[12:00] <eyequeue> islander:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto/view?searchterm=adding%20repositories
[12:00] <lonewolff> SilentKiller: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-5151.html has some useful information
[12:00] <mkde> spanglesontoast, "locate alias|grep alsa"?
[12:01] <SilentKiller> lonewolff: that is awesome. i will check it out. thanks.
[12:01] <islander> thank you for the link
[12:01] <islander> I am going to try to see how much can accomplish
[12:02] <Kpjas> Hi anyone using ubuntu on a laptop ? What are HW requirements to run Ub smoothly ?
[12:02] <spanglesontoast> ah but where would I put index=0 etc?
[12:02] <P229> has anyone tried the .deb distributed by Juno in Ubuntu? does it work?
[12:02] <lonewolff> Kpjas: i run it on 2 laptops
[12:03] <lonewolff> not sure of the minimum spec but it runs alright on a p41.6m with 512mb ram
[12:03] <lonewolff> ((thats the slowest ubuntu machine i have))
[12:03] <mkde> i bet
[12:03] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> wonder if debian would install on my secondary pc ?
[12:03] <Fator_Dee> Kpjas: works with patience in 128mb 800mhz
[12:03] <nate__> i run ubuntu on a p4-1.5m with 512 MB RAM
[12:03] <Kpjas> lonewolff: I have something much slower on mind
[12:03] <nate__> and its pretty fast
[12:03] <nate__> fast enough
[12:03] <holycow> Pop_pa_FrEaK, there is very little linux cannot be installed on
[12:03] <Fator_Dee> Kpjas: occasional swapping is the only problem
[12:04] <lonewolff> i have debian sid on p2 133mhz with 80mb of ram (no x tho)
[12:04] <mkde> Kpjas, ubuntu is not the faster distro you will see. If you have low spec its not the best
[12:04] <Fator_Dee> Kpjas: tell us the specs
[12:04] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> holycow well ubuntu won't install on my secondary pc
[12:04] <mkde> tell us!
[12:04] <Kpjas> any experience with Thinkpads, Toshibas Compaqs ?
[12:04] <Fator_Dee> mkde: installing a lighter DE helps a *lot*
[12:04] <mkde> i have a compaq
[12:04] <mkde> Fator_Dee, sure
[12:05] <Fator_Dee> and I mean lots
[12:05] <Fator_Dee> or not using one at all :-)
[12:05] <Seveas> twm!
[12:05] <Kpjas> Toshiba Tecra 8100
[12:05] <Kpjas> PIII 600 and 128 RAM
[12:05] <stuNNed> does xfce work well on low end machines?
[12:05] <Fator_Dee> Kpjas: the actual specs, brand and model wont say a word
[12:05] <Kpjas> 12 GB storage
[12:05] <Fator_Dee> stuNNed: yes
[12:05] <P229> no one uses Juno/NetZero here?
[12:06] <Fator_Dee> Kpjas: install xfce or fluxbox or another lighter DE and you are good to go
[12:06] <Kpjas> Fator_Dee: DE ?
[12:06] <Fator_Dee> Desktop Environment
[12:06] <Fator_Dee> or Enviroment?
[12:06] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[12:06] <Kpjas> I see
[12:06] <Fator_Dee> who cares :-p
[12:07] <Amaranth> smeg may or may not work on Ubuntu's KDE due to them breaking the the menu-spec :/
[12:07] <P229> Fator_Dee with an "n" is correct :)
[12:07] <Kpjas> but OO is out of question on PIII 600MHZ ?
[12:07] <mkde> Amaranth, you need to go and kick some ass
[12:07] <mkde> Kpjas, imo yes
[12:07] <Fator_Dee> P229: I started thinking that too afterwards
[12:07] <Amaranth> mkde: I reopened a bug report about it. :)
[12:07] <mkde> Kpjas, it will take about a minute to load up
[12:08] <mkde> Amaranth, thats not kicking ass
[12:08] <spanglesontoast> take it no one will ever help me
[12:08] <lonewolff> Kpjas: OO like to have a lot of ram#
[12:08] <Amaranth> mkde: I bitched in #ubuntu-devel
[12:08] <mkde> Amaranth, go smeg them up
[12:08] <mkde> Amaranth, yeah i saw ;)
[12:08] <Kpjas> I wonder if it is straightforward to expand ram in a laptop ?
[12:08] <mkde> Kpjas, yep
[12:08] <lonewolff> Kpjas: yeah, no bother
[12:08] <Fator_Dee> Kpjas: and when you install it, you might want to do a server install and then install the DE on "empty space"
[12:08] <Seveas> Kpjas, depends on the laptop
[12:09] <mkde> Kpjas, on mine there is a little thing you open and stick in the RAM
[12:09] <Seveas> Kpjas, and usually, laptop-mem is expensive
[12:09] <Kpjas> Seveas: Toshiba Tecra
[12:10] <Amaranth> every laptop i've seen seen they put 486s in laptops has had a little panel you open and pop in some ram
[12:10] <Kpjas> ppl they selling them with Mandrake 10.1 and Openoffice (?)
[12:10] <Amaranth> err, seen since
[12:10] <spanglesontoast> can anyone help with sound?
[12:10] <mkde> spanglesontoast, find that file?
[12:11] <Kpjas> Thnx ppl for your opinions
[12:11] <spanglesontoast> ya
[12:11] <Kpjas> and advice
[12:11] <toxicfume> Could someone please help me with Ubuntu's display problems on my l aptop?
[12:11] <spanglesontoast> I had both files
[12:11] <toxicfume> *laptop
[12:11] <spanglesontoast> what do I need to put in it?
[12:13] <Kpjas> I must say Ub supports my digital camera (Canon PShot) very nicely and prev distros had problems
[12:13] <mkde> spanglesontoast, no idea, maybe there is some information on the internet
[12:14] <spanglesontoast> ...........
[12:14] <mkde> spanglesontoast, or you could use one sound card
[12:14] <spanglesontoast> i just wanna know how to change the sound cards number
[12:14] <spanglesontoast> so it's 0 instead of 1
[12:14] <mkde> spanglesontoast, i'm sure you will find a guide on google
[12:14] <Seveas> spanglesontoast, by disabling the on board sound?
[12:15] <mkde> toxicfume, whats up?
[12:15] <spanglesontoast> no I want to use the onboard sound
[12:15] <toxicfume> mkde: well i am having display problems in my laptop, it's a ATI Radeon x700 64mb
[12:15] <toxicfume> mkde: I tried following throughthis link: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto but it doesn't complete successfully
[12:16] <JStrike> Amaranth : What is smeg?
[12:16] <Seveas> spanglesontoast, by removing your PCI card or adding its driver to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[12:16] <Amaranth> JStrike: menu editor
[12:16] <spanglesontoast> how do I find out what the sound module is called?
[12:16] <toxicfume> mkde: when i typed sudo apt-get update..some of the files couldn't be downloaded it seems..it report GPG Error
[12:16] <Seveas> toxicfume, paste the error please
[12:16] <mkde> toxicfume, post me your sources.list in private
[12:17] <JStrike> Amaranth : Wasn't aware Gnome had adopted a menu editor yet
[12:17] <mkde> toxicfume, or better, on a paste website
[12:17] <mkde> JStrike, Amaranth has written one
[12:17] <Amaranth> JStrike: They have their own for 2.12, but it doesn't do much. Mine is unofficial.
[12:17] <toxicfume> mkde: and then when I typed sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx it reported some dependencies missing
[12:17] <toxicfume> mkde and JStrike: how do i do that? I don't have X running in ubuntu :(
[12:17] <Amaranth> JStrike: And it runs on hoary x86 installs too. :)
[12:17] <Seveas> toxicfume, do you have restricted & universe enabled?
[12:18] <mkde> cough multiverse
[12:18] <toxicfume> Seveas: i guess i do
[12:18] <toxicfume> multiverse too i think
[12:18] <mkde> toxicfume, did you copy the conf file from that page I posted you?
[12:18] <JStrike> toxicfume : Hoary?
[12:18] <toxicfume> mkde: i can't copy..i don't have X working, i manually typed the chagnes(yes i know that's prone to typo's)
[12:18] <toxicfume> JStrike: yes
[12:19] <nickrud> mkde, I wanted to thank you for this link: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ExampleConffiles, but got called way at the time :)
[12:19] <mkde> toxicfume, ok there is likely a typo. Just to be clear, it is only the FIRST or SECOND box on that page you need to copy
[12:19] <JStrike> toxicfume : Not sure. Never heard of xorg-driver-fglrx
[12:19] <mkde> toxicfume, the second is a bit more clear
[12:19] <mkde> nickrud, np its not my work ;)
[12:20] <toxicfume> mkde: i copied only the second
[12:20] <nickrud> mkde it's still on the wiki, and I'll remember it
[12:20] <hajiki> has anyone had problems editing a remote file by using 'Places>Connect to Server' ?
[12:20] <mkde> toxicfume, perfect!
[12:20] <mkde> toxicfume, check for typos
[12:20] <mkde> nickrud,*nods*
[12:20] <toxicfume> JStrike: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto is where i am getting the file from
[12:20] <toxicfume> mkde: okay, wil ldo that :)
[12:20] <Amaranth> mkde: Do you ever go to #php, #python, or #twisted?
[12:20] <mkde> toxicfume, once apt-get update is working, then go back to the BinaryDriverHowTo
[12:20] <mkde> Amaranth, no i can't code, why?
[12:21] <Amaranth> mkde: Your nick looks familiar.
[12:21] <mkde> i am mdke
[12:21] <mkde> Amaranth, i use two nicks, cos i'm on with my laptop right now
[12:23] <stevenj77> Can somone please help me - a fresh hoary install and my SB audigy (1) works..I installed totem-xine, codecs, and set multimedia to ALSA...no sound works....I get no errors BUT no sound in XMMS, TOtem-xine, it was working
[12:23] <mkde> Amaranth, this network?
[12:23] <toxicfume> mkde: i can't find any typos :S
[12:23] <Amaranth> mkde: yeah
[12:23] <mkde> toxicfume, ok can you describe the error
[12:23] <eyequeue> Amaranth:  where should i send a bug report about smeg 0.6? (AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'appendChild')
[12:23] <stevenj77> I have checked alsamixer, mutes etc
[12:23] <toxicfume> mkde: the sudo apt-get update error?
[12:24] <eyequeue> Amaranth:  forum? #flood? email?
[12:24] <mkde> toxicfume, yah
[12:24] <stevenj77> does anyone know of some additional test I can run to figure out my sound problem
[12:24] <Amaranth> eyequeue: if you're using 0.6.2 email the full error to alleykat@gmail.com along with what you did when the error occured
[12:25] <hajiki> can anyone help me verify if this issue i'm having is a bug or just on my system?
[12:25] <penguin42> DOes anyone here use backuppc with tar as the transport?  Is it possible to store the tars rather than the individual files?
[12:25] <mkde> hajiki, you have to be a bit more specific
[12:25] <eyequeue> Amaranth:  dang, it's just 0.6 .. i was adding a new item to the accessories submenu, the first use of smeg, so i don't know if it's my system or the app
[12:25] <toxicfume> mkde: "W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid BADSIG (alphanumeric characters here) Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>"
[12:25] <mactiny> how would u guys rate linspire for a first time linux user
[12:26] <mkde> toxicfume, ooh interesting
[12:26] <mkde> mactiny, ubuntu is good for a first timer
[12:26] <mkde> but then again, what did you expect me to say
[12:26] <mactiny> hehe
[12:26] <Amaranth> mactiny: You're in an Ubuntu channel so you'll get biased replies but linspire is horrid.
[12:26] <eyequeue> Amaranth:  i only found 0.6 on the site the other night, is there a url for 0.6.2?
[12:26] <Amaranth> mactiny: It sets you up as root.
[12:26] <toxicfume> mkde: and another error which is similar: "W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid BADSIG (alphanumeric characters here) Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>"
[12:26] <Amaranth> eyequeue: It's in the forums.
[12:26] <mactiny> yes, i thought u lot would be biased
[12:26] <hajiki> when i create a mount to an sftp sever using the ssh transport on Places>Connect to Server, I can't edit the files with the Text Editor. Whey I type nothing happens... I can create new files, drag them in, just not edit them.
[12:26] <mactiny> exactly what about linspire dont u aprove of
[12:26] <mkde> toxicfume, ok there must be something wrong with your ubuntu gpg keys hang on
[12:27] <Amaranth> mactiny: It sets you up as root.
[12:27] <toxicfume> mkde: i never messed around with that :S alright...
[12:27] <mkde> hajiki, that is normal i think
[12:27] <Amaranth> mactiny: Which means one wrong command or program bug can completely wipe your HD.
[12:27] <mactiny> but surely that cant be the main complaint
[12:27] <mactiny> but i get what yoy gettign at
[12:27] <hajiki> oh
[12:28] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> anyone here use amarok for playing music ?
[12:28] <mactiny> i am a noob, but dont most distros set you up as root
[12:28] <mkde> toxicfume, ok have you got the package ubuntu-keyring
[12:28] <mactiny> im not trying to stir, just asking so that i can undertsand
[12:28] <Seveas> hajiki, you need to use a gnome-vfs aware text editor
[12:28] <mkde> mactiny, no most set you up as user
[12:28] <Seveas> mactiny, the opposite!
[12:29] <Amaranth> mactiny: Ubuntu doesn't even have a root. most set you up as a user
[12:29] <mactiny> heh ok
[12:29] <mactiny> i understand now
[12:29] <Amaranth> mactiny: Only Linspire and Windows set you up as root
[12:29] <lonewolff> Pop_pa_FrEak: yes
[12:29] <toxicfume> mkde: how do i know that?>
[12:29] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> lonewolff, how did you get an engine to work in amarok ?
[12:29] <mkde> toxicfume, good question. dpkg -l|grep ubuntu-keyring i think
[12:29] <hajiki> Seveas, can u name one please?
[12:29] <Seveas> gedit
[12:29] <lonewolff> Pop_pa_FrEak: engine?
[12:29] <mactiny> thanks for asking my questions
[12:29] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> yes like alsa or akode
[12:29] <hajiki> thats what im using
[12:30] <stevenj77> why is sound so crappy in ubuntu-it works then does'nt?
[12:30] <mkde> toxicfume, if it comes up with ii on the left, you've got it
[12:30] <mactiny> i shall be getting to bed now
[12:30] <toxicfume> mkde: looks like i do
[12:30] <lonewolff> Pop_pa_FrEak: im not using one (it says no engine) it just worked when i opened it
[12:30] <mactiny> "thanks for asking my questions" - from that i think we can see that i need to get to bed
[12:30] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ok I'll search around
[12:30] <Amaranth> hajiki: I can't edit with gedit over sftp either.
[12:31] <Strife> you should edit with vim
[12:31] <mkde> toxicfume, ok try doing "sudo dpkg-reconfigure ubuntu-keyring"
[12:31] <Strife> because vim > *
[12:31] <mkde> gedit is quite nice
[12:31] <Amaranth> Strife: Since when was vim gnome-vfs aware?
[12:31] <Strife> yeah gedit really isn't so bad I guess
[12:31] <penguin42> is gvim? I doubt it
[12:31] <Strife> Amaranth: why the hell do you need that?
[12:31] <toxicfume> mkde: done
[12:31] <mkde> toxicfume, then try update again
[12:31] <hajiki> i love vim and all but like someone said it isnt vfs aware :(
[12:31] <Amaranth> Strife: You'd be surprised.
[12:32] <mkde> toxicfume, btw did you get some "added" messages?
[12:32] <Strife> actually, I think gvim is vfs aware
[12:32] <Amaranth> i doubt it
[12:32] <Strife> well
[12:32] <toxicfume> mkde: nope, didn't get any added messages
[12:32] <Strife> why do you need it to be vfs aware?
[12:32] <penguin42> hajiki: sftp is an evil hack - its not surprising editing is dodgy with it
[12:32] <mkde> toxicfume, what messages did you get?
[12:32] <Amaranth> on ubuntu vim-gtk and vim-gnome are the same thing, not a good sign
[12:32] <penguin42> Strife: Someone trying to edit things over sftp
[12:32] <hajiki> anyone else think thats a bug? or should i not bother with a bug report...
[12:32] <toxicfume> mkde: okay ran the update, and the error is still there but reduced by 1(there were 2 earlier)
[12:32] <Amaranth> Strife: So I can edit files that you access with gnome-vfs?
[12:32] <mkde> toxicfume, which is left?
[12:33] <Amaranth> Strife: Like files somewhere else on a network.
[12:33] <Strife> Amaranth: bah, who needs that?
[12:33] <toxicfume> mkde: i just remember seeing something like processed: 2 unchaged: 2
[12:33] <Strife> :)
[12:33] <mkde> toxicfume, k
[12:33] <dimeo> is there a way to find out what synaptic just installed?
[12:33] <toxicfume> mkde: "W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid BADSIG (alphanumeric characters here) Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>"
[12:33] <mkde> shit
[12:33] <mkde> anyone else have any ideas on that GPG error?
[12:34] <Amaranth> bad mirror
[12:34] <mkde> we just did a dpkg-reconfigure ubuntu-keyring
[12:34] <mkde> Amaranth, but but...
[12:34] <mkde> its the main mirror no?
[12:34] <Amaranth> does security have mirrors? :)
[12:34] <Amaranth> i know archives.ubuntu.com is on a round-robin DNS or some similar feature
[12:35] <mkde> Amaranth, i thought there were only 2 mirrors...
[12:35] <Amaranth> so it looks like the same server but is actually any one of them
[12:35] <mkde> toxicfume, try editing your sources.list and putting us. in front of all the addresses, like this:  http://us.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:35] <toxicfume> so can i somehow change the mirror url?
[12:35] <penguin42> security.ubuntu is one of two machines
[12:35] <toxicfume> mkde: okay
[12:36] <oferw> when is the date for the next release?
[12:36] <mkde> oferw, october
[12:36] <penguin42> mkde: the error is from security.ubuntu.com not archive
[12:36] <mkde> good point
[12:36] <mkde> toxicfume, yeah scrap that idea
[12:36] <mkde> its working here
[12:36] <toxicfume> mkde: even us.security?
[12:37] <toxicfume> okay i'll scrap that
[12:37] <mkde> is there a mirror for security?
[12:37] <penguin42> mkde: there is no us.security
[12:37] <mkde> toxicfume, ^^
[12:37] <mkde> penguin42, could you direct your remarks to toxicfume too pls
[12:37] <penguin42> nod
[12:37] <Lithi> Is there a way to use apt-get to install a package to ramdisk while working off the livecd?
[12:37] <toxicfume> mkde: yeah i saw that
[12:38] <mkde> toxicfume, no idea what is wrong, its working fine here
[12:38] <toxicfume> mkde: damn sucks for me :/
[12:39] <Shuddertrix> Lithi: As far as i know, no, but you can use klik on the livecd (I think)
[12:39] <Lithi> Shuddertrix: Whats klik?
[12:39] <giggsey> [23:38:46]  * mez huggles giggsey -> oO
[12:39] <penguin42> toxicfume: please try changing security.ubuntu.com to   82.211.81.138  and if that doesn't work try 82.211.81.151 - those are the two addresses of security.ubuntu.com (I got that by doing dig security.ubuntu.com)
[12:39] <Mez> :D
[12:40] <Shuddertrix> Klik is meant for knoppix and the likes, it might work for the ubuntu livecd
[12:40] <oferw> any events planned before the release?
[12:40] <giggsey> lol Mez :P
[12:40] <stevenj77> why would sound appear to play in xmms, totem-xine (NO errors) yet no sound from speakers???
[12:40] <Shuddertrix> Lithi: kilk.atekon.de
[12:40] <toxicfume> penguin42: okay, i'll try that now
[12:41] <eyequeue> Amaranth:  mail enroute
[12:41] <nickrud> hmm, isn't hoary updates on archive ubuntu.com, not security?
[12:41] <stevenj77> The volumn monitor (Applications --> sound and video --> volumn monitor)
[12:41] <penguin42> nickrud: Certianly I have archive and security in my apt sources
[12:41] <toxicfume> penguin42: looks like i'm getting some more packages with the first ip
[12:42] <Lithi> Shuddertrix: dns error.. Anyways with this kilk can I install Etheral?
[12:42] <nickrud>  "W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-updates penguin42
[12:43] <Shuddertrix> Lithi: klik.atekon.de
[12:43] <Shuddertrix> Just noticed my typo.
[12:43] <toxicfume> ugh, now i'm beginning to get "503 service unavailable" from the 1st ip
[12:43] <Shuddertrix> Ethereal is on the klik page, yes.
[12:44] <giggsey> Mez -> how long is the kline?
[12:44] <Mez> 10m
[12:44] <giggsey> kk
[12:45] <carlos> hi
[12:45] <nickrud> penguin42 deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[12:45] <penguin42> nickrud: Nod, I have that - but I also have:   deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[12:46] <mkde> nickrud, hoary-updates are separate to hoary-security
[12:46] <eyequeue> penguin42:  both are appropriate
[12:46] <mkde> *grins*
[12:47] <mkde> things are getting surreal
[12:47] <eyequeue> penguin42:  "updates" aren't necessarily related to security issues at all
[12:47] <mkde> eyequeue, we're talking about something else, penguin42 knows that
[12:47] <carlos> can someone tell me how to install a file in ubuntu linux_
[12:47] <nickrud> I defer, I just was suprised that a repository that was security would also have updates
[12:47] <toxicfume> penguin42: i'm trying the 2nd ip now, hopefully i don'tget 503 errors with this
[12:47] <lonewolff> carlos: what king of file?
[12:47] <stevenj77> well after I updated...My sound broke..this is bullshit
[12:48] <toxicfume> er..guess i spoke too soon
[12:48] <hugo> need some help
[12:48] <penguin42> hugo: What's up?
[12:48] <mkde> carlos, you can use the Add/Remove Programs utility in the Applications->System Tools menu, or the more advanced Synaptic package manager in the System->admin menu
[12:48] <hugo> iwconfig keeps saving a key    i dont need      i need different key
[12:48] <hugo> how cani purge the key form iwconfig   in the script
[12:48] <carlos> thanx i will try that
[12:48] <hugo> i think it is using this as default
[12:49] <hugo> penguin42,  any ideas ?
[12:49] <penguin42> toxicfume: OK - if everyone else is fine then it is more likely that something is special about your setup that is broken; so lets put that apt.sources back to the way it was - and then figure out whats up with oyur system
[12:49] <penguin42> hugo: Nope - I'm not a wireless person
[12:49] <hugo> penguin42,  iwconfig i thin is overridung the networ setting for gnome
[12:49] <hugo> penguin42,  where can i edit network devices ??
[12:49] <mkde> hugo, you can set the key in the gnome network utility, iwconfig shouldn't override it
[12:50] <toxicfume> penguin42: so i chnge the ip back to security.ubuntu.com?
[12:50] <penguin42> toxicfume: Nod
[12:50] <hugo> anyone wireless/ubuntu guru here ??
[12:50] <oscarh> hugo, guru or just wireless user?
[12:50] <toxicfume> penguin42: done
[12:50] <oscarh> hugo, i'm on wireless now
[12:50] <penguin42> hugo: System menu->administration->networki settings   - but you need to ask others about wireless
[12:50] <hugo> oscarh,    either  i need to fix this
[12:50] <pirroH> is there some quick how-to for ubuntu+cups web interface enabling??
[12:50] <TriniTriggs> no guru, but my laptop works with wireless.... but if not pinged for 20 minutes, connection dies and works only with system reboot
[12:51] <lonewolff> hug0: whats up with your wireless?
[12:51] <hugo> penguin42,    iwconfig is saving an old essid and old key
[12:51] <penguin42> toxicfume: So how are you connected to the net?
[12:51] <hugo> lonewolff,  i need to change key and have it save
[12:51] <lonewolff> hugo: edit /etc/network/interfaces
[12:51] <pirroH> I've already tried using lppasswd
[12:51] <lonewolff> i had the same problem a while back
[12:51] <hugo> lonewolff,   kewl  ill look now
[12:52] <toxicfume> penguin42: okay here's my config: this computer i'm on ight now (windows) is connected direcly to the internet via the USB ADSL modem. and the ubuntu laptop is connectedto this computer with a crossover cable
[12:52] <lonewolff> toxicfume: set up ICS on the windows machine?
[12:52] <toxicfume> *right
[12:52] <toxicfume> lonewolff: already
[12:52] <oscarh> hugo, iwconfig key off
[12:53] <penguin42> toxicfume: So on the ubuntu box does just going to some random web site work?
[12:53] <jake> Anyone here know a some kind of program to store all sort of login-info?
[12:53] <hugo> oscarh,   doesnt work
[12:53] <hugo> lonewolff, that was it  ty  very much
[12:53] <lonewolff> toxicfume: give the linux machine an ip and tell it to use the windows machine as gateway and all should work
[12:53] <hugo> lonewolff,  the old code was there   i overwrote it there
[12:53] <toxicfume> penguin42: well, X doen't work for me (which i need apt-get update for it to work) so i don'tknow how to try that
[12:53] <hugo> im off to test  ty guys
[12:53] <lonewolff> i had a similar setup a but ago
[12:54] <oscarh> hugo, i see u managed to make it without me :D
[12:54] <lonewolff> s/but/bit
[12:54] <toxicfume> lonewolff: no the internet works fine, that's not the problem  i think
[12:54] <lifeless> yay unison
[12:54] <lonewolff> toxicfume: whats the problem?
[12:54] <penguin42> toxicfume: OK, from the command line try typing   lynx http://www.ubuntu.com
[12:54] <jeff25> heh
[12:54] <toxicfume> penguin42: lynx: command not found...do i have to be in /?
[12:54] <penguin42> lonewolff: He has weirdo gpg errors on trying to do upgrades - but I'm wondering if his network is broke
[12:55] <jake> Anyone here know a some kind of program to store all sort of login-info?
[12:55] <penguin42> toxicfume: Can you install lynx from the install cds ?
[12:55] <toxicfume> penguin42: i have only 1 install cd :/
[12:55] <penguin42> toxicfume: OK, just try apt-get install lynx
[12:56] <toxicfume> penguin42: okay, it's d/ling
[12:56] <penguin42> toxicfume: Is it sucking that over the net?
[12:56] <toxicfume> penguin42: yes
[12:57] <penguin42> hmm - if it manages that then you'd think it would manage the other stuff
[12:57] <hmsmariano> i think i need a plugin for mp3
[12:57] <hmsmariano> may somebody help with this?
[12:57] <hmsmariano> (under ubuntu)
[12:57] <toxicfume> penguin42: yeah, it seems quite wierd
[12:57] <lonewolff> hmsmariano: info in the faq about restricted formats
[12:58] <toxicfume> penguin42: and well, if you still wanted to know lynx can surf ubuntu fine
[12:58] <lonewolff> hmm that is very strange
[12:58] <penguin42> toxicfume: OK - so that means your network isn't horribly broken!
[12:58] <ShadowRage> how do I get tv-out with a nvidia chipset?
[12:59] <toxicfume> penguin42: ah, now wth's causing the gpg error :/
[12:59] <dimeo> can't ubuntu read a msdos floppy disk?  I click on floppy under "places" and it says it can't read the filesystem
[12:59] <lonewolff> di
[01:00] <bzbb> I setup fglrx, and OpenGL stills runs really bad, and fgl_glxgears doesn't work
[01:00] <penguin42> toxicfume: Damned if I know - you need to find someone who really knows how the key stuff works
[01:00] <lonewolff> dimeo: try sudo mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mount/point from command line
[01:00] <penguin42> bzbb: if you do glxinfo does it tell you that rendering is direct?
[01:00] <toxicfume> penguin42: ah..guess i have to wait..this error's irritating hehe
[01:00] <bzbb> penguin42, no
[01:01] <penguin42> bzbb: That's normally a bad sign for 3D stuff
[01:01] <toxicfume> until this complete's, ubuntu wouldn't be ableto display X on my screen :(
[01:01] <bzbb> penguin42, yeah
[01:01] <bzbb> I figured that was the problem
[01:01] <toxicfume> *completes
[01:01] <Enkidu> what does a red file in ls mean?
[01:02] <penguin42> toxicfume: ok, two things I can think of - since I know nothing about how the key stuff works - 1) run a RAM test on your machine - I've seen authentication things fail due to randomly corrupted downloands (unlikely)   2) Is your ISP/windows box adding some crap to your http downloads (e.g. a header or something from a proxy) - I don't know if that would mangle it - but again I think thats unlikely
[01:02] <penguin42> Enkidu: It is normally a symbolic link whose destination file is missing
[01:03] <Enkidu> penguin42, the file is a zip file tho
[01:03] <penguin42> oh
[01:03] <synd> hey guys, how do i put shortcuts (icons) onto the Xfce desktop?
[01:03] <penguin42> Enkidu: Show us the full line of output for an ls -l of that zip file
[01:04] <penguin42> Enkidu: I take it back - red is just compressed files; (red on invert background is broken link)
[01:04] <Enkidu> -rw-r--r--   1 root root 37432551 2005-05-20 12:06 linux-source-2.6.10.tar.bz2
[01:04] <penguin42> Enkidu: Its just highlighting compressed files for you - nothing to worry about
[01:04] <Enkidu> ok
[01:07] <dimeo> is everyone here able to mount their floppy drive properly? This seems pretty stupid...
[01:07] <giggsey> swish!
[01:08] <jake> Anyone know what Gnome uses instead of Kwallet?
[01:08] <Mez> your memory ;)
[01:08] <jake> Hehe
[01:09] <carlos> hi, can someone tell me how to install a downloaded file (like firefox 1.04_)
[01:09] <refuze2looze> is there a program i can browse winamp's internet TV in linux?
[01:09] <fishie> carlos:did you extract it?
[01:09] <carlos> yes i did
[01:10] <fishie> go to terminal. then ./install-sh
[01:10] <ShadowRage> anyone here have composite enabled?
[01:10] <carlos> ok fishie
[01:10] <dimeo> how do I mount the floppy?  system-->computer-->floppy doesn't work
[01:10] <Anubis>  tar -cvvfZz pix.tar.gz stuff/
[01:10] <Anubis> tar: pix.tar.gz: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
[01:11] <twisted_steel> refuze2looze: maybe http://lintelkku.sourceforge.net/
[01:11] <Anubis> whats that mean?
[01:11] <Anubis> and how can I tell tar where to put the new tar.gz?
[01:12] <john6001> hello
[01:12] <Eddie> hello
[01:12] <nbk> whats up people
[01:12] <john6001> how do i install a .deb?
[01:12] <jeff25> aterm -name "Gentoo Terminal" -fn -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-*-120-*-c-*-iso9859-2 -sl 3000 -tr +sb -sr +ls -si -sk -bg black -shad
[01:12] <jeff25> oops
[01:12] <plovs> john6001: sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[01:12] <john6001> ok
[01:12] <john6001> thanks
[01:13] <penguin42> Anubis: Well normally I use tar -cvzf blah.tar.gz stuff   - so what you did looks right although I've never seen z and Z used together
[01:13] <spiderworm> hey all, im trying to figure out where the nfs server share configuration file is.... according to nfs website, it's supposed to be /etc/export, but it's not there and I can't find it anywhere
[01:13] <spiderworm> anybody know where it would be?
[01:13] <penguin42> spiderworm: If you haven't got any yet it won't exist
[01:13] <spiderworm> o i c i create it
[01:13] <spiderworm> penguin42: well that explains it.  thanx
[01:13] <penguin42> nod
[01:13] <lonewolff> spiderworm: /etc/exports actually and it wont exists untill you make it
[01:14] <john6001> any ops here?
[01:14] <Mez> er
[01:14] <Mez> question
[01:14] <john6001> irc ops?
[01:14] <penguin42> spiderworm: No prob - man exports   tells you the format
[01:14] <Mez> the default PHP build doesnt include
[01:14] <refuze2looze> twisted_steel: thanks i'll check it out
[01:14] <Mez> the string functions
[01:14] <Mez> Fatal error: Call to undefined function: stripos() in /var/www/test.php on line 74
[01:14] <spiderworm> No manual entry for exports
[01:14] <lonewolff> spiderworm: got nfs installed?
[01:15] <spiderworm> but i got a website that shows the formats, thanx for the speedy & helpful tips
[01:15] <penguin42> spiderworm: Try installing the nfs-kernel-server package
[01:15] <spiderworm> lonewolff: yes
[01:15] <spiderworm> tyvm
[01:15] <dimeo> off to find out how to fix this stinkin unmountable floppy  l8rz
[01:15] <Eddie> Having problems with installation of Ubuntu 5.04.  After installed it boots up but stops and displays the following: GRUB Load Stage 1.5., Error 2.  Can anyone help me on this
[01:16] <penguin42> ooooh
[01:16] <penguin42> Eddie: Is there anything odd about your machine - os it a nice simple one?
[01:16] <Eddie> its a simple machine
[01:16] <penguin42> hmm; any usb storage devices plugged in?
[01:17] <Eddie> no
[01:17] <penguin42> hmm - what size is your hard drive? Do you know if it is ATA, SATA or SCSI ?
[01:17] <Eddie> 20 G, ATA
[01:17] <nbk> hey, just instaled ubuntu from debian, and gotta say i was freaking amazed when it recognized my wireless card off the bat (1st time thats ever happened to me!). However the OS drivers for my card just plain suck donkey balls, so what do i gotta do to uninstall them so I can ndiswrapper the windows(sry) drivers (works great)
[01:18] <penguin42> Eddie: Dual booting or just ubuntu ?
[01:18] <Eddie> just ubuntu
[01:18] <penguin42> Eddie: Damn - well theres no obvious reason it should break then :-(
[01:19] <stuNNed> nbk: add the OS drivers to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, install ndiswrapper-utils ?
[01:19] <penguin42> Eddie: How did you partition it? How old is the machine it is in?
[01:19] <nbk> acx111 chipset i think
[01:19] <nbk> will that totally stop pthem from loading? thx
[01:20] <ritalin> hello
[01:20] <ritalin> any familiar with scp here?
[01:20] <ritalin> anyone*
[01:20] <penguin42> yes
[01:20] <Eddie> Follow the instructions on the ubuntu cd and partitioned it automatically.
[01:20] <stuNNed> nbk: it should
[01:20] <lonewolff> ritalin: yes
[01:20] <Rev_Fry> Anywho... if folks are getting hangs with AMD64s in either i386 or AMD64 install... try disabling powernowd... it appears to have worked for me
[01:20] <othernoob> anyone know a powerful math program ? (linear algebra, analysis, numerics )
[01:20] <penguin42> Eddie: How old is the machine?
[01:21] <ritalin> othernoob: irb
[01:21] <Eddie> The motherboard is a shuttle MK40 V1.3A
[01:21] <othernoob> ritalin: where can i get it ? is it in universe/multiverse ?
[01:21] <penguin42> Eddie: It should just work
[01:22] <nova> how well does enlightenment run on uuntu?
[01:22] <jake> Anyone know what the ubuntu symbol in synaptic means?...
[01:22] <Eddie> About a 1 year old
[01:22] <ritalin> othernoob: heh its ruby's interactive shell
[01:22] <nova> ubuntu that is
[01:22] <ritalin> python would work too
[01:22] <nbk> cool, im not exactly sure what the OS driver is called though?
[01:22] <psyc> hey, anyone here has ubuntu with amd64 ?
[01:22] <penguin42> othernoob: There is a thing called 'octave' - I don't know if its the type of thing your after
[01:23] <othernoob> ritalin: heh, isnt ruby a programming language while im looking for a math prog ;)
[01:23] <penguin42> othernoob: 'octave - The GNU Octave language for numerical computations'
[01:23] <ritalin> programming languages are good at math
[01:23] <ritalin> othernoob: bc wont cut it?
[01:23] <Eddie> I have read that maybe it cannot find certain files at startup.
[01:24] <othernoob> ritalin: heh yea i could do my own prog in java or haskell, but that's not quite what i want to spend my time with. bc ?
[01:24] <ritalin> type bc in prompt
[01:24] <othernoob> penguin42: thanks, i'll check it out
[01:24] <ritalin> it should be stanard
[01:24] <nova> ok let me phrase a diffrent way if i installenlightenment will i break ubuntu? hehe
[01:24] <ritalin> err standard
[01:24] <penguin42> Eddie: Nod - it sounds like its not able to find either the kernel or more likely some important part of grub; is your drive attached as the primary drive on the first controller?
[01:24] <ritalin> man bc for more info
[01:24] <Eddie> yes
[01:25] <ritalin> i always use irb for math but then again i dont do much math
[01:25] <nbk> stuNNed: from lsmod  "acx_pci               134816  0" would that be it?
[01:25] <lonewolff> night all
[01:25] <stuNNed> nbk: probly so, and everything associated with it
[01:25] <stuNNed> night lonewolff
[01:26] <penguin42> Eddie: Damned if I know then; I suggest   1) See if there are any existing bug reports in the ubuntu bugzilla  2) Boot off a rescue/install cd and see what is actually on the drive - you should find a /boot/grub with a handful of files
[01:26] <Madpilot> does anyone know if it's possible to add more genres to SoundJuicer's listings? it's pretty limited...
[01:26] <othernoob> ritalin: just checked out bc, and no, i'd need a quite a bit more advanced prog. not just simple 1+1=2 (or 0 in F_2 ;) )
[01:27] <ritalin> heh
[01:27] <ritalin> othernoob: http://www.5z.com/jirka/genius.html
[01:27] <ritalin> i hear its pretty powerful
[01:27] <ritalin> like a opensource mathematica
[01:27] <nbk> stuNNed: associated with it? any way to tell whats associated with it?
[01:27] <Eddie> Do I use the same installation CD or Do  I have to make a rescue CD
[01:28] <othernoob> ritalin: now we're talking :) looks promising :)
[01:28] <stuNNed> nbk: any others that have acx next to them or wlan or the like
[01:28] <penguin42> Eddie: If you are good with a command line then the install cd can get a prompt on alt-f2 I think; else I think youre probably going to have to find other suggestions
[01:28] <stuNNed> nbk: hopefully if you add them to the blacklist when you reboot they will not load and you can use ndiswrapper
[01:28] <alfonso> alguien en espaol?
[01:29] <nbk> stuNNed: cool, thanks, guess ill go try it out, later
[01:29] <stuNNed> nbk: cya, good luck
[01:29] <ritalin> ok scp question time
[01:29] <thechitowncubs> Does anyone know the IRC channel for NVU?
[01:29] <thechitowncubs> channel and server...
[01:30] <ritalin> Im connected to my webserver via ssh, id like to download my index.html so i can work on it at home
[01:30] <Eddie> Well I am new to the world of Linux.  I am an older of Windows operating system
[01:30] <stuNNed> ritalin: scp file user@remotebox:/somedir
[01:30] <Eddie> should I say oldie of windows
[01:30] <penguin42> Eddie: You've hit a problem that shouldn't happen - you're going to need to have someone sit down at your machine and help - is their a LUG near you?
[01:30] <ritalin> i hav4e been using sftp but it seems like alot of trouble to have to end the connection
[01:30] <ritalin> stuNNed: k ill try it
[01:30] <alejandro_> hello .... a quick quistion
[01:31] <alejandro_> how to change folder's permissions by root terminal ??
[01:31] <Eddie> what do you mean by "LUG"
[01:31] <stuNNed> alejandro_: with chmod command
[01:31] <tenebrous> Linux User Group
[01:31] <penguin42> Eddie: A Linux User Group - there are lots - find one and they should be able to help
[01:31] <alejandro_> an example plz ....
[01:31] <penguin42> Eddie: There is probably one near you
[01:31] <bexandy> hola a todos
[01:32] <bexandy> hi people
[01:32] <airox> hi bexandy
[01:32] <bexandy> somebody spaak in spanish here ?
[01:32] <bexandy> speak spanish?
[01:32] <bexandy> somebody?
[01:32] <stuNNed> bexandy: there is #ubuntu-es or something
[01:32] <airox> #ubuntu-es
[01:32] <airox> :)
[01:32] <penguin42> ritalin: If you open the file browser then you can open a network connection via ssh and use the filebroweser to copy things if you find that more convenient
[01:32] <bexandy> thx
[01:33] <Eddie> How do I find a LUG?
[01:33] <ritalin> penguin42: nah cause its more then just a webserver so im always ssh'd into it
[01:33] <stuNNed> Eddie: there is listing at linux.org afaik
[01:33] <ritalin> my school gives me a sunOS account to play with
[01:33] <penguin42> Eddie: I'd google for LUG and your nearest city - where are you?
[01:33] <Eddie> New York City
[01:34] <stuNNed> ah, plenty LUG's there i'm sure :)
[01:34] <penguin42> Eddie: http://www.nylug.org/home/index.shtml
[01:35] <bexandy> excuse, how can i connect to ubuntu-es ?
[01:35] <Eddie> ok, thank you
[01:35] <alejandro_> how do i change permissions by chmod ?? (example: /home/myfolder)
[01:35] <Merlin615> hey all, need some help setting up a printer
[01:35] <ritalin> bexandy: /join #ubuntu-es
[01:35] <bexandy> where?
[01:35] <ritalin> from the prompt you type with
[01:36] <mz2> how'd i run the similar X autoconfiguration that Ubuntu does during the installation?
[01:36] <ritalin>   /join #ubuntu-es
[01:36] <bexandy> ok thx
[01:36] <ritalin> np
[01:36] <bexandy> thanks ritalin
[01:36] <bexandy> :)
[01:36] <penguin42> Eddie: Sorry I couldn't fix the problem
[01:37] <Eddie> no problem, I appreciate your interest in helping others.
[01:38] <Merlin615> any had experience setting up a lexmark z35 or similar usb printer?
[01:41] <Madpilot> Merlin615: I've got a Lexmark Z32 w/ USB
[01:42] <Merlin615> ok, got a z35, found the suse driver on the net
[01:42] <Merlin615> get an error when running it though
[01:43] <Madpilot> Merlin615: I didn't have to install any drivers for my Z32, it auto-detected when Ubuntu started...
[01:43] <Merlin615> 32, 35 isn't though
[01:43] <othernoob> isnt suse rpm based ?
[01:44] <othernoob> did you alienate the rpm ?
[01:44] <Merlin615> no
[01:44] <Merlin615> .gz.sh
[01:44] <Merlin615> type
[01:44] <othernoob> Merlin615: here's a guide for the z615 http://www.staerk.de/thorsten/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=43
[01:45] <othernoob> maybe you can use it accordingly
[01:46] <MauroNet> Hi, Do you install any Postgre on Ubuntu?
[01:46] <Madpilot> Merlin615: Linuxprinting.org has no listing for the Z35...
[01:46] <Merlin615> ok, thanks
[01:47] <othernoob> Madpilot: linuxprinting.org has no listing for brother hl-2030 , hl-2040 and both work flawlessly..
[01:47] <thechitowncubs> Is there any way to use "soft links" in nvu?
[01:47] <thechitowncubs> For Example, i have my webpage in this directory on my computer ( /home/thechitowncubs/website/thechitowncubs/ )   and all my files are in there the same way they are on the website... but when i use the same files from the website locally, they css doesn't get loaded or any of the images because it is looking for it in my root directory of my computer, not my /home/thechitowncubs/website/thechitowncubs directory... get it n
[01:47] <thechitowncubs> ow?
[01:47] <Madpilot> othernoob: true, and I've noticed a lot of the newer printers aren't listed at all, either.
[01:48] <Madpilot> which is too bad, because I'm looking to ditch my Lexmark...
[01:48] <Madpilot> anyone want a Z32 that works when it feels like it? :)
[01:48] <othernoob> Madpilot: yea :/ and it also doesnt mention anything about official drivers, if there are some
[01:48] <thechitowncubs> lol
[01:48] <othernoob> heh Z32.. i had the z31..no thanks lol never lexmark again..
[01:49] <Madpilot> othernoob: yup, I'm going Canon or Epson this time. Lexmark has the most INSANE ink prices!
[01:49] <othernoob> Madpilot: are you getting a laserprinter?
[01:50] <Madpilot> othernoob: no, another inkjet.
[01:50] <othernoob> it's always been cheaper to buy a new lexmark than buying their ink cartridges ;)
[01:51] <Madpilot> othernoob: no kidding...
[01:51] <raDeon> what up
[01:55] <Madpilot> othernoob: neither of the inkjet models I'm interested in are listed at linuxprinters.org... :(
[01:57] <beginner> hello
[01:57] <hybrid> everyone leavin
[01:57] <hybrid> beginner: hello
[01:57] <beginner> is any metod to install aol?
[01:57] <JStrike> beginner : AOL instant messenger?
[01:57] <hybrid> beginner: aol...
[01:58] <fortran01> beginner: you can use gaim
[01:58] <beginner> aol soft
[01:58] <hybrid> beginner: isp im browser
[01:58] <othernoob> Madpilot: did you check out the forums at linuxprinting.org ? maybe they are mentioned there, the hl 2030 and 2040 were mentioned there as well
[01:58] <othernoob> which is why i got the 2030 :)
[01:58] <hybrid> beginner: what is soft
[01:58] <JStrike> beginner : Not sure what aol soft is
[01:58] <beginner> like in xp
[01:58] <beginner> when i install all of it
[01:58] <hybrid> beginner: explain plz
[01:58] <beginner> all aol
[01:58] <fortran01> beginner: you can use http://gaim.sourceforge.net/
[01:58] <JStrike> beginner : It is called AOL Soft?
[01:59] <JStrike> fortran01 : He said it wasn't instant messenger
[01:59] <beginner> i dont know how it is named:)
[01:59] <Madpilot> othernoob: didn't even know there were forums there. ;| will have to check them out
[01:59] <hybrid> beginner: what does it do
[01:59] <beginner> did u on xp ever have aol?
[02:00] <othernoob> Madpilot: :)
[02:00] <hybrid> nope
[02:00] <beginner> i had it
[02:00] <hybrid> b/sides aim
[02:00] <JStrike> beginner : I think he might be talking bout the whole AOL shebang
[02:00] <othernoob> Madpilot: are you an experienced linux-user ?
[02:00] <JStrike> beginner : Only the AOL Instant Messenger is available
[02:00] <othernoob> oO shebang :O reminds me of the good ole pornsites i used to go to :/
[02:00] <Madpilot> othernoob: hardly! been on Ubuntu less than two weeks, WinXP & 98 before that!
[02:01] <othernoob> Madpilot: ah i see.
[02:01] <beginner> on xp i take aol8+ and with install i install it
[02:01] <beginner> ok
[02:01] <JStrike> beginner : No. That isn't available
[02:01] <beginner> ok
[02:01] <beginner> thankyou
[02:02] <JStrike> beginner : What part of it do you need? You can do similar things with different programs. i.e the app you are using now as apposed to AOL ChatRooms
[02:03] <beginner> i loved aol
[02:03] <beginner> :)
[02:03] <refuze2looze> i'm trying to open a video stream in VLC that is full so i want it to keep re-trying over and over again.. i tried putting it in a play list and enabling repeat playlists and that didn't work.. anybody have any idea how i can have vlc keep retrying to play it?
[02:03] <othernoob> you're a weird person beginner ;)
[02:03] <beginner> maybe
[02:03] <beginner> ;)
[02:04] <refuze2looze> nvm i got it =)
[02:04] <JStrike> othernoob : A large part of the internet populace loves AOL
[02:04] <hybrid> JStrike: that percent is dropping though
[02:04] <othernoob> JStrike: i don't deny their weirdness ;)
[02:04] <Madpilot> JStrike: but the rest of us can't figure out why they love it... :)
[02:05] <hybrid> JStrike: come on who is goin to pay for an extra service ontop of your existing broadband
[02:05] <JStrike> Madpilot : I can easily understand it
[02:05] <hybrid> JStrike: genuis for them stupid for the consumer
[02:05] <othernoob> hybrid: depends on the "service" ;)
[02:07] <hybrid> othernoob: AOL service rofl
[02:09] <raDeon> LOL AOL
[02:10] <refuze2looze> AOL
[02:10] <JStrike> I really dislike people with superior attitudes
[02:10] <refuze2looze> i saw everyone else writing it
[02:11] <JStrike> refuze2looze : :-)
[02:11] <Fanskapet> hmm anyone have a suggestion for a "good" GUI for wlan-management? eg. changing/searching hotspots etc.
[02:11] <Fanskapet> im not really satisfied with the GNOME network-management app.
[02:12] <Fanskapet> and that GNOME-applet sucks big time.. runs slow as hell.. may well be some missconfiguration from my side that makes it slow though.
[02:12] <Jeezis> Fanskapet: kwifimanager is the only other one i know of
[02:12] <refuze2looze> wtf.. wxVLC keeps exiting due to Segmentation Fault
[02:12] <Fanskapet> Jeezis, oh that's the one with that terrible GUI :)
[02:12] <Jeezis> yup :-p
[02:12] <Fanskapet> yuck :)
[02:13] <Fanskapet> it's a coder who done that one :) not a designer :) that's for sure :)
[02:13] <Jeezis> true that
[02:13] <Jeezis> but my wireless never worked
[02:13] <Prophet> hey everyone, i keep getting this error when i try to compile stuff "No acceptable C compiler found in $PATH  See 'config.log' for more details" any ideas how to fix this?
[02:13] <glick> prophet apt-get install gcc
[02:13] <Burgundavia> Prophet, you need to install build-essential
[02:13] <Prophet> i have it thoug
[02:14] <Prophet> h
[02:14] <JStrike> Prophet : You probably dont have an acceptable C compiler installed
[02:14] <Prophet> 3.4.4
[02:14] <Burgundavia> Prophet, that will get gcc
[02:14] <Fanskapet> hmm okey.. well i have it running in my current install it's just that the network-administration app sucks for management of a wlan card.
[02:14] <Prophet> im running ubuntu
[02:14] <Burgundavia> Prophet, and other things you need
[02:14] <Prophet> i have gcc
[02:14] <Fanskapet> or well it works but not as i want it too.
[02:15] <Prophet> is there a way i can get gcc into $PATH or something?
[02:15] <Fanskapet> Jeezis did you use the ndiswrapper?
[02:15] <glick> Prophet, type 'which gccc'
[02:15] <glick> Prophet, type 'which gcc'
[02:15] <Prophet> which gcc
[02:15] <Prophet> ?
[02:15] <Jeezis> Fanskapet: nope the atmel driver
[02:15] <glick> Prophet, type that into the command prompt
[02:15] <Prophet> ok
[02:15] <Fanskapet> Jeezis ahh okey.. well ndiswrapper worked for me
[02:16] <Fanskapet> running a 64bit driver from windows..
[02:16] <Jeezis> i have a belkin f5d6020ver 2
[02:16] <Prophet> nothing comes up
[02:16] <glick> prophet that means its not installed
[02:16] <Prophet> then distrowatch lies lol
[02:16] <Jeezis>  god my 2 yr old cousin is wreaking havoc with my comp
[02:17] <glick> 'apt-get install gcc' at the command line as root
[02:17] <Jeezis> asdgfeft7u
[02:17] <Fanskapet> :)
[02:17] <Jeezis> rrjyyy3uki
[02:17] <nbk> stuNNed: hey whats up, got it working, now i just have to add "modprobe ndiswrapper" somewhere so it loads at startup but i forget where
[02:18] <Jeezis> rui90o.uirf45gffhyrerybhiQWQ XS3GVdrj3e5] sssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
[02:18] <Jeezis> wwgtj[
[02:18] <hybrid> Jeezis: STFU
[02:18] <ajmitch> Jeezis: please don't
[02:18] <othernoob> couldn't have said it better Jeezis
[02:19] <Fanskapet> hehe i have some kind of ugly installation of mine :)
[02:19] <hmsmariano> hey people
[02:19] <hybrid> hello hmsmariano
[02:19] <Jeezis> sorry 2 yr old kives buttons
[02:19] <hmsmariano> anybody can help with mp3 plugins for ubuntu?
[02:20] <J35U5> hmsmariano, use xmms
[02:20] <thingfish> hmsmariano: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:20] <hmsmariano> yes J35u5
[02:20] <Fanskapet> i followed some newbie tutorial and ndiswrapper is being activated at startup.. however i get some nasty error something like "couldn't load driver module" blahablaha.. but my wlan is working anyway :)
[02:20] <hmsmariano> i've done that but xmms and beep hang up
[02:20] <J35U5> hmm.
[02:20] <hmsmariano> when trying to play an mp3
[02:21] <nbk> hey, i just set up my wireless card with ndiswrapper, what file do oi gotta change so ndiswrapper gets modprobed at boot though? thx
[02:21] <hmsmariano> is it necessary to install a plugin?
[02:22] <Fanskapet> rc.d should work i guess
[02:22] <jhave> Hi
[02:22] <Shuddertrix> Odd. Gnome is not saving the list of startup applications correctly.
[02:22] <hmsmariano> hi jhave
[02:22] <jhave> can i get 600*400 in grub ?
[02:22] <Fanskapet> hmm gotta reinstall my ubuntu installation, it's just so messy right now.
[02:22] <Fanskapet> and maybe i could get that damn FGLX driver to work this time.. hummz
[02:22] <Fanskapet> crappy shit
[02:23] <jim64654> can someone help me configure a modem?
[02:23] <hybrid> jim64654: MORE INFO PLZ
[02:23] <jhave> sombody there get the new cdroms ?
[02:23] <hybrid> srry for the caps
[02:23] <raDeon> HAHAHA CAP GUNS
[02:23] <jhave> i ordre some but dont get it
[02:23] <jim64654> i made a post here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=190881#post190881
[02:23] <spanglesontoast> anyone know how to compile programs?
[02:24] <reisio> spanglesontoast: man gcc
[02:24] <Fanskapet> btw anyone here that had successfully got the glfx driver to work with an ATI Mobility 9700?
[02:24] <hmsmariano> which ones, jhave?
[02:24] <hmsmariano> hoary=
[02:24] <Prophet> ok i got gcc and it works, no i get "C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check"
[02:24] <Prophet> now*
[02:24] <raDeon> HAHAA HOARY TIGER
[02:24] <glick> when do you think xfce 4.2 will be put into debian testing or unstable?
[02:24] <Fanskapet> have tricked around alot with it.. but i always got a black screen upon xorg startup.
[02:24] <Fanskapet> (64bit driver)
[02:24] <Shuddertrix> glick: this isn't #debian, this is #ubuntu
[02:25] <glick> oops
[02:25] <hybrid> glick: ubuntu has 4.2.1
[02:25] <glick> :)
[02:25] <Burgundavia> glick, to answer your question, I suspect after the sarge release
[02:25] <Burgundavia> Prophet, did you install build-essential?
[02:25] <raDeon> HAHAHA YOUR MOTHER'S NAME IS MURRAY
[02:25] <glick> BurgerMann, should be after a couple of days no?
[02:26] <Prophet> doing so now
[02:26] <Burgundavia> glick, no idea when, but RSN
[02:26] <reisio> Shuddertrix: that's a horrible thing to say :/
[02:26] <reisio> Shuddertrix: Ubuntu should aim for Debian compatibility
[02:26] <glick> RSN>
[02:26] <glick> ?
[02:26] <reisio> where would it be without Debian
[02:26] <raDeon> reisio: ideally.
[02:26] <spanglesontoast> is there a package for firestarter?
[02:26] <Burgundavia> spanglesontoast, yes
[02:26] <CowBrain> evening yall
[02:26] <hybrid> reisio: ubuntu is compatible but we are not *debian*
[02:26] <Burgundavia> reisio, we do, at the source level, not at the binary level
[02:26] <Prophet> ok works now thanks
[02:26] <raDeon> however in an ideal world, we wouldn't have to deal with john kerry
[02:27] <jhave> hmsmariano, some of INTEL32 and some of AMD64
[02:27] <reisio> hybrid: according to Ian Murdock, Ubuntu packages are often not compatible :p
[02:27] <BR0KEN> nautilus automatically opened when i stuck a data cd in the drive.  how can i stop this behavior?
[02:27] <spanglesontoast> where?
[02:27] <Burgundavia> raDeon, your statement are off topic and somewhat rude, can you please tak yourself somewhere else
[02:27] <thingfish> I second that
[02:27] <Burgundavia> reisio, on SARGE, not SID, which Ubuntu syncs to
[02:27] <PacoBCN> Hi people. Anyone works or managed to work with infrared port?
[02:27] <BR0KEN> raDeon is funny.
[02:27] <Burgundavia> spanglesontoast, in universe. Have you enabled it?
[02:27] <spanglesontoast> not sure
[02:28] <reisio> derivative distributions are silly imo
[02:28] <spanglesontoast> I tend to use synaptic
[02:28] <navreet> John Kerry!
[02:28] <Burgundavia> spanglesontoast, in syn settings-->repos
[02:28] <Burgundavia> spanglesontoast, add --> click on universe and multiverse
[02:28] <CowBrain> man kubuntu i didnt know there was one with kde in it
[02:29] <CowBrain> hmmmm
[02:29] <CowBrain> i may have some work to do heh
[02:29] <Burgundavia> reisio, Ubuntu aims to be as close to Debian as possible. We are very aware of the debt we owe them
[02:29] <spanglesontoast> ah ty
[02:29] <spanglesontoast> yea but you beat them lol
[02:30] <raDeon> Burgundavia my comment was not off-topic at all
[02:30] <raDeon> it was highly on topic
[02:30] <Jeezis> good lord sorry about that
[02:30] <jim64654> can anyone help me configure my modem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=190881#post190881
[02:30] <Burgundavia> raDeon, john kerry and someones mothers name is completely off topic for #ubuntu
[02:30] <thingfish> *plonk
[02:30] <thingfish> for raDeon, that is.
[02:30] <kikdadog> i need a little help with my cd writer, anybody want to try
[02:30] <raDeon> No it's not because john kerry does not support the ubuntu project
[02:31] <Jeezis> my little cousin discovered the limitless fun that are laptop keyboards
[02:31] <thingfish> hehe
[02:31] <kikdadog> but al gore invented the net
[02:31] <raDeon> kikdadog
[02:31] <raDeon> your mother's name is al gore
[02:31] <CowBrain> whats the best info site for ubuntu
[02:31] <kikdadog> umm,
[02:31] <spanglesontoast> what does sun-rpc portmap mean?
[02:32] <Burgundavia> CowBrain, what sort?
[02:32] <kikdadog> anybody a ubuntu genius
[02:32] <Burgundavia> spanglesontoast, if you don't know, you don;t have to worry about it
[02:32] <Burgundavia> RPC is remote procedure call
[02:32] <kikdadog> ???
[02:32] <Burgundavia> Sun is Sun, of Java
[02:32] <spanglesontoast> ah ok
[02:32] <raDeon> CowBrain www.google.com
[02:32] <spanglesontoast> so I can let it through?
[02:32] <kikdadog> i need a guru
[02:32] <CowBrain> hmmm not sure i understand the question Burgundavia though im using the latest release the hoary hedgeho i think it is
[02:32] <hybrid> kikdadog: i am a genuis and use ubuntu do i qualify
[02:32] <Lafitte-> anyone familiar with the built in wireless gui and iwconfig both ?    have question about connecting
[02:33] <Burgundavia> CowBrain, forums at ubuntuforums.org
[02:33] <Burgundavia> CowBrain, help here or there
[02:33] <CowBrain> ok thanks
[02:33] <Burgundavia> CowBrain, wiki for help
[02:33] <kikdadog> if u can figuire out my prob u will qualify
[02:33] <jim64654> i posted there and no help
[02:33] <hybrid> kikdadog: whts up
[02:34] <kikdadog> when i insert a blank cd it is automatically recognised, but when i try to burn , it cant find the cd
[02:34] <kikdadog> the writer i mean
[02:35] <othernoob> how do i install gnome ?
[02:35] <thingfish> apt-get install gnome
[02:35] <hybrid> is the burner prog  config to see the burner
[02:35] <othernoob> thanks, thought so, wasnt sure if that's all
[02:36] <thingfish> how did you get ubuntu installed, without installing gnome?
[02:36] <othernoob> kubuntu ;)
[02:36] <thingfish> I was thinking that...
[02:36] <jhave_> sombody there can help me whit grub ?
[02:36] <spanglesontoast> could have told us that we were hanging there
[02:36] <spanglesontoast> :D
[02:36] <thingfish> hehe
[02:36] <othernoob> i prefer kde, but the prog genius needs gnome ..
[02:37] <kikdadog> yea k3b sees it, all graveman and, gnomebaker see it. the strange thing is when i try to configuire xcdroast it doenst see a thing freeses on the looking for devices screen
[02:37] <Fanskapet> agh.. i feel the need for a virtual-cdrom device in XP64!
[02:37] <Fanskapet> don't have CDR's at home right now :/
[02:38] <hybrid> can u burn w/teh rest?
[02:38] <kikdadog> nope
[02:38] <hybrid> o
[02:38] <jim64654> god this sucks, fuck linux if i can't even install modem.
[02:38] <spanglesontoast> does firestarter sit on top of my iptables?
[02:38] <kikdadog> same prob, they run to the point of just about writing to the cd and they stop
[02:38] <thingfish> modems can be tricky, since a lot of them are winmodems.
[02:38] <Fanskapet> jim64654 is your kernel compiled with PPP ?
[02:38] <cg88> anyone willing to help me out with a weird audio problem?
[02:38] <Shuddertrix> spanglesontoast: I'm pretty sure that firestarter uses iptables, if that's what you mean..
[02:39] <kikdadog> they dont stop they freeze
[02:39] <spanglesontoast> yea
[02:39] <thingfish> Fanskapet: he's a newbie, how does he know?
[02:39] <jim64654> umm, wouldn't know. i just freshly installed it from the cd i got today.
[02:39] <spanglesontoast> what's SSDP?
[02:39] <Fanskapet> thingfish, ok.. probably not then :)
[02:39] <thingfish> hehe
[02:39] <Fanskapet> agh.. damn i miss BeOS :(
[02:39] <thingfish> aack
[02:40] <Fanskapet> the simplicity.. the neat fast little GUI
[02:40] <Fanskapet> ahh
[02:40] <Fanskapet> those were the days
[02:40] <thingfish> Fanskapet: you want #beos
[02:40] <cg88> Fankapet: What's the last version of BeOS you ran?
[02:40] <Fanskapet> cg88 Zeta
[02:40] <kikdadog> i always fiddleing with crap, i must have buggered something up
[02:41] <Fanskapet> thingfish i want what? :)
[02:41] <kikdadog> and seeing i cant burn a cd, i cant back my stuff up
[02:41] <jim64654> why isn't there the usr/src/<version> directory to make my driver?
[02:41] <kikdadog> its a vicious cycle
[02:42] <J35U5> anyone know how to play WMV's in xmms?
[02:42] <thingfish> I'll swear, there is nothing but crazy people in this channel.
[02:42] <J35U5> lol why do you say that?
[02:42] <CowBrain> where is the apt sources list again
[02:42] <mr_XP> Hello Does Ubuntu have somekind of register to configure applications and os settings?
[02:42] <Fanskapet> nothing wrong with crazy people..
[02:43] <jim64654> all i want is my modem to work god damnit
[02:43] <jim64654> lol
[02:43] <Shuddertrix> J35U5: Try using a video player instead of a music player.
[02:43] <Fanskapet> it's normal to be un-normal
[02:43] <raDeon> crazy people are the BEST
[02:43] <Davey|Ubuntu> I do miss YaST :/
[02:43] <othernoob> thingfish: after installing gnome, will kde still be the standard windowing system ?
[02:43] <spanglesontoast> are there such thing as debian girls ?
[02:43] <hybrid> othernoob: yea
[02:43] <J35U5> Shuddertrix, There were no decoders found to handle the stream in file "file:///home/lateralus/Desktop/Nocturne/05%20Walk%20Away.wma", you might need to install the corresponding plugins
[02:44] <spanglesontoast> install gdm aswell othernoob
[02:44] <othernoob> hybrid: thanks
[02:44] <J35U5> oh crap its a wma
[02:44] <thingfish> othernoob: I don't know, but regardless, if gdm is installed along with gnome, you should be able to select it.
[02:44] <othernoob> gdm ?
[02:44] <hybrid> othernoob: np
[02:44] <Shuddertrix> J35U5: Oh, you mean wma. You need xmms-wma then.
[02:44] <thingfish> othernoob: even if it's still using kdm, you should then have gnome as a choice.
[02:44] <J35U5> Shuddertrix, thanks im gonna get it now.
[02:44] <Shuddertrix> You can get it on the ubuntu guide addon cd, it even alienates the rpm for you
[02:44] <mr_XP> Hello Does Ubuntu have somekind of register to configure applications and os settings?
[02:45] <jim64654> someone go to my post on the ubuntu forums, figure out my problem, then post the solution, i will give you 50000+ PPCDs
[02:45] <spanglesontoast> yea trust me install for now it will make life easier
[02:45] <thingfish> mr_XP: there is no windows style registry
[02:45] <spanglesontoast> it allows you to switch guis
[02:45] <raDeon> where can i find pictures of debian girls
[02:45] <spanglesontoast> desktop guis
[02:45] <apollo2011> mr_XP Linux doesn't have an equivalent to the Windows registry
[02:45] <hybrid> jim64654: PPCD?
[02:45] <spanglesontoast> I just asked that radeon
[02:45] <jim64654> yeah
[02:45] <hybrid> whats PPCD
[02:45] <othernoob> spanglesontoast: i wasn't doubting that, i didnt know what gdm is ;) but thanks, i'll install it
[02:45] <spanglesontoast> windows registry sucks.
[02:45] <mr_XP> Then how can I configure settings?
[02:45] <thingfish> mr_XP: IT'S A WHOLE NEW WORLD, BABY!
[02:46] <Shuddertrix> spanglesontoast: If you mean women that use Debian and the likes, my wife enjoys using ubuntu on her notebook. ;)
[02:46] <spanglesontoast> use your brain
[02:46] <spanglesontoast> think mr xp
[02:46] <jim64654> i will give you 50000 maybe 60000 if you figure out my modem problem
[02:46] <spanglesontoast> lol shuddertrix
[02:46] <othernoob> Shuddertrix: do you mind sharing ;)
[02:46] <mr_XP> ok
[02:46] <Shuddertrix> othernoob: Yes, infact i do mind.
[02:46] <spanglesontoast> I was going to start being bitchy but I'll stay put
[02:46] <Shuddertrix> No begging for pictures, either.
[02:46] <hybrid> 50000 wat? wat is PPCD
[02:46] <othernoob> :/ lol
[02:46] <mr_XP> one more question
[02:47] <Fanskapet> raDeon, do you live up to your name?? then solve this.. why.. do i get a black screen upon starting xorg with ATI's own glx driver? :D
[02:47] <Fanskapet> raDeon you have 10 seconds counting from not :)
[02:47] <Fanskapet> now even :)
[02:47] <othernoob> Shuddertrix: id get in trouble with my gf anyway ;)
[02:47] <spanglesontoast> has anyone got any attractive debian girl pics ?
[02:47] <spanglesontoast> :P
[02:47] <thingfish> hehe spanglesontoast
[02:47] <hybrid> spanglesontoast: heh
[02:47] <Fanskapet> spanglesontoast there are no such thing as debiangirls
[02:47] <Davey|Ubuntu> what is the preferred path for non-standard binary installations?
[02:47] <thingfish> sure there are
[02:47] <spanglesontoast> told you I was bitchy
[02:48] <mr_XP> Does onyone know how to configure the plugin for firefox to play videos from msn.com?
[02:48] <jim64654> fine, no one gets my reward then
[02:48] <CowBrain> grrr whats the package tag for mplayer in apt
[02:48] <Fanskapet> probably some odd strange geek invented in his sick brain
[02:48] <Fanskapet> :)
[02:48] <Shuddertrix> spanglesontoast: You'll have to figure out how to get into my /photos if you want any.
[02:48] <thingfish> they all weigh about 185 and have pimples.
[02:48] <Davey|Ubuntu> CowBrain: apt-cache search mplayer
[02:48] <spanglesontoast> lol
[02:48] <CowBrain> hmmmm thanks davey ill try that im new to apt
[02:48] <Fanskapet> and no... it wasn't me :D
[02:48] <Davey|Ubuntu> CowBrain: not a problem :)
[02:49] <jim64654> anskapet> and no... it wasn't me :D
[02:49] <jim64654> <Davey
[02:49] <jim64654> wtf?
[02:49] <Fanskapet> hmm time to hit the pillow for the night soon.. getting late here in sweden..
[02:49] <CowBrain> Davey|Ubuntu, hmmm you have any idea what this is this is the output of that command
[02:49] <spanglesontoast> ok is there some fit woman in clothes then?
[02:49] <CowBrain> mga-vid-source - Kernel driver for the back-end scaler on Matrox cards (source)
[02:49] <Davey|Ubuntu> CowBrain: thats not it
[02:50] <CowBrain> suddenly i look even more confused :P
[02:50] <jim64654> im going back to windows 2kpro
[02:50] <Fanskapet> tired after bitching with a new CPU-fan installation and FreeBSD a whole day.. *yawns*
[02:50] <cafuego> Please tell me breezy has not been fixed yet.
[02:50] <Davey|Ubuntu> CowBrain: look for something with the same description as mplayer :)
[02:50] <CowBrain> i didnt think that was it but thats what came out with the apt-cache
[02:50] <raDeon> where can i find the debian girls
[02:50] <Davey|Ubuntu> CowBrain: I guess its not in apt
[02:50] <Shuddertrix> raDeon: how about this, try #debian ;)
[02:51] <Shuddertrix> you should say, "where can i find the ubuntu girls"
[02:51] <spanglesontoast> theres not really a mascot thou for ubuntu
[02:51] <hybrid> ubuntu pR0n
[02:51] <spanglesontoast> it's like this weird circle
[02:51] <hybrid> lol
[02:51] <Shuddertrix> it's a circle of 3 people.
[02:52] <hybrid> circle o' friends
[02:52] <CowBrain> man i miss ports in FBSD but give me a couple days ill get the hang of this apt system
[02:52] <cafuego> The debian girl are out the back, in the shower, soaping eachother up.
[02:52] <cafuego> CowBrain: It's pretty good, sort of like ports minus the wait whilst stuff compiles.
[02:52] <spanglesontoast> yea but it would be good if ubuntu had a mascot
[02:53] <cafuego> spanglesontoast: I offered mnyself, but the judges vomited...
[02:53] <Shuddertrix> does it need one?
[02:53] <Fanskapet> mascot's sucks
[02:53] <Fanskapet> looks so unproffersional
[02:53] <geetergod> is this ubuntu chat?
[02:53] <spanglesontoast> yes geeter
[02:54] <Shuddertrix> geetergod: if this is still #ubuntu, then yes.
[02:54] <Fanskapet> it's way better that the team works some more on the kernel than inventing a stupied ugly mascot
[02:54] <cafuego> Fanskapet: Must be why toyota is doing so badly
[02:54] <geetergod> i just downloaded Americas Army, saved it on my desktop, how do i install it?
[02:54] <Fanskapet> cafuego probably
[02:54] <spanglesontoast> oh dear.
[02:54] <darko__> is it possible to make a link with arguments? for example a link to 'mplayer -lavdopts 1'
[02:54] <geetergod> it opens it up in a word editor program when i double click it
[02:54] <hybrid> AA for linux?
[02:55] <hybrid> will it work on PPC?
[02:55] <geetergod> ya AA for linux
[02:55] <Davey|Ubuntu> cafuego: perhaps you know the answer to my question, where is the preferred default path for 3rd party binary installs?
[02:55] <Fanskapet> geetergod, if it's a binary.. just click it i guess. if it's a compressed file.. just unpack it :)
[02:55] <cafuego> hybrid: 99% certain it won't.
[02:55] <cafuego> Davey|Ubuntu: /usr/local
[02:55] <hybrid> cafuego: :'(
[02:55] <hybrid> there is NO ppclin games
[02:55] <cafuego> hybrid: commericla linux developers (especially for games) invariably do x86 (i386) only
[02:55] <geetergod> why does it wanna open it with Text Editor?
[02:56] <Fanskapet> geetergod try running it from a terminal
[02:56] <spanglesontoast> I love how many new games are coming onto linux
[02:56] <hybrid> cafuego: bigger market
[02:56] <cafuego> hybrid: there's supertux, tuxracer, frozen-bubble
[02:56] <othernoob> spanglesontoast: such as ?
[02:56] <darko__> spanglesontoast: there are?
[02:56] <cafuego> hybrid: Maybe their code is so bad it won't compile on non-x86
[02:56] <spanglesontoast> erm
[02:56] <geetergod> i just had my bro put ubuntu on my puter, i couldnt take windows anymore
[02:56] <Fanskapet> ./american-army-crappy-game-blahablaha
[02:56] <spanglesontoast> that one
[02:56] <spanglesontoast> enemy territory
[02:56] <nekohayo> someone, is there a way to WRITE ntfs on the ubuntu live cd?
[02:56] <hybrid> cafuego: heh I want AA tho
[02:56] <hybrid> lol
[02:57] <Fanskapet> hmm ntfs rw is not a good choice
[02:57] <cafuego> hybrid: A one-way ticket to Iraq shouldn't be too expensive ;-)
[02:57] <geetergod> what do i type in the terminal?
[02:57] <hybrid> cafuego: yea
[02:57] <darko__> nekohayo: try captive-ntfs, but since you don't know how to seacrh google i doubt you get captive working :P
[02:57] <Fanskapet> the ntfs write support screwed up my last w2k3 installation
[02:57] <cafuego> hybrid: Seriously though, for linux gaming you'll need an x86 box.
[02:57] <darko__> there's also a commercial solution...
[02:58] <nekohayo> I wanted to ask here for the U LIVECD, not for general linux applications since I didn't know which one was in use, and I have no time
[02:58] <nekohayo> so thanks
[02:58] <hybrid> cafuego: ok i wont have games
[02:58] <cafuego> spoonman2: That's coz they have intelligence
[02:58] <spanglesontoast> what does port 8008 do?
[02:58] <spoonman2> cafuego, :-/
[02:58] <geetergod> Fanskepit u here?
[02:58] <hybrid> spanglesontoast: boob port?
[02:58] <Shuddertrix> geetergod: 'sh ./armyops230-linux.run' should work, without the '
[02:58] <Fanskapet> yes
[02:58] <cafuego> hybrid: Well, there's the prepackaged ones...
[02:59] <geetergod> thanks
[02:59] <Fanskapet> if you mean Fanskapet that is
[02:59] <cafuego> hybrid: ... but not the new commericla ones.
[02:59] <Davey|Ubuntu> how do I mount an NTFS filesystem?
[02:59] <spanglesontoast> :(
[02:59] <darko__> Fanskapet uses beos?
[02:59] <hybrid> cafuego: yea i have played gnu tetris for ever
[02:59] <spanglesontoast> well it's coming from my router
[02:59] <cafuego> hybrid: <heh> There's better ones :-)
[02:59] <spoonman2> Davey|Ubuntu, man mount
[02:59] <hybrid> cafuego: XFCE so kde games n gnome
[02:59] <cafuego> hybrid: frozen-bubble is nice. I prefer gnocatan myself (but that's based on a boardgame)
[02:59] <Davey|Ubuntu> spoonman2: well, I did mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/C but it no workie :/
[02:59] <Fanskapet> darko__, not at the moment since my only workstation "Ferrari 3200 laptop" doesn't work well toghether with BeOS/Zeta.
[03:00] <hybrid> i love tetris
[03:00] <geetergod> says no such file or directory
[03:00] <darko__> hehe :) visste jeg hadde sett deg anng beos :)
[03:00] <Davey|Ubuntu> ah, the problem is I'm not root :/
[03:00] <Shuddertrix> geetergod: you are in the directory it downloaded to, right?
[03:00] <Shuddertrix> and it downloaded as armyops230-linux.bin?
[03:00] <darko__> Fanskapet: petter kanskje?
[03:01] <Fanskapet> Davey|Ubuntu, should work with just mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/blah, ubuntu should know the filesystem type as default.
[03:01] <cafuego> hybrid: 'apt-cache search game' should list a few hundred for you.
[03:01] <hybrid> lol
[03:01] <Fanskapet> darko__, mjao.. petter?
[03:01] <geneo93> beos was great in its day
[03:01] <spoonman2> Davey|Ubuntu, try to find out what /dev/C is? it could be that C is not the name of the device, the devicename would be /dev/hda[1 or 2 or...]  or something similar.
[03:01] <nekohayo> I hate SP2 -_-
[03:01] <cafuego> hybrid: 'bzflag' is a little bit like a 3d shooter, and is networked.
[03:01] <geetergod> i just opened up the terminal
[03:01] <hybrid> lol
[03:01] <geetergod> i saved it to the desktop
[03:01] <hybrid> cafuego: bzflag is nice
[03:02] <spanglesontoast> why is my browser so slow at loading pages?
[03:02] <darko__> Fanskapet: du som lagde en del beos sider og snn :) det hukser jeg, var ogs noe med opera?
[03:02] <geneo93> freecraft is nice also
[03:02] <dabaSlon> spanglesontoast: did you clear your cache?
[03:02] <dabaSlon> and cookies.
[03:02] <darko__> geneo93: haiku is on it's way though :P
[03:02] <cafuego> spoonman2: Just felt like it
[03:03] <Shuddertrix> geetergod: cd Desktop
[03:03] <Fanskapet> darko__: mjo hll i BeGaming tillsammans med BeEmulated snubben en svng.. hmm opera?
[03:03] <spanglesontoast> this is more or less a brand new install
[03:03] <geetergod> i downloaded it from the AA site on the desktop
[03:03] <dabaSlon> spanglesontoast: yeah, I was here when you installed it, it depends on the amount of web pages you visit, not the time.
[03:03] <cafuego> fried too
[03:03] <darko__> Fanskapet: ah
[03:03] <dabaSlon> spanglesontoast: tahts only the first thing you can try, tho.
[03:04] <dabaSlon> spanglesontoast: do that, and tell me if it is faster.
[03:04] <geneo93> darko__:  i dont see that for a few more years
[03:04] <geetergod> sorry i suck at this, first day with it
[03:04] <geneo93> and then it will be at R5 level
[03:04] <spanglesontoast> nope
[03:05] <spanglesontoast> it isn't
[03:05] <spanglesontoast> althought it started when I install firestarter
[03:05] <dabaSlon> ok, thats a legit reason too. fireewalls slow down your computer.
[03:05] <dabaSlon> try disabling it.
[03:05] <darko__> geneo93: yeah... i need my wine and games :)
[03:05] <ced_> I'm just curious, but how are shipit cds free? Wouldn't it cost substantially more to ship a cd with cdart and a case with coverart then a blank cdr?
[03:05] <darko__> that's wine as in linux wine
[03:05] <ced_> err not to ship, but to make
[03:05] <Davey|Ubuntu> wtf...
[03:06] <dabaSlon> I would  just like to point out that a game called Americas Army is just fooling young americans into thinking it is fun and games in the army...
[03:06] <Davey|Ubuntu> Music Player (Rythmbox) says it can't play MP3 files :/
[03:06] <spanglesontoast> I got rid of it
[03:06] <geetergod> its fun tho :)
[03:06] <dabaSlon> spanglesontoast: good, so, you cleared out the cache?
[03:06] <spanglesontoast> I don't care I'm not american lol
[03:06] <geetergod> im old enough to know better hah
[03:06] <dabaSlon> and copokies?
[03:06] <spanglesontoast> yea
[03:06] <Fanskapet> agh my drink-glass is empty now :/ does that mean that it's the end of the night? :/
[03:06] <spanglesontoast> all
[03:07] <darko__> haha
[03:07] <dabaSlon> spanglesontoast: great, please tell me if you know your ISPs home page, and if you do, please type it in.
[03:07] <LinuxJones> dabaSlon, that's why they developed it :)
[03:07] <Fanskapet> or does it mean that I need to get a refill? :D
[03:07] <spanglesontoast> why would you need to know that?
[03:07] <dabaSlon> so you can ping their site, to see if there is congestion.
[03:07] <dabaSlon> :)
[03:07] <hybrid> Fanskapet: refill always
[03:07] <dabaSlon> I work for COmcasgt tech soupport, I get 5 ppl with slow speed every day:)
[03:08] <hybrid> dabaSlon: heh] 
[03:08] <geetergod> can u guys help me install it tho? my first day on ubuntu
[03:08] <Fanskapet> hybrid ahh oke
[03:08] <spanglesontoast> 1919 ms
[03:08] <thingfish> Fanskapet: I haven't heard "last call" yet.
[03:08] <Fanskapet> okey even...
[03:08] <spanglesontoast> jeez something is odd on here
[03:08] <dabaSlon> I would if I knew how, well, maybe not, but in any case I dont:)
[03:08] <geneo93> darko__:  i have dano/exp and R5 on this box
[03:08] <LinuxJones> geetergod, we can help sure :)
[03:08] <dabaSlon> ok, yes, that is too high.
[03:08] <spanglesontoast> fluxing to 29 ms
[03:08] <Shuddertrix> geetergod: run the sh armyops230-linux.run again
[03:08] <spanglesontoast> then going back up to 2000s
[03:08] <Fanskapet> geneo93, lucky bastad!
[03:08] <Shuddertrix> but, after doing a cd Desktop
[03:08] <dabaSlon> Please traceroute to there now.
[03:09] <geetergod> where do i go to run it, in Terminal correct?
[03:09] <Shuddertrix> yes
[03:09] <spanglesontoast> where?
[03:09] <dabaSlon> and paste the rwesult onto pastebin.com
[03:09] <Fanskapet> geneo93, BeOS won't boot with my monitor on the lappie... im forced to connect an external monitor to get it to work
[03:09] <spanglesontoast> what's the command for traceroute?
[03:09] <mpm> anyone have experience configuring multiple keyboard layouts with xkb directly (without gnome gui too) that can help me?  I can't seem to get it working
[03:09] <dabaSlon> I dont know:)
[03:09] <dabaSlon> Let me find out.
[03:09] <LinuxJones> geetergod, you put the cd in your drive and re-boot...press and hold the c button while it boots
[03:09] <Davey|Ubuntu> grrrr
[03:09] <thingfish> Fanskapet: you want #deadend
[03:09] <Davey|Ubuntu> I can't get MP3s to play :/
[03:10] <hybrid> Davey|Ubuntu: mplayer?
[03:10] <hybrid> thingfish: heh
[03:10] <thingfish> ;)
[03:10] <spanglesontoast> either way is there a way to restore iptables
[03:10] <geetergod> theres no CD, i downloaded it
[03:10] <JStrike> Davey|Ubuntu : And you have the gstreamer0.8-maad plugin?
[03:10] <spanglesontoast> to it's defaults/
[03:10] <spanglesontoast> ?
[03:10] <geetergod> i donloaded it from the AA site
[03:10] <LinuxJones> geetergod, your installing on a seperate computer jsut for Linux or are you dual-booting with windows ?
[03:10] <dabaSlon> Davey|Ubuntu: did you read www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats ?
[03:10] <Davey|Ubuntu> JStrike: for what exactly? :)
[03:10] <geneo93> hmmm thats not nice i thought nvidia dad flat screens covered
[03:10] <dabaSlon> thats the one for mop3s.
[03:10] <geetergod> yah, i just got linux, no windows
[03:11] <dabaSlon> spanglesontoast: oh, it was you with iptables?
[03:11] <geetergod> but i dont have the CD for AA, just downloaded it
[03:11] <JStrike> Davey|Ubuntu : You need the gstreamer0.8-mad plugin to play mp3's
[03:11] <dabaSlon> man iptables, I guess.
[03:11] <spanglesontoast> huh firestarter and shorewall
[03:11] <LinuxJones> geetergod, AA ?
[03:11] <spanglesontoast> I got rid of them
[03:11] <dabaSlon> ok, get rid of the iptables, as well.
[03:11] <geetergod> AmericasArmy
[03:11] <spanglesontoast> cos I thought they had done something weird
[03:11] <LinuxJones> geetergod, ohh
[03:11] <dabaSlon> iptables did something weird more likely, cause you are new, and it is an expert tool/
[03:11] <geetergod> sorry if i type slow, i got a cast on, broke my elbow
[03:12] <spanglesontoast> if I remove and reinstall the iptables
[03:12] <spanglesontoast> will my problem be ok?
[03:12] <geneo93> Fanskapet:  what video card you have
[03:12] <LinuxJones> geetergod, your installing Ubuntu right or AA ?
[03:12] <dabaSlon> it is possible, I doubt it tho. Cause...you need to specify that you want the config files purged, let me find the command.
[03:12] <geetergod> im trying to install AA
[03:12] <geetergod> im on Ubuntu now
[03:12] <dabaSlon> and, I cant tell the future:)
[03:12] <thingfish> yikes how does one break one's elbow?
[03:12] <CowBrain> wierd no gcc by default on ubuntu installs
[03:12] <LinuxJones> geetergod, it's just a file that ends in .sh or .bin right ?
[03:13] <wulfy814> does anyone know how to get randr support (rotate my lcd portrait?)
[03:13] <geetergod> .run
[03:13] <spanglesontoast> ok
[03:13] <wulfy814> it's always greyed out in all linux distros for me
[03:13] <LinuxJones> CowBrain, sudo apt-get update && apt-get install build-essential
[03:13] <LinuxJones> geetergod, perfect
[03:13] <geetergod> ok
[03:14] <dabaSlon> dpkg --purge iptables , does anyone think that is the right command to remove a program and its config files?
[03:14] <LinuxJones> geetergod, do you know where you downloaded the AA installer file ?
[03:14] <CowBrain> oh LinuxJones i got gcc installed but i just found it wierd they dont have that install when doing base installation
[03:14] <thingfish> that would about do it, dabaSlon.
[03:14] <geetergod> on the desktop
[03:14] <dabaSlon> ok, do that, spanglesontoast, then see your speed, then reinstall again, if you want it.
[03:15] <dabaSlon> thanks^
[03:15] <thingfish> although I would be more tempted to use synaptic or apt-get to remove it.
[03:15] <spanglesontoast> done it
[03:15] <spanglesontoast> works
[03:15] <spanglesontoast> :D
[03:15] <dabaSlon> faster?
[03:15] <spanglesontoast> ya
[03:15] <thingfish> safer
[03:15] <LinuxJones> CowBrain, one of the goals of Ubuntu is that nobody will have to compile anything :)
[03:15] <geneo93> i thought you could purge with apt
[03:15] <spanglesontoast> how can I be sure that iptables is running?
[03:15] <mpm> Anyone know a way to invoke the gnome-keyboard-layout-daemon/tool from another WM (ie xfce)??
[03:15] <dabaSlon> yeah, I thought it would be iptables, it is an expert tool, I never mess around with firewalls, and port forwarding, and what not, Ill have to learn it one day...
[03:15] <CowBrain> ahhh gotcha but mplayer isnt on apt list and i cant find a .deb for it sigh
[03:16] <jhave> where can i find convert ?
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> got any funky apps I can try out
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> ?
[03:16] <geetergod> when i try opening it it opens in gedit
[03:16] <JStrike> CowBrain : Why do you need mplayer?
[03:16] <geneo93> CowBrain:  enable universe
[03:16] <jhave> where can i find convert ?
[03:16] <geetergod> and just kinda freezes gedit
[03:16] <CowBrain> i did enable universe
[03:16] <jhave> where can i find convert ?
[03:16] <Shuddertrix> geetergod: because it isn't a text file
[03:16] <dabaSlon> a command to print out all processes taht are running | grep 'iptables'
[03:16] <dabaSlon> :)
[03:17] <CowBrain> JStrike, because Mplayer is the ultimate video player available for nix platforms today
[03:17] <dabaSlon> spanglesontoast: are you asking me if I have funky apps?
[03:17] <geetergod> yah i know thats why i wanna find out how to open it in the right spot
[03:17] <JStrike> Nah
[03:17] <spanglesontoast> yea
[03:17] <LinuxJones> geetergod, you need to cd to the directory holding the file and type sh whateverAAsfilename.run is from within gnome-terminal
[03:17] <spanglesontoast> i get bored lol
[03:17] <hybrid> how do i remove a directory
[03:17] <dabaSlon> Im more into rap...:-p
[03:17] <dabaSlon> jj
[03:17] <geneo93> cow look at restricted formats
[03:17] <dabaSlon> k, well, do you have a picture viewer?
[03:17] <CowBrain> JStrike, what have you found that is better maybe you can convert me :)
[03:17] <mpm> hybrid rmdir if it's empty rm -r if it's not
[03:17] <nickrud> heh, sources.list is now http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ExampleConffiles
[03:17] <spanglesontoast> me?
[03:17] <dabaSlon> nice:)
[03:17] <raDeon> WHERE DO I FIND HOT DEBIAN WOMEN
[03:17] <dabaSlon> yeah, sorry
[03:17] <nickrud> and it's been fun
[03:18] <dabaSlon> hehe, radeon.
[03:18] <JStrike> CowBrain : Well, I like gstreamer, but if not use totem-xine
[03:18] <spanglesontoast> don't think I do have it installed
[03:18] <raDeon> dabaSlon are you a hot debian woman
[03:18] <dabaSlon> no, sorry.
[03:18] <spanglesontoast> lol
[03:18] <Davey|Ubuntu> so, I'm still trying to find the preferred third part software installation path - any suggestion
[03:18] <raDeon> are you an ugly debian woman
[03:18] <raDeon> i'm getting desperate
[03:18] <dabaSlon> spanglesontoast: there is a program called gqview, it is good for pictures/
[03:18] <JStrike> raDeon : Dude, you are irritating
[03:18] <geetergod> that like the Yoper CD?
[03:18] <raDeon> JStrike ok.
[03:18] <LinuxJones> raDeon, they don't exist :)
[03:18] <hybrid> mpm: ty
[03:18] <dabaSlon> JStrike: why are you always trolling?
[03:18] <CowBrain> annoying is an understatment JStrike
[03:19] <spanglesontoast> slideshows?
[03:19] <dabaSlon> so what if he said that?
[03:19] <raDeon> you're a troll get out from my bridge
[03:19] <othernoob> what do i need to download to get libtermcap.so.2 ?
[03:19] <CowBrain> err irritating i mean
[03:19] <mpm> this look familiar anyone?   Option  "XkbLayout" "us,es"
[03:19] <JStrike> dabaSlon : Where have I been trolling?
[03:19] <dabaSlon> I dont kno, you always have an attitude, it seems.
[03:19] <raDeon> OH YEAH WELL I HOPE YOU GET BOVINE SPONGIFORM ENCEPHALOPATHY
[03:20] <CowBrain> hmmm
[03:20] <dabaSlon> spanglesontoast: well, preview, and taht, prolly has a sliedshow, not sure.
[03:20] <JStrike> dabaSlon : And where have I shown attitude?
[03:20] <LinuxJones> raDeon, please stop using caps ;)
[03:20] <dabaSlon> radeon, please dont use caps like that, one of the ops will ban you.
[03:20] <Q_Continuum> *sigh* I dont' want to have to figure out how to get this processor running at max speed, but I so want 2.4GHz not 1.6GHz...
[03:20] <spanglesontoast> ya has a slidshow
[03:20] <dabaSlon> JStrike: ok, sorry, just forget it, its not important.
[03:21] <Madpilot> dabaSlon: trouble is there aren't any mods around right now. This clown as been here for a couple hours already...
[03:21] <dabaSlon> spanglesontoast: I use gtk-gnutella for p2p...
[03:21] <Q_Continuum> the RAM is automatically upped when I increase the CPU clock...and I can't change the ratio >.<
[03:21] <dabaSlon> really?
[03:21] <dabaSlon> haha
[03:21] <dabaSlon> sorry:(
[03:21] <raDeon> LinuxJones that's a reasonable request.
[03:21] <Hackmo> Hey all, anyone know how I can turn on surround sound support?
[03:21] <LinuxJones> raDeon, TYVM
[03:21] <Hackmo> I have cambridge soundworks speakers
[03:21] <spanglesontoast> limewire my fav
[03:22] <dabaSlon> spanglesontoast: well, this one is for a fact better. I mean, I find. I used limewire, but it does not even have a search more function.
[03:22] <raDeon> no problems
[03:22] <LinuxJones> ;)
[03:22] <raDeon> i like this ubuntu crew very polite
[03:22] <dabaSlon> it just gives you as many results it wants, no regards of how many you want.
[03:22] <spanglesontoast> ah okies
[03:22] <dabaSlon> This one is real GNU, I think.
[03:22] <spanglesontoast> eventally trying to build a user friendly version of freshmeat
[03:23] <dabaSlon> then, glabels for making cd labels, and any  labels you can imagine, I think.
[03:23] <geneo93> CowBrain:  look here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:23] <spanglesontoast> no printer here
[03:23] <spanglesontoast> hehe
[03:23] <dabaSlon> thanks, raDeonwe want to like you too:)
[03:23] <geneo93> business cards also
[03:23] <abarbaccia> hey all - how do i setup the samba config file so I have a username and password to log into my samba shares (i can see them but can't log in to access them on anything but localhost)
[03:24] <dabaSlon> well, I never used it neither, jsut ahve it cause some ppl I find know lots on this channel, recommended it.
[03:24] <giga1> hello
[03:24] <spanglesontoast> aho k
[03:25] <raDeon> see i ordered the ubuntu cds and im going to give it a go so i'm test driving the irc channel
[03:25] <Hackmo> can anyone help me with my webcam problem?
[03:25] <Hackmo> It is picked up on boot up but wont work
[03:25] <dabaSlon> thats it, I have a dj app, and maybe some programming IDEs, and standard ubuntu stuff, I use epiphany for browsing tho, I like its appearance bettetr, and it is built on mozilla-ff, in fact wont install without ff.
[03:25] <dabaSlon> hackmo, usually webcams are not working i linux.
[03:25] <dabaSlon> try googleing to find if your model is supported.
[03:25] <dabaSlon> done?
[03:25] <giga1> does anyone know if 802.11b wi-fi stuff works?
[03:25] <pepsi> uhm
[03:25] <Hackmo> dabaSlon: i've googled but not found anything
[03:25] <dabaSlon> giga1: depends on the card, i think.
[03:26] <pepsi> hey, can i use breezy yet? ;)
[03:26] <giga1> yea i was kinda worried about that.... i have a cheapo trendware wi-fi card...
[03:26] <dabaSlon> Hackmo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras is a list...:)
[03:26] <cafuego> pepsi: not if you like X
[03:26] <dabaSlon> not complete, tho.
[03:26] <geetergod> So i downloaded Americas Army onto the desktop now i dont know how to install it
[03:26] <geneo93> no
[03:26] <pepsi> cafuego, i heard there was a fix for the X-not-starting problem
[03:26] <dabaSlon> giga1: look into ndiswrapper, it will tell you if yours works in linux.
[03:27] <dabaSlon> cafuego: lol
[03:27] <dabaSlon> If you like x...:)
[03:27] <geneo93> look at the readme file
[03:27] <cafuego> pepsi: Yeah, downgrade X to the hoary version. Only took 2 hours to fix the horribly broken depends and conflicts.
[03:27] <cafuego> giga1: What card do you have?
[03:27] <dabaSlon> I always save the chinese symbols like that.
[03:27] <cafuego> oh, trendware
[03:28] <dabaSlon> geetergod: is there a readme file?
[03:28] <geetergod> no
[03:28] <geetergod> i dont believe so
[03:28] <dabaSlon> what is there, and where did you download it from?
[03:28] <cafuego> giga1: Do you have a model number?
[03:28] <Shuddertrix> Odd.
[03:28] <giga1> yea...
[03:28] <giga1> tew-229ub
[03:28] <cafuego> geetergod: sh ./downloaded_file.bin normally.
[03:28] <LinuxJones> geetergod, first hit alt+F2 and type gnome-terminal (press enter) then type cd Desktop then sudo sh theAAfile.run (enter your user account password)
[03:28] <Shuddertrix> bash: ./armyops230-linux.run: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Text file busy
[03:29] <Shuddertrix> wait, there it gos
[03:29] <Shuddertrix> goes
[03:29] <dabaSlon> chmod +x...
[03:29] <dabaSlon> ?
[03:29] <cafuego> giga1: "Works with linux with the AT76C503A/5/5A drivers, but it was a bitch to get working."
[03:29] <Hackmo> dabaSlon: my camera is supported and it supposed to work on bootup
[03:30] <glick> hot damn my desktop rocks!
[03:30] <Shuddertrix> geetergod: open terminal, chmod +x Desktop/armyops230-linux.run && sh Desktop/armyops230-linux.run
[03:30] <dabaSlon> Hackmo: nice...well, then, I dunno:)
[03:30] <Hackmo> dabaSlon: ok then thanks for your help
[03:30] <dabaSlon> no need for sudo, raelly.
[03:30] <dabaSlon> welcome:)
[03:30] <giga1> ok cool, thanks a bunch for the info, i'll give it a whirl and see if i can make some magic happen
[03:30] <geetergod> ok i did cd Desktop
[03:30] <dabaSlon> scroll up:)
[03:30] <geetergod> sudo sh, then i typed my password...
[03:31] <dabaSlon> good.
[03:31] <geetergod> then it came up with sh-3.00#
[03:31] <cafuego> giga1: If you google for "Linux tew-229ub" you'll find a whole heap of stuff.
[03:31] <dabaSlon> :)
[03:31] <Shuddertrix> geetergod: no, sudo sh ./armyops230-linux.run
[03:31] <Shuddertrix> don't run sh, use sh
[03:31] <dabaSlon> where is that file from?
[03:31] <geetergod> k
[03:32] <Shuddertrix> dabaSlon: it's the America's Army file
[03:32] <dabaSlon> I just wanna see it.
[03:32] <dabaSlon> maybe it is a script, or whatever, I kinda wanna see it.
[03:32] <giga1> coolness
[03:32] <Shuddertrix> I have it running now, it is an installer.
[03:32] <dabaSlon> ah, cool, then you are good.
[03:33] <dabaSlon> im out, I am sick, I have to rest...I got a cold at the end of May:-/
[03:33] <Shuddertrix> shell script, about 745mb (complete installer) ;)
[03:33] <dabaSlon> ha:)
[03:33] <Shuddertrix> Been meaning to install it anyways.
[03:33] <geetergod> Verifying archive integrity...
[03:33] <kestas> for some reason mounting things with smbfs doesnt work in /etc/fstab, but it does work doing it manually
[03:33] <Shuddertrix> I want to know why my GTK fonts are all large, however
[03:33] <kestas> heres the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/291517
[03:33] <giga1> ok thanks everybody for your help!
[03:33] <Shuddertrix> geetergod: congrats, you have it working.
[03:33] <kestas> can someone explain how the hell that is possible?
[03:33] <geetergod> umm now what?
[03:34] <geetergod> sweet
[03:34] <geetergod> uncompressing it
[03:34] <dabaSlon> kestas: should include the fstab:)
[03:34] <raDeon> what's the difference between the ubuntu value tshirt and the regular one
[03:34] <dabaSlon> hahahaha
[03:34] <Shuddertrix> Wait for it to open the license agreement screen.
[03:34] <dabaSlon> lol
[03:34] <kestas> dabaSlon: I did http://pastebin.com/291517
[03:34] <Shuddertrix> Then, it's fairly simpy to install
[03:34] <dabaSlon> ah:)
[03:34] <dabaSlon> I suck.
[03:35] <Shuddertrix> Anyone know why Ubuntu has a weird GTK1 font size and font by default?
[03:35] <Hackmo> If I plug in my USB webcam after the computer has booted up will it automatically work or will I need to mount it?
[03:35] <Dr_Melectaus> Is the torrent tracker still down ??
[03:35] <dabaSlon>  /topic
[03:36] <kestas> /mnt/PubStore mounts just fine, why would one smbfs server mount fine, and another not??
[03:36] <Dr_Melectaus> jesus h christ when will the tracker be back up
[03:36] <dabaSlon> :-/
[03:36] <kestas> theyre both FreeBSD with samba3, and the same config
[03:36] <pepsi> what _was_ jesus's middle name?
[03:36] <pepsi> henry?
[03:36] <kestas> h is for holy
[03:37] <pepsi> hrm
[03:37] <kestas> (its not his real middle name)
[03:37] <dabaSlon> ??
[03:37] <spinifex> I don't think peoeple had middle or last names at that time.  It was <firstname> of <region>
[03:37] <dabaSlon> ah.
[03:37] <dabaSlon> bye
[03:37] <Dr_Melectaus> pepsi, : Harold i believe :P
[03:37] <pepsi> heh
[03:37] <fishie> hank
[03:37] <kestas> spinifex: youve been watching the passion :P
[03:38] <spinifex> uh, I hated that movie
[03:38] <spinifex> and I'm not religous
[03:38] <kestas> yeah he really came across as a cult leader in it
[03:38] <Dr_Melectaus> pepsi: Are you the same pepsithat used to be part of zerolimit ?
[03:38] <pepsi> wtf is zerolimit?
[03:38] <kestas> but lets start a flame war later; can someone see whats up with this: http://pastebin.com/291517 ?
[03:38] <Dr_Melectaus> irc.zerolimit.net
[03:38] <pepsi> no sir
[03:39] <Dr_Melectaus> never mind pepsi, by that comment i doubt its you :)
[03:39] <fishie> pepsi were you an aoler?
[03:39] <spinifex> but surnames are quite a bit more recent than Jesus I believe.  <firstname> <fathersname>son or <firstname> <trade> are other common formats
[03:39] <pepsi> years and years ago, yeah
[03:39] <fishie> you made some punter or something
[03:39] <pepsi> lol, i made a OneClick "hell" palette
[03:40] <spinifex> wha?
[03:40] <pepsi> heh
[03:40] <pepsi> just a bunch of macros to do shit like be annoying or mass mail all your warez
[03:41] <spinifex> what, like the B1FF filter?
[03:41] <pepsi> ?
[03:41] <spinifex> www.isketch.net had a really annoying one.  You just type a command before your message, and it translates it into really annoying warez d00d speak
[03:42] <Shuddertrix> armyops works fine ;)
[03:42] <Brad_c> yo
[03:43] <kestas> can any geniuses/geniei tell me why this [ http://pastebin.com/291517 ]  happens?
[03:44] <Dr_Melectaus> So when the hell is the tracker going to be back up then??
[03:44] <Brad_c> guys i have a major prob
[03:44] <kestas> it works on the command line, but not in fstab?
[03:44] <geetergod> ok its been installing 4ever
[03:44] <Dr_Melectaus> its been down for about a week now
[03:44] <kestas> it works in fstab for one server, but not for another server?
[03:44] <Brad_c> i installed ubuntu but when i go into Synaptec Package Manager i see no kde desktop environment
[03:45] <Brad_c> any ideas?
[03:45] <Brad_c> i installed ubuntu but when i go into Synaptec Package Manager i see no kde desktop environment
[03:45] <pepsi> uhm
[03:45] <pepsi> install the kubuntu package
[03:46] <Brad_c> ill lool
[03:46] <Brad_c> look*
[03:46] <pepsi> wtf
[03:46] <geneo93> Brad_c:  is that warty or hoary
[03:46] <Brad_c> huh
[03:46] <Brad_c> ?
[03:46] <pepsi> your date
[03:46] <pepsi> is she warty or hoary?
[03:46] <pepsi> or grumpy?
[03:46] <geneo93> uname -r
[03:46] <kestas> so can anyone here answer questions which dont get asked thousands of times per day?
[03:47] <pepsi> no
[03:47] <geneo93> sleezy
[03:47] <pepsi> yes! that should be next
[03:47] <geetergod> who helped me to install Americas Army?
[03:48] <geneo93> kestas:  your samba mounts failed
[03:48] <raDeon> that was me
[03:48] <kestas> geneo93: okay thanks for the response, but I can see that from the "SMB connection failed" message, I want to know why
[03:48] <kestas> geneo93: in particular why it works when I type mount -t smbfs blablabla instead of mount /mnt/storage/
[03:49] <kestas> geneo93: how can there be a difference? they should be exactly the same thing
[03:50] <Brad_c> does kde install off the internet?
[03:50] <Brad_c> does kde install off the internet?
[03:51] <kestas> why doesnt sound work, is there a firewall, how do I get xmms, why doesnt mplayer play .wmvs, how do I get kde, which wm is the best?
[03:51] <abarbaccia> kestas, the problem then is in your fstab file, because it gets the info from fstab when you type mount /mnt/storage
[03:51] <kestas> there have I got your attention?
[03:51] <kestas> SMB connection failed
[03:51] <Brad_c> does kde install off the internet?
[03:51] <Brad_c> does kde install off the internet?
[03:51] <Brad_c> does kde install off the internet?
[03:51] <Brad_c> does kde install off the internet?
[03:51] <geneo93> sorry kestas was watching tv
[03:51] <Brad_c> does kde install off the internet?
[03:51] <kestas> abarbaccia: but theyre the same damn thing, they use the same options, the same everything
[03:51] <abarbaccia> Brad_c, STOP or LEAVE
[03:51] <Brad_c> answer me
[03:51] <abarbaccia> yes
[03:51] <natex> Brad_c, no
[03:51] <ahammond> Brad_c: two things you need to know
[03:51] <abarbaccia> natex, it does too - from apt-get
[03:51] <Brad_c> does it or not?
[03:51] <geneo93> Brad_c:  yes
[03:52] <ahammond> Brad_c: 1) nobody here is obliged in any way to help you
[03:52] <natex> abarbaccia, I wasn't answering his pestering question
[03:52] <abarbaccia> oh
[03:52] <Brad_c> isnt this tech support?
[03:52] <abarbaccia> sorry
[03:52] <geetergod> ive been installing Americas Army for like 10minutes now....
[03:52] <natex> abarbaccia, s'ok
[03:52] <LinuxJones> Brad_c, of course it does don't be rude !!
[03:52] <geetergod> its Installing Base Install
[03:52] <geetergod> is this normal?
[03:52] <Shuddertrix> Brad_c: it's community support.
[03:52] <ahammond> Brad_c: 2) so, if you want help, you need to ask politely and respect other people
[03:52] <xoz> kestas: possible that storage is owned by root? ls -ld /mnt/storage
[03:52] <kestas> its the FAQ channel ffs
[03:52] <geneo93> its not on the cd (hint)
[03:52] <Brad_c> funny if i spam people help
[03:52] <Brad_c> lol
[03:52] <abarbaccia> Brad_c, we are not paid, and please use google first for obvious questions
[03:53] <Brad_c> lol
[03:53] <Brad_c> ahahaha
[03:53] <pepsi> dont be an ass, dude
[03:53] <kestas> xoz: drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 48 2005-05-16 04:23 /mnt/storage/
[03:53] <Brad_c> when i spam i get answers
[03:53] <Shuddertrix> Brad_c: You annoy us with the spam, we had to make you stop.
[03:53] <kestas> xoz: it is owned by root, is that a prob?
[03:53] <natex> too late he alreadu is
[03:53] <LinuxJones> Brad_c, if you spam you will get a ban ... is that funny to you ?
[03:53] <Shuddertrix> Do it again, and I think you might just get banned
[03:53] <abarbaccia> we need a mod in here to kick him off
[03:53] <xoz> kestas: that's it. change is to the user
[03:53] <pepsi> i think its funny!
[03:53] <ahammond> Brad_c: consider who you're annoying and then recall that your IP is visible.
[03:53] <Brad_c> when i ask politely i get NO answers
[03:53] <xoz> *it*
[03:53] <Brad_c> well thanks anyway
[03:53] <Brad_c> take it easy
[03:53] <pepsi> bye, loser
[03:53] <abarbaccia> Brad_c, patience pays off - and google has 95% of the answers - a lot faster than we do
[03:53] <ahammond> Brad_c: it's possible that nobody knows the answer to your question
[03:54] <natex> hehe pepsi
[03:54] <kestas> xoz: Ill try it, but isnt that what uid=1000 is for? and why would it work using 'mount' if that was a problem?
[03:54] <raDeon> that guy's a moron
[03:54] <geneo93> maybe thats because we are helpig someone else
[03:54] <ahammond> pepsi: that was a little quick
[03:54] <pepsi> :(
[03:54] <raDeon> how dare he show disrespect
[03:54] <novaflare> brad_c ive asked questions here and waited for 2 hours to get a answer and i dont complain. Just look at the number of users in here
[03:54] <xoz> kestas: because you used sudo
[03:54] <abarbaccia> pepsi did you boot him?
[03:54] <geetergod> Shuddertrix, u here?
[03:54] <ahammond> pepsi: he came in kinda stupid but maybe woulda learned
[03:54] <Shuddertrix> geetergod: what do you need?
[03:54] <pepsi> eh? no, he said he was leaving
[03:54] <Shuddertrix> I've installed it fine..
[03:54] <natex> pepsi booted him with the force
[03:54] <pepsi> wtf
[03:54] <abarbaccia> lol
[03:54] <kestas> xoz: well its the exact same problem Im afraid
[03:54] <abarbaccia> pepsi - why are you so mean, he was just confused
[03:55] <kestas> xoz: looks like it didnt make a difference
[03:55] <abarbaccia> and ignorant
[03:55] <geetergod> its STILL installing, its installing Base install, should it be taking this long?
[03:55] <geetergod> oops its done
[03:55] <xoz> kestas: while just reading using fstab means mount is run by the user which has no access to the dir
[03:55] <abarbaccia> lol
[03:55] <Shuddertrix> geetergod: you might not have DMA on
[03:55] <geetergod> im so impatient sorry
[03:55] <pepsi> im an ass, i guess
[03:55] <kestas> xoz: not to mention that the other share, which is on another server //10.10.1.20/Data /mnt/PubStore works fine with fstab, and its owned by root
[03:55] <natex> pepsi, don't be so hardon yourself
[03:55] <Shuddertrix> geetergod: sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda
[03:55] <geetergod> ok now where do i go to play it?
[03:55] <novaflare> why you say that pespsi?
[03:55] <ahammond> pepsi: yeah, we were already plenty hard on you. :)
[03:56] <LinuxJones> geetergod, it's large file it takes a while to decompress ;)
[03:56] <kestas> xoz: but I run it with sudo, of course I have access Im running as root
[03:56] <Shuddertrix> geetergod: either in your gnome menus or by typing armyops
[03:56] <xoz> kestas: have you changed it?
[03:56] <Shuddertrix> in the console
[03:56] <kestas> xoz: yes
[03:56] <pepsi> you guys are hard on me :P
[03:56] <Shuddertrix> then, it should work fine.
[03:56] <geetergod> army ops in the gnome terminal?
[03:56] <pepsi> i want to install breezy and i get yelled at and such ;D
[03:56] <Shuddertrix> yes
[03:56] <Shuddertrix> as one word
[03:56] <Shuddertrix> armyops
[03:56] <novaflare> lol
[03:56] <kestas> xoz: but still no difference, why would it say "Access Denied" if it was a problem with the mount point ffs?
[03:56] <geetergod> i think i got it
[03:56] <geetergod> thanks again
[03:56] <Shuddertrix> it will show the splash screen for AA and it should start running soon
[03:56] <pepsi> although after trying multiple times to install it, i think ill wait till the big "PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY" is gone from the topic
[03:57] <LinuxJones> pepsi, /topic :D
[03:57] <Shuddertrix> no problem.
[03:57] <novaflare> heh had somethign damn funny happen today under cedega
[03:57] <geneo93> pepsi:  just dont ask for help
[03:57] <novaflare> i got a bsod error lol
[03:57] <xoz> kestas: access denied in my interpretation is that you don't have access to the target dir
[03:57] <Shuddertrix> novaflare: hmm, isn't that kind of impossible?
[03:57] <novaflare> went to run some app and it crashed with a blue screen error message i damn near fell off my chair
[03:57] <novaflare> nope
[03:57] <pepsi> geneo93, i dont intend to really.. i just wanted to see if it would work or not, but i dont want to bother with it until its less broken
[03:57] <novaflare> was a windows app running under cedega
[03:57] <Shuddertrix> odd
[03:58] <novaflare> obviusly it didnt give me a full on bsod
[03:58] <kestas> xoz: no the error comes from smbmount
[03:58] <novaflare> but sure gave me all the wonderfull error codes heheh
[03:58] <pepsi> the topic makes installing breezy ever more tempting, though
[03:58] <Shuddertrix> usually, if that happens, wine/cedega/cxoffice will crash.
[03:58] <natex> how does ubuntu configure X during fresh install? (command)
[03:58] <kestas> xoz: its as if the password is wrong, but the same username and password works fine if I mount it using 'mount -t smbfs -o blablabla'
[03:58] <novaflare> well i ran with cedega appname.exe
[03:58] <dabaSlon> pepsi not to all.
[03:58] <LinuxJones> pepsi, it's very broken :)
[03:58] <novaflare> so it did crash out back to terminal window
[03:59] <geetergod> now it couldnt set video mode: Couldnt find matching GLX visual
[03:59] <dabaSlon> pepsi I am fine waiting, as long as my comp works...
[03:59] <novaflare> all i could think of is damn im glad i wasnt in windows heh
[03:59] <Shuddertrix> geetergod: Do you have your FGLRX/NVIDIA drivers installed?
[03:59] <Shuddertrix> (depending on what video card you have)
[03:59] <geetergod> prolly not
[03:59] <Shuddertrix> what video card do you have?
[03:59] <geetergod> is that something easy to do?
[03:59] <xoz> kestas: possible also that you have to enable encryption in the smb.conf because pain text passed may not work. this is one bug in the latest tiger of OS X.
[03:59] <xoz> *plain*
[04:00] <Shuddertrix> if it's a Radeon, i don't know, if it is an Nvidia card, it's newbie-proof.
[04:00] <xav> hi... i'm back... switched from debian to ubuntu today...
[04:00] <geetergod> im gettin better so i can do it quicker maybe :)
[04:00] <xoz> s/passed/password
[04:00] <xav> but i can't get mplayer working from marillat repository
[04:00] <xav> libc6 need to be upgraded it seems
[04:00] <natex> does anyone know? how does ubuntu configure X during fresh install? (command)
[04:00] <Strife> why does grip complain that I have an invalid encoder executable (lame) when I indeed have lame installed?
[04:00] <dabaSlon> xav there is one in our repos...
[04:00] <hondje> xav: add multiverse to your regular ubuntu repos and try again
[04:01] <kestas> xoz: tell me this: why would it work doing it with mount -t smbfs -o blablabla, but not when I mount it with the same options specified in /etc/fstab?? how could plain text passwords possibly be a problem from /etc/fstab but not doing it directly??
[04:01] <xav> dabaSlon: where ?
[04:01] <dabaSlon> ^^
[04:01] <geetergod> i have a GeForce III vid card
[04:01] <hondje> xav: multiverse
[04:01] <xoz> kestas: so it must be with the fstab then. i think you have to check access ownership of the dir...
[04:01] <kestas> Strife: sorry your question wont get answered as its not in the ubuntu FAQ, we only answer FAQ questions here
[04:01] <Shuddertrix> geetergod: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings
[04:02] <geetergod> ok
[04:02] <kestas> xoz: its NOT ownership of the dir
[04:02] <natex> I changed my xorg.conf and now I boot straight to command line :(
[04:02] <Strife> kestas: LIES!
[04:02] <Strife> heh
[04:02] <Shuddertrix> when that's done, tell me
[04:02] <xav> i do have multiverse in my repos
[04:02] <geetergod> type that in terminal?
[04:02] <Shuddertrix> don't want to have to repeat myself if i type it now
[04:02] <Shuddertrix> yeah
[04:02] <Strife> kestas: plenty of non-FAQ questions get answered in here... hell, I've answered a number myself
[04:02] <dabaSlon> xav remove marillat:)
[04:02] <kestas> Strife: well they must have been pretty simple, or repeated frequently
[04:03] <cyphase> does anyone here want a wordpress blog? I'm working on improving my linux server admin skills, and im trying to get more people on my server..
[04:03] <Davey|Ubuntu> anyone installed MySQL 4.1 using apt-get in Hoary? Where is the data directoy?
[04:03] <Shuddertrix> natex: It says something at the comments at the beginning of the xorg.conf about a debconf something or other..
[04:03] <Davey|Ubuntu> well, no, how do I set it up, after apt-get
[04:03] <xav> dabaSlon: don't tell me that's the way ...
[04:03] <cyphase> Davey|Ubuntu, /var/lib/mysql
[04:03] <natex> Shuddertrix, ok I'll check that out, thanks
[04:03] <Strife> bah, for some reason it didn't like the executable being 'lame' even though it was in my path... I just changed it to /usr/bin/lame and it works
[04:03] <dabaSlon> natex need to reconfigure it?
[04:03] <Davey|Ubuntu> cyphase: and if its not there, I missed something right?
[04:03] <xav> i just forced version ...
[04:03] <cyphase> yea
[04:03] <geetergod> can u tell me what to type each time?
[04:03] <xav> it seems ok
[04:03] <dabaSlon> good
[04:04] <Davey|Ubuntu> ah, just no root password yet
[04:04] <natex> dabaSlon, I changed my refresh rates now GDM doesn't start ("startx" works fine)
[04:04] <Shuddertrix> geetergod: ?
[04:04] <xav> force version of libfaad2-0 (not to use rareware-compression repo)
[04:04] <geetergod> to install invidia
[04:04] <dabaSlon> dpkg --reconfigure xorg(something) I dont do this myself... I heard it from others/.
[04:04] <novaflare> oh i remembersomething i wanted to ask
[04:05] <dabaSlon> as sudo, natex
[04:05] <mp1> does anyone have a clue howto set up 2 languages with xkb?  I'm wasting far too much time on this.
[04:05] <novaflare> ubuntu reports that i have 504 megs ram instead of 512 megs
[04:05] <novaflare> any idea as to why?
[04:05] <dabaSlon> yeah...
[04:05] <Shuddertrix> novaflare: Normal, i presume.
[04:05] <natex> I'll try dabaSlon
[04:05] <dabaSlon> Ram dint work that simple.
[04:05] <hondje> xav: [hondje @ jihad:~] $apt-cache show mplayer-686 | grep Section:     Section: multiverse/graphics   ...It's in there already
[04:05] <kestas> novaflare: I think it uses 8MB for a ram disk
[04:05] <novaflare> k kind of thought this was probably the case
[04:05] <kestas> novaflare: if you want to get it back try compiling your own kernel without initrd
[04:06] <mp1> or what the name of the gnome-keyboard layout manger/daemon is called??
[04:06] <novaflare> na was more curious as to if it was normal
[04:06] <dabaSlon> yes, normal.
[04:06] <novaflare> k
[04:06] <xav> hondje: yes but libfaad2-0 prevented the installation
[04:06] <sidharta> hola alguien que hable espaol???
[04:06] <dabaSlon> like Ihave 512, and shows only 480...shared with graphics.
[04:06] <dabaSlon> xav, not installed?
[04:07] <dabaSlon> sidharta did you try #ubuntu-es ?
[04:07] <neofax> dabaSlon: Do you know how to get a Netgear MA311 NIC(Prism2) USB working?
[04:07] <natex> hey sidharta, that is my favorite book.
[04:07] <hondje> xav: Are you using the mulitverse one or the marillat one?
[04:07] <sidharta> tanx
[04:07] <dabaSlon> neofax no, but Ivoks likely does.
[04:07] <ahammond> natex: dude that was kind of a cornball book
[04:07] <sidharta> yes but no body there
[04:08] <hayden> when i try to play a movie in totem the video and audio is out of sync, any ideas on how to fix this?
[04:08] <dabaSlon> well, try sxpeaking in spanish, and we will speak in english, depends on how deifficult your proble is.
[04:08] <neofax> dabaSlon: Is he here now?  I don't see his nick registered.
[04:08] <dabaSlon> No, it seems not, he lives in Croatia, it is like, 4am there.
[04:08] <cafuego> neofax: you load the prism drivers eh
[04:08] <kestas> hayden: sorry that question isnt generic enough
[04:08] <neofax> hayden: What type of CPU are you using?
[04:08] <natex> ahammond, no way dude. it teaches alot about good life
[04:08] <kestas> hayden: try 'how do I install kde'
[04:09] <sidharta> i instaled ubuntu in my pc but i dont have network
[04:09] <paul_> anybody know how to install java in firefox?
[04:09] <sidharta> but i have ip adres in my pc
[04:09] <neofax> cafuego: They automatically get loaded using hotplug.
[04:09] <cafuego> neofax: *nod* Then all you need to do is set the essid and key using iwconfig (in wireless-tools)
[04:09] <dabaSlon> sidharta router?? modem?? dial-up?? DSL??
[04:09] <pepsi> hayden, if you use VLC you can adjust the synchronization
[04:09] <sidharta> router
[04:09] <kestas> can any geniuses/geniei tell me why this [ http://pastebin.com/291517 ]  happens?
[04:10] <hayden> peppsi: ok thanks
[04:10] <paul_> how do i install java in firefox in ubuntu?
[04:10] <neofax> cafuego: OK, I have tried iwconfig wlan0 essid "ATHENEOS".  That does not work I get an error
[04:10] <sidharta> i using a ruter for my network i conected windows en linux mepis and work bun in my ubunto dont work
[04:10] <Davey|Ubuntu> hmm, where are init scripts stored?
[04:10] <cafuego> neofax: Did you run it as root?
[04:10] <dabaSlon> sidharta wired or wireless?
[04:11] <neofax> cafuego: Yes, both as root and as sudo root.
[04:11] <cafuego> neofax: hoooold on. 'wlan0' ? That's not the prism driver.
[04:11] <dabaSlon> paul_ ubuntuguide.org has a walkthru
[04:11] <paul_> trying to install java in firefox here, any tips?
[04:11] <sidharta> wired
[04:11] <mp1> paul_: ubuntuguide.org
[04:11] <dabaSlon> ifconfig? valid IP?
[04:11] <cafuego> neofax: Does 'ifconfig -a' show wlan0 at all?
[04:11] <neofax> cafuego: That is what gets loaded when I plug in the usb
[04:12] <sidharta> yep
[04:12] <Davey|Ubuntu> how do I add an init.d script for postgresql? can I just copy the one from my debian box? :)
[04:12] <dabaSlon> thank god for freenode not allowing too many nick changes at once:-p
[04:12] <neofax> cafuego: Yes, it does
[04:12] <dabaSlon> sidharta eth0?
[04:12] <sidharta> yes
[04:13] <cafuego> neofax: and just running 'iwconfig' lists it as having wireless extensions?
[04:13] <dabaSlon> sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0 does that help at all?
[04:13] <neofax> cafuego: Yes
[04:13] <cafuego> neofax: Which error do you get when you try to set the essid?
[04:15] <cafuego> neofax: Ah I see, you're probably using linux-wlan-ng drivers.
[04:15] <hondje> anyone else having problems going back to X if you switch to a console while the fast user switching applet is running?
[04:15] <cafuego> neofax: Do you have 'wlanctl' installed?
[04:15] <dabaSlon> sidharta^ bump...
[04:16] <neofax> cafuego: SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported.
[04:16] <sidharta> whait
[04:16] <neofax> cafuego: I have wlanctl-ng
[04:16] <dabaSlon> k
[04:17] <cafuego> neofax: try 'wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_autojoin ssid=ATHENEOS'
[04:18] <sidharta> not work :(
[04:19] <dabaSlon> ok, did you try shutting the devices down, and rebooting them, first turn on the modem, then router in a minute, then turn on computers?
[04:19] <neofax> cafuego: It errors saying that authtype and resultcode are required
[04:19] <cafuego> neofax: Ha, ok. that's promising :-)
[04:19] <cafuego> lanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_ifstate ifstate=enable
[04:20] <sidharta> ok
[04:20] <cafuego> neofax: Check 'man wlanctl-ng' for the proper syntax to the essid line; I've never used it myself, so don't know.
[04:20] <dabaSlon> you can try that, sometimes that helps.
[04:20] <cafuego> neofax: I've been looking at http://www.fuw.edu.pl/~pliszka/hints/prism2.html
[04:21] <dabaSlon> shut everything down, then turn oin modem, and when it gets solid lights, router, then computers.
[04:21] <kestas> hahah thatll help
[04:21] <dabaSlon> kestas, are you drunk:)
[04:21] <kestas> drunk on rage
[04:21] <dabaSlon> so not drunk, tho?
[04:21] <neofax> cafuego: Thanks, that gave a result of success
[04:21] <kestas> because noone can tell me why this [ http://pastebin.com/291517 ]  happens?
[04:21] <dabaSlon> wow, good work, cafuego.
[04:22] <dabaSlon> ah, right, kestas.
[04:22] <dabaSlon> did you try what the guy that was talking about the root said?>
[04:22] <dabaSlon> is the folder owned by rooot?
[04:22] <dabaSlon> that kinda makes sense.
[04:22] <kestas> that makes no difference
[04:22] <kestas> why would it?
[04:22] <dabaSlon> well, what can it hurt?
[04:23] <kestas> and why would it give an SMB error?
[04:23] <kestas> but yes I did try it
[04:23] <dabaSlon> oh, ok, good.
[04:23] <dabaSlon> did you try the encryption they mentioned>?
[04:24] <liable> kestas: maybe try changer user to username?
[04:24] <kestas> if it was a problem with 'encryption' (what he meant to say was that smbmount was authenticating using plaintext but it needed to authenticate with lm or ntlm or ntlm2) why would it mount in fstab?
[04:24] <ubuntu> hi
[04:25] <kestas> yay!! liable gets the prizew
[04:25] <ubuntu> still cant get java support in firefox
[04:25] <dabaSlon> wow
[04:25] <kestas> damn what a stupid mistake
[04:25] <dabaSlon> ubuntuguide.org worsk, and also, www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java works too.
[04:25] <kestas> thanks, you have restored my faith in #ubuntu
[04:25] <liable> hehe
[04:25] <ubuntu> lol,
[04:26] <Davey|Ubuntu> hmm, not sure about this postgresql init.d script :/
[04:26] <ubuntu> ubuntu is actually kind a crappy
[04:26] <LinuxJones> kestas, nobody told you to save your data in a ghey format !!!
[04:26] <ubuntu> too much configuration
[04:26] <dabaSlon> hehe, ubuntu did you try one of those two sites?
[04:26] <ubuntu> mp3, codecs, java shit that should all be working outta the box
[04:27] <Cyber|Zzz> I'm setting up free hosting on my server. If you would like please visit http://hosting.cybermagellan.com and I'll help you out
[04:27] <kestas> LinuxJones: what? are you going to pretend like you knew the answer all along now?
[04:27] <dabaSlon> ubuntu, well, you dont know that, tho...its meant as a free software, all =together,.
[04:27] <Shuddertrix> ubuntu: Too bad it's against licenses and things to provide that out of the box.
[04:27] <hondje> If you can talk Sun into it, you'd have many thanks from the world.
[04:27] <ubuntu> then they should charge a nominal fee to cover license issues
[04:27] <novaflare> yup
[04:27] <dabaSlon> I couldnt care less.
[04:27] <novaflare> java is a major piss off
[04:28] <Shuddertrix> ubuntu: It's designed to be free, however. Sorry.
[04:28] <dabaSlon> I dont even surf some weird sites, that use that...so what an animation is not working...:-/
[04:28] <novaflare> stnking sun and not allowing it to be included
[04:28] <Shuddertrix> I wouldn't pay for linux in a million years, anyways.
[04:28] <novaflare> yet they let you download for free
[04:28] <novaflare> :\
[04:28] <ubuntu> well, your never going to convert the windows world by making it a configuration nightmare, sorry
[04:28] <hondje> I'd hope not
[04:28] <novaflare> heh
[04:28] <novaflare> linux wont ever be like windows
[04:28] <Shuddertrix> ubuntu: It didn't take me long to get java, mp3, or codecs working.
[04:28] <dabaSlon> ubuntu, well, you know...I have friends, so they set it up for me...till I learned.
[04:29] <kestas> you can always get the java deb, and install, its pretty easy
[04:29] <novaflare> it prob wont ever be as popular and who cares
[04:29] <dabaSlon> ubuntu, windows and linux both at this time have their place...
[04:29] <novaflare> not matter what that aloan is a slight boost in security
[04:29] <Shuddertrix> I used the scripts from ubuntuforums.org and the Ubuntuguide's add-on CD, works like a charm ;)
[04:29] <kestas> deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java
[04:29] <JDahl> ubuntu, who said anything about world dominance? some of us are quite content with what linux does
[04:29] <LinuxJones> kestas, if you want to use your computer in a reasonable way use reasonable formats to store your data. Complain to Microsft about incompatbility with Linux not the other way around and see what you get ?
[04:29] <ubuntu> its strange that i cant use the firefox pluggin installer to get java working
[04:29] <novaflare> i never thought id see the day when i could dump windows
[04:29] <novaflare> yet that days getting damn close
[04:29] <dabaSlon> ubuntu, yeah that does not work.
[04:29] <gaZoo> just finished setting up ubuntu for the first time .. so far so good .. even got my dual monitors working fine with a little tinkering ..
[04:30] <hondje> Why can't this chan get high quality trolls?
[04:30] <ubuntu> by the way, xandros open circulation edition has none of these problems, its free, so why is that?
[04:30] <dabaSlon> novaflare you actually think about these things:)
[04:30] <hondje> The witty ones
[04:30] <gaZoo> lol
[04:30] <novaflare> just need to get rid of a couple graphiics glitches in a game i play and its essentialy good by to windows for me
[04:30] <novaflare> dabaslon i always think about security etc
[04:30] <ubuntu> so i doubt its a license issue
[04:30] <dabaSlon> ubuntu, not free in that sense.l..
[04:30] <dabaSlon> Not free like that, made only from free software.
[04:30] <ubuntu> sun doesnt charge for java
[04:30] <dabaSlon> only gpl software.
[04:30] <kestas> LinuxJones: what the HELL are you talking about?? this wasnt a compatibility problem, it was a typo mistake
[04:31] <novaflare> security tweaking building repairing computers etc
[04:31] <novaflare> as for buying linux
[04:31] <dabaSlon> kestas didnt you say you were upset cause it didnt work?? now its working...
[04:31] <cafuego> Shuddertrix: on i386, sure.
[04:31] <alainm> how do i find out what /dev a particular device is on?
[04:31] <novaflare> if that linux included 6 months sub to cedega and a few other thinggs id buy it
[04:31] <dabaSlon> ubuntu, I dont expect you to understand this...
[04:31] <novaflare> id not think twice about doing so
[04:31] <levander> Anybody remember the name of that web site that had pirated binaries from usenet on it?  It was like newzbinz.com or something like that.
[04:31] <dabaSlon> alain, mounted ones, or noty mounted ones?
[04:32] <ubuntu> the only saving grace i can see about ubuntu, is its speed compared to xandros oce
[04:32] <kestas> dabaSlon: now Im 'upset' at LinuxJones for misunderstanding
[04:32] <novaflare> i see alot of saving graces in ubuntu
[04:32] <novaflare> like oh i dont know ease of install
[04:32] <FR500> msg nickserv ident 2430561
[04:32] <novaflare> 12 or 15 keystrokes and it was set and forget
[04:32] <hondje> The saving grace of ubuntu is that their official IRC chan is so tolerant, IMHO
[04:32] <ubuntu> its so so distro, not the best , not the worst
[04:32] <levander> ubuntu: i've also found better support forums for ubuntu, namely ubuntuforums and freenode than other similar distributions
[04:32] <dabaSlon> ubuntu, I mean, humanity can prosper in another way than capitaism, and I am extremely glad that in my profession this is the most manifested,..you are just a computer user, and I respect your opinion, and trust me, they are working on it.
[04:32] <cafuego> hondje: I expect it's much like #debian. Nothing high quality about the weekend at all.
[04:32] <kestas> jejejej
[04:32] <novaflare> yeh that to hondje
[04:32] <hondje> cafuego: Yeah, and that's a shame :)
[04:33] <novaflare> this is one of the best irc chans out there for friendly people
[04:33] <ubuntu> well i dont see anyone charging for java lmao
[04:33] <dabaSlon> kestas:)
[04:33] <hondje> well, I wouldn't go that far, novaflare
[04:33] <cafuego> hondje: And for most of 'em it's saturday night even, they shouldn't be at home at all!
[04:33] <novaflare> its not that you can download java freely
[04:33] <LinuxJones> kestas, your whining about samba not working or am I mistaken ?
[04:33] <novaflare> but to include it in the os by default youd have to pay for it
[04:33] <kestas> LinuxJones: you are
[04:33] <cafuego> hondje: At least my excuse is I'm hiding in the dark with a hangover ;-)
[04:33] <ubuntu> samba is awesome in xandros, its better
[04:33] <novaflare> every one was bitching ms out about it
[04:33] <hondje> cafuego: I can cite a lack of babysitting :)
[04:34] <kestas> samba is samba
[04:34] <dabaSlon> ubuntu, the freedom to excel  is more important in some ppls opinion that the freedom to buy a case of beer.....
[04:34] <kestas> jejejej
[04:34] <cafuego> hondje: Most people old enough to require (to hire) a babysitter wouldn't be trolls.
[04:34] <ubuntu> mmmm beer sounds good right about now
[04:34] <dabaSlon> alainm what, then, mounted devices, or ones not mounted?
[04:34] <ubuntu> unfortunatly i only have crown royal
[04:34] <hondje> cafuego: Unless they mastered the artform, reaching new heights of subtlety :)
[04:34] <dabaSlon> ubuntu, I am sickk:( I would hatge beer..
[04:34] <LinuxJones> kestas, sorry but I mis-understood something ..what is your problem ?
[04:35] <dabaSlon> ubuntu,  haha...
[04:35] <cafuego> hondje: The few that are will probably go away if you tell them there's a Springer re-run on.
[04:35] <kestas> LinuxJones: no problem , my problem was-- wait 1 sex
[04:35] <novaflare> one thing i love about ubuntu is ive already did some of the same things that totaly killed red hat 9 shrike
[04:35] <kestas> jejejejej
[04:35] <kestas> anyway
[04:35] <kestas> *sec
[04:35] <hondje> yeah, and that's a shame...trolls once took pride in their work :)
[04:35] <ubuntu> so i guess ill settle for a crown on the rocks, thanks, got one good idea out of here, hehe jk
[04:35] <novaflare> yet i was able with help from people here to recover it easly
[04:35] <dabaSlon> one sex, how long is that, Kestas:-p?
[04:35] <cafuego> dabaSlon: In between 20 seconds and 45 minutes.
[04:36] <ubuntu> anybody care for a crown on the rocks? cheers
[04:36] <kestas> closer to 20 seconds probably
[04:36] <dabaSlon> you know that swatch commercial>
[04:36] <levander> Nobody remembers the name of that site that had all the pirated binaries from usenet on it? It was called something like newsbinz.net or something.
[04:36] <cafuego> levander: This isn't #pirated-binaries
[04:36] <hondje> Well, as a certified GNU/Hippy, I'm not big on pirated anythings
[04:36] <ubuntu> try newsgroups for good flicks
[04:36] <dabaSlon> alainm last time Ill ask, you need to list devices, mounted ones, or nonmounted ones?
[04:36] <levander> cafuego: yeah, but somebody in here remembers, i'll check that channel, thanks cafuego
[04:36] <cafuego> Or maybe thiose debian girls, if they're still in the shower...
[04:37] <hayden> how do i change the computer name so i can ping computername or somethign like that?
[04:37] <levander> cafuego: ha, it's dead channel
[04:37] <kestas> jejejejej
[04:37] <hondje> cafuego: I had a debian girl :(
[04:37] <hondje> Then one day she said 'screw this', and made me buy her a dirty mac....it's never been the same
[04:37] <dabaSlon> hondje cmon...
[04:38] <kestas> jejejejej
[04:38] <dabaSlon> hey, Im on a ppc, OS X right now:)
[04:38] <ubuntu> ok whats the apt-get command for getting java ?
[04:38] <LinuxJones> kestas, here is your problem from your own post >> #
[04:38] <LinuxJones> kestas@kestaspc:~$ sudo mount /mnt/storage/
[04:38] <LinuxJones> #
[04:38] <LinuxJones> 8000: session setup failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.)
[04:38] <LinuxJones> #
[04:38] <LinuxJones> SMB connection failed ....is that not a Samba problem ?
[04:38] <hondje> I'm serious, it was wonderful. She was apt-getting her way to freedom, and decided that 'just works' would be more fun :(
[04:38] <levander> cafuego: screw you, found it without your help!
[04:38] <dabaSlon> bitchX...I said bitch...:o
[04:38] <LinuxJones> oops
[04:38] <kestas> LinuxJones: yeah but that was because of a typo: I used user=kestas in fstab, and username=kestas in the mount command
[04:39] <kestas> LinuxJones: and I never badmouthed the samba project
[04:39] <kestas> jejejejej
[04:39] <ubuntu> sounds like a router or firewall problem to me
[04:39] <limer> lively conversation tonight
[04:39] <dabaSlon> ubuntu, read ubuntuguide.org for java, or www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/java
[04:39] <LinuxJones> kestas, so what's your problem ?
[04:39] <ubuntu> ya i did, it didnt help
[04:39] <kestas> LinuxJones: no problem, you seem to have the problem
[04:39] <dabaSlon> how could that happen??
[04:39] <ubuntu> ill try again however
[04:40] <Lafitte-> anyone here know about wireless problems with Ubuntu ?     i have one  and wanted to try and correct it
[04:40] <dabaSlon> do the ubuntuguide.org, that one is easier.
[04:40] <kestas> ubuntu: add "sudo echo "deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java" >> /etc/apt/sources.list"
[04:40] <kestas> jejejejej
[04:40] <hondje> oh, that's cheating :-(
[04:40] <dabaSlon> Lafitte- do ask, tho...
[04:40] <ubuntu> i get couldnt find package message
[04:40] <Lafitte-> dabaSlon,  the key for my home Ap  wont remove when changed
[04:41] <kestas> ubuntu: add "sudo echo "deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java" >> /etc/apt/sources.list"
[04:41] <kestas> ubuntu: then go into synaptic
[04:41] <Lafitte-> i want to save passwords    for different ap  but it always befaults to my home key
[04:41] <kestas> ubuntu and search for jre or java or something
[04:41] <ubuntu> ive been there too
[04:41] <ubuntu> synaptic doesnt show anything
[04:41] <kestas> ubuntu: press refresh then
[04:42] <dabaSlon> use name and description
[04:42] <ubuntu> speaking of which when i enable universal debian support it doesnt take
[04:42] <kestas> ubuntu: and have you ran the "sudo echo "deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java" >> /etc/apt/sources.list" command?
[04:42] <LinuxJones> kestas, maybe it was just your condescenting remark >> kestas thanks, you have restored my faith in #ubuntu
[04:42] <ubuntu> no ill try that tho
[04:43] <dabaSlon> LinuxJones lets all forget about that non-constructive converstation.
[04:43] <dabaSlon> one t.
[04:43] <kestas> LinuxJones: yeah well when youve got a weird question which noone is answering, yet questions which are in the FAQ are getting answered left right and center you get testy
[04:43] <dabaSlon> ah, that is what that remark meant, kestas...
[04:43] <kestas> jejejejej
[04:43] <kestas> what did you think it meant?
[04:43] <dabaSlon> youre just drunk, I can tell.
[04:43] <kestas> you have one bad connection FR500
[04:43] <dabaSlon> wasnt sure, I thought you were like serious, or something.
[04:43] <novaflare> ill install mozilla windows version and java and run with cedega when i need to use somethign java based on web pages
[04:43] <LinuxJones> dabaSlon, agreed :)
[04:44] <novaflare> now thats cheating :)
[04:44] <kestas> jejejejej
[04:44] <Lafitte-> freeze
[04:44] <ubuntu> permission denied lol
[04:44] <ubuntu> very very aggravating
[04:44] <novaflare> remove the >>>
[04:44] <ubuntu> roadblocks everywhere i go
[04:44] <dabaSlon> novaflare, yeah, thats not a obfuscated solution at all..
[04:44] <novaflare> heheh
[04:44] <novaflare> has its benifits though
[04:44] <kestas> "sudo "echo "deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java" >> /etc/apt/sources.list"" command?
[04:45] <novaflare> talk about sandboxxing heh
[04:45] <kestas> "sudo "echo \"deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java\" >> /etc/apt/sources.list"" command?
[04:45] <LinuxJones> kestas, this channel is filled with people who try their best to help out,  if it's not good enouth for you why not try another channel ?
[04:45] <kestas> FR500 why do you keep leaving and then coming back?!
[04:45] <kestas> jejejejej
[04:45] <hondje> Sun should just open source java, or we should start using gcj more....
[04:46] <dabaSlon> ubuntu, you need basic Unix knowledge, I think, maybe that would help...
[04:46] <dabaSlon> Altho, my first java install was nto friendly neither..
[04:46] <hondje> We don't cry because Intel's cc is only gratis free, because we have gcc
[04:46] <ubuntu> what i need is a distro, that isnt so messed up
[04:46] <kestas> LinuxJones: I tried 3 channels, all of them answering dumbass FAQ questions like 'where is my sound' 'what extra compile options are there to get better speeds' etc
[04:46] <dabaSlon> funky moron....:)
[04:47] <FR500> something is disconecting me each time
[04:47] <dabaSlon> change your nick
[04:47] <kestas> yeah FR500 whats up with that??
[04:47] <dabaSlon> that will help
[04:47] <ubuntu> oh well
[04:47] <kestas> jejejejej
[04:47] <hondje> Then perhaps you can try another distro like SuSE, ubuntu. I tried it out on a lappy, very nice.
[04:47] <ubuntu> close but no cigar
[04:47] <ubuntu> back to xandros
[04:47] <hondje> automagically set up wireless, suspend, etc.
[04:47] <novaflare> some one guessed his pass word and is ghosting him i bet
[04:47] <NigroCubed> ubuntu is greatest
[04:47] <dabaSlon> heh, I love when ppl give up on ubuntu cause of Java, or something like that.
[04:47] <LinuxJones> kestas, those are frequent questions that folks that havn't been using Linux all that long have, it's natural.
[04:47] <dabaSlon> you are politically incorrect...drew..
[04:48] <novaflare> id not mind having java
[04:48] <novaflare> but its far from make or break for me
[04:48] <dabaSlon> novaflare well, is it a pc??
[04:48] <novaflare> yeh
[04:48] <kestas> LinuxJones: why not just tell people to read the FAQ if theyre asking an FAQ? why rush to tell them the answer like youre going to get a prize
[04:48] <andres_fr> hi
[04:48] <dabaSlon> well, that is the easiest thing ever to install, novaflare , are you sertious, that you cant install it?
[04:48] <kestas> andres_fr: you have to change your pass for FR500, you posted it on the chan
[04:48] <dabaSlon> hi, andres_fr
[04:49] <andres_fr> oks
[04:49] <novaflare> not tried much realy
[04:49] <hondje> I'm missing something, I guess...
[04:49] <andres_fr> i dont really care :p
[04:49] <novaflare> was fooling with enlightenment
[04:49] <hondje> Don't people have to install java on Windows?
[04:49] <NigroCubed> ubuntu is greatest
[04:49] <novaflare> got a headache from crappy ass res
[04:49] <dabaSlon> novaflare so, java installed, tho?
[04:49] <novaflare> na not at moment
[04:50] <jasmuz> Ubuntu Rocks!
[04:50] <yonil> Is there a dictionary program for linux similiar to babylon for windows ? ( i need hebrew-english dictionary )
[04:50] <dabaSlon> hondje ppl dont understand that linux  is unix...
[04:50] <LinuxJones> kestas, dude I have myself pointed a few hundred people to the FAQ's, people learn things differently and encouragment is not a bad thing.
[04:50] <dabaSlon> they think it is I dont know what...
[04:50] <jasmuz> yonil: why dont you search synaptic? eh??
[04:50] <yonil> dabaSlon, linux isnt unix, GNU = gnu isnt unix =p
[04:50] <kestas> LinuxJones: all your encouraging them to do is to ask more dumbass repetitive questions
[04:50] <kestas> *youre
[04:51] <dabaSlon> well, I mean, it is that type of OS...many conf files, different file syste,...
[04:51] <dabaSlon> root, permissions, aliases, scripts, whatevgersl...so many new concepts.
[04:51] <Davey|Ubuntu> serves me right for having such a large set of extensions
[04:51] <yonil> ah sure, everything's a file
[04:51] <kestas> lets not start this 'what is unix' debate again..
[04:51] <kestas> yonil: what about processed?
[04:51] <dabaSlon> I took a course in it at University, and he comes here, and thinks Ill teach him how to use it in 2 mins...
[04:51] <kestas> *processes
[04:51] <Davey|Ubuntu> getting there though :D
[04:52] <hondje> You don't need a course, you just need to read the documentation....
[04:52] <kestas> Davey|Ubuntu: you any good with php5?
[04:52] <LinuxJones> kestas, that might be your way of getting folks to use Ubuntu but it's not mine
[04:52] <andres_fr> is enlightment a replacement for gnome or just nautilus?
[04:52] <dabaSlon> hondje well, you dont need it...but, it comes in handy...
[04:52] <hondje> andres_fr: either :)
[04:53] <andres_fr> hm?
[04:53] <kestas> LinuxJones: were not missionaries trying to get everyone in the world to use ubuntu, who cares who uses it?
[04:53] <hondje> oh, nautilus
[04:53] <hondje> I misread that as metacity for some odd reason
[04:53] <hondje> andres_fr: gnome
[04:53] <Davey|Ubuntu> hmm, what do I need to do to allow for > 885MB of RAM?
[04:53] <LinuxJones> kestas, well obviously not you
[04:53] <Davey|Ubuntu> (i.e. 1GB)
[04:54] <andres_fr> hm, but i guess some gnome apps look alin there right?
[04:54] <jasmuz> kestas: you are wrong
[04:54] <kestas> LinuxJones: its an OPERATING SYSTEM.. not a religion.. jeez I half expect to see people hijacking aeroplanes in the name of linux soon
[04:54] <hondje> hehehe
[04:54] <novaflare> lol
[04:54] <slashven> is possible to install kde on ubuntu???
[04:54] <NigroCubed> yes
[04:54] <NigroCubed> of coures
[04:54] <NigroCubed> ubuntu is the best
[04:55] <NigroCubed> you can do anything with ubuntu
[04:55] <kestas> slashven: read the FAQ
[04:55] <Davey|Ubuntu> oh, need the i686 kernel
[04:55] <jasmuz> slashven: yes...just download kde-desktop via apt or synaptic
[04:55] <dabaSlon> slashven yes, it is.
[04:55] <LinuxJones> kestas, dude nobody said it was a religion if you don't want to help anybody out, why are you in this irc channel ?
[04:55] <dabaSlon> slashven I have had several ppl complain about not being able to get back into gnome after installing.
[04:56] <dabaSlon> slashven the command is sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:56] <slashven> could i do it usin apt-get
[04:56] <slashven> ok
[04:56] <slashven> thanks
[04:56] <kestas> LinuxJones: to get help for my long since solved problem, and when people arent debating which wm is the best, helping people with stupid questions or saying 'woo go ubuntu yay!! lol' then its a good chan
[04:56] <dabaSlon> not surte which repos are needed, but I would get the ones nickrud created.
[04:56] <Davey|Ubuntu> do I get the AMD K7 kernel for an AthlonXP 3200+?
[04:56] <jasmuz> dabaSlon: i installed KDE and uninstalled without a hitch
[04:56] <dabaSlon> kestas, I can not see what your problem is...
[04:56] <kestas> LinuxJones: and I help with problems which arent stupid too, when there is one
[04:56] <dabaSlon> we love you man...:-pp
[04:56] <Shuddertrix> Davey|Ubuntu: Yes.
[04:57] <Davey|Ubuntu> thanks Shuddertrix
[04:57] <dabaSlon> jasmuz good for you, both were newbies, and gnome would not load except through failsafe.
[04:57] <Shuddertrix> Davey|Ubuntu: I'm using the K7 kernel for my 2600+, perfect.
[04:57] <jasmuz> dabaSlon: im also a noob
[04:57] <hondje> What happened to "humanity to others"? :)
[04:57] <dabaSlon> well,, me too, but they weere like right fresh installs, at least one of them.
[04:57] <Davey|Ubuntu> Shuddertrix: do you know if kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 supports 1GB RAM?
[04:57] <novaflare> kestes thing is what is a stupid question? im a complete noob ti linux essentialy
[04:58] <novaflare> i prefer to do stuff on my own asking for as little help as possible
[04:58] <hondje> Davey|Ubuntu: I think there's a kernel-k7 metapackage
[04:58] <novaflare> but other will want or need more help
[04:58] <Shuddertrix> Davey|Ubuntu: Not entirely sure, let me check.
[04:58] <hondje> It'll install all that shit for you
[04:58] <dabaSlon> I really dont see a need for your argument, LinuxJones , and kestas .
[04:58] <kestas> a stupid question is one which is in the FAQ or easily googled
[04:58] <iceman> took me a while to reconfig my keyboard, Downloaded Wolfenstein Enemy terratoy, it launched some application that kept asking to set keyboard delay ..
[04:58] <Davey|Ubuntu> Shuddertrix: thanks
[04:58] <slashven> how could i handle a dvd???
[04:58] <Shuddertrix> Get the metapackage, however.
[04:58] <kestas> dabaSlon: me neither
[04:58] <hondje> assuming k7 is what you want
[04:58] <Davey|Ubuntu> slashven: to read? write?
[04:58] <slashven> to read
[04:59] <kestas> slashven: read the FAQ
[04:59] <novaflare> oh you mean like the faq for installing drivers for ati
[04:59] <slashven> ok..
[04:59] <dabaSlon> slashven do read www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:59] <iceman> anyone using a 64 bit system /
[04:59] <slashven> im gonna read it
[04:59] <novaflare> i tend to be able to figure out things like that fairly easly
[04:59] <novaflare> yet that faqw was very confusing at first
[04:59] <dabaSlon> kestas, if you would like me to explain something abotu the real world, and you will listen, I will.
[04:59] <LinuxJones> kestas, nobody is forcing you to be here. If we are not elite enough for you try #Debian (you will get lots of lovin in there)
[04:59] <dabaSlon> The real world of tech support.
[04:59] <hondje> hehe, #debian
[04:59] <dabaSlon> :)
[04:59] <novaflare> took me 2 or 3 small questions to figure out what i was screwing up on
[04:59] <kestas> dabaSlon: eeee no thanks
[04:59] <Davey|Ubuntu> slashven: http://ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[05:00] <Shuddertrix> mm, Davey|Ubuntu, i'm not sure
[05:00] <Davey|Ubuntu> Shuddertrix: hmm :/
[05:00] <Shuddertrix> it should though
[05:00] <dabaSlon> cause I work tech support exactly like this in chat../..so I can tell you the facts.
[05:00] <Shuddertrix> the bigmem limit is 4gb IIRC
[05:00] <novaflare> some times faqs while well intentioned and well writen for most users will confuse the ever livign hell out of others
[05:00] <dabaSlon> 50 % of the job is resestting passwordfs.
[05:00] <kestas> LinuxJones: Im not elite, I just think people should read the FAQ before coming here, thats what the FAQ is for
[05:00] <Shuddertrix> or something like that
[05:00] <dabaSlon> 30 % is refering to the FAA.
[05:00] <dabaSlon> FAQ.
[05:00] <Davey|Ubuntu> kernel-image-2.6-k7 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on AMD K7. <--- the meta package?
[05:00] <hondje> a lot of newbies seem not to understand the faq
[05:00] <novaflare> yeh
[05:00] <hondje> Like none of them can grok a man page, it's gibberish
[05:01] <LinuxJones> dabaSlon, I take insulting #ubuntu fairly seriously, we are here trying to help :D
[05:01] <kestas> they seem to not read it, take slashven for example
[05:01] <Shuddertrix> Davey|Ubuntu: linux-k7
[05:01] <dabaSlon> LinuxJones I never heard him insulting, and I could only get upset at what he said if I thought it had anything to do with the truth.
[05:01] <Davey|Ubuntu> Shuddertrix: thats what its called?
[05:01] <hondje> Davey|Ubuntu: linux-k7 - Complete Linux kernel on AMD K7
[05:01] <andres_fr> wow enlightment looks amazing
[05:01] <novaflare> to me a well writen faq uses a example
[05:01] <hondje> I bet that's the metapackage, mine was linux-686
[05:01] <Shuddertrix> Davey|Ubuntu: Yeah.
[05:01] <dabaSlon> why slashven, nice guy, came in asked a quesstion, went away, came ack, went away...
[05:01] <Shuddertrix> The metapackage
[05:01] <Davey|Ubuntu> hmm, I don't have that one
[05:01] <LinuxJones> kestas, not everybody knows how good the www.ubuntulinux.org website is
[05:02] <novaflare> like a faq might mention app get
[05:02] <andres_fr> i need a monitor that can take 1600x1200 so it looks even cooler
[05:02] <hondje> andres_fr: e17 is the future
[05:02] <Shuddertrix> Installs the image and modules
[05:02] <novaflare> and use the stupid ass < > for a example
[05:02] <kestas> LinuxJones: well theyre not going to learn if you baby walk them through it instead of telling them about it
[05:02] <slashven> jajaja
[05:02] <dabaSlon> will have his comp setup soon, I really think you need a chill pill kestas:) No need to be upset, we really try, but most of use are newbies ourselves.
[05:02] <novaflare> some people may thing that the < > are needed for the command
[05:02] <novaflare> or may asume they are not needed etc
[05:02] <novaflare> or same goes for "
[05:02] <yonil> what's the meaning of the word "dharma" ?
[05:03] <Shuddertrix> Davey|Ubuntu: It should be there.
[05:03] <Davey|Ubuntu> Shuddertrix: its not there, but I have enabled all the universe, multiverse, etc package repositories
[05:03] <slashven> this is because im reading some about ubuntu... because im new in here... dabaSlon
[05:03] <Shuddertrix> Davey|Ubuntu: You've apt-get update'd, right?
[05:03] <spinifex> novaflare: You think it would be better to instead use css borders to make a blank box where we substitute a word?
[05:03] <limer> yonil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharma
[05:03] <dabaSlon> novaflare yup, you can never dumb it down ennough is my moto at work...
[05:03] <jasmuz> yonil:  remember this is a suppor channel
[05:03] <novaflare> yeh exactly
[05:03] <Davey|Ubuntu> Shuddertrix: unless its been put in in the last 2 hrs?
[05:04] <LinuxJones> dabaSlon, well IMHO he had a condescending remark about the channel which I don't agree with
[05:04] <novaflare> hell i was typing sudo some command with qoutes
[05:04] <spinifex> yonil: A dharma (daruma) is a japanese thing.  It's a man with no arms or legs.  You color in one eye when you set a goal, and color in the other when you complete it
[05:04] <dabaSlon> slashven, I did nto get your messge, I read the text, but I dont get what you are trying to say...
[05:04] <Shuddertrix> Davey|Ubuntu: It's been in there for a long time now.. :P
[05:04] <novaflare> cause the faq had "around the entire thing
[05:04] <dabaSlon> that guy kkestas was dissing you, so I said he is not right to do that...
[05:04] <Shuddertrix> Are you using warty or hoary, anyways?
[05:04] <ubuntu_phil> are there any networking gurus here that will help a newb out? =)
[05:04] <slashven> i mean nothing..
[05:04] <spinifex> yonil: I think the story is that he meditated on his goals so long that he no longer needed his limbs
[05:05] <spinifex> oo, wiki, missed that
[05:06] <FlyingSquirrel31> Just added a secondary pci trident video card. Was hoping it would just start working, but it didn't. Was I expecting too much?
[05:06] <novaflare> another reason some one may not use a faq
[05:06] <limer> ;)
[05:06] <andres_fr> hondje, it seems
[05:06] <kestas> FlyingSquirrel31: you have to configure it in xorg.conf
[05:06] <Shuddertrix> You could just run sudo apt-get install linux-image-k7 linux-restricted-modules-k7
[05:06] <spinifex> hey, the faq is good
[05:06] <kestas> FlyingSquirrel31: read the gentoo guide to dual monitors
[05:06] <novaflare> is because they may think some one will tell them a easyer way thats come up sence the faq was wrote
[05:06] <andres_fr> ubuntu_phil, no guru, what do you need?
[05:07] <spinifex> novaflare: the faq is pretty recent.  Hoary was just released
[05:07] <novaflare> yeh
[05:07] <FlyingSquirrel31> kestas, gentoo, isn't that another distro? 'i'm on ubuntu. Should hotplug have reognised it?
[05:07] <novaflare> but i remember 2 times comeing in here and some one gave me a couple quick tips on installign somethign
[05:07] <novaflare> and i had read the faq and was confused by it
[05:07] <hondje> novaflare: and I do it all day long :P
[05:07] <kestas> FlyingSquirrel31: the gentoo tutorial doesnt have anything gentoo specific in it
[05:07] <novaflare> yet what they told me worked with out a hitch
[05:08] <spinifex> what did they have you install?
[05:08] <slashven> is there a dmsn version relay for ubuntu??
[05:08] <kestas> FlyingSquirrel31: it may have recognised the monitor and card but that doesnt mean itll use it
[05:08] <novaflare> dont remember now
[05:08] <novaflare> was when i was working on my drivers and few other misc things
[05:08] <spinifex> ah
[05:08] <kestas> FlyingSquirrel31: tbh dual monitors with X is a bitch
[05:09] <novaflare> im still trying to get dual monitors going
[05:09] <dbernar1> slashven, I dont kno what that is, I think google may tell you, or synaptic, searhc for name and description, tho
[05:09] <spinifex> well that's what the channel is for.  Referring to the FAQ is just so we don't have to repeat ourselves, ne?
[05:09] <novaflare> ive essentialy gave up on it for now
[05:09] <slashven> ok..
[05:09] <kestas> novaflare: same
[05:09] <dbernar1> slashven also, having all repositories enabled will help.
[05:09] <slashven> it sopuses that dmsn is emac clone for the msn messenger
[05:09] <dbernar1> there is a wiki on it, created by nickkrud, nice sources.list.
[05:09] <slashven> is like to amsn...
[05:10] <dbernar1> slashven, ,using gaim now?
[05:10] <dbernar1> You can use that for all protocols.
[05:10] <Davey|Ubuntu> woohoo! PHP5.0.4 installed and running :D
[05:10] <dbernar1> good stuff, Davey|Ubuntu .
[05:10] <slashven> yeah im using gaum no.. +
[05:10] <dbernar1> if you go to the buddies listk, and hit ctrl+a opens accounts, then add, and add whatever.
[05:10] <jasmuz> Davey|Ubuntu: congrats!
[05:10] <Davey|Ubuntu> dbernar1: heh, I've done 601 million times ;)
[05:10] <novaflare> well im off
[05:11] <novaflare> going to bed
[05:11] <Davey|Ubuntu> dbernar1: its just a cache of ./configure wait till it breaks, apt-cache search $package_it_couldn't_find, apt-get install $package, ./configure wait till it breaks...
[05:11] <Davey|Ubuntu> at least, on a system I've not setup before...
[05:11] <FlyingSquirrel31> kestas, thanks for the encouragement.
[05:11] <kestas> heheh anytime
[05:12] <dbernar1> night, novaflare .
[05:12] <spinife1> woo, I can use gaim for this
[05:12] <spinife1> o, it mangled my name cuz I'm double connected
[05:12] <dbernar1> yup.
[05:12] <dbernar1> I cant become dabaSlon for some reason, it didntt get discoed.
[05:13] <dbernar1> Im using bitchX on Mac OS X.
[05:13] <Davey|Ubuntu> anyone know if the .gaim from windows will work in linux gaim?
[05:13] <FlyingSquirrel31> It says to use "rc-update del xdm default" to set the pc to not start x on boot. Just to be sure, what command can I use to undo this?
[05:13] <kestas>  /ns ghost dabaSlon yourpassword
[05:13] <spinifex> davey: what?
[05:13] <spinifex> oh the configuration
[05:13] <BoarderTX> i went throuhg the wiki instructions for getting wireless to work, which included doing a "modprobe ndiswrapper" which cuased the reboot of my machine
[05:13] <kestas> FlyingSquirrel31: ah actually that wont work
[05:13] <dbernar1> I dont have a password.
[05:13] <spinifex> I don't know, but if I were you I would reconfigure it with the gui, to make sure the features exist.  There are windows exclusive features
[05:13] <kestas> FlyingSquirrel31: you dont want to follow it word for word
[05:14] <BoarderTX> it loaded fine, so i finished by doing the "sudo gedit /etc/modules" and appending it with ndiswrapper
[05:14] <hondje> yeah, ubuntu uses gdm for example
[05:14] <BoarderTX> restarted and now its stopped at starting hotplug system and seems locked
[05:14] <kestas> FlyingSquirrel31: just set up xorg.conf like it says, and take a backup, and know how to revert to that backup if X doesnt start
[05:15] <Davey|Ubuntu> awesome! I just symlinked my windows one over...
[05:15] <Davey|Ubuntu> but I have a feeling it'll b0rke when I try to log something :/
[05:16] <hondje> hrm, the magnifier looks like crap when you set your session language to korean
[05:16] <BoarderTX> any thoughts?
[05:17] <liable> BoarderTX: well, start with removing it from modules. or blacklist it in hotplug
[05:17] <FlyingSquirrel31> kestas, great... what am I getting myself into??
[05:17] <BoarderTX> what do you mean blacklist it
[05:17] <kestas> a whole load of shit if you dont know what youre doing
[05:18] <FlyingSquirrel31> kestas, okay then, how do I start X with a particular xorg.conf?
[05:18] <liable> BoarderTX: /etc/hotplug/blacklist    put it in there
[05:18] <tiglionabbit> yarg, how do I change my nickname password on freenode?
[05:18] <BoarderTX> oh ok
[05:18] <FlyingSquirrel31> kestas, and how do I set it to boot into X using a certain .conf?
[05:18] <flex_> low gravity fps hehehe
[05:18] <kestas> FlyingSquirrel31: if you dont know how to alter, back up, and restore your xorg.conf then you shouldnt be trying to use dual monitors
[05:18] <BoarderTX> so am i out of luck or should there be a way to get this working?
[05:18] <FlyingSquirrel31> xorg.confI think I can work out the rest with the wiki
[05:19] <liable> BoarderTX: yes, just try the blacklist and reboot
[05:20] <liable> BoarderTX: you have a knoppix cd or something?
[05:20] <FlyingSquirrel31> kestas, If I just backup the original, and I know how to start it manually, I should be safe, no?
[05:20] <FlyingSquirrel31> kestas, I'm willing to learn.
[05:20] <BoarderTX> liable: no i dont, i just installed ubuntu 5.04 off the iso and wanted to try to get my netgear wg111 usb wifi working so i could get on the net, i have no e
[05:20] <BoarderTX> other access
[05:21] <liable> BoarderTX: oh, well, if you dont know how to use the install cd to mount your fs, maybe a re-install would take less time.
[05:22] <BoarderTX> well i got in through a recovery option
[05:22] <BoarderTX> it takes you to a root prompt, i got back into gnome
[05:22] <BoarderTX> i'm wondering what to do now
[05:22] <liable> BoarderTX: oh, ok, then blacklist the module and try a reboot
[05:23] <BoarderTX> what does blacklisting do? should i keep the line removed from the /etc/modules?
[05:23] <liable> BoarderTX: it will stop hotplug loading the module, yes leave it in /etc/modules for now and see what happens
[05:24] <BoarderTX> ok so have it in both
[05:24] <liable> yes
[05:24] <FlyingSquirrel31> kestas,  this doesn't look so bad...
[05:24] <liable> BoarderTX: how did you get the ndiswrapper module?
[05:24] <liable> FlyingSquirrel31: hes gone dude
[05:24] <BoarderTX> i downloaded it
[05:25] <BoarderTX> i'm following http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[05:25] <raDeon> mURRAY!
[05:25] <FlyingSquirrel31> liable, yeh, I was just catching on to that. :)
[05:26] <hybrid> hello all
[05:27] <BoarderTX> brb
[05:27] <liable> BoarderTX: ok, when you loaded the module before
[05:27] <liable> it loaded ok?
[05:27] <FlyingSquirrel31> how do I disable X from starting at boot on ubuntu?
[05:28] <eyequeue> FlyingSquirrel31:  permanently? dpkg --purge gdm
[05:28] <liable> remove gdm
[05:28] <new2gentoo> liable, that is necessary is it?
[05:28] <eyequeue> FlyingSquirrel31: or rather, sudo dpkg --purge gdm
[05:28] <FlyingSquirrel31> no, I want to configure dual monitors, somthing temporary.
[05:29] <eyequeue> FlyingSquirrel31: sudo apt-get install gdm, after then
[05:29] <jasmuz> FlyingSquirrel31: read about Xinerama
[05:29] <liable> FlyingSquirrel31: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[05:29] <liable> FlyingSquirrel31: ctrl - alt - back
[05:30] <eyequeue> FlyingSquirrel31:  why not just boot to single user mode from the grub menu?
[05:30] <FlyingSquirrel31> I like the grub idea.
[05:31] <FlyingSquirrel31> eyequeue, if I do that can I still run startx after changing the xorg.conf?
[05:31] <eyequeue> FlyingSquirrel31:  simple painless no changes, you change what you like then reboot normally
[05:31] <FlyingSquirrel31> eyequeue, cool.
[05:32] <eyequeue> FlyingSquirrel31:  and yes, you can use startx for testing too
[05:32] <andres_fr> if i get enlightment, how do i choose which windows manager to use each time?
[05:33] <kakalto> does anyone else here use oneko?
[05:35] <liable> well, it is sunday after all
[05:35] <BoarderXT1> ok i am back. so basically i am new to ubuntu and my only means of access are my wireless usb key (netgear wg111), i am wondering how the best way to get that working is
[05:36] <liable> BoarderXT1: did it boot?
[05:37] <BoarderXT1> well something's all screwed p
[05:37] <BoarderXT1> i know this might sound crazy
[05:37] <BoarderXT1> but i couldn't get into root
[05:37] <BoarderXT1> as if the password had been changed
[05:37] <BR0KEN> word to all: Ardour is freekin sweet.
[05:38] <BoarderXT1> i was thinking abou resinstalling and trying this effort again from scratch
[05:38] <eyequeue> BoarderXT1:  there is no root password
[05:38] <eyequeue> BoarderXT1:  http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:38] <BoarderXT1> well i recall it asking for one when installed. an di even tried putting in nothing
[05:39] <tiglionabbit> boarder: the first user is given sudo privileges.  It asks for your user password when you use a gui program that needs root.  You can use sudo to run root things from the terminal
[05:39] <BoarderXT1> cool
[05:39] <eyequeue> BoarderXT1:  um not a *root* password, a user password (which you can use to sudo)
[05:39] <BoarderXT1> ok
[05:39] <liable> BoarderXT1: try sudo
[05:39] <BoarderXT1> i will thanks
[05:39] <BoarderXT1> so what do you think the best way to get the usb key working it?
[05:39] <eyequeue> BoarderXT1:  if you're in x, gksudo
[05:39] <maztermin> Boardesudo passwd lets you change the root password
[05:40] <new2gentoo> eyequeue, how long do you have sudo permission after entering password?
[05:40] <maztermin> untill you play with the sudoers file
[05:40] <eyequeue> new2gentoo:  by default, 5 moinutes, but it's configurable
[05:41] <eyequeue> new2gentoo:  man 5 sudoers, for how
[05:41] <BoarderXT1> sorry i dont know if its matters but i'm referring to a usb wireless key
[05:41] <BoarderXT1> its a netgear wg111, i'm open for suggestions to gettin git working
[05:41] <maztermin> wireless??
[05:41] <new2gentoo> thanks eyequeue was just wondering how ubuntu handled it without having a typical root access
[05:42] <maztermin> the storage part should be mountaboe as /dev/sda1
[05:42] <eyequeue> BoarderXT1:  let me first presume your kernel supports it, okay?
[05:42] <BoarderXT1> ok
[05:42] <liable> hehe, no, eyequeue ndiswrapper
[05:42] <OSStiger> How do we use the "Gnome BitTorrent" program? I have a URL for a torrent file, but the program is asking to open a file on my PC.
[05:43] <eyequeue> BoarderXT1:  open up a console, type 'sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog' and then plug the device in and unplug it, to see if it shows up there
[05:43] <eyequeue> BoarderXT1:  then type sudo dmesg | tail, for the same reason
[05:43] <eyequeue> BoarderXT1:  if so, you now know it's sensed, and what it will be calling it
[05:44] <holycow> *hmm*
[05:44] <holycow> whats the fastest way to backup files and retain permissions?
[05:44] <eyequeue> BoarderXT1:  if not, well, you'll need to get the right modules loaded (or compiled) and that's something that i won't be here long enough to walk you through
[05:45] <BoarderXT1> ok
[05:45] <eyequeue> holycow:  cp -a foo bar
[05:45] <BoarderXT1> so what exactly does ndiswrapper do?
[05:45] <raDeon> haha foo bar
[05:45] <new2gentoo> raDeon, so do you say similar things in here?
[05:45] <raDeon> no.
[05:45] <holycow> heh good point
[05:46] <eyequeue> holycow:  if it's more than just a file, i prefer to make up a tarball (if it's to another host, man rsync, which has some nifty options)
[05:46] <holycow> eyequeue, does tar automatically retain permissions or do i need to pass a flag?
[05:46] <maztermin> ndiswrapper emulates a widows environment for the specific driver so you can use windows drivers in linux. (there is probably a better explanation, but not that I can put here and now)
[05:47] <eyequeue> holycow:  -p (owercase) will retain perms
[05:47] <holycow> ah! cool danke
[05:47] <holycow> :)
[05:47] <OSStiger> is the built-in Gnome BitTorrent program just for uploading? or can it also download stuff?
[05:47] <raDeon> OSStiger, yes
[05:47] <BoarderXT1> ok
[05:48] <eyequeue> holycow:  -p is default for noot, but not for non-root, iirc, so to be safe, specify it
[05:48] <BoarderXT1> so ndiswrapper runs in teh background emulating windows drivers for linux
[05:48] <OSStiger> raDeon: yes, it can download? or yes, it only is for uploading?
[05:48] <BoarderXT1> how come putting it in teh modules file would cause a hang at boot?
[05:48] <maztermin> not emulating
[05:48] <dabaSlon_sck> raDeon: it was an or question.
[05:48] <raDeon> haha i know i just thought it was funny because he asked two question
[05:48] <dabaSlon_sck> OSStiger: I would expect both.
[05:48] <raDeon> so i say yes
[05:48] <raDeon> to be funny
[05:48] <dabaSlon_sck> yA, it was kinda:)
[05:48] <maztermin> it works as a bridge between the ndiswrtapper moddule and the windows driver
[05:48] <raDeon> comedy is my strong point
[05:48] <eyequeue> OSStiger:  it's opeer-to-peer, meaning there's no up and down, just "sharing" (both ways)
[05:49] <holycow> eyequeue, oh i didn't know that either
[05:49] <holycow> very cool, appreciate that
[05:49] <maztermin> (a few typoes, dont like this keyboard..)
[05:49] <randey> how to stop a service in ubantu. I want to off the ntp service. its taking long time while booting
[05:49] <drcodedd2> is there postscript editor ?
[05:49] <andres_fr> randey, chmod -x service
[05:49] <eyequeue> holycow:  np.  btw "man tar" if ever you need info and can't get on irc (slash is the search-for-string command)
[05:49] <andres_fr> it's all at ubuntuguide
[05:50] <eyequeue> randey:  /etc/init.d/ntpdate stop, for example
[05:50] <OSStiger> how can i download a bittorent file, then? When I click on the Gnome BitTorrent program icon in the menu, I get a "Open Location for BitTorrent meta file" dialog window. But it doesn't ask for the URL/URI.
[05:50] <randey> eyequeue : that is not permanent.
[05:50] <andres_fr> hondje, did you try enlightment from the repositories?
[05:50] <eyequeue> randey:  but if you want to avoid it running at boot, see 'man update-rc.d'
[05:50] <andres_fr> OSStiger, you have to download the torrent file first
[05:50] <randey> eyequeue : thanks
[05:50] <OSStiger> Oh, i see, andres_fr
[05:50] <OSStiger> thanks.
[05:51] <andres_fr> np
[05:51] <eyequeue> randey:  np, that also explains ubuntu's boot philosophy, so you'll come away knowing more, but don't get overwhelmed if you aren't interested in it all
[05:51] <hondje> andres_fr: No, I was building it from cvs until I switched to ubuntu about a month ago
[05:52] <andres_fr> hondje, it doesnt look all ready from the repos as the pagest say
[05:52] <OSStiger> is there "pause downloading" feature in Gnome Bittorent?
[05:52] <hondje> andres_fr: It's only good for running in xnest right now :(
[05:52] <andres_fr> xnest?
[05:52] <fishie> you can hit stop
[05:52] <fishie> then resume
[05:52] <andres_fr> OSStiger, you should get azureus if you are up for big leeching
[05:53] <hondje> andres_fr: yeah, like flexiserver
[05:53] <maztermin> azeur or abc, both works very well
[05:53] <eyequeue> OSStiger:  gtk-bitorrent is the basic app, but azureus is the featureful one
[05:53] <iceman> anyone have a great kde desktop i can see screen shots of ?
[05:53] <andres_fr> hondje, you lost me again :p
[05:53] <OSStiger> eyequeue, asureus is not in the REPOs, i'm afraid.
[05:54] <hondje> andres_fr: like a desktop inside a window on your desktop
[05:54] <eyequeue> OSStiger:  no, but ubuntuguide.org gives specific step-by-step instructions
[05:54] <andres_fr> oh
[05:54] <eyequeue> OSStiger:  azureus btw
[05:54] <andres_fr> why is that?
[05:54] <FlyingSquirrel31> ok, when I ran X -configure on my system, it came back saying it didn't have the output drivers.
[05:54] <FlyingSquirrel31> I've done a little research and found my card is supported by the trident driver.
[05:55] <FlyingSquirrel31> Does this come with the kernel or ubuntu, or where do I download it from?
[05:56] <dr_willis> FlyingSquirrel31,  it should.
[05:56] <FlyingSquirrel31> dr_willis, any ideas why I'd get that error?
[05:56] <eyequeue> FlyingSquirrel31:  linux-image-2.6.10-5-686: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/sound/oss/trident.ko (as one example)
[05:57] <dr_willis> nope. :P  if i had a machien with a trident video card... i'd use it for a paperweight. :P lol.
[05:57] <OSStiger> eyequeue, you were saying something about "azureus btw..." ....
[05:57] <dr_willis> what is the exact type of video card anyway?
[05:57] <OSStiger> which is better? Bittorrent's official version, or azureus?
[05:57] <mp1> where's the conf file for the gdm login WM chooser??
[05:57] <FlyingSquirrel31> eyequeue, I've got the same file. Any ideas why I'd get that error?
[05:57] <eyequeue> OSStiger:  just mentioning that is the spelling, if you're doing a grep of that page, ubuntuguide.org
[05:57] <dr_willis> mp1,  you mean where does it get the list of window managers?
[05:57] <eyequeue> FlyingSquirrel31:  no
[05:57] <OSStiger> grep?
[05:58] <eyequeue> OSStiger:  a search, like when you press slash in firefox
[05:58] <iceman> opps
[05:58] <mp1> dr_willis: yes please... I reinstalled xfce using apt-get after uninstalling the binary packages, and now I have two entries
[05:58] <dr_willis> mp1, /usr/share/xsessions/WHATEVER.desktop
[05:58] <dr_willis> is where they are kept.
[05:59] <mp1> thanks
[05:59] <FlyingSquirrel31> dr_willis, Device manager says: TGUI 9660/938x/968x
[05:59] <OSStiger> i have a package called "bittorrent" that has been installed. this is not the same as gnome bittorrent, is it?
[05:59] <iceman> how to get and install kde themes ?
[06:00] <neverstable> hello any one plz help me loading ubuntu
[06:00] <neverstable> i tried morphix-instller
[06:00] <benplaut> iceman: #kubuntu ;)
[06:00] <FlyingSquirrel31> dr_willis, trying to install it as a secondary card to show movies on my fancy new projector ;-)
[06:00] <mp1> so dr_willis if I change one of them to a non .desktop ending, it won't be seen by the chooser right?  so i can by process of elimination figure out which one i want
[06:00] <neverstable> it says command not found
[06:00] <neverstable> plz help me
[06:00] <maztermin> iceman: google there are a abundance of places to get them
[06:00] <dr_willis> FlyingSquirrel31,  could manyally set the driver in the X confg file. but  i dont know what the name of the driver would be.
[06:00] <dr_willis> neverstable,  morphix-installer? where is that from
[06:01] <eyequeue> neverstable:  morphix != ubuntu
[06:01] <iceman> have tried linux a lot lately.. just never figured out how to install the themes
[06:01] <eyequeue> okay, it;s time, bye
[06:01] <neverstable> wht abt sudo morphix-instller
[06:01] <FlyingSquirrel31> dr_willis, according to a list I googled, the name of the driver is just "trident"
[06:01] <eyequeue> neverstable:  morphix is a completely different distro.  are you trolling?
[06:01] <FlyingSquirrel31> dr_willis, my prob is that I don't know setting up x config's.
[06:01] <dr_willis> FlyingSquirrel31,  ya tried manually editing the x config file then?  change the driver= line perhaps.
[06:02] <neverstable> no
[06:02] <neverstable> but in the documentation and googling i get that command
[06:02] <neverstable> http://www.linuxfactory.ie/llfsoftw/llfswdis.html
[06:02] <dr_willis> FlyingSquirrel31,  could cheat and boot knoppix, or morphix, and if they work. copy their X config over :P
[06:02] <neverstable> you can check this
[06:02] <benplaut> iceman: did you ever solve the 640x480 problem?
[06:02] <neverstable> but its not workin plz help me :((
[06:03] <dr_willis> neverstable,  thats because its for Morphix.. not ubuntu
[06:03] <dr_willis> if you want to install ubungu - get a installcd.
[06:03] <hondje> Hi...does xorg not require the font server running?
[06:03] <FlyingSquirrel31> dr_willis, but If I just change the driver name, won't it try to use my primary card with the trident drivers (which would probably fail)
[06:03] <dr_willis> FlyingSquirrel31,  no idea. :P   one way to find out.
[06:04] <neverstable> but can't we install from a live cd
[06:04] <FlyingSquirrel31> dr_willis, yeah... study the manuals :D
[06:04] <dr_willis> neverstable,  ubuntu has no install from live cd feature yet.
[06:04] <neverstable> wat
[06:04] <benplaut> neverstable: but it is planned for future releases (?)
[06:04] <neverstable> oh no
[06:05] <dr_willis> what what? very simple.. :P its not a feature.
[06:05] <raDeon> NOT A FEATURE. NOT A FEATURE.
[06:05] <dr_willis> the DVD version has a live cd and works as an install cd.. but it  not an 'install from live cd'
[06:05] <raDeon> CAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
[06:05] <neverstable> oh no
[06:05] <raDeon> INSTALL FROM LIVE CD
[06:05] <Xenguy> raDeon: get off the capslock please
[06:05] <robert> is a 10GB partition enough for EBUNTU?
[06:05] <raDeon> no problems
[06:05] <neverstable> but the site said http://www.linuxfactory.ie/llfsoftw/llfswdis.html we can installe from live cd
[06:05] <robert> ubuntu*
[06:06] <|QuaD-_> neverstable: maybe the site is wrong :)
[06:06] <dr_willis> robert,  maybe a little small for a much real  work.. but a basic system should work.
[06:06] <neverstable> oh no
[06:06] <merc248> hi... i'm having problems with trying to load the ipw2200 modules; i try to do a sudo modprobe ipw2200 after installing the new drivers, and i keep getting "invalid module format"
[06:06] <merc248> any ideas at all?
[06:06] <neverstable> but where can i get complete real info
[06:06] <dr_willis> neverstable,  that site dosent even MENTION ubuntu
[06:06] <dr_willis> try the ubuntu homepages
[06:07] <neverstable> i tried
[06:07] <neverstable> but there is no sign of  installation
[06:07] <dr_willis> Huh?
[06:07] <|QuaD-_> neverstable: what?
[06:07] <dr_willis> you get a installcd and go at it. :P
[06:07] <dr_willis> they dont mention isntalling from a live  cd/ becasue its not doable. :P
[06:07] <|QuaD-_> dr_willis: you can on some distros
[06:07] <robert> wats considered real work?
[06:08] <dr_willis> |QuaD-_,  we are refering to Ubuntu here however. :P
[06:08] <|QuaD-_> neverstable: what exactly is your question/problem/etc
[06:08] <|QuaD-_> dr_willis: :)
[06:08] <neverstable> mine is installin ubuntu from live cd
[06:08] <neverstable> i need the command
[06:08] <carsonc> Is the via server from hoary's X.org borked in some way?  I upgraded from warty and had to switch to vesa.
[06:08] <dr_willis> neverstable,  cant be dont at the time.. next.. :P
[06:08] <neverstable> i tried morphix-instlaler
[06:08] <dr_willis> err done.. :P
[06:08] <dr_willis> neverstable,  thats for the Morphix Linux Live Cd/Disrto
[06:08] <neverstable> :P
[06:09] <neverstable> :)
[06:09] <neverstable> :(
[06:09] <|QuaD-_> neverstable: it is not possible. maybe later on, but currently you can't. what else do you need
[06:09] <neverstable> nothin
[06:09] <neverstable> thq:)
[06:09] <neverstable> :)
[06:09] <dr_willis> which is very nicely done.   Morphix and Knoppix both can do live cd-installs.
[06:09] <|QuaD-_> neverstable: why is installing from live cd so important?
[06:09] <neverstable> but not ubunt
[06:09] <robert> how do i increase the size of a partition without reinstalling Ubuntu?
[06:09] <raDeon> the cheese stands alone.
[06:09] <|QuaD-_> mepis can install from livecd
[06:09] <paringas> hi, guys, just put on the 5.04 and can't get my bluetooth mouse to work, could anyone help, please?
[06:09] <neverstable> how can i configure bluetooth in ubuntu
[06:09] <Aegir> Mepis does installs very nicely
[06:10] <dr_willis> robert,  could boot a live cd that has gparted, or qt_parted,  and resize the partitions.
[06:10] <paringas> neverstable: that's what i'm talking about :)
[06:10] <|QuaD-_> neverstable: livecd or installed?
[06:10] <paringas> |QuaD-_: installed
[06:10] <neverstable> i hv ubutu instlled
[06:10] <|QuaD-_> paringas: do you have the bluez package?
[06:10] <robert> say wat?
[06:10] <neverstable> but i wnt from live cd like in knowpix
[06:10] <neverstable> exit
[06:10] <paringas> not in installed, but i think i've got bluetooth.o rfcomm.o sco.o though
[06:11] <dr_willis> robert,  get live cd that has qt_parted or some other tool to do the job and resize the partitions.
[06:11] <|QuaD-_> paringas: i do not use bluetooth, but i believe you need the bluez package
[06:11] <robert> ooh
[06:11] <dr_willis> Heh - i cant even find my bluetooth dongle adaptor.
[06:11] <robert> cant i do it thru windows, using partion magic?
[06:12] <dr_willis> robert,  you could.. but if you had partition magic and thoguth it could do it. :P why did you ask.. lol.
[06:12] <paringas> |QuaD-_: so what's the algorithm of getting it? apt-get? recompile? there seems to be no /proc/config
[06:12] <dr_willis> Partition Magic may not like the ext3 partions however.
[06:12] <robert> becuase last time i tried to partition sometin i nearly messed up my whole compuer
[06:12] <carsonc> paringas: the package gnome-bluetooth might also be helpful (dunno, though, don't use bluetooth)
[06:13] <|QuaD-_> paringas: algorithm? hehe.... i would use apt-cache search bluetooth... then use that information to get what you need
[06:14] <paringas> |QuaD-_: sorry, i'm new to debian so i'm acting a bit dumb :) after using gentoo's portage
[06:14] <iceman> whats best way to get a mac look in kde ?
[06:14] <_nate__> use gnome
[06:14] <|QuaD-_> iceman: i don't use kde, but i remember there being a mac look and feel
[06:15] <_nate__> and get macosx theme
[06:15] <dr_willis> robert,  heh - it pays to be carefull.
[06:15] <benplaut> well, g'bye everyone
[06:15] <benplaut> off to see EPIII
[06:15] <iceman> hate lacking icons in gnome ... got to have the icons on screen
[06:15] <|QuaD-_> lacking icons in gnome? eh?
[06:15] <carsonc> iceman: So drag them from the menu to the desktop?
[06:15] <dr_willis> Icons on the desktop? that sooo 1995.
[06:16] <paringas> btw, is there a way to get xterm to display in one of the opera's tabs? sorry for dumb questions again
[06:16] <iceman> whats a link to gnome look
[06:16] <Aegir> iceman, Apart from theming, and getting apps like kxdocker and ksmooth dock, you can set up a mac style top bar. Thats what I use at the moment, however I use the KDE classic style for a bit of Debian Stable nostaliga
[06:16] <dr_willis> paringas,  thats a new idea. :P
[06:16] <carsonc> paringas: as I recall, there used to be a netscape plugin that would let you embed a xnest'd X session in a web page
[06:16] <Aegir> iceman, Just google gnome look. Youll find it almost instantly
[06:17] <carsonc> this has been a good four or so years ago, though
[06:17] <_nate__> iceman: you can add icons to the bar on gnome, there's no lack of icons
[06:17] <iceman> whats a app simular to superkaramba for gnome ?
[06:17] <paringas> carsonc: thanks
[06:18] <Aegir> iceman, for the top bar: KDE Control center -> Desktop -> Behavior -> Menu bar at top of screen
[06:18] <Aegir> Also, gDesklets does the same job as superkaramba
[06:18] <iceman> Aegir let me load gnome .. brb
[06:19] <OSStiger> is there a way i could download a  file which mplayer usually plays within firefox?
[06:19] <dr_willis> OSStiger, right click.. save link as.....
[06:19] <OSStiger> dr_willis, there's no link. It's an embedded file.
[06:19] <paringas> |QuaD-_: apt-cache search bluetooth came up with nothing? what do i do? :)
[06:19] <_nate__> screenshot of my desktop: http://img182.echo.cx/my.php?image=screenshot4tv.png
[06:20] <dr_willis> OSStiger,  how are you getting to it?
[06:20] <|QuaD-_> paringas: odd, i got a lot of responses to it
[06:20] <dr_willis> OSStiger,  could use wget on theurl to the file
[06:20] <_nate__> Aegir: what?
[06:20] <iceman> Aagir .. well resolution sucks .. wheres the settings in gnome ?
[06:20] <_nate__> iceman: http://img182.echo.cx/my.php?image=screenshot4tv.png
[06:20] <_nate__> check my ss
[06:21] <iceman> _nate__ nice look there
[06:21] <_nate__> iceman: yeah, macosx theme under gnome
[06:22] <iceman> _nate__ that a easy install ?
[06:22] <paringas> *maaan, it's really a pain to be using a touchpad*
[06:22] <Aegir> Oh, and get Kompose.
[06:22] <Aegir> Seriously. Kompose rocks
[06:23] <Aegir> Theres Expocity for Gnome, but it sucks
[06:23] <carsonc> paringas:  Dunno what you need it for, but check out http://www.mindterm.com/products/80_MindTerm/index.php
[06:23] <OSStiger> dr_willis, well, i'm doing it the oldfashioned, but a bit inconvenient way, of opening source, then opening it in fx, then File->Save as.
[06:23] <_nate__> iceman: yeah, really really easy install
[06:23] <randey> what is ubuntu selinux channel?
[06:24] <_nate__> iceman: just a matter of copying files to a few directories and then selecting the theme
[06:24] <|QuaD-_> randey: i don't think there is an ubuntu selinux yet
[06:24] <iceman> where does gnome have the setting for screen resolution ... my sucks right now
[06:24] <Aegir> Or dragging the theme tarball to the theme manager, where it installsit automaticlly
[06:24] <|QuaD-_> iceman: thats an X setting
[06:24] <_nate__> iceman: System>preferences>screen resolution
[06:25] <iceman> lost here ... sec
[06:25] <_nate__> Aegir: not sure that works, man
[06:25] <_nate__> Aegir: I installed it how the readme said to
[06:25] <iceman> well cant adjust it ... already at 1024x768 ...
[06:26] <iceman> Is there a way to adjust ico size ?
[06:26] <_nate__> iceman: yeah, i had that beef for a while, but my screen is designed for 1024x768
[06:26] <_nate__> iceman: adjust the bar size
[06:26] <dr_willis> thats what will be nice when the svg type icons and stuff get more common. :P looks good at any size
[06:26] <iceman> on desktop icons size ?
[06:26] <BR0KEN> icons should not reside on the desktop.
[06:27] <_nate__> oh, no idea
[06:27] <dr_willis> BR0KEN,  heh i agree :P for the most part.
[06:27] <_nate__> BR0KEN: I concur
[06:27] <kikdadog> help i need an ubuntu genius
[06:27] <glick> hey ubuntu xfce4 does it use rox-filer? as the file manager?
[06:27] <_nate__> kikdadog: you will find no such thing here, only people with ideas
[06:27] <BR0KEN> yeah
[06:27] <kikdadog> a guru would do
[06:27] <BR0KEN> lol nate
[06:27] <dr_willis> glick,  yes - it can be installed.
[06:27] <iceman> ok .. wheres the mac theme located ? for download ?
[06:27] <BR0KEN> mac theme?
[06:28] <kikdadog> having a hard time burning an iso image
[06:28] <BR0KEN> for gnome?
[06:28] <aevum> hello
[06:28] <dr_willis> thers several uGLY mac themes at the varois gnome theme sites
[06:28] <glick> dr_willis, if you just do apt-get install xfce4 what one does it use rox or xfce4 one?
[06:28] <_nate__> iceman: i can't remember where, so i'm uploading it right now for download
[06:28] <carsonc> glick: I believe it uses xffm
[06:28] <BR0KEN> gnome looks great with clearlooks.
[06:28] <_nate__> dr_willis: I found the good one
[06:28] <Aegir> _nate__, Quite often, if a theme/iconset is in a .tar.gz, you can just drag the .tar.gz into gnome-theme-manager.
[06:28] <paringas> carsonc: i like to use opera for as much stuff at the same time as possible (irc,im,web,xterm...) - just seems convenient to me not to have all sorts of windows open everywhere. but that's just me.
[06:28] <_nate__> dr_willis: http://img182.echo.cx/my.php?image=screenshot4tv.png
[06:28] <iceman> _nate__ thanks ..
[06:28] <dr_willis> glick,  i think the other day  the default file manager ICON wanted rox. but it comes with xffm :P
[06:28] <nich> could someone help me by telling what would cause gnome-session to stop working after a upgrade from warty to hoary and how I could possibly fix it?
[06:28] <yahalom> anyone know how i can get a boot screen?
[06:28] <_nate__> iceman: np
[06:29] <Madpilot> iceman: have a look around here: http://www.gnome-look.org/
[06:29] <_nate__> Aegir: yes, but i tend to follow how the theme instructions tell you to install
[06:29] <BR0KEN> gnome icons could look a little more sleek but..ya know..at least they don't look tacky like the plastik look.
[06:29] <Aevum> hello
[06:29] <Aegir> _nate__, Each to his own, but the automated install does the exact same thing.
[06:29] <Aevum> i have a question, i installed ubunto on my machine
[06:29] <carsonc> nich: "stop working" how?  Are you able to log in from GDM at all?
[06:30] <andres_fr> hondje, so how should i make enlightment work?
[06:30] <Aevum> and at no point did it ask me for the root password
[06:30] <Aegir> _nate__, Provided the automated installer works in the first place ;), it can be a bit picky somtimes
[06:30] <Aevum> and now im locked out of my machine basicly, only user account
[06:30] <hondje> andres_fr: I had to download from cvs and compile it all myself
[06:30] <dr_willis> I like the Gartoon Icons :P
[06:30] <Aegir> Aevum, sudp passwd root
[06:30] <Aegir> *sudo
[06:30] <nich> carsonc: I manage to get in GDM
[06:30] <andres_fr> hondje, and it looks like the screenshots?
[06:30] <hondje> not too bad unless you don't have a lot of the -dev apps, then it's a lot of junk
[06:30] <hondje> yeah, it actually does...I even played videos with emotion thing
[06:30] <andres_fr> hondje, for me it boots fine, but i dont see menus or anything
[06:30] <_nate__> Aegir: yeah, but following the directions is usually a good idea
[06:30] <iceman> Madpilot one listed but download link broke
[06:30] <dr_willis> Aevum,  thats how it works.. the first users password is also the roots password.. and you normally DONT login as root.
[06:31] <hybrid> anyone know if there is something like gaim but cli
[06:31] <nich> though if I select a Gnome session it will not work (mouse etal still work, but it won't do anything besides showing me the brown background)
[06:31] <hondje> hybrid: pork, maybe
[06:31] <BR0KEN> the clearlooks controls make the grey look too red.
[06:31] <Aevum> Dr_willis, i know the dangers of using root, but i need to mount my ntfs partition to pick up a couple of things from there, and i need to apply some updates
[06:31] <BR0KEN> so i use mist controls with clearlooks.
[06:32] <glick> how do i convert a xwd data dump into a jpeg?
[06:32] <Aegir> Aevum, Just run sudo passwd root in a console, then enter your normal users pass, then do the whole password/confirm thing. Then you will have a working root password. This will allow you to do things that specifically require a root password. Like the Wine install script. However, using sudo is the best option.
[06:32] <Aevum> so the same password as i set for the first user is also the password for root ?
[06:32] <dr_willis> Aevum,  the Ubuntu way is to "sudo' what you need to do.. not login a root.. or you can always do some other way to get a root shell..
[06:32] <nich> carsonc: when I tried getting in with the failsafe terminal (or whatever it is called there), I tried typing "gnome-session" to see if I could start from there and it failed...
[06:32] <nich> loaded the slash, but no more
[06:32] <Aegir> 'sudo su' is good to get a proper root shell
[06:32] <dr_willis> Aevum,  yes. the faq/wikis cover this.. Some say its over the top paranoia.
[06:32] <dr_willis> sudo xterm :P
[06:33] <nich> sudo bash
[06:33] <_nate__> Aevum: "sudo -s" will give you a root shell
[06:33] <iceman> nice look here .. http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=16671&file1=16671-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=osx-like
[06:33] <dr_willis> or just sudo passwd - and get it back to the way otehr disrtos do it.
[06:33] <Aegir> I think we buried him with advice :D
[06:33] <Aevum> done, thank you and sorry for bothering you
[06:33] <Madpilot> iceman: is that the one that the d
[06:33] <Aegir> No worries ;)
[06:34] <Madpilot> iceman: gah... meant to say: is that the one the d/l link is broken for?
[06:34] <iceman> no .. thats just a screenshot ..
[06:34] <BR0KEN> wow..the gperfection icon theme is exactly what i was looking for.
[06:34] <BR0KEN> swseeet
[06:34] <carsonc> nich:  I had that problem at one point after X had crashed on me
[06:34] <abisen> how can i play mp3 on my ubuntu
[06:34] <flex_> its a ubuntu linux room
[06:34] <carsonc> nich: But a reboot fixed it, for what it's worth
[06:35] <kikdadog> anybody help..............
[06:35] <flex_> nice
[06:35] <carsonc> nich: Reboot probably wasn't necessary, probably some script in /etc/init.d cleaning up temporary files
[06:35] <penticlex> ahhhhhh.... people
[06:35] <dr_willis> abisen,  the ubuntu wikis tell you detialed info.. or ubuntuguide.org (but use the wikis first)
[06:35] <penticlex> that talk
[06:35] <flex_> this is a nice distro its only one cd
[06:35] <nich> carsonc: I rebooted quite a few times now... no luck yet :/
[06:35] <carsonc> nich: Otherwise you might try removing your ~/.gnome2 and trying to log back in
[06:35] <_nate__> iceman: my upload failed, oops
[06:35] <nich> okie... I'll check that possibility
[06:36] <_nate__> iceman: reuploading
[06:36] <abisen> thanks
[06:36] <iceman> _nate__ lol :) humm ... like is just a screenshot ...
[06:36] <penticlex> so is it better to compile java or to get the packages. if there are any
[06:36] <glick> hey where can i post a desktop screenshot?
[06:37] <kikdadog> k heres the output from gnomebaker      cdrecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set RR-scheduler
[06:37] <kikdadog> cdrecord: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using setpriority().
[06:37] <jeff255> penticlex, get the packages!!!
[06:37] <_nate__> glick: www.imageshack.us
[06:37] <kikdadog> any ideas
[06:37] <nich> btw, should SESSION_MANAGER say "local"?
[06:37] <nich> is that right?
[06:37] <_nate__> iceman: its a 25 MB .tar.gz for the mac osx theme
[06:37] <carsonc> nich: that's what mine says
[06:37] <_nate__> iceman: that screenshot link you posted, i think he's using something called baghira
[06:37] <cafuego> _nate__: MacOS X theme?
[06:37] <_nate__> iceman: you should look it up
[06:38] <penticlex> ok I'll try the packages this time so why packages??
[06:38] <_nate__> cafuego: yep
[06:38] <iceman> heres one ... http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=19522&file1=19522-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=another+osx-like+desktop
[06:38] <nich> hmkay
[06:38] <hondje> Anyone good with firefox problemos?
[06:38] <_nate__> cafuego: wait until its uploaded, i'll post the link
[06:38] <penticlex> sure but I havent had a problem so far
[06:38] <cafuego> _nate__: Cool, thankyou. Also on behalf of my wife, whose iBook i won't need to steal anymore
[06:39] <_nate__> iceman: look up baghira, thats what that guy's using, i believe
[06:39] <fazer> Hello, anyone here familliar with hdparm?
[06:39] <hondje> letters just get thrown around the page almost randomly, most sites
[06:39] <_nate__> cafuego: lol, you might want to google baghira, its built to make linux look like a mac, even more than the theme
[06:39] <hondje> fazer: Sure, what's up?
[06:39] <Madpilot> another eyecandy question: is there any way to replace the little Gnome foot in the top-left corner with an Ubuntu circle?
[06:40] <iceman> no google or gnomelook hits
[06:40] <kikdadog> come on folks ive been on and off this stinkin channel for 3 days, not one stinkin lick of help
[06:40] <_nate__> iceman: gimme a second
[06:40] <cafuego> _nate__: Hmm, that's KDE though.
[06:40] <kikdadog> unless we talk fonts
[06:40] <_nate__> cafuego: baghira is?
[06:40] <cafuego> kikdadog: Your user account has no permission on the cdrw/dvdrw device. Add yourself to the correct group.
[06:40] <kikdadog> wala
[06:40] <_nate__> cafuego: oopsy :)
[06:40] <cafuego> _nate__: Looks that way, yes.
[06:41] <kikdadog> k how to do it
[06:41] <fazer> hondje: Yeah, I am trying to configure my Lappy with it, still no luck.
[06:41] <_nate__> cafuego: ahhhh
[06:41] <cafuego> kikdadog: ls -l /dev/hdX (whtever device the burner is) and 'adduser <user> <group>'
[06:41] <hondje> fazer: in what, /etc/hdparm.conf?
[06:41] <cafuego> _nate__: Pretty, though.
[06:41] <kikdadog> god bless you
[06:42] <cafuego> kikdadog: I can't bless myself, it's not right.
[06:42] <kikdadog> :)
[06:42] <cafuego> kikdadog: After adding yourself to that group, you must logout and log back in.
[06:42] <kikdadog> k
[06:42] <fazer> hondje: oh no, just simply issuing the commands and then typing the -tT parameter to see of any changes.
[06:42] <hondje> oh, okay...so where are you getting stuck, fazer ?
[06:43] <fazer> hondje: Well, I am not being able to increase the speed basically.
[06:43] <cafuego> fazer: 'hdparm -c1 -d1 /dev/hdX'
[06:43] <fazer> hondje: I have 160 MB of RAM currently and got a bigger (newer) hard dist.
[06:43] <cafuego> fazer: Does that print any errors?
[06:43] <desrt> bye bye breezy
[06:43] <fazer> cafuego: trying i tnow.
[06:43] <_nate__> cafuego: iceman: http://baghira.sourceforge.net/
[06:43] <desrt> cafuego; hello.
[06:43] <transgress> okay umm my gnome just died
[06:43] <cafuego> _nate__: yeah
[06:43] <fazer> cafuego: no errors that I can see.
[06:43] <hondje> fazer: as long as you did the obvious stuff, like -d1 -c3 and -mX, where X is the right number, that's all you can get
[06:44] <_nate__> cafuego: iceman: looks like baghira is only for kde, oops :)
[06:44] <transgress> i booted my laptop, and gnome won't boot
[06:44] <hondje> On my primary hdd, I only get like 2% on avg gain
[06:44] <transgress> i log in through gdm, and it just sits there like it is waiting to start gnome... failsafe gnome doesn't work either
[06:44] <cafuego> fazer: Ok, then DMA is now enabled. What speed does 'hdparm -t' report?
[06:44] <Aevum> thats nice, i cant mount an NTFS partition now
[06:44] <fazer> cafuego: I believe Linux already enables DMA upon installation or atlest upon reboot.
[06:44] <transgress> anyone have some suggestions?
[06:44] <fazer> hondje: do you know where I can figure out which values I need to give hdparm?
[06:45] <fazer> cafuego: Timing buffered disk reads:   34 MB in  3.04 seconds =  11.19 MB/sec
[06:45] <hondje> fazer: There really aren't a whole lot... hdparm -i /dev/hdX will give you the correct value for c, d and m...the rest don't do much on their own
[06:45] <cafuego> fazer: Then you _really_ don't want to dig around with hdparm, you're more likely to destroy the disk than to gain speed.
[06:45] <_nate__> cafuego: iceman: http://xpedition.mine.nu/linux/macosx.tar.gz
[06:45] <iceman> where to import hte png files to ..
[06:45] <_nate__> there ya go :)
[06:46] <cafuego> _nate__: Downlaoding, cheers :-)
[06:46] <ice_1963> i love ubuntu i have ben installing software all day and playing whith it :o)
[06:46] <fazer> cafuego: oh, that is never good.
[06:46] <_nate__> cafuego: iceman: also, to get mac osx look and feel: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=19714&forummode=2&forumpage=1&forumexplevel=2
[06:46] <transgress> hey would anyone care to send me a message on aim to see if i receive it?
[06:46] <cafuego> fazer: What speed does it report at the moment?
[06:46] <transgress> my sn is effofffcc
[06:47] <fazer> cafuego: for buffered dis reads?
[06:47] <fazer> Timing buffered disk reads:   34 MB in  3.04 seconds =  11.19 MB/sec
[06:47] <iceman> _nate__ how to save the file ?
[06:48] <iceman> _nate__ now how to install
[06:49] <_nate__> iceman: extract it then follow the readme file
[06:50] <glick> hey whats the dos command to up all your net interfaces?
[06:50] <radix> is there some fancy GUI tool in the default desktop stuff that lets me mount the NTFS filesystem on my harddrive?
[06:51] <radix> the panel applet "disk mounter" is only showing floppy and cdrom
[06:51] <glick> hey whatchu think of my desktop
[06:51] <glick> http://img261.echo.cx/my.php?image=screen4en.jpg
[06:52] <transgress> okay so doesn't anyone have some suggestions for me to get gnome to start up again?  it hangs before the point where the music would play and stuff would show up
[06:52] <_nate__> transgress: check dmesg and look for errors
[06:52] <erm13> Ok I definitly have a problem
[06:53] <_nate__> glick: pretty, is that enlightenment?
[06:53] <glick> _nate__, xfce4
[06:53] <iceman> _nate__ cant find fdm folder ?
[06:53] <_nate__> glick: no kiddin?
[06:53] <_nate__> iceman: its actually gdm, they made a typo
[06:53] <erm13> I somehow removed myslef from the sudoer group
[06:53] <andres_fr> glick, cluttered for me
[06:53] <_nate__> glick: i need to try that, thats pretty.
[06:53] <erm13> and the root account wasnt enabled
[06:53] <erm13> so I can use synaptic or anything
[06:53] <glick> andres_fr, yeah i use multi virtual desktops
[06:54] <penticlex> downloading java packages now. yay
[06:54] <erm13> cant*
[06:54] <glick> but i wanted people to see what the theme looke on all my stuff
[06:54] <_nate__> erm13: hosed, i think
[06:54] <erm13> lol me too
[06:54] <_nate__> glick: ever try enlightenment?
[06:54] <erm13> enlightenment is pretty nice
[06:54] <transgress> _nate__: nothing
[06:54] <glick> _nate__, yeah a long time ago
[06:54] <_nate__> what wm does everyone use?  And why? (besides basic metacity)
[06:55] <transgress> and failsafe gnome doesn't even work
[06:55] <_nate__> transgress: what did you do just prior to it getting totally messed up?
[06:55] <penticlex> this package manager actually works. its so cool!!!!  I am used to installing every thing by compiling them.
[06:55] <_nate__> penticlex: welcome to modern linux :)
[06:55] <transgress> _nate__: umm iuno... i talked on aim last night, and that was about it.  then i booted it up today and it was like "NO!"
[06:56] <iceman> _nate__ do you have to create the folder gtk+metacity ?
[06:56] <transgress> except it was a silent no... no errors or anything... just hangs
[06:56] <penticlex> I feal dirty you said AIM....
[06:56] <ice_1963> freeBsd
[06:56] <penticlex> ARGGGGG I said it!!!!1
[06:56] <_nate__> iceman: let me check, i'll give you the commands
[06:56] <erm13> exit
[06:56] <transgress> penticlex: i loathe it, but it's the only messenger my girl uses
[06:57] <transgress> something goofy is going on though... because it is taking xfce4 about 5+ minutes to open a terminal
[06:57] <penticlex> I was just giving you a hard time I have to use it cause my grandma.. :(
[06:57] <transgress> but other stuff is running fine
[06:57] <penticlex> thats all she knows
[06:58] <imaek> Is there any way that I could get an image for a movie (A poster, dvd box, etc) that would not be infringing copyright stuff?
[06:58] <penticlex> wow and its so fast
[06:58] <transgress> i try to stick with jabber
[06:58] <penticlex> it already done
[06:58] <cafuego> imaek: Buy it.
[06:58] <imaek> Erm.
[06:58] <imaek> What if I have it?
[06:58] <penticlex> brb have to reboot
[06:59] <ice_1963> wheeeeeee
[06:59] <hondje> Any of you fine gentlemen use firefox and korean on your desktop and have massively bad rendering from firefox?
[07:00] <cafuego> No, my main problem with korean is that I can't read or understand it either way.
[07:00] <hondje> Yeah, I share that problem
[07:01] <hondje> But then certain family members get all 'hey, I want to see that thar internet'....
[07:01] <fazer> cafuego: how do I select a higher UDMA mode?
[07:01] <fazer> I can't seem to understand that from the man page
[07:02] <don-o> how do i select gcc 4.0 as the default c compiler?
[07:03] <penticlex> still have to link it in java I see.
[07:04] <penticlex> to firefox
[07:05] <penticlex> its still faster
[07:05] <penticlex> wow every one leaving
[07:06] <_nate__> server split
[07:06] <_nate__> i think
[07:06] <_nate__> or not
[07:06] <Madpilot> just a little one, though...
[07:06] <_nate__> not enough left
[07:07] <squareyes> how many do you need ? :-)
[07:07] <Madpilot> so, does anyone know where Gnome keeps it's default desktop images? I'd like to give the foot the boot... :)
[07:09] <fazer> What is the point of /etc/rc*.d/* directories?
[07:09] <fazer> and how would I go about making one?
[07:09] <glick> xfce4 rox!
[07:11] <goldfish> fazer: they are to do with runlevels
[07:11] <goldfish> and startup scripts
[07:12] <penticlex> where is java installed w/ the packages??????
[07:12] <penticlex> not in user/java like I htaught
[07:12] <goldfish> penticlex: where did u download the .bin file to ?
[07:12] <BR0KEN> how do i choose a different splash image in gconf editor?
[07:13] <_nate__> glick: do i need to install xfce or xfce4?
[07:13] <penticlex> not bin file installed package
[07:14] <goldfish> i see
[07:14] <goldfish> _nate__: xfce4
[07:14] <shanon> fazer: You wouldn't "make" a rc*.d directory but you can add scripts to them that will stop or start something when linux moves into that runlevel
[07:14] <BR0KEN> anyone know about splash screen?
[07:14] <BR0KEN> the directions for it at gnomelook aren't very specific
[07:14] <glick> nate xfce4
[07:14] <BR0KEN> gperfection is the sweetest icon theme ever.
[07:14] <goldfish> penticlex: 'locate java' maybe....
[07:14] <glick> _nate__, xfce4
[07:14] <penticlex> w/ synaptic was trying the package on this install
[07:15] <penticlex> I think I found it in user/lib/java
[07:15] <andres_fr> what can i make to make skype look a bit better in gnome
[07:15] <phxguy> jbailey you here???
[07:15] <andres_fr> why isnt' it themed?
[07:16] <fazer> shanon: ah I see, I think I am happy with some of my hdparm settings , how do I make it so that those settings are set when I boot up?
[07:16] <hondje> fazer: /etc/hdparm.conf
[07:16] <shanon> fazer: There is a special file for that
[07:16] <shanon> fazer: As hondje said
[07:17] <fazer> Aah, thank you!
[07:18] <squareyes> is it possible to have gkrellm open auto when I pon for my dial up??
[07:18] <penticlex> I dont see libjavaplugin?????????????????
[07:18] <hondje> That's a lot of ?'s
[07:19] <terasurfer> Well it was a pretty big question...i think
[07:19] <_nate__> how do i select xfce?
[07:19] <penticlex> not sure if I missed the main package
[07:20] <penticlex> i would feel dumb
[07:20] <terasurfer> penticlex: what exactly are you trying to do?
[07:20] <_nate__> anyone?
[07:20] <_nate__> no one?
[07:20] <fazer> shanon: like, if I typed the following in the command-line:  hdparm -X66 -d1 -u1 -m16 -c3 -i -v  /dev/hda, can I just type the same line in hdparm.conf?
[07:21] <terasurfer> fazer: no
[07:21] <uc50_ic4more> nate - FWIW - i believe it is xfce4
[07:21] <hondje> _nate__: to install it, just apt-get install xfce4
[07:21] <_nate__> its installed, how do i select it?
[07:21] <fazer> terasurfer: oh...what would be the correct method?
[07:21] <hondje> under session in gdm
[07:21] <penticlex> trying to install the package for java
[07:21] <penticlex> feeling dumb
[07:21] <_nate__> hondje: ummm, how?
[07:21] <terasurfer> i don't know the exact syntax for your args, but here's an entry in mine as an example:
[07:21] <_nate__> hondje: oh, right, nvm,
[07:21] <hondje> :)
[07:21] <Stalagna> Anyone have an really good sites for tutorials?
[07:21] <terasurfer> /dev/hdc {
[07:21] <terasurfer>         write_cache = on
[07:21] <terasurfer>         dma = on
[07:21] <terasurfer>         transfer_mode = 68
[07:21] <terasurfer>         interrupt_unmask = on
[07:22] <terasurfer>         io32_support = 3
[07:22] <terasurfer> }
[07:22] <_nate__> Stalagna: www.ubuntulinux.org
[07:22] <_nate__> Stalagna: click
[07:22] <_nate__> Stalagna: Wiki
[07:22] <fazer> terasurfer: oh, I see, thanks.
[07:22] <Stalagna> thanks
[07:22] <terasurfer> np
[07:22] <_nate__> Stalagna: np
[07:23] <fazer> terasurfer: Hmm, I was wondering that because one of the default commented values had hdparm as the command.
[07:23] <uc50_ic4more> or more accurately, humbly submitted:
[07:23] <uc50_ic4more> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/
[07:23] <penticlex> i think its from talking to stupid people all day dropped my IQ below 10
[07:23] <transgress_> ah to have gnome back
[07:23] <transgress_> it is nice
[07:23] <transgress_> lost all my preferences though
[07:23] <fazer> terasurfer: I think it was in the command_line {} statement
[07:23] <rj`> is there a decent video mplayer for linux with a gtk interface that supports queuing videos.
[07:23] <fazer> so, wait, I can turn on dma on cdroms as well?
[07:24] <terasurfer> yes
[07:24] <fazer> terasurfer: oh, neat.
[07:24] <fazer> hm, neat  I am going to reboot and see if it worked.
[07:24] <terasurfer> rj: have you tried VLC?
[07:24] <fazer> later.
[07:24] <terasurfer> cya
[07:25] <terasurfer> gl
[07:25] <shanon> fazer: sudo cat /proc/ide/hdc/settings
[07:25] <fazer> thanks
[07:25] <rj`> terasurfer: thought about it -- im in breezy atm and it's a broken package
[07:25] <fazer> shanon: What woul that show me?
[07:25] <shanon> fazer: Assuming hdc is your cdrom
[07:25] <fazer> shanon: Oh
[07:25] <shanon> fazer: all the current settings for your cdrom and what they can be set to
[07:25] <uc50_ic4more> does anyone know when we expect a Flash plugin for x64?
[07:25] <Cy|Hyper> Hello
[07:26] <Cy|Hyper> I just installed Ubuntu today
[07:26] <uc50_ic4more> also (this is my fist day w/ ubuntu) how does one install WINE?
[07:26] <fazer> shanon: ooh, yeah, the value for using_mda is 0 and the max is 1.
[07:26] <_nate__> uc50_ic4more: very carefully
[07:26] <Cy|Hyper> I am having problems with WEP and wireless networking
[07:26] <uc50_ic4more> that was given, _nate__! :)
[07:26] <glick> _nate__, in the termnal do sudo apt-get install xfce4
[07:26] <terasurfer> uc50: sudo apt-get wine
[07:27] <terasurfer> err apt-get install
[07:27] <_nate__> Cy|Hyper: Yeah, i tried using gnome's tools for configuring my wireless and it hosed it
[07:27] <_nate__> glick: i already have it :)
[07:27] <Cy|Hyper> Nate, how do I solve the problem?
[07:27] <hondje> geezo, there should be a package that has some less-dumb default for scim to add other input methods
[07:27] <fazer> shanon: i will brb
[07:27] <glick> i tried ubuntu but i had to switch back to debian
[07:28] <glick> ubuntu was a little too unstable for me
[07:28] <uc50_ic4more> terasurfer - forgive my ignorance, but apt-et installs and configures all of the dependcies? from source? i am coming from FreeBSD and the ports....
[07:28] <_nate__> Cy|Hyper: I dunno, I had to reinstall aroudn then anyways, so it works for me now
[07:28] <Cy|Hyper> Grr
[07:28] <hondje> uc50_ic4more: it does 99% of the work for you
[07:28] <terasurfer> uc50: it will install and configure binaries
[07:28] <andres_fr> glick, unstable? really?
[07:28] <_nate__> glick: wow, ubuntu has been more stable for me than any distro i've tried
[07:28] <hondje> Sometimes it wants your opinion w/ 2 or 3 choices
[07:28] <Cy|Hyper> Because I've tried about 19 things I have found about it
[07:28] <Cy|Hyper> And no luck
[07:29] <glick> andres_fr, yeah alot of weird things happened
[07:29] <_nate__> Cy|Hyper: Wish I could help
[07:29] <glick> some how at random times my dns would break
[07:29] <uc50_ic4more> hondje, terasurfer - thanks!
[07:29] <glick> when i compiled a custom kernel
[07:29] <hondje> Not enough to make me bail back to debian, but some are really irksome
[07:29] <hondje> uc50_ic4more: no problem
[07:29] <glick> the init scripts would no longer bring up my interface
[07:29] <glick> and a coupla of other things
[07:30] <glick> but those where the main things
[07:30] <terasurfer> glick: perhaps you forgot to compile in support for some devices used by those scripts
[07:30] <glick> terasurfer, nah that kernel works perfectly for me on debian
[07:30] <andres_fr> glick, 4 weeks up downloading at 250kb/s with azureus, PIV 1.7 with 128!!!Mb ram, now i have 4 4gb torrents open and a hell lot of smaller ones, and i can still use the pc
[07:30] <Cy|Hyper> Hmmm, found something
[07:30] <Cy|Hyper> I'll BRB
[07:30] <hondje> Half the time I reboot, I have to rerun the nvidia install script before gdm will run
[07:30] <r0d> totem cant play audio, or movies. how do i fix?
[07:30] <uc50_ic4more> tersaurfer, hondje? perhaps i cam out of the loop on a x64? i get the following error when i apt-get install wine:
[07:30] <uc50_ic4more> Reading package lists... Done
[07:30] <uc50_ic4more> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:30] <uc50_ic4more> Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:30] <uc50_ic4more> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[07:30] <uc50_ic4more> is only available from another source
[07:30] <glick> andres_fr, yeah but on the surface its stable but once you start doing non-common stuff
[07:30] <uc50_ic4more> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[07:30] <glick> like compiling kernels
[07:31] <andres_fr> r0d, use xine, or get libmad and the gstreamer plguins
[07:31] <hondje> uc50_ic4more: that means you didn't pick the right name
[07:31] <andres_fr> glick, got it
[07:31] <hondje> uc50_ic4more: like wine vs wine-2.4 or something
[07:31] <andres_fr> or wine*
[07:31] <hondje> uc50_ic4more: apt-cache search <keyword> is what I'd use
[07:31] <glick> i had to use a custom kernel to support my external firewire drive cause non of the stock kernels supported it properly cause it has a non standard controller chip so it kept b0rking in large data transfers and freezing the sytem
[07:32] <uc50_ic4more> crap... ok - thank you - i will ascertain the latest stable release with the search function
[07:32] <glick> so i had my custum kernel which fixed the issue
[07:32] <andres_fr> glick, talking about that, is there a way to make my 1.1 usb drive to work?
[07:32] <hondje> uc50_ic4more: do you have universe in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[07:32] <hondje> uc50_ic4more: That's hwere I have it, apt-get install wine would have worked for me
[07:32] <glick> andres_fr, whats not working on it?
[07:33] <andres_fr> glick, all of it :p
[07:33] <andres_fr> doesnt mount or anything
[07:33] <terasurfer> glick: is it possible that you selected some components with different combinations of built in/modules compared to what the inits were expecting?
[07:33] <glick> how do you mount it?
[07:33] <uc50_ic4more> not at the moment, i do not, but i could... i just would not have thunk that WINE would be there... mind u, i only read over how the packages are arranged very quickly....
[07:33] <andres_fr> i dont know how to
[07:33] <andres_fr> glick, it just says (dmesg | tail) new full speed usb device on.....
[07:33] <glick> terasurfer, perhapse but the scripts should be more generic and test for these conditions
[07:33] <andres_fr> and nothing more
[07:33] <glick> andreas mesg me
[07:33] <hondje> uc50_ic4more: yeah, same here...I ended up just adding multiverse, universe and restricted to save some hastle :)
[07:34] <uc50_ic4more> will do
[07:34] <BR0KEN> what is "ximian desktop" powered by ubuntu?
[07:35] <BR0KEN> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=18179&file1=18179-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Pixel+Girl
[07:35] <BR0KEN> oh hell yes
[07:35] <hondje> Nice
[07:35] <radix> :P
[07:36] <andres_fr> very nice
[07:36] <BR0KEN> :)
[07:36] <Aegir> Hahah
[07:36] <Aegir> Nice
[07:36] <BR0KEN> but i don't understand the ximian/ubuntu thing. http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=24143
[07:36] <BR0KEN> what do the two have to do with each other.
[07:36] <hondje> nothing afaik
[07:37] <Aegir> Ahh, thats the style of login/bootscreen that Ximian came up with. NLD and SuSE use it now (Which Ximian have a large role in)
[07:37] <jiyuu0> Fresh from oven...
[07:37] <Aegir> Ximian make nice stuff
[07:37] <jiyuu0> New Release: UbuntuGuide Add-On-CD (27th May 2005)
[07:37] <jiyuu0> http://ubuntuguide.org/add-on-cd
[07:37] <jiyuu0> Changes:
[07:37] <jiyuu0> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=191197&postcount=46
[07:37] <transgress_> where do gdm themes go again?
[07:38] <Aegir> Dunno
[07:38] <Aegir> Ill find out shortly
[07:38] <hondje> system -> admin -> login
[07:38] <andres_fr> transgress, just select install theme?
[07:38] <hondje> then graphical greeter tab, and install new theme
[07:38] <Aegir> Yeap
[07:38] <Aegir> Thats it
[07:39] <Aegir> Now, to start Xnest and see it in action...
[07:39] <Enkidu> I'm getting an error when booting from a kernel i just made: <0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
[07:39] <Aegir> Ahh hondje, what would we do without you? ;)
[07:40] <Aegir> (You were typing that out just as I was clicking through the login screen setup, nice timing ;) )
[07:40] <hondje> Probably go find another troll in #debian :)
[07:40] <BR0KEN> at the rate ubuntu is going, it is going to rival windows in no time in terms of a desktop OS that Joe Blow can operate.
[07:40] <BR0KEN> i'm blown away by ubuntu.
[07:40] <Cy|Hyper> Ubuntu is awesome
[07:40] <BR0KEN> i think it should use the gperfection icon theme by default though.
[07:40] <Cy|Hyper> Except for the WEP
[07:40] <hondje> I dunno, people cry a lot about having to rtfm to install java....
[07:40] <Cy|Hyper> I need help with WEP
[07:40] <BR0KEN> i'm just saying, it's getting there.
[07:40] <uc50_ic4more> haha - Cy|Hyper - no one did end up answering your query about WEP eh?
[07:41] <Cy|Hyper> I'm looking all over the place, but I can't find anything
[07:41] <Cy|Hyper> Nope
[07:41] <BR0KEN> ubuntu has come out of nowhere to destroy all other competitors in its class.
[07:41] <Cy|Hyper> Not even Google
[07:41] <Enkidu> Does anyone know what causes that error? I'm having so much trouble doing such a simple thing as compiling a new kernel...at least it should be easier than ubuntu is making it
[07:41] <BR0KEN> nothing even comparies.
[07:41] <BR0KEN> compares
[07:41] <yahalom> anyone know how i skins to beep media player?
[07:41] <hondje> well, I wouldn't say it's destroying competition, SuSE's latest is hella nice on laptops, blew me away
[07:42] <sonet11> hiiiiiiiiiiii
[07:42] <hondje> But it is a great desktop OS, my gripes are few and far between
[07:42] <uc50_ic4more> your router does not support WPA? what specifically is your issue?
[07:45] <yahalom> hondje, suse not free anymore at all?
[07:45] <hondje> yahalom: No, it's not
[07:45] <yahalom> hondje, that sux
[07:46] <hondje> It does, though I'm quite happy to pay money for something I want/need
[07:46] <yahalom> hondje, well if it works
[07:46] <Cy|Hyper> uc50, asking me?
[07:46] <yahalom> hondje, other os charge u money and they dont work :)
[07:46] <Cy|Hyper> It's set to WEP
[07:47] <Cy|Hyper> And it screws everything up to go to something else
[07:47] <hondje> :)
[07:47] <BR0KEN> SOMEOne has got to come up with a way to do multi-user logins like winXP and OSX in Ubuntu.
[07:47] <bob2> it's trivial
[07:47] <BR0KEN> the average user, including me, thinks it is ridiculous to have to choose "new login".
[07:47] <bob2> and already done
[07:47] <BR0KEN> it's done?
[07:47] <Cy|Hyper> Yeah
[07:47] <BR0KEN> how?
[07:47] <Cy|Hyper> It is
[07:47] <bob2> gdmflexiserver does that
[07:48] <bob2> there's just no useful UI for it
[07:48] <yahalom> bob2, any point in getting it?
[07:48] <toxicfum1> can someone please help me with my display problems with ubuntu on my laptop?
[07:48] <BR0KEN> bob2 but how can i set the gdm to spawn the new login on a different xserver, as well as make sure that when the screen goes to screen saver, it reverts to gdm?
[07:48] <Cy|Hyper> ANyway, I need the WEP solved
[07:48] <bob2> BR0KEN: I don't know
[07:48] <BR0KEN> bob2  can i, right now, implement this or not?
[07:48] <bob2> as I said, it's possible, but there's no ui for it
[07:48] <bob2> BR0KEN: of course
[07:48] <yahalom> toxicfume, whats the prob?
[07:48] <Enkidu> is there a channel speciffically for kernel questions?
[07:48] <hondje> That fast user switching app is pretty nice, I just built it tonight
[07:49] <hondje> convenient for me :)
[07:49] <BR0KEN> hondje what?
[07:49] <bob2> Enkidu: if you're not a developer, here is the right channel
[07:49] <BR0KEN> hodgman you are being funny right?
[07:49] <hondje> No, I'm not
[07:49] <Enkidu> bob2, either noone saw my question or noone knows how to answer it tho
[07:49] <BR0KEN> bob2 could there be any consideration to using gperfection icon theme in ubuntu soon?
[07:49] <toxicfume> yahalom: well X server would just not display..i tried following this guide: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto and een after that..at start up, X server says it couldn't load X properly ..and shows me the log, thats it
[07:49] <BR0KEN> it's dramatically better than the current gnome icon theme.
[07:49] <hondje> It's quite nice, I was thinking about rolling up a package for it
[07:50] <cyphase> Looking for a good name for an IM client. Anyone have any suggestions?
[07:50] <BR0KEN> hondje you wrote an app to do this?
[07:50] <BR0KEN> gaim
[07:50] <Cy|Hyper> I'm actually amazed how easy Ubuntu in general is
[07:50] <BR0KEN> cyphase gaim gaim gaim
[07:50] <hondje> BR0KEN: No, not at all
[07:50] <yahalom> toxicfume, show me ur log. ubuntu.pastebin.com
[07:50] <cyphase> lol
[07:50] <BR0KEN> cyphase and get off-the-record encryption plugin.
[07:50] <cyphase> BROKEN, a ned name
[07:50] <Cy|Hyper> Apache2 installed with incredible ease
[07:50] <cyphase> new*
[07:50] <toxicfume> yahalom: but how do i paste thelog when i can't get into X? :S
[07:50] <hondje> BR0KEN: http://ignore-your.tv/fusa/
[07:50] <bob2> BR0KEN: "dramatically better" is of course subjective.  it could be proposed if it's Free and everything
[07:50] <yahalom> toxicfume, oh junk
[07:50] <cyphase> BROKEN, i use Gaim, but i need a name for a new client
[07:50] <yahalom> toxicfume sry
[07:50] <imaek> How can I connect my iPod if there isn't a /dev/sdc2
[07:50] <hondje> I just want to see /dev/shm mounted noexec
[07:50] <imaek> ?
[07:50] <yahalom> toxicfume, did u read the log?
[07:50] <toxicfume> yahalom: hehe, np
[07:51] <BR0KEN> i think the algorithms hardwired into the average human brain would, in most cases cause just about anyone to think gperfection looks better.
[07:51] <BR0KEN> it's way more slick.
[07:51] <toxicfume> yahalom: yes i read..and there are warnings about folders not existing i think
[07:51] <Cy|Hyper> I have other problems, too, but I'll ask when I'm on my regular PC
[07:51] <bob2> BR0KEN: screenshot url?
[07:51] <yahalom> toxicfume, did u do a server install?
[07:51] <toxicfume> yahalom: should i type out the warning lines? I could do that
[07:51] <toxicfume> yahalom: no
[07:51] <BR0KEN> bob2 one sec
[07:51] <bob2> Enkidu: you get that error using the default kernel?
[07:51] <yahalom> toxicfume, one sec
[07:52] <toxicfume> yahalom: alright
[07:52] <BR0KEN> http://www.gnome-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=120 <-- bob2 second highest rated.
[07:52] <imaek> How can I get my iPod to work with gtkpod when there isn't a /dev/sdc2 ?
[07:52] <yahalom> toxicfume, query me with the lines
[07:52] <Cy|Hyper> BRB
[07:52] <Enkidu> bob2, no i get that using a kernel that i built with the default options...straight from the kernel that comes with ubuntu
[07:52] <toxicfume> yahalom: okay, let me boot my laptop into ubuntuand read them
[07:52] <bob2> Enkidu: so, the default kernel works fine?
[07:52] <yahalom> toxicfume, ok
[07:52] <BR0KEN> bob2 notice how it doesn't look all shiny like plastik, but still looks more modern?
[07:53] <Stalagna> hey? every time I try and run openoffice, it locks up
[07:53] <Enkidu> bob2, it boots and will run gnome, but not everything works
[07:53] <bob2> Enkidu: e.g.?
[07:53] <Enkidu> bob2, my speakers only click when they should play a sound
[07:53] <Stalagna> it opens up with the first screen with the loading bar, and once the bar reaches 100% it stops, and freezes?
[07:53] <andres_fr> Stalagna, try opening a file directly
[07:54] <imaek> How can I get my iPod to work with gtkpod when it isn't sensing the iPod? The tutorial says use dmesg, but I don't know what to do with the output ?
[07:54] <bob2> Enkidu: how would recompiling help that?
[07:54] <Stalagna> i don't have any files to open yet
[07:54] <andres_fr> Stalagna, any doc wil work
[07:54] <Enkidu> bob2, i dont know, i was going to get rid of all the sound drivers that werent for my card and see if there was some kind of conflict
[07:54] <bob2> Enkidu: no, it doesn't work like that
[07:54] <Madpilot> Stalagna: OpenOffice will open MS formats (.doc, etc) if you've got one of them around...
[07:55] <BR0KEN> bob2 what do you think?
[07:55] <Enkidu> bob2, well i've tried everything else imaginable
[07:55] <Stalagna> yeah think so, one sec
[07:55] <yahalom> anyone here managed to get a boot screen? i'm having issues installing it
[07:55] <terasurfer> imaek: try typing tail -f /var/log/messages and then connect your ipod
[07:55] <bob2> BR0KEN: the folder icon is a bit lame
[07:55] <bob2> BR0KEN: very gnome 1.4-y
[07:55] <BR0KEN> lemme look
[07:55] <bob2> yahalom: when installing ubuntu?
[07:55] <bob2> Enkidu: is it using the right module for your card?
[07:56] <BR0KEN> bob2 what on earth are you talking about?!  it's the SAME FOLDER icon as in gnome currently, just slicker around the edges.
[07:56] <yahalom> bob2, no.
[07:56] <bob2> BR0KEN: meh, I think the current icon theme in gnome isn't all that hot either
[07:56] <Enkidu> bob2, in the speaker icon it says it is; at least it says Yamaha DS-XG (YMF744) and mines a 744B
[07:56] <Stalagna> well, it opens up to a grey empty screen
[07:56] <bob2> Enkidu: ignore that
[07:56] <bob2> Enkidu: what module should it be using?
[07:56] <yahalom> bob2, one that will be in silent mode everyime, just showing a progress bar
[07:57] <imaek> Does anybody know what it means when your iPod has a little cd with a magnifying glass going over it and a small very slow-moving progress bar?
[07:57] <bob2> (you should know that if you're trying to build a kernel)
[07:57] <bob2> yahalom: aka usplash, aka being worked on
[07:57] <terasurfer> imaek: where are you 'seeing' your ipod?
[07:57] <terasurfer> or is this on the ipod display?
[07:57] <imaek> I mean, on the screen of the physical iPod.
[07:57] <Enkidu> bob2, umm the module is called snd-ymfpci
[07:58] <BR0KEN> bob2 well, gperfection is like gnome but way more modern looking.  i challenge you to find a theme with a better looking directory icon.
[07:58] <pinPoint> can anyone help me with snmpd
[07:58] <pinPoint> trying to run it with mrtg but getting an error
[07:58] <bob2> Enkidu: and is that loaded? (lsmod | grep ymfpci).
[07:58] <terasurfer> imaek: i am not sure, but it might be reading the disk contents...due to lack of an iTunes database
[07:58] <bob2> pinPoint: which howto are you following?
[07:58] <BR0KEN> hondje dude, does that applet you showed me act functionally equivalent to the winxp behavior?  when screensaver comes on, does it go back to the gdm?
[07:58] <yahalom> bob2, ah so its being planned for breezy?
[07:58] <hondje> BR0KEN: I dunno anything about winxp
[07:58] <BR0KEN> hondje jesus christ man
[07:58] <Enkidu> bob2, yes
[07:58] <imaek> terasurfer: O...kay.  It's been doing it for like 5 minutes now and it looks to be only 25-30% done. :(
[07:59] <dr_willis> ewww i hate that lame 'feature of' xp
[07:59] <BR0KEN> hondje when the screensaver comes on, does that applet make it go back to the gdm?
[07:59] <hondje> But I click on the other user, and it brings me to their locked xscreensaver, then I put in passwd and I'm in
[07:59] <terasurfer> imaek: is there a lot of data on the ipod?
[07:59] <BR0KEN> dr_willis how could you possibly improve that feature?
[07:59] <dr_willis> you can make the screensavber ask for a password - to get back on.
[07:59] <BR0KEN> dr_willis OSX also does that.
[07:59] <dr_willis> BR0KEN,  i tend to DISABLE it.
[07:59] <bob2> yahalom: think so
[07:59] <imaek> terasurfer: it's a 20gb, and I think I only have like 5-6gb filled.
[07:59] <Cy|Hyper> Gah crap
[07:59] <dr_willis> BR0KEN,  thats better for me.
[07:59] <imaek> Oh, wait. terasurfer: http://www.ipodlounge.com/index.php/faqs/answers/what-do-i-do-when-i-turn-on-my-ipod-and-i-see-a-disc-icon-looks-like-a-cd-w/
[07:59] <BR0KEN> dr_willis if someone comes to the computer and the screensaver is on, how is he supposed to log in?!
[07:59] <Cy|Hyper> Looks like my network card can't even detect the router
[07:59] <i3dmaster> how to disable my speaker beep in the console mode?
[08:00] <Cy|Hyper> iwlist wlan0 scan
[08:00] <imaek> It would be nice if they had it say "NOW SCANNING FOR DISK ERRORS" or something.
[08:00] <andres_fr> Cy|Hyper, wjat car u got?
[08:00] <terasurfer> imaek: what other OS have you connected the ipod to?
[08:00] <hondje> BR0KEN: It's not flawless, but it lets me switch to another user in a more convenient manner, which is a boon to me
[08:00] <imaek> I had it connected to my father's Mac (os 10.4).
[08:00] <bob2> Enkidu: so, that's right then.  nothing odd in dmesg?
[08:00] <Stalagna> ?? So open office will not open up, I tried opening and individual document and it opens up, but the screen is just a blank gray screen
[08:00] <BR0KEN> hondje i'm waiting for a real fix.
[08:01] <BR0KEN> dr_willis please tell me what solution you've devised that is bette than the XP/OSX system.
[08:01] <hondje> The only other solution I see is like OS X does
[08:01] <Enkidu> bob2, leme check that
[08:01] <andres_fr> Stalagna, reboot?
[08:01] <BR0KEN> hondje isn't that exactly like how XP does it?
[08:01] <pinPoint> bob2, i have a few i salvaged on google
[08:01] <hondje> Which is just seeeexy, if a little flashy
[08:01] <Cy|Hyper> Hm
[08:01] <hondje> BR0KEN: I don't know how XP does it
[08:01] <pinPoint> bob2, thats about it
[08:01] <bob2> pinPoint: do you know about SNMP in general?
[08:01] <cafuego> grrrtttvvvrrrr
[08:01] <BR0KEN> hondje in OSX, doesn't it return to the login if a user is logged in and his screensaver comes up and then there is input?
[08:01] <dr_willis> BR0KEN,  better is relative.. that feature is totally useless for my needs.
[08:01] <Cy|Hyper> Can anyone help me?
[08:01] <hondje> I haven't used windows for more than 20 minutes at a time in close to 5 years
[08:01] <Cy|Hyper> Maybe in query?
[08:01] <bob2> pinPoint: also, do you care if you use mrtg, or are you just trying to get pretty bandwidth graphs?
[08:01] <cafuego> BR0KEN: Nope.
[08:01] <BR0KEN> hondje don't you ever leave your house?
[08:01] <terasurfer> imaek: have you tried transferring data to the ipod in linux?
[08:01] <pinPoint> bob2, http://www.ifilm.com/viralvideo?ifilmid=2670531
[08:01] <BR0KEN> cafuego how in the hell does it work then?
[08:01] <imaek> No, not yet terasurfer.
[08:01] <hondje> Yes, but I don't need windows :-)
[08:02] <cafuego> BR0KEN: if the screensaver is interrupted, the desktop comes back.
[08:02] <BR0KEN> hondje you're never at a friend's house checking your email?
[08:02] <pinPoint> bob2, i want it to draw those graphs for me
[08:02] <hondje> OS X just asks for a passwd, then it changes user
[08:02] <pinPoint> or anything else
[08:02] <cafuego> BR0KEN: it only re-prompts when you do a user switch
[08:02] <BR0KEN> cafuego what if you have it on lock?
[08:02] <Stalagna> Andres_fr: Ok about 5 min later openoffice just loaded, any suggestions on why the long delay?
[08:02] <hondje> BR0KEN: hence 'more than 20 minutes'
[08:02] <bob2> pinPoint: but you don't care what tool you use?
[08:02] <terasurfer> imaek: just a word of caution...when i tried to transfer to my ipod (hfs file system) using gtkpod, it trashed the file system
[08:02] <andres_fr> Stalagna,
[08:02] <BR0KEN> cafuego you mean you can't set your screensaver to lock?
[08:02] <andres_fr> Stalagna, happened for me
[08:02] <andres_fr> didnt happen ever again
[08:02] <cafuego> BR0KEN: I expect you can, I just don't.
[08:02] <BR0KEN> cafuego that's insecure.
[08:02] <pinPoint> bob2, well i was wishing to use mrtg. :) this is the error.  http://www.ifilm.com/viralvideo?ifilmid=2670531
[08:02] <pinPoint> oops
[08:02] <imaek> terasurfer: I don't really worry about the files on the iPod... as long as it doesn't perminately ruin the actual iPod.
[08:02] <pinPoint> damn damn
[08:02] <BR0KEN> cafuego was that how it was by default? that's fucking stupid if so.
[08:02] <pinPoint> damn freenode chan
[08:03] <hondje> I only screenlock so my daughter doesn't jack everything up
[08:03] <cafuego> BR0KEN: Why? Nobody is going to break into my house and hack the screensaver.
[08:03] <hondje> I'm not too worried aobut security in my house
[08:03] <pinPoint> bob2, :: env LANG=C /usr/bin/mrtg
[08:03] <terasurfer> imaek: nah the hardware was fine, but i had to do a complete reset and transfer all files over again
[08:03] <Stalagna> andres_fr: I just closed it and opened it again, still waiting on it to open up.....
[08:03] <andres_fr> Stalagna, don't know what to tell
[08:03] <andres_fr> maybe get openoffice2
[08:03] <Hajuu> Hey
[08:03] <imaek> terasurfer: That doesn't bother me.  9/10 of it is stuff my dad wanted to give me; the only stuff I want is on this computer and not on the iPod yet.
[08:04] <Hajuu> How do I install a windows game, through linux?
[08:04] <Stalagna> andres_fr: through synoptic?
[08:04] <andres_fr> yes
[08:04] <andres_fr> Hajuu, cedega
[08:04] <BR0KEN> Hajuu have you checked into Cedega at all?
[08:04] <andres_fr> but it's paid
[08:04] <Aegir> Hajuu, Wine or Cedega will do
[08:04] <Hajuu> I have a copy of cedega and a copy of wine
[08:04] <Madpilot> has anyone actually used OO.o 2 yet? How stable is it?
[08:04] <Hajuu> Cedega doesnt do anything, wine starts.. but then when the windows installer initializes, it gives an error and crashes
[08:04] <andres_fr> Hajuu, then install cedega, then run cedega "installer_name.exe"
[08:04] <BR0KEN> is there a package for openoffice 2 yet?
[08:05] <imaek> Yay! 50%.
[08:05] <Aegir> Madpilot, I've used 2 under Windows and Linux. Its very tasteh
[08:05] <Enkidu> bob2, no it doesnt say anything at all about sound
[08:05] <BR0KEN> Aegir there's a package?
[08:05] <bob2> Enkidu: cool
[08:05] <andres_fr> Hajuu, if it crashes it might be unsupported
[08:05] <bob2> BR0KEN: it's in hoary and has been for months
[08:05] <bob2> BR0KEN: apt-cache search openoffic
[08:05] <terasurfer> Hajuu: you might want to check the wine/cedega compatibility first
[08:05] <BR0KEN> bob2 whenever i do an apt-get dist-upgrade it never has upgraded.
[08:05] <hondje> Is there any gnome app like kile?
[08:05] <Aegir> BR0KEN, Yes there is. But you have to remove OO1 which wants to take the Ubuntu Desktop package with it. The latter does nothing anyway. Just a metapackage for installing from a server setup.
[08:06] <pinPoint> bob2, did you have anything in mind...
[08:06] <pinPoint> other than mrtg
[08:06] <Madpilot> Aegir: good to hear. not fond of beta-testing, though!
[08:06] <Stalagna> andres_fr: could not find openoffice2 in synaptic
[08:06] <andres_fr> Stalagna, well, maybe you need repositories
[08:06] <imaek> Hooray! 65%!
[08:06] <andres_fr> try ubuntuguide.org
[08:06] <Aegir> Madpilot, OO2 is very stable, very nice overall.
[08:06] <bob2> BR0KEN: er, of course, it's not the default since it's buggy and brand new
[08:06] <Stalagna> k, thanks
[08:06] <bob2> BR0KEN: you need to install it if you want it
[08:07] <andres_fr> Aegir, very different from OOo
[08:07] <andres_fr> ?
[08:07] <bob2> pinPoint: I was going to suggest rrdtool, which has much better docs
[08:07] <nihao> using PAN newsreader, can I use it for reading a google discussion group, i.e. comp.emacs? is it for this purpose?
[08:07] <Aegir> andres_fr, Come again?
[08:07] <OSStiger> hi, i get an error window in my panel. "I've detected a panel already running,and will now exit."  When I hit the OK button, it just comes back after a second. What to do?
[08:07] <hondje> nihao: Yep, to read groups
[08:07] <Hajuu_> hmm
[08:07] <Enkidu> bob2, so what do you think is causing it?
[08:07] <Amaranth> google discussion group? they call that usenet
[08:07] <pinPoint> bob2, is it dependable?
[08:07] <andres_fr> Aegir, i was asking if it was very different from open office 1
[08:07] <bob2> pinPoint: yes
[08:07] <pinPoint> with graphs?
[08:07] <Hajuu_> The problem which makes me need to reinstall in the first place is that it doesnt recognise that my game cd is in the drive....
[08:07] <bob2> nihao: yes
[08:07] <bob2> pinPoint: of course
[08:08] <bob2> pinPoint: it's the successor to mrtg, more or less
[08:08] <Aegir> andres_fr, Yes. Open Office 2 is much much better than 1. Similar in interface.
[08:08] <pinPoint> really?
[08:08] <pinPoint> hmm
[08:08] <tweek888> hello
[08:08] <bob2> Enkidu: I dont know, I'd try asking on the user list
[08:08] <andres_fr> pinPoint, even better, get cacti
[08:08] <pinPoint> cacti?
[08:08] <nihao> hondje, bob2: then how I configure the news server?
[08:08] <Enkidu> bob2, ?
[08:08] <Aegir> When Open Office 2 gets released, Microsoft Office will look very lacklustre.
[08:08] <pinPoint> bob2, cacti better?
[08:08] <Davey> which build is it?
[08:08] <Amaranth> m100, iirc
[08:08] <andres_fr> pinPoint, cacti uses rrdtool
[08:08] <imaek> Wow! 90%!
[08:09] <Amaranth> nihao: your isp needs to provide a news server
[08:09] <tweek888> i have a problem, i jsut downloaded the i386 installer for ubuntu 5.04 i md5 summed it looks fine, but ive burned the disc 3 times and it keeps erroring on the base installation :\
[08:09] <bob2> Enkidu: the user email list...
[08:09] <tweek888> any idea
[08:09] <tweek888> s
[08:09] <bob2> nihao: er, you don't
[08:09] <andres_fr> pinPoint, but has a fully featured web interface for configuring
[08:09] <Amaranth> Davey: m100, iirc
[08:09] <Enkidu> bob2, i have no idea what that is :-\
[08:09] <bob2> pinPoint: I think cacti works on top of rrdtool
[08:09] <bob2> Enkidu: do you know what a mailing list is?
[08:09] <Enkidu> bob2, yes
[08:09] <Davey> bob2: that it does
[08:09] <andres_fr> pinPoint, just make sure to install apache2 and mysql 1st
[08:09] <andres_fr> then cacti
[08:09] <pinPoint> web interface hey...
[08:09] <vince_> can an expert tell me the following... if I use gparted from within ubuntu to resize my Windows partition to allow more space for my linux partition (ext3), upon reboot will that prevent grub from booting into linux? thanks!
[08:09] <shanon> tweek888: Does it boot and then crash during the install ?
[08:09] <tweek888> nope
[08:09] <tweek888> i get a red screen
[08:10] <shanon> tweek888: so it doesn't boot ?
[08:10] <bob2> Enkidu: there's a mailing list for ubuntu users, called ubuntu-users
[08:10] <tweek888> it boots fine
[08:10] <andres_fr> pinPoint, i have one running, wanna see it?
[08:10] <Madpilot> heh... I see that OO.org has stopped trying to give a release date for OO2. Might try it thru Syn anyway...
[08:10] <tweek888> it gets to base installation
[08:10] <pinPoint> andres_fr, sure
[08:10] <Davey> is there any way to make ubuntu boot look prettier? :)
[08:10] <andres_fr> pinPoint, nvm, laptop at work
[08:10] <poopinaboot> wow, xfce is so much faster and so much more configurable
[08:10] <tweek888> and errors with a red screen
[08:10] <andres_fr> sorry
[08:10] <pinPoint> andres_fr, pm
[08:10] <Amaranth> red screen? windows stole the red screen of death from us~
[08:10] <Cy|Hyper> Someone please help me
[08:10] <shanon> tweek888: does it crash at the same point everytime ?
[08:10] <Davey> like SuSE and other distros? where it uses framebuffer to show a loading graphic and you press esc to see details
[08:10] <tweek888> yea
[08:10] <Amaranth> Davey: Maybe something like http://dev.realistanew.com/megatokyo.png ? :)
[08:11] <imaek> 95%......
[08:11] <bob2> Cy|Hyper: begging for help isn't very useful
[08:11] <Amaranth> oh, you mean bootup
[08:11] <Cy|Hyper> Need WEP help with Ubuntu and a Linksys router
[08:11] <bob2> Cy|Hyper: disable wep and see if it works
[08:11] <Amaranth> Davey: bootsplash planned for breezy, i think someone maybe one for hoary
[08:11] <shanon> tweek888: It is probably not the CD. Find out exaclty what it is doing when it crashes. Is it loading a driver or something
[08:11] <Amaranth> Davey: geeks want to know what their computer is doing, newbs can ignore all the words scrolling by ;)
[08:12] <tweek888> :\
[08:12] <vince_> does anyone know how to run the framebuffer in 1440x1050? what is the vga option?
[08:12] <tweek888> im much to tired, it takes my burner 18 minutes to burn and ive done this three times already :\
[08:12] <andres_fr> Cy|Hyper, pm
[08:12] <Cy|Hyper> Should I disable SSID broadcast?
[08:12] <nihao> Amaranth: I don't know if my ISP get this ready for us.... Is there a way to access google directly in PAN? (if this is a correct question)
[08:12] <andres_fr> Cy|Hyper, no
[08:12] <bob2> Cy|Hyper: no
[08:12] <bob2> Cy|Hyper: disable wep
[08:12] <Cy|Hyper> OK
[08:12] <Amaranth> nihao: no, google is just reading usenet for you
[08:13] <Amaranth> nihao: pan needs to read usenet for you, so it needs a news server
[08:13] <eyequeue> vince_:  zless /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.10/Documentation/fb/framebuffer.txt.gz
[08:13] <shanon> tweek888: Don't reburn the cd it isn't helping. When you install if it always crashes at the same point it is probably an action of the installer that is incompatable with the setup of your computer
[08:13] <bob2> vince_: you're not using X?
[08:13] <vince_> bob2, I am
[08:14] <Tezkah> I'm actually glad there isn't a bootscreen by default on ubuntu
[08:14] <Madpilot> nihao: most ISPs still have news servers. contact yours on Monday, or check their website?
[08:14] <nihao> AMARANTH: oh, I see. maybe I should search if there is some free/public news server. any suggestion?
[08:14] <tweek888> shanon i have had ubuntu on that computer before
[08:14] <Tezkah> it helps with troubleshooting
[08:14] <vince_> bob2, I just want to have the nice bootsplash
[08:14] <paulproteus> nihao: What is your ISP?
[08:14] <eyequeue> vince_:  oops, no, it's not there, dang
[08:14] <Tezkah> vince_: bootsplash is another thing that can go wrong... and it also makes it hard to troubleshoot :)
[08:14] <vince_> eyequeue, what is it supposed to be anyway? a doc file? sorry, still learning...
[08:14] <eyequeue> vince_:  actually, the stock kernels are not compiled with the bootsplash
[08:15] <vince_> tezkah, you have a point here... but I am not much of a troubleshooter yet anyway :)
[08:15] <linuxn00b> hi, i'm running the live cd, the problem is I can't mount my windows(ntfs) hdd...actually I don't know how lol
[08:15] <shanon> tweek888: If it is always crashing at exactly the same point it will probably be what I mentioned.
[08:15] <nihao> Madpilot, paulproteus: I am from China. I wonder if this kind of service is provided :-( news server is not popular here.
[08:15] <vince_> eyequeue, it seems to work - if I just specify the vga option at the kernel line in grub, I can do as much as 1280x1024, but my display is a bit larger
[08:15] <eyequeue> vince_:  ah, it's where i (mistakenly) thought i'd seen the table of values (though you have to convert hexadecimal<->decimal )
[08:15] <pinPoint> can terminal work with dependancies?
[08:15] <tweek888> i will get it in a minute hold that thought
[08:15] <paulproteus> nihao: Oh, I see.  I doubt USENET is provided by your ISP, then.
[08:15] <tweek888> :\
[08:15] <paulproteus> Are there specific groups you are interested in?
[08:15] <vince_> eyequeue, conversion is not a problem
[08:16] <eyequeue> vince_:  i use 791, but it's only 1024x768 on this laptop
[08:16] <i3dmaster> vince_: can it go to 1280x1024?
[08:16] <vince_> but I also see forums saying that vesa's max fb resolution is 1280x1024, so...
[08:16] <Madpilot> nihao: that might make it difficult. still, might be worth contactign your ISP
[08:16] <vince_> i3master, yes
[08:16] <linuxn00b> anyone?
[08:16] <i3dmaster> what mode number that is you are using?
[08:16] <vince_> let me see..
[08:16] <nihao> OK. I will try.
[08:16] <paulproteus> Madpilot: Heh.  "Contacting your ISP" in China seems like asking for trouble.
[08:16] <paulproteus> I could be wrong, though.
[08:17] <Madpilot> paulproteus: perhaps. I'll leave that up to nihao, he's the local!
[08:17] <andres_fr> how can i start apache2 in a port different that 80?
[08:17] <vince_> i3dmaster, 0x31B
[08:17] <paulproteus> andres_fr: Look for the "Listen" directive.
[08:17] <nihao> btw, How can I specify the person I am repling to in X-chat. I manually type your names, but I guess it should be easier.
[08:17] <poopinaboot> so, if ubuntu is with gnome, kubuntu is with kde, what is ubuntu with xfce called?
[08:17] <paulproteus> Amaranth: You may find that removing your Firefox profile, or creating a new one and using that, makes it more stable.
[08:17] <Davey> Amaranth: pfft, I hate seeing it
[08:17] <paulproteus> nihao: Begin typing our names, then press 'tab'.
[08:17] <radix> nihao: try typing the beginning of their names and then hitting tab key
[08:18] <andres_fr> paulproteus, thx
[08:18] <Madpilot> has anyone ever run SETI@home in U? noticed it in Syn and just curious...
[08:18] <eyequeue> andres_fr:  /etc/apache2/ports.conf:Listen 80
[08:18] <nihao> paulproteus, radix : done! thanks, good tricks!
[08:18] <paulproteus> nihao: My pleasure. :)
[08:18] <glick> nihao, not tricks my friend...magic!
[08:18] <Enkidu> bob2, i found a site that says its not supported by alsa (version 0.5.2) but it is by OSS version 3.9.2, do you know if that would matter?
[08:19] <bob2> dang
[08:19] <bob2> it might
[08:19] <bob2> you can try disabling ALSA
[08:19] <bob2> and the module snd-ympci or whatever it was to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[08:20] <imaek> When I do tail -f /var/log/messages and plug in my iPod, I get nothing.
[08:21] <Amaranth> paulproteus: I'm not removing 4 months on saved passwords
[08:21] <Amaranth> paulproteus: any other options?
[08:21] <penticlex> ahh java working
[08:22] <imaek> Does it matter that I have an installed-after firewire card?
[08:22] <penticlex> it was faster than I remember
[08:25] <nate__> muhaha
[08:25] <nate__> asfsdf
[08:25] <hyphenated> Amaranth: go into about:config, sort by 'Status' and reset the "user set" values back to default with a right-click ?
[08:25] <tsume> hi there, I'm in need of assistance to find a decent monitoring tool like mrtg, what are the alternatives?
[08:25] <tsume> I'm a bit busy, so I don't have the time to rtfm or google.
[08:25] <hyphenated> Amaranth: (that's similar, but not the same, as removing the profile. it resets some things back to the default)
[08:25] <Amaranth> hyphenated: I kinda want all my settings too. :)
[08:26] <Amaranth> every time i lose my profile i have to spend 3 hours getting everything setup again
[08:26] <imaek> Hey, I can't mount my iPod no matter how hard I try.
[08:26] <imaek> I have gtkpod
[08:27] <BR0KEN> ipods don't support vorbis.
[08:27] <imaek> erm...
[08:27] <imaek> what do you mean, BR0KEN
[08:27] <glick> why are you trying to hump your ipod?
[08:27] <transgress> nope but my rio karma sure supports vorbis
[08:27] <hyphenated> Amaranth: well, I don't know how to export/import the saved passwords, and it's hardly fun trying to reproduce those 'random crashes', but they often don't occur with a fresh profile
[08:28] <imaek> glick: ;)
[08:28] <BR0KEN> the rio karma fuckin sucks.
[08:28] <Amaranth> hyphenated: this profile is 48 hours old :)
[08:28] <BR0KEN> it breaks and breaks and breaks again.
[08:28] <toxicfume> yahalom: hey, are you around?
[08:28] <bob2> tsume: you're too busy to do the work yourself, but you're willing to ask strangers to do it for you?
[08:28] <transgress> BR0KEN: my ass
[08:28] <hyphenated> Amaranth: golly, you're good at breaking things ;-)
[08:28] <transgress> BR0KEN: do you have one?
[08:28] <BR0KEN> transgress i went through three of them in two months.
[08:28] <Amaranth> hyphenated: i managed to salvage my passwords from the last one
[08:28] <BR0KEN> transgress and rio tech support sucks.
[08:28] <hyphenated> Amaranth: and your last apt-get upgrade was how long ago?
[08:28] <transgress_> BR0KEN: sounds like something to do with you
[08:28] <tsume> bob2: someone might have a better recommendation than "Linux monitor" which I seen on freshmeat
[08:28] <Amaranth> hyphenated: 5 minutes
[08:29] <BR0KEN> transgress Rio tech support was THE WORST i've EVER SEEN IN MY ENTIRE LIFE!  MANY many MANY reviews of the karma mention these same problems.
[08:29] <BR0KEN> transgress no it wasn't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:29] <tsume> bob2: was your comment supposed to be a rude remark?
[08:29] <transgress_> eh i can deal without tech support
[08:29] <bob2> tsume: I'm just rather shocked you'd be so blatently lazy like that
[08:29] <BR0KEN> transgress i took excellent care of it.  the hard drive just kept freezing. TONS of people had this problem.  Rio sucks.
[08:30] <bob2> tsume: mrtg is not a "monitoring tool", it's a graphing tool for SNMP.  rrdtool/cacti is the modern replacement for it.
[08:30] <BR0KEN> transgress how long have you had your karma?
[08:30] <imaek> How can I get my firewire working?
[08:30] <transgress_> couple months now
[08:30] <Stalagna> ?? How can you update your choices for installation in synaptic package manager?
[08:30] <BR0KEN> transgress believe me, before my karma started breaking i was in love with it.
[08:30] <Amaranth> transgress, BR0KEN: Try to be a little more friendly with this discussion.
[08:30] <johnnybezak> hey guys, i'm getting a laptop today and I want to have my home directory be on the network anyone know how i get that running?
[08:30] <BR0KEN> transgress get ready for it to break dude.
[08:30] <tsume> bob2: cacti is junk since it uses mySQL
[08:30] <BR0KEN> Amaranth i'm being friendly.
[08:30] <bob2> tsume: then rrdtool.
[08:30] <BR0KEN> Amaranth i'm mad at Rio not him.
[08:30] <transgress_> Amaranth: i am being friendly.  i don't have "wordhere sucks" at the end of each of my sentences.
[08:30] <Amaranth> BR0KEN: But you're yelling. :)
[08:30] <bob2> johnnybezak: you want your laptop to only be useful when it's on your network?
[08:30] <tsume> bob2: I don't wish to write my own scripts for rrdtool ;)
[08:31] <imaek> johnnybezak: http://ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver does that help
[08:31] <Amaranth> kinda defeats the point of having a laptop
[08:31] <BR0KEN> Amaranth well..if you went through what i went through with Rio..you'd be bitter too.  I spent over 40 hours on the phone with them all together..had a huge cell phone bill..
[08:31] <BR0KEN> i want to bomb rio's hq.
[08:31] <johnnybezak> bob2: yeah it's impractical probably, but I want to know how to do it anyway
[08:31] <transgress_> BR0KEN: you also seem to want to go to jail
[08:31] <tsume> "A YIFF sound server controller and monitor", why would anyone want a yiff controller? ;)
[08:32] <tsume> yiff == sex, in the furry realm
[08:32] <toxicfume> How do i know what my LCD's refresh rate is? (ithought LCD's don't have refresh rate..but fglrxconfig wants to know :S_
[08:32] <imaek> Does anybody know how to get a firewire iPod to show up ( I don't have a /dev/sdc2
[08:32] <imaek> )
[08:32] <Amaranth> BR0KEN: The Brazilian government's computers just started watching you. You says 'bomb rio'. ;)
[08:32] <bob2> johnnybezak: install nfs-kernel-server on the server, then edit /etc/exports ('man 5 exports' explains how).  then mount it on the client with 'sudo mount -t nfs 1.2.3.4/blah /home'
[08:32] <bob2> imaek: try asking on the user list
[08:32] <glick> oooh im scared! the brazillian government is watching me!!! hide me!
[08:32] <cyphase> Amaranth, and since they're switching to Linux now, he can't hack back
[08:32] <cyphase> ;)
[08:32] <imaek> bob2: User list?
[08:32] <Amaranth> hehe
[08:32] <tsume> bob2: its 0232, so sue me ;)
[08:32] <toxicfume> anyone?
[08:33] <johnnybezak> bob2: ok cool thanks
[08:33] <bob2> imaek: http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[08:33] <toxicfume> How do i know what my LCD's refresh rate is? (ithought LCD's don't have refresh rate..but fglrxconfig wants to know :S_
[08:33] <Amaranth> toxicfume: tell it 60Hz
[08:33] <toxicfume> Amaranth: okay
[08:34] <imaek> bob2: I think I'll try my luck with the forums first (I'm unfirmiliar with the whole mailing-list thing)
[08:34] <Cy|Hyper> Hey Andres
[08:35] <Cy|Hyper> Well
[08:35] <Cy|Hyper> Disabling WEP didn't help
[08:35] <Madpilot> tsume: knowing what 'yiff' means counts as Too Much Information, I think... :)
[08:35] <Cy|Hyper> God
[08:35] <Cy|Hyper> This sucks
[08:35] <Cy|Hyper> And I'm tired
[08:35] <Cy|Hyper> Well
[08:35] <Cy|Hyper> Night
[08:35] <Stalagna> can someone tell me how to update all your choices in synaptic package manager?
[08:36] <bob2> what do you mean "update your choices"?
[08:36] <Stalagna> does it automatically update it if someone releases something new?
[08:36] <AvvY> how can i make a desktop shortcut/launcher to a directory?
[08:37] <Enkidu> I FIXED MY SOUND!!!
[08:37] <Enkidu> sorry ;) i've been working on this for 2 weeks
[08:37] <bob2> by using OSS?
[08:37] <Stalagna> bob2: is that ? for me?
[08:37] <Enkidu> bob2, no, i deleted the alsa file in /etc/modutils, and replaced it with the code listing from a site about my laptop
[08:37] <thoreauputic> AvvY: something like "natilus://path/to/directory"
[08:37] <thoreauputic> *nautilus
[08:38] <AvvY> didnt work
[08:39] <Enkidu> i even went so far as to switch to gentoo trying to get sound...im just glad it finally works
[08:39] <thoreauputic> AvvY: works here:  try just nautilus /path/to/directory
[08:40] <AvvY> in a terminal?
[08:40] <thoreauputic> AvvY: in the command field of course
[08:40] <thoreauputic> no
[08:40] <AvvY> in the laucnher thingy
[08:40] <imaek> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=191245#post191245 - Any help?
[08:40] <penticlex> is there any way to get shockwave working
[08:40] <thoreauputic> AvvY: right click, make launcher, fill in the command
[08:40] <penticlex> besides wine
[08:40] <AvvY> it keeps saying execute text file
[08:41] <imaek> penticlex - Last I heard there wasn't a shockwave plugin for linux.
[08:41] <penticlex> I didnt think so but it couldent hurt to ask
[08:41] <AvvY> wait, i got it
[08:41] <AvvY> thanx
[08:41] <thoreauputic> AvvY: OK
[08:41] <thoreauputic> :)
[08:42] <nihao> Madpilot, paulproteus : I managed to get a new server in China. it works perfectly! USENET is a good thing.
[08:42] <Madpilot> nihao: hey, cool. I still spend a lot fo time on Usenet; it's the great forgotten resource of the internet!
[08:43] <tsume> oyasumi nasai &
[08:44] <Davey> is there anyway to re-install ubuntu-desktop without having it reinstall OOo?
[08:44] <Amaranth> Davey: Trying to get rid of 1 and keep 2? :)
[08:45] <Davey> Amaranth: yes
[08:45] <Amaranth> Davey: Don't worry about ubuntu-desktop, you don't need it
[08:45] <Davey> Amaranth: I will when breezy reaches release ;)
[08:45] <Enkidu> ok 1 quick question before i leave, how do i find out what programs load at the start of gnome; i get an error message saying that 'this program needs to be run by root' but it doesnt say which program
[08:45] <Amaranth> Davey: The one in breezy depends on OOo2 stuff anyway, so you'll be fine when it comes time to upgrade.
[08:45] <paulproteus> nihao: A "new server"?
[08:45] <paulproteus> Do you mean a news server?
[08:46] <bob2> Amaranth: er, be careful there
[08:46] <paringas> sorry, guys, what settings do you set in /etc/fstab so your windoze partition is mounted at boot and is accessible not only by root? thanks
[08:46] <paulproteus> paringas: It's in ubuntuguide.org.
[08:46] <Amaranth> bob2: ?
[08:47] <Amaranth> bob2: Oh, I needed to talk to you about a bot.
[08:47] <bob2> Davey: when you upgrade to breezy, make sure you look at what breezy's ubuntu-desktop Depends on and install all the other stuff (or just install it if it Depends on oo2)
[08:47] <nihao> paulproteus, sorry for the typo, "news server" instead :-)
[08:47] <bob2> Amaranth: upgrading to breezy without ubuntu-desktop won't be fun...e.g. upgrading to hoary with it meant not getting X.org.
[08:47] <thoreauputic> paringas: I use /dev/hda1       /windows        ntfs    noauto,ro,users,umask=022 0 0
[08:47] <paulproteus> nihao: Great. :)
[08:47] <paulproteus> What is it, so I can know?
[08:47] <Amaranth> bob2: ubotu appearently gives package information. I told cafuego to make it PM only and +q'ed it until I talked to you, since he said you allowed it.
[08:48] <thoreauputic> paringas: that is for an ntfs XP paertition of course
[08:48] <thoreauputic> *partition
[08:48] <bob2> Amaranth: I didn't allow it, I said that it wasn't a bad idea
[08:48] <Amaranth> bob2: Yeah, that's why you changes sources.list to breezy and install ubuntu-desktop before you dist-upgrade. :)
[08:48] <Amaranth> bob2: I'm just worried about it flooding the channel.
[08:48] <imaek> Does anybody know how to get a firewire iPod to show up ( I don't have a /dev/sdc2 )?
[08:49] <thoreauputic> paringas: if you want it mounted on boot, substitute auto for noauto
[08:49] <Tezkah> shit
[08:49] <bob2> Amaranth: it has a reply size limit of line of text, which even on 80x25 terminals is only 1/3rd of the screen
[08:49] <paringas> paulproteus and thoreauputic: thanks
[08:49] <crimmy> imaek: sdc would be the third scsi device. If you only have that one firewire device, it'd be sda.
[08:49] <bob2> Amaranth: and it ignores people if they abuse it
[08:49] <Tezkah> how can I force powernowd to stay quiet?
[08:49] <Davey> Hmm, how to make Gnome2 show the side panel in all browser windows? (file browser).
[08:49] <Amaranth> ah, a smart bot
[08:49] <Tezkah> I'm watching a movie
[08:49] <AvvY> how dot i got about accessing my network? I am on Ubuntu and am networked via a router to a Win98SE computer
[08:49] <Tezkah> and it sets it to be maximum
[08:49] <Tezkah> its getting hot
[08:49] <imaek> crimmy: okay, but there isn't any sd's. I 'ls /dev/sd*'ed and got nothing
[08:50] <Davey> if, for example I go to "Places > Home" I can't get it to show, but in "Applications > System Tools > File Browser" I see it
[08:50] <Tezkah> ah, well, its going down anyways
[08:50] <bob2> Amaranth: some other dude went nuts at me because he claimed I was an "asshole" for refusing his bot, and apparently my only reason was that it wasn't a bloot bot (but Ididn't refuse it and I didn't say I'd only support a blootbot)
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> Amaranth who was the bot?
[08:50] <AvvY> it detects my Windows Network, but doesnt have anything listed inside
[08:50] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: ubotu
[08:51] <Amaranth> ubotu: smeg
[08:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 lol
[08:51] <Amaranth> ack, it still only PMs
[08:51] <Amaranth> because i told him to make it do that
[08:51] <nate__> man, why didn't anyone tell me that xfce owned this much?
[08:51] <nate__> this is so fast
[08:51] <nate__> and configurable
 sorry. i'm in 'PRIVATE' talkMethod mode while you sent a message to me publicly.
[08:51] <bob2> Amaranth: my only real concern is that idiots will fill the db with crap and use it to abuse each other on the channel (cf the dpkg bot)
[08:51] <Amaranth> heh, i've seen that
[08:52] <Amaranth> oh, ##php's bot must be a blootbot too, i already know all these commands
[08:52] <cafuego> Amaranth: I can fix 'im though, I'm around.
[08:53] <Amaranth> cafuego: ah, awesome
[08:53] <bob2> might be an infobot, that's what blootbot is derived from
[08:53] <Amaranth> well, they told me they wrote it
[08:53] <Amaranth> is blootbot written in PHP?
[08:53] <cafuego> Amaranth: Most importantly ubotu allows searching through packages/Contents files for meta info.
[08:53] <cafuego> Amaranth: No, blootbot is a dirty perl hack
[08:53] <Amaranth> ah
[08:54] <Llamabutcher> hey guys I am using my buddies laptop, he got a virus on windows and he cant delete this certian file. I am using the ubuntu live cd, it looks like the partition where the fie is is mounted on hda5, but it isnt writeable, what is the command to make it writeable drive?
[08:54] <Amaranth> tell me when you turn it back on public mode, i want to test something
[08:54] <bob2> Llamabutcher: if it's ntfs, you can't
[08:54] <bob2> Llamabutcher: unless you install captive-ntfs
[08:54] <cafuego> bob2: I have stuff like !lart disabled on it already anyway.
[08:54] <bob2> cafuego: ah, yay
[08:54] <Amaranth> captive ntfs is pretty slick. uses ntfs read support to get the ntfs.sys driver
[08:55] <cafuego> bob2: They're all modules that can be dis/en-abled on a per-channel basis.
[08:55] <Amaranth> ubotu: help
[08:55] <Llamabutcher> bob2, is that strictly for the live version?
[08:55] <Highbie> so is everyone here a programmer?
[08:55] <bob2> Llamabutcher: no, it's a general linux thing
[08:55] <cafuego> Amaranth: Want me to put him back on public?
[08:55] <bob2> Highbie: very few are, from what I can tell
[08:55] <Llamabutcher> can I apt-get install it?
[08:55] <Llamabutcher> even though its the live cd?
[08:55] <Amaranth> yeah, but if it's possible to have help still go to PM, that'd be good
[08:55] <Amaranth> cafuego: ^
[08:55] <bob2> Llamabutcher: apt-get works on the live cd, yes
[08:55] <cafuego> Amaranth: I'll have a look
[08:56] <Amaranth> cafuego: since help spits out a lot of data
[08:56] <transgress_> hope you have enough ram to apt-get with the livecd
[08:56] <Highbie> are there help channels on freenode?
[08:56] <bob2> Highbie: for what?
[08:56] <Amaranth> Highbie: help for what?
[08:56] <bob2> Highbie: (yes, there are lots, on thousands of topics)
[08:56] <Llamabutcher> bob2: is the actual package called captive-ntfs?
[08:56] <bob2> Llamabutcher: no
[08:56] <transgress_> thousands?
[08:57] <thoreauputic> Highbie: this is a help channel
[08:57] <transgress_> perhaps a bit of a stretch...
[08:57] <Highbie> lol
[08:57] <Amaranth> transgress: no, i'm sure there are that many
[08:58] <[Spooky] > i have a problem with Python under install and after install off Ubuntu is this a common problem ?
[08:58] <transgress_> Amaranth: at least 2000 help channels?
[08:58] <bob2> [Spooky] : you need to tell us what the problem is
[08:58] <Amaranth> transgress_: freenode tells you how many channels there are when you connect
[08:58] <Llamabutcher> bob2: what is the command to install captive-ntfs
[08:59] <transgress_> oh wow
[08:59] <transgress_> i'm impressed... more than i thought was on here
[08:59] <bob2> Llamabutcher: there are lots of them
[08:59] <Amaranth> transgress: 8309 channels formed
[08:59] <transgress_> i noticed
[08:59] <Amaranth> transgress: you gotta figure at least half of those are actually in use
[08:59] <AvvY> anyone know where i could find Linux drivers for the Cannon MP390 all-in-one office centre device?
[09:00] <Amaranth> freenode is very large
[09:00] <Amaranth> that's why we netsplit so much
[09:00] <bob2> AvvY: does linux support it at all?
[09:00] <bob2> other networks have more people than OPN and don't seem to netsplit as much
[09:00] <Amaranth> it's not really that freenode servers split more than others, its just that we have so many
[09:00] <AvvY> bob2: it doesnt list my specific printer, but it does have a (recomended) (suggested) driver preseleected for a bjc600
[09:00] <paulproteus> bob2: The network architecture is very, um, "custom."
[09:01] <[Spooky] > bob2: when doing sudo apt-get upgrade i get a mes about phyton-glade2 is missing and i cant install it it says dkpg error...
[09:01] <bob2> AvvY: does that work?
[09:01] <bob2> paulproteus: hah, so I've gathered
[09:01] <AvvY> havent tried: should i?
[09:01] <bob2> [Spooky] : this is with hoary?
[09:01] <Amaranth> OPN? it hasn't been called that since 2001, has it?
[09:01] <bob2> er, freenode
[09:01] <cafuego> Amaranth: Ok, it automaticalt replies in privmsg when the resposne is > 128 chars.
[09:01] <paulproteus> heh.
[09:01] <imaek> gnome-theme-manager is broken now >_<
[09:01] <bob2> my irssi config is from waaay back, so it still says OPN as the network name
[09:01] <[Spooky] > hm the default on the download page
[09:01] <Madpilot> AvvY: had a look here: http://www.linuxprinting.org/  ?
[09:01] <Amaranth> cafuego: awesome
[09:01] <Amaranth> cafuego: i now have no problems with it
[09:01] <thoreauputic> AvvY: wouldn't hurt to try the recommendation
[09:01] <Amaranth> ubotu: smeg
[09:01] <cafuego> Amaranth: Easy then. Let me just kill and restart it.
[09:02] <cafuego> Amaranth: Not retsarted yet
[09:02] <Amaranth> oh, you need to restart, yeah
[09:02] <nate__> how can you run the archive manager from the cli??
[09:02] <transgress_> hmm
[09:02] <AvvY> madpilot: looking, but cant see it
[09:02] <AvvY> thoreaputic: alright ill have a go
[09:02] <cafuego> the portscans are retarded
[09:02] <Amaranth> cafuego: maybe give me or bob2 admin access to it so we can deal with abusers?
[09:03] <cafuego> Amaranth: Sure
[09:03] <[Spooky] > bob2: hm the one that is downloadabled on the ubuntu homepage...
[09:03] <Amaranth> we don't both need it
[09:03] <Amaranth> bob2: you want it?
[09:03] <cafuego> Amaranth: Let me have a perv at the userfile
[09:03] <bob2> ok
[09:03] <thoreauputic> cafuego: does it have a command like ! or similar, or do you have to address it ?
[09:03] <nate__> anyone know how you can start the archive manager from the command line??
[09:03] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: help tells all :)
[09:04] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: OK :)
[09:04] <Llamabutcher> I am trying to do apt-get update w/ the ubuntu (warty) live cd and I am getting this error message E: Method http has died unexpectedly!
[09:04] <AvvY> its printing!
[09:04] <cafuego> thoreauputic: it will respond to '!' when it comes back.
[09:04] <AvvY> wow
[09:04] <imaek> Erm... my System -> Preferences -> Themes (gnome-theme-manager) isn't working.
[09:04] <AvvY> thats sooooo coool
[09:04] <nate__> can anyone right-click the archive-manager in their gnome menu and tell me what command it uses to run?
[09:04] <thoreauputic> AvvY: :)
[09:04] <imaek> And I don't know how to figure out what's wrong with it.
[09:04] <[Spooky] > aha is the two types of Ubuntu ?
[09:05] <[Spooky] > *there
[09:05] <Aegir> nate__, It will be file roller. Not sure what the command is. Try file-roller
[09:05] <bob2> [Spooky] : ok, weird.  sure the cd burnt correctly?
[09:05] <Tezkah> [Spooky] : there is Ubuntu, and Kubuntu
[09:05] <nate__> Aegir: thanks
[09:05] <Aegir> Yeap. its file-roller
[09:05] <Tezkah> which is the latest KDE + Ubuntu
[09:06] <nate__> Aegir: setting up all my file references in xfce4
[09:06] <Llamabutcher> how come when I do apt-get update w/ the live cd it is giving me this message E: Method http has died unexpectedly!
[09:06] <Aegir> ;)
[09:06] <Raskall> my ubuntu propaganda is working. i am now up to my 5th windows convert
[09:06] <Raskall> in 3 months
[09:06] <[Spooky] > bob2: yes, i burned the iso in 16x that wouldnt be any problem right ?
[09:06] <Aegir> Llamabutcher, Umm, Its a live-cd
[09:06] <imaek> Erm... kubuntu sounds like a kind of lame idea to me.
[09:06] <bob2> [Spooky] : did you check, though?
[09:06] <imaek> I mean, isn't the idea of ubuntu to be human?
[09:06] <bob2> imaek: cool, but some other people think ubuntu is lame.  isn't the world amazing!
[09:07] <thoreauputic> imaek: it's actually very good - try it and see
[09:07] <[Spooky] > bob2: hm how ?
[09:07] <bob2> Llamabutcher: did you configure the network yet?
[09:07] <imaek> thoreauputic - I really don't like KDE...
[09:07] <Raskall> imaek: it is. I installed it to check it out. sucked.
[09:07] <imaek> I've used it before many times.
[09:07] <bob2> [Spooky] : you burnt it from linux?
[09:07] <thoreauputic> imaek: I see :)
[09:07] <Madpilot> Raskall: so, do ppl get bonus points for converting MSers?
[09:07] <Raskall> Madpilot: just honor
[09:07] <[Spooky] > bob2: no from sh*tty Windows :)
[09:07] <thoreauputic> imaek: I use fluxbox mostly - but the new KDE is quite impressive
[09:08] <bob2> [Spooky] : ok, I don't know how to check the md5sum of a cd from there
[09:08] <Raskall> brb
[09:08] <[Spooky] > bob2: ok, and linux dosent have any cdcheck program ?
[09:08] <imaek> thoreauputic - I first used GNOME, then KDE, then FluxBox, then back to GNOME, then to Xfce, and now back to GNOME.
[09:08] <dr_willis> go try WindowMaker :P
[09:09] <bob2> [Spooky] : sure, md5sum is all you need
[09:09] <Llamabutcher> well I couldnt get the wireless working on my friends centrino lappy, so i just plugged in, and everything seems to be fine, bob2.
[09:09] <AvvY> bob2, thoreauputic: i can print, but it only prints on a section of the page - as in it shrinks the page and pints a smaller version on 1/3 of the page. any ideas?
[09:09] <thoreauputic> imaek: I switch according to mood and task at hand
[09:09] <whiteox> hi all
[09:09] <transgress_> i have gnome on my lappy and kde on my desktop
[09:09] <[Spooky] > bob2: hm, am i able to check the hole cd with md5sum ?
[09:09] <bob2> Llamabutcher: you can ping google.com?
[09:10] <bob2> [Spooky] : sure, 'md5sum /dev/cdrom'
[09:10] <imaek> thoreauputic: Ah, I would, but I have things happening on my computer.  I can't really reboot/reset at will.
[09:10] <[Spooky] > bob2: i mean like check the burned cd for errors ?
[09:10] <bob2> AvvY: might try seeing what www.linux-printing.org says about it
[09:10] <bob2> [Spooky] : right, that's what that command does
[09:10] <[Spooky] > bob2: ok let me try...
[09:10] <imaek> I think I will restart.
[09:11] <iceman> ok, i need help in changing icons in gnome ... the icons if on the desktop
[09:11] <thoreauputic> imaek: no need for that - just use gdmflexiserver to log in
[09:11] <jeff25> how can I make X listen on port 6000?
[09:11] <cafuego> !test
[09:11] <ubotu> Yes, cafuego, you're still online.
[09:11] <AvvY> bob2: its just a site with ad related links
[09:11] <Madpilot> AvvY, bob2: no dash in http://www.linuxprinting.org
[09:12] <bob2> AvvY: linuxprinting.org I mean
[09:12] <nate__> what program can play wma music files?
[09:12] <bob2> jeff25: why?
[09:12] <bob2> nate__: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:12] <thoreauputic> cafuego: cool, just checking the help :)
[09:12] <Amaranth> ubotu: smeg
[09:12] <ubotu> I guess smeg is a GNOME 2.10 menu editor at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[09:12] <Amaranth> cool
[09:12] <Llamabutcher> bob2: yes I can ping www.google.com
[09:12] <iceman> is there a way to change the size of the icons on the desktop in knome
[09:12] <jeff25> bob2: why does it matter?
[09:12] <thoreauputic> ! restricted formats
[09:12] <ubotu> No idea, thoreauputic
[09:12] <thoreauputic> aha
[09:13] <jeff25> bob2: I want to spawn xterms from a remote machine on my desktop
[09:13] <Madpilot> ! blootbot
[09:13] <Raskall> back
[09:13] <Madpilot> OK, got a /msg from the bot for that one. cool.
[09:13] <Highbie> what is uhuntu?
[09:13] <Highbie> ubuntu*
[09:13] <bob2> jeff25: ssh -X user@remotemachine, then run "xterm&" and watch it appear on your screen
[09:13] <bob2> Highbie: www.ubuntulinux.org
[09:13] <jeff25> bob2: that won't work because ubuntu ships X with -nolisten
[09:13] <Llamabutcher> bob2: what difference does it make if i can ping www.google.com?
[09:14] <bob2> jeff25: yes, it will work
[09:14] <jeff25> bob2: I think I have to change /etc/gdm.conf
[09:14] <nate__> can't believe xmms won't play wma sound files
[09:14] <bob2> jeff25: no, you don't
[09:14] <nate__> can't believe i need lame mplayer
[09:14] <bob2> nate__: er, do the xmms authors have a patent license for that?
[09:14] <iceman> any one know how to shrink the icon size on a gnome desktop
[09:14] <bob2> nate__: no?
[09:14] <bob2> jeff25: the command I gave you should work
[09:14] <bob2> Llamabutcher: that means your network at least somewhat works
[09:14] <AvvY> bob2: http://www.linuxprinting.org/ doesnt list my printer - Canon MP390. the other drivers print, just not the right size
[09:14] <Highbie> so is ubuntu a mod linux os or something like that>?
[09:14] <jeff25> bob2: I don't want to do it that way.  nevermind I figured it out
[09:14] <Llamabutcher> well yeah, it works... my dns is up
[09:15] <nate__> bob2: got a recommendation for an all-around music player?  One that can play pretty much all formats?
[09:15] <[Spooky] > bob2: ok i got a checksum...
[09:15] <Llamabutcher> so i dunno why http wouldnt work
[09:15] <thoreauputic> ! restricted formats
[09:15] <ubotu> thoreauputic: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[09:15] <Llamabutcher> would it have anything to do w/ my sources list?
[09:15] <bob2> nate__: I just use cplay, but it's probably not what you want
[09:15] <bob2> Llamabutcher: could do
[09:15] <bob2> AvvY: ok
[09:15] <thoreauputic> stupid bot I just told you !
[09:15] <Llamabutcher> but it seems like it just let http work in general
[09:15] <Amaranth> abuse the bot and get silenced
[09:15] <Amaranth> just a warning
[09:15] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: :P
[09:16] <imaek> Whoa.
[09:16] <imaek> I just restarted
[09:16] <bob2> Amaranth: thinking "trial period to see how it goes and how abused it gets"?
[09:16] <imaek> and now I have like... 57 updates
[09:16] <imaek> o_o
[09:16] <Amaranth> bob2: yeah
[09:16] <AvvY> bob2: im dl http://www.turboprint.de/ it looks like it could help
[09:16] <bob2> cool
[09:16] <Llamabutcher> i have 3 repositories in my /etc/apt/sources.list are there any good ftp's that i can do that update and find the linux-headers for my kernel so i can install captive
[09:17] <bob2> Llamabutcher: sudo apt-setup
[09:18] <iceman> anyone know a app like superkaramba for gnome ?
[09:18] <Llamabutcher> i dont have a hostname though, all the ones im finding on google are all https
[09:18] <bob2> iceman: gdesklets
[09:19] <[Spooky] > bob2: that i got the checksum means the burned cd is ok ?
[09:19] <iceman> bob2 can it be got with aptitude ? or gnomelook org ?
[09:20] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: OK I'm teaching it a couple of urls in /msg to avoid the wrath of the #ubuntu Gods ;)
[09:20] <bob2> [Spooky] : no, compare it to what's in http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/MD5SUMS
[09:20] <bob2> iceman: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto, it's in universe
[09:20] <imaek> I am trying to get my iPod working, and it won't even acknowledge that the firewire is working.  Does anybody know how to enable firewire?
[09:20] <Amaranth> bob2: I'm more worried about the bot not getting used at all than it getting abused though. Remember when I had one here?
[09:21] <Llamabutcher> bob2, what should i type into the ftp mirror in apt-setup? I can only find http ones
[09:21] <paulproteus> "Ew, FTP sucks." (-;
[09:21] <bob2> Amaranth: no :-)
[09:21] <[Spooky] > bob2: it didnt match...
[09:21] <bob2> Llamabutcher: you can't use http?
[09:21] <Amaranth> bob2: You had admin access to it and everything. UbuntuBot
[09:21] <[Spooky] > so my cd is f*cked up ? :)
[09:22] <bob2> Amaranth: oh, right
[09:22] <bob2> [Spooky] : or your download was
[09:22] <Amaranth> bob2: After a week of not getting used at all when it disconnected for no reason I just left it.
[09:22] <Highbie> so what does the ubuntu desktop look like?
[09:22] <bob2> Highbie: like gnome
[09:22] <imaek> magic
[09:23] <[Spooky] > bob2: hm ok, i quess i have to download it again and check the md5sum before burning this time...
[09:23] <Llamabutcher> bob2: i dunno... what else could this message mean? E: Method http has died unexpectedly!
[09:23] <Llamabutcher> when i run apt-get update
[09:23] <imaek> i really hope that these updates are not like KILL YOUR SYSTEM updates
[09:23] <hyphenated> Highbie: there's plenty of screenshots to see if you go to the main site and click "Screenshot"
[09:23] <Llamabutcher> becuase thats what it says when i try to install the kernel headers to install that captive program, but cant find them
[09:23] <iceman> bob2 cant find that link ..
[09:24] <[Spooky] > bob2: thanks fr the help btw :)
[09:24] <bob2> [Spooky] : you can just use rsync to save time
[09:24] <bob2> Llamabutcher: perhaps that the cd is broken, or the network connection or the apt config or ...
[09:25] <bob2> iceman: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[09:25] <iceman> bob2 ty
[09:26] <Highbie> is idle rpg the most weird game ever?
[09:26] <[Spooky] > bob2: hm ok... i dunno what it is hehe
[09:26] <imaek> I am trying to get my iPod working, and it won't even acknowledge that the firewire is working.  Does anybody know how to enable firewire?
[09:27] <bob2> imaek: have you asked on the list yet?
[09:27] <imaek> No
[09:27] <imaek> Should I?
[09:27] <imaek> I don't really know what to do with the list..
[09:28] <Seveas> imaek, yes, there are much more people there who can answer
[09:28] <imaek> Under what, sounder?
[09:28] <imaek> or where
[09:29] <nate__> anyone know how to play wma MUSIC files in linux?  Restricted formats only gives how to play wma VIDEO
[09:29] <jacquesmerde> is there any way to delete the gstreamer0.8-plugins metapackage if i was dumb enough to install it with synaptic instead of aptitude?
[09:29] <Seveas> imaek, ubuntu-users
[09:29] <crimmy> nate__: mplayer also works for that.
[09:29] <bob2> nate__: mplayer.
[09:29] <nate__> crimmy: really....it won't work for me
[09:29] <jacquesmerde> nate__, i thought wma WAS music...wmv???
[09:30] <nate__> jacquesmerde: ha, good point
[09:30] <Seveas> jacquesmerde, use debfoster to delete unneeded dependenies of uninstalled packages
[09:30] <iceman> bob2 humm lost in adding repository ?
[09:30] <jacquesmerde> Seveas, to use debfoster dont i have to know every package i want to keep?
[09:32] <thoreauputic> cafuego: is ubotu likely to be a permanent fixture? Or just when you are on ?
[09:32] <iceman> bob2 dont see how to add universe packages ..
[09:32] <bob2> iceman: that page explains how
[09:32] <Seveas> jacquesmerde, you can just skip the ones you're not sure about
[09:32] <bob2> iceman: what's your native language?
[09:33] <jacquesmerde> Seveas, but isnt the whole point of debfoster that you have packages you're not sure baout??
[09:33] <Vanlar-AFK> Hey everyone. I just downloaded Ubuntu yesterday, and I'm trying to get my Broadcom modem to work... What kernel version does the latest Ubuntu ship with?
[09:33] <cafuego__> thoreauputic: it runs on a hosted box, should be here 24/7
[09:33] <kagou> hi
[09:33] <paulproteus> Vanlar-AFK: Are you in Ubuntu now?
[09:33] <nate__> seriously, why isn't it playing these wma files
[09:33] <cafuego__> thoreauputic: ... if I can figure out how to send admin commands <heh>
[09:33] <nate__> i'm gonna freak
[09:33] <thoreauputic> cafuego: great :)
[09:33] <paulproteus> Vanlar-AFK: If so, you can type 'uname -r' to see yourself.
[09:33] <paulproteus> nate__: What program are you using?
[09:34] <nate__> paulproteus: mplayer
[09:34] <Vanlar-AFK> paulproteus - No, I have to boot back to windows to get my modem working
[09:34] <nate__> paulproteus: with all codecs installed
[09:34] <paulproteus> nate__: Can your mplayer play other sound files?
[09:34] <Vanlar-AFK> but thanks for the command
[09:34] <paulproteus> Vanlar-AFK: 2.6.10 with patches, then. :)
[09:34] <nate__> paulproteus: yes, mp3
[09:34] <nate__> paulproteus: and ogg
[09:34] <paulproteus> Look for the linux-image-* package.
[09:34] <Seveas> jacquesmerde, debfoster will create a keepers file in which you specify what you want to keep, running debfoster once in a while will help you regaining disk space :)
[09:35] <Vanlar-AFK> Ok, 2.6.10... I downloaded a Linux driver for my modem from Dell, but it was for Redhat 9. I RPM'd it per the instructions, but it didn't work.
[09:35] <paulproteus> Vanlar-AFK: What modem?
[09:35] <iceman>  aptitude install gdesklets does noe get it ..
[09:35] <paulproteus> Can you provide URLs with more technical info?
[09:35] <Vanlar-AFK> it's a Broadcom BCM v.92 56k modem
[09:35] <iceman> does not work ..
[09:35] <paulproteus> Vanlar-AFK: FYI, "BCM" is a shorthand for "Broadcom".
[09:36] <paulproteus> 4212 sounds probably.
[09:36] <jacquesmerde> Seveas, actually. i just installed ubuntu recently, and have only installed a couple of new packages. is there any way i can roll-back to the default packages?
[09:36] <Chrisrv> I think it's a 4212, yes
[09:36] <Seveas> jacquesmerde, yes, run debfoster and prune everything except ubuntu-desktop
[09:37] <nate__> its pastebin.com, right?
[09:37] <iceman> why does this have to suck so much trying to add a package ..
[09:37] <jacquesmerde> Seveas, and debfoster? can it prune itself? can it take itself out to dinner and a movie?
[09:37] <Chrisrv> Everything worked perfectly with Ubuntu except that modem. Unfortunately when Dialup is all you have. A modem is important =)
[09:37] <nate__> Chrisrv: ickie
[09:38] <bob2> iceman: it's not very hard
[09:38] <bob2> iceman: it even has screenshots to show you what to change
[09:38] <bob2> iceman: what is confusing you?
[09:38] <Seveas> jacquesmerde, yes, it can prune itself :)
[09:39] <iceman> bob2 screens completly different ... cant just add a checkbox ?
[09:39] <kisain> anyone good a reading wine output errors?
[09:40] <paulproteus> kisain: I'm afraid so.
[09:40] <paulproteus> Join me in #flood
[09:40] <Chrisrv> paulproteus - I'm looking for more details on the modem now
[09:40] <iceman> bob2 no menu to enable or disable
[09:40] <bob2> iceman: is the page translated into your native language?  that might be clearer.
[09:40] <kisain> if i paste the error in pastebin you think you can help?
[09:40] <nate__> oops, i see the problem now, its a liscensing issue
[09:41] <nate__> gotta burn it to audio then rip it under linux now
[09:41] <iceman> eanglish ...
[09:41] <iceman> english ..
[09:41] <jacquesmerde> Seveas, after i selected to keep ubuntu-desktop, it asked about language-pack-en, linux-386, and grub (do i want all three of them?)
[09:41] <paulproteus> kisain: Maybe.
[09:41] <paulproteus> kisain: Try. :)
[09:41] <iceman> complete different look
[09:41] <RUXSPINZ> h4x0rs?
[09:41] <radix> RUXSPINZ: everywhere!
[09:42] <Seveas> jacquesmerde, probably you want :)
[09:42] <RUXSPINZ> sweet i need help
[09:42] <RUXSPINZ> anyone know how to do shit with an open port 21?
[09:42] <bob2> RUXSPINZ: best to just ask your actual question
[09:42] <thoreauputic> RUXSPINZ: could you be a bit more vague?
[09:42] <bob2> if it is "How do I port-forward FTP?", the answer is, "you don't".
[09:42] <RUXSPINZ> lol
[09:42] <Aegir> RUXSPINZ, What are you trying to break?
[09:43] <RUXSPINZ> my schools web server
[09:43] <Aegir> :P
[09:43] <Aegir> Hah. A noble goal. But still, dont bother
[09:43] <iceman> bob2 my synaptic package manager shows a large type list on the lest side ... no option for universe pacakges ... i can ann repositories.. but is ask for a apt line ... then who knows what ?
[09:43] <jacquesmerde> Seveas, ooh, one last question before i become an aptitude convert, i've installed a few tetex packages recently, but debfoster didnt offer to prune them, any idea why?
[09:43] <RUXSPINZ> the 80 is also open
[09:43] <Seveas> RUXSPINZ, we do not support hacking and other illegal stuff in here...
[09:43] <cafuego> RUXSPINZ: So you have ftp and http
[09:43] <RUXSPINZ> yes
[09:43] <Aegir> RUXSPINZ, Dont bother. The admins are always fifteen steps ahead, and can see your every move.
[09:43] <paulproteus> Seveas: You mean, "cracking."
[09:44] <Seveas> jacquesmerde, not really, did it only ack about the 3 afore-mentioned packages
[09:44] <kisain> paulproteus here it is
[09:44] <Seveas> paulproteus, same thing in *his* eyes
[09:44] <imaek> I am trying to get my iPod working, and it won't even acknowledge that the firewire is working.  Does anybody know how to enable firewire?
[09:44] <kisain> http://pastebin.com/291575
[09:44] <jme> Hello everybody
[09:44] <bob2> imaek: I'd really try the list
[09:44] <imaek> I am
[09:44] <kisain> please tell me it's something i did wrong lol
[09:44] <imaek> I'm just still trying IRC...
[09:45] <jme> I've a problem with apache2, did someone can help me?
[09:46] <jme> I've installed PHP4, when i try to open a php fil i've a pop up asking me where to save the file :|
[09:46] <jacquesmerde> Seveas, it asked about ubuntu-desktop, the three aforementioned packages, everything i'd installed since main install, except those tetex packages....
[09:46] <Seveas> jacquesmerde, maybe you installed something that depends on tetex :)
[09:46] <Jimbob> jme: You need to get libapache2-mod-php, or treat PHP scripts as CGI.
[09:46] <kisain> paulproteus any idea>?
[09:46] <grahagre> kde on ubuntu fucking fules
[09:46] <Seveas> debfoster only asks about packages that nothing depends on
[09:47] <Tezkah> grahagre: Kubuntu?
[09:47] <paulproteus> grahagre: You mean, rucking fules.
[09:47] <Amaranth> grahagre: watch your fucking language ;)
[09:47] <grahagre> sorry ;-P
[09:47] <bob2> iceman: do you know how to use a text editor?
[09:48] <jme> Jimbob, I supose i've to restart apache befor test it ?
[09:48] <Jimbob> yeah
[09:48] <paulproteus> kisain: I'm afraid not.
[09:48] <grahagre> so kubuntu is basically a subset of ubuntu w/ just kde instead of gnome?
[09:48] <kisain> damnit
[09:49] <kisain> i can't figure it out lol
[09:49] <Seveas> grahagre, no
[09:49] <kisain> is there a wine channel?
[09:49] <paulproteus> kisain: I'd hit the mailing list.
[09:49] <grahagre> how is it different/similar?
[09:49] <paulproteus> Or check winehq.org to see if they use IRC.
[09:49] <jacquesmerde> Seveas, doubt it, it was the last thing i installed before gstreamer0.8-plugins, and even if playing mp3's require tetex-common, i can't imagine it needs all the utils too
[09:49] <Seveas> grahagre, ubuntu and kubuntu contain the same set of packages, the default install is just a bit different
[09:49] <thoreauputic> kisain: #winehq or something like that
[09:49] <grahagre> oh
[09:49] <Tezkah> I have this program that says it requires Windows 98 or better, why doesnt it work on ubuntu? ;)
[09:49] <kisain> ok thank you
[09:50] <paulproteus> kisain: I mean the wine mailing list in particular.
[09:50] <Seveas> jacquesmerde, try apt-cache rdepends tetex-bin
[09:50] <kisain> wine mailing list?/
[09:50] <bob2> iceman: that picture isn't of synaptic...
[09:50] <grahagre> how many people use kde and gnome?
[09:50] <bob2> iceman: you need to run it before you can do anything else. system -> administration -> package manager
[09:51] <grahagre> just curious
[09:51] <Aegir> grahagre, I use both
[09:51] <grahagre> yeah, i prefer that
[09:51] <Aegir> Not at the same time ofcourse
[09:51] <imaek> Alrght, bob2, I sent the email.
[09:51] <Tezkah> grahagre: there was a survery on what people used, and KDE seemed to be more popular
[09:51] <thoreauputic> grahagre: some use both - #kubuntu for the hard core Kubuntu users ;)
[09:51] <Tezkah> its really just personal preference
[09:51] <Aegir> Mostly just use Gnome apps inside a very minimal KDE setup
[09:51] <Aegir> I only use KDE for Kompos
[09:52] <Aegir> :)
[09:52] <imaek> Nice e.
[09:52] <grahagre> i tried out gentoo on a pII yestarday, it took 23 hrs to compile everything
[09:52] <Aegir> And use the KDE classic theme for some Debian Stable nostalgia.
[09:52] <jme> jimbob, I've restart apache2 but i've the same problem
[09:52] <Aegir> And a mac-style tob-bar
[09:52] <grahagre> so i put ubuntu on my t42 instead ;-P
[09:52] <thoreauputic> Aegir: kteatime is a must ;-)
[09:52] <Aegir> kteatime? Bah...
[09:52] <thoreauputic> *grin*
[09:53] <iceman> bob2 yes it is ... dang how to send yu my screen ...
[09:53] <Tezkah> ksnapshot
[09:53] <Aegir> Heheheh. My KDE setup acts like a Mac, but looks like the back end of a bus
[09:53] <Aegir> *g*
[09:53] <Aegir> And I *like* it
[09:53] <bob2> iceman: no, the program on the page you pointed me at is not synaptic
[09:54] <bob2> iceman: a) please stop /msg'ing me, b) be WAY MORE SPECIFIC if you want help
[09:54] <bob2> iceman: the first pictue on that page is not synaptic
[09:54] <Jimbob> jme: Umm, in mods-enabled, are there symlinks for php4.conf and php4.load?
[09:54] <bob2> iceman: if you mean something other than the first picture, please say so
[09:54] <iceman> bob2 thats the repository manager i have ,,
[09:55] <bob2> iceman: you ran the exact program I told you to?
[09:55] <bob2> 17:50:57 @         bob2 | iceman: you need to run it before you can do anything else. system -> administration -> package manager
[09:55] <iceman> bob2 on my screen ...
[09:55] <Jimbob> jme: Sorry, in "/etc/apache2/mods-enabled"
[09:56] <Jimbob> jme: There should be php4.conf, which points to "../mods-available/php4.conf" and php4.load, which points to "../mods-available/php4.load"
[09:56] <bob2> iceman: you need to run the program I told you to run
[09:57] <bob2> iceman: when I run it, I do not get the program you showed me in the screen shot, I get the one on the SynapticHowto page
[09:57] <grahagre> is there some way to cloak your ip address from whois on this server?
[09:57] <grahagre> i didnt see any
[09:57] <bob2> grahagre: /msg nickserv helpo
[09:57] <grahagre> sorry ;-P
[09:58] <Chrisrv> Anyone willing to help me get a Broadcom 4112 Softmodem working in Ubuntu? I have a Redhat driver source, and need to know how to make it work in Ubuntu =)
[09:58] <cafuego> .me arrghs
[09:58] <bob2> is it too late to exchange it for a proper hardware modem?
[09:58] <Fator_Dee> hello \o
[09:59] <Chrisrv> hehe, yes. Although I'm thinking that going and buying a $15 'real' modem would be a much easier option =)
[09:59] <iceman> this sucks ... my screen shows the package manager open .. looks way different .. no checkboxs on left side of screen ..
[10:00] <bob2> iceman: dude
[10:00] <bob2> iceman: 17:55:12 @         bob2 | 17:50:57 @         bob2 | iceman: you need to run it before you can do anything else. system -> administration -> package manager
[10:00] <bob2> iceman: did you do that or not?
[10:00] <iceman> open the package  manager program
[10:00] <bob2> nno
[10:00] <bob2> stop
[10:00] <bob2> I gave you explicit instructions
[10:00] <bob2> did you follow them or not?
[10:01] <p88> hi, how do I load all the needed modules and mknods of vmware without rebuilding them every time I reboot?
[10:01] <bob2> you never need to rebuild them for a reboot
[10:02] <bob2> did you just not add them to /etc/modules?
[10:02] <iceman> bob2 opened synaptic package manager ...
[10:02] <bob2> Chrisrv: please don't /msg people
[10:02] <bob2> if they're random unpackaged sources, they will probably work
[10:02] <bob2> but you will need to rebuild them everytime your kernel gets upgraded
[10:03] <p88> bob2: even if I load them, the device nodes won't be created
[10:03] <bob2> iceman: so, the title of the window is "Synaptic Package Manager"?
[10:03] <bob2> p88: vmware still doesn't do udev?
[10:03] <bob2> haha
[10:03] <iceman> bob2 yes
[10:03] <Chrisrv> sorry, thought that would be easier to keep track of.
[10:03] <bob2> Chrisrv: no, in here everyone can help
[10:03] <bob2> iceman: but it looks like the firsst screenshot in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504?
[10:05] <iceman> bob2 ... no .. ?
[10:05] <bob2> iceman: dude
[10:05] <bob2> you're not explaining things very well
[10:06] <bob2> you told me you were using the tool that looked like the one in that picture
[10:06] <iceman> bob2 now i have that one open
[10:06] <iceman> thats the update manager ..
[10:06] <bob2> yes, I know
[10:07] <iceman> dont see how to add the universe packages ...
[10:07] <bob2> so
[10:07] <bob2> you're reading the wiki page I pointed you at
[10:07] <bob2> and you get to the bit that says "In Synaptic, bring up the repositories window: Settings -> Repositories".
[10:07] <bob2> which part of that doesn't work?
[10:07] <iceman> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504? that one
[10:07] <bob2> dude
[10:07] <bob2> no
[10:08] <bob2> 17:25:30           bob2 | iceman: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[10:08] <Chrisrv> I'm not familiar with different linux distros. Can someone look at the Softmodem Instructions here (http://www.jhrose.dial.pipex.com/tools/) and tell me if I'll need to change anything to rebuild the driver it's talking about for Ubuntu? The instructions given on this page are for SuSE
[10:09] <iceman> my screen to add repositories is completly different
[10:09] <iceman> not even close to that one ...
[10:09] <bob2> iceman: in what way?
[10:09] <bob2> being vague is really really really annoying
[10:09] <bob2> and means people will not bother trying to help you
[10:09] <iceman> hard to describe the way mine looks ..
[10:10] <bob2> not really
[10:10] <bob2> it's simple
[10:10] <iceman> bob2 my package manager look like the one on that page ...
[10:10] <bob2> is it the same, but with a different list of available repositories?
[10:10] <iceman> not even close to the same ...
[10:11] <Seveas> iceman, [prtscr] ,gimp,ftp->put on webpage :)
[10:11] <thoreauputic> bob2: I think the repositories screenshot on that page is from warty? Mine also looks different
[10:11] <iceman> exactly ..
[10:11] <bob2> it does too
[10:11] <bob2> iceman: my apologies
[10:11] <Seveas> correct
[10:12] <iceman> np ... i found the problem ...
[10:12] <iceman> i'll explain what i had to do .. to make the universe packages available ..
[10:12] <bob2> Chrisrv: get the rpm from dell, convert it to a .deb with "alien", then install it.
[10:12] <jme> jimbob, In php4.con i only have this 2 lines : AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
[10:12] <jme> AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps
[10:13] <jme> gedit php4.load
[10:13] <bob2> Chrisrv: run: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[10:13] <GNAM> how can I restart a service as sshd?
[10:13] <bob2> Chrisrv: continue on from the "After extracting the RPM files," paragraph, but do not edit the header file
[10:13] <jme> in php4.load i've this line : LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so
[10:13] <iceman> once i opened the package manager repository selection ..
[10:13] <bob2> GNAM: you mean restart sshd?
[10:13] <Hajuu> Hey
[10:13] <Seveas> GNAM, /etc/init.d/sshd restart
[10:13] <iceman> click settings ..
[10:13] <bob2> GNAM: sudo invoke-rc.d ssh restart
[10:13] <Hajuu> I just apt-get'd enlightenment window manager.. how can I switch over to using that?
[10:14] <iceman> add a check beside disabled software sources option
[10:14] <GNAM> auaua nothing work
[10:14] <iceman> then universe pacages appear ... in the new list ...
[10:14] <GNAM> my sshd is is /usr/sbin
[10:14] <Seveas> Hajuu, log out and choose enlightenment from the login screen
[10:14] <Chrisrv> Thanks bob. I'm going to try that. Then I'll fireup my laptop and come back here on it, with Linux on my home PC, that way I can try stuff on it and talk here at the same time.
[10:14] <bob2> Chrisrv: you'll need to copy the script to /etc/init.d/ manually
[10:15] <iceman> bob2 you tried ... np ... he caught the screen difference ..
[10:15] <Seveas> GNAM, have you manually installed sshd or from the repositories?
[10:15] <bob2> Chrisrv: the ppp config files can be generated using "sudo pppconfig"
[10:15] <GNAM> from repo
[10:15] <Chrisrv> bob2 ok
[10:15] <iceman> bob2 thanks ... think i got it now ..
[10:15] <Hajuu> Seveas:  did.. I couldnt see it there...
[10:15] <GNAM> it works
[10:15] <GNAM> but I need to reboot to restart the service?
[10:15] <Hajuu> ill try again
[10:15] <Seveas> GNAM, no
[10:15] <bob2> GNAM: no, not at all
[10:15] <GNAM> ok, what's command ? :P
[10:15] <Chrisrv> will the Gnome dial-up connection manager thing work for me after /dev/modem is properly linked? or will I need the PPP scripts anyway?
[10:15] <Seveas> GNAM, /etc/init.d/sshd restart
[10:16] <Seveas> GNAM, sudo /etc/init.d/sshd restart
[10:16] <Seveas> you need to do it as rot
[10:16] <Seveas> root*
[10:16] <thoreauputic> Seveas: erm - ssh not sshd I think
[10:16] <GNAM> /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[10:16] <Seveas> hmm, indeed
[10:16] <GNAM> ok
[10:16] <GNAM> thanks
[10:16] <GNAM> no sshd
[10:16] <GNAM> ;)
[10:16] <iceman> got gdesklets ... thanks
[10:16] <Seveas> weird, calling sshd ssh :)
[10:17] <thoreauputic> Chrisrv: I strongly suggest using pppconfig instead
[10:18] <thoreauputic> oh, too late
[10:20] <Hajuu> Ok uhm
[10:20] <Hajuu> I restarted
[10:20] <Hajuu> No sign of enlightenment on my login menu
[10:20] <Hajuu> No sign of any choice of window managers at all
[10:20] <Hajuu> I could chose gnome or failsafe
[10:20] <bob2> yup
[10:21] <Hajuu> So.. Any ideas on how to change my window manager then?
[10:21] <Hajuu> heh
[10:21] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: have a look at the entry for gnome.desktop in /usr/share/xsessions and make a similar file for enlightenment (I suspect it's missing)
[10:22] <ubuntu> hallo
[10:23] <ubuntu> Hallo bob2
[10:23] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: the Exec=  line would say /usr/bin/enlightenment I would think
[10:23] <Hajuu> doesnt seem to have anything in there about a window manager
[10:23] <Hajuu> Exec=/usr/bin/gnome-session
[10:24] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: there should be a gnome.desktop file
[10:24] <Hajuu> yeah thats what that line is from
[10:24] <bob2> gnome-session starts your window manager
[10:24] <jme> ls
[10:24] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: you will need a new file in there called enlightenment.desktop
[10:24] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: with the same format
[10:24] <Hajuu> righto
[10:25] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: I think the enlightenment package fails to set it up
[10:25] <Hajuu> and just point the exec line to the enlightenment exec?
[10:25] <Hajuu> nah it didnt fail
[10:25] <Hajuu> heh
[10:25] <lunitik> Is it true that Thunar is due to replace Nautilus in Ubuntu?  :o
[10:25] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: try it and see if it works ( it should if you use the same format I think)
[10:26] <Seveas> lunitik, where did you hear that?
[10:26] <Hajuu> cool
[10:26] <Hajuu> will do
[10:26] <Hajuu> thanks
[10:26] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: if not you will need a ~/.xsession file for it
[10:26] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: but try this first
[10:26] <lunitik> Seveas, Nat Freidmans latest blog...  " Jeff seemed pretty excited about this; I got the feeling Ubuntu would be switching to Thunar pretty shortly!"
[10:27] <lunitik> Just him guessing? or valid?
[10:27] <Seveas> lunitik, hmm, never heard of such a thing from ubuntu-devs, can you give me the url to that blog please
[10:27] <lunitik> Seveas, umm... just go to planet.g.o and search for friedman  :/
[10:29] <Seveas> lunitik, it's just guessing on his side
[10:32] <kakalto> anyone here played criticalmass?
[10:33] <jyrki007> Hi, does anyone idea to unzip RAR-files? apt-get install "what"?
[10:33] <Burgundavia> jyrki007, unrar-nonfree
[10:33] <lexxan> Hey bob2.. go fuck yourself.
[10:33] <jyrki007> thanks, I am newbie on Ubuntu
[10:34] <snac> unrar
[10:34] <jeff25>  I think automake is broken
[10:35] <jeff25> if I have 3 versions of automake installed... how do I choose which one I want to use?
[10:35] <snac> hello guys , there is someone use ipodder
[10:36] <jeff25> all the symlinks point to /etc/alternatives
[10:36] <bob2> jeff25: right...
[10:36] <bob2> jeff25: update-alternatives --config automake
[10:36] <jeff25> ah
[10:37] <kakalto> anyone used tuxtype?
[10:37] <kakalto> sounds like fun
[10:38] <lesshaste> how do I tell which card   nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0281 (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA] ) is ?
[10:39] <jeff25> bob2: btw update-alternatives doesn't update stuff in /usr/share.  I updated to automake-1.9 which means that there should be a symlink going to /usr/share/automake-1.9 but it didn't install it
[10:39] <orangerd> does anyone know what i should get in order to get boot splash to work (like gentoo's gensplash or fedora's rhgb)?
[10:39] <cagdas> hi
[10:39] <orangerd> i've seen docs about usplash, but is that anywhere near done?
[10:39] <bob2> jeff25: er, why should there be a symlink pointing there?
[10:40] <jeff25> bob2: because automake-1.9 is using stuff from the old /usr/share/automake dir
[10:40] <jeff25> and it's screwing up my autogen.sh script
[10:40] <cagdas> the ilisp package installation fails while dpkg tries to configure it
[10:40] <cagdas> is this a known bug?
[10:40] <cagdas> how can I handle it?
[10:40] <bob2> jeff25: how sure are you?
[10:41] <jeff25> bob2: well I'm going to test it right now... one sec
[10:41] <Hajuu> Anyone know of a good screen manager other than enlightenment?
[10:41] <cagdas> the error is as follows:
[10:41] <cagdas> emacs-package-install: /usr/lib/emacsen-common/packages/install/ilisp emacs21 emacs21 failed at /usr/lib/emacsen-common/emacs-package-install line 30, <TSORT> line 2.
[10:41] <jeff25> bob2: heh even after installing the symlink my autogen.sh still doesn't work right.  I don't know what is up
[10:41] <xun> lesshaste, look at http://www.pcidatabase.com/vendor_details.php?id=606
[10:42] <jeff25> bob2: so I don't think the symlink is the only problem
[10:42] <orangerd> does ubuntu have a boot splash like thing?
[10:42] <bob2> orangerd: no
[10:43] <orangerd> bob2: ahh..  any plans on getting a boot splash for ubuntu tho?
[10:43] <bob2> yes
[10:43] <orangerd> bob2: usplash?
[10:43] <Seveas> orangerd, usplash is a breezy goal
[10:43] <jeff25> bob2: haha!
[10:43] <lesshaste> xun, thx! :)
[10:43] <jeff25> bob2: the symlinks were the problem
[10:44] <jeff25> bob2: you have to update /usr/share for both aclocal and automake
[10:44] <imaek> I am trying to get my iPod working, and it won't even acknowledge that the firewire is working.  Does anybody know how to enable firewire?
[10:44] <orangerd> Seveas: ahh, got it ;)  when's breezy gonna be "stable" tho?
[10:44] <jeff25> now my autogen.sh is working fine
[10:44] <bob2> jeff25: I'm pretty sure that's not true
[10:44] <Seveas> orangerd, october
[10:44] <jeff25> bob2: well I just did it
[10:44] <jeff25> bob2: and it's working now
[10:44] <bob2> jeff25: automake in Debian has been like this for years, but I haven't heard of anyone having problems
[10:44] <orangerd> Seveas: cool, thnx for the info :D
[10:45] <jeff25> bob2: I don't know what to tell you... all I did was install a new automake and it didn't work.  I changed the symlinks and it's working now
[10:45] <bob2> jeff25: automake-1.4 and automake-1.9 both use /usr/share/automake-X.Y explicitly
[10:45] <jeff25> bob2: then why do I get errors complaining about blah.m4 in /usr/share/automake ?
[10:46] <bob2> jeff25: what version of automake where you trying to use?
[10:46] <jeff25> automake-1.9
[10:47] <jeff25> bob2: to be honest I don't know if I'm correct or not
[10:47] <jeff25> bob2: all I know is without those symlinks it doesn't work at all
[10:49] <Dsx> anyone able to help with a guidedog/net sharing problem?
[10:50] <yahalom> anyone here use desklets?
[10:51] <yahalom> i have that i cant get rid of and its driving me insane
[10:51] <yahalom> it follows my cursor everywhere so i cant click on it to remove it
[10:51] <Fator_Dee> alt+f2 & xkill?
[10:52] <Chrisrv> bob2: Hello bob, I'm back. I've converted the modem driver using alien into a .deb, installed it, and now I need to edit the makefile. Only one problem... I have no clue where it installed to =)
[10:53] <yahalom> Fator_Dee, thanx that kills the app thought i just want the desklet to die
[10:53] <Akrame> hi
[10:53] <bob2> Chrisrv: /usr/src/RPMs or something equally silly
[10:53] <bob2> dpkg -L nameofthedeb
[10:54] <Chrisrv> bob2: Thanks
[10:54] <lexus14> ciao a tutti
[10:58] <lexus14> scappo
[10:58] <yahalom> anyone here know how i can remove a faulty desklet without killing my gdesklets app?
[10:59] <Chrisrv> bob2: when I do 'dpkg -L bcmsm' I get 7 diretories listed (/usr/share) and then the .spec and tar.gz file in the root dir.
[10:59] <bigfoot> hi, I'd like to work with  two keyboard layouts: Dvorak and Qwerty. I've aleady gone to Preferences->Keyboard. Now i have Dvorak and US ENglish. But how do i switch from one to the other?
[10:59] <Chrisrv> bob2: /usr/share/doc/bcmsm/ is the deepest dir, but there is no Makefile in that dir
[11:00] <yahalom> bigfoot, choose sticky switching in the same palce u chose dvorak
[11:01] <yahalom> bigfoot, nevermind, just press both alt keys together it should switch
[11:01] <bob2> Chrisrv: root dir? haha.  copy them to yur home dir and unpack them
[11:02] <navreet> I have a 32bit gentoo partition, how can I run a program from my 32 bit environment? like firefox e.g.
[11:02] <bigfoot> yahalom, l don't see sticky swithching. also, when i press both alt keys, nothing happens.
[11:02] <yahalom> bigfoot, u have a us symbol on ur panel?
[11:03] <Chrisrv> bob2: Sorry, I'm a linux noob. I copied the .spec file and the .tar.gz file to my home dir. How do I unpack them?
[11:03] <bigfoot> no
[11:04] <yahalom> bigfoot, ok so go to preferences>keyboard ok?
[11:04] <bigfoot> ok
[11:04] <Dalkus> Chrisrv, 'tar xvzf filename.tar.gz'  to unpack tar.gz
[11:04] <bigfoot> yahalom, a strange thing. in xchat, it is qwerty. in firefox it is dvorak.
[11:04] <yahalom> bigfoot, layout options
[11:05] <bigfoot> yahalom, ok
[11:05] <yahalom> bigfoot, group shift/lock behavior
[11:05] <Chrisrv> bob2: Thanks! I think i'm getting closer.
[11:06] <yahalom> bigfoot, and choose one
[11:06] <Ubuntian> guys look at this: a laptop with linux pre-installed at 549$ !http://www.microtelpc.com/
[11:06] <Ubuntian> (i'm not working for them buy the way)
[11:06] <Dalkus> Ubuntian, sure... Linux is starting to be pre-installed on desktop pc's too
[11:06] <bigfoot> yahalom, what is currently selected is both alt keys, but it is not working
[11:07] <Ubuntian> desktop yes, a long time ago, but linux on laptop it's rare
[11:07] <yahalom> bigfoot, umm...so sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:07] <Akrame> e
[11:07] <Hajuu> hey
[11:08] <Hajuu> can anyone tell me where I put window manager themes?
[11:08] <Dalkus> Depends on the window manager
[11:08] <lesshaste> is there something faster than tightvnc these days
[11:09] <yahalom> Ubuntian, xandros
[11:12] <joker71> hi
[11:12] <r0d> how can I see what .deb packages i've installed?
[11:13] <joker71> r0d, i dont know sorry
[11:13] <Hajuu> tar -x "/home/hajuu/downloads/fluxbox_themes/eon01-default.tar.gz" -- How come that just sits there not doing anything?
[11:13] <thoreauputic> dpkg -l | less
[11:14] <Hajuu> errr
[11:14] <Hajuu> tar -x "/home/hajuu/downloads/fluxbox_themes/eon01-default.tar.gz" "/usr/share/fluxbox/styles/eon01/
[11:14] <Hajuu> That sorry
[11:14] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: tar xvzf <file.tar.gz>
[11:14] <jeff25> bob2: if I install development library from one of the repositories and it's out of date... what are my options?  build my own?
[11:14] <Chrisrv> bob2: I looked in the Makefile, and I didn't see any entries where KERNEL_SRC were set, so I just tried to make the package. It didn't give any errors, but also didn't seem to do much. said "BCM V.92 56 Modem Install" and gave a copyright msg and went back to prompt.
[11:15] <bob2> jeff25: "out of date"? e.g.?
[11:15] <bob2> Chrisrv: ok
[11:16] <jeff25> bob2: yeah like say the api changed... and I need a newer version
[11:16] <bob2> jeff25: for example?
[11:16] <joker71> heh
[11:16] <bob2> that doesn't happen much
[11:16] <Hajuu> thoreauputic:  how do I tell it where I want to extract it to?
[11:16] <Chrisrv> bob2: ignore for a sec. I think I see waht I missed.
[11:16] <bob2> if it does, then you need to think carefully
[11:16] <bob2> if it's not in ubuntu, it means it came out very recently
[11:16] <jeff25> bob2: libx264 had one of it's struct members changed in the API
[11:16] <bob2> do you really want to insist your users install that?
[11:17] <jeff25> bob2: me?
[11:17] <bob2> jeff25: lordy
[11:17] <bob2> jeff25: if you depend on a newer version of something than is in ubuntu unstable, you're cutting out a lot of users
[11:17] <bob2> think carefully if that is really good idea
[11:17] <bob2> if so, yes, you have to install it yourself
[11:17] <jeff25> bob2: heh
[11:17] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: I don't know offhand - i just extract then move, or move first
[11:18] <bob2> or, better still, package it
[11:18] <jeff25> bob2: with all due respect, I could give a rip what other users have.  I just want to install this for a project of mine
[11:18] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: man tar would know ;)
[11:18] <bob2> okiedokie
[11:18] <jeff25> bob2: libx264 is very developmental and they change the api often
[11:18] <jeff25> bob2: what are my options
[11:18] <Hajuu> just reading now
[11:18] <Hajuu> heh
[11:19] <bob2> 19:17:54           bob2 | if so, yes, you have to install it yourself
[11:19] <bob2> 19:18:01           bob2 | or, better still, package it
[11:19] <jeff25> ah ok
[11:19] <bob2> depending on unstable libraries is a bad idea, tho
[11:19] <jeff25> sorry didn't see
[11:19] <jeff25> bob2: yeah :/
[11:19] <bob2> you should probably be statically linking
[11:19] <jeff25> yeah
[11:19] <bob2> unless you're sure upstream is clueful enough to bump the SONAME when they change the ABI
[11:19] <bob2> (seem most library authors aren't that careful)
[11:19] <Chrisrv> bob2: one last question (i hope) - when sending params to Make, what should I set KERNEL_DIR to?
[11:20] <Hajuu> heh it would seem man tar wouldn't know
[11:20] <bob2> Chrisrv: what it says on that page
[11:20] <jeff25> bob2: well this project I'm working on won't go public for awhile... it's just for testing and to learn a new api for work
[11:20] <bob2> Hajuu: cd wherever ; tar -jxf blah.tar.bz2
[11:20] <bob2> jeff25: ah
[11:20] <Chrisrv> bob2: It says use that for the KERNEL_SRC var. Same thing?
[11:20] <bob2> Chrisrv: I have no idea, I've never looked at the driver
[11:21] <jacquesmerde> the wiki page on adding java support says to add hoary AND warty repos...is that right???
[11:21] <jeff25> bob2: thanks for the help
[11:21] <Chrisrv> bob2: ok, i'll try it and see what happens =)
[11:21] <bob2> Chrisrv: does it really have both those in the makefile?
[11:21] <bob2> jeff25: np
[11:21] <joker71> on a lappy no less
[11:21] <bob2> jacquesmerde: no
[11:21] <jeff25> bob2: I'm quite new to ubuntu and to .deb's in general
[11:21] <bob2> jeff25: ah
[11:21] <joker71> jeff25, welcome to the Dark Side
[11:21] <jeff25> joker71: hehe
[11:21] <jacquesmerde> bob2, which wiki page should i be looking at then?
[11:21] <bob2> jeff25: ubuntu/debian unstable tends to track new upstream libraries pretty quickly
[11:21] <bob2> jeff25: like, quickly enough that you don't bother building it yourself
[11:22] <pwn3r> whenever i start my computer i have to manually run dhclient :(
[11:22] <bob2> pwn3r: configure /etc/network/interfaces properly
[11:22] <jeff25> bob2: I'll have to check those out
[11:22] <bob2> pwn3r: ie:
[11:22] <bob2> auto eth0
[11:22] <bob2> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[11:22] <joker71> i have suse on my desktop and i have no choice and i hate it, i love debian
[11:23] <pwn3r> thanks bob, i wan missing the auto eth0 line
[11:23] <cyphase> joker71, why do you have no choice?
[11:23] <cyphase> worc computer?
[11:23] <cyphase> work*
[11:23] <Chrisrv> bob2: Doh. Shot down. Make tells me that GCC is not found on my system. And since the modem isn't working, I can't download missing parts of the installation.
[11:23] <joker71> Cyphase, really really really crappy hardware
[11:23] <bob2> Chrisrv: install build-essential off the ubuntu cd
[11:23] <cyphase> oh
[11:24] <joker71> cyphase, its an old pIII 933 that my mother killed running win2k on for 4 years
[11:24] <Chrisrv> bob2: At the moment I'm doing this off a live-boot CD. Does that matter?
[11:24] <glick> why does my custom kernel work flawlessly in debian and not in ubuntu?
[11:24] <bob2> Chrisrv: yes
[11:24] <Hajuu> is there a way I can have more than one login running X?
[11:24] <bob2> Chrisrv: also, bear in mind you'll have to do this all over again when you install ubuntu
[11:24] <bob2> glick: you're being too vague for anyone to help you
[11:24] <bob2> Hajuu: sure
[11:24] <joker71> ive actually smoked two MBR's on 2 hard drives
[11:25] <Hajuu> howso?
[11:25] <bob2> Hajuu: login on a terminal, run "startx -- :1", enjoy
[11:25] <Hajuu> cheers
[11:25] <bob2> Hajuu: there's a gnome applet to automate it, too
[11:25] <joker71> howso at me?
[11:25] <Chrisrv> bob2: Yeah, i realize that. I was trying to see if I could get the modem to work before doing a real install. So.. If it does matter. how do I do the install off the live-cd for the build tools?
[11:25] <bob2> Chrisrv: you almost certainly need network connectivity for that
[11:25] <HappyFool> how about Applications -> System tools -> New Login ?
[11:25] <glick> bob2, when i compiled and installed this kernel in ubuntu my dns kept breaking at random times, resulting in gnome take 10+ minutes to start, and my ethernet card would not be activated during boot
[11:26] <Chrisrv> bob2: And thanks a TON for all this help. You're way too busy for this early in the morning/late at night.
[11:26] <glick> id have to manuall do ifconfig eth0 up; dhclient
[11:26] <joker71> anyway on this machine my IBM celery 700 imin Icewm and its a nice gooey
[11:26] <joker71> gotta love think pads
[11:26] <bob2> glick: and rebooting with the ubuntu default kernel works perfectly?
[11:26] <glick> bob2, yes
[11:26] <bob2> glick: why did you build a custom kernel, anyway?
[11:26] <bob2> glick: that just means your kernel is broken
[11:26] <yahalom> desklets help please!
[11:27] <bob2> Chrisrv: np...it's 1930 sunday here.
[11:27] <Hajuu> ok uhm.. I did that.. its all logged in etc etc... but It wont let me do anything... nothing runs
[11:27] <bob2> yahalom: beer please!
[11:27] <glick> bob2, my external firewire drive is not supported properly by stock kernels
[11:27] <bob2> glick: is it supported in 2.6.12?
[11:27] <joker71> Sun May 29 03:27:49 MDT 2005
[11:27] <yahalom> bob2, cheers :)
[11:27] <glick> bob2, lol how can you say my kernel is broken it works perfectly on my deb box
[11:27] <Chrisrv> bob2: You know... I think I'm going to go to bed. Get up tomorrow. Go to walmart. and buy a supported modem =)
[11:27] <glick> on the same hardware
[11:27] <bob2> Chrisrv: hah
[11:27] <glick> bob2, its supported in 2.6.11-9
[11:27] <bob2> Chrisrv: at least you learnt a lot
[11:27] <glick> thats what i have runnin
[11:27] <bob2> glick: it's broken in that it doesn't work
[11:28] <bob2> glick: how do you suppose ubuntu could differ from Debian such that dns breaks only with your kernel?
[11:28] <glick> bob2, its not broken on debian
[11:28] <Chrisrv> bub2: True. and to think. all this work is just so I can get a mud-server up and running for fun. hehe
[11:28] <Chrisrv> bub2? = bob2 =)
[11:28] <bob2> Chrisrv: external serial modems will work out of the box, even with the livecd
[11:28] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: you are in fluxbox?
[11:28] <Chrisrv> bob2: Thanks
[11:28] <Chrisrv> Well I need sleep. Night all
[11:28] <glick> bob2, i dont know its a mystery, i got dns working my re doing my host file and dnsdomainame file and restarting dns
[11:29] <glick> then it worked for 10 mintues
[11:29] <glick> then it went down again
[11:29] <hunger> Hi... Just installed ubuntu-desktop. It feels rather sluggish... what am I doing wrong?
[11:29] <bob2> glick: "restarting dns"?
[11:29] <bob2> hunger: what sort of computer is it?
[11:29] <glick> the name resolution services
[11:29] <bob2> glick: there is no "name resolution services"
[11:29] <Yoshimitsu> hunger did you do your own partitioning or did you let the installer do it for you
[11:29] <Yoshimitsu> it could be that you havent allowed for enough Swap mem
[11:30] <Hajuu> thoreauputic:  not yet.. trying to get another simultanious logon to run it heh
[11:30] <Hajuu> Cause I cant be bothered logging out
[11:30] <bob2> if you don't have swap, things get randomly killed
[11:30] <glick> bob2, dns
[11:30] <bob2> it doesn't make things slow
[11:30] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: gdmflexiserver
[11:30] <bob2> glick: and how do you "restart dns"?  what command do you run?
[11:30] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: type that in a terminal
[11:30] <Yoshimitsu> roger roger
[11:31] <glick> bob2 I did it by rebooting
[11:31] <Hajuu> that returns
[11:31] <Hajuu> Gtk warning: cannot open display.
[11:31] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: hmm
[11:31] <bob2> HappyFool: that is awesome
[11:31] <bob2> thanks for pointing it out
[11:31] <jacquesmerde> which repo is sun-j2re1.5 in?
[11:31] <bob2> glick: er
[11:31] <bob2> glick: so your complaint is that you have to reboot your custom kernel every ten minutes?
[11:31] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: it's in the menu under system as "login as another user " or something
[11:31] <glick> bob2, whatever its called gnome needs a valid fqhn
[11:32] <glick> and for some reason whatever looks up your hostname in the hostfile when a the connect() system call is made
[11:32] <glick> broke
[11:32] <glick> bind
[11:32] <glick> or whatever its called
[11:32] <bob2> I can't even imagine how to compile a kernel that would do that
[11:32] <glick> anyway as a result it stopped working
[11:32] <glick> bob2, it doesnt do it on my debian machine
[11:33] <bob2> just get the ubuntu source
[11:33] <Hajuu> hmmm
[11:33] <augul> jaquesmerde: u can download tar from java and install it yourself - really easy
[11:33] <bob2> kernel source
[11:33] <Hajuu> okee dokee
[11:33] <bob2> use the ubuntu config
[11:33] <jacquesmerde> augul, tar not bin?
[11:33] <hondje> Hi.  Where is the transcode package in the repositories?
[11:33] <bob2> add whatever patch it is you say you need
[11:33] <bob2> then compile
[11:33] <bob2> hondje: it's not
[11:33] <bob2> hondje: it doesn't build on ubuntu
[11:33] <r0d> whats a good cd burning tool. mostly for .iso images?
[11:33] <hondje> oh, that sucks...so no point making my own package
[11:33] <Hajuu> Its the same deal though.. when I log in as hajuu twice.. nothing works.. I cant open anything.. nothing on my menus work etc etc
[11:33] <jacquesmerde> augul, there seem to be a million different instructions to install java on the wiki and forums...
[11:33] <bob2> r0d: nautilus.  right click on the .iso file in the file manager, click write to cd
[11:33] <Yoshimitsu> r0d try GnomeBaker
[11:34] <augul> jaquesmerde - its packed, so you gotta unpack it first and than install it
[11:34] <bob2> Hajuu: er, gnome doesn't like you logging in twice
[11:34] <bob2> Hajuu: why do you want to do that?
[11:34] <bob2> ilbahr: please turn that off
[11:34] <bob2> hondje: you could fix the package for it
[11:34] <jacquesmerde> augul, is there a page describing your method somewhere?
[11:34] <Hajuu> I was trying to have one running gnome.. one running fluxbox
[11:34] <Yoshimitsu> anyone got Mplayer running right
[11:34] <hondje> oh, then I shall carry on :)
[11:34] <bob2> Hajuu: did fluxbox start on the other one ok?
[11:34] <JohnnyRotten> how do you switch users in gnome without logging out
[11:34] <bob2> Yoshimitsu: yes
[11:34] <bob2> JohnnyRotten: application menu -> system tools -> new login
[11:35] <augul> go to www.java.com - got to jre doenload, there is a doco which tells You how to install it (step by step)
[11:35] <Yoshimitsu> bob2 i got it running on Ubuntu PPC using Mplayer-g4. however when i run it i get an error
[11:35] <Hajuu> bob2:  no.. it decided it would rather just run gnome instead for some reason :/
[11:35] <bob2> Yoshimitsu: you'd need to tell us the error...
[11:35] <bob2> Hajuu: how did you indicate to GDM that you wanted to run fluxbox?
[11:35] <jeff25> I compiled transcode on ubuntu
[11:35] <Yoshimitsu> im working on that now bob2
[11:36] <JohnnyRotten> i just want to switch to xcfe but dont want to log out
[11:36] <JohnnyRotten> thanks
[11:36] <bob2> jeff25: yes, it compiles fine
[11:36] <hondje> jeff25: ah cool, can you make a deb of that?
[11:36] <jacquesmerde> augul, thanks
[11:36] <jeff25> it was a pita
[11:36] <Hajuu> ohhh
[11:36] <Hajuu> I found it
[11:36] <bob2> jeff25: but the ubuntu source package is broken
[11:36] <Hajuu> s'ok
[11:36] <bob2> hondje: it compiles fine
[11:36] <Hajuu> dont stress
[11:36] <jeff25> bob2: yeah
[11:36] <Hajuu> all is well
[11:36] <Hajuu> hehe
[11:36] <jeff25> bob2: I compiled from tar.gz
[11:36] <bob2> hondje: the problem is just with the build-dependencies
[11:36] <hondje> oh, that's no biggie
[11:36] <Yoshimitsu> this is the error i get @ bob2. Failed to open /home/acidwolf/<
[11:36] <hondje> Need an excuse to download a bunch of libs anyways, better sooner than later
[11:36] <jeff25> hondje: just compile from tar.gz and use checkinstall
[11:36] <bob2> Yoshimitsu: I really doubt that is the entire error
[11:37] <Yoshimitsu> yeah it is
[11:37] <Logi> RifRaf: ekki g ig?
[11:37] <bob2> Yoshimitsu: then show us the command line you tried to run
[11:37] <Yoshimitsu> a littlw window pops up and gives me that error
[11:37] <Yoshimitsu> ok
[11:37] <augul> jaquesmerde: http://www.java.com/en/download/help/5000010500.xml#selfextracting
[11:37] <hondje> jeff25: did you use the stable or 1.0 beta?
[11:37] <Yoshimitsu> from the commandline i get no error when i run it
[11:37] <Logi> I just saw a story about HP offering Ubuntu in selected areas in Europe and certian models.
[11:38] <augul> jaquesmerde: hope that helps
[11:38] <jeff25> hondje: stable
[11:38] <bob2> Logi: yes
[11:38] <Logi> Does anyone know *which* areas are selected?
[11:38] <Hajuu> ok.. in fluxbox.. why is it when I open nautilus, it screws with all my settings and changes my background to the gnome ubuntu one?
[11:38] <hondje> okay, then away I shall go
[11:38] <bob2> Logi: their website doesn't mention it?
[11:38] <Logi> are these upcoming models or could I buy one now/soon if I happened to be in a selected area?
[11:38] <Yoshimitsu> however when i try to play something from either gui or commandline it freezes and then doesnt respond for ages . and i dont even get a force quit option when it goes unresponsive
[11:38] <bob2> Hajuu: because that's what nautilus does
[11:38] <Logi> bob2: hmm.. I suppose I should have checked, shouldn't I :)
[11:38] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: run nautilus --no-desktop
[11:38] <bob2> Hajuu: if you don't want it to setup the background, configure it not to (in gconf-editor)
[11:38] <Logi> bob2: I saw a news article elsewhere
[11:39] <Hajuu> will do
[11:39] <bob2> Hajuu: also, nautilus will be unhappy if you run it twice, once from gnome, once from fluxbox
[11:39] <Hajuu> yeah?
[11:39] <Hajuu> whys that?
[11:39] <grahagre> you should use xnest
[11:39] <JohnnyRotten> are there any programs to edit themes in linux like stylebuilder on windows?
[11:39] <Logi> browsing is a bit cumbersome at the moment, since my thinkpad is basically dead and launching X crashes it
[11:39] <bob2> JohnnyRotten: linux doesn't have themes, things like gnome and kde and xmms do
[11:41] <JohnnyRotten> well something that edits kde/gnome ones in the same way style builder on windows does
[11:41] <othernoob> hi, how do i uninstall gnome ?
[11:42] <Hajuu> how can I force another login to logout from this central one?
[11:42] <bob2> othernoob: why?
[11:42] <bob2> Hajuu: you can't
[11:42] <bob2> Hajuu: or you can, by switching back
[11:42] <Hajuu> I cant?? But some of the logins are screwed up and wont logout or allow me to do anything..
[11:43] <bob2> then kill them
[11:43] <Hajuu> how?
[11:43] <augul> You can kill it | run ps -eaf |grep username after that kill pid
[11:43] <othernoob> bob2: i use kubuntu, last night i installed gnome because of a prog that requires gnome, i just tested it, it's not worth it..so )
[11:43] <othernoob> ;)
[11:43] <Hajuu> cheers augul
[11:43] <bob2> othernoob: sudo apt-get --purge remove libgtk2.0
[11:43] <augul> Hajuu: no probs
[11:43] <Yoshimitsu> bob2 i get no errors when i run mplayer from the commandline however im still unable to play things with it , it crashes
[11:43] <bob2> othernoob: that will get rid of all of it, tho, so be very very very careful
[11:43] <Hajuu> uhm.. theres like... 100 things there..
[11:43] <Hajuu> which ones do I kill?
[11:44] <bob2> Hajuu: you need to be more specific before you break something
[11:44] <othernoob> bob2: but it will only get rid of all the gnome related progs which were installed last ngiht, right ?
[11:44] <bob2> Hajuu: do you want to kill an entire user?
[11:44] <Hajuu> heh yeah
[11:44] <Hajuu> no
[11:44] <bob2> othernoob: nope
[11:44] <Hajuu> just certian logins of that user
[11:44] <bob2> othernoob: if you want that, use aptitude in future
[11:44] <lifeless> bob2: I believe that is illegal ;)
[11:44] <bob2> Hajuu: yes, exactly, so you need to look at the output of augul's command very carefully
[11:44] <bob2> lifeless: not on the isle of man!
[11:45] <othernoob> bob2: what else would it delete ?
[11:45] <bob2> othernoob: anything using gtk
[11:45] <bob2> othernoob: you said you wanted to get rid of gnome, remember
[11:45] <othernoob> bob2: yea. so, since i have a standard kubuntu installation, nothing requires gtk i assume ?
[11:45] <bob2> othernoob: I don't know
[11:46] <bob2> openoffic might
[11:46] <tiglionabbit> =[ trackers down?  How am I gonna make an install-live DVD?
[11:46] <Yoshimitsu> brb im gonna go break mplayer quick
[11:46] <Hajuu> screw it.. im just going to restart
[11:46] <Hajuu> heh
[11:47] <tiglionabbit> can I get it from jigdo?
[11:47] <Yoshimitsu> isnt there anything else that plays Divx besides Mplayer
[11:47] <bob2> Yoshimitsu: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:47] <Yoshimitsu> yeah tried that and Mplayer is the only thing listed there for divx
[11:47] <tiglionabbit> you mean http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:48] <hondje> oh this is nice, all the deps are in the install page
[11:48] <othernoob> Yoshimitsu: vlc
[11:48] <Yoshimitsu> i tried vlc
[11:48] <Fator_Dee> Yoshimitsu: xine
[11:48] <Yoshimitsu> doesnt work
[11:48] <Yoshimitsu> neither does Xine
[11:48] <othernoob> Kaffeine ?
[11:48] <Yoshimitsu> not on kde
[11:49] <Fator_Dee> do you have installed the pack for codecs? it says what to install on the wiki-page
[11:49] <Yoshimitsu> yes i have them installed
[11:49] <Yoshimitsu> they were on the repo i added to sources
[11:50] <Yoshimitsu> apparently this is what i need to find libavcodec
[11:51] <augul> tried raid 1 on two different (size,make) scsi drives, raid array shows 18,2 GB (first drive 18.2 second 73.6 GB) why is that, i was hoping i will get 91.8 GB array ?
[11:52] <bob2> isn't raid-0 spanning?
[11:53] <augul> i though 0 is mirror ?
[11:53] <bob2> I don't know, you're the one using it ;)
[11:53] <JohnnyRotten> bob2, are there any programs like stylebuild to make themes for gnome or kde
[11:53] <bob2> JohnnyRotten: I don't know what stylebuild is
[11:53] <bob2> and I don't know of any gtk or qt gui thee editors
[11:56] <augul> bob2 - such stupid mistake wasted an hour of my time - of course I should have done 0
[11:56] <augul> bob2: thanks for pointing out the obvious - silly me ; (
[11:56] <bob2> augul: heh, np
[11:57] <bob2> tiglionabbit: the admnis have been notified, they'll get to it when they can
[11:57] <tiglionabbit> alright.  I hope it happens before monday
[11:58] <tiglionabbit> say, unrelated to ubuntu, can I ask about nickserv?
[11:58] <hondje> jeff25: good lord, you weren't kidding about the number of libs
[11:58] <luisje> hola nadie habla castellano aaqui?
[11:59] <tiglionabbit> it says if I put in "access" hostnames, I'll be able to login without having to use identify all the time.  But I have put in hostnames, and it still asks me to identify.  what gives?
[11:59] <bob2> this is pretty clearly not a spanish-speaking channel
[11:59] <bob2> lifeless: #ubuntu-es
[11:59] <luisje> bueno pues hasta luego. gracias
[12:00] <lifeless> bob2: ?
[12:00] <bob2> bah
[12:00] <HappyFool> tiglionabbit: not sure what client you're using, but maybe you can set it up to automatically send your nick when you connect to the server
[12:01] <HappyFool> tiglionabbit: x-chat has an option for that, and i'm sure other clients would too
[12:01] <tiglionabbit> I mainly use irssi.  I tried adding the command to it, but it..  still didn't work
[12:01] <tiglionabbit> so I tried gaim, which asks for a password with your account, but that didn't work either
[12:01] <bob2> it does work in irssi
[12:01] <cgc> Hi...
[12:01] <bob2> you need to identify everytime you connect
[12:02] <cgc> Somebody can help with a wireless configuration problem???
[12:02] <nevyn> maybe
[12:02] <nevyn> if you ask the actual question it's more likely
[12:02] <tiglionabbit> if you say so, bob, but I tried adding the command to my /ircnet list and it.. didn't change anything
[12:03] <bob2> works for me
[12:03] <tiglionabbit> so you can't get it to recognize you by the hostnames you use?
[12:03] <jeff25> hondje: yeah it's a pain
[12:03] <bob2> nope
[12:03] <bob2> I'd hope it would never do that
[12:04] <tiglionabbit> brb
[12:04] <hondje> couple aren't aptable as far as I see, but they don't seem too important to my purposes
[12:04] <jeff25> hondje: use the stable version because the untable version uses libs that are also unstable
[12:04] <jeff25> hondje: meaning that some of the libs have changed apis
[12:05] <hondje> yeah, I'm using stable...I'm a stable kinda guy :)
[12:05] <jeff25> heh
[12:05] <augul> time for me, bye everyone !
[12:09] <ABRAXAS77> somebody know channel in spanish of ubuntu?
[12:09] <HappyFool> tried #ubuntu-es ?
[12:09] <tiglionabbit> #ubuntu-es I believe
[12:09] <n3C> yes
[12:10] <Flav> si
[12:10] <ABRAXAS77> thank you
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> hmm, is there any way to get gaim to tell nickserv my password?  I get paranoid typing passwords in when people could be standing behind me
[12:11] <ABRAXAS77> tiglionabbit, use script
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> for gaim?
[12:11] <ABRAXAS77> ah,for gaim
[12:11] <johnnybezak> hey guys, i just installed vanilla warty - if i update my sources.list for hoary will it install additional packages, or just update the ones already on the system?
[12:11] <ABRAXAS77> but in gaim u can put remember the password tiglionabbit
[12:12] <hondje> oh, this just isn't fair...gtk libs, too? :(
[12:12] <JohnnyRotten> anyone know why when logging out there is a black strip across the top of the screen that looks like it has red japennese text or chinise
[12:12] <HappyFool> johnnybezak: i don't know, but i imagine you'd get a 'vanilla' hoary
[12:12] <tiglionabbit> abraxas77: I do that, but nickserv still asks
[12:12] <bob2> johnnybezak: it will install new ones as needed
[12:12] <bob2> johnnybezak: asusming you use aptitude/synaptic or apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:13] <ABRAXAS77> is impossible tiglionabbit...i use gaim,i have this option and never ask me
[12:13] <HappyFool> JohnnyRotten: just video card driver crap, i think.
[12:14] <tiglionabbit> well it does.  I don't know what to tell ya
[12:14] <tiglionabbit> I just did it now
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> I type my password into the password box, yes?  I have nothing under alias.
[12:15] <JohnnyRotten> Is there anyway to get rid of it? or am I stuck with it :)
[12:16] <tiglionabbit> johnnyrotten: That sounds weird.  I haven't seen that.  Is it in GDM?
[12:17] <johnnybezak> bob2: roger
[12:17] <JohnnyRotten> its right before the gdm when loging out
[12:17] <Simira> firefox-help? Are there any way to save sessions (or "tab-collections") in Firefix, like I can in Opera?
[12:18] <bob2> Simira: yes, there's a session-saver extension
[12:18] <bob2> Simira: tollef told me about it, actually
[12:18] <JohnnyRotten> Once the gdm shows up it looks fine.
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> simira: actually, you can save all tabs when you tell it to make a bookmark
[12:18] <Simira> bob2: he didn't tell me when i asked... *sigh*
[12:18] <bob2> hah
[12:18] <Simira> tiglionabbit: that's a stupid way to to it
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> it will save all the tabs as a folder of bookmarks, and then you can select the "open all in tabs" at the bottom of that folder
[12:19] <HappyFool> JohnnyRotten: close your eyes when it happens ;)
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> stupid?  what's better?
[12:19] <bob2> tiglionabbit: tracker is fixed
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> yay
[12:19] <abraxas> can i register my nick without go to website?
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> a session is just like a folder of bookmarks anyway.  What's different?
[12:19] <johnnybezak> my new laptop has a 4mb ati card in it, is it worth getting ati drivers?
[12:19] <JohnnyRotten> haha
[12:19] <abraxas> ah,is freenode!
[12:20] <bob2> johnnybezak: it is probably supportd (with 3d acceleration) byu the Free drivers anyway
[12:20] <johnnybezak> bob2: awesome
[12:20] <johnnybezak> bob2: do ati open their old cards
[12:20] <hondje> jeff25: Did you get liblve?
[12:20] <bob2> johnnybezak: I think it's partly that they document it and partly people eventually figure it out
[12:21] <johnnybezak> bob2: cool
[12:22] <jenskristian> Have anyone tried to install XD-skippy?
[12:22] <JohnnyRotten> 117 megs of updates on dialup :(
[12:22] <Fator_Dee> JohnnyRotten: happy downloading
[12:22] <johnnybezak> i hope that getting pppoe running is easier than last time i installed ubuntu
[12:23] <bob2> sudo pppoeconf
[12:23] <bob2> enjoy!
[12:23] <johnnybezak> yeah last time i had routing issues (i didnt know what i was doing hehe)
[12:24] <bob2> that's probably because you setup a NIC with a default route
[12:24] <bob2> and pppd said "oh, this person must know what they're doing, I won't break it"
[12:24] <johnnybezak> bob2: yeah youre right
[12:24] <johnnybezak> hope i don't do it this time
[12:24] <bob2> just disable that route and it'll work
[12:25] <tiglionabbit> darn, guess I've gotta wait for people to get on the bittorrent.  It says it'll take over a day to complete
[12:25] <bob2> it's seeded by a machine on gigabit ethernet to the internet
[12:25] <djsixto> hi
[12:25] <tiglionabbit> dude, if I run a graphical application using screen, and then log out of xserver, will it continue to run?
[12:26] <johnnybezak> bob2: yeah thats what i did last time
[12:26] <bob2> tiglionabbit: no
[12:26] <bob2> tiglionabbit: use bittornado
[12:26] <djsixto> holas
[12:26] <JohnnyRotten> Does anyone know if a Microsoft usb wifi adapter will working in linux? I am guessing the answer is no but just checking
[12:26] <tiglionabbit> don't use the gnome bittorrent client installed by default?
[12:26] <djsixto> holas
[12:26] <djsixto> comoestan
[12:27] <jenskristian> A NETWM or GNOME WM Specs compliant window-manager.    Is ubuntus window manager this?
[12:27] <vulcanoo> bonjour  tous
[12:27] <HappyFool> tiglionabbit: isn't it under applications -> internet -> gnome bittorrent ?
[12:27] <HappyFool> tiglionabbit: i don't *think* i installed it deliberately
[12:27] <bob2> tiglionabbit: not if you wnaant to run it in screen
[12:27] <tiglionabbit> what?  There were funky characters in that, bob2
[12:27] <pluffsy> hi
[12:27] <bob2> johnnybezak: yes, metacity is
[12:28] <bob2> tiglionabbit: if you want to run a bittorent client in screen, don't use the default one
[12:28] <pluffsy> sorry if this is dumb, but I can't find it. what is the password for the root on the ubuntu livecd? I tried to su and just type enter as password, didn't work.
[12:28] <bob2> use bittornado's btdownloadcurses
[12:28] <johnnybezak> bob2: sorry
[12:28] <tiglionabbit> *gets bittornado ncurses from synaptic
[12:29] <tiglionabbit> will bittornado run faster than gnome bittorrent, just like it runs faster than the usual bittorrent client?
[12:29] <HappyFool> pluffsy: try 'sudo -i' with no password ?
[12:29] <r0d> whats a good gui interface for iptables in gnome?
[12:29] <bob2> jenskristian: yes, metacity is
[12:29] <Fator_Dee> r0d: firestarter
[12:29] <pluffsy> HappyFool: Oh, didn't know you could do that. Thanks :)
[12:30] <HappyFool> pluffsy: neither did i for the live cd ;) but i know su doesn't work in normal ubuntu
[12:32] <tiglionabbit> uhh, installed the bittornado client, but, how do I call it?  I can't find a command
[12:32] <Zaratustra> somebody can install gcc 4 in ubuntu?
[12:32] <Hajuu> How can I completely remove something I installed using apt-get ?
[12:32] <tiglionabbit> apt-get remove
[12:32] <Aegir> Ding
[12:32] <tiglionabbit> or does that leave configuration?
[12:32] <Zaratustra> ubuntu will kill me
[12:32] <lifeless> that leaves config
[12:33] <lifeless> Zaratustra: gcc 4 is in universe for hoary
[12:33] <Hajuu> how do I remove EVERYTHING then?
[12:33] <lifeless> Zaratustra: sudo aptitude install gcc4
[12:33] <wezzer> rm -rf /
[12:33] <Zaratustra> lifeless, what is sudo?
[12:33] <tiglionabbit> sudo is super do
[12:33] <Hajuu> weazle_:  : what.. and track down each and every dir? :/
[12:33] <lifeless> Zaratustra: a command that gets root privileges for one action
[12:33] <Hajuu> sudo is Super User Do
[12:34] <Zaratustra> im root lifeless
[12:34] <tiglionabbit> don't be root
[12:34] <Hajuu> well you shouldnt be
[12:34] <Hajuu> heh
[12:34] <johnnybezak> in ubuntu you don't use root
[12:34] <olly-bh> Hajuu: apt-get remove --purge
[12:34] <Zaratustra> why?
[12:34] <johnnybezak> you use sudo
[12:34] <Zaratustra> aaaaahhhhhhhhh
[12:34] <johnnybezak> read the faq
[12:34] <Zaratustra> now i understand
[12:34] <tiglionabbit> because people can hax0r j00
[12:34] <Hajuu> heh
[12:34] <johnnybezak> so instead of su - / command
[12:35] <lifeless> Hajuu: dpkg -P package
[12:35] <johnnybezak> just sudo commandname
[12:35] <Zaratustra> so te command is "sudo make"?
[12:35] <lifeless> Zaratustra: you should not build software as root
[12:35] <lifeless> Zaratustra: so you should only use sudo to do an adminstrative task
[12:35] <pluffsy> I have another problem if anyone has time. I can't get vlc to function from the livecd. It plays a small bit of video, then stops, etc, etc. and the sound doesn't work (in vlc).
[12:35] <pluffsy> I'm running the Ubuntu Live CD PPC
[12:36] <Zaratustra> lifeless, but still i have the error
[12:36] <Hajuu> Yeah my sound in VLC doesn't work either
[12:37] <Zaratustra> abraxas@ABRAXAS:~/Desktop/gcc-4.0.0$ sudo make
[12:37] <Zaratustra> Configuring in fastjar
[12:37] <Zaratustra> configure: loading cache ./config.cache
[12:37] <Zaratustra> configure: error: `CFLAGS' has changed since the previous run:
[12:37] <Zaratustra> configure:   former value:  -g -O2
[12:37] <Zaratustra> configure:   current value: -g -O2
[12:37] <Zaratustra> configure: error: changes in the environment can compromise the build
[12:37] <Zaratustra> configure: error: run `make distclean' and/or `rm ./config.cache' and start over
[12:37] <Zaratustra> make: *** [configure-fastjar]  Error 1
[12:37] <tiglionabbit> don't paste here..
[12:37] <Zaratustra> sorry
[12:39] <Zaratustra> those errors are normal?
[12:39] <Zaratustra> i did full installation
[12:39] <johnnybezak> anyone here know a good acpi guide?
[12:41] <hayden> how do i change the computer name of an ubuntu machine?
[12:41] <Seveas> hayden, edit /etc/hostname and restart
[12:41] <Seveas> hayden, edit /etc/hosts to
[12:41] <Seveas> too*
[12:41] <hayden> ok thanks
[12:42] <hayden> how do i check the computer name?
[12:42] <ompaul> hostname
[12:42] <hayden> thanks omalley ;)
[12:42] <ompaul> 'sudo hostname newname' also works
[12:43] <Fator_Dee> Stick of Sudo +2
[12:44] <ompaul> hostname - show or set the system's host name
[12:44] <Hajuu> whats the command to restart apache2?
[12:44] <tiglionabbit> oh no, ubuntu left.  Now how can we have a channel about him?
[12:44] <hayden> 'sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart'
[12:45] <zubuntu> hi :)
[12:45] <ompaul> lo :)
[12:46] <Hajuu> how can I make a new alias to run the restart command?
[12:46] <zubuntu> how are you doing?
[12:47] <ompaul> we are all doing ubuntu :)
[12:47] <tiglionabbit> hajuu: alias thing="the command to make it restart"
[12:47] <tiglionabbit> assuming you're in bash
[12:47] <jenskristian> Argh... installed skippy, but it does show the wrong text over the windows :S
[12:47] <Hajuu> bash: alias: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart: not found
[12:48] <Hajuu> root@ubuntu:/etc/apache2 # alias apache2-restart= "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart"
[12:48] <Hajuu> Thats the line I run
[12:48] <tiglionabbit> no spaces
[12:48] <Hajuu> whoops
[12:48] <jenskristian> hm, try a restart
[12:48] <Hajuu> nice
[12:48] <Hajuu> thanks
[12:48] <tiglionabbit> you're welcome
[12:49] <rickard> how can I tell the mixer to record only from the microphone and not record "what u hear" ?
[12:50] <johnnybezak> what do i type to update the distro/?
[12:51] <tiglionabbit> jonnybezak: You mean upgrade from warty to hoary, or to just upgrade all packages?
[12:51] <HappyFool> i think there's a wiki page on upgrading from warty to hoary
[12:55] <HappyFool> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[12:56] <christos> hello
[12:56] <tiglionabbit> wow, so you can upgrade your distro just by saying apt-get upgrade?
[12:56] <tiglionabbit> oh, dist-upgrade
[12:57] <christos> i just installed hoary on a sony vaio and i have problems with volume
[12:57] <christos> it's too low
[12:57] <m4lc0m> Hi all, Can anyone help me about setting up a VPN connection with PPTP? I've tried with some internet searchs but now i'm in a static point! If you are so kind the problem is on ubuntuforum (is too long to explain here) -->  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=37901   Thanks in advance
[12:57] <goo> Hello. Anyone knows where I can get the synce-gnome-vfs package ?
[12:57] <tiglionabbit> christos: how can volume be slow?  You mean the application that handles volume?
[12:57] <liable> christos: alsamixer
[12:57] <goo> It's very hard to find.. :/
[12:58] <tiglionabbit> I don't get it
[12:58] <Fator_Dee> tiglionabbit: low, not slow
[12:58] <competenCe> can anyone help me with this error when im compiling, http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=6218
[12:58] <tiglionabbit> oh cripes, I must be tired...
[12:58] <tiglionabbit> so sorry
[12:58] <Fator_Dee> :-)
[12:59] <thoreauputic> competenCe: umm... visual basic? This is a linux channel...
[12:59] <herpes> competenCe, you are asking for help on something that doesnt compile on a windows platform....
[01:00] <competenCe> ...
[01:00] <christos> alsamixer improved the headphone level - i just noticed i hear nothing from speakers
[01:00] <herpes> competenCe, no one cares about windows
[01:00] <m4lc0m> :)
[01:00] <podge> competenCe : Do you mean Visual C++?
[01:00] <competenCe> ...
[01:00] <competenCe> yes podge
[01:00] <thoreauputic> competenCe: I think you are... a bit off-topic here
[01:00] <tiglionabbit> visual basic c++, that's funny
[01:00] <competenCe> i use both fedora and windows
[01:01] <liable> hahaha
[01:01] <tito> lol
[01:01] <liable> competenCe: go away please
[01:01] <m4lc0m> Yes but here the topic is Ubuntu help
[01:01] <HappyFool> maybe ask in #c or #c++ ;-)
[01:01] <christos> alsamixer improved the headphone level - i just noticed i hear nothing from speakers
[01:01] <m4lc0m> try to type /j #visualc++ or something similar
[01:01] <tiglionabbit> we can't debug your code if we can't see your code anyway.  The errors are on line numbers
[01:02] <liable> christos: nothing at all from the speakers?
[01:02] <m4lc0m> Hi all, Can anyone help me about setting up a VPN connection with PPTP? I've tried with some internet searchs but now i'm in a static point! If you are so kind the problem is on ubuntuforum (is too long to explain here) -->  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=37901   Thanks in advance
[01:02] <christos> nothing at all
[01:03] <HappyFool> what is pptp? (excuse my ignorance)
[01:03] <podge> competenCe : You are missing some includes.. check this link.. http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/mib/mib/mib_icmp_ex.asp
[01:03] <m4lc0m> HappyFool: is a tool for using VPN under linux
[01:03] <herpes> HappyFool, point to point tunneling protocol
[01:03] <HappyFool> ah-ha
[01:03] <zubuntu> winsuck32.dll
[01:03] <thoreauputic> podge: don't encourage him, please: he should ask in the appropriate place
[01:04] <liable> christos: does lsmod show a pcspkr module loaded?
[01:04] <tiglionabbit> w3schools says PPTP is Point to Point Tunneling Protocol
[01:04] <podge> thoreauputic : no worries..
[01:05] <podge> thoreauputic : Not even an attempt to convert to Linux? Just tell him to rack off?
[01:05] <thoreauputic> podge: no, don't tell him to rack off - just that he should ask windows questions in windows forums
[01:06] <Fator_Dee> maybe he should go to #windows :-<
[01:06] <podge> Who here is using X-Chat?
[01:06] <novaflare> me
[01:06] <christos> i run lsmod and i don't see pcspkr - the headphones are low compares to win
[01:06] <HappyFool> podge: me
[01:07] <goo> gah. So many old Gnome VFS modules does not work in 2.10 anymore.. why the f*** couldn't they just retain som esort of backwards compability :(
[01:07] <podge> I want to be able to click on a name in the main window and have it come up in my message bar..
[01:07] <m4lc0m> christos: try to doubleclick on the volume icon in the system tray, may be then you can set the PCM volume
[01:07] <liable> christos: sudo modprobe -l |grep pc*
[01:08] <podge> I am finding it difficult to type "thoreauputic" over and over.. *grin*
[01:08] <zubuntu> well got go, just passed by to tell you good morning :)
[01:08] <thoreauputic> podge: type thor <tab>
[01:08] <podge> thoreauputic : NICE!!
[01:08] <m4lc0m> so? nobdy know nothing about net and VPN under linux?
[01:08] <thoreauputic> podge: :)
[01:08] <herpes> i know this is off topic, but does anyone know what happend to the tetris clone extension for firefox, its not listed under entertaiment any more
[01:08] <zubuntu> zubuntu@zubuntu: make -all love
[01:09] <HappyFool> m4lc0m: try again later
[01:09] <podge> thoreauputic : Feels like bash now..
[01:09] <zubuntu> zubuntu@zubuntu: cd /irc/ubuntu ls alive.*
[01:10] <christos> i get many lines maybe you're looking for that : /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/input/misc/pcspkr.ko
[01:10] <HappyFool> herpes: i know this is not an answer ;) but searching for 'tetris' in synaptic gives me about 20 hits. Maybe you can find a suitable substitute there.
[01:10] <liable> christos: yah, modprobe it
[01:11] <zubuntu> modprobe -life -ubuntu
[01:11] <herpes> HappyFool, true, have you tried barstard tetris?
[01:11] <Hajuu> anyone here set up apache2?
[01:12] <HappyFool> herpes: heh. no. just read the description.
[01:12] <herpes> HappyFool, its fun :)
[01:12] <zubuntu> ./set mode -shut_this_f**ing_mouth off
[01:12] <christos> i get pcspkr.ko not found
[01:12] <podge> tetris for firefox? Is it called blockfall? http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=12803
[01:12] <liable> zubuntu: anyhing actually worthwile saying?
[01:12] <HappyFool> herpes: whenever i play tetris i get the feeling that's happening *anyway*
[01:12] <zubuntu> actually -no
[01:13] <zubuntu> and i'm feeling ashamed
[01:13] <liable> christos: sudo modprobe pcspkr
[01:13] <zubuntu> ./make zubuntu happy -now
[01:13] <christos> same
[01:14] <podge> The link to Tetris is broken.. :(
[01:14] <HappyFool> Hajuu: i have done some very simple apache2 setups
[01:14] <zubuntu> zubuntu@ubuntu: logout
[01:14] <liable> christos: what sound card?
[01:14] <tiglionabbit> grr, I can't get kde to open links in firefox instead of konqueror
[01:14] <zubuntu> have a nice day folks and sorry i was a little bit sad... don't know why :(
[01:15] <Hajuu> HappyFool:  wtf is the deal with this sites-available/ and sites-enabled/ stuff?
[01:15] <tiglionabbit> I set firefox as my default browser, and I even associated html and xml files with firefox
[01:15] <HappyFool> Hajuu: if i recall correctly, the first (-available) is a list of mods which are available for use
[01:15] <tiglionabbit> perhaps I have to close gaim first..
[01:15] <HappyFool> Hajuu: and the other (-enabled) consists of symbolic links to stuff in -available which you actually want to run
[01:16] <HappyFool> Hajuu: i don't have apache2 installed here; i'm working from memory
[01:16] <zubuntu> bye.
[01:16] <podge> But here is the working link.. http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/blockfall
[01:16] <Hajuu> I have my -available set up ok
[01:16] <Slackware77> somebody use gnome?
[01:16] <hondje> jeff25: You still around?
[01:16] <Hajuu> but I dont understand what to put in -enabled
[01:17] <podge> slackware : Running dropline gnome on slackware 10.1 here..
[01:17] <HappyFool> Hajuu: didn't the install create symlinks in there ?
[01:17] <hondje> freerock gnome > *
[01:17] <Slackware77> podge, do u know how to install icons?
[01:17] <liable> christos: paste the command and output
[01:17] <Hajuu> HappyFool:  Yeah.. it created the default ones...
[01:18] <liable> christos: do you have speakers? :)
[01:18] <Hajuu> but I changed the -available/default file and it screwed up
[01:18] <christos> it 's a laptop it has built in speakers
[01:18] <HappyFool> Hajuu: erk
[01:18] <christos> what command?
[01:18] <liable> christos: the modprobe one
[01:18] <HappyFool> Hajuu: ok, sorry, not really sure about that
[01:18] <Hajuu> heh s'ok
[01:18] <Hajuu> ill get there
[01:18] <Slackware77> so?
[01:19] <christos> chris@christos:/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/input/misc$ ls
[01:19] <christos> pcspkr.ko  uinput.ko
[01:19] <christos> chris@christos:/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/input/misc$ sudo modprobe pcspkr.ko
[01:19] <christos> FATAL: Module pcspkr.ko not found.
[01:19] <Seveas> modprobe pcspkr
[01:19] <christos> ok
[01:19] <Slackware77> somebody know install icons in gnome?
[01:19] <Seveas> Slackware77, art.gnome.org/faq.php
[01:19] <christos> i m coming back in ten
[01:19] <podge> Slackware77, Checking.. hang 5..
[01:20] <thoreauputic> Slackware77: dump them in ~/.icons or use the theme manager
[01:20] <Slackware77> thank u theD3viL
[01:20] <Slackware77> thank u thoreauputic
[01:21] <tiglionabbit> thank the devil, hallelujah!  (irssi user?)
[01:21] <Hajuu>  * Forcing reload of web server  (Apache2)...                            [fail] 
[01:21] <liable> @help
[01:21] <Hajuu> I like how descriptive that is
[01:21] <Hajuu> really
[01:21] <Hajuu> so helpful
[01:21] <Hajuu> hehe
[01:21] <HappyFool> Hajuu: look in the apache logs
[01:21] <HappyFool> Hajuu: oh, i was going to say ask in #apache
[01:22] <Hajuu> nobody seems to be around in #apache
[01:22] <HappyFool> Hajuu: regarding the mysteries you were inquiring after earlier
[01:22] <HappyFool> ah
[01:23] <Hajuu> haha
[01:23] <Hajuu> idea failed
[01:24] <novaflare> brb
[01:24] <johnnybezak> hey guys what do i type to do a full distro upgrade from wartyto hoary (my sources.list is updated)
[01:24] <phanter> hello, I get this error: [CGIREG]  (10523) cgi reply not valid .What can I do about this?
[01:24] <podge> Slackware77, apparently you can also update the gtkrc for the theme you want to add icons to..
[01:24] <hondje> anyone here ever build transcode?
[01:24] <admx> apt-get uprade
[01:25] <HappyFool> johnnybezak: read this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[01:25] <johnnybezak> thnx happy fool
[01:25] <admx> apt-get upgrade
[01:26] <phanter> admx, johnnybezak, actually it is sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:26] <admx> thz
[01:26] <liable> phanter: after sudo apt-get update
[01:27] <Slackware77> which is the default terminal of ubuntu?,gnome terminal?
[01:27] <phanter> liable, i know but johnyboy just told that he updates his listings
[01:27] <hondje> Slackware77: yes
[01:27] <Slackware77> hodgman,  can i make it transparent like aterm or xterm?
[01:27] <we2by> any one knows how to open a .ple file?
[01:27] <Slackware77> hondje, sorry
[01:27] <thoreauputic> slackd00d: yes
[01:27] <hondje> Yes, but you can't get crazy like with eterm :)
[01:27] <thoreauputic> oops
[01:28] <phanter> he, i do not have any experience with CGI. I want to help in the THINK project (finding a good drug), but when doing ./fadsetup it returns: [CGIREG]  (10523) cgi reply not valid
[01:28] <phanter> what is that
[01:28] <hondje> anyone know what ubuntu calls libz?
[01:28] <christos> i m back
[01:28] <christos> i modprobed the pcspkr
[01:29] <thoreauputic> hondje: zlib ?
[01:29] <hondje> hey :D
[01:29] <lonewolff> afternoon all
[01:29] <hondje> thanks thoreauputic
[01:29] <thoreauputic> np
[01:34] <HappyFool> off to see ROTS! *light-sabre noise*
[01:34] <audiovoodoo> anybody having trouble adding the key for the marillat repository?
[01:35] <liable> audiovoodoo: times out?
[01:35] <audiovoodoo> just hangs..
[01:36] <audiovoodoo> I followed the instructions on the quick start guide
[01:36] <liable> audiovoodoo: I have had that previously, maybe the keyserver is down
[01:36] <audiovoodoo> could be...
[01:36] <liable> audiovoodoo: try tommorrow
[01:36] <audiovoodoo> pain if it is I want to get Azures running
[01:37] <audiovoodoo> maybe time to read up on how to use rpm's...
[01:38] <maxy_noob> Ubuntu doesn't seem to have installed my printer. How do I go about checking?
[01:39] <danko123456> System>Admin>Printing.
[01:39] <AvvY> where does Azureus install to in Ubutnu when u install via apt-get?
[01:39] <Ubuntian> i'm using pan: using 1 giga of ram ! :-/
[01:39] <danko123456> Hey, which programs can you use for streaming audio?
[01:40] <maxy_noob> hahahaha ... duh! What a noob!
[01:40] <danko123456> well, you would have found it yuourself.
[01:40] <maxy_noob> I looked in that menu list but didn't see it.
[01:40] <maxy_noob> What a moron!
[01:40] <danko123456> haha:) its ok:)
[01:41] <audiovoodoo> LOL.. easier than u think to do
[01:41] <danko123456> AvvY: locate azureus?
[01:41] <AvvY> dankol123456: huh?
[01:41] <AvvY> dankol123456: i have done searches for it, but it doesnt find the directory
[01:42] <AvvY> dankol123456: it only finds one file, but that isnt it
[01:42] <danko123456> in bin, hey?
[01:42] <danko123456> usr/bin...
[01:42] <AvvY> ill have a look
[01:42] <maxy_noob> Can someone tell me how I can get gaim to logon at startup?
[01:42] <danko123456> no, no, I mean, that is where the file is...
[01:43] <danko123456> maxy_noob: System>Prefs>Session>Startup? tab...
[01:43] <AvvY> na, its the applications menu entre xml file
[01:43] <bigfoot> using GAIM, is there a way to search for users (meet new people)?
[01:43] <maxy_noob> danko123456, thanks
[01:43] <danko123456> bigfoot: gaim uses several protocols. I dont know if any of them support that option...
[01:43] <danko123456> welcom.
[01:44] <AvvY> dankol123456: im running version 2.3.0.0, and the latest is 2.3.0.2, but it wont upgrade auto, so im trying to do it manually
[01:44] <danko123456> you can check out their website to learn more about the protocols,. they have a section on that...  gaim.sourceforge.net
[01:44] <audiovoodoo> you can always go on MSN.. read the profiles and then add them as contacts
[01:44] <danko123456> AvvY: your issue seems trivial, wy even uipgrade?
[01:44] <audiovoodoo> not linked together like in messenger but it works
[01:44] <AvvY> dankol123456: coz it keeps pestering me to!
[01:45] <danko123456> ah...:)
[01:45] <maxy_noob> danko123456, what would be the startup command for gaim?
[01:45] <danko123456> gaim
[01:45] <danko123456> stupid programs like that.:) I hate that...like, there is a .2 new version, must get new version:)
[01:45] <maxy_noob> that's it?
[01:45] <danko123456> yup.
[01:45] <maxy_noob> hahahahahaha
[01:45] <danko123456> try it in a terminal.
[01:45] <ompaul> danko123456, is that your final word on that :)
[01:46] <bigfoot> i'm getting wierd symbols (). how can i decipher it?
[01:46] <danko123456> ompaul: on what??
[01:46] <christos_13> its me again - i modprobed pcspkr.ko and still nothing
[01:46] <ompaul> danko123456, on doing stuff in a terminal - pun final word :)
[01:46] <AvvY> dankol123456: yeah i know, the stupid part is, that it should do it auto, but it keeps messing up
[01:46] <danko123456> bigfoot: where are you getting them?
[01:46] <Seveas> bigfoot, set your locale to a UTF-8 one :)
[01:46] <audiovoodoo> bigfoot: it might be people sending you winks and thinks that GAIM can not handle
[01:46] <danko123456> oh, ompaul, the try it in a terminal was for maxy.
[01:46] <bigfoot> i'm communicating to someone who is not speaking english.
[01:47] <bigfoot> supposing it's not winks, how can i decipher the non-english text?
[01:47] <danko123456> AvvY: so doing it with apt-get doesnt do it?
[01:47] <AvvY> dankol123456: nope, it hasnt been added yet
[01:47] <ompaul> danko123456, okay
[01:48] <Slackware77> when i want install one program and i do make i receive errors...somebody have this problem in ubuntu?
[01:48] <AvvY> what errors?
[01:48] <christos_13> when i lsmod i get pcspkr on the list but it is used by 0
[01:48] <Slackware77> main.c:2244: warning: `setup_signal_handler' defined but not used
[01:48] <Slackware77> make[1] : *** [main.o]  Error 1
[01:48] <Slackware77> for example
[01:48] <novaflare> gona go out on a lim and guess your missing some libraies
[01:48] <Slackware77> but a lot of lines
[01:48] <novaflare> or not lol
[01:49] <danko123456> Slackware77: I would paste the whole error to pastebin.com, and post the URL.
[01:49] <bigfoot> i think that if i get some fonts, then my problem of seeing stuff like  will be gone.
[01:49] <podge> Slackware77, don't worry about the warnings.. they won't stop the compile from working..
[01:49] <bigfoot> but, how do i know which font i need?
[01:49] <Slackware77> podge,but says error 1
[01:49] <danko123456> bigfoot: check out what seveas said up there.
[01:49] <Slackware77> and in slacware never i receive those errores
[01:49] <podge> Slackware77, Do what danko said..
[01:50] <bigfoot> how do i change locales?
[01:50] <danko123456> hey, does anyone have an idea why streaming audio would not work
[01:50] <danko123456> Ive tried several programs.
[01:50] <AvvY> streaming from where?
[01:50] <danko123456> some guys site.
[01:50] <danko123456> xmms, music player, totem movie player.
[01:51] <AvvY> are u sure its on ur end?
[01:51] <Daylighthater> Question: where are the kernel sources of ubuntu
[01:51] <Daylighthater> ??
[01:51] <danko123456> I am not, no.
[01:51] <AvvY> post the url, ill check it
[01:51] <Raskall> Daylighthater: in apt
[01:51] <Shuddertrix> danko123456: I'm able to listen to streams from bmp and xmms, so it might be his end
[01:51] <Daylighthater> I want to install a bootsplash
[01:51] <Shuddertrix> in, i mean
[01:51] <danko123456> thank you: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/xenonproject_music.htm . one of those, any pretty much, you can try Only way to fly ...
[01:51] <Slackware77> podge,  danko123456  ,http://pastebin.com/291637
[01:52] <Daylighthater> Raskall: Are you sure??
[01:52] <bigfoot> Seveas, how do i change locales?
[01:52] <Daylighthater> those are the apt-sources... but the kernel sources??
[01:52] <kent> Shuddertrix, cant you use realplayer? Its not free (sadly) but it works great for me.
[01:52] <Shuddertrix> kent: I'm not the one with the problem, and I do use realplayer on occasion.
[01:52] <Daylighthater> the website www.bootsplash.org says it has to be in /user/src/linux
[01:53] <Daylighthater> but it isn't there
[01:53] <Slackware77> podge,  danko123456  ,http://pastebin.com/291637
[01:53] <liable> Daylighthater: install it
[01:53] <Raskall> Daylighthater: package linux-source-2.6.10
[01:53] <danko123456> Slackware77: dunno myself, to me it always looks like the person that wrote the code didnt do a great job by the errors...
[01:53] <liable> Daylighthater: then cd /usr/src
[01:53] <kent> Shuddertrix, ok, sorry. I stumbled over your comment and id looked like you had problems, sorry :)
[01:53] <Daylighthater> ok
[01:53] <Raskall> Daylighthater: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 and unpack it from /usr/src
[01:53] <liable> Daylighthater: then ln -a /usr/src/blah linux
[01:53] <Slackware77> danko123456,  but i have the same gkrellm in my slackware and works good
[01:53] <Daylighthater> sorry, I'm a real noob at this :d
[01:54] <bigfoot> danko123456, how do i change locales?
[01:54] <Slackware77> and with a lot of programs i want install i receive errors now
[01:54] <liable> s/-a/-s
[01:54] <danko123456> kent, thanks, but no:)
[01:54] <Shuddertrix> danko123456: I get an Internal Server Error 500. It is soundclick's end
[01:54] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[01:54] <danko123456> ah, thanks, same here.
[01:54] <danko123456> I would not use realplayer in linux...I would go into windows and use it, if I had to use that program...:)
[01:54] <Shuddertrix> danko123456: To see if it might be your end, go to shoutcast's site and pick out a stream..
[01:55] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, thanks. is there no GUI way of doing it?
[01:55] <danko123456> I will, thanks.
[01:55] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I don't know
[01:55] <Shuddertrix> I'd plug one but i'm not awake yet..
[01:55] <danko123456> Slackware77: I am not really knowledgeable with make and what not...just a few things from everyday usage...:)
[01:55] <liable> hah
[01:56] <danko123456> It is on my end:(
[01:56] <danko123456> thoreauputic: which program does one use to stream audio??
[01:56] <danko123456> ah, maybe I know what it is..
[01:56] <danko123456> just a sec.
[01:56] <bigfoot> Seveas, "en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8" _is_ currently selected.
[01:56] <danko123456> please, just a sec, I know you want me to be here all the time, but just a sec...
[01:56] <danko123456> :-p
[01:57] <thoreauputic> danko123456: to listen? beep-media-player, rhythmbox, xmms, amarok... lots of them
[01:57] <danko123456> lsof /dev/what?? for sound...
[01:57] <podge> Slackware77, What OS are you compiling under?
[01:58] <Slackware77> podge, ubuntu
[01:58] <podge> Slackware77, 5.04?
[01:59] <Slackware77> ys
[01:59] <Slackware77> yes
[01:59] <podge> Shuddertrix, What about muine?
[01:59] <danko123456> I have all those installed...
[01:59] <danko123456> not that one, tho..
[01:59] <Shuddertrix> podge: Never heard of it, let me grab it.
[01:59] <thoreauputic> lsof /dev/dsp ?
[01:59] <Slackware77> I think there is problem and the computer have problem with c language
[01:59] <podge> Shuddertrix, It gets the album covers off amazon etc..
[02:00] <danko123456> thanks,.
[02:00] <danko123456> I hate linux:)
[02:00] <danko123456> too much stress, and frustration:)
[02:00] <Slackware77> im starting to hate ubuntu
[02:00] <danko123456> :)
[02:00] <podge> Slackware77, Isn't gkrellm available via Synaptics?
[02:00] <thoreauputic> of course it is
[02:00] <timeless> does anyone here have a current ubuntu live cd and time to test to see if something crashes?
[02:01] <Shuddertrix> Slackware77: There is gkrellm in apt and a ton of modules too
[02:01] <thoreauputic> enable universe and sudo apt-get install gkrellm
[02:01] <Slackware77> how Shuddertrix  apt-get gkrellm?
[02:01] <Shuddertrix> well, actually about 15 modules, but probably the 15 good ones :P
[02:01] <Slackware77> what is universe?
[02:01] <Shuddertrix> sudo apt-get install gkrellm
[02:02] <Slackware77> E: Couldn't find package gkrellm
[02:02] <danko123456> the reason you got that message...
[02:02] <thoreauputic> Slackware77: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:02] <pluffsy> is it possible to create users which require no password? I'm switching my parents over to linux (their idea!) and in windows xp they have different users (so they have unique settings) but windows doesn't ask for a password on login.
[02:03] <danko123456> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToAccessTheUniverseRepository as well.
[02:03] <hondje> That's really a very bad idea. If they actually WANT to use linux, then they're probably willing to accept passwd
[02:03] <danko123456> pluffsy: I dont even think there is such an option.
[02:03] <Slackware77> synaptic dont include gkrellm,i have full installation and i havent gkrellm
[02:03] <m4lc0m> does anyone knows if under linux the laptop embedded smart card reader are usable?
[02:03] <danko123456> Slackware77: try the URL from above.
[02:04] <pluffsy> hondje: why is it? I can see it's good to have a password on the network, but why local passwords? they don't have anything really important and it's only them who use the computer.
[02:04] <thoreauputic> Slackware77: you sources are wrong
[02:04] <danko123456> m4lc0m: try it...:)
[02:04] <Shuddertrix> Slackware77: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:04] <m4lc0m> :)
[02:04] <m4lc0m> yes how?
[02:04] <danko123456> pluffsy: I donjt think it is possible.
[02:04] <timeless> could someone drag me through using bug buddy?
[02:04] <danko123456> adduser wont even allow you to set the password to "password"
[02:04] <rixth> Is hardware support available for the "VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA VT6420 SATA RAID Controller (rev 80)" RAID chip? (Onboard, my chipset is a KT600)
[02:04] <Shuddertrix> Ubuntu takes an hour or two of time to get it set up, but it's well worth it in my opinion :D
[02:04] <timeless> sudo passwd victim
[02:05] <novaflare> took 45 minutes give or take on my comp
[02:05] <danko123456> m4lc0m: what I mean is...try using the card reader..
[02:05] <pluffsy> danko123456: damn...
[02:05] <novaflare> realy its about the same as windows xp install time wise
[02:05] <bigfoot> hi can someone help me install some non-english fonts into my computer?
[02:05] <danko123456> pluffsy: I think they should be fine, it is not that hard, they can have a post it with the passwords...
[02:05] <Shuddertrix> rixth: I have no conflicts with it, so I think the module it loaded for it (I have the same RAID chip, too)
[02:06] <m4lc0m> danko123456: i've tried but nothing happens, it's normal i've nerver hoped that they are native supported and plug and play... (for a while i hoped...)
[02:06] <rixth> Shuddertrix, so your using it for RAID? 0 or 1
[02:06] <Slackware77> i did abraxas@ABRAXAS:~$ echo deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./ sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:06] <Slackware77> deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./ sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:06] <Slackware77> abraxas@ABRAXAS:~$ echo deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./ sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:06] <Slackware77> deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs etc...
[02:06] <Slackware77> sorry
[02:06] <thoreauputic> pluffsy: http://ubuntuguide.org/#automaticlogingnome
[02:06] <podge> pluffsy, http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/archives/linux-il/05-2004/10149.html
[02:06] <Slackware77> :( sorry!
[02:07] <Shuddertrix> rixth: I used it for raid0 once before
[02:07] <Shuddertrix> Can't use it now, hardware problems
[02:07] <danko123456> thoreauputic: nice... Slackware77, I think you are on the wrong path. AM i wrong?
[02:07] <Shuddertrix> err, hard drive problems
[02:07] <Slackware77> i dont understand danko123456
[02:07] <danko123456> I think you want to do a sudo gedit/nano/... /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:08] <Slackware77> shit,this continue with errors
[02:08] <rixth> Shuddertrix, okay, good to know, thanks.
[02:08] <Shuddertrix> At that time, i was triplebooting slackware/windows XP/freebsd
[02:08] <danko123456> then, edit that file, uncomment the universe, there is comments on how to do it in the file.
[02:08] <Slackware77> all people have the same problem with ubuntu?
[02:08] <danko123456> Slackware77: please edit that file, and enable universe.
[02:08] <danko123456>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:09] <podge> pluffsy, I think that is what you want.. it's not autologin stuff.. it simply lets a user (who you put in a file) to login without a password..
[02:09] <Slackware77> which file danko123456 ?
[02:09] <Slackware77> ok
[02:09] <Shuddertrix> danko123456: What about multiverse? ;)
[02:09] <danko123456> nice, good stuff.
[02:09] <danko123456> well, he can make his sources into nickruds, I would do it...
[02:09] <Slackware77> danko123456,  i uncomment the 2 lines?
[02:10] <danko123456> yes, something along those lines.
[02:10] <thoreauputic> Slackware77: for heaven's sake - just read what it says in the file
[02:10] <danko123456> hey, if you wanted to know why I was getting the error while streaming audio...it was cause I had killed esd at some [point so I can get an OSS aopp to worl.
[02:10] <Shuddertrix> Slackware77: once that is saved, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gkrellm
[02:10] <danko123456> yeah^
[02:11] <danko123456> Its not really playing now, netiher, but, I dont get errors, and the program is pretending it is playing music, so...
[02:12] <pluffsy> podge: great. thanks :)
[02:12] <thoreauputic> danko123456: try changing the output plugin to esd in xmms or beep
[02:12] <danko123456> cramp:)
[02:12] <podge> pluffsy, Does it work?
[02:13] <we2by> any one installed webmin before?
[02:13] <we2by> I ahve problem logging into it
[02:13] <danko123456> nah, its working, that site might actually be down...
[02:13] <danko123456> shoutcast works now...
[02:13] <danko123456> thanks, tho.:)
[02:14] <thoreauputic> In Soviet Russia, RPMs alienate *you*
[02:14] <thoreauputic> sorry, /. ref
[02:15] <Shuddertrix> Sigh. I must be the only one getting tired of that.
[02:15] <toresbe> you are :P
[02:15] <toresbe> In Soviet Russia, bad jokes tire of YOU!
[02:15] <danko123456> of what?
[02:15] <danko123456> :)
[02:15] <Shuddertrix> toresbe: It might be because everything I say always usually gets twisted like that.
[02:17] <munki> what apt-source can I get firefox 1.0.4 ?
[02:17] <theD3viL> munki, why you need firefox 1.0.4 ?
[02:18] <munki> theD3vil , that is not the question .
[02:18] <toresbe> munki: just tell us why
[02:18] <theD3viL> yes :)
[02:18] <Fator_Dee> well, you could get it from debians repositories, but that is not recommended
[02:18] <pluffsy> podge: haven't tried yet. but it looks right...
[02:18] <munki> because I wan't the newest ver.
[02:19] <munki> off cause .
[02:19] <podge> pluffsy, Google is our friend.. :)
[02:19] <Fator_Dee> munki: get it from firefox's site and make it a .deb
[02:19] <danko123456> munki, no...
[02:19] <Shuddertrix> munki: with just a bit of configuring of about:config, ubuntu's so-called 1.0.2 is really 1.0.4. Just look at the about screen.. ;)
[02:19] <danko123456> well, maybe.
[02:19] <munki> Fator_Dee , thanks for an answer I can use .
[02:20] <pluffsy> btw is it possible to start from a ubuntu livecd and have the users on a editable media like a usb key?
[02:20] <pluffsy> or my ipod
[02:20] <Shuddertrix> Besides, it's saying that I have a ubuntu package of 1.0.4. Which is odd, but whatever works..
[02:20] <munki> Shuddertrix , the about screen calls it 1.0.2 .
[02:20] <danko123456> about:config , then vendorSub, and change the entry to 1.0.4 and that works for teh extensions siet, if that is what you are after.
[02:20] <Fator_Dee> munki: it's really a 1.0.2 with the newest security updates
[02:20] <sebastian> I don't get sound when I play .avi movies in totem or VLC  can anyone help?
[02:20] <munki> Fator_Dee , oh okay . wierd :) I will get it from Mozilla Website, and make a deb . :)
[02:21] <Scorpinf> need help: i have set DMA on the cdrom but still only get 2.5X on 8X dvdr media in k3b, whats the problem?
[02:21] <pluffsy> why is totem usually the default media player on linux when vlc and mplayer seems to be sooo much better?
[02:21] <thoreauputic> munki: the date on mine is 25 May - i think you can assume that's up to date
[02:21] <danko123456> munki: I dunno, maybe you can try what I said, if you are after the extensions.
[02:21] <Shuddertrix> I have 1.0.4~5.04ubp1+1.0.2-0ubuntu1
[02:21] <danko123456> munki: there is a reason why they asked why you need it.
[02:21] <Shuddertrix> That's my ubuntu version..
[02:21] <podge> sebastian, Check your mixer levels.. Are they all okay?
[02:21] <Shuddertrix> I did, however, preform an upgrade before doing anything.
[02:21] <danko123456> pluffsy: in Ubuntu, it is because it is a gnu program./
[02:22] <munki> dankol123456 , uhm . people could just answer me :) that's easy . I am going to update my Firefox, so it's the real 1.0.4 .
[02:22] <Hajuu> I typed "apt-get remove apache2 --purge" but it only removed 81kb of data that seemed non-crucial to apache2 running.. and I was trying to COMPLETELY remove it.. So I then did a "rm -r '/etc/apache2/'" and then did another "apt-get install apache2" but it didn't install that directory again...
[02:22] <sebastian> humm? how do I do that?
[02:22] <Hajuu> whats goin on?
[02:22] <pluffsy> danko123456: oooh. I thought vlc was gpl:ed. silly me.
[02:22] <podge> sebastian, Right click on your volume control and Open Volume Control.
[02:23] <danko123456> munki, the thing is that, if you just need it for teh extensions, you can do what I said, and, I dont even kno if getting the file from their site will work, good luck!:)
[02:23] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: it assumed you knew wtf you were doing - hence it didn't overwrite your changes
[02:23] <danko123456> pluffsy: maybe it is...but it is not gnu...
[02:23] <danko123456> maybe, who knows, that is why  would think it is so.
[02:23] <Hajuu> heh that was it's first mistake :P
[02:24] <sebastian> still no sound
[02:24] <Slackware77> how can I move files (a lot of files) to other directory?
[02:24] <podge> sebastian, Are all the levels at 100%..?
[02:24] <danko123456> mv
[02:24] <Hajuu> Well its ubuntu's fault for deciding that they wanted to completely change the apache2 configuration in the apt-get package to some abstract system they've setup...
[02:24] <Slackware77> yes danko123456  but for much files?
[02:24] <danko123456> sure/..
[02:24] <podge> sebastian, Do you sound when you login to Ubuntu?
[02:24] <pluffsy> danko123456: it was gpl:ed. why should it be gnu and why is not gpl fine? I mean firefox isn't gnu neither.
[02:24] <danko123456> I mean, tell me exactly, Ill tell you the exact command.
[02:24] <Slackware77> mv /..?
[02:24] <sebastian> yes, I have sound in the os but not when I try to play movies
[02:24] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: AFAIK it's a pretty standard apache2 setup
[02:24] <Slackware77> i want to move 50 files to other directory
[02:24] <Fator_Dee> Slackware77: mv "whattomove" "wheretomove"
[02:25] <danko123456> I wouldnt personally use that, I would make epiphany the default browser.
[02:25] <Hajuu> Not compared to any one i've ever setup before.
[02:25] <Fator_Dee> Slackware77: man mv
[02:25] <danko123456> pluffsy: I have no relation to Ubuntu, other than using it..
[02:25] <bpuccio> pluffsy: as far as I can tell, it is indeed GPL'd https://trac.videolan.org/vlc/file/trunk/COPYING
[02:25] <munki> dankol123456 , I have just installed it from the website .
[02:25] <danko123456> Slackware77: are they the only files?
[02:25] <danko123456> munki, good stuff:)
[02:25] <Slackware77> what?
[02:25] <podge> sebastian, So MP3 etc works?
[02:25] <danko123456> Slackware77: can you use nautilus, and drag and drop/cut and paste?
[02:26] <Slackware77> danko,u r right
[02:26] <Hajuu> See.. What shits me right off.. Is I do my "apt-get remove apache2 --purge" BUT IT DOESNT REMOVE ANYTHING AT ALL
[02:26] <danko123456> dpkg --purge apache2
[02:26] <Hajuu> Straight afterwards I can restart the apache2 server like nothing ever happened
[02:26] <sebastian> podge: well I haven't tried mp3 yet, I just installed ubuntu for the first time yesterday =)
[02:26] <Slackware77> danko123456,  no because the files are in hided folder
[02:26] <danko123456> sebastian: your post is misleading then.
[02:27] <danko123456> you can view>show hidden files.
[02:27] <Hajuu> dpkg says apache2 isnt installed.. but apt-get recognises it :/
[02:27] <danko123456> Hajuu: not sure, I use apache1.
[02:27] <sebastian> what do you meen?
[02:27] <podge> sebastian, Can you listen to CDs? Give it a go..
[02:27] <Hajuu> Yeah I want to take apache2 off so I can put apache1 on heh
[02:27] <sebastian> ok, one sec
[02:27] <danko123456> sebastian: I mean yopu said that playing avis dont work for sound...which kinda sounds like other file types do work...
[02:28] <danko123456> whereas you really meant that sound dont work at all.
[02:28] <sebastian> aha, ok
[02:28] <podge> danko123456 : Yep.. :)
[02:28] <sebastian> CDs work
[02:29] <danko123456> :) well, anyhow, I love how the Linux books always cover that topic on how to ask questions.
[02:29] <danko123456> sebastian, what program again?
[02:29] <danko123456> for movies?
[02:29] <we2by> how do I force apt-get to reinstall a software completely?
[02:29] <danko123456> VLC?
[02:29] <podge> sebastian, Totem has a volume control.. Is that at 100%
[02:29] <sebastian> VLC and Totem
[02:29] <sebastian> yes it is
[02:30] <we2by> how do I force apt-get to reinstall a software completely?
[02:30] <danko123456> we2by: I would first look into synaptic b4 asking that.
[02:30] <danko123456> but, I am not sure.
[02:30] <sebastian> could it be that I dont have the right codecs or something like that?
[02:30] <thoreauputic> we2by: sudo apt-get remove --purge <package> && sudo apt-get install <package>
[02:30] <yonil> Bhaa: I'm trying to open firefox in default and it says i cant since its already open. but its not open X_X
[02:30] <danko123456> perhaps, what did you install so far?
[02:30] <Hajuu> so.. how am I going to get apache2 uninstalled now?
[02:30] <danko123456> yonil: had that happen b4, create a new profile.
[02:31] <danko123456> isnt it uninstalled now?
[02:31] <Fator_Dee> yonil: you don't have to create a new profile
[02:31] <Hajuu> no.
[02:31] <sebastian> nothing really
[02:31] <yonil> Fator_Dee, what then?
[02:31] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: have you tried just installing apache1 ?
[02:31] <Fator_Dee> yonil: delete ~/.mozilla/firefox/default.*/lock
[02:31] <Hajuu> thoreauputic:  but apache2 will be taking port 80
[02:31] <danko123456> sebastian: check this out then: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats .
[02:31] <podge> sebastian, maybe.. Do you have a mp3 lying around.. ? Try playing mp3 on totem..
[02:32] <yonil> Fator_Dee, will that delete any of my stuff ? (bookmarks, cookies etc.)
[02:32] <Hajuu> And I can't stop the service because when I try.. it complains about missing files.
[02:32] <danko123456> thoreauputic: yeah, wehn you install apache1 if apache 2 is already there, it remvoes it.
[02:32] <Fator_Dee> yonil: no, just delete that "lock" file in that directory
[02:32] <podge> sebastian, or an ogg or wav...
[02:32] <Hajuu> danko123456:  really!
[02:32] <Hajuu> Wow
[02:32] <yonil> Fator_Dee, ok sec
[02:32] <danko123456> I think so..
[02:32] <Hajuu> I will have to try this
[02:32] <thoreauputic> danko123456: that was my theory too
[02:32] <sebastian> ok, off to find mp3s
[02:32] <danko123456> ya, I kno...it does that with ftpds...
[02:33] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: I would think apache1 would conflict with apache2, thus apt would remove "2"
[02:33] <danko123456> podge, well, if he never installed any codecs, tehy cant m,agically b there.
[02:33] <Hajuu> hrm
[02:33] <Slackware77> if I have in folder 50 files .tar.gz ,can I extract all in one step?
[02:33] <Hajuu> I dont think it will be able to though
[02:33] <Hajuu> because apache2 is running
[02:33] <Hajuu> I think thats why it failed to remove it before..
[02:33] <podge> danko123456, Does ubuntu play mp3 out of the box?
[02:33] <danko123456> well, using a regex you could.
[02:33] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: assuming of course you use apt to install it and don't play silly buggers with the packaging system ;)
[02:33] <Hajuu> Cause I forgot to shut it down before removing it
[02:33] <danko123456> podge, no, I dont think so.
[02:34] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: it shouldn't matter
[02:34] <danko123456> Slackware77: I dont kno, try tar xzvf *
[02:34] <danko123456> or something.
[02:34] <danko123456> like that.
[02:34] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: it would shut it down anyway
[02:34] <danko123456> that should do them.
[02:34] <podge> danko123456, okay.. so an ogg would be better..
[02:34] <Hajuu> well then it doesnt work propperly heh
[02:34] <Hajuu> cause I ran the remove command fine
[02:35] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: well, it would shut it down when it started apache 1, I assume
[02:35] <danko123456> podge, well, sound does play, so setting up the codecs was what I recomended:) recommended, sounds like I know what I am talking about...
[02:35] <Slackware77> no danko123456
[02:35] <Hajuu> just started apache2
[02:35] <Hajuu> err
[02:35] <Hajuu> apache1
[02:35] <Hajuu> no good
[02:35] <Hajuu> apache2 still running.. still functioning
[02:35] <sebastian> podge: mp3s also work
[02:35] <danko123456> wow, nice:)
[02:35] <danko123456> you have to have installed some codecs, then.
[02:35] <Scorpinf> need help: i have set DMA on the cdrom but still only get 2.5X on 8X dvdr media in k3b, whats the problem?
[02:36] <danko123456> Slackware77: I dont know, you need to be more specific. paste some ls command outputs onto pastebin
[02:36] <Fator_Dee> Scorpinf: did you tell k3b in somewhere to burn it at a greater speed?
[02:36] <Hajuu> ooh I know what to do
[02:36] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: you've stuffed up apt/dpkg with your directory removal, I guess: try apt-get -f install without any packages and see if it heals itself
[02:36] <Hajuu> If I restart..
[02:36] <Fator_Dee> Scorpinf: options, preferences?
[02:36] <podge> sebastian, Download the rest of the codecs by following the instructions that dankoposted earlier..
[02:36] <sebastian> well, maybe, I downloaded totem-xine from synaptic
[02:36] <Hajuu> ok
[02:36] <herpes> Scorpinf, maybe the media can only be burnt at 2.5 speed
[02:36] <sebastian> ok, will do, thanks alot
[02:36] <danko123456> welcome:)_
[02:36] <Hajuu> heh nah that didnt work
[02:37] <Hajuu> but if I restart.. apache2 should fail to start, just as it fails to stop
[02:37] <Fator_Dee> Scorpinf: or your dvd-drive can't burn at those speeds
[02:37] <podge> sebastian, Sound is working.. So you are halfway there..
[02:37] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: worth a try I guess
[02:37] <Hajuu> be back
[02:37] <danko123456> some files dont have sound anyhow:)
[02:38] <danko123456> Im sick:(
[02:38] <danko123456> feel sorry for me...
[02:38] <danko123456> :)
[02:38] <podge> danko123456, Got a bug?
[02:38] <danko123456> I got a cold, end of May...
[02:39] <danko123456> high fever, too, I think.
[02:39] <danko123456> I should buy a thermometer/whateveritscalled.
[02:39] <danko123456> thank you, whats OP?
[02:39] <thoreauputic> over proof :)
[02:39] <danko123456> I have some rum here. Should  I drink that, 'that good for colds?
[02:39] <danko123456> well..:)
[02:39] <thoreauputic> explosive alcohol in other words ;)
[02:40] <podge> danko123456, Shouldn't you be in bed?
[02:40] <Fator_Dee> danko123456: don't drink too much though :-)
[02:40] <danko123456> I guess, maybe I should, it is bad for the fever...tghe screen is...I have a laptop, I could do that in bed...
[02:40] <Scorpinf> Fator_Dee, my dvddriva can burn at 16x on dvdr, the media is 8x
[02:40] <danko123456> Im not a bed type person:)
[02:41] <Hajuu> well that more or less worked
[02:41] <podge> hajuu : I see you are on westnet.. where are you based?
[02:41] <Hajuu> WA
[02:41] <Hajuu> and yourself?
[02:41] <Fator_Dee> Scorpinf: then, did you specify k3b to burn your dvd at a greater speed than 2.5X?
[02:42] <podge> Hajuu, Swiftdsl in Geelong/VIC..
[02:42] <Scorpinf> speed is auto, or is there another option to consider?
[02:42] <liwen> 
[02:42] <borner> hello
[02:42] <linukso> Hi! I wonder if ubuntu overwrites /ets/hosts on boot? I tried adding some hosts to it, but after I rebooted it was gone.
[02:42] <Fator_Dee> Scorpinf: you can tell it a speed in which to burn somewhere, I'm not sure though where that option could be
[02:42] <borner> does any one experiencing errors in backports.ubuntuforums.org ?\
[02:43] <thoreauputic> linukso: no , of course not
[02:43] <Fator_Dee> Scorpinf: just browse through configurations, options, etc
[02:43] <borner> anyone ?
[02:43] <Fator_Dee> Scorpinf: I think that's the reason
[02:43] <danko123456> liwen: 
[02:43] <thoreauputic> linukso: are you sure you saved to the right file?
[02:43] <danko123456> lol
[02:43] <linukso> thoreauputic: yes :
[02:43] <danko123456> borner: what errors?
[02:44] <borner> Could not connect to backports.ubuntuforums.org:80 (66.246.118.209). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[02:44] <danko123456> open it in a browser.
[02:44] <liwen> hi
[02:44] <danko123456> hey.
[02:44] <borner> danko can you check it at your end ?
[02:44] <linukso> thoreauputic: I'll just add it again, hope it sticks this time...
[02:44] <difficult> Hi all, how do I change my default application for videos from totem to something else?
[02:44] <thoreauputic> linukso: I have a hosts file here with hundreds of entries, and it stays on renoot
[02:44] <thoreauputic> *reboot
[02:44] <danko123456> ya, its donw, borner.
[02:45] <liwen> i use linux just the first one week
[02:45] <borner> damn
[02:45] <liwen> week
[02:45] <borner> right when i need it @work
[02:45] <borner> blah
[02:45] <danko123456> difficult: right click on the file you are opening, properties, then open with.
[02:45] <Hajuu> "whereis apache2" apache2:
[02:45] <Scorpinf> hmm how do i set dma on hdc
[02:45] <Hajuu> Clean
[02:45] <Hajuu> hehe
[02:45] <danko123456> liwen, I have been using it since around october last year...
[02:45] <thoreauputic> difficult: right click a file in nautilus, choose properties, open with > and check your new default
[02:45] <podge> liwen, Check the file before you reboot.. to make sure you saves the file out correctly..
[02:45] <Fator_Dee> Scorpinf: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[02:46] <Scorpinf> ok tnx
[02:46] <danko123456> podge: you got it mixed up, is that for linukso?
[02:46] <Scorpinf> just saw that my dvd device was called hdc in k3b
[02:46] <thoreauputic> danko123456: oops didn't see yours , sorry :)
[02:46] <difficult> I can't see anywhere for the check for default
[02:46] <podge> danko123456, apologies..
[02:46] <liwen> danko123456: hi so well
[02:46] <danko123456> you guys are all apologizing, you are lucky Im not there....
[02:46] <danko123456> :)
[02:46] <tiglionabbit> I want to make a live/install ubuntu dvd.  Will k3b be able to do it?
[02:47] <danko123456> I guess Ill forgive you guys...
[02:47] <tiglionabbit> or what software do you recommend?
[02:47] <thoreauputic> difficult: properties, open with, add
[02:47] <borner> THERE ARE MIRRORS !
[02:47] <borner> :P
[02:47] <podge> danko123456, I'm watching the Open Solaris User Group video in the background..
[02:47] <liwen> danko123456:i meet so much question
[02:47] <Hajuu> tiglionabbit:  Why not download one?
[02:47] <Shuddertrix> tiglionabbit: I've had DVD's burn correctly in k3b, so it should work ;)
[02:47] <tiglionabbit> burn from iso though
[02:47] <Shuddertrix> Yes
[02:47] <danko123456> liwen: I meet questions too, do you have one we could answer perhaps?
[02:48] <tiglionabbit> because it just has a "New Data DVD" button, and a Format DVD button, but all the rest say CD
[02:48] <Fator_Dee> borner: you have a disturbing nick, I misread it :-|
[02:48] <liwen> danko123456:i just come here for help,thanks
[02:48] <liwen> thanks
[02:48] <podge> Anyone here running Sun Rays on Ubuntu?
[02:48] <difficult> thanks for the help with that one
[02:49] <borner> hehe
[02:49] <borner> its not my nick
[02:49] <borner> its the domain comapny
[02:49] <borner> company's domain
[02:49] <borner> *
[02:49] <difficult> does anyone know why when I use mplayer I can't use full screen properly
[02:49] <Fator_Dee> borner: even worse then
[02:49] <difficult> it is just a box in the middle of the screen
[02:49] <borner> btw why when i try to apt-get i get : sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[02:49] <borner> java -version
[02:49] <difficult> and the outside is black
[02:49] <tiglionabbit> oh, there is a burn dvd iso image option in the menus.  I see
[02:49] <borner> err
[02:49] <borner> sec
[02:49] <borner> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[02:49] <lonewolff> difficult: change the output to xv in the options
[02:49] <danko123456> borner: I have a clue, cause your graphics card does not play with it nicely.
[02:50] <borner> what should i do to make them authenticated.
[02:50] <danko123456> no, not borner, difficult,.
[02:50] <liwen> when i use root login .sound ok. when use another user no sound?
[02:50] <liwen> why?
[02:50] <Aurax> k
[02:50] <Aurax> better?
[02:50] <Aurax> ;)
[02:50] <lonewolff> liwen: maybee permissions on sound device?
[02:51] <Shuddertrix> tiglionabbit: Tools > DVD > Burn DVD ISO Image...
[02:51] <thoreauputic> liwen: check that the user is in the audio group
[02:51] <liwen> errr?
[02:51] <Aurax> so what is the reason apt-get asks for autherntication
[02:51] <Slackware77> I decided unistall ubuntu
[02:51] <Slackware77> :(
[02:51] <Aurax> its never did
[02:51] <tiglionabbit> liwen: Add the user to the audio group?
[02:51] <lonewolff> Slackware777: why?
[02:51] <lonewolff> Slackware777: having problems?
[02:51] <Slackware77> is difficult for me lonewolff
[02:51] <liwen> ok thx .i do it now
[02:51] <Slackware77> i preffer slackware
[02:52] <lonewolff> Slackware777: if you take some time at it it will become natural tho
[02:52] <Shuddertrix> Slackware77: Too scared to configure linux?
[02:52] <Aurax> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[02:52] <Aurax>   sun-j2re1.5
[02:52] <Aurax> why is this happening
[02:52] <Slackware77> Shuddertrix, i cant install programs normally
[02:52] <Shuddertrix> Sorry, to me it just seems you didn't give ubuntu a chance.
[02:52] <podge> Slackware77, Ubuntu is easy compared to Slackware..
[02:52] <herpes> isnt slackware a pain to configure?
[02:52] <Kpjas> Hi I've got some problems with synaptic
[02:52] <Slackware77> no,Slackware havent problems
[02:52] <yonil> Fator_Dee, dont know if you saw my last question, i got disconnected ..
[02:52] <thoreauputic> Aurax: because you lack the gpg key for taht repository
[02:52] <thoreauputic> *that
[02:53] <tiglionabbit> slackware77: what didn't you like about ubuntu?
[02:53] <Aurax> how can i get it ?
[02:53] <lonewolff> Slackware777: why cant you install programs, its very simple
[02:53] <Shuddertrix> Slackware77: Here, you can take baby steps into apt, download and install slapt-get ;)
[02:53] <Slackware77> tiglionabbit, i cant install programs...i dont know why,
[02:53] <Kpjas> while updating (synaptic) I got several warnings and errors
[02:53] <Aurax> ok
[02:53] <Aurax> installing
[02:53] <Aurax> \gees
[02:53] <Slackware77> Shuddertrix, i like compile,because with apt-get there are things i cant get
[02:53] <podge> swaret isn't too bad on Slackware..
[02:53] <yonil> Fator_Dee, nvm i got it working, thanks
[02:53] <tiglionabbit> slackware: Try running synaptic, selecting a package, and hitting Apply
[02:53] <danko123456> Kpjas: your sources are likely weird.
[02:54] <Shuddertrix> Slackware77: All you needed to do was add the universe and multiverse and run apt-get install gkrellm.
[02:54] <Slackware77> tiglionabbit, just i want install with make
[02:54] <Kpjas> danko123456: why do you say that ?
[02:54] <Slackware77> Shuddertrix, i have gkrellm now
[02:54] <danko123456> Kpjas: cause you got errors.
[02:54] <Shuddertrix> Slackware77: Ok, live with your slackware then..
[02:54] <danko123456> kpjas, you know about the sources.list file?
[02:54] <Shuddertrix> Slackware77: This is #ubuntu, not #slackware.
[02:54] <Slackware77> but for example,i want put plugins,and i cant install one pplugin...
[02:54] <tiglionabbit> install with make?  You mean you want to compile your programs.  Okay
[02:54] <thoreauputic> Slackware77: if you prefer slackware then use it :) No one minds...
[02:55] <Shuddertrix> Which reminds me, I should be in there too :P
[02:55] <danko123456> Kpjas: cat /etc/apt/sources.list, and paste that to pastebin.com, please.
[02:55] <Fator_Dee> yonil: no I didn't see it
[02:55] <tiglionabbit> here in debian land we use apt
[02:55] <Slackware77> but thank u for ur help today
[02:55] <Kpjas> danko123456: OK
[02:55] <Slackware77> good luck
[02:55] <Fator_Dee> yonil: but you got the file deleted?
[02:55] <yonil> Fator_Dee, yeah it works now ;)
[02:55] <danko123456> debian landL:)
[02:55] <yonil> Fator_Dee, should i report that as a bug in bugzilla or something?
[02:56] <Fator_Dee> yonil: I think that's not a bug
[02:56] <yonil> Fackamato, how come?
[02:56] <yonil> Fator_Dee*
[02:56] <Fator_Dee> yonil: well, I'm not sure :-)
[02:56] <yonil> ok, thanks anywayz
[02:56] <tiglionabbit> heh, it's funny.  Have you seen the poll on the tux magazine site for "Which distro is good for newbies" ?  They're all debian!
[02:56] <Fator_Dee> np
[02:56] <Kpjas> danko123456: http://pastebin.com/291646
[02:57] <sebastian> danko12345 & podge: THANKS ALOT! it worked!
[02:57] <we2by> How do I add use quoate support?
[02:57] <danko123456> sebastian: the page with codecs worked?
[02:57] <sebastian> yes
[02:57] <danko123456> excellent.
[02:57] <danko123456> :)
[02:57] <podge> sebastian: danko123456 did all of the hard work..!! :)
[02:57] <danko123456> Kpjas: yeah, you have all these weird repos there.
[02:57] <danko123456> haha, I posted a link.
[02:58] <danko123456> kpjas, do you need any particular repos there?
[02:58] <sebastian> thats why I typed his name first ; )
[02:58] <podge> sebastian, So what CD did you use to test your audio?
[02:58] <danko123456> I posted a link:) anyhow, Kpjas, would you like to make your sources.list into what will work, and is the recommended one, or at least should be recommended...
[02:59] <sebastian> podge: Tiamat  - Judas Christ
[02:59] <tiglionabbit> Judas?
[02:59] <Kpjas> danko123456: OK thnx what do U think about advice in http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories ?
[02:59] <sebastian> yes
[03:00] <danko123456> Kpjas: many think its crap, its ok, I think, but it is kinda half ass, in that it doesnt tell you what it means to have all those enabled.
[03:00] <stein> are there any updates for hoary (5.04) ?
[03:00] <danko123456> Kpjas: this is the one that will work, for sure: http://pastebin.com/291647 .
[03:00] <podge> sebastian, Cool.. What about Metallica? :)
[03:00] <we2by> how do I install named?
[03:00] <danko123456> you need to: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list  and make the file look like that pastebin.
[03:00] <tiglionabbit> well that entire guide is like that.  It just tells you to do things, without explaining what they really are
[03:01] <novaflare> your talking about bind we2by im guessing
[03:01] <sebastian> podge: oh yea, got all of their albums exept for the latest one
[03:01] <tiglionabbit> danko: Why don't you just instruct them to run synaptic and check all the boxes in repositories?
[03:01] <danko123456> tiglionabbit: yeah, its ok tho, if you know what you are doing, and props to jiyuu0 for making it.
[03:01] <novaflare> open synaptic and edit search bind
[03:01] <danko123456> tiglionabbit: I dont know how to do it.
[03:01] <danko123456> :) plus its a gui way, I like cli.
[03:02] <tiglionabbit> well gui is easier for noobs
[03:02] <Kpjas> danko123456: thnx g2g
[03:02] <danko123456> Likely, please go ahead and tell me how to do it that way,
[03:02] <danko123456> k, kpjas.
[03:03] <danko123456> tiglionabbit: gui is prone to mistakes:) I like cli:) but, please tell me how to check those you said.
[03:03] <novaflare> tiglionabbit, i dont know some times its easyer to tell some one to do start run cmd and a command than to tell them to go through the gui on windows same for linux
[03:03] <tiglionabbit> Run synaptic, select settings->Repositories.  Click settings, and check "Show Disabled Repositories".  Now you can see all of them.  Check all the boxes, and hit okay.  It will uncomment all the repositories, and update apt itself
[03:03] <danko123456> for me that only reloads.
[03:04] <danko123456> as soon as I hit repos.
[03:04] <danko123456> And dont let me do anythuing.
[03:04] <tiglionabbit> it just reloads?
[03:04] <tiglionabbit> it should open a window
[03:04] <danko123456> yup
[03:04] <danko123456> it does for a sec, and I have seen the window b4..
[03:04] <thoreauputic> danko123456: you probably don't have any disabled repos :)
[03:04] <frank> goodafternoon frfrom the netherlands
[03:04] <podge> Talk later people..
[03:04] <tiglionabbit> um, it's settings->repositories, on the top menu there...
[03:05] <tiglionabbit> not the Reload button
[03:05] <danko123456> :))
[03:05] <danko123456> funny.
[03:05] <danko123456> hi, frank.
[03:05] <frank> hi danko
[03:05] <frank> testing ubuntus right now
[03:05] <tiglionabbit> h'lo liwen.  Did that work for you?
[03:05] <liwen> yes.go great
[03:05] <danko123456> tiglionabbit: well, I know that much...Im telling you, GUI is prone to errors.
[03:05] <liwen> so great
[03:05] <johnnybe1ak> hi guys
[03:05] <danko123456> nice.
[03:05] <danko123456> hi.
[03:07] <PhotonX> quick question, if you guys dont mind. what package management does ubuntu have?
[03:07] <danko123456> I poured boiling tea into a glass...and the glass just cracked:) I am such a newb...
[03:07] <danko123456> I mind, sorry.
[03:07] <danko123456> apt-get
[03:07] <PhotonX> ohh yeah
[03:07] <PhotonX> debian based
[03:08] <danko123456> yup.
[03:08] <PhotonX> forgot, thanks!
[03:08] <tiglionabbit> photonX: it uses debian's apt-get, but includes various frontends
[03:08] <liwen> danko123456.i installed  the gstreamer .but still cant open some avi
[03:08] <danko123456> welcome
[03:08] <danko123456> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats is the best I can do, liwen.
[03:08] <johnnybe1ak> anyone know a good low ram using alternative to firefox
[03:08] <we2by> How do I add use quoate support?
[03:08] <liwen> ok
[03:08] <PhotonX> anyone have ubuntu on a 500mhz machine?
[03:09] <cyber23> hi
[03:09] <cablefish> i have on a 100mhz
[03:09] <tiglionabbit> photonx: a friend of mine is attempting to install it on his 233mhz machine..   but hasn't succeeded yet
[03:09] <cablefish> i have on a 1000mhz*
[03:09] <thoreauputic> we2by: do you mean "quota" ?
[03:09] <PhotonX> oh haha
[03:09] <cyber23> does anyone know if you can install windows media player in ubuntu with cedega
[03:09] <PhotonX> i have a spare 500mhz, 128ram machine sitting, thats why i was considering ubuntu
[03:09] <danko123456> PhotonX: well, I used it on a 500-ish machine.
[03:09] <tiglionabbit> cyber23: why not just install win32codecs?
[03:09] <PhotonX> i tried archlinux but it was such a pain in the ass
[03:09] <danko123456> not veryu fast, remove gnome.
[03:09] <danko123456> use a minimal wm.
[03:10] <PhotonX> danko, i think im gonna keep it minimal
[03:10] <PhotonX> yeah
[03:10] <Hajuu> how do I restart apache1?
[03:10] <PhotonX> 200 megs till i install ubuntu :] 
[03:10] <PhotonX> i hope im not let down
[03:10] <danko123456> apache restart, or httpd restart
[03:10] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: apachectl I think
[03:10] <danko123456> as sudo, maybe
[03:10] <ompaul> cyber23, you can consider trying wine as long as you have a licence for wmp but to be honest there are so many players for ubuntu and linux in general that using a none native app seems to be a step backwards
[03:10] <cablefish> damn theres  a lot of questions flying around
[03:11] <cablefish> i got one too
[03:11] <johnnybe1ak> PhotonX: i just installed ubuntu (warty) on my new 500 mhz compaq armada
[03:11] <cyber23> ok
[03:11] <ompaul> cablefish, why did you say that ? :)
[03:11] <Hajuu> hmm.. for some reason its giving me a forbidden error
[03:11] <tiglionabbit> ask us, cabelfish
[03:11] <johnnybe1ak> whilst its not snappy, its running fine
[03:11] <Hajuu> "I dont have permission"
[03:11] <johnnybe1ak> i just need more ram
[03:11] <cyber23> how do I install the win32codec
[03:11] <cablefish> how can i play mp3 files
[03:11] <danko123456> Man, I am listening to some stream...lame...
[03:11] <tiglionabbit> cyber: search synaptic for it
[03:11] <cablefish> with gnome?
[03:11] <johnnybe1ak> cablefish: you need to install the mp3 libarayies
[03:11] <danko123456> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats cablefish.
[03:11] <cablefish> thanks guys
[03:11] <johnnybe1ak> np
[03:12] <danko123456> cyber23: link for you too^
[03:13] <liwen> arz
[03:13] <cyber23> thanks
[03:13] <danko123456> welcome:)
[03:14] <danko123456> bitchx is only cli? right?
[03:14] <liwen> my realplayer 10 dont  work. just 5 min ago it is normal used
[03:14] <tiglionabbit> what is cli?
[03:14] <danko123456> command line interface.
[03:14] <tiglionabbit> oh
[03:14] <Hajuu> yeah
[03:15] <danko123456> k.
[03:15] <tiglionabbit> heh I always called that textmode
[03:15] <liwen> realplay -k?
[03:15] <adam_> helllo all
[03:15] <adam_> who can help me?
[03:15] <cablefish> I remember when i first encountered CLI on my old amige
[03:15] <danko123456> textUI, yes.
[03:15] <tiglionabbit> depends on the question, adam_
[03:15] <cablefish> *amiga
[03:15] <adam_> the subject is the animation
[03:15] <adam_> for my site
[03:15] <tiglionabbit> what format?
[03:16] <adam_> (sorry i'm french so my english...)
[03:16] <PhotonX> if its flash, i can help
[03:16] <adam_> i want to do one
[03:16] <tiglionabbit> is there a french ubuntu channel?
[03:16] <adam_> i want to do an anim
[03:16] <danko123456> yeah. ubuntu-fr
[03:16] <danko123456> I think
[03:16] <adam_> yes there one but....
[03:16] <we2by> How do I add use quoate support?
[03:16] <adam_> ?
[03:16] <tiglionabbit> adam_: I believe the gimp can do animated gifs if you install the animation package for it
[03:16] <adam_> really?
[03:17] <reka> hmm, i seem to have broken my system when i upgraded to the latest binutils package.
[03:17] <reka> i now get this error when compiling programs:
[03:17] <tiglionabbit> Yes.  It can also export mpeg.  It has quite a few animation options
[03:17] <danko123456> thats me in bitchx, dabaSlon
[03:17] <reka> /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/../../../crt1.o: file not recognized: File format not recognized
[03:17] <reka> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[03:17] <reka> make: *** [threshold]  Error 1
[03:17] <we2by> you can't install mysql through apt-get?
[03:17] <danko123456> you can, yes.
[03:17] <adam_> ??
[03:17] <adam_> and for me, just Gimp?
[03:18] <PhotonX> ubuntus burnin :D
[03:18] <Echelon-H> hi
[03:18] <PhotonX> wishmeluck guys
[03:18] <ompaul> any program worth its salt will be available with apt-get
[03:18] <Hajuu> http://pastebin.com/291656 -- Theres my httpd.conf ... Anyone tell me why connections from me to myself are "forbidden" to "/" ?
[03:18] <ompaul> some really new bleeding edge stuff might not have made it there but such is life
[03:18] <tiglionabbit> good luck, photonx
[03:18] <reka> anyone else experience this problem?
[03:18] <Echelon-H> Breezy is the new very of ubuntu I guess?
[03:19] <cablefish> can i get xmms player working in ubuntu gnome?
[03:19] <tiglionabbit> ompaul: anything worth its salt that has been available for 3 years you mean
[03:19] <reka> cablefish: yep.  i'd check out beep-media-player though.  it's cleaner
[03:19] <reka> Echelon-H: correct
[03:19] <liwen> some difficulty for me
[03:19] <cert> hei people curios anyone know how to convert mpeg files to avi or rm ??
[03:19] <cert> in linux platform
[03:19] <cablefish> beep media player... i'll check it out
[03:19] <cert> what software am i looking for?
[03:20] <danko123> good luck.
[03:20] <PhotonX> mencoder probably?
[03:20] <PhotonX> comes with mplayer i think
[03:20] <ompaul> tiglionabbit, still newer than XP but then let me see ubuntu is how old ;-)
[03:20] <liwen> linux is some difficulty for me.
[03:20] <Echelon-H> is there anyway I can communicate with my ntfs partition through linux?
[03:20] <danko123> Hajuu: please rephrase yoru question
[03:20] <PhotonX> research captive-ntf, Echelon-H
[03:20] <PhotonX> ntfs*
[03:20] <Psyco> hi
[03:20] <danko123> hey
[03:20] <PhotonX> hi
[03:20] <raDeon> j0
[03:20] <liwen> realplay -r /mydoc/12/13.rm
[03:21] <Echelon-H> PhotonX, k thx
[03:21] <liwen> no respond
[03:21] <Psyco> I have a problem with qtparted
[03:21] <raDeon> mount -t ntfs
[03:21] <liwen> so i ctrl+c
[03:21] <Echelon-H> raDeon, was that for me?
[03:21] <raDeon> yes
[03:21] <ompaul> liwen, realplayer perhaps
[03:21] <Psyco> It doesn't allow to resize the main partition (ext2)
[03:22] <raDeon> mount -t ntfs /device /mount/point
[03:22] <Psyco> anyone can help me?
[03:23] <liwen> someone speak chinese?
[03:23] <reka> Echelon-H: http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs  & http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[03:23] <tiglionabbit> is there a chinese ubuntu channel?
[03:23] <liwen> oh?
[03:23] <liwen> i search
[03:23] <Darth> What is the best site for getting apollon working
[03:24] <johnnybe1ak> Darth: whats the problem
[03:24] <Darth> can't install apollon
[03:24] <dabaSlon> alo...
[03:24] <Darth> can you help
[03:24] <cert> anyone tried installing postgresql 8.0 in ubuntu?
[03:24] <johnnybe1ak> Darth: i can give it a red hot go
[03:25] <danko123> there is an apollon in my synaptic.
[03:25] <Darth> cool
[03:25] <Darth> is there
[03:25] <danko123> these are my sources.list http://pastebin.com/291661 .
[03:25] <cablefish> reka you recomended beep media player.. I'm a total newbie for the record... Should i choose any of the packages or what download of BMP is suitable for ubuntu gnome
[03:25] <danko123> make yours that, and update, and install apollon
[03:25] <audit_> the CDROM drive on my laptop is borked, is there a way I can do a FTP install on it?
[03:26] <danko123> audit_: yeah, a network install, somehow, dunno.
[03:26] <r0d> trying to get kernel source i386 from apt-get cache, but I'll i see in the tree is images of the kernel
[03:26] <Darth> I have no idea how to add them
[03:26] <reka> cablefish: open a terminal, then type 'sudo apt-get install beep-media-player'
[03:26] <danko123> darth, are you in kde?
[03:26] <audit_> well how do I do a network install?
[03:26] <danko123> audit_: I dont know. I know its possible, and works.
[03:26] <Darth> gnome
[03:27] <cablefish> thanks reka
[03:27] <danko123> darth, then, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and make the file look like that pastebin, save, close, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install apollon
[03:27] <thoreauputic> r0d: apt-cache search linux-source
[03:27] <Hajuu> http://pastebin.com/291656 -- Theres my httpd.conf ... Anyone tell me why connections from me to myself are "forbidden" to "/" ?
[03:28] <danko123> dude, rephrase that, I dont get your part after the ...
[03:28] <Darth> thanks
[03:28] <danko123> welcome
[03:28] <dabaSlon> welcome
[03:28] <johnnybe1ak> Hajuu: do you have read permission to /
[03:28] <cablefish> ehhr beep-media-player... Unable to find package?
[03:28] <Hajuu> well the / is in my home folder
[03:28] <Hajuu> so yes
[03:28] <Hajuu> heh
[03:28] <cablefish> What package should i download?
[03:28] <danko123> cablefish: you can also use synaptic, and search.
[03:28] <reka> how can i upgrade an ndividual package using apt-get?
[03:28] <raDeon> cablefish, yes
[03:29] <raDeon> reka, yes
[03:29] <tiglionabbit> hajuu: / should be the root folder, not home.
[03:29] <r0d> thoreauputic, yea i finally got it with linux-source-2.6.11. thx
[03:29] <Darth> do I delete the rest
[03:29] <danko123> raDeon: lol...yes...
[03:29] <raDeon> ;)
[03:29] <Hajuu> tiglionabbit:  It is.. The root folder I want to use is in my home directory
[03:29] <tiglionabbit> home should be at /home/username/
[03:29] <Hajuu> yeah..
[03:29] <reka> raDeon: ?
[03:29] <danko123> darth, yeah, remove what is tehre, put in what is in the pastebin
[03:29] <danko123> reka, he is jj.
[03:29] <Hajuu> it is /home/hajuu/documents/public_html
[03:29] <danko123> no, Hajuu, it is not, but, maybe it is....
[03:30] <reka> danko123: obviously i don't get it.
[03:30] <Hajuu> thats where I have configured it for if you read my httpd.conf
[03:30] <Hajuu> :)
[03:30] <danko123> reka, he was like, you had a question, and he said yes, cause he thought it was funny.
[03:30] <raDeon> she*
[03:30] <johnnybe1ak> ubuntu success story: i bought a laptop today (a compaq armada m300) everything worked perfect out of the box even power management
[03:30] <danko123> Hajuu: please tell me what you are talking about..I really wanna kno...how about, what does Anyone tell me why connections from me to myself are "forbidden" to "/" ? mean
[03:30] <raDeon> i am hot debian girl
[03:31] <johnnybe1ak> lol
[03:31] <tiglionabbit> k here goes, burning my live/install dvd
[03:31] <thoreauputic> reka: just do sudo apt-get install <package>  - if there is a newer one it will be upgraded
[03:31] <Hajuu> well when I try to connect to "http://127.0.0.1/" it gives me a forbidden error
[03:31] <danko123> Hajuu: does that mean, that you cant connect to localhost in your browsetr?
[03:31] <Hajuu> and I meant that im connecting to myself, as the server is on my computer
[03:31] <Hajuu> yes
[03:31] <danko123> ah, I thought that might be it.
[03:31] <Hajuu> lol
[03:31] <thoreauputic> Hajuu: try localhost instead
[03:31] <Hajuu> mmkay
[03:32] <danko123> well, Hajuu, I think that the apache user is www-data, and that he doesnt have read permissions to taht folder, am I right?
[03:32] <Hajuu> localhost returns forbidden too.. it isnt that.. I've misconfigured something somewhere that wont give me access or something
[03:32] <Hajuu> ohhhh
[03:32] <Hajuu> your right
[03:32] <Hajuu> I havent set that up
[03:32] <Hajuu> haha
[03:32] <reka> OK.  i can't seem to upgrade binutils.  i get this error in synaptic:  "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/binutils_2.15-5ubuntu2.2_i386.deb:  unable to open files list file for package `memtest86+': Input/output error"
[03:32] <deepspring> what happened to the azureus package?
[03:33] <dabaSlon> nice^
[03:33] <thoreauputic> reka: sudoapt-get update
[03:33] <reka> thoreauputic: thanks.
[03:33] <Hajuu> so how can I set it up so that both hajuu and www-data can access /home/hajuu/documents/public_html/ ?
[03:33] <tiglionabbit> thoreaputic with a space in it
[03:33] <danko123> I would not do that.
[03:33] <thoreauputic> oops
[03:33] <thoreauputic> typo sorry
[03:33] <deepspring> ls -al
[03:33] <Hajuu> no?
[03:33] <deepspring> errr
[03:33] <deepspring> wrong window
[03:34] <thoreauputic> reka sudo apt-get update (correction)
[03:34] <danko123> Hajuu: public_html is a fodler that, if apache is configured in a right way, every user on the comp that has a public_html folder can be accessed through http://localhost/~username
[03:34] <danko123> does that make sense, teh sentence?
[03:34] <tiglionabbit> hmm, k3b is writing my dvd at 1x speed.  Is that normal?  I've never written a dvd before
[03:34] <raDeon> biggest typo of the day "how do i install a program", "rm -rf /"
[03:34] <danko123> but, you can do that too.
[03:34] <tiglionabbit> like that's a typo, radeon
[03:34] <johnnybe1ak> if run flux as my wm but still use gnome apps like nautilus, will there be any performance benifits
[03:34] <reka> thoreauputic: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/291664
[03:34] <thoreauputic> raDeon: don't even type that asd a joke, please
[03:35] <Fator_Dee> tiglionabbit: it could be normal, or could be not, it depends on a lot of things
[03:35] <eruin> johnnybe1ak, not really
[03:35] <tiglionabbit> add sudo to the front of it, for comedic effect
[03:35] <danko123> The two things you can do is, allow everyone read access to that folder, or chown -R  www-data /home/hajuu/documents/public_html/
[03:35] <johnnybe1ak> eruin: yeah didn't think so
[03:35] <reka> still the same error.  i think i tried to upgrade it earlier and it broke my system. i can't compile programs now.
[03:35] <Hajuu> ill chown -R it
[03:35] <cyber23> what is my gift install
[03:35] <danko123> ok, sounds good.
[03:35] <danko123> tell me if it works.
[03:35] <cyber23> its for apollon
[03:36] <danko123> Hajuu: want a LAMP book? it has a chapter that will tell you about Apache...
[03:36] <johnnybe1ak> cyber23: try something like giftd -v from the command line
[03:36] <reka> thoreauputic: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/291665
[03:36] <thoreauputic> reka: your dpkg is borked
[03:36] <reka> thoreauputic: which is why i think i need to upgrade binutils
[03:36] <Hajuu> root@ubuntu:/home/hajuu/documents # chown www-user public-html
[03:36] <Hajuu> chown: `www-user': invalid user
[03:36] <danko123> www-data?
[03:36] <cyber23> nothing
[03:36] <raDeon> dont worry i do it all the time and i've calculated that this channel is too small to have someone actually type it
[03:36] <danko123> just a sec
[03:37] <reka> thoreauputic: great. :(  how would i go about fixing it?
[03:37] <thoreauputic> hmm
[03:37] <johnnybe1ak> raDeon: its still stupid
[03:37] <danko123> whats teh formula for the calculation, raDeon?
[03:37] <raDeon> that's easy
[03:37] <danko123> Hajuu: yeah, its www-data
[03:37] <thoreauputic> something like dpkg-reconfigure --all (but that may be wrong - read the man)
[03:37] <danko123> Hajuu: want that book?
[03:37] <tiglionabbit> reka: for that you need the build-essential package..
[03:37] <danko123> It has a chapter on Apache, explaining the 80 % ...
[03:38] <darkaudit> d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! last freakin' lap!
[03:38] <danko123> of the 80-20 metaphore.
[03:38] <reka> tiglionabbit: i already have it installed.
[03:38] <raDeon> (channel size / channel size - 1)
[03:38] <tiglionabbit> o
[03:38] <danko123> raDeon: that gives 0...hm...
[03:38] <reka> tiglionabbit: i could compile programs earlier.  now i seem to have stuffed up either gcc or the linker
[03:38] <raDeon> no you did it wrong!
[03:38] <danko123> reka, do you always compile programs, or only sometimes?
[03:39] <thoreauputic> reka: have you tried `sudo apt-get -f install` without any packages ? Sometimes that heals the system for you
[03:39] <raDeon> i get 1.0
[03:39] <raDeon> and that 1 guy is me
[03:39] <reka> danko123: i'm doing a programming course :
[03:39] <raDeon> so nothing to worry about
[03:39] <danko123> also, apt-get install -f it is different, believe it or not.
[03:39] <danko123> reka: so, you cant compile anything?
[03:39] <tiglionabbit> radeon: anything divided by itself is one.  1 - 1 = 0.
[03:39] <danko123> weird.
[03:39] <danko123> c++? what lang?
[03:39] <reka> danko123: i think i wrecked something after an upgrading things in synaptic
[03:39] <danko123> reka, did you post your sources.list above?
[03:40] <dabaSlon> no, I didnt:)
[03:40] <raDeon> you are dividing 480 by 479 you dont get 0
[03:40] <tiglionabbit> synaptic shouldn't wreck things...
[03:40] <danko123> that was me...
[03:40] <reka> danko123: c.  a program that compiles cleanly on another computer gives the error posted above now.
[03:40] <tiglionabbit> radeon: division takes precedence over subrtaction.  Use parenthesis
[03:40] <danko123> reka, k, well, did you post your sources.list to pastebin yet?
[03:40] <raDeon> tiglionabbit, i did...
[03:40] <raDeon> it works with my calculator like that
[03:41] <raDeon> so it's good enough for me
[03:41] <Hajuu> the chown didnt work
[03:41] <raDeon> (channel size / (channel size - 1))
[03:41] <reka> sources.list: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/291666
[03:41] <spiral> hmmm, could anyone here give me the url of a backport repository for hoary ?
[03:41] <Muiske> How can I show the icons (filesystem, documents etc) on the desktop?
[03:41] <reka> thoreauputic: i'll try that
[03:41] <tiglionabbit> muiske: drag them there.
[03:42] <tiglionabbit> muiske: or right-click it and add thingamabobs...
[03:42] <danko123> Muiske: also, ubuntuguide.org has that shown.
[03:42] <Muiske> Thanks
[03:42] <danko123> Hajuu: whats up? not working?
[03:42] <danko123> sudo chown -R www-data /home/hajuu/documents/public_html/ ??
[03:42] <reka> thoreauputic: apt-get -f install didn't work :-(
[03:43] <thoreauputic> reka: OK - well it was worth a try :(
[03:43] <danko123> reka: you only need testing for marillat. I hear, anyhow...
[03:43] <danko123> http://pastebin.com/291661 reka, maybe make it this.
[03:43] <danko123> then update
[03:43] <reka> danko123: yeah, i've commented it out.
[03:43] <reka> danko123: OK, hang on.
[03:43] <yonil> how can i check all the modules that are currently working ?
[03:43] <danko123> reka, yeah, I kno, I saw it...just saying...geezz..:)
[03:43] <tiglionabbit> lsmod?
[03:43] <danko123> jj
[03:44] <dabaSlon> lala
[03:44] <danko123> that guy dabaSlon is a moron...
[03:44] <dabaSlon> so are you, Danko...
[03:44] <danko123> well, screw you...
[03:44] <dabaSlon> dude, get off my case...
[03:44] <tiglionabbit> drama
[03:44] <danko123> :)
[03:44] <danko123> its me:)
[03:44] <dabaSlon> no its not...
[03:45] <danko123> yeah, I am weird...
[03:45] <Daylighthater> Question I've just unpacked my sources package what do I do next??
[03:45] <johnnybe1ak> will a hoary upgrade get me a new kernel?
[03:45] <thoreauputic> danko123: umm.. it was funny for about 5 seconds, dude
[03:45] <danko123> Daylighthater: what are you doing, tho??
[03:45] <deepspring> ok this is a dumb question has azureus and its dependancies been removed from backports???
[03:45] <r0d> Daylighthater,  you trying to compile a kernel?
[03:45] <Daylighthater> I want to compile my sources later on, because I'm going to install a bootsplash :d
[03:46] <Daylighthater> I like the bootsplash from www.bootsplash.org
[03:46] <tiglionabbit> daylighthater: after you unpack a source package, the first thing you want to do is look in it for a README
[03:46] <lonewolff> deepsring: you could just download java and get azureus from their site and then it works
[03:46] <tiglionabbit> if there is no readme, read the install.sh script or makefile for hints
[03:47] <deepspring> ya, but I'm a lazy bumb who's just done a fresh install
[03:47] <deepspring> :p
[03:47] <r0d> Daylighthater, thx for linux. i think im gonna do that now :0
[03:47] <r0d> *link
[03:48] <johnnybe1ak> lol im like he gave you linux what
[03:48] <r0d> :)
[03:48] <danko123> Daylighthater: did you read their docs?
[03:48] <Daylighthater> It's cool isn't it :d
[03:48] <m4lc0m> Hi all, Can anyone help me about setting up a VPN connection with PPTP? I've tried with some internet searchs but now i'm in a static point! If you are so kind the problem is on ubuntuforum (is too long to explain here) -->  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=37901   Thanks in advance
[03:48] <novaflare> any one have any tips for general performance increases for ubuntu ?
[03:48] <novaflare> some tweaks in other words heh
[03:48] <r0d> I just looked at the pics, and it looks koooool
[03:48] <Daylighthater> I tried to, but i'm to much of a noob to find my way :s
[03:49] <r0d> let me take a crack at it.
[03:49] <danko123> Daylighthater: well, stick with r0d, he is gonna try it now.
[03:49] <r0d> i'll pm you when im done, if your still on
[03:49] <Daylighthater> k
[03:49] <Daylighthater> ok
[03:49] <Daylighthater> I surely will be :d
[03:49] <nihao> Rhythembox and Beep stuck. Is it a problem caused by Gstreamer?
[03:49] <we2by> how do I give some one shell access with chroot?
[03:50] <tiglionabbit> we2by: give someone shell access how?  Don't you mean ssh?
[03:50] <we2by> ppl calls that shell access
[03:50] <danko123> nihao: are the programs using esd?
[03:50] <danko123> nihao: stuck on what, as well,.
[03:51] <we2by> danko123, in gnome? yes
[03:51] <tiglionabbit> we2by: what are you trying to do?
[03:51] <linuxboy> Does anybody know if there are ubuntu .debs for the nightly builds for thunderbird?
[03:51] <we2by> give some one ssh access?
[03:52] <tiglionabbit> ah
[03:52] <tiglionabbit> lemme fool around with that for a sec and I'll have an answer for you
[03:52] <LinuxJones> m4lc0m, have you checked your settings in network-admin and selected the default gateway device ?
[03:52] <nihao> danko123, I open rhythembox, it shows up, but then stop responding..
[03:52] <danko123> linuxboy: I would not think so, but I dont know.
[03:53] <johnnybe1ak> nihao: what does it say if you run it from the cli
[03:53] <danko123> ok, do you know what output plugin it is using?
[03:53] <danko123> nihao^
[03:53] <linuxboy> danko123: im just taking a shot in the dark ;)
[03:53] <danko123> its possible.
[03:53] <linuxboy> it is, i just doubt it :)
[03:54] <linuxboy> i might attempt to make a package myself...
[03:54] <nihao> johnnybe1ak: the same. I start it in terminal, then it becomes dummy. I had to kill it.
[03:54] <johnnybe1ak> nihao: what output is there in the terminal if any
[03:55] <nihao> danko123: how do i know it used ESD or something else?
[03:55] <danko123> it would maybe be in options, or properties, I dont use those 2 programs..
[03:55] <tiglionabbit> we2by: there appears to be a faq about ssh here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SSHHowto
[03:55] <danko123> g2g lay down.
[03:56] <nihao> johnnybe1ak: I input "rhythembox", press RET, it shows up, it stucks, then I killed it :-) no other output.
[03:56] <linuxboy> whats the ubuntu backport site? http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ doesn't want to work
[03:56] <Hajuu> danko123:  Uhm... yeah I redid that chown
[03:56] <Hajuu> still no good
[03:56] <Hajuu> I think
[03:56] <Hajuu> that its a problem with my httpd.conf not with my permissions
[03:57] <johnnybe1ak> nihao: hmm does sound work in other apps no worries?
[03:57] <m4lc0m> LinuxJones: I tried even if it won't work, I'm in a univesity net so i'm behind DHCP I cannot change the settings
[03:57] <danko123> Hajuu: jsut a sec, I have to go lay down.
[03:57] <johnnybe1ak> Hajuu: ahve you tried putting it in a different folder
[03:57] <johnnybe1ak> mines in /var/www
[03:57] <johnnybe1ak> works np
[03:57] <nihao> johnnybe1ak: sound is OK.
[03:57] <Hajuu> aw ok
[03:57] <johnnybe1ak> have you got the latest rhythmbox
[03:57] <johnnybe1ak> hajuu::)
[03:58] <Hajuu> rhythmbox ? I have the one that came with the latest dist of ubuntu heh
[03:58] <Hajuu> whys that?
[03:58] <johnnybe1ak> hajuu: no that was for nihao
[03:58] <johnnybe1ak> *major confusion*
[03:59] <Hajuu> oh
[03:59] <Hajuu> heh
[03:59] <dabaSlon> ok, I am laying down now:)
[03:59] <LinuxJones> m4lc0m, so your device is active in network-admin ?
[03:59] <dabaSlon> Hajuu would you like that book?
[03:59] <r0d> Daylighthater, while your waiting do "apt-get install linux-source-2.6.11
[04:00] <Hajuu> what books that?
[04:00] <dabaSlon> LAMP, A stands for apache
[04:00] <dabaSlon> it has a chapter on it, 30 pages roughly, will tell you lots about it.
[04:00] <capi> is it possible to have Ubuntu read and write files like they are on the computers harddrive with samba?
[04:00] <reka> linuxboy:
[04:00] <reka> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ubp hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[04:00] <reka> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ubp hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[04:00] <reka> [ubuntuguide.org] 
[04:00] <Hajuu> hmmm I've setup several apache servers before heh
[04:00] <Hajuu> just on windows
[04:00] <nihao> johnnybe1ak: rhythembox version 0.8.8. i re-installed it twice today.
[04:00] <Hajuu> not linux
[04:00] <lonewolff> capi: just mount the samba share and then yes
[04:01] <dabaSlon> Hajuu well, if you would like, that book explains the config files, and that.
[04:01] <m4lc0m> yes, but if yo read the topic on ubuntuforum i posted output of ifconfig and route....  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=37901
[04:02] <m4lc0m> LinuxJones: yes, but if yo read the topic on ubuntuforum i posted output of ifconfig and route....  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=37901
[04:02] <m4lc0m> sorry
[04:02] <dabaSlon> toxicfume are you here>?
[04:02] <reka> danko123: no good :( using your sources list i still get the same error: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/291671
[04:02] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: yup
[04:02] <dabaSlon> reka, updated>?
[04:02] <dabaSlon> toxicfume sources done?
[04:02] <reka> dabaSlon: see the pastebin link
[04:02] <dabaSlon> reka, that was not the fix, that was just a start/.
[04:02] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: yup..checking for typos,...
[04:03] <johnnybe1ak> how do i check ram usage
[04:03] <toxicfume> dabaSlon:okay its done
[04:04] <lonewolff> johnnybelak: top from terminal would show you
[04:04] <reka> dabaSlon: ah, whoops.  here: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/291674
[04:04] <dabaSlon> reka k, read the pastebin, yeah, I mean binutils is not something I have ever heard of...
[04:04] <LinuxJones> m4lc0m, your trying to use vpn to control another computer ?
[04:04] <johnnybe1ak> i need more ram :)
[04:05] <tiglionabbit> isn't binutils the basic things like ls?
[04:05] <dabaSlon> reka I would install build-essential, for compioling, havethat installed?
[04:05] <reka> dabaSlon: have you been following my thread?  i'm having linking problems and correct me if i'm wrong but ld is in binutils
[04:05] <reka> dabaSlon: yes, i have be installed.
[04:05] <m4lc0m> LinuxJones: No I'm in a university net and I need VPN to go on internet (is the only way they provide the service)
[04:05] <dabaSlon> wow, I am lost, werent you trying to compile something?
[04:05] <dabaSlon> make dont work...
[04:05] <dabaSlon> something like that?
[04:05] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: should i try apt-get update?
[04:05] <dabaSlon> yeah, pleae.
[04:06] <LinuxJones> m4lc0m, ohh I see
[04:06] <dabaSlon> sudo
[04:06] <reka> dabaSlon: correct: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/291665
[04:06] <lonewolff> dabaSlon: i think he was getting errors about ld when running make
[04:06] <reka> that's my problem
[04:06] <m4lc0m> LinuxJones: Yes, you see and unforunatley to be here I'm using windows, i cannot use ubuntu here :(
[04:06] <tiglionabbit> =\  what tha.  I installed openssh-server, and am attempting to connect to myself, but it's timing out
[04:07] <tiglionabbit> well not timing out, but taking forever and not connecting
[04:07] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: I'M STILL GETTING THE gpg ERROR LIKE I WAS GETTING YESTERDAY :(
[04:07] <toxicfume> opps
[04:07] <toxicfume> sorry for the caps
[04:07] <dabaSlon> yup, you sure you dont have marillat uncommented, the last entgry in sources.list should be commented out.
[04:08] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: it is commented out
[04:08] <tiglionabbit> hm, ah, was a problem with dyndns.org.  nm
[04:08] <LinuxJones> m4lc0m, I wish I could help dude I am sure someone will reply to your posting on the forum....GL
[04:08] <tiglionabbit> mm, hot fresh burned ubuntu dvd!
[04:08] <dabaSlon> toxicfume a gpg error, hey?
[04:08] <tiglionabbit> who wants a byte?
[04:09] <cyber23> anyone know of a good site to get an ati x800pro working
[04:09] <cyber23> please help
[04:09] <m4lc0m> LinuxJones: I hope.. :)
[04:10] <capi> I have samba running on Ubuntu, what do i need to do to read files off of a win machine, ubuntuguide doesn't go over it
[04:10] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: it says the following "W: GPG error: http://security .ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG (alphanumer characters here) Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster.buntu.com>"
[04:10] <dabaSlon> cyber23 yeah, www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowTo but, a lot of ppl fail, dunno why...
[04:10] <cyber23> thanks
[04:10] <tiglionabbit> capi: it should be able to do that already.  I can
[04:10] <lonewolff> capi: goto places and network servers and your workgroup/windows server should show up in there under windows network
[04:10] <Hajuu> hmm... my apache works if I reconfig it for /var/www...
[04:10] <Hajuu> so it must be a permissions issue
[04:11] <Hajuu> but oh well.. ima just use /var/www
[04:11] <dabaSlon> well, somewhat, also x needs to be ennabled for a folder for it to be able to open
[04:11] <LinuxJones> capi, there is a whole section on how to do that in the samba/windows section
[04:12] <dabaSlon> that is a weird error, I think.
[04:12] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: yeah i was having this problem yesterday too
[04:12] <dabaSlon> toxicfume I would double check the spelling errors.
[04:12] <tiglionabbit> toxicfume: that means the packages aren't authenticated.  You can still install them.  Refresh your repositories
[04:13] <synd> is there a damn small linux room?
[04:13] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: i did that,, even yesterday :/
[04:13] <tiglionabbit> refreshing should re-authenticate most of them.  Things from multiverse may not be authenticated though, and will always give you that message
[04:13] <toxicfume> tiglionabbit: how?
[04:13] <novaflare> hmm reading this and wondering if theres any noticable gain from installing a cpu specific kernel http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713&highlight=tweak
[04:13] <tiglionabbit> in synaptic, click on reload.  Or say sudo apt-get update
[04:14] <dabaSlon> tiglionabbit I should tell you that his X is not working yet.
[04:14] <lonewolff> synd: #damnsmalllinux
[04:14] <toxicfume> tiglionabbit: well x isnt working for me..and i get that error from apt-get update itself
[04:14] <tiglionabbit> novaflare: I installed the i656 kernel.  It goes faster.  It was easy to install, and took no effort
[04:14] <tiglionabbit> toxicfume: oh shit.
[04:15] <marjorie> Hi there, ive just had to switch to a really bad old monitor, when X starts i see the picture perfectly for afew seconds then it disappears
[04:15] <novaflare> so its litterly as easy as sudo apt-get and reboot?
[04:15] <tiglionabbit> yes
[04:15] <tiglionabbit> it is
[04:15] <marjorie> I have tried setting very 'generous' values in x config for refresh and res..
[04:15] <tiglionabbit> it will add a new entry to grub.
[04:16] <novaflare> in other words i should grab the linux-k7 sence my cpu is a amd tbird
[04:16] <tiglionabbit> yup
[04:16] <dabaSlon> tiglionabbit I should also tell you, that that is the error he gets when doing sudo apt-get update...:-p
[04:16] <novaflare> k ty may as well do it now
[04:16] <novaflare> and i can boot to both kernels cool
[04:16] <novaflare> heh
[04:16] <tiglionabbit> dabaslon: he said that.  And yeah, I'm stumped..  that shouldn't happen
[04:16] <capi> Lonewolf: I'm running in CLI-only, what would be the equivilent to places and network servers?
[04:16] <toxicfume> argh, why is this happening to me lol
[04:17] <marjorie> Can someone help with my basic X problem?
[04:17] <tiglionabbit> dunno man.  Given it's ubuntu, I'd say grab a hoary cd and reinstall.  =[
[04:17] <dabaSlon> tiglionabbit yeah, it should not with ubuntu repos, for marillat it is a common thing.
[04:17] <toxicfume> tiglionabbit, done that, twice
[04:17] <dabaSlon> toxicfume please double check spelling, while I look into this.
[04:17] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: yup, doing that as  type
[04:17] <dabaSlon> tiglionabbit thats not really expert advice:-p
[04:17] <tiglionabbit> marjorie: what's the prob?
[04:17] <tiglionabbit> dabaslon: I know.  I'm not an expert
[04:18] <marjorie> I switched to a rubbish m,onitor..
[04:18] <dabaSlon> marjorie done dpkg --reconfigure xorgconf something like that?
[04:18] <mileniun> buenas, alguien que hable cristiano????? jeje
[04:18] <marjorie> i have changed the res and refresh rates to 'generous' values in xconfg4
[04:18] <tiglionabbit> mileniun: #ubuntu-es ?
[04:18] <marjorie> when x starts i seem my nvidia pci perfectly in 800x600 for a few secs then it disappears
[04:18] <LinuxJones> marjorie, your refresh rates are too low ?
[04:19] <mileniun> gracias
[04:19] <dabaSlon> de nada
[04:19] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: yesterday..someone in this channel tried asking me to put the IP of the security url in sources.list, even that didnt work
[04:19] <synd-> anyone familiar with DSL? (damn small linux)
[04:19] <johnnybe1ak> heard of it
[04:19] <synd-> i have a few questions but the DSL chan isnt helping
[04:19] <marjorie> im useing horizsync 30-60 vert refresh 4--70
[04:19] <johnnybe1ak> thats about it
[04:19] <lonewolff> synd-: goto their irc channel #damnsmalllinux
[04:20] <synd-> lonewolff: i did
[04:20] <LinuxJones> marjorie, your running Hoary ?
[04:20] <marjorie> no warty =/
[04:20] <johnnybe1ak> is clear looks default in hoary
[04:20] <lonewolff> synd-: it it very unlikely you will get much help in here, as this is the ubuntu channel, try ##linux
[04:21] <marjorie> when x fails it just sais failed to intitlise core devices...
[04:21] <synd-> lonewolff: i know, im an #ubuntu regular and have seen people get help with other debian-like distros in here
[04:21] <LinuxJones> marjorie, here's a link for some info fixing Hoary, just change the reference from the xorg.conf file to xf86config-4 and it should be ok >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:21] <dabaSlon> toxicfume it can also be that one of the repos is down, at the time.
[04:21] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: but it always happens with me :/
[04:21] <marjorie> Linuxjones : im useing warty dont have xorg
[04:21] <toxicfume> while at the same time , it doesnt happen to others
[04:22] <lonewolff> synd: the thing is, DSL is about as un debian like as a debian based distro can be
[04:22] <dabaSlon> toxicfume its ok...:) tell me which repo this happens with...
[04:22] <LinuxJones> marjorie, yeah but the process is almost exactly the same
[04:22] <dabaSlon> I mean, you do sudo apt-get update, and then it starts listing the repos, and which one fails?
[04:22] <synd> lonewolff: hmm
[04:22] <johnnybe1ak> can anyone recommend a pci wifi card
[04:23] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: i dont know which one fauils..but the last linwe shows thwe error i typed out to you
[04:23] <capi> I can access the Linux Box from My Windows Box, but how do I reverse the process using only the command line?
[04:23] <marjorie> ok, thank you, will try.
[04:23] <synd> johnnybe1ak, get one that has a ubuntus supported chipset
[04:23] <LinuxJones> johnnybe1ak, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[04:23] <dabaSlon> ok, then, please hold, I am reading this site: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[04:24] <toxicfume> (sorry for the typoes..not in a comfortable position with both desktop and the laptop on a small table :P)
[04:24] <toxicfume> dabaSlon: okay, thanks :)
[04:25] <novaflare> that was damn simple
[04:25] <raDeon> DAMN SIMPLE
[04:25] <novaflare> dont know that it did much to speed things up yet
[04:25] <marjorie> Linuxjones : im useing warty dont have xorg
[04:25] <novaflare> but it booted properly heh
[04:26] <Guest22367> www.ubuntu.com
[04:26] <raDeon> when will my cd shipment get here
[04:27] <LinuxJones> marjorie, yes I know that's why I mentioned changing the references in the article from xorg.conf to XF86Config-4
[04:27] <caine> does anybody here use yahoo msg
[04:27] <ogi_> yuck
[04:27] <Hajuu> uhm
[04:28] <caine> or if anybody here knows how to install gtkhtml-0.8
[04:28] <synd> caine, is it not in the apt-get?
[04:28] <caine> its not yahoo that im really having the problem with
[04:28] <caine> im following the directions to install gtkhtml-0.8
[04:28] <caine> but they dont make sense to me
[04:29] <caine> what does 'cd' mean
[04:29] <danko123> cd means change directory
[04:29] <Daylighthater> change directory
[04:29] <ogi_> change directory
[04:29] <johnnybe1ak> change directory hehe
[04:29] <caine> 1. `cd' to the directory containing the package's source code and type
[04:29] <redboar> or compact disc
[04:29] <redboar> LOL
[04:29] <danko123> caine, try sudo apt-get install gtkhtml-0.8
[04:30] <reka> well that was unpleasant.  i asked my question again in #debian (dpkg related) and was basically told to bugger off b/c it was ubuntu-related and therefore off-topic
[04:30] <r0d> Daylighthater, uname -a
[04:30] <caine> ok lemme try that
[04:30] <Daylighthater> redboar thats CD
[04:30] <redboar> oh Jesus
[04:30] <johnnybe1ak> reka: #debian is notoriously bad
[04:30] <Daylighthater> r0d uname -r works fine to
[04:30] <danko123> toxicfume: ok, remove one by one repository, and sudo apt-get update to see if taht fixes it.
[04:30] <r0d> Daylighthater,  just install the 2.6 kernel source
[04:30] <Daylighthater> it's just the nuber then
[04:30] <reka> johnnybe1ak: yes, i had heard the rumours ... i managed to call him an oaf before i left though :)
[04:30] <redboar> Linux will never overtake Windoze
[04:30] <caine> E: Couldn't find package gtkhtml-0.8
[04:31] <caine> i figured that was gonna happen
[04:31] <Daylighthater> r0d, can i apt-get??
[04:31] <r0d> yea
[04:31] <redboar> no Micro$oft user will put up with being treated like crap for not knowing anything about computers!  LOL
[04:31] <toxicfume> danko123: hey, i just restarted ubuntu and try apt-get update..and now i get no erroes at all ..it went fine it seems :S
[04:31] <caine> how do you change the directory
[04:31] <danko123> great, good work.
[04:31] <r0d> Daylighthater, apt-get install linux-source-2.6.11
[04:31] <Echelon-H> Hey there, I've asked before if I can use my ntfs partition
[04:31] <Daylighthater> r0d, whats it called this source :s
[04:31] <danko123> ok, then sudo apt-get install bitchx again
[04:31] <Daylighthater> :d
[04:31] <redboar> or what lettes are lower or upper case
[04:31] <tiglionabbit> caine: type cd and the name of the directory
[04:31] <toxicfume> danko123: i didn't know anything at all lol
[04:32] <toxicfume> danko123: okay
[04:32] <redboar> *letters
[04:32] <caine> ok
[04:32] <Echelon-H> but Now i see there is no deb for captive-ntfs.
[04:32] <Echelon-H> anyone knows another solution?
[04:32] <Daylighthater> r0d, is that unstable??
[04:32] <toxicfume> danko123: its done i think
[04:32] <tiglionabbit> echelon: you can only read ntfs, and have very limited writing ability
[04:32] <tiglionabbit> the project is pretty dead
[04:32] <Daylighthater> just need to adjust my sources of apt then
[04:32] <danko123> Echelon-H: you mean just mount the ntfs partition? ok, well, you can, yes, but you cant write to it.
[04:32] <r0d> Daylighthater, no
[04:33] <danko123> toxicfume: run bitchx in the terminal
[04:33] <Echelon-H> danko123, that's fine, how can I do that?
[04:33] <r0d> Daylighthater,  they splashimage where installing maybe
[04:33] <ogi_> Who want's to tell me about The French Revolution? :P
[04:33] <r0d> Daylighthater,  no guts no glory:)
[04:33] <egg|overhaul> ^-^ hi
[04:33] <johnnybe1ak> lol
[04:33] <danko123> Echelon-H: ubuntuguide.org has that shown. or if someone else feels like walking you through it, Im sick...
[04:33] <caine> ok is it like this
[04:33] <caine> cd/home/caine/Desktop/My Documents/gaim-1.3.0
[04:33] <caine> cd-/home/caine/Desktop/My Documents/gaim-1.3.0
[04:33] <egg|overhaul> history lession?
[04:33] <caine> cd /home/caine/Desktop/My Documents/gaim-1.3.0
[04:33] <Echelon-H> danko123, k, i'll look over there, thanks
[04:33] <caine> because none of these are working
[04:34] <danko123> caine: ...
[04:34] <ogi_> egg|overhaul, yeppers
[04:34] <raDeon> cocaine
[04:34] <danko123> caine, what are you trying to do, compile gaim??
[04:34] <caine> no iv got gaim
[04:34] <caine> but it doesnt support webcam
[04:34] <egg|overhaul> ogi_<  yoper
[04:35] <caine> so im installing yahoo msg for linux
[04:35] <danko123> caine: your webcam works?
[04:35] <cocaine> caine, im like your co-pilot
[04:35] <marjorie> Linuxjones: I have consolted that site, nothing new...
[04:36] <marjorie> It almost as if something else is messing up display, beacuse i see the picture perfrect for a few seconds
[04:36] <Echelon-H> can I find anywhere the Arial font for linux (and if possible, also in hebrew)?
[04:36] <rixth> Is there anyway to apply an equalizer to ALL audio out of your computer?
[04:36] <marjorie> alsa-mixer should do it
[04:36] <caine> lol
[04:36] <caine> yeah well copolite start piloting lol
[04:36] <egg|overhaul> caine-_- lol
[04:36] <caine> cause im lost as hell
[04:36] <danko123> cocaine: what was up with you changing your nick every minute last night??
[04:36] <danko123> :)
[04:37] <cocaine> trying to dodge bans
[04:37] <egg|overhaul> danko123-_- :)
[04:37] <cocaine> ;)
[04:37] <rixth> marjorie, I'll take a look. I really likr RhythmBox, but no equlizer. Is therer suhc things as plugins for RB?
[04:37] <caine> this is the directory i have to go to
[04:37] <caine> /home/caine/Desktop/My Documents/yahoo/gtkhtml-0.8
[04:37] <delire_> caine: try 'cd /home/caine/Desktop/My\ Documents/gaim-1.3.0'
[04:37] <marjorie> rixth: Im not sure, alsa plus gstre
[04:37] <lonewolff> cd "/home/cain/Desktop/My Documents/yahoo/gtkhtml-0.8"
[04:37] <caine> w/o the quotes right
[04:37] <Echelon-H> cool i got the ntfs working :D
[04:38] <marjorie> sry... i use alsa amarok and gstreamer
[04:38] <ogi_> Echelon-H, in what direction
[04:38] <Echelon-H> ogi_, read
[04:38] <delire_> caine: you need to 'escape' that space in the folder. on UNIX systems such clearspace in names is ill advised.
[04:38] <caine> ok that works now
[04:38] <caine> finally
[04:38] <delire_>  s/folder/"folder name"
[04:39] <marjorie> Is it possible that DRI could be causeing this moniutor some problems?
[04:39] <delire_> caine: just rename that folder name ok? My-Documents would be fine
[04:39] <caine> 1. `cd' to the directory containing the package's source code and type
[04:39] <caine>      `./configure' to configure the package for your system.  If you're
[04:39] <caine>      using `csh' on an old version of System V, you might need to type
[04:39] <caine>      `sh ./configure' instead to prevent `csh' from trying to execute
[04:39] <caine>      `configure' itself.
[04:39] <Fator_Dee> marjorie: what is your problem?
[04:39] <Echelon-H> If I want only to share files on the LAN when one comp is windows and the other is ubuntu, do I need samba or I need something else?
[04:39] <caine> anybody understand that shit lol
[04:39] <capi> How do I determine, know what the username/password combo is on my windows box for samba? Is it the same as the user accounts?
[04:39] <rixth> Echelon-H, only samba.
[04:39] <delire_> caine: to compile it do this: './configure && make && make install'
[04:40] <danko123> hey, you guys with atis... or whatever graphics cards... sudosed-i-e's/"ati"/"fglrx"/'/etc/X11/XF86Config-4 what is teh hoary alternative,
[04:40] <lonewolff> cain: once your in the directory type ./configure and press enter
[04:40] <marjorie> Ive changed to a very old monitor, when gdm starts i see the nvidia banner perfect for a few secs but then disapepas and x dies
[04:40] <rixth> capi, Did you run smbpasswd -a *user*?
[04:40] <delire_> caine: you're compiling software, don't expect it to be comprehendable, or easy at first!
[04:40] <caine> it says this right now in terminal
[04:40] <lonewolff> capi: yes, if you are connecting to the windows box from linux then it will be the user accounts on the windows box
[04:40] <caine> caine@Caine:~/Desktop/My Documents/gaim-1.3.0$
[04:40] <marjorie> and i DONT get the no screen message!
[04:40] <capi> rixth, ok
[04:40] <marjorie> :)
[04:41] <lonewolff> capi: if its the other way round then you add users with smbpasswd
[04:41] <danko123> sudodpkg-reconfigurexserver-x or this, what is the rest of the command??
[04:41] <reka> *sigh*  i think i've narrowed it down: i think my dpkg is stuffed: justin@ubuntu:~$ sudo dpkg -S gcc
[04:41] <reka> Password:
[04:41] <reka> dpkg-query: unable to open files list file for package `memtest86+': Input/output error
[04:41] <lonewolff> dank123: xserver-xorg i would assume
[04:41] <uc50_ic4more> folks, i have spent about 2 days now with my first install of Ubuntu and love it - so much so that I would like to convert some friends, family and clients... However, I know a few people who are very, very fond of Microsoft's Picture Manager utility that comes w/ Office 2003... Does anyone know of a GUI program for *NIX that kinda sorta does what Picture Manager does?
[04:42] <Fator_Dee> uc50_ic4more: what it does :-o
[04:42] <Echelon-H> if I installed something from a .run file, how can I delete it?
[04:42] <ogi_> danko123,  xorg.conf
[04:42] <danko123> lonewolff: command not found...
[04:42] <delire_> reka: when did this problem begin?
[04:42] <delire_> Echelon-H: rm -f <file.run>
[04:42] <lonewolff> uc50_ic4more: what does it do?
[04:42] <caine> ok so im stuck at caine@Caine:~/Desktop/My Documents/gaim-1.3.0$
[04:42] <Fator_Dee> uc50_ic4more: I'm not sure what it does exactly, but you could try gqview, gthumb, they are image viewing programs
[04:42] <caine> do i put configure right after that?
[04:42] <delire_> Echelon-H: or do you mean the installed program
[04:43] <Echelon-H> the installed prog
[04:43] <danko123> thanks, Ill tryu that.
[04:43] <delire_> uc50_ic4more: gthumb is very ood
[04:43] <reka> delire_: i can't pinpoint it.  i think it was after i upgraded a few packages in synaptic.  now i can't compile programs, because i get an ld error.
[04:43] <Fator_Dee> uc50_ic4more: or just search for image viewers on synaptic/apt-get
[04:43] <lonewolff> cain: when you are in that directory just type ./configure and hit enter
[04:43] <delire_> s/ood/good
[04:43] <uc50_ic4more> Sorry - I was assuming that a lot of folks here have some type of dual-boot arrangement - Picture Manager is like a GUI batch image processor - *really* simple re-sizing, auto color correction, etc.
[04:43] <reka> uc50_ic4more: the gimp.  pre-installed with ubuntu
[04:43] <delire_> reka: try 'sudo ldconfig'
[04:43] <caine> ok thnx now its configuring
[04:43] <danko123> ./configure, maybe
[04:43] <caine> and its done
[04:43] <uc50_ic4more> Fator-Dee - there are several image viewers listed - can you recommend one that perform some cursory adjustments to color/ size, etc.?
[04:43] <reka> delire: that doesn't explain why dpkg doesn't work
[04:44] <reka> but i'll try it
[04:44] <Fator_Dee> uc50_ic4more: I'll check on them
[04:44] <delire> reka: no but if you can't compile programs you ld may have no idea where the *.so's it needs to link against are.
[04:44] <caine> 2. Type `make' to compile the package.
[04:44] <capi> what port does samba use with windows?
[04:44] <caine> but i typed in and got this
[04:44] <delire> reka: very odd regardless
[04:44] <danko123> noo...
[04:44] <danko123> :)
[04:44] <mz2> uc50_ic4more, if you want to do color adjustments and such, f-spot is nice and easy, and looks flashy, and does that easily for a batch of images
[04:44] <caine> caine@Caine:~/Desktop/My Documents/gaim-1.3.0$ make make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[04:45] <jdizzle> anyone know about xorg ati drivers or have any tips..... i just installed the drivers on ubuntu and dlxcfg still gives me mesa drivers
[04:45] <danko123> caine, do a ls there.
[04:45] <caine> ls?
[04:45] <cocaine> cocaine get it nyeahaha
[04:45] <delire> caine: did you ./configure
[04:45] <danko123> then, go into the right folder.
[04:45] <caine> yeah i did
[04:45] <caine> and it finished
[04:45] <delire> caine: then look for a src/ directory
[04:45] <nalioth> howdy y'all, seems my nick arrived b4 i did
[04:45] <synd> gdesklets or gkrellm.. which should i get?
[04:45] <delire> caine: cd in there and type make. why are you compiling gaim btw???
[04:46] <reka> delire: done.  still no go.  for reference: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/291665 (the original problem), http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/291674 (attempting to upgrade binutils)
[04:46] <nalioth> synd: they are two differnt things
[04:46] <Fator_Dee> uc50_ic4more: gthumb has some editing abilities, you should try that f-spot out
[04:46] <caine> im not compiling gaim
[04:46] <caine> this isnt gaim
[04:46] <jiyuu0> backports down?
[04:46] <caine> i already have gaim installed
[04:46] <synd> nalioth: i thought they were similar in what they do?
[04:46] <danko123> jiyuu0: some mirrors work.
[04:46] <nalioth> synd: in my experience, gkrellm (or superkaramba<for KDE>)
[04:46] <uc50_ic4more> gthumb it is - i'll give it a shot - thank you!
[04:46] <jiyuu0> danko123, thanks
[04:46] <reka> jdizzle: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:46] <caine> but it doesnt support webcam so im installing yahoo msg but in order to install that i have to have gtkhtml-0.8
[04:46] <alejandro_> hi .... there is debian package for installing windows media codecs for totem media player ???
[04:47] <nalioth> synd the possibilitys for both are limited by your scripting ability
[04:47] <reka> alejandro_: w32codecs
[04:47] <caine> because its the client that runs it
[04:47] <synd> nalioth: im not planning on scripting at all
[04:47] <nihao> Upgrade failed: K7 kernel is not compliant with Nvidia-glx?
[04:47] <rixth> alejandro_, no, you have to goto mplayer.hu and install the essential codecs pack.
[04:47] <nalioth> synd: i unfortunately cannot get gdesklets to work on my machine, but gkrellm and superkaramba both work fine
[04:47] <rixth> reka, w32codes is not longer a proper packed.
[04:47] <delire> caine: alright then
[04:47] <synd> nalioth: alright, sounds good
[04:47] <reka> rixth: really?! when did this happen?
[04:48] <danko123> Does anyone know how to go through a sudodpkg-reconfigurexserver-xorg ?
[04:48] <caine> and im installing that right now
[04:48] <jdizzle> can someone pm me to help with the ati driver setup, i went to force overwrite some files and it gives an error
[04:48] <jdizzle> sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite fglrx-6-8-0_8.12.10-2_i386.deb
[04:48] <danko123> a walkthrough, otr which options to use?
[04:48] <synd> nalioth: are there any alternatives to gkrellm?
[04:48] <alejandro_> all roght thx ...
[04:48] <nalioth> synd: there is a mighty lot of users working on things to add to superkaramba
[04:48] <reka> danko123: i wouldn't do that if i were you.  it's known to stuff up your xorg.conf file.  make sure to back it up before attempting.
[04:48] <delire> jdizzle: have you created a *.deb file? if so dpkg -i --force-overwrite fglrx....deb
[04:48] <synd> nalioth: i see. but i dont use KDE
[04:48] <rixth> alejandro_, it's also advisable to get totem-xine (The default is the gstreamer version)
[04:48] <nalioth> synd: superkaramba is closer kinned to gdesktlets than it is gkrellm
[04:48] <rixth> reka, not sure, E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate
[04:48] <Shorty`> hey guys
[04:49] <nalioth> synd: you don't have to use kde
[04:49] <dimeo> does the floppy work for everyone after ubuntu is installed?
[04:49] <Shorty`> are there any applications that work like RDP in the sence that I can go to a windows machine, and pull up my Desktop?
[04:49] <dimeo> I have to type " sudo mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0
[04:49] <dimeo> "
[04:49] <synd> nalioth: is it KDE-ish?
[04:49] <delire> jdizzle: and what happens?
[04:49] <caine> delire: i just sent you the instructions im following
[04:49] <dimeo> to get it to mount.. .anyone know how to fix this?
[04:49] <nalioth> dimeo: don't know, the manufacturer left a floppy drive off my Mac
[04:49] <reka> rixth: hmm, it's still on ubuntuguide.  i admit i haven't installed it since about a month ago though.
[04:49] <danko123> reka, thanks, anyone else?
[04:49] <delire> caine: yes they are generic compilation instructions.
[04:49] <nalioth> synd yes, superkaramba uses kdelibs and such
[04:49] <reka> lol
[04:50] <nalioth> synd: superkaramba is apt-gettable (with only the kde junk it needs)
[04:50] <caine> yeah well i dont understand them lol
[04:50] <caine> i understand some of it
[04:50] <ompaul> dimeo, if you 'cat /etc/fstab' do you see a reference to floppy in there?
[04:50] <caine> but i do what it says w/o knowledge of specifics that i need to know
[04:50] <alejandro_> what is totem-xine , another media player ??
[04:50] <caine> like the whole cd thing and how to do it
[04:50] <nalioth> dimeo: no more PM, please
[04:50] <Shorty`> I'll take that as a no ;P
[04:51] <reka> alejandro_: no.  it uses the xine backend rather than the default gstreamer that comes with ubuntu.
[04:51] <danko123> nalioth: do you have to run sudodpkg-reconfigurexserver-xorg??
[04:51] <synd> nalioth: this old laptop im messing with only has a p3 600mhz, 128mb RAM. gnome and KDE barely get by on it.. so i use xfce. will the kde libs bog it down?
[04:51] <danko123> nalioth: heh, funny way of asking...
[04:52] <alejandro_> all right ...im downloading the debian package of it .... after that i have to do something more ??
[04:52] <jdizzle> this is what i get delire -->  Warning: could not find /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/.libfglrx_ip.a.GCC3.c md for /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/libfglrx_ip.a.GCC3
[04:52] <danko123> nalioth: can you guide me through it is what I mean.
[04:52] <delire> caine: normally './configure && make && make install' is sufficient. sometimes with a './bootstrap' at the outset, sometimes editing a Makefile to reflect the paths on your system.
[04:52] <jdizzle> when i do make.sh to that file
[04:52] <Echelon-H> if I am doing a read only to my NTFS can I damage anything?
[04:52] <nalioth> synd: that is a good question. you'd only be running ONE app
[04:52] <hannes_> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET -- REALLY <- why, I've had it working just great for a few weeks
[04:52] <nalioth> danko123: i don't have any experience with that command sequence
[04:53] <Shuddertrix> Echelon-H: You cannot damage it with it mounted as read-only.
[04:53] <jdizzle> thats the only error message and everything else is fine, but i think thats why its not installing
[04:53] <synd> Echelon-H: nope
[04:53] <danko123> hannes_: cause..
[04:53] <Fator_Dee> hannes_: and it could be totally whacked when you update it nect time
[04:53] <hannes_> exept that sope packages are unable to install
[04:53] <delire> jdizzle: odd '.libfglrx_..'? what's with the '.'
[04:53] <Fator_Dee> *next
[04:53] <hannes_> *some
[04:53] <Echelon-H> and if I do read/write?
[04:53] <synd> Echelon-H: unless you dropped the NTFS HDD off a cliff. that may damage it a bit
[04:53] <nalioth> danko123: if its anything similar to Xfree86 configurator, then it should be purty simple
[04:53] <Shuddertrix> hannes_: it's something to do with the transition to gcc 4
[04:53] <jacquesmerde> fuck, my favourite cd skips in a couple of places, and its no longer in print. is there anything i can do?
[04:53] <alejandro_> talking about breezy ..... how will be breezy anyway ???
[04:53] <Fator_Dee> hannes_: you shouldn't use it because it is not stable enough
[04:53] <delire> jdizzle: i have a /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/libfglrx_ip.a.GCC3
[04:54] <Echelon-H> synd, hehe, Im using the same HDD so it would also damage the Ext3 one
[04:54] <jdizzle> hmm still dont know why i dont
[04:54] <hannes_> yes, gcc4 and new dbus break it a bit
[04:54] <nalioth> hannes_: and with the next upgrade, you may be broken
[04:54] <Echelon-H> anyways, if I'm using read/write, can it damage anything?
[04:54] <danko123> Echelon-H: yeah, its not safe to write to ntfs from linux, at this time.
[04:54] <ompaul> hannes_, people usually go for the latest thing, however in an continuing evolving system (ubuntu linux) the use of bleeding edge tools without good reason can leave emotional scars when the system seems to be beyond recovery
[04:54] <reka> jacquesmerde: off-topic, is it scratched?
[04:54] <Bizzeh> hey, i wanna install ubuntu to its own partition on my hdd, without messing up my main partition and mbr
[04:54] <marjorie-t> What might my display problem be if i see the display at perfect res etc and then x disapears after 2 secs or so...
[04:55] <delire> jdizzle: you shouldn't need that source file.
[04:55] <Shuddertrix> Echelon-H: If you write something, there's a high chance of it corrupting the ntfs partition.
[04:55] <hannes_> ompaul: just reinstall it than
[04:55] <ompaul> hannes_, so therefore for the average user using the bleeding edge before it becomes a release candiate is not a good idea
[04:55] <caine> how do i run 'make install'
[04:55] <nalioth> Echelon-H: writing to NTFS could destroy the NTFS "bubble", causing total data loss to that partition
[04:55] <danko123> just as you said, caine.
[04:55] <jdizzle> funny thing is i also have it in the dir
[04:55] <reka> Bizzeh: what's on the other partition? windows?
[04:55] <nalioth> Echelon-H: reading from NTFS is a given today, but not writing
[04:55] <delire> jdizzle: have you 'cd build_mod/ && sh make.sh && cd .. && sh make_install' ?
[04:55] <ompaul> hannes_, one may not have that luxary
[04:55] <Bizzeh> and i wanna use a floppy to have grub on to boot ubuntu
[04:55] <Bizzeh> reka: xp
[04:56] <caine> if configure is like this './configure'
[04:56] <hannes_> ompaul: an why, may I ask?
[04:56] <caine> well i did this
[04:56] <marjorie-t> is there a program to guess modeline for your monitor?
[04:56] <ompaul> hannes_, it may be a production machine
[04:56] <caine> caine@Caine:~/Desktop/My Documents/yahoo/gtkhtml-0.8$ ./make\install
[04:56] <dimeo> ompaul here's what's listed in fstab   "/dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[04:56] <dimeo> "
[04:56] <delire> jdizzle: you have to run the make script in build_mod first.
[04:56] <caine> and got this
[04:56] <jacquesmerde> reka, not to my eye
[04:56] <danko123>  make install
[04:56] <caine> bash: ./makeinstall: No such file or directory
[04:56] <danko123> jsut like that.
[04:56] <caine> caine@Caine:~/Desktop/My Documents/yahoo/gtkhtml-0.8$
[04:56] <hannes_> ompaul: well, my machine iisn't
[04:56] <delire> caine: make install
[04:56] <jdizzle> i have that file
[04:56] <Bizzeh> reka: it posible?
[04:56] <caine> caine@Caine:~/Desktop/My Documents/yahoo/gtkhtml-0.8$ ./make install
[04:56] <caine> bash: ./make: No such file or directory
[04:56] <Fator_Dee> hannes_: or there could be some data that's somehow crucial, possibilities are endless
[04:56] <jdizzle> somehow
[04:56] <jacquesmerde> reka, actually, its an ep. would that music be on the inner or outer part?
[04:56] <caine> caine@Caine:~/Desktop/My Documents/yahoo/gtkhtml-0.8$ make install
[04:56] <caine> make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
[04:57] <delire> jdizzle: and you can 'sh make.sh'?
[04:57] <ompaul> hannes_, so you may do what you choose to do, however less experianced users and those who seek realiabity may stay well back from the edge
[04:57] <reka> jacquesmerde: not sure, but does your drive make uneven sounds (like it's starting and stopping)?
[04:57] <hannes_> Fator_Dee: well, I think that it wouldn't break my /home partition
[04:57] <delire> jdizzle: in fglrx/build_mod/
[04:57] <hannes_> or the backup on my fileserver
[04:57] <karim> what is the recommanded dhcp server ?
[04:57] <marjorie-t> caine: run configure first
[04:57] <synd> Amaranth: you alive?
[04:57] <danko123> dhcpd:-p
[04:57] <jdizzle> when i run sh make.sh I get that error
[04:57] <Amaranth> synd: yeah
[04:57] <karim> danko123, dhcp3-server ?
[04:57] <Fator_Dee> hannes_: but if you really, really wan't to use breezy, then use it
[04:57] <karim> what is the difference ?
[04:57] <Daylighthater> Question how do I install 2.6.11 kernel, currently running 2.6.10
[04:57] <caine> i did
[04:57] <reka> Bizzeh: i'm not sure.  when i've dualbooted i always installed grub onto the mbr
[04:57] <caine> thats finished
[04:57] <jacquesmerde> reka, kinda. a bit clicky too
[04:57] <hannes_> Fator_Dee: But I'm already running it
[04:57] <Amaranth> karim: you don't want it, the 2.6.11 in hoary isn't really 2.6.11
[04:57] <danko123> karim: not sure:)
[04:58] <synd> Amaranth: just got a dual 2.0ghz powermac : )
[04:58] <jdizzle> ill show u my output for the make on private chat
[04:58] <Fator_Dee> hannes_: ok then
[04:58] <hannes_> and works /nearly) fine
[04:58] <Amaranth> synd: you suck
[04:58] <nalioth> synd: who'd ya knock over for that?
[04:58] <delire> jdizzle: which version of fglrx? perhaps delete the entire fglrx directory and install it again with dpkg.
[04:58] <reka> jacquesmerde: try burning a copy.  your cd is probably scratched somewhere. (have you tried cleaning it)?
[04:58] <caine> i already ran configure
[04:58] <marjorie-t> well then either something failed dureing configure or make then
[04:58] <hannes_> Xsessionmanager popups an empty message after I login
[04:58] <caine> and it finished
[04:58] <karim> Amaranth, 2.6.11 hangs my computer
[04:58] <Amaranth> synd: also, where do you live so i can come steal it?
[04:58] <marjorie-t> and make?
[04:58] <hannes_> and some packages don't install
[04:58] <caine> i dont think it worked right though
[04:58] <hannes_> but otherwise it's just fine
[04:58] <caine> caine@Caine:~/Desktop/My Documents/yahoo/gtkhtml-0.8$ ./configure
[04:58] <caine> creating cache ./config.cache
[04:58] <caine> checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
[04:58] <caine> checking whether build environment is sane... yes
[04:58] <caine> checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
[04:58] <caine> checking for working aclocal... missing
[04:58] <synd> Amaranth, nalioth: i took it from the storage room at work.. : )
[04:58] <caine> checking for working autoconf... missing
[04:58] <caine> checking for working automake... missing
[04:59] <caine> checking for working autoheader... missing
[04:59] <danko123> yay
[04:59] <caine> checking for working makeinfo... missing
[04:59] <ompaul> dimeo, 'sudo mount /media/floppy0'  however it may not have a format that works automagically have a look at command like mdir (from the mtools series) if it has a dos format on it
[04:59] <Amaranth> karim: yeah, it isn't really 2.6.11, it's from an unstable snapshot of the kernel sometime after 2.6.10
[04:59] <marjorie-t>  !!
[04:59] <caine> checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no
[04:59] <nalioth> Amaranth: i'll help ya, if ya make me an account on it
[04:59] <ubotu> I am not your damn csh prompt!
[04:59] <danko123> wooho
[04:59] <caine> checking for gcc... no
[04:59] <jdizzle> im pretty new to linux so i have no idea what directory to delete
[04:59] <caine> checking for cc... no
[04:59] <caine> configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
[04:59] <Amaranth> karim: so it's buggy as hell
[04:59] <Fator_Dee> fl00d
[04:59] <marjorie-t> dude dont spam
[04:59] <Amaranth> caine: Don't do that again please.
[04:59] <synd> caine: use #flood
[04:59] <ompaul> caine Stop please
[04:59] <Shuddertrix> caine: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:59] <Amaranth> caine: sudo apt-get install built-essential
[04:59] <danko123> caine: you can use http://pastebin.com for readability as well.
[04:59] <Amaranth> err, what he said
[04:59] <jacquesmerde> reka, yeah, tried cleaning it, what's the proper way to do that?
[04:59] <Shuddertrix> caine: And please stop flooding, that is what pastebin and #flood are for
[04:59] <Amaranth> danko123: pastebin isn't what i'd call readable
[04:59] <nalioth> synd: so how often is the storage room door open?
[04:59] <Amaranth> danko123: http://rafb.net/paste/
[04:59] <danko123> Amaranth: so ??
[05:00] <jacquesmerde> why does an ubuntu install default to an ext3 filesystem? just curious...
[05:00] <danko123> thanks, tho, I like pastebin, it is fine.
[05:00] <caine> didnt know about pastebin and #flood
[05:00] <marjorie-t> Is there anything else that would stop monitor working apart from res depth and refresh?
[05:00] <jdizzle> caine: im usin fglrx-6-8-0
[05:00] <danko123> now you do:)
[05:00] <Bizzeh> reka: i cant do that tho can i
[05:00] <danko123> neither did I:)
[05:00] <synd> nalioth: well, since i work in the IS and Network Services dept, i have a key to the storage room
[05:00] <Bizzeh> cos i already have windows installed
[05:00] <reka> Daylighthater: install linux-386 or linux-686 (depends on your pref.) reboot and you should have a new entry for it in your bootloader
[05:00] <Bizzeh> and windows boot loader is in mbr
[05:00] <caine> jdizzle and what is that supposed to mean to me
[05:00] <jdizzle> caine: it came with new ubunu
[05:00] <HacheTesR> hello
[05:00] <caine> what is it
[05:00] <capi> What is the syntax to mount a samba partion with ubuntu, I was trying smbmount username=UN password=SAMBA ip=192.168.1.100 and it tells me it can't resolve the mount point?
[05:00] <Amaranth> synd: did you just tell me that to gloat or did you need help running smeg on ppc hoary? :)
[05:01] <jdizzle> caine: whoops hehe
[05:01] <synd> nalioth: just to gloat : )
[05:01] <synd> Amaranth: *
[05:01] <jdizzle> delire: im usin fglrx-6-8-0
[05:01] <reka> jacquesmerde: :) i always just wiped it with a soft cloth or the back of my hand.
[05:01] <Daylighthater> I've already installed linux-686
[05:01] <marjorie-t> capi, have u tried a smb:// in nautilyus?
[05:01] <dimeo> Reading on the forums, it seems other people are also finding that your standard formatted floppy can't be mounted, when Ubuntu is first installed.  I hope this is changed in upcoming versions.
[05:01] <nalioth> synd: too much gloat will turn your face pruny
[05:01] <caine> so what is ' sudo apt-get install build-essential' supposed to do
[05:01] <synd> not at 18 years old!
[05:02] <nalioth> caine, it gives you all your development goodness
[05:02] <Shuddertrix> caine: install the required compilers and tools to allow you to build.
[05:02] <synd> Amaranth: im thinking about putting as many PPC OS'es i can on it
[05:02] <caine> ok its done
[05:02] <Fator_Dee> caine: it's going to install packages that are essential to build your own applications from source
[05:02] <pirroH> hi, is there a way to use standard cups web interface in ubuntu??
[05:02] <Shuddertrix> caine: you can use synaptic to read package's descriptions. start doing that.
[05:02] <nalioth> synd: stick with OSX
[05:02] <delire> jdizzle: so that's for xorg..
[05:02] <HacheTesR> is ther some french people here please ?
[05:02] <capi> marjorie-t, is nautilyus a web browser, I'm running only the command line interface here.
[05:02] <delire> nalioth: ewww
[05:02] <jdizzle> delire: yah
[05:02] <caine> shudder yahoo msg isnt in there i already checked
[05:02] <Bizzeh> reka: so is it hard to do with windows already in the boot sector
[05:02] <synd> nalioth: i agree, but i have 3 mac minis, 2 imac g5's and an iBook g4 that all run OSX ;p
[05:02] <nalioth> HacheTesR: is anyone is #ubuntu-fr?
[05:02] <Amaranth> HacheTesR: #ubuntu-fr might be better
[05:02] <caine> and neither is this gtkhtml-0.8 prog
[05:02] <jdizzle> delire: but i have no idea why id get that error...... the file is there
[05:02] <marjorie-t> ah, sry i was assumeing u had x runing
[05:02] <HacheTesR> thx Amaranth
[05:03] <WeirdAl> Hey guys... what's the Linux equivalent of alt-codes?
[05:03] <Amaranth> caine: ubuntu has gtkhtml....
[05:03] <nalioth> synd: holy *$&_@)$ talk about gloat
[05:03] <synd> delire: OS X owns you
[05:03] <Shuddertrix> caine: why not just the 1.0.2 version of gtkhtml?
[05:03] <reka> Bizzeh: no.  it's actually quite easy.
[05:03] <delire> jdizzle: and you are sh make.sh from inside the build_mod directory
[05:03] <delire> synd: hah! not on my g4 tower it doesn't ;)
[05:03] <Amaranth> i hate the doc
[05:03] <BoD_SWAT> GFTP doesn't use SSL (my server VSFTPD uses that). I try to compile using "--enable-ssl" but it doesn't work. Help?
[05:03] <caine> this is why
[05:03] <caine> "This client uses an un-GNOMEified version of GtkHTML 0.8, which is under the LGPL. Download the source."
[05:03] <Amaranth> err, dock
[05:03] <jdizzle> delire: yah wanna see my whole output for that
[05:03] <marjorie-t> Guys is there anything else i shouyld look at to get my screenworking apart from res depth and refresh
[05:04] <delire> jdizzle: put it in the pastebin
[05:04] <Bizzeh> reka: can you tell me the important bits?
[05:04] <delire> lonewolff: that's the spirit ;)
[05:04] <caine> people im new and havnt the slightest damn clue what i am doing
[05:04] <synd> delire: running PPC ubuntu on it?
[05:04] <caine> im just following instructions as i go
[05:04] <synd> lonewolff: oooo
[05:04] <delire> synd: debian. i tried OSX and couldn't stand it
[05:04] <caine> and most of them dont make any damn sense
[05:04] <jdizzle> delire: pastebin?
[05:04] <synd> lonewolff: g4 cubes are pretty : )
[05:04] <nalioth> BoD_SWAT: the gftp that came from the repos uses SSL by default. did you compile yours from scratch?
[05:04] <synd> delire: boo
[05:04] <marjorie-t> Caine perhaps ready up on gcc compileing etc
[05:04] <lonewolff> synd: yeah, pity apple stopped making them, pita to upgrade tho
[05:04] <BoD_SWAT> first I used the one from the repos. That didn't work, so I tried to compile it from scratch
[05:05] <BoD_SWAT> nalioth, first I used the one from the repos. That didn't work, so I tried to compile it from scratch
[05:05] <Amaranth> that would rock
[05:05] <dimeo> what type of mountpoint should my usb keychain be set to?  It mounts and then disappears.
[05:05] <delire> Amaranth: would be nice.
[05:05] <Amaranth> with MOL for access to iApps
[05:05] <jdizzle> delire: whats pastebin
[05:05] <synd> i ran ubuntu on one of my imacs for a while
[05:05] <reka> Bizzeh: how many partitions do you currently have? just the one with windows on it?
[05:05] <Bizzeh> yes
[05:05] <nalioth> BoD_SWAT: hmm, i run PPC, you'd think the x86 (you are on x86, right) tree would be the same or more advanced
[05:05] <Amaranth> jdizzle: http://rafb.net/paste/
[05:05] <Bizzeh> i know to make one about 30gb big at the end
[05:05] <synd> but it doesnt support the damn airport card so i nixed it :/
[05:06] <danko123> whats a cube?
[05:06] <Amaranth> synd: blame broadcom
[05:06] <caine>  iv already read through that stuff and it didnt make sense to me either
[05:06] <delire> jdizzle: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/
[05:06] <nalioth> synd: thats why ubuntu isnt on my new 12" iBook (no APX support)
[05:06] <synd> Amaranth: i know :/
[05:06] <mon> hi, via nautilus i can access a smb drive, is there a -easy- way to "cd" into it via console?
[05:06] <marjorie-t> Perhaps the nvidia modeule doesnt like this crappy screen??
[05:06] <synd> nalioth: me too
[05:06] <Amaranth> delire: they don't make g4 cubes anymore
[05:06] <lonewolff> mon: mount the samba share
[05:06] <nalioth> danko123: r u serious?
[05:06] <delire> Amaranth: oh..
[05:06] <Amaranth> delire: those things were awesome, but they were really meant for OS X
[05:07] <BoD_SWAT> nalioth, I think I have the 'error'... please hold :P
[05:07] <mon> lonewolff: mount -t smbfs you mean?
[05:07] <lonewolff> yes
[05:07] <marjorie-t> Caine, if it didnt make sence then our replies to you wont be much help!
[05:07] <Amaranth> delire: running them with OS 9 is frustrating
[05:07] <danko123> nalioth: yeah, what a mac mini?
[05:07] <nalioth> danko123: apple's famous G4 cube?
[05:07] <nalioth> danko123: the mac mini is the bastard offspring of the cube
[05:07] <mon> lonewolff: i hoped there was a gui-way of doing it.. but thanks anyway
[05:07] <caine> when you guys tell me exactly how to type this stuff then it does help because im learning from that
[05:07] <synd> im putting a Mac Mini in my car
[05:07] <danko123> never heard of it I never really knew what Mac had b4 i bought this iBook.
[05:07] <nalioth> synd: KEWLness
[05:07] <caine> i cant learn from reading as easily as i can from doing
[05:07] <delire> Amaranth: i think the powerbooks are pretty horribly made however. sort of 'tinny' and the keyboards feel a bit cheap. the towers and cubes are quite appealing however.
[05:07] <lonewolff> mon: i wouldnt know sorry, no samab/windows here
[05:07] <reka> Bizzeh: rough guide: (1) backup important stuff (2) boot off ubuntu installation CD (3) when you reach the partition stage, select the windows partition and then the 'size' value  (4) - resize to make space for ubuntu (5) select newly freed space, choose automatic partition (6) when it asks if you want to install grub on mbr, choose yes.
[05:08] <spiral> hello
[05:08] <synd> nalioth: ive found a ton of free hotspots around town here
[05:08] <spiral> hmmm, could anyone point me to a backports repo for hoary ?
[05:08] <marjorie-t> Has anyone here run the nvidia kernel moduel on an Old 15" screen?
[05:08] <Echelon-H> How can I remove a game that was installed by a .run file?
[05:08] <Bizzeh> reka: windows partition is ntfs, that make a diff?
[05:08] <Amaranth> backports break things
[05:08] <spiral> backports.ubuntuforums.org/ doens't seem to work
[05:08] <synd> nalioth: i sat in fazolis parking lot and surfed the net :D
[05:08] <reka> Bizzeh: i recommend you google around or check the ubuntu sites for a more detailed guide.
[05:08] <caine> configure: error: Cannot find GTK: is gtk-config in path?
[05:08] <BoD_SWAT> nalioth, the problem is that gftp uses SSH, and the FTP server uses SSL
[05:08] <lonewolff> the origonal g4 powerbooks were nice, and titanium, now their magnesium and aluminium which is no fun
[05:08] <agnes> hey all!
[05:08] <spiral> Amaranth: under debian, they don't really often
[05:08] <jdizzle> delire: pasted it
[05:08] <agnes> what's the best way to get the newest OOo betas?
[05:08] <Bizzeh> reka: no, yours is fine, i dont use guides that are more than 10 steps long
[05:08] <delire> jdizzle: ok..
[05:08] <reka> Bizzeh: no, you can resize it.  but when you have ubuntu installed, you will only have read-access.
[05:09] <Bizzeh> thats ok
[05:09] <synd> lonewolff: the black ones?
[05:09] <Bizzeh> ok
[05:09] <synd> lonewolff: or was that the pbook g3
[05:09] <Bizzeh> bbl hopefully
[05:09] <marjorie-t> caine : check with this command : ECHO $PATH
[05:09] <reka> Bizzeh: good luck!
[05:09] <Amaranth> spiral: under ubuntu, they do
[05:09] <dimeo> Ok, when I try to unmount the floppy it says it can't because "umount: only root can unmount /dev/fd0 from /media/floppy0"
[05:09] <lonewolff> synd: that was a g3 the origonal g4 pbook looked like they do now, but was titanium and not aluminium
[05:09] <spiral> Amaranth: damn it... I miss my ol' debian sid
[05:09] <dimeo> any suggestions here?
[05:09] <Bizzeh> good job i got a new 160gb hdd yesterday to move all my music and tv shows to
[05:09] <delire> jdizzle: type 'uname -r'
[05:09] <Shuddertrix> dimeo: read what it says.
[05:09] <synd> lonewolff: ah yeah, the TiBOok
[05:09] <Bizzeh> and its also a good job i did it over last night
[05:10] <synd> TiBook
[05:10] <reka> dimeo: sudo
[05:10] <Bizzeh> 4 hrs to move 87gb
[05:10] <Amaranth> spiral: you could always ride the breezy trainwreck if you want things to break daily like sid :)
[05:10] <spiral> Amaranth: sid doesn't break daily...
[05:10] <kev0r> How do i play .ogm files, Mplayer wiht all codex, VLC nor totem-xine will play them
[05:10] <lonewolff> Bizzeh: thats not bad, it took me about 24 to move 120gb over nfs (10mbit wireless netowkr)
[05:10] <Amaranth> spiral: i last used it after warty released
[05:10] <spiral> I would consider breezy much more like experimental than like sid
[05:10] <Amaranth> spiral: after releases sid breaks a lot
[05:10] <lonewolff> kev0r: vlc will play ogm files
[05:10] <dimeo> Ok but for the user logged in they need to unmount the floppy without going root or sudo...
[05:10] <jdizzle> delire: 2.6.10-5-386
[05:10] <caine> caine@Caine:~/Desktop/My Documents/yahoo/gtkhtml-0.8$ ECHO $PATH bash: ECHO: command not found
[05:10] <delire> jdizzle: i don't think that is bad news. it's just a warning.
[05:10] <Bizzeh> lonewolff: this was just from 1 volume to another
[05:11] <kev0r> lonewolff: no it wont play these
[05:11] <synd> when should we update to breezy?
[05:11] <Fator_Dee> kev0r: that's odd, VLC atleast should play them
[05:11] <synd> im afraid to
[05:11] <lonewolff> kev0r: then theyre not ogm files :P
[05:11] <Echelon-H> is there anyway I can run xmms with repeat on?
[05:11] <Amaranth> synd: 2-3 months from now
[05:11] <Bizzeh> tryed to copy 30gb over a 100mbit network before
[05:11] <Fator_Dee> kev0r: are you sure the files are ok?
[05:11] <kev0r> :)
[05:11] <Bizzeh> slow as fuck
[05:11] <Bizzeh> woops
[05:11] <delire> jdizzle: 'cd .. && sh make_install.sh'
[05:11] <Bizzeh> excuse me
[05:11] <dimeo> The system can mount without going root or sudo.. shouldn't it unmount without going root or sudo?
[05:11] <kev0r> Fator_Dee: like 10 files all failing?
[05:11] <kev0r> Fator_Dee: i'll up one :)
[05:11] <Fator_Dee> kev0r: like, it should play them, but it's not?
[05:11] <Fator_Dee> kev0r: do yo uhave read permissions for the files?
[05:12] <littleworm> i tried to make the mouse extra buttons to work, so i had to cinfig something but now when start ubuntu it says: "i cant start the x server" some more shit and "configure GDM again and restart", what should i do?
[05:12] <reka> Echelon-H: enable repeat :-)
[05:12] <Bizzeh> reka: how do i set up grub to detect my windows partition os i can still boot that
[05:12] <caine> ok i have to go
[05:12] <kev0r> yes, btw Fator_Dee they are AVI's
[05:12] <kev0r> .avi
[05:12] <reka> Bizzeh: it will do it automatically.  when you'
[05:12] <jdizzle> delire: that worked out fine
[05:12] <kev0r> and i have .ogm files
[05:12] <delire> jdizzle: then edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to read 'fglrx' in place of your existing driver and restart X. then run 'glxinfo | grep direct'
[05:12] <kev0r> both are not playing, but normal DVDrips are playing
[05:12] <reka> *you're setting stuff up, refer to ubuntuguide.org
[05:12] <kev0r> xvid 'n shit
[05:12] <marjorie-t> bugger sry caine : echo $PATH
[05:12] <delire> jdizzle: i think you're done. that was just an obtuse warning.
[05:12] <Bizzeh> ogm is a container file, that can hold container files
[05:12] <BoD_SWAT> The problem is that gftp uses SSH2, and the FTP server uses SSL. And I NEED SSL ... :'-(   HELP
[05:12] <synd> im tired man, i spent the last 24 hrs in jail :x
[05:13] <Bizzeh> which alot of stuff doesnt like
[05:13] <jdizzle> delire: but it did b4 and the driver still didnt show
[05:13] <Bizzeh> esp mplayer
[05:13] <reka> Bizzeh: it has instructions for mounting NTFS
[05:13] <littleworm> i tried to make the mouse extra buttons to work, so i had to cinfig something but now when start ubuntu it says: "i cant start the x server" some more shit and "configure GDM again and restart", what should i do?
[05:13] <BoD_SWAT> kev0r, xvid works fine here. Just use mplayer with codecs
[05:13] <delire> jdizzle: 'modprobe -l | grep fglrx'
[05:13] <kev0r> BoD_SWAT: but the files are still not playing :)
[05:13] <delire> jdizzle: that looks for all available drivers, loaded or not.
[05:13] <capi> What is the samba mount point for a default windows XP setup?
[05:13] <synd> for those of you who have never spent a night in jail, i dont recommend it
[05:13] <kev0r> is there a small linux program that checks what codec the file is?
[05:13] <Fator_Dee> kev0r: what vlc says about the files when you are trying to view them?
[05:14] <kev0r> lemme run
[05:14] <Bizzeh> kev0r: ogm is a container, you can hold any movie data, and any sound data in there. the problem is when people put data in there in the form of a container... ie, putting ogg in as the sound, instead of raw vorbis
[05:14] <jdizzle> delire: what do i do with that
[05:14] <littleworm> i tried to make the mouse extra buttons to work, so i had to cinfig something but now when start ubuntu it says: "i cant start the x server" some more shit and "configure GDM again and restart", what should i do?
[05:14] <delire> jdizzle: 'modprobe -l' is useful. the '| grep fglrx' part just filters for fglrx
[05:14] <Fator_Dee> kev0r: and *don't* paste the output here
[05:14] <delire> jdizzle: did you get any return on that?
[05:14] <kev0r> nah :P
[05:14] <BoD_SWAT> kev0r, did you use the 'guide' and did you install the codecs etc?
[05:14] <jdizzle> delire: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko
[05:14] <reka> kev0r: type file <filename>
[05:14] <delire> jdizzle: great! now load it with 'modprobe fglrx'
[05:15] <delire> jdizzle: and you're nearly done..
[05:15] <capi> right now I'm using //SHARE/LOCAL_MNTPNT and that doesn't work... :\
[05:15] <delire> jdizzle: to see if it did load type 'lsmod | grep fglrx'. lsmod == list modules
[05:15] <nalioth> kev0r: file <filename>
[05:16] <nalioth> synd: paying for your dually?
[05:16] <kev0r> yes BoD_SWAT running XviDs 'n DivX almost evry day, even WMV
[05:16] <Bizzeh> right
[05:16] <Bizzeh> bbl
[05:16] <Bizzeh> i hope
[05:16] <jdizzle> delire: fglrx                 232444  0
[05:16] <kev0r> file Hajime_no_Ippo_-_01_\[Keep-Infusion\] \[50ef1a1e\] .avi
[05:16] <kev0r> Hajime_no_Ippo_-_01_[Keep-Infusion] [50ef1a1e] .avi: data
[05:16] <apollo2011>  I am trying to edit the Samba configuration in KControl and whenever I use Administrator Mode and enter my user password, it just goes back to the blue start page. I was able to edit the configuration before.
[05:16] <BoD_SWAT> kev0r, maybe the files are corrupt?
[05:16] <kev0r> :) that's not helping
[05:16] <BoD_SWAT> nalioth, The problem is that gftp uses SSH2, and the FTP server uses SSL. And I NEED SSL ... :'-(   HELP
[05:16] <delire> jdizzle: more good news. now have you ever edited your xorg.conf before?
[05:16] <kev0r> then bout 20 files are corrupt?
[05:16] <kev0r> i'll check the md5hash code :)
[05:17] <Fator_Dee> kev0r: and check the sfv
[05:17] <jdizzle> i had to once
[05:17] <jdizzle> delire: ya
[05:17] <jdizzle> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:17] <delire> jdizzle: ok you should look at your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and see if you can find the section 'Driver'
[05:17] <kev0r> btw: vlc has no output, just stops playing
[05:17] <nalioth> BoD_SWAT: and whomever you are leeching from isnt using a sshd also?
[05:18] <ccc_> how update apt-get
[05:18] <ccc_> ??
[05:18] <reka> kev0r: what the output should have looked like: /home/justin/videos/abi1.avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 704 x 384, 25.00 fps, video: DivX 5, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 48000 Hz)
[05:18] <delire> jdizzle: you may have "ati" or "vesa" in there now. whatever is in there currently, change to fglrx.
[05:18] <danko123> sudo apt-get update?
[05:18] <nalioth> ccc_: you have it backwards "sudo apt-get update"
[05:18] <kev0r> hmm
[05:18] <delire> jdizzle: then restart X by logging out and back in (even reboot to be sure).
[05:18] <ccc_> ok
[05:18] <ccc_> thx
[05:18] <jdizzle> delire: k brb
[05:18] <danko123> k
[05:18] <reka> kev0r: try renaming
[05:18] <reka> the file
[05:19] <kev0r> $ file DBGT_01_-_A_Grand_Problem_-_\[aX\] .ogm
[05:19] <kev0r> DBGT_01_-_A_Grand_Problem_-_[aX] .ogm: data
[05:19] <littleworm> i tried to make the mouse extra buttons to work, so i had to config something but now when start ubuntu it says: "i cant start the x server" some more shit and "configure GDM again and restart", what should i do?
[05:19] <BoD_SWAT> nalioth, for the record. It's my own FTP (so I can access my files from everywhere). And no, only using ssl.
[05:19] <kev0r> haha, fucking with me too...
[05:19] <nalioth> BoD_SWAT: then use sshd
[05:19] <danko123> delire, could you help us as well, with X...?
[05:19] <danko123> doesnt start at this time.
[05:19] <nalioth> BoD_SWAT: its just as easy, plus more secure
[05:19] <delire> danko123: xorg?
[05:19] <Gus_> hello
[05:19] <dimeo> I'm beginning to think Xandros or Mepis is a better distro.... the floppy and usb memory sticks actually work right after installing the OS...
[05:20] <danko123> delire: we did http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto for hoary, step by step, I think...we did sudo dpkg --reconfigure xserve..... and it is kinda hard, it ahs many options.
[05:20] <BoD_SWAT> nalioth, but that means you need to 'open up' your sshd login (port). So the encryption could be more secure, but the way you use it, is less secure
[05:20] <danko123> rebooted, no X still.
[05:20] <nalioth> dimeo: whatever works for YOU
[05:20] <Gus_> i have this weird thing happening: when i want to launch Firefox through the shortcut on the panel, it seems to load, then stops, and nothing happens. when i run the command line in term, it launches perfectly... same for thunderbird btw... any idea ?
[05:20] <BoD_SWAT> nalioth, but you don't know of a way to get it working with ssl?
[05:20] <danko123> delire, yes, xorg, I think.
[05:20] <nalioth> BoD_SWAT: you do use good password habits, eh?
[05:20] <dimeo> did no one else here have this problem?
[05:20] <nalioth> BoD_SWAT: not gftp
[05:21] <reka> danko123: like i said, you should avoid using reconfigure if possible.  the howto only told you to change "ati" to "fglrx" iirc
[05:21] <BoD_SWAT> nalioth, OK. Thnx. Any substitutes you know of?
[05:21] <_kevin> can some one tell me how ic an obtain ices2 version 2.0.1 since that version has alsa support
[05:21] <_kevin> i tried apt-get install ices2 but it installs version 2.0.0
[05:21] <dimeo> It's not like my floppy is an unusual piece of hardware that needs Windows specific drivers  !
[05:21] <danko123> reka: Ive had ppl recommend that b4, well, I screwed up:9
[05:21] <danko123> :9
[05:21] <danko123> funk.
[05:21] <danko123> delire, so can you help us?
[05:22] <Gus_> anyone ? =/
[05:22] <nalioth> BoD_SWAT: sorry not for linux, although there are several out there, i only use gftp with my home ssh'd network (i'm behind a router/firewall)
[05:22] <delire> danko123: did you back up your last config?
[05:22] <danko123> not even:(
[05:22] <danko123> what can he do
[05:22] <danko123> ?
[05:22] <reka> Gus_: what is the command in the shortcut properties?
[05:22] <danko123> I screwed that up a bit...
[05:23] <AlwaysModest> is there any way for me to see how much ram is installed in my system, that is, w/o opening it up
[05:23] <BoD_SWAT> nalioth, http://www.iglooftp.com/linux/features.html
[05:23] <delire> danko123: i don't run xorg. though look in /var/log/X.org.log (ISTR).
[05:23] <Gus_> reka, for firefox it's the standard one, but i added sudo to it (so: "sudo firefox %u" without quotes)
[05:23] <BoD_SWAT> nalioth, only it's commercial :'(
[05:23] <delire> danko123: what is the error when you try to 'startx' from the console?
[05:23] <reka> Gus_: remove sudo. :-)
[05:23] <nalioth> BoD_SWAT: there are several for linux that are not
[05:23] <nalioth> BoD_SWAT: try freshmeat.net or sourceforge.net
[05:24] <danko123> delire, his lsmod | grep fglrx returns the fglrx       229568  0 thing
[05:24] <Gus_> reka, it used to work with sudo =/
[05:24] <BoD_SWAT> nalioth, thnx 4 all. I'll go on a hunt now ;-)
[05:24] <Fator_Dee> Gus_: not adviced to run browsers as root
[05:24] <Gus_> reka, i do that because i need to access a FAT32 partition and for some reason, i can't give my "user" the right to write on it
[05:24] <Gus_> Fator_Dee,  i guess so, malicious code and stuff, but see my explanation above =)
[05:25] <reka> Gus_: i fail to see how firefox would have anything to do with FAT acces. :-)
[05:25] <Fator_Dee> Gus_: but you should correct it by other means :-p
[05:25] <lonewolff> GUS_: should work if you chown the directory to be owned by the user
[05:25] <lonewolff> s/directory/mount point
[05:25] <danko123> delire: just a sec.
[05:25] <Gus_> reka, i set a profile on a FAT32 partition to use it on both XP and ubuntu, and wen i try to create a profile on it, Firefox tells me it can't
[05:25] <Gus_> using sudo, it could
[05:25] <reka> ah
[05:25] <Fator_Dee> Gus_: permission problems then?
[05:26] <Gus_> lonewolff, care to explain how please ? thanks =D
[05:26] <lonewolff> Gus_: open up a terminal
[05:26] <Gus_> Fator_Dee,  i tried to change the permission but it wouldn't work, so i guess i didn't do it properly =)
[05:26] <danko123> delire:  first..it skips 3 directories
[05:26] <dimeo> whats the /dev/sdb1? anyone?
[05:26] <Fator_Dee> Gus_: I'd guess so too :-p
[05:26] <Gus_> done sir =)
[05:26] <danko123> delire: then it says (EE) No devices detected.
[05:26] <danko123> dimeo: maybe a USB device.
[05:26] <lonewolff> Gus_: then run chown youruser /media/whereveritmountsto
[05:27] <lonewolff> sorry sudo chown
[05:27] <Gus_> i had corrected =)
[05:27] <reka> danko123: post your xorg.conf file in a pastebin
[05:27] <danko123> not possible...
[05:27] <lonewolff> Gus_: that worked the last time i tried it
[05:27] <danko123> reka, cause the guy doesnt have X.
[05:27] <raDeon> I WANT PICTURE OF HOT DEBIAN WOMAN
[05:27] <Gus_> lonewolff, chown: changing ownership of `/datashare/': Operation not permitted
[05:27] <danko123> why not just hot woman?
[05:27] <raDeon> i don't care
[05:27] <Fator_Dee> raDeon: WWW.GOOGLE.COM
[05:28] <raDeon> i just figure
[05:28] <Gus_> was the same with /datashare without te ending /
[05:28] <capi> anyone know how to mount samba?
[05:28] <danko123> Fator_Dee: :)
[05:28] <dimeo> radeon she may be hot but she can't have a social life and use debian
[05:28] <lonewolff> Gus_: using sudo?
[05:28] <raDeon> it's linux so i will try to be on topic
[05:28] <reka> raDeon: join #debian and ask for dpkg
[05:28] <Gus_> lonewolff, aye
[05:28] <raDeon> dimeo, i dont care if she has no social life.
[05:28] <lonewolff> and try to do it when the fat32 partion is not mounted and then remount it
[05:28] <Gus_> ok
[05:28] <raDeon> as long as she uses irc and is hot
[05:28] <Gus_> will try
[05:28] <danko123> reka: any other ideas?
[05:28] <AlwaysModest> is there anyway to see how much ram is installed on my system?
[05:28] <delire> danko123: ok. and you are trying to use fglrx also?
[05:28] <danko123> delire: this is the next thing it says: XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server "0:0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. .
[05:28] <dimeo> radeon why you gonna give her one? =)
[05:29] <danko123> yeah, well, his card is x700
[05:29] <reka> danko123: does he know how to use an editor that doesn't need X?
[05:29] <Shuddertrix> dimeo: I beg to differ.
[05:29] <danko123> that is the proper one.
[05:29] <delire> danko123: sorry, i have no idea where you are upto or what you're trying to do.
[05:29] <danko123> reka: yeah, hes pretty handy..
[05:29] <Gus_> lonewolff, cannot, "device is busy" ^
[05:29] <danko123> delire: we are not able to start X, the graphics card is ATI x700, and he is using Hoary.
[05:29] <Gus_> oh cool, worked
[05:29] <ubuntu> how do i get the right codecs to play this .avi file?
[05:30] <danko123> delire: we have followed http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto and still X is not working.
[05:30] <reka> danko123: i'd like to know what he has as Driver:
[05:30] <danko123> is that all?
[05:30] <reka> under his VG Device section
[05:30] <nalioth> brb
[05:30] <toxicfume> hey
[05:30] <danko123> hey
[05:30] <raDeon> dimeo, i'm going to make babies
[05:30] <danko123> so, reka, can you try helping toxicfume?
[05:30] <danko123> I have to go lay down again, Im sick.
[05:31] <Fanskapet> danko123, black screen at xorg startup?
[05:31] <toxicfume> danko123: thanks for helping:)
[05:31] <danko123> yup.
[05:31] <toxicfume> reka: how do i find that out?
[05:31] <Fanskapet> ahh same for me then
[05:31] <toxicfume> Fanskapet: yup
[05:31] <dimeo> shuddertrix  I bet it took a few hours to get your debian set up.  I've spent all weekend just to get the basics set up, like a stinkin wifi and floppy
[05:31] <Fanskapet> i gave it up :)
[05:31] <reka> toxicfume: : change the Driver under your VG Device section to "ati" so you can at least boot back into gnome or whatever.
[05:31] <toxicfume> reka: how do i do that?
[05:31] <Fanskapet> my first thought was that it was some frequenzy problem, but it wasn't :)
[05:32] <Gus_> lonewolff, still the same problem: when i run firefox (without sudo this time), and chose my profile, located in /datashare/somedir/someotherdir/ it tells me the profile's in use
[05:32] <Fanskapet> actually i haven't got a clue what's wrong
[05:32] <reka> toxicfume: where are you now? in console?
[05:32] <danko123> he is talking about the /etc/x11/xorg.conf file
[05:32] <toxicfume> reka: yes
[05:32] <Gus_> which is why i used sudo in the first place, for with sudo it didn't tell me such thing
[05:32] <Windowsrules> If i install Ubuntu, do I risk damaginf my boot order. (I use a Gentoo-installed Grub now)
[05:32] <reka> toxicfume: do you know how to use an editor that doesn't use X?
[05:32] <danko123> windows rules........
[05:32] <toxicfume> reka: i can use nano
[05:32] <dimeo> how do I make it so the floppy can be unmounted without using sudo.
[05:32] <Fanskapet> ee is a nice little tool
[05:33] <Shuddertrix> dimeo: no, i was talking about "debian girls have no social life" comment you made.
[05:33] <Windowsrules> danko123: Yes, it does doesn't it. :)
[05:33] <danko123> no
[05:33] <reka> toxicfume: OK, edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and change the Driver attribute under you're video card Device section back to "ati"
[05:33] <toxicfume> reka: okay one sec
[05:33] <robert_> how do i find out my root password?
[05:33] <ccc> ccc_: is that your regular nick? what a coinsidence. =)
[05:33] <dimeo> shuddertrix yea I know.  Any those .deb girls, still have to spend hours typing root commands to get their distro working.  unless their IT manager does it for them ;)
[05:34] <danko123> robert_: by default there is none set.
[05:34] <reka> robert_: thre isn't one, use *your* password.
[05:34] <delire> danko123: can you 'modprobe -l | grep fglrx'
[05:34] <Martin> Like this then?
[05:34] <danko123> he did
[05:34] <robert_> im trying to install a java plugin, nd i need to type in "su" at the terminal, but its asking me for a password
[05:34] <danko123> delire: he did.
[05:34] <Shuddertrix> dimeo: my wife tripleboots windows/sid/hoary, and she's teh hawt
[05:34] <dimeo> My wife is gonna be a hot debian girl when I finally get this stinkin think working
[05:34] <delire> danko123: who's 'he'?
[05:34] <danko123> delire: its toxicfume.
[05:34] <Shuddertrix> and she manages a social life
[05:34] <delire> danko123: ahah
[05:34] <Martin> If i install Ubuntu, do I risk damaging my boot order. (I use a Gentoo-installed Grub now)
[05:34] <Shuddertrix> she knows as much about linux as I do, which is plenty I suppose..
[05:35] <reka> robert_: type in your user passwrod
[05:35] <danko123> sudo modprobe fglrx 10:16:52) danko123: lsmod | grep fglrx actually
[05:35] <robert_> doesnt work
[05:35] <dimeo> shuddertrix no shit?  kudos man
[05:35] <toxicfume> reka: okay, edited
[05:35] <delire> danko123: right. and your /etc/X11/xorg.conf has the driver listed in the Driver section?
[05:35] <reka> toxicfume: try startx
[05:35] <danko123> so you guys gonna post those pictures:-p
[05:35] <danko123> delire: toxicfume...
[05:35] <Shuddertrix> plus, she games and works out with me. i'm probably the luckiest guy in the world ;)
[05:36] <reka> delire: i told him to change back to "ati" so he can at least post his xorg.conf file into a pastebin
[05:36] <danko123> dimeo, Shuddertrix, posting those pictures?
[05:36] <robert_> user password doesnt work
[05:36] <danko123> haha, for me and raDeon.
[05:36] <Shuddertrix> danko123: I told you yesterday, no pictures!
[05:36] <danko123> Shuddertrix: you had?
[05:36] <toxicfume> reka: black screen
[05:36] <Shuddertrix> unless you have the knowledege of getting into my /photos or /shared/photos!
[05:36] <toxicfume> reka: doesn't seem to work
[05:36] <dimeo> shure... just google hot wife pix
[05:36] <delire> toxicfume: and your /etc/X11/xorg.conf has the driver listed next to 'Driver' in the Devices section?
[05:37] <reka> toxicfume: can you get back to console?
[05:37] <dimeo> you'll find one
[05:37] <Shuddertrix> Maybe not you, danko123 , but i did to raDeon
[05:37] <danko123> delire: which driver, anyhow?
[05:37] <Bizzeh> reka: install locks up at "testing network repository"
[05:37] <danko123> ah, kk...
[05:37] <delire> reka: so he's tried to startx with the fglrx entry in his config?
[05:37] <toxicfume> delire: yes, i just chagned it to "ati" like reka told me to
[05:37] <danko123> Im fine, for your wives, tho:)
[05:37] <delire> danko123: fglrx no?
[05:37] <nalioth> back (as can obviously be seen)
[05:37] <toxicfume> reka: okay i'll get back to console now
[05:37] <danko123> delire, reka told him to change it to ati.
[05:37] <delire> toxicfume: you can't start X with fglrx in your Devices section?
[05:37] <danko123> ok, synch you 3 somehow, get on the same page.
[05:38] <danko123> communicate:)
[05:38] <reka> Bizzeh: ouch.  how many times did you try?
[05:38] <reka> danko123: lol
[05:38] <Rebroad> Hi. Anyone here know how to write a CD if one has zero free disk space please?
[05:38] <toxicfume> delire: yes i can..but i did that before and i get an error(in the blue screen)
[05:38] <agnes> hey all! Quick Q: I just discovered a "hack" to make it so the openoffice.org2 packages from hoary can be VERY easily replaced with any new beta.. How can I disseminate this? (mv /usr/lib/openoffice2 /usr/lib/openoffice2-old ; ln -s /opt/openoffice.org1.9.105 /usr/lib/openoffice2)
[05:38] <toxicfume> delire: and it shows a log
[05:38] <Bizzeh> ohh, it just changed to "testing security update repository"
[05:38] <delire> toxicfume: paste the error to a pastebin if you can.
[05:38] <Bizzeh> took about 15 mins
[05:38] <robert_> y cant i create any folders?
[05:39] <reka> delire: which is why i told him to change back to "ati" so he could at least boot back into gnome
[05:39] <danko123> agnes: post it on the forums, wiki, or something liek that.
[05:39] <delire> reka: ok
[05:39] <reka> delire: he doesn't have X! :-)
[05:39] <delire> toxicfume: have you used vim or nano before?
[05:39] <_kevin> can some one tell me how ic an obtain ices2 version 2.0.1 since that version has alsa support
[05:39] <_kevin> i tried apt-get install ices2 but it installs version 2.0.0
[05:39] <delire> reka: right..
[05:39] <danko123> he uses nano
[05:39] <toxicfume> delire: i'm pretty familiar with nano by now :)
[05:39] <reka> danko123: we're going down the same path again :-)
[05:39] <agnes> danko123: Where?
[05:39] <robert_> why can't I create a folder?
[05:40] <danko123> ubuntuforums.org ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[05:40] <raDeon> robert_, because you're a moron.
[05:40] <delire> toxicfume: what are the lines next to EE in you /var/log/X.org.log (guessing the logname, i don't use xorg)
[05:40] <raDeon> sorry
[05:40] <robert_> lol
[05:40] <danko123> robert_: where?
[05:40] <dimeo> ok someone must know how to set it up so everyone can unmount a floppy without using sudo
[05:40] <robert_> anywhere
[05:40] <toxicfume> delire: one sec
[05:40] <danko123> raDeon: lol...you are funny, amn.
[05:40] <robert_> well
[05:40] <robert_> in my urs folder
[05:40] <danko123> mkdir
[05:40] <robert_> usr*
[05:40] <delire> robert_: because you're trying to do it in a directory you don't have write permissions to?
[05:40] <Bizzeh> is crap downloading when "configuring apt" is doing on??
[05:40] <danko123> sudo mkdir will create one anywhere.
[05:40] <robert_> is that the padlock?
[05:40] <delire> robert_: yes
[05:40] <reka> Bizzeh: no.
[05:40] <Rebroad> robert_: it's called security
[05:41] <robert_> so how do i give myself write permissions in that folder?
[05:41] <Bizzeh> why it take 20 mins to just do that then?
[05:41] <Rebroad> robert_: why would you want them?
[05:41] <robert_> coz i want to install a java plugin
[05:41] <robert_> and it says i need to make a directory
[05:41] <reka> Bizzeh: what is your system?
[05:41] <danko123> aha, yeah, sudo mkdir.
[05:41] <delire> robert_: chown -R YOUR-USERNAME directory/
[05:41] <Rebroad> robert_: Do you need the java plugin for all users, or just for one user?
[05:41] <Bizzeh> ?
[05:41] <danko123> no...dont even do that...
[05:41] <robert_> just one i guess
[05:42] <Bizzeh> what you mean reka?
[05:42] <Rebroad> robert_: then install the plugin in the user directory area instead.
[05:42] <reka> robert_: your home folder is ~   /usr is not your "user folder"
[05:42] <robert_> oh
[05:42] <reka> Bizzeh: system specs?  do you have an old comp.?
[05:42] <GNAM> bochs 2.2 OUT!
[05:42] <delire> robert_: chown == change ownership. 'ls -l some-directory' reveals who the owner of that directory is.
[05:42] <reka> robert_: places->home
[05:43] <reka> *home folder
[05:43] <nalioth> GNAM: and bochs 2.2 does what in a new way?
[05:43] <Bizzeh> asrock board, amd 2200+ t'bred
[05:43] <Rebroad> robert_: you generally don't want to chown system directories. /usr is a system directory
[05:43] <robert_> oh ok
[05:43] <Bizzeh> 768ddr400 ram
[05:43] <robert_> shud i put it in my home directory?
[05:43] <toxicfume> delire: There's "(EE) Unable to find a framebuffer device", "(EE) RADEON(0): Failed to open framebuffer device, consult warnings and/or error...etc" <-- it's a text message
[05:43] <GNAM> look at official site.
[05:43] <Rebroad> robert_: i would if it's just for one user
[05:43] <Shuddertrix> nalioth: check the CHANGES file at the bochs' site
[05:43] <delire> robert_: don't touch anything outside of /home/your-username unless you absolutely know what you are doing.
[05:43] <raDeon> yes, who called me
[05:44] <robert_> ouch
[05:44] <robert_> ok
[05:44] <robert_> but i still cant install it
[05:44] <reka> robert_: you can do whatever you want :-)  maybe make a "My Downloads" folder or something
[05:44] <nalioth> Shuddertrix: yes i know, i was enquiring as to GNAM's obvious excitement!
[05:44] <delire> toxicfume: 'lsmod -l | grep fb'
[05:44] <robert_> i need to type in su
[05:44] <robert_> then it asks for a password
[05:44] <robert_> i tried all my passwords
[05:44] <Rebroad> robert_: what is this plugin called?
[05:44] <Bizzeh> it seems to be working now, rebooted and unpacking modules now
[05:44] <Bizzeh> so
[05:44] <robert_> jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586
[05:44] <Bizzeh> should be good
[05:44] <Rebroad> robert_: is you use "sudo" instead of "su" it asks for your user password
[05:44] <delire> robert_: one of the reasons linux is so secure, you can't manipulate system directories without the appropriate permissions.
[05:44] <Bizzeh> on gf's laptop till its installed
[05:44] <danko123> su wont work, robert.
[05:44] <danko123> you have to enable it, first.
[05:45] <Bizzeh> gotta love wireless
[05:45] <danko123> And I wont tell you how, cause its wrong.
[05:45] <robert_> ooh
[05:45] <Shuddertrix> nalioth: a new vga option, cirrus. probably the biggest change.
[05:45] <toxicfume> delire: okay.. that returns "Usage: lsmod"
[05:45] <reka> Bizzeh: did you work out the resizing stuff OK?
[05:45] <danko123> Just use sudo
[05:45] <danko123> sudo command
[05:45] <nalioth> Shuddertrix: GNAM trying to make a little conversation so some of these peeps who may be ignorant of bochs could become interested if they knew what it was
[05:45] <robert_> kk
[05:45] <Rebroad> Hi. Anyone here know how to write a CD if one has zero free disk space please?
[05:45] <robert_> sudo wat?
[05:45] <delire> toxicfume: that was an L 'l' not a one 1
[05:45] <danko123> Rebroad: likely no way to do it...
[05:45] <sijmen> i have installed a ubuntu server, and a ubuntu client, the first with 'server' install, the other default. i've also set up a network in which they both reside. now i'd like to add ldap authentication, so that the client authenticates logins against the server. i've already found serveral howto's that describe how to achieve this with pam_ldap, but tho things i cannot find out: first, i needed to import some ldif file, with the entries. this prob
[05:45] <Bizzeh> reka: yes. the one on the ubuntu cd is billions of times faster than partition magic
[05:46] <toxicfume> delire: yes i did type -l
[05:46] <reka> robert_: the syntax is "sudo <command>" where sudo stands for "super user do"
[05:46] <robert_> oo
[05:46] <delire> toxicfume: sorry my mistake! i was thinking 'modprobe' ;)
[05:46] <toxicfume> lol okay
[05:46] <delire> toxicfume: lsmod | grep fb
[05:46] <Bizzeh> is there any way of enabling su in ubuntu?
[05:46] <toxicfume> delire: alright
[05:46] <delire> toxicfume: too many things at the same time
[05:46] <robert_> got it
[05:46] <Rebroad> Bizzeh: su is enabled
[05:46] <toxicfume> delire: nevermind :)
[05:47] <Rebroad> Bizzeh: It's just that root has not password until you give it one
[05:47] <toxicfume> delire: okay that retunrs a list
[05:47] <danko123> robert_: what are you installing, Java?
[05:47] <Bizzeh> ahh
[05:47] <robert_> yeah
[05:47] <robert_> manually
[05:47] <danko123> Which walkthru are you following?
[05:47] <beginner> where can i put  eth0 static?
[05:47] <danko123> is it a jre, or a jdk?
[05:47] <robert_> um
[05:47] <robert_> jre i believe
[05:47] <Bizzeh> sort of "we made this so you cant mess it up by default... if you mess it up.. its totaly your own fault"
[05:47] <danko123> oik, which walkthru are you following?
[05:47] <robert_> the online one
[05:47] <robert_> the java one at their site
[05:47] <danko123> online wheer?
[05:47] <danko123> aha, wrong...
[05:47] <delire> toxicfume: do you see anything like 'radeonfb.ko'?
[05:47] <robert_> http://java.com/en/download/help/5000010500.xml#selfextracting
[05:47] <g14> jre = java runtime environment, jdk = java development kit. Unless you compile java, you want the jre
[05:47] <danko123> let me tell you...
[05:47] <danko123> :)
[05:48] <Alinux> how can I condivide internet connection with WMware 5.0 in Ubuntu... there is bridge connecion.
[05:48] <beginner>  what is command for eth0 static?
[05:48] <robert_> yeah i got the jre
[05:48] <Alinux> ?
[05:48] <delire> toxicfume: or anything like fb_dev.ko?
[05:48] <toxicfume> delire: nope
[05:48] <toxicfume> delire: not that too, the closest i see it fbcon
[05:48] <delire> toxicfume: did you dpkg-rconfigure your xserver at any point?
[05:48] <delire> toxicfume: dpkg-reconfigure*, i meant to say
[05:48] <toxicfume> delire: a few times already
[05:49] <toxicfume> yup
[05:49] <danko123> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java or http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[05:49] <delire> toxicfume: you need to disable framebuffer devices. you have none loaded so X isn't starting.
[05:49] <danko123> robert^
[05:49] <Rebroad> robert_: use www.ubuntuguide.org instead
[05:49] <delire> toxicfume: this, i believe is your problem
[05:49] <raDeon> haha robert
[05:49] <beginner> hao i change my ip?
[05:49] <delire> toxicfume: this, i believe is your problem
[05:49] <toxicfume> delire: how do i do that? in dpkg-reconfigure again?
[05:49] <nalioth> beginner: iwconfig
[05:49] <robert_> ok
[05:49] <danko123> nalioth: ???
[05:50] <danko123> for eth0 static?
[05:50] <medkit> hi all
[05:50] <toxicfume> delire: i dont think s actually, cause i have tried reconfigure with framebuffer off..and still it didnt work
[05:50] <robert_> thx
[05:50] <reka> someone recommended this guide over ubguide's: http://serios.net/content/debian/java/with-java-package.php
[05:50] <delire> toxicfume: yes, or edit the file manually.
[05:50] <toxicfume> *so
[05:50] <nalioth> danko123: i'm jumpin in and out of the chair here
[05:50] <nalioth> danko123: sorry i answered an old question
[05:50] <nich> Could someone tell me what to do to get a gnome session running if a new user with nothing on its home dir won't even load gnome past the splash screen?
[05:50] <danko123> why are you always apologizing?
[05:50] <beginner> nalioth i have that eth0      no wireless extensions.
[05:50] <nich> (after an upgrade from warty to hoary)
[05:50] <delire> toxicfume: ahah, well the error above points to x.org expecting a framebuffer device. try
[05:50] <beginner> i can not means?
[05:50] <nalioth> danko123: how do YOU change your IP?
[05:51] <danko123> :)
[05:51] <danko123> what?
[05:51] <toxicfume> delire: okay, do you knwo whcih file to edit? the reconfigure process is long and i dunn wanna go through all that just to chagne framebuffer to "no" :P
[05:51] <beginner> i cant browse on port 80
[05:51] <danko123> beginner: ping www.google.com
[05:51] <delire> toxicfume: how about 'cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Frame'
[05:51] <beginner> is pinging
[05:51] <raDeon> Question.
[05:51] <danko123> and, firewalls? routers?
[05:51] <raDeon> is ubuntu a "newb" distro
[05:51] <we2by> how do I flush my firewall rules?
[05:51] <delire> toxicfume: this is the file to edit. your X config: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:51] <dimeo> is a floppy format vfat or msdos?
[05:51] <danko123> youre a newbie distro...
[05:51] <danko123> vfat I think
[05:51] <Shuddertrix> raDeon: not exactly, in my opinion
[05:51] <raDeon> im not a distro at all
[05:51] <nalioth> beginner: changing IPs is a long way from "cant browse on port 80"
[05:52] <danko123> sure you are...
[05:52] <dimeo> radeon I wouldn't say so
[05:52] <Rebroad> we2by: pull the chain?
[05:52] <danko123> c'mon now...
[05:52] <we2by> yep
[05:52] <nalioth> raDeon: as easy as you want it to be. its debian underneath
[05:52] <we2by> c;ear all rules
[05:52] <raDeon> would you say it's good for newbies but the advanced linux user will like it
[05:52] <danko123> beginner: router? firewall?
[05:52] <reka> danko123: hehe
[05:52] <toxicfume> delire: that cat command didn't return anything
[05:52] <delire> raDeon: kind of. Mepis is possibly moreso.
[05:52] <we2by> Rebroad, any idea?
[05:52] <Shuddertrix> raDeon: hey, i am an advanced linux user, and I like it. ;)
[05:52] <Rebroad> we2by: depends on which firewall you are using
[05:52] <delire> toxicfume: ok.. well X is looking for one.
[05:52] <raDeon> i'm an advanced linux user too
[05:52] <danko123> raDeon: so so, its not good for newbies with fancy comptuers.
[05:52] <dimeo> radeon it's still a long way off from being suitable for noobs  I've spent all weekend to get it working with the basics and I'm a hacker compared to most computer users I know
[05:52] <novaflare> well radeon i a linux noob and found ubuntu to be damn easy to install
[05:52] <Bizzeh> wooo
[05:53] <Bizzeh> kubuntu boots
[05:53] <Bizzeh> now
[05:53] <Tolja> Hi
[05:53] <Bizzeh> i just hope windows works
[05:53] <raDeon> i think i will like ubuntu
[05:53] <Tolja> I'm having problems with the installer
[05:53] <dimeo> novaflare but did your wireless work, floppy work, usbmemory work, mp3's and videos play right after you installed the distro?
[05:53] <toxicfume> delire: okay..so i change "UseFBDev" "true" to "UseFBDev" "false" ?
[05:53] <Tolja> What to put in the domain name field?
[05:54] <danko123> raDeon: Its good for like standard hardware, for weird graphics cards, and sound cards, and wireless, so so...not sure how it compares to otehr linuxex, cause I only use thios one.
[05:54] <novaflare> well im not on wireless
[05:54] <Tolja> I'd like to download files from internet
[05:54] <delire> dimeo: if you want all that to work try Mepis or Xandros, though both ship alot of non-free software to acheive it.
[05:54] <novaflare> and not had a floopy for ever heh
[05:54] <delire> toxicfume: yes ;)
[05:54] <danko123> Tolja: what exactly would you like?
[05:54] <delire> toxicfume: then i think you'll be in business.
[05:54] <danko123> a link to the dowbnload of Ubuntu?
[05:54] <reka> Bizzeh: good job.  now consult ubuntuguide.org for stuff like auto-mounting your ntfs partition
[05:54] <dimeo> Xandros was a smooth install. I've heard mepis is goot too. but Xandros didn't have as many files in the apt-get
[05:54] <robert_> i installed java in my home folder, but when i go to a site that needs java, it doesnt recognize that i downloaded it
[05:54] <toxicfume> delire: okay :) and how about the Driver name? should i leave it as "ati" ? ot back to "fglrx" ?
[05:54] <dimeo> delire I agree
[05:55] <danko123> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
[05:55] <delire> toxicfume: back to fglrx ;)
[05:55] <toxicfume> delire: okay
[05:55] <dimeo> is a floppy a vfat format?
[05:55] <Rebroad> robert_: did you create links in your plugins folder for your browser?
[05:55] <medkit> i have a question about bootloader grub
[05:55] <toxicfume> delire: startx now?
[05:55] <robert_> how i do that?
[05:55] <Rebroad> robert_: what browser are you using?
[05:55] <robert_> mozilla
[05:55] <danko123> robert_: did you follow ubuntuguide.org?
[05:55] <delire> dimeo: my girlfriend and i installed Mepis on 30 dell workstations in 4.5 hours. all worked out-of-the-box. java, video, mounting usb-storage devices et al. network shares also.. impressive.
[05:56] <robert_> it doesnt say much
[05:56] <delire> toxicfume: yes
[05:56] <reka> toxicfume: so what was the problem? :-)
[05:56] <Tolja> danko123, i'm configuring network in the installer but i don't get it to work :/
[05:56] <robert_> sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[05:56] <robert_> java -version
[05:56] <reka> robert_: close mozilla. open mozilla. :-)
[05:56] <nalioth> danko123: i'm gettin tired of ubuntuguide
[05:56] <danko123> Tolja: pppoe?
[05:56] <nalioth> danko123: i've found several screwed up things there
[05:56] <danko123> nalioth: well, for this guy, for that issue, it is the right thing.
[05:56] <delire> reka: framebuffer devices, he has none defined yet his config was told to look for one.
[05:56] <toxicfume> delire: nope, doesn't work :S
[05:56] <robert_> still doesnt work
[05:56] <Tolja> danko123, what? :)
[05:56] <delire> toxicfume: what is the error. read the logs.
[05:56] <Rebroad> robert_: what browser?
[05:57] <delire> toxicfume: you may have several errors.
[05:57] <robert_> mozilla
[05:57] <robert_> the default one
[05:57] <danko123> Tolja: your install does not get to configure the network, right, are you usign DSL, by any chance?
[05:57] <Rebroad> robert_: firefox?
[05:57] <medkit> grub resides in hd1,0
[05:57] <delire> toxicfume: also, did you 'modprobe fglrx' first?
[05:57] <robert_> oh rite
[05:57] <delire> toxicfume: you must have the driver _loaded_
[05:57] <Tolja> danko123, i'm using dsl right
[05:57] <nalioth> danko123: wish some of it worked for me
[05:57] <robert_> mozilla - firefox :-\
[05:57] <danko123> nalioth: yeah, me too.
[05:57] <danko123> :)
[05:57] <danko123> Tolja: well, taht is why dhcp wont work on install.
[05:58] <toxicfume> delire: (EE) No devices detected.
[05:58] <OLdNavY> Hi
[05:58] <danko123> once you are installed, run sudo pppoeconf and set up your DSL.
[05:58] <OLdNavY> anybody can help me incase he is the boSs?
[05:58] <toxicfume> delire: no i didn't do that first
[05:58] <medkit> grub is booting Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-5-k7, Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-2-k7 and windoze
[05:58] <Chambers`> anyone tried wine with winetools?  I keep getting errors saying wine.bin regedit, doesn't know the command
[05:58] <delire> toxicfume: and fglrx is loaded? check with 'lsmod | grep fglrx'
[05:58] <Rebroad> robert_: http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/faq#q2.2
[05:58] <danko123> Im off to bed, 4 real now.
[05:58] <toxicfume> delire: yes, it returns fglrx 229568 0
[05:59] <OLdNavY> Iam downloading Intel x86 live CD Waiting for it to be done 100% I wanna know how to remaster this distro ( build my own distro) based on ubuntu any body can help me ?
[05:59] <medkit> it worked perfectly since (hd2,0) - there is the windows partition - died
[05:59] <reka> toxicfume: have you rebooted?
[05:59] <danko123> hd2,0 is the third hard disk in your computer.
[05:59] <toxicfume> reka: rebooted since when?
[05:59] <medkit> right, danko123, the hdd is gone
[05:59] <reka> toxicfume: ah, nm.  if fglrx is loaded already, don't worry.
[05:59] <danko123> first partition, whereas hd0,2 would be third partition on first hd
[06:00] <medkit> now grub only boots ubuntu the 2nd time
[06:00] <toxicfume> reka: hehe okay
[06:00] <OLdNavY> Iam downloading Intel x86 live CD Waiting for it to be done 100% I wanna know how to remaster this distro ( build my own distro) based on ubuntu any body can help me ?  ?????????????????????????
[06:00] <Rebroad> robert_: trying to find you a better faq
[06:00] <delire> toxicfume: is 'radeon' and 'ati' also loaded? if so modprobe -r both of those. modprobe -r == module remove, unload
[06:00] <robert_> ok
[06:00] <robert_> i dont know where plugins directory is
[06:00] <medkit> the 1st time it just hangs at the word "boot"
[06:00] <raDeon> who calls for me
[06:00] <medkit> i use strg alt del
[06:00] <toxicfume> delire: nope, ati and radeon are not loaded
[06:00] <medkit> the system boots again, comes to grub and then it is bootin ubuntu
[06:00] <Rebroad> robert_: probably ~/.mozilla-firefox/plugins or something like that
[06:01] <Tolja> danko123, what to put in this field? http://koti.mbnet.fi/tolja/domain.jpg
[06:01] <danko123> no, its not that.
[06:01] <delire> toxicfume: is that the only EE 'error' line?
[06:01] <danko123> tolja, nothing or anything.
[06:01] <reka> danko123: night :-)
[06:01] <toxicfume> delire: yes, that is the only one
[06:01] <Tolja> My cd drive broke and i can't install anything without the internets
[06:01] <toxicfume> delire: no more EEs
[06:01] <andrewski> does anyone understand font hinting?  i can't get mine to look right unless i run with gksudo: http://img123.echo.cx/img123/7816/fontstrangeness8fa.png
[06:01] <danko123> reka, the no its not that was for the plugins.
[06:02] <delire> toxicfume: that's disappointing. should be more than that.
[06:02] <reka> danko123: i know.  you said you were going to bed twice
[06:02] <Tolja> danko123, it says "no valid mirror was configured"
[06:02] <aciDHead> has someone running a webcam with ubuntu ?
[06:02] <danko123> robert_: well, this should help you get it working: http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#jre .
[06:02] <danko123> oh, you said night, not right.
[06:02] <delire> toxicfume: when you 'modprobe fglrx' do you get any odd output?
[06:02] <reka> toxicfume: did you generate the xorg.conf file with reconfigure?
[06:02] <delire> toxicfume: complaints, warnings etc?
[06:02] <toxicfume> delire: let me try
[06:02] <robert_> thanks a lot, ill try it
[06:03] <Chambers`> whats a good cd burning software for ubuntu?  Also, what about mp3's player software?  I have a mpio mp3 player
[06:03] <danko123> tolja, did you try tolja?
[06:03] <reka> danko123: right
[06:03] <reka> :-)
[06:03] <danko123> for domain name?
[06:03] <blpharis> hey, i just installed ubuntu and the resolution is fubar'd, can anybody help me figure this out
[06:03] <blpharis> or point me to some help on the web
[06:03] <reka> blpharis: fubar'd how?
[06:03] <Rebroad> robert_: the system plugins directory for firefox is /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[06:03] <Tolja> danko123, i have no idea what to put in there
[06:03] <toxicfume> delire: nope, doesn't return anything :s
[06:03] <danko123> put in tolja
[06:03] <danko123> "tolja"
[06:03] <Rebroad> robert_: but to run the "ln -s..." command you'll need to prepend "sudo"
[06:03] <toxicfume> reka: yes i did (just chose the default selection, which is Yes i think)
[06:03] <danko123> "tolja.org"
[06:03] <blpharis> it defaults to 640x480 and going to screen resolution won't let me select anything different
[06:03] <danko123> something along those lines
[06:03] <delire> toxicfume: is this hoary? dd you upgrade from warty?
[06:04] <blpharis> when i try xorgcfg it won't start
[06:04] <robert_> ok
[06:04] <reka> toxicfume: did you backup your original xorg.conf file?
[06:04] <Tolja> "no valid mirror was configured"
[06:04] <danko123> Rebroad: did you check out the other http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#jre ?
[06:04] <thechitowncubs> What is the easiest method to create a samba share without a password?
[06:04] <LinuxJones> blpharis,  >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:04] <toxicfume> delire: yes it's hoary (how do i recheck?) and no, it's not an upgrade
[06:04] <blpharis> i get an error about fbmmx.o no symbols defined
[06:04] <danko123> Tolja: did you try both tolja and tolja.org
[06:04] <danko123> ?
[06:04] <Tolja> Yes
[06:05] <Shuddertrix> thechitowncubs: #samba
[06:05] <Tolja> Didn't work
[06:05] <toxicfume> reka: not that i remember, but i thought it autmatically backed up the original xorg.conf file (But why does that matter cause X never worked for me )
[06:05] <delire> toxicfume: i would generate a new xorg.conf. i think your current one is broken in other areas. we've fixed the framebuffer dev problem, you need to find what else is broken. your ati card will work well when you actually get into X ;)
[06:05] <danko123> why would that be giving you trouble...
[06:05] <Rebroad> danko123, robert_: ah.. http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#jre is a better one.. didn't realise there was more than one.
[06:05] <toxicfume> delire: how do i do that?
[06:05] <reka> toxicfume: what delire said, your xorg.conf file is borked.  so you never could start X even from a fresh install?
[06:05] <danko123> Rebroad: YEAH, somewhat better, sorry caps...
[06:06] <delire> toxicfume: the other option, is that you use the ati.com config generator.. want to try that?
[06:06] <toxicfume> reka: nope i couldn't
[06:06] <Rebroad> danko123: why have they made the newer version so much worse?
[06:06] <robert_> kk got it
[06:06] <blpharis> thanks for that linuxjones, i think its the vert sync not detected problem
[06:06] <robert_> thanks, ill look those over
[06:06] <danko123> ask jiyuu0.
[06:06] <Tolja> I don't have access to the install cd anymore and i can't configure the network properly :/
[06:06] <Echelon-H> can I run xmms with repeat option on?
[06:06] <danko123> he is the one that does those.
[06:06] <Echelon-H> I mean, is there any parameter to set that?
[06:06] <toxicfume> reka: nope i couldn't, i just installed it 2 days ago, and it has never ever worked so far
[06:06] <danko123> Echelon-H: what is repeat?
[06:06] <reka> toxicfume: and what is your card?
[06:06] <danko123> like, loop?
[06:06] <danko123> x700
[06:06] <jiyuu0> danko123, ask me what?
[06:06] <toxicfume> reka and delire: btw, be aware that this is a laptop i'm running ubuntu on
[06:06] <Echelon-H> danko123, yeah
[06:07] <toxicfume> reka: ati mobility radeon x700(64mb)
[06:07] <delire> toxicfume: 'fglrxconfig' and go through all the options choosing defaults.
[06:07] <Fator_Dee> toxicfume: what laptop it is?
[06:07] <tiglionabbit> rebroad: Actually I was able to get java 1.5 just fine from the restricted formats faq
[06:07] <delire> toxicfume: that card works great. i use it on my workstation.
[06:07] <Rebroad> danko123: how do I ask jiyuu0?
[06:07] <toxicfume> delire: okay
[06:07] <jiyuu0> Rebroad, i'm here
[06:07] <danko123> jiyuu0: Rebroad is wondering why your new version of java insatll on your ubuntuguide site is worse than the old 4.10 version, what is th difference.
[06:07] <toxicfume> Fator_Dee: Acer Aspire 1692WLMi
[06:07] <jiyuu0> Rebroad, what's the prob?
[06:07] <toxicfume> delire: you use the same mobility version on your workstation?
[06:08] <LinuxJones> blpharis,  it works for me :)
[06:08] <urbanfox> what package contains libz?
[06:08] <Rebroad> jiyuu0: the ubuntuguide.org seems to be much less verbose, and less useful to newbies for installing java with firefixd
[06:08] <danko123> jiyuu0: he finds the old version much better, and I se how, cause it is more down to the cli level, instead of using apt...
[06:08] <Rebroad> jiyuu0: *firefox
[06:08] <Echelon-H> danko123, got any clue?
[06:08] <jiyuu0> Rebroad, meaning u prefer to use CLI more than apt-get?
[06:08] <Rebroad> danko123: oh... does the new ubuntuguide.org work for java on firefox just as well?
[06:08] <danko123> Echelon-H: if you are talking about just putting a song to repeat, instaead of ending at the end, there is a gui button for that, in the bottom right
[06:09] <jiyuu0> Rebroad, yes it does
[06:09] <danko123> Rebroad: yeah, it does work, I think, does it?
[06:09] <danko123> yeah.
[06:09] <jiyuu0> i just updated the sources.list
[06:09] <Echelon-H> danko123, i know that, but im wondering if there is a parameter that i can perform that.
[06:09] <Rebroad> jiyuu0: as far as I could tell, robert tried the commands mentioned in the new guide, but I only have his word for that! I got it working using the 4.10 version.
[06:09] <delire> toxicfume: not the mobility..
[06:09] <Echelon-H> anyways, any of you guys know how to un-install a game that was installed from a .run file?
[06:09] <danko123> why? I dont get why you would need that, but...... man xmms may know...
[06:09] <jiyuu0> previously the java way of installing is the manual way
[06:10] <jiyuu0> now it's apt-get
[06:10] <jiyuu0> easier
[06:10] <Rebroad> robert_: you still here?
[06:10] <danko123> why do you even start xmms from terminal?
[06:10] <toxicfume> delire: but this is the mobility though..
[06:10] <Fator_Dee> Echelon-H: look into the games directory if there's a "uninstall" file
[06:10] <thechitowncubs> Can anyone confirm that on the right column where the upcoming game time and pitcher matchup on www.cubs.com is covered up for some reason (even when the video doesn't pop up), why does flash act differently in *nix than it does in win?
[06:10] <Echelon-H> Fator_Dee, k, one moment.
[06:10] <Rebroad> jiyuu0: I agree apt-get is easier. K.I.S.S, as they say
[06:10] <danko123> cause...
[06:10] <tiglionabbit> echelon-h: or read the .run script and see if it accepts parameters like -r
[06:10] <jiyuu0> K.I.S.S????
[06:10] <toxicfume> delire: okay i did fglrxconfig, but it genereated a different file, "XF86Config-4" not xorg.conf
[06:11] <delire> toxicfume: no i'm talking just about the radeon card..
[06:11] <Rebroad> jiyuu0: Keep It Simple, Stupid (KISS)
[06:11] <jiyuu0> hehe
[06:11] <reka> thechitowncubs: a guess: the site was designed for IE. rather than using correct HTML.
[06:11] <delire> toxicfume: eek..
[06:11] <sijmen> i've tried many things, but how to find out which file supplies libnss-ldap.conf? it is not yet installed for sure
[06:11] <raDeon> how can i help you delire
[06:11] <delire> raDeon: you can't you have chosen a concidental nickname
[06:11] <Echelon-H> Fator_Dee, i dont see any file like uninstall
[06:11] <toxicfume> delire: but i guess ubuntu may work well for normal x700 but maybe not the mobility x700?
[06:11] <thechitowncubs> reka: it doesn't do that on the windows firefox either
[06:11] <danko123> thechitowncubs: what exactly?
[06:12] <toxicfume> delire: what do i do now? :S I'm pretty sure XF86Config-4 is a different format from xorg.conf
[06:12] <Fator_Dee> Echelon-H: what game are you exactly trying to uninstall?
[06:12] <delire> toxicfume: it should be fine. just a moment i'll check.
[06:12] <reka> toxicfume: i think they are interchangeable, try and rename it to xorg.conf.
[06:12] <danko123> thechitowncubs: I dont see that column on the left...
[06:12] <danko123> Ill give you a screenshot, tho.
[06:12] <Rebroad> I think to make ubuntu really idiot proof, something like the wayback filesystem would be a nice addition
[06:12] <delire> toxicfume: yeah, try to rename it.. ati is still catching up with the xorg format.
[06:12] <Echelon-H> Fator_Dee, enemy territory
[06:12] <Bizzeh> hmmn
[06:12] <reka> Rebroad: wayback?
[06:13] <thechitowncubs> The video player that pops up covers up the only thing I want to see on that page, the upcoming game info... and it gets covered up by flash im assuming
[06:13] <Fator_Dee> Echelon-H: it has a uninstall file and I'm sure of it because I have uninstalled it
[06:13] <Rebroad> reka: It's supposedly supposed to make it easy to revert your drive to an older version if you screw up, but I've not tried it myself.
[06:13] <reka> delire: the fglrxconfig program should ahve outputted an xorg.conf file
[06:13] <reka> werid
[06:13] <Fator_Dee> Echelon-H: in what directory you are trying to look for it?
[06:13] <Echelon-H> Fator_Dee, I can't find it in the game dir.
[06:13] <reka> *weird
[06:13] <toxicfume> delire: okay, so i'll rename it and put it in the /etc/X11/?
[06:13] <Echelon-H> enemy territory...
[06:13] <Echelon-H> is it supposed to be in some other dir?
[06:13] <Fator_Dee> Echelon-H: the *exact* path
[06:13] <raDeon> HAHA ENEMEY TERRIOTYR
[06:14] <Echelon-H> one sec
[06:14] <Rebroad> reka: I suspect it's no where near as polished a product as GoBack for MS Windows.
[06:14] <toxicfume> delire: err, i think it's already in the same folder, i won't have to move it, but how do i rename?
[06:14] <danko123> thechitowncubs: http://www.mts.net/~danb/Screenshot-4.png .
[06:14] <reka> toxicfume: back up the old one first! then sudo mv XFree86 (or whatever) xorg.conf
[06:14] <Echelon-H> Fator_Dee, /home/echelon/enemy territory
[06:14] <Echelon-H> Fator_Dee, /home/echelon/enemy-territory
[06:14] <delire> toxicfume: use 'mv origfile targetfile'
[06:15] <toxicfume> reka: okay i'll back up..but it doesn't work anywats :(
[06:15] <Fator_Dee> Echelon-H: you asked it to install it to that directory?
[06:15] <delire> toxicfume: yes but cp (backup) the old one first as reka says ;)
[06:15] <Echelon-H> yeah, it was default.
[06:15] <reka> :-)  weird, it should have at least worked from a fresh install.
[06:15] <danko123> raDeon: enema territory...:)
[06:15] <thechitowncubs> yep, thats the problem danko :/
[06:15] <danko123> so it looks like yours?
[06:15] <thechitowncubs> where that blue box is should be upcoming game stuff
[06:15] <thechitowncubs> yep
[06:15] <danko123> oh, the blue box, yeah yeah
[06:15] <Rebroad> reka: I'm looking into writing a GoBack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goback) equivalent for Linux, but it's going to probably involve a fair bit of kernel hacking...
[06:16] <thechitowncubs> refresh and you will see what supposed to be there if you look real fast
[06:16] <delire> toxicfume: where did you get the fglrx package from by the way?
[06:16] <reka> toxicfume: normally, people run into X problems when they fiddle around or try to enable 3D.
[06:16] <toxicfume> delire and reka: okay done
[06:16] <danko123> did you hit the little arrow?
[06:16] <delire> toxicfume: startx
[06:16] <danko123> I can see video///
[06:16] <toxicfume> delire: danko123 sent it to me
[06:16] <thechitowncubs> Ya, me too
[06:16] <thechitowncubs> but thats not what i want to see
[06:16] <thechitowncubs> should I contact the webmaster?
[06:16] <toxicfume> delire: nope, won't work
[06:16] <delire> toxicfume: what did he send to you?
[06:16] <danko123> it is the newest one, tho...
[06:16] <thechitowncubs> or is it a flash/linux issue?
[06:17] <danko123> we tried sudo apt-get installing it, and it said newwest version already installed.
[06:17] <delire> toxicfume: you'll need to compile it for your system of it certainly won't work
[06:17] <reka> Rebroad: newbies don't like kernel hacking.  or did you mean kernel hacking for you?
[06:17] <delire> toxicfume: this is what i do. want to know?
[06:17] <toxicfume> delire: xorg-drver-fglrx_6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu11_i386.deb
[06:17] <delire> toxicfume: ok
[06:17] <Rebroad> reka: well, hopefully the kernel changes might one day be included in the ubuntu distribution
[06:17] <danko123> thechitowncubs: yeah, it is likely that, but, still contact him:)
[06:17] <delire> toxicfume: what architecture is your computer?
[06:18] <danko123> tell him to use flash taht works everywhere....
[06:18] <novaflare> i just wish ati had better linux drivers
[06:18] <delire> novaflare: they are great now.
[06:18] <toxicfume> delire: x86 i guess? 32bit pentium m centrino 1.7ghz
[06:18] <novaflare> in windows ati linux support is only so so
[06:18] <danko123> uname -r right?
[06:18] <reka> Rebroad: it'd definitely be useful
[06:18] <delire> toxicfume: ok.. the *only* error you get is that single line now? what error?
[06:19] <toxicfume> delire: let me check the log again...one sec
[06:19] <reka> poor bugger
[06:19] <raDeon> who keeps calling me
[06:19] <delire> novaflare: they are very good now. i am a 3d graphics programmer and have gone over their new drivers closely. in some cases they out perform their windows counterparts. still buggy in a couple of areas but a massive improvement on drivers from them a year ago.
[06:20] <raDeon> d00d enemy territory is the shiznit
[06:20] <novaflare> just curious reka do you know what bugger accualy means ?
[06:20] <raDeon> but it's madd old yo
[06:20] <novaflare> hmm
[06:20] <toxicfume> delire: now i get (EE) Failed to load module "Keyboard" (module does not exist, 0)
[06:20] <delire> toxicfume: hehe told you ;)
[06:20] <novaflare> im useing fglrx
[06:20] <toxicfume> delire: and still the (EE) No devices detected
[06:20] <reka> novaflare: apps->accessories->dictionary.  :-) something like bastard i'd presume :-)
[06:21] <novaflare> hahah
[06:21] <novaflare> um not exactly :)
[06:21] <Echelon-H> Fator_Dee, got any clue?
[06:21] <danko123> you have a dictionary there?
[06:21] <reka> novaflare: "guilty of buggery"
[06:21] <delire> toxicfume: ok i don't think the problem is your gfx card anymore. it's other devices.
[06:21] <reka> novaflare: i.e. sodomy :-)
[06:21] <novaflare> heh
[06:21] <raDeon> bugger is someone who commits sodomy
[06:21] <reka> danko123: in gnome, yes.
[06:21] <Fator_Dee> Echelon-H: if the uninstall file isn't there, I don't have any clues
[06:21] <novaflare> well i use to say it all the time till i learned what it ment heh
[06:22] <danko123> wow...
[06:22] <novaflare> i remember people sayin oh what a cute little ugger
[06:22] <danko123> raDeon: really?
[06:22] <raDeon> yes
[06:22] <danko123> wow
[06:22] <toxicfume> delire: oh..but onething i noticed
[06:22] <danko123> sodomy is like what? Ill dict it, dont even go there...
[06:22] <aciDHead> is there an v4l channel somewhere ???
[06:22] <reka> novaflare: well, no one wants to be called an ugger. ;-)
[06:22] <toxicfume> delire: in the logs, there are a big list of cards mentioned, but mine isn't mentioned (there is no MOBILITY RADEON x700)
[06:22] <raDeon> haha yeah look up sodomy
[06:23] <reka> danko123:  ()()  <|[06:23] <danko123> hahahah lol
[06:23] <danko123> come on...
[06:23] <danko123> lol
[06:23] <reka> hang on, these are better:  (_)(_)
[06:23] <delire> toxicfume: many thousands of people run your mobility card in linux. google.com/linux to see this.
[06:23] <toxicfume> delire: oh okay
[06:23] <danko123> lmao...:)
[06:23] <novaflare> so delire with atis offical drivers what do i need to do to install them? And can i expect a 3d performance gain with them?
[06:23] <toxicfume> delire: so how do i find out which devices are the problem? :(
[06:24] <reka> danko123: i thought you were going to bed?  you'll have sweet dreams tonight. :-)
[06:24] <raDeon> ati users are buggers
[06:24] <novaflare> ...
[06:24] <danko123> reka: It is not night, I just woke up...I am sick, so I should be in bed, yes...
[06:24] <Shuddertrix> ati users have it bad in linux, from what i hear
[06:24] <danko123> raDeon is an ATI card, so, by induction, it follows....
[06:25] <reka> novaflare: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:25] <hondje> ati users are screwed
[06:25] <hondje> They spend hours of work, and then get shite performance in linux :(
[06:25] <danko123> it works in the end.
[06:25] <delire> toxicfume: i don't know what to suggest now without being present, sadly. i would suggest dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:25] <raDeon> i dont use a radeon though
[06:25] <delire> toxicfume: and go through the list of options carefully.
[06:25] <danko123> whatever, you are the thing in itself...
[06:25] <Shuddertrix> raDeon: go you then. unless it's a rage.
[06:25] <reka> hondje: i wouldn't call a three step process "hours"
[06:26] <delire> hondje: not at all. just using the ubuntu installation method it seems. i have had little problems with ati drivers over the last year or two.
[06:26] <medkit> To install the ATI fglrx drivers 8.12.10 and get xconf to work:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread was helpful
[06:26] <hondje> hrm, there goes my ATI troll :(
[06:26] <medkit> but you have to read the full threa to the end
[06:27] <novaflare> hmm i didnt think fglrx were the ati drivers from ati.com
[06:27] <toxicfume> delire: arrgh, this sucks..thanks for the help though :)
[06:27] <novaflare> i got the fglrx installed
[06:27] <hondje> I have all nvidia cards, so it's never bit me
[06:27] <rvangemert> hello all
[06:27] <delire> toxicfume: must be very frustrating. see what medkit said perhaps?
[06:27] <medkit> but it took me about 10 hours to figure all out
[06:29] <delire> toxicfume: perhaps go back to the device name 'ati' until you have a better solution? i always grab the driver straight from ati.com and compile it. takes about 5 mintues to get up and running using that method.
[06:30] <toxicfume> hmm
[06:30] <toxicfume> you know what
[06:30] <novaflare> delire whats the gain over fglrx with atis drivers from atis site?
[06:30] <danko123> man, wtf.... I hate this.l..I brioke my linux again...
[06:30] <delire> novaflare: fglrx are the drivers from the ati site.
[06:30] <toxicfume> i think the problem is select the refrsh rates...cause i really don't know what refresh rate i need to select for my LCD monitor on my laptop
[06:30] <novaflare> o ok
[06:30] <novaflare> hmm
[06:30] <tim167> hi all, anyone know anything about webcam support on ubuntu ? I have 3 cheap cams here and I want to use them on ubuntu. Its a logitech quickcam express, a labtec (sort of webcam express clone) and a Peabird mini webcam)
[06:30] <delire> novaflare: ubuntu just repackage them
[06:30] <robert_> w00t w00t i installed java
[06:30] <novaflare> k
[06:30] <danko123> great, rob.
[06:30] <novaflare> is what i thought
[06:30] <robert_> finally..
[06:30] <Echelon-H> anyone knows why my hebrew is not working in OpenOffice and it is in gedit?
[06:31] <novaflare> know any performance/quality tweaks for them delire ?
[06:31] <delire> toxicfume: extremely likely. if you look at the whole log you may see other signs.
[06:31] <novaflare> i got a few minor isues in both areas
[06:31] <hondje> Echelon-H: OpenOffice doesn't get its settings from the desktop
[06:31] <toxicfume> delire: not that i understand :/
[06:31] <danko123> tim167:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[06:31] <reka> toxicfume: do you know what resolution you can go up to in windows?
[06:31] <medkit> refresh rate on lcd almost: 60 hz or 75 hz
[06:31] <raDeon> Vanlal, me too
[06:31] <Echelon-H> hondje, which means?
[06:31] <toxicfume> what colour depth should my lcd monitor be? 16bits? or 24bits? or another?
[06:31] <Vanlal> heh ...
[06:31] <Echelon-H> I can use hebrew in it?
[06:31] <raDeon> it's already been a day
[06:31] <delire> toxicfume: i'd give you my email address but you can't send it outside of X can you..
[06:31] <raDeon> and still no sign of them
[06:31] <hondje> Echelon-H: You have to dig around the settings in OpenOffice
[06:31] <iceman> any one know a good place to get theme packages besides kde-look ...
[06:31] <toxicfume> reka: my lcd's default resolution in windows is 1280x800 (widescreen)
[06:32] <Echelon-H> hondje, k
[06:32] <tim167> ok thanks ! I ll have a look
[06:32] <hondje> Echelon-H: Or, now that I think about it, they probably have a language pack
[06:32] <toxicfume> delire: nope, isn't there a way to configure pop3 in console?
[06:33] <hondje> Echelon-H: sudo apt-get install openoffice.org-l10n-he
[06:33] <danko123> toxicfume: mailx works in console.
[06:33] <danko123> man mailx
[06:33] <danko123> for sending emails, right?
[06:33] <Bram> dvdrip asks me for a device number in n,n,n format
[06:34] <Bram> where do i find that ?
[06:34] <Echelon-H> hondje, wow, that was fast
[06:34] <tim167> what program can I use to test a webcam ?
[06:34] <danko123> man, ugh!! anyone have any pointers on why my movies wont play anymore, its been working for a long time now...
[06:34] <hondje> Echelon-H: I'm a apt-cache search ninja
[06:34] <Echelon-H> hondje, but one momeny maybe I got it sorted up.
[06:34] <danko123> tim167: gnome-meeting.
[06:34] <Echelon-H> hondje, lol
[06:34] <rvangemert> tim167: gnomemeeting
[06:34] <hondje> Echelon-H: That, and I installed Korean OOorg yesterday
[06:34] <tim167> :)
[06:35] <danko123> my movies have been playing always, and now I installed the xorg-driver-fglrx even tho I dont have that card, and after removing it, it is still not working...
[06:35] <rvangemert> danko: codecs?
[06:35] <rvangemert> ooh
[06:35] <danko123> rvangemert: it has been working for a while now...
[06:35] <danko123> I borked it somehow.
[06:35] <toxicfume> danko123: yup, and preferrably sending attachments too :)
[06:35] <rvangemert> yes i know now ;)
[06:35] <Echelon-H> hmmm
[06:35] <danko123> starts playing, and then freezes.
[06:35] <reka> danko123: you installed xorg and you don't have an ATI card?
[06:35] <danko123> I wonder what I did.
[06:35] <danko123> :) reka
[06:35] <Echelon-H> why is it sometimes that apt-get install asks me if I want to install and sometimes not?
[06:35] <reka> *fglrx
[06:35] <Chambers`> whats the best way to refresh the gnome panel?
[06:36] <reka> Chambers`: killall gnome-panel
[06:36] <raDeon> Chambers`, hit f5
[06:36] <Chambers`> thanks
[06:36] <danko123> toxicfume: yeah, mailx email@address.org <file.tx
[06:36] <hondje> Echelon-H: I'd imagine that when it asks, it needs to download more than just what you told it to
[06:36] <danko123> man mailx for more info
[06:36] <raDeon> no problem
[06:36] <danko123> right from your computer to his email address.
[06:36] <Echelon-H> hondje, oh.
[06:36] <lonewolff> Echelon-H: just installing what you asked it just goes ahead, if its installing what you asked for as well as other packaged (dependencies) it asks so you can check what its installing
[06:36] <Bramme> where can i find the device number of my cdwriter ?
[06:36] <Echelon-H> hondje, wow, the kpbs is SLOW. im donwloading on 270B!!
[06:37] <hondje> :(
[06:37] <toxicfume> danko123: thanks:)
[06:37] <Echelon-H> lonewolff, thanks :)
[06:37] <danko123> yup
[06:37] <rvangemert> danko: maybe this will help you set the right gfx driver for xorg>> sudo xorg -configure
[06:37] <hondje> Hey, there seem to be people who know this sorta thing here....what's better for sound, a52 or ac3?
[06:37] <medkit> I need a hint to play xvid avis. Totem or Mplayer are quitting out with errors.
[06:38] <reka> medkit: what errors?
[06:38] <rvangemert> medkit, dit you install the win32codecs
[06:38] <rvangemert> ?
[06:38] <Echelon-H> can I abort in the middle of the download?
[06:38] <medkit> win32codecs installed
[06:38] <rvangemert> ok
[06:38] <hondje> Echelon-H: yeah, shouldn't cause a problem
[06:38] <medkit> Totem says: resource not available
[06:38] <reka> medkit: totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?
[06:38] <medkit> Mplayer says: error in decoding audio stram
[06:39] <medkit> totem-gstreaer
[06:39] <rvangemert> hmm
[06:39] <reka> medkit: try killall esd
[06:39] <danko123> um:(... I should not do these things to my comp... anyhow... this is a picture you can see, to testify I am sick... http://www.mts.net/~danb/dscn0352.jpg its a bit high res.
[06:39] <Echelon-H> bah, can I download from a faster source?
[06:39] <Echelon-H> becasuse the apt-get was just SLOW Now.
[06:40] <reka> Echelon-H: i think there are mirros out there.  are you in the US?
[06:40] <reka> *mirrors
[06:40] <Echelon-H> reka, i'm in israel.
[06:40] <reka> Echelon-H: hmmm, what's the domain name?
[06:40] <danko123> tghats why you are trying to install hebrew support:)
[06:40] <Echelon-H> reka, but it doesn't matter, anything would be faster than 207B
[06:40] <reka> for israel?
[06:40] <medkit> killall esd - no effect reka
[06:41] <Echelon-H> danko123, yeah, hehe.
[06:41] <danko123> should not give output, medkit.
[06:41] <danko123> try your movies now.
[06:41] <hondje> Anyone? libac3 vs liba52?
[06:41] <Echelon-H> reka, uuuhh netvision.net.il?
[06:41] <tommy> ds
[06:42] <tommy> holler back youngins
[06:42] <danko123> sudo xorg -configure is not a command, which one did you mean, teebones?
[06:42] <reka> Echelon-H: try appending il.  sort of like this: deb http://il.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[06:42] <reka> in your repo list
[06:42] <teebones> danko: i mean ehm.. let me see.. i know xorg has such function
[06:43] <danko123> dpkg --reconfigure xorg?
[06:43] <medkit> Mplayer interupted by signal 11 in module: decode_audio
[06:43] <tim167> I get no 'device found' in gnome meeting webcam settings, do I have to restart with camera connected or is this enough proof that my cams aren't supported?
[06:43] <danko123> is that what you mean?
[06:43] <Echelon-H> reka, do you know reka means background in hebrew :P?
[06:43] <danko123> tim167: are they listed in that list I gave you?
[06:43] <Echelon-H> you write it like this:
[06:43] <Echelon-H> 
[06:43] <danko123> ooh, facny.
[06:43] <Echelon-H> :D
[06:43] <reka> Echelon-H: i think you told me yesterday. :-)
[06:43] <reka> it also means "right" in slavik apparently.
[06:44] <Echelon-H> reka, Yeah, i just wasn't so sure.
[06:44] <danko123> in yugoslavian/serbian, it means river
[06:44] <reka> cool :-)
[06:44] <Echelon-H> reka, where are you from anyway? and what reka means @ your place?
[06:44] <tim167> one of them is, logitech quickcam express, marked 'not out of the box'
[06:44] <teebones> danko: try this...
[06:44] <reka> i'm in aus.  i just chopped the first few letters of "eureka"
[06:44] <teebones> sudo Xorg --configure
[06:44] <teebones> (caps X)
[06:45] <teebones> and oh yeah.. use 1 dash.. not 2
[06:45] <danko123> teebones: http://pastebin.com/291730 .
[06:45] <danko123> k
[06:45] <danko123> just a sec
[06:45] <pgavin> uhh...
[06:45] <danko123> no, no such command, again, I mean, no such option.
[06:46] <raDeon> gagagahgahahah a teebone
[06:46] <reka> medkit: sounds like an audio problem, but are you only having the problem with xvid files?
[06:46] <pgavin> why would my key bindings in gnome get all screwed up like they are now?
[06:46] <teebones> danko: ehmm what did you type ?
[06:46] <teebones> (exactly)
[06:46] <pgavin> like, in gnome-terminal, ctrl-shift-t closes the current tab
[06:46] <danko123> http://pastebin.com/291731 teebones.
[06:46] <reka> pgavin: and it's not working now?
[06:46] <pgavin> ctrl-f in synaptic closes synaptic entirely
[06:47] <raDeon> HAHA TEEBONES
[06:47] <medkit> reka: i can hear music from cd and play mp3.
[06:47] <syn1> how do i get Xfce4 to auto detect printers?
[06:47] <reka> medkit: what about vid files?
[06:47] <syn1> on my lan
[06:47] <pgavin> reka: well, ctrl-shift-t is supposed to *open* a new tab
[06:47] <teebones> danko: yes you need to exit X
[06:47] <teebones> ;-)
[06:47] <reka> syn1: you might find better help at #xfce
[06:47] <pgavin> reka: and now it closes the tab instead
[06:47] <umarmung> How can I mount a reiserfs partition as user:user instead as root:root?
[06:47] <stimpie> I created a vfat filesystem on a floppy, if I now copy a file with a long name to it. the file name gets shorten to the 8.3 lenght what am I doing wrong?
[06:47] <syn1> reka: but im running xfce on top of ubuntu.
[06:48] <reka> pgavin: system->prefs->k/b shortcuts
[06:48] <medkit> vid files: no go. Tried the game civ3 yesterday: no sound. Should i choose another sound architecture like alsa?
[06:48] <reka> pgavin: in gnome-terminal: edit->k/b shortcuts
[06:48] <nalioth> synd: how goes the hunt for gkrellm, superkaramba or gdesklets?
[06:48] <teebones> danko: do this: make backup of your current config.. then exit X .. on the console type: sudo Xorg -configure
[06:48] <danko123> teebones: yes, what exactly should I do,. I dont even think its that, Ill try something else, brb.
[06:48] <synd> nalioth: i decided on gkrellm
[06:48] <teebones> that follow the instruction to test the new configure it made for you
[06:49] <Echelon-H> is there a command to run openoffice writer through the terminal?
[06:49] <Amaranth> teebones: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg would be better
[06:49] <reka> synd: OK, i assumed XFCE uses a different print management system.
[06:49] <teebones> ok..
[06:49] <stimpie> Echelon-H, oowriter
[06:49] <teebones> ;)
[06:49] <Echelon-H> stimpie, thanks!
[06:49] <pgavin> reka: I never changed those, and even if I set them, they still are messed up
[06:49] <nalioth> synd: simple is best
[06:50] <tiglionabbit> Echelon-H: if you right-click on something and select Edit Item or Properties or something, it will have the command in a Command field
[06:50] <pgavin> reka: maybe I should just rm -rf ~/.gnome :b
[06:50] <synd> nalioth: simple? whatcha mean
[06:50] <danko123> bah
[06:50] <teebones> Amaranth: I'm new to Ubuntu and thus Debian distro, but i have long time experience with linux (other distro's).. and so i am a newbie with apt commands ;-)
[06:50] <reka> pgavin: maybe.  just don't blame me.
[06:50] <Rebroad> danko123: isn't it a bit silly that in order to write a CD, one must have 700Mb of free disk space so that the files to be burned can be copied to the same disk beforehand?
[06:50] <pgavin> reka: lol :b
[06:50] <tiglionabbit> teebones: well, apt is easy, and you'll love it
[06:51] <Echelon-H> reka, i installed what you told me and I still can't see hebrew
[06:51] <nalioth> synd: gkrellm is the oldest and least intensive proggy for what you are after
[06:51] <teebones> yes, so i read.. that's why i've installed ubuntu.. (just to get the apt feeling)
[06:51] <Rebroad> nalioth: better than ksysguard?
[06:52] <tiglionabbit> teebones: if you want a really easy frontend, try synaptic.  People like aptitude too.  Or just remember the commands `apt-get install thepackaganame`, `apt-cache search forsomething` and apt-get update to refresh it, apt-get upgrade to upgrade /everything
[06:52] <synd> nalioth: thats true.
[06:52] <synd> nalioth: i tried gdesklets as well, and wasnt able to get it working very well
[06:52] <teebones> i prefer the commands above the gui tools
[06:52] <teebones> ;)
[06:52] <tiglionabbit> teebones: but synaptic is fun!
[06:53] <tiglionabbit> and synaptic shows the extended descriptions of packages as you browse it
[06:53] <ompaul> Rebroad, if you think about it you can have two *rom drives and with that setup you can with a third disk being the operating system copy one from another - however if you want to you can grab several sources and put them together in a single file which then gets burnt to disk
[06:53] <Echelon-H> reka, sorry i got disconnected
[06:53] <Echelon-H> reka, can you help me maybe with that?
[06:53] <tiglionabbit> helps you make a better decision
[06:53] <cablefish> hi there. when I run xmms (or the beep-media-player for that sake), it hangs, plus it sends this message to stderr: libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. I apt-get'd those.
[06:53] <teebones> i've seen synaptic.. it's nicely done!
[06:53] <synd> you know how in gnome you can detect LAN printers with the printer util?
[06:53] <danko123456> i fixed it...
[06:53] <danko123456> not even sure how.
[06:53] <reka> Echelon-H: sure you got the right guy?  i didn't tell you to install anything. :-)
[06:53] <Echelon-H> reka, oh.. right O_o
[06:53] <reka> lol
[06:53] <Echelon-H> but now I lost the log so I can't know who it is.
[06:54] <teebones> but the thing with synaptic (and other gui's) is that i don't know how to do it from console
[06:54] <reka> hang on, i'll search the buffer
[06:54] <danko123456> I suck at fixing, and braking my computer, I always screw something up, I dont even know what screws it up...
[06:54] <tiglionabbit> teebones: sudo synaptic
[06:54] <Rebroad> ompaul: I have a single 702MB file which I want to burn to CD. assuming I have no free disk space - is this possible?
[06:54] <synd> danko123456: its always good to start from scratch
[06:54] <danko123456> synd: like what?
[06:54] <synd> Rebroad: well i hope you have CDR that can hold over 700mb : )
[06:55] <nalioth> Rebroad: don't know whay ksysgaurd is, and synd wanted to stay away from the bloat that is KDE
[06:55] <Dalkus> he could compress it
[06:55] <Rebroad> synd: well, it's a 700mb CDR, but can't I "overburn" it or something like that?
[06:55] <Dalkus> yeah but it might be risky, depending on the cd-r's you use
[06:55] <ompaul> Rebroad, not that I am aware of as you will have to create an iso image which takes space
[06:55] <tiglionabbit> what, like overclock?  =p lol
[06:55] <reka> Echelon-H: it was hondje
[06:55] <Rebroad> ompaul: i see
[06:55] <Dalkus> ompaul, k3b could burn it straight off
[06:55] <reka> hondje Echelon-H: sudo apt-get install openoffice.org-l10n-he
[06:56] <hondje> twas I indeed!
[06:56] <teebones> tiglion: thanks for the tip.. but i will try to use the command way as often as my lazyness allows me ;-)
[06:56] <ompaul> Dalkus, kwel then Rebroad use k3b if you have it installed
[06:56] <tiglionabbit> teebones: k.  RTFM then
[06:56] <Rebroad> ompaul: I have k3b installed, but it doesn't seem to want to run
[06:56] <tiglionabbit> `man apt`
[06:56] <Echelon-H> reka, dont that...
[06:56] <Dalkus> what's the error, Rebroad
[06:56] <danko123456> man apt-get
[06:57] <Echelon-H> hondje, hey, got any clue why can't I see the hebrew after I installed it?
[06:57] <nalioth> Rebroad: you can overburn 702mb on a disk
[06:57] <hondje> No, I wouldn't know, sorry
[06:57] <hondje> Unless you were lacking fonts or something
[06:57] <teebones> uhuh..
[06:57] <Dalkus> Rebroad, try doing 'sudo apt-get install cdrecord'
[06:57] <teebones> hey Danko: how's things now?
[06:57] <Rebroad> Dalkus, nalioth: I get the KDE Crash Handler after the k3b splash screen
[06:57] <Dalkus> ^
[06:57] <raDeon> pseudo
[06:57] <nalioth> Rebroad: depending on the media, sometimes you can get 15 or more mb "overburnt"
[06:57] <danko123456> teebones: I posted above taht I fixed it.
[06:58] <Rebroad> Dalkus: already have cdrecord installed
[06:58] <teebones> sorry.. must have missed it
[06:58] <teebones> ;)
[06:58] <danko123456> thanks:)
[06:58] <Dalkus> what error does the crash handler give?
[06:58] <Riddell> Rebroad: what output do you get when runing k3b on the command line?
[06:58] <Echelon-H> baah I need yahalom over here.
[06:58] <tiglionabbit> say, odd thing.  I have a bazillion fonts, but Firefox doesn't seem to use them.  In fact, some fonts come up as invisible.  Most of them are bland even when they are set to font-family:fantasy or cursive
[06:58] <reka> cablefish: try changing the ouput plugin to esd
[06:58] <danko123456> I just tweaked my video player, and did 10 more things, restarted X and it works.
[06:58] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: have you installed cdrdao ?
[06:58] <reka> *esound
[06:58] <Dalkus> if no error, run k3b from the commandline and see if one is printed after it clsoes
[06:59] <Rebroad> Riddell: lots of output, but the last line says: k3b: (K3bDevice::Device) /dev/hdc:  Number of supported write speeds via 2A: -1
[06:59] <Rebroad> KCrash: Application 'k3b' crashing...
[07:00] <hondje> Are there any official ubuntu cflags I should use when making a package?
[07:00] <Rebroad> thoreauputic: i have cdrdao installed, yes
[07:00] <thoreauputic> OK
[07:00] <danko123456> OK!!!
[07:00] <nalioth> Rebroad: thoreauputic not sure but does gnomebaker or graveman overburn?
[07:00] <Dalkus> the last line dosn't help... is there anything in the error that is suggestive...?
[07:00] <thoreauputic> nalioth: I don't know
[07:00] <teebones> idea.. sudo cdrecord -scanbus
[07:01] <teebones> does your writer shows up?
[07:01] <robert_> how do i run python in script mode?
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> robert_: isn't python a scripting language by default?
[07:02] <Rebroad> teebones: it couldn't open /dev/pg*
[07:02] <thoreauputic> robert_: read the tutorials on http://python.org  << quite good
[07:02] <robert_> how do i program in it though?
[07:02] <daba_sck> hahaha
[07:02] <daba_sck> lol
[07:02] <robert_> i opened terminal and typed python
[07:02] <daba_sck> go take a course
[07:02] <Dalkus> robert_, google for some python tutorials......?
[07:02] <Riddell> Rebroad: can you get a backtrace?
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> robert_: you probably write a text file starting with #! and the location of your python interpreter, followed by lines of code
[07:02] <thoreauputic> robert_: visit the link I posted
[07:03] <Rebroad> Riddell: I think I can, but I'm not sure if it's a full one
[07:03] <Chambers`> how do i install rpm's again?  I'm trying to install the mpio project off of sourceforge
[07:03] <teebones> robert: you need to write the script first..
[07:03] <iceman> anyone know a good place to find screen shots of kde desktops ,,
[07:03] <tiglionabbit> chambers`: you could use alien to convert them to debs
[07:03] <robert_> ok
[07:03] <Dalkus> rpm -ivh file.rpm  Chambers`  - I think
[07:03] <tiglionabbit> iceman: kde-look.org ?
[07:03] <Rebroad> Riddell, my backtrace is only 11 lines long
[07:04] <iceman> tigloinabbit looked there ... looking for other locations
[07:04] <nalioth> iceman: www.deviantart.com
[07:04] <Chambers`> thanks guys
[07:04] <Chambers`> i'm wondering if this will work cause it says it needs to patch the kernel :(
[07:04] <iceman> nalioth these installable ?
[07:05] <Dalkus> Isn't there a .deb file you can use?
[07:05] <kvidell> hey, so this is cool
[07:05] <kvidell> I dropped down to TTY1 and ran aptitude
[07:05] <kvidell> and for whatever reason it decided to be angsty and crash
[07:05] <Rebroad> Riddell, what do I need to do to get a full backtrace of k3b please?
[07:05] <kvidell> so I killed aptitude, but it's still showing up
[07:05] <kvidell> how do I flush a tty?
[07:05] <Chambers`> Dalkus, i don't see one on the page
[07:05] <teebones> rebroad: dit you added "hdd=ide-scsi" to your grub.conf?
[07:05] <tiglionabbit> kvidell: control-L ?
[07:05] <kvidell> it's locked up completely, my only idea is to slay my user but I don't like that option.
[07:06] <Dalkus> Chambers`, try looking on google for the name of the software and '.deb' maybe you'll find one
[07:06] <tiglionabbit> slay user?
[07:06] <Chambers`> oh wait, i found some :)
[07:06] <Chambers`> yay :)
[07:06] <Rebroad> teebones: I don't have a grub.conf file
[07:06] <Dalkus> Chambers`, dpkg -i filename.deb installs
[07:06] <trygvebw> Hi
[07:06] <trygvebw> How can i find a list of the largest (in MB) packages installed?
[07:06] <teebones> rebroad: ok.. lilo.conf then? ;)
[07:06] <Chambers`> and the command to install .deb is dpkg -i <name> correct?
[07:06] <Chambers`> odh..guess so, thanks again :)
[07:06] <Dalkus> yeah
[07:07] <tiglionabbit> yes
[07:07] <tiglionabbit> chambers: there's a manual
[07:07] <Rebroad> teebones: I'm using grub, not lilo. there's no mention of scsi in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:07] <Chambers`> slowly all these command are sinking in my head :)
[07:07] <kvidell> tiglionabbit: That didn't work :-\ And yea, slay my user. Apt-cache show slay
[07:07] <teebones> rebroad: you need to add it manually
[07:07] <thechitowncubs> INDY 500 is underway
[07:07] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: because 2.6.* kernels don't use scsi emulation by default
[07:07] <thoreauputic> teebones: no he doesn't
[07:08] <Rebroad> teebones, thoreauputic: ah, ok.. where in menu.lst do I need to add it? and is it hdd or hdc?
[07:08] <tiglionabbit> kvidell: when you do solve it, tell me what you did
[07:08] <thoreauputic> you don't add it
[07:08] <nalioth> iceman: you didnt request installables, but devianart has both screenshots and desktop wallpaper
[07:08] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: teebones is coming from a 2.4 kernel perspective, I think
[07:08] <teebones> hehe.. true
[07:08] <teebones> ;)
[07:08] <difficult> hi, how do i convert flac encoded audio files to ogg?
[07:09] <Rebroad> thoreauputic, ah, so I can't fix it doing that then?
[07:09] <tiglionabbit> what's with all the file conversion questions?
[07:09] <tiglionabbit> I've never even heard of flac
[07:09] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: it's unlikely to be the problem anyway
[07:09] <iceman> sorry. hoping to find a good set of themes ...
[07:09] <nalioth> iceman: deviantart
[07:09] <difficult> flac is what sound recorder uses as default
[07:09] <ompaul> usb leads, the terminators on the non pc ends is there a standard?
[07:09] <Rebroad> thoreauputic, would you be able to advise on how I can create a useful backtrace please?
[07:10] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: if you run `strace k3b ` you should get a lot of output
[07:10] <teebones> i can learn from this.. yay
[07:10] <difficult> ok, how about how do you convert from one audio type to another ?
[07:10] <Rebroad> thoreauputic, I certainly got a lot of output
[07:10] <^thehatsrule^> get a program to convert it? :P
[07:11] <teebones> difficult: that's difficult :D
[07:11] <difficult> ^thehatsrule^ : really? Thought I had to change the bit's manually!! I'm wondering what program ;)
[07:11] <^thehatsrule^> LOL! :P
[07:11] <^thehatsrule^> depends on what you want to convert to... etc.
[07:11] <^thehatsrule^> google is your friend!
[07:12] <difficult> come on throw me a (tee)bone here
[07:12] <teebones> if, and only if, you know how to search
[07:12] <teebones> ;)
[07:12] <thoreauputic> difficult: get sox
[07:12] <teebones> difficult: lol
[07:12] <_kevin> can some one tell me how ic an obtain ices2 version 2.0.1 since that version has alsa support
[07:12] <_kevin> i tried apt-get install ices2 but it installs version 2.0.0
[07:12] <thoreauputic> sox converts most sound formats
[07:12] <Rebroad> thoreauputic, I'll add the output of the strace to the bug I've raised (https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8887)
[07:13] <Fator_Dee> _kevin: if there's not a new enough version on the repositories you have to compile it yourself or look ices' page for a deb
[07:14] <_kevin> i founda  .deb
[07:14] <_kevin> what do i do with it
[07:14] <Fator_Dee> first uninstall the old version
[07:14] <difficult> thor|away : does't have flac support :/
[07:14] <trygvebw> _kevin, go into a console and type "sudo dpkg -i package.deb"
[07:14] <_kevin> ok
[07:14] <Fator_Dee> _kevin: and I'm not sure if that .deb is compatible with ubuntu
[07:14] <Fator_Dee> _kevin: it might not be
[07:15] <tiglionabbit> aren't all debs?
[07:15] <limer> I installed gnome-pim via synaptic, I don't know where it is to run it.  I did a locate
[07:15] <Fator_Dee> tiglionabbit: nope
[07:16] <teebones> hell no
[07:16] <Rebroad> thor|away, looks like https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8887 is being completely ignored anyway...
[07:16] <teebones> (so i read)
[07:16] <Fator_Dee> tiglionabbit: if they would be, why would they advice not to use debians repositories?
[07:16] <nalioth> l8r
[07:16] <teebones> l8r
[07:17] <Rebroad> teebones: I've raised a bug report for the k3b problem, but the bug isn't getting any attention. Would you have any suggestions for what I could do next please?
[07:17] <teebones> let me think for a moment
[07:17] <thor|away> difficult: apt-cache show abcde
[07:17] <Rebroad> teebones, ok. thanks
[07:18] <cocaine> anybody want to play a game? change your name to raDeon
[07:18] <Fator_Dee> :-\
[07:18] <dabaSlon> exactly
[07:19] <stavrosg> where should I put a coupe of system-wide vars to be set on startup ?
[07:19] <Fator_Dee> try to be funny in #debian
[07:19] <Riddell> Rebroad: length doesn't matter, just what's there should be good
[07:19] <Riddell> Rebroad: add the backtrace and the last few lines of text on command line to http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8887
[07:19] <limer> I installed gnome-pim via synaptic, I don't know where it is to run it.  I did a locate
[07:20] <dabaSlon> stavrosg you can put export VAR='value' into your /etc/bash.bashrc I am not sure that is what you want tho...
[07:20] <Rebroad> Riddell: already have done
[07:20] <naapuri> limer, try: sudo updatedb
[07:20] <ogi_> Hmm..Is breezy the next release?
[07:20] <Fator_Dee> ogi_: yes
[07:20] <KaiSVK> what is ubuntu it is Live distribution ?
[07:20] <trygvebw> KaiSVK, no
[07:21] <dabaSlon> limer not only that, try also just runnign the name of the program in a terminal
[07:21] <limer> naapuri: I did.  I can find it via locate.  but it isn't in any "bin" locations
[07:21] <trygvebw> KaiSVK, it's a standard desktop distro :)
[07:21] <Fator_Dee> trygvebw: no, but it has a live-cd
[07:21] <limer> dabaSlon: I did that also
[07:21] <Fator_Dee> gah, KaiSVK I meant
[07:21] <trygvebw> Fator_Dee, yeah
[07:21] <naapuri> limer, also try dpkg -L gnome-pim
[07:21] <teebones> Rebroad: it seems to be related to the kernel version used
[07:21] <iceman> who can help me install the java plgin ..
[07:22] <Rebroad> teebones: how can you tell?
[07:22] <Fator_Dee> iceman: is there a problem?
[07:22] <teebones> on their site: Do not use Kernel 2.6.8
[07:22] <iceman> how to open a bin file ..
[07:22] <Riddell> Rebroad: thanks :)
[07:22] <tiglionabbit> iceman: read the restricted formats faq
[07:23] <Rebroad> teebones, I'm using 2.6.10
[07:23] <teebones> ok..
[07:23] <Chambers`> well i'm screwed, i didn't find a debian package of mpio :(  Just the source :(
[07:23] <teebones> than it should be fine
[07:23] <teebones> ;)
[07:23] <Fator_Dee> iceman: I thought one can install java-plugin from repositories? have you tried that already?
[07:23] <teebones> hmm.....
[07:23] <teebones> thinking
[07:23] <iceman> no .. it just aptitude install java ?
[07:23] <dabaSlon> moeba21 [~andy@pcp01447817pcs.carlsl01.pa.comcast.net]  has joined #ubuntu
[07:23] <dabaSlon> ??? xiang [~xiang@m91-mp2.cvx1-b.ren.dial.ntli.net]  has joined #ubuntu
[07:23] <Fator_Dee> iceman: oh, sorry, I had a brainfart
[07:24] <Fator_Dee> iceman: you can make a .deb from the bin file with java-package
[07:24] <cocaine> change your name to radeon
[07:24] <dabaSlon> no...
[07:25] <limer> naapuri: this is odd.  dpkg -L shows /usr/share/  but I can't see it with ls -la
[07:25] <Fator_Dee> iceman: isntall java-package from the repos and use it to make a .deb from the .bin, then install the .deb with sudo dpkg -i debfile-deb
[07:25] <KaiSVK> Fator_Dee: is there any page ? cause www.ubuntulinux.org did nothing
[07:25] <iceman> fator_dee downloaded both packages from web ... one is a rpm.bin oth a bin ... now how to install
[07:25] <iceman> k
[07:25] <Rebroad> Chambers`, can you alien the rpm version of mpio?
[07:26] <dabaSlon> iceman ubuntuguide.org has a walkthru
[07:26] <Fator_Dee> KaiSVK: page for what?
[07:26] <teebones> Rebroad: clueless atm
[07:26] <teebones> sry
[07:26] <teebones> :S
[07:26] <dabaSlon> iceman also, www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java has some too.
[07:26] <Rebroad> teebones, I'll have to write it on MS XP i guess
[07:26] <Echelon-H> when I open the package manager
[07:27] <Echelon-H> I dont have to install everything right?
[07:27] <Rebroad> thank goodness for Microsoft Windows :)
[07:27] <iceman> freezing systems ...
[07:27] <dabaSlon> everything, yeah.
[07:27] <teebones> Rebroad: SHAME ON YOU!
[07:27] <teebones> :)
[07:27] <dabaSlon> synaptic package manager, Echelon-H ?
[07:27] <Echelon-H> dabaSlon, ues
[07:27] <Chambers`> whelp i'm booting back into windows, thanks for all the help guys
[07:28] <dabaSlon> Echelon-H well, yeah, you dont have to install all, just rtight click on the ones you want to isntall
[07:28] <naapuri> limer, try removing and re-installing the package?
[07:28] <dabaSlon> Chambers` see ya
[07:28] <limer> naapuri: think I may have to.  thx
[07:28] <Chambers`> hopefully i can find a .deb of mpio otherwise that's the only thing holding me back :/
[07:28] <dabaSlon> whats mpio?
[07:28] <dabaSlon> I guess Ill never find out( I know already)
[07:29] <Enkidu> does /meda/cdrom0 point to /dev/cdrom0? because i dont see the link
[07:29] <cocaine> Enkidu, ideally.
[07:29] <teebones> Rebroad: never trust an OS you don't have the sources for ;-)
[07:29] <Echelon-H> weird.
[07:29] <Echelon-H> I am doing reload in the ubuntu update manager and I see it's downloading stuff for the list and then it says up to date
[07:30] <Enkidu> cocain, is there some way to view the link? because i can see that /dev/cdrom0 points to hdc, and that /media/cdrom points to /media/cdrom0 and that will access the cd but i cant see the link
[07:30] <teebones> Echelon-H, ehm.. isn't that the purpose of UPDATING? ;-)
[07:30] <no0tic> how can I discover if my sound card has a MIDI synth?
[07:30] <limer> naapuri: I see what happened.  package name is gnome-pim but it's really both gnomecal and gnomecard
[07:30] <Davey|Ubuntu> is it possible to get Evolutions Engage running under Gnome 2.10?
[07:30] <tiglionabbit> enkidu: ls -l
[07:30] <Echelon-H> teebones, the thing is, it seems like there are updates, but then the list is empty
[07:30] <limer> all I want is a good PIM :P
[07:31] <Echelon-H> it's downloading stuff for the list, then shows nothing.
[07:31] <teebones> Echelon-H, ok, that's weird indeed
[07:31] <Echelon-H> teebones, told you
[07:31] <Echelon-H> teebones, reset?
[07:31] <tiglionabbit> why does it seem like there are updates?
[07:31] <teebones> Echelon-H, perhaps
[07:32] <Enkidu> tiglionabbit i tried that; in /media it just shows it as a file, on /meda/cdrom0 it shows the contents of the CD thats in the drive
[07:32] <psycose> hi i've got little trooble i admin an ubuntu remotly and a change a filer permission .. now sudo is locked... (i'can talk to a local user on it) any tips ? thanks
[07:32] <Fator_Dee> psycose: what did you do exactly
[07:32] <teebones> jidijidiyadayada
[07:33] <psycose> i add +w to edit the /etc/sudoers files
[07:33] <iceman> crud ... stupid plugins ..
[07:33] <Fator_Dee> psycose: ?!
[07:33] <delire> toxicfume: if i could see your config files and logs i would be able to help you.
[07:33] <iceman> chmod a+x jre-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin tried that not working .
[07:33] <daba_sck> psycose: Ive heard you have to safe mode boot, and then add yourself to sudoers again
[07:33] <toxicfume> delire: i realyl don't know how to send them to you :|
[07:33] <Fator_Dee> psycose: you edit the sudoers with visudo
[07:34] <zenrox> iceman,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for java install
[07:34] <tiglionabbit> use restrictedformats
[07:34] <psycose> Fator_Dee: ?, it's a tips or a question ?
[07:34] <daba_sck> iceman: this may be helpful: http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#jre .
[07:34] <Fator_Dee> iceman: did you write the name correctly
[07:34] <teebones> somehow the ubuntuguide has strange recommendations
[07:34] <tiglionabbit> ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats  this one is fine
[07:34] <teebones> (like backports)
[07:35] <Fator_Dee> psycose: I don't know what to do, I just know that you did something that you shouldn't have done :-|
[07:35] <daba_sck> teebones: the java is fine.
[07:35] <teebones> ok
[07:35] <Fator_Dee> psycose: if you can't sudo, there's not much you can do but to boot it from a live-cd to do the necessary changes
[07:36] <teebones-afk> brb
[07:36] <psycose> yes but the people which have local acces is like my grandmother ;-)
[07:36] <Echelon-H> how can I change the default nick in xchat?
[07:36] <daba_sck> psycose, create a script file for them to run.
[07:36] <streuner> troll
[07:36] <daba_sck> send it to them in email.
[07:37] <Fator_Dee> psycose: well, life is tough :-| the best bet would be to wait that someone more knowledgeable would come to help
[07:37] <streuner> bob2: go and fuck yourself :-)
[07:37] <daba_sck> have them login safe mode as root, and run the script.
[07:37] <Echelon-H> k thats f**ing weird, I see the ubuntu update is downloading updates but then it says up to date.
[07:37] <daba_sck> streuner: whats your prob?
[07:37] <Echelon-H> and I mean downloading updates to the list.
[07:37] <teebones-afk> Echelon-H, to change nickname: /nick <newnickname>
[07:37] <daba_sck> :)
[07:37] <psycose> daba_sck ok thanks ...
[07:37] <goldfish> Echelon-H: use irssi !
[07:38] <goldfish> streuner: bye :)
[07:38] <Echelon-H> teebones-afk, and to make it the default oen?
[07:38] <tiglionabbit> echelon: when you hit reload, it downloads the package LISTS.  Not actual packages
[07:38] <Echelon-H> *one
[07:38] <Echelon-H> goldfish, huh?
[07:38] <daba_sck> bob2: how come, you werent even here?
[07:38] <daba_sck> the other sec..
[07:38] <goldfish> Echelon-H: xchat sucks :)
[07:38] <daba_sck> you remotely keep an eye on us?
[07:38] <bob2> daba_sck: he was being abusive in another channel, so I +q'd him there
[07:38] <Daylighthater> anybody who want's to help me furter with my bootsplash instalation, r0d went away and told me I could ask here
[07:38] <bob2> daba_sck: I do try to keep an eye on here...
[07:38] <konkorbol> hey...i want to use external crt monitor with my toshiba laptop...what should i do?
[07:38] <daba_sck> ah, ok, I get it.
[07:38] <daba_sck> :)
[07:38] <Echelon-H> tiglionabbit, but then I dont see the list and it says system is uptodate although I cann see it's download a list of updates.
[07:39] <Echelon-H> goldfish, you're wrong :)
[07:39] <zenrox> xchat rocks
[07:39] <goldfish> hehe
[07:39] <zenrox> if used proplery
[07:39] <goldfish> try irssi and you wont go back !
[07:39] <tiglionabbit> echelon-h: I don't know what you're talking about...
[07:39] <teebones-afk> Echelon-H, what exactly do you mean with (to make it the default oen)
[07:39] <teebones-afk> ?
[07:39] <bob2> konkorbol: find out if it's supported at all, for a start.  www.x.org should have a details.
[07:39] <daba_sck> bob2: but that way, you only ban his nick, right?
[07:40] <konkorbol> ok bob2 thank you
[07:40] <tiglionabbit> he wont like irssi unless he knows how to use it.  http://f0rked.com/core/irssi
[07:40] <Echelon-H> teebones-afk, when i enter xchat my nick is echelon, i always need to change it to echelon-h. how can i make echelon-h the default name?
[07:40] <daba_sck> bob2: or his user on his comp?
[07:40] <skoop> hi everyone
[07:40] <bob2> daba_sck: yes, he can easily get around if he wants to, but I'm hoping he'll just calm down
[07:40] <synd-> hey guys, how sharing my wireless (incoming) connection thru my NIC card (outgoing) ?
[07:40] <synd-> hey guys, how can i share my wireless (incoming) connection thru my NIC card (outgoing) ?
[07:40] <daba_sck> bob2: where do you chill out? #debian?
[07:40] <daba_sck> chill out:)
[07:40] <skoop> I'm having a slight problem with gnome right after upgrading from warty to hoary
[07:40] <bob2> daba_sck: #debian is even more stressful than here
[07:40] <teebones-afk> Echelon-H, go to X-chat-> server-list and change your nick
[07:40] <bob2> I chill out at the pub ;)
[07:41] <synd-> skoop,  most like to do a clean install when going from warty to hoary
[07:41] <daba_sck> sometimes I read the #debian...
[07:41] <Davey|Ubuntu> does anyone know someway to look at iTunes shares my roomies have on the network?
[07:41] <goldfish> tiglionabbit: nice guide. i must give it to my friends to try make them use it :)
[07:41] <synd-> Davey|Ubuntu, yes
[07:41] <Echelon-H> teebones-afk, thanks
[07:41] <synd-> Davey|Ubuntu, but i belive its a bit complicated
[07:41] <skoop> synd-: a clean install? can I do that without losing all my data and installed apps then?
[07:41] <teebones> Echelon-H, no prob
[07:41] <synd-> skoop, i dont believe so.
[07:41] <skoop> and basically, my problem is, or seems, small
[07:41] <Echelon-H> arrg but the problems with updates is very wierd.
[07:42] <skoop> I've got everything working again, but for some reason the menu has completely disappeared
[07:42] <synd-> ah, what is the problem skoop
[07:42] <Fator_Dee> skoop: installed apps will go, data depends on how you have partitioned your hd
[07:42] <skoop> there is a panel at the bottom of the screen which lists open apps, but there's no menu anymore
[07:42] <synd-> hey guys, how can i share my wireless (incoming) connection thru my NIC card (outgoing) ?
[07:42] <skoop> right-clicking on the panel doesn't do anything
[07:42] <daba_sck> skoop: right click the panel, add to panel, add the menu?
[07:42] <daba_sck> ahy
[07:42] <skoop> heh
[07:42] <skoop> thats what I tried already :-D
[07:42] <Fator_Dee> skoop: kill the menu?
[07:42] <bob2> synd-: no need to ask more than once
[07:42] <daba_sck> killall gnome-panel?
[07:43] <skoop> so I wont have a panel at all anymore?
[07:43] <Fator_Dee> it should come back to life automagically after
[07:43] <synd-> bob2, mm
[07:43] <daba_sck> well, you can restart it.
[07:43] <novaflare> hmm hos does one get the gtk xirssi irc client?
[07:43] <bob2> synd-: install the ipmasq package
[07:43] <synd-> skoop, no, it restarts it
[07:43] <synd-> bob2, via apt?
[07:43] <skoop> ok, I restarted it, still no right-click
[07:43] <goldfish> novaflare: irssi-text !
[07:43] <novaflare> not on my comp irc is always gui heh
[07:44] <teebones> :)
[07:44] <skoop> is there a config file I can edit?
[07:44] <bob2> synd-: yes
[07:44] <Echelon-H> what's the command to run the ubuntu update manager from the terminal?
[07:44] <geetergod> anyone know how i can get the sound to work in America's Army?
[07:44] <bob2> Echelon-H: update-manager...
[07:44] <^thehatsrule^> apt-get ?
[07:44] <tiglionabbit> sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:44] <Fator_Dee> novaflare: why do you need a gui to an application that shows nothing else but text ;-)
[07:44] <skoop> apt-get or synaptic?
[07:44] <teebones> geetergod, yes use alsa snd
[07:44] <synd-> bob2, ok, its installed.
[07:44] <novaflare> uh cause im on 3 irc networks on like 12 chans
[07:44] <geetergod> alsa snd?
[07:44] <Fator_Dee> novaflare: um, so?
[07:44] <Echelon-H> Okay that's weird.
[07:45] <tiglionabbit> novaflare: read the guide, you can do that with irssi
[07:45] <Echelon-H> can anyone go into the package manager and tell me if he see's some updates?
[07:45] <bob2> hah, 12 isnt very many
[07:45] <skoop> is there a config file I can edit to load the menu in gnome-panel?
[07:45] <teebones> geetergod, yes.. there are several sound systems on linux.. and ALSA is one of them
[07:45] <daba_sck> Echelon-H: it would be very specific to how your computer is configured.
[07:45] <daba_sck> what are you trying to do?
[07:45] <Echelon-H> I am trying to do reload, then it updates the list, "downloading package information" and then just nothing.
[07:45] <iceman> factor_dee thanks link walk right through ... cut and past and installed and working ... thatnk you ..
[07:45] <daba_sck> skoop: did you try killall gnome-panel?
[07:45] <emanuelez> hello... i'm running gentoo now but i'd like to switch to ubuntu. i'm thinking about  trying to crate a new partition on my HD and my the /home dir over there... would that make the switch easier?
[07:46] <tiglionabbit> echelon-h: that's what it's supposed to do
[07:46] <skoop> daba_sck: yup, tried it ... still no right-click response
[07:46] <synd-> bob2, ?
[07:46] <daba_sck> when you hit reload, that means it just reloads the package list, taht does not install anything.
[07:46] <bob2> synd-: what?
[07:46] <Echelon-H> whatever...
[07:46] <Echelon-H> im off to some other stuff now.. ttyl.
[07:46] <tiglionabbit> it gets the list of packages, okay?
[07:46] <novaflare> hush now or ill do somethign realy vulgar and run mirc .......
[07:46] <psycose> daba_sck could i use init to go to a special run level or should i restart the system ? thanks
[07:46] <novaflare> :)
[07:46] <bob2> emanuelez: depends if you have the same versions of things on gentoo as in ubuntu
[07:46] <synd-> bob2, what shall i do after i install the ipmasq ?
[07:46] <geetergod> i get this error in terminal for armyops
[07:46] <geetergod> geetergod@cpe-66-24-86-121:~$ armyops
[07:46] <geetergod> open /dev/[sound/] dsp: Device or resource busy
[07:46] <daba_sck> psycose: I have no clue, ask bob.
[07:46] <bob2> synd-: did you configure it as it was installed?
[07:47] <InkRose> Sorry to butt in like this, but I'm having trouble installing a current java. and yes, I am a noob.
[07:47] <tiglionabbit> geetergod: you probably need to configure esd like in the restricted formats faq I keep referring people to
[07:47] <skoop> daba_sck: which is why I'm looking for a gnome-panel config file :)
[07:47] <tiglionabbit> geetergod: also, you can't have two 3rd party apps that produce sound open at the same time
[07:47] <InkRose> I have tried the forums and other help sources
[07:47] <synd-> bob2, no, i just installed it. i tried sudo ipmasq, but im not sure what it did.
[07:47] <bob2> best to not use words like "noob"
[07:47] <geetergod> it was working before i restarted the computer
[07:47] <bob2> synd-: it's already running.
[07:47] <InkRose> but I guess I'm too windows-minded still
[07:48] <bob2> synd-: run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure ipmasq"
[07:48] <psycose> bob; well i've add +w to /etc/sudoers, i did not now about visudo yet ;-(, then sudo command is lock... i'm try to unlock it and set the /etc/sudoers to -w any tips ? thanks
[07:48] <emanuelez> bob2, it's not really about programs... i'm not using fancy preferences... i'm only interested in easy distro switching...
[07:48] <teebones> geetergod, what have you changed then, after it worked
[07:48] <geetergod> nothing
[07:48] <teebones> hmm
[07:48] <geetergod> i just restarted the computer
[07:48] <amonkey> is there a way to make things not appear on the gnome panels? like xmms or wine-systray.
[07:48] <bob2> emanuelez: then make a new /home and mount your old one somewhere else
[07:48] <tiglionabbit> geetergod: you might have it set to spawn esd
[07:48] <bob2> emanuelez: things like gnome get quite upset if you switch versions on it
[07:48] <synd-> bob2, ok. "Should PPP connection recompute the firewall?" yes/no ?
[07:49] <daba_sck> InkRose: I hate to do this, but, please follow http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#jre
[07:49] <tiglionabbit> try sudo killall esd and run the game again
[07:49] <bob2> amonkey: I imagine devilspie can do that
[07:49] <thoreauputic> InkRose: have you read http://ubuntuguide.org ? There's a section that walks you through installing java
[07:49] <amonkey> bob2, package?
[07:49] <geetergod> whats esd?
[07:49] <bob2> amonkey: yes
[07:49] <tiglionabbit> daba_sck: why do people always refer that over the restrictedformats one on ubuntu's wiki?
[07:49] <daba_sck> the enlightened sound demon
[07:49] <daba_sck> tiglionabbit: I dont always...
[07:49] <synd-> daemon, daba_sck
[07:49] <synd-> :p
[07:49] <psycose> bob2,  well i've add +w to /etc/sudoers, i did not now about visudo yet ;-(, then sudo command is locked... i'm try to unlock it and set the /etc/sudoers to -w any tips ? thanks
[07:49] <daba_sck> oh, right:)
[07:49] <bob2> psycose: reboot, keep hitting escape until you get to the grub menu, then choose "recovery" or "restore" or whatever the boot option is, then you'll get a root shell
[07:50] <Daylighthater> anybody who want's to help me furter with my bootsplash instalation, r0d went away and told me I could ask here
[07:50] <bob2> psycose: then -w /etc/sudoers, and don't do it again
[07:50] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: easier to remember URL I guess
[07:50] <emanuelez> bob2: ok... thx... so... what's the best tool to create a new partition on my HD?
[07:50] <InkRose> thoreau, yes, I have... but apparently I've been reading an old version? rev. 3.4 iirc
[07:50] <bob2> emanuelez: the ubuntu installer
[07:50] <amonkey> bob2, thanks
[07:50] <psycose> waou excellent thanks bob2 :-)
[07:50] <bob2> emanuelez: assuming you have free space
[07:50] <tiglionabbit> http://ubuntulinux.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:50] <bob2> synd-: do you want to do NAT or not?
[07:50] <tiglionabbit> it's just ubuntulinux wiki restrictedformats
[07:50] <emanuelez> bob2, i do
[07:50] <daba_sck> tiglionabbit: there is a wiki/java too
[07:51] <thoreauputic> InkRose: look at the link tiglionabbit posted
[07:51] <emanuelez> but i need to create a new home before i install ubuntu...
[07:51] <skoop> nobody know where gnome-panel keeps it's configuration files?
[07:51] <emanuelez> bob2, parted?
[07:51] <synd-> bob2, all i want to do is be able to share my internet with another desktop. i need to route the wireless net from the wireless card to the internal NIC
[07:51] <tiglionabbit> oh whoops
[07:51] <tiglionabbit> maybe that's not where I got the info for java
[07:51] <bob2> emanuelez: no, the ubuntu installer includes a partitioner
[07:51] <bob2> skoop: ~/.gnome2/
[07:52] <daba_sck> http://ubuntulinux.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats has a portion on Java, http://ubuntulinux.com/wiki/Java is what it links to.
[07:52] <bob2> skoop: i really doubt you can usefully edit them without gconf-editor, tho
[07:52] <tiglionabbit> I actually got it through a package on the multiverse somewhere
[07:52] <amonkey> bob2, devilspie won't run, .devilspie.xml does not exist.
[07:52] <InkRose> thoreau, I'm there
[07:52] <skoop> ok, I've just started gconf-editor
[07:52] <bob2> amonkey: ok!
[07:52] <imaek> How do I check if I have "modules" loaded?
[07:52] <tiglionabbit> ah yes, that's the one I got it from, daba
[07:52] <emanuelez> bob2, ok, but i wanna move my files to the new partition first
[07:52] <imaek> Like ieee1394 or ohci1394
[07:53] <InkRose> DLing it now
[07:53] <daba_sck> tiglionabbit: yes:)
[07:53] <bob2> emanuelez: ok
[07:53] <bob2> imaek: lsmod
[07:53] <tiglionabbit> =3
[07:53] <InkRose> I think I'll manage with that instruction set
[07:53] <emanuelez> bob2, not config files... thinkgs like documents, emails and so on
[07:53] <amonkey> bob2, oh i get it, nm.
[07:53] <skoop> ok, gconf-editor does list 'panel' under apps, it doesn't list a 'menu' in 'applets'. there is a 'menu_bar' entry under 'objects' though ...
[07:54] <bob2> synd-: this is not trivial if you don't know about networking
[07:54] <dougsk> emanuelez, you could look into parted command line, it's gotten quite friendly lately or qtparted or gparted even friendlier
[07:54] <imaek> bob2: How can I load the scsi disk module 'sd_mod'?
[07:54] <synd-> bob2, eh? i do know about networking
[07:54] <bob2> synd-: and it's 4am, so I don't have time to walk you through it
[07:54] <tiglionabbit> qtparted is quite nice.  You should grab it and try it out
[07:54] <synd-> bob2, ok.
[07:54] <emanuelez> dougsk, thx... i'll take a look :)
[07:54] <skoop> now is there a way to add that menu object to the panel?
[07:55] <synd-> bob2, but it can be done, correct?
[07:55] <tiglionabbit> skoop: right-click it and select add
[07:55] <bob2> synd-: oh, ok.  install a dhcp server on the desktop, and get it to listen on the wireless nic.  setup ip forwarding (echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward), and then setup trivial NAT on it (www.iptables.org, it's a 3 line shell script)
[07:55] <bob2> synd-: sure
[07:55] <bob2> synd-: dhcprelay might even work
[07:55] <skoop> tiglionabbit: nope, thats the problem. it's not working. I'm trying to use gconf-editor right now to add it to the menu
[07:55] <caine> hmm
[07:55] <bob2> anyway, good luck
[07:55] <skoop> tiglionabbit: I can't directly add it by right-clicking the panel, that gives no response
[07:56] <synd-> jeeze
[07:56] <drspin> Are there any known issues with Hoary and Ram usage climbing while the CPU just sits there??
[07:56] <synd-> osx made internet sharing easy :p
[07:56] <skoop> so did winXP ;)
[07:56] <Davey|Ubuntu> is there any graphical way to map mouse buttons to stuff?
[07:56] <synd-> boo winxp
[07:56] <teebones> ok.. gotta leave now.. speak you ubunty people soon
[07:56] <teebones> ;)
[07:56] <daba_sck> yup
[07:56] <thoreauputic> drspin: more likely to be a particular app
[07:57] <drspin> yeah but WinXP made using the internet difficult and expensive (firewall virusscan spyware)
[07:57] <skoop> re winXP/osx: my point is... not a good reason to start using it if it's only making internet sharing easier ;)
[07:57] <tiglionabbit> skoop - o sorry, didn't notice your first message there
[07:57] <skoop> oh and OSX doesn't make using the Internet expensive? ;)
[07:57] <imaek> How can I load the scsi disk module 'sd_mod'?
[07:57] <drspin> thoreauputic: any idea which app it might be?? or at least give me an idea how to find out?
[07:57] <daba_sck> skoop: screenshot?
[07:57] <Anubis> bzip2: I/O or other error, bailing out.  Possible reason follows.
[07:57] <Anubis> bzip2: Operation not permitted
[07:57] <Anubis>         Input file = lyric.tar.gz, output file = lyric.tar.gz.bz2
[07:57] <Anubis> bzip2: Deleting output file lyric.tar.gz.bz2, if it exists.
[07:57] <skoop> daba_sck: just a min, brb
[07:57] <bob2> imaek: same way you load any module, sudo modprobe blah
[07:57] <Anubis> why is it deleting the finished product?!?
[07:57] <thoreauputic> drspin: vmstat, top, ps aux ...
[07:57] <bob2> Anubis: your disk is broken, start backing up
[07:57] <lonewolff> ima ek: sudo  modprobe sd_mod
[07:58] <bob2> Anubis: the cable is at least loose/damaged
[07:58] <Anubis> bob2, bullshit
[07:58] <synd-> skoop, no.. alone its not a good reason to start using OS X. but along with other things, it may be. (i use OSX anyways)
[07:59] <bob2> Anubis: yes, I'm lying to you, you caught me
[07:59] <Davey|Ubuntu> I find it hard to believe their isn't a GUI for configuring extra mouse buttons
[07:59] <daba_sck> haha
[07:59] <daba_sck> bob2: :)
[07:59] <bob2> Davey|Ubuntu: very very few people actually care about more than 3
[07:59] <Anubis> when did we get trolls here?
[07:59] <bob2> Davey|Ubuntu: you could be the person to write it :)
[07:59] <caine> i need help
[07:59] <bob2> Anubis: dude, i/o error = kernel had trouble writing to the disk
[07:59] <bob2> Anubis: read dmesg and see what the problem was
[07:59] <lonewolff> cain: whats up
[08:00] <tiglionabbit> tell us the problem, caine
[08:00] <Shuddertrix> Anubis: You asked a stupid question..
[08:00] <daba_sck> Anubis: bob2 is an op here, and at #debian... maybe that explains it a little
[08:00] <Anubis> Shuddertrix, I did?
[08:00] <thoreauputic> Anubis: bob2 has a clue or two: i suggest you listen
[08:00] <bob2> daba_sck: that seems kinda tangental
[08:00] <Anubis> my disk is broken
[08:00] <skoop> ok, screenshot: http://pix.stefankoopmanschap.com/various/screenshot
[08:00] <Anubis> how vague can that be?
[08:00] <Shuddertrix> < Anubis> why is it deleting the finished product?!?
[08:00] <marjorie-t> Is it possible to start a program as a normall user in a start up script like bootmisc?
[08:00] <daba_sck> bob2: well, I now know why you ahve the attitude:)
[08:00] <bob2> Anubis: you want me to guess what physical problem your disk is having?
[08:00] <daba_sck> cause you hang at #debian all the time:_p
[08:00] <daba_sck> :-p
[08:00] <Anubis> Shuddertrix, show me the "stupidity' in that question?
[08:01] <bob2> Anubis: when I say broken, I mean "physically screwed up".
[08:01] <g14> marjorie-t: Yes, using sudo you can switch to users other than root
[08:01] <Anubis> are'nt all these questions the result of some form of ignorance?
[08:01] <bob2> Anubis: stop talking and read dmesg
[08:01] <delire> skoop: what's happened to your background?
[08:01] <marjorie-t> sweet thx
[08:01] <cocaine> what's good
[08:01] <skoop> delire: good question, the old background hasn't come back after the upgrade to hoary
[08:01] <Shuddertrix> Anubis: A lot like you didn't read the error message. Just go check dmesg now :P
[08:01] <thoreauputic> daba_sck: give him a break, dude - he helps people here all the time
[08:01] <Anubis> if this aint the place for "stupid" questions then when?
[08:01] <tiglionabbit> anubis: after it's printed a series of error messages, do you expect it to give you the 'finished product' after it's clearly said it's "bailing out" ?
[08:01] <delire> skoop: oh well, a minor issue
[08:01] <cocaine> hoary hedgehog
[08:01] <cocaine> haha
[08:01] <bob2> Anubis: this conversation is getting silly, just read dmesg and see what the kernel is saying about the disk
[08:01] <daba_sck> I give him all the breaks he needs:) I just speak, tho, as well.
[08:01] <tiglionabbit> that's like expecting a compiler to compile even with errors in your code
[08:01] <skoop> delire: yeah, setting the background is not the biggest problem right now ;)
[08:01] <bob2> Anubis: presumably you believe it won't lie to you ;-)
[08:02] <synd-> cocaine, ?
[08:02] <skoop> delire: once the menu is back, that is ;)
[08:02] <Anubis> so i get riddles and to assume this is good advice?
[08:02] <delire> cocaine: surely better than "horny hedgehog".
[08:02] <g14> bob2: It's a conspiricy :)
[08:02] <bob2> Anubis: if you don't understand someone's answer, say so
[08:02] <daba_sck> I respect you, and him, :) thoreauputic.
[08:02] <bob2> Anubis: do you know how to read the output of dmesg?
[08:02] <cocaine> what does hoary mean
[08:02] <Shuddertrix> Anubis: Type 'dmseg' in your favorite terminal and read it. Do it already, you're getting real help this time.
[08:02] <daba_sck> dict hoary
[08:02] <trygvebw> cocaine, nothing special :)
[08:02] <skoop> daba_sck: http://pix.stefankoopmanschap.com/various/screenshot ;)
[08:02] <HappyFool> ancient, old, more-or-less
[08:03] <daba_sck> skoop: right clicking on both panels does nothing?
[08:03] <tiglionabbit> http://webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=hoary&x=0&y=0
[08:03] <cocaine> so old as to aspire veneration haha
[08:03] <HappyFool> also, it's alliterative with hedgehog
[08:03] <bob2> inspire, yeah
[08:03] <skoop> daba_sck: correct, both give no response to a right click. unless I click one of the open windows
[08:03] <drspin> man vmstat ...r The number of process waiting for run-time... what does that mean?
[08:03] <Anubis> Shuddertrix, you going to tell me what I'm looking for?
[08:03] <drspin> "waiting for runtime"?
[08:03] <Anubis> or all of it is a clue?
[08:03] <daba_sck> can you reinstall your panel?
[08:03] <Davey|Ubuntu> how does one say hoary? Whorey? like, a little bit of a whore? :)
[08:03] <bob2> Anubis: please stop with the silly attidue
[08:04] <dbrodie> Anybody know where I can find ubuntu (-compatible) packages for the python bindings for cairo?
[08:04] <skoop> daba_sck: let me try that
[08:04] <bob2> Anubis: look at the bottom.  if you don't understand it, paste sections of it to #flood.
[08:04] <tiglionabbit> davey: yes
[08:04] <tiglionabbit> they make a joke about it in Romeo and Juliet I believe
[08:04] <daba_sck> he chuckled:)
[08:04] <Davey|Ubuntu> I'm surprised there is no GUI to map mouse buttons yet, I wish I had the know-how to write one, I would.
[08:04] <drspin> ... who chuckles??
[08:04] <drspin> :)
[08:04] <limer> I could swear Anubis and kestas are one in the same
[08:04] <bob2> Davey|Ubuntu: map them to what?
[08:05] <daba_sck> bob2: cant he use Xorg -configure to set up mouse buttons?
[08:06] <kent> When I add the nerim repositories it complains about GPG signatures.  How can i avoid this? It sais something about public key..
[08:06] <bob2> Davey|Ubuntu: if you mean, just the ordering, that can be done, but if you mean like "map this button to backwards in firefox", it can't really be done
[08:06] <Davey|Ubuntu> bob2: I have almost all my mouse buttons working now (MX700) just the two extra scrolling ones don't, nor the application selector
[08:06] <desrt> kent; there's something about this on the wiki
[08:06] <InkRose> thanks, throeau and tiglio, got it working now. =)
[08:06] <Davey|Ubuntu> I have my thumb buttons doing back/forward in FF :)
[08:06] <desrt> kent; you need to apt-key add the right signatures
[08:06] <daba_sck> kent: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/APTAuthenticationHowTo
[08:06] <daba_sck> I typed that out.
[08:07] <Davey|Ubuntu> and I have left/right/middle click, and scroll wheel working
[08:07] <bob2> Davey|Ubuntu: scrolling is application-specific, unfortunately
[08:07] <lonewolff> i used to have forward/back working but then an update messed it up :(
[08:07] <bob2> well, toolkit-specific
[08:07] <skoop> daba_sck: ok, reinstalled gnome-panel still the same situation.
[08:07] <Davey|Ubuntu> http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/print.php?articleid=46 <--- awesome setup guide, just ignore step 1 in hoary :)
[08:07] <skoop> daba_sck: but I've been looking, and it looks like it is not getting the config data from the right location
[08:07] <drspin> is the backport server offline??
[08:08] <daba_sck> kent, its not easy, yho... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[08:08] <drspin> skoop what is your dilemma?
[08:08] <daba_sck> drspin: use a mirror.
[08:08] <skoop> in ~/.gconf/apps/panel/profiles/default/ there's a lot of configuration info
[08:08] <skoop> drspin: gnome-panel gone awry after upgrade from warty to hoary
[08:08] <daba_sck> drspin: his panel looks like this: http://pix.stefankoopmanschap.com/various/screenshot and he cant right click to add to it.
[08:08] <dougsk> daba_sck, I thought backports were pretty much hosted on ubuntuforums?
[08:08] <skoop> drspin: no response to right click, menu is completely gone
[08:09] <daba_sck> yes, they are, I heard someone managed to access them through some mirror.
[08:09] <daba_sck> :)
[08:09] <dougsk> daba_sck, ntk, thanks
[08:09] <tiglionabbit> for me, my touchpad worked automatically, with all 4 scroll buttons on it, left and right, and even chordmiddle
[08:09] <marjorie-t> yo yo yo
[08:10] <tiglionabbit> and the scrolling side thing
[08:10] <psycose> thanks you guys
[08:10] <drspin> skoop -- probably silly suggestion but have you tried hosing your gconf and .Gnome dirs??
[08:10] <drspin> skoop -- I remember an issue like this where there was some lock file involved...
[08:10] <skoop> drspin: yeah, I've tried that earlier today. I can try it again just now to check if that solves something
[08:11] <daba_sck> GNAM!
[08:12] <cavediver> Hi guys. My VLC got removed all of a sudden and don't want to be installed again. Anyone have this problem? (Breezy)
[08:12] <tiglionabbit> hey, can I set up my playstation controller as a 16 button mouse?
[08:12] <thoreauputic> cavediver: /topic
[08:12] <zenrox> cavediver,  ya breezy is broken
[08:12] <bob2> cavediver: if you're using breezy, you should know how to debug apt stuff, and to check the BTS
[08:13] <daba_sck> bob2: does breezy's gnome look the same as the hoary one so far?
[08:13] <skoop> drspin: right, removed all .gnome and .gconf dirs and restarted gnome-panel ... still no difference
[08:13] <cavediver> Well I know it's broken. haven't seen any vlc issues though, i follow the forum closely
[08:13] <bob2> I don't think the themes have changed
[08:13] <thenuke> daba_sck: seems like so
[08:13] <bob2> cavediver: the lists would be a better source of information...
[08:13] <daba_sck> cause Hoary introduced the new places menu.
[08:14] <cavediver> Well ok.
[08:14] <thenuke> daba_sck: oops, I messed up hoary & warty =)
[08:14] <bob2> cavediver: but if vlc can't be installed, there should be a bug about it somewhere
[08:15] <daba_sck> skoop: on that screenshot, tried unchecking locked?
[08:15] <drspin> skoop -- sudo init 1 | #remove gconf with configuration | reinstall gconf | init 2 |
[08:15] <drspin> skoop -- this takes your system to single user mode then back to multi-user mode
[08:15] <Anubis> bob2, sorry for misunderstanding your help
[08:15] <bob2> woah
[08:15] <marjorie-t> Sorry about that  children temp comandeery kb
[08:15] <bob2> drspin: that's pretty drastic
[08:15] <bob2> Anubis: please don't assume the worst of people trying to help you
[08:15] <drspin> bob2: drastic or not -- it might work --
[08:15] <bob2> drspin: no more than "pkill gconf" would
[08:16] <marjorie-t> Am i being silly, when i sudo "user"  program i just get the syntax help from sudo and program runs as root
[08:16] <loz> if anyone speak french ?
[08:16] <bob2> marjorie-t: I don't know what that character is between "user" and program, but that's not how sudo works
[08:16] <cocaine> oui
[08:16] <bob2> marjorie-t: read the manpage, specificall ythe -u option
[08:16] <daba_sck> man, you suck, drew...
[08:17] <loz> je suis newbie sur irc
[08:17] <daba_sck> #ubuntu-fr
[08:17] <thoreauputic> marjorie-t: usually you just run `sudo <command>
[08:17] <daba_sck>  /join #ubuntu-fr
[08:17] <cocaine> loz, ok
[08:17] <loz> ok je crois comprendre pour joindre un fil frenchie faire /join ...
[08:17] <thoreauputic> loz: Il y a des francais au canal #ubuntu-fr
[08:18] <marjorie-t> bob2: its a pipe....
[08:18] <g14> marjorie-t: sudo -u user command
[08:18] <daba_sck> thoreauputic: you are good at those lines, where do you get them? is there a list for languages somewhere?
[08:18] <daba_sck> thoreauputic: noone alive there, anyhow.
[08:18] <thoreauputic> daba_sck: I grew up in Switzerland :)
[08:18] <cocaine> oui nous ne parlons pas franais
[08:18] <marjorie-t> ahhh ok
[08:18] <loz> comment le joindre ce canal ?
[08:18] <g14> marjorie-t: man sudo
[08:19] <cocaine> /join #ubuntu-fr
[08:19] <loz> ok
[08:19] <daba_sck> noone there, tho.
[08:19] <thenuke> daba_sck: 57 ppl in there
[08:20] <daba_sck> I mean, noone was speaking earlier, it seems there is one guy, now, tho.
[08:20] <thenuke> if they dont speak at the moment, you have to speak english in here
[08:20] <daba_sck> I spoke englsih tehre too, I dont know french:)
[08:21] <shdwdrgn284> how do you disable framebuffer on startup?
[08:21] <daba_sck> (13:20:29) gub: aheum mme ... (13:20:49) cocaine: english please ... (13:20:55) cocaine: anglais ... (13:20:57) daba_sck: ha ... (13:20:58) gub: non franais ... (13:21:06) cocaine: NON, ANGLAIS
[08:21] <delire> toxicfume: if not put it in there. take out ati if you see it in there and try rebooting and starting x
[08:22] <skoop> drspin: did as you asked, which removed a lot of packages, reinstalling gconf didnt really install back all those packages.
[08:22] <skoop> drspin: I had to install gnome-panel back myself
[08:22] <tiglionabbit> where would I put an xinput command I want to always apply (on startup) ?
[08:22] <skoop> drspin: but I'm still missing some stuff it seems. starting x now hangs on 'loading window manager'
[08:23] <shdwdrgn284> do you guys know how to disable framebuffer on startup?
[08:23] <daba_sck> you disable it, while starting up...
[08:23] <daba_sck> :-p
[08:23] <daba_sck> ok, thats it.
[08:23] <dougsk> skoop, maybe try installing ubuntu-desktop?
[08:23] <toxicfume> delire: what do you mean? i don't get it
[08:24] <rickard> is there a nice linux command that can do this: remove all jpg files from a directory, including all its subdirectories?
[08:24] <drspin> skoop -- apt-get ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop
[08:24] <skoop> dougsk: oh that would be too easy :-D
[08:24] <skoop> let me try that ;)
[08:24] <drspin> skoop -- or something like that...
[08:24] <dougsk> skoop, heh heh
[08:24] <shdwdrgn284> how though?
[08:24] <shdwdrgn284> HOW
[08:25] <daba_sck> just do it, as nike would say...or, as my mother would always say...I have no clue how to do it.
[08:25] <dougsk> shdwdrgn284, there should be a line in your /boot/grub/menu.1st about your kernel at the end is a line called vga=791 or some such just remove it
[08:26] <shdwdrgn284> ok thanks
[08:26] <thoreauputic> shdwdrgn284:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure --plow xserver-xorg and say "no" to the framnebuffer question
[08:26] <dougsk> shdwdrgn284, not the whole line just that lit bit vga=###
[08:26] <shdwdrgn284> ok
[08:27] <stimpie> how can I use a splash screen during startup with ubuntu?
[08:27] <shdwdrgn284> thanks a lot
[08:27] <g14> rickard: find /whatever/directory -name *.jpg -exec rm -f {} \;
[08:27] <Amaranth> stimpie: splashy
[08:27] <delire> stimpie: or bootsplash
[08:27] <Amaranth> stimpie: google should bring up something, otherwise searching the forums might
[08:28] <stimpie> ok but is it supported in the standard kernel or do I need to compile my own kernel?
[08:28] <dr_willis> Hmm- whats the bluetooth tools for gnome anyway? trying to get some pics off my cellphone
[08:28] <dr_willis> I rembver seeing them under KDE> but not gnome.
[08:28] <g14> bootsplash is a real pain to set up if the distro's init scripts don't support it (ubuntu doesn't)
[08:29] <stimpie> I used bootsplash with gentoo which wasnt too hard. But I switched to ubuntu because I don't wanna do all that stuff by hand
[08:30] <drspin> I must Say XFCE is lovely :) I much prefer it over metacity --
[08:30] <skoop> oh boy
[08:30] <skoop> you won't believe it
[08:30] <skoop> we're back at the old situation
[08:31] <r0d> stimpie, yea im trying to setup my bootsplash pic right now...
[08:31] <skoop> no menu, no right-click response on the panel
[08:32] <thoreauputic> skoop: does the same thing happen with a new/different user?
[08:32] <skoop> thoreauputic: checking that now
[08:33] <skoop> thoreauputic: yes, same thing also happens with a completely new user
[08:33] <thoreauputic> skoop: :(
[08:34] <drspin> skoop :(
[08:35] <skoop> so it does seem to be a problem with hoary :(
[08:35] <medkit_> hi all again
[08:35] <skoop> or at least with my hoary ;)
[08:36] <skoop> I upgraded from warty to hoary by changing the sources.list and doing apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:36] <skoop> that should work, right?
[08:36] <drspin> thoreauputic: is there a way to remove every package in ubuntu-desktop without doing it individually?
[08:36] <thoreauputic> skoop: normally, yes, assuming you got it right
[08:37] <skoop> thoreauputic: I followed the instructions on ... I believe ubuntuguide.org
[08:37] <thoreauputic> drspin: deborphan/defoster maybe
[08:37] <medkit_> Howto mount IDE Harddisks attached to a PCI IDE Controller? Device is called HPT372A with 4 IDE channels.
[08:37] <thoreauputic> *debfoster
[08:37] <thoreauputic> drspin: why would you want to ?
[08:38] <daba_sck> just remove the panel...
[08:38] <daba_sck> if you are gonna remove...
[08:38] <thoreauputic> skoop: do you/ did you have any 3rd party repos like nerim/marillat?
[08:38] <skoop> backports
[08:38] <skoop> is the only one
[08:38] <thoreauputic> skoop: oh dear - that might be the trouble right there
[08:38] <skoop> oooh...
[08:39] <skoop> really?
[08:39] <skoop> never had trouble with backports when using warty actually ;)
[08:39] <thoreauputic> skoop: I don't trust backports, and they can cause conflicts
[08:39] <HappyFool> medkit_: take a look in /proc/ide (ls /proc/ide) -- it has info on the ide channels etc that have been detected
[08:39] <skoop> outcomment backports and reinstall gconf again?
[08:39] <thoreauputic> skoop: worth a shot
[08:39] <drspin> skoop: killall -HUP gnome-panel
[08:40] <skoop> drspin: to do what? restarting the panel is something we've done before on several occasions now...
[08:40] <skoop> let me try to re-install gconf without backports
[08:41] <drspin> skoop: just googling a bit and thought I'd give it a go...
[08:41] <thoreauputic> skoop: you have ubuntu-desktop instaled, right?
[08:41] <skoop> thoreauputic: yes, I have that one
[08:41] <daba_sck> skoop: um, when upgrading, if you have3 backports, my complete X system got borked...
[08:41] <jeff25> where are my kde menus and gnone menu's installed to?
[08:42] <thoreauputic> skoop: frankly,, I'd steer clear of backports
[08:42] <skoop> backports has already been removed from my sources.list ;)
[08:42] <skoop> with warty, backports was the only way of getting a firefox 1.0 afaik
[08:42] <christos> does beep media player support mp3?
[08:43] <drspin> christos: yes
[08:43] <medkit_> HappyFool, possibly ide0 and ide1?
[08:43] <thoreauputic> skoop: hmm - I installed the moz binary of firefox at the time (in my home dir)
[08:44] <christos> i installed beep media player through synaptic - when i try to play mp3s it freezes
[08:44] <vulcanoo> bonsoir  tous
[08:44] <HappyFool> medkit_: i would guess ide2 and greater, assuming you have two onboard IDE channels
[08:44] <thoreauputic> christos: set the output to esound
[08:45] <christos> thanx it works
[08:45] <thoreauputic> christos: :)
[08:46] <delire> what is the package name given to the kernel-sources in ubuntu? on debian it's kernel-source-$(uname -r). is there an ubuntu specific source package for the 2.6.10 kernels?
[08:46] <medkit_> HappyFool, 2 onboard ide channels, these are ide0 and ide1. So the controller channels are not listed in /proc/ide
[08:46] <christos> i have another problem  - i can't here my speakers
[08:46] <delire> <-- debian
[08:46] <thoreauputic> delire: linux-source
[08:46] <anna> how can i debootstrap breezy from hoary?
[08:46] <delire> ahah. cheers
[08:46] <christos> headphones work but the max volume is low
[08:47] <HappyFool> medkit_: is it possible that they will look like scsi drives ? see e.g., http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2003-Feb/1719.html
[08:47] <pixelmonkey> does anyone here know if you can force QT applications to use your KDE theme in any easy way... I run Gnome normally, but like my KDE apps to use Plastik and would like my only QT, non-KDE app (Skype) to use Plastik too
[08:47] <thoreauputic> christos: run alsamixer in a terminal, check for muted channels
[08:48] <pixelmonkey> I tried qtconfig but it doesn't list my KDE styles there
[08:48] <thoreauputic> christos: mm (m to change)
[08:48] <medkit_> HappyFool, yes, under windows the controller is always treated as scsi controller.
[08:48] <HappyFool> medkit_: try 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi' -- does it list anything
[08:48] <anna> how can i debootstrap breezy from hoary?
[08:48] <delire> thoreauputic: do you need a special repository to do aquire the linux kernel sources? helping someone out here..
[08:48] <thoreauputic> anna: don't. See /topic
[08:49] <thoreauputic> delire: should be in main I think
[08:49] <delire> thoreauputic: ok cheers
[08:49] <christos> thanx two out of two
[08:49] <anna> Well, thoreauputic, I may still want to work on Breezy chroot?
[08:50] <thoreauputic> anna: sure, up to you : if you enjoy pain, go ahead ;D
[08:50] <medkit_> HappyFool, yes, an sda harddisk wich is attached to the onboard SATA Controller. This is a Sil3112. Nohing else.
[08:50] <thoreauputic> delire: the src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list must be uncommented of course
[08:51] <thoreauputic> christos: you have speaker sound then?
[08:51] <flodine> a guy my gnome wont come up i need help
[08:51] <nobert_> nothing
[08:51] <nobert_> what?
[08:51] <flodine> help a poor linux guy
[08:52] <amonkey> when is the firefox version issue going to be fixed? or did i miss it...
[08:52] <BoarderTX> hey whats up everyone
[08:52] <thoreauputic> flodine: you need to be more specific about what is happening
[08:52] <flodine> i loaded fluxbox and now my gnome wont come up
[08:52] <skoop> right guys, no backports anymore, but still the same menu problem
[08:52] <delire> thoreauputic: yes, cheers.
[08:52] <flodine> help
[08:52] <BoarderTX> i just came across ubuntu on distrowatch, what a nice distro, at least thus far
[08:52] <BoarderTX> nice changes to gnome, etc.
[08:53] <thoreauputic> flodine: what do you mean "loaded" ?
[08:53] <anna> how can i debootstrap breezy from hoary?
[08:53] <thoreauputic> flodine: you were in fluxbox and now you don't get a login screen ?
[08:53] <flodine> is says my xsession has a error
[08:53] <skoop> is there an easy way to get rid of *all* packages that might've been installed from backports?
[08:53] <thoreauputic> flodine: what says that?
[08:53] <flodine> when i log in
[08:54] <skoop> something like apt-get reinstall-all or whatever?
[08:54] <medkit_> HappyFool, alright, found it. It is an Highpoint Controller and there are some Linux driver available for it.
[08:54] <thoreauputic> flodine: try running the failsafe gnome session
[08:54] <HappyFool> medkit_: yeah, i was going to post this: http://www.usenetlinux.com/archive/index.php/t-109608.html  -- looks like you might need a custom kernel driver
[08:55] <flodine> that wont open
[08:55] <flodine> failsafe
[08:55] <thoreauputic> flodine: if that doesn't work, run `sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart ` in the failsafe terminal
[08:55] <christos> yes i have speaker sound now
[08:55] <Hackmo> hey all, how can I tell if my webcam has been detected?
[08:55] <thoreauputic> flodine: if you can't do that, ctrl-alt-F1 , login and run that command
[08:56] <skoop> any more ideas before I go and re-install a clean hoary?
[08:56] <thoreauputic> christos: great :)
[08:56] <holycow> *sigh*
[08:56] <linuxboyfriend> hi all
[08:56] <holycow> yet another beautiful laptop falls to windows
[08:56] <thoreauputic> skoop: you could try xfce4 :)
[08:56] <holycow> i can't wait to finish our pilot so i can forever stop installing winshit
[08:56] <skoop> thoreauputic: well, this is my wife's PC and she was just getting used to gnome
[08:56] <skoop> so I'd prefer sticking to gnome :-D
[08:56] <LinuxJones> Hackmo, dunno if this helps but have a peek >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[08:56] <linuxboyfriend> i am a dialup user, how can i connect to internet in ubuntu?
[08:57] <thoreauputic> skoop: I see :(
[08:57] <delire> toxicfume: then go get a coffee.. see you back here in five minutes ;)
[08:57] <thoreauputic> linuxamoeba21: do you have an external hardware modem?
[08:57] <skoop> thoreauputic: how easy is xfce? I've always used fluxbox and am now using openbox, so I've no experience with xfce
[08:57] <caine> Shuddertrix: you there man?
[08:57] <skoop> thoreauputic: would a windows-minded person be able to easily use xfce?
[08:57] <HappyFool> linuxboyfriend: you can use the gnome networking took to setup your dialup
[08:57] <LinuxJones> linuxboyfriend, you can try in network-admin
[08:58] <thoreauputic> skoop: xfce4 is very nice, and more "newb friendly" than fluxbox etc
[08:58] <BoarderTX> i have ndiswrapper saying that my wireless card driver as well as hardware is present...but i can't get on the net, nor does antyhing but l0 show up on ifconfig...THOUGHTs?
[08:58] <medkit_> HappyFool, that sounds difficult.
[08:58] <skoop> well yeah, fluxbox is hard for newbies, that much I know ;)
[08:58] <HappyFool> linuxboyfriend: however, if you have a winmodem there may be extra work involved
[08:58] <Hackmo> LinuxJones: yeah i've had a look at that link and my webcam is supported(the only phillips one on there) and it  says it should work on boot up, it doesn't though
[08:58] <thoreauputic> skoop: xfce is a bit mac like in some ways
[08:58] <skoop> xfce4 runs well on ubuntu?
[08:58] <^thehatsrule^> yes skoop it does
[08:58] <linuxboyfriend> HappyFool: yeah i have winmodem
[08:58] <thoreauputic> skoop: it's great
[08:58] <drspin> skoop: I use XFCE4 with nautilus (from gnome) my memory footprint is about half :) :)
[08:59] <LinuxJones> Hackmo, it is a usb device ?
[08:59] <thoreauputic> skoop: xfce4 is well worth trying
[08:59] <Hackmo> LinuxJones: yeah
[08:59] <skoop> drspin: interesting
[08:59] <skoop> thoreauputic: interesting as well :)
[08:59] <HappyFool> medkit_: i wouldn't worry about the initrd stuff mentioned on that page, unless you want to put your boot partition on those discs
[08:59] <skoop> how easy is it in xfce to manage menu entries?
[08:59] <HappyFool> linuxboyfriend: do you know what make?
[08:59] <skoop> does ubuntu create menu entries in xfce automatically?
[08:59] <thoreauputic> skoop: make sure you install the xfce4 package and not just "xfce"
[08:59] <Kejk_PL> hi, I have a problem with making modprobe (hotpllug) using permanently card=70 option for bttv module
[08:59] <thoreauputic> skoop: yup
[08:59] <goldfish> skoop: i found it did for most things.
[08:59] <drspin> skoop: yup
[09:00] <LinuxJones> Hackmo, ok unplug it then plug it back in again then type sudo dmesg it should give you some messages at the end of that output.
[09:00] <skoop> hmmm
[09:00] <Kejk_PL> like here, but this don't resoleve problem: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimedia
[09:00] <Shuddertrix> and firefox. no memory problems here.
[09:00] <thoreauputic> skoop: try it - not a big download
[09:00] <linuxboyfriend> HappyFool: i have driver of my modem but it is in .tgz form and i dont know how to install it?
[09:00] <skoop> already given the apt-get install xfce command ;)
[09:00] <HappyFool> linuxboyfriend: what's the tgz's full name ? What sort of modem do you have?
[09:00] <skoop> can I select xfce on the gpm login screen?
[09:01] <tiglionabbit> skoop: I believe you have to write a .desktop entry for it
[09:01] <christos> i m using apt-get and i can't find mplayer package - i have uncommented the various lines from sources.list
[09:01] <r0d> how are you able to use splashimages on here???
[09:01] <Kejk_PL> if I write modprobe bttv card=70 everything is all right
[09:01] <linuxboyfriend> my modem is Intel 536EP and the file name is intel536ep.tgz
[09:01] <HappyFool> linuxboyfriend: ah
[09:01] <HappyFool> linuxboyfriend: i have one of those too
[09:01] <skoop> tiglionabbit: a .desktop entry? hm... *goes off to check how to do that*
[09:01] <Hackmo> LinuxJones: yeah I get a lot of error messagse and the last one says "pwc Disconnected while webcam is in use!"
[09:02] <tiglionabbit> skoop: You can have mine
[09:02] <Hackmo> LinuxJones: it isn't in use though
[09:02] <yahalom> anyone here use pppoe?
[09:02] <HappyFool> linuxboyfriend: and unless Intel have recently released a new driver, you'll have to do a little bit of work to get it going
[09:02] <skoop> tiglionabbit: oh, that would be great :)
[09:02] <thoreauputic> skoop: you needed the "apt-get install xfce4" command (note the 4)
[09:02] <skoop> thoreauputic: oops :)
[09:02] <HappyFool> linuxboyfriend: read this page for more instructions: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IntelFiveThreeSixEPModemHowto
[09:02] <christos> i m using apt-get and i can't find mplayer package - i have uncommented the various lines from sources.list. why??
[09:02] <thoreauputic> skoop: try again: you'll be disappointed otherwise
[09:02] <skoop> thoreauputic: doing now :)
[09:03] <tiglionabbit> skoop: but try it first.  Go to system tools -> new login  to run gdm in virtual terminal 8
[09:03] <HappyFool> linuxboyfriend: please let me know if there's anything you don't understand -- i'll update the page if there is
[09:03] <thoreauputic> christos: it's in multiverse
[09:03] <flodine> ok still need help with gnome
[09:03] <linuxboyfriend> HappyFool: can you guide me that from where i can get the driver and how can I install it
[09:03] <skoop> tiglionabbit: except that I can't go to system tools since I have no menu ;)
[09:03] <medkit_> HappyFool, booting from the HPT372 is not intended. In the post i'm still missing the step on how to make the harddisks on the HPT work.
[09:03] <HappyFool> linuxboyfriend: please read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IntelFiveThreeSixEPModemHowto
[09:03] <flodine> a guys i get a gnome-session: 8119 error
[09:04] <flodine> whats that
[09:04] <anna> how can i debootstrap breezy from hoary?
[09:04] <yahalom> when my adsl disconnect i cannot reconnect by typing in the command. the only way i can do it is by rebooting.
[09:04] <QMario> Can the Totem Movie Player play DVDs?
[09:04] <skoop> tiglionabbit: I'll just try it :)
[09:04] <HappyFool> medkit_: i imagine you'll need to get the highpoint controller, as you mentioned before, possibly compile it (or pieces of it), and load the final module
[09:04] <linuxboyfriend> HappyFool: ok give me some time
[09:04] <skoop> QMario: I personally like xine more for DVD's
[09:04] <goldfish> vlc is cool too
[09:04] <LinuxJones> Hackmo, I guess you will have to do some googling :)
[09:04] <flodine> well no more gnome help
[09:05] <BoarderTX> weird question, how do you get to root in ubuntu terminal?
[09:05] <BoarderTX> its saying my password when i try to su is wrong
[09:05] <flodine> come on ubuntu folks
[09:05] <thoreauputic> skoop: xfce4 should put an entry in your gdm sessions, by the way, so you can select it easily
[09:05] <yahalom> nobody uses adsl for goodness sake?
[09:05] <anna> BoardeTx: sudo bash
[09:05] <HappyFool> medkit_: if you need to compile kernel modules, install packages build-essential and linux-headers-386 (or possibly -686, or whatever kernel image you're running)
[09:05] <anna> BoarderTX: or sudo passwd and set a password
[09:05] <BoarderTX> anna: why is that way? thats not standard is it?
[09:05] <Ryan_> Please!!! someone get this dam torrent tracker up!!
[09:06] <zaphands> Hello everyone! when I "su" the password is correct but when i enter the password in X applications it's wrong. any one konws what to do?
[09:06] <BoarderTX> nice
[09:06] <BoarderTX> thanks
[09:06] <anna> BoarderTX: No it is not.... but it works ok
[09:06] <tiglionabbit> zaphands: use your user password, it runs sudo, not su
[09:06] <Hackmo> LinuxJones: i've been googling for days now, thanks for your help though :)
[09:06] <BoarderTX> i did the sudo passwd
[09:06] <flodine> hello can i get a little help
[09:06] <anna> They disabled root by default
[09:06] <zaphands> ahhh thanks!
[09:06] <zaphands> thanks tiglionabbit
[09:06] <BoarderTX> anna: i'm a solaris guy professionally, how come they use sudo istead of just su?
[09:07] <r0d> how do you use splashimages on here?
[09:07] <anna> BoarderTX: With sudo you get the password memorized for some time
[09:07] <flodine> can someone tell me why im getting gnome-session: 8119 errors
[09:07] <LinuxJones> Hackmo, I don't have a webcam but wish I could be of more help :(
[09:07] <anna> BoarderTX: So series of root commands need no re-enter of it
[09:07] <HappyFool> medkit_: you can do installations using synaptic; both packages ( -386 for headers) are on the install CD
[09:07] <thoreauputic> BoarderTX: see  ubuntulinux.org/wiki/rootsudo
[09:08] <BoarderTX> anna: thanks
[09:08] <thoreauputic> BoarderTX: that url may be wrong, I just typed it from memory
[09:08] <HappyFool> BoarderTX: I think the reason 'why' is that this way you can't actually login as root.
[09:08] <Hackmo> LinuxJones: it's ok thanks for trying, maybe you could help me out with another problem i'm having though, do you know how to turn on surround sound support?
[09:08] <anna> That's on top of it :p
[09:08] <zaphands> tiglionabbit, now it says: Child terminated with 1 status. I tried to load add remove programs.
[09:08] <BoarderTX> i have ndiswrapper in my /etc/modules and /etc/hotplug/blacklist and ndiswrapper is reporting a driver and hardware present
[09:08] <QMario> Where can I download libdvdcss?
[09:08] <BoarderTX> so i know it sees the darn thing, now i just gotta figure out how come its not under iwconfig or ifconfig
[09:08] <medkit_> HappyFool, i have the modules and Kernel 2.6.10-5-k7 and gcc but this compiling thing is one step beyond my capabilities. But i thank you for now. I will try to learn this.
[09:09] <Raskall> a bit off topic, but is the following possible? Scenario: my home network is down due to power outage or something. When people try to contact my web services I then want them redirected to another out of the house web server with the message "Temporary down. Check back later".
[09:09] <HappyFool> medkit_: hopefully the module comes with a README or INSTALL file. If you have difficulties, please ask here
[09:10] <thoreauputic> Raskall: I think dyndns.org provide a redirection servicee
[09:10] <Shuddertrix> Raskall: I know no-ip has such a service, allowing for a remote url for your no-ip subdomain, but if such a server tool was available, I'd be all over it.
[09:10] <thoreauputic> *service
[09:10] <BoarderTX> why would "modprobe ndiswrapper" cause a reboot? is that  acrash?
[09:11] <Raskall> thoreauputic, Shuddertrix: all my domains and records are static.
[09:11] <Shuddertrix> Raskall: round robin?
[09:11] <Shuddertrix> I suppose that might work, but you'd have to check the details (in other words, i'm taking a guess)
[09:12] <Raskall> Shuddertrix: then I guess I will have to pay extra to my domain pusher. my domain pusher only allows me to create A, CNAME and MX.
[09:12] <BoarderTX> anyone have experience getting there wifi to work with ubuntu?
[09:12] <Raskall> and I don't want to run my own dns server.
[09:12] <Shuddertrix> Raskall: I chose no-ip for handling my home domain..
[09:13] <Shuddertrix> They do that, and why didn't I think of that? Heh.
[09:13] <flodine> dang o help in ubuntu for me wow
[09:13] <HappyFool> QMario: read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats -- to a text search for 'libdvdcss'
[09:13] <Raskall> Shuddertrix: ok. I think that's too much hassle. Having to manually update stuff every 30 days or so. Especially when I have static IP
[09:14] <Shuddertrix> Raskall: I haven't updated my ip for a couple of months now, and my no-ip domain still works (nice little "The web server is still under construction. Click here for the FTP"
[09:15] <skoop> thanks guys. my wife seems to like xfce4
[09:15] <Shuddertrix> I have a static ip also ;)
[09:15] <thoreauputic> skoop: cool :)
[09:15] <Shuddertrix> Well, mainly static. The ip switchs between 2, if the other one doesn't work, I just reboot the cable modem :P
[09:15] <Raskall> Shuddertrix: hmm.. are you running the no-ip update client?
[09:15] <Shuddertrix> Raskall: Nope.
[09:16] <Raskall> Shuddertrix: hmm..
[09:16] <Shuddertrix> anyways, i'm going outside.
[09:16] <Shuddertrix> Maybe somebody nice will throw me a good hot dog, and i'll throw them one of my ubuntu cd's back. :D
[09:16] <cablefish> something is wrong
[09:17] <cablefish> Whatever mp3 player i choose it hangs whenever i start playing an mp3 file
[09:17] <cablefish> all other sound's fine
[09:17] <cablefish> what could be wrong? Do i need a special lib?
[09:18] <thoreauputic> cablefish: have you tried xmms or beep-media-player with esound output plugin set?
[09:18] <skoop> cablefish: what software?
[09:18] <cablefish> thoreauputic, I've tried both beep and xmms, and they have the exact same problem; they hang when I press play.
[09:19] <cablefish> skoop, both xmms and beep so far. I haven't tried any other, but it plays .wav-files fine with some built-in program
[09:19] <thoreauputic> cablefish: with esound set in the preferences?
[09:19] <drspin> cablefish: warty or hoary?
[09:19] <St0n3-C0l> what happened to backports ?
[09:19] <thoreauputic> cablefish: I suggest you  try beep with esound output set
[09:19] <St0n3-C0l> 403 Forbidden
[09:19] <daba_sck> does anyone have a clue(and I really mean just a clue would be greatly appreciated) about how I would go about taking a screenshot of a wm other than gnome, like some of the weirder ones, like blackbox, 9wm, and whatnot.
[09:20] <medkit_> HappyFool, dmesg tells that hpt366 ide_disk and hpt 34x are linked in but not 372A.
[09:20] <cablefish> drspin, hoary. thoreauputic, I'm trying to find the esound setting
[09:20] <cyber23> hello
[09:20] <skoop> daba_sck: the gimp's screenshot option?
[09:20] <cyber23> trying to get my ati x800 pro working
[09:20] <thoreauputic> cablefish: in prefs, beep, output plugin
[09:20] <thoreauputic> under plugins
[09:20] <cyber23> when I do glxinfo I get direct rendering: No
[09:20] <drspin> cablefish: I use the OSS or Alsa output plugins for XMMS -- just seems to work better... don't even think I run ESD
[09:20] <cyber23> how do I change
[09:21] <thoreauputic> daba_sck: install imagemagick, use "import -window root"
[09:21] <daba_sck> skoop: so, open the gimp, and try to take a screenshot through that, hey?
[09:21] <cablefish> thoreauputic, okay. I'll check it out right now
[09:21] <yahalom> what is this: Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Release
[09:21] <yahalom> Err http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-extras/restricted Packages
[09:21] <yahalom>   403 Forbidden
[09:21] <skoop> daba_sck: yes, let me see how the option is called
[09:21] <yahalom> why forbiden?
[09:21] <daba_sck> you are not aloowed anymore, they are on to you...
[09:21] <[Spooky] > anyone have a good guide/howto to make a new partition ?
[09:22] <skoop> daba_sck: file -> acquire -> screen shot
[09:22] <drspin> cablefish: I also disabled the XMMS-Gstreamer plugin -- gstreamer isn't ready yet -- I'm using libmpg123 plugin
[09:22] <daba_sck> thanks, yo!
[09:22] <skoop> daba_sck: np
[09:22] <daba_sck> imagemagick is already the newest version.
[09:22] <daba_sck> ok, we shall try this, then.
[09:22] <jp> COOL
[09:22] <jp> WHAT's new?
[09:22] <cyber23> can anyone help me with my video card
[09:22] <skoop> cyber23: what kind of video card?
[09:23] <cablefish> thoreauputic, yes!! eSound did it. :o)
[09:23] <thenuke> cyber23: dont ask to ask, just ask the question
[09:23] <tiglionabbit> spooky: well it's not very hard..
[09:23] <drspin> GEEZ installing M$ takes FOREVER!!!!
[09:23] <yahalom> anyone else get this?
[09:23] <yahalom> thoreauputic, u know what this is?
[09:23] <daba_sck> thoreauputic: where does the image go? there is a magick.miff in the fodler.
[09:23] <cablefish> thoreauputic, drspin, skoop, thanks a bundle!
[09:23] <skoop> drspin: and this is a surprise to you? ;)
[09:23] <cyber23> x800 pro
[09:23] <yahalom> lol
[09:23] <QMario> How do I install libdvdcss?
[09:23] <skoop> QMario: use synaptic?
[09:24] <cyber23> I get a Hall error when trying to play pc game
[09:24] <yahalom> sudo apt-get install libdvdcss
[09:24] <drspin> skoop: no I just had forgotten -- been bout 2.5 years since my last reinstall -- I have to do it again for work VPN rules :)
[09:24] <thenuke> cyber23: you still do not ask anything else than if someone can read your mind
[09:24] <QMario> Neither xine nor totem can play DVDs without libdvdcss.
[09:24] <thoreauputic> daba_sck: I think you can specify a filename : it goes in the working dir you call it from
[09:24] <skoop> drspin: poor you
[09:24] <drspin> skoop: indeed but I can work from home again :)
[09:24] <QMario> Synaptic Package Manager does not have libdvdcss.
[09:24] <daba_sck> yeah, but there is a magick.miff file, is there a program that opens those?
[09:24] <delire> QMario: "<yahalom> sudo apt-get install libdvdcss"
[09:24] <skoop> right, still need to do the dishes :(
[09:24] <tiglionabbit> qmario: you might have to add repositories
[09:24] <cyber23> how do I change direct rendering: No to a YES
[09:24] <yahalom> delire, thanx :)
[09:24] <skoop> see ya guys later on
[09:24] <drspin> skoop: and I'm using a VM for it so I can continue my normal linux activites :) :) :)
[09:24] <daba_sck> yup
[09:24] <skoop> drspin: hehe
[09:25] <thoreauputic> daba_sck: magick.miff ? never heard of it
[09:25] <QMario> Who is <yahalom>?
[09:25] <delire> yahalom: np ;)
[09:25] <cyber23> fgl_glxgears doesn't work I get an error
[09:25] <daba_sck> what does it save as?
[09:25] <delire> jesus
[09:25] <tiglionabbit> qmario: go to settings->Repositories.  Select settings, check "Show disabled repositorios".  Now you may check boxes
[09:25] <daba_sck> thoreauputic: like a png file?
[09:25] <daba_sck> should I man imagemagick?
[09:26] <QMario> Delire, The package is not available.
[09:26] <yahalom> QMario, me. just type what delire quoted
[09:26] <thoreauputic> daba_sck: aha  - do ` display magick.miff `
[09:26] <cyber23> I need a good site on how to setup a x800 pro in ubuntu
[09:26] <daba_sck> hey, nice:) thoreauputic.
[09:27] <thoreauputic> daba_sck: you can specify something sane like *.png though
[09:27] <Daylighthater> has anyone got project looking glass running on his pc??
[09:27] <daba_sck> thoreauputic: which man shoudl I read?
[09:27] <drspin> did everyone see the article on /. about switching from linux to windows the other day -- it shoots down all kinds of negative feedback linux gets :)
[09:27] <drspin> Good read...
[09:27] <drspin> it was yesterday or the day before I believe
[09:27] <BoarderTX> anyone with ndsiwrapper experience, hit me up, thanks
[09:28] <thoreauputic> daba_sck: hmm - man imagemagick
[09:28] <daba_sck> yeah, I thought so, thanks!
[09:28] <thoreauputic> daba_sck: gives you all the many options
[09:28] <medkit_> I need to remove the linked modules "hpt366 ide_disk" and  "hpt34x generic" from my 2.6.10-5-k7 Kernel. I have gcc, Kernel Heades and Sources. Someone to guide me along?
[09:28] <QMario> I still can't find libdvdcss, but I did find mplayer.
[09:29] <daba_sck> thoreauputic: pretty powerfull...
[09:29] <QMario> Thank you anyway. :-D
[09:29] <thoreauputic> daba_sck: it does all kinds of cool conversions etc
[09:30] <cyber23> I need help with setting up my video card.... can someone help me get it working
[09:30] <yahalom> ah ok the repos changed i didnt know
[09:30] <thoreauputic> daba_sck: very useful suite of programs
[09:30] <daba_sck> thoreauputic: yeah, I can see it is very low level and works...
[09:30] <daba_sck> a suite.
[09:31] <terasurfer> cyber23: can you tell us what kind of card it is?
[09:31] <daba_sck> I have issues, tho...I should be in bed...
[09:31] <cyber23> ATI x800 pro
[09:31] <laosiano> how do i configure xscreensaver to allow new logins instead of locking the screen???
[09:31] <terasurfer> cyber23: wish i could help you, i've always used nVidia cards...
[09:32] <daba_sck> who has a good screenshot of a non-gnome wm?
[09:32] <cyber23> k, thanks
[09:32] <cyber23> thats the answer I get ever where I go
[09:32] <cyber23> use 6800 gt or ultra
[09:32] <daba_sck> cyber23: did you read the wiki, and tried to set that up?
[09:32] <tiglionabbit> that's a great article
[09:33] <cyber23> oh yes
[09:33] <cyber23> I can't get direct rendering working
[09:33] <cyber23> I am getting a hall error
[09:34] <QMario> I installed mplayer, but for some reason, I do not hear sound.
[09:34] <daba_sck> do you guys ever notice the commercial microsoft has on its sites, about how "switching to linux from windows can be prohibitively expensive"?
[09:34] <smoky_> qmario: try it with the option: -ao esd
[09:34] <dooglus> good evening all.  I'm wondering...  is there any way of seeing a description of what is the difference between 2 versions of a package?  like the update I am being asked to install for gdb, for example...
[09:34] <delire> daba_sck: of course that add is on it's site.
[09:35] <daba_sck> delire: I love that add, it is so cool:)
[09:35] <dooglus> I have gdb 6.3-5ubuntu1 and now it is offering me gdb 6.3-5ubuntu-1.1.  what changed?
[09:35] <smoky_> if this work, change /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[09:35] <medkit_> I need to remove the linked modules "hpt366 ide_disk" and  "hpt34x generic" from my 2.6.10-5-k7 Kernel in order to compile in "hpt37x2" support. I have gcc, Kernel headers and sources. Someone to point me in the right direction?
[09:35] <thoreauputic> "using windows can be prohibitively insecure"
[09:35] <daba_sck> hehe
[09:35] <delire> daba_sck: _very_ informative. alot of good information in there. microsoft offer a really, shall we say, neutral opinion on the matter.
[09:35] <daba_sck> Im going to another wm, but, yeah, lol...
[09:35] <terasurfer> dooglus: click System>Administration>Ubuntu Update Manager
[09:36] <dooglus> terasurfer: I did, but it doesn't tell me what has changed.
[09:37] <dbernar1> weird all these different wms...
[09:37] <terasurfer> dooglus: If you expand the Details section, it should give you the latest excerpt from the changelog
[09:37] <dbernar1> you guys ever tried out 9wm, that one is teh most fascinating so far to me...
[09:37] <dooglus> terasurfer: I've already applied the updates now, so I don't see anything in the update manager any more.  Can I see the changelog in synaptic somehow instead now?
[09:38] <delire> can't beat wmi.modprobe.de
[09:39] <QMario> I still do not hear any sound.
[09:39] <terasurfer> dooglus: not sure if that's possible once you've already applied the update
[09:40] <thesaltydog> got a problem with Sempron temperature and fan... any help?
[09:40] <terasurfer> dooglus: for a small version diff like that, it was probably very minor changes...doubtfully any features if that's what you're searching for
[09:40] <terasurfer> thesaltydog: What exactly is the problem?
[09:41] <thesaltydog> since a couple of weeks ago, the fan is running almost always at high speed (big noise in the night)
[09:41] <thesaltydog> terasurfer, temperature is cycling between 45 and 50 degrees C.
[09:41] <terasurfer> thesaltydog: Is CPU usage high?
[09:41] <thesaltydog> terasurfer, no. almost idel
[09:41] <thesaltydog> idle
[09:41] <St0n3-C0l> must be
[09:41] <St0n3-C0l> hmnm..
[09:41] <dooglus> terasurfer: I'm guessing it was a security fix, but I'd like to see what exploit was fixed.  for example, I don't know whether the firefox I'm running has the 1.0.4 fixes backported, or just the 1.0.3 fixes.  can't I find out somehow?
[09:41] <St0n3-C0l> strange
[09:42] <St0n3-C0l> hey..anyone using backports here ??
[09:42] <terasurfer> dooglus: probably can, i don't know how though
[09:42] <thesaltydog> terasurfer, I can't get installed powernowd. It says Sempron has no frequency scaling capability
[09:42] <medkit_> dooglus, ubuntu 1.0.2 has 1.0. fixes backported
[09:42] <terasurfer> thesaltydog: I'm guessing this is a laptop?
[09:42] <dooglus> medkit_: you missed a digit there?
[09:42] <thesaltydog> terasurfer, sorry. no, it is a server.
[09:42] <medkit_> dooglus, yes, 1.0.4
[09:43] <dooglus> medkit_: how can you tell?
[09:43] <jp> how is called the gnome applet that changes the resolution?
[09:43] <medkit_> dooglus, somewhere in the bugtracker, with high number, over 10000
[09:43] <terasurfer> thesaltydog: What kernel?
[09:43] <jp> how is called the gnome applet that changes the screen resolution?
[09:43] <thesaltydog> 2.6.10-k7 Hoary
[09:43] <tiggggr> i never understood the idea of backporting security fixes to old version. it would be less confusing to just update to newest version number IMO
[09:44] <mg78> hi! anyone using ubuntu hoary with a graphic card ATI 9700?
[09:44] <novaflare> hmm
[09:44] <novaflare> is this normal
[09:44] <novaflare> nova@ubuntu:~$ dmesg | grep 'AGP aperture'
[09:44] <novaflare> agpgart: AGP aperture is 128M @ 0xd0000000
[09:44] <novaflare> agpgart: AGP aperture is 128M @ 0xd0000000
[09:44] <dooglus> medkit_: is it possible to view the 'changelog' for a package?
[09:44] <novaflare> it lists the same out put twice
[09:44] <terasurfer> thesaltydog: I'm sort of confused...do you want the CPU freq to scale? Or are you just expecting lower temps?
[09:44] <novaflare> from one command
[09:44] <thesaltydog> terasurfer, 2.6.10-k7
[09:44] <Shuddertrix> novaflare: that's normal
[09:44] <novaflare> k
[09:45] <thesaltydog> terasurfer, I am expecting fan running lower speed, as it was used to do before last linux-image update... I can't sleep in the night!!
[09:45] <jp> how is called the gnome applet that changes the screen resolution?
[09:45] <Shuddertrix> On some boots it happens twice for me, on some boots it happens once. strange, but it doesn't hurt anything.
[09:45] <Shuddertrix> I get the same output but one time on this kernel
[09:46] <Shuddertrix> (agp aperture is also 128mb)
[09:46] <novaflare> yeh
[09:46] <andax> how to get ftpfs for ubuntu? i tried the source from ftpfs.sf.net but compile fails with some weird error, isn't there a package for it?
[09:46] <novaflare> im trying to get higher performance under cedega
[09:46] <novaflare> so trying to track down any possible inconsitancies
[09:46] <jeff25> novaflare: what vid card you got
[09:46] <novaflare> hopeing to find some error
[09:47] <novaflare> ati 9k pro agp
[09:47] <novaflare> 128 meg
[09:47] <terasurfer> thesaltydog: Ahh so it was after a kernel upgrade...you should file a bug report and use the previous kernel for the time being (assuming none of the new changes are mission critical to you)
[09:47] <thesaltydog> terasurfer, I have checked: fan is starting at 45 degrees and stopping at 50. Always cycling. Sempron has a max temp of 90 degrees..
[09:47] <medkit_> dooglus, usually /usr/share/doc and then there are a lot of changelogs
[09:47] <jeff25> novaflare: have you got get cedega to work ?
[09:47] <novaflare> yeh
[09:47] <novaflare> a cvs build
[09:47] <novaflare> works great
[09:47] <novaflare> heh i can even run mirc lol
[09:48] <jeff25> novaflare: can you run HL2
[09:48] <novaflare> not tried
[09:48] <novaflare> im not in to first person shooters
[09:48] <Shuddertrix> novaflare: cedega is a touch slower with some games and a touch faster with some.
[09:48] <dooglus> medkit_: thanks.  /usr/share/doc/gdb/changelog.Debian.gz is what I was looking for.
[09:48] <novaflare> if you got a download for a demo or somethign i can give it a shot
[09:48] <thesaltydog> terasurfer, ok. thanks.
[09:48] <novaflare> well rubies of eventide is heavy on d3d
[09:48] <novaflare> that explains some
[09:49] <novaflare> but damn i mean its just this side of being slower on ubuntu than on windows
[09:49] <novaflare> im talking maybe 5 fps
[09:49] <novaflare> wich is just under being completly playable
[09:49] <novaflare> i just keep thinking damn theres got to be some way to get another 5 or 6 fps in this heh
[09:50] <novaflare> hmm
[09:50] <andax> overclocking :)
[09:50] <novaflare> i should grab me a d3d bench mark
[09:50] <novaflare> no
[09:50] <novaflare> thats ine thing i never do
[09:50] <novaflare> not on my primary computer
[09:50] <Shuddertrix> novaflare, does that game have a demo or something?
[09:50] <novaflare> secound comp
[09:50] <novaflare> ill risk
[09:50] <novaflare> rubies
[09:50] <novaflare> free dl free to play
[09:50] <andax> novaflare, try without sound :)
[09:50] <novaflare> runs on donations man
[09:50] <Epix> wheres the changelog for breezy?
[09:50] <novaflare> might help accualy
[09:51] <novaflare> and i forgot to try lol
[09:51] <Shuddertrix> ah, i love those kinds of games, link me and i'll try it
[09:51] <novaflare> esp sence im useing onboard sound ...
[09:51] <novaflare> http://www.eventide.net its a mmorpg
[09:51] <novaflare> now one thing do not cuss in game or in irc heh
[09:51] <Shuddertrix> novaflare: I figured it was an mmorpg ;)
[09:51] <novaflare> strong language rules on phoenix peggy and fireopals
[09:52] <novaflare> now on halberd any thing goes as its the pvp server
[09:52] <novaflare> fire opals is role play
[09:52] <novaflare> peggy and phoenix general play
[09:52] <novaflare> brb trying with no sound
[09:55] <novaflare> hmm that helped some
[09:55] <jp> how is called the gnome applet that changes the screen resolution?
[09:55] <novaflare> still not there yet but almost
[09:57] <sbcl3> does anyone know the name of Lynx's rendering engine (if it has a name)?
[09:57] <Cutman> Hi, I am new to Ubuntu and I have a question: Ubuntu can't find my DVD drive, because it's an PATA drive and not an IDE or SCSI drive. What should I do?
[09:57] <[Phaedrus] > sbcl3: google "lynx rendering engine"
[09:58] <jwwwb> cutman: explain "cannot find"
[09:58] <Epix> can you instal unreal tourninment on linux? i saw something about it somewhere...
[09:58] <andrewski> how does one change the default action for filetypes in nautilus 2.10?  the user's guide talked about a "modify" dialog that i can't reproduce.
[09:58] <jwwwb> epix: sure i played UT under linux for years
[09:58] <[Phaedrus] > Epix: if you have the linux version, yes it can be attempted
[09:58] <Epix> jwwwb: can you still buy it?
[09:58] <fresh27> I'm installing Ubuntu for the first time and I ran into the "No installable kernel found" error. I can't find a way to fix this :(
[09:58] <fishie> why is gimp such a pain in the ass?
[09:59] <jwwwb> epix: sure, check bargain bins or amazon.com
[09:59] <[Phaedrus] > fresh27: what processor do you have and what install cd are you using?
[09:59] <Daehlie> since it is a gimp?
[09:59] <[Phaedrus] > fishie: cause, its the way gimp is :)
[09:59] <fresh27> P4, using the x86 CD from ShipIt
[09:59] <Cutman> During the installation process, I get a message that I't cant find my CD Drive, because its not connected to an IDE or an SCSI drive
[09:59] <fishie> i made a text layer. how do i move it?
[09:59] <sbcl3> can i transition to kubuntu without a whole os install all over again?
[09:59] <fishie> i feel like an idiot
[09:59] <[Phaedrus] > fresh27: can you boot using the livecd of the same package?
[09:59] <St0n3-C0l> sbcl3: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:00] <jwwwb> cutman: you may need to load a module.  do you know what kind of controller your cdrom is attached with?
[10:00] <fresh27> the livecd works fine
[10:00] <skoop> it seems a lot of people with nvidia are having segfault problems with a.o. xmms ... solution seems to be to install an earlier version of the nvidia drivers (?) ... anyway, is it possible to do that with apt-get?
[10:00] <Cutman> PATA
[10:00] <[Phaedrus] > sbcl3: install kubuntu-desktop from synaptic
[10:00] <sbcl3> st0n3-C0l: when i restart will KDE come up? if so, how do i go back to GNOME?
[10:00] <jwwwb> cutman: sure, but what kind?  like intel, via, nvidia
[10:00] <Cutman> Intel
[10:00] <[Phaedrus] > fresh27: when are you getting that error?
[10:00] <yaliCapkini> selam aranzda trk var m
[10:01] <St0n3-C0l> sbcl3: Display Manager will let u select
[10:01] <Cutman> Or, its an Dell PC
[10:01] <St0n3-C0l> KDE or GNOME :)
[10:01] <jwwwb> cutman: use alt-f2 to get a console, then "modprobe piix" and "modprobe ide-generic"
[10:01] <jwwwb> see if that works
[10:01] <Cutman> Ok
[10:01] <fresh27> In the "Install the base system" phase, about 68% of the way through.
[10:01] <Cutman> I'll try it out
[10:02] <Cutman> I'll come back tomorrow to tell you if it worked
[10:02] <jwwwb> fishie: you have to click on the actual colored pixels of the text layer to move it, or select it explicitly in the layers dialog
[10:02] <Cutman> Thanks for the help
[10:02] <fresh27> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=191723#post191723 <-- here's a forum post with more detail about my problem
[10:02] <jwwwb> good luck
[10:02] <novaflare> hmm i wonder what default is for fsaa with atis drivers on linux
[10:02] <fishie> yea i figured it out
[10:02] <jwwwb> so has anyone else noticed that linux-source-2.6.12 ftbfs?
[10:02] <fishie> thanks
[10:03] <jwwwb> on i686 even
[10:03] <skoop> talking about nvidia drivers, why is it that glx won't work with hoary?
[10:03] <[Phaedrus] > fresh27: it must be something to do with a hardware problem... i cant think of it being anything else.. did you check the forums?
[10:03] <fresh27> Yeah, other people had the same problem, but nobody ever found a solution.
[10:04] <fishie> i hope someone makes a perfection icon theme for thunderbird :D
[10:05] <QMario> Has anyone successfully watched a DVD, or a movie in Ubuntu? Is so, which program did you use?
[10:05] <jwwwb> vlc
[10:05] <jwwwb> mplayer also works
[10:05] <skoop> xine
[10:06] <Fator_Dee> ogle
[10:06] <jwwwb> all of the above :)
[10:06] <skoop> hehe
[10:06] <Fator_Dee> and others :-D
[10:06] <skoop> anyway, anyone know anything about glx/nvidia issues in hoary?
[10:06] <Fator_Dee> what kind of issues
[10:06] <skoop> glx not working ;)
[10:06] <[Phaedrus] > sorry fresh27... i am clueless
[10:06] <jwwwb> i have some trouble with DVDs because ubuntu ships the kernel with DMA for ATA optical drives disabled
[10:07] <Fator_Dee> jwwwb: well, enable it :-|
[10:07] <[Phaedrus] > QMario: you could use mplayer or Xine
[10:07] <skoop> and it seems xmms is crashing because of nvidia issues as well :)
[10:07] <skoop> I've enabled glx obviously
[10:07] <jwwwb> fator_dee: would love to, but the kernel package doesn't build
[10:07] <Fator_Dee> jwwwb: just edit the /etc/hdparm.conf file
[10:07] <QMario> For some reason I do not hear audio with mplayer. How do I hear some sound?
[10:07] <Fator_Dee> jwwwb: ?
[10:07] <jwwwb> uh no, it's disabled in the kernel
[10:07] <Fator_Dee> oh
[10:07] <[Phaedrus] > QMario: that's probably cause the audio codecs are not installed :)
[10:08] <Fator_Dee> jwwwb: how's that possible? I mean, I've never encountered something like that
[10:08] <jwwwb> CONFIG_IDEDMA_ONLYDISK=y
[10:08] <[Phaedrus] > QMario: its cause MP3 is technically a protected format... there is a section in the forums about "restricted formats"
[10:08] <jwwwb> # hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[10:08] <jwwwb>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[10:08] <jwwwb>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[10:08] <jwwwb>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[10:08] <QMario> Phaedrus, how do I download the audio codecs?
[10:08] <Fator_Dee> jwwwb: sudo?
[10:08] <jwwwb> that's as root
[10:08] <QMario> Where do I download them?
[10:08] <Fator_Dee> oh
[10:09] <thenuke> QMario: www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:09] <Seveas> jwwwb, load your motherboards drivers instead of ide_generic
[10:09] <jwwwb> seveas: what would that be exactly?  i have nforce3-250 chipset
[10:10] <jwwwb> i already loaded sata_nv, but the DVD isn't SATA, it's PATA
[10:10] <pixelmonkey> having nasty issues getting bootsplash to work again with Ubuntu... does anyone know a site with the proper debs to use to get bootsplash working under ubuntu?
[10:10] <christos> has anyone installed jedit? i add a repository but apat-get wants me to install kaffe-common java-common and others which i don't need cuase i got sun's java
[10:10] <Seveas> jwwwb, no idea, google is your friend :)
[10:10] <jwwwb> alas, google is clueless in this case
[10:11] <jwwwb> if i use ide-scsi i get DMA
[10:11] <biovore> oO
[10:11] <Fator_Dee> jwwwb: why not use that then if it works?
[10:11] <Fator_Dee> or is there a catch
[10:11] <Seveas> ide-scsi is deprecated
[10:11] <Seveas> that's the catch :)
[10:12] <jwwwb> +seveas, and sometimes ide-scsi panics
[10:12] <Fator_Dee> thought of something like that :-p
[10:12] <Seveas> hmm, panics are bad :)
[10:12] <Fator_Dee> depends on who/what is panicing
[10:12] <Kpjas> Hi Where's TFM ? I like to know things and why something works or doesn't work. And I don't want to bother you Ub gurus too much :)
[10:12] <jwwwb> however, on the very positive side, ACPI S3 sleep (suspend-to-ram) is working :)
[10:12] <Fator_Dee> if the kernel freak out, I freak out too
[10:12] <Fator_Dee> *freaks
[10:13] <Seveas> Kpjas, tldp.org / wiki.ubuntu.com contain a lot of TFM
[10:13] <Fator_Dee> Kpjas: but where are here to be bothered? but I don't consider myself as a guru though :-p
[10:13] <Fator_Dee> *we are here
[10:13] <Fator_Dee> damn, serious typos :-\
[10:14] <Seveas> yeah,,,
[10:14] <Fator_Dee> maybe I should think about what I'm writing
[10:14] <Kpjas> Fator_Dee: Ok you all have helped me a lot already thnx
[10:14] <jwwwb> brb
[10:14] <fresh27> [Phaedrus] : I think I solved my problem after about 2 hours, in case you care. I decided not to mount my shared drive this time, and it seems things worked.
[10:14] <tarvid> anything special about bringing up a com port on ubuntu?
[10:14] <Kpjas> Fator_Dee: I don't want to ask too obvious questions
[10:15] <Fator_Dee> Kpjas: it's nice to answer a question that you know about :-)
[10:15] <tarvid> on my T20, the com port doesn't light up anything on my signal monitor
[10:16] <geetergod> can anyone help me install limewire? im having troubles
[10:16] <Kpjas> Fator_Dee: OK I need a package that's not available through synaptic and a deb from the net has multiple dependecies. What's the way to go ?
[10:17] <Kpjas> Fator_Dee: normally I'd grab a src rpm
[10:17] <tsw> any idea why mplayer-mozilla plugin wont give any sound.. video works just fine?
[10:17] <andrewski> Kpjas: you can make a local repository for debs, if you can find it from debian.
[10:17] <Fator_Dee> Kpjas: well, if you can install the dependencies from apt-get it's ok
[10:18] <Kpjas> Fator_Dee: and dependencies need more dependecies etvc
[10:18] <Fator_Dee> Kpjas: I was going to point that out :-p
[10:18] <Fator_Dee> so it might be nigh impossiple to get it installed :-\
[10:18] <Kpjas> Fator_Dee: can I compile from src deb Is there such thing ?
[10:19] <Fator_Dee> what are you trying to install exactly?
[10:19] <Kpjas> a plugin for xmms
[10:19] <Seveas> tsw, let mplayer use esd
[10:20] <tsw> Seveas: cant find any configuration for the plugin.. mplayer itself works just fine
[10:20] <sysrq> maybe that stream has no sound
[10:20] <Fator_Dee> Kpjas: and you can make a .deb from sources if that's what you meant
[10:20] <Seveas> tsw, in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf, find a line that starts with ao=, set it to ao=esd. Should work for mplayer and the plugin
[10:20] <tsw> tested with lots of streams
[10:20] <tsw> Seveas: thanks Ill check
[10:20] <Seveas> tsw, you can check /etc/mplayer-plugin/conf too
[10:21] <jrobcet> tsw, have you copied all the windows codecs to /usr/lib/win32?
[10:21] <Kpjas> Fator_Dee: with rpms you have src rpm that u can rebuild and bypass dependencies
[10:22] <Kpjas> more or less
[10:22] <tsw> Seveas: thanks that sound option helped, it was alsa by default..
[10:23] <jp> it's cool :)
[10:23] <geetergod> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-ext ras/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_ubp_dists _hoary-extras_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directo ry)
[10:23] <geetergod> thats what it says when i try to install limewire
[10:23] <iceman> humm, anyone know if there are a complete set of cd's available for ubuntu for downlaod ...
[10:23] <geetergod> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[10:23] <geetergod> E: Couldn't find package limewire
[10:23] <Fator_Dee> iceman: there's a dvd, but there's no "complete set"
[10:24] <iceman> Factor_dee darn ... lack a DVD burner ...
[10:25] <geetergod> hey teebones
[10:25] <teebones> hello
[10:25] <teebones> ;)
[10:25] <geetergod> can u help me with something or are u busy?
[10:25] <geetergod> if ur busy its ok
[10:25] <teebones> depends
[10:26] <geetergod> just trying to install limewire
[10:26] <jrobcet> geetergod: there are step by step instructions for installing LimeWire here: http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[10:26] <geetergod> ok kool
[10:26] <geetergod> thanks
[10:26] <jaysin> is there a command like net send i can use to send messages to a windows machine?
[10:27] <teebones> *giggles* ehm..
[10:27] <tiglionabbit> jaysin: exactly what sort of messages do you want to send?
[10:27] <teebones> i don't know .. never had such situations like you want jaysin
[10:28] <teebones> maybe talk
[10:28] <teebones> will do?
[10:28] <jaysin> i want to send the little pop-up messages to my brother
[10:28] <Seveas> neh, talk and net send do not interoperate :)
[10:28] <teebones> ok.. like i said.. dunno ;-)
[10:29] <[Phaedrus] > jaysin: i did a little search and i found this "Samba: use 'smbclient -M {NetBIOS name}' to send messages."
[10:29] <enkidu> ok so i got sound working, installed some stuff for dvd and now my sound wont work anymore, any thoughts?
[10:30] <teebones> [Phaedrus] , asuming he uses samba
[10:30] <teebones> ;-)
[10:30] <[Phaedrus] > well, it says he can use it to send msgs to winpopup
[10:31] <[Phaedrus] > i have no idea... never been in that situation... there is only one way to find out if it works
[10:31] <teebones> same here
[10:31] <jaysin> thanks guys :) I think it worked
[10:32] <[Phaedrus] > :)
[10:32] <teebones> The network here.. is well. *you guessed right* non-commercial OS based
[10:32] <[Spooky] > i need help guidelines to make a new partition ?
[10:32] <cyber23> I just did a driver install for a ati x800 and when I do a fglrxinfo it says that I have mesa drivers installed.... can someone help please
[10:32] <[Phaedrus] > there you go... its one happy man... enjoy jaysin
[10:32] <teebones> [Spooky] , shoot!
[10:33] <[Phaedrus] > was that message for me teebones?
[10:33] <teebones> [Spooky] , -> man fdisk
[10:33] <Shuddertrix> someone say winpopup? linpopup is the same thing but for linux.
[10:33] <teebones> [Phaedrus] , yes :-)
[10:33] <[Spooky] > teebones: just wanna know the apps name to make a new hdd partition i cant remeber them...
[10:33] <gijosh> Hey.  How should I go about installing Grub without reinstalling Ubuntu?
[10:34] <teebones> [Spooky] , FDISK
[10:34] <teebones> :-)
[10:34] <[Phaedrus] > so, it works right? who would have guessed that samba had such possibilities
[10:34] <[Spooky] > teebones: ok, i remeber some other name ... ext3fs something ?
[10:34] <teebones> i didn't
[10:34] <cyber23> can someone help me out with getting the right drivers installed
[10:35] <cyber23> they are ati and it is saying when I use the fglrxinfo I have mesa
[10:35] <[Phaedrus] > cyber23: does your ubuntu boot into GUI mode?
[10:35] <cyber23> yup
[10:35] <biovore> ati + linux = crap
[10:35] <teebones> sure.. but that's after the creation of the partition
[10:35] <g14> yes, but thats ati's fault
[10:35] <[Phaedrus] > well, probably its the right drivers then... why fiddle with it when it works?
[10:35] <cyber23> I want to play games on it
[10:36] <JohnnyFav> Is anybody here running sympatico with ubuntu?
[10:36] <biovore> game + linux + ati = not happin
[10:36] <teebones> [Spooky] , 1) create partition with fdisk, 2) set the filesystem for the partition (e.g. ext3)
[10:36] <St0n3-C0l> sympatico ?
[10:36] <we2by> cyber23, run glxinfo
[10:36] <JohnnyFav> sympatico dsl internet
[10:36] <cyber23> ok
[10:36] <we2by> biovore, I am playing game with ati radeon
[10:36] <[Phaedrus] > JohnnyFav: you have a better chance asking for DSL...
[10:36] <we2by> :P
[10:36] <robert_> why does my ubuntu have no sounds?
[10:36] <Shuddertrix> biovore: it will work, it's just a little harder to configure and takes longer then the average nvidia install :P
[10:36] <teebones> step 2 can be done with e.g.  mke2fs -j /dev/hd-device
[10:36] <biovore> yeah but it runs slow
[10:37] <JohnnyFav> I read a lot of info and everything and I'm stuck on the dsl setup with ubuntu
[10:37] <gijosh> How do you install Grub by itself?
[10:37] <teebones> (for ext3)
[10:37] <Shuddertrix> yes, speed is an issue also
[10:37] <we2by> biovore, slow?
[10:37] <cyber23> what an I looking for
[10:37] <we2by> not here
[10:37] <biovore> I don't even think UT2k4 will even work on an ATI card
[10:37] <Amaranth> ...
[10:37] <Amaranth> biovore: ever heard of OpenGL?
[10:37] <teebones> ATI sucks
[10:37] <biovore> yes.. but the ATI driver dosn't support all of the extentions
[10:37] <we2by> biovore, I think it works great on mine
[10:38] <Shuddertrix> biovore: it does, perfectlky
[10:38] <teebones> they can't properly write a good working *nix driver
[10:38] <we2by> I haven't test it yet
[10:38] <Amaranth> Actually if you aren't a hardcore gamer the best video card for linux would be the Radeon 9200
[10:38] <we2by> I played et and etf very nicely
[10:38] <we2by> :)
[10:38] <^thehatsrule^> no, ut2k4 will work on ati cards
[10:38] <cyber23> I had games running
[10:38] <biovore> the ATI cards are fine, problems are with the driver support
[10:38] <Shuddertrix> my wife's 8500 is about the same speed as her old geforce 3 with ut2k4.
[10:38] <Amaranth> because the Radeon 9200 is the last Radeon that has an open source driver
[10:38] <cyber23> but now I can't get any 3d
[10:39] <cyber23> we2by can you help
[10:39] <teebones> biovore, that's what i just said
[10:39] <Fator_Dee> cyber23: what does glxinfo say about direct rendering?
[10:39] <cyber23> ni
[10:39] <cyber23> no
[10:39] <we2by> cyber23, did you install the driver?
[10:39] <JohnnyFav> would the fact that my passwords are shadowed affect my username login through chap.secrets?
[10:39] <JohnnyFav> for dsl
[10:39] <Fator_Dee> cyber23: did you edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to point to the fgrlx drivers?
[10:39] <cyber23> the ones from ati
[10:39] <sysrq> JohnnyFav: no
[10:39] <teebones> JohnnyFav, yes
[10:39] <cyber23> how do I do that
[10:39] <[Phaedrus] > no JohnnyFav
[10:40] <JohnnyFav> no
[10:40] <JohnnyFav> ok
[10:40] <teebones> Oh.. ok.. now i follow your question JohnnyFav
[10:40] <Fator_Dee> cyber23: I'll find you a howto on the net
[10:40] <cyber23> thanks dude
[10:40] <teebones> sry
[10:40] <raDeon> Amaranth, what can i do for you
[10:40] <Amaranth> raDeon: ?
[10:40] <raDeon> you called?
[10:40] <Amaranth> raDeon: Nothing, I was talking about the video card. :)
[10:41] <Nvidia> hehe
[10:41] <[Phaedrus] > well, its been a while since i used a DSL connection... so let me refresh a bit
[10:41] <ogi_> http://www.sithsense.com/flash.htm does this work for anybody with firefox
[10:41] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[10:41] <St0n3-C0l> ATI Radeon :P
[10:41] <novaflare> ack has to be some tweak that will get me just 5 or 6 more fps in rubies damn it
[10:41] <St0n3-C0l> i think
[10:41] <St0n3-C0l> :>
[10:41] <JohnnyFav> my netstat shows that my ethernet is connected to my hub......and when I start my pppoe connection it says Warning eth0 is still in broadcast mode
[10:41] <teebones> ogi_, problems here with the mentioned site
[10:42] <[Phaedrus] > ah, so you have pppoe installed
[10:42] <ogi_> teebones, i big box in front of it all?
[10:42] <JohnnyFav> yes
[10:42] <cyber23> can someone send me the drivers for a ati x800
[10:42] <teebones> ogi_, yeah.. lightgrey
[10:42] <raDeon> your mother's name is ubuntu
[10:42] <teebones> raDeon, thanks!
[10:43] <teebones> :-)
[10:43] <ogi_> hmph
[10:43] <Shuddertrix> novaflare: you can't install drivers in cedega.
[10:43] <axs> \q
[10:43] <novaflare> i know heh
[10:43] <Fator_Dee> cyber23: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:43] <tsume> oh god damn this is funny on /.
[10:43] <ogi_> wonder what I should do about the site..
[10:44] <tsume> this idiot says C#/mono is faster than C++
[10:44] <teebones> compain
[10:44] <teebones> +l
[10:44] <teebones> tsume, lol
[10:44] <g14> tsume: You mean it's not </troll>
[10:44] <tsume> lusi 9410 0.1 0.3 4924 1800 pts/3 Sl+ 16:22 0:00 ./testapp
[10:44] <tsume> clusi 9393 0.8 0.7 14940 3868 pts/3 Sl+ 16:37 0:00 /usr/bin/cli ./test.exe
[10:44] <biovore> tsume: some realy said that.. lol
[10:44] <tsume> mono  even eats more memory
[10:44] <IIIEars> How do i probe my pci bus for devices & names?
[10:44] <hondje> lspci -vvv
[10:44] <teebones> lspci
[10:44] <tsume> I've a friend who designed a OpenGL game in pure C# code. He says it is slow as hell for mathematical computation
[10:44] <biovore> C#/mono are horibble
[10:45] <robert_> In a terminal, after i type man followed by a command and then i push "q", why does it say "Reformatting [command] " ???
[10:45] <ogi_> what alternative browser should I install..
[10:45] <raDeon> tsume, stop right there we know you're lying
[10:45] <IIIEars> Thank You (hug)
[10:45] <raDeon> "i have a friend" yeah right.
[10:45] <g14> C# is designed to kill java, not run fast
[10:45] <tsume> he made this great looking battle vehicle game, too bad he won't finish it :)
[10:45] <tsume> g14: I know that, but do the idiots know that?
[10:45] <delire> tsume: C# is easy to write but not all that fast.
[10:45] <wdh> robert_, i guess because it is converting the manpage from a zipped format
[10:45] <Shuddertrix> tsume: if it was C#, i wouldn't even write it.
[10:45] <robert_> so its not a bad thing?
[10:45] <delire> tsume: you'd better better of with *.pyc
[10:45] <St0n3-C0l> Shuddertrix: Slackware 10.1 manual kernel compiling sucks :P
[10:45] <wdh> robert_, not at all
[10:46] <robert_> ok, good :-)
[10:46] <geetergod> Can i have that link again for the instructions on how to install limewire?
[10:46] <tsume> delire: it depends on programming level. Us advanced programmers can write apps in C as fast as dingbat C# programmers ;)
[10:46] <Amaranth> Would you believe me if I told you a GTK# (C#) application uses less RAM than a PyGTK (Python) application?
[10:46] <wdh> geetergod, try ubuntuguide.org or the wiki
[10:46] <Shuddertrix> St0n3-C0l: I was able to compile a kernel successfully with it on a different box.. how could that suck? :D
[10:46] <tsume> delire: python is actually decent at math computation
[10:46] <wdh> geetergod, at least the latter has a pretty decent searchfunction
[10:46] <tsume> delire: its kinda ligher, but perl beats it. Perl has unmaintainable syntax however :/
[10:46] <St0n3-C0l> Shuddertrix: me too on 10.0 but on 10.1 i dun know why it gives kernel panic :P
[10:46] <teebones> geetergod, http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[10:46] <delire> tsume: it's also alot more fun. especially with python numeric
[10:46] <Amaranth> tsume: only with numpy
[10:46] <g14> Easier to write code is more maintainable and generally has less bugs
[10:47] <g14> Thats why python was written
[10:47] <geetergod> thanks
[10:47] <tsume> g14: yep
[10:47] <teebones> geetergod, make a bookmark for it
[10:47] <delire> tsume: my experience of perl is not knowing how the hell i wrote what i wrote a week ago.
[10:47] <teebones> :-)
[10:47] <Amaranth> no, python was written as a next generation language to go with the amoeba system, the successor to minix
[10:47] <tsume> g14: its easy to write C/C++ apps and debug as well, but it takes a exp. debugger ;)
[10:47] <Shuddertrix> St0n3-C0l: Well, i've seen people with those problems, which is why i'm going to try vmware before I compile my own kernel on my working slackware 10.1 on this box.
[10:47] <tsume> delire: I feel like that when pulling a 48 hour day
[10:47] <teebones> ehm.. peeps.. go to #wichlanguageisbetter :-)
[10:47] <[Spooky] > dam i dont understand fdisk :/ is there any other app ?
[10:47] <Shuddertrix> Back to ubuntu talk however. Ubuntu is godly.
[10:47] <St0n3-C0l> nice ;)
[10:48] <St0n3-C0l> or u can also try ArchLinux
[10:48] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[10:48] <Amaranth> swinging it back to languages, smeg is written in python ;)
[10:48] <tsume> I believe I'll port beagle to C++
[10:48] <teebones> [Spooky] , fdisk is not difficult at all
[10:48] <Shuddertrix> St0n3-C0l: ArchLinux sucks, i hated it when I used it.. ubuntu and slackware are much more well-rounded.
[10:48] <tsume> using wxwidgets ;) :)
[10:48] <St0n3-C0l> ehe
[10:48] <tsume> Shuddertrix: didn't you love that idiot who maintains it? ;)
[10:48] <Amaranth> tsume: I think someone did the hard work for you. Pretty sure there is a C++ version of lucene
[10:48] <tsume> Shuddertrix: and "pacman"
[10:49] <tsume> Amaranth: oh really? :)
[10:49] <teebones> [Spooky] , pressing m key will reveil the menu of choices
[10:49] <[Spooky] > teebones: hehe i dont get it... i need to blank my /dev/hdb and make a new like /disk2 ext2 there
[10:49] <schleyfox> How can I override APT/Synaptic's "Broken Package" thing.  I force installed e17 and it works just fine, but I can't install my other programs without the dirn thing trying to uninstall my enlightenment goodness, how do I make the thing shutup and let me do what I want?
[10:49] <Shuddertrix> tsume: Oh, that guy was my god! # end sarcasm
[10:49] <tsume> Shuddertrix: I looked at the patches the guy placed in the builts for g++ when it first came out. he patched the exit code from programs which was perfectly fine in the first place
[10:50] <teebones> [Spooky] , what partion is on hdb now?
[10:50] <[Spooky] > none
[10:50] <teebones> ?
[10:50] <IIIEars> [spooky]  = fdisk is what i use but there are some graphical partition managers gedit and qtparted (better)
[10:50] <tsume> Shuddertrix: I think he was trying to experiment with linux and a program monitoring system, because changing the exit() function which he did made no aparent sense.
[10:50] <Shuddertrix> tsume: Yeah, that made no sense..
[10:50] <g14> I'm waiting for lucene to be able to be built without anything prop. Then I can have eclipse on ubuntu
[10:50] <geetergod> i bookmarked it teebone
[10:50] <geetergod> still cant get it to work
[10:50] <teebones> so it's not used before?
[10:50] <geetergod> i do everything step by step
[10:51] <tsume> g14: why would you want to use Eclipse(out of curiosity)?
[10:51] <geetergod> looks like i do everything right but its never there
[10:51] <Shuddertrix> And to this day, i still laugh about pacman.
[10:51] <IIIEars> [Spooky]  Give qtparted a try.
[10:51] <geetergod> i mean LimeWireSoftOther.zip is on my desktop i downloaded....
[10:51] <tsume> waka waka waka waka waka waka
[10:51] <g14> tsume: http://pydev.sourceforge.net/ autocomplete when I write python
[10:51] <tsume> *blee* blieep belipp
[10:52] <tsume> g14: autocomplete is overrated
[10:52] <g14> tsume: Plus some of the admins here at work build admin tools into the eclipse framework
[10:52] <geetergod> just cant seem to have it say i have limewire
[10:52] <Shuddertrix> whew-whew-whew-whew-whew-whew-whew waka waka waka waka waka
[10:52] <g14> tsume: If they would only gpl them
[10:52] <teebones> [Spooky] ,  sudo fdisk /dev/hdb
[10:52] <[Spooky] > IIIEars:  donthave it :/
[10:52] <cyber23> how do I load fglrx into my kernel
[10:52] <[Spooky] > teebones: tried that
[10:52] <g14> tsume: Think Microsoft Management Console for Samba and LDAP
[10:53] <teebones> [Spooky] , press p
[10:53] <teebones> (print partitions)
[10:53] <IIIEars> [Spooky]  Could you add it using synaptic?
[10:53] <[Spooky] > ok done
[10:53] <g14> Not trying to start a flamewar, eclipse is the best and most extensible ide
[10:53] <jrobcet> geetergod: what do you mean it's never there.....in the applications menu?
[10:53] <g14> even if you don't code java
[10:53] <Fator_Dee> cyber23: the link I gave you gives all information that is needed
[10:53] <Shuddertrix> darn, thinking about archlinux's pacman wants me to play it now.
[10:53] <teebones> if there is none... press n
[10:53] <geetergod> yes
[10:53] <hondje> Unless you use vim :p
[10:54] <g14> I said IDE, not code editor :)
[10:54] <jrobcet> try this: sudo killall gnome-panel
[10:54] <tsume> g14: SWT is slow and doesn't use the native toolkits on platforms though
[10:54] <geetergod> when i type in limewire in the terminal it says command not found
[10:54] <Jet2k5> Hey guys, anyone here have any experience with Bastille-Linux?
[10:54] <hondje> I like qt designer
[10:54] <teebones> it asked for wich primary of extended
[10:54] <Bicchi> i am trying to use my ipod with  ubuntu but ubuntu does not detect it when i plug it in. it does when i reboot the computer. i am using the firewire connection. what am i doing wrong?
[10:54] <[Spooky] > teebones: i got one...
[10:54] <IIIEars> hondje - No! No--oo anything but "vim"! - lol
[10:54] <jrobcet> nevermind...
[10:54] <hondje> I <3 vim
[10:54] <teebones> you got one?
[10:54] <g14> vim owns
[10:54] <teebones> what does it say?
[10:54] <tsume> you people need to test drive wxWidgets :)
[10:54] <[Spooky] > teebones: /dev/hdb1
[10:54] <g14> I uninstalled nano first chance I got on ubuntu
[10:54] <Jet2k5> Bicchi: did you fix your stuff in /etc/fstab
[10:54] <teebones> go on
[10:54] <teebones> :)
[10:55] <cyber23> what link Factor_dee
[10:55] <tsume> g14: how do I delete nano?
[10:55] <Bicchi> Jet2k5: yes
[10:55] <IIIEars> vim is nice enough if you are willing to learn it.
[10:55] <jrobcet> the necessary folder in is /opt
[10:55] <Jet2k5> arrgh
[10:55] <teebones> what system does it have?
[10:55] <sbcl3> is there a way to save the pages in multiple tabs all at once in mozilla firefox?
[10:55] <tsume> g14: just rm? or do I need a dummy package?
[10:55] <Fator_Dee> cyber23: yngh... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto <-- *that*
[10:55] <Bicchi> Jet2k5: the problem is with ubuntu detecting the hardware without me rebooting first.
[10:55] <Jet2k5> Bicchi: sorry then, I'm helping out with developing gtkpod, but I use it throught USB
[10:55] <jrobcet> that was a question..
[10:55] <g14> tsume: use apt, you have to remove ubuntu-desktop too
[10:55] <[Spooky] > teebones: system linux it says should i ust make a mount point then ?
[10:55] <Jet2k5> Bicchi: did you try mounting /etc/fstab?
[10:55] <cyber23> ya, that didn't help any.. thanks though
[10:55] <tsume> g14: ugh.
[10:55] <Bicchi> how is that done?
[10:56] <Bicchi> Jet2k5: how is that done?
[10:56] <sbcl3> Bicchi: "sudo gedit /etc/fstab"
[10:56] <teebones> well if your sure that it can be overwritten (like a new partion)
[10:56] <sbcl3> follow the other ones listed there
[10:56] <g14> tsume: nano drives me crazy. I put vim on all of my sun boxes too
[10:56] <Jet2k5> Bicchi: I'm not sure if you have to do it as root or not, but it's ' mount -a ' without the ' '
[10:56] <tsume> g14: ever thought about wxWidtgets for a toolkit? ;)
[10:56] <novaflare> what is this dri project exactly?
[10:56] <teebones> err partition i mean
[10:56] <teebones> it will suffice
[10:56] <sbcl3> follow the other ones listed there
[10:56] <tsume> g14: I don't use vim either, I use magnets :)
[10:56] <sbcl3> whoops
[10:56] <sbcl3> is there a way to save the pages in multiple tabs all at once in mozilla firefox?
[10:56] <threat> G'Day
[10:56] <Fator_Dee> cyber23: exactly how it didn't help you?
[10:56] <tsume> g14: I rearrange my own sectors with really small magnets
[10:57] <threat> sbcl3, of corse there is
[10:57] <Fator_Dee> cyber23: it tells you how to install and enable the ati drivers
[10:57] <Jet2k5> Bicchi: did it work?
[10:57] <cyber23> I am trying to get direct rendering working and there isn't anything on that site that can help
[10:57] <Bicchi> Jet2k5: no, i think the problem is with ubuntu detecting plug-and-play hardware
[10:57] <sbcl3> threat: how?
[10:57] <teebones> [Spooky] , but what i don't understand is how come that hdb is partitioned, but yet not in use?
[10:57] <Jet2k5> Bicchi: is there a way that you can connect with USB instead of firewire?
[10:58] <Bicchi> Jet2k5: no, i do not have cables.
[10:58] <teebones> (by fstab)
[10:58] <Fator_Dee> cyber23: direct rendering works after you do those things on the URL
[10:58] <Bicchi> Jet2k5: like i said, it works when i connect the ipod before i turn the computer on.
[10:58] <Jet2k5> Bicchi: hmm, I know that up to this date ubuntu has succesfully done the plug-and-play with stuff that I connect throught USB
[10:58] <ice_1963> how can i get clamav ????
[10:58] <Jet2k5> Bicchi: so, it only mounts your iPod when you reboot?
[10:58] <g14> tsume: Thats weak. I use punchcards and a holepunch
[10:58] <Taliesin`> (sbcl3): google search for "Firefox Tabbrowser Extensions" and it will take you direct to what you want
[10:59] <cyber23> I've tryed and nothing is helping
[10:59] <Taliesin`> (sbcl3): note, it does take some settings up thou to work to how you like it.
[10:59] <Bicchi> Jet2k5: so it has to do with auto detect. yes, only when i reboot
[10:59] <teebones> ice_1963, go fishing for clams.. hope they aren't infected ;-)
[10:59] <IIIEars> << - suddenly has lost opened app icons. (14 terminals open - this can't be good) - will reinstalling ubuntu desktop return icons to the gnome bar?
[10:59] <[Spooky] > teebones: well i cant add it in fstab either...
[10:59] <Jet2k5> Bicchi: you might want to post on the boards, I don't know much about it then.  Since it detects it for me everytime :)
[10:59] <Bicchi> Jet2k5: there should be a way to send it a wake up signal
[10:59] <Jet2k5> lol
[10:59] <bassplayer> how do i figure out mi ip adress ?
[11:00] <teebones> ifconfig
[11:00] <[Spooky] > teebones: how do i delete it and make a new one with a new mount point ?
[11:00] <Bicchi> Jet2k5: thanks
[11:00] <Jet2k5> Have you tried the gtkpod ubuntu wiki?
[11:00] <IIIEars> bass - ifconfig
[11:00] <Jet2k5> bah iPod wiki?
[11:00] <bassplayer> it give me a message that it's not a valid command!
[11:01] <Bicchi> Jet2k5: yes, thats how i found how to do it. actually i had to google a little to get it to work, since i have to mount it as vfat and the wiki does not say that
[11:01] <novaflare> any opinions on DRI ?
[11:01] <teebones> [Spooky] , for ext2 sudo mke2fs /dev/hdb1
[11:01] <tsume> perfect code :)
[11:01] <[Phaedrus] > haha
[11:01] <[Spooky] > teebones: and ext3 ?
[11:01] <teebones> [Spooky] , for ext3 sudo mke2fs -j /dev/hdb1
[11:01] <bassplayer> IIIEars - V
[11:01] <novaflare> realy tsume then write me some good ati drivers :)
[11:01] <teebones> (-j = journaling added)
[11:02] <BoarderTX>  i have followed http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto and have successfully gotten ndiswrapper to list that my wifi usb is driver and hardware present!
[11:02] <bassplayer> IIIEars - it sa it not a valid command
[11:02] <[Spooky] > teebones: sudo: ext3: command not found
[11:02] <BoarderTX> yet for some reason there is not a wlan0 listed under ifconfig
[11:02] <BoarderTX> i feel like i'm so close!!1
[11:02] <[Spooky] > ah wrog wait
[11:02] <Fator_Dee> [Spooky] : the ext3 is not part of the command
[11:02] <IIIEars> << - Can turn any language into FORTRAN without really trying.
[11:02] <teebones> [Spooky] , hehe.. no.. indeed it isn't
[11:02] <[Spooky] > i did it wrong :)
[11:02] <tsume> novaflare: steal the specs from ATI and I will ;)
[11:03] <cyphase> hey everyone
[11:03] <teebones> hey cyber23
[11:03] <teebones> err
[11:03] <teebones> hey cyphase
[11:03] <raDeon> ati licks my balls..
[11:03] <IIIEars> Hi
[11:03] <Fator_Dee> tabtypo :-)
[11:03] <cyber23> whats up guys
[11:03] <BoarderTX> any thoughts?
[11:03] <teebones> yep
[11:04] <teebones> cyber23, sry.. tabtypo.. :)
[11:04] <gteppel> I'm running Ubuntu Hoary and have noticed that xorg is hogging system resources. My box is AMD 1800XP, 768 RAM, Geforce4 128MB and if I open a terminal and then run top, when I move that terminal window around the desktop xorg usage is jumping up to the 70% which with my moderate system I think its kind of ridcolous. Any ideas how I can make ubuntu more responsive, other things like resizing windows and maximizing/minimizing is causing r
[11:04] <gteppel> eally ugly redraw effects. Is gnome just slow?, I don't remember KDE being this bad!
[11:04] <[Spooky] > teebones: ok and now when its done ?
[11:04] <pfp> BoarderTX: how about 'ip link ls'? (ifconfig doesn't list devices that are down by dfl)
[11:05] <teebones> [Spooky] , you need to think of a mount point name
[11:05] <teebones> wich you want hdb1 to be mounted as
[11:05] <[Spooky] > teebones: yepp done
[11:05] <[Spooky] > should i mke the folder then edit the fstab ?
[11:05] <teebones> make the directory on the / system
[11:06] <wdh> gteppel, gnome is quite slow.. its being worked on though.. if it's extremely slow maybe you use the wrong GPU drivers?
[11:06] <teebones> then edit fstab, so it mount hdb1 to that directory
[11:06] <teebones> (on every boot)
[11:06] <geetergod> Ok, i see Limewire under Applications,Internet
[11:06] <geetergod> But i click on it and it does nothing
[11:07] <geetergod> what should i do now?
[11:07] <[Spooky] > teebones: and the sudo mount -a ?
[11:07] <wdh> geetergod, how did you install it?
[11:07] <[Spooky] > *then
[11:07] <geetergod> http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[11:08] <geetergod> exactly like that
[11:08] <Fator_Dee> gteppel: or you could change to a "better" Desktop Environment, like XFCE4 *wink* *wink*
[11:08] <gteppel> k
[11:08] <teebones> [Spooky] , that is a way to do it.. but i prefer another one
[11:08] <teebones> I would (for checking purpose) do a manual mount
[11:08] <Lydon> is there any way to set up tightvncserver where when I connect to it through I windows machine I see the full GNOME desktop?
[11:08] <[Spooky] > teebones: ok well i get a "wrong fstype" on mount -a
[11:09] <Fator_Dee> tsume: if one has the resources, it's not *that* bad :-p
[11:09] <tsume> it automagically mounts and opens windows for devices
[11:09] <tsume> Fator_Dee: I've the resources, but I frown at the memory because I'm a developer.
[11:09] <teebones> [Spooky] , you need to tell fstab that it is ext3 (if it is ext3) and not ext2
[11:09] <geetergod> wdh, any tips?
[11:09] <tsume> Fator_Dee: I take up the rest of the memory what other applications don't ;)
[11:09] <Fator_Dee> tsume: I frown at the memory 'cause I don't have enough!
[11:09] <Fator_Dee> grrr..
[11:10] <Shuddertrix> tsume: if I could get kde to look like my gnome desktop does, i'd love it. Probably could, just not up to do it ;)
[11:10] <wdh> geetergod, try find the executable.. 'sudo updatedb && sudo locate limewire' for example
[11:10] <IIIEars> Yes but there is NEVER enough RAM.
[11:10] <teebones> [Spooky] , for instance           /dev/hdb1       /home           ext3    defaults        0       2
[11:10] <wdh> geetergod, not sure if you need the second 'sudo'
[11:10] <Fator_Dee> IIIEars: I was happy with 512 :-<
[11:11] <geetergod> k
[11:11] <Shuddertrix> IIIEars: Unless you have something weird like 16 terabytes of ram, but soon enough that will be like using 16 megabytes in this day.
[11:11] <IIIEars> Bill gates thought 640kbs was enough.
[11:11] <Fator_Dee> IIIEars: but he's bill gates
[11:11] <teebones> IIIEars, because he has no more brain storage
[11:11] <Fator_Dee> IIIEars: he thinks windows is better
[11:11] <IIIEars> True - What was i thinking. - lol
[11:11] <Shuddertrix> I like teebones' explination
[11:12] <tanek> hej
[11:12] <[Spooky] > teebones: works! thanks...
[11:12] <tanek> wrong chan sry
[11:12] <geetergod> /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/C/common/menus/limewire.xml
[11:12] <geetergod> /opt/LimeWire/root/magnet10/limewire.gif
[11:12] <JDahl> teebones, yes... what a loser - He only made more money than you can imagine in 10 years
[11:12] <geetergod> thats what it said in the terminal after i entered it
[11:12] <teebones> [Spooky] , glad to help you out
[11:12] <eruin> haha, I get 4.800 fps in glxgears
[11:12] <eruin> as in four point eight
[11:12] <Shuddertrix> my conversation in 2080: In my days, we used 4 GIGABYTES of ram and we LIKED IT!! *obligatory cane poking comes next*
[11:13] <geetergod> sudo updatedb && sudo locate limewire
[11:13] <eruin> with the nvidia drivers
[11:13] <geetergod> i entered that
[11:13] <Fator_Dee> eruin: that might be some kind of a record
[11:13] <Shuddertrix> eruin: I can get 2.750fps :P
[11:13] <wdh> geetergod, is there something in /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin that looks like limewire?
[11:13] <eruin> Fator_Dee, yeah ;) I wonder why though... I guess I'll install the official drivers instead of the package
[11:13] <Lydon> is it possible to use vnc to show the full dektop, etc?  When I connect I only see a console.
[11:13] <Shuddertrix> Just run vmware while compiling 2 things at once, perferably one compiling in vmware too :P
[11:14] <medkit_> Howto remove two modules (in my case: hpt34x and hpt366) from a 2.6.10-5-k7 Kernel? Have sources and headers, need guidance.
[11:14] <IIIEars> eruin - What have you done so far?
[11:14] <eruin> Shuddertrix, that's cheating!
[11:14] <novaflare> any one useing  DRI drivers on ubuntu?
[11:14] <eruin> IIIEars, I've gone official nvidia-glx deb
[11:14] <Shuddertrix> eruin: Ok then, how about on a 386 then?
[11:14] <Taliesin`> ^^
[11:14] <geetergod> where do i go to check?
[11:14] <Shuddertrix> That's not cheating, that's just normal! :D
[11:14] <eruin> Shorty`, also cheating.. this is on a barton2500 ;)
[11:14] <Taliesin`> 90FPS for GLX Gears :D
[11:14] <eruin> I used to have 3000fps.. wonder wtf is wrong ;)
[11:14] <Taliesin`> haha eruin
[11:14] <Taliesin`> sif make a small window
[11:14] <Taliesin`> :P
[11:14] <eruin> :)
[11:14] <[Spooky] > teebones: take time to come into the world of linux hehe
[11:15] <IIIEars> eruin - "" The Official binary drivers are a bit better.
[11:15] <eruin> IIIEars, yeah ;)
[11:15] <Shuddertrix> You should only take glxgears benchs at the default screen size. It's only natural.
[11:15] <Fator_Dee> haha, average 90FPS in glxgears, beat that!
[11:15] <eruin> 4.8fps tells me something is horribly wrong in my configuration though
[11:15] <Shuddertrix> Um.
[11:15] <Taliesin`> http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/18/2033216 <- btw, a great read of what it would be like if linux was the dominent OS, aka came out before Windows did and was the mainstream market.
[11:15] <Shuddertrix> eruin: Did you kill the nvidia drivers for everyone?
[11:16] <Shuddertrix> I'm getting 10fps!
[11:16] <wdh> Fator_Dee, in what direction? up or down?
[11:16] <eruin> Shuddertrix, buahhaa
[11:16] <teebones> [Spooky] , yes.. have fun to learn and love linux
[11:16] <Fator_Dee> wdh: whatever floats your boat
[11:16] <pidius> ciao a tutti
[11:16] <novaflare> 1542.800 FPS   <<<< wtf
[11:16] <Shuddertrix> 50 frames in 5.0 seconds = 10.000 FPS
[11:16] <afx> bonsoir
[11:16] <wdh> 647 frames in 5.0 seconds = 129.400 FPS
[11:16] <Taliesin`> interesting
[11:16] <geetergod> yes theres a limewire thing in here
[11:16] <Taliesin`> im seeing IPv6 ip's sendming messages to the channel
[11:16] <Taliesin`> :P
[11:17] <IIIEars> I must be the last person in North America to play "Super Turbo Turkey Puncher 3" in linux. - great game. - lol
[11:17] <pidius> ciao
[11:17] <Shuddertrix> something tells me the cpu is being used up..
[11:17] <Fator_Dee> Shuddertrix: top?
[11:17] <wdh> geetergod, in /usr/bin?
[11:17] <novaflare> that would be me taliesin
[11:17] <geetergod> yes
[11:17] <Shuddertrix> damn wine
[11:17] <sbcl3> IIIEars: i haven't played it...
[11:17] <spiderworm2> hey all i have a large collection of mp3s and am running 64 bit hoary, kde instead of gnome, i cant seem to find a good kde player with mp3 support.  what do i do?
[11:17] <novaflare> oddly enough my ipv6 con here is better than ipv4
[11:17] <Shuddertrix> Fator_Dee: Yeah, i just checked my top when you typed that
[11:17] <Taliesin`> (novaflare): :)
[11:17] <wdh> geetergod, 'cd /usr/bin; ./whateveritiscalled'
[11:17] <Taliesin`> i havent opened up my IPv6 connection for awhile
[11:17] <Amaranth> raDeon: Please don't do that again.
[11:17] <wdh> geetergod, naturally replacing the last term by the actual filename :)
[11:18] <spiderworm2> raDeon: i second that
[11:18] <Amaranth> spiderworm2: I can enforce it. ;)
[11:18] <IIIEars> sbcl3 - It's part of "Doom 3"'s cafeteria
[11:18] <Shuddertrix> Odd , that is
[11:18] <spiderworm2> Amaranth: cool
[11:18] <Shuddertrix> I'm getting only around 1000 fps now..
[11:18] <wdh> spiderworm2, i liked JuK on KDE
[11:18] <Taliesin`> Super Turbo Turkey Puncher 3!!!!
[11:18] <Taliesin`> hmm
[11:18] <spiderworm2> wdh: i like juk too but there seems to be a prob with mp3 playback
[11:18] <eruin> oh
[11:18] <eruin> right
[11:18] <teebones> l8r dudes.dudetes
[11:19] <Shuddertrix> Taliesin`: THAT IS TEH FUN!1!
[11:19] <Shuddertrix> ;)
[11:19] <geetergod> says ....     bash: ./limewire: No such file or directory
[11:19] <Taliesin`> (Shuddertrix): rgr
[11:19] <wdh> spiderworm2, search the wiki for 'restricted formats'
[11:19] <eruin> 11300 eruin     25   0 43792  34m  10m R 44.9  6.8 204:25.48 poedit
[11:19] <eruin> 11496 eruin     25   0 43788  30m  11m R 43.9  6.0 190:19.23 poedit
[11:19] <lonewolff> geetergod: its called runLime.sh
[11:19] <eruin> that might have something to do with my low fps :P
[11:19] <Shuddertrix> eruin: you're a cheater!
[11:19] <geetergod> ok
[11:19] <Quest-Master> raDeon: Any reason why you /CTCP'ed me?
[11:19] <wdh> spiderworm2, iirc installing gstreamer-mad will help
[11:19] <eruin> Shuddertrix, damn, I thought I was leet :P
[11:19] <raDeon> Quest-Master, yes
[11:19] <Fator_Dee> eruin: kill the bastard!
[11:19] <raDeon> Quest-Master, i love you
[11:20] <geetergod> still cant find it
[11:20] <Quest-Master> raDeon: Hmm?
[11:20] <geetergod> bash: ./runlime.sh: No such file or directory
[11:20] <geetergod> geetergod@cpe-66-24-86-121:/usr/bin$
[11:20] <eruin> Fator_Dee, now I get 3120fps
[11:20] <eruin> :(
[11:20] <lonewolff> is it in a limewire folder?
[11:20] <wdh> geetergod, 'locate runLime
[11:20] <lonewolff> i have mine in /usr/limewire/
[11:20] <wdh> geetergod, and linux is case-sensitive
[11:20] <Fator_Dee> eruin: might be better to keep that poedit running
[11:20] <xav_> hi all
[11:20] <eruin> Fator_Dee, yes! :p
[11:20] <Shuddertrix> poedit: Cross-platform gettext catalog editor
[11:20] <geetergod> /usr/bin/runLime.sh
[11:20] <geetergod> /usr/bin/runLime.sh~
[11:20] <geetergod> /opt/LimeWire/runLime.sh
[11:21] <geetergod> thats what i got
[11:21] <eruin> Fator_Dee, but then fast-user-switching-applet won't come out in my language!
[11:21] <wdh> ok, try '/usr/bin/runLime.sh'
[11:21] <geetergod> k
[11:21] <toxicfume> guys
[11:21] <wdh> geetergod, and again, it is case-sensitive
[11:21] <xav_> does anyone know how to compile kernel modules (lirc mod) without actually compiling a kernel (ie using standard 2.6.10 ubuntu kernel and sources)
[11:21] <geetergod> Starting LimeWire...
[11:21] <geetergod> Java exec not found in PATH, starting auto-search...
[11:21] <geetergod> ls: /usr/java: No such file or directory
[11:21] <geetergod> OOPS, unable to locate java exec in  /usr/java/  hierarchy
[11:21] <geetergod> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://www.java.com
[11:21] <Fator_Dee> eruin: I don't even like to use any program in my native language :-|
[11:22] <geetergod> i need to upgrade that first?
[11:22] <wdh> geetergod, do as it says :)
[11:22] <wdh> geetergod, yes
[11:22] <wdh> geetergod, search the wiki for
[11:22] <wdh> *java
[11:22] <wdh> geetergod, there are several ways of installing the JRE
[11:22] <toxicfume> I am using MEPIS right now, which flawlessly detects al my newer hardware, if i wanted to use Ubuntu now(which i have tried and know has LOTS of problems with my hardware), can i copy the config files and get the hardware to work in ubuntu?
[11:22] <geetergod> just 'sudo apt-get JRE 1.4.x?
[11:22] <wdh> geetergod, nope
[11:22] <cyber23> who in here can help me get my ati video drivers working... I seem to have everything installed but they arn't working right.  need someones help
[11:22] <desrt> geetergod; you wish :)
[11:22] <geetergod> lol i know
[11:23] <crimmy> cyber23: did you follow http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?
[11:23] <timmy__> hi guys, I am completely knew to the whole linux ubuntu thing, so a few questions. Whats the executable file extention, ie whats linux equivilent to m$ .exe?
[11:23] <wdh> geetergod, then please stop playing stupid and save us the typing
[11:23] <cyber23> yes and had no luck
[11:23] <geetergod> well this is my 2nd day on ubuntu
[11:23] <crimmy> timmy__: there is none. It all depends on the permissions on the file and the actual magic.
[11:23] <geetergod> can i just get it from www.java.com?
[11:23] <Fator_Dee> timmy__: yes, it depends on the file completely
[11:23] <hondje> numerology
[11:24] <Fator_Dee> timmy__: usually there's no extension
[11:24] <timmy__> thanks also, how do I actualy run the installers
[11:24] <timmy__> i am tryin to update firefox
[11:24] <Fator_Dee> timmy__: depends on the installer :-)
[11:24] <timmy__> i have downloaded the update
[11:24] <justin> timmy__: you already have the latest firefox
[11:25] <timmy__> it says i am out of date
[11:25] <justin> it?
[11:25] <Flav> it!
[11:25] <Fator_Dee> timmy__: the extension website?
[11:25] <cyber23> this is no on in here that can help with ati drivers
[11:25] <crimmy> timmy__: the version string was not updated
[11:25] <crimmy> cyber23: did you answer my question?
[11:25] <darkaudit> when I tried to either create a new EA account, or reclaim an existing one, it crapped out... I couldn't type anything where I needed to
[11:25] <Shuddertrix> I'm having problems getting gnome to startup any applications upon boot. Anyone know what file I would have to change (to do it manually instead of with the Sessions panel)
[11:25] <justin> .. yes, probably the website with the nice big explanation that tells you how to fix the problem
[11:26] <crimmy> cyber23: (please preface responses with my nick and a semicolon so it'll trigger my irc client's highlighting)
[11:26] <darkaudit> but that was still more than I expected... :)
[11:26] <hung_daddy> hi guys
[11:26] <hung_daddy> i need help
[11:26] <Flav> crimmy: semicolon? not colon?
[11:26] <crimmy> Flav: either will work for me :)
[11:26] <threat> What program do I configure to control the auto-mount feature?  is that a gnome thing? or some other program doing that? (well I know its not autofs doing it ;))
[11:26] <darkaudit> crimmy: what about a comma? :)
[11:26] <Flav> crimmy!
[11:26] <cyber23> crimmy: yes I tryed the site
[11:26] <crimmy> sure, some delimiter
[11:26] <Flav> (rhymes with timmy)
[11:26] <apollo2011> I added the universe repository and I am wondering if I add the openoffice.org 2.0 Beta packages. Will that affec the currently installed 1.1.3
[11:26] <threat> crimmy!
[11:27] <threat> :P
[11:27] <geetergod> is J2SE (Core/Desktop) an updated version of JRE?
[11:27] <cyber23> crimmy; yes I tryed the site
[11:27] <threat> apollo2011, no
[11:27] <cyber23> crimmy; I didn't have any luck
[11:27] <Flav> geetergod: no, it's just a specific version of the Java Runtime Environment
[11:27] <crimmy> cyber23: does glxinfo tell you "Direct rendering: yes"?
[11:27] <darkaudit> threat: IIRC it's gnome-volume-manager
[11:27] <cyber23> it says no
[11:28] <threat> geetergod, add a debian mirror and install java-package I Think its called
[11:28] <cyber23> crimmy; it says no
[11:28] <Flav> geetergod: JRE is just the runtime, JDK is the Java Development Kit that also includers compilers and other tools along with the JRE
[11:28] <geetergod> how do i upgrade JRE 1.4.x?
[11:28] <geetergod> oh
[11:28] <Fator_Dee> cyber23: have you restarted X?
[11:28] <cyber23> crimmy: yes
[11:28] <cyber23> crimmy: and restarted my computer
[11:28] <threat> darkaudit, I see, and how would one configure that?  because its extremeley unreliable, either I need to configure it properly for my setup or I need to "uninstall it" (or at least disable it) and use autofs)
[11:28] <cyber23> crimmy: I am running out of luck
[11:29] <crimmy> cyber23: (ok, you probably meant to address those last two statements to Fator_Dee)
[11:29] <cyber23> fator_dee: yes I have
[11:29] <Fator_Dee> :-)
[11:29] <hung_daddy> i want to install the kde desktop but i dont see it in the package manager, and im connected to the internet
[11:29] <crimmy> hung_daddy: install kubuntu-desktop
[11:29] <hung_daddy> i dont see that either
[11:29] <geetergod> this stuffs so confusing
[11:29] <crimmy> hung_daddy: is the main repository enabled?
[11:29] <threat> geetergod, not really  :) what are you finding confusing/
[11:29] <darkaudit> threat: I've really got no idea beyond what program is doing it... sorry :(
[11:30] <hung_daddy> what is that crimmy?
[11:30] <threat> darkaudit, ok :(
[11:30] <tito> anyone know a gnome/client to dbus system ?
[11:30] <threat> crimmy, do you know/ :)
[11:30] <threat> tito, who/
[11:30] <cyber23> fator_dee: can u help any
[11:30] <geetergod> this is my 2nd day NOT on windows, i dont understand how to install things really
[11:30] <crimmy> threat: come again?
[11:30] <justin> tito: what do you expect a dbus client to do?
[11:30] <geetergod> like upgrading JRE 1.4.x  dont even know where to begin
[11:30] <Fator_Dee> cyber23: hard to help when I don't have any idea on what the problem could be if you have followed those instructions
[11:30] <threat> crimmy, hmm should I repeat my self or should you scroll up about 16 lines?
[11:31] <cyber23> I have
[11:31] <Fator_Dee> cyber23: but you could paste the /etc/X11/xorg.conf to www.pastebin.com so we could have a look at that
[11:31] <cyber23> fator_dee: I have
[11:31] <Keito> i wondered why oss didn't work, and then found out that /dev/dsp and /dev/audio have been replaced by wav-files (quite logical that it didn't work, then). what do i do to get those working again?
[11:31] <Fator_Dee> cyber23: and /var/log/Xorg.0.log too
[11:31] <cyber23> fator_dee: k
[11:31] <crimmy> threat: that's in System>Preferences>...
[11:31] <tito> show popup near notification area when a device is plug-in/out, when i received a mail...
[11:31] <munki> Does anybody know a good editor (like Quanta+ for KDE) that runs on GTK+ ?
[11:31] <threat> crimmy, w00t
[11:31] <crimmy> (don't have Hoary running tam)
[11:31] <crimmy> atm, rather
[11:32] <tito> evolution... hal.. udev.. use dbus
[11:32] <geetergod> http://forum.java.sun.com/forum.jspa?forumID=32
[11:32] <geetergod> this is where i am now
[11:32] <tito> but i'm unable to find a project to show interessting message on user desktop
[11:32] <geetergod> am i getting close?
[11:33] <crimmy> cyber23: ok, start at the beginning. Are you sure your hardware is supported by the version of the ATI drivers in Hoary?
[11:33] <g14> tito: Gnome is missing a generic notification library
[11:33] <tito> g14, why gnome don't use dbus ?
[11:33] <tito> gnotify is bad.
[11:34] <justin> tito: I think you are confused about what dbus actually does
[11:34] <cyber23> every where that I have read says they are
[11:34] <g14> tito: dbus does IPC interprocess communication. Not notification like the balloons in windows
[11:34] <tito> maybe, but we can't build a client of top of dbus ?
[11:34] <cyber23> fator_dee: http://pastebin.com/291867
[11:34] <tito> i'm agree with this
[11:34] <phpfreak> anyone here tried Ubuntu on an HP pavilion laptop yet?
[11:35] <apollo2011> threat: no it will or no it won't?
[11:35] <cyber23> crimmy: that I have seen it is supported
[11:35] <tito> a "notification application" is some part of catch interprocess communication
[11:35] <tito> (sorry for my bad english)
[11:35] <hung_daddy> argh i need kde
[11:35] <apollo2011> threat: nvm i guess it won't interfere
[11:36] <hung_daddy> i cant find it
[11:36] <justin> hung_daddy: you don't need to "find" it, just install it
[11:36] <crimmy> cyber23: ok, please post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log onto http://pastebin.com
[11:36] <Kpjas> hung_daddy: Kubuntu ?
[11:36] <phpfreak> I get as far as loading up X and then when I login, the mouse freezes and it hangs after the initial sound
[11:36] <hung_daddy> yeah
[11:36] <hung_daddy> i cant find it
[11:36] <cyber23> crimmy: http://pastebin.com/291867
[11:36] <crimmy> hung_daddy: paste the output of ,,apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop'' in #flood
[11:36] <hung_daddy> in synaptec
[11:36] <cyber23> crimmy: thats it there
[11:36] <hung_daddy> crimmy i dont understand what u said
[11:36] <robert_> why cant i hear any sounds from ubuntu?
[11:37] <Fator_Dee> (WW) fglrx(0): board is an unknown third party board, chipset is supported <-- that might have something to do about it
[11:37] <crimmy> hung_daddy: open a terminal, type apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop, paste the output into the irc channel #flood on this network
[11:37] <Fator_Dee> but if it's supported, it might now :-\
[11:38] <cyber23> fator_dee; did u get my http://pastebin.com/291867
[11:38] <Varanger> hi all
[11:38] <geetergod> is this where i can get JRE 1.4.x?   http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/java2-status/jdk1.4-status.html
[11:38] <hung_daddy> k i did that crimmy
[11:38] <Varanger> does anyone know how to make an Intel High Definition Audio work ???
[11:39] <Kpjas> what needs more resources kubuntu or vanilla ubuntu Hoary ?
[11:39] <Fator_Dee> cyber23: at he end of the log there's the reason for it
[11:39] <justin> geetergod: no. read the stuff about java in the ubuntu forums.
[11:39] <crimmy> Varanger: install the alsa-source package from universe and the build-essential package from main
[11:39] <Fator_Dee> cyber23: starting at line 838.
[11:40] <Fator_Dee> cyber23: or actually line 850.
[11:40] <Varanger> crimmy: al-source from Hoary ?
[11:40] <geetergod> k
[11:41] <cyber23> factor_dee; any way to fix it
[11:41] <justin> cyber23: how did you install the fglrx drivers?
[11:41] <crimmy> Varanger: alsa-source
[11:41] <crimmy> Varanger: (in universe)
[11:42] <Varanger> crimmy: Sorry, I meant alsa-source from Hoary universe.... or Breezy Universe?
[11:42] <crimmy> Varanger: the former (don't use the latter!)
[11:42] <threat> crimmy, hmmm although gnome doesn't always mount my USB drives :/
[11:43] <giggsey> Can someone give me a quick bit of support on speedtouch
[11:43] <giggsey> i followed the instructions on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UKSpeedtouchDSLHowTo
[11:43] <crimmy> threat: from a fresh boot?
[11:43] <giggsey> i reboot into linux, both lights come up, then the dls flashing then stays on, like in windows
[11:44] <giggsey> but when i try firefox or something, it doesn't work, so the modems working and initilazing, but its not connecting to the interwub
[11:44] <Ja1> Today on my  server  root user cannot delete any file in /usr/sbin and samba executables in /usr/bin.  Is it a known rootkit ? (moreover my chkrootkit now never finishes examining inetd)
[11:46] <martii> hi folks
[11:46] <martii> I need info about good DSL provider in UK
[11:46] <giggsey> not AOL, lol
[11:46] <Fator_Dee> Ja1: I think there's not much sense on running rootkit checker directly from the machine that is being checked
[11:46] <giggsey> ive got AOL
[11:46] <martii> cheap and large transfer liits
[11:46] <martii> limits
[11:46] <giggsey> AOL
[11:46] <crimmy> Varanger: after that, you need to install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[11:46] <Fator_Dee> Ja1: you should boot from a cd or something like that
[11:46] <giggsey> unlimited bandwidth, 512 connection for 17.99 a month
[11:47] <crimmy> Varanger: then follow the directions in /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian
[11:47] <martii> giggsey: AOL ?
[11:47] <giggsey> yes
[11:47] <martii> giggsey: hmm almost all providers have limits
[11:47] <hung_daddy> thank you crimmy
[11:47] <martii> giggsey: any links ?
[11:47] <crimmy> Varanger: essentially: cd /usr/src && sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2 && cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[11:47] <giggsey> true, http://aol.co.uk/
[11:48] <crimmy> Varanger: then choose "no" for Plug N Play, "yes" for debug, and choose the "azx" driver
[11:48] <Ja1> Fator_Dee: Knoppix ?
[11:48] <threat> crimmy, a fresh boot? no I mean I plug it in, I unmount it, I put it back in later and it doesnt mount, I leave it for a while. come back, take it out pout it back in again and it mounts
[11:48] <martii> giggsey: do they give free modem ?
[11:48] <Fator_Dee> Ja1: yep, or knoppix-std
[11:48] <threat> martii, ?
[11:48] <Fator_Dee> Ja1: knoppix-std might be a better choice
[11:48] <martii> threat: :)
[11:48] <giggsey> martii: yes, but its a crappy BT Voyager 105 USB
[11:48] <crimmy> Varanger: then, sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[11:48] <giggsey> anyone know an answer for my question above!!! ^_^
[11:49] <martii> giggsey: I have my modem from old probvide thomson speedtouch 330
[11:49] <crimmy> Varanger: when that last command completes, sudo dpkg -i ../*.deb
[11:49] <threat> martii, the topics are all over the place in this channel :)
[11:49] <martii> giggsey: worked fine for 12 months
[11:49] <Varanger> crimmy: is there any guide for it ?
[11:49] <giggsey> martii: kwl
[11:49] <crimmy> Varanger: I just wrote it out stepwise.
[11:49] <threat> giggsey, LOL you got AOL'ed!
[11:49] <martii> giggsey: thanks for info
[11:49] <Ja1> Fator_Dee: Is there any apt command to reinstall all suspect binaries in chroot ?
[11:49] <deviant> hello guys
[11:50] <giggsey> threat: im using Speedtouch 330 now, but i need last little bit of help on it, im a linux n00b, and proud!
[11:50] <threat> giggsey, is your computer a DELL by an chance? :)
[11:50] <threat> an = any
[11:50] <Varanger> crimmy: I don't understand this line : then, sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[11:50] <giggsey> no threat
[11:50] <threat> hehe
[11:50] <threat> just making sure :P
[11:50] <giggsey> Packard Bell
[11:50] <crimmy> Varanger: the "sudo ..." command is what you type in a terminal
[11:50] <deviant> why can`t i compile mplayer with xv output suport ?
[11:50] <threat> LOL!
[11:50] <martii> giggsey: I see that all their broadband have unlimited downloads
[11:50] <martii> giggsey: very rare
[11:50] <threat> giggsey, your not a geek are you ? :)
[11:50] <giggsey> yeah
[11:50] <giggsey> only on wednesdays :P
[11:50] <giggsey> ^_^
[11:50] <Fator_Dee> Ja1: I don't know :-\
[11:51] <martii> giggsey: hmm their offer is really nice
[11:51] <threat> giggsey, heh
[11:51] <crimmy> back in a bit
[11:51] <Varanger> crimmy: I know about sudo but about debian/rules... is that a command ?
[11:51] <martii> giggsey: what about connection, how often do they drop it
[11:51] <martii> giggsey: and reliability
[11:51] <crimmy> Varanger: yes
[11:51] <giggsey> what u mean?
[11:51] <giggsey> ive never had a problem with it
[11:51] <giggsey> and ive had it for 8 months
[11:51] <threat> giggsey, well on Wednesday how about you build a computer up from stratch, replacing your packard bell, and then build linux up from scratch :)  then you will have my respect :P hehe
[11:52] <Varanger> crimmy: what package ?
[11:52] <martii> giggsey: hmmm I think about ubuntu box as a router
[11:52] <giggsey> lol threat
[11:52] <martii> giggsey: with trafic shaping
[11:52] <martii> giggsey: so that AOL seems to be nice
[11:52] <threat> giggsey, :P  no offence ment of corse ;)
[11:52] <deviant> why can`t i compile mplayer with xv output suport ?
[11:53] <wdh> threat, dont fix what ain't broken :)
[11:53] <giggsey> martii: my mate has a server running of AOL, and its a reboot router every 3 months or something (for internet)
[11:53] <giggsey> i followed the instructions on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UKSpeedtouchDSLHowTo
[11:53] <wdh> deviant, stop re-asking questions
[11:53] <giggsey> i reboot into linux, both lights come up, then the dls flashing then stays on, like in windows
[11:53] <giggsey> but when i try firefox or something, it doesn't work, so the modems working and initilazing, but its not connecting to the interwub
[11:53] <martii> giggsey: I think you have problem with ppp
[11:53] <martii> giggsey: firmware seem to be loaded
[11:53] <Fator_Dee> giggsey: you should check what the logs say
[11:53] <martii> giggsey: what ip r s shows
[11:54] <giggsey> where r the logs
[11:54] <geetergod> I downloaded jre-1.5.0.03 is that the right JRE download?
[11:54] <Fator_Dee> they are in /var/log/
[11:54] <giggsey> trying to find if ive got VMWare on my windows
[11:54] <giggsey> kk Fator
[11:54] <threat> wdh,  ;) hehe, if its not broken tweak it :P
[11:54] <geetergod> it saved on desktop as jre-1_5_0_03-linux-i586.bin
[11:54] <Fator_Dee> threat: if it still won't break, tweak it more :-p
[11:54] <wdh> threat, :-)
[11:54] <martii> giggsey: try to look at ppp logs as its some kind of ppp over ATM or ETH I think
[11:55] <threat> Fator_Dee, heh :)
[11:55] <wdh> Fator_Dee, :-P
[11:55] <martii> giggsey: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UKSpeedtouchDSLHowTo
[11:55] <martii> giggsey: this one is very primitice
[11:55] <martii> giggsey: primitive
[11:55] <giggsey> lol
[11:55] <giggsey> :(
[11:55] <giggsey> i just need something simple and that will work
[11:56] <martii> giggsey: it says very little aobut ppp setup
[11:56] <martii> giggsey: and it's important to have defaultroute
[11:56] <martii> giggsey: setuped
[11:56] <giggsey> :blink:
[11:56] <threat> Fator_Dee, and if it wont tweak any more then purchase one of those variable clock isoSomethings and continue to tweak
[11:57] <aamcf> I have a problem when I sudo apt-get install goobox: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:57] <aamcf>   goobox: Depends: libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 2.9.90) but 2.8.2-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[11:57] <aamcf> E: Broken packages
[11:57] <Fator_Dee> threat: "Don't force it, get a bigger hammer."
[11:57] <giggsey> which log should i look in
[11:58] <threat> yeah
[11:58] <martii> giggsey: /var/log/ppp.log or so
[11:58] <enonu> Hello.  I'm new to ubuntu and linux in general.  I'm trying to set some environment variables, and I'm altering /etc/profile with X=Y type statements followed by EXPORT X statements, however upon logoff/logon, the variables aren't persisted.  What am I doing wrong?
[11:58] <giggsey> no ppf.log
[11:58] <martii> giggsey: tail /var/log/ppp<tab>
[11:58] <giggsey> *ppp
[11:58] <threat> giggsey, find /var/log -exec less {} \;
[11:58] <giggsey> im in windows, running explore2fs
[11:59] <dieman> enonu: you might just want to set trhem in /etc/environment
[11:59] <deviant> guys, how the hell do i compile mplayer with xv video output suport? trying --enable-xv won`t do the just :(
[11:59] <dieman> enonu: in there you don't need to do export, just put BLAH=blah
[11:59] <justin> deviant: install the ubuntu packages that already have xv support
[11:59] <dieman> enonu: pam will end up setting up the environment before the shell runs