[12:04] <philipacamaniac> uniq: my sudoers file: http://www.philipandjenny.com/wp-content/sudoers.txt
[12:05] <philipacamaniac> seems to have fixed KControl Admin Mode bug: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8681
[12:06] <uniq> philipacamaniac: what if you remove the last line.. and keep the #fix.. line.
[12:06] <uniq> does it still work? 
[12:07] <philipacamaniac> the #fix line is just a comment I made to myself in case I needed to change something
[12:07] <uniq> i know.
[12:07] <philipacamaniac> oic
[12:07] <philipacamaniac> Let me try...
[12:09] <philipacamaniac> Now it sticks on the "Loading..." screen after pressing Administrator Mode
[12:09] <uniq> hmm.. very strange.
[12:09] <philipacamaniac> i know
[12:10] <nate__> i went back to ubuntu, kubuntu just seemed too buggy to me.  it has great potential though, i'm excited to see where it goes
[12:11] <osh> nate__: I actually agree with you but I just can't stand gnome. I'm sticking with kubuntu. It's the best distro I've found.
[12:12] <nate__> osh, i agree that the ubuntu core is the best distro i've ever found, but i can't stand bugginess.  Even though gnome isn't as pretty, i value function over form
[12:12] <nate__> kde is so much prettier
[12:12] <osh> There's a bugzilla.kubuntu.org somewhere where I can file bugs I assume so I'll do that "real soon now(tm)".
[12:13] <nate__> unless you use the macOSX theme for gnome, then gnome isn't nearly as ugly
[12:14] <uniq> osh: you file bugs for kubuntu on the ubuntu bugzilla.
[12:15] <osh> I don't think gnome is ugly. I just feel "trapped" when running it. A matter of preference I think.
[12:15] <osh> uniq: Ok. Thanks for the info.
[12:16] <yorick> hi
[12:16] <philipacamaniac> uniq: Well, great... I reverted back to my previous sudoers file (with system_username), and now I'm not asked for a password... but admin mode works.
[12:16] <_ali> hello there
[12:17] <uniq> philipacamaniac: just wait a while and try again.. sudo has this time-limit thing.
[12:18] <philipacamaniac> That's right. I've got to go, but I'm going to try this on my home machine later tonight. I'll post results at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=189606
[12:18] <osh> philipacamaniac: or do a sudo -k which will kill the timer. It's -k or -K. Sligtly different but does basically the same thing.
[12:18] <philipacamaniac> I'll try that real quick
[12:19] <philipacamaniac> No change... I can access all admin functions in KControl without a password... whoops
[12:20] <philipacamaniac> However, opening another app (kynaptic) does ask for the kdesu password
[12:20] <osh> what does the sudoers file look like? Can you pastebin it? I've been parsing a lot of those at work lately.
[12:20] <philipacamaniac> http://www.philipandjenny.com/wp-content/sudoers.txt
[12:21] <philipacamaniac> I have to go, but I'll be on later, and I'll post results to that forums thread
[12:21] <philipacamaniac> see ya
[12:21] <osh> try a sudo -K
[12:22] <osh> not much info in that sudoers file.
[12:22] <philipacamaniac> its the default
[12:22] <philipacamaniac> minus the new line
[12:23] <osh> And it doesn't reveal anything about kcontrol.
[12:23] <osh> Go and do your stuff. I'll be here tomorrow too I think. If you haven't solved it by then.
[12:23] <philipacamaniac> thanks..adios
[12:30] <Morandir> anyone around?
[12:30] <iepa> is me here
[12:30] <iepa> but I think I can't help you
[12:30] <iepa> I'm Ubuntu user, not KUbuntu User
[12:31] <Morandir> bummer
[12:31] <uniq> i'm here.
[12:31] <Morandir> shouldnt matter too much what platform
[12:31] <osh> so am i
[12:31] <Morandir> any way
[12:31] <Morandir> I set up my forward and back mouse buttons...
[12:31] <Morandir> got it working
[12:31] <Morandir> then got fglrx driver for my video
[12:31] <Morandir> and my mouse went back to retardation mode
[12:32] <Morandir> I've tried everything on the forums...
[12:32] <uniq> you ran fglrxconfig or something? :)
[12:32] <Morandir> dont that
[12:32] <Morandir> then redid the mouse process
[12:32] <uniq> ok.. 
[12:32] <Morandir> all the imwheel/xmodmap/.imwheelrc files are right
[12:32] <Razor-X> what is the KDE default theme on install?
[12:33] <Morandir> imwheel runs on startup but is retarded, but if I killall imwheel and then run it again.... IT WORKS! >_<
[12:33] <Morandir> so Im at a loss
[12:34] <Morandir> any suggestions anyone?
[12:35] <Razor-X> is this in a game, or something?
[12:35] <Morandir> no
[12:35] <Morandir> this is everywhere
[12:35] <Razor-X> uggghhh, after running apt-get upgrade, my stupid KDE style relapsed
[12:35] <Razor-X> a forward and back mouse button?
[12:35] <Morandir> yep
[12:35] <Razor-X> do you have a special mouse, or something?
[12:36] <Razor-X> (bear with me, my memory with mice is foggy, as I don't use one)
[12:36] <Morandir> just an explorerPS/2
[12:36] <Razor-X> can you do me a favor?
[12:37] <Razor-X> can you tell me the stuff in your KDE theme? or is it nonstandard?
[12:37] <Razor-X> errr, nevermind, I'll get a new one anyways
[12:37] <Razor-X> an intellimouse?
[12:38] <Morandir> just hit the default button in control center theme manager
[12:38] <Razor-X> "Explorer" is a pretty generic Microsoft mouse name, as I can gather
[12:38] <Morandir> intellimouse yes
[12:38] <Razor-X> Morandir: I don't think it'll work, but i'll see
[12:38] <Morandir> it looks like its "KDE-Classic"
[12:39] <KaiL> Morandir: breezy?
[12:39] <Morandir> kubuntu
[12:39] <Morandir> 2.6.10-5-386
[12:39] <Razor-X> well, i'll just get another theme anyways...
[12:40] <KaiL> Morandir: that's only the kernel version ;)
[12:40] <Razor-X> so, does this mouse have any special buttons, or such?
[12:40] <Razor-X> or just the standrd 2?
[12:40] <KaiL> Razor-X: you try to get a 5button mouse to work?
[12:40] <Morandir> left, right, middle, wheel (up and down) and forward and back
[12:40] <Morandir> exactly 5 button wheel mouse
[12:41] <Morandir> and I had it working
[12:41] <Morandir> and if I kill imwheel and restart it, it works
[12:41] <KaiL> ..but?
[12:41] <Morandir> but it doesnt work on startup
[12:42] <Morandir> and its really annoying to have to kill/run an ap every time kde loads
[12:42] <Razor-X> maybe, you want to create a startup script that kills imwheel and restarts it
[12:42] <Morandir> thats what Im considering
[12:42] <Razor-X> I know my trackball works superb in USB
[12:42] <KaiL> it should be started after kde starts
[12:42] <KaiL> for example from a script in ~/.kde/Autostart :)
[12:43] <Morandir> just make an imwheel.sh in that folder then?
[12:43] <Morandir> boy that seems lame, but I guess
[12:44] <KaiL> and make it executable
[12:44] <Morandir> and that is done how?
[12:44] <Morandir> chmod 777?
[12:44] <Morandir> or something else?
[12:44] <KaiL> chmod a+x
[12:45] <Morandir> is there any gui to mod the start up apps? b/c I'd like to add some apps on startup...
[12:46] <Kite-> anyone know what i have to apt-get to instally pygtk/pygtk2?
[12:46] <Kite-> *install
[12:47] <Morandir> kite: did you update apt-get?
[12:47] <Kite-> yeah
[12:47] <Morandir> 2nd: might need to add repositories
[12:48] <Kite-> tried that, from the unofficial ubuntu guide
[12:48] <Morandir> check you /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:48] <Morandir> hrmmm
[12:48] <Morandir> then I dont know
[12:48] <Kite-> is there a good place that has a list of apt-get stuff?
[12:48] <KaiL> apt-get.org? :)
[12:49] <osh> kite: apt-cache search pygtk?
[12:50] <Kite-> WINNAR
[12:50] <Kite-> thank you
[12:51] <osh> winnar?
[12:51] <Kite-> winner
[12:51] <Kite-> i found it with that
[12:51] <osh> you found pygtk?
[12:52] <Kite-> yeah, its python-gtk2
[12:52] <osh> ahh, good. 
[12:53] <osh> there's a text-based frontent for apt called aptitude. perhaps try that? with aptitude you can do all the searching and installing and stuff. really neat.
[12:54] <Kite-> cool, ill check it out
[12:55] <dnakata> the trick, you see, is to retain an otherwise rigid body while bootyshaking.
[12:55] <dnakata> lean forward slightly, fists together and arms extended halfway
[12:55] <dnakata> and swing your rump!
[12:56] <gdh> I see.
[12:56] <gdh> <making notes>
[12:56] <dnakata> try to make a W shape with it.  once mastered, you may safely attempt the (highly difficult) M motion
[12:57] <dnakata> if you are new to the art of bootyshaking, you may opt to start with a simple U shape
[12:57] <Razor-X> back
[12:57] <Morandir> anyone know the location of kmix executeable?
[12:57] <dnakata> kdemultimedia, still
[12:57] <dnakata> oh
[12:57] <osh> Morandir: locate kmix
[12:57] <dnakata> which kmix
[12:57] <dnakata> /usr/bin/kmix
[12:58] <Morandir> yep that
[12:59] <Morandir> th
[12:59] <Morandir> x
[12:59] <dnakata> +an -x +ks
[12:59] <dnakata> t h a n k s
[12:59] <Morandir> no no no
[12:59] <dnakata> yes
[12:59] <dnakata> when expressing gratitude, being lazy suggests a lack of gratitude
[12:59] <dnakata> a negation of the demonstration entirely
[01:00] <Razor-X> how can I go back to using the KDE theme that came with Kubuntu
[01:00] <Razor-X> after running an apt-get install... it seems to have lost the theme
[01:00] <dnakata> rm ~/.kde :D
[01:00] <dnakata> but your settings are entirely reset
[01:00] <dnakata> (for everything)
[01:00] <Razor-X> errm... *cough* maybe I shoulda thought a bit harder...
[01:00] <Morandir> but when you have your internet text script activated that takes all words such as t h a n k s and dynamically switches them to thx there isnt much you can do
[01:01] <Razor-X> any other way without removing all settings?
[01:01] <osh> Razor-X: mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-old   ?
[01:02] <Razor-X> I was thinking of doing that, to preserve my old settings... but...
[01:02] <Razor-X> any other other way...?
[01:02] <osh> Razor-X: should be easy enough to put back if the new settings doesn't do anything for you.
[01:07] <Razor-X> nothing happened
[01:07] <Razor-X> can anyone export the default KDE settings? or must I hunt for a new theme?
[01:08] <Curalton> Razor-X: you have to restart kde for that, it still uses the settings and probably rewrites them partially
[01:08] <Razor-X> I did
[01:08] <Razor-X> because, I realize that
[01:08] <Razor-X> *realized
[01:19] <chx> hi. I need a simple app so I can say: here is this MP3 , cut off the first 300 seconds and give me the rest. CLI would be best...
[01:20] <mpathy_> Hi.. I've got a problem with Kubuntu.. What happens just before hotplug starts at the boot sequence?
[01:20] <mpathy_> I mean, after, sorry.. Because it hangs there
[01:20] <Razor-X> chx: unfortunately, in my experience, no CLI tool like that exists
[01:20] <gdh> chx: if it's a constant bitrate, you can just use 'dd' to chop off the first N bytes :)
[01:20] <Razor-X> but, you can use Audacity, an audio editor
[01:21] <Razor-X> oh, you can?
[01:21] <Razor-X> o_O
[01:21] <chx> gdh: alas not
[01:21] <gdh> no? Ah well :)
[01:21] <chx> Audacity... hm I am just a very stupid lame user. OK stop this idiocy, I am using Linux since 0.99pl15 sure I can tackle Audacity :)
[01:22] <osh> mpathy_: Have a look in /etc/rcX.d/ where X=[2,3,5] . Find hotplug there and you'll see what starts right before it.
[01:22] <mpathy_> somebody can help me? is there somewhere a list who shows what happens before and after hotplug on boot?
[01:22] <Razor-X> chx: heh, it's nothing difficult ;)
[01:22] <mpathy_> osh: thx
[01:22] <chx> Hmmm tryin' Audacity
[01:23] <osh> mpathy_: It sais somethign like S44hotplug. S=start and 44 is the order. it starts from 1 and goes up to 99 i think.
[01:24] <chx> it was Rosegarden I have tried before  and run away screaming...
[01:24] <mpathy_> osh: but you dont know any known problems that it hangs up? I removed PCIEHP or something like this, because this was a error who was showed..
[01:32] <osh> mpathy_: PCMCIA?
[01:33] <osh> mpathy_: generally I wouldn't suggest just removing things that gives you an error... ;-)
[01:34] <gdh> everyone gets errors from those PCI hotplug drivers
[01:34] <gdh> I doubt too many Kubuntu users run a hot-plug PCI server
[01:36] <Kite-> is there any trick to getting a wireless laptop on to a linksys network?
[01:36] <chx> Yes, Audacity was simple. Thanks. For the archives: Rosegarden is not simple :)
[01:37] <chx> night all! and thanks.
[01:49] <paxmaster> how could i use debian brinary by using apt-get 
[01:49] <paxmaster> by using the t option i think
[01:53] <mpathy_> osh: I checked it, right now it gives me now errors.. Mostly because it probably hangs up before outputting the error :)
[02:10] <andre> Hi. I have a keyboard with special keys (multimedia keys, etc). This keys does not have a keycode when i use xev. Is there a way to configure them
[02:22] <Curalton> andre: try showkey from a console (not withing X) to see if the keys are noticed at all
[02:29] <andre> Curalton: I tried. But they are not noticed
[02:30] <Curalton> then it might be a hardwareproblem
[02:30] <Curalton> most keyboards work fine though, strnage
[02:30] <Curalton> strnage*
[02:31] <andre> Curalton: I have a friend with the same keyboard and with the same problem (he tried xeve, not showkey, AFAIK)
[02:38] <Morandir> anyone know off the top of their head how to get cedega to go to window mode (for warcraft3)?
[02:50] <dnakata> you mean how to get warcraft3 to go windowed mode
[02:50] <dnakata> why don't you check on the warcraft3 website
[02:56] <Morandir> hrmmm
[02:59] <Curalton> andre: what kb is it? logitechs should work fine
[03:00] <Morandir> ugh... is there an apt-get for a macromedia flash player equivalent?
[03:01] <Curalton> debian hat flashplugin-nonfree in contrib/ maybe it's somewhere in the ubuntu multiverse
[03:01] <KaiL> jup, is
[03:02] <Morandir> hrmm
[03:03] <Morandir> apt-get install debian hat flashplugin-nonfree NOR apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[03:03] <Morandir> worked
[03:03] <Curalton> s,hat,has,
[03:06] <Morandir> ?
[03:10] <Morandir> Curalton,KaiL: what do I ask apt-get to get for me?
[03:10] <Curalton> erm, KaiL explain :)
[03:11] <Curalton> apt get will only get what is in the currently used repositories
[03:11] <Curalton> and the currents dont seem to have flashplayer
[03:11] <Morandir> I have ubuntu universe added to source.llist
[03:11] <Morandir> ahh
[03:11] <N17R0> u wanna have flash player? 
[03:12] <Morandir> what was kail talking about then (jup, is)?
[03:12] <Morandir> n17R0:yes
[03:12] <N17R0> download from website
[03:12] <Morandir> cant check strong bad without it
[03:12] <N17R0> its not in apt-get
[03:12] <N17R0> i installed it yesterday, it went smoothly
[03:13] <Morandir> untar it where?
[03:13] <Morandir> root?
[03:13] <N17R0> i untar it to /tmp
[03:13] <N17R0> then ./install
[03:13] <reagleBRKLN> i can't install juk
[03:13] <reagleBRKLN> it needs libtunepimp-bin which fils
[03:13] <reagleBRKLN> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libt/libtunepimp/libtunepimp-bin_0.3.0-2ubuntu5_i386.deb  Size mismatch
[03:14] <reagleBRKLN> how do i fix that?
[03:14] <N17R0> hmm juk comes already with kubuntu 
[03:16] <Curalton> reagleBRKLN: try downloading again. the error means the file had a different size than expected
[03:17] <reagleBRKLN> N17R0, yes, but i had uninstalled it at some piont trying to get a working libtunepimp-bin
[03:17] <reagleBRKLN> Curalton, what do you mean try downloading it again? I assure you, it no working.
[03:18] <reagleBRKLN> N17R0: e.g., apt-build --reinstall install libtunepimp2
[03:18] <N17R0> hmm maybe just do: $ sudo apt-get install juk
[03:18] <N17R0> ?
[03:18] <reagleBRKLN> no, it complains about pimp
[03:18] <reagleBRKLN> juk needs it as dep
[03:18] <N17R0> hmm then i dunno
[03:18] <Morandir> got it
[03:18] <Morandir> thx N17R0
[03:18] <N17R0> np ;)
[03:19] <Morandir> dnakata:Blizzard nor w3 itself had any command to go to window mode
[03:21] <Curalton> reagleBRKLN: try apt-get update to refresh the local cache.
[03:21] <Morandir> ahh well.... most is well in the world now at least
[03:21] <reagleBRKLN> did that.
[03:21] <reagleBRKLN> i found an old deb and dpkg installed it
[03:22] <reagleBRKLN> wish i could find one (`trm`) that worked with mp3s
[03:22] <andre> Curalton: My kd is a IBm Enhanced Performance USB keyboard. Do you know something about it?
[03:25] <Curalton> andre: sorry, no idea. 
[03:39] <N17R0> w00t i just compiled my first prog on linux :D
[03:50] <andre> Curalton: ok, thank you for tour help, anyway
[04:34] <nuopus> Does anyone know how to recursively remove ubuntu-desktop?
[04:34] <nuopus> Want to get rid of all gnome software on one machine
[04:37] <Curalton> something along "sudo apt-get --purge remove <insert gnome packages here>"
[04:37] <Curalton> tricky part would be to find out what the packages are
[04:38] <marcelo> Guys, please help! I don't understand the way my cdrom is "mounted".
[04:40] <marcelo> when I try opening what is theoretically my cdrom device (media:/hdd/) I get a "malformed URL" message.
[04:40] <marcelo> I don't even know where to start.
[05:24] <Morandir> yep...
[05:24] <Morandir> I should just move in here
[05:26] <Morandir> Im looking to install ABC Bittorrent for linux and its all python files.. I apt-get for wxPython, but I have no idea how to install/build it.  Ive tried Python abc.py like the forums say... Any suggestions?
[08:22] <siblur> Yeah! got it working :)
[08:24] <siblur> for you, what's your reasons why you use kubuntu over ubuntu?
[08:32] <\sh> siblur: I'm using ubuntu with kubuntu ;)
[08:33] <\sh> siblur: at least only the desktop enviroment is the difference. the basement is the same.
[08:33] <siblur> yes, i know. Do you see more bugs in your kubuntu in ubuntu ? ;)
[08:34] <\sh> siblur: no
[08:34] <NothingButYou> I'm using kubuntu because I don't have to DLoad KDE after installation...
[08:34] <siblur> what do like in kde that you cant find in gnome?
[08:35] <NothingButYou> Konqueror, amarok, k3b, kaffeine and others...
[08:36] <siblur> and are you missing something from gnome?
[08:38] <NothingButYou> no
[08:38] <NothingButYou> inkscape works, GIMP too
[08:38] <NothingButYou> :}
[08:38] <NothingButYou> KDE is fast for me.. what should I miss.. :)
[08:39] <x2peistu> could anyone tell me how can i get some games for my kubuntu?
[08:40] <x2peistu> ????
[08:41] <siblur> :) I run linux like 4 years ago and all the X things changed so much! and after test gnome and kde.. as like 4 years ago, kde is my best :P
[08:42] <ikypakis> ok
[08:42] <siblur> the GUI is much more confortable
[08:42] <ikypakis> =}}}
[08:54] <Tezkah> ewww colours
[09:42] <Tezkah> the only comfortable GUI is afterstep
[09:42] <Tezkah> this is truth
[09:46] <mrmanic> by "truth" you mean "my opinion", yes?
[09:49] <shogouki> or "false"
[09:54] <Tezkah> hehe
[10:00] <x2peistu> could anyone help me with the installation of dc++
[10:00] <x2peistu> ????????
[10:00] <x2peistu> pls
[10:01] <Tezkah> x2peistu: do you want it for KDE, or GNOME?
[10:01] <x2peistu> kde
[10:01] <Tezkah> sudo apt-get install dcgui-qt
[10:16] <runelind> why does guarddog require the kubuntu installer CD?
[10:56] <_Church_Of_Foame> whats the command to delete files?
[11:07] <Gubbins> kj
[11:07] <Gubbins> urr..sorry, nevermind
[11:08] <Tm_T> _Church_Of_Foame: eh?
[11:11] <VyRuZ> anyone know of any sfv verificatyion software for kubuntu ??
[11:16] <Gubbins> What package from the repository has "dialog" in it (text-based graphics)
[11:16] <Gubbins> I thought it would have come with bash
[11:21] <Gubbins> popguns
[11:38] <x2peistu> is anyone who could help me with instalation of DC++
[11:38] <x2peistu> pls
[11:38] <x2peistu> private me
[11:39] <Tm_T> ...
[11:40] <x2peistu> could anyone help me...........????????
[11:40] <x2peistu> pls
[11:40] <x2peistu> i don t know how to install DC++ on kubuntu
[11:41] <x2peistu> help 
[11:41] <x2peistu> pls
[11:45] <shogouki> "how to no obtain an answer on irc, first lesson"
[11:45] <Tm_T> yup =)
[12:09] <SixOfThirteen> hey, if i dist-upgrade my hoary to breezy am i likely to hose my system?
[12:15] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> hi
[12:17] <Tm_T> SixOfThirteen: well, breezy is broken, as usually
[12:20] <SixOfThirteen> fair enough, i was hoping to get a kopete update with the msn-ssl thing fixed
[12:21] <Tm_T> topic? ;)
[12:21] <Tm_T> and first part of it
[12:25] <SixOfThirteen> are you implying kopete is now fixed? i don't see anything in the changelogs
[12:25] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> is there a channel ppc ?
[12:27] <Tm_T> SixOfThirteen: I don't know, but I think there's fix
[12:28] <SixOfThirteen> yeah, it works, cool :)
[12:28] <Tm_T> ok
[12:28] <Mez> is there a way to get the tabs somewhere other than the bottom in konversation?
[12:28] <Tm_T> don't use konvi, use irssi ;)
[12:29] <SixOfThirteen> use kopete :P
[12:29] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> xchat
[12:29] <shogouki> use the force
[12:29] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> ^^
[12:29] <Tm_T> yuk
[12:29] <Tm_T> feel the force
[12:29] <Mez> kopete for IRC?
[12:29] <Mez> I dunno
[12:29] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> guys why $exec locale
[12:29] <sdogi> how can i get past of that error what comes when upgrading
[12:29] <Mez> I like like XChat... but konversation ahs grwn on me
[12:30] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> do my konsole crashes
[12:30] <sdogi> kdelibs-data is trying to overwrite file inknetworkconf
[12:30] <Tm_T> sdogi: specify error
[12:30] <Tm_T> ah
[12:30] <sdogi> i thought about using --force-yes with apt-get but not sure
[12:30] <Tm_T> sdogi: topic ;)
[12:30] <SixOfThirteen> i'm using kopete for irc right now... it's fine
[12:30] <sdogi> oh
[12:31] <Tm_T> SixOfThirteen: gui...
[12:31] <sdogi> cool, thanks i'll check it out
[12:31] <Tm_T> =)
[12:31] <sdogi> didn't know there is kubuntu.org already :)
[12:32] <SixOfThirteen> Tm_T: yes, kde... hence kubuntu... not console-ubuntu :P
[12:32] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> lol
[12:32] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> toutpt@ToutPTppc:~$ whereis exec
[12:32] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> exec:
[12:32] <Tm_T> sdogi: add "deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main" into your sources.list
[12:32] <Tm_T> SixOfThirteen: hey, I don't need gui to irc ;)
[12:32] <sdogi> oh
[12:32] <Tm_T> SixOfThirteen: http://xob.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo_037.png
[12:33] <mikl> 153 packages held back - new personal record :)
[12:33] <Tm_T> haha
[12:33] <Tm_T> mikl: breezy?
[12:33] <mikl> Tm_T: yup :)
[12:33] <Tm_T> I knew it!
[12:33] <Tm_T> =)
[12:33] <Tm_T> you must love it
[12:34] <SixOfThirteen> cya round like a froot loop
[12:35] <mikl> Tm_T: It'll prolly be plenty fun when they get a few things sorted out - but until then ;)
[12:35] <Tm_T> haha
[12:35] <Tm_T> "a few" ;p
[12:38] <sdogi> so this hoary(releasename)-updates is going to be a part of the kubuntu from now on?
[12:39] <mikl> well, I guess we could also say that system breakage occurs frequently :)
[12:39] <sdogi> eh?
[12:39] <VyRuZ> is there a sfv verification program for kubuntu ??
[12:52] <jazwec> hi..please..cuold anybody help me with installing mozilla firefox
[12:53] <Tm_T> apt-get install mozilla-firefox ?
[12:56] <jazwec> package mozilla firefox is not available..bla bla bla..package mozilla-firefox has no installation candidate
[12:59] <VyRuZ> jazwec same here
[12:59] <VyRuZ> please someone help
[01:16] <Firetech> jazwec: it's apparently named only firefox now...
[01:16] <Firetech> so apt-get install firefox
[01:16] <shogouki> cause of the mozilla branding guidelines
[01:17] <Firetech> that seems a bit silly...
[01:17] <jazwec> oh thx
[01:18] <jazwec> couldnt find package firefox
[01:18] <shogouki> apt-cache search firefox
[01:20] <jazwec> still couldnt find package firefox
[01:22] <jazwec> oh it works
[01:22] <jazwec> thx
[01:26] <jazwec> when i start it..it writes: the file /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html cannot be found
[01:28] <jazwec> oh probably i solved it
[01:31] <Roman2K> Hi :)
[01:34] <Roman2K> I had installed Ubuntu and then the package "kubuntu-desktop" and choosed kdm as login manager. But now when I start the PC, there is KDM as login as login manager but then gnome starts and not KDE. How must I do to make KDE start instead of Gnome, please ?
[01:39] <KaiL> the icon in the bottom left corner
[01:39] <Roman2K> wallet ?
[01:40] <KaiL> in kdm
[01:40] <KaiL> session type or so
[01:40] <Roman2K> ok i'm going to see thank you
[04:08] <tron_> test
[04:49] <tango_> hi all
[04:49] <Tm_T> hullo
[04:50] <tango_> does pmount only work with removable media?
[04:50] <Tm_T> hmm
[04:50] <Tm_T> pmount?
[04:50] <tango_> yes
[04:50] <Tm_T> pmount - mount arbitrary hotpluggable devices as normal user
[04:50] <tango_> ok, the question should rather be put this way:
[04:50] <tango_> yes
[04:50] <tango_> the man says
[04:51] <Tm_T> yup
[04:51] <tango_> only removable device
[04:51] <tango_> so the question is rather: is there a way to make it work with the hard disks?
[04:51] <Tm_T> so use normal mount for HD
[04:51] <tango_> I was looking for a way to make it work without fstab entries
[04:51] <Tm_T> heh
[04:51] <tango_> which is almost a necessity for live systems
[04:51] <Tm_T> so mount with sudo
[04:51] <tango_> plus, I wanted a way to make it work automagically
[04:52] <Tm_T> ah!
[04:52] <tango_> so as to aid the casual nonsavvy user
[04:52] <tango_> (e.g. my father)
[04:52] <Tm_T> I dunno
[04:53] <tango_> what I was wondering is
[04:53] <tango_> are there technical reason for pmount to only work with removable media?
[05:19] <lord_crow> hi everyone
[05:20] <lord_crow>  i've looking everywhere about this, with no results... does anyone knows how to make work a xerox workcentre PE16 in kubuntu hoary????
[05:20] <lord_crow> or where to find an answer...
[05:21] <rexykik> can anyone tell me how to get my usb harddrive to mount?
[05:22] <lord_crow> rexykik: i think mount -t filesystem /dev/sda1 (it's usually sda1, you can see /var/log/messages to check that) /mnt/mountpoint
[05:23] <lord_crow> rexykik: where -t filesystem is the filesistem of your disk, like vfat, reiserfs, ext3, etc
[05:56] <_jim> hi guys, i've just set up kubuntu for my dad
[05:56] <_jim> it works great but i'm having some trouble with the default route
[05:57] <_jim> i have to do /sbin/route add default gw 10.2.2.3 all the time
[05:57] <thoreauputic> _jim: pretty quiet in here atm - try #ubuntu
[05:57] <_jim> k, thanks
[06:02] <Tm_T> =)
[06:02] <osh> Annoying as hell.
[06:02] <Tm_T> what program you use?
[06:02] <osh> Tm_T: Kaffeine, in both dists.
[06:03] <Tm_T> yuk
[06:03] <Tm_T> have you tried oKle?
[06:03] <Tm_T> or mplayer/Kplayer
[06:04] <osh> For some reason it won't install mplayer for me. I'll remove kaffeine and see if I can install mplayer then.
[06:05] <Tm_T> eh, it has nothing to do with that
[06:05] <Tm_T> install Kplayer
[06:05] <mikl> kaffeine is rather buggy... :(
[06:05] <_jim> thoreauputic: thanks that worked :)(
[06:05] <Tm_T> no shit =)
[06:05] <thoreauputic> _jim: :)
[06:06] <thoreauputic> _jim: you're welcome
[06:06] <osh> It claims to have a dependancy on libavcodeccvs (>= 2:20050417-0.0) but sais that "It won't be installed".
[06:06] <thoreauputic> _jim: man interfaces for more info as you need it
[06:07] <thoreauputic> osh: I'm guessing you have nerim/marillat enabled?
[06:07] <osh> If I try to install libavcodeccvs it claims to be dependant on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 will be installed.
[06:07] <thoreauputic> osh: if so, comment it out and update, then try again
[06:07] <osh> thoreauputic: Yep.
[06:07] <thoreauputic> see above
[06:08] <thoreauputic> mplayer is now in multiverse and you are seeing conflicts
[06:08] <osh> thoreauputic: I'll try your solution. Thanks.
[06:08] <thoreauputic> osh: should work
[06:09] <thoreauputic> osh: you can kick me if it doesn't ;)
[06:09] <IIIEars> Good Morning :) - I need help setting the display resolution for Kubunut. i810 8245g Brookdale
[06:09] <mikl> I wish someone could make a multimedia-player for Linux that "Just Works"(tm)
[06:09] <thoreauputic> mikl: xine-ui with w32codecs "just works" here
[06:09] <pussfeller> they pretty much do
[06:09] <IIIEars> Should i enable DRI or use the framebuffer?
[06:10] <pussfeller> its actually easier to get a decent working player with all the codecs in a managed package system on linux than it is on windows
[06:10] <thoreauputic> pussfeller: agreed
[06:10] <IIIEars> Should GLXcore be enbled with glx?
[06:10] <pussfeller> browser/streams, well thats a bit hit and miss, but gettting better
[06:11] <Tm_T> osh: you can always compile it yourself
[06:11] <pussfeller> how do i kill this gam_server 
[06:12] <IIIEars> ps -e  grab the pid #   then kill pid  ?
[06:12] <mikl> pussfeller: sudo killall gam_server
[06:12] <pussfeller> nope it restarts
[06:12] <Tm_T> killkilldiedie
[06:12] <IIIEars> mikl - Can you help me with my display?
[06:13] <mikl> IIIEars: yes, probably :)
[06:13] <pussfeller> even killall -9 gam_server && umount /thing dont work
[06:13] <pussfeller> its fast on its feet
[06:13] <osh> Tm_T: I've removed marillat and now it seems to work. Atleast it's installing mplayer now...
[06:13] <IIIEars> I have onboard video (groan) i810 8245g brookdale.
[06:13] <osh> I'll let you know if it'll play my dvd soon.
[06:14] <_jim> heh... just installed kubuntu as dual boot on my parents computer....it was in XP and she sat down and was like....how do i get back to other one :P
[06:14] <pussfeller> anyone else had probs with kio thing that handles dvds and having to kill it
[06:14] <thoreauputic> osh: had a feeling it might work ;)
[06:14] <mikl> IIIEars: Is it just the resolution in X that needs tweaking or what?
[06:14] <IIIEars> Yes - 640x480
[06:14] <pussfeller> my mom starts screaming when I even mention linux
[06:15] <Choubaka> :D
[06:15] <mikl> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:15] <IIIEars> The chat window is HUGE - getting motion sickness as the words fly by. - lol
[06:15] <_jim> pussfeller: i didn't use the word linux at all....they asked me if there was anything i could do to stop spyware
[06:15] <mikl> IIIEars: have you tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:15] <_jim> i just told them i had another system they could try
[06:15] <_jim> if they liked it they could keep it
[06:15] <thoreauputic> _jim: good strategy :)
[06:15] <IIIEars> Yes - not familiar with the settings for this card.
[06:16] <_jim> they already use firefox and thunderbird under windows so it wasn't too hard
[06:16] <Tm_T> osh: whoa =)
[06:16] <_jim> their life hasn't changed much
[06:16] <thoreauputic> _jim: and it's getting easier for people all the time :)
[06:16] <_jim> only k3b instead of nero which my dad constantly cocks up anyway 
[06:16] <mikl> IIIEars: resolution is primary dependent on your monitor-settings 
[06:16] <_jim> thoreauputic: yeh, aside from that issue with the network everything works perfectly...
[06:16] <Choubaka> My sisters sometimes complains about not having MSN messenger.
[06:16] <Choubaka> -s
[06:16] <IIIEars> Display properties offer one res 640x480
[06:17] <Choubaka> That's their only gripe 
[06:17] <thoreauputic> _jim: you didn't resolve htat?
[06:17] <_jim> thoreauputic: yeh i did, just saying that was the only hiccup
[06:17] <Choubaka> And they love the Gimp :D
[06:17] <thoreauputic> _jim: ah, I see :)
[06:17] <_jim> the rest went perfectly
[06:17] <mikl> IIIEars: the resolutions available for X is depenadant on what it thinks the max-values for HSync og VRefresh is
[06:17] <_jim> Choubaka: yeh, dad's a photoshop whore and he thinks gimp is faster so he's using that now
[06:18] <mikl> IIIEars: as defined in the monitor-section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:18] <Choubaka> hehe.
[06:18] <pussfeller> yer older generation, email and a browser... anything beyond that... they have no need
[06:18] <pussfeller> or idea
[06:18] <_jim> Choubaka: though i did buy xover office just incase he needs photoshop
[06:18] <IIIEars> mikl - the resolution values from dpkg xorg looked okay.
[06:19] <osh> How do I open a dvd in the mplayer gui?
[06:19] <Tm_T> ...
[06:19] <mikl> IIIEars: in that case it /should/ work
[06:19] <IIIEars> the i810 driver doesn't ofer accel.
[06:20] <pussfeller> you can get dri with i810
[06:20] <Tm_T> osh: use rightclick
[06:20] <Tm_T> osh: that's where you find things everywhere
[06:20] <osh> Tm_T: I just found it.
[06:20] <IIIEars> really don't know what thae dri setting does
[06:20] <_jim> thoreauputic: i think the only thing thats actually stopping linux on the desktop for most people (i.e not power users) is the fact that they can't get alot of the commercial products/support
[06:20] <osh> And it appears to crash for me. :-/
[06:20] <Tm_T> osh: you know, there's reason why mouse have multiple buttons ;)
[06:20] <pussfeller> in this context, i mean getting opengl to work
[06:21] <_jim> thoreauputic: which is hard to actually fix from a distro point of view
[06:21] <thoreauputic> _jim: that and the fact that it isn't pre-installed
[06:21] <IIIEars> assuming the dri setting isn't used what should the other settings be?
[06:21] <osh> Tm_T: Bah. Mice is a pest that should be eradicated.... :-)
[06:21] <Tm_T> haha
[06:21] <pussfeller> most common users rarely resort to commerical support
[06:22] <thoreauputic> _jim: people still need a linux geek to say "have you tried streamtuner/ frozen-bubble/ foo ? "
[06:22] <_jim> thoreauputic: i guess...but like, i was going to do this for a friend too...she was all keen and then she said..well  i need myob for accounts...
[06:22] <IIIEars> lol
[06:22] <IIIEars> frozen bubble? - hmm - wide grin
[06:22] <thoreauputic> _jim: yes, that can be a problem 
[06:22] <Tm_T> it's great =)
[06:23] <_jim> thoreauputic: i mean...if you have a linux geek, of which there are a few now..you can get it installed and to be honest..linux doesn't break that much
[06:23] <osh> Tm_T: Mplayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_audio
[06:23] <IIIEars> mondo - will back it up if it does
[06:23] <_jim> thoreauputic: but if the applications aren't there...then what can you do...there is a whole world of trouble free computing they can't access..
[06:23] <_jim> its not just a linux thing either...macs have that problem..though to a lesser extent
[06:23] <osh> Tm_T: Mplayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM. Recompile MPlayer with --enable-debug and make a gdb backtrace and disassembly.
[06:24] <IIIEars> If there are enough users developers will find them
[06:24] <thoreauputic> _jim: this is gradually changing, but it will take a while
[06:24] <Tm_T> osh: try Kplayer or oKle
[06:25] <_jim> thoreauputic: well yeh, thats my point..there is_nothing a distro can really do..linux is ready for the desktop in terms of what a distro can actually provide
[06:25] <thoreauputic> there's a catch 22 " there isn't enough demand" but if they don't make the software no one can increase the demand...
[06:26] <IIIEars> the real trouble is gamers push the a big chunk of the market. - new hardware
[06:26] <Choubaka> Frozen Bubble.
[06:26] <Choubaka> That game is pure evil in all its addictiveness.
[06:27] <thoreauputic> 3 cheers for frozen bubble !
[06:27] <IIIEars> and Doom 3
[06:27] <Choubaka> Doom3 can not even compare.
[06:27] <Choubaka> My entire family plays frozen bubble
[06:27] <Choubaka> and they're all addicts.
[06:27] <thoreauputic> pingud is cute :D
[06:27] <thoreauputic> *pingus
[06:28] <IIIEars> << XScrabble :)
[06:28] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: is Xscrabble in the repos?
[06:28] <IIIEars> nah but alien fixed it. - copyright trouble - gentoo ignores it.
[06:29] <IIIEars> I think it was gentoo's repo
[06:29] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: where did you get yours?
[06:29] <IIIEars> I think it was gentoo's repo
[06:29] <thoreauputic> hmm OK
[06:31] <IIIEars> any hints for setting up a $198 video card with no accel?
[06:31] <IIIEars> er $1.98
[06:32] <IIIEars> gotta love those OEM machines.
[06:32] <Tm_T> eh?
[06:32] <IIIEars> My wife needs kubuntu :)
[06:33] <IIIEars> 640x480 won't make her smile
[06:33] <osh> ogle_nav: vm.c:1241: play_PGC_post: Assertion `state.pgc->next_pgc_nr != 0' failed.
[06:33] <Tm_T> IIIEars: haha
[06:34] <IIIEars> should i try dri with framebuffer?
[06:34] <Tm_T> sure
[06:34] <IIIEars> Okay.
[06:34] <IIIEars> framebuffer everytime for LCD display?
[06:36] <IIIEars> back in a blit er blit i mean with 24 bit color.
[06:52] <_tron> tes
[06:58] <osh> err... installing java on kubuntu? I've done the "fakeroot make-jpkg jre.bin" but I don't get a .deb-file as a result. :-(
[06:59] <thoreauputic> osh: you need the sun jre  bin file first, of course
[06:59] <thoreauputic> osh: in case that's your problem...
[07:00] <Tm_T> ehh
[07:00] <Tm_T> =)
[07:00] <osh> thoreauputic: I've got that one, and I've installed java-package
[07:00] <thoreauputic> osh: OK
[07:03] <osh> http://pastebin.com/291318
[07:05] <thoreauputic> osh: erm.. don't you have to use the full filename? as in jre <tab> ?
[07:07] <osh> thoreauputic: My bad. I've managed to mangle the name of the file while moving it and didn't think it'd matter. When moving the original file it just worked. I found this out right now.
[07:08] <osh> thoreauputic: It's building now.
[07:08] <thoreauputic> :)
[07:08] <osh> Annoying wouldn't you say?
[07:09] <osh> Installing it now. Let's just hope it works.. =)
[07:09] <thoreauputic> You might say so - I couldn't possibly comment ;-)
[07:10] <osh> SUCCESS! 
[07:11] <osh> It works. It's a bit more work than a normal "sudo apt-get install java5" but atleast it works now.
[07:11] <osh> thoreauputic: You're one of the kubuntu devels?
[07:11] <thoreauputic> no
[07:12] <Tm_T> heh
[07:12] <thoreauputic> I just hang around a lot:)
[07:12] <Tm_T> I never just hang around
[07:12] <osh> Is there a kubuntu devel around here or is this channel just for us "users"?
[07:12] <Tm_T> oh yes here is
[07:12] <thoreauputic> osh: Riddell makes an appearnce regularly
[07:12] <thoreauputic> *appearance
[07:13] <Tm_T> and \sh 
[07:13] <Tm_T> and some others
[07:13] <osh> And how free is kubuntu? Free as in debian or free as in Mandriva? 
[07:14] <thoreauputic> Tm_T: "Tm_T I never just hang around" -> I've been known to help people occsionally ;-)
[07:14] <thoreauputic> osh:  free as in debian
[07:14] <Tm_T> I never help ] ;=
[07:14] <Tm_T> osh: free
[07:15] <Riddell> thoreauputic: who?  me?
[07:15] <Tm_T> =)
[07:15] <thoreauputic> Riddell: spaeak of the Devil :)
[07:15] <Tm_T> Riddell: nothing to you, go away
[07:15] <Tm_T> ;--P
[07:15] <Riddell> righty ho, I know my place
[07:16] <Tm_T> osh: hmm, my dvd:s work very well
[07:16] <Riddell> osh: what doesn't work about it?
[07:16] <thoreauputic> Riddell: yes, be suitably humble ;-)
[07:17] <thoreauputic> Riddell: things like java won't install when you get the filename wrong, and Kubuntu doesn't magically guess it for you ;)
[07:18] <Riddell> java is non-free which makes it difficult to package sensibly
[07:19] <thoreauputic> Riddell: it was a joke at osh's expense, actually :)
[07:19] <Riddell> well it's an interesting point, we should have a graphical installer that just does the right thing for evil proprietry stuff like java/real/flash
[07:20] <thoreauputic> Riddell: that would be nice, yeah
[07:20] <thoreauputic> Riddell: realplay is rubbish anyway, as far as I can tell
[07:20] <osh> Riddell: The problem with I have with dvd is that kaffeine won't play it but gives an error-msg, okle just refuses to play or say anything, and mplayer crashes. It works well in my old mandrake-installation in my basement so I figure it's got to be a kubuntu issue.
[07:20] <thoreauputic> Riddell: it only works for about half the formatsit claims to
[07:21] <Riddell> osh: do you have libdvdcss installed?
[07:21] <Blissex> osh: perhaps you want to have a look at the versions in the marillat repository. Do a search...
[07:21] <osh> Riddell: I do. Same version on both machines I believe.
[07:21] <Riddell> what's the error message from kaffeine
[07:22] <osh> Riddell: I think I've removed the marillat-repos because of some other error. thoreauputic helped me with that. Let me just reenable them and install kaffeine and I'll tell you the error.
[07:23] <thoreauputic> osh: i wouldn't if I were you
[07:23] <osh> thoreauputic: No?
[07:24] <thoreauputic> osh: the marillat repos are debian repos and cause a lot of conflicts with ubuntu
[07:24] <thoreauputic> osh: I see it almost daily
[07:24] <thoreauputic> osh: OK for getting codecs, but disable them afterwards
[07:25] <thoreauputic> I use xine anyway: works well for me
[07:26] <osh> thoreauputic: Ok. I'll have that in mind. I think kaffeine is based on xine btw.
[07:26] <thoreauputic> osh: correct :)
[07:27] <thoreauputic> osh: for some reason I find xine-ui is more reliable than totem-xine, kaffeine, or xfmedia, even though they all use the xine backend
[07:29] <pv> Sad thing that xine-ui frontend is so bad...
[07:29] <pv> Using X11 as a toolkit is not very nice.
[07:29] <osh> thoreauputic: Riddell: For some reason things just started to work now. I think. I've got picture and sound running. 
[07:29] <thoreauputic> pv: it's OK if you get a nice skin (although the menus still suck)
[07:29] <osh> Thanks for being patient with me.
[07:29] <Riddell> osh: he he, always the way 
[07:30] <thoreauputic> osh: glad to hear it's working for you
[07:32] <osh> Hmm, perhaps I spoke too soon. It's a bit "jumpy". Still. It's a big improvement. I'll see if I can see what's taking so much cpu.
[07:32] <thoreauputic> osh:  you have dma enabled on the DVD drive?
[07:34] <osh> thoreauputic: probably not.
[07:34] <thoreauputic> osh: check that- makes a big difference
[07:34] <thoreauputic> hdparm
[07:35] <thoreauputic> like: sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/dvd (or whatever your device is, like /dev/hdc)
[07:36] <thoreauputic> and put in a an entry for it it /etc/hdparm.conf
[07:39] <osh> thoreauputic: It worked perfectly. Thanks.
[07:39] <thoreauputic> osh: great :)
[07:40] <thoreauputic> osh: make sure you have an entry in /etc/hdparm.conf so it will load on boot
[07:40] <gdh> Another happy customer :) 
[07:41] <thoreauputic> we aim to please... *g*
[07:43] <gdh> thoreauputic: Here's something you might be able to use your magic fix0r powers on :) If I choose 'Administrator mode' in anything in kcontrol, rather than showing me the same controls again, it shows me the information screen "Welcome to the "KDE Control Centre"," with KDE version / hostname / kernel version etc.
[07:43] <gdh> even happens across reboots :)
[07:43] <thoreauputic> gdh: known issue (bug) use sudo kcontrol from a terminal
[07:44] <gdh> Ooh excellent- am glad it's not just a weirdy on my system alone
[07:44] <thoreauputic> gdh: this is also regularly reported on the mailing list and in #kubuntu
[07:44] <gdh> you have majik tekn1q ;)
[07:44] <gdh> I've not been on here much recently and am not subbed to the list.
[07:45] <gdh> I have enough list mail already...
[07:45] <gdh> asterisk-users makes sure of that
[07:46] <Tm_T> hmh, why not "kdesu kcontrol"
[07:46] <thoreauputic> Tm_T: yes, that would be fine I guess
[07:46] <Tm_T> I heard sudo causes problems with some fraphical progs
[07:46] <Tm_T> g
[07:46] <thoreauputic> Tm_T: k3b in particular, it seems
[07:46] <thoreauputic> .ICEauthority gets confused
[07:50] <_stealth> hey guys, anyone know of a nice program to record video for Kubuntu?
[07:51] <_stealth> something like camtasia studio or fraps
[07:51] <_stealth> to record ur desktop
[07:53] <Tm_T> hm
[07:53] <gdh> damnit someone sent me a link for that recently
[07:53] <gdh> converts a VNC session to a .swf
[07:53] <Curalton> there is a program to make a flash animation from the vnc output 
[07:53] <Curalton> yeh :)
[07:54] <gdh> http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/
[07:54] <gdh> _stealth: So, combine that with KDE's built-in VNC-based 'desktop sharing'
[07:54] <gdh> and you have a solution :)
[07:55] <_stealth> interesting
[07:55] <_stealth> so i would need to recod it from another comp?
[07:56] <_stealth> or just start a vnc session?
[07:56] <gdh> Possibly not.. 
[07:56] <gdh> I think it only connects to the VNC server in watch-only mode
[07:56] <gdh> krfb shouldn't have a problem with that
[07:57] <_stealth> could u connect to urself in vnc?
[07:57] <pv> Why not?
[07:57] <gdh> The vnc2swf software will be able to, I'm sure. Only KDE's own 'krdc' will likely complain if you try to open localhost:0
[08:24] <GuS-Arg> Helou!
[08:38] <osh> what dvd-ripping package would you suggest? dvdrip? acidrip?  drip? I'd like something rather automatic.
[08:43] <Tm_T> hmh, why servers allow root to connect
[08:43] <Tm_T> and I mean root users here
[08:58] <Aladdin--> hi all
[08:58] <osh> hi
[08:58] <Aladdin--> Now nothing is as beautiful as a K desk.  I'm home. This Ubuntu project is great.
[08:59] <Aladdin--> osh, hi dude
[08:59] <Aladdin--> osh, I got a brand new install o' Kubuntu.
[08:59] <osh> Aladdin--: Me too. Sort of. =)
[09:00] <Aladdin--> osh, why sort of?
[09:01] <osh> I've had it for a few weeks. That's sort of "new" isnt' it?
[09:01] <Aladdin--> osh, oh ok :)
[09:02] <Aladdin--> osh, I,ve reinstalled it a couple of time.  laast setup I had an http serveeeer running, cool, with php and mysql and a Mambo CMS.  
[09:02] <Riddell> Aladdin--: congratulations
[09:03] <Aladdin--> Riddell, hi
[09:04] <Aladdin--> now I'm going to learn Pure-Ftpd. It's got a graphical interface and all the trimmings: ratio, virtual servers, virtual users...
[09:06] <Aladdin--> but hey, THE thing is mplayer. Playing an ISO file, hehe, cool!
[09:08] <Aladdin--> OK now anybody:  I got a BUG using Kaffeine.  The process hangs and I have to manually shut it off.  Anyone know about this?
[09:09] <Tezkah> I think that is a known issue
[09:09] <osh> Aladdin--: Yep. Known issue.
[09:09] <Aladdin--> Tezkah, good. any improvment ahead?
[09:09] <SlicerDicer-> what do you guys use to play DVD's
[09:10] <osh> Aladdin--: I think adding this and upgrading fixes it. deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main
[09:10] <Aladdin--> sladen, mplayer
[09:10] <osh> Aladdin--: Kaffeine.
[09:10] <Aladdin--> osh, oh OK cool thx alot!
[09:11] <osh> SlicerDicer-: Kaffeine is what I use for my DVD. I just got it to work a few hours (1-2) ago though. thoreauputic and Riddell helped me with it.
[09:13] <osh> Is there a GUI-tool for ripping dvd's? I have a lot of Buffy DVD's to rip and don't want to spend a lot of time configuring and doing that kind of job. I just want to slot it in and press "Rip".
[09:13] <SlicerDicer-> hm well it cant read my dvd
[09:13] <osh> SlicerDicer-: What's your /dev/dvd linked to and is the player configured to use /dev/dvd?
[09:13] <Tezkah> arrgh 20kbps
[09:14] <SlicerDicer-> osh, /dev/cdrom
[09:14] <osh> SlicerDicer-: and what's /dev/cdrom linked to?
[09:15] <SlicerDicer-> eh? /dev/cdrom is where the dvd is
[09:15] <osh> SlicerDicer-: and which of the two questions were you answering? :-)
[09:15] <SlicerDicer-> I dont know what you wnat
[09:15] <SlicerDicer-> its reading the dvd and sees it
[09:15] <SlicerDicer-> thats not the problem
[09:16] <osh> SlicerDicer-: and you've got libdecss installed?
[09:16] <SlicerDicer-> The source can't be read.
[09:16] <SlicerDicer-> Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (Error reading from DVD.)
[09:16] <x2peistu> who could tell me useful programs for Kubuntu?
[09:16] <SlicerDicer-> does not exist in synaptic
[09:16] <x2peistu> like mp3player...........or elsse
[09:17] <osh> SlicerDicer-: exactly the same error I got. Hang on. I'll check what the decss program is called.
[09:18] <x2peistu> who could tell me useful programs for Kubuntu?
[09:18] <x2peistu> like mp3player...........or elsse
[09:19] <Tezkah> x2peistu: try amaroK for mp3s
[09:19] <Tezkah> or xmms, if you want something lighter
[09:19] <osh> SlicerDicer-: perhaps it's the libdvdcss2 or libdvdread3. 
[09:19] <x2peistu> i want something 3D
[09:19] <x2peistu> could u help me?
[09:20] <SlicerDicer-> ok
[09:21] <Aladdin--> osh, I've applied the updates you mentionned.  The change is phenomenal.  I get 20% cpu use while watching a movie, and nothing @reserved@ to the system.  And it doesn't hang in the memory anymore.  THX alot.  That was a good info.
[09:21] <SlicerDicer-> nope osh 
[09:22] <osh> Aladdin--: glad to be of service. =)
[09:22] <osh> SlicerDicer-: what's the error?
[09:23] <SlicerDicer-> screw it I will just play itin my mac lol
[09:23] <x2peistu> who could tell me useful programs for Kubuntu? like mp3 player (full 3D)
[09:23] <SlicerDicer-> this is a 64bit computer thats more than likely why
[09:23] <x2peistu> who could tell me useful programs for Kubuntu? like mp3 player (full 3D)
[09:24] <osh> SlicerDicer-: Ahh. AMD64? That explains a lot. Then you'll need a chroot.
[09:24] <x2peistu> pls
[09:24] <osh> SlicerDicer-: I got it to work on my amd but only through chroot.
[09:24] <x2peistu> who could tell me useful programs for Kubuntu? like mp3 player (full 3D)
[09:25] <osh> x2peistu: amaroK isn't good enough for you? 
[09:25] <x2peistu> nop
[09:26] <x2peistu> osh: do u got something else for me?
[09:26] <SlicerDicer-> osh, nah no need for Chroot I will just kludge it
[09:26] <gdh> x2peistu: If you keep repeating the same question you'll get kicked.
[09:26] <gdh> What the hell has 3D got to do with an mp3 player, anyway?
[09:26] <SlicerDicer-> osh, I just dont have the patience right now
[09:26] <osh> x2peistu: sorry. I don't have the same requirements as you do. If it works it's good enough for me. =)
[09:27] <x2peistu> i whant that all to be 3d
[09:27] <osh> SlicerDicer-: Ok. From what I gather it's just that most codecs don't do 64-bit yet.
[09:27] <SlicerDicer-> osh, I had dvds working in gentoo with full 64bit its possible :)
[09:28] <SlicerDicer-> osh, its .mov and .wmv that I have a hell of a time with
[09:29] <osh> SlicerDicer-: I can imagine. The chroot I had to do to play avi/mpeg/wmv things. I just assumed that dvd's were the same.
[09:35] <SlicerDicer-> osh, nah I had mpg working I just did not bother with wmv or mov those were the only 2 busted
[09:37] <osh> SlicerDicer-: I had some mpegs working. Not all of them oddly enough. And no avi's. On this 32-bit machine it works though.
[09:39] <Tezkah> okay I am going back to KDE
[09:39] <Tezkah> I miss it too much
[09:39] <SlicerDicer-> hmm strange osh 
[09:40] <mikl> kde is your friend
[09:40] <Tezkah> oh Plastik
[09:40] <Tezkah> how I've missed you
[09:41] <mez> hmm
[09:41] <mez> why do my apps like, Firefox look soooo crappy under KDE
[09:45] <osh> mez: gtk depenancies
[09:45] <mez> so how do i fix them
[09:46] <mez> they look sucky
[09:46] <mez> I got told
[09:46] <mez> Install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt and Gaim will look normal w00t.gif 
[09:46] <osh> theme firefox or rebuild it and send to kubuntu.org. ;-)
[09:46] <mez> but that didnt work
[09:47] <_Church_Of_Foame> anyone know how to delete a file with .<filename>?
[09:47] <mez> osh, mind if I PM you?
[09:47] <mez> query *
[09:47] <osh> _Church_Of_Foame: rm .filename
[09:47] <_Church_Of_Foame> ok
[09:48] <osh> mez: Why not take it in the channel. Perhaps someone else can help too?
[09:48] <mez> well
[09:48] <mez> I was going to send you a screenshot of what I mean by it looks crap
[09:48] <_Church_Of_Foame> it won't remove it because it's a directory any other options?
[09:49] <osh> mez: Ok. Send it. I do think I've seen it though. I use firefox too and it looks "gnomish".
[09:49] <mez> It doesnt even look gnomish
[09:49] <osh> _Church_Of_Foame: then try rm -r .filename
[09:49] <mez> it looks like it's just... built... crappily
[09:49] <_Church_Of_Foame> ok thanx
[09:49] <osh> _Church_Of_Foame: but that's deleting a directory.
[09:50] <mez> sending osh
[09:50] <mez> accept
[09:50] <mikl> is it just me, or is http://www.konversation.org/ not working?
[09:51] <osh> Hmm, doesn't seem to work. perhaps my firewall is too strict...
[09:51] <gdh> DCC CHAT? How quaint :)
[09:51] <osh> I don't feel like opening that up though. Isnt' there a pastebin or something that can be used to show screenshots?
[09:52] <mez> *Shrugs*
[09:52] <osh> mikl: I can't get it either.
[09:53] <mez> http://mezzle.info/snapshot6.jpg
[09:55] <osh> mez: what am I looking for?
[09:55] <osh> mez: looks similar to my firefox...
[09:55] <mez> look at the difference between konqueror and firefox...
[09:55] <mez> oh god
[09:56] <mez> you mean I'm stuck with it looking that crappy :(
[09:56] <osh> I think so. Unless you can put a theme on firefox. There something called plastik-something that's quite good they say.
[09:57] <osh> I assume that this is how a gtk-app looks under kde.
[09:59] <mez> I thought they'd at least look a LITTLE better
[09:59] <mez> erm
[09:59] <mez> quick Q
[09:59] <mez> how do i install verdana etc etc fonts
[10:03] <osh> sorry, can't help you there.
[10:04] <mez> nvm, found help in #ubuntu
[10:05] <phxguy> can someone help me with my icons. None of them display for some reason
[10:10] <phxguy> can't anybody help me out?
[10:10] <ilbahr> what do you need ph
[10:11] <phxguy> none of my icons are showing up anywhere.... not even in my kicker panel
[10:12] <ilbahr> sorry do not know what could cause that
[10:12] <phxguy> whats wierd is if i open konqueror as root the icons are there
[10:13] <phxguy> so i think it may be a permissions issue but then i checked the permission on the icons folders and it seems okay
[10:13] <ilbahr> you should not see icons on desktop but in task bar you should
[10:14] <ilbahr> try adding new user and log in with this user name
[10:14] <ilbahr> then copy the directory ./kde it might just be a mistake when the default was copied from etc
[10:15] <Tezkah> ryan@averatux:~$ touch /dev/genitalia
[10:15] <Tezkah> touch: cannot touch `/dev/genitalia': Permission denied
[10:15] <Tezkah> =\
[10:20] <Jeezis> Tezkah: don't you just hate it when that happens =P
[10:47] <osh> I can't install transcode. Anyone got an idea on how to fix that?
[10:47] <osh> Actually I couldn't care less about transcode but I need it for the dvdrip-package. ;-)
[10:48] <phxguy> how do i enable root login from kdm?
[10:48] <gdh> osh: you need the marillat deb repositories
[10:48] <gdh> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
[10:48] <gdh> add the 'testing' and 'stable' ones too :)
[10:48] <osh> I've tried with and without the marillat repos but it won't install anyway. 
[10:48] <gdh> since some packages aren't in all 3
[10:50] <osh> I've got stable/unstable/testing in sources.list.
[10:50] <phxguy> anybody???
[10:50] <gdh> phxguy: You don't. Get over it.
[10:50] <phxguy> gdh think again
[10:51] <gdh> just use 'sudo' when you need to run a command with root privs
[10:51] <phxguy> ive had it enabled before
[10:51] <osh> gdh: Any help appreciated.
[10:51] <osh> phxguy: why would you want root to be able to login?
[10:51] <phxguy> i just dont remeber where i did it at
[10:51] <phxguy> because my usual login is screwed up
[10:52] <phxguy> and i need to do some things under root
[10:52] <gdh> osh: Hm. I see what you mean... libavcodeccvs uninstallable.
[10:52] <gdh> osh: this is directlly because marillat's for Debian not ubuntu :/
[10:52] <osh> phxguy: why not do a normal login from ctrl-alt-f1 and fix it from there?
[10:52] <gdh> libc6 version dependency of 2.3.2.ds1-21 not 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 etc.
[10:52] <phxguy> well as I said my usual login is hosed
[10:53] <osh> phxguy: Sorry, I didn't mean normal login, I meant root login from ctrl-alt-f1
[10:53] <osh> gdh: is there a way to fix it. I'd really like to be able to use dvdrip.
[10:54] <osh> phxguy: you should be able to do that.
[10:54] <phxguy> I see im gonna get nowhere
[10:54] <gdh> osh: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=548&page=3
[10:54] <uniq> phxguy: reboot and pass init=/bin/sh to the kernel. do your root stuff and fix your account. (make sure your account is in the admin group (check: 'id username' add: 'adduser username admin')
[10:54] <gdh> I googled for 'transcode ubuntu' :)
[10:54] <uniq> gah.. he left.
[10:56] <gdh> osh: Eek I wouldn't want to follow that.. it's reccomending to install a debian libc6 :/
[10:57] <gdh> osh: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#dvdrip
[10:57] <osh> gdh: Ok. I won't
[10:57] <kay> Can anybody help me cure my keyboard layout on Breezy?
[10:58] <kay> It seems utterly broken now
[10:59] <kay> It is e.g. like alt is no longer a meta key
[10:59] <kay> And tab seems to be a key with no name?!
[11:03] <lonewolff> does anyone know what cause i/o errors when burning dvd's in k3b? i have managed to ruin 3 discs today and only write 2 sucessfully
[11:04] <gdh> kay: Few of us are mad enough to use breezy yet :)
[11:04] <kay> well, i am
[11:14] <kay> it runs quite ok now, except KDE being incomplete and Xorg breaks keys
[11:14] <kay> And I needed a lot of handword to get Xorg to run at all
[11:17] <_Church_Of_Foame> where would the error messages for wine be located?
[11:33] <mez_> osh, you still here?
[11:34] <gdh> Mez: Where's "perr" in the UK?
[11:35] <gdh> gosh, must've been a personal question :)
[11:35] <lonewolff> gdh: ive never heard of that, sure its the correct spelling?
[11:35] <gdh> lonewolff:  (~mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk)
[11:35] <gdh> couldn't think of a name that could be shortened to 'perr'
[11:36] <lonewolff> me either ...
[11:38] <lonewolff> gdh: perr.blueyonder.co.uk appears to be bradford area, but that weird
[11:39] <transgress> HOW?
[11:39] <transgress> err
[11:39] <transgress> how?
[11:39] <lonewolff> trying to wrote dvd with k3b have done 3 successfully and the last 4 have given me an i/o error
[11:39] <transgress> hmm
[11:39] <transgress> sucks
[11:39] <transgress> i have had good luck with it so far
[11:40] <lonewolff> well everything was fine earlier
[11:40] <lonewolff> but i dont know whats going on now
[11:40] <lonewolff> its always when it gets to the same part as well, on more tha one different file
[11:40] <lonewolff> just over the 3gb mark and it dies
[11:45] <lonewolff> im gonna try a different make of disc
[12:00] <gdh> lonewolff: can you not get k3b to show you the verbose output from 'cdrecord'?
[12:00] <gdh> that might give a better clue than "didn't work"
[12:00] <gdh> most of the problem with these things is they're just pretty frontends to shove an .iso into cdrecord 
[12:00] <gdh> so there's no real integration at all
[12:01] <lonewolff> gdh: i am just trying another brand of disc atm to check its not the cheap discs