| herve | wth, I need an account to see a forum? | 12:01 |
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| ivoks | http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=180&c=5 | 12:01 |
| ivoks | check this one :) | 12:01 |
| ivoks | herve: yeah :( | 12:02 |
| herve | dholbach not coming back... | 12:02 |
| DanielN | thanks for link .. i should register first ;) | 12:03 |
| ivoks | wait | 12:04 |
| herve | second link is ok | 12:04 |
| ivoks | i can upload pics... | 12:04 |
| DanielN | ahh | 12:04 |
| ivoks | second is my wallpaper :) | 12:04 |
| DanielN | :) | 12:04 |
| herve | ok, I saw 264 | 12:04 |
| herve | quite nice | 12:05 |
| herve | would be better without the ubuntu branding ;-) | 12:05 |
| ivoks | http://u4.eset.com/download/lms/nod32lms-2.15-1.i386.deb | 12:05 |
| ivoks | they even have .deb package :) | 12:05 |
| DanielN | mhm .. it's ok for me ;) | 12:05 |
| ivoks | time to go to bed | 12:09 |
| herve | that suspens is killing me! | 12:09 |
| herve | night ivoks | 12:09 |
| ivoks | :)) | 12:09 |
| DanielN | mhm .. freesleepers inside ;) | 12:09 |
| DanielN | argh .. | 12:09 |
| ivoks | herve: what's with X? | 12:09 |
| herve | I *really* want it repaired :-) | 12:10 |
| herve | too late, end of the song | 12:11 |
| herve | ++ | 12:11 |
| DanielN | attempting to sleep too ;) | 12:14 |
| DanielN | good night all | 12:14 |
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| dholbach | grmbl | 12:15 |
| dholbach | what were those funky font symlinks i had to make? | 12:16 |
| dholbach | hm no.. the fonts are in order | 12:17 |
| dholbach | brb | 12:19 |
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| dholbach | IT WORKS! | 12:21 |
| dholbach | :) | 12:21 |
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| dholbach | good night everyone | 12:48 |
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| === HiddenWolf moans about mono debs | ||
| ogra | HiddenWolf, see topic | 01:13 |
| HiddenWolf | That's why I do it. ;) | 01:14 |
| === HiddenWolf grins | ||
| === HiddenWolf wouldn't know mono if it slapped him in the face | ||
| === HiddenWolf gives ogra a big hug of appreciation, then goes to find his bed to sober up | ||
| tseng | rage. | 01:19 |
| tseng | ogra: do you have a howto on writing manpages? | 01:20 |
| tseng | my boo deb needs three | 01:20 |
| ajmitch | write them in docbook, and use docbook2man? | 01:20 |
| ajmitch | I think that's what dholbach suggested at one point | 01:20 |
| tseng | i dont speak docbook either | 01:20 |
| tseng | oh well | 01:21 |
| ogra | tseng, take te .ex file and check it with man -l <file> | 01:21 |
| tseng | the .ex from debhelper? | 01:22 |
| tseng | ok.. | 01:22 |
| tseng | manpage.xml.ex nice | 01:23 |
| ogra | or any other manpage... | 01:23 |
| tseng | bwa, sections | 01:24 |
| tseng | i have a compiler, a shell, and an interpreter.. | 01:24 |
| tseng | all 5? | 01:24 |
| ogra | man man ? | 01:25 |
| tseng | oh | 01:26 |
| tseng | section 1 | 01:26 |
| ajmitch | ogra: great, I see you spoke to herve about MOTUPython :) | 01:28 |
| ajmitch | thanks, I hadn't seen him round | 01:28 |
| tseng | eh its easier imo just to use the manpage.1.ex | 01:33 |
| tseng | @ ajmitch | 01:33 |
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| ogra | ajmitch, nice :) you filled the page | 02:08 |
| === ogra welcomes the new Python teamleader | ||
| === ajmitch was coerced :P | ||
| ogra | heh | 02:10 |
| ajmitch | herve can have the job if he wants :) | 02:11 |
| ajmitch | unless we have another big transition there shouldn't be as much coordinating to do | 02:11 |
| ogra | probably | 02:12 |
| ogra | lets see what happens :) | 02:12 |
| ogra | the edubuntu guys have some interest, they were the ones that asked several times about the python team | 02:13 |
| ajmitch | either way I'll hopefully have spare time for ubuntu after this week :) | 02:13 |
| ogra | :) | 02:13 |
| ajmitch | yes, I'd better upload those c++ libs that are approved & fix the others :) | 02:14 |
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| Burgundavia | \sh, you pinged? | 03:46 |
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| Burgundavia | \sh, if you need to contact me, you can email me at corey.burger@gmail.com | 04:43 |
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| mgalvin | hi all | 06:37 |
| crimsun | 'lo | 06:37 |
| mgalvin | so to start my semi trial by fire I am trying out building ogre which lead me to have to instll nvidia-cg-toolkit | 06:38 |
| mgalvin | i built a deb of it from the rpm... first has anyone else already done this, if not would anyone be interested in trying it out | 06:39 |
| crimsun | I don't know of anyone else having done as much, but be sure to note your progress on the wiki | 06:40 |
| mgalvin | i have the nvidia cgc deb and will hopefully have an ogre deb soon | 06:40 |
| Lathiat | mgalvin: what is it? | 06:41 |
| mgalvin | the nvidia compile and runtime | 06:41 |
| mgalvin | at http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cg_toolkit.html | 06:41 |
| mgalvin | it is one of the packages ogre uses | 06:42 |
| Lathiat | interesting | 06:43 |
| mgalvin | as an aspiring maintainer, i would love feedback on this stuff if anyone has spare time to take a look | 06:46 |
| mgalvin | I am putting the nvidia-cg-toolkit deb on my webserver now, uploading... | 06:46 |
| mgalvin | the stuff I have been (and will be) trying out is at | 06:48 |
| mgalvin | http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/ubuntu/packages/hoary/i386/ | 06:48 |
| mgalvin | if anyone is interesting in taking a peek | 06:48 |
| mgalvin | l8r all | 07:10 |
| chillywilly | anyone ever read on lisp by paul graham? | 07:31 |
| crimsun | parts, I need to reread it | 07:33 |
| chillywilly | lisp is pretty cool | 07:37 |
| crimsun | it certainly has its uses | 07:37 |
| chillywilly | please don't say AI or "expert systems" ;) | 07:38 |
| crimsun | those are the classically cited ones, yes ;) | 07:39 |
| chillywilly | gah | 07:39 |
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| \sh | morning | 08:20 |
| \sh | siretart: added | 08:28 |
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| \sh | strike dar build successfully on i386, ppc, amd64 and ia64..my first upload worked ;) | 09:47 |
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| ogra | Accepted dar 2.2.1-1ubuntu2 (source) | 11:25 |
| ogra | woah | 11:25 |
| ogra | applause \sh !! | 11:26 |
| === Amaranth added another totally awesome feature to smeg :) | ||
| Amaranth | little up and down arrows next to the menus and entries to allow you to change their position | 11:26 |
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| DanielN | is pbuilder really the only thing i need to build a breezy chroot for building packages ? | 11:28 |
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| \sh | yeah | 11:29 |
| \sh | ogra: and dar and libibtk compiled on _all_ archs, i'm really happy about it :) | 11:30 |
| Amaranth | nice | 11:31 |
| Amaranth | but what is dar? :) | 11:31 |
| Amaranth | darcs? | 11:31 |
| ogra | \sh, be aware, you'll mutate to the upload bitch for the next days | 11:31 |
| \sh | ogra: first i will resolv all my packages ;) | 11:33 |
| \sh | ogra: but u can review qinx ;) | 11:33 |
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| === Amaranth jumps up and down | ||
| Amaranth | am i here? :) | 11:33 |
| \sh | haha | 11:34 |
| ogra | Amaranth, apt-cache show dar | 11:34 |
| ivoks | ah... | 11:34 |
| ogra | its boring... | 11:34 |
| \sh | Amaranth: don't bother about dar..i don't know what this thing is doing...i'm compiling only and trying to fix.. ;) | 11:34 |
| ivoks | bacula is the best backup system | 11:34 |
| ogra | \sh, its a backup tool | 11:34 |
| \sh | ogra: well..ok :) | 11:35 |
| \sh | coffee now :) | 11:35 |
| ivoks | ogra: if you are bored, you could review my package :) | 11:35 |
| ivoks | and maybe upload it :) | 11:35 |
| \sh | ogra: I just went shopping at 9:00am..and when I came back i was wet as hell...this weather is not normal | 11:35 |
| ivoks | \sh: wet as hell :) hot as icecube :) | 11:36 |
| ogra | hey guys, i'm just preparing my trip to GUADEC.... (probably i'll pull down some packages to review offline on the train) | 11:36 |
| ogra | lol | 11:36 |
| ivoks | hehe | 11:37 |
| ivoks | you could review mine... it's simple :) | 11:37 |
| Amaranth | ogra: Trying to catch up to seb? | 11:37 |
| ivoks | that wifi-radar is there for ages :) | 11:37 |
| === Amaranth wonders how long it will take to get smeg into universe | ||
| ogra | Amaranth, naah... i'm not a packaging king, will never be as good as him.... | 11:38 |
| Amaranth | ogra: Just package lots of Python things, some of those can be 5 line cdbs scripts. | 11:39 |
| Amaranth | I mean some of those can only take 5 line cdbs scripts. | 11:39 |
| \sh | ah...the first coffee of the day | 11:44 |
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| \sh | re ogra | 12:12 |
| \sh | ok...my evening is also planned | 12:13 |
| \sh | meeting with sherif at 3pm, visiting saturn at hansaplatz, meeting up with george and some nice relaxing time and brain resetting time in cologne :) | 12:13 |
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| ogra | \sh, send greetings to them.... | 12:14 |
| \sh | ogra: will do :) | 12:14 |
| ogra | great :) | 12:15 |
| \sh | ogra: he wanted to make a suprise visit to egypt this weekend...but he couldn't find a back flight for sunday :( | 12:15 |
| \sh | ogra: u know that he is engaged now? | 12:15 |
| ogra | george ? | 12:16 |
| \sh | ogra: sherif | 12:16 |
| ogra | oh, i thought he was married already | 12:17 |
| \sh | ogra: no...he went onto holiday to egypt visiting family and came back engaged :) | 12:17 |
| ogra | heh | 12:17 |
| \sh | ogra: his fiance will come to germany in 3 months...:) they want to go and marry here in .de :) he's so cute right now ;) | 12:18 |
| ogra | hehe | 12:18 |
| ogra | my best whishes := | 12:18 |
| ogra | :) | 12:18 |
| \sh | ah and greetings from bran :) | 12:19 |
| \sh | i forgot | 12:19 |
| ogra | how is he with his new job ? | 12:20 |
| \sh | and bran said: congrats ... original quote: "I knew Oliver would make it just like he wanted to" :) | 12:20 |
| ogra | heh | 12:20 |
| \sh | ogra: he's busy ... 3 days in rosenheim, 2 days in duesseldorf and then one week in israel | 12:20 |
| ogra | fun | 12:21 |
| \sh | he's travelling a lot...but he's quite happy with it... | 12:21 |
| \sh | last time he was visiting ISH as a bigband consultant ;) | 12:21 |
| DanielN | building hoary chroot now :) | 12:21 |
| \sh | i need to find out how i can make 2 pbuilder envs one for breezy and one for hoary ;) | 12:23 |
| \sh | ogra: and if u need a new nifty nice vacuum without those filter bags...praktiker has one for 29.95 1600W :) I bought one yesterday | 12:24 |
| DanielN | first i must understand how pbuilder works ... | 12:24 |
| \sh | hmm...njam packaged for breezy | 12:25 |
| \sh | who is responsible for MOTUGames? | 12:26 |
| \sh | siretart? | 12:26 |
| ogra | yep | 12:26 |
| \sh | ah nice :) | 12:26 |
| \sh | siretart: ping :) | 12:26 |
| HiddenWolf | \sh, it's saturday, be nice | 12:27 |
| \sh | ogra: i'm closing all cxx trans bugs for the packages compiled successfully on all archs...is it ok? | 12:27 |
| ogra | absolutely | 12:27 |
| \sh | ogra: thx | 12:28 |
| \sh | HiddenWolf: come on...it's saturday, it's damn hot outside..what's best to sit in front of your computer and working...with a nice bottle of beer next to u ;) | 12:28 |
| HiddenWolf | \sh, wish I could. I've got a corporate finance exam coming up. | 12:29 |
| \sh | HiddenWolf: uh...nasty | 12:29 |
| HiddenWolf | 26 degrees inside, and I'm trying to focus on a book. :P | 12:29 |
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| herve | morning! | 12:30 |
| DanielN | damn .. want to have a lap so i could sit on the terrass | 12:34 |
| \sh | hey herve | 12:34 |
| === \sh would like to be in paris now...sitting on the stairs of scare coeur, drinking red wine, and listening to those guys playing guitar ;) | ||
| ogra | scare coeur, hmmm | 12:36 |
| \sh | sacre ;) | 12:36 |
| ogra | who are they scring ? | 12:36 |
| ogra | scaring even :) | 12:36 |
| DanielN | sorry i know it's hot today, but one little question: i updated pbuilder to breezy now .. and what am i doing next? :) | 12:36 |
| \sh | hello to my friend freud ;) | 12:36 |
| \sh | DanielN: sudo pbuilder build <your package>.dsc | 12:37 |
| \sh | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PbuilderHowto | 12:37 |
| herve | paris by this time? breathing pollution and ozon... | 12:37 |
| \sh | if you don't have it: cd <your debianized source tree> ; debuild -S ; cd .. | 12:37 |
| === herve will climb a moutain and breath from here ;-) | ||
| \sh | herve: i don't mind...nice girls, small belts ;) | 12:38 |
| \sh | herve: where r u living in france? | 12:38 |
| DanielN | and then pbuilder build package.dsc ? | 12:38 |
| \sh | yepp | 12:38 |
| herve | \sh, grenoble | 12:38 |
| herve | although my whois says nice :-) | 12:38 |
| \sh | herve: grenoble? | 12:39 |
| \sh | herve: i think grenoble is a partner city of dortmund | 12:39 |
| \sh | we had some exchange students from grenoble some time :) | 12:39 |
| herve | I don't see much german students here | 12:40 |
| herve | mostly americans | 12:41 |
| \sh | herve: sorry..it wasn't dortmund, it was essen-steele :) | 12:45 |
| \sh | another city where I was living and going to school :) | 12:45 |
| herve | it's near the french frontier no? | 12:45 |
| \sh | no..it's in the heart of northrhine-westfalia | 12:45 |
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| herve | essen was telling me something | 12:46 |
| \sh | it's twin-city of grenoble | 12:47 |
| herve | yes you told :-) | 12:47 |
| \sh | i think the "helene-lange-realschule" was establishing a student exchange with grenoble long time ago | 12:47 |
| herve | but I was not born in grenoble | 12:47 |
| herve | my home city is a twin city of boblingen | 12:48 |
| \sh | funny thing is, why i'm always confused with essen and dortmund :) dortmund is my birth place..in essen I was living for 5 years, and went to the "helene-lange-realschule"..after this school time, I moved back to dortmund-hombruch and was visiting the "helene-lange-gymnasium" ;) | 12:48 |
| herve | I can understand you're confusing, I do ;-) | 12:49 |
| === chris_haare_ab is now known as Chris | ||
| \sh | at my age, it's allright ;) | 12:51 |
| \sh | hmm..strange | 12:57 |
| \sh | my cpu is changing freqs when it's getting to hot | 12:57 |
| siretart | \sh: pong | 12:57 |
| \sh | but it shouldn't | 12:57 |
| \sh | siretart: nice to see u | 12:57 |
| \sh | siretart: have a package for MOTUGames | 12:58 |
| siretart | \sh: :) - what is it? | 12:58 |
| ogra | \sh, why shouldnt it ? | 12:58 |
| tseng | hi | 12:58 |
| \sh | ogra: because i disabled speed change in bios | 12:58 |
| \sh | siretart: njam | 12:58 |
| siretart | it's way too hot here.. just came back from a friend helped moving.. puh | 12:59 |
| ogra | \sh, did you also disable powernowd ? | 12:59 |
| ogra | \sh, you know that the BIOS is ignored by linux... | 12:59 |
| \sh | siretart: that "fitness" i had yesterday | 12:59 |
| \sh | http://njam.sourceforge.net/ | 12:59 |
| \sh | ogra: i don't think so | 12:59 |
| ogra | \sh, powernowd cares for the frequency and voltage | 12:59 |
| \sh | uhh... | 01:00 |
| ogra | man powernowd | 01:00 |
| siretart | \sh: looks great. how did you get attention to that game? | 01:00 |
| ogra | you can adjust the OPTIONS= line in /etc/init.d/powernowd and just restart it | 01:00 |
| \sh | siretart: ubuntu-de...someone wrote a "howto" install the precompiled binary on ubuntuusers | 01:00 |
| Chris | \sh, i know who it was :D | 01:01 |
| siretart | ah, they are asing for help someone doing a package.. let's see. | 01:01 |
| \sh | Chris: ah :) | 01:01 |
| \sh | siretart: wait..i'll upload it to my webpage | 01:01 |
| \sh | siretart: you can take it over it's compiled successfully on breezy i386 | 01:01 |
| \sh | siretart: and I will report to upstream that there is a ubuntu package.. | 01:02 |
| ogra | siretart, where is your first upload, we're waiting ;) | 01:02 |
| \sh | Chris: u see, it's done :) | 01:02 |
| Chris | :) | 01:02 |
| \sh | ah yes, siretart key is added ;) | 01:02 |
| DanielN | mhm .. shouldn't gpg 1.4.x be used with pbuilder ? | 01:03 |
| ogra | DanielN, pbuilder doesnt use gpg at all, you sign the _source_ before you run pbuilder | 01:04 |
| siretart | ogra: I just got home and I'm sweating like a warhhog.. relax :) | 01:04 |
| \sh | DanielN: debuild -S is asking for your key..not pbuilder | 01:04 |
| DanielN | ogra: ok. but why i see then packages, signed with gpg 1.4 outside? | 01:04 |
| ogra | siretart, sad, then i'll miss your first one .... | 01:04 |
| siretart | I'm on my way | 01:05 |
| ogra | siretart, i'm on my way to the train... to stuttgart | 01:05 |
| Nafallo | hmm, shouldn't serpentine depend on libnautilus-burn-dev? | 01:05 |
| \sh | siretart: i saw warthogs in their natural enviroment :) | 01:06 |
| Nafallo | or atleast libnautilus-burn2 | 01:06 |
| siretart | ok. keychain uploaded | 01:06 |
| ogra | Nafallo, nope, on libnautilus-burn-python (or however its called) | 01:06 |
| ogra | which in turn should depend on it | 01:06 |
| Nafallo | ogra: hmm, it doesn't. | 01:07 |
| ogra | Nafallo, i'll look into it as soon as i'm back from guadec | 01:07 |
| Nafallo | ogra: k | 01:07 |
| ogra | Nafallo, i want to proote it to main in the default desktop | 01:07 |
| siretart | \sh: ah great. will you upload njam then or do you want me to look at it first? | 01:07 |
| Nafallo | ogra: yay! :-) | 01:07 |
| ogra | prmote even | 01:07 |
| ogra | ARGH !! | 01:08 |
| ogra | pro mo te | 01:08 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 01:08 |
| \sh | siretart: it will be a new package...it has to be reviewed | 01:08 |
| Amaranth | what ever happened to mono getting into main? | 01:08 |
| \sh | siretart: but you can have a look at it :) http://ubuntu.linux-server.org/?path=njam | 01:08 |
| === Nafallo can't find that pythonpackage either ;-) | ||
| \sh | siretart: i will have a second test build on hoary...to check if it's running without any hassle...or if I have to adjust a bit on the package | 01:09 |
| Nafallo | python-nautilus? | 01:09 |
| Amaranth | and/or can i build my own libdbus-cil that works? | 01:09 |
| ogra | Nafallo, look at the serpentine homepage.... | 01:10 |
| Nafallo | ogra: k. the pythonthingie you talked about isn't packaged yet I guess then ;) | 01:10 |
| ogra | Amaranth, nope, not anymore | 01:10 |
| Amaranth | it's not happening or i can't build my own? | 01:11 |
| ogra | Nafallo, since people alredy burn with it, it must be there | 01:11 |
| siretart | hm. how to tell dput to also upload the orig.tar.gz? | 01:12 |
| ogra | debuild -S -sa | 01:12 |
| ogra | if you build the source package | 01:12 |
| elmo | or just use an ftp client by hand and upload it | 01:12 |
| siretart | ah. thanks | 01:12 |
| Nafallo | ogra: if you say so. I can't find it with apt-cache anyway ;-) | 01:12 |
| ogra | Nafallo, its included in python2.4-gnome2-extras | 01:13 |
| ogra | (libnautilus-burn-python) | 01:13 |
| Nafallo | ogra: ahh, doh :-). | 01:13 |
| ogra | Nafallo, apt-cache show python2.4-gnome2-extras | 01:14 |
| ogra | ;) | 01:14 |
| ogra | libnautilus-burn1 | 01:14 |
| ogra | <-- shower | 01:15 |
| Nafallo | that's why it can't find my empty cd ;-) | 01:15 |
| siretart | I also fixed "rlog" (CXX Trasition): https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11222. Are this 'transition' uploads reviewed first, or may I proceed with uploading? | 01:19 |
| siretart | I dont want to do anything wrong | 01:19 |
| \sh | siretart: attach the debdiff output to the bug entry | 01:21 |
| \sh | debdiff <origpackage>.dsc <newubunturevwithrenaming>.dsc > <package>.diff | 01:22 |
| siretart | \sh: http://siretart.tauware.de/ubuntu-packages/rlog/patch | 01:22 |
| siretart | but will also attach to the report | 01:22 |
| \sh | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11183 take it as an example | 01:22 |
| \sh | so doko or we can take a look on the patch itself | 01:23 |
| Amaranth | what do you do if it's an application? | 01:23 |
| \sh | Amaranth: i think they will be uploaded automatically after all libs are in the tree | 01:23 |
| Amaranth | fix the compiler errors, fix the dependencies, and upload a new ubuntuX version? | 01:24 |
| \sh | Amaranth: but there r some kde stuff which has to be altered manually | 01:24 |
| Amaranth | ah | 01:24 |
| siretart | \sh: ok. will do | 01:24 |
| Amaranth | how far along are the libs? | 01:24 |
| Amaranth | i know universe just got a massive ammount of c2 libs all of the sudden | 01:24 |
| siretart | Amaranth: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CxxLibraryList is the current status, I think | 01:25 |
| Amaranth | like one day it seemed that people weren't even trying, the next about 100 libs were showing as New In Repository in synaptic | 01:25 |
| Amaranth | who should i hug for that? :) | 01:25 |
| \sh | Amaranth: http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/22-Breaking-News-python-kde3-and-CXX-Transition.html | 01:26 |
| Amaranth | doko did it? | 01:28 |
| \sh | siretart: check comment on your diff :) | 01:28 |
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| Amaranth | awesome! | 01:29 |
| siretart | gnarf. thanks | 01:30 |
| \sh | siretart: and see, i just found a bug in njam package ;) | 01:30 |
| siretart | \sh: the Makefile for njam seems to be b0rked | 01:30 |
| \sh | siretart: well...yes, i will make a patch and include DESTDIR magic and fix some symlinks stuff | 01:32 |
| Amaranth | are there any numbers (percent done, etc) or should i do a little screenscraping and come up with them? | 01:32 |
| siretart | \sh: I think the makefile itself should be rewritten. it installs levels and datafils to /usr/games/... | 01:34 |
| \sh | doing it right now :) | 01:35 |
| siretart | \sh: Better would be to install data and game files either to /usr/{share,lib}/njam, and let /usr/games/njam just be a shell wrapper, as supposed | 01:35 |
| \sh | siretart: check /usr/games | 01:35 |
| \sh | all gnome games are laying there | 01:35 |
| \sh | oh no..only the bins | 01:36 |
| siretart | jepp | 01:36 |
| \sh | so u mean: /usr/share/njam/* ? | 01:37 |
| siretart | depending whether the are architecture independent or not | 01:38 |
| siretart | if architecture depending, it must go to /usr/lib/njam. and now lets hope the binary accepts that | 01:38 |
| \sh | splitting up the package into arch and arch-indep? | 01:38 |
| siretart | no. that would make thinks only more complicated as needed, imho | 01:38 |
| \sh | ok...letme check the data files...and I will do a testbuild on hoary, only to see if it's running as expected | 01:39 |
| \sh | ok, the data are indep... | 01:40 |
| siretart | gnarf. the binary expect data relative to itself | 01:41 |
| \sh | what? | 01:41 |
| \sh | fck...u r right | 01:41 |
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| \sh | i'll have to patch the source | 01:41 |
| \sh | hmmm | 01:42 |
| siretart | look at njam.cpp, line 87 | 01:42 |
| \sh | yeah..saw it | 01:42 |
| \sh | nasty | 01:42 |
| \sh | ok..what about this | 01:43 |
| siretart | wah, now i understand (after thinking 2minutes about it) | 01:44 |
| siretart | that code "guesses" the location of the binary inspecting argv[0] | 01:44 |
| siretart | gnarf | 01:45 |
| siretart | lets replace that with a simple 'chdir("/usr/share/njam/");' | 01:46 |
| \sh | siretart: hmmm | 01:46 |
| DanielN | \sh: your local apt repo howto doesn't work here | 01:46 |
| \sh | siretart: what about njam.h: #define UBUNTU_GAMES_DATA_DIR "/usr/share/njam/" | 01:47 |
| \sh | and put this constant in front of the fopens | 01:47 |
| \sh | or to be more flexible | 01:47 |
| siretart | \sh: that would be bloat the patch. better "chdir(DATA_DIR);" and #define that | 01:48 |
| \sh | #define UBUNTU_GAMES_DATA_DIR "@gamesdatalocation@" and in debian/rules i make a sed -e 's/\@gamesdatalocation\@/\/usr\/share\/games\//' | 01:48 |
| \sh | DanielN: what? | 01:48 |
| \sh | DanielN: please comment on the page, what went wrong :) | 01:49 |
| DanielN | if i want upload, packages went to incoming.. and no packages.gz and sources.gz and so on is created .. | 01:49 |
| \sh | DanielN: then something is wrong :) | 01:49 |
| \sh | DanielN: check debian/changelog if it's the right distribution | 01:49 |
| DanielN | it is | 01:49 |
| DanielN | breezy | 01:49 |
| \sh | DanielN: mini-dinstall configured? | 01:50 |
| DanielN | yep | 01:50 |
| \sh | hmm..here it's working fine...:( | 01:50 |
| DanielN | this message happens: Not running dinstall. | 01:50 |
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| DanielN | \sh: *lol* found it .. i wrote "archiv" instead of +e :) | 01:53 |
| \sh | DanielN: *phew* | 01:53 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | => http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaloneUniverseWishList <= | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by thom at Wed May 18 12:22:17 2005 | ||
| (Nafallo/#ubuntu-motu) !seen xine-amd64-user-with-mp3soundfiles | 04:05 | |
| (siretart/#ubuntu-motu) Is anyone using a thinkpad with breezy here? I reanabled xosd support and would like to have it tested. I tested it with recompiling on hoary, here, it works | 04:05 | |
| === Nafallo adds: running breezy | ||
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| DanielN | are there any howtows, to build from CVS ? | 04:34 |
| siretart | DanielN: well. there are a lot of tutorials on using cvs in the web | 04:36 |
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| ivoks | hola | 04:37 |
| siretart | hi ivoks | 04:41 |
| ivoks | hi | 04:43 |
| ivoks | just washed my focus, put glycerin on tiers... it shines like a star... ready for trip tomorrow :) | 04:43 |
| ivoks | three babes and me :) | 04:44 |
| ivoks | hm.. i din't get response from mako yet... :( | 04:44 |
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| DanielN | ***Error***: You must have automake >= 1.6 installed | 06:12 |
| DanielN | to build resapplet. | 06:12 |
| DanielN | :( | 06:12 |
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| ivoks | hi | 06:58 |
| DanielN | \sh you're a really bad reviewer ;) | 07:25 |
| siretart | DanielN: I made other observations ;) | 07:38 |
| ivoks | :) | 07:38 |
| ivoks | siretart: are you motu? :) | 07:38 |
| ivoks | damn... so much people uses wifi-radar in hoary | 07:40 |
| ivoks | and it still isn't aproved for breezy :( | 07:40 |
| ivoks | that makes me sad :( | 07:40 |
| siretart | ivoks: since a few days. shall I review your package? | 07:45 |
| ivoks | yeah :) | 07:46 |
| ivoks | please... | 07:46 |
| siretart | ivoks: where is your source package? | 07:46 |
| ivoks | i'm still waiting mako's approval of my membership... :( | 07:46 |
| ivoks | siretart: www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu | 07:46 |
| ivoks | siretart: wifi-radar | 07:46 |
| tseng | have you been to the CC? | 07:46 |
| tseng | mako cant approve you by himself | 07:46 |
| tseng | he can only check off your signed CoC | 07:47 |
| ivoks | i was | 07:47 |
| ivoks | i got status | 07:47 |
| ivoks | i signed CoC and send it over email to him | 07:47 |
| ivoks | kamion and elmo agreed :) | 07:48 |
| ivoks | maybe i did something wrong :( | 07:48 |
| tseng | it sounds like you are already approved.. | 07:48 |
| siretart | is this a NEW package? | 07:48 |
| ivoks | siretart: yes | 07:49 |
| ivoks | tseng: ok :) | 07:49 |
| ivoks | tseng: i tought he will reply or something... | 07:49 |
| tseng | no | 07:49 |
| ivoks | ok then :) | 07:49 |
| ivoks | tseng: so, as member, what privliges i get? :)) | 07:51 |
| tseng | you can vouche for new members at CC | 07:51 |
| ivoks | ok, that's nice | 07:51 |
| tseng | someday there is supposed to be @ubuntu.com mail forwards for members | 07:52 |
| tseng | who knows | 07:52 |
| ivoks | nice :) | 07:52 |
| ivoks | siretart: so...? it's small package :) | 07:56 |
| siretart | ivoks: still looking at it :) | 07:56 |
| siretart | I'm note quite happy about the copyright statement | 07:57 |
| ivoks | why? | 07:57 |
| siretart | but this is rather an upstream issue. Have a look at this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/12/msg00007.html | 07:57 |
| ivoks | ah, i should put whole GPL in it? :) | 07:57 |
| siretart | no! a reference is much better | 07:58 |
| tseng | well | 07:58 |
| tseng | a reference is much better if the file is already existing on a base debian install | 07:58 |
| siretart | upstream should read the section "HOW TO APPLY THE GPL" | 07:58 |
| siretart | but IANAL | 07:58 |
| siretart | hm. "default" interface is eth2, yes? | 07:59 |
| ivoks | yes | 07:59 |
| siretart | hm. so the user would have to edit the config file for setting it to his real divcename. | 08:00 |
| siretart | for me that would be ath0, for my GF it would be eth1. | 08:00 |
| ivoks | yes, i'm thinking to add gui option for that | 08:00 |
| ivoks | or... | 08:00 |
| ivoks | it should ask while installing | 08:00 |
| siretart | I'm also thinking how to improve this.. | 08:01 |
| siretart | asking for default value using debconf would be the options of choice in debian, I think | 08:01 |
| ivoks | yeah.. | 08:01 |
| siretart | in ubuntu, i'm not sure.. | 08:01 |
| ivoks | app runs as root | 08:02 |
| ivoks | so it shouldn't alove to much freedom :) | 08:02 |
| ivoks | alove?! omg.. allow | 08:02 |
| ivoks | so, in ubuntu, we don't ask anything with debhelper? | 08:04 |
| tseng | we try not to ask questions in packages in base install | 08:04 |
| ivoks | i guess i could do a preinstall script that will run iwconfig to find out wifi-card | 08:04 |
| siretart | thats what I'm thinking of | 08:04 |
| tseng | or in desktop | 08:04 |
| siretart | I'm thinking about a regex for auto detection | 08:04 |
| ivoks | yeah | 08:04 |
| ivoks | with iwconfig | 08:05 |
| ivoks | so it would have predepend on iwconfig | 08:05 |
| ivoks | it would run in and find out what interface user is using | 08:05 |
| ivoks | any objections? :) | 08:05 |
| siretart | better let's get that discussed on #ubuntu-devel | 08:06 |
| ivoks | ok | 08:06 |
| siretart | I really like your package. It is really a great contribution to ubuntu | 08:07 |
| ivoks | :) ok, not that great :) | 08:07 |
| ivoks | i like it so i tought... let's make a package | 08:07 |
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| ivoks | ok... i could do autodetection before it loads | 08:08 |
| ivoks | i could implement that in wifi-radar.sh | 08:08 |
| ivoks | wich is in menu | 08:08 |
| ivoks | iwconfig 2> /dev/null | grep IEEE | cut -d' ' -f1 | 08:09 |
| siretart | and what happens if 2 wifi cards are installed? | 08:10 |
| ivoks | it should use only one | 08:10 |
| ivoks | first one | 08:10 |
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| ivoks | and if user desiers another one, then he will need to change config | 08:10 |
| herve | re | 08:11 |
| ivoks | or... just to configure it while installing | 08:11 |
| ivoks | hi herve | 08:11 |
| ivoks | but, that's not ubuntu way :) | 08:11 |
| siretart | hm. thats right. wicked.. | 08:11 |
| ivoks | ok, i'll figure out something later | 08:12 |
| ivoks | and i will upload revision | 08:12 |
| ivoks | ok? | 08:12 |
| ivoks | then you'll look it again | 08:13 |
| ivoks | btw, i did copyright file | 08:13 |
| ivoks | it isn't in source package... | 08:13 |
| ivoks | siretart: what should i change? | 08:13 |
| tseng | oh, i got my hoary cds today | 08:13 |
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| siretart | ivoks: I dont really see any grave mistakes in your package. | 08:15 |
| siretart | ivoks: have any other motus reviewd it yet? | 08:17 |
| herve | tseng, where are you located, roughly? | 08:18 |
| tseng | Philly, PA | 08:18 |
| tseng | very roughly | 08:18 |
| herve | siretart, his wifi tool? | 08:19 |
| siretart | yeah | 08:19 |
| herve | tseng, I guess it means united states? (that's why I didn't ask for details ;-)) | 08:19 |
| tseng | yes | 08:19 |
| herve | siretart, last time I reviewed it, it was ok for me | 08:19 |
| herve | but I guess it has changed a lot | 08:19 |
| siretart | herve: I just looked at it, I also think its nice | 08:20 |
| siretart | are there any ppc users/motus here? | 08:21 |
| herve | not me | 08:21 |
| herve | but a mac mini, some day... hmm :-) | 08:22 |
| siretart | :) | 08:23 |
| siretart | I uploaded vcdimager, and It got autobuilt on amd64 and i386, not on ppc | 08:23 |
| siretart | because the testsuite failed! | 08:23 |
| siretart | and comparing with the buildlogs from debian, I dont see why it fails :( | 08:24 |
| ivoks | herve: didn't change anything, but will now | 08:27 |
| ivoks | :) | 08:27 |
| ivoks | herve: it will discover wifi interface and configure it self for it | 08:28 |
| herve | more ubuntu compliant? :-) | 08:28 |
| ivoks | so.. should i change revision or leave it as inital release? | 08:28 |
| ivoks | yeah, more "for dummies" :) | 08:28 |
| herve | hmm... | 08:28 |
| ivoks | don't get me wrong :) | 08:29 |
| herve | it doesn't really matter since your package never ended in an official repository | 08:29 |
| ivoks | ok | 08:29 |
| herve | but if some users are already using it | 08:29 |
| ivoks | then it will stay official relase | 08:29 |
| herve | it would be "honest" to bump the version | 08:29 |
| ivoks | ok :) | 08:29 |
| herve | and with 0ubuntu1 | 08:30 |
| herve | for the package | 08:30 |
| ivoks | i'll be honest then | 08:30 |
| ivoks | gr... i created postinst script and how do i call it from rules? | 08:32 |
| ivoks | i'm looking at example, but it's with cdbs :( | 08:32 |
| siretart | dont call postinst yourself, let dpkg call it for you | 08:32 |
| ivoks | so i just create script? | 08:33 |
| ivoks | it will call it automagicaly? | 08:33 |
| ivoks | :) | 08:33 |
| herve | at install | 08:34 |
| herve | +time | 08:34 |
| ivoks | ? | 08:35 |
| herve | ! | 08:35 |
| tseng | $ | 08:36 |
| siretart | jupp | 08:36 |
| herve | ivoks: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/MaintainerScripts | 08:38 |
| herve | not easy to search on their site | 08:38 |
| ivoks | all right, it works :) | 08:40 |
| ivoks | new version uploaded | 08:41 |
| ivoks | hm... | 08:42 |
| ivoks | one more change... | 08:42 |
| herve | hehe | 08:42 |
| ivoks | /etc/wifi-radar.sh should have 600 permissons | 08:42 |
| ivoks | not 644 | 08:42 |
| ivoks | s/sh/conf | 08:42 |
| siretart | ivoks: why? are passwords saved there? | 08:43 |
| herve | a script with no executable bit? | 08:43 |
| ivoks | herve: it's .conf, not .sh :) | 08:43 |
| ivoks | siretart: keys for WEP | 08:44 |
| siretart | ah, well. thats right.. | 08:44 |
| ivoks | hm.. | 08:46 |
| ivoks | i should change perm in postinst? | 08:46 |
| ivoks | i can't do that with rules? | 08:46 |
| siretart | ivoks: ah, that brings me a suggestion | 08:46 |
| siretart | ivoks: I dont think that /etc/wifi-radar.sh should be a conffile | 08:47 |
| ivoks | :) | 08:47 |
| siretart | ivoks: it is a configuration file, but not a conffile | 08:47 |
| ivoks | its /etc/wifi-radar.conf | 08:47 |
| siretart | argl, I'm talking about /etc/wifi-radar.conf | 08:47 |
| ivoks | wifi-radar has profiles | 08:47 |
| siretart | so it should imo not be installed via debian/rules but via postinst | 08:47 |
| ivoks | it stores profiles in that dir | 08:47 |
| ivoks | ah... ok... | 08:48 |
| siretart | do you understand the difference? | 08:48 |
| ivoks | not really... | 08:48 |
| ivoks | :) | 08:48 |
| ivoks | confflie are files with something allready in it? | 08:48 |
| siretart | (im not really sure if I got it right). Basically it differs when it comes to upgrades: | 08:48 |
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| ivoks | siretart: right! | 08:48 |
| ivoks | upgrade will not erase conffile | 08:49 |
| ivoks | that's right | 08:49 |
| siretart | when dpkg sees that the new package having the file, it will ask the user what to do | 08:49 |
| ivoks | hm.. wifi-radar.conf must not be changed! | 08:49 |
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| ivoks | because all profiles are in it | 08:49 |
| siretart | in this specific case, we (persumably) always want to preserve the user edited config file | 08:49 |
| ivoks | siretart: that's why it has to be in rules | 08:50 |
| siretart | ivoks: ok, then thats clear. /etc/wifi-radar.conf MUST NOT be installed via debian/rules | 08:50 |
| ivoks | wait... | 08:50 |
| ivoks | it i put it in postinst | 08:50 |
| ivoks | it will be erased | 08:50 |
| ivoks | if it stays in rules, it will ask user what to do | 08:50 |
| ivoks | and not overwrite it | 08:50 |
| siretart | but these dpkg interruptions are really annoying. | 08:51 |
| ivoks | ok, i could check for file before copying... | 08:51 |
| siretart | I think this is handled somewhere in the debian policy | 08:51 |
| ivoks | no! it stays in rules | 08:51 |
| ivoks | if i put new feauters in that file | 08:52 |
| ivoks | i wouldn't be able to implement them | 08:52 |
| ivoks | via dpkg, it will suggest diff, overwrite or leave it as is | 08:52 |
| siretart | the configure part should be able to convert the current config to the new format, if necessary | 08:53 |
| ivoks | or u'm thinking wrong? | 08:53 |
| siretart | there was recently some discussion on debian-mentors, I think | 08:53 |
| siretart | about this | 08:53 |
| ivoks | well... ok | 08:53 |
| ivoks | it's big chance i wouldn't add anything to that file | 08:53 |
| ivoks | it will allways be possible to insert it via sed | 08:54 |
| ivoks | under global | 08:54 |
| ivoks | ok, it goes in postinst | 08:54 |
| siretart | this thread might be relevant: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/10/msg00128.html | 08:55 |
| siretart | afk - brb | 08:55 |
| ivoks | for now, let it be in rules... | 08:58 |
| ivoks | in another revision i will consider something else | 08:58 |
| siretart | right | 08:59 |
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| siretart | lets here some comments from more experienced maintainers | 08:59 |
| herve | sometimes I woner | 09:01 |
| herve | wonder if conffiles are an official feature | 09:02 |
| herve | the policy only cites it once | 09:02 |
| herve | and no index | 09:02 |
| siretart | herve: I never understood this dpkg conffile handling correctly, too | 09:02 |
| ivoks | look! people in #ubuntu.hr :) O M G! :) | 09:03 |
| siretart | that means, I know what dpkg does with conffiles. but I'm not sure about all consequences | 09:03 |
| siretart | ivoks: sorry, I dont speak your language ;) I'm also having problems reading a hungarian street map ;) | 09:04 |
| ivoks | :) | 09:04 |
| ivoks | hm... that's very bad postinst script :( | 09:04 |
| ivoks | echo "interface=$WLAN" >> /etc/wifi-radar.conf | 09:04 |
| ivoks | this just isn't right... | 09:04 |
| herve | at first, check if it is not already defined | 09:05 |
| herve | remember maintainer scripts must be run several times without incident | 09:05 |
| ivoks | it has set -e | 09:07 |
| ivoks | something else bothers me... | 09:07 |
| ivoks | if there allready is wifi-radar.conf | 09:08 |
| ivoks | this should be initial release | 09:08 |
| ivoks | oh... damn... i'm confused | 09:08 |
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| ivoks | bye | 10:29 |
| siretart | bye ivoks | 10:29 |
| crimmy | l8r | 10:29 |
| herve | have a nice trip | 10:29 |
| ivoks | thanx :) | 10:30 |
| siretart | well, http://www.uk.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s-config-files is the relevant section of the policy for conffiles | 10:52 |
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| ivoks | ok :) | 11:02 |
| ivoks | me again :) | 11:02 |
| ivoks | siretart: i changed wifi-radar | 11:02 |
| siretart | ivoks: http://www.uk.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s-config-files is the relevant section in the policy, I looked it up for you | 11:03 |
| siretart | re btw ;) | 11:03 |
| ivoks | then it's configuration file, not conffile | 11:05 |
| siretart | yeah | 11:05 |
| ivoks | The maintainer scripts must not alter a conffile of any package, including the one the scripts belong to. | 11:05 |
| ivoks | that's it... | 11:05 |
| ivoks | ok, then this version of wifi-radar package is final | 11:06 |
| siretart | ivoks: yes, thats gonna make upgrades more convinient | 11:13 |
| ivoks | yeah | 11:14 |
| ivoks | and if i need to append or inster/change something | 11:14 |
| ivoks | it's easily with sed | 11:14 |
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| MarioOs | hello | 11:15 |
| ivoks | bok :) | 11:15 |
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| ivoks | MarioOs: we are at ubuntu-hr now | 11:16 |
| MarioOs | english only, please | 11:16 |
| ivoks | is this turkish? :) | 11:16 |
| MarioOs | yup, turkish it is | 11:16 |
| siretart | ivoks: I never used it before, but I think ucf could be handy here | 11:16 |
| MarioOs | why not hr.ubuntu | 11:16 |
| ivoks | siretart: step by step :) | 11:17 |
| siretart | ivoks: :) | 11:18 |
| ivoks | so, you are fine with package? | 11:29 |
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| ivoks | heh... | 11:30 |
| ivoks | fluxbox guy | 11:30 |
| MarioOs | whats wrong with fluxbox | 11:30 |
| ivoks | bye all | 11:30 |
| ivoks | see you tomorrow | 11:30 |
| MarioOs | bye | 11:30 |
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