[12:21] <hunger_> Yahoo! As soon as I have all the updates downloaded all the bugs will have vanished! kde 3.4.1 is in the archives:-)
[12:21] <hunger_> Thanks guys for providing all the debs.
[12:23] <uniq> is breezy kde-safe yet?
[12:26] <hunger_> uniq: I doubt that breezy is safe;-)
[12:28] <uniq> kde-safe as in.. x and kdebase is installable? 
[12:28] <uniq> and starts.
[12:28] <hunger> uniq: I am trying that right now:-)
[12:28] <uniq> great.
[12:29] <uniq> think i'll wait with the upgrade on this machine.
[12:33] <hunger> uniq: apt-get install kdebase started and downloads lots of stuff, so the dependencies seem to be ok.
[12:34] <uniq> great.
[12:34] <uniq> i'm apt-get upgrading the other pc here.. 
[12:34] <uniq> with breezy.
[12:35] <uniq> dist-upgrade removes some vital packages (to me) yet.
[12:35] <hunger> kubuntu-desktop is not yet installable.
[12:35] <uniq> yet/still.
[12:35] <hunger> amarok?
[12:35] <uniq> among others.
[12:35] <KaiL> there's still enough missing: kdenetwork-stuff, amarok, k3b, kaffeine, konserve, gwenview, kynaptic
[12:36] <uniq> you can simply recompile them yourself.. though.
[12:38] <uniq> it is for most packages.
[12:39] <hunger> uniq: I helped to migrate a c++ project from gcc 2.95 to 3... I am not keen on repeating the experience (even though the current transistion is not that bad).
[12:40] <uniq> hehe.. understand :)
[12:41] <hunger> uniq: and of course I do not need yet another project to sidetrack me...
[12:42] <uniq> heh.. well.. if you need ex. k3b.. it's probably easier to compile it yourself.. than downgrading everything else :)
[12:43] <hunger> ... did not yet find the time to get started on that damn perl thingy.
[12:44] <uniq> bash rocks :)
[12:44] <hunger> uniq: zsh rocks even more;-)
[12:44] <uniq> i know.. i use zsh as my default shell.. 
[12:44] <uniq> but bash for scripts.
[12:45] <hunger> uniq: Nah... that is no fun... besides: you should aim for POSIX shells, not bash.
[12:45] <uniq> bash rocks.
[12:47] <uniq> don't think i'll need a posix shell in the nearest future.
[12:49] <hunger> uniq: I keep ending up on strange mashines with strange shells;-)
[12:49] <uniq> heh.. luckily i don't have that problem :)
[12:50] <uniq> maybe i'll get it.. if i ever install macosx on this machine.
[12:55] <hunger> Damn KDE... keeps forgetting my keybindings:-(
[01:09] <KaiL> hunger: can you at least get them back?
[01:09] <hunger> KaiL: They come and go...
[01:10] <KaiL> hunger: here the F-Keys are dead :(
[01:10] <KaiL> and some others too
[01:11] <KaiL> ...but only for these bindings, F1=help still works
[01:11] <KaiL> seams to be an Xorg problem....
[01:12] <uniq> riddell: #10035 should be fixed in hoary-updates now, right? 
[01:13] <KaiL> ...since centuries ;)
[01:13] <Riddell> uniq: certainly should
[01:13] <Riddell> KaiL: the fix for malitious removing of /etc/kderc only came through today
[01:14] <KaiL> and has an own bug #
[01:14] <KaiL> so we can call 10035 fixed with one of the knetworkconf updates
[01:14] <Riddell> I think I closed another bugzilla entry for that
[01:15] <Riddell> I should get these more organised :)
[01:15] <uniq> riddell: i closed this one.
[01:15] <Riddell> uniq: thanks
[01:16] <KaiL> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11082 << are there localisations for amarok somewhere on the world?
[01:18] <KaiL> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10877 should we call this fixed, or should dbus-qt-1 dependency realy reduced to the indirect one?
[01:20] <KaiL> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10805 this bug remembers me of Mozilla, there are all reports like this
[01:21] <Riddell> KaiL: not sure what's up with the amarok locales, someone needs to investigate that
[01:22] <Riddell> KaiL: 10877 is still waiting on a kubuntu-desktop update
[01:23] <Riddell> 10805 doesn't look kubuntu specific
[01:23] <Riddell> but he seems to just be seeing updatedb happening
[01:26] <Riddell> does knemo work for people?
[01:26] <Riddell> it doesn't do very much for me even when I add a network interface to it
[01:27] <uniq> works for me.
[01:27] <uniq> adds a little icon in the systray.. like in windows.
[01:27] <Riddell> but the little icon doesn't do anything
[01:27] <uniq> lets me add commands to the rightclick menu on the icon. and such.
[01:27] <KaiL> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10353 can somebody reproduce that?
[01:28] <uniq> i've added enable and disable.
[01:28] <uniq> that's all.
[01:28] <Riddell> uniq: how do you add commands?
[01:28] <Riddell> KaiL: I've heard various complaints about kuser crashing
[01:29] <uniq> riddell: right-click - configure - choose your interface - context menu
[01:29] <uniq> 'add new entry' on the right side of the box.
[01:31] <Riddell> ah, you have to turn the traffic plotter on
[01:31] <Riddell> don't see why it can't detect which interfaces you have
[01:32] <Riddell> you have turn on the tool tips as well, silly
[01:32] <Riddell> and it doesn't flash when there's traffic
[01:33] <uniq> mine flashes when it's traffic.
[01:33] <uniq> the two monitors icon.
[01:34] <Riddell> KaiL: yep, kuser crashes
[01:34] <uniq> kail: I can reproduce the kuser crash too.
[01:34] <KaiL> on hoary? doesn't do in breezy...
[01:34] <Riddell> ah, a quick fix then :)
[01:34] <uniq> i'm on hoary @ ppc.. i can check on breezy @ amd64 too.
[01:36] <Riddell> uniq: I found the context menu bit, but how do I set the entries to do something?
[01:36] <uniq> kuser isn't very enterprise.. it's actually very broken.
[01:36] <uniq> riddell: click on the command field.
[01:37] <KaiL> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9900 I guess, xmms-kde is universe? :)
[01:37] <uniq> it's har to find the correct spot :)
[01:37] <Riddell> ah
[01:37] <Riddell> yes, this thing could do with some improvements in user interface and default settings
[01:37] <uniq> indeed.
[01:37] <Riddell> KaiL: it is
[01:39] <Riddell> and there are other media control panel applets
[01:39] <uniq> kuser is dangerous.. 
[01:39] <KaiL> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9837 something for the settings :)
[01:40] <Riddell> I want to replace kuser with guideance
[01:40] <uniq> tried to add a user to another group.. and kuser changed all other settings for the user.. uid set to 0, shell set to nothing, home gone etc.
[01:40] <Riddell> KaiL: I'm open to persuation on that one
[01:40] <uniq> now, if i try to remove this user with uid 0.. root will dissapear.
[01:41] <Riddell> uniq: the fact that it uses icons from Windows suggests something to me
[01:41] <uniq> hehe :)
[01:51] <Riddell> chances are it just need syncing with debian
[01:55] <KaiL> hmm, we are producing a bit bugzilla spam? :)
[01:56] <KaiL> uniq: frode@lnix.net is you?
[01:56] <uniq> riddell: you're right..
[01:56] <uniq> kail: yes.
[01:59] <uniq> riddell: will things in main get synced from debian automatically? 
[01:59] <uniq> or is that just for universe-stuff? 
[02:05] <Riddell> uniq: things that don't have -ubuntu in the version will
[02:05] <uniq> amarok have ubuntu in the version
[02:07] <uniq> I can make a package of 1.2.4.. 
[02:07] <Riddell> so it'll have to be done manually
[02:07] <uniq> but now.. sleep.
[02:07] <Riddell> please do
[02:07] <uniq> gnite.
[02:07] <Riddell> sleep tight
[02:15] <Riddell> I can't work out how to close a beastie in malone
[02:22] <KaiL> his WLAN greets :)
[02:56] <hunger> Everything installed fine... all keybindings are broken though.
[02:57] <hunger> No Function keys, arrows, nothing:-(
[02:57] <hunger> ksysguard no longer displays cpu freq.
[02:57] <hunger> Lots of apps are still missing (ok, I knew that before the upgrade).
[02:57] <hunger> The rest seems fine.
[02:59] <KaiL> can you use juk?
[02:59] <KaiL> or does it crash on start?
[02:59] <hunger> Not installed.
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[03:00] <KaiL> what about artsd?
[03:01] <hunger> KaiL: juk crashes on start.
[03:02] <hunger> artsd crashes...
[03:02] <KaiL> and restarts and crashes and restarts and crashes... every 10sec or so ;:)
[03:02] <hunger> ... often ....
[03:03] <KaiL> I renamed the binary to get it to shut up at least :)
[03:06] <hunger> killall -9 knotify did the trick for me.
[03:06] <hunger> OK, basically kde 3.4.1 is unusable:-(
[03:07] <hunger> KaiL: So much for the bug fixing in that release;-)
[03:07] <KaiL> uhm, that's more gcc4
[03:07] <hunger> Of course this is probably a gcc 4 issue...
[03:07] <hunger> Good night...
[03:07] <KaiL> and the keys got killed by xorg, they where also missing before
[03:08] <KaiL> is media:/ back at work?
[03:08] <hunger> KaiL I had all my keys working on and of before.
[03:09] <KaiL> hmm
[03:09] <KaiL> what didn't you update before? :)
[03:09] <hunger> KaiL: No icon pops up for my usb stick.
[03:09] <KaiL> :(
[03:09] <KaiL> ...also not fixed...
[03:10] <KaiL> but afaik that's still not 3.4.1 final
[03:10] <KaiL> Riddell: or?
[03:10] <Riddell> what's the question?
[03:11] <KaiL> the packages in breezy are still not 3.4.1 final?
[03:11] <hunger> KaiL: the usb stick is not recognized at all.
[03:11] <Riddell> they are made with the final 3.4.1 sources
[03:11] <KaiL> uh :(
[03:11] <KaiL> so dbus not fixed...
[03:11] <Riddell> dbus was a quick backport I did from head, I'll need to take a closer look at that
[03:12] <Riddell> arts crashes may be due to it being compiled with visibility=hidden
[03:12] <KaiL> could you try without?
[03:12] <KaiL> it's a "bit" annoying
[03:12] <Riddell> yes but it's 2 in the morning and I'm about to go to sleep
[03:13] <KaiL> hunger: hmm, cdrom looks quite good
[03:13] <hunger> KaiL: media://cdrom works for me.
[03:13] <KaiL> ...or not...
[03:14] <Riddell> http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/ADMIN.diff  patch for arts if you want to compile it yourself
[03:14] <Riddell> apply then  `make -f admin/Makefile.common dist`
[03:14] <hunger> Good night... need some sleep.
[03:14] <Riddell> then `debuild`
[03:14] <Riddell> lets all sleep! 
[03:15] <hunger> Wallets work again (for now).
[03:16] <Riddell> how pessimistic :)
[12:53] <zyga> hello
[12:55] <zyga> http://pastebin.com/291192
[12:56] <zyga> multiple packages contain one file
[12:56] <zyga> I thought someone might be interested
[01:06] <KaiL> knetworkconf updates some days ago to fix this
[01:18] <Riddell> zyga: yep, fix is in ubunut hoary-updates
[01:28] <zyga> Riddell: thanks
[01:29] <zyga> Riddell: just curious, why not in hoary? (I dodn't have hoary-updats in sources.list)
[01:30] <Riddell> zyga: because hoary is done and released, it doesn't change, hoary-updates has the updates
[01:30] <Riddell> and hoary-security makes you safe
[01:32] <zyga> Riddell: I see, did I miss some package that added hoary-updates to sources.list or should this be done manually?
[01:36] <uniq> zyga: the fix is in kubuntu hoary-updates
[01:37] <uniq> Some fixes: deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main 
[01:39] <zyga> uniq: how is kubunutu.org repository different from ubuntu.com's?
[01:40] <uniq> ubuntu has a very strict policy for fixes to a released distribution.
[01:41] <uniq> kubuntu.org is just a "unofficial" workarounds repo.. (could use a more unofficial domainname though)..
[01:51] <Riddell> semi-official :)
[01:54] <elmo> uh
[01:54] <elmo> that's a deceptively official URL
[01:54] <elmo> and AFAIK kubuntu's update policy should match ubuntu's?
[04:26] <uniq> dinner.. bbl.
[07:05] <uniq> amu: are you using java on your ibook? - i can't find any useable JRE.. 
[08:13] <amu> uniq: no 
[08:14] <KaiL_> amu: kdenetwork? :))
[08:15] <amu> KaiL_: <parse_error> 
[08:17] <KaiL_> I asked Riddell about that package yesterday (as it's more or less the last not with gcc4), he said, you had locked the package...
[08:20] <uniq> amu: ok.. thanks anyway :)
[09:46] <uniq> riddell: a new knetworkconf with the much more clean diff is at http://frode.kde.no/hoary-updates/ppc/knetworkconf/ -> breezy.
[09:46] <uniq> amarok doesn't build even with the diffs from cvs.