[12:52] <jeff25> heh
[12:53] <jeff25> I just made fluxbox-0.9.13.deb for hoary
[12:53] <jeff25> with no bugs!
[12:54] <jeff25> it's fast as hell too
[01:11] <herve> nighty night!
[01:31] <\sh> re
[02:13] <trulux> ajmitch: really?
[02:14] <ajmitch> ?
[02:14] <trulux> ajmitch: hmmm, It sounds like today is the best day to fsck me or something alike! :D
[02:14] <trulux> ajmitch: pappy-, tseng, you, any one wants more fun?
[02:14] <tseng> no, I dont
[02:14] <trulux> ajmitch: last thing before I go for the rest of time:
[02:14] <tseng> I want to be able to say what I want in a +s channel and have it stay there
[02:15] <ajmitch> why drag -motu into it now?
[02:15] <trulux> once a time, a smart man said that those who were limited in certain conditions, and suffered the feeling of such limitations, even if they were enemies, would get tovgether against a growing entity that made their limitations even more clear and notable
[02:16] <trulux> and they killed the man who had the empire in his hands. again, humans do the same mistake again
[02:16] <trulux> now I must have real work done
[02:16] <trulux> have a nice day you all
[02:16] <ajmitch> good bye
[02:17] <trulux> ajmitch: yes, just taking my marbles
[02:17] <trulux> looks like I've been messing around with the wrong people ;)
[02:17] <trulux> I need French people, really
[02:17] <trulux> they keep close to the poit and not suck as others do when real things are going on
[02:18] <trulux> lah
[02:21] <\sh> g'night
[02:27] <trulux> \sh: I'll keep working a few kenrel stuff here and coding poc for my LSM 2005 speech, found a friendly and very skillful French guy to work with for it
[02:28] <trulux> ajmitch: let's keep personal stuff out of the way. how's it going anyways?
[02:28] <trulux> we need the UI stuff done anyways
[02:30] <trulux> \sh: looks like I will end giving a fuck to all the distro related stuff, and keep my upstream work...
[02:30] <trulux> heh
[02:45] <ajmitch> hmm, he didn't even give me a chance to reply :)
[06:56] <mgalvin> hi all
[06:57] <mgalvin> what might be a good/the best way to go about packaging an app the is already complied
[06:58] <mgalvin> i packaged the nvidia-cg-toolkit which comes already in bin form
[06:59] <mgalvin> i created a deb from the rpm for now, but I am curious about what the recommended method would be to package the deb the right way from the tarball
[07:08] <mgalvin> also in reg lib packages, should the pkg-config files go in the lib or in lib-dev?
[09:41] <ogra> http://www.kofler.cc/ubuntu.html
[09:41] <ogra> !!!!!
[09:43] <crimmy> heh
[09:44] <ogra> kofler is the best german linux author ever.... its just impressing
[09:44] <crimmy> :)
[10:07] <siretart> great! :)
[10:07] <siretart> morning, btw ;)
[11:30] <siretart> how to prevent pbuilder to cleanup the buildplace after failiure?
[11:31] <\sh> --preserve-buildplace
[11:32] <siretart> thnx
[11:35] <siretart> huh? cp: cannot create regular file `/var/cache/pbuilder/build//etc/hosts': No such file or directory
[11:36] <siretart> somethings very weird going on here
[11:36] <siretart>               It will clean up the build place on failure, or after a successful build.
[11:37] <siretart> so not that what I wanted..
[11:44] <\sh> hmmm.
[11:46] <siretart> experimenting with hooks now
[11:49] <siretart> hooks worked, I forgot libxinerama-dev :(
[12:01] <\sh> siretart: how?
[12:06] <siretart> \sh: installed a hook with "sleep 600"
[12:08] <\sh> ah :) understand :)
[12:09] <\sh> updating my new packages to breezy
[12:11] <DanielN> morning guys :)
[12:17] <siretart> hi DanielN
[12:19] <\sh> hey DanielN
[12:48] <tseng> hi
[12:49] <\sh> moins tseng
[12:50] <\sh> argl...daniel removed my voice on -devel
[12:50] <tseng> he did warn you.
[12:50] <\sh> tseng: i told him it was the last thing i said :) and now its over..period.
[12:51] <tseng> eh.
[12:51] <\sh> and I'm not blaiming him ... it was my fault..
[01:02] <tseng> hi ogra!
[01:03] <ogra> hey tseng
[01:03] <tseng> we have __thread :)
[01:03] <ogra> yeah !!!
[01:05] <\sh> moins ogra
[01:05] <ogra> hi \sh
[01:05] <tseng> " Fix db2 dllmap" hmm i dont remember what this is
[01:05] <ogra> heh, moins ? i'm up since 7
[01:06] <ogra> tseng, at least its fixed ;)
[01:06] <tseng> its not afaik
[01:06] <tseng>          <dllmap dll="db2cli" target="libdb2_36.so"/>
[01:06] <\sh> ogra: i was up at 10;)
[01:07] <ogra> lazy guy
[01:07] <ogra> :)
[01:07] <\sh> ogra: brain reset yesterday :) and new nifty toys :)
[01:07] <tseng> we dont seem to depend on libdb2
[01:08] <\sh> lemme build this kvim replacement named yzis
[01:08] <tseng>  /lib/libdb.so.3 ugh wth is this
[01:09] <tseng> that sounds fun
[01:09] <tseng> it would wizz past me though, i am not an OOP guy at all
[01:10] <ogra> i'm not really intrested... but the other things are even less tempting....
[01:11] <\sh> ogra: please go and inform me later about the results...i think this is a much nicer attempt then gtkmm ;)
[01:16] <\sh> ok..njam is now ready to publish :)
[01:17] <ogra> \sh, i'm not really intrested in mono programming, only in packaging, i'll stay with python ;)
[01:18] <ogra> but its probably helpful to know some gtk# for fixing bugs in the packages, so i'll go
[01:20] <tseng> BenM and I are going to fix *every* gtk# bug
[01:20] <tseng> :P
[01:20] <\sh> siretart: ping
[01:21] <ogra> tseng, even the ones in the software ?
[01:21] <tseng> heh.
[01:22] <tseng> we will start by submitting dllmap bugs upstream
[01:22] <tseng> those are the most annoying to packagers
[01:22] <ogra> ok, i ,need to find some lunch to survive the day.... i'll be here later again....
[01:22] <tseng> cya
[01:22] <ogra> bye
[01:25] <tseng> holy crap i can search on malone
[01:25] <tseng> :D
[01:28] <Amaranth> miguel keynote in 30 minutes
[01:28] <Amaranth> woo
[01:28] <tseng> hm i should try the fluendo stream
[01:29] <Amaranth> that's what i'm on
[01:29] <Amaranth> like i could actually afford to go, pfft
[01:29] <tseng> what room?
[01:29] <tseng> oh
[01:29] <tseng> duh.
[01:29] <Amaranth> the one that says it's for keynotes ;)
[01:29] <tseng> wth
[01:29] <tseng> how do i open the stream in totem?
[01:29] <Amaranth> it says how
[01:29] <tseng> i dont want a bunch of java/activex crap
[01:30] <tseng> ah oh that page
[01:30] <Amaranth> you have to jump through hoops
[01:30] <Amaranth> http://stream.fluendo.com:8900/
[01:30] <tseng> totem plugin ++
[01:30] <Amaranth> had that, trashed my prolile
[01:30] <Amaranth> what's the symlink again?
[01:30] <tseng> the what?
[01:31] <Amaranth> to symlink the totem plugin into ~/.mozilla/plugins so it works
[01:32] <tseng> i did no such thing.
[01:34] <Nafallo> kewl
[01:34] <Nafallo> works in totem-xine :-)
[01:38] <herve> yo!
[01:38] <tseng> hi.
[01:38] <Nafallo> hi herve :-)
[01:43] <Amaranth> Nafallo: works in xine, mplayer, vlc, gstreamer, probably even helix
[01:43] <Amaranth> of course, helix player and real player are worthless now that fluendo got the rights to ship a real plugin
[01:45] <Nafallo> Amaranth: oki. what room is that btw?
[01:45] <Amaranth> Nafallo: the one that says it's for keynotes ;)
[01:46] <Nafallo> Amaranth: hehe, k
[01:49] <\sh> hey herve
[01:55] <Amaranth> it's time
[01:59] <herve> doko: it seems you found with python2.3 lost readline features?
[02:01] <tseng> i saw ogra and seb on the feed :)
[02:04] <tseng> Amaranth: is he talking?
[02:04] <tseng> i have no sound yet
[02:04] <Amaranth> no
[02:04] <Amaranth> he blew into the mic once or twice
[02:04] <Amaranth> i'm not there, i'm watching the stream
[02:04] <tseng> well so am I
[02:04] <Amaranth> yeah
[02:04] <Amaranth> you can tell it's on because he blew lightly into the mic once or twice
[02:04] <Amaranth> probably taking deep breaths :D
[02:05] <herve> what are you talking about?
[02:05] <Amaranth> http://stream.fluendo.com:8900/
[02:06] <Amaranth> miguel's guadec keynote
[02:06] <Amaranth> starting any minute now
[02:06] <tseng> bwar
[02:27] <herve> "matthew's ubuntu review"
[02:27] <herve> that document is interesting
[02:29] <tseng> "interesting" is loose there
[02:30] <tseng> f-spot!
[02:31] <herve> ;-)
[02:37] <tseng> "of course i only listed the mono ones, because i want to indoctrineate you"
[02:37] <tseng> man
[02:39] <herve> well, I'm installing f-spot at that time ;-)
[02:45] <Treenaks> <3 tv-out
[02:51] <herve> use ubuntu ;-)
[02:51] <tseng> yes!
[02:51] <Nafallo> :-D
[02:52] <herve> well, "buy nokia", but they also support software patents...
[02:52] <tseng> if you are a company like nokia in the US
[02:52] <tseng> you have to
[02:52] <tseng> to protect yourself from ibm and microsoft patents
[02:52] <tseng> and sun
[02:53] <herve> I mean in the EU
[02:53] <herve> they are lobbying
[02:57] <Nafallo> lol. I shouldn't show you this: but I do it live for the whole internet ;-).
[02:57] <herve> we're only 1000, no big deal ;-)
[02:57] <tseng> it will be for download later, at least I hope so
[02:58] <tseng> so I can blog the best lines
[02:58] <Nafallo> hehe
[02:58] <tseng> "dont buy novell, just use ubuntu"
[02:58] <herve> what novell os is based on?
[02:58] <tseng> suse
[02:58] <tseng> well, novell linux desktop
[02:59] <tseng> novell netware is its own
[02:59] <herve> of course they bought suse;..
[02:59] <tseng> was that mark?
[02:59] <Amaranth> seb or orga just asked that question?
[03:00] <Amaranth> oh, or mark
[03:00] <tseng> no seb and ogra are in the back
[03:00] <tseng> he was looking in the other direction from them
[03:01] <Amaranth> any other canonical guys there?
[03:01] <Nafallo> damn is he right about that :-). tetris rocks ;-).
[03:02] <herve> wow, I got several seconds of lag!
[03:02] <Amaranth> i was dropping audio for awhile
[03:02] <tseng> i dropped the whole thing
[03:02] <tseng> im off for a bit
[03:02] <Nafallo> turn off all downloads/uploads and it works for me ;-)
[03:03] <herve> yes, I dropped mono install
[03:05] <Nafallo> yay! lot's of ubuntupushing ;-)
[03:06] <herve> we must admit ubuntu has a rocking mono team!
[03:06] <Nafallo> indeed :-)
[03:06] <Nafallo> hmm, gst or selinux :-P
[03:07] <herve> all those geeks carrying their laptop :-)
[03:07] <Amaranth> i chose gst, but it seems to suck
[03:07] <Amaranth> :P
[03:08] <Amaranth> you can't see the slides
[03:08] <Amaranth> ah, they fixed it
[03:08] <Nafallo> hmm, the cam @ selinux sucks ;-)
[03:08] <Nafallo> the sound even...
[03:09] <Amaranth> the gst one was too bright
[03:09] <Amaranth> "people are still coming in"
[03:09] <Amaranth> hehe, he started right on time, the keynote ran over
[03:12] <Amaranth> is the selinux one very exciting?
[03:12] <Nafallo> not yet ;-)
[03:12] <Amaranth> Kamion is doing it, right?
[03:13] <Nafallo> ehm, no? Colin Walters
[03:13] <Amaranth> oh, wrong last name ;)
[03:13] <Treenaks> Colin Walters != Colin Watson
[03:13] <Amaranth> i just glanced at the page on my way to the gstreamer link
[03:13] <\sh> hmmm..
[03:14] <\sh> anyone has experience with debarchiver?
[03:17] <herve> I certainly hope sessions will be available for downloa
[03:17] <Amaranth> two hours until the next session i want to see
[03:18] <Amaranth> tomorrow looks exciting
[03:18] <Nafallo> yay! Mark :-)
[03:19] <Amaranth> yeah, and project topaz
[03:19] <herve> where did you find the stream url?
[03:19] <Amaranth> shit, mark's keynote is 4:30am here
[03:19] <Nafallo> http://stream.fluendo.com/guadec/
[03:20] <herve> yeah but how did you find it? :)-
[03:21] <Nafallo> herve: click on "See the stream (autodetection)" :-)
[03:21] <herve> I mean, from the guadec website
[03:21] <herve> I couldn't find any link to the streams
[03:21] <Amaranth> oh
[03:21] <Amaranth> thomas gave it to me
[03:22] <Amaranth> thomasvs
[03:22] <herve> hmm... a big issue of their site then
[03:26] <herve> yo ogra!
[03:26] <tseng> hi ogra !
[03:26] <ogra> hey guys
[03:26] <tseng> ogra: you and seb were in the camera for awhile :)
[03:26] <tseng> before the talk started
[03:27] <ogra> yep, dholbach told us :)
[03:27] <tseng> :D
[03:27] <ogra> the mono talk was quite intresting
[03:27] <tseng> miguel is the best
[03:27] <ogra> he mentioned the mono/ubuntu live cd quite often ;)
[03:28] <tseng> oh a different talk?
[03:28] <ogra> (with always mentioning that its ubuntu based)
[03:28] <ogra> nope, the same
[03:28] <tseng> hm i turned it off too soon I guess
[03:28] <ogra> in the end he only talked about mono...
[03:28] <tseng> i liked when someone asked about fedora
[03:28] <ogra> hehe
[03:28] <tseng> and he said, just use ubuntu
[03:28] <tseng> :) we rock.
[03:28] <ogra> YOU rock ;)
[03:28] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg-0.7.png <--does it seem obvious to you guys what everything here means?
[03:29] <Amaranth> tseng: any updates on getting mono into main?
[03:29] <tseng> i dunno no one updated the seeds that I saw
[03:29] <ogra> Amaranth, its already in
[03:29] <tseng> but i am falling behind on breezy-changes
[03:29] <ogra> just waiting that dbus gets rebuilt
[03:29] <tseng> there is too much mail
[03:29] <Amaranth> ok, the dbus thing is what i was getting at
[03:30] <ogra> just jump over the auto updater mails teng
[03:31] <tseng> 
[03:31] <tseng> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe mono 1.1.7-0ubuntu5 [1182B] 
[03:31] <Amaranth> yeah...
[03:33] <siretart> \sh: pong
[03:34] <\sh> siretart: hey
[03:35] <\sh> siretart: check njam :) its on ubuntu.linux-server.org I moved html/ now to usr/share/doc/njam
[03:35] <\sh> I want to setup an package archive with debarchiver...and I want the packages sorted just like ubuntu is doing is...so breezy/main breezy/universe etc,
[03:35] <\sh> but I don
[03:36] <\sh> 't find any howto for it...debarchiver is running :) but not as i want
[03:36] <herve> Amaranth, about your picture, it looks fine, but I'll place the "new" buttons where appropriate
[03:36] <herve> ie, "new menu" below the menu panel
[03:37] <Amaranth> well, maybe i should show another screenshot :)
[03:37] <herve> tseng, what about using gmane news or rss features for breezy-changes?
[03:38] <herve> \sh, I can help you setting up a "dist+pool" archive
[03:38] <herve> but I'm not sure what you need
[03:39] <Amaranth> herve: http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg-0.7-2.png
[03:39] <Amaranth> that's why i didn't put the buttons like that
[03:39] <herve> ha ok
[03:39] <herve> I see your point
[03:39] <\sh> herve: something like ubuntu has...the sorting should be also dist/main dist/universe etc.
[03:40] <herve> but I insist on mine, menus still are on the left :)-
[03:40] <Amaranth> they're on the right too
[03:40] <herve> \sh, http://deb.oursours.net/ubuntu
[03:40] <herve> Amaranth, it's a special case
[03:40] <\sh> herve: thats it
[03:40] <herve> \sh, well, I only have universe here, but could be
[03:41] <\sh> herve: debarchiver or some other software?
[03:41] <herve> by hand :-)
[03:41] <herve> ho no
[03:41] <herve> apt-ftparchive
[03:41] <herve> or some name like thayt
[03:42] <herve> you'll find all the scripts in the ubuntu directoryu
[03:42] <\sh> i wonder how the sorting is done from upload to apt-gettable archives...what is the key to decide which package belongs to main which to universe etc.
[03:42] <herve> haaa, sorry
[03:43] <herve> there are some .override files in the ubuntu archive, afair
[03:45] <Nafallo> my wlandriver causes lag :-/
[03:46] <Amaranth> herve: http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg-0.7-3.png
[03:46] <Amaranth> like that?
[03:47] <herve> Amaranth, yes
[03:47] <Amaranth> ok, now that vs http://www.realistanew.com/images/smeg/smeg-0.6.png
[03:47] <Amaranth> which looks better?
[03:47] <\sh> herve: lemme check apt-ftparchive
[03:48] <\sh> debarchiver can work with it
[03:48] <herve> Amaranth, you removed the special of menus at the place of entries, which I liked
[03:48] <herve> like
[03:48] <Amaranth> ?
[03:49] <Amaranth> 0.6 is the last version, trying to make sure i'm actually making something better here :)
[03:49] <herve> and you're developping 0.7?
[03:50] <Amaranth> yeah
[03:50] <herve> ok, I understand why the separator button appear :)-
[03:50] <Amaranth> which is better: 0.7 or 0.6?
[03:50] <Amaranth> looks, not features
[03:51] <Amaranth> i'm hoping to be able to consider this release feature complete, so i need to get it right
[03:51] <herve> hmm...
[03:52] <Amaranth> personally i hated the visible column in the menus
[03:52] <Amaranth> but it's slightly more work to show/hide a menu now
[03:52] <herve> yes, 0.7 has a better look
[03:52] <Amaranth> actually, it doesn't matter, i have to go with 0.7 :P
[03:52] <siretart> \sh: i had a look at your package. I assume you are aware about the lintian warnings, yes?
[03:52] <Amaranth> otherwise separators and moving things around won't be possible at all
[03:52] <Amaranth> i'm going to be the first to nail calum's sketch of what a menu editor should look like
[03:53] <siretart> \sh: besides the lintian warnings and errors, I think the package is fine
[03:53] <herve> Amaranth, hooray for 0.7!
[03:56] <\sh> siretart: yeah...it will be fixed just now
[04:36] <siretart> \sh: did you make any progress at arkrpg?
[04:37] <\sh> siretart: no :(
[04:37] <siretart> \sh: I looked at it, but I think its really weird. Types from included source are "unknown" at several places. Placing forward declaration is a workaround at some places, but not everywhere
[04:37] <\sh> in the end i will rewrite this bloody rules fule
[04:37] <\sh> siretart: the problem is more, that configure is totally broken
[04:37] <\sh> the tests for xlibs and xincludes are failing
[04:37] <siretart> \sh: I think there goes something really wrong with the preprocessor
[04:38] <\sh> and this I can only overcome with autoreconf
[04:38] <\sh> but i don't know where to inject this..tried configure target doesn
[04:38] <siretart> hm. really strange. but it is also heavily patched by the DD
[04:38] <\sh> 't work...
[04:38] <\sh> i tried update-config hook
[04:38] <\sh> no luck either
[04:39] <siretart> really really weird package..
[04:42] <tseng> herzi: i tried gmane rss for ubuntu-security and it seemed a little wonky
[04:42] <trulux> tseng: where's mpt?
[04:42] <tseng> trulux: miguel was talking about his work at guadec
[04:42] <tseng> trulux: i very rarely see mpt on irc.
[04:42] <ogra> tseng, whats the rl for the livestream ?
[04:43] <ogra> url even
[04:43] <tseng> one sec
[04:43] <tseng> its on planet gnome
[04:43] <trulux> tseng: mpt != Miguel, I mean the usability master
[04:43] <tseng> thats waht I said
[04:43] <tseng> miguel was talking about the mpt usability study I mean
[04:43] <ogra> tseng, i missed the gtk# talk in favor of a long chat with andrew towbridge ;)
[04:43] <tseng> ogra: not john trowbridge?
[04:44] <ogra> err, yes
[04:44] <tseng> nice :)
[04:44] <trulux> tseng: BTW, I feel cool enough to talk now (/query, even phone) about what happened yesterday, but I don't expect a lot to get solved regarding the other folks
[04:44] <ogra> i'm bad at names ;)
[04:44] <tseng> trulux: i was just miffed that you went around my friends to work on hardened-gentoo, and I flamed you
[04:45] <tseng> trulux: i wish it could have stayed in a private place, but its over now
[04:48] <tseng> hm who has mono 1.1.7-0ubuntu5 and muine?
[04:50] <tseng> ogra: anything interesting come up?
[04:50] <tseng> ogra: i like trow
[04:50] <ogra> yep, he's nice
[04:50] <ogra> they'll get amd64 boxen eventually
[04:52] <ogra> and he told me that they use ubuntu internally quite often *g*
[04:53] <tseng> yep
[04:53] <tseng> thats why they all bug me so much about the packaging :P
[04:53] <tseng> they have been building stuff from svn :(
[04:53] <ogra> yep
[04:53] <tseng> there will be a party at novell when breezy is released for sure :)
[04:53] <ogra> but i guess he wouldnt say that officially :)
[04:54] <ogra> the mono live CD isnt officially by novell... its just a subproject :/
[04:57] <tseng> it wasnt done by anyone at novell
[04:58] <trulux> tseng: your friends? I just said true and strong facts over your fascist lead. I don't accept the abuse of authority, if a lead can't give candor to his co-workers, then he's not the lead, he's a fascist asshole. Keep that in mind.
[04:58] <tseng> trulux: noted, thanks.
[04:59] <ogra> trulux, may i remind you of the code of conduct please ?
[04:59] <trulux> tseng: now, I would like to go back to our work, that thing once a time we wanted to do together
[04:59] <tseng> happy coding
[04:59] <trulux> ogra: sorry if it sounds stupid, but, that one I sent signed by hand in a FAX to Mako?
[05:00] <trulux> ogra: *sigh*
[05:00] <ogra> trulux, faschist asshole isnt appropriate wording for an ubuntu channel, no matter in which context if you titel someone wih it
[05:01] <ogra> so please keep it friendly in here or we have to do something against it.... which i wouldnt like...
[05:01] <trulux> ogra: sorry, I'm neither politically correct or respectful to those who aren't with me
[05:02] <trulux> ogra: please, just a thing, I will keep closer to the CC, but don't do that. just do it if you are going to feel proud
[05:02] <ogra> trulux, i dont know whats going on between tseng and you currently (didnt follow ubuntu-hardened) but please keep it outside of this channel
[05:02] <trulux> ogra: he's not even in -hardened. I even wonder what he wants really
[05:03] <trulux> ogra: it's slightly related to Ubuntu, as tseng said names of other people
[05:03] <ogra> trulux, no idea, but watch your wording please, thats all...
[05:04] <trulux> ogra: sure, if you mean that I can say fascist with other words, then great. no willing to disturb around
[05:06] <trulux> ajmitch: ping
[05:08] <herve> just seen gnomevfs-mount, seems nice
[05:09] <tseng> herve: something other than drivemount_applet?
[05:10] <herve> you can mount http://somewebsite/ as an example
[05:13] <ogra> trulux, please keep this wording completely out of here... i'm german, i react pretty sensitive to this word !! i wouldnt like to ban you or anyone  from here
[05:19] <trulux> ogra: I'm Spanish, my country has sufferred fascism for more than 30 years of continuous abuse, a Civil war which dividided our society in two parts, and now, in nowdays, shiny-sucking-great-world, fascism is getting all over the place again in form of politicakly-correct jerks, business men and globalizing morons.
[05:20] <Nafallo> anyone else have problems with the guadec streams? they buffer and loose sound all the time.
[05:20] <trulux> I react pretty sensitive to this SHIT, 'cos members of my family gave their life and beliefs to make this a better country
[05:20] <tseng> Nafallo: yep its a bit choppy in spots
[05:20] <trulux> ogra: in other words, I don't know you, but I'm sure I have an huge amount of facts to throw over that statement
[05:21] <trulux> ogra: and more important, nevern. never try to let me think/believe that I can't fascist in a channel which Free Software development takes place
[05:22] <trulux> ogra: If you put atenttion, I get hard once you get hard against me, I get closer to be upset once you try to say you can ban and close my mouth, and I get much more decent and worthy tosay what I'm saying when you and others try to abuse of such facts
[05:22] <trulux> just that
[05:23] <trulux> I'm here willing help, don't make me willing to blow you up
[05:23] <ogra> please just stop it
[05:23] <trulux> ogra: your choice now, I've taken alrady the decision
[05:26] <siretart> please, everyone. stop it. start /ignoring. This channel is about improving a linux distribution for humans
[05:26] <siretart> this discussion is not helping anyone
[05:26] <tseng> wb mgalvin
[05:27] <mgalvin> hi
[05:27] <\sh> siretart: i'm having a closer look to debian dak :) (katie) :)
[05:27] <trulux> siretart: thanks for the advice, we're humans (and biased by meaning), yup.
[05:27] <trulux> ;)
[05:27] <\sh> siretart: it should help you to get your project running
[05:27] <trulux> ogra: Already feeling the power?
[05:27] <ogra> please just stop it
[05:28] <trulux> ogra: sure
[05:28] <ogra> fine
[05:28] <siretart> \sh: ah great. the problem is, right now I havn't time to discuss this.
[05:29] <siretart> \sh: lets discuss this later the week, I'll try to write something done in the wiki or at least as email to have something to discuss
[05:29] <trulux> ogra: do you anything about pitti? is he enjoying the weekend?
[05:30] <ogra> sure
[05:30] <trulux> ogra: where can I find the url to the current breezy 2.6.12 sources (tarball)?
[05:30] <ogra> he doesnt work on sundays
[05:30] <\sh> siretart: yeah...its quite a huge package full of python magic ;)
[05:30] <ogra> no idea, cant you take the source pkg ?
[05:32] <\sh> *grmpf*
[05:32] <\sh> could anyone ask on -devel if anyone is there to help with katie?
[05:33] <ogra> \sh, try to ping elmo
[05:33] <siretart> \sh: I'm not really sure if a full blown dak is really needed. I think that a mini-dinstall could suffice
[05:33] <siretart> \sh: I think mentors.debian.net is running mini-dinstall with hooks, too
[05:35] <trulux> ogra: ok, will do. it's just that I'm on Hoary riught now
[05:35] <tseng> you can just grab the sources off packages.ubuntu.com
[05:35] <siretart> trulux: look at http://packages.ubuntu.com/linux-source-2.6.12 there you can download the source package
[05:36] <\sh> siretart: lets check it out .)
[05:36] <trulux> siretart: many thanks, rock :)
[05:45] <siretart> gotta leave. cu tomorrow!
[05:45] <Nafallo> siretart: see you :-)
[05:46] <mgalvin> what might be the best way to package pre-built binaries, i made a deb of the nvidia-cg-toolkit from the rpm but would like to create a proper deb, does anyone know of maybe a good example package
[05:51] <herve> pre-built binaries? seems like non free software too me :-)
[05:51] <mgalvin> yea, it not, its nvidias cg compiler an runtime, no source from them :-/
[05:53] <herve> so I guess it means "copying" the binary in the usr/bin directory of the tree?
[05:53] <mgalvin> correct
[05:56] <mgalvin> I also have the cegui package built, and up on the wiki as needs review
[05:58] <herve> I wish I had so much time
[05:59] <mgalvin> i was up late last night ;)
[06:01] <mgalvin> i am having some fun learning all this stuff, and been looking at other packages getting a feel for how things are done
[06:01] <herve> that's how I do too
[06:01] <herve> that and asking of course :)-
[06:20] <ogra> bye.... dinner time....
[07:01] <hondje> Hi guys. Are there any official ubuntu cflags I should use when making a package?
[07:03] <\sh> hondje: the build tools will detect them selfs from deb configuration
[07:03] <hondje> ah, voodoo :)
[07:11] <herve> cflags?
[07:11] <herve> I'm not sure what it is, but the policy said something about -fPIC or something
[07:20] <trulux> herve: CFLAGS set the specific compiler options for the object code being compiled and later linked to the final binary using the LDFLAGS
[07:21] <trulux> herve: -fPIC is needed in certain architectures to make libraries working, thus, if there's conflict with it, you must set -fPIC only for LDFLAGS
[07:21] <DanielN> \sh: thanks for your great local apt-repo howto, found on your wiki-page. it's nice!
[07:21] <trulux> hence, only the libraries will be PIC
[07:21] <trulux> herve: ;)
[07:24] <herve> yeah, yeah... like I knew the policy by heart :)-
[07:24] <herve> but thanks trulux for the reminder
[07:25] <herve> pic for libs because libs are picky ;)-
[07:25] <herve> and herve will coordinate his fingers some day...
[07:27] <herve> wow, I don't if the french people will make the eu explode overnight
[07:27] <herve> but we're already 2/3 to have voted, this has not be seen for decads
[07:28] <herve> decades
[07:28] <herve> some even say 3/4
[07:28] <herve> and I read even more
[07:29] <trulux> herve: we must thank many things to French people, one of them that Bordeaux pretty nice girls
[07:30] <herve> I never went to bordeaux, but you should meet lyon one :)-
[07:30] <herve> ones
[07:30] <trulux> I'll do during the LSM 2005
[07:30] <trulux> I'll be the little, younger puppet in the show, hopefully
[07:31] <trulux> I will try to look less wicked and perverted, and you'll see how them come around me ;)
[07:31] <herve> hmm the lsm will occur in dijon
[07:31] <herve> that reminds me I should organize myself for it
[07:31] <trulux> herve: I will need to get transport from Lyon to Dijon
[07:32] <trulux> herve: I hope to meet with you and other guys, Gentoo French conspiration will be there
[07:32] <herve> hehe
[07:32] <trulux> kang (one of the RSBAC guys).... long list
[07:32] <herve> why do I see french and conspiration in the same sentence? ;-)
[07:32] <herve> but I look forward to meeting you (and others?)
[07:32] <trulux> herve: sure ;D
[07:33] <trulux> herve: I hope to meet another guy there that could even help with the talk, but we need to organize it together
[07:33] <herve> right, you make a talk here
[07:33] <trulux> herve: I hope that Lyon / Bordeaux girls to be *not* a myth
[07:33] <trulux> yes
[07:34] <herve> hehe
[07:34] <trulux> hope to find there the typical guy who wants to make "difficult questions" 'cos his talk wasn't accepted
[07:35] <trulux> I always like those ones
[07:35] <herve> like "I could have done better" ?
[07:36] <trulux> herve: no, I mean the guy that tries to make you feeling nervous. It uses to happen when I appear, first they laugh at me, after the speech they shut up
[07:37] <trulux> herve: that's the funny part, when I ask where's the conference room
[07:37] <trulux> "Hahaha, we dunno" "OK, thanks anyways, we'll see later"
[07:37] <trulux> ;D
[07:38] <trulux> I hope to get cheap plane tickets
[07:38] <trulux> at least the funding part seems to be solved, I think I will sleep in the university
[07:38] <trulux> herve: I will keep a good lock with me ;P
[07:38] <herve> ??
[07:40] <trulux> herve: the university has a students building as most do, to let foreign ones to sleep there
[07:40] <trulux> herve: and the like
[07:43] <herve> hmm... I have not thought about the comodity part
[07:43] <herve> I know someone at dijon
[07:43] <herve> but not necessarly feasible
[07:45] <trulux> herve: don't worry, I will manage it
[07:45] <trulux> herve: btw, I forgot how to solve these GPG missing sec. ring errors on apt-get update
[07:46] <trulux> herve: secring.gpg on my /etc/apt right?
[07:46] <herve> hmm?
[07:47] <herve> mine is empty
[07:50] <trulux> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: Couldn't access keyring: No such file or directory
[07:50] <trulux> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: Couldn't access keyring: No such file or directory
[07:50] <trulux> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Release: Couldn't access keyring: No such file or directory
[07:50] <trulux> lah, apt-key update
[07:50] <trulux> damn my ignorance
[07:51] <trulux> solved
[07:51] <trulux> ;)
[07:51] <herve> ha, hoary
[07:52] <trulux> my devel box needs to be stable
[07:52] <trulux> ;)
[07:52] <trulux> VMs and chroots are enough for Breezy
[07:52] <DanielN> herve: ure using breezy or what?
[07:54] <herve> DanielN, yes
[07:54] <herve> and updated daily
[07:54] <herve> don't do this at home, kids!
[07:54] <DanielN> bleeding *shudder*
[07:54] <Nafallo> herve: already do. and updating hourly ;-)
[07:55] <herve> Nafallo, I knew my case wasn't the worst ;)-
[07:56] <herve> well, time to warm the oven!
[07:58] <DanielN> herve: you've inspired me .. installing hoary on VM to upgrade a breezy wild-badger :P
[07:58] <herve> ho no!
[07:58] <herve> I didn't say that!
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[07:58] <DanielN> herve: ????
[07:59] <herve> ha, VM, the emulator?
[07:59] <DanielN> qemu
[08:00] <herve> one emulator, still
[08:00] <herve> ok, there you go!
[08:00] <DanielN> yep
[08:11] <trulux> DanielN: vmware rocks
[08:11] <DanielN> qemu is almost the same
[08:11] <DanielN> imho
[08:13] <trulux> DanielN: well, it can do other neat things, though, it doesn't achieve the performance and graceful effects of VMWare
[08:13] <DanielN> yeah .. of course your right .. but i don't wan't to pay for vmware
[08:14] <DanielN> if there's a suitable alternative
[08:41] <ivoks> hi
[08:43] <\sh> siretart: ping
[08:43] <herve> hi ivoks
[08:43] <herve> how was slovenia?
[08:43] <ivoks> nice :)
[08:43] <ivoks> hot :)
[08:44] <herve> yeah, the weather :-)
[08:47] <ivoks> among other things :)
[08:52] <ivoks> good company and lots of nice topless girls :)
[08:57] <\sh> dinner time
[08:57] <trulux> bbl, going to watch the episode III in the cinema
[08:57] <trulux> happy hacking guys
[09:50] <\sh> dinner was good and dr. who as well :)
[09:51] <herve> the old british series?
[09:53] <\sh> herve: the new british season :) dr. who 2005
[09:53] <herve> I thought it stopped in late 70's ;-)
[09:54] <\sh> hehe...no i think in the 90's and 8 years later the 2005 series were made
[10:43] <Nafallo> tseng: ping
[10:44] <Nafallo> tseng: blam crashes on updates cause it can't find gdk-x11-2.0. something wasn't pulled in correctly?
[10:48] <herve> Nafallo, blam is a mono application?
[10:49] <Amaranth> yes
[10:49] <herve> read the topic :-)
[10:50] <herve> I can't run f-spot for the same reason
[10:50] <Amaranth> you can always get the dependencies yourself
[10:51] <Amaranth> btw, that topic was put up about a month ago ;)
[10:51] <herve> we've been... er, busy :-)
[10:51] <Amaranth> yeah :)
[10:51] <Amaranth> speaking of mono, any magic foo i can do to make dbus compile a mono binding on my system?
[10:52] <Amaranth> i'm not afraid of dpkg :)
[10:52] <Amaranth> i can't figure out what muine uses dbus for though
[10:53] <herve> getting events at folder change?
[10:54] <Amaranth> but what did they imagine would ever sent those events?
[10:55] <Amaranth> and why would it use dbus instead of inotify? :)
[10:57] <MarioOs> hello
[10:57] <tseng> Nafallo: ...
[10:58] <tseng> Nafallo: did you read the topic?
[10:58] <tseng> Nafallo: also did you try my upload today
[10:59] <tseng> hm it failed
[11:01] <tseng> ah
[11:01] <tseng> lets fix that
[11:08] <herve> well, I'm starting to like f-spot
[11:09] <saintsjd> Quick questionfrom a newbie: There is a package in Ubuntu universe called gdal.  What can I do to make sure that it is fully supported and inclded in the main repository for the breezy release?
[11:09] <tseng> is there a reason it should be in main?
[11:10] <saintsjd> It is the base for many GIS packages that I would like to see included some day. For that it is important that it receives security updates.
[11:10] <Nafallo> tseng: Unhandled Exception: System.DllNotFoundException: gdk-x11-2.0
[11:10] <Nafallo> tseng: you know what's wrong?
[11:10] <Nafallo> tseng: trying to update feeds in blam.
[11:11] <tseng> yes, I know whats wrong
[11:11] <tseng> i already uploaded a fix today but it failed on firefox name change
[11:11] <tseng> i uploaded again
[11:11] <tseng> try again later
[11:11] <tseng> and read the topic
[11:11] <herve> saintsjd, I think Ubuntu has a subproject for GIS
[11:11] <Nafallo> tseng: ahh, oki :-)
[11:12] <Amaranth> also, read the topics of #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu about using breezy ;)
[11:12] <tseng> if there is a bug in mono stuff, the chances are pretty good i already heard about it 6 times :P
[11:12] <saintsjd> herve: Yes, we are trying to start the GIS subproject
[11:12] <Nafallo> tseng: I've read the topic. I just thought I could install a missing package ;-). thanx anyway.
[11:12] <tseng> Nafallo: you can
[11:12] <tseng> Nafallo: libgtk2.0-dev
[11:12] <tseng> or you can wait for the fix to build
[11:12] <herve> saintsjd, hehe, then you'd better ask #ubuntu-devel
[11:12] <tseng> you can also just install this file
[11:13] <tseng> brandon@lappy:~/work/debian$ cat /usr/lib/blam/blam.exe.config
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[11:13] <tseng> 	<dllmap dll="gdk-x11-2.0" target="libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0"/>
[11:13] <tseng> 	<dllmap dll="libX11" target="/usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6.2"/>
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[11:13] <tseng> thats what I uploaded
[11:13] <Amaranth> shouldn't that be /usr/lib/X11?
[11:13] <tseng> it should not have the full path at all
[11:13] <tseng> i already fixed that too
[11:13] <Amaranth> well, no
[11:13] <tseng> i must have an old copy installed
[11:14] <tseng> but
[11:14] <tseng> just fix it
[11:14] <tseng> Amaranth: good catch, but im faster
[11:14] <Amaranth> hehe
[11:14] <Amaranth> did you ever figure out the tomboy stuff?
[11:14] <tseng> the icon?
[11:14] <Amaranth> yeah
[11:14] <tseng> i think i might just ship the 24x24 one
[11:14] <tseng> instead
[11:14] <Amaranth> if not i'll work on it after i get dbus back
[11:14] <tseng> i dont have time to learn how to do a bunch of hacky crap in gtk#
[11:15] <Amaranth> the reason i didn't last time is because you have tomboy.png.uu
[11:15] <tseng> dave does, yes
[11:15] <Amaranth> and i don't know what to replace that with, because i'll have two files called tomboy
[11:15] <Amaranth> well, whoever ;)
[11:15] <herve> night all!
[11:15] <Amaranth> night herve
[11:15] <Amaranth> d'oh
[11:15] <tseng> ideally someone will make nicer icons and alex will just release with them
[11:16] <tseng> he wants something lame that means "tomboy" and not "notes"
[11:16] <tseng> oh and he swears more than I do
[11:17] <Amaranth> heh
[11:17] <Amaranth> you should see me when i find a nasty bug in smeg
[11:17] <Amaranth> the name fits
[11:17] <saintsjd> How does one package end up in main repository and  another in Universe? what is the difference between the two that makes them go to diffferent repositories?
[11:18] <tseng> saintsjd: one is probably something an application we want in the main desktop requires
[11:18] <tseng> universe is the rest
[11:19] <saintsjd> oh so universe is still "maintained" with security updates?
[11:19] <tseng> er
[11:19] <tseng> its "best effort"
[11:19] <Nafallo> saintsjd: yepp
[11:19] <saintsjd> if so, then gdal does not need to be in main.
[11:19] <tseng> you can help out by submitting security fixes also
[11:19] <Amaranth> does hoary-security even have a universe section?
[11:19] <tseng> yes.
[11:20] <tseng> there are a few guys working on it now
[11:20] <tseng> iirc Nafallo is one of them
[11:20] <tseng> or was it Burgandiva i guess
[11:20] <\sh> phew
[11:21] <saintsjd> "Best effort" would definitely do for GIS apps. They are not need by mainstream users.
[11:21] <saintsjd> In universe does security depend upon the best eforts of the maintainer of the package? or is there a full team to oversee?
[11:21] <Nafallo> yepp. /me, astharot, pitti AFAIK
[11:22] <crimmy> saintsjd: we don't really have maintainers, per se
[11:23] <Amaranth> we have teams for some things
[11:23] <Amaranth> the rest is just whoever is willing to work on it
[11:23] <tseng> yep
[11:23] <saintsjd> sounds like getting involved will be fairly straightforward then.  This is a good thing.
[11:23] <Amaranth> like tseng, he's the mono man
[11:23] <tseng> <3
[11:23] <tseng> i accept help at times
[11:24] <Amaranth> yeah, you just do some work on some packages and get someone to sponsor it, then sign up to be a MOTU
[11:24] <Amaranth> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU
[11:26] <saintsjd> There are already many GIS packages in debian SID.  When breezy freezes will these packages automatically be included in Breezy's universe?
[11:26] <tseng> we automatically sync things across for the first 2 or 3 months
[11:26] <Amaranth> they should be there now?
[11:26] <tseng> also if you want to change things, it less painful to do it on the debian side
[11:26] <tseng> you dont get conflicts that way
[11:27] <saintsjd> do you develop your packages in a sid environment? Is that the easiest way to go?
[11:27] <tseng> erm i mean, work with the debian maintainer to make changes you need
[11:27] <tseng> if you are talking about a group of packages
[11:28] <tseng> for example, i have several packages that use gtkembedmoz
[11:28] <tseng> i have to make changes to everyone to use firefox isntead of mozilla as debian does
[11:28] <Nafallo> blaaah. blam dies because of my pinned X now ;-)
[11:28] <tseng> it would be ideal in this case if i could get someone to make that change in debian
[11:28] <tseng> i cant in this case, but you get the point
[11:28] <saintsjd> got it.
[11:28] <tseng> just be in communication with the debian side
[11:29] <tseng> if you have to make ubuntu specific changes, oh well
[11:29] <saintsjd> yes that sounds best.
[11:29] <tseng> but you get the keep both pieces :P
[11:30] <tseng> i dont know i probably do more hardcore stuff than you will have to bother with
[11:31] <saintsjd> yes, my stuff will be fairly simple because there is a whole debian GIS group with a lot of momentum.  There is one package that needs to be recompiled for python 2.4 instead of debian's 2.3
[11:32] <saintsjd> If I can get that package into sid, then Things should be ok for Ubuntu.
[11:35] <tseng> sounds great
[11:36] <tseng> what is gis btw
[11:39] <\sh> tseng: geo information system
[11:40] <\sh> saintsjd: talk to ogra if hes back from guadec
[11:40] <tseng>  k.
[11:41] <saintsjd> on the phone, sorry.
[11:55] <saintsjd> Geographic information System
[11:56] <saintsjd> I will look for ogra.
[11:56] <saintsjd> Thanks