-warning still current
[10:42] <hans_> i cant watch video files on fullscreec in mplayer...whats wrong?
[10:43] <MonoNoSaint> hypa: hey, I just noticed something, how stupid I am....
[10:43] <pfp> hmm, this is not the place to ask, but can you recommend an sftp client for windows?
[10:43] <MonoNoSaint> the lines delay and timeout are commented...
[10:43] <akx> non c nessuno che capisce l'italiano?
[10:43] <MonoNoSaint> that's probably why it isn't asking me first...
[10:43] <ed_> pfp, filezilla
[10:44] <hypa7ia> MonoNoSaint, that might help :-)
[10:44] <pfp> thanx ed
[10:44] <ed_> pfp, it does everything and is open source to boot
[10:44] <Smash> i just wrote down breezy repo lines into apt.sources, dist-upgraded and nothing special happened
[10:44] <Lafitte-> if i install xserver-xfree86  will it break my X in Ubuntu ?
[10:44] <Smash> except whole system that entirely crashed :)
[10:44] <hypa7ia> Lafitte-, don't do it.... it will pretty hideously break things
[10:44] <Smash> although, it wasnt clever one for me :p
[10:45] <_kevin> how do i see my comp ip?
[10:45] <_kevin> that's assigned byt eh router
[10:45] <Lafitte-> hypa7ia,   k    i figured
[10:45] <pfp> ed_: hmm, does it do sftp too?
[10:45] <Lafitte-> hypa7ia, im out fo luck i guess
[10:45] <hypa7ia> Lafitte-, try the email  lists, try bugreporting
[10:46] <pfp> ach, does, found already
[10:46] <ed_> pfp, yep
[10:46] <MonoNoSaint> hypa: I'm rebooting now the machine... hope it helps...
[10:47] <hypa7ia> good luck MonoNoSaint
[10:47] <Smash> but beyond topic, what is the biggest threat in daily breezy-install image, did somebody here noticed particularly ?
[10:47] <kasim> delgul
[10:48] <hybrid_goth> anyone here running ubuntu on an iBook
[10:48] <kasim> why
[10:48] <kasim> ibook is not good for ubuntu
[10:48] <hybrid_goth> kasim wtf are you on
[10:49] <andrewski> i just did an expert install and the user i added was not added to /etc/sudoers; is this a bug?
[10:49] <kasim> why
[10:49] <hybrid_goth> kasim what wrong with ibook ubuntu
[10:49] <we2by> andrewski, I don't think it is a bug.
[10:49] <hybrid_goth> s/what/whats
[10:49] <Lafitte-> hypa7ia,  seems not only is this broken   but in Ubuntu the option to correct it is gone
[10:49] <andrewski> we2by: do you know why it doesn't happen like it does on a default install?
[10:49] <alastair_> ubuntu includes glib right?
[10:50] <we2by> andrewski, since you'r an expert, you can add it yourself anyway
[10:50] <we2by> ;)
[10:50] <andrewski> we2by: true, but i was expecting it to be there. :P
[10:50] <kasim> the ibook is not good for ubuntu its wery slow
[10:50] <kasim> for xp its good
[10:50] <_kevin> how do i find my computres ip, which is assigned to it by my router
[10:50] <kasim> not for ubuntu
[10:50] <_kevin> i need to so I can forward certain portx
[10:50] <andrewski> _kevin: ipconfig
[10:51] <andrewski> _kevin, O_o ifconfig!
[10:51] <_kevin> in terminal?
[10:51] <andrewski> _kevin: yup.
[10:51] <_kevin> thanks
[10:52] <alastair_> I'm having problems building from source xfce, doesn't ubuntu include pkg-config?
[10:52] <Lafitte-> ipconfig    grin
[10:52] <andrewski> Lafitte-: laugh it up, fuzzball.
[10:52] <andrewski> we2by: so no idea why it does that?
[10:52] <Lafitte-> andrewski,  fuzzball ?
[10:52] <_kevin> ipconfig is win
[10:52] <andrewski> Lafitte-: a line from empire strikes back.
[10:52] <Lafitte-> andrewski,  i grinned   not laugh
[10:52] <andrewski> _kevin: yes, i know. :P
[10:52] <Lafitte-> andrewski,  oh  hehe
[10:53] <andrewski> Lafitte-: in star wars, chewy didn't even grin. ^_^
[10:53] <sylvan> I'm installing a program which needs the kernel headers so I must specify where the kernel source resides, where is this?
[10:53] <kasim> sylvan
[10:53] <_kevin> i didn't watch it yet
[10:53] <Lafitte-> andrewski,   funny thing   i watched empire stikes back last night     i didnt remember that one
[10:53] <_kevin> so no talkin about it
[10:53] <kasim> where are you from
[10:53] <andrewski> we2by: it did ask me to set a root password (which i did manually on the default install), so maybe the 'expert' install assumes you don't want to use sudo?
[10:53] <hybrid_goth> alastair_ do you know much of xfce?
[10:53] <sylvan> ?
[10:54] <alastair_> hybrid_goth, yes.
[10:54] <darkaudit> _kevin: I'm willing to bet that movie is older than you... :)
[10:54] <we2by> andrewski, I think the expert mode asume you know what you'r knowing.
[10:54] <andrewski> Lafitte-: in the control room after han rescues luke...
[10:54] <we2by> doing*
[10:54] <_kevin> i'm talkin about the new one
[10:54] <_kevin> star wars 3
[10:54] <andrewski> we2by: yes, but i thought ubuntu'ers touted the sudo as being the way to go in general, not just for newbs. :P
[10:54] <we2by> SW3 is a good movie
[10:54] <_kevin> and yes I'm young
[10:54] <_kevin> still a teen
[10:54] <hybrid_goth> alastair_ how can i set up a lan connection in xfce
[10:54] <Lafitte-> aww
[10:54] <we2by> but the IV V and VI suck!
[10:54] <alastair_> you can't
[10:54] <dockane> OT : "In for a penny, in for a pound" ... could somebody please explain what that means ?
[10:55] <alastair_> hybrid_goth, how did you get xfce?
[10:55] <we2by> lol andrewski
[10:55] <darkaudit> we2by: blasphemer! :)
[10:55] <andrewski> we2by: not trying to argue, though; just pointing out. ^_^
[10:55] <Lafitte-> andrewski,   andrewski    oh   i watched return of the jedi  is why    grin
[10:55] <ed_> we2by, i agree, i think it is one of the best
[10:55] <hybrid_goth> alastair_ apt-get install xfce4
[10:55] <andrewski> lol
[10:55] <we2by> seriously
[10:55] <we2by> those I mention are very old movies
[10:55] <alastair_> which version did you receive?
[10:55] <we2by> they released those before I II and III I think
[10:55] <hybrid_goth> alastair_ $
[10:55] <MonoNoSaint> hypa: thank you, lady, I love you! He he he. I'm already at windows 98. Now let's see if I can convince my friends to change to a better ubuntu place... he he he
[10:56] <hybrid_goth> s/$4/g
[10:56] <hybrid_goth> s/$/4/g
[10:56] <darkaudit> refreshments are now being served on the #ubuntux deck for all our XFCE passengers :)
[10:56] <ed_> the old light saber fights are funny to watch after seeing the new ones
[10:56] <hybrid_goth> darkaudit heh
[10:56] <ed_> you can see how far they came
[10:58] <eva_> hm, I'm trying to save my screen resolution here on ubuntu breezy
[10:58] <eva_> but it always gets lost when I logout
[10:58] <eva_> any suggestions?
[10:58] <_kevin> any one know whats the best cover song for a nirvana song
[10:58] <andrewski> eva_: set your default in xorg.conf or use 'screen resolution' in gnome.
[10:58] <_kevin> like theres Tori Amos - smells like teen spirit which sucks
[10:59] <mpq> great
[10:59] <mpq> I popped one of the keys out of the keyboard
[10:59] <mpq> and I can't get it back in
[10:59] <_kevin> use the force
[10:59] <Marble2> What's the best program the raw wav files from a cd?
[10:59] <ed_> mpq, i hate that
[10:59] <eva_> andrewski, I wasn't telling the whole truth
[10:59] <eva_> I'm running a thin client here
[10:59] <mpq> I hope I don't have to use J much
[10:59] <Marble2> there's EAC in windows... is there a good linux alternative?
[11:00] <eva_> that only has 800x600 capabilities
[11:00] <mpq> m
[11:00] <andrewski> eva_: so what's to change?
[11:00] <mpq> oops
[11:00] <eva_> it worked before by just changing my default resolution in gnome
[11:00] <pfp> Marble2: cdparanoia, or any program using the libparanoiasomething
[11:00] <eva_> it works within one session
[11:00] <andrewski> eva_: ok, did you tick the box 'make default'?
[11:00] <Marble2> thanks
[11:01] <pfp> Marble2: asunder is handy if you need graphical i
[11:01] <mpq> I can't get the key back in
[11:01] <pfp> *ui
[11:01] <eva_> I think so, will double check
[11:01] <andrewski> Marble2: grip or kaudiocreator can do it too; they're good.
[11:01] <eva_> if this works( doubt it, but still): big thanks
[11:01] <eva_> otherwise, I'll be back :)
[11:01] <andrewski> eva_: if not, set it in xorg.conf!
[11:02] <eva_> andrewski, hm, you're right, I could do it
[11:02] <eva_> but I'd have to make a separate config for just one client
[11:02] <djtansey> can someone help me downgrade breezy's libc6 to hoary's? i'm getting this error. /bin/sh: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3.4' not found (required by /bin/sh)
[11:02] <djtansey> dpkg: warning - old post-removal script returned error exit status 1
[11:02] <eva_> would be the more complex solution...
[11:02] <eva_> but thx for the suggestion!
[11:02] <djtansey> i have libc 2.3.5 installed.
[11:02] <eva_> bye
[11:02] <dooglus> so i decided to learn dvorak...  it's tough going at first!
[11:02] <iceman> anyone have a suggestion of a good linux starter distro ..
[11:02] <andrewski> eva_: just one line...
[11:02] <andrewski> dooglus: keep it up; it's worth it.
[11:02] <djtansey> iceman: ubuntu
[11:03] <iceman> got ubuntu ... but how to get video to a better quality ..
[11:03] <iceman> 5.4 ans 5.10
[11:03] <djtansey> iceman: what hw do you have? and do you mean higher resolution?
[11:03] <dooglus> andrewski, I've learnt and practiced O,E,U and H,T,N so far...  only 20 more letters to go, eh?
[11:03] <andrewski> dooglus: lol
[11:03] <iceman> 5.4 installed ok.  but video was low res ... cant see stupid screen to click to do anything
[11:04] <andrewski> dooglus: just sit down and type a lot of emails, curse a lot, repeat for a few days....
[11:04] <djtansey> iceman: what hardware do you have?
[11:04] <andrewski> dooglus: only when you can touch type should you carry on IRC/IM conversations (for your sanity's sake) :P
[11:04] <iceman> i got a 640 x 480 resolution
[11:04] <iceman> no options to tweek it ..
[11:04] <andrewski> iceman: xorg.conf
[11:04] <dooglus> lesson 5 goes on and on and on...  (I'm using the dvorak7min program to learn)
[11:05] <iceman> and new to command line ..
[11:05] <alastair_> apt-cache search xfce shows nothing, any ideas?
[11:05] <andrewski> dooglus: ooh, really.  on linux?
[11:05] <andrewski> alastair_: universe enabled?
[11:05] <dooglus> andrewski: yeah.  "apt-get install dvorak7min"
[11:05] <alastair_> how do I do that?
[11:05] <andrewski> alastair_: ubuntuguide.org
[11:05] <djtansey> iceman: what me means by xorg.conf is you can edit the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf  by typing "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" on the command line
[11:05] <dooglus> I hoped that 7 min might be a reference to how long it would take to learn - but no...
[11:05] <andrewski> dooglus: hmm, interesting.  don't really need it now, but thanks. :)
[11:05] <andrewski> lol
[11:05] <mpq> this is ridiculous
[11:05] <mpq> I can't get the key back in
[11:06] <YourSQL> Halloo
[11:06] <djtansey> iceman: scroll down until you find section "screen"
[11:06] <andrewski> iceman: gnome has a screen resolution applet too. :)
[11:06] <dooglus> andrewski: HappyFool mentioned it just half an hour ago here.
[11:06] <YourSQL> How be you ubuntuisnts :)
[11:06] <andrewski> dooglus: and now you started learning?
[11:06] <hans_> when i start mplayer an error message flashes: New_Face failed. maybe the font path is wrong"
[11:06] <iceman> cant see lower ea of screen ... resolutions that sucky ...
[11:07] <mpq> it won't go back in
[11:07] <mpq> this is pathetic
[11:07] <djtansey> iceman: you can't scroll around? it's been a long time since i had your problem, but i could go to the edge of the scren and it would scroll around
[11:07] <andrewski> eva_: ?
[11:07] <eva_> andrewski, do you know if there's a place gnome(-session) stores this resolution information per user?
[11:07] <andrewski> eva_: dunno.
[11:07] <iceman> wont let me ..
[11:08] <iceman> p4 2.8 .. azza mb ... nvidia 4000 video card ...
[11:08] <djtansey> iceman: well --then back to the ocmmand line. did you open that file? or do you not hae access to the computer right now?
[11:08] <oscarh> hi, i have a rather broken cups. can someone help me?
[11:08] <eva_> it seemed to somewhat half-remember: the bottom panel at least knew it should have been 600 wide
[11:09] <eva_> but the resolution for the entire screen was still 1280x960
[11:09] <eva_> :(
[11:09] <iceman> on my old windows hdd .. nice to have 2x harddrives
[11:09] <djtansey> iceman: so you have to reboot to try this?
[11:10] <iceman> cant get chat to start in linux .. cant click the buttons
[11:10] <mpq> well I figured out how the key goes in
[11:10] <iceman> there on bottom of screen where i cant see
[11:10] <mpq> but I don't think I can put it back
[11:10] <linuxamoeba21> hey im trying to install ATI's proprietary driver for my vid card, but they only offer it in RPM. any ideas?
[11:11] <djtansey> iceman: just so you know, ubuntu runs gnome by default. it is like the old mac interface, not like window's start button. it says "applications" in the upper left corner.
[11:11] <nickrud> eva, it's under /desktop/gnome/screen/default/
[11:11] <nickrud> eva_, gconf-editor
[11:11] <finn> eva_, if you  right click on the bottom panel then select properties, and tick the 'Expand' box it'll fill up the whole bottom of the screen
[11:12] <iceman> i can start the chat .. butcant get to the start button in the lower area of the screen ...
[11:12] <finn> otherwise it just sits in the middle and doesn't fil lthe whole lto
[11:12] <yahalom> anyway i can get the app menu in gnome by right clicking?
[11:12] <djtansey> andrewski -- where is the resolution applet?
[11:13] <iceman> i can install a old version of ubuntu .. it starts and runs ok .. just cant update ...
[11:13] <iceman> want kde ...
[11:13] <mpq> I don't think it's possible to get the key back in
[11:13] <iceman> i like the nvidia easy of install in ubuntu
[11:14] <djtansey> iceman: ah. and you tried install kubuntu? (btw, you can update from warty to hoary pretty easily. and then you can just install the package "kubuntu-desktop" and you'll have kde)
[11:14] <yahalom> nobody?
[11:14] <mpq> ARGH
[11:14] <nickrud> iceman, change warty to hoary in your /etc/apt/sources.list, and apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:14] <eva_> nickrud, what do you mean exactly?
[11:14] <eva_> (sorry)
[11:14] <iceman> let me reinstall the old version .. but need help updating to hoary ...
[11:14] <nickrud> eva_, apps->system tools->configuration editor
[11:15] <djtansey> iceman: it isn't too hard. you can look on ubuntu's website
[11:15] <eva_> ah, I see
[11:15] <eva_> sec, let me try
[11:15] <iceman> let me reinstall .. back later ..
[11:15] <nickrud> eva_, all user gnome stuff is there, everything and the kitchen sink
[11:15] <djtansey> iceman: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[11:15] <iceman> thanks
[11:16] <eva_> nickrud, hm, it says 800x600...
[11:16] <eva_> apparently, it just doesn't listen to that...
[11:16] <djtansey> can anyone help me downgrade my libc6 package?
[11:16] <eva_> what's also strange is that I have two boxes popping up
[11:16] <eva_> when starting my session
[11:16] <eva_> saying "xsession:"
[11:16] <eva_> and then again "xsession:"
[11:17] <eva_> maybe there's something wrong there?
[11:17] <glickinator> hey
[11:17] <pfp> djtansey: maybe apt-get install libc6/ver.si.on ?
[11:17] <glickinator> runnin this through ubuntu liveCD
[11:17] <abisen_> is there a better editor (graphical) than gedit in gnome (something like ultraedit in windows)
[11:17] <glickinator> pretty nice
[11:17] <eva_> or let's make that "probably there's something wrong there"
[11:17] <abisen_> or kate
[11:17] <eva_> nickrud, thx for your help btw!
[11:17] <nickrud> eva_, :)
[11:18] <YourSQL> :o whats breezy?
[11:18] <Fator_Dee> the next version of ubuntu
[11:18] <eva_> YourSQL, was that an ironic quesion?
[11:18] <YourSQL> eva_ hell no
[11:18] <nickrud> eva_, take a look at gconftool-2, as a hack, you can use that to reset that key in a script on login
[11:18] <YourSQL> I was merely asking, put your ego away
[11:19] <Fator_Dee> it's very unstable at the moment
[11:19] <eva_> YourSQL, ah, then you should definitely not use it :)
[11:19] <pmcnett> Hi, I have a toshiba laptop with a nvidia card on fresh hoary install. Previously used nvidia-glx, but resume wouldn't come back. Now, trying the nv drivers and resume comes back but then the system powers down. Any ideas?
[11:19] <YourSQL> i may be new to Ubuntu, bot not linux eva
[11:19] <bedazzled> hi guyz, how can i login to gnome as root? it complains that this is not permitted.........
[11:19] <YourSQL> Again, put your ego away
[11:19] <runedude> is there any telnet server packages?
[11:20] <pfp> telnetd
[11:20] <Fator_Dee> bedazzled: there's no root accounted by default
[11:20] <eva_> YourSQL, I was trying to help you, really!
[11:20] <glickinator> i think this weekend ill load it up
[11:20] <Fator_Dee> bedazzled: ubuntu uses sudo
[11:20] <bedazzled> Fator_Dee i want to enable it :)
[11:20] <YourSQL> eva_; I'm sure you were ;) As im sure that bullets are used to help population control :)
[11:20] <Fator_Dee> bedazzled: and you shouldn't login to gnome as root :-\
[11:20] <eva_> :)
[11:20] <pfp> bedazzled: you don't want to ;)
[11:20] <eva_> nickrud, I'll have a look
[11:21] <bedazzled> oh yes, i know its harmful, but a couple of programs dont work
[11:21] <nickrud> eva_, do other users on this system have the problem?
[11:21] <novaflare> brb
[11:21] <bedazzled> for example the ubuntu update manager
[11:21] <eva_> nickrud, no, because they have 1280x960 capable screens
[11:21] <eva_> so basicly, I don't know
[11:21] <YourSQL> anyways eva
[11:22] <nickrud> you might try creating one, and checking
[11:22] <petey> anyone else have problems with nautilus being buggy at bootup? sometimes when it boots i have to kill it and restart it to get it to work
[11:22] <YourSQL> Collaborative help is just that, not a display of ego, if you wan that, go shower with the guys. Later
[11:22] <nickrud> if they work, then it's the config somewhere, otherwise more low level
[11:23] <MarioOs> hello everyone
[11:23] <pfp> bedazzled: you can run those programs with sudo that really need root privileges
[11:23] <eva_> hm, nice suggestion... let me check
[11:23] <dooglus> YourSQL: if you want to see egos try #mandriva :)
[11:24] <pmcnett> hoary, acpi, toshiba laptop, nv video driver. System suspends to ram, and even wakes up. But then it immediately goes to runlevel 6 and powers down. Any ideas?
[11:24] <ahuman01> any idea why the internal speaker would stop beeping ?
[11:24] <eva_> nickrud, where does gconf store these personal settings?
[11:24] <eva_> I grepped ~/.gnome2
[11:24] <eva_> to no avail
[11:25] <bedazzled> pfp i type sudo and then what for the ubuntu update manager?
[11:25] <pfp> umm eh, what's the ubuntu update manager
[11:25] <nickrud> ~/.gconf and ~/.gconfd, eva
[11:25] <eva_> oh, sorry, overlooked that
[11:26] <petey> bedazzled any reason you want to run it from a command line?
[11:26] <bedazzled> its a utility in the menu
[11:26] <Strife> has anyone in here used glade much?
[11:26] <Chipparn> how can i access a cvs repository? do i have to install something for cvs to work?
[11:26] <nickrud> eva_, and, my next suggestion, if the new user works, it delete those :)
[11:26] <pfp> bedazzled: do you mean synaptic?
[11:26] <dooglus> dvorak users: is dvorak something you learn instead of qwerty, or is it an additional skill?  do you have to 'give up' qwerty?
[11:26] <bedazzled> petey how can i run from the the gui? it asks for the root password, i type it and it doesnt accept it!!
[11:26] <Djow-> I installed Ubuntu 3 days ago, and ever since then i have had the problem that my computer will "slowly" freeze up.  If im watching a movie, i will first loose picture, a couple of sec later sound, a bit after that i cant move programs around or open other apps, and then it totaly shuts down. I havent found any connection as to what causes this, but ive ehard ATI doesnt fit well with Ubuntu. Can i disable the ati drivers and use "standa
[11:26] <Djow-> rd" to see if that fix it, or nay other solutions?
[11:27] <nickrud> eva_, it'll lose all configs, but I've had to do that a time or two.
[11:27] <bedazzled> pfp synaptic is above it
[11:27] <petey> hmm i think i remember seeing someone else have that problem...let me check something
[11:28] <pfp> bedazzled: ah, now i got it. use *your* password
[11:28] <Strife> so nobody's used glade?
[11:28] <eva_> k, nickrud , I'll be back :)
[11:28] <pfp> starting it from the menu uses sudo automatically
[11:28] <petey> oh ya are you not using your pw?
[11:28] <bedazzled> pfp i type my root password and it doesnt accept it
[11:29] <petey> try the pw for your user?
[11:29] <Zodiac> What version of gaim are you guys running on your ubuntu systems?
[11:29] <pfp> bedazzled: no no, the password for the (normal) user you are logged in as :)
[11:29] <bedazzled> well, both passwords are the same
[11:29] <pfp> hmm
[11:30] <pfp> are you using the same account that was created when you installed the system?
[11:30] <bedazzled> Failed to run /usr/bin/synaptic: Child terminated with 1 status
[11:30] <bedazzled> this is what i get all the time.........
[11:31] <pfp> bedazzled: strange. can you use sudo on the command line, eg. 'sudo cat /etc/passwd' ?
[11:32] <SLicE_> can anyone link me to the nickname registering guide?
[11:33] <drasko> hi all. How to add user drasko to group audio, so I can jack from terminal?
[11:33] <bedazzled> bedazzled is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[11:33] <bedazzled> after i entered the password........
[11:33] <Zodiac> What version of GAIM does ubuntu has in its packages??
[11:33] <JairunCaloth> SLicE: type /nickserv help in your status window
[11:33] <Strife> anyone use glade before? or I suppose done any gtk programming in general?
[11:33] <testres_> nickrud, http://ksaen.be/screenshot.png
[11:33] <JairunCaloth> or /msg nickserv help
[11:34] <testres_> oops, eva here ()
[11:34] <theine> Zodiac, under Hoary it's 1.1.4
[11:34] <SLicE_> cool I got it
[11:34] <bedazzled> i'm pretty frustrated :-/
[11:34] <SLicE_> its registered what next
[11:34] <pfp> bedazzled: ok, that clears it up... you should add your userid to the sudoers file
[11:34] <eva_> nickrud, this is from a newly created user
[11:35] <bedazzled> how do i do that?
[11:35] <Zodiac> hmmm
[11:35] <eva_> the full screen is the 1280x960-capable screen I'm at
[11:35] <Zodiac> weird
[11:35] <pfp> bedazzled: for this you need root privileges, which are granted by sudo, to which you don't have access... :P
[11:35] <Zodiac> Can someone give me a listing of the proper repositories I should be using??
[11:36] <bedazzled> oh boy, my system is locked! :P
[11:36] <pfp> bedazzled: AFAIK, the first user (created during installation) is automatiaclly in the sudoers file
[11:36] <drasko> hi all. How to add user drasko to group audio, so I can jack from terminal?
[11:36] <eva_> as you can see, the bottom pannel is still 600 wide
[11:36] <pfp> bedazzled: 'grep 1000 /etc/passwd'
[11:36] <bedazzled> bedazzled@ubuntu:~$ grep 1000 /etc/passwd
[11:36] <bedazzled> bedazzled:x:1000:1000:bedazzled,,,:/home/bedazzled:/bin/bash
[11:37] <pfp> drasko: sudo adduser drasko audio ; logout ; login
[11:37] <eva_> hm, nickrud , I've already taken too much of your time her
[11:37] <Zodiac> hmm
[11:37] <nickrud> eva_, I'm just sitting here doing accounts, it's a break
[11:37] <eva_> maybe I should just adjust the setting for this one thin client
[11:37] <pfp> bedazzled: and you are trying to use sudo as 'bedazzled'?
[11:38] <eva_> it's only that it feels like a bug that might hurt others too
[11:38] <JairunCaloth> can I make linux try to auto detect my usb printer?
[11:38] <eva_> that's why I'm persisting so much here...
[11:38] <bedazzled> bedazzled@ubuntu:~$ sudo -s -H
[11:38] <bedazzled> bedazzled is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[11:38] <abisen_> i want  a advanced text editor that's easy to use ... in ubuntu .. if i want to install kate do i have to have all the other KDE libraries too o ???
[11:38] <urb85> hello
[11:38] <nickrud> eva_, what I know abut thin clients would fit on the head of a pin. I take it you have the same problem in the new user?
[11:38] <Strife> abisen: pretty much
[11:39] <bedazzled> i entered this command, from ubuntuguide
[11:39] <Zodiac> here is the error I keep getting...
[11:39] <eva_> yes, this is the new user
[11:39] <Strife> abisen: vim == awesome
[11:39] <pfp> bedazzled: strange indeed... you should be able to sudo
[11:39] <Zodiac> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[11:39] <Zodiac> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[11:39] <glickinator> gcc aint on the live CD?
[11:39] <Zodiac> What the hell does that mean?
[11:39] <abisen_> or gedit is all i am stuck with ...
[11:39] <Strife> abisen_: gedit is ok
[11:39] <bedazzled> who will i enter myself to sudoers list?
[11:39] <bedazzled> how will i enter myself to sudoers list?
[11:39] <glickinator> Zodiac, means someone fucked with the file
[11:40] <Zodiac> How do I fix it?
[11:40] <pfp> hmm, you could boot from a (live) cd and then edit /etc/sudoers on the real system
[11:40] <glickinator> Zodiac, download a copy of the file from somewhere else
[11:40] <Strife> abisen_: I really recommend learning vim though... it's really nice once you get to know it... run vimtutor to get a tutorial about it
[11:40] <Zodiac> hmmm
[11:40] <bedazzled> nano /etc/sudoers wont work?
[11:40] <Zodiac> What do you mean by "the file"?
[11:41] <abisen_> Strife, i know vim ... i use vim but when it comes to opening huge data files to visually parse them for writing codes then vim is not something i want to use
[11:41] <pfp> bedazzled: in your running system, no, you shouldn't be able to edit it
[11:41] <abisen_> Strife, ideally i'd love to use ultraedit in linux i love their column mode
[11:41] <glickinator> Zodiac, bad signature means that what its checking the signature against has been changed somewhere, and is not to original file
[11:41] <Strife> abisen_: ah... well you shouldn't have code that's too long anyway :P but I understand
[11:41] <Djow-> i switched over from Windows to Ubuntu 3 days ago, and wanna know what pisses me off more then anything with the switch?   Now i see the a-holes on my MSN/GAIM list close the conversation without responding, pretending to be away... :P
[11:42] <abisen_> Strife, yeah i am a newbie :) tooo
[11:42] <nickrud> Zodiak, the packages released by ubuntu have a security signature; the security signature on your machine does not match the one on the package
[11:42] <Strife> abisen_: hopefully you're reading OTHER people's long code... it's really good practice to split up your code as much as possible... makes it more readable
[11:42] <hybrid_goth> anyone tell me how to set up my eth0 on an ibook
[11:42] <abisen_> Strife, if i install kbuntu-desktop or kate and k3b on my ubuntu will it pollute my menu space with all the applications of KDE
[11:42] <Zodiac> hmmm
[11:43] <abisen_> Strife, i am not reading code i am reading data tables .... huge tables of raw numbers and text
[11:43] <Zodiac> So is it a big deal or can I ignore the error?
[11:43] <Strife> abisen_: no, not your gnome menus... but just do apt-get install kate and it'll install all what is absolutely required... don't install kubuntu unless you really want it
[11:43] <Strife> abisen_: ohhhh, ok
[11:43] <glickinator> why use kate and k3b when you have emacs or vim and cdrecord?
[11:44] <Strife> oh and gnome-baker is a good gui cd writing tool
[11:44] <abisen_> glickinator, i love k3b for burning my cd's and dvd's ... it easier and i dont have to read the man page everytime (i have a bad memory)
[11:44] <glickinator> emacs is more then an editor
[11:44] <Zodiac> Can I ignore the erro??
[11:44] <Zodiac> error
[11:44] <Strife> glickinator: yes, it is... I hate it though because its shortcuts are so annoyingly not standard
[11:44] <nickrud> Zodiac, I wouldn't
[11:44] <glickinator> abisen, once you use it once or twice you remimber the important parts
[11:44] <Zodiac> hmmm
[11:44] <abisen_> glickinator, as a matter of fact why use firefox when we can use links2 and then pyton to parse all the info to view in some svgalib compatable ... console viewer
[11:45] <glickinator> like anything you get used to it
[11:45] <glickinator> abisen, i do use links2 ;P
[11:45] <Strife> abisen_: heh
[11:45] <abisen_> glickinator, the question is how much
[11:45] <glickinator> once in a while i fire it up
[11:46] <abisen_> glickinator, i love gnome the speed of it i hate to use anything kde ... but some of the apps are really nice there
[11:46] <glickinator> as a matter of fact i tried to use k3b to burn an ubuntu iso last night and it crashed on me again and again
[11:47] <abisen_> glickinator, i feel the speed difference even on my 1.8 GHz centrino with 2GB of ram ...
[11:47] <glickinator> so i just fired up cdrecord
[11:47] <glickinator> and it work, as always, like a charm
[11:47] <glickinator> abisen, i like xfce4
[11:47] <abisen_> even k3b uses cdrecord or some of these tools at the backend i guess
[11:48] <glickinator> god i need a nap
[11:48] <abisen_> after the demise of redhat i was wandering like a nomad ... to suse and mandrake to gentoo ... till i found ubuntu
[11:48] <Strife> yuck, redhat
[11:48] <Strife> fedora sucks too
[11:49] <glickinator> i never used any of the redhats or fedora cept at work
[11:49] <anto9us> abisen_:  very poetic
[11:49] <glickinator> was never much fond of it
[11:49] <glickinator> right now i use debian
[11:49] <glickinator> well ubuntu from a live CD
[11:49] <glickinator> hehe
[11:50] <Strife> yeah I use debian (sid) on my desktop which I am on right now, and ubuntu on the lappy
[11:50] <glickinator> i use testin on my lappie
[11:51] <glickinator> i think ima put ubuntu on it though
[11:51] <glickinator> like this weekend
[11:51] <Strife> testin?
[11:51] <glickinator> deb testing
[11:51] <Strife> oh
[11:51] <Strife> heh
[11:51] <Strife> got it
[11:51] <Strife> yeah I had sarge on the desktop, but I got fed up with the lack of some packages that are only in sid
[11:51] <Strife> so rather than just install those particular packages, I just dist-upgraded everything to sid
[11:51] <novaflare> daanf it need to get rubies running smoother
[11:52] <xxenon> can I prevent dhclient to update the system's DNS ?
[11:52] <novaflare> dang even
[11:52] <xxenon> (resolv.conf)
[11:52] <ahuman01> any idea why the internal PC speaker would stop beeping ?
[11:52] <novaflare> depends
[11:53] <anto9us> xxenon: I think you do that at the dhcp server
[11:53] <novaflare> could be simple a wire came unplugged if its seperate from the mother board
[11:53] <novaflare> speaker could have died
[11:53] <glickinator> how long has ubuntu been around?
[11:53] <dcraven> ahuman01: Mine only beeps when if feels like it too.. I wish I could help.
[11:53] <novaflare> or if it beeps during boot but not in linux windows etc then some setting has gotten changed
[11:54] <anto9us> xxenon: sorry, my error, you can specify DNS in network settings, there's a tab for it
[11:54] <ahuman01> speaker not dead .. beeps when booting
[11:54] <jeff25> is it possible to run ubuntu with user mode linux?
[11:54] <glickinator> hey didnt suse start out using debs?
[11:57] <babis> Does anybody have sound problems with xine at DVD playback?
[11:57] <Strife> what kind of problem?
[11:58] <restrex> I don't use that combination :)
[11:58] <babis> ... well basically no sound, video playback is fine. I get sound with totem but erratic video playback
[11:58] <pietro> hello
[11:58] <restrex> mmm
[11:58] <nickrud> ahuman01, have you checked preferences-sound-system bell
[11:58] <pietro> where evolution save accounts configurations ?
[11:58] <restrex> babis configure your xine with oss, or alsa (what are u using?)
[11:59] <babis> yes the system sound is fine
[11:59] <restrex> mmm
[11:59] <restrex> rare
[11:59] <babis> i'll check it out just a min
[11:59] <forester> Is Ubuntu dependent on the Debian package maintainers? ie. Will Ubuntu always be equal to or behind the latest Debian packages?