[12:01] wth, I need an account to see a forum? [12:01] http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=180&c=5 [12:01] check this one :) [12:02] herve: yeah :( [12:02] dholbach not coming back... [12:03] thanks for link .. i should register first ;) [12:04] wait [12:04] second link is ok [12:04] i can upload pics... [12:04] ahh [12:04] second is my wallpaper :) [12:04] :) [12:04] ok, I saw 264 [12:05] quite nice [12:05] would be better without the ubuntu branding ;-) [12:05] http://u4.eset.com/download/lms/nod32lms-2.15-1.i386.deb [12:05] they even have .deb package :) [12:05] mhm .. it's ok for me ;) [12:09] time to go to bed [12:09] that suspens is killing me! [12:09] night ivoks [12:09] :)) [12:09] mhm .. freesleepers inside ;) [12:09] argh .. [12:09] herve: what's with X? [12:10] I *really* want it repaired :-) [12:11] too late, end of the song [12:11] ++ [12:14] attempting to sleep too ;) [12:14] good night all === dholbach [~daniel@td9091b46.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:15] grmbl [12:16] what were those funky font symlinks i had to make? [12:17] hm no.. the fonts are in order [12:19] brb === GheRivero [~ghe@81.172.89.145] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [~daniel@td9091b46.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:21] IT WORKS! [12:21] :) === JanC [~janc@JanC.member.lugwv] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:48] good night everyone === schweeb__ [~chris@216.139.8.4] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.98.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HiddenWolf moans about mono debs [01:13] HiddenWolf, see topic [01:14] That's why I do it. ;) === HiddenWolf grins === HiddenWolf wouldn't know mono if it slapped him in the face === HiddenWolf gives ogra a big hug of appreciation, then goes to find his bed to sober up [01:19] rage. [01:20] ogra: do you have a howto on writing manpages? [01:20] my boo deb needs three [01:20] write them in docbook, and use docbook2man? [01:20] I think that's what dholbach suggested at one point [01:20] i dont speak docbook either [01:21] oh well [01:21] tseng, take te .ex file and check it with man -l [01:22] the .ex from debhelper? [01:22] ok.. [01:23] manpage.xml.ex nice [01:23] or any other manpage... [01:24] bwa, sections [01:24] i have a compiler, a shell, and an interpreter.. [01:24] all 5? [01:25] man man ? [01:26] oh [01:26] section 1 [01:28] ogra: great, I see you spoke to herve about MOTUPython :) [01:28] thanks, I hadn't seen him round [01:33] eh its easier imo just to use the manpage.1.ex [01:33] @ ajmitch === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.101.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:08] ajmitch, nice :) you filled the page === ogra welcomes the new Python teamleader === ajmitch was coerced :P [02:10] heh [02:11] herve can have the job if he wants :) [02:11] unless we have another big transition there shouldn't be as much coordinating to do [02:12] probably [02:12] lets see what happens :) [02:13] the edubuntu guys have some interest, they were the ones that asked several times about the python team [02:13] either way I'll hopefully have spare time for ubuntu after this week :) [02:13] :) [02:14] yes, I'd better upload those c++ libs that are approved & fix the others :) === schweeb [~chris@216.139.8.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === schweeb__ [~chris@216.139.8.4] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch_ [~ajmitch@port162-41.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === schweeb [~chris@216.139.8.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:46] \sh, you pinged? === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [~user@202.172.110.107] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [~mgalvin@cpe-69-205-46-35.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === schweeb__ [~chris@216.139.8.4] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [~tritium@12-202-89-11.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [~jaldhar@pcp09354467pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:43] \sh, if you need to contact me, you can email me at corey.burger@gmail.com === womble [~mpalmer@eth1859.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === schweeb [~chris@216.139.8.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === schweeb__ [~chris@216.139.8.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [~mgalvin@cpe-69-205-46-35.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:37] hi all [06:37] 'lo [06:38] so to start my semi trial by fire I am trying out building ogre which lead me to have to instll nvidia-cg-toolkit [06:39] i built a deb of it from the rpm... first has anyone else already done this, if not would anyone be interested in trying it out [06:40] I don't know of anyone else having done as much, but be sure to note your progress on the wiki [06:40] i have the nvidia cgc deb and will hopefully have an ogre deb soon [06:41] mgalvin: what is it? [06:41] the nvidia compile and runtime [06:41] at http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cg_toolkit.html [06:42] it is one of the packages ogre uses [06:43] interesting [06:46] as an aspiring maintainer, i would love feedback on this stuff if anyone has spare time to take a look [06:46] I am putting the nvidia-cg-toolkit deb on my webserver now, uploading... [06:48] the stuff I have been (and will be) trying out is at [06:48] http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/ubuntu/packages/hoary/i386/ [06:48] if anyone is interesting in taking a peek [07:10] l8r all [07:31] anyone ever read on lisp by paul graham? [07:33] parts, I need to reread it [07:37] lisp is pretty cool [07:37] it certainly has its uses [07:38] please don't say AI or "expert systems" ;) [07:39] those are the classically cited ones, yes ;) [07:39] gah === schweeb [~chris@216.139.8.4] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:20] <\sh> morning [08:28] <\sh> siretart: added === janm [~user@202.172.110.27] has joined #ubuntu-motu === schweeb__ [~chris@216.139.8.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:47] <\sh> strike dar build successfully on i386, ppc, amd64 and ia64..my first upload worked ;) === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveaz [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DanielN [~kodiak@80-218-243-68.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dahane [~dahane@c221122.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === schweeb [~chris@216.139.8.4] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chris [~chris@ACB19A2C.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:25] Accepted dar 2.2.1-1ubuntu2 (source) [11:25] woah [11:26] applause \sh !! === Amaranth added another totally awesome feature to smeg :) [11:26] little up and down arrows next to the menus and entries to allow you to change their position === dahane [~dahane@d012037.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:28] is pbuilder really the only thing i need to build a breezy chroot for building packages ? === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-1000.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:29] <\sh> yeah [11:30] <\sh> ogra: and dar and libibtk compiled on _all_ archs, i'm really happy about it :) [11:31] nice [11:31] but what is dar? :) [11:31] darcs? [11:31] \sh, be aware, you'll mutate to the upload bitch for the next days [11:33] <\sh> ogra: first i will resolv all my packages ;) [11:33] <\sh> ogra: but u can review qinx ;) === schweeb__ [~chris@216.139.8.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth jumps up and down [11:33] am i here? :) [11:34] <\sh> haha [11:34] Amaranth, apt-cache show dar [11:34] ah... [11:34] its boring... [11:34] <\sh> Amaranth: don't bother about dar..i don't know what this thing is doing...i'm compiling only and trying to fix.. ;) [11:34] bacula is the best backup system [11:34] \sh, its a backup tool [11:35] <\sh> ogra: well..ok :) [11:35] <\sh> coffee now :) [11:35] ogra: if you are bored, you could review my package :) [11:35] and maybe upload it :) [11:35] <\sh> ogra: I just went shopping at 9:00am..and when I came back i was wet as hell...this weather is not normal [11:36] \sh: wet as hell :) hot as icecube :) [11:36] hey guys, i'm just preparing my trip to GUADEC.... (probably i'll pull down some packages to review offline on the train) [11:36] lol [11:37] hehe [11:37] you could review mine... it's simple :) [11:37] ogra: Trying to catch up to seb? [11:37] that wifi-radar is there for ages :) === Amaranth wonders how long it will take to get smeg into universe [11:38] Amaranth, naah... i'm not a packaging king, will never be as good as him.... [11:39] ogra: Just package lots of Python things, some of those can be 5 line cdbs scripts. [11:39] I mean some of those can only take 5 line cdbs scripts. [11:44] <\sh> ah...the first coffee of the day === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.101.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Danten [~danten@h212n6c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chris is now known as chris_haare_ab === ogra [~ogra@p5089DDE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:12] <\sh> re ogra [12:13] <\sh> ok...my evening is also planned [12:13] <\sh> meeting with sherif at 3pm, visiting saturn at hansaplatz, meeting up with george and some nice relaxing time and brain resetting time in cologne :) === susus [~sz@p5089DDE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:14] \sh, send greetings to them.... [12:14] <\sh> ogra: will do :) [12:15] great :) [12:15] <\sh> ogra: he wanted to make a suprise visit to egypt this weekend...but he couldn't find a back flight for sunday :( [12:15] <\sh> ogra: u know that he is engaged now? [12:16] george ? [12:16] <\sh> ogra: sherif [12:17] oh, i thought he was married already [12:17] <\sh> ogra: no...he went onto holiday to egypt visiting family and came back engaged :) [12:17] heh [12:18] <\sh> ogra: his fiance will come to germany in 3 months...:) they want to go and marry here in .de :) he's so cute right now ;) [12:18] hehe [12:18] my best whishes := [12:18] :) [12:19] <\sh> ah and greetings from bran :) [12:19] <\sh> i forgot [12:20] how is he with his new job ? [12:20] <\sh> and bran said: congrats ... original quote: "I knew Oliver would make it just like he wanted to" :) [12:20] heh [12:20] <\sh> ogra: he's busy ... 3 days in rosenheim, 2 days in duesseldorf and then one week in israel [12:21] fun [12:21] <\sh> he's travelling a lot...but he's quite happy with it... [12:21] <\sh> last time he was visiting ISH as a bigband consultant ;) [12:21] building hoary chroot now :) [12:23] <\sh> i need to find out how i can make 2 pbuilder envs one for breezy and one for hoary ;) [12:24] <\sh> ogra: and if u need a new nifty nice vacuum without those filter bags...praktiker has one for 29.95 1600W :) I bought one yesterday [12:24] first i must understand how pbuilder works ... [12:25] <\sh> hmm...njam packaged for breezy [12:26] <\sh> who is responsible for MOTUGames? [12:26] <\sh> siretart? [12:26] yep [12:26] <\sh> ah nice :) [12:26] <\sh> siretart: ping :) [12:27] \sh, it's saturday, be nice [12:27] <\sh> ogra: i'm closing all cxx trans bugs for the packages compiled successfully on all archs...is it ok? [12:27] absolutely [12:28] <\sh> ogra: thx [12:28] <\sh> HiddenWolf: come on...it's saturday, it's damn hot outside..what's best to sit in front of your computer and working...with a nice bottle of beer next to u ;) [12:29] \sh, wish I could. I've got a corporate finance exam coming up. [12:29] <\sh> HiddenWolf: uh...nasty [12:29] 26 degrees inside, and I'm trying to focus on a book. :P === herve [~hcauwelie@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:30] morning! [12:34] damn .. want to have a lap so i could sit on the terrass [12:34] <\sh> hey herve === \sh would like to be in paris now...sitting on the stairs of scare coeur, drinking red wine, and listening to those guys playing guitar ;) [12:36] scare coeur, hmmm [12:36] <\sh> sacre ;) [12:36] who are they scring ? [12:36] scaring even :) [12:36] sorry i know it's hot today, but one little question: i updated pbuilder to breezy now .. and what am i doing next? :) [12:36] <\sh> hello to my friend freud ;) [12:37] <\sh> DanielN: sudo pbuilder build .dsc [12:37] <\sh> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PbuilderHowto [12:37] paris by this time? breathing pollution and ozon... [12:37] <\sh> if you don't have it: cd ; debuild -S ; cd .. === herve will climb a moutain and breath from here ;-) [12:38] <\sh> herve: i don't mind...nice girls, small belts ;) [12:38] <\sh> herve: where r u living in france? [12:38] and then pbuilder build package.dsc ? [12:38] <\sh> yepp [12:38] \sh, grenoble [12:38] although my whois says nice :-) [12:39] <\sh> herve: grenoble? [12:39] <\sh> herve: i think grenoble is a partner city of dortmund [12:39] <\sh> we had some exchange students from grenoble some time :) [12:40] I don't see much german students here [12:41] mostly americans [12:45] <\sh> herve: sorry..it wasn't dortmund, it was essen-steele :) [12:45] <\sh> another city where I was living and going to school :) [12:45] it's near the french frontier no? [12:45] <\sh> no..it's in the heart of northrhine-westfalia === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:46] essen was telling me something [12:47] <\sh> it's twin-city of grenoble [12:47] yes you told :-) [12:47] <\sh> i think the "helene-lange-realschule" was establishing a student exchange with grenoble long time ago [12:47] but I was not born in grenoble [12:48] my home city is a twin city of boblingen [12:48] <\sh> funny thing is, why i'm always confused with essen and dortmund :) dortmund is my birth place..in essen I was living for 5 years, and went to the "helene-lange-realschule"..after this school time, I moved back to dortmund-hombruch and was visiting the "helene-lange-gymnasium" ;) [12:49] I can understand you're confusing, I do ;-) === chris_haare_ab is now known as Chris [12:51] <\sh> at my age, it's allright ;) [12:57] <\sh> hmm..strange [12:57] <\sh> my cpu is changing freqs when it's getting to hot [12:57] \sh: pong [12:57] <\sh> but it shouldn't [12:57] <\sh> siretart: nice to see u [12:58] <\sh> siretart: have a package for MOTUGames [12:58] \sh: :) - what is it? [12:58] \sh, why shouldnt it ? [12:58] hi [12:58] <\sh> ogra: because i disabled speed change in bios [12:58] <\sh> siretart: njam [12:59] it's way too hot here.. just came back from a friend helped moving.. puh [12:59] \sh, did you also disable powernowd ? [12:59] \sh, you know that the BIOS is ignored by linux... [12:59] <\sh> siretart: that "fitness" i had yesterday [12:59] <\sh> http://njam.sourceforge.net/ [12:59] <\sh> ogra: i don't think so [12:59] \sh, powernowd cares for the frequency and voltage [01:00] <\sh> uhh... [01:00] man powernowd [01:00] \sh: looks great. how did you get attention to that game? [01:00] you can adjust the OPTIONS= line in /etc/init.d/powernowd and just restart it [01:00] <\sh> siretart: ubuntu-de...someone wrote a "howto" install the precompiled binary on ubuntuusers [01:01] \sh, i know who it was :D [01:01] ah, they are asing for help someone doing a package.. let's see. [01:01] <\sh> Chris: ah :) [01:01] <\sh> siretart: wait..i'll upload it to my webpage [01:01] <\sh> siretart: you can take it over it's compiled successfully on breezy i386 [01:02] <\sh> siretart: and I will report to upstream that there is a ubuntu package.. [01:02] siretart, where is your first upload, we're waiting ;) [01:02] <\sh> Chris: u see, it's done :) [01:02] :) [01:02] <\sh> ah yes, siretart key is added ;) [01:03] mhm .. shouldn't gpg 1.4.x be used with pbuilder ? [01:04] DanielN, pbuilder doesnt use gpg at all, you sign the _source_ before you run pbuilder [01:04] ogra: I just got home and I'm sweating like a warhhog.. relax :) [01:04] <\sh> DanielN: debuild -S is asking for your key..not pbuilder [01:04] ogra: ok. but why i see then packages, signed with gpg 1.4 outside? [01:04] siretart, sad, then i'll miss your first one .... [01:05] I'm on my way [01:05] siretart, i'm on my way to the train... to stuttgart [01:05] hmm, shouldn't serpentine depend on libnautilus-burn-dev? [01:06] <\sh> siretart: i saw warthogs in their natural enviroment :) [01:06] or atleast libnautilus-burn2 [01:06] ok. keychain uploaded [01:06] Nafallo, nope, on libnautilus-burn-python (or however its called) [01:06] which in turn should depend on it [01:07] ogra: hmm, it doesn't. [01:07] Nafallo, i'll look into it as soon as i'm back from guadec [01:07] ogra: k [01:07] Nafallo, i want to proote it to main in the default desktop [01:07] \sh: ah great. will you upload njam then or do you want me to look at it first? [01:07] ogra: yay! :-) [01:07] prmote even [01:08] ARGH !! [01:08] pro mo te [01:08] hehe [01:08] <\sh> siretart: it will be a new package...it has to be reviewed [01:08] what ever happened to mono getting into main? [01:08] <\sh> siretart: but you can have a look at it :) http://ubuntu.linux-server.org/?path=njam === Nafallo can't find that pythonpackage either ;-) [01:09] <\sh> siretart: i will have a second test build on hoary...to check if it's running without any hassle...or if I have to adjust a bit on the package [01:09] python-nautilus? [01:09] and/or can i build my own libdbus-cil that works? [01:10] Nafallo, look at the serpentine homepage.... [01:10] ogra: k. the pythonthingie you talked about isn't packaged yet I guess then ;) [01:10] Amaranth, nope, not anymore [01:11] it's not happening or i can't build my own? [01:11] Nafallo, since people alredy burn with it, it must be there [01:12] hm. how to tell dput to also upload the orig.tar.gz? [01:12] debuild -S -sa [01:12] if you build the source package [01:12] or just use an ftp client by hand and upload it [01:12] ah. thanks [01:12] ogra: if you say so. I can't find it with apt-cache anyway ;-) [01:13] Nafallo, its included in python2.4-gnome2-extras [01:13] (libnautilus-burn-python) [01:13] ogra: ahh, doh :-). [01:14] Nafallo, apt-cache show python2.4-gnome2-extras [01:14] ;) [01:14] libnautilus-burn1 [01:15] <-- shower [01:15] that's why it can't find my empty cd ;-) [01:19] I also fixed "rlog" (CXX Trasition): https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11222. Are this 'transition' uploads reviewed first, or may I proceed with uploading? [01:19] I dont want to do anything wrong [01:21] <\sh> siretart: attach the debdiff output to the bug entry [01:22] <\sh> debdiff .dsc .dsc > .diff [01:22] \sh: http://siretart.tauware.de/ubuntu-packages/rlog/patch [01:22] but will also attach to the report [01:22] <\sh> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11183 take it as an example [01:23] <\sh> so doko or we can take a look on the patch itself [01:23] what do you do if it's an application? [01:23] <\sh> Amaranth: i think they will be uploaded automatically after all libs are in the tree [01:24] fix the compiler errors, fix the dependencies, and upload a new ubuntuX version? [01:24] <\sh> Amaranth: but there r some kde stuff which has to be altered manually [01:24] ah [01:24] \sh: ok. will do [01:24] how far along are the libs? [01:24] i know universe just got a massive ammount of c2 libs all of the sudden [01:25] Amaranth: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CxxLibraryList is the current status, I think [01:25] like one day it seemed that people weren't even trying, the next about 100 libs were showing as New In Repository in synaptic [01:25] who should i hug for that? :) [01:26] <\sh> Amaranth: http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/22-Breaking-News-python-kde3-and-CXX-Transition.html [01:28] doko did it? [01:28] <\sh> siretart: check comment on your diff :) === Amaranth hugs doko [01:29] awesome! [01:30] gnarf. thanks [01:30] <\sh> siretart: and see, i just found a bug in njam package ;) [01:30] \sh: the Makefile for njam seems to be b0rked [01:32] <\sh> siretart: well...yes, i will make a patch and include DESTDIR magic and fix some symlinks stuff [01:32] are there any numbers (percent done, etc) or should i do a little screenscraping and come up with them? [01:34] \sh: I think the makefile itself should be rewritten. it installs levels and datafils to /usr/games/... [01:35] <\sh> doing it right now :) [01:35] \sh: Better would be to install data and game files either to /usr/{share,lib}/njam, and let /usr/games/njam just be a shell wrapper, as supposed [01:35] <\sh> siretart: check /usr/games [01:35] <\sh> all gnome games are laying there [01:36] <\sh> oh no..only the bins [01:36] jepp [01:37] <\sh> so u mean: /usr/share/njam/* ? [01:38] depending whether the are architecture independent or not [01:38] if architecture depending, it must go to /usr/lib/njam. and now lets hope the binary accepts that [01:38] <\sh> splitting up the package into arch and arch-indep? [01:38] no. that would make thinks only more complicated as needed, imho [01:39] <\sh> ok...letme check the data files...and I will do a testbuild on hoary, only to see if it's running as expected [01:40] <\sh> ok, the data are indep... [01:41] gnarf. the binary expect data relative to itself [01:41] <\sh> what? [01:41] <\sh> fck...u r right === schweeb [~chris@216.139.8.4] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:41] <\sh> i'll have to patch the source [01:42] <\sh> hmmm [01:42] look at njam.cpp, line 87 [01:42] <\sh> yeah..saw it [01:42] <\sh> nasty [01:43] <\sh> ok..what about this [01:44] wah, now i understand (after thinking 2minutes about it) [01:44] that code "guesses" the location of the binary inspecting argv[0] [01:45] gnarf [01:46] lets replace that with a simple 'chdir("/usr/share/njam/");' [01:46] <\sh> siretart: hmmm [01:46] \sh: your local apt repo howto doesn't work here [01:47] <\sh> siretart: what about njam.h: #define UBUNTU_GAMES_DATA_DIR "/usr/share/njam/" [01:47] <\sh> and put this constant in front of the fopens [01:47] <\sh> or to be more flexible [01:48] \sh: that would be bloat the patch. better "chdir(DATA_DIR);" and #define that [01:48] <\sh> #define UBUNTU_GAMES_DATA_DIR "@gamesdatalocation@" and in debian/rules i make a sed -e 's/\@gamesdatalocation\@/\/usr\/share\/games\//' [01:48] <\sh> DanielN: what? [01:49] <\sh> DanielN: please comment on the page, what went wrong :) [01:49] if i want upload, packages went to incoming.. and no packages.gz and sources.gz and so on is created .. [01:49] <\sh> DanielN: then something is wrong :) [01:49] <\sh> DanielN: check debian/changelog if it's the right distribution [01:49] it is [01:49] breezy [01:50] <\sh> DanielN: mini-dinstall configured? [01:50] yep [01:50] <\sh> hmm..here it's working fine...:( [01:50] this message happens: Not running dinstall. === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax8-116.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:53] \sh: *lol* found it .. i wrote "archiv" instead of +e :) [01:53] <\sh> DanielN: *phew* === ubuntulog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | => http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaloneUniverseWishList <= | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by thom at Wed May 18 12:22:17 2005 [04:05] (Nafallo/#ubuntu-motu) !seen xine-amd64-user-with-mp3soundfiles [04:05] (siretart/#ubuntu-motu) Is anyone using a thinkpad with breezy here? I reanabled xosd support and would like to have it tested. I tested it with recompiling on hoary, here, it works === Nafallo adds: running breezy === schweeb__ [~chris@216.139.8.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Danten [~danten@h22n12c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:34] are there any howtows, to build from CVS ? [04:36] DanielN: well. there are a lot of tutorials on using cvs in the web === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0658.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:37] hola [04:41] hi ivoks [04:43] hi [04:43] just washed my focus, put glycerin on tiers... it shines like a star... ready for trip tomorrow :) [04:44] three babes and me :) [04:44] hm.. i din't get response from mako yet... :( === schweeb [~chris@216.139.8.4] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JanC [~janc@JanC.member.lugwv] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dahane [~dahane@d035233.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === motaboy [~motaboy@host88-41.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:12] ***Error***: You must have automake >= 1.6 installed [06:12] to build resapplet. [06:12] :( === schweeb__ [~chris@216.139.8.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueyed [~daniel@i528C3920.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0658.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:58] hi [07:25] \sh you're a really bad reviewer ;) [07:38] DanielN: I made other observations ;) [07:38] :) [07:38] siretart: are you motu? :) [07:40] damn... so much people uses wifi-radar in hoary [07:40] and it still isn't aproved for breezy :( [07:40] that makes me sad :( [07:45] ivoks: since a few days. shall I review your package? [07:46] yeah :) [07:46] please... [07:46] ivoks: where is your source package? [07:46] i'm still waiting mako's approval of my membership... :( [07:46] siretart: www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu [07:46] siretart: wifi-radar [07:46] have you been to the CC? [07:46] mako cant approve you by himself [07:47] he can only check off your signed CoC [07:47] i was [07:47] i got status [07:47] i signed CoC and send it over email to him [07:48] kamion and elmo agreed :) [07:48] maybe i did something wrong :( [07:48] it sounds like you are already approved.. [07:48] is this a NEW package? [07:49] siretart: yes [07:49] tseng: ok :) [07:49] tseng: i tought he will reply or something... [07:49] no [07:49] ok then :) [07:51] tseng: so, as member, what privliges i get? :)) [07:51] you can vouche for new members at CC [07:51] ok, that's nice [07:52] someday there is supposed to be @ubuntu.com mail forwards for members [07:52] who knows [07:52] nice :) [07:56] siretart: so...? it's small package :) [07:56] ivoks: still looking at it :) [07:57] I'm note quite happy about the copyright statement [07:57] why? [07:57] but this is rather an upstream issue. Have a look at this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/12/msg00007.html [07:57] ah, i should put whole GPL in it? :) [07:58] no! a reference is much better [07:58] well [07:58] a reference is much better if the file is already existing on a base debian install [07:58] upstream should read the section "HOW TO APPLY THE GPL" [07:58] but IANAL [07:59] hm. "default" interface is eth2, yes? [07:59] yes [08:00] hm. so the user would have to edit the config file for setting it to his real divcename. [08:00] for me that would be ath0, for my GF it would be eth1. [08:00] yes, i'm thinking to add gui option for that [08:00] or... [08:00] it should ask while installing [08:01] I'm also thinking how to improve this.. [08:01] asking for default value using debconf would be the options of choice in debian, I think [08:01] yeah.. [08:01] in ubuntu, i'm not sure.. [08:02] app runs as root [08:02] so it shouldn't alove to much freedom :) [08:02] alove?! omg.. allow [08:04] so, in ubuntu, we don't ask anything with debhelper? [08:04] we try not to ask questions in packages in base install [08:04] i guess i could do a preinstall script that will run iwconfig to find out wifi-card [08:04] thats what I'm thinking of [08:04] or in desktop [08:04] I'm thinking about a regex for auto detection [08:04] yeah [08:05] with iwconfig [08:05] so it would have predepend on iwconfig [08:05] it would run in and find out what interface user is using [08:05] any objections? :) [08:06] better let's get that discussed on #ubuntu-devel [08:06] ok [08:07] I really like your package. It is really a great contribution to ubuntu [08:07] :) ok, not that great :) [08:07] i like it so i tought... let's make a package === janm [~user@202.172.110.217] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tseng test builds a mono with nptl for upload [08:08] ok... i could do autodetection before it loads [08:08] i could implement that in wifi-radar.sh [08:08] wich is in menu [08:09] iwconfig 2> /dev/null | grep IEEE | cut -d' ' -f1 [08:10] and what happens if 2 wifi cards are installed? [08:10] it should use only one [08:10] first one === herve [~hcauwelie@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:10] and if user desiers another one, then he will need to change config [08:11] re [08:11] or... just to configure it while installing [08:11] hi herve [08:11] but, that's not ubuntu way :) [08:11] hm. thats right. wicked.. [08:12] ok, i'll figure out something later [08:12] and i will upload revision [08:12] ok? [08:13] then you'll look it again [08:13] btw, i did copyright file [08:13] it isn't in source package... [08:13] siretart: what should i change? [08:13] oh, i got my hoary cds today === doko [~doko___@dsl-082-082-209-220.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:15] ivoks: I dont really see any grave mistakes in your package. [08:17] ivoks: have any other motus reviewd it yet? [08:18] tseng, where are you located, roughly? [08:18] Philly, PA [08:18] very roughly [08:19] siretart, his wifi tool? [08:19] yeah [08:19] tseng, I guess it means united states? (that's why I didn't ask for details ;-)) [08:19] yes [08:19] siretart, last time I reviewed it, it was ok for me [08:19] but I guess it has changed a lot [08:20] herve: I just looked at it, I also think its nice [08:21] are there any ppc users/motus here? [08:21] not me [08:22] but a mac mini, some day... hmm :-) [08:23] :) [08:23] I uploaded vcdimager, and It got autobuilt on amd64 and i386, not on ppc [08:23] because the testsuite failed! [08:24] and comparing with the buildlogs from debian, I dont see why it fails :( [08:27] herve: didn't change anything, but will now [08:27] :) [08:28] herve: it will discover wifi interface and configure it self for it [08:28] more ubuntu compliant? :-) [08:28] so.. should i change revision or leave it as inital release? [08:28] yeah, more "for dummies" :) [08:28] hmm... [08:29] don't get me wrong :) [08:29] it doesn't really matter since your package never ended in an official repository [08:29] ok [08:29] but if some users are already using it [08:29] then it will stay official relase [08:29] it would be "honest" to bump the version [08:29] ok :) [08:30] and with 0ubuntu1 [08:30] for the package [08:30] i'll be honest then [08:32] gr... i created postinst script and how do i call it from rules? [08:32] i'm looking at example, but it's with cdbs :( [08:32] dont call postinst yourself, let dpkg call it for you [08:33] so i just create script? [08:33] it will call it automagicaly? [08:33] :) [08:34] at install [08:34] +time [08:35] ? [08:35] ! [08:36] $ [08:36] jupp [08:38] ivoks: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/MaintainerScripts [08:38] not easy to search on their site [08:40] all right, it works :) [08:41] new version uploaded [08:42] hm... [08:42] one more change... [08:42] hehe [08:42] /etc/wifi-radar.sh should have 600 permissons [08:42] not 644 [08:42] s/sh/conf [08:43] ivoks: why? are passwords saved there? [08:43] a script with no executable bit? [08:43] herve: it's .conf, not .sh :) [08:44] siretart: keys for WEP [08:44] ah, well. thats right.. [08:46] hm.. [08:46] i should change perm in postinst? [08:46] i can't do that with rules? [08:46] ivoks: ah, that brings me a suggestion [08:47] ivoks: I dont think that /etc/wifi-radar.sh should be a conffile [08:47] :) [08:47] ivoks: it is a configuration file, but not a conffile [08:47] its /etc/wifi-radar.conf [08:47] argl, I'm talking about /etc/wifi-radar.conf [08:47] wifi-radar has profiles [08:47] so it should imo not be installed via debian/rules but via postinst [08:47] it stores profiles in that dir [08:48] ah... ok... [08:48] do you understand the difference? [08:48] not really... [08:48] :) [08:48] confflie are files with something allready in it? [08:48] (im not really sure if I got it right). Basically it differs when it comes to upgrades: === herve checking the policy for a reminder [08:48] siretart: right! [08:49] upgrade will not erase conffile [08:49] that's right [08:49] when dpkg sees that the new package having the file, it will ask the user what to do [08:49] hm.. wifi-radar.conf must not be changed! === ozamosi [~ozamosi@80.252.171.200] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:49] because all profiles are in it [08:49] in this specific case, we (persumably) always want to preserve the user edited config file [08:50] siretart: that's why it has to be in rules [08:50] ivoks: ok, then thats clear. /etc/wifi-radar.conf MUST NOT be installed via debian/rules [08:50] wait... [08:50] it i put it in postinst [08:50] it will be erased [08:50] if it stays in rules, it will ask user what to do [08:50] and not overwrite it [08:51] but these dpkg interruptions are really annoying. [08:51] ok, i could check for file before copying... [08:51] I think this is handled somewhere in the debian policy [08:51] no! it stays in rules [08:52] if i put new feauters in that file [08:52] i wouldn't be able to implement them [08:52] via dpkg, it will suggest diff, overwrite or leave it as is [08:53] the configure part should be able to convert the current config to the new format, if necessary [08:53] or u'm thinking wrong? [08:53] there was recently some discussion on debian-mentors, I think [08:53] about this [08:53] well... ok [08:53] it's big chance i wouldn't add anything to that file [08:54] it will allways be possible to insert it via sed [08:54] under global [08:54] ok, it goes in postinst [08:55] this thread might be relevant: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/10/msg00128.html [08:55] afk - brb [08:58] for now, let it be in rules... [08:58] in another revision i will consider something else [08:59] right === |QuaD-_ [~QuaD@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:59] lets here some comments from more experienced maintainers [09:01] sometimes I woner [09:02] wonder if conffiles are an official feature [09:02] the policy only cites it once [09:02] and no index [09:02] herve: I never understood this dpkg conffile handling correctly, too [09:03] look! people in #ubuntu.hr :) O M G! :) [09:03] that means, I know what dpkg does with conffiles. but I'm not sure about all consequences [09:04] ivoks: sorry, I dont speak your language ;) I'm also having problems reading a hungarian street map ;) [09:04] :) [09:04] hm... that's very bad postinst script :( [09:04] echo "interface=$WLAN" >> /etc/wifi-radar.conf [09:04] this just isn't right... [09:05] at first, check if it is not already defined [09:05] remember maintainer scripts must be run several times without incident [09:07] it has set -e [09:07] something else bothers me... [09:08] if there allready is wifi-radar.conf [09:08] this should be initial release [09:08] oh... damn... i'm confused === |QuaD- [~QuaD@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === |QuaD-_ [~QuaD@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crimmy [~dtchen@c24.180.151.44.roc.mn.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kas11 [~kas11@193-63.73-24.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === schweeb [~chris@216.139.8.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:29] bye [10:29] bye ivoks [10:29] l8r [10:29] have a nice trip [10:30] thanx :) [10:52] well, http://www.uk.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s-config-files is the relevant section of the policy for conffiles === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0658.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:02] ok :) [11:02] me again :) [11:02] siretart: i changed wifi-radar [11:03] ivoks: http://www.uk.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s-config-files is the relevant section in the policy, I looked it up for you [11:03] re btw ;) [11:05] then it's configuration file, not conffile [11:05] yeah [11:05] The maintainer scripts must not alter a conffile of any package, including the one the scripts belong to. [11:05] that's it... [11:06] ok, then this version of wifi-radar package is final [11:13] ivoks: yes, thats gonna make upgrades more convinient [11:14] yeah [11:14] and if i need to append or inster/change something [11:14] it's easily with sed === MarioOs [~chatzilla@cmung1291.cmu.carnet.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:15] hello [11:15] bok :) === Mithrandir [~tfheen@vawad.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:16] MarioOs: we are at ubuntu-hr now [11:16] english only, please [11:16] is this turkish? :) [11:16] yup, turkish it is [11:16] ivoks: I never used it before, but I think ucf could be handy here [11:16] why not hr.ubuntu [11:17] siretart: step by step :) [11:18] ivoks: :) [11:29] so, you are fine with package? === jeff25 [jeff@c-67-190-87-74.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:30] heh... [11:30] fluxbox guy [11:30] whats wrong with fluxbox [11:30] bye all [11:30] see you tomorrow [11:30] bye === schweeb__ [~chris@216.139.8.4] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kas11 [~kas11@193-63.73-24.tampabay.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["I]