[01:10] <iceman> anyone able to help me set up a UBUNTU and REDHAT network ? between two computers ?
[01:11] <crimmy> hmm, that's really a #ubuntu question...
[02:06] <SEBest> hello, anyone awake? :)
[02:32] <tseng> how can i print my LDPATH?
[02:36] <crimmy> echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH ?
[02:37] <tseng> yeah nothing there
[02:37] <tseng> just wondering if it would search  /usr/X11R6/lib
[02:37] <tseng> it doesnt seem to
[02:38] <crimmy> yes, it should
[02:38] <crimmy> (/etc/ld.so.conf)
[02:42] <tseng> hm its the onlything in there even
[02:42] <tseng> gosh
[02:56] <ajmitch> afternoon
[02:56] <crimmy> 'afternoon
[03:05] <tseng> hi ajmitch
[03:06] <tseng> ajmitch: do you know how long it takes from alioth signup -> svn login
[03:06] <ajmitch> no idea sorry
[03:07] <tseng> ok.
[03:19] <plugwash> whats the ubuntu universe policy on compilers that compile themselves?
[03:19] <crimmy> that's not an issue
[03:19] <crimmy> it's really a license issue
[03:20] <crimmy> anything DFSG-free can go into universe
[03:20] <plugwash> it seems ubuntu has copied the fpc source package into universe
[03:20] <plugwash> but it can't compile it because there are no existing fp-compiler packages to compile it with
[03:21] <ajmitch> ah, more bootstrapping issues
[03:21] <crimmy> ajmitch: indeed
[03:21] <ajmitch> they can be worked around, afaik
[03:22] <ajmitch> we have to talk to lamont & he can sort out a special case for them
[03:22] <ajmitch> if we ask nicely
[03:23] <plugwash> afaict the easiest soloution would be to just upload the binary packages from sid
[03:23] <crimmy> are they in main?
[03:23] <plugwash> yeah
[03:23] <crimmy> oh, then yeah, just a sync is necessary
[03:23] <ajmitch> sure, but ubuntu doesn't accept binary uploads, they need to be slipped in another way
[03:24] <ajmitch> crimmy: a sync will only grab the source package & try to build it
[03:25] <crimmy> ajmitch: hmm, still the ole chicken-n-egg.
[03:25] <ajmitch> yeah
[03:25] <ajmitch> which is why we get a binary package into the buildd chroot in order to bootstrap it
[03:26] <crimmy> yeah, hence needing the special-case
[03:26] <ajmitch> mono used to have the same issue
[03:27] <plugwash> out of interest why don't ubuntu accept binary uploads?
[03:27] <ajmitch> I guess to ensure that things compile from source :)
[03:28] <crimmy> which is a cleaner approach, really
[03:29] <ajmitch> yes, better than uploading a package that doesn't compile anywhere but on the maintainer's box
[03:29] <ajmitch> (missing build-deps, etc)
[03:31] <ajmitch> in a 6-month release cycle we want to make sure that packages build nicely on the supported architectures asap
[03:32] <Lathiat> theres also potential security concerns
[03:33] <ajmitch> Lathiat: such as?
[03:33] <Lathiat> if you upload binaries, it could be different from the source
[03:33] <ajmitch> sure
[03:33] <plugwash> am i correct in thinking that you bulk import from sid and only bother to check why a package isn't building when someone complains?
[03:33] <ajmitch> plugwash: for universe, yes
[03:34] <ajmitch> we do have a page for build logs
[03:34] <ajmitch> but there's not many of us looking after universe to fix everything
[03:34] <ajmitch> most real fixing will tend to be done after automatic imports from sid have stopped
[03:35] <ajmitch> except for our friend the Cxx transition & others :)
[03:36] <plugwash> the Cxx transistion?
[03:37] <plugwash> know any good pages that introduce how ubuntu fits together
[03:37] <plugwash> ie when they import how they prepare releases where buildd logs are etc
[03:39] <ajmitch> there are some good pages on the wiki. one moment
[03:40] <ajmitch> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/DeveloperResources
[03:41] <plugwash> [02:39]  <ajmitch> there are some good pages on the wiki. one moment <-- that was the last line i got please repeat anything said to me after it
[03:42] <ajmitch> 13:40 < ajmitch> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/DeveloperResources
[03:53] <plugwash> all your pages seem to talk about hoary and warty and i saw one mention of breezy
[03:53] <plugwash> is there a page somewhere that details what the names actually mean?
[03:58] <plugwash> ahh found it
[08:36] <\sh> morning
[09:38] <\sh> hey Nafallo
[09:57] <\sh> hmmm...
[09:57] <\sh> the date for the ubuntu backports meeting is not on the calendar...should I add this event?
[09:59] <siretart> moin
[09:59] <siretart> \sh: backports meeting? did I miss something?
[10:01] <Amaranth> june 1
[10:01] <Amaranth> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuBackports
[10:02] <\sh> hey siretat
[10:02] <\sh> hmm...i think i misspelled your nick in my blogentry
[10:04] <siretart> \sh: my nick is my login here at university. Student der Ingenieurwissenschaften Reinhard Tartler
[10:05] <\sh> siretart: well, but siretat != siretart ;)
[10:05] <siretart> yeah ;)
[10:05] <Treenaks> at least it's not siretard ;)
[10:05] <\sh> hehe
[10:05] <siretart> jupp :/
[10:07] <siretart> \sh: whats the url again for your blog?
[10:08] <\sh> linux.blogweb.de
[10:10] <siretart> thnx
[10:12] <siretart> \sh: what do you think about the backports? should we (as motus) support them?
[10:17] <Nafallo> yay! python as religion ;-)
[10:21] <\sh> siretart: no..mako want to diskuss with motu and mains if we should support backports or not, if yes, how we should handle them so that they're not causing more troubles with ubuntu linux ;)
[10:21] <\sh> siretart: the best way to handle this, is to change some parts of the update policy of ubuntu
[10:22] <\sh> or to have a similar development stage like gentoo...so not starting over from debian unstable, but to update/upgrade the already existent packages
[10:23] <siretart> \sh: this sounds a bit like building up something in the spirit of http://backports.org
[10:35] <\sh> siretart: well, yes, but the biggest problem is, that we should be in sync with them...so if they're building new packages with new deps etc. we should have them...and they should hold on ubuntu policy
[10:36] <\sh> siretart: and btw...no lintian warnings anymore with njam, manpage, .desktop file (but someone has to check it ;))
[10:36] <siretart> \sh: I'll have a look at it this evening
[10:38] <\sh> siretart: i will try to build an amd64 package as well
[10:41] <\sh> morning ogra
[10:41] <ogra> heya
[10:51] <\sh> wel
[10:51] <\sh> i could really need some help with arkrpg
[10:52] <\sh> and aspseek...i don't really know what to do with it
[10:52] <\sh> cvs.aspseek.org is not reachable
[10:54] <\sh> even the pserver cvs server is not reachable anymore..
[11:39] <opi> morning
[11:55] <\sh> hi opi
[12:04] <opi> hi \sh
[12:45] <siretart> doko: sorry about my poor changelogs, will improve them. shall I reupload an corrected rlog package?
[12:48] <doko> siretart: no, but please update the diff, it should be a help for the Debian package maintainers, when feeding back these patches
[12:52] <\sh> hmmm...any issues with mini-dinstall and amd64 arch?
[12:52] <\sh> i can't process one package for amd64
[12:58] <\sh> grmpf..my fault
[01:08] <tseng> hi
[01:23] <tseng> Nafallo: please try blam today
[01:25] <Nafallo> tseng: Kaloz
[01:25] <Nafallo> tseng: k even
[01:25] <tseng> thanks
[01:26] <Amaranth> Treenaks: not going to hapen
[01:26] <Amaranth> err, happen
[01:26] <Amaranth> Treenaks: http://rafb.net/paste/results/OfoO5h18.html
[01:27] <Treenaks> not enough info
[01:27] <Treenaks> you really need a debug version
[01:27] <Amaranth> make a totem-dbg package then :)
[01:28] <Treenaks> Amaranth: apt-get source totem-xine; apt-get build-dep totem-xine; DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc
[01:28] <Treenaks> maybe libxine too
[01:28] <Amaranth> that'd take hours
[01:29] <Amaranth> well, an hour anyway
[01:29] <Treenaks> Amaranth: do you want that bug fixed or not? :)
[01:29] <Amaranth> wtf
[01:29] <Amaranth> why does totem need firefox-dev
[01:29] <tseng> the plugin.
[01:29] <Treenaks> it builds a firefox plugin
[01:30] <Treenaks> a very cool one
[01:30] <Treenaks> (it works!)
[01:30] <Treenaks> it even resizes!
[01:30] <Amaranth> building
[01:30] <Amaranth> needed to add in an sudo and a cd
[01:31] <tseng> why is mono stuff going bong on ppc
[01:31] <Nafallo> tseng: X Window System Error. could this be because my hoary-xorg? ;-)
[01:31] <tseng> Nafallo: uhhh
[01:32] <tseng> Nafallo: wow i dont want to hear any more complains from you
[01:32] <Nafallo> tseng: hehe. you will... when xorg works again ;-)
[01:33] <tseng> mono might be fixed before xorg, at this rate
[01:33] <tseng> we dont re-break things
[01:33] <Nafallo> hehe
[01:34] <tseng> i guess i need someone on ppc/breezy to tell me what is actually uninstallable here
[01:34] <tseng>   mono-jit: Depends: mono-assemblies-base-1.1.7
[01:34] <tseng> ah there it is
[01:34] <tseng> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/m/mono/1.1.7-0ubuntu5/mono_1.1.7-0ubuntu5_20050528-2214-powerpc-failed.gz
[01:40] <\sh> i looks like, that I will fix my problem with arkrpg just now...
[01:46] <DanielN> \sh: you wrote in MOTUNewPackages "when - requested some changes"  but which do you mean?
[01:48] <tseng> no one with ppc/
[01:50] <\sh> DanielN: we spoke about them..old entry...i will take a new look on this package
[01:50] <\sh> tseng: give me money for a pegasos ;)
[01:53] <DanielN> \sh: aha.. all clear now!
[01:53] <DanielN> thx for your newbie introducion works :D
[01:54] <Amaranth> Treenaks: I guess libxine needs rebuilt too, i get no extra info from totem-xine
[01:54] <Treenaks> Amaranth: did you dpkg -i the deb?
[01:54] <Amaranth> yes...
[01:54] <Treenaks> Amaranth: what does 'file /usr/bin/totem' say?
[01:55] <Amaranth> /usr/bin/totem: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped
[01:55] <Treenaks> ok.. not stripped = good
[01:55] <Treenaks> uh yeah.. go for libxine
[01:56] <\sh> DanielN: do u have an amd64 machine running breezy in a working env?
[01:57] <DanielN> no sorry, intel only here ...
[01:59] <DanielN> other question: is it possible to upgrade directly to breezy from warty?
[01:59] <Treenaks> uh
[02:00] <Treenaks> why breezy, not hoary?
[02:00] <Amaranth> TIAS, i hope so
[02:00] <Treenaks> Amaranth: ?
[02:00] <Amaranth> try it and see
[02:00] <DanielN> Treenaks: why not ?
[02:00] <Amaranth> building libxine1c2 now
[02:00] <Treenaks> DanielN: it'll break
[02:00] <Amaranth> wait, don't g++ packages get built with 3.3 on regular machines?
[02:00] <DanielN> ok .. then first hoary and then breezy?
[02:00] <Treenaks> Amaranth: no
[02:01] <Amaranth> ok, building then
[02:01] <Treenaks> I guess..
[02:32] <\sh> *outch* a splinter in my finger
[02:34] <Unfrgiven> hi all
[02:39] <Amaranth> Treenaks: much better now
[02:39] <Treenaks> Amaranth: what does it say now?
[02:39] <Amaranth> http://rafb.net/paste/results/ZxGZE518.html
[02:39] <Treenaks> argh.. threads
[02:40] <Amaranth> i said that long ago
[02:40] <Amaranth> totem starts like 12 threads
[02:47] <DanielN> \sh: is ish providing cable internet too ?
[02:48] <ogra> DanielN, yep
[02:48] <\sh> DanielN: yep
[02:48] <DanielN> hehe
[02:48] <\sh> DanielN: but depends where u r living :)
[02:49] <DanielN> \sh: i'm from switzerland ..  and here cable internet is most used broadband technology
[02:49] <\sh> DanielN: not here ;)
[02:49] <\sh> DanielN: not internet via tv cable ;)
[02:49] <DanielN> i know, thats wy i'm asking
[02:49] <DanielN> \sh: who? whatelse then?
[02:50] <DanielN> but ish is providing tv, isn't it?
[02:50] <\sh> DanielN: yep..
[02:50] <\sh> DanielN: in germany internet via cable is not as common as e.g. dsl
[02:51] <DanielN> \sh: ah... clear now :) well, i think cable is nearer to best effort than dsl
[03:15] <tseng> oh man i can upload this beagle!
[03:15] <tseng> no dbus
[03:17] <Treenaks> tseng: upload that first then ;)
[03:17] <tseng> Treenaks: "first"?
[03:18] <tseng> checking for X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h... no
[03:18] <tseng> configure: error: Unable to find scrnsaver.h.  You probably need to install XFree86 development packages
[03:18] <tseng> i need to fix xorg first
[03:18] <Treenaks> tseng: \o/
[03:18] <tseng>  /usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h its right there
[03:18] <tseng> gosh
[03:18] <tseng> maybe we took it out of ldpath
[03:19] <Treenaks> tseng: -I
[03:21] <tseng> oh man configure is crack
[03:22] <tseng> its like its a foreach kind of, but scrnsaver is a special case
[03:23] <tseng>   --x-includes=DIR    X include files are in DIR
[03:23] <tseng>   --x-libraries=DIR   X library files are in DIR
[03:25] <\sh> tseng: have similare problems with arkrpg
[03:25] <\sh> all this autotools stuff is broken
[03:25] <\sh> doesn't find anything from X anymore
[03:25] <tseng> jeez
[03:26] <tseng> so whats the fix
[03:26] <tseng> i had it yesterday with libX11.so.6.2
[03:26] <tseng> it found libX11.so.6 (a symlink) just fine
[03:26] <tseng> in the same dir
[03:26] <tseng> but that was ld, not autotools
[03:27] <tseng> mono looking things up in an ld sort of way, rather
[03:28] <tseng>  for ac_header in X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h
[03:28] <tseng> oh
[03:30] <\sh> checking for X... /tmp/buildd/arkrpg-0.1.4b/./configure: line 20949: test: too many arguments
[03:30] <\sh> /tmp/buildd/arkrpg-0.1.4b/./configure: line 20949: test: too many arguments
[03:30] <\sh> /tmp/buildd/arkrpg-0.1.4b/./configure: line 20949: test: too many arguments
[03:31] <\sh> this is what i get from configure
[03:31] <\sh> and i cant fix it...i tried everything
[03:31] <tseng> that sucks
[03:31] <\sh> remove aclocal+config.{guess,sub} relibtoolize autoreconf blabla
[03:31] <\sh> nothing works
[03:31] <\sh> i tried to find out if there is a new version...
[03:32] <\sh> but arkrpg is now known as arkhart
[03:32] <\sh> version number: 1.4
[03:33] <\sh> the other child with a problem is aspseek
[03:34] <\sh> no cvs is available, the last debian bug entry is from fabbione from 2003
[03:34] <\sh> and the software...it refuses to build ;)
[03:34] <mdke> are there any italian motus?
[03:40] <\sh> ok..
[03:40] <\sh> xincludes and xlibs is fixed for arkrpg
[03:40] <\sh> i provided them...do we have fixed build variables for it in cdbs?
[03:42] <DanielN> so i'm asking again: direct upgrade from warty to breezy is impossible?
[03:43] <\sh> and now for the easy errors ;)
[03:46] <siretart> DanielN: I noone has tested this yet, I think. I don't think this will be supported somewhere, so, to be safe, upgrade to hoary first, if possible
[03:46] <siretart> I think, even
[03:49] <Unfrgiven> hi again... i've been looking to help out with the c++ transition. i know ive left it pretty late but i havent had much time recently. anyways, here i am. now im a bit confused looking at the wiki pages... it seems like everything on UniverseCxxTransition is done? or am i reading it wrong?
[03:56] <\sh> ok..going home#
[03:56] <DanielN> me2
[03:56] <DanielN> ill here @ work
[04:06] <Unfrgiven> tseng: for test-building debian source pacakges whats the quickest way to build it? i use pbuilder... i just wanted to know if there was a quicker way... since pbuilder is slow as it unpacks the chroot and what not
[04:06] <tseng> pbuilder is slow
[04:06] <tseng> but its correct
[04:07] <tseng> if you are doing alot of fast test builds
[04:07] <tseng> you can apt-get build-dep package
[04:07] <tseng> and in the top of the source tree
[04:07] <tseng> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[04:07] <tseng> it will put source and debs in ../
[04:07] <Unfrgiven> ok cool. thanks
[04:07] <tseng> always pbuilder the final result to be sure
[04:07] <tseng> before uploading
[04:08] <Unfrgiven> tseng: yep, gotcha
[04:08] <tseng> rock on.
[04:11] <plugwash> hi i asked in here about fpc yesterday and was told that the starting compiler would have to be slipped into the buildd system as ubuntu don't allow binary uploads
[04:12] <plugwash> is this in hand already or is thier some way more permanent than irc that i should report it?
[04:29] <Burgundavia> cya all
[05:30] <GheRivero> res people
[05:32] <\sh> jo GheRivero
[06:04] <siretart> who answers richardo to join #ubuntu-motu? ;)
[06:04] <siretart> currently, I'm in a hurry :(
[06:08] <\sh> siretart: where is he?
[06:10] <siretart> \sh: he mailed ubuntu-devel
[06:10] <siretart> wanting a review for his oregano package update
[06:10] <\sh> ah ok....will answer him
[06:12] <siretart> thanks. I would have done this myself, but I really gotta go now home.. bye folks!
[06:16] <\sh> ../Ark/ArkObject.h:100: error: 'Cache' has not been declared
[06:16] <\sh> ../Ark/ArkObject.h:108: error: 'Cache' has not been declared
[06:16] <\sh> what is it?
[06:19] <DanielN> ree :)
[06:26] <ivoks> hi! :)
[06:42] <DanielN> hello, me 16 years old, is searching a nice, good-looking and interested MOTU to review some packages :D
[06:42] <ivoks> :)
[06:52] <Amaranth> as soon as i can get seb to upload pyxdg 0.12 into main i'll need someone to review smeg 0.7 :)
[07:21] <ivoks> i got my PGP signed by joy@debian.org :)
[07:22] <ivoks> do you trust me now, guys? :)
[07:22] <Nafallo> hehe
[07:50] <tseng> |QuaD-: did you try it?
[07:50] <SEBest> how come people define 2/3 times the same bug in malone?
[07:56] <tseng> SEBest: until a week or so ago it was impossible to search existing bugs, for one
[07:56] <tseng> SEBest: for two, alot of people just dont bother to search at all
[07:56] <tseng> same problem on bugzilla
[07:56] <SEBest> tseng, i mean exactly the same text
[07:56] <ozamosi> and the same reporter
[07:57] <tseng> maybe a bug or a repost then
[07:57] <SEBest> bug 839 840 841 843
[07:57] <SEBest> but there are many like this
[07:57] <tseng> maybe a bug or a repost then.
[07:57] <SEBest> a majority i think
[07:57] <tseng> like, when a webform is slow and someone hits submit many times, you know
[07:57] <tseng> and bugs, you know what they are.
[07:57] <SEBest> yes i guessed that too
[07:58] <SEBest> but most of the bugs a double or triple :s
[07:58] <|QuaD-> tseng: i tried it, it is kinda buggy... still playing
[07:58] <SEBest> i think it's buggy and people hit the same button twice, and it gets submitted more than one time
[07:58] <tseng> that sounds about right
[07:58] <SEBest> malone was developped by ubuntu?
[07:59] <tseng> yes.
[07:59] <|QuaD-> tseng: beagle isn't crawling my files
[07:59] <SEBest> they didn't like existing bug tracking system? like bugzilla, mantiss issue-tracker?
[07:59] <|QuaD-> crashes on imlog
[07:59] <SEBest> |Quad i have the same problems
[07:59] <|QuaD-> but the other parts work ok
[07:59] <|QuaD-> :)
[08:00] <tseng> SEBest: this one is supposed to be able to pull bugs in from other bugzillas and BTS
[08:00] <SEBest> i never get beagle indexing any file :s
[08:00] <tseng> SEBest: is one of the main points.
[08:00] <tseng> also track the status of those bugs
[08:00] <SEBest> tseng, i think malone needs itselft to track his ownbugs :s
[08:00] <tseng> yes, its buggy
[08:00] <|QuaD-> SEBest: it isn't indexing ANYTHING for you?
[08:00] <SEBest> buggy tracking system :)
[08:01] <SEBest> quad: only mails and things like this
[08:01] <SEBest> but i've never been able to make it index files
[08:01] <|QuaD-> mine is doing mail, blam, liferea, tomboy, and launcher
[08:01] <SEBest> it is always stuck
[08:01] <SEBest> yes me too
[08:01] <SEBest> but no files
[08:01] <SEBest> that's the most impressive feature that is missing for me :(
[08:03] <|QuaD-> heh
[08:03] <tseng> mine did a file
[08:03] <tseng> with a bit of pushing
[08:03] <|QuaD-> lol
[08:03] <SEBest> only one? :d
[08:03] <tseng> no, i mean one Live
[08:03] <tseng> you know what i mean
[08:03] <SEBest> oki :)
[08:03] <tseng> i did a search then made a file to set if off intentionally
[08:04] <tseng> it indexed lots of files
[08:04] <SEBest> maybe i've too much file for him
[08:04] <SEBest> or maybe he doesn't like my files :)
[08:04] <tseng> you guys have user_xattr set right?
[08:04] <SEBest> i guess it's not curious enough lol
[08:04] <SEBest> yes of course
[08:04] <|QuaD-> tseng: yeah, the last release did fine
[08:04] <tseng> there is a thing called EXERCISE_THE_DOG=1 to export
[08:04] <SEBest> just need to put it in fstab righ?
[08:05] <tseng> im not sure what it does, something about forcing index
[08:05] <|QuaD-> tseng: that just unthrottles it
[08:05] <tseng> ok id call that an upstream things
[08:05] <tseng> since it works for me.
[08:05] <|QuaD-> tseng: what do you mean?
[08:05] <tseng> i mean, it works for me
[08:06] <tseng> so when you figure out what the problem is, let me know and I might have  a shot at fixing it
[08:06] <|QuaD-> tseng: it indexes files as i create them / modify them
[08:06] <|QuaD-> but it doesn't index pre-existing files
[08:07] <tseng> oh I see
[08:07] <|QuaD-> i don't know if that helps at all
[08:07] <tseng> what if you removed ~/.beagle and started all over maybe
[08:07] <tseng> i really dont know
[08:07] <|QuaD-> tseng: lemme try
[08:08] <SEBest> tseng: does it look for filenames?
[08:08] <tseng> yes
[08:08] <SEBest> i querying seb
[08:09] <SEBest> echo seb > test
[08:09] <SEBest> works
[08:09] <tseng> yep.
[08:09] <SEBest> touch seb
[08:09] <SEBest> doesn't
[08:09] <tseng> well yeah
[08:09] <tseng> they might ignore that now if theres no content
[08:09] <SEBest> damned
[08:10] <tseng> i just searched for FilterJpeg and got FilterJpeg.cs in both copies of beagle source tree in my /home
[08:10] <tseng> 0.0.10 would not have been indexed before today, obviously
[08:10] <SEBest> how come it doesn't index my exsisting files?
[08:10] <Amaranth> beagle works again?
[08:10] <tseng> i dunno id appreciate if you could tell me
[08:10] <tseng> i cant fix what I cant see
[08:11] <tseng> or give me a test to proove that mine isnt working either
[08:11] <Amaranth> well, it needed dbus
[08:11] <tseng> because im pretty sure it does
[08:11] <Amaranth> 0.0.10 doesn't though, does it?
[08:11] <tseng> Amaranth: eh? its in breezy, de-busted
[08:11] <tseng> Amaranth: get with the times
[08:11] <tseng> :P
[08:11] <Amaranth> heh
[08:11] <|QuaD-> tseng: you have EXERCISE_THE_DOG=1 exported?
[08:11] <Amaranth> since when? an hour ago? :P
[08:11] <tseng> no
[08:12] <SEBest> |Quad i have it
[08:12] <tseng> its definately looking at files dude
[08:12] <|QuaD-> tseng: how are you running it?
[08:12] <Amaranth> yay, i can get bleeding edge search tool back ;)
[08:12] <|QuaD-> tseng: both SEBest and I are having the same problem :)
[08:12] <tseng> it is like "what to do with random-guadec-video.ogg"
[08:12] <SEBest> i think one file may block it :)
[08:13] <SEBest> it only index 136 files for me :s
[08:13] <tseng> beagled --debug --fg
[08:13] <|QuaD-> SEBest: those are probably the ones that have been modified
[08:13] <Amaranth> now i guess need tomboy and vlc and i'll be happy :D
[08:13] <Amaranth> s/guess/just/
[08:14] <tseng> yeah tomboy wants dbus
[08:14] <tseng> stupid thing
[08:14] <|QuaD-> why does tomboy use dbus?
[08:14] <tseng> plugins
[08:14] <Amaranth> yeah, i thought mono moved into main and we could get libdbus-cil built like that
[08:14] <Amaranth> dbus, it's the new bonobo
[08:14] <SEBest> |Quad to go to school
[08:14] <|QuaD-> ohh
[08:14] <tseng> we are waiting for Kamion to update the seed list
[08:14] <Amaranth> ah
[08:14] <Amaranth> cool
[08:15] <|QuaD-> hmmm i might know why, the filesystem thing is crashing because i have a path that is too long
[08:15] <tseng> DEBUG: worker added: name=Beagle.Daemon.QueryDriver+QueryClosure refcount=1
[08:15] <tseng> DEBUG: Finished task Crawling /home/brandon/work/debian/mono-1.1.7/mcs/class/Managed.Windows.Forms/Test in .07s
[08:15] <tseng> there you have it.
[08:16] <|QuaD-> i figured it would start back up :)
[08:16] <tseng> those arent new files at all.
[08:16] <tseng> oh yeah i had a file with / in the name
[08:16] <tseng> that pissed it off
[08:17] <tseng> they told me it was a mono bug and super hard to fix
[08:17] <ivoks> hi all
[08:17] <tseng> so i changed my files
[08:17] <SEBest> |quad : export BEAGLE_EXERCISE_THE_DOG=1
[08:17] <|QuaD-> tseng: the / ?
[08:17] <tseng> |QuaD-: yes.
[08:17] <tseng> i had mp3s like Artist - Foo / Bar.mp3
[08:18] <|QuaD-> SEBest: thats not good for performance
[08:18] <|QuaD-> lets see what else beagle doesn't like
[08:19] <SEBest> yes, but now it indexed my files
[08:19] <herve> houba!
[08:19] <tseng> hi.
[08:20] <|QuaD-> SEBest: i am trying to actually fix it :)
[08:20] <tseng> btw, are any of you using the firefox plugin?
[08:20] <|QuaD-> i wish there was an easy way just to see exceptions
[08:20] <|QuaD-> tseng: i haven't even gotten to the applet yet :)
[08:20] <tseng> hah
[08:21] <|QuaD-> i first need the daemon to work :)
[08:21] <tseng> i mean, to index visited pages
[08:21] <tseng> id be eager to get that working
[08:21] <|QuaD-> ohhh, i don't use ff :)
[08:21] <|QuaD-> anyways
[08:21] <tseng> i often forget where i saw things
[08:21] <Amaranth> tseng: anything i can do to get libdbus-cil built on my system?
[08:21] <tseng> and my history is too big to search
[08:21] <tseng> Amaranth: erm
[08:21] <|QuaD-> tseng: isn't there one of those for epiphany?
[08:21] <|QuaD-> tseng: i don't want it indexing my pr0n though :)
[08:22] <tseng> eh
[08:22] <Amaranth> turn the extension off, browse pr0n, turn it back on
[08:22] <|QuaD-> Amaranth:
[08:22] <|QuaD-> :)
[08:23] <|QuaD-> i will bbl, going to let beagle run, i will let you know if i fixed the file error :) or found a cause
[08:24] <tseng> yep im going to walk off too
[08:24] <tseng> good luck guys
[08:25] <\sh> Riddell: ping
[08:25] <DanielN> YAY .. 've put me on maintainer candidates.. muah :D
[08:25] <Riddell> \sh: yo
[08:26] <ivoks> \sh: hi
[08:26] <ivoks> DanielN: ?
[08:26] <\sh> Riddell: i'm confused right now with one question: where is the binding of XF86Mute (xorg key) and KDEs KMIx Mute command?
[08:26] <\sh> Riddell: i'm trying to build new symbol settings for my new keyboard :)
[08:27] <Riddell> \sh: is there such a binding?
[08:27] <SEBest> this beagle thing should also search in deb packages
[08:27] <SEBest> like apt-cache search
[08:28] <DanielN> ivoks: i've putted mysqlf on the list .. just that :)
[08:28] <DanielN> mysqlf
[08:28] <ivoks> :)
[08:28] <DanielN> damn
[08:28] <DanielN> myself
[08:28] <DanielN> too much mysql in mind :)
[08:28] <\sh> Riddell: well, actually, if i
[08:28] <ivoks> damn linux! :(
[08:28] <\sh> I'm pressing the "mute button" on my laptop kmix is muting
[08:28] <\sh> pressing again, unmute
[08:29] <Riddell> \sh: it's not kmilo is it?
[08:30] <\sh> kmilo?
[08:31] <\sh> Riddell: even when I'm stopping kmix it's starting when I press this button
[08:31] <\sh> the ssame with vol inc/dec buttons
[08:33] <Riddell> \sh: try killing kded then try pressing buttons
[08:34] <\sh> Riddell: not working anymore
[08:35] <Riddell> \sh: sounds like kmilo then
[08:35] <\sh> Riddell: where can i find some infos about it?
[08:35] <Riddell> \sh: kmilo is a kded module which somehow reads magic keys (like my thinkpad ones or your generic internet keyboard ones) and does something with them (like start kmix and tell it to mute)
[08:36] <Riddell> \sh: google and my kde.me.uk page should come up
[08:36] <Riddell> \sh: I think it's not very well thought out, it should just map to key bindings then kmix should hve global bindings for XF86Mute et al
[08:37] <Riddell> \sh: what are you wanting to make it do?
[08:37] <\sh> Riddell: well, yes if kmix would has those settings..but mute is not in the list of shortcuts
[08:37] <\sh> Riddell: trying to define a new keyboard map fpr this genius wireleess twintouch 19enb
[08:37] <\sh> keyboard :)
[08:40] <\sh> hmm
[08:41] <\sh> so it's not well documented ;)
[08:50] <\sh> Riddell: this is easy :) why are those nifty toys not well documented
[09:04] <Riddell> \sh: what have you managed to do?
[09:06] <\sh> Riddell: well, first of all, I checked the source for your kmilo
[09:06] <herve> hey, did you know there are easter eggs in gnome?
[09:06] <Amaranth> such as?
[09:06] <\sh> I wondering, why you use KShortCut("XF86AudioMute") but not for the XF86AudioVolumeUp and Down?
[09:07] <herve> Amaranth, alt+f2 and type "free the fish"
[09:07] <Amaranth> can't alt+f2, i'm on breezy :P
[09:07] <Amaranth> omfg, alt works again!
[09:07] <Amaranth> lmao, nice
[09:07] <ivoks> herve: nice voting :))
[09:08] <Nafallo> lol
[09:08] <\sh> DanielN: ping
[09:08] <Nafallo> he had speed when you touched him ;-)
[09:09] <DanielN> \sh: pong :)
[09:09] <\sh> DanielN: do u have jabber or some of {ICQ,MSN} IM?
[09:09] <DanielN> i've got MSN *shame*
[09:09] <Amaranth> eww, system monitor got fat
[09:09] <DanielN> ;)
[09:10] <abelli> is ogra around?
[09:10] <\sh> DanielN: u should switch ;)
[09:10] <abelli> is that beautiful creature (read ogra) around?
[09:10] <\sh> DanielN: anyways...give me your msn name :)
[09:10] <\sh> abelli: ogra is at guadec :)
[09:10] <DanielN> i know but .. most of friends are using msn and microsoft cause they don't know others..
[09:10] <DanielN> \sh: daniel_neuenschwander@msn.com
[09:11] <abelli> \sh: which means that they have connection too or what?
[09:11] <herve> another one, type "gegls from outer space"
[09:11] <Riddell> \sh: I didn't write the generic keyboard plugin so I've never looked at it (I did the thinkpad one)
[09:11] <Riddell> \sh: but if you can fix it, that's great :)
[09:11] <herve> DanielN, you can use msn chat without a msn address
[09:11] <DanielN> herve: i know but i'm too mhmh .. pissed on to switch .. to much work
[09:12] <\sh> DanielN: go online :)
[09:12] <Amaranth> herve: how do i unfree the fish?
[09:12] <DanielN> \sh: i'am online
[09:12] <\sh> Riddell: need to svn co the whole kde stuff
[09:12] <herve> Amaranth, I didn't think about the consequences :-)
[09:12] <herve> other gnome tips: http://lintellect.org/index.php?p=13
[09:12] <Nafallo> herve: how to kill the damn fish? :-P
[09:13] <Amaranth> no wonder gnome is so bloated! all these games! </netscape homepages>
[09:13] <DanielN> \sh: why you went off?
[09:14] <herve> hey guys, what's wrong with a fish passing by your screen? ;-)
[09:14] <abelli> herve: mmm .. how do i fish the fish?
[09:14] <Nafallo> herve: he's afraid of me? ;-)
[09:14] <Amaranth> herve: i think it eventually goes off the bottom of the screen and goes away
[09:15] <Nafallo> Amaranth: he comes back
[09:15] <Amaranth> she
[09:15] <Amaranth> wanda
[09:15] <Amaranth> click on her :)
[09:15] <Amaranth> :/
[09:15] <Amaranth> you have to kill the panel to get rid of her
[09:15] <Amaranth> or wnck-applet, that might do it
[09:16] <Nafallo> gaah
[09:17] <Nafallo> the panel
[09:18] <Amaranth> since i upgraded to 2.11 i've had this handy little launcher named 'Restart Panel'
[09:18] <Amaranth> since it seems to have given on up ever updating it's menus
[09:18] <Riddell> \sh: it's a big checkout :)
[09:18] <Nafallo> hmm
[09:18] <\sh> Riddell: i know :)
[09:18] <Nafallo> Mark_Shuttleworth_-_Partial_Keynote.ogg is actually an empty room :-P
[09:19] <Nafallo> annoying.
[09:19] <\sh> Riddell: but I need to have an actual source tree of kde anyways:)
[09:19] <Riddell> Nafallo: I discovered that
[09:20] <mgalvin> hi all
[09:21] <herve> hi
[09:24] <ivoks> tierd...
[09:24] <ivoks> bye all
[09:24] <herve> bye
[09:27] <|QuaD-> weird beagle only indexes files if i do --allow-backend Files
[09:31] <\sh> if anybody knows c++ and is expert for new invention in g++-4, can u look at arkrpg?
[09:32] <\sh> i'm stucked...the configure problems I solved, but not the c++ problems
[09:38] <siretart> re
[09:38] <siretart> arkrpg is really challenging..
[09:38] <siretart> btw, did anyone had a look at oregano yet?
[09:40] <herve> no
[09:41] <herve> sadly, I'm overbooked for now
[09:41] <siretart> ah, now I get it
[09:41] <siretart> he converted it to native.
[09:41] <siretart> I'll go on with that, don't worry
[09:51] <siretart> hm.
[09:59] <\sh> guys...
[10:00] <\sh> non existent sourcepackages, which are only for ubuntu, should they have 0ubuntu1 in the version?
[10:00] <ajmitch> yes, that is usually suggested
[10:00] <herve> you mean it's an ubuntu native package? ;-)
[10:00] <ajmitch> unless you've got a good justification for making it a nativ package
[10:01] <\sh> well...it
[10:01] <\sh> it's not in debian
[10:01] <\sh> (not officially)
[10:01] <ajmitch> just tell us what it is :P
[10:01] <herve> but it could be some day?
[10:01] <herve> (though in a higher version)
[10:01] <\sh> e.g. klibido or qinx
[10:02] <\sh> herve: well...in the moment i'm thinking about finding a deb maintainer who could sponsor an upload
[10:03] <\sh> but, why not the other way...officially in ubuntu, and synced into debian ;)
[10:04] <herve> it's called a sponsor ;-)
[10:05] <ajmitch> you might even find one around here
[10:06] <ajmitch> seeing as there's a few DDs here ;)
[10:06] <herve> hmm, does he need an ftpmaster too?
[10:06] <ajmitch> ?
[10:07] <herve> nothing to set up in the ftp archives?
[10:07] <ajmitch> why would he? DDs only complain to ftpmasters on rare occasions
[10:07] <herve> no review for security, etc.?
[10:07] <herve> well, no
[10:07] <ajmitch> packages get uploaded, NEW ones get processed by the ftpmasters
[10:07] <herve> this one is not really the role of ftpmasters, I guess
[10:07] <herve> I understand it's a NEW package
[10:07] <herve> \sh, no?
[10:08] <\sh> herve: yes
[10:09] <\sh> i checked again p.d.o
[10:09] <herve> also wnpp?
[10:09] <\sh> wnpp?
[10:09] <ajmitch> if you really need a sponsor, I can probably do it for you
[10:10] <herve> \sh, bugs.debian.org/wnpp
[10:10] <jamessan> Work-Needing and Prospective Packages
[10:10] <herve> search for the name of your pacakge
[10:10] <\sh> cu ajmitch
[10:10] <\sh> herve: will check right now
[10:11] <\sh> ok...one its in there
[10:12] <\sh> old one
[10:12] <\sh> Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:33:03 UTC;
[10:12] <\sh> bug date
[10:13] <herve> marked as RFP or ITP?
[10:13] <\sh> ITP
[10:13] <herve> from someone with a debian.org address?
[10:14] <\sh> no
[10:14] <\sh> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=286203
[10:14] <herve> then someone just enthusiastic :-)
[10:14] <\sh> means?
[10:14] <herve> there is a procedure in case you are serious about entering debian
[10:15] <\sh> the problem is the same as in gentoo :)
[10:15] <\sh> there is too much software ;)
[10:15] <herve> hard to say for sure, probably he found another occupation
[10:16] <\sh> well...
[10:16] <herve> or maybe no DD payed attention
[10:16] <herve> and end of the story
[10:16] <\sh> the best wa is to get it into debian and sync it from there
[10:16] <\sh> so,i will make a deal with ajmitch ;)
[10:16] <\sh> or someone else :)
[10:17] <herve> \sh, http://debian.neo.pl/wfmh/pool/main/k/kwin-style-qinx/
[10:17] <herve> are you sure it's not the same person? :)-
[10:18] <\sh> its the same person...and this release is old :)
[10:18] <\sh> 1.4 is actual
[10:19] <herve> he should ask debian-mentors then
[10:19] <herve> or find someone here ;-)
[10:19] <\sh> as i said: same problem with gentoo...the latest release was 1.2 inside 2005.0 (i uploaded the ebuild) and nobody took care about updated
[10:19] <\sh> updating even
[10:23] <\sh> well...lets do it via dd from ubuntu as a nice sponsor ;)
[10:24] <\sh> at least I'm sure it's compiling against kde-3.4.1 and is gcc4 clean ;)
[10:24] <herve> so in better shape that most of the kde packages in debian ;-)
[10:24] <\sh> herve: please review :)
[10:25] <\sh> motunewpackages ;)
[10:25] <herve> I wish I could :-)
[10:25] <herve> but real life is... er, real!
[10:25] <herve> painly real
[10:26] <\sh> hehe :)
[10:26] <\sh> and I'm renaming the stuff to come straight with the naming convention
[10:52] <ajmitch> :)
[10:53] <ajmitch> hah, I wish I could still be sleeping
[10:54] <\sh> hehe
[10:54] <\sh> playing with twisted-2.0.0a2 and shtoom
[10:55] <DanielN> if someone has a notebook, not used, tell me :)
[10:55] <DanielN> or not using, better
[10:57] <ajmitch> |QuaD-: good to hear that you have a job upcoming though :)
[10:57] <\sh> ajmitch: we should talk about a sponsored upload ;)
[10:57] <ajmitch> \sh: sure.. talk with the guy that did the ITP if you can
[10:57] <|QuaD-> ajmitch: yeah, most of my friends that graduated with me done
[10:57] <\sh> what is the meaning of ITP?
[10:57] <|QuaD-> alright, i gotta run
[10:57] <|QuaD-> ttyl
[10:57] <|QuaD-> \sh: intent to package
[10:58] <ajmitch> intent to package
[10:58] <\sh> ok
[11:01] <herve> night, gniiiii!
[11:01] <herve> see ya!
[11:03] <siretart> re
[11:05] <DanielN> cu
[11:10] <mgalvin> siretart, hi, do you guys have any plans for games(educational games) for kids?
[11:11] <mgalvin> I started looking around at the tux4kids games and would love to help get this packaged up and into ubuntu
[11:17] <siretart> mgalvin: no, I don't have any special plans about educational games. If you want to help packaging and improving existing packages, ROCK!
[11:20] <mgalvin> siretart, ok cool, i will spend some time on them, just so you know the other day I also started packaging some other game related packages includeing cegui and ogre
[11:21] <siretart> mgalvin: ROCK
[11:21] <\sh> doko: ping
[11:22] <siretart> mgalvin: if you have some games package that you think should be uploaded to ubuntu, add them here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages and ping me ;)
[11:25] <mgalvin> siretart, i will do that when they are ready, I have a few already built, but as I am still learning there are some improvements i want to make before getting them uploaded
[11:25] <mgalvin> siretart, if you have time, feel free to check them out at http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/ubuntu/packages/hoary/i386/
[11:26] <ajmitch> we'll be sure to try & set soem time aside for reviewing of packages :)
[11:26] <siretart> :)
[11:26] <mgalvin> sounds good :)
[11:26] <doko> \sh, pong
[11:28] <\sh> doko: i saw u r uploading c++ apps to main...should we do that also with universe?
[11:28] <doko> \sh, no, not before the C++ libs in universe are converted
[11:29] <\sh> ok
[11:29] <\sh> hmmm
[11:29] <\sh> I'm installing SIP express router now on my ubuntu box...lets check it out..
[11:30] <siretart> doko: perhaps I'm too dump, but I think my diff in https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11222 is correct. (??)
[11:31] <siretart> dumb, even
[11:31] <doko> -Package: librlog1
[11:31] <doko> +Package: librlog1c2
[11:31] <doko>  Section: libs
[11:31] <doko>  Architecture: any
[11:31] <doko>  Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}
[11:32] <doko> no conflict/replaces ...
[11:33] <doko> siretart, it's in the package, not in the diff
[11:33] <siretart> ok I am too dumb for noticing this. sorry for bothering. (note to self, never bother others when already tired)
[11:33] <siretart> will update..
[11:34] <siretart> done
[11:41] <\sh> going to bed...night guys.
[11:42] <siretart> gn8, \sh