[12:04] <sirukin> afk
[12:05] <Morandir> anyone want some broken shards of kernel? Tm_T?
[12:14] <Tm_T> Morandir: ?
[12:15] <Morandir> we did a 2nd compile of the kernel... now I have kernel pieces all over the floor and in the rug...
[12:15] <Morandir> need any?
[12:16] <Tm_T> haha
[12:21] <JohninMT> Hello....I am having a problem connecting with apt and firefox(secure sites.   Konqueror works ok.  I am going through a dsl router. W 9 with firefox works ok....the last thing i had added last night was dillo.  I removed it today, but the same result
[12:34] <Morandir> >_<
[12:34] <Morandir> sad to say, but I think its gentoo time..
[12:36] <DiabloD3> bad Morandir!
[12:36] <Morandir> no, not bad
[12:36] <DiabloD3> gentoo only leads to instability and retardation
[12:36] <Morandir> ubuntu has exceeded our limits of aggravation
[12:38] <DiabloD3> have you asked for help?
[12:38] <Morandir> ...
[12:38] <Morandir> much
[12:38] <DiabloD3> whats the problem?
[12:38] <Morandir> and scoured many forums
[12:38] <Morandir> 2.6.11 kernel has exploded in to many shards of kernel panics and lack of evms for software raid
[12:39] <DiabloD3> dont use 2.6.11
[12:39] <Morandir> ...
[12:39] <Morandir> but I hard freeze if ever a screen resolution switch is made
[12:39] <DiabloD3> theres a reason why linux-386/686 doesnt point to 2.6.11 yet
[12:39] <mrmanic> I thought 2.6.11 was a total dev kernel
[12:40] <DiabloD3> mrmanic: nope, its 2.6.x.
[12:40] <mrmanic> and 2.6.12 was supposed to be a stable kernel
[12:40] <DiabloD3> mrmanic: nope.
[12:40] <DiabloD3> mrmanic: kernels dont use the even/odd minor version numbering system
[12:40] <mrmanic> pretty sure they do
[12:40] <DiabloD3> it uses 2.5/2.6 instead, where 2.5 is unstable and 2.6 is stable
[12:40] <mrmanic> lemme find the post.
[12:40] <Morandir> and we cant get video ati modules in unless we build the old kernel, but have no source for it
[12:40] <mrmanic> they switched in like march
[12:40] <mrmanic> IIRC
[12:40] <DiabloD3> mrmanic: I've been compiling kernels longer than you've been using linux.
[12:40] <DiabloD3> mrmanic: so shush.
[12:41] <DiabloD3> Morandir: like I said, dont use 2.6.11
[12:41] <Morandir> but I cant use 2.6.10 either
[12:41] <DiabloD3> Morandir: why not?
[12:41] <Morandir> video problems
[12:41] <DiabloD3> what video card?
[12:41] <Morandir> got i386 binaries from ati
[12:42] <Morandir> ati 8500dv AIW 
[12:42] <DiabloD3> wait, you're attempting to use the ati binary drivers?
[12:42] <DiabloD3> you need to apt-get those
[12:42] <Morandir> we tried the apt-get, but there wasnt any bin's
[12:42] <Morandir> for ati
[12:42] <Morandir> that we saw
[12:42] <DiabloD3> grab linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-686 (or whichever kernel you use) and xorg-driver-fglrx
[12:43] <Morandir> xorg-driver-fglrx huh?
[12:43] <DiabloD3> yeah, thats the xorg half of the driver
[12:43] <mrmanic> DiabloD3: http://kerneltrap.org/node/4790
[12:43] <DiabloD3> the kernel modules are in linux-restricted-modules
[12:44] <mrmanic> DiabloD3: but you may be right, I didn't see any resolution to the proposal
[12:44] <DiabloD3> mrmanic: yeah, linus decided not to do that
[12:44] <DiabloD3> mrmanic: and kept it as 2.6.11.x as 'semi-stable' 
[12:44] <DiabloD3> mrmanic: or rather, stable bits to be added to 2.6.11
[12:45] <DiabloD3> mrmanic: true unstable is in linus's git tree
[12:46] <mrmanic> Well I didn't really figure anything truly unstable would even make it into even a minor point release.  
[12:46] <Morandir> how should you choose between -386 and -686 kernels when running AMD 2100+ XP proc
[12:46] <mrmanic> Why is 2.6.12 so slow in finalizing?
[12:46] <mrmanic> I thought there was a -k7 kernel for that
[12:47] <DiabloD3> Morandir: you want -k7
[12:47] <DiabloD3> mrmanic: because hes got a lot of crap to do
[12:47] <DiabloD3> mrmanic: that, and 2.6.x.y works well
[12:48] <DiabloD3> Morandir: theres -386, -686, -686-smp, -k7, and -k7-smp
[12:48] <Morandir> yes there is
[12:48] <Morandir> but isnt k7 older procs?
[12:48] <DiabloD3> yours is a k7.
[12:48] <Morandir> k
[12:48] <DiabloD3> k7 is just the internal arch name of all athlons
[12:48] <DiabloD3> btw, Morandir, you may also want xorg-driver-fglrx-dev and fglrx-control
[12:49] <Morandir> I saw fglrx-control through kynaptic, but havent seen the xorg-driver-fglrx
[12:49] <DiabloD3> Morandir: you can just apt-get install them, you know
[12:50] <DiabloD3> most people dont use synaptic/kynaptic and choose to use the command line tools instead
[12:53] <Morandir> I usually do a mix
[12:53] <Morandir> kynaptic lets me see whats available
[12:54] <DiabloD3> yeah, but when you already have the package name, apt-get install away
[12:55] <DiabloD3> Morandir: so, install them yet?
[12:57] <JohninMT> Hello....I have been using kubuntu ...today I was having trouble accessing secure websites with firefox.  I was able to use Konqueror..I was unable to use apt-get..When I attempted to access irc.....it looked like I was bumping people out..just by entering a room.  I am afraid the sytem may have been compromised.   Could it be something else
[12:58] <JohninMT> I am actully using the 98 I dual boot with now
[12:59] <DiabloD3> JohninMT: well, you cant bump people off irc.
[12:59] <DiabloD3> JohninMT: without further descriptions, I cant fix your problem.
[01:00] <JohninMT> Everything was working fine...last night I added dillo
[01:00] <DiabloD3> woah
[01:00] <DiabloD3> dillo is way outdated
[01:00] <JohninMT> one other wierd this is that the file menu "bookmarks"  was now bookmars" in konqueror
[01:01] <JohninMT> I removed it today.....since  it seemed like the last thing I did
[01:01] <DiabloD3> sounds like dillo did something wrong
[01:01] <DiabloD3> I wonder if something else happened
[01:01] <DiabloD3> like, as if your partition got scrambled
[01:01] <JohninMT> apt-get does not work anymore
[01:02] <JohninMT> the other thing that was new was amoraK..I do not usually use it but started last night
[01:02] <DiabloD3> yeah, it seriously sounds like something went wrong
[01:02] <DiabloD3> you dont have desktop sharing enabled, do you?
[01:03] <JohninMT> is there a way to repair it without re-installing completely?
[01:03] <Morandir> DiabloD3: dl'n
[01:03] <JohninMT> no....I do not remember doing that..but I do have another machine with MEPIS that I have accessed from this one
[01:04] <DiabloD3> JohninMT: how do you do that?
[01:04] <JohninMT> could something malicious have happened if sharing was enabled
[01:04] <DiabloD3> yeah, lots of stuff can go on once you enable stuff
[01:04] <JohninMT> well I go to konqueror from the taskbar..and choose network folders and then samba
[01:04] <DiabloD3> desktop sharing, telnet, samba, nfs are all bad
[01:04] <JohninMT> it is odd that konqeror kept working
[01:05] <DiabloD3> you should only use them on closed networks
[01:05] <JohninMT> it still does
[01:05] <JohninMT> ok
[01:05] <DiabloD3> konq works because its not firefox
[01:05] <DiabloD3> they implement their own methods to do stuff, and dont share
[01:05] <JohninMT> and the firefox is from mozilla not from apt
[01:05] <JohninMT> oh i SEE
[01:05] <JohninMT> oops
[01:06] <JohninMT> and if the system is compromised the intruder would not want to disable konq becuz that is their way in?
[01:06] <JohninMT> what should I do
[01:07] <DiabloD3> JohninMT: well, it depends on what happened
[01:07] <DiabloD3> JohninMT: what folders have you shared?
[01:07] <JohninMT> if there were any it would have been home.....the other thing is that I did automount and use the FAT32 partitions
[01:08] <DiabloD3> automount wont screw stuff up
[01:08] <JohninMT> ok
[01:08] <DiabloD3> heres a hint, dont share your home
[01:08] <DiabloD3> ever
[01:08] <JohninMT> and it still works fine
[01:08] <JohninMT> ok
[01:08] <DiabloD3> share a folder inside of your home thats set aside just for items you want to share
[01:08] <JohninMT> also I did add repositories...
[01:08] <JohninMT> ok
[01:08] <DiabloD3> which repos?
[01:09] <JohninMT> some were from the unofficial guide
[01:09] <JohninMT> but the last ones were so that I could update digikam
[01:09] <DiabloD3> could you tell me which ones?
[01:09] <DiabloD3> they're in /etc/apt/sources.list, btw
[01:10] <JohninMT> I do not remember..I have it written in a text file in Kubuntu...
[01:10] <JohninMT> let me go back in there and come back....I did receive warnings in apt
[01:10] <JohninMT> I will be back
[01:10] <JohninMT> btw...ty for the help
[01:10] <DiabloD3> okay
[01:10] <JohninMT> and I do love Kubuntu
[01:12] <Morandir> DiabloD3: couldnt get the xorg-drivers-fglrx
[01:12] <DiabloD3> Morandir: paste error messages
[01:13] <Morandir> across computers?
[01:13] <Morandir> >_>
[01:14] <DiabloD3> well, I need something more than 'couldnt get' ;)
[01:14] <Morandir> I know
[01:14] <Morandir> got the .10 kernel for -k7
[01:17] <DiabloD3> brb
[01:17] <transgress> those drivers worked fine for me with the -k7 kernel...
[01:18] <DiabloD3> back
[01:23] <Morandir> okay
[01:24] <JohninMT> I will paste my sources from last backward
[01:24] <JohninMT> http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/hoary ./
[01:24] <JohninMT> http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/hoary
[01:25] <JohninMT> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ubp hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[01:25] <JohninMT> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ubp hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
 http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/hoary ./
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[01:25] <DiabloD3> those look broken
[01:26] <JohninMT> right now nothing can be updated..
[01:26] <DiabloD3> yeah because those sources are broken
[01:26] <JohninMT> one other thing...firefox appears to be a security things..
[01:26] <DiabloD3> remove them, and try updating again
[01:26] <JohninMT> secure..places like My Yahoo and ebay do not open
[01:26] <JohninMT> ok
[01:27] <JohninMT> what repairs can be made in recovery mode?
[01:27] <DiabloD3> all
[01:27] <DiabloD3> recovery mode just doesnt start X
[01:28] <JohninMT> I was thinking dillo can not go to secure sites..so is there some kind of relationship?
[01:28] <DiabloD3> dillo sucks
[01:28] <DiabloD3> and no, it can go to secure sites, but it just sucks hard
[01:29] <JohninMT> but I did not see any dependencies come with it..and ist seemed to deteriorate
[01:29] <JohninMT> almost like a dns error
[01:29] <JohninMT> but of course windows uses the same dns and...here I am
[01:30] <DiabloD3> dunno what happened
[01:30] <JohninMT> Well thanks again for the help...I think I will do a do over tonight..and be a little careful with what I add ;)
[01:30] <DiabloD3> JohninMT: you _could_ just format your linux partition and reinstall ubuntu
[01:30] <JohninMT> I think I will do that
[01:30] <JohninMT> \it is probably the easiest thing to do
[01:30] <JohninMT> thanks again..talk to you later....
[01:48] <_phate_> is there away to get the desktop Icons back?
[01:49] <Tm_T> hmm, how they disappeared?
[01:50] <_phate_> well they aren't their to begin with
[01:50] <Tm_T> ah
[01:51] <Tm_T> rightclick on desktop -> conf -> behaviour
[01:51] <_phate_> I would assume its because kubuntu k
[01:51] <Tm_T> eh
[01:51] <_phate_> whops
[01:51] <_phate_> sorry
[01:52] <Tm_T> yeah, you can control virtually everything ;)
[01:57] <Tm_T> _phate_: you got it?
[01:58] <Tm_T> haha
[02:03] <sirk> back
[02:09] <Tm_T> Riddell: 
[02:11] <transgress> hmm damn small linux is running nicely on 32 megs of ram
[02:13] <jbn-o> is there a good website or blog (perhaps a planet blog) to read for konqueror work?  I'm curious if any of CSS3 will be implemented soon, particularly border-radius.
[02:13] <Tm_T> yup
[02:14] <Tm_T> erh, what's in new firefox package?
[02:14] <transgress> security fixes probably
[02:14] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:14] <Tm_T> what now?
[02:15] <transgress> iuno... i barely use it since it's only on my laptop
[02:15] <Tm_T> hmm, I'll stick with 1.0.4 :p
[02:15] <Tm_T> as long as it works
[02:15] <Tm_T> ah, so I hold mozilla-firefox packages :p
[02:15] <Tm_T> and voil
[02:16] <transgress> i continue to wonder if they will ever take out gnome-support from the main firefox package...
[02:16] <transgress> on apt
[02:17] <Tm_T> oh
[02:17] <transgress> i won't use it on kubuntu until they do... i just stick with konq
[02:18] <Tm_T> hmm, I have no trouble with "gnome support" package
[02:20] <transgress> it's not that i would have trouble with it... i just don't want it
[02:21] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:21] <transgress> i don't need 50 megs of gnome on a kde only system... i have no urge to put gnome on this box... in fact i used to run ubuntu on it but didn't want it
[02:21] <Tm_T> I have lots of gtk and gnome stuff
[02:21] <Tm_T> and why not
[02:22] <transgress> because i don't need it... i have gtk stuff... but not gnome stuff
[02:22] <transgress> don't have any use for it... 
[02:24] <Tm_T> heh
[02:24] <Tm_T> I collect all trash =)
[02:24] <Tm_T> "hmm, interesting package, maybe I need it someday"
[02:24] <transgress> heh
[02:25] <transgress> i'm actually tempted to get it just for the gnome-vfs or whatever it is that does the automounting... it's the only way i can get my external hard drive to mount for some reason
[02:26] <Tm_T> yeah, I must have too large HD, still muach free space :/
[02:26] <Tm_T> -a
[02:27] <Tm_T> I have too thick fingers :/
[02:27] <transgress> i have plenty of freespace
[02:27] <transgress> but i'm also the type of person who runs deborphan on a regular basis to make sure i'm just not wasting space
[02:28] <Tm_T> haha
[02:28] <Tm_T> some times I do so too
[02:28] <Tm_T> but some times I think I really don't need to :p
[02:29] <transgress> i wonder which is faster... fluxbox or windowmaker
[02:30] <Tm_T> hmm, haven't seen any difference
[02:30] <Tm_T> maybe wmaker is slightly
[02:30] <Tm_T> I like it =)
[02:30] <transgress> i like wmaker for the way it minimizes to icons
[02:30] <transgress> i wish i could do that in kde... instead of minimizing to the taskbar
[02:31] <Tm_T> it's just fucking stupid that fedora doesn't have packages for wmaker really :/
[02:31] <transgress> it doesn't?  that sucks
[02:31] <transgress> a lot
[02:31] <Tm_T> you tell me =)
[02:31] <transgress> Tm_T: you using the fedorafaq.org yum.conf?
[02:31] <Tm_T> hmm, dunno
[02:31] <Tm_T> maybe + lots of other stuff
[02:32] <transgress> i found most everything i needed with that yum.conf heh
[02:32] <Tm_T> most
[02:32] <transgress> but i haven't used it in a while
[02:33] <transgress> planning on putting fc4 on my lappy... thinking of putting the test3 on there to play with for a bit
[02:33] <Tm_T> my second desktop is running FC3
[02:33] <Tm_T> uses wmaker =)
[02:33] <transgress> hey what is the file i need to edit to change my default windowmanager?
[02:33] <Tm_T> so I don't have wmaker-config thing or anything :/
[02:33] <transgress> i wanna go from flux to wmaker
[02:33] <Tm_T> hmm, good guestion =)
[02:33] <Tm_T> don't know really
[02:34] <Tm_T> I have always trouble with G/KDM
[02:49] <transgress> ah well then
[02:49] <transgress> it's not pretty but it doesn't need to be
[02:49] <transgress> just nice and simple
[02:52] <DiabloD3> hrm.
[02:53] <DiabloD3> ubuntu kernels dont come with oss drivers built, do they?
[02:55] <Tm_T> eh?
[02:56] <DiabloD3> eh eh?
[02:56] <Tm_T> well, I think I use oss atm
[02:56] <DiabloD3> you probably use alsa
[02:57] <Tm_T> hmm, amaroK uses osssink
[02:57] <transgress> why would you want oss?
[02:58] <DiabloD3> transgress: driver testing
[02:58] <DiabloD3> tm_T: doesnt mean you use oss
[02:58] <DiabloD3> tm_T: alsa can emulate oss
[02:59] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:59] <Morandir> >____________<
[03:00] <Morandir> DIabloD3 >_<
[03:00] <Tm_T> DiabloD3: so test if it's there ;)
[03:01] <DiabloD3> heh
[03:22] <DiabloD3> w00t
[03:22] <DiabloD3> I just checked
[03:22] <DiabloD3> its there
[03:22] <Tm_T> heh
[03:22] <Tm_T> I thought so
[03:23] <DiabloD3> Im tracking down a bug in the joystick driver for es1371
[03:23] <DiabloD3> and I dont feel like building a new kernel
[03:26] <crimsun> hmm? you wouldn't build a module?
[03:26] <DiabloD3> you mean just the module? no
[03:26] <DiabloD3> I'd have to grab the ubuntufied version of the source
[03:27] <DiabloD3> and hop through all these steps and crap
[03:27] <DiabloD3> its easier to just build a whole new kernel
[03:28] <crimsun> gameport, etc.?
[03:28] <DiabloD3> crimsun: erm, I dont understand your question
[03:28] <DiabloD3> gameport etc already exist
[03:28] <DiabloD3> es1371 cards have their own internal driver for the gameport
[03:29] <crimsun> but are you using a Ubuntu kernel or your own?
[03:29] <DiabloD3> apparently alsa's is broken for atleast my card, and probably several too
[03:29] <DiabloD3> ubuntu kernel atm
[03:29] <DiabloD3> I havent gotten around to building my own kernel yet
[03:29] <DiabloD3> (its on my todo list... really!)
[03:30] <crimsun> yeah, es1371 is modularised, so you don't have to recompile everything
[03:32] <_sophie> Hi all I need help as a new user of kunbuntu (7 days now)
[03:33] <transgress> far too much of your life story for my liking
[03:33] <transgress> but anyways, what do you need?
[03:33] <_sophie> Your help would be appreciated: I need to install mplayer
[03:34] <transgress> enable multiverse and universe and then sudo apt-get install mplayer
[03:34] <DiabloD3> crimsun: which is why I checked to see if it was even built in the first place
[03:34] <_sophie> How dp I install using apt-get I can<t find a package
[03:34] <transgress> _sophie: you enable universe and multiverse in your sources.list
[03:34] <_sophie> transgress: I<ll have a look now
[03:34] <transgress> _sophie: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:35] <_sophie> deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[03:35] <_sophie> # deb-src http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[03:35] <_sophie> transgress: which one
[03:36] <transgress> well it appears that the universe binaries are already enabled
[03:36] <DiabloD3> wahoo
[03:36] <DiabloD3> oss works
[03:36] <transgress> copy that line and paste it, then change the word universe to multiverse
[03:36] <transgress> then save, and apt-get update
[03:37] <DiabloD3> transgress: thats a little excessive
[03:37] <DiabloD3> he could have just added the word multiverse after it
[03:37] <_sophie> transgress: Couldn't find package mplayer
[03:38] <_sophie> transgress: why change the word universe to multiverse
[03:38] <transgress> DiabloD3: true... i just like to keep things all on their own... otherwise i miss shit...
[03:38] <transgress> _sophie: because mplayer is in multiverse
[03:39] <DiabloD3> _sophie: ... so it adds the multiverse repo
[03:39] <transgress> do what diablo said... just add multiverse to the end
[03:39] <transgress> and oh... RTFM i sent you
[03:39] <DiabloD3> transgress: see, Im the opposite, I prefer having main restricted universe multiverse all on one line so I dont miss shit
[03:43] <_sophie> transgress: tks now apt-get can actually be found by apt-get
[03:43] <SlicerDicer> anybody down for playing UT2004?
[03:44] <transgress> i would, but i'm working
[03:45] <SlicerDicer> :/
[03:46] <transgress> and normally i would while i'm working, but i just found something oh so nice... someone didn't sign up for a new billing system... and somehow we have missed that he hasn't been billed for a fucking year
[03:47] <_sophie> transgress: I choose mplayer-586 but now I have some unmet depndencies libsvga and I can<t install thaht
[03:48] <_sophie> transgress: I thought apt-get would be simpler than the usual rpm dance on some opther distros
[03:48] <transgress> you don't have marillat added do you?
[03:48] <crimsun> _sophie: you need to use only the debian-marillat testing repo along with ubuntu's multiverse
[03:48] <transgress> it is
[03:48] <transgress> someone should really put that in the wiki
[03:48] <crimsun> _sophie: then you need to tell aptitude specifically which version of mplayer-586 to install
[03:48] <transgress> because i know i've told a dozen people that already
[03:48] <_sophie> transgress: no marillat??\
[03:49] <_sophie> crimsun: how
[03:49] <crimsun> _sophie: add it by editing /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:50] <crimsun> _sophie: please use http://pastebin.com instead of querying me
[03:51] <crimsun> gah
[03:51] <crimsun> (you're still querying me)
[03:53] <transgress> haha
[03:53] <_sophie> crimsun: sorry and tks at the same time
[04:00] <crimsun> _sophie: still waiting on pastebin.com
[04:00] <Tm_T> eh, not funny
[04:00] <Tm_T> konqi crashes if I try to open rightclickmenu
[04:00] <Tm_T> hmm, I just wonder what I broke :p
[04:02] <jkeel> hi all. would anyone like to comment on Kubuntu PPC? I'm thinking about installing it
[04:02] <jkeel> on a 12" Powerbook
[04:03] <jkeel> any issues/likes/dislikes?
[04:04] <vardhan_> aptitude install kdesdk [04:04] <vardhan_> How can I install kdesdk i Hoary ?
[04:06] <Tm_T> hmm
[04:06] <jkeel> channel isn't very active.. 
[04:07] <Tm_T> no, we sleep in europe ;)
[04:07] <Tm_T> except me
[04:09] <jkeel> :)
[04:09] <jkeel> on the east coast of the US, it's 10:00
[04:10] <jkeel> well, I think I'll take the Kubuntu plunge anyway...
[04:10] <jkeel> Tm_T: do you use Kubuntu?
[04:10] <_sophie> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/290492
[04:11] <Tm_T> jkeel: sure
[04:11] <crimsun> _sophie: what cpu?
[04:11] <_sophie> crimsun: athlon
[04:12] <_sophie> crimsun: athlon
[04:12] <crimsun> _sophie: sudo apt-get install mplayer-k6=1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[04:12] <crimsun> _sophie: make sure you have multiverse and debian-marillat's testing enabled
[04:14] <_sophie> <div class="box"><center><b>deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main</b>
[04:14] <_sophie>   </center>
[04:14] <_sophie>   </div>
[04:14] <_sophie> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[04:14] <_sophie> crimsun: you want me to add 
[04:14] <crimsun> yes, that.
[04:14] <crimsun> but you should _not_ have stable or unstable listed
[04:15] <Tm_T> eh
[04:15] <Tm_T> why people do such pastes :/
[04:16] <Tm_T> " <div class="box"><center><b> "
[04:16] <Tm_T> "ok"
[04:18] <_sophie> Tm_T: Sorry my fault
[04:19] <andrewski> where could i find the app settings for, say, kaudiocreator?
[04:20] <transgress> andrewski: check .kde
[04:22] <andrewski> transgress: ok, found them.  .kde/share/config/foo
[04:22] <andrewski> thanks.
[04:23] <_sophie> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/290496
[04:23] <_sophie> crimsun: have a look
[04:23] <andrewski> crimsun: yet again, everywhere! :P
[04:24] <crimsun> _sophie: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list -> pastebin
[04:25] <_sophie> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/290497
[04:25] <crimsun> _sophie: you're missing universe
[04:26] <crimsun> _sophie: you need deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[04:26] <crimsun> and deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[04:30] <_sophie> crimsun: seems to be working now but still get the same pgp key error when doing update
[04:30] <crimsun> _sophie: did you follow wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary ?
[04:31] <_sophie> crimsun: Nope I follwoed instructions on http://debian.video.free.fr/
[04:31] <LiquidAir> hi
[04:31] <crimsun> _sophie: use my instructions on that wiki page
[04:32] <LiquidAir> i just finished the installation and it booted up into kde; but after rebooting it no longer boots up kde
[04:32] <LiquidAir> it starts up X but all i get is a black screen
[04:33] <LiquidAir> ctrl+alt+backspace does not work
[04:33] <LiquidAir> which is strange because i saw no option to disable that in xorg.org
[04:33] <LiquidAir> maybe it locked up?
[04:33] <Tm_T> hmm
[04:33] <LiquidAir> but it did work the first time O_o
[04:33] <Tm_T> topic?
[04:34] <LiquidAir> huh?
[04:35] <_sophie> crimsun: thakns so much for your time but please see http://pastebin.com/290501
[04:36] <Tm_T> LiquidAir: try to add " deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main " into your sources.list
[04:36] <Tm_T> that shouldn't help though
[04:36] <LiquidAir> hmm..
[04:37] <LiquidAir> ok i will but i'd like something that would help
[04:37] <crimsun> _sophie: you didn't follow my directions
[04:37] <crimsun> _sophie: what you're doing there is merging the archive key into root's keyring.
[04:37] <crimsun> _sophie: you don't want to do that; you want to merge it into apt-key's keyring
[04:39] <Tm_T> LiquidAir: try, dunno really
[04:39] <_sophie> crimsun: but when I don't run has su it does not work
[04:40] <_sophie> crimsun: gpg: can't open `/home/sophie/.gnupg/pubring.gpg'
[04:41] <_sophie> crimsun: For some reason mplayer is working now I just need to install some codecs
[04:41] <_sophie> crimsun: *windows codecs
[04:43] <crimsun> _sophie: w32codecs. The instructions are at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:43] <crimsun> _sophie: please read wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary carefully
[04:43] <crimsun> bbl
[04:46] <Tm_Nuada> plah
[04:53] <Tm_Nuada> hmm
[05:12] <DiabloD3> hey Riddell 
[05:28] <Tm_T> DiabloD3: eh, I've got a problem
[05:28] <DiabloD3> damnit, why does everyone come to me >_<
[05:29] <Tm_T> =)
[05:29] <DiabloD3> I should start charging or some shit
[05:29] <Tm_T> I think this is something new and interesting
[05:30] <Tm_T> " dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) "
[05:30] <Tm_T> etc
[05:30] <DiabloD3> I need more than that
[05:30] <Tm_T> so, apt failed to install properly a package, but that app is running :p
[05:32] <Tm_T> and ofcourse dpkg says "dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove knemo which isn't installed."
[05:32] <Tm_T> fucking great
[05:32] <DiabloD3> maybe knemo isnt even installed
[05:32] <Tm_T> hmm, so why it's running?
[05:33] <Tm_T> and there's no [X]  to close it :p
[05:33] <DiabloD3> because you forgot to turn it off first?
[05:33] <runelind> is there a way to scan for removable media?  when I put in my dvd-rom in my laptop while the OS is running, it doesn't pick up that there is a new device
[05:33] <Tm_T> DiabloD3: I never started it myself
[05:33] <DiabloD3> tm_T: reinstall windows./
[05:33] <Tm_T> :p
[05:33] <DiabloD3> runelind: erm, thats usually done automatically
[05:33] <transgress> no one would know of a program that lets you minimize programs to an icon on the desktop ala windowmaker would you?
[05:34] <DiabloD3> transgress: .... windowmaker!
[05:34] <runelind> DiabloD3: it didn't, maybe it was just messed up that one time
[05:34] <Tm_T> uah
[05:34] <DiabloD3> runelind: an icon should appear on your desktop
[05:35] <transgress> DiabloD3: i prefer to stick with kde... it's slightly... prettier
[05:35] <transgress> and it's menus are far easier to deal with
[05:35] <DiabloD3> heh
[05:36] <_sophie> crimsun: Everything is working noew tks
[05:40] <crimsun> np
[05:42] <_sophie> crimsun: Thanks again Ive got my mplayer back
[05:43] <Tm_T> errrorr
[05:43] <_sophie> crimsun: now to get my java fix for azureus
[05:45] <transgress> java is easy to get
[05:45] <transgress> if you read the wiki
[05:49] <dicrapio> new to kubuntu and all was well but no longer have admin priviliges with normal user, found nothing in the FAQ
[06:07] <Peps> Anyone here?
[06:07] <Tm_T> yup
[06:08] <Peps> When I installed kubuntu hoary, an icon would  pop automatically when I insert a cdrom. Now ufter the update it does no happen. Any ideas how to restore it?
[06:09] <Tm_T> Peps: hmm, are you sure about your desktop settings?
[06:09] <Peps> what do you mean?
[06:10] <Tm_T> rightclick in desk -> conf -> behaviour
[06:10] <Peps> you mean under "device icons?"
[06:11] <Peps> wow - did the trick!!!! thanks a bundle
[06:12] <Tm_T> yup
[06:12] <Tm_T> =)
[06:12] <Peps> but why would it disapear. I also lost the trash icon on the menu bar ...
[06:13] <Tm_T> don't ask, I have my own problems atm :p
[06:13] <Tm_T> I lost one pic =)
[06:15] <Peps> sorry. Thanks for the help. Any idea why this is not in the control center. All the others are there?
[06:16] <Peps> sorry, it is there. NOw that i know where to look :( silly
[06:16] <Tm_T> =)
[06:16] <Tm_T> Peps: np, I do lost things way too often =)
[06:17] <Peps> Well, this is way better than RH 8.0. I am out of rpm hell at least
[06:18] <Tm_T> haha, that's true =)
[06:18] <Tm_T> have you tried amaroK yet?
[06:19] <Peps> I am too used to xmms
[06:28] <Peps> There is a new kernel 2.6.10-34.1. ANyone can tell me what it fixes and is it important to upgrade?
[06:31] <Tm_T> hmm, 34?
[06:32] <_matt> can sombody help me with somthing plz?
[06:32] <Tm_T> yes?
[06:32] <_matt> ok i finally got gaim insatlled and it says somthing about SSL....so i did an update and a apt-get of it...well the apt get worked but then said package could not be found
[06:33] <_matt> im new with linux so yea...lol 
[06:33] <Tm_T> heh
[06:33] <_matt> i googled SSL...and you need it for loggin in on MSN
[06:33] <Tm_T> maybe you need to add something to your sources.list
[06:33] <_matt> hmmm lol i just got my source.list fixed .......it was really messed up
[06:35] <_matt> hmmm no suggestions then???..........
[06:36] <Tm_T> http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/swmgmt.html
[06:37] <Nexus> ok yea ive been there.......and thats how i got my source.list screwed up to begin with....:S
[06:39] <Tm_T> eh :p
[06:40] <Nexus> yep...
[06:40] <Nexus> hmmmmmmmm all i need is the SSL library thingy i guess lol......but i have no idea how to install it or anything....wow ....
[06:41] <Furic> is there any way i can get kopete 0.10.1 installed via deb short of creating the package myself? everything in hoary seems to not be updated now that its been released.
[06:41] <Nexus> i could go back on linuxcult......"site i belong to".......you should join.....honestly ..BEST site regarding linux questions EVER 
[06:41] <Nexus> its a great site
[06:41] <Nexus> check it out www.linuxcult.com
[06:43] <mrmanic> Furic: you might see if 10.1 is on packages.debian.org
[06:43] <mrmanic> Furic: the dependencies might be messed, though.
[06:43] <Furic> is it save to use debian packages in ubuntu?
[06:43] <Nexus> yes it is
[06:43] <Nexus> i do it all the time
[06:43] <Nexus> works fine with me
[06:44] <Nexus> soem packages wont work though
[06:44] <mrmanic> seems worth a try for a minor point release, though.
[06:45] <Nexus> man.....so can anybody suggest a good chat client besieds kopete (gay) and aMSN
[06:45] <Nexus> i have gaim but the stupid SSL is holdin me back
[06:45] <Nexus> i cant find any info on how to get that installed
[06:47] <Nexus> people arent to talkative in here
[06:47] <Nexus> btw "first time in here"
[06:48] <Furic> "kopete (gay)" - didn't realize it had dexual preferences
[07:12] <mrmanic> oh
[07:12] <mrmanic> too bad
[07:12] <mrmanic> I wish people would stick around after they ask questions
[07:13] <mrmanic> I probably would have said "bitlbee + konversation"
[07:22] <Tm_T> mrmanic|sleep: bitlbee + irssi ;)
[07:22] <mrmanic|sleep> not bad
[07:22] <mrmanic|sleep> will irssi beep for me when I get a /msg?
[07:22] <Tm_T> if you set it so
[07:23] <mrmanic|sleep> hmm
[07:23] <mrmanic|sleep> I wonder if I could get used to irssi
[07:23] <Tm_T> muhaha
[07:23] <mrmanic|sleep> It would definitely make me more elite :)
[07:24] <Tm_T> eh, how?
[07:24] <Tm_T> elite?
[07:24] <Tm_T> wtf
[07:24] <mrmanic|sleep> yeah
[07:24] <mrmanic|sleep> elite
[07:24] <mrmanic|sleep> irssi > konversation
[07:25] <Tm_T> yes, but using irssi doesn't make "elite"
[07:25] <mrmanic|sleep> b/c I could use it on one of my hundred thousand shells from compromised boxes.
[07:25] <mrmanic|sleep> which I used to destroy my IRC enemies
[07:25] <mrmanic|sleep> (who are obviously less elite than I am)
[07:25] <Tm_T> wtf elite
[07:25] <mrmanic|sleep> l33t
[07:26] <Tm_T> ok, you're cs generation :/
[07:26] <mrmanic|sleep> :?
[07:26] <mrmanic|sleep> cs generation?
[07:26] <Tm_T> yes
[07:26] <mrmanic|sleep> computer science?
[07:26] <mrmanic|sleep> counterstrike?
[07:26] <Tm_T> counterstrike
[07:26] <mrmanic|sleep> I never played that.
[07:26] <Tm_T> me neither
[07:26] <Tm_T> but thats not the point
[07:27] <Tm_T> what you mean by elite in this context?
[07:27] <mrmanic|sleep> oh
[07:27] <mrmanic|sleep> pretty much exactly that.
[07:28] <Tm_T> eh, ok, I don't get it
[07:28] <mrmanic|sleep> the stereotypical 1337 script kiddie with his 50 compromised shells waging IRC warfare and splitting networks and causing general havoc.
[07:28] <Tm_T> ...
[07:28] <Tm_T> shortly, kid
[07:28] <mrmanic|sleep> ?
[07:29] <mrmanic|sleep> shortly like as soon as I get done installing irssi?
[07:29] <mrmanic|sleep> I just know I'll be elite then.  When do I get my 50 compromised shells?
[07:29] <mrmanic|sleep> do they come on install or does someone DCC them to me?
[07:29] <_phate_> How do I get the desktop icons?
[07:29] <mrmanic|sleep> ;)
[07:29] <_phate_> They aren't there
[07:29] <Tm_T> phuoh
[07:30] <mrmanic|sleep> _phate_: I don't think desktop icons ship with kubuntu by default
[07:30] <mrmanic|sleep> _phate_: which ones are you talking about?
[07:30] <mrmanic|sleep> Tm_T: I'm joking...sorry to string you along.
[07:30] <Tm_T> _phate_: rightclick on desk -> conf -> behaviour ->
[07:30] <mrmanic|sleep> _phate_: are you talking about device icons?
[07:30] <Tm_T> mrmanic|sleep: I just hate "elite" and other "kid" stuff, sorry
[07:30] <mrmanic|sleep> I do too, Tm_T 
[07:31] <mrmanic|sleep> Tm_T: I find it pretty ridiculous.
[07:31] <Tm_T> like "lol"
[07:31] <Tm_T> no shit =)
[07:31] <mrmanic|sleep> What gets me is when people say "lol" when they're in the next room from me and OBVIOUSLY not laughing out loud.
[07:31] <mrmanic|sleep> liars
[07:31] <_phate_> mrmanic|sleep: I'm talking about like the home folder and the my computer icon
[07:32] <_phate_> Tm_T: then what?
[07:32] <Tm_T> _phate_: just check your settings ;)
[07:33] <rkw> hello
[07:33] <_phate_> well the box that says "Show Icons on desktop" is checked but there aren't any.
[07:33] <mrmanic|sleep> _phate_: you might be able to drag from the k menu.
[07:33] <mrmanic|sleep> I don't know what your k menu looks like
[07:33] <rkw> anyone know why i cant mount my xp partition in linux?
[07:33] <mrmanic|sleep> rkw: probably permissions.
[07:34] <mrmanic|sleep> rkw: either that or it's NTFS, but you should be able to mount NTFS readonly, at the very least
[07:34] <rkw> pops up a message that it cant fins a file or something
[07:34] <mrmanic|sleep> what's the exact message?
[07:34] <rkw> i can mount it in other distros ive tried
[07:35] <rkw> cant find /dev/hdc1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[07:36] <mrmanic|sleep> so you have to add /dev/hdc1 to /etc/fstab
[07:36] <rkw> ok....
[07:36] <rkw> do you know how i do that?
[07:36] <mrmanic|sleep> with the user option, I think, so that a user can mount it
[07:36] <rkw> oh
[07:38] <mrmanic|sleep> oh
[07:38] <mrmanic|sleep> haha
[07:38] <mrmanic|sleep> sorry
[07:38] <mrmanic|sleep> that wasn't an explanation of how to add /dev/hdc1 to /etc/fstab
[07:38] <_phate_> Here is a pic of my desktop: http://binarygrind.com/files/k_desk.png
[07:39] <_phate_> I'm missing the icons from the left had side and I would kinda like them
[07:39] <mrmanic|sleep> So put them there
[07:39] <mrmanic|sleep> is there a home icon anywhere on your computer?
[07:39] <_phate_> how? Any why where they removed in the first place?
[07:39] <mrmanic|sleep> in the start menu or something?
[07:40] <mrmanic|sleep> were they ever there?
[07:40] <mrmanic|sleep> I don't think the distribution ships with desktop icons
[07:40] <Tm_T> _phate_: icons? who needs them ;) http://xob.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo_037.png
[07:40] <_phate_> In other distros they are but not in kubuntu for some stupid reason
[07:41] <_phate_> Tm_T: I perfer them
[07:41] <Tm_T> :/
[07:41] <Tm_T> why?
[07:42] <_phate_> because I do, make me feel at home (no pun intended)
[07:42] <Tm_T> =)
[07:42] <rkw> ok now i cant figure out how to save Fstab
[07:42] <rkw> due to permissions
[07:42] <mrmanic|sleep> you have to edit it as root
[07:42] <Tm_T> rkw: what editor
[07:42] <Tm_T> rkw: ah, you should edit it as root
[07:42] <rkw> vi
[07:43] <mrmanic|sleep> sudo vi /etc/fstab
[07:43] <rkw> ah ok
[07:43] <Tm_T> obviously
[07:43] <rkw> thanks
[07:43] <mrmanic|sleep> and then :wq to write and quit
[07:43] <mrmanic|sleep> :)
[07:43] <rkw> im used to -su
[07:43] <rkw> :)
[07:43] <Tm_T> I use rootshell ;p
[07:44] <mrmanic|sleep> I use kwrite
[07:44] <mrmanic|sleep> but I pretty much always sudo
[07:44] <rkw> how do use those with the sudo command?
[07:44] <mrmanic|sleep> sudo kwrite /etc/fstab
[07:44] <mrmanic|sleep> you get some weird permissions issues, but nothing fatal
[07:44] <mrmanic|sleep> I like konversation
[07:45] <mrmanic|sleep> that's what I use
[07:46] <rkw> BAH now im just getting more errors
[07:47] <_phate_> so is there no way to put the icons back without manually making links? in Gnome I just have to click three boxes, this is just plain stupid... :(
[07:47] <mrmanic|sleep> _phate_: You could get someone to send you their Home.desktop files and whatever else you need.
[07:47] <mrmanic|sleep> or copy them from another computer and customize.
[07:48] <KaiL_> _phate_: drag&drop from menu and/or panel might work
[07:49] <mrmanic|sleep> it does
[07:49] <mrmanic|sleep> but there's no home icon in the menu that i see
[07:50] <KaiL_> dnd from konq? (can't test, as konq is deadly broken in breezy)
[07:50] <mrmanic|sleep> the home icon is kind of a pain.
[07:51] <mrmanic|sleep> but it's easy
[07:51] <mrmanic|sleep> just make a shortcut to an application
[07:51] <mrmanic|sleep> and make the application kfmclient openProfile filemanagement
[07:51] <KaiL_> bad, that the "system"-Menu doesn't support DnD :(
[07:51] <Tm_T> haha
[07:52] <rkw> are there any other distros like this?
[07:52] <KaiL_> rkw: like what?
[07:53] <rkw> well ive tried red hat, mandrake, suse, ect but none that autoinstalls everythink like this one (kubuntu)
[07:53] <KaiL_> that's why so many people loke (k)ubuntu :)
[07:53] <KaiL_> love..
[07:54] <rkw> heh
[07:54] <KaiL_> and also why some hate it (the "I have Linux, I am god"-fraction)
[07:54] <rkw> yea
[07:54] <rkw> lol
[07:54] <rkw> well if i could get it to mount my windows partition i would love it
[07:55] <mrmanic|sleep> rkw
[07:55] <mrmanic|sleep> 1 sec
[07:55] <rkw> k
[07:55] <KaiL_> /dev/hda1 /media/windows_c vfat auto,users,dmask=0222,fmask=0333 0 0
[07:56] <KaiL_> /dev/hda1 /media/windows_c ntfs auto,ro,dmask=0222,fmask=0333 0 0
[07:56] <mrmanic|sleep> yeah, like that.
[07:56] <mrmanic|sleep> I was just on my way to doing that.
[07:56] <mrmanic|sleep> KaiL_: don't you need the "user" option to make it user-mountable?
[07:56] <KaiL_> mrmanic|sleep: that's automatic mounting
[07:57] <KaiL_> why mount internal partitions manually?
[07:57] <rkw> thank you :)
[07:58] <mrmanic|sleep> KaiL_: good point!
[07:58] <mrmanic|sleep> <-- BAKA!
[07:59] <mrmanic|sleep> good grief....it's so bedtime
[08:07] <rkw> sweet i got it working
[08:08] <rkw> NOW i love this OS
[08:08] <KaiL_> I hope, this will be automated until breezy becomes final
[08:08] <rkw> breezy?
[08:09] <KaiL_> next ubuntu release, planned for October 2005
[08:10] <rkw> sweet
[08:10] <jsgotangco> hello! does anyone here know who did KUDOS?
[08:13] <dewey> say does kubuntu have kdiskfree in it for a download?
[08:14] <KaiL_> "kdf"...
[08:15] <dewey> KaiL_: where is kdf package?
[08:15] <KaiL_> you need to enable universe in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:16] <dewey> ok
[08:16] <rkw> anyone know how to get wireless cards working that were not autodetected?
[08:16] <KaiL_> rkw: depends on the chip
[08:17] <rkw> built into a dell laptop
[08:17] <KaiL_> look at lspci output
[08:18] <rkw> i have no idea what that is
[08:18] <KaiL_> or easier: kmenu -> system -> info center
[08:18] <KaiL_> there select "PCI" and search for some "Network Adapter"
[08:19] <KaiL_> ...or "network controller"?
[08:19] <KaiL_> hmm, no WLAN here ;)
[08:20] <rkw> anyone know where i can get ndiswrapper?
[08:21] <KaiL_> you only need to install ndiswrapper-utils.
[08:21] <KaiL_> the module already comes with the hoary kernel :)
[08:21] <rkw> how do i get that installed?
[08:21] <KaiL_> .....and I hope for you, it's no Broadcom-Chip
[08:21] <KaiL_> system -> kynaptic
[08:21] <rkw> my luck it prolly is 
[08:22] <KaiL_> you should find out the chip first
[08:22] <rkw> i still dont see it
[08:22] <rkw> looking in networking
[08:22] <KaiL_> at least for Broadcom and RaLink (2 of the most common ones) installing the 2.6.12-pre kernel from breezy is the easiest solution :)
[08:23] <KaiL_> look in PCI
[08:23] <KaiL_> in networking you only see the configured devices
[08:24] <rkw> yup broadcom
[08:24] <KaiL_> as always, the worst you can imagine *g*
[08:25] <rkw> crap
[08:25] <rkw> id almost just buy another card
[08:26] <KaiL_> Broadcom-Chips need an newer ndiswrapper than shipped with hoary
[08:26] <KaiL_> of coz exactly 1 version newer (what else?)
[08:26] <rkw> lol
[08:26] <rkw> i cant even find the option to install ndiswrapper
[08:28] <KaiL_> there's a search option
[08:28] <KaiL_> but as said, installing that version doesn't help. so here: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/Installation
[08:29] <KaiL_> you need to install the kernel headers before. "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`" in a console.
[08:30] <KaiL_> after that the "Prerequisites" step is done ;)
[08:31] <KaiL_> uhm.... if you could download ndiswrapper currently, that is.... *grr*
[08:36] <rkw> heh found a walkthrough on it
[08:37] <rkw> but,,, i cant do anything cause the server is down
[08:38] <KaiL_> ...murphy....:)
[08:39] <KaiL_> same problem, why experienced users always have intel WLAN and newbies boardcom *g*
[08:39] <KaiL_> (the first works out of the box)
[08:52] <rkw> ok ive got another wireless card witl linux drivers,,, filename ends in .gz,, do you know how i install them?
[08:54] <rkw> anyone?
[08:56] <rkw> anyone?
[09:12] <Sputn1k> Sputn1k Im using suse and my were kde broken, clock, K menu button expired, and when i click on minimize button program just expire, how can i fix it?
[09:16] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:25] <gromf> hello everybody !
[09:26] <Tm_T> hullo
[09:28] <gromf> has somebody an acer 4150 laptop ?
[09:35] <SlicerDicer>  67.160.114.35  for ut2004 join up have some fun :)
[10:30] <e-guru> does anybody know how to load a new DSDT table at boot time to ubuntu?
[10:45] <xxenon> wow, nice mess in breezy :)
[10:47] <Tm_T> haha
[10:48] <Tm_T> xxenon: you suppose to expect it
[11:06] <e-guru> does anybody know how to compile DSDT table? iasl tool seems to be missing in kubuntu
[11:14] <Church_of_FoamY> anyone know how to delete directorys in cedega?
[11:20] <amu> e-guru: itt's bit difficult to get them, probably the best is, compile the sources from intel's page 
[11:22] <e-guru> amu: I dont get it, it comes by default distribution of FreeBSD, I am going to compile in freebsd and copy the result
[11:23] <e-guru> amu: thanks, I will reboot
[11:30] <Tm_T> Riddell: bling bling
[11:35] <Riddell> Tm_T: hi
[11:37] <Tm_T> someone asked about http://ianmurdock.com/?p=167
[11:38] <Tm_T> question was "is ubuntu team answered already to murdock?"
[11:51] <SenorT> Hi there ppl
[11:51] <SenorT> does kubuntu recognizes my two pseudo CPUs when using a hyperthreading P4 processor ?
[11:52] <Riddell> SenorT: yes but you'll need to install linux-686-smp
[11:52] <SenorT> Riddell, is that all ? 
[11:53] <Tm_T> I think yes
[11:53] <SenorT> just apt-get install it ? sorry if that is a noobish question, i feared i have to recompile a kernel or sth like that
[11:54] <Riddell> just a quick apt-get install and you're done
[11:54] <Tm_T> SenorT: yes, apt it =)
[11:54] <Tm_T> Riddell: well, any thoughts about that blog?
[11:55] <Riddell> Tm_T: 100% compatible packages isn't going to happen because ubuntu not only wants the latest kde/gnome but also x, glibc and gcc
[11:56] <Tm_T> hmm, but compatibility as far as possible?
[11:56] <Riddell> the gcc transition work we're doing is going to make it a lot lot easier for debian to do it
[11:57] <Tm_T> ok, thank you :)
[11:57] <Riddell> the packages will be compatible as far as possible within that yes
[11:59] <SenorT> anyone in here ever tried to compile wineX cvs ?
[12:01] <Tm_T> SenorT: yes, last summer ;)
[12:03] <SenorT> Tm_T, i get some errors during the configure part, i dunno what to do now
[12:03] <Tm_T> hmm, what kind of errors?
[12:04] <SenorT> 4 warnings (dga extensions Xfree86 vmode, xvideo extensions Xcursor extensions xrenderquery extensions.. all not found)
[12:04] <Tm_T> so install them
[12:04] <SenorT> and 1 error: /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a is present
[12:05] <SenorT> "..this prevents linking to opengl. delete the file and restart configure"
[12:05] <SenorT> shall i delete it really ? 
[12:06] <SenorT> and i dunno what packages i have to apt-get install to get rid of the warnings
[12:06] <Tm_T> "apt-cache search foo"
[12:06] <Tm_T> you can search packages, you know ;)
[12:09] <SenorT> i found nothing when i searched for vmode (warning: xfree86 vmode extensions not found)
[12:09] <SenorT> oh
[12:09] <SenorT> i found kdegraphics, but this is already installed
[12:14] <SenorT> uff, if i install the dev packages, it goes further
[12:17] <SenorT> hi rodolfo 
[12:17] <rodolfo> hi
[12:18] <othernoob> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1469&item=5578003266  lol
[12:20] <rodolfo> I have a problem with the setting of the resolution of my graphics card. it looks like it isn't read properly by xorg
[12:26] <SenorT> i also had these problems
[12:27] <SenorT> what isnt working?
[12:27] <SenorT> cant u set the correct resolution ? or the frequency ?
[12:42] <rodolfo> I had to change all the font sizes, because suddenly the characters were smaller, but I didn't change the resolution, it has always been 1280x1024
[12:57] <Kleggas> when I use another loginmanager than kdm I can't run all kde apps that I want. kopete wont start at all, and kwrite will start after a very long time of idleing trying to connect to dcopserver. how do I fix this?
[01:22] <SenorT> whats the best tool for ripping audio cds and converting them to... ogg or mp3 ?
[01:24] <Riddell> SenorT: audiocd:/
[01:25] <Riddell> there's also kaudiocreator
[01:37] <mikl> Breezy kubuntu - still going strong ;)
[01:58] <Tm_T> mikl: good for you ;)
[02:10] <pointwood> I have a problem with Firefox and Sun's Java
[02:10] <pointwood> testing it with http://gemal.dk/browserspy/java.html
[02:10] <pointwood> it says java is enabled and supported
[02:11] <pointwood> but it doesn't load the applets below :(
[02:16] <hussam> Since Hoary has gnumeric 1.4.2, I rebuilt 1.4.3 from debian sources. YAY.  This is the first time I rebuild/backport a package.
[02:16] <hussam> lol
[04:00] <hussam> how do I make a .deb package from source.tar.gz ?
[04:02] <Riddell> hussam: has it already been made into a debian p
[04:02] <Riddell> hussam: has it already been made into a debian package and you're recompiling?
[04:02] <Riddell> or is this making a package from scratch
[04:03] <hussam> Riddell: first package gnumeric worked, because I used the source from debian repositories to rebuild
[04:04] <hussam> Riddell: I tried the same with konversation 0.17 but it didn't work
[04:05] <hussam> I did apt-get source gnumeric and rebuilt.  It worked perfectly
[04:05] <hussam> but I can't get konversation 0.17 to rebuild
[04:06] <SenorT> how can i add a user to a group ?
[04:06] <SenorT> hi btw
[04:06] <hussam> SenorT: sudo  adduser <username> <group>
[04:06] <SenorT> thx
[04:08] <hussam> Riddell: hoary shipped with konversation 0.16 and I wanted to see what changes went into 0.17
[04:10] <NothingButYou> maybe konversation 0.17 isn't in the repo?
[04:11] <hussam> NothingButYou: it is in debian
[04:11] <hussam> NothingButYou: I'm getting this error:
[04:11] <hussam> tering directory `/home/hussam/Packages/konversation-0.17'
[04:11] <hussam> make[1] : *** No rule to make target `reverse-config'.  Stop.
[04:11] <hussam> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/hussam/Packages/konversation-0.17'
[04:12] <NothingButYou> so there can be something wrong with the source..
[04:12] <Riddell> hussam: you need a newer version of cdbs
[04:12] <Riddell> it should build on breezy
[04:12] <NothingButYou> or that :P
[04:13] <hussam> Riddell: I modified the /debian/control for the cdbs
[04:13] <hussam> I'll try extracting the source and I'll do ./configure and make
[04:15] <hussam> I did ./configure and make, it's compiling fine
[04:15] <Tm_T> looks like unsermake doesn't compile everything
[04:16] <hussam> Riddell: it compiled fined with ./configure and make
[04:18] <Riddell> Tm_T: what doesn't it compile
[04:19] <hussam> Riddell: compiling from source.gz worked.  Is there anyway I can make the .deb from just source.gz ?
[04:19] <Riddell> hussam: nope
[04:20] <Riddell> but make install will install it for you
[04:20] <hussam> Riddell: i know but then I'll have two versions at once.
[04:20] <NothingButYou> why doesn't he do a "make install PREFIX=/anywhere" and then make a package
[04:21] <Riddell> if you install into /usr it'll overwrite the old one
[04:22] <NothingButYou> wasn't there a tool to make a package? :)
[04:23] <hussam> Riddell: where is the old binary installed?
[04:23] <NothingButYou> in /usr
[04:24] <hussam> I found it. the executable is in /usr/bin
[04:25] <NothingButYou> "apt-get remove konversation", then "make install" if you want it that way. Then if you want the old version "make uninstall" and "apt-get install konversation"
[04:25] <hussam> so I should "make install what" to overwrite it?
[04:26] <SenorT> is it possible (for a noob) to "convert" my kubuntu installation from the given reiserfs to reiser4 ?
[04:26] <NothingButYou> hussam: you should do just "make install" Also you should have made "./configure --prefix=/usr"
[04:26] <NothingButYou> to install it in /usr
[04:26] <hussam> oh
[04:27] <hussam> Ok I see
[04:27] <NothingButYou> if you haven't "prefix=/usr" "make clean" and do it again , then "make" and "make install" :):)
[04:28] <hussam> "./configure --prefix=/usr" will place the binary in /usr/bin ?
[04:28] <NothingButYou> yes
[04:28] <hussam> ok thanks buddy
[04:28] <NothingButYou> NP .. ammm another thing
[04:29] <NothingButYou> I think that removeing the old version is.... necessary sometimes
[04:29] <NothingButYou> :)
[04:29] <NothingButYou> to avoid sh*ts :)
[04:29] <NothingButYou> have fun
[04:30] <hussam> if I remove konversation, it'll remove kubuntu-desktop
[04:31] <NothingButYou> well.. it is safe to do that
[04:31] <NothingButYou> maybe..
[04:31] <NothingButYou> that's a metapackage AFAIK
[04:33] <dewey> say I want to mount my usb-zip drive and I can not seem to get it mounted?
[04:35] <NothingButYou> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
USB Iomega Zip 100</body>
[04:35] <NothingButYou> argh..
[04:35] <NothingButYou> USB Iomega zip or something like this?
[04:35] <NothingButYou> dewey: 
[04:37] <dewey> NothingButYou: yes
[04:37] <NothingButYou> I can't help much with that but read this, it may help: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1855.html
[04:37] <dewey> ok thanx
[04:37] <NothingButYou> np
[04:45] <dewey> NothingButYou: dmesg shows my usb zip is there but it does auto mount it at boot-up!
[04:46] <NothingButYou> dewey I haven't read that. I'm sorry. If anybody else can help... :\
[04:49] <hussam> I found checkinstall it will make a .deb
[05:11] <firas> everytime I want to use my printer I have to go to kcontrol right click on my printer and click on "start printer" to use it
[05:11] <firas> is there a way I could automate the process?
[05:14] <fissoz> everytime I want to use my printer I have to go to kcontrol right click on my printer and click on "start printer" to use it
[05:14] <fissoz> is there a way I could automate the process?
[05:21] <NothingButYou> fissoz after you click on start and finish your job, later  when you need to print again (you have not turned off the pc), is the printer working without Start?
[05:21] <fissoz> NothingButYou: yes it is
[05:21] <NothingButYou> and you're working with the CUPS system,right?
[05:22] <fissoz> NothingButYou: yes i am
[05:23] <NothingButYou> well my guess is that it is not started at boot ... 
[05:24] <NothingButYou> if you can modify the processes started at your runlevel so that cups is started (using KSysV or manually) , then I suppose the problem will be gone
[05:24] <NothingButYou> if you have no idea how to do that I will explain this on private
[05:37] <antrix> hello.. anyone around?
[05:38] <shogouki> its not the good question :)
[05:38] <antrix> :)
[05:38] <antrix> just installed kubuntu-desktop .. checking out the apps :)
[05:39] <antrix> one question.. why are the fonts for the GTK apps in KDE so small? They are fine when logged into Gnome.
[05:40] <Tm_T> =)
[05:40] <Tm_T> different configuration
[05:40] <antrix> meaning? 
[05:42] <antrix> Logged in as the same user.. don't gtk apps pick up settings from .gtk* or .gnome*
[05:43] <Tm_T> check font settings from gtk theme switcher
[05:45] <antrix> umm... is that an application? :)  can't find it in menus.. 
[05:45] <antrix> tabbing in bash on gt* - nothing there either
[05:45] <Tm_T> try apt-cache search
[05:45] <antrix> ok
[05:48] <antrix> fixed now!
[05:49] <Tm_T> :)
[05:49] <antrix> although a 12 point Bitstream Mono Sans looks different in GTK and in QT ... have to choose different point sizes to get some consistency...
[05:50] <Tm_T> yup
[05:51] <Tm_T> I use 7p mono font :p
[05:51] <antrix> wow.. i'll go blind with that :)
[05:51] <Tm_T> haha
[05:51] <Tm_T> I even consider 6p fonts
[05:52] <antrix> what's ur display size?
[05:53] <Tm_T> 17" 1280x1024
[05:53] <Tm_T> I wan't 19" 1600x1200
[05:54] <antrix> i am on 15# 1024x768 :(
[05:55] <antrix> just ran across this weird thing.... USB drive connected.. automounted by clicking on desktop icon
[05:55] <antrix> access through media:/ in konqueror
[05:56] <Tm_T> yes?
[05:56] <antrix> now moving files across folders within that mounted drive is triggering
[05:56] <antrix> a copy followed by a delete
[05:57] <antrix> the file copy dialog says moving from file:///media/sda2/foo.bar to media:/sda2/folder/foo.bar
[06:08] <SenorT> anyone here using 7zip ?
[06:09] <SenorT> archive format
[06:10] <antrix> is 7zip a different format?
[06:10] <SenorT> yep
[06:10] <SenorT> there is a kio slave available here: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=17829 but i cannot install it
[06:11] <SenorT> i dont even know what a kio slave is
[06:11] <antrix> it's an abstraction KDE provides for IO devices 
[06:11] <antrix> so you can access cdrom drive thru cdrom:/ and removable media thru media:/ 
[06:12] <SenorT> when trying to ./configure i get a "Qt (>=Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found." and now i dont know what i am missing
[06:13] <SenorT> libqt? libqt3? libqtsomething? i dont know what i should install
[06:13] <psn> SenorT: libqt3-dev
[06:13] <antrix> umm.. you'll have to install the libqt3-dev and libqt3-headers packages
[06:15] <SenorT> k, thanks
[06:15] <antrix> SenorT: have you finished compiling 7zip itself?
[06:16] <SenorT> i just apt-get installed it p7zip sth
[06:17] <SenorT> on the page: "f you want to open a 7zip archive only double-clicking in it, you have to apply a patch to kdebase. This patch is already in kdebase CVS version (20041107), but not in kdebase 3.3.x." 
[06:17] <SenorT> which kde is used in kubuntu ?
[06:17] <antrix> SenorT: 3.4
[06:17] <KaiL|Sheep> 3.4.0 in hoary, 3.4.1 in breezy
[06:17] <SenorT> so this "feature" is already included ?
[06:18] <antrix> yes, should work after you compile the kio slave
[06:18] <SenorT> cool
[06:18] <KaiL> as it has been in CVS in November 2004, it should be in latest release
[06:19] <antrix> SenorT: btw, which repository had p7zip... i can't find it.. can't apt-get install 
[06:20] <SenorT> http://adn.diwi.org/debian/p7zip/
[06:20] <SenorT> there are debs
[06:20] <antrix> ok
[06:20] <firasR> hi all
[06:21] <SenorT> uff, now i get a "you ned kde headers"
[06:22] <SenorT> "in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. So, check this please and use another prefix!"
[06:22] <SenorT> omg, this is like chinese for me
[06:22] <firasR> anyone know if it's safe to uninstall gamin if i'm not using Gnome (i am using a few gtk apps though) ?
[06:22] <firasR> it's always giving me problems when i try to unmount partitions
[06:23] <SenorT> anyone know what i am missing now ?
[06:23] <Tm_T> SenorT: tr to install kde dev packages 
[06:24] <SenorT> Tm_T, kde-devel <-- this one ?
[06:24] <firasR> SenorT:  do u have the kdelibs4-dev package installed ?
[06:24] <SenorT> i dont know, how can i check if i have it installed ?
[06:26] <SenorT> omg another 40 MB, my harddrive gets fuller and fuller
[06:27] <antrix> SenorT: how many 7zipped files do you deal with? Isn't the command line program enough for the occasional file :)
[06:27] <firasR> SenorT:  dpkg -s kdelibs4-dev
[06:27] <SenorT> i have hundreds, i used it to back up my files in windows
[06:27] <SenorT> very good compression
[06:28] <firasR> SenorT:  one of the lines should say "Status: install ok installed"
[06:28] <SenorT> is there a way (sorry if thats a noobish question) to get rid of stuff that i just needed to compile stuff but not for running them ?
[06:28] <firasR> SenorT:  or u could just use Synaptic which is much easier :)
[06:29] <firasR> SenorT:  like these dev packages ?
[06:29] <SenorT> for example, yes
[06:29] <firasR> SenorT:  just uninstall them afterwards:  apt-get remove packagename
[06:30] <SenorT> but how do i know if the applications need them for running ?
[06:30] <antrix> SenorT: they don't need dev packages to run.. only during compile
[06:30] <SenorT> so i can apt-get remove all *-dev packages i find ?
[06:31] <SenorT> sudo apt-get remove *-dev --purge
[06:31] <SenorT> (just guessed, dunno if that would work)
[06:32] <antrix> SenorT: yes.. although don't sue me if it doesn't work out ;)
[06:33] <SenorT> haha, k
[06:33] <SenorT> it compiled 
[06:33] <SenorT> lets see
[06:33] <SenorT> is there a "splitted-window" version of konqueror?
[06:33] <SenorT> coz i dont like the way krusader works
[06:34] <antrix> SenorT: on the status bar at the bottom.. right click
[06:34] <firasR> SenorT:  try a CTRL+T
[06:35] <SenorT> ..a dream come true
[06:35] <firasR> SenorT:  sorry u said split, not tab, my bad
[06:35] <SenorT> np
[06:35] <SenorT> ok, the kio thingie compile, make and make install are done
[06:35] <firasR> SenorT:  u'r "sudo apt-get remove *-dev --purge" wouldn't work by the way
[06:35] <SenorT> but clicking .7z files doesnt work
[06:35] <firasR> SenorT:  tried it
[06:35] <SenorT> argh
[06:36] <SenorT> hehe
[06:36] <antrix> SenorT: accessing it via the kioslave works?
[06:36] <SenorT> no, but ill try that now
[06:37] <firasR> SenorT:  u really should just use Synaptic, it'll make ur life easier 
[06:37] <SenorT> nope "protocoll not supported p7zip"
[06:37] <antrix> firasR: my thoughts exactly!
[06:38] <antrix> SenorT: hmm.. maybe KDE needs a restart to pickup the new protocol? 
[06:38] <SenorT> ill try
[06:38] <SenorT> cu in 5 minutes
[06:38] <antrix> SenorT : wait
[06:38] <firasR> SenorT:  u could however use "dpkg -rP --simulate *-dev"
[06:39] <SenorT> what ?
[06:39] <antrix> SenorT: KMenu>System>KInfoCenter
[06:39] <firasR> SenorT:  remove the --simulate option once ur sure that's what u wanna do
[06:39] <SenorT> im still here
[06:39] <SenorT> antrix, ok, im there
[06:39] <antrix> SenorT: Check protocols there - in KInfocenter
[06:40] <antrix> SenorT: Then try logging back in and check there again :)
[06:40] <SenorT> ok its not there
[06:40] <SenorT> il logout/in now
[06:41] <firasR> by the way, what's SenorT tryin' to get working ?
[06:42] <firasR> 7zip plugin for konqueror or somethin' ?
[06:43] <SenorT> i loged in now
[06:43] <SenorT> still no p7zip or 7zip
[06:44] <SenorT> damn
[06:45] <NothingButYou> does ARK open it?
[06:46] <SenorT> it says 7za not in my path
[06:46] <SenorT> YES
[06:47] <SenorT> ARK opens it
[06:48] <x2peistu> anyone here ??
[06:48] <SenorT> ok ark can open it (only readable) but any ideas why the kio feature didnt work ?
[06:48] <x2peistu> need some help
[06:48] <NothingButYou> m... konqueror-plugins or addons..
[06:48] <NothingButYou> SenorT
[06:49] <x2peistu> kubuntu won't let me login root
[06:49] <NothingButYou> are zip files opened in konqueror?
[06:49] <SenorT> yes
[06:49] <NothingButYou> x2peistu: see the private
[06:49] <NothingButYou> mmm then maybe it cannot.. don't know
[06:50] <antrix> NothingButYou: SenorT was trying to install a kio_slave from kde-apps.org which offers 7zip format access
[06:50] <antrix> like zip:/ 
[06:51] <dewey> so how do I get kaffeine to play encrypted dvds?
[06:51] <antrix> SenorT: where's 7za installed? Did the command line version work for you?
[06:51] <SenorT> yes
[06:52] <SenorT> i can "7za -l file.7z" in bash
[06:52] <antrix> then the 'not in path' error sounds strange
[06:52] <firasR> dewey:  http://ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[06:52] <antrix> maybe contact author?
[06:53] <antrix> dewey: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#libdvdcss2
[06:54] <antrix> Tm_T: still here?
[06:54] <SenorT> i copied the 7za from my home binary (where i compiled it yesterday) to /usr/loca/bin and now the error doesnt appear anymore
[06:54] <dewey> thanx
[06:55] <antrix> SenorT: ok.. well, congrats :)
[06:55] <SenorT> ok, now i can open the files in ark, in konqueror would be .. nice
[06:56] <antrix> SenorT: io slave didn't show up in Kinfocenter?
[06:56] <SenorT> nope
[06:58] <antrix> SenorT: should contact author then i suggest.
[06:58] <SenorT> sth else: i want to clean up my kubuntu a bit, but when trying to remove kamera kynaptic wants to remove kdegraphics and kubuntu-destop
[06:58] <NothingButYou> SenorT: they're just metapackages
[06:58] <SenorT> i dont understand, i dont need camera support (thats what kamera is about) but why deinstalling kubuntu dekstop ?
[06:58] <firasR> SenorT:  it's a part of those metapackages
[06:58] <SenorT> aha
[06:59] <firasR> SenorT:  makes for easier upgrades and installs
[07:01] <NothingButYou> _root: success I see :)
[07:01] <_root> yeah ;)
[07:04] <Tm_T> antrix: yup
[07:04] <SenorT> argh, i now removed some packages with kynaptic. mplayer-386 was one of them
[07:04] <antrix> Tm_T: no.. just wondering why Firefox didn't pick up the font settings... 
[07:04] <SenorT> sonce i use a p4 i tried to install mplayer-686
[07:05] <antrix> Tm_T: Then found setxdpi on Unofficial Kubuntu guide
[07:05] <SenorT> but it wont let me
[07:05] <antrix> Tm_T: now need to restart X to see if it fixes Firefox... 
[07:05] <firasR> SenorT:  try mplayer-586
[07:06] <firasR> SenorT:  mplayer-686 is a "transitional dummy package which can be safely removed
[07:06] <firasR> Dummy package to upgrade to the new package mplayer-586"
[07:06] <SenorT> missing dependencies: libavcodecscvs, libc6, libfontconfig libvorbis0a xmms
[07:06] <antrix> is the marillat repo safe to use again for mplayer?
[07:06] <SenorT> E: broken packages
[07:07] <SenorT> antrix, works for my VDR machine in the living room
[07:07] <SenorT> why doesn't apt resolve these dependencies ?
[07:07] <antrix> marillat + ubuntu ? or marillat + debian?
[07:07] <SenorT> antrix, my VDR is a somewhat woody machine, very stripped
[07:08] <SenorT> when i tried to build a freevo box, i also used the marillat packages
[07:08] <antrix> last I heard, Sid and marillat moved to some updated libraries which broke compatibility with Ubuntu
[07:08] <SenorT> oh
[07:08] <antrix> since then, i've disabled that repo and compiled my own mplayer
[07:08] <SenorT> k
[07:09] <SenorT> then ill do that too (i managed to compile mplayer under windows, so i got to manage that in kubuntu)
[07:09] <antrix> compiling mplayer is the easiest thing.. as long as you have all the *-dev packages installed :)
[07:10] <SenorT> aah, u mean the ones i removed 5 minutes ago ?
[07:11] <antrix> probably not.. u removed kde-dev and qt-dev i guess.. not needed for mplayer
[07:11] <antrix> in any case.. with luck. u might still be caching the downloaded debs in /var/cache/apt/
[07:11] <antrix> :)
[07:12] <firasR> SenorT:  unless u did an apt-get clean as well (which i hope u didn't do)
[07:12] <SenorT> hmm, ./configure gave me: disabled: xvid, when i try to install libxvid4 i cant because libc6 is the wrong version
[07:12] <firasR> :)
[07:13] <antrix> don't need xvid -  ffmpeg decodes xvid quite nicely
[07:13] <firasR> SenorT:  what's wrong with the mplayer in multiverse ?
[07:13] <SenorT> its held back for a reason i dont know
[07:13] <antrix> SenorT: I suggest you disable marillat and apt-get update first 
[07:14] <SenorT> every time i apt-get-ed sth i got: held packages: mplayer-386 gstreamer...
[07:15] <SenorT> ok sources.list updated, updating...
[07:15] <SenorT> now apt-get upgrade ?
[07:16] <firasR> SenorT:  search for mplayer-586 mark it for install and upgrade ur other packages as well
[07:16] <SenorT> k
[07:17] <antrix> ok.. gotta go sleep. good luck SenorT!
[07:17] <SenorT> thanks for your help
[07:17] <SenorT> what is better: apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade ?
[07:17] <antrix> no probs
[07:18] <SenorT> or what the difference ?
[07:18] <NothingButYou> dist-upgrade is better
[07:19] <NothingButYou> the other may break some things generally
[07:20] <SenorT> k, thank you
[07:23] <SenorT> Hi JensK nice to see german ppl here
[07:23] <Tm_T> Riddell: I got some errors when I tried to compile fuse kernel module using unsermake
[07:24] <Riddell> well yes, linux doesn't use the KDE build system
[07:26] <Riddell> unsermake only works with KDE
[07:28] <Tm_T> yeah, I noticed =)
[07:29] <Tm_T> I just wanted to try it
[07:29] <Tm_T> if
[07:35] <mrmanic|sleep> haha
[07:35] <mrmanic|sleep> Tm_T: that's classic
[07:35] <mrmanic|sleep> :)
[07:36] <Tm_T> yeah, I like to test things
[07:38] <spiral> hello
[07:38] <spiral> hmmm, sorry... I've got a problem with kdevelop... When I run debug on a console C program, I don't see the console...
[07:38] <spiral> but when I run it normally, I see it...
[07:38] <spiral> do you know what misses ?
[07:43] <NothingButYou> I don't
[07:43] <spiral> does anyone else have an idea ?
[08:03] <elkrammer> hi, anyone here uses kubuntu ppc?
[08:31] <dnakata> The enemy is weakened!
[08:31] <dnakata> Jawol!
[08:32] <Tm_T> eh?
[09:09] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: Is kynaptic in a CVS or SVN repository somewhere?
[09:13] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: svn https://oops.kerneljanitors.org/repos/synaptic/branches/kynaptic/
[09:16] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: Great! thanks...
[09:18] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: but hopefully we'll be using Kapture at some point instead of kynaptic
[09:19] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: I'll take a look at Kapture. kynaptic needed a serious overhaul, but if you're moving to something else, I won't bother trying to fix it (kynaptic).
[09:34] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: is Kapture in a working state yet? (I found it in the KDE SVN)
[09:35] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: I suspect it isn't
[09:36] <Riddell> you probably need libapt-front as well first
[09:36] <Riddell> which is somewhere on alioth
[09:36] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: thanks
[09:40] <istari> hmm ... breezy is broken didnt thought so, after most of the kde packages got uninstalled :P
[09:44] <Tm_T> haha
[09:44] <\sh> Riddell: r u running kde3.4.1?
[09:44] <Tm_T> istari: you're surprised?
[09:45] <istari> Tm_T: aehm ... not realy
[09:45] <Tm_T> heh
[09:46] <\sh> i need a test patient ;) for breezy and kde 3.4.1preSomething  and a windowtheme ;)
[09:46] <\sh> who wants to volunteer? ,-)
[09:46] <Tm_T> haha
[09:47] <\sh> come on guys, no risk no fun ;)
[09:47] <Riddell> \sh: nope
[09:47] <Riddell> \sh: but I have a chroot with it
[09:47] <Tm_T> \sh: well...
[09:47] <\sh> Riddell: so u can start apps and such things? nice...
[09:47] <Tm_T> \sh: if you get pykde packages to me ;)
[09:47] <Riddell> well, so I can make the packages :)
[09:48] <philipacamaniac> \sh: I can run it on a vmware machine, but it'll take a few hours to be ready :)
[09:48] <\sh> Tm_T: i would like to give it to you, when python-kde moved to universe ;)
[09:48] <\sh> Riddell: the packages r already made ;) 
[09:49] <Tm_T> :/
[09:49] <\sh> Riddell: http://ubuntu.linux-server.org/?path=qinx
[09:49] <\sh> Tm_T: I'm in start position...
[09:49] <Tm_T> :)
[09:50] <\sh> Tm_T: the source is patched and sources are likeley accepted, but the build-dep will be moved
[09:50] <Tm_T> hmm, ok
[09:54] <x2peistu> how can i download Q3 arena?
[09:56] <spiral> hmmm, could anyone tell me how I could install konversation & amarok in french under kubuntu hoary ?
[10:06] <Tm_T> hmh
[10:06] <Tm_T> just install them
[10:06] <Tm_T> they supposed to follow KDE locale settings
[10:07] <shogouki> spiral: sudo apt-get install kde-i18n-fr
[10:27] <spiral> shogouki: I've allready got this, but konversation & amaroK aren't translated
[10:31] <shogouki> spiral: kopete est en franais chez moi, mai pass konversation
[10:32] <istari> hmmm .. is there any timeplan for the g++ and dbus migration?
[10:33] <spiral> shogouki: ouaip, & amaroK ?
[10:33] <shogouki> spiral: en anglais
[10:34] <spiral> shogouki: ouaip, pareil pr moi... mais ma copine aime pas trp l'anglais
[10:34] <kay> Hello, my wpasupplication in Breezy does not work after boot. Only manual /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant will associate it
[10:34] <kay> How can this be? I see it running after boot... it should work 
[10:35] <philipacamaniac> How do we close bugs on Launchpad Malone (universe bugs)?
[10:39] <philipacamaniac> nevermind. figure it out. I HATE the malone interface. On the other hand, I love the Ubuntu bugzilla interface.
[10:42] <othernoob> anyone know of a math prog that will do polynomdivision and not only deliver the result but also show the way how it got the result ?
[10:43] <kay> Can somebody look up for me (and tell me how to to that) which packages contain X11/extensions/render.h
[10:43] <kay> ?
[10:45] <philipacamaniac> packages.ubuntu.com
[10:46] <philipacamaniac> libdevel/render-dev
[10:47] <philipacamaniac> er, uh... render-dev
[10:47] <kay> Thanks, I wanted to know that site for long, never found a link
[10:47] <kay> I am compiling KDE SVN and X11 migration hurt somewhat
[11:02] <StR> hi there...
[11:03] <SenorT> back
[11:04] <SenorT> hmm, why does the performance monitor only show one cpu ? i have a p4 with HT enabled ?
[11:04] <StR> If you speack spanish, pls join #kubuntu-es
[11:05] <crimsun> SenorT: uname -a
[11:05] <SenorT> Linux kubuntu 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Fri May 20 13:52:48 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:06] <crimsun> two things, actually
[11:06] <crimsun> 1) -386 doesn't support smp
[11:06] <SenorT> oh
[11:06] <crimsun> 2) the errata kernels disable HT by default for security reasons
[11:06] <SenorT> so my system isnt using hyperthreading atm ?
[11:07] <crimsun> no, because not only would it be disabled by default but the kernel doesn't have support for it compiled in
[11:07] <StR> SenorT: nop
[11:07] <SenorT> and how can i enable it ?
[11:07] <crimsun> install -686-smp
[11:08] <crimsun> then you need to think very carefully whether it's worth the security tradeoff
[11:08] <StR> I remember something about getting the root password because of the HT
[11:08] <StR> I read it in /.
[11:08] <SenorT> sudo apt-get install linux-image-686-smp ?
[11:08] <SenorT> i read that too
[11:08] <crimsun> yes
[11:09] <StR> that was not a problem for single user boxes
[11:09] <crimsun> you'd have to boot with ht=on
[11:09] <crimsun> I'd leave HT disabled
[11:09] <SenorT> ht=on.. /boot/grub/menu.lst <- there ?
[11:09] <crimsun> sure
[11:10] <crimsun> remember, it's a rather glaring security hole
[11:10] <StR> SenorT: yes, or @booting
[11:10] <SenorT> erm.. @booting ?
[11:10] <SenorT> i dont understand
[11:10] <crimsun> when you boot
[11:10] <crimsun> at the grub prompt
[11:11] <SenorT> k, ill be back
[11:15] <othernoob> crimsun why is ht a security risk ?
[11:17] <StR> othernoob: because you can get root pass 
[11:18] <othernoob> StR just because of hyperthreading ?
[11:18] <x2peistu> i need some help with linux
[11:18] <x2peistu> pls
[11:18] <x2peistu> private me
[11:19] <Riddell> \sh: qinx package works find in breezy
[11:19] <osh> x2peistu: Or you could just ask your question here and someone will probably respond... :-)
[11:20] <x2peistu> how can i get fonts for linux open office?
[11:20] <Riddell> \sh: make sure it's up to date on the MOTU Candidate packages page and I'll take a closer look at it soon
[11:20] <StR> othernoob: yes...
[11:20] <StR> x2peistu: what??
[11:20] <osh> x2peistu: other than the ones already installed?
[11:20] <othernoob> StR care to elaborate ?
[11:20] <x2peistu> yeah
[11:20] <x2peistu> ???
[11:21] <x2peistu> can you help me?
[11:21] <StR> othernoob: it was posted in /.   ut I think it is for *BSD and solaris... don't remember if it was demostrated to be a real problem in GNU/Linux
[11:21] <x2peistu> StR??
[11:21] <philipacamaniac> I found a fix for the evil kcontrol Administrator Mode bug: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=189606
[11:21] <\sh> Riddell: thx...it's up2date on motunewpackages..ready for review :)
[11:21] <osh> x2peistu: I have no idea. Probably there are fonts availible for download somewhere but I haven't done anything similar. I'm quite content with the fonts already installed.
[11:22] <x2peistu> so there are..........
[11:23] <crimsun> othernoob: it is possible to gain information that normally would not be available
[11:23] <StR> x2peistu: the fonts that work in Windows also work in ubuntu
[11:23] <crimsun> othernoob: if you're familiar with the concept of covert channels and passive timing attacks, it should ring a bell
[11:24] <x2peistu> and how do i use them
[11:24] <x2peistu> ???????
[11:24] <x2peistu> where do i copy them?
[11:24] <StR> look in konsole
[11:25] <StR> there is a way to install the fonts there...
[11:25] <x2peistu> what comand?
[11:26] <StR> in the control center...
[11:26] <StR> kontrol... don't remember what the command is..
[11:27] <ahmeni> kcontrol
[11:27] <ahmeni> under System Administration > Font Installer
[11:27] <x2peistu> i am new ..........i don t know this things
[11:27] <philipacamaniac> To install fonts system wide, you'll have to press the Administrator Button
[11:27] <x2peistu> i am using Kubuntu  for the first time
[11:28] <x2peistu> today
[11:28] <philipacamaniac> Administrator Mode, that is
[11:28] <StR> x2peistu: the kontrol center where you configure everithing in kde
[11:29] <DefHandz> Anyone know where I can find the wxPython 2.6 binaries?
[11:29] <DefHandz> The site doesn't have them for ANY Linux.
[11:29] <x2peistu> in the konsole?
[11:29] <StR> x2peistu: no... look @ the menu.... there is som kontrol center something...
[11:30] <DefHandz> no..
[11:30] <DefHandz> Oh
[11:30] <DefHandz> O_o
[11:30] <x2peistu> found it
[11:30] <StR> any1?  what is the command to call the kontrol center?
[11:30] <mrmanic> kcontrol
[11:30] <x2peistu> what should i do next
[11:30] <x2peistu> ?
[11:31] <StR> x2peistu: look for somehting call fonts...  at the end of the options tree
[11:31] <dnakata> finally get to try kubuntu-amd64
[11:32] <dnakata> on my new Asus A8N-E AMD64 s939 system
[11:32] <dnakata> good ol' Venice AMD64 3000+ :)
[11:32] <ahmeni> Apollon says: "Please install the KDE multimedia-video package to enable the media player.", is there a package in apt that has what I need?
[11:32] <dnakata> most importantly, the sporty ASUS NVidia 6600GT/TD128 PCI-Express it'll have on it
[11:32] <StR> anyone with breezy?
[11:33] <dnakata> ahmeni: kdemultimedia
[11:33] <DefHandz> Anyone know where I can find the wxPython 2.6 binaries?
[11:33] <dnakata> for kubuntu?
[11:33] <StR> DefHandz: nope. why do you want to use wxPython?
[11:35] <DefHandz> Soulseek
[11:35] <SenorT> back
[11:35] <SenorT> with 686 smp enabled
[11:35] <SenorT> but confusing: kopete doesnt start anymore after reboot
[11:36] <StR> SenorT: but dou you see 2 CPU now?
[11:36] <SenorT> yep
[11:37] <SenorT> kopete is strange
[11:37] <StR> SenorT:  did you upgrade it?
[11:37] <SenorT> there was a process of kopete left that didnt want to close
[11:37] <SenorT> now it restartet
[11:37] <SenorT> yes
[11:37] <SenorT> i apt-get dist-upgraded
[11:37] <SenorT> or what do u mean ?
[11:37] <hans_> when is start mplayer an error message says: new_face failed. maybe the font path is wrong.      any suggestions?
[11:37] <StR> SenorT: did you upgrade the kopete.. it was having some problems with MSN-password
[11:37] <SenorT> hans, funny nick
[11:38] <SenorT> how should i upgrade kopete ?
[11:38] <StR> hans_: use kaffeine
[11:38] <hans_> SenorT yours too :P
[11:38] <StR> SenorT: you are using hary, right?
[11:38] <SenorT> yes
[11:38] <StR> Senor: and when was the last time you did  apt-get dist-upgrade?
[11:39] <SenorT> 10 minutes ago
[11:39] <StR> SenorT: ok....
[11:39] <StR> SenorT:  and kopete is still not working?
[11:39] <SenorT> it runs now
[11:39] <SenorT> and behaves good atm
[11:39] <StR> SenorT:  so.. it is ok now...
[11:39] <SenorT> kopete always caused an error when i shut the box down
[11:39] <SenorT> yes StR , thanks
[11:40] <StR> SenorT: ok
[11:40] <StR> anyone here speaking spanish?
[11:41] <SenorT> the guys is #kubuntu-es speak spanish, i think
[11:41] <SenorT> someone invited hispanospeaking ppl to that channel
[11:41] <StR> I created #kubuntu-es... but no1 joins the channel...
[11:42] <StR> and the ppl in #ubuntu-es use gnome.... :P
[11:42] <StR> XP
[11:42] <SenorT> XP is my second choice in grub, :D
[11:42] <StR> LOL!!!   
[11:43] <StR> xP  <-- face with closed eyes
[11:43] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: I can't find much info on sudoers or sudo. Is it safe to add What does adding  system_username to the file?
[11:43] <StR> :P
[11:43] <SenorT> no i just have to find a superkaramba plugin that uses both cpus
[11:43] <StR> philipacamaniac: what do you wnat to do with sudoers?
[11:43] <philipacamaniac> sorry cut and paste problem
[11:43] <philipacamaniac> I've added system_username to the end
[11:44] <philipacamaniac> It seems to work alright, and now my KControl Administrator Mode works!
[11:44] <philipacamaniac> but, I'm concerned about security
[11:44] <hans_> where can i "show" kaffeine the path to the codecs?
[11:45] <StR> hans_: my keffenine works with the defalt conf with all my codecs... I didn't need to configure that
[11:46] <hans_> i cant play .bin files with kaffeine but with mplayer it works fine
[11:46] <StR> .bin?
[11:47] <hans_> yes
[11:47] <StR> hans_? what kind of files are .bin?
[11:47] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: no idea what that would do, seems unlikely to me that it would do anything
[11:47] <SenorT> .bin are cd image files
[11:47] <hans_> image files i think
[11:47] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: it won't be unsafe
[11:47] <SenorT> they are image files, normally together with .cue files
[11:47] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: That's good. BTW, it really seems to have fixed the Administrator Mode bug.
[11:47] <SenorT> cue/bin <-- so called cdrwin images
[11:48] <SenorT> sth like .iso, only different..
[11:48] <StR> SenorT:  I think .bin files are generic files.. like .dat
[11:48] <Riddell> hmm
[11:48] <SenorT> yes, but if some1 says, " i want to play .bin files in xyz player" he normally means images of svcds or sth like that
[11:48] <StR> they DO are cue/bin files... but I have seen install scripts called installer.bin.... so you understand you have to chmod +xxx them
[11:49] <SenorT> sure
[11:49] <StR> hans_: could you do a ... file file.bin?
[11:49] <hans_> say again...
[11:50] <SenorT> do "file /path/to/file.bin"
[11:50] <StR> like if your file is...     someWeirdarchive.bin ...  type:  file  someWeirdarchive.bin
[11:51] <StR> hans_: what dou you get?
[11:51] <SenorT> i found a .cue/.bin image on my hd, the bin file is "data" the cue file is "ASCII text, with CRLF line terminators"
[11:51] <SenorT> "data" is very... special
[11:51] <hans_> sw3vcd2.bin.bin: data
[11:51] <StR> SenorT:   data is very generic....
[11:51] <SenorT> vcd.. its an image of a vcd
[11:52] <StR> hmm.. it do is a vcd...
[11:52] <SenorT> if i had to guess
[11:52] <StR> hans_ mount it as a look device..  copy the biggest file and rename it to mpg....
[11:52] <SenorT> are there linux apps that can "mount" or read .bin images ?
[11:52] <hans_> thats a good question SenorT
[11:53] <SenorT> AVSEQ1.DAT should be the biggest
[11:53] <SenorT> but just copying is a bad idea if u want to burn it again
[11:53] <StR> SenorT: try doing that...    read the man about mounting a look device...
[11:53] <SenorT> aha
[11:53] <uniq> philipacamaniac: what's the output of 'id' for your user? (konsole)
[11:54] <philipacamaniac> uniq: looks like it did before, member of adm, dialout, cdrom, etc... all the group memberships are the same
[11:55] <uniq> philipacamaniac: and you are member of the admin group?
[11:55] <philipacamaniac> yes
[11:55] <uniq> hmm.
[11:56] <philipacamaniac> that is the default behaviour for Ubuntu
[11:56] <uniq> and adding 'yourusername ALL=(ALL) ALL' to sudoers fixes your admin mode problems? 
[11:57] <philipacamaniac> um, no, adding 'system_username ALL=(ALL) ALL'
[11:57] <philipacamaniac> verbatim