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| jeff25 | heh | 12:52 |
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| jeff25 | I just made fluxbox-0.9.13.deb for hoary | 12:53 |
| jeff25 | with no bugs! | 12:53 |
| jeff25 | it's fast as hell too | 12:54 |
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| herve | nighty night! | 01:11 |
| \sh | re | 01:31 |
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| trulux | ajmitch: really? | 02:13 |
| ajmitch | ? | 02:14 |
| trulux | ajmitch: hmmm, It sounds like today is the best day to fsck me or something alike! :D | 02:14 |
| trulux | ajmitch: pappy-, tseng, you, any one wants more fun? | 02:14 |
| tseng | no, I dont | 02:14 |
| trulux | ajmitch: last thing before I go for the rest of time: | 02:14 |
| tseng | I want to be able to say what I want in a +s channel and have it stay there | 02:14 |
| ajmitch | why drag -motu into it now? | 02:15 |
| trulux | once a time, a smart man said that those who were limited in certain conditions, and suffered the feeling of such limitations, even if they were enemies, would get tovgether against a growing entity that made their limitations even more clear and notable | 02:15 |
| trulux | and they killed the man who had the empire in his hands. again, humans do the same mistake again | 02:16 |
| trulux | now I must have real work done | 02:16 |
| trulux | have a nice day you all | 02:16 |
| ajmitch | good bye | 02:16 |
| trulux | ajmitch: yes, just taking my marbles | 02:17 |
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| trulux | looks like I've been messing around with the wrong people ;) | 02:17 |
| trulux | I need French people, really | 02:17 |
| trulux | they keep close to the poit and not suck as others do when real things are going on | 02:17 |
| trulux | lah | 02:18 |
| \sh | g'night | 02:21 |
| trulux | \sh: I'll keep working a few kenrel stuff here and coding poc for my LSM 2005 speech, found a friendly and very skillful French guy to work with for it | 02:27 |
| === trulux chuckles | ||
| trulux | ajmitch: let's keep personal stuff out of the way. how's it going anyways? | 02:28 |
| trulux | we need the UI stuff done anyways | 02:28 |
| trulux | \sh: looks like I will end giving a fuck to all the distro related stuff, and keep my upstream work... | 02:30 |
| trulux | heh | 02:30 |
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| ajmitch | hmm, he didn't even give me a chance to reply :) | 02:45 |
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| mgalvin | hi all | 06:56 |
| mgalvin | what might be a good/the best way to go about packaging an app the is already complied | 06:57 |
| mgalvin | i packaged the nvidia-cg-toolkit which comes already in bin form | 06:58 |
| mgalvin | i created a deb from the rpm for now, but I am curious about what the recommended method would be to package the deb the right way from the tarball | 06:59 |
| mgalvin | also in reg lib packages, should the pkg-config files go in the lib or in lib-dev? | 07:08 |
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| ogra | http://www.kofler.cc/ubuntu.html | 09:41 |
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| ogra | !!!!! | 09:41 |
| crimmy | heh | 09:43 |
| ogra | kofler is the best german linux author ever.... its just impressing | 09:44 |
| crimmy | :) | 09:44 |
| siretart | great! :) | 10:07 |
| siretart | morning, btw ;) | 10:07 |
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| siretart | how to prevent pbuilder to cleanup the buildplace after failiure? | 11:30 |
| \sh | --preserve-buildplace | 11:31 |
| siretart | thnx | 11:32 |
| siretart | huh? cp: cannot create regular file `/var/cache/pbuilder/build//etc/hosts': No such file or directory | 11:35 |
| siretart | somethings very weird going on here | 11:36 |
| siretart | It will clean up the build place on failure, or after a successful build. | 11:36 |
| siretart | so not that what I wanted.. | 11:37 |
| \sh | hmmm. | 11:44 |
| siretart | experimenting with hooks now | 11:46 |
| siretart | hooks worked, I forgot libxinerama-dev :( | 11:49 |
| \sh | siretart: how? | 12:01 |
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| siretart | \sh: installed a hook with "sleep 600" | 12:06 |
| \sh | ah :) understand :) | 12:08 |
| \sh | updating my new packages to breezy | 12:09 |
| DanielN | morning guys :) | 12:11 |
| siretart | hi DanielN | 12:17 |
| \sh | hey DanielN | 12:19 |
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| tseng | hi | 12:48 |
| \sh | moins tseng | 12:49 |
| \sh | argl...daniel removed my voice on -devel | 12:50 |
| tseng | he did warn you. | 12:50 |
| \sh | tseng: i told him it was the last thing i said :) and now its over..period. | 12:50 |
| tseng | eh. | 12:51 |
| \sh | and I'm not blaiming him ... it was my fault.. | 12:51 |
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| tseng | hi ogra! | 01:02 |
| ogra | hey tseng | 01:03 |
| tseng | we have __thread :) | 01:03 |
| ogra | yeah !!! | 01:03 |
| \sh | moins ogra | 01:05 |
| ogra | hi \sh | 01:05 |
| tseng | " Fix db2 dllmap" hmm i dont remember what this is | 01:05 |
| ogra | heh, moins ? i'm up since 7 | 01:05 |
| ogra | tseng, at least its fixed ;) | 01:06 |
| tseng | its not afaik | 01:06 |
| tseng | <dllmap dll="db2cli" target="libdb2_36.so"/> | 01:06 |
| \sh | ogra: i was up at 10;) | 01:06 |
| ogra | lazy guy | 01:07 |
| ogra | :) | 01:07 |
| \sh | ogra: brain reset yesterday :) and new nifty toys :) | 01:07 |
| tseng | we dont seem to depend on libdb2 | 01:07 |
| \sh | lemme build this kvim replacement named yzis | 01:08 |
| tseng | /lib/libdb.so.3 ugh wth is this | 01:08 |
| === ogra wonders if he should go to http://2005.guadec.org/schedule/gnometalks.html#gtksharp | ||
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| tseng | that sounds fun | 01:09 |
| tseng | it would wizz past me though, i am not an OOP guy at all | 01:09 |
| ogra | i'm not really intrested... but the other things are even less tempting.... | 01:10 |
| \sh | ogra: please go and inform me later about the results...i think this is a much nicer attempt then gtkmm ;) | 01:11 |
| \sh | ok..njam is now ready to publish :) | 01:16 |
| ogra | \sh, i'm not really intrested in mono programming, only in packaging, i'll stay with python ;) | 01:17 |
| ogra | but its probably helpful to know some gtk# for fixing bugs in the packages, so i'll go | 01:18 |
| tseng | BenM and I are going to fix *every* gtk# bug | 01:20 |
| tseng | :P | 01:20 |
| \sh | siretart: ping | 01:20 |
| ogra | tseng, even the ones in the software ? | 01:21 |
| tseng | heh. | 01:21 |
| tseng | we will start by submitting dllmap bugs upstream | 01:22 |
| tseng | those are the most annoying to packagers | 01:22 |
| ogra | ok, i ,need to find some lunch to survive the day.... i'll be here later again.... | 01:22 |
| tseng | cya | 01:22 |
| ogra | bye | 01:22 |
| tseng | holy crap i can search on malone | 01:25 |
| tseng | :D | 01:25 |
| Amaranth | miguel keynote in 30 minutes | 01:28 |
| Amaranth | woo | 01:28 |
| tseng | hm i should try the fluendo stream | 01:28 |
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| Amaranth | that's what i'm on | 01:29 |
| Amaranth | like i could actually afford to go, pfft | 01:29 |
| tseng | what room? | 01:29 |
| tseng | oh | 01:29 |
| tseng | duh. | 01:29 |
| Amaranth | the one that says it's for keynotes ;) | 01:29 |
| tseng | wth | 01:29 |
| tseng | how do i open the stream in totem? | 01:29 |
| Amaranth | it says how | 01:29 |
| tseng | i dont want a bunch of java/activex crap | 01:29 |
| tseng | ah oh that page | 01:30 |
| Amaranth | you have to jump through hoops | 01:30 |
| Amaranth | http://stream.fluendo.com:8900/ | 01:30 |
| tseng | totem plugin ++ | 01:30 |
| Amaranth | had that, trashed my prolile | 01:30 |
| Amaranth | what's the symlink again? | 01:30 |
| tseng | the what? | 01:30 |
| Amaranth | to symlink the totem plugin into ~/.mozilla/plugins so it works | 01:31 |
| tseng | i did no such thing. | 01:32 |
| Nafallo | kewl | 01:34 |
| Nafallo | works in totem-xine :-) | 01:34 |
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| herve | yo! | 01:38 |
| tseng | hi. | 01:38 |
| Nafallo | hi herve :-) | 01:38 |
| Amaranth | Nafallo: works in xine, mplayer, vlc, gstreamer, probably even helix | 01:43 |
| Amaranth | of course, helix player and real player are worthless now that fluendo got the rights to ship a real plugin | 01:43 |
| Nafallo | Amaranth: oki. what room is that btw? | 01:45 |
| Amaranth | Nafallo: the one that says it's for keynotes ;) | 01:45 |
| Nafallo | Amaranth: hehe, k | 01:46 |
| === Nafallo starts planning his stream-day ;-) | ||
| \sh | hey herve | 01:49 |
| Amaranth | it's time | 01:55 |
| herve | doko: it seems you found with python2.3 lost readline features? | 01:59 |
| tseng | i saw ogra and seb on the feed :) | 02:01 |
| tseng | Amaranth: is he talking? | 02:04 |
| tseng | i have no sound yet | 02:04 |
| Amaranth | no | 02:04 |
| Amaranth | he blew into the mic once or twice | 02:04 |
| Amaranth | i'm not there, i'm watching the stream | 02:04 |
| tseng | well so am I | 02:04 |
| Amaranth | yeah | 02:04 |
| Amaranth | you can tell it's on because he blew lightly into the mic once or twice | 02:04 |
| Amaranth | probably taking deep breaths :D | 02:04 |
| herve | what are you talking about? | 02:05 |
| Amaranth | http://stream.fluendo.com:8900/ | 02:05 |
| Amaranth | miguel's guadec keynote | 02:06 |
| Amaranth | starting any minute now | 02:06 |
| tseng | bwar | 02:06 |
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| herve | "matthew's ubuntu review" | 02:27 |
| herve | that document is interesting | 02:27 |
| tseng | "interesting" is loose there | 02:29 |
| tseng | f-spot! | 02:30 |
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| herve | ;-) | 02:31 |
| tseng | "of course i only listed the mono ones, because i want to indoctrineate you" | 02:37 |
| tseng | man | 02:37 |
| herve | well, I'm installing f-spot at that time ;-) | 02:39 |
| Treenaks | <3 tv-out | 02:45 |
| herve | use ubuntu ;-) | 02:51 |
| tseng | yes! | 02:51 |
| Nafallo | :-D | 02:51 |
| herve | well, "buy nokia", but they also support software patents... | 02:52 |
| tseng | if you are a company like nokia in the US | 02:52 |
| tseng | you have to | 02:52 |
| tseng | to protect yourself from ibm and microsoft patents | 02:52 |
| tseng | and sun | 02:52 |
| herve | I mean in the EU | 02:53 |
| herve | they are lobbying | 02:53 |
| Nafallo | lol. I shouldn't show you this: but I do it live for the whole internet ;-). | 02:57 |
| herve | we're only 1000, no big deal ;-) | 02:57 |
| tseng | it will be for download later, at least I hope so | 02:57 |
| tseng | so I can blog the best lines | 02:58 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 02:58 |
| tseng | "dont buy novell, just use ubuntu" | 02:58 |
| herve | what novell os is based on? | 02:58 |
| tseng | suse | 02:58 |
| tseng | well, novell linux desktop | 02:58 |
| tseng | novell netware is its own | 02:59 |
| === herve fool | ||
| herve | of course they bought suse;.. | 02:59 |
| tseng | was that mark? | 02:59 |
| Amaranth | seb or orga just asked that question? | 02:59 |
| Amaranth | oh, or mark | 03:00 |
| tseng | no seb and ogra are in the back | 03:00 |
| tseng | he was looking in the other direction from them | 03:00 |
| Amaranth | any other canonical guys there? | 03:01 |
| Nafallo | damn is he right about that :-). tetris rocks ;-). | 03:01 |
| herve | wow, I got several seconds of lag! | 03:02 |
| Amaranth | i was dropping audio for awhile | 03:02 |
| tseng | i dropped the whole thing | 03:02 |
| tseng | im off for a bit | 03:02 |
| Nafallo | turn off all downloads/uploads and it works for me ;-) | 03:02 |
| herve | yes, I dropped mono install | 03:03 |
| Nafallo | yay! lot's of ubuntupushing ;-) | 03:05 |
| herve | we must admit ubuntu has a rocking mono team! | 03:06 |
| Nafallo | indeed :-) | 03:06 |
| Nafallo | hmm, gst or selinux :-P | 03:06 |
| herve | all those geeks carrying their laptop :-) | 03:07 |
| Amaranth | i chose gst, but it seems to suck | 03:07 |
| Amaranth | :P | 03:07 |
| Amaranth | you can't see the slides | 03:08 |
| Amaranth | ah, they fixed it | 03:08 |
| Nafallo | hmm, the cam @ selinux sucks ;-) | 03:08 |
| Nafallo | the sound even... | 03:08 |
| Amaranth | the gst one was too bright | 03:09 |
| Amaranth | "people are still coming in" | 03:09 |
| Amaranth | hehe, he started right on time, the keynote ran over | 03:09 |
| Amaranth | is the selinux one very exciting? | 03:12 |
| Nafallo | not yet ;-) | 03:12 |
| Amaranth | Kamion is doing it, right? | 03:12 |
| Nafallo | ehm, no? Colin Walters | 03:13 |
| Amaranth | oh, wrong last name ;) | 03:13 |
| Treenaks | Colin Walters != Colin Watson | 03:13 |
| Amaranth | i just glanced at the page on my way to the gstreamer link | 03:13 |
| === Nafallo has the page open ;-) | ||
| \sh | hmmm.. | 03:13 |
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| \sh | anyone has experience with debarchiver? | 03:14 |
| herve | I certainly hope sessions will be available for downloa | 03:17 |
| Amaranth | two hours until the next session i want to see | 03:17 |
| Amaranth | tomorrow looks exciting | 03:18 |
| Nafallo | yay! Mark :-) | 03:18 |
| === Nafallo shall set his alarmclock | ||
| Amaranth | yeah, and project topaz | 03:19 |
| herve | where did you find the stream url? | 03:19 |
| Amaranth | shit, mark's keynote is 4:30am here | 03:19 |
| Nafallo | http://stream.fluendo.com/guadec/ | 03:19 |
| herve | yeah but how did you find it? :)- | 03:20 |
| Nafallo | herve: click on "See the stream (autodetection)" :-) | 03:21 |
| herve | I mean, from the guadec website | 03:21 |
| herve | I couldn't find any link to the streams | 03:21 |
| Amaranth | oh | 03:21 |
| Amaranth | thomas gave it to me | 03:21 |
| Amaranth | thomasvs | 03:22 |
| herve | hmm... a big issue of their site then | 03:22 |
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| herve | yo ogra! | 03:26 |
| tseng | hi ogra ! | 03:26 |
| ogra | hey guys | 03:26 |
| tseng | ogra: you and seb were in the camera for awhile :) | 03:26 |
| tseng | before the talk started | 03:26 |
| ogra | yep, dholbach told us :) | 03:27 |
| tseng | :D | 03:27 |
| ogra | the mono talk was quite intresting | 03:27 |
| tseng | miguel is the best | 03:27 |
| ogra | he mentioned the mono/ubuntu live cd quite often ;) | 03:27 |
| tseng | oh a different talk? | 03:28 |
| ogra | (with always mentioning that its ubuntu based) | 03:28 |
| ogra | nope, the same | 03:28 |
| tseng | hm i turned it off too soon I guess | 03:28 |
| ogra | in the end he only talked about mono... | 03:28 |
| tseng | i liked when someone asked about fedora | 03:28 |
| ogra | hehe | 03:28 |
| tseng | and he said, just use ubuntu | 03:28 |
| tseng | :) we rock. | 03:28 |
| ogra | YOU rock ;) | 03:28 |
| Amaranth | http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg-0.7.png <--does it seem obvious to you guys what everything here means? | 03:28 |
| Amaranth | tseng: any updates on getting mono into main? | 03:29 |
| tseng | i dunno no one updated the seeds that I saw | 03:29 |
| ogra | Amaranth, its already in | 03:29 |
| tseng | but i am falling behind on breezy-changes | 03:29 |
| ogra | just waiting that dbus gets rebuilt | 03:29 |
| tseng | there is too much mail | 03:29 |
| Amaranth | ok, the dbus thing is what i was getting at | 03:29 |
| ogra | just jump over the auto updater mails teng | 03:30 |
| tseng | 03:31 | |
| tseng | Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe mono 1.1.7-0ubuntu5 [1182B] | 03:31 |
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| Amaranth | yeah... | 03:31 |
| siretart | \sh: pong | 03:33 |
| \sh | siretart: hey | 03:34 |
| \sh | siretart: check njam :) its on ubuntu.linux-server.org I moved html/ now to usr/share/doc/njam | 03:35 |
| \sh | I want to setup an package archive with debarchiver...and I want the packages sorted just like ubuntu is doing is...so breezy/main breezy/universe etc, | 03:35 |
| \sh | but I don | 03:35 |
| \sh | 't find any howto for it...debarchiver is running :) but not as i want | 03:36 |
| herve | Amaranth, about your picture, it looks fine, but I'll place the "new" buttons where appropriate | 03:36 |
| herve | ie, "new menu" below the menu panel | 03:36 |
| Amaranth | well, maybe i should show another screenshot :) | 03:37 |
| herve | tseng, what about using gmane news or rss features for breezy-changes? | 03:37 |
| herve | \sh, I can help you setting up a "dist+pool" archive | 03:38 |
| herve | but I'm not sure what you need | 03:38 |
| Amaranth | herve: http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg-0.7-2.png | 03:39 |
| Amaranth | that's why i didn't put the buttons like that | 03:39 |
| herve | ha ok | 03:39 |
| herve | I see your point | 03:39 |
| \sh | herve: something like ubuntu has...the sorting should be also dist/main dist/universe etc. | 03:39 |
| herve | but I insist on mine, menus still are on the left :)- | 03:40 |
| Amaranth | they're on the right too | 03:40 |
| herve | \sh, http://deb.oursours.net/ubuntu | 03:40 |
| herve | Amaranth, it's a special case | 03:40 |
| \sh | herve: thats it | 03:40 |
| herve | \sh, well, I only have universe here, but could be | 03:40 |
| \sh | herve: debarchiver or some other software? | 03:41 |
| herve | by hand :-) | 03:41 |
| herve | ho no | 03:41 |
| herve | apt-ftparchive | 03:41 |
| herve | or some name like thayt | 03:41 |
| herve | you'll find all the scripts in the ubuntu directoryu | 03:42 |
| \sh | i wonder how the sorting is done from upload to apt-gettable archives...what is the key to decide which package belongs to main which to universe etc. | 03:42 |
| === herve should remove his gloves to type... | ||
| herve | haaa, sorry | 03:42 |
| herve | there are some .override files in the ubuntu archive, afair | 03:43 |
| Nafallo | my wlandriver causes lag :-/ | 03:45 |
| Amaranth | herve: http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg-0.7-3.png | 03:46 |
| Amaranth | like that? | 03:46 |
| herve | Amaranth, yes | 03:47 |
| Amaranth | ok, now that vs http://www.realistanew.com/images/smeg/smeg-0.6.png | 03:47 |
| Amaranth | which looks better? | 03:47 |
| \sh | herve: lemme check apt-ftparchive | 03:47 |
| \sh | debarchiver can work with it | 03:48 |
| herve | Amaranth, you removed the special of menus at the place of entries, which I liked | 03:48 |
| herve | like | 03:48 |
| Amaranth | ? | 03:48 |
| Amaranth | 0.6 is the last version, trying to make sure i'm actually making something better here :) | 03:49 |
| herve | and you're developping 0.7? | 03:49 |
| Amaranth | yeah | 03:50 |
| herve | ok, I understand why the separator button appear :)- | 03:50 |
| Amaranth | which is better: 0.7 or 0.6? | 03:50 |
| Amaranth | looks, not features | 03:50 |
| Amaranth | i'm hoping to be able to consider this release feature complete, so i need to get it right | 03:51 |
| herve | hmm... | 03:51 |
| Amaranth | personally i hated the visible column in the menus | 03:52 |
| Amaranth | but it's slightly more work to show/hide a menu now | 03:52 |
| herve | yes, 0.7 has a better look | 03:52 |
| Amaranth | actually, it doesn't matter, i have to go with 0.7 :P | 03:52 |
| siretart | \sh: i had a look at your package. I assume you are aware about the lintian warnings, yes? | 03:52 |
| Amaranth | otherwise separators and moving things around won't be possible at all | 03:52 |
| Amaranth | i'm going to be the first to nail calum's sketch of what a menu editor should look like | 03:52 |
| siretart | \sh: besides the lintian warnings and errors, I think the package is fine | 03:53 |
| herve | Amaranth, hooray for 0.7! | 03:53 |
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| \sh | siretart: yeah...it will be fixed just now | 03:56 |
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| siretart | \sh: did you make any progress at arkrpg? | 04:36 |
| \sh | siretart: no :( | 04:37 |
| siretart | \sh: I looked at it, but I think its really weird. Types from included source are "unknown" at several places. Placing forward declaration is a workaround at some places, but not everywhere | 04:37 |
| \sh | in the end i will rewrite this bloody rules fule | 04:37 |
| \sh | siretart: the problem is more, that configure is totally broken | 04:37 |
| \sh | the tests for xlibs and xincludes are failing | 04:37 |
| siretart | \sh: I think there goes something really wrong with the preprocessor | 04:37 |
| \sh | and this I can only overcome with autoreconf | 04:38 |
| \sh | but i don't know where to inject this..tried configure target doesn | 04:38 |
| siretart | hm. really strange. but it is also heavily patched by the DD | 04:38 |
| \sh | 't work... | 04:38 |
| \sh | i tried update-config hook | 04:38 |
| \sh | no luck either | 04:38 |
| siretart | really really weird package.. | 04:39 |
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| tseng | herzi: i tried gmane rss for ubuntu-security and it seemed a little wonky | 04:42 |
| trulux | tseng: where's mpt? | 04:42 |
| tseng | trulux: miguel was talking about his work at guadec | 04:42 |
| tseng | trulux: i very rarely see mpt on irc. | 04:42 |
| ogra | tseng, whats the rl for the livestream ? | 04:42 |
| ogra | url even | 04:43 |
| tseng | one sec | 04:43 |
| tseng | its on planet gnome | 04:43 |
| trulux | tseng: mpt != Miguel, I mean the usability master | 04:43 |
| tseng | thats waht I said | 04:43 |
| tseng | miguel was talking about the mpt usability study I mean | 04:43 |
| ogra | tseng, i missed the gtk# talk in favor of a long chat with andrew towbridge ;) | 04:43 |
| tseng | ogra: not john trowbridge? | 04:43 |
| ogra | err, yes | 04:44 |
| tseng | nice :) | 04:44 |
| trulux | tseng: BTW, I feel cool enough to talk now (/query, even phone) about what happened yesterday, but I don't expect a lot to get solved regarding the other folks | 04:44 |
| ogra | i'm bad at names ;) | 04:44 |
| tseng | trulux: i was just miffed that you went around my friends to work on hardened-gentoo, and I flamed you | 04:44 |
| tseng | trulux: i wish it could have stayed in a private place, but its over now | 04:45 |
| tseng | hm who has mono 1.1.7-0ubuntu5 and muine? | 04:48 |
| tseng | ogra: anything interesting come up? | 04:50 |
| tseng | ogra: i like trow | 04:50 |
| ogra | yep, he's nice | 04:50 |
| ogra | they'll get amd64 boxen eventually | 04:50 |
| ogra | and he told me that they use ubuntu internally quite often *g* | 04:52 |
| tseng | yep | 04:53 |
| tseng | thats why they all bug me so much about the packaging :P | 04:53 |
| tseng | they have been building stuff from svn :( | 04:53 |
| ogra | yep | 04:53 |
| tseng | there will be a party at novell when breezy is released for sure :) | 04:53 |
| ogra | but i guess he wouldnt say that officially :) | 04:53 |
| ogra | the mono live CD isnt officially by novell... its just a subproject :/ | 04:54 |
| tseng | it wasnt done by anyone at novell | 04:57 |
| trulux | tseng: your friends? I just said true and strong facts over your fascist lead. I don't accept the abuse of authority, if a lead can't give candor to his co-workers, then he's not the lead, he's a fascist asshole. Keep that in mind. | 04:58 |
| tseng | trulux: noted, thanks. | 04:58 |
| ogra | trulux, may i remind you of the code of conduct please ? | 04:59 |
| trulux | tseng: now, I would like to go back to our work, that thing once a time we wanted to do together | 04:59 |
| tseng | happy coding | 04:59 |
| trulux | ogra: sorry if it sounds stupid, but, that one I sent signed by hand in a FAX to Mako? | 04:59 |
| trulux | ogra: *sigh* | 05:00 |
| ogra | trulux, faschist asshole isnt appropriate wording for an ubuntu channel, no matter in which context if you titel someone wih it | 05:00 |
| ogra | so please keep it friendly in here or we have to do something against it.... which i wouldnt like... | 05:01 |
| trulux | ogra: sorry, I'm neither politically correct or respectful to those who aren't with me | 05:01 |
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| trulux | ogra: please, just a thing, I will keep closer to the CC, but don't do that. just do it if you are going to feel proud | 05:02 |
| ogra | trulux, i dont know whats going on between tseng and you currently (didnt follow ubuntu-hardened) but please keep it outside of this channel | 05:02 |
| trulux | ogra: he's not even in -hardened. I even wonder what he wants really | 05:02 |
| trulux | ogra: it's slightly related to Ubuntu, as tseng said names of other people | 05:03 |
| ogra | trulux, no idea, but watch your wording please, thats all... | 05:03 |
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| trulux | ogra: sure, if you mean that I can say fascist with other words, then great. no willing to disturb around | 05:04 |
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| trulux | ajmitch: ping | 05:06 |
| herve | just seen gnomevfs-mount, seems nice | 05:08 |
| tseng | herve: something other than drivemount_applet? | 05:09 |
| herve | you can mount http://somewebsite/ as an example | 05:10 |
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| ogra | trulux, please keep this wording completely out of here... i'm german, i react pretty sensitive to this word !! i wouldnt like to ban you or anyone from here | 05:13 |
| trulux | ogra: I'm Spanish, my country has sufferred fascism for more than 30 years of continuous abuse, a Civil war which dividided our society in two parts, and now, in nowdays, shiny-sucking-great-world, fascism is getting all over the place again in form of politicakly-correct jerks, business men and globalizing morons. | 05:19 |
| Nafallo | anyone else have problems with the guadec streams? they buffer and loose sound all the time. | 05:20 |
| trulux | I react pretty sensitive to this SHIT, 'cos members of my family gave their life and beliefs to make this a better country | 05:20 |
| tseng | Nafallo: yep its a bit choppy in spots | 05:20 |
| trulux | ogra: in other words, I don't know you, but I'm sure I have an huge amount of facts to throw over that statement | 05:20 |
| trulux | ogra: and more important, nevern. never try to let me think/believe that I can't fascist in a channel which Free Software development takes place | 05:21 |
| trulux | ogra: If you put atenttion, I get hard once you get hard against me, I get closer to be upset once you try to say you can ban and close my mouth, and I get much more decent and worthy tosay what I'm saying when you and others try to abuse of such facts | 05:22 |
| trulux | just that | 05:22 |
| trulux | I'm here willing help, don't make me willing to blow you up | 05:23 |
| ogra | please just stop it | 05:23 |
| trulux | ogra: your choice now, I've taken alrady the decision | 05:23 |
| siretart | please, everyone. stop it. start /ignoring. This channel is about improving a linux distribution for humans | 05:26 |
| siretart | this discussion is not helping anyone | 05:26 |
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| tseng | wb mgalvin | 05:26 |
| mgalvin | hi | 05:27 |
| \sh | siretart: i'm having a closer look to debian dak :) (katie) :) | 05:27 |
| trulux | siretart: thanks for the advice, we're humans (and biased by meaning), yup. | 05:27 |
| trulux | ;) | 05:27 |
| \sh | siretart: it should help you to get your project running | 05:27 |
| trulux | ogra: Already feeling the power? | 05:27 |
| ogra | please just stop it | 05:27 |
| trulux | ogra: sure | 05:28 |
| ogra | fine | 05:28 |
| siretart | \sh: ah great. the problem is, right now I havn't time to discuss this. | 05:28 |
| siretart | \sh: lets discuss this later the week, I'll try to write something done in the wiki or at least as email to have something to discuss | 05:29 |
| trulux | ogra: do you anything about pitti? is he enjoying the weekend? | 05:29 |
| ogra | sure | 05:30 |
| trulux | ogra: where can I find the url to the current breezy 2.6.12 sources (tarball)? | 05:30 |
| ogra | he doesnt work on sundays | 05:30 |
| \sh | siretart: yeah...its quite a huge package full of python magic ;) | 05:30 |
| ogra | no idea, cant you take the source pkg ? | 05:30 |
| \sh | *grmpf* | 05:32 |
| \sh | could anyone ask on -devel if anyone is there to help with katie? | 05:32 |
| ogra | \sh, try to ping elmo | 05:33 |
| siretart | \sh: I'm not really sure if a full blown dak is really needed. I think that a mini-dinstall could suffice | 05:33 |
| siretart | \sh: I think mentors.debian.net is running mini-dinstall with hooks, too | 05:33 |
| trulux | ogra: ok, will do. it's just that I'm on Hoary riught now | 05:35 |
| tseng | you can just grab the sources off packages.ubuntu.com | 05:35 |
| siretart | trulux: look at http://packages.ubuntu.com/linux-source-2.6.12 there you can download the source package | 05:35 |
| \sh | siretart: lets check it out .) | 05:36 |
| trulux | siretart: many thanks, rock :) | 05:36 |
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| siretart | gotta leave. cu tomorrow! | 05:45 |
| Nafallo | siretart: see you :-) | 05:45 |
| mgalvin | what might be the best way to package pre-built binaries, i made a deb of the nvidia-cg-toolkit from the rpm but would like to create a proper deb, does anyone know of maybe a good example package | 05:46 |
| herve | pre-built binaries? seems like non free software too me :-) | 05:51 |
| mgalvin | yea, it not, its nvidias cg compiler an runtime, no source from them :-/ | 05:51 |
| herve | so I guess it means "copying" the binary in the usr/bin directory of the tree? | 05:53 |
| mgalvin | correct | 05:53 |
| mgalvin | I also have the cegui package built, and up on the wiki as needs review | 05:56 |
| herve | I wish I had so much time | 05:58 |
| mgalvin | i was up late last night ;) | 05:59 |
| mgalvin | i am having some fun learning all this stuff, and been looking at other packages getting a feel for how things are done | 06:01 |
| herve | that's how I do too | 06:01 |
| herve | that and asking of course :)- | 06:01 |
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| ogra | bye.... dinner time.... | 06:20 |
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| hondje | Hi guys. Are there any official ubuntu cflags I should use when making a package? | 07:01 |
| \sh | hondje: the build tools will detect them selfs from deb configuration | 07:03 |
| hondje | ah, voodoo :) | 07:03 |
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| herve | cflags? | 07:11 |
| herve | I'm not sure what it is, but the policy said something about -fPIC or something | 07:11 |
| trulux | herve: CFLAGS set the specific compiler options for the object code being compiled and later linked to the final binary using the LDFLAGS | 07:20 |
| trulux | herve: -fPIC is needed in certain architectures to make libraries working, thus, if there's conflict with it, you must set -fPIC only for LDFLAGS | 07:21 |
| DanielN | \sh: thanks for your great local apt-repo howto, found on your wiki-page. it's nice! | 07:21 |
| trulux | hence, only the libraries will be PIC | 07:21 |
| trulux | herve: ;) | 07:21 |
| herve | yeah, yeah... like I knew the policy by heart :)- | 07:24 |
| herve | but thanks trulux for the reminder | 07:24 |
| herve | pic for libs because libs are picky ;)- | 07:25 |
| herve | and herve will coordinate his fingers some day... | 07:25 |
| herve | wow, I don't if the french people will make the eu explode overnight | 07:27 |
| herve | but we're already 2/3 to have voted, this has not be seen for decads | 07:27 |
| herve | decades | 07:28 |
| herve | some even say 3/4 | 07:28 |
| herve | and I read even more | 07:28 |
| trulux | herve: we must thank many things to French people, one of them that Bordeaux pretty nice girls | 07:29 |
| herve | I never went to bordeaux, but you should meet lyon one :)- | 07:30 |
| herve | ones | 07:30 |
| trulux | I'll do during the LSM 2005 | 07:30 |
| trulux | I'll be the little, younger puppet in the show, hopefully | 07:30 |
| trulux | I will try to look less wicked and perverted, and you'll see how them come around me ;) | 07:31 |
| herve | hmm the lsm will occur in dijon | 07:31 |
| herve | that reminds me I should organize myself for it | 07:31 |
| trulux | herve: I will need to get transport from Lyon to Dijon | 07:31 |
| trulux | herve: I hope to meet with you and other guys, Gentoo French conspiration will be there | 07:32 |
| herve | hehe | 07:32 |
| trulux | kang (one of the RSBAC guys).... long list | 07:32 |
| herve | why do I see french and conspiration in the same sentence? ;-) | 07:32 |
| herve | but I look forward to meeting you (and others?) | 07:32 |
| trulux | herve: sure ;D | 07:32 |
| trulux | herve: I hope to meet another guy there that could even help with the talk, but we need to organize it together | 07:33 |
| herve | right, you make a talk here | 07:33 |
| trulux | herve: I hope that Lyon / Bordeaux girls to be *not* a myth | 07:33 |
| trulux | yes | 07:33 |
| herve | hehe | 07:34 |
| trulux | hope to find there the typical guy who wants to make "difficult questions" 'cos his talk wasn't accepted | 07:34 |
| trulux | I always like those ones | 07:35 |
| herve | like "I could have done better" ? | 07:35 |
| trulux | herve: no, I mean the guy that tries to make you feeling nervous. It uses to happen when I appear, first they laugh at me, after the speech they shut up | 07:36 |
| trulux | herve: that's the funny part, when I ask where's the conference room | 07:37 |
| trulux | "Hahaha, we dunno" "OK, thanks anyways, we'll see later" | 07:37 |
| trulux | ;D | 07:37 |
| trulux | I hope to get cheap plane tickets | 07:38 |
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| trulux | at least the funding part seems to be solved, I think I will sleep in the university | 07:38 |
| trulux | herve: I will keep a good lock with me ;P | 07:38 |
| herve | ?? | 07:38 |
| trulux | herve: the university has a students building as most do, to let foreign ones to sleep there | 07:40 |
| trulux | herve: and the like | 07:40 |
| herve | hmm... I have not thought about the comodity part | 07:43 |
| herve | I know someone at dijon | 07:43 |
| herve | but not necessarly feasible | 07:43 |
| trulux | herve: don't worry, I will manage it | 07:45 |
| trulux | herve: btw, I forgot how to solve these GPG missing sec. ring errors on apt-get update | 07:45 |
| trulux | herve: secring.gpg on my /etc/apt right? | 07:46 |
| herve | hmm? | 07:46 |
| herve | mine is empty | 07:47 |
| trulux | W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: Couldn't access keyring: No such file or directory | 07:50 |
| trulux | W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: Couldn't access keyring: No such file or directory | 07:50 |
| trulux | W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Release: Couldn't access keyring: No such file or directory | 07:50 |
| trulux | lah, apt-key update | 07:50 |
| trulux | damn my ignorance | 07:50 |
| trulux | solved | 07:51 |
| trulux | ;) | 07:51 |
| herve | ha, hoary | 07:51 |
| trulux | my devel box needs to be stable | 07:52 |
| trulux | ;) | 07:52 |
| trulux | VMs and chroots are enough for Breezy | 07:52 |
| DanielN | herve: ure using breezy or what? | 07:52 |
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| herve | DanielN, yes | 07:54 |
| herve | and updated daily | 07:54 |
| herve | don't do this at home, kids! | 07:54 |
| DanielN | bleeding *shudder* | 07:54 |
| Nafallo | herve: already do. and updating hourly ;-) | 07:54 |
| herve | Nafallo, I knew my case wasn't the worst ;)- | 07:55 |
| herve | well, time to warm the oven! | 07:56 |
| DanielN | herve: you've inspired me .. installing hoary on VM to upgrade a breezy wild-badger :P | 07:58 |
| herve | ho no! | 07:58 |
| herve | I didn't say that! | 07:58 |
| herve | </disclaimer> | 07:58 |
| DanielN | herve: ???? | 07:58 |
| herve | ha, VM, the emulator? | 07:59 |
| DanielN | qemu | 07:59 |
| herve | one emulator, still | 08:00 |
| herve | ok, there you go! | 08:00 |
| DanielN | yep | 08:00 |
| trulux | DanielN: vmware rocks | 08:11 |
| DanielN | qemu is almost the same | 08:11 |
| DanielN | imho | 08:11 |
| trulux | DanielN: well, it can do other neat things, though, it doesn't achieve the performance and graceful effects of VMWare | 08:13 |
| DanielN | yeah .. of course your right .. but i don't wan't to pay for vmware | 08:13 |
| DanielN | if there's a suitable alternative | 08:14 |
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| ivoks | hi | 08:41 |
| \sh | siretart: ping | 08:43 |
| herve | hi ivoks | 08:43 |
| herve | how was slovenia? | 08:43 |
| ivoks | nice :) | 08:43 |
| ivoks | hot :) | 08:43 |
| herve | yeah, the weather :-) | 08:44 |
| ivoks | among other things :) | 08:47 |
| ivoks | good company and lots of nice topless girls :) | 08:52 |
| \sh | dinner time | 08:57 |
| trulux | bbl, going to watch the episode III in the cinema | 08:57 |
| trulux | happy hacking guys | 08:57 |
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| \sh | dinner was good and dr. who as well :) | 09:50 |
| herve | the old british series? | 09:51 |
| \sh | herve: the new british season :) dr. who 2005 | 09:53 |
| herve | I thought it stopped in late 70's ;-) | 09:53 |
| \sh | hehe...no i think in the 90's and 8 years later the 2005 series were made | 09:54 |
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| Nafallo | tseng: ping | 10:43 |
| Nafallo | tseng: blam crashes on updates cause it can't find gdk-x11-2.0. something wasn't pulled in correctly? | 10:44 |
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| herve | Nafallo, blam is a mono application? | 10:48 |
| Amaranth | yes | 10:49 |
| herve | read the topic :-) | 10:49 |
| herve | I can't run f-spot for the same reason | 10:50 |
| Amaranth | you can always get the dependencies yourself | 10:50 |
| Amaranth | btw, that topic was put up about a month ago ;) | 10:51 |
| herve | we've been... er, busy :-) | 10:51 |
| Amaranth | yeah :) | 10:51 |
| Amaranth | speaking of mono, any magic foo i can do to make dbus compile a mono binding on my system? | 10:51 |
| Amaranth | i'm not afraid of dpkg :) | 10:52 |
| Amaranth | i can't figure out what muine uses dbus for though | 10:52 |
| herve | getting events at folder change? | 10:53 |
| Amaranth | but what did they imagine would ever sent those events? | 10:54 |
| Amaranth | and why would it use dbus instead of inotify? :) | 10:55 |
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| MarioOs | hello | 10:57 |
| tseng | Nafallo: ... | 10:57 |
| tseng | Nafallo: did you read the topic? | 10:58 |
| tseng | Nafallo: also did you try my upload today | 10:58 |
| tseng | hm it failed | 10:59 |
| tseng | ah | 11:01 |
| tseng | lets fix that | 11:01 |
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| herve | well, I'm starting to like f-spot | 11:08 |
| saintsjd | Quick questionfrom a newbie: There is a package in Ubuntu universe called gdal. What can I do to make sure that it is fully supported and inclded in the main repository for the breezy release? | 11:09 |
| tseng | is there a reason it should be in main? | 11:09 |
| saintsjd | It is the base for many GIS packages that I would like to see included some day. For that it is important that it receives security updates. | 11:10 |
| Nafallo | tseng: Unhandled Exception: System.DllNotFoundException: gdk-x11-2.0 | 11:10 |
| Nafallo | tseng: you know what's wrong? | 11:10 |
| Nafallo | tseng: trying to update feeds in blam. | 11:10 |
| tseng | yes, I know whats wrong | 11:11 |
| tseng | i already uploaded a fix today but it failed on firefox name change | 11:11 |
| tseng | i uploaded again | 11:11 |
| tseng | try again later | 11:11 |
| tseng | and read the topic | 11:11 |
| herve | saintsjd, I think Ubuntu has a subproject for GIS | 11:11 |
| Nafallo | tseng: ahh, oki :-) | 11:11 |
| Amaranth | also, read the topics of #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu about using breezy ;) | 11:12 |
| tseng | if there is a bug in mono stuff, the chances are pretty good i already heard about it 6 times :P | 11:12 |
| saintsjd | herve: Yes, we are trying to start the GIS subproject | 11:12 |
| Nafallo | tseng: I've read the topic. I just thought I could install a missing package ;-). thanx anyway. | 11:12 |
| tseng | Nafallo: you can | 11:12 |
| tseng | Nafallo: libgtk2.0-dev | 11:12 |
| tseng | or you can wait for the fix to build | 11:12 |
| herve | saintsjd, hehe, then you'd better ask #ubuntu-devel | 11:12 |
| tseng | you can also just install this file | 11:12 |
| tseng | brandon@lappy:~/work/debian$ cat /usr/lib/blam/blam.exe.config | 11:13 |
| tseng | <configuration> | 11:13 |
| tseng | <dllmap dll="gdk-x11-2.0" target="libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0"/> | 11:13 |
| tseng | <dllmap dll="libX11" target="/usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6.2"/> | 11:13 |
| tseng | </configuration> | 11:13 |
| tseng | thats what I uploaded | 11:13 |
| Amaranth | shouldn't that be /usr/lib/X11? | 11:13 |
| tseng | it should not have the full path at all | 11:13 |
| tseng | i already fixed that too | 11:13 |
| Amaranth | well, no | 11:13 |
| tseng | i must have an old copy installed | 11:13 |
| tseng | but | 11:14 |
| tseng | just fix it | 11:14 |
| tseng | Amaranth: good catch, but im faster | 11:14 |
| Amaranth | hehe | 11:14 |
| Amaranth | did you ever figure out the tomboy stuff? | 11:14 |
| tseng | the icon? | 11:14 |
| Amaranth | yeah | 11:14 |
| tseng | i think i might just ship the 24x24 one | 11:14 |
| tseng | instead | 11:14 |
| Amaranth | if not i'll work on it after i get dbus back | 11:14 |
| tseng | i dont have time to learn how to do a bunch of hacky crap in gtk# | 11:14 |
| Amaranth | the reason i didn't last time is because you have tomboy.png.uu | 11:15 |
| tseng | dave does, yes | 11:15 |
| Amaranth | and i don't know what to replace that with, because i'll have two files called tomboy | 11:15 |
| Amaranth | well, whoever ;) | 11:15 |
| herve | night all! | 11:15 |
| Amaranth | night herve | 11:15 |
| Amaranth | d'oh | 11:15 |
| tseng | ideally someone will make nicer icons and alex will just release with them | 11:15 |
| tseng | he wants something lame that means "tomboy" and not "notes" | 11:16 |
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| tseng | oh and he swears more than I do | 11:16 |
| Amaranth | heh | 11:17 |
| Amaranth | you should see me when i find a nasty bug in smeg | 11:17 |
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| Amaranth | the name fits | 11:17 |
| saintsjd | How does one package end up in main repository and another in Universe? what is the difference between the two that makes them go to diffferent repositories? | 11:17 |
| tseng | saintsjd: one is probably something an application we want in the main desktop requires | 11:18 |
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| tseng | universe is the rest | 11:18 |
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| saintsjd | oh so universe is still "maintained" with security updates? | 11:19 |
| tseng | er | 11:19 |
| tseng | its "best effort" | 11:19 |
| Nafallo | saintsjd: yepp | 11:19 |
| saintsjd | if so, then gdal does not need to be in main. | 11:19 |
| tseng | you can help out by submitting security fixes also | 11:19 |
| Amaranth | does hoary-security even have a universe section? | 11:19 |
| tseng | yes. | 11:19 |
| tseng | there are a few guys working on it now | 11:20 |
| tseng | iirc Nafallo is one of them | 11:20 |
| tseng | or was it Burgandiva i guess | 11:20 |
| \sh | phew | 11:20 |
| saintsjd | "Best effort" would definitely do for GIS apps. They are not need by mainstream users. | 11:21 |
| saintsjd | In universe does security depend upon the best eforts of the maintainer of the package? or is there a full team to oversee? | 11:21 |
| Nafallo | yepp. /me, astharot, pitti AFAIK | 11:21 |
| crimmy | saintsjd: we don't really have maintainers, per se | 11:22 |
| Amaranth | we have teams for some things | 11:23 |
| Amaranth | the rest is just whoever is willing to work on it | 11:23 |
| tseng | yep | 11:23 |
| saintsjd | sounds like getting involved will be fairly straightforward then. This is a good thing. | 11:23 |
| Amaranth | like tseng, he's the mono man | 11:23 |
| tseng | <3 | 11:23 |
| tseng | i accept help at times | 11:23 |
| Amaranth | yeah, you just do some work on some packages and get someone to sponsor it, then sign up to be a MOTU | 11:24 |
| Amaranth | http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU | 11:24 |
| saintsjd | There are already many GIS packages in debian SID. When breezy freezes will these packages automatically be included in Breezy's universe? | 11:26 |
| tseng | we automatically sync things across for the first 2 or 3 months | 11:26 |
| Amaranth | they should be there now? | 11:26 |
| tseng | also if you want to change things, it less painful to do it on the debian side | 11:26 |
| tseng | you dont get conflicts that way | 11:26 |
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| saintsjd | do you develop your packages in a sid environment? Is that the easiest way to go? | 11:27 |
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| tseng | erm i mean, work with the debian maintainer to make changes you need | 11:27 |
| tseng | if you are talking about a group of packages | 11:27 |
| tseng | for example, i have several packages that use gtkembedmoz | 11:28 |
| tseng | i have to make changes to everyone to use firefox isntead of mozilla as debian does | 11:28 |
| Nafallo | blaaah. blam dies because of my pinned X now ;-) | 11:28 |
| tseng | it would be ideal in this case if i could get someone to make that change in debian | 11:28 |
| tseng | i cant in this case, but you get the point | 11:28 |
| saintsjd | got it. | 11:28 |
| tseng | just be in communication with the debian side | 11:28 |
| tseng | if you have to make ubuntu specific changes, oh well | 11:29 |
| saintsjd | yes that sounds best. | 11:29 |
| tseng | but you get the keep both pieces :P | 11:29 |
| tseng | i dont know i probably do more hardcore stuff than you will have to bother with | 11:30 |
| saintsjd | yes, my stuff will be fairly simple because there is a whole debian GIS group with a lot of momentum. There is one package that needs to be recompiled for python 2.4 instead of debian's 2.3 | 11:31 |
| saintsjd | If I can get that package into sid, then Things should be ok for Ubuntu. | 11:32 |
| tseng | sounds great | 11:35 |
| tseng | what is gis btw | 11:36 |
| \sh | tseng: geo information system | 11:39 |
| \sh | saintsjd: talk to ogra if hes back from guadec | 11:40 |
| tseng | k. | 11:40 |
| saintsjd | on the phone, sorry. | 11:41 |
| saintsjd | Geographic information System | 11:55 |
| saintsjd | I will look for ogra. | 11:56 |
| saintsjd | Thanks | 11:56 |
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