[12:21] Yahoo! As soon as I have all the updates downloaded all the bugs will have vanished! kde 3.4.1 is in the archives:-) [12:21] Thanks guys for providing all the debs. [12:23] is breezy kde-safe yet? [12:26] uniq: I doubt that breezy is safe;-) === hunger_ is now known as hunger [12:28] kde-safe as in.. x and kdebase is installable? [12:28] and starts. [12:28] uniq: I am trying that right now:-) [12:28] great. [12:29] think i'll wait with the upgrade on this machine. [12:33] uniq: apt-get install kdebase started and downloads lots of stuff, so the dependencies seem to be ok. [12:34] great. [12:34] i'm apt-get upgrading the other pc here.. [12:34] with breezy. [12:35] dist-upgrade removes some vital packages (to me) yet. [12:35] kubuntu-desktop is not yet installable. [12:35] yet/still. [12:35] amarok? [12:35] among others. [12:35] there's still enough missing: kdenetwork-stuff, amarok, k3b, kaffeine, konserve, gwenview, kynaptic [12:36] you can simply recompile them yourself.. though. === hunger doubt that this is as simple as that. [12:38] it is for most packages. [12:39] uniq: I helped to migrate a c++ project from gcc 2.95 to 3... I am not keen on repeating the experience (even though the current transistion is not that bad). [12:40] hehe.. understand :) [12:41] uniq: and of course I do not need yet another project to sidetrack me... [12:42] heh.. well.. if you need ex. k3b.. it's probably easier to compile it yourself.. than downgrading everything else :) === hunger managed to find a logical connection that brought him from writing a perl script for his boss to hacking on monotone (via ruby, synopsis, code validation and gdb). [12:43] ... did not yet find the time to get started on that damn perl thingy. [12:44] bash rocks :) [12:44] uniq: zsh rocks even more;-) [12:44] i know.. i use zsh as my default shell.. [12:44] but bash for scripts. [12:45] uniq: Nah... that is no fun... besides: you should aim for POSIX shells, not bash. [12:45] bash rocks. [12:47] don't think i'll need a posix shell in the nearest future. [12:49] uniq: I keep ending up on strange mashines with strange shells;-) [12:49] heh.. luckily i don't have that problem :) [12:50] maybe i'll get it.. if i ever install macosx on this machine. [12:55] Damn KDE... keeps forgetting my keybindings:-( [01:09] hunger: can you at least get them back? [01:09] KaiL: They come and go... [01:10] hunger: here the F-Keys are dead :( [01:10] and some others too [01:11] ...but only for these bindings, F1=help still works [01:11] seams to be an Xorg problem.... [01:12] riddell: #10035 should be fixed in hoary-updates now, right? [01:13] ...since centuries ;) [01:13] uniq: certainly should [01:13] KaiL: the fix for malitious removing of /etc/kderc only came through today [01:14] and has an own bug # [01:14] so we can call 10035 fixed with one of the knetworkconf updates [01:14] I think I closed another bugzilla entry for that [01:15] I should get these more organised :) [01:15] riddell: i closed this one. [01:15] uniq: thanks [01:16] https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11082 << are there localisations for amarok somewhere on the world? [01:18] https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10877 should we call this fixed, or should dbus-qt-1 dependency realy reduced to the indirect one? [01:20] https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10805 this bug remembers me of Mozilla, there are all reports like this [01:21] KaiL: not sure what's up with the amarok locales, someone needs to investigate that [01:22] KaiL: 10877 is still waiting on a kubuntu-desktop update [01:23] 10805 doesn't look kubuntu specific [01:23] but he seems to just be seeing updatedb happening [01:26] does knemo work for people? [01:26] it doesn't do very much for me even when I add a network interface to it [01:27] works for me. [01:27] adds a little icon in the systray.. like in windows. [01:27] but the little icon doesn't do anything [01:27] lets me add commands to the rightclick menu on the icon. and such. [01:27] https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10353 can somebody reproduce that? [01:28] i've added enable and disable. [01:28] that's all. [01:28] uniq: how do you add commands? [01:28] KaiL: I've heard various complaints about kuser crashing [01:29] riddell: right-click - configure - choose your interface - context menu [01:29] 'add new entry' on the right side of the box. [01:31] ah, you have to turn the traffic plotter on [01:31] don't see why it can't detect which interfaces you have [01:32] you have turn on the tool tips as well, silly [01:32] and it doesn't flash when there's traffic [01:33] mine flashes when it's traffic. [01:33] the two monitors icon. [01:34] KaiL: yep, kuser crashes === Riddell confirms [01:34] kail: I can reproduce the kuser crash too. [01:34] on hoary? doesn't do in breezy... [01:34] ah, a quick fix then :) [01:34] i'm on hoary @ ppc.. i can check on breezy @ amd64 too. [01:36] uniq: I found the context menu bit, but how do I set the entries to do something? [01:36] kuser isn't very enterprise.. it's actually very broken. [01:36] riddell: click on the command field. [01:37] https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9900 I guess, xmms-kde is universe? :) [01:37] it's har to find the correct spot :) [01:37] ah [01:37] yes, this thing could do with some improvements in user interface and default settings [01:37] indeed. [01:37] KaiL: it is [01:39] and there are other media control panel applets [01:39] kuser is dangerous.. [01:39] https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9837 something for the settings :) [01:40] I want to replace kuser with guideance [01:40] tried to add a user to another group.. and kuser changed all other settings for the user.. uid set to 0, shell set to nothing, home gone etc. [01:40] KaiL: I'm open to persuation on that one [01:40] now, if i try to remove this user with uid 0.. root will dissapear. [01:41] uniq: the fact that it uses icons from Windows suggests something to me [01:41] hehe :) === uniq is taking a look at the amarok package. [01:51] chances are it just need syncing with debian [01:55] hmm, we are producing a bit bugzilla spam? :) [01:56] uniq: frode@lnix.net is you? [01:56] riddell: you're right.. [01:56] kail: yes. [01:59] riddell: will things in main get synced from debian automatically? [01:59] or is that just for universe-stuff? [02:05] uniq: things that don't have -ubuntu in the version will [02:05] amarok have ubuntu in the version [02:07] I can make a package of 1.2.4.. [02:07] so it'll have to be done manually [02:07] but now.. sleep. [02:07] please do [02:07] gnite. [02:07] sleep tight [02:15] I can't work out how to close a beastie in malone [02:22] his WLAN greets :) === hunger [~hunger@p54A643BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:56] Everything installed fine... all keybindings are broken though. [02:57] No Function keys, arrows, nothing:-( [02:57] ksysguard no longer displays cpu freq. [02:57] Lots of apps are still missing (ok, I knew that before the upgrade). [02:57] The rest seems fine. [02:59] can you use juk? [02:59] or does it crash on start? [02:59] Not installed. [03:00] ksysguard no longer displays cpu freq. << wfm [03:00] what about artsd? [03:01] KaiL: juk crashes on start. [03:02] artsd crashes... [03:02] and restarts and crashes and restarts and crashes... every 10sec or so ;:) [03:02] ... often .... [03:03] I renamed the binary to get it to shut up at least :) [03:06] killall -9 knotify did the trick for me. [03:06] OK, basically kde 3.4.1 is unusable:-( [03:07] KaiL: So much for the bug fixing in that release;-) [03:07] uhm, that's more gcc4 [03:07] Of course this is probably a gcc 4 issue... [03:07] Good night... [03:07] and the keys got killed by xorg, they where also missing before [03:08] is media:/ back at work? [03:08] KaiL I had all my keys working on and of before. [03:09] hmm [03:09] what didn't you update before? :) [03:09] KaiL: No icon pops up for my usb stick. [03:09] :( [03:09] ...also not fixed... [03:10] but afaik that's still not 3.4.1 final [03:10] Riddell: or? [03:10] what's the question? [03:11] the packages in breezy are still not 3.4.1 final? [03:11] KaiL: the usb stick is not recognized at all. [03:11] they are made with the final 3.4.1 sources [03:11] uh :( [03:11] so dbus not fixed... [03:11] dbus was a quick backport I did from head, I'll need to take a closer look at that [03:12] arts crashes may be due to it being compiled with visibility=hidden [03:12] could you try without? [03:12] it's a "bit" annoying [03:12] yes but it's 2 in the morning and I'm about to go to sleep [03:13] hunger: hmm, cdrom looks quite good [03:13] KaiL: media://cdrom works for me. [03:13] ...or not... [03:14] http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/ADMIN.diff patch for arts if you want to compile it yourself [03:14] apply then `make -f admin/Makefile.common dist` [03:14] Good night... need some sleep. [03:14] then `debuild` === KaiL needs sleep too :p [03:14] lets all sleep! [03:15] Wallets work again (for now). [03:16] how pessimistic :) === jeramy [~jeramy@dsl-131-96.aei.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_ [~hunger@p54A66132.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === zyga [~zyga@87-mia-9.acn.waw.pl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:53] hello [12:55] http://pastebin.com/291192 [12:56] multiple packages contain one file [12:56] I thought someone might be interested [01:06] knetworkconf updates some days ago to fix this [01:18] zyga: yep, fix is in ubunut hoary-updates [01:28] Riddell: thanks [01:29] Riddell: just curious, why not in hoary? (I dodn't have hoary-updats in sources.list) [01:30] zyga: because hoary is done and released, it doesn't change, hoary-updates has the updates [01:30] and hoary-security makes you safe [01:32] Riddell: I see, did I miss some package that added hoary-updates to sources.list or should this be done manually? [01:36] zyga: the fix is in kubuntu hoary-updates [01:37] Some fixes: deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main [01:39] uniq: how is kubunutu.org repository different from ubuntu.com's? [01:40] ubuntu has a very strict policy for fixes to a released distribution. [01:41] kubuntu.org is just a "unofficial" workarounds repo.. (could use a more unofficial domainname though).. [01:51] semi-official :) [01:54] uh [01:54] that's a deceptively official URL [01:54] and AFAIK kubuntu's update policy should match ubuntu's? === ubuntulog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Kubuntu 5.04 Released http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Fri Apr 8 09:50:53 2005 === KaiL [KaiL@p548F56B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:26] dinner.. bbl. === KaiL_ [KaiL@p548F629C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === motaboy [~motaboy@host88-41.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:05] amu: are you using java on your ibook? - i can't find any useable JRE.. [08:13] uniq: no === doko [~doko___@dsl-082-082-209-220.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:14] amu: kdenetwork? :)) [08:15] KaiL_: [08:17] I asked Riddell about that package yesterday (as it's more or less the last not with gcc4), he said, you had locked the package... [08:20] amu: ok.. thanks anyway :) [09:46] riddell: a new knetworkconf with the much more clean diff is at http://frode.kde.no/hoary-updates/ppc/knetworkconf/ -> breezy. [09:46] amarok doesn't build even with the diffs from cvs.