[12:00] <anto9us> forester: I think ubuntu is debian based, not debian dependant
[12:00] <amonkey> i'm using the xorg.conf file that i had with my last install of ubuntu on exactly the same hardware and twinview won't work. the only difference is that i'm using nv instead of nvidia because x won't start with nvidia, and now my second screen just shows fanciful ascii animations.
[12:00] <glickinator> i dont get canonical
[12:00] <glickinator> why they are doing this
[12:01] <glickinator> its a corporation but they dont sell anythin
[12:01] <forester> anto9us: I think it is dependent.
[12:02] <glickinator> does anyone know why?
[12:02] <nickrud> glickinator, their web site says they're gonna make money teaching companies how to support ubuntu
[12:02] <pykon> hola alguien habla espaol?
[12:03] <forester> glickinator: There are many possibilities. Look at redhat. :p
[12:03] <pykon> como puedo instalar amsn en mi computadora ?
[12:03] <restrex> pykon me
[12:03] <restrex> pykon you can install amsn just doing that: sudo apt-get install amsn
[12:03] <pykon> bueno la verdad es que me acabo de instalar ubuntu ayer
[12:03] <glickinator> forester, how long have they been around/
[12:03] <urb85> restrex, can u use the cam as well?
[12:03] <pykon> y soy nuevo en esto de linux
[12:04] <restrex> urb85 yes, if you want I can get sex by webcam, no prob, fuck you.
[12:04] <anto9us> forester: distinct but parallel, is the term used on the ubuntu website http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/
[12:04] <restrex> pykon bueno la cosa es bastante simplecita, es hacer ese comando no ma :P
[12:04] <pykon> jajaj
[12:05] <forester> anto9us: Sounds like business-friendly speak.
[12:05] <restrex> pykon go to #ubuntu-es los grngos se ponen medios wnes :)
[12:05] <glickinator> how long has ubuntu been around?
[12:05] <forester> The real question is simply whether or not they have their own army of package maintainers.
[12:05] <forester> glickinator: 2004 I believe.
[12:05] <monteiro> i've installed lmsensors but now the motherboard is always beeping, how i take out the beep ? (it's beeping because when i make the command sensors there are values that have ALARM)
[12:05] <forester> glickinator: Lates 2004.
[12:05] <urb85> restrex, u arrogant piece of sh1t, I was just asking!!!!!
[12:05] <forester> glickinator: Research.
[12:05] <forester> glickinator: Research.
[12:05] <forester> glickinator: Research.
[12:06] <restrex> urb85 wuahahhahahahaha
[12:06] <glickinator> i just dont want to get attached to ubuntu and then they disappear or something
[12:06] <anto9us> forester: maybe, but it sounds like non-dependant to me :)
[12:06] <forester> ubuntu.com was registered may 29 2004
[12:06] <urb85> restrex, I don't need sex on cam, I am not that perv, I have got my family in another country and I need to talk to them via webcam!
[12:06] <restrex> urb85 sorry man, here are so much people that attacks, so I go in a deffensive way here, sorry man :)
[12:06] <drasko> join #jack
[12:06] <nickrud> glickinator, once you've used ubuntu, you can use debian just fine, and that's probably gonna be around a bit
[12:07] <dcraven> drasko: no
[12:07] <glickinator> nickrud, i use debian now :)
[12:07] <urb85> restrex, I haven't found any cam software for Linux so I was curious if aMsn was the kind
[12:07] <nickrud> glickinator, then what's the prob? :)
[12:07] <dcraven> urb85: Gnomemeeting works so I hear.
[12:07] <darkaudit> urb85: gnomemeeting
[12:07] <pykon> como puedo instalar      amsn en mi ordenador?
[12:07] <nickrud> glickinator, the thing that struck me most, was there was no outcry on the debian mail lists.
[12:08] <restrex> pykon sudo apt-get install amsn
[12:08] <urb85> dcraven, darkaudit, thanks a lot
[12:08] <restrex> urb85 yep, gnomemmeting is the way
[12:08] <pykon> que es eso de apt-get
[12:08] <darkaudit> gnomemeeting even works using DV camcoeders
[12:08] <glickinator> yeah i i think ubuntu has surpassed debian in popularity
[12:08] <lotusleaf> urb85, http://lotusleaf.nermal.net/linux-camerawebcam.html
[12:08] <forester> ubuntulinux.org was also registerd may of 2004
[12:08] <forester> the "version 4" release was in October.
[12:08] <nickrud> that was quick
[12:09] <ahuman01> nickrud, yea tried all that .. thing is i didnt change a thing .. atleast if I did , I dont know what it was. Spkr works fine thru the beep utility
[12:09] <restrex> but there's people hat have developed the msn enconding, so you will be able to view webcam by gaim or another client that will implement that.
[12:09] <forester> version 5 in april of this year
[12:09] <anto9us> pykon: try synaptit you may find it easier :)
[12:09] <anto9us> ^synaptic
[12:09] <nickrud> ahuman01, it was a shot, beep has been a mystery to me also
[12:09] <pykon> http://www.apt-get.org/
[12:09] <restrex> pykon: slo abre un terminal o consola y has el comando que te dije, eso va a funcionar, y si no, lo dices
[12:10] <urb85> restrex, thanks, hope u calm down now :)
[12:10] <neul> hey yall... i have a couple very basic questions about the ubuntu download...
[12:10] <urb85> lotusleaf, thanks
[12:10] <shadeofgrey> Hi everybody
[12:10] <lotusleaf> urb85, yw ;)
[12:10] <shido6> question..
[12:10] <shido6> not that Im upset...
[12:10] <anto9us> hi neul
[12:10] <restrex> urb85 yea, sorry. for now, you only can use Gnome Meeting :) good luck :)
[12:10] <shido6> Prescott - says I have 2 cpu's and one is at 100% the other is at 12%
[12:10] <neul> hi anto(us
[12:10] <shadeofgrey> listen -- how do you delete a users home directory after you've removed them from the users area of preferences?
[12:11] <neul> +9 -)
[12:11] <neul> the dl gives u an ISO image... correct?
[12:11] <babis> thank you all for your help with xine audio problem
[12:11] <shadeofgrey> i tried deleting the home folder through nautilus and was given an error saying that i dont have permission
[12:11] <shadeofgrey> so
[12:11] <shadeofgrey> i assume it has to be done with sudo thru commandline?
[12:11] <anto9us> shadeofgrey: sudo rm -r /home/<user>
[12:11] <nickrud> shadeofgrey, first try sudo deluser <user>
[12:12] <nickrud> lag
[12:12] <darkaudit> neul: yes... and most burning software, like k3b or nero, will extract to a usable CD/DVD when it burns
[12:12] <dcraven> or nautilus.
[12:12] <pykon> lo intentar
[12:12] <anto9us> shadeofgrey: this will get rid of the confirmation prompt - sudo -r -f /home/<user>
[12:13] <neul> so-- i am downloading from Win ME-- get nero first, then download?
[12:13] <dcraven> Wow.. ME?
[12:13] <ukato> hello everyone
[12:13] <anto9us> neul: you need some software that will write an iso image, nero will do that
[12:13] <neul> bingo
[12:13] <darkaudit> neul: most burning apps will extract a .ISO file...
[12:13] <urb85> restrex, ta, np :)
[12:13] <ukato> what's the command to run samba
[12:13] <pietro> where evolution save the configuration of mail accounts ?
[12:13] <ukato> just "samba" at a terminal?
[12:13] <Choubaka> neul: no matter how much you would hate linux, You will do yourself a favour by not using ME.
[12:14] <Choubaka> ;)
[12:14] <neul> choubaka:  it is still a free country, nevertheless
[12:14] <shadeofgrey> neul:  install nero first.  then download the install iso and burn it through nero using File-->Burn Image
[12:14] <restrex> urb85 :) and sorry again :)
[12:14] <Choubaka> neul: which country?
[12:15] <neul> USA... duhh
[12:15] <anto9us> neul: we're trying to free the world ;)
[12:15] <shadeofgrey> once the iso is burned, reboot the machine and boot from CD.  you may need to set bios options to change your boot order before booting from CD will work
[12:15] <Choubaka> neul: Not very free from my perspective.
[12:15] <neul> ty shadeofgrey, that is crystal clear  :)
[12:15] <dcraven> haha.. I was just gonna say. USA is free?
[12:15] <Choubaka> Well, anyway.
[12:15] <urb85> restrex, np i understand
[12:15] <ukato> can i ask a quick question
[12:16] <neul> not as in "inexpensive", but yeah
[12:16] <Choubaka> Let us not bash The US of A even though it's so much fun.
[12:16] <dcraven> :)
[12:16] <anto9us> ukato: you just did, but don't worry, you can ask as many as you like :)
[12:16] <ukato> heh
[12:16] <ukato> ok
[12:16] <ukato> well
[12:16] <ukato> i'm trying to set up samba
[12:17] <ukato> and, i used the package manager that came with ubuntu
[12:17] <ukato> to get it and everything it requires
[12:17] <ukato> so, what should i do now?
[12:17] <anto9us> ukato: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[12:18] <ukato> oh
[12:18] <ukato> if i don't have samba installed
[12:18] <ukato> i can't use windows printers?
[12:19] <anto9us> ukato: I think you just need smbclient or whatever the package is called to see windows shares and printers, you don't need the full blown samba kit
[12:24] <JohninMT> Hi I am using Kubuntu ....I am having a problem connecting with apt and firefox(secure sites. Konqueror works ok. I am going through a dsl router. W 9 with firefox works ok....the last thing i had added last night was dillo. I removed it today, but the same result
[12:24] <C-Murder> how i set my mysql password in ubuntu?? i just dont get it :)
[12:27] <ukato> bleh
[12:27] <ukato> i don't think samba is working right. there should be an option in the networking settings to connect to windows computers, right
[12:29] <anto9us> ukato: you specify a windows(smb) printer as a network printer in the add printer dialog
[12:30] <ukato> yeah, but if i'm trying to share files that are on this linux box
[12:30] <ukato> i need samba, right?
[12:30] <anto9us> ukato: yes
[12:30] <ukato> ok
[12:31] <ukato> i'll be right back
[12:32] <iceman> anyone able to help me update ubuntu
[12:32] <C-Murder> yeah
[12:32] <lotusleaf> Mmm.. burger http://www.spicyparis.com/images/photos/paris-1.jpg
[12:33] <lotusleaf> they should hire paris hilton to do a commercial for ubuntu
[12:33] <nickrud> iceman, it should be pretty straightforward, I looked at that wiki, it's pretty good.
[12:33] <iceman> got a quick link ?
[12:34] <hajiki> ubuntu doesnt use fam huh?
[12:34] <nickrud> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes iceman (still had it in my browser :)
[12:34] <hajiki> i need to restart gnome for new applications to show up in the menu?
[12:34] <nickrud> hajiki, it uses gam_server, and yes, sometimes
[12:34] <iceman> got to update from WartyWarthog to hoary ..
[12:34] <dooglus> hajiki: you shouldn't
[12:35] <hajiki> thanks both
[12:35] <nickrud> hajiki, dooglus was right, pkill gnome-panel will restart the panel and read anything wrong
[12:35] <Taliesin`> (hajiki): if your runningty Hoary, read this. http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#refreshgnomepanel
[12:35] <andersbr> Help?  "Package php4 is not available, but is referred to by another  package."
[12:35] <hajiki> i installed dia from universe and coudlnt find it in the panel. i'll try the trick mentioned above...
[12:37] <dooglus> there seem to be two different kinds of nautilus windows:
[12:37] <iceman> do you chang all the distro enteries to hoary ?
[12:37] <dooglus> 1) when you go through applications->sys tools->file browser (this has 2 panes, side by side)
[12:38] <dooglus> 2) when you go through places->home (this has 1 pane).  can I get the left pane to appear in type 2)?
[12:38] <nickrud> iceman, yes, http://pastebin.com/290397 will set you up nicely
[12:38] <iceman> humm ... thanks
[12:39] <iceman> enter those fram a terminal ... i a guessing ...
[12:39] <nickrud> dooglus, yeah, there's a gconf key you can set for changing that
[12:39] <dooglus> nickrud: ummm, could you speak more slowly please?  I'm new to the gnome
[12:39] <nickrud> iceman, copy that to a file, and copy the file to /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:40] <nickrud> dooglus, there's two types of browing in gnome 'spacial', which is the default, and the one you want
[12:40] <nickrud> a sec, I'll get you the key
[12:41] <dooglus> nickrud: I didn't even find the door yet, let alone the lock, so I don't know where I'm going to insert the key...
[12:42] <shadeofgrey> whats the easiest ftp client to use in ubuntu?
[12:42] <parabolize> gftp
[12:43] <nickrud> dooglus, start gconf-editor, then navigate to /apps/nautilus/preferences, and check always use browser
[12:43] <nickrud> dooglus, that is a very fun program :)
[12:43] <BleSS> do you have this file: :: ls /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone.tab :: ?
[12:44] <jasper_> iceman, open a texteditor and copy paste the text from the url nickrud gave you in it.
[12:44] <dooglus> nickrud: that is exactly what I wanted.  thanks!
[12:44] <dooglus> it looks a little like the windows registry editor, dontcha think?
[12:45] <nickrud> dooglus, yeah, but it's stored as a text file, not binary, and (so read) is better
[12:45] <nickrud> *so I read
[12:46] <jasper_> then copy that to /etc/apt/source.list (you probably have to do that from a terminal)
[12:46] <nickrud> dooglus, it's also user specific, so if you mess up, you can't kill the computer
[12:46] <andersbr> How does one figure out if a distro upgrade was successful?  I tried it a while back,  and it seemed like only a few packages got upgraded.
[12:46] <jasper_> after that type 'apt-get update'
[12:47] <jasper_> and then 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
[12:47] <andersbr> And now it's like none of the packages want to install.
[12:47] <jasper_> this last step might take a while
[12:48] <iceman> shoot how to cut and past ?
[12:48] <nickrud> a looong while :)
[12:49] <we2by> how do I play a .m3u stream?
[12:49] <dooglus> we2by: for example, what stream?
[12:49] <nickrud> iceman, highlight the text in the box, and in your editor, press the middle button on your mouse
[12:49] <we2by> I dunno
[12:49] <novaflare> restarting
[12:49] <jasper_> select the lines starting with 'deb' in the webpage, then press ctrl-c
[12:49] <we2by> it's an url end with .m3u
[12:49] <we2by> mp3?
[12:49] <anto9us> we2by: try xmms :)
[12:49] <dooglus> we2by: do you have an example for me to try?
[12:50] <we2by> dooglus, http://www.mas99.com/player/mas99.m3u
[12:50] <jasper_> then open up a text editor (Applications->Accesories->Text Editor) and press ctrl-v
[12:51] <nickrud> iceman, I'm listening to jasper_
[12:52] <iceman> got that to work .. its seems to be updateing ..
[12:52] <dooglus> we2by: are you sure that stream plays at all?
[12:52] <we2by> yep
[12:53] <dooglus> we2by: oh yes, so it does.
[12:53] <we2by> I was listening at it at a friend a few minutes ago on windows
[12:53] <we2by> using winamp
[12:53] <dooglus> we2by: I typed this:    totem http://www.mas99.com/player/mas99.m3u    and it played
[12:53] <dooglus> I couldn't get it to play in xmms or mplayer
[12:54] <we2by> I can not start totem
[12:54] <we2by> error: resource unavailable
[12:55] <iceman> now to complete the install what do i do
[12:55] <dooglus> we2by, could it be that something else has grabbed the soundcard?
[12:56] <nickrud> iceman, scroll back, jasper_ gave you everything you need
[12:56] <we2by> can't I tell it to use esd?
[12:57] <iceman> got a lot ...
[12:57] <dooglus> we2by: I don't really understand any of that stuff
[12:57] <iceman> now .. what to do to get kde ?
[12:57] <nickrud> iceman, what did you do last?
[12:57] <yoko__> hey guys question
[12:57] <we2by> brb
[12:57] <nickrud> we2by, have you installed gstreamer0.8-mad?
[12:57] <dooglus> xine http://www.mas99.com/player/mas99.m3u    <--- works for me too, we2by
[12:57] <yoko__> I have a laptop with s-video cable output
[12:58] <iceman> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade last command i did
[12:58] <nickrud> iceman, that was fast, what kind of machine do you have :)
[12:58] <yoko__> how do I do get ubuntu to output through the svideo out
[12:58] <iceman> p4 2.8 ghz.
[12:58] <yoko__> I want to watch a movie
[12:58] <Riddell> iceman: kubuntu.org/faq.php
[12:58] <jasper_> :-)
[12:59] <yoko__> anyone know how to do it?
[12:59] <we2by> wtf
[12:59] <we2by> I still got the error
[12:59] <andersbr> yoko:  wish I could help you.
[01:00] <Kazuya> hi
[01:00] <nickrud> we2by, if that didn't work, I'm with dooglus
[01:00] <Kazuya> somebody can help me?
[01:00] <jasper_> iceman, have you copied your file to /etc/apt/sources.list?
[01:00] <we2by> totem does not wanna start
[01:00] <we2by> :(
[01:00] <iceman> na ... kubuntu.org/faq.php ... kubuntu video driver sucks on my system
[01:00] <Kazuya> i've problems to enable tv-out work with ati radeon 9200
[01:01] <iceman> need to update to kde from current install
[01:01] <amonkey> i have twinview working, but windows don't show up in the right panels (all on screen 1) like they used too. is that a setting somewhere?
[01:01] <dooglus> we2by: what does "fuser /dev/snd/*" show you?
[01:01] <we2by> nothing
[01:02] <dooglus> that's a list of the processes which are using your soundcard...
[01:02] <we2by> maybe /dev/dsp?
[01:02] <jasper_> so, you still need to upgrade to hoary, or maybe install kubuntu?
[01:02] <dooglus> try playing a song and trying the command again while it plays - see anything then?
[01:02] <iceman> got to update links install .. rant the updates ..
[01:02] <we2by> nothing
[01:02] <dooglus> we2by: maybe.  like I say, I don't really understand all these different sound system thingies
[01:02] <we2by> I think xmms is using esd
[01:02] <iceman> no how to download kde for ubuntu ...
[01:03] <we2by> and esd use /dev/dsp
[01:03] <yoko__> anyone know how to output video through svideo?
[01:03] <Kazuya> somebody can help me with tv-out?
[01:04] <Kazuya> in console it works
[01:04] <dooglus> we2by: I used this to set my sound up - maybe it'll help you...  http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[01:04] <Kazuya> but under X i see onli flashing lines
[01:05] <iceman>  apt-get install kubuntu-desktop does not work ?
[01:05] <parabolize> iceman just dl kubuntu http://kubuntu.org/
[01:05] <nickrud> iceman, that means, that your sources.list did not get changed.
[01:05] <joel> I just installed hoary and I lost my screen resolutions I had before with warty. I know the monitor can do 1024x768. But I only have one setting to choose which is 640x480
[01:06] <nickrud> iceman, when you did dist-upgrade, a __lot__ should have happend
[01:06] <joel> which file do I edit to bring back the others
[01:06] <nickrud> iceman, a big download, and a lot of disk activity
[01:06] <Kazuya> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:07] <iceman> it did ..
[01:07] <joel> that's the one I looked at, but where do I edit it?
[01:07] <iceman> i can paste in flood
[01:07] <nickrud> iceman, paste /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:07] <parabolize> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:07] <Kazuya> the section screen i think
[01:08] <iceman> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] / unstable main restricted
[01:08] <iceman> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted
[01:08] <iceman> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[01:08] <Kazuya> somebody know how enablke tv out in xorg.conf?
[01:08] <iceman> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[01:08] <iceman> ## repository.
[01:08] <iceman> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[01:08] <iceman> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[01:08] <abarbaccia> iceman, PLEASE DO NOT FLOOD!
[01:08] <iceman> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[01:08] <iceman> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[01:08] <iceman> ## team.
[01:08] <iceman> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[01:08] <restrex> !!!
[01:08] <iceman> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[01:08] <abarbaccia> nickrud, please do not encourage flooding - use www.pastebin.com
[01:08] <iceman> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[01:08] <Kazuya> -.-
[01:08] <iceman> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[01:08] <restrex> it's too late abarbaccia :)
[01:08] <iceman> sorry ..
[01:08] <nickrud> yeah, I thought he meant #flood :)
[01:08] <dooglus> iceman: do you have any ASCII art you could paste as well?
[01:08] <abarbaccia> lol - i tried - he's too strong
[01:08] <nickrud> I do pastebin, normally
[01:09] <abarbaccia> surprized he didnt get kicked - MODS WHERE ARE YOU
[01:09] <iceman> i just refuse to buy windows xp ...
[01:09] <nickrud> iceman, that is bad, both what you did and your sources.list
[01:09] <Kazuya> somebody know how to enable tv out in xorg.conf?
[01:09] <we2by> mhh
[01:09] <restrex> it's dangerous leave a channel alone with 471 guys =)
[01:09] <we2by> xine can plays it too :)
[01:09] <abarbaccia> he has hoary and warty
[01:09] <abarbaccia> lol
[01:09] <iceman> ;( does not sound good ...
[01:09] <parabolize> 0 ops, 471 total... :)
[01:09] <restrex> jajja
[01:09] <restrex> xD
[01:10] <TheDeathArt> hey, can i change the background and font color of the Root Terminal ?
[01:10] <nickrud> iceman, open that file with sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:10] <Kazuya> hey
[01:10] <abarbaccia> Kazuya, that depends on your video card - google it - i know how to do it for SiS graphics cards and thats all
[01:10] <kroc> ji
[01:10] <Kazuya> abarbaccia, googled
[01:10] <Kazuya> but no solution
[01:10] <reon> HI,
[01:10] <Kazuya> for ati
[01:10] <reon> oops
[01:10] <abarbaccia> Kazuya, for ati i know it can be done
[01:11] <abarbaccia> i gotta run tho - maybe i cna help you out later
[01:11] <Kazuya> i can do it only under console
[01:11] <Kazuya> ok
[01:11] <we2by> any one knows a app or website where I can trace an ip with it's locations indicated?
[01:11] <reon> Can anyone recoomend a good terminal emulation application ??? Need to interface to Cisco router console port.
[01:11] <iceman> opened with sudo nano
[01:11] <joel> Integrated Graphics Device"
[01:11] <joel>         Monitor         "COMPAQ 5500"
[01:11] <joel>         DefaultDepth    24
[01:11] <joel>         SubSection "Display"
[01:12] <joel> is this where to edit
[01:12] <parabolize> below that you should see res
[01:13] <parabolize> look for 24 and edit
[01:13] <parabolize> put the res you want first
[01:13] <parabolize> *going left to right
[01:14] <amonkey> we2by, visualtrace used to be good, no you have to sign up for it (free i think) but still good
[01:14] <andersbr> Quick question:  I did the dist-upgrade thing a while back,  and it seemed like only a few packages were upgraded.  For example,  Hoary claims to have firefox1.02, but I'm still back on 0.9.3.  Further,  most software won't install anymore,  claiming that the packages don't exist,  but other packages refer to them.  Do I need to have the 5.04 install CD listed in sources.list?
[01:14] <amonkey> *now
[01:14] <joel> okay I see it. 1024x768 is first then 800x600 then 640x480
[01:14] <we2by> cool
[01:15] <we2by> it's a triel version
[01:15] <terje> greetings, does anyone what packages are needed to view windows media files using mplayer, or xine ?
[01:15] <joel> but when I try to change it under the system preferences I don't have any selections but 640x480
[01:15] <UbuntuNooB> hi.. i put a symbol in the folder name when i was in windows (in the front) and now the folder isn't showing in the listing, how can i make it appear again ?
[01:15] <parabolize> joel- got me
[01:15] <joel> hmm me 2
[01:16] <jasper_> iceman, put a comment sign (#)in front of every line of the file, then add the lines from the website url.
[01:16] <dcraven> joel: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:16] <Amaranth> andersbr: Your sources.list probably got corrupted
[01:17] <Amaranth> andersbr: dump the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list in http://rafb.net/paste/
[01:17] <nickrud> jasper_, I have him a private channel
[01:17] <UbuntuNooB> terje: i installed every package that i don't have from http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/graphics/mplayer-386 before installing mplayer
[01:17] <jasper_> ah ok good :-)
[01:18] <joel> I'll follow through with what's on the wiki. APPRECIATE the help. Thanks !!! ;-)
[01:19] <joel> Bye
[01:19] <Yankee> Does anybody know what to do if I try to enable the 3d support of my ATI Radeon 9800 Pro and the only thing I get after a reboot is a dark display with the message "Out of range"?
[01:19] <terje> well, I'm not actually using mplayer
[01:19] <terje> I'm using vlc
[01:19] <terje> but I figured the win32 codecs are the same.
[01:20] <UbuntuNooB> oo..ok
[01:21] <UbuntuNooB> my question.. i put a symbol in the folder name when i was in windows (in the front) and now the folder isn't showing in the listing, how can i make it appear again ?
[01:21] <we2by> amonkey, that java applet is working here
[01:21] <we2by> do you have an app that do the job?
[01:22] <jasper_> terje: try this: http://ubuntuguide.org/#xine-ui
[01:22] <terje> cool, thanks jasper
[01:22] <novaflare> one driver glitch down (can see my log in prompt now) now just need to get dual monitor extended desk top working
[01:23] <LordGrunt> hi there
[01:23] <novaflare> any one here running a set up similar to this
[01:23] <LordGrunt> i have big problem with booting my linux
[01:23] <andersbr> Amaranth:  Found the problem.  The main repositories were commented out.  I am t3h dumb.  Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
[01:23] <LordGrunt> it stops just after lilo loaded image
[01:23] <LordGrunt> with no msgs
[01:23] <novaflare> ati 9k pro to 9800 etc) with 2 crt monisotrs with dual monitors working with extended desktop?
[01:23] <amonkey> whats the package that lets you edit the app menu?
[01:23] <LordGrunt> just clears screen when dots finish to appear
[01:24] <novaflare> monitors even
[01:24] <LordGrunt> any ideas what can cause it?
[01:26] <amonkey> i installed the codecs as per ubuntuguide, but still can't watch wmvs in totem. how can i fix it?
[01:26] <we2by> how do I search in my installed packages?
[01:27] <zenrox> amonkey, dont use totem use xine-ui
[01:27] <tritium> we2by, what do you want to search for?  package names?  files in packages?
[01:28] <we2by> package name
[01:28] <tritium> dpkg -l will list all the installed packages.  You can pipe into grep...
[01:29] <UbuntuNooB> my question.. i put a symbol in the folder name when i was in windows (in the front) and now the folder isn't showing in the listing, how can i make it appear again ?
[01:31] <joel> That fixed my resolution problem. Thanks ever so much.
[01:34] <kroc> on ubuntu, can i use xfce?
[01:34] <parabolize> yes
[01:34] <_kevin> what's this big buzz about xfce
[01:34] <_kevin> is it better then gnome and kde?
[01:34] <romm3r> kroc: yea
[01:34] <parabolize> faster in parts
[01:34] <_kevin> also is it less memory usage and system resources
[01:35] <romm3r> kroc: if you have X-window-system install just 'sudo apt-get install xfce4'
[01:35] <romm3r> install=installed
[01:35] <parabolize> add to gde menu
[01:35] <parabolize> or does it do it for you?
[01:36] <_kevin> can i try XFCE also without loosing my XMMS and current sound card settings and also my firefox 1.0.4 and m openoffice 2?
[01:36] <kroc> i dont have ubuntu yet... im waiting for it to arrive
[01:36] <kroc> will it send the latest?
[01:36] <kroc> hoary?
[01:36] <_kevin> ye
[01:36] <_kevin> i got that in the mail
[01:36] <romm3r> as did i
[01:37] <kroc> where do they mail it from?
[01:37] <romm3r> switzerland i think
[01:37] <parabolize> mostly. you will want to look for security updates
[01:37] <shido6> ok
[01:37] <shido6> I got xine to play in either usb or my speakers - sweet
[01:37] <_kevin> the good folks at ubuntu are doing a mighty well job, I dont know of another distro that mails their os for free
[01:38] <dooglus> I just noticed the laptop was spinning its fan faster and faster.  I checked 'top' and a 'gnome-terminal' was using 100% CPU!  That's naughty of it - why would it do that?  I think it was just running an 'ssh' onto the machine I use for IRCing
[01:38] <shido6> now how do I get it to play on my tv with my radeon - I SEE my desktop on the tv, no problem but I see a black box where my video should be
[01:39] <Rymastah> hey
[01:39] <Rymastah> Got a quick question.
[01:39] <Rymastah> I have Fluxbox
[01:39] <kroc> dooglus: doesnt gnome just use ALL CPU, all the time?
[01:39] <Rymastah> and I'm trying to install a style to /usr/share/fluxbox/styles
[01:39] <Rymastah> yet I need permissions, and it wont let me log in as root on GDM.
[01:39] <Rymastah> what should I do to put extract the tar.gz
[01:40] <dooglus> kroc: mostly the box is mostly idling, surprisingly
[01:40] <j-rock_> Rymastah: 'sudo -s' as a normal user, and enter your password
[01:40] <dooglus> Rymastah: "tar xfz file.tar.gz"
[01:40] <j-rock_> Rymastah: that gets you a root shell
[01:41] <kroc> hm.. in ubuntu to get something like gaim, you just have to write 'apt-get gaim' ?
[01:41] <nickrud> Rymastah, don't log into gnome as root, it is so incredibly dangerous....
[01:41] <j-rock_> kroc: correct
[01:41] <kroc> sweet
[01:41] <Amaranth> kroc: sudo apt-get install gaim
[01:41] <j-rock_> kroc: sudo apt-get install gaim
[01:41] <parabolize> sudo apt-get install gaim
[01:41] <Amaranth> kroc: or just use synaptic
[01:41] <parabolize> ya
[01:41] <j-rock_> damn
[01:41] <j-rock_> that was a hella syntax pounce
[01:41] <amonkey> what is the difference between totem-xine and totem-gstreamer?
[01:42] <kroc> um.. why sudo?
[01:42] <j-rock_> none, both are crap
[01:42] <j-rock_> mplayer
[01:42] <Amaranth> amonkey: one uses gstreamer to play files, the other uses xine
[01:42] <Razor-X> and just to feel cool "sudo apt-get install gaim" ;)
[01:42] <Amaranth> j-rock_: mplayer is crap, use vlc
[01:42] <parabolize> gxine!
[01:42] <j-rock_> Amaranth: haha
[01:42] <Rymastah> ok
[01:42] <j-rock_> Amaranth: i'll go goole it now
[01:42] <Rymastah> thanks
[01:42] <kroc> gmmx
[01:42] <Razor-X> yeah, vlc all the way
[01:42] <j-rock_> *google
[01:42] <Rymastah> I'm trying what y'all said now.
[01:42] <Amaranth> j-rock_: sudo apt-get install vlc
[01:42] <Razor-X> you can't even _compare_ vlc to anything else
[01:42] <Razor-X> it's sacrilege ;)
[01:42] <kroc> does ubuntu get all dependencies for you, or you have to get those as well?
[01:43] <Amaranth> you probably have vlc hackers to thank for most of the video files on your machine working at all ;)
[01:43] <romm3r> whats ubuntu like as a server?
[01:43] <Razor-X> kroc: apt does it all for you
[01:43] <Amaranth> kroc: it gets them all for you
[01:43] <amonkey> which package should i get for vlc?
[01:43] <kroc> THEN I CANT WAIT
[01:43] <Razor-X> romm3r: anything else like a server, I guess ;0
[01:43] <Amaranth> romm3r: like a debian netinstall, but more up-to-date
[01:43] <Razor-X> kroc: heh
[01:43] <Razor-X> *:)
[01:43] <romm3r> Amaranth: ok
[01:44] <Amaranth> romm3r: I mean the 'server' boot option in the installer just installs a minimal system and you add things from there
[01:44] <romm3r> Amaranth: yea
[01:44] <j-rock_> Amaranth: at work right now, irssi through ssh, no multimedia for a few more hours
[01:44] <Amaranth> j-rock_: ever heard of DVDJon?
[01:44] <Razor-X> j-rock_: I do that at school, only it's BitchX
[01:44] <Razor-X> hell, i'm doing it now too
[01:45] <Razor-X> I never leave my SSH shell
[01:45] <j-rock_> ohhh it runs on beos
[01:45] <Razor-X> more convenient for my parents to ignore
[01:45] <j-rock_> Amaranth: nope
[01:45] <kroc_working> the thing i hate most of RH9 are the dependencies of various programs
[01:45] <j-rock_> Razor-X: use screen?
[01:45] <Razor-X> mmmhmm ;), but that's not the easy part
[01:45] <Amaranth> j-rock_: DVDJon is the guy behind DeCSS, you have to have at least heard of that. Anyway, he's a vlc hacker.
[01:45] <sebdc> wropng opening in kvirc
[01:45] <Razor-X> it's much easier for my dad not to find chat logs, or anything like that, if everything's SSH'd
[01:46] <j-rock_> Amaranth: ohhh, yeah i know who you are talking about, never heard him called DVDjon
[01:46] <j-rock_> Amaranth: damn, if he's in on the project i'll have to check it out
[01:46] <dooglus> I never tried vlc before, so just installed it.  How do you skip back and forward through a movie with the keyboard (like left, right, up and down in mplayer)?
[01:46] <Amaranth> j-rock_: he's also the one that cracked apple's DRM
[01:46] <Razor-X> I'm a gonna set the section of the wikibook to print, and then boot to Linux
[01:46] <j-rock_> Amaranth: yup :)
[01:47] <Amaranth> j-rock_: and the guy that helped me write pymusique :D
[01:47] <j-rock_> :)
[01:47] <nickrud> hah, gotta check out vlc, then :)
[01:47] <Rymastah> I still dont have the right permissions...
[01:47] <Rymastah> huh
[01:47] <Razor-X> j-rock_:pg-up and pg-down seeks
[01:47] <Amaranth> j-rock_: anyway, i'm probably biased, since i know a vlc hacker ;)
[01:47] <Razor-X> i'm not biased ;)
[01:47] <Razor-X> I just loved the damned thing
[01:48] <j-rock_> Amaranth: it looks nice
[01:48] <j-rock_> Amaranth: i'll just have to try it out
[01:48] <Amaranth> too bad it's gone in breezy right now
[01:48] <Rymastah> wait
[01:48] <Amaranth> i've been stuck with mplayer *shudder*
[01:48] <Rymastah> I got it
[01:48] <Rymastah> wait
[01:48] <Razor-X> it looks horrid on a KDE system, but, I don't really care about looks that much comparitive to functionality
[01:48] <Rymastah> no I dont.
[01:48] <Razor-X> Amaranth: ewwww >_<
[01:48] <Rymastah> I stil ldont have the permissions to extract it there.
[01:48] <Razor-X> even on my Windows box, I use VLC
[01:49] <nickrud> we waits
[01:49] <iceman> time to reboot ...
[01:49] <iceman> wish me luck
[01:49] <nickrud> iceman, good
[01:49] <nickrud> luch
[01:49] <Rymastah> so what do I do about it?
[01:49] <Amaranth> hehe, i've gotten to the point where after the initial load it only takes about a second to do something
[01:49] <borkdox> Hello
[01:49] <Amaranth> instead of taking 10 seconds
[01:49] <dooglus> what command do you use to run 'vlc'?  just 'vlc', or is there a gui version with keyboard seeking?
[01:49] <Razor-X> but, I guess once I start the limit crunching, it's fun
[01:49] <borkdox> My xorg is segfaulting when I use the glx extention in the nvidia modules
[01:49] <Amaranth> dooglus: it's a gui, but vlc starts it
[01:49] <Razor-X> and that's coming from a 15 year-old ;)
[01:50] <borkdox> in other words it does not loads if I have glx extention enabled
[01:50] <dooglus> Amaranth: I don't seem to be able to seek through the movie with the keyboard, and I can't use the gui if it's 'full screen'ed
[01:50] <Amaranth> Razor-X: Damn, I wasn't in a pre-calc class until I was a junior, it sucked.
[01:50] <Razor-X> Amaranth: I love math, so sue me ;)
[01:50] <Amaranth> dooglus: pg-up/pg-down
[01:50] <Razor-X> when I get into the number crunching, it gets really fun
[01:50] <dooglus> Amaranth: doesn't do anything for me
[01:50] <Razor-X> even though i've been known to let out my worst curse-words then
[01:51] <Rymastah> so how do I get permissions to extract it?
[01:51] <Rymastah> Damn.
[01:51] <Razor-X> Rymastah: "sudo chmod -R 771 /path/to/extraction
[01:51] <Razor-X> "
[01:51] <Jormundgand> Razor-X: So what's the derivative product rule?
[01:51] <Amaranth> Razor-X: naughty, use sudo
[01:51] <j-rock_> i dont have tyme for sudo
[01:52] <j-rock_> fsck
[01:52] <j-rock_> time
[01:52] <j-rock_> sudo -s
[01:52] <Amaranth> Razor-X: I quit the class because we had to do so many proofs. I _hate_ proofs. :)
[01:52] <iceman> ok .. now for kde ?
[01:52] <Razor-X> Amaranth: I only can't stand Geometric proofs
[01:52] <Razor-X> Jormundgand: am staring at it right now on WikiBooks
[01:52] <Amaranth> yeah, lots of those
[01:52] <blahrus> is xchat systray in backports yet  . . . saw it in the forum, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34265 but not finding it in apt at all
[01:52] <geneo93> sudo passwd root
[01:52] <nickrud> iceman, sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[01:52] <Rymastah> Still dont have permissions
[01:52] <Rymastah> thats weird
[01:52] <Razor-X> I can't stand geometry at all
[01:53] <synd> how do i kill an app from terminal?
[01:53] <blahrus> killall prog*
[01:53] <Amaranth> i got through geometry with a D because i didn't do the proofs :)
[01:53] <iceman> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:53] <iceman>   kubuntu-desktop: Depends: python-imaging-sane but it is not installable
[01:53] <iceman>                    Depends: python-newt but it is not installable
[01:53] <iceman>                    Depends: xorg-driver-synaptics but it is not installable
[01:53] <iceman> ouch
[01:53] <Razor-X> I'm getting through with a C because I don't want to do the homework
[01:53] <synd> blahrus: so if it were gaim itd be killall gaim ?
[01:53] <Razor-X> look, who the hell will even _use_ it
[01:53] <Amaranth> iceman: Are you on breezy?
[01:53] <Razor-X> Calculus is at least fun, Geometry is just.....
[01:53] <blahrus> yea
[01:54] <iceman> no ...
[01:54] <Razor-X> boringo!
[01:54] <amonkey> what is the name of the menu editor?
[01:54] <nickrud> Amaranth, I just gave him http://pastebin.com/290397 and he was to do apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:54] <j-rock_> Razor-X: i loved geometry
[01:54] <j-rock_> Razor-X: i hated algebra
[01:54] <Razor-X> j-rock_: ewwww!
[01:54] <Razor-X> Algebra is so fun
[01:54] <j-rock_> algebra blew
[01:54] <Razor-X> I can do Algebra lightning quick
[01:54] <_kevin> is there a new version of ubuntu thent he 5.04
[01:54] <Amaranth> algebra was too simple
[01:55] <Razor-X> Geometry is simple too
[01:55] <j-rock_> Razor-X: i could too, but i got docked i ton of points because i never needed to show any work
[01:55] <Amaranth> the teacher thought i was cheating because i was doing too much in my head though ;)
[01:55] <Razor-X> but, it's like, idiotic
[01:55] <j-rock_> s/i/a
[01:55] <Razor-X> Amaranth: that's what my dad says to me ;0
[01:55] <synd> algebra II sucked ballsack
[01:55] <Rymastah> ughhh
[01:55] <j-rock_> no calc3 sucked ballsack
[01:55] <synd> trig, precal and calculus was fun
[01:55] <j-rock_> just finished that one up
[01:55] <Amaranth> algebra II was fun
[01:55] <synd> blah
[01:55] <borkdox> What is the measure of one angle in a right triangle?
[01:55] <Razor-X> our teacher, you can take your book out from your backpack, and put it underneath the desk, and read it, and he won't care
[01:55] <j-rock_> borkdox: depends
[01:55] <Razor-X> bokdox: 197!
[01:56] <Razor-X> *borkdox
[01:56] <borkdox> lmao
[01:56] <Amaranth> borkdox: i need the length of two sides
[01:56] <_kevin> there a new version of ubuntu higher then the 5.04?
[01:56] <borkdox> 90
[01:56] <Razor-X> during the test, I mean
[01:56] <borkdox> its a right triangle
[01:56] <Amaranth> _kevin: it's in development, see the topic
[01:56] <Rev_Fry> It's breezy
[01:56] <borkdox> there wil always be 90degrees angle
[01:56] <synd> geometry and trig was cake
[01:56] <iceman> i need some packages for kde .. ?
[01:56] <Razor-X> borkdox: you said _one_ angle, 90 s a possibility
[01:56] <Rev_Fry> But yer not supposed to touch it.  =)
[01:56] <Razor-X> Trig is just plain stupid
[01:56] <Razor-X> it's a bunch of idiotic ratios
[01:56] <Amaranth> borkdox: bleh, i thought you wanted any angle, not just one
[01:56] <borkdox> ok
[01:56] <borkdox> :D
[01:56] <j-rock_> Razor-X: there is a LOAD of trig in calculus
[01:57] <_kevin> breazy has a lot of probs right now?
[01:57] <borkdox> precalc is fun tough
[01:57] <Razor-X> j-rock_: I know, unfortunately
[01:57] <borkdox> cant wait for calculus next tear
[01:57] <Amaranth> _kevin: X not working is a major one
[01:57] <Razor-X> borkdox: do what i'm doing, learn it yourself ;)
[01:57] <tritium> _kevin, please wait a while on using breezy
[01:57] <synd> i want to be able to do the math like in a beautiful mind
[01:57] <synd> lol
[01:57] <Amaranth> _kevin: random app breakage, things not upgrading properly, not being able to boot
[01:57] <_kevin> i heard alot of X what is this X thing
[01:57] <j-rock_> calc 3 and linear algebra were my last two math courses i needed to take for me degree
[01:57] <j-rock_> :)
[01:57] <Razor-X> Game theory is idiotic too, IMO ;)
[01:57] <synd> !!!
[01:57] <Razor-X> j-rock_: in what?
[01:57] <Amaranth> _kevin: X is the thing that makes it so you see windows and icons instead of a command line :)
[01:57] <synd> game theory SUCKS ASSHOLE.
[01:57] <j-rock_> Razor-X: computer science
[01:58] <geneo93> i may just do breezy on a spare drive
[01:58] <_kevin> ohhh
[01:58] <Razor-X> that'll never be it for me ;)
[01:58] <Razor-X> i'm hoping to go into math, meself
[01:58] <Amaranth> game theory? never did that
[01:58] <j-rock_> Razor-X: i hate mathematicians generally
[01:58] <Razor-X> Game Theories applications are so limited, it's just idiotic
[01:58] <Razor-X> j-rock_: love it
[01:58] <Razor-X> especially set theory
[01:58] <Razor-X> like, raw raw math
[01:58] <synd> game theory is so stupid
[01:58] <synd> seriously
[01:58] <j-rock_> Razor-X: they don't give a shit about the real world, they like their little happy place where math wins
[01:58] <Razor-X> yeah
[01:58] <Amaranth> you know what math really sucks? elliptic curve encryption
[01:59] <Rev_Fry> So, I was running into hang problems and applications never showing up even though processes showed in top.  I disabled cups (because the system would hang shutting that down)  and that (so far) has fixed the problem.  AMD64 2800+ 768RAM MSI K8N NEO Plat 9600XT... in case anyone else has run into the issue.
[01:59] <goldfish> set theory is so boring
[01:59] <j-rock_> Razor-X: i'd prefer talking to an engineer to a mathematician any day
[01:59] <goldfish> so so so boring
[01:59] <Razor-X> j-rock_: well, the world of your application is so real, it's dead
[01:59] <j-rock_> Razor-X: what?
[01:59] <Razor-X> true beauty is found in the playing field of all things unimaginable and imaginable!
[01:59] <synd> thats deep
[01:59] <synd> ;d
[01:59] <j-rock_> but i miss out because i can only imagine half of it!
[01:59] <Razor-X> Application never floated my boat anyways ;)
[02:00] <synd> all this nonsense is making me want a cigarette
[02:00] <j-rock_> application is the only thing that floats my boat
[02:00] <Razor-X> i'm the type of person who can do a huge problem
[02:00] <Razor-X> and mess up on x-3=5
[02:00] <j-rock_> i like doing, as opposed to talking
[02:00] <Amaranth> ok, let's talk about ubuntu again ;)
[02:00] <j-rock_> p00
[02:00] <synd> ubuntu?
[02:00] <synd> whats that?
[02:00] <j-rock_> l33t p00
[02:00] <Razor-X> Amaranth: heh ;)
[02:00] <Razor-X> p00pn0
[02:00] <j-rock_> yooboontoo
[02:00] <geneo93> well have one
[02:00] <zenrox> yep thats how its pronuced
[02:01] <synd> oo-BOON-too
[02:01] <Razor-X> I pronounce it "oo-Boon-too"
[02:01] <Amaranth> like, how smeg is totally leeching off the awesome work of Heinrich Wendel, the developer of pyxdg
[02:01] <pepsi> oo buhn too
[02:01] <pepsi> ;)
[02:01] <Razor-X> although, my African friend says "uh-buhn-tuh"
[02:01] <Razor-X> so, I 'unno
[02:01] <Razor-X> *African-American
[02:01] <synd> i love telling people what kind of OS im using
[02:01] <Amaranth> figures i'd plug him since all my bugs are actually his ;)
[02:01] <synd> theyre like "that doesnt look like windows"
[02:01] <synd> and im like no, its called Ubuntu
[02:01] <zenrox> lol
[02:01] <zenrox> me too
[02:01] <synd> and theyre like what the fuck did you just say?
[02:01] <Amaranth> people laugh at me when i tell them that
[02:02] <Razor-X> my friends all know what Linux is, but, they're a bit afraid to touch it
[02:02] <Razor-X> although, on the other hand....
[02:02] <Razor-X> I have a trackball and use the Dvorak keyboard
[02:02] <synd> i was in that same boat Razor-X
[02:02] <borkdox> so anyone knows about nvidia's glx not letting xorg start?
[02:02] <synd> dvorak keyboards are nice
[02:02] <synd> i want to learn
[02:02] <Amaranth> so i started telling them i was using hoary hedgehog, they thought it was porn or something
[02:02] <Razor-X> so, they wouldn't be too surprised about anything geekishly new
[02:02] <Razor-X> you should, it's better up here ;)
[02:02] <synd> Amaranth: haha
[02:02] <zenrox> borkdox, have you done a sudo modprobe nvidia
[02:03] <Razor-X> Trackballs are also nice too
[02:03] <pepsi> why didnt they change grumpy to breezy? :(
[02:03] <j-rock_> i hate trackballs
[02:03] <Razor-X> love mine ;)
[02:03] <j-rock_> i hate a lot of things
[02:03] <pepsi> er why did they, rather
[02:03] <cliebow_> me too
[02:03] <j-rock_> i hate most mice too
[02:03] <Razor-X> it's a thumb-trackball
[02:03] <Razor-X> Mice suck
[02:03] <Razor-X> they're barbaric devices, totally
[02:03] <synd> Amaranth: i wrote "hoary hedgehog" on the cd i use to install with and my friend was like dude you still watch porn?
[02:03] <cliebow_> mine is a toe trackball
[02:03] <j-rock_> if its not a specific type of logitech mouse i generally dont like it
[02:03] <underline> hey guys.... what's the default root password on ubuntu??
[02:04] <pepsi> there is none
[02:04] <synd> what you set it
[02:04] <synd> when you install it
[02:04] <synd> i think?
[02:04] <pepsi> there is no root password when you install it
[02:04] <Razor-X> underline: there is none
[02:04] <cliebow_> yes
[02:04] <Razor-X> use sudo to do anything root-wise
[02:04] <j-rock_> underline: sudo -s, with your own passwd, will get you a root shell
[02:04] <synd> oh duh
[02:04] <Razor-X> or, if you must, there is a command
[02:04] <underline> tkx
[02:04] <tritium> underline, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:04] <Razor-X> I'm planning to make a really stupid, under-budget film about me learning BASH
[02:04] <synd> i wonder if i should put ubuntu on my ibook
[02:05] <Razor-X> since, I tried to install X-Windows, and it wouldn't work
[02:05] <Razor-X> I said "fuck it" and started BASH
[02:05] <borkdox> zenrox, of course
[02:05] <Razor-X> so, the movie will start off with this ninja figthing MS thugs
[02:05] <borkdox> zenrox, I am using xorg with nvidia as the Display Driver, but without the glx extentions
[02:05] <Razor-X> and it zooms back to his past
[02:05] <Razor-X> and he's like... way younger
[02:05] <geneo93> try putting nvidia in modprobe prelosd
[02:05] <j-rock_> i dont like os X either
[02:05] <tritium> borkdox, you're using the "nvidia" driver?
[02:05] <geneo93> preload
[02:05] <zenrox> ya listen to him
[02:06] <borkdox> zenrox, if I enable the glx extentions the Xserver does not start.  It crashes before starting with a signal 11 error (Segfault...).
[02:06] <Razor-X> and his master makes him go into this land of no light (BASH prompt) and learn his senses again
[02:06] <borkdox> tritium, yes
[02:06] <Razor-X> and he starts fighting enemies to get their powers
[02:06] <cliebow_> i have like 400 ibooks to service..i despise them
[02:06] <borkdox> tritium, amd64
[02:06] <Razor-X> (aka BASH commands, such as grep)
[02:06] <Amaranth> synd: your wireless chipset isn't supported
[02:06] <Razor-X> and, the final boss is chmod ;)
[02:06] <eonia> anyone up for answering a clueless question?
[02:06] <synd> Amaranth: i know.. its why i havent really bothered with it
[02:06] <j-rock_> Razor-X: so what happens when he defeats the vicious kill -9
[02:06] <Amaranth> synd: since it's a broadcom and the only way that's supported at all is with ndiswrapper, which is x86 only.
[02:06] <tritium> borkdox, do you have "nvidia" in /etc/modules ?
[02:07] <Razor-X> j-rock_: he gets his powers ;)
[02:07] <synd> Amaranth: all my computers in my house are wireless, even the desktop towers
[02:07] <j-rock_> Razor-X: what about a dual end boss, chown + chmod
[02:07] <Razor-X> j-rock_: !!! that's harsh!
[02:07] <j-rock_> not as harsh as rm -rf
[02:07] <Razor-X> no no, he learns man first
[02:07] <Razor-X> and man becomes his friend
[02:07] <synd> Amaranth: do you suppose that the ibook wireless chipset will be supported in the future?
[02:08] <Amaranth> synd: It's sad because if wireless was supported my next laptop would be a powerbook, no doubt. But since it isn't I'll probably be getting a Pentium-M system.
[02:08] <Razor-X> and, so, after he kills an enemy (they're using no secondary options, except chmod, and a few others) he asks man about them
[02:08] <Amaranth> synd: afaik no one has even started trying to reverse engineer the broadcom chipset.
[02:08] <Razor-X> but, the final boss makes him understand a fault in his friend man
[02:08] <eonia> I'm using the live ubuntu CD, and trying to mount my windows hard drive partition. Unfortunately, /etc/fstab doesn't even exist. I'm not sure what to tell the mount command? Sorry if this is painfully obvious :)
[02:08] <synd> Amaranth: you can use the pcmcia slot on the powerbook
[02:08] <Razor-X> "Bad Documentation"
[02:08] <borkdox> tritium, is in lsmod, hotplug autmatically loads it so it is not needed in /etc/modules...
[02:08] <eonia> I'm going to assume somewhere there is an hda...
[02:09] <synd> Amaranth: the powerbook is leaps and bounds in ahead of a pentium-m
[02:09] <Amaranth> synd: If I'm paying $1500 for a computer I don't want to spend more on a pcmcia card. ;)
[02:09] <synd> imho
[02:09] <tritium> borkdox, okay.  And your /etc/X11/xorg.conf specifies the correct driver (i.e. nvidia, not nv)?
[02:09] <borkdox> tritium, I just checkd and it is in /etc/modules also
[02:09] <Amaranth> synd: I know it is, I love apple hardware.
[02:09] <borkdox> tritium, yep
[02:09] <synd> Amaranth: well! its worth the extra 35 for a pcmcia card then :)
[02:09] <tritium> borkdox, what does your /var/log/Xorg.0.log tell you?
[02:09] <Razor-X> I can't really stand apple software
[02:09] <Razor-X> but, the PPC is uber awesomes
[02:09] <j-rock_> apple software is weak
[02:09] <_kevin> are the actual people that make ubuntu in here?
[02:09] <Amaranth> OS X would be awesome if I hadn't found ubuntu
[02:09] <j-rock_> but yes, ppc is awesome
[02:10] <borkdox> tritium, Signal 11 after it loads or tries to load the Nvidia Glx module
[02:10] <synd> Amaranth: i know exactly what you mean
[02:10] <Amaranth> _kevin: some of them yes. They have their own channel for talking about development.
[02:10] <Razor-X> OS X is BSD with a bit more on it
[02:10] <j-rock_> bsd userland, mach kernel iirc
[02:10] <kroc_eating_icec> exactlu
[02:10] <synd> Amaranth: j-rock_ apple sofrtware is second to none
[02:10] <_kevin> i just wanted to suggest adding Wine to the next version
[02:10] <Razor-X> eonia: create a /etc/fstab, googling for advice
[02:10] <borkdox> tritium, I commented the Load "glx" line in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and it loads well, so I guess it is a problem especifically with nvidia-glx
[02:10] <j-rock_> i grew up with bsd
[02:10] <_kevin> casue installin it right now is a headace
[02:10] <synd> oops i didnt mean to put Amaranth
[02:10] <Amaranth> Razor-X: But I write Smeg and PyMusique so I need a linux machine. ;)
[02:10] <Razor-X> me no like BSD
[02:10] <j-rock_> and i really dislike os x
[02:10] <j-rock_> i LOVE bsd
[02:10] <tritium> borkdox, specific to amd64, perhaps
[02:10] <Razor-X> Amaranth: heh
[02:10] <kroc_eating_icec> i grew up with DOS
[02:11] <Razor-X> me no like BSD
[02:11] <Amaranth> iTunes, iMovie, GarageBand, iPhoto, etc are the best
[02:11] <Razor-X> I grew up with Windows 95
[02:11] <tritium> _kevin, wine is available
[02:11] <j-rock_> Amaranth: to each their own
[02:11] <Razor-X> (yes yes, i'm young, so sue me)
[02:11] <romm3r> you'll be lying if you say you don't like the gui though ;)
[02:11] <synd> j-rock_: i grew up on WinOS and I love OS X : p
[02:11] <Amaranth> i guess f-spot is about as good as iPhoto
[02:11] <Razor-X> I don't
[02:11] <j-rock_> synd: once again, to each their own
[02:11] <Razor-X> I like GUI somewhat, but I sitll like CLI more
[02:11] <eonia> Razor-X, ty, I'll give it a shot
[02:11] <_kevin> i think it might be a good idea to add a tutioal for it on ubuntuguide
[02:11] <Razor-X> eonia: stay here if you have any trouble with it
[02:11] <j-rock_> we bought two mac minis at work, we booted up os X
[02:11] <Amaranth> Razor-X: I started with an Apple ] [. :)
[02:11] <kroc_eating_icec> hm.. since itunes.imusic,ipod are all mac... is ifriends mac too?
[02:12] <Razor-X> Amaranth: not that old ;)
[02:12] <_kevin> the one ubuntufourms is kind of messed
[02:12] <Amaranth> I'm not that old though, it was just cheap.
[02:12] <synd> i have 3 mac minis, 1 iMac g5s and an iBook g4
[02:12] <_kevin> since alot of people said it didn't for for them
[02:12] <j-rock_> didn't even make it through the registration process and we got irritated with having to register shit
[02:12] <Razor-X> in the last 12 years, we've bought two machines
[02:12] <j-rock_> rebooted, and installed gentoo
[02:12] <Razor-X> the original one I grew up on, a P100
[02:12] <Razor-X> and a newer P4 1.6 with 256 RAM
[02:12] <Strife> so, Pentium M's... they fall simply under 686, right?
[02:12] <Razor-X> and that's _all_
[02:12] <Razor-X> my mom is against buying computers
[02:13] <kroc_eating_icec> amish?
[02:13] <Razor-X> and thus, we don'
[02:13] <j-rock_> Razor-X: get a job?
[02:13] <Razor-X> *don't
[02:13] <Razor-X> kroc_eating_icec: no, she just thinks there's no use to put money there
[02:13] <j-rock_> or just score old parts, and build your own Razor-X
[02:13] <Amaranth> ah, those were the days
[02:13] <Razor-X> j-rock_: parents wouldn't let me buy it, regardless
[02:13] <j-rock_> Amaranth: nice
[02:13] <Razor-X> nor would they let me build it
[02:13] <Amaranth> 4MB was a lot then, I guess. I was only 12 so I just used it.
[02:14] <synd> Amaranth: i remember when i first heard the term GB for storage capacity
[02:14] <Razor-X> my 486 behind me has 8MB
[02:14] <synd> i was like WHO NEEDS THAT MUCH?!
[02:14] <Razor-X> Amaranth: .................
[02:14] <Amaranth> hehe, my first GB HD was 1998
[02:14] <penguinparty> having alsa troubles here donloaded alsa 1.0.9rc4a and installed it but I think the old kernel modules are still getting loaded
[02:14] <Amaranth> i needed it because Win98 was a pig
[02:14] <Razor-X> I remember when I was 12, that was just 2 years and a month ago >_<
[02:14] <synd> oh yeah
[02:14] <robertj> I'm a storage hog
[02:14] <synd> i have an old packard bell intel 66Mhz
[02:14] <kroc_eating_icec> lol Razor-X
[02:14] <robertj> one day this week I realized I had 1.75 TB hooked up to my desktop at work ;)
[02:14] <dooglus> what's the command that tells you how much of each swap device is in use?
[02:14] <synd> that was our first computer, back in 1994
[02:15] <Razor-X> robertj: holy mother....
[02:15] <synd> we used it until 2001, seriously
[02:15] <dooglus> I thought it was an option to 'swapon', but can't find it
[02:15] <Razor-X> that's it?!
[02:15] <geneo93> top
[02:15] <Razor-X> we used our 486 from 1995 to 2001
[02:15] <Razor-X> *2003
[02:15] <synd> thats absurd
[02:15] <Razor-X> and then, there was a registry problem, and my dad _finally_ decided to get a new machine
[02:15] <synd> i booted up win 3.1 the other day
[02:15] <synd> it was nostalgic
[02:16] <Razor-X> like I said, my parents don't like computers
[02:16] <kroc_eating_icec> kikikiki
[02:16] <geneo93> i have a C64
[02:16] <kroc_eating_icec> lololol
[02:16] <penguinparty> I have /lib/modules/2.6.8.11/kernel/sound. . ./snd-au8820.ko   and /lib/modules/2.6.8.11/updates/alsa/. . . ./snd-au8820.ko
[02:16] <Razor-X> C64 games PWN!!!!
[02:16] <robertj> I was cloning my hard drive onto my co-workers since we got new matching machines (250 a piece), but it wouldn't reach so I put 200 gig firewire drive in the middle to bridge the gap
[02:16] <j-rock_> dooglus: free -m ?
[02:16] <robertj> and then while I was doing that my 1 TB LaCie drive arrived
[02:16] <synd> robertj: what do you store?
[02:16] <dooglus> j-rock_: that's not the one I was thinking of, but thanks :)
[02:16] <Razor-X> robertj: holy.....
[02:16] <Amaranth> synd: I found a copy of Windows 1.0 on the internet and booted this crap IBM PS/2 that I was messing with a couple years ago. It was sad.
[02:17] <robertj> synd: faculty and staff desktop backops, home directories for 800 lab-users, system images, etc
[02:17] <Razor-X> I heard Windows 1.0 was so so crappy...
[02:17] <j-rock_> you heard right
[02:17] <Razor-X> my old machine is now using DSL
[02:17] <synd> Amaranth: i can imagine. i dont even remember win 1.0.. i was too young
[02:17] <Razor-X> (as in Damn Small Linux)
[02:17] <synd> robertj: i see
[02:17] <robertj> btw, if anyone here happens to have access to MS Bob, send me a /msg ;)
[02:17] <Razor-X> 1.0 was quite a bit before my birth ;)
[02:17] <Amaranth> oh $DEITY, ms bob
[02:17] <Amaranth> melinda gates was behind that monster
[02:17] <nickrud> Amaranth, I actually used visio in 1.04, it ran building automations systems :)
[02:18] <Amaranth> ms bob is who we have to thank for clippy and the dog in WinXP search
[02:18] <Razor-X> Amaranth: so if you're aetheist, $DEITY == null?
[02:18] <synd> Razor-X: DSL is nice, eh?
[02:18] <Razor-X> synd: good for an old machine, definitely
[02:18] <Amaranth> Razor-X: Sure.
[02:18] <Strife> anyone in here have an ATI x300 and gotten fglrx working?
[02:18] <penguinparty> how do you tell linux which ko to use when you have more then one
[02:18] <Razor-X> only thing is, in a Californian summer, the heat it generates is too too much
[02:18] <kroc_eating_icec> i still have my DOS machine...works justfine
[02:18] <humbraro> dsl is good, but it has tinyx compiled without xdmcp support :(
[02:18] <Amaranth> penguinparty: ko?
[02:18] <r0d> at&t sam is better than ms bob.
[02:19] <penguinparty> kernel object
[02:19] <synd> penguinparty: lo?
[02:19] <Razor-X> Amaranth: he means kernel 2.6 module
[02:19] <Zodiac> Sup dawgs
[02:19] <Beastboy> Got a problem with hoary, need some help
[02:19] <synd> Beastboy: ask and you shall receive
[02:19] <Amaranth> Razor-X: ah, i knew that sounded familiar
[02:19] <Razor-X> humbraro: TinyX is all that works on that old clunker
[02:19] <Beastboy> I am trying to install mplayer in synaptic package mgr
[02:19] <Razor-X> it's video card is quite non-standard
[02:19] <penguinparty> I have two snd-au8820.ko files one from the kernel build and one from the new alsa
[02:19] <penguinparty> in different directories
[02:19] <Razor-X> here's a quote from the sticker on the box (which I still have)
[02:19] <Beastboy> and I get these messages when I click install
[02:20] <Beastboy> mplayer-386:
[02:20] <Beastboy>  Depends: libavcodeccvs but it is not going to be installed
[02:20] <Beastboy>   Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[02:20] <Beastboy>   Depends: libfontconfig1 (>=2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[02:20] <Beastboy>  Depends: libpostproc0 but it is not going to be installed
[02:20] <Beastboy>   Depends: libvorbis0a (>=1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[02:20] <Beastboy>  Depends: libxvidcore4 but it is not going to be installed
[02:20] <Beastboy>   Depends: xmms (>=1.2.10+cvs20050209) but 1.2.10-2ubuntu1 is to be installed
[02:20] <Razor-X> "1 MB of Video Memory, upgradeable to 2!!!!"
[02:20] <synd> ack im so stupid. I broke down an Athlon 1.3Ghz, 512 DDR, 40GB because i deemed it useless.. (this was before i found ubuntu)
[02:20] <Amaranth> Beastboy: Do you have marillat repositories enabled?
[02:20] <Beastboy> ??
[02:20] <nickrud> Beastboy, get rid of marillat
[02:20] <synd> i wanted the RAM from that to be put in my main PC
[02:20] <humbraro> Razor-X: yep, but i got an old pII 266 with a bad hdd - so i use it as an X terminal with knoppix
[02:20] <Beastboy> don't know
[02:20] <Razor-X> humbraro: heh
[02:20] <amonkey> how do i remove a app menu entry that doesn't show in smeg?
[02:20] <Amaranth> Beastboy: Did you use the ubuntu guide?
[02:20] <Beastboy> how do i check
[02:21] <Amaranth> amonkey: what entry?
[02:21] <synd> Beastboy: ubuntuguide.org
[02:21] <humbraro> took me forever to figure out what was wrong with dsl - turns out it was on purpose
[02:21] <robertj> anyone here have an i915 based-card?
[02:21] <kroc> hm... whats ubuntu live cd?
[02:21] <Beastboy> na, had some LU's a school help me
[02:21] <synd> kroc: running Ubuntu from a CD
[02:21] <Amaranth> kroc: An Ubuntu install that runs off the CD, doesn't touch your HD at all.
[02:21] <synd> kroc: you dont have to install it on an HDD
[02:21] <amonkey> Amaranth, ut2004 made a "other" folder for itself, and transgaming decided that they were important enough to warrant their own menu as well
[02:21] <penguinparty> I cant get my sound to work . . . no /dev/dsp
[02:21] <Determinist> hey guys , my laptop got turned off cos the battery emptied while i was busy at work and not paying attention to it. now i've started it back up and firefox is giving me "the connection was refused when attempting to connect to localhost" , but as far as i can tell apache2 is up and running. help please?
[02:21] <Razor-X> my dream is to get LTSP to run KDE on that old machine
[02:21] <Amaranth> Beastboy: Go smack them, the broke your system.
[02:21] <Razor-X> and then, i'll take a physical screenshot!
[02:21] <Razor-X> my 486, running KDE
[02:21] <Amaranth> amonkey: "Other" is the menu for entries that don't have a menu
[02:22] <Razor-X> how f'ing awesome XD
[02:22] <nickrud> Beastboy, http://pastebin.com/290397 use that as your /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:22] <synd> kde... blah :p
[02:22] <Amaranth> amonkey: It's for unsorted things. Hide the entry that's inside it or move the entry somewhere else.
[02:22] <nalioth> howdy
[02:22] <Strife> anyone gotten an ATI Mobility Radeon X300 working with fglrx?
[02:22] <amonkey> Amaranth, how do i move it?
[02:22] <synd> hi nalioth
[02:22] <Razor-X> synd: I like KDE and XFce, but, KDE only because it's waaay too beefy for the machine ;0
[02:22] <nickrud> Beastboy, apt-get update, apt-get install mplayer-<your architecture>
[02:22] <_kevin> anyone know a good way to stream music on ubuntu, something like shoutcast
[02:22] <Razor-X> *;)
[02:22] <Amaranth> amonkey: drag and drop onto the menu you want it to go into
[02:22] <synd> Razor-X: im an xfce nut
[02:22] <Razor-X> _kevin: use VLC
[02:22] <nalioth> synd how did the prozzing go?
[02:23] <Razor-X> I love XFce
[02:23] <_kevin> VLC
[02:23] <_kevin> i'll google it
[02:23] <Razor-X> _kevin: it's a media player with great streaming capabilities
[02:23] <kroc> Razor-X: same
[02:23] <Amaranth> _kevin: You want to stream the music? icecast would probably work
[02:23] <tritium> _kevin, I use gnump3d
[02:23] <synd> nalioth: went well
[02:23] <Razor-X> good, i like you ;)
[02:23] <Razor-X> you can actually use... google!
[02:23] <kroc> um.. me?
[02:23] <Razor-X> congratulations!
[02:23] <Razor-X> no, I mean _kevin
[02:23] <amonkey> Amaranth, doesn't work. makes a small yellow box. will copy it self to launcher and to desktop
[02:23] <synd> nalioth: i found out a good deal of stuff
[02:23] <kroc> o lol
[02:23] <_kevin> ye i wanna play muci and other ppl connect to my comp and listen
[02:23] <Razor-X> it seems about 99.5% of the rest of the channel can't
[02:23] <_kevin> kind like on shoutcast
[02:23] <Amaranth> amonkey: I meant drag it in smeg.
[02:23] <_kevin> also i prefer if it has fade in and fade out features
[02:23] <nalioth> synd: enlighten us
[02:24] <Amaranth> amonkey: Drag the entry that's in smeg to the menu in smeg that you want it to go into.
[02:24] <geekitus> hi all
[02:24] <eonia> Hey, I can use google :-)
[02:24] <Razor-X> _kevin: ohh, then maybe you want to check up on shoutcast for Linux
[02:24] <eonia> I just don't always do so :)
[02:24] <Razor-X> eonia: or that ;)
[02:24] <kroc> damn... i dont have a soundcard on this pc... sucks.
[02:24] <amonkey> Amaranth, it doesn't come up in smeg at all. there is no other folder
[02:24] <eonia> Usually I'm the one saying "Google is your friend" :-)
[02:24] <Amaranth> _kevin: try icecast
[02:24] <kroc> and my mp3player is out of CDs
[02:24] <Razor-X> another thing I really want to do is
[02:24] <Amaranth> amonkey: smeg 0.6.2?
[02:24] <Razor-X> run my MP3 player to as many amp-type devices in my house as possible
[02:25] <amonkey> .5, will get 0.6.2 and get back to you
[02:25] <Razor-X> and see how the signal comes out with bass going through a subwoofer
[02:25] <synd> ah! i love how you can change workspaces with the scroll wheel in xfce !
[02:25] <Cristobal> hi, is there a way to run microsoft office 2003 on ubuntu
[02:25] <Razor-X> synd: mmmhmmm!
[02:25] <synd> Cristobal: no
[02:25] <synd> Cristobal: yes and no
[02:25] <Razor-X> Cristobal: nope
[02:25] <kroc> with scroll weel? dang..
[02:26] <Cristobal> crossover wont run version 2003 i think they are working on that
[02:26] <tritium> Cristobal, with wine , perhaps.  particularly if you install winetools & wine versions form winehq.com
[02:26] <humbraro> thats a slick little frature
[02:26] <Razor-X> but, without shelling out money, you can run Open Office
[02:26] <Cristobal> openoffice is crap compared to ms office
[02:26] <kent> whats the prefered way of making the gnome panel to re-read the list of programs (*.desktop files)?
[02:26] <Razor-X> I heard you can run Office 2000 with Wine, though
[02:26] <_kevin> ok
[02:26] <Cristobal> yes u can
[02:26] <kroc> i dont have a scroll wheel...... ,_,
[02:26] <eonia> Razor-X: found it. Just a nitpick, but since it is a live/demonstration Ubuntu CD, you might want to suggest to the devs to make it a little easier to mount the HDD (a menu option or desktop icon perhaps, as opposed to command line style; I can use DOS etc, but I'm not that familiar with *ix command lines yet)
[02:26] <Razor-X> nalioth: MS Office? ;)
[02:26] <synd> Cristobal: OOo is free
[02:26] <synd> Cristobal: Office is not.
[02:26] <Cristobal> i know but it sucks
[02:26] <synd> MS*
[02:26] <_kevin> with icecast it's just a server and i play songs on XMMS and it streams it?
[02:26] <Cristobal> i never paid for my ms office 2003 so its ok
[02:26] <Cristobal> :P
[02:26] <synd> Cristobal: it gets the job done.
[02:26] <nalioth> Razor-X: please! this is a civilized channel (or supposed to be)
[02:26] <Razor-X> kroc: my trackball has one ;)
[02:27] <_kevin> also for ice cast i do sudo apt-get install icecast?
[02:27] <Razor-X> nalioth: XD
[02:27] <synd> personally, i think Pages and Keynote kick the shit out of office
[02:27] <eonia> Razor-X, : I'll second that, I've used Office (Office XP) with WINE, and Powerpoint works fine as well.
[02:27] <kroc> Cristobal: i paid 10$ for WinXP
[02:27] <Razor-X> eonia: mmm, never had much of a problem with it, meself
[02:27] <synd> kroc: you PAID for winxp?
[02:27] <eonia> Razor-X, you my friend, are familiar with the command line :-)
[02:27] <Razor-X> there you go, eonia is our testimonial
[02:27] <synd> they should pay you, to use it
[02:27] <Razor-X> kroc: I did'nt pay a thing ;)
[02:27] <nalioth> synd, so what did you discover?
[02:27] <Determinist> anyone? please?
[02:27] <kroc> ?!
[02:27] <Zodiac> What repostiory do I need to add to get the windows codecs?
[02:27] <kroc> ?!?!!?
[02:27] <Razor-X> eonia: well, I learned it when I was... 11... IIRC
[02:27] <Razor-X> so, it sohuldn't be that hard
[02:27] <Cristobal> krox i never paid for any of my software i have downloaded all windows versions , office stuff, photoshop etc
[02:27] <xvlun> Zodiac, marillat
[02:27] <Cristobal> im a total illegal guy
[02:27] <synd> nalioth: about having multiple threads and what not..
[02:27] <kroc> Razor-X: you got it for free?
[02:28] <Zodiac> Do you got a link?
[02:28] <Razor-X> I also started out with vi, something which is supposed to be incredible hard to learn for a n00b
[02:28] <tritium> Cristobal, we don't want to discuss that here please
[02:28] <Razor-X> kroc: of course ;)
[02:28] <xvlun> Zodiac, google has
[02:28] <eonia> Razor-X, you're forgetting that windows people have the mind of a 3 year old, not an 11 year old :)
[02:28] <kroc> Razor-X: well, BEAT MY 25cent COMPUTER!
[02:28] <Razor-X> eonia: ahhh, thanks for reminding me
[02:28] <Zodiac> ha ha
[02:28] <Zodiac> damn
[02:28] <Zodiac> all right
[02:28] <Razor-X> kroc: exactly ;)
[02:28] <synd> nalioth: i went to work, booted up ubuntu, and DL'd mandriva dvd, and used the new DVD publisher we just got in :D
[02:28] <eonia> Razor-X, no problem ;-)
[02:28] <Razor-X> on this Windows box here
[02:28] <Cristobal> eonia dont say that cause most people will say that linux people have a geeky mind
[02:28] <kroc> Razor-X: how much did your cost?
[02:28] <synd> 2.6GB in like 1hr
[02:29] <Razor-X> the most used stuff on this box is all pirated
[02:29] <humbraro> thats a pretty fat pipe
[02:29] <amonkey> Amaranth, problem, smeg 0.6.2 depends pyhton-xdg >= .11, hoary reps only have .9
[02:29] <kroc> lol
[02:29] <nalioth> synd: my head is spinning. What did you just say?
[02:29] <eonia> Cristobal, just another way of saying the same thing, right? :)
[02:29] <Razor-X> the OS, the IM client I used to use, the browser, the email client, the office suite
[02:29] <Razor-X> only thing is the Media Player
[02:29] <Razor-X> that's VLC
[02:29] <Amaranth> amonkey: There is a link to a python-xdg on the forum entry. It says it's for breezy because I figured hoary users would use the installsmeg script.
[02:29] <synd> nalioth: i went to work, booted up ubuntu, and DL'd mandriva dvd, and used the new DVD publisher we just got in :D 2.6GB in like 1hr
[02:29] <Jormundgand> And people pirate Windows stuff when they could switch to Linux and just download it legally. Tragic.
[02:29] <Razor-X> but, I did use BSPlayer Pro, and Zoom Player Pro, before I saw the VLC light
[02:30] <Amaranth> Razor-X: You're on Windows right now?
[02:30] <kroc> VLC.... whats that?
[02:30] <Razor-X> Jormundgand: more for my dad, than anybody else
[02:30] <flavio> alguem fala portugues?
[02:30] <Cristobal> Jormundgand, yes but i cant get stuff done in linux
[02:30] <Razor-X> Amaranth: at the moment
[02:30] <Amaranth> kroc: the best media player out there
[02:30] <Cristobal> besides from basic stuff
[02:30] <Razor-X> Cristobal: I can
[02:30] <Amaranth> Razor-X: Please don't mention pirated software again.
[02:30] <Razor-X> how hard is it to learn Open-Office
[02:30] <kroc> Amaranth: i thought the best one was XMMS
[02:30] <Cristobal> like, if i wanted to do something like microsoft project does i couldnt in linux
[02:30] <eonia> Cristobal, anyway, my point was, that for windows people (since I assume the live CD is marketed partially towards them as a demonstration) there should be an easier way of mounting. Regardless of how you treat their competence. That's all.
[02:30] <synd> Razor-X: its very similar to ms office
[02:30] <kroc> actually winamp is pretty good
[02:30] <Razor-X> Amaranth: I didn't mention it specifically, so, I didn't think it would matter
[02:30] <tritium> pirated software is OFF-TOPIC, okay?
[02:30] <Amaranth> kroc: the best music player is muine, the best video player is vlc
[02:30] <Razor-X> no, I meant that as a question to Cristobal
[02:31] <kroc> oo
[02:31] <Razor-X> tritium: fine fine
[02:31] <synd> Amaranth: muine?
[02:31] <Razor-X> Cristobal: Microsoft Project?
[02:31] <Cristobal> yes
[02:31] <kroc> http://muine.gooeylinux.org/
[02:31] <nickrud> Cristobal, there are things, look at mrproject
[02:31] <humbraro> Cristobal: office 2003 on linux? are you aware of crossover office?
[02:31] <Cristobal> yes  it wont run office 2003
[02:31] <Cristobal> well my point is
[02:31] <Razor-X> what's the difference between an Powerpoint Presentation, and an Impress Presentation?
[02:31] <Razor-X> other than very tiny minute differences?
[02:31] <Jormundgand> Razor-X: liberties.
[02:31] <Razor-X> *a
[02:32] <synd> i still think XMMS is the best :D
[02:32] <Cristobal> i installed linux and couldnt get most of my stuff done. first of all i couldnt install my wifi card and then it took me about 1 hour to do stuff that would probably do in 5 mins under windows... so
[02:32] <humbraro> Razor-X: lots - i have to use ppt for its video capabilities
[02:32] <Razor-X> Jormundgand: I meant, functionality wise
[02:32] <synd> unless they ever made iTunes for linux
[02:32] <Jormundgand> Razor-X: none.
[02:32] <Cristobal> linux tells windows people to make the switch but that switch costs a lot and not money
[02:32] <kroc> i actually prefer winamp
[02:32] <Zodiac> itunes is the worst
[02:32] <Razor-X> Cristobal: well, do you use the computer just to get your stuff done and leave?
[02:32] <kroc> Zodiac: indeed
[02:32] <synd> Cristobal: Linux takes a good amt of time to learn.
[02:32] <eonia> Razor-X, the powerpoint presentation has more built in selection, so it looks sleeker without adding your own images/backgrounds etc. Plus ppoint is slightly easier to use imho
[02:32] <Razor-X> because, then, I doubt Linux is for you
[02:32] <Cristobal> yes
[02:32] <Zodiac> cristobal has a point...
[02:32] <tritium> Cristobal, to each his own.  I can't get things done in a default windows install.
[02:32] <synd> Zodiac: itunes kicks ass
[02:32] <nickrud> muine, I live for album covers
[02:32] <_kevin> so does ice cast work like shoutcast, i play music on any player and it streams it?
[02:33] <Cristobal> cause my pc is not my life its just a functional thing, i use my pc for work and cant spend half of that time reading or learning how to get things done
[02:33] <Razor-X> the thing that people don't understand is this, the computer isn't just a tool, it's a medium all on it's own
[02:33] <Jormundgand> I can use either Windows or Linux, but I'm worried if I use Windows I'll get locked into one proprietary solution.
[02:33] <kroc> synd: you have to pay .99 $ per song
[02:33] <_kevin> i don't like setting a dir for the mp3s and then it access it
[02:33] <Razor-X> Cristobal: doesen't sound like you do much more than any of us, only you refuse to learn computer things
[02:33] <_kevin> i wanna do it live
[02:33] <synd> kroc: i have not payed a single cent for any of my songs on iTunes
[02:33] <borkdox> Ok, so how do I rip my Star Wars colelction into divx under amd64? there is not transcode whic is a dependency of dvd::rip....
[02:33] <kroc> well.. its still 99cent
[02:33] <Cristobal> i dont refuse to learn anything, but if i am being paid for something to get done in a period of timei cant spend half of that time learning how to do it
[02:33] <synd> kroc: i use a gnutella P2P to download and this is automatically loaded into itunes.
[02:33] <nickrud> Cristobal, all the effort with debian/ubuntu is up front; after that, you'll not have to deal with viruses, trojans, bad registry, etc
[02:34] <Cristobal> thats my point, windows is easier to use in all aspects
[02:34] <Razor-X> borkdox: unfortunately, encoding is the only thing i've met up wiht in Linux with very very bad support
[02:34] <eonia> Razor-X, I disagree. I don't have time to learn linux under normal circumstances.
[02:34] <synd> kroc: i have over 35K songs loaded into itunes
[02:34] <transgress> hey what's the file to edit to change the default window manager for startx?
[02:34] <tritium> Cristobal, not in scientific computing
[02:34] <Zodiac> The main things for linux to do if they want to improve market share is to get better driver support
[02:34] <Cristobal> nickrud, thats true, but i had a lot more to deal with trying to install my wifi card, witout success
[02:34] <Zodiac> that is critical
[02:34] <nalioth> Cristobal: the last i looked, linux had a variety of "point and click" interfaces
[02:34] <Razor-X> Cristobal: then learn it beforehand, so the rest of your work becomes faster
[02:34] <kroc> 35k?r you serius? when will you ever listen to all of them?!
[02:34] <sylvan> can linux mount NTFS disks in Read/Write mode?
[02:34] <synd> kroc: im a DJ
[02:34] <nickrud> Cristobal, blame the manufacturer, they won't release specs, most likely
[02:34] <Razor-X> sylvan: it sure can
[02:34] <kroc> o lol
[02:34] <synd> i use iTunes and the wireless streaming feature
[02:34] <humbraro> sylvan: yes
[02:34] <sylvan> okay...
[02:34] <synd> with an Airport Express router
[02:34] <_kevin> i want to know also
[02:35] <sylvan> Don't know where I got the "ro" from..
[02:35] <Cristobal> i downloaded the drivers for linux  directly from the manuf. they didintwork
[02:35] <_kevin> how it is possible
[02:35] <Zodiac> I so wish I could get my damn wireless card working
[02:35] <Razor-X> nickrud: ahhh, I love standards, now... which to pick....
[02:35] <Jormundgand> I don't think Linux should focus on increasing market share. I think it should focus on keeping the share it has. Increasing share increases attacks on Linux, which will lead to it being seen as insecure.
[02:35] <Cristobal> lol zodiac goodluck
[02:35] <Zodiac> ha ha
[02:35] <synd> Zodiac: does it work with windows?
[02:35] <Zodiac> Shhhh
[02:35] <Razor-X> sylvan: IIRC, Ubuntu should do that by default
[02:35] <humbraro> sylvan: it was read-only for a time, but the drivers have matured
[02:35] <Zodiac> Of course
[02:35] <eonia> Razor-X, lol. Too bad standards do not mean single solutions :)
[02:35] <synd> Zodiac: then it will work with ubuntu
[02:35] <synd> ; )
[02:35] <kroc> IIRC? X-CHAT!
[02:35] <Zodiac> ha!
[02:35] <Razor-X> eonia: exactly ;)
[02:35] <_kevin> how can i set my ntfs drive so i can wirte on it?
[02:35] <sylvan> ubuntu didn't mount anything by default, I had to modify my fstab to include my windows partitions
[02:35] <Zodiac> With linux, it is always easier said than done
[02:36] <synd> Zodiac: what card is it
[02:36] <Razor-X> but, mount behaves a certain way when you mount
[02:36] <nickrud> Razor-X, it's not the standard, it's the implementation :)
[02:36] <Razor-X> *moutn a partition
[02:36] <synd> Zodiac: and what are you using, the latest hoary?
[02:36] <Zodiac> It is a new linksys card
[02:36] <Cristobal> the only reason why i would personally completely switch to linux is due to viruses and spyware whichj are annoying as hell, besides that i wouldnt change the easyness of windows for nothing
[02:36] <Razor-X> errr, yeah, that's the word I was looking for
[02:36] <Zodiac> yea the latest hoary
[02:36] <ccc> _kevin: you can't
[02:36] <synd> linksys <model number here>
[02:36] <Zodiac> the problem seems to be with WEP
[02:36] <eonia> sylvan: that's exactly what I've been saying. It should be mounted by default imho.
[02:36] <_kevin> someone said i can
[02:36] <synd> linksys, d-link, belkin cards are cake
[02:36] <shido6> Im playing video out to my TV finally!
[02:36] <shido6> with my radeon
[02:36] <Zodiac> linksys wpc54g
[02:36] <Razor-X> Cristobal: in life, do you do everything with a "Teach me teh easiest route" kinda outlook?
[02:37] <kroc> _kevin: shouldnt always believe somone...
[02:37] <ccc> _kevin: ok, that's news to me =)
[02:37] <shido6> I created a screen completely independent of my monitor screen :0.1
[02:37] <tritium> Cristobal, are you just here to troll?
[02:37] <synd> Zodiac: is your router secured?
[02:37] <Razor-X> because, I can guarantee you, the more you know about something, the more effecient you are at it
[02:37] <shido6> but I get a green line at the bottom of my monitor
[02:37] <Zodiac> yes it is
[02:37] <eonia> _kevin, you can; but you have to use the windows dll file to do it as I recall
[02:37] <_kevin> when sylvan asked the question you guys said it's possible
[02:37] <Zodiac> WEP encryption
[02:37] <Razor-X> and most of the things I use, I know quite a bit about
[02:37] <Zodiac> It is weird...
[02:37] <synd> Zodiac: thats the problem
[02:37] <_kevin> eonia do you know how to set it up
[02:37] <synd> Zodiac: you have to turn of encryption
[02:37] <Zodiac> Hoary detected my card, but I cannot connect
[02:37] <Zodiac> What?
[02:37] <Zodiac> Why?
[02:37] <Cristobal> razor-x this is not a personal point
[02:37] <synd> Zodiac: I know
[02:37] <tritium> Zodiac, no, you can use WEP
[02:37] <eonia> _kevin, not off-hand... google is your friend? :)
[02:38] <Zodiac> I should hope so!
[02:38] <_kevin> ok
[02:38] <Razor-X> Cristobal: no, but, learning about something exactly means that you get a better hold of it
[02:38] <Zodiac> I am not turning it off
[02:38] <synd> tritium: eh?
[02:38] <Cristobal> because that question should be asked to every computer user, not just me, rab any window user and put them in front of a linux pc, they will probably go back to windows
[02:38] <tritium> synd, ?
[02:38] <synd> i could have sworn that was why mine didnt work
[02:38] <sylvan> I tried to mount my ntfs partition with rw and then when I tried to chmod it so that I could write to it I got "chmod: changing permissions of `winxp_scratch': Read-only file system
[02:38] <sylvan> "
[02:38] <synd> i had wep enabled
[02:38] <Razor-X> Cristobal: I know that
[02:38] <synd> and someone told me to turn it off
[02:38] <synd> and the card magically worked
[02:38] <Zodiac> Dude you have to have WEP or WAP or something
[02:38] <humbraro> _kevin: packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/otherosfs/ntfsprogs
[02:38] <Razor-X> because, as far as I can tell, most human beings with a routine can't learn another one
[02:38] <Jormundgand> WEP is inferior encryption.
[02:38] <j-rock_> why are people putting in the effort to try and convert people?
[02:38] <Zodiac> WEP sucks, but it is better than nothing
[02:38] <synd> Zodiac: you dont have to
[02:38] <goldfish> WEP is nothing.
[02:38] <Razor-X> the few who can acheive much much more than the ones who can't, IMO
[02:39] <j-rock_> its only going to result in us supporting their idiocy on a different platform
[02:39] <tritium> Cristobal, windows does not have adequate tools for every user, particular the engineering/scientific community.
[02:39] <goldfish> very easily cracked
[02:39] <Zodiac> Some linksys equipment only uses WEP
[02:39] <_kevin> i foudn this one google it's 65 K program for 69 dollars packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/otherosfs/ntfsprog
[02:39] <Jormundgand> tritium: But you can MAKE it adequate.
[02:39] <Zodiac> yea it is... but not by your average dude
[02:39] <Razor-X> Zodiac: after you get WEP working, tunnel the connection through SSH
[02:39] <_kevin> http://www.topshareware.com/Paragon-NTFS-for-Linux-download-9271.htm
[02:39] <Zodiac> OMG
[02:39] <Jormundgand> tritium: That's the beauty of Linux. You're part of a community.
[02:39] <Zodiac> Are you serious?
[02:39] <Razor-X> tritium: I was about to say that too
[02:39] <Cristobal> i agree, but if you ask me about them, ive never used them in my 8 computing years, neither has my family and neither have i heard anyone complaining about those things
[02:39] <Zodiac> Why do I have to tunnel?
[02:39] <amonkey> Amaranth, ran the script, smeg command not found. no links?
[02:39] <kroc> tritium: isnt windows made for people with the brain of a 10 year old?
[02:39] <Razor-X> I know, definitely, my dad wouldn't be able to do half of anything he does in Linux
[02:39] <Amaranth> amonkey: *boggle*
[02:40] <Razor-X> care to find me a program which can simulate fluid stress on micro-devices based on certain parameters?
[02:40] <tritium> Zodiac, you'd be better off just using MAC filtering, rather than WEP
[02:40] <Razor-X> for Linux
[02:40] <Zodiac> damn
[02:40] <amonkey> Amaranth, boggle as in you are suprised or boggle that i missed something
[02:40] <Zodiac> yea I guess so
[02:40] <iceman> well got 5.4 installed and xcat up ..
[02:40] <kroc> Razor-X: ?
[02:40] <iceman> xchat
[02:40] <Jormundgand> Razor-X: Learn the mathematics of fluid dynamics and write it yourself, or port the Windows version.
[02:40] <Zodiac> You guys front on windows... but bleeding edge hardware requires it as far as I am concerned
[02:40] <Razor-X> kroc: this is for my dad, and i'm not about to do that for him ;)
[02:41] <kroc> Razor-X: i see you cant google it either.
[02:41] <Razor-X> but, if I were to go to engineering, I probably would
[02:41] <synd> i just started in the Networking/Information services dept at this big manufacturing company and I was telling my supervisor about how im going to school learning about networking with linux and he was like, "networking with linux is a good way to not find a job"
[02:41] <Amaranth> amonkey: Did the script say everything worked?
[02:41] <iceman> now doing aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[02:41] <Zodiac> I have no problems with my windows box... you just have to treat it like you would a car
[02:41] <Razor-X> kroc: it's something un-available in Linux
[02:41] <lifeless> synd: hes lying
[02:41] <Razor-X> the problem with Windows is, it's an idiotic standard
[02:41] <synd> Zodiac: windows is inferior
[02:41] <Cristobal> im gonna install Ubuntu on my mothers pc, she only does web surf and email so we dont have to worry about trojans
[02:41] <synd> lifeless: i agree
[02:41] <kroc> Razor-X: run WINE
[02:41] <Zodiac> Windows is inferior... in some ways yes
[02:41] <Zodiac> but
[02:41] <Zodiac> they have drivers
[02:41] <Razor-X> like QWERTY
[02:41] <Zodiac> linux doesnt
[02:41] <synd> OS X kicks the balls off windows
[02:41] <Zodiac> that is the main thing
[02:41] <Razor-X> kroc: I doubt those programs would run in WINE
[02:42] <eonia> _kevin, you shouldn't need to pay for it. I don't know the details, but there's an open source project involving NTFS, and their attempts to reverse engineer it. You can safely write to NTFS if you tell linux to use the windows dll file to do the writing. Otherwise the writing is unstable/unreliable. Knoppix had a pseudo-write option similar as I recall.
[02:42] <synd> because windows is the standard!
[02:42] <parabolize> kernel, driver, whatever
[02:42] <sri_> so all you breezy boys, do you have problems with key bindings not working the way they should?
[02:42] <Jormundgand> Windows has Linux beaten on a few areas relating to ease of use - ESR's CUPS nightmare springs to mind - but we're working on that.
[02:42] <Cristobal> synd OS x is the best in my opinion!
[02:42] <Zodiac> true, but linux needs to press the issue
[02:42] <Razor-X> eonia: you mean Captive, or experimental kernel read-write
[02:42] <amonkey> Amaranth, yeah, it didn't work the first time, forgot to sudo, but nothign erred the second time. installed 4 packages, cleaned up adn went to bed
[02:42] <synd> companies arent going to waste money on developing drivers for 5% of computer users
[02:42] <Razor-X> the former requires kernel recompilation
[02:42] <sri_> my nautilus for instance, refreshes the screen instead of opening a dialog box when I do ^L
[02:42] <_kevin> ok thanks eonia
[02:42] <tritium> To use windows effectively, I still need open-source software anyway, such as gsl, octave, tetex, python, scipy, etc
[02:42] <eonia> Razor-X, captive I think
[02:42] <Amaranth> amonkey: run dpkg -S smeg
[02:42] <j-rock_> Jormundgand: cups was easy, i had it up and running in <5 minutes, and most of that was reading documentation
[02:42] <synd> Cristobal: i think so too!
[02:42] <_kevin> also is ext 3 or ext 2 better?
[02:42] <_kevin> ext 3 just has journalling?
[02:42] <tritium> yes
[02:43] <Razor-X> _kevin: depends on your needs
[02:43] <Jormundgand> j-rock_: Because all my printers are over SMB share, I had it nigh-on instantly once Samba was set up. ;)
[02:43] <j-rock_> Jormundgand: i was dissappointed because i had a couple hours set aside to work on it, and it turned out to be really easy
[02:43] <sri_> daniels think it's xkb, but I don't think so, I ran cvs nautilus, and the keybindings work
[02:43] <Razor-X> if the drive is smaller, then ext2 is better
[02:43] <Razor-X> also, if you have many many small files, I believe ReiserFS is best for that
[02:43] <Cristobal> i didnt mean to start a fight here, i was just giving my point of view. i believe linux has its use and windows has its use and they are pointed to different minded people
[02:43] <j-rock_> Jormundgand: :)
[02:43] <sylvan> ubuntu should have an installer which starts in windows, scans all the hardware, tries to find the best drivers for it (to enable 3d hardware etc.) and then reboots.. Use the information about the system that the windows user has already established
[02:43] <Zodiac> I think windows with open source software operates just fine
[02:43] <kroc> Zodiac: you mean linux?
[02:43] <Razor-X> Cristobal: that's true, definitely, if you're in engineering, all I can say is, learn to code and make your own program... or you're out of luck
[02:44] <_kevin> i just need it for the basic system i have three paritiontions right now one is ext2 for my ubuntu, one is ntfs and othe ris FAT... the two other partitions are just ther to hold my mp3 collection
[02:44] <j-rock_> Zodiac: cept for the fact that it NEEDS third party apps to work right
[02:44] <humbraro> sylvan: good idea, but what would it store that info on?
[02:44] <_kevin> my precious collection
[02:44] <sri_> you needed a persistent store for that..
[02:44] <synd> j-rock_: exactly
[02:44] <sri_> probably a usb key
[02:44] <sri_> er drive
[02:44] <iceman> i want to see someone take linux .. "base" and make a console out of a desktop ... console games on a desktop system .
[02:44] <nickrud> Razor-X, yes, the tool for the need
[02:44] <Razor-X> _kevin: the MP3 collection would do best on ReiserFS, IMO
[02:44] <_kevin> i wanna back up my 80 gig fat on my 100 gig ntfs and den format the fat to a linux format
[02:44] <iceman> be like xbox ...
[02:44] <sri_> or, maybe you could put it on ntfs if it's XP and read it on boot up
[02:44] <synd> you *have* to use something like adaware.. spybot s&d
[02:44] <kroc> linux... my precciousss
[02:44] <synd> with windows
[02:44] <synd> or you are royally fuct
[02:44] <kroc> symantec is good
[02:44] <synd> i refuse to use IE
[02:45] <synd> have to use firefox
[02:45] <j-rock_> i refuse to use windows
[02:45] <kroc> FIREFOX RULEZZ
[02:45] <Zodiac> no I meant windows
[02:45] <synd> if i have to use windows
[02:45] <Razor-X> ewww... not Firefox
[02:45] <Razor-X> *ugh*
[02:45] <eonia> _kevin, if you want to back it up, you could use ghost to image it
[02:45] <j-rock_> microsoft free for >3 years
[02:45] <kroc> FIREFOX RULEZ
[02:45] <Amaranth> Razor-X: What do you use?
[02:45] <Razor-X> what a useless useless browser....
[02:45] <amonkey> Amaranth, said it installed smeg, but it didn't. did take care of the dependencies though i installed it from the deb
[02:45] <sylvan> humbraro: some temp file on the windows partition
[02:45] <Razor-X> Opera/Konqueror
[02:45] <_4strO> mIRC v6.14 Khaled Mardam-Bey
[02:45] <Jormundgand> I have a friend who insists on using Mozilla. I pointed out the fact that Mozilla is legacy and no longer under development. He didn't care. He wanted to use Mozilla.
[02:45] <Razor-X> Firefox, IMO, has lost sight of it's goal
[02:45] <_kevin> ghost an image of 80 gigs on my ntfs drive?
[02:45] <synd> Razor-X: you love that KDE : )
[02:45] <kroc> opera is kind of weird...
[02:45] <Razor-X> I started using it way back in Phoenix days
[02:45] <Amaranth> Cristobal: Don't do that again.
[02:45] <Razor-X> synd: of course
[02:45] <Razor-X> in Phoenix, Firefox was nice
[02:45] <_kevin> it's like 70 gigs of mp3s...
[02:46] <Razor-X> as it was in Firebird
[02:46] <humbraro> sylvan: that would be good - i'll look into that as i remember 'drake or some distro doing something like that a couple of years ago
[02:46] <nalioth> synd: are you ill?
[02:46] <eonia> Razor-X, what goal is that?
[02:46] <Amaranth> synd: It's goal was to be an easy-to-use, secure browser.
[02:46] <Amaranth> err, Razor-X
[02:46] <_kevin> total my mp3 collection is like 120 gigs
[02:46] <nalioth> synd: use windoze? isnt that an oxymoron?
[02:46] <synd> nalioth: no
[02:46] <humbraro> sylvan: memory is foggy though
[02:46] <Zodiac> ubuntu is the most usable linux distro I have ever used
[02:46] <Zodiac> this is great
[02:46] <Cristobal> am i the only one running x chat on windows here:P
[02:46] <synd> nalioth: i *have* to use it at work
[02:46] <Razor-X> eonia: a nice, small browser, with a nice feature-set, and it's secure
[02:46] <eonia> Cristobal, probably ;-)
[02:46] <kroc> Cristobal: i run it on my windows too
[02:46] <Amaranth> Razor-X: Well, plus an IE replacement for Windows users. Linux users got crap until about 0.7
[02:46] <Zodiac> I thing all the talk about debian incompatablilty is a bunch of rot
[02:46] <synd> nalioth: im in charge of over 6000 computers.. thru SMS
[02:46] <eonia> Cristobal, if I was on windows, I'd be using mIRC
[02:46] <amonkey> Amaranth, how do i delete a menu in smeg? i hit delete didn't do nothing
[02:46] <nalioth> synd: i feel for you. please wash your hands b4 chatting with us....LOL
[02:46] <_kevin> not videos or games.. I'm all about music and once in a while i need to stream music and use irc and msn and use openoffice
[02:46] <Amaranth> Razor-X: How is it not small, nice, and secure?
[02:46] <_kevin> other then that
[02:46] <Cristobal> mirc is a goodprogram but got tired of the same interface
[02:47] <Cristobal> x-chat is kinda cool
[02:47] <Amaranth> amonkey: uncheck the Visible box
[02:47] <synd> nalioth: i feel for me too. my supervisor got pissed when i was using Firefox
[02:47] <Razor-X> I have to say, progress has _definitely_ slowed to an idiotic halt after 0.8
[02:47] <kroc> x-chat is THE BEST
[02:47] <sylvan> humbraro.. It would be sweet for the casual user if there is a pseudo-guarantee that he can install linux with at least the hardware support he has on windows (without needing to do manual editing of Xorg.conf and such which casual users don't want to do)..
[02:47] <nalioth> synd: so use links
[02:47] <Amaranth> amonkey: You weren't deleting them in 0.5, you were just hiding them. Now you have a way to unhide them too. :)
[02:47] <eonia> Razor-X, isn't that pretty much what it is now..?
[02:47] <Razor-X> kroc: I like X-Chat, but BitchX more ;)
[02:47] <ki4cgp> Cristobal, I use x-chat when I'm in windows
[02:47] <Cristobal> anyone use BitchX thats probably the ugliest irc client ive seen lol
[02:47] <Zodiac> Did you pay for it?
[02:47] <kroc> Razor-X: ...
[02:47] <synd> bitchx..lol
[02:47] <synd> thats old skool
[02:47] <amonkey> Amaranth, most excellent. much thanks.
[02:47] <synd> love it
[02:47] <humbraro> sylvan agreed, it'd take lots of guesswork out of the install
[02:47] <iceman> brb i hope
[02:47] <Razor-X> eonia: well, one thing's for certain, I don't like what Firefox has turned into
[02:47] <Amaranth> amonkey: I'm working on a way to actually delete the ones you create, but it's a bit of a pain.
[02:47] <Zodiac> I want a free IRC client for windows
[02:47] <Razor-X> the thing is, it's become a lot like IE
[02:48] <humbraro> sylvan: i wonder if you could do a cygwin with hardware detection
[02:48] <amonkey> now if anyone can just help me recover the emails i accidently formated over *couch 3 times cough* i'll be on my way.
[02:48] <Amaranth> Zodiac: http://silverex.info
[02:48] <synd> Razor-X: its not anywhere near as bogged down as IE
[02:48] <Razor-X> where once, there was a pool of browsers, for the alterna-man to look at, now there is just Firefox
[02:48] <ki4cgp> You can use some of the older builds of x-chat
[02:48] <humbraro> Zodiac: i believe irssi runs on windows
[02:48] <j-rock_> Zodiac: there are gpl builds of x-chat for windows
[02:48] <sylvan> humbraro hmm.. not sure I follow
[02:48] <j-rock_> Zodiac: i cant remember the name of it though
[02:48] <Zodiac> X-chat you say?
[02:48] <Zodiac> Hey
[02:48] <synd> ack!
[02:48] <amonkey> Amaranth, did you write smeg or how are you involved?
[02:48] <humbraro> sylvan: are you familiar with cygwin?
[02:48] <Razor-X> and the minority of the people that overlook the hype of Firefox is a very very small minority
[02:48] <synd> time to watch White Noise
[02:48] <Cristobal> why do u guys talk about free and paid for software, to me everythings free or havent u heard of emule or gnutella lol
[02:48] <Zodiac> what is the command to type to someone specifically?
[02:48] <synd> with the woman : )
[02:48] <eonia> Razor-X, I'd disagree. I like it a lot. It's fairly compact, and the additional features are available through extensions. My personal complaint is that they are TOO SLOW to fix and shine it up the way it should be. I mean, c'mon, can't they fix the over-30-tabs browsing issue already!?
[02:48] <Razor-X> Opera is _much_ _much_ smaller
[02:48] <Cristobal> mirc for windows is free
[02:49] <j-rock_> Zodiac: /msg
[02:49] <sylvan> nope... I remember I had to use it to compile some library on windows, but now I just switch to my linux partition to play with that stuff
[02:49] <j-rock_> mirc licks
[02:49] <Amaranth> amonkey: I wrote smeg and help with bug fixes and direction of the PyXDG module it uses to work with the menu.
[02:49] <Razor-X> synd: man was meant as a collective noun
[02:49] <tritium> Cristobal, because we don't discuss stealing things here
[02:49] <sylvan> (some sort of "unix for windows"?)
[02:49] <Zodiac> ha h
[02:49] <dooglus> Cristobal: when we talk about "free software" we are talking about freedom, not price.
[02:49] <j-rock_> sylvan: cygwin?
[02:49] <Razor-X> eonia: yeah, that's true
[02:49] <Cristobal> what i do is not stealing
[02:49] <kroc> OS X is sweet, but you have to pay for it.. :/
[02:49] <Zodiac> I would think both
[02:49] <Cristobal> i use whats there available to take
[02:49] <Cristobal> this is the internet
[02:49] <sylvan> j-rock_ yeah that was what we were talking about
[02:49] <humbraro> its a *nix (linux pretty much) that runs on the windows kernel, it has X and everything
[02:49] <Zodiac> Free means free, in both terms
[02:49] <Razor-X> plus, on a 256 MB RAM box, anything more than 5 tabs sucks up power
[02:49] <Razor-X> with Firefox
[02:49] <nalioth> Cristobal: what version of mirc are you using?
[02:49] <amonkey> Amaranth, wow, i'm impressed. very nice.
[02:49] <Amaranth> Cristobal: Don't mention it again, please.
[02:49] <kroc> and OS X works only on MACs
[02:49] <Cristobal> okies
[02:50] <iceman> ok who can halp me set up video resolution in ubuntu ?
[02:50] <humbraro> if you could set up knoppix-style hardware detection on that, it'd rick
[02:50] <Amaranth> This channel has gone nuts today.
[02:50] <Cristobal> i use x-chat but 6.61 is the latest i believe
[02:50] <j-rock_> http://www.g-axis.org/screenshots/030.png
[02:50] <tritium> Cristobal, that does not justify taking it
[02:50] <synd> kroc: and only should work on macs
[02:50] <Amaranth> Can we please talk about Ubuntu?
[02:50] <synd> Amaranth: i concur
[02:50] <Strife> w00t
[02:50] <eonia> tritium, just out of curiousity, what engineering/scientific programs do you use for linux?
[02:50] <Razor-X> whereas, Opera fits more features in for less RAM, and less than a UPX'd Firefox filsize
[02:50] <Strife> got 3d acceleration working with my laptop!
[02:50] <synd> Amaranth: im getting a headache
[02:50] <kroc> synd: i said that..
[02:50] <tritium> eonia, quite a few.  I mostly write my own.
[02:50] <Cristobal> strife how did u do that is that a hardware
[02:50] <Zodiac> That is a pretty phat desktop
[02:50] <Razor-X> tirtium: you should release some, really
[02:50] <nalioth> Amaranth: did every1 recx a kernel update yesterday or just the PPC users?
[02:50] <synd> kroc: yes, and i meant that OS X should not be run on anything else
[02:50] <j-rock_> Zodiac: http://www.silverex.org/news/
[02:50] <kroc> and could..
[02:50] <eonia> tritium: that doesn't help me a lot :( lol
[02:51] <Amaranth> Razor-X: A bug in 1.0 makes it so RAM used for a tab isn't freed when the tab is closed. Will be fixed in 1.1.
[02:51] <iceman> i need help getting better resolution in ubuntu 5.4 with a nvidia card ... ? please
[02:51] <Razor-X> synd, Amaranth: craziness in chatrooms is something i've gotten used to, I guess
[02:51] <tritium> eonia, what help do you need?
[02:51] <Strife> Cristobal: how did I get 3d acceleration working?
[02:51] <Razor-X> Amaranth: it's taking _this_ long?
[02:51] <Amaranth> Razor-X: Can you believe they're adding _more_ features and still making it faster? The only other people that do that on a large scale are Apple.
[02:51] <humbraro> iceman: try the easy fix first - ctrl-alt-+
[02:51] <Razor-X> and, i've been observing it's slowness compared to Opera since 0.7
[02:51] <Amaranth> Razor-X: It's a big deal. 1.0 is using a branch of gecko that was 6 months old when it released.
[02:51] <Razor-X> Amaranth: Opera isn't doing that?
[02:51] <Cristobal> yes
[02:51] <iceman> nope ... did nothing
[02:51] <Amaranth> Razor-X: A large part of the work is just making it work on the new gecko.
[02:52] <humbraro> hmm
[02:52] <eonia> tritium: I was wondering what apps were available in general, as well as graphing-wise (short of using mathmatica/mathcad)
[02:52] <Amaranth> Razor-X: Opera isn't free or Free.
[02:52] <tritium> Amaranth is right.  The SNR in here is way too low...
[02:52] <Strife> Cristobal: well, I have an ATI card... and the probelm I was having was that the driver seemed to be working, but the screen was blank
[02:52] <Zodiac> I have a perfect example to show the insanity of open source...
[02:52] <Cristobal> ah
[02:52] <Strife> Cristobal: so I found a suggestion to change an option in xorg.conf, and, voila, it works now
[02:52] <Amaranth> tritium: We can fix that. >:-)
[02:52] <Razor-X> Amaranth: but, in my opinion, if the functionality of one thing far outweighs its free counterpart, i'll use it
[02:52] <Zodiac> Why doesnt evolution import csv files????
[02:52] <tritium> Amaranth, ;)
[02:52] <Razor-X> hell, i'll _pay_ for Opera
[02:52] <Cristobal> woohoo
[02:52] <eonia> lol @ Amaranth
[02:52] <Cristobal> well i need to get off
[02:52] <kroc> Razor-X: are you crazy?
[02:52] <Cristobal> good luck to you all
[02:52] <Razor-X> worth every penny, and then some
[02:52] <Cristobal> and bye fornow
[02:52] <_kevin> ok i just downloaded and installed syneptic, how do i access it
[02:53] <_kevin> i mean
[02:53] <_kevin> icecast
[02:53] <tritium> eonia, I usually use gnuplot.  Octave (a Matlab clone) uses gnuplot as well.
[02:53] <_kevin> from synaptec
[02:53] <Amaranth> Razor-X: You wouldn't happen to be a PearPC user, would you?
[02:53] <Razor-X> Amaranth: quite a bit back, in fact
[02:53] <Razor-X> and yes, I am
[02:53] <Amaranth> Razor-X: I wrote that win32 networking guide. :)
[02:53] <Strife> I still can't get the screen to turn back on after suspend, though...
[02:53] <Razor-X> that's where I know you from
[02:53] <Razor-X> Amaranth: I know that ;)
[02:53] <tritium> eonia, what kind of plots do you need to generate?
[02:53] <ASUSanator> Anyone know how to make a boot network floppy for ubuntu ?
[02:54] <Zodiac> I have an apple sticker on my IBM laptop...
[02:54] <Razor-X> Amaranth: I really respect the additions you've made to Pear PC
[02:54] <tritium> Amaranth, +q ?
[02:54] <Amaranth> tritium: People have had warnings, if it gets out of hand again some might get it. Don't want to do it without at least one warning though.
[02:54] <Razor-X> I guess i'm a have to peruse through some stuff now
[02:54] <eonia> tritium: I was thinking along the lines of finding the maximum (accurately) of a third+ order equation. In excel you're forced to "make a set of data" and it's really not that accurate.
[02:55] <Zodiac> oh crap
[02:55] <kroc> firefox is way better than opera.
[02:55] <tritium> Amaranth, of course, but that's what you're referring to?
[02:55] <Zodiac> What is the package that gets MS fonts?
[02:55] <Amaranth> kroc: Drop it, please.
[02:55] <Razor-X> the step where you add zeroing terms in the Derivative rule of Products is staring at me
[02:55] <_kevin> anyone kno how i can access ice cast i downloaded using synaptec? i don't see any icons for it
[02:55] <Amaranth> tritium: Yeah, better than a kick.
[02:55] <Amaranth> Zodiac: msttcorefonts, iirc
[02:55] <crimsun> _kevin: use the initscript
[02:55] <Zodiac> aww yes
[02:55] <humbraro> _kevin: icecast is a server, check out their homepage
[02:55] <kroc> its late
[02:55] <kroc> ntie
[02:55] <tritium> eonia, eww, use octave, or gsl (gnu scientific library), or scipy
[02:55] <kroc> nite*
[02:55] <Razor-X> I only have one real complaint for Konqueror
[02:55] <amonkey> what should i google for to find out how to use twinview + a second video card for 3 monitors?
[02:56] <Razor-X> it has the _worst_ Printing support _imaginable_
[02:56] <iceman> ok anyone have link to the nvidia istall page ?
[02:56] <Zodiac> ugh but I wont be able to get them into Firefox will I??
[02:56] <humbraro> _kevin: it won't have a pretty gui interface (at least i don't think) :)
[02:56] <Amaranth> Razor-X: The UI isn't all that great either. :)
[02:56] <crimsun> amonkey: sh.nu/nvidia, read the example XF86Config
[02:56] <tritium> eonia, they all have nice optimization tools
[02:56] <Razor-X> I like the UI, meself, heh
[02:56] <Amaranth> Zodiac: Yes you will.
[02:56] <spiderworm> i have a complaint about arts
[02:56] <Razor-X> but, I know the faults in what I use
[02:56] <spiderworm> it suxx0rs
[02:56] <iceman> Anyone have the web link to installing the nvidia driver ?
[02:56] <Amaranth> spiderworm: Yeah, last time I used it it ate 99% CPU even when it wasn't doing anything.
[02:57] <Razor-X> like, IIRC, Firefox renders a few pages better than Opera does
[02:57] <Razor-X> and Konqueror
[02:57] <_kevin> ye
[02:57] <spiderworm> Amaranth: it does that from time to time for me
[02:57] <Amaranth> iceman: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto i think
[02:57] <eonia> tritium: thanks. Do you happen to have any resource (eng/scientific) lists for linux as well? Maybe a URL I could drool over?
[02:57] <tritium> iceman, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:57] <sylvan> hmm.. when searching for "linux kernel" in synaptic I see that the currently installed kernel is the 386 one, shouldn't I (with a P4) switch to 686? Or even the 686 SMP ('cause I have HyperThreading)?
[02:57] <Amaranth> Razor-X: Firefox is more likely to load a page than Opera or Konq
[02:57] <tritium> eonia, I don't have a handy URL for you, sorry.
[02:57] <iceman> ty
[02:57] <crimsun> sylvan: ht is disabled in the errata kernel due to security concerns
[02:58] <crimsun> sylvan: but yes, linux-686-smp is fine
[02:58] <sylvan> okay.. thanks
[02:58] <tritium> eonia, http://www.nanohub.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=236&Itemid=244 has some nice info on scientific computing with python
[02:58] <Amaranth> Razor-X: Mostly because Opera thought it would be smart to pretend to be IE and try to emulate the IE engine bug-for-bug.
[02:58] <IIIEars> Hello!   Hi crimsun
[02:58] <crimsun> 'lo IIIEars
[02:59] <abisen_> i have a problem when i resume from suspend to RAM my Hard Disk starts this frequent spindowns and spin ups
[02:59] <sylvan> crimsun: if I mark it and click apply will it then be a simple matter of rebooting, or do I need to "select" the new kernel somehow?
[02:59] <nalioth> IIIEars: evenin'
[02:59] <eonia> tritium: thanks
[02:59] <tritium> eonia, optimization stuff on pp. 112-115 of Talk 1
[02:59] <Amaranth> crimsun: It really sucks telling people hyperthreading is disabled in the kernel. People that only know the marketing will be furious.
[02:59] <crimsun> sylvan: after it finishes installing, just reboot
[02:59] <IIIEars> Amaranth - Opera spoofs IE that closely?
[02:59] <sylvan> thanks
[02:59] <Amaranth> IIIEars: It tries and fails.
[02:59] <tritium> hi crimsun, IIIEars
[02:59] <crimsun> 'lo tritium
[02:59] <Zodiac> ha ha
[02:59] <Zodiac> that did it
[03:00] <Zodiac> Excellent
[03:00] <Zodiac> god the base firefox font is awful
[03:00] <Amaranth> IIIEars: It might be better in 8.0, I haven't used it since doing web design and testing with 7.0.
[03:00] <Amaranth> Zodiac: Bitstream fonts are better than the microsoft ones, imho.
[03:00] <IIIEars> Guys I have what to others would be a huge problem...    My new Redmond OS machine sits unused.
[03:00] <Amaranth> IIIEars: Install Ubuntu on it. ;)
[03:01] <IIIEars> Sounds Good! :)
[03:01] <nalioth> IIIEars: so put ubuntu on it
[03:02] <iceman> sorry nic was trying to read nvidia install instructions ..
[03:03] <Janux> hi all, I installed Ubuntu with server settings, now I want to install XFce, I installed Xorg and Xfce, and then I tried startx, it gave me xorg.conf error, did I miss any particular package?
[03:03] <Zodiac> yes
[03:03] <Zodiac> ha ha
[03:03] <Zodiac> No I have no idea actually
[03:03] <sylvan> crimsun: is there a way to verify that I'm actually running the new kernel after I reboot?
[03:03] <xf`> I've recompiled my kernel a few times and for some strange reason it's not booting.  I've compiled kernels for years and years.  I'm not sure whats going on.  It locks up after it says "OK. Loading kernel.." or something to that sort.
[03:03] <crimsun> Janux: you need xfce4 and x-window-system-core
[03:03] <iceman> no that link was not the one i needed ...
[03:03] <IIIEars> uname something isn't it?
[03:03] <tritium> sylvan, uname -r
[03:03] <^thehatsrule^> Janux, used sudo apt-get install xfce4? try startxfce4
[03:04] <sylvan> thanks
[03:04] <crimsun> sylvan: uname -a
[03:04] <xf`> My IDE drivers are fine, the supported file systems are fine...
[03:04] <Janux> ^thehatsrule^, starxfce4 is a command? that xfce command or startx command?
[03:04] <crimsun> err, sorry tritium got it :)
[03:04] <tritium> iceman, the one I gave you?
[03:04] <Janux> crimsun, yes I did.
[03:05] <crimsun> Janux: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:05] <sylvan> what's the package "linux-image-686-smp" do?
[03:05] <tritium> iceman, my fault.  Please see: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:05] <crimsun> sylvan: it's a metapackage for the latest kernel in main
[03:05] <Janux> crimsun, I tried and I don't know how much video ram it has cuz it's Intel onboard video.
[03:05] <sylvan> so what's the difference between using that and just linux-686-smp?
[03:06] <eonia> wow, things have finally slowed down :)
[03:06] <crimsun> sylvan: no difference; they both pull in the newest linux-image-2.6.10-5-686-smp
[03:06] <sylvan> okay.. Guess I'll reboot then...
[03:06] <tritium> eonia, SNR++ :)
[03:06] <sylvan> bye for now
[03:06] <eonia> tritium: rofl
[03:07] <eonia> I've got it.. I can cross my fingers, and say "Bill Gates owns linux!" That should restore the SNR to "normal" :)
[03:07] <xf`> Anyone have any suggestions for me? :)
[03:08] <_kevin> i'm totally lost for icecast, i need a setup set thing from start (install) to how to set it up for live stream from any sound source. like my sound card music playin on XMMS
[03:08] <humbraro> anybody here a good way to connect a remote gnome-session with ssl?  everything i see points to ltsp
[03:08] <crimsun> _kevin: it's very simple, really. Install icecast2 and ices2.
[03:08] <crimsun> _kevin: the reads the docs for both.
[03:08] <IIIEars> How do i prep my home directory for transfer? Can preserve permissions and symlinks?
[03:08] <crimsun> then^
[03:09] <humbraro> _kevin: www.icecast.org/docs.php
[03:09] <xf`> I've recompiled my kernel a few times and for some strange reason it's not booting.  I've compiled kernels for years and years.  I'm not sure whats going on.  It locks up after it says "OK. Loading kernel.." or something to that sort.
[03:09] <xf`> I'm lost :(
[03:09] <humbraro> xf does it lock up, or does the screen go blank?
[03:09] <eonia> Question: is there a way to centralize AIM history for both linux (gaim) and win (trillian etc)?
[03:09] <_kevin> i found on google http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/sound/icecast-server
[03:09] <xf`> IT locks up
[03:10] <humbraro> at what point during the bootup?
[03:10] <xf`> jst says "Ok. Loading kernel something something"
[03:10] <ryu> hi!
[03:10] <IIIEars> IIIEars_googles_tar
[03:10] <xf`> I don't get a kernel panic or anythimg
[03:10] <xf`> just says loading the kernel
[03:10] <xf`> then it stops
[03:10] <Kalidarn> hi anyone know how to create a boot floppy for a network installl in linux?
[03:10] <IIIEars> /nick IIIEars_away
[03:10] <crimsun> _kevin: that's the old version of icecast. You don't want that. You want icecast2.
[03:10] <Kalidarn> i havn't got a cddrom
[03:11] <amonkey> Amaranth, transgaming reiterated itself (it came back up on the menu) but nothing changed (still moved and hidden) in smeg.
[03:11] <Amaranth> *boggle*
[03:11] <Kalidarn> used to using RawWrite for windows..
[03:11] <humbraro> have you tried passing vga=normal?
[03:11] <xf`> i copied /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage to /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10 ... then vi /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:11] <Amaranth> amonkey: It's a legacy menu, not much can be done with it.
[03:11] <Kalidarn> thats how i did it for mandrake atleast.
[03:11] <amonkey> Amaranth, poo. ok.
[03:11] <xf`> humbararo I haven't
[03:11] <Amaranth> amonkey: I try as hard as possible to make it unnoticable, but there are some bugs that I can't fix.
[03:12] <xf`> where can i pass that at?
[03:12] <crimsun> xf`: and the modules and initrd? How about depmod being executed?
[03:12] <humbraro> xf it boots the stock kernel though?
[03:12] <sylvan> success!
[03:12] <xf`> crimson, ahh did the modules...what's hte initrd?
[03:12] <Kalidarn> i am assuming its not possible
[03:12] <Kalidarn> to create a network boot floppy for ubuntu...
[03:12] <Kalidarn> i havn't seen it mentioned in any of the documentation.
[03:12] <crimsun> xf`: did you compile everything into your kernel ("Y") required to find your / ?
[03:13] <xf`> yeah
[03:13] <xf`> IDE stuff and ext3 fs support
[03:13] <crimsun> then you can skip the initrd
[03:14] <xf`> trying vga=normal
[03:14] <xf`> brb
[03:14] <eonia> Question: how do I force the filebrowser in ubuntu to run as root on the livecd?
[03:15] <^thehatsrule^> sudo?
[03:15] <nickrud> eonia, what are trying to do, that's probably not the right way
[03:15] <iceman> nick sorry was reading
[03:15] <Kalidarn> so no one knows how to create a network boot floppy with ubuntu? seems rather simple isn't it?
[03:16] <iceman> typed the xdpyinfo and go a list
[03:16] <xf`> Okay no luck still..
[03:16] <humbraro> hmm
[03:16] <xf`> how do I build an initrd?
[03:16] <eonia> nickrud, I'm trying to browse hda1 that I just mounted in the root terminal
[03:16] <^thehatsrule^> Kalidarn, i think you can download one
[03:16] <^thehatsrule^> xf`, vga=791 ?
[03:17] <paolob> Hi guys! I installed apache2 and  libapache2-mod-php4, apache2 is running, but I apache can't interpret correctly the php files, when I try to open a php file in localhost with the browser (epiphany), a dialog appears telling me that I'm opening a php script, and asking me what do I want to do with it. open with an application or save to disk. What could be the reason? On the contrary, from another computer all is OK.
[03:17] <Kalidarn> yeah where from?
[03:17] <Kalidarn> the file that goes into RawWrite?
[03:17] <_kevin> i try to access /etc/icecast2 through the file browser and there is a red X on the folder and when i click on it says i don't have permission
[03:17] <Kalidarn> im assuming thats the way ubuntu does it.
[03:17] <nickrud> eonia, from a regular terminal, sudo nautilus <dir>
[03:17] <xf`> the old kernel is using vga=normal and is fine
[03:17] <_kevin> i right click on it and it disappears
[03:18] <^thehatsrule^> im pretty sure the img would have instructions heh
[03:18] <^thehatsrule^> prolly dd
[03:18] <humbraro> xf`: see if there's a /proc/config.gz - that'll have the current config to help track down your problem
[03:18] <iceman> anyone know the link to nvidia drivers install .. has like 5 lines you can cut and paste
[03:18] <eonia> nickrud: thanks.
[03:18] <nickrud> eonia, at least that worked for me some time ago, when I was experimenting
[03:18] <xf`> thanks humb
[03:18] <^thehatsrule^> paolob: maybe you have to manually modify the apache conf file to load the php4 module
[03:18] <eonia> nickrud: it works
[03:19] <humbraro> np
[03:19] <nickrud> still
[03:19] <xf`> humbararo: thre is no /proc/config.gz
[03:19] <xf`> found one though in /boot
[03:19] <paolob> ^thehatsrule^, apparently it is loaded... how can I see whether is it loaded or no?
[03:19] <cliebow_> paolob: sounds like an epiphany prob huh..
[03:19] <humbraro> xf`: may i ask why you're compiling a kernel?
[03:20] <dooglus> do I need to run "apt-get update" regularly, or will the ubuntu notice when updates are available even if I don't do that?
[03:20] <^thehatsrule^> paolob: im not sure, but check your httpd.conf
[03:20] <paolob> cliebow_, I correct, I use firefox
[03:20] <Kalidarn> as it is also my floppy drive is USB
[03:20] <Kalidarn> can i use the files at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-rescue-boot#s-boot-from-floppies
[03:20] <Kalidarn> ie.... For booting from an USB floppy drive, you need a third-party version of boot-floppies, available on http://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~blochedu/usb-install/.
[03:21] <Kalidarn> will ubuntu work if i do this?
[03:21] <cliebow_> hmm..i use php-4.3.11 sql and moodle without a prob in firefox..
[03:21] <paolob> ^thehatsrule^, I have it in httpd.conf. Something told me that I must add it to a localhost section of a config file... Because from another pc all is ok. Where should I put the command to load it for localhost connection?
[03:23] <^thehatsrule^> oh! it only downloads it as a .php on your machine?!
[03:23] <lifeless> paolob: is your last name bonzini ?
[03:23] <paolob> lifeless, no
[03:23] <lifeless> k
[03:24] <_kevin> icecast2 -c /home/jah/icecast.xml
[03:24] <_kevin> I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/home/jah/icecast.xml"
[03:24] <_kevin> FATAL: error parsing config file (/home/jah/icecast.xml)
[03:24] <crimsun> _kevin: you have syntax error(s)
[03:24] <^thehatsrule^> paolob, try using your external ip perhaps instead of using localhost?
[03:24] <brap> I have to install Hoary in server mode because it hangs on installing the version of Xorg that's on the cd.  What do I need to run from the command line to install all of gnome if that makes sense?
[03:25] <cliebow_> might be worth trying the simplest php file..like phpinfo.php
[03:25] <lifeless> ubuntu-desktop
[03:25] <_kevin> ohh
[03:25] <lifeless> brap: 6^
[03:25] <brap> lifeless: thanks
[03:25] <_kevin> is there anyone here that knows how to set up icecast and would like to help me
[03:25] <_kevin> i'm reading the website instruction but am not getting any where
[03:26] <spinifex> omg gsumi is so glitchy and broken
[03:26] <spinifex> it doesn't work at all
[03:26] <paolob> ^thehatsrule^, with the external ip it works! (isn't it strange?)
[03:26] <iceman> back in a few
[03:26] <spinifex> where's that bug reporting tool...
[03:27] <paolob> ^thehatsrule^, with 127.0.0.1 it works too! what's the hell with localhost?!?
[03:27] <_kevin> i don't know how to or where to access the icecast.xml
[03:28] <^thehatsrule^> paolob, perhaps its in /etc/resolv.conf, point localhost to 127.0.0.1
[03:28] <^thehatsrule^> paolob, if you use localhost, maybe it just access it normally from hdd or something
[03:28] <benplaut> Burgundavia, joh: any updates?
[03:28] <crimsun> _kevin: did you copy it over?
[03:28] <IIIEars_> grub_install --root_directory=/dev/hdb,1/root/grub INSTALL_DEVICE=/dev/hda,1    (is that right?)
[03:29] <_kevin> i just did apt-get install icecast2 ices2
[03:29] <spinifex> hey, why is it that they just released an update for mozilla-firefox, but it still marks it as version 1.0.2?
[03:29] <IIIEars_> guessing from the long pause it isn't even close
[03:29] <benplaut> spinifex: a bug that everyone has... but an easy fix
[03:29] <spinifex> I know, but it's stupid
[03:30] <paolob> ^thehatsrule^, I have localhost pointing to 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts, but not in /etc/resolv.conf. Should I put it in resolv.conf too?
[03:30] <spinifex> that they haven't fixed it yet, but already released another patch
[03:30] <ChinaCatJones> any one up for a why did my sound quit working after reboot question
[03:30] <Burgundavia> benplaut, just sorting through my email right now
[03:30] <Kalidarn> i am assuming no one here knows if its possible for network install booting floppies.
[03:30] <crimsun> ChinaCatJones: it's better to just describe it
[03:30] <caffinated> ChinaCatJones: check dmesg for errors
[03:30] <paolob> ^thehatsrule^, I added it to resolv.conf, nothing changes
[03:30] <benplaut> good
[03:30] <Kalidarn> anyone tried it?
[03:31] <Kalidarn> anyone even able to see my text? its like i am ignored here.
[03:31] <hyphenated> paolob: no, you should make sure nsswitch.conf has the correct setting
[03:31] <benplaut> can't wait to have gnome-panel back... i think the libc6 is breaking a bunch of stuff
[03:31] <hyphenated> paolob: can't you resolve "localhost" ?
[03:31] <iceman> who can help me tweek the resolution setting on a new install
[03:31] <we2by> how do I play a dvd movie on Ubuntu?
[03:32] <iceman> i'm stuck at 640x480 resolution ?
[03:32] <lowlux> what up
[03:32] <benplaut> we2by: go to www.ubuntuguide.org ... they have instructions
[03:32] <paolob> hyphenated, ping localhost is ok! What should I put in nsswitch.conf?
[03:33] <_kevin> FATAL: error parsing config file (/etc/icecast2/icecast.xml)
[03:33] <_kevin> XML config parsing error
[03:33] <_kevin> what does that mean
[03:33] <^thehatsrule^> paolob, ah sorry, i meant hosts ^^ resolv's for dns stuff
[03:33] <caffinated> _kevin: it means there is something in that XML file that stops it from being understood
[03:33] <_kevin> man this is so frustrating,
[03:33] <hyphenated> paolob: no, you shouldn't need to change anything in those files
[03:33] <spinifex> yo, I've found an incredibly predictable way to crash gsumi.  How do I do a backtrace and such?
[03:33] <lowlux> i have the live cd and it boots fine.... into it gets to creating user... im not doing this... the boot is doing this......
[03:33] <lowlux> it gets to 63% of creating user... and it never went on...? i let it sit for 10 or 15 minits and it just stood there? what is wrong?
[03:34] <hyphenated> paolob: the problem is not caused by settings in there
[03:34] <paolob> hyphenated, ah, ok
[03:34] <sams> anybody know why firefox doesnt have java support already enabled?
[03:34] <sams> in ubuntu?
[03:34] <lowlux> it gets to 63% of creating user... and it never went on...? i let it sit for 10 or 15 minits and it just stood there? what is wrong?
[03:34] <_kevin> any one here every setup icecast2 with ices2 and got it working under ubuntu
[03:34] <lowlux> i have the live cd and it boots fine.... into it gets to creating user... im not doing this... the boot is doing this......
[03:34] <crimsun> _kevin: yes
[03:34] <lowlux> it gets to 63% of creating user... and it never went on...? i let it sit for 10 or 15 minits and it just stood there? what is wrong?
[03:34] <iceman> what do i change to get more than 640 x 480 resolution ?
[03:34] <spinifex> sams: because.  Go download it
[03:34] <sams> ive tried it wont install
[03:34] <mp8223> does anybody know how to mount a vfat partition in read write mode?
[03:34] <_kevin> can you like pm me all the steps
[03:35] <benplaut> sams: by the ubuntuguide instructions?
[03:35] <_kevin> from install to accessing
[03:35] <spinifex> sams: read the restricted formats faq: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:35] <sams> most modern distros already have java enabled in their browser, why does ubuntu not do this
[03:35] <lowlux> i have the live cd and it boots fine.... into it gets to creating user... im not doing this... the boot is doing this......
[03:35] <lowlux> it gets to 63% of creating user... and it never went on...? i let it sit for 10 or 15 minits and it just stood there? what is wrong?
[03:35] <_kevin> if you don't mind
[03:35] <benplaut> sams: GPL... it kinda sucks for stuff like this
[03:35] <iceman> I need help setting better video resolution ? Please ?
[03:35] <crimsun> _kevin: there are instructions in /usr/share/doc/icecast2/ and /usr/share/doc/ices2/examples/
[03:36] <sams> too bad, i prefer a distro thats ready to go straight outta the box
[03:36] <spinifex> uh...  does any distro support java 'out of the box'?
[03:36] <lowlux> i have the live cd and it boots fine.... into it gets to creating user... im not doing this... the boot is doing this......
[03:36] <lowlux> it gets to 63% of creating user... and it never went on...? i let it sit for 10 or 15 minits and it just stood there? what is wrong?
[03:36] <lowlux> HELPPPP!
[03:37] <Madpilot> lowlux: posting EXACTLY the same q. three or four times isn't going to get you help any faster, y'know.
[03:37] <spinifex> anyway, allow me to repeat myself.  Gsumi is crashing like crazy on me.  Would someone instruct me on how to properly report a bug, or make a backtrace?
[03:38] <lowlux> i don't think any one here knows what there doing.......
[03:39] <spinifex> seems the sad truth at the moment, lowlux
[03:39] <crimsun> some of us are just busy, lowlux. Have a bit of patience.
[03:39] <spinifex> I haven't used a livecd
[03:39] <caffinated> lowlux: i don't think you know how to spell.  but then, we all have our little problems, right? :)
[03:39] <lowlux> no im just fast
[03:39] <geneo93> you sure its not your cd imaage
[03:39] <spinifex> lowlux: look for scratches, and make sure it's clean
[03:40] <crimsun> lowlux: look at the logs on tty/1 and tty/2
[03:40] <lowlux> evrything runs just fine...... to i get to creating user
[03:40] <lowlux> i have it on 2 cds
[03:40] <geneo93> check the md5sum
[03:40] <spinifex> lowlux: to look at the logs crimsum refers to, hold control-alt and hit F2 or F3
[03:41] <spinifex> I mean F1 or F2
[03:41] <tritium> F1-F6 should all work
[03:41] <lowlux> all right be right back....... dunno how im gonna copy the log
[03:41] <spinifex> yeah but he said tty 1 and 2 =p (tritium)
[03:42] <lowlux> i don't get it....
[03:42] <crimsun> (that'd be F2 and F3. You were right first.)
[03:42] <spinifex> lowlux: look for errory lines.  If gpm (the mouse thingy for terminal) is working, you can hilight and then middleclick to paste.  Uh, you could take a digital camera picture
[03:42] <spinifex> don't paste here though, use a pastebin
[03:44] <i3dmaste1> after upgrade kernel to 2.6.10-5-686 (2.6.10-34.1), I am not able to bootup anymore. it has kernel panic saying cannot syncing: VFS:Unable to mount root fs unknow_block(0,0). wondering what happen?
[03:44] <novaflare> how would one start a new session in ubuntu?
[03:44] <spinifex> what type of session?
[03:44] <spinifex> X session?  like two at a time?
[03:45] <novaflare> as in x yeh
[03:45] <spinifex> two at a time, or just a different type of session?
[03:45] <novaflare> where i could swap out of a full screen app to a new session and back
[03:45] <novaflare> like i play rubies and theres no alt tab in it
[03:45] <novaflare> but i want to be able to pop in to irc
[03:45] <caffinated> novaflare: xinit -- someProgram :1 iirc.  but you have to do something with the permissions files for X too.
[03:45] <novaflare> so irc in one session rubies in another
[03:45] <spinifex> hey, that would be cool.  I don't know how to do that though
[03:46] <caffinated> you can do it
[03:46] <tritium> Applications->System Tools->New Login isn't what you want, novaflare ?
[03:46] <IIIEars_> Hm.. new "Patriot Act II" - Worth a read if you live in the U.S.
[03:46] <crimsun> i3dmaste1: does your machine use lilo or grub?
[03:46] <novaflare> will that let me have another session ?
[03:46] <i3dmaste1> grub
[03:47] <novaflare> where i can swap between the 2 useing a hot key combo?
[03:47] <caffinated> yeah, need to add a new display in Xauth before you can use xinit to start a second display
[03:47] <crimsun> i3dmaste1: does ,,sudo update-grub'' complete successfully?
[03:47] <novaflare> k
[03:47] <novaflare> ill read up on it now that i know whats possible
[03:47] <tritium> novaflare, yes, it works without any modifications
[03:47] <i3dmaste1> crimsun: I did not do that
[03:47] <novaflare> and some basics on what to read up on
[03:47] <i3dmaste1> crimsun: let me do it now
[03:47] <crimsun> i3dmaste1: normally you don't have to
[03:48] <novaflare> so new log in new session open apps
[03:48] <iceman> i'm lost ... nvidia driver is installed ...
[03:48] <novaflare> then how to switch between the 2 trintim?
[03:48] <iceman> now how to enable better screen resolutions
[03:48] <i3dmaste1> crimsun: yes, it says done
[03:48] <tritium> novaflare, Ctrl-Alt-F8 will get you to the 2nd one
[03:48] <spinifex> oh my, that is TOTALLY SWEET
[03:48] <novaflare> and to get to first?
[03:48] <novaflare> same thing?
[03:48] <tritium> Ctrl-Alt-F7, novaflare
[03:49] <caffinated> meh, xinit is better.  you don't get the overhead of another gnome session
[03:49] <spinifex> caffinated: When I do that, it says 'fatal server error: server is already active for display 0'
[03:49] <tritium> novaflare, if you install xnest, you can even run the new session in a window
[03:50] <iceman> dang ... how to enable 1024x768 in kde on ubuntu ..
[03:50] <tritium> iceman, did you "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"?
[03:50] <iceman> ? did not see that ?
[03:50] <lowlux> im about ready to give up on ubuntu
[03:50] <caffinated> spinifex: yeah, you're probably accessing the wrong display.  plus, you have to grant the authority to do it through Xauth
[03:51] <tritium> iceman, it's not strictly necessary, but that's what you'd use to reconfigure X
[03:51] <spinifex> caffinated: explain...
[03:51] <caffinated> spinifex: google for it.  there is no shortage of pages explaining the process.
[03:51] <tritium> spinifex, you're using "New Login"?
[03:51] <iceman> tritium nv is listed .. not nvidia ?
[03:51] <caffinated> it's a slight pain to set up initially, but it's worth it because you don't have to start a window manager or anything
[03:52] <spinifex> tritium: New login worked.  I don't know how to use xinit though
[03:52] <caffinated> this means you can do things like run games in seperate X displays without the overhead of another desktop
[03:52] <tritium> iceman, sounds like you didn't run "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"?
[03:52] <spinifex> new login is very sweet though.  Now I can show off all my window managers without having to log out!  yay
[03:52] <tritium> spinifex, :)
[03:52] <caffinated> yeah, new login is nice.  just not the most optimal thing for games ;)
[03:53] <caffinated> though, what you could do, is use something like matchbox when you start the second X session
[03:53] <iceman> sudo: nvidia-glx-config: command not found
[03:53] <tritium> caffinated, yeah, but who has time for games ?  ;)
[03:53] <spinifex> matchbox?
[03:53] <caffinated> it's extremely minimal, and wouldn't use up much memory
[03:53] <caffinated> it's a window manager.  very lightweight
[03:53] <tritium> iceman, please make sure nvidia-glx is installed
[03:54] <iceman> how do i restart kde if i go to run level 3 ...
[03:54] <iceman> init 3
[03:54] <spinifex> okay, I'll install it
[03:54] <caffinated> spinifex: when you start the second session, it should let you pick which wm you use from the ones you've installed
[03:54] <iceman> what is it to restart kde ?
[03:54] <tritium> iceman, no, ubuntu and debian don't use runlevels in that way
[03:55] <tritium> iceman, should be: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[03:55] <geneo93> iceman:  exit
[03:55] <iceman> nvidia driver wont install in x while it's running
[03:55] <caffinated> tritium: at the moment, i do ;)
[03:55] <matt__> anyone got a broadcom wifi card working?  I've done ndiswrapper on the divers already but doesn't light up
[03:55] <caffinated> which reminds me, i should really be playing twisted metal on my PSP
[03:55] <spinifex> tritium: okay I'm curious: what's the best way to make X go away for a moment?
[03:55] <tritium> iceman, I mean the nvidia-glx package
[03:56] <abisen_> i am a new debian based user ... could some body tell me how do i find is a particular package is installed or not and if yes then what are the files that are installed in the package like rpm -qa | package rpm -ql  or emerge --search in gentoo
[03:56] <tritium> spinifex, just stop the display manager, I'd say
[03:56] <caffinated> abisen_: use synaptic
[03:56] <tritium> abisen, apt-cache policy <packagename>
[03:56] <spinifex> trytium: I mean how
[03:57] <iceman> aptitude install nvidia-glx did this ... next ?
[03:57] <spinifex> generally if you kill X, it attempts to start again
[03:57] <matt__> abisen go to system-->admin-->synaptic
[03:57] <tritium> abisen, and dpkg -L <packaname> to list the files in that package
[03:57] <iceman> aptitude install nvidia-glx i have done ... and lost now ..
[03:57] <tritium> iceman, "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"
[03:58] <Xenguy> abisen_: dpkg -l packag* ... dpkg -L packagename
[03:58] <iceman> sudo: nvidia-glx-config: command not found   nope ..
[03:58] <Xenguy> abisen_: dunno if 'sudo' is necessary
[03:59] <abisen_> Xenguy, thanks
[03:59] <Xenguy> abisen_: yw
[03:59] <tritium> iceman, you're using sudo?
[04:00] <spinifex> um, wtf, kde just said my battery has 3 minutes left and logged me out.  But the battery monitor displays an hour and 3 minutes left
[04:01] <spinifex> and hour and 12 I mean
[04:01] <iceman>  sudo nvidia-glx-config enable in sudo and no luck
[04:02] <iceman> without sudo in root terminal no luck
[04:02] <tritium> iceman, it's in the nvidia-glx package.  You're sure you installed it?
[04:03] <iceman> yep
[04:03] <hroxby> I am a little confused as to why there is no python-sqlobject in hoary?  Its in sarge... any ideas?
[04:04] <poningru> guys I am going to reformat my laptop
[04:04] <bob2> perhaps it didn't build
[04:04] <poningru> I want to compile my own kernel and then build ubuntu is there a guide to this entire process?
[04:04] <hroxby> Any ideas why something would be in sarge but not hoary more generally?
[04:05] <bob2> poningru: you mean "install ubuntu"?
[04:05] <poningru> yeah
[04:05] <bob2> hroxby: generally only if it failed to build, which is unlikely for a pure python thing
[04:05] <poningru> but not the precompiled install
[04:05] <bob2> poningru: you want to compile all of ubuntu from source?
[04:06] <nalioth> bob2 sounds like "way beyond linux from scratch"
[04:06] <bob2> yeah
[04:07] <bob2> it's possible, but pointless and massively time consuming
[04:07] <xf`> How can I disable all oss modules loaded and enable all of my alsa modules?
[04:07] <spinifex> I think he just wants a custom kernel.  Wouldn't it be easier to install first, and customize the kernel later?
[04:07] <bob2> and discouraged, since if you have to ask for help, you're going to have problems
[04:07] <bob2> spinifex: if possible, yup
[04:07] <bob2> xf`: that should happen by default.  hotplug is loading oss modules ahead of alsa ones?
[04:07] <bluefoxicy> anyone recommend a video editing suite?
[04:08] <spinifex> btw, I installed matchbox.  How do I write the .desktop file so I can launch it from gdm?
[04:08] <spinifex> would be nice if those were included in the packages..
[04:08] <tritium> bluefoxicy, kino
[04:08] <benplaut> bluefoxicy: Kino kinda sucks, but it is the only one (correct me if i'm wrong)
[04:08] <poningru> bob2: yes
[04:08] <bob2> poningru: why?
[04:09] <poningru> processor opimization
[04:09] <bob2> and please don't use the phraase "optimise for my processor" ;p
[04:09] <xf`>  bo 2: I"m not quite sure.  When I use alsaplayer -o alsa foo.mp3
[04:09] <poningru> brb
[04:09] <poningru> lol
[04:09] <bob2> haha
[04:09] <poningru> why not?
[04:09] <bob2> no, it won't help, really
[04:09] <poningru> brb
[04:09] <bob2> if you want that, use gentoo
[04:09] <djgomez33> anyone good with setting up network connections?
[04:09] <matt__> anyone have any luck getting a pcmcia WIFI card to work?
[04:09] <xf`> bob2: I get...Failed to load output plugin "alsa".  Trying defaults.
[04:09] <bob2> djgomez33: best to just ask your question
[04:09] <bob2> matt__: works for lots of people
[04:09] <bob2> xf`: what sound card do you have?
[04:10] <xf`> bob2: What I'm really after is having my apps share sound or mix the sound
[04:10] <xf`> Intel AC'97
[04:10] <glick> hey how do i activate the root account on ubuntu?
[04:10] <matt__> bob2, any luck with the broadcom driver?
[04:10] <nalioth> spinifex: /usr/share/xsession(s)  and monkey see monkey do
[04:10] <bob2> glick: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:10] <bob2> glick: but really, there's no need to
[04:10] <bob2> matt__: using ndiswrapper?
[04:10] <matt__> yea
[04:10] <bob2> ouch
[04:10] <bob2> is it too late to get a refund on it?
[04:10] <djgomez33> i keep getting a sudo:unable to lookup laptop via gethostbyname()
[04:11] <xf`> bob2: A refund on my sound card?  It's onboard.
[04:11] <djgomez33> thats when I am trying to troubleshoot with various online threads
[04:11] <bob2> djgomez33: your /etc/hosts is broken
[04:11] <bob2> xf`: not you
[04:11] <xf`> ahh okay
[04:11] <djgomez33> bob2: how can I go about fixing that? reinstall?
[04:11] <matt__> bob2, why? broadcom is a no go with ubuntu so far?
[04:11] <^thehatsrule^> refund your mobo then ;p
[04:11] <spinifex> nalioth, you mean to attempt to mimic the other files?
[04:11] <bob2> xf`: what does "lsmod | grep ac97" print?
[04:11] <nalioth> spinifex: open one of the other .desktop files and create one for your matchbox
[04:11] <bob2> matt__: they don't have linux drivers, so you have to use ndiswrapper, which is a pretty nasty solution
[04:12] <nalioth> spinifex: using the exising ones for guides
[04:12] <bob2> matt__: if at all possible, I'd really recommend getting one that linux supports
[04:12] <spinifex> okay, I'll do my best
[04:12] <matt__> bob2, yea but if it works ....
[04:12] <i3dmaste1> how to get the initrd.img stuff out?
[04:12] <bob2> djgomez33: no, show us your /etc/hosts
[04:12] <spinifex> are tehre any guides on this?  I don't know what to google
[04:12] <nalioth> spinifex: unfortunately, i had to do this for my other WMs
[04:12] <xf`> bob2: ...
[04:12] <xf`> snd_ac97_codec         74144  1 snd_intel8x0
[04:12] <xf`> snd_pcm                94696  4 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
[04:12] <xf`> snd                    55012  11 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
[04:12] <bob2> i3dmaste1: what are you trying to do?
[04:12] <bob2> xf`: so, you have the alsa modules loaded
[04:12] <djgomez33> whats the best way to do that?
[04:12] <spinifex> nalioth: I found a guide with what I had to write for the enlightenment one
[04:12] <xf`> yeah heh
[04:12] <i3dmaste1> bob2: I want to see what is inside the initrd
[04:12] <bob2> xf`: if you "pkill esd", that program should work
[04:12] <xf`> esd isn't running
[04:13] <xf`> I'm trying to have it so that two apps can use sound
[04:13] <bob2> i3dmaste1: it's a gziz'd cramfs image, iirc
[04:13] <xf`> i've heard dmix?
[04:13] <bob2> xf`: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[04:13] <FlyingSquirrel32> I'm having trouble installing freedroidRPG. when I run ./configure, It says it can't find SDL
[04:13] <i3dmaste1> bob2: I am having problem booting up my system
[04:13] <xf`> bob2: thanks
[04:13] <bob2> i3dmaste1: using hoary?
[04:13] <bob2> djgomez33: just paste it in to #flood
[04:13] <i3dmaste1> bob2: you got it
[04:13] <bob2> matt__: well, "works" is subjective ;)
[04:13] <glick> i just feel more comfortable being able to become root
[04:13] <bob2> i3dmaste1: did you get the broken security update from a few days ago?
[04:13] <i3dmaste1> bob2: so gunzip should unzip it then
[04:13] <doug_gg> hi everybody
[04:14] <bob2> glick: so, 'sudo -s', no need to enable the root account
[04:14] <doug_gg> I am having a dilemma here
[04:14] <doug_gg> please help
[04:14] <bob2> doug_gg: just ask your question
[04:14] <matt__> bob2, mepis detects it automatically and xandros works with ndiswrapper...
[04:14] <bob2> i3dmaste1: I think so
[04:14] <doug_gg> I just re-installed windows XP on my dual boot PC
[04:14] <i3dmaste1> bob2: ok sounds like you knew something. I upgraded to 2.6.10-34.1 and it just did not work
[04:14] <djgomez33> all it has in it I beleive is 127.0.0.1 localhosts
[04:14] <bob2> matt__: and so will ubuntu, probably, but it's still nasty...
[04:14] <matt__> but with ubuntu I can't get it to turn on
[04:14] <bob2> i3dmaste1: get the latest one
[04:14] <bob2> djgomez33: there you go
[04:14] <doug_gg> now windows boot manager over writes the GRUB of Ubuntu
[04:14] <doug_gg> how can i get GRUB back in control , thanks
[04:15] <i3dmaste1> bob2: latest? where? I updated today and did not see there is one available
[04:15] <bob2> djgomez33: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost laptop
[04:15] <spinifex> there's a windows boot manager?
[04:15] <bob2> djgomez33: make the first line say that
[04:15] <nalioth> spinifex: be nice
[04:15] <bob2> i3dmaste1: ok
[04:15] <Triffid_Hunter> doug_gg: boot off linux cd, mount your root and dev and proc and boot, chroot in and reinstall grub
[04:15] <doug_gg> it's windows
[04:15] <djgomez33> exactly?
[04:15] <doug_gg> :O
[04:15] <doug_gg> can i use Ubuntu boot CD?
[04:15] <nalioth> doug_gg: get your ubuntu live cd, and follow the above instructions
[04:16] <bob2> djgomez33: yes
[04:16] <spinifex> nalioth: what?  I've been dual boot for years.  XP has never called a boot manager on me
[04:16] <doug_gg> i guess windows just overwrote the MBR ok
[04:16] <i3dmaste1> bob2: gunzip: initrd.img-2.6.10-5-386.gz: not in gzip format
[04:16] <nalioth> spinifex: its not a boot manager like you're thinking, its a guide for the puter to start windoze and only windoze
[04:16] <FlyingSquirrel32> spinifex, That happens if you install windows after you install linux
[04:16] <bob2> i3dmaste1: what does file say it is?
[04:16] <nalioth> doug_gg: yes, XP ate your mbr
[04:16] <spinifex> ohh
[04:17] <doug_gg> so after i boot from Ubuntu cd, now what?
[04:17] <spinifex> so not something that selects different things to boot..
[04:17] <i3dmaste1> bob2: initrd.img-2.6.10-5-386.gz: Linux Compressed ROM File System data
[04:17] <glick> i dont know if i like to be able to just sudo from my account as can be dangerous cant it?
[04:17] <bob2> i3dmaste1: oh, there you go, not gzip'd
[04:17] <FlyingSquirrel32> doug_gg, yes, windows will overwrite it. you can fix it in windows, but it's probably esier to reinstall grub
[04:17] <i3dmaste1> bob2: it looks like different then redhat stuff
[04:17] <bob2> glick: no more dangerous than being able to login as root
[04:17] <bob2> i3dmaste1: yeah
[04:17] <doug_gg> yes, please tell me how to reinstall GRUB
[04:18] <i3dmaste1> bob2: but that's ok, what tool do you know can get it unzipped?
[04:18] <stuNNed> anyone use ldap with evolution?
[04:18] <bob2> i3dmaste1: eh? it sounds very much like you can just mount it.
[04:18] <FlyingSquirrel32> Triffid_Hunter, can you please elaborate on your solution for doug_gg?
[04:19] <imaek> How can I convert a .mp3 to a .ogg in FFMPEG?
[04:19] <i3dmaste1> bob2: tried, wouldn't work. ask me for the fs type which I have no idea
[04:19] <bob2> imaek: don't bother
[04:19] <FlyingSquirrel32> Triffid_Hunter, to mount those folders, can he just use sudo mount / for ex?
[04:19] <doug_gg> thanks FlyingSquirrel32
[04:19] <tritium> imaek, are you sure you want to lose additional sound quality?
[04:19] <imaek> I have to, bob2 .
[04:19] <imaek> Yes.
[04:19] <i3dmaste1> bob2: I usually just do loop mount, but it doesn't work
[04:19] <bob2> i3dmaste1: sudo mount -t cramfs -o loop /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-2-686 /mnt
[04:19] <djgomez33> thanks bob2 your the man
[04:19] <bob2> imaek: why?
[04:20] <Triffid_Hunter> FlyingSquirrel32: he'll need /dev and /boot mounted inside the chroot at a minimum, and also /usr if necessary
[04:20] <i3dmaste1> bob2: k, trying
[04:20] <imaek> bob2: it's a project someone's working on and they need a .ogg file
[04:20] <geneo93> imaek:  why do you have to
[04:20] <bob2> djgomez33: np
[04:20] <doug_gg> sh*t, i can just google it and find my own way
[04:20] <Triffid_Hunter> basically the process is to fool grub into thinking its running from his installed linux rather than the cd, which is what the chroot is for
[04:20] <FlyingSquirrel32> Triffid_Hunter, but doesnt ubuntu make it all one partition by default?
[04:20] <Lafitte-> does htis command work for anyone using Ubuntu cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI
[04:21] <Triffid_Hunter> i dunno.. i don't use ubuntu
[04:21] <i3dmaste1> bob2: ok. this is wonderful. you got it!
[04:21] <Triffid_Hunter> doesn't it give you the option during install? last time i installed it, it asked me..
[04:21] <tritium> imaek, use sox to convert (see sox manpage for details)
[04:21] <bob2> Lafitte-: sudo cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc foo.iso
[04:21] <bob2> i3dmaste1: remember, you can't modify, though
[04:21] <bob2> Lafitte-: no need to scan, you know the device name already
[04:21] <matt__> flyingsquirrel32, ubuntu will let you make partitions and resize
[04:21] <spinifex> resize?
[04:22] <Lafitte-> bob2,   let me try
[04:22] <i3dmaste1> bob2: I know, I will copy them out. but ya, its a problem, if I change anything, how I can make a new one then?
[04:22] <FlyingSquirrel32> matt__, but if he's as new as he sounds, he used the defaults like me.
[04:22] <danko123456> bah, finally...dont set your gateway on an interface unless that interface interfaces with the internet. Otherwise you will not be able to get online.
[04:22] <matt__> yea when installing from CD I resized my NTFS partition
[04:22] <FlyingSquirrel32> matt__, I've got / and /proc
[04:22] <bob2> i3dmaste1: if all you want to do is modify it, I'm pretty sure editing /etc/mkinitrd.conf and running mkinitrd is plenty
[04:22] <spinifex> if I have a windows partition (fat32) that doesn't use all its capacity, can I use ubuntu to grab a chunk out of it and format that?
[04:22] <xf`> bob2: I'm getting Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?) when iI do `aoss mpg123  foo.mp3`  I've folowed the instructions up to that point.
[04:22] <Triffid_Hunter> FlyingSquirrel32: /proc is a pseudo filesystem, as is /sys and usually /dev too ;)
[04:22] <FlyingSquirrel32> matt__, a simple mount command will do?
[04:23] <geneo93> hehe
[04:23] <bob2> xf`: is the device in use?
[04:23] <kroc> hi again
[04:23] <danko123456> hey
[04:23] <xf`> bob2: Nothing is running that would be using it.
[04:23] <xf`> esd is not running, nothing else is up
[04:23] <FlyingSquirrel32> Triffid_Hunter, so do you mount them seperatly, or will they all be mounted when you do mount /
[04:23] <matt__> flyingsquirrel32, I'm not sure if you can do it from any other place than when running the install CD
[04:23] <tritium> Lafitte-, you can specify the device details in /etc/default/cdrecord
[04:23] <kroc> i was wondering.. since i have a website on my comp, but my comp is not always on, is there any way to make it always avaiable?
[04:23] <bob2> xf`: fuser -v /dev/{dsp,mixer,audio} /dev/snd/*
[04:23] <danko123456> spinifex, likely, use gtparted.
[04:24] <kroc> like maybe a free adless webhosting server?
[04:24] <bob2> kroc: put it on a machine that is always on
[04:24] <kroc> bob2: dont have others
[04:24] <xf`> mixer_applet2
[04:24] <FlyingSquirrel32> Triffid_Hunter & matt__, Now you've got me confused... what is the command?
[04:24] <i3dmaste1> bob2: tried that before, but there is really nothing I need to modity on that. my root is ext3 fs, and the kernel just can pass it.
[04:24] <xf`> killed that just incase, get the same error
[04:24] <matt__> never used a command, just ran the install CD
[04:24] <kroc> anyone know a free adless webhosting site?
[04:25] <Lafitte-> tritium, ok     how i do that  heh e
[04:25] <i3dmaste1> bob2: btw, I can see what the initrd fs has... :)
[04:25] <Triffid_Hunter> FlyingSquirrel32: you can't mount / when booted from cd.. you have to mount /dev/hdblah /mnt ; mount -t proc proc /mnt/proc ; mount -t bind /dev /mnt/dev ; chroot /mnt /bin/bash , then grub-install /dev/hda or whatever
[04:25] <tritium> Lafitte-, take a look at the file.  It's fairly straightforward.
[04:25] <Varanger> hi
[04:25] <Varanger> I need help
[04:25] <Triffid_Hunter> then reboot and see if it works, if it doesn't tell you you missed a bit
[04:25] <bob2> xf`: ignore aoss then, and just use aplay or something
[04:25] <xf`> bob2: Okay
[04:26] <Varanger> I am using Ubuntu Hoary and I can't make my i915 card work
[04:26] <iceman> no op[tion to get above 640x480 resolution
[04:26] <matt__> varanger... networking? graphics?
[04:26] <FlyingSquirrel32> Triffid_Hunter, ohhhhh now I see. I'll have to study up on the pseudo filesystems.
[04:26] <bob2> matt__: graphics
[04:26] <bob2> Varanger: there's an open bug about that
[04:27] <FlyingSquirrel32> doug_gg, did you get all of what Triffid_Hunter just said?
[04:27] <Triffid_Hunter> hehe sorry i'm a gentoo user, so doing this all comes naturally to me
[04:27] <matt__> flyingsquirrel32 to advanced for me
[04:28] <iceman> I get no options for display above 640x480 ... but nvidia driver installed ok
[04:28] <FlyingSquirrel32> doug_gg, Don't tell me you've left... :-/
[04:28] <tritium> iceman, drop down to a virtual console and run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[04:28] <iceman> how to virtual consol ?
[04:28] <FlyingSquirrel32> Triffid_Hunter, well, thanks you've taught me something.
[04:29] <Triffid_Hunter> np ;)
[04:29] <tritium> iceman, Ctrl-Alt-F1, for example
[04:29] <tritium> iceman, see this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:29] <iceman> ok .. sec
[04:30] <Varanger> bob2: where can I look for that bug?
[04:30] <Varanger> matt__: graphics intel i915g
[04:30] <Lafitte-> bob2,   i did that  i got a write  but it didnt write the cd
[04:31] <Lafitte-> bob2,  do i need any switches ?   like -J -R  or anything
[04:31] <LiquidAir> hey
[04:32] <Strife> is there a way to have dhcp be backgrounded during startup?
[04:32] <dooglus> the torrent for the hoary dvd iso is still down - but amazingly enough azureus can still download it, using its new 'trackerless torrent' technology.  how does that work??
[04:32] <Lafitte-> Strife,  backgrounded ??
[04:33] <Strife> because I have both a wireless card and an ethernet card, and it gets to be painful having to wait for one to connect but the other to timeout
[04:33] <novaflare> now thats a total trip
[04:33] <Strife> Lafitte-: so it'll load the other stuff while dhcp is running
[04:33] <Lafitte-> Strife,  ctrl c
[04:33] <novaflare> rubies of eventide has a mem leak
[04:33] <Strife> Lafitte-: that quits it
[04:33] <Strife> that doesn't bg it :P
[04:33] <danko123456> ctr+z
[04:33] <novaflare> simply swapping sessions between zones seems to clear it all out
[04:33] <danko123456> bg process number?
[04:33] <danko123456> something like that.
[04:33] <Strife> danko123456: not on startup, buddy
[04:33] <Strife> this is as the system is booting
[04:33] <danko123456> ok, well, I tried:)
[04:34] <Strife> when it says "Configuring network interfaces" or whatever
[04:34] <Jormundgand> I'm planning on switching to Fedora Core 3 soon (hopefully, Deo gratis, tomorrow) and note with irony that in doing so I'll be coming full circle.
[04:34] <Strife> heh, I appreciate the try
[04:34] <danko123456> strife, did yoyu read the ubuntuguide, it has some related entried.
[04:34] <Lafitte-> Strife,  mine can optain dhcp in like 3 seconds
[04:34] <Jormundgand> I lost my penguinity on RedHat Linux 4.2 (and we still have the CD somewhere :D).
[04:34] <danko123456> Jormundgand: how come?
[04:34] <kroc> just found a machine in my house that i can leave on for a long time... now i need a domain name... are there any short ones?
[04:34] <Strife> Lafitte-: so can mine, but I have *two* network interfaces
[04:34] <danko123456> you have been quite frequent here...
[04:34] <Lafitte-> Strife,  i woul dchoose not to load i during startup   and pump dhcp as needed
[04:35] <Strife> Lafitte-: so one of them holds it up there
[04:35] <Jormundgand> danko123456: Because I like fiddling about and trying different distros.
[04:35] <danko123456> ah,
[04:35] <danko123456> k.
[04:35] <Lafitte-> Strife,  so do i
[04:35] <Strife> meh, I don't like that option
[04:35] <Strife> if I could just get it to search for the dhcp server in the background it would be great
[04:35] <Lafitte-> Strife,   oh well  good luck
[04:35] <Lafitte-> meh
[04:35] <iceman> ran the config file ... but kde only give me 640x480 ... but config had 1024 x768 in it
[04:35] <Strife> heh
[04:35] <sublime_> in#ubuntu-es
[04:36] <Jormundgand> I tried Gentoo to conclude that it was more trouble than it's worth.
[04:36] <penguinparty> how does ubuntu load the modules . . . no /etc/modules.conf
[04:36] <Lafitte-> im getting ready to try sarge rc3 here in a few
[04:36] <Lafitte-> ubuntu is great    but really has limited me to certain things
[04:37] <glick> hey, it seems that by default the ubuntu kernel does not support high memory systems or APM do i have to recompile or can i pass the kernel proper arguments to adjust this?
[04:37] <danko123456> dont you ppl have better things to do, than change distros?? Maybe you are looking w\for something, cause the what you have dont work for you? or what, I mean, I am happy to have it work, and do whatever I think of...
[04:37] <tritium> Lafitte-, like what?
[04:37] <danko123456> Why change a distro, I guess is the question if the one you have works.
[04:37] <djgomez33> I can't get my laptop connected to my router, i have the eth1 active
[04:37] <penguinparty> ubuntu doesnt work for me
[04:37] <penguinparty> maybe I should switch :)
[04:38] <penguinparty> no sound .. . alsa wont work . . no /dev/dsp
[04:38] <danko123456> only if there is another thing  that you know will work.
[04:38] <danko123456> penguinparty: stay around, crimsun will know how to fix that.
[04:38] <carthik> penguinparty, ubuntu uses esd ?
[04:38] <tritium> penguinparty, have you looked in /proc/asound?
[04:38] <danko123456> :-p crimsun...
[04:38] <Lafitte-> tritium, alot of things i need to setup have been blocked   for example  touchpad features   or some cdrecord options   some scriptsing things dont work
[04:38] <dooglus> danko123456: in my case I got sick of the community around the one I was using, so I changed to ubuntu because I heard there was good community support for it.  And there is!
[04:38] <crimsun> penguinparty: give me 5 minutes, and I'll resume troubleshooting with you.
[04:38] <penguinparty> I know debian does work ;)
[04:38] <carthik> djgomez33, what was that again - ehternet, or wireless?
[04:38] <penguinparty> crimsun is the master!
[04:39] <glick> penguinparty, what doesnt work?
[04:39] <djgomez33> its wireless
[04:39] <tritium> Lafitte-, scripting things don't work?  That doesn't sound correct.  And cdrecord can be configured in /etc/default/cdrecord
[04:39] <Lafitte-> tritium, dont get me worng     this Ubuntu has done a very awesome job setting up a user desktop for me
[04:39] <danko123456> crimsun, I have a school/teaching question, if I write it out in a pastebin, will you read it at some point, and answer?
[04:39] <penguinparty> alsa . . . no /dev/dsp cant get it created drivers wont load properly
[04:39] <carthik> djgomez33, please use my name, so i know you are talking to me easier
[04:39] <penguinparty> now im running alsa 1.0.9rc4a on 2.6.11.8
[04:40] <penguinparty> still dosnt work
[04:40] <djgomez33> carthik: my wireless connection under eth1 is active, and doing an iwconfig, it is recongizeing my  ESSID
[04:40] <Lafitte-> tritium, i didnt have the same issues with sarge   and my friends that can help me at times dont use Ubuntu   so they have got abit lost trying to help me with some things
[04:40] <carthik> djgomez33, use System ->Administration ->Networking to check if the name of the network is fine
[04:40] <danko123456> penguinparty: wow.":)
[04:40] <glick> is there an ubuntu apt kernel available with high memory support?
[04:40] <iceman> who can help me get video resolutions above 640x480
[04:40] <heavywolf> hello
[04:40] <Lafitte-> tritium, i think im going to duel boot  though    i just rsynced this system to a USB hd      so i will have it
[04:41] <carthik> djgomez33, maybe you need to restart eth1 once? try sudo ifdown eth1 and then sudo ifup eth1
[04:41] <slimb> heavywolf: hello
[04:41] <carthik> djgomez33, then you can see whats going on
[04:41] <djgomez33> carthik: k trying that now
[04:41] <penguinparty> I think that it might be good to stop the modules from loading at boot and load them by hand . . . but I donno where to stop them there is no /etc/modules.conf and deleting the /etc/modutils/alsa-base didnt stop them from loading
[04:41] <heavywolf> slackd00d,  how is it going? im new in ubuntu, i was a debian user
[04:41] <heavywolf> i was trying out this one, and man, it looks so good
[04:41] <carthik> iceman, is that a laptop?
[04:41] <heavywolf> is even faster
[04:41] <tritium> penguinparty, if they're not listed in /etc/modules, they're being hotplugged, so you should blacklist them
[04:41] <iceman> no desktop
[04:41] <Remor> wow....
[04:42] <iceman> nvidia drivers installed ..
[04:42] <iceman> just limited to 640x480 ...
[04:42] <carthik> iceman, find out what video card you have and search the forums?
[04:42] <xyzx> Guys can anyone walk me through install a program from a source file, I am getting errors!
[04:42] <tritium> iceman, did you see that URL I sent you earlier?
[04:42] <iceman> what to fix
[04:42] <penguinparty> tritium: how do I do that? what hotplugs them?
[04:42] <iceman> no url .. sorry
[04:42] <Remor> I just got uh...4 Boxes of ubuntu cd's lol, there must be 800 cd's here. And i only ordered 10 to take my Lug...
[04:42] <tritium> iceman, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:42] <danko123456> hey, I cant get a program to use my audio device, even after I kill esd now...what else could be wrong?
[04:42] <penguinparty> cant unload my alsa once its booted
[04:42] <tritium> penguinparty, you can add them to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[04:43] <slimb> lol @ Remor
[04:43] <Remor> sheesh
[04:43] <Remor> i think someone made a mistake :P
[04:43] <danko123456> remor, serious, got more than ordered?
[04:43] <slimb> i'd say so Remor :)
[04:43] <djgomez33> carthik: i think it could have something to do with my encryption, I am almost positive I entered everything correctly
[04:43] <tritium> my CDs have not shipped yet
[04:43] <IcemanV9> Remor: have a party and pass it out!!
[04:43] <Remor> i ordered 10 ...
[04:43] <danko123456> wow.
[04:43] <penguinparty> tritium: is that really necessary to get alsa to work?
[04:43] <Remor> Yeah, im taking them to my lug
[04:44] <Remor> but there is maybe only 50 people average there.
[04:44] <danko123456> did you pput in a reason why you want the 10?
[04:44] <crimsun> glick: any non-386 flavor is
[04:44] <Remor> Yeah
[04:44] <tritium> penguinparty, no
[04:44] <carthik> djgomez33, hmm!
[04:44] <crimsun> glick: (686*, k7, etc.)
[04:44] <xb> did anyone else install ubuntu to see that gcc wasnt installed?
[04:44] <tritium> penguinparty, but you're using 2.6.11?  you must need newer alsa modules?
[04:44] <crimsun> penguinparty: what hardware?
[04:44] <Remor> I wanted 8 x86, 1 64, 1 ppc
[04:44] <Strife> xb: it's not hard to get installed :P
[04:44] <penguinparty> tritium: so what would you suggest? Ive tried so many things
[04:44] <penguinparty> su8820
[04:44] <tritium> xb, that's right.  sudo aptitude install build-essential
[04:44] <djgomez33> carthik: should i have eht1 active or wifo0 active?
[04:44] <danko123456> xyzx: I would make a more specific question, perhaps accompanied by a http://pastebin.com.
[04:44] <penguinparty> oops au8820
[04:45] <crimsun> penguinparty: you didn't put anything in /etc/modprobe.conf, did you?
[04:45] <tritium> penguinparty, I'd defer to crimsun, if you don't mind
[04:45] <srbaker> yo
[04:45] <xb> great.  jus making sure :)
[04:45] <danko123456> yo yo
[04:45] <srbaker> i have an mpg that i'd like to burn on to a video dvd.  what tools can i use?
[04:45] <glick> crimsun, thanks
[04:45] <danko123456> yeah, like make a dvd that can play in a dvd player, srbaker?
[04:45] <penguinparty> crimsun: there is no modprobe.conf
[04:45] <crimsun> penguinparty: good, there shouldn't be
[04:46] <crimsun> penguinparty: dpkg -l alsa-base libasound2 alsa-utils|grep ^ii
[04:46] <penguinparty> crimsun: but it all loads at boot
[04:46] <srbaker> danko123456, yes
[04:46] <xb> tritium, thank you !
[04:46] <danko123456> srbaker: sweet, tell me once you find out. I need the same thing.
[04:46] <tritium> xb, sure :)
[04:46] <carthik> djgomez33, I hope you were editing /etc/network/interfaces ?
[04:46] <Remor> Welp, i guess ill have enough disks to pass out @ quakecon :P
[04:46] <penguinparty> crimsun: ive installed 1.0.9rc4a from source like you said to yesterday
[04:46] <tritium> Remor, send some my way ;)
[04:46] <xb> how easily that was done.  now i need to install a proxy -- ill be back to pay my debt ;)
[04:46] <poningru> so why would one compile ubuntu?
[04:46] <crimsun> danko123456: sure, if I have a breather
[04:46] <danko123456> k, thanks.
[04:47] <poningru> instead of just installing it?
[04:47] <carthik> djgomez33, I am not too sure about how to get encryption working though - dont have encryption going here
[04:47] <crimsun> penguinparty: so /proc/asound/version contains 1.0.9rc4a?
[04:47] <djgomez33> carthik: yes, under wireless settings and connections settings
[04:47] <penguinparty> crimsun: dpkg shows alsa-base      1.0.8-4ubuntu4
[04:47] <tritium> poningru, I don't think you'd see much return on your investment in effort and time
[04:47] <crimsun> penguinparty: right
[04:47] <poningru> but see I want to learn as well
[04:47] <djgomez33> carthik: I noticed there is an eth1 and wifo0 whats the difference, should i use one or the othe or both?
[04:47] <penguinparty> crimsun: no your right /proc/asound/version shows older stuff
[04:48] <matt__> djgomez33, do you have wifi working?
[04:48] <penguinparty> crimsun: why would it be loading the old stuff still?
[04:48] <crimsun> penguinparty: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name 'snd.ko'
[04:49] <penguinparty> \/lib/modules/2.6.11.8/kernel/sound/acore/snd.ko
[04:49] <penguinparty> /lib/modules/2.6.11.8/updates/alsa/acore/snd.ko
[04:49] <djgomez33> carthik: I had eth1 active but it wouldn't find any website i visited
[04:49] <carthik> djgomez33, that is due to improper configuration.
[04:49] <penguinparty> rats I gotta run
[04:50] <carthik> djgomez33, maybe you can did what my friend did - turn off encryption, try first, and later, try and work with encryption
[04:50] <danko123456> he waqsnt joking.
[04:50] <carthik> djgomez33, so you know something works
[04:50] <danko123456> I wanna know what is using my sound device.
[04:50] <Vinoo> hi
[04:50] <IIIEars_> I am sorry, just crushed 2 ubuntu installs and a 10 disk (2hour) Windows install trying to get grub right. can anyone give me the suntax for linux on the second larger drive?
[04:50] <thphox> Hello
[04:50] <kroc> howdy
[04:50] <crimsun> danko123456: lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[04:50] <poningru> so anyone got a guide for compiling ubuntu
[04:50] <danko123456> thanks.
[04:50] <Vinoo> i just did a smart upgrade with synaptic and gnome broke
[04:50] <djgomez33> carthik: I can get them both to say active, however i getting "website not found"
[04:50] <danko123456> nothuing means nothing, right?
[04:50] <tritium> Vinoo, are you using breezy?
[04:50] <crimsun> danko123456: right
[04:50] <spinifex> poningru: why do you want ubuntu?
[04:50] <Vinoo> no hoary
[04:50] <crimsun> (presuming you're using ALSA)
[04:51] <danko123456> thanks.
[04:51] <tritium> poningru, I doubt such a guide exists
[04:51] <poningru> ic
[04:51] <carthik> djgomez33, their saying "active" means nothing with regard to the connection.
[04:51] <kroc> and why would you want to compile ubunutu for anyway?
[04:51] <iceman> well .. that still did not work ..
[04:51] <Vinoo> there's a guide on the ubuntu page about upgrading
[04:51] <poningru> see want to learn compiling distro but dont want something hard as balls
[04:51] <danko123456> I am trying to get the same thing like last night, working, I rebooted, killed esd, and when I start the sdame program that woprked before the reboot(using the aforementioned steps) gives me the error that it can not open sound device.
[04:52] <djgomez33> carthik: I have a bad feeling it has something to do with my encryption, maybe I will turn it off and test it
[04:52] <Vinoo> it says wait for the problem to come up on the mailing lists
[04:52] <IIIEars_> If Ubuntu is on drive two and XP is drive one wht is the syntax for gub-install and then grub menu.lst?
[04:52] <tritium> poningru, perhaps compile a few packages instead of an entire install?
[04:52] <Unintentional> Question: Whenever I attempt to play a DVD in Totem, it freezes up.  I've so far installed gstreamer 0.8,
[04:52] <carthik> djgomez33, yes. that would be a good way to start - get something working and then go from there
[04:52] <danko123456> Unintentional: other files work?
[04:52] <IIIEars_> Google has conflicting examples
[04:52] <poningru> I guess I should choose another distro like arch or something thanks anyway guys
[04:52] <carthik> poninguru, it is more or less the same, all the time. You should try gentoo, perhaps? It is not hard -- with all that documentation!
[04:53] <danko123456> IIIEars_:
[04:53] <danko123456> oops
[04:53] <Unintentional> haven't tested.  give me a minute to find one.
[04:53] <iceman> xorg.conf has the setting for higher resolution .. what next ?
[04:53] <danko123456> IIIEars_: weird question, go more... more info, I wanna know what is installed, whatever, whatever...
[04:53] <danko123456> what you are installing...
[04:54] <Unintentional> I get the audio stream to any mpg file, but no video.
[04:54] <crimsun> Unintentional: are you using totem or totem-xine?
[04:54] <xyzx> danko123456,  here is the actions that I've taken to install the source file http://pastebin.com/290505
[04:54] <danko123456> IIIEars_: I know for a fact, that, I have never gotten grub to boot into my second hard drive which has windows.
[04:54] <Unintentional> just totom.
[04:54] <hybrid_goth> hello all
[04:54] <djgomez33> carthik: is there a way for ubunto to find the wireless connections available automatically?
[04:54] <Unintentional> *totem.
[04:54] <IIIEars_> windows xp is on drive one 80g and ubuntu is on drive two 120g  xp boots from the second partition of drive one ubutu from drive 2 first partition.
[04:55] <crimsun> Unintentional: does System>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector>Default Audio Sink>ESD>Test work correctly?
[04:55] <iceman> well checked this link .. no help .. did not fix my resolution problem ...http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:55] <carthik> djgomez33, try sudo iwlist
[04:55] <carthik> djgomez33, the graphical networking management tool should list them in the drop down list, too.
[04:55] <iceman> what else to get a higher resolution
[04:55] <danko123456> well, xyzx, first, I will tell you about tar xzvf filename, that is right away for what you did with the two steps there.
[04:55] <kroc> damn computers ruined my life.
[04:55] <tritium> iceman, did you specify new HorizSync and VertRefresh?
[04:56] <kroc> but they also made it less painful.
[04:56] <iceman> it detects my monitor ...
[04:56] <Unintentional> crimsun, yeah it works fine.
[04:56] <iceman> by name
[04:56] <danko123456> xyzx: do you mind removing everything up tp the point where you downloaded the file?
[04:56] <amonkey> i have vlc set as the plugin of choice on firefox, how do i make it display controls?
[04:56] <tritium> iceman, please paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on pastebin
[04:56] <IIIEars_> creating a boot.lnx file and using the windows loader for linux would be just plain wrong. - lol
[04:56] <iceman> link to pastbin plz
[04:57] <xyzx> danko123456, I do not mind removing!
[04:57] <tritium> iceman, http://pastebin.com/
[04:57] <tritium> iceman, please use my nick, so I see your messages  to me
[04:57] <danko123456> xyzx: then do so, and after that, tar xvzf filename.
[04:57] <xyzx> danko123456, shall I just purge all exept downloaded file?
[04:57] <crimsun> Unintentional: see the sound preferences for totem. Perhaps it's attempting a parameter that fails with your hardware.
[04:57] <danko123456> right, that sounds right.
[04:58] <hybrid_goth> does mplayer play ogg theora?
[04:58] <crimsun> hybrid_goth: yes
[04:58] <Unintentional> crimsun: no, that seems alright.  the only listed audio option is the output type, which is appropriately set at stereo.
[04:58] <djgomez33> carthik how do you get to graphical networking management tool?
[04:59] <iceman> tritium k ... sec .. huge file
[04:59] <appleworkitbaby> Right...so I was just attempting to install Ubuntu on my external HD (on a Mac) and it wouldn't install Yaboot Bootloader...what should I do?
[04:59] <tritium> iceman, okay, thanks
[04:59] <crimsun> Unintentional: do sound files play normally?
[04:59] <IIIEars_> grub-install root_device= hda some_command= one_more_command=   ?????
[04:59] <Unintentional> crimsun: yeah.  I'm not having any trouble with audio, really.  just video.
[04:59] <carthik> djgomez33, System ->Administration ->Networking. I think it was the first thing I mentioned when we started :)
[04:59] <hybrid_goth> crimsun: ok tyu
[04:59] <danko123456> xyzx: once you have only that file, then tar xzvf it.
[04:59] <appleworkitbaby> IIIEars_ on a mac?
[04:59] <danko123456> and change to its folder.
[05:00] <inva|id> how would I kill esd (and restart it later)
[05:00] <iceman> tritium wow ... http://pastebin.com/290507
[05:00] <IIIEars_> I wish. the G5 makes me drool.
[05:00] <crimsun> Unintentional: sorry, misread your question
[05:00] <tritium> iceman, checking...
[05:00] <danko123456> appleworkitbaby: it is a complex process, did you google?
[05:00] <crimsun> Unintentional: what types of files are you trying to play?
[05:00] <djgomez33> carthik: yes it was, i have that windo up, i just wanted to make sure I was on the same page, thats how I knew they were active, under what tab will it sho the available networks
[05:00] <danko123456> dvds
[05:00] <glick> about how long does an ubuntu install take?
[05:00] <glick> i think ima go n do it right now
[05:00] <danko123456> glick, 30 minuts.
[05:00] <appleworkitbaby> yes...
[05:00] <appleworkitbaby> I coudn't find anything..
[05:00] <glick> danko123456, damn that long?
[05:00] <Unintentional> crimsun: I've tested an mpg.  the audio plays, the video doesn't.  on a DVD, it freezes up altogether.
[05:00] <crimsun> glick: there are a number of factors, namely Internet connection speed, computer speed, etc.
[05:00] <IIIEars_> glick - about 30 mins
[05:00] <appleworkitbaby> I don't mind manually booting...by going through OpenFirmware..
[05:01] <glick> danko123456, what is the expert install method?
[05:01] <appleworkitbaby> but...I don't know exactly how to...
[05:01] <appleworkitbaby> :D
[05:01] <appleworkitbaby> so, if you could explain that..
[05:01] <crimsun> Unintentional: did you follow the directions on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats ?
[05:01] <danko123456> can you google again? it is supposed to have a small partition at the front of the hard drive to be able to install the yaboot, it is supposed to be new world fs.
[05:01] <appleworkitbaby> it would be fine...
[05:01] <glick> does that allow me to choose a different desktop?
[05:01] <glick> or minimal install or pick and choose what i want on there?
[05:01] <Varanger> I am using Ubuntu Hoary and I can't make my i915 card work
[05:01] <Varanger> does anyone have it ?
[05:01] <danko123456> appleworkitbaby: I havent done it in long, I dont know if I could tell you the proper procedure.
[05:01] <IIIEars_> 2.8g 750mgs ram - watch out for the gub loader gotcha it doesn't work correctly for anything but a single linux OS install.
[05:02] <appleworkitbaby> I have a partition for Bootloader..
[05:02] <xyzx> danko123456,  got this message gzip: stdin: not in gzip format,  tar: Child returned status 1
[05:02] <appleworkitbaby> thats why I couldn't figure out why it wasn't installing
[05:02] <danko123456> paste, please onto pastebin.
[05:02] <djgomez33> carthik: yes it was, i have that windo up, i just wanted to make sure I was on the same page, thats how I knew they were active, under what tab will it sho the available networks
[05:02] <glick> does the advanced setup give me more flexibility?
[05:02] <iceman> tritium glad you understand that ...
[05:02] <danko123456> xyzx: you need the .tar.gz file in the folder, thats it.
[05:02] <glick> cause i dont want/need everything installed
[05:02] <appleworkitbaby> it simply won't install..
[05:02] <tritium> iceman, it's failing to read your monitor's specs correctly (see lines 365-367).  You'll need to specify them explicitly.
[05:03] <inva|id> how do i kill esd
[05:03] <danko123456> xyzx: there is a no-ip client in apt-get.
[05:03] <crimsun> inva|id: pkill esd
[05:03] <tritium> pkill esd, inva|id
[05:03] <tritium> heh
[05:03] <inva|id> ty
[05:03] <IIIEars_> glick - "expert" - scarey you will need a lot of linux knowledge to describe the proper modules to load.
[05:03] <xyzx> danko123456, can I apt-get it you mean?
[05:03] <iceman> tritum line 366 thats my monitor ...
[05:03] <usaf_sp> Does anyone know why totem will not play a dvd under ubuntu?
[05:04] <tritium> iceman, yep - see that the EDID read failed?
[05:04] <danko123456> xyzx: let me find it.
[05:04] <iceman> yea ... how to fix ?
[05:04] <xyzx> danko123456, appreciate it
[05:04] <iceman> tritium how to fix ?
[05:04] <tritium> iceman, I sent you a URL...
[05:04] <iceman> bookmarked ...
[05:04] <djgomez33> carthik: yes it was, i have that windo up, i just wanted to make sure I was on the same page, thats how I knew they were active, under what tab will it sho the available networks
[05:04] <carthik> djgomez33, select the wireless interface, and then click on the "Properties" button
[05:04] <danko123456> xyzx: sudo apt-get install no-ip :)
[05:04] <iceman> tritium i'll run the config again
[05:04] <tritium> iceman, you'll need to explicitly list your HorizSync and VertRefresh
[05:05] <iceman> brb
[05:05] <carthik> djgomez33, then you should see the ESSID dropdown menu
[05:05] <tritium> iceman, hold on
[05:05] <MistaED> does anyone know of a good free virus scanner for linux? to detect windows viruses....
[05:05] <Varanger> MistaED: clamav
[05:05] <MistaED> thanks
[05:05] <IIIEars_> MistaED, clam av or fprot.
[05:05] <djgomez33> carthik: I do, and apparently its no recognizing my router then
[05:05] <terje> anyone have any experience watching video in ascii mode with VideoLan?
[05:06] <danko123456> xyzx: here is a intro to compiling from source: http://pastebin.com/290509 .
[05:06] <i3dmaste1> anyone using 2.6.12 kernel image? any suggestion on that? Im wondering if I need to upgrade
[05:06] <crimsun> the 2.6.12 in breezy/universe works fine
[05:07] <i3dmaste1> crimsun: ok great! Thanks
[05:07] <crimsun> (do not upgrade if you aren't ready for headaches!)
[05:07] <crimsun> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[05:07] <danko123456> :)
[05:07] <IIIEars_> underlined - lol
[05:07] <i3dmaste1> crimsun: I've had so much on 2.6.10-5
[05:07] <Unintentional> crimsun: thanks a bunch.
[05:07] <i3dmaste1> crimsun: I cannot even bootup
[05:07] <xyzx> danko123456, Got this message now http://pastebin.com/290512
[05:07] <crimsun> Unintentional: got it going?
[05:08] <Unintentional> a lot closer too, certainly.  I need to configure some stuff, but I think I know what to do from here.
[05:08] <djgomez33> carthik: think i am getting somewhere, tried powering off my router, now i see options
[05:08] <appleworkitbaby> it's probably best to install Ubuntu on the Main HD, and Mac OS X on the external..
[05:08] <appleworkitbaby> :(
[05:08] <danko123456> xyzx, paste your sources.list.
[05:08] <r0d> is their a "windows washer" type program for linux? something that deletes files in DoD standard?
[05:09] <tritium> r0d, perhaps wipe
[05:09] <iratsu> how do different filesystems compare nowadays?
[05:09] <xyzx> danko123456, in which dir was source list?
[05:09] <danko123456> xyzx: /etc/apt
[05:09] <r0d> tritium,  that just wipes slack space right?
[05:10] <appleworkitbaby> why, when attempting to install Kubuntu, or Ubuntu 5.04, do I get a mutliseat error?
[05:10] <appleworkitbaby> multiseat
[05:10] <tritium> r0d, I don't think so.  see apt-cache show wipe
[05:10] <djgomez33> carthik: how can i get it to find the IP automatically?
[05:10] <danko123456> why is my music still not playing:-p
[05:10] <xyzx> danko123456, http://pastebin.com/290513
[05:10] <danko123456> xyzx: did you get the pastebin for compiling from source?
[05:10] <IIIEars_> If i don't get some help with grub i am going to use NTLOADER (Microsoft - ew) to boot Ubuntu. - Please keep good hardware from going bad.
[05:10] <thechitowncubs> What can I use to create a .html of my Music Library so people can view my collection?
[05:11] <iceman> well that sucks
[05:11] <tritium> thechitowncubs, have you tried gnump3d?
[05:11] <danko123456> xyzx: comment out the debian, uncomment universe.
[05:11] <xyzx> danko123456, OK
[05:11] <thechitowncubs> Never heard of it
[05:11] <iceman> tritium well that did not seem to work
[05:11] <danko123456> and, stop using php highlighting:-p
[05:11] <thechitowncubs> ill give it a search
[05:11] <tritium> iceman, you specified HorizSync and VertRefresh?
[05:11] <danko123456> I want music...:)
[05:12] <danko123456> not that anything can be done...
[05:12] <iceman> sec ..
[05:12] <IIIEars_> I'll do it i swear i will.. - Don't make me. - grin
[05:12] <djgomez33> carthik: how can i get it to find the IP automatically?
[05:12] <dcraven> IIIEars_: You wouldn't.
[05:12] <iceman> tritium where that config file located ...
[05:12] <Amaranth> smeg is really quick now :)
[05:12] <IIIEars_> I am a desperate man. no telling how far i will go to get my Ubuntu fix.
[05:12] <carthik> djgomez33, IP?
[05:13] <carthik> djgomez33, use dhcp
[05:13] <Amaranth> just have to wait for the pyxdg dev to wake up, accept my patch, and release the new version before i can release it :)
[05:13] <tritium> iceman, /etc/X11/xorg.conf (it's listed i the URL I sent you)
[05:13] <carthik> djgomez33, from among the options, that is
[05:13] <danko123456> IIIEars_: :) hey, um...what are you doing, tho, I still dont nknow.
[05:13] <danko123456> is ubuntu installed?
[05:13] <thechitowncubs> tritium: that looks neat, I was looking of more of a .html playlist or something where people could just scroll through
[05:13] <iceman> tritium one i loaded and pasted
[05:13] <tritium> iceman, no, that was /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:13] <iceman> i ran the config file in the url
[05:13] <tritium> thechitowncubs, oh, okay
[05:14] <IIIEars_> I would like to use my larger 120g drive 2 hdb for Ubuntu (entire) and drive one hda for windows.
[05:14] <thechitowncubs> Any ideas?
[05:14] <danko123456> Crimsun, last night you told me to kill esd, will sudo killall esd do the trick, I cant remember if I killed it in another way, my OSS application cant open sound device.
[05:14] <crimsun> danko123456: no need for sudo
[05:14] <djgomez33> carthik: what is the differenc between eth1 and wif0
[05:15] <danko123456> crimsun: ok, great, but still, it is killed, and yet, the OSS app cant open s. device, and I did check if anything was using it, and nothing is.
[05:15] <ChinaCatJones> under multimedia systems selector what setting should I be using?  OSS. ALSA, Artsd ESD?
[05:15] <tritium> iceman, look up your monitor specs, edit the config file accordingly, and restart kdm
[05:15] <IIIEars_> grub-install root_device=hda another_command=? some_other_stuff=?
[05:15] <tritium> ChinaCatJones, esd
[05:15] <crimsun> danko123456: lsmod|grep ^snd_pcm_oss
[05:16] <iceman> tritium whats the pastbin link .. i need to bookmark it ...
[05:16] <nalioth> later, y'all
[05:16] <danko123456> sh
[05:16] <danko123456> ah] 
[05:16] <xyzx> danko123456, does my sources.list look ok now before I install anything? http://pastebin.com/290517
[05:16] <IIIEars_> Take care nalioth :)
[05:16] <tritium> iceman, pastebin.com
[05:16] <ells> tritium: Mike, what is up
[05:16] <tritium> ells, hi Steve.  what's new?
[05:16] <ChinaCatJones> cool, my sound got all funkied up by the microphone in a webcam
[05:16] <danko123456> snd_pcm_oss            47652  0 is what I get:)
[05:16] <ells> not alot, just doing job searching
[05:17] <danko123456> yeah, looks ok for now...
[05:17] <danko123456> xyzx: ^
[05:17] <iceman> file looks ok ... i believe the problem is with kde ...
[05:17] <ells> tritium: I got an offer to teach at the school hourse
[05:17] <ells> house
[05:17] <tritium> ells, I wish the best for you.  I take it you did not hear good news from T?
[05:17] <iceman> tritium ... http://pastebin.com/290518
[05:17] <tritium> ells, congratulations
[05:18] <tritium> iceman, is there something new there?
[05:18] <danko123456> crimsun: snd_pcm_oss            47652  0 is what I get :)
[05:18] <geneo93> Iceman in kde control center you can change res
[05:18] <crimsun> danko123456: what app are you attempting to use?
[05:18] <MistaED> oh, captive-ntfs is incompatible with amd64 even with chroot? :(
[05:18] <iceman> tritium yea ... new one
[05:19] <iceman> gene093 only lets me chose 320 or 640 ... nothing higher
[05:19] <tritium> iceman, what did you change?  It's still not detecting your monitor's rates.  Did you specify them?
[05:19] <danko123456> something that worked fine last night, after you told me to kill esd. It is a dj mixing tool, something for playing music...
[05:19] <danko123456> I liek a song, that is too fast, so I have to slow it down.
[05:19] <geneo93> hmmm
[05:19] <xyzx> danko123456, I changed the sources.list I wonder if it is ok? what do you think? http://pastebin.com/290517
[05:19] <_kevin> i need ices2 2.0.1 but when i do apt-get install ices2 it installs 2.0.0
[05:19] <danko123456> yup, it is fine, I told you.
[05:19] <crimsun> _kevin: why do you need 2.0.1?
[05:19] <iceman> tritium shoot ... what lines you see it not detecting them in
[05:20] <tritium> iceman, 372-374
[05:20] <danko123456> crimsun: something that worked fine last night, after you told me to kill esd. It is a dj mixing tool, something for playing music... I liek a song, that is too fast, so I have to slow it down.:)
[05:20] <djgomez33> carthik: ok now this is starting to frustrate the heck out of me, i disabled my encryption, broadcasted my ssid, and it still won't find a website, could there be another problem
[05:20] <tritium> iceman, please paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:20] <danko123456> sorry about the repeats, just not sure if you saw it, cause I forgot the nick.
[05:20] <crimsun> danko123456: does it work with the alsa wrapper?
[05:20] <iceman> tritium humm ill try to run the config again .. i specified everything ..
[05:20] <_kevin> i need it casue the guy who made it told me i need it
[05:20] <crimsun> (aoss nameofapp&)
[05:21] <_kevin> he's helping me set up
[05:21] <danko123456> I dont know:) It worked last night, for some reason, maybe I did something...Ill try that right now.
[05:21] <tritium> iceman, no, you have to edit the file and specify specific HorizSync and VertRefresh
[05:21] <crimsun> _kevin: "made it"?
[05:21] <_kevin> ye
[05:21] <_kevin> KarlH
[05:21] <carthik> djgomez33, nothing I can think of really
[05:21] <crimsun> _kevin: both of those packages are in universe
[05:21] <carthik> djgomez33, have you selected the right essid?
[05:21] <crimsun> _kevin: use the universe versions
[05:21] <_kevin> how do i do that in the termial?
[05:21] <danko123456> dbernar1@veliki:~ $ (aoss mixxx&)    \n   bash: aoss: command not found
[05:21] <darGor> what's aptitude?
[05:21] <crimsun> _kevin: aptitude install icecast2 ices2
[05:22] <crimsun> danko123456: aptitude install alsa-oss
[05:22] <danko123456> xyzx: hope you got the message that it looks ok:)
[05:22] <djgomez33> carthik: yeah its even automatically doing it for me when I plug my card in, i set all the fields empty and unchecked device configured, it automatically finds my router but still won't let me view a web page
[05:22] <crimsun> darGor: apt-cache show aptitude (don't flood)
[05:22] <xyzx> danko123456, :) thanks
[05:22] <_kevin> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[05:22] <_kevin> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[05:23] <crimsun> _kevin: use sudo
[05:23] <danko123456> welcome. let me know once it is installed, and that.
[05:23] <_kevin> i did and it's still 2.0.0
[05:23] <danko123456> :) I got same error, but it is descriptive ienough.
[05:23] <darGor> crimsun: thanks. so, aptitude is a graphically apt. right?
[05:23] <tritium> iceman, ?
[05:24] <iceman> tritium yea
[05:24] <tritium> iceman, did you do as I suggested?
[05:24] <_kevin> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/i/ices2/
[05:24] <danko123456> crimsun: ok, aoss that, gave me same error when I opened program...what could I have messed up in the meantime that it worked before, and now does not?
[05:24] <_kevin> i need to add that
[05:24] <iceman> tritium which suggestion ?
[05:24] <_kevin> ?
[05:25] <tritium> iceman, you're kidding, right?
[05:25] <crimsun> danko123456: paste all the output onto pastebin
[05:25] <iceman> tritium running the config file again .. cant read both screens .. sorrt
[05:25] <crimsun> darGor: it's just another frontend
[05:25] <danko123456> well, there is not much, but Ill get all there is.
[05:25] <rg58sma> ls
[05:26] <rg58sma> I need help
[05:26] <tritium> iceman, no, that's not what I suggested.  Please read the scrollback
[05:26] <rg58sma> with
[05:26] <rg58sma> amule
[05:26] <iceman> tritium what to add to the line to set it correctly ..
[05:26] <rg58sma> plz someone help mne
[05:27] <tritium> iceman, do you know your monitor's specs?
[05:27] <iceman> not right off ... but 85 mhz should run fine
[05:28] <tritium> rg58sma, does amule have a channel?
[05:28] <danko123456> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/290520
[05:28] <flava> hola
[05:28] <danko123456> ola
[05:28] <iceman> tritium what file do i edit ?
[05:28] <tritium> iceman, yikes!  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:28] <flava> hola
[05:29] <iceman> tritium xorg.conf ... ok
[05:29] <_kevin> so any one can help me
[05:29] <rg58sma> no isnt amule problem
[05:29] <danko123456> benplaut: haha...
[05:29] <rg58sma> the problem
[05:29] <rg58sma> is
[05:29] <runelind> when I put in my dvd-rom into my laptop while the OS is running, it doesn't pick up the device, is there a way to rescan the removable devices?
[05:29] <_kevin>  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/i/ices2/ices2_2.0.1-1_i386.deb
[05:29] <rg58sma> wxwidget
[05:29] <rg58sma> problem
[05:29] <_kevin> i need ices2 2.0.1
[05:29] <djgomez33> carthik: ok i reset my laptop, now when it comes up it shows the connection at the top right of the desktop
[05:29] <runelind> this is in kubuntu
[05:29] <tritium> _kevin, rather than download the file manually, make sure you have universe in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:30] <djgomez33> carthik: however it is not letting me view webpages and it isn't showing any packets sent or recieved?
[05:30] <carthik> djgomez33, so is it working now?
[05:30] <_kevin> i do gedit /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[05:30] <carthik> djgomez33, that is bad configuration! does sudo iwconfig say anything silly?
[05:30] <iceman> tritium i'll past the xorg.conf in pastbin .. im lost
[05:30] <tritium> iceman, ok
[05:30] <nickrud> luckily, i have a cat
[05:31] <rg58sma> wxwidget
[05:31] <danko123456> :)_
[05:31] <danko123456> jj, I wish I had a cat.
[05:31] <djgomez33> carthik: not that i can see
[05:31] <_kevin> it's read only
[05:31] <runelind> so is there a way to rescan the removable devices?
[05:32] <rg58sma> helpme pleaze
[05:32] <geneo93> Section "Monitor" Iceman
[05:32] <danko123456> runelind: you can also try #kubuntu if noone here knows.
[05:32] <runelind> danko123456: I'll try that, thanks
[05:32] <geneo93> HorizSync 30-72  VertRefresh 50-160
[05:32] <danko123456> state your iussue, rg58sma otherwise noone will help you.
[05:33] <geneo93> 
[05:33] <danko123456> benplaut: abstard, you ate?
[05:33] <iceman> tritium http://pastebin.com/290521 dont see much ..
[05:33] <tritium> iceman, you didn't specify HorizSync and VertRefresh
[05:34] <iceman> tritium does not give me a choice to specify anything ...
[05:34] <xyzx> danko123456, I can not find the conf file of no-ip
[05:34] <rg58sma> ok
[05:34] <rg58sma> fuck
[05:34] <xyzx> danko123456, Starting dynamic address update: Can't locate configuration file /etc/no-ip.conf. (Try -c). Ending!
[05:34] <danko123456> is that after you install it?
[05:34] <iceman> tritium can it be installed in a text editor ?
[05:34] <xyzx> danko123456, yeap
[05:34] <danko123456> :) youre on your own, I dont know what to do, read the docs on no-ip.
[05:34] <tritium> iceman, you edit the file (see the URL I gave you)
[05:35] <xyzx> danko123456, :) ok, you.ve great help thanks
[05:35] <iceman> tritium http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto that link
[05:35] <danko123456> :) ypuire welcome, did you get the source compilation thing on pastebin?
[05:36] <danko123456> he didnt get my post I think
[05:36] <carthik> djgomez33, I'm sorry, but there isn't much I can do to help you from afar!
[05:36] <danko123456> become root on his comp and set it up...
[05:36] <danko123456> :)
[05:37] <danko123456> I had a guy allow me root access just to install java:-/
[05:37] <geneo93> thats relly stupid
[05:37] <danko123456> he got a rpm, then aliened it...
[05:37] <danko123456> and all ebcause of pool on yahoo games:)
[05:37] <danko123456> thats what he wanted java for
[05:38] <danko123456> make your mind up...
[05:38] <djgomez33> anyone have any idea why my browser won't find any pages even though I am connected and packets are being sent and recieved?
[05:38] <danko123456> yes
[05:38] <danko123456> I am a internet trioubleshooting expert:)
[05:38] <danko123456> jj, I work for Comcast tech support.
[05:38] <djgomez33> excelent
[05:39] <danko123456> so, it comes out to the same thing;) (the ;) is for all the COmcast users here...)
[05:39] <iceman> tritium think i got it
[05:39] <djgomez33> i have been trying to configure my wireless for the last hour, and i have resorted to trying to just get my ethernet working
[05:39] <danko123456> yay
[05:39] <tritium> iceman, ok
[05:39] <danko123456> k, that is a good idea
[05:39] <iceman> there a fast way to load that besides reboot
[05:39] <danko123456> djgomez33: was it the i915?
[05:39] <psychonate> Anyone familiar with the CTRL+SHIFT+3NUM characters?
[05:39] <psychonate> Is there like a chart for those?
[05:39] <danko123456> iceman, restart x?
[05:39] <djgomez33> danko: not sure of what your refering to?
[05:40] <danko123456> ok, thats not yuor wireless then./
[05:40] <tritium> danko123456, I hope you used make-jpkg to build a .deb for him :)
[05:40] <psychonate> I need to use some spanish accents for a paper, and I don't want to have to use the insert symbol everytime in my word processor
[05:40] <danko123456> pm for a sec, dj...
[05:40] <geneo93> Iceman ctrl alt backspace
[05:40] <danko123456> tritium: :) i didnt, I didnt even use java-package:(
[05:40] <danko123456> I just did a normal isntall
[05:40] <djgomez33> danko: the connection i have is called lo and it is sending and receiving
[05:40] <danko123456> like a totally standard, install of java onto unix.
[05:41] <tritium> danko123456, :(  (btw, make-jpkg is provided in java-package)
[05:41] <danko123456> *nix, to be PC
[05:41] <Rob2687> lo is the local connection
[05:41] <danko123456> tritium, I should learn the java-package way:)
[05:41] <tritium> danko123456, at least you helped him out :)
[05:41] <djgomez33> danko: yes, i am connected through a local connection to my router, however i can not view any web pages
[05:42] <danko123456> well, at least I didnt erase his hard dtrive,...:))
[05:42] <danko123456> that was the start case, I geuss,.
[05:42] <danko123456> Then other follow...
[05:42] <nickrud> danko123456, I'm interested, jpkg is pretty useful
[05:42] <danko123456> nickrud: what:)
[05:42] <danko123456> in waht, i gues..
[05:43] <danko123456> sorry for tyos, I cant type.
[05:43] <nickrud> java, I guess
[05:43] <djgomez33> danko123456: so if I am connected to the local connection, what is mozilla not finding any web pages
[05:43] <danko123456> so...I dont get your message from this:  I'm interested, jpkg is pretty useful"
[05:43] <nickrud> danko123456, nm, I scrolled bery baddly
[05:43] <danko123456> ah...
[05:43] <danko123456> kk
[05:43] <danko123456> pm, dj
[05:43] <danko123456> for a sec
[05:44] <danko123456> so I can stop flooding ehre:)
[05:44] <xb> ah ha.  i am proxy enabled.
[05:44] <crimsun> danko123456: lsmod|grep ^snd_seq
[05:45] <iceman> tritium awsom .. manualy changed the file ... upped the range it offered from 75 to 85 and it worked ... thanks .. millions
[05:45] <danko123456> crimsun: :) I did:) showed you:)
[05:45] <danko123456> omg...
[05:45] <tritium> iceman, you're welcome :)
[05:45] <iceman> is superkaramba avaible from aptitude ?
[05:45] <psychonate> Can anyone tell me how to easily insert accents when typing?
[05:45] <dub2> Hi - I installed privoxy; where do I put the sudo /etc/init.d/privoxy start... ie, what's the equivalent of autoexec.bat?
[05:46] <danko123456> Iceman: excellent, as they say...
[05:46] <crimsun> danko123456: hmm, where?
[05:46] <danko123456> k, sorry
[05:46] <tritium> dub2, that will be run on every boot.  You don't need to add it to another init script
[05:46] <danko123456> now nothing
[05:46] <danko123456> there was something
[05:47] <crimsun> ok, I may need more info if this doesn't work: sudo modprobe snd-seq && sudo modprobe snd-seq-oss
[05:47] <dub2> ok I'll reboot to verify
[05:47] <iceman> looks like superkaramba is not available ..
[05:47] <iceman> not with apitute
[05:48] <IcemanV9> iceman: write it down for next time (if ever to rebuild the box :)
[05:48] <danko123456> crimsun: if you really want to fix it, thanks a lot, if not, I could try something simpler if it is complicated to figure out...
[05:48] <iceman> true ..
[05:48] <danko123456> ?
[05:48] <nickrud> iceman, in synaptic, press control f, you can search there
[05:48] <tritium> iceman, it's in universe
[05:49] <IcemanV9> iceman: believe me .. i took a lot of notes when i first started learning about unix .. it helped me a lot when i rebuild the box
[05:49] <danko123456> crimsun: I wanted to play music, thats all, Ill play it at the speed the guy sings for now, I guess:)
[05:49] <IcemanV9> iceman: anyway, enjoy your new resolution!
[05:49] <crimsun> danko123456: did you try what I suggested?
[05:49] <iceman> looking for synaptic ... ?
[05:50] <nickrud> heh
[05:50] <iceman> package manager ?
[05:50] <tritium> iceman, do you have universe repositories enabled?
[05:50] <danko123456> interestingly enough, it did not work:)
[05:50] <IcemanV9> iceman: are u using kde? then look for kynaptic
[05:50] <danko123456> hm...
[05:50] <danko123456> I figured out after I read it to the end that it would work..and nothing:)
[05:50] <tritium> apt-cache policy superkaramba should indicate that it's in universe, iceman.  If not, you need to enabled universe in /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:52] <iceman> found synaptic ... lol ..
[05:53] <benplaut> ^^  :rollesayes:
[05:53] <crimsun> danko123456: did you install the binary via the perl script?
[05:53] <crimsun> danko123456: or did you compile it?
[05:54] <iceman> running updates now to start ...
[05:54] <danko123456> crimsun: it was working 3 hours ago.
[05:54] <rg58sma> gtk is Gimp  Tool Kit??
[05:54] <crimsun> danko123456: did you compile it?
[05:54] <danko123456> rebooted,...I always dfo a million things between treboots, and could not tell you what could have broken it...too many things.
[05:55] <tritium> rg58sma, yes
[05:55] <rg58sma> ok thanks
[05:55] <danko123456> crimsun: which, sorry, I missed it.
[05:55] <phoenixp3k> Hi, got a question about "sessions"
[05:55] <crimsun> danko123456: mixxx
[05:55] <danko123456> I prolly recompiled my kernel and never noticed...prolly a installer file.
[05:55] <danko123456> is there a apt-get one?
[05:55] <danko123456> :)
[05:55] <crimsun> not afaik
[05:56] <crimsun> by default only oss is enabled for Linux
[05:56] <danko123456> is there any other like that eat one?
[05:56] <Peps> When I installed kubuntu, not too long ago - when I inserted a cd-rom an icon would popup on the desktop. After a kde update this nice functionality is gone. Anyone knows why?
[05:56] <rg58sma> checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.0.0... no
[05:56] <danko123456> eat:)
[05:56] <rg58sma> ???
[05:56] <phoenixp3k> Is there a way to maintain a user logged in while an other uses his account "Windows XP" style
[05:56] <crimsun> you have to compile in alsa and/or jack support
[05:56] <rg58sma> how to solution this problem??
[05:56] <danko123456> I guess.
[05:56] <danko123456> but it worked 3 hours ago.
[05:56] <danko123456> damn thing.
[05:56] <danko123456> Ill se.
[05:56] <crimsun> danko123456: try nuking ~/.mixxx ( or whatever its config dir is )
[05:57] <eonia> _kevin, still here?
[05:57] <tritium> phoenixp3k, yes, Applications->System Tools->New Login, and then you can fast-switch with Ctrl-Alt-F7 and F8
[05:57] <danko123456> crimsun: Ill nuke it:)
[05:57] <phoenixp3k> tritium, thanks I'll look at it
[05:57] <tritium> phoenixp3k, cool, and there should be a fast-user-switch applet in breezy to make it even easier
[05:58] <rg58sma> checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.0.0... no
[05:58] <rg58sma> *** Could not run GTK+ test program, checking why...
[05:58] <dicrapio> new to ubuntu, well kubuntu, but wanted to know, all was well for a few days but now i dont have admin privileges with normal user. any thoughts?
[05:58] <rg58sma> *** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the
[05:58] <rg58sma> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GTK+ is incorrectly installed.
[05:58] <rg58sma> configure: error:
[05:58] <rg58sma> The development files for GTK+ were not found. For GTK+ 2, please
[05:58] <phoenixp3k> tritium, breezy?
[05:58] <rg58sma> ensure that pkg-config is in the path and that gtk+-2.0.pc is
[05:58] <rg58sma> installed. For GTK+ 1.2 please check that gtk-config is in the path,
[05:58] <danko123456> yay:)
[05:58] <rg58sma> and that the version is 1.2.3 or above. Also check that the
[05:58] <rg58sma> libraries returned by 'pkg-config gtk+-2.0 --libs' or 'gtk-config
[05:58] <rg58sma> --libs' are in the LD_LIBRARY_PATH or equivalent.
[05:58] <danko123456> man, you rule:)
[05:58] <tritium> rg58sma, sounds like you didn't install libgtk2.0-dev
[05:58] <rg58sma> how to install this??
[05:59] <tritium> rg58sma, with synaptic, aptitude, or apt-get
[05:59] <phoenixp3k> An other question
[05:59] <danko123456> rg58sma: try putting it onto http://pastebin.com too, its easier to read..
[05:59] <phoenixp3k> is there a way to set a user without a password
[05:59] <rg58sma> apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
[05:59] <rg58sma> ok I'm sorry
[06:00] <eonia> _kevin, hopefully you're still alive and will get this later. In regards to your earlier questions about NTFS, you need to use the wrapper over ntfs.sys (windows file) for full support. It's called Captive; check out this URL http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[06:00] <danko123456> Im sorry too:)
[06:00] <tritium> good night, crimsun
[06:00] <danko123456> mixxx works....:)
[06:00] <crimsun> night tritium
[06:00] <iceman> well how to turm on additional respositories  ..
[06:01] <danko123456> phoenix_atlantis: come on...
[06:01] <iceman> dang ...
[06:01] <danko123456> good luck with that phoenix...
[06:01] <danko123456> :)
[06:01] <danko123456> set a user without a password...
[06:01] <IcemanV9> iceman: settings > respositories
[06:02] <rg58sma> thanks
[06:02] <Peps> ANyone has an idea?
[06:02] <jevidl> has anyone gotten RealPlayer 10 working?
[06:03] <danko123456> peps, still using kde?
[06:03] <Peps> yes
[06:03] <danko123456> jevidl: yeah, I did on windows.
[06:03] <iceman> whats the current version of kde on ubuntu ?
[06:03] <jevidl> danko123456: on ubuntu perhaps?
[06:03] <Peps> 3.4.0
[06:03] <danko123456> peps, you can also try #kubuntu...but, in gnome, there is a configuration for the nautilus, teh desktop program...
[06:03] <iceman> ty
[06:04] <danko123456> jevidl: serious?
[06:04] <jevidl> danko123456: yeah.
[06:04] <Peps> I just wonder why an upfate would kill it. Also my trash Icon is gone. Maybe other stuff as well
[06:04] <jevidl> danko123456: I got it installed with the binary, but for some reason when I try to launch it's not quite getting to a GUI
[06:05] <danko123456> jevidl: why this again?
[06:05] <danko123456> like, why are you installing that?
[06:05] <jevidl> danko123456: there's a better solution for playing realmedia content?
[06:05] <danko123456> well, his desktop was not displaying icons./
[06:05] <psychonate> Does anyone know how to use dead keys?
[06:06] <danko123456> jevidl: yeah... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:06] <rg58sma> how to use Evolution with Hotmail
[06:06] <danko123456> jevidl: I use xine-ui
[06:06] <Peps> got disconnected. might have missed some replies
[06:06] <jevidl> danko123456: ok
[06:06] <iceman> how to install rpms in ubuntu ?
[06:06] <jevidl> danko123456: I will go check it out
[06:07] <danko123456> Iceman, why?
[06:07] <danko123456> ok, you do that":)
[06:08] <danko123456> realplayer in ubuntu, that has to go into my distro list...
[06:08] <Burgundavia> danko123456, with w32codecs, totem-xine can play realplayer stuff
[06:08] <danko123456> I play it:)
[06:08] <danko123456> along with adobe acrobat, internet explorer through wine, um...vlc,
[06:09] <concept10> ie through wine?
[06:09] <danko123456> what else did I have in my distro?
[06:09] <danko123456> or something, nman
[06:09] <danko123456> totally like that...
[06:09] <danko123456> I am making a distro.
[06:09] <danko123456> bah
[06:09] <concept10> contribute to another distro instead of making one
[06:10] <xb> hm whats this kubuntu i see?
[06:10] <concept10> rg58sma: does hotmail support POP3 or IMAP?
[06:10] <rg58sma> i dont no
[06:10] <rg58sma> know
[06:10] <danko123456> nah, I am making one with realplayer, vlc, adobe acrobat, open office:-p...
[06:11] <danko123456> rg58sma: which file, what are yo installing?
[06:11] <danko123456> you can make debs out of rpms, with alien
[06:11] <IcemanV9> xb: ubuntu with kde (instead of gnome)
[06:11] <xb> lol.  how creative ;)
[06:11] <danko123456> rg58sma: htere is nothing really to use...
[06:11] <concept10> rg58sma: look it up..setting evolution up is similar to setting up outlook...look it up in hotmail help
[06:11] <IIIEars_> danko -YE-ES! ain't it cool
[06:12] <danko123456> I would like to say it is, but my life sucks:)
[06:12] <rg58sma> ok
[06:12] <dicrapio> new to ubuntu, well kubuntu, but wanted to know, all was well for a few days but now i dont have admin privileges with normal user. any thoughts?
[06:12] <IIIEars_> danko - just think how awful it might be... - you could be a windows user. - grin
[06:13] <NicP> thats a good thing dicrapio
[06:13] <dicrapio> :(
[06:14] <xb> dicrapio thats pretty wierd.  almost as weird as not being able to login as root on my box
[06:14] <dicrapio> yup
[06:14] <NicP> was that a joke xb?
[06:14] <dicrapio> the only thing different i did i can think of was deleting those links in media for floppy and cdrom
[06:15] <NicP> ?
[06:15] <xb> nic, about not being able to login as root?  no
[06:15] <NicP> why did u do that
[06:15] <NicP> xb: yes
[06:15] <xb> it was more a misconception tho
[06:15] <NicP> ohh ok
[06:15] <NicP> :P
[06:15] <NicP> so you understand now then?
[06:15] <dicrapio> what was the point, theres the folder for floppy and cdrom right there
[06:16] <NicP> lol
[06:16] <dicrapio> no need for links to them :)
[06:16] <danko123456> IIIEars_: :)
[06:16] <xb> well, i dont know if i understand the concept behind it.  but i can operate with su privs if that's what you mean
[06:16] <dicrapio> i did, but not anymore for some reason
[06:16] <rg58sma> ok
[06:16] <NicP> dicrapio,  right where?
[06:17] <dicrapio> in media
[06:17] <xb> nicp, is it a problem that i can type "su" then a password on this linux distro?
[06:17] <eonia> can someone tell me how to make allow a user to change permissions of the mounted drive (it's currently read only, so chmod 555 as root does *not* work). I edited /etc/fstab and added the following line: /dev/hda1 /localdrive ntfs user 0 0
[06:17] <eonia>     any ideas?
[06:17] <xb> can't i mean
[06:17] <eonia> the ultimate goal is for the user to view the hda1, right now only root can
[06:18] <eonia> make == allow
[06:18] <eonia> and I might add, the addition to fstab didn't help
[06:19] <bystander> eonia:  add for example  uid=1000 gid=1000
[06:19] <bystander> and maybe change user to users
[06:19] <eonia> add uid=1000 to the end?
[06:20] <bystander> in the part where you have "user'
[06:20] <NicP> xb: thats normal, you are supposed to use sudo
[06:20] <MegaManX> Hi there all! I've a question :) Is anybody good with Samba? (not the Brazilian dance, the server and the client)
[06:20] <xb> ok.  momment of doubt :D
[06:20] <NicP> xb: its because root isnt enabled by default, which i'm sure you have learnt already
[06:20] <bystander> eonia: comma separated of course
[06:21] <eonia> bystander: ok, will give it a shot. thanks
[06:21] <xb> ive seen as much :)  i kind of like it.  but i dont know if i see the purpose.  especially typing sudo for some applications require a password, as others do it without.
[06:21] <rg58sma> have a linux distro no free??
[06:21] <xb> im sure this will lead to a security flaw somewhere.. whenever i check into it
[06:22] <NicP> ive never seen an application not want a password for sudo
[06:22] <IIIEars_> Wow! what is Sun port:32773 doing open on my machine?
[06:22] <NicP> unless you have put it in already of course
[06:22] <xb> not even aptitude?
[06:22] <bystander> eonia:  or try for instance /dev/hda1       /windows        ntfs    noauto,ro,users,umask=022 0 0
[06:22] <bystander> assuming you don't want it to mount on boot
[06:23] <NicP> ive never used aptitude
[06:23] <xb> because after closing aptitude, it shouldnt remember my password (unless my logic is off)
[06:23] <eonia> bystander: forgive my ignorance, but ro / umask=022 refers to...?
[06:23] <xb> i need to find where it storing this password.  take care of this lil issue
[06:23] <bystander> read only
[06:23] <NicP> if you close the terminal window it should forget
[06:23] <bystander> bystander: umask 022 translates to read only for group and others
[06:23] <xb> eh?
[06:24] <goldfish> it does?
[06:24] <NicP> i believe you only have to put it in once per terminal window
[06:24] <xb> i kinda would like it to forget before then.  because if it remembers, that means it stored somewhere
[06:24] <goldfish> you put it in once, you dont have to put it in for 5 minutes
[06:24] <goldfish> in THAT terminal
[06:24] <goldfish> afaik
[06:24] <NicP> in ram?
[06:24] <xb> hm.
[06:24] <glick> hi all i just installed  ubuntu
[06:24] <bystander> IIIEars_: probably something to do with rpc (portmapper)
[06:24] <goldfish> hu glick
[06:24] <glick> and i have a couple of Q's
[06:25] <NicP> goldfish, thanks, that sounds right
[06:25] <goldfish> np
[06:25] <IIIEars_> bystander - i gotta stop reading those eeye security links - ;)
[06:25] <glick> how do i make it so that sudo doesnt last for 15 minutes without needing a password
[06:25] <xb> goldfish, do you know where it stores the password?  im going to make sure i cant access it from another added account
[06:25] <danko123456> hey I fixed a guys internet connection:)
[06:25] <Burgundavia> glick, set the timeout to 0
[06:26] <xb> good for you danko :)
[06:26] <IIIEars_> bystander, should'a used a bootable CD for 'em.
[06:26] <glick> Burgundavia, where do i set that?
[06:26] <goldfish> xb: the sudo password?
[06:26] <goldfish> no idea
[06:26] <danko123456> xb, hey thanks.
[06:26] <Burgundavia> glick, google how to do it, in /etc/sudoers
[06:26] <NicP> why does it have to store the password anyway
[06:26] <goldfish> is it on ubuntuguide.org?
[06:27] <NicP> it could just remember that you have entered the password, not the actual password
[06:27] <goldfish> yeah
[06:27] <MegaManX> ok. Here is the situation. I have two Ubuntu boxes, one WinXP and one Xbox on the same network. Ubuntu1 works as ftp server, file server(Samba) and webserver. Ubuntu2 is the computer I use as desktop, WinXP as a gaming crappy machine and Xbox as my media box. I can access all files from my Xbox located on Ubuntu1 and play videos, music, etc. I can also access all files from my Ubuntu1(server) with my Ubuntu2 (desktop), but unlike my Xbo
[06:27] <MegaManX> x, I'm not able to execute them localy. I can't, for example, play an mp3 file from the server with my desktop. Accessing the Windows shares (WinXP) gives the same problem: I can modify any file, copy anything but not play media localy. I can, without a problem, from my Xbox. What should I do?
[06:27] <goldfish> glick: www.ubuntuguide.org , think its on that
[06:27] <xb> nicp, either way it doesnt seem to add up.  im goin to see if i can find a hole.
[06:27] <NicP> lol good luck
[06:27] <goldfish> i dont think u will
[06:27] <danko123456> MegaManX: you are joking?
[06:27] <goldfish> tbh
[06:28] <Peps> There is a new kernel 2.6.10-34.1. ANyone can tell me what it fixes and is it important to upgrade?
[06:28] <MegaManX> too long huh?, sorry :D
[06:28] <danko123456> MegaManX: nice setup, man!
[06:28] <NicP> i doubt it would have been included if it contains a hole, we would still be using su then
[06:28] <danko123456> not long, just sweet setup.
[06:28] <MegaManX> danko123456, thanks mate!. I wish I could get it to work though :)
[06:28] <xb> heh.  go look at any exploit archive.  software released with holes definately isnt intentional.  and not always avoidable.
[06:29] <NicP> dw i know that
[06:29] <NicP> but this definatly dosent scream security flaw to me
[06:29] <MegaManX> I know it should be better to use NFS to share files between Linux boxes, but since Samba works fine from my Xbox, I though it should work fine with Linux. It almost does, I can copy and move files from Ubuntu 1 and Ubuntu 2 through samba, just can't play/execute files from Ubuntu1 (server).
[06:29] <goldfish> go read the sudo threads on ubuntuforums
[06:30] <xb> hm.. it could be because after typing sudo, the program stays running for that long after words?
[06:30] <danko123456> MegaManX: good luck: http://pastebin.com/290540 :)
[06:31] <xb> erk.  nm i need to jus find out instead of guessing randomly :D
[06:31] <bystander> Peps: security fix AFAIK
[06:31] <NicP> i dont understand what you find "not right" about it
[06:31] <Peps> will the update come as another boot option or replace the existing one?
[06:32] <MegaManX> danko123456, Thanks a lot mate for the help mate!. Bookmarked ;)
[06:32] <bystander> Peps: I think replace ( it seems to replace it here)
[06:32] <rg58sma> where found amule
[06:33] <rg58sma> after make install
[06:33] <glick> where is xfce4? apt-cache search xfce4 doesnt yeild anything :(
[06:33] <bystander> Peps: if you have more than one kernel in grub there will be a security update for the oldones as well
[06:33] <goldfish> glick: you need to add the extra repositories
[06:33] <danko123456> MegaManX: is it like, that you just cant play media at all on a computer?
[06:33] <dr_willis> rg58sma,  watch the make install messages   :) provberly /usr/local/bin
[06:33] <goldfish> glick: have a look at the repos section on www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:33] <bystander> glick: universe repo I think
[06:33] <Peps> not too good. I would like to have a fallback option. Is that the default for kernel updates?
[06:35] <Peps> I mean can I specify somewhere to keep the 2.6.10-34 until I know the 34-1 works OK?
[06:35] <dr_willis> glick,  apt-cache search xfce fines a lot of things for me.
[06:35] <dr_willis> I have all the repro's set up :P
[06:35] <bystander> Peps: no, not if it's a major change - normally you would get a new entry
[06:35] <eob84> anyone in here use XFCE
[06:35] <goldfish> i do
[06:35] <bystander> eob84: sometimes
[06:35] <rg58sma> what is the extension of amule executable
[06:35] <eonia> bystander: having issues... going to try resetting. Brb :-)
[06:35] <dr_willis> exeutables in linux dont have extensions.
[06:35] <eob84> bystander, I can't get menuconfig to work
[06:35] <rg58sma> someone have a correct sources.list???? my file is fake???
[06:35] <beginner> hello
[06:36] <eob84> hi
[06:36] <beginner> do i need antivirus for ubuntu?
[06:36] <MegaManX> danko123456, yes, I can, but I have to copy a file from Ubuntu1(server) to my Desktop (Ubuntu2) and run locally with mplayer or xmms.
[06:36] <bystander> beginner: no
[06:36] <goldfish> beginner: not really
[06:36] <beginner> ?
[06:36] <beginner> not really?
[06:36] <goldfish> no
[06:36] <NicP> beginner: no
[06:36] <goldfish> :)
[06:36] <bystander> beginner: viruses for linux are practically non-existent
[06:36] <eonia> lol
[06:37] <beginner> and why some times is moving very very slow?
[06:37] <eonia> which entails that virus scanners are non-existant? (just asking, don't shoot me :)
[06:37] <NicP> eonia, you got it
[06:37] <bystander> beginner: moving? what do you mean?
[06:37] <dr_willis> rg58sma,  ubuntuguide.org shows a sample with all the repositories set up.
[06:37] <glick> hmm i have 1gig ram
[06:37] <MegaManX> danko123456, what I wanted to do is to have all media files at Ubuntu1(server) and be able to play anywhere from my network, without copying the files, kinda like streaming them. Xbox is the one "computer" that can play the files from the server without copying anything, simply streaming :)
[06:37] <glick> but the kern doesnt detect it all
[06:37] <glick> ubuntu have any images for high mem systems?
[06:37] <Burgundavia> eonia, they exist, but they search for windows viruses and the few linux ones that exist (those target old vulns and servers)
[06:38] <psychonate> yays, I think I got it :)
[06:38] <beginner> browsing ethernet....closing aplications...
[06:38] <eob84> how did you get a fake sources.lst?
[06:38] <psychonate> I changed my xkblayout from us to us_intl
[06:38] <MegaManX> I will grab some coffee, brb ;)
[06:38] <eob84> I think AVG is a free virus scanner for linux
[06:38] <psychonate> now, I can type some neato accentos
[06:38] <i3dmaste1> glick: as of 1g mem, you don't need high mem support I think
[06:39] <glick> i3dmaste1, no if you have 1gig and up you need high mem support
[06:39] <rg58sma> libwx_gtk2_xrc-2.6.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:39] <glick> cause my system only sees 3/4ths of a gig of ram
[06:39] <bystander> glick: you need a 686 kernel or equivalent
[06:39] <glick> Linux voyager 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:40] <glick> thats my kernel
[06:40] <bystander> glick: 386v kernels only see 896MB
[06:40] <Peps> I am running on an AMD Athlon XP. I conservativly installed the 386 kernel. Should I go for the 686 one?
[06:40] <danko123456> this guy jjust asked me how he can get an account for IRC to get onto freenode
[06:40] <danko123456> :)
[06:40] <glick> my kernel is a 686 one
[06:40] <goldfish> danko123456: lol
[06:40] <bystander> glick: apt-cache search linux-image and choose a 686 imge to install
[06:40] <goldfish> danko123456: send him to a *nice* url
[06:40] <danko123456> 23:40:03) TallrunningMan: I am trying to figure out how to add IRC ... (23:40:12) CVGDanKo: weird ... (23:40:20) CVGDanKo: go ctrl+a then add then IRC ... (23:40:42) TallrunningMan: i have to get an account
[06:40] <i3dmaste1> glick: not really, but ya 686 support high mem though
[06:41] <bystander> glick >>> 2.6.10-5-386
[06:41] <Peps> should work on the athlon? no problem?
[06:41] <rg58sma> libwx_gtk2_xrc-2.6.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:41] <bystander> you have a 386 kernel
[06:41] <Peps> right now yes an 386
[06:41] <danko123456> (23:41:46) TallrunningMan: you can change your screename at anytime?
[06:41] <i3dmaste1> glick: if you have more than 4G, then definitely you need
[06:41] <goldfish> mmmm
[06:41] <rg58sma> amule: error while loading shared libraries: libwx_gtk2_xrc-2.6.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:42] <goldfish> 4gigs of ram
[06:42] <goldfish> wouldnt mind that
[06:42] <eonia> brb
[06:42] <danko123456> he likes aim:)
[06:42] <Stalagna> alrighty then
[06:42] <i3dmaste1> goldfish: I think that's the limit of 32bit system
[06:43] <bwlang> is nagios the best package for network monitoring - or should i consider others ?
[06:43] <Rameken> Hello?
[06:43] <Cybermagellan> http://hosting.cybermagellan.com
[06:43] <danko123456> Cybermagellan: :)
[06:43] <danko123456> hey, a guy was asking for exactly that today
[06:43] <rg58sma> amule: error while loading shared libraries: libwx_gtk2_xrc-2.6.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:44] <danko123456> rg, can you just apt-get it?
[06:44] <danko123456> please?
[06:44] <dr_willis> rg58sma,  why did you uild it from source? why not just install the packages?
[06:44] <Rameken> I'm new to the whole boot CD thing and I don't know how to boot into the cd I just burned
[06:44] <danko123456> rg, pleae?
[06:44] <dr_willis> Rameken,  well lets hope you burnt it right.
[06:44] <Rameken> yeah
[06:44] <Rameken> I hope I did
[06:44] <dr_willis> Rameken,  how did ya burn it? check it under windows.. see what filkes are on the cd.
[06:44] <danko123456> that one guy never told me how to byurn dvds, he said he would...
[06:45] <Rameken> Nero
[06:45] <dr_willis> Rameken,  if you have some BIG.iso file - you did it wrong :P
[06:45] <Cybermagellan> danko123456: asking for? Hosting?
[06:45] <bystander> Rameken: and be sure your BIOS is set to boot from CD
[06:45] <rg58sma> what??
[06:45] <danko123456> nero, yeah, thats in my distro... yes, Cybermagellan.
[06:45] <dr_willis> i fyou used nero'd burn iso image feature - it should be fine.
[06:45] <i3dmaste1> glick: have you tried other version of kernel?
[06:45] <glick> humm ima have to change that sudo thing
[06:45] <heavy> I deleted the config files for courier-pop and when i reinstall with apt i don't get the config files back, is there a way to retrieve the default config files back?
[06:45] <glick> i3dmaste1, i just installed another kern
[06:45] <dr_willis> rg58sma,  why did you build it from source. when you could of easially used apt-get to install it.
[06:45] <glick> along with proper heades
[06:45] <glick> headers
[06:45] <i3dmaste1> glick:ok..
[06:46] <danko123456> rg58sma: can you sudo apt-get amule , please?
[06:46] <danko123456> not that it works...
[06:46] <danko123456> I use gtk-gnutella, that works.
[06:46] <Rameken> it just says I have ubuntu-5.04-live-i386.iso
[06:46] <rg58sma> i download amule from web site
[06:47] <dr_willis> Rameken,  you have a singel file on the cd thats called ubuntu-5.04-live-i386.iso ?
[06:47] <Rameken> yeah
[06:47] <dr_willis> rg58sma,  there was no need to do that.
[06:47] <Rameken> just that
[06:47] <dr_willis> Rameken,  congrats - you did it wrong :P
[06:47] <Rameken> darn
[06:47] <bystander> Rameken: re-burn ;)
[06:47] <danko123456> rg58sma: can you do what I said, tho?
[06:47] <Rameken> yeah ok
[06:47] <Cybermagellan> danko123456: my friend on Windows as complaining about how difficult it was to setup webhosting on Windows...
[06:47] <bystander> Rameken: as image
[06:47] <Rameken> ah
[06:47] <rg58sma> apt-get install amule download and compile??
[06:47] <dr_willis> areent you GLAD i asked this now :P befor ya spent 2 hrs trying to get it to boot. lol
[06:47] <Rameken> ok
[06:47] <danko123456> well, he can go cmplain however much he wants.
[06:47] <Rameken> I just did the boot cd thing
[06:48] <Rameken> darn nero
[06:48] <dr_willis> Rameken,  or check out "Burn At Once" its a nice program for just burning Iso images.
[06:48] <k4rp0r> could someone tell me where i can get this weather panel for gnome?
[06:48] <danko123456> Cybermagellan: tahts a good bookmark,. the free web hosting.
[06:48] <goldfish> weather?
[06:48] <k4rp0r> yes
[06:48] <glick> ok ima try n reboot
[06:48] <goldfish> k4rp0r: is it gkrellm?
[06:48] <bystander> k4rp0r: it's installed by default
[06:48] <dr_willis> I like tht WeatherFox extension for FIrefox.
[06:48] <goldfish> oh
[06:48] <goldfish> nm
[06:48] <bystander> k4rp0r: just right click the panel and choose it
[06:49] <Cybermagellan> danko123456: yeah...I'm running that....on Ubuntu none-the-less...
[06:49] <danko123456> hard to bookmark, tho:()
[06:49] <danko123456> :)
[06:49] <Cybermagellan> ?
[06:49] <Rameken> so burn disk image rather than bootable disk?
[06:49] <danko123456> rg58sma: sudo apt-get install amule
[06:50] <danko123456> thats it.
[06:50] <danko123456> all there is:)
[06:50] <goldfish> Rameken: yep
[06:50] <danko123456> you just dont kno how to state your issue.
[06:50] <dr_willis> amazeing :P
[06:50] <rg58sma> eit
[06:50] <rg58sma> im root
[06:50] <dr_willis> Rameken,  thats right.
[06:50] <goldfish> lol
[06:50] <goldfish> root on irc.... hmmmmm
[06:50] <dr_willis> Rameken,  bootable disk - you are making your own bootable cd. :P  a feature not a lot of people ever use.
[06:51] <danko123456> :) goldfish
[06:51] <goldfish> :)
[06:51] <danko123456> we saw that combination of letters already:-/
[06:51] <tjs> is CDBS compatible with the ubuntu packaging rules? are there ubuntu packaging rules?
[06:51] <goldfish> quakenet irc servers dont let you connect as root, cool feature
[06:51] <dr_willis> goldfish,  :P
[06:51] <danko123456> werll, needed to run...stupid quake players...
[06:52] <psychonate> hmm, does anyone use the us_intl layout
[06:54] <psychonate> I cannot figure out how to get an upside down question marc or exclamation point
[06:54] <psychonate> s/marc/mark
[06:54] <Rameken> it doesn't want to burn as an image
[06:54] <goldfish> what't it say?
[06:54] <IIIEars_> bystander, should'a used a bootable CD for 'em.goldfish - does that mean their are NO windowsusers there? - j/k
[06:55] <hybrid_goth> if i convert an apple dmg to an iso can i mount it and use it? i am on ppc linux
[06:55] <goldfish> hmmm
[06:55] <goldfish> IIIEars_: lol?
[06:55] <Rameken> I tried to select it as the file to burn but it wouldn't show on the file selector thing
[06:55] <danko123456> means there are none, yeah...
[06:55] <IIIEars_> i can't type - that is a nice feature for IRC quakenet.
[06:55] <goldfish> :)
[06:56] <danko123456> no more...sorry...
[06:56] <danko123456> same thing...my comp works...
[06:56] <goldfish> Rameken: can u click burn?
[06:57] <Rameken> I can't burn it if I can't load it up into nero
[06:57] <goldfish> hmmm
[06:58] <danko123456> hybrid_goth: no...
[06:58] <danko123456> sq...
[06:58] <Rameken> what I did was tell it to make me a bootable disk, why didn't that work
[06:58] <Rameken> ?
[06:58] <dr_willis> Rameken,  go to www.burnatonce.com - get their tool :P then its just a click, and burn :P
[06:58] <goldfish> in nero, u need to burn from disk image
[06:59] <bystander> Rameken: because what you need is the ISO mirrored onto the CD
[06:59] <danko123456> why nero?
[06:59] <Rameken> arg too complicated
[06:59] <bystander> Rameken: the ISO contains the bootloader for ubuntu etc
[06:59] <Rameken> nero because I have it
[07:00] <IcemanV9> hmm. nerolinux is available in deb package.
[07:00] <dr_willis> Rameken,  complecated? its a 1 min download :P
[07:00] <danko123456> rameken, prolly 5 more progs at the tips of ur fingers, 2, especially if you are on ubuntu...
[07:00] <bystander> IcemanV9: why bother?
[07:01] <IcemanV9> i know. ha. just mentioned it.
[07:01] <Rameken> well, what should happen when I boot into it?
[07:01] <Rameken> should it skip DOS completely?
[07:01] <dr_willis> Rameken,  'make a bootable disk' is a TOTALLY different thing from 'burning an iso image'
[07:02] <bystander> Rameken: yes, it will boot into Linux?Ubuntu
[07:02] <Rameken> right
[07:02] <bystander> I mean Linux/Ubuntu
[07:02] <Rameken> well I have much to learn
[07:02] <dr_willis> http://www.wizardskeep.org/mainhall/tutor/neroiso.html
[07:03] <dr_willis> step by step with pictures :P
[07:03] <goldfish> lol
[07:03] <danko123456> how ugly...
[07:03] <danko123456> ugh
[07:03] <danko123456> all greym abd stuff.
[07:03] <goldfish> indeed
[07:03] <goldfish> very ugly :)
[07:03] <dr_willis> its also an older version of nero i think :P
[07:03] <danko123456> ya.
[07:04] <danko123456> like a classic windows,...ugh...
[07:04] <dr_willis> actually nero has like 2 modes ones a 'beginer step by step' mode i recall :P
[07:04] <danko123456> well, bnicer than xp...
[07:04] <Rameken> well see, I did the stuff on that tutorial
[07:04] <Rameken> but it didn't show up in step two
[07:04] <dr_willis> I just alwys use "Burn At Once" for my basic ISO burning needs.
[07:04] <dr_willis> under windows
[07:04] <MegaManX> Hey guys, check out my Ubuntu desktop: http://www.geocities.com/kooltux/snapshots/ubuntu/screenshot.jpg
[07:04] <IIIEars_> surprised nero looks so plain. gnomebaker or k3b may have more features.
[07:05] <goldfish> MegaManX: sweet
[07:05] <dr_willis> IIIEars_,  nero has loads of features. :P  but egads ill never use 90% of them
[07:05] <goldfish> MegaManX: what's that menubar thing along the bottom?
[07:05] <Amaranth> goldfish: gdesklet
[07:05] <goldfish> ah
[07:05] <MegaManX> goldfish, thanks mate :). Took me a while to make that :)
[07:05] <IIIEars_> lol - gotta admit neither will i in k3b or gnomebaker.
[07:06] <goldfish> nice stuff MegaManX
[07:06] <Amaranth> smeg is now loads faster and supports moving things in and out of the debian menu! woo
[07:06] <Amaranth> just have to wait for the pyxdg dev to wake up and take the patch ;)
[07:07] <Madpilot> MegaManX: cool. how do you do the transparent-windows thing?
[07:07] <IIIEars_> Amaranth, Nice work! (proffers a bottle of icy cold champagne.)
[07:07] <Amaranth> danko123456: you actually like Simple?
[07:07] <MegaManX> danko123456, sweet. I saw a IE icon there though :)
[07:07] <Rameken> thanks for the help
[07:07] <Rameken> burning now, and hopefully correctly
[07:08] <MegaManX> Madpilot, if you want to get transparency with Xchat, go into "Settings >> Preferences" and check the tranparency box
[07:08] <IIIEars_> Amaranth - Could you add md5sum to the taskbar? - please.... (begins to sound whiney.)
[07:08] <goldfish> http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~goldfish/Screenshot-3.png
[07:08] <goldfish> that was mine
[07:08] <Amaranth> IIIEars_: I don't know C, can't code applets
[07:08] <Madpilot> MegaManX: Ah, OK, I don't use XChat. was hoping it was a Ubuntu/Gnome-wide thing. thnx
[07:08] <Agrajag> MegaManX: Uh, I think he's talking about real transparency with compose
[07:09] <Rameken> hey, anybody think there's a way to use directx9, or an emulator of such, on linux?
[07:09] <psychonate> um
[07:09] <Agrajag> Madpilot: it's handled by X, not gnome
[07:09] <psychonate> Cedega
[07:09] <Amaranth> goldfish: screwy xfce user
[07:09] <goldfish> :)
[07:09] <drcode> hi all
[07:09] <psychonate> Does Cedega not support DX9?
[07:09] <drcode> I download xpdf
[07:09] <goldfish> hi drcode
[07:09] <Agrajag> Madpilot: read up on the compose extension in xorg
[07:09] <IIIEars_> Okay - i started my first lesson in C last week then i'll do it. (Feb. 2006)
[07:09] <drcode> I want to convert pdftops but use other font then the orginal pdf , any idea?
[07:09] <moqui> what does ubuntu use for package mgmnt?
[07:09] <Amaranth> apt/dpkg
[07:10] <Agrajag> moqui: apt
[07:10] <Amaranth> just like debian
[07:10] <oolong> *8)
[07:10] <goldfish> Madpilot: there's a composite howto on ubuntuforums.org
[07:10] <MegaManX> nice goldfish. Agrajag, I believe goldfish is better with tranparency then me :)
[07:10] <Fass> goldfish, what monitoring applet is that in your screenshot?
[07:10] <Rameken> I was wondering if I could get gentoo to run half life 2
[07:10] <goldfish> Fass: bottom left?
[07:10] <moqui> Agrajag: what are some good repos?
[07:10] <Fass> Yeah'
[07:10] <Agrajag> moqui: uh, the ubuntu ones?
[07:10] <moqui> yes
[07:10] <IIIEars_> What is "Gentoo"? ;)
[07:10] <Madpilot> goldfish, Agrajag: thnx, will look it up. Pretty cool effect!
[07:10] <moqui> Agrajag: yes
[07:11] <goldfish> Fass: torsmo
[07:11] <Agrajag> moqui: yes what
[07:11] <Fass> thanks!
[07:11] <goldfish> np
[07:11] <danko123456> hey, guys, the IE icon is for my dad, he got mad one day cause he could figure out the browser...
[07:11] <moqui> Agrajag: the ubuntu repositories
[07:11] <plonk22> Hi, im having problems loading snd_virmidi at boot, what is the correct way to choose what kernel modules to load under ubuntu 5.04 ?
[07:11] <danko123456> he was double clicking the world for ff, and it opened properties.
[07:11] <Agrajag> moqui: what about them
[07:11] <|7yrItch|> IIIEars_: source-compiled Linux
[07:11] <Rameken> gentoo is that awsome OS I know nothing about beside's the fact that it's highly customisable and a pain to install
[07:11] <IIIEars_> fass - Torsmo is awesomely powerful by just adding scripts to it.
[07:11] <bystander> plonk22: put them in /etc/modules
[07:12] <Agrajag> Rameken: I used it for almost a year, you pretty much summed it up
[07:12] <psychonate> I've asked in like six channels now, and no one seems to know how to get the inverted ! or ? in us_intl
[07:12] <Rameken> heh
[07:12] <Amaranth> highly customized, a pain to install, worthless
[07:12] <psychonate> I'm getting desperate here
[07:12] <moqui> Agrajag: where are the best repos for ubuntu
[07:12] <goldfish> psychonate: open an editor and try every key? :)
[07:12] <Rameken> I heard it was good from a friend who uses it
[07:12] <IIIEars_> "" - Gentoo Ugh
[07:12] <psychonate> goldfish, I'm trying as many combos as I can think of it
[07:12] <Amaranth> compiling with your own flags optimized for your arch is at best going to give you a 1% speed increase and at worse actually make performance worse
[07:12] <Agrajag> moqui: the ubuntu repositories are the best repositories for ubuntu
[07:12] <plonk22> bystander: i tried that but it seemed messy to load all the dependent modules at once, i was trying to modify /etc/modutils but i cant fint any documentation on how to do it
[07:12] <danko123456> Amaranth: are you serious? I love what it looks like...
[07:13] <psychonate> I can get stuff like this: , , , etc.
[07:13] <rg58sma> someone have a correct sources.list????????????
[07:13] <psychonate> But I can't figure these stupid marks out
[07:13] <moqui> Agrajag: ok thanks
[07:13] <dr_willis> rg58sma,  check ubuntuguide.org
[07:13] <glick> hey what happens if i make the sudu timeout 0?
[07:13] <bystander> moqui: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:13] <Amaranth> rg58sma: http://pastebin.com/290397
[07:13] <Amaranth> the sources.list on ubuntuguide.org is crack
[07:13] <rg58sma> whaty
[07:13] <rg58sma> paste
[07:14] <rg58sma> i don paste anything
[07:14] <IIIEars_> danko - Gentoo just doesn't understand the new linux user experience. - they assume too much.
[07:14] <Amaranth> rg58sma: No, I pasted something for you.
[07:14] <dr_willis> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories   - to be exact :P
[07:14] <Amaranth> dr_willis: Total crack.
[07:14] <glick> if i set sudo to timout to 0
[07:14] <Fass> IIIEars: I'm reading its wiki already. ;)
[07:15] <dr_willis> if you say so. I dont think hes been listening much.
[07:15] <Amaranth> dr_willis: Known to break your system.
[07:15] <glick> is that koscher?
[07:15] <IIIEars_> Fas - Best wishes. (really)
[07:15] <danko123456> amaranth, same crap, someone came up with this... http://pastebin.com/290547
[07:15] <chris> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowtohttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:16] <Amaranth> danko123456: They have everything twice and had marillat...sad.
[07:16] <plonk22> is /etc/modutils/alsa-base ment to be user editable?
[07:16] <Amaranth> plonk22: probably not
[07:17] <bystander> plonk22: what's your issue with using /etc/modules? Works perfectly here...
[07:17] <dr_willis> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu     :0 Wooo hoo! more fun to try
[07:18] <plonk22> bystander: do i just add snd_virmidi there, or do i have to add everything that its dependent on as welll, is /modules processed after all the hotplug stuff?
[07:18] <bystander> plonk22: why not try it and see?
[07:18] <danko123456> Amaranth: how, if it is for src the other??
[07:18] <danko123456> its the best one yet.
[07:18] <plonk22> i added it previously, and soundcore did not load
[07:18] <danko123456> anyhow.
[07:19] <Amaranth> danko123456: Oh, I missed that. pastebin is so hard to read.
[07:19] <IIIEars_> Fass - will be back.
[07:19] <plonk22> will try again, maybe i made a typo
[07:19] <rg58sma> i  need the sources in spanish
[07:19] <bystander> plonk22: find out which modules you need, and add them accordingly. Test with modprobe
[07:20] <danko123456> Amaranth: lol...
[07:20] <danko123456> pastebin is hard to read.
[07:20] <danko123456> not lol, I guess, Im too tired.
[07:20] <bystander> plonk22: if modprobe works, AFAIK it should work putting that in /etc/modules
[07:20] <Amaranth> http://rafb.net/paste/ <--much better
[07:21] <plonk22> bystander: thanks, i will try rebooting again, modprobe works fine so i guess i made an error somewhere
[07:21] <evilerdeer> hi all
[07:21] <danko123456> yo, evil...
[07:22] <danko123456> oh, for reading...
[07:22] <danko123456> you can have a raw pasteibn.
[07:22] <evilerdeer> huh
[07:22] <danko123456> or someone else, evil...
[07:22] <danko123456> for
[07:22] <MegaManX> Have to go work, catch you guys later ;)
[07:23] <goldfish> see ya MegaManX
[07:23] <IIIEars_> Take care Mega
[07:23] <rg58sma> how to install jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin
[07:23] <MegaManX> you too :). Thanks for the help. Very friendly chat this one :D
[07:23] <mindmedic> rg58sma, look at the readme on the sun homepage
[07:23] <bystander> rg58sma: read http://ubuntuguide.org
[07:23] <goldfish> rg58sma: sh filename.bin
[07:23] <dr_willis> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
[07:24] <rg58sma> im argentinian
[07:24] <dr_willis> wiki is perferd over ubuntu guide.  (or so im told) :P but i read them both.
[07:25] <Amaranth> the wiki is far more likely to have info in it that won't break your system
[07:25] <cyphase> Take a look at this keyboard: http://www.daskeyboard.com/
[07:25] <Amaranth> and when it does have info that can break your system, it warns you
[07:25] <goldfish> cyphase: LOL.
[07:25] <danko123456> wow
[07:26] <danko123456> awesome
[07:26] <danko123456> ubergeek
[07:26] <cyphase> lol
[07:26] <goldfish> it's like when they had smiley faces and stuff on their keyboards in "Hackers"
[07:26] <goldfish> on their keys i mean
[07:26] <danko123456> a precision tool:)
[07:26] <danko123456> yeah, you can put anything...
[07:26] <danko123456> just like letters you cant rememebr, and stuff.
[07:26] <danko123456> awesome
[07:27] <chris> real geeks use dvorak
[07:27] <goldfish> hah
[07:27] <danko123456> whateva chris...
[07:27] <Echylo> woow
[07:27] <Amaranth> oh, those keyboard are awesome
[07:27] <chris> hehe
[07:27] <danko123456> show us a picture...
[07:27] <goldfish> might try it out
[07:27] <Echylo> kewl keyboard
[07:27] <Amaranth> the keys have different weights
[07:27] <cyphase> yea
[07:28] <Amaranth> so it's the same ammount of force to hit every key, since some fingers are weaker than others
[07:28] <goldfish> danko123456: dvorak layout as opposed to qwerty
[07:28] <cyphase> lol, dvorak sounds russian
[07:28] <Amaranth> dvorak is pretty much useless due to the chicken and egg problem
[07:28] <cyphase> ;)
[07:28] <chris> http://www.atarimagazines.com/v5n11/dvorak2.jpg
[07:28] <Amaranth> no one will use it because no one uses it
[07:28] <xb> lol i saw the daskeyboard the other day its cool if it wasnt priced.  it should cost less
[07:28] <Amaranth> i guess that's more of a catch-22
[07:28] <xb> than one with added letters
[07:28] <chris> and http://www.xprt.net/~chitaree/images/keyboard.jpg
[07:29] <dr_willis> heh - DasKeyboard was about $80 right?
[07:29] <chris> I really wanna start using dvorak
[07:29] <Amaranth> because if you type on dvorak at one place and qwerty at another (home/work, can't change work) you're going to type worse on both
[07:29] <cyphase> dr_willis, yea
[07:29] <chris> I know someppl who can type well on  both
[07:29] <dr_willis> cyphase,  considering getting one. :P but i  got this OLD ibm clicky keyboard i like.
[07:30] <chris> that is "da skills"
[07:30] <Amaranth> they are called masters, most will never join them
[07:30] <chris> hehe
[07:30] <Amaranth> dr_willis: ooh, you have one of the old school IBMs with metal springs?
[07:30] <xb> what a new letter system?
[07:30] <dr_willis> the Happy Hacker Keyboard is nifty also. :P  about the same price
[07:30] <xb> for keyboards
[07:30] <xb> i dont get it..
[07:30] <MattJ> whats a good file system to use that both windows and linux can read/write to -- also has linux support for ntfs gotten better?
[07:30] <xb> im only fluent in qwerty
[07:30] <dr_willis> Amaranth,  several of them I think :P  $2 each at a rummage sale
[07:30] <Amaranth> MattJ: fat32 and no
[07:30] <chris> ext 2/3
[07:30] <dr_willis> Thing weigs about 8 lbs
[07:30] <Amaranth> yeah, but they never break
[07:30] <xb> windows dont read ext 2/3
[07:30] <eonia> bystander: Ok, here's my new line I added in fstab (before I mounted the drive no less): /dev/hda1 /localdrive ntfs users,ro,exec,nosuid,nomand,uid=022,gid=022,umask=022 0 0
[07:30] <Amaranth> unless you try :)
[07:30] <MattJ> Amaranth: whats the hd size limit with fat32 though
[07:31] <eonia> bystander: suffice it to say, it didnt' work
[07:31] <cyphase> chris, |_)@ 5|<||_-/_
[07:31] <Amaranth> MattJ: 2TB?
[07:31] <cyphase> lol
[07:31] <dr_willis> Amaranth,  they are FLITHY however. i spent a day just cleaning one.
[07:31] <chris> http://ubuntuguide.org/#readlinuxpartitionsinwindows
[07:31] <MattJ> Amaranth: i thought windows wouldent read a fat32 drive that is bigger then like 30 gig or something
[07:31] <goldfish> i have a 186gb fat32 drive
[07:31] <bystander> eonia: it would be difficult to imagine getting it *more* wrong
[07:31] <eonia> bystander: rats :) enlighten me?
[07:31] <Amaranth> MattJ: that i don't know about
[07:32] <Amaranth> there is always ntfs captive
[07:32] <chris> :xb they do http://ubuntuguide.org/#readlinuxpartitionsinwindows
[07:32] <dr_willis> fat32 can get over 30gb. i belive MS may of done somthign with it. :P
[07:32] <bystander> eonia: for starters, uid and gid refer to actual user and group numbers, like yours (probably 1000)
[07:32] <dr_willis> i seem to recall researching this once.
[07:32] <MattJ> hrmm
[07:32] <danko123456> eonia: whats that uid?
[07:33] <MattJ> and there is no way to convert a drive from ntfs to fat32 without formatting it right? its just a storage drive no OS on it
[07:33] <bystander> eonia: secondly , most of it is redundant anyway
[07:33] <eonia> bystander: ah, I thought it referred to something entirely different. Therefore remove the uid/gid clause?
[07:33] <goldfish> eonia: you need the -t option before ntfs, no ?
[07:33] <plonk22> bystander: thanks for that, all the modules are loaded properly, but now my alsa does not work, dmix dies if I put snd_virmidi in the modules file. It was working fine before though. When I put virmidi in the first time i assumed when my sound stopped working my sound modules were dead.
[07:33] <dr_willis> MattJ,  partion magic perhaps can.
[07:33] <eonia> goldfish: I'm not mounting, I'm editing fstab; I don't think -t is needed there
[07:33] <goldfish> ah
[07:33] <goldfish> sorry :/
[07:33] <Amaranth> ntfs captive is kinda slick, actually. it uses the kernel's ntfs read support to grab the ntfs.sys driver off the windows partition and uses it to read/write/etc ntfs partitions
[07:34] <bystander> eonia: I respectfully suggest you browse " man fstab" ;-)
[07:34] <eonia> bystander: I respectfully point out that I did, to no avail :-)
[07:35] <bystander> eonia: "If at first you don't succeed..." and so on... *grin*
[07:35] <Myrtti> ffs, Firefox doesn't start up anymore
[07:35] <eonia> bystander: thanks :-)
[07:35] <Amaranth> oh dear, my firefox nightly is 10 days old
[07:35] <Amaranth> i feel dirty
[07:36] <danko123456> go wash your mouth with soap...
[07:36] <eonia> bystander: ok, but I should still use umask=022 yes? (there is nothing in man about that btw)
[07:36] <danko123456> eonia: mounting a hard drive dont work?
[07:36] <bystander> eonia: you really shouldn't need anything beyond umask=022
[07:36] <danko123456> a partition? a windows one to that?
[07:37] <eonia> danko123456: yes, a win partition; I can read it as root, but not as a different user
[07:37] <bystander> eonia: as I told you before, this seems to work:
[07:37] <bystander> /dev/hda1       /windows        ntfs    noauto,ro,users,umask=022 0 0
[07:38] <danko123456> eonia, k, taht is easy...
[07:38] <bystander> of course your mount point will differ
[07:38] <chris> sounds good
[07:38] <danko123456> sudo fdisk -l
[07:38] <danko123456> tell us the ntfs one.
[07:39] <eonia> danko123456: hda1
[07:39] <eonia> bystander: ok :) I'll try that :)
[07:39] <eonia> bystander: but really.. why make my life easier? ;-)
[07:39] <danko123456> try it.
[07:39] <danko123456> :)
[07:39] <Myrtti> oh no, it really doesn't start up
[07:40] <Myrtti> oh the pain
[07:40] <goldfish> Myrtti: use lynx :)
[07:40] <Myrtti> Ha              ha.
[07:40] <IIIEars_> w3m is preinstalled. links is better
[07:41] <Amaranth> w3m supports far more than links
[07:41] <danko123456> bah, my bklackbox has a good context menu now, I never tried it...
[07:41] <Cristobal> hi
[07:41] <IIIEars_> (pokes goldfish fr a browser "war" - lol)
[07:41] <Amaranth> IIIEars_: You another roommate?
[07:41] <glick> okay so far daddy likes :)
[07:42] <glick> a couple of things i have to fix and tweak and change
[07:42] <nobile> =)
[07:42] <IIIEars_> lol - (realizes the quiet corner is where he should of stayed.)
[07:42] <glick> but over all its niceness
[07:42] <eonia> bystander: no good; here's the error msg I get trying to access it:
[07:42] <eonia> ubuntu@ubuntu:/$ cd /localdrive
[07:42] <eonia> bash: cd: /localdrive: Permission denied
[07:43] <danko123456> my xwindows is being extremely sketchy, you should see this, just for a laugh...
[07:43] <eonia> here's the error trying to chmod it:  root@ubuntu:/ # chmod -v 555 /localdrive
[07:43] <eonia> failed to change mode of `/localdrive' to 0555 (r-xr-xr-x)
[07:43] <eonia> chmod: changing permissions of `/localdrive': Read-only file system
[07:43] <Myrtti> not doing it with sudo?
[07:43] <eonia> here's the line I added to fstab (afterwards umounting and mounting to be sure)
[07:43] <Myrtti> oh
[07:43] <Myrtti> yes you are
[07:44] <eonia> /dev/hda1 /localdrive ntfs users,ro,noauto,umask=022 0 0
[07:44] <danko123456> eonia: are you still on about the ntfs? then add yourself as the user.
[07:44] <bystander> eonia: what does `ls -ld /localdrive` say?
[07:45] <Cristobal> when doing a server install of ubuntu whats the commands i should do to get gnome an the basic stuff
[07:45] <eonia> ubuntu@ubuntu:/$ ls -ld /localdrive
[07:45] <eonia> dr-x------  1 root root 16384 2005-05-26 01:26 /localdrive
[07:45] <romm3r> Cristobal: sudo apt-get install x-window-system gnome
[07:45] <romm3r> i think thats right
[07:45] <bystander> eonia: make a new mount point dir
[07:46] <bystander> eonia: it should be 755 (that's the default)
[07:46] <romm3r> or sudo apt-get ubuntu-desktop
[07:46] <eonia> you mean chmod it before mounting it?
[07:46] <bystander> eonia: then use your new dir in fstab
[07:46] <Myrtti> how about chown and chgrp
[07:46] <bystander> eonia: you shouldn't need to chmod it
[07:46] <Cristobal> thanks and is there a program i can install that will auto detect and install my needed drivers
[07:46] <bystander> eonia: it should be vreated 755 by default
[07:47] <romm3r> Cristobal: have u got ubuntu installed already
[07:47] <bystander> *created
[07:47] <Cristobal> yes
[07:47] <eonia> ok
[07:47] <Cristobal> just command line tho
[07:47] <Cristobal> did a server install
[07:47] <eonia> hang on
[07:47] <romm3r> Cristobal: which devices aren't working
[07:47] <Cristobal> sound
[07:47] <bystander> eonia: the permissions you have on /localdrive are prohibitive
[07:48] <eonia> here's the new dir:
[07:48] <eonia> root@ubuntu:/ # ls -ld /newmount
[07:48] <eonia> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 1024 2005-05-26 22:46 /newmount
[07:48] <eonia> looks good so far
[07:48] <romm3r> Cristobal: i wonder if thats because u installed as a server?
[07:48] <bystander> eonia: yep: now substitute that in /etc/fstab
[07:48] <Cristobal> probably yes since i dont think it installed any devices
[07:49] <JanderClander> where can I suggest something to Laptop Team
[07:49] <eonia> done. now mount it to /newmount I assume
[07:49] <bystander> eonia: try it out, yes
[07:49] <Cristobal> when is breeze scheduled for release
[07:50] <jsgotangco> October 2005
[07:50] <Seveas> goooooooooooooooooooooooooooodmoooooooooooooooooooooooorning!
[07:50] <Seveas> JanderClander, by posting your suggestion to ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[07:50] <Seveas> Cristobal, there is a fixed 6-month release schedule with releases every april & october
[07:50] <Cristobal> so october
[07:50] <JanderClander> Seveas: thanks!!
[07:50] <Myrtti> ok, I installed firefox from Debian testing.
[07:51] <eonia> bystander: ok, done. Observe log:
[07:51] <eonia> root@ubuntu:/ # mkdir /newmount
[07:51] <eonia> root@ubuntu:/ # ls -ld /newmount
[07:51] <eonia> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 1024 2005-05-26 22:46 /newmount
[07:51] <eonia> root@ubuntu:/ # pico /etc/fstab
[07:51] <eonia> root@ubuntu:/ # pico /etc/fstab
[07:51] <Myrtti> now it works again
[07:51] <eonia> root@ubuntu:/ # mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /newmount
[07:51] <eonia> mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /newmount busy
[07:51] <eonia> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda1 is mounted on /localdrive
[07:51] <eonia> root@ubuntu:/ # umount /localdrive
[07:51] <eonia> root@ubuntu:/ # /mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /newmount
[07:51] <eonia> bash: /mount: No such file or directory
[07:51] <eonia> root@ubuntu:/ # mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /newmount
[07:51] <eonia> root@ubuntu:/ # ls -ld /newmount
[07:51] <eonia> dr-x------  1 root root 16384 2005-05-26 01:26 /newmount
[07:51] <bystander> eonia: DON't PASTE!!
[07:51] <MattJ> eonia: get a pastebin somewhere
[07:51] <eonia> sorry!
[07:51] <Seveas> eonia, DO NOT paste in here, use ubuntu.pastebin.com
[07:51] <Amaranth> eonia: You can't write to an ntfs drive
[07:52] <eonia> I don't want to write to it, I simply want to read it
[07:52] <eonia> as a user
[07:52] <Seveas> eonia, simply mount it with umask=0000 in the options fiels
[07:52] <Seveas> filed*
[07:52] <Seveas> field*
[07:52] <Amaranth> wouldn't putting user in the options field do it too?
[07:53] <MattJ> Seveas: where do you live thats its morning?
[07:53] <Seveas> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /newmount -o umask=0000
[07:53] <Seveas> MattJ, The Netherlands
[07:53] <Seveas> 7:53 am here
[07:53] <glick> how do i make the kernel reread the udev rules?
[07:53] <MattJ> 2am in the states
[07:53] <Seveas> glick, /etc/init.d/udev restart maybe
[07:54] <glick> thanks Seveas :)
[07:54] <Seveas> MattJ, then go to sleep ;)
[07:55] <Amaranth> 1am here
[07:55] <Myrtti> me hungry
[07:55] <Myrtti> groar
[07:55] <glick> hmm my rules arnt working
[07:56] <Natedogg> hey, anyone still up?
[07:57] <eonia> seveas: it worked. Thank you :) Sorry about the paste, I put everything in ubuntu.pastebin.com, but it's a little late now anyway :)
[07:57] <eonia> thanks for bearing with me guys, and not using a clue-by-four :) I'm not *ix-ified yet
[07:58] <Natedogg> after I log in to ubuntu to begin a session my screen goes blank, and i get an error message telling me it won't load "K Display Manager" becuase its not the default display manager
[07:58] <Natedogg> how can I turn it to the default?
[07:58] <bystander> eonia: you shouldn't need umask=0000 - 022 should work too
[07:58] <bystander> eonia: but whatever works for you I guess
[07:58] <Seveas> bystander, 0222 then
[07:58] <Seveas> always use 4-digit values
[07:59] <glick> hmm my usb stick has a vfat fs on it
[07:59] <glick> but it cant mount it
[07:59] <bystander> Seveas: interesting. my fstab has 022 and works fine
[07:59] <glick> in fstab fs is auto
[07:59] <glick> doesnt ubuntu come with vfat support?
[08:00] <bystander> Seveas: isn't the fourth digit redundant?
[08:00] <Seveas> bystander, 3-digit values work too, but on some systems do different things :)
[08:00] <glick> /proc/filesysems shows vfat
[08:00] <bystander> Seveas: I see :)
[08:00] <eonia> bystander: ok, tried that too; it works as well. Just wondering though, why wouldn't it follow fstab's direction for umask=022 if it wasn't specified in the mount command?
[08:00] <Seveas> glick, your usb stick shouldn't be in fstab
[08:00] <glick> when i plug in the usb stuck the kernel responds with this in dmesg
[08:00] <Natedogg> how can I change my defalault to k display manager?
[08:00] <Rev_Fry> I came back to my hoary system and it was unresponsive... the keyboard Lock keys wouldn't light up but the system was on and the mouse was lit... so I rebooted and set pci=noacpi since it's been hanging trying to stop this on a shutdown.  That made it look up with a sound stutter when I booted.  So.. I've got an AMD64 2800+ MSI K8N NEO 2 Plat 768m Ram and a 9600XT... any known issues?
[08:00] <glick> Attached scsi removable disk sdb at scsi5, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[08:00] <glick> usb-storage: device scan complete
[08:00] <glick> VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev sdb.
[08:00] <Seveas> Natedogg, sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[08:01] <glick> Seveas, i use udev
[08:01] <Rev_Fry> Other symptoms where applications not starting but showing up in top
[08:01] <Seveas> glick, so do I (ubuntu default) and all my usb sticks automount perfectly
[08:01] <bystander> eonia: it should. Try typing sudo mount -a and then try it again, maybe
[08:01] <glick> Seveas, where do they automount to?
[08:01] <Natedogg> thank you
[08:02] <glick> Seveas, im runnin xfce4
[08:02] <Seveas>  /media/$filesystem-label
[08:02] <glick> Seveas, yeah it doesnt do it for me
[08:02] <Seveas> it's udev + pmount-hal
[08:02] <glick> Seveas, pmount?
[08:03] <Seveas> pmount lets you mount removable drives as ordinary user
[08:03] <Seveas> pmount-hal is the automount bit
[08:03] <eonia> bystander: ok, that worked (after I removed noauto from fstab)
[08:04] <Natedogg> Seveas, that didn't work, it k display manager is still not the default, so when I start GNOME i just get a blank screen
[08:04] <bystander> eonia: noauto just means "don't mount this on boot"
[08:04] <glick> i dont understand why its not working here
[08:04] <Seveas> Natedogg, do you mean KDM as login screen?
[08:05] <glick> i specified in fstab to use auto for usbstick
[08:05] <Seveas> glick, that's not the point in auto
[08:05] <Orbo> problem with ipod.  followed the setup tutorial and it works fine in general, it's just that every time I plug it back in it will change the device to a higher letter
[08:05] <Seveas> auto means: boot when mount -a is called (at boot)
[08:05] <glick> Seveas, what do you mean?
[08:05] <Seveas> pmount does not even need it to be in fstab
[08:05] <eonia> bystander: ok, but it wouldn't mount with noauto, so I assume it means don't mount as -a (all) either
[08:05] <glick> Seveas, no i have auto for fstype
[08:05] <Orbo> i eject it when it is recognized as sdb
[08:06] <glick> autodetect the fs
[08:06] <Orbo> then I plug it back in and its sdc
[08:06] <bystander> eonia: right, as seveas just pointed out
[08:06] <Orbo> then I plug it in again, and its sdd
[08:06] <Natedogg> Seveas, someone had me run an install and it asked me which i wanted to make defalut, KDM or DPM, and now after selecting DPM, right after I login and put in my password i get a blank screen and it stays there
[08:07] <dr_willis> DPM?
[08:07] <bystander> eonia: but "mount /newmount" should work for user now
[08:07] <yahalom> anyway i can have the app menu by right clicking on my desktop? like in xfce and also in kde (if configured) ?
[08:07] <dr_willis> Hmm..
[08:07] <glick> Seveas, you have any idea why my usb stick isnt automounting?
[08:07] <Natedogg> i might just run the installer again and reselect kpm
[08:08] <Seveas> glick, not really
[08:08] <Orbo> yahalom, if you want the gnome experience in a windows manager, try metacity
[08:08] <bystander> eonia: if you have "auto" it will just be permanently mounted
[08:08] <Seveas> Natedogg, installer?!?!
[08:08] <Seveas> you do not need installers to install KDE
[08:08] <Natedogg> let me get the exact line
[08:08] <Seveas> that might just have screwed it up...
[08:08] <yahalom> Orbo, why?
[08:08] <Orbo> because it a window manager
[08:08] <glick> that sucks i need access to my usb :(
[08:08] <Orbo> that works like gnome
[08:08] <Natedogg> it might not be an installer, new to unix, it had install in the line i think though
[08:08] <yahalom> Orbo, what does it use now?
[08:08] <Orbo> what?
[08:09] <yahalom> Orbo, what window manager does gnome use by default?
[08:09] <Orbo> if you just did a default install youre most likely using gnome
[08:09] <skull> hey i created an user for my bro and added him to audio group before i saw the volume control then it disappeared, when i try to add the volumen control it doesn't show up
[08:09] <Seveas> Orbo, metacity
[08:09] <bystander> yahalom: metacity
[08:09] <Natedogg> seveas, whatever he had me install was so I could run a different type of session
[08:09] <skull> how can i fix it
[08:09] <bystander> oops
[08:09] <yahalom> Orbo, so i am using metacity
[08:09] <Orbo> right now?
[08:09] <Seveas> Natedogg, you mean update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
[08:09] <yahalom> Orbo, if its the default, yes
[08:10] <bystander> yahalom: metacity doesn't give you abn app menu on right click
[08:10] <Orbo> no, yahalom, gnome is the default
[08:10] <xb> hm. does uudecode come with ubuntu?
[08:10] <Orbo> get metacity through apt or synaptic
[08:10] <yahalom> Orbo, u saying gnome, bystander and Seveas are saying metacity :)
[08:10] <Seveas> yahalom, Gnome is your desktop environment, it uses metacity as windom manager...
[08:10] <bystander> Orbo: gnome is the desktop: it uses metacity as wm
[08:10] <yahalom> bystander, what does?
[08:10] <xSachs> hihi
[08:10] <Orbo> right right, but if he just wants metacity
[08:11] <xSachs> can anyone tell me a program for photo capture from digital camera?
[08:11] <Orbo> then hell have to add it to gdm?
[08:11] <Orbo> am I right?
[08:11] <eonia> bystander: thanks for your help, your patience is to be commended :-)
[08:11] <bystander> yahalom: quite a few wm do that
[08:11] <yahalom> Orbo, i dont just want metacity, i want right click app menu
[08:11] <Orbo> just use fluxbox
[08:11] <bystander> eonia: thanks :)
[08:11] <Orbo> fluxbox r rox
[08:11] <Natedogg> seveas, this is what i typed in the terminal "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" at the end it asked me which to make defalault, kpm or dpm, i asked the guy and he said dpm, and now i can't load GNOME
[08:11] <Seveas> xSachs, most cameras will mount as external hard drive..
[08:11] <Orbo> damn leet
[08:11] <Orbo> sorry
[08:11] <bystander> eonia: hope it all works OK now :)
[08:11] <Seveas> dpm..?
[08:11] <Seveas> there is no dpm...
[08:11] <xSachs> oh ok thx, how about webcam recording?
[08:11] <Natedogg> hmmm
[08:11] <Natedogg> i swear thats what it said
[08:11] <Orbo> yahalom, use fluxbox.  Easy to configure through straightforward text files
[08:11] <eonia> bystander: like freshly waxed car :)
[08:12] <Orbo> lots of documentation too
[08:12] <Natedogg> should i just run the same line again? and then when it asks selece kmp?
[08:12] <Orbo> and itll give you the right click app menu that you long for
[08:12] <xSachs> my webcam also takes pictures but has no memory -- goes straight to comp <-- any program for capturing this?
[08:12] <Natedogg> seveas, this is what i typed in the terminal "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" at the end it asked me which to make defalault, kpm or dpm, i asked the guy and he said dpm, and now i can't load GNOME
[08:12] <Seveas> Natedogg, try apt-get install --reinstall kdm
[08:12] <Natedogg> whoops
[08:13] <Seveas> it dhould ask that question again
[08:13] <Seveas> should*
[08:13] <Natedogg> it didn't
[08:13] <Natedogg> wait
[08:14] <Natedogg> too errors, could not open lock file, and unable to lock the admin directory
[08:14] <Seveas> Natedogg, try sudo apt-get install --reinstall kdm
[08:15] <Natedogg> hmmm
[08:15] <Orbo> anyways, can anyone help with my above mentioned ipod issue?
[08:15] <Natedogg> dosen't look good
[08:15] <yahalom> bystander, Orbo i have no idea how to change my window manager and still use gnome
[08:15] <bystander> Natedogg: echo "/usr/bin/kdm" > /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[08:15] <Orbo> what?
[08:15] <bystander> Natedogg: prepend with sudo
[08:15] <Orbo> if you want gnome themes and everything use gnome-session
[08:15] <Natedogg> seveas: this is what i got, Reloading K display Manager configuration... initscript kdm, action "reload" failed
[08:16] <Seveas> Natedogg, try what bystander said:
[08:16] <Natedogg> ok
[08:16] <Seveas> echo "/usr/bin/kdm" | sudo tee /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[08:16] <bystander> Natedogg: use sudo
[08:16] <Seveas> but try this form :)
[08:16] <yahalom> Orbo, man i wantgnome. i just want to access my app menu by right clicking, like in xfce.
[08:16] <bystander> ah yes, good catch :)
[08:17] <yahalom> Seveas, u know what i mean?
[08:17] <Orbo> yahalom, google
[08:17] <mariahdz> install the ndiswrapper from thesynaptic package manger
[08:17] <yahalom> Orbo, there thanx :)
[08:17] <mariahdz> need help
[08:17] <Orbo> did I really need to tell you that ?
[08:17] <Seveas> yahalom, i understand that, but the app-menu-with-right-click is an XFCE feature that is not available on gnome afaik
[08:17] <yahalom> Orbo, lol no
[08:17] <Peps> I downloaded a .deb file from sourceforge since the (latest) version I have keep crashing. Is there a way to get synaptic to install it? I understand using dpkg directly is not recommended ...
[08:17] <glick> i have a question i start cp 'ing a dir from my external firewire hd and it starts then in the middle of it it stops
[08:17] <yahalom> Seveas, no way?
[08:18] <glick> then dmesg shows the following
[08:18] <glick> Attached scsi disk sda at scsi7, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[08:18] <glick> ieee1394: sbp2: aborting sbp2 command
[08:18] <glick> Read (10) 00 01 91 7f 98 00 00 01 00
[08:18] <Seveas> Peps, sudo dpkg -i [thedebfile] 
[08:18] <Natedogg> sudo: treee: command not found?
[08:18] <Peps> Seveas, will that remove the exsisting one or I have to do it manually?
[08:18] <Seveas> using dpkg is the only way :)
[08:18] <bystander> Natedogg: tee
[08:19] <Natedogg> lol
[08:19] <Seveas> Peps, it *should* remove the existing one if this new one is properly built
[08:19] <bystander> :)
[08:19] <Seveas> Natedogg, echo "/usr/bin/kdm" | sudo tee /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[08:19] <mariahdz> i need help i have emachins window ep and i did the doel boot particion  for lenux ubuntu and the inter net will not work on ubuntu what do i do
[08:19] <Peps> Seveas, Thanks, I hope my system will not blow up :)
[08:19] <bystander> Seveas: I forgot the carch 22 with sudo :)
[08:20] <bystander> *catch 22
[08:20] <mariahdz> can some one help please
[08:20] <Seveas> mariahdz, what is the ndiswrapper problem?
[08:21] <glick> yeah something is borked big time
[08:21] <glick> i did shutdown -r now
[08:21] <dr_willis> hmm
[08:21] <mariahdz> cat go online from ubuntu it dos not reconaz
[08:21] <glick> and my system isnt shutting down
[08:21] <Natedogg> still nothing guys, should i to re-run the original line and then switch it?
[08:21] <Seveas> mariahdz, have you installed both ndiswrapper and linux-restricted-modules..?
[08:21] <yahalom> is there a limit to how many themese i can add?
[08:21] <Seveas> yahalom, no
[08:21] <mariahdz> no waht is it
[08:21] <mariahdz> were do i get it
[08:21] <Seveas> Natedogg, does it give no output or an error?
[08:22] <glick> lol i cant halt the system
[08:22] <Seveas> mariahdz, can you please type uname -a in a terminal and paste the output in here
[08:22] <bystander> Natedogg: what does `cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager ` return?
[08:22] <glick> what is going on?
[08:22] <yahalom> Seveas, i added two more themes and it wouldnt add them, evne thought it said it did
[08:22] <mariahdz> a what
[08:22] <Orbo> do it through terminal yahalom
[08:22] <Orbo> were they icon themes?
[08:22] <glick> anyone know what i could/should do?
[08:22] <Seveas> mariahdz, go to applications->system tools->terminal
[08:23] <mariahdz> ok
[08:23] <Seveas> mariahdz, that'll open a window, in that window you type: uname -a
[08:23] <Seveas> followed by an [enter] 
[08:23] <glick> my cpu is being used 100%
[08:23] <glick> i think i found a serious kernel bug
[08:23] <Seveas> mariahdz, it will say something like 2.6.10-5-SOMETHING
[08:23] <Seveas> and i want to know that SOMETHING
[08:24] <Natedogg> as i was just rebooting, i noticed the same thing i notice when i turned it off, in "DOS" there was a orange asterik by GNOME Display Manager and K Display Manager, both of them say Not starting Manager; its not the default display manager
[08:24] <glick> i guess my only option is a cold hard power re boot
[08:24] <dr_willis> a "Boot To the Head Reboot" :P
[08:24] <dr_willis> "Cold Cycle the Power System"
[08:25] <bystander> Natedogg: what does `cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager ` return?
[08:26] <Natedogg> user/bin/kdm
[08:26] <bystander> Natedogg: and you reinstalled kdm, right?
[08:26] <Natedogg> not sure
[08:26] <Seveas> Natedogg, please copy our commands CAREFULLY
[08:26] <Seveas> Natedogg, echo "/usr/bin/kdm" | sudo tee /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[08:26] <bystander> Natedogg: you mean /usr/bin/kdm I hope
[08:27] <Natedogg> yeah
[08:27] <bystander> Natedogg: because it looks like you did a typo
[08:27] <Natedogg> acctually it does say /user/bin/kdm
[08:27] <mariahdz> what do i do confused
[08:27] <bystander> Natedogg: then repeat the command Seveas gave you
[08:27] <Natedogg> ok
[08:27] <eonia> Gotta run. May y'all have a happy day now y'hear? :)
[08:28] <bystander> Natedogg: it's /usr not /user
[08:28] <mariahdz> help
[08:28] <Natedogg> yes, i am an idiot, been on linux less then 5 hours
[08:29] <bystander> Natedogg: well in that case you are doing OK :)
[08:29] <Natedogg> so after i reinstalled it now, what next
[08:29] <bystander> Natedogg: give us the output of cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager again to check
[08:29] <plonk22> bystander: Just wanted to say thanks, I got it all going now, was giving it the wrong module parameter
[08:30] <bystander> plonk22: cool :)
[08:30] <bystander> Natedogg: if that command returns /usr/bin/kdm you should be OK
[08:31] <stalagna> sorry about htat
[08:32] <stalagna>   usr/bin/kdm
[08:32] <bystander> stalagna: it should have a leading / ( /usr/bin/kdm )
[08:32] <stalagna> it does
[08:32] <bystander> stalagna: OK
[08:32] <stalagna> i lose that everytime i type it for some reason
[08:33] <bystander> stalagna: what does ` dpkg -l kdm ` say ?
[08:33] <bystander> it should have ii in the first column if it's installed
[08:33] <bystander> don't paste the output, please
[08:34] <stalagna> yeah it does
[08:34] <stalagna> i can't
[08:34] <stalagna> its on my laptop
[08:34] <bystander> OK it should work now
[08:34] <bystander> stalagna: if you reboot you should get kdm
[08:34] <stalagna> ill give it a shot
[08:34] <stalagna> thanks a bunch
[08:34] <bystander> OK
[08:34] <bystander> no worries
[08:35] <Seveas> stalagna, reboot is not needed
[08:35] <Seveas> just hit <ctrl><alt><bksp>
[08:35] <bystander> Seveas: true, sorry
[08:36] <Seveas> although, if kdm did not start earlier, you might need a reboot anyway :)
[08:36] <bystander> or sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[08:37] <lobo_> Hello, I am having trouble installing ubuntu with software raid
[08:39] <stalagna> bystander: so what is the line to change the default display manager
[08:39] <stalagna> i didn't realzie what the difference was, the one i prefer is the original one
[08:40] <bystander> stalagna: the one I originally gave you will say permission denied or similar
[08:40] <stalagna> i am still locking up right after i put in my password
[08:40] <bystander> stalagna: it's a quirk of the sudo method
[08:40] <Seveas> Natedogg, echo "/usr/bin/gdm" | sudo tee /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[08:40] <Seveas> that's the Ubuntu default
[08:41] <stalagna> so if you run GNOME you have to be running the GDM right?
[08:41] <stalagna> is that why I am locking up?
[08:41] <bystander> stalagna: no
[08:41] <dr_willis> No. :P
[08:42] <bystander> stalagna: kdm works too
[08:42] <dr_willis> I use kdm to start up gnome all the time.. and visa-versa
[08:42] <bystander> stalagna: the lock up is some other issue I guess
[08:42] <dr_willis> or ya could not even use kdm or gdm. and boot to the console.
[08:42] <stalagna> any other ideas why this won't start up?
[08:43] <bystander> stalagna: you typed your user name first, didn't you ?
[08:43] <dr_willis> when in doubt.. drop back to the console. make a .xinitrc, try startx, and watch the error logs. :P
[08:44] <bystander> dr_willis: .xsession in debian based distros
[08:44] <stalagna> yeah
[08:44] <dr_willis> bystander,  Hmm i thoght .xinitrc started for me the other day :P thenagain it may check for one or the other in order.
[08:44] <stalagna> first a question, there are two ways to run this software, one is GNOME, and the blue is called what?
[08:44] <bystander> dr_willis: .xinitrc will work too :)
[08:45] <dr_willis> then ya got what 'vnc' looks for,
[08:45] <stalagna> the blue background, and it starts with a K
[08:45] <bystander> dr_willis: different functions though
[08:45] <goldfish> kde ?
[08:45] <stalagna> yeah I think so
[08:45] <dr_willis> bystander,  yea - never did find any real info on the differances. :P figured it was some old 'standard' vs some newer old standard. :P now neither are used much.
[08:46] <stalagna> bystander: ok, everything was working fine until he had me run the install, and then after it, i ran KDE once with no problems, logged out and tried getting back into GNOME and got the blank screen
[08:46] <bystander> stalagna: which install was that?
[08:47] <stalagna> let me bring it back up
[08:47] <stalagna> agt-something
[08:47] <dr_willis> :)
[08:47] <stalagna> I am buying me a book on linux tommarrow
[08:48] <stalagna> this is frustrating the hell out of me
[08:49] <Lafitte-> how do i blank a cd  in cdrecord ?
[08:49] <bob2> Lafitte-: man cdrecord, the -blank option.
[08:49] <Lafitte-> sudo cdrecord -v dev=/dev/hdc blank=all
[08:49] <stalagna> ok, he had me run apt-get install kubunto-desktop
[08:50] <stalagna> then i rank the KDE, logged out came back to gnome and had a blank screen
[08:50] <bystander> stalagna: can you still log into KDE ?
[08:51] <bystander> stalagna: choose it from sessions in the login screen
[08:51] <stalagna> i have to go back, I am in failsafe terminal
[08:51] <stalagna> or can i go from here
[08:52] <bystander> hmm - maybe type "exit" in the failsafe screen ( not sure)
[08:53] <martii> morning folks
[08:53] <glick> ok i think i discovered some serious bugs!
[08:54] <Lafitte-> bob2,   heh ei had it mounted   doh!
[08:55] <glick> why am i getting I/O errors on my firewire drive
[08:55] <glick> it worked perfectly in debian
[08:55] <glick> as did my usb stick
[08:55] <glick> now they are both acting up
[08:55] <glick> what gives?
[08:56] <stalagna> bystander: it looks like i can get into KDE
[08:56] <Orbo> help with dual boot
[08:56] <stalagna> but I get a blank screen at GNOME
[08:56] <Orbo> ubuntu recognized it during install
[08:56] <Orbo> but it won't let me access it
[08:56] <Orbo> I have an SATA hdd if that matters
[08:57] <bystander> stalagna: it *might* be a sound server issue in gnome
[08:57] <IIIEars> how do you use apt-get to update the signing key?
[08:57] <stalagna> i am just going with a reinstall
[08:57] <stalagna> i just installed it tonight, dont have anything to lose
[08:58] <stalagna> thanks for your help
[08:58] <bystander> stalagna: I doubt that's necessary
[08:58] <stalagna>  what do you suggest?
[08:59] <bystander> stalagna: I can't recall the command, but someone else might know how to turn off the sound server for gnome: you *could* try typing"killall esd"
[08:59] <ubuntu> hi, i am new to linux and i would like some help please.
[08:59] <IIIEars> glick - give me the USB stick model maybe i can turn something up.
[08:59] <glick> IIIEars, it has no model its a generic flash usb stick
[08:59] <glick> also i have a Y200 external firewire drive
[09:00] <IIIEars> Okay - i'm beaten
[09:00] <glick> what happens is this
[09:00] <ubuntu> i recently installed ubuntu on my windows pc. i install it without any problems set it for dual boot with xp, xp still works but if i load ubuntu it tells me x-server cannot be loaded and i'm stuck with no GUI
[09:00] <stalagna> i will worry about it later, thanks for your help
[09:00] <IIIEars> "Y200" - give me a few minutes
[09:00] <ubuntu> can anyone point me in the right direction ?
[09:00] <bystander> stalagna: OK - good luck then
[09:01] <glick> when i copy large amounts of data from the drive, to the local drive the machine reads as much as it can to memory, then it pauses the read to write the data to disk, then when it wants to resume and read more data, i get I/O failure
[09:01] <glick> there is nothing wrong with this disk
[09:01] <glick> worked perfectly only a few hours ago under debian
[09:02] <glick> Maxtor 6  Model: Y200P0
[09:02] <glick> firewire
[09:02] <ubuntu> may i request some help please...
[09:02] <Orbo> I've looked through the forums, and I can't find anything relating to my problem
[09:02] <Orbo> SATA partitioned for ubuntu and xp
[09:03] <Orbo> xp won't boot even though it was recognized and added to grub's boot.conf
[09:03] <cyphase> has anyone here heard of aipbot?
[09:03] <ubuntu> orbo i have the exact opposite problem
[09:03] <ubuntu> my ubuntu won't work properly
[09:03] <Orbo> did you install ubuntu first?
[09:03] <ubuntu> nah xp
[09:03] <Orbo> weird
[09:03] <Orbo> anyways
[09:04] <ubuntu> ubuntu tells me that
[09:04] <ubuntu> x-server cannot be loaded
[09:04] <ubuntu> so i have no gui..
[09:04] <Orbo> fun, are you on iirc or windows xchat
[09:04] <ubuntu> i'm on mIRC
[09:04] <Orbo> ah
[09:04] <ubuntu> i really need some help
[09:05] <ubuntu> but no one is responding
[09:05] <Orbo> yeah, theyll get around to it, theyve helped me quite a bit in the past when I was just starting out
[09:05] <ubuntu> orbo, did you ever have a problem with x-server
[09:05] <Orbo> nope
[09:06] <ubuntu> im stuck with a plain black screen andwhite command interface
[09:06] <ubuntu> crappy
[09:06] <bystander> ubuntu: try `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg`  (if this is ubuntu 5.04 )
[09:06] <ubuntu> is that what i type?
[09:06] <Orbo> a wonderful command bystander
[09:06] <Orbo> yeah
[09:06] <ubuntu> k let me writethat down
[09:06] <bystander> ubuntu: yes
[09:06] <ubuntu> one minute
[09:06] <Orbo> itll let you configure your xorg.conf file
[09:06] <IIIEars> glick - (shrug)
[09:06] <bystander> without the back ticks of course
[09:06] <DJ-Bug> can some one help a first time user havin trouble booting up please?
[09:06] <glick> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/307482
[09:06] <ubuntu> what do i change in the .conf file?
[09:06] <glick> that is my problem
[09:07] <ubuntu> im a linux newb
[09:07] <hubidubi> hi
[09:07] <Orbo> if youre a newb then you shouldnt change anything
[09:07] <bystander> ubuntu: that command will ask questions - you answer them
[09:07] <ubuntu> well it isn't working as is
[09:07] <ubuntu> oh ok great
[09:07] <Orbo> reconfigure will do everything for you
[09:07] <hubidubi> how can I access non gnome applications from menu?
[09:07] <ubuntu> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:07] <ubuntu> is that correct?
[09:07] <bystander> yes
[09:08] <Orbo> aye
[09:08] <Orbo> bystander
[09:08] <ubuntu> k gonna print it now ill let you know how it goes
[09:08] <Orbo> are you familiar with dual booting?
[09:08] <bystander> ubuntu: it will ask for your password
[09:08] <ubuntu> yes
[09:08] <ubuntu> i know the password
[09:08] <glick> well!
[09:08] <bystander> ubuntu: if this is warty, the command is different
[09:09] <ubuntu> it is the uh
[09:09] <glick> i gues i have no choice but to compile a kernel from scratch!
[09:09] <hubidubi> is there a menu similar than in debian for non gnome apps?
[09:09] <ubuntu> hedgehog ?
[09:09] <bystander> ubuntu: I assume you have the recent release
[09:09] <glick> the latest vanilla kernel
[09:09] <bystander> hoary hedgehog, yes
[09:09] <ubuntu> mine is the hedge hog
[09:09] <DJ-Bug> i just installed ubuntu and it reset my pc and it dose the dos stuff then just leave a blank empty screen on my pc
[09:09] <DJ-Bug> ?
[09:09] <ubuntu> so this cmd will work
[09:09] <bystander> OK
[09:09] <bystander> yes
[09:09] <ubuntu> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:09] <bystander> yup
[09:09] <ubuntu> k be right back then
[09:09] <ubuntu> thanks much
[09:09] <ubuntu> oh btw
[09:09] <bystander> good luck :)
[09:09] <ubuntu> how do i get on irc on linux
[09:09] <ubuntu> <no idea>
[09:10] <bystander> ubuntu: use xchat (instlled by default)
[09:10] <ubuntu> kk
[09:10] <bystander> *installed
[09:10] <ubuntu> thank you
[09:10] <ubuntu> bye
[09:10] <glick> is there a easy howto for ubuntu?
[09:10] <Orbo> ubuntuguide.org is nice
[09:10] <glick> or is it done the same way a debian kernel is compiled?
[09:10] <IIIEars> Ubuntu - If all else fails this may work.  ctrl+alt+backspace (kills any xserver before you dpkg another)   in the terminal "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  (just follow the yes and prompts a little experimentation  about options framebufer or no. dri or no glx or no. VOILA! gnome desktop)
[09:10] <bystander> glick: same
[09:11] <Orbo> bystander
[09:11] <bystander> glick: but why compile a kernel?
[09:11] <IIIEars> Ubuntu - still there? - heh
[09:11] <Orbo> are you familiar with dual booting, bystander?
[09:12] <bystander> Orbo: I have a triple boot here, so yes, sort of :)
[09:12] <IIIEars> bystander - get a two for one bonus. - same trouble with my rig.
[09:12] <DJ-Bug> ?
[09:12] <glick> bystander, bystander i need 2.6.11-9
[09:12] <bystander> I see
[09:13] <Orbo> bystander, I'm having trouble with an xp and ubuntu dual boot
[09:13] <glick> bystander, apparently some of these externel firewire drives have faulty controller cards that the .9 kernel can work around
[09:13] <prasad> the system time i.e in bios is different that what my ubuntu shows?
[09:13] <prasad> any help?
[09:13] <glick> i think i know why my usb stick isnt working
[09:13] <IIIEars> glick - maybe it's just me but 2.6.11 didn't work very well.
[09:13] <bystander> Orbo: that's kind of vague...
[09:13] <Orbo> bystander, I've got an sata drive with both OS's installed, ubuntu recognized it, yet XP won't load
[09:14] <glick> the assholes at the school lab where i work, set restrictions on their windows machine so you cant safely remove usb devices
[09:14] <glick> the asswipe assured me that it was safe to just log out and pull it out
[09:14] <IIIEars> Orbo - what error do you see?
[09:14] <DJ-Bug> can any one help me ?
[09:14] <Orbo> IIIEars, hold on
[09:14] <glick> apparently it currupted my usbstick so i cant read it on linux machines
[09:14] <bystander> Orbo: sata can cuse issues, but I know nothing about that, sorry
[09:14] <bystander> *cause
[09:14] <Orbo> IIIEars, brb
[09:14] <Orbo> I'll go check
[09:15] <DJ-Bug> > i just installed ubuntu and it reset my pc and it dose the dos stuff then just leave a blank empty screen on my pc
[09:15] <vince_> can anyone tell me how to make gphoto recognize olympus stylus 300 digital camera? it is present as a storage device, but not recognized as a camera... thanks
[09:15] <bystander> later all, gotta go ...
[09:15] <IIIEars> DJ-bug - yeppers "" the "Grub" bootloader problems.
[09:16] <IIIEars> bystander No--ooo!
[09:16] <IIIEars> 3 people here with basically the same question and you managed to set up a triple boot system.
[09:16] <JohnnyRotten> does anyone know why after installing ubuntu after everything loads the screen just goes blank
[09:16] <Orbo> IIIEars:  root hd(0,0)
[09:17] <Madpilot> Is there a "Ubuntu/Linux architecture for dummies" page out there somewhere?
[09:17] <Orbo> Error 24: attempting to access block outside of partition
[09:18] <xb> erm.. how would i use apt-get or aptitude to install gtk?
[09:18] <Madpilot> I know it's linux kernel --> a bunch of stuff --> visible desktop :) but I'd like to fill in the large gaps in that little diagram...
[09:18] <Orbo> xb, first 'sudo apt-cache search gtk'
[09:18] <xb> im thinking there should be one thing i can type to install it easily
[09:18] <darGor> anyone can help me? how i can change a .ogg file to a .mp3 ? my mp3 discman can play .ogg files.
[09:18] <Orbo> then choose what you want 'sudo apt-get install nameofpackage'
[09:19] <IIIEars> Orbo - something like "grub-install (plus command to assign mbr) (plus some command to assign directory where menu.lst is stored)
[09:20] <glick> it must be a kernel issue right?
[09:20] <glick> i mean this disk worked perfectly in -9
[09:20] <Orbo> IIIEars, that doesn't help much, assign mbr?
[09:20] <Orbo> assign directory to the menu.lst in /boot/grub?
[09:21] <xb> can i type a lot of packages seperated by spaces?
[09:21] <JohnnyRotten> anyone have any idea what might cause the screen to just go black when first loading on a fresh install?
[09:21] <Orbo> xb, no, iirc
[09:21] <IIIEars> Help? - bah - i was hoping you knew it. (sigh)
[09:21] <IIIEars> lol
[09:21] <Orbo> nooooooooooo!
[09:21] <Orbo> 'mimics vader walk'
[09:22] <xb> heh whats iirc have to do with this?
[09:22] <xb> :)
[09:22] <IIIEars> Eh, oh well (shrug)
[09:22] <Orbo> iirc=if i remember correctly xb
[09:24] <Raskall> can I tell tar to skipp hardlinked files when creating a tar archive?
[09:24] <Raskall> -p
[09:24] <ubuntu> ok, im back
[09:24] <ubuntu> i did the x-server reconfigure.
[09:24] <ubuntu> it told me that
[09:24] <gromf> hello everybody
[09:25] <ubuntu> warning: overwriting possibly customized configuration file /etc/x11/xorg-conf.20050
[09:25] <ubuntu> also, i have onboard video on my motherboard and an ati card ( pci express ) how do i find out the pci-bus of the ati card
[09:27] <Seveas> ubuntu, lspci
[09:27] <ubuntu> lspci?
[09:27] <Seveas> yeaj
[09:27] <Seveas> type that in a terminal :)
[09:27] <ubuntu> i don't understand
[09:27] <ubuntu> i can't get to a terminal
[09:27] <ubuntu> x-server won't load
[09:27] <glick> excuse me i have a question is it a known issue that many external firewire drives dont work correctly when transfering large amounts of data, crashing or causing the kernel to seemingly freeze waiting for them because of faulty controller chips ?
[09:27] <Seveas> well, then just in the console (that's where you are without X-server)
[09:27] <ubuntu> lspci
[09:28] <ubuntu> that does that tell me?
[09:28] <Seveas> that will tell you the PCI bus contents
[09:28] <ubuntu> would entering an incorrect value give me the error i pasted
[09:28] <ubuntu> ?
[09:28] <Seveas> glick, try mounting it sync (or if it is sync, mount it asyncO
[09:28] <Seveas> ubuntu, no idea
[09:29] <ubuntu> k i will go try that
[09:29] <ubuntu> bystander.
[09:29] <ubuntu> need some help buddy :-)
[09:29] <ubuntu> i tried the reconfigure
[09:29] <ubuntu> i told me:
[09:30] <ubuntu> xserver-xorg post inst warning:overwriting possibly customized configuration file /etc/x11/x-org.conf.20050
[09:30] <ubuntu> how do i resolve that
[09:31] <bystander> it's just a warning as far as I can see
[09:31] <Seveas> ubuntu, back up your xorg.conf
[09:31] <ubuntu> but then it still won't let me on
[09:31] <lobo_> how do i get raid0 software to work on the installer?
[09:31] <bystander> did you go ahead?
[09:31] <ubuntu> bystander
[09:31] <ubuntu> but then it still won'tl oad x-org
[09:31] <ubuntu> wont load x-org*
[09:31] <bystander> ubuntu: did you answer the questions?
[09:31] <ubuntu> x-server
[09:31] <ubuntu> yea i did
[09:31] <ubuntu> i have a question.
[09:32] <ubuntu> i have onboard video chip (intel) and a much better ati ( pci express video card)
[09:32] <ubuntu> is that causing this problem?
[09:32] <bystander> it might be confused about which card to use
[09:32] <bystander> dunno
[09:32] <ubuntu> it asks me for the pci-bus
[09:32] <ubuntu> and i have no idea what to tell it
[09:32] <bystander> ignore that
[09:32] <xb> ehh.. so there's no way i can install all of gtk in just a couple lines?
[09:33] <bystander> you don't need to answer that one
[09:33] <ubuntu> it does see the ati card and asks me if the model is correct
[09:33] <ubuntu> and it is
[09:33] <ubuntu> ok. then i have no idea how to get x-server to work then :-(
[09:33] <bystander> maybe you can disable the other card in BIOS
[09:33] <ubuntu> whichone
[09:33] <ubuntu> which one
[09:34] <ubuntu> i'm sure i have the intel already disabled
[09:34] <ubuntu> because i use the ati
[09:34] <bystander> ubuntu: whichever you don't want to use
[09:34] <ubuntu> wouldn't the intel already be disabled
[09:34] <JohnnyRotten> does anyone know why after installing ubuntu after everything loads the screen just goes blank? its ubuntu 5.04
[09:34] <bystander> ubuntu: I don't know, to be honest
[09:34] <ubuntu> well how can i show you the error i get
[09:34] <ubuntu> from x-server
[09:34] <ubuntu> write down log info or what?
[09:36] <bystander> ubuntu: you might paste the error at pastebin.com and ask people to look at it: I have to go again soon I'm sfraid
[09:36] <bystander> ubuntu: I'm no expert on x configuration anyway
[09:37] <ubuntu> ok..
[09:37] <ubuntu> i will go check the bio
[09:37] <ubuntu> s
[09:37] <bystander> I just know a few commands like the one I gave you
[09:37] <ubuntu> what button is it again to get into bios
[09:37] <ubuntu> also, any other x-server command that might get me out of this rut
[09:37] <bystander> depends on your machine
[09:37] <ubuntu> also when i installed ubuntu i used partition as /root
[09:37] <bystander> the button I mean
[09:37] <ubuntu> is that correct setup ?
[09:37] <bystander> no, should be just /
[09:38] <ubuntu> i'm sure that's what i mean
[09:38] <ubuntu> eh
[09:38] <ubuntu> i think it said /root.
[09:38] <ubuntu> =/=
[09:38] <ubuntu> -.-
[09:38] <ubuntu> ;-[
[09:38] <bystander> definitely should be /
[09:38] <ubuntu> should i reinstall ubuntu ?
[09:38] <ubuntu> how do i know if it is /
[09:39] <bystander> sudo fdisk -l will show you your partitions
[09:40] <glick> this is exactly why you want to learn how to compile your own kernels ladies and gentlemen
[09:40] <lobo_> bystander: are you familiar with software raid setups?
[09:40] <bystander> lobo_: no, sorry
[09:40] <ubuntu> bystander
[09:40] <lobo_> poopy :(
[09:40] <ubuntu> so if it is /root
[09:40] <ubuntu> that is wrong?
[09:40] <ubuntu> it should just be /
[09:40] <bystander> ubuntu: as I said, /root is root's home dir, not the root partition
[09:41] <bystander> is the root partition
[09:41] <ubuntu> oh this is so very complicated i remember using
[09:41] <bystander> sorry / is the root partition
[09:41] <ubuntu> knoppix it was easy
[09:41] <bystander> ubuntu: ubuntu is almost exactly the same as knoppix in these respects
[09:42] <bystander> both are debian-style distros
[09:42] <ubuntu> k
[09:42] <chris> somebody is trying to get into my ssh server what shall I do?
[09:42] <chris> auth.log gives me their ip
[09:42] <ubuntu> ip-ban?
[09:42] <chris> good idea how?
[09:42] <KerPlunk> chris: dial 911
[09:42] <chris> hehe
[09:42] <ubuntu> lol
[09:42] <bystander> chris: shut down your server?
[09:42] <chris> nah
[09:42] <ubuntu> how the hell do i get x-server to work
[09:42] <chris> I on remote access too
[09:42] <ubuntu> it is driving me nuts
[09:43] <chris> so a ip with firestater then?
[09:43] <ubuntu> kerplunk can you help?
[09:44] <KerPlunk> ubuntu: apt-get -y install xserver-xfree86 xfonts-base
[09:44] <bystander> KerPlunk: he's on Hoary
[09:44] <ubuntu> i really need a command like thator something
[09:45] <ubuntu> i want to get this working
[09:45] <KerPlunk> I dunno what Hoary is
[09:45] <KerPlunk> This is my first time here.
[09:45] <ubuntu> that cmd is no good for hoary?
[09:45] <KerPlunk> I'm a debian person.
[09:45] <bystander> KerPlunk: he has xorg, not xfree
[09:45] <KerPlunk> It seems Ubuntu is taking over so I came to see what the fuss was about
[09:45] <ubuntu> apt-get -y install xserver-xorg xfonts-base
[09:45] <ubuntu> will that work
[09:46] <bystander> it will probably say "you have the latest version already"
[09:46] <KerPlunk> HP is backing Ubuntu making some of their laptop models completly compatible with Ubuntu out of the box.
[09:46] <KerPlunk> in Europe/Middle East/Africa
[09:46] <KerPlunk> That is huge.
[09:47] <bystander> KerPlunk: interesting
[09:47] <bystander> KerPlunk: URL?
[09:47] <mithro> hi! how do i find out what the logout "suspend" and "hibernate" buttons call?
[09:48] <Madpilot> bystander: http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050512_124421.html  - google Ubuntu HP for more
[09:48] <KerPlunk> http://www.cooltechzone.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=1341
[09:48] <bystander> OK thanks
[09:49] <chris> it was somebody in asia
[09:49] <glick> ima save the kernel compile for t'morrow
[09:49] <bystander> this could be the thin edge of the wedge for linux.. good stuff
[09:49] <glick> i gotta hit the hay
[09:49] <glick> g'nite
[09:49] <chris> in Oz I think
[09:49] <rixth> How can one open .wps (MS Works) documents in OpenOffice?
[09:49] <KerPlunk> bystander: It certainly can't hurt.
[09:49] <bystander> KerPlunk: indeed
[09:49] <KerPlunk> rixth: Go to file and open in openoffice?
[09:50] <KerPlunk> Then click on the wps file?
[09:50] <rixth> KerPlunk, no, it doesn't have the filter.
[09:50] <KerPlunk> Change it to *.*
[09:50] <bystander> must fly - good luck, ubuntu
[09:51] <rixth> KerPlunk, it doesn't have the filter! I've tried opening it as a Word document (97 through to XP) and it doesn't woprk.
[09:51] <rixth> It' not that I can't see the file, I just can't open it.
[09:51] <KerPlunk> rixth: Have you tried in #openoffice?
[09:51] <psychonate> Microsoft offers a converter on their website AFAIK
[09:51] <psychonate> also, I think abiword can open it
[09:52] <rixth> KerPlunk, it's not even a channel.
[09:52] <ChinaCatJones> so what's everyone's favorite ripper?
[09:52] <chris> my hacker is from taiwan
[09:52] <KerPlunk> #openoffice.org
[09:52] <rixth> I'll get Abiword then. (There's an image embedded inside I need)
[09:52] <rixth> Oh okay :)
[09:53] <psychonate> well, I don't see that it can for sure
[09:54] <rixth> What the hell. I can't change my password to r47wok becasue it's "too simple".
[09:54] <holycow> hey guys, i have a sis ac'97 internal modem, lspci -v shows it having i/o ports, but lsmod doesnt show a module loaded and wvdial cannot detect the modem on any ttys ports ...
[09:54] <psychonate> however, if you have windows or if you can get it working under wine:
[09:54] <psychonate> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=b9e11e83-f51b-4977-b572-8c042df802c1&displaylang=en
[09:54] <psychonate> converter
[09:54] <rixth> ^^ Not actually the password, but it's in the format
[09:54] <rixth> psychonate, but I'm using Linux...
[09:54] <holycow> i'm googling not muc relavent stuff on this, anyone know how to debug modem realated issues?  im thinking udev has something to do with it
[09:55] <psychonate> well, it's probably abiword or bust then
[09:56] <ubuntu> if i download the non hedgehog version you think it might work?
[09:58] <rixth> Okay. If I can have ll as a password, why the hell can't I have r56wok?
[09:59] <burnboy> does it give you an error?
[09:59] <Amaranth> rixth: Lesson one: Don't tell people your passwords.
[10:00] <burnboy> haha
[10:00] <Amaranth> ubuntu: breezy is known to be broken, warty is old as dirt
[10:00] <glick> compilin my kernel
[10:00] <glick> once my kernel is in place this will be a sweet system
[10:00] <ubuntu> amaranth i cant get x-server to load
[10:00] <ubuntu> :(
[10:01] <burnboy> are you compiling a custom desktop kernel?
[10:01] <ubuntu> i guess i will try to reinstall hoar
[10:01] <glick> burnboy, yes
[10:01] <Amaranth> ubuntu: it works on the live cd though?
[10:01] <ubuntu> i never tried the live cd
[10:01] <burnboy> just skimmed down or did you add grsec or something?
[10:01] <Amaranth> ubuntu: what are you on now?
[10:01] <ubuntu> xp pro
[10:02] <Amaranth> Can you please change your nick? People on the Live CD who join get assigned that nick.
[10:02] <rixth> That wasn't my password. Just an example
[10:02] <ubuntu> they do?
[10:02] <ubuntu> how do i change nickname
[10:02] <Amaranth> Yeah, because the user on the Live CD is ubuntu and xchat uses that to set the nick.
[10:02] <Amaranth> /nick <SomeNameHere>
[10:02] <Ubuntu2> k
[10:02] <glick> lol but he user on the liveCD can chance his nick too
[10:03] <Ubuntu2> anyway i need some help
[10:03] <Ubuntu2> if i want to install ubuntu
[10:03] <Ubuntu2> how the hell do i get x-server to load
[10:03] <burnboy> i can never remember the exact xconfig command..
[10:04] <Amaranth> we'd need to know the error first
[10:04] <Ubuntu2> when i'm installing ubuntu in a dual boot set-up with windows
[10:04] <Ubuntu2> amaranth i have it one second
[10:04] <burnboy> wait, was this hoary or not?
[10:04] <Ubuntu2> yes
[10:04] <Ubuntu2> tells me
[10:04] <burnboy> hm
[10:04] <Ubuntu2> no devices
[10:04] <Ubuntu2> no screens
[10:04] <Ubuntu2> ..?
[10:05] <Ubuntu2> and something about not implemented
[10:05] <Ubuntu2> and says "i cannot load x-server (you're graphical interface)
[10:05] <Amaranth> yeah, tell it to give you the error log
[10:06] <Ubuntu2> i did
[10:06] <Ubuntu2> what doi dothen
[10:06] <Ubuntu2> do i do then*
[10:07] <Amaranth> tell use the error
[10:07] <burnboy> try xorgconfig
[10:07] <Ubuntu2> i did
[10:07] <burnboy> 'sudo xorgconfig'
[10:07] <burnboy> hrm.
[10:07] <Raskall> are there any estimates of when breezy is usable?
[10:08] <Ubuntu2> i guess ill go reinstall ubuntu
[10:08] <Ubuntu2> be back soon..
[10:08] <Ubuntu2> where do i copy the error from?
[10:08] <Amaranth> Raskall: 2 months, maybe
[10:08] <Ubuntu2> amaranth. where do i install it to /root ?
[10:09] <Ubuntu2> or /home
[10:09] <Amaranth> um...
[10:09] <Amaranth> maybe?
[10:09] <Raskall> Amaranth: :( too bad. is it severely broken?
[10:09] <glick> dam this kenel is takin forever to compile
[10:09] <glick> :(
[10:09] <Amaranth> Raskall: In a word, yes.
[10:10] <Amaranth> glick: Why are you compiling your own kernel?
[10:10] <lokk> You probably get this question all the time, but has anyone had any luck using RAID 0 with a Via VT8237 chipset?
[10:10] <Raskall> Amaranth: ok.. Guess I'll wait then. Hoary is doing a great job for me, so I don't really need to change anything.
[10:10] <glick> Amaranth, the stock kernels that come with ubuntu dont contain the fixes for faulty external firewire controller chips
[10:10] <glick> apparently 2.6.11-9 does
[10:10] <Ubuntu2> i wish i could get ubuntu to work
[10:10] <Ubuntu2> god damnit
[10:10] <Amaranth> Raskall: in 2 months it'll be 'don't stop working on a daily basis' not 'usable for a desktop that can't afford to go down for an hour of tinkering'
[10:11] <burnboy> glick, there's still a lot you could have removed to compile a lot quicker
[10:11] <Ubuntu2> amaranth
[10:11] <glick> burnboy, my kernel contains only what i need
[10:11] <Ubuntu2> where do i install ubuntu to
[10:11] <Amaranth> glick: The 2.6.11 in hoary isn't 2.6.11
[10:11] <burnboy> hmm
[10:11] <glick> Amaranth, what do you mean?
[10:11] <Amaranth> it's a bitkeeper snapshot of sometime after 2.6.10
[10:11] <Amaranth> as in, not stable, will die
[10:12] <glick> Amaranth, are you serious?
[10:12] <Amaranth> yes
[10:12] <Raskall> Amaranth: ok. I really need a working desktop right now since I am looking for a new job, so I guess I'll load breezy in some kind of vm instead.
[10:12] <glick> god damnit why do they do that!?
[10:12] <Amaranth> they thought 2.6.11 would release before they froze, it didn't
[10:12] <Amaranth> that's why it's in universe
[10:12] <glick> anyway when i transfer large amounts of data too or from my external fw drive it borks
[10:12] <matt__> is there a repository with e17 on it?
[10:13] <burnboy> wonder if anyone here knows hot to chown the uploads of all user accounts through vsftpd
[10:13] <Amaranth> glick: You'd have to compile a kernel from kernel.org
[10:13] <burnboy> i thought that's what he was doing
[10:13] <glick> Amaranth, yeah thats what im doing :)
[10:13] <burnboy> you don't compile what you can apt-get
[10:15] <burnboy> i always pop in a movie when i know i have to compile a personal kernel
[10:16] <burnboy> is ubuntuguide.org sponsored by Ubuntu at all?
[10:16] <burnboy> nevermind.
[10:16] <burnboy> dumb question
[10:17] <burnboy> it's General Note #1.
[10:17] <glick> i was starting to get frustrated as to why my shit wasnt working
[10:17] <glick> somethings are just meant to be done the good ole' fashion way
[10:17] <pschulz01> Gettings. I'm trying to configure bochs to use networking under hoary..
[10:18] <pschulz01> /dev/net/tun is there as well as the kernel module.. but it still isn;t working.
[10:19] <pschulz01> ls -al /dev/net/tun gives the device as (c 10,100) but device '10' is listed as 'misc' in /proc/devices.
[10:19] <pschulz01> suggestions?
[10:21] <glick> dam this wasnt supposed to take this long
[10:21] <glick> installing ubuntu
[10:21] <glick> :(
[10:21] <glick> i was expecting everything to "Just Work" :(
[10:22] <jsgotangco> tell that to microsoft too
[10:23] <jsgotangco> :)
[10:24] <petrf> :)
[10:24] <r0d> is their an easy way to install anjuta besides dl all the depend libs manually. apt-get doesnt have a package
[10:24] <glick> dude anjuta sucks
[10:24] <glick> learn to use your favorite text editor
[10:24] <glick> trus me
[10:24] <glick> you hate to do it at first
[10:24] <r0d> ok...
[10:25] <glick> yur used to a pretty ide
[10:25] <jsgotangco> yeah
[10:25] <jsgotangco> i just use joe or probably nano
[10:25] <r0d> its alot easier
[10:25] <jsgotangco> sometimes bluefish is handy though
[10:25] <glick> but then when you get used to it you love it and then you start to bitch when at work you have to use an IDE to write code in
[10:25] <r0d> i dont think using reg text editor is any better. slower
[10:25] <glick> maybe try eclipse with C++ module instead of anjuta
[10:26] <glick> a text editor will have little bugs
[10:26] <glick> you dont know how buggy those big ass IDEs are
[10:26] <glick> r0d, learn vim or emacs
[10:26] <glick> im a long time vim user for code
[10:26] <r0d> i know emacs
[10:26] <jsgotangco> emacs is so good at coding
[10:26] <glick> trying to learn emacs cause i heard it has some nice features for coding
[10:26] <r0d> i need the question answered if possible
[10:27] <glick> i dont kow ive only used anjuta once on slackware, and i remimber it was a bitch to isntall there too
[10:29] <glick> does anyone here ever use the virtual desktops of gnome or kde?
[10:29] <glick> i have never used them as long as ive used them
[10:29] <jsgotangco> have you tried monodevelop
[10:30] <glick> jsgotangco, lol i think hes set on anjuta
[10:30] <r0d> ? no i'm not
[10:30] <r0d> i just dont need to be told how much better a reg text editor is. its not. unless its a small program
[10:30] <glick> wow the virtual desktops on xfce are pretty damn cool
[10:30] <burnboy> hmm..this looks interesting
[10:30] <glick> i may actually use these
[10:30] <r0d> i'm coming from kde and would like a good ide
[10:30] <e-guru> does anybody know how to load a new DSDT table at boot time to ubuntu?
[10:31] <r0d> jsgotangco, monodevelop, that uses c# right?
[10:31] <glick> yay! kernel complete!
[10:33] <r0d> I"m telling the apt database is way too small compared to emerge's. its gonna be hard to get use to
[10:33] <burnboy> what's a good web-based coding GUI editor along the lines of mondevelop?
[10:34] <glick> time to reboot
[10:34] <glick> brb
[10:35] <Vampis> morning ppl
[10:36] <r0d> howdy
[10:36] <Vampis> whats up?
[10:36] <r0d> frustration, lol
[10:36] <Vampis> hehe
[10:36] <Vampis> thats not nice ;)
[10:37] <r0d> you a big ubtunu guy vampis?
[10:37] <Vampis> no... just getting started.. like a couple of months ago
[10:37] <Vampis> so I'm n00b
[10:37] <Vampis> :>
[10:38] <r0d> ahh u too. I"m coming from gentoo. its a change.....
[10:38] <Vampis> but don't worry ppl, I'm not here to ask any questions ;)
[10:38] <Vampis> aah..
[10:38] <Vampis> I tried gentoo once
[10:38] <Vampis> the installation took 3 days..
[10:38] <r0d> gentoo rocks
[10:38] <Vampis> and then it refused to boot ;)
[10:38] <r0d> lol yea that part isnt the best...
[10:38] <Vampis> I got mighty pissed
[10:38] <r0d> stage1?
[10:38] <Seveas> Vampis, sounds like my story
[10:38] <Vampis> r0d: of course
[10:38] <r0d> :)
[10:38] <Seveas> i tried stage1, stage2 and stage3 install
[10:39] <Seveas> none of them would ever boot
[10:39] <r0d> well when i was a good ole noob on gentoo, i used stage3
[10:39] <r0d> made things alot more fun.
[10:39] <Vampis> Seveas: I got so pissed.. and I had to get access to my disks in the server so i throwed in xp little quick
[10:39] <Seveas> so i kinda don't like gentoo since then :)
[10:39] <Vampis> me neither :)
[10:39] <r0d> i feel ya on that. i cant use my amd64 bit chip on a 32enviroment
[10:40] <r0d> which is y i'm here:) loving the easy-ness
[10:40] <Seveas> :)
[10:40] <Vampis> =)
[10:40] <Seveas> r0d, by the way, the apt database is only small if you don't use universe :)
[10:41] <r0d> how'd ya do that? i know that the apt-source file is what apt-get reads for source right?
[10:41] <Vampis> how many sources do u hade in the sources.list? I only have the ones in ubuntuguide.org
[10:41] <matt__> how do you search for something with apt-get?
[10:41] <Vampis> apt-cache search Whatuwannasearchfor
[10:41] <Seveas> r0d, make your /etc/apt/sources.list include at least the repositories listed in http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38
[10:42] <r0d> apt-cache searh <name of file>
[10:42] <r0d> sweet
[10:42] <locomorto> search*
[10:42] <locomorto> ;)
[10:42] <r0d> lol
[10:42] <r0d> its been a rough night
[10:42] <locomorto> i know, fridays are a killer
[10:42] <Vampis> Seveas: I have thoose..
[10:42] <Vampis> and the extras i found @ ubuntuguide
[10:42] <Seveas> eeek
[10:43] <locomorto> anyone found any pieces of interesting software?
[10:43] <Seveas> backports/marillat are evil
[10:43] <locomorto> sevaes they are not
[10:43] <locomorto> i will enjoy my lovely ff 1.0.4 and gstreamer and you can go off and sulk
[10:44] <Seveas> locomorto, ff in standard ubuntu is equivalent to 1.0.4 and better packaged
[10:44] <Seveas> good luck on upgrades...
[10:44] <matt__> anyone here install e17 from apt-get? im having some trouble
[10:44] <locomorto> no its not
[10:44] <Vampis> matt__: I have a thread here.. w8
[10:44] <locomorto> it only has the security updates pulled down
[10:44] <Seveas> e17 is not in the standard repositories matt__ afaik
[10:44] <Vampis> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20216
[10:45] <Vampis> matt__: there's all ya need to know
[10:45] <Seveas> locomorto, new features introduce new bugs, so if you want that, by all means use backports
[10:45] <Seveas> they still suck, QA wise
[10:45] <Vampis> I tried kubuntu last month
[10:45] <matt__> Vampis: ya i saw that already but it wont work, wont let me install the package
[10:45] <Vampis> konqeror crashed all the time
[10:47] <Vampis> matt__:  in the apt/precerenses
[10:47] <Vampis> change the pin from  version 0.17.0_pre10*
[10:47] <Vampis> to 0.16.999*
[10:47] <mimi> hello
[10:48] <IIIEars> good morning mimi
[10:48] <Vampis> thats the way he named the packages
[10:48] <penticlex> new breezy installing now
[10:48] <matt__> Vampis: thanks i think that did it, was getting really frustrated =\
[10:48] <mimi> hello can you see what im writting
[10:49] <Vampis> no
[10:49] <Vampis> i dont see a word ;)
[10:49] <Vampis> *lol*
[10:49] <Vampis> matt__: np :>
[10:49] <mimi> lol
[10:49] <Vampis> matt__: u made me feel a little 1337 there ;)
[10:49] <penticlex> I was so suprized how fast ubuntu is
[10:49] <mimi> how old r u
[10:49] <IIIEars> invisible e-ink?
[10:49] <Vampis> penticlex: its fu**ing fast..
[10:49] <mimi> fucking fast eh
[10:49] <Vampis> It runs fast as hell on my thinkpad 1.6 p4m with 768DDR
[10:49] <penticlex> yes it is installation only 30 min
[10:50] <Vampis> yes
[10:50] <penticlex> on my amd duron 850
[10:50] <mimi> you guys are computer nerds right
[10:50] <IIIEars> wich is amazing if you have ever tried fedora.
[10:50] <Seveas> mimi, some would say that, we prefer the term linux enthousiasts ;)
[10:50] <penticlex> fedora sucks
[10:50] <matt__> Vampis: can i pm you?
[10:50] <Vampis> I have a problem with my duron 800
[10:50] <IIIEars> 2 points for not saying "geek" - lol
[10:51] <Vampis> the motherboard doesnt support it, so it thinks it is a duron 533, but ubuntu sees it as a duron 800
[10:51] <Vampis> matt__: about? :)
[10:51] <penticlex> nothing works correctly
[10:51] <Vampis> u got that right ;)
[10:51] <penticlex> ?I have no problems w/ my amd 850 its overclocked to 1.07 ghx
[10:52] <penticlex> ghz
[10:52] <glick> works like a charm :)
[10:52] <Vampis> penticlex: this depends on the motherboard..
[10:52] <matt__> Vampis: well, no i can select enlightenment but now there is a list of deps that says cant be installed, am i missing something else? another repository
[10:52] <Vampis> I am trying to find a used cpu to buy
[10:52] <penticlex> yes true
[10:52] <Vampis> matt__: have u added the repositories in the thread on the forum i sent ?
[10:53] <penticlex> 47% upgraded
[10:53] <matt__> Vampis: ya, it was just the one at the top right?
[10:53] <penticlex> fast
[10:53] <Vampis> matt__: yep.. hnm, do u have all the sources listed i ubuntuguide.org ?
[10:54] <IIIEars> Vampis - check newegg.com - $179 for a 1.8g machine - if all you are looking for is an upgrade likely that will upgrade more than the processor
[10:54] <Vampis> I kive i sweden ;)
[10:54] <Vampis> live*
[10:55] <IIIEars> My favorite place is outpost.com - hewlett packard machines starting at $399 - great second machines
[10:56] <Vampis> nice
[10:57] <r0d> Seveas, you know that apt-list you showed me. it get "W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:57] <IIIEars> check pricewatch for components to build that gaming rig.
[10:57] <matt__> Vampis: ya i do now, still same error
[10:57] <r0d> Seveas, wrong link?
[10:57] <dmoyne> hello ! what is the best place to set local variables for a user ? ; thanks
[10:57] <Vampis> matt__: wierd
[10:57] <Seveas> r0d, apt-get update
[10:57] <Seveas> always apt-get update after editing sources.list
[10:57] <Vampis> yep
[10:58] <Seveas> dmoyne, that depends
[10:58] <Seveas> dmoyne, if they should be system-wide: ~/.gnomerc
[10:58] <r0d> Seveas,  i owe you a cookie.
[10:58] <Seveas> if they should be available in a terminal: ~/.bashrc
[10:59] <dmoyne> Seveas, I said just for a user otherwise for system-wide configuration /etc/environments is good is it not ?
[10:59] <sebastyan> Hello peeps !
[11:00] <Seveas> dmoyne, sorry, with system wide i meant: also available in gnome (ie: no terminal)
[11:00] <ki4cgp> Anyone been able to get fglrx and DRI running with an ATI radeon 9600XT or something close?
[11:00] <thoreauputic> hmm... yet another firefox update?
[11:00] <IIIEars> Can X-Chat accept system wide "themes"?
[11:01] <sebastyan> Ubuntu Addon CD is enough ?? i mean i have all development libraries there ?
[11:01] <sebastyan> or i need to still download them ?
[11:01] <dmoyne> Seveas, my problem is that by setting in ~bashrc it has no more effect !
[11:02] <IIIEars> thprea, - The scripties are aiming at the second most popular browser.   (cringe should i stick with "links" - grin)
[11:02] <petrf> longhorn
[11:02] <petrf> search
[11:02] <Seveas> dmoyne, that's odd
[11:03] <Burgundavia> ki4cgp, I have set up 2 of them
[11:03] <Burgundavia> ki4cgp, have you read wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[11:03] <Seveas> Burgundavia, do you have transparency going too?
[11:03] <Burgundavia> Seveas, nope, never tried
[11:03] <Seveas> ah ok
[11:03] <ki4cgp> No, I just installed ubuntu tonight, and have had problems getting those packages to install/compile
[11:04] <Seveas> supertux needs it :|
[11:04] <Burgundavia> Seveas, I suppose I could mess up Madpilot's machine
[11:04] <ki4cgp> I'll take a look at that tho
[11:04] <dmoyne> Seveas, yes, it maybe related to a bug with Kuser crashing when trying to edit a user properties (this is where you indicate /usr/bash as the user script) !
[11:04] <r0d> omg monodevelop is so AWESOME!. no need to develop in windows anymore:)
[11:04] <Burgundavia> ki4cgp, you don't need to compile anything, just install the drivers and edit your xorg.conf
[11:04] <ki4cgp> K
[11:04] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: Oh, thanks very much. Preform driver tests on your own blasted box! :)
[11:05] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, lol
[11:05] <Seveas> dmoyne, bash = /usr/bin/bash
[11:05] <navreet> what's the best man page browser? (not man... I am looking for color coding, etc)
[11:05] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, but I need mine to work
[11:05] <Seveas> or even /bin/bash
[11:05] <Seveas> navreet, yelp
[11:05] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: Bite me.
[11:06] <IIIEars> lol - Welcome to the "Ubuntu Community"
[11:06] <Vampis> hehe
[11:06] <Madpilot> meaning that the nicest possible way, of course
[11:06] <e-guru> does anybody know how to compile DSDT table? iasl tool seems to be missing in ubuntu
[11:06] <navreet> Seveas, thanks, but how do I open a man page from yelp?
[11:06] <dmoyne> Seveas, nope /bin/bash !
[11:07] <Madpilot> IIIEars: we're brothers. he's my beer-powered tech support. I'm obliged to give Burgundavia grief... :)
[11:07] <Seveas> navreet: just start yelp and click on the man pages link :)
[11:07] <IIIEars> heh - wide grin
[11:07] <Seveas> beer-powered tech support
[11:07] <Seveas> i like that title :)
[11:08] <Seveas> dmoyne, indeed, but you said /usr/bash earlier
[11:08] <Seveas> and that's wrong :)
[11:09] <dmoyne> Seveas, sorry but I meant the latter ; what is the graphical alternative with GNOME to Kuser ?
[11:09] <Seveas> no idea, what's kuser?
[11:10] <Seveas> i think you need users-admin
[11:10] <jsgotangco> Madpilot, you are a fool to trust Burgundavia
[11:10] <IIIEars> Seveas - overheard in another tech chat room. "Windows sux i have 2003 server got" "where did you get that?" "....some .ru server"  "It doesn't work can you help?"
[11:10] <jsgotangco> hehe
[11:10] <navreet> Seveas, thanks... but I wish there was a quicker way... e.g. yelp mplayer
[11:10] <dmoyne> Seveas, this is a graphical interface to edit user properties such as group ownership, script, domain path and so on
[11:10] <Church_of_FoamY> anyone know how to delete dirs in cedega?
[11:11] <Burgundavia> Seveas, I run Breezy. I don't crazy, bleeding edge things like transparency
[11:11] <Seveas> dmoyne, yeah, that;s users-admin
[11:11] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: no choice, he's family. besides, beer-powered = fairly cheap tech support... :)
[11:11] <jsgotangco> ohh
[11:11] <jsgotangco> i guess you're the brother then
[11:11] <ki4cgp> Burgundavia, I got all that done.  I'm gonna reboot to see how it does...
[11:11] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: afraid so. has my name been taken in vain?
[11:11] <jsgotangco> Madpilot, he's been talking about it for days
[11:12] <dmoyne> Seveas, apparently I cannot run in console mode ! ; are sure of the package (application) name ?
[11:12] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: oh dear. his first convert has gone to Burgundavia's head...
[11:12] <Seveas> dmoyne, gksudo users-admin (it needs root privileges)
[11:14] <dmoyne> Seveas, nothing happens when running gksudo users-admin : no error message and no display !
[11:14] <Seveas> dmoyne, that's odd
[11:14] <Seveas> works fine here
[11:15] <Seveas> it's /usr/bin/users-admin
[11:15] <Seveas> btw: i think it needs to be run inside a gnome session
[11:15] <dmoyne> Seveas, yes maybe I have a bug somewherer in the files under /etc like : shadow, group that I had to edit by hand as Kuser was crashing !
[11:16] <bigfoot> Hi everybody. I'd like to make use of an extension in Firefox. My question is in regards to the Fx that comes with Ubuntu. The extension's homepage (http://piro.sakura.ne.jp/xul/webmap/index.html.en) says that "This extension works only with special builds of Mozilla with the SVG option. If you use normal releases of Mozilla/Firefox, this won't work." For Linux, the build he mentioned is "Mozilla 1.7.5 local build with libart_lgpl-2.3.16-2.1 (bui
[11:16] <bigfoot> ld option: --enable-svg --enable-svg-renderer-libart)" please advise.
[11:16] <Church_of_FoamY> does anyone know how to delete directorys in cedega?
[11:17] <IIIEars> bigfoot - nice tip!
[11:17] <bigfoot> IIIEars, oh, you mean the extension?
[11:17] <Seveas> bigfoot, you will need to compile mozila yourself, afaik the ubuntu builds do not have svg enabled
[11:17] <dmoyne> Seveas, when searching package users-admin it does not exist ! what is the package name that contains it ?
[11:18] <IIIEars> I did have even a start at where to begin with them.
[11:18] <navreet> Seveas, man:topic in konqueror is also great! :)
[11:18] <Burgundavia> bigbootay, SVG is not enabled for Ubuntu builds. It is coming by default it FF 1.1. So inorder to get it, you need to compile your own ff
[11:18] <bigfoot> IIIEars, i'm sorry, i don't understand your last statement.
[11:18] <Seveas> dmoyne, gnome-system-tools
[11:18] <Seveas> navreet, eeek konqueror
[11:18] <IIIEars> never mind - lol - neither do i. (nap time)
[11:18] <bigfoot> Seveas, okay. What does it mean to "compile"? How does one do so?
[11:19] <IIIEars> Good night! :)
[11:19] <Vampis> navreet: konqeror sux =)
[11:19] <Vampis> it crashes all the time in kubuntu
[11:19] <navreet> Seveas, I know... I used to be a kde fan, but I've switch to Gnome after 2.4 or so
[11:19] <navreet> Seveas, it seems so bloated..
[11:19] <bigfoot> navreet, welcome to gnome.
[11:19] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: if you need to ask that, don't try to compile mozilla or firefox ;)
[11:19] <lhb> bigfoot: build it from sourcecode
[11:19] <Fleischlego> does this mean X tries to open the mouse as a "serial mouse"? => (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice
[11:19] <navreet> bigfoot, heh, been using it for a while :)... it's slick, glad they revamped nautilus long ago [used to be super slow] 
[11:20] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, Hi! You mean getting a SVG mozilla isn't as easy as downloading a package from Synaptic?
[11:20] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: that would be a major understatement :)
[11:20] <navreet> bigbootay, yeah...
[11:21] <navreet> doh
[11:21] <navreet> bigfoot, yeah
[11:21] <ice_1963> ok
[11:21] <Seveas> navreet,  is bigbootay a fancy word for fatass? :p
[11:21] <ki4cgp> Burgundavia, no such luck with the driver on that web-page
[11:22] <Madpilot> amazing the nicks ppl choose, isn't it? :p
[11:22] <dmoyne> Seveas, thanks now it works to edit users with Gnome ! ; thanks ; last question how do I launch webadmin ?
[11:22] <bigfoot> ok, in that case, no problem. The extension was to give a Visual Map of the history (of webpages viewed) in Fx.
[11:22] <Seveas> dmoyne, you mean webmin?
[11:22] <dmoyne> Seveas, yes !!!!
[11:23] <Seveas> dmoyne, you need to have your root account enabled for that afaik
[11:23] <Seveas> and you just point firefox to http://localhost:10000/
[11:23] <goldfish> hmmm
[11:23] <dmoyne> Seveas, I am sudo
[11:23] <Burgundavia> ki4cgp, do you have an nforce2 board?
[11:23] <Seveas> yeah but i heard (never used webmin) that webmin needs the root account to be enabled
[11:24] <thoreauputic> dmoyne: webmin expects "root"
[11:24] <ki4cgp> Burgundavia,  Not that I know of.  I don't think it had any video installed.  as a matter of fact, its i810 chipset
[11:24] <dmoyne> Seveas, ok thanks a lot for your help !
[11:25] <thoreauputic> dmoyne: if you must enable root, you can set a root passwd with ` sudo passwd root `
[11:25] <Wings> ello, I downloaded irssi with the synaptic package manager, how  do I run it?
[11:25] <Seveas> Wings, in a terminal you type: irssi
[11:25] <dmoyne> Seveas, you are wright I have to log as root to get in !
[11:25] <Wings> alright
[11:25] <thoreauputic> Wings: type `irssi -c irc.freenode.net` in a terminal
[11:26] <thoreauputic> Wings: for example
[11:26] <Wings> ok trying that now
[11:26] <thoreauputic> Wings:  irssi.org for lots of docs and info
[11:26] <gocili> I'm just trying to change my root setup on my newly installed system....but it won't let me
[11:27] <gocili> what is the default password on ubuntu
[11:27] <gocili> default root pass
[11:27] <thoreauputic> your user password for sudo
[11:27] <thoreauputic> there isn't one
[11:27] <Wings> alright, it worked, thanks
[11:27] <thoreauputic> as such
[11:28] <Seveas> stupid alt-f4 :)
[11:28] <Seveas> gocili, there is no default root password
[11:28] <Seveas> gocili: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:31] <Shufla> hello :D
[11:32] <gocili> ok
[11:32] <gocili> got it
[11:32] <gocili> thanks guys
[11:32] <Kpjas> Hi What can I do when my mouse dies ?
[11:32] <thoreauputic> Kpjas: get a hamster?
[11:32] <Kpjas> apart from burying it ?
[11:33] <Kpjas> in my previous system there was gpm
[11:34] <thoreauputic> sudo apt-get install gpm
[11:34] <Vampis> gpm = ? gnome package manager?
[11:34] <Kpjas> My mouse dies when I left login screen for too long
[11:34] <thoreauputic> Vampis: no it's a mouse thing for use in frame buffer etc
[11:35] <Shufla> Vampis: apt-cache show gpm
[11:35] <Vampis> ah
[11:35] <Kpjas> thoreauputic: how does mouse work in Gnome then ?
[11:35] <Kpjas> without gpm ?
[11:35] <thoreauputic> Kpjas: I have no idea ;)
[11:35] <Shufla> Kpjas: xorg has it's own driver.
[11:36] <Vampis> Shufla: that one i didnt now..spanx
[11:36] <Shufla> spanx?
[11:36] <Vampis> thanx
[11:36] <Vampis> ;)
[11:36] <Shufla> do you want to spank me? no, plaseeeaseee! i prefer women! ;)
[11:36] <Kpjas> Shufla: how can it be restarted ?
[11:36] <Vampis> Shufla: I'm not i woman?...
[11:36] <Vampis> damnit
[11:36] <Shufla> Kpjas: huh. sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[11:36] <Myrtti> *krhm*
[11:37] <Myrtti> I can do the spanking
[11:37] <Shufla> Vampis: afair Niclas isn't woman's name.
[11:37] <Kpjas> Shufla: thnx I think it will do the trick
[11:37] <Vampis> Shufla: lol :)
[11:37] <Vampis> Shufla: where are u from? poland?
[11:38] <Shufla> Vampis: yes.
[11:38] <Vampis> :)
[11:38] <Kpjas> Shufla: ah a compatriot :)
[11:38] <Vampis> lol :)
[11:38] <Shufla> Kpjas: ano :D
[11:39] <Kpjas> Is there a place to file a bug ?
[11:39] <Shufla> Kpjas: bugzilla.ubuntu.com and launchpad.ubuntu.com for universe
[11:39] <Kpjas> I think this is a bug
[11:39] <Kpjas> mouse shouldn't freeze in gnome login screen
[11:40] <Shufla> Kpjas: beware. afair gpm in is universe which is unsupported
[11:40] <Madpilot> g'night, all.
[11:40] <Vampis> night?
[11:40] <Vampis> ;)
[11:40] <Vampis> already?
[11:40] <Kpjas> Madpilot: this is morning
[11:40] <bigfoot> Hi everyone, how can i get the n with the tilde mark ( ~)over it into my text? It's one of those letters used in Spanish, as for example, in the word Senor.
[11:40] <Seveas> Madpilot, lives down under :)
[11:40] <Vampis> aha
[11:41] <Shufla> bigfoot: use spanish keymapping
[11:41] <bigfoot> Shufla, how do i do that? By the way, i will only need this letter once in a blue moon.
[11:41] <Fator_Dee> 
[11:41] <Madpilot> no, in Canada. it's now 0243 here, I've got to be at work @ 0900 local. so it's night for me!
[11:41] <bigfoot> Fator_Dee, you did it.
[11:41] <bigfoot> how?
[11:41] <Fator_Dee> altgr+~+n
[11:41] <bigfoot> Fator_Dee, what's gr?
[11:41] <Vampis> Madpilot: night
[11:41] <Fator_Dee> works wit  and  and
[11:41] <Seveas> bigfoot, keep ctrl+shift pressed and type f1 (that's an f and a one)
[11:42] <Fator_Dee> bigfoot: um, the right alt :-\
[11:42] <Fator_Dee> bigfoot: I have it labeled as Alt Gr
[11:42] <bigfoot> 
[11:42] <Seveas> 
[11:42] <bigfoot> Seveas, 
[11:42] <Vampis> 
[11:42] <Vampis> :D
[11:42] <Seveas> 
[11:43] <Seveas> 
[11:43] <Seveas> by the way: gucharmap is cool :)
[11:43] <Fator_Dee> copy paste my text to some safe place if you  can't get it to come out :-p
[11:43] <Seveas> 
[11:43] <Fator_Dee> then you can copy it from there :-D
[11:43] <Seveas> ok, i'll stop now :)
[11:43] <Vampis> =)
[11:43] <bigfoot> Seveas, how comes it sometimes shows up in that wierd symbol, like this: 
[11:44] <bigfoot> Fator_Dee, as you can see above, thanks to your help, I'm able!
[11:44] <Seveas> bigfoot, than you don't have a symbol for that in your font
[11:44] <bigfoot> Seveas, how did you know the code for ?
[11:44] <Seveas> bigfoot, gucharmap :)
[11:44] <Fator_Dee> bigfoot: ok, the other same kind of characters can be made with similar combinations
[11:45] <bigfoot> Seveas, i see. I have that program open now, but how were you able to find it?
[11:45] <keffo> Anyone using X-Chat.. read this! I have a problem with things while ppl highlight me.. check this out
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[11:45] <keffo> Fackamato haha oj lite spam dr ja keffo
[11:45] <Seveas> bigfoot, select latin from the left list
[11:45] <keffo> while someone highlight me there is no <MODEnick>
[11:45] <keffo> where teh hell do i add this?
[11:45] <bigfoot> Seveas, got it. I was looking for a script called "spanish". ha!
[11:46] <Seveas> keffo, settings->advanced->text events
[11:46] <keffo> i know, just wonder wich tab ;P or so
[11:47] <Seveas> Channel Msg Hilight
[11:48] <bigfoot> Seveas, i found the Capital N with tilde, but not . also, how did you know what the keyboard shortcut key was?
[11:49] <bigfoot> Seveas, found  now.
[11:49] <Seveas> ok, select it
[11:49] <Seveas> and the statusbar will show you the code
[11:49] <Seveas> U+00F1
[11:49] <Seveas> that means hold ctrl+shift and type f 1
[11:50] <bigfoot> okay, i see. but if you did'nt tell me, how should i know that "U+00" equals Ctrl+shift?
[11:50] <Seveas> it doesn't
[11:50] <bigfoot> or Seveas, how did you know?
[11:50] <Seveas> ctrl+shift is the gnome compose-unicode combination
[11:50] <Seveas> you just leave out leading 0's when typing the combination
[11:51] <bigfoot> 
[11:51] <bigfoot> thanks, seveas.
[11:51] <Seveas> 
[11:51] <Seveas> yw :)
[11:52] <bigfoot> Seveas, I'll have to remember that " U+ equals Ctrl+shift, because it's not in the 3paged gurcharmap helpfile!
[11:53] <Shufla> it's so boring... on day like that in work :(
[11:53] <Seveas> bigfoot, it does not equal it
[11:53] <bigfoot> huh?
[11:53] <hhurtta> Shufla: tell me about it
[11:53] <Seveas> U+ just means that it's unicode
[11:53] <bigfoot> okay.
[11:53] <Seveas> and ctrl+shift is the gnome compose-unicode charcombo
[11:53] <bigfoot> gotcha. how did you learn about this?
[11:53] <Vampis> ctrl+alt+backspace
[11:54] <Vampis> *kidding*
[11:54] <Seveas> bigfoot, another helper: add the character palette to your panel
[11:54] <Shufla> Vampis: it's 'U+killer-keycode'
[11:54] <Seveas> bigfoot, heard it from someone else ;)
[11:54] <bigfoot> Seveas, can you and  your comp read japanese text?
[11:55] <bigfoot> if so, I want to thank you in Japanese: 
[11:55] <bigfoot> 8-)
[11:56] <Seveas> my comp can, i cannot :)
[11:56] <Vampis> Kleggas: wb
[11:56] <Kleggas> which file do I edit to change the default login manager from kdm to other?
[11:56] <Kleggas> spanx Vampis
[11:56] <Seveas> Kleggas, /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[11:57] <Kleggas> Seveas: thank you
[11:58] <keffo> xchat - ok, anyone knows why this aint working.. I go the Channel MSG Highlight - add that line that makes both < > and mode (@ + or so) click "Save" then "Ok"
[11:58] <keffo> and it doesnt work
[11:58] <keffo> it doesnt save it.. why teh HELL is it doing like this
[11:58] <keffo> im going nuts home here
[12:02] <grexk> hello
[12:02] <grexk> can someone help me out...pm me please
[12:03] <liable> grexk: just ask your question, you'll get more help here
[12:03] <grexk> how can i change the tty font of hoary
[12:03] <grexk> cause it to big
[12:04] <grexk> its*
[12:04] <liable> grexk: use framebuffer
[12:04] <grexk> i already sudo dpkg-reconfigure x
[12:04] <grexk> and enable framebuffer
[12:04] <Shufla> grexk: line with vga= in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:05] <jacquesmerde> i wanna stick with just the default repos, and stick with all Free software, but i want to cheat a LITTLE and give myself an mp3 decoder (not encoder)...is that possible?
[12:05] <grexk> shufla how
[12:05] <Seveas> jacquesmerde, yes
[12:05] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: lame
[12:05] <liable> grexk: whats your native resolution
[12:05] <Shufla> grexk: you enabled framebuffer for xorg, which is not so good.
[12:05] <grexk> 1024x768
[12:05] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, oh. i thought lame was an ENcoder. which repo?
[12:05] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: that's the package name, not an insult, by the way ;)
[12:06] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: oh I see
[12:06] <liable> Shufla: why is that?
[12:06] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: you just want to play mp3s ?
[12:06] <grexk> why did you say that @shufla
[12:06] <Kleggas> in slack, there is some file somewhere where you could add commands that would execute right after the system has booted, before it starts X. is there such in ubuntu?
[12:06] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, yeah. i'm happy to encode to oggs
[12:06] <Shufla> liable: for what frambuffer driver for x? it is slower, isn't it?
[12:06] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: install gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:06] <jacquesmerde> btw, i was surprised (and hurt) that gmpc wasnt in the default repos
[12:07] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, mad! that's it! i was thinking:hmm...not lame...m....mame?
[12:07] <liable> Shufla: dunno, actually, dont game so am a bit of a graphics retard :(
[12:07] <Shufla> grexk: no msg.
[12:08] <grexk> ok] 
[12:08] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: withthat package you can play mp3 in rhythmbox
[12:08] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, which repo?
[12:08] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, yeah, rhythmbox is my second favourite music player. but i looooooove gmpc
[12:08] <grexk> hello wat will i do to change the font....
[12:09] <thoreauputic> hmm - universe
[12:09] <thoreauputic> according to apt-cache policy
[12:09] <Seveas> universe is free software too
[12:09] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, once i've enabled universe, and installed mad...do i want to then disable universe?
[12:09] <liable> grexk: try adding vga=773 to your kernel line
[12:09] <grexk> does it help if i edit the xconf file
[12:09] <Seveas> restricted and multiverse are the non-free parts
[12:09] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: no, universe is still free software
[12:09] <jacquesmerde> so mad has NO license issues?
[12:09] <grexk> it wat line in grub menu.lst
[12:10] <jacquesmerde> the universe distinction is more about official package support?
[12:10] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: not that I know of, anyway
[12:10] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: yes
[12:10] <grexk> can u give me an example
[12:10] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: universe = community supported
[12:10] <jacquesmerde> actually, i'm gonna go mp3 cold turkey for a while...see how long i last. mp3's are a hard habit to kick
[12:11] <liable> grexk: just edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and add vga=773 to the end of the kernel line
[12:11] <grexk> ok ill try that
[12:12] <grexk> how bout the changing the menu
[12:12] <liable> grexk: kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-1 root=/dev/hda3 ro vga=834
[12:12] <liable> grexk: but 773
[12:13] <grexk> imy menu.lst has /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-1 root=/dev/hda3 ro vga=834
[12:13] <liable> grexk: of course, for *your* kernel and *your* vga
[12:13] <liable> bah
[12:14] <grexk> i have this line /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-1 root=/dev/hda3 ro quite.... something
[12:14] <grexk> should i just add vga=773 or vga=normal
[12:15] <liable> grexk: you could add vga=ask   too
[12:15] <Seveas> vga=773
[12:15] <Seveas> that works fine for me (just tested)
[12:15] <grexk> ok thanks to you all
[12:16] <grexk> ill try that
[12:17] <Fator_Dee> jacquesmerde: just encode your cds to .ogg from this moment on :-)
[12:18] <Fator_Dee> or flac
[12:18] <jacquesmerde> Fator_Dee, oh. for sure. but i still like to be a bit of a p2p bandit
[12:18] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: google for ffmpeg2ogg for video conversions ;)
[12:18] <thoreauputic> sorry ffmpeg2theora
[12:19] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, what videos would i convert? i'm not a family guy/porn/futurama - watching geek....well, not ANYmore...
[12:19] <Fator_Dee> what's that theora thing?
[12:19] <Fator_Dee> I mean, what's it supposed to be a replacement for?
[12:19] <Fator_Dee> avi?
[12:19] <thoreauputic> heh - well, I just did some experiments with that tool so I thought I'd mention it :)
[12:20] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: it's a Free video format
[12:20] <thoreauputic> video equivalent of Vorbis for ogg
[12:20] <Fator_Dee> I... kind of knew that
[12:20] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: avi is a container: the theora "container" is .ogg
[12:21] <Fator_Dee> wouldn't that cause some misunderstanding on the programs?
[12:21] <Fator_Dee> having videos and audios labeled as ogg both?
[12:21] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: it does
[12:21] <Fator_Dee> why'd they do that :-\
[12:21] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: when the suffix is used for mime type ID at least
[12:21] <ogi_> hmph..the mplayer plugin for firefox doesn't seem to work very well. At least not in 1.0.4
[12:22] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: I don't know- I agree it seems dumb
[12:22] <Fator_Dee> ogt would have been good :-p
[12:22] <grexk> how bout managing the menus or even updating it can u teach me
[12:22] <omV0> i am trying to figure out how i can scan for bad sectors on my hdd.. my computer crashes and the log says "kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdd, sector 4"
[12:23] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: my work around is to use xfmedia for music and video
[12:23] <thoreauputic> totem would also work I guess
[12:23] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: is that a good proggy?
[12:24] <omV0> if i leave the comp on for a few days, it'll crash.. i kinda doubt it's a physical damage on my hdd cause i used it flawlessly under windows before i installed linux and it's only a year old
[12:24] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: it's pretty good: very simple front-end for xine
[12:24] <Fator_Dee> I have to give it a test run sometime
[12:24] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: only downside for me is it lacks a volume control
[12:25] <thoreauputic> plays all videos if you have the codecs
[12:25] <Fator_Dee> like any other program :-p
[12:25] <omV0> and everytime, the log gives me a different sector that caused an error.. even "end_request: I/O error, dev hdd, sector 0"
[12:25] <grexk> at omV0 ur HDD would be damage if it did'nt fall or u accidentally kick ur cpu
[12:26] <grexk> i guess the filesystem is just damage
[12:26] <omV0> grexk- damn.. i'm using reiserFS
[12:26] <Fator_Dee> omV0: look what the SMART info says about your hd's situation
[12:26] <r0d> is hardware quota enabled in the kernel by default?
[12:26] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: yeah :) It is a very bare-bones player, but it works well and looks nice ( and it can be configured to not show a screen when music only is playing)
[12:26] <Fator_Dee> omV0: sudo smartctl -a /dev/hdd
[12:27] <omV0> thanks Fator_Dee!
[12:27] <omV0> Fator_Dee: i get smartctl: command not found
[12:27] <Fator_Dee> omV0: or sudo smartctl -a /dev/hdd > smarthdd, to put the lines to a file called smarthdd
[12:27] <jacquesmerde> is it hypocritical to try and avoid all non-free software, yet have no problems pirating music?
[12:42] <zakann> I need some help
[12:42] <Fator_Dee> join flood
[12:42] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: I suggest we discuss religion and sex, since politics is now off the agenda
[12:42] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: Religion is worse than politics. :)
[12:42] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[12:42] <Fator_Dee> so sex it is
[12:42] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: And this channel is PG.
[12:42] <jacquesmerde> definitely....so....abortion, hey! and don't get me started on gay marriage... or rpm's to REALLY fire us up
[12:42] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: but not PC ? ;-)
[12:42] <Amaranth> so you have to talk about woo-hoos and ah-hahs
[12:42] <Amaranth> Sorry guys, he wouldn't stop.
[12:42] <Fator_Dee> I think he got the message now though
[12:42] <Amaranth> yeah
[12:42] <Church_of_FoamY> lol
[12:42] <Amaranth> quiet is better than a ban and kick, they can still see the conversation and such
[12:42] <Amaranth> I'll remove it in 10 minutes.
[12:42] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: and this from a guy who names his program "smeg" heheh
[12:42] <Fator_Dee> zakann: what do you need help with?
[12:42] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: Nothing wrong with a good swear word. The menu spec makes me use lots of them. :D
[12:42] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: :)
[12:42] <Burgundavia> smeg is only a swear word is small english pubs that serve good beer
[12:42] <jsgotangco> ok bye bye to you all
[12:42] <Lightboy> n e 1 know how to get quake3 running
[12:42] <dlh> hi
[12:42] <Lightboy> on ubuntuamd64
[12:42] <dlh> i have a very strange problem
[12:42] <Seveas> smeg su*s
[12:42] <Seveas> hi Amaranth ;)
[12:42] <dlh> after i install the ubuntu base system and reboot
[12:42] <Amaranth> heh
[12:42] <thoreauputic> Lightboy: that abbreviation only saved you typing one character...
[12:42] <dlh> then the linux OS don't wanna start
[12:42] <Lightboy> lol i actually missed the space key
[12:42] <dlh> it just says "Starting Ubuntu..." and that's it
[12:42] <dlh> any ideas?
[12:42] <thoreauputic> or maybe 3
[12:42] <Amaranth> Seveas: If I could figure out why gnome-menus hates me you'd love what I have planned for the next version.
[12:43] <Seveas> Amaranth, gnome-menus doesn't hate you, you just have to get to know it better
[12:54] <r0d> whats the point of that?? its nothing "/clear" cant fix
[12:54] <Amaranth> Seveas: pyxdg is what smeg uses, of course
[12:54] <Seveas> Amaranth, the menu simply uses alphabetical order
[12:54] <Seveas> i kinda like that
[12:54] <Amaranth> Seveas: No, it doesn't have to. You can reorder it however you want.
[12:54] <Amaranth> Seveas: That's what those arrows on smeg do, you move entries up and down.
[12:54] <Seveas> hmm
[12:54] <Amaranth> it's a kickass feature that doesn't work in gnome-menus :/
[12:54] <Amaranth> i should load up kicker, see if works there
[12:54] <othernoob> mmh, what should i download. a static .deb, a woody.deb or a sarge .deb ?
[12:54] <Seveas> othernoob, an ubuntu .deb
[12:54] <Seveas> or a sarge .deb if it's from before april 8
[12:54] <othernoob> Seveas: well..i would, but there isn't one yet
[12:54] <ogi_> Where should I put a xmms skin
[12:54] <othernoob> Seveas: http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/8.01-Preview-1/intel-linux/en/ ..
[12:54] <Seveas> ogi_, put the .tgz file in ~/.xmms/Skins
[12:54] <Seveas> ogi_, and try beep-media-player, it's a gtk2 port of xmms (ie: prettier)
[12:54] <Seveas> argh, opera
[12:54] <DJ-Bug> hey can soem one help me  please
[12:54] <Seveas> DJ-Bug, if you state your problem, someone could...
[12:54] <DJ-Bug> when i turn on the pc it comes on and gose to bott but leves me with blank screen
[12:55] <ogi_> Seveas..I'll use bmp if you find a announcement script to xchat for it
[12:55] <Seveas> ogi_, xmms plugins might work
[12:55] <ogi_> gotta try
[12:55] <DJ-Bug> ?
[12:55] <dewet> so, i screwed up and started using breezy since about a month ago, but things are untenable at the moment. would it be OK to simply reset my sources.list to hoary, and do a dist-upgrade?
[12:56] <Seveas> dewet, no
[12:56] <othernoob> Seveas: which one of those would you say i should get, the sarge.deb is from 10-May-2005
[12:56] <Seveas> you would need to reinstall
[12:56] <DJ-Bug> i have done that but same again
[12:56] <Seveas> othernoob, try the woody .deb then
[12:57] <Seveas> DJ-Bug, sorry that one was for dewet
[12:57] <othernoob> Seveas: ok, thanks
[12:57] <dewet> Seveas: damn. oh well, thanks.
[12:58] <othernoob> Seveas: just because i'm curious, what's different with the sarge debs from before/after april 8 ?
[12:58] <thoreauputic> othernoob: release date for Hoary
[12:59] <thoreauputic> othernoob: debian has moved, Hoary hasn't
[01:00] <othernoob> thoreauputic: so that means the debs after arent compatible ?
[01:00] <prasad> My ubuntu time and Bios time are different, How to set Biost time syc to ubuntu time ?
[01:00] <thoreauputic> othernoob: they may or may not be depending on changes
[01:00] <Seveas> othernoob, hoary released april 8 (froze even earlier) sarge debs from later times may cause dependencie issues
[01:00] <xoz> prasad: hwclock
[01:01] <Seveas> i'm on my balcony, in the sun, learning exams :)
[01:01] <othernoob> thanks :)
[01:01] <Fator_Dee> irc + learning to exams = not good
[01:01] <prasad> xoz : Thanx
[01:01] <Jay> Does someone fell that esd output sound some metal feeling compare  to ALSA output?
[01:02] <prasad> xoz: but why my bios and ubuntu time are different ?
[01:02] <Seveas> Fator_Dee, it is :)
[01:02] <dlh> so this is why the computer geeks love metal ...
[01:02] <Seveas> my exams are network security and distributed algorithms :)
[01:03] <thoreauputic> prasad: it depends how you answered the UTC question on install
[01:03] <xoz> prasad: maybe it is running ntpupdate?
[01:03] <thoreauputic> prasad: you can rerun base-config to change it
[01:03] <xoz> *ntpdate*
[01:03] <prasad> thoreauputic:my time zone is asia calcutta
[01:04] <thoreauputic> prasad: that isn't the issue
[01:04] <prasad> xoz: yes ntpdate is running
[01:04] <thoreauputic> prasad: either you use local or UTC time: if you chose the wrong one your time will be out
[01:04] <prasad> xoz: how todisable?
[01:04] <xoz> prasad: which means that the system is sync to a time server. during shutdown, your bios will be updated
[01:05] <xoz> prasad: disable /etc/init.d/ntpdate
[01:05] <thoreauputic> xoz: that almost certainly is not the problem
[01:06] <prasad> xoz: will /etc/init.d/ntpdate stop solve ?
[01:06] <thoreauputic> it's 90% sure to be that he has UTC set and is dual booting or similar
[01:06] <xoz> prasad: i think your question is confusing
[01:06] <thoreauputic> prasad: do you have a dual boot with windows?
[01:06] <xoz> prasad: you meant maybe timezone problem.. not the real time problem
[01:07] <prasad> xoz: time problem
[01:07] <prasad> thoreauputic: i have dual boot with fc3
[01:07] <thoreauputic> prasad: have you actually read what I told you above?
[01:07] <xoz> prasad: possible also that when you boot to window, it uses utc or not uses utc while linux is using the opposite.
[01:07] <saber_> got it: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5774254901&category=73387
[01:08] <prasad> xoz: no windows on my machine
[01:08] <prasad> xoz: i have only hoary and fc3
[01:09] <thoreauputic> prasad: read my lips: rerun base-config and change the time setting to whatever it isn't currently
[01:09] <thoreauputic> UTC/non-UTC
[01:09] <prasad> thoreauputic: yes i would run base-config again
[01:10] <xoz> prasad: make sure that both system agrees in setting utc or disabling it.
[01:10] <prasad> thoreauputic: but what sould i set ? coz i don't know what fc3 is runnig?
[01:11] <thoreauputic> prasad: set the opposite of what you have now on ubuntu
[01:11] <thoreauputic> assuming fc3 is correct
[01:11] <r0d> does ubuntu store the kernel source?
[01:11] <prasad> thoreauputic: yes, i would do that , thanx alot
[01:21] <Seveas> or apt-get linux-source-blabla (also your version)
[01:21] <deusx_> i'l try
[01:21] <r0d> Seveas,  right, but i asked if they come w/ sources. but i get ya. thx again
[01:21] <fulldisclosure> hi
[01:21] <fulldisclosure> when I play a xvid is slow in ubuntu, but if I try in a live CD it is normal
[01:21] <fulldisclosure> what can be the a posible reason
[01:21] <thoreauputic> fulldisclosure: you are hiding something, I can tell ;-)
[01:21] <Seveas> r0d, ah, then i must have misunderstood you, sorry
[01:21] <Seveas> fulldisclosure, do you play xvid from cd/dvd?
[01:22] <fulldisclosure> Seveas: HD or CD is the same result
[01:22] <Lightboy> so if n e one can help me with hoary amd64 and the nvidia drivers can u please let me know?
[01:22] <fulldisclosure> bad performance
[01:22] <Seveas> fulldisclosure, i think it is because dma is not switched on
[01:22] <Seveas> sudo hdparm -d /dev/$YOURDRIVE will tell you if it is on
[01:22] <r0d> Seveas, np hard to know whats up w/ the script kiddies flooding
[01:22] <Seveas> sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/$YOURDRIVE will enable it
[01:23] <fulldisclosure> yep
[01:23] <fulldisclosure> is enabled Seveas
[01:23] <fulldisclosure>  DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
[01:23] <fulldisclosure>  UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 *udma2
[01:23] <fulldisclosure>  AdvancedPM=yes: mode=0x80 (128) WriteCache=enabled
[01:23] <fulldisclosure> and in the DVD/CDrw is *mdma2
[01:23] <ogi_> How do I change an icon them
[01:23] <ogi_> e
[01:23] <ogi_> no wait
[01:23] <ogi_> I got it
[01:23] <Seveas> hmm, then ENOCLUE here, sorry
[01:24] <liable> qotd 122 is < amorphix> bunzip2: linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2 is not a bzip2 file   < cahoot> amorphix: run 'file  linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2 '   < amorphix> linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2: HTML document text    < liable> you idget    >> amorphix<< liable: I dont have idget   < amorphix> is the name right?
[01:25] <fulldisclosure> Seveas: dma is on, so .. :?
[01:25] <fulldisclosure> any idea
[01:28] <hayden> how do i specify a wpa key to connect to a wireless network
[01:28] <Seveas> hayden, you need wpasupplicant for that
[01:28] <Seveas> and either bring up your interface manually or massively hack /etc/network/interfaces
[01:28] <Seveas> (i did the latter)
[01:29] <fulldisclosure> Seveas: can you help?
[01:29] <Seveas> fulldisclosure, as i said ENOCLUE,sorry
[01:29] <fulldisclosure> I dont understand "enoclue"
[01:29] <Seveas> means: i don't know
[01:30] <fulldisclosure> ok
[01:33] <deusx_> going to Multimedia System Selector and selectind ESD for both input and output its OK for tests, but still XMMS or BMP or MPlayer are freezeing on file play
[01:34] <hayden> Seveas ok thanks
[01:40] <DJ-Bug> any one know any thing about blank screen at start  up ?
[01:40] <Roberto-Cavalli> dit me chung may`
[01:40] <Roberto-Cavalli> hehehe
[01:40] <Fator_Dee> DJ-Bug: misconfigured xorg.conf?
[01:40] <Roberto-Cavalli> :P
[01:41] <mikl> DJ-Bug: I think you'll have to be more specific
[01:41] <DJ-Bug> i dont know much about linux is there any one who can help me
[01:41] <DJ-Bug> well it loads all my pc spece in the beginin
[01:41] <DJ-Bug> youy know the wite rittin
[01:41] <DJ-Bug> then it says the linux stuff then just gose blank
[01:42] <mikl> DJ-Bug: try pressing Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[01:42] <mikl> when that happens, that is
[01:42] <Roberto-Cavalli> ./www.chatvn.com 6667
[01:42] <DJ-Bug> so when screen gose blank ?
[01:42] <mikl> DJ-Bug: Yes...
[01:42] <DJ-Bug> ok
[01:42] <DJ-Bug> trying it now
[01:42] <mikl> DJ-Bug: then you should be able to log in to a text-console
[01:44] <DJ-Bug> is it the ubunu kernel memtest86+ ?
[01:44] <thoreauputic> DJ-Bug: no that choice will be to test memory
[01:44] <DJ-Bug> oh ok
[01:45] <thoreauputic> DJ-Bug: just choose the default ( top entry) on the boot menu
[01:45] <DJ-Bug> ok
[01:46] <whoiam> Hi all, I need some help with Dansguardian
[01:46] <DJ-Bug> kk i chose top entry just waitin for blank screen now
[01:48] <DJ-Bug> i prese ctrl + alt + back space and it just went to ritin then back blank
[01:49] <Seveas> DJ-Bug, hit <CTRl><ALT><f1>
[01:50] <Seveas> does that brring you back to a lot of text?
[01:50] <we2by> I can't play my dvd movie well
[01:50] <we2by> that damn thing free ever few seconds
[01:50] <we2by> freez
[01:51] <deusx_> huray!! made sound work :p
[01:51] <Seveas> we2by, is dma enabled?
[01:51] <DJ-Bug> now i am i a dos lookin screnn it asked me for my login and that and i loged in and said i got new mail but it is not in a windows and pointer form
[01:51] <deusx_> now mplayer just does not make the movie full screen when in fullscreen mode :/
[01:52] <deusx_> it's just in original size with black border filling the rest
[01:52] <ptlo> deusx_: try mplayer -vo sdl -fs ....
[01:52] <Seveas> DJ-Bug, ok, this means you have a b0rked xorg.conf
[01:52] <Seveas> DJ-Bug, has it worked earlier?
[01:52] <we2by> Seveas, how do I know that?
[01:52] <thoreauputic> deusx_: in the config file, specify "zoom" (or install xine: recommended)
[01:52] <deusx_> thanks
[01:52] <Seveas> we2by, sudo hdparm -d /dev/hdc
[01:53] <DJ-Bug> no the first time turned it on
[01:53] <Seveas> we2by, sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc enables dma, you might want to do that for hda too
[01:53] <Seveas> DJ-Bug, what kind of videocard do you have?
[01:53] <DJ-Bug> built in one
[01:53] <prasad> desux: mplayer vcd://1 -fs -zoom will make the film full screen
[01:53] <Seveas> DJ-Bug, can you type the following: tail -n100 /var/log/xorg.log | less
[01:54] <DJ-Bug> all of that is it ?
[01:54] <deusx_> thanks dude
[01:54] <Seveas> the | is a pipe symbol, usually located above the enter
[01:54] <Seveas> DJ-Bug, yes
[01:54] <we2by> /dev/hdc:
[01:54] <we2by>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[01:54] <we2by>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[01:54] <Seveas> we2by, did you use sudo?
[01:54] <hayden> Seveas, do u know how wpasupplicant works?
[01:55] <we2by> should I pull out the cd first?
[01:55] <we2by> yes, I did
[01:55] <Seveas> hayden, i'm using it right now, so tou might say yes :)
[01:55] <DJ-Bug> says canot open no such file or directory
[01:55] <hayden> Seveas, can you tell me how?
[01:55] <Seveas> we2by, that means you must load your motherboards drivers instead of ide-generic, ide-generic cannot handle dma
[01:55] <Seveas> we2by, please search the forums for more info
[01:56] <we2by> Seveas, what forum?
[01:56] <Seveas> hayden, first apt-get install wpasupplicant
[01:56] <Seveas> we2by, ubuntuforums.org
[01:56] <hayden> yep done that
[01:56] <Seveas> ok
[01:56] <Seveas> hang on
[01:56] <Seveas> do you use only wpa wireless networks?
[01:57] <DJ-Bug> seveas it says tail: cannot open ' var log xorg for reading: No such file or directort
[01:57] <Seveas> DJ-Bug, can you type the following: tail -n100 /var/log/Xorg.0.log | less
[01:57] <Seveas> and you need to use / instead of spaces, just like i type it
[01:58] <DJ-Bug> the 0 dont show up
[01:58] <Seveas> DJ-Bug, no, that's a correction i just made :)
[01:58] <hayden> Seveas, the one at home is
[01:58] <Seveas> hayden, ah you use non-wpa networks too?
[01:58] <hayden> umm mostly at home
[01:58] <hayden> but i might use non-wpa as well yea
[01:59] <DJ-Bug> ok ill test that now
[01:59] <Seveas> hayden, we can do this 2 ways: make a script to manually enable wpa, or let wpa be enabled on boot which means manual tweaking when you want to use non-wpa networks
[01:59] <Seveas> what do you prefer?
[02:00] <hayden> making the script
[02:00] <topyli> ahh. finally connected
[02:00] <we2by> Seveas, no luck
[02:01] <Seveas> hayden, one sec
[02:01] <hayden> ok
[02:02] <topyli> What is the ubuntu representation at debconf going to be like?
[02:02] <topyli> many folks?
[02:03] <DJ-Bug> -
[02:03] <Seveas> hayden, what is the name of your interface and what is the type?
[02:03] <hayden> u mean like wlan0
[02:04] <Seveas> ah, ndiswrapper?
[02:04] <hayden> yea
[02:05] <DJ-Bug> seveas when i type the 0 they dont show up the come up as just    < those gaps
[02:05] <Seveas> DJ-Bug, hmm...
[02:06] <DJ-Bug> :-/
[02:06] <Seveas> hayden, have you configured wpasupplicant already?
[02:06] <Seveas> DJ-Bug, try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:07] <hayden> Seveas, no
[02:07] <slept> where are the files saved that customize xfce4 , there must be other files than the .xfce files ?
[02:08] <thoreauputic> ,config
[02:08] <Seveas> hayden, ok, i suppose you run a WPA TKIP network?
[02:08] <DJ-Bug> i just got a screen up now
[02:08] <hayden> Seveas, yep
[02:08] <toxicfume> hi all
[02:09] <DJ-Bug> i cannot start the x server it is likely it is not set up corectoly whould you like to view the x server output to diagnose the problem?
[02:09] <Seveas> DJ-Bug, yes you want to see that :)
[02:09] <toxicfume> I want to copy the org.conf file to my ubuntu installation...cause ubuntu doesn't display anything on my desktop once it boots into X, now how do i go about doing that in the terminal after logging in?
[02:10] <DJ-Bug> how do i config my x server ?
[02:10] <toxicfume> I have sent the xorg.conf file from the knoppix livecd via email to myself..how do i load it back in in ubuntu via term?
[02:11] <slept> I deleted everything with .xfce purged xfce but still it keeps the old messed up configuration , with a new created user it works fine.Are there  any other files then those in.config/xfce
[02:11] <Seveas> hayden, http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/52 <== the script
[02:11] <Seveas> hayden, http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/53 <== the script
[02:11] <DJ-Bug> do i type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:11] <Robinho_Peixoto> I it tou wanting to make a mirror of i386.  Which is the size of the repository i386?
[02:11] <Seveas> hayden, http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/54 <== the config, you need to change the last few lines
[02:11] <Seveas> Robinho_Peixoto, about 40Gb i believe
[02:11] <toxicfume> can someone help?
[02:11] <slept> DJ-Bug, yes
[02:11] <DJ-Bug> ok
[02:12] <DJ-Bug> woudl i like to auto detect my xsaerver ?
[02:13] <slept> toxicfum1, you can copy it with cp but why don't you just customize your config - whats the problem ?
[02:13] <hussam> Hoary has gnumeric 1.4.2   I rebuilt 1.4.3 from debian sources. YAY.  This is the first time I rebuild/backport a package.
[02:13] <hussam> Ubuntu rocks
[02:13] <hayden> ok thanks
[02:14] <DJ-Bug> how can i tell what video card i got ?
[02:14] <slept> DJ-Bug, lspci
[02:14] <DJ-Bug> wats that ?
[02:14] <slept> a command try it in terminal
[02:14] <Robinho_Peixoto> Seveas : how i make a mirror ?
[02:15] <Robinho_Peixoto> Seveas : do you know ?
[02:15] <DJ-Bug> i got a windo up now askin what my video card is and i got to chose from a list
[02:15] <Seveas> Robinho_Peixoto, there is a howto on the ubuntu site
[02:16] <slept> DJ-Bug, what do you know about your card
[02:16] <Seveas> Robinho_Peixoto, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/mirror/document_view
[02:16] <DJ-Bug> nothin i had it off a mate i got the name of my server and that is
[02:16] <DJ-Bug> it*
[02:17] <Robinho_Peixoto> Seveas, Thanks
[02:17] <thoreauputic> DJ-Bug: accept the default and move on
[02:17] <ACEa> what is wrong with latest libc6-dev ?  linker komplain that crt1.o has wrong format
[02:17] <ACEa> complain even
[02:17] <slept> DJ-Bug, go to a terminal type lspci
[02:17] <toxicfume> can someone help me?
[02:17] <thoreauputic> slept: he's in a console in the ncurses interface of dpkg-reconfigure
[02:18] <slept> he can swith to an other one
[02:18] <Seveas> tt
[02:18] <ali_> hi
[02:18] <thoreauputic> slept: he can, but generally the defaults for dpkg-reconfigure are pretty right
[02:18] <ali_> what's up?
[02:20] <slept> DJ-Bug, look at the result it tells you your hardware  -  Display controller:
[02:21] <slept> thoreauputic, they are but if you have nvidia or ati cards you might ant to use restricted modules
[02:21] <Amaranth> jacquesmerde: Sorry, was having computer troubles.
[02:21] <jacquesmerde> *gasp*
[02:22] <slept> DJ-Bug, did you find out ?
[02:22] <jacquesmerde> btw, i keep having gnome's cd player crash on me. just wondering if this is a common prob?
[02:22] <jacquesmerde> Amaranth, you are tough but fair
[02:23] <ACEa> anyone else having problems with crt1.o in linking?
[02:26] <slept> toxicfume, what video card do have ? you might have no x because of  a missing kernel module , then you knoppic config won't work aswell
[02:28] <Amaranth> everything that depends on gtk was just removed from my system
[02:28] <Amaranth> and i'm on gnome
[02:28] <ACEa> anyone else having problems with ld and libc6-dev 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13
[02:29] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: I guess that would cramp your style a bit...
[02:29] <Shufla> re
[02:29] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: Don't use breezy! ;)
[02:29] <Shufla> ahhh. breezy breave suicider :D
[02:30] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: don't worry - I've only had Hoary for a month ;)
[02:30] <Amaranth> gedit, my poor baby
[02:30] <Amaranth> and muine, by beloved
[02:30] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: and that's enough, it's *old* already :-p
[02:30] <Amaranth> and gnome-panel, the wench
[02:30] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: that's OK - so am I ;-)
[02:31] <Amaranth> brb :D
[02:31] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: fine wines are often old :D
[02:31] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: bah, wines my ...
[02:32] <Fator_Dee> ^_^
[02:32] <mrpete> Hi! Does anyone know if it is possible to use your own fid/vid values in powernowd?
[02:33] <theD3viL> Why my cdrom wont eject??! It says only /dev/cdrom faild to eject!
[02:34] <thoreauputic> theD3viL: try this: sudo cmod +s /usr/bin/eject (then try to eject again)
[02:34] <thoreauputic> sorry sudo chmod
[02:37] <Shufla> just 24 minutes to go :D
[02:37] <theD3viL> thoreauputic, no error, nothing happen ! :S
[02:37] <theD3viL> oh....its eject =)=)
[02:37] <theD3viL> wiiii
[02:37] <theD3viL> tnx :)
[02:37] <thoreauputic> theD3viL: no eject still ??
[02:37] <theD3viL> :>
[02:37] <Rolle> anybody keen on answering a question? ;-) How do I set up ubuntu so that when I make a new user, he/she get more sound etc by default without me having to add it afterwards?
[02:37] <thoreauputic> aha
[02:37] <theD3viL> jap
[02:37] <theD3viL> tnx :?
[02:37] <theD3viL> :*
[02:37] <Shufla> Rolle: more sound?
[02:38] <thoreauputic> theD3viL: it's now running suid root (a minor security risk)
[02:38] <thoreauputic> Rolle: just add the user to the audio group
[02:40] <Shufla> Rolle: or, from your poweruser do: for f in `groups | cut --delimiter=' ' -f 2-` ; do sudo newuser $f ; done
[02:40] <theD3viL> thoreauputic, what? minor means what?
[02:40] <Rolle> thoreauputic, I want all users added to the system being part of the soundgroup
[02:40] <Shufla> Rolle: it'll copy all groups you belnging to
[02:41] <thoreauputic> theD3viL: it means don't worry about it unless you are paranoid
[02:41] <zaydana> can somebody tell me if there is a way to chmod everything recursively except directories?
[02:41] <zaydana> say... i want to set everything in /var/www to 644 and all the directories to 755 ?
[02:41] <Shufla> Rolle: man adduser and man adduser.conf
[02:42] <Rolle> Shufla, man adduser.. *sigh* no shortcuts? ;-)
[02:42] <Rolle> Shufla, thx.. it is friday I really should stop working
[02:42] <Fator_Dee> hihihi, links is almost better than firefox :-p
[02:43] <dcraven_> zaydana: You could use 'find' like "find . -type f" I think will only return files.
[02:44] <zaydana> hmm k
[02:44] <Shufla> Rolle: good idea! :D and that's not so complicated as it seems to be
[02:44] <Shufla> 16 minutes... I can't stand the waiting...
[02:45] <zaydana> dcraven_, so how would i use that with chmod?
[02:46] <dcraven_> zaydana: You could do (test this somewhere first) something like "for i in `find /var/www/ -type f`; do chmod 644 $i; done".
[02:48] <dcraven_> zaydana: The actual command is between the double quotes :)
[02:48] <zaydana> ah cool
[02:49] <HcE> dcraven: a cleaner way is: "find /var/www -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 644" IMHO
[02:49] <dcraven> HcE: Whatever works.
[02:49] <HcE> hehe
[02:49] <HcE> I think find + xargs are quicker than a for-loop
[02:50] <zaydana> nice, that works HcE
[02:50] <zaydana> thanks
[02:50] <HcE> zaydana: same for directories, just change -type f to -type d, and chmod them to 755
[02:50] <zaydana> coolios
[02:50] <zaydana> yeah i already had chmod -R 755 so didn't need to do that one :)
[02:50] <HcE> ah :)
[02:51] <dcraven> bash is fun!
[02:51] <Shuddertrix> yes, bash is real fun!
[02:51] <Shuddertrix> ;)
[02:54] <engine99> #cdlug
[02:54] <dcraven> ...
[02:55] <maxyvits> noob here looking to install gaim 1.3.0 tar.gz in ubuntu ... please help!
[02:56] <desplesda> maxyvits: are you running hoary?
[02:56] <maxyvits> ya
[02:56] <maxyvits> 5.04
[02:56] <engine99> #cdlug
[02:56] <tfar> hi
[02:56] <desplesda> okay, so you've got the source code to gaim 1.3.0 and you want to upgrade?
[02:56] <thoreauputic> engine99:  /join #cdlug maybe?
[02:57] <hussam> isn't gaim 1.3.0 is in backports?
[02:57] <maxyvits> geez, I don't no ... I suppose so.
[02:57] <tfar> how can i decrease my linux partition without losing data?
[02:57] <maxyvits> I'm really a noob
[02:57] <desplesda> it might be in the backports
[02:57] <dcraven> maxyvits: Yeah it's in backports. I'm running it now unfortunately.
[02:57] <desplesda> you could also try getting it from the breezy repo
[02:57] <desplesda> maybe
[02:58] <maxyvits> I extracted the source to my desktop
[02:58] <maxyvits> what do I do next?
[02:58] <Fator_Dee> maxyvits: read the readme
[02:58] <desplesda> maxyvits: you don't want to install from source
[02:58] <maxyvits> oh
[02:58] <desplesda> if you just want to upgrade your version of gaim, you can download the latest package
[02:58] <desplesda> the one in hoary is 1.1.4 and will stay that way forever, since hoary
[02:59] <desplesda> is considered stable
[02:59] <hussam> maxyvits: if you want to install from source, cd in terminal to folder, type ./configure then make then sudo make install
[02:59] <desplesda> maxyvits: do you know how to add extra repositories?
[02:59] <maxyvits> is that in synaptic?
[02:59] <desplesda> not quite
[02:59] <desplesda> okay, open up a terminal
[03:00] <hussam> maxyvits: but you should probably get it from backports
[03:00] <maxyvits> then I guess the answer is: no
[03:00] <maxyvits> I uninstalled gaim 1.14 first.
[03:00] <maxyvits> I guess I shouldn't have, eh?
[03:00] <desplesda> no no, you're ok
[03:01] <desplesda> what you need to do is download the latest version from the backports repository
[03:01] <Seveas> eeeek
[03:01] <Seveas> backports
[03:01] <maxyvits> how do I do that?
[03:01] <desplesda> well it's either that or get it from breezy
[03:01] <desplesda> :P
[03:01] <sylvan> Hi all! I need help! I'm trying to mount my homedir at school using SAMBA. I got it to work manually. The thing is, I need to set up a VPN client first, _then_ I can run "mount /etc/dtek_home".. So I need some way to set it up so the vpn client is started before mounting remote disks.. How can I do that?
[03:01] <desplesda> maxyvits: open up a terminal
[03:01] <maxyvits> and what's a backports repository?
[03:01] <maxyvits> ok
[03:01] <Seveas> or use the old version
[03:01] <maxyvits> done
[03:01] <desplesda> sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_backup
[03:02] <maxyvits> des: ok
[03:02] <maxyvits> did that
[03:02] <desplesda> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:02] <dcraven> Seveas: Bah that's no fun.
[03:02] <tfar> how do i resize my linux partition?
[03:03] <dcraven> tfar: gparted or qparted?
[03:03] <IcemanV9> maxyvits: i installed gaim 1.3.0 from package (gaim.sourceforce.net)
[03:03] <Seveas> tfar, boot from a livecd and use gparted/parted/qtparted
[03:03] <maxyvits> des: ok
[03:03] <dcraven> IcemanV9: Don't they just have RPMs there?
[03:03] <tfar> okay
[03:03] <desplesda> now add these lines to the end of that file:
[03:04] <thoreauputic> dcraven: they have an "autopackage" as well
[03:04] <IcemanV9> dcraven: don't recall if they do ...
[03:04] <desplesda> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ubp hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[03:04] <HolyDevil> Hello, im intrested in installing linux, but i'm not sure my modem supports it... Does anyone know if the modem 'EA103' (USB) supports and have a driver for linux?
[03:04] <desplesda> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ubp hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[03:04] <IcemanV9> dcraven: just autopackage
[03:04] <dcraven> thoreauputic: I see.
[03:04] <ivoks> anyone here knows perl? :)
[03:04] <Seveas> a little
[03:04] <ivoks> Seveas: could you help me with something? it isn't ubuntu related...
[03:04] <Seveas> ivoks, sure
[03:05] <Seveas> but #perl might be of more assistance :)
[03:05] <ivoks> Seveas: yeah, i know..
[03:05] <IcemanV9> dcraven: yea, they do have rpm
[03:05] <dcraven> IcemanV9: I just thought that was *all* they had.
[03:05] <maxyvits> should I separate both sentences by a hard return ("enter")
[03:05] <maxyvits> ?
[03:06] <sylvan> Nobody knows how to edit what programs run (in which order) at bootup?
[03:06] <desplesda> maxyvits: yes
[03:06] <dcraven> IcemanV9: Aside from source of course.
[03:06] <maxyvits> k
[03:06] <desplesda> now save and quit gedit
[03:06] <desplesda> and type sudo apt-get update
[03:06] <IcemanV9> dcraven: heh. exe (windoze), rpm, autopackage & source are what they have :)
[03:07] <dcraven> sylvan: I think you have some play in /etc/rcS.d/. They are run in alphnumeric order I beleive.
[03:07] <dcraven> IcemanV9: I've never tried this autopackage thing.
[03:07] <maxyvits> des: the sentences are exactly the same.
[03:08] <desplesda> maxyvits: i think you'll find they aren't
[03:08] <maxyvits> oh, they're not
[03:08] <maxyvits> oopsies
[03:08] <maxyvits> :D
[03:08] <desplesda> :)
[03:08] <sl3yker_Com_Linu> algem do brasil?
[03:08] <IcemanV9> dcraven: it worked as i installed gaim 1.3.0; autopackage reminded me of wise packaging (windoze side)
[03:08] <desplesda> now run sudo apt-get update
[03:08] <dcraven> IcemanV9: I should make one for my project just for kicks.
[03:08] <Choubaka> linux distros should standardise upon autopackage.
[03:08] <HolyDevil> Does anyone know if the modem 'EA103' (USB) supports and have a driver for linux?
[03:09] <maldito> I have a quick question.  Is there anyway to manually flush the cached memory, other than cycling the box.  It is to get around a vmware workstation problem.
[03:09] <Choubaka> cooperate to create dependency mapping and integration with native packaging systems.
[03:09] <thoreauputic> maldito: sync ?
[03:09] <Choubaka> because autopackage is smart. :)
[03:09] <desplesda> maldito: if you mean virtual memory then you can try swapoff && swapon -a
[03:09] <maxyvits> des: error message: Type 'dep' is not known on line 28 in source list /etc/apt/sources list
[03:10] <maldito> thoraeuputic: sync flushes the disk cache, I want to flush the memory
[03:10] <desplesda> maxyvits: may i /msg you?
[03:10] <maxyvits> absolutely
[03:10] <maldito> desplesda: thanks gonna try it now.
[03:11] <felipebisbal> hello to everybody... I need some  help from you :D
[03:12] <Kalidarn> is it possible to do network installs of Ubuntu? its not mentioned in the documentation
[03:12] <maldito> desplesda: no luck
[03:12] <desplesda> :(
[03:12] <Kalidarn> would likes to run a simple floppy install of it.
[03:12] <bhilton> I'm getting an error while setting up ndiswrapper for my wireless card.
[03:12] <bhilton> The error is...Can't find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build;
[03:12] <bhilton>   give the path to kernel sources with KSRC=<path> argument to make
[03:12] <thoreauputic> maxyvits: typo for "deb" ?
[03:12] <bhilton> I'm guessing I need to set up a ln of some sort.
[03:13] <dcraven> bhilton: Are you following the wiki page?
[03:13] <Kalidarn> can anyone hear me?
[03:13] <dcraven> Kalidarn: Pardon?
[03:13] <bhilton> I wasn't able to find anything there.
[03:13] <Kalidarn> i asked earlier today, but i never got any acknowlagement i said something
[03:13] <bhilton> Maybe it's my own oversite.
[03:13] <dcraven> bhilton: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[03:13] <Kalidarn> i thought that maybe the nickserv wasn't identifying me properly.
[03:13] <bhilton> Cool thanks!
[03:13] <thoreauputic> Kalidarn: that would be because you don't exist ;-)
[03:14] <Kalidarn> lol
[03:14] <desplesda> Kalidarn: we can hear you, but if nobody's answering then you can probably assume that nobody knows the answer to your problem
[03:14] <Kalidarn> lol
[03:14] <Kalidarn> so u mean ubuntu can't do floppy network installs
[03:14] <felipebisbal> i've allready installed kubuntu, and the resolution of the screen is 1024x768, but i rather more resolution (it's possible in windows), but in screen properties i cannot do it, there is no option for it, can I do it on another way?
[03:14] <Kalidarn> and it can only use CD.... and on a notebook without a cd drive, and where USB CDrives are still faulty, that means its impossible for me to install ubuntu right on it?
[03:14] <thoreauputic> Kalidarn: I believe it can be done from a debian floppy/cd but I don't know how, sorry
[03:15] <IcemanV9> Kalidarn: NetbootInstallHowto: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetbootInstallHowto
[03:16] <Kalidarn> okay
[03:16] <IcemanV9> Kalidarn: InstallWithFloppiesHowto: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto
[03:16] <Kalidarn> so how did u find that using the search engine?
[03:16] <IcemanV9> Kalidarn: your best friend - google :)
[03:16] <maldito> Kalidarn: damn, beat me to it.  Gotta love goole.
[03:17] <sylvan> dcraven: so where would be the appropriate place to put the startup of a vpn client?
[03:17] <felipebisbal> somebody can help me?
[03:18] <maldito> felispebisbal: yes, you can edit your xorg.conf file to use the resolution you want as long as it is supported.  I am sure that there is a gui for it, but I am used to the conf file.
[03:18] <Tsingi> I'm getting linking errors on a file crt1.o in /usr/lib  what's the easiest way to resource this file?
[03:18] <Tsingi> (new install)
[03:18] <IcemanV9> felipebisbal: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21984&highlight=video+resolution
[03:19] <maldito> felipebisal: I found the tool in ubuntu, it's called Screen Resolution under system > preferences, but I am not sure where it is on the kubuntu desktop.
[03:20] <dcraven> sylvan: I don't think I'm gonna be much help with that.
[03:21] <dcraven> felipebisbal: You may have to add larger resolutions to the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file.
[03:21] <maxyvits> yes thor: definitely a typo
[03:22] <Tsingi> can anyone tell me how to verify and/or replace an install file?
[03:22] <thoreauputic> maxyvits: am i massively lagged or are you just slow? ;-)
[03:23] <maxyvits> hahahaha
[03:23] <maxyvits> sorry ... I'm in a personal convo with des
[03:23] <dcraven> Tsingi: An install file as in a .deb?
[03:23] <sylvan> okay.. So if I want to start a program which I _know_ will ask me "are you sure", can I then somehow automatically pass it "y" on stdin?
[03:23] <thoreauputic> maxyvits: no worries :)
[03:23] <Tsingi> no, sorry, gcc is telling me /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/../../../crt1.o: file not recognized: File format not recognized
[03:24] <Tsingi> (/usr/lib/crt1.o)
[03:24] <sylvan> ah: echo "y" | myprog, worked
[03:24] <desplesda> sylvan: if you want to do less keystrokes then you can also do 'yes | yourprog'
[03:25] <dcraven> sylvan: Nice.. hehe.. The program may have a commandline switch as well.
[03:25] <dcraven> sylvan: The expect program is useful for situations like that too sometimes.
[03:25] <IcemanV9> sylvan: have u take a look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/OpenVPNClientMiniHowto ??
[03:26] <AirWays> My irssi was stopped but it still running, as I  can see it in ps -x, how I can get it back?
[03:27] <dcraven> AirWays: You could always killall irssi and restart it.
[03:27] <yonil> I keep getting Permission Denied  when trying to run an application, even when i run with sudo ! (and everyone got executing permissions)... what can be the problem ?
[03:28] <dcraven> Tsingi: That's a weird one. Possible you are using gcc4 and that object file was compiled with gcc3? I dunno if that would be an issue or not.
[03:28] <Tsingi> dcraven: gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)
[03:29] <thoreauputic> Pop_pa_FrEaK: the *really nice people* on the IRC channel </joke>
[03:29] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> lol that is one good reason
[03:30] <thoreauputic> Pop_pa_FrEaK: the brilliant package management
[03:30] <no0tic> have anyone had problems in the last kernel update?
[03:30] <Shuddertrix> good community support, there's apt (pretty sure that theres something similar on SUSE, however..)
[03:30] <thoreauputic> Pop_pa_FrEaK: the 16000 plus available packages...
[03:30] <Shuddertrix> it's cleaner, too.
[03:31] <IcemanV9> Pop_pa_FrEaK: it JUST worked "out of the box"
[03:31] <GNAM> i've update an hoary i386 to latest kernel 2.6.10 with synaptic
[03:31] <dcraven> Pop_pa_FrEaK: If you came here to ask, then you wanna switch anyway right ;P
[03:31] <blight> anyone know where I might find a tomcat 5.5.9 package?
[03:31] <GNAM> menu.lst of grup - corrupted
[03:31] <Tsingi> dcraven: if I do `nm /usr/lib/crt1.o I` get `nm: /usr/lib/crt1.o: File format not recognized`
[03:31] <GNAM> x - don't start
[03:31] <GNAM> ah
[03:31] <GNAM> b
[03:31] <[HS] arnakin> could someone tell me on witch linux version is ubuntu based for webmin install ...
[03:31] <Shuddertrix> It will not eat your food, it will not destroy your flooring, and it will not put claret all over the boot of your motor.
[03:31] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> lol dcraven
[03:32] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> and ubuntu is #1 on distrowatch
[03:32] <netmonk> when i have a new kernel do i nee the older ones and if I don't, how do i remove them? anyone?
[03:32] <dcraven> Tsingi: That's weird... What does "file /usr/lib/crt1.o" say?
[03:33] <dcraven> Pop_pa_FrEaK: Rest assured I think you'll like it if you try it.
[03:33] <[HS] arnakin> what is distrowatch ?
[03:33] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> oh what the hay I'll try out ubuntu right now
[03:33] <Tsingi> dcraven: /usr/lib/crt1.o: ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped
[03:33] <Shuddertrix> It's the only distro I find usable on my desktop, too
[03:33] <Tsingi> dcraven: it seems corrupt
[03:33] <bigfoot> hello. I got a package called gmailfs via Synaptic. (http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html) GmailFS provides a mountable Linux filesystem which uses your Gmail
[03:33] <bigfoot> account as its storage medium. GmailFS is a Python application and uses the FUSE userland filesystem infrastructure to help provide the filesystem, and libgmail to communicate with Gmail. In order to use gmailfs, the info said that i must use fuse-source to compile appropriate modules for my running kernel. Can anyone tell me how to do this? Sorry for the long post.
[03:33] <Shuddertrix> It must be the gnome config that I haven't seen on other distros.
[03:34] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ok brb need to install ubuntu
[03:34] <[HS] arnakin> pl someone tell me on witch linux version is ubuntu based ? is that debian ?
[03:34] <yonil> I keep getting Permission Denied  when trying to run an application, even when i run with sudo ! (and everyone got executing permissions)... what can be the problem ?
[03:34] <dcraven> Tsingi: It does. I dunno what else would cause that, but we have likely not exhausted all options. I have no idea though.
[03:34] <alkdevil> netmonk: if you verified that the new kernel _works_, you could delete the old ones, residing in /boot/. Make also sure that the link /vmlinuz and /boot/vmlinuz point to your new kernel
[03:34] <Shaquile> Damn.. I have /home on one partition that I intend to save. But when I get into the Installer Menu and are about to partition the harddrive it's not there, it have already made it's own suggested partitions. What should I do?
[03:34] <RetardedMonkey> whoa
[03:34] <Shuddertrix> [HS] arnakin: Ubuntu is debian-based, but don't go telling #debian that.
[03:34] <RetardedMonkey> huge irc channel
[03:35] <alkdevil> netmonk: but why do you think the old kernel is so bad? just takes a few kilobytes of hd space and they really do not hurt
[03:35] <Tsingi> dcraven: this is the first compile I've tried, not sure what crt1 is, I'll try compiling some of my dev projects and see if I get similar errors
[03:35] <netmonk> alkdevil, i see
[03:35] <bigfoot> Seveas, hi!
[03:35] <RetardedMonkey> Now, this is probably an idiot question... but does Ubuntu support NTFS?
[03:35] <Shaquile> Nevermind.. I got it now...
[03:35] <felipebisbal> in ubuntu es nautilus... wich is the same command in kubuntu???????
[03:35] <Shuddertrix> RetardedMonkey: NTFS support comes read-only in the kernel.
[03:36] <RetardedMonkey> Alright that's awesome.
[03:36] <netmonk> at boot time i have this long list of kernels. I change it from menu.lst but after i upgrade to new kernel they all come back ;)
[03:36] <Tsingi> dcraven: more of the same
[03:36] <Riddell> felipebisbal: konqueror
[03:36] <Shuddertrix> felipebisbal: nautilus is to gnome as konqueror is to kde/kubuntu
[03:36] <Tsingi> dcraven: I'd like to try replacing the file somehow
[03:36] <GNAM> mee too netmonk
[03:36] <RetardedMonkey> I have a 200GB NTFS drive that I am trying not to format as well... however it seems to successfully write files to it, I might have to.
[03:36] <GNAM> menu.lst corrupted
[03:36] <GNAM> auau
[03:37] <ACEa> use lilo, it's simpler ;)
[03:37] <alkdevil> netmonk: in this case i would rather just move the old kernels away from boot, so the bootmanager does not find them, when it runs
[03:37] <dcraven> Tsingi: I'm trying to remember how to determine what package a file came in... I can't remember.
[03:37] <netmonk> alkdevil, i see
[03:37] <netmonk> thank you ;)
[03:37] <alkdevil> alkdevil: I used to run into situations where i was pretty happy to be able to boot up with the old kernel
[03:38] <dcraven> alkdevil: Talking to yourself again? ;P
[03:38] <Tsingi> dcraven: looking through package manager
[03:38] <alkdevil> whoops
[03:38] <dcraven> heh
[03:38] <bigfoot> anybody know how to compile with fuse-source?
[03:38] <RetardedMonkey> With the read-only support of NTFS, will I be able to install Ubuntu first, then backup everything from the NTFS drive onto DVD then reformat the NTFS drive into something of a more likeable file system?
[03:39] <alkdevil> alkdevil: alkdevil, you rule :o
[03:40] <dcraven> lol
[03:40] <ACEa> RetardedMonkey why not just use a liveCD ?
[03:40] <FlyingSquirrel32> anyone heard of connecting a blackberry to linux?
[03:40] <RetardedMonkey> livecd of ubuntu?
[03:40] <dcraven> FlyingSquirrel32: It's just bluetooth isn't it?
[03:40] <RetardedMonkey> basically.. i want windows gone.
[03:40] <RetardedMonkey> gone gone gone :)
[03:40] <refuze2looze> RetardedMonkey: yes, you just can't write to it (although it is possible to do so if you install some other stuff)
[03:40] <Tsingi> dcraven: I wonder if I could find it on the live cd?
[03:40] <FlyingSquirrel32> dcraven, no no bluetooth, at least not on mine. serial or usb.
[03:41] <RetardedMonkey> So there's a way of writing to an NTFS drive through Ubuntu?
[03:41] <dcraven> Tsingi: That's possible. I don't have a livecd to check.
[03:41] <Fator_Dee> RetardedMonkey: you could screw your files with writing to ntfs
[03:41] <refuze2looze> RetardedMonkey: there is a way.. but you probably should not depend on it..
[03:41] <alkdevil> does anyone else experience problems running azureus with jre-1.4.2_05? I have extremely slow downloads, which are much faster with btdownloadcurses (same time, same tracker). And yes, I have forwarded the bt-ports ....
[03:41] <felipebisbal> I cannot save changes in xorg.conf.... i've opened the file with konqueror... how can I save the changes?
[03:41] <refuze2looze> RetardedMonkey: why don't you burn the stuff to DVD before installing ubuntu?
[03:41] <refuze2looze> in windows
[03:42] <alkdevil> felipebisbal: make sure you can write to the directory
[03:42] <dcraven> felipebisbal: You need to be root.
[03:42] <alkdevil> felipebisbal: try /tmp
[03:42] <Tsingi> dcraven: nah, any suggestions on who to ask?
[03:42] <alkdevil> felipebisbal: and copy the file over using sudo
[03:42] <refuze2looze> felipebisbal: just do "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" in a terminal and edit it there
[03:43] <RetardedMonkey> refuze2looze: tis a great idea you speak of :P might do that.. thanks for your help.
[03:43] <refuze2looze> np
[03:43] <dcraven> Tsingi: I dunno.. I could always give you mine if you like.
[03:43] <felipebisbal> I've have done it, but i cannot change resolution still
[03:44] <Tsingi> dcraven: ok, let's try that
[03:44] <bigfoot> hello everyone! Is anyone familiar with compiling? I'm a 2 week old newbie into Linux/Ubuntu from Windows. Thank you.
[03:44] <Tsingi> dcraven: email?
[03:44] <IcemanV9> felipebisbal: did u restart X?
[03:44] <refuze2looze> bigfoot: do you have a specific question?
[03:44] <dcraven> Tsingi: http://arker.homelinux.org/~dcraven/crt1.o
[03:44] <FlyingSquirrel32> RetardedMonkey: I love your nickname, wish I had thought of that :-D
[03:44] <felipebisbal> restart X??  what's X??
[03:44] <RetardedMonkey> :P
[03:44] <RetardedMonkey> Where did you retrieve FlyingSquirrel32 from?
[03:45] <felipebisbal> restart computer?
[03:45] <Fator_Dee> FlyingSquirrel32: I think RetardedSquirrel would be better
[03:45] <alkdevil> felipebisbal: X is the graphic part
[03:45] <jmjones> anyone know how to configure a synaptics touchpad on a laptop so it does vertical scrolling?
[03:45] <RetardedMonkey> I also have the alias RetardedPanda
[03:45] <refuze2looze> felipebisbal: X is the windows-like GUI above the linux kernel.. CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE restarts X
[03:45] <alkdevil> felipebisbal: just press Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[03:45] <FlyingSquirrel32> my boss's wild imagination, go figure...
[03:45] <FlyingSquirrel32> I don't have that kind of imagination.
[03:45] <dcraven> I like RetardedDcraven
[03:46] <alkdevil> felipebisbal: after you make sure to run command-line irc .....
[03:46] <bigfoot> hello refuze2looze: it's about compiling with fuse-source. The text of another package says that I need to compile with "fuse-source" in order to make things work. But I have no idea what this is all about. Coming from a point and click Windows life...
[03:46] <RetardedMonkey> I do get kicked out of places though
[03:46] <reka> well, there *are* flying foxes.
[03:46] <RetardedMonkey> 'Your name is offensive'
[03:46] <RetardedMonkey> or
[03:46] <RetardedMonkey> 'That nickname is not acceptable'
[03:46] <IcemanV9> felipebisbal: you should be able to see new resolution after restart X
[03:46] <reka> RetardedMonkey: maybe you should stay out of #monkeys then. ;-)
[03:47] <RetardedMonkey> :P
[03:47] <RetardedMonkey> That's what im going to miss without Windows
[03:47] <RetardedMonkey> Gaming :P
[03:47] <hayden> can u ppl see this?
[03:47] <refuze2looze> bigfoot: there's fuse-source package in synaptic. there isn't a binary package for what you're trying to instlall?
[03:47] <RetardedMonkey> But hey, games will only be good once they support linux.
[03:48] <Tsingi> dcraven: they're different
[03:48] <nubbe> is there any way to make Nautilus display a simple list and/or (most importantly) choose/mark with the mouse like it's possible in icon-view?
[03:48] <bigfoot> refuze2looze, well, I don't think so. What i want to install is gmailfs. but i couldn't find a binary in either synaptic or the creator's homepage.
[03:48] <we2by> games on linux sucks
[03:48] <dcraven> Tsingi: Different as in it works?
[03:48] <we2by> :P
[03:48] <refuze2looze> RetardedMonkey: there's quite a lot of games supported nowadays actually, especially with cedega
[03:48] <Shuddertrix> Cedega helps a lot.
[03:48] <dcraven> Tsingi: I'm thinking they should be different heh
[03:48] <RetardedMonkey> Good to hear
[03:48] <Tsingi> dcraven: no, haven't actually swapped them yet, moveing slow here:)
[03:49] <RetardedMonkey> Anyway, thanks for all your helps.
[03:49] <Fator_Dee> we2by: well, everyone has the right to an opinion
[03:49] <dcraven> Tsingi: :)
[03:49] <dcraven> we2by: ETF rules!
[03:49] <refuze2looze> bigfoot: i see a package for gmailfs in synaptic. do you have multiverse and universe enabled?
[03:49] <we2by> dcraven, ETF?
[03:49] <we2by> I play ET
[03:49] <Tsingi> dcraven: why should they be different?  mine is bigger than yours by 16 bytes
[03:49] <reka> nubbe: i'd be interested in an answer afaik you can't select multiples in list mode without holding shift or ctrl.
[03:49] <we2by> but dunno what ETF is
[03:49] <dcraven> Team fortress using the et engine.
[03:50] <we2by> cool
[03:50] <dcraven> we2by: www.etfgame.com
[03:50] <bigfoot> refuze2looze, yes i have both multi and uni enabled. And i've already downloaded gmailfs package. But now I have no idea what to do.
[03:50] <we2by> like hl???
[03:50] <dcraven> we2by: No. Like q3tf.
[03:50] <nubbe> reka, my experience too  :(
[03:50] <we2by> dcraven, like tf with hl online?
[03:50] <dcraven> we2by: Yeah it's like that.
[03:50] <dcraven> Tsingi: I thought different might be good since we suspect yours was corrupt.
[03:51] <we2by> cool
[03:51] <choichoi> hello
[03:51] <dcraven> we2by: Engineers, paramedics, soldiers, HW etc etc.
[03:51] <dcraven> choichoi: Hi.
[03:51] <reka> nubbe: maybe try a different fm if you're desperate.  i just resorted to using icon view in 50%
[03:51] <we2by> I wabba be the h. guy
[03:51] <choichoi> I would like to know if it is possible to use 32 bits program over 64bits system ?
[03:51] <Tsingi> dcraven: yeah, but I get the same error, must be something else.
[03:51] <we2by> with the machine gun :)
[03:51] <dcraven> we2by: Go for it.
[03:52] <Tsingi> dcraven what does gcc --version say on your box?
[03:52] <dcraven> Tsingi: 3.3.6
[03:53] <Tsingi> hmm, wonder why I have 3.3.5, no matter they're pretty close
[03:53] <we2by> cool
[03:53] <bigfoot> refuze2looze, actually the creator's homepage has more info on installing the package than Synaptic does. But I'm not technical enough to understand it. 8-(
[03:53] <nubbe> reka, not desperate yet, just thought it SHOULD be possible to do that...
[03:53] <we2by> :=)
[03:53] <refuze2looze> bigfoot: what happens when you try to mount it now?
[03:53] <dcraven> dcraven: Actually that should say 4.0.. Thanks for reminding me.. I changed the symlink.
[03:53] <bigfoot> how do i mount? Can I mount in Nautilus?
[03:53] <dcraven> There now I'm talking to myself.
[03:53] <Fator_Dee> dcraven: your body lacks caffeine
[03:54] <Shuddertrix> bigfoot: no, use the fstab for gmailfs
[03:54] <alkdevil> hehe
[03:54] <choichoi> no 64 bits users here ?
[03:54] <spektr> I'm missing the man pages for the glibc library functions. Does anybody know to which package they belong?
[03:54] <refuze2looze> bigfoot: you have to add an entry in fstab for it and then mount it.. are you familiar with mounting drives?
[03:54] <Tsingi> dcraven: is there a list I can post to?  This is pretty serious.  I can't compile.
[03:54] <IcemanV9> dcraven is under alkdevil's spell! (for talking to himself)
[03:54] <bigfoot> Shuddertrix, hi. what's fstab? and how do i use it?
[03:54] <dcraven> Fator_Dee: I'm trying to remedy that.
[03:55] <bigfoot> refuze2looze, the only familiarity i have with mounting drives is when I put in a cd into my cdrom drive... it plays automatically! 8-)
[03:55] <refuze2looze> bigfoot: try to skip down to "Using GmailFS" on this page http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html
[03:55] <alkdevil> dcraven: spell, spell *pulls out his lightsaber*
[03:55] <Shuddertrix> go down and read Using gmailfs.. edit your fstab with 'sudo gedit /etc/fstab'
[03:55] <dcraven> Tsingi: You could try ubuntu-devel, but I'd search the forum first. And don't tell them I sent you... haha
[03:55] <bigfoot> refuze2looze, okay. So you're saying we don't have to worry about the "Installing gmailfs" part?
[03:55] <Tsingi> hehe
[03:56] <Tsingi> on irc?
[03:56] <refuze2looze> bigfoot: when it tells you to create an entry in fstab what you have to do is open up console and type in "sudo gedit /etc/fstab" and copy exactly what they have to the end of it
[03:56] <Shuddertrix> bigfoot: If you used the debian package, you already installed it.
[03:56] <dcraven> Tsingi: Mailing list. Or irc I suppose. Both exist.
[03:56] <we2by> dcraven, thanks alot man
[03:56] <refuze2looze> bigfoot: and then the mounting part has to be also done as root, put "sudo" in front of the mount command in terminal
[03:56] <Shuddertrix> refuze2looze: Not exactly.
[03:56] <bigfoot> oh, i see. whew, one step done. yahoo. okay, on to the next step: mounting.
[03:56] <Tsingi> dcraven: k, thanks
[03:56] <jbailey> spektr: manpages-dev
[03:56] <pfp> spektr: manpages-dev
[03:56] <reka> nubbe: i agree.  and if it was implemented, i'd use it.
[03:57] <refuze2looze> Shuddertrix: oh yeah, the username and password..
[03:57] <dcraven> Tsingi: Hard to say how OT that is. It might be relevent. Have you been dabbling in breezy at all?
[03:57] <felipebisbal> I did the thing you told me (Ctrl + Alt + backspace) and it fail...
[03:57] <Shuddertrix> And the location of the perl file
[03:57] <Tsingi> no, I just installed yesterday, 5.04
[03:57] <Shuddertrix> It's /usr/share/gmailfs/gmailfs.py
[03:57] <felipebisbal> the screen was black, just with letters, no graphics
[03:57] <refuze2looze> and path of mount point
[03:57] <Shuddertrix> Python, i mean.
[03:57] <alkdevil> felipebisbal: yeah, sorry. I should have told you that all the graphical stuff restarts then
[03:57] <dcraven> we2by: No problem. I may just see you in a game later ;)
[03:57] <spektr> pfp, jbailey: thank you!
[03:57] <alkdevil> felipebisbal: it obviously killed your chat client as well
[03:57] <thoreauputic> Tsingi: have you installed build-essential ?
[03:57] <Shuddertrix> Your fstab should have a line like
[03:58] <refuze2looze> bigfoot: use /gmail or something like that for the path of mount point, and don't forget to create it "sudo mkdir /gmail" before trying to mount it
[03:58] <felipebisbal> I've done to reboot and undo the change i did
[03:58] <Tsingi> thoreauputic: not sure what that is, although is sounds important:)
[03:58] <alkdevil> felipebisbal: are you sure that you specified a valid resolution when you edited the config file?
[03:58] <thoreauputic> Tsingi: install it right away
[03:58] <thoreauputic> Tsingi: :)
[03:58] <refuze2looze> bigfoot: good luck i have to go now
[03:58] <felipebisbal> yes... is the resolution that windows use
[03:58] <felipebisbal> 1268x800
[03:58] <thoreauputic> Tsingi: you can't compile without the stuff in that
[03:59] <alkdevil> felipebisbal: can you switch back to the character terminal (ctrl+alt+f1) to check the error messages there
[03:59] <maxyvits> Hey des, got gaim working!
[03:59] <alkdevil> felipebisbal: wait
[03:59] <dcraven> thoreauputic: Doesn't sound like that kinda problem, but it might do something magical.
[03:59] <maxyvits> the new version too
[03:59] <Tsingi> Oh, I installed a lot of stuff.  I'm developing with GTK
[03:59] <Shuddertrix> /usr/share/gmailfs/gmailfs.py /mnt/gmailfs gmailfs noauto,username=whatever,password=whatever,fsname=whatever
[03:59] <alkdevil> felipebisbal: you come back to X with Strg+alt+f6 (keep that in mind :)
[03:59] <dcraven> thoreauputic: It'd be cool if that was it.
[03:59] <thoreauputic> dcraven: yes :)
[03:59] <alkdevil> felipebisbal: you come back to X with ctrl+alt+f6 (keep that in mind :)
[03:59] <bigfoot> Shuddertrix, okay, i've opened up terminal, ran  "sudo gedit /etc/fstab" and got gedit open up with a file called fstab.
[03:59] <lazarus> How to fix this? "You appear to be using the Firefox package provided by Ubuntu Linux. Ubuntu distributed a new version of Firefox which contains the security fixes from Firefox 1.0.4, however, they did not update the version number, so we have no way to tell whether your copy of Firefox contains the security fixes or not."
[03:59] <Shuddertrix> add what I typed up there, using your own username, password, and fs name
[04:00] <maxyvits> lazarus: it's in about:config
[04:00] <alkdevil> felipebisbal: hmm, have you tried switching between the resolutions with Ctrl+alt++ and ctrl+alt+- ?
[04:00] <thoreauputic> lazarus: vendor string - change to 1.0.4
[04:00] <lazarus> maxyvits, Thank you.
[04:00] <Fator_Dee> lazarus: where did you get that?
[04:00] <Shuddertrix> mount it with the command 'sudo mkdir /mnt/gmailfs && sudo mount /mnt/gmailfs'
[04:01] <Tsingi> thoreauputic: no, I don't have it installed, asking me for a disc for some reason, get back to you
[04:01] <dcraven> All of this etf talk makes me wanna go play.
[04:01] <bigfoot> i'll add it to the bottom of the fstab file right? and what do i put for fsname?
[04:01] <bigfoot> anything?
[04:01] <Shuddertrix> chmod the directory if need be (with 'chmod 755 /mnt/gmailfs') and enjoy your new 2.2gb drive space
[04:01] <maxyvits> change vendor string to 1.0.4
[04:01] <Shuddertrix> yeah, at the bottom
[04:01] <shanon> Can someone give a pointer on how I can install mplayer? I am having dependency problems following the unofficial guide.
[04:01] <hussam> how do I make a .deb package from source.tar.gz ?
[04:01] <Shuddertrix> use a random name for the fsname
[04:01] <thoreauputic> Tsingi: yes, it's o the install disc
[04:01] <thoreauputic> *on
[04:01] <Tiboz> hey all
[04:01] <gromf> hello
[04:02] <lazarus> Fator_Dee, from firefox home page for extension.
[04:02] <Shuddertrix> the files get emailed in your gmail, you can set up a gmail filter to filter that fsname to a different gmail folder.
[04:02] <Tiboz> anyone knows when breezy will be usable ?
[04:02] <dcraven> Tsingi: You can comment out the CD source near the top of /etc/apt/sources.list if you want to get all of your packages from online.
[04:02] <gromf> Can someone help me with the livecd ?
[04:02] <dcraven> Tiboz: Late summer.
[04:02] <maxyvits> speaking of gmail, is there a gmail notifier for linux?
[04:02] <Tiboz> dcraven: ok thanks
[04:02] <dcraven> maxyvits: mail-notification does that.
[04:02] <Tsingi> thoreauputic: ahh
[04:02] <Shuddertrix> maxyvits: mail-notification or the firefox extension
[04:02] <thoreauputic> Tsingi: success?
[04:03] <gromf> I have a litlle problem with my laptop and the livecd...
[04:03] <bigfoot> Shuddertrix, pardon my ignorance but what's the significance of fsname?
[04:03] <dcraven> maxyvits: Or write a little script using python-libgmail sounds fun too :)
[04:03] <Shuddertrix> What I just said up there, and to help you not get random files in your gmail's file system
[04:03] <Shuddertrix> Also, not having it will make gmailfs not mount.
[04:03] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> I'm back and have ubuntu installed
[04:03] <reka> gromf: just ask the question :-)
[04:03] <Tsingi> thoreauputic: installed
[04:04] <dcraven> Pop_pa_FrEaK: You like?
[04:04] <Tiboz> dcraven: why is it taking so long ?
[04:04] <thoreauputic> Tsingi: well, see if you can build now
[04:04] <Tiboz> it was much shorter for hoary
[04:04] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> dcraven so far so good
[04:04] <dcraven> Tiboz: Major changes.
[04:05] <Tiboz> ok
[04:05] <bigfoot> Shuddertrix, i tried to mount it as you said, but i got this response in terminal: " old style mounting not supported"
[04:05] <Tiboz> what changes ?
[04:05] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> but use to kde look so will have to get use to gnome
[04:05] <dcraven> Tiboz: gcc 4 is a biggie.
[04:05] <Shuddertrix> Odd, I am getting the same thing..
[04:05] <Tiboz> ok
[04:05] <Tiboz> :)
[04:05] <Tsingi> thoreauputic: didn't change anything tho
[04:05] <dcraven> Tiboz: X refactoring.
[04:05] <Tsingi> thoreauputic: I did that, same error
[04:05] <thoreauputic> Tsingi: rats :(
[04:05] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> downloading updates right now
[04:05] <bigfoot> Shuddertrix, so you have a gmail account, too? isn't it great?
[04:05] <Tsingi> thoreauputic: I think that file is a stub for dependancies, It didn't grab any
[04:06] <thoreauputic> Tsingi: ah well, worth a try
[04:06] <jac1> hi@all
[04:06] <Tsingi> thoreauputic: yes
[04:06] <bigfoot> hi jac1
[04:06] <dcraven> Pop_pa_FrEaK: There is always kubuntu as well. Or install KDE with apt.
[04:06] <reka> Pop_pa_FrEaK: well, you could install kde.  and then there's kubuntu
[04:06] <dcraven> teehee
[04:06] <Shuddertrix> Had mine since blogger.
[04:06] <Tiboz> dcraven: thanks for the informations
[04:06] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> lol
[04:06] <Tsingi> thoreauputic: I'll ask on devel
[04:06] <Shuddertrix> Was one of the first people to get one.. heh
[04:06] <thoreauputic> Tsingi: yes it's a metapackage
[04:06] <reka> dcraven: i loathe you :-)
[04:06] <dcraven> lol
[04:07] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> downloading right now at 366 kbps
[04:07] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> sweet
[04:07] <bigfoot> so what do we do now that i get that terminal response " old style mounting not supported"?
[04:07] <[HS] arnakin> pl someone could help config samba ?? /q me !! thx
[04:07] <[HS] arnakin> pl someone could help config samba ?? /q me !! thx
[04:07] <jac1> I've got a problem with my X.org... ( i apt-getted the nvidia glx and kernel, nut now, when i try to run a OpenGl app, my server crashes...)
[04:08] <Fator_Dee> jac1: did you enable it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[04:08] <jac1> yes
[04:08] <Fator_Dee> jac1: look at the xorg.logs
[04:08] <jac1> ok....
[04:08] <Fator_Dee> there should be something
[04:09] <IcemanV9> [HS] arnakin: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[04:09] <[HS] arnakin> pl someone could help config samba ?? /q me !! thx !! got some speed problems, cant copy any files or just really some files always sane error : path too long or something like that pl help
[04:09] <jac1> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load GLX
[04:09] <bigfoot> Shuddertrix, have you been able to configure gmailfs on your computer ?
[04:10] <dcraven> jac1: does "lsmod | grep nvidia" show anything?
[04:10] <bigfoot> i meant set up... Shuddertrix
[04:10] <[HS] arnakin> ty
[04:10] <jac1> nvidia               4569532  8
[04:10] <toxicfum1> hi all
[04:10] <dcraven> jac1: Well there goes my idea then :)
[04:10] <jac1> :-(
[04:10] <jac1> ty
[04:10] <jac1> for trying
[04:11] <toxicfum1> i opened xorg.conf to make some changes ..but now when i press ctrl+o to save..it doesn't let me..it says i have no permissions to open file for writing...how do i save this file now?
[04:11] <Fator_Dee> toxicfum1: edit it with sudo
[04:11] <toxicfum1> Fator_Dee: how?
[04:11] <Fator_Dee> toxicfum1: as in, "sudo gedit filetoedit"
[04:11] <dcraven> toxicfum1: You need to edit it as root. For now you can save it in your /home or /tmp or something and then copy it as sudo.
[04:11] <toxicfum1> ah okay, thanks
[04:11] <Fator_Dee> toxicfum1: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:12] <Tiboz> better save it in /tmp than in /home
[04:12] <Tiboz> no the contrary sorry
[04:12] <Fator_Dee> toxicfum1: you can replace gedit with an editor you like
[04:12] <Tiboz> in /home than in /tmp
[04:12] <Shuddertrix> It used to work, must be a new package.
[04:12] <dcraven> jac1: There may be some useful info in the lines around that error in the log.
[04:12] <reka> wouldn't editing the file itself be more efficient?
[04:12] <dcraven> jac1: s/around/surrounding
[04:12] <Shuddertrix> perhaps fixed in gmailfs 0.4, that I believe apt doesn't have..
[04:12] <gromf> Ok, when I boot the livecd, it asks me if I want to load a cdrom driver from a floppy...
[04:13] <dcraven> reka: Yeah, but if he just spent an hour making changes, he may not want to do it all over again.
[04:13] <bigfoot> Shuddertrix, alright. so i guess that means getting the files from the creator's website, correct?
[04:13] <jac1> (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA 3D Acceleration Architecture Initialized
[04:13] <jac1> (II) NVIDIA(0): Using the NVIDIA 2D acceleration architecture
[04:13] <jac1> (==) NVIDIA(0): Backing store disabled
[04:13] <jac1> (==) NVIDIA(0): Silken mouse enabled
[04:13] <jac1> (**) Option "dpms"
[04:13] <jac1> (**) NVIDIA(0): DPMS enabled
[04:13] <jac1> (II) Loading extension NV-CONTROL
[04:13] <jac1> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load GLX
[04:13] <toxicfum1> Fator_Dee: well i typed sudo nano xorg.conf earlier..and still it didn't let me say
[04:13] <toxicfum1> Fator_Dee: well i typed sudo nano xorg.conf earlier..and still it didn't let me save
[04:13] <Shuddertrix> jac1: #flood next time.
[04:13] <dcraven> jac1: You shouldn't paste stuff like that in an IRC channel.
[04:14] <Shuddertrix> dcraven: unless it's #flood
[04:14] <reka> jac1: lucky your nick's jac1 and not jacl :-)
[04:14] <Fator_Dee> toxicfum1: well, that's interesting :-\
[04:14] <toxicfume> Fator_Dee: any other way? :S
[04:14] <Fator_Dee> toxicfum1: I think you have to enable the root write to the file
[04:15] <Fator_Dee> toxicfume: as in, the permissions won't let you write to it, even if you are root
[04:15] <bigfoot> Shuddertrix, please confirm the next step. Thank you.
[04:15] <gromf> It says me "No common CD-ROM drive was detected"
[04:15] <dcraven> toxicfume: That's crazy.
[04:15] <jac1> bye...
[04:15] <toxicfume> Fator_Dee, dcraven: that's what it says when i press ctrl x to exit and then Y
[04:16] <Fator_Dee> toxicfume: do a sudo chmod u+w xorg.conf
[04:16] <dcraven> toxicfume: I'm curious to see what "ls -l /etc/X11/xorg.conf" looks like.
[04:17] <toxicfume> actually it works now :S
[04:17] <Fator_Dee> :-<
[04:17] <dcraven> heh
[04:17] <gromf> What can I do to get rid of that ?
[04:17] <dcraven> Them some crazy permissions when root can't save.
[04:17] <Fator_Dee> dcraven: not crazy, just not writeable
[04:17] <bigfoot> I found  gmailfs-0.4.tar.gz on the gmailfs webpage. Is that the only file i need to download?
[04:17] <thoreauputic> dcraven: in case you didn't see/ are interested, Tsingi 's problem was an error in the new binutils package
[04:18] <bigfoot> or do i need to download fuse and libgmail from the web too?
[04:18] <Fator_Dee> dcraven: although it is crazy, shouldn't that be writeable by default?
[04:18] <Shuddertrix> bigfoot: working on it
[04:18] <bigfoot> okay.
[04:18] <dcraven> thoreauputic: An error? Was the file corrupt or something in the package?
[04:18] <thoreauputic> dcraven: not sure - they are fixing it as we speak
[04:19] <dcraven> Fator_Dee: Yes. It's writable as root by default.
[04:19] <dcraven> thoreauputic: in #ubuntu-devel
[04:19] <dcraven> ?
[04:19] <thoreauputic> yes
[04:20] <Shuddertrix> It's not one for the newbie to tackle. I might have to create a how-to..
[04:20] <reka> gromf: might help: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-4447.html
[04:20] <dcraven> thoreauputic: THanks. I'm actually quite curious.
[04:20] <reka> gromf: search for the post by "bluewool"
[04:20] <gromf> reka: thanks a lot, I will see that.
[04:21] <MrErnest> question: I have 2 hard drives, and I want to use ubuntu 5.04, intelx86 on one of the hard drives, I'm also using the ext2fs file system on it. How do I make a bootable cd? to start the installation?
[04:22] <dcraven> MrErnest: The install ISO is bootable.
[04:22] <MrErnest> but, im not able to make a bootable cd
[04:22] <MrErnest> i used nero to make one
[04:22] <dcraven> MrErnest: You burned the iso to a CD?
[04:22] <MrErnest> iso 1
[04:22] <MrErnest> yes the files after i unzipped them
[04:22] <reka> MrErnest: that's not how you do it.
[04:23] <thoreauputic> MrErnest: ? unzipped what?
[04:23] <dcraven> MrErnest: I don't know nero, but I'm sure it must burn iso images.
[04:23] <IcemanV9> MrErnest: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BurningIsoHowto
[04:23] <dcraven> MrErnest: Oh my.
[04:23] <thoreauputic> MrErnest: just burn it as an image
[04:23] <reka> MrErnest: you need to select "burn from image" or something similar, and then select the ISO file.
[04:23] <MrErnest> ill take a look at that one iceman
[04:23] <dcraven> Is this nero free?
[04:23] <djtansey> i am running evolution 2.2.1 and am having a serious problem. my computer is downloading new messages from my pop server, but then isn't showing them! i've seen my unread messages count go up by a hundred the past few days but have no way to see them (except web interface, so i know they're there.) i have nothign hidden in the view-> menu. what else could it be? i have 17000 messages. is there a size limit?
[04:23] <MrErnest> ah, ok, ill get on it :-) thanks
[04:23] <MrErnest> nope nero full version
[04:24] <thaytan> anyone else on breezy suffering from totally broken menu shortcut keys?
[04:24] <dcraven> Do people buy nero or warez it?
[04:24] <thoreauputic> thaytan: most people on breezy are suffering ;)
[04:24] <reka> thaytan: have you seen the channel topic?
[04:24] <toxicfume> guys
[04:24] <reka> dcraven: i got mine free with my dvd-drive
[04:24] <toxicfume> ubuntu does not display on my laptop..how do i fix that? :s
[04:24] <dcraven> reka: Ahh.
[04:25] <dcraven> reka: You a good boy :)
[04:25] <thaytan> reka: have now, but that's well after following jdub onto breezy :-P
[04:25] <reka> dcraven: i still loathe you. :-)
[04:25] <dcraven> haha
[04:25] <charlie> Hi! I`m looking for a good sources.list with lots of good resp`s.. Where can I find one ?
[04:26] <reka> charlie: ubuntuguide.org
[04:26] <NicP> what do you need thats not in universe charlie?
[04:26] <Burgundavia> morning Seveas
[04:26] <dcraven> charlie: I suggest you just use the ubuntu restricted main universe and multiverse ones. Otherwise you'll get some conflicting packages some day.
[04:26] <dcraven> reka: :(
[04:26] <Tsingi> thoreauputic: dcraven: It's a problem with the ubuntu release, getting fixed.  Thanks for your help.
[04:26] <Burgundavia> charlie, almost all of what you need is inthe official repos
[04:26] <thoreauputic> charlie: as a generalisation, 3rd party repos are bad news
[04:26] <Lonestar> Hey, can anyone give me a hand with something? Having some trouble with compiling in ubuntu after apt-get updating this mornign.
[04:26] <dcraven> Tsingi: Cool. Nice find :)
[04:27] <Burgundavia> charlie, what isn't there is in the backports, but they might cause you issues
[04:27] <charlie> ok, thanks.. you see I`m trying to get mplayer.. But I have some problems with it..
[04:27] <thoreauputic> Tsingi: I saw :) Looks like it is under control now?
[04:27] <Burgundavia> charlie, mplayer is in the official repos, in multiverse
[04:27] <Tsingi> I think so
[04:27] <Lonestar> After apt-get update this morning every ./configure I run tells me that my c++ compiler cannot create executables.
[04:28] <thoreauputic> Lonestar: they are working on it: a binutils issue
[04:28] <Lonestar> Gotcha, thanks.
[04:28] <dcraven> charlie: If you have the marillat repository in your sources.list, comment it out and use the ubuntu mulit/universe version. There is your first conflickt.
[04:28] <charlie> Burgundavia; Yeah, I find it but can`t download it.. has some deps
[04:29] <Burgundavia> charlie, such as?
[04:29] <trygvebw> Hi
[04:30] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hmmm need to get my ati card working for 3d
[04:30] <dcraven> Burgundavia: I suspect he has marrilat in his sources.list. Happens all the time :)
[04:30] <trygvebw> Is there a BASIC compiler in the Ubuntu repositories?
[04:30] <Burgundavia> dcraven, right
[04:30] <Burgundavia> dcraven, ubuntuguide.org hasn't been updated for hoary extras
[04:30] <reka> Pop_pa_FrEaK: what's the problem?
[04:30] <thoreauputic> trygvebw: yes, but it's sick at the moment - wait a few hours and install build-essential
[04:31] <thoreauputic> trygvebw: oops sorry I missed the caps
[04:31] <reka> ah, whoops. :-) what is your card?
[04:31] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> I got a ati 9600
[04:31] <dcraven> Burgundavia: No. That's the only issue I have with that guide.
[04:31] <trygvebw> thoreauputic, i'm talking about Hoary?
[04:31] <reka> Pop_pa_FrEaK: perfect. :-) http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:31] <trygvebw> ahh :)
[04:31] <trygvebw> :P
[04:31] <Burgundavia> dcraven, the doc team has lots of issue with guide. We are working with the author
[04:31] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> thanx reka
[04:31] <thoreauputic> trygvebw: I don't know about BASIC if that's what you mean
[04:31] <dcraven> Burgundavia: hehe.. I bet you do.
[04:31] <trygvebw> thoreauputic, yeah
[04:31] <trygvebw> ok :)
[04:32] <Burgundavia> Pop_pa_FrEaK, if you have a Nforce2 board, remember to read the note
[04:32] <Shuddertrix> You can search with synaptic or apt-cache search, trygvebw
[04:32] <trygvebw> Shuddertrix, will do :)
[04:32] <thoreauputic> trygvebw: I think you want GAMBAS in linux (Gambas is Almost Basic)
[04:32] <trygvebw> okay :)
[04:33] <dcraven> Three people like my wiki applet. It's very popular. heh
[04:33] <trygvebw> *installing*
[04:33] <Burgundavia> dcraven, wiki applet?
[04:33] <trygvebw> dcraven, that note-taking thing?
[04:34] <dcraven> Burgundavia: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=37029
[04:34] <dcraven> trygvebw: Yeah.
[04:34] <trygvebw> ok :)
[04:34] <Burgundavia> dcraven, ah, saw that gnome files, tomboy without the mono
[04:34] <dcraven> I'm gonna play etf now. I feel like getting my ass kicked.
[04:35] <dcraven> Burgundavia: Kinda yeah :)
[04:35] <Burgundavia> dcraven, mono for main in Breezy
[04:35] <[HS] arnakin> pl someone could help config samba ?? /q me !! thx !! got some speed problems, can copy files but extremely slowy could someone help ??
[04:35] <dcraven> Burgundavia: Huh?
[04:36] <Burgundavia> dcraven, mono is going to be in main for Breezy, along with probably Beagle
[04:36] <dcraven> Burgundavia: Although the only thing I think it has in common with Tomboy is the note linking part.
[04:36] <[HS] arnakin> pl someone could help config samba ?? /q me !! thx !! got some speed problems, can copy files but extremely slowy could someone help ??
[04:36] <dcraven> Burgundavia: That's cool. Ridding my machine of mono was not my intent though. I like mono. I just don't like Tomboy much.
[04:37] <Burgundavia> ah
[04:37] <podge> HS : Are the duplex settings on your network cards okay?
[04:37] <trygvebw> tar: newton-0.0.6/scripts/Makefile.in: Kan ikke write: Ikke mer plass p enheten
[04:37] <trygvebw> :/
[04:37] <trygvebw> *cleans*
[04:38] <thoreauputic> [HS] arnakin: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[04:38] <dcraven> thoreauputic: hehe
[04:38] <JDahl> sorry for off-topic: would spreadsheat users here find it more useful to have an optimization plugin (linear programming, quadratic programming, sparse regression, etc.) for gnumeric or openoffice?
[04:39] <LarstiQ> JDahl: how does that go with spreadsheets?
[04:39] <yahalom> my pppoe disconnects and whn i type the connect command it doesnt always work unless i restart my comp, any ideaS?
[04:40] <JDahl> LarstiQ, Probably the largest market for LPs is currently Excel (MBA type people)...
[04:40] <LarstiQ> JDahl: I'd go with octave myself
[04:41] <LarstiQ> or glpk
[04:41] <yahalom> Echelon-H, alan
[04:41] <Echelon-H> hi
[04:41] <Echelon-H> yahalom, hi :)
[04:41] <Echelon-H> yahalom, I got some problems, as always
[04:41] <yahalom> Echelon-H, i didnt get it, what wrong with ur hd?
[04:41] <JDahl> LarstiQ, I was asking a question on what people like: gnumeric or openoffice... for optimization I would go for http://www.ee.ucla.edu/~vandenbe/cvxopt :P
[04:42] <Echelon-H> yahalom, first of all, the scorched just seemed to stuck a lot of things in my linux, and I had to reboot.
[04:42] <yahalom> nobody here us pppoe?
[04:42] <yahalom> Echelon-H, u have an old comp?
[04:42] <dcraven> JDahl: I like gnumeric. Light and complete. But I don't use spreadsheets much :)
[04:42] <Echelon-H> yahalom, Now I installed nvidia drivers and I dont know if it has anything to do with it, but the XMMS is stucks anytime im trying to playing a song
[04:42] <dcraven> JDahl: But since you asked... heh
[04:43] <yahalom> Echelon-H, xmms has an issue with the system sounds
[04:43] <LarstiQ> JDahl: good one too :) I just don't use spreadsheets at all, so I wouldn't know about that
[04:43] <yahalom> Echelon-H, turn of ur ubuntu system sounds and then it will work
[04:43] <Echelon-H> but it didn't have until some point... I mean three days ago it worked great
[04:43] <Echelon-H> yahalom, how can i do that?
[04:44] <podge> Anyone here running Sun Rays using Ubuntu?
[04:44] <Echelon-H> yahalom, oh, maybe it's because im in skype now?
[04:44] <yahalom> Echelon-H, ubuntu in hebrew or english?
[04:44] <bigfoot> hi Shuddertrix, how are you doing?
[04:44] <Fator_Dee> Echelon-H: install libmikmod2
[04:44] <yahalom> Echelon-H, nope
[04:44] <reka> Echelon-H: or alternatively, change the output plugin to esound.  also, beep-media-player is nicer IMHO
[04:44] <gromf> reka: it doesn't resolve my problem ;-(
[04:44] <yahalom> reka, that worked for u? it didnt for me
[04:45] <karsten> Anyone know of issues with 2.6.8 and D-Link wireless (tuplip -- either d32104 or de4x5) drivers?  I'm seeing panics on ifuping the interface.
[04:45] <LarstiQ> JDahl: is Vandenberghe Belgian?
[04:45] <JDahl> yes
[04:45] <yahalom> Echelon-H, go to preferences and then sound
[04:46] <reka> yahalom: well, it was patchy, but i couldn't be bothered working out why sound would stop working randomly.  in the end i just followed ubuntuguide's fix.  everything seems good now.
[04:46] <trygvebw> dcraven, i have a problem with Newton
[04:46] <Echelon-H> yahalom, where? I didn't find it.
[04:46] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hmmmm only getting just under 900 fps in glxgears
[04:46] <reka> gromf: not sure what else it could be i'm afraid. sorry.  did you read all the posts?
[04:46] <dcraven> trygvebw: Could you be more specific?
[04:46] <trygvebw> dcraven, ./configure tells me that i don't have 'gnome-python-2.0'
[04:46] <trygvebw> :/
[04:46] <trygvebw> i have pygtk
[04:46] <Echelon-H> btw, is there any other player better than xmms?
[04:47] <trygvebw> but there's no python-gnome-extras in Universe :/
[04:47] <Echelon-H> But I want something small and simple like xmms
[04:47] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: glxgears is not a reliable way of measurement
[04:47] <trygvebw> Echelon-H, there is BMP
[04:47] <yahalom> Echelon-H, turn off the sound, or try what reka  said and just right click on xmms options>preferences>Audio I/O>choose a different sound system, try esound or oss
[04:47] <dcraven> trygvebw: Follow the instructions here --> http://arker.homelinux.org/~dcraven/newton-deps.html
[04:47] <trygvebw> dcraven, thanks :)
[04:47] <Echelon-H> Hmmm, nvm, the problem was skype, all good now with the player.
[04:47] <Echelon-H> :d
[04:47] <dcraven> trygvebw: np
[04:47] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> I get over 2800 fps when using suse
[04:47] <yahalom> reka, where is this fix?
[04:47] <trygvebw> Echelon-H, beep-media-player in Universe
[04:47] <reka> yahalom: IIRC, oss is the problem.
[04:47] <yahalom> reka, cos i want my system sounds
[04:47] <thoreauputic> [HS] arnakin: please keep your questions in channel and ask before /msg ing
[04:48] <gromf> reka: yes I did. Thanks a lot anyway...
[04:48] <dcraven> trygvebw: Let me know when it is working so I can go play etf :)
[04:48] <trygvebw> dcraven, ok :)
[04:48] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: you installed the binary drivers and xorg.conf has been modified?
[04:48] <yahalom> Echelon-H, whats wrong with xmms?
[04:48] <reka> http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[04:48] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> yes
[04:48] <reka> don't blame me if it stuffs up though :-)
[04:48] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: well, try to play a game :-p
[04:48] <Echelon-H> yahalom, nvm, nothing
[04:48] <reka> gromf: sure, good luck.
[04:48] <gromf> reka: the only solution is to change SATA mode in the BIOS, but I can't do this on my laptop...
[04:48] <zaydana> how would i get ubuntu to automatically mount a samba share?
[04:49] <zaydana> at a certain place
[04:49] <trygvebw> dcraven, it's working nicely :D
[04:49] <Echelon-H> hmm, just wondering, can I make a hotkey to activate the terminal? (if there is no one already)
[04:49] <trygvebw> great program :)
[04:49] <reka> gromf: i just googled:  ubuntu "cannot detect cd-rom" (or whatever the message was)
[04:49] <reka> gromf: maybe search ubuntuforums.org
[04:50] <reka> Echelon-H: system->prefs->k/b shortcuts
[04:50] <reka> i use the windows key. :-)  take that ms!
[04:51] <andersbr> How do I figure out which package a program came from?
[04:51] <msch> Is the javahl library for subclipse somewhere available in Ubuntu?
[04:51] <dcraven> trygvebw: Good. And thanks ;)
[04:52] <trygvebw> dcraven, :)
[04:52] <trygvebw> dcraven, just wondering: is there a web version of Newton? that can be used as a normal wiki on the internet?
[04:52] <dcraven> trygvebw: Still lots to do though. I also need to clean it up a bit.
[04:52] <trygvebw> ok :)
[04:53] <Echelon-H> reka, have you told me is valid for xfce?
[04:53] <febri> hug
[04:53] <febri> l
[04:53] <febri> k
[04:53] <andersbr> Specifically,  I'm trying to figure out which package the command-line "convert" utility came from,  so I can try to reinstall it.
[04:53] <reka> Anyone upgraded to 2.6.10-34.1?  What was changed?
[04:53] <dcraven> trygvebw: Eventually I'm thinking of adding an option to share. It'll start a little web server.
[04:53] <trygvebw> dcraven, okay :)
[04:53] <thoreauputic> andersbr: imagemagick
[04:53] <trygvebw> bbl
[04:53] <reka> Echelon-H: gnome instructions :-)  i'm sure there's some way of doing it in xfce
[04:53] <dcraven> trygvebw: That opens a can o' worms though.
[04:53] <trygvebw> yeah...
[04:53] <reka> Echelon-H: join #xfce
[04:53] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> how does one convert ubuntu into kubuntu ?
[04:54] <Echelon-H> . #
[04:54] <Echelon-H> k thanks
[04:54] <trygvebw> Pop_pa_FrEaK, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop kubuntu-settings
[04:54] <Echelon-H> yahalom, still here?
[04:54] <andersbr> thoreauputic:  Cool.  I'm still wondering if there's a way to use apt-get to find that out.
[04:54] <trygvebw> Pop_pa_FrEaK, or install the packages with Synaptic :)
[04:54] <thoreauputic> andersbr: dpkg -S convert
[04:54] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> or just download the kubuntu iso
[04:54] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> lol
[04:54] <andersbr> thoreauputic:  Muchos gracias.
[04:54] <charlie_> I`m trying to install mplayer with apt-get, but I can`t get it, if I do "apt-get install mplayer" I get a list of files like mplayer-nogui , if i type "apt-get install mplayer-nogui" I get a list of depends that I can`t download or something..
[04:55] <arnon> is there any advantage of using ubuntu instead of debian?
[04:56] <jasmuz> Greetings all
[04:56] <thoreauputic> andersbr: dpkg -S convert | grep /usr/bin
[04:56] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> trygvebw, I get this E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-settings
[04:56] <thoreauputic> is more accurate
[04:56] <meng> charlie_: check out ubuntuguide.org
[04:56] <yahalom> reka, i dont get the point of all that
[04:56] <jasmuz> is anyone alive?
[04:56] <housetier> why not "dpkg -S $(which convert)"
[04:57] <charlie_> ok, thanks
[04:57] <Echelon-H> hmmm, how can I see the freespace on my partition?
[04:57] <thoreauputic> housetier: even better :)
[04:57] <housetier> ^_^
[04:57] <lok> df -h .   Echelon-H
[04:57] <hussam> exit
[04:57] <IcemanV9> Echelon-H: df -h
[04:57] <yahalom> reka, if i just disable the gnome sound system it also works great, i do all the stuff on the guide and then i still cant have system sounds
[04:57] <kanzen> Hi all. I was complaining about running into problems when putting more than 4GB of memory in a couple of my systems. I've found what the problem is and thought I would share it in case anyone else runs into the issue. The motherboard is a Tyan s2882. After speaking with tyan they gave me the usual, "We're not certified to run on Ubuntu" When I asked for what this MB is certified to run on, they gave me a list of comercial linux dis
[04:57] <yahalom> reka, ???
[04:57] <yahalom> Echelon-H, succeeded?
[04:58] <Echelon-H> yahalom, sure, thanks,
[04:58] <reka> yahalom: lol. neither do i.  they should *really* add explanations.  basically, i think it installs alsa and sets it up.
[04:58] <kanzen> Tyan did say that they will be releasing a kernel "real soon now(TM)" to address the 2.6 issues.
[04:58] <reka> yahalom: i re-enabled system sounds and it works fine.
[04:58] <trygvebw> Pop_pa_FrEaK, just remove it
[04:58] <Echelon-H> yahalom, Say I got a network and the other comp is using windows, can they communicate with each other? How do I even see the network members and stuff?
[04:58] <trygvebw> Pop_pa_FrEaK, only "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[04:59] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ok
[04:59] <trygvebw> :)
[04:59] <reka> kanzen: was that directed at me?
[04:59] <IcemanV9> Echelon-H: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[04:59] <yahalom> reka, and xmms?
[05:00] <reka> kanzen: ah whoops.  disregard my last comment. :-)
[05:00] <yahalom> Echelon-H, u mean connect a network cable?
[05:00] <yahalom> Echelon-H, they should
[05:00] <yahalom> Echelon-H, many companies use a mixture of linux and windows
[05:00] <yahalom> Echelon-H, often linux being the firewall
[05:00] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> think i'll download kubuntu after to save time in case i ever need to re install
[05:01] <reka> yahalom: i use bmp.  i'm playing a track now and i get those "drum sounds" when i click on icons.  so everything seems good.  jsut change the output plugin to alsa.
[05:01] <yahalom> Echelon-H, read IcemanV9 link
[05:01] <Echelon-H> yahalom, I got the netowrk up and running, but I want to know if im using linux will the computers know to communicate with each other?
[05:01] <Echelon-H> yahalom, I will...
[05:01] <trygvebw> Pop_pa_FrEaK, ok :)
[05:01] <yahalom> reka, bmp?
[05:01] <jasmuz> # /msg nickserv set email <jasmuz@gmail.com>
[05:02] <trygvebw> yahalom, "sudo apt-get install beep-media-player"
[05:02] <reka> Pop_pa_FrEaK: that's probably a good idea. especially if you know you like KDE.
[05:02] <thoreauputic> yahalom: beep-media-player
[05:02] <yahalom> reka, yeah thats what i want. it use to interrupt eachother or not work
[05:02] <reka> yahalom: beep-media-player.  well, follow ubuntuguide i say :-)
[05:02] <yahalom> telling from the info u guys provided me so fast it must be the thing, is it cool?
[05:02] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> but thank you all for getting me into this great distro and community
[05:02] <jasmuz> I LOVE Ubuntu!
[05:02] <reka> yahalom: it's basically just a "cleaner" xmms clone
[05:03] <Echelon-H> any of you guys are using an emule client?
[05:03] <trygvebw> Pop_pa_FrEaK, :)
[05:03] <trygvebw> Echelon-H, i'm using aMule
[05:03] <yahalom> reka, so we get rid of xmms?
[05:03] <hybrid_goth> hello all
[05:03] <Echelon-H> brb
[05:03] <jasmuz> People i have a question
[05:03] <Fator_Dee> then ask the people
[05:03] <trygvebw> jasmuz, ok :)
[05:03] <reka> yahalom: i would :-) hang on, i'll post a screenshot
[05:03] <jasmuz> but its too large to place in here without getting kicked
[05:04] <jasmuz> well...look here...
[05:04] <thoreauputic> jasmuz: use a paste bin
[05:04] <trygvebw> jasmuz, post it to pastebin.com!
[05:04] <jasmuz> hahaha
[05:04] <Fator_Dee> or ubuntu.pastebin.com
[05:04] <reka> yahalom: especially xmms fugly menu. yuck.
[05:04] <jasmuz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36596
[05:04] <yahalom> reka, yeah thats true
[05:04] <hybrid_goth> Fator_Dee: ubuntu has a pastebin?
[05:05] <jasmuz> If anybody can, check this out
[05:05] <hybrid_goth> nice
[05:05] <Fator_Dee> hybrid_goth: seems like it
[05:05] <trygvebw> jasmuz, hm
[05:05] <Fator_Dee> btw
[05:06] <yahalom> is there a lag or is it me?
[05:06] <Fator_Dee> does anyone know why ubuntu would hang up on boot? in the hotplug subsystem initialization part?
[05:06] <LarstiQ> Fator_Dee: take a while or hang?
[05:06] <Fator_Dee> and it doesn't too that everytime
[05:06] <Echelon-H> back :P
[05:06] <Fator_Dee> LarstiQ: don't know yet :-\
[05:06] <reka> yahalom: http://www.sosdg.org/~larne/w/Screenshots
[05:06] <yahalom> Echelon-H, wb
[05:06] <Fator_Dee> but I think half an hour count's as hang up
[05:06] <LarstiQ> Fator_Dee: your hardware might not be responding
[05:06] <LarstiQ> Fator_Dee: yeah, it does
[05:07] <Fator_Dee> LarstiQ: but why would it not do that everytime
[05:07] <yahalom> reka, cute man
[05:07] <LarstiQ> Fator_Dee: subtle raceconditions?
[05:07] <trygvebw> it's DNAku-san..
[05:07] <Fator_Dee> LarstiQ: care to elaborate?
[05:07] <yahalom> reka, i got it now. very nice
[05:07] <reka> yahalom: like i said.  it's just cleaner IMO.  there are probably better media playes out there though.
[05:08] <yahalom> reka, any skins yet?
[05:08] <LarstiQ> Fator_Dee: it might be things only lock when polled in a certain order, difference between cold/warm boot, timing
[05:08] <thoreauputic> yahalom: bmp can use xmms skins or winamp skins
[05:08] <trygvebw> jasmuz, post the result of "sudo apt-key list"
[05:08] <reka> yahalom: http://www.sosdg.org/~larne/w/Skins :-)
[05:08] <hybrid_goth> brb
[05:08] <kestas> does anyone know if all the fonts in the ubuntu desktop installation all released under the GPL?
[05:08] <reka> yahalom: you can use xmms/winamp skins
[05:08] <Burgundavia> kestas, a DFSG licence
[05:09] <Fator_Dee> LarstiQ: could there be something that I could do to prevent that?
[05:09] <yahalom> thoreauputic, thanx
[05:09] <Burgundavia> kestas, possibly not GPL
[05:09] <LarstiQ> kestas: they're not (all) under the GPL
[05:09] <kestas> Burgundavia: DFSG? never heard of it
[05:09] <yahalom> reka, do i set it to alsa?
[05:09] <LarstiQ> Fator_Dee: mwah, just investigate what the problem is
[05:09] <jasmuz> trygvebw jasmuz, post the result of "sudo apt-key list"--->let me try
[05:09] <reka> yahalom: i would.  have you followed the guide's instructions?
[05:09] <trygvebw> DFSG = Debian Social Contract?
[05:09] <kestas> LarstiQ: do you know where I can find out which fonts are which, or find completely free or BSD license fonts?
[05:09] <trygvebw> jasmuz, ok :)
[05:09] <Burgundavia> kestas, Debian Free Software Guidelines. What Debian uses to determine whether or not a license is free
[05:09] <Burgundavia> the basis for the OSI's OSD
[05:10] <yahalom> reka, yes
[05:10] <yahalom> reka,i jsut thought it should be set to something else
[05:10] <jasmuz> /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
[05:10] <rixth> Can someone reccomend a good tutorial for making login screens for GDM?
[05:10] <jasmuz> --------------------
[05:10] <jasmuz> pub  1024D/437D05B5 2004-09-12 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[05:10] <jasmuz> sub  2048g/79164387 2004-09-12
[05:10] <kestas> is BSD license a DFSG?
[05:10] <LarstiQ> kestas: lots of digging in sources. Do you have a specific reason to? If you need only one, I can recommend Bitstream Vera
[05:10] <jasmuz> that is the result
[05:10] <LarstiQ> kestas: yes
[05:10] <trygvebw> jasmuz, hm
[05:10] <trygvebw> jasmuz, i suggest that you try asking on #ubuntu-devel... it might possibly be a bug.
[05:11] <reka> yahalom: so have you tested if you get system sound at the same time?
[05:11] <kestas> LarstiQ: I need a font for a software project Im releasing under the BSD license, but its currently (possibly) using a bit of GPL stuff
[05:11] <LarstiQ> kestas: try the Bitstream font
[05:11] <kestas> LarstiQ: not in any of the public releases though, Ill see if bitstream will do anyway
[05:11] <yahalom> reka, i need to reboot no?
[05:11] <reka> yahalom: i think so.
[05:11] <LarstiQ> kestas: http://www.gnome.org/fonts/
[05:12] <jasmuz> :s
[05:12] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hey trygvebw after the downloads finish do I just reboot ?
[05:12] <jasmuz> that sucks
[05:12] <jasmuz> Pardon me
[05:12] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> to go into kde
[05:12] <jasmuz> That is the only problem i have on the pc....besides that Xmms crashes sometimes and goes zombie on me
[05:12] <trygvebw> Pop_pa_FrEaK, logg out, choose "Sessions", choose "KDE" and log in.
[05:12] <trygvebw> *log
[05:12] <yahalom> reka, lets see
[05:13] <reka> jasmuz: have you set the output plugin to esound (whispers: beep-media-player is nicer) :-)
[05:13] <podge> jasmuz : I am using Muine. Have you tried it?
[05:13] <jasmuz> reka yes
[05:14] <jasmuz> it does that on ESD and ALSAS
[05:14] <jasmuz> ALSA*
[05:14] <jasmuz> Muine, no
[05:14] <jasmuz> is it in th repositories?
[05:14] <podge> sudo apt-get install muine
[05:14] <csj> hello, could someonw tell me how to register in freenode?
[05:15] <trygvebw> csj, of course :)
[05:15] <podge> jasmuz : not as Winampy as XMMS but does the job.. ie.. plays music.. :)
[05:15] <jasmuz> thanks podge
[05:15] <trygvebw> csj, /msg NickServ REGISTER password
[05:15] <ssouza> exit
[05:15] <jasmuz> im downloading it as we speak
[05:15] <csj> trygvebw, thank you :D
[05:15] <charlie_> does anyone know of a program to connect my PocketPC to my laptop with ubuntu ?
[05:15] <trygvebw> csj, np :)
[05:16] <Echelon-H> yahalom, hi..
[05:16] <kestas> LarstiQ: thanks vera will do great :)
[05:16] <LarstiQ> kestas: sweet
[05:16] <reka> yahalom: all good?
[05:16] <podge> jazmuz : I read a PC World article on Muine and the guy loved it.. instead of the default rhythmbox that comes with Ubuntu.
[05:17] <SkyNet> when i use the sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade i get the following error: The following packages have been kept back: libxvidcore4 mplayer-386
[05:17] <yahalom> reka, yeah baby
[05:17] <yahalom> Echelon-H, hey man
[05:17] <reka> :-
[05:17] <SkyNet> any idea what is it?
[05:17] <reka> )
[05:17] <yahalom> reka, all working the way it should have been in the first place
[05:17] <trygvebw> SkyNet, Hoary or Breezy?
[05:17] <reka> yahalom: according to podge, we should try muine :-)
[05:17] <thoreauputic> SkyNet: that's not an error
[05:18] <SkyNet> trygvebw hoary
[05:18] <jasmuz> podge, i dislike rhythmbox
[05:18] <trygvebw> ok
[05:18] <trygvebw> SkyNet, good :)
[05:18] <yahalom> reka, muine?
[05:18] <thoreauputic> SkyNet: if you want a full upgrade use dist-upgrade
[05:18] <AirWays> How I can run .run file?
[05:18] <reka> it's in the repository.
[05:18] <SkyNet> good?
[05:18] <yahalom> thoreauputic, u know anything about pppoe?
[05:18] <reka> another music player
[05:18] <SkyNet> these 2 are kept back. whats the purpose?
[05:18] <thoreauputic> yahalom: no, sorry
[05:18] <Echelon-H> yahalom, I got a simple digital camera (USB). Is there anyway it will work on linux?
[05:19] <trygvebw> SkyNet, because they're conflicting
[05:19] <trygvebw> SkyNet, it doesn't really matter :)
[05:19] <podge> jasmuz : let us know your initial impressions..
[05:19] <StickyFingers> evening all.
[05:19] <trygvebw> Echelon-H, just try to plug it in and see...
[05:19] <yahalom> thoreauputic, is cool
[05:19] <jasmuz> ubuntu-devel didnt gimme any clues
[05:19] <SkyNet> trygvebw how can i resolve this conflict?
[05:19] <yahalom> reka, getting it now
[05:19] <chris__> Hi
[05:19] <Echelon-H> didn't really work I think
[05:19] <jasmuz> podge, i wont install now...it has too many dependencies
[05:19] <yahalom> Echelon-H, most likely not
[05:19] <chris__> i have a little Problem here.. and i want to know if you have the same maybe...
[05:19] <SkyNet> thoreauputic well i did dist-upgrade but same results..
[05:19] <IcemanV9> is there a place where i can d/l "eq presets" for bmp?
[05:19] <AirWays> How I can run .run file?
[05:19] <chris__> The "Sticky Note" Applet (i dont know how its named in Englisch) is fucked up! In Warty and the "old" Gnome, the Notes were pinned to the Desktop...  in Hoary and the newest Gnome, the Notes are everytime in front of all Windows
[05:20] <chris__> AirWays, sh bla.run or ./bla.run
[05:20] <thoreauputic> SkyNet: do you have marillat repos or backports?
[05:20] <yahalom> Echelon-H, there are some that do, there is a site i'm not sure what its called, can anyone help me  out plz
[05:20] <AirWays> Okay
[05:20] <yahalom> Echelon-H, some omnivision ones work and some others
[05:20] <reka> jasmuz: heh. i just noticed that.
[05:20] <thoreauputic> SkyNet: if so, that's probably your trouble
[05:20] <yahalom> Echelon-H, i cant get mine to work
[05:20] <jasmuz> Grr..
[05:20] <podge> jasmuz : I didn't think about that.. sorry.. it's built on mono etc.. my 1.5 adsl didn't notice the download.. *grin*
[05:20] <chris__> did anyone have the same Problem with the Sticky Notes Applet???
[05:20] <yahalom> Echelon-H, that is one issue i dont understand why linux lacks this tech
[05:21] <thoreauputic> *sigh* PLEASE ask before /msg ing people
[05:21] <jasmuz> podge,  bad for me im in dialup
[05:21] <Echelon-H> yahalom, oh... k.
[05:21] <SkyNet> ok sorry thoreauputic
[05:21] <reka> jasmuz: i'm a caveman too. :-)
[05:21] <yahalom> Echelon-H, if u want it badly enough it will work
[05:21] <jasmuz> reka, hahaha...
[05:22] <podge> jasmuz : understood and ouch!!..
[05:22] <yahalom> reka, u tried it?
[05:22] <jasmuz> reka,  im based in the Dominican Republic
[05:22] <reka> yahalom: not yet, a 16mb download takes a while
[05:22] <SkyNet> thoreauputic i only have the nerim repositories..
[05:23] <reka> jasmuz: so broadband isn't widely available?
[05:23] <chris__> The "Sticky Note" Applet (i dont know how its named in Englisch) is fucked up! In Warty and the "old" Gnome, the Notes were pinned to the Desktop...  in Hoary and the newest Gnome, the Notes are everytime in front of all Windows
[05:23] <tsw> how do I install warty with debootstrap ?
[05:23] <chris__> Anyone have the same condition?
[05:23] <yahalom> reka, yah
[05:23] <reka> yahalom: have you?
[05:23] <trygvebw> chris__, isn't it a feature, not a bug?
[05:23] <trygvebw> i guess it's an easy fix
[05:23] <trygvebw> moment...
[05:23] <jasmuz> reka, yes but too pricey
[05:24] <trygvebw> chris__, you're right :/
[05:24] <yahalom> reka, 38%
[05:24] <chris__> i love this applet since my Warty...
[05:24] <thoreauputic> SkyNet: that's your problem then
[05:24] <chris__> and in Warty it was ok :\
[05:24] <yonil> DO you know of any side-scroll shooter game that's in ubuntus packages ? =P
[05:24] <reka> jasmuz: i'm out of work atm.  and i don't want my parents to pay for it.
[05:24] <SkyNet> ?
[05:24] <yahalom> Echelon-H, it doesnt bother me anymore, i prefer not seeing the people i chat with :)
[05:25] <thoreauputic> SkyNet: they conflict with multiverse versions of mplayer
[05:25] <yahalom> Echelon-H, it sucks when u want to sell stuff on ebay though
[05:25] <SkyNet> thoreauputic ah ok
[05:25] <jasmuz> reka, ouch
[05:25] <SkyNet> so they dont know which one to choose
[05:25] <thoreauputic> SkyNet: comment nerim out
[05:25] <SkyNet> yes will do
[05:25] <SkyNet> thanks thoreauputic
[05:25] <yahalom> reka, where u live?
[05:26] <reka> i'm in aus
[05:26] <Echelon-H> yahalom, heheh
[05:26] <yahalom> reka, as in aussie?
[05:26] <podge> reka: whereabouts?
[05:26] <reka> yahalom: yep. yourself?
[05:26] <bassplayer> how do I configure a network printer on ubuntu ?
[05:26] <reka> podge: VIC.  fellow aussie?
[05:26] <yahalom> reka, order a bunch of ubuntu cds and go to schools and old people's homes, charge them for ur time and isntall them free ubuntu:) u'll have ajob
[05:27] <podge> reka: yeah.. VIC/Geelong
[05:27] <bassplayer> how do I configure a network printer on ubuntu ?
[05:27] <yonil> Is ubuntu a good dist for laptops ? (I'm using it on my pc, have no experience with laptops)
[05:27] <yahalom> reka, old people and schools dont care about the details
[05:27] <yahalom> reka, israel
[05:27] <reka> podge: the whole schapelle thing is pretty bad. i'm feeling depressed today.
[05:28] <LarstiQ> yonil: imho, yeah it is
[05:28] <podge> reka: Imagine if a foreigner was caught with drugs in their bag at an Aussie airport..
[05:28] <jasmuz> yonil,  depends on your laptop configuration...but its good anywhere
[05:28] <sig> whats wrong with schapelle?
[05:28] <reka> yahalom: i don't think i could handle troubleshooting that many people. :-)  plus, i know nothing about networking etc.
[05:28] <caine> hello everybody
[05:28] <caine> i need help please
[05:28] <Echelon-H> hmmm what is the command for terminal (I want to make a shortcut)
[05:29] <yahalom> reka, well most people will only want their cable or dsl setup
[05:29] <yonil> jasmuz, I'm gonna have an ibm laptop... probably thinkpad or w/e its name is ... can it run gnome properly ?
[05:29] <ozujes> algun espaol?
[05:29] <LarstiQ> yonil: on side-scrollers, chromium isn't one, but it's still nice ;)
[05:29] <yahalom> reka, dont know how to setup that up?
[05:29] <bassplayer> how do I configure a network printer on ubuntu ?
[05:29] <reka> podge: i know.  and i know she is getting special treatment and whatnot  i.e. there are ~150 others out there in the same situation.  but i still feel sorry for her.
[05:29] <caine> hello im new to linux and im having trouble installing Wine and these flash plugins
[05:29] <yahalom> reka, most ppl use adsl
[05:29] <dcraven> Echelon-H: gnome-terminal?
[05:29] <reka> yahalom: no idea. like i said, i've always been on dialup
[05:29] <tsw> how can I install warty with debootstrap.. running ubuntu and want to install warty on a second partition also so that it can be booted with xen
[05:29] <yahalom> reka, so read the ubuntuguide
[05:30] <reka> lol
[05:30] <Echelon-H> dcraven, xfce?
[05:30] <tsw> debootstrap only says "no such script: warty"
[05:30] <yahalom> reka, how does that work?
[05:30] <dcraven> Echelon-H: Depends on the terminal you use.
[05:30] <yahalom> Echelon-H, u tried xfce?
[05:30] <reka> reka: how does what work?
[05:30] <Echelon-H> yahalom, I am using it.
[05:30] <yahalom> Echelon-H, ok :)
[05:30] <caine> can anybody help me on installing WIne and Flash plugins
[05:31] <yahalom> ok i gotta go
[05:31] <dcraven> Echelon-H: Open a term, if it has a help menu, click "About" to see what it is.
[05:31] <yahalom> reka, take care man
[05:31] <Echelon-H> yahalom, I want to me a k/b shortcut to the terminal. I've found out I think how to do shorcut but i dont know hwo to run the terminal
[05:31] <jasmuz> yonil,  most probably yes...but check the www.ubuntuforums.org for any question there
[05:31] <yahalom> Echelon-H,  
[05:31] <reka> yahalom: bye
[05:31] <Echelon-H> yahalom, 
[05:31] <podge> reka: human nature to feel sorry.. people are in these situations every day and we don't even hear about it though..
[05:32] <yonil>  ..
[05:32] <Echelon-H> yonil, 
[05:32] <yonil> Echelon-H, we oughta stop before we get banned ;)
[05:33] <IcemanV9> so cool!! to see another language being so clear instead of garble :)
[05:33] <Echelon-H> yonil, Yup.
[05:33] <Echelon-H> iceman, hehe
[05:33] <ubuntu> hi i just booted my livecd hoary... how come it doesnt have any grub?
[05:33] <caine> Could someone please help me? I am trying to install Wine and also Flash but I can not figure out how...
[05:33] <podge> Is anyone here running Samba? I tried to help [HS] arnakin but haven't gotten anywhere...
[05:33] <IcemanV9> really! Echelon-H :)
[05:33] <jasmuz> Ubuntu you dont need GRUB if you are just booting a CD
[05:33] <thoreauputic> caine: ubuntuguide.org for flash
[05:34] <msieradzki> grub is useful
[05:34] <msieradzki> rescue cd and this stuff...
[05:34] <erikk_newb> jasmuz.. im trying to fix the bootloader bec i installed winxp and grub was gone
[05:34] <yonil> IcemanV9, the wonders of unicode ...
[05:34] <caine> They both came with installation instructions but neither of them worked.
[05:34] <podge> thoreauputic: flash on ubuntu crashes my firefox.. :(
[05:34] <IcemanV9> yea! it is, yonil
[05:34] <Echelon-H> bah, im such aa noob,
[05:35] <Echelon-H> what is the command to transfer one file from X to y?
[05:35] <jasmuz> erikk_newb, why the heck did you reinstall xp for?
[05:35] <IcemanV9> yonil: i saw chinese language other night; it's so cool! :)
[05:35] <caine> Echelon-H, I'm more of a noob than you are...I can't even install anything lol
[05:35] <thoreauputic> podge: known issue with the Free version unfortunately
[05:35] <erikk_newb> jasmuz.. because i need winxp
[05:35] <Echelon-H> IcemanV9, how come you see this stuff?
[05:35] <jeroen_> Is there going to be a ubuntu-calendar-may?
[05:35] <yonil> Echelon-H, mv
[05:35] <jasmuz> Stop all you noobing!...im more of a new than you guys are
[05:36] <podge> thor: I am sure it crashed with the macromedia version as well..
[05:36] <Echelon-H> yonil, thanks
[05:36] <IcemanV9> Echelon-H: like yonil just said .. unicode is a wonderful thing
[05:36] <yonil> Echelon-H, notice you must have writing permissions to both places
[05:36] <erikk_newb> so does anyone know if livecd has grub?
[05:36] <caine> I just started using Linux tuesday
[05:36] <jasmuz> caine, Linux or Ubuntu?
[05:37] <caine> Ubuntu
[05:37] <reka> erikk_newb: uh, if you're using the livecd.  don't you just boot off it?
[05:37] <jasmuz> erikk_newb, why dont you go to distrowatch.org and check the packages  it has
[05:37] <latis> failed to get screen information: make sure $DISPLAY is set
[05:37] <caine> which is a type of Linux but yeah...im using Ubuntu
[05:37] <jasmuz> caine,  then you arent a newbie
[05:37] <danko123456> hey, guys, how about mounting? I have a camera, that automounts in gnome, but I am right now using, I dont even know, I think 9wm, very interesting, a differnt approach, I was wondering...how can I mount the camera manually, how would I find out what device it is to mount it, perhpas when it is mounted I can somehow find out how it is mounted, and then use that, how would  I find out?
[05:37] <Echelon-H> yonil, It seems i can't see all the folders under dir, even when I use sudo
[05:37] <caine> yeah actually i am
[05:38] <jeroen_> danko123456, by pressing mount when it's mounted
[05:38] <jeroen_> and reading
[05:38] <danko123456> jeroen_: thank you.
[05:38] <caine> my uncle told me that ubuntu was one of his favorite versions and that it would probably be the best one for me
[05:38] <jeroen_> danko123456, when you want to manually mount it:
[05:38] <jasmuz> xota, saludos
[05:38] <caine> i just installed it tuesday night
[05:38] <danko123456> mounte dev location, right?
[05:38] <jeroen_> danko123456, sudo mount /dev/devicename /media/camera
[05:38] <jasmuz> caine, true...
[05:38] <xota> jaja buenas jasmuz
[05:38] <jasmuz> xota,  que tal?
[05:38] <erikk_newb> reka, i have exisiting linux installation on hd, installed xp and bootloader got reset to windows. thats my case.
[05:39] <jasmuz> xota,  de donde sois?
[05:39] <latis> failed to get screen information: make sure $DISPLAY is set, what can I do about it?
[05:39] <danko123456> k, yeah, thanks...um, do you use xnest, can anyone find out the command for a new login?
[05:39] <xota> por aqu pasando calor en salamanca ;) aunque soy gallego
[05:39] <LarstiQ> latis: set DISPLAY :)
[05:39] <xota> en este canal no se habla en ingls?
[05:39] <danko123456> just throught he menu editor, grab the command.
[05:39] <xota> ;)
[05:39] <latis> LarstiQ, how and what? :)
[05:39] <LarstiQ> latis: it would help if you gave some context as to where this is appearing
[05:39] <jasmuz> xota, ahh....este canal es en ingls pero soy de la Rep. Dominicana
[05:39] <thoreauputic> danko123456: gdmflexiserver --xnest
[05:39] <hybrid_goth> hello all
[05:39] <nayif> is there a gui for partimage ?
[05:39] <caine> so believe me...i am a noobie to the linux ubuntu world
[05:39] <latis> LarstiQ, when I try to start win4lin
[05:39] <jasmuz> pardon me from saying hi in spanish
[05:40] <[HS] arnakin> samba very slow transfers both directions (network bridge wi-fi / ethernet on winXP stat), no errors on starting, no erros on file tranfer, eth configs are good, network working correctly, FTP wroking correctly ... I'm lost pl help !
[05:40] <LarstiQ> latis: from where?
[05:40] <caine> i'm so use to windows xp that i dont know what the hell im looking for anymore
[05:40] <latis> LarstiQ, terminal as a normal user
[05:40] <hybrid_goth> ubuntu on a server. any ideas anyone?
[05:40] <LarstiQ> latis: from within X?
[05:40] <caine> im trying to find my plugins folder and its not where the faq said it would be
[05:40] <jasmuz> With Ubuntu, you learn a lot everyday
[05:40] <latis> LarstiQ, yep
[05:40] <jeroen_> Is there going to be a ubuntu-calendar-may?
[05:40] <reka> erikk_newb: http://ubuntuguide.org/#restoregrubmenuafterwindowsinstallation that uses the nstallation CD though.  it might work with the livecd.
[05:40] <danko123456> thank you, thoreauputic.
[05:40] <jasmuz> hybrid_goth,  what do you need?
[05:40] <LarstiQ> latis: and you're not trying to start as a different user than logged in in X?
[05:41] <latis> LarstiQ, nopes
[05:41] <LarstiQ> latis: what does echo $DISPLAY give in the terminal?
[05:41] <hybrid_goth> jasmuz: good idea bad idea tips etc.
[05:41] <[HS] arnakin> samba very slow transfers both directions (network bridge wi-fi / ethernet on winXP stat), no errors on starting, no erros on file tranfer, eth configs are good, network working correctly, FTP wroking correctly ... I'm lost pl help !
[05:41] <caine> DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW TO INSTALL WINE ON UBUNTU?
[05:41] <caine> oops caps
[05:41] <LarstiQ> [HS] arnakin: how slow is slow?
[05:41] <reka> jeroen_: was there one for april?
[05:41] <Shuddertrix> caine: apt-get install wine
[05:41] <jeroen_> reka, yes, and march, and...
[05:41] <caine> what is apt
[05:41] <nayif> caine, synaptic
[05:41] <thoreauputic> [HS] arnakin: repeating every 2 minutes won't help you. Do please stop it
[05:41] <jasmuz> hybrid_goth, that depends on the hard you have on the system...and what you are willing to install
[05:41] <reka> jeroen_: then, yeah probably. :-)
[05:42] <jasmuz> lol
[05:42] <Shuddertrix> or, search wine in synaptic.
[05:42] <latis> latis@latis:~/Desktop/Win4LinPro.6.0.9$ echo $DISPLAY
[05:42] <latis> :0.0
[05:42] <hybrid_goth> caine: go to winehq.com find the repo and add it in synaptic
[05:42] <caine> ok synaptic i understand
[05:42] <[HS] arnakin> very very slow
[05:42] <jeroen_> reka, but it's freaking 27 May!!!
[05:42] <danko123456> did you guys ever try 9wm(I think that is waht it is...very different. You are lost for at least 15 minutes once you open it...
[05:42] <reka> jeroen_: lol.  geez i'm lost aren't i?
[05:42] <danko123456> there is no window borders.
[05:42] <caine> hybrid-goth, iv been through all of that and still dont understand shit
[05:42] <caine> lol
[05:42] <hybrid_goth> jasmuz: i have a 2gb hdd but i am going to upgrade later
[05:42] <jasmuz> caine apt is the powertool that drives synaptic
[05:42] <latis> LarstiQ, latis@latis:~/Desktop/Win4LinPro.6.0.9$ echo $DISPLAY
[05:42] <latis> :0.0
[05:42] <LarstiQ> latis: looks good, then win4lin is doing more to break it, and I don't know what it is doing
[05:43] <caine> i dont know if i actually installed wine or what
[05:43] <latis> LarstiQ, ok :/
[05:43] <jasmuz> hybrid_goth,  for what services do you plan to use the server for?
[05:43] <nayif> caine, than type on search box wine than rigth click on it than select install than press apply button that is all
[05:43] <Shuddertrix> install winetools also, it will help you get wine set up
[05:43] <caine> ok iv done all that before
[05:43] <caine> wine tools
[05:43] <danko123456> Ill take that as a no to having used the 9wm.
[05:43] <danko123456> :)
[05:43] <caine> that i havnt doen
[05:43] <caine> *done
[05:43] <Shuddertrix> like, installing the correct fonts and programs like DCOM and IE.
[05:43] <hybrid_goth> jasmuz: skype page osting and maybe irc
[05:43] <Shuddertrix> and configuring your .wine/config, too
[05:44] <hybrid_goth> jasmuz: irc will come after the upgrade
[05:44] <caine> i tried to d/l it and all kindsa shit but im so lost its like im in a black hole
[05:44] <caine> i wanna rip my hair out lol
[05:44] <jasmuz> hybrid_goth, that is fairly easy...you have no need for special configs
[05:44] <Shuddertrix> download what?
[05:44] <caine> wine tools
[05:44] <hybrid_goth> jasmuz: ok so it would be a good idea to use ubuntu
[05:45] <jasmuz> hybrid_goth, Why not!
[05:45] <caine> i dont know how to install anything w/o d/l an exe style application lol
[05:45] <hybrid_goth> jasmuz: YAY!
[05:45] <reka> danko123451: worth using?
[05:45] <caine> im too use to windows
[05:45] <Echylo> can I can I can I ?
[05:45] <jasmuz> hybrid_goth, try it...you will only gain knowledge
[05:45] <Echylo> :p
[05:45] <hybrid_goth> jasmuz: lol ok :D
[05:45] <IcemanV9> danko123451: gnome-volume-manager doesn't work in 9wm?
[05:45] <Shuddertrix> synaptic, search wine, click on winetools (install), click apply, run winetools. What's the problem there?
[05:45] <hybrid_goth> caine: apt is sooooo easy
[05:46] <hybrid_goth> caine: forget goin to confusing sites and having no idea what *else* comes with the prog
[05:46] <danko123451> jeroen_: ok, got it:) what is the best way to mount this: /dev/sda1 on /media/usbdisk type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,sync,noatime,quiet,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077)
[05:46] <wezzer> hello
[05:46] <caine> shuddertrix, it only pulls up wine...there is no winetools
[05:46] <wezzer> how can I install new fonts into ubuntu?
[05:46] <danko123451> IcemanV9: I dont think so.
[05:46] <danko123451> esd doesnt.
[05:46] <nayif> caine, try to install something else than wine :) like thunderbird and c
[05:46] <jeroen_> danko123451, in a terminal: "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk"
[05:46] <hybrid_goth> wezzer: d/l the font and move it to ~/.fonts
[05:46] <caine> i havnt the slightest clue what those are
[05:46] <danko123451> reka, if you are ready for major frustration, because of a different UI.
[05:47] <wezzer> hybrid_goth: that easy?
[05:47] <hybrid_goth> wezzer: yup :D
[05:47] <IcemanV9> danko123451: then, we wait for you when you figure it out ;)
[05:47] <Shuddertrix> ok caine, you need to add universe/multiverse to your sources.list.. search the forums, i'm not going indepth with it.
[05:47] <thoreauputic> wezzer: search for "fonts" in the synaptic package manager
[05:47] <danko123451> jeroen, k thanks, I just wanted to check if I should specify any of those params.
[05:47] <caine> what i need is something to run windows applications and wine seems like its the one that most people use
[05:47] <nayif> caine, than try crossover
[05:47] <hybrid_goth> caine: non free option is cadwga
[05:47] <Shuddertrix> you might want to buy crossover or cedega if this is giving you trouble, although it shouldn't.
[05:47] <caine> you have to pay for crossover
[05:47] <reka> danko123451: i think i'm too used to gnome.  anything else drops my productivity rate.
[05:47] <hybrid_goth> s/cadwg/cadega
[05:47] <nayif> caine, its wine GUI
[05:48] <danko123451> IcemanV9: yeah, well, I mean, it is just fun to try out, I guess, I doubt Ill like it more than gnome over all, although you have control over how you want to display the windows completely.
[05:48] <nayif> caine, what u want than :)
[05:48] <thoreauputic> caine: first see if there are native linux apps that do what you need
[05:48] <Shuddertrix> hybrid_goth: cedega is for gaming, crossover is for regular apps.
[05:48] <caine> there arent
[05:48] <wezzer> hybrid_goth: does openoffice found new fonts then?
[05:48] <Shuddertrix> What windows program do you really need, caine?
[05:48] <wezzer> whoops, there is no .fonts directory
[05:48] <wezzer> should I create one?
[05:48] <caine> i already know for a fact that the 2 programs i need to run are not made natively for Linux and i cannot use a replacement because of school
[05:48] <jasmuz> if i could get cedega for free, i would forget using windows ever (im a Unreal Tournament, Max Payne Fan)
[05:48] <thoreauputic> wezzer: yes, in your $HOME dir
[05:49] <wezzer> okay
[05:49] <caine> Finale 2003....Guitar-Pro
[05:49] <hybrid_goth> Shuddertrix: ah
[05:49] <hybrid_goth> wezzer: it should
[05:49] <thoreauputic> wezzer: note the dot :)
[05:49] <jeroen_> . hides it. Press ctrl+H
[05:49] <jeroen_> wezzer,
[05:49] <Echelon-H> guitar-pro is cool
[05:49] <wezzer> yes
[05:49] <urb85> hello all
[05:49] <caine> well i use both of them for school purposes'
[05:50] <wezzer> thank you very much guys, it worked
[05:50] <caine> and i cannot use anything else because then i cannot bring my files to work on at school
[05:50] <urb85> Guys, is there any Default Python interpeter into Ubuntu?
[05:50] <nayif> caine, haha u must to pay if you need something easy to use and safe your time if not , this your choice
[05:50] <Shuddertrix> caine, i have a good feeling they won't work.
[05:50] <danko123456> ok, thanks everyone.
[05:50] <Frantick> urb85: yes
[05:50] <caine> im not paying for shit...thats why im on ubuntu lol
[05:50] <Shuddertrix> you're best to dual-boot, or find a replacement.
[05:50] <urb85> Frantik, where is it exactly, I can't find it?
[05:50] <caine> i was using a bootleg of Win XP
[05:50] <caine> lol
[05:51] <Frantick> caine: ubuntu is free like speech and usually free like beer
[05:51] <caine> lol
[05:51] <nayif> caine, k than read more and get your hand dirty :)
[05:51] <thoreauputic> caine: you can't really expect to have windows interoperability without paying, except on a simple level
[05:51] <caine> i dont mind getting my hands dirty
[05:51] <Frantick> urb85: python in the terminal pulls it  up i believe
[05:51] <caine> shit ill jump in the damn mudd pitt
[05:51] <jasmuz> who sent me a private...please repost...i had  problem
[05:51] <nayif> caine, that very nice :)
[05:52] <caine> but i dont know shit about installing progs on here yet
[05:52] <IcemanV9> is winex ready for gaming??
[05:52] <urb85> Frantik, thanks I will try now
[05:52] <Frantick> caine: you can always look at sf.net for a foss alternative for any windows prog
[05:52] <novaflare> hmm
[05:52] <latis> IcemanV9, my cedega works pretty good
[05:52] <latis> :)
[05:52] <novaflare> where does apache keep its web pages in ubuntu?
[05:52] <Frantick> urb85: np
[05:52] <jasmuz> latis,  you have cedega'
[05:52] <nayif> IcemanV9, mmm you can see is needforspeed run on winex
[05:52] <thoreauputic> novaflare: where you tell it to :)
[05:52] <CarlK_> novaflare /var/www
[05:53] <podge> caine: You said.. "I'm not paying for shit.. that's why I am on Ubuntu".. does that mean UB is shit.. coz you didn't pay for it? :)
[05:53] <novaflare> ty
[05:53] <SkyNet> podge only that its free:-)
[05:53] <caine> no it means its THE SHIT because i didnt pay for it lol
[05:53] <IcemanV9> latis: so i've heard. i'd like to use it for free as much as possible
[05:53] <podge> caine: haha..
[05:53] <SkyNet> very cool that they send the CDs for free..
[05:53] <hybrid_goth> caine: heh
[05:53] <eliteforce> hi
[05:53] <thoreauputic> caine: if that's why you are using Ubuntu, you maybe need to read a bit about Free Software and philosophy
[05:53] <danko123456> hey, force.
[05:53] <hybrid_goth> SkyNet: when you are a multimillionare you can do cool things
[05:54] <reka> SkyNet: takes a while though
[05:54] <caine> i know about the reasons why its free
[05:54] <jasmuz> guys read this
[05:54] <caine> i cant explain them but i know them
[05:54] <nayif> caine, http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/
[05:54] <jasmuz> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19043&highlight=airline
[05:54] <hybrid_goth> jasmuz:
[05:54] <hybrid_goth> ?
[05:54] <hybrid_goth> ah
[05:54] <spiderworm> hey all i keep trying to set my primary DNS to 192.168.0.200 in network-admin but everytime I hit OK and then try to go to certain sites but the DNS doesnt resolve correctly, I open up network-admin again I see that it has substituted what I put in there for DNS with something else, any ideas what could be going on here?
[05:55] <caine> its basicallythe same reasons kazaa, napster, morpheous, Gnutella etc etc...were created...except this is about open source not music
[05:55] <jasmuz> hybrid_goth, check it...it will make you laugh
[05:55] <podge> jasmuz : Hey.. they forgot Amiga airlines.. :)
[05:55] <jasmuz> podge, true
[05:55] <jasmuz> Good old amiga
[05:56] <IcemanV9> why is my wheel lagging so bad when i want to scroll in firefox??
[05:56] <podge> jasmuz : Trying to get an old A500 off ebay at the moment..
[05:56] <urb85> Frantik, you right :)
[05:56] <Frantick> urb85: :D
[05:56] <Frantick> enjoy
[05:56] <jasmuz> podge, awww...that's nostalgic
[05:57] <nayif> caine, i'm agree with your idea i feel am understand what you mean
[05:57] <sig> so what is ubuntu doing to get online with firefox?
[05:57] <sig> one can't install new themes withouth the 1.4 version they require
[05:57] <sig> even though this is a backported version I believe
[05:57] <jasmuz> sig, update firefox
[05:57] <podge> jasmuz : yeah. I have an A1200 at the moment.. wanted an a500 to run the old scene demos... WinUAE doesn't cope most of the time..
[05:57] <sig> jasmuz: it is
[05:57] <sig> the newest ubuntu offers
[05:58] <caine> and open source is why i wanted to use linux/unix style OS in the first place
[05:58] <sig> there is a bug
[05:58] <sig> Ubuntu Bug 10681
[05:58] <thoreauputic> sig: in about:config , change the vendor string to 1.0.4
[05:58] <LarstiQ> podge: I have an a500 somewhere here iirc
[05:58] <jasmuz> sig,  modify the user agent at the about:config
[05:58] <caine> because once i learn enough i can go in and tweak the program so it will work with anything i need it too
[05:58] <podge> larstiq : buried in the garage hey?
[05:58] <hybrid_goth> hahaha
[05:58] <hybrid_goth> windows air
[05:58] <LarstiQ> podge: no, in my room
[05:58] <thoreauputic> caine: yup, that's right :)
[05:58] <jasmuz> podge, you are a lucky guy being able to get amiga's
[05:59] <caine> i may be a noob
[05:59] <podge> larstiq : cool.. what are you doing with it?
[05:59] <caine> but im not that stupid
[05:59] <toxicfume> can someone help me with Ubuntu not being able to display on my laptop's LCD screen?
[05:59] <Fator_Dee> LarstiQ: I have a 500+ :-p
[05:59] <LarstiQ> podge: the idea was demos, not doing much atm
[05:59] <caine> im just new to the OS
[05:59] <caine> not to computers
[05:59] <thoreauputic> caine: no-one suggested you were stupid :)
[05:59] <jasmuz> I have been in this long lost quest for an old laptop...and because i dont have money ever, i dont get none....im a Medical Student
[05:59] <caine> i know
[05:59] <podge> jasmuz : lucky? well.. maybe.. or just stupid? ;)
[06:00] <jasmuz> podge, if you can spend it...enjoy it man..
[06:00] <hybrid_goth> caine: everyone in this channel has been or are where you are now
[06:00] <podge> larstiq : nice.. I have quite of bit of admiration for the early amiga demo scene coders..
[06:00] <hybrid_goth> except me of course i have always been great
[06:00] <hybrid_goth> :P
[06:00] <podge> jasmuz : What do you spend your ca$h on?
[06:00] <LarstiQ> podge: not for the current ones? :)
[06:01] <caine> good so that means everybody knows how damn frustrating it is to learn this shit from scratch
[06:01] <parabolize> yes
[06:01] <jasmuz> podge, i barely get cash...hence i dont work at the moment...just study like hell
[06:01] <thoreauputic> caine: absolutely ;)
[06:01] <Frantick> caine: YES OH YES
[06:01] <reka> jasmuz: should you be studying now?  i should. :-)
[06:01] <Echylo> can someone tell me how I refer to folders outside /var/www in apache?
[06:01] <jasmuz> caine, watch your typing
[06:02] <thoreauputic> caine: if it's any consolation, it gets easier
[06:02] <drcodedd2> hi all
[06:02] <drcodedd2> any one up
[06:02] <podge> larstiq : I watch the Amiga movie captured demos from the recent parties.. but the PC scene is so huge it is hard to ignore. However, the technical style of the old days is gone in favour of artsy style.
[06:02] <jeroen_> yeah, drcodedd2
[06:02] <jasmuz> nayif is it bad a bit of chit chat
[06:02] <hybrid_goth> caine: yes i agree with thoreauputic much easier
[06:02] <drcodedd2> some one know abour xpdf?
[06:02] <drcodedd2> I need littel help
[06:02] <jasmuz> reka, no i dont have to study
[06:02] <LarstiQ> podge: mostly anyway
[06:02] <drcodedd2> pdftops
[06:02] <hybrid_goth> caine: pretty soon you will wanna run linux on an old comp as a server among other things
[06:02] <hybrid_goth> :P
[06:03] <LarstiQ> podge: not that I particulary mind ;)
[06:03] <hybrid_goth> drcodedd2: whats up with xpdf?/
[06:03] <podge> jasmuz : understood.. medicine is difficult... and leaves you poor for some time..
[06:03] <jasmuz> podge, got that right
[06:03] <hybrid_goth> lol
[06:03] <podge> larstiq : Well.. you still drool when you see some of the demos.. especially the Farbrauch productions.. 64K WOW!
[06:04] <ogi_> Somebody name a good image viewing program similar to irfan view for ubuntu
[06:04] <reka> ogi_: gqview
[06:04] <Fator_Dee> ogi_: gqview, gthumb
[06:04] <hypa7ia> ogi_, eog
[06:04] <Echylo> can someone tell me how I refer to folders outside /var/www in apache? ?
[06:04] <LarstiQ> podge: I'm not that impressed by their most recent productions though
[06:04] <podge> jasmuz : I finished my degree in Computer Science about 8 years ago..
[06:04] <reka> ogi_: pornview
[06:04] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia: hey!
[06:04] <hybrid_goth> reka: pornview pwns :D
[06:04] <jasmuz> podge, congrats
[06:04] <hypa7ia> hey hybrid_goth, did ya get it working?
[06:04] <hybrid_goth> ogi_: showimg
[06:04] <andersbr> reka: Never heard of that one.
[06:04] <reka> podge: nice.  i'm in final year.
[06:05] <lop> hi all
[06:05] <bassplayer> how do i configure a network printer ?
[06:05] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia: nah but i did get _my_ wifi back so i can work on it finally
[06:05] <nayif> caine, i think book like yellow dummies great idea
[06:05] <jasmuz> im just 22, and im in the middle of the career...so imagine how much time it takes
[06:05] <reka> andersbr: it's nice.  i prefer gqview though.  you can scroll through with the mousewheel
[06:05] <caine> lol
[06:05] <bassplayer> how do i configure a network printer ?
[06:05] <hybrid_goth> bassplayer: samba
[06:05] <podge> larstiq : They set too high a standard early on and couldn't keep it up.. The Product and The Popular Demo are amazing..
[06:05] <reka> andersbr: it's a good name isn't it?
[06:05] <reka> :-)
[06:05] <hypa7ia> hybrid_goth, cool, i'm sure you'll figure it out eventually :-)
[06:05] <bassplayer> what ?
[06:05] <andersbr> reka:  Yep.
[06:06] <lop> can any1 help me ? gcc `gtk-config --cflags` `gtk-config --libs` predkor2.c a.c -o main
[06:06] <lop> /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/../../../crt1.o: file not recognized: File format not recognized
[06:06] <lop> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[06:06] <podge> reka : Cool.. What uni?
[06:06] <lop> with that ?
[06:06] <caine> if i had enough memory and a fast computer i would run both windows and linux
[06:06] <LarstiQ> podge: but fr025 isn't _that_ early on :)
[06:06] <reka> podge: monash
[06:06] <caine> that would make my life so much easier
[06:06] <bassplayer> how do i configure a network printer ?
[06:06] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia: thanks for the encouragement i hope so. i am leavin to my dad's and all he has is lan :P
[06:06] <JDahl> jasmuz, 22 and in the middle of your career? what business are in in? what are you - a newspaper delivery boy?
[06:06] <thoreauputic> caine: you learn less dual booting though
[06:06] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia: it is easier now though b/c it is online and i can work
[06:06] <podge> reka : what are you hoping to get out of it? coder? it manager?
[06:06] <LarstiQ> JDahl: well, in a 44 year career that's ok?
[06:06] <caine> true
[06:06] <andersbr> What I'd like to see is an organizer for pics/movies/mp3s that will let you categorize,  classify,  add metadata,  and rate the files.
[06:07] <hybrid_goth> caine: dual booting gets messy
[06:07] <hypa7ia> hybrid_goth, read up on ifconfig and play around with ping
[06:07] <reka> podge: game dev :-)  *fingers crossed*
[06:07] <caine> i bet it does
[06:07] <podge> larstiq : agreed.. I guess they made the biggest impression on me..
[06:07] <jasmuz> http://www.hackaday.com guys check this
[06:07] <nayif> caine, and you can take linux"ubuntu" with you if you like to use minimac
[06:07] <hybrid_goth> or atleast it did with xp and mandrake 10
[06:07] <LarstiQ> podge: understandable :)
[06:07] <reka> podge: has your degree amounted to anything? :-)
[06:07] <JDahl> LarstiQ, just sounded odd to be in the middle of his/her career at 22...
[06:07] <jasmuz> JDahl, Doctor in Medicine
[06:07] <podge> reka: so can I assume you are into the demoscene as well..?
[06:07] <hybrid_goth> hypa7ia: ok
[06:07] <bassplayer> how do i configure a network printer ?
[06:07] <bassplayer> how do i configure a network printer ?
[06:07] <LarstiQ> JDahl: I understand :)
[06:07] <bassplayer> how do i configure a network printer ?
[06:07] <caine> minimac?
[06:07] <hybrid_goth> jasmuz: i <3 hackaday
[06:07] <hybrid_goth> bassplayer: SAMBA
[06:07] <hybrid_goth> bassplayer: SAMBA
[06:07] <thoreauputic> bassplayer: repeating won't help
[06:07] <reka> podge: uh, not really.  i'm a newbie with opengl.
[06:07] <hybrid_goth> bassplayer: SAMBA
[06:07] <bassplayer> whats sanba ?
[06:07] <Fator_Dee> bassplayer: could you repeat a few more times, some of us might not have seen that :-|
[06:08] <caine> nayif: minimac?
[06:08] <nayif> sorry mac OSX
[06:08] <hybrid_goth> bassplayer: i have answered you every time are you blind?
[06:08] <LarstiQ> podge: I like MFX and Kewlers too
[06:08] <lop> does anybody know a server where i can find some programmers??
[06:08] <podge> larstiq : My fave demo on the Amiga is Friday At Eight by Polka Brothers.. but group wise it would be Phenomena..
[06:08] <caine> oh well im not running a mac computer right now
[06:08] <hybrid_goth> podge: what kinda proggys
[06:08] <caine> i wish i was
[06:08] <bassplayer> but i dont know whatis samba !
[06:08] <reka> andersbr: start coding. :-D
[06:08] <hybrid_goth> caine: mac is over rate
[06:08] <caine> when i get a laptop its gonna be mac
[06:08] <andersbr> reka:  It may come to that.
[06:08] <thoreauputic> bassplayer: google is your friend
[06:08] <hybrid_goth> bassplayer: justfuckinggoogleit.com
[06:09] <reka> andersbr: i'll be one of the first to download it.
[06:09] <Sh4d> what is gnome-vsf-deamon ?
[06:09] <caine> actually im not running a mac and i messed on my uncles mac and i liked it better
[06:09] <podge> larstiq : agreed... and agreed.. both quality PC demo groups..
[06:09] <jasmuz> mac rules as laptops...expecially when you dual boot with Ubuntu
[06:09] <podge> reka: I am a Solaris administrator by chance..
[06:09] <caine> well im not gonna dual boot on a laptop
[06:09] <hybrid_goth> jasmuz: heh i am on an ibook
[06:09] <LarstiQ> caine: why not?
[06:09] <nayif> caine, why ?
[06:10] <Sh4d> what is gnome-vsf-deamon ?
[06:10] <Sh4d> plz
[06:10] <podge> reka : Get your arse coding if you want to do game dev.. :).. and read the Michael Abrash Black book while you are at it..
[06:10] <LarstiQ> caine: I've been doing it for 3 years on a powerbook
[06:10] <jasmuz> hybrid_goth, i pheer you!
[06:10] <LarstiQ> podge: you don't visit parties perchance?
[06:10] <reka> podge: *sighs* i know.  i'm a lazy bastard though. :-)
[06:10] <podge> larstiq : I live in Australia.. so not at this stage..
[06:10] <podge> larstiq : you?
[06:11] <caine> because that laptop is gonna need to stay as virus free as possible...so that means im only gonna run like finale and guitarpro and needed applications for doing work and school stuff...no music d/l through internet onto the laptop, no dual booting, keep as much memory as possible
[06:11] <podge> reka : The whole Linux PS2 thing was interesting.. actually allowing you to code for the VPUs and the EE chip..
[06:11] <podge> reka : You interested in console stuff or PC stuff?
[06:12] <jasmuz> http://files.nixp.ru/books/unix/linux/  this is some documentation for all you guys
[06:12] <LarstiQ> podge: a couple of times per year, next one will be sceneevent
[06:12] <hybrid_goth> jasmuz: heh
[06:12] <jasmuz> and for noobs as myself
[06:12] <caine> ok but back to my Wine problem lol
[06:12] <podge> larstiq : so I assume you live in Europe. :)
[06:12] <caine> im whining over Wine
[06:12] <caine> lol
[06:12] <LarstiQ> caine: eh, virus on osx/linux?
[06:12] <podge> caine : want some cheese with that?
[06:12] <LarstiQ> podge: yup, .nl
[06:12] <caine> yes please
[06:12] <hybrid_goth> LarstiQ: spyware on tiger
[06:12] <nayif> time to go
[06:12] <caine> lol
[06:13] <reka> podge: honestly, i think my skill levels are such that i can't really choose.  i'm still getting to grips with this stuff.
[06:13] <LarstiQ> hybrid_goth: never encountered it
[06:13] <caine> :grabs the cheddar
[06:13] <jasmuz> do you guys know you can run viruses with Wine...its a blast to laugh at them
[06:13] <hybrid_goth> LarstiQ: dashboard has a whole that installs widgets without any prompt
[06:13] <podge> larstiq : I am sure you understand that AUstralia doesn't really have a demo scene as such.. heheh..
[06:13] <yaaar> word
[06:13] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> how does one install cdrdao ?
[06:14] <podge> reka : So you have a few more years before you match Carmack? :)
[06:14] <podge> reka : Did you attend the AGDC in Melbourne?
[06:14] <caine> ok my Wine problem
[06:14] <thoreauputic> Pop_pa_FrEaK: sudo apt-get install cdrdao
[06:14] <LarstiQ> hybrid_goth: ah, I'm still on 10.2
[06:14] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: sudo apt-get install cdrdao
[06:14] <hybrid_goth> LarstiQ: ah it is in Tiger
[06:14] <LarstiQ> podge: that's a shame
[06:14] <caine> in synaptic i searched Wine and marked everything for installation
[06:14] <caine> and it installed everytying
[06:14] <reka> podge: hopefully. :)  AGDC?  no.  did you?
[06:14] <caine> but there is no wine tools
[06:15] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> Package cdrdao is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:15] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[06:15] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> is only available from another source
[06:15] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hmmmm
[06:15] <Fator_Dee> enable universe/multiverse?
[06:15] <caine> ladies and gentlemen what is better
[06:15] <caine> wine
[06:15] <caine> or crossover
[06:15] <podge> larstiq : I am glad we started talking about the demo scene.. I see that I have some more demos to download from scene.org
[06:16] <thoreauputic> Pop_pa_FrEaK: enable the universe repository in synaptic >> settings
[06:16] <parabolize> caine for what?
[06:16] <LarstiQ> podge: heh :)
[06:16] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ok
[06:16] <podge> reka : I attended the first year it was held.. not bad.. especially the tech presentations on the PS2 internals..
[06:16] <caine> well i need to run finale and guitarpro somehow
[06:16] <podge> larstiq : enjoy your food..
[06:16] <thoreauputic> Pop_pa_FrEaK: enable multiverse while you are at it, and make sure you update/reload afterwards
[06:16] <caine> and i need to run a file sharing app like kazaa or somthing
[06:16] <jasmuz> caine,  crossover
[06:17] <parabolize> yep
[06:17] <caine> is there a file sharing app made for linux like kazaa is for windows
[06:17] <jasmuz> caine, Kazaa: Apollon is a Kazaa substitute
[06:17] <caine> yeah i found that one
[06:17] <g14> http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/25/1430222&tid=2&tid=78&tid=138 Running windows virii under wine :)
[06:17] <Adyeths> hmmm... I seem to be having some issues compiling things now.
[06:17] <caine> but i did the synap search thing and all that for it
[06:17] <podge> reka : If you are serious about game dev.. then you have to write software demos of your abilities..
[06:17] <caine> and installed the stuff
[06:17] <caine> yet i hav no clue if its intalled to use or not
[06:18] <Adyeths>  /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/../../../crt1.o: file not recognized: File format not recognized
[06:18] <Adyeths> whats up with that?
[06:18] <jasmuz> caine,  just run it
[06:18] <caine> but where is it
[06:18] <lop> got the same problem Adyeths
[06:18] <podge> reka : age isn't really a barrier.. i asked a few of the guys and they are around 30->35 and working for local game studios like Ratbag etc..
[06:18] <caine> i dont know where the app went so i can run it
[06:18] <jasmuz> caine, open a console and type locate apollon
[06:18] <thoreauputic> caine: you can type the command in a terminal
[06:18] <caine> in windows you went to programs and just clicked the app you wanted
[06:18] <Fator_Dee> caine: you don't have to know where it is
[06:19] <jasmuz> caine, it dosent matter if you go to run application it will
[06:19] <Adyeths> I wonder if it has anything to do with the updates that were just installed today. (binutils was one I know that. I forget what the other was)
[06:19] <IcemanV9> Adyeths & lop: ubunut-dev is working on it to fix the problem
[06:19] <caine> ok
[06:19] <thoreauputic> Adyeths: known issues with binutils, yes
[06:19] <Fator_Dee> caine: for an example, you can press alt+f2 and write the applications name there, or if it's a console program, open a console and write the applications name there
[06:19] <lop> omg iceman i have no time for that
[06:19] <Adyeths> ah. thanks!
[06:19] <thoreauputic> Adyeths: they are fixing it
[06:19] <wulfy814> anyone running vmWare 5.0 ? It' seems to be  a dog
[06:20] <IcemanV9> lop: sorry
[06:20] <caine> problem now
[06:20] <Adyeths> kewl. Its no biggie. i don't absolutely HAVE to compile something right now. I can wait a while until they get it fixed. ;)
[06:20] <lop> Iceman w;[
[06:20] <Adyeths> thanks!
[06:20] <reka> "A demo is a program that displays a sound, music, and light show, usually in 3D. Demos are very fun to watch, because they seemingly do things that aren't possible on the machine they were programmed on." [scene.org] 
[06:20] <reka> reminded me of my lecturer telling us about how someone created an image that implemented ray tracing by feeding postscript code iirc directly to a printer.
[06:20] <caine> nothing is happening
[06:20] <jasmuz> People...take care
[06:21] <wulfy814> I have a P4 - 4, 3 gig of RAM
[06:21] <caine> run application>apollon
[06:21] <reka> podge: no age barrier? that's good.  i think i still have a while to go before i could even call myself average. :-)
[06:21] <caine> and nothing happens
[06:21] <wulfy814> it kills the host os when I try to run XP or 2003 Server
[06:21] <podge> reka : The postscript sounds cool..
[06:21] <podge> reka : Reminds me of the obfuscated C contest..
[06:22] <g14> reka: You want to code games? Take a look at openscenegraph http://www.openscenegraph.org, linux needs more games using that
[06:22] <Fator_Dee> caine: did you install it?
[06:22] <caine> hell if i know lol
[06:22] <caine> i did the synaptic thing
[06:22] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> thoreauputic, thanx that did it
[06:22] <caine> marked and installed that stuff
[06:22] <podge> reka : write the most unitelligible C program that produces something useful like a fractal, a puzzle or write a poem..
[06:22] <thoreauputic> Pop_pa_FrEaK: no worries :)
[06:22] <reka> g14: honestly i just started with opengl.  :-)  i'll make notes of all this stuff though.
[06:22] <Fator_Dee> caine: open a console and write "apollon" there
[06:23] <caine> using terminal right?
[06:23] <podge> gl4 : Linux needs more companies to write in OpenGL rather then DirectX..
[06:23] <Fator_Dee> caine: console/terminal
[06:23] <reka> podge: hehe, sounds fun.
[06:23] <g14> podge: Linux needs more companies like ID Software
[06:23] <caine> ok
[06:23] <caine> see im learing stuff lol
[06:24] <caine> ok i type in apollon and nothing happen
[06:24] <podge> gl4 : I always wonder why ID are the only real Open GL guys left..
[06:24] <podge> gl4 : I guess they can afford to stick is to MS and stay away from DX..
[06:24] <thoreauputic> caine: what does ` dpkg -l apollon` return?
[06:24] <thoreauputic> if anything...
[06:24] <caine> holy shit!
[06:25] <caine> sry about the language
[06:25] <g14> podge: ID has a commitment to multiplatform gaming. Thats why
[06:25] <caine> i forgot
[06:25] <thoreauputic> if it is installed the first column should say ii
[06:25] <podge> gl4 : The only reason I boot back to Windows is for games.. nothing else.. Call Of Duty and C&C Generals.. everything else is PS2..
[06:25] <caine> caine@Caine:~$ dpkg -l apollon
[06:25] <caine> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[06:25] <caine> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[06:25] <caine> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[06:25] <caine> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[06:25] <caine> +++-[06:25] <caine> ii  apollon        1.0.1-1        KDE-based interface to the giFT file-sharing
[06:25] <Frantick> caine: pastebin.com
[06:25] <thoreauputic> caine: it's installed
[06:25] <caine> thats what it game me
[06:25] <podge> gl4 : Excited about the PS3 and Xbox360?
[06:25] <thoreauputic> caine: don't paste
[06:25] <iceman> anyone have the link to configuring the package's
[06:25] <g14> podge: I'm a coder, not a gamer
[06:26] <caine> ok well if its instaleld then how can i get it to work
[06:26] <g14> podge: The only time I ever game is strategy games like C&C Generals or Age of Empires
[06:26] <lakin> So how do I now when my order of ubuntu CD's has been shipped or sent to the factory?
[06:26] <thoreauputic> caine  ii  apollon      << this means it's installed
[06:26] <reka> on another note, besides getting better with opengl, i've set another goal to learn lisp.
[06:26] <podge> gl4 : So you code games or code stuff like apps?
[06:26] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> brb going to burn off kubuntu
[06:26] <g14> lisp? *shudders*
[06:26] <thoreauputic> caine: what does `which apollon` say?
[06:26] <caine> actually guys i dont think its installed
[06:27] <thoreauputic> caine: yes it is
[06:27] <caine> Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[06:27] <g14> podge: I am a network admin. I code crazy scripts and some C for automating cluster stuff
[06:27] <thoreauputic> caine: that output proved it
[06:27] <reka> g14: ?  this one guy in particular keeps telling me about it's virtues
[06:27] <sylvan> when mounting my home folder at school using samba, all the files come up as being owned by "root" (but if I ssh I can see that I am still the owner of them). Is that a problem on my end or on their end?
[06:27] <Fator_Dee> caine: that doesn't mean it's situation
[06:27] <caine> ok well then if its installed
[06:27] <thoreauputic> caine: thoreauputic> caine  ii  apollon      << this means it's installed
[06:27] <sylvan> does the user "root" even exist in ubuntu?
[06:27] <podge> gl4 : Yeah.. I am a Unix Sys Admin... pretty much all Solaris.. What do you work with?
[06:27] <reka> g14: why do you dislike it?
[06:27] <Seveas> sylvan, yes
[06:28] <caine> ok well then i gues its installed
[06:28] <g14> reka: Lisp is written specficly for artificial intelligence. In the computer world, lisp programmers are known for being off in their own little world
[06:28] <thoreauputic> caine: try dpkg -L |grep bin
[06:28] <thoreauputic> sorry
[06:28] <podge> caine : you play guiter?
[06:28] <podge> caine: guitar..
[06:28] <Seveas> sylvan, samba knows nothing about users & permissions
[06:28] <caine> guitar and percussion
[06:28] <thoreauputic> dpkg -L apollon | grep bin
[06:28] <Seveas> sylvan, you will need to specify them in your mount command or fstab
[06:28] <podge> caine : what music do you play?
[06:28] <sylvan> Seveas: so how do I, say, delete files on a remote disk mounted using samba?
[06:28] <caine> mostly perscussion
[06:28] <g14> reka: I don't dislike it, it's just a very odd language. Richard Stallman is a LISP programmer, look at how odd he is
[06:28] <caine> anything
[06:28] <[Spooky] > im stuk here what whas the command to see what hdds you have and so one isn it like amsg something ?
[06:28] <sylvan> I specified username=sylvan password=xxxxx
[06:29] <caine> caine@Caine:~$ try dpkg -L |grep bin
[06:29] <caine> bash: try: command not found
[06:29] <Seveas> sylvan, by mounting correctly or simply using nautilus for samba: smb://user@server/share
[06:29] <reka> g14: to each his own i guess.  he sold me by telling me crash bandicoot was written in lisp. :-)
[06:29] <Fator_Dee> caine: do not include try
[06:29] <thoreauputic> caine: heh
[06:29] <CarlK_> [Spooky]  - dmesg
[06:29] <caine> oops
[06:29] <Seveas> sylvan, you will need to say uid=1000,gid=1000 too
[06:29] <[Spooky] > CarlK_: ah thanks
[06:29] <wezzer> dpkh -L | grep bin
[06:29] <thoreauputic> caine: dpkg -L apollon | grep bin
[06:29] <sylvan> ok, I'll try that
[06:29] <podge> gl4 : what about perl? ;)
[06:29] <iceman> anyone know link to collage package install ?
[06:29] <g14> reka: If your doing games, lisp probably would be good. But the lisp community stays in thier own corner of the geek community thats all
[06:30] <thoreauputic> caine: the search for a bin file will tell you where the binary executable is
[06:30] <podge> gl4 : lisp and games programming?
[06:30] <caine> caine@Caine:~$ dpkg -L apollon | grep bin
[06:30] <caine> /usr/bin
[06:30] <caine> /usr/bin/apollon
[06:30] <caine> ok
[06:30] <caine> so i just go there and look for apollon?
[06:30] <thoreauputic> caine: try running /usr/bin/apollon
[06:31] <thoreauputic> caine: it is in your $PATH, so it should run
[06:31] <caine> caine@Caine:~$ /usr/bin/apollon
[06:31] <caine> caine@Caine:~$
[06:31] <caine> thats what happend
[06:31] <thoreauputic> caine: well, that is odd
[06:31] <justin> aptitude install apollon- giftoxic
[06:31] <caine> yeah i know
[06:31] <thoreauputic> caine: it should run
[06:31] <caine> i know
[06:32] <podge> caine : What style of music do you play? metal?
[06:32] <caine> all kinds
[06:32] <caine> metla
[06:32] <caine> *metal
[06:32] <caine> death
[06:32] <caine> classic
[06:32] <caine> anything
[06:32] <caine> and i mean anything
[06:32] <podge> caine : You like fruity loops?
[06:32] <caine> i havnt used it in a while
[06:32] <caine> but yes
[06:32] <caine> i was gonna maybe try and get it again on here
[06:32] <caine> if possible
[06:33] <caine> i wrote some techno songs on it
[06:33] <podge> caine : i downloaded V5 to have a look.. not bad.. i mainly play guitar so percussion is not my deal but it is fun to do simple drums etc on it..
[06:33] <caine> lol
[06:33] <JohnnyFav> I'm trying to set up my dsl and when I run the application...it says eth0 still in broadcast mode.........
[06:33] <JohnnyFav> what do I do?
[06:33] <caine> i didnt like using fruity loops that much
[06:34] <podge> caine : I tried using orDrumbox on Linux.. but it was flaky..need to revisit..
[06:34] <caine> its so much easier for me to just write out the sheet music than to figure out all the weird little box timings
[06:34] <podge> caine : yeah.. but you can't play drums and play guitar at the same time.. haha
[06:35] <caine> i dont have to lol
[06:35] <[Spooky] > isnt it like "/dev/hda   /mnt/winhd   umask=222   r" in fstab ?
[06:35] <caine> i can record either the drum or guitar licks and write the other parts as i go
[06:35] <iceman> OK .. help ... i need help setting up ubuntu to install superkaramba
[06:35] <podge> caine : Got any music for download?
[06:36] <caine> nope
[06:36] <hybrid_goth> caine: let us know when you do
[06:36] <caine> well my techno stuff wasnt really that great
[06:36] <Fator_Dee> no wonder, it'
[06:36] <Fator_Dee> *it's techno
[06:37] <podge> fator_dee : hehe
[06:37] <caine> i had planned on going back and updating the songs since now i am more knowledgable with music
[06:37] <hybrid_goth> caine: what all do you you do?
[06:37] <podge> caine : it's all in the ear..
[06:37] <caine> arrange, compose
[06:37] <caine> play
[06:38] <reka> i rather like electronic music.  especially the chillout stuff.
[06:38] <caine> i arrange for my schools marching band/ concert band
[06:38] <yaaar> brb, restarting X
[06:38] <caine> i compose for it
[06:38] <caine> and myself
[06:38] <podge> caine : Central Energy Volume 10 is great..
[06:38] <caine> im arranging a version of The Phantom of the Opera for the concert band
[06:38] <eliteforce> hi
[06:38] <reka> i know f-all about the sub-genres though.
[06:38] <caine> but i need Finale to finish it
[06:38] <eliteforce> wow thats wierd
[06:39] <podge> reka : that last caine comment of mine should have gone to you.. :)
[06:39] <eliteforce> powernowd always said 700mhz- .... cpu
[06:39] <caine> lol
[06:39] <eliteforce> now it says 800mhz-...
[06:39] <caine> ok back to my apollon problem
[06:39] <caine> lol
[06:39] <podge> caine : impressive stuff on the composition front..
[06:39] <iceman> ho do you turn off power management ? i hate my screen going blank ..
[06:39] <thoreauputic>  caine are you aware of apps on linux like rosegarden, audacity etc ?
[06:39] <[Spooky] > man i hate beeing stuk :/
[06:39] <reka> podge: central energy? is that trance?
[06:40] <caine> nope
[06:40] <caine> like i said before
[06:40] <caine> im really new to linux
[06:40] <reka> iceman: system->prefs->screensaver: advanced tab
[06:40] <reka> assuming your using gnome
[06:40] <reka> *you're
[06:40] <iceman> ty..
[06:40] <podge> reka : seriously.. I don't know if it fits entirely into the trance category.. my sister was playing it once and it sounded good and I got hooked..
[06:40] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> keep getting unknown error 255 when trying to burn an iso with k3b.. anyone know what is wrong ?
[06:41] <toshiba_> trying to edit xorg.conf w/ gedit.. appears to only be read-only.. any ideas on how to change that?
[06:41] <podge> thoreauputic : I compiled Ardour on Slackware and had no end of trouble.. I should try on ubuntu..
[06:41] <caine> ok need alot of help because i dont think apollon actually installed completely
[06:42] <reka> podge: ah, OK.  yeah, i get bored of the really "hardcore" stuff.  i think i'm more into bjork ... the slower stuff
[06:42] <podge> toshiba : sudo -s
[06:42] <Fator_Dee> caine: the dependencies should've come when you installed it from synaptic
[06:42] <caine> ok im reinstalling ig
[06:42] <caine> *it
[06:43] <jeroen_> toshiba_, you need to be superuser
[06:43] <Fator_Dee> caine: make sure you install giftd
[06:43] <reka> podge: do you get PBS and RRR out where you are?
[06:43] <podge> reka : I enjoy metal.. so the harder techno is more to my liking.. although I can appreciate the slower stuff..
[06:43] <jeroen_> toshiba_, press alt and f2 (at the same time), then type "gksudo gedit" (without quotes)
[06:43] <thoreauputic> caine: re ardour >> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7796
[06:43] <caine> thats not in the file
[06:43] <thoreauputic> caine: also look at rosegarden and audacity
[06:43] <Fator_Dee> caine: what file?
[06:43] <podge> reka : I remember Big Time Sensuality by Bjork .. it was background music on an amiga demo..
[06:44] <JohnnyFav> how do you get rid of broadcast mode on the networking adapter?
[06:44] <toshiba_> jeroen_, thank you.
[06:44] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> nm figured out what I needed to do
[06:44] <podge> reka: yep.. A girl I work with does the metal show on PBS on Sat night..
[06:44] <Echelon-H> how can I see the network members \ navigate in their HDD?
[06:44] <reka> podge: :-) my CG lecturer showed us some some bjork videos: ocenia and all is love
[06:44] <caine> h/o
[06:44] <reka> *oceania
[06:44] <jeroen_> Echelon-H, how about Places -> Network Servers?
[06:44] <caine> i just noticed something
[06:44] <caine> when it installs
[06:45] <reka> podge: ah, cool.
[06:45] <caine> it only installs one file at a time
[06:45] <podge> reka : If you want a kick arse CG video.. then go and see Star Wars Ep 3.. :)
[06:45] <Fator_Dee> caine: that's normal
[06:45] <caine> there a giftd file
[06:45] <caine> then 2 others
[06:45] <podge> reka : And matrix or course.. haha..
[06:45] <reka> podge: yeah, haven't seen it yet. *cowers*
[06:45] <reka> ep3 that is. :-)
[06:46] <podge> reka : I hated Ep1 and Ep2.. but Ep3 is great..
[06:46] <Echelon-H> jeroen_, I am using xfce, I guess you told me something about gnome.
[06:46] <JohnnyFav> is there a way to mount a ntfs drive in ubuntu?
[06:46] <Echelon-H> Ep3 pwnz :D
[06:46] <Fator_Dee> caine: do you have apollon and giftd and all the dependencies they needed installed now?
[06:46] <jeroen_> Echelon-H, yes
[06:46] <caine> umm no i dont think
[06:46] <caine> i isntalled apollon
[06:46] <caine> and the giftd file
[06:46] <Echelon-H> jeroen_, got any clue about xfce?
[06:46] <caine> but now i cant see the other 2 files
[06:47] <reka> podge: someone on slashdot was asking for opinions from people like that: people who hated 1 and 2 but liked 3.
[06:47] <caine> they didnt install
[06:47] <jeroen_> JohnnyFav, read the wiki
[06:47] <caine> but i cant get to them
[06:47] <jeroen_> Echelon-H, no
[06:47] <Fator_Dee> caine: you pressed apply and let it do it's thing?
[06:47] <JohnnyFav> tanx
[06:47] <caine> yeah but it asks you to pick one lol
[06:47] <reka> anyway, i'm going to bed
[06:47] <reka> night
[06:47] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> nite reka
[06:47] <podge> reka : Check out http://www.debevec.org/Campanile/ for some very cool CG stuff that inspired the matrix films..
[06:48] <Fator_Dee> caine: you should explain more about your situation, it's hard to think what you mean
[06:48] <podge> later reka
[06:48] <reka> podge: will do. :-)
[06:48] <caine> lol i dont even know what im talking about man lol
[06:48] <podge> reka : nearly 3 where we live..
[06:48] <caine> mouth is moving and words are coming out lol
[06:48] <podge> haha..
[06:48] <podge> night everyone..
[06:48] <Fator_Dee> caine: anyways, try to run apollon now
[06:49] <caine> and yet again
[06:49] <caine> nothing
[06:49] <caine> rub applications>apollon
[06:49] <caine> ok i located some stuff
[06:49] <caine> caine@Caine:~$ locate apollon
[06:49] <caine> /usr/share/man/man6/apollonian.6x.gz
[06:49] <caine> /usr/share/xscreensaver/config/apollonian.xml/usr/lib/xscreensaver/apollonian
[06:50] <thoreauputic> caine: those are screensavers :)
[06:50] <caine> yeah i kinda figured that lol
[06:50] <caine> i think the word screensaver kinda gave it away
[06:50] <caine> but then again im not too sure lol
[06:50] <thoreauputic> caine: yeah
[06:51] <ogi_> How do I install gtk and gdm themes
[06:51] <caine> GRRRR!!! AHHHH!!!
[06:51] <caine> this is so frustrating
[06:51] <caine> if i click mark for removal will that uninstall apollon
[06:51] <sylvan> Okay. I need some more help. I want to set up a VPN tunnel before I mount my remote drive. This is done using a script in /etc/init.d/, and it's supposed to happen automatically, but it doesn't. So I need that to happen before mounting my remote drives how does that work?
[06:52] <Fator_Dee> caine: yes, after you press apply
[06:52] <caine> uninstalling
[06:52] <Echelon-H> what is the command for xfce menu?
[06:53] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: there's  xfce4-menueditor  if that's what you mean
[06:53] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: try xfce4 <tab> <tab>
[06:53] <thoreauputic> or xfce <tab> tab>
[06:54] <justin> caine: aptitude install apollon- giftoxic
[06:54] <oscarh> have anyone exprienced that the fan never slows down on your laptop even though its not hot at all?
[06:54] <caine> wait aptitude?
[06:54] <oscarh> it runs slow when the laptop starts up
[06:54] <caine> where do i type that stuff
[06:54] <caine> in console?
[06:54] <justin> caine: where do you think?
[06:54] <thoreauputic> caine: yes
[06:54] <oscarh> and icreases the speed when it gets hot
[06:54] <caine> just checking lol
[06:54] <oscarh> but never slows down again
[06:55] <thoreauputic> caine: in general when we say to type something that's what we mean :)
[06:55] <justin> you could type it into your web browser, but I don't think it would do you much good
[06:55] <oscarh> never speeds up if it doesn't get hot either
[06:55] <caine> k
[06:55] <caine> wow thats alot of stuff
[06:55] <caine> Initializing package states... Done
[06:55] <caine> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[06:55] <caine> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[06:55] <caine> caine@Caine:~$
[06:55] <Fator_Dee> caine: exit synaptic
[06:55] <thoreauputic> caine: close synaptic
[06:55] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: heh
[06:56] <Fator_Dee> :-p
[06:56] <justin> Fator_Dee: thoreauputic , way to not even bother to read the error message
[06:56] <oscarh> bad timing, have to go
[06:56] <caine> k
[06:56] <caine> try again?
[06:57] <justin> you could try again, but it is not going to work until you read the error message
[06:57] <Fator_Dee> justin: fingers faster than brains, common syndrome :-|
[06:58] <thoreauputic> justin: hmm - you failed to include the magic word "sudo" in your incantation
[06:58] <justin> thoreauputic: I give people too much credit
[06:58] <caine> ok i closed synap and tried again
[06:58] <Shuddertrix> justin: gotta remember, caine seems like an _actual_ newbie
[06:58] <caine> nothing happend
[06:58] <Fator_Dee> justin: but you are dealing with a new user, so they don't know the tricks
[06:59] <caine> i am an actual newbie lol
[06:59] <caine> ill admit it i dont care
[06:59] <Fator_Dee> caine: add "sudo" to the start
[06:59] <caine> as long as people help me learn this stuff so i can do this on my own later on
[06:59] <jari_> caine: 'sudo -s' or 'sudo apt-get <something>'
[06:59] <caine> ty
[06:59] <justin> being new is no excuse for not reading the error message
[06:59] <justin> it is in plain english
[06:59] <LarstiQ> justin: I can't read English!
[06:59] <Shuddertrix> justin: true
[06:59] <Fator_Dee> justin: but it doesn't tell you how to get past it
[07:00] <caine> the error msg doesnt say shit thank you very much
[07:00] <justin> well then it is in plain $LANG
[07:00] <nubbe> Is there an easy way to install new mouse pointers? how?
[07:00] <thoreauputic> justin: that is the attitude of one who is accustomed to linux
[07:00] <LarstiQ> justin: ick, I dislike $LANG
[07:00] <justin> thoreauputic: it is clear that he didn't even bother to attempt to read it
[07:00] <caine> ok confused what do i add to the front..sudo...sudo -s....sudo apt-get
[07:01] <thoreauputic> justin: it is clear that you lack a certain empathy for the new and confused
[07:01] <Fator_Dee> caine: sudo
[07:01] <caine> ty
[07:01] <justin> thoreauputic: new and confused are no excuse for not reading what is on the screen
[07:01] <caine> ok its asking for my password but it wont let me type it ion
[07:01] <caine> *in
[07:01] <thoreauputic> justin: take that attitude to #debian. please
[07:02] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: auch ;-)
[07:02] <justin> thoreauputic: hand holding gets you and the person you are helping no where, fast
[07:02] <jari_> caine: just type your password and press enter
[07:02] <caine> but its not typing anything
[07:02] <caine> is it supposed to?
[07:02] <Fator_Dee> caine: normal
[07:02] <jari_> caine: yep.
[07:02] <caine> ok
[07:03] <thoreauputic> caine: that way no one can read your password
[07:03] <caine> lol
[07:03] <caine> whos gonna read it on my comp lol
[07:03] <Fator_Dee> you
[07:03] <thoreauputic> caine: *nix takes security seriously :)
[07:03] <caine> exactly
[07:03] <caine> me
[07:03] <iratsu> my xmms freezes when i try to play something
[07:03] <Fator_Dee> so now you don't know your password :-p
[07:03] <caine> im glad they do lol
[07:04] <thoreauputic> caine: but what if you had someone looking over your shoulder?
[07:04] <caine> i usually tell them to turn around lol
[07:04] <nubbe> caine, ur home isn't the only place they got computers?
[07:04] <caine> ok that finishedn
[07:04] <caine> *finished
[07:04] <caine> now what
[07:04] <slashzul> how does one reset the Xserver for better graphics than 600x800
[07:04] <slashzul> looks like windows 95
[07:04] <jari_> iratsu: alsa/oss ?
[07:05] <thoreauputic> iratsu: try using the esd output plugin
[07:05] <iratsu> jari_: oss
[07:05] <iratsu> ok
[07:05] <iratsu> ok that worked, thanks
[07:05] <slashzul> tried system->preferencees->screen resolution * only has one option
[07:05] <caine> nubbe: anybody who wants to steal shit off my comp is a dumbass
[07:05] <slashzul> how does one reset the Xserver for better graphics than 600x800
[07:06] <JDahl> caine,
[07:06] <Fator_Dee> caine: I'd guess now you should try to execute that program you just installed
[07:06] <JDahl> caine, linux is used in lots of places where it matters
[07:06] <nubbe> caine, hehe, u got 1 way of looking at it don't u??? :)
[07:06] <caine> lol no
[07:06] <slashzul> caine - except for buntu, they use debian for real servers
[07:06] <caine> but the way you worded it nubbe it sounded like thats the way you were trying to make it seem
[07:07] <caine> sry if i misunderstood
[07:07] <thoreauputic> slashzul: the whole ubuntu website runs on ubuntu
[07:07] <caine> Cannot display location 'file://apollon'
[07:07] <caine> Details: There is no default action associated with this location.
[07:07] <slashzul> sure it does .... it runs like a debian server not as a ubuntu server
[07:07] <itamar> hi
[07:07] <slashzul> no desktop , strictly a server with massive updates
[07:07] <itamar> I'm getting "/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux/4.0.0/../../../../lib/crt1.o: file not recognized: File format not recognized" when trying to link a program
[07:07] <slashzul> from apt-get update ;)
[07:07] <itamar> and similar issues with gcc 3.3 and 3.4
[07:08] <itamar> any ideas why?
[07:08] <Seveas> slashzul, it runs ubuntu stable
[07:08] <Seveas> so no updates escept security
[07:08] <Seveas> except*
[07:08] <thoreauputic> slashzul: you are misinformed
[07:08] <slashzul> ok , so how do you reset the freaking desktop
[07:08] <slashzul> how does one reset the Xserver for better graphics than 600x800
[07:09] <iratsu> how do i get sound working in vlc?
[07:09] <JDahl> slashzul, maybe you need to do "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[07:09] <Seveas> slashzul, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg / manually edit xorg.conf / buy better hardware
[07:09] <Seveas> iratsu, make vlc use esound/esd
[07:09] <caine> ITS WORKING MUHAHAHA!!!
[07:09] <iratsu> Seveas: well that isn't one of the options =\
[07:09] <caine> there was a window under everything
[07:09] <thoreauputic> itamar: binutils problem
[07:09] <thoreauputic> being fixed
[07:09] <Seveas> enlightenment then
[07:09] <Seveas> thoreauputic, IS fixed :)
[07:10] <itamar> I'm running latest hoary
[07:10] <thoreauputic> Seveas: OK - good :)
[07:10] <yaaar> word
[07:10] <iratsu> Seveas: Default, Dummy audio output function, File audio output, Linux OSS audio output
[07:10] <Seveas> itamar, there has been an upgrade one or two hours ago
[07:10] <caine> hey guys thanks for helping me with that
[07:10] <poningru> anyon know how I can choose the different packages?
[07:10] <caine> now i just gotta do crossover or wine
[07:10] <caine> and flash lol
[07:10] <thoreauputic> itamar: sounds like you should run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:10] <poningru> at install
[07:10] <Seveas> poningru, aptitude/synaptic..
[07:10] <Seveas> caine, flash is easy
[07:10] <caine> u say that
[07:10] <Seveas> unless you're on amd64
[07:11] <poningru> no other way?
[07:11] <caine> but have you been here the whole time lol
[07:11] <poningru> lets say at install
[07:11] <LarstiQ> Seveas: or ppc..
[07:11] <Seveas> poningru, boot with server option
[07:11] <caine> you havent been here reading what we've been going through with my comp lol
[07:11] <Seveas> caine, i386?
[07:11] <poningru> yeah not what I meant but thanks anyway
[07:11] <itamar> indeed, that fixed it. thanks!
[07:11] <caine> Ubuntu i386 yes
[07:12] <Seveas> caine, install flashplater-mozilla
[07:12] <Seveas> (may be from marillat, that one's still ok)
[07:12] <caine> ok whats the actually command for that lol
[07:12] <poningru> also another question when the screen is locked and you press alt+F4 and it goes into the blinking cursor how can you start up x11 again
[07:13] <justin> caine: don't you already know 2 different ways of installing things now?
[07:13] <caine> i know 1 still lol
[07:13] <justin> caine: do you really need to be told specifically how to install something?
[07:13] <caine> yall confused me really good with the terminal stuff
[07:13] <caine> and i couldnt find any flash stuff in synap
[07:13] <justin> then use that way that you know, to install the package that has flash in the name and calls itself a plugin
[07:14] <caine> hey there is some flash stuff now
[07:15] <caine> but theres so many things here
[07:15] <caine> do i need all of them
[07:15] <justin> how many is "so many"?
[07:15] <justin> how many of them claim to be a plugin?
[07:15] <caine> liflash-mozlugin and newsflash and all kindsa stuff
[07:15] <caine> i dont know
[07:15] <usual> Has anyone gotten power managment to work correctly on a thinkpad t22?
[07:15] <justin> why don't you know?
[07:15] <thoreauputic> caine: flashplayer-mozilla
[07:15] <thoreauputic> justin: stop it
[07:15] <iratsu> can anyone help me get audio working under vlc?
[07:16] <justin> thoreauputic: why don't you stop it
[07:16] <justin> caine: is there something preventing you from clicking on 'newsflash' and READING the description for it?
[07:16] <caine> justin must you be such a jackass lol
[07:17] <thoreauputic> justin: because I've been helping people here for months and I have seen you only in #debian AFAIK, usually with the same belligerent attitude
[07:17] <justin> who is being belligerent ?
[07:17] <usual> msg me if you use ubuntu on a thinkpad t22 and have power managment working correctly please
[07:17] <caine> im a NOOB and i dont know SHIT
[07:17] <justin> who is spoonfeeding someone who clearly isn't making any effort to solve their own problems?
[07:17] <JDahl> justin, Ubuntu is geared more towards casual users than Debian, and with a company behind they need to offer some sort of support for *all* users... this channel is that forum
[07:17] <caine> i admit it proudly
[07:17] <justin> caine: what the fuck does being a "NOOB" have to do with you not bothering to read the description for 'newsreader'?
[07:18] <hybrid_goth> wow xmms is nice
[07:18] <caine> the descriptions dont tell me shit man
[07:18] <carthik> caine, that is a good beginning, but you also need to connect the dots, and make an effort :)
[07:18] <justin> caine: maybe you should read them and lose your attitude
[07:18] <caine> justin if i remember correctly your the reason i have the attitude
[07:19] <caine> so how about you make an effort to shut the fuck uo
[07:19] <caine> *up
[07:19] <justin> being a "NOOB" does not mean you are too special to read what is on your screen
[07:19] <caine> if your not gonna help than keep your mouth shut
[07:19] <Lifehouse> hello
[07:20] <Lifehouse> anyone here using breezy
[07:20] <Burgundavia> caine, please watch the language and remember to Ubuntu code of conduct
[07:20] <Lifehouse> hybrid_goth, lol hi
[07:20] <hybrid_goth> Lifehouse: hi
[07:20] <JDahl> Lifehouse, I was, but it was so much trouble I reinstalled Hoary
[07:20] <Lifehouse> do I have to uncomment my repository ?
[07:20] <Burgundavia> justin, please follow the same advice
[07:20] <caine> just cause youve been using this OS longer than i have does not give you the damn right to talk down to me as if you are god or some kind of power hungry superior
[07:20] <justin> Burgundavia: site specific examples where I have been anything other than nice
[07:20] <hybrid_goth> Lifehouse: delete the # in the sources.list
[07:20] <Burgundavia> Lifehouse, yes I am, but highly not recommended
[07:21] <justin> caine: site specific examples where I have talked down to you
[07:21] <toshiba_> What apps do you guys use to install fonts?
[07:21] <hybrid_goth> Burgundavia: how long have you had it?
[07:21] <Burgundavia> justin, caine the attitude and environment is getting rather nasty and you are the two on eitehr side of it
[07:21] <Lifehouse> hybrid_goth, to security too ?
[07:21] <Burgundavia> hybrid_goth, since about May 12th
[07:21] <hybrid_goth> toshiba_: you should be able to d/l the font then move it to ~/.fonts
[07:21] <toshiba_> hybrid_goth, ttf fonts will do?
[07:21] <Burgundavia> toshiba_, you can also move it fonts:/// in nautilus
[07:21] <hybrid_goth> Burgundavia: ah b/c i remember you telling ppl not to ude it
[07:22] <hybrid_goth> Lifehouse: ?
[07:22] <Burgundavia> hybrid_goth, I still tell people that
[07:22] <hybrid_goth> Burgundavia: heh
[07:22] <Burgundavia> if you do not know what you are doing, then don't upgrade
[07:22] <caine> oh wow theres an ignore button
[07:22] <caine> click
[07:22] <Lifehouse> hybrid_goth, the universe and the last security urls are coment, just uncomment universe or uncomment all that are comment?
[07:22] <hybrid_goth> Burgundavia: I like helping out in the process :D makes me feeling like i am actually being a productive user
[07:22] <Burgundavia> hybrid_goth, yes
[07:23] <hybrid_goth> Lifehouse: yes but idk if breezy has security
[07:23] <toshiba_> Burgundavia, TTF fonts will do?, or has to be a special type of font? (linux newbie here)
[07:23] <Lifehouse> hybrid_goth, no prob thanks
[07:23] <hybrid_goth> Burgundavia: any major bugs where you are?
[07:23] <Burgundavia> toshiba_, any kind
[07:23] <caine> ok thats one jack ignored lol
[07:23] <Burgundavia> hybrid_goth, just major package transitions
[07:23] <Lifehouse> hybrid_goth, so why breezy has kernel 2.6.10 ?
[07:23] <toshiba_> Burgundavia, will try that, ty.
[07:23] <Burgundavia> caine, you are being very rude, I suggest you quit it
[07:23] <Burgundavia> toshiba_, np
[07:23] <caine> now where was i
[07:23] <hybrid_goth> Lifehouse: they usually open security after the release
[07:23] <caine> ah yes trying to figure out which flash plugin to install
[07:23] <Lifehouse> hybrid_goth, yea
[07:23] <caine> theres so many
[07:23] <hybrid_goth> Burgundavia:  i have to sudo to startx
[07:24] <caine> i would guess the one that says mozilla
[07:24] <hybrid_goth> Lifehouse: so the repos wont help much the security one atleast
[07:24] <Burgundavia> consolidating which spelling library, mono to main, toolchain stuff
[07:24] <Church_of_FoamY> how do you install a .deb file?
[07:24] <sylvan> Okay. So I'm trying to start up a VPN tunnel at bootup (before mounting remote file systems). I got VPN up and running by using the init script that was supplied. But I also need to say something like "vpnclient connect myconn".. How do I do that? It seems like its working but vpnclient cant be run with an ampersand (for some reason) and I need to run it in "background" mode or something so that the boot can continue...
[07:24] <caine> but theres others too that are like development files
[07:24] <caine> stand along player
[07:24] <hybrid_goth> Church_of_FoamY: sudo dpkg -i <file>
[07:24] <caine> *alone
[07:24] <Church_of_FoamY> thats what  thought
[07:24] <Church_of_FoamY> thanx you
[07:24] <hybrid_goth> np
[07:24] <Burgundavia> Church_of_FoamY, or you can install gdeb
[07:25] <sylvan> So I need a script which basically runs the command and then after a certain amount of time returns (even though the command is still running)
[07:25] <hybrid_goth> Burgundavia: heh install some thing to install something sounds like redhat
[07:25] <JDahl> Church_of_FoamY, why do you need to install a deb? Is the package not in one of the Ubuntu repositories?
[07:25] <justin> sylvan: vpnc is much easier to get working than the crap from cisco
[07:26] <hybrid_goth> JDahl: maybe non free
[07:26] <sylvan> well I got it to work manually, so I just need it to work automatically =)
[07:26] <Burgundavia> hybrid_goth, I would palce money on Opera or skype
[07:26] <hybrid_goth> me too
[07:26] <hybrid_goth> i hate that they dont have ppc linux skype
[07:26] <justin> using a & should work, you probably want to write an initscript and install it as S19 or so
[07:27] <usual> someone here has to be using ubuntu on a thinkpad
[07:27] <hybrid_goth> skype needs to be foss
[07:27] <sylvan> vpnclient_init gets executed at bootup now, but I need to start the VPN client but after it is started I need to release control of the terminal.. But ampersands won't work since vpnclient detects that and fails (since it needs you to answer "yes" at one point, which I do by piping an echo "yes" to it)
[07:27] <hybrid_goth> usual: the thinkpad is illrevelant
[07:27] <usual> hybrid_goth, how so?
[07:27] <sylvan> isn't there a command like "exec" or something?
[07:27] <justin> sylvan: why does it ask yes again?
[07:27] <JDahl> usual, I have...
[07:27] <usual> JDahl, t22?
[07:27] <JDahl> usual, t40p
[07:27] <sylvan> something like "Everything is logged, do you want to continue?"
[07:28] <hybrid_goth> usual: b/c it maybe a i prob with a peice of hardware on it therefore can be on anything else
[07:28] <usual> JDahl, did power managment just work?
[07:28] <usual> ...
[07:28] <JDahl> usual, I dont remember... and if I had a choice, I would've disabled it... that always caused such a grief under Debian
[07:29] <hybrid_goth> do i *have* to have internet on install of ubuntu? can i install it then get the lan card and use it?
[07:29] <usual> JDahl, ok, everything seems fine other than shutdown, I havn't tried to suspend yet though
[07:29] <sylvan> So basically: I need to start a command but without that command taking control of the terminal, but without using ampersands.
[07:29] <justin> sylvan: it doesn't work if you make a wrapper that just does echo yes | ./vpn... and running the wrapper with & ?
[07:29] <sylvan> hmm.. maybe.. I'll try that...
[07:30] <justin> or just (echo yes | vpn... ) & would work too, but a wrapper is useful to have anyway
[07:30] <justin> that way when you switch to vpnc you only have to change one thing :-)
[07:30] <sylvan> This seemed to work: # echo "yes" | vpnclient connect CHALMERS\ IPSEC\ group &
[07:31] <sylvan> I only tried the ampersand before without the echo yes part
[07:31] <nubbe> hybrid_goth, no, u can install from cd or dvd and be fine
[07:31] <srbaker> i'm trying to play some MPGs and AVIs
[07:31] <srbaker> i get audio just fine, but no video
[07:31] <srbaker> is there other codecs i need?
[07:31] <thoreauputic> srbaker: probably w32codecs
[07:31] <hybrid_goth> nubbe: ok ty
[07:32] <srbaker> oh, suck
[07:32] <srbaker> hey, totem-xine plays them just fine
[07:32] <nubbe> hybrid_goth, if it doesn't detect any nic or modem, it doesn't enable any internet repositories
[07:32] <toshiba_> Is there a way, with ubuntu, to search for files in a window like you do it with Windows by pressing F3?
[07:32] <thoreauputic> srbaker: what were you using when it didn't work?
[07:33] <hybrid_goth> nubbe: what if i put the lan card in later? will it detec itr
[07:33] <hybrid_goth> s/itr/it
[07:33] <HappyFool> toshiba_: tried 'Places -> Search for Files... ' ?
[07:34] <nubbe> hybrid_goth, no idea if it's auto  :(
[07:34] <hybrid_goth> ok
[07:34] <hybrid_goth> ty
[07:34] <iceman> anyone know where you can get good icon themes ?
[07:34] <hybrid_goth> anyone know if ubuntu detects newly added lan cards?
[07:35] <brettstil> art.gnome.org
[07:35] <iceman> kde themes
[07:35] <toshiba_> HappyFool, 'Search for Files' only under the 'Places' on the top panel, which you then have to specify your path.. But what if I wana search for files in the window that I have opened in front of me..?
[07:36] <jamel> Hi. Anyone know the ip address of the neufbox? (france, neuf telecom) I need to set the default gateway
[07:36] <thoreauputic> toshiba_: that's application specific: some apps have a search function (mail etc)
[07:36] <justin> jamel: why are you setting that up manually?
[07:36] <sylvan> okay. Another question. Is it possible to change the language back to English? Without changing the keymap..
[07:36] <Riddell> iceman: kde-look.org  or apt-get install kdeartwork
[07:36] <jamel> because dhcp doesnt work
[07:36] <justin> jamel: why doesn't dhcp work?
[07:36] <sylvan> (I set it to swedish during the install)
[07:36] <HappyFool> toshiba_: it looks like you can't easily do that. I'm not actually a heavy nautilus user, so I can't say for sure
[07:36] <xMaximex_> is there a way to install mozilla themes and extension in ubuntu ?? it says that i do not have latest version
[07:36] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> stupid cd!!!!!
[07:37] <iceman> riddell thanks
[07:37] <HappyFool> toshiba_: what are you trying to achieve?
[07:37] <jamel> it sticks at boot time trying to set up the network
[07:37] <toshiba_> thoreauputic, no, not an app.. i'm browsing a directory and want to search for files where im browsing.. seems i can't do it.
[07:37] <justin> xMaximex_: doesn't it say something else under where it says you don't have the latest version?
[07:37] <xMaximex_> holdon
[07:37] <justin> jamel: is dhcp supposed to work?
[07:37] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> waited till after I had repartitioned my drive to let me know that the cd was bad
[07:37] <xMaximex_> i'll check it out
[07:37] <toshiba_> HappyFool, hm.. what do you use instead of 'nautilus' ? Simply trying to search for files in the window I have opened.
[07:37] <jamel> justin: Apparently not :)
[07:38] <justin> jamel: well it is an important detail
[07:38] <HappyFool> toshiba_: i use the command-line ;) which may not be much help, sorry
[07:38] <HappyFool> there's a 'find' command, and also 'locate'
[07:38] <danko123456> I like gthumb, its so fast to make a web album, combined with Ubuntu/linux and a digital camera, you can get it all done in a sec, to have someone on the other side of the globe see your pics...
[07:38] <toshiba_> HappyFool, thanks!..
[07:38] <xMaximex_> Firefox on Ubuntu
[07:38] <xMaximex_> You appear to be using the Firefox package provided by Ubuntu Linux. Ubuntu distributed a new version of Firefox which contains the security fixes from Firefox 1.0.4, however, they did not update the version number, so we have no way to tell whether your copy of Firefox contains the security fixes or not. A request to Ubuntu to update the version number has been filed at Ubuntu Bug 10681. A workaround you can use to get access to addons.mozilla.org is gi
[07:38] <jamel> justin: do you know the ip address of the neufbox so I can at least see if dhcp is set or not?
[07:38] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> now going to have to re download kubuntu and burn it again
[07:39] <nubbe> jamel, U can choose english at login worked ok for me, shouldn't affect keymap
[07:39] <justin> jamel: no.. are you sure you aren't supposed to be using PPPOE?
[07:39] <jamel> nubbe: wrong person ;)
[07:39] <danko123456> xMaximex_: what? continue? there is a fix...
[07:39] <tarvid> i have an ethernet and wireless interface - eth0 and ath0
[07:39] <danko123456> Pop_pa_FrEaK: use a torrent.
[07:39] <nubbe> jamel, yupp, sorry  :)
[07:39] <tarvid> i can choose between them by deactivating one or the other
[07:39] <justin> danko123456: yes, if you READ the whole thing, and follow the link it gives you, then READ that page, it tells you hwo to fix it
[07:39] <jamel> justin: I am using pppoe, but i want to set a static address so dhcp doesn't hang there at boot time
[07:40] <xMaximex_> danko123456: where ?
[07:40] <iceman> well, been in kde look ... but how to install the icons ?
[07:40] <tarvid> when both are active i get both routes
[07:40] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> danko123456, ok will try that
[07:40] <poningru> danko123456: why would you say use a torrent?
[07:40] <danko123456> yup, xMaximex_its easy, really
[07:40] <HappyFool> Pop_pa_FrEaK: you can probably check the md5sum of the downloaded ISO file
[07:40] <Lifehouse> hybrid_goth, breezy is debian testing or debian unstable
[07:40] <poningru> xmaximex: go to about:config
[07:40] <danko123456> open ff, tyope in about:config in the address.
[07:40] <tarvid> is there an easy way to choose to keep the ethernet route but keep the wireless card active?
[07:40] <justin> jamel: if you can't get it working now, using a static address likely isn't going to work either
[07:40] <xMaximex_> poningru: ok
[07:40] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> k3b said the iso was fine after md5sum
[07:41] <danko123456> then find *.vendorsub and double click on the 1.0 change it to 1.0.4 and that is it
[07:41] <poningru> yeah what he said
[07:41] <danko123456> poningru: cause its easiest...and guaranteed.
[07:41] <poningru> but doesnt it take longer?
[07:41] <sijmen> goodmorning ubuntu. let's all live together in peace.
[07:41] <jamel> justin: lol. ill just leqve it then and tell the guy who's pc it is that it is neuf's fault it takes so long to boot up :D
[07:41] <poningru> I am downloading hoary right now
[07:41] <danko123456> ha, no...
[07:41] <hybrid_goth> Lifehouse: modified sid
[07:41] <sijmen> but to do that, i need to know how to add/remove init startup entries, for ssh and such
[07:42] <poningru> I am getting around 80KB/sec
[07:42] <sijmen> any ideas? the wiki couldn't help me
[07:42] <danko123456> torrent is best for speed, I think, anyhow, not speaking from knowledge, more from other pl knowledtge...altho, mine did download pretty fast.
[07:42] <HappyFool> Pop_pa_FrEaK: hrm. if the md5sum of the iso you have is correct, downloading it again is unlikely to help you much
[07:42] <danko123456> not use http...that is not guaranteed as service.
[07:42] <danko123456> it has checksum errors, ftop and torrent dont.
[07:42] <iceman> riddell i downloaded the marble icons .. is there  way to group install them
[07:42] <jamel> ok. another question. Is there a French Ubuntu channel here for my friend. he can't speak english
[07:42] <justin> http is fine, bittorrent does not work very well on already fast links
[07:42] <thoreauputic> sijmen: use update-rc.d ( the man page is pretty easy to follow)
[07:42] <danko123456> justin: well, I still thinmk what I said:)
[07:43] <othernoob> jamel: ubuntu-fr
[07:43] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> might of been burned to fast though
[07:43] <hybrid_goth> jamel: yes but i dont know the name
[07:43] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> too*
[07:43] <sijmen> danko123456, danke!
[07:43] <iceman> kde want to import a package ...
[07:43] <danko123456> Just cause I just had a telecomm course+ I work for an ISP, so I have someknowledge that goes against what you said.
[07:43] <hybrid_goth> jamel: ubuntu-fe i_think_
[07:43] <danko123456> sijmen: for what?
[07:43] <jamel> othernoob: thanks or should i say, merci :)
[07:43] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> what's the difference between the dvd and cd install ?
[07:43] <danko123456> :)
[07:43] <hybrid_goth> Pop_pa_FrEaK: dvd prolly has more
[07:43] <justin> danko123456: I sort of work for an ISP too, and what you said about http is completely false
[07:43] <othernoob> jamel: thanks or danke ;)
[07:43] <jamel> cyas
[07:44] <danko123456> ok, cool.
[07:44] <justin> granted bittorrent does on the fly checksumming, but if your http file transers are getting corrupted, you have bigger problems
[07:44] <sijmen> danko123456, sorry, tabbed to early. was for thoreauputic
[07:44] <danko123456> kk:)
[07:44] <danko123456> welcome
[07:44] <xMaximex_> cool, that works
[07:45] <danko123456> justin, anyhow, are you familiar with the concept of a protocol guaranteeing service?
[07:45] <drcode> hi all
[07:45] <drcode> any one up
[07:45] <danko123456> hey, drcode.
[07:45] <drcode> any one know about xpdf
[07:45] <justin> danko123456: how so?
[07:45] <danko123456> yes, I use it:)
[07:45] <drcode> k
[07:45] <|QuaD-_> without coding my own client, i want to just request a webpage, and spoof the referrer, is that easy to do with ff?
[07:45] <danko123456> justin, did you ever hear that concept?
[07:45] <justin> danko123456: not specifically in those words
[07:45] <drcode> I have pdf file with font problem
[07:46] <drcode> I want to convert it into ps and change his font
[07:46] <danko123456> justin, well, some protocols have guaranteed service, some dont...
[07:46] <drcode> is it possible
[07:46] <justin> danko123456: I think you are referring to the difference between tcp and udp
[07:46] <Church_of_FoamY> how do i delete folders in cedega?
[07:46] <drcode> i read about pdf to ps
[07:46] <justin> danko123456: but you have it backwards
[07:46] <danko123456> anyhow, I am not positive on this neither, so we'll both rtfm and see what happens:)
[07:46] <danko123456> wellm, it is one of those, yes.
[07:46] <danko123456> or tftp vs ftp.
[07:46] <HappyFool> i'm guessing pdf2ps doesn't work if you have font problems ?
[07:47] <danko123456> or http vs ftp vs torrent
[07:47] <danko123456> :-p
[07:47] <justin> the only reason bittorrent would be better for people is that it checksums the file on the fly, but for someone that uses http/ftp/rsync + md5sum, bittorrent has little advantage
[07:47] <Church_of_FoamY> how do i delete folders in cedega?
[07:47] <danko123456> drcode: what is ps??
[07:47] <HappyFool> postscript
[07:47] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ahh dvd has a live and install version on it
[07:47] <drcode> 
[07:47] <drcode> yrs
[07:47] <danko123456> wow
[07:47] <drcode> yes
[07:47] <danko123456> dunno, never use it...
[07:47] <drcode> I Want to chane the font into arial and so
[07:48] <HappyFool> drcode: does pdf2ps not work ?
[07:48] <drcode> it put the same font from the orginal pdf
[07:48] <Church_of_FoamY> how to delete folders as root?
[07:48] <sijmen> i'm getting this error:  update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/start: file does not exist
[07:48] <HappyFool> sudo rm -rf <foldername>      --- but be careful with that!
[07:48] <danko123456> torrent can use multiple sources, but so can you with that one http downlaoder prozxilla or something.
[07:48] <Church_of_FoamY> ok
[07:48] <thoreauputic> Church_of_FoamY: rm -r <folder>
[07:49] <danko123456> but, http ois not guaranteed, so if your connection drops, screwed=
[07:49] <justin> sijmen: do you expect to have an /etc/init.d/start? because there is no such normal file
[07:49] <thoreauputic> safer
[07:49] <justin> danko123456: that has nothing to do with http
[07:49] <danko123456> ok, if you are sure, I ll take it.
[07:49] <yccheok> hi, may i noe which file i should look into to see how does my scim start background?
[07:49] <nubbe> anyone know anything about stickynotes2? I have to go thru config to write anything...
[07:50] <yccheok> coz sometimes, i saw there is two same scim process started. one is started by root, one is started by me
[07:50] <drcode> any one know channel of postscript or pdf in linux?
[07:50] <danko123456> I know that at work, if ppl download big files, and have an intermittent connection, dropping every half hour, they can browse/surf, but cant get the file to download
[07:50] <sijmen> justin, that error came when i tried to do   update-rc.d -n start ssh
[07:50] <thoreauputic> sijmen: you apply it to the particular service etc (eg alsa, ssh)
[07:50] <sijmen> i just want to try to add ssh to the startup entries
[07:50] <charlie_> Can I install java using apt ?
[07:51] <HappyFool> drcode: you could maybe try a newsgroup. you seem to have a lot of difficult pdf/ps problems ;).
[07:51] <danko123456> it does strart with yuor comop, sijmen
[07:51] <thoreauputic> sijmen: it should already be there
[07:51] <danko123456> charlie_: yes.
[07:51] <sijmen> oh, okay
[07:51] <danko123456> www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:51] <danko123456> I typed that out
[07:51] <thoreauputic> sijmen: have you installed openssh-server?
[07:51] <drcode> k
[07:51] <drcode> thanx
[07:51] <danko123456> charlie, the link is for you.
[07:51] <sijmen> i have not the slightest idea
[07:51] <sijmen> i guess not
[07:52] <danko123456> sudo apt-get install it
[07:52] <sijmen> i did only a server install, and no additional installations yet
[07:52] <sijmen> okay
[07:52] <Seveas> sijmen, sudo aptitude install openssh-server
[07:52] <Seveas> sijmen, and join #ubuntu-nl too :o)
[07:52] <drcode> btw: if I Have using openvpn with redirect
[07:52] <sijmen> aptitude?
[07:52] <drcode> can I tell openvpn some port to send by vpn gw?
[07:52] <danko123456> same thing
[07:52] <drcode> I now redirect all port
[07:52] <danko123456> synaptic/apt-get/sptitude, they are guis.
[07:52] <drcode> but is it possible some port ?
[07:52] <danko123456> except apt-get"_
[07:52] <danko123456> :)
[07:52] <justin> aptitude is not the same thing as apt-get, it has many advantages
[07:53] <toshiba_> Does anyone here use custom (optimized) firefox builds?
[07:53] <danko123456> jusitn, doesnt it use apt-get, just a graph front-end?
[07:53] <justin> danko123456: not at all
[07:53] <danko123456> toshiba_: I use epiphany-browser:-p
[07:53] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ahhh forget it I'll just use ubuntu and add kde that way i can have best of both worlds
[07:53] <danko123456> hah, I thought that was a fact:)
[07:53] <danko123456> good stuff, Ill stick around, Ill learn more:)
[07:54] <danko123456> or remove gnome:)
[07:54] <HappyFool> what are the virtues of aptitude over apt-get?
[07:54] <toshiba_> danko123456, faster than FF?
[07:54] <danko123456> I dont mind the speed thing, I am patient, dunno.
[07:54] <justin> HappyFool: /var/log/aptitude, propper orphaned package handling
[07:54] <danko123456> bah, what song I have in the player:) the wyclef jean remix of queen.
[07:55] <toshiba_> danko123456, any reasons in particular why you chose epiphany over FF?
[07:55] <sijmen> i didn't get any output from   sudo aptitude install ssh-server   is that good or bad?
[07:55] <HappyFool> justin: ok, thanks
[07:55] <danko123456> yes, it looks natural-gtk
[07:55] <danko123456> in gnome...altho right now, I am in 9wm
[07:55] <sijmen> oh wait, openssh it is
[07:55] <danko123456> well, dunno, particualr reason, I am in linux, I may as well use something that is not available in win.
[07:57] <danko123456> I am making a distro, tho...nero, adobe acrobat, firefox:-p, and such programs...
[07:57] <Church_of_FoamY> i orderd 100 copys of ubuntu to pass out to stores and the local colledge
[07:57] <Echelon-h> Hi!
[07:57] <danko123456> sweet, hopefully theyll use it.
[07:57] <sijmen> sudo apt-get install openssh-server   doesn't give any output, neither does aptitude. what is going wrong?
[07:57] <danko123456> you gonna set it up for them?
[07:57] <Church_of_FoamY> i know i'm hoping
[07:57] <Echelon-h> Can xmms play internet location? (Radio station)
[07:57] <danko123456> it has to give some output.
[07:57] <Church_of_FoamY> i gave a few to the local lan arcade
[07:57] <danko123456> does it say newest version already installed?
[07:57] <thoreauputic> Echelon-h: yes
[07:57] <Church_of_FoamY> there running it on a test computer
[07:58] <danko123456> you gonna help them set it up?
[07:58] <Church_of_FoamY> of course
[07:58] <danko123456> there is a bit of overhead involved...
[07:58] <sijmen> WOW default ubuntu looks gooed
[07:58] <danko123456> cool.
[07:58] <sijmen> and the sound!
[07:58] <danko123456> the intro? i like it...
[07:58] <Church_of_FoamY> i know the ubuntu start sound rocks ^_^
[07:58] <Echelon-h> thoreauputic, hi.
[07:58] <danko123456> the one when the splash screen starts, pretty nice.
[07:58] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> sijmen, welcome to the great community of ubuntu users
[07:58] <HappyFool> sijmen: try maybe 'dpkg -l openssh-server' ?
[07:58] <Church_of_FoamY> i noticed that they also play it backwards on shutdown lol
[07:58] <Echelon-h> thoreauputic, was it you trying to help me with the menu thing earlier?
[07:59] <danko123456> ha, yaeh:)
[07:59] <danko123456> Echelon-h: what was it?
[07:59] <thoreauputic> Echelon-h: I don't actually recall, sorry
[07:59] <CrustyPunk> Hey.. I'm having trouble booting to Windows
[07:59] <sijmen> HappyFool, no packages found
[07:59] <danko123456> sijmen: hey, did yuo know you can use http://pastebin.com to paste everything?
[07:59] <Echelon-h> k.. Well anyways, I am trying to make my win-key (which usually activatees "Start") to do the same on xfce.
[07:59] <danko123456> CrustyPunk: same hard disk?
[08:00] <thoreauputic> danko123456: there's also ubuntu.pastebin.com
[08:00] <CrustyPunk> Yeah, same disk, one an XP partition, the other Ubuntu
[08:00] <sijmen> danko123456, like, commands?
[08:00] <danko123456> hm...is there a start button in xfce?
[08:00] <Echelon-h> I know how to create keyboard shortcuts but I wanna know how to do it if it's even possible.
[08:00] <HappyFool> sijmen: hrm
[08:00] <sijmen> yes, but i'm running from vmware
[08:00] <CrustyPunk> I'm getting Error 12: invalid device requested
[08:00] <danko123456> sijmen, yes, anything, and as thoreauputic said, there is many variations on the theme of a pastebin.
[08:00] <Echelon-h> danko123456, no, there's the menu button
[08:00] <hybrid_goth> anyone know if ubuntu will auto detec a newly added lan card?
[08:00] <danko123456> so you want it to open when yuo hit that...hm...if I used xfce, Id know more, sorry.
[08:00] <sijmen> yes, but what's the pastebin deal? i know what pastebins are and how they work
[08:00] <HappyFool> sijmen: have you set up /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[08:01] <danko123456> hybrid_goth: chances are...
[08:01] <danko123456> yeah, he needs that, but...openssh-server should be there.
[08:01] <danko123456> all ready in main, I think.
[08:01] <Church_of_FoamY> paste bin is a place to paste your output errors
[08:01] <hybrid_goth> danko123456: chance are yes?
[08:01] <danko123456> sijmen, just so we can see the exact output.
[08:01] <danko123456> yes, they are yes, a wired card?
[08:01] <CrustyPunk> I'm getting "Error 12: invalid device requested" when I try to boot my XP partition... anyone know what's going on? =o
[08:01] <Church_of_FoamY> than you copy the llink in your address bar and paste it here
[08:01] <sijmen> there is no output. literally
[08:01] <danko123456> CrustyPunk: same hard disk
[08:01] <danko123456> /
[08:01] <danko123456> ?
[08:01] <Church_of_FoamY> that allows others to see your errors
[08:02] <hybrid_goth> danko123456: yes just hook it up to my linsys
[08:02] <CrustyPunk> danko123456, yeah
[08:02] <danko123456> hybrid_goth: yup.
[08:02] <HappyFool> sijmen: have you enabled network repositories?
[08:02] <sijmen> yeah, but when i run the    sude apt-get install openssh-server    i get no output
[08:02] <danko123456> CrustyPunk: what partition?
[08:02] <hybrid_goth> danko123456: so i can install ubuntu then put in the lan card SWEET
[08:02] <danko123456> whats your menu.lst setup?
[08:02] <sijmen> no idea, probably not. how to?
[08:02] <thoreauputic> CrustyPunk: sounds like your bootloader is misconfigured
[08:02] <HappyFool> sijmen: take a look at the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:02] <danko123456> give us pastebins of menu.lst, and sudo fdisk -l
[08:03] <danko123456> CrustyPunk: ^
[08:03] <CrustyPunk> danko123456, I *think* it's on hda1
[08:03] <HappyFool> sijmen: there'll be a line that looks like this: # deb http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[08:03] <danko123456> hybrid_goth: not 100% , but a very large fraction.
[08:03] <sijmen> ah, it's commented out
[08:03] <sijmen> okay
[08:03] <HappyFool> sijmen: the leading '#' is a comment character. remove it and save the file.
[08:03] <HappyFool> ah
[08:03] <danko123456> where is menu.lst?
[08:03] <HappyFool> you know ;)
[08:03] <hybrid_goth> danko123456: ok ty
[08:03] <sijmen> there are several http repositories already
[08:03] <thoreauputic> danko123456: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:04] <danko123456>  CrustyPunk: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:04] <sijmen> the restricted ones are not commented out
[08:04] <HappyFool> hmm
[08:04] <danko123456> give us a pstebin with that file, and sudo fdisk -l
[08:04] <danko123456> thanks, thore.
[08:04] <HappyFool> well, you need main to not be commented out
[08:04] <CrustyPunk> danko123456, I've been looking through there, no idea what to do
[08:04] <sijmen> it is
[08:04] <danko123456> yup, and uncomment the rest, while you are at it, sijmen.
[08:04] <sijmen> internet connection is working, too
[08:04] <sijmen> universe?
[08:04] <HappyFool> if you like
[08:04] <danko123456> CrustyPunk: that is why you will make a pastebin, and show us, so we can tell you.
[08:04] <HappyFool> it has lots and lots of other software
[08:05] <HappyFool> you'll probably enable it eventually ;)
[08:05] <danko123456> do it now:
[08:05] <danko123456> )
[08:05] <sijmen> oh wait
[08:05] <sijmen> that explains it
[08:05] <danko123456> then save, close, sudo apt-get update
[08:05] <Church_of_FoamY> anyone know if giving ubuntu cd away on ebay (less s&h) is illegal?
[08:05] <CrustyPunk> danko123456, http://pastebin.com/290821
[08:05] <Church_of_FoamY> <----has an ebay store
[08:05] <HappyFool> Church_of_FoamY: i doubt it
[08:05] <danko123456> Church_of_FoamY: nothing is illegal...except not providing a way to get to the sources.
[08:06] <Church_of_FoamY> oh ok
[08:06] <SkyNet> i get an error with sudo apt-get upgrade.. its in samba
[08:06] <sijmen> when i vimmed the file, all worked fine, but as non-root i couldn't save. so i sudo vimmed, and after password i pressed enter, but nothing happened (return to console). that's the same deal as with the apt-get thing. why is there no output when using sudo?
[08:06] <danko123456> skynet, does sudo apt-get update?
[08:06] <HappyFool> sijmen: hrm
[08:06] <theD3viL> How to set DMA on?
[08:06] <danko123456> weird...:)
[08:06] <HappyFool> that sounds bad
[08:06] <SkyNet> danko123456 yes update and then upgrade
[08:06] <Church_of_FoamY> <--still used to microcraps EULA :(
[08:06] <SkyNet> i used the backports reposits and something fucked up
[08:06] <HappyFool> sijmen: try sudo -s -H ? you should get a root prompt
[08:06] <Echelon-h> hmm how can I run an internet location in XMMS? It can't play my adress I just put there.
[08:06] <danko123456> and then error, hey...k, just makuing sure you updated...
[08:07] <Echelon-h> (can it play asx?)
[08:07] <sijmen> danko123456. i type   sudo vim filename  , then a password is asked. i press enter, and after a sec focus returns to commandline
[08:07] <sijmen> oaky
[08:07] <danko123456> Echelon-h: usually use some other program, like rhytmbox, I think.
[08:07] <thoreauputic> sijmen: if you did it from within vim, it obviously won't work
[08:07] <CrustyPunk> danko123456, http://pastebin.com/290821
[08:07] <sijmen> no, outside of vim
[08:07] <sijmen> same deal again.
[08:07] <HappyFool> sudo -s -H gives you nothing ?
[08:07] <danko123456> CrustyPunk: is trying to boot into windows, and that pastebin^ is his menu.lst and fdisk -l .
[08:08] <thoreauputic> sijmen: try sudo nano and see if that works
[08:08] <danko123456> CrustyPunk: where is the sudo fdisk -l?
[08:08] <danko123456> :)
[08:08] <sijmen> Daehlie_, http://pastebin.com/290825
[08:08] <danko123456> try sudo ls
[08:08] <sijmen> sorry
[08:08] <danko123456> I thinks.
[08:08] <sijmen> danko123456 , http://pastebin.com/290825
[08:09] <sijmen> same thing with nano and everything else
[08:09] <othernoob> danko123456: shouldn't that be hd(0,4) instead of hd(0,0)  in CrustyPunks menu.lst ?
[08:09] <danko123456> CrustyPunk: hda1?
[08:09] <CrustyPunk> Whoops
[08:09] <CrustyPunk> Sorrt
[08:09] <CrustyPunk> danko123456, http://pastebin.com/290826
[08:09] <CrustyPunk> That's the fdisk
[08:09] <danko123456> othernoob: we dont kno yet.:)
[08:09] <nobile> win a meet and greet with R4x @ #??? !!! :D
[08:09] <othernoob> danko123456: it says it's on hda5..
[08:09] <SkyNet> hmm i get the following error: http://pastebin.com/290827
[08:10] <SkyNet> i used the backports reposits..
[08:10] <HappyFool> sijmen: you said you installed a 'server' install ?
[08:10] <danko123456> hehe, othernoob, yes, good job:)
[08:10] <CrustyPunk> danko123456, I thought it was hda1, could it be hda5?
[08:10] <danko123456> change it, CrustyPunk.
[08:10] <danko123456> how did you know it was hda5?
[08:10] <othernoob> CrustyPunk: at the end of the menu.lst file...change the hd(0,0) to hd(0,4), save it, and then try
[08:11] <HappyFool> sijmen: i'm not familiar with that setup. did you choose an 'expert' mode or anything similar ?
[08:11] <Echelon-H> how can I update my xfce from 4.2.1 to 4.2.2?
[08:11] <othernoob> danko123456: the comment in the menu.lst file states that it was detected on hda5 ;)
[08:11] <danko123456> SkyNet: what is your objective? to upgrade? remove the backports whern upgrading!
[08:11] <CrustyPunk> othernoob, it was originally hd(0,4) and (0.0) was me trying to fix it =P
[08:11] <Hobo> Hey I am having some trouble burning an ISO of ubuntu, in that I can burn the ISO to cd but it is just that on the cd, an ISO
[08:11] <Hobo> not a boot csd
[08:11] <Hobo> cd*
[08:11] <danko123456> othernoob: ah... I never read it...:)
[08:11] <danko123456> CrustyPunk: change it back.
[08:12] <othernoob> CrustyPunk: did you have the same error with hd(0,4) ? did you change something else as well ?
[08:12] <SkyNet> i get the following error: http://pastebin.com/290827 while updating the reposits i used the backport ones.. any idea?
[08:12] <Echelon-H> how can I update my xfce from 4.2.1 to 4.2.2?
[08:12] <hybrid_goth> Echelon-H: backports
[08:12] <sijmen> HappyFool, 'server'
[08:13] <Hobo> So nobody knows how to burn an ISO to cd?
[08:13] <danko123456> http://pastebin.com/290829 try that CrustyPunk
[08:13] <othernoob> Hobo: what's your prob with the iso ?
[08:13] <Echelon-H> hybrid_goth, huh?
[08:13] <hybrid_goth> Hobo: burn an image disc with the burner software
[08:13] <Hobo> well I can burn the actual image, but it doesnt create the cd
[08:13] <Hobo> it just shows blah.iso on it
[08:13] <othernoob> Hobo: which program are you using? k3b ?
[08:13] <danko123456> hobo, yeah, not much more you can do...just burn it using a program that supports that.
[08:13] <hybrid_goth> Echelon-H: 4.2.2 is avaible thru backports or breezy
[08:14] <alkdevil> hobo: right click the iso in file manager and select "write to disc"
[08:14] <Echelon-H> hybrid_goth, what is backports?
[08:14] <Echelon-H> hybrid_goth, and I presume breezy is the next update of ubuntu?
[08:14] <hybrid_goth> Echelon-H: UbuntuX is serving drinks to all Ubuntu XFCE fliers
[08:14] <SkyNet> Echelon-H: repositories..
[08:14] <sijmen> by the way, how does ubuntu perform on an Apple PowerBook?
[08:14] <Hobo> ok I will try it alldevil
[08:14] <danko123456> SkyNet: if you are just trying to upgrade, remove the backports from the sources, and update upgrade.
[08:14] <hybrid_goth> Echelon-H: backports are added updates after release and breezy is testin release
[08:14] <danko123456> sijmen: somewhat badly.
[08:14] <hybrid_goth> sijmen: what powerbook
[08:15] <thoreauputic> sijmen: I have it on an iBook G4 and it does very well
[08:15] <danko123456> sijmen: out the box, the sleep function does not work, really...and wireless does not work at all.
[08:15] <hybrid_goth> i have in on an ibook g3 and love it
[08:15] <danko123456> thoreauputic: how is it very good,
[08:15] <SkyNet> danko123456: no there was something like a wizard which wanted to add WINDS server to samba
[08:15] <hybrid_goth> danko123456: airport works ootb
[08:15] <danko123456> what have you so far changed, fine tune?
[08:15] <thoreauputic> yes, wireless is an issue with the broadcom cards
[08:15] <Echelon-H> so is it possible to install 4.2.2?
[08:15] <SkyNet> danko123456: i answered NO WINS and it all came to this..
[08:15] <hybrid_goth> Echelon-H: yes
[08:15] <danko123456> hybrid_goth: airport extreme??????????
[08:16] <sijmen> hybrid_goth, really?!
[08:16] <thoreauputic> danko123456: I'm happy with it - it runs fast and does mac on linux well
[08:16] <hybrid_goth> danko123456: airport!
[08:16] <sijmen> AIRPORT?
[08:16] <danko123456> skynet, then, try removing backports, and going through the whole porocess..
[08:16] <hybrid_goth> sijmen: ibook g3 is the newest that will work with wifi
[08:16] <danko123456> thoreauputic: I am not happy...:)
[08:16] <toshiba_> Does anyone here use custom (optimized) firefox builds?
[08:16] <SkyNet> ok danko will do
[08:16] <danko123456> thore, even my yaboot is gone now, for some mystical reason, I cant even boot into it anymore, I am seriously considering reinstalling
[08:16] <sijmen> hybrid_goth, man, you almost got me nuts
[08:17] <thoreauputic> danko123456: depends on your needs
[08:17] <Echelon-H> hybrid_goth, can you help me doing it?
[08:17] <danko123456> X on the whole thing.
[08:17] <danko123456> thore, yes, very much.
[08:17] <danko123456> Echelon-H: sure he can:) anyhow, add bac[ports to your repos.
[08:17] <hybrid_goth> Echelon-H: search ubuntuguide for extra repos
[08:17] <danko123456> www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ExtraRepositories
[08:17] <hybrid_goth> sijmen: why?
[08:18] <hybrid_goth> danko123456: ty i didnt remember the link
[08:18] <danko123456> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:18] <danko123456> me neither:)
[08:18] <sijmen> hybrid_goth, would be awesome if airport worked with g4
[08:18] <SkyNet> danko123456: removed the backport.. same error when upgrading
[08:18] <maxyvits> what's "breezy"?
[08:18] <thoreauputic> danko123456: I take it you are aware of the existence of tab completion on nicks?
[08:18] <danko123456> yes, very much so, sijmen.
[08:18] <thenuke> maxyvits: upcoming version of ubuntu
[08:18] <danko123456> thore, sometimes I am lazy.
[08:18] <othernoob> maxyvits: the name of the next ubuntu version
[08:18] <danko123456> some I do.
[08:18] <SkyNet> danko123456: its seems like this update has been kapt somewhere in cache?
[08:18] <maxyvits> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[08:18] <danko123456> yours is one of those...
[08:18] <hybrid_goth> sijmen: airport extreme is supposed being hacked upon to work w/linux
[08:18] <thoreauputic> danko123456: which means I don't see your posts sometimes
[08:19] <danko123456> right, sorry thoreauputic.
[08:19] <sijmen> hybrid_goth, yes, i read about it earlyer today
[08:19] <maxyvits> got it, thanks
[08:19] <danko123456> maxyvits: warty, hoary, breezy....??
[08:19] <sijmen> but is ubuntu supposed to be working at native resolution and such on powerbook?
[08:19] <maxyvits> Is there an expected time of release?
[08:19] <danko123456> :)
[08:19] <hybrid_goth> sijmen: where did you see that i have only heard it ? link...
[08:19] <danko123456> sijmen: what is native resolution?
[08:19] <danko123456> it works, just perfect, exceopt for sleep, and wireless.
[08:19] <hybrid_goth> maxyvits: october
[08:19] <sijmen> 1024*768
[08:19] <dcraven> maxyvits: Oct.
[08:19] <sijmen> lemme get a link, hybrid_goth
[08:19] <maxyvits> Ok, thanks
[08:20] <danko123456> maxyvits: every six months new ubuntu
[08:20] <danko123456> .4.10, 5.04, 5.10.
[08:20] <Seveas> maxyvits, ubuntu has  a 6 month release scehdules. So every october and april there's a new version
[08:20] <sijmen> i'll just need to get up my history
[08:20] <hybrid_goth> maxyvits: 5.04 = 2005 apr 5.10 = 2005 october
[08:20] <maxyvits> thanks for the info guys
[08:20] <hybrid_goth> sijmen: ok ty
[08:20] <danko123456> sijmen: yes it works fine the resolution.
[08:20] <sijmen> that's nice. oh, it's nvidia of course
[08:20] <SkyNet> danko123456: removed the backport.. same error when upgrading
[08:20] <SkyNet> danko123456: its seems like this update has been kapt somewhere in cache?
[08:20] <sijmen> that means i should be able to play some linux games aswell
[08:20] <maxyvits> any idea how I can change my refresh rate from 85 to 100Hz?
[08:21] <danko123456> I cant even get a smaller one in iBook...altho...I am sure just changing the refresh thing in xorg.conf would do it...
[08:21] <sijmen> http://linux-bcom4301.sourceforge.net/, hybrid_goth
[08:21] <Echelon-H> I need the Universe and Multiverse? or it has nothign to do with it?
[08:21] <danko123456> SkyNet: not sure, sorry:) do you have any other weird repos?
[08:21] <danko123456> like, non ubuntu, marillat or whatever.
[08:21] <HappyFool> grr. i get this error from both apt and aptitude. Any ideas? :  Bad header line [IP: 82.211.81.151 80]   (command is apt-get install tuxtype)
[08:21] <danko123456> put those in too, Echelon-H, but backports is what we are after.
[08:21] <SkyNet> danko123456: nope..
[08:22] <SkyNet> is there a way to flush this cache?
[08:22] <danko123456> HappyFool: did you try pinging it?
[08:22] <maxyvits> my "ics" still isn't wokring in ubuntu.
[08:22] <maxyvits> It's driving me nuts.
[08:22] <Echelon-H> wierd, I am marking them but it wont "lock"
[08:22] <HappyFool> danko123456: i have tried using nc, and it gets the HTTP headers fine
[08:22] <danko123456> there should be one, I just erased /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb yesterday
[08:22] <Echelon-H> it just shows me they are not marked after I close / open
[08:22] <maxyvits> my windows boxes can see each other but they can't connect to the internet
[08:23] <HappyFool> i don't know if apt-get is looking for some other sort of header, or expecting some custom HTTP header (seems unlikely)
[08:23] <danko123456> do you ahve that line hardcoded somewhere, HappyFool, looks like it is missing a : between the port number, and the IP./
[08:23] <danko123456> just maybe, tho...depends on the parses.
[08:23] <danko123456> r
[08:23] <HappyFool> danko123456: no, i do not have any IP addresses hardcoded anywhere
[08:23] <danko123456> maxyvits: windows cant connect to the internet?
[08:23] <hybrid_goth> sijmen: ty
[08:24] <maxyvits> I have a home network with ubuntu as host and two other boxes running XP
[08:24] <danko123456> echelon, not sure what you are talking about?
[08:24] <danko123456> you adding those through synaptic?
[08:24] <Hobo> THANKS ALLDEVIL :):):)
[08:24] <Hobo> it worked just fine
[08:24] <maxyvits> the XP boxes can see each other, which suggests my LAN NIC is configured correctly. But they can't get onto the Internet for some reason.
[08:25] <maxyvits> I'm using Firestarter
[08:25] <danko123456> SkyNet: there should be one, I just erased /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb yesterday
[08:25] <danko123456> maxyvits: you are forwarding the internet to them through firestarter?
[08:26] <maxyvits> I think so.
[08:26] <danko123456> do the windows machines have 1 NIC each?
[08:26] <maxyvits> I have the option: enable internet sharing checked
[08:26] <Church_of_FoamY> how to kill zombie processes?
[08:27] <danko123456> maxy_noob: ^
[08:27] <Church_of_FoamY> i have 11 that are zombie how to kill?
[08:27] <danko123456> Church_of_FoamY: you can killall process name, if you know it..
[08:27] <Church_of_FoamY> ok
[08:27] <danko123456> zombie just means that their parents are dead, or something...
[08:27] <danko123456> along those lines.
[08:27] <danko123456> orphaned is what I said.
[08:27] <maxy_noob> yes danko?
[08:28] <danko123456> do the windows machines have 1 NIC each?
[08:28] <Church_of_FoamY> i have the process id if that helps
[08:28] <maxy_noob> yes
[08:28] <danko123456> what are they connected to?
[08:28] <maxy_noob> a hub
[08:28] <danko123456> ok, well, you ahve it as far as I do with that concept of internet sharing.
[08:28] <maxy_noob> my Ubuntu box has 2 nic's
[08:28] <Church_of_FoamY> gnome system monitor
[08:28] <danko123456> you need to set the gateway on the computers to be the IP of the ubuntu.
[08:29] <danko123456> kill -9 number, try that.
[08:29] <Echelon-H> Bah I dont get how to upgrade to 4.2.2
[08:29] <Church_of_FoamY> i killed some processes and they are now zombies
[08:29] <Church_of_FoamY> ok
[08:29] <danko123456> Echelon-H: backports added?
[08:29] <maxy_noob> ok, I'll try that
[08:29] <danko123456> maxy_noob: yeah, well, you can only try...
[08:29] <danko123456> It dont work here.
[08:29] <dr_willis> Hmm.
[08:29] <maxy_noob> You can't share you Internet either?
[08:30] <danko123456> if you figure it out, make sure to post to the forums, or somewhere so I can read uit and set uit p.
[08:30] <danko123456> yup.
[08:30] <danko123456> he killed his irc...
[08:30] <maxy_noob> that sucks ... isn't that called: the blind leading the blind then? :-)
[08:30] <danko123456> why is he even killikng processes...ugh, low level..
[08:30] <k-dog2> How do I query USB devices on my bus?
[08:30] <danko123456> sure
[08:30] <danko123456> it is called that
[08:30] <danko123456> or collaborative trouble shooting
[08:31] <maxy_noob> Yes, I like yours better
[08:31] <danko123456> \II am trained in CS-the other CS...
[08:31] <alastair_> Why doesn't rhythmbox include mp3 support by default?
[08:31] <SkyNet> danko123456: i deled the .deb files
[08:32] <SkyNet> danko123456: still same error:p
[08:32] <HappyFool> mp3 is patented, i believe
[08:32] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> alot of distros are dopping mp3 support for licensing reasons
[08:32] <danko123456> yup, you erased the ones that were cached.
[08:32] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> dropping*
[08:32] <maxy_noob> quite frankly this network problem is the only thing keeping me from switching to Linux.
[08:32] <maxy_noob> I use Windows as my main os.
[08:32] <maxy_noob> dummy proof.
[08:32] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> alastair_, Ogg and musepack are better lossy formats anyways
[08:32] <danko123456> alastair_: read the ubuntu declaration/[promise, it will be clearer.
[08:33] <danko123456> well, for a hub, yes, you need to figure it out.
[08:33] <danko123456> mine dont work, wanna work on it, maxy_noob?
[08:33] <maxy_noob> all I have to do with Windows is run the wizard and it works perfectly
[08:33] <Echelon-H> danko123456, now, I didnt understand what is it, didn't find any info on wiki, and didn't get what I need it for.
[08:33] <yonil> how can i download something from cvs ? :S
[08:33] <SkyNet> danko123456: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[08:33] <SkyNet> 1 not fully installed or removed.
[08:33] <maxy_noob> sure
[08:33] <alastair_> Pop_pa_FrEaK, sure they might be better, but so was betamax and I have a load of VHS tapes if you catch my drift...
[08:33] <danko123456> jsut a sec, I need a drink.
[08:34] <danko123456> pm, anyhow
[08:34] <maxy_noob> do you think a router solves this workaround?
[08:34] <lotusleaf> maxy_noob, dummy magnet you mean ;)
[08:34] <maxy_noob> that too
[08:34] <danko123456> maxy_noob: yes, a router would.
[08:34] <sscott> does anybody here help me...the moron with a ndiswrapper install?
[08:34] <danko123456> it creates IPs.
[08:34] <maxy_noob> I think I'm just gonna buy one.
[08:34] <HappyFool> yonil: you'll probably need to install cvs first
[08:34] <danko123456> sscott: yes, theyll help you:)
[08:35] <danko123456> maxy_noob: not a bad idea:) if you like port forwarding...that is.
[08:35] <sscott> been working on it all morning and getting a little peeved.....:-(
[08:35] <HappyFool> maxy_noob: do some googling. I'm sure what you are trying to achieve is not too difficult
[08:35] <maxy_noob> still, I'd like to get it up and running with a hub
[08:35] <danko123456> alastair_: times chaneg:-p
[08:36] <danko123456> sscott: sure you are:) that is why you are here, create a pastebin with your make, model, steps taken, and other relevant info... http://pastebin.com
[08:36] <Echelon-H> danko123456, now, I didnt understand what is it, didn't find any info on wiki, and didn't get what I need it for.
[08:36] <alastair_> danko123456, but my collection doesn't, unless of course I wanted to spend 3 years cpu time converting to ogg
[08:36] <maxy_noob> I tried with a guy yesterday and we got confused even more.
[08:36] <danko123456> Echelon-H: did you add backports? or you didnt get it?
[08:36] <maxy_noob> we were obviously network challenged
[08:36] <Echelon-H> danko123456, didn't get anything :-\
[08:37] <sscott> will do just give a few moments
[08:37] <k-dog2> OK, how do I query devices on the USB bus?
[08:37] <danko123456> Echelon-H: time for http://ubuntuguide.org/#backportsrepositories
[08:37] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> alastair_, mp3 is on its way out step by step and the next step is the fact its getting DRM added to its coding
[08:37] <Echelon-H> 
[08:37] <alastair_> any idea why gstreamer dvd playback sucks compared to xine?
[08:37] <Echelon-H> k, now were talking
[08:37] <HappyFool> k-dog2: at a guess, try lsusb at the command line
[08:37] <danko123456> Pop_pa_FrEaK: I dunno, its like jpg vs png...
[08:38] <danko123456> or xml/OOo vs. MS word...
[08:38] <Echelon-H> danko123456, but can you tell me what are these backports?
[08:38] <alastair_> ubuntu is crap
[08:38] <Lolly> i installed Windows after installing Ubuntu, and need to redo the MBR (i think) so i can boot Ubuntu. I got this tutorial: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows , but when i get to the load filesystem part, i type what the tutorial say, but i get this message: /dev/sda3 looks like swapspace - not mounted <br>mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[08:38] <danko123456> its so much better, but no OEMs support...
[08:38] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ogg is getting alot of support
[08:38] <Lafitte-> maxy_noob,  firestarter i believe would share internet
[08:38] <danko123456> alastair_: no its not...
[08:38] <danko123456> I can tell you how to add the mp3 support.
[08:38] <k-dog2> HappyFool: Nope.  Package?
[08:38] <maxy_noob> Lafitte: yes, it has that option but I still can't get my XP boxes on the net
[08:39] <HappyFool> k-dog2: usbutils
[08:39] <danko123456> Lolly: is that the part where you load the right partition? and you dont know if sda3 is  it?
[08:39] <HappyFool> k-dog2: that will only list devices -- i realized after my last msg that you might want something else
[08:39] <danko123456> alastair_: do you want me to?
[08:39] <Lafitte-> maxy_noob,  you would need to set eh ip manually   and set the gateway to the ip of the box with firestarter
[08:39] <danko123456> k-dog2: give us more info specifics...what is the device, and why does it not automount?
[08:40] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hmmm need to get Flac support
[08:40] <danko123456> Lafitte-: I have that set up.
[08:40] <maxy_noob> so the gateway on the xp machines would be the ip of ubunut?
[08:40] <danko123456> dont work, tho.
[08:40] <alastair_> danko123456, it assumes the world has broadband, but prophecises computing for the world, how the hell is someone in africa going to have full functionality if they have to wait six years downloading updates, some of which are borked, like gstreamer dvd playback which sucks...
[08:40] <maxy_noob> ubuntu
[08:40] <danko123456> yes, maxy_noob.
[08:40] <k-dog2> danko123456: It's a wireless USB NIC, no-name device, mystery meat.
[08:40] <Lafitte-> i had it working with debian install
[08:40] <k-dog2> danko123456: 2.6.10 kernel.
[08:40] <danko123456> but the internal IP, not the internet one.
[08:40] <Echelon-H> danko123456, can the backports or anything ruin anything? I dont want breezy or whatever..
[08:40] <maxy_noob> right
[08:40] <Lafitte-> gave up years ago   when i got my first router
[08:40] <Lolly> denkol: i need to load partitions yes, and when i look at the fstab the tutorial talks about, /dev/sda3  is the only thing that looks like what they mean.  the two other entries are: /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot and tmpfs
[08:41] <danko123456> alastair_: did you check out the ubuntuguide.org add-on CD for ppl that dont have the ionternet?
[08:41] <maxy_noob> 192.169.0.1?
[08:41] <k-dog2> HappyFool: Installing.
[08:41] <Lafitte-> 192.168.0.1  usually  preset
[08:41] <we2by> any one here have problem with etf?
[08:41] <danko123456>  /dev/sdX is gonna be it, but try some other numbers.
[08:41] <danko123456> if you want...
[08:41] <Echelon-H> danko123456, can you help me or you want me to come back to you later?
[08:41] <alastair_> I want a system which just works
[08:41] <dcraven> we2by: You'll need to be a little more specific dude.
[08:42] <dcraven> alastair_: In time.
[08:42] <danko123456> Echelon-H: did you add them? hehe, they can ruin, dont upgrade with them, tho.
[08:42] <we2by> dcraven, when I start it, I only see a black screen
[08:42] <k-dog2> danko123456: From lsusb:  Bus 001 Device 003: ID 03eb:7603 Atmel Corp. AT76c503a D-Link DWL-120 802.11b Adapter
[08:42] <alastair_> slackware just works...
[08:42] <Echelon-H> bah, so I better leave this and stay with my 4.2.1
[08:42] <HappyFool> alastair_: then use slackware
[08:42] <alastair_> I can't build anything from source from base install here...
[08:42] <dcraven> alastair_: So then what's the problem?
[08:42] <k-dog2> danko123456: I'm finding Google info that there's no in-kernel mainstream support, trying to avoid BMOC.
[08:42] <Lafitte-> Ubuntu for me
[08:42] <k-dog2> s/BMOC/BMOK/
[08:42] <danko123456> alastair_: it just works...it just doesnt play out the box with proprietary formats.
[08:43] <Lafitte-> Ubuntu is the best tool for my laptop
[08:43] <maxy_noob> you'd think with DHCP enabled that it would obtain an ip address automatically, no?
[08:43] <dcraven> we2by: Try System | Preferences | Sound | Disable sound server.
[08:43] <HappyFool> do you have a dhcp server running?
[08:43] <danko123456> k-dog2: thats hard...too hard for me, a USB adapter for a modem, or wireless, right?
[08:43] <Lafitte-> maxy_noob,  if you enable a dhcp server  it would
[08:43] <maxy_noob> by the way is Bcast the gateway or the limit of one?
[08:44] <maxy_noob> i have no idea what that means but whatever
[08:44] <maxy_noob> LOL
[08:44] <Lafitte-> maxy_noob,  did you set any dns servers on the machines ?
[08:44] <danko123456> Echelon-H: no, just iupgrade the one package, not eh whole system.
[08:44] <dcraven> alastair_: I hope they never support proprietary formats.
[08:44] <maxy_noob> hell no, I don't even know what that is
[08:44] <k-dog2> danko123456: As I said:  wireless USB nic.
[08:44] <Lafitte-> maxy_noob,  it owul dbe the means of a mchien to get webpages and htings from the web
[08:45] <k-dog2> danko123456: BMOK == build my own ker.
[08:45] <danko123456> ah, I need a dhcp server running, Lafitte-?
[08:45] <Echelon-H> danko123456, you sure? it won't do any problems?
[08:45] <alastair_> How does anyone expect wide-scale desktop adoption if the majority of existing data is not compatible?  Why not include support for all these formats, as litigation against millions of users is unlikely, record companies and others will have to find new ways of financing their huge empires and excessive salaries, bittorrent and other p2p networks will make sure of that...
[08:45] <danko123456> k-dog2: yup, too advanced 4 me:)
[08:45] <we2by> dcraven, it works now
[08:45] <danko123456> Echelon-H: yes, if you uopgrade only one package, yes, only that one can get borked.
[08:45] <Echelon-H> and how can I update only the xfce anyways?
[08:45] <panickedthumb> alastair_-- litigation against the company isn't unlikely though
[08:45] <Echelon-H> bah I better not mess with it.
[08:45] <hybrid_goth> Echelon-H: apt-get install xfce
[08:45] <danko123456> alastair_: cause it can be easily added -on.
[08:46] <Lafitte-> danko123456,  no    can manually setup the ip   just need to make sure  the gateway is the nic with internet     and make sure you have dns servers
[08:46] <hybrid_goth> alastair_: who still uses mp3?
[08:46] <dcraven> alastair_: It's not litigation against the users that Canonical is concerned with probably. And I'm not sure how badly I want widespread adoption.
[08:46] <alastair_> hybrid_goth, come on...
[08:46] <dr_willis> litigation tends to be used against the companies with the money. :P
[08:46] <hybrid_goth> alastair_: aac and ogg out weigh mp3
[08:46] <alastair_> let's face it, for many this is a battle against microsoft.
[08:46] <alastair_> including myself.
[08:46] <caine> ok guys im back
[08:46] <dcraven> I'm seeing more and more portable players that can do ogg.. I was suprised.
[08:46] <danko123456> Lafitte-: so, set up the gateway to the NIC interfacing with the internet, or the NIC interfaceing hte network...cause can the other machine even see the IP?
[08:47] <maxy_noob> for tcp/ip setting in windows I set the following
[08:47] <hybrid_goth> alastair_: i am on the same boat
[08:47] <_hp_> what's wrong with microsoft?
[08:47] <Lafitte-> you need to setup dhcpd and ip forwarding
[08:47] <dcraven> alastair_: I dunno about that.
[08:47] <hybrid_goth> _hp_: everything
[08:47] <Lafitte-> danko123456,  dhcpd and ip forwarding
[08:47] <dr_willis> dcraven,  oh? ive not notiuced them yet :P i aint looked at them in about 4 mo however.
[08:47] <danko123456> alastair_: casue you are ignotrant...that is all.
[08:47] <alastair_> _hp_ their monopoly and disgraceful business tactics.
[08:47] <hybrid_goth> alastair_: i also like unix i love how it works and it is so tweakable
[08:47] <caine> hybrid_goth: is there any reason why apollon isnt working now
[08:47] <danko123456> the mp3 support is there, in universe, where it shoud bne.
[08:47] <_hp_> hybrid_goth: bill gates gave like $25 billion to charity or something like that
[08:47] <danko123456> alastair_: it is a system you dont understand fully.
[08:47] <alastair_> danko123456, No I am arrogant, not ignorant.
[08:48] <dcraven> dr_willis: I just looked at a BestBuy flyer and ALL of the Samsung devices supported ogg. It was even mentioned in the flyer which blew me away.
[08:48] <alastair_> danko123456, you're refering to ubuntu or microsoft?
[08:48] <danko123456> aha, Lafitte-, so, set up dhcpd, firestarter, and set the gateway on the other computer to be the IP of the computer on the internet, the internet IP?
[08:48] <dr_willis> dcraven,  cool. :P Im betting that in 2 years the cell phones will all have   the features of mp3 players. :P
[08:48] <hybrid_goth> _hp_: yea fo a tax right off
[08:48] <danko123456> ubuntu, off course.
[08:49] <we2by> dcraven, I can't connect to any server  cause they are running an old version :(
[08:49] <dcraven> dr_willis: Some do now no?
[08:49] <dr_willis> dcraven,  now if they did ogg from the get go.. that would be cool.
[08:49] <alastair_> Of course I don't fully understand it, I'm just dissapointed with the hype.
[08:49] <lotusleaf> Jesus Christ, I can't go a single day without hearing or reading the word "MICROSOFT" somewhere. It's like a fucking plague.
[08:49] <dr_willis> dcraven,  some of the VERY VERY high end ones do..
[08:49] <dcraven> we2by: They are or you are?
[08:49] <we2by> they are
[08:49] <psychonate> vorbis is actually the name of the audio codec
[08:49] <we2by> I have 1.3
[08:49] <psychonate> ogg is just the container
[08:49] <danko123456> alastair_: where is all the hype?
[08:49] <danko123456> I never heard any hype.
[08:49] <Lafitte-> danko123456,   i believe so    been very long time for me   just know fo rsure need dhcpd and ip forwarding setup      and im exampleing the ics functions of a windows box  which is the same concept
[08:49] <dcraven> we2by: But it runs now?
[08:49] <we2by> yep
[08:49] <alastair_> web,forums, radio
[08:50] <Lafitte-> danko123456,  i own plenty of routers now
[08:50] <danko123456> kk, how about hte IP use the one that is on the internet?
[08:50] <dcraven> we2by: Cool.
[08:50] <wingsline> hello
[08:50] <hybrid_goth> well you all i go to run i need to install ubuntu on my soon to be server
[08:50] <hybrid_goth> bbl
[08:50] <danko123456> Im away too.
[08:50] <alastair_> three
[08:50] <dcraven> we2by: I typically play on the Railbait pubs. I get good pings there.
[08:50] <danko123456> thanks, Lafitte-.
[08:50] <Lafitte-> danko123456,  the nic that has the internet connection to it     no thats wrong
[08:50] <we2by> dcraven, what version?
[08:50] <we2by> ip?
[08:50] <danko123456> so, then the local network IP as the gatewya?
[08:50] <dcraven> we2by: I think it's railbait (I).
[08:50] <Lafitte-> danko123456,    not sure if its the nic with inet  or to hub
[08:50] <danko123456> 192.168>?
[08:50] <we2by> I tried that also
[08:51] <danko123456> Ill try both:)
[08:51] <we2by> it says protocol does not match
[08:51] <dcraven> we2by: I dunno what version it is. I think it's the latest.
[08:51] <toshiba_> VLC will play my .avi without the sound. Totem will play the .avi, but without the video. Any ideas?
[08:51] <Lafitte-> danko123456,  but it would be the default gateway
[08:51] <dcraven> we2by: You also have the latest ET?
[08:51] <sscott>  I am trying to install wireless, please help me, this is my pastebin: http://pastebin.com/290851
[08:51] <dr_willis> try mplayer yet toshiba_ ?
[08:52] <psychonate> yeah, if you run mplayer from the CL, it will give you some output
[08:52] <toshiba_> dr_willis, yes.. that one won't even play my MP3s..
[08:52] <IcemanV9> toshiba_: xine?
[08:53] <dr_willis> toshiba_,  Hmm.. ive gotten mplayer to play about EVERYTHING :P totem and xine have issues with a few things
[08:53] <Lafitte-> danko123456,  tell me this  are you play8ing around are serious  hehe
[08:53] <dcraven> we2by: The newest ET is 1.0/2.60. THere are links to everything on the front page of etfgame.com.
[08:54] <toshiba_> dr_willis, mplayer takes a couple of seconds to start (the application itself), i HATE it's skin, and freeze when i try to play anything. I don't know what 'xine' is, i assume a player, haven't tried yet.
[08:54] <psychonate> mplayer CL > * ;)
[08:54] <toshiba_> mm?
[08:54] <psychonate> although I have problems with the mplayer packaged with ubuntu
[08:55] <toshiba_> psychonate, mplayer CL?
[08:55] <lok> mplayer works fine here
[08:55] <psychonate> toshiba_, CL=Command Line
[08:55] <psychonate> toshiba_, ran from terminal; no GUI
[08:55] <toshiba_> we're talking about the blue-skinned mplayer w/ the unremovable 'Mplayer - Video' window, right?
[08:56] <alastair_> I am having problems with gstreamer-xine and slow assed video playback compared to xine.
[08:56] <Echelon-H> How can I move files? mv seems to handle only directories
[08:56] <psychonate> toshiba_, no
[08:56] <danko123456> Lafitte-: like what:) the ics? I am in the background trying to owrk it out so I can drop the extra IP from my ISP...not a rush, I was waiting for someone else to work on it.
[08:56] <alastair_> gstreamer-totem even
[08:56] <danko123456> mv moves files, as well,.
[08:56] <dcraven> Echelon-H: It does files too.
[08:56] <Echelon-H> but when I type a filename it won't work.
[08:56] <dcraven> Echelon-H: Sure it does.
[08:56] <wingsline> why vmware cannot compile the vmmon module on ubuntu hoary? I installed all the necessary kernel headers, but it gives me an error
[08:56] <danko123456> mv fileInCurrentDirectory/absolutePathOfFile newPlaceEvenNewName.
[08:57] <we2by> dcraven, nope
[08:57] <Echelon-H> dcraven, the filename has spaces... so the command gets broken or something
[08:57] <Lafitte-> danko123456,    hehe   i thought you know th eanswer   and just toying me   grin     install  dhcpd and ip forwarding    then rn the utils
[08:57] <we2by> the newest is 1.3
[08:57] <Echelon-H> dcraven, how can I fix it?
[08:57] <dcraven> Echelon-H: Quotes or escape the space with a \.
[08:58] <psychonate> tcprobe is a neato tool
[08:58] <toshiba_> So um.. any ideas why VLC shows video w/o sound?
[08:58] <psychonate> toshiba_, what is the audio?
[08:58] <dcraven> Echelon-H: mv "file with spaces" file_no_spaces
[08:58] <IcemanV9> Echelon-H: mv My\ Downloads/<whatever> <newDir>/<whatever>
[08:58] <toshiba_> psychonate, you mean, what codec was used w/ the audio? no idea....
[08:58] <Echelon-H> k thanks
[08:58] <dcraven> Echelon-H: Or mv file\ with\ spaces file_no_spaces
[08:59] <we2by> dcraven, I can't join any
[08:59] <dcraven> we2by: The newest ETF is 1.3, but you also need the newest ET.
[08:59] <IcemanV9> Echelon-H: two ways to do it " " or \ for those files with spaces
[08:59] <Echelon-H> what is the command to create dir?
[08:59] <danko123456> I will, Lafitte-, let you know, eventually, I am eating right now.
[08:59] <dcraven> Echelon-H: mkdir
[08:59] <Echelon-H> thanks
[09:00] <we2by> ok
[09:00] <danko123456> Echelon-H: mv from an nfts partiotion by some chane?
[09:00] <danko123456> c
[09:00] <Lafitte-> danko123456,   hehe   me also
[09:00] <Echelon-H> danko123456, no.
[09:00] <danko123456> Lafitte-: sweet.
[09:00] <Echelon-H> Hmmm, is there anyway I can transfer all the files in a folder, but not the folder itself?
[09:00] <k-dog2> danko123456: Found this, looks solid:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5164
[09:00] <danko123456> Echelon-H: then it will work.
[09:01] <PacoBCN> Hi guys. Anyone of you managed to receive files through IRDA?
[09:01] <danko123456> k-dog2: definitely worth a shot.
[09:01] <dcraven> Echelon-H: mv myfolder/* wherever
[09:01] <Echelon-H> k thx
[09:01] <Echelon-H> :)
[09:01] <danko123456> yes, Echelon-H, use -r too,. I think.
[09:01] <psychonate> toshiba_, I would try to install all the gstreamer packages. Those might help some players.
[09:01] <dr_willis> Bash 101 :P
[09:01] <danko123456> man mv will tell you moer:)
[09:01] <we2by> I see
[09:01] <psychonate> toshiba_, at least this one: gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[09:02] <Echelon-H> bah, I entered a man but the terminal is now stuck on the manual, how can I quit the man?
[09:02] <dr_willis> time to hit the bash tutorials :P that Useing bash guide by Oriealy is great also.
[09:02] <dr_willis> man man :P
[09:02] <HappyFool> q
[09:02] <dr_willis> q - should quit
[09:02] <Echelon-H> not that it's so important, just wanan know
[09:02] <danko123456> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-*
[09:02] <caine> hey guys i cant seem to get apollon to work correctly
[09:02] <caine> its not finding any songs or videos or anything
[09:02] <psychonate> toshiba_, from the everyday usage guide: "Not all mpgs are created equal. If you are getting sound but no video with some mpgs, you probably need the ffmpeg libraries."
[09:02] <k-dog2> danko123456: Shooting at it ;-)
[09:03] <danko123456> k, Im away now 4 real, watching movie.
[09:03] <psychonate> we believe you
[09:04] <Echelon-H> if I want only the txt files from one folder to another, how can I do that? tried *.txt and it ain't working
[09:04] <dcraven> we2by: Let me know when you are gonna hop on Railbait... THere was nobody there earlier :)
[09:04] <toshiba_> psychonate, thanks alot.
[09:05] <brum> hello... can anybody help w/ a evolution question/problem?
[09:05] <sscott> looking for help with wireless connection....is there anybody that can help me
[09:05] <HappyFool> Echelon-H: are you trying to move files from subfolders ?
[09:05] <toshiba_> Anyone knows how to be 'the owner' (ie: so you can change certain folders/files properties)
[09:05] <Echelon-H> yeah
[09:05] <carthik_work> toshiba_, chown
[09:05] <Echelon-H> but I want all the files of certain file type.
[09:05] <carthik_work> toshiba_, man chown for details
[09:05] <Echelon-H> anyways, I did type the full path.
[09:05] <HappyFool> toshiba_: run 'sudo chown' from the command line. however, you probably shouldn't change ownership of files outside your home directory
[09:06] <psychonate> toshiba_, tell me if it works alright
[09:06] <psychonate> personally, I like mplayer with the additional codecs from their site
[09:06] <HappyFool> Echelon-H: mv foo/*.txt bar/ will only move .txt in the foo/ directory, not in foo/blah/
[09:08] <Echelon-H> im trying from /home/echelon/desktop/*.txt to /home/echelon/tempdocs
[09:08] <Echelon-H> i've created tempdocs folder.
[09:08] <toshiba_> Here's the thing.. I want to install a custom build of Firefox. The only way I can think of, is to extract the archive (after closing the program) over the existing ones. However, it appears I am not allowed to do that (modify the files in there). Any ideas?
[09:09] <HappyFool> ok. but do you need to move files like '/home/echelon/desktop/sudir/foo.txt' ?
[09:10] <Echelon-H> No. Instead of moving every file, can't I just move every .txt file?
[09:10] <HappyFool> Echelon-H: the mv command should work
[09:10] <HappyFool> if there are no directories below 'desktop' involved
[09:10] <psychonate> toshiba_, why don't you just uninstall your existing version, and then install the new one safely?
[09:10] <Echelon-H> it says no such file / dir
[09:11] <HappyFool> try 'ls /home/echelon/desktop/*.txt'
[09:11] <HappyFool> remember, linux is case sensitive
[09:11] <Echelon-H> I know.
[09:11] <HappyFool> did you mean ~/Desktop ?
[09:11] <Echelon-H> what's ls?
[09:11] <HappyFool> list
[09:11] <toshiba_> psychonate, can I pm you?
[09:11] <HappyFool> list files
[09:11] <we2by> dcraven, I have to update et before I install etf?
[09:12] <HappyFool> there are a series of cryptic two-letter unix commands: mv (move files), ls (list files), cp (copy files) ps (list processes) ...
[09:12] <Seveas> rm
[09:12] <Seveas> dd
[09:12] <Seveas> df
[09:12] <Seveas> du
[09:12] <HappyFool> heh
[09:12] <Echelon-H> k nvm it worked now
[09:13] <Seveas> ls /usr/bin | grep -v ...
[09:13] <Seveas> :)
[09:13] <dcraven> we2by: Uhm.. I don't remember. I doubt it though.
[09:14] <Echelon-H> hmmm
[09:14] <Echelon-H> why when I run xmms through the terminal, it keeps the terminal out of use until I close xmms?
[09:14] <brum> xmms &
[09:15] <burnboy> use beep-media-player, it's prettier
[09:15] <HappyFool> consider starting it from the menu ;)
[09:16] <brum> that works too ;)
[09:16] <dcraven> Echelon-H: You really should have a breeze through a small bash tutorial. It may be more useful than you give credit.
[09:16] <Echelon-H> brum thanks
[09:16] <burnboy> i've spent about 3 hours tweaking Ubuntu
[09:16] <burnboy> i can't stop.
[09:16] <HappyFool> i think there might be something on ibiblio
[09:16] <HappyFool> on bash, that is
[09:16] <burnboy> for the love of god i can't stop.
[09:16] <we2by> damnit
[09:17] <Echelon-H> dcraven, Yeah, just after 15 years of windows, I need to get used to terminal.
[09:17] <we2by> it's very hot here
[09:17] <Echelon-H> but Im learning :D
[09:17] <we2by> 32 degrees
[09:17] <Echelon-H> burnboy, lol
[09:17] <HappyFool> burnboy: Step. Away. From. The. Computer.
[09:17] <k-dog2> Trying build modules for my kernel.  Error:  You don't have the compiler that your kernel was built with installed
[09:17] <burnboy> i should. but i have a beer. and i'm godamn comfortable.
[09:17] <Echelon-H> we2by, where are you :P?
[09:17] <stalagna> ubuntu network tools will not find my wireless device, but an ifconfig does show something, when i try to do a ifdown on eth1 it says couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces"
[09:17] <lotusleaf> Echelon-H, if you didn't use the command line in 15 years of using windows, something's wrong ;)
[09:17] <k-dog2> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Fri May 20 13:52:48 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[09:17] <k-dog2> Um... No.
[09:17] <Echelon-H> lotusleaf, I did, just not that much
[09:17] <k-dog2> Linux version 2.6.10-5-386 (buildd@rothera) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)) #1 Fri May 20 13:52:48 UTC 2005
[09:17] <we2by> Echelon-H, in my room
[09:17] <dcraven> Echelon-H: It's understandable, I'm just saying you maybe shouldn't brush off something as useful as becoming comfortable with bash as 'unimportant'.
[09:17] <k-dog2> ...so it apparently wants gcc 3.3.5.  Which isn't available?
[09:18] <stalagna> ubuntu network tools will not find my wireless device, but an ifconfig does show something, when i try to do a ifdown on eth1 it says couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces"            ANYONE?
[09:18] <norm_> i'm experiencing the following error when trying to make my wifi-drivers - how do i fix it?
[09:19] <norm_> http://pub.mcnally.dk/ubuntu_error.txt
[09:20] <burnboy> norm_, is that dir /lib/modules/blahblah even there?
[09:20] <k-dog2> norm_: Install kernel headers
[09:20] <k-dog2> norm_: ...and WTF is it lookin for /lib/modules/*/build for?
[09:20] <k-dog2> norm_: Sounds like you don't have the appropriate kernel installed.
[09:20] <TeXman> is there any tool under ubuntu for configuring the soundcard
[09:20] <Kartagis> hi
[09:20] <TeXman> ??
[09:21] <TeXman> domething like alsa confd
[09:21] <TeXman> conf
[09:21] <TeXman> or sndconf
[09:21] <TeXman> or sndconfig
[09:21] <norm_> k-dog2, i've done absolutely nothing to get the wrong kernel - other than upgrade what the "wizard"-thingie told me to upgrade :)
[09:21] <burnboy> probably ndiswrapper
[09:21] <dcraven> ahh.. I remember sndconfig
[09:21] <Kartagis> I'm having trouble telnetting, can you help me with it?
[09:21] <norm_> k-dog2, and i have kernel-headers installed
[09:21] <k-dog2> TeXman: /join #debian and /query dpkg sound.  Do *not* ask on the #debian channel.
[09:21] <k-dog2> norm_: Hrm.
[09:21] <k-dog2> bbiam
[09:21] <norm_> burnboy, nope, it's not
[09:21] <Echelon-H> bah
[09:21] <Echelon-H> when I close the console the xmms closes too
[09:22] <yonil> I'm trying to download packages and it doesnt find em, seems like backports.ubuntuforums.org is down ... any mirrors ?
[09:22] <dcraven> Echelon-H: heh
[09:22] <vendetta> /join #linux-ge
[09:22] <dcraven> Echelon-H: It's supposed to.
[09:22] <vendetta> /join #linux-ge
[09:22] <vendetta> /join #linux-ge
[09:22] <vendetta> /join #linux-ge
[09:22] <vendetta> /join #linux-ge
[09:22] <vendetta> /join #linux-ge
[09:22] <vendetta> #linux-ge
[09:22] <dcraven> Oh jeez.
[09:22] <Fator_Dee> :-)
[09:22] <chris___> lol
[09:22] <dcraven> WHat a dipshit thing to do.
[09:22] <yonil> you guys ? mirror for backports please :|
[09:23] <norm_> well, anybody else have any ideas for this interesting problem? :)
[09:23] <Fator_Dee> hit & run
[09:23] <chris___> exit
[09:24] <dcraven> yonil: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php
[09:24] <HappyFool> norm_: you probably need to install linux-headers-386
[09:24] <dcraven> Tsuki: What would you like to chat about?
[09:24] <Kartagis> I'm having trouble telnetting, can you help me with it?
[09:24] <norm_> HappyFool, i'll give it a try
[09:24] <IcemanV9> Kartagis: use ssh instead
[09:25] <HappyFool> norm_: that package should install headers corresponding to your current kernel, and create the 'build' entry that is missing
[09:25] <Kartagis> IcemanV9: but I can't ssh my eggdrop
[09:25] <Kartagis> I need to telnet
[09:25] <burnboy> you should be slapped for even running an eggdrop
[09:25] <norm_> HappyFool, looks about right - i got the build-symlink
[09:25] <stalagna> i can't get ubuntu to fetch anything to update
[09:26] <HappyFool> norm_: try the build again.
[09:26] <norm_> HappyFool, already on it, it's building away :)
[09:26] <Kartagis> burnboy: and why is that?
[09:26] <ubuntu> i dont like ubuntu :/
[09:26] <norm_> HappyFool, perfect, thanks a million :)
[09:26] <HappyFool> np
[09:27] <IcemanV9> eggdrop is not in my domain; sorry cannot help ya there. maybe someone else will.
[09:27] <ubuntu> cya, im off to my regular debian with KDE
[09:27] <dcraven> ubuntu: bye
[09:27] <norm_> just hope i can get wpa up'n'running so i can spend the weekend in the garden with my laptop )
[09:27] <Kartagis> IcemanV9: forget about eggdrop, help me with telnet
[09:28] <wezzer> is there any good 2D cad software for ubuntu?
[09:28] <dcraven> wezzer: Is PythonCad good?
[09:28] <stalagna> why is my network connected but I can't ping anything?
[09:29] <wezzer> I don't know, is it easy to use?
[09:29] <dcraven> wezzer: It's description says so :). Try it out. If not, you can remove it.
[09:29] <dcraven> wezzer: I don't draft, I just have heard about that program.
[09:29] <wezzer> okay, I'll try
[09:29] <wezzer> thanks for the tip
[09:30] <dcraven> wezzer: sure
[09:30] <Kartagis> Trying 192.168.1.2...
[09:30] <Kartagis> Connected to 192.168.1.2.
[09:30] <Kartagis> Escape character is '^] '. <--- this is all it says and nothing else
[09:30] <dcraven> wezzer: www.pythoncad.org
[09:30] <kenns> hello
[09:31] <Jostein> can someone recommend a simple GUI program to burn a data-cd?
[09:31] <holycow> gnome baker
[09:31] <dcraven> Jostein: nautilus?
[09:31] <LinuxJones> Jostein, or graveman
[09:31] <TeXman> ehhh
[09:32] <TeXman> is there any SiMpLe way to install soundcard
[09:32] <TeXman> ??
[09:32] <HappyFool> Jostein: if you have an ISO already, you can just right-click it in nautilus and choose 'Write to CD'
[09:32] <Jostein> downloaded graveman, but i just get "operation failed" and no explanation as what the error is
[09:33] <Jostein> ill try nautilus then, thanks
[09:33] <moqui> Jostein, k3b
[09:33] <LinuxJones> Jostein, in console type sudo apt-get update && apt-get install graveman
[09:34] <kenns> how can I sing in to gaim (msn) invisible?
[09:34] <we2by> dcraven, I lag alot on those servers
[09:34] <we2by> ping: 100+
[09:34] <dcraven> we2by: Doh! I guess you got it to work though eh?
[09:35] <stalagna> what can i do to get ubunto to start recongnizing my devices?
[09:35] <nihao> I use Ubuntu, but I'd like to try KDE. I installed KDE desktop using synaptic. Now, how to select KDE as the effective desktop manager?
[09:35] <Jostein> LinuxJones: : after i did that, it worked.  But, what did i do?  lol.  shouldnt it be up to date since i just downloaded it with the Synaptic package manager?
[09:35] <dcraven> wezzer: If you just want to draw things, then somehting like Inkscape might be to your liking. It's quite nice.
[09:35] <stalagna> anyone available to help?
[09:36] <wezzer> hmm, sounds nice
[09:36] <mcquaid> nihao, you can select it in gdm when you login you can choose kde instead of gnome and it'll ask you if u want to make it your default
[09:36] <hajiki> stalagna, what type of devices
[09:36] <dcraven> nihao: You can probably select it from the GDM login screen.
[09:36] <wezzer> I just need to make quick sketch about backline in our stage
[09:36] <stalagna> well i have a wireless, but i can't even get it to recongize it through a lan
[09:36] <mcquaid> you choose sessions in gdm to select which to use
[09:36] <dcraven> wezzer: I use inkscape to draw crap. I really like it.
[09:37] <k-dog2> Anyone know why Ubuntu doesn't supply gcc-3.3.5 when that's what its stock kernels are built with?
[09:37] <hajiki> stalagna, ahhh wireless
[09:37] <nihao> mcquaid: so the KDE option will be automatically added in GDM menu?
[09:37] <stalagna> well both
[09:37] <mcquaid> yes
[09:37] <dcraven> wezzer: It's actually an svg drawing program, which is also cool.
[09:37] <hajiki> stalagna, is it a linux support card? or one that needs ndiswrapper?
[09:37] <nihao> OK, thanks!
[09:37] <stalagna> not sure
[09:37] <dcraven> wezzer: inkscape.org
[09:37] <hajiki> well what type of card do you have
[09:37] <mcquaid> you also might want to check if kdm got installed, i think it does when you install kde, you only need kdm or gdm not both
[09:38] <wezzer> sudo apt-get install inkscape worked too :)
[09:38] <stalagna> but i think its another problem, because if try to connect without the card, via an ethernet cord it won't work either
[09:38] <HappyFool> k-dog2: you need to install the build-essential package
[09:38] <mcquaid> not sure if one goes to kde is it more efficient to use kdm to not load unnecessary libraries
[09:38] <kenns> what does make ubuntu so good? :-)
[09:38] <stalagna> i think i need to update my etc/network/interfaces
[09:39] <mcquaid> i'm getting lockups when i leave totem-xine paused for a couple of minutes anyone else get that?
[09:39] <stalagna> is that possible?
[09:39] <dcraven> wezzer: Of course :)
[09:39] <wezzer> dcraven: wow, inkscape seems to be just perfect
[09:39] <wezzer> thanks a lot
[09:39] <hajiki> stalagna, you could use the gnome network tool under system>administration>networking
[09:39] <dcraven> wezzer: Cool. Enjoy.
[09:39] <k-dog2> HappyFool: Yeah, it just installed w/ kernel sources.. Sec.
[09:39] <hajiki> stalagna, but that assumed that card is detected and working thru some sort of driver first
[09:40] <HappyFool> kenns: relatively easy to use, new release every six months, and security patches for each release for 18 months post-release
[09:40] <stalagna> i have tried that, i can configure it correctly with that, however, it still does not work, networking finds my card, but network tools does not
[09:40] <HappyFool> k-dog2: don't forget linux-headers-386 (or -686, or whatever) if you want to build kernel modules for the standard ubuntu kernel
[09:40] <kenns> thx
[09:41] <stalagna> network devices shows up as none, yet with networking i can configure my card to connec
[09:41] <hajiki> what happens if you type 'ifconfig' does eth0 show up?
[09:41] <stalagna> yes
[09:42] <hajiki> is your network dhcp?
[09:42] <k-dog2> HappyFool: Got the headers, got the module built.  gcc-3.3-base apparently supplied the right compiler.
[09:43] <stalagna> i think it is my /usr/network/interfaces, i read somewhere that i should use sudo ifdown eth0, however when i try that it gives me this error "couldn't read interfaces file
[09:43] <cyberix> How should the version number notation in Ubuntu Breezy irssi-text be read?
[09:43] <binarydigit_> from left to right
[09:44] <hybrid_goth> whats the difference in irssi and irssi-texr
[09:44] <hajiki> okay i understand just answer my question
[09:44] <hybrid_goth> s/texr/text
[09:44] <hajiki> if it works well fix your interfaces file
[09:45] <stalagna> i am not sure if it is dhcp, don't know what that means, i am connected to my ISP through a router and a cable modem
[09:45] <stalagna> and I don't know how to fix my network/interfaces, new to unix as of last night
[09:45] <hajiki> when you are on windows (assuming thats what you  normally use) how do you connect to ISP?
[09:45] <dcraven> stalagna: Probably dhcp. It just means that when your computer starts it asks the router for in IP.
[09:45] <hajiki> does it use some sort of program to connect or does it just work
[09:45] <angrypunk> most cable modems are dhcp
[09:46] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> stalagna, I use the same setup so you want dhcp
[09:46] <stalagna> yeah, automatically
[09:46] <stalagna> i don't have to configure anything, just plug it in and go
[09:46] <hajiki> okay making sure you dont need a ppoe client
[09:46] <hajiki> okay so yes you want dhcp
[09:46] <we2by> dcraven, I lag too much
[09:46] <we2by> bbl
[09:46] <stalagna> i have that selected, still no go
[09:46] <dcraven> we2by: I wanna play.. Are there people on railbait?
[09:46] <mcquaid> not directly dealing with ubuntu, but i was compiling the kernel and i turned off experimental and then couldn't find pppoe
[09:47] <we2by> dcraven, I don't see railbait
[09:47] <we2by> I g2g
[09:47] <dcraven> we2by: :(
[09:47] <we2by> I will be back tomorow
[09:47] <dcraven> we2by: later
[09:47] <hajiki> what happens if you type 'sudo dhclient eth0' make sure the cable is connected
[09:47] <mcquaid> turns out it's flagged as experimental.  i find it kinda surprising pppoe support is still flagged as experimental
[09:47] <CrustyPunk> Arr. Me again. =x
[09:47] <dcraven> mcquaid: Everything in Linux is beta/experimental ;P
[09:47] <dcraven> heh
[09:47] <mcquaid> also in my ignorance, i thought pppoe had nothing to do with the kernel. i thought as long as your nic was working you could use pppoe software to connect
[09:48] <stalagna> it executed something, not sure what
[09:48] <mcquaid> dcraven, heh how true ;)
[09:48] <stalagna> sit0: unknown hardware address
[09:48] <hajiki> that program tries to get an ip automatically for you
[09:48] <dcraven> mcquaid: That's what makes it so exciting!
[09:48] <hajiki> do you see any errors?
[09:49] <cyberix> 0.8.9+0.8.10rc5-0ubuntu2 Does this mean backport or something?
[09:49] <CrustyPunk> Problem: attempting to boot into Windows XP results in an "error 12: invalid device requested"
[09:49] <stalagna> nope, it sends the request, and it gets the correct router ip address back
[09:49] <mcquaid> ooohhh experimental ntfs support!! lets try it on all my ntfs partitions! see what happens!!!
[09:49] <dcraven> mcquaid: haha
[09:49] <hajiki> did it get an ip assinged to your network card?
[09:49] <dcraven> mcquaid: Who has ntfs partitions anymore? :)
[09:49] <stalagna> yeah
[09:50] <hajiki> ping -c3 www.google.com
[09:50] <stalagna> i think so
[09:50] <hajiki> does that work?
[09:50] <mcquaid> not me anymore ;)
[09:50] <stalagna> yeah
[09:50] <stalagna> it worked that time
[09:50] <stalagna> wasn't earlier
[09:50] <dcraven> I wonder how many pings google gets in a day... I think everyone uses it as a test.
[09:50] <hajiki> ok good, so you have access now
[09:50] <CrustyPunk> I'm having a problem: trying to boot into Windows XP results in an "error 12: invalid device requested"
[09:50] <yonil> I've connected my digital camera which is also supposed to work as a webcam, how can i test it ?
[09:50] <hajiki> so now i know it works, we can fix your interfaces file
[09:51] <stalagna> still have the stop sign over the networking icon
[09:51] <hajiki> which icon?
[09:51] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: doh. didn't the tweaks to your grub file earlier fix it ?
[09:51] <stalagna> top right, the 2 little computers
[09:51] <CrustyPunk> New
[09:51] <mcquaid> yonil, most digital cameras get mounted as an removable harddrive
[09:51] <CrustyPunk> p
[09:51] <hajiki> oh...
[09:51] <hajiki> don't worry about that for now
[09:51] <stalagna> more like a do not enter sign, and it still says devices not found
[09:51] <stalagna> ok
[09:51] <stalagna> go on, sorry
[09:51] <mcquaid> haven't experimented with webcams in linux much, but have you install gnomemeeting?
[09:51] <sijmen> i've just shut down vmware which was running two copies of ubuntu, a server and a client. works flawlessly, i just need to learn how to use the system though
[09:51] <mcquaid> i'd try it in that first
[09:51] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> man if this gentoo install don't work on my secondary pc I'm going to put ubuntu in it
[09:51] <yonil> mcquaid, yeah that works. now i connected it in "webcam" mode, so its supposed to function as a webcam - how can i use a webcam ?
[09:51] <CrustyPunk> HappyFool, the tweaks everyone was telling me to make, I'd already tried
[09:51] <hajiki> stalagna, i think it's just looking at the wrong device
[09:52] <HappyFool> hmm
[09:52] <hajiki> if you right click it and configure it
[09:52] <mcquaid> try gnomemeeting
[09:52] <hajiki> you can set it to eth0
[09:52] <stalagna> ok, i did, and it took care of that problem
[09:52] <hajiki> ok cool
[09:52] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: just tell me what you've done so far (not the tweaks). Had a windows install, installed ubuntu, and then windows stopped booting ? Is that about it ?
[09:52] <stalagna> do i still need to fix my network/interface file?
[09:52] <hajiki> so you want that to work when you boot your computer right?
[09:53] <stalagna> yeah
[09:53] <hajiki> yeah interfaces file
[09:53] <hajiki> ok open the gnome networking tool
[09:53] <hajiki> if it was already open close it, and re-open it
[09:54] <stalagna> k
[09:54] <Echelon-H> yonil, my digital camera seems to be not supported.
[09:54] <hajiki> once it's open, the first tab, the connections tab
[09:54] <hajiki> how many things do you see in the list?
[09:54] <stalagna> 2, modem and ethernet, both grey
[09:54] <yonil> Echelon-H, mine is, I'm speaking of the webcam function now which I'm testing ... anyway you can always look for drivers in sourceforge :P
[09:54] <CrustyPunk> HappyFool, Had XP, installed Ubuntu on a new partition, fucked up, reinstalled Ubuntu, reinstalled again after it broke, rebooted to Windows a day or two later, secondary hard drive was destroyed, reformatted it as ext2, windows would no longer boot, reinstalled windows which killed GRUB, reinstalled Ubuntu tog et grub back and now Windows won't boot
[09:54] <hajiki> ok good
[09:54] <hajiki> select the ethernet one
[09:54] <hybrid_goth> anyone here running ubuntu on an ibook g3
[09:55] <hajiki> and then click properties on the right
[09:55] <stalagna> k
[09:55] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: ouch
[09:55] <CrustyPunk> Basically I've raped my computer in every possible orifice over the past couple of days
[09:55] <hajiki> check the little box that says this device is configured
[09:55] <stalagna> k
[09:55] <hajiki> and next to configuration
[09:55] <hajiki> change it to dhcp
[09:55] <hajiki> the click ok
[09:55] <stalagna> done
[09:55] <stalagna> thats it?
[09:55] <Fator_Dee> CrustyPunk: no wonder it will not work anymore
[09:55] <mcquaid> i don't trust parted for partitioning when there are existing fat32 partitions on a drive
[09:55] <hajiki> click ok again
[09:55] <CrustyPunk> And very seriously thought about getting a new computer
[09:55] <drcode> hi all
[09:56] <hajiki> and you should be set
[09:56] <lauri_> How I can install Kubuntu ?
[09:56] <lauri_> I have now Gnome ;F
[09:56] <hajiki> if you want reboot, and let me know if it worked
[09:56] <HappyFool> ok, so you had a working windows, installed ubuntu and windows no longer boots, but there's a windows entry in the grub menu
[09:56] <Fator_Dee> lauri_: apt-get isntall kubuntu-desktop
[09:56] <stalagna> great, new error
[09:56] <hybrid_goth> lauri_: apt-get install kde
[09:56] <hajiki> if not we can try to fix it
[09:56] <CrustyPunk> HappyFool,  Yep
[09:56] <hajiki> don't activate it, as we activated it manually
[09:56] <mcquaid> way back when, i installed mandrake, let parted do it's thing, and everything seemed fine, but partition tools in windows gave me errors on my partitions when attempting to resize stuff
[09:56] <hajiki> we did it manually when we did the dhclient eth0
[09:56] <stalagna> failed to run network-admin
[09:56] <stalagna> ok
[09:56] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: i'm just going to install the grub-docs to see if there's an explanation of that error code. google didn't reveal anything obvious
[09:56] <stalagna> ill restart
[09:56] <mcquaid> same thing happened later with another red hat based distro
[09:57] <CrustyPunk> HappyFool, that was my problem. I googled for every possible pertaining thing I could think of
[09:57] <mcquaid> in my ignorance i blamed mandrake at the time, not realizing pretty much all distro's are using parted
[09:57] <mcquaid> curious if parted is considered safe now with existing win partitions
[09:57] <hajiki> stalagna, wireless might be a little more tricky, but if you have patience we could probably figure it out
[09:57] <CrustyPunk> HappyFool, there were a lot of people having the same problem as me with Linux, but none with Windows
[09:58] <stalagna> when it was restarting, i sall it failed at deconfiguring network devices?
[09:58] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: just to check, ubuntu is currently booting ?
[09:58] <CrustyPunk> Yeah. I'm in Ubuntu now
[09:58] <hajiki> thats fine, look for errors when it boots up
[09:58] <stalagna> and as far as the wireless, ill have to catch you another time, already 45 min late from being back from lunch
[09:58] <james__> does LVM come with a performance hit?
[09:59] <hajiki> ok no problem
[09:59] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: hrm. this is from the docs: "12 : Invalid device requested: This error is returned if a device string is recognizable but does not fall under the other device errors."
[09:59] <CrustyPunk> That's what I found through google, but it makes no sense to me. =\
[10:00] <HappyFool> i think it means 'something went wrong, i don't know what'
[10:00] <hajiki> stalagna, after it boots just make sure you can browse the web and stuff. if you can then it works
[10:00] <stalagna> well before i go, i wanted to update my version
[10:00] <hajiki> to do that manually you run
[10:00] <CrustyPunk> HappyFool, which to me means "...and you don't have a chance in hell of figuring it out." =P
[10:00] <HappyFool> heh
[10:00] <hajiki> 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get upgrade'
[10:00] <stalagna> i have the updates downloaded, and when i run the installer it says failed to fetch such and such
[10:01] <hajiki> it will tell you how many new packages (programs are available) and ask you to confirm the upgrade by hitting Y for yes
[10:01] <hajiki> hmmm
[10:01] <stalagna> i will try it manually
[10:01] <hajiki> its probably trying to read them off the cd
[10:01] <JayLv99> hello :)
[10:01] <CrustyPunk> HappyFool, any ideas?
[10:02] <CrustyPunk> Or are you as lost as me?
[10:02] <JayLv99> can someone help me with my installation of ubuntu?
[10:02] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: are you relatively convinced your grub menu.lst file is correct?
[10:02] <hajiki> can you run this 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep cd'
[10:02] <JayLv99> I just installed the ISO file
[10:02] <JayLv99> and then burned it to CD
[10:02] <Fator_Dee> CrustyPunk: is your windows and ubuntu on different harddrives?
[10:02] <CrustyPunk> HappyFool, relatively, yes.
[10:02] <stalagna> its working, so far so good, thanks a bunch hajiki
[10:02] <JayLv99> but when I choose "run from CD" in setup, it says "Operating System Not Found"
[10:02] <hajiki> no problem
[10:03] <CrustyPunk> Fator_Dee, Same drive with two partitions
[10:03] <hajiki> hope you enjoy your new install ;] 
[10:03] <stalagna> so far so good
[10:03] <stalagna> thanks again
[10:03] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: what I *can* tell you is I have windows on /dev/hda1 (ie. partition 1) and ubuntu on .. well, on other /dev/hda partitions, and everything has worked perfectly
[10:03] <CrustyPunk> Everything's been fine for me too, until that huge mess I cited earlier
[10:05] <othernoob> CrustyPunk what was that rootnoverify earlier in your menu.lst ?
[10:05] <Fator_Dee> CrustyPunk: could you put your menu.lst on pastebin so would could look if it's relatively correct
[10:05] <florian> sorry, I just want to now if this nasty bug of the mplayer (crash playing dvds) was fixed
[10:05] <JayLv99> I downloaded Ubuntu to my computer (running Win98 on a Hewlett Packard) and burned it to CD using Nero (made by "Ahead"). Then when I reset and went into setup, told it to run from CD only, it said "Operating System not found"... any ideas?
[10:05] <CrustyPunk> othernoob, one of the sites I found said to make "root" into "rootnoverify"
[10:05] <CrustyPunk> Fator_Dee, will do
[10:06] <othernoob> CrustyPunk: and that was before or after you changed hd(0,4) to hd(0,0) ?
[10:06] <CrustyPunk> Fator_Dee, http://pastebin.com/290898
[10:06] <othernoob> JayLv99 you sure you burned it properly ?
[10:06] <CrustyPunk> othernoob, After
[10:07] <JayLv99> yup...
[10:07] <JayLv99> it shows up on the CD when I go to mycomputer
[10:07] <othernoob> CrustyPunk.. what's hd(5,0) ?
[10:07] <othernoob> CrustyPunk, it should be hd(0,4)
[10:07] <caine> hey guys i need help with apollon
[10:08] <caine> it keeps telling me that it doesnt have the giFT file
[10:08] <caine> and i cant figure out why
[10:08] <CrustyPunk> othernoob, hd(5,0) is what someone else told me to change it to
[10:08] <HappyFool> don't you mean (hd0,4) ?
[10:08] <othernoob> CrustyPunk. there's also no "a" there.. so change hda(5,0) to hd(0,4)
[10:08] <Fator_Dee> CrustyPunk: that doesn't seem to work, so change it! :-)
[10:08] <othernoob> CrustyPunk: hd(x,y)  x= which harddisk, y= which partition
[10:09] <CrustyPunk> I *think* hd(0,4) was what it was beifore I tried changing stuff
[10:09] <CrustyPunk> othernoob, that makes sense. =o
[10:09] <CrustyPunk> othernoob, Thanks, I didn't know that
[10:09] <HappyFool> don't the brackets go outside the hd? as in, (hd0,4), not hd(0,4)
[10:09] <othernoob> CrustyPunk: you're welcome
[10:09] <othernoob> HappyFool. whoops, you're right
[10:10] <CrustyPunk> That might be the problem =o
[10:10] <caine> can anybody tell me why Apollon is not recieving the giFT file
[10:10] <othernoob> CrustyPunk it's (hd0,4) ;)
[10:10] <HappyFool> wouldn't partition 5 (== 4 in grub-counting) have to be an extended partition ?
[10:10] <CrustyPunk> Shall I reboot and give it a shot?
[10:10] <HappyFool> hang on ;)
[10:10] <othernoob> CrustyPunk, did you change the brackets ?
[10:10] <CrustyPunk> othernoob, yessir
[10:11] <CrustyPunk> rootnoverify	(hd0,4)
[10:11] <CrustyPunk> makeactive
[10:11] <CrustyPunk> chainloader	+1
[10:11] <CrustyPunk> Is that right?
[10:11] <othernoob> seems right
[10:11] <HappyFool> do you know where your windows is ? i.e., which partition ?
[10:11] <mcquaid> isn't there some type of task manager for gnome, if something crashes? for ex. totem locked up on me the other day while it was fullscreen
[10:11] <othernoob> HappyFool: his xp is on hda5
[10:11] <dabaSlon_mv> CrustyPunk: did you try the one I gave you?
[10:12] <mcquaid> i can't really explain to the gf, first press ctrl alt f2, then type killall totem, then ctrl alt f7 to get back to the gui
[10:12] <othernoob> HappyFool: the comment in the menu.lst shows that
[10:12] <Fator_Dee> mcquaid: do you mean system -> system monitor
[10:12] <HappyFool> othernoob: ok, and you reckon (hd0,4) maps to that ?
[10:12] <dabaSlon_mv> alt+tab would move over to aother window, like in win32.
[10:12] <mcquaid> you'd think there would be something tied to a hot key combination like ctrl alt del
[10:12] <dabaSlon_mv> then, you can forcequit, make an aplet on the panel for her, to force quit.
[10:12] <mcquaid> Fator_Dee, kinda useless when a fullscreen app has locked
[10:12] <HappyFool> othernoob: the docs say '(hd0,4) specifies the first extended partition'
[10:12] <Fator_Dee> mcquaid: oh, :-o
[10:12] <dabaSlon_mv> mcquaid:EVEN WHEN FULLSCREEN,
[10:13] <cyphase> cool, i didn't know HP was supporting Ubuntu
[10:13] <dabaSlon_mv> sorry tcaps.
[10:13] <othernoob> HappyFool: mmh, i guess we should have a look at his fdisk -l shouldnt we ?
[10:13] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: you still here, i hope, not rebooting ? ;)
[10:13] <HappyFool> ah, there he is
[10:13] <Crusty> Sorry
[10:13] <mcquaid> dabaSlon_mv, what exactly do you mean?
[10:13] <Crusty> My connection dropped
[10:13] <Fator_Dee> mcquaid: or change to a another virtual desktop
[10:13] <Crusty> /dev/hda5   *           2        1562    12538701    7  HPFS/NTFS
[10:13] <HappyFool> do you know what partition your windows is on ?
[10:14] <Crusty> Would that be partition 5?
[10:14] <dabaSlon_mv> CrustyPunk: I had give you a working grub entry./..
[10:14] <dabaSlon_mv> did you try uit?
[10:14] <othernoob> Crusty: could you paste your fdisk -l ?
[10:14] <dabaSlon_mv> mcquaid: familiar with alt+tab?
[10:14] <mcquaid> heh ya that might work never thought of that
[10:14] <mcquaid> yep
[10:14] <Crusty> /dev/hda1               2        1562    12538732+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[10:14] <Crusty> /dev/hda2   *        1563        2434     7004308+  83  Linux
[10:14] <Crusty> /dev/hda5   *           2        1562    12538701    7  HPFS/NTFS
[10:14] <mcquaid> still gonna try tying gnome sys mon to a hot key combo
[10:14] <dabaSlon_mv> k, well, tehn, make a firce quit applet on the panel for her.
[10:14] <Crusty> That's the fdisk for the drive windows/Ubuntu is on
[10:14] <DarKnesS_WolF> what is the package that have esdplay bin file ? i coudn`t find it
[10:14] <mcquaid> and i still think it should be default
[10:15] <dabaSlon_mv> Crusty: did you try using the one I gave you?
[10:15] <othernoob> HappyFool: mmh, think it should be 0,2 then if there are only 3 parts ?
[10:15] <HappyFool> Crusty: so you've installed windows on the first extended partition ?
[10:15] <Crusty> dabaSlon_mv, I didn't get one
[10:15] <dabaSlon_mv> othernoob: nope.
[10:15] <dabaSlon_mv> crusty, an hour ago...
[10:15] <Crusty> HappyFool, to be honest, I don't know where that extended partition
[10:15] <dabaSlon_mv> ill paste it to pastebin again, give you a linki.
[10:15] <Crusty> dabaSlon_mv, sorry, I didn't see it =x
[10:15] <dabaSlon_mv> k? look thuis time...
[10:15] <othernoob> dabaSlon_mv: why did it name xp then hda5 ?
[10:15] <Crusty> came from*
[10:17] <dabaSlon_mv> http://pastebin.com/290908
[10:17] <dabaSlon_mv> there, that wqill work, replace yours with that.
[10:17] <othernoob> dabaSlon_mv i said that already ;)
[10:17] <dabaSlon_mv> andthyen follow the resst, and you are set 1-00%
[10:17] <dabaSlon_mv> hp[efulle.
[10:18] <dabaSlon_mv> I dont know what you are refering, g2g watvhing movie still
[10:18] <HappyFool> it looks like (hd0,4) is correct
[10:18] <HappyFool> see here, e.g., on how /dev/hda* is named: http://www.linux.com/howtos/Partition/partition-2.shtml
[10:18] <family> what exactly do I need in order to play .wmv files on Ubuntu?
[10:18] <othernoob> HappyFool: i'd think so too.. should give it a try shouldn't he ?
[10:18] <HappyFool> /dev/hda5 refers to the first 'logical' partition
[10:18] <HappyFool> but i thought CrustyPunk *had* (hd0,4) and it didn't work
[10:19] <HappyFool> Crusty: i guess you'd better give that a try, anyway.
[10:19] <Crusty> Yeah
[10:19] <Fator_Dee> he had (hda5,0)
[10:19] <Crusty> I just updated GRUM
[10:19] <Crusty> GRUB*
[10:20] <Crusty> I'll be back, either in Winblows or Ubuntu =o
[10:20] <othernoob> Fator_Dee: he had lots of things today ;)
[10:20] <fabs> hello all
[10:20] <Fator_Dee> othernoob: and I am not doubting that :-)
[10:20] <othernoob> lol
[10:21] <othernoob> would anyone happen to know a good math prog for polynomdivision ?
[10:21] <othernoob> which doesn't just give me the answer but also shows me the way..
[10:21] <HappyFool> you could give ginac a whirl. not sure how good it is. you need symbolic division, i presume ?
[10:21] <HappyFool> ah, i don't think ginac does that
[10:22] <othernoob> yea HappyFool i'd need that
[10:22] <othernoob> i'm too tired for newton right now ..and my paper should be done today ..
[10:24] <family> what exactly do I need in order to play .wmv files on Ubuntu?
[10:24] <Fator_Dee> family: w32codecs
[10:25] <HappyFool> family: i don't know *exactly* but if you look here you might find some help: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:25] <xMaximex_> title Other operating systems:
[10:25] <xMaximex_> #:2 <-- type: 0 => linux, 1 => windows, 2 => other
[10:25] <xMaximex_> root
[10:25] <xMaximex_> title Windows XP
[10:25] <xMaximex_> #:1 <-- type: 0 => linux, 1 => windows, 2 => other
[10:25] <xMaximex_>         rootnoverify (hd1,0)
[10:25] <xMaximex_>         makeactive
[10:25] <Fator_Dee> agh
[10:25] <xMaximex_>         chainloader +1
[10:25] <xMaximex_> what's wrong with that ?
[10:26] <HappyFool> please don't paste more than 2 or 3 lines
[10:26] <mcquaid> i'll try alt-tab next time totem freezes, which unfortunately has been somewhat frequent
[10:26] <Fator_Dee> mcquaid: maybe you should try to change to something more stable? if possible that is
[10:26] <Fator_Dee> mcquaid: or was that your gf who had the problem :-o
[10:27] <HappyFool> xMaximex_: i don't think a 'root' without a corresponding (hd*,*) is useful in grub's menu.lst
[10:27] <xMaximex_> HappyFool: what ?
[10:27] <othernoob> xMaximex : where is your xp located ?
[10:28] <xMaximex_> othernoob: on my second hd
[10:28] <xMaximex_> hdb
[10:28] <othernoob> first partition ?
[10:28] <Fator_Dee> xMaximex_: compare that line to others in your grub and you should see what's the problem
[10:28] <Fator_Dee> *those lines
[10:28] <HappyFool> you have a line 'root             ' with no following (hd...)
[10:28] <xMaximex_> othernoob: yes, first partition
[10:29] <xMaximex_> HappyFool: that's only for the Other os line..
[10:30] <Fator_Dee> ?
[10:30] <HappyFool> ah
[10:30] <yonil> Can anyone help with setting up my webcam ? Seems like all applications are looking for /dev/video0, I dont have that yet I have /dev/video1394 ... what does that mean ?
[10:30] <HappyFool> i have that too
[10:30] <HappyFool> bizarre
[10:30] <MarioOs> position where your cam is pluged in
[10:31] <xMaximex_> othernoob: why ?
[10:31] <yonil> MarioOs, well do you know how can I test my cam ? all applications dealing with webcams dont quite work
[10:31] <othernoob> xMaximex: just making sure (hd1,0) is correct..
[10:31] <MarioOs> have you installed drivers for the cam, or have you modified the config of those apps you are trying to run to work with that cam
[10:31] <xMaximex_> when i select windows XP it only display :
[10:32] <xMaximex_>  rootnoverify (hd1,0)
[10:32] <xMaximex_>         makeactive
[10:32] <xMaximex_>         chainloader +1
[10:32] <xMaximex_> and do nothin
[10:32] <othernoob> xMaximex: why did you add "noverify" ?
[10:33] <xMaximex_> othernoob: i added nothing ..
[10:33] <othernoob> xMaximex: delete that noverify... and under root (hd1,0) add safedefault, then try it.
[10:33] <othernoob> eh
[10:33] <othernoob> savedefault*
[10:34] <othernoob> without the * of course..
[10:35] <Fator_Dee> Crusty is taking a while
[10:35] <othernoob> Fator_Dee: indeed..lost in the realms of xp i guess...
[10:35] <CrustyPunk> Sitll broken
[10:35] <HappyFool> doh
[10:35] <Fator_Dee> speaking of the devil
[10:35] <othernoob> or not..
[10:35] <nighthawk> hi all - I have a sound question-
[10:36] <HappyFool> same error?
[10:36] <CrustyPunk> Talking about me behind my back are ye? =p
[10:36] <CrustyPunk> Yeah, same error.
[10:36] <othernoob> CrustyPunk: under root (hd..) add savedefault
[10:36] <nighthawk> ESS sound card on a Compaq Desktop- souncard not recognized- any ideas
[10:36] <iceman> whats the repositorty folder ?
[10:36] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> anyone here use xfce4 ?
[10:36] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: \o
[10:36] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> is it good ?
[10:37] <othernoob> if you don't already have it now..
[10:37] <Fator_Dee> absofrigginlutely
[10:37] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> lol
[10:37] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> will have to try it out
[10:37] <thenuke> nighthawk: built-in?
[10:37] <HappyFool> othernoob: i don't think that will change anything. according to the docs it doesn't do anything too exciting
[10:37] <nighthawk> thenuke- negative ISA card
[10:37] <Fator_Dee> CrustyPunk: can you access your windows partition from ubuntu?
[10:38] <thenuke> nighthawk: I just installed some sb128 to compaq deskpro and atleast ubuntu loaded some modules for it but did not get any sound out from it yet ;)
[10:38] <othernoob> HappyFool: just read on some site that it might be needed :/
[10:38] <tga> hehe, nice gnome startup sound.. I forgot I had my volume way up
[10:38] <HappyFool> othernoob: ah?
[10:38] <darksatanic> In Hoary, AMD64 vs libxine-based programs (xine-ui, totem-xine, gxine). They all segfault. Is this a known problem, or have I screwed things up somewhere?
[10:38] <CrustyPunk> Fator_Dee, haven't tried. Let me mount it and give it a shot.
[10:38] <thenuke> nighthawk: well, if it is not plug and play, it does not work out of the box
[10:38] <iceman> shoot ... how to install superkaramba
[10:38] <HappyFool> othernoob: so much for the docs
[10:38] <_Am0N_> hi
[10:38] <xMaximex> othernoob: it says : Filesystem unknown
[10:38] <Boricua_Kid> Hi everyone... I am having a little problem with Ubuntu..my mouse seems to hang up for a bit then it stops.. any help?
[10:39] <othernoob> HappyFool: since there are only 3 partitions on crustys hd, do you think 0,4 is correct ?
[10:39] <HappyFool> yes
[10:39] <HappyFool> ntfs was on /dev/hda5
[10:39] <nighthawk> thenuke- I wa looking or the alsaconf - but it does not seem to work :-(
[10:39] <thenuke> iceman: oh, I think I was a bit wrong.. If it happens to be isa PNP, you can configure it with some tools
[10:39] <thenuke> and if it is not PNP you have to manually edit the configs
[10:39] <HappyFool> (hd0,4) and /dev/hda5 both refer to the first 'logical' partition, afaict
[10:39] <thenuke> apt-get install isapnptools package
[10:40] <othernoob> HappyFool: yea, but could it be that grub only counts the exisiting partitions ?
[10:40] <HappyFool> othernoob: well, not according to the docs. of course, the docs don't say anything about a 'root' without an (hd) spec and they don't specify savedefault as being necessary ;)
[10:40] <_Am0N_> please, i need help... i download and install iweather but i need the "location code" from Venice, Tessera... can we help me?
[10:40] <CrustyPunk> I think I'm doing something wrong
[10:40] <HappyFool> let me just compare my fdisk -l and menu.lst -- i have extended partitions
[10:40] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> Fator_Dee, how easy was it to install ?
[10:41] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> xfce4 ?
[10:41] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: apt-get isntall xfce4
[10:41] <yonil> I've downloaded some driver, (spcaBLABLA.o) where am i supposed to put it in order to be able to modprobe it later ?
[10:41] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: without the typos of course :-|
[10:41] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> lol ok that is easy
[10:41] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: then just logout and change the session
[10:42] <Dave2|Laptop> Is there a way to use libvorbis 1.1 in Ubuntu?
[10:42] <HappyFool> one of my grub entries is (hd0,5), which corresponds to /dev/hda6, so that looks ok
[10:42] <Fator_Dee> CrustyPunk: what do you think you are doing wrong?
[10:42] <CrustyPunk> The fstab to mount my windows partition
[10:43] <CrustyPunk> I still haven't gotten the hang of editing fstab
[10:43] <HappyFool> does a manual mount work ?
[10:43] <CrustyPunk> How would I do a manual mount?
[10:43] <Fator_Dee> CrustyPunk: look for www.ubuntuguide.org for a guide
[10:43] <HappyFool> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda5 /media/windows
[10:44] <HappyFool> you'll need to tweak some options to let a normal user read it, but that will let you test if you can mount it
[10:44] <hybrid_goth> grr
[10:44] <HappyFool>  /media/windows must be an existing directory
[10:44] <othernoob> CrustyPunk: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[10:44] <hybrid_goth> how can i change users in X
[10:45] <CrustyPunk> It's mounted, yes.
[10:45] <Boricua_Kid> Any assistance with the mouse issue in Ubuntu?
[10:45] <kay> Well, I use Breezy.... :p
[10:45] <Fator_Dee> hybrid_goth: care to elaborate
[10:45] <hybrid_goth> nvm
[10:45] <Fator_Dee> :-<
[10:45] <hybrid_goth> Fator_Dee: ty anyway
[10:45] <Fator_Dee> glad I could be of help
[10:46] <CrustyPunk> Be right back
[10:46] <hybrid_goth> Fator_Dee: lol
[10:46] <plovs> who knows where I can find some docs about changing/modifying the install cd?
[10:47] <Boricua_Kid> Ok.. since the mouse question was too hard to answer.. can I get xterm in Ubuntu?
[10:48] <Fator_Dee> Boricua_Kid: alt+f2 and then "xterm"
[10:48] <Boricua_Kid> wow... thanks
[10:49] <Boricua_Kid> now how can I add that to a panel?
[10:49] <pfp> right-click on the panel..
[10:49] <Fator_Dee> um, right click on panel, add launcher or something :-p
[10:50] <nali0th> howdy
[10:50] <Boricua_Kid> yeah.. hit the custom launcher... but what command line
[10:50] <nali0th> doin another ubuntu install for another client...
[10:50] <Boricua_Kid> hmm
[10:50] <Fator_Dee> or was that add new item, sorry, it's been a while since I used gnome
[10:50] <Boricua_Kid> let me see if I can answer this myself.. trying it now
[10:50] <Fator_Dee> what did you write after alt+f2 :-p
[10:51] <CrustyPunk> Okay.. I'm back. And guess what I found? =o
[10:51] <Fator_Dee> ?
[10:52] <CrustyPunk> A new error, on top of error 12.
[10:52] <Fator_Dee> oooh
[10:52] <CrustyPunk> "File system type unknown. Partition type 0x7"
[10:53] <Fator_Dee> I'd vote for b0rged windows, but that's a common reason :-|
[10:53] <Boricua_Kid> thanks Fator and everyone else
[10:53] <Boricua_Kid> it wroks
[10:53] <Boricua_Kid> works*
[10:53] <Fator_Dee> Boricua_Kid: np
[10:53] <Boricua_Kid> now if I can get this mouse from lagging
[10:53] <CrustyPunk> I can't see how it could be borked windows when I reinstalled WIndows last night
[10:53] <Fator_Dee> windowses are b0rged since birth
[10:53] <CrustyPunk> True.
[10:54] <Fator_Dee> that's why it's common :-/
[10:54] <Boricua_Kid> Has anyone had this problem with the mouse.. when you move it, sometimes it stops and moves again.. or lagg some.
[10:54] <CrustyPunk> Bah
[10:55] <CrustyPunk> This wouldn't be such a problem if I could play my games in Ubuntu
[10:55] <CrustyPunk> Hell, if I  could do that I'd uninstall Windows
[10:55] <pfp> Boricua_Kid: have you tried another mouse, or usb instead ps2 / viceversa
[10:55] <Boricua_Kid> yes pfp.. its USB
[10:56] <Fator_Dee> Boricua_Kid: I have that only if my comp swaps a lot
[10:56] <CrustyPunk> Hmm
[10:56] <CrustyPunk> Interesting
[10:56] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> Fator_Dee, you're right its sweet
[10:56] <Boricua_Kid> hmmmm... I am running a Lap and Ubuntu
[10:56] <CrustyPunk> A quick google search found this:
[10:56] <Boricua_Kid> and its lagg alot
[10:56] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: ^_^
[10:56] <CrustyPunk>  Partition num: 4,  Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7
[10:56] <Boricua_Kid> kinda annoy
[10:57] <CrustyPunk> Exact same as me
[10:57] <pfp> mmyes, swapping and heavy disk i/o can cause lags...
[10:57] <Boricua_Kid> can you prevent alot of swapping?
[10:57] <Fator_Dee> more memory
[10:57] <CrustyPunk> Does GRUB have problems recognizing NTFS?
[10:57] <Gwildor> smaller DE
[10:57] <Gwildor> Boricua_Kid,
[10:58] <pfp> Boricua_Kid: how much RAM do you have?
[10:58] <Boricua_Kid> only 256
[10:58] <angrypunk> anyone using a prosavage ddr?
[10:58] <othernoob|mathpa> CrustyPunk afaik no
[10:58] <pfp> i'm using ubuntu, gnome on a laptop w/ 256 ram
[10:58] <othernoob> math sucks..
[10:58] <angrypunk> as fas as i know
[10:58] <Boricua_Kid> Its a dell
[10:58] <othernoob> afaik = as far as i know
[10:58] <CrustyPunk> Ah
[10:58] <Fator_Dee> as far as i know
[10:59] <CrustyPunk> Gotcha
[10:59] <Fator_Dee> (just to be sure)
[10:59] <othernoob> lol
[10:59] <CrustyPunk> Because the one it can't recognize is NTFS
[10:59] <CrustyPunk> And the google search turned up someone else who's NTFS drive can't be recognized
[10:59] <pfp> Boricua_Kid: maybe its a usb problem, have you tried ps/2 mouses?
[11:00] <othernoob> CrustyPunk: if that was a common problem it'd been fixed by now i believe ;)
[11:00] <Boricua_Kid> hmmm no, let me try it now.. I have a ps2 mouse here
[11:00] <thechitowncubs> Hey
[11:00] <thechitowncubs> I am interested in getting the rhythmbox CVS version... does anyone in here do this?
[11:01] <crimsun> rb devel uses arch last I checked, not cvs, but there are more instructions in #rhythmbox on ircd.gnome.org
[11:01] <[G] Canibal> I've just installed Ubuntu , how do I config my internet ( ADSL , Alcatel speed touch .. ) ? Thx :o
[11:01] <crimsun> or just read the instructions on rb's home page
[11:02] <CrustyPunk> Is there a halfway decent graphical partition manager for linuz?
[11:02] <CrustyPunk> linux*
[11:02] <DarKnesS_WolF> CrustyPunk, qtparted
[11:03] <CrustyPunk> Thanks
[11:03] <CrustyPunk> Ooh
[11:03] <nickrud> thechitowncubs, use the jhbuild system on the gnome cvs site, I've done a few things with that, but not rhythmbox
[11:03] <CrustyPunk> I may have found a fix to the file system unknown error
[11:03] <othernoob> CrustyPunk: what are you trying to do ?
[11:03] <othernoob> CrustyPunk heh. what is it ?
[11:03] <CrustyPunk> "go into the Bios and change the harddisk access from auto to LBA. That helped and I was able to boot into my Windows XP."
[11:03] <nickrud> eh, I assumed rhythmbox was in gnome cvs
[11:04] <othernoob> heh. go try it ;)
[11:04] <othernoob> and report :D
[11:04] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> I like amarok better then rythmbox
[11:04] <CrustyPunk> I don't know how to get into the BIOS =P
[11:04] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> but its kde based
[11:04] <Fator_Dee> CrustyPunk: it tells at boot
[11:04] <nickrud> I've gotten partial to muine, I like seeing covers
[11:04] <CrustyPunk> My PC doesn't say anything at boot =o
[11:04] <Fator_Dee> CrustyPunk: usually its "del" or some F"number" button
[11:04] <Fator_Dee> :-o
[11:05] <CrustyPunk> Oooh. That stuff's the bios? =o
[11:05] <pfp> CrustyPunk: often f2/f10/f12
[11:05] <Fator_Dee> CrustyPunk: I suppose so
[11:05] <CrustyPunk> It's either f8 or f12 for me
[11:05] <amittp> Hey Hi, I am new to ubuntu liked, it, but I have one small question, why is there different project called kubuntu? can we not just apt-get kde and use it?
[11:05] <Fator_Dee> but I don't know what you mean :-D
[11:05] <CrustyPunk> Time to go smash all the F keys at startup! =D
[11:05] <[G] Canibal> Can anyone here help me config my internet ? :(
[11:05] <amittp> is there something that will restrict me from deviating from gnome wm to something other?
[11:05] <othernoob> CrustyPunk: dont play too muchwith the bios if you dont know what youre doing ;)
[11:05] <Fator_Dee> amittp: nothing is restricting
[11:06] <CrustyPunk> othernoob, good call. ;)
[11:06] <amittp> so, kubuntu? why kubuntu?
[11:06] <Fator_Dee> amittp: it's just that people want that kind of distro that only includes kde, so they made it
[11:06] <nickrud> amittp, aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[11:06] <amittp> hmm, i understand what you mean ... :)
[11:06] <amittp> nickrud, ty :)
[11:07] <nickrud> amittp, np
[11:07] <pfp> [G] Canibal: what's the problem w/ your connection
[11:08] <sylvan> how do you tell Xorg how much video memory your device has (ATI Radeon 9800 pro using the fglrx drivers)?
[11:08] <[G] Canibal> I have the Alcatel Home Touch , what do I need to do in order to get my internet working ? :P
[11:09] <pfp> [G] Canibal: hmm, do you have it working on some other machine
[11:10] <nickrud> sylvan, there's VideoRam option under the card definition, see man radeon
[11:10] <[G] Canibal> What do you mean by other machine ?
[11:10] <[G] Canibal> I'm not in any kind of network ...
[11:10] <sylvan> I have Driver "fglrx" right now, is there a reason I should use radeon instead?
[11:11] <nickrud> sylvan, no, I don't have an ati, man fglrx will have the info as well, I assume
[11:11] <pfp> or do you have it working eg. in windows, so that you know that the connection itself is OK
[11:11] <sylvan> hmm it doesn't...
[11:11] <sylvan> it says "radeon" only supports 2D for my card...
[11:12] <nickrud> sylvan, that was only an example
[11:12] <[G] Canibal> I'm currently speaking from the same computer , only using windows ..
[11:12] <amittp> [G] Canibal, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-10987.html  --> not sure if it is same, but have look at it
[11:12] <sylvan> man gflrx doesn't exist...
[11:12] <nickrud> sylvan, lol, I guess it's not ubuntan, is it :)
[11:12] <sylvan> ubuntan?
[11:12] <nickrud> sylvan, VideoRam is a standard option for all cards
[11:13] <sylvan> ok... I'll try that..
[11:13] <nickrud> sylvan, look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log, it will tell you what X thinks your card has
[11:13] <nickrud> VideoRam is in kilobytes
[11:16] <thenuke> what is most simple bittorrent client?
[11:16] <agt> Anyone know where I can get help with openbox?
[11:16] <DefHandz> I am trying to update wxPython from 2.4 to 2.6, but It wont update.
[11:16] <DefHandz> Do I have to manually do this?
[11:17] <SirGir> Is there any chance that we might see mono for AMD64 soon?
[11:18] <nickrud> thenuke, the only time I ever did a torrent was hoary; I dragged the link, to my desktop, and clicked. That's it.
[11:18] <nickrud> it that wasn't simple
[11:18] <thenuke> nickrud: well, for whom I need torrent does not use gnome
[11:19] <DefHandz> Anyone know if I have to update to wxPython manually?
[11:19] <nickrud> ah, well apostates are ok, I guess :)
[11:19] <Fator_Dee> thenuke: btdownloadcurses from commandline
[11:19] <thenuke> Fator_Dee: oh ok. curses, sounds like non-gui :)
[11:19] <Fator_Dee> right on
[11:19] <Fator_Dee> but it's simple
[11:19] <thenuke> ookey hmm
[11:19] <Fator_Dee> just btdownloadcurse torrentfile.torrent
[11:20] <Fator_Dee> there are of curse (:-p) extra arguments available
[11:22] <amittp> anyone installed emusic downloader on ubuntu?
[11:22] <SirGir> anyone running Mono on AMD64?
[11:22] <iratsu> i get this error when i try to download soemthing in firefox: "XML Parsing Error: Not well-fomred"
[11:23] <iratsu> "Location :chrome://mozapps/content/downloads"
[11:24] <hajiki> has anyone set up a mail server on ubuntu? if so what did you use?
[11:25] <thenuke> hajiki: well.. postfix is in there by default
[11:25] <tga> hajiki, postfix is a pretty good bet
[11:25] <hajiki> id like to be able to allow external users to relay if they authenticate
[11:25] <thenuke> exim is another one if one does not like postfix
[11:25] <tga> qmail if you're masochistic enough
[11:25] <hajiki> does the postifx in ubuntu come with the sasl patch to allow authentication?
[11:25] <Curlydave> hey
[11:26] <Curlydave> i just reformatted
[11:26] <Curlydave> does anyone know why i can't apt?
[11:26] <Curlydave> i'm trying to get imwheel
[11:26] <Curlydave> but it doesn't recognize apt
[11:26] <restrex> ??
[11:26] <restrex> what?
[11:27] <restrex> Curlydave but it doesn't recognize apt < ?
[11:27] <restrex> explain it better
[11:27] <Curlydave> restrex nvm i was reading a shitty tutorial that told me wrong
[11:27] <Curlydave> it needs a dash not a space
[11:27] <Curlydave> but it still can't find the package
[11:27] <restrex> ap
[11:28] <Curlydave> cause i did something with xorg
[11:28] <nova> hmm
[11:28] <Curlydave> and now it thinks my scrollwheel goes bakc and foward
[11:28] <LinuxJones> Curlydave, that's in the universe repository
[11:28] <SirGir> so.. there are nobody running Mono on AMD64?
[11:28] <Curlydave> and my back and foward scroll
[11:28] <Curlydave> LinuxJones,  what does that mean?
[11:28] <Curlydave> how do i retrieve it from said repository?
[11:29] <LinuxJones> Curlydave, if you want to install that package you need to specify the universe repository (universe is another place to download over 10,000 more programs/packages)
[11:29] <Curlydave> LinuxJones, how would i do that?
[11:30] <LinuxJones> Curlydave, search the ubuntulinux.org webpage there are a few howto's
[11:30] <thechitowncubs> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[11:30] <thechitowncubs> What is wrong with GCC?
[11:30] <thechitowncubs> I am trying to compile gDesklets
[11:30] <thechitowncubs> but I can't get past configure
[11:31] <nalioth> thechitowncubs: use apt-get source -b gdesklets
[11:31] <nickrud> Curlydave, unless someone here tells you otherwise, replace your sources.list with http://pastebin.com/290397 , and you'll be good to go
[11:31] <LinuxJones> thechitowncubs, can't you use the version that's available for download using apt ?
[11:31] <thechitowncubs> A new version just came out
[11:31] <Curlydave> nick, gotcha!!
[11:31] <nalioth> thechitowncubs: then the cutting edge is cutting you
[11:31] <LinuxJones> thechitowncubs, what error does it spit out ?
[11:31] <thechitowncubs> scroll up
[11:32] <thechitowncubs> seems to be a problem w/ my GCC compiler
[11:32] <boricua540> Can aterm be installed in Ubuntu?
[11:32] <nickrud> boricua540, yes
[11:32] <Curlydave> nickrud, ,er append that to the file nto replace?
[11:32] <nickrud> Curlydave, replace yours completely, just use those six lines
[11:33] <ys76> boricua540, Try aptitude install aterm or synaptic
[11:33] <boricua540> thanks.. I need to use the get apt command to install aterm
[11:33] <iratsu> is there a problem in hoary with downloading things in firefox?
[11:33] <HackeR_54> iratsu, no?
[11:34] <ys76> iratsu, I did not notice anything...
[11:34] <Curlydave> nickrud, k!
[11:34] <nickrud> Curlydave, np, a good sources.list helps
[11:34] <Curlydave> nickrud, i love you i'ts dling now
[11:34] <hans_> when is start mplayer an error message says: new_face failed. maybe the font path is wrong.      any suggestions?
[11:34] <Curlydave> i just wish it would include this by default
[11:35] <nickrud> Curlydave, about the mouse, look under configured mouse in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and see if it has
[11:35] <nickrud> Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"
[11:35] <philipacamaniac> What does adding system_username to the sudoers file really do? Any security implications?
[11:35] <nate__> i'm trying to run "gnome-terminal -x firewalk -h" and the gnome-terminal pops up for a second and then disappears, is there any way to get it to stop disappearing?
[11:37] <iratsu> hmm well i get this error in firefox: http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/705/0
[11:37] <sylvan> something's gone wrong... When I log in I get tons of error message ("must be run as root", "command not found") as little message boxes. And I can't log out using System->Logout (nothing happens when I click it)...
[11:39] <norm_> sylvan, you didn't accidently remove sudo, did you? :P
[11:39] <sylvan> no
[11:39] <sylvan> I went into synaptic just now, and the logout screen came up.. so I went ahead and clicked logout. Now nothing responds but this window (X-Chat)
[11:39] <ys76> nate__, what's the -f switch in Firewalk for?
[11:39] <sylvan> I can still see the desktop, but I can't click on anything
[11:40] <nate__> ys76, help
[11:40] <Fator_Dee> sylvan: what have you done recently?
[11:40] <Fator_Dee> :-\
[11:40] <nate__> ys76, i just want the gnome terminal to remain open once the command firewalk -h is run
[11:41] <sylvan> That was strange.. I got logged out like 5 minutes after I first clicked log out, and 2 minutes after the logout box came up
[11:41] <sylvan> and now, no error messages..
[11:41] <ys76> nate__, I've got to look at the manpage for gnome-terminal, because this behaviour is exactly as most people expect...
[11:42] <Fator_Dee> sylvan: may you left synaptic or other proggies to the last session when you last logged out
[11:42] <Fator_Dee> sylvan: now that they couldn't start, they weren't added to the saved session
[11:43] <ys76> Nakkel, maybe you want something like gnome-terminal -x 'firewalk -h | more' (untested!)
[11:43] <iratsu> anyone have any idea about this?: http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/705/0
[11:43] <sylvan> yes.. maybe.. Doom3 hung and the only thing I could do was Ctrl-Alt-backspace
[11:44] <sylvan> which logged me out somehow
[11:44] <sylvan> is there an equivalent to Ctrl+Alt+Del in linux, btw?
[11:44] <nate__> ys76, doesn't work
[11:44] <som1> ctrl+alt+backspace logs out
[11:44] <som1> :)?
[11:44] <som1> u can make ctrl+alt+del work too
[11:45] <nickrud> shuts down the X server, no logout
[11:45] <som1> well, same for me
[11:45] <som1> anyway
[11:45] <som1> i wanna install a sis7012 driver (its audio) and it wants linux source directory
[11:45] <ys76> nate__, I can't test it at the moment because there isn't any Ubuntu-Box around, but I'll try on monday...
[11:45] <sylvan> the problem with ctrl-alt-backspace seems to be that stuff gets messed up if  you ahve synaptic running when you do
[11:46] <nate__> ys76, it doesn't work
[11:46] <nickrud> sylvan, yeah, no logout, just terminate everything :)
[11:46] <vince_> does anyone know how to have evolution notify me of new mail on the panel, like outlook does in the system tray on windows?
[11:46] <ys76> nate__, Sorry, I can't give you more hints at the moment...
[11:47] <nate__> ys76, np, i'm asking on #bash now
[11:47] <nate__> ys76, its probably more appropriate there
[11:48] <ys76> nate__, I don't think it is related to #bash, because it is an issue of terminal-emulation
[11:48] <ys76> But you may give it a try
[11:48] <som1> ?
[11:49] <nickrud> nate__, I needed something like that once, I don't have it anymore, but (proggy ) && (a while loop waiting for a keystroke) was the essence of it
[11:49] <boricua_kid> the gnome terminal is driving me crazy.. is there away to drop the borders?
[11:49] <dabaSlon_mv> nate__: what, you run a command?
[11:50] <dabaSlon_mv> why dont you open a terminal, and run the other command, and it will stay open...
[11:50] <boricua_kid> its messing my theme up.. need completely transparent borderless terminal
[11:50] <nate__> nickrud, i want a command prompt right after it
[11:50] <DoktorTomoe> Can someone please tell me what kernel module is responsible for CMedia CT8738 Sound chips?
[11:50] <nate__> dabaSlon_mv, I want an icon in the menu that will do this, its for a class
[11:50] <nickrud> ah, I just wanted to read it, sorry.
[11:50] <dabaSlon_mv> nate__: explain more. I dont get it.
[11:51] <dabaSlon_mv> where is this started from?
[11:51] <dabaSlon_mv> what nmenu.
[11:51] <we2by> can I turn that damn fan in my comp case off from Ubuntu?
[11:51] <dabaSlon_mv> and so on.
[11:51] <dabaSlon_mv> it is there for a reason, isnt it, we2by?
[11:52] <we2by> dabaSlon_mv, but it's making alot noices all the time
[11:52] <we2by> I only have x with gnome and xmms running
[11:52] <we2by> even so, it makes alot noices
[11:52] <nate__> dabaSlon_mv, In the 'start' menu, the lil foot in the corner, i will place an icon, which when clicked will open a gnome-terminal, run help for firewalk, then keep the terminal open for inputting the command
[11:53] <Enkidu> I got an error while compiling my kernel...after doing a menuconfig and then a make it said: "drivers/built-in.o(.text+0xa58fe): In function 'isd200_get_inquiry_data': undefined reference to 'ide_fix_driveid' make: *** [.temp_vmlinux1]  Error 1
[11:53] <david__> hey
[11:53] <david__> does anyone know how to get restricted modules?
[11:53] <dabaSlon_mv> nate, do you know how to add something to that menu yet?
[11:54] <david__> E: linux can't find them!
[11:54] <nate__> dabaSlon_mv, YES
[11:54] <dabaSlon_mv> sweet.
[11:54] <dabaSlon_mv> nate__: does the command exit right away?
[11:54] <dabaSlon_mv> like, it ends...
[11:54] <dabaSlon_mv> it does not hang the terminal?
[11:54] <nalioth> david have you edited your repositories?
[11:54] <nickrud> nate__, I now remember what I replaced that with
[11:54] <nate__> dabaSlon_mv, yes, it ends
[11:54] <linuxamoeba21> AAAAAUGH help please i ran the update thing and now hoary is whacked. lots of things fail, X won't load properly... is there a way to undo an update?
[11:55] <nickrud> nate__, create a new profile for gnome terminal
[11:55] <dabaSlon_mv> whats the exact command, and can I run it on my comp?
[11:55] <nickrud> name it firewalk
[11:55] <nate__> yes
[11:55] <david__> i'm trying to install ati drivers from the forum tutorial
[11:55] <nate__> gnome-terminal -x ls --help
[11:55] <david__> but it can't find restricted modules
[11:55] <nate__> that does basically the same thing
[11:55] <nickrud> in the tab title and command, set the command there, and select hold the terminal open
[11:55] <vince_> does anyone here use evolution to check email?
[11:56] <dabaSlon_mv> is this for your assignment?
[11:56] <nickrud> then, in your launcher,
[11:56] <ys76> linuxamoeba21, running breezy?
[11:56] <linuxamoeba21> ys76: hoary
[11:56] <linuxamoeba21> ys76: i used the synaptic smart update, and now failures everywhere.
[11:56] <dabaSlon_mv> nate__: for a school assignment?
[11:56] <nickrud> gnome-terminal --window-with-profile=firewalk
[11:57] <nate__> dabaSlon_mv, no, developing a curriculum, i need it for a custom distro
[11:57] <ys76> linuxamoeba21, Hm haven't heard of any breakages in Hoary duringthe last few weeks
[11:57] <dabaSlon_mv> I dont get that statement.
[11:57] <dabaSlon_mv> Can not parse:)
[11:58] <linuxamoeba21> ys76: i'm thinking its maybe because i had some general debian repositories listed as well... any way to undo maybe?
[11:58] <nate__> nickrud, that was another way to do it that i thought of earlier, but there HAS to be something more elegant
[11:58] <dabaSlon_mv> nickrud: works?
[11:58] <nate__> nickrud, no way i'm the only guy with this problem
[11:58] <dabaSlon_mv> nate, iI dont se it as a problem...
[11:58] <nate__> dabaSlon_mv, you have to create the profile first
[11:58] <nickrud> nate__, dabaSlon_mv that's how I ran aptitude from a panel launcher under debian, I just hadn't got around to doing it here
[11:59] <nate__> dabaSlon_mv, the terminal appears for a millisecond, you you can't view the output
[11:59] <dabaSlon_mv> I see it as a feature, if you tell a trerminal to run with a purpose...once the purrpose is done, it quits.
[11:59] <nate__> dabaSlon_mv, how do you not see that as a problem!?
[11:59] <nate__> dabaSlon_mv, but i don't want that now
[11:59] <dabaSlon_mv> ah, well, I would run it in a terminal that is open.
[11:59] <nate__> dabaSlon_mv, there has to be a way to turn that off
[11:59] <ys76> linuxamoeba21, Mixing repostories without knowing what you're doing? Really bad thing! Maybe you could google for apt-pinning
[11:59] <dabaSlon_mv> I dont think that I would find a use for it...but, good luck:)
[11:59] <nate__> dabaSlon_mv, are you brain-damaged?
[11:59] <dabaSlon_mv> haha