=== |zzzzz [~opera@ppp2B95.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tshark7 [~timmir@24-117-124-197.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blahrus [rkhxcc@12-223-50-121.client.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:04] pitti: heya fellow [12:05] trulux: you broke my box. twice. :-/ [12:05] pitti: lots of things to talk about :) [12:05] pitti: what? [12:05] trulux: more detailled, PAM [12:05] pitti: PAM from pearls repo??? [12:05] trulux: if I install your PAM packages, I get "sudo: pam_authenticate: Module is unknown" if I try to sudo [12:05] that's ajmitch's package [12:05] trulux: yes, from your repo [12:05] trulux: if I downgrade to breezy's PAM again, everything works [12:06] pitti: my old pam packages are 0.78 and located at ./ubuntu.wip/ [12:07] trulux: ok, then I blame ajmitch [12:07] ajmitch's are in the apt-get'able repo, so, I have no competency over them [12:07] pitti: just don't blame, ask him for it [12:07] of course :-) [12:07] blaming is bad, I've learnt that lately.. Just give a **** to it if something goes wrong ;) [12:08] pitti: now I need a bit of help from you, on the 2.6.12 sources thing [12:08] pitti: it's still building and I left it doing so before I went to the cinema [12:08] that was around 21:00 [12:09] looks like a loop [12:09] or cross compilation [12:09] either it's the first or the latter, i DON'T CARE, IT JUST SUCKS [12:09] -ECAPS [12:09] trulux: why you need to compile the kernel? [12:10] 'cos I'm on hoary and the headers are not a real package but an hybrid of the sources, or it just looks like that [12:10] trulux: you should consider that the source package builds many different flavors, that's what might appear as a loop [12:10] trulux: no, the linux-headers package is a real deb [12:10] could you send me a sanitized tarball of the direct kernel-headers directory in your /usr/src? [12:10] trulux: just install it and you get the headers and Makefiles in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-1 [12:11] right, but it builds out of such thing [12:11] OK [12:11] will grab the flippin package [12:11] today I had migrains again [12:11] so, don't expect me to be less hard headed today ;) [12:11] on the other hand, how's going the gcc-3.4 packages with SSP enabled? [12:12] are they already available? [12:13] pitti: btw, how was your weekend? [12:14] trulux: was pretty fine, thanks. Enjoyed the sun, beach, and some BBQ :-) [12:14] trulux: I don't work on SSP pacakges [12:14] pitti: better than mine then [12:14] pitti: well, it was decided in the meeting to enable it in the now deprecated gcc-3.4 ones [12:15] yes, but I don't have time for that [12:15] pitti: it's just doing -# [12:15] de-comment the lines [12:15] buildd it [12:15] ;) [12:16] omg! I had 8 dhclient3s running. === Nafallo grabs bugzilla * === kent [~kent@c-92c971d5.432-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:23] pitti: when you derootified dhcp3, did you think of /var/run/dhclient.$if.pid? [12:24] Nafallo: hm, I think so??? [12:25] pitti: I get permission denied on creating those files. === quitte [~quitte@p54A0BAD4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:25] hm, very odd, it starts as root... [12:25] Nafallo: please file a bug, I'm too tired for today [12:26] pitti: I think it's related to #10803 === xuzo [~xuzo@81-203-41-93.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] Nafallo: right, thanks for reassigning [12:38] pitti: np :-). === stuNNed [~implosion@stunned.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [~aks@CPE0050ba556e4b-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:42] Urgh. Anybody know what channel sabdfl is on? I want to ask him if I may /msg a question === LinuxJones [~willy@blk-222-221-81.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:43] JStrike: how about /msg him _this_ question? :-) [12:44] are you sure Mark's the right target for your question? === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:44] Then I am still /msg'ing him uninvitedly [12:44] Kamion : yep [12:44] Some advice really [12:44] you might also find mail a better bet [12:45] if you want to find out what channel someone is on, you can do a /whois on them [12:45] I didn't want to send him an email. He probably gets a ton as is, but it seems I might have to [12:45] mdke : Thanks [12:45] pitti: sorry of the delay, needed to get the meds for migrains, could you gimme the url of the headers .deb please? [12:46] mdke : Doesn't work [12:46] JStrike, eh? [12:46] check your Freenode window [12:46] trulux: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/linux-source-2.6.12/linux-headers-2.6.12-1_2.6.11.93-1.1_i386.deb [12:47] pitti: OK, many thanks, you rock [12:47] anyone with migrains here? [12:47] JStrike: he may not *be* in any channels right now. He's not in the private Canonical channel where he usually sits when he's actually paying attention to IRC. [12:47] np ;) [12:47] mdke : That might be the problem. Using gaim. It did pop up a list with info though, but didn't say what channel he is on [12:47] JStrike, he's not on any [12:47] trulux, computer screens are bad for migrains ;) [12:48] mdke : Weird. /msg NickServe info said he was [12:48] JStrike: some channels are secret and don't show up on /whois. [12:48] mdke: mine is a TFT, I'm safe of the sync-of-the-death [12:49] Kamion : Oh. Well if he doesn't want to be disturbed, I can wait [12:49] mdke: though I have good conditions to stand up even with the pain of 40C of fever (well, I can imagine Madonna's tits in my screen, indeed) [12:49] JStrike, that will tell you whether a person is online or not, it won't tell you what channels a person is in [12:50] trulux, you have a 40 fever? [12:50] JStrike: busy people often work better with e-mail; they can deal with it in batch mode when they have time, rather than syncing up to somebody else's schedule [12:51] mdke: not yet [12:51] trulux, take it easy :) [12:51] mdke: yeah, chill out around, my good arm chair in fron of the devel box and the wireless keyboard and mouse. it's good :) [12:56] mdke : Thanks. Will do === julien [julien@feng.planet-work.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] ok... [12:58] hey julien [12:58] hello [12:58] pitti: julien is a fellow with a very good background, skillful and willing to work together with me and you. I prefer to let him introduce himself [12:58] pitti: he's the man we need, someone who can do real work and not bitch around [12:58] Hi julien, nice to get to know you [12:59] thanks trulux [12:59] Hi pitti, same here [12:59] julien: my pleasure, It was great when I heard you were interested, and even more now that we may meet personally in France this summer [12:59] I have dicovered Ubuntu only a few weeks ago and I like the spirit [01:01] pitti: julien is maybe one of the bests when talking on how NX and W^X principles work [01:01] pitti: anyways, you'll know in the forthxoming weeks for sure [01:01] yeah, thanks for the intro [01:02] julien: would be great to see you rocking here :-) [01:02] anyway, guys, I need some sleep [01:02] good night, see you tomorrow morning [01:02] ... actually _today_ morning :-) [01:37] is fl-cow synced from sid to breezy at this point ? [01:38] lifeless: the ubuntu-changes [01:38] lifeless: see ubuntu-changes [01:38] doko_: ? [01:38] is that a list? a webpage? a person ? === womble [~mpalmer@220-245-224-46-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/ [01:39] mailing list [01:39] synced yesterday [01:39] cool [01:39] thanks [01:39] one new subscriber ... [01:40] ? [01:40] no more sync questions ;-) [01:46] [01:47] did foo sync? :) [01:47] lifeless: what was that? [01:47] my wireless shitting itself [01:47] :[ [01:47] nice [01:47] 0x7F === Amaranth tries to remember if that's something important [01:48] doko_: probably wont subscribe .. I wouldn't have any need to read it for 99 days out of a hundred [01:48] doko_: so the question is .. will I remember it next time ;) === rtcm [~jman@217.129.142.72] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:48] lifeless: It'll also flood you out. [01:49] lifeless: I subscribed right when the mom got turned back on. [01:49] If I didn't delete mail every 5 minutes my mailbox would explode. [01:49] Amaranth: that's when gmail is useful [01:49] i left it overnight and came back to like 600 emails [01:49] ajmitch: this was gmail [01:49] heh :) [01:50] i hadn't setup a label and filter yet [01:50] after that i didn't bother [01:51] if only there was a web page you could put a package name in and get the status of it in each distro [01:51] there is...i forgot what it is called right now [01:51] 'package' 'ubuntu/breezy' 'ubuntu/hoary' 'debian/sid' 'debian/sarge' 'redhat' [01:51] bleah redhat [01:52] lifeless: Do you know how many distros there are? [01:52] fl-cow 1.4-2 N/A 1.4-3 N/A 1.4-2 [01:52] Amaranth: yes === ajmitch could probably do something like that in a few minutes [01:52] Amaranth: by all I mean 'the ones soyuz is tracking' [01:52] how can sid have a newer version? [01:52] Amaranth: unmerged changes for ubuntu [01:52] ah [01:52] Amaranth: that would indicate something pending sync, or failing to sync === ajmitch will bbl === xuzo [~xuzo@81-203-41-93.user.ono.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Abandonando"] === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mxpxpod [~bryan@ip68-13-161-116.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stuNNed [~implosion@stunned.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.95.241.30] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:40] mako: *poke* [03:43] mornin' === pizzathief [~Ilikepizz@adsl-130-26.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jnc [shadow@2001:470:1f01:261:0:0:0:3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:01] hi jsgotangco === HrdwrBoB [~matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === whiprush [~jorge@arslinux.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:10] hey ajmitch how was your weekend [04:12] fairly quiet, how about you? === OddAbe19 [~OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+o daniels] by ChanServ [04:14] not bad although the rainy season is about to start here === mode/#ubuntu-devel [-b *!*shermann@server3.servereyes.de] by daniels === mode/#ubuntu-devel [-o daniels] by daniels === doko_ [~doko___@dsl-082-082-194-086.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === schweeb [~chris@216.139.8.4] has joined #ubuntu-devel === schweeb__ [~chris@216.139.8.3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:37] elmo: if I upload xorg 6.8.2-10hoary1 to hoary-updates (hypothetically), two questions: one, do I need the .orig as well; two, I set the upload target to hoary-updates, right? === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [~stub@203-217-37-199.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === schweeb [~chris@216.139.8.4] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:18] morning === HrdwrBoB [~matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [~anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JStrike [~joel@c2-283-1.eno.dial.mweb.co.za] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Xoff [~mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ahuman01 [~ahuman01@141.152.253.158] has joined #ubuntu-devel === g14 [~g14@c-67-171-59-176.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.95.215.137] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@218.111.42.57] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === g14 [~g14@c-67-171-59-176.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:05] Morning === [Chameleon] [~Paul@000f660c9c52.click-network.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:11] pitti: morning [08:11] Hi mdz [08:11] <[Chameleon] > what is the proper etiquite for editing items in the bounties list? I'd like to add a suggestion/comment to on eof the listed items. [08:11] <[Chameleon] > s/on eof/one of [08:13] [Chameleon] : email JaneW === sabdfl [~mark@145.253.154.226] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:14] <[Chameleon] > mdz: I shall. Thank you. [08:14] mdz: ping [08:14] Hi sabdfl [08:14] hey guys [08:14] sabdfl: pong [08:15] getting ready to MAKE THE PITCH at Guadec === Amaranth is ready to watch [08:15] mdz: quick thought re LaunchpadIntegration before it slips from my addled brain [08:15] again [08:15] sabdfl morning === mdz braces himself for a requirements change ;-) [08:15] went to bed really early so i could wake up at 1am my time to watch it [08:15] hey pitti [08:15] hey mdz [08:15] would it be possible for the URL to include locale information? [08:15] fabbione: morning [08:15] hey fabbione! [08:15] sabdfl: yeah, should be easy enough [08:15] sabdfl: good luck with your talk! [08:15] what's cooking in clusterland? [08:16] mdz: rock [08:16] sabdfl: biarch support for ppc64, package splitting, evaluation of impact in main (since we will need part of it in main) [08:16] can i take that off my list of things to convey then? could you add it to sebs list or the spec? [08:16] fabbione: awesome [08:16] impact as in asteroid-rating? [08:17] sabdfl: if i will manage we will get the first init scripts too [08:17] sabdfl: no, the worst case is one or two packages to rebuild for a soname change [08:17] ok, cool [08:17] sabdfl: but i still want to be 200% sure that it will work as it should :) [08:17] i am an italian paranoid.. and you know that :) [08:18] parandroid [08:18] ahha [08:18] sabdfl: yeah, I'll transfer it === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:19] hello sabdfl, mdz & others :) [08:19] mdz: thanksvery much [08:19] sabdfl: which pitch is this one? [08:19] that means we can take the guys straight to a page to translate their app into their language [08:19] hello [08:19] AND we can display the instructions on that page in their language too :-) [08:20] mdz: Guadec keynote [08:21] will talk about collaboration as a primary objective of the desktop, as well as collaboration on the development side [08:21] along the way singing the praises of baz, rosetta and malone === funkmeister [~pd@eth779.vic.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:21] sabdfl: in three-part harmony? [08:21] four with ubuntu [08:21] i've hacked up a nice little demo of translation sharing in real time between ubuntu and upstream on a local rosetta branch === schweeb__ [~chris@216.139.8.3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:23] so i'm expecting the inevitable demo effect: 500 Application Error [08:23] time to run === sabdfl [~mark@145.253.154.226] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [08:23] break a leg [08:23] break a leg indeed [08:24] hopefully the stream will be watchable from here [08:24] is anyone here in the audience at guadec? [08:25] I think ogra & seb were yesterday, if they're around [08:26] thats awesome [08:27] Hey ajmitch [08:27] hi pitti [08:27] how are you? [08:27] ajmitch: I downloaded the selinux-enabled packages from trulux' archive, but the PAM there broke my box [08:27] pitti: that's no surprise :) [08:27] ajmitch: fine and I enjoyed the summer during the weekend, thanks :-) and you? [08:28] ajmitch: erm, if these packages are supposed to wander into main, they *must not* break my or anyone elses's box :-) [08:28] there should be a note that they're not really ready - 0.78 has changed syntax, so anything putting files in /etc/pam.d using @include needs changed iff we're to use it [08:28] ajmitch: specifically, I can't sudo any more: "sudo: pam_authenticate: Module is unknown" [08:28] ajmitch: uh, that sounds a bit scary [08:28] interesting, I wonder what happened to that module :) [08:29] pitti: @include was a debian hack, I think, upstream had different ideas [08:29] ajmitch: is there a safe upgrade path that can be implemented quickly? [08:29] ajmitch: if not, I'd prefer applying the selinux extensions to the 0.76 version in breezy, if that's possible [08:29] yes, backporting the patch to 0.76 [08:29] manoj is working on 0.79 for debian [08:29] which may or may not be ready in time [08:30] ajmitch: if it's questionable, then I'd feel better with the proven 0.76 version. would porting the selinux stuff be much effor? [08:30] effort, even [08:30] no, I don't think so [08:30] it consists of changes to one module, and a new pam module === JaneW [~JaneW@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:32] hi JaneW [08:32] morning ajmitch [08:32] aloha, JaneW [08:33] hi bob2 *wave* [08:33] hello [08:33] Morning JaneW [08:33] pitti: not sure where sudo got that pam_authenticate from [08:33] since it doesn't exist in 0.76 either - I think it may have been a config change by me [08:34] ajmitch: me neither, but after that my box was basically screwed and it wasn't obvious how to fix that === ajmitch checks up [08:34] sorry about that :) [08:34] ajmitch: I didn't think about the selinux packages at first, so I thought it was a dist-upgrade breakage === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.95.212.122] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:34] ajmitch: no worries, better I find out that 10.000 users :-) [08:36] <\sh> morning [08:36] morning \sh [08:36] pitti: I think >100 angry developers would have found out before then :) === pitti -> breakfast, cu later [08:38] ok === Seveas [~seveas@dyn127.roaming.few.vu.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jnc [shadow@2001:470:1f01:261:0:0:0:3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:51] pitti: good, looks like selinux support is going into pam upstream (judging by changelog in cvs) [08:51] ooh nice [08:51] 0.76 is from 2002 === whiprush [~jorge@arslinux.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:57] ajmitch: it will be in 0.79? [08:58] pitti: 0.79 was released in march, it will be in 0.80 === Tsingi [~tsingi@ppp-216-106-110-168.storm.ca] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:00] it looks like pam_selinux was committed to cvs just 2 weeks ago === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb@host-213-179.conf.guadec.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax8-244.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nafallo says good morning to all! === tfheen [~tfheen@dhcp-105-185.idi.ntnu.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xuzo [~xuzo@81-203-41-93.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seltzer06 [Seltzer06@69-165-72-156.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seltzer06 [Seltzer06@69-165-72-156.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:39] ajmitch: yup, great [09:39] pitti: will try to port it, I think I did in the past though I missed the patch in my archives [09:43] Morning trulux [09:43] trulux: any success with vsecurity? or any problem you need help with? [09:43] pitti: heyas fellow [09:44] pitti: partially, I was horrified with the huge amount of API related errors, I can't imagine why that's so hard broken. with vanilla rc5 it just works out of the box [09:45] pitti: after fixing the spinlock's pointer issues, I get the vsecurity_ops (the sec_ops struct of LSM) to cause another huge amount of issues [09:45] pitti: I dunno really what's in Ubuntu sources that breaks it that hard === pitti neither :-( [09:47] ???? [09:48] trulux, pitti: mind to explain? === alam [~a_alam@202.41.228.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martink [~martin@host-213-229.conf.guadec.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:51] fabbione: trulux said that the ABI of the 2.6.12rc5 pristine is significantly different from our's (e. g. spinlock functions) === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:52] Hi carlos [09:52] pitti, morning [09:52] pitti: will check later [09:52] bbl, class === alam [~a_alam@202.41.228.162] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [09:54] pitti: i find that hard to believe, but we imported a big fat acpi patch that might have these bits... [09:54] pitti: but checking is not difficult... just grep in debian/patches === pitti does [09:55] acpi is the only patch that comes to mind [09:55] i don't recall changing spinlocks around at all === A_Alam [~a_alam@202.41.228.162] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:59] fabbione: we don't patch it, so that's indeed bogus [09:59] fabbione: linux-source-2.6.12_2.6.11.93.orig.tar.gz is exactly 2.6.12rc5 upstream? [09:59] yes === pitti slaps trulux :-) [09:59] given that the incremental diffs are not borked.. it isd [09:59] it is [10:00] fabbione: our main concern was the declaration of spin_lock and spin_unlock(). In 2.6.10 they take a spinlock_t, in 2.6.12 a spinlock_t* (a pointer) [10:00] fabbione: I don't believe that we patch such a fundamental issue [10:00] ... and we don't [10:01] no we don't === fabbione slaps trulux with a spinlock cluebat [10:01] ;) [10:04] fabbione: ... but please don't forget to unlock him again :-) [10:06] hehehe [10:07] humpf..... [10:07] hmmmm === azeem [~mbanck@proxy-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["laters"] [10:11] mx|gone: Hi [10:12] <[Chameleon] > Anybody else in here running Ubuntu on AMD64? [10:13] [Chameleon] : yes, why? [10:17] <[Chameleon] > I'm running into problems installing packages, mostly 3rd party, with regard to missing dependencies. [10:17] <[Chameleon] > I'm just wondering if I should instead go with 32-bit for now... or if maybe I can help get 64-bit packages available? [10:17] <[Chameleon] > I'm no pro, but I can learn. [10:18] trulux: I verified in pristine 2.6.12rc5: "void __lockfunc _spin_lock(spinlock_t *lock) __acquires(spinlock_t);" -> that _is_ a pointer [10:18] [Chameleon] : you're welcome to help out; join #ubuntu-motu if you'd like to do that. If you give me a bit more precise error than "running into errors", I can try to help you. [10:18] trulux: (I took 2.6.11 and applied the 2.6.12rc5 patch, just for double-checking) [10:18] <[Chameleon] > specifically, I'm looking to install some BreezyBadger stuff from the backports project and they don't seem to offer much for AMD64. === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:19] <[Chameleon] > Should I just upgrade to BreezyBadger? [10:20] Chameleon, short answer. no [10:21] AndyFitz, hey :) [10:21] <[Chameleon] > AndyFitz: too immature/unstable at this point? [10:21] jsgotangco, G'day mate [10:21] [Chameleon] : I would recommend asking the backports people; Backports are not supported. [10:22] <[Chameleon] > tfheen: OK. [10:22] [Chameleon] : yeah pretty much. you'll have to continuously apt-get dist-upgrade -you and manually revise the packages .. stuff will break === g14 [~g14@c-67-171-59-176.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:25] <[Chameleon] > AndyFitz, tfheen: thanks === pitti [~pitti@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:28] funny, I just dist-upgraded, now I get a fancy dialog "XSession: [OK] " on login... [10:29] pitti: X working? [10:29] pitti: yeah, that's gdm being broken [10:29] i tried to upload it on saturday night, but ended up uploading to unstable [10:29] let me try again now [10:29] Nafallo: yes, exactly as before (with broken Alt and Control) [10:29] [10:29] s/unstable/hoary/ [10:30] uh :-) [10:30] the issue is already known and fixed? Great, daniels! :-) [10:30] pitti: hmm, last time I upgraded the damn thing wouldn't start ;-) [10:30] uploading xorg to unstable would qualify as "bad" :) [10:30] Nafallo: oh yes, I had to remove the "generic mouse" from the config [10:31] Treenaks: actually, nowadays it isn't so bad any more since sarge is frozen [10:32] well, locked hoary xorg works ;-) === herzi [~herzi@host-214-222.conf.guadec.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:32] daniels: the keyboard stuff unbroken yet? === chmj [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martink_ [~martin@host-213-229.conf.guadec.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robtaylor_ [~robtaylor@host-213-109.conf.guadec.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:40] Lathiat: locally, yes [10:40] Lathiat: sudo ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XKeysymDB /usr/lib/X11/XKeysymDB, should get you going in the meantime === ogra [~ogra@host-213-216.conf.guadec.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:43] <[Chameleon] > tfheen, AndyFitz: I'm going to "downgrade" to the i386 version... the current 64-bit deficiencies are too numerous at this time. [10:43] pitti: uploaded [10:44] great [10:44] daniels: xorg crack? === pitti tries new keyboard trick === mvo [~egon@host-213-204.conf.guadec.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:45] hmm what was the command to get all packages that builddep on foo? [10:45] (today i am really slow :/) === pitti [~pitti@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:46] daniels: nope, still no luck with above symlink [10:46] xset: command not found [10:46] grr [10:46] pitti: sigh, you probably also need my awesome new libX11 [10:46] pitti: that's because /usr/bin/X11 is empty [10:46] pitti: yeah, that's fixed in -21, which I'll upload later [10:46] fabbione: xorg crack later tonight [10:46] daniels: cool [10:47] neat === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.95.212.122] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:47] pitti: do you happen to remember what is the command to show all the packages that build-dep on foo? === koke_ [~koke@155.210.13.152] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:47] fabbione: I wish I ever knew such a command [10:47] fabbione: so far I used grep-dctrl [10:47] ah ok :) [10:47] fabbione: grep-dctrl? [10:47] yeah whatever is fine... [10:48] fabbione: apt-cache rbuild-depends would be logical... [10:48] i just don't know grep-dctrl sintax :) [10:48] pitti: yeah [10:48] 9955 root 15 0 70988 17m 5168 S 40.2 2.6 1:19.03 Xorg [10:48] daniels: any idea why X.org constantly uses 40% CPU although I do *nothing*? [10:49] pitti: try to restart firefox :) [10:49] or mozilla [10:49] or thunderbird [10:49] fabbione: it's not even open [10:49] pitti: stat(); stat(); etc; [10:50] pitti: no idea, sorry [10:50] hm, ok === pitti restarts again [10:51] pitti: if you have another machine, you could ssh in and break on WaitForSomething with gdb and see what the events out [10:51] s/out/are/ [10:51] i'm going to get dinner now, i'll be gone for a while [10:51] bah, system -> logout just hangs now [10:51] I hate you all [10:51] <[Chameleon] > heh [10:51] (not literally :-) ) === pitti grabs killall === pitti [~pitti@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:54] ah, better now === hunger [~hunger@p54A6568A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:02] daniels: righton, im not running breezy for the moment anyway, once X has working xkb i'll jump back ship :) [11:02] daniels: around? [11:03] dilinger: ping? === jdub wonders wtf is going on with X [11:05] daniels: by default, i'm getting crt output like xinerama [11:05] daniels: but it's not 1024x768 [11:05] it's another screen [11:06] can't xrandr it === spacey [~spacey@145.33.170.29] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:08] daniels: can i make X not create the other screen, and use i855crt? [11:09] can i make the second screen do a sensible resolution? === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === crb [~crb@hermitage.hs.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:23] Kamion: is there any reason why ssh in breezy reports a "Killed by signal 1." on each command? (including sftp or scp?) [11:26] pitti: last time system->logout froze on me i had to kill gnome-panel [11:28] Mark's talk should be starting soon http://stream.fluendo.com/guadec/konig/ [11:29] Riddell: mark's talk is done :) [11:29] jdub: how did it go? [11:29] finished an hour ago [11:29] fabbione: hrm, ok [11:30] jdub: what room is the topaz stuff going to be in? [11:30] only ok? [11:30] Amaranth: um [11:30] the big room [11:30] aw, did I sleep in? [11:30] stupid dodgy uni wireless is nuking the streams [11:30] Knigshalle? [11:30] i'm not really sure [11:31] that's the keynote room [11:31] my talk is at 14:00, and i need daniel to fix my X ;) [11:31] lol [11:32] I can see seb :-) [11:32] i'll probably just turn it into images and use someone else's lappy [11:32] you have 2 1/2 hours :) [11:32] jdub: heh [11:32] install hoary in a chroot and run X out of it :P) === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.109.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:34] Lathiat: tempting === zeedo [~zeedo@www.reboot-robot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === opi [~emil@nat0.mnc.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:36] hey its seb [11:36] morning [11:37] morning opi [11:38] anyone know what's in the Knig room now? [11:38] who is talking atm? [11:38] gdesklets [11:38] jsgotangco: no, who is he :) [11:39] mjg59: still around? [11:39] hmz stream is gone [11:39] indeed [11:39] yeah [11:39] mx|gone: Hi [11:39] it just died [11:40] Nafallo: lightning talks [11:40]