[12:01] <herve> wth, I need an account to see a forum?
[12:01] <ivoks> http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=180&c=5
[12:01] <ivoks> check this one :)
[12:02] <ivoks> herve: yeah :(
[12:02] <herve> dholbach not coming back...
[12:03] <DanielN> thanks for link .. i should register first ;)
[12:04] <ivoks> wait
[12:04] <herve> second link is ok
[12:04] <ivoks> i can upload pics...
[12:04] <DanielN> ahh
[12:04] <ivoks> second is my wallpaper :)
[12:04] <DanielN> :)
[12:04] <herve> ok, I saw 264
[12:05] <herve> quite nice
[12:05] <herve> would be better without the ubuntu branding ;-)
[12:05] <ivoks> http://u4.eset.com/download/lms/nod32lms-2.15-1.i386.deb
[12:05] <ivoks> they even have .deb package :)
[12:05] <DanielN> mhm .. it's ok for me ;)
[12:09] <ivoks> time to go to bed
[12:09] <herve> that suspens is killing me!
[12:09] <herve> night ivoks
[12:09] <ivoks> :))
[12:09] <DanielN> mhm .. freesleepers inside ;)
[12:09] <DanielN> argh ..
[12:09] <ivoks> herve: what's with X?
[12:10] <herve> I *really* want it repaired :-)
[12:11] <herve> too late, end of the song
[12:11] <herve> ++
[12:14] <DanielN> attempting to sleep too ;)
[12:14] <DanielN> good night all
[12:15] <dholbach> grmbl
[12:16] <dholbach> what were those funky font symlinks i had to make?
[12:17] <dholbach> hm no.. the fonts are in order
[12:19] <dholbach> brb
[12:21] <dholbach> IT WORKS!
[12:21] <dholbach> :)
[12:48] <dholbach> good night everyone
[01:13] <ogra> HiddenWolf, see topic
[01:14] <HiddenWolf> That's why I do it. ;)
[01:19] <tseng> rage.
[01:20] <tseng> ogra: do you have a howto on writing manpages?
[01:20] <tseng> my boo deb needs three
[01:20] <ajmitch> write them in docbook, and use docbook2man?
[01:20] <ajmitch> I think that's what dholbach suggested at one point
[01:20] <tseng> i dont speak docbook either
[01:21] <tseng> oh well
[01:21] <ogra> tseng, take te .ex file and check it with man -l <file>
[01:22] <tseng> the .ex from debhelper?
[01:22] <tseng> ok..
[01:23] <tseng> manpage.xml.ex nice
[01:23] <ogra> or any other manpage...
[01:24] <tseng> bwa, sections
[01:24] <tseng> i have a compiler, a shell, and an interpreter..
[01:24] <tseng> all 5?
[01:25] <ogra> man man ?
[01:26] <tseng> oh
[01:26] <tseng> section 1
[01:28] <ajmitch> ogra: great, I see you spoke to herve about MOTUPython :)
[01:28] <ajmitch> thanks, I hadn't seen him round
[01:33] <tseng> eh its easier imo just to use the manpage.1.ex
[01:33] <tseng> @ ajmitch
[02:08] <ogra> ajmitch, nice :) you filled the page
[02:10] <ogra> heh
[02:11] <ajmitch> herve can have the job if he wants :)
[02:11] <ajmitch> unless we have another big transition there shouldn't be as much coordinating to do
[02:12] <ogra> probably
[02:12] <ogra> lets see what happens :)
[02:13] <ogra> the edubuntu guys have some interest, they were the ones that asked several times about the python team
[02:13] <ajmitch> either way I'll hopefully have spare time for ubuntu after this week :)
[02:13] <ogra> :)
[02:14] <ajmitch> yes, I'd better upload those c++ libs that are approved & fix the others :)
[03:46] <Burgundavia> \sh, you pinged?
[04:43] <Burgundavia> \sh, if you need to contact me, you can email me at corey.burger@gmail.com
[06:37] <mgalvin> hi all
[06:37] <crimsun> 'lo
[06:38] <mgalvin> so to start my semi trial by fire I am trying out building ogre which lead me to have to instll nvidia-cg-toolkit
[06:39] <mgalvin> i built a deb of it from the rpm... first has anyone else already done this, if not would anyone be interested in trying it out
[06:40] <crimsun> I don't know of anyone else having done as much, but be sure to note your progress on the wiki
[06:40] <mgalvin> i have the nvidia cgc deb and will hopefully have an ogre deb soon
[06:41] <Lathiat> mgalvin: what is it?
[06:41] <mgalvin> the nvidia compile and runtime
[06:41] <mgalvin> at http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cg_toolkit.html
[06:42] <mgalvin> it is one of the packages ogre uses
[06:43] <Lathiat> interesting
[06:46] <mgalvin> as an aspiring maintainer, i would love feedback on this stuff if anyone has spare time to take a look
[06:46] <mgalvin> I am putting the nvidia-cg-toolkit deb on my webserver now, uploading...
[06:48] <mgalvin> the stuff I have been (and will be) trying out is at
[06:48] <mgalvin> http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/ubuntu/packages/hoary/i386/
[06:48] <mgalvin> if anyone is interesting in taking a peek
[07:10] <mgalvin> l8r all
[07:31] <chillywilly> anyone ever read on lisp by paul graham?
[07:33] <crimsun> parts, I need to reread it
[07:37] <chillywilly> lisp is pretty cool
[07:37] <crimsun> it certainly has its uses
[07:38] <chillywilly> please don't say AI or "expert systems" ;)
[07:39] <crimsun> those are the classically cited ones, yes ;)
[07:39] <chillywilly> gah
[08:20] <\sh> morning
[08:28] <\sh> siretart: added
[09:47] <\sh> strike dar build successfully on i386, ppc, amd64 and ia64..my first upload worked ;)
[11:25] <ogra> Accepted dar 2.2.1-1ubuntu2 (source)
[11:25] <ogra> woah
[11:26] <ogra> applause \sh !!
[11:26] <Amaranth> little up and down arrows next to the menus and entries to allow you to change their position
[11:28] <DanielN> is pbuilder really the only thing i need to build a breezy chroot for building packages ?
[11:29] <\sh> yeah
[11:30] <\sh> ogra: and dar and libibtk compiled on _all_ archs, i'm really happy about it :)
[11:31] <Amaranth> nice
[11:31] <Amaranth> but what is dar? :)
[11:31] <Amaranth> darcs?
[11:31] <ogra> \sh, be aware, you'll mutate to the upload bitch for the next days
[11:33] <\sh> ogra: first  i will resolv all my packages ;)
[11:33] <\sh> ogra: but u can review qinx ;)
[11:33] <Amaranth> am i here? :)
[11:34] <\sh> haha
[11:34] <ogra> Amaranth, apt-cache show dar
[11:34] <ivoks> ah...
[11:34] <ogra> its boring...
[11:34] <\sh> Amaranth: don't bother about dar..i don't know what this thing is doing...i'm compiling only and trying to fix.. ;)
[11:34] <ivoks> bacula is the best backup system
[11:34] <ogra> \sh, its a backup tool
[11:35] <\sh> ogra: well..ok :)
[11:35] <\sh> coffee now :)
[11:35] <ivoks> ogra: if you are bored, you could review my package :)
[11:35] <ivoks> and maybe upload it :)
[11:35] <\sh> ogra: I just went shopping at 9:00am..and when I came back i was wet as hell...this weather is not normal
[11:36] <ivoks> \sh: wet as hell :) hot as icecube :)
[11:36] <ogra> hey guys, i'm just preparing my trip to GUADEC.... (probably i'll pull down some packages to review offline on the train)
[11:36] <ogra> lol
[11:37] <ivoks> hehe
[11:37] <ivoks> you could review mine... it's simple :)
[11:37] <Amaranth> ogra: Trying to catch up to seb?
[11:37] <ivoks> that wifi-radar is there for ages :)
[11:38] <ogra> Amaranth, naah... i'm not a packaging king, will never be as good as him....
[11:39] <Amaranth> ogra: Just package lots of Python things, some of those can be 5 line cdbs scripts.
[11:39] <Amaranth> I mean some of those can only take 5 line cdbs scripts.
[11:44] <\sh> ah...the first coffee of the day
[12:12] <\sh> re ogra
[12:13] <\sh> ok...my evening is also planned
[12:13] <\sh> meeting with sherif at 3pm, visiting saturn at hansaplatz, meeting up with george and some nice relaxing time and brain resetting time in cologne :)
[12:14] <ogra> \sh, send greetings to them....
[12:14] <\sh> ogra: will do :)
[12:15] <ogra> great :)
[12:15] <\sh> ogra: he wanted to make a suprise visit to egypt this weekend...but he couldn't find a back flight for sunday :(
[12:15] <\sh> ogra: u know that he is engaged now?
[12:16] <ogra> george ?
[12:16] <\sh> ogra: sherif
[12:17] <ogra> oh, i thought he was married already
[12:17] <\sh> ogra: no...he went onto holiday to egypt visiting family and came back engaged :)
[12:17] <ogra> heh
[12:18] <\sh> ogra: his fiance will come to germany in 3 months...:) they want to go and marry here in .de :) he's so cute right now ;)
[12:18] <ogra> hehe
[12:18] <ogra> my best whishes :=
[12:18] <ogra> :)
[12:19] <\sh> ah and greetings from bran :)
[12:19] <\sh> i forgot
[12:20] <ogra> how is he with his new job ?
[12:20] <\sh> and bran said: congrats ... original quote: "I knew Oliver would make it just like he wanted to" :)
[12:20] <ogra> heh
[12:20] <\sh> ogra: he's busy ... 3 days in rosenheim, 2 days in duesseldorf and then one week in israel
[12:21] <ogra> fun
[12:21] <\sh> he's travelling a lot...but he's quite happy with it...
[12:21] <\sh> last time he was visiting ISH as a bigband consultant ;)
[12:21] <DanielN> building hoary chroot now :)
[12:23] <\sh> i need to find out how i can make 2 pbuilder envs one for breezy and one for hoary ;)
[12:24] <\sh> ogra: and if u need a new nifty nice vacuum without those filter bags...praktiker has one for 29.95  1600W :) I bought one yesterday
[12:24] <DanielN> first i must understand how pbuilder works ...
[12:25] <\sh> hmm...njam packaged for breezy
[12:26] <\sh> who is responsible for MOTUGames?
[12:26] <\sh> siretart?
[12:26] <ogra> yep
[12:26] <\sh> ah nice :)
[12:26] <\sh> siretart: ping :)
[12:27] <HiddenWolf> \sh, it's saturday, be nice
[12:27] <\sh> ogra: i'm closing all cxx trans bugs for the packages compiled successfully on all archs...is it ok?
[12:27] <ogra> absolutely
[12:28] <\sh> ogra: thx
[12:28] <\sh> HiddenWolf: come on...it's saturday, it's damn hot outside..what's best to sit in front of your computer and working...with a nice bottle of beer next to u ;)
[12:29] <HiddenWolf> \sh, wish I could. I've got a corporate finance exam coming up.
[12:29] <\sh> HiddenWolf: uh...nasty
[12:29] <HiddenWolf> 26 degrees inside, and I'm trying to focus on a book. :P
[12:30] <herve> morning!
[12:34] <DanielN> damn .. want to have a lap so i could sit on the terrass
[12:34] <\sh> hey herve
[12:36] <ogra> scare coeur, hmmm
[12:36] <\sh> sacre ;)
[12:36] <ogra> who are they scring ?
[12:36] <ogra> scaring even :)
[12:36] <DanielN> sorry i know it's hot today, but one little question: i updated pbuilder to breezy now .. and what am i doing next? :)
[12:36] <\sh> hello to my friend freud ;)
[12:37] <\sh> DanielN: sudo pbuilder build <your package>.dsc
[12:37] <\sh> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PbuilderHowto
[12:37] <herve> paris by this time? breathing pollution and ozon...
[12:37] <\sh> if you don't have it: cd <your debianized source tree> ; debuild -S ; cd ..
[12:38] <\sh> herve: i don't mind...nice girls, small belts ;)
[12:38] <\sh> herve: where r u living in france?
[12:38] <DanielN> and then pbuilder build package.dsc ?
[12:38] <\sh> yepp
[12:38] <herve> \sh, grenoble
[12:38] <herve> although my whois says nice :-)
[12:39] <\sh> herve: grenoble?
[12:39] <\sh> herve: i think grenoble is a partner city of dortmund
[12:39] <\sh> we had some exchange students from grenoble some time :)
[12:40] <herve> I don't see much german students here
[12:41] <herve> mostly americans
[12:45] <\sh> herve: sorry..it wasn't dortmund, it was essen-steele :)
[12:45] <\sh> another city where I was living and going to school :)
[12:45] <herve> it's near the french frontier no?
[12:45] <\sh> no..it's in the heart of northrhine-westfalia
[12:46] <herve> essen was telling me something
[12:47] <\sh> it's twin-city of grenoble
[12:47] <herve> yes you told :-)
[12:47] <\sh> i think the "helene-lange-realschule" was establishing a student exchange with grenoble long time ago
[12:47] <herve> but I was not born in grenoble
[12:48] <herve> my home city is a twin city of boblingen
[12:48] <\sh> funny thing is, why i'm always confused with essen and dortmund :) dortmund is my birth place..in essen I was living for 5 years, and went to the "helene-lange-realschule"..after this school time, I moved back to dortmund-hombruch and was visiting the "helene-lange-gymnasium" ;)
[12:49] <herve> I can understand you're confusing, I do ;-)
[12:51] <\sh> at my age, it's allright ;)
[12:57] <\sh> hmm..strange
[12:57] <\sh> my cpu is changing freqs when it's getting to hot
[12:57] <siretart> \sh: pong
[12:57] <\sh> but it shouldn't
[12:57] <\sh> siretart: nice to see u
[12:58] <\sh> siretart: have a package for MOTUGames
[12:58] <siretart> \sh: :) - what is it?
[12:58] <ogra> \sh, why shouldnt it ?
[12:58] <tseng> hi
[12:58] <\sh> ogra: because i disabled speed change in bios
[12:58] <\sh> siretart: njam
[12:59] <siretart> it's way too hot here.. just came back from a friend helped moving.. puh
[12:59] <ogra> \sh, did you also disable powernowd ?
[12:59] <ogra> \sh, you know that the BIOS is ignored by linux...
[12:59] <\sh> siretart: that "fitness" i had yesterday
[12:59] <\sh> http://njam.sourceforge.net/
[12:59] <\sh> ogra: i don't think so
[12:59] <ogra> \sh, powernowd cares for the frequency and voltage
[01:00] <\sh> uhh...
[01:00] <ogra> man powernowd
[01:00] <siretart> \sh: looks great. how did you get attention to that game?
[01:00] <ogra> you can adjust the OPTIONS= line in /etc/init.d/powernowd and just restart it
[01:00] <\sh> siretart: ubuntu-de...someone wrote a "howto" install the precompiled binary on ubuntuusers
[01:01] <Chris> \sh, i know who it was :D
[01:01] <siretart> ah, they are asing for help someone doing a package.. let's see.
[01:01] <\sh> Chris: ah :)
[01:01] <\sh> siretart: wait..i'll upload it to my webpage
[01:01] <\sh> siretart: you can take it over it's compiled successfully on breezy i386
[01:02] <\sh> siretart: and I will report to upstream that there  is a ubuntu package..
[01:02] <ogra> siretart, where is your first upload, we're waiting ;)
[01:02] <\sh> Chris: u see, it's done :)
[01:02] <Chris> :)
[01:02] <\sh> ah yes, siretart key is added ;)
[01:03] <DanielN> mhm .. shouldn't gpg 1.4.x be used with pbuilder ?
[01:04] <ogra> DanielN, pbuilder doesnt use gpg at all, you sign the _source_ before you run pbuilder
[01:04] <siretart> ogra: I just got home and I'm sweating like a warhhog.. relax  :)
[01:04] <\sh> DanielN: debuild -S is asking for your key..not pbuilder
[01:04] <DanielN> ogra: ok. but why i see then packages, signed with gpg 1.4 outside?
[01:04] <ogra> siretart, sad, then i'll miss your first one ....
[01:05] <siretart> I'm on my way
[01:05] <ogra> siretart, i'm on my way to the train... to stuttgart
[01:05] <Nafallo> hmm, shouldn't serpentine depend on libnautilus-burn-dev?
[01:06] <\sh> siretart: i saw warthogs in their natural enviroment :)
[01:06] <Nafallo> or atleast libnautilus-burn2
[01:06] <siretart> ok. keychain uploaded
[01:06] <ogra> Nafallo, nope, on libnautilus-burn-python (or however its called)
[01:06] <ogra> which in turn should depend on it
[01:07] <Nafallo> ogra: hmm, it doesn't.
[01:07] <ogra> Nafallo, i'll look into it as soon as i'm back from guadec
[01:07] <Nafallo> ogra: k
[01:07] <ogra> Nafallo, i want to proote it to main in the default desktop
[01:07] <siretart> \sh: ah great. will you upload njam then or do you want me to look at it first?
[01:07] <Nafallo> ogra: yay! :-)
[01:07] <ogra> prmote even
[01:08] <ogra> ARGH !!
[01:08] <ogra> pro mo te
[01:08] <Nafallo> hehe
[01:08] <\sh> siretart: it will be a new package...it has to be reviewed
[01:08] <Amaranth> what ever happened to mono getting into main?
[01:08] <\sh> siretart: but you can have a look at it :) http://ubuntu.linux-server.org/?path=njam
[01:09] <\sh> siretart: i will have a second test build on hoary...to check if it's running without any hassle...or if I have to adjust a bit on the package
[01:09] <Nafallo> python-nautilus?
[01:09] <Amaranth> and/or can i build my own libdbus-cil that works?
[01:10] <ogra> Nafallo, look at the serpentine homepage....
[01:10] <Nafallo> ogra: k. the pythonthingie you talked about isn't packaged yet I guess then ;)
[01:10] <ogra> Amaranth, nope, not anymore
[01:11] <Amaranth> it's not happening or i can't build my own?
[01:11] <ogra> Nafallo, since people alredy burn with it, it must be there
[01:12] <siretart> hm. how to tell dput to also upload the orig.tar.gz?
[01:12] <ogra> debuild -S -sa
[01:12] <ogra> if you build the source package
[01:12] <elmo> or just use an ftp client by hand and upload it
[01:12] <siretart> ah. thanks
[01:12] <Nafallo> ogra: if you say so. I can't find it with apt-cache anyway ;-)
[01:13] <ogra> Nafallo, its included in python2.4-gnome2-extras
[01:13] <ogra> (libnautilus-burn-python)
[01:13] <Nafallo> ogra: ahh, doh :-).
[01:14] <ogra> Nafallo,  apt-cache show python2.4-gnome2-extras
[01:14] <ogra> ;)
[01:14] <ogra> libnautilus-burn1
[01:15] <ogra> <-- shower
[01:15] <Nafallo> that's why it can't find my empty cd ;-)
[01:19] <siretart> I also fixed "rlog" (CXX Trasition): https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11222. Are this 'transition' uploads reviewed first, or may I proceed with uploading?
[01:19] <siretart> I dont want to do anything wrong
[01:21] <\sh> siretart: attach the debdiff output to the bug entry
[01:22] <\sh> debdiff <origpackage>.dsc <newubunturevwithrenaming>.dsc > <package>.diff
[01:22] <siretart> \sh: http://siretart.tauware.de/ubuntu-packages/rlog/patch
[01:22] <siretart> but will also attach to the report
[01:22] <\sh> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11183 take it as an example
[01:23] <\sh> so doko or we can take a look on the patch itself
[01:23] <Amaranth> what do you do if it's an application?
[01:23] <\sh> Amaranth: i think they will be uploaded automatically after all libs are in the tree
[01:24] <Amaranth> fix the compiler errors, fix the dependencies, and upload a new ubuntuX version?
[01:24] <\sh> Amaranth: but there r some kde stuff which has to be altered manually
[01:24] <Amaranth> ah
[01:24] <siretart> \sh: ok. will do
[01:24] <Amaranth> how far along are the libs?
[01:24] <Amaranth> i know universe just got a massive ammount of c2 libs all of the sudden
[01:25] <siretart> Amaranth: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CxxLibraryList is the current status, I think
[01:25] <Amaranth> like one day it seemed that people weren't even trying, the next about 100 libs were showing as New In Repository in synaptic
[01:25] <Amaranth> who should i hug for that? :)
[01:26] <\sh> Amaranth: http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/22-Breaking-News-python-kde3-and-CXX-Transition.html
[01:28] <Amaranth> doko did it?
[01:28] <\sh> siretart: check comment on your diff :)
[01:29] <Amaranth> awesome!
[01:30] <siretart> gnarf. thanks
[01:30] <\sh> siretart: and see, i just found a bug in njam package ;)
[01:30] <siretart> \sh: the Makefile for njam seems to be b0rked
[01:32] <\sh> siretart: well...yes, i will make a patch and include DESTDIR magic and fix some symlinks stuff
[01:32] <Amaranth> are there any numbers (percent done, etc) or should i do a little screenscraping and come up with them?
[01:34] <siretart> \sh: I think the makefile itself should be rewritten. it installs levels and datafils to /usr/games/...
[01:35] <\sh> doing it right now :)
[01:35] <siretart> \sh: Better would be to install data and game files either to /usr/{share,lib}/njam, and let /usr/games/njam just be a shell wrapper, as supposed
[01:35] <\sh> siretart: check /usr/games
[01:35] <\sh> all gnome games are laying there
[01:36] <\sh> oh no..only the bins
[01:36] <siretart> jepp
[01:37] <\sh> so u mean: /usr/share/njam/* ?
[01:38] <siretart> depending whether the are architecture independent or not
[01:38] <siretart> if architecture depending, it must go to /usr/lib/njam. and now lets hope the binary accepts that
[01:38] <\sh> splitting up the package into arch and arch-indep?
[01:38] <siretart> no. that would make thinks only more complicated as needed, imho
[01:39] <\sh> ok...letme check the data files...and I will do a testbuild on hoary, only to see if it's running as expected
[01:40] <\sh> ok, the data are indep...
[01:41] <siretart> gnarf. the binary expect data relative to itself
[01:41] <\sh> what?
[01:41] <\sh> fck...u r right
[01:41] <\sh> i'll have to patch the source
[01:42] <\sh> hmmm
[01:42] <siretart> look at njam.cpp, line 87
[01:42] <\sh> yeah..saw it
[01:42] <\sh> nasty
[01:43] <\sh> ok..what about this
[01:44] <siretart> wah, now i understand (after thinking 2minutes about it)
[01:44] <siretart> that code "guesses" the location of the binary inspecting argv[0] 
[01:45] <siretart> gnarf
[01:46] <siretart> lets replace that with a simple 'chdir("/usr/share/njam/");'
[01:46] <\sh> siretart: hmmm
[01:46] <DanielN> \sh: your local apt repo howto doesn't work here
[01:47] <\sh> siretart: what about njam.h: #define UBUNTU_GAMES_DATA_DIR "/usr/share/njam/"
[01:47] <\sh> and put this constant in front of the fopens
[01:47] <\sh> or to be more flexible
[01:48] <siretart> \sh: that would be bloat the patch. better "chdir(DATA_DIR);" and #define that
[01:48] <\sh> #define UBUNTU_GAMES_DATA_DIR "@gamesdatalocation@"  and in debian/rules i make a sed -e 's/\@gamesdatalocation\@/\/usr\/share\/games\//'
[01:48] <\sh> DanielN: what?
[01:49] <\sh> DanielN: please comment on the page, what went wrong :)
[01:49] <DanielN> if i want upload, packages went to incoming.. and no packages.gz and sources.gz and so on is created ..
[01:49] <\sh> DanielN: then something is wrong :)
[01:49] <\sh> DanielN: check debian/changelog if it's the right distribution
[01:49] <DanielN> it is
[01:49] <DanielN> breezy
[01:50] <\sh> DanielN: mini-dinstall configured?
[01:50] <DanielN> yep
[01:50] <\sh> hmm..here it's working fine...:(
[01:50] <DanielN> this message happens: Not running dinstall.
[01:53] <DanielN> \sh: *lol* found it .. i wrote "archiv" instead of +e :)
[01:53] <\sh> DanielN: *phew*
[04:05] (Nafallo/#ubuntu-motu) !seen xine-amd64-user-with-mp3soundfiles
[04:05] (siretart/#ubuntu-motu) Is anyone using a thinkpad with breezy here? I reanabled xosd support and would like to have it tested. I tested it with recompiling on hoary, here, it works
[04:34] <DanielN> are there any howtows, to build from CVS ?
[04:36] <siretart> DanielN: well. there are a lot of tutorials on using cvs in the web
[04:37] <ivoks> hola
[04:41] <siretart> hi ivoks
[04:43] <ivoks> hi
[04:43] <ivoks> just washed my focus, put glycerin on tiers... it shines like a star... ready for trip tomorrow :)
[04:44] <ivoks> three babes and me :)
[04:44] <ivoks> hm.. i din't get response from mako yet... :(
[06:12] <DanielN> ***Error***: You must have automake >= 1.6 installed
[06:12] <DanielN>   to build resapplet.
[06:12] <DanielN> :(
[06:58] <ivoks> hi
[07:25] <DanielN> \sh you're a really bad reviewer ;)
[07:38] <siretart> DanielN: I made other observations ;)
[07:38] <ivoks> :)
[07:38] <ivoks> siretart: are you motu? :)
[07:40] <ivoks> damn... so much people uses wifi-radar in hoary
[07:40] <ivoks> and it still isn't aproved for breezy :(
[07:40] <ivoks> that makes me sad :(
[07:45] <siretart> ivoks: since a few days. shall I review your package?
[07:46] <ivoks> yeah :)
[07:46] <ivoks> please...
[07:46] <siretart> ivoks: where is your source package?
[07:46] <ivoks> i'm still waiting mako's approval of my membership... :(
[07:46] <ivoks> siretart: www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu
[07:46] <ivoks> siretart: wifi-radar
[07:46] <tseng> have you been to the CC?
[07:46] <tseng> mako cant approve you by himself
[07:47] <tseng> he can only check off your signed CoC
[07:47] <ivoks> i was
[07:47] <ivoks> i got status
[07:47] <ivoks> i signed CoC and send it over email to him
[07:48] <ivoks> kamion and elmo agreed :)
[07:48] <ivoks> maybe i did something wrong :(
[07:48] <tseng> it sounds like you are already approved..
[07:48] <siretart> is this a NEW package?
[07:49] <ivoks> siretart: yes
[07:49] <ivoks> tseng: ok :)
[07:49] <ivoks> tseng: i tought he will reply or something...
[07:49] <tseng> no
[07:49] <ivoks> ok then :)
[07:51] <ivoks> tseng: so, as member, what privliges i get? :))
[07:51] <tseng> you can vouche for new members at CC
[07:51] <ivoks> ok, that's nice
[07:52] <tseng> someday there is supposed to be @ubuntu.com mail forwards for members
[07:52] <tseng> who knows
[07:52] <ivoks> nice :)
[07:56] <ivoks> siretart: so...? it's small package :)
[07:56] <siretart> ivoks: still looking at it :)
[07:57] <siretart> I'm note quite happy about the copyright statement
[07:57] <ivoks> why?
[07:57] <siretart> but this is rather an upstream issue. Have a look at this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/12/msg00007.html
[07:57] <ivoks> ah, i should put whole GPL in it? :)
[07:58] <siretart> no! a reference is much better
[07:58] <tseng> well
[07:58] <tseng> a reference is much better if the file is already existing on a base debian install
[07:58] <siretart> upstream should read the section "HOW TO APPLY THE GPL"
[07:58] <siretart> but IANAL
[07:59] <siretart> hm. "default" interface is eth2, yes?
[07:59] <ivoks> yes
[08:00] <siretart> hm. so the user would have to edit the config file for setting it to his real divcename.
[08:00] <siretart> for me that would be ath0, for my GF it would be eth1.
[08:00] <ivoks> yes, i'm thinking to add gui option for that
[08:00] <ivoks> or...
[08:00] <ivoks> it should ask while installing
[08:01] <siretart> I'm also thinking how to improve this..
[08:01] <siretart> asking for default value using debconf would be the options of choice in debian, I think
[08:01] <ivoks> yeah..
[08:01] <siretart> in ubuntu, i'm not sure..
[08:02] <ivoks> app runs as root
[08:02] <ivoks> so it shouldn't alove to much freedom :)
[08:02] <ivoks> alove?! omg.. allow
[08:04] <ivoks> so, in ubuntu, we don't ask anything with debhelper?
[08:04] <tseng> we try not to ask questions in packages in base install
[08:04] <ivoks> i guess i could do a preinstall script that will run iwconfig to find out wifi-card
[08:04] <siretart> thats what I'm thinking of
[08:04] <tseng> or in desktop
[08:04] <siretart> I'm thinking about a regex for auto detection
[08:04] <ivoks> yeah
[08:05] <ivoks> with iwconfig
[08:05] <ivoks> so it would have predepend on iwconfig
[08:05] <ivoks> it would run in and find out what interface user is using
[08:05] <ivoks> any objections? :)
[08:06] <siretart> better let's get that discussed on #ubuntu-devel
[08:06] <ivoks> ok
[08:07] <siretart> I really like your package. It is really a great contribution to ubuntu
[08:07] <ivoks> :) ok, not that great :)
[08:07] <ivoks> i like it so i tought... let's make a package
[08:08] <ivoks> ok... i could do autodetection before it loads
[08:08] <ivoks> i could implement that in wifi-radar.sh
[08:08] <ivoks> wich is in menu
[08:09] <ivoks> iwconfig 2> /dev/null | grep IEEE | cut -d' ' -f1
[08:10] <siretart> and what happens if 2 wifi cards are installed?
[08:10] <ivoks> it should use only one
[08:10] <ivoks> first one
[08:10] <ivoks> and if user desiers another one, then he will need to change config
[08:11] <herve> re
[08:11] <ivoks> or... just to configure it while installing
[08:11] <ivoks> hi herve
[08:11] <ivoks> but, that's not ubuntu way :)
[08:11] <siretart> hm. thats right. wicked..
[08:12] <ivoks> ok, i'll figure out something later
[08:12] <ivoks> and i will upload revision
[08:12] <ivoks> ok?
[08:13] <ivoks> then you'll look it again
[08:13] <ivoks> btw, i did copyright file
[08:13] <ivoks> it isn't in source package...
[08:13] <ivoks> siretart: what should i change?
[08:13] <tseng> oh, i got my hoary cds today
[08:15] <siretart> ivoks: I dont really see any grave mistakes in your package.
[08:17] <siretart> ivoks: have any other motus reviewd it yet?
[08:18] <herve> tseng, where are you located, roughly?
[08:18] <tseng> Philly, PA
[08:18] <tseng> very roughly
[08:19] <herve> siretart, his wifi tool?
[08:19] <siretart> yeah
[08:19] <herve> tseng, I guess it means united states? (that's why I didn't ask for details ;-))
[08:19] <tseng> yes
[08:19] <herve> siretart, last time I reviewed it, it was ok for me
[08:19] <herve> but I guess it has changed a lot
[08:20] <siretart> herve: I just looked at it, I also think its nice
[08:21] <siretart> are there any ppc users/motus here?
[08:21] <herve> not me
[08:22] <herve> but a mac mini, some day... hmm :-)
[08:23] <siretart> :)
[08:23] <siretart> I uploaded vcdimager, and It got autobuilt on amd64 and i386, not on ppc
[08:23] <siretart> because the testsuite failed!
[08:24] <siretart> and comparing with the buildlogs from debian, I dont see why it fails :(
[08:27] <ivoks> herve: didn't change anything, but will now
[08:27] <ivoks> :)
[08:28] <ivoks> herve: it will discover wifi interface and configure it self for it
[08:28] <herve> more ubuntu compliant? :-)
[08:28] <ivoks> so.. should i change revision or leave it as inital release?
[08:28] <ivoks> yeah, more "for dummies" :)
[08:28] <herve> hmm...
[08:29] <ivoks> don't get me wrong :)
[08:29] <herve> it doesn't really matter since your package never ended in an official repository
[08:29] <ivoks> ok
[08:29] <herve> but if some users are already using it
[08:29] <ivoks> then it will stay official relase
[08:29] <herve> it would be "honest" to bump the version
[08:29] <ivoks> ok :)
[08:30] <herve> and with 0ubuntu1
[08:30] <herve> for the package
[08:30] <ivoks> i'll be honest then
[08:32] <ivoks> gr... i created postinst script and how do i call it from rules?
[08:32] <ivoks> i'm looking at example, but it's with cdbs :(
[08:32] <siretart> dont call postinst yourself, let dpkg call it for you
[08:33] <ivoks> so i just create script?
[08:33] <ivoks> it will call it automagicaly?
[08:33] <ivoks> :)
[08:34] <herve> at install
[08:34] <herve> +time
[08:35] <ivoks> ?
[08:35] <herve> !
[08:36] <tseng> $
[08:36] <siretart> jupp
[08:38] <herve> ivoks: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/MaintainerScripts
[08:38] <herve> not easy to search on their site
[08:40] <ivoks> all right, it works :)
[08:41] <ivoks> new version uploaded
[08:42] <ivoks> hm...
[08:42] <ivoks> one more change...
[08:42] <herve> hehe
[08:42] <ivoks>  /etc/wifi-radar.sh should have 600 permissons
[08:42] <ivoks> not 644
[08:42] <ivoks> s/sh/conf
[08:43] <siretart> ivoks: why? are passwords saved there?
[08:43] <herve> a script with no executable bit?
[08:43] <ivoks> herve: it's .conf, not .sh :)
[08:44] <ivoks> siretart: keys for WEP
[08:44] <siretart> ah, well. thats right..
[08:46] <ivoks> hm..
[08:46] <ivoks> i should change perm in postinst?
[08:46] <ivoks> i can't do that with rules?
[08:46] <siretart> ivoks: ah, that brings me a suggestion
[08:47] <siretart> ivoks: I dont think that /etc/wifi-radar.sh should be a conffile
[08:47] <ivoks> :)
[08:47] <siretart> ivoks: it is a configuration file, but not a conffile
[08:47] <ivoks>  its /etc/wifi-radar.conf
[08:47] <siretart> argl, I'm talking about /etc/wifi-radar.conf
[08:47] <ivoks> wifi-radar has profiles
[08:47] <siretart> so it should imo not be installed via debian/rules but via postinst
[08:47] <ivoks> it stores profiles in that dir
[08:48] <ivoks> ah... ok...
[08:48] <siretart> do you understand the difference?
[08:48] <ivoks> not really...
[08:48] <ivoks> :)
[08:48] <ivoks> confflie are files with something allready in it?
[08:48] <siretart> (im not really sure if I got it right). Basically it differs when it comes to upgrades:
[08:48] <ivoks> siretart: right!
[08:49] <ivoks> upgrade will not erase conffile
[08:49] <ivoks> that's right
[08:49] <siretart> when dpkg sees that the new package having the file, it will ask the user what to do
[08:49] <ivoks> hm.. wifi-radar.conf must not be changed!
[08:49] <ivoks> because all profiles are in it
[08:49] <siretart> in this specific case, we (persumably) always want to preserve the user edited config file
[08:50] <ivoks> siretart: that's why it has to be in rules
[08:50] <siretart> ivoks: ok, then thats clear. /etc/wifi-radar.conf MUST NOT be installed via debian/rules
[08:50] <ivoks> wait...
[08:50] <ivoks> it i put it in postinst
[08:50] <ivoks> it will be erased
[08:50] <ivoks> if it stays in rules, it will ask user what to do
[08:50] <ivoks> and not overwrite it
[08:51] <siretart> but these dpkg interruptions are really annoying.
[08:51] <ivoks> ok, i could check for file before copying...
[08:51] <siretart> I think this is handled somewhere in the debian policy
[08:51] <ivoks> no! it stays in rules
[08:52] <ivoks> if i put new feauters in that file
[08:52] <ivoks> i wouldn't be able to implement them
[08:52] <ivoks> via dpkg, it will suggest diff, overwrite or leave it as is
[08:53] <siretart> the configure part should be able to convert the current config to the new format, if necessary
[08:53] <ivoks> or u'm thinking wrong?
[08:53] <siretart> there was recently some discussion on debian-mentors, I think
[08:53] <siretart> about this
[08:53] <ivoks> well... ok
[08:53] <ivoks> it's big chance i wouldn't add anything to that file
[08:54] <ivoks> it will allways be possible to insert it via sed
[08:54] <ivoks> under global
[08:54] <ivoks> ok, it goes in postinst
[08:55] <siretart> this thread might be relevant: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/10/msg00128.html
[08:55] <siretart> afk - brb
[08:58] <ivoks> for now, let it be in rules...
[08:58] <ivoks> in another revision i will consider something else
[08:59] <siretart> right
[08:59] <siretart> lets here some comments from more experienced maintainers
[09:01] <herve> sometimes I woner
[09:02] <herve> wonder if conffiles are an official feature
[09:02] <herve> the policy only cites it once
[09:02] <herve> and no index
[09:02] <siretart> herve: I never understood this dpkg conffile handling correctly, too
[09:03] <ivoks> look! people in #ubuntu.hr :) O M G! :)
[09:03] <siretart> that means, I know what dpkg does with conffiles. but I'm not sure about all consequences
[09:04] <siretart> ivoks: sorry, I dont speak your language ;) I'm also having problems reading a hungarian street map ;)
[09:04] <ivoks> :)
[09:04] <ivoks> hm... that's very bad postinst script :(
[09:04] <ivoks> echo "interface=$WLAN" >> /etc/wifi-radar.conf
[09:04] <ivoks> this just isn't right...
[09:05] <herve> at first, check if it is not already defined
[09:05] <herve> remember maintainer scripts must be run several times without incident
[09:07] <ivoks> it has set -e
[09:07] <ivoks> something else bothers me...
[09:08] <ivoks> if there allready is wifi-radar.conf
[09:08] <ivoks> this should be initial release
[09:08] <ivoks> oh... damn... i'm confused
[10:29] <ivoks> bye
[10:29] <siretart> bye ivoks
[10:29] <crimmy> l8r
[10:29] <herve> have a nice trip
[10:30] <ivoks> thanx :)
[10:52] <siretart> well, http://www.uk.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s-config-files is the relevant section of the policy for conffiles
[11:02] <ivoks> ok :)
[11:02] <ivoks> me again :)
[11:02] <ivoks> siretart: i changed wifi-radar
[11:03] <siretart> ivoks: http://www.uk.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s-config-files is the relevant section in the policy, I looked it up for you
[11:03] <siretart> re btw ;)
[11:05] <ivoks> then it's configuration file, not conffile
[11:05] <siretart> yeah
[11:05] <ivoks> The maintainer scripts must not alter a conffile of any package, including the one the scripts belong to.
[11:05] <ivoks> that's it...
[11:06] <ivoks> ok, then this version of wifi-radar package is final
[11:13] <siretart> ivoks: yes, thats gonna make upgrades more convinient
[11:14] <ivoks> yeah
[11:14] <ivoks> and if i need to append or inster/change something
[11:14] <ivoks> it's easily with sed
[11:15] <MarioOs> hello
[11:15] <ivoks> bok :)
[11:16] <ivoks> MarioOs: we are at ubuntu-hr now
[11:16] <MarioOs> english only, please
[11:16] <ivoks> is this turkish? :)
[11:16] <MarioOs> yup, turkish it is
[11:16] <siretart> ivoks: I never used it before, but I think ucf could be handy here
[11:16] <MarioOs> why not hr.ubuntu
[11:17] <ivoks> siretart: step by step :)
[11:18] <siretart> ivoks: :)
[11:29] <ivoks> so, you are fine with package?
[11:30] <ivoks> heh...
[11:30] <ivoks> fluxbox guy
[11:30] <MarioOs> whats wrong with fluxbox
[11:30] <ivoks> bye all
[11:30] <ivoks> see you tomorrow
[11:30] <MarioOs> bye