[12:00] <nate__> dabaSlon_mv, I want to add a menu item that will bring up the terminal with this command output and a waiting prompt.  Is that not a use?
[12:00] <linuxamoeba21> ys76: when i broke redhat once, i just ran the "upgrade" option on the install CD to fix it... is there a similar fix in ubuntu?
[12:00] <ys76> linuxamoeba21, By the way: What are the reasons for mixing? Nearly all Debian-Packages are in Ubuntu too!
[12:01] <dabaSlon_mv> What I mean is...send the output to a file, do what nickrud said, I see those as valid alternatives, but I do not know how to answer your particular issue, good luck.
[12:01] <linuxamoeba21> ys76, i was looking for some other stuff not in ubuntu... audio programs maybe?
[12:01] <Enkidu> does anyone know what is causing that error?
[12:01] <ys76> linuxamoeba21, Try google "apt-pinning" or learn to use synaptic, aptitude and so on!
[12:02] <dabaSlon_mv> boricua, window managers....
[12:02] <dabaSlon_mv> whoever it was installing ati: add repositories maybe...
[12:02] <dabaSlon_mv> then sudo apt-get update.
[12:03] <ys76> linuxamoeba21, I would like to help you, but as you mentioned, you did break Ubuntu badly, and there is no way to give me enough information to help you successful
[12:03] <linuxamoeba21> hmm
[12:03] <linuxamoeba21> that's unfortunae
[12:03] <linuxamoeba21> maybe just network backup and reinstall
[12:03] <dabaSlon_mv> linuxamoeba21: what did you do? would you mind writing out a pastebin about it that I could read?
[12:04] <nickrud> linuxamoeba21, it's a tedious process, but you can clear it up by disabling all extraneous repositories,
[12:04] <linuxamoeba21> hmmm
[12:04] <ogi_> "> Setting general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4 in about:config seems to let me
[12:04] <ogi_> > access addons.mozilla.org" what exactly does that mean
[12:04] <nickrud> running aptitude or synaptic, clearing out Obsolete and Local Packages
[12:04] <Fator_Dee> ogi_: open a new tab in firefox
[12:05] <nickrud> tracing the breakages is the fun part :)
[12:05] <Enkidu> is anyone familiar with compiling kernels that could help me out/
[12:05] <Fator_Dee> ogi_: then, write "about:config" on the addressbar, then right click -> add new something, I think integer? and put that as a name and value
[12:06] <dabaSlon_mv> ogi_: um...it meanst that is waht you have to do for the mozilla ff site to allow you to access addon section
[12:06] <dabaSlon_mv> Fator_Dee: it is already there, he scrolls, and chjanges the value.
[12:06] <nate__> found a solution nickrud and dabaSlon_mv.  It doesn't work with gnome-terminal, its obviously a bug, and i'm going to report it.  xterm -e "ls --help; bash -i"
[12:06] <Fator_Dee> dabaSlon_mv: didn't know, but good that you cleared it up
[12:06] <linuxamoeba21> nickrud, how do i do that? would it be better to just back stuff up over the network and reinstall
[12:06] <nickrud> nate__, cool
[12:06] <ogi_> dabaSlon_mv, yeah I understood that much :P
[12:07] <nickrud> linuxamoeba21, you broke it, it's yours :)
[12:07] <linuxamoeba21> gah
[12:07] <dabaSlon_mv> nate__: had you not called me brain damaged, I would have manned the gnome-terminal, and found it for you...
[12:07] <nickrud> linuxamoeba21, but, you're right about what's a lot easier
[12:07] <linuxamoeba21> there should definitely be more warning somewhere about not mixing repositories
[12:08] <nate__> dabaSlon_mv, ......you obviously are still braindamaged
[12:08] <nickrud> linuxamoeba21, amen, amen, amen
[12:08] <dabaSlon_mv> well, you are a moron for calling ppl names...
[12:08] <maxyvits> I'm dying for some awesome Linux wallpaper like the Think Linux one in 1280
[12:08] <dabaSlon_mv> anyhow, please leave me alone.
[12:08] <linuxamoeba21> becuase i assumed it was a the-more-the-merrier kind of deal
[12:08] <nate__> dabaSlon_mv, and i asked if you were braindamaged, i haven't called you braindamaged until just now
[12:08] <maxyvits> they're not easily available via google
[12:08] <linuxamoeba21> ok, reinstall time =(
[12:08] <segphault> I'm trying to get LIRC working and I'm having some trouble with the kernel compile part. ={
[12:09] <linuxamoeba21> thanks all
[12:09] <dabaSlon_mv> maxyvits: I have something called xstarfish, check it out:) it is a random wallpaper, based on a computation. you cant even see it, unless you remove the default ubuntu desktop:)
[12:09] <dabaSlon_mv> welcome:) ogi_ do you need help with getting it done??
[12:09] <ys76> linuxamoeba21, Is there a warning not to build a 300hp motor in a tiny car? No, you simply know it is nonsense or at least difficult to handle all problems!
[12:10] <segphault> problem I'm having: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Ndatxq38.html
[12:10] <segphault> anybody know what the message indicates?
[12:10] <maxyvits> daba: how do I run it?
[12:10] <nate__> ys76, was he mixing between distributions?
[12:10] <dabaSlon_mv> maxyvits: you first install xstarfish
[12:11] <dabaSlon_mv> then, you just xstarfish in a terminal.
[12:11] <dabaSlon_mv> but, the screen wont let you see it if you still havce the desktop icons, you have to turn it off.
[12:11] <dabaSlon_mv> somewhere in nautilus if I rememb er right
[12:11] <dabaSlon_mv> but, then, no desktop icons.
[12:11] <maxyvits> great ... understanding how to install stuff on Linux is like understanding special relativity
[12:12] <ys76> nate__, Yes he did an broke Hoary badly...
[12:12] <nate__> ys76, ick :/
[12:12] <dabaSlon_mv> apt-get install anything almost...:)
[12:12] <dabaSlon_mv> as sudo.
[12:13] <maxy_noob> ok, that worked.
[12:13] <maxy_noob> now?
[12:14] <dabaSlon_mv> nate__: you must have had a hard time looking for that terminal thing...or youre not very patient, or something..sorry to hear that...:) Ill see if man gnome-terminal will tell m,e...
[12:14] <dabaSlon_mv> now, you do something, I cant remember, can you log in to another wm?
[12:15] <dabaSlon_mv> ok, I guess Ill go into gnome,, and tell you.
[12:15] <maxy_noob> I'm looking for it
[12:15] <maxy_noob> synaptic says it's installed
[12:15] <wolverian> I seem to remember someone (probably on planet.gnome.org) had up to date totem-gstreamer packages from totem CVS. does anyone have a link, since google isn't helping me to find them.
[12:16] <linuxamoeba21> while hoary is reinstalling, ys76, i'd like to point out that the only change i made to the repos was the example in synaptic's help
[12:17] <linuxamoeba21> not quite the car analogy
[12:17] <dabaSlon> linuxamoeba21: tell me more, whats the issue?
[12:18] <ys76> linuxamoeba21, I will have a look at the help when I am back to Ubuntu...
[12:18] <dabaSlon> I wish I would remember what I do to my system sometimes... maxy_noob I need more time....
[12:18] <nickrud> linuxamoeba21, I haven't seen that help page, what was the repository?
[12:18] <user1_> Hey, where do you guys get your proxies from? (=
[12:18] <linuxamoeba21> debian sarge i believe
[12:18] <nickrud> eh
[12:18] <maxy_noob> :D
[12:18] <linuxamoeba21> dabaSlon: added repos, update manager told me to upgrade, i did, hoary is a total mess
[12:19] <user1_> )=
[12:19] <dabaSlon> ok, maxy_noobtype in xstarfish in a terminal;
[12:19] <dabaSlon> user1_: what proxies, sorry..
[12:19] <maxy_noob> huh?
[12:19] <ys76> linuxamoeba21, Er, maybe some help/man/whatever pages are not completely changed to reflect Ubuntu....
[12:19] <user1_> =) proxies to hide my internet protocol.
[12:19] <dabaSlon> jsut do it...:)
[12:19] <maxy_noob> type what?
[12:19] <dabaSlon> user1_: I dont.
[12:19] <dabaSlon> xstarfish
[12:19] <maxy_noob> ok
[12:19] <user1_> Oh.
[12:20] <user1_> Xstarfish?
[12:20] <user1_> =)
[12:20] <maxy_noob> ok
[12:20] <dabaSlon> yeah, I dont know who does...that is for him, user
[12:20] <user1_> Oh, i'm sorry.
[12:20] <linuxamoeba21> ah, well, it's a learning experience
[12:20] <maxy_noob> I did
[12:20] <maxy_noob> now?
[12:20] <Fator_Dee> ys76: seems like a good point to inform the devs about :-)
[12:20] <dabaSlon> more info linux..
[12:20] <user1_> I mean, I am reading, but I have a huge list..
[12:21] <dabaSlon> maxy_noob: then,Apps>Sys Tools>Conf Editor, Apps>Nautilus>Preferences>show desktop
[12:21] <dabaSlon> uncheck it.
[12:21] <ys76> Fator_Dee, Yes, would you like to file such a bug report? Or maybe linuxamoeba21 will do it, 'cause he discovered the "bug"
[12:21] <maxy_noob> ahhhh
[12:21] <maxy_noob> cool
[12:22] <linuxamoeba21> im on it
[12:22] <danko123456> yes, taht is wehre.
[12:22] <danko123456> linuxamoeba21: what is so broken?
[12:22] <danko123456> and which repo did you add?
[12:22] <maxy_noob> now, how do I remove it?
[12:22] <danko123456> do you see the xstarfish?
[12:22] <linuxamoeba21> danko123456: in a word, everything. i think i added debian sarge. its reformatting now anyway.
[12:22] <wolverian> hmm. totem-gstreamer actually crashes on startup.
[12:23] <pingswept> I'm having some trouble compiling madwifi drivers on Hoary. None of the #include directives are working, but the files are there.
[12:23] <danko123456> linuxamoeba21: rash...but, yeah, the easier way..
[12:23] <maxy_noob> I see squigglly pink lines
[12:23] <danko123456> yeah, thats itl..
[12:23] <linuxamoeba21> i just installed it about a week ago, so not too bad
[12:23] <danko123456> do another xstarfish in a terminal...
[12:23] <pingswept> For example <asm/page.h> is not found, but /usr/include/asm/page.h exists.
[12:23] <danko123456> everytime different, it is determined by a mathematical computeation, that dfascinates me...
[12:24] <maxy_noob> cool concept
[12:24] <linuxamoeba21> so, safe additions to the repos: the ubuntu universe thing ony?
[12:24] <danko123456> pingswept: classpath issue, do you think?
[12:24] <pingswept> I think I need to add /usr/include as a prefix in some path.
[12:24] <danko123456> linuxamoeba21: dont sudo apt-get dist-upgrade when ading repos...
[12:24] <danko123456>  I think...
[12:24] <pingswept> But I don't know which path.
[12:24] <nickrud> linuxamoeba21, http://pastebin.com/290397 that is your sources.list
[12:24] <danko123456> maxy_noob: not really what you were looking for, but...its ok...
[12:25] <maxy_noob> good to know
[12:25] <pingswept> danko123456: classpath? How can I check that?
[12:25] <maxy_noob> thanks
[12:25] <nickrud> linuxamoeba21, replace that first thing, and you will be good to go
[12:25] <linuxamoeba21> danko, what's that? i didnt command line anything -- all in synaptic
[12:25] <danko123456> nickrud: some guy was complaining about those sources at one point...last night, and he says...why is everythign double:)
[12:26] <danko123456> pingswept: I would tel you if I knew...but, the fact of the matter is...
[12:26] <danko123456> :)
[12:26] <nickrud> danko123456, the only reason the sources are in there is you won't complain ;)
[12:26] <danko123456> maybe you can specify in the make file where to look.
[12:26] <pingswept> danko123456, thanks anyway.
[12:26] <danko123456> nickrud: I dont get it...
[12:26] <Fator_Dee> linuxamoeba21: ubuntus repos are safe
[12:26] <nickrud> the only double I see is binary and source
[12:26] <danko123456> welcome, that may be it, try fidning a folder with other C headers, and put the files there.
[12:27] <danko123456> right, it is...
[12:27] <danko123456> its not in fact dbl...
[12:27] <danko123456> he was just being lame...
[12:27] <Monkeylikesbanan> can someone help me get my dvd working
[12:27] <nate__> what version of gnome does ubuntu use?  and whats a way to find out definitively
[12:27] <Fator_Dee> 2.10?
[12:27] <pingswept> n,: 2.10.
[12:27] <nickrud> the first few times I offered it, it had no deb-src, and that got complaints
[12:27] <danko123456> Monkeylikesbanan: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats can./..
[12:27] <jubuntu> Hello folks how you'all doing?
[12:27] <Monkeylikesbanan> thanks danko
[12:27] <jacquesmerde> hey, gnome's cd player keeps crashing on me. is this a common problem? or do i have to take a good hard look at my hardware?
[12:28] <linuxamoeba21> should my bug be listed in the ubuntu distro section or the documentation section of the bugzilla, since its not really ubuntu docs?
[12:28] <danko123456> ah... nickrud, yeah, I find those to be pretty good, I use it, and some other ppl that I helped do 2.
[12:28] <wolverian> oh well. reinstalling totem-xine, then. :)
[12:28] <pingswept> jacquesmerde, it hasn't crashed on me in a while.
[12:28] <danko123456> jacquesmerde: what is gnome cd player?
[12:28] <danko123456> linuxamoeba21: what is the bug?
[12:28] <jacquesmerde> danko123456, ubuntu's default cd player
[12:29] <danko123456> really? I never seen it...where is it?Ill go look
[12:29] <jacquesmerde> pingswept, when it DID crash on you, did it do so frequently?
[12:29] <nickrud> danko123456, I couldn't find docs for ubuntu's repos, so I just cycled through synaptics repo options to build it
[12:29] <danko123456> ooh there is one...
[12:29] <linuxamoeba21> danko, that the synaptic help file is non-ubuntu specific (e.g. tells user to add debian repos)
[12:29] <nickrud> linuxamoeba21, file it under synaptic, but find the buggy page so you can report it exactly
[12:29] <danko123456> jacquesmerde: my gnomebaker on the other hand...never opened ever,,,always crashes...:(
[12:29] <danko123456> linuxamoeba21: it belongs on the help file, right on it./..
[12:30] <danko123456> something like, dont dust-upgrade with non-ubuntu repos...
[12:30] <danko123456> or dist-upgrade for that matter.
[12:30] <jacquesmerde> i WANT to like ubuntu, i REALLY do...
[12:30] <danko123456> ohh, man, I just watched teh sweetest movie...
[12:31] <danko123456> jacquesmerde: I have not used that program once so far... is there a different one you could play those in?
[12:31] <danko123456> the movie, btw, called Life is Miracle, about Bosnia, and some happenings around the war, the war is not the nmain idea, tho...
[12:31] <nickrud> you don't have to dist upgrade to screw your system, getting can be quite enough in that situation.
[12:31] <Razor-X> what's the default KDE theme in Kubuntu?
[12:32] <ys76> Razor-X, /join #kubuntu
[12:32] <Razor-X> well, I thought there were Kubuntu users here too
[12:32] <danko123456> nickrud: I have never so far had issues with any repo, I have had even breezy there for a while...as long zas you just get the progs you need,. and dont get a kernel:) you should be fine..
[12:32] <Razor-X> as, i'm already in Kubuntu ;)
[12:32] <Razor-X> sadly, #kubuntu is almost always dead
[12:32] <danko123456> yeah, sadly:-p
[12:32] <nickrud> danko123456, hold, hold and hold, until I sorta learned pinning :)
[12:33] <SnakeBite> loin #kubuntu
[12:33] <danko123456> well, I never learned the concept, but, I mean, it depends on what you isntall, I guess. I have installed firefox, and maybe something else fromt here so far...
[12:33] <danko123456> the concept being pinning.
[12:34] <nickrud> pinning is a black art, what I learned, is to copy other peoples work.
[12:34] <andrew137> Hi there!  Getting 'unable to mount root fs' on 5.04/amd64, probably because root fs is formatted as Ext3 and the kernel I selected has Ext3 support compiled in as a module.  Do I have any easy way of sorting this or should I reinstall with the rootfs as Ext2?
[12:34] <glick> hi
[12:34] <ys76> nickrud, Or just learn by trial and error
[12:34] <danko123456> well...:)
[12:34] <danko123456> glick, yo.
[12:34] <glick> ever since i compiled a custom kernel i have been havin a few glitches here and there
[12:35] <glick> sup danko123456
[12:35] <danko123456> andrew137: modprobe module?
[12:35] <nickrud> ys76, did that too, but when I found a good pin for exerimental gnome I stopped :)
[12:35] <nickrud> before then, I felt linuxamoeba21
[12:35] <nickrud> his pain :)
[12:35] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> forget gentoo i'll use ubuntu on both desktops
[12:35] <danko123456> is it cause you pin down exactly what will work - pinning?
[12:35] <andrew137> danko: Is there a way I can do a modprobe without being able to boot the o/s?
[12:35] <glick> for example when i open gnome terminal, it is completely black with no cursor, and i can not open another one, nor can i close it
[12:35] <glick> i have to kill it
[12:36] <danko123456> Pop_pa_FrEaK: not a bad idea...
[12:36] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> :)
[12:36] <ys76> nickrud, quite reasonable! I am working with a lot of debian machines and I had to learn pinning by heart
[12:36] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> i thought so too
[12:36] <nickrud> pin by repo, pin by package, pin by version, pin by ...
[12:36] <danko123456> ah...
[12:36] <glick> also, at boot, it no longer sets up my network, i have to manually ifconfig eth0 up and then dhclient
[12:36] <glick> to get the network working
[12:36] <glick> what gives?
[12:36] <nickrud> ah, well, I get to choose what I learn ;)
[12:36] <danko123456> glick: sorry to hear that:)
[12:37] <danko123456> glick: I suppose you needed the new kernel?
[12:37] <david> hey
[12:37] <david>  david@computer:~$ sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-</boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386> xorg-driver-fglrx
[12:37] <danko123456> hey, david.
[12:37] <david> Password:
[12:37] <david> E: Couldn't find package linux-restricted-modules
[12:37] <david> david@computer:~$
[12:37] <david> hey danko123456
[12:37] <david> does anyone know how to find these elsusive packages?
[12:37] <glick> danko123456, yes i did, the new kernel supports my external devices, the stock kernels did not
[12:37] <danko123456> david, sudo apt-cache search linux-restricted-modules
[12:37] <glick> i compiled a kernel as a last resort
[12:37] <david> k!
[12:37] <danko123456> glick: yeah, usually that is why...
[12:38] <danko123456> glick, not sure, sorry:) not really a kernel type:)
[12:38] <danko123456> It is working here, and from now on, forever!, I am gonna b buying only stuuff that is not fancy, and works in linux.
[12:39] <danko123456> david: any results from that, see your package?
[12:39] <danko123456> david: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386
[12:39] <david> david@computer:~$ sudo apt-cache add linux-restricted-modules-k7
[12:39] <david> E: Unimplemented
[12:39] <david> david@computer:~$
[12:39] <danko123456> that should be it.
[12:40] <david> danko123456,  k i'll try that
[12:40] <danko123456> why are you getting those??
[12:40] <danko123456> you want the 386 ones? you have a pentium?
[12:40] <danko123456> k7 is amd.
[12:40] <danko123456> hybrid_goth: please leave and come back as non-root.
[12:40] <danko123456> :-p
[12:40] <jacquesmerde> doesnt gnome normally have a different default cd player? goobox?
[12:40] <danko123456> why are you in irc as root anyhow
[12:40] <david> danko123456,  that command you gave me ran but i'm still getting a package error on the flgrx thing
[12:41] <danko123456> david, well, I solved that one at least...:)
[12:41] <Monkeylikesbanan> im having troubble wiht my dvd drive, can someone help?
[12:41] <danko123456> well, since this one is called gnome cd player, I would think it is pretty much default.
[12:41] <Fator_Dee> Monkeylikesbanan: what kind of trouble?
[12:41] <david> danko123456, lol i don't know what that solved though :p
[12:41] <danko123456> Monkeylikesbanan: did you read the nice site I gave you?
[12:41] <Monkeylikesbanan> installing libdvd
[12:41] <Monkeylikesbanan> yes
[12:41] <danko123456> well, why were you trying to do it, david?
[12:41] <danko123456> ok, ainstalled?
[12:41] <david> danko123456, i need to get ati drivers
[12:42] <hybrid_goth> danko123456: i would if i could startx with out sudoing
[12:42] <david> danko123456, but it E: can't find restricted driverses me
[12:42] <danko123456> ok, and how come you thought that was it?
[12:42] <danko123456> hybrid...hm...
[12:42] <Monkeylikesbanan> can i msg someone
[12:42] <danko123456> open a terminal, su to your user...
[12:42] <danko123456> start your app.
[12:42] <hybrid_goth> danko123456: bug...breezy..
[12:42] <hybrid_goth> danko123456: will try
[12:42] <danko123456> david, I dont get you...
[12:42] <danko123456>  david: danko123456, but it E: can't find restricted driverses me
[12:42] <danko123456> whats that?
[12:43] <david> danko123456, E: Couldn't find package linux-restricted-modules
[12:43] <danko123456> diverses, like a diversion?
[12:43] <david> danko123456, i'm trying it with k7 now instead of 386
[12:43] <danko123456> U cant do that.
[12:43] <danko123456> do you have a pentium?
[12:43] <danko123456> and, what kind?
[12:43] <hybrid_goth> danko123456: ok go it brb ty
[12:43] <david> dank done and still errors
[12:44] <danko123456> what errors?
[12:44] <david> i have an amd 64
[12:44] <david> same as before, can't find pagage linux-restricted-modules
[12:44] <danko123456> hehe...
[12:45] <david> dank, maybe i need to reboot?
[12:45] <danko123456> no, you need to sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-k7 if that is the architecture your computer has.
[12:45] <danko123456> david, no.
[12:45] <danko123456> david, please do a uname -r in a terminal, tell me what is tehre.
[12:45] <Monkeylikesbanan> ok... so ive downloaded  libdvd.tar.gz
[12:45] <danko123456> no, wrong.
[12:45] <david> nah same error again
[12:45] <danko123456> Ill tell you exactly.
[12:45] <Monkeylikesbanan> and ive exgtracted it
[12:45] <danko123456> uname -r ,please.
[12:45] <danko123456> Monkeylikesbanan: drop that totally.
[12:45] <danko123456> delete everything so far.
[12:46] <david> danko123456,
[12:46] <david> danko123456 Ill tell you exactly.
[12:46] <worker> anyone else have trouble with ubutnu + pppoa pulling the wrong dns info, into resolv.conf?
[12:46] <david> danko123456,  oops wrong paste
[12:46] <david> danko123456, 2.6.10-5-386
[12:46] <Monkeylikesbanan> delete the file ive dl
[12:46] <hybrid_goth> i opend a torrent but 6881 was blacklisted. what is that and how do i fix it
[12:46] <hybrid_goth> ?
[12:46] <danko123456> means your IP is blacklisted??
[12:46] <danko123456> worker, I have read about it on the forums, or on the wiki, search there.
[12:47] <danko123456> david, are you sure it is a amd?
[12:47] <Monkeylikesbanan> danko123456 do you want me to delete the .tar.gz
[12:47] <danko123456> cause that is a intel d\kernel...
[12:47] <danko123456> I think, anyhow...
[12:47] <david> danko, absolutely positive
[12:47] <danko123456> not really knowledgeable about the kernels and whatnots...
[12:47] <danko123456> hm...
[12:47] <danko123456> Monkeylikesbanan: yeah, everything, I guess.
[12:47] <danko123456> we will install it from apt-get.
[12:47] <Monkeylikesbanan> ok, cool didnt know it was there
[12:47] <glick> yeah gnome terminal is black for like 5 mintues then it allows me to type
[12:48] <glick> while its black i cant open up another gnome-terminal
[12:48] <david> try for trying to help danko123456
[12:48] <danko123456> sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh Monkeylikesbanan.
[12:48] <hajiki> anyone good with init scripts? i'm having trouble with adding a a parameter after --exec $DAEMON to start-stop-daemon
[12:48] <Monkeylikesbanan> ok
[12:48] <danko123456> david, not done, you leving?
[12:49] <david> danko123456,  wanna try a reboot perhaps
[12:49] <david> danko123456,  that sometimes does it
[12:49] <david> brb
[12:49] <hajiki> it will either hang or say it cant find the file
[12:49] <danko123456> is anyone here, like seveas, or someone that knows a lot? at least as much as telling me how come if this guy has a amd, his uname -r returns a 2.6.10-5-386 ???
[12:50] <PenguinOf> oh hi
[12:50] <danko123456> hey.
[12:50] <hajiki> amd is still an x86 class cpu
[12:50] <glick> anyone know why it takes 5 minutes for gnome terminal to launch
[12:50] <danko123456> Monkeylikesbanan: what does that do?
[12:50] <Monkeylikesbanan> danko123456, i just ran that
[12:50] <danko123456> hajiki: thank yiou.
[12:50] <soganess> hey i have a problem,
[12:50] <Monkeylikesbanan> and seemed to go ok
[12:51] <soganess> i installed the amd64 version of ubuntu yesterday
[12:51] <danko123456> monkey, do you have a movie player, like xine, or something?
[12:51] <Monkeylikesbanan> only totem
[12:51] <hajiki> your welcome
[12:51] <Monkeylikesbanan> and xmms
[12:51] <soganess> and with a few properly placed kernel commands got the thing to hibernate
[12:51] <danko123456> ok, try playing it there...dunno.
[12:51] <Monkeylikesbanan> ok ill try totem
[12:51] <soganess> but today afters some updates nada
[12:51] <david> hi
[12:52] <danko123456> nothing, eh?
[12:52] <danko123456> david^
[12:52] <Monkeylikesbanan> danko12345, totem is still freezing
[12:52] <Monkeylikesbanan> force quit
[12:52] <danko123456> ok, sudo apt-get install xine-ui
[12:52] <Monkeylikesbanan> ok
[12:52] <danko123456> do you have universe enabled?
[12:53] <danko123456> david: working?
[12:53] <Monkeylikesbanan> danko12345, package not avail
[12:53] <Monkeylikesbanan> has no install candidate
[12:53] <david> danko123456, nope
[12:54] <david> danko123456,  what was that r command again?
[12:54] <danko123456> yeah, you need to sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and change everything there to this: http://pastebin.com/290397 .
[12:54] <danko123456> courtesy of nickrud.
[12:54] <Monkeylikesbanan> me?
[12:54] <danko123456> that is fine, dont worry about that one, david.
[12:54] <danko123456> yes, sorry.
[12:54] <danko123456> do that, Monkeylikesbanan.
[12:54] <Monkeylikesbanan> ok
[12:54] <david> danko123456, i upped to find it
[12:54] <david> danko123456,  why i ask
[12:55] <david> danko123456, is that on grub i now had a choice between k7 and 386
[12:55] <david> and now it reads k7...
[12:55] <david> 2.6.10-5-k7
[12:55] <david> still no worky though
[12:55] <Mathechyst> Whose password must I change to run synaptic?
[12:55] <Fator_Dee> Mathechyst: yours
[12:55] <Fator_Dee> Mathechyst: root password is your password
[12:55] <danko123456> david: you need to to the following, sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-k7 && sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-k7 do that in a terminal, paste please.
[12:56] <danko123456> or something like that, Fator_Dee./
[12:56] <Fator_Dee> something like that
[12:56] <danko123456> david, the command, btw is uname -r tells you the kernel name, I think.
[12:56] <david> david@computer:~$  sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-k7 && sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-k7
[12:56] <david> Reading package lists... Done
[12:56] <david> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:56] <david> linux-restricted-modules-k7 is already the newest version.
[12:56] <david> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 27 not upgraded.
[12:56] <david> Reading package lists... Done
[12:56] <Fator_Dee> now exactly, but the message goes through :-p
[12:56] <david> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:56] <david> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-k7 is already the newest version.
[12:56] <david> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 27 not upgraded.
[12:56] <david> david@computer:~$
[12:56] <danko123456> david, please use http://pastebin.com .
[12:56] <Mathechyst> Fator_Dee: I use both and I get "child terminated with status 1"
[12:57] <david> danko123456,  sry
[12:57] <danko123456> ok, both are installed, no need to be sorry to me...
[12:57] <danko123456> easier to read there.
[12:57] <Fator_Dee> Mathechyst: both?
[12:57] <david> danko123456,  i appreciate the help
[12:57] <spanglesontoast> hey how do I get desktop icons
[12:57] <Mathechyst> Fator_Dee: tried running it twice
[12:57] <david> danko123456,  but this is just too weir
[12:57] <danko123456> Mathechyst: full disk? df -l in a terminal will tell you.
[12:57] <danko123456> david, what are you installing, the binary driver?
[12:57] <danko123456> for ati? looked at the wiki for that?
[12:58] <Mathechyst> danko123456: plenty of disk space
[12:58] <danko123456> Mathechyst: as well, you are likely not a sudoer.
[12:58] <david> danko123456,  thers a detailed post in the forums, but the first steop is the package
[12:58] <Monkeylikesbanan> danko123456  what should i copy from that pastebin site
[12:58] <spanglesontoast> how do I get normal icons for gnome
[12:58] <danko123456> spanglesontoast: you check a box.
[12:58] <danko123456> which icons?
[12:59] <spanglesontoast> the ones on the desktop
[12:59] <spanglesontoast> like home folder
[12:59] <david> danko123456,  most others steps work, but i get no result, and others have a similar error ,and thier problem was forgetting to install the package
[12:59] <danko123456> erplace teh wholke file you get when yyuo sudo gedit /etc/apt./.. with what is in that pastebin.
[12:59] <danko123456> spanglesontoast: www.ubuntuguide.org has that.
[12:59] <danko123456> dont follow everything it says, tho.
[12:59] <danko123456> just what you need, as,kk first here if you should follow other things there, some aere not a good idea.
[01:00] <spanglesontoast> ah ok
[01:00] <danko123456> it is installed now, for sure, david.
[01:00] <Monkeylikesbanan> danko123456 anywhere in particular in the /etc/apt, that it needs to go
[01:00] <yonil> Q: How do I install jdk ? ( I've download the self extracting binary, where am I supposed to put it in order for all applications to work? )
[01:00] <danko123456> spanglesontoast: tell me if you canmt find it on that gude.
[01:00] <danko123456> guiode
[01:00] <danko123456> yonil: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:00] <david> dank, ima get some food, thanks!
[01:01] <danko123456> Monkeylikesbanan: I gave you the exact commabnd.
[01:01] <danko123456> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:01] <Monkeylikesbanan> and that opened the sources.list
[01:01] <danko123456> then, replace everything in that file with the pastebin.
[01:01] <Monkeylikesbanan> ok
[01:01] <danko123456> k
[01:02] <spanglesontoast> I never knew that ubuntu gave away free copies
[01:02] <glick> yeah whenever i try to start gnome or any gnome applications it takes a good 5-10 minutes to load
[01:02] <Monkeylikesbanan> ok done
[01:02] <danko123456> yonil: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java .
[01:02] <danko123456> Monkeylikesbanan: then, go into a terminal again, and install that same thing again
[01:02] <danko123456> sudo apt-get install xine-ui you have all
[01:02] <danko123456> nono
[01:02] <danko123456> first, sudo apt-get update
[01:03] <danko123456> then that
[01:03] <Monkeylikesbanan> thanks.. do you mind giveing me the command to get it
[01:03] <_phoenix_> can anyone suggest why when I login to "gnome default" my login freezes at "metacity window manager" but when I login in to "gnome failsafe" the login process completes?
[01:03] <danko123456> glick, top tell me if any process is on top...
[01:03] <glick> i dont understand why compiling a kernel would make gnome not load up
[01:03] <danko123456> _phoenix_: hoary?
[01:03] <yonil> danko123456, thanks
[01:03] <Proteque> hey. I just installed ubuntu on my ibook. when going to sleep it has problems when waking up. it just shows some kind of debug from the kernel. looks like it is showing dmesg or something. what can cause this?
[01:03] <danko123456> welcome
[01:03] <_phoenix_> danko123456: yes
[01:03] <danko123456> _phoenix_: normal pc?
[01:04] <danko123456> Proteque: I have the same one...I dont have a fix, tho...
[01:04] <glick> danko123456: i saw Xorg at the top for a second
[01:04] <_phoenix_> danko123456: amd64 3200+ but otherwise stock, it runs mandrake,fedora,suse etc.
[01:04] <glick> but i dont see gnome on there anywhere
[01:04] <Proteque> danko123456: on an ibook or is it a general ubuntu problem on laptops?
[01:04] <Dave2|Laptop> How would I get a more recent version of automake than 1.4 to be the default?
[01:04] <_phoenix_> danko123456: hoary i386
[01:04] <danko123456> _phoenix_: um...not sure.
[01:04] <danko123456> iBook specific, I think.
[01:05] <Dave2|Laptop> (i.e. is there a proper way?)
[01:05] <Mathechyst> Hmm ... maybe that sudoers bit works a little too well :)
[01:05] <Proteque> danko123456: okay. could be some 2.6 issue. used debian on this book earlier with 2.4 kernel. had no problems there.
[01:05] <danko123456> glick: did you try nice program-name after starting the program?
[01:05] <danko123456> Proteque: works??? nice sleep and wake?
[01:05] <_phoenix_> does metacity have an "autostart" or similiar folder/script?
[01:05] <Proteque> danko123456: yes
[01:06] <Proteque> danko123456: worked perfectly there
[01:06] <danko123456> Proteque: whcih debian? is it one just installed, I mean, where can I get it?
[01:06] <Proteque> dont remember if it was sarge or unstable.
[01:06] <spanglesontoast> I like BUM
[01:06] <spanglesontoast> hehe
[01:06] <spanglesontoast> lol
[01:06] <danko123456> hm...I guess Ill try, prolly sarge...
[01:07] <danko123456> I mean...the kernel is older...
[01:07] <Proteque> danko123456: allso works perfectly on yellowdog
[01:07] <danko123456> I like butts too, but why on #ubuntu?
[01:07] <Proteque> so it is solvable in ubuntu too
[01:07] <danko123456> right, prolly a kernel tweak...
[01:07] <Proteque> just wondering what may cause this
[01:07] <david> danko123456,  i think i found the problem
[01:07] <danko123456> david: I believed in you all the way...
[01:07] <danko123456> :)
[01:07] <david> danko123456, it must be that the packages are restricted, much like all of my hard-drive
[01:08] <danko123456> Proteque: look a the wiki,,,it has something about the sleep on iBooks.
[01:08] <danko123456> david: well, is it working?
[01:08] <david> danko123456, which essentially means that if I muck around enough they'll unrestrict
[01:08] <david> danko123456, nope!
[01:08] <danko123456> I want it to work...
[01:08] <Proteque> where can I find the wiki?
[01:08] <danko123456> www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki ...well, that was easy.
[01:08] <danko123456> :)
[01:08] <david> danko123456, if I enter enough console commands it eventually lets me write to my HD, so why not unrestrict a module?
[01:09] <danko123456> what is so restricted about it, I dont even see.
[01:09] <danko123456> whats the forum URL, david?
[01:09] <Monkeylikesbanan> danko123456, i ran sudo apt-get install xine.. no sucsess
[01:09] <danko123456> sudo apt-get install xine-ui
[01:09] <david> danko123456,  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495
[01:09] <danko123456> please use paste
[01:09] <Monkeylikesbanan> says you might want to run apt-get update to correct problems
[01:10] <Monkeylikesbanan> i entered the command correctly
[01:10] <danko123456> ok, well, sudo apt-get update
[01:10] <danko123456> did you do that?
[01:10] <Monkeylikesbanan> ok
[01:10] <Monkeylikesbanan> doing it now
[01:10] <danko123456> sorry, I told you right after the where I told you to insatll xine.
[01:10] <Monkeylikesbanan> no prob
[01:10] <danko123456> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto is the one I would try.
[01:10] <danko123456> david.
[01:10] <david> sup
[01:11] <danko123456> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[01:11] <hybrid_goth> can someone help me with my mplayer?
[01:11] <hybrid_goth> it wont play video
[01:11] <danko123456> david, the binary driver is for you up there.
[01:11] <david> ohh i've done that before
[01:11] <danko123456> and the sudo apt-get nsatll too, daivd.
[01:11] <david> gives me a dif error
[01:11] <danko123456> paste it to pastebin
[01:11] <danko123456> hybrid_goth: changed the output plugin to esd?
[01:12] <hybrid_goth> danko123456: i just compiled never changed anything
[01:12] <danko123456> ok, well, does it freeze when you push play?
[01:12] <danko123456> If so, then great, cause that will fix it...
[01:12] <Monkeylikesbanan> danko12345, i am installing xine now
[01:12] <david> danko123456, http://pastebin.com/291035
[01:12] <danko123456> Monkeylikesbanan: yeah, you should be,..:)
[01:12] <Monkeylikesbanan> ha
[01:13] <hybrid_goth> danko123456: no my whole screen goes black with white lines
[01:13] <danko123456> is it full screen?
[01:13] <Monkeylikesbanan> danko123456, its finished installing, what should i do next
[01:13] <danko123456> hybrid, when you play a file?
[01:13] <danko123456> Monkeylikesbanan: do xine in a terminal
[01:13] <Monkeylikesbanan> ok
[01:13] <hybrid_goth> danko123456: i just mplayer thebroken1.avi
[01:14] <danko123456> ah,,,yes, try opening mplayer without a file
[01:14] <danko123456> through your menu, or sthg.
[01:14] <Monkeylikesbanan> danko123456... brb
[01:14] <danko123456> then go to prefs, and change the output plugin to esd.
[01:14] <hybrid_goth> danko123456: mplayer is terminal based
[01:14] <danko123456> mplayer, then:)
[01:14] <hybrid_goth> danko123456: i can only mplayer file
[01:14] <hybrid_goth> danko123456: then what
[01:15] <danko123456> ok, well...
[01:15] <danko123456> are you in gnome?
[01:15] <hybrid_goth> XFCE
[01:15] <hybrid_goth> but have gtk
[01:15] <reagleBRKLN> if i accidently pulled a lib from (-t) unstable, how do i go back to ubuntu version?
[01:15] <danko123456> well, open gnome, and go into apps>sound&video>mplayer
[01:15] <danko123456> then, open prefs, and change that.
[01:15] <danko123456> force version isntall
[01:16] <hybrid_goth> danko123456: i dont have gnome
[01:16] <hybrid_goth> thats why i have XFCE
[01:16] <rg58sma> amule: error while loading shared libraries: libwx_gtk2_xrc-2.6.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:16] <rg58sma> i hava this problkem
[01:16] <reagleBRKLN> danko123456: apt-get install --reinstall -t 1.10 bzflag doesn't do it
[01:16] <danko123456> reagleBRKLN: force the version, tehre is an option in synaptic, in the
[01:16] <danko123456> package menu, not sure through apt-get;
[01:16] <glick> danko123456: yes of course
[01:16] <danko123456> rg58sma: did you by any chance try sudo apt-get install amule?
[01:17] <danko123456> glick:)
[01:17] <david> danko123456,  does this mean anything? http://pastebin.com/291035
[01:17] <reagleBRKLN> huh, nifty in synaptic
[01:17] <danko123456> david: sorry, I was gonna get to that.
[01:17] <danko123456> what is the flxgears command again>
[01:17] <danko123456> something like that.
[01:17] <danko123456> glxgears
[01:17] <danko123456> do that in a terminal, david.
[01:17] <danko123456> ples.e
[01:17] <rg58sma> yes+
[01:17] <david> oh error there
[01:18] <rg58sma> reintall?
[01:18] <danko123456> rg58sma: really? and still the error?
[01:18] <david> danko123456, glxgears: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:18] <danko123456> you can try, yes, amule has been known to crash here too.
[01:18] <david> i'm getting an error there because i can't get the package i need
[01:18] <Nermie> hello :D
[01:18] <david> hi Nermie
[01:18] <bassplayer> how do I add a network printer ?
[01:18] <Nermie> bassplayer: through the add printer dialog
[01:18] <rg58sma> sudo apt-get install amule
[01:19] <rg58sma> Err ftp://ftp2.caliu.info hoary-backports/universe amule 2.0.0-1~5.04ubp1
[01:19] <Nermie> system -> administration -> printing
[01:19] <rg58sma>   Imposible traer archivo, el servidor dijo 'Security: Bad IP connecting.  '
[01:19] <bassplayer> yeap i know, but what parameters i have to enter ?
[01:19] <danko123456> well, you have some weird repos there.
[01:19] <Nermie> bassplayer: it's a gui
[01:19] <danko123456> rg58sma: do you need any particular repos in your sources?
[01:20] <Nermie> :)
[01:20] <Moder> :P
[01:20] <hybrid_goth> if i compile frm src then want to upgrade do i need to remove the package that is already there
[01:20] <Nermie> hybrid_goth: nah
[01:20] <bassplayer> yes, but i dont know what i have to put in the host
[01:20] <hybrid_goth> Nermie: ok ty
[01:20] <Nermie> fool!
[01:20] <Moder> ;] 
[01:20] <AristoMagnus> I cannot enable DMA on my 2 HD, how can i enable it
[01:20] <Nermie> bassplayer: the ip of the computer ?
[01:20] <danko123456> hybrid_goth: try using -nosound as a option for mplayer, tell me hjow that works...
[01:20] <bassplayer> the public ip ?
[01:20] <danko123456> haha...
[01:21] <Nermie> AristoMagnus: sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hd<whatever>
[01:21] <danko123456> you guys had a funny /me there...
[01:21] <hybrid_goth> danko123456: ok
[01:21] <AristoMagnus> Nermie, after restarting the computer, this command is no longer active
[01:21] <Nermie> so edit /etc/hdparm.conf
[01:21] <AristoMagnus> ok
[01:21] <bassplayer> the othe pc have winxp, is that ip ?
[01:22] <Nermie> bassplayer: it should have an ip
[01:22] <Nermie> or do computername
[01:22] <danko123456> if he deleted /usr/X11R6/bin/fgl_glxgears would that be a bad idea?
[01:22] <Nermie> if you choose a windows (smb) printer
[01:22] <Nermie> danko123456: that's just a benchmark prog
[01:22] <hybrid_goth> danko123456: it didnt crash this time i got- FATAL: could not inialize videofilters (-vf) or video output (-vo)
[01:22] <bassplayer> is the ip pi that is shown it the network confog in ubuntu ?
[01:22] <danko123456> david: sudo rm /usr/X11R6/bin/fgl_glxgears
[01:23] <Nermie> bassplayer: well no.. the ip of the machine with the printer attached
[01:23] <Nermie> common sense
[01:23] <Monkeylikesbanan> danko12345 video is playing thanks
[01:23] <danko123456> Nermie: do you ahppen to know how to open mplayer from a terminal with no file?
[01:23] <Nermie> gmplayer
[01:23] <danko123456> Monkeylikesbanan: excellent
[01:23] <Nermie> g=guo
[01:23] <Monkeylikesbanan> danko, and particular settings i should enable
[01:23] <Nermie> gui*
[01:23] <AristoMagnus> Nermie, after configuring the modprobe.d file, how can i reload the config
[01:23] <danko123456> Monkeylikesbanan: do you need any:)
[01:23] <bassplayer> ok, i'll try that
[01:24] <Nermie> AristoMagnus: depmod -a
[01:24] <Monkeylikesbanan> ill ask if i think i need help.. thank you very much danko123456
[01:24] <AristoMagnus> Nermie, thanks dude
[01:24] <Nermie> until the beer kills my brain
[01:24] <danko123456> Monkeylikesbanan: are you in the states?
[01:24] <Monkeylikesbanan> yehs
[01:24] <danko123456> you may be illegal now, please read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats about dvds......!
[01:25] <danko123456> you are welcome, off course...
[01:25] <Monkeylikesbanan> thank you......... ill move to canada
[01:25] <danko123456> :-p
[01:25] <danko123456> holy cow...
[01:26] <danko123456> that was something...
[01:27] <danko123456> Nermie: how about opening that mplayer with no file through terminal?
[01:27] <ShadowRage> what's the usual /etc/fstab entry for swap?
[01:27] <Nermie> danko123456: well.. mplayer in terminal expects a file
[01:28] <Nermie> gmplayer will give you a gui
[01:28] <danko123456> rg58sma, I was gonna  tell himhow to do it, he is so rash....
[01:28] <Nermie> ShadowRage: none
[01:28] <Nermie> ShadowRage: bah.. one sec.. sorry
[01:28] <danko123456> wow, hybrid, hear that?
[01:28] <danko123456> gmplayer in a terminal.
[01:28] <Nermie> /dev/hda4       none            swap    sw              0       0
[01:28] <hybrid_goth> ok
[01:28] <Nermie> switch the dev to be what you want
[01:28] <danko123456> is it on?
[01:28] <hybrid_goth> command not found gmplayer
[01:29] <danko123456> meh...why froom source?
[01:29] <ShadowRage> Nermie: thanks.. it's the 3rd flag I neede
[01:29] <ShadowRage> the sw
[01:29] <Nermie> :)
[01:29] <hybrid_goth> danko123456: me? for the stuff that is "restricted"
[01:29] <danko123456> yeah, well, I dunno,....
[01:29] <danko123456> specify somehow to use esd as out[ut plugin././.
[01:30] <danko123456> ask crimsun, he wouuld likely kno that.
[01:30] <danko123456> can you install the one from apt now?
[01:30] <spanglesontoast> what's the best firewall out there?
[01:30] <Nermal> spanglesontoast: iptables
[01:30] <danko123456> firecrazysupahwall.
[01:31] <spanglesontoast> is that normally with ubuntu?
[01:31] <Nermal> though you shouldn't need a firewall
[01:31] <Mathechyst> best firewall = disconnect network
[01:31] <Nermal> well.. yeah..
[01:31] <Mathechyst> :)
[01:32] <danko123456> Mathechyst: set your house on fire...
[01:32] <Nermal> iptables is merely a user level tool to kernel level packet filters
[01:32] <ShadowRage> Nermal: my swap won't mount
[01:32] <danko123456> well, not yours.....
[01:32] <Nermal> I'm not drunk enough yet
[01:32] <ShadowRage> /dev/hda7       none            swap    sw              0       0
[01:32] <Nermal> ShadowRage: swapon /dev/hda7
[01:32] <Nermal> as root
[01:32] <spanglesontoast> where is iptables?
[01:32] <ShadowRage> thanks
[01:32] <glick> so does anyone know why gnome is fuckin up just cause i installed a custom kernel
[01:32] <danko123456> I would say you aer just about the right drunkness.
[01:32] <Nermal> spanglesontoast: apt-get install iptables
[01:32] <ShadowRage> Nermal: earlier it was giving me command not found
[01:33] <Nermal> maybe install a gui to it as well
[01:33] <danko123456> glick gets slow load with gnome after recompiling the kernel...
[01:33] <ShadowRage> Nermal: explains why my system has been goping haywire over the past few days
[01:33] <Nermal> ShadowRage: hmm :|
[01:33] <Nermal> aye
[01:33] <ShadowRage> going*
[01:33] <Nermal> glick: yes..
[01:33] <ShadowRage> and the ram usage was 98%
[01:33] <ShadowRage> >__>
[01:33] <Nermal> because you installed a custom kernel ? :)
[01:33] <ccc> spanglesontoast: try firestarter for example.
[01:33] <Xappe> hmm, can I reduce the risk of filesystem crash due to bumby train rides somehow? the ubuntu on my ibook is totally screwed after watching some movies on the train
[01:33] <danko123456> Nermal: aka dr_obvious...
[01:33] <glick> Nermal: why?
[01:33] <Nermal> aye :D
[01:33] <spanglesontoast> so ubuntu not installed?
[01:33] <Nermal> well.. where is it hanging
[01:33] <spanglesontoast> with iptables
[01:34] <danko123456> Xappe: wow.
[01:34] <Nermal> spanglesontoast: I imagine so
[01:34] <Nermal> Xappe: make a ram disk and load the movie to there
[01:34] <Nermal> glick: well.. tell me
[01:34] <ShadowRage> Xappe: dont ride the train, or put the lappy on a soft surface that asorbs shock ;D
[01:34] <danko123456> glick, nermal asked you where it is hanging, jsut so you know that was for you...
[01:34] <danko123456> Xappe: that is weird, tho, was it really bumpy?
[01:34] <Nermal> could be local host name resolution ? ice problems ?
[01:35] <Nermal> socket connection problems
[01:35] <Nermal> etc
[01:35] <glick> Nermal: when i try to start anything that needs gnome libraries includeing gnome itself, after like 5-10 minutes the program starts
[01:35] <Xappe> danko123456: well, quite
[01:35] <Nermal> glick: tried stracing an app ?
[01:35] <danko123456> Xappe: I dont remember train rides being that bumpy...
[01:35] <Xappe> bu I thought anormal laptop would stand some rough handling
[01:35] <glick> Nermal: no i dont know how to do that
[01:35] <Nermal> strace <command>
[01:35] <danko123456> my g4 iBook has withstood some harsh stomping by a mad gf...so...
[01:36] <Xappe> could it be that ext3 is extra sensitive?
[01:36] <spanglesontoast> where can I get libswt-gtk3-java?
[01:36] <danko123456> in apt, why is it asking you for that?
[01:36] <Nermal> spanglesontoast: erm.. gtk3 aint out yet
[01:36] <Nermal> so now you're asking
[01:36] <danko123456> yeah, right:)
[01:36] <Nermal> Xappe: ext3 is very robust
[01:36] <daniel_bh> hi
[01:36] <danko123456> yo
[01:36] <Nermal> merely ext2 with a journal
[01:36] <daniel_bh> I need help with php4 and apache on ubuntu
[01:36] <danko123456> Xappe: what are you seeing?
[01:37] <Nermal> daniel_bh: ask away
[01:37] <spanglesontoast> must be an error in that guide then
[01:37] <spanglesontoast> sudo apt-get install libswt-gtk3-java
[01:37] <spanglesontoast> :(
[01:37] <danko123456> on your laptop, what is changed?
[01:37] <Xappe> duplicate/bad inodes and blocks
[01:37] <danko123456> spanglesontoast: which one?
[01:37] <glick> Nermal: and that will tell me what?
[01:37] <danko123456> Xappe: on the hard drive?
[01:37] <spanglesontoast> ubuntuguide.org
[01:37] <Nermal> glick: a shitload of debugging stuff
[01:37] <Xappe> danko123456: yes
[01:37] <Nermal> function calls etc
[01:37] <danko123456> yeah, sometimes it is not very good. for what, spanglesontoast what is the one you are following?
[01:38] <Nermal> system calls etc
[01:38] <Nermal> the meaning of life
[01:38] <Nermal> how to get laid
[01:38] <danko123456> Xappe: so, your hard drive got screwed, hm...
[01:38] <Nermal> all the useful stuff
[01:38] <spanglesontoast> azureus
[01:38] <daniel_bh> session is not worling in php4. Session variable is empty
[01:38] <danko123456> yeAh yeah...
[01:38] <Nermal> gah..sticky space bar.. I really shouldn't have spilt beer over it
[01:38] <daniel_bh> and there are 5 cookies
[01:38] <daniel_bh> 4 empty cookies and one with the data
[01:38] <Nermal> daniel_bh: hnmmmm.. odd
[01:38] <Nermal> daniel_bh: never seen that in ubunut
[01:38] <danko123456> Nermal: there aer minors here, why are you all vice?
[01:38] <Nermal> ubuntu*
[01:38] <daniel_bh> but Session keeps empty
[01:39] <Nermal> are you sure you're using $_SESSION[]  and not the old globals in php 3.x ?
[01:39] <Xappe> danko123456: well i'm not that familiar with hdd errors, fixed them with fsck and the system started. but now everything is sluggish and slow...
[01:39] <daniel_bh> I am using $_SESSION for sure
[01:39] <Nermal> danko123456: bah.
[01:39] <danko123456> spanglesontoast: did that? the sudo command it tells you to?
[01:39] <Nermal> hrm
[01:40] <danko123456> Xappe: me neither, never had issues with hd..
[01:40] <Nermal> hdparm -S <value >
[01:40] <danko123456> Nermal: works out there is some gtk3 stuff.
[01:40] <Nermal> make the hdd sleep
[01:40] <daniel_bh> can anybody send to me the session scope from php.ini? Just to see the one i am using is correct...
[01:40] <spanglesontoast> ok
[01:40] <danko123456> libswt-gtk3-java libswt-gtk3-jni both valid packages.
[01:40] <spanglesontoast> don't worry that package isn't needed
[01:40] <spanglesontoast> it works
[01:40] <danko123456> k, cool.
[01:40] <Nermal> daniel_bh: loads of people in ##php will know that :0
[01:40] <Nermal> :)
[01:41] <daniel_bh> ok
[01:41] <Xappe> my first thought was that it could be the file system crashing due to bumps during read/writes
[01:41] <daniel_bh> thanx
[01:41] <Nermal> always helpful there
[01:41] <Nermal> np
[01:41] <spanglesontoast> there a good site to spice up gnome
[01:41] <danko123456> coudl be...
[01:41] <Nermal> Xappe: linux normally caches disk stuff
[01:41] <Xappe> am I wrong there?
[01:41] <danko123456> spanglesontoast: art.gnome.org ww.gnome-look.org
[01:41] <Nermal> well.. sounds like your disk is on it's way out
[01:41] <Nermal> you could install a smart tool and see what the smart values are
[01:42] <Xappe> think I need a reinstall
[01:42] <Nermal> Xappe: apt-get install smartmontools
[01:42] <Nermal> :D
[01:42] <Xappe> because I can hardly use the system
[01:42] <spanglesontoast> ubuntu didn't install on my k6
[01:42] <Nermal> spanglesontoast: upgrade
[01:42] <Nermal> cpus are cheap these days
[01:42] <danko123456> too bad they dont fit into old mbos....
[01:43] <spanglesontoast> to what?
[01:43] <Nermal> danko123456: aye
[01:43] <Nermal> spanglesontoast: I dunno.. some cheap 2ghz thing
[01:43] <Nermal> they're a dime a dozen these days
[01:43] <Nermal> who cares about efficiency.. really.
[01:43] <danko123456> well:)
[01:43] <Nermal> mmm.. trace
[01:44] <Nermal> oops
[01:44] <Nermal> gah. I've consumed a gallon of strong beer
[01:44] <spanglesontoast> it's only a cheap server
[01:44] <Nermal> ah :|
[01:44] <jeff25> heh I'm installing ubuntu over the network using pxeboot...
[01:44] <danko123456> bah, slow down on that...otherwise you will be conquering the world in a few...nermal.
[01:44] <spanglesontoast> just wondering why I cannot use ubuntu
[01:44] <penguin42> hello
[01:44] <danko123456> hello all.
[01:44] <Nermal> danko123456: I know :|
[01:44] <Nermal> lo lo
[01:44] <jeff25> hoary is the current stable version right?
[01:45] <Nermal> aye
[01:45] <jeff25> cool
[01:45] <penguin42> can someone try 'hostid' on their ubuntu box and tell me what it gives? Mine gives 7f0100 which is unusually regular for my book
[01:45] <Nermal> 7f0100
[01:45] <Nermal> is what I get
[01:45] <pfp> 7f0100 too
[01:45] <penguin42> hmmmmmmm
[01:45] <Nermal> we're all the same :D
[01:46] <penguin42> (OK so there is no hostid - but whatever it is using it is not very useful!)
[01:46] <pfp> what's this hostid anyway? :)
[01:46] <penguin42> part of coreutils
[01:46] <cafuego> either that or you have the same mobo/nic
[01:46] <Nermal> nah
[01:46] <penguin42> I think it is using the IP of the loopback interface
[01:47] <cafuego> all generic x86 crap? ;-)
[01:47] <penguin42> nod - anyone got some non x86 stuff to hand?
[01:47] <cafuego> i can boot the imac, just a moment
[01:47] <Nermal> 64 beads
[01:48] <cafuego> and I can reboot the desktop to amd64
[01:48] <cafuego> but erm
[01:48] <penguin42> and on Fedora it is giving something more unique
[01:48] <cafuego> it's busy
[01:48] <penguin42> don't worry
[01:49] <cafuego> debian sarge gives me 7dca8f28 and a0a410a
[01:49] <Nermal> hum
[01:49] <penguin42> ok
[01:49] <Nermal> one sec
[01:49] <Nermal> 4450d25b <- debian sarge - UML host
[01:49] <cafuego> can you ftp the debian binary to ubuntu and run it?
[01:50] <cafuego> See what that does...
[01:50] <Nermal> a8c00200 <- gentoo dual celeron
[01:50] <jeff25> UML is sweet
[01:50] <Nermal> aye
[01:50] <Nermal> tis what my site runs on :)
[01:50] <jeff25> I run all my crappy linux module code in UML
[01:50] <danko123456> UML???Unified Modelling Language?
[01:50] <jeff25> so I don't hose my own system
[01:50] <Nermal> user mode linux
[01:50] <penguin42> danko123456: User Mode Linux
[01:50] <danko123456> ah...
[01:50] <Nermal> linux within linux
[01:50] <danko123456> I was like what...
[01:50] <jeff25> Nermal: you're running ubuntu all in UML ?
[01:51] <Nermal> russian doll linux if you will
[01:51] <Nermal> jeff25: no.. my hosting provider does UML hosts
[01:51] <jeff25> what do you run inside each UML ?
[01:51] <pfp> "russian doll linux" :DD
[01:51] <Nermal> jeff25: I have one UML host.. with them.. I run my websites and email from them
[01:51] <ShadowRage> hey
[01:51] <jeff25> Nermal: oh cool
[01:51] <ShadowRage> that would be a good name
[01:52] <jeff25> Nermal: is that so if you get hacked the whole system doesn't go down?
[01:52] <jasmuz> Hello all
[01:52] <pfp> strace says hsotid tries  to read /etc/hostid
[01:52] <jasmuz> anybody has run succesfully Wine?
[01:52] <Nermal> jeff25: no, it's so I get root at a cheaper price than colocating :P
[01:52] <jeff25> Nermal: oh
[01:52] <Nermal> :)
[01:52] <jeff25> Nermal: what do they run inside the UML? (what verion of linux) ?
[01:52] <Nermal> debian woody / sarge
[01:53] <jeff25> ah
[01:53] <Nermal> or gentoo (local compile farm) or redhat
[01:53] <jeff25> that's a good idea
[01:53] <Nermal> aye
[01:53] <Nermal> local mirrors too and sms watchdogs on the systems
[01:53] <Nermal> all good stuff
[01:53] <cafuego> 17f00 on ubuntu imac
[01:53] <jeff25> how many UMLs are on one host?
[01:53] <Nermal> and my company is paying for it atm :D
[01:53] <glickster> yeah so i am runnin strace gnome-terminal
[01:53] <jasmuz> Nermal, jeff25 have you guys run Wine?
[01:53] <Nermal> jeff25: they run about 20
[01:54] <glickster> and it doesnt do shit for me
[01:54] <Nermal> dual xeon / 2 - 4gb ram
[01:54] <penguin42> cafuego: endian safe not am I!
[01:54] <glickster> i dont know what these debug statements mean
[01:54] <Nermal> jasmuz: noo :|
[01:54] <jeff25> jasmuz: yeah
[01:54] <jeff25> I don't really like wine
[01:54] <jasmuz> jeff25, has it worked for you?
[01:54] <danko123456> glickster: that is why you pastebhin them, and ask waht they mean,
[01:54] <jeff25> jasmuz: not really
[01:54] <jeff25> jasmuz: depends on the application
[01:54] <cafuego> @find bin/hostid
[01:54] <jasmuz> jeff25,  im asking before i start fiddeling
[01:54] <jeff25> jasmuz: some apps work fine, others don't
[01:54] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'bin/hostid' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/hostid) in base/coreutils.
[01:55] <penguin42> cafuego: hostid is part of coreutils
[01:55] <jasmuz> jeff25, like what apps gave you probs?
[01:55] <spanglesontoast> so how do I edit iptables?
[01:56] <cafuego> spanglesontoast: Normally you'd delete and insert rules.
[01:56] <cafuego> spanglesontoast: if you use some frontend, use that instead.
[01:56] <pfp> spanglesontoast: iptables -L -vn == list stuff, iptables -A <chain> -rules -foo == append
[01:56] <penguin42> thanks all
[01:56] <glickster> it hangs on conect(18, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(16001), sin_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16
[01:57] <glickster> connect(18, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(16001), sin_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16
[01:57] <danko123456> firewall?
[01:58] <jeff25> jasmuz: I don't remember.
[01:58] <jeff25> jasmuz: just install it and play with it
[01:58] <cafuego> it must be, otheriwase it's just fail with 'connection refused'
[01:58] <Nermal> spanglesontoast: use a frontend
[01:58] <danko123456> ifconfig, perhaps that will tell you something, glickster
[01:58] <jasmuz> jeff25, i will
[01:58] <Nermal> glickster: thought so
[01:58] <eonia> Hey guys. My ubuntu live went into stand-by with a screensaver, and demands a password to "re-login." So. What's the password? I've tried the intuitive approach to no avail.
[01:58] <cafuego> eonia: your password
[01:58] <Nermal> you haven't compiled a kernel with loopback interface support
[01:58] <Nermal> that's your problem
[01:58] <Nermal> compile a kernel with loopback support
[01:58] <Nermal> :)
[01:58] <cafuego> eonia: Oh, you didn't give it one h... hmm.
[01:58] <glickster> Nermal, what do you mean thouhtso?
[01:59] <eonia> cafuego: I don't have a password :) It's a live cd :)
[01:59] <Nermal> glickster: it's normally something tcp related
[01:59] <Nermal> so do what I said
[01:59] <cafuego> eonia: Did you try a blank pass or 'ubuntu' ?
[01:59] <glickster> Nermal, i have lo running
[01:59] <justin> eonia: hit control-alt-f1 and set one
[01:59] <glickster> according to ifconfig
[01:59] <Nermal> glickster: d0h
[01:59] <shortcircuit> so why dont i use breezy yet?
[01:59] <eonia> cafuego: yes, I tried the usual suspects
[01:59] <pfp> eonia: empty (just enter) doesn't work?
[01:59] <cafuego> shortcircuit: breezy is bro-o-o-ken
[01:59] <shortcircuit> i just put colony1 on a laptop
[01:59] <cafuego> shortcircuit: See /topic
[01:59] <Nermal> can you ping it ?
[01:59] <eonia> pfp: no, ubuntu, none, and no entry does not work
[02:00] <jeff25> I'm installing ubuntu on my laptop with pxeboot.  Works good
[02:00] <cafuego> eonia: what justin said, ctrl-alt-F1 and set a password.
[02:00] <owlmanatt> How can I get the first boot stuff to rerun?
[02:00] <danko123456> haha, eonia:) stupid concept of thast x screensaver...no password:)
[02:00] <eonia> will that work even though I'm not logged in yet? :)
[02:00] <eonia> I mean, with the screensaver going
[02:00] <Stalagna> hey, every time i try and download the macromedia flash plugin it downloads and says install fails, any suggestions?
[02:00] <justin> could probably also killall xscreensaver from there as well
[02:00] <glickster> do i need CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CRYPTOLOOP?
[02:00] <firepol> hi there, i have a problem with GNOME: when i login i only see the background, but no menus, no iconms, nothing else appears. do u know if there is a gnome logfile to check to see what was the error opr what's happening? I installed kubuntu and if i login using kde: no problem.
[02:01] <cafuego> eonia: f1 is a copnsole (that should be already logged in) just try...
[02:01] <danko123456> Stalagna: from apt-get?
[02:01] <glickster> i have CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP
[02:01] <Stalagna> no through the browser
[02:01] <shortcircuit> are the breezy repos ok to use?
[02:01] <eonia> ok. Thanks justin, cefeugo. Brb :)
[02:01] <jasmuz> Take care
[02:01] <shortcircuit> other then broken as hell?
[02:01] <danko123456> shortcircuit: in one word, no...
[02:01] <danko123456> firepol: is everything woriing, tho, just no icons?
[02:02] <cafuego> shortcircuit: If you install breezy, you will not be able to use X. At all. It's broken.
[02:02] <danko123456> Stalagna: use synaptic to isntall flash support.
[02:02] <shortcircuit> i figured that much out alredy
[02:02] <owlmanatt> Is there any way to run the firstboot stuff again after tge furstboot?
[02:02] <cafuego> shortcircuit: So why do you need to ask then?
[02:02] <danko123456> owlmanatt: more info, please.
[02:02] <kent> firepol, one solution to figure out what went wrong, is to rightclick (if you can) on the background and select "run terminal" and start "gnome-panel" from that terminal.
[02:03] <FR500> hello
[02:03] <Moder> hi
[02:03] <FR500> my usb1.1 drive doesn't mount automatically
[02:03] <FR500> should it work?
[02:03] <danko123456> firepol: oh, no panel?
[02:03] <paxmaster> hello; could i use debian packages and how
[02:04] <glickster> does gnome need crypto loopback?
[02:04] <firepol> danko: i have the impression nothing is loading
[02:04] <firepol> kent: i cant do that
[02:04] <danko123456> paxmaster: yeah, add the debian repository to apt, and then, apt-get update, apt-get instal package, remove repositories, sudo apt-get update
[02:05] <danko123456> firepol, so clicking the dektop does nothing?
[02:05] <firepol> danko: no panel, nothing, even the background is not the official gnome background... i dont know what i did but once i turned on my computer and i had this problem
[02:05] <jeff25> if you install ubuntu do you HAVE to keep using gnone?
[02:05] <jeff25> or can I install another WM
[02:05] <danko123456> ah...firepol, I had similar issues at one time, sorry, not sure what to do...
[02:05] <firepol> danko: exactly, clicking the desktop: nothing happens. if i load KDE, KDE works
[02:05] <danko123456> jeff25: yes, you can.
[02:06] <justin> firepol: doesn't the gdm menu give you the option for failsafe gnome session?
[02:06] <paxmaster> what about the t option in apt-get
[02:06] <jeff25> danko123456: does fluxbox work?
[02:06] <firepol> justin: now im using KDM
[02:06] <danko123456> paxmaster: you would have to tell me the package, and that, Ill tell yhou more.
[02:06] <danko123456> jeff25: eys, it does.
[02:06] <jeff25> danko123456: can I have both KDE and Gnone on the same machine?
[02:06] <danko123456> yes, and 15 others, I do...
[02:06] <Stalagna> Danko: flash support does not show up as an option to download
[02:06] <danko123456> hjsut a sec,.
[02:06] <poningru> whats the upgrade for firefox for?
[02:06] <firepol> justin, is there a way to select a failsafe run from gdm?
[02:06] <jeff25> danko123456: do does it matter if I install ubuntu or kubuntu?
[02:06] <paxmaster> ok xchm
[02:07] <jeff25> danko123456: I mean does it matter which one
[02:07] <danko123456> Stalagna: sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[02:07] <firepol> jeff: no problem
[02:07] <danko123456> jeff, not to me:-p
[02:07] <nalioth> jeff25: do you have the kubuntu install disk?
[02:07] <firepol> jefF: just install flusxbox, from gm or kdm u'll be able to select fluxbox
[02:07] <jeff25> nalioth: yeah
[02:07] <eonia> re: justin, cafuego: it worked. using sudo passwd of course :) thanks for the tip
[02:07] <danko123456> paxmaster, sudo apt-get install xchm
[02:08] <nalioth> jeff25: i just got here, so don't know the situation
[02:08] <danko123456> jeff25: session is what you need to click on once there.
[02:08] <danko123456> nalioth: nothing, just wondering about wms, can he use more, and how, and that...
[02:08] <jeff25> danko123456: I mean if I'm going to have a ton of WMs installed, which install disk should I use ?
[02:08] <danko123456> either, I knew that is what you meant:)
[02:08] <danko123456> I was jj.
[02:08] <jeff25> oh heh
[02:08] <danko123456> I think both should be same for that.
[02:09] <jeff25> okay :)
[02:09] <Stalagna> Danko: couldn't find package
[02:09] <jeff25> I'll just use ubuntu
[02:09] <jeff25> install disk
[02:09] <danko123456> ok, Stalagna, follow this. sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:10] <firepol> danko, u said u had similar issues, dont u remember what u did to fix it?
[02:10] <firepol> if there are some gnome config files, if i delete them it shlould recreate them correctly, and it should qwork, question is what are the files to delete?
[02:10] <danko123456> no, I never did, it went away, then yaboot got screwed, and so on.
[02:11] <nalioth> danko123456: jeff25 i have about 8 WMs on my poor little ibook
[02:11] <danko123456> Stalagna: make your sources.list into what it says here. http://pastebin.com/291054
 hey guys Im running into a problem with variuos liveCDs with resolution
 Im getting multiple vertical screens out of sync
 is this my monitor or vidio card and what specs can I change to get started
 the only two Live distros I dont have a problem with are DSL
 and slax but even slax defaults to 640x480
 any thoughts?
[02:11] <danko123456> nalioth: you are a female, eh?:)
[02:11] <dElAvA> ^also with ubuntu
[02:11] <danko123456> I though you were a guy:)
[02:11] <firepol> i dont want to reinstall ubuntu in order to fix this... there should be a solution, now im using kde but id like to use gnome
[02:11] <nalioth> danko123456: jeff25 even use some of the them (other than kde/gnome) sometimes
[02:11] <danko123456> nalioth: just used 9wm today, pretty cool.
[02:12] <nalioth> danko123456: don't know where you got that idea (i think i do, now that i remember)i'm a gruff male taxi driver
[02:12] <dElAvA> its the nic I think
[02:12] <cafuego> doobiedoobiedoo
[02:12] <danko123456> nalioth: that guy saying you are pregnant...
[02:13] <paulgnu> hello
[02:13] <danko123456> hey
[02:14] <paulgnu> espa;ol
[02:14] <nalioth> danko123456: unfortunatly that guy is not all there (ya can hear the 6-pack sloshin, if ya know what i mean)
[02:14] <danko123456> delava, well, you have a graphics card?
[02:14] <danko123456> haha,,,yeah,...
[02:14] <danko123456> I was like, what???
[02:14] <danko123456> kool, thats settled, then:)
[02:14] <dElAvA> yes danko
[02:14] <dElAvA> its a nvidia
[02:14] <nalioth> paulgnu: hablamos espanol en el #ubuntu-es
[02:14] <danko123456> did you look into the xorg.conf file, with specifyin the refresh rates, and what not?
[02:15] <dElAvA> how can I find that info for my monitor
[02:16] <danko123456> through reading the fine manual:)
[02:16] <dElAvA> Id rtfm if I had it :)
[02:16] <danko123456> get it off the web...
[02:17] <Shuddertrix> some older monitors list them on the back. Harness the power of Google, try your monitor's model.
[02:17] <danko123456> maybe:-/
[02:17] <pfp> google <monitor> HorizSync
[02:17] <Shuddertrix> If Google isn't your thing, then use $SEARCH-ENGINE
[02:18] <zazeem> anyone know how to get icons on desktop after installing games from cedega?
[02:18] <dElAvA> actually if I remember right ubuntu does it even in text mode
[02:18] <FR500> zazeem, do u have registered cedega?
[02:18] <dElAvA> the text is stagerd
[02:18] <jason^> what dhcp client does ubuntu use by default?
[02:18] <zazeem> ya
[02:18] <thenuke> jason^: dhclient
[02:19] <FR500> why don't u use point2play?
[02:19] <jason^> thanks thenuke
[02:19] <danko123456> zazeem: I know how to make gnome have, and not have any icons on the desktop at all, and I know how to put the trash, and those icons on the desktop, if that is related.
[02:19] <zazeem> point2play??
[02:19] <thenuke> jason^: happy to help you
[02:19] <shortcircuit> the university of minnesota hacked my firefox, it always starts with their site, my home page is set to something else, ive tryed deleting my .mozilla folder, even reinstalling firefox
[02:19] <shortcircuit> nuttin works
[02:19] <FR500> zazeem, it's a frontendo
[02:19] <Shuddertrix> zazeem: point2play creates icons IIRC, you can just create a launcher however.
[02:19] <nalioth> shortcircuit: try "about:config"
[02:19] <nalioth> shortcircuit: in the address bar
[02:19] <FR500> zaydana, anyways, you can create a launcher: "cedega /path_to_game/game_exe.exe"
[02:20] <nalioth> shortcircuit: be careful, you could really add cruftiness
[02:20] <zazeem> hmm
[02:20] <zazeem> k ill try
[02:20] <shortcircuit> is that from my home folder?
[02:20] <dElAvA> k wish my luck
[02:21] <shortcircuit> nalioth, whare is this file?
[02:21] <danko123456> (19:20:59) nalioth: shortcircuit: try "about:config"   ..1:08) nalioth: shortcircuit: in the address bar
[02:21] <zazeem> should i have point2play?
[02:22] <Shuddertrix> about:config is the firefox raw configuration. type it in the address bar.
[02:22] <nalioth> shortcircuit: open your university of mn firefox, and instead of putting www.google.com in the address bar, put "about:config" (without the """)
[02:22] <danko123456> zazeem: what exactly are you trying to do??
[02:22] <danko123456> I dont get it.
[02:22] <shortcircuit> i know i got to it
[02:22] <raz> following a post on installing mplayer, i get to the point where i "make" (compile?).. so after some time.. i get this msg: "collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[02:22] <raz> make: *** [mplayer]  Error 1
[02:22] <raz> ".. any ideas?
[02:22] <Shuddertrix> zazeem: it's highly recommended that you do use p2p, but it's not required.. get it from transgaming.com/download.php
[02:22] <danko123456> raz, there is a mplayer in apt-get./
[02:23] <shortcircuit> nalioth, i was wondering if this was some config file on my system
[02:23] <raz> danko123456, yes, but this one compiles it according to your machine/specs..
[02:23] <nalioth> shortcircuit: yes it is.
[02:23] <nalioth> shortcircuit: it is your firefox config
[02:23] <shortcircuit> in my home .mozilla dir?
[02:23] <nalioth> shortcircuit: search it for "universityofminnesota.edu" or whatever
[02:24] <danko123456> raz, maybe this helps... http://pastebin.com/291056
[02:24] <nalioth> shortcircuit: you can manually edit the files in your .mozilla/mozilla-firefox/ dirs, but about:config is easier
[02:24] <shortcircuit> i see
[02:24] <danko123456> raz, it involves reading, tho...not a lot///
[02:24] <shortcircuit> thanks alot, i never knew this
[02:26] <raz> danko123456, alright, thanks, will retry compiling it..
[02:26] <glick> ok something weird id goin on
[02:27] <spinifex> how do I get `aclocal` ?
[02:27] <glick> for one thing upon boot, my ethernet is not turned on
[02:27] <glick> and i ror temp failure in name resolution
[02:27] <glick> when it starts starting services
[02:27] <glick> i have to manually run ifconfig eth0 up
[02:27] <glick> and dhclient
[02:28] <danko123456> glick, the ror is normal.
[02:29] <fishynet> during the ubuntu install, can you choose the FS you want to use?
[02:29] <pfp> spinifex: i think the autoconf package has it
[02:29] <danko123456> fishynet: yes, oc.
[02:31] <zazeem> how do i make a launcher in toolbar for cedega games??
[02:31] <zazeem> installed steam
[02:31] <holycow> hey i have an existential question for everyone
[02:31] <IIIEars> If there is an .sh file create a link and drag it to the desk
[02:31] <glick> danko123456, i didnt get that when i ran the default kernels
[02:31] <holycow> is it wrong to use a microsoft mouse with a linux install?
[02:32] <glick> also gnome wasnt b0rkin on me
[02:32] <glick> but the default kernels didnt support my hardare
[02:32] <Monkeylikesbanan> can someone help me... i have mounted my floppy drive but i cant get write access
[02:32] <spinifex> pfp: I installed that package.  Do I want the 'autoconf-archive' package too?
[02:32] <IIIEars> there is and app called smeg simple menu editor for gnome tha might work for you also (Amaranth made it)
[02:32] <danko123456> glick, always happens here, prolly related to your localhost, if you are on dhcp/cable, pppoe always has that ror.
[02:33] <danko123456> Monkeylikesbanan: how did you mount it?
[02:33] <danko123456> holycow: yeah...didnt you know?
[02:33] <glick> danko123456, but why doesnt my eth automatically come up?
[02:33] <glick> anymore
[02:33] <Monkeylikesbanan> sudo mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[02:33] <danko123456> not sure, maybe related to the lo thing, did you fix that?
[02:34] <Monkeylikesbanan> lo thing?
[02:34] <danko123456> not you.
[02:34] <Monkeylikesbanan> o
[02:34] <spinifex> =[  nope, still no aclocal
[02:34] <raz> danko123456, retried compiling.. still get this error after i 'make':
[02:34] <raz> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[02:34] <raz> make: *** [mplayer]  Error 1
[02:34] <danko123456>  sudo chmod +wxr /media/floppy
[02:34] <danko123456> raz, did you configure?
[02:34] <raz> yes
[02:34] <danko123456> the chmod is for you Monkeylikesbanan.
[02:34] <Monkeylikesbanan> danko123456 should i unmount first
[02:35] <danko123456> nope, should be fine.
[02:35] <Monkeylikesbanan> ok
[02:35] <Monkeylikesbanan> ths
[02:35] <danko123456> try, then thank:)
[02:35] <danko123456> raz, show me everything you do in a pastebin.
[02:36] <zazeem> can someone help me?? im tryin to make a launcher for steam but cant figure it out this is the command that starts steam /home/zazeem/TransGaming_Drive/Program\ Files/Valve/Steam/Steam.exe any ideas??
[02:36] <zazeem> would like icon on desktop
[02:36] <zazeem> :/
[02:36] <Monkeylikesbanan> danko123456, entered that command, nothing happened
[02:37] <Monkeylikesbanan> should i edet /etc/fstab
[02:37] <Mestapheles> has anyone noticed that the hoary efax-gtk version is 2.0.5a, yet the dev's site does't list this version?
[02:38] <zazeem> how do i edit the x11/x86 config??
[02:38] <zazeem> need to get rid of high resolutions :/
[02:38] <nickrud> zazeem, the easiest way is to add a custom launcher to the toolbar, and drag it to the desktop
[02:38] <zazeem> how do i do that
[02:38] <zazeem> ?
[02:39] <Mestapheles> well do you know where the config is?
[02:39] <glick> danko123456, yeah i removed the ppp startup script from my runlevel directory and it still does it
[02:39] <zazeem> no
[02:39] <danko123456> Monkeylikesbanan: yeah, nothing is supposed to happen.
[02:39] <danko123456> can you write to it now?
[02:39] <zazeem> its just a system cfg
[02:39] <Monkeylikesbanan> no
[02:39] <nickrud> right click the panel, add to panel, custom launcher
[02:39] <Mestapheles> nano it- it's the easiest
[02:39] <danko123456> glick, I am not raelly confident I could help you, tho.
[02:39] <danko123456> sorry:(
[02:39] <Mestapheles> don't know?  locate it
[02:39] <raz> danko123456, is there a way to have terminal log to a txt file?
[02:39] <zazeem> i trid this
[02:39] <Mestapheles> how?
[02:40] <danko123456> yes, raz, why again?
[02:40] <nickrud> zazeem, I just tested it with gedit
[02:40] <danko123456> oh, well, copy and paste to a http://pastebin.com
[02:40] <Mestapheles> use the locate command
[02:40] <zazeem> tested what?
[02:40] <zazeem> nickrud*
[02:40] <Mestapheles> locate THENAMEOFTHEFILE
[02:41] <nickrud> zazeem, see Mestapheles
[02:41] <zazeem> nickrud, this is path /home/zazeem/TransGaming_Drive/Program\ Files/Valve/Steam/Steam.exe
[02:41] <Monkeylikesbanan> danko123456, i have /etc/fstab open in gedit.. set as rw for fd0... still no write access
[02:41] <zazeem> mesta?
[02:41] <zazeem> locate what file
[02:41] <zazeem> ??
[02:41] <danko123456> Monkeylikesbanan: ok, lets get on this...
[02:41] <zazeem> here it is /home/zazeem/TransGaming_Drive/Program\ Files/Valve/Steam/Steam.exe
[02:41] <nickrud> zazeem, you already did :)
[02:41] <jeff25> what's the fastest way to transfer files between machines?
[02:41] <Mestapheles> nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:41] <jeff25> on a LAN
[02:41] <danko123456> please ls /media/fd0 and paste the output to a pastebin, then also, sudo ls /media/fd0
[02:42] <nickrud> i don't use wine, but i think it's wine /path/to/file
[02:42] <Mestapheles> X's conf is always under /etc/X11
[02:42] <Mestapheles> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:42] <Monkeylikesbanan> ok
[02:42] <calamari> jeff25: ftp?
[02:42] <DeFi> jeff25, scp
[02:42] <raz> danko123456, well, i would copy/paste to pastebin everything im doing in terminal, but 'make' generates lots of text and would like to be able to log it to a TXT... know how?
[02:42] <calamari> DeFi: that's not as fast (encryption)
[02:42] <zazeem> tried it mesta
[02:42] <glick> anyone knoe what ror: temp failure in name resolution means at bootup?
[02:42] <glick> for some reason it doesnt start my network interface
[02:43] <jeff25> DeFi: scp is encrpypted so it's slower
[02:43] <DeFi> true calamari, always been fast enough 4 me
[02:43] <danko123456> yes, make >file.txt I think...
[02:43] <zazeem> im looking for the one that has screen resolutions so i can delete high ones same command i used last install i just forgot
[02:43] <Mestapheles> cd /etc/X11/
[02:43] <Mestapheles> do that
[02:43] <danko123456> make > ile.txt
[02:43] <zazeem> k
[02:43] <zazeem> now what
[02:43] <Mestapheles> do "ls"
[02:43] <zazeem> k
[02:43] <Mestapheles> what does it show?
[02:43] <zazeem> bunch of stuff
[02:44] <poningru> guys I had a question what is the update for firefox for?
[02:44] <Mestapheles> yes
[02:44] <danko123456> Monkeylikesbanan: you always need to post the URL of your pastebin.
[02:44] <Mestapheles> any file ending in .conf ?
[02:44] <zazeem> ya xorg
[02:44] <poningru> anyone know?
[02:44] <Mestapheles> there you go
[02:44] <zazeem> gedit xorg
[02:44] <Mestapheles> no
[02:44] <danko123456> poningru: which update? the 1.0.4 thing? extras/addons/extensions..I think...
[02:44] <calamari> jeff25: I'm not sure about http.. it always seemed slightly faster than ftp.. but that could just be my imagination
[02:44] <zazeem> how do i gedit it
[02:44] <xiaogil> what command line can i use to replace all the 'a' by 'b' in a text file ?
[02:44] <Mestapheles> you need to run sudo to edit and save that file
[02:44] <poningru> the one released today
[02:45] <zazeem> o i got thnx <3
[02:45] <zazeem> isnt there also an nvidia line to add used to be in ubuntu guide but not anymore
[02:45] <zazeem> like agp 1
[02:45] <Mestapheles> I don't use gedit as sudo but sudo gedit xorg.conf should work
[02:45] <danko123456> poningru: havent heard of it yet.
[02:45] <Monkeylikesbanan> danko123456, im not really sure what you would like.. should i give you a pastebin of my fstab?
[02:45] <jeff25> calamari: trying to max out my gigabit net here ... need to backup 60gigs
[02:46] <Mestapheles> don't use nvidia, they are evil
[02:46] <danko123456> no, just ls /media/fd0 and paste the output to the pastebin, and also sudo ls /media/fd0
[02:46] <zazeem> :P
[02:46] <danko123456> Monkeylikesbanan: ^
[02:46] <X7C> !
[02:46] <zazeem> lol
[02:46] <poningru> danko123456: you didnt upgrade yet?
[02:46] <zazeem> wow cedega has worst support channel ever.
[02:46] <calamari> jeff25: Downloader for X, perhaps? :)
[02:46] <danko123456> Ive noticed the update icon:)
[02:46] <hybrid_goth> hello all
[02:46] <holycow> Mestapheles, maybe, but no one else comes close to their level of performance particularly in terms of drivers :/
[02:46] <danko123456> hey, goth.
[02:47] <Monkeylikesbanan> danko123456, entered that commaant in terminal, and nothing
[02:47] <zazeem> mestapheles, any idea how to make an app launcher for a cedega game?
[02:47] <Mestapheles> zazeem: anyway find out what out you got to edit and save it.
[02:47] <zazeem> i did
[02:47] <hybrid_goth> danko123456: hows it goin
[02:47] <danko123456> there is no update in mine, poningru...
[02:47] <jeff25> calamari: I've got 4 ftp's going all at 50Megs/sec
[02:47] <zazeem> done wit that :) thanks 3
[02:47] <danko123456> k, I guess:)
[02:47] <jeff25> calamari: this should do the trick
[02:47] <poningru> wtf
[02:47] <calamari> jeff25: nice :)
[02:47] <poningru> hmm
[02:47] <danko123456> Monkeylikesbanan: unm, just paste whatever it does, tho.
[02:47] <X7C> can i take out the knoppix cd one it loaded?
[02:47] <Monkeylikesbanan> ok
[02:47] <Mestapheles> don't run that stuff.  sorry.  For that kind of stuff you have to do your own reading
[02:47] <zazeem> ok
[02:47] <zazeem> used to gimme an icon after an install
[02:47] <danko123456> X7C: is this #knoppix:)
[02:47] <zazeem> dunno why it stopped
[02:48] <danko123456> maybe you can, maybe not.
[02:48] <X7C> they don't answer me there :(
[02:48] <hitchhiker|fake> hi
[02:48] <Mestapheles> hi holycow
[02:48] <danko123456> well, try taking it out, whats the worst that could happen?
[02:48] <hitchhiker|fake> o.O
[02:48] <danko123456> prolly needed, tho.
[02:48] <glick> does anyone have any idea why gnome takes forever to load and i get name lookup failure at system boot, and my eth card isnt starteD?
[02:48] <glick> i compiled a custom kernel
[02:48] <glick> but that same kernel works flawlessly in debian
[02:49] <Mestapheles> zazeem: in the future, if you can't find a file "locate FILE".  you could do a "sudo updatedb" before though to update your database
[02:49] <nalioth> brb
[02:50] <Mestapheles> and you can less it if its a really long output
[02:51] <Monkeylikesbanan> danko123456, http://pastebin.com/291067
[02:51] <danko123456> sweet, thanks.
[02:51] <danko123456> ok, now, "vi g"in a terminal, no "
[02:52] <danko123456> then, i and insert one leter into the file, escape, and shift+zz
[02:52] <danko123456> then, mv g /media/floppy
[02:52] <danko123456> then, if that dont work, sudo mv g /media/floppy
[02:53] <Mestapheles> so i take it nobody is using efax-gtk?
[02:53] <danko123456> IIIEars is for sure,ask him...
[02:53] <janus> hello
[02:53] <danko123456> hey, janus.
[02:54] <Monkeylikesbanan> not sure if i did it right... "mv: cannot create regular file media/flopy/g permission denied
[02:54] <IIIEars> Hello! :)
[02:54] <janus> i am french ubuntu
[02:54] <danko123456> ok, well, create a file called g, in your folder, please.
[02:54] <danko123456> or any small text file, please.
[02:54] <Mestapheles> IIIEars: you using effax-gtk ?
[02:54] <danko123456> in your folder where you are.
[02:54] <janus> yes
[02:54] <Monkeylikesbanan> named g
[02:54] <danko123456> janus: ubuntu-fr also maybve works...
[02:55] <danko123456> wwell..
[02:55] <danko123456> ":
[02:55] <IIIEars> No - I don't thinks so. - how do i see?
[02:55] <glick> all gnome programs hang at that call to connect()
[02:55] <danko123456> sure, yeah, g is a fine name:)
[02:55] <Monkeylikesbanan> danko123456, file "g" was created in home folder
[02:55] <danko123456> k, mv ~/g /media/floppy
[02:55] <danko123456> then, if you get permission error, sudo same command
[02:56] <nickrud> Mestapheles, I've used efax-gtk before
[02:56] <Monkeylikesbanan> same, permission denied msg
[02:56] <jfclavette> Hello, I've just installed Eclipse and CDT.  Everything works fine but whenever I try to build a Project, make spouts the following error: /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/../../../crt1.o: file not recognized: File format not recognized
[02:56] <Monkeylikesbanan> ok
[02:57] <danko123456> on both, Monkeylikesbanan? please paste the output again, if its not too hard?
[02:57] <Monkeylikesbanan> ok
[02:57] <jfclavette> I also opened a terminal and running make directly does the same.
[02:57] <danko123456> jfclavette: did you just get the installation file from eclipse?
[02:57] <jfclavette> yes
[02:58] <danko123456> ok, that is as much as I can tell you about that.
[02:58] <Mestapheles> I just go it running.  It freezes, doesn't deposit sent faxes into sent faxes folder. Pretty easy to set up. but I wonder why hoary lists 2.0.5a and the dev's site skips over it
[02:58] <danko123456> fags...:)
[02:58] <nickrud> Mestapheles, I said I used it, I never said I got anything done :)
[02:58] <danko123456> I hate al the hype":)
[02:59] <Mestapheles> nickrud:3.0.1 is the lastest dev'd version
[02:59] <Mestapheles> lol
[02:59] <Mestapheles> did it not work?
[02:59] <Monkeylikesbanan> danko123456 http://pastebin.com/291068
[03:00] <nickrud> Mestapheles, kdeprintfax from openoffice, and hylafax was my solution.
[03:00] <penguinparty> hi all . . . ive been fighting with alsa for too many days . . . I really want to get it fixed
[03:00] <danko123456> hehe, Monkeylikesbanan do the sudo again.
[03:00] <Monkeylikesbanan> sure
[03:00] <danko123456> you had a ' that is why it wouldnt execute
[03:00] <Mestapheles> hylafax easy to set up?
[03:00] <nickrud> no, did not work, but that was also in debian
[03:00] <penguinparty> I got no /dev/dsp . . . in dmesg shows that the module snd_au8820 craps out
[03:00] <Monkeylikesbanan> oops
[03:00] <nickrud> not simple, but not hard, either
[03:01] <penguinparty> I tried intsalling the new alsa drivers 1.0.9rc4a
[03:01] <penguinparty> but I dont know if they are the ones that are working cause /proc/asound/version shows 1.0.8
[03:01] <nickrud> i used some old x wysiwyg to get my ps template for the coverpage
[03:01] <danko123456> penguinparty: I know, I was reading some of the stuff you did with crimsun, he couldnt get it working???
[03:01] <Mestapheles> so what did work? Just kdeprintfax?  I'll know on monday if efaxgtk worked.  efax thinks it did work and it did dial
[03:02] <danko123456> Monkeylikesbanan: works?
[03:02] <Monkeylikesbanan> http://pastebin.com/291069
[03:02] <penguinparty> danko: we got so far as to install the new rc4a stuff from alsa but /proc/asound/version shows 1.0.8 I donno what is loading the old modules
[03:02] <nickrud> Mestapheles, yeah, point openoffice's fax printer at kprinter, or kdeprintfax, I'm vague on the exact name, I don't have it set up
[03:02] <danko123456> ok, so you didnt get to finish everything with crimsun?
[03:02] <danko123456> Monkeylikesbanan: thanks, sec.
[03:03] <Mestapheles> obviously I need kde though
[03:03] <CrustyPunk> Question, and don't worry! I didn't fuck something up this time! (I hope.)
[03:03] <penguinparty> I deleted all of the old modules from what I can tell out of /lib/modules . . ./kernel/ and copied in all the stuff from /lib/modules/.../update/...
[03:03] <danko123456> ok, sudo chown root g in a temrminal, Monkeylikesbanan.
[03:03] <nickrud> Mestapheles, just get the fax printer, I think. you don't need all of kde
[03:03] <penguinparty> just to be sure that I got rid of the old modules
[03:03] <danko123456> penguinparty: not finished, one of you ahd to go?
[03:03] <CrustyPunk> Is it utterly impossible to set up a dual boot if you install Windows after you install Linux?
[03:03] <Monkeylikesbanan> then that command after?
[03:04] <danko123456> then mv again, yes.
[03:04] <penguinparty> I cant rmmod snd_au8820 . . . Ya I had to go
[03:04] <danko123456> just to see.
[03:04] <Mestapheles> kool.  So I take it there weren't any of the problems I described with efax-gtk.  kool
[03:04] <danko123456> it is not the fix yet, just to see if anything works.
[03:04] <danko123456> penguinparty: best bet to wait for him, I would definitely think...since he is the alsa specialist, and he did part of the work...
[03:04] <dcraven> CrustyPunk: You can fix grub from a livecd.
[03:05] <penguinparty> danko: do you know when he usually is around?
[03:05] <danko123456> CrustyPunk: have you tried that pastebin I gave you?
[03:05] <nickrud> Mestapheles, worked really well, and faxes can be emailed to you as ps attachments, sent to a printer, etc
[03:05] <danko123456> a little later, in a few hours.
[03:05] <danko123456> I think.
[03:05] <Mestapheles> thanks nickrud
[03:05] <penguinparty> danko: ok ill keep working with him
[03:05] <CrustyPunk> danko123456, yeah. It didn't work. I gave up after trying more stuff and reinstalled Winblows, which is where I am now.
[03:05] <nickrud> np, it's worth having
[03:05] <danko123456> man, bad idea, if you ask me...
[03:05] <danko123456> weird that didnt work..
[03:05] <CrustyPunk> Can you fix Grub with the non-live cd?
[03:06] <danko123456> yeah, you should bne able to...jsut do that, an expert install and just install grub...
[03:06] <danko123456> or even, cancel out of the normal process, and choose just to iunstall grub.
[03:07] <danko123456> but nothing I have already tried,
[03:07] <nickrud> Mestapheles, check that, they were tiff images that were mailed.
[03:07] <CrustyPunk> I don't recall ever seeing an "expert" install, just the option to install a server or regular
[03:07] <danko123456> Monkeylikesbanan: pastebin again???
[03:07] <danko123456> or works?
[03:07] <Monkeylikesbanan> danko123456, is that sudo chown /root/g
[03:07] <Monkeylikesbanan> or is that wrong
[03:07] <danko123456> sudo chown root g
[03:07] <Monkeylikesbanan> ok
[03:07] <danko123456> in yuor home folder...
[03:08] <Monkeylikesbanan> ok
[03:08] <Monkeylikesbanan> so cd to home
[03:08] <Monkeylikesbanan> then sudo chown root g
[03:08] <danko123456> yeah, cd with no params
[03:08] <danko123456> yup
[03:08] <Monkeylikesbanan> ok
[03:08] <glick> this blows
[03:08] <danko123456> I agree
[03:08] <danko123456> ercompile, add lo support
[03:08] <glick> im prolly gonna go back to debian, the software was a little older, but at least it worked
[03:09] <danko123456> glick: Im sory ubuntu is giving you headaches:(
[03:10] <jrochet> pardon me if I'm interrupting, would anybody here recommed ubuntu for a simple firewall/nat box
[03:10] <boow> nope because it installs a gui
[03:10] <Monkeylikesbanan> danko123456,, ermmmm cant get access to "g" because its on the floppy
[03:10] <danko123456> you can server install
[03:10] <Monkeylikesbanan> !
[03:11] <danko123456> ?:)
[03:11] <jrochet> i pretty much need gui
[03:11] <danko123456> ls /media/floppy
[03:11] <boow> ok
[03:11] <danko123456> jrochet: I would answer, but what with the rude interruption;)
[03:11] <jfclavette> Hah, found it
[03:11] <jrochet> i've been using fedora 3 with firestarter 1.0.3
[03:12] <boow> so i guess its not a headless server that youll be sshing into
[03:12] <jrochet> well, once it's configured, i remove keyboard, mouse, monitor etc
[03:12] <jrochet> but im too useless with linux commands and ssh-ing
[03:13] <danko123456> Monkeylikesbanan: file there?
[03:13] <Monkeylikesbanan> http://pastebin.com/291071
[03:13] <Monkeylikesbanan> yes
[03:14] <raz> Anyone ever get, while using Mplayer: "Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound." ?
[03:14] <danko123456> k, good, move them with sudo I guess...? does that work for you?
[03:14] <boow> do you have sound in other apps
[03:14] <ricardo> Hello
[03:14] <danko123456> Raz: change teh output plugin to esd.
[03:14] <danko123456> hey,
[03:15] <danko123456> sweet, the file is there.
[03:15] <danko123456> Monkeylikesbanan: move the files with sudo, through a terminal, is that hard for you??
[03:15] <ricardo> Can anyone give me a tip on ATI drivers?
[03:15] <ricardo> please?
[03:15] <danko123456> I can tell you how to make a 1-letter alias for sudo mv
[03:15] <Monkeylikesbanan> ok
[03:15] <danko123456> just g filename, password, and it is there...
[03:16] <danko123456> ok, sudo gedit /etc/bash.bashrc
[03:16] <ricardo> Performance is ridiculous
[03:16] <danko123456> ricardo, ubuntu forums, and ubuntulinux.org/wiki is my tip...
[03:16] <raz> danko123456, where do I change the 'output plugin' to 'esd' ?
[03:16] <Monkeylikesbanan> ok
[03:16] <danko123456> properties, preferences, otions.
[03:17] <danko123456> then, at teh end of the file, append alias g='sudo mv'
[03:17] <danko123456> and then save, and close teh file,.
[03:17] <danko123456> clsoe the terminal, open a new one.
[03:17] <Epix> Hello
[03:17] <danko123456> then, create a file again, and test it out... g filename
[03:17] <danko123456> oops.
[03:17] <ricardo> thanks
[03:17] <danko123456> umm...
[03:17] <danko123456> just a sec
[03:18] <raz> danko123456, can i PM you?
[03:18] <danko123456> yup
[03:18] <Epix> I bet this is asked a lot but, im wondering wehat kind of MP3 player to get that is win/linux compatable. Im looking for around 1-5 gigs and internal memory (no cards, no disks...). I dont care about video. Any suggestions?
[03:18] <danko123456> better to keep it in the channel, tho, cause more ppl, more knowledge.
[03:19] <danko123456> mp3 player device?
[03:19] <danko123456> use google:)
[03:19] <danko123456> Monkeylikesbanan: give me a few, oplease.
[03:19] <Epix> danko123456: yes. a device
[03:20] <Epix> something like an iPod. I know iPod and iPod mini will work
[03:20] <Epix> but what are my other options
[03:21] <jeff25> ubuntu is asking for apt mirror locations... where can I find these?
[03:21] <danko123456> epix, I dunno, google must know.
[03:21] <imaek> Does anybody know if A) Music Player/Rythem Box's iPod support works, and if so B) If I were to hook my iPod up to it would it delete all the music that I have off of it?
[03:21] <danko123456> jeff25: ubuntu came to you and asked you?
[03:21] <danko123456> gtkpod
[03:21] <jeff25> danko123456: well my country isn't listed
[03:22] <danko123456> what is it?
[03:22] <jeff25> danko123456: the list doesn't have USA
[03:22] <danko123456> us......
[03:22] <danko123456> us.archives.ubuntulinux.org I thiunk.
[03:22] <Epix> danko123456: you are not the only one in the channel. anyone else have a suggestion
[03:22] <danko123456> yes, off coursE:) no offence, epix:)
[03:22] <danko123456> just giving you a valid option...
[03:22] <raz> danko123456, you suggested to go to Preferences->Options to change mplayer's output plugin to 'esd'. Can't find 'Options' in the 'preferences' window.. hmm?
[03:23] <Epix> hmm, im gonna ask gentoo
[03:23] <jeff25> wow the install went great
[03:23] <jeff25> better then gentoo
[03:24] <jeff25> gentoo's install takes years
[03:24] <`psycho> NO SHIT
[03:24] <jeff25> the install even found my other OS (win2000) and put it in grub.conf
[03:24] <danko123456> wel, yeah:)
[03:24] <Epix> How 'good' is wine? what vcan it do for me
[03:25] <xiaogil> How to change the command "seq 001 003" so that it gives me 001, 002, 003, instead of 1,2,3 ?
[03:25] <jeff25> I'm 110% impressed so far
[03:25] <jeff25> I've been using gentoo for years
[03:25] <JanC> jeff25 : if you really want, you can also recompile everything in Debian or Ubuntu  :)
[03:25] <jasmuz> hello all
[03:25] <jeff25> JanC: really? cool! can individual package be compiled? I don't have a desire to compile "everything
[03:25] <JanC> of course then the "fast install advantage" will go away    ;)
[03:26] <shanon> jeff25: I just moved from gentoo as well and am also very impressed. Check out the http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ if you haven't already
[03:26] <hardcampa-> can you say what stuff should be included in what compiles then? As in Gentoo
[03:26] <danko123456> Epix: please dont get mad:) it is funny how you asked that...:) just cause you seem to think you came to a store, like what can this do for me:) pelase dont take this wrong, it was just funny to me, sorry:(
[03:27] <danko123456> wine is a windows emulator, even though its name states otherwise.
[03:28] <jeff25> shanon: thanks!
[03:28] <Epix> danko123456: ;) ok. i knew that much... Wine Is Not an Emulator. Pine Is Not Elm... But what can it run? Can i get winamp for example running on it?
[03:28] <jeff25> I just booted for the first time and now it's downloading a bunch of stuff (I did pxeboot install to my laptop)
[03:29] <danko123456> why, epix:(
[03:29] <danko123456> why would you run that?
[03:29] <imaek> I know that there is a command to re-read your fstab and then mount all of the new devices listed in there. Does anybody know what I'm talking about?
[03:29] <danko123456> I dont think it can, no, I never used that.
[03:29] <danko123456> tho,s o again, not tthe right person for the job...
[03:29] <danko123456> mount -a
[03:29] <danko123456> sudop
[03:29] <imaek> Thanks.
[03:29] <danko123456> welcome
[03:30] <danko123456> Im on a roll...
[03:30] <JanC> hardcampa- : only if you change build options in the package itself
[03:30] <Yoshimitsu> anyone got any ideas for Divx 5
[03:30] <hybrid_goth> mplayer
[03:30] <Yoshimitsu> i can seem to get it work
[03:30] <Epix> danko123456: it was an example. name me some programs it can run? could i run starcraft? :P
[03:30] <Yoshimitsu> mplayer doesnt work for me at all
[03:30] <hybrid_goth> Yoshimitsu: pornviewer
[03:30] <Yoshimitsu> im running Ubuntu PPC
[03:30] <jasmuz> Yoshimitsu, what does it fail at?
[03:30] <hybrid_goth> Yoshimitsu: me too
[03:31] <Yoshimitsu> well it starts
[03:31] <JanC> jeff25 & hardcampa- : http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html might be a start
[03:31] <hybrid_goth> Yoshimitsu: pornview is awesome
[03:31] <Yoshimitsu> but the picture is all scrambled only the sound comes through
[03:31] <jasmuz> Yoshimitsu,  if you cant run Mplayer i recommend Xine
[03:31] <Yoshimitsu> and thats using Gxine
[03:31] <Yoshimitsu> totem xine doesnt do it either
[03:31] <Yoshimitsu> and niether does VLC
[03:31] <jasmuz> Yoshimitsu, did you download the library's?
[03:31] <ccc> Epix: check for instance http://appdb.winehq.org/
[03:32] <Yoshimitsu> yes i did
[03:32] <danko123456> epix, google for a list of programs that run in cedega, someone once showed nme it.
[03:32] <Yoshimitsu> but incase i didnt
[03:32] <Yoshimitsu> what package is needed
[03:32] <ccc> Epix: i guess you can run just about anything, but linux already has the best musicplayer (amarok) so i wouldn't use winamp via wine :)
[03:33] <jasmuz> The codecs
[03:33] <Epix> so nobody here uses their MP3 player with linux?
[03:33] <Epix> ccc: total example... Plus muine kicks le ass
[03:33] <danko123456> I dont have one:(
[03:33] <imaek> I am trying to get my iPod working and /dev/sdc2 isn't avaliable for me.  A tutorial on the ubuntu forums told me to check /etc/mtab to see which device it was on.  How can I tell through /etc/mtab?
[03:33] <jeff25> if you want winamp style player just use xmms
[03:33] <danko123456> I think most of them work, if my opinion counts.
[03:33] <jeff25> JanC: cool article.  Doesn't look too hard
[03:33] <JanC> if you read the warnings  :)
[03:33] <jeff25> jasmuz: what codecs?
[03:33] <danko123456> imaek: how about sdc1, sda1, sda2 sdb2 and so on any numbers...
[03:33] <imaek> By the way, the tutorial is here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36632
[03:34] <hayden> i tried to mount hda2 as ntfs but it said wrong file system, is there a way to see the fs for each partition on a machine (not only linux or mounted partitions)?
[03:34] <danko123456> fdisk -l
[03:34] <danko123456> sudo
[03:34] <imaek> danko123456; ls: sd*: No such file or directory
[03:34] <danko123456> ls /dev/sd*
[03:34] <danko123456> :)
[03:35] <imaek> ls: /dev/sd*: No such file or directory
[03:35] <imaek> (I was in /dev/ before.)
[03:35] <Epix> imaek: ill get you a link
[03:35] <ccc> Epix: never tried muine... looks like rhythmbox from the screenshots
[03:35] <imaek> O..kay.
[03:35] <justin> muine is nothing like rhythmbox
[03:35] <Stalagna> I want to get a file from ftp and it has spaces in it, how do you treat spaces in linux
[03:36] <justin> Stalagna: clicking on the file doesn't work?
[03:36] <imaek> Stalagna: with \s.
[03:36] <imaek> So for example File name.ext = File\ name.ext
[03:36] <IIIEars__> danko123456 - How do you add Terminal for the "Open With." dialog box?
[03:36] <jasmuz> Stalagna, are you getting the file with wget?
[03:36] <ccc> justin ok
[03:36] <Stalagna> just get
[03:36] <Stalagna> whats the difference?
[03:36] <hayden> i tried to mount hda2 as ntfs but it said wrong file system, is there a way to see the fs for each partition on a machine (not only linux or mounted partitions)?
[03:36] <Epix> imaek: try this http://www.blinkenlights.ch/cgi-bin/fm.pl?get=ipod
[03:36] <jeff25> hayden: does your kernel have ntfs support?
[03:36] <Stalagna> only been on linux 10 hours
[03:37] <IIIEars__> Is the terminal "xterm"???
[03:37] <jasmuz> wget: web get
[03:37] <danko123456> IIIEars: like, in a context menu, or in what?
[03:37] <IIIEars__> Welcome Stalagna! :)
[03:37] <hayden> jeff25: yea, i have mounted hda1 as ntfs
[03:37] <jeff25> hayden: hrm
[03:37] <xiaogil> The command "seq -f %03g 1 5" doesn't work on ubuntu hoary, why ?
[03:37] <danko123456> Stalagna: it was "\ "
[03:37] <Epix> imaek: or maybe this: http://www.gtkpod.org/about.html
[03:37] <IIIEars__> yes in the contex menu for "Open With"
[03:37] <jeff25> hayden: did you check fdisk to make sure it's ntfs?
[03:37] <Stalagna> yeah that worked
[03:37] <Stalagna> forgot
[03:37] <danko123456> a backslash plus a space
[03:37] <hayden> jeff25: how
[03:37] <jasmuz> be back later ...
[03:38] <danko123456> IIIEars: I have to try,.
[03:38] <hayden> fdisk -> p?
[03:38] <justin> Stalagna: is there any particular reason you are using the crappy ftp program and not just using the integrated ftp client in nautilus, or at least lftp?
[03:38] <jeff25> hayden: yeah
[03:38] <danko123456> justin:)
[03:38] <hayden> ok thanks,
[03:38] <jeff25> Stalagna: install gftp
[03:39] <Stalagna> you have to give me instructions if you give me advice, first time user
[03:39] <danko123456> IIIEars: ok, you first open with... and then select gnome terminal, and after that, for that file type it has that as an option.
[03:39] <justin> Stalagna: how did you come to be using the ftp command then?
[03:39] <Stalagna> sudo apt-get install gtfp?
[03:40] <IIIEars__> Many Thanks Danko123456 :)
[03:40] <Stalagna> advice from another user on this chat
[03:40] <JanC> Stalagna : for installing software you can also use Synaptic
[03:40] <danko123456> it is there, Stalagna, in your apps>internet.
[03:40] <danko123456> welcome:)
[03:40] <hayden> do i need to install tools other than w32codecs to play DivX files in totem player?
[03:40] <JanC> danko123456 : gftp isn't installed by default
[03:41] <shadeofgrey> hey guys
[03:41] <danko123456> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats hayden
[03:41] <justin> hayden: you don't need to install w32codecs to play divx files in the first place
[03:41] <JanC> hayden : you don't need w32codecs to play divx files
[03:41] <danko123456> hey, shade.
[03:41] <shadeofgrey> how do i set gedit as my default program for editing txt php and html files?
[03:41] <danko123456> JanC: you sure of that?
[03:41] <JanC> hayden : ffmpeg plays divx
[03:41] <Stalagna> ok, so for file transfers, what do you suggest?
[03:41] <danko123456> then, hayden, you need a sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-*
[03:42] <shadeofgrey> i previously set it to use editpad, which is my favorite text editor but for some reason ubuntu wont copy anything from editpad into the system clipboard forsome reason
[03:42] <Flaischlego> hi
[03:42] <shadeofgrey> gftp is the best
[03:42] <nickrud> Stalagna, gftp is good, you can also do places->connect to server, and get a filemanager window
[03:42] <Epix> ok, so no MP3 player recomendations at all?
[03:42] <jeff25> network install is amzazing
[03:42] <JanC> danko123456 : ffmpeg is also used in ffdshow / MediaPlayerClassic on Windows...
[03:42] <Flaischlego> Does anyone know if "pppoeconf" should write a line into /etc/network/interfaces?
[03:43] <shadeofgrey> beep media player
[03:43] <danko123456> JanC: refering to gftp not being installed:)
[03:43] <shadeofgrey> guys i really need to know how to set default applications based on file extension
[03:43] <danko123456> Flaischlego: no, it should not.
[03:43] <Flaischlego> mmmh...
[03:43] <JanC> danko123456 : almost sure  :)
[03:43] <Yoshimitsu> anyone here running on PPC
[03:43] <danko123456> JanC: I am almost sure the other way:)
[03:44] <danko123456> Yoshimitsu: nalioth, xappe, others, me...
[03:44] <Flaischlego> strange... pppoeconf is just not working, dont know why
[03:44] <danko123456> Flaischlego: one NIC? if so, just sudo pppoeconf
[03:44] <danko123456> then, follow the prompts.
[03:44] <Yoshimitsu> danko123456 have you managed to get Mplayer running
[03:44] <danko123456> all are enter, really,.
[03:44] <danko123456> Yoshimitsu: nalioth has.
[03:44] <IIIEars__> lol - Ubuntu is amazing. IRC #ubuntu, Streamtuner '80s channel +XMMS,  Mel Gibson "The Year of  Living Dangerously" and just for the heck of it Quake2 started in a window. - 1.5g machine 360megs ram.
[03:44] <danko123456> ask him when he is here.
[03:44] <Flaischlego> danko123456: not working, tried ... some times now ;)
[03:45] <danko123456> Flaischlego: except for the one with the user names.
[03:45] <jeff25> what is a backport?
[03:45] <danko123456> Flaischlego: Id help you have a girl coming over.
[03:45] <danko123456> do you havfe 1 NIC?
[03:45] <justin> IIIEars__: you have low expections from computers eh? :-)
[03:45] <danko123456> eh, justin?
[03:45] <Yoshimitsu> danko123456 i managed a while back when i went to haory unstable from warty but it now it doesnt seem to want to work no matter what i do ive tried Mplayer-powerpc and Mplayer-g4
[03:45] <JanC> danko123456 : ubuntu-desktop has no dependency on gftp...  :)
[03:45] <danko123456> well see.
[03:45] <IIIEars__> Used to having a dozen "life support" apps for M$ windows hogging resources
[03:46] <danko123456> at some point
[03:46] <Yoshimitsu> i cant think of any other way to get Divx 5 to play
[03:46] <danko123456> k, Im out. I know you are all happy.
[03:46] <danko123456> :)
[03:47] <ck> jeff25, which net install?
[03:48] <ccc> muine (just tried it now) didn't have much to offer compared to amarok
[03:48] <Flaischlego> danko123456: i just have one user ;)
[03:48] <Epix> crap!
[03:49] <Epix> running iPod on linux needs firewire!!!?
[03:50] <glick> well i got the gnome problem solved
[03:51] <imaek> How can I tell if my kernel supports FireWire?
[03:52] <cwillu> Help :(
[03:53] <danko123456> epix, I would not imagine so...
[03:53] <danko123456> glick, YAY.
[03:53] <novaflare> what are some decent irc clients for linux?
[03:53] <cwillu> I ran an update, and now my screens all screwy, size-wise
[03:53] <novaflare> gui with multi server support
[03:53] <xiaogil> How to use a command line like sed or tr to make a simple replacement in a file like : "sed myfile.txt s/'abc'/'def'", i can't find the exact syntax...
[03:53] <LinuxJones> imaek, are you running the stock Ubuntu kernel ?
[03:53] <BoD_SWAT> Can someone tell me how to uninstall a self-build vsftpd? (I get "make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'.  Stop." )
[03:53] <danko123456> Fleischlego: well, how about the NIC...one network card?
[03:53] <imaek> Yes LinuxJones
[03:53] <novaflare> xchat is pissing me off crashes if i breath wrong
[03:53] <nalioth> novaflare: xchat
[03:53] <Fleischlego> two danko123456
[03:53] <LinuxJones> imaek, support is build in for forewire
[03:53] <danko123456> ok, that may be why, which ones?
[03:54] <LinuxJones> err firewire
[03:54] <danko123456> like, both wired?
[03:54] <Fleischlego> yes
[03:54] <glick> hehe now i have to figure out 1.) why it stopped working to begin with and secondly, why i have to start my network manually instead of it doing automaticaly during the boot sequence
[03:54] <danko123456> ok, other interfaces your network?
[03:54] <Fleischlego> dsl-modem on eth0, eth1 just for local network
[03:54] <cwillu> Can somebody help me get my screen back to something more usable?
[03:54] <danko123456> yes, you may find out how to start it auto...
[03:54] <_paxmaster> hello i allready made a partition for window but i didn't install it
[03:54] <danko123456> ok, about eth1...:) did yuo put in a gateway entry:)
[03:55] <danko123456> comment that out, and it will work:)
[03:55] <Fleischlego> didnt.... ;)
[03:55] <_paxmaster> and right now i am going to install it
[03:55] <bigfoot> Shuddertrix, Hi
[03:55] <BoD_SWAT> cwillu, can you give a more precise problem description?
[03:55] <IIIEars__> cwillu - Did you CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE >> login >> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg    ?
[03:55] <cwillu> Not really
[03:55] <jeff25> danko123456: how do you go about adding another WM?
[03:55] <cwillu> I ran an update a couple days ago
[03:56] <cwillu> looks like I'm stuck on 640x480
[03:56] <danko123456> through apt-get/aptitude/synaptic.
[03:56] <cwillu> I was running at 1024x768 before
[03:56] <jeff25> okay
[03:56] <danko123456> cwillu: then you are in luck, they know how to fix it.
[03:56] <nalioth> jeff25: you use apt-get to install all the parts of it you like
[03:56] <cwillu> guess I could give a better description :p
[03:56] <cwillu> never knew of such a command... one sec
[03:56] <IIIEars__> cwillu - nah - even the wimpiest cards do 1024x768
[03:56] <jeff25> nalioth: how do you know what is available in apt-get?
[03:56] <BoD_SWAT> cwillu, sounds like a xserver config problem. Use the tip from IIIEars
[03:56] <cwillu> okay
[03:56] <danko123456> nalioth: Yoshimitsu was wondering on getting mplayer to work on a ppc...are you here Yoshimitsu?
[03:57] <imaek> LinuxJones: can you help me get my iPod set up? I'm using a tutorial that is telling me to use /dev/sdc2, but that doesn't exist.
[03:57] <jeff25> nalioth: is there a list of packages from apt-get somewhere?
[03:57] <IIIEars__> cwillu - likely culprit is the framebuffer option try that first
[03:57] <ck> jeff25, which net install?
[03:57] <cwillu> what do you think could have caused it?   Notably, I'ev just been installing the updates as they show up, haven't been using anything other than web browsing
[03:57] <danko123456> imaek, seriously nothing exists in /dev/sd*?
[03:57] <ck> jeff25, packages.ubuntu.com
[03:57] <imaek> Yes danko123456.
[03:57] <jeff25> ck: ubuntu
[03:57] <Fleischlego> danko123456: so, i got now the following on my /etc/network/interfaces: auto lo    iface lo inet loopback,  ifaceeth1 inet static: network 192.168.1.0 adress 1.1 broadcast 1.255 netmask 255.255.255.0
[03:57] <danko123456> hm mine comes back with the right thing...
[03:58] <LinuxJones> cwillu, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto/
[03:58] <IIIEars__> cwillu - you might try this CTRL+ALT+NUMPAD_+ (sign)
[03:58] <danko123456> Fleischlego: use pastebin.com I cant read that ehere:)
[03:58] <Fleischlego> danko123456: ah, good idead *G*
[03:58] <danko123456> you sure you did ls /dev/sd*
[03:59] <jeff25> ck got collided heh
[03:59] <imaek> Yes, danko123456.
[03:59] <IIIEars__> num pad plus sign will let you cycle resolutions
[03:59] <danko123456> imaek: hm...connected?
[03:59] <imaek> And I've done cd /dev | ls sd*
[03:59] <imaek> Yes danko123456.
[03:59] <bigfoot> hello everyone. i'm new to the linux/ubuntu world. May i ask a question regarding a specific program?
[03:59] <danko123456> no.
[03:59] <danko123456> :-p
[03:59] <danko123456> DENIED!!!...
[03:59] <LinuxJones> imaek, I don't have an ipod but >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IPodHowto ... read the part about running dmesg
[03:59] <imaek> Yes, bigfoot.
[03:59] <IIIEars__> No need to ask to ask, Jump right in we don't bite.
[04:00] <danko123456> well, I wont answer it...
[04:00] <bigfoot> it's about a linux program called gmailfs, to use my gmail account as a file storage.
[04:00] <danko123456> lol
[04:00] <danko123456> ooh..sweet program...
[04:00] <bigfoot> but i don't know what to do.
[04:00] <Fleischlego> danko123456: pasted
[04:01] <Fleischlego> http://pastebin.com/291083
 gmailfs - sounds interesting. 2gigs of online storage would be cool.
[04:01] <bigfoot> ... coming from the Windows double click to install world, i request your expertise.
[04:01] <danko123456> we are here to assist you, bigfoot.
[04:01] <cwillu> Wonderful!  I can see the bottom of the X-Chat server list (including Connect buttoN) again!
[04:01] <Epix> nobody new here to recomend an mp3 player (the handheld kind :P)
[04:02] <danko123456> cwillu: excellent, to borrow words from my good friend;)
[04:02] <bigfoot> i'd be willing to give a gmail invite as the very least of my thanks to those who can help me with gmailfs.
[04:02] <IIIEars__> cwillu - we'll get you out of this mess.
[04:02] <Fleischlego> cwillu: huh? there's a connect button?
[04:02] <cwillu> :p
[04:02] <cwillu> X-Chat... only way I could even get here was to edit the ubuntu servers, set it to autoconnect, then restart x-chat :)
[04:02] <danko123456> so, whats your question, then, bigfoot?
[04:03] <IIIEars__> check out the quick resolution change - ctrl+alt+numpadplussign
[04:03] <cwillu> I could get into the Screen Resolution thingy in system, there was only one option: 640x480
[04:03] <Fleischlego> danko123456: is the file ok?
[04:03] <cwillu> the reconfigure thingy seems to have fixed it (albeit requiring the use of the enter key many many times)
[04:04] <IIIEars__> That is really annoying.
[04:04] <danko123456> sorry, Fleischlego got distracted
[04:04] <nalioth> IIIEars__: yes, gmail as online storage is quite the thing among 733t h@x0rz
[04:04] <imaek> I don't have the 'dmesg' command.
[04:04] <imaek> :\
[04:04] <IIIEars__> still better a safe mode than a dark screen
[04:04] <danko123456> why even teh broadcast and other parts, is there a reason, Fleischlego?
[04:04] <cwillu> its a file isn't it?
[04:04] <Fleischlego> danko123456: nevermind - just tell me if you got time
[04:04] <cwillu> cat dmesg?
[04:05] <Fleischlego> danko123456: mmmh, maybe desperation... or something like that...
[04:05] <imaek> Oh, now I do.
[04:05] <imaek> :p
[04:05] <IIIEars__> nalioth - my name annd 7337 h@xors ALWAYS amkes me laugh out loud.
[04:05] <savan> anyone know why my dvd drive is not seen at install time?
[04:05] <cwillu> cat /var/log/dmesg
[04:05] <danko123456> ok, so, Fleischlegowould you like just a working internal network, and a internet interface?
[04:05] <cwillu> I think
[04:06] <danko123456> ooh, remove one of those, the eth0 first of all.
[04:06] <Fleischlego> right
[04:06] <IIIEars__> i can hardly type in an order on amazon.com
[04:06] <danko123456> the whole thing.
[04:06] <imaek> :(
[04:06] <imaek> Erm
[04:06] <LinuxJones> savan, put a dvd/cdrom in your drive it should auto-mount
[04:06] <danko123456> remove the eth0 completely.
[04:06] <imaek> When I dmesg I get like 8,000 lines.  How do I know what I'm looking for?
[04:06] <danko123456> in the eth0 leave only the address, and the mask/
[04:06] <bigfoot> what folder are xchat chat logs defaultly stored at?
[04:06] <danko123456> Ill give you mine,.
[04:06] <cwillu> dmesg|grep "something"?
[04:07] <LinuxJones> bigfoot, in your .xchat dire in your home dir
[04:07] <danko123456> http://pastebin.com/291087
[04:07] <savan> hmm, during an attempted install it boots off of it, then when it goes to check the install media it complains of not fiding a cd
[04:07] <IIIEars__> My neigbhor has recieved two books from amazon and doesn't have a computer. - lol
[04:07] <danko123456> bigfoot: what was the question about the gmailfs program, how to install?
[04:07] <Fleischlego> danko123456: this is for local network right?
[04:07] <LinuxJones> savan, you have a sata hard drive and an ide dvd ?
[04:07] <imaek> erm danko123456, that's your dmesg?
[04:07] <savan> yes
[04:08] <imaek> Should I paste mine?
[04:08] <bigfoot> i'm just going to review what i've already done (the commands i've entered into terminal) and i'll report back immediately.
[04:08] <danko123456> imaek: that is somehtnig else.
[04:08] <imaek> Oh
[04:08] <imaek> Sorry. :P
[04:08] <LinuxJones> savan, search google there is an easy fix for that although it should be included in the default install routine
[04:08] <danko123456> imaek: dmesg|grep (string you are looking for)
[04:08] <danko123456> I think
[04:08] <Fleischlego> danko123456: ok, thank you, ill try this, brb in a minute
[04:08] <imaek> The thing is
[04:09] <imaek> I don't know what I'm looking for
[04:09] <danko123456> k, dont reboot, please.
[04:09] <danko123456> Fleischlego: please dont reboot.
[04:09] <imaek> It says to look for my iPod/Firewire in there.
[04:09] <Fleischlego> danko123456: lol no
[04:09] <savan> ok, I did try playing with the sata settings in the BIOS as well as re-arranging the SATA drive order but to no avail
[04:09] <Fleischlego> danko123456: this is just a different pc - have to do some plugging stuff
[04:09] <Fleischlego> and it will kill this i-net connection
[04:10] <danko123456> imaek: well, anything saying ipod is a good start,...paste it into gedit, and use find.
[04:10] <imaek> I did
[04:10] <danko123456> ah...good idea:)
[04:11] <imaek> :)
[04:11] <imaek> The closest thing I got
[04:11] <imaek> was apparently there's something named FIREBALL
[04:11] <imaek> (Something having to do with my hda)
[04:12] <Yoshimitsu> sigh
[04:12] <justin> imaek: it would be called ieee1394 if anything, not firewire
[04:12] <dabaSlon_mhm> Yoshimitsu: did you ask nalioth about mplayer, he was here...
[04:12] <Crane> hello
[04:12] <dabaSlon_mhm> hey, crane
[04:12] <imaek> I have that
[04:12] <justin> firewire is the trademark from apple
[04:12] <dabaSlon_mhm> justin, good call.
[04:12] <Yoshimitsu> no dabaSlon_mhm  i didnt
[04:12] <dabaSlon_mhm> Yoshimitsu: ask.
[04:12] <imaek> justin - I got like 15 lines.
[04:13] <Yoshimitsu> dabaSlon_mhm i just tried this and it didnt work http://powerpc.ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[04:13] <imaek> ieee1394: Initialized config rom entry `ip1394'
[04:13] <justin> imaek: run dmesg | less and read the whole thing, especially the parts around those lines
[04:13] <dabaSlon_mhm> what was the errors you got, Yoshimitsu, paste it to pastebin.com, please.
[04:14] <green> can someone help me install video drivers
[04:14] <dabaSlon_mhm> justin, he can |grep '1394'
[04:14] <jeff25> how do I install dri for xorg
[04:14] <dabaSlon_mhm> green: did you read the wiki on that topic?
[04:14] <green> no
[04:14] <green> link pls
[04:14] <dabaSlon_mhm> ok, well Ill give you a link for a start.
[04:15] <dabaSlon_mhm> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:15] <green> thanks
[04:15] <Yoshimitsu> ok dabaSlon_mhm its there
[04:15] <dabaSlon_mhm> k, welcome, b nice to tech support, for me:)
[04:15] <dabaSlon_mhm> haha, I suck...
[04:15] <Yoshimitsu> dabaSlon_mhm here is another one
[04:15] <dabaSlon_mhm> anyhow...yoshimitsu, pleas give me the urkl...
[04:15] <imaek> dabaSlon_mhm / justin : I got http://pastebin.com/291090
[04:16] <imaek> that is from dmesg | grep 1394
[04:16] <dabaSlon_mhm> nice, that worked!
[04:16] <dabaSlon_mhm> I never used grep:)
[04:16] <hitchhiker|fake> Hi all, I am back again.
[04:16] <imaek> and there is a /dev/raw1394
[04:16] <Fleischlego> danko left? ;)
[04:16] <Determinist> night guys , enjoy your weekends.
[04:17] <hitchhiker|fake> What 1394?
[04:17] <Yoshimitsu> dabaSlon_mhm heres the URL http://pastebin.com/291091
[04:17] <Yoshimitsu> dabaSlon_mhm heres the second http://pastebin.com/291089
[04:17] <bigfoot> So here's the list of steps i've done in my attempt to get gmailfs up and running: 1. got gmailfs from synaptic (synaptic also included gmailfs's depencies). 2. 'sudo gedit /etc/fstab' 3. at the bottom of that file, i added "/usr/share/gmailfs/gmailfs.py /mnt/gmailfs gmailfs noauto,username=whatever,password=whatever,fsname=whatever" 3. "sudo mkdir /mnt/gmailfs && sudo mount /mnt/gmailfs'. The response i got back from terminal was " old style moun
[04:17] <bigfoot> ting not supported".   Some things to note: In my computer:/// directory, i now see "gmailfs" but when i doubleclick it, i get a "Mount Error" window that says, "Unable to mount the selected volume.  mount: only root can mount /usr/share/gmailfs/gmailfs.py on /mnt/gmailfs"
[04:17] <dabaSlon_mhm> imaek: is your ipod connected thorugh firewire? I mean, did you install gtkpod yet, btw?
[04:18] <imaek> Yes, I did.
[04:18] <imaek> And yes, it is.
[04:19] <imaek> 6.
[04:19] <dabaSlon_mhm> haha, he was asking for me:)
[04:20] <stuNNed> crimsun: ping
[04:21] <hitchhiker|fake> pong?
[04:21] <dabaSlon_mhm> bigfoot: working on it.
[04:21] <green> table tennis
[04:21] <IIIEARS-ggl> bigfoot - the maintainers site says there was an update is the file in synaptic the latest update?
[04:22] <dabaSlon_mhm> bigfoot: what do I replace the fsname=whatever with??
[04:22] <ccc> bigfoot: hmm, do a "sudo mount -a" to remount from fstab, if you didn't already...?
[04:22] <bigfoot> IIIEARS-ggl, what do you mean? I'm not sure whether you are asking me a question or telling me information.
[04:22] <hitchhiker|fake> ping/pong/pung
[04:22] <dabaSlon_mhm> sudo update-grub, to
[04:22] <dabaSlon_mhm> too
[04:23] <dabaSlon_mhm> so, what do I put as fsname?
[04:23] <dabaSlon_mhm> whats an fsname?
[04:23] <IIIEARS-ggl> Honestly i don't know. - has the gmail interface changed again since updated gmail lib.
[04:23] <predius> Guys, which precompiled kernel is compiled with e2compr?
[04:24] <novaflare> i sware im seeing less and less reason to keep my windows boot around heh
[04:24] <bigfoot> dabaSlon_mhm, "fsname=whatever" : the files get emailed in your gmail, you can set up a gmail filter to filter that fsname to a different gmail folder.
[04:24] <novaflare> i just installed mirc
[04:24] <novaflare> and it runs perfectly
[04:24] <Amaranth> o_O
[04:24] <Amaranth> and it's ugly as sin
[04:24] <dabaSlon_mhm> what can I put in, just as a not to use that?
[04:24] <Amaranth> oh, and insecure
[04:24] <Shuddertrix> bigfoot: you must have copied word for word what I typed into a file. bravo.
[04:25] <predius> You can get a GTK Theme.
[04:25] <novaflare> true
[04:25] <novaflare> i did it just to see how it would do
[04:25] <predius> It has transparency, too.
[04:25] <novaflare> hell i got rubies of eventide running a full screen 3d mmorpg that uses a ton of dx heh
[04:25] <dabaSlon_mhm> Shuddertrix: what can I put as fsname?
[04:26] <bigfoot> Shuddertrix, I'm afraid you are mistaken. I made that mistake on a previous time, but not now. 8-)      I put in my own gmail username and gmail password.
[04:26] <IIIEars__> Amaranth - how secure is gmail fs?
[04:26] <novaflare> now im just trying to de glitch it once thats done and i get ryzom to install and run wont be any rason for windows to remain heh
[04:26] <Amaranth> IIIEars:  I don't know what you mean
[04:26] <dabaSlon_mhm> there is no erason for windows to remain now...except widespread use of computers:-p
[04:26] <novaflare> dont use gmail for email that has to remain with out a doubt secure
[04:27] <novaflare> gmail is beta and it does have bugs and flaws
[04:27] <Amaranth> IIIEars: I'd suppose it's as secure as gmail until they delete your account for using it as a fs.
[04:27] <Shuddertrix> bigfoot: re-read what I typed. Infact, say it out loud, too..
[04:27] <novaflare> some that are very bad ones
[04:27] <IIIEars__> okay - never mind - bigfoot is using gmail fs 2g of free storage sounds interesting. - just wondered
[04:27] <dabaSlon_mhm> ok, can you guys give me an example of what to put into the fsname?
[04:27] <predius> gmail should work on PGP signing and encryption
[04:27] <dabaSlon_mhm> instead of arguing:)
[04:27] <novaflare> for general emails use it
[04:27] <IIIEars__> ouch - i would lose a year of mail
[04:27] <justin> predius: that would be counter productive to their goals
[04:27] <dabaSlon_mhm> I hate when they have buggy periods, I always wait for 5 days for my email...
[04:28] <Shuddertrix> dabaSlon_mhm: GMAILFS, omgwtflol, itsafilesystem, omgwtf, cheese, placewordshere
[04:28] <bigfoot> dabaSlon_mhm, for my fstab file, i put in "jeffgmail"
[04:28] <dabaSlon_mhm> anything?
[04:28] <Yoshimitsu> dabaSlon_mhm did you have a look at that post of mine
[04:28] <novaflare> i use gmail for all my email news letter user groups etc
[04:28] <Shuddertrix> anything your heart desires.
[04:28] <dabaSlon_mhm> Yoshimitsu: yeah, kinda...
[04:28] <Yoshimitsu> ok
[04:28] <dabaSlon_mhm> paste your sources.list, please.
[04:28] <novaflare> but i dont use it for account sign ups if i plan on keeping the pass word i signed up with
[04:28] <Amaranth> IIIEars: Uploads are just emails to the account (sent in 2.5MB chunk, iirc) and downloads are screenscapes for URLs to those chunks.
[04:28] <Yoshimitsu> mine
[04:28] <bigfoot> Shuddertrix, I'd be happy to re-read, but which of your messages shall i re-read?
[04:28] <dabaSlon_mhm> thanks, guys...
[04:28] <IIIEars__> (sigh) it might be easier to buy a domain and storage.
[04:28] <dabaSlon_mhm> Yoshimitsu: yes.
[04:29] <Shuddertrix> bigfoot: < Shuddertrix> bigfoot: you must have copied word for word of what I typed into a file. bravo.
[04:29] <dabaSlon_mhm> it works, bigfoot, exactly as you said:)
[04:30] <TechOzone> hello
[04:30] <hitchhiker|fake> hello
[04:30] <TechOzone> hi is anyone here an admin?
[04:30] <Yoshimitsu> here ya go dabaSlon_mhm http://pastebin.com/291094
[04:30] <TechOzone> i need help with shipit
[04:30] <bigfoot> dabaSlon_mhm, it works for you? No "mount error" or "mounting problem"?
[04:30] <dabaSlon_mhm> lol, Shuddertrix, you are not friendly:)
[04:30] <dabaSlon_mhm> nope.
[04:30] <TechOzone> any admins here?
[04:30] <dabaSlon_mhm> do you mount -a before the mount?
[04:30] <TechOzone> or managers?
[04:30] <dabaSlon_mhm> I am a manager, wat can I assist you with?
[04:30] <TechOzone> hi
[04:30] <dabaSlon_mhm> bahaha.
[04:31] <dabaSlon_mhm> sorry, dude:)
[04:31] <TechOzone> i sent u an email at info@shipit
[04:31] <TechOzone> regarding my ubuntu cd's were stolen in the mail
[04:31] <bigfoot> dabaSlon_mhm, actually i'm very grateful for the help that Shuddertrix gave me 12 hours ago. It was he, who assisted me in the first 3 steps i wrote of above. 8-)
[04:31] <dabaSlon_mhm> what, shippit takes like 4-6 weeks, that is what I know about it.
[04:31] <Rev_Fry> Have they even started showing up yet?
[04:31] <Rev_Fry> I haven't gotten any
[04:31] <dabaSlon_mhm> did I really send that message:) sorry, Shuddertrix:)
[04:31] <TechOzone> yes, i got the package
[04:31] <TechOzone> buy no cd's
[04:31] <nalioth> Yoshimitsu: please ask in here, i don't care for PMs
[04:31] <TechOzone> *but no cd's
[04:32] <nuopus> Does anyone know how to remove kubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-desktop recursively?
[04:32] <dabaSlon_mhm> TechOzone: how many were there supposed to be?
[04:32] <nalioth> nuopus: industrial strength magnet?
[04:32] <Yoshimitsu> nalioth hence the apology
[04:32] <TechOzone> um, there were supposed to be 30
[04:32] <dabaSlon_mhm> 800, y chance>?
[04:32] <dabaSlon_mhm> ah, then that is not it..
[04:32] <nuopus> My wife liked kubuntu on her computer and I want to get rid of all gnome stuff
[04:32] <TechOzone> 30 cd's
[04:32] <dabaSlon_mhm> one guy got 800 instead of 15...
[04:32] <nalioth> Yoshimitsu: i had to build my mplayer (and some of its codecs) from source
[04:32] <Yoshimitsu> i have a problem setting up Mplayer even though i have rtfm
[04:32] <TechOzone> i really need the cd's immediately!
[04:33] <Shuddertrix> whoa, that guy probably got my cd's then?
[04:33] <nalioth> Yoshimitsu: try apt-get source -b <whatever mplayer pkg you desire>
[04:33] <dabaSlon_mhm> TechOzone: I was jj I was a manager, you know that, right?
[04:33] <Yoshimitsu> ok i tried that aswell and still no luck i got a whole heap of errors
[04:33] <raz> Would anyone know what this error means?:
[04:33] <raz> Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied
[04:33] <raz> Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts.
[04:33] <raz> Playing kitaro.mp3.
[04:33] <bigfoot> well, i'm not sure how to proceed now... with the "mounting error". i have followed ccc's advice to  "sudo mount -a" and it still doesn't work.
[04:33] <nuopus> TechOzone: I can overnight them to you if you ask me
[04:33] <Yoshimitsu> ty nalioth ill try that
[04:33] <Rev_Fry> Those that got the CDs... where are you at?.. regionally
[04:33] <IIIEars__> dabaslon - 800? - he can make a lot of friends or coasters one of the two
[04:33] <TechOzone> Canada
[04:33] <bigfoot> Rev_Fry, I got the Cds. and i'm in Japan
[04:33] <nalioth> Yoshimitsu: i am in and out of here, did you send your system specs?
[04:34] <Yoshimitsu> no i did not
[04:34] <TechOzone> who is a REAL manager here?
[04:34] <jubuntu> I was wondering if it is possible to join my ubuntu to Windows AD
[04:34] <CarlK_> raz - you don;t need to worry about RTC unless the audio starts to get out of sync (i think)
[04:34] <Yoshimitsu> nalioth Apple G4 Powerbook 15 aluminium
[04:34] <dabaSlon_mhm> noone really, ask daniels, crimsun, bob2, or just wait for teh reply to that email.
[04:34] <nalioth> Yoshimitsu: bingo!
[04:34] <raz> CarlK_, no audio at all, heh, freaking gay mplayer.
[04:34] <Yoshimitsu> :)
[04:34] <ccc> bigfoot: mustn't there be dump and pass entries in fstab too?
[04:34] <Rev_Fry> Hrmm In the states
[04:34] <TechOzone> WHO IS A MANAGER OR ADMIN?
[04:34] <Rev_Fry> Oh well
[04:34] <nalioth> Yoshimitsu: yes, you will have to install using the method i sent above (did someone point me out to you?)
[04:35] <nuopus> TechOzone: I am an admin
[04:35] <Rev_Fry> Tech... you can just order more right?
[04:35] <Yoshimitsu> yes nalioth
[04:35] <dabaSlon_mhm> yes, I did, nalioth.
[04:35] <CarlK_> raz, well, that isnt a rtc prob
[04:35] <Yoshimitsu> dabaSlon_mhm suggested i ask you
[04:35] <raz> CarlK_, aighty.
[04:35] <bob2> TechOzone: stop it
[04:35] <dabaSlon_mhm> haha, you got one:)
[04:35] <bob2> TechOzone: if you have a question, ask
[04:35] <bigfoot>  i'm sorry but i don't know, ccc. should there be dump and pass entries in fstab?
[04:35] <nuopus> TechOzone: But not an Ubuntu admin
[04:35] <dabaSlon_mhm> he did, about the cds shippit
[04:35] <TechOzone> i will talk in private chat
[04:35] <TechOzone> grr, who is a ubuntu admin?
[04:36] <bob2> TechOzone: if you have questions about shipit, please read the FAQ
[04:36] <nuopus> LOL
[04:36] <dabaSlon_mhm> not wit bob2, I think...
[04:36] <nalioth> TechOzone: there are none here
[04:36] <bob2> TechOzone: if they don't answer it, email mako
[04:36] <TechOzone> @bob2, i did
[04:36] <dabaSlon_mhm> TechOzone: I would like to explain this channel...
[04:36] <TechOzone> @mako?
[04:36] <ubotu> I don't know, TechOzone
[04:36] <nuopus> TechOzone: I havent gotten mine either dude .... and I ordered before it was released
[04:36] <IIIEars__> still amazed by a free and complete operating system to download. having it sent to your door at no cost is astounding.
[04:36] <TechOzone> yes, i GOT the package, but no CD'S were in it, it was ripped open like someone stole them
[04:36] <nuopus> IIIEars___: What do you think of it though?
[04:36] <nalioth> Yoshimitsu: i like keeping chats in chan, cuz lurkers can learn, too
[04:37] <dabaSlon_mhm> TechOzone: this is a volunteer support/chat chat about ubuntu related topics, and ppl not ebing able to do something with their ubuntu...no managers...
[04:37] <jubuntu> is it possible to share ubuntu files with window?
[04:37] <IIIEars__> Bill Gates is going to work a bit harder to sell his OS.
[04:37] <TechOzone> whats mako's email?
[04:37] <Yoshimitsu> indeed
[04:37] <nuopus> IIIEars___: So you like it?
[04:37] <dabaSlon_mhm> there are ppl related to canonical, the ubuntu company...and bob2 is one.
[04:37] <bob2> TechOzone: then please email info@shipit.ubuntu.com
[04:37] <jeff25> god this is so nice.  Took 1 minute to install gcc where on gentoo it takes 4 hours
[04:37] <nalioth> Yoshimitsu: and running a PPC, you should become familiar with using apt to build from source
[04:37] <TechOzone> i did, i got no response
[04:37] <IIIEars__> Honestly? - I fear for canonical's survival.
[04:37] <bob2> TechOzone: when did you email?
[04:37] <Yoshimitsu> yeah so ive heard @ nalioth
[04:37] <TechOzone> um, a week ago
[04:37] <nuopus> IIIEars___: So you dont like it?
[04:37] <nalioth> Yoshimitsu: cuz us and (a little less so) the AMD64 folks are red-headed-stepchildren
[04:38] <IIIEars__> You have to make money to support developers
[04:38] <bob2> TechOzone: then email again, and I'll poke mako to make sure he replies
[04:38] <nuopus> IIIEars___: Linux has been around for years .. Open Source
[04:38] <bigfoot> i'm sorry to bother you all, but can anyone shed some light into my problem with gmailfs? apparently, it's not mounting.
[04:38] <Yoshimitsu> lol ok thats a strange way of putting it
[04:38] <bob2> TechOzone: what address will it be from?
[04:38] <nuopus> IIIEars___: People do development for free in most cases
[04:38] <TechOzone> jonathanyaniv@gmail.com
[04:38] <nalioth> Yoshimitsu: the dev on PPC and amd64 lags behind x86
[04:38] <nuopus> IIIEars___: it is a different mentality with Microsoft people
[04:38] <herpes> TechOzone, spam time
[04:38] <Yoshimitsu> but because i have a g4 processor i should then go for mplayer-g4 should i not
[04:38] <TechOzone> no
[04:38] <IIIEars__> still.. i would rather see more bandwidth and larger bounties.
[04:38] <dabaSlon_mhm> woohoo, another addres on my spam list...
[04:38] <TechOzone> no spamming
[04:38] <nalioth> Yoshimitsu: yes, by all means
[04:39] <bob2> mako:  jonathanyaniv@gmail.com is going to email you about some lost cds
[04:39] <dabaSlon_mhm> were just reasing you...
[04:39] <TechOzone> lol
[04:39] <bob2> mako: fon't forget him/her ;p
[04:39] <nalioth> Yoshimitsu: my G4 is waiting for the APX drivers to be "found"
[04:39] <Yoshimitsu> oh ok
[04:39] <TechOzone> um, i run a HUGE website devoted to technology, if any of you are interested in joining, please visit www.techozone.net
[04:39] <ccc> bigfoot: yes, the two last entries on every line. (column 5 & 6) look at the other entries in your fstab
[04:39] <bob2> TechOzone: and please chill out in future, getting upset doesn't help anyone
[04:39] <TechOzone> okay
[04:39] <Yoshimitsu> i managed to install mplayer on here a while back while haory was still very unstable
[04:39] <dabaSlon_mhm> we'll make sure to spam you, thanks, ozone:
[04:39] <TechOzone> read my previous post about my website, www.techozone.net
[04:39] <dabaSlon_mhm> :)
[04:39] <herpes> TechOzone, and you like spam?
[04:39] <TechOzone> lol
[04:39] <TechOzone> NO SPAMMING
[04:39] <Yoshimitsu> however the method o used then does not work now
[04:40] <TechOzone> you dont even want to know what i do with spammers @ TechOzone
[04:40] <TechOzone> i report them to their ISP
[04:40] <TechOzone> and get them kicked from their ISP
[04:40] <bob2> anyway, your website is off-topic
[04:40] <nalioth> Yoshimitsu: you can either build it yourself (which sometimes doenst work) or use the apt builder
[04:40] <TechOzone> ive done it already
[04:40] <TechOzone> lol
[04:40] <bob2> and it only seems to have 2 stories
[04:40] <TechOzone> no no no
[04:40] <TechOzone> u mean the news?
[04:40] <nuopus> TechOzone: You cant get people kicked for 10 emails
[04:40] <TechOzone> look in the forums?
[04:40] <dabaSlon_mhm> bob2: your directness, and disregard for ppls feelings always amazes me:)
[04:40] <TechOzone> http://site.techozone.net/fusion_forum/
[04:40] <ech0> hey, how come whenever try to open a file in vlc i get no sound output... console shows error: "oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)"
[04:41] <nalioth> bob2 is the MAN
[04:41] <Yoshimitsu> nalioth im getting the source through apt now
[04:41] <dabaSlon_mhm> ech0: try changing the output plugin to esd
[04:41] <ech0> in vlc?
[04:41] <bigfoot> ccc, pardon my ignorance, I'm looking at my fstab right now and still need to ask you: what do you mean by "column 5 and 6"?
[04:41] <bob2> dabaSlon_mhm: my tolerance for people pushing silly commercial websites is very low
[04:41] <dabaSlon_mhm> bob2: haha, another one of those I am talking about,...
[04:41] <dabaSlon_mhm> maybe this guy erally puts a lot of work, into a really nuce website...
[04:41] <yonil> AAhhh ! I'm trying to install a package and it doesnt work cause of "broken packages" =S
[04:42] <Yoshimitsu> ok nalioth i have some nasty looking output for you to have a look at
[04:42] <dabaSlon_mhm> and really it means everythign to him, and you tell use silly commercial websiet, but, I will let your wisdom, as the older...prevail:)
[04:42] <nalioth> yonil: system specs please
[04:42] <dabaSlon_mhm> ech0: yeah, there.
[04:42] <nalioth> Yoshimitsu: in the pm window, please
[04:42] <Yoshimitsu> cool
[04:42] <bob2> yonil: don't use packages from outside ubuntu
[04:42] <yonil> bob2, didnt ....
[04:42] <dabaSlon_mhm> ok, well, bob2 is here now, I am out:)
[04:42] <nalioth> dabaSlon_mhm: what for?
[04:43] <IIIEars__> Has anyone tried an appearance on one of the computer tech tv shows on cable or a submission to slashdot?
[04:43] <dabaSlon> just cause he knows everything, you dont need me...
[04:43] <ccc> bigfoot: sorry i just read they didn't even have to be filled. i meant the dump and file system check fields (they are usually set to "0" & "0") at the end of each line in fstab.
[04:43] <rixth> Is there a tool (command ine or gui) to convet mpc files to mp3?
[04:43] <bob2> IIIEars__: ubuntu releases have been on slashdot
[04:43] <Cybermagellan> Will Linux use .hta files?
[04:43] <nalioth> IIIEars__: for what purpose and who/what would you have on tv or /.?
[04:43] <bob2> Cybermagellan: what are they?
[04:43] <bob2> yonil: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[04:43] <nuopus> dude that is a cheap themed and canned web site you got there!
[04:43] <nuopus> lol
[04:44] <nalioth> dabaSlon: we are needed for the light work
[04:44] <nuopus> PHP fusion with a generic downloadable theme
[04:44] <bigfoot> ccc, i see. taking another look, only /dev/hda1 has  dump 0    pass 1. all others have 0 0.
[04:44] <Cybermagellan> bob2 that is when you use HTML files to launch applications
[04:44] <dabaSlon> dbernar1@veliki:~ $ ls /mnt/gmailfs     I get output as if the file is there....how come?? does this mean that I am really using the gmail storage for the file??
[04:44] <TechOzone> LOL
[04:44] <nuopus> j/k
[04:44] <CarlK_> rixth - is mpc moosepack?
[04:44] <eskaypey> yo
[04:44] <TechOzone> i worked hard on that
[04:44] <TechOzone> site
[04:44] <TechOzone> over a year
[04:44] <yonil> bob2, check #flood
[04:44] <TechOzone> lol
[04:44] <nuopus> I did the same thing!
[04:44] <IIIEars__> Ubuntu is simple to install less than 30mins on nearly any hardware. install it for a tv host.
[04:44] <nuopus> LOL
[04:44] <nuopus> only I used mambo
[04:44] <eskaypey> is there any way to tell ubuntu not to install gnome on installations?
[04:44] <TechOzone> cool
[04:44] <TechOzone> PHP Fusion is better though
[04:44] <TechOzone> lok
[04:44] <TechOzone> lol
[04:44] <nuopus> Never tried it
[04:44] <rixth> CarlK, yeah, MusePack
[04:44] <jeramy> eskaypey: yes
[04:44] <CarlK_> nuopus - I like mambo
[04:44] <bob2> eskaypey: you can do a server install, or install kubuntu, or just remove it after install
[04:45] <nuopus> Mambo is very nice
[04:45] <IIIEars__> free publicity is much cheaper than free cds
[04:45] <rixth> It's far nicer than M3 but no portable players support it.
[04:45] <bob2> yonil: that's not what I asked for...
[04:45] <rixth> Sony's HD5 is asweet deal though. I'm just waiting for mine to come from the other side of the world =/
[04:45] <CarlK_> rixth - yeah, even mplaer has trouble with mpc
[04:45] <jeramy> eskaypey: just type server at the beginning.  If you want KDE, after the install, just install kubuntu-desktop
[04:45] <eskaypey> bob2: does it give me server install option?
[04:45] <ccc> bigfoot: yeah, and 0/off is the one the system uses as default for each device if they're left blank (i didn't know that before).
[04:45] <bob2> isn't mpc yet another proprietary patent-encumbered audio format?
[04:45] <bob2> eskaypey: yes
[04:46] <bigfoot> ccc, so everything is fine then with my fstab file?
[04:46] <TechOzone> i sent a nice long message to info@shipit
[04:46] <Shuddertrix> can't you use wine and mpc2mp3?
[04:46] <ccc> bigfoot: i just noticed you didn't have those in the line you pasted here.
[04:46] <rixth> CarlK, just have to wait till I can find a Windows machine.
[04:46] <dabaSlon> ccc: do you know if the fact that I can put a file into that /mnt/gmailfs means I am using the online storage??
[04:46] <rixth> bob2, not that I know of
[04:46] <eskaypey> jeramy: oh so i type server at the start and it installes everything but not gnome?
[04:46] <IIIEars__> Truely amazed by how wonderful Ubuntu is. never thought i could use linux for everything. but i do.
[04:46] <bigfoot> ccc, yes i didn't paste it here coz it was in fstab to begin with.
[04:46] <bob2> eskaypey: it installs a basic server system, yes
[04:46] <TechOzone> aww, no one is registering to www.techozone.net
[04:46] <TechOzone> cummon guys
[04:46] <TechOzone> please
[04:46] <TechOzone> register
[04:46] <dabaSlon> ha.
[04:46] <yonil> bob2, there ...
[04:46] <TechOzone> its a good site
[04:46] <bob2> TechOzone: final warning, ever
[04:47] <eskaypey> bob2: i like that
[04:47] <TechOzone> :)
[04:47] <dabaSlon> you will get a ban, please stop. I am serious.
[04:47] <eskaypey> bob2: thank you
[04:47] <TechOzone> ok
[04:47] <ccc> bigfoot: no sorry, my knowledge ends here :/
[04:47] <eskaypey> thanks guys
[04:47] <bob2> eskaypey: np
[04:47] <rixth> Is Serial ATA support built in in kernel 2.6.10?
[04:47] <ech0> dabaSlon_mhm, theres no option for esd in the vlc audio perferences
[04:47] <eskaypey> brb
[04:47] <bob2> rixth: as modules in the initrd, yes
[04:47] <dabaSlon> ok, well, I dont know, I never used it...
[04:47] <Amaranth> ech0:  You have to install the package for it
[04:47] <bigfoot> still don't know why i can't get my gmailfs to mount. can anyone please help a 3 week old Ubuntu/Linux newbie? thank you.
[04:47] <yonil> bob2, its in #flood
[04:47] <dabaSlon> I know that is why you are getting the error, tho.
[04:47] <ech0> oh i see
[04:47] <TechOzone> @bigfoot, i will help you
[04:48] <CarlK_> bob2 - http://www.musepack.net - License: GNU LGPL
[04:48] <bob2> CarlK_: neat, my mistak
[04:48] <yonil> bigfoot, gmailfs? what's that?
[04:48] <tritium> rixth, are you sure you want to convert from one lossy format to another?  Sound quality with degenerate further.
[04:48] <TechOzone> GmailFS is the Gmail File System
[04:48] <TechOzone> you can store files on it
[04:48] <TechOzone> i love it
[04:48] <TechOzone> i use it a LOT
[04:48] <bob2> yonil: so, when I said "don't use packages from outside ubuntu", and you said "I don't", what did you mean?
[04:48] <TechOzone> its called Gmail Shell
[04:48] <bob2> yonil: since you have half a dozen non-ubuntu sources in your apt config
[04:49] <dabaSlon> bigfoot: I have it mounted, and I can put files there.
[04:49] <CarlK_> bob2 - not like you are expected to review all new web sites each moring ;)
[04:49] <rixth> Even though SATA support is not at it's top, is it still laster than PATA?
[04:49] <bob2> yonil: include known broken ones like the backports and chritian marillat's archive
[04:49] <nalioth> bob2 i aint seen so many entrys in a sources.list in my life
[04:49] <rixth> tritium, no ortable players support it.
[04:49] <yonil> bob2, but they're all pretty cool ... :\
[04:49] <yonil> bob2, thought these are ok
[04:49] <bigfoot> my problem is with mounting. I can see the the gmailfs "drive" in my computer:/// directory but I can't mount it. I get a mounting error even when i just double click on it. The mounting error is this : "mount: only root can mount /usr/share/gmailfs/gmailfs.py on /mnt/gmailfs"
[04:49] <IIIEars__> lol - apt source binge.
[04:49] <dabaSlon> bigfoot: http://pastebin.com/291100
[04:49] <ech0> w00t, thanks. works fine now. :)
[04:49] <bob2> rixth: SATA introduces some cool scsi stuff like TCQ, which would speed things up, if the hardware supports it
[04:49] <bob2> yonil: no, they're broken and causing your problem
[04:49] <yonil> bob2, what can i do now ?
[04:50] <dabaSlon> bigfoot: oh, I cant mount it neither, there...
[04:50] <dabaSlon> I can move files over to it, tho, through the terminal.
[04:50] <dabaSlon> ech0: excellent...
[04:50] <bob2> yonil: comment out all the marillat and backport entries in there, then run 'sudo apt-get update', then try installing it again
[04:50] <bigfoot> if possibl, i'd like to use gmailfs with nautilus, rather than thru the textual terminal.
[04:50] <yonil> bob2, ok thanks
[04:51] <bigfoot> is this possible?
[04:51] <bigfoot> can anyone run gmailfs outside of terminal?
[04:51] <bob2> bigfoot: dude
[04:51] <bob2> bigfoot: if it's mounted, it's mounted, terminal or nautilus
[04:51] <bob2> it doesn't matter
[04:51] <bigfoot> oh, i see.
[04:51] <bigfoot> do you think you could kindly tell me why i'm getting a mounting error, please?
[04:51] <dabaSlon> yes, just open your home folder, and go to /mnt/gmailfs
[04:52] <dabaSlon> it is prolly cause it is mounted.
[04:52] <iceman> ok how to reset keyboard input speed. HELP
[04:52] <dabaSlon> ANd you are trying to do it again.
[04:52] <dabaSlon> wow, weird/
[04:52] <winmaster> test
[04:52] <winmaster> yay
[04:52] <winmaster> it worked
[04:52] <winmaster> lol
[04:52] <dabaSlon> ha, I know, bigfoot:)
[04:53] <dabaSlon> give me a few
[04:53] <dabaSlon> the Shuddertrix guy gave you a weird command for the mount
[04:53] <bigfoot> okay, i've gone into /mnt/gmailfs in my nautilus. I tried to drag and drop a small photograph into it, and i get this "Error While Moving" dialog window: "Error while moving items to "/mnt/gmailfs". You do not have permissions to write to this folder."
[04:53] <hitchhiker|fake> hehe
[04:53] <bigfoot> dabaSlon, oh, is that so?
[04:53] <dabaSlon>  I think so.
[04:53] <dabaSlon> Ill chjeck now.
[04:54] <IIIEars__> iceman - can you adjust it using "System" >> "Preferences" >> "Keyboard"?
[04:54] <iceman> HELP . UBUNTU OPENED A APP THAT SLOWED MY KEBOARD
[04:54] <winmaster> yay, i made a channel on here
[04:54] <winmaster> #techozone
[04:54] <bob2> iceman: stop it
[04:54] <bob2> winmaster: again...
[04:54] <justin> and omg, the shift key is stuck too
[04:54] <IIIEars__> iceman - don't panic - someone here knows how to fix it.
[04:54] <winmaster> irc:\\irc.freenode.net\techozone
[04:55] <bob2> winmaster: dude?
[04:55] <tritium> iceman, what program did you open?
[04:55] <winmaster> @bob2  ya?
[04:55] <ubotu> Wish i knew, winmaster
[04:55] <IIIEars__> iceman - can you use your mouse to navigate to system .. preferences .. keyboard?
[04:55] <bob2> winmaster: your channel and website are off-topic
[04:55] <dabaSlon> bigfoot: yeah, his command is weird. is he here? Shuddertrix?
[04:56] <dabaSlon> bob2: is this at all possible to run:  sudo mount /mnt/gmailfs ?
[04:56] <Shuddertrix> someone call?
[04:56] <dabaSlon> i Mean, obviously it is not mounting anything.
[04:56] <iceman> What was the app. it opened when i ran wolfenstein enemy teratory.
[04:56] <IIIEars__> iceman? - still there?
[04:56] <bob2> dabaSlon: that would work if you had setup /etc/fstab
[04:56] <dabaSlon> hey, Shuddertrix, we are wondering how we would do that command at all./
[04:56] <dabaSlon> bob2: ah, ok.
[04:56] <bob2> you guys all have FUSE working already?
[04:56] <tritium> iceman, you need to tell us...
[04:56] <dabaSlon> bob2: for gmailfs?
[04:56] <iceman> cant type but real slow
[04:57] <IIIEars__> iceman - can't help you with that someone else here may know
[04:57] <rixth> bob2, my hard drive is (or will be, arriving tomorrow) http://wdc.com/en/products/productkit.asp?DriveID=57 I don't even know ha TCQ i8s =/
[04:57] <rixth> hat TCQ is
[04:57] <rixth> My batteries are dying :(
[04:57] <bob2> tagged command queuing
[04:57] <iceman> it opened by itsef when i ran wolfenstein
[04:58] <winmaster> good night yall
[04:58] <jasmuz> rixth: too bad
[04:58] <rixth> Seagate ha something called NCQ, same deal?
[04:58] <IIIEars__> iceman - can you use the preferences .. keyboard dialog to reset things to normal?
[04:58] <dabaSlon> bob2: this is what we have got so far: http://pastebin.com/291102 .
[04:58] <dabaSlon> k,. Im out, 4 real/
[04:58] <iceman> tryed
[04:58] <iceman> nope
[04:59] <ck2> iceman, Apps, system tools, system monitor, Resources tab - is you CPU close to 100%?
[04:59] <bob2> dabaSlon: that's not even close
[04:59] <bob2> you need to setup fuse
[04:59] <bob2> I'm really really really sure gmailfs is not a kernel module
[04:59] <dabaSlon> thanks, bigfoot is doing it.
[04:59] <iceman> ck2 no.
[04:59] <dabaSlon> bigfoot: can you make a post on forums after you make it work?
[05:00] <IIIEars__> iceman - i don't know that a reboot will help anything. - did tritium have any help with the keyboard module?
[05:00] <bigfoot> so what completed steps have i done wrong? what steps am i missing?
[05:00] <Shuddertrix> yeah, you need to get fuse on there. i can't seem to get it to work
[05:00] <bigfoot> dabaSlon, as soon as i get gmailfs working, yes i'll post on ubuntuforums.org. but as of now, i'm lost. 8-)
[05:00] <dabaSlon> thanks, k, out.
[05:00] <bob2> bigfoot: the kernel doesn't know or care about gmailfs
[05:00] <iceman> was a delay settings application .
[05:00] <bob2> the kernel knows about fuse
[05:00] <bob2> which talks to the gmailfs python program
[05:00] <bob2> you need fuse beforee anything else can happen
[05:01] <IIIEars__> iceman - going to poke around in ubuntu give me a sec.
[05:01] <bigfoot> how then can i make the kernel care about/ know gmailfs? 8-).
[05:01] <ck2> iceman,  - is everything else running normal, just a delay between pressing a key and someting happening?
[05:01] <bob2> bigfoot: you dont, you fix fuse
[05:01] <bigfoot> if fuse-ing is necessary, then please tell me how to go about it.
[05:01] <yonil> anyone know an application for encoding avi files into divx ?
[05:02] <bob2> bigfoot: even the package description for gmailfs tells you want to do..
[05:02] <ck2> yonil, transcode
[05:02] <bob2>  To use GmailFS, please use fuse-source to compile appropriate modules
[05:02] <bob2>  for your running kernel.
[05:02] <ViAi> yonil: mencoder
[05:02] <Shuddertrix> That's nice..
[05:02] <bob2> bigfoot: so install fuse-source and read it's instructions
[05:02] <Shuddertrix> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[05:02] <bob2> Shuddertrix: install build-essential
[05:02] <jasmuz> yonil: did you see mencoder?
[05:02] <bigfoot> bob2, true, tha package description of gmailfs in synaptic tells us about fuse-ing, but i was advised that it was unnecessary.
[05:02] <bob2> Shuddertrix: and please read the FAQ
[05:02] <iceman> ty. i cant type fast so i cant respond fast. yes rest of system is fine
[05:02] <ck2> yonil, http://www.transcoding.org
[05:02] <bob2> bigfoot: by who?
[05:02] <Shuddertrix> bob2: I have.
[05:03] <bob2> Shuddertrix: dpkg -l build-essential | tail -n1
[05:03] <bigfoot> by someone in this chatroom.
[05:03] <yonil> ck2, ViAi , jasmuz I'll have a look at these, thx
[05:03] <bob2> what does that print out?
[05:03] <IIIEars__> iceman - would knowing the graphical defaults listed in "keyboard" help?
[05:03] <Shuddertrix> You might also want to point me to the FAQ
[05:03] <bob2> Shuddertrix: it's in the topic
[05:03] <Shuddertrix> Besides, i probably broke something.
[05:03] <bob2> perhaps
[05:03] <bob2> nothing will work until build-essential is installed, tho
[05:04] <iceman> i adjusted in control panel . no change
[05:04] <ck2> iceman, what about typing in a terminal?
[05:04] <Shuddertrix> bob2: build-essentail was installed by me when I installed ubuntu (for the 4th time, stupid hard drive) a few days ago.
[05:05] <jeramy> Shuddertrix: I got that too and I'm running Hoary.
[05:05] <bob2> Shuddertrix: ok
[05:05] <bob2> then I'm not sure why a configure script would claim that
[05:05] <IIIEars__> iceman - likely bob2, crimsun or tritium has the answer. - i have only a month using linux
[05:05] <bob2> hwat are you trying to build?
[05:05] <bigfoot> i'm trying to install fuse-source via synaptic, but it's telling me to put in the ubuntu cd-rom. is that necessary?
[05:05] <yonil> ViAi, how do i use mencoder ? mencoder -help doesnt work, and i dont know what parameters to pass ..
[05:05] <iceman> terminal same way
[05:05] <jasmuz> yonil: why dont you read about it...
[05:05] <bob2> bigfoot: no
[05:05] <jeramy> It was right after there was an update for binutils that it stopped working...
[05:06] <jeff25> so any of you have mplayer installed?
[05:06] <yonil> jasmuz, where?
[05:06] <bob2> bigfoot: you can configure synaptic to get everything off the internet instead
[05:06] <bigfoot> bob2, how?
[05:06] <bob2> jeramy: you're using breezy?
[05:06] <bob2> jeff25: lots of people do
[05:06] <bob2> bigfoot: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[05:06] <jeramy> bob2: no
[05:06] <ViAi> yonil: well, it's much like mplayer. I suggest you to generate a raw file and from that, generate the format you want to
[05:06] <jeff25> bob2: what's the best way to install it? apt-get install mplayer?
[05:06] <maxy_noob> guys, I have a confession to make ...
[05:06] <IIIEars__> bob2 - how do you dpkg-reconfigure the keyboard?
[05:06] <bob2> jeff25: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:06] <maxy_noob> I believe I have the Linux bug.
[05:06] <IIIEars__> bob2 - iceman is stuck.
[05:06] <bob2> IIIEars__: there isn't anything like that, really
[05:07] <Shuddertrix> It must just be the fuse-source, just ran a couple other configure scripts (that check and use gcc, also)
[05:07] <bob2> IIIEars__: there's setterm for the terminal and xset/gnome control centre for X
[05:07] <IIIEars__> is there a config file?
[05:07] <jasmuz> maxy_noob: lol
[05:07] <maxy_noob> :D
[05:07] <IIIEars__> reload the module with a cold boot?
[05:07] <ViAi> yonil: have you ever tried a look on mencoder's manual? Anything, I can help you too
[05:07] <maxy_noob> friggen nothing makes sense to me using it but it's exciting nonetheless
[05:07] <Shuddertrix> plugging
[05:08] <bigfoot> bob2, i read the wiki page, but it doesn't say how to get synaptic to not look for stuff in the cdrom.
[05:08] <bob2> bigfoot: yes, I know
[05:08] <jasmuz> maxy_noob: need any help?
[05:08] <bob2> bigfoot: but it does show how to edit the repository list
[05:08] <bob2> and with a little lateral thinking...
[05:08] <Shuddertrix> must be at least 20 cables and wires running all over now.
[05:08] <IIIEars__> maxy_noob - spend two weeks here and you will be a fearless linux user.
[05:08] <maxy_noob> The only thing before I finally ditch Windows is to get my home network up and running.
[05:08] <ck2> bigfoot, in Synaptic, menu, settings, repos - you should be able to figure it out
[05:09] <thechitowncubs> I have a weird problem with gdesklets that I have no idea whats wrong... when I start it... it connects to the daemon fine, but then it starts spawning all these blank grey windows... And then to stop it I have to sudo killall -9 python to stop it from running. What could have gone wrong?
[05:09] <bigfoot> bob2, i have some idea of how to edit the list. so just to confirm: i should delete the repisotory called "Cd Ubuntu ......" right? There won't be any harm in doing so,right?
[05:09] <jasmuz> bigfoot: that is just the cd added to the list
[05:09] <bob2> bigfoot: yes, no harm
[05:09] <predius> Guys, do you have any idea why I'm not able to mount an ext2 drive?
[05:09] <predius> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc1,
[05:09] <predius>        missing codepage or other error
[05:09] <predius>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[05:09] <predius>        dmesg | tail  or so
[05:10] <predius> then dmesg =
[05:10] <predius> EXT2-fs: hdc1: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (4).
[05:10] <predius> EXT2-fs: hdc1: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (4).
[05:10] <iceman> some how, when running Wolfenstein Enemy teratory. a app launched that set keyboard delay. now i need to change it to normal.
[05:10] <maxy_noob> jasmuz: sure ... my home network
[05:10] <REds> wat did u type to mount it
[05:10] <bob2> predius: you made it with fedora and want to read it under ubuntu?
[05:10] <JDahl> anyone here use emdebian?
[05:10] <Kakason> How do I install Ruby on ubuntu?
[05:10] <IIIEars__> maxy_noob - samba worked really well for me out of the box with ubuntu.
[05:10] <predius> Made it under Ubuntu.
[05:10] <bob2> iceman: that sounds an awful lot like a problem with wolfenstein, not ubuntu
[05:10] <jasmuz> maxy_noob: what are you conecting?
[05:10] <bob2> predius: are you using a 2.4 kernel now or something?
[05:10] <iceman> anyone know the app.
[05:10] <predius> stock kernel.
[05:11] <bob2> Kakason: sudo aptitude install ruby-stuff-youo-care-about
[05:11] <thechitowncubs> Is there any way I could see what kind of errors it is spitting out?
[05:11] <maxy_noob> 3ears: is there an interface for samba?
[05:11] <iceman> not a part of wolf.
[05:11] <bob2> predius: what does "uname -r" print?
[05:11] <jasmuz> iceman: did you try to do a hard reboot...to see if your system is slow?
[05:11] <predius> 2.6.10-5-386
[05:11] <bob2> iceman: ubuntu doesn't randomly "pop up a program which slows your keyboard down", either
[05:11] <iceman> system is fine.
[05:11] <IIIEars__> iceman - It isn't that we don't want to help. just more likely someone has had the same experience and posted it on the web.
[05:11] <thechitowncubs> because when i run gdesklets in the terminal it connects to the daemon then it brings me back tot he console
[05:12] <maxy_noob> jasmuz: host box has ubuntu (2 NICs); three other boxes have XP (1 NIC each). We're all connected to a hub
[05:12] <jasmuz> maxy_noob: that sounds awfuly easy...where have you had problems?
[05:12] <predius> bob2 2.6.10-5-386
[05:12] <iceman> cant type to find it. so came here to start
[05:12] <bob2> predius: that is bizaare
[05:12] <bob2> predius: and you created it under the same kernel?
[05:13] <crimsun> stuNNed: pong
[05:13] <maxy_noob> the XP boxes can see each other, but they don't have internet connectivity
[05:13] <IIIEars__> iceman - will you do a favor?
[05:13] <predius> probably not.
[05:13] <predius> I'm trying different ones.
[05:13] <maxy_noob> I've used firestarter but that didn't seem to help
[05:13] <predius> They were all from the reps.
[05:13] <IIIEars__> iceman - when you find the solution will you share it here?
[05:13] <iceman> yes
[05:13] <jasmuz> maxy_noob: did you start the internet superserver on your Ubuntu box?
[05:13] <bob2> predius: that's very odd
[05:14] <maxy_noob> uhm, not purposely, no (I don't think)
[05:14] <maxy_noob> (note the name: maxy_noob)
[05:14] <jasmuz> Ok
[05:15] <jasmuz> maxy_noob:  im not much of a lan person ,,.....ask around...to see what you need to have your LAN running in no time
[05:15] <maxy_noob> ask around here, you mean?
[05:15] <stuNNed> crimsun: remember we were talking about setting up two soundcards?  there is person in #creative could use some help with that, if you have a minute.
[05:15] <jasmuz> of course maxy_noob
[05:15] <maxy_noob> k, thanks for the encouragement, jasmuz
[05:15] <iceman> what file has keyboard settings/
[05:15] <crimsun> stuNNed: with ALSA?
[05:16] <jasmuz> you are welcomed maxy_noob
[05:16] <Epix> is USB 2.0 backwards compatable with 1.1?
[05:16] <IIIEars__> maxy_noob - PSST! - crimsun is really very good. (don't tell him i blew his cover.) - grin
[05:16] <jasmuz> Epix: Of course!
[05:16] <maxy_noob> hahahahaha
[05:16] <stuNNed> crimsun: right now oss but maybe alsa later, could you join please?
[05:16] <maxy_noob> thanks IIIears
[05:16] <crimsun> stuNNed: have him ping me when he's dealing with ALSA, thanks
[05:17] <stuNNed> crimsun: got it, thanks
[05:17] <Epix> jasmuz: i thought so. and when usb 3.0 comes out, my usb fondue pot will be able to melt so miuch more!
[05:17] <jasmuz> Is there any Lan dude here.... maxy_noob needs help on one
[05:17] <maxy_noob> thanks jas!
[05:17] <thechitowncubs> whats the difference between completely remove and just remove in synaptic?
[05:18] <jasmuz> Epix: hahahaha
[05:18] <Epix> jasmuz: you read that on thinkgeek?
[05:18] <Epix> "track planes with laser beams"
[05:18] <jasmuz> Epix:  i read that...on the net
[05:18] <jasmuz> dont know where
[05:18] <iceman> shoot. stuck
[05:18] <hybrid_goth> thechitowncubs: remove removes the packages complete removes the libs also
[05:19] <bigfoot> i've just downloaded fuse-source from synaptic and read the accompanying readme.debian file. but i, a 3week newbie into the linux world have no idea how to make it work with gmailfs. Does anybody have some knowledge about fuse-source and gmailfs?
[05:19] <nickrud> thechitowncubs, remove leaves configuration files, completly removes configuration files
[05:19] <maxy_noob> I think Mr. crimsun might be busy
[05:19] <crimsun> maxy_noob: did you need something?
[05:19] <nalioth> Epix: those are the beams emitted by sharks
[05:19] <maxy_noob> Hi crimsun
[05:19] <Epix> nalioth: nope :P
[05:20] <maxy_noob> Yes, I'm not able to successfully get my home network working.
[05:20] <maxy_noob> host box has ubuntu (2 NICs); three other boxes have XP (1 NIC each). We're all connected to a hub
[05:20] <bob2> bigfoot: /usr/share/doc/fuse-source/README.Debian
[05:20] <hybrid_goth> anyone know of a podcast util for linux?
[05:20] <bob2> or .gz
[05:21] <maxy_noob> The XP boxes can see each other but they can't connect to the web
[05:21] <hybrid_goth> bob2: hey how is it goin
[05:21] <maxy_noob> I tried firestarter but unsuccessfully
[05:21] <bob2> hybrid_goth: good thanks, how are you?
[05:21] <hybrid_goth> bob2: great just looking for podcast software for linux
[05:21] <nalioth> well well well
[05:21] <bigfoot> bob2, i read the file, which group do i choose? which user ? sorry, pardon my ignorance.
[05:21] <nalioth> another filthy PPC user
[05:22] <iceman> ?
[05:22] <bob2> bigfoot: I don't know what you're talking about, doesn't it explain how to compile it?
[05:22] <nalioth> hybrid_goth is a filthy PPC user
[05:22] <iceman> what is this / /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/kbd/overrideSettings
[05:22] <jeff25> is there any way to disable gnome-terminal redraws?
[05:22] <bob2> hybrid_goth: isn't 'podcasting' just generating an rss file for some audio files?
[05:22] <bigfoot> bob2, yes there are instructions, but i'm afraid i don't understand it.
[05:22] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: that's the ladies bathroom window (i like to make a splash when i come in)
[05:22] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: heh
[05:23] <jasmuz> bob2:  the inverse
[05:23] <crimsun> maxy_noob: I need a bit more info regarding the Ubuntu box. I presume only one of its nics is plugged into the hub?
[05:23] <maxy_noob> yes
[05:23] <bob2> bigfoot: just do what it says, "sudo adduser bigfoot fuse", where bigfoot is your user
[05:23] <maxy_noob> actually no
[05:23] <maxy_noob> the ubuntu box functions like a router
[05:23] <bigfoot> thank you, bob2
[05:24] <maxy_noob> it serves the internet to the others
[05:24] <bigfoot> bob2, done.
[05:24] <bigfoot> now, after doing the fuse-ing, what's the next step in getting gmailfs to work?
[05:24] <iceman> where is sys.conf at/
[05:24] <bob2> bigfoot: cd ~/ ; tar -jxf /usr/src/fuse.tar.bz2
[05:25] <bob2> bigfoot: you don't have fuse working yet
[05:25] <bob2> you've barely started
[05:25] <jasmuz> brb
[05:25] <bigfoot> oh, i see.
[05:25] <crimsun> maxy_noob: only one of the Ubuntu box's nics needs to (should) be plugged into the hub
[05:25] <bob2> jasmuz: the inverse? music files of people reading out rs Dsfeeds?
[05:25] <bigfoot> okay, did the cd ... command.
[05:25] <maxy_noob> (how do you guys message her with individuals names at the start of the message?)
[05:25] <bob2> maxy_noob: you type it
[05:25] <wasap> im trying to compile the game boson 0.10 cause its not in ubuntus package system but it fails at this error checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found.
[05:26] <bob2> maxy_noob: or, type the first couple of letters, hit tab and let your irc client type it
[05:26] <bob2> wasap: install libqt3-mt-dev and build-essential, and read /usr/share/doc/libqt3-mt-dev/README.Debia
[05:26] <wasap> ran synaptic and i have basically all qt3 packages installed already
[05:26] <maxy_noob> cool bob!
[05:26] <maxy_noob> crimsun, you're right again
[05:26] <bob2> wasap: then rm config.cache
[05:26] <hybrid_goth> no one uses any podcast software in here
[05:26] <iceman> well may toast ubuntu. stupid type rate
[05:27] <bob2> iceman: yay for blaming random things
[05:27] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: this is the Ubuntu channel
[05:27] <bob2> I think it was your kettles fault, personally
[05:27] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: try #twisted_audio down the hall
[05:27] <bob2> or maybe the washing machine's
[05:27] <maxy_noob> crimsun, eth1 connected to internet
[05:27] <justin> *cough*pebkac*cough*
[05:27] <maxy_noob> crimsun, eth0 connected to hub
[05:27] <maxy_noob> 2 NICs on my (ubuntu) box
[05:27] <iceman> cant type to search web
[05:28] <bigfoot> i really don't know the next step to proceed in my attempt to get gmailfs running. please advise.
[05:28] <D[a] vey> has anybody had much luck with ubuntu on laptops?
[05:28] <Aegir`> Yeap
[05:28] <crimsun> maxy_noob: ok, so your default iface on the Ubuntu box should be eth1.
[05:28] <Aegir`> Much luck
[05:28] <justin> iceman: why would you need to search the web? go to the keyboard settings and undo whatever you did
[05:28] <maxy_noob> crimsun, yes
[05:28] <crimsun> maxy_noob: nics 1 and 2 should be on different subnets
[05:28] <Aegir`> Davey, Whats your problem?
[05:28] <bob2> bigfoot: there's no readme in the dir you created?
[05:28] <IIIEars__> crimsun = is guru in finnish.
[05:28] <Davey> Aegir`: still downloading :D
[05:28] <maxy_noob> crimsun, ok?
[05:28] <DefHandz> I need active x control to get Wine to run.
[05:29] <DefHandz> Where can I get this?
[05:29] <DefHandz> O_o
[05:29] <Aegir`> Davey, Ahhh ;)
[05:29] <bob2> Davey: works great for lots of people
[05:29] <Davey> Aegir`: but I had serious issues with SuSE :/
[05:29] <bigfoot> bob2, the readme is there.
[05:29] <crimsun> maxy_noob: is ip forwarding enabled?
[05:29] <IIIEars__> well any language really.
[05:29] <bigfoot> and i've read it.
[05:29] <nalioth> i thought crimsun was the color of fresh blood
[05:29] <Aegir`> Davey, What laptop, what hardware?
[05:29] <maxy_noob> crimsun, how do I check?
[05:29] <DefHandz> I need active x control to get Wine to run, where can I get it?
[05:29] <iceman> not in keyboard settings. some type delay application.
[05:29] <bigfoot> though wether i understand it is a different matter. 8-)
[05:29] <maxy_noob> firestarter?
[05:29] <bob2> DefHandz: you need to be way way way way way more specific before anyone can help you
[05:29] <DefHandz> Alright.
[05:29] <crimsun> maxy_noob: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[05:30] <JDahl> DefHandz, what do you mean? wine runs fine out of the box
[05:30] <Davey> Aegir`: its a Medion laptop, Celeron 2.6Ghz, 768MB RAM, 40GB HDD, SiS graphics and NIC IIRC. The biggest worry is my PCMCIA D-Link DWL-650 WNIC though...
[05:30] <DefHandz> I am asked to install Mozilla Active X control, but it never does...and I have problems running the programs because of it.
[05:30] <Aegir`> Hmm
[05:30] <DefHandz> I most likely installed it wrong, being the linux newbie I am X_X
[05:30] <Aegir`> Davey, You'll just have to try and see.
[05:30] <maxy_noob> crimsun, DONE
[05:30] <jasmuz> Davey: did you look for the card in the Linux compatibility list?
[05:30] <bob2> DefHandz: what are you trying to run?
[05:30] <DefHandz> Steam
[05:31] <Davey> jasmuz: I don't even remember where that is :/
[05:31] <Aegir`> Davey, If you still get issues, you'll have to google them specifically. Good luck :)
[05:31] <jasmuz> www.linuxquestions.org/hcl
[05:31] <Davey> I know some people have had success with it though, just don't know if ubuntu has support by default or not, if not, I can't get online to download what I need to get it working ;)
[05:31] <crimsun> maxy_noob: what's the value?
[05:31] <maxy_noob> 1
[05:32] <crimsun> ok, good.
[05:32] <bob2> bigfoot: m-a -u .
[05:32] <crimsun> maxy_noob: what networks are the nics on?
[05:32] <bob2> bigfoot: in the dir called modules
[05:32] <bigfoot> what's m -a -u?
[05:32] <maxy_noob> XP?
[05:32] <bigfoot> do i go the modules dir and then run that command?
[05:32] <bob2> bigfoot: the command to run
[05:32] <bigfoot> okay.
[05:32] <bob2> yes, that's what I said
[05:32] <iceman> anyone know a delay type rate application in ubuntu. /
[05:32] <Aegir`> Davey, I know the feeling. I was stuck at school with a recently installed copy of Ubuntu. Needed to use the Wireless to get the kernel sources that I needed to install the wireless card in the first place ;)
[05:33] <bigfoot> bob2: i got this error: bash: m: command not found
[05:33] <DefHandz> bob2, any clue what I should do
[05:33] <crimsun> maxy_noob: yes and eth0 from the Ubuntu box
[05:33] <bob2> bigfoot: then select "prepare", then select "SELECT", then select *only* fuse (with the space bar), then tab to <ok>, enter, then BUILD, say no, say no to installing, too
[05:33] <r0d> where can i get monodevelop plugins?
[05:33] <bob2> DefHandz: try #winehq
[05:33] <bob2> bigfoot: read again what I said
[05:34] <bob2> bigfoot: m-a, not m -a
[05:34] <FlyingSquirrel31> when I run tvtime in ubuntu, I get no sound.
[05:34] <bigfoot> bob2, okay, i'm sorry. i'll do that correctly this time.
[05:34] <iceman> will look a log files
[05:34] <maxy_noob> crimsun, I presume
[05:34] <maxy_noob> it sees "Windows Network"
[05:34] <justin> FlyingSquirrel31: increase the volume
[05:34] <bigfoot> bob2, i did as you said and i still get an error: bash: m-a: command not found
[05:34] <crimsun> maxy_noob: paste me their IP addresses in priv
[05:35] <FlyingSquirrel31> justin, ha ha, very funny... all of the ubuntu sounds are fine.
[05:35] <maxy_noob> crimsun, ip addresses on my ubuntu box?
[05:35] <justin> FlyingSquirrel31: yes, and all of them are irrelevant to the tv volume
[05:35] <bob2> bigfoot: sudo aptitude install build-essential module-assistant
[05:36] <maxy_noob> crimsun, I don't assign them manually in XP
[05:36] <thechitowncubs> I have a weird problem with gdesklets that I have no idea whats wrong... when I start it... it connects to the daemon fine, but then it starts spawning all these blank grey windows... And then to stop it I have to sudo killall -9 python to stop it from running. What could have gone wrong?
[05:36] <justin> or rather, unrelated
[05:36] <thechitowncubs> because when i run gdesklets in the terminal it connects to the daemon then it brings me back tot he console
[05:36] <thechitowncubs> Is there any way I could see what kind of errors it is spitting out?
[05:36] <FlyingSquirrel31> justin, how do I control the tv vol? I tried audio vol boost.
[05:36] <justin> FlyingSquirrel31: run the mixer, increase the line in or whatever
[05:37] <IIIEars__> nice tip bob2 :)
[05:37] <bigern|fswebhost> greetings
[05:37] <crimsun> maxy_noob: on all the cards
[05:37] <nalioth> thechitowncubs: i'm sure your problem has something to do with windows(tm)
[05:37] <FlyingSquirrel31> justin, sorry... the mixer... if this is as simple as you think it is I'm going to shoot myself.
[05:37] <bigern|fswebhost> got a question
[05:38] <FlyingSquirrel31> justin, What is the mixer?
[05:38] <justin> FlyingSquirrel31: the volume
[05:38] <nalioth> bigern|fswebhost: just ask
[05:38] <justin> you clicky the little speaker icon until the other window comes up
[05:38] <bigfoot> IIIEars, just curious, what was the nice tip?
[05:38] <maxy_noob> crimsun, I have DHCP enabled on all the boxes and they obtain IP addresses automatically
[05:38] <bigern|fswebhost> i loaded ubuntu horay b4 and it works great
[05:38] <bigern|fswebhost> well
[05:39] <bigern|fswebhost> i loaded it on my rack server
[05:39] <FlyingSquirrel31> justin, oh you mean the volume control that appears as a speaker near the clock? if not how do I run it / what is the program name?
[05:39] <DefHandz> how do I move files in konsole?
[05:39] <bigern|fswebhost> and instead of it going to the desktop
[05:39] <bigern|fswebhost> it just takes me to the command like
[05:39] <nalioth> DefHandz: your answer (and pls read b4 doing) is "man mv" or "man cp"
[05:39] <bigern|fswebhost> errrr
[05:39] <bigern|fswebhost> line
[05:39] <justin> FlyingSquirrel31: um, it's in the menus under sound
[05:39] <jasmuz> DefHandz: mv foofile /foo/bar/directory
[05:40] <nalioth> DefHandz: cuz "mv" is another name for "delete"
[05:40] <crimsun> maxy_noob: I still need to know their IP address
[05:40] <crimsun> maxy_noob: if you don't feel comfortable pasting them publicly, just query me
[05:40] <DefHandz> ....Why would I want to delete?
[05:40] <DefHandz> o_O
[05:40] <DefHandz> OH!
[05:40] <maxy_noob> how do I do that?
[05:40] <bigern|fswebhost> i have to login : username
[05:40] <maxy_noob> query you?
[05:40] <bigfoot> bob2, okay, i'm in the process of "prepare." Wow, it's downloading a 70MB file!
[05:40] <maxy_noob> offer chat?
[05:40] <bigern|fswebhost> and password:
[05:40] <crimsun> maxy_noob: /msg crimsun sometext
[05:41] <nalioth> maxy_noob: send a private message
[05:41] <bob2> bigfoot: that's odd
[05:41] <bigern|fswebhost> then i get the command line user@ubuntu
[05:41] <justin> crimsun: wtf do you need to know the specific ip addresses for?
[05:41] <bigern|fswebhost> it doesnt boot up to the desktop like on my other pc
[05:41] <crimsun> justin: subnetting.
[05:41] <iceman> crap need to reset keyboard config's
[05:41] <FlyingSquirrel31> justin, not system > prefs > sound ... No volume control there...
[05:41] <darmou> I'm using extended types and can't seem to find them in a search in the catalog.
[05:42] <iceman> how
[05:42] <justin> FlyingSquirrel31: the first menu
[05:42] <bigern|fswebhost> did ya'll follow all that
[05:42] <eskaypey> im installing ubuntu when im upto configuring network step it configures it with DHCP allright but can not detect default route
[05:42] <Amaranth> bigern|fswebhost:  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[05:42] <eskaypey> what do i do?
[05:42] <bigern|fswebhost> k
[05:42] <darmou> Do Archetypes need to be regisitered with the catalog somehow so they can be searched for with portal.search_catalog ?
[05:42] <justin> iceman: try clicking the menus on your screen and looking for the keyboard settings?
[05:43] <hayden> im trying to make a shell script, how can i get the current date in the form yyyymmdd to appear?
[05:43] <bigern|fswebhost> Amaranth command not found
[05:43] <Cybermagellan> http://hosting.cybermagellan.com
[05:43] <nalioth> bigern|fswebhost: can you do the "startx" thang (or did you install the server ver of ubuntu?
[05:44] <iceman> justin . did no luck. some typerate settings app
[05:44] <bigern|fswebhost> oh crap, your right
[05:44] <bigern|fswebhost> i did the server install
[05:44] <Amaranth> bigern|fswebhost: Yeah, you must have installed the server version.
[05:44] <bigern|fswebhost> i wasnt thinkin
[05:44] <Amaranth> bigern|fswebhost: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[05:44] <FlyingSquirrel31> justin, okay... I see what you're talking about, but it made no diff. Shame, I was getting excited.
[05:44] <bigern|fswebhost> duh
[05:44] <justin> iceman: control-alt-backspace?
[05:44] <nalioth> bigern|fswebhost: add this pkg "ubuntu-desktop"
[05:44] <justin> FlyingSquirrel31: you have your tv card connected to your sound card right?
[05:44] <Cybermagellan> Let me know if anyone wants hosting...
[05:44] <josh_> Anyone able to install a Java Runtime Environment?
[05:44] <bigfoot> bob2, finally. am finished the "build" thing.
[05:44] <nalioth> josh_: that is a very general question
[05:44] <Amaranth> josh_: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
[05:45] <nalioth> josh_: i've installed it on several client boxen, but not on my PPC machines
[05:45] <moqui> josh_, yes
[05:45] <FlyingSquirrel31> justin, Is there supposed to be a cable from the tuner card to the soundcard like cdroms usually have?
[05:45] <herpes> is it possible to use kernel 2.4 drives in a 2.6 kernel system?
[05:45] <Amaranth> no
[05:45] <zul> no
[05:45] <justin> FlyingSquirrel31: yep
[05:45] <iceman> still the same.
[05:45] <Amaranth> herpes: assuming you meant to say drivers
[05:45] <bigfoot> bob2, in the flood did you see the line on "Couldn't create the /usr/src/linux symlink"?
[05:45] <bigfoot> will that be a problem?
[05:46] <justin> FlyingSquirrel31: some cards can do it digitally, but usually there is one
[05:46] <jasmuz> FlyingSquirrel31: there is a stereo plug from the OUT from the TV card to the IN jack in the Soundcard
[05:46] <FlyingSquirrel31> That's prob it. I never connect them but my cd's always play, so I've gotten out of the hgabit of bothering with them.
[05:46] <Xenguy> hayden: DATETODAY=`date +"%Y-%m-%d"`
[05:46] <moqui> josh_, google it
[05:46] <justin> iceman: system->preferences->keyboard
[05:46] <hayden> Thanks Xenguy:
[05:46] <moqui> josh_, thats how i got what i needed
[05:46] <josh_> how do I add programs into my applications menu?
[05:46] <justin> FlyingSquirrel31: yeah, most programs support digital extraction to play cds that way..
[05:46] <Xenguy> hayden: yw (sets the variable)
[05:46] <nalioth> josh_: are you asking for help installing, or just wondering if others got it installed?
[05:47] <bigfoot> bob2, after finishing your instructions, i'm back on the main screen at "module assistant, interactive mode"
[05:47] <justin> bttv cards have a btaudio driver that gives you another dsp to read from, but for tvtime it is better to just connect the cable
[05:47] <hayden> Xenguy, what do u mean 'sets'
[05:47] <FlyingSquirrel31> justin, SWEET!!!
[05:47] <iceman> it slowed my type delay. some app. wolfenstein opened while i was playing. / need to find what app
[05:47] <josh_> How to install it because I go through and it says it installs, yet I go back to the site that requires it for firefox and it still says I need the java runtime environment plugin
[05:47] <FlyingSquirrel31> justin, you don't know how long I spent trying to install myth to get this to work.
[05:47] <Xenguy> hayden: just mean that a variable is created that contains todays date in that form
[05:48] <nalioth> josh_: ubuntuguide.org
[05:48] <hayden> ok
[05:48] <FlyingSquirrel31> justin, I thought that jack was extra.
[05:48] <justin> FlyingSquirrel31: well mythtv doesn't need the cable if you load the btaudio and tell mythtv to record from /dev/dsp2 or such
[05:48] <justin> that is, if you have a bttv card
[05:48] <eskaypey> shouldnt dhcp take care of default route?
[05:48] <iceman> kde control center does not change it .
[05:48] <nalioth> josh_: are you on a intel x86 box?
[05:48] <josh_> no
[05:48] <josh_> AMD
[05:49] <Cybermagellan> if anyone wants hosting off my space send me an PM
[05:49] <nalioth> josh_: amd64?
[05:49] <josh_> No
[05:49] <josh_> Athlon XP
[05:49] <Epix> what does core dumped mean?
[05:49] <FlyingSquirrel31> justin, that brings me to the other quest.  I've gone through the myth install thouroghly,
[05:49] <iceman> let me see if it affected gnome
[05:49] <nalioth> josh_: then you should have no trouble following the inst on ubuntuguide.org
[05:49] <nalioth> i've set up several client x86 boxen with java
[05:49] <josh_> I tried to add the repositories from the site and it said login failed incorrect password...
[05:49] <Xenguy> Epix: a program barfed, a lot :-)
[05:50] <nalioth> josh_: dont use apt to do java
[05:50] <Epix> Xenguy: but what is this core?
[05:50] <FlyingSquirrel31> but when I run mythfrontend I get : It gets denied access to the db
[05:50] <josh_> I'm using the link I was given
[05:50] <iceman> gnome is ok ..
[05:50] <Xenguy> Epix: google for details; that's the gist
[05:50] <FlyingSquirrel31> justin, how do I tell it the password for the db?
[05:50] <Epix> gist?
[05:50] <iceman> type rate here is fine
[05:50] <justin> FlyingSquirrel31: you didn't add your user to the mythtv group
[05:50] <ra21vi> hello room
[05:50] <jasmuz> Epix: its this huge debug log!
[05:51] <Xenguy> Epix: gist, essential idea
[05:51] <nalioth> josh_: i've never had a bit of trouble d/l the .bin and following the inst
[05:51] <ra21vi> I have just installed Ubuntu, is fast and I m messing my system to learn
[05:51] <Epix> rofl... http://www.cs.bgu.ac.il/~omri/Humor/CoreDumpedBlues.html
[05:51] <iceman> anyone know where kde stores the type rate delay settings ?
[05:51] <bob2> bigfoot: lordy
[05:51] <ra21vi> tell me how to install links
[05:51] <bigfoot> what's lordy?
[05:51] <bob2> there's so many more useful things you could be doing right now
[05:52] <bigfoot> who me?
[05:52] <ra21vi> how to install links
[05:52] <justin> ra21vi: the same way you install any other program
[05:52] <bob2> bigfoot: sudo ln -s /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) /usr/src/linux/
[05:52] <ra21vi> justin: 1st time using apt-get
[05:52] <ra21vi> pls tell me the command
[05:52] <FlyingSquirrel31> justin, it's true, I was missing, but still can't connect to the db. does the backend or mysql need to be restarted?
[05:52] <justin> ra21vi: no one said anything about apt-get
[05:52] <justin> ra21vi: try reading the ubuntu guide?
[05:52] <ra21vi> apt-get install links
[05:52] <nalioth> ra21vi: there is a fine apt-get howto on the ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[05:53] <bigfoot> bob2, do i just copy and paste as is, or do i put in my ubuntu username where you have "uname"?
[05:53] <FlyingSquirrel31> justin, besides the pw to the db is separate from normal user access, isn't it?
[05:53] <bob2> bigfoot: as is
[05:53] <ra21vi> justin: but its not listed in the package manager... and rite now i m in recovery mode...
[05:53] <bigfoot> bob2, done.
[05:53] <justin> ra21vi: try elinks
[05:54] <ra21vi> i have messed with xorg.conf , and graphics not starting... but thats a lil problem
[05:54] <eskaypey> how do i set default route guys?
[05:54] <bob2> eskaypey: why?
[05:54] <ra21vi> justin: tell me the command to install elinks in command prompt
[05:54] <eskaypey> bob2: well it detected dhcp but says it cant see default route
[05:55] <nalioth> ra21vi: it was just told to you
[05:55] <FlyingSquirrel31> ra21vi, for starting out, you may want to just use synaptic.
[05:55] <Xenguy> ra21vi: apt-get install elinks (now read the guide)
[05:55] <N17R0> Hi how can I add Firestarter to my menu, so it run with root privilege ?
[05:55] <bigern|fswebhost> Amaranth thanx its almost done loading :D
[05:55] <pingswept> eskaypey: route add default gw 192.168.1.1
[05:55] <ra21vi> nalioth: tat was not told to me, i just made guess, :)
[05:55] <ra21vi> Xenguy: thanks
[05:55] <pingswept> eskaypey: That's probably not exactly right, but it's close.
[05:56] <iceman> shoot ... i need to fix kde ... some application that changed delay of keyboard open while or when i ran wolfenstein enemy terattory.. and i cant find the application ... so my type rate is s l o w ... in kde ... anyone know the application
[05:56] <pingswept> eskaypey: man route for exact syntax
[05:56] <josh_> I still can't get java installed. The stated repositories do not work
[05:56] <ra21vi> FlyingSquirrel31: as i said, rite now i m in command mode, rescue mode, so i cannt open graphical things
[05:56] <eskaypey> pingswept: route add -net default gw 192.168.1.1 ;)
[05:56] <Amaranth> iceman: Can you change it in kcontrol?
[05:56] <nalioth> josh_: dont use repositorys
[05:56] <pingswept> Is that right? OK.
[05:56] <moqui> josh_, do you have the correct repos, if so have u ran apt-get update
[05:56] <FlyingSquirrel31> ra21vi, sorry, I just jumped into the conversation.
[05:57] <nalioth> josh_: download the bin file pointed out to you in the ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[05:57] <josh_> need to install java. Period
[05:57] <josh_> I already did
[05:57] <josh_> it does me no good
[05:57] <iceman> Amaranth nope .. this was some small application that turned on keyboard delay ..
[05:57] <pingswept> eskaypey, remember that it will disappear when you reboot.
[05:57] <ra21vi> iceman: configure KDE keyboard settings in control panel, or just get geeky, and look in xorg.conf
[05:57] <CrustyPunk> Is it at all possile to dual boot with XP and Ubuntu, when XP was installed after Ubuntu? I already tried reinstalling only GRUB from the Ubuntu install CD, that didn't work.
[05:57] <Amaranth> iceman: I'm sure it was, I'm saying it should be changable in kcontrol.
[05:57] <ra21vi> FlyingSquirrel31: :), do u jump a lot :) just joking
[05:58] <iceman> control panal ... in kde .. i tried several settings ... where in xorg.conf ?
[05:58] <N17R0> Hi how can I add Firestarter to my menu+icon, so it run with root privilege ?
[05:58] <justin> iceman: xorg.conf has nothing to do with it
[05:58] <Amaranth> N17R0: Use smeg to add it and for the command put gksudo firestarter
[05:58] <nalioth> well goodnight folks
[05:58] <hayden> how do i make a tar into tar.gz in shell?
[05:58] <jasmuz> CrustyPunk: check the www.ubuntuguide.org topic on that
[05:58] <bigfoot> bob2?
[05:58] <Amaranth> N17R0: or whatever it is to run it, for command put gksudo <thatcommand>
[05:58] <justin> hayden: how many programs do you have that start with gz?
[05:59] <ra21vi> hayden: bunzip
[05:59] <bob2> bigfoot: !
[05:59] <N17R0> alright let me check
[05:59] <jeff25> when I try to apt-get install mplayer I get get unmet dependencies - how do I deal with this?
[05:59] <iceman> let me see if theres a post on et website ?
[05:59] <Amaranth> hayden: gzip foo.tar, iirc
[05:59] <Davey> man I love cable :)
[05:59] <Davey> Hey Amaranth :)
[05:59] <hayden> thanks Amaranth
[05:59] <bigfoot> just wondering what to do now. I appreciate your time.
[05:59] <hayden> no thanks justin
[05:59] <Amaranth> Davey: !
[05:59] <Davey> Amaranth: fancy finding you here ;)
[06:00] <N17R0> Amaranth: it works like a charm thx man :D
[06:00] <Amaranth> Davey: that's nothing, watch this :)
[06:00] <Davey> you know, this is a bad time (5 minutes from finishing my download) to wonder if I have ny blank CDs...
[06:00] <eskaypey> pingswept: just was gonna say, how do you edit route permanently
[06:00] <Amaranth> Davey: :D
[06:00] <Davey> Amaranth: damn dude, I'm gonna tap you for all your Ubuntu-fu :)
[06:00] <justin> hayden: enjoy being spoonfed.
[06:00] <pingswept> eskaypey, no idea. Never figured it out. Wish I knew.
[06:01] <Dreamer3> anyone know how i can quickly turn off acpi and force APM?
[06:01] <Davey> hmm, I only have DVDs.
[06:01] <Davey> crap.
[06:01] <hayden> justin: get over it
[06:01] <eskaypey> pingswept: cool thanks
[06:01] <Cybermagellan> Dreamer3: acpi=off
[06:01] <Davey> can I put the CD ISO on a DVD?
[06:01] <CrustyPunk> Okay, better question: is it possible to boot into Linux without a boot manager? Because as of now, Windows automagically boots up and every tutorial I can find on boot managers only has directions for installing them from Linux
[06:01] <Cybermagellan> I'm not sure about forcing APM
[06:01] <Dreamer3> Cybermagellan: ah... well, wouldn't apm start if acpi doesn't?
[06:01] <Amaranth> Davey: That won't take long, I don't have much. ;)
[06:01] <Davey> Amaranth: pfft
[06:02] <pingswept> CrustyPunk, no. You definitely need a boot manager.
[06:02] <jeff25> can someone please point me to a guide that shows me how to install mplayer ?
[06:02] <jasmuz> CrustyPunk: why dont you enter with a live cd and fix grub?
[06:02] <pingswept> Great idea, jasmuz.
[06:02] <jasmuz> CrustyPunk: or make a boot disk?
[06:02] <iceman> anyone know a application that changes the typerate delay in kde
[06:02] <jasmuz> jeff25: what problems do you have?
[06:02] <CrustyPunk> jasmuz: I tried fixing grub from my CD. It won't let me install it anywhere, even on a disk
[06:02] <josh_> So will anyone help me install java? I already have the stupid file, but its not installing
[06:03] <subxero> Has anyone here successfully installed LIRC on Ubuntu 5.04?
[06:03] <jeff25> jasmuz: whe I apt-get install mplayer-k6 I have unmet dependencies
[06:03] <jeff25> *when
[06:03] <Cybermagellan> Dreamer3: I dunno....I have had problems with ACPI....that is the only way I know how to turn it off
[06:03] <justin> josh_: it would probably help if you explained what "not installing" means
[06:03] <jasmuz> CrustyPunk: i think you are doing it the wrong way
[06:03] <Dreamer3> Cybermagellan: *nods*
[06:03] <jasmuz> jeff25: does it ask you to satisfy dependencies?
[06:03] <byoungguk> hello
[06:03] <josh_> Not installing means when I follow the install instructions it says the folder does not exist and wont allow me to install
[06:03] <byoungguk> do you know hanterm?
[06:03] <Dreamer3> i really have a terrible memory leak over a day or two (all my memory gets used up and starts to swap and really slow down) and i have no idea how to fix it... had it every since hoary
[06:03] <CrustyPunk> jasmuz: do I need to do it with the live cd? I don't have that; I have the full install cd
[06:04] <crimsun> jeff25: use the testing debian-marillat repo with hoary multiverse and universe
[06:04] <jeff25> crimsun: I am I believe
[06:04] <jasmuz> CrustyPunk:  having a live cd is a savior in cases like that
[06:04] <justin> josh_: it says "the folder does not exist"?
[06:04] <jasmuz> jeff25: dont use marillat
[06:04] <jasmuz> jeff25: use ubuntu-backports
[06:04] <crimsun> jeff25: you need to pass the multiverse version explicitly to aptitude
[06:04] <CrustyPunk> jasmuz: Because whenever I go into the installer, I skip everything else excpt GRUB. It tells me I can't install to anywhere, it stops at about 50% and says "Oops! I fucked up! But I won't tell you why!"
[06:04] <josh_> you want me to go through it all again to get the exact error?
[06:05] <justin> josh_: how else do you expect anyone to tell you what is wrong?
[06:05] <jeff25> jasmuz: I've got backports and marillat in my sources.list
[06:05] <Cybermagellan> How do I control using Synaptic where plone gets installed to?
[06:05] <jeff25> crimsun: ^^^
[06:05] <jasmuz> CrustyPunk: did you have a complete setup already
[06:06] <Dreamer3> crimsun: don't guess anyone else started reporting memory leaks?
[06:06] <jeff25> crimsun: I've got marrilat and backports in my sources.list
[06:06] <jasmuz> jeff25:  ok....are you doing a apt via console or synaptic?
[06:06] <crimsun> Dreamer3: nafaik
[06:06] <josh_> "bash: cd: /usr/java/: No such file or directory"
[06:06] <jeff25> jasmuz: console
[06:06] <CrustyPunk> jasmuz: Yeah. I had a complete install, GRUB and everything, then I had to reinstall Windows due to some problems, now I can't get to Ubuntu
[06:06] <justin> josh_: and what did you type to get it to output that?
[06:06] <jeff25> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:06] <jeff25>   mplayer-k6: Depends: libavcodeccvs (>= 2:20050417-0.0) but it is not going to be installed
[06:06] <jeff25> sorry
[06:06] <justin> CrustyPunk: press alt-f2, fix
[06:06] <jeff25>               Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[06:07] <justin> jeff25: you're installing the debian mplayer packages, don't do that
[06:07] <josh_> exactly what the install instructions said
[06:07] <josh_> I copied and pasted
[06:07] <Amaranth> Davey: Make sure you get Smeg, GNOME 2.10 doesn't have a menu editor.
[06:07] <justin> josh_: and what would that be?
[06:07] <Davey> Amaranth: Smeg?
[06:07] <jeff25> justin: ok should I remove marillat from my sources.list?
[06:07] <CrustyPunk> justin: press alt-F2 where? In the installer?
[06:07] <Amaranth> Davey: http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[06:07] <justin> CrustyPunk: yep
[06:07] <crimsun> jeff25: ugh, get rid of one of them. You want only ubuntu's (hoary main restricted universe multiverse) and debian-marillat's (testing main)
[06:07] <Davey> nice :)
[06:07] <josh_> "cd /usr/java/"
[06:07] <Davey> well, crap
[06:07] <Amaranth> no, no marillat!
[06:08] <jasmuz> jeff25: sudo apt-get -f install mplayer-k6
[06:08] <CrustyPunk> justin: I'll be back shortly, gonna try that
[06:08] <jeff25> crimsun: ok
[06:08] <justin> josh_: maybe you should make that directory first?
[06:08] <crimsun> I will not condone the use of ubuntu backports. At least Christian Marillat has a half clue of packaging.
[06:08] <josh_> I can't
[06:08] <josh_> It says i dont have access to
[06:08] <justin> josh_: maybe you should be doing what the instructions say as root?
[06:08] <josh_> I did
[06:09] <justin> josh_: you obviously didn't
[06:09] <josh_> Yes, I did
[06:09] <subxero> Hmm. I've been trying to set up LIRC for a couple days now. I've looked at at least 4 guides on how to do it under Ubuntu, and somewhere along the way, something goes wrong, and I'm not quite sure how to fix it. If anyone could help me, I'd happily explain the problem in more detail.
[06:09] <josh_> I followed the instructions exactly as its typed out
[06:09] <IIIEars__>      Amarnth - did you have the "Break My Ubuntu" link? - it included marillat didn't it?
[06:09] <josh_> I am not able to add or change files in the usr/local
[06:09] <justin> josh_: why not?
[06:09] <krod> whats the root passwor.... just kidding ;p
[06:09] <josh_> How should I know?
[06:09] <Davey> wtf, why can't I put a CD ISO on a DVD? :/
[06:10] <jasmuz> Davey: yes you can
[06:10] <Davey> not using Nero
[06:10] <justin> josh_: well it didn't say, "sorry, I am not allowing you to change files in /usr/local", so what did it actually say
[06:10] <josh_> It said that don't have access
[06:10] <jasmuz> you should google how..but im sure you can
[06:10] <justin> josh_: what is "it"?
[06:11] <josh_> I CANT CREATE FOLDERS
[06:11] <josh_> what part of that do you not get?
[06:11] <jeff25>   mplayer-k6: Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[06:11] <jeff25>               Depends: libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[06:11] <jeff25> still isn't working
[06:11] <IIIEars__> josh_ - what directory are you in?
[06:11] <crimsun> jeff25: you need main, restricted, universe, and multiverse from hoary enabled.
[06:11] <justin> josh_: the part about you not bothing to give actual, real, error messages and instead your flawed interpretations of them
[06:11] <cafuego> Davey: Use cdrecord. Works fine.
[06:11] <crimsun> jeff25: and you need to pass the version to aptitude
[06:11] <josh_> I gave real error messages
[06:11] <Amaranth> jeff25: get rid of marillat
[06:12] <IIIEars__> josh_ - you can try gksudo or sudo gedit.
[06:12] <Amaranth> Davey: Nope, different formats.
[06:12] <josh_> I've tried installing the damn thing and I can't do it and people are simply telling me to download a file I already have
[06:12] <crimsun> jeff25: like this: sudo aptitude install mplayer-586=1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[06:12] <Amaranth> Davey: The DVD ISO has all of main on it though, iirc.
[06:12] <Amaranth> Davey: So it's worth it to get it.
[06:12] <justin> josh_: why can't you do it?
[06:12] <josh_> I dont know how to use it
[06:12] <justin> josh_: weren't you just talking about some instructions?
[06:12] <josh_> Because I can't make new folders and its required to install
[06:12] <justin> josh_: why can't you make new folders?
[06:13] <cafuego> josh_: You need to be root for that.
[06:13] <Amaranth> He probably needs to use sudo
[06:13] <josh_> Do the insturctions have gedit instructions? Oh gee look at that they dont...
[06:13] <justin> cafuego: well  he claimed he was
[06:13] <cafuego> josh_: What are you installing into /usr/local, btw?
[06:13] <josh_> I dont know why I cant make new folders, your guess is as good as mine
[06:13] <josh_> java
[06:13] <IIIEars__> justin - quality asurance. - Ubuntu repositories have been carefully combed through
[06:13] <cafuego> josh_: No.
[06:13] <justin> josh_: YOU are the one sitting in front of YOUR computer
[06:13] <josh_> No shit
[06:13] <Amaranth> josh_: You tried sudo?
[06:13] <cafuego> josh_: Download the java .bin file. Run 'make-jpkg' (from the java-package package) on the file.
[06:13] <cafuego> josh_: don't run the sun .bin file.
[06:14] <josh_> I dont have instructions for sudo
[06:14] <justin> 00:08 < justin> josh_: maybe you should be doing what the instructions say as root?
[06:14] <jeff25> crimsun: here is what I got:
[06:14] <jeff25> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[06:14] <justin> 00:08 < josh_> I did
[06:14] <Amaranth> cafuego: fakeroot make-jpkg file.bin
[06:14] <Davey> Amaranth: but I just finished downloading the CD ISO
[06:14] <jeff25> crimsun: is that correct?
[06:14] <cafuego> Amaranth: indeed.
[06:14] <Amaranth> Davey: So get a CD-R. ;)
[06:14] <cafuego> josh_: 'sudo apt-get install java-package'
[06:14] <Davey> unfortunately, its only 4x :/
[06:14] <Davey> time for a smoke I think, brb
[06:14] <josh_> where?
[06:14] <crimsun> jeff25: yes
[06:14] <Amaranth> Davey: Oh, and unless you like pain don't upgrade to breezy.
[06:14] <cafuego> josh_: Type that on the command line and enter YOUR password when asked for it.
[06:14] <Yoshimitsu> brb
[06:15] <justin> cafuego: ah, I guess whoever was packaging that finally settled on a name heh
[06:15] <justin> was wondering where make-j2se or whatever it was called went to
[06:15] <Amaranth> justin: We've had that package since warty
[06:15] <josh_> It says I already have it
[06:15] <cafuego> josh_: Good.
[06:15] <IIIEars__>  this link has some nice info on sudo http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:15] <josh_> my browser on the other hand says I dont
[06:15] <Amaranth> josh_: fakeroot make-jpkg file.bin
[06:15] <cafuego> josh_: Now run 'faekroot make-jpkg <name of the java .bin file>'
[06:15] <cafuego> fakeroot even
[06:15] <Davey> Amaranth: I wasn't going to ;)
[06:15] <Amaranth> josh_: where file.bin is the name of the file you downloaded
[06:15] <jeff25> crimsun: ok it's working... but now apt-get update says I have duplicates
[06:16] <Amaranth> Davey: You actually read the topic? You're a dying breed around here, it seems. :)
[06:16] <Yomic> Where would I go for information on why my Hoary CD hasn't shipped yet?
[06:16] <Davey> Amaranth: I didn't even know what breezy was when I read the topic, but I'm still a linux n00b, stable is fine for me ;)
[06:16] <Amaranth> Yomic: You wouldn't, you only get information on whether it shipped or not.
[06:16] <josh_> Amaranth, you're not getting it. I install, it says it installed but in reality it does not. So I try to manually install it and it wont allow me to
[06:16] <Davey> Amaranth: actually, I guess Ubuntu stable relates closer to Debian testing which I used use on my server
[06:17] <Amaranth> josh_: That command makes a .deb file
[06:17] <Yomic> Amaranth: I see. And where would that be?
[06:17] <Amaranth> josh_: which you install with sudo dpkg -i <nameofdeb>.deb
[06:17] <tbasten> anyone know how to make a folder so that u have to type in a password to access it, Like a personal folder
[06:17] <Amaranth> Yomic: http://shipit.ubuntu.com
[06:17] <josh_> I've gone through the whole agreeing to the terms and blah blah blah
[06:17] <cafuego> josh_: Is the make-jpkg command finished?
[06:17] <IIIEars__> Amaranth - nice tip - "fakeroot" Sun's info didn't help me only managed to get the vers command
[06:17] <cafuego> josh_: Good. Then now you have a j2se*.deb or j2re*.deb file there.
[06:17] <Yomic> Amaranth: Thanks.
[06:17] <cafuego> josh_: Can you verify that?
[06:18] <iceman> what is the app to run in terminal that configs keyboard, mouse, display
[06:18] <holycow> hey guys ... i have a laptop here with an atheros wireless chipset, lsmod shows ath_pci installed, lspci names the atheros ethernet controller but lists it as 'unknown device', and ifconfig doesn't show ath0 available ... anyone know how to go further from here in terms of debugging?
[06:18] <Amaranth> iceman: xset, iirc
[06:18] <cafuego> holycow: Is the madwifi driver loaded?
[06:18] <justin> iceman: when you screwed up your keyboard, were you running X as root?
[06:18] <iceman> justin no
[06:18] <josh_> No
[06:18] <cafuego> !&($^* it is
[06:18] <nickrud> josh, cafuego it's sun*deb, if it's a sun bin
[06:18] <cafuego> josh_: Any .deb files at all?
[06:19] <justin> iceman: then you don't need reconfigure anything
[06:19] <cafuego> ah yes
[06:19] <justin> iceman: add a new user account and see if that is screwed up too or not.
[06:19] <jeff25> what is a backport?
[06:19] <josh_> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ubuntujava.yimports.com binary/ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntujava.yimports.com_binary_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[06:19] <holycow> cafuego, appearently not
[06:19] <iceman> xorg.config . command to run
[06:19] <cafuego> josh_: ls *deb
[06:19] <cafuego> josh_: Does that list any files?
[06:19] <|iceman|> hey... that's my nick!  :o)~
[06:19] <justin> iceman: do NOT touch any xorg config stuff
[06:19] <Amaranth> iceman: xset
[06:19] <josh_> where am i typing that?
[06:20] <cafuego> josh_: On the command line
[06:20] <holycow> oh appearently i haveto compile madwifi drivers on ubuntu
[06:20] <holycow> i see
[06:20] <holycow> okay thanks for that tip, heh
[06:20] <jeff25> I get duplicates in apt-get update if I include the backport repositories
[06:20] <jeff25> why is that
[06:20] <cafuego> holycow: If all else fails, use ndiswrapper.
[06:20] <holycow> hell no, i refuse to submit to that :)
[06:20] <josh_> ls: *deb: No such file or directory
[06:20] <cafuego> josh_: Ok
[06:21] <cafuego> josh_: Did you run that command in the same directory as where you ran the make-jpkg command?
[06:21] <josh_> yes
[06:22] <cafuego> josh_: Did the make-jpkg command print any errors?
[06:23] <Davey> *sigh* 57% written
[06:23] <Davey> this is sad, longer to burn than to download :/
[06:23] <bigbill52a> nickserv identify bigbill52a
[06:23] <Davey> oops
[06:23] <cafuego> Davey: it could be a 1X cdrom
[06:23] <josh_> dpkg: error processing jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.deb (--install):
[06:23] <josh_>  cannot access archive: No such file or directoryErrors were encountered while processing:
[06:23] <Davey> cafuego: 4x
[06:23] <bigbill52a> duh
[06:23] <Davey> bigbill52a: time for a password change ;)
[06:23] <bigbill52a> hit the wrong key...
[06:24] <Davey> you think?
[06:24] <thoreauputic> bigbill52a: time for  a new password...
[06:24] <cafuego> Davey: I'm just saying, it could be worse ;-)
[06:24] <bigbill52a> can barely remember this one
[06:24] <Davey> cafuego: pfft
[06:24] <bigbill52a> how do you change passwords?
[06:24] <Davey> bigbill52a: /msg nickserv help
[06:25] <cafuego> bigbill52a: /msg nickserv help
[06:25] <Davey> hehe
[06:25] <jeff25> what is the difference between universe and multiverse packages?
[06:25] <cafuego> josh_: it said that when you ran 'make-jpkg'?
[06:25] <jeramy> jeff25: multiverse has non-free stuff in it
[06:25] <cafuego> josh_: Their names and their content.
[06:25] <jeff25> jeramy: ah
[06:26] <Davey> it took me 4.5mins to download, I'm at 74% burned and its taken 12.5 minutes so far :/
[06:26] <josh_> tell me exactly what to type then
[06:26] <cafuego> josh_: What is the exactl filename that you downloaded?
[06:26] <jeramy> josh_: Where is the sun .bin file?  Is it in your home directory?
[06:26] <bigbill52a> doesnt tell you how to change your password....
[06:27] <nickrud> jeff25, a backport is a package that is made unofficially, and meant to replace the original. Quality varies.
[06:27] <josh_> jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.rpm
[06:27] <nickrud> jeff25, the reason you have duplicates is you are seeing ubuntu's package, and the backported package
[06:27] <erika> hi
[06:28] <justin> bigbill52a: that is a pretty shitty password
[06:28] <cafuego> josh_: You can delete that file, it's useless.
[06:28] <cafuego> josh_: Go to the sun website and download the .bin file, NOT the .rpm.
[06:28] <bigbill52a> yeah..but who would think that i would be that dumb...
[06:28] <josh_> That was a bin
[06:28] <IIIEars__> justin - language please. :/
[06:28] <josh_> it made it an RPM
[06:28] <cafuego> bigbill52a: /msg nickrud help set
[06:28] <cafuego> bigbill52a: uh, nickserv,  not nickrud :-)
[06:29] <nickrud> :)
[06:29] <cafuego> josh_: make-jpkg does not makes RPMs.
[06:29] <josh_> It was a bin then to access it, it extracted it into an RPM
[06:29] <garnertr> Evening all...
[06:29] <cafuego> josh_: Yes, it was the .rpm.bin file. not the just .bin file.
[06:29] <cafuego> RPMs are for redhat. not for Ubuntu.
[06:30] <erika> could anyone help me on how to install the correct vido drivers for 8vm533m-rz motherboard? i think it is an integrated proSavage8 ... is there and apt-get for it?
[06:30] <jeramy> RPM = Red hat Package Manager, iirc.
[06:30] <Bluefire> cafuego: you can do alien ont them
[06:30] <josh_> It said "Linux (self-extracting file)"
[06:30] <cafuego> Bluefire: Why would you, if you don't need to?
[06:30] <IIIEars__> "alien" can sometimes translate  RPM packages successfully
[06:30] <jeff25> nickrud: ah
[06:30] <cafuego> josh_: No, the RPM says "Linux RPM in self-extracting file".
[06:30] <jeff25> nickrud: makes sense
[06:31] <bigbill52a> done
[06:31] <bigbill52a> hope i can remember it....
[06:31] <jeramy> josh_: Unfortunately for us, Sun believes that Red Hat == Linux
[06:31] <cafuego> josh_: The one you need is below that, "Linux self-extracting file  (jre-1_5_0_03-linux-i586.bin, 15.80 MB)"
[06:31] <josh_> Yeah which is not the one I clicked on
[06:31] <josh_> I clicked on the very bottom one
[06:31] <cafuego> jeramy: No, sun has two files for download. josh_ got the wrong one.
[06:31] <nickrud> jeff25, http://pastebin.com/290397 has a good sources.list to work from
[06:32] <josh_> Just give me the command, I DLed the file...again says .bin
[06:32] <cafuego> josh_: If you got the right file, it would not have extracted to a .RPM
[06:32] <jeff25> nickrud: thanks
[06:32] <josh_> Then give me the command line I need. I have the new file
[06:32] <justin> josh_: ffs, it's the same command as before
[06:32] <jeramy> cafuego: Yeah, I know.  :)  Mostly that comes out in press releases and stuff.  It would be nice if they provided an rpm and a deb
[06:32] <cafuego> josh_: You have jre-1_5_0_03-linux-i586.bin?
[06:33] <IIIEars__> cafeugo - I know that using java and web plugins are just asking for trouble but i can't ressist can you walk josh_ through installing it. - for josh_ - :)
[06:33] <jeff25> nickrud: it turns out that marillat was my problem
[06:33] <josh_> yes
[06:33] <nickrud> jeff25, yes
[06:33] <jeff25> nickrud: I commented them all out and the duplicates went away
[06:33] <cafuego> josh_: Ok. Does it live in your home directory?
[06:33] <justin> jeramy: no, it would be nice if they would just give up with the useless java license crap, then no one would have to deal with it
[06:33] <iceman> cant create an account
[06:33] <josh_> Its on my desktop
[06:33] <justin> iceman: what does "cant create an account" mean?
[06:34] <cafuego> josh_: Open a shell, then cd to your Desktop directory.
[06:34] <iceman> crap. must i reintall
[06:34] <nickrud> jeff25, now, to be precice, it wasn't a problem.
[06:34] <jeramy> justin: Very true.
[06:34] <josh_> I just started using Ubuntu today...I have no idea how to do any of that
[06:34] <jeff25> nickrud: ah
[06:34] <cafuego> josh_: On the menuu, chick System Tools -> Terminal
[06:34] <justin> iceman: why the hell would you need to do that?
[06:34] <cafuego> click too
[06:34] <jeff25> nickrud: I guess I see what you mean.  there were more than one package with the same name
[06:35] <lampshade> RAH!
[06:35] <justin> iceman: you obviously screwed up something in your user account and don't know how to fix it. so just create a new user account.
[06:35] <josh_> Ok, then what?
[06:35] <cafuego> josh_: 'cd Desktop'
[06:35] <bigfoot> bob2, hi theer.
[06:35] <iceman> to much delay in keyboard
[06:35] <bigfoot> there.
[06:35] <bzbb> what's the best method to install Radeon Drivers?
[06:35] <josh_> ok, then
[06:35] <nickrud> jeff25, having more than one package to choose from gives you versatility, but you must judge the quality of the non-ubuntu packages
[06:35] <cafuego> josh_: 'ls -l jre-1_5_0_03-linux-i586.bin'
[06:35] <cafuego> josh_: Does that list the file?
[06:36] <josh_> ls: jre-1_5_0_03-linux-i586.bin: No such file or directory
[06:36] <iceman> tried to make new used. crashd and backto login screen
[06:36] <cafuego> josh_: 'ls -l jre*'
[06:36] <bigfoot> hi everyone. can someone please help me, a newbie?
[06:36] <josh_> ok then what?
[06:36] <Linux_Man> bigfoot: what ?
[06:36] <cafuego> josh_: What does that show?
[06:36] <justin> iceman: tried how
[06:36] <josh_> Lots of stuff
[06:37] <iceman> can type got to hold keys long time
[06:37] <cafuego> josh_: Such as?
[06:37] <erika> could anyone help me, please, on how to install the correct vido drivers for 8vm533m-rz motherboard? i think it is an integrated proSavage8 ... is there and apt-get for it?
[06:37] <bigfoot> Linux_Man, it's about getting gmailfs working.
[06:37] <iceman> kde user manager
[06:37] <josh_> bin, changes, copyright, i386, javaws and more
[06:37] <Linux_Man> bigfoot: no can do there
[06:37] <justin> don't use the kde user manager
[06:37] <cafuego> josh_: Did you try to run the .bin file at all after downlaoding it?
[06:37] <justin> just run adduser
[06:37] <iceman> brb
[06:37] <josh_> no
[06:38] <thoreauputic> cafuego: I have a feeling he's in the wrong dir
[06:38] <cafuego> thoreauputic: Indeed.
[06:38] <josh_> How so? My desktop is my desktop
[06:38] <cafuego> josh_: 'sudo find / -name jre-1_5_0_03-linux-i586.bin' and wait until that finishes.
[06:38] <jeramy> josh_: type pwd
[06:38] <thoreauputic> cafuego: your patience is exemplary :)
[06:38] <cafuego> josh_: Well, the file you say you downloaded doesn't exist on your desktop, apparently.
[06:39] <justin> cafuego: why would you have him do that? you can just right click the file and go to the properties
[06:39] <josh_> I'm looking at it right now
[06:39] <bzbb> Do I just use alien on the .rpm for Xorg from th ATI site?
[06:39] <cafuego> thoreauputic: Chainsmoking here...
[06:39] <thoreauputic> hehe
[06:39] <jeramy> At the prompt it says "josh@linux:~/Desktop$   ??
[06:39] <josh_> No
[06:39] <jeramy> What does it say?
[06:39] <josh_> josh@WhiteRaven:~/Desktop$
[06:39] <cafuego> bzbb: I'm pretty sure the fglrx driver is prepackaged in the 'restricted' repository.
[06:39] <justin> bzbb: no, you install the packages that you already have for the fglrx drivers
[06:39] <jeramy> oh ok.  :)
[06:39] <thoreauputic> haha
[06:39] <jeramy> Do you see the .bin file on your desktop?
[06:39] <thoreauputic> sorry
[06:40] <josh_> Yes
[06:40] <jeramy> like, the icon?
[06:40] <jeramy> Ok.
[06:40] <josh_> yes
[06:40] <cafuego> josh_: 'ls *bin'
[06:40] <jeramy> So if you just do ls, does it show up?
[06:40] <cafuego> josh_: Does that list it?
[06:40] <josh_> its an icon with a browish diamond and says SH
[06:40] <josh_> no it just asked for the password then went back to josh@WhiteRaven:~/Desktop$
[06:40] <cafuego> josh_:  'ls *bin' asked for a password?
[06:41] <josh_> no the last thing you asked
[06:41] <josh_> and yes it lists the file
[06:41] <cafuego> josh_: Yeah. type 'ls *bin' for me.
[06:41] <cafuego> josh_: Can you paste the filename here?
[06:41] <Linux_Man> Wohooo i got wine to un ARES
[06:41] <jeramy> perfect.  So you see it.
[06:41] <josh_> it shows jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin
[06:41] <cafuego> josh_: Select it with the mouse, then middle-click in IRC.
[06:42] <cafuego> josh_: Ok. So you have the 02 version, not the 03 version.
[06:42] <holycow> which package contains shareutils?
[06:42] <cafuego> it would be handy to tell me next time ;-)
[06:42] <justin> cafuego: he needs to learn the concept of tab completion
[06:42] <holycow> oh nm, typ
[06:42] <cafuego> josh_: Run 'fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin'
[06:42] <justin> cafuego: you realize he is sitting there typing out every _ ?
[06:42] <holycow> typo
[06:42] <josh_> Thats the one java has on their site
[06:42] <cafuego> josh_: Thety have a newer one, I'
[06:42] <jeramy> josh_: and when you get to the jre, just press tab and it'll fill in the rest.
[06:43] <cafuego> m looking at their site now. But for now, lets' work with the 02.
[06:43] <josh_> um....errors...
[06:43] <jeramy> What's the error?
[06:43] <cafuego> josh_: What errors?
[06:43] <raz> Uninstalled MPlayer but it is still under 'Sound & Video', how can I remove it from there?
[06:43] <josh_> says this like 5 times in a row
[06:43] <josh_> sh: gcc: command not found
[06:43] <josh_> dpkg-architecture: warning: Couldn't determine gcc system type, falling back to default (native compilation)
[06:43] <jeramy> ah.
[06:44] <cafuego> josh_: Ok, not a problem. 'sudo apt-get install build-essential'
[06:44] <jeramy> Type in "sudo apt-get install build-essential'
[06:44] <cafuego> @lose jeramy
[06:44] <ubotu> cafuego: I haven't a clue
[06:44] <jeramy> Yeah, cafuego you beat me to it.  :)
[06:44] <jeramy> :P
[06:44] <josh_> well it asks if this is correct....do I press y or n?
[06:44] <cafuego> ubotu: you're useless
[06:44] <IIIEars__> iceman - helpful tips on working with passwords. 2/3 of the way down the page  http://ubuntuguide.org/
[06:44] <cafuego> josh_: 'y'
[06:45] <josh_> Um....it put down the license terms and stuff....
[06:45] <cafuego> josh_: Yes, you need to agree to those.
[06:45] <cafuego> josh_: Just follow the instructions.
[06:46] <josh_> and now its inflating like 500 million files...
[06:46] <cafuego> josh_: Yes, all good.
[06:46] <josh_> but i couldnt type what you said to
[06:46] <cafuego> josh_: That's OK. Looks like that wasn't necessary.
[06:46] <josh_> and now it says its creating Creating jre1.5.0_02/lib/rt.jar
[06:46] <josh_> kind of sitting there for a bit...
[06:47] <iceman> crap.
[06:47] <cafuego> josh_: yeah, that would be quicker on a faster cpu.
[06:47] <josh_> Um...some errors came up...
[06:47] <paulproteus> Is anyone around here in Rochester, NY?
[06:47] <cafuego> josh_: errors?
[06:47] <josh_> chmod: cannot access `/etc/.java/.systemPrefs/.system.lock': No such file or directory
[06:47] <justin> I've been to Rochester, does that count? :-P
[06:47] <iceman> cant fix this. typerate to low
[06:47] <paulproteus> justin: Kinda. ;)
[06:47] <cafuego> josh_: Yeah, just ignore 'em
[06:47] <justin> iceman: make. a. new. user. account.
[06:48] <raz> Uninstalled Mplayer, but it's 'shortcut' is still present under Apps->Sound & Video.. how do i take I delete it from there?
[06:48] <IIIEars__> ubotu - what was your question?
[06:48] <ubotu> IIIEars__: I give up, what is it?
[06:48] <josh_> Ok it says Create debian package: and has a list
[06:48] <cafuego> IIIEars__: uBOTu
[06:48] <iceman> tried in gnome. x cant start it
[06:48] <cafuego> josh_: Cool.
[06:48] <IIIEars__> cafuego - ah okay.
[06:49] <IIIEars__> a bot would be nice here.
[06:49] <Madpilot> IIIEars: run whois on ubotu, man. chat bot?
[06:49] <josh_> Is it supposed to do anything after that?
[06:49] <vince_> hello all. has someone been successful in using the framebuffer and a splash image at boot time (like in gentoo)?
[06:49] <iceman> one app, it resets keyboard delay
[06:49] <cafuego> josh_: If you're back at the shell prompt, it's done and there will now be a .deb file there.
[06:49] <Davey> OK, I have it burned. bbs I hope :)
[06:49] <Madpilot> ubotu: what colour are you?
[06:49] <ubotu> Madpilot: what are you talking about?
[06:49] <Madpilot> :)
[06:49] <josh_> Well I'm getting the...sh: gcc: command not found
[06:49] <josh_> dpkg-architecture: warning: Couldn't determine gcc system type, falling back to default (native compilation)
[06:49] <cafuego> josh_: 'ls *deb' will list it.
[06:50] <iceman> sec
[06:50] <cafuego> josh_: Ok, not done yet then
[06:50] <bzbb> ok, after I install fglrx, how do I set it up?
[06:51] <cafuego> bzbb: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:51] <IIIEars__> Good Night! - :)
[06:51] <bzbb> thanks
[06:51] <Amaranth> Davey: any luck?
[06:51] <Madpilot> ubotu: are you a bot?
[06:51] <ubotu> Madpilot: Wish i knew
[06:51] <cafuego> ubotu: what are you
[06:51] <ubotu> I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>
[06:51] <Amaranth> No bots.
[06:51] <raz> How do you edit/delete things from the 'Applitcations' menu?
[06:51] <cafuego> Amaranth: Eh, why did you do that?
[06:52] <lilmdk> has anyone had any trouble running nicotine on hoary ?
[06:52] <Amaranth> raz: Use smeg. It's on the forums.
[06:52] <cafuego> Amaranth: ubotu is here to provide package info.
[06:52] <Amaranth> cafuego: You didn't ask.
[06:52] <cafuego> Amaranth: Actually, I did.
[06:52] <cafuego> Amaranth: /msg bob2 did cafuego ask about the bot?
[06:52] <Amaranth> cafuego: Who gave you permission to bring in a bot that floods the channel?
[06:52] <josh_> How do I know when its done?
[06:52] <Madpilot> so, what *is* a blootbot?  <-- IRC noob here...
[06:52] <Amaranth> Make it not say anything in the channel and be able to be used from a PM.
[06:53] <cafuego> Amaranth: The bot doesn't flood the channel, it responds ONLY when addressed directly.
[06:53] <cafuego> Amaranth: Well, that's easy enough.
[06:53] <Amaranth> Then it doesn't matter if it's +q. :P
[06:53] <ra21vi> hi, I am back...
[06:53] <Amaranth> cafuego: I'll talk to bob2 about it.
[06:54] <justin> um, well if it is +q, then it CANT respond when addressed directly
[06:54] <ra21vi> tell me how to change the resolution to 800x600,
[06:54] <iceman> can start new account
[06:54] <josh_> cafuego: how do I know when its done
[06:54] <ra21vi> its default to 640x480 and gnome-display-properties only showing this option
[06:54] <crimsun> justin: +q doesn't affect queries.
[06:54] <ra21vi> anyone please
[06:54] <justin> it also makes things like ~+info foo-package useless
[06:55] <hajuu> hey
[06:55] <cafuego> josh_: It's done where you're back at the shell prompt.
[06:55] <hajuu> I recently installed Ubuntu.. (last night) and im having some problems with my dialup
[06:55] <josh_> which I am
[06:55] <Aegir`> hajuu, whats the problem?
[06:56] <Amaranth> justin: When I talk to bob2 we'll decide whether or not it should be able to do that.
[06:56] <Yoshimitsu> when i start mplayer i get this error any idea why. and also when i try to play something through the Mplayer GUI it crashes.. Failed to open /home/acidwolf/<
[06:56] <Madpilot> ra21vi: did you start Ubuntu w/ the monitor turned off?
[06:56] <cafuego> it ignores any non-privmsg stuff now.
[06:56] <cafuego> josh_: Ok, then it's finished. 'ls *deb'
[06:57] <hajuu> The problem is that its going rediculously slow... I havent configured my modem at all.. I just autodetected it because I couldnt actually find any modem config
[06:57] <josh_> cafuego:  ok then what?
[06:57] <cafuego> josh_: What file did that list?
[06:57] <nickrud> ra21vi, please do grep Default /var/log/Xorg.0.log > ~/resolutions, and paste that on pastebin.com
[06:57] <josh_> cafuego: sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update02_i386.deb
[06:57] <iceman> slow keys function ... was the problem
[06:57] <cafuego> josh_: 'sudo dpkg -i sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update02_i386.deb'
[06:57] <iceman> in accessibility ...
[06:58] <thoreauputic> hajuu: I suggest you run ` sudo pppconfig` and then use the pon and poff commands (I had a similar problem)
[06:58] <josh_> cafuego: its back at the prompt again
[06:58] <thoreauputic> hajuu: pppconfig will ask the relevant questions
[06:58] <hajuu> oh nice
[06:58] <hajuu> thanks
[06:58] <cafuego> josh_: Did it print any errors?
[06:59] <cafuego> josh_: Or just info?
[06:59] <josh_> cafuego: some info like unpacking and Setting up
[06:59] <cafuego> josh_: Good. type 'java -version'
[06:59] <hajuu> For a dialup connection.. do I want none for dns.. static.. or dynamic?
[06:59] <hajuu> none right?
[06:59] <thoreauputic> hajuu: if you find /dev/modem doesn't work, try /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/ttyS1
[07:00] <josh_> java version "1.4.2"
[07:00] <hajuu> yeah I am using /dev/ttyS0 .. that was my first try hehehe
[07:00] <cafuego> josh_: Ha. You have an older java version installed that's overriding the new one.
[07:00] <josh_> cafuego: but i didn't have one before
[07:00] <cafuego> josh_: yes, you did.
[07:01] <josh_> cafuego: then why did my browser state I didn't?
[07:01] <Davey|Work> well that was somewhat aborted :(
[07:01] <gautham> hi folks
[07:01] <cafuego> josh_: Because the one you just installed does _not_ print that notice.
[07:01] <nickrud> ra21vi, do you need help with that?
[07:01] <hitchhiker> hi my lord
[07:01] <Davey|Work> CarlK_: guess what...
[07:01] <josh_> cafuego: so then what?
[07:01] <dabaSlon> yoyoyo:)
[07:01] <cafuego> josh_: Your browser needs a java plugin as well as java. probably the other version didn't install a plugin.
[07:01] <dabaSlon> heh
[07:02] <josh_> cafuego: so where do I get a plugin?
[07:02] <Davey|Work> cafuego: according to both Nero in winXP on my laptop and to the machine at startup, Ubuntu didn't burn
[07:02] <gautham> i cant change my screen resolution to 800*600
[07:02] <gautham> what shu i do?
[07:02] <cafuego> josh_: The new package installed one.
[07:02] <Davey|Work> but I can see in the coloration on the disk it did :/
[07:02] <cafuego> josh_: So now you need to get rid of the old one.
[07:02] <gautham> how to change screen reolution?
[07:03] <gautham> to 800*600?
[07:03] <cafuego> josh_: As to how to do that, it depends on how you installed it.
[07:03] <josh_> cafuego: well then my browser will agree to disagree
[07:03] <hitchhiker> ctl art -
[07:03] <josh_> cafuego: it still says I am missing the plugin
[07:03] <hitchhiker> s/art/alt/
[07:03] <nickrud> gautham, what kind of video card do you have
[07:03] <Davey> weird... my desktop reads the fucking CD just fine :/
[07:03] <Madpilot> josh_: which browser?
[07:04] <hajuu> ok ive run pppconfig now
[07:04] <josh_> cafuego: Firefox and Konqueror
[07:04] <hajuu> How do I use that connection I just setup?
[07:04] <Davey> this is ridiculous
[07:04] <Davey> why would a CD drive not read a disk?!
[07:04] <hitchhiker> firefox is goood ^_^
[07:04] <gautham> Madpilot, i cant change my screen rsol. can u help?
[07:04] <thoreauputic> hajuu: assuming you didn't specify a provider, just type "pon" in a terminal
[07:05] <hajuu> /usr/sbin/pppd: In file /etc/ppp/peers/provider: unrecognized option '/dev/modem'
[07:05] <dr_willis> Davey,  your laptop wont read a cd that your desktop will? or is this a dvd disk? how old is the laptop?
[07:05] <Madpilot> gautham: maybe. keep in mind I've only been using Linux ten days, tho!
[07:05] <hajuu> when I run pon
[07:05] <hitchhiker> Madpilot<]   hehe
[07:05] <thoreauputic> hajuu: if you did specify, then type "pon <providername>"
[07:05] <hitchhiker> Madpilot<]   me too
[07:06] <thoreauputic> hajuu: if it doesn't work, check that you are a member of the dialout and dip groups
[07:06] <Davey> dr_willis: laptop is about 15 months old
[07:06] <josh_> cafuego: firefox says...and I quote..."Additional plugins are required to display all the media on this page."
[07:06] <Davey> dr_willis: has a CD-RW/DVD combined drive
[07:06] <gautham> hajuu, help needed for screen resolution
[07:06] <Aegir`> Davey, if it is not reading on boot up, try and get to the boot source selector menu. On my Acer its F12 and brings up Network boot, Cdrom, Floppy (Even though it doesnt have one) and HD
[07:06] <gautham> anybody in here
[07:06] <Aegir`> Thats usually the best solution. If not, it may be a bios setting
[07:06] <gautham> can u pls tell me how to change my screen?
[07:06] <Davey> Aegir`: oh, even windows can't see the contents of the CD
[07:07] <hitchhiker> josh_<  http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=2158
[07:07] <Aegir`> Davey, Then the CD was burnt crappilly. Wipe the CDRW and try again ;)
[07:07] <nickrud> gautham, do you know what kind of video card you have?
[07:07] <nickrud> if not, we'll show you how to find out
[07:07] <gautham> nickrud, yes intel i810 device
[07:08] <nickrud> ah, I've done that one :)
[07:08] <_jeramy> Can someone with wireless post a couple of things here for me?
[07:08] <gautham> nickrud, pls tell me
[07:08] <hitchhiker> gautham<  hehe
[07:08] <josh_> cafuego: I know the program its telling me to get. Java runtime environment
[07:08] <nickrud> ok, we're gonna do 3 things: set up the memory, configure the monitor, and set the screen resolutions
[07:08] <Davey> Aegir`: but windows on the machine it was burned on can see it
[07:08] <gautham> nickrud, ok go ahead
[07:08] <raz> Could anyone give me a hand w/ SMEG ?
[07:09] <hitchhiker> josh_<  intall jre
[07:09] <Aegir`> Davey, Hmmm. Dont know really.
[07:09] <nickrud> in a terminal, do cd /etc/X11
[07:09] <nickrud> then, sudo nano xorg.conf
[07:09] <thoreauputic> hitchhiker: that's what he's ben trying to do for the last hour
[07:09] <cafuego> josh_: You just installed jre 1.5.02
[07:10] <hitchhiker> josh_<  why?
[07:10] <cafuego> hitchhiker: he did. he's got an old (non-pakaged?) 1.4.2 interfering with it.
[07:10] <josh_> cafuego: install: too few argumentsTry `install --help' for more information.
[07:10] <gautham> nickrud, yes done
[07:10] <hitchhiker> jre 1.4.2 is ok. I am sure. hehe
[07:10] <cafuego> hitchhiker: No, because hios 1.4.2 install has no mozilla plugin.
[07:10] <josh_> cafuego: says I dont have it. Any ideas on that?
[07:11] <gautham> nickrud, im in the editor
[07:11] <hitchhiker> intasll jre...
[07:11] <gautham> nickrud, what next?
[07:11] <nickrud> ok, scroll down till you get to i810 under device
[07:11] <hitchhiker> ok ok
[07:11] <gautham> nickrud, got it
[07:11] <cafuego> josh_: run 'which java'
[07:11] <josh_> cafuego: it had the button to click on to install the plugin needed and it comes up with the program that clearly says "Java Runtime Environment"
[07:11] <thoreauputic> hitchhiker: leave it to cafuego: you are jumping in in the middle
[07:11] <hitchhiker> install jre 1.4.2_0x and copy files
[07:12] <cafuego> hitchhiker: He has jre 1.5.0 update 02 installed already
[07:12] <thoreauputic> hitchhiker: umm... silence is golden
[07:12] <josh_> cafuego: /usr/bin/java
[07:12] <hitchhiker> 1.5.0 sucks
[07:12] <Davey> man, is ubuntuforums.com working?
[07:12] <gautham> nickrud,  it sayd i810 device.................PCI bus ID 0:2:0
[07:12] <cafuego> hitchhiker: Ok, YOU help him then.
[07:12] <cafuego> josh_: hitchhiker is going to help you fix the problem now.
[07:12] <hitchhiker> 1.4.2_08 sucks
[07:13] <hitchhiker> 1.4.2_04 is ok
[07:13] <josh_> cafuego: what? no
[07:13] <Davey> .org, whatever
[07:13] <gautham> nickrud, what next?
[07:13] <nickrud> create a line under the line that has i810 in it
[07:13] <hitchhiker> ^_^
[07:13] <raz> Could anyone give me a hand w/ SMEG ?
[07:13] <josh_> cafuego: I'm not doing that all over again because he doesn't like the program version
[07:13] <gautham> nickrud, done
[07:13] <nickrud> hitchhiker, I've done this twice, if you have help
[07:14] <cafuego> josh_: Ok then. '/usr/bin/java -version'
[07:14] <hitchhiker> I just do this in my firefox... it works
[07:14] <hitchhiker> java ok ^_^
[07:14] <hitchhiker> flash ok ^_^
[07:14] <josh_> cafuego: java version "1.4.2"
[07:14] <nickrud> ok, type "Options" "VideoRam" 32768
[07:14] <thoreauputic> hitchhiker: not to be rude, but please but out: you are just complicating the situation
[07:15] <ra21vi> do anybody know how to change the resolution>
[07:15] <hitchhiker> ox players ok ^_^
[07:15] <ra21vi> screen resolution
[07:15] <cafuego> josh_: 'ls -l /usr/bin/java'
[07:15] <gautham> nickrud, i shud write type also?
[07:15] <user915> I hate being a newbie.
[07:15] <hitchhiker> auto lunch ok ...
[07:15] <nickrud> gautham, :)
[07:15] <gautham> nickrud, dude bear with me im a newbied
[07:15] <josh_> cafuego: lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 22 2005-05-27 21:58 /usr/bin/java -> /etc/alternatives/java
[07:16] <nickrud> no problem, it's only an editor, and we can always get back to where we started
[07:16] <cafuego> josh_: 'ls -l /etc/aternatives/java'
[07:16] <Davey> is there a netinstall for ubuntu?
[07:16] <hajuu> Ok...
[07:16] <hajuu> So uhm
[07:16] <josh_> cafuego: ls: /etc/aternatives/java: No such file or directory
[07:17] <hajuu> I got that console dialer working
[07:17] <hajuu> pon
[07:17] <hajuu> But
[07:17] <cafuego> josh_: typo, you forgot an 'l'
[07:17] <nickrud> gautham, scroll down to where you see generic monitor
[07:17] <hajuu> no programs in my gui can access it
[07:17] <hajuu> Why might that be?
[07:17] <nickrud> gautham, do you have the book for your monitor?
[07:17] <segphault> ok, I've pretty much ascertained that LIRC doesn't work with USB devices on Ubuntu. Anybody out there who has been able to do it?
[07:17] <cafuego> Davey: You can use the debian netinst and edit sources.list halfway through ;-)
[07:17] <hajuu> infact.. NOTHING can access it
[07:17] <hajuu> Full stop
[07:17] <thoreauputic> hajuu: you can make a launcher for the command
[07:17] <Davey> cafuego....
[07:18] <hajuu> thoreauputic, It seems that the connection is dead
[07:18] <nickrud> cafuego, :)
[07:18] <hajuu> I cant even ping
[07:18] <gautham> nickrud, i finished typing
[07:18] <josh_> cafuego: lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 30 2005-05-27 23:58 /etc/alternatives/java -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/bin/java
[07:18] <thoreauputic> hajuu: ah, i see
[07:18] <gautham> nickrud, i dont have
[07:18] <Davey> I'm about to just say "Fuck linux", it shouldn't take me 8hrs to find an OS to install, nevermind install it :/
[07:18] <cafuego> Davey: Don't attempt that if you're not an advanced user, though.
[07:18] <gautham> nickrud, but i knw my monitor name
[07:18] <thoreauputic> hajuu: does it dial?
[07:18] <hajuu> yeah and it maintains a connection
[07:18] <Davey> cafuego: oh, I'm quite profecient in linux, I'm just lazy ;)
[07:18] <nickrud> gautham, give me the manufacturer and exact model
[07:18] <hajuu> I can see by the lights on my modem
[07:18] <cafuego> Davey: it's not Linux fault your burner or cd is dumb. it works fine for millions of others.
[07:19] <hajuu> but ifconfig shows nothing is being transfered
[07:19] <thoreauputic> hajuu: but you can't ping anything?
[07:19] <cafuego> josh_: 'dpkg -S /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/bin/java'
[07:19] <hajuu> thoreauputic, exactly.
[07:19] <thoreauputic> hajuu: do you have nameservers in your /etc/resolv.conf file?
[07:19] <josh_> cafuego: dpkg: /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/bin/java not found.
[07:19] <gautham> nickrud, SAMSUNG syncmaster
[07:20] <cafuego> josh_: arrgh. 'ls -l /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/bin/java'
[07:20] <gautham> nickrud, thats all i knw
[07:20] <Davey> cafuego: sure it is :P
[07:20] <nickrud> gautham, you'll need to look at the back
[07:20] <user915> Anyone installed the mplayer plugin for FireFox?
[07:20] <hajuu> yeah I have two which are like: nameserver <ip>
[07:20] <josh_> cafuego: -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 2826 2005-04-03 10:39 /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/bin/java
[07:20] <nickrud> gautham, syncmaster something
[07:20] <raz> ubuntuforums.org == down?
[07:20] <dr_willis> user915,  im useing it - it seems to work fine for me.
[07:20] <cafuego> josh_: Ok. Tht file isn't known to the package system. Do you have any idea how it got onto your system?
[07:21] <thoreauputic> hajuu: can you ping IPs ? like say, "ping 216.239.39.99
[07:21] <josh_> cafuego: um...what?
[07:21] <user915> It's because I'm trying to configure the mplayer plugin but it's giving me this error about c++ not being able to create something.
[07:21] <joeinspirit> Recommendations on Ram to Swap size ratio?
[07:21] <bigern|fswebhost> i installed webmin and ii wont let me login using my username and password
[07:21] <hajuu> I didnt even try.. I just tried to ping google.
[07:21] <cafuego> josh_: Do you know how '/usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/bin/java' got onto your system?
[07:21] <bigern|fswebhost> what am i missing
[07:21] <hajuu> I'll be back shortly
[07:21] <hajuu> gonna try that
[07:21] <gautham> nickrud, 793DF
[07:21] <josh_> cafuego: no, what is it?
[07:21] <gautham> nickrud, 793DF
[07:21] <nickrud> gautham, ok, wait
[07:22] <cafuego> josh_: it's something that shouldn't really be there.
[07:22] <thoreauputic> hajuu: that's the google IP{ (or one of them) If you can ping IPs and not names like google.com, you have a DNS problem
[07:22] <james__> Does using LVM (linux volume management) affect hard drive performance, at all?
[07:22] <josh_> cafuego: well beyond installing the smart updates, and two games and Konqueror I haven't installed anything
[07:22] <elric> are audigy sound devices supported by Ubuntu? i get Synth devices: NOT ENABLED in my sound config
[07:22] <wolfmanjake> joeinspirit: double the swap that you have ram
[07:22] <cafuego> josh_: What did it run before you installed Ubuntu?
[07:23] <josh_> cafuego: SuSE 9.2
[07:23] <hitchhiker> ...
[07:23] <cafuego> josh_: Did you rease the disk before reinstalling?
[07:23] <maxy_noob> crimsun, I figured it out, with no little help from you
[07:23] <cafuego> erase even
[07:23] <maxy_noob> my home network lives!!!!
[07:23] <josh_> cafuego: yes
[07:23] <maxy_noob> woohooo
[07:23] <nickrud> gautham, do you have a line inside section monitor that starts with HorizSync
[07:23] <cafuego> josh_: Ghhrm.
[07:23] <gautham> nickrud, just a sec
[07:24] <cafuego> josh_: ok, we'll use a hammer then. 'sudo ln -sf /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/java /etc/alternatives/java'
[07:24] <josh_> cafuego: I changed around all the sized for the boot and swap so I had to erase them all and repartition
[07:24] <gautham> nickrud, nope it says only Syncmaster
[07:24] <crimsun> maxy_noob: excellent.
[07:24] <gautham> nickrud, it says identifier:syncmaster
[07:25] <nickrud> gautham, I saw it
[07:25] <joeinspirit> Question: Is a swap partition 3 times the size of ram really neccessary?
[07:25] <josh_> cafuego: ok its back at the prompt
[07:25] <thoreauputic> joeinspirit: not usually
[07:25] <cafuego> josh_: 'java -version'
[07:25] <thoreauputic> joeinspirit: how much RAM do you have?
[07:25] <joeinspirit> 2 gig
[07:25] <paulproteus> (Heh.)
[07:25] <nickrud> gautham, ok, create a new line under DPMS
[07:25] <cafuego> joeinspirit: I'd stick to 1GB swap max under that.
[07:25] <gautham> nickrud, yes tell me pls
[07:26] <josh_> cafuego: java version "1.5.0_02"
[07:26] <thoreauputic> joeinspirit: heh- in that case 500MB or so should be more than ample
[07:26] <nickrud>  HorizSync 28-71
[07:26] <cafuego> josh_: good.
[07:26] <nickrud> gautham, see that? type it on the new line
[07:26] <joeinspirit> thoreauputic I was reading that it was good to always have plenty of swap
[07:26] <maxy_noob> crimsun, my guess is that I didn't have the DNS coordinates entered.
[07:26] <josh_> cafuego: ok, so then what?
[07:26] <gautham> nickrud, yes i will
[07:26] <cmatheson> i'm trying to compile my kernel, but i get this error: /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/../../../crt1.o: file not recognized: File format not recognized
[07:26] <cafuego> josh_: 'cd ~/.mozilla/plugins'
[07:27] <thoreauputic> joeinspirit: well, it depends what you are doing, but certainly a gig should be fine
[07:27] <cafuego> You don't want to find your system using 2GB of swap...
[07:27] <joeinspirit> thoreauputic ok, Just want to make sure I have enought suspend to disk, its a notebook
[07:27] <josh_> cafuego: bash: cd: /home/josh/.mozilla/plugins: No such file or directory
[07:27] <thoreauputic> joeinspirit: you have RAM coming out of your ears anyway ;)
[07:27] <cafuego> josh_: Ah ok, then you'll need 2Gb swap minimum
[07:27] <gautham> nickrud, done with it :)
[07:27] <nickrud> gautham, create another new line
[07:28] <josh_> cafuego: what?
[07:28] <gautham> nickrud, yes
[07:28] <cafuego> josh_: ls there a .firefox directory in your homedir?
[07:28] <cafuego> josh_: never mind, that was for joeinspirit
[07:28] <thoreauputic> joeinspirit: I think cafuego's remark was for you, not josh_
[07:28] <gautham> nickrud, go on
[07:28] <josh_> cafuego: no
[07:28] <joeinspirit> k
[07:28] <nickrud>  VertRefresh 50-160
[07:28] <nickrud> gautham, type that
[07:28] <cafuego> joeinspirit: The kernel wants enough space on swap (s2d) to fit ALL your ram.
[07:29] <cafuego> joeinspirit: Saving 2GB of data to swap and restoring it after resume will take for-bloody-ever though.
[07:29] <josh_> cafuego: its under mozilla
[07:29] <gautham> nickrud, done
[07:29] <cafuego> josh_: Is there a directory called 'plugins' ?
[07:29] <helios> hello
[07:29] <nickrud> gautham, now, scroll down till you see section screen
[07:29] <hitchhiker> josh_<  in ~/.mozilla
[07:29] <josh_> cafuego: no
[07:29] <joeinspirit> cafuego ok, ya. I wouldn't suspend to disk if I had much running. it would be hell
[07:29] <tbasten> how do i password protect a folder
[07:30] <Davey|Work> I hate doing this.
[07:30] <jalejo> hello
[07:30] <jalejo> my friends
[07:30] <Davey|Work> it will invariably fuck up on me
[07:30] <gautham> nickrud, yes
[07:30] <hitchhiker> josh_<  after installed jre
[07:30] <gautham> nickrud, i see it
[07:30] <josh_> cafuego: just firefox
[07:30] <|QuaD-> anyone using xen on breezy?
[07:30] <nickrud> gautham, you see rows of screen resolutions, right?
[07:30] <tbasten> how do i password protect a folder
[07:30] <cafuego> josh_: is there a plugins directory in the firefox directory?
[07:30] <jalejo> quien habla espaol
[07:30] <gautham> nickrud,  yes
[07:30] <josh_> cafuego: no
[07:31] <cafuego> tbasten: You make n encrypted loopback device with a password on it, thenmount it on that folder.
[07:31] <nickrud> gautham, how many resolutions to a line?
[07:31] <stuNNed> how do i get rip to mp3 support in soundjuicer?
[07:31] <hajuu> ok... Still no.. Can't ping IP's.. Cant ping URL's... No GUI program can access the connection...
[07:31] <Davey|Work> anyone know how long it might take to flash a drive? How long before I decide it crashed? :)
[07:31] <Cybermagellan> If anyone wants free hosting please feel free to visit http://hosting.cybermagellan.com
[07:31] <josh_> cafuego: just cache, chrome, extensions, search
[07:31] <jeff25> how difficult is it to get wireless working on a laptop PCMCIA card?
[07:31] <helios> would anyone have free time to help me with my home network?
[07:31] <thoreauputic> josh_: your plugins dir should be under .mozilla ( .mozilla/plugins/
[07:31] <gautham> nickrud, i cudnt quite get u
[07:31] <cafuego> josh_: Ok. 'ln -sf /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins'
[07:32] <hitchhiker> cafuego<  hehe that's too old...
[07:32] <nickrud> gautham, what's the hightest and lowest resolutions you see?
[07:32] <hajuu> any more ideas? heh
[07:32] <cafuego> josh_: Oh, put 'sudo' in front of that
[07:32] <nickrud> gautham, different question :)
[07:32] <liable> jeff25: shouldn't be a prob if its supported
[07:32] <josh_> cafuego: ok its back to the prompt
[07:32] <gautham> nickrud, there r so many resolutions like 1280*1024 and 640*480
[07:32] <tbasten> cafuego, how do i do that?
[07:33] <nickrud> gautham, good, we're almost done
[07:33] <thoreauputic> hajuu: try reconfiguring with pppconfig and choosing "dynamic"
[07:33] <cafuego> josh_: Try your web browser for java support
[07:33] <gautham> nickrud, it also shows 800*600
[07:33] <nickrud> good
[07:33] <cafuego> tbasten: it's non-trivial.
[07:33] <gautham> nickrud, what next?
[07:33] <gautham> nickrud, :)
[07:33] <hajuu> Could it also be my Authentication method? should that be set to PAP?
[07:33] <nickrud> now, press control-x and when it asks you to save, say yes
[07:33] <cafuego> tbasten: You're probably better of simply encrypting your secure data with gnupg.
[07:33] <josh_> cafuego: says I need java
[07:33] <cafuego> josh_: arrrgggghhh
[07:34] <cafuego> josh_: Which browser are you using?
[07:34] <thoreauputic> hajuu: hajuu possible - pap should work with most ISPs
[07:34] <josh_> cafuego: firefox
[07:34] <hajuu> should I disable defaultroute?
[07:34] <thoreauputic> hajuu: no I don't think so
[07:34] <hajuu> mmkay
[07:35] <gautham> nickrud, i said ctrl-x and said Y and pressed enter,it returned to root mode now
[07:35] <josh_> cafuego: yeah...I feel the same way
[07:35] <thoreauputic> hajuu: if you have a normal dialup you should leave most of the defaults alone
[07:35] <gautham> nickrud,  correct?
[07:35] <raz> Could anyone give me a hand w/ SMEG ?
[07:35] <hajuu> when it asks me for the ip of my primary nameserver, what should I put in?
[07:35] <nickrud> gautham, you're in a root terminal?
[07:35] <thoreauputic> hajuu: yes, put it in
[07:35] <gautham> nickrud, yes
[07:35] <Yoshimitsu> i got mplayer installed and the gui starts and it looks like its running fine however when i try to play anything with it it crashes and at startup it gives me this error Failed to open /home/acidwolf< anyone have any ideas what might need tweaking
[07:35] <helios> sorry for asking again: is there anyone who has free time to help me with my home network?
[07:35] <nickrud> gautham, close it, and open a regular one
[07:35] <thoreauputic> hajuu: and add the second one as well if you have it
[07:35] <hajuu> thoreauputic, I dont know what it is....
[07:35] <gautham> nickrud, ok
[07:36] <tbasten> cafuego, and how do i encryth with gnupg
[07:36] <hajuu> I dont know what either of them are.. my ISP never told me
[07:36] <gautham> nickrud, done
[07:36] <josh_> cafuego: Ubuntu makes me want to kill it...but SuSE doesn't allow lefthanded people to use their OS it seems, and they also are not compatible with my printer or my audio
[07:36] <cafuego> tbasten: 'man gnupg'
[07:36] <nickrud> gautham, now type gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:36] <tbasten> i have, not really helpful
[07:36] <thoreauputic> hajuu: ask your ISP
[07:36] <mr> Any Ubuntu support available here?
[07:36] <thoreauputic> hajuu: they should be able to tell you your nameservers
[07:36] <nickrud> gautham, I want you to paste that to http://pastebin.com, and give me the link so I can look at it.
[07:37] <cafuego> josh_: There is something weird going on your your machine. It has stuff on it that shouldn't be there, as far as I can tell.
[07:37] <nickrud> gautham, ok?
[07:37] <cafuego> josh_: java in fiorefox works fine on my box, which essentally has the same config.
[07:37] <josh_> cafuego: you're telling me, Linux seems to make my computer posessed.
[07:37] <gautham> nick
[07:37] <gautham> nickrud, ok
[07:37] <hajuu> ah yes.. found it
[07:37] <josh_> cafuego: but Windows doesn't allow me to use java rooms or IRC
[07:38] <mr> Has anyone made https work ?
[07:38] <thoreauputic> hajuu: you aren't behind a NAT or firewall, are you?
[07:38] <hajuu> I dont.. belive so
[07:38] <josh_> -shakes a fist at his ZoneAlarm firewall for blocking everything even things he wants to use-
[07:39] <thoreauputic> hajuu: you would probably know, if you were :)
[07:39] <hajuu> yeah... all ports seem available when I dial through the gui
[07:39] <gautham> nickrud, i pasted it and sent it
[07:39] <nickrud> gautham, so, tell me the link ;)
[07:39] <hajuu> One more thing
[07:40] <subxero> I managed to compile the lirc_serial module for LIRC. That's as far as I can get. When I "sudo modprobe lirc_serial" it gives me "Segmentation fault." I don't have a clue what to do now. Could someone please help me?
[07:40] <hajuu> I take it that with pppconfig, when I edit my connection, that every time I reopen pppconfig it shows my password as "replace_with_password" to hide my password, or what? coz if it isnt.. then it isnt saving it for some reason
[07:40] <gautham> nickrud, http://pastebin.com/291132
[07:41] <liable> helios: just ask, someone will help if they can
[07:41] <gautham> nickrud, correct?
[07:41] <thoreauputic> hajuu: I don't follow
[07:42] <gautham> nickrud, any problem?
[07:42] <nickrud> gautham, I told you one wrong thing: where you put "Options" "VideoRam", we need to remove the "'s around Options :)
[07:42] <Tezkah> I managed to mess up my laptop!
[07:42] <nickrud> so, close gedit
[07:42] <Tezkah> by forgetting to plug it in
[07:42] <Tezkah> leaving it
[07:42] <qiqo> guys
[07:42] <thoreauputic> hajuu: possibly you are failing to save the config before exiting pppconfig
[07:42] <Tezkah> and not having any power options enabled
[07:42] <qiqo> hello
[07:42] <hajuu> thoreauputic, Every time I save and exit pppconfig, and reopen and  look at a connection ive created, the password box always shows "replace_with_password"... Is that just to hide my password from any potential snoops, or is it not saving my password?
[07:42] <hajuu> No, I definately save it.
[07:42] <gautham> nickrud, what to do?
[07:42] <qiqo> is mysqladmin compatible with ubuntu?
[07:43] <nickrud> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:43] <gautham> nickrud, in root?
[07:43] <thoreauputic> hajuu: I really don't know - I had no problems with it
[07:43] <nickrud> gautham, no, right there in that terminal. Don't use a root terminal unless you absolutely must
[07:43] <gautham> nickrud, ok
[07:44] <helios> thanks, liable. i have two machines running ubuntu under the same workgroup. but when i go to places->network servers, i don't see the other computers. does anyone have any suggestions?
[07:44] <gautham> nickrud, yep donw
[07:44] <thoreauputic> hajuu: if pppconfig won't do it for you, try installing gnome-ppp
[07:44] <cdonges> what can I use to convert avi to mpg and then put them on a dvd with basic menus?
[07:44] <nickrud> gautham, now save the file
[07:45] <gautham> nickrud, i shud remove s frm there or what?
[07:45] <gautham> nickrud, u told to remove s from options rite?
[07:45] <Yoshimitsu> is it possible that i shouldnt have put mplayer together as root and this is perhaps why mplayer crashes when i try to play something and im not root
[07:45] <nickrud> gautham, no, just the quote mark in front of option and after it
[07:46] <nickrud> gautham, it should look like Options "VideoRam" 32768
[07:46] <gautham> nickrud,  ok :)
[07:46] <nickrud> gautham, while'll were here one more question.
[07:46] <nickrud> gautham, how much memory in the machine?
[07:46] <helios> thanks anyway. bye
[07:47] <gautham> nickrud, u mean the whole RAM?
[07:47] <nickrud> gautham, yes
[07:47] <gautham> nickrud, my RAM is 512MB
[07:47] <hajuu> mmkay... now that connection is working
[07:47] <hajuu> :D
[07:47] <nickrud> ok, we're done
[07:47] <vince_> my laptop doesn't seem to understand suspend, but in windows hybernation works fine. do I need to do something additional? please, help
[07:47] <gautham> nickrud, thats it?
[07:47] <nickrud> save the file
[07:47] <thoreauputic> hajuu: all OK then?
[07:47] <gautham> nickrud, saved
[07:47] <hajuu> thoreauputic, just testing the speed
[07:47] <nickrud> ok, now two more steps
[07:47] <Yoshimitsu> fixed it
[07:47] <Yoshimitsu> :D
[07:47] <thoreauputic> hajuu: OK
[07:48] <gautham> nickrud,  tell me
[07:48] <nickrud> after you log out, press control-alt-backspace. That's it.
[07:48] <jeff25> liable: I had to do some unsupported compiling but it works
[07:48] <Madpilot> Odd config question: is there a way to get Ubuntu to start w/ NumLock ON, rather than off?
[07:48] <gautham> nickrud, better i restart?
[07:48] <thoreauputic> hajuu: what made the difference, by the way?
[07:48] <nickrud> gautham, no, no restart needed.
[07:48] <liable> jeff25: sweet
[07:48] <gautham> nickrud, i ahve 1 more small question if u cud answer
[07:48] <hajuu> thoreauputic, I think it was the nameservers
[07:48] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: install numlockx, i think
[07:48] <nickrud> gautham, sure
[07:48] <hajuu> changing to static
[07:49] <thoreauputic> hajuu: right
[07:49] <gautham> nickrud,  i have this java plugin downloaded for firefox ending with .bin,how do i execute it?
[07:49] <nickrud> gautham, lol
[07:49] <thoreauputic> hajuu: speed OK ?
[07:49] <jeff25> one thing that pisses me off is that I can't get the gnome-terminal to read /etc/profile when it runs
[07:49] <jeff25> or ~/.bash_profile
[07:49] <hajuu> Downloading at 4-5k sec... Very nice
[07:49] <hajuu> thanks so much
[07:49] <gautham> nickrud, is it so silly?
[07:49] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: thnx. found that in Syn. any config needed, or do I just install it?
[07:49] <thoreauputic> hajuu: cool :)
[07:50] <nickrud> gautham, not silly
[07:50] <gautham> nickrud, im ashamed to be a newbie
[07:50] <nickrud> needed
[07:50] <xMaximex> metacity is the wm in gnome right ?
[07:50] <gautham> nickrud, :(
[07:50] <hajuu> I wonder why the gui config is so lacking for dialup...
[07:50] <hitchhiker> mm
[07:50] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: I don't know :) I just picked up that bit of info somewhere
[07:50] <nickrud> gautham, first, do the logout and ctrl-alt-bksp
[07:50] <hitchhiker> kill x
[07:50] <gautham> nickrud, yes i will be here
[07:50] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: I think there's something on the wiki about it
[07:50] <jeff25> anyone here have kde and gnome on the same system ?
[07:50] <thoreauputic> jeff25: yes
[07:50] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: OK, will have to play with it, and check the wiki... :)
[07:51] <jeff25> thoreauputic: I already have gnome installed... how would I got about installing kde ?
[07:51] <hajuu> apt-get install kde ?
[07:51] <hajuu> hehe
[07:51] <thoreauputic> jeff25: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:51] <jeff25> thoreauputic: ah
[07:51] <jeff25> thoreauputic: that's it?
[07:51] <jeff25> thoreauputic: sweet!
[07:51] <thoreauputic> jeff25: it's a metapackage that will pull in what you need
[07:52] <jeff25> thoreauputic: how do I find a list of meta packages?
[07:52] <som1> apt-cache search
[07:52] <thoreauputic> jeff25: well, you don't really
[07:52] <jeff25> oh
[07:52] <som1> but i dunno what mean meta packages.
[07:52] <som1> so
[07:52] <som1> ;(
[07:52] <thoreauputic> jeff25: apt-cache search <keyword>
[07:52] <rg58sma> hi
[07:52] <rg58sma> hi
[07:52] <jeff25> thoreauputic: are there any other meta packages for WMs you know of?
[07:53] <rg58sma> how to  create a shotcut
[07:53] <thoreauputic> jeff25: yes, eg  "xfce4"
[07:53] <george_> well it looks like Intervideo is going to solve the whole legal dvd problem for linux in the US....they say they are going to produce LinDVD which will be legal on linux in the US for about $29
[07:54] <jeff25> thoreauputic: and since I now have kde and gnome on the same desktop, what login manager will run ? kdm or gdm ?
[07:54] <liable> jeff25: doesnt matter
[07:54] <thoreauputic> jeff25: the post-install will ask which you want
[07:54] <george_> now that is all....i am buzzing off
[07:55] <hajuu> if when I do apt-get update it freezes on a particular server, should I just re-comment that server out in my server list and keep going?
[07:55] <jeff25> thoreauputic: ahh I see, thanks man
[07:55] <jeff25> thoreauputic: which one do you use?
[07:55] <Madpilot> he... wonder if "george_" works for Intervideo?
[07:55] <rg58sma> how to  create a shotcut???
[07:56] <thoreauputic> jeff25: I use gdm, but either will work
[07:56] <dr_willis> hmm.. depends on what you mean by shortcut rg58sma
[07:56] <subxero> Does *anyone* here know anything about LIRC? Anything at all?
[07:56] <dr_willis> subxero,  you mean that Infrared remote thinggie?
[07:56] <dr_willis> "THinggie" - how Technical :P
[07:56] <subxero> :-) Yes. It's a serious b*tch to install and get working.
[07:57] <hitchhiker> uh
[07:57] <som1> im trying to install my audio driver (sis7012) and it wants linux source directory
[07:57] <dr_willis> subxero,  never messed with it - sorry :P I got a remote for my Audigy2 sound card - but never used it either.
[07:57] <som1> where is it?
[07:57] <rg58sma> for example to aMule
[07:57] <rg58sma> and incoming of amule
[07:58] <dr_willis> rg58sma,  gnome calles them a "launcher"  to launch a program
[07:58] <gautham> nickrud, dude my sy got screwed up
[07:58] <rg58sma> yes
[07:58] <rg58sma> that
[07:58] <thoreauputic> som1: that card is supported by default ( I have one here that works fine)
[07:58] <gautham> nickrud, genome wudnt start
[07:58] <dr_willis> and you can just use 'ln -s' to make soft links to directories from one place to another. Or just add the dir to your "favorites' ocation in the file browser
[07:58] <thoreauputic> som1: you shouldn't need to install anything
[07:58] <gautham> nickrud, i had to delete those lines which we edited
[07:58] <som1> yes but i cant get a game works.. it doesnt say any error, it just freezes in the time it loads sound
[07:59] <gautham> nickrud, now it has started
[07:59] <hajuu> where is the apt-get sources list again?
[07:59] <subxero> soml: I, too, have an already-working SiS7012 card. If you're having sound problems, I found that switching most programs to use the eSound driver works.
[07:59] <som1> /etc/apt/sources.list i think
[07:59] <Aegir`> /etc/apt-get/sources.list
[07:59] <thoreauputic> som1: more likely an esd issue
[07:59] <Aegir`> /etc/apt most likely
[07:59] <nickrud> gautham, I wish I'd had you post the last change you made
[07:59] <som1> esd?
[07:59] <gautham> nickrud, :(
[07:59] <thoreauputic> eSound
[08:00] <nickrud> gautham, yeah
[08:00] <gautham> nickrud, i shud now again edit
[08:00] <gautham> nickrud,
[08:00] <nickrud> gautham, we'll just use the one on pastebin, then ask for a doublecheck
[08:00] <gautham> nickrud, ok
[08:00] <gautham> nickrud, pls do it
[08:00] <thoreauputic> som1: some games want to use oss, but need to use esd under ubuntu
[08:00] <gautham> nickrud, u want link?
[08:00] <nickrud> gautham, patience, I have it
[08:00] <som1> well
[08:01] <som1> how can i change it?
[08:01] <hajuu> One more question before I go... within the gui.. when it asks me for my password to run, say, the terminal as root.. I put in my password.. and it works fine.. but within the console.. if I try to login as root or su up to root... and enter the same password.. it doesnt work.. how can I rectify this?
[08:01] <thoreauputic> som1: another way is to use the howto on http://ubuntuguide.org - something like "fixing sound in gnome"
[08:01] <dr_willis> hajuu,  thats a ubuntu faq. :P they have loging in as root disbled for securty reasins.
[08:02] <hajuu> aw how gay
[08:02] <dr_willis> hajuu,  you can get things to the way otehr disrtos work with "sudo passwd"
[08:02] <hajuu> how can I enable it?
[08:02] <dr_willis> hajuu,  actually its trivial :P it is more secure in some ways..
[08:02] <crimsun> see the faq (topic)
[08:02] <glick> yo
[08:02] <dr_willis> faq covers this in some detail i think
[08:02] <cmatheson> any rather common problems w/ compiling kernels on ubuntu (i can't do anything w/ getting some stinking error)..
[08:02] <thoreauputic> som1: or run gnome-sound-properties
[08:03] <dr_willis> and yes - i alwyas put it back to normal.
[08:03] <nickrud> gautham, http://pastebin.com/291139
[08:03] <rg58sma> and incoming of amule
[08:03] <thoreauputic> som1: and play with the options
[08:03] <som1> okay
[08:03] <ech0_> if i want to remove gimp, ubuntu-desktop is required to be removed too, why is that? i just want to reinstall gimp, its broken. not ubuntu-desktop.
[08:03] <som1> is it normal that xmms doesnt play mp3?
[08:03] <gautham> nickrud, i shud edit it using those lines?
[08:03] <nickrud> and it would be appreciated that a few others looked.
[08:03] <crimsun> som1: that's not normal
[08:03] <dr_willis> rg58sma,  try right click and 'make link'
[08:03] <subxero> soml: XMMS needs to be switched to use the eSound driver if you haven't done so yet.
[08:03] <thoreauputic> som1: set xmms to use the esd output
[08:03] <crimsun> ech0_: ubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage that can be safely removed
[08:03] <Davey> CRAP! :(
[08:03] <som1> oh, ok
[08:04] <som1> thanks
[08:04] <ech0_> oh ok, good
[08:04] <Davey> the Flash failed and now my laptop won't even boot to windows :/
[08:04] <som1> :))
[08:04] <gautham> nickrud, shall i edit it again?
[08:04] <dr_willis> Davey,  UGH oh!
[08:04] <Davey> thanks for your input cafuego
[08:04] <liable> Davey: flash bios?
[08:04] <Davey> dr_willis: yup, and its a british laptop, can't get parts here in the US :/
[08:04] <holycow> allrighty, i'm thikning that google will one day be hailed as one of humanity's greatest inventions
[08:04] <Davey> liable: CD
[08:04] <Davey> I can get the Windows boot menu, but it won't boot
[08:05] <jeff25> what's the best audio player for ubuntu
[08:05] <nickrud> crimsun, could you take a quick look at http://pastebin.com/291139, it's an xorg for an i810
[08:05] <holycow> appearently i have the very latest atheros chip not supported by the current hal version
[08:05] <Davey> and without a CD drive I have no way to load anything else on it :/
[08:05] <holycow> who would know this shit without google?
[08:05] <holycow> *sheesh*
[08:05] <hajuu> Jeff25: Same as for every other OS... VLC
[08:05] <hajuu> hehe
[08:05] <jeff25> Davey: are you trying to install with a CD?
[08:05] <hajuu> It's great
[08:05] <Davey> jeff25: I can't, I now have no CD drive
[08:05] <jeff25> Davey: I installed using pxeboot
[08:05] <crimsun> nickrud: what're the errors?
[08:06] <nickrud> crimsun, hopefully none
[08:06] <Davey> jeff25: the flash of the CD drives bios or whatever that crap is called failed half way through, the drive is dead
[08:06] <crimsun> looks good for a once-over
[08:06] <nickrud> thanks
[08:06] <gautham> nickrud, now what?
[08:06] <hajuu> "If you wish to use the root account in more traditional UNIX fashion, you can set the root password by typing sudo passwd root. This will allow you to use su or login as root on the console." -- FAQ.
[08:06] <hajuu> Well thats rather simple
[08:06] <hajuu> haha
[08:06] <Davey> jeff25: network install?
[08:06] <jeff25> Davey: yeah
[08:06] <jeff25> Davey: does your support support network booting?
[08:07] <bigern|fswebhost> WHATS A GOOD FREEWARE WEBSERVER INSTEAD OF WEBMIN FOR UBUNTU
[08:07] <jeff25> *system support
[08:07] <bigern|fswebhost> whoops
[08:07] <bigern|fswebhost> stupid caps
[08:07] <dr_willis> bigern|fswebhost,  webmin is not a web server.
[08:07] <Davey> jeff25: I have.. no idea
[08:07] <nate__> bigern|fswebhost: apache?
[08:07] <nickrud> gautham, get that link I posted, and paste it into a new gedit
[08:07] <jeff25> Davey: it will be in the PC bios menu if it does
[08:07] <bigern|fswebhost> i meant control panel
[08:07] <Davey> jeff25: then no
[08:07] <dr_willis> i find webmin to be very well done myself.
[08:07] <hitchhiker> webmin = tool for dummies
[08:07] <jeff25> Davey: :/
[08:07] <gautham> nickrud, and save it as?
[08:07] <psychonate> What exactly is the difference between beep-media-player and xmms?
[08:07] <nickrud> xorg.new
[08:07] <gautham> nickrud, ok
[08:07] <nate__> bigern|fswebhost: use apache and manually configure it, its worth it
[08:07] <crimsun> psychonate: b-m-p uses gtk2; the latter uses gtk1
[08:08] <holycow> bigern|fswebhost, webserver? webmin isn't a webserver
[08:08] <jeff25> thoreauputic: what WMs do you have installed
[08:08] <nickrud> gautham, where'd you save it :)
[08:08] <psychonate> doesn't sound like anything major
[08:08] <holycow> webmin is an app that runs on apache, apache is the webserver
[08:08] <bigern|fswebhost> i know, i meant control panel,
[08:08] <crimsun> psychonate: perhaps not at first...
[08:08] <thoreauputic> jeff25: xfce4, KDE, gnome, fluxbox
[08:08] <dr_willis> hmm webmin does not run on apache as far as i know.
[08:08] <dr_willis> it is sort of its own mini-web server in that respect.
[08:08] <nate__> bigern|fswebhost: learn to configure it without webmin, you'll learn more
[08:08] <holycow> bigern|fswebhost, control panel fo rwhat?
[08:08] <nickrud> gautham, on your desktop?
[08:08] <jeff25> thoreauputic: yeah I'm going to install fluxbox right now
[08:09] <hitchhiker> fluxbox \o/
[08:09] <thoreauputic> jeff25: note that the hoary fluxbox has issues
[08:09] <holycow> bigern|fswebhost, gnome and kde come with their own collections of apps that constitute a 'control panel' but ...
[08:09] <gautham> nickrud, where to save?
[08:09] <nickrud> gautham, home
[08:09] <bigern|fswebhost> im running a ubuntu server here at home for a test and i was lookin for a 'cpanel' type control panel
[08:09] <jeff25> thoreauputic: which one did you install
[08:09] <thoreauputic> jeff25: it was compiled with the wrong options
[08:09] <holycow> bigern|fswebhost, it sounds like you are looking for control panel apps for all the other shit?
[08:09] <gautham> nickrud, done
[08:09] <thoreauputic> jeff25: I compiled my own
[08:09] <nickrud> gautham, now close gedit
[08:09] <jeff25> thoreauputic: apt-build ?
[08:09] <holycow> bigern|fswebhost, for which apps/services?
[08:09] <gautham> nickrud, done
[08:09] <thoreauputic> jeff25: no
[08:09] <som1> root@lirom:/ # cp /etc/sound/esd.conf /etc/esound/esd.conf_backup
[08:09] <som1> cp: cannot stat `/etc/sound/esd.conf': No such file or directory
[08:09] <bigern|fswebhost> services
[08:09] <som1> is that normal?
[08:10] <thoreauputic> jeff25: I used some source I already had
[08:10] <jeff25> thoreauputic: just downloaded to /usr/src/ and make; make install ?
[08:10] <nickrud> gautham, type ls xorg.new
[08:10] <thoreauputic> jeff25: not quite :)
[08:10] <nickrud> gautham, do you see it?
[08:10] <bigern|fswebhost> ive looked all thru the package mngr
[08:10] <som1> btw sound worked after i did killall esd :) but really low quality
[08:10] <som1> oh its on full volume
[08:10] <Amaranth> jeff25: compiling your own kernel isn't exactly simple
[08:10] <thoreauputic> jeff25: you will need xlibs-dev, and an option in ./configure
[08:10] <Amaranth> jeff25: make sure you really need to do it
[08:10] <holycow> bigern|fswebhost, you aren't reading what i'm writing
[08:10] <jeff25> Amaranth: it's not that bad.  I ran gentoo for years
[08:10] <holycow> WHATS services?
[08:10] <nickrud> gautham, "it" being xorg.new being printed in the terminal
[08:10] <gautham> nickrud, yes i can see xorg.new
[08:10] <nate__> bigern|fswebhost: whats wrong with using webmin?
[08:11] <holycow> bigern|fswebhost, this isn't windows, in linux all apps are expected to basically stand on their own and as such there is no UNIVERSAL SERVICES control panel
[08:11] <bigern|fswebhost> well, onthis system i just installed it wont log me in
[08:11] <psychonate> hmm, I don't think a FLAC plugin is included with beep mp
[08:11] <nickrud> gautham, ok, then type   cp xorg.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:11] <holycow> bigern|fswebhost, if you want a universal gui, try the command line, it works on everythign, everywhere, for all applications
[08:11] <jeff25> thoreauputic: hrm... not sure if I've got xlibs-dev installed
[08:12] <holycow> bigern|fswebhost, start with what apps you need to control, refer to their manuals, check up on the /etc dir for configuration, and learn to use them
[08:12] <nate__> bigern|fswebhost: figure out why its not working.  Do you have apache installed?  is there a default user it creates?
[08:12] <gautham> nickrud, says cannot create regular file,permission denied
[08:12] <nate__> bigern|fswebhost: do you need to run it as root?
[08:12] <subxero> soml: I think someone left out an e. Just a guess - try /etc/esound/esd.conf instead of .../sound/...
[08:12] <holycow> bigern|fswebhost, there will never be one central admin section FOR EVERYTHING, only the basic things, because it makes no sense
[08:12] <bigern|fswebhost> yeah i know holycow just tring to see if there is anything out there budiumeside vhcsand c
[08:12] <nickrud> gautham, my bad sudo cp xorg.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:12] <thoreauputic> jeff25: if you compile fluxbox, use --disable-xmb in the ./configure
[08:13] <thoreauputic> else you might have font problems and freezes
[08:13] <gautham> nickrud, yep done
[08:13] <holycow> bigern|fswebhost, *nod* not that i am aware ofat all, there was a project or two that are supposed to universally understand the various config file schemes ... don't remember the name and i think its a little too ambitious but what do i know
[08:13] <nickrud> gautham, ok, log out and ctl-alt-backspace
[08:13] <thoreauputic> jeff25: I also sugest using checkinstall rather than make install
[08:13] <thoreauputic> *suggest
[08:13] <gautham> nickrud, yes i will do it
[08:14] <ech0_> hey, in gnome, how do i change what application opens a certain extension?
[08:14] <jeff25> thoreauputic: hrm interesting
[08:14] <jeff25> thoreauputic: obviouslly doing it that way there is no uninstall method ?
[08:14] <bigern|fswebhost> ok, well, ill lok around and see if i can get webmin to work, thanx ya'll :D
[08:14] <thoreauputic> jeff25: I used --enable-kde and --enable-gnome as well (it's all in the README or INSTALL file)
[08:15] <thoreauputic> jeff25: if you use checkinstall it makes a deb
[08:15] <thoreauputic> so it's easy to uninstall
[08:15] <jeff25> thoreauputic: ah interesting
[08:16] <Echelon-H> Morning!
[08:16] <thoreauputic> jeff25: the important one is --disable-xmb (I had bery slow performance without that, and high CPU use)
[08:16] <thoreauputic> *very
[08:16] <Razor-X> neeed.....
[08:16] <Razor-X> salve....
[08:16] <Razor-X> *need
[08:17] <Razor-X> too much... derivation
[08:17] <nickrud> ech0, gnome checks the actual file type, not the extension, and to set it for a file type,
[08:17] <nickrud> ech0, right click a file of the right type, select properties and select the app in open with
[08:17] <ech0_> thanks
[08:18] <nickrud> ech0, although, the extensions usually are the same as the type :)
[08:18] <jeff25> thoreauputic: sweet thanks... I'm compiling it now
[08:18] <gautham> nickrud, nope dude i think i dont have good luck
[08:18] <gautham> nickrud, it says X-server cudnt start
[08:18] <jeff25> thoreauputic: what did you use as -prefix= ?
[08:18] <gautham> nickrud, i had to del those lines again
[08:19] <LoRz> hello has anybody used fetchyahoo?
[08:19] <thoreauputic> jeff25: by default, checkinstall puts everything in /usr/local
[08:19] <gautham> nickrud, thanx for the help,maybe its not solvable in my pc :(
[08:19] <thoreauputic> jeff25: so the binary lands in /usr/local/bin
[08:19] <jeff25> thoreauputic: right.
[08:20] <nickrud> gautham, open /var/log/Xorg.0.log in gedit, and paste it on pastebin.com
[08:20] <jeff25> thoreauputic: I was just wondering if you cahnged it from the default
[08:20] <hayden> when i run videos with totem the video and audio is out of sync, any ideas?
[08:20] <gautham> nickrud, ok ill do it
[08:20] <nickrud> gautham, that's where we see the error
[08:20] <thoreauputic> jeff25: no need: /usr/local/bin is in my $PATH
[08:20] <thoreauputic> and doesn't step on dpkg/apt 's toes :)
[08:21] <jeff25> yeah heh
[08:21] <FreezerX> Hi, I ve installed the Acrobat Reader from a gz file. Although the Acrobat Reader Plugin nppdf.so is in the mozilla plugin folder, pdf documents are downloaded but Firefox simply shows a blank site. Any idea how to fix it?
[08:21] <Echelon-H> How can I know my ver of linux?
[08:22] <jeff25> how in the world do I get gnome-terminal to read /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile when it opens?
[08:22] <FreezerX> Echelon-H, uname -a
[08:22] <Echelon-H> k
[08:22] <gautham> nickrud, done heres the link http://pastebin.com/291148
[08:23] <Echelon-H> How can I know which driver do I need from here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=28498&package_id=20448&release_id=144949
[08:23] <rg58sma> hi have a problema
[08:23] <thoreauputic> jeff25: BTW, if you make a start up script, use ~/.xsession, not .xinitrc (that way the default session in gdm will start fluxbox)
[08:23] <rg58sma> with my movies in avi
[08:23] <rg58sma> i dont have a sound
[08:23] <gautham> nickrud, saw that?
[08:24] <som1> only in avi rg58sma?
[08:24] <rg58sma> yes
[08:24] <rg58sma> on mpg
[08:24] <thoreauputic> jeff25: set gnome-terminal as a login shell
[08:24] <rg58sma> i think
[08:24] <nickrud> gautham, according to that, your X server started
[08:24] <rg58sma> but in gnome  i have sound
[08:24] <nickrud> gautham, ack, that was the good start,
[08:25] <nickrud> gautham, maybe your machine is weird
[08:25] <thoreauputic> jeff25: or source /etc/profile from .bashrc
[08:26] <gautham> nickrud, :(
[08:26] <gautham> nickrud, atleast tell me how to load this stupid java plugin
[08:26] <stuNNed> dang, why is soundjuicer only ripping at 1x
[08:26] <nickrud> gautham, do you have the bin already
[08:26] <rg58sma> but in gnome  i have sound
[08:26] <gautham> nickrud, i have em
[08:27] <nickrud> gautham, paste the filename you have here
[08:27] <psychonate> hmm, I downloaded a FLAC plugin for beepmp, but I can't seem to get it to work
[08:27] <gautham> nickrud, jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin
[08:28] <nickrud> gautham, you are in the directory where the jre is?
[08:28] <jeff25> thoreauputic: sweet thanks
[08:28] <thoreauputic> jeff25: you're welcome :)
[08:29] <gautham> nickrud, its in my desktop itself
[08:29] <gautham> nickrud, shall i go to terminal?
[08:29] <nickrud> gautham, yes
[08:29] <crimsun> psychonate: it hasn't finished being ported yet, so there are still spotty elements
[08:29] <gautham> nickrud, done
[08:29] <nickrud> cd Desktop
[08:29] <nickrud> gautham, cd Desktop
[08:30] <gautham> nickrud, done
[08:30] <gautham> i can see that file
[08:30] <glick> ubuntu has serious bugs
[08:30] <rg58sma> i dfont sound in my movies
[08:30] <glick> i cant run this system any longer
[08:30] <nickrud> gautham, I want you to type jre , then, without hitting the spacebar, press tab
[08:30] <rg58sma> and I use my tv out in nvidia
[08:31] <nickrud> gautham, see anything?
[08:31] <gautham> nickrud, i typed jre and pressed tab it gives a beep,nothing else
[08:31] <i386> anyone using a Apple Studio display CRT?
[08:31] <nickrud> gautham, something is wrong with your machine, then
[08:31] <nickrud> jre<tab>
[08:32] <gautham> nickrud, ?
[08:32] <nickrud> gautham, that's called tab completion, and it comes standard.
[08:32] <gautham> nickrud, i can see  desktop jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin
[08:32] <tbasten> How do i encrypt a folder so with a password it can only be accessed
[08:32] <nickrud> gautham, ls jre*
[08:33] <gautham> nickrud, i can see that file when i type
[08:33] <nickrud> gautham, my bad, it's late :)
[08:33] <rg58sma> i dfont sound in my movies
[08:33] <rg58sma> i dfont sound in my movies
[08:33] <rg58sma> i dfont sound in my movies
[08:33] <rg58sma> i dfont sound in my movies
[08:33] <nickrud> gautham ls jre<tab>
[08:33] <tbasten> shut up
[08:34] <nickrud> gautham, is should complete the filename for you
[08:34] <gautham> nickrud, yes when i say that it completes the filenam
[08:34] <gautham> nickrud, yes it does
[08:34] <rg58sma> i dfont sound in my movies
[08:35] <rg58sma> hi have a problema
[08:35] <nickrud> gautham, ok then type sudo apt-get install java-package && fakeroot make-jpkg jre<tab>
[08:35] <tbasten> rg58sma, google.com
[08:35] <thoreauputic> rg58sma: we saw the other fifty times, and we are none the wiser
[08:35] <stuNNed> thoreauputic: hi
[08:35] <tbasten> How do i encrypt a folder so with a password it can only be accessed
[08:35] <thoreauputic> hi stuNNed
[08:35] <nickrud> gautham, from sudo to the end, all one line
[08:35] <glick> hey does anyone know why my dns lookup keeps failing
[08:35] <glick> resulting in gnome not starting
[08:36] <glick> something out of the blue keeps screwing with my dns settings
[08:36] <LoRz> helow
[08:36] <LoRz> fuckers
[08:37] <tbasten> has anyone had much experience with gpg?
[08:37] <gautham> nickrud, yes done,this is the out put:Reading package lists... Done
[08:37] <gautham> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:37] <gautham> E: Couldn't find package java-package
[08:37] <gautham> nickrud, saw the output?
[08:38] <glick> yeah i can not use ubuntu too buggy for me
[08:39] <gautham> nickrud, i dont think i can easily setup even a small thing,such a pity on me
[08:39] <nickrud> gautham, yeah, you need to update your sources.list, but if we mess that up, nothing works.
[08:39] <nickrud> gautham, and I'm not sure I can walk you through it safely
[08:39] <gautham> nickrud, no problem
[08:39] <gautham> nickrud, any other way out?\
[08:39] <tbasten> Has anyone got much experience with gpg?
[08:39] <nickrud> gautham, none that I see
[08:40] <kadambi> rg58sma: edit /etc/esound/esd.conf
[08:40] <gautham> nickrud, no problem dude,u were with me,thanx a lot,ur help is appreciated with gratitude
[08:40] <stuNNed> tbasten: a lil bit
[08:40] <tbasten> stuNNed, i want to encrypt a folder so that only by a password u can access it
[08:40] <perrygeo> Anyone know how to install Hoary to the hard drive from the Live CD?
[08:41] <gautham> nickrud, ill try to figure it out,since im a newbie,maybe i can try something else,but anyways thnx
[08:41] <thoreauputic> perrygeo: not supported yet
[08:41] <stuNNed> tbasten: might want to try something like seahorse i like gpa better though imho
[08:41] <nickrud> gautham, luck.
[08:41] <rg58sma> [esd] 
[08:41] <rg58sma> auto_spawn=0
[08:41] <rg58sma> spawn_options=-terminate -nobeeps -as 5
[08:41] <rg58sma> spawn_wait_ms=100
[08:41] <rg58sma> # default options are used in spawned and non-spawned mode
[08:41] <rg58sma> default_options=
[08:41] <gautham> nickrud, dude u knw some website that can help me out with my commands
[08:41] <tbasten> :S
[08:41] <tbasten> spam
[08:41] <kadambi> [esd] 
[08:41] <kadambi> auto_spawn=0
[08:41] <kadambi> #spawn_options=
[08:41] <kadambi> spawn_wait_ms=100
[08:41] <kadambi> # default options are used in spawned and non-spawned mode
[08:41] <kadambi> default_options=-terminate -nobeeps -as 2
[08:42] <perrygeo> thoreauputic: thanks. I'm impressed with it anyhow ;-)
[08:42] <kadambi> try the above
[08:42] <gautham> nickrud, i need to learn basic commands including tar and stuff
[08:42] <rg58sma> what
[08:42] <perrygeo> thoreauputic: time to download the install CD...
[08:42] <Echelon-H> can anyone explain me what's WINE?
[08:42] <gautham> nickrud, anywhere i can find these commands? i need to learn a lot of basic commands,editing,copying,viewing,installing etc...
[08:42] <thoreauputic> kadambi, rg58sma Please don't paste inthe channel: use pastebin.ubuntu.com
[08:42] <nickrud> gautham, googe basic linux primer has tons of links
[08:43] <tbasten> stuNNed, what is seahorse?
[08:43] <nickrud> *google
[08:43] <rg58sma> ok
[08:43] <stuNNed> tbasten: they are frontends to gnupg
[08:43] <kadambi> sorry
[08:43] <hitchhiker> google is evil
[08:43] <gautham> nickrud, linux primer?
[08:43] <rg58sma> i'm sorry
[08:43] <glick> ubuntu is a nice idea but they have a long way to go
[08:43] <rg58sma> i change the file??
[08:43] <tbasten> stuNNed, ahh, ok. SO it is possible to do what i trying to do
[08:43] <kadambi> yes
[08:44] <stuNNed> tbasten: not really sure, haven't tried it
[08:44] <Enkidu> how do i shut down X and gnome so that only consoles are up?
[08:44] <tbasten> stuNNed, lol. Ok. Just trying to stop people looking at my p0rn stash :P
[08:44] <perrygeo> Echelon-H: WINE is a windows emulator.. it lets you run most windows applications in linux.
[08:45] <stuNNed> tbasten: ok lol
[08:45] <jeff25> what do you guys run as your WM
[08:45] <stuNNed> jeff25: default metacity
[08:45] <tbasten> gnome
[08:45] <tbasten> yeah Metacity
[08:46] <Echelon-H> perrygeo, is it good? I mean, what can I possibly do with it?
[08:46] <tbasten> jeff25, i had abit of a try at fluxbox, nice and fast but not my thing
[08:46] <rg58sma> and what are they then??
[08:46] <kadambi> rg58sma: did u get the sound ?
[08:46] <jdub> Enkidu: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:46] <jeff25> tbasten: yeah I like fluxbox... just seeing what new stuff is out
[08:47] <jeff25> gonna try metacity
[08:47] <Enkidu> jdub, thanks...how would i make a script named like endX that could do that?
[08:47] <rg58sma> NO
[08:47] <tbasten> jeff25, metacity is good for those who are sorta use to window
[08:47] <perrygeo> Echelon-H: Well say you've got a few applications that are only available for windows.
[08:47] <jdub> Enkidu: do you notwant gdm to start at all?
[08:47] <hitchhiker> somebody would tell you to try fvwm ...
[08:47] <tbasten> windows*
[08:48] <perrygeo> Echelon-H: you can run them in linux so you get the best of both worlds
[08:48] <Enkidu> jdub, no its fine, but i have a slow laptop so if i compile or something then i want it to use as few resources as possible sometimes
[08:48] <kadambi> rg58sma: with these im able to view movies with sound using mplayer
[08:48] <kadambi> rg58sma: what's the player ?
[08:48] <tbasten> Does anyone here used or know how to use trannset?
[08:48] <jeff25> I install metacity but it's not in my Sessions list at gdm login manager hrm
[08:49] <Echelon-H> perrygeo, is it also valid for games?
[08:49] <jdub> Enkidu: linux is smart enough to do the right thing for you
[08:49] <rg58sma> no
[08:49] <Enkidu> jdub ?
[08:49] <rg58sma> totem-xine
[08:49] <hitchhiker> games... go to xbox
[08:49] <rg58sma> where download mplayer
[08:49] <hitchhiker> best solution
[08:49] <thoreauputic> jeff25: metacity is the wm for gnome: it's installed by default
[08:49] <jeff25> oh lol
[08:50] <perrygeo> Echelon-H: I got Doom95 to work but I haven't tried anything modern. I just use it to run Microsoft Word, Filezilla, Photoshop.
[08:50] <rg58sma>   mplayer-nogui 1:1.0-pre7-0.0
[08:50] <rg58sma>   mplayer-k6 1:1.0-pre7-0.0
[08:50] <rg58sma>   mplayer-586 1:1.0-pre7-0.0
[08:50] <rg58sma>   mplayer-386 1:1.0-pre7-0.0
[08:50] <rg58sma>   mplayer-custom 1:1.0-pre5-0.6ubuntu1
[08:50] <idle-> How do I stop X and go into console mode? Will I have to go into single user mode init: 1 ?
[08:50] <rg58sma> what is the correct
[08:50] <Enkidu> Perrygeo: why not OOo?
[08:50] <radix> doom95!
[08:50] <radix> that still exists?
[08:50] <Enkidu>  if you have it ;)
[08:50] <thoreauputic> rg58sma: you've beebn told about pasting: please don't
[08:51] <glick> why is ubuntu breaking my dns ?
[08:51] <glick> anyone wanna tell me that?
[08:51] <hitchhiker> ?
[08:51] <Enkidu> idle-: just use ctrl-alt-f1
[08:51] <perrygeo> Enkidu: Well I still use OOo but just for kicks, it's cool to see it side-by-side with Word in a Linux OS.
[08:51] <glick> ugh!
[08:51] <idle-> Enkidu: it does not _kill_ the gui
[08:51] <glick> god this is drivin me crazy
[08:51] <thoreauputic> idle-: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:51] <Enkidu> idle-: /etc/init.d/gdm stop is what i was just told ;)
[08:52] <jeff25> thoreauputic: I'm looking to try some really colorful rich WMs... I want to try enlightenment but that is also not in my Sessions pulldown in gdm
[08:52] <Enkidu> how do you make a script file to run shell commands?
[08:52] <Echelon-H> How can I check if my Apache is running? (not just type localhost... something with the terminal)
[08:52] <thoreauputic> jeff25: yeah, some unverse packages don't have the right files to show in gdm/kdm
[08:52] <jeff25> thoreauputic: I thikn I have to put a link /etc/x11/gdm/Sessions or something
[08:53] <idle-> thoreauputic: thanks
[08:53] <idle-> Enkidu: thanks
[08:53] <thoreauputic> jeff25: something like that: i worked it out a while ago but I would have to search a bit
[08:53] <FreezerX> Which user or system file is used to add a program, that isnt install by apt-get, to the PATH
[08:53] <liable> Echelon-H: psaux |grep apache
[08:54] <srbaker> yo
[08:54] <dr_willis> FreezerX,  the .bashrc or .bash_profile are normaly used to set the path.
[08:54] <hayden> when i run videos with totem the video and audio is out of sync, any ideas?
[08:54] <srbaker> can i burn DVD+R discs with ubuntu, without special software?
[08:54] <dr_willis> hayden,  i have the same issue wih some video formats it seems
[08:54] <FreezerX> dr_willis, and for all users?
[08:54] <thoreauputic> jeff25: could be usr/share/xsessions
[08:54] <dr_willis> FreezerX,  either /etc/profile , or.. Hmm perhaps antoehr file.. not sure :P
[08:55] <thoreauputic> jeff25: yup that seems to be the right dir
[08:55] <FreezerX> dr_willis, you re right, thanks
[08:55] <glick> for some reason i cant even ping myself
[08:55] <jeff25> thoreauputic: yup that worked... thanks again... you sure know  your stuff
[08:55] <Echelon-H> liable, I get all sorts of lines :\
[08:55] <glick> before it was workin fine
[08:55] <thoreauputic> jeff25: :)
[08:55] <glick> now it just stopped workin
[08:55] <glick> what gives?>
[08:56] <liable> Echelon-H: then its running
[08:56] <jeff25> thoreauputic: I've been using fluxbox and gentoo for about 2 years now....
[08:56] <jeff25> thoreauputic: finally switched my laptop to ubuntu today so I didn't have to compile for hours and hours
[08:56] <hitchhiker> jeff25<  hehe
[08:56] <Echelon-H> liable, mysql shows only one line... is it running?
[08:56] <tbasten> ok, in seahorse i have created a key, now how do i encrypt a file so that i authenticated via the key i have created?
[08:57] <thoreauputic> jeff25: I never tried gentoo - I stopped searching for distros once I discovered Debian: although of course I now use Ubuntu :)
[08:57] <liable> Echelon-H: if it shows up in psaux, then yes
[08:57] <shanon> Does anyone know how to horizontally resize the gnome panels? I have a duel head and I only want the panels to be on the first head.
[08:57] <Enkidu> what config file is XSESSION defined in?
[08:57] <Echylo> hmm Echelon-H  finally someone with a similar nickname
[08:57] <Echelon-H> Echylo, hee
[08:57] <thoreauputic> jeff25: I still have an old P200mmx running Debian Woody though
[08:57] <jeff25> thoreauputic: gentoo is nice in that you can customize just about everything, but it gets old after awhile.  I have no desire to compile everything on my laptop because it gets too hot
[08:58] <thoreauputic> jeff25: right
[08:58] <hitchhiker> p200 mmx .... try freebsd
[08:58] <hitchhiker> good
[08:58] <Echelon-H> where is mysql in ubuntu?
[08:58] <thoreauputic> hitchhiker: I might some day :)
[08:58] <stuNNed> what controls soundjuicer's rip speed or where can i set it?
[08:58] <hitchhiker> small and quick
[08:58] <hitchhiker> and fast
[08:58] <Crasp> freebsd small
[08:58] <Crasp> right
[08:59] <Crasp> it requires as much compiling as gentoo :)
[08:59] <tweakism_> jeff25: Gentoo is cool in that 1) feature support in packages is controlled by your own choices, not the package maintainers, resulting in no crippled and no bloated packages, 2) packages are very easy to make, since .ebuilds can usually be translated directly from the INSTALL file in the tarball.
[08:59] <hitchhiker> freebsd is good for old computers
[08:59] <tweakism_> jeff25: but, compiling is lame.  GRP exists.  eventually, Gentoo will solve that problem.
[08:59] <tbasten> stuNNed, ok i have created a key, now what would i have to do to encrypt a folder?
[08:59] <hitchhiker> xxxxbsd too
[09:00] <Crasp> hitchhiker: well i don't think you would notice any considerable difference if you run linux or freebsd on a p200
[09:00] <Enkidu> does anyone know where the XSESSION variable is defined?  I thought it was /etc/rc.conf but that file doesnt seem to exist on this type of distro
[09:00] <jeff25> tweakism_: right
[09:00] <jeff25> tweakism_: I still have gentoo on my main dev box because I like those features.
[09:00] <hitchhiker> Crasp<  yes.... but small and clean ( I think)
[09:00] <jeff25> tweakism_: I've only used GRP to install apps from the CD
[09:01] <Crasp> hitchhiker: it's not small
[09:01] <tweakism_> jeff25: me too :P  I'm about to go all-ubuntu, I think, though.  apt/deb is a great format, and now that there's someone actually maintaining packages in those formats... along with an excellent desktop and minimal server default install...
[09:01] <hitchhiker> just feeling...
[09:01] <stuNNed> tbasten: again, never done it, can't really say
[09:01] <jeff25> tweakism_: I've already got 5 WMs installed on my laptop and it took nearly an hour, but with gentoo I'd still be compiling gcc
[09:01] <Crasp> hitchhiker: the minimum install for freebsd 5 is at least 200mb and for 4 it's at least 125
[09:02] <hitchhiker> I like her port tree
[09:02] <Echelon-H> where is mysql in ubuntu?
[09:02] <hitchhiker> ports
[09:02] <Crasp> Enkidu: startup scripts can be found in /etc/init.d
[09:02] <Lathiat> srbaker: ping
[09:02] <Crasp> Enkidu: tho i'm pretty sure no startup script sets any environment variable that is used for a user
[09:02] <hitchhiker> pong
[09:02] <hitchhiker> pung
[09:02] <Crasp> Enkidu: as a matter of fact, that's even impossible ;)
[09:03] <jeff25> tweakism_: I like how apt-cache search doesn't take 100% cpu
[09:03] <srbaker> Lathiat, hey
[09:03] <jeff25> tweakism_: unlike emerge in gentoo
[09:03] <srbaker> Lathiat, so it knows to write the image as an image.
[09:03] <Lathiat> srbaker: yep
[09:03] <srbaker> previous versions wrote the iso to the disc
[09:03] <jeff25> tweakism_: and syning the package DB is painless in ubuntu
[09:03] <jeff25> *syncing
[09:03] <Lathiat> srbaker: err
[09:03] <Lathiat> srbaker: Well, you can write to an image,  or to your cd burner
[09:03] <Enkidu> Crasp, im not sure at all...somewhere there is a file that sets XSESSION and some other stuff, and in gentoo its /etc/rc.conf but im sure i've seen it in ubuntu
[09:03] <Lathiat> srbaker: writing an iso to an image is fairly useless
[09:04] <Enkidu> Crasp, its also where you set which loader (xdm, kdm, gdm) you are going to use?
[09:04] <Crasp> Enkidu: i think it's defined by your loginscripts as a user
[09:04] <srbaker> Lathiat, i know. :)
[09:05] <srbaker> Lathiat, but that's what it used to do
[09:05] <tweakism_> jeff25: Another reason I'm switching from Gentoo is portage development has slowed.  At one time, I held out hope that issues like that would eventually get fixed, as portage gained new features and coolness every day.  Now, it just kind of seems to be stagnating.
[09:05] <Enkidu> Crasp, i think im just getting distros confused...i've been messing with so many recently trying to get something to work :-\
[09:05] <Crasp> Enkidu: if you asked me i'd just set it in ~/.bash_profile
[09:06] <thoreauputic> Enkidu: the file to define your dm is /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[09:06] <Enkidu> thoreauputic, cool thanks
[09:06] <jeff25> tweakism_: yeah I've noticed that too which is kind of sad
[09:06] <psychonate> man, these winamp 2.x skins look really nice with XMMS
[09:07] <jeff25> tweakism_: gentoo's downfall is that they created a source only distro pretty much.  They should of designed the system to support both binary and source packages form the get go
[09:07] <tweakism_> jeff25: I'm kinda glad Ubuntu came along, really.  I can't think of any other distros I'd want to use, right now.  I hate RPM, I don't want simplistic package-management like Slackware, and I don't want Debian staleness.
[09:07] <jeff25> tweakism_: exactly!
[09:07] <jeff25> tweakism_: I feel the same
[09:07] <thoreauputic> psychonate: you can use them with beep-media-player as well ( bmp is gtk2 so the menus etc look nicer, and the skin browser has thumbnails)
[09:08] <tweakism_> jeff25: Gentoo would probably make an excellent embedded distro, though.
[09:08] <psychonate> thoreauputic, yes, I just checked out beep media player, but there is one problem
[09:08] <thoreauputic> psychonate: ?
[09:08] <jeff25> tweakism_: no doubt.
[09:09] <psychonate> thoreauputic, no built-in FLAC support, and the precompiled plugin isn't working
[09:09] <jeff25> tweakism_: I find gentoo as a server OS only (no X11) very easy to maintain
[09:09] <thoreauputic> psychonate: ah, i see
[09:09] <psychonate> thoreauputic, until I can play my FLAC files in bmp, I will use XMMS
[09:09] <tweakism_> jeff25: Heh, except when you have to explain to your boss why it takes 7 hours to upgrade to the new Apache and mod_perl :P
[09:09] <thoreauputic> psychonate: well, xmms isn't too shabby either :)
[09:10] <thoreauputic> psychonate: it has lots of options/plugins too
[09:10] <jeff25> tweakism_: lol
[09:10] <jeff25> tweakism_: true
[09:10] <psychonate> yeah, I love XMMS, but bmp looks a tad nicer
[09:11] <psychonate> as in aesthetics
[09:11] <thoreauputic> yes
[09:11] <tweakism_> I *don't* love XMMS.  It annoys me.  But I can't find anything better.  I haven't looked really hard, though.
[09:11] <thoreauputic> amarok is very nice
[09:11] <tweakism_> I want good views/sorts, not just a flat playlist.  And help organizing/tagging from the player would be nice.
[09:12] <thoreauputic> tweakism_: look at amarok : built in tagging
[09:12] <psychonate> amarok eh?
[09:12] <thoreauputic> and great sorting/ smart playlists
[09:12] <psychonate> Is it tied with KDE?
[09:12] <thoreauputic> psychonate: it's a KDE app though
[09:12] <psychonate> poop
[09:12] <psychonate> I hate when they do that heh
[09:12] <thoreauputic> works in gnome too
[09:12] <cowbud> what is the best program to back up stuff in linux?
[09:12] <psychonate> I use XFCE
[09:12] <cowbud> or what is the most used
[09:12] <tweakism_> psychonate: You realize you don't have to run KDE to run KDE apps, right?
[09:12] <cowbud> lets put it htat way
[09:13] <psychonate> tweakism_, yeah
[09:13] <thoreauputic> psychonate: works fine in xfce
[09:13] <psychonate> but
[09:13] <Enkidu> how do i get chmod to list the permissions on a file
[09:13] <jeff25> psychonate: bmp ?
[09:13] <tweakism_> Enkidu: You don't, you get ls to.  ls -l
[09:13] <Enkidu> tweakism_ ooo thats right, i forgot about that; thanks
[09:13] <thoreauputic> Enkidu: you don't. You use ls -l or ls -al
[09:13] <psychonate> tweakism_, when I run it from a terminal, I can see that it has to start up a bunch of kde-specific crap, and it generally takes longer
[09:14] <psychonate> jeff25, beep media player
[09:14] <tweakism_> psychonate: prolly.  I avoid kde-specific apps, too.  but if there's one I really want, I use it.  but haven't had that actually happen for a long while.
[09:14] <psychonate> yeah, I really like K3B
[09:14] <Enkidu> where would i put custom script files? is there a specific folder that doesnt get changed or anything
[09:14] <psychonate> that's about the only kde-specific app I use
[09:14] <jeff25> kde seems to be faster than gnome
[09:14] <jeff25> psychonate: I'm gonna install it!
[09:14] <psychonate> well, I might give gnome and kde a test trial tomorrow
[09:14] <tweakism_> jeff25: and fluxbox is faster than both!  bahaha.
[09:14] <jeff25> tweakism_: yeah
[09:14] <psychonate> haven't really used them for a long time
[09:14] <thoreauputic> jeff25: yes, the new kde is quite impressive
[09:14] <HappyFool> Enkidu: I use ~/bin
[09:15] <psychonate> tweakism_, I used to use fluxbox, but I prefer XFCE4 now
[09:15] <psychonate> looks nicer imo
[09:15] <psychonate> and still runs rather quick
[09:15] <tweakism_> jeff25: I used to demand a light-weight WM, but after test installing Ubuntu, I've switched to gnome at home too.
[09:15] <jeff25> thoreauputic: gnome-terminal has slow window redraws if you move the window around.  This doesn't happen in KDE
[09:15] <jeff25> tweakism_: yup I've been using fluxbox for 2 years
[09:16] <thoreauputic> jeff25: gnome-terminal is a bit,,, slow all round. Aterm is quick
[09:16] <Enkidu> HappyFool, do i need to add that to the path?
[09:16] <jeff25> tweakism_: I used KDE about 3 years ago until today
[09:16] <jeff25> thoreauputic: I love aterm
[09:16] <jeff25> thoreauputic: I have aterm heavily tweaked in fluxbox
[09:17] <thoreauputic> jeff25: only problem is for some reason the characters in eg. man pages are not rendered correctly sometimes
[09:17] <thoreauputic> utf-8 issue I guess
[09:17] <jeff25> thoreauputic: I haven't seen that...
[09:17] <psychonate> I started off on gnome a few years ago
[09:17] <psychonate> switched to fluxbox for a while
[09:17] <psychonate> then to XFCE4
[09:18] <tweakism_> XFCE4 is a little prettier than fluxbox.  but, obviously, being pretty is not why I use fluxbox.
[09:18] <thoreauputic> the Ubuntu xfce4 is very nice (I like rox-filer and have used it for a couple of years)
[09:18] <psychonate> yeah, rox is nice
[09:18] <HappyFool> Enkidu: my path has it already; let me look in /etc/profile...
[09:18] <bigfoot> hi all. how do i turn convert my Cd-audio tracks into a popular format like MP3?
[09:18] <psychonate> thoreauputic, the default icons are pretty nice even
[09:18] <psychonate> bigfoot, grip
[09:18] <thoreauputic> psychonate: indeed
[09:18] <psychonate> grip > *
[09:18] <tweakism_> bigfoot: an encoder like LAME.
[09:18] <johnnybezak> hey guys
[09:19] <HappyFool> Enkidu: looks like I added it in ~/.bashrc : export PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH
[09:19] <thoreauputic> psychonate: and the themes fits well with both kde and gnome apps
[09:19] <bigfoot> can "sound juice CD ripper" do anything useful?
[09:19] <psychonate> grip is a frontend for cdparanoia/lame
[09:19] <psychonate> very easy to use
[09:19] <psychonate> can fetch CDDB info to make tags
[09:19] <thoreauputic> default theme I meant
[09:19] <dr_willis> bigfoot,  not that  i noticed. :P i tend to use 'grip' to rip cd's
[09:19] <Enkidu> HappyFool: that will add it perminently?
[09:19] <psychonate> well, it's a frontend for pretty much any audio encoder
[09:19] <HappyFool> Enkidu: well, that will set the path every time you start bash
[09:19] <psychonate> bigfoot, yeah, grip will not disappoint you
[09:20] <spinifex> hello.  I know how to mount my windows partition.  What is the standard way of making this partition always accessible?
[09:20] <HappyFool> Enkidu: it is a permanent change
[09:20] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: sound juicer won't do mp3 without gstreamer-lame
[09:20] <HappyFool> Enkidu: i mean, a persistent change ;) you can always change it back
[09:20] <tweakism_> spinifex: If you mean automount on boot, put it in /etc/fstab.
[09:20] <thoreauputic> or gstreamer0.8-lame - something like that
[09:20] <spinifex> thank you, tweakism_
[09:20] <stuNNed> bigfoot: you want to rip to mp3 with soundjuicer?
[09:20] <tweakism_> spinifex: the strange numbers should be 0 and 0.
[09:21] <hayden> im not getting any sound when playing dvds with totem
[09:21] <hayden> any1 know y
[09:21] <Enkidu> HappyFool, where does it set that path at bootup?
[09:21] <spinifex> tweak: you mean <dump> and <pass> ?
[09:21] <ilbahr> hayden do you have libdvdcss
[09:21] <spinifex> what should I put for options?
[09:21] <tweakism_> spinifex: yeah.
[09:21] <JDahl> Enkidu, .bashrc
[09:21] <hayden> ilbahr, i have libdvdcss2
[09:21] <bigfoot> well, i just want to rip some cd tracks to a format that a windows user can easily listen to. and it looks like soundjuicer can convert to only 3 formats: wav, flac, and ogg. any of the above 3 readily accessible by a windows user?
[09:22] <tweakism_> spinifex: defaults
[09:22] <ilbahr> hayden open totem menu and speicfy where the dvd is
[09:22] <stuNNed> bigfoot: see http://www.columbia.edu/~jr2075/gstreamer-lame-how-to.html
[09:22] <tweakism_> spinifex: You can put anything there you can put after -o w/ mount.  noauto makes it not automount on boot, and defaults is, well, defaults.
[09:22] <thoreauputic> Enkidu: the global file is /etc/bash.bashrc
[09:22] <spinifex> say, what is the proc partition?
[09:22] <tweakism_> spinifex: man fstab for more info.
[09:23] <bigfoot> i found out that i already have the  gstreamer lame plugin. so can i convert cd to mp3 now?
[09:23] <tweakism_> spinifex: proc is a special filesystem that allows the kernel and modules to communicate w/ userspace through virtual files, usually in /proc
[09:23] <stuNNed> bigfoot: follow that above url guide and you can
[09:23] <HappyFool> Enkidu: to change path at bootup is I do not know. If you mean at login, look in /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf
[09:23] <tweakism_> spinifex: leave it mounted unless you want stuff to break.
[09:23] <hajuu> hey again hehe
[09:23] <Enkidu> I dont see antying about PATHs in those files tho
[09:23] <spinifex> heh, alright.  Is there any issue with the order I list these things?
[09:23] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: there's a howto on the wiki IIRC - there are a couple of extra steps I think
[09:23] <Enkidu> I just want ~/bin to always be in the path?
[09:23] <hajuu> Just wondering if someone could help me get codecs running on ubuntu?
[09:23] <tweakism_> spinifex: No.
[09:23] <spinifex> cool
[09:23] <hayden> ilbahr, how
[09:23] <hajuu> I dont even have the MP3 codec it would seem
[09:23] <HappyFool> Enkidu: so add the line I posted ealier
[09:24] <Enkidu> HappyFool, ok
[09:24] <HappyFool> export PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH
[09:24] <ilbahr> hayden am not running linux now but you can do it search the menu i did that and it worked fine
[09:24] <thoreauputic> hajuu: to play mp3 in music player/rhythmbox, install gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:25] <hajuu> can I apt-get that?
[09:25] <thoreauputic> hajuu: for more info on codecs etc see http://ubuntuguide.org
[09:25] <thoreauputic> hajuu: and yes, you can apt-get it
[09:26] <hajuu> "apt-get install gstreamer0.8.mad" -- package not found
[09:26] <thoreauputic> hajuu: set up your repositories in synaptic >> settings ( include universe at least)
[09:26] <wezzer-> gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:26] <thoreauputic> yes, - not .
[09:27] <hajuu> oh
[09:27] <HappyFool> JDahl: up late aren't you ? :-) Seen this ? : http://www.pythonchallenge.com/
[09:27] <bigfoot> if i'm using skype, is there a way that the person i'm talking to could hear a the music i'm playing on my computer ?
[09:27] <thoreauputic> hajuu: it's in the universe repo
[09:28] <bigfoot> if not, i can just place the Cd-audio in a seperate boombox. no problem.
[09:28] <hajuu> a few servers timedout for me when I did my apt-get
[09:28] <hajuu> err
[09:28] <hajuu> apt-get update
[09:29] <thoreauputic> hajuu: they might be syncing - try again in a while
[09:29] <thoreauputic> hajuu: assuming your sources are correct
[09:30] <hajuu> im just using the sources list it came with (with all the commented sources, uncommented,  ofcourse)
[09:31] <jeff25> someone know of an extremely bare bones web browswer (gui)
[09:31] <hajuu> E: Package gstreamer0.8-plugins has no installation candidate
[09:31] <thoreauputic> hajuu: should be OK then, as long as universe is uncommented. You mightwant to add multiverse
[09:31] <HappyFool> jeff25: i take it you're ruling out w3m by the gui requirement ?
[09:31] <spinifex> hajuu: read restricted formats faq.  Add the repository they mention
[09:31] <jeff25> HappyFool: yeah
[09:32] <dr_willis> jeff25,  'dillo' is very very minimal
[09:32] <jeff25> dr_willis: ah that's the one
[09:32] <dr_willis> jeff25,  or i think 'links -g'
[09:32] <thoreauputic> hajuu: that package is in universe too
[09:32] <spinifex> links isn't gui
[09:32] <jeff25> bmp is a sweet media player
[09:32] <spinifex> bmp?
[09:32] <dr_willis> or was it w3m? one of those is text, but can also do a basic gui with the framebuffer/x
[09:32] <hajuu> spinifex, wheres that faq located?
[09:32] <spinifex> I like amarok
[09:32] <jeff25> spinifex: yeah beep-media-player
[09:32] <JDahl> HappyFool, yeah... struggling with a problem, and watching over my son while my wife naps.
[09:32] <thoreauputic> dillo is quite nice, and very fast
[09:32] <dr_willis> links, lynx, w3m :P one of those.
[09:33] <spinifex> those are text.  He asked for gui
[09:33] <thoreauputic> doesn't do frames, javascript etc though
[09:33] <dr_willis> spinifex,  ONE of those can do a gui.
[09:33] <dr_willis> i just forget which one :P
[09:33] <spinifex> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:34] <spinifex> can do gui?  I dunno, I've just run all of em as text
[09:34] <dr_willis> spinifex,  yea - i used one as a 'framebuffer'  browser with images and so forth.. a long time ago. :P
[09:34] <thoreauputic> dr_willis: actually, a compiled links can do gui if given the right configure flags, and w3m can show pictures with a plugin
[09:34] <JDahl> HappyFool, that's fun!
[09:35] <dr_willis> thoreauputic,  heh - so its 'links' then :P
[09:35] <nervo> youhou
[09:35] <thoreauputic> or w3m
[09:35] <nervo> hello friends
[09:35] <nobile> hello
[09:35] <shanon> Are the package databases reloaded periodically or do I always have to click on reload ?
[09:35] <HappyFool> JDahl: yeah :-) an excuse for me to unrust my python
[09:36] <spinifex> hey, in my fstab, for the <type> variable, my partition is fat32.  Do I write fat32, or something else like vfat?
[09:36] <thoreauputic> shanon: reload before installing is advisable
[09:36] <dr_willis> 'vfat' is for fat32
[09:36] <spinifex> okay
[09:36] <HappyFool> i could be wrong, but i thought that would be autodetected
[09:36] <shanon> thoreauputic: But what about for updates / patches. Do I need to click reload for it to know about them?
[09:36] <spinifex> what, my fat32 partition?
[09:36] <spinifex> @happyfool
[09:37] <thoreauputic> shanon: yes, unless you use the update manager, which does it automatically
[09:37] <HappyFool> i think so. let me just try here...
[09:37] <HappyFool> @spinifex :P
[09:37] <nobile> =/
[09:37] <spinifex> konqueror detects it, but clicking on it makes a glass shattering sound unless I've mounted it
[09:38] <hajuu> lol I found some 13mb codec pack in the FAQ
[09:38] <hajuu> sounds good to me
[09:38] <shanon> thoreauputic: Where do I configure the update manager ?
[09:38] <spinifex> yes, restrictedformats is the best faq
[09:38] <spinifex> it should be in our /topic
[09:38] <thoreauputic> shanon: umm... I'm in fluxbox at the moment so I can't look
[09:38] <HappyFool> hmm. is ubotu a bot ?
[09:38] <thoreauputic> maybe someone else
[09:38] <thoreauputic> HappyFool: yes
[09:38] <liable> HappyFool: yes
[09:39] <shanon> thoreauputic: ok no problem I will poke around
[09:39] <HappyFool> ah. i guess that @ triggered it
[09:39] <spinifex> @?
[09:39] <thoreauputic> shanon: or type ` sudo update-manager` in a terminal
[09:39] <HappyFool> well, it msg'ed me out of the blue ;)
[09:40] <thoreauputic> shanon: quicker
[09:40] <spinifex> what did it say?
[09:40] <shanon> thoreauputic: Excellent thanks
[09:40] <thoreauputic> no worries
[09:40] <dr_willis> aha - its  'links2' that has the minimal gui., :P lol.
[09:41] <som1> how can i remove some place from the linux partition and make it swap?
[09:41] <som1> without ruining everything
[09:41] <dr_willis> som1,  you could just make a swap file.
[09:41] <som1> hmm ?
[09:41] <dr_willis> or resize the drive with that gtparted.
[09:41] <som1> yes i wanna resize it without ruining everything on it
[09:41] <dr_willis> linux can use a swap partuon OR a swap file.. or use some of both.
[09:42] <som1> how can i make a swap file?
[09:42] <danboid> Hi! I'm a ubuntu user after a new mobile phone. Any phone experts here or could someone recommend and IRC channel for help?
[09:43] <Tezkah> www.google.com, danboid
[09:44] <dr_willis> http://enterprise.linux.com/enterprise/05/03/02/2250257.shtml?tid=129&tid=42
[09:44] <dr_willis> som1,  google is good :P
[09:44] <som1> no its not
[09:44] <som1> google wants to take over the world just like microsoft
[09:45] <dr_willis> som1,  so :P
[09:45] <dr_willis> dd if=/dev/zero of=/extraswap bs=1M count=512
[09:45] <dr_willis> mkswap /extraswap
[09:45] <dr_willis> swapon -s
[09:45] <danboid> we come to IRC for answers, Google is for product placement :)
[09:45] <dr_willis> --- then check ya memory ussage
[09:46] <dr_willis> danboid,  not any more :P i got that GreaseMonkey add on for Firefox that removes those.
[09:46] <dr_willis> Tezkah,  heh - i perfer windowmaker to Afterstep
[09:46] <htaccess> hi i just got a mac ibook i partitoned it into 2 partitons, installed tiger, then tried to install ubuntu on the second patition, im getting yaboot failed issues
[09:46] <Tezkah> dr_willis: is windowmaker rooted in NeXTstep?
[09:46] <dr_willis> Tezkah,  its copying it some how I guess.. never used a NeXt myself.
[09:47] <HappyFool> mounting an extended partition is a really, really bad idea
[09:47] <dr_willis> Tezkah,  its just a decently well done window manager i tend to use a lot with VNC.
[09:47] <htaccess> the message was: No Newworld boot partition was found. the yaboot loader .... etc. is this a known issue?
[09:47] <htaccess> HappyFool is that directed to me?
[09:48] <jeff25> I hate websites that have 2343 flash files on them... takes all my cpu up
[09:48] <HappyFool> no
[09:48] <HappyFool> at me ;)
[09:48] <HappyFool> for being stupid
[09:48] <som1> just remove the flash plugin
[09:48] <som1> hmm
[09:48] <dr_willis> jeff25,  heh :P Thers a firefox plugin/extension  that can disable them as you want.
[09:48] <jeff25> well I need the plugin
[09:48] <spinifex> adblock
[09:48] <jeff25> dr_willis: I need to get that
[09:48] <dr_willis> spinifex,  yea thats it
[09:48] <som1> am i supposed to see the swapfile using free ?
[09:48] <jeff25> dr_willis: what does GreaseMonkey do?
[09:48] <spinifex> just add a filter to it called *.swf
[09:48] <htaccess> is there some special knowledge required to install ubuntu on mac hardware?
[09:49] <spinifex> htaccess: dunno, I don't think so
[09:49] <dr_willis> jeff25,  alows MAJOR controll of what sites do. and lets you redo sites with a scripting interface/system
[09:49] <htaccess> what is yaboot?
[09:49] <dr_willis> htaccess,  it installed on my imac dv rather easially
[09:49] <spinifex> greasemonkey lets you add extra javascript and apply it to a website
[09:49] <jeff25> dr_willis: I've got that web developer plugin... lets you disable javascript and crap
[09:49] <dr_willis> yaboot - the mac equilivent of Lilo/Grub I think.
[09:49] <spinifex> you can pimp out websites that way
[09:49] <som1> ?
[09:49] <som1> am i supposed to see the swapfile using free ?
[09:49] <ms_unniverse> hi
[09:50] <dr_willis> jeff25,  yea  :) handy. i really Like Grease Monkey and adblock.
[09:50] <Enkidu> how do i get out of a sudo environment
[09:50] <dr_willis> Enkidu,  'exit'
[09:50] <spinifex> environment?
[09:50] <dr_willis> perhaps.
[09:50] <spinifex> oh, he means sudo -u or -i ?
[09:50] <Enkidu> dr_willis, exit just logs me out entirely
[09:50] <dr_willis> som1,  it should be showing up in free.
[09:50] <som1> it doesnt
[09:50] <Enkidu> well i just ran a sudo command...and the next comand was still as root even without sudo
[09:50] <HappyFool> how did you get into the sudo environment
[09:50] <som1> do i have to reboot or?
[09:51] <dr_willis> som1,  those commands wont survive a reboot.
[09:51] <som1> right
[09:51] <dr_willis> you can always permently add the swap fule with some editing of the fstab
[09:51] <som1> ill just use swap space
[09:51] <htaccess> dr_willis, i tells me " No NewWorld boot partition was found. the yaboot loader requires an Apple_Bootstarp partiton at least 819200 bytes in size, using the HFS Macintosh file system" do i need to instll tiger on HFs or something?
[09:51] <infie> I lost my ubuntu cd...
[09:51] <infie> So I removed from the repository list my CD
[09:52] <dr_willis> htaccess,  i think they need a little mac partition at the start.. however I dident  have to mess with it at all. not sure what my imac has on it.
[09:52] <dr_willis> htaccess,  what kind of mac you useing?
[09:52] <infie> I am now trying to install webmin, and am unable to get libnet-ssleay-perl from security.ubuntu.com
[09:53] <dr_willis> infie,  some people eariler were saying some of the source sites were slow/down/
[09:53] <som1> how can i use free space to make a swap partition? (instead of ruining the installation)
[09:53] <infie> oh.
[09:53] <dr_willis> som1,   resize the existing partions with gparted or qt_parted or similer.
[09:53] <som1> alright
[09:53] <dr_willis> but you may want to backup your imporntant stuff
[09:53] <htaccess> dr_willis its a ibook g4 and it did have a real small mac partition at the start, then a tiny bit of free space and then the main mac partition
[09:53] <spinifex> say, in kde, how do I get varios programs to open their hyperlinks in firefox instead of konqueror?
[09:54] <spinifex> *various
[09:54] <som1> thats my point.. i dont wanna ruin the existing installation
[09:54] <dr_willis> som1,  thers always risk with doing what you are trying to do. :P
[09:54] <htaccess> is there an ubuntu ppc channel?
[09:54] <dr_willis> som1,  backup the whole system with Mondo/Mindi or other tool so you can restore it if need be, if its that imporntant.
[09:54] <som1> im not gonna back it all up
[09:55] <dr_willis> then dont back it up. :P have fun./
[09:55] <som1> why is it so hard to use only the unused space
[09:55] <infie> hrm, do the mirrors also have the stuff on security I wonder..
[09:55] <dr_willis> som1,  its not hard at all.
[09:55] <dr_willis> you could even use space/partition on a different hard drive.
[09:56] <som1> too bad i only have one harddrive
[09:56] <som1> and the only other partition is ntfs
[09:56] <ice_1963> well =)
[09:56] <som1> and i cant resize, i have to unmount the filesystem
[09:57] <infie> yay, the mirror worked.
[09:57] <dr_willis> i always use a linux live cd, boot it. then use qt_parted or similer to resize/redo  my partitions if needed. safer that way
[09:57] <som1> :(
[09:57] <hitchhiker> :) cheers
[09:57] <infie> Anyone know a nice GUI connect/disconnect tool for pppoe? I'm exposing the server to others via vncviewer...
[09:57] <dr_willis> resizeing a mounted partition would be... hmm.. risky :P
[09:58] <som1> i take risks
[09:58] <spinifex> dr_willis: can that be used to chop off a portion of a windows (fat32 or ntfs) partition without screwing anything up?
[09:58] <Seveas> dr_willis, impossible even (parted won't let you)
[09:58] <som1> no theres always the problem kernel versions from 2.6.x cant change ntfs filesystems
[09:59] <hitchhiker> som1<  ?
[09:59] <Echelon-H> how can I remove programs?
[09:59] <spinifex> I would really like to be able to grab a portion of a windows partition for linux use
[09:59] <spinifex> would help me convert people
[09:59] <Seveas> apt-get remove --purge [packagename] 
[09:59] <spinifex> but I hear it's risky, and I don't know how to do it
[09:59] <Echelon-H> whats purge?
[10:00] <som1> u could move space from windows using some windows program too
[10:00] <hitchhiker> kill old backup?
[10:00] <dr_willis> i do belive that ive used qt_parted to resize ntfs partions..
[10:00] <dr_willis> but you need to defrag/scandisk the ntfs befor doing so.. and again after doing so. :)
[10:01] <Aegir> BootItNG is also a good partition resizer. Fits on a single disk
[10:01] <dr_willis> and backing up impornting stuff is a very good idea in any case
[10:01] <ms_bla> d
[10:01] <hitchhiker> dr_willis<  nice
[10:01] <som1> my brother already plans on killing me for removing his stuff
[10:01] <dr_willis> ive used Knoppix live cd, and tht Linux Rescue cd to do the resizeing
[10:01] <spinifex> dr_willis: what happens if you don't defrag?  Does it stop you, or just kill your filesystem?
[10:01] <dr_willis> not sure what the Ubuntu Live Cd has on it.
[10:01] <dr_willis> spinifex,  i hear it can hurt it. :P
[10:02] <andax> if I can play an mp3 file and i hear the sound, why don't I hear anything after cat /dev/random > /dev/audio ?
[10:02] <Seveas> andax, becuase you seriously misunderstand the linux audio concept?
[10:02] <ms_bla> sdf
[10:02] <dr_willis> :)
[10:02] <jeff25> so when the new ubuntu comes out
[10:02] <Seveas> jeff25, october
[10:03] <jeff25> all I have to do is apt-get upgrade?
[10:03] <Seveas> yes
[10:03] <jeff25> that owns
[10:03] <HappyFool> dist-upgrade, i think
[10:03] <dr_willis> cat /dev/random > /dev/audio  - was like a test AGES ago.. :P
[10:03] <Seveas> well, dist-upgrade
[10:03] <andax> but it DID work
[10:03] <Davey> Do any mirrors have the DVD ISO? BitTorrent is being mean :/
[10:03] <andax> :)
[10:03] <jeff25> much better then emerge -u world in gentoo heh
[10:03] <andax> if i remember right
[10:03] <Seveas> andax, linux has evolved...
[10:03] <joeinspirit> Question: what GUI based program is avalible in unbuntu for handling wireless networking connections? With location profile support etc...
[10:03] <spinifex> joeinspirit: network-admin
[10:04] <jeff25> joeinspirit: kwifimanager
[10:04] <HappyFool> Seveas: i don't suppose you know what this error from apt-get (and aptitude and synaptic) means? "Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main python2.4-doc 2.4.1-0  Bad header line [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] "
[10:04] <andax> Seveas, so how to send some random noise to the audio out on this highly evolved os? ;)
[10:04] <Seveas> HappyFool, sounds like a b0rked server...
[10:04] <Q_Continuum_> get OUT OF MY HEAD BITCH
[10:04] <dr_willis> 0_o
[10:04] <Seveas> andax, well for starters you should use /dev/dsp
[10:04] <spinifex> um, what?
[10:04] <HappyFool> Seveas: hrm. it happens frequently
[10:04] <Seveas> andax, but Ubuntu uses ESD, so you cannot use ESD directly
[10:04] <Seveas> andax, but Ubuntu uses ESD, so you cannot use /dev/dsp directly
[10:04] <Q_Continuum_> sorry....the ex popped back in my head, heh...the dumb bitch won't leave!
[10:05] <Q_Continuum_> sorry.  wrong channel >.<
[10:05] <Seveas> Q_Continuum, watch your language in here please...
[10:05] <Echelon-H> bah, why won't it remove mysql package?
[10:05] <nobile> lol
[10:05] <spinifex> lol, that is a hilarious wrong number
[10:05] <spinifex> (@continuum)
[10:06] <Echelon-H> what is the command to delete file?
[10:06] <Seveas> rm
[10:06] <andax> rm
[10:07] <hajuu> unlink ?
[10:07] <andax> what is the command to send random noise to the audio out on a highly evolved os that uses esd and /dev/dsp doesnt work anymore? :)
[10:07] <Seveas> andax, try killall esd && cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp  :)
[10:08] <Seveas> hajuu, you'd better use rm
[10:08] <dr_willis> mpg123 /dev/urandom
[10:08] <hitchhiker> >_<
[10:08] <dr_willis> :P
[10:08] <andax> whoa
[10:08] <andax> scared the hell outta me
[10:09] <andax> but worx
[10:09] <andax> thanks
[10:09] <Seveas> :)
[10:09] <Echelon-H> bah, it seems that re-installing mysql won't help me.
[10:09] <Echelon-H> How can I completly delete stuff?
[10:09] <Seveas> apt-get remove --purge
[10:09] <Seveas> :)
[10:09] <hitchhiker> :)
[10:10] <Echelon-H> remove [filename]  --purge?
[10:10] <HappyFool> no, that's for packages
[10:10] <HappyFool> apt-get, i mean
[10:10] <andax> Echelon-H: to delete whole directories use rm -rf /dirname , but think before.
[10:11] <Echelon-H> No, I installed mysql-server, and it's not working now so I want to reinstall
[10:11] <Echelon-H> I did apt-get remove mysql-server and when I reinstall I still got problems
[10:11] <andax> Echelon-H, so apt-get remove mysql-server --purge
[10:11] <cyphase> oh, hi Echelon-H
[10:11] <cyphase> lol
[10:11] <Echelon-H> cyphase, lol
[10:12] <hitchhiker> \o\
[10:12] <Echelon-H> cyphase, look at the sql channel
[10:12] <cyphase> yea, i saw it
[10:12] <andax> Echelon-H, telling the problem could possibly lead to the solution so _don't_ tell us the real problem itself, beware ... we might help
[10:12] <Echelon-H> hehe.
[10:12] <Echelon-H> echelon@ubuntu:~$ /bin/sh /usr/bin/mysqld_safe
[10:12] <Echelon-H> cat: /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid: Permission denied
[10:12] <Echelon-H> rm: cannot remove `/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid': Permission denied
[10:12] <Echelon-H> mysqld_safe[10683] : Fatal error: Can't remove the pid file: /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid
[10:12] <Echelon-H> mysqld_safe[10685] : Please remove it manually and start /usr/bin/mysqld_safe again
[10:12] <Echelon-H> mysqld_safe[10687] : mysqld daemon not started
[10:12] <Echelon-H> X_X
[10:13] <Seveaz> rofl
[10:13] <cyphase> Echelon-H, go to #mysql
[10:13] <Seveaz> Echelon-H, you need to run it as root
[10:13] <spinifex> use sudo
[10:13] <Seveaz> not as your user...
[10:13] <andax> Echelon-H, use the "sudo /usr/bin/mysqld_safe" command
[10:13] <spinifex> bubbye peeps
[10:13] <andax> but hmm really better visit #mysql
[10:14] <Echelon-H> wait maybe I got it sorted out
[10:15] <Echelon-H> woohoo
[10:15] <cyphase> gratz Echelon-H
[10:17] <rixth> Offtopic and horrible, but help would still be appreciated.I'm trying to install XP on a 160gb SATA disk, it just locks up I think Ineed to "Press F6 to load drivers" Where cna I get my drivers from? I have a ASUS A7V600 (not SE or X), Ican't find the drivers on their site.
[10:18] <cyphase> later everyone
[10:18] <REds> i had that mainboard ;p its shit i think
[10:19] <REds> i had to play with bios settings
[10:19] <REds> i ended up flashing the bios to a newer firmware version rixth
[10:19] <andax> rixth, try installing sp2, that worked for me for a sata disk
[10:19] <rixth> Andax, I don't  happen to have a Slipstreamed vesion around. I use Linux so I can't really mkae one eigher.
[10:20] <andax> i can give you one
[10:20] <Seveaz> andax, we do not support copyright infringmrnt here
[10:20] <rixth> Are you in New Zealand? :)
[10:20] <andax> oh sorry ok
[10:20] <Seveaz> if you insist on doing so, please do it domewhere else
[10:20] <rixth> Hey, I DO have a leal version.
[10:21] <rixth> Just thinking how I can make a slipstreamed one on Linux.
[10:21] <Seveaz> rixth, i meant: <andax> i can give you one
[10:21] <rixth> Maybe Wine? =/
[10:21] <nihao> refresh rate is low in GDM loging screen. How to change it? after login, it is OK (I modifiy using PREFERENCE utility)
[10:22] <Seveaz> nihao, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg might do the trick
[10:22] <gigaattack> who use ubuntu here
[10:23] <HappyFool> heh
[10:23] <Seveaz> and most of the channel i guess :)
[10:23] <HappyFool> no, we're all on BBC basic micros
[10:23] <HappyFool> ooh, leet
[10:23] <gigaattack> ha
[10:24] <IIIEars__> lol IBM 390 really?
[10:24] <thoreauputic> heheh
[10:25] <Echelon-H> how can I access cd?
[10:25] <thoreauputic> ... cramps things a bit but hey...
[10:25] <Seveas> with nautilus
[10:27] <Echelon-H> how can I access a cd in the file manager?
[10:27] <Seveas> Echelon-H, places->computer
[10:27] <parabolize> click computer
[10:28] <Echelon-H> im using xfce
[10:28] <Seveas> then you should say that :)
[10:28] <Seveas> make sure the cd is mounted on go to the mountpoint
[10:28] <Seveas> automountpoint is usually /media/cdrom
[10:28] <Echelon-H> Seveas, huh?
[10:29] <REds> ll
[10:29] <REds> open a terminal
[10:29] <Echelon-H> k
[10:29] <Echelon-H> I got it
[10:29] <hitchhiker> kk
[10:29] <REds> and type mount /media/cdrom
[10:29] <REds> cd /media/cdrom, see it that works
[10:29] <IIIEars__> Thoreaputic - Have you guys thought about vrating buzz for ubuntu? maybe a donation of old machines about to be recycled to an poor african school? Possibly a Pepsi Challenge against windows or Mac on University campuses? Giving a new Ubuntu equipped laptop or two to the influencers of the tech communitty or potential project donors?
[10:29] <IIIEars__> er *creating.
[10:29] <pepsi> hi
[10:30] <hitchhiker> hi
[10:30] <pepsi> IIIEars__ lit me up
[10:30] <Seveas> ih
[10:30] <thoreauputic> IIIEars__: I think you are assuming I'm one of "the guys" (I'm not a dev or a Canonical employee)
[10:31] <IIIEars__> Ubuntu is a great name for a qulity distro.
[10:31] <thoreauputic> IIIEars__: I'm just a regular dude :)
[10:31] <IIIEars__> a few good press releases and you will be seen.
[10:31] <shanon> who hangs out here and answers questions
[10:31] <Echelon-H> do you know any good editor for php and c(not gedit)?
[10:31] <HappyFool> i get the idea ubuntu is already quite seen in the linux world ;)
[10:31] <Seveas> shanon, lots of guys..
[10:31] <Tezkah> hey Echelon-H ....
[10:31] <Tezkah> EMACS!
[10:31] <Tezkah> ahahaha... sorry
[10:31] <Seveas> vim!
[10:31] <Echelon-H> Tezkah, huh?
[10:31] <shanon> Vim
[10:32] <HappyFool> Echelon-H: you can try emacs. It's the One True Editor.
[10:32] <shanon> hahaha
[10:32] <Tezkah> yeah
[10:32] <Seveas> HappyFool, nono, that's vim :)
[10:32] <xxenon> can I prevent dhclient to update the system DNS ? (resolv.conf)
[10:32] <Tezkah> vim is an abomination
[10:32] <Echelon-H> why are you all laughing :|?
[10:32] <shanon> Echelon-H: Tip don't ask about editors
[10:32] <Seveas> (please please please let's not reiterate this discussion)
[10:32] <hitchhiker> hehe firefox = next emacs
[10:32] <HappyFool> do not let these vim heretics lead you astray! fear, suffering, vim, these are the paths to the dark side.
[10:32] <cirp> hei people... curios.. i just installed kubuntu but i hate the start up login screen i prefer the gnome login screen
[10:32] <cirp> how do rebuild that?
[10:32] <thoreauputic> ed! ed is the editor! man ed! ed, man!
[10:32] <hitchhiker> works for *everything*
[10:32] <Tezkah> cirp: install ubuntu-desktop ?
[10:32] <Seveas> cirp, sudo aptitude install gdm
[10:33] <Tezkah> it will install gnome too
[10:33] <HappyFool> Echelon-H: there are lots of editors. try a few, and pick one you like
[10:33] <Seveas> Tezkah, he wants just the gdm :)
[10:33] <IIIEars__> Arrgh! "VIM" No!, No-oo anything but VIM not that!
[10:33] <shanon> Echelon-H: I depends on how much effort you want to put into learning and how much you want to use it
[10:33] <hitchhiker> oh +vim
[10:33] <hitchhiker> sorry :)
[10:33] <cirp> Seveas : will it overwrite kdm??
[10:33] <jeff25> how do I change themes in xfce
[10:33] <IIIEars__> hehe
[10:33] <Seveas> cirp, no
[10:33] <thoreauputic> IIIEars__: VIM = Virtually Impossible MAdness ;)
[10:33] <Seveas> it will let you choose
[10:34] <cirp> ah ok ok
[10:34] <cirp> thanks
[10:34] <Tezkah> GDM on ubuntu has a creepy drum roll
[10:34] <Seveas> emacs: enhanced madness and complete stupidity
[10:34] <HappyFool> IIIEars: i think this is one of shuttleworth's open-source promotion efforts, and i think it's got an african focus (well, south african, at least): http://www.go-opensource.org/
[10:34] <rixth> Tezkah, I agree. It's really bass-ey too.
[10:34] <shanon> I don't know how you can live without vim. First thing I do when I use a shell on a different system is set -o vi
[10:34] <Echelon-H> ill go for the vim
[10:35] <Seveas> Echelon-H, vim has a very steep learning curve
[10:35] <Seveas> use vimtutor to climb that hill :)
[10:35] <hitchhiker> umm
[10:35] <\sh> HappyFool: go-opensource.org should focus the african continent not only ZA
[10:35] <shanon> Echelon-H: I love vim. But don't use it if you don't want to read a manual and have a cheet sheat handy for the first couple of weeks
[10:35] <jacquesmerde> "pico vimtutor"
[10:35] <Seveas> but once you get to know it, ooh boy :)
[10:36] <shanon> Indeed
[10:36] <Seveas> jacquesmerde, hmm??
[10:36] <Seveas> just vimtutor :)
[10:36] <hitchhiker> I will stay the botom of the hill
[10:36] <jacquesmerde> Seveas, but then you have to navigate vimtutor in vim!!!
[10:36] <hitchhiker> ;)
[10:36] <Seveas> jacquesmerde, navigating is the first thing you learn :)
[10:36] <jacquesmerde> i run "pico vimtutor" and finish it in two minutes
[10:36] <HappyFool> \sh: i am not involved in the project, and do not know its goals
[10:36] <jacquesmerde> Seveas, yeah, i know
[10:36] <Echelon-H> hmmm: sudo apt-get install emacs is not working.
[10:37] <Seveas> try emacs21
[10:37] <HappyFool> one does have to start somewhere
[10:37] <hitchhiker> s/pico/nano/g
[10:37] <Seveas> can you beleive it: version 21 and still stupid ;)
[10:37] <HappyFool> :P
[10:37] <hitchhiker> why?
[10:37] <shanon> I can't believe we scared Echelon-H into emacs
[10:37] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: actually you aren't running pico either: it's a link to nano on Ubuntu :)
[10:37] <jacquesmerde> nano? ooh, aren't WE fancy...
[10:37] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, BASTARDS
[10:37] <hitchhiker> nano nano lol
[10:37] <shanon> nano is anoying
[10:37] <HappyFool> there are other editors which might be more.. ah. visually attractive. scite, eclipse, blah-blah
[10:37] <Seveas> hmm
[10:37] <jacquesmerde> joe?
[10:37] <jacquesmerde> ed?
[10:38] <Seveas> if you need a gui: gvim
[10:38] <cirp> thanks
[10:38] <shanon> gvim is pretty good
[10:38] <hitchhiker> joe soxs
[10:38] <jacquesmerde> ooh, i have a vim question...any experts?
[10:38] <Seveas> shanon, do you use the vim-gnome or vim-gtk package?
[10:38] <linukso> every time I have to use nano I end up typing several "j"'s at the start to get down to where I want to be :)
[10:38] <HappyFool> jacquesmerde: yeah, exit with :q!
[10:39] <hitchhiker> :wq!
[10:39] <\sh> HappyFool: but u r right..and i was wrong...it was another african org which was focusing on africa itself and not only ZA
[10:39] <Seveas> :!sudo aptitude remove --purge --really-purge --get-the-godd***-thing-off-my-system emacs21
[10:39] <shanon> Seveas: I use standard vim. I only use gvim in windows. My desktop is pretty much just lots of consoles. I am typing this using irssi in a screen session
[10:39] <jacquesmerde> my question is that when i navigate up and down, it goes up/down to the next/previous computational line, rather than visual line (like in a word processor). can i change this behaviour?
[10:39] <thoreauputic> for all you deluded people who fight about vi vs emacs: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/edistheeditor.txt
[10:39] <Seveas> shanon, likewise, but for a project i have to use gvim with client-server bindings
[10:39] <shanon> thoreauputic: hahaha
[10:40] <hajuu_> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[10:40] <Echelon-H> Isn't there anything Like editplus2 for win?
[10:40] <hajuu_> Wtf does that mean?
[10:40] <hitchhiker> m$ dos *ed* +1
[10:40] <hajuu_> "temoprarilly unavailable" ??
[10:41] <hitchhiker> c:>ed
[10:41] <linukso> thoreauputic: hehe
[10:41] <thoreauputic> and for all who doubt the superiority of *nix : http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/dil-unix.gif
[10:41] <Seveas> hajuu_, make sure you have no other package managers open
[10:41] <shanon> Echelon-H: The problem is that most people who use linux/unix a lot or have a background in it end up using vim or emacs. So that is why you always here about them
[10:41] <hajuu_> I have nothign open at all.. I just restarted
[10:41] <Tezkah> the problem is that emacs is so great
[10:42] <Tezkah> that people boast about it
[10:42] <Seveas> hajuu_, than maybe the update-manager is doing things
[10:42] <hajuu_> I have Xchat and a terminal window and a firefox window
[10:42] <Tezkah> and then people get jealous and use vi because they are bad bad people
[10:42] <Echelon-H> Isn't there anything with colors or stuff :P? It's just comfortable.
[10:42] <Seveas> Echelon-H, gedit/nedit/kate
[10:42] <shanon> Echelon-H: both emacs and vim will have colours
[10:42] <Seveas> scite/eclipse
[10:42] <Seveas> vim
[10:42] <Seveas> :set colorscheme evening
[10:43] <Echelon-H> gedit doesn't has colors
[10:43] <shanon> Echelon-H: but they are powerful editors with a lot of options.
[10:43] <jacquesmerde> gedit has great syntax highlighting
[10:43] <Seveas> vim too :)
[10:43] <Seveas> and i love the %
[10:43] <jacquesmerde> :syn on
[10:43] <jacquesmerde> the %?
[10:43] <Seveas> find matching bracket :)
[10:43] <hajuu_> how can I find out whats using my apt?
[10:43] <shanon> Seveas: True
[10:44] <Echelon-H> jacquesmerde, why don't I see it.
[10:44] <hitchhiker> 100%
[10:44] <Seveas> hajuu_, lsof | grep /var/lib/apt/lists
[10:44] <hitchhiker> ?
[10:44] <Tezkah> http://www.dina.kvl.dk/~abraham/religion/  <--- one true faith ;)
[10:44] <Echelon-H> I don't get any syntax highlighting in gedit.
[10:44] <jacquesmerde> gedit has go to line numbers as well. PLUS it has the one feature i cant figure out how to get on vim. so i mainly stick with gedit (when my computer is so bloated to be infested with gnome)
[10:44] <Seveas> jacquesmerde, which feature?
[10:44] <jacquesmerde> Echelon-H, you have to select it. or open a file with the appropriate extension
[10:45] <Echelon-H> I did gedit for a php file.. but nvm I selected it manually.
[10:45] <r3tex> on the livecd, how do i become root?
[10:45] <jacquesmerde> Seveas, navigating up and down the page, visual line by visual line, rather than literal line by literal line...
[10:45] <Tezkah> r3tex: you don't!
[10:45] <Seveas> r3tex, sudo -i
[10:45] <Seveas> Tezkah, yes you can
[10:45] <Seveas> see, emacs users are stupid :p
[10:46] <Seveas> (ok, /me stops the editor war)
[10:46] <Tezkah> root is bad
[10:46] <Tezkah> bad is root!
[10:46] <hajuu_> What is bonobo-activation-server/
[10:46] <hajuu_> ?
[10:46] <jacquesmerde> Seveas, i'm sure vim has that feature somewhere. vim has EVERY feature SOMEwhere.  but noone can tell me how to get it
[10:46] <Seveas> jacquesmerde, i don't know it either :)
[10:47] <Tezkah> jacquesmerde: its easy, just use !fea^5q!r to enable it
[10:47] <jacquesmerde> Seveas, if i could get that feature, i would use vim and nothing else
[10:47] <jacquesmerde> Tezkah, hmm....
[10:47] <Tezkah> ... kidding
[10:47] <jacquesmerde> well, you WERE kidding, but i did try just smooshing the keyboard too!
[10:47] <infie> I've been using pppoeconf to setup my ADSL connection...
[10:48] <infie> However, webmin, etc, do not recognise this
[10:48] <jacquesmerde> oh, btw, does anyone understand whats wrong with ubuntu's mounting problems with optical drives? i've read a lot of different stuff on the forums about it, some went over my head...
[10:49] <hajuu_> Seveas, gam_serve 7215      hajuu   63r      DIR        3,1    4096     691105 /var/lib/apt/lists/partial
[10:49] <hajuu_> Thats what that command returns
[10:49] <hajuu_> Does that mean thats whats causing it most likely?
[10:49] <Seveas> hajuu_, hmmz
[10:50] <Seveas> gam_serve should not do that
[10:50] <Seveas> but that is not the lockfile
[10:50] <hajuu_> gam_serve 7215      hajuu   64r      DIR        3,1    4096     674692 /var/lib/apt/lists
[10:50] <hajuu_> Is that?
[10:51] <Seveas> no, that's just a directory
[10:51] <Seveas> try again
[10:51] <hajuu_> yeah it works now
[10:51] <theD3viL> What i must install for *.wma and *.ogg sound formats?
[10:51] <hajuu_> :S
[10:51] <hajuu_> go figure
[10:51] <Seveas> guess it was update-manager then :)
[10:51] <hajuu_> yeah prolly
[10:51] <NicP> you can already play ogg files theD3viL
[10:52] <theD3viL> what about wma ?
[10:52] <Seveas> w32codecs, get them from mplayerhq.hu
[10:52] <thoreauputic> theD3viL: w32codecs I guess
[10:52] <IIIEars__> w32codec - i think will do it. - haven't tried
[10:52] <darGor> i download audioconverter to transfer some .ogg files to .mp3 files. but, it requires normalize". i apt-getted normalize, but, still requesting me normalize. someone knows my erroR ?
[10:52] <Echelon-H> bah I am having troubles now mounting a cd
[10:52] <theD3viL> thoreauputic, tnx again :) =)
[10:52] <Madpilot> blergh... today's U update dumped some FF bookmark thing onto my panel, and I can't seem to get rid of it. I don't even use FF. How do I kill this thing?
[10:53] <shanon> Echelon-H: what is the problem?
[10:53] <Echelon-H> Mounting /media/cdrom1
[10:53] <Echelon-H> mount: No medium found
[10:53] <Echelon-H> Mount failed
[10:53] <hajuu_> I just downloaded that w32codecs in an attempt to get my mp3 to work... But apt-get installed it for me.. and still whenever xmms tries to play a mp3 file, it locks up.
[10:53] <jacquesmerde> white men can't jump, ubuntu can't (u)mount
[10:53] <Echelon-H> but I got a disc inside.
[10:53] <jacquesmerde> Echelon-H, is it an optical drive?
[10:53] <Immortalis> Question: I installed Ubuntu and then later WinXP. Just when I booted on the WinXP it somehow "overwrite" the boot, so now it only boots on XP. What can I do?
[10:53] <Seveas> hajuu_, you need to change the xmms config
[10:53] <Echelon-H> it's a cdrom
[10:53] <Seveas> hajuu_, and ditch xmms, use beep-media-player, it's a gtk2 port of xmms
[10:54] <jacquesmerde> Echelon-H, is it your second cd-rom drive? like a burner or something?
[10:54] <hajuu_> change what?
[10:54] <KOTR_LINK> Does Ubuntu Support Nforce Drivers Like Lan Card Etc
[10:54] <Seveas> hajuu_, open ~/.xmms/config
[10:54] <HappyFool> Immortalis: i think there's something on the wiki about this. hang on a moment...
[10:54] <Seveas> hajuu_, find the line with output_plugin, it should look like:
[10:54] <Echelon-H> both of them are burners, but yeah.
[10:54] <Seveas> output_plugin=/usr/lib/xmms/Output/libesdout.so
[10:54] <Immortalis> HappyFool: ok
[10:54] <Echelon-H> anyways it worked a moment ago
[10:54] <thoreauputic> Seveas: you cabn do it from the xmms ui
[10:55] <Seveas> thoreauputic, i had both xmms and beep locking up on mw trying to do that
[10:55] <Madpilot> OK, nevermind. the FF thing just vanished again.
[10:55] <Seveas> s/mw/me
[10:55] <thoreauputic> hmm
[10:55] <Madpilot> I hate it when the OS fiddles around like that...
[10:55] <hajuu_> where will apt-get have installed xmms?
[10:55] <HappyFool> Immortalis: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[10:55] <cristi> KOTR_LINK - yep I am on one now :)
[10:55] <Seveas> hajuu_, try: dpkg -L xmms
[10:55] <KOTR_LINK> Nforce2
[10:55] <thoreauputic> hajuu_: /usr/bin/xmms
[10:55] <Immortalis> HappyFool: thx, I'll take a look
[10:55] <cristi> yep
[10:56] <shanon> hajuu_: have you set xmms to point to esd ?
[10:56] <thoreauputic> hajuu_: not that you need to know that...
[10:56] <KOTR_LINK> Do I Need To Dl Drivers Or Are They Installed By Default
[10:56] <Madpilot> KOTR_LINK: I've got an NForce2 mobo, and everything went fine w/ Ubuntu install
[10:56] <hajuu_> I have no idea what esd is.. nor how to tell it to point to it heh
[10:56] <shanon> change the pluing in the settinng
[10:56] <shanon> settings
[10:56] <KOTR_LINK> Mines A FIC Every Thing On Its Nforce
[10:57] <thoreauputic> KOTR_LINK: It Depends On WHether You Insist On Capitalising Every Word
[10:57] <_Church_Of_Foame> whats the command to delete files?
[10:57] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: :) :)
[10:57] <KOTR_LINK> lol old habbit
[10:57] <shanon> hajuu_: Options -> preferences -> output plugins -> set to esd
[10:57] <HappyFool> _Church_Of_Foame: rm
[10:57] <Echelon-H> hmmm cp seems not to work with cdrom0
[10:57] <HappyFool> _Church_Of_Foame: or use nautilus
[10:57] <jacquesmerde> Echelon-H, i can't offer you any advice, but if it helps you, i have the same problem with my optical drive. especially trying to eject a cd
[10:57] <IIIEars__> Earlier - ADD for Ubuntu kicked in not one to stay focused and always testing bondaries. I Logged on to IRC, Started a music stream with stream tuner, plugged in a DVD to see Mel Gibson "Year of Living Dangerously." Surprised that so many things were going on a weak machine 1.5g 360ram I thought hm.. what would happen if there was a 1st person shooter going too?  - lol - Nothing at at all spectacular it just worked.
[10:57] <_Church_Of_Foame> so sudo rm <filename>?
[10:57] <Madpilot> KOTR_LINK: My Asus A7N8X is all-Nforce2 as well. no need for extra drivers, I think
[10:58] <HappyFool> _Church_Of_Foame: yeah, but be careful what you erase ;)
[10:58] <_Church_Of_Foame> ok
[10:58] <HappyFool> Echelon-H: what's the error ?
[10:58] <shanon> hajuu_: esd -> esound
[10:58] <hajuu_> shanon, under Audio I/O Plugins?
[10:58] <Echelon-H> omitting directory
[10:59] <shanon> hajuu_: yes
[10:59] <hajuu_> here goes nothing heh
[10:59] <hajuu_> woohoo
[10:59] <hajuu_> it works
[10:59] <hajuu_> :D
[10:59] <shanon> hajuu_: Assuming you haven't change your system to use alsa
[10:59] <HappyFool> Echelon-H: try 'ls -l /media/cdrom0' first to see what's on the cd-rom
[10:59] <shanon> cool
[10:59] <_Church_Of_Foame> i use this rule of thumb when deleteing stuff from my box:
[10:59] <hajuu_> Thanks alot,.... again
[10:59] <hajuu_> heh
[10:59] <HappyFool> Echelon-H: it's sounds like there's only a directory in the root of that cd
[10:59] <_Church_Of_Foame> if i diden't put it there i an't erasing it ^_^
[11:00] <HappyFool> Echelon-H: doesn't xfce (or whatever you're using) have a file manager? it would make life a lot easier for you
[11:00] <Echelon-H> KOTR_LINK Do I Need To Dl Drivers Or Are They Installed By Default
[11:00] <Echelon-H> Madpilot KOTR_LINK: I've got an NForce2 mobo, and everyt
[11:00] <Echelon-H> it has, but I want to learn thropugh the terminal and it's not really working through the file manager
[11:00] <HappyFool> Echelon-H: consider reading a bash howto
[11:00] <hajuu_> whats a really beautiful window manager?
[11:01] <shanon> hajuu_: enlightenment
[11:01] <shanon> hajuu_: especially e17. but it is in beta
[11:01] <cert> hei is it possible to run totem on ssh??
[11:01] <hajuu_> hmm
[11:01] <Madpilot> Echelon-H: that last couple of lines from you got a bit garbled. not sure what you were trying to say?
[11:01] <IIIEars__> hajuu - they are all so customisable it really is a feast of choices.
[11:01] <hajuu_> can I apt-get that?
[11:01] <Tezkah> hajuu_: afterstep is so yummy
[11:01] <Echelon-H> Madpilot, nvm
[11:02] <hajuu_> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages
[11:02] <hajuu_>   Connection failed
[11:02] <hajuu_> Why cant I connect to that?
[11:02] <hajuu_> Been unable to for over 6 hours
[11:02] <liable> hajuu_: try it in a browser, maybe the servers down
[11:03] <hajuu_> nope
[11:03] <hajuu_> workin
[11:04] <hajuu_> apt-update just fails to read it
[11:04] <Echelon-H> hmm weird.
[11:04] <Echelon-H> when I copy a specific file it works, but when im trying to use /* it doesn't.
[11:05] <hajuu_> is there a better file explorer than nautilus? I dont like it.
[11:06] <IIIEars__> Hm - poking around X-Chat can't turn on the user list panel.
[11:07] <hajuu_> heh I didnt know you could turn it OFF
[11:07] <liable> hajuu_: did you manually put that in sources?
[11:07] <thoreauputic> IIIEars__: you might just need to grab/drag it from the right
[11:07] <hajuu_> liable: No.. That is the universal package source..
[11:08] <Seveas> IIIEars, hit <ctrl> I a few times
[11:08] <IIIEars__> lol - no luck.
[11:08] <Seveas> IIIEars__, and it's also somewhere in the options
[11:08] <HappyFool> Echelon-H: try reading this: will introduce how to work with the command-line: http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/chap_03.html
[11:09] <hajuu_> how do I remove an entire directory?
[11:09] <cert> rm -r [directory] 
[11:10] <robotgeek> hajuu_: rm -r <dir>
[11:10] <cert> wait...
[11:10] <hajuu_> what about -d?
[11:10] <hajuu_> whats the dif?
[11:10] <hajuu_> ah recursive
[11:10] <hajuu_> I see
[11:11] <som1> how can i tell a specific program to use esd?
[11:11] <NicP> IIIEars__, all you have to do is drag the handle on the left of it to the right
[11:11] <robotgeek> hajuu_: :), i was doing a man rm too... i don't use many of the option now!
[11:11] <hajuu_> hehe
[11:12] <cert> hajuu_ : sudo rm -r <directory>
[11:12] <cert> ??
[11:13] <hajuu_> nah its ok its deleted now
[11:13] <hajuu_> I dont need no sudo rubbish hehe
[11:13] <albacker> rm -rf
[11:13] <hajuu_> Any ideas as to my failed connection to the packages server?
[11:13] <som1> port closed?
[11:13] <som1> mine is
[11:14] <lewwy> can someone here please help me setup my tevion TV tuner under ubuntu?
[11:14] <hajuu_> it connects to all the other servers fine
[11:14] <hajuu_> on apt-get update
[11:14] <som1> maybe the server is down
[11:14] <hajuu_> nah coz if I put the url into my web browser.. works fine.
[11:17] <lewwy> can somebody here please help me get my tv tuner working?
[11:18] <IIIEars__> lewwy - There are some very helpful and experienced people here all all glad to help. - Really would like to hear the answer too. :)
[11:18] <Echelon-H> can I open a zip file in linux?
[11:18] <HappyFool> lewwy: if you ask a specific question, we might be able to help
[11:18] <ArcSine> yep
[11:19] <hajuu_> Echelon-H, sure.
[11:19] <cert> unzip <file>
[11:19] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: sure, use "unzip <filename>
[11:19] <lewwy> uhh, ok.  that sorta was the question
[11:19] <shanon> lewwy: You need to be more specific
[11:19] <lewwy> my tevion VS-LTV7131 is not working/i don't know how to get it working
[11:19] <lewwy> im reading up on a few tutorials atm
[11:19] <ilperdente> good morning - is there a concise source for NFS under Ubuntu?
[11:19] <lewwy> perhaps suggest a good tv tuner util for ubuntu?
[11:19] <ilperdente> I followed the FAQ the NFS-HOWT and the wiki page
[11:20] <ilperdente> I still cannot connect and don't kknow how to debug further
[11:21] <savio_> ciao ragazzi
[11:21] <savio_> ghghgh
[11:21] <grexk> Has ever failed to boot gdm after adding vga=7** to you menu.lst
[11:21] <grexk> *your
[11:22] <Davey|Ubuntu> guess what.... :D
[11:22] <hajuu_> Uh... Anyone here use nVidia graphics drivers on their linux install?
[11:22] <som1> how can i tell a specific program to use esd? once i used  echo "et.x86" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss but :o
[11:22] <Davey|Ubuntu> not I
[11:22] <IIIEars__> Yes
[11:22] <hajuu_> Which drivers do I use?
[11:22] <Davey|Ubuntu> how do I add the task switcher to my toolbar? :D
[11:22] <hajuu_> Linux IA32 ?
[11:23] <Davey|Ubuntu> ah, window list :)
[11:23] <Echelon-H> hmm it's not unzippingi t.
[11:23] <IIIEars__> Geforce 5200 FX PCI no less - lol
[11:23] <Echelon-H> *it
[11:23] <hajuu_> hey?
[11:23] <hajuu_> I want drivers for my MX 440
[11:23] <som1> yes i use nvidia driver
[11:23] <som1> but i installed with packages
[11:23] <hajuu_> Cause the ones it comes with aren't that good
[11:23] <som1> hajuu_
[11:24] <som1> theres a problem with mx440
[11:24] <hajuu_> whats that?
[11:24] <grexk> davey sue gconf editor
[11:24] <som1> ?
[11:24] <hajuu_> whats the problem?
[11:24] <grexk> use gconf edito @davet
[11:24] <Davey|Ubuntu> grexk, I found it :)
[11:24] <grexk> ok
[11:24] <som1> it doesnt really work with it on most cases
[11:24] <som1> my friend made a guide
[11:24] <hajuu_> link me up
[11:24] <hajuu_> heh
[11:25] <som1> but its in hebrew
[11:25] <som1> do
[11:25] <som1>  sudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-glx
[11:25] <Echelon-H> som1, are you Israeli?
[11:25] <IIIEars__> som1 - the info included with nvidia drivers is exellent. - Rebuilding the kernel was easy for me actually killing the xserver was hard. - (yep i'm new. - lol)
[11:25] <som1> yes
[11:25] <Echelon-H> anyways, my nVIDIA drivers worked just fine.
[11:25] <som1> here it didnt
[11:25] <Echelon-H> www.ubuntuguide.org . look there, it's great.
[11:25] <som1> http://www.cs.biu.ac.il/~israels/nvidia-guide/nvidia-howto.v0.11.html :)
[11:26] <hajuu_> meh ill try these drivers
[11:26] <hajuu_> give em a go
[11:26] <som1> did u get the packages?
[11:26] <hajuu_> Prolly better than the standard ones ubuntu comes with
[11:26] <som1> well
[11:26] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, can you help me with the zip ?
[11:26] <som1> theres a known problem with mx440
[11:26] <hajuu_> som1, heh its 10mb.. and im dialup.. so bear with me :P
[11:26] <IIIEars__> som1 - Where are you in the install process? what have you done so far?
[11:26] <som1> oh
[11:26] <som1> install process ?
[11:26] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, Im doing unzip filename and it isn't doing anything./
[11:27] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: umm.. unzip normally works: what errors are you getting?
[11:27] <IIIEars__> for the Nvidia driver paackage?
[11:27] <som1> btw, thats not a complete guide there, i need to tell him to add something :D
[11:27] <Echelon-H>   inflating: worldofwarcraft.sql.zip.sql
[11:27] <Davey|Ubuntu> hmm
[11:27] <som1> it works.. played enemy territory now
[11:27] <Echelon-H> and it asks me for some yes no and all sorts of stuff.
[11:27] <grexk> Has ever failed to boot gdm after adding vga=7** to your menu.lst
[11:27] <Davey|Ubuntu> Ubuntu uses regular Debian .deb sources, right?
[11:27] <Amaranth> no
[11:27] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: odd
[11:27] <lampshade> anyone happen to know about smtp?  I have a question entirely not related to linux really...
[11:28] <Echelon-H> replace worldofwarcraft.sql.zip.sql? [y] es, [n] o, [A] ll, [N] one, [r] ename: n
[11:28] <Davey|Ubuntu> Amaranth, no?
[11:28] <Echelon-H> what do I need to do here?
[11:28] <ArcSine> Davey|Ubuntu: if you want regular .deb repos, ude mepis
[11:28] <Amaranth> Davey|Ubuntu: .debs from Debian or built for Debian may or may not work. They could also break things.
[11:28] <ArcSine> use*
[11:28] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: worldofwarcraft.sql.zip.sql
[11:28] <thoreauputic> doesn't look like a zip file
[11:28] <Davey|Ubuntu> Amaranth: I see. Darn
[11:28] <Amaranth> Davey|Ubuntu: What are you trying to get?
[11:28] <Davey|Ubuntu> Amaranth: the ubuntu sources don't seem so... big?
[11:28] <IIIEars__> Ah - great! :) - Maybe you help me. A user here asked about enemy territory reseting his keyboard. Have you had any problems?
[11:29] <Amaranth> Davey|Ubuntu: Enable universe.
[11:29] <Davey|Ubuntu> Amaranth: Postgresql 8.0, MySQL 4.1, PHP
[11:29] <ivoks> :)
[11:29] <Davey|Ubuntu> universe?
[11:29] <ivoks> and multiverse
[11:29] <som1> IIIEars_ tell him to change etconfig.cfg and remove the first line - "unbindall"'
[11:29] <ivoks> and restricted :)
[11:29] <Davey|Ubuntu> how? :D
[11:29] <Echelon-H> hmm weird.
[11:29] <Amaranth> Davey|Ubuntu: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:29] <Echelon-H> I see it as a zip in the file manager
[11:29] <Amaranth> the comments tell you what to do
[11:29] <IIIEars__> Terriffic - Thank You.
[11:30] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: type ` file worldofwarcraft.sql.zip.sql
[11:30] <latis> any1 who knows a good DC client?
[11:30] <Amaranth> Davey|Ubuntu: Ubuntu doesn't have PHP5, pgsql 8, and I don't think it has MySQL 4.1 either. :/
[11:30] <thoreauputic> see what that says'
[11:30] <Echelon-H> and?
[11:30] <som1> IIIEars_ if he has more problems he can go on #etpro (in here, on freenode)
[11:30] <Amaranth> Davey|Ubuntu: You can try packages from Debian, as long as they're new (not replacing a library or something) and all of their dependencies are in Ubuntu.
[11:30] <Davey|Ubuntu> Amaranth: oh well I can compile from scratch ;)
[11:30] <IIIEars__> Sounds good. :)
[11:31] <latis> I wand a good Direct Connect client, any1 can tell me one?
[11:31] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: the "file" command tells you what sort of file it is
[11:31] <Amaranth> latis: dcgui?
[11:31] <lesshaste>  how do you tell which ones of your gaim accounts are "hidden"?
[11:31] <Echelon-H> worldofwarcraft.sql.zip.sql: ISO-8859 text, with very long lines, with CRLF line terminators
[11:31] <ArcSine> latis: valknut is the best
[11:32] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: evidently not a zip file then
[11:32] <Echelon-H> but everything else sees it as a 'zip'
[11:32] <Amaranth> lesshaste: hidden?
[11:33] <lampshade> Hi Ubuntu PEOPLE!
[11:33] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, im trying to open it with mysql-admin but I can't.
[11:33] <Davey|Ubuntu> uhm, what is the ubuntu-desktop package?
[11:33] <hitchhiker> Ubuntuers
[11:33] <Davey|Ubuntu> I'm guessing its bad to remove it
[11:34] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: sorry, I don't know an answer for you
[11:34] <Amaranth> it's just a metapackage
[11:34] <Echelon-H> k
[11:34] <Echelon-H> thx
[11:34] <Amaranth> Davey|Ubuntu: safe to remove
[11:34] <lampshade> Davey|Ubuntu:  I think I've removed that before with no problems
[11:34] <Davey|Ubuntu> isn't it like... the entire desktop system? heh
[11:34] <Amaranth> Davey|Ubuntu: It's just a metapackage, something that depends on other packages to provide a complete environment.
[11:34] <lesshaste> Amaranth, yes.. invisible to other people
[11:35] <Davey|Ubuntu> hmm
[11:35] <Amaranth> lesshaste: If you are for one you are for all, I think.
[11:35] <WeirdAl> Hi there.
[11:35] <Amaranth> hi
[11:35] <Davey|Ubuntu> why the heck would installing irssi-snapshot remove it though1?
[11:35] <Echelon-H> hmm, is there any chance a game will work faster on linux than windows
[11:35] <Amaranth> what else is irssi installing?
[11:35] <lesshaste> Amaranth, not for all accounts.  Gaim supports multiple accounts
[11:35] <Davey|Ubuntu> Amaranth: nothing
[11:35] <Ubuntian> hi all, a friend of mine has a wifi-card but there is no driver in ubuntu or .deb for it, but he found an rpm driver for it, if he does "sudo alien package_file.rpm" is it 90% sure that this driver is gonna work?
[11:36] <lewwy> omg dr who travels in time!
[11:36] <WeirdAl> When using ls -1 | xargs <command>, how do I solve problems with spaces and special characters in filenames?
[11:36] <Amaranth> Davey|Ubuntu: I think ubuntu-desktop depends on irssi. Replacing it removes ubuntu-desktop.
[11:36] <IIIEars__> Davey | Ubuntu - Imagine a shopping list with bread, eggs, and milk written on it all the things you might need to make a breakfast but not the breakfast itself.
[11:36] <Amaranth> Davey|Ubuntu: No big deal, until you upgrade to breezy.
[11:36] <Immortalis> Question: How do you remove mouse acceleration completely in Ubuntu?
[11:37] <lampshade> Echelon-H:  I've heard some games work much faster, stepmania is said to work much much faster in linux than windows.  (I haven't tried it but my friends tell me this)
[11:37] <grexk> Ubuntian TRY if it install correctly then it is...
[11:37] <som1> i know enemy territory works faster for me
[11:37] <som1> but thats because i use less ram in here
[11:37] <grexk> I already tried to alienized wine rpms and it works...
[11:37] <IIIEars__> I'll d/l the breezy CD thank you. - upgrades are scarey. - going to need a fresh start by then.
[11:38] <mpq> so why shouldn't we use breezy yet?
[11:38] <WeirdAl> Is there a simple command that will add an escaping \ in front of every space or bracket or whatever in a filename so that I can pipe the output of ls through it?
[11:38] <ivoks> DON'T USE BREEZY!
[11:38] <mpq> why not?
[11:38] <Echelon-H> hmm, why can't i find enemy territory in apt-cache search?
[11:38] <lewwy> its too windy :P
[11:38] <ivoks> because 75% of it is broken
[11:38] <mpq> THAT broken?
[11:38] <ivoks> THAT broken
[11:38] <mpq> how does ANYONE use it yet?
[11:39] <som1> echelon-h, enemy territory is a game ?
[11:39] <ivoks> whole libc and libc++ is broken
[11:39] <Echelon-H> som1 yes
[11:39] <lewwy> err
[11:39] <som1> it doesnt need anything special for ubuntu
[11:39] <ivoks> mpq: they don't do upgrades :)
[11:39] <lewwy> if breezy is broken
[11:39] <som1> works on all linux versions
[11:39] <lewwy> then why is it out
[11:39] <ivoks> lewwy: it isn't out :)
[11:39] <ivoks> it will be in october
[11:39] <Echelon-H> k
[11:39] <lewwy> whats gonna be so great about it
[11:39] <ivoks> lewwy: breezy get's updates every hour or so...
[11:40] <WeirdAl> Will it have esd? It'll be a step in the right direction if they take out esd.
[11:40] <som1> echelon-h u wanna try playing enemy territory?
[11:40] <IIIEars__> lewwy - It's something they call a colony release. not sure what that means but some few that don't mind agonizong days of tweaking have made Btreezy work.
[11:40] <mpq> so why does esd suck again?
[11:40] <WeirdAl> Because it's laggy.
[11:40] <som1> everything isnt set to work with esd, mpq
[11:40] <som1> because
[11:40] <WeirdAl> Mainly.
[11:40] <mpq> I know it does
[11:40] <mpq> I just want to know why
[11:40] <ivoks> esd is pice of crap
[11:40] <mpq> I know esd sucks
[11:41] <ivoks> big latency
[11:41] <Echelon-H> som1, yes
[11:41] <mpq> I'm wondering why
[11:41] <Ubuntian> grexk, well it's for a friend i'm trying to convert, if it was for me, yes i would just try
[11:41] <som1> echelon-h do u want a direct link or their website?
[11:41] <WeirdAl> Well if I knew that I'd fix it.
[11:41] <WeirdAl> As would anyone else.
[11:41] <grexk> OK then....
[11:41] <ivoks> it's design is bad
[11:41] <Ubuntian> grexk, but if i can tell him, yes, 90% sure it's gonna work...
[11:41] <ivoks> there are replacments
[11:41] <ivoks> like polypaudio
[11:42] <mpq> I use alsa
[11:42] <mpq> I think
[11:42] <WeirdAl> Most people do.
[11:42] <mpq> heh
[11:42] <Davey|Ubuntu> Amaranth: what was the menu editor you told me about?
[11:42] <Amaranth> It's called knowing how to symlink, rebuild, and patch things.
[11:42] <ivoks> mpq: esd uses esd too :)
[11:42] <IIIEars__> esd is probably okay. it's just that some developers forgot about it in writing their apps.
[11:42] <ivoks> mpq: esd uses alsa too :)
[11:42] <Echelon-H> I am downloading already, thx
[11:42] <Amaranth> Davey|Ubuntu: http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[11:42] <WeirdAl> wtf
[11:42] <WeirdAl> esd is a wrapper around alsa?
[11:42] <Amaranth> Davey|Ubuntu: Use the installsmeg script
[11:42] <Davey|Ubuntu> Amaranth: can I get it with apt-get?
[11:42] <ivoks> WeirdAl: esd is sound server
[11:42] <som1> echelon-h ok, if u want me to show u how the game works pm me sometime ;)
[11:43] <Amaranth> Davey|Ubuntu: No, it's not in hoary.
[11:43] <WeirdAl> Yeah so is OSS
[11:43] <ivoks> WeirdAl: alsa is driver for soundcard
[11:43] <WeirdAl> Why is ESD the default?
[11:43] <ivoks> WeirdAl: no... OS is driver
[11:43] <Amaranth> Davey|Ubuntu: I'm getting it into breezy once I finish 0.7
[11:43] <ivoks> oss
[11:43] <WeirdAl> oh isi t?
[11:43] <Davey|Ubuntu> Amaranth: there is a hoary deb... can I use that?
[11:43] <WeirdAl> k
[11:43] <mpq> because esd sucks?
[11:43] <ivoks> damn, typos :)
[11:43] <Amaranth> Davey|Ubuntu: The installsmeg script gets all the right dependencies and such. Use it.
[11:43] <som1> how can i make some program work with esd?
[11:43] <Amaranth> Davey|Ubuntu: It uses debs, so no worries there.
[11:43] <IIIEars__> esd allows apps to share the sound card simutaneously no?
[11:43] <Echelon-H> som1, I know the game, played under windows once
[11:43] <som1> oh, ok
[11:44] <Amaranth> IIIEars: Yes, that's one feature.
[11:44] <WeirdAl> som1, don't even try. If you turn esd off it'll use whatever.
[11:44] <som1> what was ur nick?
[11:44] <thoreauputic> IIIEars__: *supposedly*
[11:44] <Amaranth> IIIEars: It was meant to allow remote X sessions to actually get sound.
[11:44] <Davey|Ubuntu> ok, how do I run it? :)
[11:44] <Amaranth> Davey|Ubuntu: Applications->System Tools->Smeg Menu Editor
[11:44] <som1> ?
[11:44] <som1> turn it off?
[11:44] <WeirdAl> Yeah.
[11:44] <som1> ok, trying
[11:45] <IIIEars__> Amaranth - interesting. - so i can use esd to pipe sound to another device? - cool.
[11:45] <WeirdAl> killall -KILL esd
[11:45] <ivoks> IIIEars__: you can make alsa share the soundcard :)
[11:45] <Davey|Ubuntu> Amaranth: is there a reason why new items added (by applications) don't have their icons, but smeg can see them?!
[11:45] <WeirdAl> You can also go system > preferences > sound to stop it starting up.
[11:45] <som1> 11:45 /dev/dsp: Input/output error
[11:45] <som1> 11:45 Could not mmap /dev/dsp
[11:45] <d00d92> so whats the best way to complete and ultimately disable ipv6 in any way shape or form. my router (actiontec junk) doesn't play well with ipv6 so dns gets all messed.. i have v6 disabled in modprobe.d but that doesn't seem to completely do the job, any suggestions?
[11:45] <WeirdAl> Yeah, now make your app use something like alsa.
[11:45] <WeirdAl> Everybody wins \o/
[11:45] <Amaranth> Davey|Ubuntu: Smeg is smarter than gnome-menus. It knows how to get KDE icons. Also, sometimes you have to kill gnome-panel for it to get icons.
[11:46] <som1> dont i need esd?
[11:46] <Davey|Ubuntu> Amaranth: bleh
[11:46] <WeirdAl> No one needs esd
[11:46] <som1> cant i be special?
[11:46] <som1> it doesnt work when i turn off esd
[11:46] <som1> ill try something
[11:46] <WeirdAl> If by special you mean retarded :-)
[11:46] <ivoks> som1: what doesnt' work?
[11:46] <som1> it tries to mmap /dev/dsp
[11:46] <WeirdAl> And by retarded I mean laggy
[11:46] <Amaranth> Davey|Ubuntu: gnome-menus abuses gamin and fails from time to time. It sucks, but I think they're working on it.
[11:46] <ivoks> som1: what app?
[11:46] <som1> that doesnt work
[11:46] <som1> ivoks - enemy territory
[11:47] <ivoks> som1: you have to stop esd for that
[11:47] <WeirdAl> som1, have you got something else open that's using sound?
[11:47] <Amaranth> som1: System->Preferences->Multimedia Systems Selector
[11:47] <ivoks> Amaranth: lol
 can i ask sumthing
[11:47] <ivoks> Amaranth: that will not help him :)
[11:47] <som1> WeirdAl - no
[11:47] <Amaranth> som1: Go in there and change Default sink to alsa or oss.
[11:47] <som1> ivoks - i did killall esd
[11:47] <Amaranth> ivoks: ?
[11:47] <FreezerX> Although I ve set HISTCONTROL=ignoredups in .bashrc I still have dubble entries in the history!
[11:47] <som1> and thats something i can change.
[11:48] <ivoks> Amaranth: this game isn't compiled with gstreamer :)
[11:48] <Amaranth> ivoks: oh :P
[11:48] <Altke> hi.  how do i get a list of all available drives i can mount (i.e. hda1, hdb3, etc) ?
[11:48] <WeirdAl> sudo fdisk -l
[11:48] <ivoks> som1: lsof /dev/dsp will tell you what's using you soundcard
[11:48] <IIIEars__> Altke - fdisk -l
[11:48] <lesshaste> is there a rough ETA for Breezy Badger? I.e.
[11:48] <lewwy> argh
[11:48] <lesshaste> June or December?
[11:48] <Altke> thanks ^_^
[11:49] <lewwy> mythTV wont work with my tv tuner
[11:49] <WeirdAl> october
[11:49] <som1> ivoks, it doesnt return anything
[11:49] <ivoks> man...
[11:49] <ivoks> there isn't ETA
[11:49] <som1> am i supposed to use alsa?
[11:49] <lesshaste> WeirdAl, was that for me?
[11:49] <Amaranth> lesshaste: 5.10
[11:49] <lesshaste> ivoks, was that for me?
[11:49] <WeirdAl> Yeah I was regurgitating what someone said earlier though
[11:49] <lesshaste> Amaranth, thx
[11:49] <ivoks> lesshaste: yes :)
[11:49] <Amaranth> lesshaste: October 2005, iow
[11:49] <lesshaste> ivoks, thx
[11:49] <lesshaste> Amaranth, 10/05 :)
[11:49] <ivoks> ubuntu comes out every 6 months
[11:49] <_4strO> ohaio
[11:50] <jeff25> transparency on kde is slow :/
[11:50] <Amaranth> lesshaste: 5.10 is the version number, which is based on the year and month of release
[11:50] <lesshaste> ivoks, and the last one was April?
[11:50] <WeirdAl> I get a holiday on 10/05!
[11:50] <ivoks> lesshaste: yes
[11:50] <WeirdAl> 10/05/05
[11:50] <IIIEars__> Breezy Badger will be released in September?
[11:50] <Amaranth> If Ubuntu is still around in the year 3000 they'll be in trouble
[11:50] <lesshaste> ivoks, ah ok.
[11:50] <ivoks> omg
[11:50] <ivoks> OCTOBER!
[11:50] <mpq> "Breezy Badger"?
[11:50] <lesshaste> IIIEars, there is no "will be". I am asking about rough ideas
[11:50] <mpq> wasn't there going to be a grumpy groundhog or something?
[11:51] <WeirdAl> warty warthog?
[11:51] <lesshaste> mpq, maybe after the badger
[11:51] <Amaranth> mpq: That's something else now.
[11:51] <mpq> oh
[11:51] <Amaranth> No, no release will ever be called grumpy groundhog.
[11:51] <mpq> so I don't really follow it
[11:51] <WeirdAl> Damn, they really know how to name their releases.
[11:51] <IIIEars__> Satisfied with the when it's ready it will be released philosophy.
[11:51] <Altke> one more thing.  when i start ubuntu, how do i skip loading the graphical login and just console only?
[11:51] <som1> lsof /dev/dsp doesnt reply anything
[11:51] <WeirdAl> Such flair and finesse.
[11:51] <som1> with*
[11:52] <Altke> console/terminal
[11:52] <Amaranth> Altke: Do you ever want X and all that?
[11:52] <Amaranth> Altke: If not, install with the 'server' option.
[11:52] <Altke> yeah, but just this one time
[11:52] <lesshaste> IIIEars, I'm not :) I never liked that as it is clearly disengenuous. For example, one week before release the developers know they are near release. Why not tell you then
[11:52] <latis> my valknut cant get any userlists, I have filled my IP in as active and have 0.0.0.0 as Listen IP
[11:52] <ivoks> som1: that's one stoopid game :)
[11:52] <Altke> no button to hold down ?
[11:52] <pepsi> does x work in breezy yet?
[11:52] <latis> they just stay as idle in my queue
[11:52] <latis> what can be wrong?
[11:52] <som1> well
[11:52] <Altke> dats ok^_^  i'll work around it
[11:53] <som1> it seems no one else had a problem on ubuntu
[11:53] <lesshaste>  how do you get kdm to log you in without asking for a password?
[11:53] <ivoks> som1: try starting game now
[11:53] <som1> i did
[11:53] <mpq> something on my computer stopped working right
[11:53] <Amaranth> Altke: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=174272&postcount=2
[11:53] <Amaranth> ack, he left
 why not try to experiment with the xconf file....
[11:53] <mpq> I'm on a laptop and it used to automatically lock the screen when I closed it
[11:54] <mpq> now it doesn't
[11:54] <mpq> how do I get it to do that again?
[11:54] <som1> lesshaste /etc/init.d/?dm stop
[11:54] <Amaranth> mpq: Did it stop when you upgraded to hoary?
[11:54] <mpq> I'm not sure
[11:54] <IIIEars__> Never swim after an hour after eating, walk under a ladder, run with scissors or install beta software?
[11:54] <mpq> I don't think so
[11:54] <mpq> I think it stopped after
[11:54] <Amaranth> mpq: You are on hoary, right?
[11:55] <som1> beta software isnt that bad
[11:55] <mpq> yeah
[11:55] <Amaranth> after what?
[11:55] <lesshaste> som1, really? Don't I need to edit kdmrc or something?
[11:55] <grexk> lesshate edit /etc/gdm gdm conf file
[11:55] <mpq> it stopped sometime after I upgraded to hoary
[11:55] <som1> believe the smart people
[11:55] <grexk> or kdm conf file
[11:55] <som1> not me
[11:56] <zubuntu> hi folks :) daddy zubuntu's here :)
[11:56] <HappyFool> lesshaste: gnome ubuntu has a setting for 'automatic login' under System -> Administration -> Login screen setup; perhaps Kubuntu has something similar ?
[11:57] <WeirdAl> hello daddy
[11:57] <lesshaste> why do people here not use your nick! :)
[11:57] <lesshaste> HappyFool, thx
[11:57] <WeirdAl> Can you tell me how to pipe ls -1 into something so that it adds a \ in front of spaces and special characters in each filename?
[11:57] <WeirdAl> Or so that it adds quotation marks around the whole filename.
[11:57] <grexk> does anyone know how to enable different gui login in x(alt-8-10...), cause in xfree86 u can do that....help me pls
[11:58] <zubuntu> weiredAl, why the hell have you to do that? :)
[11:58] <WeirdAl> Because xargs throws a tantrum with spaces in the filenames.
[11:58] <zubuntu> aha..
[11:58] <som1> what needs to be changed in a game so it uses esd or oss?
[11:59] <yccheok> wat is the equivalent command for ipconfig in linux??
[11:59] <zubuntu> don't know actually
[11:59] <HappyFool> if you use find instead of ls, you can get it to put nulls ('\0') between the filenames
[11:59] <lesshaste> yccheok, ifconfig
[11:59] <som1> yccheok ifconfig
[11:59] <grexk> ifconfig
[11:59] <lesshaste> WeirdAl, a very good question.. try #bash as well
[12:00] <zubuntu> I'll always wonder why should a natural man use such stuff
[12:00] <yccheok> how i can use that command to check my default gateway, default dns??
[12:00] <WeirdAl> Is #bash on this server? <tries>
[12:00] <WeirdAl> yay
[12:00] <HappyFool> WeirdAl: try this, e.g., find . -maxdepth 1 -print0|xargs -0n 1 echo
[12:01] <HappyFool> the -print0 and -0 arguments tell find/xargs to use a null separator convention
[12:01] <zubuntu> isn't there any graphical piece of software to use instead of these command lines?
[12:01] <zubuntu> really?
[12:01] <michel_v> yo
[12:01] <lesshaste> zubuntu, what do you mean?
[12:01] <zubuntu> michel_v, the guy behind cafelog? b2?
[12:01] <geargolem> what does macros in open office do?
[12:01] <som1> what do i need to change in a game so it uses esd or something that should work in here?
[12:02] <WeirdAl> HappyFool, that just listed files
[12:02] <michel_v> in Hoary, is there a more recent xserver-xorg package that actually includes libpcidata.a?
[12:02] <michel_v> zubuntu: the one
[12:02] <som1> in here=ubuntu
[12:02] <WeirdAl> I'm tryina do stuff with directories :-)
[12:02] <HappyFool> WeirdAl: indeed. it was an example
[12:02] <zubuntu> lesshaste, i mean i think ubuntu is a desktop distro and by fact should be accessible
[12:02] <WeirdAl> I'll ask in #bash
[12:02] <zubuntu> michel_v, enchante mon gars. I liked the job :)
[12:02] <HappyFool> read the find and xargs man / info pages
[12:02] <michel_v> zubuntu: thanks :p
[12:03] <lesshaste> zubuntu, you mean have pictures for all of bash? :)
[12:03] <zubuntu> michel_v, it's sincere, thanks :)
[12:03] <Echelon-H> I am having a problem with mysql-admin
[12:03] <zubuntu> lesshaste :) i'm a science computer ingineer :)
[12:04] <Echelon-H> the last location I tried to backup was from a cdrom, and now when I'm running it, it will always crush because it can't find the cdrom
[12:04] <Echelon-H> how can I change that / ignore bugs or something?
[12:04] <zubuntu> lesshaste, i meant for a distro like ubuntu, stuff should be intuitive
[12:04] <HappyFool> Echelon-H: try #mysql
[12:04] <Echelon-H> I even tried to reinstall but it still saves the location so it doesn't really helps
[12:04] <som1> ?
[12:04] <Echelon-H> HappyFool, there's no one really there.
[12:04] <som1> what does a program need to use esd instead of whatever it uses?
[12:04] <lesshaste> zubuntu, which stuff?
[12:04] <Solatis> Echelon-H: not even on efnet or ircnet ?
[12:05] <lesshaste> zubuntu, doing "ls -l|xargs" ?
[12:06] <zubuntu> command line, dark screen and such --i'm talking about those folk that don't know much about un OS, simple users. knowing that ubuntu is after all a desktop distro
[12:06] <zubuntu> lesshaste, yes "ls -l|xarg". you and I know what it does mean but not the average "ubuntu" user
[12:08] <som1> so what ur saying
[12:08] <klaas_> hi all, i've got a problem with opening .wmv files, i can see them, but the sound is fucked up
[12:08] <som1> that a graphical operation system is easier?
[12:08] <zubuntu> anyway, I was suggesting only to make ubuntu more accessible. I didn't meant to stop using the command line :)
[12:08] <Echelon-H> i cant send to channel there
[12:09] <zubuntu> som1, yes with a mouse and buttons instead of learning commands. It's the basivcs of accessibility and usability
[12:09] <Echelon-H> anyways, how can i COMPLETLY remove everything in mysql-admin? for some reason even with purge after I reinstall it keeps the cache
[12:09] <som1> i always say that to whoever tries to make a distro
[12:09] <som1> its not a problem making it easier :)
[12:09] <zubuntu> michel_v, are you under ubuntu?
[12:09] <som1> tries=already has
[12:09] <Amaranth> Davey|Ubuntu: If you want to see why the GNOME menu fails to update or get icons at random times see http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160194
[12:10] <zubuntu> som1, we're on the same line :)
[12:10] <HappyFool> Echelon-H: try     locate 'mysql*'      perhaps, or scratch around in /var  for data
[12:10] <som1> ok, i wont say funny stuff.
[12:10] <som1> zubuntu - u/we/us can do that ourselves too..
[12:11] <som1> ubuntu is trying to be more accessible
[12:11] <som1> its great ;)
[12:11] <zubuntu> sure
[12:11] <Echelon-H> .'
[12:11] <zubuntu> I believe in such a project! my pseudo is ubuntu a mixture of zulu and ubuntu ;)
[12:11] <som1> echelon-h where are u from?
[12:12] <zubuntu> china, maybe?
[12:12] <som1> no hes from israel
[12:12] <som1> im from israel too
[12:12] <som1> its a small country
[12:12] <lesshaste> zubuntu, you would have to come up with specific examples of usefull GUI tools
[12:12] <zubuntu> with walls allaround :)
[12:12] <som1> true :D
[12:13] <geargolem> what is macros for?
[12:13] <michel_v> zubuntu: not at the moment. I have little to no idea how to set up a dialup connection in ubuntu out of graphical stuff
[12:13] <som1> oo.. i wanna make a gui os
[12:13] <HappyFool> geargolem: they are usually a tool for automating common tasks
[12:13] <michel_v> zubuntu: and since the xserver-xorg package shipped with Hoary's install CD is f***ed up, I can't start X
[12:14] <HappyFool> michel_v: tried pppconfig
[12:14] <ugenn> what's a good genesis emulator?
[12:14] <zubuntu> lesshaste, I didn't meant for a specifical problem but I was talking about the general aim of ubuntu ansd I suggested to develop stuff to give the average user a chance to use this nice OS
[12:14] <geargolem> what about the one in openoffice?
[12:14] <HappyFool> geargolem: i imagine it's for the same thing
[12:14] <lesshaste> zubuntu, see my previous comment :)
[12:14] <geargolem> HappyFool thank you
[12:14] <zubuntu> michel_v, ailleuh!
[12:14] <HappyFool> michel_v: xserver-xorg works fine here
[12:14] <Echelon-H> som1, israel
[12:14] <som1> if i do have ideas of useful gui tools.. what do i do with that?
[12:15] <HappyFool> michel_v: what problem are you having?
[12:15] <som1> i know where in israel? :)
[12:15] <michel_v> HappyFool: I'll try that. I reckon having used that ages ago
[12:15] <rimmer> hi
[12:15] <rimmer> I need help
[12:15] <som1> ask
[12:15] <zubuntu> michel_v, is X not starting after G/XDM ?
[12:15] <michel_v> HappyFool: Xorg's binary always loads pcidata. except xserver-xorg as shipped on the CD doesn't provide libpcidata.a
[12:15] <RiMMER> how can I install xmms?
[12:15] <zubuntu> hi rimmer
[12:15] <RiMMER> I'm newbie
[12:16] <som1> rimmer - apt-get install xmms
[12:16] <HiddenWolf> rimmer, why of all names that nick? :P
[12:16] <HappyFool> michel_v: hm
[12:16] <zubuntu> rimmer, wer'er all newbies:)
[12:16] <RiMMER> rimmer@rimmer:~$ apt-get install xmms
[12:16] <RiMMER> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[12:16] <RiMMER> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[12:16] <som1> sudo apt-get install xmms
[12:17] <RiMMER> rimmer@rimmer:~$ sudo apt-get install xmms
[12:17] <RiMMER> Reading package lists... Done
[12:17] <RiMMER> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:17] <RiMMER> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:17] <RiMMER> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:17] <RiMMER> is only available from another source
[12:17] <RiMMER> E: Package xmms has no installation candidate
[12:17] <RiMMER> :(
[12:17] <theD3viL> Where in xorg.conf set no acceleration for mouse??
[12:17] <Davey|Ubuntu> how does one tell what version apt-get install would install?
[12:17] <HappyFool> michel_v: i have it here: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a
[12:17] <RiMMER> were's the problem
[12:17] <som1> rimmer did u set apt to use online resources?
[12:17] <som1> or something like that
[12:17] <RiMMER> no, I don't know how
[12:18] <RiMMER> but maybe if you help me out I will be able to do it:)
[12:18] <som1> edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:18] <thoreauputic> RiMMER: PLEASE don't paste in the channel!
[12:18] <HappyFool> michel_v: and it's a part of the xserver-xorg package
[12:18] <RiMMER> ok sorry
[12:18] <zubuntu> michel_v, maybe a fond problem, you know...
[12:18] <michel_v> HappyFool: I don't. that's the problem
[12:18] <zubuntu> som1, rimmer can use the menu! why a command line :)
[12:18] <RiMMER> oh, btw, what's the root password? I have just installed ubuntu and I wasn't asked for super user password
[12:18] <som1> he can do alot of things
[12:18] <zubuntu> nothing
[12:19] <som1> what i dont like is using my mouse ;)
[12:19] <Davey|Ubuntu> RiMMER: su && passwd :)
[12:19] <zubuntu> lol
[12:19] <som1> atm, linux users do have to learn the right commands
[12:19] <RiMMER> what?
[12:19] <HiddenWolf> rimmer, ubuntu doesn't enable root by default
[12:19] <zubuntu> som1 hates the mouse!! what a cat!!!
[12:19] <michel_v> RiMMER: sudo passwd, if you want to set a root password. otherwise, you can do sudo -s with the first user you created, and then give your user's password
[12:19] <HappyFool> michel_v: what distribution are you running ? hoary on a i386 (i.e., normal PC) ?
[12:19] <zubuntu> nick som1 Tom
[12:19] <liable> RiMMER: male or female?
[12:19] <RiMMER> male
[12:19] <som1> its in use, zubuntu :(
[12:19] <RiMMER> sorry I'm first-time linux user
[12:20] <som1> rimmer - su = going on root
[12:20] <som1> sudo= do something as root
[12:20] <zubuntu> som1, tom_vs_jerruy :)
[12:20] <som1> su = super user
[12:20] <IIIEars> Welcome to Ubuntu linux RiMER :)
[12:20] <RiMMER> root asks for password
[12:20] <RiMMER> I don't have root password
[12:20] <som1> !
[12:20] <IIIEars> It's your user password
[12:20] <HappyFool> sudo asks for *your* password
[12:20] <zubuntu> rimmer, don't have to be sorry, you're welcome bro :)
[12:20] <RiMMER> my user password doesn't work :(
[12:20] <liable> RiMMER: sudo su
[12:20] <som1> lol
[12:20] <RiMMER> aha now it works ;)
[12:20] <zubuntu> the default password is a blank one
[12:21] <som1> no one would guess a blank password
[12:21] <som1> !
[12:21] <zubuntu> ! lol
[12:21] <som1> !
[12:21] <liable> RiMMER: very bad nick, conjurs up dirty thoughts :)
[12:21] <RiMMER> I can't edit sources list, do you know why ?
[12:21] <som1> rimmer - u have to open it as root
[12:21] <zubuntu> ever heard about the story of victor hugo and his editor?
[12:22] <HappyFool> you can change the repositories with synaptic
[12:22] <liable> RiMMER: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:22] <zubuntu> happyfool, that's what i told, but som1 hates his mouse :)
[12:22] <michel_v> HappyFool: actually, here dpkg -L xserver-xorg doesn't list libpcidata.a, even though the package's version is 6.8.2-10
[12:23] <michel_v> HappyFool: yeah, Hoary on x86
[12:23] <mpq> flash is really buggy
[12:23] <IIIEars> actually the root account is locked you can renable the lock "passwd root -l "
[12:23] <zubuntu> michel_v didn't work from the first time or after configuring xdm?
[12:23] <mpq> flash is really really buggy in linux
[12:24] <zubuntu> mpq, why?
[12:24] <mpq> I don't know why
[12:24] <mpq> it just doesn't work right
[12:24] <zubuntu> it works fine for me under firefocx and konqueror
[12:24] <som1> how can i make something use esd ?
[12:24] <mpq> for one some text never displays
[12:24] <mpq> and a lot of it is weird
[12:24] <navreet> how can I get flash under amd64?
[12:24] <IIIEars> Typing "users" and "whoami" will give you useful info
[12:25] <jeff25> mpq, and it uses like 80% cpu
[12:25] <mpq> what?
[12:25] <michel_v> zubuntu: it never worked. it's just searching for a file that it doesn't provide
[12:25] <zubuntu> jeff25, oh yeah that's a fact too
[12:25] <HappyFool> michel_v: i don't know how to fix this. one possibility is reinstalling the xserver-xorg package (it should be on the cd), or just doing a complete reinstall
[12:25] <som1> ?
[12:25] <som1> how can i tell a program to use esd?
[12:25] <mpq> som1: don't
[12:25] <zubuntu> michel_v, ah ok :)
[12:25] <som1> WELL, i want sound to work!
[12:25] <som1> how can i make it work?
[12:25] <mpq> use alsa
[12:25] <mpq> esd won't make sound work
[12:26] <som1> IT doesnt use alsa. how can i make it use alsa?
[12:26] <som1> :(
[12:26] <mpq> I don't remember
[12:26] <michel_v> HappyFool: tried both. I think the package shipped on the cd I got is just rubbish :/
[12:26] <som1> evil
[12:26] <jeff25> what is 'it' ?
[12:26] <som1> enemy territory
[12:26] <HappyFool> michel_v: as i said, it works here ;) and many, many other places
[12:26] <jeff25> esd is really slow too
[12:26] <zubuntu> is there a place wher i can download a rat.gz of apache+mysql+php .debs?
[12:26] <thoreauputic> som1: go to http://ubuntuguide.org and follow the "fixing sound" directions
[12:26] <som1> i did "fix sound"
[12:27] <som1> thats not it
[12:27] <jeff25> you're better off with oss
[12:27] <thoreauputic> som1: worked for me
[12:27] <som1> it still doesnt work
[12:27] <som1> on enemy territory?
[12:27] <jeff25> som1: kill the esd daemon and tell your 'it' to use oss
[12:27] <NicP> what sound card do you have som1?
[12:27] <som1> jeff25 - how? maybe im not doing it right
[12:27] <thoreauputic> som1: open alsamixer and check thet none of the channels are muted (mm)
[12:27] <som1> nicp - sis7012
[12:27] <zubuntu> som1, maybe a question of rights on sound driver?
[12:27] <thoreauputic> som1: hit m to unmute them
[12:27] <NicP> hmm
[12:27] <NicP> thoreauputic som1: open alsamixer and check thet none of the channels are muted (mm)
[12:27] <som1> throeauputic - it gives out an ERROR
[12:27] <NicP> try that
[12:28] <HappyFool> zubuntu: use synaptic. all of those packages are available. The actual debs are available on the ubuntu servers (e.g., archive.ubuntu.com)
[12:28] <thoreauputic> som1: what does? alsamixer?
[12:28] <som1> theorauptic - the game
[12:28] <zubuntu> Happyfool, my machine's at home and i don't have Internet there.
[12:28] <thoreauputic> som1: *sigh* try what I suggested please
[12:28] <IIIEars> heh
[12:28] <Mez> hey thoreauputic, long time no speak
[12:28] <HappyFool> zubuntu: then try packages.ubuntu.com
[12:29] <HappyFool> you will manually have to resolve dependencies, though
[12:29] <zubuntu> i just worry about the dependencies
[12:29] <HappyFool> indeed
[12:29] <IIIEars> thoreapitic - you are wonderful.
[12:29] <zubuntu> that's what i thought too :(
[12:29] <sdogi> so, how can i get rid of that error that comes when upgrading kubuntu
[12:29] <som1> /dev/dsp: Input/output error
[12:29] <som1> Could not mmap /dev/dsp
[12:30] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: no, I'm pretty ordinary actually
[12:30] <IIIEars> eye stile canned spall.
[12:30] <michel_v> HappyFool: yeah, that's what irks me so much. it works for everyone. but me :P
[12:30] <Mez> som1 - ls /dev/dsp*
[12:30] <Mez> see if anything shows u
[12:30] <zubuntu> som1 sudo gedit /etc/.inittab (really grafikal) ;)
[12:30] <som1> /dev/dsp
[12:30] <Mez> you may just have nothing linked to dsp
[12:30] <HappyFool> michel_v: you *did* verify the CD using mdsum, right ? (bit of a long shot...)
[12:30] <Mez> reboot ;)
[12:30] <IIIEars> would spilling coffee on a keyboard fix the earlier pepsi spill?
[12:30] <som1> i did reboot, it didnt change
[12:31] <newbie> hey
[12:31] <newbie> my ubuntu got frozen
[12:31] <jeff25> ls -l /dev/dsp
[12:31] <newbie> not responding
[12:31] <Mez> newbie - reboot
[12:31] <zubuntu> HappyFool, I just need the minimum and my connexion is, sorry, but really shity
[12:31] <newbie> does anyone know why ?
[12:31] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> please , is there a ppc channel ?
[12:31] <pepsi> IIIEars, hi
[12:31] <IIIEars> Hi
[12:31] <newbie> Mez I did, I had to force reboot
[12:31] <thoreauputic> som1: have you tried alsamixer? Are those errors from alsamixer?
[12:31] <Mez> and it still freezing now?
[12:31] <newbie> dunno, let's see ;)
[12:31] <thoreauputic> som1: do please try it if you haven't yet
[12:31] <zubuntu> som1, sounds works for root but not for users?
[12:31] <som1> thoreauputic - alsamixer works fine. its from the game
[12:31] <newbie> anyway, I still can't install xmms and still don't know how to
[12:31] <som1> zubuntu - no
[12:31] <Mez> newbie, even the bet of OSs crash at some point
[12:32] <som1> doesnt work for anyone
[12:32] <Mez> newbie
[12:32] <pepsi> IIIEars, if you spilled pepsi in the keyboard, id suggest taking it apart to wash and dry it as soon as possible
[12:32] <som1> thoreauputic i did
[12:32] <Mez> open a console
[12:32] <Mez> and ype
[12:32] <Mez> sudo apt-get install xmms
[12:32] <jeff25> newbie: sudo apt-get install xmms
[12:32] <thoreauputic> som1: I UNDERSSTAND that: but are there any muted channels?
[12:32] <pepsi> IIIEars, itll start to corrode the traces on the plastic sheets inside the keyboard
[12:32] <jeff25> :P
[12:32] <som1> thoreauputic there were. i un-muted them
[12:32] <newbie> Mez, can I query you ?
[12:32] <IIIEars> pepsi - buying a gross of cheap keyboards is my plan ;)
[12:32] <Mez> keep it in public for now
[12:32] <pepsi> but washing and drying it could prevent any problems
[12:33] <newbie> I need to paste what console wrote
[12:33] <Mez> #flood
[12:33] <liable> zubuntu: whats that got to do with ubuntu?
[12:33] <bpuccio> newbie: #flood or try http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/
[12:33] <liable> zubuntu: more like actuall system
[12:33] <thoreauputic> newbie: or pastebin.ubuntu.com
[12:33] <som1> zubuntu, isnt that on all countries?
[12:33] <som1> 220v
[12:33] <Mez> newbie...
[12:33] <Mez> do
[12:33] <Mez> sudo apt-get update
[12:33] <thoreauputic> bpuccio: wrong url I think
[12:33] <liable> whats that? sunday?
[12:33] <Mez> then tryreinstall
[12:33] <jeff25> man 220v is a lot... that would fry your butt good
[12:33] <Mez> (try the install line again)
[12:33] <newbie> done
[12:34] <som1> thoreauputic - there are some muted but nothing special, btw
[12:34] <newbie> ok wait
[12:34] <michel_v> som1: it's far from being the same in all countries :)
[12:34] <newbie> still the same problem
[12:34] <som1> thoreauputic center and line
[12:34] <newbie> but update ..done
[12:34] <zubuntu> som1, no not in .be
[12:34] <Mez> Hmm..
[12:34] <som1> computers dont work in belgium?
[12:34] <zubuntu> and in usa it's not 220v, no?
[12:34] <Mez> paste a copy of your /etc/apt/sources.list in #flood
[12:35] <zubuntu> som1, i think so
[12:35] <newbie> ok
[12:35] <som1> usa has to be special
[12:35] <zubuntu> allways..
[12:35] <jeff25> in us it's 110v
[12:35] <som1> lol
[12:35] <zubuntu> lol
[12:35] <som1> in here its 220v and im on ubuntu
[12:35] <Mez> sudo cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:35] <zubuntu> i wonder how a lamp system could work there
[12:35] <newbie> k
[12:36] <som1> it doesnt, they use sun light
[12:36] <trygvebw> Hi
[12:36] <som1> very primitive
[12:36] <som1> ;)
[12:36] <trygvebw> Is there a GNOME application that can read CHM files?
[12:36] <zubuntu> a LINUX+Apache+Mysql+Php
[12:36] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> please , is there a channel  for the ppc version ?
[12:36] <HappyFool> ToutPT|ppc|fr: perhaps just ask your question here
[12:37] <trygvebw> ToutPT|ppc|fr, no, but you can ask here
[12:37] <Mez> Newbie
[12:37] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> that s a matter with the apple keymap
[12:37] <HappyFool> i see #ubuntu-ppc has all of 1 member
[12:37] <newbie> da
[12:37] <Mez> change the line # deb http://sk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[12:37] <Mez> to
[12:37] <Mez> deb http://sk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[12:37] <Mez> (remove the hash)
[12:37] <newbie> how can I change it ?
[12:37] <Mez> and the line
[12:37] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> HappyFool: this is me no ?
[12:38] <Mez> actually
[12:38] <Mez> wtf
[12:38] <rrichie> hi all
[12:38] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> arf no
[12:38] <trygvebw> hello rrichie
[12:38] <Mez> just remove the # from teh start of EVERY line that has the word deb at the start of it
[12:38] <rrichie> can i downgrade from breezy to hoary ?
[12:38] <zubuntu> well, got to go :( nice to have a chat with you guys :)
[12:38] <norm_> hi - i'm having trouble with getting my wlan with WPA up and running - i've pasted the output of sudo wpa_supplicant -i eth1 -d to http://pub.mcnally.dk/ubuntu_wlan.txt
[12:38] <HappyFool> cheers zubuntu
[12:38] <trygvebw> rrichie, i think so, ask on #ubuntu-devel or search the wiki
[12:39] <Mez> newbie: PM
[12:39] <jacquesmerde> why is sound juicer progressing at ony (0.7x)? not complaining, just curious..
[12:39] <zubuntu> BTW, guys... isn't there any girl here? it's kinda hormono-sadness
[12:39] <trygvebw> jacquesmerde, no idea, it's a known problem with sound juicer in ubuntu :/
[12:40] <thoreauputic> zubuntu: we get a few: they don't always advertise ;)
[12:40] <zubuntu> jaquesmerde, I bet you're french! lol
[12:40] <thoreauputic> zubuntu: he's an aussie AFAIK
[12:40] <thoreauputic> :)
[12:40] <zubuntu> thoreauputic, aha ... they miss a lot: ME! :)
[12:41] <jacquesmerde> trygvebw, so its an ubuntu problem, not a gnome one? ok. but i want it ripped noooooooow
[12:41] <trygvebw> jacquesmerde, try using another ripper
[12:41] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: try grip
[12:41] <trygvebw> jacquesmerde, or ask on #ubuntu-devel for a technical explanation :)
[12:41] <jacquesmerde> trygvebw, is there one in the main repos?
[12:41] <trygvebw> jacquesmerde, grip
[12:41] <zubuntu> jaquesmerde, c'est quoi ton probleme mon ami?
[12:41] <thoreauputic> trygvebw: don't direct people to #ubuntu-devel :)
[12:41] <jeff25> jacquesmerde: make sure to turn on DMA mode for your cd drive
[12:42] <jacquesmerde> is grip better? i dont really like installed software, and i dont think the increase in speed will justify it
[12:42] <jacquesmerde> jeff25, whoshotwhointhewhatnow?
[12:42] <trygvebw> thoreauputic, to ask for a technical explanation? they can't get that here... ;)
[12:42] <thoreauputic> grip is much more configurable
[12:42] <jeff25> jacquesmerde: ?
[12:42] <jacquesmerde> will #ubuntu-devel tell me why ubuntu struggles with (u)mounting optical drives?
[12:42] <thoreauputic> trygvebw: #ubuntu-devel; isn't a help channel :)
[12:43] <jacquesmerde> jeff25, my cd drive has a DMA mode?
[12:43] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: they will probably send you right back here
[12:43] <trygvebw> thoreauputic, no, but i wasn't telling he to ask for help, just for an explanation of why it's slower than in other distros.. :)
[12:43] <zubuntu> well bye boys :) jaquesmerdes: like french musicians say: merde pour le concert :) I meant for the bug
[12:44] <jacquesmerde> if only i could rips cds at (x1.0000000000000000000000000000000001)
[12:44] <scythe> hello all, could use some help on a startup script
[12:45] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: some people have had a speed up by turning off "paranoia" in grip
[12:46] <scythe> i have a script set up to turn on dma for my cdrom, its located in /etc/rc5.d
[12:46] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, doesnt matter. i'll stick with 0.7 in juicer. thanks anyway
[12:46] <scythe> i can run it from there, but it wont run at startup, any clues?
[12:46] <mcsf> here's my problem: i can't upgrade linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 to version 2.6.10-34.1, i get an error about /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko'. apparently i can't overwrite the file.
[12:46] <HappyFool> scythe: considered using /etc/hdparm.conf instead ?
[12:47] <scythe> didnt know that file existed... bbl
[12:47] <HappyFool> scythe: otherwise, i think the default runlevel is 2
[12:47] <klaas_> hi all, i've got a problem with opening .wmv files, i can see them, but the sound is fucked up
[12:48] <scythe> i dont get why the rl would matter when I am trying to do it for rl 5 only
[12:48] <thoreauputic> klaas_: have you installed w32codecs?
[12:48] <HappyFool> place the script in /etc/init.d, and link to it from /etc/rc2.d -- you'll want a link name of the form Snncustom
[12:49] <HappyFool> scythe: you sure you're in runlevel 5 ?
[12:49] <scythe> ahhh, i had it linked from /home/username/custom to /etc/rc5.d S98custom
[12:49] <klaas_> thoreauputic, yes i have
[12:49] <scythe> im in x
[12:49] <klaas_> thoreauputic, some files work, others give me the beep sound
[12:49] <HappyFool> scythe: try 'runlevel' -- i think you'll find it says 2
[12:49] <thoreauputic> scythe: ubuntu uses rl 2 for X, and 5 is not used unless you have configured it in some way
[12:50] <scythe> oh, that could explain it
[12:50] <Fator_Dee> hello \o
[12:50] <scythe> i thought rl 5 was default for x with networking
[12:50] <thoreauputic> scythe: almost certainly, yes
[12:50] <HappyFool> scythe: caught me out too ;)
[12:50] <thoreauputic> scythe: not in Debian-based distros
[12:50] <HappyFool> scythe: i'd use /etc/hdparm.conf anyway
[12:51] <scythe> my hdparm.conf says /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 has dma on, but it doesn't seem to work
[12:51] <Mez> scythe... Justin?
[12:51] <scythe> it should just say /dev/cdrom0 right?
[12:51] <scythe> no, not justin
[12:52] <Mez> ah ok ;) I know womsone else by that nicvk
[12:52] <HappyFool> scythe: isn't that commented out ?
[12:52] <scythe> yeah
[12:52] <HappyFool> scythe: i added an entry /dev/hdc {<newline> dma=on<newline>}
[12:52] <scythe> still getting the hand of this scripting thing
[12:52] <HappyFool> scythe: /dev/hdc {<newline> dma = on<newline>}, sorry
[12:53] <HappyFool> i think hdparm.conf is quite finicky about the spaces around the '='
[12:53] <scythe> new to debian based
[12:53] <GNAM> hi all! if I update kernel with synaptic, my pc will die?
[12:54] <thoreauputic> GNAM: no, it will just be in agony ;)
[12:54] <thoreauputic> GNAM: seriously, it will be fine
[12:55] <GNAM> yesterday this operation crashed only menu.lst and x
[12:55] <GNAM> today may be more interesting ;)
[12:55] <thoreauputic> GNAM: there was a problem, but it has been fixed I believe
[12:55] <newbie> hey, my bass/treble switch doesn't work, why? :(
[12:55] <GNAM> "I believe" is a good Molder slogan
[12:55] <thoreauputic> GNAM: unless this is Breezy, in which case, good luck
[12:56] <GNAM> I Want to believe sorry
[12:56] <som1> how can i make something start when i start ubuntu?
[12:56] <som1> i wanna do
[12:56] <GNAM> believe ;)
[12:56] <GNAM> no, hoary official
[12:56] <som1> echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss
[12:56] <som1> (;
[12:56] <som1> just got the command wrong.. right.. only that.
[12:57] <scythe> what is the advantage of running in rl 2 instead of 5.... there has to be a reason debian based distros do that
[12:57] <HappyFool> scythe: probably entirely arbitrary
[12:57] <thoreauputic> scythe: I haven't a clue: but it works
[12:57] <newbie> where are some nice wallpapers I can use?
[12:58] <thoreauputic> scythe: debian just doesn't play silly runlevel games ;-)
[12:58] <IIIEars__> newbie gnome-look.org
[12:58] <newbie> thx
[12:58] <scythe> all linux systems play silly rl games..... just the rules are different
[12:58] <thoreauputic> scythe: :)
[12:59] <HappyFool> som1: write a little script to do what you want, and make a symbolic link to it in /etc/rc2.d/ with name something like Snncustom, where nn is a number like 95
[12:59] <IIIEars__> thoreaputic - "ispell" Okay i can't but their is a nice script for xchat
[12:59] <HappyFool> som1: or just write a wrapper script for your game, and do it in there
[01:00] <scythe> how do I rerun the hdparm.conf without rebooting
[01:00] <IIIEars__> ouch lol their?
[01:00] <mcsf> here's my problem: i can't upgrade linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 to version 2.6.10-34.1, i get an error about /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko'. btw, i can't open the file with gedit, and nautilius can't read it
[01:01] <thoreauputic> IIIEars__: you still haven't got the tab complete habit for nicks, have you *grin*
[01:01] <emacsen> Is there not an iSCSI initiator package?
[01:01] <newbie> can anyone give me some nice wallpaper they like ?
[01:01] <HappyFool> scythe: at a guess , "/etc/init.d/hdparm restart"
[01:01] <IIIEars__> thorea, - nope. - wide grin
[01:01] <scythe> told you I was new to this whole scripting thing :)
[01:02] <thoreauputic> IIeeeearS, I see
[01:02] <som1> happyfool - how ?
[01:02] <scythe> thanx, that worked like a charm
[01:02] <theD3viL> Where in xorg.conf set no acceleration for mouse??
[01:03] <HappyFool> newbie: try apt-get install ubuntu-calendar -- i quite like april's wallpaper
[01:03] <HappyFool> som1: what do you want to know?
[01:03] <thoreauputic> HappyFool: but where is the May calendar??
[01:04] <newbie> HappyFool, when I downloaded it, where can I run it ?
[01:04] <som1> to make the game do that one line.. echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss
[01:04] <HappyFool> thoreauputic: indeed. I shall write a stern letter to Canonical to inquire!
[01:04] <som1> but last time it didnt work, the way i tried it
[01:04] <HappyFool> newbie: it should install the wallpaper automatically
[01:04] <som1> so how am i supposed to do it?
[01:04] <thoreauputic> newbie: the new wallpaper will be in the wallpaper chooser dialog
[01:04] <HappyFool> newbie: err, or what thoreauputic said
[01:05] <HappyFool> som1: write a script with two commands, the first that one (your echo command) and then second command to call the game
[01:05] <HappyFool> som1: the script should have as first line #!/bin/bash , and as second and third lines your commands. You can create it with gedit, or whatever you like
[01:05] <som1> yes i did that
[01:06] <som1> oh
[01:06] <thoreauputic> som1: make it executable with chmod +x
[01:06] <som1> thanks
[01:06] <HappyFool> make sure it's executable -- you can change the file properties with nautilus
[01:06] <HappyFool> or chmod ;)
[01:06] <HappyFool> then you can make a launcher from the top panel to it, and start your game with a single click
[01:07] <som1> it has a command to start.. "et", how can i know where is that file of et located?
[01:07] <som1> slocate et = spam
[01:07] <scythe> happy, that sounds like a lot of work :P
[01:07] <poningru> guys I had a question
[01:07] <poningru> for the conf files
[01:07] <HappyFool> som1: try 'which et'
[01:07] <Fator_Dee> som1: I'd guess /usr/bin/et
[01:07] <som1> thx
[01:07] <poningru> does the order matter?
[01:08] <som1> /usr/local/bin/et :P
[01:08] <poningru> like instead of
[01:08] <Fator_Dee> :-p
[01:08] <poningru> Section "Monitor"
[01:08] <poningru> Identifier "L1710S"
[01:08] <poningru> Option "DPMS"
[01:08] <poningru> can I do
[01:08] <thenuke> why this torrent does not work? http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso.torrent
[01:08] <poningru> Section "Monitor"
[01:08] <poningru> Option "DPMS"
[01:08] <poningru> Identifier "L1710S"
[01:08] <Fator_Dee> tracker is busted?
[01:08] <som1> yes it had #!/bin/bash at the start but it didnt work before
[01:08] <thenuke> it has been broken for ages, the download does not start
[01:08] <HappyFool> thenuke: see the topic
[01:08] <som1> will try now
[01:08] <thenuke> HappyFool:  ah ok, too long topic in here :)
[01:09] <shanon> poningru: yes as long as it is in the section
[01:09] <som1> #!/bin/sh echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss
[01:09] <thoreauputic> thenuke: to read the topic just type /topic
[01:09] <som1> cd "/usr/local/games/enemy-territory"
[01:09] <som1> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:.
[01:09] <som1> exec ./et.x86 "$@"
[01:09] <som1> like that?
[01:09] <thoreauputic> thenuke: good habit
[01:09] <poningru> shanon: so wait the order doesnt matter?
[01:09] <poningru> and what I showed was fine?
[01:09] <HappyFool> som1: the echo must be on its own line
[01:10] <HappyFool> ie, not on the same line as #!/bin/bash
[01:10] <thenuke> thoreauputic: yeah I did that
[01:10] <shanon> poningru: That should be fine. They are just name value pairs
[01:10] <Amaranth> does anyone wanna beta test the new smeg?
[01:10] <som1> ok, so i had that in start
[01:10] <HappyFool> i don't think you really need the exec
[01:10] <som1> oops
[01:10] <shanon> poningru: why are you having problems ?
[01:10] <poningru> cool thanks
[01:10] <som1> oh.. i do need it
[01:10] <poningru> not really
[01:10] <poningru> just experimenting
[01:10] <poningru> with diff stuff
[01:11] <som1> happyfool, how could i check if that works?
[01:11] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: I would, but I'm enjoying fluxbox here ATM ;)
[01:11] <scythe> amaranth, what is smeg
[01:11] <poningru> get a hold of yourself travis
[01:11] <HappyFool> som1: run it from the bash prompt
[01:11] <som1> nono
[01:11] <poningru> scythe: the menu editor
[01:11] <som1> i already did that echo command on bash
[01:11] <HappyFool> som1: ./yourscriptname
[01:11] <HappyFool> so?
[01:11] <poningru> we are not gonna die in here damn it
[01:12] <Amaranth> it has a really cool awesome new feature that needs lots of testing
[01:12] <som1> well, ill just try it in the usual way
[01:12] <Amaranth> oh, i forgot, i need to implement something else that needs tested
[01:12] <poningru> I will test
[01:12] <Amaranth> poningru: Give me 15 minutes. :)
[01:12] <poningru> take your time dude
[01:12] <scythe> menu editor, what type of menus...... like desktop menu's or program menus for the developers
[01:12] <HappyFool> som1: you think that repeating that echo will cause problems ?
[01:13] <Amaranth> scythe: The Applications menu on the top of your screen
[01:13] <shanon> som1: What are you doing ?
[01:13] <scythe> ahhh, im in kde
[01:13] <Amaranth> poningru: Nevermind, just found a massive bug. :/
[01:13] <Amaranth> scythe: Well, it can edit that menu too, but kmenuedit might work better
[01:14] <scythe> im happy with it
[01:14] <jimcooncat> Opinion, please! for a small volume jabberd, should I use: ubuntu package "jabber 1.4.3-3" or "jabberd2 2.0s3-0.1"?
[01:14] <scythe> not to start a flamewar, but kde is just more confortable for me.....  im still tyring to get used to gnome
[01:15] <spanglesontoast> ya I found kde used to be better
[01:15] <spanglesontoast> but getting used to gnome is better now
[01:15] <HappyFool> scythe: do not alter your location. gnome re-educators are en route.
[01:15] <scythe> lol
[01:15] <scythe> its just what i cut my teeth on, back in rh 5 days.... never really used gnome
[01:16] <thoreauputic> scythe: men in black: ETA 3 minutes ;)
[01:16] <bigfoot> what program in ubuntu can one use for news:// sites?
[01:16] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: pan
[01:16] <HappyFool> it's great how kubuntu sprung up as a community thing
[01:16] <scythe> mib.... how long will it take to reach korea again?
[01:16] <bigfoot> is there no built in newsreader?
[01:17] <scythe> i dont have kubuntu.... i just apt-get'ed kde
[01:17] <jimcooncat> pan's excellent, but I don't like to leave it unattended. Sometime it'll jump the CPU usage.
[01:17] <scythe> same diff though
[01:17] <shanon> bigfoot: pan will do it
[01:18] <spanglesontoast> k ubuntu is only a kde form of ubuntu
[01:18] <Amaranth> Yeah, but installing the kubuntu-desktop package makes sure you get the full kubuntu experience
[01:18] <scythe> right... i started with gnome.... but went back to my confort zone
[01:18] <Amaranth> Instead of Ubuntu + KDE
[01:18] <theD3viL> I set xset m 1 but i want my mouse goes slower then now... how can i do that?
[01:18] <thoreauputic> kubuntu-desktop is quite impressive, indeed
[01:19] <spanglesontoast> it looks the same
[01:19] <spanglesontoast> ?
[01:19] <jimcooncat> I tried KDE with a crappy Fedora 2 install. Now I'm used to gnome I'm reluctant to try out kubuntu.
[01:19] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: I assume so
[01:19] <scythe> whats the tweaks for kubuntu that arent in the standard kde package
[01:19] <spanglesontoast> fed comes with both kde and gnome
[01:19] <scythe> jim... i hated fedora
[01:20] <spanglesontoast> I like ubuntu as they have more packages
[01:20] <scythe> it couldn't even detect my dvd drive right
[01:20] <spanglesontoast> unfort it doesn't work on my k6
[01:20] <thoreauputic> jimcooncat: redhat used to butcher KDE - I don't know if they mended their ways
[01:20] <HappyFool> scythe: i suspect kubuntu-desktop is just a meta-package dependent on the appropriate kde packages
[01:20] <spanglesontoast> got about 5 of those drives lying around
[01:20] <jimcooncat> kde on fed used to keep crashing, so I got discouraged.
[01:20] <Fator_Dee> HappyFool: aye, it is
[01:21] <spanglesontoast> on different machines different things happen
[01:21] <scythe> i  dont like the bluecurve thing they did, where they tried to make kde and gnome the same
[01:21] <scythe> there is a reason they are different..... and should stay so
[01:21] <Amaranth> k6?
[01:21] <scythe> wow, thats an old proc
[01:21] <Amaranth> scythe: Yeah, but the bluecurve GNOME icons aren't that bad.
[01:22] <Amaranth> No, I think he means a HD or something
[01:22] <spanglesontoast> not that old
[01:22] <scythe> hehe
[01:22] <jimcooncat> anyone running jabberd?
[01:22] <spanglesontoast> I ran my p3 to death
[01:22] <Amaranth> an amd k6 should work fine, unless the processor isn't fully i386
[01:22] <scythe> i had a k7 almost 5-6 years ago, its old for a computer, but still usable
[01:23] <spanglesontoast> this baby is a k7
[01:23] <spanglesontoast> 3.2 ghz
[01:23] <spanglesontoast> I had worn out the 2.6 ghz too easily
[01:23] <spanglesontoast> in a year
[01:23] <spanglesontoast> :D
[01:23] <scythe> my real computer is a k7xp (1.533), but im now on a p4m 1.2
[01:24] <scythe> how do you wear out a 2.6 in a year?? oc'd
[01:24] <spanglesontoast> no overclocking
[01:24] <spanglesontoast> and it was properly cooled
[01:24] <Choubaka> I'm still using a 1.2 GHz Duron :|
[01:24] <scythe> what were you doing to the poor thing
[01:24] <scythe> my server is a duel xenon 500
[01:25] <spanglesontoast> well compiling stuff
[01:25] <Choubaka> I needa get a new computer. probably closer to 2 GHz this time :)
[01:25] <spanglesontoast> testing distros out on it
[01:25] <spanglesontoast> playing some games
[01:25] <spanglesontoast> oh and downloading pron
[01:25] <scythe> and i have two (count them 2) pentium 1's at home
[01:25] <som1> happyfool, thanks, it works now.. just got a few more problems to fix:<
[01:25] <spanglesontoast> p1's can just about manage to play half life hehe
[01:25] <HappyFool> som1: good stuff
[01:26] <IIIEars> choubaka, - try newegg.com always a good weekly special for the OEM computer.
[01:26] <scythe> which distros did you test? ive tried about 5 in the last couple of months.... any you would recommend trying?
[01:26] <som1> :)
[01:26] <Choubaka> IIIEars: OEM computer?
[01:26] <Choubaka> sounds bad.
[01:26] <Amaranth> AMD doesn't have a 3.2Ghz processor
[01:26] <scythe> my p1's are end tables at my desk
[01:26] <Choubaka> I won't buy a computer which comes with windows at the very least .|
[01:26] <IIIEars> choubaka, - ya know "prebuilt"
[01:26] <HappyFool> scythe: what have you tried
[01:26] <scythe> blasphemy
[01:26] <Choubaka> Those tend to come with Windows.
[01:27] <Choubaka> I will not pay for windows ever again.
[01:27] <IIIEars> not all of them some really nice rigs at outpost.com also
[01:27] <scythe> yoper, knoppix, freebsie, ubuntu, suse 9.2 (my other fave besides ubuntu), fedora core 3
[01:27] <spanglesontoast> to be honest scythe
[01:27] <spanglesontoast> the only one that I find sensible to download is ubuntu
[01:27] <Choubaka> If I don't get myself a self-built PC, I'll get a mac. :)
[01:28] <spanglesontoast> but I'm building a massive guide site for linux users
[01:28] <spanglesontoast> not just for ubuntu
[01:28] <spanglesontoast> but other distros
[01:28] <HappyFool> scythe: i guess one other 'big-name' distro is mandriva
[01:28] <xtian_trondheim> Hi! I love Ubuntu, but how can I run the command hotkeys -t hp5181 during bootup? I can't find any local.rc etc.
[01:28] <scythe> i rarely get sub 100k dl speeds, dl'ing isn't  painful here
[01:28] <IIIEars> can't wait to try cedega - (crosses fingers) if it works for most games i won't need or want a microsoft security disaster either.
[01:28] <HappyFool> scythe: haven't used mandrake since .. er 8 or 9 (? i forget)
[01:28] <Choubaka> xtian_trondheim: /etc/init.d/bootclean.sh
[01:28] <Choubaka> eh
[01:29] <Choubaka> xtian_trondheim: /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[01:29] <Choubaka> :)
[01:29] <Choubaka> tabcomplete not working :P
[01:29] <scythe> ohhh... mandrake 6-7 was my last, then i went to suse 7... and had been there since till i got the laptop and broadband
[01:29] <spanglesontoast> can't wait for my 8mbps
[01:29] <spanglesontoast> :D
[01:29] <xtian_trondheim> Choubaka: Great!!! Why didn't I find that on the web?? :-) Thank you!
[01:30] <IIIEars> << grateful Linspire was so restrictive. never would of found Ubuntu - wide grin.
[01:30] <scythe> im going home... back to my 52k connection
[01:30] <Choubaka> I can't wait for my 100Mbps UNI connection
[01:30] <scythe> cant wait till broadband makes it to the stix, on the other side of the boonies
[01:30] <kjoonlee> hi :)
[01:30] <Choubaka> Direct access to FUNet :|
[01:30] <kjoonlee> Does the Hoary install CD contain all packages in hoary/main ?
[01:30] <spanglesontoast> linspure requires money
[01:31] <Seveas> kjoonlee, no
[01:31] <spanglesontoast> unless you "Borrow the apps"
[01:31] <Seveas> kjoonlee, the DVD has everything in main
[01:31] <spanglesontoast> hehe
[01:31] <Choubaka> And linspire users run as root.
[01:31] <IIIEars> scythe - If you don't online game satellite looks okay.
[01:31] <Seveas> linspire is bad
[01:31] <scythe> not all.... but not a bad amount of packages
[01:31] <spanglesontoast> and an old version winex
[01:31] <spanglesontoast> that doesn't even work
[01:31] <HappyFool> Choubaka: so it's a windows clone then ? ;)
[01:31] <Choubaka> :P
[01:31] <scythe> yeah, satellite... its only 700 to start up (and buy equipment)
[01:32] <kjoonlee> Seveas: Thanks.. so the answer to "Is there only one CD for Ubuntu?" would be "Yes, but you can get things via the internet."
[01:32] <IIIEars> Linspire has made some nice contributions to the open source community
[01:32] <spanglesontoast> huh scythe?
[01:32] <Seveas> kjoonlee, indeed
[01:32] <Seveas> apt-get is your friend :)
[01:32] <marcel_> Why is there no default icon set which supports both kde and gnome apps in the gnome panel menu?
[01:32] <HappyFool> there's a dvd too, isn't there?
[01:32] <scythe> what are you huh'ing spalgle?
[01:32] <thoreauputic> marcel_: good question
[01:32] <Seveas> HappyFool, indeed, the dvd has all of hoary/main
[01:33] <scythe> univers is your friend seveas
[01:33] <scythe> brb
[01:33] <Harnak> Are the Nforce4 drivers included in ubuntu's default install or shall I need to visit nvidia.com
[01:33] <Seveas> scythe, that too :)
[01:33] <IIIEars> one CD is a blessing four fedora cd installations take 90mins
[01:33] <Seveas> Harnak, they are included
[01:33] <marcel_> The only one is rodent
[01:34] <marcel_> from xfce
[01:34] <spanglesontoast> I have to buy a flipping new sound card
[01:34] <spanglesontoast> cos most distros don't support my onboard ac7(via)
[01:34] <spanglesontoast> surround and normal sound work
[01:34] <Harnak> Seveas, thanks.. now to find out why I can't hear CD's.
[01:34] <spanglesontoast> except my subwoofer doesn't work
[01:35] <marcel_> spanglesontoast: pardon?
[01:35] <scythe> any suggestions for a good vpn client
[01:35] <marcel_> spanglesontoast: via what?
[01:35] <Hajuu_> Hey uhm
[01:35] <Hajuu_> What did you guys say was the apt-get line for those nvidia drivers?
[01:35] <spanglesontoast> viatech
[01:36] <thoreauputic> Harnak: try using xmms with digital output (you may be missing a connection from CD-ROM to sound card )
[01:36] <Seveas> Hajuu_, apt-get install linux-686 (intel) kinux-k7 (amd)
[01:36] <marcel_> spanglesontoast: Yeah. Now mayve youd like to tell me what chipset
[01:36] <Hajuu_> Seveas, hmm?
[01:37] <Harnak> thoreauputic: now that you mention it , you're right..  I never install those cables anymore.. thanks for hte reminder ;)
[01:37] <spoonman2> has anyone made Netgear WG511 wifi card work with ubuntu?
[01:37] <Hajuu_> What does my processor have to do with video card drivers?
[01:37] <spanglesontoast> er how do I find that out
[01:37] <HappyFool> Seveas: you sure about that? I think i installed nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings
[01:37] <spinifex> hello.  I have a friend who wants to use Ubuntu.  He has a 120 gig ntfs hard drive with lots of stuff on it he wants to keep.  He is very skeptical about the partitioner in the ubuntu installer.  How reliable is it at resizing ntfs partitions without corrupting his data?
[01:37] <marcel_> spanglesontoast: lspci
[01:37] <thoreauputic> Harnak: beep-media-player may be a better option than xmms - try it
[01:37] <spanglesontoast> bah?
[01:37] <poningru> amaranth you ready dude?
[01:37] <Hajuu_> HappyFool, those are what I was after.. are those the apt-get package names?
[01:37] <spanglesontoast> ah
[01:37] <Amaranth> poningru: No, this bug is annoying. Sorry. :/
[01:38] <Harnak> Thoreauputic: I'll give that a shot.. thanks
[01:38] <HappyFool> Hajuu: yeah
[01:38] <spanglesontoast> 0000:00:0f.0 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
[01:38] <HappyFool> Hajuu: i think this is on the wiki though
[01:38] <spanglesontoast> oops
[01:38] <Hajuu_> hrm
[01:38] <IIIEars> Hajuu - are you installing video drivers?
[01:38] <HappyFool> Hajuu: and on ubuntuguide.org ?
[01:38] <Hajuu_> IIIEars, yes indeedy.
[01:38] <spanglesontoast> 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8 237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)
[01:38] <spanglesontoast> there we go
[01:38] <spinifex> is the "resize partition" capability of the ubuntu install cd reliable?
[01:38] <poningru> take your time dude I was afraid you lost my nick or something
[01:38] <poningru> just call my name when you are ready
[01:38] <poningru> have the whole day
[01:39] <HappyFool> spinifex: how about your friend buys another hard-drive ?
[01:39] <marcel_> VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
[01:39] <spinifex> happyfool:  uhhh
[01:39] <marcel_> sounds somewhat similar to mine
[01:39] <scythe> spinifex i dont know, but parted seems reliable.... its what i used
[01:39] <spanglesontoast> what the rev bit stand for?
[01:39] <marcel_> Which works in every single linux distro I've used
[01:40] <spanglesontoast> what the subwoofer?
[01:40] <IIIEars> Hajuu - it likely won't matter much unless you are using a lap top power saving features and HTT i think the smp kernel - I used the i386 kernel for a bit before realizing there was a better kernel.
[01:40] <LewijiArse> here goes: kubuntu
[01:40] <marcel_> Try umuting channels
[01:40] <marcel_> or god forbid
[01:40] <marcel_> read the manual
[01:40] <Hajuu_> IIIEars, ehh... I want better video drivers than the included ones...
[01:40] <HappyFool> spinifex: i'm not being sarcastic, i'm being quite serious. they're not *all* that expensive, especially relative to the cost of losing all your data
[01:41] <Hajuu_> The ones it comes with for the MX440 aren't very good.
[01:41] <spanglesontoast> don't have a manual
[01:41] <spanglesontoast> it's onboard
[01:41] <scythe> can you hear any sound, or is the cd sound the only thing not working
[01:41] <Hajuu_> The XMMS visualisations lag.
[01:41] <spanglesontoast> no I hear sound just not the subwoofer
[01:41] <scythe> k
[01:41] <spanglesontoast> that's what I need working
[01:41] <Hajuu_> spanglesontoast, are you using the Gui?
[01:42] <HappyFool> Hajuu_: (re the nvidia drivers) see here: http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[01:42] <spanglesontoast> for?
[01:42] <IIIEars> Hajuu - the 686 .10.5 worked fine for my desktop .11 didn't work very well for me.
[01:42] <Hajuu_> For playing your sound through?
[01:42] <spanglesontoast> oh I'm using xmms
[01:42] <Hajuu_> right
[01:42] <IIIEars> <saves the link>
[01:42] <spanglesontoast> oh forgot to say got another pci sound card
[01:42] <scythe> newbie warning -- how do i check my kernel ver from cli?
[01:43] <HappyFool> uname -r
[01:43] <spanglesontoast> but i really only use that for headphones
[01:43] <spanglesontoast> my onboard has 5.1
[01:43] <scythe> thanx
[01:43] <Hajuu_> double click the speaker near the clock... Go edit--> preferences---> and check that your rear channels are turned up
[01:43] <Hajuu_> Tehres a 3d control switch
[01:43] <Hajuu_> and something else
[01:43] <Hajuu_> I belive
[01:44] <spanglesontoast> lots of settings no 3d
[01:44] <spinifex> my friend says:  "Will resizing a partition with ubuntu erase any data?"
[01:44] <Hajuu_> there are in mine...
[01:44] <Hajuu_> like 5 or 6 3d settings
[01:44] <Hajuu_> did you enable the settings in edit --> preferences ?
[01:45] <jimcooncat> spinifex: backup first!!!
[01:45] <spanglesontoast> would you like a screenshot of my settings that I have?
[01:45] <scythe> spinifex... answer "not usually, but back up just in case"
[01:46] <Hajuu_> spinifex, as with any partition program, it *shouldnt* erase any data when resizing a partition, assuming you have enough free space to accomodate such a size change..
[01:46] <Hajuu_> but shouldnt doesnt always count for much
[01:46] <scythe> hajuu depends on where winders put the data..... actually had a system that refused to move system data from the end of the partition
[01:47] <Hajuu_> 9 out of 10 times a decent partitioning program will do it.
[01:47] <spanglesontoast> hey how do I send you the screenshot?
[01:47] <Hajuu_> spanglesontoast, uhm... DCC it to me?
[01:47] <Hajuu_> right click my nick and go DCC
[01:47] <Hajuu_> err wait
[01:47] <spinifex> well, thank you.  Looks like he's gonna risk it.  Oh good, it can tell how much space he's using
[01:48] <scythe> hajuu, true... but i am cheap and used windows defrag and partitioner
[01:48] <Hajuu_> hehe
[01:48] <spinifex> btw, his fan wasn't detected (fatal kernel module error).  Is that uber bad?
[01:49] <spinifex> I mean, will it overheat and explode or something?  =P
[01:49] <spanglesontoast> i did it like that so you could see everything hajuu
[01:50] <scythe> spin, just because the fan wasnt detected, doesnt mean that its not spinning
[01:50] <Hajuu_> is that with all the options in preferences enabled?
[01:50] <scythe> id physically look at it
[01:50] <WeirdAl> Hey dudes and dudettes.
[01:50] <scythe> and check the bios and see if it can detect it still
[01:50] <spanglesontoast> nope I haven't enabled all in the options tab
[01:50] <WeirdAl> Is there a way of stopping the window switcher entries changing size all the time?
[01:50] <WeirdAl> Every time XMMS changes track all the things shift size.
[01:51] <scary> I have a weird face
[01:51] <spanglesontoast> or do you mean switches
[01:52] <Hajuu_> go to the edit menu... preferences... And enable the "3D Control - Switch"
[01:52] <Hajuu_> As the name implies.. Yes.. that will appear in the switches tab
[01:52] <Hajuu_> Also enable "Line in --> rear out"
[01:53] <spanglesontoast> there isn't one on the volume control preferences
[01:53] <massimilianos> hi all!
[01:53] <Hajuu_> Isn't one of what?
[01:54] <marcel_> Edit >>>>> Preferences
[01:54] <massimilianos> anyone knows about MAPSERVER
[01:54] <spanglesontoast> 3d
[01:54] <spanglesontoast> theres no 3d bit
[01:54] <spanglesontoast> is that bad?
[04:05] (HappyFool/#ubuntu) you need the right frequencies too
[04:05] (ra21vi/#ubuntu) Fator_Dee:-  i know that, i m quite well on Gentoo i think :)
[04:06] (Fator_Dee/#ubuntu) ra21vi: oh, sorry then :-p
[04:08] <ra21vi> Fator_Dee:-  lol, ;) Just new to debian base.... so i have some problem just regarding Debian Arch, else everything is the same
[04:08] <Fator_Dee> ra21vi: well, I don't know what things are the same on gentoo so :-p
[04:09] <toran> oh, I guess this might make a difference- I've got one SATA drive. That may be why the IDE drives don't want to go into dma mode
[04:10] <Fator_Dee> ra21vi: maybe you could try to reconfigure the xserver and try to enable the resolutions from there?
[04:10] <tbasten> is it possible to set up a domain server in ubuntu>?
[04:11] <ra21vi> Fator_Dee:-  I did that, but my config was not accepted by X, so i did back to old
[04:11] <ra21vi> whats ur default resolution
[04:11] <ra21vi> 640x480
[04:11] <Fator_Dee> 1280*1024
[04:11] <ra21vi> Fator_Dee:-  was that default just after Installation
[04:11] <Fator_Dee> yep
[04:11] <ra21vi> or u did configure manually
[04:12] <Fator_Dee> after install
[04:12] <tbasten> is it possible to set up a domain server in ubuntu? (like user login authenitcation etc...
[04:12] <HappyFool> tbasten: i see bind9 in main
[04:12] <ra21vi> do u have Nvidia>?
[04:12] <Fator_Dee> GF2MX400
[04:12] <HappyFool> tbasten: you mean windows domain controller? you can get that with samba
[04:12] <Fator_Dee> so yes
[04:13] <ra21vi> :)
[04:13] <tbasten> HappyFool, so i can set up a domain controller similar to active directory?
[04:13] <HappyFool> tbasten: i am not sure of the details. samba can act as a domain controller, afaik
[04:14] <Burgundavia> tbasten, HappyFool not yet
[04:14] <HappyFool> ah. i stand corrected
[04:14] <Burgundavia> samba 4 will be able to be a AD DC
[04:14] <Burgundavia> but samba can currently be a PDC (for NT4)
[04:15] <HappyFool> www.samba.org and http://us3.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/ have more
[04:15] <Burgundavia> 4 is almost out, from what I understand
[04:15] <podge> burgundavia : Did you read the articles about Tridge using his wife as the Samba 4.0 tester? :)
[04:15] <ra21vi> Fator_Dee:-  its taking too long to download things, i m down
[04:16] <ra21vi> Fator_Dee:-  hey, tell me something, some personal experience on Linux
[04:16] <Burgundavia> podge, nope
[04:16] <Fator_Dee> ra21vi: like what?
[04:16] <ra21vi> Fator_Dee:-  Like, which Linux distro u like much...
[04:16] <Fator_Dee> ra21vi: my experience is quite limited
[04:16] <Fator_Dee> ra21vi: ubuntu is the best, before that I used madrake 9.2
[04:17] <Fator_Dee> so :-p
[04:17] <ra21vi> Fator_Dee:-  I used Redhat till Fedora Core 3, then Mandrake 10.0, and some others . then i was stopped on Gentoo
[04:17] <Fator_Dee> I've been using linux for.. 4 years maybe
[04:18] <ra21vi> gentoo seemed fast, but when i installed Ubuntu, although its only i386 optimized, but its comparably fast than Gnome on Gentoo
[04:18] <ra21vi> as my experience....
[04:18] <ra21vi> my Gentoo is P4-i686 optimized
[04:19] <HappyFool> heh. i'm sure if you ran some real-world-useless benchmark you could find a difference ;)
[04:19] <ra21vi> will it be good to install KDE, or just be on Gnome
[04:19] <Burgundavia> ra21vi, optimizations are really not all that they are cracked up to be
[04:19] <thoreauputic> arch optimising is over-rated IMO: Slackware is the fastest distro I've used so far
[04:19] <Fator_Dee> ra21vi: I installed xfce4 :-p
[04:20] <ra21vi> Burgundavia:-  maybe, i m doubtful
[04:20] <thoreauputic> or actually Vector linux, which is a Slack derivative
[04:20] <ra21vi> Fator_Dee:-  xfce is good, lightweight still illustrative
[04:20] <Fator_Dee> ra21vi: yep, I found that out
[04:21] <podge> thoreauputic : Initially I was disappointed by Slackware boot times... Ubuntu out of the box is very quick to boot..
[04:21] <thoreauputic> podge: heh - I don't reboot much so I haven't noticed ;)
[04:21] <sijmen> awesome
[04:21] <XhyldazhK> Hi all
[04:21] <IIIEars> What is "GNU" Linux? Debian?
[04:21] <XhyldazhK> I have a very serious problem
[04:21] <sijmen> when ubuntu shuts down ALSO (before going down), VMWare automatically mutes the Windows audio
[04:22] <podge> thoreauputic : good point.. but I prefer to shut down my machine at night..
[04:22] <Firetech> IIIEars: www.gnu.org
[04:22] <musician> hello. is there a program to play midi files? a program that has a graphical interface, so that i don't have to do any typing in the terminal? and hopefully a program that can do playlists.
[04:22] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: linux=kernel  GNU/Linux + the whole OS
[04:22] <IIIEars> Thanks
[04:22] <ra21vi> GNU, the base of every Linux, but Freedom
[04:22] <Firetech> musician: timidity
[04:22] <Fator_Dee> musician: I think there are midi plugins for the usual players
[04:22] <thoreauputic> sorry s/+/=
[04:22] <musician> Firetech, i got timidity but it runs only in terminal right?
[04:22] <Firetech> noo
[04:22] <podge> thoreauputic : Win XP is impressive with it's quick boot times..Ubuntu is only about 15 seconds slower on my PC..
[04:23] <thenuke> IIIEars: gnu Linux means the kernel
[04:23] <Fator_Dee> podge: and how much 15 seconds matters to you :-p
[04:23] <Firetech> musician: just run "timidity -ig"
[04:23] <sijmen> i thought gnu/linux was more like a combination of the gnu base tools, and the linux kernel
[04:23] <thoreauputic> podge: yes, but the XP boot time is deceptive since it appears as GUI before it is fully functional
[04:23] <Firetech> and you have a gui with playlist
[04:23] <Shuddertrix> Ubuntu doesn't take very long for me to boot, compiled my own kernel instead.
[04:23] <musician> Fator_Dee, before i downloaded timidity, doubleclicking on a midi file got me an error message
[04:24] <robertj> anyone know how to set up a printer in cups that will dump the job out into a pipe?
[04:24] <musician> Firetech, "Interface `g' is not compiled in."
[04:24] <darkaudit> Is *windows* ready for the desktop? http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/18/2033216 :D
[04:24] <Fator_Dee> musician: that's propably because you didnt have any players installed that could've handled midis
[04:24] <Shufla> hello :D:D
[04:24] <FreezerX> Why is it not possible to scroll in the bashhistory?!
[04:24] <XhyldazhK> HELP ME HELP ME HELP ME HELP ME I did a 'sudo checkinstall' to install Crystal Space CVS, but at the middle I did Ctrl+C, and from this moment I am not able to login as another user different of root, and any program that needs to change user to another user distinct of root fails in its execution, what can I do? I'm truly desperated...
[04:24] <Firetech> musician: strange
[04:24] <thoreauputic> musician: yes it is - I use it here
[04:24] <podge> fator_dee : Some Linux distros just take too long to boot.. Ubuntu is great though..
[04:24] <thoreauputic> timidity -ig
[04:25] <musician> thoreauputic, "yes"  g is compiled in?
[04:25] <Fator_Dee> podge: I've never actually thought about the boot time, I usually do something else why the comp boots up :-\
[04:25] <thoreauputic> musician: yup
[04:25] <Fator_Dee> *why=when
[04:25] <thoreauputic> on hoary anyway
[04:25] <Firetech> musician: try downloading the package timidity-interfaces-extra
[04:25] <IIIEars> LOL - just more marketing. several computer brands are advertising themselves as "GNU" linux - was familiar with the GNU project.
[04:25] <XhyldazhK> HELP me please!!!
[04:25] <thoreauputic> ah yes, you need the package Firetech mentions :)
[04:25] <HappyFool> XhyldazhK: what error do you get ?
[04:26] <sijmen> darkaudit, that's certainly a fun article, thanks!
[04:26] <Shufla> XhyldazhK: FYI - do not use sudo, use fakeroot in that case. paste your /etc/passwd to some paste-web-sites
[04:26] <IIIEars> I hope Ubuntu can marry one of the big manufacturers
[04:26] <podge> thoreauputic : I still have to login to gnome before being able to use my linux box.. which does take longer than XP GUI to load..
[04:26] <XhyldazhK> HappyFool: when I am as root and I try to change user by example 'su - xhyldazhk' it saysm me that permission denied
[04:26] <musician> Fator_Dee, yes, the players i have and the plugins i have are, for the most part, the ones that the ubuntu cd installed .
[04:26] <Fator_Dee> IIIEars: they have some collaboration with HP
[04:26] <thoreauputic> podge: true
[04:27] <XhyldazhK> Shufla: but once that the damage is done what can i do? is the /etc/passwd damaged?
[04:27] <thingfish> I normally like Roblimo's pieces, but I didn't care for that one much.
[04:27] <Shufla> I hope that Ubuntu won't marry any of big manufacturers. I hope that Ubuntu will be Microsoft-like in linux world - it'll dominate (in GNU way) and standarize all, and will be supported by big manufacturers.
[04:27] <Shufla> XhyldazhK: it might be. look for error in /var/log/auth.log
[04:27] <firepol> happyfool: i have the same problem, anyway i noticed something new...
[04:27] <musician> i got the graphical midi player now. thanks. is there a way to open up midis all at the same time, instead of one by one?
[04:27] <XhyldazhK> Shufla: its ONLY /etc/passwd the damaged file?
[04:27] <podge> thoreauputic : But.. it is getting better all the time with Linux.. which is great.. as I don't have to pay for MS to take out the sleep statements from their code..
[04:28] <Fator_Dee> musician: try to select a directory
[04:28] <XhyldazhK> because I viewed it on an editor and it looked normal
[04:28] <thoreauputic> musician: yes, you can make playlists
[04:28] <Shufla> XhyldazhK: i do not know. my first guess. but you _HAVE_ to check /var/log/auth.log and syslog for errors.
[04:28] <HappyFool> firepol: yes?
[04:28] <jp> musician use muine :)
[04:28] <jp> oh im wrong sorry
[04:28] <musician> thoreauputic, yes, but to make playlists, i have to first "open" each midi up one by one first right?
[04:28] <XhyldazhK> Shufla: I can repeat the same behaviour on the laptop here
[04:28] <jp> you're talking about midis <.
[04:28] <IIIEars> Ubuntu wouldn't lose it's identity just provide an OS for a box.
[04:28] <jp> :P
[04:29] <raz> Would that be the cmd to remove a directory?: sudo rm foo -d
[04:29] <XhyldazhK> Shufla: there were strange files in /var/backup
[04:29] <musician> what about the sounds? i heard something about there being better sounds if i replace freepats with something better. Kindly confirm.
[04:29] <qiqo> guys can i access ntfs partitions using ubuntu?
[04:29] <IIIEars> Money wouldn't hurt a good project.
[04:29] <Fator_Dee> raz: rm -r foo
[04:29] <raz> qiqo, yes
[04:29] <qiqo> hows that?
[04:29] <raz> Fator_Dee, thx
[04:29] <Shufla> qiqo: www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:29] <qiqo> ok thanks
[04:29] <thoreauputic> musician: the playlists are just file lists - you can do something like " echo ls *.midi > playlist.pls "
[04:29] <Shuddertrix> of course, it's read-only for NTFS however.
[04:29] <XhyldazhK> anyone have faced the same problem as me?
[04:29] <musician> in the graphichal program, thoreauputic ?
[04:29] <thoreauputic> musician: I forget the exact syntax I used
[04:29] <Shufla> or "echo *.midi" > playlist.ple
[04:29] <qiqo> ohh thats the problem
[04:30] <Shuddertrix> unless you like taking a chance and screwing up your perfect boot tables.
[04:30] <raz> Fator_Dee, what is the linux equivalent of "cd.."? (to only go back once..)
[04:30] <Shufla> eh, that wont do it :(
[04:30] <qiqo> whenever i copy and then paste a file from an nfts partition it doesnt copy at all
[04:30] <Fator_Dee> raz: cd ..
[04:30] <firepol> happyfool: i boot with my livecd, i mount my partition, then i chroot. then i mount /boot , if i do grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/hda : it wil lcreate a subfolder called /boot inside boot, resulting in /boot/boot/grub ...
[04:30] <thoreauputic> musician: the gui is fairly limited
[04:30] <raz> Fator_Dee, thanky.
[04:30] <Fator_Dee> raz: notice the " " space :-)
[04:30] <raz> yup yup
[04:30] <thoreauputic> musician: have you looked into using rosegarden4 ?
[04:30] <musician> is there a gui midi program that is better than?
[04:30] <HappyFool> firepol: ah. no, in that case try maybe --root-directory=/
[04:30] <thoreauputic> musician: much more sophisticated
[04:31] <musician> is rosegarden better than timidiy?
[04:31] <firepol> happyfool: and if i do simply grub-install /dev/hda, it tells me this error message: dev/hda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[04:31] <HappyFool> firepol: hm. was your primary master plugged in ?
[04:31] <firepol> happyfool: i even tried with --root-directory=/ : it tells me this error message: dev/hda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[04:31] <thoreauputic> musician: orders of magnitude: you can write music in it, print your music etc
[04:31] <XhyldazhK> HappyFool: do you have any clue on my error?
[04:31] <HappyFool> firepol: sounds to me like your primary master wasn't plugged in
[04:31] <HappyFool> XhyldazhK: no, sorry...
[04:31] <firepol> happyfool: yes, my primary HD was inserted and detected at the bios screen
[04:32] <HappyFool> firepol: hmm
[04:32] <thoreauputic> musician: but get rosegarden4, not the older one
[04:32] <firepol> happyfool: no, if i insert a windows boot disk, i can boot windows from my primary master
[04:32] <HappyFool> firepol: hangon
[04:32] <thingfish> What kinds of things can one get from backports?
[04:32] <musician> "rosegarden4"  is a KDE application Can my hoary run KDE stuff? or only gnome stuff?
[04:32] <thoreauputic> musician: you can apt-get it or use synaptic
[04:32] <HappyFool> firepol: was /boot mounted as / ?
[04:32] <thingfish> I mean, what is in backports?
[04:32] <Fator_Dee> musician: it can run both
[04:32] <HappyFool> firepol: there's no /dev directory in that case
[04:32] <firepol> happyfool: no, /boot was mounbted as /boot
[04:32] <thoreauputic> musician: it can run it - it just needs some libraries
[04:32] <raz> Is there a way to give yourself root access (sudo) in nautilus? (filebrowser?..)
[04:33] <HappyFool> firepol: did you try ls -l /dev/hda ?
[04:33] <musician> thoreauputic, so every time i get a kde program, i need to download some extra libraries every time?
[04:33] <thoreauputic> musician: synaptic will take care of the dependencies
[04:33] <Fator_Dee> raz: open nautilus with sudo
[04:33] <justin> XhyldazhK: you haven't actually told anyone what the error IS yet
[04:33] <firepol> happyfool: i didnt try...
[04:33] <thingfish> raz: there might be, but don't do that.  Instead open a terminal, and then use sudo.
[04:33] <thoreauputic> musician: and most of the libraries are shared , so no, not every time
[04:33] <raz> thingfish, why not?
[04:33] <HappyFool> firepol: ok, you can also use grub's notation (i.e., (hd0,0))
[04:33] <firepol> happyfool: ill try it, and ill try to mount a windows partitino jsut to see if it works, good idea
[04:33] <HappyFool> firepol: but it looks like you have to use quotes if you use that
[04:34] <Shuddertrix> musician: apt gets them for you ;)
[04:34] <HappyFool> firepol: so   grub-install --root-directory=/boot '(hd0,0)'
[04:34] <musician> thoreauputic, great to hear!
[04:34] <thingfish> raz: it's just not considered a good practice.  You should learn to use the terminal.
[04:34] <musician> Shuddertrix, i'm loving linux.
[04:35] <firepol> happyfool, ill try. thx. i wil lalso try to put grub on a floppy disk
[04:35] <XhyldazhK> justin: I can only login as root. I cannot run any process that changes momentarily to another user, I cannot log in as any user distinct of root If I login as a normal user, the login says to me 'permission denied'
[04:35] <thoreauputic> musician: you can use timidity as a "server" for Rosegarden, but you will need to do some reading to  get that working
[04:35] <Shuddertrix> musician: ah, yes, linux is easy to love ;)
[04:35] <firepol> how can i format a floppy with linux?
[04:35] <HappyFool> fdformat
[04:35] <thoreauputic> musician: if you have a decent sound card, that probably won't be necessary
[04:35] <andrewski> can anyone answer why an expert ubuntu install doesn't set up sudo?
[04:35] <XhyldazhK> justin: if i try 'su' it says to me 'no shell' and if I try 'su -' says to me permission denied again
[04:35] <HappyFool> firepol: well, you probably want mk32fs
[04:36] <thingfish> firepol: Applications>System Tools>Floppy Formatter.
[04:36] <HappyFool> firepol: have you installed the grub docs ?
[04:36] <HappyFool> mke2fs, even
[04:36] <musician> wish i could convince my friend to "convert" to linux, but he makes some great points  about some programs only being on Windows OS. And he needs them for work, not just for personal stuff. For example, he told me of Pagemaker, and it not being in Linux. I told him that i think emulators like Wine will handle that kinda problem.
[04:36] <Shuddertrix> XhyldazhK: if you need a root shell, use sudo -s
[04:36] <raz> Would that be the cmd to delete every file on the system containing the word 'mplayer'?: sudo rm *mplayer*.*
[04:36] <musician> how do i know what sound card i have, thoreauputic ?
[04:36] <thoreauputic> andrewski: presumably the assumption is thet experts can work it out ;)
[04:37] <Fator_Dee> raz: no, that would be not
[04:37] <justin> XhyldazhK: what does it say exactly.
[04:37] <andrewski> thoreauputic: was it you that told me that a few days ago?!
[04:37] <HappyFool> firepol: apt-get install grub-doc    and then    info grub    -- check out the installation section
[04:37] <Fator_Dee> raz: what are you doing exactly
[04:37] <thoreauputic> musician: the lspci command will tell all
[04:37] <firepol> thingfish: thank you
[04:37] <Shuddertrix> musician: Tell him about Codeweaver's Crossover office. It probably runs it ;)
[04:37] <raz> Fator_Dee, delete all files off the partitions having the word mplayer in their file name
[04:37] <thoreauputic> andrewski: probably - tongue in cheek of course :)
[04:37] <qiqo> guys how will i modify nautilus?
[04:37] <XhyldazhK> justin: I have not internet at home, I have to come to office to look for answers. I will try to reproduce the error on a laptop
[04:37] <raz> Fator_Dee, *off the 'filesystem', sorry.
[04:37] <wulfy814> ok, simple one I think - I've created a drawer on my top panel with custom launchers for "gnome-terminal -x ssh domain.com"
[04:38] <Hajuu> Hey
[04:38] <wulfy814> I wan to sync that drawer with my laptop
[04:38] <firepol> happyfool, thanks, and sorry, u r right i should RTFM before asking in chat ;)
[04:38] <wulfy814> where does gnome store this info?
[04:38] <Amaranth> hey, the 419 scammers have changed to using some russian incident now
[04:38] <Hajuu> Is wine what people use to play windows games through linux these days, or is there something better?
[04:38] <andrewski> thoreauputic: well, i just wanted to customise my installation a bit, but i didn't like that it didn't set sudo up nor gave me the option to.  does that sound right?
[04:38] <justin> wulfy814: grep -r 'ssh domain.com'  ~
[04:38] <HappyFool> firepol: well, you can see the commands for yourself. and they have an example of a floppy boot disk
[04:38] <Fator_Dee> raz: you'd have to do it recursively, but I don't know if that's a brilliant idea, be ready to repair your system after :-p
[04:38] <musician> thoreauputic, my soundcard is Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio . is this considered a "decent sound card"?
[04:38] <thoreauputic> andrewski: yeah, i agree it should give the option
[04:39] <musician> thoreauputic, or is it even a sound card?
[04:39] <raz> Fator_Dee, why not?
[04:39] <podge> raz : find . -name \*mplayer\* | xargs rm
[04:39] <andrewski> thoreauputic: so filing a bug wouldn't be a bad idea?
[04:39] <wulfy814> just: thanks (why didn't I think of that)
[04:39] <thoreauputic> musician: I have no idea, and yes
[04:39] <musician> i don't see soundgarden in my menu.
[04:39] <raz> podge, will that also remove the dirs 'mplayer' ?
[04:39] <Amaranth> musician: try running it from a terminal
[04:40] <thoreauputic> rosegarden4 - you have to install it
[04:40] <Fator_Dee> raz: typos, constellations and stars not in the right positions, black cat crossed the street...
[04:40] <musician> i meant rosegarden, oops. Soundgarden does sound like a nice program name, though, wouldn't you say so?
[04:40] <podge> raz : you will have to use "rm -fr" on the end to delete the directories..
[04:40] <thoreauputic> ah I see, sorry musician
[04:40] <firepol> happyfool: thanks again, ill try checking hda to see if its detected by linux. then if its detected but it doesnt work in no way, i try to use a grub floppy
[04:40] <raz> Fator_Dee, tsk tsk tsk..
[04:40] <Shuddertrix> musician: According to the crossover office compatibility section, pagemaker runs. There's hope for your friend, I think..
[04:40] <firepol> happyfool: im becoming crazy... yes it was better to reinstall ubuntu ;)
[04:40] <HappyFool> Soundgarden sounds like a *great* name for a band... oh, wait
[04:40] <HappyFool> firepol: heh. you'd be done by now ;)
[04:40] <Delirus42> anyone awake?
[04:41] <thoreauputic> musician: typing "rosegarden" in a terminal should start it
[04:41] <podge> raz : To only delete the files : find . -name \*mplayer\* -type f | xargs rm
[04:41] <firepol> happyfool: well, maybe ill reinstall... will i lose all my data if i install it again?
[04:41] <andrewski> Delirus42: from the amount of activity on the channel, i'd say probably not. :P
[04:41] <pepe> hi
[04:41] <musician> Shuddertrix, All right. I'll pass him the news. Just talked to him a while ago. He told me that he turns off his computer (win98 beaterbox) to prevent any hacking from his cable internet connection. I pity him.
[04:42] <raz> podge, is the '.' necessary before the ' -name'?
[04:42] <andrewski> raz: yes
[04:42] <raz> pft, weird syntax.
[04:42] <HappyFool> firepol: well, using the conventional install, i think you will. i assumed you hadn't done much on your system yet
[04:42] <firepol> happyfool: i have several gigabytes of data, and i dont have time to lose to backup them on another HD. thatsh why i wnated to fix instead of reinstalling from scratch
[04:42] <andrewski> raz: have you read the manpage?
[04:42] <tbasten> is there a front end for samber?
[04:42] <tbasten> samba?
[04:42] <HappyFool> firepol: ah
[04:42] <andrewski> tbasten: what do you want to do with it?
[04:42] <XhyldazhK> HELP ME HELP ME HELP ME HELP ME I did a 'sudo checkinstall' to install Crystal Space CVS, but at the middle I did Ctrl+C, and from this moment I am not able to login as another user different of root, and any program that needs to change user to another user distinct of root fails in its execution, what can I do? I'm truly desperated...
[04:42] <podge> raz : The . just means search from the current directory you can replace it with any directory.. find /home/raz     find /   find /tmp
[04:42] <HappyFool> firepol: sorry, in that case, i suppose reinstalling is a poor option
[04:42] <thingfish> tbasten: swat
[04:43] <firepol> happyfool: the only solution i see is to split my actual partition, move my data to the other partition and reinstall...
[04:43] <wulfy814> justin: I located the "launchers" but all launchers are in the folder ~/.gnome2/panel2.d/default/launchers
[04:43] <Delirus42> I'm trying to install Ubuntu on my mum's Dell, and the monitor craps out every time X starts up.  Can anyone help?
[04:43] <wulfy814> how do I get them to appear in a drawer
[04:43] <justin> XhyldazhK: no one is going to be able to help you if you are not actually near your computer
[04:43] <firepol> happyfool: anyway id like to learn how to use grub... reinstalling is done by newbies, and i want to learn and become a pro ;)
[04:43] <XhyldazhK> justin: I will reproduce the error in a laptop here
[04:44] <HappyFool> firepol: heh
[04:44] <N17R0> Hi I know how I can install a program from source codes (compile) , but I don't know yet how to uninstall that program now? Anyone can tell me how to uninstall ?
[04:44] <zenrox> firepol,  good boy
[04:45] <firepol> happyfool: ;-) well so ill lose all my day but i want to fix this in the correct way, not simply by reinstalling .else id comnclude that grub sux, and i dont think grub sux...
[04:45] <musician> "The Rosegarden sequencer could not be started, so sound and recording will be unavaliable for this session."  Why can't the sequencer be started?
[04:45] <linukso> Stupid, but short question: When is Breezy scheduled for release?
[04:45] <ivoks> october
[04:45] <podge> N17R0 : If you built from source.. you should be able to do a "make uninstall" in the source directory..
[04:45] <linukso> ivoks: thank!
[04:45] <ivoks> but, don't use it now..
[04:45] <firepol> ok, so cya later.... thx again for ur help
[04:45] <ivoks> i'm thinking about reinstalling hoary :/
[04:46] <HappyFool> firepol: ok. good luck
[04:46] <N17R0> podge: and if it aint there in the folder to make a "make uninstall" ?
[04:46] <XhyldazhK> justin: I reproduced the error
[04:46] <XhyldazhK> pass by pass
[04:46] <thoreauputic> musician: you may be lacking some kernel modules that you need - does your sound card have a hardware wavetable or similar?
[04:46] <raz> podge, does getting 'permission denied' after a sudo means you didn't enter the pwd correctly?
[04:46] <ivoks> no
[04:46] <musician> thoreauputic, how can i tell?
[04:46] <raz> ivoks, no?
[04:46] <podge> N17R0 : If you built the source from scratch there has to be a Makefile in there somewhere.. ?
[04:47] <flodine> can i use artwiz fonts in ubuntu
[04:47] <thoreauputic> musician: hmm - hang on and I'll see if I can find some links to get you started
[04:47] <HappyFool> you get a "Sorry, try again" for a wrong password
[04:47] <ivoks> raz: if you typed wrong password it would write: Sorry, try again.
[04:47] <raz> hmm.. what can deny access to sudo, then? :|
[04:47] <XhyldazhK> justin: I did a 'sudo checkinstall' on a package and then ctrl-c the checkinstall when it said 'preparing package documentation'
[04:47] <thoreauputic> musician: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[04:47] <HappyFool> has to be a permitted user
[04:47] <ivoks> raz: what you typed?
[04:47] <podge> raz : if you are trying that "find" stuff then I suggest you sudo -s first.. then run the command..
[04:47] <flodine> well
[04:47] <N17R0> podge: hmm i think there is a Makefile yes, anyway thx for the info, i got try it tonight :P
[04:48] <thoreauputic> musician: and  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-8736.html
[04:48] <raz> ivoks, this: sudo find . -name \*mplayer\* -type f | xargs rm
[04:48] <raz> podge, aight
[04:48] <ivoks> raz: there is a problem
[04:48] <XhyldazhK> help me pleasee!!
[04:48] <ivoks> raz: rm is runed as plain user, not root
[04:48] <dcraven> raz: Put a sudo after the xargs.
[04:48] <XhyldazhK> I cannot login
[04:48] <thoreauputic> musician: it's all a bit arcane but if you persevere it works :)
[04:48] <ivoks> raz: don't do it like that
[04:48] <XhyldazhK> please please please please help me
[04:49] <ivoks> raz: find . -name \*mplayer\* -type -f -exec rm -rf {} ';'
[04:49] <dcraven> XhyldazhK: What happens when you try to login?
[04:49] <flodine> someone help the man
[04:49] <liable> XhyldazhK: well, tell us whats wrong eh?
[04:49] <XhyldazhK> dcraven: I am on a console as root
[04:49] <thoreauputic> musician: got those links?
[04:49] <XhyldazhK> I am on a console as root, I type 'su - xhyldazhk'
[04:49] <musician> thoreauputic, the http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo page is about timidity, not about soundgarden. I'm not sure which part i should be reading...
[04:49] <XhyldazhK> and both the console and the auth.log say
[04:49] <podge> N17R0 : If there is a makefile.. and the makefile was written correctly.. you should be able to "make uninstall"
[04:49] <raz> ivoks, hmm, okay, but what is this for: {} ';'
[04:49] <thoreauputic> musician: read both
[04:50] <XhyldazhK> the console says 'Unable to cd to "/home/xhyldazhk"'
[04:50] <thoreauputic> musician: you might need to run timidity as a 'server' for rosegarden
[04:50] <ivoks> raz: that's a syntax {} iz for every file it fined, and ';' is termination (IIRC)
[04:50] <thoreauputic> musician: or fluidsynth
[04:50] <XhyldazhK> the auth.log says 'unable to cd to '/home/xhyldazhk' for user 'xhyldazhk'
[04:50] <musician> thoreauputic, oh, rosegarden requires a "server"? it can't run on its own?
[04:50] <N17R0> podge: alright that sounds good, I hope it works :d
[04:51] <XhyldazhK> please help me
[04:51] <dcraven> XhyldazhK: Does 'xhyldazhk' show up when you do a "ls /home"?
[04:51] <liable> XhyldazhK: try 'sudo su'
[04:51] <thoreauputic> musician: it can if your sound card supports it
[04:51] <ABRAXAS77> N17R0, i know you...do u speak spanish?
[04:51] <Delirus42> HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP (way to get attention, sorry)  I'm setting up Ubuntu on my mum's Dell Dimension 2400 (17 in/ monitor), and the video craps out every time X tries to start.  Any ideas?
[04:51] <Canibal> Can somebody please help me config my internet using PPTP ?
[04:51] <musician> You mentioned, fluidsynth, thoreauputic. Which is better? which do you recommend: fluidsynth or timidity?
[04:51] <N17R0> nope
[04:51] <ivoks> raz: yeah, i was right...
[04:51] <thoreauputic> musician: if it doesn't, you need software synth
[04:51] <ivoks> raz: man find, line 259
[04:51] <XhyldazhK> liable: as user 'xhyldazhk' i don't have any permission over any file
[04:51] <thoreauputic> musician: I find timidity works better for me and uses less CPU
[04:51] <raz> ivoks, line 259?
[04:51] <ivoks> raz: yeah man find
[04:52] <thoreauputic> musician: it's worth trying both
[04:52] <raz> ivoks, ubuntu manual?
[04:52] <thoreauputic> musician: YMMV
[04:52] <ivoks> raz: then enter 259 and press shift g
[04:52] <ivoks> raz: no
[04:52] <dcraven> Delirus42: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for lines beginning with an "(EE)". That's your error.
[04:52] <ivoks> raz: type in console man find
[04:52] <XhyldazhK> liable: as user 'root' it says 'sudo: can't open /etc/sudoers: permission denied'
[04:52] <raz> ivoks, okay, got it. thx.
[04:52] <XhyldazhK> dcraven: yes, the directory is here and all its files are there
[04:52] <musician> how can i tell whether my sound card has that, or requires software synth? I think my sound card is not a high-tech one. My comp is a 4 year old workstation/office model.
[04:52] <liable> XhyldazhK: do it as a user not as root
[04:53] <XhyldazhK> liable: as an user I cant, it says 'bash: /usr/bin/sudo: permission denied'
[04:53] <musician> ymm
[04:53] <ivoks> hehe
[04:53] <justin> XhyldazhK: ls -ld /
[04:53] <ivoks> XhyldazhK: new user?
[04:53] <thoreauputic> musician: not sure, to be honest- I only set up midi stuff last week (hence my semi-familiarity with this stuff)
[04:53] <dcraven> XhyldazhK: Doesn't sound like a checkinstall error to me. heh
[04:53] <raz> ivoks, your cmd didnt work for me, tho..: find: invalid argument `-f' to `-type'
[04:53] <Delirus42> dcraven:  I don't think the software recognizes a problem, I think it's just that ubuntu is trying to start X at too high a resolution (or too high h/v sync ranges) for the monitor to deal with
[04:54] <ivoks> raz: find . -name \*mplayer\* -type f -exec rm -rf {} ';'
[04:54] <XhyldazhK> justin: drwx------ 23 root root 4096 May 28 09:40
[04:54] <Fator_Dee> Delirus42: there should be an error about that too
[04:54] <thoreauputic> musician: If your card supported it, it would probably "just work", but google might help you to find out
[04:54] <musician> when i did the lspi whatever command, i didn't get any words like "soundblaster". Instead i got the word "intel". So i think my sound card is a part of my main intel processor....
[04:54] <ivoks> raz: one - too much :)
[04:54] <Delirus42> dcraven:  I tried doing the xorgconfig thing, but that made everything screw up entirely
[04:54] <XhyldazhK> dcraven: sudo checkinstall was that triggered all that mess
[04:54] <raz> ivoks, kay.. no sudo required, tho?
[04:54] <justin> XhyldazhK: well theres your problem, put it back to 755
[04:54] <ivoks> raz: depends where you delete it
[04:54] <ivoks> raz: if it is in your home, then no sudo
[04:55] <raz> ivoks, can't i have it look over all the filesystem?
[04:55] <thoreauputic> musician: probably "onboard" (on your mother board) but I don't know
[04:55] <ivoks> raz: if it is a system file then yes, with sudo
[04:55] <XhyldazhK> justin: you just saved my life
[04:55] <ivoks> raz: why do you want to delete mplayer?
[04:55] <flodine> how do i load artwiz fonts in gnome?
[04:55] <XhyldazhK> all you ubuntu users, I really really owe one to all you
[04:55] <raz> ivoks, clean up and reinstall it
[04:55] <musician> thoreauputic, i think so, too. Coz the comp i'm using is not a for-home use, but rather for office use.
[04:55] <Canibal> can some1 please help me config my internet connection ? :||||||||||||||
[04:55] <XhyldazhK> my deepest thanks to all you
[04:55] <musician> if we are right in our guessing, this means that we need software synth, right?
[04:55] <ivoks> raz: sudo dpkg --purge remove mplayer
[04:56] <ivoks> raz: that's much easier :)
[04:56] <raz> ivoks, i did, but some files are persistant...
[04:56] <dcraven> XhyldazhK: Just so you know, checkinstall did not do that.
[04:56] <ivoks> raz: no if you put --purge
[04:56] <XhyldazhK> dcraven: it was sudo?
[04:56] <raz> ivoks, sudo dpkg --purge remove mplayer
[04:56] <thoreauputic> musician: do a bit of googling, that's what I did: but a lot of the stuff about linux midi is rather technical and hard to grasp (I find)
[04:56] <raz> ivoks, i followed some procedure, manual install..
[04:56] <dcraven> Delirus42: Try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". That might help.
[04:56] <ivoks> raz: and what files left?
[04:56] <thoreauputic> musician: you will definitely need to read some man pages
[04:57] <ivoks> raz: maybe that files aren't from mplayer package
[04:57] <dcraven> XhyldazhK: It was no doubt something you did as sudo, but likely not sudo itself.
[04:57] <Delirus42> dcraven: thanks tons   I might be back later if I screw everyting up again
[04:57] <musician> thoreauputic, so i should do a googling with the words i found in the lspi results?
[04:57] <dcraven> Delirus42: Good luck.
[04:57] <ivoks> raz: don't delete manually system files, that can end up really bad
[04:57] <musician> where are the manuals?
[04:57] <thoreauputic> musician: that's a start, yes
[04:57] <ivoks> musician: for what?
[04:57] <raz> ivoks, a few.. mplayer-586.postrm, mplayer.1 mplayer-586.list, etc, a few..
[04:57] <thenuke> is it safe to do apt-get remove postfix?
[04:57] <robertj> anyone know how to get cups to write to a pipe instead of to a file?
[04:57] <musician> ivoks, thoreauputic recommended i "read some man pages"
[04:57] <ivoks> musician: man's are on your disk... man command
[04:57] <Delirus42> if that doesn't help, I'd probably be best off editing xorg.conf manually than running xorgconfig
[04:58] <thoreauputic> musician: the bits about modprobing drivwers in those howtos are important too
[04:58] <XhyldazhK> THANKS TO ALL YOU ALL YOU ROCK!!!
[04:58] <Delirus42> thanks for the help guys, I'm out
[04:58] <XhyldazhK> bye!
[04:58] <ivoks> raz: lol
[04:58] <raz> ivoks, well, mplayer files, i don't think are crucial to system stability, are they?
[04:58] <ivoks> raz: thoose files are OK!
[04:58] <dcraven> XhyldazhK: Good bye.
[04:58] <thoreauputic> musician: you type `man <programname>` in a terminal ;)
[04:58] <raz> ivoks, bah..
[04:58] <justin> raz: what was this "manual install" that you did?
[04:58] <ivoks> raz: they are in /var/lib/dpkg...something, right?
[04:59] <raz> ivoks, most, yes.
[04:59] <ivoks> raz: two advices:
[04:59] <thoreauputic> musician: just so you know: man pages are rather terse and hard to follow at first
[04:59] <raz> justin, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[04:59] <ivoks> raz: never delete files in *lib* directory
[04:59] <ivoks> raz: NERVER EVER delete files in *lib* directory :)
[04:59] <musician> thoreauputic, yes, i've loaded them up on the browser. right now i'm looking at the "archive" page.
[05:00] <raz> ivoks, aightydidelidou
[05:00] <thoreauputic> musician: start by typing ` man timidity `
[05:00] <ivoks> raz: those files in /var/lib/dpkg, they are important for installing package or deinstaling
[05:00] <musician> thoreauputic, please disregard my last message about which files i was looking up.
[05:00] <thoreauputic> musician: you usually have to read about 5 times before it makes sense ;-)
[05:00] <ivoks> raz: if you delete those files, installer will not know how to install or remove that package
[05:01] <ivoks> raz: it's a bit complicated, but you will understand it this way...
[05:01] <raz> ivoks, can't 'installer' get 'how to install' from the package itself?
[05:01] <musician> thoreauputic, do i need to read the manual for timidity if i'm hoping to be running rosegarden?
[05:01] <Amaranth> raz: Why not just sudo apt-get --purge remove mplayer?
[05:01] <thoreauputic> musician: you don't *have* to - I suggest you do though
[05:01] <raz> Amaranth, followed manual install..
[05:02] <ABRAXAS77> hello,im installing ubuntu...is my first time with this ssystem
[05:02] <ivoks> raz: that files are from package it self
[05:02] <graabein> hi. anyone willing to help me with tv-out xorg.conf settings??
[05:02] <Amaranth> ack
[05:02] <ivoks> raz: you don't have to delete them
[05:02] <thoreauputic> musician: especially the "server" options
[05:02] <ivoks> raz: when you install new package, it will overwrite them
[05:02] <ABRAXAS77> graabein, i use xorg in slackware
[05:02] <raz> ivoks, aighty.
[05:02] <justin> raz: then how did you end up with mplayer files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ ?
[05:02] <ABRAXAS77> what do u need to know graabein?
[05:02] <raz> justin, don't ask me :|.
[05:03] <graabein> ABRAXAS77, i want to watch movies on my telly. not clone but as screen #2
[05:03] <raz> justin, prolly the old mplayer ubuntu install from synaptics
[05:03] <ivoks> justin: you have them too :)
[05:03] <dcraven> raz: By 'manual', you don't mean "dpkg -i ..." do you?
[05:03] <ABRAXAS77> graabein, u can see in your tv all what is in your screen,is what u want ?
[05:03] <graabein> ABRAXAS77, i found a couple howto's but i got some error message... can't remember
[05:03] <Amaranth> ABRAXAS77: No, he wants it to treat it as a dual-monitor setup.
[05:03] <raz> dcraven, dunno: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[05:04] <raz> ivoks, aight, thanks for all.
[05:04] <justin> ivoks: _I_ have them because _I_ installed the mplayer packages.. i'm not the one saying anything different
[05:04] <ivoks> justin: well, he installed mplayer too :)
[05:04] <ABRAXAS77> i dont know graabein, Amaranth
[05:04] <raz> ivoks, have a nice day.
[05:04] <musician> thoreauputic, should i go to intel's website to find out more about soundcard situation?
[05:04] <graabein> anyone with the setup? nice if they could post the conf-file
[05:04] <thoreauputic> musician: good idea
[05:05] <ABRAXAS77> why u use ubuntu?,why u think is better?,i want to know the diferences
[05:05] <graabein> ABRAXAS77, my friend recommended it.. i wanted to try linux again...
[05:05] <thoreauputic> musician: if you are keen to use rosegarden you might want to get a soundcard that supports its features easily
[05:05] <graabein> ABRAXAS77, especially when i got an internet connection. just say no to microsoft!
[05:05] <ABRAXAS77> graabein,  if u ask me,ill tell u slackware,but i dont know ubuntu,im installing it now
[05:06] <thoreauputic> musician: setting up software synth is a bit of a challenge unless you are rather determined
[05:06] <musician> thoreauputic, i'm not sure yet whether i'm keen or not. However, it sure looks good!
[05:06] <tbasten> how do i get swat to work?
[05:06] <graabein> ABRAXAS77, yeah, havent tried it myself... just tried ubuntu and a very old version of suse linux
[05:06] <ABRAXAS77> graabein, try slackware,u will feel inlove with slack
[05:07] <graabein> ABRAXAS77, hehe, maybe. im happy with ubuntu so far. dont feel the need to try other distros
[05:07] <thoreauputic> musician: if you can live with a soundless rosegarden, try writing a simple melody with it and exporting it as midi, then play it with timidity
[05:07] <robertj> try Ubuntu, you will do something other than mess with your computer all day
[05:07] <robertj> ;)
[05:07] <logik> If you're on a laptop, does your a plugged in USB keyboard use the same keyboard layout as the integrated keyboard or are they separate?
[05:07] <ABRAXAS77> graabein, have u got experience with unix?
[05:07] <thoreauputic> musician: that works, but is rather frustrating
[05:07] <dcraven> robertj: That's all I do...
[05:07] <musician> sounds so!
[05:07] <ABRAXAS77> I mean BSD or solaris graabein
[05:07] <robertj> hehe, dcraven: ok, so maybe not ;)
[05:07] <dcraven> :)
[05:07] <graabein> ABRAXAS77, we had unix at the university when i went to school some 7-8 years ago
[05:08] <ABRAXAS77> is better graabein?
[05:08] <graabein> ABRAXAS77, havnet tried bsd or solaris
[05:08] <ABRAXAS77> ah
[05:08] <Amaranth> ABRAXAS77: Can you change your nick please? I keep seeing all caps and thinking someone is shouting.
[05:08] <thoreauputic> musician: it's worth doing the work - rosegarden enables you to compose your own midis
[05:08] <Amaranth> graabein: Slackware is only good if you know how to do linux administration.
[05:08] <ABRAXAS77> I dont understand u Amaranth,but i can change my nick,which nick u want?
[05:08] <graabein> Amaranth, ok. some way down the road for me then...
[05:08] <musician> thoreauputic, sounds great.
[05:08] <Amaranth> ABRAXAS77: The same nick but lowercase would be good.
[05:09] <ABRAXAS77> Amaranth, lowercase?,you mean abraxas77?
[05:09] <Amaranth> graabein: If you don't have problems with Ubuntu now you probably won't when you get to the point where you could run Slackware. :)
[05:09] <Amaranth> ABRAXAS77: Yeah.
[05:09] <thingfish> ABRAXAS77: all caps is generally in IRC considered to be shouting, and rude.
[05:09] <thoreauputic> musician: I just wish it ws easier ;/
[05:09] <thoreauputic> *was
[05:09] <thingfish> :)
[05:09] <abraxas77> thingfish, caps is mayus?
[05:09] <dcraven> abraxas77: Much better.
[05:09] <musician> thoreauputic, is it safe to jump to the conclusion that my computer does not have a dedicated sound card and uses its motherboard to make music? is it safe to conclude this... or will jumping this step mess up proceeding ones?
[05:09] <graabein> Amaranth, ill stay with ubuntu for the time being. i like it alot!
[05:09] <thingfish> abraxas77: caps=CAPS
[05:10] <abraxas77> ah,now i understood
[05:10] <remin> has anyone got Jahshaka to work on ubuntu??
[05:10] <thingfish> abraxas77: short for capitals
[05:10] <abraxas77> yes
[05:10] <musician> thoreauputic, i have a hunch it is. (i.e. needs software synth).
[05:10] <thoreauputic> musician: it won't mess it up: you just will do unecessary work
[05:10] <thoreauputic> musician: it probably does, given the error you got on running rosegarden
[05:10] <musician> coz trying to google for info on my audio is such work.
[05:11] <thoreauputic> ie needs softare synth
[05:11] <thoreauputic> *software
[05:11] <musician> yes. and i think, too, that intel doesn't make any dedicated sound cards, at least not in the year that my computer was built (3-4 years ago).
[05:11] <thingfish> if you're going to be doing major audio stuff with your computer, you need a real soundcard, not an integrated intel AC'97 chip on your motherboard.
[05:12] <Shuddertrix> musician: if you're serious about music, then you should probably get a nice sound card
[05:12] <thingfish> you can pick up an sblive or audigy for not too much these days.
[05:12] <thoreauputic> musician: I believe soundblaster cards are fairly cheap and support midi ( this needs checking ;) )
[05:12] <thingfish> they do
[05:12] <thingfish> and are
[05:12] <musician> thingfish, thanks for your message. So we can conclude then that my computer is IN FACT a computer that doesn't have hardware sound features, yes?
[05:13] <Shuddertrix> thoreauputic: My pci128 works fine with midi, great stereo output
[05:13] <Shuddertrix> musician: correct
[05:13] <thingfish> musician: yes, you have an integrated chip on the motherboard.  Those are notorious under linux.
[05:13] <thoreauputic> Shuddertrix: great! I think I will be investing in a decent soundcard ASAP
[05:14] <musician> Notorious? in what way? Do you mean notorious in the sense of setting up the software, of needing to read the ubuntu wikis and ubuntu howtos?
[05:14] <thoreauputic> musician: on board sound is not well supported , in general
[05:15] <thoreauputic> musician: reading the wikis and howtos is still a good idea, BTW
[05:15] <thoreauputic> musician: in fact reading is the key to a lot of Linux problems and knowledge, of course
[05:16] <DunkMaster> yo
[05:16] <musician> i was able to play midis with timidity, (and frozen bubble sounds great), so i'm not really sure what you mean about integrated-chip-on-motherboard not being well-supported...
[05:16] <nihao> real player issue: the RPM (rp10) I downloaded from real.com doesn't match the one specified in Ubuntu realplay installer (rp8)
[05:17] <nihao> I tried by renaming the RPM, installation failed. anyone knows how to do it?
[05:17] <^thehatsrule^> ... use a .deb nihao
[05:18] <DunkMaster> hello, AYTTM gives me this error when i try to connect MSN: Unable to connect MSN HTTPS Server (bad cookies)
[05:18] <tbasten> anyone know much about SWAT?
[05:18] <thenuke> tbasten: what do you want to know about
[05:19] <Shuddertrix> nihao: use the installer that realplayer provides or use alien to convert the rpm to deb
[05:19] <thingfish> tbasten: I know it exists, never used it though.
[05:19] <DunkMaster> so my question is if there are other MSN clients avaliable on atp-get (exept aMSN) or how can i fix this problem
[05:19] <nickrud_> nihao the realplayer installer works well with ubuntu, it's about the only one I've tried that does.
[05:20] <musician> thoreauputic, hopefully, there will be less reading time necessary for the enduser. This then will make it easier for windows users to make the leap into linux.
[05:20] <nickrud_> nihao install it in opt, for example
[05:20] <Cred> Hello. Could someone help me to get my USB microphone to work?
[05:20] <thoreauputic> musician: it's getting better. Ubuntu is an example of the improvement
[05:20] <abraxas77> is normal that after installation tghe ubuntu take a lot of time to start the first time?,he say me is unpacketing all
[05:20] <abraxas77> unpacking*
[05:21] <DunkMaster> yes it is
[05:21] <tbasten> thenuke, i want to know how to get it started
[05:21] <abraxas77> ah
[05:21] <musician> thoreauputic, yes, ubuntu is great. my first (and as of yet, my only) linux distro.
[05:21] <thoreauputic> musician: a few years ago linux was much more difficult for new users
[05:21] <DunkMaster> it took me 2.5 hours to install
[05:21] <tbasten> thenuke, i type it into the terminal and it just sits there doing nothing
[05:21] <DunkMaster> and its real slow machine
[05:21] <musician> thoreauputic, i hear. a few years ago, i hear, you had to know the parts of your computer. Now installation is a breezy breeze.
[05:22] <HappyFool> well, except when it doesn't work
[05:22] <Shuddertrix> DunkMaster: try kopete, gaim, one of those multi-protocol clients for msn.
[05:22] <nihao> nickrud_: can you tell me the details? I am a new bie :-)  your installer is  the .rpm, OR .BIN?
[05:22] <thoreauputic> musician: Installing Debian used to be a rite of passage :)
[05:22] <DunkMaster> ty Shuddertrix
[05:22] <nickrud_> nihao the bin
[05:22] <thenuke> tbasten: I thought you are talking about the SWAT game:)
[05:22] <Shuddertrix> nihao: use the .bin file to install it
[05:22] <Lafitte-> musician, alot fo hardware brezy  some not
[05:22] <nickrud_> nihao in a terminal, cd to the directory where it is
[05:23] <tbasten> thenuke, lol
[05:23] <musician> Lafitte-, pardon?
[05:23] <sebastian> hi, I was wondering if someone could help me, I never used linux(ubuntu) before and I can't install new programs. It says that I need to run as root or something like that. can someone help me?
[05:23] <Shuddertrix> launch it up in a terminal and you're installing it, huzzah.
[05:23] <Lafitte-> thoreauputic,  sarge still is
[05:23] <Shuddertrix> sebastian: sudo apt-get install whatever
[05:23] <logik> If you're on a laptop, does your a plugged in USB keyboard use the same keyboard layout as the integrated keyboard or are they separate?
[05:23] <sebastian> thanks
[05:23] <thoreauputic> Lafitte-: I've installed Sarge, and it's a lot easier than Woody !
[05:23] <Shuddertrix> sebastian: or, System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager
[05:23] <Lafitte-> musician,  you said installing linux is a breezy breeze   i has  alot fo hardware   not all
[05:24] <nihao> nickrud, Shuddertrix: I see. thanks! but, does this bring inconsistency to dependency database by synaptic?
[05:24] <Lafitte-> thoreauputic,   still to this day   sarge doesnt install well to my laptop   but Ubuntu has fixed that :)
[05:24] <thoreauputic> musician: I think he means if you are lucky Linux finds your hardware, but not always :)
[05:24] <nickrud_> nihao: no, it's installed completely separaratly, that's why I put it in /opt
[05:24] <sebastian> ok, great, I'll come back if I can't get it to work
[05:25] <Lafitte-> musician,  yes thats what i meant
[05:25] <cornet> how can i share mounted disks over samba (external usb devices) under guest user, hal mounts them with permissions -rwx------ so i suspect i need to get hal to mount using different permissions
[05:25] <nihao> nickrud: ok, now I will try. thanks.
[05:25] <tbasten> Ok, what is a GUI frontend for samba
[05:25] <thoreauputic> Lafitte-: yes, Ubuntu installed very easily for me too ( on ppc and i386)
[05:25] <musician> Lafitte-, i'm sorry to hear of your problem installing hoary.
[05:26] <Lafitte-> musician,   hoary     no dude  this works fine   im talking about straight up debian  install
[05:26] <sijmen> thoreauputic, what ppc?
[05:26] <thoreauputic> tbasten: swat i think
[05:26] <musician> Lafitte-, ah.
[05:26] <thoreauputic> sijmen: ibook G4 - only problem is wireless
[05:26] <musician> Lafitte-, i comprehend.
[05:27] <sijmen> thoreauputic, yes, that's what i understood earlyer
[05:27] <Lafitte-> musician,  i put linux down for 2 years because of lack of hardware support         so im very pleased with ubuntu :)
[05:27] <HappyFool> tbasten: have you gotten swat working?
[05:27] <tbasten> nah
[05:27] <tbasten> it just sits there
[05:27] <Lafitte-> anyone using breezy yet ?
[05:27] <musician> Lafitte-, i've only jumped into linux this month, and i'm rather pleased, as well. 8) 8) 8)
[05:27] <HappyFool> tbasten: you're aware you need to connect to it via a web-browser ?
[05:28] <DunkMaster> Lafitte- not me
[05:28] <tbasten> no... how do i do that?
[05:28] <Lafitte-> DunkMaster,  it broke my system   grin
[05:28] <DunkMaster> oh
[05:28] <HappyFool> tbasten: try browsing to http://localhost:901
[05:28] <DunkMaster> not good
[05:28] <Cycro> hello
[05:28] <Lafitte-> DunkMaster,    heh   no  it wasnt   i had full redo on laptop after that
[05:29] <tbasten> HappyFool, could not connect to host
[05:29] <Cycro> i just installed ubuntu, can ne1 answer some questions?
[05:29] <DunkMaster> Lafitte- oh
[05:29] <cornet> actually solved it
[05:29] <HappyFool> tbasten: have you started the swat service ? (i don't have it installed here, so i can't test it)
[05:29] <thoreauputic> Cycro: just ask
[05:29] <tbasten> HappyFool, i dont know how to start it :S
[05:29] <thoreauputic> Cycro: don't ask to ask :)
[05:29] <Lafitte-> ubuntuguide.org  has an upgrade directions there   but says  thi smight break your system
[05:29] <HappyFool> tbasten: i'm guessing it'll be 'sudo /etc/init.d/swat start', or something
[05:29] <sijmen> tbasten, sudo /etc/init.d/swat start
[05:29] <Lafitte-> of course i had to take the challenge   heh e
[05:30] <bzbb> last night, I setup fglrx, however, fgl_glxgears won't run
[05:30] <Cycro> when i download something from the synaptic package manager, where do the files go?
[05:30] <HappyFool> then try that URL again
[05:30] <tbasten> sudo: /etc/init.d/swat: command not found
[05:30] <novaflare> brb reboot
[05:30] <HappyFool> let me see how big the install is... one moment
[05:30] <vergas> join #pokemon
[05:30] <DunkMaster> Lafitte- redoing the system can be a pain in the ass, if your machine is pretty slow
[05:30] <thoreauputic> Cycro: various places - all of them right :)
[05:30] <DunkMaster> i had to reinstall ubuntu once
[05:30] <DunkMaster> took over 2.5 hours
[05:30] <DunkMaster> lol
[05:30] <nickrud> Cycro the deb package will go into /var/cache/apt/archives
[05:30] <HappyFool> tbasten: if you're willing to wait a few minutes, i can install it
[05:31] <sgtbash> hi
[05:31] <tbasten> ok
[05:31] <Lafitte-> DunkMaster,   yeah   my laptop is not slow     but   all the fixes for Ubuntu and add ons take awhile
[05:31] <tbasten> HappyFool, just let me know
[05:31] <DunkMaster> Lafitte- well that machine is 200MMX so its good it took only 2.5 hours. lol
[05:31] <HappyFool> tbasten: hrm. eta of download is 20 min.
[05:31] <nickrud> Cycro to find the commands from the package, dpkg -L | grep bin
[05:31] <sgtbash> anybody knows how i could compile cedegacvs on ubuntu amd64 hoary 5.04? -
[05:32] <tbasten> HappyFool, :P
[05:32] <tbasten> HappyFool, dialup?
[05:32] <scythe> it took me a couple of hours yesterday to dl and install a system plus upgrade over broadband on my laptop
[05:32] <Lafitte-> DunkMaster,     wow    since slowest speed recomended is 300mhz i think    hehe
[05:32] <HappyFool> tbasten: indeed
[05:32] <abraxas77> fucking ubuntu, he doesnt asked me password of root and now i cant put it,what can i do?
[05:33] <HappyFool> tbasten: our local telcomonopoly has priced adsl out of the range of mere mortals
[05:33] <sijmen> abraxas77, you can sudo :)
[05:33] <musician> how do i get out of a man? and still stay in the terminal?
[05:33] <sijmen> the first user you create has all rights for sudo, iirc
[05:33] <sijmen> os x style :)(
[05:33] <tbasten> HappyFool, :S
[05:33] <Lafitte-> abraxas77,  start not useing f-words in channel
[05:33] <DunkMaster> Lafitte- im a hero, i ran Mandrake 10.0 on KDE
[05:33] <abraxas77> sudo?
[05:33] <rimmer> hey, I have troubles installing application from sourcecode, can anyone help me out?
[05:33] <Lafitte-> DunkMaster,   hehe
[05:33] <abraxas77> ok,ok,dont be angry
[05:33] <DunkMaster> :P
[05:33] <Lafitte-> abraxas77,  never
[05:33] <abraxas77> is there solution?
[05:33] <DunkMaster> i like gnome more
[05:34] <Burgundavia> rimmer, why application?
[05:34] <Lafitte-> abraxas77,    you can set the root password
[05:34] <tbasten> Anyknow use trannset?
[05:34] <scythe> my system still asks for a pwd when i sudo
[05:34] <abraxas77> Lafitte-, how?
[05:34] <abraxas77> single root?
[05:34] <ccc> scythe: it should
[05:34] <sijmen> scythe, enter your user password
[05:34] <scythe> i just use the same password as my user..... works
[05:34] <Lafitte-> abraxas77,   ill get the command
[05:34] <HappyFool> tbasten: try 'dpkg -L swat|grep /etc/init.d/'
[05:34] <danboid> hi!
[05:34] <HappyFool> scythe: that's how it's supposed to work
[05:35] <tbasten> HappyFool, nothing
[05:35] <scythe> i misunderstood what you meant when you said the first user you create has all access to sudo
[05:35] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hmmm setting up ubuntu on a secondary pc and its freezing when Setting the system clock using the hardware clock as reference... any ideas to fix that ?
[05:35] <Cred> dmesg says it sees the new USB device, how can I map that device to be a microphone?
[05:35] <scythe> i prefer it that way
[05:35] <danboid> Has anyone produced a script to sort out Hoary's problems with removable discs yet?
[05:35] <Lafitte-> abraxas77, sudo passwd root
[05:35] <HappyFool> tbasten: hrm
[05:35] <rimmer> can someone help me install this: http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/vyqchat/vyqchat-0.2.7.tar.gz
[05:35] <Shuddertrix> danboid: what problem?
[05:35] <scythe> what is that problem danboid
[05:35] <tbasten> when i type http://localhost:901/ into my browser it says connection refused
[05:35] <HappyFool> tbasten: ok, i'll get back to you in 16 minutes ;)
[05:36] <tbasten> kk
[05:36] <thingfish> and I thought Abraxas came out sometime in the 60's, didn't it?
[05:36] <thingfish> hehe
[05:36] <rimmer> anyone? please?
[05:36] <abraxas77> Lafitte-, thank u very much
[05:36] <danboid> optical and USB discs don't work properly on every single machine I've installed Hoary (kubuntu)
[05:36] <Lafitte-> abraxas77,  that work :)
[05:36] <abraxas77> ubuntu looks nice
[05:37] <abraxas77> yes
[05:37] <Lafitte-> abraxas77,  it is nice    Hey
[05:37] <danboid> there is always a number of problems
[05:37] <thingfish> newbie: you should try to avoid installing from source on a debian-based system if you can help it.
[05:37] <tbasten> HappyFool, cant cant even view http://127.0.0.1
[05:37] <Lafitte-> abraxas77,    check here   www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:37] <newbie> thingfish why?
[05:37] <HappyFool> tbasten: you'll need to install apache for that
[05:37] <Lafitte-> abraxas77,   alot of how too there  and certain fixes
[05:37] <HappyFool> tbasten: ports are only available if services are listening on them
[05:37] <scythe> ive got a sony drx720UL usb dvd drive... it works fine, except for the whole hotplug thing (it doesnt, but not an issue for me)
[05:38] <thingfish> newbie: because during install it can overwrite system files and there's no way for dpkg and apt-get to account for the changes made.
[05:38] <HappyFool> tbasten: and by default, ubuntu doesn't have all that many network services running
[05:38] <newbie> hm ok so can you help me with installing from debian binary ?
[05:38] <thingfish> newbie: look for what you want in Synaptic, instead.
[05:38] <tbasten> HappyFool, i have apache installed
[05:39] <Shuddertrix> and remember, all the good applications provide a debian or rpm package that you can use with any distro using apt (use alien for rpm conversion)
[05:39] <newbie> thingfish: so should I use binary instead ?
[05:39] <tbasten> HappyFool, got it
[05:39] <tbasten> HappyFool, just cant get swat working.. i wait for u
[05:39] <thingfish> newbie: you should use a .deb if one is available.
[05:39] <newbie> ok I have .deb file, what now ?
[05:39] <HappyFool> tbasten: apache needs to be running
[05:39] <Shuddertrix> newbie: apt-get install whatever, dpkg --install whatever-1.0.deb
[05:39] <scythe> does anyone know of a good vpn program or a gui for pptp
[05:39] <thingfish> newbie: and ideally, one made for ubuntu.
[05:40] <thingfish> newbie: dpkg -i packagename.deb
[05:40] <Echelon-H> hi
[05:40] <newbie> ok thanks...
[05:40] <Shuddertrix> or one made for Debian sid/sarge. Those seem to work fine with ubuntu, at least for me.
[05:40] <Hoxzer^^> Do you guys know any BT client that supports that I can choose what part of torrent I wan't to download?
[05:40] <thingfish> do they, I haven't tried that Shuddertrix.
[05:40] <abraxas77> hey,is there anybody from Israel/Palestine here?
[05:40] <ccc> Hoxzer^^: Azureus
[05:41] <Shuddertrix> Hoxzer^^: I don't think there is any bittorrent client that can handle that
[05:41] <Fator_Dee> Shuddertrix: azureus can
[05:41] <Echelon-H> is there anyway I can delete the data from mysql-admin?
[05:41] <Shuddertrix> Azureus uses some weird way of doing it that's not the greatest. I used it once and it corrupted the files.
[05:41] <Echelon-H> It's trying to read from CD that's not there anymore and the program always crashes
[05:41] <Echelon-H> reinstalling won't help.
[05:42] <ccc> Shuddertrix: works perfect for me
[05:42] <newbie> I have errors, can anyone help me ? please PM me someone and I will paste him details
[05:42] <newbie> please
[05:42] <abraxas77> ubuntu havent mcedit??!!!
[05:42] <Fator_Dee> Shuddertrix: works perfect for me too :-/
[05:42] <abraxas77> newbie, what is ur problem?
[05:42] <Shuddertrix> Anyways, it's probably been fixed since that was on a older version. I don't use azureus anyways, way too bloated
[05:42] <Fator_Dee> Shuddertrix: not bloated on my opinion :-p
[05:43] <Fator_Dee> Shuddertrix: works great with my old comp too
[05:43] <Hoxzer^^> Hmm.... seems like my internet with my linux comp is suddenly not working. Any ideas with might be the problem?
[05:43] <Shuddertrix> Anything that uses Java to me, is very bloated.
[05:43] <rob_afk> ooh thunar shiny!
[05:43] <thoreauputic> abraxas77: install mc
[05:43] <DunkMaster> thank you all
[05:43] <DunkMaster> bye
[05:43] <Shuddertrix> It has too many features for me ;)
[05:44] <rg58sma> hi
[05:44] <rg58sma> someone use "airsnort"
[05:44] <thoreauputic> newbie: you can paste your errors on pastebin.ubuntu.com and give us the url
[05:44] <andrewski> rob_afk: are you using it?
[05:45] <scythe> nm my last question
[05:45] <Hoxzer^^> how I can re get my IP's from DHCP?
[05:45] <andrewski> Hoxzer^^: /etc/init.d/networking restart, IIRC
[05:46] <Echelon-H> anyone knows how can I remove a program COMPLETLY?
[05:46] <rg58sma> someone use "airsnort"
[05:46] <Fator_Dee> Hoxzer^^: cable not connected? someone in the line of wlan signal :-p
[05:46] <tbasten> HappyFool, i sorta working
[05:46] <andrewski> rg58sma: don't repost.  instead, maybe rephrase your question.
[05:46] <Burgundavia> Echelon-H, mark for complete removal in synaptic
[05:46] <rg58sma> someone use "airsnort"???
[05:46] <rob_afk> andrewski: Im looking at it
[05:46] <rob_afk> theres not a lot to use now
[05:46] <HappyFool> tbasten: ah-ha?
[05:47] <Echelon-H> I am using xfce, where can I find synaptic?
[05:47] <Hoxzer^^> Fator: well it says that cable is connected and it is
[05:47] <HappyFool> heh. that's a rephrased question
[05:47] <andrewski> robertj: true.  looks freaking sweet though, eh?
[05:47] <Burgundavia> Echelon-H, just run it, gksduo synaptic
[05:47] <robertj> andrewski: well its a good idea
[05:47] <andrewski> Echelon-H: it's not in the menus.
[05:47] <Hoxzer^^> anyway lan isn't working too ://
[05:47] <robertj> I think we'd be better if they just forked nautilus
[05:47] <tbasten> HappyFool, need to make the /etc/init.d/swat file myself and add a line into /etc/services/
[05:47] <Echelon-H> has anyone ever tried gmailfs?
[05:47] <sijmen> robertj, i missed something, who are 'they'?
[05:48] <andrewski> Echelon-H: what is it?
[05:48] <Burgundavia> robertj, you talking Ubuntu devs?
[05:48] <HappyFool> tbasten: swat's already in /etc/services
[05:48] <Fator_Dee> sijmen: "they", the developers
[05:48] <robertj> Burg: no, just Thunar in general
[05:48] <rg58sma> someone use "airsnort"???
[05:48] <robertj> I'm not even sure a fork would be needed
[05:48] <andrewski> Echelon-H: regarding synaptic, see https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10752
[05:48] <Burgundavia> robertj, oh
[05:48] <REds> does any one know howto make gnome save window places in hoary
[05:48] <REds> i cant get it to remember the last window place were the app was
[05:48] <andrewski> REds: devilspie or wmctrl.
[05:48] <HappyFool> tbasten: try grep swat /etc/services
[05:49] <Echelon-H> andrewski, thats making your gmail a filesystem
[05:49] <tbasten> HappyFool, it wasnt there
[05:49] <tbasten> HappyFool, i had to add it
[05:49] <andrewski> Echelon-H: i thought so.  you do realize that's in violation of gmail's terms of service, right?
[05:49] <Echelon-H> andrewski, it is?
[05:49] <azad> hi there.. i lost my graphical surface! and "startx" doesn't work.. doesn't find the command
[05:49] <HappyFool> tbasten: hrm. you're running hoary on i386, right ?
[05:49] <andrewski> Echelon-H: uh, yeah.
[05:49] <Echelon-H> andrewski, weird. why?
[05:50] <Fator_Dee> Echelon-H: 'cause they say so?
[05:50] <andrewski> Echelon-H: well, it's an email service, not filespace.
[05:50] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hey HappyFool could you help me when you get a chance ?
[05:50] <Echelon-H> Fator_Dee, they do?
[05:50] <tbasten> HappyFool, yeah
[05:50] <Shuddertrix> Echelon-H: It was due to abuse
[05:50] <robertj> the bottom line about Thunar's UI is "Yes, it's okay to steal from Finder"
[05:50] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> or even Fator_Dee you ?
[05:50] <Echelon-H> arrrg, even with complete removal i still got this problem.
[05:50] <andrewski> Echelon-H: and while they give you 2 gigs, if every user aggressively filled it up, they probably wouldn't be able to offer that.
[05:50] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hmmm setting up ubuntu on a secondary pc and its freezing when Setting the system clock using the hardware clock as reference... any ideas to fix that ?
[05:50] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: depends on what is the problem
[05:50] <HappyFool> Pop_pa_FrEaK: ask the question in channel
[05:50] <Shuddertrix> Someone hacked up a python script to link together many gmail accounts to get a big drive. Don't ask me how.. but it was done..
[05:50] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: if I can, I will
[05:51] <azad> any idea, anyone?
[05:51] <andrewski> azad: what about 'Xorg'
[05:51] <tbasten> HappyFool, do i need to install xinetd,
[05:51] <Echelon-H> anyone of you guys knows how can I delete the data of mysql-admin?
[05:52] <HappyFool> tbasten: i don't think so. it's not a dependency
[05:52] <Echelon-H> it just always makes this problem. I need to delete cache or something.
[05:52] <azad> ah that's it.. -.- but still doesn't work andrewski, Fatal server error
[05:52] <andrewski> azad: then something's messed up in your config.
[05:52] <HappyFool> Pop_pa_FrEaK: just a sec
[05:53] <mojo> happy saturnday!
[05:53] <azad> could not open defaucould not open default font 'fixed' it says
[05:53] <HappyFool> Pop_pa_FrEaK: maybe disabling the hwclock.sh script in /etc/init.d will help
[05:53] <Echelon-H> anyone?
[05:53] <andrewski> azad: sorry, i don't honestly know.
[05:53] <cerius> \join ubuntu-de
[05:54] <azad> okay, thanks anyway :)
[05:54] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> happy fool this is freezing when doing the first initial setup
[05:54] <thoreauputic> cerius: heh - this isn't windows :)
[05:54] <andrewski> azad: don't give up though; there are others here who could probably help.
[05:54] <thoreauputic> cerius:  /join #ubuntu-de
[05:55] <azad> i won't
[05:55] <azad> would be too much traffic to reinstall ;)
[05:55] <mojo> azad, where do you get the font problem?
[05:55] <azad> mojo: when i boot or "Xorg"
[05:55] <mojo> azad, you looked in the xorg log file in /var/logs?
[05:56] <azad> no
[05:56] <azad> let me see
[05:56] <HappyFool> tbasten: hrm. well, i've installed swat but it is not obvious how it works! :)
[05:56] <Echelon-H> where do programs usually store data?
[05:56] <tbasten> HappyFool, how it going
[05:56] <Fator_Dee> Echelon-H: depends on the data
[05:56] <mojo> i had a prob when i first switched from xfree86 to xorg, as i was upgrading warty to hoary.  been a while but i think i found something i just needed to apt-get install
[05:56] <phanter> hello. I just installed sphinx and festival. But how d i get speech recognition to work now?
[05:56] <azad> hm mojo, what to look for?
[05:57] <mojo> azad, um, lemme see... bbiaf
[05:57] <Echelon-H> Fator_Dee, some stuff of the mysql-admin
[05:57] <Fator_Dee> azad: anything with EEs
[05:57] <tbasten> HappyFool, ?
[05:57] <Echelon-H> Fator_Dee, and I don't mean the Mysql data. I mean mysql-admin data
[05:57] <andrewski> azad: see, there you go! :)
[05:57] <HappyFool> tbasten: is your samba running ?
[05:57] <azad> :)
[05:57] <tbasten> yeah
[05:57] <azad> Fator_Dee: you mean (EE) or sth in the beginning of a line?
[05:57] <Fator_Dee> azad: EE means error
[05:58] <Fator_Dee> azad: and it's on the beginning of the line
[05:58] <mojo> azad: yeah, just what Fator_Dee said... look for the (EE) lines...
[05:58] <azad> what does WW mean?
[05:58] <Fator_Dee> warning :-p
[05:58] <mojo> Warning. They are listed near the top of the file.
[05:58] <Fator_Dee> (obvious eh?)
[05:58] <_jim> hi guys, just installed ubuntu for my dad, got everything working ok, but i have to manually do /sbin/route add default gw 10.2.2.3 all the time
[05:58] <azad> yah, if you know it it is ;)
[05:58] <_jim> which isn't really ok for my dad
[05:58] <mojo> Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
[05:58] <mojo> 	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
[05:58] <mojo> 	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[05:58] <azad> well i have some wornings here
[05:58] <_jim> where can i add this perminately
[05:59] <Fator_Dee> azad: well, E like an error and W like a warning :-p
[05:59] <andrewski> Jim: open the networking control program.
[05:59] <azad> the directory /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc doesn't exist ....
[05:59] <azad> thanks ;)
[05:59] <_jim> andrewski: yeh tried that...it doesn't save the settings
[05:59] <HappyFool> tbasten: i think you were right about inetd
[05:59] <thoreauputic> _jim: /etc/network/interfaces I think
[05:59] <andrewski> jim: 'network-admin' it's called. :)
[05:59] <rmflagg> After I login, what does gdm start to load?
[05:59] <Fator_Dee> azad: reinstall fonts?
[05:59] <_jim> andrewski: yes, tried that...It didn't save the change...
[05:59] <Fator_Dee> azad: I remember I had an error like that a while ago too, you might try to reconfigure xorg too
[05:59] <mojo> az, fator, yeah... 1 sec az and i'll tell you which font pkgs i have installed...
[06:00] <andrewski> jim: did you select the default gateway device at the bottom?
[06:00] <_jim> thoreauputic: thanks i'll have a look
[06:00] <tbasten> Got it
[06:00] <tbasten> i think
[06:00] <_jim> andrewski: yes...its ok, i am not new...just new to debian systems..
[06:00] <_jim> not sure where debian stores stuff
[06:00] <andrewski> jim: i don't expect that you're new; i had the same problems when i switched to ubuntu. :)
[06:01] <tbasten> HappyFool, its trying to load a page but its just sitting there
[06:01] <mojo> azad: START with xfonts-base
[06:01] <azad> hm
[06:01] <HappyFool> tbasten: don't you get a username/password prompt ?
[06:02] <tbasten> nah not yet
[06:02] <mojo> azad: also maybe xfonts-scaleable, xfonts-100dpi, xfonts-75dpi
[06:02] <azad> Fator_Dee: how to reinstall fonts? (somehow that sounds stupid o.O)
[06:02] <tbasten> its just hanging there
[06:02] <HappyFool> tbasten: try 'netstat -lnt'
[06:02] <thoreauputic> _jim: man interfaces might help too
[06:02] <Fator_Dee> azad: sudo apt-get install
[06:02] <HappyFool> tbasten: you should see a line like this: tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:901             0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN
[06:02] <Fator_Dee> azad: and in the end you put what to install
[06:02] <azad> haha :P
[06:02] <tbasten> HappyFool, tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:901             0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN
[06:03] <mojo> azad: apt-get install packagename
[06:03] <HappyFool> well, that's a start
[06:03] <azad> i know the apt-get command.. at least parts of it ;)
[06:03] <HappyFool> tbasten: but when you connect, nothing ?
[06:03] <azad> well.. i'll look for the package name then
[06:03] <mojo> azad: if they are already installed, try apt-get remove package then apt-get install package to reinstall
[06:03] <Fator_Dee> azad: mojo said them
[06:03] <scythe> need some help... what is the default url for outlook web access ... XX.yourdomain.com
[06:03] <mojo> azad: 1st try xfonts-base
[06:03] <tbasten> HappyFool, yeah, just says "Connecting to www.localhost.com..."
[06:04] <azad> ah
[06:04] <azad> well.. newest version, it tells
[06:04] <HappyFool> tbasten: that's not right ;)
[06:04] <tbasten> yeah
[06:04] <HappyFool> tbasten: try http://127.0.0.1:901 ?
[06:04] <rmflagg> I have a GDM question...can someone help?
[06:04] <tbasten> nope
[06:04] <Shuddertrix> rmflagg: don't ask to ask, just ASK
[06:04] <HappyFool> tbasten: now what happens ?
[06:05] <rmflagg> I did and no one answered...just checking that someone can read it...
[06:05] <tbasten> HappyFool, "The document contains no data"
[06:05] <Shuddertrix> question again, then
[06:05] <mojo> azad: 'sudo apt-get remove xfonts-base'  then 'sudo apt-get install xfonts-base' for starters
[06:05] <HappyFool> eish
[06:05] <rmflagg> After I login with GDM, of course, what does GDM start running from there?
[06:05] <ligows> just wondering if you guys have a firewall. I'm thinking of getting firestarter (www.fs-security.com). Is this kind of security necessary for Ubuntu users?
[06:05] <Shuddertrix> Whatever is needed for your session
[06:06] <Fator_Dee> azad: or you can do sudo apt-get --reinstall packagename
[06:06] <HappyFool> tbasten: try killing your browser, and then restarting samba and inetd
[06:06] <Shuddertrix> Like, for gnome, gnome-session, or for KDE, startkde, or XFCE, i believe it is startxfce but I'm not sure
[06:06] <tbasten> kk
[06:06] <LinuxJones> ligows, not necessary but it has some nice features
[06:06] <azad> ah okay
[06:06] <HappyFool> tbasten: that's a bit of a longshot though
[06:06] <psyc> hey, im trying to install xmms in ubuntu 5.04 (amd64), but  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports isnt working....
[06:06] <azad> thanks, i'll try that now
[06:06] <mojo> Fator_Dee: --reinstall ... cool, didn't know that one LOL
[06:06] <ligows> linuxjones, what features do you like?
[06:06] <psyc> anyone know why ?
[06:06] <Fator_Dee> mojo: the almighty man just told me
[06:06] <rmflagg> I installed Fluxbox and I want to start some other programs before running Flux and I can't find out what script it's running.
[06:07] <Kartagis> hello
[06:07] <ligows> what features are good to have? I hear Linux is safe. So what would be the point of a firewall?
[06:07] <ra21vi> rmflagg:- ./.xinitrc
[06:07] <Shuddertrix> rmflagg: perhaps #fluxbox knows. surely that is a channel.
[06:07] <darkaudit> psyc: check ubuntuforums... that URL is no longer in use... use one of the mirrors
[06:07] <tbasten> nope
[06:07] <Fator_Dee> ligows: to restrict access of some services
[06:07] <LinuxJones> ligows, you can setup Internet Connection Sharing and a very nice Graphical Display showing when someone does a portscan or the like on your machine
[06:07] <tbasten> HappyFool, still nothing
[06:07] <jiyuu0> UbuntuGuide 3.00 is out (http://ubuntuguide.org)
[06:07] <azad> agh
[06:07] <Kartagis> I'm having telnet problems, can you help me?
[06:08] <azad> could not open default font 'fixed'
[06:08] <rmflagg> No, this seems to change from distro to distro
[06:08] <psyc> darkaudit, thanks, in ubunut pages, doesnt say that
[06:08] <psyc> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormatsPT
[06:08] <HappyFool> tbasten: hm. well, it's working here
[06:08] <darkaudit> psyc: there was a post in the backports section of ubuntuforums yesterday
[06:08] <ra21vi> anyone know how to change my resolution to 800x600 on on-board 845GV
[06:08] <HappyFool> tbasten: what's the line in your inetd.conf file look like ?
[06:08] <mojo> azad, try the xfonts-100dpi and xfonts-75dpi and xfonts-scaleable packages
[06:08] <HappyFool> tbasten: i just had to uncomment a line in that file
[06:08] <tbasten> swat stream tcp nowait.400 root /usr/local/samba/sbin/swat swat
[06:08] <mojo> azad: if those don't work then maybe we need to look into your xorg.log a little deeper
[06:09] <tbasten> HappyFool, thats all on 1 line
[06:09] <ligows> is there a list of differences b/w the new version of ubuntuguide and the previous?
[06:09] <Kartagis> Trying 192.168.1.2...
[06:09] <Kartagis> Connected to 192.168.1.2.
[06:09] <Kartagis> Escape character is '^] '. <--- this is where it freezes
[06:09] <Fator_Dee> azad: can you paste your xorg.conf to pastebin?
[06:09] <Shuddertrix> ligows: Click the link "changelog" at the top.
[06:09] <HappyFool> tbasten: mine looks different
[06:09] <Echelon-H> anyone knows what's the site to check the HTML?
[06:09] <Fator_Dee> azad: or put it up somewhere so I could take a look at it
[06:09] <tbasten> past yours
[06:09] <HappyFool> tbasten: swat            stream  tcp     nowait.400      root    /usr/sbin/tcpd  /usr/sbin/swat
[06:09] <azad> Fator_Dee: never used an non-graphical browser
[06:09] <Kartagis> Echelon-H: check what?
[06:09] <Echelon-H> nvm
[06:09] <azad> let me see the other fonts first
[06:10] <HappyFool> tbasten: after editing /etc/inetd.conf, restart inetd
[06:10] <tbasten> HappyFool, is there a # in the front of it?
[06:10] <mojo> Fator_Dee: pastebin???
[06:10] <HappyFool> no
[06:10] <Fator_Dee> azad: ok, after you've tried reinstalling those, try to reconfigure the xserver
[06:10] <HappyFool> a '#' is a comment
[06:10] <rmflagg> ra21vi: did you mean ~/.xinitrc?
[06:10] <Fator_Dee> mojo: www.pastebin.com
[06:10] <HappyFool> tbasten: it did have a '#<off>#' in front of it initially
[06:10] <Kartagis> I'm having telnet problems, can you help me guys?
[06:10] <Fator_Dee> azad: links is actually quite comfortable to use :-)
[06:10] <ra21vi> rmflagg:-  yup..
[06:10] <mojo> Fator_Dee: okay... intersting.  will look at taht
[06:10] <rmflagg> ra21vi: yeah, that doesn't exist...
[06:11] <Rowter> I have problems with sound, alsa seems to detect it, but there is no sound!.
[06:11] <Kartagis> Trying 192.168.1.2...
[06:11] <Kartagis> Connected to 192.168.1.2.
[06:11] <Kartagis> Escape character is '^] '. <--- this is where it freezes
[06:11] <ligows> question: get firestarter from the website or from repositories?
[06:11] <HappyFool> use the ubuntu repositories if at all possible
[06:11] <darkaudit> ligows: repositories is usually better
[06:11] <mojo> ligows: probably better to get from the repositories
[06:11] <Fator_Dee> the website version works though
[06:11] <Fator_Dee> I use it
[06:11] <tbasten> HappyFool, Boyah!!
[06:11] <sebastian> I just downloaded the browser opera and I'm having trouble installing it. its a tar.gz file. how do I install it?(first day using linux,ubuntu)
[06:11] <ligows> repositories will always have the same version as the websites?
[06:11] <HappyFool> tbasten: phew
[06:11] <Fator_Dee> ligows: no
[06:11] <HappyFool> tbasten: have fun configuring ;)
[06:11] <mojo> ligows: fyi, firestarter is more of a firewall front-end.  i think that the actual firewalling is done by iptables, which is a part of the neworking in the kernel (methinks!!!)
[06:12] <Fator_Dee> ligows: repositories are frozen
[06:12] <darkaudit> ligows: not at all...
[06:12] <tbasten> HappyFool, lol. Now, username and password :S
[06:12] <HappyFool> use your user's
[06:12] <tbasten> kk
[06:12] <rmflagg> What is the directory that GDM under Ubuntu uses for the startup scripts?
[06:12] <darkaudit> but that's not necessarily a bad thing, either
[06:12] <ra21vi> make it, cuz when X starts, it takes resources and exec from there, runs the programs etc on startup
[06:12] <HappyFool> i.e., the user who can sudo
[06:12] <ligows> what are the advantages of getting stuff from repositories as opposed to the websites?
[06:12] <HappyFool> it worked for me, anyway
[06:12] <reka> ligows: don't have to worry about dependencies
[06:12] <mojo> ligows: keeping your dependencies all straight!
[06:12] <jiyuu0> ligows, easier to install :)
[06:12] <Fator_Dee> ligows: using repositories the programs assimilate nicely to your system
[06:13] <azad> Fator_Dee: i just noticed that i don't even know how to copy without mouse
[06:13] <ligows> thank you. thank you for your responses. Wow, the love!
[06:13] <HappyFool> tbasten: i suggest you firewall off anything samba related. no need for the world to see those ports
[06:13] <azad> but i could send you the file via dcc i guess
[06:13] <Fator_Dee> azad: actually, me neither
[06:13] <rmflagg> I tried that and it still doesn't do anything.
[06:13] <Fator_Dee> azad: send away
[06:13] <ligows> And the encouragement to stay with the repositories...
[06:13] <azad> Fator_Dee: which file is it?
[06:13] <mojo> ligows: if you install w/o using repositories, then the apt package management system does not know about them
[06:13] <Fator_Dee> azad: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:13] <HappyFool> also, if you use the repositories you will automatically get security updates (assuming you update regularly)
[06:13] <LinuxJones> ligows, plus you don't know if someone has planted a trojan'd program in those other repositories :)
[06:14] <reka> mojo: not entirely correct.  synaptic shows locally installed deb files iirc
[06:14] <ligows> why then can we not have the repositories always have the most current stuff in them, as like in the websites?
[06:14] <tbasten> HappyFool, yeah. Um, how am i ment to edit stuff with this. I am after something like that is usable of a simple user :P
[06:14] <reka> ligows: b/c hoary is frozen
[06:14] <ligows> what's iirc?
[06:14] <HappyFool> tbasten: i'm not sure, but i think this is about as good as it gets
[06:14] <ligows> frozes?
[06:14] <LinuxJones> ligows, because Hoary is Stable which means few changes only Security and Major bug fixes
[06:14] <ligows> frozen?
[06:14] <darkaudit> ligows: need to keep a satble system...
[06:14] <reka> ligows: iirc: if i recall correctly
[06:15] <darkaudit> s/satble/stable
[06:15] <HappyFool> tbasten: samba is a fairly complicated piece of software
[06:15] <Echelon-H> can anyone please help me with enemy territory? I downloaded the install file but I don't know how to run it. it's a ".run" file.
[06:15] <Fator_Dee> azad: looks fine to me :-\
[06:15] <HappyFool> tbasten: take a look here: http://us3.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/
[06:15] <azad> hmm
[06:15] <thenuke> Echelon-H: have you read the readmes and such
[06:15] <F> oi
[06:15] <ligows> LinuxJones, by "those other repositories" you mean the universe and multiverse?
[06:15] <HappyFool> tbasten: and install the samba-doc package
[06:16] <darkaudit> ligows: the release version gets frozen, then work begins on the next release... and stuff breaks early and often there...
[06:16] <ligows> or are multivers and universe jus t as safe?
[06:16] <Echelon-H> thenuke, no readme and such. only run file.
[06:16] <azad> Fator_Dee: it suggests to "apt-get install x-window-system[-core] "
[06:16] <Echelon-H> hmmm, anyone knows of word like editor which supports hebrew?
[06:16] <darkaudit> ligows: universe and multiverse are official repositories... quite safe
[06:16] <Fator_Dee> azad: do that then
[06:16] <Echelon-H> the openoffice seems not to handle it.
[06:16] <LinuxJones> ligows, repositories that are on the net and not official mirrors. Stick to the Ubuntu repos and you'll be ok
[06:16] <azad> shall i? and what is this?
[06:16] <azad> i hope this still will be x.org and not xfree?
[06:17] <HappyFool> Kartagis: have you considered using ssh instead ?
[06:17] <F> oi
[06:17] <F> oi
[06:17] <Fator_Dee> Echelon-H: go to the directory in which the run file resides and then write "./filetorun"
[06:17] <ligows> wow, these repositories in ubuntu are like banks with lots of gold. I feel rich!
[06:17] <Kartagis> HappyFool: I'm trying to telnet my eggdrop, not a box
[06:17] <LinuxJones> ligows, there is lots of great stuff :)
[06:17] <ra21vi> do anyone know how to get involved into some Projects on Linux Apps...
[06:17] <azad> well *downloads*
[06:17] <reka> F: aussie aussie aussie
[06:18] <Amaranth> ra21vi: join the channels for the projects, sumbit patches and bug reports, etc
[06:18] <F> oi
[06:18] <darkaudit> reka: Myron Cope: Yoi and double yoi :)
[06:18] <HappyFool> Kartagis: sorry, no clue. i see #eggdrop only has 4 users, but try asking there anyway
[06:18] <Fator_Dee> Kartagis: what's the prob?
[06:18] <andrewski> azad: on breezy, it is Xorg
[06:18] <andrewski> azad: *hoary*
[06:18] <ligows> you know what my only problem is? it's that when it's time to uninstall, i'm not sure which of the packages i should mark for uninstallation. If i mark the correct one, then Synaptic will mark the others. But if I mark the "incorrect" package, then it's only that package that gets removed. 8-(
[06:18] <azad> fine
[06:18] <azad> breezy not?
[06:19] <Echelon-H> Fator_Dee, file not found :\
[06:19] <azad> well.. breezy, too i guess
[06:19] <andrewski> azad: no, breezy too, but you shouldn't be using it. :P
[06:19] <Kartagis> Fator_Dee: Trying 192.168.1.2...
[06:19] <Kartagis> Connected to 192.168.1.2.
[06:19] <Kartagis> Escape character is '^] '. <--- this is where my telnet freezes
[06:19] <azad> i know, but i'm a very strange person who does stupid things without knowing what it means :)
[06:19] <Fator_Dee> Echelon-H: you didn't write it right, or you weren't in hte directory
[06:19] <andrewski> azad: you're on breezy?
[06:19] <azad> yep
[06:20] <andrewski> azad: that would explain your problems!  i had them last weekend and had to reinstall hoary. :P
[06:20] <Fator_Dee> azad: why didn't you say so first :-p
[06:20] <darkaudit> azad: you're a braver person than I :)
[06:20] <Echelon-H> Fator_Dee, i did and i used console.
[06:20] <azad> not brave.. stupid
[06:20] <rg58sma> hi
[06:20] <azad> andrewski: well.. good to know *laughs*
[06:20] <Rowter> anyone had problems with VIA vt8237 sound card It looks like it's detected and working but no sound comes out..
[06:20] <rg58sma> how to makje a launcher to a  Directory
[06:20] <andrewski> azad: but i kinda gave up after a certain point.  maybe you'll have better luck. :)
[06:20] <rg58sma> or a file like airsnorto
[06:20] <darkaudit> azad: well, *someone's* gotta test the thing before release... might as well be you :)
[06:21] <rg58sma> or amule
[06:21] <andrewski> darkaudit: that was my logic too, but then I didn't have X.
[06:21] <azad> hehe
[06:21] <azad> well.. wouldn't be very interesting if i find out how.. because afterwards i still don't know what i've done
[06:22] <psyc> darkaudit, i still cant get Package.gz, apt-get trys to unbzip2 it, now why ?
[06:22] <andrewski> azad: if you don't know what you're doing or what things mean, you *definitely* should not be on breezy. :)
[06:22] <Kartagis> Fator_Dee: can you help me with that?
[06:22] <azad> i noticed that too, after a while
[06:22] <azad> but somehow i've got an update-fetish
[06:22] <Fator_Dee> Kartagis: I'd guess there's a firewall blocking it
[06:22] <andrewski> azad: then ubuntu probably isn't the best distro for you.
[06:23] <darkaudit> psyc: because it's not a .deb
[06:23] <azad> well.. i like it i have to say :)
[06:23] <Kartagis> Fator_Dee: it's local
[06:23] <andrewski> azad: good.
[06:23] <Kartagis> I'm trying it locally
[06:23] <Fator_Dee> Kartagis: try to specify the port
[06:23] <azad> i will reinstall hoary again then i guess
[06:23] <nolf> hey guyz
[06:23] <azad> but now i'll have diner :)
[06:23] <rg58sma> how to makje a launcher to a  Directory
[06:23] <Echelon-H> Fator_Dee, now it says premission denied.
[06:23] <Fator_Dee> Echelon-H: run as root then
[06:24] <azad> bye bye and thanks
[06:24] <darkaudit> Cate Archer rules! :)
[06:24] <Echelon-H> i used sudo, didn't work.
[06:24] <andrewski> azad: don't take my word that that's necessary, but it is probably quicker. :P
[06:24] <andrewski> azad: good luck!
[06:24] <mojo> azad: LOL... sry, i stepped away (friend at door).  Breezy huh?  I've been warned away for the time being myself
[06:24] <eruin> I just love the fast user switching applet! :D
[06:24] <mojo> azad: so the fonts still broken?
[06:24] <Fator_Dee> Echelon-H: give it permissions to execute
[06:24] <andrewski> eruin: what fast user switching?
[06:24] <azad> yep
[06:24] <azad> they are
[06:24] <Fator_Dee> Echelon-H: sudo chmod u+x filename
[06:25] <Kartagis> Fator_Dee: I specify a port
[06:25] <nolf> i have just installed ubuntu 5.04 and installed other multimedia apps using ubuntu unofficial add-on cd, but i dont hear any sound with say xine, amarok, mplayer
[06:25] <azad> well.. gotta have diner now, be back later :) *waves again*
[06:25] <nolf> only the picture's there and nothing more
[06:25] <mojo> azad: well anyway did you post your xorg.log to www.pastebin.com like Fator_Dee suggested?  still might hold some clues
[06:25] <nolf> amarok doesnt show any sound engine choice too
[06:25] <Echelon-H> Fator_Dee, k maybe now it's working
[06:25] <nolf> someone help plz
[06:25] <Fator_Dee> Echelon-H: it should
[06:26] <Daylighthater> Hello
[06:26] <Daylighthater> Can I ask a compatibility question here??
[06:26] <LinuxJones> Daylighthater, yeah
[06:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> i need some help with a usb flash drive i got.  i guess it doesn't come formatted..
[06:27] <Daylighthater> I Have a old laptop... a Toshiba S1730 (satelite)
[06:27] <andrewski> Daylighthater: just ask. :)
[06:27] <reka> question: what's the best way of debugging crashes?  my system seems to freeze randomly when i logout.  i've tried system log but nothing weird seems to be there.  i've tried looking at /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog but am not sure what i'm supposed to look for.
[06:27] <nolf> i am not getting any sound ... with amarok, xine, mplayer ...help plz
[06:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i identify it and f ormat it?
[06:27] <Daylighthater> I can't seem to install ubuntu graphical, nor sound on it
[06:27] <andrewski> nolf: are you getting errors?
[06:27] <ligows> does anybody here do phone/voice calls over the internet? which program do you use? skype?
[06:28] <Daylighthater> I'm pretty sure that I selected the right drivers :s Or the driver doesn't exist :s
[06:28] <ligows> got firestarteter running. will it slow down my internet?
[06:29] <Daylighthater> but I don't know wich version of ubuntu it was
[06:29] <mojo> QUESTION: Anyone know of a program that will pick me a random background at startup from the ones I have configured in Gnome?
[06:29] <Daylighthater> It was a friends instalation cd
[06:29] <andrewski> mojo: xfdesktop
[06:29] <LinuxJones> ligows, naw you shouldn't notice any difference, here's a skype hoto >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto
[06:29] <reka> nolf: you could try the instructions on ubuntuguide.org
[06:30] <Daylighthater> So is there a way to do a internet setup??
[06:30] <ligows> linuxjones, is skype the best for ubuntu/linux users?
[06:30] <mojo> andrewski: thx...  will it pick from the ones Gnome knows about or do i configure a directory for it?
[06:30] <andrewski> mojo: it's the desktop manager for Xfce; you can set its directory/image list.
[06:30] <mojo> andrewski: cool.  tanks
[06:30] <hybrid> hello all
[06:30] <ligows> is there a program that i can use that will type out what i say on my headset/mic?
[06:31] <Kartagis> Fator_Dee: I have a theory. can this be happening because my hostname is the same as my domain?
[06:31] <LinuxJones> ligows, alot of people are using it and it works on most platforms so it's probably a good choice. There is Gnome Meeting as well for voip.
[06:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> reka your name means "right".
[06:31] <ligows> LinuxJones, if i use gnome meeting, i can't talk with a skype user, yes?
[06:31] <LinuxJones> ligows, no :(
[06:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> why would you want to talk to a skype user?
[06:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> skype doesn't use sip.
[06:32] <ligows> what's sip?
[06:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> session initiation protocol.
[06:32] <Daylighthater> Can you do a install with internet resources??
[06:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's an "open" standard for internet telephony/im etc
[06:32] <reka> BROKEN_LADDER: really?! in what language?
[06:32] <ligows> well, i'd want to talk with people on windows. and it seems that many windows-running people use skype.
[06:32] <Daylighthater> Or how can I configure a gnome on a Satelite 1730 from toshiba
[06:33] <Daylighthater> it's an old laptop
[06:33] <Fator_Dee> Kartagis: don't know for sure
[06:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> reka uh..i'm sure you can get clients in many languages.
[06:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> reka linphone and minisip and kphone are some nice linux software phones for sip.  i own a hardware sip phone as well.  looks like a regular office phone but plugs into ethernet jack.
[06:33] <bzbb> when I try to run wine, I get /usr/lib/wine/wine.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libwine.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> ligows sure..but they can just as easily run Microsoft Messager, which has SIP.
[06:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> Skype is something that needs to be abandoned.  It is proprietary, and will just slow the inevitable adoption of SIP.
[06:34] <reka> reka: ?_?
[06:34] <ligows> BROKEN_LADDER, so if i run a SIP program like gnome meeting, that means i can talk with a windows-running person using Microsoft messenger? Is the quality as good as it is with Skype?
[06:34] <mjr_> indeed
[06:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> ligows i believe gnome meeting runs h323 or whatever..not sip.
[06:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> ligows the quality can be as good as or better, depending on which codec you use.  i would choose speex.
[06:35] <Daylighthater> Isn't there anyone who did a similar thing before??
[06:35] <reka> BROKEN_LADDER: ?? i meant in what language does my nick mean "right"?
[06:35] <Echelon-H> reka - background in hebrew
[06:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> reka it's slavic.  Anything slavic.  The root to it is the same root in the word RECTangle.
[06:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> ligows Microsoft Messenger is also good, although there are many other programs one could use for SIP in windows, because it acts like an instant message client, not like a phone.
[06:36] <reka> ah, cool. i didn;t know that :-)  i got it by chopping the start off of 'eureka'.
[06:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> It's really obnoxious how a lot of SIP phone clients are set up with a "phone-like" interface.
[06:37] <ligows> i have a friend running Win98. He has just paid more than a hundred dollars to get his windows PC fixed. So, naturally, he is so scared of getting any additional programs. What program can _I_ get that will allow him and me to talk without him getting any additional programs?
[06:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> reka as long as he is fine using Microsoft Messenger, which does SIP and should be "safe" to him...
[06:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> then you can use linphone.  it works great in linux.
[06:37] <nolf> thnx anyway guyz
[06:37] <Fator_Dee> ligows: if he's scared of installing programs, he shouldn't be running windows... that's my opinion though
[06:38] <ligows> BROKEN_LADDER, i'm not sure what SIP's all about, but what i'm loking for voice-talking ability, not (just) chat/typing .
[06:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> ligows bear in mind how an sip address works.  theoretically you could just dial the ip address of the destination, but you generally use an sip server that you log into, so you would call him at user@domain.org
[06:38] <reka> BROKEN_LADDER: ok. o_O  don't know why you keep directing the messages at me when i haven't joined the conversation :-)
[06:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> ligows it is for voice.
[06:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> ligows sipphone.com is the best service provider i can think of.  you can also pay them to get a connection to a real phone number.
[06:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> and its 70$ a year for that added service.
[06:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> but the sip address is free.
[06:39] <Daylighthater> K I could ask a question.. but nobody answers... So I conclude I shouldn't install linux on my laptop
[06:39] <tbasten> i am trying to figure out the user accounts side of samba when configuring samba so that it is a PDC
[06:39] <tbasten> How do i do it>
[06:39] <rg58sma> hi
[06:39] <ligows> Fator_Dee, i agree. he's not liking windows very much but he feels he has to stay for now, coz of time restraints (busyness). He's looking at Mac.
[06:39] <Fator_Dee> Daylighthater: maybe you could just try
[06:39] <rg58sma> someone have a idea of TV out in UBUNTU??
[06:39] <rg58sma> my card is MMX440
[06:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> reka i'm not paying attention, that's why.
[06:39] <Daylighthater> I have tried, but the install wasn't correctly made
[06:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> i need to master Ardour today...
[06:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> gotta get to reading.
[06:39] <Daylighthater> It always complained about fonts who weren't installed
[06:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> ligows just check out sipphone.com and it will tell you everything you need to know, including why Skype is something we should try to save people from.
[06:40] <Daylighthater> I've reinstalled ubuntu 5 times
[06:40] <Daylighthater> :s
[06:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> Daylighthater i've never had any similar problems.  that's odd.
[06:40] <ligows> BROKEN_LADDER, i'm currently looking at it. it, and what you just mentioned, looks/sounds interesting!
[06:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> does anyone know how to go about using a usb flash drive in linux?
[06:41] <dimeo> noob question:  how do I edit the applications menu and add new links
[06:41] <Daylighthater> I know... it's ofcourse an old laptop but the windows 2000 version worked fine on the laptop.. So I decided linux would be better :s
[06:41] <Hoxzer> hmm... how USB ADSL connection shoudl work with Linux?
[06:41] <Hoxzer> Ubuntu
[06:41] <kestas> rg58sma: isnt TV out supported in the video card alone? why would the OS ahve to support it?
[06:41] <Fator_Dee> Daylighthater: what exactly was the problem?
[06:41] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: plug it in.  enjoy!
[06:42] <reka> dimeo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo (assuming you're using gnome)
[06:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> ligows and look at all the sip phones you can buy at http://voipsupply.com/index.php?cPath=95
[06:42] <scythe> rg5sma the linux nvidia drivers support it
[06:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 how do i mount it?
[06:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 i don't even think it's formatted yet.
[06:42] <Daylighthater> I've just downloaded my own version of ubuntu
[06:42] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: you don't, it happens automatically
[06:42] <bob2> Daylighthater: your "own version"?
[06:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 then how do i mount it or find it?
[06:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 where the hell is it?
[06:42] <kestas> how long does the cd take to arrive usually?
[06:42] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: ...it gets mounted under /media automatically
[06:42] <scythe> broken_ladder where on that sipphone site does it say why you shouldnt use skype?
[06:42] <Daylighthater> I mean my own cd ...
[06:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 lemme check that
[06:43] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: if it's not formatted, you'll obviously have to do that yourself with "mksfs".
[06:43] <bob2> kestas: when did you order?
[06:43] <kestas> bob2: cant remember I think it may have been about a week or two ago
[06:43] <bob2> kestas: then wait a few more weeks
[06:43] <Daylighthater> It was a friends install cd, which I used in the first place... now I've dowloaded an install cd ... I'll try that one and give the exact error
[06:43] <Daylighthater> ok??
[06:43] <kestas> k
[06:43] <bob2> Daylighthater: check the cd burnt properly
[06:44] <kestas> Daylighthater: what error?
[06:44] <Daylighthater> kestas: It can take up to three months, a classmate of mine received his copy after three months
[06:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 how is that happening?  i see now fstab entries.
[06:45] <mojo> QUESTION: Anyone got advice on a cd burning program?  GnomeBaker works but is very slow, and the UI leaves much to be desired for me...
[06:45] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: er, that doesn't happen on ubuntu
[06:45] <Daylighthater> kestas: some font or fontserver error
[06:45] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: unless you mean "mount" entries.
[06:45] <rugolini> how can i make to apt install xmms ?
[06:45] <bob2> rugolini: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[06:45] <bob2> it's in the universe repository
[06:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 what file is specifying this ?
[06:45] <ligows> BROKEN_LADDER, i found "linphone" in repository. is that a good one?
[06:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> ligows it's excellent.
[06:45] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: ?
[06:46] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: what file is specifying *what*?
[06:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 how is this happening?
[06:46] <scythe> mojo k3b, and if burning is slow, you might want to check and see if dma is turned on for you drive
[06:46] <hybrid> Warning: eth0 couldnt be mapped reliable on line 2 <-- whaats that mean?
[06:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 if there's no entry in fstab, what is going on that's causing this to be mounted under /media?
[06:46] <rugolini> bob2, thanks
[06:46] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: kernel sees plug in event.  passes it to udevd.  which passes it to hal.  which passes it to gnome-volume-manager.  which mounts it.
[06:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> so there are some gnome-volume-manager settings for it?
[06:46] <ligows> if you have the link on sipphone.com as to "why skype is something we should try to save people from", kindly let me know, BROKEN_LADDER .
[06:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> ligows sure one sec.
[06:47] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: of course
[06:47] <mojo> scythe:  no, it just sits there FOREVER making WAVs from the files with mpeg123...  I was hoping for something that could burn right from the mp3s.  Also support for FLAC and SHN would be nice, since I have a lot of those (ima deadhead)
[06:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> http://www.sipphone.com/email/thecall10.html
[06:48] <bob2> shorten is badly supported on linux because it has a stupid license, unfortunately
[06:48] <azad> mojo: no, no copy paste without graphical surface, i sent the log via dcc
[06:48] <scythe> mojo k3b has support for flac
[06:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 right now i have something called /media/floppy2 that i can write and read from..but i have no flash media inserted.  what's going on?
[06:48] <bob2> I was just thinking tonight nautilus should get audio-cd-burning support
[06:48] <mojo> bob2: well i don't have many shortens anyway... i have no problem converting them to FLAC.  I am not a big shorten (license/nonfree) fan either
[06:49] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: you haven't been using linux or unix very long, I guess...mount points are just directories.
[06:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> everyone listen to Josh Rouse.
[06:49] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: if nothing is mounted, it's just a normal directory
[06:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> i've been using it for quite some time.
[06:49] <mojo> bob2: but there are lots of concert recordings still floating around in shn format
[06:49] <bob2> you can read/write to it as per-normal
[06:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 oh..duh.  i knew that.
[06:49] <bob2> g-v-m seems a bit lazy about removing dirs from /media
[06:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 udev has scrambled my brain.
[06:49] <rg58sma> my card is MMX440
[06:49] <bob2> mojo: yeah, I've noticed
[06:50] <bob2> pity dmb took down all their etree stuff
[06:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 isn't there a way to do something similar to how udev works, where when you disconnect the media, the directory is no longer there?
[06:50] <mojo> azad: oh yeah, DUH... you're in text mode.  via DCC to whom? me
[06:50] <mojo> >
[06:50] <mojo> ?
[06:50] <Fator_Dee> mojo: to me
[06:50] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: udev has nothing to do with it
[06:50] <hybrid> Warning: eth0 couldnt be mapped reliable on line 2 <-- anyone know how to fix this?
[06:50] <Lwolf> hi, i'm looking for php5 ubuntu repository (with libapache2-mod-php5 if possible), does anyone have such a link ? thanx
[06:50] <mojo> Fator_Dee: oh, cool
[06:50] <Davey|Ubuntu> I just installed the xorg-driver-fglrx and fglrx-control packages, how do I check if it worked and how do I configure it?
[06:50] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: it just gets told by the kernel that something has been added, and it knows to tell hal.
[06:50] <Blissex> Davey|Ubuntu: try #ATI
[06:50] <Fator_Dee> mojo: but it appeared that he was using breezy :-p
[06:50] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: g-v-m should tidy it up, I guess
[06:51] <bob2> hybrid: your question is too vague
[06:51] <Hoxzer> does synapic support JRE?
[06:51] <bob2> hybrid: you need to mention a) when you see that message b) if it's new and c) if it's causing problems
[06:51] <bob2> Hoxzer: no, the JRE is not in ubuntu
[06:51] <bob2> Hoxzer: wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[06:51] <azad> mojo, no
[06:51] <mojo> Davey|Ubuntu: fist off, DONT use the fglrxconfig from what I have heard.  Second, use fglrxinfo and glxinfo from command line.  make sure they do NOT say MESA for the OpenGL and you're good
[06:51] <azad> to Fator_Dee
[06:51] <mojo> (they should say ati fglrx..)
[06:52] <reka> bob2: someone recommended this link: http://serios.net/content/debian/java/with-java-package.php
[06:52] <dimeo> anyone else have problems accessing their '
[06:52] <dimeo> usb memory stick?
[06:52] <hybrid> bob2: ok i get it at start up. i have had it for a while and i think it is stopping me from havin hotplug lan
[06:53] <mojo> Fator_Dee: yeah, i know he's on breezy.  Just wondering anyway if the log was insightful
[06:53] <Lwolf> Hoxzer, as far as i know, a java package is available at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ repositorys (only install java package from this.. the other packages can be unstable)
[06:53] <dimeo> it detects it, but then when I try to open it, it says ""usbdisk" couldn't be found. Perhaps it has recently been deleted."
[06:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 nothing is appearing in /media
[06:53] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: ok!
[06:53] <Hoxzer> ok
[06:53] <hybrid> bob2: i get it right before config network interfaces
[06:53] <Fator_Dee> mojo: the log seemed ok, so I'd guess the breezy was the problem
[06:53] <reka> Davey|Ubuntu: yeah, using fglrxconfig may stuff up your xorg.conf file.  basically, you need to load the fglrx module and then edit xorg.conf.  see: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:53] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: I can't even guess at what your question is without more informatiuon
[06:53] <mojo> Fator_Dee / azad : okey dokey.
[06:54] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: I assume you formatted it correctly?
[06:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 0
[06:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> cdrom: sr0: mrw address space DMA selected
[06:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 0
[06:54] <dimeo> bob2 he's trying to access his unformatted USB keychain
[06:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 uh..that's in dmesg.
[06:54] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: so, have you formatted it or not?
[06:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> dimeo there ya go.  bob2 said it formats it automatically.
[06:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 you said it did that automatically
[06:54] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: no
[06:54] <bob2> I never said
[06:54] <bob2> that
[06:55] <bob2> please don't deliberately misquote me
[06:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> well, the way you answered that's what you said.  probably because you didn't read my whole question.
[06:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> you said that.
[06:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'll paste it.
[06:55] <tsume> well byes
[06:55] <dimeo> I hope not, cause mine has stuff on it!  and I'm also having trouble accessing it
[06:55] <bob2> what I actually said: 02:43:04           bob2 | BROKEN_LADDER: if it's not formatted, you'll obviously have to do that yourself with "mksfs".
[06:55] <tsume> I must go see cameras
[06:55] <Fator_Dee> BROKEN_LADDER: you just ask bob2 in the wrong time, he answered your other question
[06:55] <Fator_Dee> *asked
[06:55] <benplaut> hello ubunuts!
[06:55] <Fator_Dee> just a misinterpretation
[06:55] <ligows> BROKEN_LADDER, i love the idea of the 5 free minutes to a conventional phone with sipphone!
[06:56] <hybrid> Warning: eth0 couldnt be mapped reliable on line 2 occurs during start up it has happened for a while and i think it is keeping me from use hotplug lan
[06:56] <robotic_plankton> Hello!
[06:56] <ligows> BROKEN_LADDER, 5 free minutes everyday! enough to maybe say, "Hey buddy, check your email! I wrote you something!"
[06:56] <bob2> hybrid: try asking on the user list
[06:56] <wellparp> Hi. I need some help with X. I have just installed hoary on a Dell Inspiron 2200 laptop but X wont start. What should I do?
[06:56] <hybrid> ok
[06:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> [09:42]  <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 i don't even think it's formatted yet.
[06:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> [09:42]  <Daylighthater> I've just downloaded my own version of ubuntu
[06:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> [09:42]  <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: you don't, it happens automatically
[06:57] <ligows> i've told some people to move to skype already, oh no!
[06:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> ligows you're not reading it.
[06:57] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: yes, I was answering the earlier part of your questoin
[06:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> ligows that's five free minutes to a PSTN phone.
[06:57] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: as I pasted above, I explicitly said it does not format it automatically
[06:57] <Davey|Ubuntu> uhm, I have Xorg not XFree86, I think, which file do I need to edit instead of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 which doesn't exist for me?
[06:57] <penguinparty> any alsa experts in the room?
[06:58] <Fator_Dee> Davey|Ubuntu: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:58] <ligows> BROKEN_LADDER, from that last link you gave me: "PhoneGaim customers can call anyone in 30 countries on the PSTN (old phone system) for five minutes every day for free"
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> ligows with an sip device, the only thing their server does is tell a caller what the current ip address is of user@domain.com.  Once he knows that, he can call you all day if he likes..the server has nothing to do with it.
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> ligows it's free to call people using SIP phones all day as much as you want!
[06:58] <hybrid> ha tgfg [thank god for google] 
[06:58] <ivoks> hi all
[06:58] <dimeo> trying to install smeg:  I type sudo dpkg -i smeg_0.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb and it says dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[06:58] <bob2> penguinparty: best to just ask your question
[06:58] <bob2> dimeo: close apt/aptitude/synaptic
[06:58] <dimeo> k thanx bob2
[06:59] <eyequeue> dimeo:  synaptic aptitude or apt-get are open
[06:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> ligows also, you can buy, for 70$/year, a real PSTN number and call regular phones.  That's like 6$ a month for phone service.
[06:59] <lightboy> n e one know what the latest amd64-k8 kernel is?
[06:59] <penguinparty> using 2.6.11.8 kernel with a au8820 card . . . no/dev/dsp at boot, and dmesg show the kernel module crap out
[06:59] <eyequeue> dimeo:  also, you may prefer smeg 0.6 instead
[06:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> linukso lol..u anka ci parolas la bonan lingvon?
[06:59] <ligows> BROKEN_LADDER, i understand that it's free as much as you want to call another wired person, but correct me if i misunderstood what i read on the sipphone webpage, but phonegaim users can phone anybody at all, even that grandmother of ours without a computer, for 5 free minutes everyday.
[06:59] <bob2> penguinparty: alsa doesn't provide /dev/dsp
[06:59] <ivoks> penguinparty: 2.6.11 is very bad kernel, skip it
[07:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> ligows i've never tried..i dunno.
[07:00] <bob2> penguinparty: also, 2.6.10 is the supported ubuntu kernel, try that
[07:00] <bob2> ligows: the one on security.ubuntu.com, presumably
[07:00] <bob2> ligows: what is your real question?
[07:00] <penguinparty> ok
[07:00] <benplaut> so... if i run XFCE with nautilus as file manager and desktop, GNOME-panel as panel, and the gnome GUI config tools, am i running gnome or xfce?
[07:00] <rg58sma> what is Array 7 CD and where i download??
[07:00] <ivoks> benplaut: both
[07:01] <ivoks> benplaut: gnome isn't window manager
[07:01] <ligows> bob2, what is it  about that security.ubuntu website? i'm not sure i understand your message.
[07:01] <benplaut> true...
[07:01] <ivoks> benplaut: for plain gnome, that metacity
[07:01] <firepol> HappyFool: im done, if u want i share with u my results
[07:01] <nalioth> benplaut: you are running linux
[07:01] <Ashen> Yoh
[07:01] <HappyFool> firepol: please do
[07:01] <benplaut> ivoks: i was running openbox, so no points there :)
[07:01] <Rev_Fry> Well, after my issues with hangs in ubuntu I tried booting me windows partition to see if it was consistent across OSs.  Windows has been chugging along for a day or so while ubuntu will freeze up anywhere from 10min - 1hr
[07:01] <bob2> ligows: sorry, not meant for you
[07:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i format my fucking usb drive?
[07:01] <HappyFool> firepol: you got it workgin ?
[07:01] <Rev_Fry> *sobs*
[07:01] <bob2> lightboy: what are you actually trying to find out?
[07:01] <wellparp> My X does not start. Can anyone please help?
[07:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> er...my usb drive.
[07:01] <Davey|Ubuntu> OK, I think I have it. Time to reboot
[07:01] <ivoks> BROKEN_LADDER: easily
[07:01] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: dude, stop it, and READ.  I told you how 15 minutes ago.
[07:01] <nalioth> benplaut: nobody tells you how to run your box
[07:01] <Daylighthater> Question: My screen (console also) is one row down from the top... how to set this right??
[07:01] <bob2> 02:55:20           bob2 | what I actually said: 02:43:04           bob2 | BROKEN_LADDER: if it's not formatted, you'll obviously have to do that yourself with "mksfs".
[07:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 i didn't see anything about it.
[07:02] <lightboy> its ok i just wanted to get a non generic amd kernel
[07:02] <lightboy> i found it
[07:02] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: then read.
[07:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 ahh..
[07:02] <firepol> happyfool: my problem number 1 was coz of grub-install. an alternative of grub-install is grub itself
[07:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 i missed that.
[07:02] <ivoks> but :)
[07:02] <ivoks> don't do mkfs.ext3
[07:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 for compatibility with windows machines, what would you say is the best fs i could put on it?
[07:02] <ivoks> then your USB will be usless on windows :)
[07:02] <Ashen> All: Hello-- I'm installing Hoary on an AMD64 system, which is dual booting windows... it did something fun. Just before it installs the stuff that its copied to the hdd (like, the reset in the middle of the install) it asks about grub right... then it does that reset... then--- "Error loading operating system"
[07:02] <bob2> Daylighthater: easiest way is vhold on your monitor
[07:02] <ivoks> BROKEN_LADDER: mkfs.vfat
[07:02] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: fat32 is your only option
[07:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> ivoks i wouldn't use ext3 anyway..just reiser.
[07:03] <firepol> happyfool: now it work,s i successfully installed grub on my primary master HD. i had to do the following: 1) grub 2) root (hd0,0) 3) setup (hd0) 4) quit
[07:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 iso9660 isn't an option?
[07:03] <Rev_Fry> When is Breezey set to come out and how can I roll back to 2.6.9?  Someone said that helped them with their hangs
[07:03] <ivoks> BROKEN_LADDER: on USB? :))))
[07:03] <benplaut> nalioth: yeah... just trying to figure out what it is for people asking me what DE i use, online
[07:03] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: er? it's not writable.
[07:03] <Daylighthater> bob2 ok thanks will try as soon as install is finished
[07:03] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: and it's a crap filesystem
[07:03] <HappyFool> firepol: that's it ?
[07:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 lol
[07:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay thanks
[07:03] <nalioth> benplaut: keep them off balance.... make something up
[07:03] <firepol> happyfool: maybe i had to change hd1,0 ...i dont remember. anyway if i did with grub-install it didnt work, i had to use the grub command line
[07:03] <bob2> Rev_Fry: october, ubuntu releases every 6 months
[07:03] <Ashen> All: Any ideas?
[07:03] <bob2> Rev_Fry: 2.6.9 isn't supported in ubuntu
[07:03] <Rev_Fry> october?  By then windows will have rotted major portions of my brain!!!
[07:04] <DarKnesS_WolF> how to add arabic into my keybord ? or any another lang. ?
[07:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> why do you have to pick a partition type in cfdisk if you are going to use mkfs later anyway?
[07:04] <firepol> happyfool: another problem was a file called /boot/grub/device.map : i had to delete it (it will be generated again, anyway)
[07:04] <HappyFool> firepol: ok. so your root was (hd0,0), not (hd1,0) ?
[07:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> DarKnesS_WolF just check out keyboard settings.
[07:04] <ivoks> BROKEN_LADDER: whatever...
[07:04] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: because DOS partition tables are from 1981
[07:04] <ivoks> BROKEN_LADDER: it isn't important, just do partition
[07:04] <Echelon-H> anyone here ever used gmailfs and can help me?
[07:04] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: it doesn't matter to linux what you put there
[07:04] <firepol> happyfool: my root was specified inside device.map . and it was not correct
[07:04] <bob2> Echelon-H: why is everyone so interested in that all of a sudden?
[07:04] <HappyFool> firepol: hm
[07:05] <Echelon-H> bob2, can you help me?
[07:05] <ivoks> bob2: you sound like wikipedia :)
[07:05] <mojo> what is gmailfs anyway? a file system that access gmail LOL?
[07:05] <Ashen> So... I take it there are no ideas ^_^'
[07:05] <bob2> mojo: yes
[07:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 oh..interesting.  is there anyway to put _nothing_ so that you do away with that awful legacy crap?
[07:05] <nalioth> bob2, they want to sign up for hundreds of gmail accounts and get free space
[07:05] <scorpix_> DarKnesS_WolF: right click on the top panel in gnome
[07:05] <ivoks> mojo: yes
[07:05] <bob2> mojo: it's a terrible silly hack someone wrote
[07:05] <bob2> nalioth: yes, but why?
[07:05] <scythe> Broken_ladder there is experimental support in linux for ntfs read and write
[07:05] <bob2> nalioth: what are they actually storing there?
[07:05] <mojo> bob2: no way.  why the bleep would you?
[07:05] <ivoks> mojo: it enables you to mount 1GB extra space :)
[07:05] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: not if you care about windows compatibility
[07:06] <scorpix_> DarKnesS_WolF: and choose Keyboard indicator
[07:06] <mojo> ivoks: so you can use your gmail account as a filesystem and store stuff there?
[07:06] <nalioth> bob2: its like the webdav online storage thing, i guess they're keepin pR0n or whatever
[07:06] <ivoks> mojo: yes
[07:06] <nalioth> mojo yes
[07:06] <HappyFool> firepol: hmm. ok, so you used grub, and not grub-install. And you had to erase device.map
[07:06] <Rev_Fry> AMD64 2800+ MSI K8N Neo Plat 768RAM Asus ATI 9600XT SB Audigy  Running the i386 not the 64bit install.  Anything there seem obvious?
[07:06] <dimeo> ok so I've installed smeg and added a menu entry but it doesn't show up yet. what do I do now?
[07:06] <mojo> aren't harddisks well below a dollar a gig now?
[07:06] <firepol> happyfool: well, im a little confused ;) anyway, my methodology to find what was wrong was the grub-install. instead of it, i read in a forum/newsletter post that it was better to run "grub" and then to use the commands inside grub
[07:06] <Ashen> Broken_ladder: There is pretty decent NTFS support these days thru Captive NTFS
[07:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 i don't care about windows compatibility.
[07:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 windows will never touch my computer.
[07:06] <firepol> happyfool: yep, without device.map it works
[07:06] <nalioth> mojo: yes, but being able to say "i'm abusing google" is priceless
[07:06] <ivoks> mojo: for somone that's on giga link for free, it's cheeper to mount that 1GB then buy new disk
[07:07] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: then use bsd disk slices or something.  it's like the least biggest deal in the universe, though.
[07:07] <mojo> nalioth: LOL!!!
[07:07] <HappyFool> firepol: i guess it's not exercised all that much
[07:07] <ivoks> mojo: there are some with laptops, so new disk also isn't an option
[07:07] <firepol> happyfool: but now i have to configure menu.lst so that windows 2003 will boot, thats my next challenge ;)
[07:07] <HappyFool> firepol: grub-install, i mean.
[07:07] <bob2> way more annoying are silly things like having to boot your PC into real mode
[07:07] <bob2> or switching back to real mode to change video modes
[07:07] <mojo> bbiaf..
[07:07] <HappyFool> firepol: well, if you're getting the menu from menu.lst, that shouldn't be too hard
[07:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 how can i find the dev name of my flash memory?
[07:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 i tried /dev/sr0 but it says it can't write to it.
[07:07] <firepol> happyfool: yep, if its wrong i can edit from grub at the boot time... grub rles hehehe
[07:07] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: look in dmesg
[07:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> hmm..i did.
[07:08] <ivoks> sr0?
[07:08] <firepol> grub is really powerful. im happy that i learnt a bit to use it
[07:08] <ivoks> sda should be
[07:08] <ivoks> or sdb
[07:08] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: unplug. replug. run dmesg.
[07:08] <ivoks> not sr0
[07:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 done that.
[07:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's sr0
[07:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sr0
[07:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> mkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005)
[07:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> mkfs.vfat: unable to open /dev/sr0
[07:08] <ivoks> that's a generic devise
[07:08] <ivoks> device
[07:08] <ivoks> BROKEN_LADDER: sudo modprobe usb-storage
[07:08] <hybrid> who let nalioth in again?
[07:09] <hybrid> what is this #debian?
[07:09] <scythe> mount it , then do the mkfs command
[07:09] <ivoks> scythe: no :))
[07:09] <nalioth> hybrid: basement window, this time
[07:09] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: sr0 is not the right node to be using
[07:09] <HappyFool> firepol: ok, sorry i didn't have the correct information earlier
[07:09] <bob2> ivoks: that's already loaded or he/she wouldn't have anything in dmesg
[07:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> still not working.
[07:09] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: read dmesg more carefully
[07:09] <ivoks> bob2: he would, if he has generic in there
[07:09] <hybrid> nalioth: ah i used that last week thats why the lock is gone
[07:09] <bob2> it should be /dev/sdb or /dev/sda or so
[07:09] <bob2> assuming you partitioned it already
[07:09] <HappyFool> firepol: i really hope no-one is going to be asking that sort of question again ;)
[07:09] <ivoks> bob2: usb-storage is for mapping usb to scsi
[07:09] <firepol> happyfool: no problem dude, u tried to help me, and u made me willing to fight in order to fix my problem ;) so i fixed it
[07:10] <DarKnesS_WolF> thx guys
[07:10] <bob2> ivoks: yes, I know
[07:10] <bob2> I have been using ubuntu for a little while now ;p
[07:10] <ivoks> and srX are generic SCSI devices
[07:10] <ivoks> bob2: :)
[07:10] <bob2> yeah, but he/she wants the disk device node
[07:10] <bob2> like you said to begi nwith
[07:10] <ivoks> he needs usb-storage then :)
[07:10] <ivoks> hm..
[07:11] <bob2> it'll be loaded by default
[07:11] <ivoks> BROKEN_LADDER: sudo modprobe sd_mod
[07:11] <ivoks> or.. what's the name..
[07:11] <bob2> unless something else is broken
[07:11] <firepol> happyfool: even if they ask, you can suggest them not to use grub-install but to run grub and run the commands from there ;)
[07:11] <bob2> anyway, sleep time, good luck
[07:11] <HappyFool> firepol: yeah, i'll remember that
[07:11] <ivoks> bob2: whell, "should" is common ... :)
[07:11] <ivoks> bob2: night
[07:11] <mojo> okay ppl gl to all and have a good one. it's beautiful outside and i'm off to the rennesainse festival (whee!)  Peace!
[07:11] <firepol> happyfool: ok, gotta go now, thx again and cheers
[07:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> http://pastebin.com/291325
[07:11] <HappyFool> firepol: keep well
[07:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 http://pastebin.com/291325
[07:12] <firepol> thanks bye
[07:12] <Davey|Ubuntu> hmm, well it didn't kill my graphics, so is it safe to assume I'm not using the fglrx drivers?
[07:12] <ivoks> BROKEN_LADDER: cdrom is sr0 :)
[07:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> ivoks yeah..oops.
[07:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> but there's nothing else in dmesg.
[07:12] <ivoks> BROKEN_LADDER: this isn't ubuntu's kernel
[07:12] <ivoks> BROKEN_LADDER: this is self compiled kernel
[07:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> ivoks huh?
[07:12] <ivoks> BROKEN_LADDER: uname -r
[07:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> Linux BROKENLADDER 2.6.10-5-686 #1 Fri May 20 14:31:01 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:13] <ivoks> BROKEN_LADDER: do you have SCSI cdrom?
[07:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's an ubuntu kernel.  it's through apt-get.
[07:13] <schasi> What whas the web packages search for ubuntu again?
[07:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> ivoks sata
[07:13] <ivoks> sata cdrom!?
[07:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> sata dvdrw
[07:13] <ivoks> what idiot created that device?
[07:13] <imaek> What is a good CD burning program for gnome (not k3b)?
[07:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> idiot?
[07:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> sata is way better than ata.
[07:13] <ivoks> for cdrom?!
[07:13] <scythe> that must have cost a pretty penny
[07:13] <ivoks> :))
[07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> nice thin cables.  extremely high throughput when reading from cache.
[07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> scythe no..like 80$
[07:14] <Davey|Ubuntu> what can I do about this? (using 3ddesk to test my 3D stuff) glXIsDirect failed, no Direct Rendering possible!
[07:14] <Davey|Ubuntu> 3ddeskd: Please configure hardware acceleration.  Exiting.
[07:14] <ivoks> BROKEN_LADDER: for CDROM?!
[07:14] <scythe> why not just buy a scsi drive
[07:14] <xoz> BROKEN_LADDER: are you sure it's sata?
[07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> xoz absolutely positively.
[07:14] <bob2> er, your computer has 1000 times as much cache as the cd rom
[07:14] <ivoks> BROKEN_LADDER: cdrom can't read as fast as SATA can transfer data
[07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> i put this box togethr myself.
[07:14] <bob2> and it's 1000 times faster
[07:14] <xoz> BROKEN_LADDER: maybe, there is no driver yet for that. try google.
[07:14] <scythe> really?? all the sata drives ive seen were comparable to scsi
[07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> ivoks but sata cables are better, and when reading from cache, you better believe it can.
[07:14] <nalioth> imaek: gnomebaker?
[07:14] <ivoks> :)
[07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> scythe but scsi is expensive.
[07:15] <scythe> so are all the sata drives ive seen
[07:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> xoz my sata dvd drive works great.
[07:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> xoz the problem is my flash memory.
[07:15] <ivoks> BROKEN_LADDER: maybe, but sr0 is your cdrom, not usb stick :)
[07:15] <ivoks> so you are trying to format a cdrom
[07:15] <ivoks> :>
[07:15] <scythe> plug it in and do a cdrecord --scanbus
[07:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> ivoks i saw that, now let's move on.
[07:16] <Ashen> are there problems installing grub on a sata drive?
[07:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> flash drive
[07:16] <ivoks> BROKEN_LADDER: unplug it and plug it back in
[07:16] <scythe> that should tell you where your thumbdrive is
[07:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> flash drive
[07:16] <ivoks> BROKEN_LADDER: then do dmesg
[07:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> ivoks i have done that many times.
[07:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> ivoks i have done that many times.
[07:16] <xoz> BROKEN_LADDER: can you try hwinfo?
[07:16] <ivoks> BROKEN_LADDER: dmesg
[07:16] <rg58sma> http://www.ubuntu-es.org/node/4441
[07:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> every time i do that it gives me another line like this: cdrom: sr0: mrw address space DMA selected
[07:17] <Ashen> that is-- has anyone installed grub on a sata drive using the installer, and had it work
[07:17] <scythe> broken.. have you tried to do a cdrecord --scanbus to determine what the drive is?
[07:17] <xoz> BROKEN_LADDER: it seems it recognizes your flash to be cdrom?
[07:17] <ivoks> BROKEN_LADDER: check lsmod | grep usb-storage
[07:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> usb_storage            71936  0
[07:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> usbcore               119000  4 usb_storage,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd
[07:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> scsi_mod              127552  6 sd_mod,sg,sr_mod,libata,usb_storage,sbp2
[07:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> ide_core              129356  5 usb_storage,ide_cd,ide_generic,ide_disk,piix
[07:18] <ivoks> who said paste it?
[07:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> doh.
[07:18] <imaek> Is there any CD burning program that supports .bin/.cue format?
[07:18] <Daylighthater> Question: is there a good system monitoring tool? One that shows temperatures of the processor etc
[07:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> Daylighthater tons of them, especially in linux.
[07:19] <iceman> OK, can you get superkaramba as a package ?
[07:19] <xoz> BROKEN_LADDER: what about ehci-hcd?
[07:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> Daylighthater are you in gnome?  there are some simple panel applets that will do it.
[07:19] <Ashen> imaek: k3b
[07:19] <Daylighthater> BROKEN_LADDER I now, but I'm looking for a good one
[07:19] <imaek> Ashen: is there a way of installing k3b without KDE?
[07:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> what about it xoz?
[07:19] <Daylighthater> I'm currently still installing
[07:19] <ivoks> BROKEN_LADDER: ceck out lsusb
[07:19] <Ashen> imaek: yup
[07:19] <Daylighthater> dunno...
[07:19] <ivoks> it should show you your device
[07:19] <Ashen> imaek: it installs some libs to run it
[07:19] <JStrike> imaek : Does GnomeBaker not support it?
[07:20] <Ashen> imaek: but it works fine
[07:20] <imaek> It doesn't, JStrike.
[07:20] <hybrid> bob2: i fixed it
[07:20] <scythe> imaek yeah, it works
[07:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> Bus 005 Device 002: ID 0424:20fc Standard Microsystems Corp.
[07:20] <xoz> BROKEN_LADDER: it is for usb 2.0
[07:20] <Ashen> imaek: use synaptic
[07:20] <chillywilly> um, I use cdrdao to burn vcd .bin and .cue files
[07:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> xoz what is?
[07:20] <imaek> I'm apt-getting it right now Ashen.
[07:20] <Ashen> imaek: k3b is also nice to work with-- it an amarok, the only two decent looking kde apps.
[07:20] <Ashen> imaek: ...and only coz I'm running them in gnome :)
[07:21] <imaek> :)
[07:21] <ivoks> BROKEN_LADDER: did u mess with udev?
[07:21] <rg58sma> http://www.ubuntu-es.org/node/4441
[07:21] <scythe> ivoks what does lsusb do?
[07:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> hell no
[07:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> scythe list usb devices
[07:21] <scythe> and how do i get more information on what a device is that i get from lsusb
[07:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> list usb
[07:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> lsusb
[07:21] <Daylighthater> Another Question, what's best to use Gnome or KDE
[07:21] <Daylighthater> ??
[07:21] <chillywilly> vonage needs to do something about their website being so slow ;)
[07:22] <Daylighthater> chillywilly U from overmeire??
[07:22] <scythe> daylighthater.... thats asking for a holy war
[07:22] <Davey|Ubuntu> how to get Firefox 1.0.4 in Ubuntu? or at least, get the security fix?
[07:22] <chillywilly> Daylighthater: no, I have no idea what you are talking about
[07:22] <darkaudit> Daylighthater: XFCE ;)
[07:23] <Daylighthater> chillywilly don't matter, got a friend with same nick:d
[07:23] <scythe> davey i just dl'd the binary installer for firefox 1.0.4   that works
[07:23] <chillywilly> there is only one penGNUin and it's me ;)
[07:23] <Davey|Ubuntu> scythe: OK
[07:23] <xoz> BROKEN_LADDER: can you load it? since usb-storage may need it if your sata is emulated as usb storage device?
[07:23] <ivoks> scythe: prints connected usb devices
[07:24] <ivoks> as lspci does for PCI devices
[07:24] <Daylighthater> scythe, darkaudit: I'll rephrase :D, what's better for an old slow laptop
[07:24] <HappyFool> Davey|Ubuntu: use synaptic to update firefox. the security fixes are back-ported
[07:24] <gbic> Anyone know of an implicit ssl/tls ftp client for ubuntu?
[07:24] <gbic> other than lftp, I want a UI
[07:24] <ivoks> BROKEN_LADDER: do you have any other usb device arround?
[07:24] <xoz> Daylighthater: openbox, fluxbox
[07:25] <ivoks> scythe: usbview
[07:25] <scythe> Davey.. ubuntu supposedly also released an update into the apt-get repository with out updateing the version number... after you update... there is a workaround on the firefox website so you can update your plugins there
[07:25] <scythe> k
[07:25] <Davey|Ubuntu> HappyFool: but the FIrefox update website doesn't know that ;)
[07:25] <ivoks> or via udevinfo
[07:25] <scythe> usbview... is that a cli or a gui?
[07:26] <HappyFool> Davey|Ubuntu: you can edit the 'vendorSub' field in about:config
[07:26] <Daylighthater> xoz: thanks wil try
[07:26] <Lwolf> hi, i'm looking for php5 ubuntu repository (with libapache2-mod-php5 if possible), does anyone have such a link ? thanx
[07:26] <ivoks> Lwolf: there is no PHP5 for ubuntu or debian
[07:26] <HappyFool> Davey|Ubuntu: notice that the extensions site gives a link to a workaround
[07:26] <ivoks> Lwolf: that's too fresh project...
[07:26] <Lwolf> iwoks : people.debian.org/~dexter : php5 for sid and sarge     www.dotdeb.org : php5 for woody
[07:27] <Davey|Ubuntu> Lwolf: I have it compiled from scratch on Debian Sarge FYI
[07:27] <Lwolf> s/w/v
[07:27] <ivoks> Lwolf: these aren't official
[07:27] <ivoks> Lwolf: but you can take sarge packages and install them
[07:27] <Lwolf> ivoks, i don't look for official ones
[07:27] <Lwolf> ivoks, no, there is dependancy problems
[07:27] <johannes> I have installed the wine package but it seems that I don't have the "regedit" executable tha I need to import a regfile.. why is that?
[07:27] <ivoks> Lwolf: what dep problem?
[07:28] <Zodiac> Guys...
[07:28] <Lwolf> well, i thinks i'm gonna do some dependency  works..
[07:28] <Zodiac> Wireless on Linux is terrible
[07:28] <flodine> what the hell is wrong with mplayer
[07:28] <Zodiac> I have to say it
[07:28] <ivoks> Zodiac: ?
[07:28] <scythe> really zodiac... whys that?
[07:28] <Zodiac> I cannot for the life of me get mine to work on Hoary...
[07:28] <Zodiac> and!
[07:28] <ivoks> my wifi worked on ubuntu out of the box
[07:28] <Zodiac> I have this great guide ...
[07:28] <ivoks> still doesn't work on windows :)
[07:28] <Zodiac> What card do you have?
[07:28] <Lwolf> ivoks, arg, some packages needed by php5 installation of people.debian.org/~dexter need recent packages
[07:28] <ivoks> ipw2200
[07:29] <GNAM> Wireless on Linux? audsudsaudsauads
[07:29] <scythe> my works great
[07:29] <Lwolf> ivoks, well, nevermind, i'm gona do some compilation work... ;(
[07:29] <Zodiac> My card is linksys, that is prolly why
[07:29] <Choubaka> Zodiac: You just need to buy a non-crappy card.
[07:29] <ivoks> Lwolf: download source, change deps and build packages :)
[07:29] <Choubaka> ie. a properly supported one
[07:29] <Zodiac> I need it to be wireless G though
[07:29] <ivoks> linksys?!
[07:29] <ivoks> wtf is that? :)
[07:30] <ivoks> ipw2200 is b/g
[07:30] <scythe> ivoks, its called cicso, and crap
[07:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't even get my usb flash drive to work on a windows machine
[07:30] <ivoks> hahaha
[07:30] <scythe> ivoks, i cant get my ipw2200 to do g, how did you get that working?
[07:30] <ivoks> broken flash
[07:30] <Zodiac> Everything else worked
[07:30] <Choubaka> BROKEN_LADDER: since when has any usb dongle worked one windows? :p
[07:30] <Zodiac> but not wireless internet
[07:30] <ivoks> scythe: you need G network :)
[07:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> Choubaka uh..almost always.
[07:30] <scythe> i have  a g network
[07:31] <ivoks> scythe: eth2      IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:"novacka49"  Nickname:"novacka49
[07:31] <Zodiac> Okay, so what card should I get?
[07:31] <Davey|Ubuntu> I have my wireless on Ubuntu working flawlessly
[07:31] <Choubaka> BROKEN_LADDER: if you think always is synonymous to "whenever the moons are aligned"
[07:31] <Davey|Ubuntu> all I had to do was put in the ESSID and tell it to use DHCPD
[07:31] <Davey|Ubuntu> -D
[07:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> Choubaka i've never seen anyone have a problem with usb flash drives in windows.
[07:31] <scythe> ahhh... im going off of kwifimanager... its only showing a .b connection
[07:31] <Zodiac> Well, it detected the chipset on the card correctly
[07:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> you just stick it in, and it pops up.
[07:31] <ivoks> Davey|Ubuntu: i have a great program for you :)
[07:31] <iceman> whats best media player for ubuntu ?
[07:31] <Davey|Ubuntu> ivoks: ?
[07:32] <ivoks> Davey|Ubuntu: http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/
[07:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> iceman best?  that depends on your needs.
[07:32] <ivoks> Davey|Ubuntu: check out wifi-radar package..
[07:32] <Daylighthater> bob2 it's a laptopscreen :s which isn't positioned right :s
[07:32] <Davey|Ubuntu> ivoks: whats it do?
[07:32] <ivoks> scythe: http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/
[07:32] <Choubaka> My brother has a usb peripheral which breaks if you plug it in the wrong socket.
[07:32] <Daylighthater> bob2 it's a laptopscreen :s which isn't positioned right :s
[07:32] <ivoks> Davey|Ubuntu: scans for networks around you and calls dhclient on chosen network
[07:32] <iceman> overall media player for mpg's ect ...
[07:32] <ivoks> Davey|Ubuntu: or, you can set up IP manually
[07:32] <gbic> Anyone know of an implicit ssl/tls ftp client for ubuntu?
[07:32] <Choubaka> ie. windows needs to install drivers anew.
[07:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> iceman rhythmbox is a pretty good music library app, but it's got very limited functionality.  it won't give you a folder view, and it won't write tags.
[07:33] <ivoks> Davey|Ubuntu: works much better and easier than network-admin
[07:33] <_gdarel> What file('s) do I need to encode MP3's?
[07:33] <Davey|Ubuntu> ivoks: now, I can just download the .deb and apt-get install /path/to/the.deb ?
[07:33] <ivoks> BROKEN_LADDER: get yout self quod libet
[07:33] <Daylighthater> bob2: any other way, to position my screen verticaly
[07:33] <yonil> I've installed camserv, and now whenever i restart my computer camserv starts automaticaly with the apache server. how can i distable this ? (and also disable the apache server) ?
[07:33] <ivoks> Davey|Ubuntu: no, download it and do dpkg -i wifi-radar*.deb
[07:33] <raz> For some myserious reason, 'Application installer' now takes forever and never loads the list of apps.. Has anyone ever had that? (checked forums..)
[07:33] <iceman> na, need for video .. playback ... not just music
[07:33] <rg58sma> http://www.ubuntu-es.org/node/4441
[07:34] <Davey|Ubuntu> ivoks: and how to run it? :)
[07:34] <errr> where would I need to report bugs on the fluxbox package?
[07:34] <Davey|Ubuntu> oh, there it is ;)
[07:34] <ivoks> Davey|Ubuntu: it's in gnome menu
[07:34] <Choubaka> Quodlibet doesn't work for me :(
[07:34] <HappyFool> yonil: you can 'sudo chmod a-x /etc/init.d/apache' or something similar
[07:34] <Choubaka> Or didn't when I last tried
[07:34] <HappyFool> yonil: i just installed sysv-rc-conf, which is a neat utility for controlling what services startup when
[07:34] <rg58sma> how to install fluxbox in Ubuntu
[07:35] <rg58sma> how to install fluxbox in Ubuntu?????????'
[07:35] <ivoks> apt-get install fluxbox
[07:35] <scythe> ivocks thanks for the link
[07:35] <ivoks> scythe: np
[07:35] <Zodiac> ha ha
[07:35] <Zodiac> I hate when people say that
[07:35] <errr> rg58sma: its broken.
[07:35] <_gdarel> What file('s) do I need to encode MP3's?
[07:35] <Davey|Ubuntu> hmm
[07:35] <Zodiac> apt-get whatever
[07:35] <Blissex> errr: almost surely there is a mailing list for that mentioned on the Fluxbox site
[07:35] <Zodiac> it is NOT that easy
[07:35] <rg58sma> what is broken
[07:35] <ivoks> Zodiac: it's VERY easy
[07:35] <errr> Blissex: yeah but they dont care about fixing debian bugs.
[07:35] <yonil> HappyFool, I'm downloading
[07:35] <Blissex> _gdarel: 'lame' and a nice frontend.
[07:35] <Daylighthater> Can anyone tell me where I can set the vertical allignment of my screen?
[07:35] <anathema> hey my friend is trying to get windows working in grub
[07:35] <Daylighthater> it's an lcd laptop screen
[07:35] <Blissex> errr: in that case on the Ubuntu issue tracker
[07:36] <Daylighthater> it's one row low
[07:36] <anathema> he edits his grub conf...puts in the proper partition
[07:36] <Hoxzer> can somebody help me to install god damn java :((
[07:36] <anathema> but it doesnt work
[07:36] <Blissex> Daylighthater: you cannot...
[07:36] <anathema> any dieas why ?
[07:36] <HappyFool> anathema: what's the error message ?
[07:36] <errr> Blissex: ok, I just wanted to see if I needd to report it to the packager or not. Thanks.,
[07:36] <anathema> sec
[07:36] <Daylighthater> blissex: no??
[07:36] <Daylighthater> thats a bugger
[07:36] <Daylighthater> :s
[07:36] <Blissex> Hoxzer: consider reading http://tinyurl.com/bz8v4 as to asking better questons
[07:36] <anathema> he mentioned something about not recognizing the fs type
[07:36] <_gdarel> Blisseex, That's what I thought.... Any reason I wouldnt be able to find it in Synaptic?
[07:36] <raz> 'Application installer' now takes forever and never loads the list of apps.. Has anyone ever had/fixed that? (checked forums..) - Open to suggestions.
[07:37] <Daylighthater> If i'm at the bottom row, I can't see what i type :s
[07:37] <Blissex> Hoxzer: also, it is a FAQ and there is a nice tutorial on the Ubuntu Wiki IIRC
[07:37] <anathema> HappyFool, no error message
[07:37] <anathema> just pauses
[07:37] <Davey|Ubuntu> hmm
[07:37] <anathema> after showing what parameters it's booting up with (the same shit that was said in the config)
[07:37] <anathema> but says unknown fstype
[07:37] <yonil> HappyFool, what are the "1 2 3 4 5 6 ..." columns ?
[07:37] <HappyFool> anathema: err. does he have "chainloader +1" in the windows entry in menu.lst ?
[07:37] <Davey|Ubuntu> weird
[07:38] <HappyFool> yonil: the runlevels ubuntu starts in. "rescue mode" is 1, and "normal" is 2
[07:38] <xoz> anathema: man grub... it has a good example of configuring grub to boot windows... and unless the actual errors are known, it's difficult to guess what's the problem
[07:38] <anathema> yes
[07:38] <Hoxzer> Blissex: I already read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java and seems its not working at all
[07:38] <anathema> he has chainloader
[07:38] <Zodiac> Whoa
[07:38] <anathema> what he did was this:
[07:38] <HappyFool> don't paste here
[07:38] <anathema> title		Microsoft Windows
[07:38] <anathema> root		(hd1,0)
[07:38] <anathema> savedefault
[07:38] <anathema> makeactive
[07:38] <anathema> chainloader	+1
[07:38] <Zodiac> Half of the drivers on my machine are undtected
[07:38] <anathema> shit
[07:38] <anathema> sorry
[07:38] <anathema> too late..wont happen again
[07:38] <anathema> ill pastebin it
[07:38] <yonil> HappyFool, why most services has 2,3,4 and 5 checked ? i need to disable all of them ?
[07:38] <anathema> haha
[07:38] <HappyFool> yonil: no
[07:38] <p88> hi all
[07:39] <HappyFool> yonil: most of those are probably important for the functioning of the system :)
[07:39] <HappyFool> yonil: look for apache, and for whatever your webcam's service is
[07:39] <p88> hi, my xorg uses framebuffer drivers by default. how do I set it to use its own drivers? vmware doesn't allow full screen in framebuffer mode.
[07:39] <anathema> that beeing done....anything wrong with that? his windows part is on hd1,0 forsure
[07:39] <anathema> according to /boot/grub/device.map
[07:39] <yonil> HappyFool, I'm talking only about the webcam service ;)
[07:39] <yonil> HappyFool, I need to disable it in all 2-5 ?
[07:39] <HappyFool> yonil: oh, i see
[07:40] <HappyFool> yonil: well, only really in 2, but you might as well do it in all
[07:40] <yonil> HappyFool, ok thanks
[07:40] <HappyFool> anathema: hmm
[07:40] <anathema> they are sata drives
[07:40] <anathema> if that means anything
[07:40] <p88> anyone?
[07:40] <anathema> its /dev/sdb1 for windows
[07:40] <anathema> /dev/sda1 for linux
[07:41] <xoz> yonil: you want the fastest way? just rename the symbolic link of apache/webcam in /etc/rc.2-5 dir
[07:41] <Davey|Ubuntu> ivoks: it couldn't connet
[07:41] <Davey|Ubuntu> connect
[07:41] <Davey|Ubuntu> back to using network-admin ;)
[07:41] <HappyFool> anathema: ubuntu is booting properly ?
[07:41] <ivoks> Davey|Ubuntu: to what?
[07:41] <anathema> yeah hes in ubuntu now
[07:41] <iceman> what video player are there ?
[07:41] <Davey|Ubuntu> ivoks: the same wireless network as I disconnected from using network-admin
[07:41] <HappyFool> anathema: can he mount the windows partition?
[07:41] <ivoks> Davey|Ubuntu: does it have DCHP?
[07:42] <Davey|Ubuntu> ivoks: yes
[07:42] <HappyFool> anathema: so that we know it's working, and it's where you think it is
[07:42] <anathema> like no error message really, other than when its showing its diagnostic type messages it says unknown fs type
[07:42] <ivoks> Davey|Ubuntu: and it apeard in list?
[07:42] <iceman> mplayer ?
[07:42] <anathema> rather than ext3 for ubuntu
[07:42] <Hoxzer> aargh apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5.0 is not working >_<
[07:42] <anathema> Hoxzer, you cant do that
[07:42] <Davey|Ubuntu> is there anyway to make my keyboard shortcuts work like the windows one? i.e. win+nothing == Gnome menu, win+r == run command, wind+d == show desktop
[07:42] <Davey|Ubuntu> ivoks: I saw no way to generate said list, there was none when I opened it
[07:43] <anathema> Davey|Ubuntu, kind of...the win key has some serious bugs in gnome
[07:43] <ivoks> Davey|Ubuntu: buy windows :)
[07:43] <Davey|Ubuntu> brb
[07:43] <raz> 'Application installer' (add/remove) now takes forever and never loads the list of apps.. Has anyone ever had/fixed that? (checked forums..) - Open to suggestions.
[07:43] <ivoks> Davey|Ubuntu: lol, you have to configure it
[07:43] <Davey|Ubuntu> ivoks: oh, I have it, I'm trying to get away from it ;)
[07:43] <ivoks> Davey|Ubuntu: it assumes that your wifi is on eth2
[07:43] <Davey|Ubuntu> ivoks: ah, its on ath0 :)
[07:43] <Davey|Ubuntu> ivoks: where do I configure it? I saw no option
[07:43] <ivoks> Davey|Ubuntu: check /etc/wifi-radar.conf
[07:44] <Davey|Ubuntu> excellent :)
[07:44] <anathema> HappyFool, he says it mounted perfectly
[07:44] <Davey|Ubuntu> thanks
[07:44] <HappyFool> anathema: doh
[07:44] <ivoks> hm... that would be nice feature...
[07:44] <HappyFool> anathema: i am fast running out of ideas
[07:44] <ivoks> i could implement that...
[07:44] <anathema> doh
[07:44] <anathema> why would it say unknown fs type
[07:44] <anathema> is that normal ?
[07:45] <yonil> anyone here has experience with setting a splash image to grub ?
[07:45] <HappyFool> well, i thought that if it was 'chainloading' it wouldn't need to read the filesystem
[07:45] <anathema> hmmm
[07:45] <anathema> well he says it wasnt even like an error
[07:46] <anathema> just a diagnostic type message that popped up as the thing displayed its info
[07:46] <anathema> but what actually happened was just nothing
[07:46] <anathema> froze
[07:46] <anathema> not froze i guess, just didnt boot
[07:46] <anathema> sat there
[07:47] <rezz> any greek here?
[07:47] <HappyFool> if you remove the ubuntu drive, does the system boot ok?
[07:48] <HappyFool> i.e., do you know that the windows install is correct?
[07:48] <anathema> he just recently installed it
[07:48] <anathema> then installed grub
[07:48] <anathema> maybe grub messed up the install info?
[07:49] <demian__> yoo
[07:49] <raz> um.. how would you uninstall an app from terminal?
[07:49] <demian__> I need to turn off the demon sound manager....
[07:49] <anathema> sudo apt-get remove <app>
[07:49] <demian__> or something
[07:49] <anathema> demian
[07:49] <demian__> anathema,
[07:49] <anathema> go to sounds in your preferences....
[07:49] <anathema> disable the sound server startup
[07:49] <Daylighthater> I've had an fonterror during first startup
[07:49] <anathema> then in a console type 'sudo killall esd'
[07:49] <Daylighthater> ttf-opensymbol
[07:50] <demian__> anathema, thnx
[07:50] <Daylighthater> this gave error
[07:50] <anathema> just some font it cant find Daylighthater , probly not a big deal
[07:50] <raz> anathema, thanky
[07:50] <anathema> raz?
[07:50] <anathema> oh
[07:50] <Daylighthater> ttf-bitstream-ver also
[07:50] <anathema> heh
[07:51] <Daylighthater> and ttf-freefont
[07:51] <Daylighthater> :s
[07:51] <anathema> ttf are just fonts
[07:51] <Daylighthater> just passed
[07:51] <anathema> you can install extra fonts if you wanna
[07:51] <HappyFool> anathema: why did he have to install grub ? wasn't it already installed with ubuntu ?
[07:51] <anathema> er yeah nevermind
[07:51] <anathema> he installed linux on one hdd
[07:51] <anathema> installed windows on the other
[07:51] <Daylighthater> xfont just said: you don't have defomized fontpackages
[07:51] <Daylighthater> :s
[07:51] <Rev_Fry> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3015  This looks like my issue.. and it looks like it is still unsolved
[07:51] <anathema> i thought windows would have overwritten grub
[07:51] <Daylighthater> what should I do about that
[07:52] <ivoks> D[a] vey: works? :)
[07:52] <D[a] vey> ivoks: it still wouldn't work. It found the wireless network (and somebody elses!) but dhcp wouldn't work :/
[07:52] <raz> 'Application installer' (add/remove) now takes forever and never loads the list of apps.. Has anyone ever had/fixed that? (checked forums..) - Open to suggestions.
[07:52] <ivoks> D[a] vey: hm... do you have dhclient?
[07:52] <HappyFool> anathema: hmm, sorry, i don't what could be wrong. it sounds like the setup is correct.
[07:52] <Davey> ivoks: I hope so
[07:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> is all the stuff in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base being run every time i boot?!
[07:52] <anathema> doh
[07:53] <Daylighthater> be back later... Barbeque now
[07:53] <ivoks> Davey: it wouldn't install without it
[07:53] <Davey> ivoks: ok
[07:53] <ivoks> Davey: u tried once or couple of times?
[07:53] <_stealth> anyone know of a desktop recording prog?
[07:53] <raz> umm........... is there anyway to drag/drop to mplayer?
[07:53] <Davey> ivoks: many times
[07:53] <anathema> what happened happyfool is he took his linux drive out
[07:53] <_stealth> sumthin like fraps or camtasia studio?
[07:53] <anathema> then installed windows on another hdd
[07:53] <ivoks> Davey: when it discovers networks, it relies on dhclient to get ip
[07:54] <anathema> then put the linux drive back
[07:54] <Davey> ivoks: which I should have, right?
[07:54] <ivoks> Davey: did you run wifi-radar.sh or wifi-radar?
[07:54] <Davey> ivoks: I run whatever it put in my menu
[07:54] <ivoks> Davey: or from menu?
[07:54] <ivoks> ah, menu... ok
[07:54] <HappyFool> anathema: hm. i can't imagine windows is *that* sensitive
[07:54] <ivoks> then it should work
[07:54] <Davey> it doesn't
[07:54] <anathema> doh
[07:54] <anathema> dunno what to do
[07:54] <anathema> we wanna play ut
[07:55] <anathema> but fucking skype uses OSS :(
[07:55] <ivoks> Davey: it does to everybody else
[07:55] <anathema> i should send them an angry letter
[07:55] <ivoks> :)
[07:55] <anathema> tell them to get the alsa stuff goin
[07:55] <Davey> ivoks: well, then maybe I'm special :)
[07:55] <Davey> ivoks: network-admin works fine anyways
[07:55] <ivoks> Davey: yeah, it works great while you have on AP :)
[07:55] <HappyFool> skype doesn't work on ubuntu?
[07:55] <anathema> yes it works
[07:55] <anathema> but it uses OSS
[07:55] <anathema> so if we're talking on skype..cant hear sound in ut
[07:55] <anathema> stupid as hell
[07:55] <Davey> ivoks: I'm not planning on moving my desktop that often ;)
[07:55] <HappyFool> ah
[07:56] <anathema> why they would use outdated sound system is beyond me
[07:56] <ivoks> Davey: hehe i have laptop :)
[07:56] <ivoks> anathema: you can
[07:57] <ivoks> skype, oss, alsa: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-32063.html
[07:57] <flummox> hey! first: sorry for my bad english, second: I know that this isn't the psi-support-channel, but i'd like to install psi running Kubuntu Hoary. whenever I try to install with 'sudo dpkg -i <packagename>' apt returns with an error that psi requires 'libqcal' but up to now I wasn't able to find this lib - does anyone has a hint for me?
[07:57] <Davey> ivoks: I did too, till last night :/
[07:58] <HappyFool> anathema: sorry i can't be of help
[07:58] <Davey> ivoks: tried to flash the CD-RW/DVD firmware and it crashed and now I can't boot :/
[07:58] <abraxas77> comoa ndas?
[07:58] <_stealth> flummox: u cant use synaptic?
[07:59] <_stealth> so taht it would get the dependicies for you
[07:59] <flummox> it doesn't perform well for me and, of course, i hate the gui ;)
[07:59] <ivoks> :))
[07:59] <peaceyall> hello
[07:59] <_stealth> flummox: what about apt-get via konsole?
[08:00] <flummox> i tried with aptitude too, universe and multiuniverse are in the sources.list, but it doesn't work
[08:00] <flummox> -doesn't +didn't
[08:00] <peaceyall> i keep getting printing: unable to connect to SAMBA host, retrying in 60 seconds , when i print.
[08:00] <peaceyall> whats wrong
[08:01] <peaceyall> this is the error i get : "Printing: Unable to connect to SAMBA host, will retry in 60 seconds...ERROR:  Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED"
[08:02] <dr_willis> peaceyall,   you trying to print to a windows shared printer?
[08:03] <peaceyall> yes
[08:03] <peaceyall> i forgot to sya that lol :/
[08:03] <rg58sma> someone knows another wm
[08:04] <rg58sma> that fluxbox
[08:04] <rg58sma> and gnome
[08:04] <dr_willis> peaceyall,  sounds like the windows machine is either not accepting the print requests or has some firewall.
[08:04] <peaceyall> nop no firewalls and all ports are opened
[08:04] <dr_willis> rg58sma,  Huh?  thers dozens of window managers out for linux.
[08:05] <dr_willis> peaceyall,   could also be a password issue.  or the problem may be with how cups is connecting to the shared printer
[08:05] <Davey> how compatible is the X.org and XFree86 configuration files? will something work in X.org if it works in XFree86?
[08:06] <peaceyall> well dr_willis i have no password on my windows computer
[08:06] <rg58sma> tellme one
[08:06] <Davey> rg58sma: enlightenment
[08:07] <dr_willis> peaceyall,  i always make users on linux and  windows with same name and password. :P dont forget to add samba passwords for the users also on linux side. - NOT sure if all this is needed.. but its  worked good for me.
[08:07] <JStrike> enlightenment. Urgh
[08:07] <goldfish> Davey: should do
[08:07] <dr_willis> http://xwinman.org/    - a HUGE list of all window managers.
[08:07] <Davey> goldfish: OK, thanks
[08:07] <mishof> Sound doesnt seem to work, everything is telling me the device is in use .. what can i do ? :(
[08:08] <rg58sma> another
[08:08] <goldfish> rg58sma: XFCE
[08:08] <mishof> oh wait, sound working in totem, but not in xmms
[08:09] <mishof> no matter what output device i choose
[08:09] <dr_willis> rg58sma,    -------->>>>>    http://xwinman.org/    - a HUGE list of all window managers.
[08:09] <rg58sma> i have installed my card
[08:09] <dr_willis> well most all :P
[08:09] <rg58sma> but my tv is black
[08:09] <Feanor-> Hey guys, I just got Ubuntu and installed amaroK as my music player, but for some reason, I don't hear anything. Even though it says the song is playing, any idea what could be wrong?
[08:09] <jasmuz> Hello all
[08:09] <robertj> Feanor: is the volume down?
[08:10] <mishof> How can i check if a program is using the soundcard?
[08:10] <Feanor-> nope
[08:10] <robertj> Feanor: do other apps play sound?
[08:10] <Feanor-> I'm not even sure if other apps should play sound :p
[08:10] <spanglesontoast> how do I switch the alias for alsa
[08:10] <mishof> robertj, blah why dont you help me, ive asked the same question (and sound does work in other applications)
[08:10] <spanglesontoast> ?
[08:10] <robertj> Feanor: I'd try with rhythmbox first
[08:10] <Feanor-> okey
[08:10] <JStrike> Feanor- : Does the default music player play sound?
[08:10] <jasmuz> Feanor-: are you in Gnome or KDE?
[08:10] <Feanor-> I'm checking that atm Jstrike
[08:10] <robertj> mishof: well first of all, because I just got back from lunch
[08:10] <Feanor-> GGnome
[08:11] <spanglesontoast> how do I switch the alias for alsa anyone?
[08:11] <robertj> mishof: and second of all, because your being whiny
[08:11] <jasmuz> Feanor-: did you check what means of sound its using, ALSA, OSS; or ESD?
[08:11] <mishof> robertj, aight, thanks alot anyway
[08:11] <Davey> brb
[08:12] <robertj> does amarok use arts by default?
[08:12] <robertj> or does it go to gstreamer?
[08:12] <spanglesontoast> anyone know how to change the sound alias???
[08:12] <Feanor-> I just tried using the default music player, it doesn't work. And it gives me the error that it doesn't have a plugin to play MP3 files.
[08:12] <Feanor-> Where can I get that?
[08:12] <jasmuz> robertj:  think it does arts
[08:12] <mishof> fixed my problem by the way
[08:12] <JStrike> Feanor- : Download gstreamer0.8-mad using synaptic
[08:12] <robertj> doesn't it also offer a gstreamer choice?
[08:12] <Feanor-> okey, thanks
[08:12] <jasmuz> Feanor-: do you need a mp3 player
[08:13] <jasmuz> Feanor-: just download Xmms
[08:13] <robertj> Feanor: but yeah, if you just want mp3, use rhythmbox with gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:13] <rg58sma> kde works in ubuntu??
[08:13] <JStrike> xmms, urgh
[08:13] <dr_willis> rg58sma,  yes.
[08:14] <Feanor-> robertj, i just don't want mp3, but that's what it said when i tried to import songs into the player :p
[08:14] <jasmuz> rg58sma: yes it does
[08:14] <rg58sma> grax
[08:14] <Davey|Ubuntu> how do I make it so GDM gives me the option to use enlightenment?
[08:14] <jasmuz> rg58sma: de nada
[08:14] <rg58sma> jaja
[08:14] <robertj> Rhythmbox will play whatever gstreamer has plugins fopr
[08:15] <jasmuz> Davey|Ubuntu: just install the enlightment that comes for ubuntu....it will be added to the GDM
[08:15] <jasmuz> rg58sma: de donde sois?
[08:15] <JStrike> Davey|Ubuntu : E16 or E17?
[08:15] <rg58sma> argento
[08:15] <rg58sma> tu dominicana??
[08:15] <spanglesontoast> anyone know how to change the sound alias???
[08:15] <jasmuz> rg58sma: Dominicano (Rep. Dominicana)
[08:15] <JStrike> Davey|Ubuntu : Either way, look at the Enlightenment website or just google it
[08:15] <Feanor-> hmm
[08:15] <galidor> hi everyone
[08:15] <rg58sma> mucho gusto
[08:16] <mishof> Feanor-,  I recommend beep media player, its like xmms, only up to date with unicode support.
[08:16] <Feanor-> i downloaded that gstreamer0.8-mad file... but it still doesn't work
[08:16] <jasmuz> spanglesontoast: could you stop repeating yourself?
[08:16] <robertj> Feanor: did you use synaptic?
[08:16] <Feanor-> yes
[08:16] <robertj> Feanor: and did you restart rhythmbox?
[08:16] <Davey|Ubuntu> found it, I think :)
[08:16] <Davey|Ubuntu> jasmuz: it doesn't add it to the GDM
[08:16] <spanglesontoast> no one told me
[08:16] <Davey|Ubuntu> jasmuz: just FYI
[08:16] <spanglesontoast> I really need help
[08:16] <spanglesontoast> with it
[08:16] <JStrike> Feanor- : You installed it via Synaptic?
[08:17] <Feanor-> Yes
[08:17] <robertj> Feanor: and restarted Rhythmbox?
[08:17] <Feanor-> not using rhythmbox
[08:17] <jasmuz> spanglesontoast: send me a query
[08:17] <mishof> Feanor-, you checked its on correct output device (oss/alsa/eSound) ?
[08:17] <galidor> I need help with CUPS please
[08:17] <Feanor-> Where can I do that?
[08:17] <galidor> could someone helme?
[08:17] <JStrike> Feanor- : Try with rythmbox (It is the default player)
[08:18] <spanglesontoast> well basically
[08:18] <spanglesontoast> I need to find a way of stopping my soundcard cmedia
[08:18] <spanglesontoast> and that my other one works
[08:18] <daba> hey.
[08:18] <spanglesontoast> instead
[08:18] <daba> how do I open a terminal in 9wm window manager?
[08:19] <daba> :-p
[08:19] <JStrike> Why dont you ask the in 9wm channel?
[08:19] <galidor> witch is the password for the CUPS web administration?
[08:19] <daba> Why dont you just tell me what movide you are trying to see...(Kramer)
[08:19] <jasmuz> spanglesontoast: did you use the ubuntuforums.org
[08:20] <robertj> Feanor: so does it work with Rhythmbox?
[08:20] <Feanor-> Well, Rhythmbox seems to require me to have the install disc, which I don't have atm. Any other player you recommend?
[08:20] <daba> JStrike: hey, sorry, I am here often, I was just joking about the terminal:)
[08:20] <Feanor-> nvm
[08:20] <robertj> feanor: it's installed by default and even if it wasn't it would be under synaptic
[08:20] <JStrike> Feanor- : It comes with Ubuntu. It is the default media player
[08:20] <Feanor-> no it doesn't work
[08:20] <daba> Can Anyone help my with my ISSUE?????
[08:20] <daba> :)
[08:20] <mishof> Feanor-, just get beep media player
[08:21] <Hoxzer> nonthing is working!
[08:21] <robertj> unless your using kubuntu in which  case you are in the wrong channel
[08:21] <JStrike> mishof : beep is a ui mess
[08:21] <Feanor-> naw, i have rhythmbox, didn't know it was the default heh
[08:21] <Feanor-> but nope, it doesn't work
[08:21] <nalioth> Feanor-: you can negate the install disk requirement by commenting out the cdrom line in your sources.list
[08:21] <mishof> JStrike, huh? whats the problem with it ?
[08:22] <dabaSlon> feanor, what doesnt work in it?:
[08:22] <dabaSlon> playing music?
[08:22] <Feanor-> yes
[08:22] <Feanor-> can't hear anything
[08:22] <dabaSlon> If so, well, yuou need codecs.
[08:22] <Feanor-> the song plays, but I can't hear anything
[08:22] <dabaSlon> sound in other progs, tho?
[08:22] <Feanor-> nope
[08:23] <dabaSlon> well, obviously the issue is wider than that, then.
[08:23] <dabaSlon> what sound card?
[08:23] <Feanor-> Sound Blaster
[08:23] <mishof> JStrike, bmp seems to be xmms with a boost which enables unicode  characters in song names, I don't see any problems with it ..
[08:23] <Feanor-> well, my soundcard works fine on my other HDD
[08:23] <dabaSlon> is it the only one in there?
[08:23] <Feanor-> yes
[08:23] <dabaSlon> within ubuntu as well?
[08:23] <dabaSlon> the other hard drive...
[08:23] <Feanor-> No
[08:23] <dabaSlon> ok, well, keep it focused.
[08:24] <Feanor-> other one has windows, this one has ubuntu
[08:24] <Rev_Fry> Is powernowd only in the 64bit version?  I see a bug referencing it
[08:24] <dabaSlon> all right, well, paste the output of amixer to http://pastebin.com please, I will tell you iff the problem is just adjusting the volume, further than that, you will likely be best off going to the forums, they are good for sound.
[08:24] <JStrike> mishof : It has a horrid UI
[08:24] <dabaSlon> amixer in a terminal, and paste it to pastebin.
[08:24] <Feanor-> where can I get the output of amixer?
[08:25] <dabaSlon> Rev_Fry: I have powernowd on ppc...
[08:25] <dabaSlon> Please open a terminal, and type in amixer
[08:25] <Feanor-> ye
[08:25] <mishof> JStrike, ?? looks better than xmms imo
[08:25] <Feanor-> did that
[08:25] <Feanor-> just copy and paste it there?
[08:25] <dabaSlon> that will get you the output, and please paste everything to that site. Give me the url once you are done.
[08:25] <Feanor-> k
[08:25] <JStrike> mishof : Yes. But not by much
[08:25] <mishof> JStrike, with the ubuntu theme its pretty sleek ;)
[08:26] <JStrike> Feanor- : I assume your volume is not muted or low?
[08:26] <dabaSlon> jstruike, it is a gtk frontend to xms...
[08:26] <dabaSlon> mishof: I dont see what he finds to be a ui nightmare...:)
[08:26] <JStrike> dabaSlon : I am fully aware of what it is
[08:26] <Rev_Fry> daba.. .okay.. in bug 1218 someone suggests removing that on their amd stopped hard locks
[08:26] <dabaSlon> great, thats settled then:)
[08:26] <anathema> damnit
[08:26] <anathema> trying to get skype to work with arts
[08:26] <anathema> i keep gettng the message
[08:26] <anathema> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:868:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[08:26] <SpriteSODA> hi
[08:27] <SpriteSODA> can someone help me?
[08:27] <anathema> but dmix is open! it should work
[08:27] <jasmuz> SpriteSODA: how can we help?
[08:27] <SpriteSODA> i've downloaded and installed the WineCVS.sh . ive installed the profile number 0. after all the installation
[08:27] <SpriteSODA> if i do
[08:27] <SpriteSODA> cvscedega
[08:28] <SpriteSODA> it says that there is no such command
[08:28] <dimeo> another noob setup question:  I've installed libdvdcss2 but DVD playback in totem is really jerky.  any suggestions?
[08:28] <nalioth> dimeo: have you enabled DMA?
[08:28] <anathema> dimeo, have to enable dma
[08:28] <Rev_Fry> How do I keep things like powernod (in init.d) from loading?
[08:28] <jasmuz> dimeo: dont use totem...use mplayer or Xine!
[08:28] <dimeo> how do I enable DMA?
[08:28] <jasmuz> Rev_Fry: when you boot ...ctrl+c
[08:29] <dabaSlon> dimeo: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:29] <dimeo> will read thanx
[08:29] <jasmuz> SpriteSODA: that isnt the command
[08:29] <Hoxzer> can somebody help me to install java?
[08:29] <jasmuz> SpriteSODA: its wine
[08:29] <SpriteSODA> mmm
[08:29] <SpriteSODA> it changes the original wine?
[08:30] <jasmuz> Hoxzer: did you read www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:30] <SpriteSODA> i dont think so
[08:30] <nalioth> Hoxzer: did the wiki or ubuntuguide not work for you?
[08:30] <Hoxzer> yes
[08:30] <SpriteSODA> www.whatsup.co.il/index/.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=147255#147255
[08:30] <Hoxzer> yes it can't connect to the java servers
[08:30] <SpriteSODA> they write there that to check it
[08:30] <dabaSlon> this is a pastebin of amixer, if anyone has any knowledge of looking into that, please do, and tell me if anything is wrong: http://pastebin.com/291347 .
[08:30] <SpriteSODA> do cvscedega filename.exe
[08:30] <dimeo> which do people like more xine or mplayer?
[08:30] <Hoxzer> it says "incorret login"
[08:30] <dabaSlon> Hoxzer:  www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/java
[08:31] <Amaranth> dimeo: vlc
[08:31] <dabaSlon> that is installing java
[08:31] <jasmuz> Wine sucks....i tried to run it last name...and it went poo on me
[08:31] <dr_willis> dimeo,  depends :P ive some files that xine dont play and mplayer does.
[08:31] <Hoxzer> Daba: I already read that like 10 times
[08:31] <Fator_Dee> dimeo: both have their supporters, and then there's other players too :-p
[08:31] <rg58sma> ok
[08:31] <SpriteSODA> its not wine, its another version of it i think
[08:31] <Amaranth> vlc plays everything i throw at it except wmv3
[08:31] <nalioth> Hoxzer: you need to download the bin FROM the server and execute it on your machine
[08:31] <Amaranth> and i know a vlc developer who has wmv3 working
[08:31] <dabaSlon> hoxzer, yeah, your issue seems weird, a little, what logging into Java, I never did that...
[08:31] <jasmuz> dimeo: because it gives better images, more seekable...and you have tons of options!
[08:32] <Hoxzer> Nali: what server?
[08:32] <dabaSlon> Hoxzer: the computer the file is on...
[08:32] <SpriteSODA> have anyone here tried cvscedega?
[08:32] <Hoxzer> yeah and I dont know what comp it is
[08:33] <nalioth> Hoxzer: follow the inst on ubuntuguide.org for java
[08:33] <dabaSlon> SpriteSODA: I think there is a channel just for wine, here too. anyone know of that?
[08:33] <dabaSlon> hoixzer, I can show you...
[08:33] <Fator_Dee> dabaSlon: #wine?
[08:33] <SpriteSODA> lol
[08:34] <SpriteSODA> only 3 ppl there=\
[08:34] <Fator_Dee> :-|
[08:34] <dr_willis> #whiskey
[08:34] <dr_willis> :P
[08:34] <UnreA|L> Are know toolbars like mac os dock for gnome ?
[08:34] <SpriteSODA> =P
[08:34] <Amaranth> #wine isn't the right place, you want #cedega
[08:34] <hybrid> me joins #whiskey
[08:34] <SpriteSODA> aha!
[08:34] <Gus_> hello
[08:34] <SpriteSODA> thanks buddy
[08:34] <dr_willis> UnreA|L,  thers some clones out that are similer. but i think they used the gdesklets stuff.
[08:34] <dabaSlon> UnreA|L: I think gdesklets does that, I have it installed, but I have not played around with it yet.
[08:35] <JStrike> gDesklets doesn't really have anything like the dock last time I looked
[08:35] <dabaSlon> hoxzer, do you know how to add a repository?
[08:36] <dabaSlon> didnt,.,..I dont know, I never used it yet...
[08:36] <dimeo> i
[08:36] <dimeo> I'm having trouble accessing my USB keychain.  Any suggestions?
[08:36] <Gus_> can anyone tell me if there is a way, using a Live version of Ubuntu, to save config files, and various stuff (like downloaded packages)
[08:36] <dabaSlon> what trouble?
[08:36] <latis> which fs should I use om my 250Gb hdd? ext2, ext3 or reiserfs?
[08:36] <JStrike> dimeo : What trouble
[08:36] <dimeo> dabaslon system-->admin-->synaptic
[08:36] <dr_willis> Gus_,  you could mount your hard drives and manyally copy things over.. but that can be a pain
[08:37] <jasmuz> dimeo:  did you mount it?
[08:37] <Hoxzer> Nalioth: all I found was "how to install java for Mozzilla and it isn't also working
[08:37] <dr_willis> latis,  id say ext3
[08:37] <jasmuz> latis: reiserfs
[08:37] <dr_willis> :)
[08:37] <latis> ive heard that reiserfs is more "unstable" ?
[08:37] <dabaSlon> Gus_: I think the last time someone asked about live cd saving config files, he got no as an abnswer.
[08:37] <JStrike> jasmuz : You dont need to mount it. Ubuntu does that automatically
[08:37] <Gus_> dr_willis, thanks for the answer =) i already mounted my drives to access my XP partition (boo XP user ^^)
[08:37] <dimeo> Jstrike, I can see it show up under places, and it's like turns on, but when I open it... no cigar
[08:37] <dr_willis> depends on what your needs are..
[08:37] <dabaSlon> latis, use x3
[08:37] <Gus_> dabaSlon,  that's encouraging =D
[08:37] <dabaSlon> xfs3
[08:37] <dr_willis> Gus_,  copying things to a NTFS partion - may not be doable.
[08:37] <dimeo> jasmuz doesn't it get automatically mounted?
[08:38] <abraxas77> ubuntu use rpm or what?
[08:38] <dabaSlon> dr_willis: ah, that is why, makes sense...
[08:38] <dr_willis> abraxas77,  no rpms. :P
[08:38] <dimeo> use .deb
[08:38] <JStrike> dimeo : It gets automatically mounted
[08:38] <latis> dabaSlon, what does it have to its advantage over ext3?
[08:38] <Gus_> dr_willis, okay... admitting i'd create a FAT partition, would it then be possible ?
[08:38] <LinuxJones> abraxas77, it uses .deb
[08:38] <dr_willis> Gus_,  Yep.
[08:38] <abraxas77> how can install .deb?
[08:38] <jasmuz> JStrike: ive had to mount some
[08:38] <JStrike> dimeo : Strange problem
[08:38] <LinuxJones> abraxas77, dpkg -i package.deb
[08:38] <Feanor-> Anyone know why no apps make sound for me?
[08:38] <dimeo> abraxas use system-->admin-->synaptic
[08:39] <abraxas77> thank u LinuxJones
[08:39] <LinuxJones> abraxas77, ;)
[08:39] <Gus_> the thing is: i don't have the courage yet to setup a dual boot, which means freeing space on the maptop etc... so i'd like to get the hang of the distro a bit more before doing it... but installing stuff everytime i boot is gonna get on my nerves =D
[08:39] <JStrike> Feanor- : Is your volume up and not muted?
[08:39] <toxicfume> Hi all, i'm new to ubuntu, i installde it on my laptop ..but it wouldn't display and had troubles with my IPW2200B/G NIC...can someone help please? thanks
[08:39] <dabaSlon> Hoxzer: this should be it, please tell me if taht does no work for you.. . http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[08:39] <Feanor-> As far as I know yes, unless it's default turned down and muted.
[08:39] <JStrike> Feanor- : Check
[08:40] <dabaSlon> latis, it is the best one, acording to one guy here, ivoks...you can pretty much use any of those, and you will be fine, use a journaled one, dont use ext2.
[08:40] <Feanor-> The volume is up, and it isn't muted.
[08:40] <yonil> Is there a messenger for linux that has webcam support ? (gaim doesnt seem to have that)
[08:40] <Gus_> dr_willis, so admitting such FAT partition exists, how could i do to save everything to it when booting from the Live CD ?
[08:41] <Feanor-> any idea JStrike ?
[08:41] <JStrike> Feanor- : Right click on the volume icon and choose preferences
[08:41] <nalioth> Hoxzer: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre    this works. i've installed it on several clients systems
[08:41] <JStrike> Then make sure Master and PCM aren't muted
[08:41] <dabaSlon> yonil: what was that program called....it is gnomemeeting.
[08:41] <Feanor-> how do i check if they are muted or not?
[08:42] <dabaSlon> there would be a muite symbol.
[08:42] <Feanor-> there isn't
[08:42] <JStrike> yonil : Gnomemeeting. But it isn't really a messenger like gaim
[08:42] <dabaSlon> they are not, tho, I checked on your amixer;.
[08:42] <Feanor-> k
[08:42] <johannes> I'm trying to run warcraft 3 with the latest version of wine and it's complaining that It can't find "OPENGL32.DLL". What should I do?
[08:42] <jasmuz> yonil: if you wcam is supported...then gnomeeeting
[08:42] <dabaSlon> Feanor-: check this page out, search a little, there are good tutorials on doing sound there: http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=833533 .
[08:42] <dabaSlon> most webcams dont seem to work, I find.
[08:43] <Feanor-> okey
[08:43] <toxicfume> Hi all, i'm new to ubuntu, i installde it on my laptop ..but it wouldn't display and had troubles with my IPW2200B/G NIC...can someone help please? thanks
[08:43] <dr_willis> Gus_,  not even sure if the ubuntu live cd can handle it. and proberly not with a vfat partition.  now with a Knoppix Live cd, and a little ext3 partotion - i hear you CAN install stuff and make changes that will survive reboots
[08:43] <dabaSlon> johannes: regarding the error, or the lifestyle;)
[08:43] <dabaSlon> toxicfume: it wouldnt display?
[08:44] <dr_willis> Gus_,  but considreing you must partition the hard drive anyway.. Hmm may be better to do a normal install..
[08:44] <novaflare> huge storm shutting down
[08:44] <dabaSlon> its pretty nice weather here....
[08:44] <dabaSlon> :)
[08:44] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: yeah, after it scrolls through all the bootup messages, and loads X..it just goes to a black screen
[08:45] <Gus_> dr_willis,  hehe, but there's a big difference between having to free 2 gigs for saving stuff, and freeing a 10 Gb space to allow for a new partition ^
[08:45] <LinuxJones> toxicfume, what video card do you have in that laptop ?
[08:45] <yonil>  jasmuz, JStrike: yeah I know about that program, too bad they dont add the feature to msn messanger client in gaim, since many people who uses windows use that ...
[08:45] <dabaSlon> toxicfume: yeah, and what lapptop, too...
[08:45] <toxicfume> LinuxJones: x700 64mb
[08:45] <Rev_Fry> So far so good... =/
[08:46] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: Acer Aspire 1692
[08:46] <toxicfume> LinuxJones: which is an ati
[08:46] <Rev_Fry> Where can I get a better system monitor?  That covers processor speed and possibly even temps and fan speeds?
[08:46] <LinuxJones> toxicfume, lspci -v and tell what manufacturers card it is ie nvidia or ati ?
[08:46] <dabaSlon> this may be handy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsAcer :)
[08:46] <toxicfume> LinuxJones: it's ATI
[08:47] <jasmuz> yonil: that is one reason i dont chat much on Linux (it has improved my work time)
[08:47] <dabaSlon> yonil, it is a copyright issue.
[08:47] <LinuxJones> toxicfume, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:48] <dabaSlon> or maybe not, that laptop is not in the list:)
[08:49] <toxicfume> LinuxJones: thanks :) what are the chances that that page would fix my problem?
[08:49] <JStrike> yonil : There is a version of gaim with webcam support called gaim-vv, but it is still experimental as far as I recall, and I am not sure where you would find debs for it
[08:49] <LinuxJones> toxicfume, you will need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf rather than the one mentioned in that article
[08:50] <toxicfume> LinuxJones: rather than which one?
[08:50] <dabaSlon> toxicfume: 100% if you can follow it...
[08:50] <LinuxJones> toxicfume, /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[08:50] <LinuxJones> toxicfume, Hoary uses xorg which uses the config file  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:51] <toxicfume> LinuxJones: well they have it mentioned there already that you need to edit the xorg.conf file if you are using Hoary
[08:51] <LinuxJones> toxicfume, perfect
[08:52] <toxicfume> LinuxJones: thanks a lot for that, i'll do it now :)
[08:52] <LinuxJones> toxicfume, gl :)
[08:53] <desrt> anyone running X on a breezy box right now?
[08:55] <dimeo> anyone use kwifimanager?
[08:55] <LinuxJones> desrt, Breezy is broken
[08:56] <dimeo> I don't get why
[08:56] <robertj> LinuxJones: of course it is!
[08:56] <desrt> LinuxJones; i'm noticing :)
[08:56] <LinuxJones> desrt, there are lots of changes taking place right now and it's gonna be borked for a while
[08:56] <desrt> usually it's not broken as bad as i find it broken today :)
[08:56] <dimeo> Why is KDE stuff in synaptic for ubuntu when it uses gnome
[08:57] <LinuxJones> dr_willis, they are moving to gcc 4
[08:57] <Riddell> dimeo: it has KDE as well, see kubuntu.org
[08:57] <dr_willis> dimeo,  why are there dozens of other window managers in there as well? :P
[08:57] <dr_willis> dimeo,  answer: this is linux. :P use what you want.. dont install what you dont want.
[08:57] <dr_willis> LinuxJones,  ahh.. yes  - i see a BIG change..
[08:57] <dabaSlon> or jsut get a big hd and isntall everything..
[08:58] <LinuxJones> dr_willis, yeah :)
[08:58] <dimeo> I'm still confused why there isn't a WIfi manager included for gnome which is the default window manager
[08:58] <dabaSlon> like me...except for the big hd part...
[08:58] <dr_willis> dabaSlon,  thats what i do.
[08:58] <dr_willis> 200gb hd's are cheap these days :P
[08:58] <dabaSlon> ya, me and you are totally alike:)
[08:58] <nalioth> dabaSlon: can you loan me a few 500gb drives so i can install "everything" (or get close)
[08:58] <dabaSlon> I have a 160-, for windows...
[08:58] <dabaSlon> I never use it tho,..
[08:58] <robertj> dimeo: Network Manager does enough for most people
[08:58] <dabaSlon> I am right now, just by chance...
[08:58] <dabaSlon> I gotta switch that...
[08:59] <dabaSlon> nalioth: alas...
[08:59] <robertj> dimeo: and the corner cases are quite varied, which means it goes far down the priority list
[09:00] <nalioth> dabaSlon: having 1500 gmail accounts just won't do
[09:00] <dabaSlon> haha
[09:00] <dabaSlon> well, with gmailfs...:)
[09:00] <dabaSlon> but, yeah, too many folders...and that.
[09:01] <nalioth> dabaSlon: just wont do (even with gmailfs)
[09:01] <dabaSlon> :)
[09:01] <toxicfume> LinuxJones: can you help me? When i type the first command from that Wiki, sudo apt-get install, it says: E: Couldn't find package xorg-driver-fglrx
[09:01] <dabaSlon> thats a crazy idea, tho.:)
[09:01] <dabaSlon> toxicfume: did you follow what it said, tho, perhaps you need to add a repositoory.
[09:01] <dimeo> I'm looking for a good notes organizer/manager in synaptic, any suggestions?
[09:02] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: but that command is the first step itself
[09:02] <dabaSlon> ok, let me see.
[09:02] <toxicfume> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:02] <dabaSlon> dimeo, look into evolution, I hear it has that, other than that, search your synaptic.
[09:02] <petroleum> does anyone here use Amule?  or could possibly advise on a client to replace it?
[09:03] <dabaSlon> hey, thanks:)
[09:03] <dabaSlon> funk, why am I not in ubuntu...
[09:03] <dabaSlon> :)
[09:03] <dabaSlon> ill b back.
[09:03] <HappyFool> xorg-driver-fglrx is in restricted
[09:04] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: np :)
[09:04] <HappyFool> toxicfume: you just need to enable the restricted repository. it's not difficult. You can either do so using synaptic or by editing a file called /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:04] <anathema> WOO got skype working using arts
[09:04] <tck_> anathema, the linux version isn't has as good
[09:04] <toxicfume> HappyFool: how exactly do i do that? what do i edit in there?
[09:04] <tck_> s/has/half
[09:05] <HappyFool> toxicfume: edit the file by typing 'sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list'
[09:05] <toxicfume> HappyFool: did that, then?
[09:05] <HappyFool> toxicfume: you should see a line something like this: # deb http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[09:05] <HappyFool> toxicfume: remove the '#' at the beginning of the line (it indicates a comment)
[09:06] <toxicfume> HappyFool: alright, i'm familiar with the # commenting :P I'll remove them
[09:06] <HappyFool> toxicfume: then save the file, exit gedit, and type 'sudo apt-get update'
[09:06] <HappyFool> toxicfume: and finally, retry that install command
[09:06] <toxicfume> HappyFool: do i only uncomment the hoary-security main restricted url? or the rest too?
[09:06] <Rev_Fry> I've tried shutting down powernowd and so far it's working.
[09:06] <HappyFool> toxicfume: that's up to you
[09:07] <HappyFool> toxicfume: i recommend uncommenting hoary-security and hoary-updates as well
[09:07] <HappyFool> toxicfume: i cannot recall if there are entries for universe and multiverse as well; if so, you can uncomment them too, but that's not terribly relevant now
[09:09] <dimeo> whats the "equivalent" folder for "program files" in ubuntu?
[09:09] <toxicfume> HappyFool: alright thanks :) i'm trying that now
[09:10] <dimeo> I'm being asked to specify a helper application
[09:10] <HappyFool> dimeo: program executables are in /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin and /usr/sbin
[09:10] <HappyFool> dimeo: i'd look in /usr/bin
[09:11] <toxicfume> HappyFool: it can't seem to connect to the urls :S internet problem? i just connected the laptop via a cat5 wire to this pc
[09:12] <HappyFool> toxicfume: try to browse the url with a web-browswer
[09:12] <HappyFool> toxicfume: what url is it set to ? something other than archive.ubuntu.com or security.ubuntu.com ?
[09:12] <dabaSlon> toxicfume: can you surf?
[09:13] <dabaSlon> are you on the computer?
[09:13] <toxicfume> HappyFool: it's security.ubuntu.com and th.archive.ubuntu.com
[09:13] <dabaSlon> I guess not,...
[09:13] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: i'm on the computer to which the laptop(running ubuntu right now) is connected to
[09:13] <HappyFool> toxicfume: if the th.archive.ubuntu.com url doesn't work (i.e., you cannot even connect to it with a browser), change it to archive.ubuntu.com
[09:13] <toxicfume> HappyFool: okay, thansk
[09:14] <HappyFool> toxicfume: however, you will need some sort of internet connection for your laptop for this to work
[09:14] <toxicfume> HappyFool: I do
[09:14] <lightboy> can n e one with some fat and ntfs drives gimme a readout of their fstab and mtab files
[09:14] <toxicfume> HappyFool: how do i ensure it works though?
[09:14] <dabaSlon> toxicfume: ping something from the laptop.
[09:14] <HappyFool> toxicfume: well, testing it is easy enough: just point your browser (on your ubuntu system, obviously) at www.google.com
[09:15] <HappyFool> if that works, point the browser at th.archive.ubuntu.com
[09:15] <dabaSlon> HappyFool: he does not have x, that is what hje is working on now.
[09:15] <HappyFool> ah
[09:15] <dabaSlon> ping google.com, tho
[09:15] <Fator_Dee> then ping www.google.com
[09:15] <dabaSlon> right:)
[09:15] <HappyFool> ok, try wget http://www.google.com, or ping
[09:15] <dimeo> sweet! got it working.  no I'm listening to shoutcast on xmms!
[09:15] <toxicfume> i tried ping www.yahoo.com and it said unknown host :/
[09:15] <dabaSlon> dimeo, excellent:)
[09:15] <hybrid> HappyFool: wget google?
[09:15] <dabaSlon> ok, you are not connected.
[09:15] <hybrid> HappyFool: what would wget do
[09:15] <HappyFool> hybrid: wget is a command line http client
[09:15] <dabaSlon> toxicfume: wired internet?
[09:16] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: yes
[09:16] <Shuddertrix> wget would download the index.html for google if you did wget google.com
[09:16] <dimeo> playing DVD's, Divx, wifi too.   so far so good
[09:16] <dabaSlon> toxicfume: router?
[09:16] <toxicfume> i just tried wget www.google.com and it couldn't resolve www.google.com
[09:16] <HappyFool> toxicfume: yes, there is a problem with your internet connection
[09:16] <dabaSlon> yeah, youre not connected. Ill get yo online, I think.
[09:16] <darkaudit> anyone know if The Sims Online works with wine?
[09:16] <Shuddertrix> darkaudit: It might with cedega
[09:16] <dabaSlon> darkaudit: try searching for a list, there should be one...
[09:16] <hybrid> HappyFool: yea but are you goin to get a file from google
[09:16] <hybrid> Shuddertrix: ah
[09:17] <dabaSlon> hey, Shuddertrix.
[09:17] <toxicfume> ah damn :(
[09:17] <dabaSlon> toxicfume: router?
[09:17] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: i would appreciate that :)
[09:17] <dabaSlon> connected wired to a router?
[09:17] <neofax> Hello everyone!
[09:17] <dabaSlon> heyhey,.
[09:17] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: it connected to a windows desktop(this one i'm irc'ing from) via the lan cable..
[09:17] <toxicfume> and this desktop isconncetde to a usual usb adsl modem
[09:18] <Shuddertrix> Apparently, no one has rated it's playability on the Transgaming DB.
[09:18] <dabaSlon> ok, and the windows one has two NICs?
[09:18] <toxicfume> but i've isntalled ubuntu on a nother laptop before withthe samenetwork configuration..and ubuntu could access the internet easily
[09:18] <dtygel> hi everybody :)
[09:18] <neofax> toxicfume: Do you have ICS running properly on the Windows system?
[09:18] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: one nick..cause the router is acutally a usb modem, not a router
[09:18] <toxicfume> neofax: yup
[09:18] <neofax> OK, try running sudo ifconfig
[09:19] <dtygel> can someone give me some hints on how to configure sound? I suddenly stopped to hear anything in ubuntu, one week ago...
[09:19] <dabaSlon> toxicfume: ah...and you have internet connection sharing enabled on windows?
[09:19] <toxicfume> neofax: okay
[09:19] <neofax> Let us know the first three octets of your IP
[09:19] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: yup sharing is enabled
[09:19] <neofax> Such as 192.168.0.???
[09:19] <toxicfume> neofax: the laptop's ip?
[09:19] <toxicfume> yes it's 192.168.0.*
[09:19] <neofax> Yes, the one that cannot connect
[09:19] <darkaudit> well... the setup's working :)
[09:20] <dabaSlon> can you ping the windows machine from Ubuntu, and is it a crossover cable?
[09:20] <toxicfume> i guess it's DNS problem?
[09:20] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: yes it's a crossover cable
[09:20] <neofax> OK, at least we know you have a internal IP.  Did you manually set that up in UBUNTU?
[09:20] <dabaSlon> darkaudit: youre good, installed cedega?
[09:20] <toxicfume> let me try
[09:20] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: yes i can ping the windows machine fine
[09:20] <jeff25> dabaSlon: why does it matter if it's a cross over cable?
[09:21] <dabaSlon> great, I think you should  get the files on this computer, and move them over to that one.
[09:21] <toxicfume> neofax: no, it was assigned by DHCP i think
[09:21] <dabaSlon> Ill get you the list of the files that install with that binary.
[09:21] <dabaSlon> unless anyone has a better idea.
[09:21] <neofax> Because a normalcable does not switch the first and the eighth cable so they cannot connect
[09:21] <dabaSlon> jeff25: I dont think it works otherwise.
[09:21] <toxicfum1> sorry got disconnected
[09:21] <dabaSlon> thats fine.
[09:22] <toxicfum1> actually no, the ping didn't work :S
[09:22] <toxicfum1> it said the host is unreachable
[09:22] <dabaSlon> so you cant see the windows machine?
[09:22] <toxicfum1> i read wrong
[09:22] <neofax> toxicfume:  Do you still have that ifconfig you ran?  If so, what is the default gateway?
[09:22] <phanter> hello. I just made did a "sudo usermod -Gbin patrick". Now i cannot do sudo anymore... and no sound and ... Why is that wrong and how can I fix it ?
[09:23] <toxicfum1> neofax: i don't see "default gateway" anywhere in the ifconfig command's results
[09:23] <HappyFool> phanter: according to 'man usermod', -G removes the user from any groups not listed
[09:24] <HappyFool> phanter: and your user needs to be in the 'admin' group to be able to sudo
[09:24] <dtygel> people: can anyone help me with sound problems?
[09:24] <toxicfum1> neofax: how do i set the gateway?
[09:24] <neofax> toxicfume: Sorry, try sudo route
[09:24] <dabaSlon> toxicfum1: you can type in sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces
[09:24] <darkaudit> dabaSlon: no cedega... latest wine from sourceforge repos
[09:24] <dabaSlon> that will open a file.
[09:24] <dabaSlon> darkaudit: oh, ok...
[09:25] <HappyFool> phanter: i think the easiest thing for you to do would be to reboot in rescue mode, do something like 'usermod -G bin,admin,<other groups> patrick', and then reboot into normal mode
[09:25] <toxicfum1> neofax: okay i typed it and got a result
[09:25] <toxicfum1> defaukt gateway is 192.168.0.1 which is correct
[09:25] <darkaudit> dabaSlon: and it's only the downloader... I'll know about the *good* stuff in an hour
[09:25] <toxicfum1> dabaSlon: okay let me check that
[09:25] <phanter> HappyFool: oke, I did not read the man page propperly (f*ck me indeed), but how can I get my rights back?
[09:25] <dabaSlon> 192,168.0.1 is this computer?
[09:25] <toxicfum1> yes
[09:25] <HappyFool> phanter: see my comments on rebooting into rescue mode
[09:26] <neofax> toxicume:  OK, so your IP on the windows machine is 192.168.0.1?
[09:26] <HappyFool> phanter: your user ('patrick') can no longer sudo
[09:26] <toxicfum1> neofax: that's right
[09:26] <toxicfum1> and this computer accesses the internet directly
[09:26] <dabaSlon> put as the gateway the IP that interfaces the internet...
[09:26] <dabaSlon> the other IP this computer has.
[09:27] <dabaSlon> maybe, but I wouldnt even worry about that, myself, I would just get the files you need for the x, then take it from there, once you are in a gui.
[09:27] <Feanor-> Hmm, anyone know what is wrong when I get these errors in Rhythmbox? Could not open resource for writing. and Could not pause playback
[09:27] <phanter> HappyFool: Is there a way to find out what groups I was a member of before ???
[09:27] <toxicfum1> dabaSlon: what do you mean? change the gateway address?
[09:27] <Seveas>  Feanor- teach rhythmbox to use esd
[09:27] <HappyFool> phanter: i'll tell you what groups my user is a member of. standby
[09:27] <Feanor-> How? Oo
[09:27] <Seveas> it probably wants to use /dev/dsp directly
[09:27] <dabaSlon> in that file, you opened with gedit, there should be a gateway entry is there?
[09:27] <neofax> toxicfume: OK, so your Win system is 192.168.0.1 and your ubuntu system is 192.168.0.2(let's assume).  Your default gateway should be 192.168.0.1 as it has the internet connection
[09:27] <toxicfum1> dabaSlon: let me look
[09:27] <Seveas> Feanor-, check r-b's preferences
[09:28] <dabaSlon> neofax, it never worked here...
[09:28] <dabaSlon> did you ever get that to work?
[09:28] <neofax> Now try pinging 192.168.0.1
[09:28] <dtygel> I used to have sound working normally until last week. It suddenly stopped to work. No sounds at all. I've tested in windows, and the sounds are normal, so it must be some misconfiguration in ubuntu. Can anyone give me a help there?
[09:28] <HappyFool> phanter: it's quite a list: adm, cdrom, floppy, audio, dip, video, plugdev, lpadmin, scanner, admin
[09:28] <toxicfum1> dabaSlon: i can't open that file..says "Gtk-Warning **: cannot open display: "
[09:28] <HappyFool> phanter: there's also a group for your user, i.e., group patrick, which your user should be a member of
[09:28] <toxicfum1> neofax: okay
[09:29] <Seveas> toxicfum1, you cannot run GUI apps as root
[09:29] <Seveas> use sudi
[09:29] <toxicfum1> neofax: it says destination host unreachable
[09:29] <Seveas> sudo*
[09:29] <phanter> HappyFool: thanks ... you where a great help !!!
[09:29] <HappyFool> phanter: np
[09:29] <dabaSlon> haha, sorry, toxic, I am a mioron...
[09:29] <toxicfum1> Seveas: my GUI isn't working( going to fix that after i can get the internet working)
[09:29] <HappyFool> phanter: the main thing is to add your user to admin; once you've rebooted, you can use sudo to fix everything else
[09:30] <neofax> OK, are you sure that the crossover cableisgood?
[09:30] <dabaSlon> you cant open gedit whenm you arent in x...use another editor, if you want to, follow neofax for a few, I am gonna get you the packages you need for xorg.
[09:30] <HappyFool> phanter: that is, rebooted back into normal mode
[09:30] <phanter> an other question. Why is my laptop not asking for a root password when booting in rescue mode? For security reasons I do not like that idea!
[09:30] <toxicfum1> neofax: prettysure it is..it was working fine when i botoed the laptop into windows..and since then i restarted into ubuntu andhaven't removed the cable
[09:30] <HappyFool> phanter: that is standard
[09:30] <HappyFool> phanter: you can set a grub password, i believe
[09:31] <neofax> OK, try doing the following pico /etc/hosts
[09:31] <toxicfum1> dabaSlon: okay, let me know if i should try nano in that case :)
[09:31] <toxicfum1> neofax: okay
[09:31] <HappyFool> phanter: and you'll need to set a bios password, and ensure good physical security for your computer
[09:31] <toxicfum1> neofax: then?
[09:31] <neofax> Or sudo nano /etc/hosts
[09:31] <toxicfum1> oaky did it
[09:31] <dabaSlon> toxicfum1: is it a pentium type of deal?
[09:31] <Feanor-> Seveas,  can't find preferences in r-b it self, where is it?
[09:32] <dabaSlon> your computer...
[09:32] <toxicfum1> dabaSlon: it's a pentium M laptop if thats what you mean
[09:32] <neofax> Add the 192.168.0.1 into your /etc/hosts file
[09:32] <Feanor-> nvm
[09:32] <HappyFool> phanter: see this for more info on securing your machine: http://ubuntuguide.org/#disableinteractiveeditinggrub
[09:32] <toxicfum1> neofax: what name should i give next to it?
[09:32] <Feanor-> Does anyone know why I can't get any sound with any of the music apps?
[09:33] <dtygel> :( no sound.... no help?
[09:33] <neofax> What is the name of the Win machine?
[09:33] <HappyFool> dtygel: what did you change on your system ?
[09:33] <dtygel> happyfool: upgraded to hoary
[09:33] <phanter> thanks again !!!
[09:33] <dtygel> happyfool: as far as I know, this was the only major change...
[09:33] <HappyFool> dtygel: so sound has never worked in hoary ?
[09:33] <Feanor-> Everyone seems to be working okay, but it doesn't make any sound.
[09:34] <Seveas> Feanor-, did you perhaps disable "Enable sound server startup" in system->preferences->sound??
[09:34] <HappyFool> dtygel: that counts as a major change ;)
[09:34] <toxicfum1> neofax: it's LAXO
[09:34] <dtygel> heppyfool: that's it. It worked fine in warty...
[09:34] <neofax> OK, use that as the name
[09:34] <Feanor-> nope Seveas , it's turned on
[09:34] <dtygel> happyfool: I typed this commands: aplay -l and lspci,
[09:34] <toxicfum1> neofax: okay, close the file now?
[09:34] <dtygel> and everything seems to be fine...
[09:35] <maxy_noob> Hi guys! A good notifier for gmail?
[09:35] <HappyFool> dtygel: have you checked whether the devices are muted ?
[09:35] <neofax> Close the file then do sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[09:35] <Seveas> Feanor-, do you get sounds when previewing (in system -> preferences -> sounds)?
[09:35] <dimeo> Sound Problems?  for some games i needed to type killall esd
[09:35] <Feanor-> no
[09:35] <toxicfum1> neofax: okay, it's done
[09:36] <Seveas> Feanor-, is the volume muted? appplications->sound & video->volume control?
[09:36] <neofax> Now try pinging 192.168.0.1
[09:36] <dimeo> and in XMMS I needed to choose a different output driver
[09:36] <dtygel> happyfool: Yes, I've unchecked all the "mute" or "silence" in the sounds panel.
[09:36] <HappyFool> dtygel: hmm
[09:36] <toxicfum1> neofax: it says "Connect: Network is unreachable" :(
[09:36] <Feanor-> nope
[09:36] <dtygel> happyfool: let me check again...
[09:36] <Feanor-> not muted
[09:36] <vince_> can anyone tell me what viruses clamav guards against - linux-specific or windows-specific (or both)? thanks!
[09:37] <Seveas> Feanor-, does the command: pgrep esd say something?
[09:37] <Seveas> vince_, both.
[09:37] <dimeo> Hey whats the best "ghost" program to mirror my HD into a backup
[09:37] <Seveas> dimeo, dd
[09:37] <Feanor-> no
[09:37] <toxicfum1> neofax: I think it's cause i removed the cable and put it back in..do i have to restart now?
[09:37] <Feanor-> says nothing
[09:37] <vince_> seveas - thanls
[09:37] <crimmy> dtygel: Sound problems? Paste your amixer output to http://pastebin.com
[09:37] <Seveas> Feanor-, your esd seams to be not running
[09:37] <Seveas> in a terminal type: esd
[09:37] <Feanor-> okey
[09:37] <Seveas> and see what happens when trying to play sound
[09:37] <Feanor-> /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[09:37] <Feanor-> this is what it says
[09:37] <Seveas> ahhhh!
[09:38] <Seveas> something else is hogging your sound driver
[09:38] <vince_> seveas, do you know of a gui front-end? sorry to be asking such lame questions...
[09:38] <dabaSlon> toxicfum1: you shouldnt have to.
[09:38] <dtygel> crimmy: thanks...
[09:38] <Feanor-> ahh okey
[09:38] <Feanor-> can i find out what it is and how to turn it off? :p
[09:38] <Seveas> vince_, there are, but i don't use clamav so i cannot tell...
[09:38] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: oh okay
[09:38] <crimmy> Feanor-: lsof /dev/dsp*
[09:38] <vince_> seveas, thanks anyway
[09:38] <dabaSlon> crimmy:)
[09:38] <Seveas> Feanor-, try: lsof | grep /dev/dsp
[09:38] <neofax> No, you need to do sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[09:38] <toxicfume> when i type ifconfig now..it looks like my eth0 port isn't shown anymore :(
[09:38] <Seveas> the | is a pipe symbol, usually lodated near <enter>
[09:39] <nalioth> dabaSlon: if you don't have a pile of half-terabyte HDs layin around, i would like to borrow your "advance model for testin" PS3 if you don't mind
[09:39] <Feanor-> okey did that
[09:39] <Hajuu> hey
[09:39] <Feanor-> got:
[09:39] <Feanor-> COMMAND     PID  USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME
[09:39] <Feanor-> beep-medi 10293 helgi    9w   CHR   14,3      7997 /dev/dsp
[09:39] <Hajuu> uhm
[09:39] <crimmy> Feanor-: b-m-p is using the oss output, then. You need to change it to use esound.
[09:39] <dabaSlon> ok, well, sudo ifdown eth0 toxicfume
[09:39] <toxicfume> neofax: okay i did that already
[09:39] <Seveas> Feanor-, beep is hogging your soud, you can teach it to learn esd instead
[09:39] <neofax> toxicfume: That is because you unplugged the cable.  Plug it back in and restart networking.
[09:39] <dtygel> crimmy: I sent it to that site.
[09:39] <jasmuz> Feanor-: kill the beep media player
[09:39] <Seveas> Feanor-, open ~/.bmp/config
[09:39] <dtygel> crimmy: have you got it.
[09:39] <dabaSlon> then, also, sudo ifup eth0
[09:39] <dtygel> ?
[09:39] <dabaSlon> you ahve to give us the URL.
[09:39] <HappyFool> dtygel: you need to give us an url
[09:39] <Seveas> Feanor-, and search a line that starts with output_plugin
[09:39] <crimmy> Feanor-: change it in the sound preferences, then close b-m-p, then execute esd as Seveas suggested, then restart it.
[09:40] <neofax> toxicfume: And that is when it said network unreachable?
[09:40] <toxicfume> neofax: already restarted
[09:40] <Seveas> Feanor-, it should look like:
[09:40] <HappyFool> dtygel: the one in the address bar after you submitted the text
[09:40] <Feanor-> in terminal?
[09:40] <toxicfume> neofax: yes it said network unreachable after that command
[09:40] <crimmy> dtygel: looking
[09:40] <Seveas> output_plugin=/usr/lib/bmp/Output/libesdout.so
[09:40] <Seveas> Feanor-, any editor will do
[09:40] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: it says interface eth0 not configured
[09:40] <Hajuu> I just "apt-get"'ed the unrar package... But any rar archive I try to extract, fails to extract every file... its really annoying me.. Anyone know what could be causing this, or know of an alternative archiving program?
[09:40] <Seveas> Hajuu, use unrar-nonfree
[09:40] <dtygel> crimmy and happyfool: problem solved!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:40] <crimmy> Hajuu: from multiverse
[09:40] <HappyFool> howso ?
[09:41] <nekrataal> hi
[09:41] <dtygel> happyfool and crimmy: I think that in hoary it detected 2 soundcards
[09:41] <nekrataal> how do i create a user to access mysql database?
[09:41] <dtygel> happyfool and crimmy: and it decided for the alsa card...
[09:41] <Hajuu> E: Package unrar-nonfree has no installation candidate
[09:41] <nickrud> Hajuu you want rar-unfree in multiverse
[09:41] <toxicfume> neofax?
[09:41] <nekrataal> i want to use mythtv but i dont know how to configure it...
[09:41] <dtygel> happyfool and crimmy: I've just changed to the other card... and it worked... is it perhaps a bug in hoary???
[09:41] <Daylighthater> K I got gnome runnign
[09:42] <neofax> toxicfume: The reason you cannot get an IP is because the laptop cannot see the Win system.
[09:42] <crimmy> dtygel: cat /proc/asound/cards
[09:42] <HappyFool> dtygel: this is a bit over my head, sorry
[09:42] <dabaSlon> neofax: it may be so...
[09:42] <nickrud> Hajuu http://pastebin.com/290425, use that as your sources.list, you'll be good to go
[09:42] <Daylighthater> but problem is... it's one row up screen :s
[09:42] <dabaSlon> it works, right??
[09:42] <toxicfume> neofax: thats werd :/ windows xp on the laptop can see theWin system fine
[09:42] <LinuxJones> nekrataal, >> http://www.cs.rit.edu/~css8044/?q=mythtv
[09:42] <neofax> toxicfume: When we put the 192.168.0.1 in /etc/hosts that should have forced that system to be recognized.
[09:43] <dabaSlon> nickrud: what kinda sloppy pastebin is taht?
[09:43] <nickrud> sh*t
[09:43] <dtygel> crimmy: the result of the command you suggested is: dtygel@fbes1:~ $ cat /proc/asound/cards
[09:43] <dtygel> 0 [I82801BAICH2   ] : ICH - Intel 82801BA-ICH2
[09:43] <dtygel>                      Intel 82801BA-ICH2 with ALC200/200P at 0xb800, irq 11
[09:43] <anathema> god this is frustratin! trying to get ut2004 to play nice wiht alsa...impossible!
[09:43] <Hajuu> restricted univhttp ://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=290397erse multiverse ?
[09:43] <dabaSlon> toxicfume: I would move over the files, do you ahve a fway to do that?
[09:43] <Hajuu> :/
[09:43] <anathema> to play an mp3 etc and still have ut2004 sounds
[09:43] <nickrud> Hajuu: I grabbed my sample badone:
[09:43] <anathema> bug
[09:43] <BurgerMann> Hi. Does anyone know if there's any easy when to install Apache with both MySQL and PHP support?
[09:43] <dtygel> happyfool: it is also totally weird for me too ;)
[09:43] <toxicfume> dabaSlon and neofax: I guess i will just reinstall ubuntu
[09:44] <nekrataal> but i want to use Mythgame
[09:44] <neofax> toxicfume: The ICS service in WinXP creates a very basic router/NAT/DHCP on your system.  The problem with that is you cannot tell what is not working.
[09:44] <dabaSlon> toxicfume: dont, nothing will change
[09:44] <nekrataal> a module for mythtv
[09:44] <nekrataal> but i dont know how
[09:44] <dabaSlon> toxicfume: I suggest you get those files I sent you, and finish with the binary driver installation for now.
[09:44] <nekrataal> i installed it but i dont know how to use it, or even how to use mythtv
[09:44] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: when i isntalled, i tried choosing the wireless network during setup, this time i'll try the ethernet
[09:44] <HappyFool> BurgerMann: i'm not sure, but i imagine you can use synaptic to install all of those
[09:44] <neofax> toxicfume: Don't asdabSlon said, it has to do with the Win side of things.
[09:44] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: i don't know how toget the files here :S
[09:44] <Hajuu> What server do I want?
[09:44] <MrNonchalant> Could anyone help me set up vncserver and vnc-java?
[09:44] <dtygel> crimmy and happyfool: in "volume control" there are two devices: alsa mixer and oss mixer. Alsa mixer works fine, and oss mixer doesnn't work. I've got no idea of the reasons for that....
[09:44] <dabaSlon> toxicfume: well, sure, you can do that, keep those file...
[09:45] <nnnnnn> hi
[09:45] <dabaSlon> toxicfume: do you ahve those two files?
[09:45] <nnnnnn> how do i install java 1.4 for ubuntu horay
[09:45] <nnnnnn> ?
[09:45] <BurgerMann> HappyFool, yah, already did, but can't MySQL isn't avaible in PHP
[09:45] <toxicfume> neofax: acutally, i think ubuntu can't see my ethernet port anymore :S
[09:45] <neofax> toxicfume: That pentium M laptop, is it a centrino?
[09:45] <Seveas> nnnnnn: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[09:45] <toxicfume> neofax: yes
[09:45] <crimmy> dtygel: that's your onboard
[09:45] <dabaSlon> ubuntu horray!
[09:45] <nickrud> http://pastebin.com/291396 Hajuu use that
[09:45] <crimmy> dtygel: what other sound chipset do you have?
[09:45] <nnnnnn> oh
[09:45] <eyequeue> BurgerMann:  tnstall as usual, then use synaptic or aptitude to browse for the mysql-server and php packages you desire
[09:45] <dtygel> burgermann: I had dificult times trying to install both apache and mysql in ubuntu. In the end, I decided to simply install xampp, since it's very very easy to install and is suited for me: I'm using it only for testing...
[09:46] <HappyFool> BurgerMann: how about php4-mysql ?
[09:46] <BurgerMann> eyequeue, I'll try
[09:46] <MrNonchalant> Could anyone help me set up vncserver and vnc-java?
[09:46] <BurgerMann> HappyFool, I'll try =P
[09:46] <dabaSlon> nickrud: yeah, taht was totally slppy:)
[09:46] <eyequeue> BurgerMann:  have you dine the initial install yet?
[09:46] <neofax> Is the wireless builtin?  If so, what chipset is it using?
[09:46] <eyequeue> done
[09:46] <nickrud> dabaSlon it was a joke ;)
[09:46] <HappyFool> BurgerMann: note that that's in universe
[09:46] <toxicfume> neofax: yes it's builtin, it's intel pro wireless 2200 B/g
[09:46] <neofax> Also, do you have a wireless Access Point?
[09:46] <nickrud> dabaSlon but it's history, can't have that happening again
[09:47] <toxicfume> neofax: yup, it wors fine when i boot into windows
[09:47] <dabaSlon> yeah yeah, you are becoming sloppy, nickrud, one of these days, Ill come up with a better sources.list than you...
[09:47] <dabaSlon> :_
[09:47] <eyequeue> BurgerMann:  you may be looking for
[09:47] <eyequeue> BurgerMann:  you may be looking for php4-mysql - MySQL module for php4
[09:47] <nekrataal> ???
[09:47] <neofax> Does the Access point have a router builtinto it?
[09:47] <nekrataal> anyone knows how to use mythgame?
[09:47] <nickrud> dabaSlon :)
[09:47] <MrNonchalant> Could anyone help me set up vncserver and vnc-java?
[09:47] <toxicfume> neofax: yup, it's a 3Com wireless router
[09:48] <BurgerMann> I believe I've already tried installing it.. but I can't see anything since it's currently updating :S
[09:48] <toxicfume> for some reasons it didn't work when i selected the wireless connection during setup
[09:48] <neofax> Why don't you just plug the laptop into that to get a IP?
[09:48] <neofax> But first, do not use that crossover cable.
[09:48] <dtygel> crimmy: I don't have any other (i thought so). In devices menu in volume control, there are the following options: "realtek ALC200/200P (oss mixer)" and "intel  82801BA-ICH (Alsa Mixer)"
[09:48] <toxicfume> neofax: it's not in my house, shared it with my friend besides
[09:49] <neofax> Oh, OK.  Does ubuntu recognize the wireless NIC?
[09:49] <toxicfume> neofax: i am not sure, but i guess it does
[09:49] <toxicfume> itshows something when i type iwconfig
[09:49] <crimmy> dtygel: you only have one card
[09:49] <dabaSlon> ha
[09:49] <neofax> Well, do a iwconfigand it should give you a IP.
[09:49] <dtygel> Burgermann: suggestion: simply install xampp in apachefriends.org . It works fine, with no hassle.
[09:50] <toxicfume> neofax: it doesn't gice any ip..and ESSID says off/any
[09:50] <crimmy> dtygel: the reason you have two mixer selections in volume control is because by default, ubuntu uses alsa's oss emulation for esund
[09:50] <crimmy> esound^
[09:50] <neofax> It should be like wlan0.
[09:50] <toxicfume> neofax: i think the problem is the physical kill siwtch...which is turned off ( and won'tturn on even if i press it)
[09:50] <BurgerMann> dtygel, thx for the tip :)
[09:50] <neofax> OK, isthe Access point in managed or Ad-Hoc mode?
[09:50] <toxicfume> neofax: managed
[09:50] <dtygel> crimmy: ok, I see... well, thank you very much for the help! Now I can work with some music in background...
[09:50] <hybrid> how do you acces the ubuntu firewall?
[09:50] <neofax> What channel is it on?
[09:50] <toxicfume> neofax: 11
[09:51] <dtygel> burgermann: you're welcome.
[09:51] <neofax> Do you have WEP enabled and if so is it 64 or 128?
[09:51] <dtygel> Folks: Bye! Thanks for the help!
[09:51] <crimmy> hybrid: there is none by default, because no daemons listen on external interface(s)
[09:51] <MrNonchalant> hybrid: Ubuntu doesn't have a firewall by default
[09:51] <moqui> Ubuntu rules!
[09:51] <toxicfume> neofax: nope WEP is disabled
[09:51] <hybrid> ok ty
[09:52] <dabaSlon> Ubuntu Horray!
[09:52] <MrNonchalant> hybrid: Ubuntu doesn't have a firewall by default
[09:52] <neofax> You should have a file that allows you to input all of these and the wireless connection should come up.  Let me look for the file.
[09:52] <toxicfume> neofax: alright, thanks a lot :)
[09:52] <MrNonchalant> Could anyone help me set up vncserver and vnc-java?
[09:53] <crimmy> MrNonchalant: on a Hoary box?
[09:53] <dabaSlon> crimmy: how come every few days I bork my sound?
[09:53] <neofax> toxicfume: It is located in /etc/wlan
[09:53] <MrNonchalant> crimmy: yep
[09:53] <crimmy> dabaSlon: I can't possibly answer that question...
[09:53] <crimmy> MrNonchalant: are you using gnome?
[09:53] <MrNonchalant> crimmy: yes
[09:53] <dabaSlon> crimmy: do you have any idea what I should stop doing?
[09:53] <dabaSlon> I mean, I swear, I ruin my sound every few days.
[09:53] <Seveas> dabaSlon, you should stop f**ing it up :)
[09:53] <crimmy> dabaSlon: is it the same problem as before (with mixxx)?
[09:53] <Enkidu> how do you make a new initrd.img? the kernel guide doesn't say how to but it is necesary to use the new kernel
[09:53] <neofax> toxicfume: You should have a wlancfg-DEFAULT and  from that you can create a wlancfg-ATHENEOS(which is my ESSID).
[09:54] <dabaSlon> I dont even kno, Ill tell you in a few.
[09:54] <crimmy> MrNonchalant: hoary includes a vnc server installed by default. All you need to do is enable it in System>Preferences>Remote Desktop
[09:54] <neofax> toxicfume: Just do a sudo cp wlancfg-DEFAULT wlancfg-ESSID
[09:54] <toxicfume> neofax: where? :S
[09:54] <crimmy> MrNonchalant: then you can just install a vnc viewer on another machine and access your Hoary box
[09:54] <toxicfume> neofax: which dir?
[09:54] <sebastian> does someone know if there is a program for unraring .rar archives other than "unrar"?
[09:54] <dabaSlon> I screwed up my mixer it seems, lets see if it works:)
[09:54] <Hajuu> lol
[09:54] <Hajuu> I asked that question like 5 mins ago
[09:54] <Seveas> sebastian, unrar-nonfree
[09:54] <crimmy> sebastian: unrar-nonfree in multiverse doesn't work?
[09:54] <dabaSlon> ya...:)
[09:55] <neofax> toxicfume: It should be located in /etc/wlan
[09:55] <Enkidu> sebastian; winrar ;)
[09:55] <eyequeue> crimmy:  i told you i'd get back to you if i determined what the issue was with alsamixer changing values.  as best i can figure, it was the result of changing names in kernel 2.6.12, and then reverting back to 2.6.10
[09:55] <toxicfume> neofax: there is no dir called wlan
[09:55] <sebastian> no, I need something to unrar .rar 3.0 files
[09:55] <penguinparty> winrar under wine? hehe
[09:55] <Seveas> sebastian, wine+winrar perhaps
[09:55] <neofax> toxicfume: then do a sudo nano /etc/wlan/wlancfg-ESSID and change the settings to match your setup.
[09:55] <yccheok_> hi, how can i check for my computer current IP address?
[09:55] <dabaSlon> I just wonder what I do to this machine all the time that I dont even know I do it...
[09:55] <crimmy> eyequeue: "changing names"?
[09:55] <Hajuu> i was actually going to do that haha
[09:55] <yccheok_> wat command i should use?
[09:55] <moqui> yccheok, /sbin/ifconfig
[09:55] <neofax> toxicfume: OK then just do a locate wlan
[09:56] <sebastian> mm, yea, I'll try that, thanks
[09:56] <Hajuu> that was my last resort as to getting rars unarchived
[09:56] <eyequeue> seb128:  i thought the non-free one handled 3.0
[09:56] <xenobytes> Has anyone in here solved the mplayer / libdvdcss problem in Ubuntu?
[09:56] <xenobytes> I can't get Xine to read DVDs even with the lib
[09:56] <toxicfume> neofax: did that, there is no entry in /etc/
[09:56] <dabaSlon> yccheok: ifconfig
[09:56] <xenobytes> I've reinstalled it, Mplayer seems to be able to read it---but dies when it tries to load the sound module.
[09:56] <crimmy> eyequeue: it does. (And you might want to tell seb that you mis'tabbed him)
[09:56] <dabaSlon> sorry, moqui:)
[09:56] <moqui> xenobytes, check drive location in setup
[09:56] <moqui> dabaSlon, sorry for what?
[09:56] <yccheok_> thanks.
[09:57] <toxicfume> neofax?
[09:57] <dabaSlon> nothinhg:)
[09:57] <xenobytes> moqui, no, it's finding that--It sees the DVD title.
[09:57] <eyequeue> crimmy:  i'd have to reboot to get the exact terminology, but apparently the "external amplifier" (or something else i don't have on this laptop) no longer has the same label?  it's something sensed on boot
[09:57] <neofax> toxicfume: Did you do a locate wlan?
[09:57] <toxicfume> neofax: yes i did
[09:57] <dabaSlon> penguinparty: sound works?
[09:57] <neofax> toxicfume: Ifso, do you have any entries?
[09:57] <Daylighthater> K I've got two little problems with my GNome
[09:58] <Daylighthater> :s
[09:58] <toxicfume> neofax: there's a list
[09:58] <eyequeue> seb128:  oops, ignore that :)
[09:58] <penguinparty> dabaSlon: nope no sound
[09:58] <Daylighthater> first the easy one
[09:58] <Daylighthater> :d
[09:58] <toxicfume> neofax: i mentioned, there s no entry in /etc/
[09:58] <dabaSlon> :(
[09:58] <crimmy> eyequeue: it changed in 1.0.9rc, yes
[09:58] <neofax> toxicfume: Do you have any that say wlancfg?
[09:58] <toxicfume> neofax: nope, not at all
[09:58] <Daylighthater> Problem 1: I'v lost the menu's in the panel above, how do I get them back??
[09:58] <eyequeue> crimmy:  okay, as best i can figure, that was the issue here
[09:58] <moqui> xenobytes, and you say you have libdvdcss?
[09:58] <penguinparty> dabaSlon: tried with 2.6.11 and 2.6.10 and both with the rc4a alsa stuff . . . cant get this thing working
[09:58] <xenobytes> VDecoder init failed :(
[09:58] <toxicfume> :(
[09:59] <Daylighthater> Problem 2: My Gnome is one row up screen, can I adapt this in my xorg.conf?
[09:59] <crimmy> eyequeue: that simply implies that the card definition needs to be updated in alsa-lib
[09:59] <xenobytes> moqui, yes, but I'm looking through the mplayer error output and I have: VDecoder init failed :(
[09:59] <nickrud> Daylighthater the whole panel, or just the app place system menu
[09:59] <penguinparty> dabaSlon: works great with the ubuntu live cds both 4.10 and 5.04
[09:59] <crimmy> eyequeue: ideally, alsa-lib and alsa-driver versions should match
[09:59] <Daylighthater> app place menu
[09:59] <dabaSlon> Daylighthater: 1) right click on the panel, add to panel.
[09:59] <xenobytes> moqui,  and then "MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_audio" after it starts playback
[09:59] <eyequeue> crimmy:  i probably ran alsamixer under 2.6.12, wanting tosee if i could have sound, then found that i needed to do the same once i reverted to 2.6.10
[09:59] <jasmuz> bye people
[09:59] <dabaSlon> bye
[09:59] <jasmuz> /quit
[09:59] <neofax> toxicfume: I am looking for that package that has the wlancfg file
[10:00] <moqui> xenobytes, do you have any other app running, like xmms that is using Audio or Video?
[10:00] <Enkidu> does anyone know how to make an initrd.img?
[10:00] <idle-> How can I disable hotplug subsystem ?
[10:00] <Daylighthater> ok
[10:00] <xenobytes> moqui
[10:00] <toxicfume> neofax: alright, and my laptop just shut down, batter was over, plugging in ac now
[10:00] <nickrud> Daylighthater add main menu
[10:00] <crimmy> Enkidu: use mkinitrd
[10:00] <xenobytes> moqui, yes.
[10:00] <xenobytes> I'll give that a shot....
[10:00] <eyequeue> crimmy:  i've tried to reproduce the issue here with reboots to/from, but as long as i don't modify alsamixer, nothing is changed once i revert
[10:00] <moqui> well make sure to close those apps and only have either xine or mplayer running
[10:00] <xenobytes> not running those...
[10:01] <moqui> xenobytes, make sure to close those and only use one at a time
[10:01] <xenobytes> moqui,  same problem.
[10:01] <Daylighthater> k that's fixed now
[10:01] <Enkidu> crimmy, just do that on the source directory where i did make menuconfig?"
[10:01] <dabaSlon> xenobytes: is esound the ouptut plugin for mplayer?
[10:01] <moqui> xenobytes, have you googled this?
[10:01] <xenobytes> alsa.
[10:01] <Daylighthater> an my problem 2 is their a solution
[10:01] <Daylighthater> ??
[10:01] <dabaSlon> change it.
[10:01] <xenobytes> but I'm trying to specify oss.
[10:01] <dabaSlon> why?? try specifying esound.
[10:01] <moqui> xenobytes, have you reinstalled xine or mplayer?
[10:02] <xenobytes> moqui, yep
[10:02] <Daylighthater> the VerticaleAligne is one row up :s
[10:02] <dabaSlon> Daylighthater: I think we need more info, go again.
[10:02] <dabaSlon> good.
[10:02] <xenobytes> dabaSlon, Esound you say?
[10:02] <Enkidu> How would i change the color of the prompt so that when i sudo, root is red?
[10:02] <Daylighthater> can I edit this in my xorg.conf??
[10:02] <xenobytes> I don't think I even have it installed.
[10:02] <dabaSlon> yeah, well, that is the only thing that works here.
[10:02] <crimmy> Enkidu: you could; please see the man page. make-kpkg (from kernel-package) is easier.
[10:02] <Enkidu> crimmy ok thanks
[10:02] <dabaSlon> xenobytes: I dont get how ppl dont, I do:-/ I am new...
[10:03] <xenobytes> dabaSlon ... .holy shit..
[10:03] <mez> how do i install windows fonts
[10:03] <xenobytes> that worked.
[10:03] <mez> like Verdana etc
[10:03] <Daylighthater> dabaslon is it clear??
[10:03] <dabaSlon> xenobytes: excellent, sorry crimmy...
[10:03] <crimmy> mez: install msttcorefonts from multiverse
[10:03] <xenobytes> dabaSlon, only problem is that there's no sound....
[10:03] <Enkidu> crimmy, it says man page doesnt exist
[10:03] <dabaSlon> Daylighthater: I am not good with xorg.conf at all, I have an onboard...
[10:03] <xenobytes> dabaSlon, but... at least it plays.
[10:03] <dabaSlon> no sound???
[10:03] <dabaSlon> is there sound in other apps?
[10:04] <dabaSlon> did yuo killall esd?
[10:04] <eyequeue> Enkidu:  applications > system tools > root terminal
[10:04] <xenobytes> nope.
[10:04] <dabaSlon> open a term and type in esd.
[10:04] <xenobytes> dabaSlon, makes noise...
[10:04] <dabaSlon> k, try mplayer now
[10:04] <eyequeue> Enkidu:  then, edit > current profile > colors
[10:04] <Daylighthater> Can somebody tell me what I have to type in my xorg.conf at Section Monitor
[10:05] <dabaSlon> mez, several ways, you can copy the .ttf files into a folder...that works...
[10:05] <xenobytes> dabaSlon, nothing.
[10:05] <Daylighthater> for a screen with max resolution of 800*600
[10:05] <crimmy> Enkidu: you need th einitrd-tools package from main
[10:05] <neofax> toxicfume: The package is linux-wlan-ng
[10:05] <dabaSlon> I dont know which folder...
[10:05] <crimmy> Enkidu: the, rather
[10:05] <coco_> hello
[10:05] <dabaSlon> hey
[10:05] <RootsLINUX> Does ubuntu not define the $LD_LIBRARY_PATH envar by default?
[10:05] <dabaSlon> xenobytes: I didnt catch, so sound works in other apps...
[10:05] <toxicfume> neofax: but how do i get any package now that ubuntu can't connect anywhere :(
[10:05] <Hajuu> how do I use unrar-nonfree?
[10:05] <dabaSlon> I mean, if esd made a sound...you have to leave it running, did you?
[10:06] <coco_> How can I install the nvidia.com driver in ubuntu, I have to make a personal kernel like in debian ?
[10:06] <xenobytes> dabaSlon, sound is working fine in other apps (asla). the esd command makes noise.
[10:06] <crimmy> RootsLINUX: no, why should it?
[10:06] <eyequeue> Hajuu:  after installation, type "man unrar"
[10:06] <dabaSlon> toxicfume: welkl, you already have the ones you need fo the binary driver...
[10:06] <xenobytes> dabaSlon, I did.
[10:06] <Enkidu> crimmy, it says i already have initrd-tools
[10:06] <crimmy> coco_: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:06] <crimmy> Enkidu: man mkinitrd
[10:06] <eyequeue> Hajuu:  typically unrar foo.rar, iirc
[10:06] <coco_> crimmy, thanks mate
[10:06] <Enkidu> crimmy, ok that worked
[10:06] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: oh okay, then how do i isntall them?
[10:07] <RootsLINUX> crimmy, because I'm a developer :P
[10:07] <dabaSlon> put them on the ubuntu machine.
[10:07] <Seveas> coco_, the binary driver provided by ubuntu is the latest, you do NOT have to use things downloaded from nvidia.com
[10:07] <crimmy> RootsLINUX: ...and?
[10:07] <dabaSlon> I told you those things...I gave you the one file myself, and gave you a link to the otehr one.
[10:07] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: got no removalbe media at the moment, ugh.
[10:07] <RootsLINUX> and I thought /usr/lib, etc. should be listed in that envar
[10:07] <dabaSlon> well, figure it out, I cant help you there...
[10:07] <phxguy> can anybody help me out? My Icons dont showup anywhere not even in my kicker panel
[10:07] <dimeo> anyone know if mounting GMail as a drive still works?
[10:07] <dabaSlon> weird that you cant get online, tho.
[10:07] <dabaSlon> I mean, hey...
[10:07] <dabaSlon> I got it...
[10:07] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: okay give me a sec
[10:07] <dabaSlon> crossover cable?
[10:07] <Hajuu> yay
[10:07] <crimmy> RootsLINUX: no, that's the default and thus doesn't need to be specified.
[10:07] <Hajuu> that works great
[10:07] <Hajuu> thanks again guys
[10:08] <MrNonchalant> crimmy: Have you said anything further? I needed help with vncserver and vnc-java on a Hoary Gnome desktop.
[10:08] <phxguy> dimeo: didn't know you could mount gmail as a drive?
[10:08] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: yes itas cross cable
[10:08] <thefinn> is anyone successfully using an Intell 900 series graphics adapter with xorg 6.8.2
[10:08] <coco_> Seveas, for the momment I use free driver 'nv' and I would like to install the 'nvidia' what the name pakage ?
[10:08] <crimmy> MrNonchalant: did you read what I typed regarding System>Preferences>Remote Desktop?
[10:08] <dabaSlon> toxicfume: lets get the local netowrk working.
[10:08] <Seveas> coco_, are you on intel or amd (the processor)?
[10:08] <dabaSlon> Can you open the windows thing, and set it up for manual with the IP address as you said.
[10:08] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: that'd be great if it does:)
[10:08] <dabaSlon> I dont see why not.
[10:08] <MrNonchalant> crimmy: Er, no. Missed that.
[10:08] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: what thing?
[10:08] <dabaSlon> Unless something is funked.
[10:09] <dabaSlon> pm?
[10:09] <toxicfume> sure
[10:09] <dabaSlon> I like pressing enter:)_
[10:09] <crimmy> MrNonchalant: ...yeah, above, I answered both questions.
[10:09] <coco_> Seveas, AMD
[10:09] <MrNonchalant> crimmy: Having trouble finding it, does X-Chat keep a log?
[10:09] <crimmy> holysmokes: it works with a few limitations afaik
[10:10] <eyequeue> Hajuu:  unrar x foo.rar, now that i check
[10:10] <darkaudit> will know in about 15 minutes if TSO will run in WINE
[10:10] <Seveas> coco_, install the package: linux-k7
[10:10] <holysmokes> crimmy: changelog for 6.8.2 indicates it is supported with the i810 driver.. for me, the server comes up and i hear gnome booting, but i get nothing on the display
[10:10] <Seveas> coco_, that will keep kernel & driver up-to-date
[10:10] <crimmy> MrNonchalant: scroll up about 20 minutes
[10:11] <crimmy> holysmokes: what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log tell you?
[10:11] <MrNonchalant> crimmy: I can't scroll up that far, it cuts off
[10:11] <coco_> Seveas, /proc/cpuinfo say it's AMD-K6
[10:11] <sebastian> to whoever tiped me about wine/winrar a moment ago: It worked! thanks alot!
[10:11] <coco_> Seveas, it's ok anyway ?
[10:11] <Seveas> coco_, yes
[10:11] <holysmokes> crimmy: not much.. doesn't show any errors, a couple warnings but nothing catastrophic
[10:12] <Hajuu> chmod -R hajuu:hajuu /home/hajuu
[10:12] <Hajuu> Whats wrong with that?
[10:12] <crimmy> MrNonchalant: ok, then I'll repeat it now. Hoary includes a vnc server by default called Vino. Look in System>Preferences>Remote Desktop.
[10:12] <crimmy> MrNonchalant: then you can install any vnc viewer to access your Ubuntu machine remotely.
[10:12] <coco_> Seveas, ok I install it, and after that I have to install nvidia-glx innit ?
[10:12] <Seveas> Hajuu, i think you mean chown
[10:12] <Hajuu> oh yeah
[10:12] <Hajuu> heh
[10:12] <neofax> toxicfume: Try going to this website to setup your wireless lan: http://www.employees.org/~kousik/Hacks/linux_on_4002NLCi.html
[10:12] <holysmokes> crimmy: i can change the driver to vesa and X works just fine, but i was kind of hoping for at least a little acceleration ;)
[10:12] <eyequeue> Hajuu:  i think you want chown not chmod
[10:13] <Seveas> coco_, the nvidia module is in the restricted-modules package. afaik you enable it with the command: sudo nvidia-glx-enable
[10:13] <toxicfume> neofax: sure, thanks
[10:13] <MrNonchalant> crimmy: Alright, what about a java applet server package? Does one exist?
[10:13] <neofax> toxicfume: Here is one to setup the ICS:  http://www.computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/27321.html
[10:13] <MrNonchalant> For Vino, that is.
[10:13] <crimmy> holysmokes: right, but only the log from i810 is useful...
[10:13] <eyequeue> sebastian:  btw, sudo apt-get install unrar-nonfree
[10:13] <coco_> Seveas, ok thx
[10:14] <yccheok> how can i make my linux wallpaper change everyday automatically?
[10:14] <neofax> toxicfume: It is exactly as we said, but try setting the IP manually to 192.168.0.2 and then changing the route.
[10:14] <toxicfume> neofax: alright, i'll try that again
[10:14] <holysmokes> crimmy: yeah, the log from starting x with i810 doesn't show any errors, just a couple or warnings.. the server seems to come up just fine with i810 as i can hear my desktop coming up and i have to shutdown the server manually
[10:15] <xenobytes> dabaSlon, I get partial playback in Totem if I select individual vobs....but it skips around and acts really crazy.
[10:15] <crimmy> MrNonchalant: sure, there's vnc-java in multiverse. Why do you want that?
[10:15] <holysmokes> crimmy: i'll go grab make a copy of the i810 log
[10:16] <BurgerMann> :S
[10:17] <MrNonchalant> crimmy: Ah, here's what I was really asking. I have that installed (vnc-java), how do I get it to work? The environment I'm planning on using to access my desktop doesn't allow installations.
[10:17] <BurgerMann> Since I've updated using Synaptic Firefox began to act weird :s
[10:17] <BurgerMann> I get some kinda XML falt when trying to view certain pages
[10:17] <HappyFool> BurgerMann: can you give a url of such a page ?
[10:18] <NetwrkMonkey> how do i get the cd-burning app in gnome to work? it worked in 4.10 but not in warty
[10:18] <NetwrkMonkey> i'm getting a cdrecord error
[10:18] <crimmy> MrNonchalant: you'll need to find an installation of vnc-java on your workstation that allows you to access your Ubuntu desktop.
[10:18] <BurgerMann> HappyFool, sourceforge acutally did it when I tried to download something..
[10:18] <BurgerMann> Hmn..
[10:18] <crimmy> MrNonchalant: note that you don't need to install anything additional on your Ubuntu desktop.
[10:19] <NetwrkMonkey> cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer underruns.
[10:19] <NetwrkMonkey> cdrecord: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using setpriority().
[10:19] <dabaSlon> cdrecord is the app, I take it..:)
[10:20] <MrNonchalant> crimmy: Sorry, maybe I'm not being clear. I used to have it on my windows install that you could access a web server that served up a java applet that allowed you to view that computer.
[10:20] <yucek> hi,
[10:21] <yucek> how can I configure my sound in ubuntu?
[10:21] <crimmy> MrNonchalant: ok, I've not used anything like that, so you'll need to read the vnc-java docs
[10:21] <yucek> it says there is no mixer or device when I tried to volume up in gnome
[10:21] <crimmy> yucek: what sound card?
[10:21] <MrNonchalant> crimmy: I did. They were astoundingly short and uninformative.
[10:21] <yucek> hmm..
[10:21] <yucek> I dont know.
[10:21] <MrNonchalant> crimmy: Thanks for the help anyway.
[10:21] <crimmy> MrNonchalant: Is Google any help?
[10:21] <yucek> it is onboard, let me checek
[10:21] <MrNonchalant> crimmy: Not so far.
[10:23] <BurgerMann> Oh.. my firefox download window is screwed up :s
[10:23] <BurgerMann> I can't download anything
[10:23] <BurgerMann> =(.. so much for DSL
[10:24] <yucek> it is a dell optiplex GX1, but I could not find anything about
[10:24] <yucek> the sound card
[10:24] <crimmy> yucek: paste the output of lspci -v onto http://pastebin.com
[10:25] <yucek> http://pastebin.com/291419
[10:25] <ksp> MrNonchalant: It should be included with the VNC server - try http://server:5801
[10:26] <yucek> hmmm... it is not a php code ;)
[10:27] <shido6> I LOVE UBUNTU
[10:27] <shido6> no turning back now
[10:27] <shido6> installing mac os x
[10:27] <shido6> on it
[10:27] <shido6> and its speedy
[10:27] <shido6> faster than on windows
[10:28] <shido6> but I dont use the ppc included in synaptic
[10:28] <shido6> pre4
[10:28] <crimmy> yucek: ok, you have an isa sound chipset
[10:28] <shido6> works best
[10:28] <crimmy> yucek: is PnP enabled in bios?
[10:28] <yucek> sorry, but what is PnP
[10:28] <crimmy> plug n' play
[10:28] <Seveas> plug & play
[10:28] <BurgerMann> thx for the tip on xampp, HappyFool kewl project
[10:29] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hmmm still can't get ubuntu to load into my secondary pc
[10:29] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> keeps freezing
[10:29] <yucek> I dont know, so should I restart and enable that
[10:29] <ivoks> bye
[10:29] <kas11> aka plug & pray
[10:29] <Enkidu> crimmy, i cant figure out how to use mkinitrd?
[10:29] <crimmy> Enkidu: the man page outlines its usage
[10:30] <alejandro> shido6: I also love ubuntu until I update packages and all my system is broken. :))
[10:30] <crimmy> alejandro: for Hoary?
[10:30] <Tezkah> I have two mozirra firefoxes installed
[10:30] <Tezkah> yay
[10:31] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hmmm does Setting the System Clock using Hardware Clock always run twice when booting twice ?
[10:31] <alejandro> crimmy: when I used breeze, although it's unstable, it's more unstable than debian sid.
[10:31] <crimmy> Pop_pa_FrEaK: well yes, if you boot twice, it runs each time you boot, so it runs twice total...
[10:32] <alejandro> crimmy: later I come back to hoary.
[10:32] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> no everytime I boot
[10:32] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> it does this
[10:32] <crimmy> alejandro: well, yes, we're in the middle of toolchain transition for Breezy...
[10:32] <dabaSlon> well, Pop_pa_FrEaK, you meanonce every time?
[10:32] <jeff25> is it possible to install user mode linux in ubuntu?
[10:32] <BurgerMann> Which businessphone is most compatible with KDE?
[10:33] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> no twice... once before cleaning up ifupdown and just after setting up general console font
[10:33] <crimmy> jeff25: yes
[10:33] <jeff25> crimmy: is there a .deb for it
[10:33] <jeff25> crimmy: or should I just compile it
[10:33] <alejandro> crimmy: currently I can't install any gnome application, I had serious problem of the previous update in breeze.
[10:33] <BurgerMann> I need some Korganizer synching with my cell phone
[10:33] <alejandro> crimmy: now it seems it's working with kde/xorg in hoary.
[10:34] <rg58sma> hi someone knows
[10:34] <dabaSlon> always run twice when booting twice ? is what you ahd said, I thouhgt it was kinda funny. Not sure, tho.
[10:34] <jeff25> crimmy: I want to test out some driver code i'm writing without hosing my whole machine
[10:34] <rg58sma> how to  stop the X-windoiws
[10:34] <rg58sma> tu run sh Nvidia.run
[10:35] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> and when it tryies to set the system clock the second time it freezes up
[10:35] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> tries*
[10:35] <crimmy> alejandro: yeah, see topic about Breezy
[10:35] <alejandro> anyway I would like that you can make something like an emerge -e world. :)
[10:35] <JStrike> alejandro : Why do you think the topic is as it is if you expect breezy to work?
[10:35] <Shuddertrix> rg58sma: if it's a kernel installed by Ubuntu, it already has the nvidia module (just run sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings)
[10:35] <Tezkah> E: Couldn't find package internet-explorer
[10:35] <crimmy> jeff25: check packages.ubuntu.com
[10:35] <Enkidu> crimmy, i swear i've read that file 10 times but i cant figure out how to just make it from the /usr/src/linux directory where i made the kernel
[10:35] <crimmy> sorry, I need to run now
[10:35] <jeff25> crimmy: ok thx
[10:35] <alejandro> JStrike: yeah, I know, but it was late. :)
[10:36] <crimmy> Enkidu: there's a usage line at the top. Sorry, I need to run.
[10:36] <Shuddertrix> rg58sma: if not, pres CTRL+ALT+F2, login, sudo killall gdm, sudo sh NVIDIA*.run
[10:39] <maxy_noob> lost my panel ... :( How do I get it back?
[10:39] <dabaSlon> gnome-panel
[10:39] <dabaSlon> how did you lose it?
[10:39] <maxy_noob> ya, sorry
[10:39] <maxy_noob> deleted by accident (remove panel)
[10:39] <maxy_noob> I wanted to remove an item on the panel
[10:40] <Seveas> maxy_noob, from another panel, add a new one
[10:40] <Seveas> just rightclick & select new panel
[10:40] <maxy_noob> but the whole bar disappeared.
[10:40] <Seveas> you have 2 by default
[10:41] <Seveas> so use the other one :)
[10:41] <maxy_noob> k, figured it out
[10:41] <alejandro> you know if I can use any command to reinstall every package in the system and rebuild the package database? (something similar to the emerge -e world in gentoo)
[10:41] <maxy_noob> thanks
[10:41] <Seveas> alejandro, why would you want that?
[10:41] <dabaSlon> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:41] <dabaSlon> or, teh three button dance:)
[10:42] <alejandro> Seveas: when your system is completely broken. :)
[10:42] <nalioth> bbl
[10:42] <alejandro> Seveas: like now when I update to breeze and I want to come back to hoary.
[10:42] <dabaSlon> ooh, reinstall.
[10:42] <alejandro> no, reinstall is not the right solution. :)
[10:43] <nickrud> lol, I love when I drop in on good ones
[10:43] <Seveas> alejandro, you might try dpkg --get-selections | cut -f 1 | apt-get install --reinstall
[10:43] <Seveas> alejandro, you might try dpkg --get-selections | cut -f 1 | xargs apt-get install --reinstall
[10:43] <imaek> Is there a .CHM reader for Linux?
[10:43] <alejandro> Seveas: ah ok, nice.
[10:43] <dabaSlon> xchm
[10:43] <Firetech> the apt-system isn't built for downgrades...
[10:43] <zenrox> Firetech,  yet!!
[10:43] <zenrox> lol
[10:43] <Seveas> Firetech, that's not what he's doing :)
[10:44] <Firetech> Seveas: [22:42:43]  <alejandro> Seveas: like now when I update to breeze and I want to come back to hoary.
[10:44] <Seveas> oooh....
[10:44] <Seveas> missed that line
[10:44] <Seveas> alejandro, what i typed reinstalls the current version of everything. There is *no* way you can downgrade a complete system
[10:44] <BurgerMann> What's the European charencoding?.. something like ISO-9660-1 ?
[10:45] <Seveas> west-european is iso 8859-1 or 8859-15
[10:45] <alejandro> Seveas: the problem when breeze has wrong packages and you have failed dependencies.
[10:45] <Seveas> alejandro, read the topic: DO NOT use breezy
[10:45] <Seveas> there are 3 major transitions going on right now
[10:45] <alejandro> Seveas: and if it's late? ;)
[10:45] <Firetech> the command you specified would reinstall non-purged packages too, that isn't always what one want...
[10:45] <Seveas> alejandro, reinstall is your only option
[10:45] <BurgerMann> yeh, but I'm danish and we decided to add a few extra letters to our alphabet
[10:46] <alejandro> Seveas: I dont think I will be the only user to thing than sid is the same as breezy.
[10:46] <zenrox> Seveas,  or learn how to pin to older packages
[10:46] <BurgerMann> like .. It's should be ind iso 9660 i think, if 9660 exists
[10:46] <Seveas> alejandro, well, there aren't many users so far...
[10:46] <alejandro> Seveas: ok, ok, the same happens if you want to reinstall a package of another tree, you can have problems (i mean with a sid tree in ubuntu)
[10:46] <alejandro> for example to use freenx.
[10:46] <Seveas> sid is much more stable than breezy right now
[10:46] <alejandro> (freenx is not included in ubuntu yet)
[10:47] <Seveas> BurgerMann, why don't you just use unicode?
[10:47] <ech0> why do I keep getting a broken package error: http://pastebin.com/291424
[10:47] <Shuddertrix> sid has probably been around much longer then breezy, for sure.
[10:47] <alejandro> Seveas: Yeah, if I knew it, I wouldnt changed from gentoo to ubuntu.
[10:47] <desrt> s/probably //
[10:47] <s00d> Hi, I was wondering if anybody could point me to further reading about how to tweak my DVD drive? I've enabled DMA on the drive, but playback is still choppy. It pauses consistently every few frames or so.
[10:47] <BurgerMann> Seveas what's that.. UFT-8 ? :s.. I don't know my way around all these silly standards =(
[10:47] <Seveas> Shuddertrix, given that both warty and hoary are also based on sid, well... yes :)
[10:47] <desrt> breezy is a *mess* right now
[10:47] <desrt> it's having a particularly bad week :)
[10:47] <Firetech> Seveas: (about Unicode) The problem is that not many are using unicode on IRC...
[10:48] <Seveas> BurgerMann, that's utf-8
[10:48] <BurgerMann> ... that's the good thing about standards.. there's always so many to choose from :s
[10:48] <Seveas> Firetech, hoary uses utf-8 as standard :)
[10:48] <Firetech> at least not on some networks
[10:48] <BurgerMann> Seveas, thx' I'll do that =D
[10:48] <Shuddertrix> My tooth really hurts.. it's been getting really bad lately..
[10:48] <andreas_> Does anyone know how to search for referrers for a site?
[10:48] <Seveas> BurgerMann, do a dpkg-reconfigure locales to install the UTF8 locales
[10:48] <nickrud> alejandro you can use aptitude to fix those dependencies, but it's very tedious
[10:48] <Firetech> Seveas: I know, that, but while mirc (which should be the most used IRC client for windows) doesn't support it...
[10:49] <Shuddertrix> Just said "sid" out loud and got this whole shiver of pain
[10:49] <Seveas> you need dk_DK.UTF-8 or da_DA.UTF-8
[10:49] <BurgerMann> Seveas I should be there
[10:49] <Firetech> I wonder if it isn't da_DK?
[10:49] <BurgerMann> I installed Apache and needed it to use a UTF
[10:50] <alejandro> nickrud: ok, thanks. :)
[10:50] <jeff25> too bad their is no transcode package :/
[10:50] <Seveas>  <-- burgermann, if those look like characters from chinese charsets, you use UTF-8 already
[10:50] <andreas_> Roedgroed with whipped cream for the lot of you guys!
[10:50] <BurgerMann> Ye they do :P
[10:50] <Shuddertrix> Whatever font eterm is using doesn't show that right ;)
[10:50] <scythe> having issues with hotplug, can someone help?
[10:51] <BurgerMann> Seveas, what I needed to know is what to use in my apache httpd configuration file :P.. the pages I see on my server is screwy since it's using western european charsets
[10:51] <eyequeue> Seveas:  btw, how did you enter those?
[10:51] <Shuddertrix> brb
[10:51] <Seveas> eyequeue, ctrl+shift+random number :)
[10:51] <BurgerMann> however now everythings ganz wunderbar
[10:51] <Seveas> eyequeue, take a look at the character applet and the gucharmap program
[10:52] <eyequeue> 
[10:53] <Seveas> eyequeue, lots of random numbers do not have associated characters :)
[10:53] <eyequeue> heh, yeah :)
[10:53] <scythe> my ieee1394 dvd drive is recognized when i boot with it plugged in, but it isnt recognized when i plug it in with the system already on
[10:53] <Seveas> and they are hex numbers, so you can use a b c d e f too :)
[10:53] <refuze2looze> is there a program where i can seperate an ext3 partition i have into 2 partitions without losing data?
[10:53] <Daylighthater> Can somebody help me with my screen problems?
[10:53] <Seveas> refuze2looze, try booting from a livecd and using parted/gparted/qtparted
[10:54] <Seveas> Daylighthater, maybe someone can, if you tell us your problem...
[10:54] <Daylighthater> It's like my gnome got a push at the bottom and is now about 20 pixels to set to high
[10:54] <Daylighthater> I was busy doing it :d
[10:54] <refuze2looze> Seveas: is it risky to do so though?
[10:54] <Seveas> Daylighthater, play with the buttons on your monitor, sounds like a hardware issue
[10:54] <Daylighthater> its a laptop
[10:54] <Seveas> refuze2looze, no idea, never tried it myself :)
[10:54] <Firetech> can someone post a very UTF specific cahacter, just want to check if I managed to change encoding i KVIrc correctly...
[10:55] <Daylighthater> Seveas don't have those kind of buttons
[10:55] <Seveas> Daylighthater, ouch :| no idea then, it's interesting though, try posting to the ubuntu-users list
[10:55] <eyequeue> 
[10:55] <Daylighthater> How do i do this?
[10:55] <Firetech> eyequeue: thanks :)
[10:55] <Seveas> Daylighthater, http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
[10:55] <eyequeue> Firetech:  np (pasted from Seveas)
[10:56] <Firetech> could guess that...
[10:56] <Firetech> you said something similar before I retsrted my client...
[10:56] <Firetech> *restarted
[10:56] <galidor> hi
[10:57] <Seveas>  <-- my real name in bopomofo (yeah, unicode is nice =))
[10:57] <galidor> does someone know how to enable web administration for cups?
[10:57] <Seveas> galidor, sudo adduser cupsys wheel
[10:57] <Seveas> galidor, sudo adduser cupsys root <-- try that if the previoul line does not work
[10:58] <galidor> thanks, i'm trying
[10:58] <sebastian_> I'm having trouble geting sound when I play .avi files in Totem, anyone know how to solve it?
[11:01] <Shuddertrix> Silly me, i keep forgetting about devilspie..
[11:02] <galidor> Seveas: it doesnt work
[11:02] <scythe> does anyone know if there is an issue with the hotplugging subsystem in hoary
[11:02] <Prophet> how do you set up the root pass, or is there a defualt one or something?
[11:02] <nickrud> galidor adduser cupsys shadow, invoke-rc.d cupsys restart, make changes, deluser cupsys shadow, invoke-rc.d cupsys restart
[11:03] <Shuddertrix> Prophet: You use sudo for everything with your password, however, you can set a pass with sudo passwd root
[11:03] <kay> Uhm, I am using Breezy and X is broken for a while, is that only me?
[11:03] <kay> :)
[11:03] <BurgerMann> Does anyone know what ERP applications are available for linux?
[11:03] <xav> hi every1 !
[11:04] <Seveas> BurgerMann, ERP..?
[11:04] <xav> i'm a debian user (mix testing/unstable) and i would like to switch to ubuntu
[11:04] <eyequeue> kay:  no
[11:04] <nobile> switch
[11:04] <xav> but the fact there's software upgrade in te stable repository pisses me off... so i think i would use backports
[11:05] <xav> what about them ? stability ? break down ?
[11:05] <eyequeue> kay:  have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg yet?
[11:05] <Choubaka> xav: What?
[11:05] <scythe> im a recent convert....lovin it
[11:05] <Seveas> xav, stability of backports is questionable
[11:05] <kay> eyequeue, i have x back to running state, the thing is, the keyboard seems completely broken
[11:05] <Choubaka> xav: You don't want software updates? :|
[11:05] <Seveas> but there is work being done to improve on that (cooperation between ubuntu devs and backport guys)
[11:06] <xav> well i'm just a desktop user ... all i want is my system not breaking down
[11:06] <eyequeue> kay:  i only notice it with ctrl characters (like ^L in xchat here)
[11:06] <Choubaka> I haven't had breakage with backports.
[11:06] <xav> :)
[11:06] <Seveas> xav, then don't use backports
[11:06] <Choubaka> xav: Then ubuntu will work.
[11:06] <kay> And, at least on my work machine, it seems, I have no alt, no pipe, no tab and no ...
[11:06] <Seveas> xav, ubuntu has a 6-month release schedule
[11:06] <Seveas> no need for backports :)
[11:06] <tanek> my soundcard keeps changing devicenumber... sometimes its dsp1 and sometimes dsp2, very annoying as i have to change my /etc/esound/esd.conf every time i reboot
[11:06] <BurgerMann> Seveas, It's a business concept. For larger firms. The intergrate and centralize financiel, stock, and productivity reports
[11:06] <Choubaka> better than mixing sarge/unstable at least. :|
[11:06] <xav> i know but i find it awfull not to have new softwares for 6 months :)
[11:07] <eyequeue> Seveas:  has firefox 1.0.4 gone into hoary yet? (if not, you can't install extensions)
[11:07] <Seveas> BurgerMann, in that case: ENOCLUE (ie: no idea)
[11:07] <Seveas> eyequeue: Open firefox and in about:config set general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4
[11:07] <BurgerMann> Seveas, If you've heard about them, Axapta and C5 are MS solutions
[11:07] <eyequeue> Seveas:  i have 1.0.4 already :)
[11:07] <Seveas> and you can install extensions again :)
[11:07] <Choubaka> I'm running Trunk builds. :D
[11:07] <Choubaka> They rock
[11:08] <Choubaka> And I mean it. They really do.
[11:08] <eyequeue> Seveas:  then again, my package is named firefox rather than mozilla-firefox :-/
[11:09] <Seveas> eyequeue, minor detail :)
[11:09] <xav> last question before i switch... what about all my configs?
[11:09] <eyequeue> Seveas:  (breezy)
[11:09] <hybrid> god bless linux
[11:09] <eyequeue> xav:  any config in /home/* will not be changed by a package upgrade, only those in /etc/*
[11:10] <scythe> while yes he did, but where did that come from hybrid?
[11:10] <eyequeue> hybrid:  thanks, i hadn't noticed it sneeze ;)
[11:10] <xav> of course for ~/ but i mean for all /etc/ ? is there a way to upgrade from debian to ubuntu ?
[11:10] <BurgerMann> hybrid, the way I see it.. Linux doesn't need to be blessed... :s
[11:11] <eyequeue> unless it uses C++? ;-)
[11:11] <Seveas> xav, i suggest you wait a month and simply dist-upgrade to breezy
[11:11] <hybrid> scythe: i love linux. [that remark and such i common in here]  i am gettin videos thru wget and multitaskin like an sob man windows cant touch this
[11:11] <hybrid> BurgerMann: heh but it is........
[11:11] <Seveas> that's the easiest route
[11:11] <`julien> yep
[11:11] <hybrid> eyequeue: heh
[11:11] <Shuddertrix> Weird, i'm having sound problems now
[11:11] <`julien> i thought breezy was just as unstable as sid ;)
[11:11] <Seveas> `julien, it's more unstable
[11:11] <`julien> so i installed breezy from hoary installer
[11:12] <hybrid> `julien: heh
[11:12] <Lafitte-> breezy broke my system
[11:12] <Lafitte-> not very stabel
[11:12] <Lafitte-> stable
[11:12] <`julien> Seveas: yes, i've seen :D
[11:12] <hybrid> programing in linux is wayt more fun then in osx or windoze
[11:12] <`julien> but it works
[11:12] <saber_> heh... its not like you didn't know :) look at the topic
[11:12] <xav> is there a way to install hoary and mix with breezy with apt pin something ? (like in debian sarge/sid)
[11:12] <ivoks> don't install breezy!
[11:12] <`julien> i only miss vlc
[11:12] <ivoks> don't install breezy!
[11:12] <Seveas> xav, sure :)
[11:12] <hybrid> xav: yea but i dont suggest it
[11:12] <ivoks> Lafitte-: /topic
[11:12] <Seveas> apt is apt
[11:12] <Lafitte-> ivoks,  i did    never booted from that point on
[11:12] <eyequeue> Lafitte-:  no, thanksfully it's not stable (see /topic too) ... is there anything that i can help you get working again though?
[11:13] <Shuddertrix> That was very weird
[11:13] <Seveas> if you want you can even mix hoary/sarge/sid/breezy :)(
[11:13] <lonewolff> `julien: vlc for linux :)
[11:13] <xav> hybrid why?
[11:13] <hybrid> Seveas: haha
[11:13] <BurgerMann> I miss being able to synchronize with my cellphone.. however that's not Linux's fault... that's my cell phone's :P
[11:13] <hybrid> xav: b/c it could break with breezy the way it is
[11:13] <Shuddertrix> I touch the connection and the left channel suddenly comes in. Strange cable, I guess.
[11:13] <hybrid> xav: and last time i said go ahead i got flamed
[11:13] <hybrid> :D
[11:13] <`julien> lonewolff: but it's currently broken because it lacks wxwindows
[11:13] <ivoks> Lafitte-: it's your own fault :(
[11:14] <lonewolff> `julien: broken in what distro?
[11:14] <eyequeue> xav:  breezy (which i am on) is very definitely not in good shape at present
[11:14] <amonkey> i added my storage drives to fstab, but they error out when trying to mount at boot, but are fine when i try mount -a. can i get mount -a to run automatically after boot?
[11:14] <xav> hybrid: would it more unstable than me using mix sarge/sid?
[11:14] <`julien> lonewolff: breezy
[11:14] <`julien> lonewolff: i know, i shouldn't have installed it :)
[11:14] <Seveas> amonkey, what type of drive?
[11:14] <lonewolff> `julien: ah well, pre realease, what do you expect
[11:14] <Seveas> nfs/samba?
[11:14] <hybrid> xav: prolly b/c breezy and hoary are newer
[11:14] <Shuddertrix> my music never sounded so good. ogg is just as good as mp3 :D
[11:15] <hybrid> xav: but if you know what u are doin it should make out a nice system
[11:15] <xav> hybrid: okay so the matching should actually be sid->hoary experimental->breezy...
[11:15] <Seveas> xav, no
[11:15] <Seveas> hoary is frozen, sid has moved on
[11:15] <Seveas> so sid->hoary will not work
[11:16] <hybrid> Seveas: it could
[11:16] <Seveas> hybrid, yes, but very unlikely :)
[11:16] <hybrid> Seveas: kinda like mixin breezy n hoary
[11:16] <hybrid> Seveas: idk never tried. maybe backports haha
[11:16] <Lafitte-> ivoks,  ??????   for what
[11:16] <ivoks> Lafitte-: breezy
[11:16] <Lafitte-> ivoks,  i did that from ubuntuguide.org and i didnt care
[11:16] <Lafitte-> not bitchen now
[11:17] <Lafitte-> its called rsync dude  :)
[11:17] <ivoks> ?
[11:17] <Lafitte-> took like make 10 minutes to reinstall with all my add ons there and fixes
[11:17] <`julien> there's no mapping between debian distribs and ubuntus indeed
[11:18] <nickrud> maybe when etch rolls around...
[11:18] <`julien> maybe
[11:18] <tanek> my soundcard keeps changing devicenumber... sometimes its dsp1 and sometimes dsp2, very annoying as i have to change my /etc/esound/esd.conf every time i reboot
[11:18] <`julien> (hope)
[11:18] <nickrud> me also
[11:18] <Lafitte-> ivoks,  you know how to rsync ?
[11:18] <ivoks> lol
[11:18] <xav> i am just curious and a bit scary to leave my working-though-not-bleeding-edge debian for ubuntu... so this debate about backports and mixing hoary/breezy is something i would want to hear much about
[11:19] <psyc> anyone here uses ubuntu amd64 with realtek 8180 ? im having a lot of problems trying to make it work
[11:19] <ivoks> xav: don't mix!!!!!
[11:19] <ivoks> guys...
[11:19] <ivoks> let's get this straight...
[11:19] <ivoks> breezy is beeing recompiled
[11:19] <desrt> xav; the b in breezy stands for 'insane'
[11:19] <ivoks> with gcc4 and g++4
[11:19] <Seveas> indeed
[11:19] <ivoks> lot of packages are broken!
[11:20] <Seveas> mixing breezy and whatever is impossible
[11:20] <ivoks> broken = don't run, have bugs, useless
[11:20] <xav> ivoks: okay that 's clearer
[11:20] <ech0> hs anyone else had trouble installing mplayer? i keep getting "unmet dependencies"
[11:20] <Lafitte-> ivoks,  like X   rofl
[11:20] <Seveas> because the c++ abi changes in g++4
[11:20] <ech0> has*
[11:20] <desrt> ivoks; not useless.
[11:20] <BurgerMann> what's breezy?
[11:20] <ivoks> Lafitte-: like X
[11:20] <desrt> ivoks; i run a couple of breezy boxes
[11:20] <`julien> well, i'll keep my nearly-working-breezy frozen for a while, tell me when it's usable again :)
[11:20] <desrt> ivoks; just not for the faint of heart
[11:20] <ivoks> :)
[11:20] <BurgerMann> ain't that a dring?
[11:20] <BurgerMann> drink
[11:20] <ivoks> breezy ain't like debian testing
[11:20] <nickrud> BurgerMann breezy is what you'll want to take a look at come late august, I hope
[11:21] <dimeo> can i run kde applications in gnome ?
[11:21] <Seveas> yes dimeo
[11:21] <lonewolff> dimeo: yes you can
[11:21] <Shuddertrix> dimeo: Of course!
[11:21] <dimeo> Awesome!
[11:21] <desrt> debian testing is like taking a walk into the bad part of town... breezy is like going to war in iraq
[11:21] <lonewolff> dimeo: if you use apt to install them then it will install the kde libs and stuff you need for you
[11:21] <BurgerMann> nickrud, kewl :P... got any url?
[11:21] <Simira> mail-help?
[11:21] <Lafitte-> dimeo,  if you grab even simle programs  it will load you up with kde junk thouhg
[11:21] <amonkey> Seveas, two ext3 ide seagates on a pci ide controller.
[11:21] <ivoks> and read topic
[11:21] <Simira> how come most of the mails I've sent lately don't seem to be in my "Sent items"-folder?
[11:22] <Seveas> amonkey, maybe your pci card driver is loaded too late
[11:22] <eyequeue> ivoks:  though when debian does their C++ migration, it too will have nightmares in testing
[11:22] <xav> ivoks: seems like it isn't sid neither :)
[11:22] <Seveas> try adding the driver to /etc/modules
[11:22] <nickrud> BurgerMann yeah, but I don't have it right at hand
[11:22] <Shuddertrix> Lafitte-: Usually, qt and kdelibs isn't junk..
[11:22] <ivoks> there isn't topic "DONT USE BREEZY" just for fun
[11:22] <BurgerMann> oh
[11:22] <amonkey> Seveas, can i force it load sooner or mount those drives later?
[11:22] <nickrud> anyone have the breezy roadmap url available?
[11:22] <Shuddertrix> ivoks: Don't forget the 4 pleases
[11:22] <Seveas> amonkey, the /etc/modules trick might help
[11:22] <ivoks> xav: do you know what's tranistion from gcc3 to gcc4?
[11:22] <intero> hello
[11:22] <ivoks> xav: it's big/
[11:22] <Seveas> otherwise you will have to put it in your initrd
[11:22] <desrt> nickrud; roadmap: "release in early october"
[11:22] <Simira> noone that can help a woman in need?
[11:22] <ivoks> xav: none distro is doing that
[11:22] <dimeo> that is one complaint that I have... I want to install a notes manager... 500k you'd figure... 72MB later when all the libs are installed too... blah
[11:23] <Seveas> Simira, evolution?
[11:23] <Simira> Seveas: Thunderbird
[11:23] <dimeo> anyone know of a tree style notes manager that isn't 72mb?
[11:23] <eyequeue> dimeo:  are you on ubuntu or kubuntu?
[11:23] <dimeo> ubuntu
[11:23] <amonkey> Seveas, how can i figure otu which module they need?
[11:23] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hmmm can't seem to get an engine working with amarok in gnome
[11:23] <ivoks> eyequeue: debian will use ubuntus patches
[11:23] <nickrud> desrt I said look at, not necessarily run :)
[11:23] <eyequeue> dimeo:  it sounds to me like you may have chosen a kde-based app to install then
[11:23] <ivoks> eyequeue: so it will not be so paintfull
[11:23] <xav> ivoks: yeah i do realize but when they warn u in debian not to use sid i'm not really scared :)
[11:23] <Seveas> ah ok, well, i had it happen to me once in evo: there was something in the search box, so the sent-items folder was masked by that search. Maybe the same is going on for you in tb
[11:24] <Seveas> amonkey, no idea :)
[11:24] <ivoks> xav: they didn't do transition yet
[11:24] <eyequeue> ivoks:  true :)  though they'll need to get all the libs updated on the same day, else the package conflicts nighhtmares
[11:24] <intero> i have seen ubuntu with gnome and i noticed that when logging out the user is asked wheter to reboot, shutodown or change user _without_ actually going to gdm (i.e. like in kde). is this a gnome 2.10 feature or an ubuntu feature?
[11:24] <dimeo> a notes manager should be less than a meg... I like how xandros had one build it with the install
[11:24] <xav> intero: gnome i have it in debian
[11:24] <ivoks> eyequeue: that's not problem
[11:25] <xav> intero: though it didn't work in gentoo
[11:25] <Simira> Seveas: gee, I found them! I've got both a "Sent-Items", "Sent" and "Sendte elementer"(.no) folder...
[11:25] <nickrud> BurgerMann http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals has some good info
[11:25] <ivoks> eyequeue: if you know that lib will work
[11:25] <Seveas> intero, if you use gdm, you cannot reboot from kde. If you use kdm, you cannot reboot drom gnome
[11:25] <eyequeue> dimeo:  if your chosen app has a dependency upon kde libraries etc, it will seem the app itself is bloated with what it pulls in
[11:25] <ivoks> eyequeue: breezy has libs in it that are under heavy development
[11:25] <Seveas> lol Simira, localizations are nice huh :p
[11:25] <intero> xav: 2.10? because i have 2.8 now, and i dont have it. i have debian too
[11:25] <xav> ivoks: so i won't mix... but could u tell me a bit about backports ?
[11:25] <ivoks> eyequeue: some buil on one arch, but not on other etc...
[11:25] <ivoks> xav: don't use backports too
[11:25] <xav> intero: strange....
[11:26] <xav> ivoks: why ?
[11:26] <ivoks> xav: cause breezys packages depend on packages that aren't in hoary
[11:26] <intero> Seveas: i have gnome+gdm but would like to be able to shoutdown without gdm intermission
[11:26] <Seveas> xav, backports qa standards are too low
[11:26] <ivoks> xav: and i'm not talking about versions
[11:26] <xav> intero: look in gconf maybe
[11:26] <Seveas> xav, they break things
[11:26] <eyequeue> ivoks:  well, apps A B C D and E depend on libfoo1c102 and apps F G H I and J depend on libfoo1c2, and the libs conflict.  i think that's most of the headache in breezy at this time
[11:26] <Simira> Seveas: nothing I hate more intense about linux...
[11:26] <intero> xav: okay. sure it's not some particular package?
[11:26] <ivoks> eyequeue: but libfoo1c2 provides libfoo1c102 :)
[11:26] <Seveas> Simira, then why do you use them?
[11:27] <xav> intero: quite sure yeah
[11:27] <eyequeue> xav:  browse to http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ and read in as much or little detail as you like
[11:27] <BurgerMann> nickrud, thx for the url
[11:27] <xav> intero: i have gnome 2.8 and gdm since the begining and everything was working fine
[11:27] <ivoks> time to go to bed
[11:27] <eyequeue> ivoks:  no, that's the thing, it CAN'T due to abi changes
[11:27] <Simira> Seveas: they just happen sometimes :p I'm going back to Windows soon, I think
[11:27] <xav> eyequeue: thx
[11:27] <Simira> :p
[11:27] <ivoks> eyequeue: i know :)
[11:27] <eyequeue> xav:  np
[11:27] <Anubis> besides mplayer-plugin how do you stream windows/and quicktime media in your browser?
[11:28] <jeff25> is there a unbuntu porting guide channel?
[11:28] <ivoks> eyequeue: well, mess will be, but not this big
[11:28] <Seveas> Simira, LOL!
[11:28] <ivoks> eyequeue: hopfully, other distros will have easier task to do when we finish it
[11:28] <eyequeue> ivoks:  you have no idea how tempted i was to make some metapackages using equivs ;)
[11:28] <Seveas> that's not really the Ubuntu Member spirit :)
[11:28] <intero> xav: okay :) thanks
[11:28] <xav> last one: is anyone using dvb-t here ?
[11:28] <Seveas> jeff25, what do you mean with ubuntu porting?
[11:29] <ivoks> ah, bye all
[11:29] <jeff25> Seveas: well I want to create a .deb for the lastest version of fluxbox
[11:29] <eyequeue> ivoks:  Provides: $(everything-i-just-removed)  heheh
[11:29] <MarioOs> it already exists jeff
[11:29] <Seveas> jeff25, try the MOTU: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates #ubuntu-motu
[11:29] <Simira> Seveas: I'm almost not kidding. I still haven't found anything in Ubuntu I can't do equally effective in Windows. Maybe except for updating, but not much.
[11:30] <jeff25> Seveas: ok thanks
[11:30] <shezzo> l
[11:30] <xav> eyequeue: about http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ they tell nothing about quality of the testing procedure....
[11:30] <Seveas> Simira, well kernel programing would be a bit more difficult ;)
[11:30] <eyequeue> Simira:  lockin and freedom aren't an issue there?  is not, choose whatever you find fits your current/future needs best
[11:31] <xav> okay i'am going to do the switch debian -> ubuntu !!!
[11:31] <xav> let's go thx all
[11:31] <Simira> Seveas, eyequeue: these are things I don't do anyway :p
[11:31] <eyequeue> xav:  well, i suppose reading that forum for a while can give you an idea of how good/bad the various packages are.  i've had no complaints here
[11:32] <mez_> ah
[11:32] <mez_> good old Xchat
[11:32] <Fator_Dee> and it's hard to clean spyware/viruses on linux 'cause you don't tend to get them too much :-|
[11:32] <Simira> eyequeue: my ethics tells me to use Ubuntu (as I'm also the LoCo leader here :p ), my education and want for a job tells me to use Windows as much :p
[11:32] <Fator_Dee> so linux sux big time!
[11:32] <eyequeue> Simira:  sounds like you'll be a dual boot user :))
[11:33] <dampjam> I found the most awesome package ever, now I need someone to play.  Anybody feel like installing typespeed and challenging me to a network game?
[11:33] <eyequeue> Fator_Dee:  but you get to clean your monitor from all the drinks sprayed while laughing :)
[11:33] <Simira> eyequeue: as I've got an Ubuntu server, WinXP desktop, and dualbooting laptop, one might call it that :p
[11:33] <Fator_Dee> eyequeue: yea
[11:34] <eyequeue> Simira:  sounds ideal for your situation, especially the part about having whichever you'd need with you, in varying situations
[11:36] <kay> I think the xorg bug about keys is identified, bug #10942, when is there hope for new packages?
[11:36] <Simira> eyequeue: I like to be what they call multi-talented ;)
[11:36] <ech0> does anyone have a list to the default sources.list? i messed up the one on my system
[11:36] <ech0> a link*
[11:36] <kay> Or in the alternative, when I do apt-get source something, patches are applied
[11:36] <kay> can i prevent that and make it manually only?
[11:37] <kay> ech0, use apt-setup
[11:37] <jacquesmerde> which package do i need to play .avi's? gstreamer0.8-plugins let me play SOME avi's, but then only the audio...
[11:37] <eyequeue> ech0:  you might be able to find it in amn 5 sources.list
[11:38] <eyequeue> ech0:  man 5 sources.list
[11:38] <nickrud> ech0 http://pastebin.com/291396 has a good sources.list
[11:38] <ech0> thanks
[11:38] <SilentKiller> i am looking to install ubuntu on my sandisk. can anyone direct me to some sort of tutorials?
[11:38] <abraxas> somebody can help me with installation of gcc 4?
[11:38] <abraxas> castellano?
[11:39] <rem_> .
[11:39] <dali> no hablo castellano
[11:39] <dali> :0
[11:39] <abraxas> somebody can help me with installation of gcc 4?
[11:39] <BurgerMann> hmn the first reason I considered to change to linux was that I saw KDE, I wonder if that's a common motivation
[11:40] <Fator_Dee> BurgerMann: nope, others like it simple
[11:40] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> does ubuntu use dropline gnome ?
[11:40] <jacquesmerde> wow, seeing kde nearly made me run back to windows
[11:40] <SilentKiller> i need to boot from my flashdrive. any suggestions on where to look for help?
[11:40] <jacquesmerde> Pop_pa_FrEaK, dropline gnome is for slackware only, isnt it?
[11:40] <r0d> anyone running SElinux?
[11:40] <darkaudit> ok... TSO needs DirectX... and I need to recompile WINE with the DirectX patch...
[11:40] <BurgerMann> Fator_Dee, also grown Windows users?
[11:40] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ahh ok I think it is too
[11:40] <mkde> r0d, not sure, but #ubuntu-hardened might help
[11:40] <Fator_Dee> BurgerMann: hnh?
[11:41] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> wish I could figure out why ubuntu won't install into my secondary pc
[11:41] <Simira> BurgerMann: my sister changed because of the jumping cow screen saver
[11:41] <Shuddertrix> Pop_pa_FrEaK: dropline is for slackware, and it's very nice for slackware.
[11:41] <r0d> mkde, you have to install it seperately.
[11:41] <toxicfume> hi all, i need some help
[11:41] <BurgerMann> Simira, okay.. lol.. that may not be a common motivation at all.. but we all got our reaons
[11:42] <eyequeue> abraxas:  #ubuntu-es ?
[11:42] <r0d> is their a c/c++ plugin for monodevelop?
[11:42] <mike998> gentlemen, I have acquired a copy of half life game of the year and was wondering how I install the client on my machine so I can play the single player version
[11:42] <mike998> any ideas?
[11:42] <mkde> r0d, i know, i was just thinking maybe the guys in #ubuntu-hardened will be running it
[11:43] <toxicfume> I'm trying to follow this guide (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto) to fix my display problems on the laptop, but when i type the command "sudo aprt-get install fglrx-driver" I get an error that says "E: Couldn't find package fglrx-driver"
[11:43] <Fator_Dee> mike998: you need an emulator/similar program, like cedega for an example
[11:43] <BurgerMann> Erhm. I'm starting this organization called Danish Linux Integration and our mission is quite similiar to which of Ubuntus, that every user should have af free alternative in their language.
[11:43] <toxicfume> how do i fix that? I already tride apt-get update
[11:43] <r0d> mkde, they are, just noone likes to talk in their :( thx
[11:43] <toxicfume> HappyFool: hey, you there?
[11:43] <jacquesmerde> i want to play .avi's, someone please help (i promise its not for porn...)
[11:43] <mike998> Fator_Dee: I was afraid of that.  Thank you
[11:43] <mkde> r0d, *grins* maybe its out of their timezone
[11:43] <Fator_Dee> mike998: but cedega is proprietary (right word here?) so you have to pay for it
[11:44] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> yes its proprietary
[11:44] <Simira> BurgerMann: I'm supposed to get a job within computer-business once in the future, and will have the advantage of know how to handle different systems. Many change for easier security and freedom to make/adjust/change their software
[11:44] <mkde> jacquesmerde, you can try the wiki at the RestrictedFormats page, there may also be a french translation, look at the FrenchDocumentation page
[11:44] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: thanks :-)
[11:44] <Shuddertrix> cedega is awesome ;)
[11:44] <r0d> mkde, yea, theirs tons of help on SElinux everywhere. just looking for a security chat
[11:44] <toxicfume> can anyone help me please?
[11:44] <mike998> Fator_Dee: understood, I was hoping there was a native version or at least a native installer
[11:44] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> Fator_Dee, np
[11:44] <kay> Can one see somehow the status of packages that are being built for breezy?
[11:44] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> jsut returning the favour
[11:44] <jacquesmerde> mkde, RestrictedFormats, cheers!
[11:44] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> just*
[11:44] <Fator_Dee> mike998: it's a good program though, you can play lot's of games with it, 5dollars a month subscription IIRC
[11:44] <mkde> r0d, i think that trulux is the guy working on SELinux in Ubuntu
[11:45] <mkde> r0d, maybe you can talk to him
[11:45] <mike998> Fator_Dee: Ahem... I have "borrowed" a copy and it dies when I try to install half life
[11:45] <mike998> shame really
[11:45] <toxicfume> anyone ?
[11:46] <mkde> Tomcat_, sup?
[11:46] <mkde> whoops
[11:46] <mike998> but would you look at that... wine works okay I hope
[11:46] <mkde> toxicfume, sup?
[11:46] <mkde> oh
[11:46] <r0d> mkde,  rock on man
[11:46] <Fator_Dee> mike998: there might be some tricks you have to do to get it installed, there should be some guides around
[11:46] <mkde> toxicfume, which repository did you add?
[11:46] <mkde> r0d, ok
[11:46] <Shuddertrix> mike998: I can get hl from steam on Cedega perfectly. Fun.
[11:46] <mike998> Fator_Dee: Wine appears to be working, I will give that a go
[11:46] <toxicfume> mkde: well i don't know, i'm trying to follow this guide: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto to get my monitor working
[11:47] <BurgerMann> Simira, it's a good idea
[11:47] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> Americas army is better then CS
[11:47] <mike998> Shuddertrix: I just went to a garage sale and bought half life game of the year
[11:47] <mkde> toxicfume, ok, where it says "read adding repositories", you actually have to do that bit
[11:47] <toxicfume> mkde: but then i was todl earlier to type apt-get update first, which i did
[11:47] <Marine|Q3> how do i install a proggy that has a .deb extension
[11:47] <mkde> toxicfume, you added the multiverse repository?
[11:47] <mike998> Marine : dpkg -i package.deb
[11:47] <Marine|Q3> thank you
[11:47] <toxicfume> mkde: there was a source.list file which i edited to uncomment the links
[11:48] <toxicfume> sources.list i think
[11:48] <Shuddertrix> mike998: That's how I got half-life also.. got it for 4$ with a serial that wasn't used in steam.. then bought HL2 ;)
[11:48] <islander> hello
[11:48] <mkde> toxicfume, did you add multiverse or just uncomment the links?
[11:48] <mike998> Shuddertrix: my laptop would die a quick death if it tried to run hl2
[11:48] <toxicfume> mkde: i just uncommented them
[11:48] <islander> anybody here
[11:48] <mike998> but boy oh boy, would I love to play /that/ game
[11:48] <toxicfume> mkde: didn't add anylinks
[11:49] <mkde> toxicfume, ok every time you see "universe", add "multiverse" afterwards -> "universe multiverse"
[11:49] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ok need to get kde back again
[11:49] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> is it sudo apt-get install kde ?
[11:49] <islander> this is my  first time in here I am a newbie in linux
[11:49] <toxicfume> mkde: oh okay, where do i add that to?
[11:49] <islander> does anybody help me
[11:49] <mkde> Pop_pa_FrEaK, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop i think
[11:49] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: kubuntu-desktop
[11:49] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> islander, welcome to the community
[11:50] <mkde> Tomcat_, everytime you see universe
[11:50] <islander> thanks
[11:50] <mkde> damn
[11:50] <mkde> toxicfume, everytime you see universe
[11:50] <eyequeue> islander:  what seems to be the troubles today?
[11:50] <toxicfume> mkde: okay, but i am not sure what you mean, you want me to edit the sources.list file again?
[11:50] <mkde> toxicfume, if you haven't added any other repositories, you can copy the ideal sources.list from the page http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ExampleConffiles
[11:50] <islander> Well, I have so many questions about ubuntu
[11:50] <mkde> islander, off you go :D
[11:50] <islander> I will like to make it look like OS X
[11:51] <Simira> islander: have you seen the webpages, forums, and wiki? ;)
[11:51] <islander> do you have any idea
[11:51] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> thanx mkde and Fator_Dee
[11:51] <islander> no
[11:51] <mkde> islander, what about OSX do you want to add?
[11:51] <toxicfume> mkde: okay, so just to make sure...
[11:51] <mkde> toxicfume, don't post it in here
[11:51] <islander> I will like to add the launch dock
[11:52] <toxicfume> mkde: you are asking me to add the word "multiverse" after "universe" in the sources.list file?
[11:52] <JStrike> islander : That is not possible
[11:52] <mkde> toxicfume, yes, if you look on that page i linked you to, you will see it
[11:52] <spanglesontoast> does anyone know much about sound?
[11:52] <mkde> islander, you can try gdesklets
[11:52] <toxicfume> mkde: okay hoep that works, thanks :)
[11:52] <islander> what's that
[11:52] <JStrike> islander : You can try gdesklets, but that is very different
[11:52] <Fator_Dee> what's a "launchdock"?
[11:52] <toxicfume> mkde: do i edit it to look exactly like that page?
[11:52] <mkde> islander, i've never tried osx but i think it is related
[11:53] <JStrike> mkde : Not really
[11:53] <xiaogil> When I activate a wifi network with the command "iwconfig eth1 mode ad-hoc essid courambel key off; ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.1", the network is destected by other wifi computer, but they can't access to the server of my computer (while this server is accessible when using ethernet cable), what can I do ?
[11:53] <mkde> toxicfume, yes you can do, unless there are any external repositories that you want to keep
[11:53] <mkde> JStrike, ok
[11:53] <mkde> never used OSX
[11:53] <jacquesmerde> i cant find a log file for synaptic...is there one? i want to delete a metapackage, and i can't work out how to do so automatically...
[11:54] <islander> How can I install gdesklet
[11:54] <spanglesontoast> whos an alsa expert here?
[11:54] <mkde> jacquesmerde, you can use the program "debfoster" to remove reverse depdencies of a (meta)package
[11:54] <eyequeue> jacquesmerde:  no log in synaptic or apt-get, only with aptitude
[11:54] <Fator_Dee> islander: start up synaptic and search from it
[11:55] <holycow> jacquesmerde, apt-get remove --purge metapackagename doesn't work?
[11:55] <holycow> sudo even
[11:55] <mkde> holycow, that won't work
[11:55] <islander> how can I start up synaptic
[11:55] <mkde> doesn't remove reverse dependencies
[11:55] <eyequeue> holycow:  that would only remove the metapacakge, not any of the things it pulls in as dependecies
[11:55] <mkde> islander, from the menu, System -> Admin -> Synaptic Package Manager
[11:55] <Fator_Dee> islander: it's in the menus, upper left corner
[11:55] <JStrike> islander : You cant make Linux look like mac os x untill there is a hardware accelerated X sever
[11:55] <SilentKiller> i need to boot ubuntu from a usb drive. any suggestions ?
[11:56] <jacquesmerde> holycow, didnt try it. mkde, is your way better?
[11:56] <lonewolff> SilentKiller: should be alright if your bios supports booting from usb, if nott you might wanna have grub on cd/floppy
[11:56] <mkde> jacquesmerde, i don't know, i'm not familiar with aptitude
[11:56] <JStrike> islander : gdesklets can give you a crappy launcher thing that is not the same as os x's, and widgets that are similar to Dashboard
[11:56] <eyequeue> islander:  i've been looking for a url, but unfortunately i can't find it now.  i do know there are GDM and Gnome themes made to mimic OSX
[11:56] <spanglesontoast> have we actually got an alsa expert here?
[11:57] <mkde> spanglesontoast, doesn't look like it. But you could try asking your question anyway
[11:57] <Fator_Dee> spanglesontoast: maybe, but he/she could be sleeping right now :-p
[11:57] <jacquesmerde> holycow, tried it. didnt work!
[11:57] <eyequeue> spanglesontoast:  someone may happen to know your specific situation though
[11:57] <SilentKiller> lonewolff: when you say "should be alright", what exactly do you mean? i am pretty much a newbie to ubuntu. so if i can get some article/guide/manual on doing that, it would be awesome
[11:57] <spanglesontoast> well basically I need to switch my drivers around
[11:58] <spanglesontoast> so that my default is my motherboard
[11:58] <spanglesontoast> onboard
[11:58] <islander> I went to the place, but I could not found the gdesklets
[11:58] <spanglesontoast> rather than the pci one
[11:58] <JStrike> islander : You are being stubborn. But go ahead
[11:59] <Fator_Dee> islander: go to the repository dialog (options IIRC?) and enable universe and multiverse
[11:59] <lonewolff> SilentKiller: well the ubuntu installer will see the usb key and providing there is enough space will install to it, if your bios supports booting from usb it should boot grub, i remember seeing a howto somewhere, gimme a minute
[11:59] <mkde> probably gdesklets is in universe
[11:59] <islander> no I could not found what you said, but I just want to make linux more suitable
[11:59] <eyequeue> islander:  gdesklets are in universe
[11:59] <mkde> islander, universe is a secondary ubuntu archive, you need to enable it
[11:59] <JStrike> islander : More suitable to what?
[11:59] <spanglesontoast> how do I specify aliases?
[11:59] <spanglesontoast> where is the file for doing so