[12:04] <trulux> pitti: heya fellow
[12:05] <pitti> trulux: you broke my box. twice. :-/
[12:05] <trulux> pitti: lots of things to talk about :)
[12:05] <trulux> pitti: what?
[12:05] <pitti> trulux: more detailled, PAM
[12:05] <trulux> pitti: PAM from pearls repo???
[12:05] <pitti> trulux: if I install your PAM packages, I get "sudo: pam_authenticate: Module is unknown" if I try to sudo
[12:05] <trulux> that's ajmitch's package
[12:05] <pitti> trulux: yes, from your repo
[12:05] <pitti> trulux: if I downgrade to breezy's PAM again, everything works
[12:06] <trulux> pitti: my old pam packages are 0.78 and located at ./ubuntu.wip/
[12:07] <pitti> trulux: ok, then I blame ajmitch
[12:07] <trulux> ajmitch's are in the apt-get'able repo, so, I have no competency over them
[12:07] <trulux> pitti: just don't blame, ask him for it
[12:07] <pitti> of course :-)
[12:07] <trulux> blaming is bad, I've learnt that lately.. Just give a **** to it if something goes wrong ;)
[12:08] <trulux> pitti: now I need a bit of help from you, on the 2.6.12 sources thing
[12:08] <trulux> pitti: it's still building and I left it doing so before I went to the cinema
[12:08] <trulux> that was around 21:00
[12:09] <trulux> looks like a loop
[12:09] <trulux> or cross compilation
[12:09] <trulux> either it's the first or the latter, i DON'T CARE, IT JUST SUCKS
[12:09] <trulux> -ECAPS
[12:09] <pitti> trulux: why you need to compile the kernel?
[12:10] <trulux> 'cos I'm on hoary and the headers are not a real package but an hybrid of the sources, or it just looks like that
[12:10] <pitti> trulux: you should consider that the source package builds many different flavors, that's what might appear as a loop
[12:10] <pitti> trulux: no, the linux-headers package is a real deb
[12:10] <trulux> could you send me a sanitized tarball of the direct kernel-headers directory in your /usr/src?
[12:10] <pitti> trulux: just install it and you get the headers and Makefiles in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-1
[12:11] <trulux> right, but it builds out of such thing
[12:11] <trulux> OK
[12:11] <trulux> will grab the flippin package
[12:11] <trulux> today I had migrains again
[12:11] <trulux> so, don't expect me to be less hard headed today ;)
[12:11] <trulux> on the other hand, how's going the gcc-3.4 packages with SSP enabled?
[12:12] <trulux> are they already available?
[12:13] <trulux> pitti: btw, how was your weekend?
[12:14] <pitti> trulux: was pretty fine, thanks. Enjoyed the sun, beach, and some BBQ :-)
[12:14] <pitti> trulux: I don't work on SSP pacakges
[12:14] <trulux> pitti: better than mine then
[12:14] <trulux> pitti: well, it was decided in the meeting to enable it in the now deprecated gcc-3.4 ones
[12:15] <pitti> yes, but I don't have time for that
[12:15] <trulux> pitti: it's just doing -#
[12:15] <trulux> de-comment the lines
[12:15] <trulux> buildd it
[12:15] <trulux> ;)
[12:16] <Nafallo> omg! I had 8 dhclient3s running.
[12:23] <Nafallo> pitti: when you derootified dhcp3, did you think of /var/run/dhclient.$if.pid?
[12:24] <pitti> Nafallo: hm, I think so???
[12:25] <Nafallo> pitti: I get permission denied on creating those files.
[12:25] <pitti> hm, very odd, it starts as root...
[12:25] <pitti> Nafallo: please file a bug, I'm too tired for today
[12:26] <Nafallo> pitti: I think it's related to #10803
[12:37] <pitti> Nafallo: right, thanks for reassigning
[12:38] <Nafallo> pitti: np :-).
[12:42] <JStrike> Urgh. Anybody know what channel sabdfl is on? I want to ask him if I may /msg a question
[12:43] <pitti> JStrike: how about /msg him _this_ question? :-)
[12:44] <Kamion> are you sure Mark's the right target for your question?
[12:44] <JStrike> Then I am still /msg'ing him uninvitedly
[12:44] <JStrike> Kamion : yep
[12:44] <JStrike> Some advice really
[12:44] <Kamion> you might also find mail a better bet
[12:45] <mdke> if you want to find out what channel someone is on, you can do a /whois on them
[12:45] <JStrike> I didn't want to send him an email. He probably gets a ton as is, but it seems I might have to
[12:45] <JStrike> mdke : Thanks
[12:45] <trulux> pitti: sorry of the delay, needed to get the meds for migrains, could you gimme the url of the headers .deb please?
[12:46] <JStrike> mdke : Doesn't work
[12:46] <mdke> JStrike, eh?
[12:46] <mdke> check your Freenode window
[12:46] <pitti> trulux: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/linux-source-2.6.12/linux-headers-2.6.12-1_2.6.11.93-1.1_i386.deb
[12:47] <trulux> pitti: OK, many thanks, you rock
[12:47] <trulux> anyone with migrains here?
[12:47] <Kamion> JStrike: he may not *be* in any channels right now. He's not in the private Canonical channel where he usually sits when he's actually paying attention to IRC.
[12:47] <pitti> np ;)
[12:47] <JStrike> mdke : That might be the problem. Using gaim. It did pop up a list with info though, but didn't say what channel he is on  
[12:47] <mdke> JStrike, he's not on any
[12:47] <mdke> trulux, computer screens are bad for migrains ;)
[12:48] <JStrike> mdke : Weird. /msg NickServe info said he was
[12:48] <Kamion> JStrike: some channels are secret and don't show up on /whois.
[12:48] <trulux> mdke: mine is a TFT, I'm safe of the sync-of-the-death
[12:49] <JStrike> Kamion : Oh. Well if he doesn't want to be disturbed, I can wait
[12:49] <trulux> mdke: though I have good conditions to stand up even with the pain of 40C of fever (well, I can imagine Madonna's tits in my screen, indeed) 
[12:49] <mdke> JStrike, that will tell you whether a person is online or not, it won't tell you what channels a person is in
[12:50] <mdke> trulux, you have a 40 fever?
[12:50] <Kamion> JStrike: busy people often work better with e-mail; they can deal with it in batch mode when they have time, rather than syncing up to somebody else's schedule
[12:51] <trulux> mdke: not yet
[12:51] <mdke> trulux, take it easy :)
[12:51] <trulux> mdke: yeah, chill out around, my good arm chair in fron of the devel box and the wireless keyboard and mouse. it's good :)
[12:56] <JStrike> mdke : Thanks. Will do
[12:57] <mdke> ok...
[12:58] <trulux> hey julien 
[12:58] <julien> hello
[12:58] <trulux> pitti: julien is a fellow with a very good background, skillful and willing to work together with me and you. I prefer to let him introduce himself
[12:58] <trulux> pitti: he's the man we need, someone who can do real work and not bitch around
[12:58] <pitti> Hi julien, nice to get to know you
[12:59] <julien> thanks trulux 
[12:59] <julien> Hi pitti, same here
[12:59] <trulux> julien: my pleasure, It was great when I heard you were interested, and even more now that we may meet personally in France this summer
[12:59] <julien> I have dicovered Ubuntu only a few weeks ago and I like the spirit
[01:01] <trulux> pitti: julien is maybe one of the bests when talking on how NX and W^X principles work
[01:01] <trulux> pitti: anyways, you'll know in the forthxoming weeks for sure
[01:01] <pitti> yeah, thanks for the intro
[01:02] <pitti> julien: would be great to see you rocking here :-)
[01:02] <pitti> anyway, guys, I need some sleep
[01:02] <pitti> good night, see you tomorrow morning
[01:02] <pitti> ... actually _today_ morning :-)
[01:37] <lifeless> is fl-cow synced from sid to breezy at this point ?
[01:38] <doko_> lifeless: the ubuntu-changes
[01:38] <doko_> lifeless: see ubuntu-changes
[01:38] <lifeless> doko_: ?
[01:38] <lifeless> is that a list? a webpage? a person ?
[01:39] <doko_> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/
[01:39] <doko_> mailing list
[01:39] <doko_> synced yesterday
[01:39] <lifeless> cool
[01:39] <lifeless> thanks
[01:39] <doko_> one new subscriber ...
[01:40] <lifeless> ?
[01:40] <doko_> no more sync questions ;-)
[01:46] <lifeless> 
[01:47] <Amaranth> did foo sync? :)
[01:47] <Amaranth> lifeless: what was that?
[01:47] <lifeless> my wireless shitting itself
[01:47] <lifeless> :[
[01:47] <Amaranth> nice
[01:47] <Amaranth> 0x7F
[01:48] <lifeless> doko_: probably wont subscribe .. I wouldn't have any need to read it for 99 days out of a hundred
[01:48] <lifeless> doko_: so the question is .. will I remember it next time ;)
[01:48] <Amaranth> lifeless: It'll also flood you out.
[01:49] <Amaranth> lifeless: I subscribed right when the mom got turned back on.
[01:49] <Amaranth> If I didn't delete mail every 5 minutes my mailbox would explode.
[01:49] <ajmitch> Amaranth: that's when gmail is useful
[01:49] <Amaranth> i left it overnight and came back to like 600 emails
[01:49] <Amaranth> ajmitch: this was gmail
[01:49] <ajmitch> heh :)
[01:50] <Amaranth> i hadn't setup a label and filter yet
[01:50] <Amaranth> after that i didn't bother
[01:51] <lifeless> if only there was a web page you could put a package name in and get the status of it in each distro
[01:51] <zul> there is...i forgot what it is called right now
[01:51] <lifeless> 'package'   'ubuntu/breezy'   'ubuntu/hoary'   'debian/sid'  'debian/sarge'  'redhat'
[01:51] <zul> bleah redhat
[01:52] <Amaranth> lifeless: Do you know how many distros there are?
[01:52] <lifeless> fl-cow    1.4-2   N/A   1.4-3   N/A  1.4-2
[01:52] <lifeless> Amaranth: yes
[01:52] <lifeless> Amaranth: by all I mean 'the ones soyuz is tracking'
[01:52] <Amaranth> how can sid have a newer version?
[01:52] <ajmitch> Amaranth: unmerged changes for ubuntu
[01:52] <Amaranth> ah
[01:52] <lifeless> Amaranth: that would indicate something pending sync, or failing to sync
[03:40] <dilinger> mako: *poke*
[03:43] <jsgotangco> mornin'
[04:01] <ajmitch> hi jsgotangco 
[04:10] <jsgotangco> hey ajmitch how was your weekend
[04:12] <ajmitch> fairly quiet, how about you?
[04:14] <jsgotangco> not bad although the rainy season is about to start here
[05:37] <daniels> elmo: if I upload xorg 6.8.2-10hoary1 to hoary-updates (hypothetically), two questions: one, do I need the .orig as well; two, I set the upload target to hoary-updates, right?
[06:18] <fabbione> morning
[08:05] <pitti> Morning
[08:11] <mdz> pitti: morning
[08:11] <pitti> Hi mdz
[08:11] <[Chameleon] > what is the proper etiquite for editing items in the bounties list? I'd like to add a suggestion/comment to on eof the listed items.
[08:11] <[Chameleon] > s/on eof/one of
[08:13] <mdz> [Chameleon] : email JaneW
[08:14] <[Chameleon] > mdz: I shall. Thank you.
[08:14] <sabdfl> mdz: ping
[08:14] <pitti> Hi sabdfl
[08:14] <sabdfl> hey guys
[08:14] <mdz> sabdfl: pong
[08:15] <sabdfl> getting ready to MAKE THE PITCH at Guadec
[08:15] <sabdfl> mdz: quick thought re LaunchpadIntegration before it slips from my addled brain
[08:15] <sabdfl> again
[08:15] <fabbione> sabdfl morning 
[08:15] <Amaranth> went to bed really early so i could wake up at 1am my time to watch it
[08:15] <fabbione> hey pitti
[08:15] <fabbione> hey mdz
[08:15] <sabdfl> would it be possible for the URL to include locale information?
[08:15] <mdz> fabbione: morning
[08:15] <sabdfl> hey fabbione!
[08:15] <mdz> sabdfl: yeah, should be easy enough
[08:15] <fabbione> sabdfl: good luck with your talk!
[08:15] <sabdfl> what's cooking in clusterland?
[08:16] <sabdfl> mdz: rock
[08:16] <fabbione> sabdfl: biarch support for ppc64, package splitting, evaluation of impact in main (since we will need part of it in main)
[08:16] <sabdfl> can i take that off my list of things to convey then? could you add it to sebs list or the spec?
[08:16] <sabdfl> fabbione: awesome
[08:16] <sabdfl> impact as in asteroid-rating?
[08:17] <fabbione> sabdfl: if i will manage we will get the first init scripts too
[08:17] <fabbione> sabdfl: no, the worst case is one or two packages to rebuild for a soname change
[08:17] <sabdfl> ok, cool
[08:17] <fabbione> sabdfl: but i still want to be 200% sure that it will work as it should :)
[08:17] <fabbione> i am an italian paranoid.. and you know that :)
[08:18] <sabdfl> parandroid
[08:18] <fabbione> ahha
[08:18] <mdz> sabdfl: yeah, I'll transfer it
[08:19] <ajmitch> hello sabdfl, mdz & others :)
[08:19] <sabdfl> mdz: thanksvery much
[08:19] <mdz> sabdfl: which pitch is this one?
[08:19] <sabdfl> that means we can take the guys straight to a page to translate their app into their language
[08:19] <jsgotangco> hello
[08:19] <sabdfl> AND we can display the instructions on that page in their language too :-)
[08:20] <sabdfl> mdz: Guadec keynote
[08:21] <sabdfl> will talk about collaboration as a primary objective of the desktop, as well as collaboration on the development side
[08:21] <sabdfl> along the way singing the praises of baz, rosetta and malone
[08:21] <mdz> sabdfl: in three-part harmony?
[08:21] <mdz> four with ubuntu
[08:21] <sabdfl> i've hacked up a nice little demo of translation sharing in real time between ubuntu and upstream on a local rosetta branch
[08:23] <sabdfl> so i'm expecting the inevitable demo effect: 500 Application Error
[08:23] <sabdfl> time to run
[08:23] <mdz> break a leg
[08:23] <jsgotangco> break a leg indeed
[08:24] <ajmitch> hopefully the stream will be watchable from here
[08:24] <mdz> is anyone here in the audience at guadec?
[08:25] <ajmitch> I think ogra & seb were yesterday, if they're around
[08:26] <jsgotangco> thats awesome
[08:27] <pitti> Hey ajmitch 
[08:27] <ajmitch> hi pitti 
[08:27] <ajmitch> how are you?
[08:27] <pitti> ajmitch: I downloaded the selinux-enabled packages from trulux' archive, but the PAM there broke my box
[08:27] <ajmitch> pitti: that's no surprise :)
[08:27] <pitti> ajmitch: fine and I enjoyed the summer during the weekend, thanks :-) and you?
[08:28] <pitti> ajmitch: erm, if these packages are supposed to wander into main, they *must not* break my or anyone elses's box :-)
[08:28] <ajmitch> there should be a note that they're not really ready - 0.78 has changed syntax, so anything putting files in /etc/pam.d using @include needs changed iff we're to use it
[08:28] <pitti> ajmitch: specifically, I can't sudo any more: "sudo: pam_authenticate: Module is unknown"
[08:28] <pitti> ajmitch: uh, that sounds a bit scary
[08:28] <ajmitch> interesting, I wonder what happened to that module :)
[08:29] <ajmitch> pitti: @include was a debian hack, I think, upstream had different ideas
[08:29] <pitti> ajmitch: is there a safe upgrade path that can be implemented quickly?
[08:29] <pitti> ajmitch: if not, I'd prefer applying the selinux extensions to the 0.76 version in breezy, if that's possible
[08:29] <ajmitch> yes, backporting the patch to 0.76
[08:29] <ajmitch> manoj is working on 0.79 for debian
[08:29] <ajmitch> which may or may not be ready in time
[08:30] <pitti> ajmitch: if it's questionable, then I'd feel better with the proven 0.76 version. would porting the selinux stuff be much effor?
[08:30] <pitti> effort, even
[08:30] <ajmitch> no, I don't think so
[08:30] <ajmitch> it consists of changes to one module, and a new pam module
[08:32] <ajmitch> hi JaneW 
[08:32] <JaneW> morning ajmitch 
[08:32] <bob2> aloha, JaneW 
[08:33] <JaneW> hi bob2 *wave*
[08:33] <jsgotangco> hello
[08:33] <pitti> Morning JaneW 
[08:33] <ajmitch> pitti: not sure where sudo got that pam_authenticate from
[08:33] <ajmitch> since it doesn't exist in 0.76 either - I think it may have been a config change by me
[08:34] <pitti> ajmitch: me neither, but after that my box was basically screwed and it wasn't obvious how to fix that
[08:34] <ajmitch> sorry about that :)
[08:34] <pitti> ajmitch: I didn't think about the selinux packages at first, so I thought it was a dist-upgrade breakage
[08:34] <pitti> ajmitch: no worries, better I find out that 10.000 users :-)
[08:36] <\sh> morning
[08:36] <ajmitch> morning \sh 
[08:36] <ajmitch> pitti: I think >100 angry developers would have found out before then :)
[08:38] <ajmitch> ok
[08:51] <ajmitch> pitti: good, looks like selinux support is going into pam upstream (judging by changelog in cvs)
[08:51] <Treenaks> ooh nice
[08:51] <ajmitch> 0.76 is from 2002
[08:57] <pitti> ajmitch: it will be in 0.79?
[08:58] <ajmitch> pitti: 0.79 was released in march, it will be in 0.80
[09:00] <ajmitch> it looks like pam_selinux was committed to cvs just 2 weeks ago
[09:39] <trulux> ajmitch: yup, great
[09:39] <trulux> pitti: will try to port it, I think I did in the past though I missed the patch in my archives
[09:43] <pitti> Morning trulux 
[09:43] <pitti> trulux: any success with vsecurity? or any problem you need help with?
[09:43] <trulux> pitti: heyas fellow
[09:44] <trulux> pitti: partially, I was horrified with the huge amount of API related errors, I can't imagine why that's so hard broken. with vanilla rc5 it just works out of the box
[09:45] <trulux> pitti: after fixing the spinlock's pointer issues, I get the vsecurity_ops (the sec_ops struct of LSM) to cause another huge amount of issues
[09:45] <trulux> pitti: I dunno really what's in Ubuntu sources that breaks it that hard
[09:47] <fabbione> ????
[09:48] <fabbione> trulux, pitti: mind to explain?
[09:51] <pitti> fabbione: trulux said that the ABI of the 2.6.12rc5 pristine is significantly different from our's (e. g. spinlock functions)
[09:52] <pitti> Hi carlos
[09:52] <carlos> pitti, morning
[09:52] <trulux> pitti: will check later
[09:52] <trulux> bbl, class
[09:54] <fabbione> pitti: i find that hard to believe, but we imported a big fat acpi patch that might have these bits...
[09:54] <fabbione> pitti: but checking is not difficult... just grep in debian/patches
[09:55] <fabbione> acpi is the only patch that comes to mind
[09:55] <fabbione> i don't recall changing spinlocks around at all
[09:59] <pitti> fabbione: we don't patch it, so that's indeed bogus
[09:59] <pitti> fabbione: linux-source-2.6.12_2.6.11.93.orig.tar.gz is exactly 2.6.12rc5 upstream?
[09:59] <fabbione> yes
[09:59] <fabbione> given that the incremental diffs are not borked.. it isd
[09:59] <fabbione> it is
[10:00] <pitti> fabbione: our main concern was the declaration of spin_lock and spin_unlock(). In 2.6.10 they take a spinlock_t, in 2.6.12 a spinlock_t* (a pointer)
[10:00] <pitti> fabbione: I don't believe that we patch such a fundamental issue
[10:00] <pitti> ... and we don't
[10:01] <fabbione> no we don't
[10:01] <fabbione> ;)
[10:04] <pitti> fabbione: ... but please don't forget to unlock him again :-)
[10:06] <fabbione> hehehe
[10:07] <fabbione> humpf.....
[10:07] <fabbione> hmmmm
[10:11] <mjg59> mx|gone: Hi
[10:12] <[Chameleon] > Anybody else in here running Ubuntu on AMD64?
[10:13] <tfheen> [Chameleon] : yes, why?
[10:17] <[Chameleon] > I'm running into problems installing packages, mostly 3rd party, with regard to missing dependencies.
[10:17] <[Chameleon] > I'm just wondering if I should instead go with 32-bit for now... or if maybe I can help get 64-bit packages available?
[10:17] <[Chameleon] > I'm no pro, but I can learn.
[10:18] <pitti> trulux: I verified in pristine 2.6.12rc5: "void __lockfunc _spin_lock(spinlock_t *lock)    __acquires(spinlock_t);" -> that _is_ a pointer
[10:18] <tfheen> [Chameleon] : you're welcome to help out; join #ubuntu-motu if you'd like to do that.  If you give me a bit more precise error than "running into errors", I can try to help you.
[10:18] <pitti> trulux: (I took 2.6.11 and applied the 2.6.12rc5 patch, just for double-checking)
[10:18] <[Chameleon] > specifically, I'm looking to install some BreezyBadger stuff from the backports project and they don't seem to offer much for AMD64.
[10:19] <[Chameleon] > Should I just upgrade to BreezyBadger?
[10:20] <AndyFitz> Chameleon,  short answer.  no
[10:21] <jsgotangco> AndyFitz, hey :)
[10:21] <[Chameleon] > AndyFitz: too immature/unstable at this point?
[10:21] <AndyFitz> jsgotangco, G'day mate
[10:21] <tfheen> [Chameleon] : I would recommend asking the backports people; Backports are not supported.
[10:22] <[Chameleon] > tfheen: OK.
[10:22] <AndyFitz> [Chameleon] :  yeah pretty much.  you'll have to continuously apt-get dist-upgrade -you   and manually revise the packages .. stuff will break
[10:25] <[Chameleon] > AndyFitz, tfheen: thanks
[10:28] <pitti> funny, I just dist-upgraded, now I get a fancy dialog "XSession: [OK] " on login...
[10:29] <Nafallo> pitti: X working?
[10:29] <daniels> pitti: yeah, that's gdm being broken
[10:29] <daniels> i tried to upload it on saturday night, but ended up uploading to unstable
[10:29] <daniels> let me try again now
[10:29] <pitti> Nafallo: yes, exactly as before (with broken Alt and Control)
[10:29] <pitti> 
[10:29] <daniels> s/unstable/hoary/
[10:30] <pitti> uh :-)
[10:30] <pitti> the issue is already known and fixed? Great, daniels! :-)
[10:30] <Nafallo> pitti: hmm, last time I upgraded the damn thing wouldn't start ;-)
[10:30] <Treenaks> uploading xorg to unstable would qualify as "bad" :)
[10:30] <pitti> Nafallo: oh yes, I had to remove the "generic mouse" from the config
[10:31] <pitti> Treenaks: actually, nowadays it isn't so bad any more since sarge is frozen
[10:32] <Nafallo> well, locked hoary xorg works ;-)
[10:32] <Lathiat> daniels: the keyboard stuff unbroken yet?
[10:40] <daniels> Lathiat: locally, yes
[10:40] <daniels> Lathiat: sudo ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XKeysymDB /usr/lib/X11/XKeysymDB, should get you going in the meantime
[10:43] <[Chameleon] > tfheen, AndyFitz: I'm going to "downgrade" to the i386 version... the current 64-bit deficiencies are too numerous at this time.
[10:43] <daniels> pitti: uploaded
[10:44] <pitti> great
[10:44] <fabbione> daniels: xorg crack?
[10:45] <fabbione> hmm what was the command to get all packages that builddep on foo?
[10:45] <fabbione> (today i am really slow :/)
[10:46] <pitti> daniels: nope, still no luck with above symlink
[10:46] <pitti> xset: command not found
[10:46] <pitti> grr
[10:46] <daniels> pitti: sigh, you probably also need my awesome new libX11
[10:46] <fabbione> pitti: that's because /usr/bin/X11 is empty
[10:46] <daniels> pitti: yeah, that's fixed in -21, which I'll upload later
[10:46] <daniels> fabbione: xorg crack later tonight
[10:46] <fabbione> daniels: cool
[10:47] <pitti> neat
[10:47] <fabbione> pitti: do you happen to remember what is the command to show all the packages that build-dep on foo?
[10:47] <pitti> fabbione: I wish I ever knew such a command
[10:47] <pitti> fabbione: so far I used grep-dctrl
[10:47] <fabbione> ah ok :)
[10:47] <tfheen> fabbione: grep-dctrl?
[10:47] <fabbione> yeah whatever is fine...
[10:48] <pitti> fabbione: apt-cache rbuild-depends would be logical...
[10:48] <fabbione> i just don't know grep-dctrl sintax :)
[10:48] <fabbione> pitti: yeah
[10:48] <pitti> 9955 root      15   0 70988  17m 5168 S 40.2  2.6   1:19.03 Xorg
[10:48] <pitti> daniels: any idea why X.org constantly uses 40% CPU although I do *nothing*?
[10:49] <fabbione> pitti: try to restart firefox :)
[10:49] <fabbione> or mozilla
[10:49] <fabbione> or thunderbird
[10:49] <pitti> fabbione: it's not even open
[10:49] <Treenaks> pitti: stat(); stat(); etc;
[10:50] <daniels> pitti: no idea, sorry
[10:50] <pitti> hm, ok
[10:51] <daniels> pitti: if you have another machine, you could ssh in and break on WaitForSomething with gdb and see what the events out
[10:51] <daniels> s/out/are/
[10:51] <daniels> i'm going to get dinner now, i'll be gone for a while
[10:51] <pitti> bah, system -> logout just hangs now
[10:51] <pitti> I hate you all
[10:51] <[Chameleon] > heh
[10:51] <pitti> (not literally :-) )
[10:54] <pitti> ah, better now
[11:02] <Lathiat> daniels: righton, im not running breezy for the moment anyway, once X has working xkb i'll jump back ship :)
[11:02] <jdub> daniels: around?
[11:03] <fabbione> dilinger: ping?
[11:05] <jdub> daniels: by default, i'm getting crt output like xinerama
[11:05] <jdub> daniels: but it's not 1024x768
[11:05] <jdub> it's another screen
[11:06] <jdub> can't xrandr it
[11:08] <jdub> daniels: can i make X not create the other screen, and use i855crt?
[11:09] <jdub> can i make the second screen do a sensible resolution?
[11:23] <fabbione> Kamion: is there any reason why ssh in breezy reports a "Killed by signal 1." on each command? (including sftp or scp?)
[11:26] <Amaranth> pitti: last time system->logout froze on me i had to kill gnome-panel
[11:28] <Riddell> Mark's talk should be starting soon http://stream.fluendo.com/guadec/konig/
[11:29] <jdub> Riddell: mark's talk is done :)
[11:29] <fabbione> jdub: how did it go?
[11:29] <Amaranth> finished an hour ago
[11:29] <jdub> fabbione: hrm, ok
[11:30] <Amaranth> jdub: what room is the topaz stuff going to be in?
[11:30] <fabbione> only ok?
[11:30] <jdub> Amaranth: um
[11:30] <jdub> the big room
[11:30] <Riddell> aw, did I sleep in?
[11:30] <Lathiat> stupid dodgy uni wireless is nuking the streams
[11:30] <Amaranth> Knigshalle?
[11:30] <jdub> i'm not really sure
[11:31] <Amaranth> that's the keynote room
[11:31] <jdub> my talk is at 14:00, and i need daniel to fix my X ;)
[11:31] <Burgundavia> lol
[11:32] <Nafallo> I can see seb :-)
[11:32] <jdub> i'll probably just turn it into images and use someone else's lappy
[11:32] <Amaranth> you have 2 1/2 hours :)
[11:32] <Lathiat> jdub: heh
[11:32] <Lathiat> install hoary in a chroot and run X out of it :P)
[11:34] <jdub> Lathiat: tempting
[11:36] <jsgotangco> hey its seb
[11:36] <opi> morning
[11:37] <jsgotangco> morning opi
[11:38] <Nafallo> anyone know what's in the Knig room now?
[11:38] <spacey> who is talking atm?
[11:38] <jsgotangco> gdesklets
[11:38] <Treenaks> jsgotangco: no, who is he :)
[11:39] <mx|gone> mjg59: still around?
[11:39] <spacey> hmz stream is gone
[11:39] <Nafallo> indeed
[11:39] <jsgotangco> yeah
[11:39] <mjg59> mx|gone: Hi
[11:39] <jsgotangco> it just died
[11:40] <bob2> Nafallo: lightning talks
[11:40] <bob2> currently gdesklets
[11:40] <mx|gone> mjg59: how hard would it be to upgrade pbbuttonsd in breezy from 0.6.6 to 0.6.10... 0.6.6 has some problems with kernel 2.6.12 that are solved in the newest version
[11:40] <Nafallo> bob2: ooh, isn't that supposed to be in Bertha? ;-)
[11:40] <mjg59> They didn't stream my talk :((((((((
[11:41] <bob2> mjg59: did they record it?
[11:41] <mjg59> mx|gone: Uh. It ought to be trivial
[11:41] <mjg59> mx|gone: (Not my department, though :) )
[11:41] <Nafallo> mjg59: I was irritated over that yesterday evening :-P
[11:41] <mjg59> bob2: Nope
[11:41] <mx|gone> mjg59: yeah, I figured...  I think it's thom's
[11:41] <mx|gone> mjg59: how "trivial" is it?
[11:41] <bob2> mjg59: bastards
[11:42] <mx|gone> just copying the debian directory to the new source dir and updating the changelog?
[11:42] <mjg59> mx|gone: If the newer version is in sid, it can be done automaticaly on request
[11:42] <Robot101> mjg59: I would've watched it if it was streamed :(
[11:42] <mjg59> (IIRC)
[11:42] <Robot101> the streams are a bit crap today tbh
[11:42] <mx|gone> mjg59: nope, it's not... they still have 0.6.6
[11:42] <Robot101> they're crackly and sometimes fail to work
[11:42] <mjg59> The network is shit today
[11:42] <Robot101> they worked fine yesterday
[11:43] <spacey> are they talking english or german ?:P
[11:43] <Nafallo> Robot101: no, they where crappy yesterday to.
[11:43] <Robot101> aha, one of these "click around the website" talks :D
[11:43] <mjg59> Yeah, I might give up on these soon
[11:44] <Robot101> are you visible on the stream? wave! :D
[11:44] <mx|gone> mjg59: also, was it you that was working on networkmanager for ubuntu?
[11:45] <tfheen> mx|gone: no, that's thom
[11:45] <mjg59> mx|gone: I worked on the spec, but thom is supposed to be implementing it
[11:45] <mjg59> Robot101: I'm at the front on the left
[11:45] <mjg59> I just stretched
[11:46] <Robot101> ... I've been working on it for 3 years ... its still early days ... 
[11:46] <mjg59> OOH XGL
[11:46] <bob2> blingtastic.
[11:46] <mjg59> Indirect rendering
[11:47] <mjg59> BLING
[11:47] <bob2> is that seb about to talk?
[11:47] <Robot101> its buffering now, bah
[11:47] <Robot101> composting manager
[11:47] <mjg59> It's fast
[11:47] <mx|gone> mjg59: pbbuttonsd 0.6.10 is in experimental :)
[11:48] <Treenaks> bb2: Roboot101?
[11:48] <Robot101> this stream is ghetto
[11:48] <Treenaks> bob2: composting manager?
[11:48] <jsgotangco> WOW
[11:49] <bob2> wow
[11:49] <bob2> blingarific
[11:49] <jsgotangco> did you see that
[11:49] <Robot101> BLING
[11:49] <Kamion> fabbione: I've been wondering about that. It's not all commands, but some.
[11:49] <Burgundavia> bling?
[11:49] <fabbione> Kamion: ok..
[11:49] <jsgotangco> that is so cool
[11:49] <Robot101> http://stream.fluendo.com/guadec/konig/audiovideo/java.php
[11:49] <Kamion> fabbione: version in Debian experimental does it too
[11:50] <mjg59> Oh god
[11:50] <jsgotangco> jeezz did you see the corners
[11:50] <mjg59> I am so glad that Mark isn't here watching this
[11:50] <Robot101> mjg59: rofl
[11:50] <jsgotangco> goodness
[11:50] <bob2> daniels: can we do that for breezy?
[11:50] <fabbione> Kamion: it's strange, but the command succeed..
[11:50] <fabbione> Kamion: probably it's something wrong in the exit code?
[11:50] <Kamion> well, signal 1 is only SIGHUP
[11:50] <Kamion> my guess is it's a race condition ...
[11:51] <mjg59> evince now
[11:51] <Robot101> glbling
[11:51] <jsgotangco> that was awesome
[11:51] <Robot101> another inaudible question from the far back left
[11:51] <Robot101> this stream sounds like a steam train... tff tfff tfff tff
[11:53] <fabbione> Kamion: take care
[11:57] <jsgotangco> thats funny he's not presenting in full screen mode
[11:57] <jsgotangco> ahh
[11:58] <Burgundavia> can someone repost taht link?
[11:59] <jsgotangco> http://stream.fluendo.com:8900
[11:59] <jsgotangco> (totem)
[11:59] <Burgundavia> bah
[11:59] <Robot101> oh oh oh, someone ask him why in the windows port of gaim, the tooltips NEVER EVER GO AWAY
[12:07] <mx|gone> jsgotangco: are these the 5 minute speeches?
[12:08] <Robot101> lightning talks, yeah
[12:08] <jsgotangco> lightning talks most likely
[12:08] <mvirkkil> So how do I get x working again in breezy? :-/
[12:08] <mx|gone> they need to speak up
[12:08] <jsgotangco> i wanna see jdub
[12:08] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:09] <Nafallo> mvirkkil: I've downgraded all packages to hoary and locked the version ;-)
[12:09] <mvirkkil> Nafallo: That's no fun ;) 
[12:10] <Nafallo> mvirkkil: but it starts ;-)
[12:10] <Nafallo> can't play with blam and stuff though :-P
[12:11] <mvirkkil> Nafallo: Any eta when X will be fixed?
[12:12] <Nafallo> mvirkkil: ask daniels ;-)
[12:12] <mx|gone> man, they need to freaking talk into the mic
[12:13] <jsgotangco> wow he just heard you
[12:13] <Nafallo> mx|gone: if it wasn't high in the air it would be easier ;-)
[12:13] <mx|gone> is that john palmeri?
[12:16] <ogra> yep
[12:16] <mx|gone> cool
[12:16] <mx|gone> I'm guessing murray already went
[12:16] <ogra> which murray ?
[12:16] <mx|gone> cumming
[12:16] <ogra> he was here 1/2h ago...
[12:16] <mx|gone> ah
[12:17] <Kamion> sheesh, there's an openssh 4.1 release already. I only just packaged 4.0
[12:18] <fabbione> happy birthday ssh :)
[12:22] <ogra> heh
[12:27] <jsgotangco> brb
[12:55] <mkde> awesome
[12:55] <mkde> free streaming music
[12:55] <Nafallo> lol
[12:55] <mkde> top stuff
[12:56] <mkde> hmm
[12:56] <mkde> manu chao should steer clear of english i always feel
[01:01] <pitti> doko: btw, how far is the C++ transition? I'm asking because of psql
[01:01] <pitti> carlos: here?
[01:01] <carlos> pitti, hi
[01:02] <doko> it's done for main
[01:04] <pitti> doko: cool
[01:04] <pitti> doko: so it shouldn't interfere too much any more?
[01:05] <doko> I don't think so
[01:05] <Nafallo> yay. looks like jdub got it working :-)
[01:08] <mkde> whats he speaking about?
[01:09] <Nafallo> mdke: nothing yet. topaz 14:00
[01:09] <mkde> local time?
[01:09] <Nafallo> mkde: AFAIK yes.
[01:12] <Amaranth> in 45 minutes
[01:12] <mkde> ty
[01:12] <Amaranth> C++ transition is done in main already?
[01:12] <Amaranth> wow
[01:12] <Nafallo> lots of time to make popcorn :-)
[01:13] <mkde> Nafallo, 45 more minutes of music
[01:13] <Amaranth> frozen pizza with taco cheese on top for me :)
[01:13] <Nafallo> mkde: hehe, yea :-)
[01:13] <mkde> Amaranth, hope you have strong teeth
[01:13] <Nafallo> lol
[01:13] <Amaranth> mkde: have you been putting the stream in a little window in the corner of your screen while you code too?
[01:14] <mkde> *grins*
[01:14] <mkde> i'm "writing an exam" while listening
[01:14] <mkde> not getting much done tho
[01:14] <Amaranth> gets in the way of some of my firefox and gedit tabs
[01:14] <Amaranth> hehe
[01:14] <mkde> i can't code sadly
[01:29] <pitti> jordi: will you upgrade experimental to alsa-lib 1.0.9 soon?
[01:38] <Nafallo> mdke: ey! did the music stop?
[01:39] <Nafallo> :-(
[01:39] <mdke> Nafallo, we better get our own Manu Chao
[01:39] <Nafallo> mdke: URL? ;-)
[01:39] <mdke> erm
[01:39] <mdke> play.com ?
[01:39] <mdke> amazon?
[01:40] <Nafallo> mdke: that's no good streams ;-)
[01:40] <mdke> Nafallo, i don't have enough upload bw to stream i'm afraid
[01:40] <mdke> 128 ;)
[01:41] <Nafallo> mdke: yay. you got actually 4 times less than me :-P
[01:41] <Nafallo> hmm, 3 and  even
[01:41] <mdke> :/
[01:52] <tseng> volunteers to test mono build on ppc?
[01:55] <pitti> tseng: we can try it in the DC
[01:56] <tseng> pitti: ok, i will make you a source package
[01:56] <pitti> tseng: however, if there are any build deps missing, we have to wait until tomorrown, when thom and elmo are back
[01:56] <pitti> tseng: (today is UK holiday)
[01:56] <tseng> pitti: the build-deps are ok, i need to test a patch
[01:56] <tseng> to fix FTBFS
[01:56] <pitti> tseng: no, I mean if the build deps are not installed in the breezy dchroot
[01:57] <tseng> oh.
[01:58] <pitti> tseng: oh, the only thing that is missing is cli-common
[01:58] <pitti> elmo, thom: can we please have cli-common in davis' breezy dchroot?
[01:59] <pitti> tseng: if that is done, we are ready to go
[02:00] <tseng> thanks pitti!
[02:00] <pitti> tseng: how important is cli-common? I can just throw it against the wall and see which packages are building without it
[02:01] <tseng> hm we can remove the dh_*cli* calls and build dep for purposes of testing
[02:01] <pitti> tseng: if you give me a source package I shall test, that's fine
[02:01] <tseng> oh and ${cli:Depends} from control
[02:01] <tseng> k 5 minutes
[02:02] <pitti> no hurry :)
[02:12] <bob2> hey ogra, how's guadec?
[02:12] <Treenaks> ogra? where?
[02:13] <ogra> ohra waves back
[02:13] <ogra> oops
[02:13] <ogra> watch the stream !!
[02:13] <Treenaks> ohra is an insurance company in .nl
[02:13] <ogra> jdub announces gnome 3.0
[02:13] <Treenaks> ogra: which stream?
[02:13] <Simira> :D
[02:13] <tfheen> ogra: where are the debs?
[02:13] <tseng> ogra: bong?
[02:13] <tfheen> :)
[02:13] <Treenaks> ogra: knig?
[02:13] <tseng> what room
[02:14] <ogra> main...
[02:14] <ogra> koenigshalle
[02:14] <ogra> tseng !!!
[02:14] <tseng> pitti: can you get the orig.tar.gz?
[02:14] <ogra> i just talked to miguel !!
[02:14] <tseng> pitti: is uploading slowly
[02:14] <pitti> tseng: I currently have the breezy version
[02:14] <ogra> he really likes you
[02:14] <Treenaks> ogra: and? :)
[02:14] <tseng> ogra: yes?
[02:14] <pitti> tseng: I only need diff.gz and dsc
[02:14] <tseng> hah.
[02:14] <tseng> pitti: http://tseng.ath.cx/mono/ppctest/
[02:14] <ogra> and ordered ubuntu t-shirts for the whole of ximian :-D
[02:15] <tseng> oh man
[02:15] <ogra> yeah !!
[02:15] <tseng> we  have tshirts?
[02:15] <ogra> yep
[02:15] <tseng> wheres that
[02:15] <ogra> but mark had only one left
[02:15] <tseng> oh oh through mark
[02:15] <ogra> hehe :)
[02:15] <mkde> we need to start selling ubuntu tshirts
[02:15] <tseng> mark is talking today, yes?
[02:15] <mkde> Simira had an idea for it
[02:15] <ogra> yep
[02:15] <tseng> :)
[02:16] <Treenaks> heh... NOT mentioning ubuntu ;)
[02:16] <ogra> mdke, we already have hem since sydney
[02:16] <ogra> them even
[02:16] <mkde> ogra, url?
[02:16] <tfheen> mkde: Simira is working on a webshop so we'll have good-quality shirts available in Europe.
[02:16] <tseng> only the devs do ogra
[02:16] <mkde> tfheen, yeah
[02:16] <Simira> mkde: I've done some work on it. We're ordering a bunch just after we've moved (so we have a decent address)
[02:16] <mkde> Simira, awesome! :)
[02:16] <Treenaks> coolness
[02:16] <Simira> tfheen: shut up! It will take ages before I have that one online, at least if I'm going to work 50% from August...
[02:17] <ogra> GO SLASHDOTTING !!!
[02:17] <ogra> http://stream.fluendo.com:8900/
[02:17] <ogra> in totem ;)
[02:17] <Treenaks> ogra: totem in ubuntu is b0rken
[02:17] <pitti> tseng: building
[02:17] <tseng> pitti: thanks a ton
[02:17] <Treenaks> ogra: ask Amaranth 
[02:17] <ogra> Treenaks, only in breezy
[02:17] <pitti> tseng: no worries :-)
[02:17] <Treenaks> ogra: good point
[02:17] <tseng> jdub++
[02:17] <Simira> but I'll order enough t-shirts to ship to Europe as well, then... guess it can't cost that much more.
[02:17] <ogra> but who is crazy enough to use breezy
[02:18] <Treenaks> ogra: *raises hand*
[02:18] <tseng> ogra: hell im crazy.
[02:18] <bob2> Simira: did you like the ones from UDU?
[02:18] <Amaranth> still building libxine with debugging symbols
[02:18] <Amaranth> guadec will be over before i finish, at this rate
[02:18] <Simira> bob2: yup (Tollef got me one). I'm ordering something similar.
[02:18] <bob2> ah, cool
[02:18] <Treenaks> I want one! (at least)
[02:18] <Simira> *sigh*
[02:19] <Simira> seems I just got myself more voluntary work...
[02:19] <ogra> tseng, beware !
[02:19] <ogra> :)
[02:19] <Treenaks> ArseLinux?
[02:19] <Simira> well, shipping t-shirts can't be that hard
[02:19] <bob2> Simira: will they be orderable from outside europe?
[02:19] <maswan> Simira: it might be lots of work though
[02:20] <Simira> bob2: I'm sure it will be cheaper to order one from a local profile-stuff-dealer
[02:20] <bob2> Simira: hmmm, good point
[02:20] <tfheen> bob2: you should start webshop.ubuntu.co.au (or something) :-)
[02:20] <bob2> haha
[02:21] <Treenaks> "i-word" is innovation?
[02:21] <Treenaks> (bricks/mortar)
[02:22] <tfheen> what is the fish doing at the bottom of the stream?
[02:22] <Treenaks> tfheen: ogg
[02:22] <bob2> Treenaks: Papa Sideshow's T-Shirt Emporium
[02:22] <bob2> tfheen: it's the xiph logo
[02:22] <Treenaks> bob2: something like that..
[02:22] <ogra> tfheen, kind of swimmin ?
[02:22] <tfheen> it looks like a non-blown-up blowfish.
[02:22] <Simira> huh
[02:23] <Simira> ogra: not swimming, maybe, if he lies on the bottom?
[02:23] <ogra> heh
[02:23] <Simira> ;)
[02:23] <tfheen> it's static and looks slightly confused.
[02:24] <torkel> tfheen: wouldn't you be that too listening to jdub? :-)
[02:24] <Amaranth> finally he said Ubuntu :P
[02:25] <tfheen> torkel: he doesn't tend to confuse me, since I just respond by throwing crackful ideas at him.
[02:25] <mkde> gosh he is an excellent speaker
[02:25] <torkel> tfheen: :-)
[02:25] <Amaranth> mkde: that's why he's in charge ;)
[02:25] <bob2> bah, dns is fucked here
[02:26] <tseng> bob2: dude just use the ip addresses
[02:27] <bob2> I am, I'm just whinging
[02:27] <tseng> jeez jdub
[02:28] <mkde> *laughs*
[02:28] <hunger> daniels: ping
[02:28] <daniels> hunger: pong
[02:29] <daniels> bob2: can we do what for hoary?  indirect rendering?
[02:33] <Amaranth> indirect rendering? if you're talking mesa that's slow as hell
[02:37] <Unfrgiven> hi all. i need a hand setting up a breezy chroot from sid. can i use the ubuntu package from the DebootstrapChroot page on sid?
[02:38] <siretart> Unfrgiven: install the debootstrap package from breezy in your sid by hand. 
[02:38] <siretart> Unfrgiven: the usual howtos/descriptions should work again
[02:39] <Unfrgiven> siretart: when you say "by hand" you mean just a "dpkg -i" right? or manually tear apart the .deb? :)
[02:39] <bob2> Unfrgiven: you need ubuntu's debootstrap, but otherwise it works the same as making a chroot of anything else
[02:39] <siretart> Unfrgiven: yes. download the package from here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/debootstrap, select breezy, and do the dpkg -i thing :)
[02:40] <Unfrgiven> bob2: siretart: thanks :)
[02:43] <mkde> o_O
[02:48] <trulux> heya
[02:48] <pitti> Hi trulux 
[02:49] <bob2> pitti: you're not guadec'ing?
[02:49] <trulux> pitti: heya fellow, everything going well?
[02:49] <daniels> pitti: yo
[02:50] <pitti> trulux: <pitti> trulux: I verified in pristine 2.6.12rc5: "void __lockfunc _spin_lock(spinlock_t *lock)    __acquires(spinlock_t);" -> that _is_ a pointer
[02:50] <pitti> trulux: <pitti> trulux: (I took 2.6.11 and applied the 2.6.12rc5 patch, just for double-checking)
[02:50] <pitti> daniels: he
[02:51] <doko> ogra: your attachments for the C++ patches are all unusable ...
[02:51] <pitti> bob2: no, we start our advanced dancing school today, I rather go to debconf5
[02:51] <doko> @@ -1,3 +1,9 @@
[02:51] <doko> +vtk (4.2.6-5ubuntu2) breezy; urgency=low
[02:51] <doko> +
[02:51] <doko> +  * CXX transition: rename libvtk4 to libvtk4c2
[02:51] <doko> +
[02:51] <doko> + -- Oliver Grawert (ogra) <hostmaster@grawert.net>  Wed, 25 May 2005 13:03:18
[02:51] <doko> +0200
[02:51] <doko> +
[02:51] <trulux> pitti: of course, here we have a pointer too, I said on my blog: http://www.tuxedo-es.org/blog/archives/5-Some-2.6.12-rc5-API-changes-for-the-shake.html
[02:51] <doko> the timezone is on a new line
[02:52] <trulux> pitti: then I was on crack or something alike 'cos I was getting really weird shit. I will need to track back the last bk-commits made to the LSM framework 'cos the hook pointers seem fucked up
[02:52] <ogra> doko, thats what dch -i did, i didnt change it
[02:52] <ogra> i'll look into it as soon as i'm home... 
[02:53] <pitti> tseng: uh, FTBFS
[02:53] <pitti> tseng: I /msg
[02:53] <trulux> pitti: from that point everything will be much easier, and I need to contact my friend from the Singapore D. of Defense who was working on some fixes for the new subject-based capability granting features
[02:53] <tseng> pitti: k
[02:53] <trulux> pitti: any due date?
[02:53] <bob2> pitti: ah, right
[02:53] <trulux> pitti: dead timeline or whatever-else you want to call it
[02:54] <pitti> trulux: well, two weeks? porting the stuff shouldn't be so hard? what do you think?
[02:55] <trulux> pitti: it would take less than a night if it tells you something ;)
[02:55] <trulux> pitti: just that I've been preparing other SELinux crack for upstreams, and writing on my LSM 2005 presentation
[02:55] <bob2> make jdub repeat the question
[02:55] <bob2> the askwer in inaudible
[02:55] <trulux> julien: heyas, there? poc code writing today ;)
[02:55] <bob2> oh, go jdub
[02:56] <trulux> julien: going to set up my testing box for the purpose, need to contact johnw for the attack vector test framework used in his paper, or I'll need to make our own one
[02:56] <ogra> bob2, you havent seen the guy who asked... he needed the whole room to ask... walking from left to right 
[02:57] <bob2> haha
[02:57] <jordi> pitti: yes
[03:01] <trulux> pitti: just to confirm, after applying http://pearls.tuxedo-es.org/patches/vsecurity/vsec-0.3-20050526-2.6.12-rc5-fixes.patch and fixing the spinlock issues, what do you get?
[03:04] <tseng> ogra: beagle 0.0.10!
[03:04] <ogra> yay !!
[03:05] <daniels> is mono in main yet? :P
[03:05] <tseng> i dont think so
[03:05] <ogra> i suspect i'll have to wait for a fixed firefox until i can test on amd64
[03:05] <tseng> no
[03:06] <pitti> trulux: testing, takes a while (I reinstalled my system recently and need a ton of pacakges)
[03:06] <Nafallo> ogra: together with Xorg that's my issues to ;-).
[03:06] <ogra> bye, have to move on here
[03:06] <tseng> cya ogra
[03:06] <pitti> trulux: verified, I still get the spinlock errors
[03:06] <pitti> trulux: you have to change them by prepending a & to get a pointer
[03:06] <pitti> trulux: that worked fine for me
[03:07] <trulux> right, then it all compiles OK?
[03:07] <trulux> be sure to check that, or we are in a hurry then
[03:07] <pitti> trulux: didn't check, I didn't create a patch of my mods
[03:07] <trulux> OK, could you just convert the reference to the pointers in the macros and check for compilation?
[03:07] <trulux> be sure my patch is applied
[03:08] <pitti> trulux: I just checked out the cvs head
[03:08] <trulux> ok
[03:11] <pitti> trulux: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/qiAJcp44.html
[03:11] <pitti> trulux: after that it works better
[03:11] <pitti> but still fails
[03:12] <pitti> trulux: can you please try to fix the rest, using linux-headers-2.6.12-1?
[03:13] <pitti> trulux: just remove the "check" dependency of vsec, and do "make KERNEL_DIR=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-1/"
[03:13] <trulux> pitti: sure!
[03:13] <pitti> cool
[03:37] <tseng> daniels: ping?
[03:37] <daniels> is mono in main yet? :P
[03:37] <Nafallo> hehe
[03:39] <tseng> daniels: no but my configure cant find scrnsaver.h right after i tell it exactly where it is
[03:40] <tseng> daniels: im also going to force you to look at a libgdiplus cairo ftbfs one of these days :P
[03:40] <daniels> tseng: haha
[03:40] <daniels> tseng: so, um, with the xss thing, bounce me it
[03:53] <Unfrgiven> hi again... apologies for repeat from #ubuntu-motu, i didnt get a response there. i've been looking to help out with the c++ transition. i know ive left it pretty late but i havent had much time recently. anyways, here i am. now im a bit confused looking at the wiki pages... it seems like everything on UniverseCxxTransition is done? or am i reading it wrong?
[03:54] <tseng> dude i would have answered you there the same as here when I came to
[03:54] <tseng> doko, ajmitch, and ogra are the main guys on that
[03:54] <Unfrgiven> tseng: sorry mate, as i said i got no response there :/
[03:54] <tseng> doko just sent a mail out about it I think
[03:55] <tseng> i know i saw one
[03:55] <tseng> now where is it
[03:55] <tseng> oh, its in the topic here rather
[03:56] <Unfrgiven> tseng: ah i see... i was just about to say that i couldn't see anything on the -devel list.
[03:56] <tseng> sorry im banging my head against beagle to see who gives in first
[03:57] <tseng> just need to sneak it past a pbuilder now
[03:57] <Burgundavia> tseng, and think, now you have a new version to play with
[03:57] <tseng> yes
[03:57] <tseng> with no dbus
[03:58] <doko> Unfrgiven, look at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CxxLibraryList
[03:59] <Unfrgiven> doko: anything with an empty "who" column is a todo?
[03:59] <doko> Unfrgiven: yes
[04:00] <Unfrgiven> doko: ok excellent... ill get cracking on this tomorrow....
[04:00] <Unfrgiven> doko: thanks. at least now i can have a crack at it and start transitioning.
[04:01] <doko> please make an entry for each line, and submit the patch to bugzilla and have it reviewed before you upload
[04:01] <Unfrgiven> doko: yep will do. i dont have upload permissions anyway :)
[04:02] <Treenaks> tseng: did you upload 0.0.10 yet? :)
[04:03] <tseng> Treenaks: almost
[04:03] <tseng> (gosh)
[04:03] <Treenaks> \o/
[04:03] <Burgundavia> Treenaks, you get the award for the first person to ask him if it was uploaded
[04:03] <Treenaks> Burgundavia: \o/
[04:03] <tseng> it came out about 20 minutes ago
[04:04] <Treenaks> tseng: crack-of-the-hour :)
[04:04] <tseng> 2 hours, im sorry
[04:04] <tseng> 08:04 -|- trow changed the topic of #dashboard to: www.gnome.org/projects/beagle | New 
[04:04] <tseng>           Beagle Wiki is up | Beagle 0.0.10 has been released!
[04:04] <tseng> its now 10:04
[04:05] <Treenaks> "Angry Aardvark" anyone? :)
[04:05] <tseng> it needs to pbuilder yet
[04:05] <Burgundavia> nah, Gibbering Gibbon
[04:05] <Burgundavia> cause those are noises you are going to make when it total fails
[04:06] <Burgundavia> s/total/totally
[04:07] <Treenaks> s/totally/horribly/
[04:08] <Burgundavia> then we will need a channel for them #ubuntu-you-are-on-total-crack
[04:08] <Treenaks> #ubuntu-crackheads
[04:08] <Treenaks> shorter, easier to remember
[04:08] <Burgundavia> and freenode senses that they are running GG, it redirects them to that
[04:08] <Burgundavia> from #ubuntu
[04:08] <bob2> #ubuntu-break-my-gentoo^w-brittle-hold-on-sanity
[04:08] <tseng> dude freenode /versions me on connect now
[04:09] <Burgundavia> does everybody
[04:09] <tseng> bob2: gar someone posted my warty mono repo on a wiki page titled "break my ubuntu"
[04:09] <tseng> bob2: i was pissed.
[04:09] <bob2> tseng: haha
[04:09] <bob2> yeah
[04:09] <bob2> I tried to have a talk with those people a while ago
[04:09] <tseng> we are having a meeting on wed. with the backports crew
[04:09] <tseng> i spoke with them a few days ago
[04:10] <Treenaks> tseng: do they understand versioning yet?
[04:10] <tseng> Treenaks: no but they understand why they shouldnt muck around with something the size of mono
[04:10] <tseng> its a start
[04:11] <Treenaks> and when will ubuntuguide be fixed, so it'll be less crappy?
[04:11] <Burgundavia> Treenaks, we are working with the author
[04:11] <Burgundavia> Treenaks, it is not an easy process
[04:11] <Treenaks> I get people who follow ubuntuguide in #ubuntu-nl all the time.. and they keep complaining about broken systems
[04:11] <bob2> Treenaks: synaptic_0.56+revertedto+officialhoary+0.55+cvs20050406-1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb
[04:11] <KaiL> ...wonderful version number ;)
[04:11] <tseng> the ~ is my personal favorite
[04:12] <tfheen> bob2: it should grow a +crackcrackcrack in there too
[04:12] <Burgundavia> tseng, they explain that on their faq
[04:12] <Burgundavia> to allow "easy" upgrading
[04:12] <tseng> i understand it
[04:12] <tseng> i just find it silly
[04:12] <bob2> it's an improvement on the warty backports
[04:12] <bob2> which just upped the version number
[04:12] <bob2> and fucked over people who went to hoary
[04:13] <Burgundavia> I suppose getting stabbed in the gut is better than being stabbed in the gut AND both your eyes
[04:13] <tseng> i like my eyes
[04:19] <tseng> hm libgnomeui dllmap needed
[04:23] <pitti> daniels: still here?
[04:29] <Burgundavia> cya ll
[04:31] <Unfrgiven> good night all....
[04:51] <mvirkkil>  Is there any quick and easy way to get X working in breezy?
[04:51] <mvirkkil> I mean the command line rules, but so does a 1600x1200 desktop ;)
[04:54] <hunger> mvirkkil: That is a question for #ubuntu I think.
[04:54] <mvirkkil> hunger: Ok. 
[04:54] <hunger> mvirkkil: ubuntu did setup X automatically for me though.
[04:55] <hunger> mvirkkil: 1600x1200 (with free ATI drivers).
[04:55] <mvirkkil> hunger: Are you using an up to date breezy?
[04:55] <hunger> mvirkkil: Yes.
[04:55] <mvirkkil> hunger: Would you care to dcc me you xorg.conf (I
[04:55] <hunger> mvirkkil: breezy has broken X at the moment though (not all keys work)
[04:56] <mvirkkil> hunger: I had that. Then I rebooted and X would no longer start. Complains about the fixed-font not being found 
[05:05] <ozamosi> mvirkkil, sounds like this would help you: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=183034&postcount=31
[05:06] <mvirkkil> ozamosi: hunger helped me. It was just replacing the /usr/lib/X11 with /usr/share/X11 in the fontpaths
[05:16] <fabbione> chmj: looks ok to me, but please mail kernel-team so that we can do open discussion
[05:16] <fabbione> ops
[05:16] <froud> mdz: breezy release schedule, when do you think you will have a list of the gui apps that will go into breezy?
[05:18] <tseng> froud: you can start with the list thats in hoary
[05:18] <froud> +?
[05:18] <tseng> huh?
[05:18] <froud> yes hoary +?
[05:19] <tseng> gnome-app-install, some mono stuff
[05:19] <tseng> nothing is really concrete at this point, i hope you arent publishing something
[05:19] <froud> I am mostly instersted in the stock install
[05:19] <froud> no planning
[05:20] <froud> tseng: just trying to plan
[05:20] <froud> Ubuntu User Guide and Quick Guide
[05:21] <froud> need to consider how much addition work
[05:21] <tseng> nothing major in -desktop
[05:21] <froud> if not much we can include other work
[05:21] <froud> in our schedule
[05:21] <tseng> gnome-app-install seems to be added
[05:22] <froud> is there a GNOME desktop update planned upstream during now and sept
[05:22] <tseng> yes of course
[05:23] <bob2> froud: ubuntu releases one month after the new gnome release
[05:23] <bob2> it's not a coincidence ;p
[05:23] <tseng> /usr/bin/ld: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXss.a(XScrnSaver.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
[05:23] <froud> OK, got it. Thanks
[05:23] <tseng> /usr/X11R6/lib/libXss.a: could not read symbols: Bad value
[05:23] <tseng> uh oh ogra
[05:23] <tseng> ill make him fix this later :P
[05:24] <tseng> unless its daniels fault
[05:24] <Amaranth> have any of you tried to use gnome-app-install lately? :)
[05:25] <tseng> it seems to be less-than-working
[05:25] <Amaranth> yeah, i just saw that too
[05:25] <Amaranth> it's because of the new python-xdg
[05:25] <Amaranth> the way to set the locale and WM changed
[05:25] <wasabi> Fixed my DMA problems... it is sort of a Ubuntu problem, not hardware.
[05:26] <Amaranth> we're about to release pyxdg 0.12, i'll look at gnome-app-install afterward
[05:28] <eruin> wasabi, like not loading the correct modules at the right time?
[05:30] <GheRivero> res people
[05:39] <fabbione> daniels: you around=?
[05:42] <bob2> 'tis 0140
[05:45] <fabbione> tsk
[05:45] <fabbione> :)
[05:46] <bob2> hah
[05:46] <bob2> just because you don't sleep... :)
[05:46] <fabbione> clearly :)
[06:01] <mdke> does anyone know what is causing this problem, which a few people seem to be getting recently. Apparently it comes and then goes away on its own:
[06:01] <mdke> W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[06:01] <Treenaks> mirror sync in progress maybe?
[06:02] <mdke> hmm
[06:44] <SEBest> hello anyone know how to convert an inode number in his fullpath?
[07:07] <namtrac> daniels: any ETA on next X.org upload?
[10:28] <\sh> anyone knows, if elmo moved python-qt3 to universe already?
[11:16] <mdz> \sh: apt-cache should answer that
[11:17] <mdz> \sh: it's currently in main
[11:19] <\sh> mdz: saw it already
[11:37] <mdke> mdz, got 30 secs?
[11:51] <mdke> i don't recommend the first 12 or 13 minutes
[11:51] <Nafallo> mdke: ehm. the one with Mark Shuttleworth is filmed in the wrong room :-/
[11:52] <mdke> no way
[11:52] <mdke> i've waited 13 minutes to find that out?
[11:52] <mdke> dammit
[11:52] <Nafallo> I've downloaded the whole thing ;-P
[11:52] <mdke> damn thats a bummer
[11:53] <Nafallo> I'm glad I looked at it this morning ;-)
[11:53] <mdke> any other recordings of it?
[11:54] <Nafallo> not that I'm aware of.