[12:02] ok... i leave you guys again... have a nice day [12:02] night all! [12:02] night dholbach [12:02] <\sh> cu dholbach :) [12:02] nigh Nafallo [12:02] <\sh> have a good night :) [12:02] bye [12:03] bye === dholbach [~daniel@td9091d5f.pool.terralink.de] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Verlassend"] [12:09] well.. i'm going too [12:09] bye all [12:09] <\sh> g'night ivoks === schweeb [~chris@216.139.8.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:39] <\sh> good night folks :) cu tomorrow === Mithrandir [~tfheen@vawad.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [~tritium@12-202-89-11.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:30] hi [01:30] hi tseng === bradb [~bradb@modemcable141.58-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blahrus [erbm@12-223-50-121.client.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [~tritium@12-202-89-11.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [02:52] any MOTUs here for NEW package review? === Burgundavia [~corey@S01060011951c5300.du.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:03] sure, ~20 mins [03:07] hm ok [03:07] let me upload this [03:08] http://tseng.ath.cx/mono/boo/ [03:12] thanks. === ajmitch is reviewing too [03:19] rock on! [03:19] ajmitch: dude [03:19] gar [03:19] ajmitch: http://tseng.ath.cx/images/bootest.png [03:19] :1:> dpkg-source -x *dsc [03:19] dpkg-source: error: file boo_0.5.4.1629-0ubuntu1.diff.gz has size 1377 instead of expected 1348 [03:19] hm? [03:19] ill upload again [03:19] or rebuild the source package again [03:19] yep [03:20] nice demo [03:20] try that [03:21] yeah i am going to build a monodevelop-boo when we are done [03:21] and meebey checks off on it [03:21] nasty proxies [03:23] where's the rest of the description? [03:23] in debian/control [03:24] im not sure what to do about the rest [03:24] thats the blurb on the website [03:24] upstream is crack, if they're distributing binaries, not source [03:24] well [03:25] binaries are autotooled [03:25] source is NANT [03:25] evil [03:25] and since the binary is the same for everyone, that is what other people are shipping [03:25] http://docs.codehaus.org/display/BOO/Packaging+Boo [03:25] I don't like it, but it might have to do [03:26] yeah [03:33] plenty of lintian warnings [03:34] oh i forgot to run that [03:34] missing manpages, complaints about the description, etc [03:34] it even complains about NEWS & README being 0 bytes [03:35] elmo: boo: unknown-control-file clilibs [03:35] that's usual [03:35] Bah irssi autocomplete you suck [03:35] elmo: disregard autocomplete crack [03:38] ok, not really much else I can check at the moment === ajmitch will bbl [03:44] yeah ill fix those [03:44] grr manpages [03:45] oh i need to chmod 644 those [03:45] dll's === spacey_ki [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [~jaldhar@pcp09354467pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === schweeb__ [~chris@216.139.8.4] has joined #ubuntu-motu === wasabi [~wasabi@c-67-174-81-195.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:25] Question about multiverse. I have a package, I'd like to upgrade it. It is free, but doesn't build from source YET. [05:25] Not for ubuntu, right? [05:25] s/upgrade/upload/ [05:26] what package? [05:26] why would it be in multiverse if it's free? [05:26] eclipse. [05:26] Because it's java. [05:26] afaik eclipse isn't really free, but I could be wrong [05:26] (I really should know this) [05:26] multiverse is not equiv to non-free is it. === crimsun checks [05:26] eclipse is free. [05:26] what licence does it use? [05:27] the license is the important part [05:27] is it DFSG free? [05:27] Yesa. [05:27] Yes. [05:27] Hey, ew don't need to go thru this part. I got this part handled. ;) [05:27] The question is about packages without source deps. [05:27] Debian contrib style. [05:27] That != multiverse, right? [05:28] contrib is universe, unless I am talking out my ass again [05:28] non-free = multiverse [05:28] contrib is universe. [05:28] Uh. [05:28] correct. [05:28] I'd disagree. [05:28] http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/eclipse-platform [05:28] contrib [05:28] contrib in debian doesn't require dependencies to exist. [05:28] At all. [05:28] So stuff that depends on non-free stuff ends up there. [05:28] For instance, things that only compile with SUn's VM. [05:29] afaik EPLed Eclipse could possibly go into universe if it runs with gjc [05:29] gcj [05:29] It doesn't. [05:29] Hence why I'm here. [05:29] (yet) [05:29] welp, you answered your own question [05:29] RH is doing work with GCJ and eclipse, no? [05:29] Did I? [05:29] How so? [05:30] I don't think I dod. [05:30] Burgundavia, they are not compiling it's dependencies. [05:30] your question regarding non-free, not multiverse in particular [05:30] I really don't understand java, other than it is a licencing mess [05:30] It depends on Tomcat5 (in progress) and lucene. [05:30] what was your question regarding multiverse? [05:30] multiverse != contrib? [05:31] multiverse having things that depend on non-free [05:31] (or being non-free, etc.) [05:31] Things that Do Not Exist At All, more specifically. [05:32] so you had a question... :) [05:32] Yeah and it's not been answered. [05:32] =/ [05:32] hmm, trying to see your question [05:32] are you asking whether ubuntu multiverse can have it? [05:33] Yes! [05:33] does it b-d on a non-free java compiler? [05:33] Is multiverse like contrib, can multiverse take binary uploads with unresolvable dependencies, like contrib. [05:33] Yes. It does. [05:33] A non-free compiler that will have no presense in Ubuntu at all. [05:34] I think TB members are in a better position to answer that question, but my gut says it can exist in multiverse. [05:34] like eagle. [05:37] (http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/e/eagle/4.11-8ubuntu1/eagle_4.11-8ubuntu1_20050417-2241-i386-successful.bz2) [05:39] wow i didnt know eagle was a pcb layout software [05:39] eagle contains a binary, so all the build does it wrap it in a deb. [05:39] does is^ === jsgotangco used to work in pcb design [05:42] cool :) [05:50] yeah i used to work for this company called pycon.com even before we had the PyCon python thing hehe [05:54] nice. [06:00] does anyone know how i can get the sqlite pkg-config file? [06:01] should be in libsqlite3-dev [06:01] *facepalm* [06:03] libsqlite0-dev, actually [06:06] ah, 2.8? [06:07] I presumed you were referring to 3.0 [06:14] well, libsqllite3-dev installs sqlite3.pc [06:14] oh, i forgot to add a .pc === bur[n] er [~norml@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === minghua [~minghua@ppp-70-246-27-204.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [~minghua@ppp-70-246-27-204.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === whiprush [~jorge@arslinux.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0276.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:19] morning === uniq [charlie@gw.ipv6.lnix.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === womble [~mpalmer@220-245-224-46-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === schweeb [~chris@216.139.8.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === aisipos [~anton@dsl081-081-225.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fwiffo [~fwiffo@dhcpserver0.oersted.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MarioOs [~chatzilla@cmung1683.cmu.carnet.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === schweeb__ [~chris@216.139.8.4] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:41] <\sh> morning [09:41] morning, and hi \sh :) [09:43] <\sh> *yawn* === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0276.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:03] ok, it's time to make a real ubuntu server distribution :) [10:04] good luck :) [10:04] with cfengine2, ldap and open mosix [10:04] this sucks... i have 60 computer NFS mounting root [10:05] configuration for every maching is over 100MB [10:05] whats wrong with cfengine2 in hoary or breezy? [10:05] siretart: nothing [10:05] ok. :) [10:05] they are fine [10:06] but they need to be included while server installation starts [10:06] not as packages, but as configuration [10:06] how do you get the cfengine keys at installation time on the computer? [10:07] siretart: same way you get SSH keys ;) after reboot [10:07] ah, that means that you always recreate them after installation, yes? how do they get then on the config server? [10:08] ? [10:08] you have one server [10:08] and 60 clients [10:08] every client has it's own keys, as server does [10:09] perhaps we have too diffrent setups to compare. I have a setup here with less clients (6 ;)) - but they all have their own harddrive and boot on their own [10:09] siretart: that's i'm going to do too [10:09] i'm sick of this NFS root [10:10] imagine 60 computers mounting everything from single server [10:10] they run like crap [10:10] so i will make them mount only /home over NFS [10:11] i'll setup LDAP for users and machines [10:11] ah. then you'll see the problem soon. The server has a list of 'trusted' keys. Either you find some way to preserve the cfengine keys, or some way is needed that the new created keys are accepted on the config host (as far as I understood it) [10:11] and with cfengine they'll do upgrades/changes [10:11] siretart: that's not problem [10:11] no? [10:12] every client will create it's own key which will be transfered to server [10:12] <\sh> I would like to see something like the sun solaris enterprise extensions [10:12] it's dumb work, but... === schweeb [~chris@216.139.8.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:12] ivoks: you mean, manually? [10:13] siretart: scp :) [10:13] oh :( [10:13] well, any better ideas? [10:13] i won't do all 60 in one day :) [10:13] this wasn't an option for us. [10:13] why? [10:14] <\sh> ivoks: check this out: http://catalog.sun.com/productinfo.xml?site=DE_GER&catalogue=FC&segment=FC_R&item=FC_SC_CAT&group=2005&fid=5087&id=12477 === Gervystar [~gervystar@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:14] because we are not always available. the local guy running the cafe has absolutly no knowlegde about adminning, but must be able to reinstall the machine [10:14] ah :)) [10:14] why reinstall? [10:14] so we really need a really fully automated installation [10:15] \sh: ? [10:15] siretart: kickstart? [10:15] siretart: kickstart has option of running scripts after installation [10:15] <\sh> ivoks: those clients can share hardware between other clients, with the server software installed [10:15] <\sh> usb over ethernet [10:15] reinstall is discouraged, yes. but it's needed from time to time, perheps because he messes up the partitions with a windoze installation, or because hard drive failure or so [10:15] so, you can put key on CD and just copy it [10:16] \sh: hardware isn't the problem... i have spare monitors and stuff :) [10:16] <\sh> u have smartcard handling, where u have your session, and if u need to go to another location, u take your smartcard and plug it into another machine, u will start where u stopped [10:16] ivoks: we switched from FAI to d-i preseed. both offer this, and with this hook we are bootstrapping cfengine in fact [10:16] <\sh> ivoks: no...these r special thin clients [10:16] <\sh> ivoks: http://catalog.sun.com/productinfo.xml?site=DE_GER&catalogue=FC&segment=FC_R&item=FC_SC_CAT&group=2005&fid=5087&id=12516 [10:16] <\sh> as I read, the server software is also available for linux [10:17] german :) [10:17] \sh: ah, these sun rays are fine. at university run the sunray software on debian/i386 [10:17] <\sh> exchange DE_GER [10:17] +our local admins [10:17] <\sh> siretart: when I saw this system first, there was only a solaris solution [10:18] \sh: the linux version is not really released final. there are some beta versions for red hat available [10:18] <\sh> siretart: but it was nice...even with a blade integrated, I used this citrix solution and accessed the blade PCI x86 card while I was sitting on the toilet with a sun laptop and my session SC installed [10:18] wait, I'll search the link [10:19] \sh: http://wwwcip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~simigern/sunray-debian/ [10:19] <\sh> siretart: they have it on their webpage as official announcement :) [10:19] <\sh> ah :) === \sh wants to have this [10:20] i still don't get this :) [10:20] you can have more clients like this and move from one to another? [10:20] <\sh> the hardware doesn't count anymore ;) [10:21] <\sh> u have your account on the server, like a normal x-client [10:21] ok [10:21] ivoks: sunrays are a thin client solution, with the goodie, that you can take your session with you. just plug your card in another sunray and voila, your old session is restored [10:21] doh.. [10:21] i have that with this kind of setup :) [10:21] and will have with the setup i'm going to do [10:21] <\sh> but your session data is saved on a smartcard and if you unplug your SC the session on a terminal is closed, and u can use the smartcard on another terminal and startover with your work, with the same session [10:22] \sh: do you have a source for cheap sunrays? ;) [10:22] it just mounts that smartcard as home [10:22] because I find them rather expensive.. [10:22] <\sh> and the other goodie is, at least with the solaris version, you can plugin a usb dvd writer and the server handles the usb device as a local device, and you can create dvds [10:22] and i hate sun :) [10:23] <\sh> siretart: my first company is sun partner, i can ask what they want for sun rays... [10:23] <\sh> 950 [10:23] \sh: just curious, I'm not really that interested spending a lot of money just for private use ;) [10:23] lol [10:23] 950 EUROS? [10:23] <\sh> for one bae-400-0 official price [10:23] 1000E? [10:24] <\sh> sun ray 170 with screen [10:24] <\sh> this is the price from sun ;) [10:24] ah. hm [10:24] i don't know about you, but... [10:24] this is too much [10:25] <\sh> siretart: and the screen less sun ray 1g is only 320 [10:25] <\sh> ivoks: this is nothing :) compared with a good workstation ;) [10:25] <\sh> siretart: official sun price ;) [10:25] \sh: at university, we only have this screenless versions: sun ray 1 and a few 1g's [10:25] \sh: I've seen some sun ray 1 on ebay for about 50 bucks.. [10:26] <\sh> siretart: yeah, normally u have spare screens [10:26] <\sh> but look here, official price: sun ray 1g with 24" tft 2450 [10:27] <\sh> or with a 19" 950 , just like the sun ray with 17" screen [10:27] well, they say sun java desktop works on it [10:27] <\sh> hahaha..sun u r stupid [10:27] so... linux works on it :) [10:27] or over here: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=22462&item=5774483934&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW [10:27] <\sh> ivoks: there is no OS running on the clients...the server runs all :) [10:27] ivoks: well, the sunray itself has its firmware, an I think its an small ppc [10:27] <\sh> xterminal system it is [10:28] \sh: there has to be something, it can't run alone [10:28] ivoks: it depends on the sunray server software. It seems that that software runs better on solaris, but at university here, they switched from the old SunFire 290 to Opterons running debian/i386 [10:28] <\sh> but the cute stuff is the smartcard handling...:) the sun laptops with SC tray+wifi == sit on the toilet, think and code ;) u have peace on earth *gg* [10:29] lol [10:29] <\sh> ivoks: just like the normal xterminals [10:29] \sh: so, they have OS :) [10:29] <\sh> ivoks: they have a boot loader and and pxe boot and loading all the stuff via network into their ram [10:29] \sh: that's what i'm talking about [10:29] that kind of setup i have [10:30] <\sh> ivoks: thats normal [10:30] and that works ok for 10-15 clients [10:30] <\sh> ivoks: usb devices? [10:30] but when you have 60, then it's pice of .... [10:30] <\sh> u plugin a us device at your client, and the server will use it as local device? [10:30] lol: \sh: http://wwwcip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~simigern/SunRay-Home/11190003.JPG [10:31] \sh: no, usb in client is usb only on that client [10:31] <\sh> lol [10:31] <\sh> ivoks: u see...:) === dahane [~dahane@c131004.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:32] \sh: what? [10:32] <\sh> ivoks: those extentions are using the local client usb device as a server device [10:33] ivoks: the sunrays have a concept of 'detached' and 'attached' sessions, like screen. If you use the 'local' usb port, the sunray software keeps sure that local means local to the currently attached sunray [10:33] <\sh> it's transfering the info which device u plug in to the server [10:34] ? [10:34] let's see if i get this right [10:34] you have one server [10:34] with N clients [10:34] <\sh> siretart: i don't know if it's standard, but I was able to burn a cd on a different client...i was using a usb cdrw on a station while i was logged in, detached my session, reattached my session on a blade, and was burning a cd [10:35] <\sh> on this cdrw of the client i was attached earlier [10:35] \sh: I think thats only possible with the solaris sunray software. the linux cannot even handle usbsticks :( [10:35] ah... [10:35] <\sh> siretart: yeah i think so..it wasn't linux running there ;) === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:36] that's nice, but i don't think it's of too much use [10:36] <\sh> siretart: but this is one of the nifty feature..that's the reason i like this system [10:36] well, it's not worth 1000E per client :) [10:37] <\sh> ivoks: well....if u'r sitting on one client and u need a citrix session from a sun blade and u can watch videos, listen to mp3 via citrix.. [10:38] heh [10:39] if you need it, buy it... [10:39] <\sh> and while u r doing this, u plugin a usb device, say cdrw, and the windows session recognizing your usb device, which u attached just now, and u r able to burn cds on this device, but your windows is running 5 rooms before you :) [10:40] i still don't think it's worth [10:40] couse why wouldn't you all that on one normal machine? [10:40] <\sh> ivoks: for a small to middle sized office, it's a usable solution. using gbit and some nice cisco gbit switches [10:40] s/all/do all/ [10:40] <\sh> ivoks: support [10:40] <\sh> ivoks: think about it: user is complaining that his windows machine can't print on printer1 [10:41] \sh: i don't speek with end users :) [10:41] <\sh> ivoks: support has to check several machines...the users machine, the printserver and the printer [10:41] \sh: no, only user machine and printer :) [10:41] CUPS is allways ok :) [10:42] <\sh> ivoks: user machine, printserver and printer [10:42] <\sh> :) [10:43] well, i don;t want to put my stick in one client, so other users on other clients can work with it [10:43] <\sh> ivoks: ?? [10:43] <\sh> ivoks: nobody else can work with your stick :) [10:43] it's not like that? ah, right, session... [10:44] don't get me wrong, but i really don't think that's worth 1000e per client [10:45] <\sh> ivoks: for business solutions it is :) [10:45] <\sh> and those prices u wont get anyways...it's cheaper [10:46] i still don't get it... why would anyone leave client1 and go to client2, if that clients are same computers :) [10:46] same hardware, same OS, everything... [10:47] that's what chip cards are for, right? [10:47] to save your seesion, wich you can restore on another computer [10:48] ivoks: thats great to show your work or to ask your collegue for advice who is sitting in another room. so you can take your session with you [10:48] siretart: i knew you will say that [10:49] but, we have webdav, ldap, nfs, smb, ftp [10:49] ivoks: it's also great in labs, when you go out for lunch, and in the meantime someone else can use that client [10:49] ivoks: same here [10:49] siretart: you don't need chip card for that [10:49] gnome has that options :) [10:49] apps, system tools, new login [10:50] ok RAM would be filled :) [10:51] sun didn't invenet anything great, he just put tools like those we use in onde product [10:51] they have money to do that [10:52] that's why i think that's not worth it [10:52] <\sh> ivoks: the clients can be those thin clients sunrays or sun blades or some new sun hardware client x86 ppc sparc technique [10:52] \sh: i know [10:52] that's advantage, you can have ppc and 386 with same setup [10:52] <\sh> ivoks: and this is only a kewl nifty thing :) it's something special ;) [10:53] i give them credit for that... but in the end, clients just boot another kernel, rest of the OS is same [10:53] <\sh> ivoks: and if something breaks, u have to call sun, they will replace it, and u don't have any work with it :) [10:54] :)) [10:54] but you have to pay :) [10:54] <\sh> no u have contracts before hand :) [10:54] the point is that i'll do something similar at my faculty and i'll be the one to get payed :) [10:55] <\sh> right :) [10:55] can you optimize kernel for that clients? [10:55] couse, this 60 computers are in one big cluster [10:55] s/couse/cause/ [10:56] <\sh> ivoks: for what? [10:56] <\sh> ivoks: one hardware one kernel [10:57] <\sh> don't think the linux way :) [10:57] \sh: well, i have to patch my kernels [10:57] <\sh> think the sun way :) [10:57] <\sh> ivoks: u see :) more work :) [10:57] \sh: that's i;m affraid of :) sun way :) [10:57] \sh: to do what sun does, i don't have to patch my kernel, not even rebuild it [10:57] but for sun to do what i'm doing... hm... :)) [10:58] <\sh> ivoks: this is not true === herzi [~herzi@c208154.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:58] \sh: i have 60 computers booting without disks :) [10:58] all 60 are in one openmosix cluster [10:58] <\sh> u can adjust kernel settings etc. but it's different :) it's the same like tru64 u can "relink" the kernel with different settings [10:58] but you can't add openmosix features :) [10:59] no load balancing :) [10:59] my clients search for a client that doesn't do anything, and send proccess on it [10:59] so you have p3/700MHz, doing compiling on P4 3GHz in another room [11:00] another p3 will pass it to another p4 [11:00] etc.. [11:01] so, you see, SunRay isn't that big thing. you have it all in opensource world [11:02] <\sh> i've never said, it's a big thing :) it's nice to have, not much work :) [11:02] even USB devices could be managed [11:02] via dbus and hal [11:02] i'm sure something could be done with that too... [11:03] \sh: i guess that clients don't share memory, something that my clients do :) [11:03] ok... EOD? :) === motaboy [~motaboy@host21-39.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:05] <\sh> ivoks: sorry :) i had a phone call :) [11:06] <\sh> and trying to fix arkrpg [11:06] :) [11:06] \sh: thing is... i want ubuntu to have this! [11:06] and i'll do that [11:06] i'll create some metapackage and configuration [11:07] wouldn't that be great? === schweeb [~chris@216.139.8.4] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:09] ivoks: i think thats being pushed by skolelinux (and therefor edubuntu) folks [11:09] since they are trying such setups for scools [11:11] yeah, but, no openmosix there :) [11:11] but freenx ;) [11:11] is openmosix already ready for production use on linux 2.6? [11:12] not yet [11:12] and what about amd64? [11:12] it is working well, but there are no tools [11:12] siretart: same thing, it will be supported in 2.6 version [11:13] but some stuff need to be done still... [11:13] ic [11:13] so, i'll wait with this project or maybe join edubuntu when openmosix gets stable for 2.6 [11:14] i have to go now... [11:14] so, see you! [11:14] cu ivoks === koke [~koke@155.210.13.152] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:14] if anyone is willing to join me on this, contact me [11:15] i really want to do great server enviorment on ubuntu [11:15] ivoks: such an environment would be fun to setup :) [11:15] gnarf. too late ;) [11:16] hi all! [11:19] hi koke [11:20] <\sh> siretat: if you have time, please check the arkrpg source [11:20] <\sh> siretart: I'm stucked right now...and I don't know how to fix this nasty little thing [11:21] downloading [11:22] cxx transistion. I see. [11:22] <\sh> yeh [11:23] <\sh> ok..the renaming is easy.. === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo hi all! [11:23] <\sh> mv debian/libarkrpg.* to debian/libarkrpgc2.* [11:23] <\sh> change debian/control [11:23] <\sh> and check in the rules file all libarkrpg and replace it with libarkrpgc2 (but not the -dev) [11:23] <\sh> but [11:24] <\sh> take a look in the debian/patches directory [11:24] <\sh> and try a test build :) u will see, that during the configure Xwindow tests it fails and wont find the xwindow libs and headers [11:25] <\sh> now, I'm trying to apply a autoreconf to the configure section, but this doesn't work anyhow...or I don't see it, because my brain is dead because of this package [11:25] woah. that looks challenging.. [11:26] wtf?! libretoolized as dpatch?! [11:26] hm [11:26] <\sh> siretart: yeah... [11:26] <\sh> but for me...I'm off now... === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:27] <\sh> showering....and getting some furniture :) [11:27] <\sh> cu later this evening dudes [11:27] <\sh> and siretart thx :) [11:27] n/p [11:27] have fun ;) [11:30] cannot satisfy built dependencies === ogra_ [~ogra@p5089C1AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:57] ogra, morning [12:00] ogra, morning, now that you have sorted out your nicks [12:01] hey Burgundavia === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.20.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:01] ogra, I noticed you took the lead on Edubuntu. How can I help you with that? === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.20.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:02] Burgundavia, let me first see what the Edubuntu guys say, i'm just inviting them to become MOTUs [12:02] ogra, ok, cool [12:02] hmm [12:02] (there isnot much to do yet, since all software already exists and only needs packaging) [12:02] i should be a MOTU too soon [12:03] ogra is making himself heard here. :) [12:03] hardly a wiki without his name on it. ;) [12:04] \sh: you are abolutly right. This arkrpg is a real mess [12:04] heh [12:05] ogra, I think it is key to get it packaged as soon as possible, so we can work with upstream on improving the product, and on fixing bugs [12:07] is there a page on what needs to be packaged? [12:08] evening [12:08] ajmitch: morning :-) [12:08] morning ajmitch :) [12:09] for packages that don't have a description in their debian dir, is it worth pinging the debian maintainer about it? 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[12:54] Amaranth: remember warty? [12:54] 0.9.3+1.0+revertedto10.9.3 or some crap like that? :) [12:54] yes. [12:54] what was that all about? [12:54] uh [12:54] 1.0-rc sucked big time [12:54] i guess i'll just have to keep using nightlies then :) [12:54] we had to pull it [12:55] ok i agree -rc shouldn't go in distribution [12:55] thats how we got the B word [12:55] yeah [12:55] Well, when your OS is ignored for the most part until 0.8 you wouldn't expect them to make it work in just 3 more releases. [12:55] I'm surprised 0.9.3 didn't fall over more [12:55] it won't become firefox until the 2.0 release [12:55] 0.9.3 is surprisingly decent [12:56] so i may try and sneak deer park into universe [12:56] it starts very fast... [12:56] faster then 1.0 [12:57] bye all [12:57] bye [12:57] later dude [12:57] i wish they'd provide freaking source for their trunk builds [12:58] thom, don't they have to? [12:59] thom, do you know of a easy way to replace NIS atuthentication with LDAP ? i'm just looking through the LTSP stuff, and they use NIS obviously, which hurts badly imho [01:00] seen this? http://blog.ignore-your.tv/images/fusa-lotsa-users.png [01:00] Burgundavia: no. [01:00] on p.g.o [01:00] Burgundavia: fast-user-switch [01:01] no, the number of users, tis funny [01:01] and an interesting edge case [01:01] Unfrgive1 has packaged it alredy [01:01] hehe [01:01] ogra: i have no idea how nis ties in, actually. if it uses PAM it should be pretty trivial [01:01] yeah, we have a deb for ubuntu [01:01] thom, oki, i'll look at it... [01:01] Burgundavia: this isn't too much users... [01:02] ivoks, there are some interesting UI points that are raised by that [01:03] ? 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[02:07] ogra: the main problem about this migration is rather that the way how the users are managed is completly different. [02:08] ogra: no, I havn't done any ltsp work yet, but whats so different with an 'normal' nis environment? [02:08]