[12:00] <deviant> justin: except that way.
[12:00] <martii> giggsey: I don't remember very well as I stopped using dsl some time ago due to my job change
[12:00] <giggsey> lol
[12:00] <martii> geggand I moved
[12:00] <Varanger> crimmy: Should I left "all" option enabled or just "azx" ???
[12:00] <martii> giggsey: so can't help you but I know that you will have to check what pppd does
[12:00] <deviant> justin: that mplayer won`t play me some .avi files. and keeps crushing on me .
[12:01] <martii> giggsey: as it seams firmware is loaded propery
[12:01] <dooglus> enonu: I'm not sure that /etc/profile is run.
[12:01] <giggsey> i don't think pppd is doing anything, there is no log
[12:01] <martii> properly
[12:01] <martii> giggsey: so that's why you have no internet
[12:01] <giggsey> kk
[12:01] <giggsey> how do i run it
[12:01] <giggsey> i told you in a n00b
[12:01] <martii> giggsey: hotplug should do it
[12:02] <giggsey> any tutorials or links or anything
[12:02] <giggsey> i know nothing
[12:02] <giggsey> i barely know how to use ssh for my dedicated server
[12:03] <cyber23> justin: I used apt-get
[12:03] <martii> giggsey: http://dsl.linux.it/DebianNetinstall
[12:03] <martii> giggsey: at the end
[12:03] <cyber23> justin: to install the drivers
[12:03] <martii> giggsey: did you copy driver package to /etc/ppp/peers/
[12:03] <giggsey> done the bullet points
[12:03] <martii> what do you have there
[12:03] <floo> can anyone please tell me how I change the default setting forom totem to VLC when opening avi mp3 ogg formats?
[12:04] <cyber23> Is there anything that can be done with my driver install
[12:04] <giggsey> Copy the /usr/share/doc/speedtouch/examples/peers-pppoa file to /etc/ppp/peers/adsl
[12:04] <giggsey> thats what i did
[12:04] <giggsey> and in  /etc/default/speedtouch is PPPD_PEER="adsl"
[12:04] <giggsey> and also  Append the line "speedtch" to the /etc/hotplug/blacklist file.
[12:04] <martii> giggsey: ok
[12:05] <martii> so you can call this setup by doing
[12:05] <martii> pppd call adsl
[12:05] <giggsey> and that should connect me to the web?
[12:05] <LinuxJones> floo, right click a mp3 file and open with other application then select /usr/bin/vlcFilename
[12:05] <martii> giggsey: that will run ppp
[12:05] <giggsey> confused
[12:06] <martii> giggsey: try pppd debug call adsl
[12:06] <floo> I know but i'd like it to do it automatically when i double click a file.  At the moment Totem opens, I'd like it to be vlc... cheers!
[12:06] <martii> giggsey: linux requires little bit more knowledge :)
[12:06] <giggsey> lol
[12:06] <giggsey> im willing to learn, the reason ive got it, i just need the web
[12:06] <martii> giggsey: just play with it
[12:06] <martii> giggsey: so I tell you waht to do
[12:06] <LinuxJones> floo, you have to select do this automatically from now on checkbox
[12:07] <giggsey> kk, start ppp should get me on the web right?
[12:07] <martii> giggsey: you don't read
[12:07] <martii> giggsey: it will run ppd
[12:07] <crimmy> Varanger: any progress?
[12:07] <martii> giggsey: if ppp is configured well
[12:07] <cyber23> factor_dee; any way to fix it
[12:07] <martii> giggsey: it should
[12:07] <giggsey> kk
[12:07] <martii> giggsey: if not we can find out whats wrong
[12:07] <giggsey> writing down those commands, then trying
[12:07] <martii> giggsey: but you must probvide us with loigs
[12:07] <martii> logs
[12:07] <Fator_Dee> cyber23: I don't know
[12:07] <floo> cheers linuxjones, I'll give it a go
[12:07] <giggsey> goddam it, there are never pens in my house
[12:08] <cyber23> Justin: do you know
[12:08] <LinuxJones> floo, ;)
[12:08] <martii> giggsey: write in text file
[12:08] <martii> giggsey: on windows partition
[12:08] <martii> giggsey: you can read it from linux then
[12:08] <cyber23> how do I fix this guys #
[12:08] <cyber23> (WW) fglrx(0): Kernel Module version does *not* match driver.
[12:08] <cyber23> #
[12:08] <cyber23> (EE) fglrx(0): incompatible kernel module detected - HW accelerated OpenGL will not work
[12:09] <crimmy> cyber23: sounds like you have mismatched kernel & X Window System drivers
[12:09] <giggsey> bbs - hopefully - trying it :P
[12:10] <medkit_> cyber23, this thread helps a lot, you must read it to the end.
[12:10] <medkit_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495
[12:11] <mez> eek
[12:11] <mez> whats the quickest way to instlall flas for firefox?
[12:11] <fresh27> I am now using Ubuntu for the first time and its quite a pain.
[12:11] <justin> mez: install the packages for it
[12:11] <Varanger> crimmy: I am building now, but I wasn't sure if should enable "azx" and "all", "all" was enabled by default, I left it like this
[12:12] <ogi_> fresh27, why is that
[12:12] <mez> justin
[12:12] <LinuxJones> fresh27, it's normal it takes some getting used to :)
[12:12] <mez> what packages?
[12:12] <crimmy> Varanger: sure, that will suffice, though you really only needed azx.
[12:12] <crimmy> Varanger: no harm with all, though.
[12:12] <cyber23> crimmy: is there any way to fix that
[12:12] <fresh27> I clicked the updates button in the upper right and entered my password, but I got a "Failure to run /usr/bin/update-manager: Child terminated with 1 status." error
[12:12] <fresh27> and I get basically the same thing for anything that requires a password (User and Groups, etc)
[12:12] <LinuxJones> fresh27, you need to enter your users password
[12:12] <fresh27> I did
[12:12] <justin> mez: the flash plugin packages
[12:13] <LinuxJones> fresh27, your in the account that you installed Ubuntu ?
[12:13] <crashy> 'lo all
[12:13] <cyber23> Couldn't find package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8-5-386
[12:13] <fresh27> yep
[12:13] <crimmy> cyber23: what cpu do you have?
[12:13] <cyber23> p4 2.6 ghz
[12:13] <crimmy> cyber23: sudo aptitude install linux-686-smp
[12:14] <cyber23> crimmy: thats downloading
[12:14] <cyber23> crimmy: what is that going to do
[12:14] <mez> justin
[12:14] <mez> the names of them
[12:14] <mez> and i have some installed already apparently
[12:14] <crimmy> cyber23: install a more suitable kernel for your hardware
[12:14] <LinuxJones> fresh27, open a terminal and type sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[12:14] <crimmy> cyber23: you _are_ using Hoary, correct? :)
[12:15] <Varanger> crimmy: can I download and compile lastest alsa-source.tar.bz2 from alsa-project.org?
[12:15] <cyber23> crimmy: Yes
[12:15] <justin> mez: search for flash plugin.
[12:15] <ustin-> i need help setting up a win modem, anyone had to do this yet?
[12:15] <cyber23> crimmy: thats all done
[12:15] <mez> justin I have libflash-mozplugin and flashplayer-mozilla
[12:15] <crimmy> Varanger: (you probably meant alsa-driver, and yes, but caveat: you need matching alsa-lib and alsa-utils, too. I'd skip downloading them.)
[12:15] <Varanger> ustin: what win modem do you have?
[12:16] <monteiro> my mouse stops seconds when opening programs, or changing windows or showing desktop image, is that normal ?
[12:16] <crimmy> Varanger: did the compilation finish? Have you installed the created deb?
[12:16] <Varanger> crimmy: you are right
[12:16] <mez> meh a reinstall worked
[12:16] <fresh27> vdp is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[12:16] <crimmy> cyber23: ok, now reboot
[12:16] <cyber23> k
[12:16] <Varanger> crimmy: I think you should have left just azx enabled
[12:16] <Varanger> crimmy: it is compiling the world!
[12:16] <crimmy> Varanger: "you"?
[12:17] <Varanger> sorry oops
[12:17] <crimmy> Varanger: yes, it will take longer if you chose "all".
[12:17] <LinuxJones> fresh27, your not in the account that was used to install Ubuntu
[12:17] <ustin-> Varanger,  Lucent Microelectronics LT WinModem (rev 02)
[12:17] <Varanger> I meant: I have left .....
[12:17] <fresh27> what other account is there?
[12:18] <LinuxJones> fresh27, look in /etc/sudoers there will be a line that looks like this >> username   ALL=(ALL) ALL  the username will be the account you need to be logged into for root-like priviliges
[12:18] <Varanger> ustin-: I had a PCTel Winmodem, so I can't help you, but try looking here for Lucent help: www.linmodems.org
[12:18] <cyber23> crimmy: thats done
[12:18] <justin> LinuxJones: too bad it doesn't work that way
[12:18] <medkit_> How to recompile a 2.6.10-5-k7 kernel without modules hpt3xx and hpt366?
[12:19] <LinuxJones> justin, eh ?
[12:19] <Varanger> crimmy: It finished building, I'll install
[12:19] <justin> fresh27: run getent group admin, that will tell you
[12:19] <crimmy> cyber23: ok, and luck with X Window System?
[12:19] <ustin-> thx anyway Varanger
[12:20] <cyber23> Crimmy: thats it, no more help
[12:20] <cyber23> Crimmy: what did that last part do any ways
[12:20] <Varanger> ustin-: www.linmodems.org !
[12:20] <spanglesontoast> anyone an expert on alsa?
[12:20] <ustin-> i know, im looking
[12:20] <ustin-> i was just thanking you
[12:20] <atho> hey guys
[12:20] <Varanger> ustin-: :D sorry
[12:20] <crimmy> cyber23: "no more help"?
[12:20] <atho> if i upgrade to hoary from warty (via change in spurces.list)
[12:20] <ustin-> lol, np
[12:21] <crimmy> cyber23: as in it works?
[12:21] <atho> can i keep the version of hotplug in hoary?
[12:21] <fresh27> vdp@ubuntu:~$ getent group admin / vdp@ubuntu:~$     <--- nothing happened
[12:21] <atho> yar
[12:21] <fresh27> the only accounts i set up during install were my current one, and the password for root
[12:21] <atho> replace "warty" with "Hoary"
[12:21] <cyber23> crimmy: whats on the go.... you tell me to do something with my kernel and then leave me high and dry... come on here
[12:21] <imaek> Hooray.  I'm getting a new computer.
[12:22] <justin> since when does ubuntu have you setup the root password during setup?
[12:22] <IIIEars> lspci gives me a pci video card at .01.  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg wants to place it at .2. is that okay?  - Later in the process should i enable Framebuffer and DRI with GLcore?
[12:22] <crimmy> cyber23: I asked you question; I hardly left you high and dry...
[12:22] <cyber23> I don't even know what my kernel is any more
[12:22] <atho> when i try to install via hoary CD, it hangs on starting hotplug subsystem
[12:22] <crimmy> you a^
[12:22] <crimmy> cyber23: ,,uname -r'' will tell you the current kernel
[12:22] <spanglesontoast> what is the diffference between ubuntu and debian?
[12:22] <janux> hello all, I have a simple question, in Ubuntu, there is no /etc/rc.d for me to run a startup script, where do I find this file? is it /etc/init.d/rc?
[12:23] <crimmy> cyber23: I asked you if you had any additional luck with X Window System
[12:23] <fresh27> justin since when does ubuntu have you setup the root password during setup? <-- I had to setup in expert mode because there was a "No installable kernel found" bug that effected me
[12:23] <thr1ce> same as the difference between...dodge and jeep
[12:23] <crimmy> janux: no, /etc/init.d/foo. man update-rc.d
[12:23] <cyber23> crimmy: none
[12:23] <cyber23> crimmy: I have no idea where to go from here
[12:23] <crimmy> cyber23: are you still getting the mismatched error?
[12:24] <spanglesontoast> fresh27 just use sudo
[12:24] <atho> is there any way to do what i asked? upgrade warty-hoary via spurces.list but keep warty's hotplug?
[12:24] <fresh27> im not in the sudoers file
[12:24] <atho> sources*
[12:24] <justin> fresh27: is there stuff for admin in the sudoers file?
[12:24] <janux> crimmy, another question, does rcS.d runs no matter what when system boos?
[12:24] <fresh27> how do i open the sudoers file?
[12:24] <janux> crimmy, *boots?
[12:24] <justin> fresh27: with cat?
[12:25] <crimmy> janux: yes
[12:25] <fresh27> i have no clue what cat is
[12:25] <janux> crimmy, thank you very much..let me try
[12:25] <cyber23> crimmy: what does this mean E: Couldn't find package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-696-smp
[12:25] <justin> fresh27: type whatis cat then.
[12:25] <crimmy> cyber23: you typo'd
[12:25] <crimmy> cyber23: it's 686, not 696
[12:25] <cyber23> sorry
[12:26] <cyber23> I have the newest drivers installed'
[12:26] <crimmy> cyber23: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list onto http://pastebin.com
[12:26] <fresh27> cat: /etc/sudoers: Permission denied
[12:26] <crimmy> cyber23: how did you install those drivers?
[12:26] <REds> is there a way to remove modules, cause i noticed that hotplug manages alot of them
[12:26] <justin> fresh27: do it as root
[12:26] <REds> is there some file or config they can be remoed from
[12:26] <janux> crimmy, o...sorry, one more, if I want to run just a daemon(e.g. ftpd) for all users, so I wanna run it in rcS.d but where do I put this line? or do I make a script file?
[12:26] <bet0x> hi all
[12:26] <bet0x> :D
[12:26] <medkit_> Rebroad,
[12:26] <medkit_> REds, use rmmod
[12:26] <crimmy> janux: if you installed the ftpd via apt-get/aptitude, the initscript was installed automatically.
[12:27] <caine> hey im tryin to install windows media player but its telling me i dont have the updates that i need
[12:27] <nbk> hi, can anyone help me?, my but isn't working
[12:27] <fresh27> i cant do anything as root, it wont let me login as root, and i get that stupid "Child terminated" error every time i enter a password
[12:27] <caine> for wine im guessing
[12:27] <crimmy> nbk: your "but"?
[12:27] <justin> fresh27: use su
[12:27] <nbk> ya
[12:27] <SJChung> hello, if totem-gstreamer can play avi + srt subtitle movies?  I am using totem-xine now. and want change to gstreamer
[12:27] <cyber23> crimmy: http://pastebin.com/291887
[12:27] <SJChung> but the subtitle cant play if I use gstreamer?
[12:27] <janux> crimmy, ftpd is just an example, in fact, I wanna start the jboss J2EE application server, it has its own run.sh in jboss/bin, where do I run that line?
[12:27] <nbk> it just stopped working like 3 days ago
[12:27] <medkit_> SJChung, mine can't play anything, so stay at xine
[12:27] <Fator_Dee> caine: why do you need windows media player
[12:27] <Varanger> crimmy: I built and installed
[12:27] <Bicchi> Does anyone knows of a good shell editor that will do syntax hightlighting and allow me to run the program from within the editor.
[12:27] <crimmy> janux: man update-rc.d
[12:28] <crimmy> Varanger: just alsa-source, correct?
[12:28] <SJChung> medkit_, ok, thanks.
[12:28] <Varanger> crimmy: yes
[12:28] <mez> hmm
[12:28] <justin> Bicchi: vim
[12:28] <atho> OK, hotplug subsystem freeze!!!
[12:28] <mez> my flash is runnign REALLY fast
[12:28] <IIIEars> fresh27 - type users  [enter]  then whoami [enter]  - what do you show?
[12:28] <Bicchi> justin: yeah funny :)
[12:28] <crimmy> Varanger: good. Now, sudo modprobe snd_azx
[12:28] <desrt> has everyone received their CDs?
[12:28] <caine> well i dont really need the player itself i just need to be able to view the video formats for it
[12:28] <desrt> my friend got his a few weeks ago but mine have not shown up yet >:|
[12:28] <tarAnta> Hi, a simple question:
[12:28] <fresh27> su worked, i'm root now, thanks
[12:28] <caine> such as wmv
[12:28] <caine> and the audio wma
[12:29] <justin> Bicchi: vim is a good editor that does syntax highlighting and allows you to run programs from it
[12:29] <crimmy> janux: you'd place the script in /etc/init.d/ and use update-rc.d to create the runlevel symlinks. man update-rc.d
[12:29] <dug> i like jedit but i want to find a non-java gui-based text editor
[12:29] <caine> totem obviously doesnt allow me to view those
[12:29] <tarAnta> can I add an Ubuntu repository to my sources.list of my Debian AMD64?
[12:29] <Bicchi> justin: i am looking for something with a gui
[12:29] <justin> Bicchi: gvim
[12:29] <janux> crimmy, ic....thanks
[12:29] <cyber23> crimmy: did you get the link
[12:29] <dug> Bicchi: like i said, jedit, but if you find a non-java alternative lemme know
[12:29] <crimmy> cyber23: yes, I'm looking in a sec
[12:29] <Fator_Dee> caine: you canview wmv just fine with xine, vlx or mplayer
[12:29] <caine> i cant view music videos from musicvideocodes.com and i cant listen to music samples on the cd sites
[12:29] <Fator_Dee> *can view
[12:30] <ustin-> does anyone else know how to setup a lucent win modem?
[12:30] <IIIEars> sudo nautilus will give you a graphical browser and sudo gedit will give you a graphical editor. in gnome
[12:30] <cyber23> crimmy: k
[12:30] <justin> Bicchi: though editing is about text, not pictures, so eventually you will figure out that a gui won't help with that.
[12:30] <crimmy> cyber23: erm, your /etc/apt/sources.list is severely crippled
[12:30] <Bicchi> dug: i can run shell scripts with jedit?
[12:30] <medkit_> tarAnta, http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[12:30] <crimmy> cyber23: err, sorry, my mistake
[12:31] <crimmy> cyber23: which package did you try to install, linux-686-smp or linux-696-smp?
[12:31] <tarAnta> medkit_: thanks
[12:31] <dug> Bicchi: probably there's an addin for it, but haven't tried it yet
[12:32] <spanglesontoast> where can I find sound card aliases?
[12:32] <caine> Factor_Dee: where do i get those
[12:32] <cyber23> linux-686-smp
[12:32] <ustin-> i would appreciate it greatly if someone would tell me how to setup a lucent winmodem, if anyone knows how?
[12:32] <cyber23> crimmy: linux 686--smp
[12:32] <martii> ustin-: find it on the web
[12:32] <ustin-> i have already installed the dev packacge and its still not working
[12:32] <martii> ustin-: you have to load module
[12:32] <cyber23> crimmy: is there a driver out there for 686
[12:32] <crimmy> cyber23: dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-686-smp|grep ^ii
[12:32] <Fator_Dee> caine: you can start be installin vlc, it's in the repos
[12:33] <ustin-> already did that
[12:33] <martii> ustin-: than you shoudl have /dev/ttySx to play with
[12:33] <martii> ustin-: what /var/log/messages says about that
[12:33] <IIIEars> caine - Do you have sun java installed to link your browser to gnome?
[12:33] <cyber23> crimmy: ii  linux-restrict 2.6.10.5-1     Non-free Linux 2.6.10 modules on PPro/Celero
[12:33] <tarAnta> medkit_: in that page tell me how add extrarepositories to ubuntu system
[12:34] <caine> i believe so
[12:34] <caine> im pretty sure i do
[12:34] <crimmy> cyber23: looks good. Now please paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log onto http://pastebin.com
[12:34] <medkit_> tarAnta, so you can figure out how to add extra reps to your debian system either. It is nearly the same
[12:34] <tarAnta> medkit_: but I need vice versa to know if it's possible to add ubuntu repositories to an amd64 debian
[12:35] <crimmy> tarAnta: it's not a good idea mix n' match repos generally.
[12:35] <caine> IIIEars: how do i check
[12:35] <tarAnta> medkit_: yes I know how, I would like to know if there'll be compatibility problems
[12:35] <medkit_> tahorg,  almost sure there will by probs
[12:36] <IIIEars> caine java --version - better info on the sun java site tho
[12:36] <medkit_> tarAnta,  almost sure there will by probs
[12:36] <cyber23> crimmy: http://pastebin.com/291896
[12:37] <janet> how you guys doing
[12:37] <IIIEars> crimy - You are a Wiz. :)
[12:37] <dug> Bicchi: try NEdit: http://www.nedit.org/help/shell.php#Shell_Commands_and_Filters
[12:37] <caine> k lemme check it
[12:37] <Bicchi> dug: actually i am there right now. you ready my mind :)
[12:37] <janet> I got a question for you guys
[12:38] <tarAnta> medkit_: you know anybody done a live update from Debian amd64 to ubuntu 64bit?
[12:38] <giggsey_> martii: guess what?
[12:38] <martii> giggsey_: what ?
[12:38] <medkit_> tarAnta, nope
[12:38] <martii> giggsey_: :)
[12:38] <giggsey_> version me :D
[12:38] <janet> I am a newbie in the linux world and I would like to know which version is the most powerful of all
[12:38] <giggsey_> ^_^
[12:38] <IIIEars> Janet - read the topic for today and jump right in. - Welcome
[12:38] <martii> giggsey_: whow
[12:38] <tarAnta> crimmy: you know?
[12:38] <martii> giggsey_: congrats
[12:38] <giggsey_> i used linux-usb.sourceforge.net thingi
[12:39] <giggsey_> thx
[12:39] <ustin-> martii, /dev/ttyLT0
[12:39] <crimmy> tarAnta: it's possible to cross-grade to ubuntu, yes
[12:39] <martii> giggsey_: no problem
[12:39] <giggsey_> got to get used to gaim noises and xchat
[12:39] <crimmy> tarAnta: mixing the repos is a lot trickier
[12:39] <martii> ustin-: so config your ppp
[12:39] <cyber23> crimmy: any luck
[12:39] <martii> ustin-: to use /dev/ttyLT0 instead of /dev/ttyS0
[12:40] <Johnnyfav> What's the preferred mp3 player for ubuntu?
[12:40] <janet> which version of linux is the most powerful
[12:40] <tarAnta> crimmy: my principal problem with Debian amd64 is openoffice... it's not a good solution the chroot environment
[12:40] <martii> giggsey_: ok so I go to bed than :)
[12:40] <giggsey_> lol
[12:40] <giggsey_> i should be soon as well
[12:40] <giggsey_> but pfft
[12:40] <martii> giggsey_: glad I could help you
[12:40] <crimmy> cyber23: sec, I'm engaged in a few things
[12:40] <IIIEars> << - 5th week using Ubuntu Linux Woohoo! Eat my shorts Bill Gates!
[12:40] <cyber23> k
[12:40] <tarAnta> crimmy: because openoffice doesn't work good!
[12:41] <justin> janet: open ended questions like that without any context are not going to give you any useful information.
[12:41] <caine> IIIEars i cant find out if i have it or not
[12:41] <caine> do i need it for the wmv files
[12:41] <REds> IIIEars, lol
[12:41] <REds> ;o
[12:41] <tarAnta> crimmy: ubuntu 64 bit works good with 32 bit application or need a chroot env?
[12:41] <janet> for example, between, Ubuntu, Debian, Redhat, Suse, Mandrake, and Slackware
[12:42] <deviant> how can i uninstall oss sound modules?
[12:42] <dug> janet: I think we would all say unbiased: Ubuntu :)
[12:42] <lilubu> i cannot find kernel-k7 in the repositories
[12:42] <transgress> deviant: how'd you get the oss sound modules?  and try rmmod
[12:42] <IIIEars> caine - Likely you don't have the sun java runtime environment. - You can download it from the Sun site and check the Ubuntu.org/wiki/ for installation instructions
[12:42] <janet> I am currently using ubuntu
[12:42] <transgress> lilubu: it's there... i'm running it
[12:42] <we2by>  cyber23 , any luck?
[12:43] <caine> ok
[12:43] <justin> IIIEars: what does java have to do with wmv?
[12:43] <lilubu> is it called kernel-k7 ?
[12:43] <cyber23> crimmy: He is doing an awesome job
[12:43] <transgress> lilubu: let me look... why not search k7 in synaptic... that should find it
[12:43] <janet> but I wanna to know, if there is another version more powerful than this one
[12:43] <lilubu> very well
[12:43] <Varanger> crimmy: I installed the driver but not get audio yet !!!
[12:43] <IIIEars> He had said he couldn't play wmv from websites no?
[12:43] <Varanger> crimmy : :(
[12:43] <cyber23> we2by: there was a few problems
[12:43] <deviant> transgress: i`ve tryied modprobe -r, but doesen`t work
[12:44] <justin> IIIEars: yes, and what does java have to do with wmv?
[12:44] <transgress> linux-image-2.6.10-5-k7
[12:44] <transgress> deviant: did you install the OSS modules?
[12:44] <janet> I feel that you guys ignore my questions
[12:44] <IIIEars> You need to link your browser to gnome.
[12:44] <dug> janet: OK, Ubuntu is very good and probably the most popular.  Mandriva is also good, it is more up to date because they just released a version, but you have to purchase it or else go thru complicated steps to download it
[12:44] <crimmy> cyber23: you seem to have a newer X Window System driver
[12:44] <transgress> janet: it's because we hate you.  or perhaps we just missed it
[12:44] <janet> Does anybody knows what I'm asking
[12:44] <imaek> It would make me very sad if there were a 'sudo apt-get install AOL'
[12:44] <imaek> :(
[12:44] <flex_> I cant install linux-image from ubuntu autoupdate because of ndiswrapper.ko will be overwritten, any way to fix this?
[12:44] <crimmy> cyber23: the version of the kernel driver, on the other hand, is older
[12:44] <benplaut> yahooooo! gnome-panel working again!
[12:45] <crimmy> cyber23: from where did you install the X Window System driver?
[12:45] <justin> janet: no ones knows what you are asking, since all you asked is which one is more "powerful" which means nothing
[12:45] <transgress> imaek: well turn off any non free repo's and you'll never even get anything close to that.
[12:45] <Varanger> crimmy: I installed the driver but not get audio yet !!!
[12:45] <cyber23> crimmy: not sure
[12:45] <transgress> flex_: yeah... reinstall ndiswrapper
[12:45] <janet> Thanks
[12:45] <crimmy> tarAnta: need a 32chroot
[12:45] <flex_> how do I unload it?
[12:45] <LinuxJones> justin, why don't you go back to #debian ?
[12:45] <crimmy> tarAnta: (for 32-bit apps)
[12:45] <deviant> transgress: i`m not sure. i think i did when i`ve fixed my sound card. but now i`m using ALSA. and when i compile mplayer, it won`t compile with alsa suport :(
[12:45] <imaek> transgress: Heh.  I was just saying. If AOL ported to Linux I would loose all faith in humanity.
[12:46] <crimmy> deviant: that's probably because you didn't install libasound2-dev prior to compiling mplayer.
[12:46] <transgress> imaek: let them port it... i don't think it'll be added to the repo's...
[12:46] <transgress> or used for that matter
[12:46] <Sh4d_aw> FRANCE SAID NO !!!
[12:46] <justin> LinuxJones: I didn't see you answer the question.
[12:46] <medkit_> Hell, removing a Kernel module is so difficult
[12:46] <maggots> .canalpassofundo.com.br
[12:46] <justin> LinuxJones: I was the only one polite enough to tell her that the question was unanswerable
[12:46] <tarAnta> crimmy: the same of Debian amd64 then?
[12:46] <cyber23> crimmy: is there anything I can do
[12:46] <crimmy> tarAnta: currently, very similar.
[12:46] <transgress> medkit_: i had a great way of removing one to get fglrx to work... i deleted the module and rebooted.  worked.
[12:47] <deviant> crashy: ohhh, yeah :D
[12:47] <medkit_> transgress, wich one did u delete?
[12:47] <crimmy> cyber23: need to figure out how you got that newer fglrx driver for X Window System
[12:47] <transgress> medkit_: nvidia.ko
[12:47] <IIIEars> imaek - there is an aol dialer to get you online with AOL. - it won't work comepletly with the AOL browser from what i understand.
[12:47] <cyber23> crimmy: is there any way to remove it
[12:47] <deviant> crimmy: one more question: what the hell do ihave to do to compile mplayer with video out xv suport ?
[12:48] <medkit_> transgress, i don't dare to do that with linked-in Kernel modules
[12:48] <imaek> Ah.
[12:48] <justin> IIIEars: wtf does "You need to link your browser to gnome" mean?
[12:48] <tarAnta> crimmy: do you know if it's possible to compile natively openoffice 2.0 for 64bit?
[12:48] <transgress> medkit_: heh yeah probably not always a good idea
[12:48] <Varanger> crimmy: I get a "Can't open default sound device!" msg when using mpg123 ....
[12:50] <medkit_> transgress, you have a hint how to recompile a kernel without 2 certain modules?
[12:50] <IIIEars> justin - many browser plug-ins to play media use java as the communication interface to pass instructions back and forth.
[12:50] <crimmy> cyber23: ah, I see your problem.
[12:50] <justin> IIIEars: many browser plugins like what for example?
[12:51] <crimmy> cyber23: you have xorg-driver-fglrx from Breezy, but you're running Hoary.
[12:51] <crimmy> cyber23: (bad idea!)
[12:51] <IIIEars> justin - was i wrong? - what plug-in doesn't?
[12:51] <cyber23> how do i remove
[12:51] <justin> IIIEars: I'm asking you what plugin _does_, you're the one that says they do
[12:51] <crimmy> cyber23: sudo apt-get --reinstall install xorg-driver-fglrx=6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu10
[12:52] <caine> IIIEars: do i need java right now to get the windows media type stuff that i came here to get?
[12:52] <tsw> I have cheap webcam (ov518 chip) even though I load ovcamchip with modprobe (before or after ov511 gets loaded) it wont use the decoder.. is there something I have missed?
[12:52] <cyber23> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:52] <caine> because that site you gave me didnt work
[12:53] <x_or> I'm getting an error when I try to compile an app which uses STL.  What do I install to get deque, cerr, etc?  I tried libstlport4.6, but this doesn't help.  The app in question is mpegrec.
[12:53] <crimmy> deviant: you need to install libxv-dev
[12:53] <LinuxJones> cyber23, you have synaptic open
[12:53] <dug> cyber23: that means you didn't use sudo
[12:53] <Varanger> crimmy: please... are you reading me?
[12:53] <justin> x_or: build_essential
[12:53] <medkit_> anyone knows how to remove a linked-in Kernel module?
[12:53] <crimmy> Varanger: yes, but notice you're in a line...
[12:53] <IIIEars> caine - to play windows media no. to use your browser to play windows media i think you will need it.
[12:53] <flodine> anyone can help with gnome
[12:53] <x_or> Justin:  Thanks.
[12:54] <caine> ok
[12:54] <cyber23> root@ubuntu:/lib/modules/fglrx # sudo apt-get --reinstall install xorg-driver-fglrx=6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu10
[12:54] <cyber23> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:54] <cyber23> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:54] <justin> x_or: er rather, with a -
[12:54] <x_or> Has anyone here installed mpegrec?
[12:54] <caine> well that site didnt work so i googled linux sun java and found the java site
[12:54] <deviant> what does wthis means: shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory ?
[12:54] <crimmy> cyber23: please don't flood here, use #flood
[12:54] <x_or> I figured that out, still didn't help.  Damn.
[12:54] <Varanger> crimmy: don't understand you
[12:54] <cyber23> sorry
[12:54] <caine> im hopin this d/l is gonna work
[12:54] <justin> deviant: it means you deleted the directory you were in
[12:54] <IIIEars> assuming that ubuntu already has the right codec preinstalled.
[12:54] <crimmy> cyber23: close any applications like Synaptic, apt-get, aptitude...
[12:54] <goldfish> http://www.cb3rob.net/images/linux-sue.jpg
[12:54] <Shuddertrix> no!
[12:54] <deviant> oh ...
[12:54] <deviant> :D
[12:54] <Shuddertrix> vmware crashed when i tried to change a cd
[12:54] <crimmy> Varanger: it means I'm attempting to help a lot of people; please be patient.
[12:55] <cyber23> E: Version '6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu10' for 'xorg-driver-fglrx' was not found
[12:55] <IIIEars> w32codec is what i use i believe it takes care of windows media files
[12:55] <crimmy> cyber23: sudo apt-get update
[12:55] <Varanger> crimmy: ok, sorry !
[12:55] <justin> crimmy: it's 11
[12:56] <crimmy> sorry, I didn't check hoary-security
[12:56] <x_or> Any idea what type of file a .da is?
[12:56] <IIIEars> lspci gives me a pci video card at .01.  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg wants to place it at .2. is that okay?  - Later in the process should i enable Framebuffer and DRI with GLcore?
[12:56] <justin> x_or: what does the file command say it is
[12:56] <cyber23> crimmy: thats done
[12:56] <cyber23> crimmy: now what
[12:56] <crimmy> uh oh, packages.u.c needs a resync
[12:57] <x_or> justin:  Well the makefile complains that it doesn't exist, so I wonder if it needs to be generated by some tool during the compilation process.
[12:57] <crimmy> cyber23: now restart gdm
[12:57] <caine> ok that java didnt d/l
[12:57] <justin> x_or: sounds like that program sucks heh
[12:57] <dug> x_or: http://www.wotsit.org/
[12:57] <crimmy> Varanger: lsmod|grep ^snd_azx
[12:57] <x_or> Yeah, it is dated, for sure.
[12:57] <cyber23> E: Version '6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu10' for 'xorg-driver-fglrx' was not found
[12:57] <justin> x_or: what is it supposed to do?
[12:57] <crimmy> cyber23: as justin noted, it's 11 not 10
[12:58] <x_or> Anyone have other suggestions for recording in real time to mp3?  I suppose I could use sox | lame
[12:58] <x_or> justin:  record mp3 from sound card, mpegrec.
[12:58] <Varanger> crimmy: it says: snd_azx                15328  3
[12:58] <iceman> not sure if i should ask for help here or where ... just set up my wifes computer with "WinLinux2003" and need to configure it for internet access "DHCP" then maybe the network with my ubuntu system .. anyone able to help .. ?
[12:58] <transgress> okay when something is write protected from copying it from a cd, what do i need to change to make it writeable?
[12:58] <crimmy> Varanger: cat /proc/asound/modules
[12:58] <caine> do i need the linux rpm or the linux java d/l
[12:58] <giggsey> How do I change my screen resoulation?
[12:58] <x_or> I cannot figure out how to install sox however.
[12:58] <justin> x_or: yeah, sox | lame would work, gstreamer could be made to do it as well
[12:58] <x_or> gstreamer, eh?
[12:58] <crimmy> caine: use make-jpkg
[12:58] <x_or> I need to learn more about that, comes up quite a bit.
[12:58] <iceman> giggsey what video card ..
[12:58] <justin> x_or: install the sox package
[12:59] <giggsey> nvidea
[12:59] <iceman> giggsey you install the nvidia drivers
[12:59] <x_or> justin:  sudo apt-get install sox doesn't seem to work.  Not sure if I need to modify my repositories, or what.
[12:59] <cyber23> sorry, need to open my eyes
[12:59] <cyber23> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:59] <cyber23>  /var/cache/apt/archives/xorg-driver-fglrx_6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu11_i386.deb
[12:59] <cyber23> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:59] <crimmy> caine: (in the java-package package)
[12:59] <justin> x_or: yep, you need to enable universe and stuff
[12:59] <giggsey> i think its already got them, not sure, i think its on something*1024
[12:59] <crimmy> cyber23: paste the full error in #flood
[01:00] <caine> wait im confused now
[01:00] <Varanger> crimmy: it says: 0 snd_azx
[01:00] <x_or> justin:  OK, if I enable multiverse, is that a superset of universe, or do I need two separate items, one for multiverse and another for universe?
[01:00] <crimmy> Varanger: good
[01:00] <caine> crimmy: what are you talking about
[01:00] <crimmy> caine: download either the rpm or the tarball
[01:00] <justin> x_or: you want both
[01:00] <x_or> Ah, OK.
[01:00] <crimmy> caine: but use make-jpkg to create a deb from whichever you download
[01:01] <caine> ok im gettin the rpm h/o
[01:01] <iceman> giggsey left click on screen .. select configure desktop
[01:01] <crimmy> Varanger: lsmod|grep ^snd_pcm_oss
[01:01] <giggsey> its only got Change Background Image
[01:01] <giggsey> and create some new things
[01:01] <iceman> select display in the list.. opp's you using gnome or kde
[01:02] <giggsey> gnome
[01:02] <Varanger> crimmy: accordig to FAQ, I loaded snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss
[01:02] <iceman> giggsey ... opps im in kde ..
[01:02] <LinuxJones> giggsey, Sysstem >> Preferences >> Screen Resolution
[01:02] <crimmy> Varanger: pgrep esd
[01:02] <Varanger> crimmy: but no audio either
[01:02] <iceman> not sure if i should ask for help here or where ... just set up my wifes computer with "WinLinux2003" and need to configure it for internet access "DHCP" then maybe the network with my ubuntu system .. anyone able to help .. ?
[01:02] <giggsey> thanks LinuxJones
[01:02] <Varanger> crimmy: 7218
[01:03] <giggsey> wow, thats nice a big!
[01:03] <giggsey> *and
[01:03] <LinuxJones> giggsey, :)
[01:03] <crimmy> Varanger: does ,,amixer'' return a lot of information or "no sound cards..." ?
[01:03] <iceman> anyone know how to setup internet on a winlinux system
[01:04] <justin> iceman: I don't think anyone here knows what a winlinux system is.
[01:04] <Varanger> crimmy: a lot of information: yes    /    "no sound cards"     no
[01:04] <caine> hey if im runnin a linux i386 then i cant run a java-linux-i586...or can I
[01:05] <crimmy> Varanger: great. Did you log out and back in after installing the deb you created?
[01:05] <cyber23> crimmy: any luck
[01:05] <iceman> justin winlinux is a redhat base linux system that runs from a dos / windows harddrive ... no swap space .. on hard drive ..
[01:05] <justin> iceman: try #redhat or #fedora then?
[01:05] <crimmy> cyber23: sorry, please repaste, I wasn't in #flood
[01:06] <pschulz01> Greetings, trying to get bochs networking working,\
[01:06] <iceman> im in ubuntu on my system .. got to migrate the wife slowly to linux ... ;-)
[01:06] <pschulz01> Uses tuntap.. any suggestions?
[01:06] <caine> hey if im runnin a linux i386 then i cant run a java-linux-i586...or can I
[01:07] <danko123456> is there a i386 one?
[01:07] <danko123456> if nto, then, yews, you can.
[01:07] <caine> idk im still lookin
[01:07] <danko123456> if there is an 1386 one, then, no, dont get that one,
[01:07] <pschulz01> Anyone using tuntap networking (eg. for IP tunneling)
[01:08] <crimmy> cyber23: you must have installed fglrx from an external (non-ubuntu) repo
[01:08] <danko123456> caine, yea, you get that one., i586
[01:08] <caine> well the java site is automatically getting these 2 diff javas for my comp so i gues its ok
[01:08] <caine> but whats better
[01:08] <crimmy> cyber23: sudo dpkg -P fglrx-6-8-0
[01:08] <caine> the linux...or linux rpm
[01:08] <cyber23> crimmy: oh my, I got everything messed up
[01:09] <danko123456> linux
[01:09] <cyber23> crimmy: ok
[01:09] <danko123456> then follow this: http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#jre .
[01:09] <cyber23> crimmy: thats done
[01:09] <danko123456> if you wanna get it that way...
[01:10] <danko123456> there is also: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre . And, www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[01:10] <crimmy> cyber23: ok, now run that command to reinstall xorg-driver-fglrx
[01:10] <cyber23> that worked
[01:10] <crimmy> cyber23: great, now restart gdm
[01:10] <novaflare> hmm
[01:10] <danko123456> should I take a fever pill if my head h\urts from a fever?
[01:10] <danko123456> :)
[01:10] <novaflare> what should agp aprature be set to in the bios?
[01:10] <Shuddertrix> Argh, my system is very unstable. Can't figure out what process is screwing it up
[01:11] <danko123456> you can try top, maybe
[01:11] <cyber23> crimmy: back
[01:11] <danko123456> there was a message:)
[01:11] <crimmy> cyber23: any luck?
[01:11] <Shuddertrix> nautilus keeps crashing, vmware crashes, gnome-panel is acting weird too
[01:11] <Shuddertrix> danko123456: I'm looking at top -b right now, trying to find a culprit
[01:12] <Shuddertrix> I feel the need of some initscript editing is in order (then some init-switching)
[01:12] <cyber23> crimmy: whats a way to test
[01:13] <danko123456> hey, I was reading tghis one msn group(not my idea) about the techno/rave scene here in Winnipeg where I live, and they have a post your desktop thread, so I post two pictures, one gnome, and one even more weird...and, I notice some other guy posted a screenshot of his Hoary Ubuntu:)
[01:13] <crimmy> cyber23: run an opengl app
[01:13] <cyber23> like
[01:13] <zaphands> Hello everyone. I have P4P800 Mother board with integrated AD1985 Sound card and from some reason I can't use the microphone. Is there anyone who knows a fix?
[01:13] <crimmy> cyber23: or look at the output of glxinfo or the X Window System log
[01:13] <Varanger> crimmy: yes, I restarted thesystem after installing the deb
[01:13] <cyber23> #flood
[01:13] <caine> ok i d/led the java now what was that make-install thing
[01:13] <cyber23> I have an error
[01:13] <Shuddertrix> danko123456: Cool. It's reaching everyone these days.
[01:13] <danko123456> caine, then follow this: http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#jre .  there is also: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre . And, www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[01:14] <cyber23> crimmy: I have an error
[01:14] <danko123456> Shuddertrix: yeah, I mean, I got it from a guy here in the city, I go to school with, then, I notice this guy has it, and it is a bigger city, but not even that big...
[01:14] <Shuddertrix> lol
[01:14] <crimmy> Varanger: did you paste the output of amixer to pastebin?
[01:14] <Shuddertrix> I know that there are at least 3 ubuntu users in my small town ;)
[01:15] <Varanger> pastebin?
[01:15] <Shuddertrix> me, my brother, my wife. hehe.
[01:15] <crimmy> Varanger: http://pastebin.com
[01:15] <danko123456> I did not expect to see it on that groups post...
[01:15] <danko123456> Varanger: then you tell him the url after you post.
[01:15] <Varanger> crimmy: amixer >file.log   ?
[01:16] <danko123456> sure, but then paste that file to pastebin.com
[01:16] <danko123456> or just amixer if you can paste from your terminal.
[01:16] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hey danko123456 how are ya today ?
[01:16] <raDeon> what up
[01:16] <danko123456> not so good, I have a horrible headache, thanks for asking...you?
[01:17] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> can't complain cept can't get ubuntu to install in secondary pc
[01:17] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> :(
[01:17] <Tallia1> hi!
[01:17] <cyber23> http://pastebin.com/291908
[01:17] <cyber23> crimmy: http://pastebin.com/291908
[01:17] <Shuddertrix> vmware likes it memory
[01:17] <Varanger> crimmy: I pasted the result, then?
[01:17] <danko123456> Pop_pa_FrEaK: how come?
[01:17] <Shuddertrix> 3556k free, 1000k buffers
[01:17] <Tallia1> someone could tell me what's the updateserver process that starts sometimes automatically in ubuntu!?
[01:17] <danko123456> Varanger: then you tell us teh URL.
[01:17] <Tallia1> tnx Andrea
[01:18] <crimmy> Varanger: sec, I'm reading cyber23's
[01:18] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> keeps freezing up when setting up system to with hardware clock
[01:18] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> during install
[01:18] <raDeon> Pop_pa_FrEaK, use linux
[01:18] <Varanger> crimmy: ohhh... I used to use #flood now we use pastebin.com !!!
[01:18] <danko123456> and never goes on?
[01:18] <deviant> how can i remove a module defenetly ?
[01:18] <raDeon> deviant, yes
[01:18] <crimmy> Varanger: #flood is fine for short pastes
[01:18] <danko123456> dpkg --purge package? deviant?
[01:18] <Belial> hi i need help setting up NIC in hoary
[01:19] <Tallia1> someone could tell me what's the updateserver process that starts sometimes automatically in ubuntu!?
[01:19] <raDeon> Belial, yes
[01:19] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> nope don't go any farther
[01:19] <raDeon> Tallia1, yes
[01:19] <danko123456> Tallia1: what process, sorry, I dont get which one you mean.
[01:19] <Varanger> crimmy: Ok, muy pastebin is: http://pastebin.com/291910
[01:19] <Shuddertrix> GRR! vmware crashed AGAIN!
[01:19] <danko123456> Belial: what, a wired card? for dhcp?
[01:19] <raDeon> Shuddertrix, yes
[01:19] <danko123456> raDeon: no:-p
[01:19] <Shuddertrix> raDeon: your script is annoying.
[01:19] <raDeon> oh
[01:20] <raDeon> what script
[01:20] <Belial> raDeon danko123456 : i just installed a Linksys Gigabit EG1032 and need to get it working
[01:20] <raDeon> Belial, yes
[01:20] <Shuddertrix> raDeon: I assumed you were using a script
[01:20] <raDeon> to do what?
[01:20] <danko123456> Shuddertrix: he says, Pop_pa_FrEaK use linux, and that is what the guy is using...
[01:20] <raDeon> be neurotic
[01:20] <raDeon> i can handle that on my own, thank you
[01:20] <Tallia1> updateserver
[01:20] <deviant> how can i see if a module is in use, and by which app ?
[01:20] <Belial> raDeon: well umm, i go to network preference and it doesn't show up
[01:20] <danko123456> Belial: is it recognized in System>Admin>Networking?
[01:21] <Belial> danko123456: no
[01:21] <danko123456> Tallia1: I dont think I know that one.
[01:21] <danko123456> Belial: how many NICs?
[01:21] <Belial> danko123456: just this one
[01:21] <crimmy> cyber23: ugh, I don't think it was compiled with SMP support?
[01:21] <danko123456> go pppoeconf in a terminal, tell me if it gets found
[01:22] <crimmy> cyber23: try installing linux-686
[01:22] <danko123456> Pop_pa_FrEaK: not sure what you can do...maybe try a diff cd?
[01:22] <crimmy> cyber23: (sorry, ATI's not my bag. I used Nvidia equipment.)
[01:22] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> it works on this pc np
[01:22] <cyber23> I know sorry
[01:22] <crimmy> cyber23: not your fault :)
[01:22] <danko123456> Pop_pa_FrEaK: maybe got damaged, I really am not sure:)
[01:23] <cyber23> criimy: your the first person that has made any sence out of it
[01:23] <danko123456> should work if it works.
[01:23] <cyber23> how do I install the other kernel
[01:23] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> I'll keep tinkering with it
[01:23] <maxy_noob> Hi Guys!
[01:23] <crimmy> cyber23: just open a terminal, sudo aptitude install linux-686, then reboot when that's finished
[01:23] <raDeon> WHAT'S UP!?!?!
[01:23] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> like ubuntu too much to go to another distro
[01:23] <transgress> cyber23: apt-get install linux-image-2.yadayada
[01:23] <danko123456> yeah, I mean, it should eventually work.
[01:23] <maxy_noob> ya, ubuntu rocks!!!
[01:23] <crimmy> Varanger: ok, lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[01:23] <maxy_noob> :D
[01:24] <LinuxJones> maxy_noob, welcome
[01:24] <danko123456> maybe you can even skip the step?
[01:24] <imaek> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16829117104 <== Oh man. A $7.75 sound card. I'm SURE that's high quality.
[01:24] <Shuddertrix> Pop_pa_FrEaK: That's the spirit! ;)
[01:24] <maxy_noob> thanks LinuxJones
[01:24] <cyber23> crimmy: thanks again for the help
[01:24] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> trying to get a bunch of my friends to switch to it too
[01:24] <maxy_noob> I was interested to know what fonts you guys have for FF
[01:25] <maxy_noob> I'm not entirely happy with the present one that I have.
[01:25] <danko123456> I use epiphany, not sure which fonts it has, tho.
[01:25] <transgress> eh my sound card probably isn't worth much, but it works well
[01:25] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> will try and install it again now
[01:25] <tsume> OsmosisJones :P
[01:25] <Shuddertrix> maxy_noob: if you mean firefox, I just use Sans for sans and Monospace for Serif
[01:25] <Shuddertrix> Got all the msttcorefonts installed, however, so I see a lot of Tahoma and Arial..
[01:25] <jasmuz> I quick question..
[01:26] <danko123456> please dont ask...
[01:26] <danko123456> :-p
[01:26] <Tallia1> danko123456: updatedb....
[01:26] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> Shuddertrix, how did you get them ?
[01:26] <danko123456> ah, so, what about that?
[01:26] <Shuddertrix> Pop_pa_FrEaK: sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[01:26] <Shuddertrix> if i recall correctly.
[01:26] <danko123456> Tallia1: yeah, I know that one:)
[01:26] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> doh!!!
[01:26] <Tallia1> :)
[01:26] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> should of known it would be easy
[01:26] <maxy_noob> Shuddertrix, I don't have any of those.
[01:26] <Belial_> danko123456: i'm back sorry
[01:27] <danko123456> Belial, hey I was about to ask you...
[01:27] <Shuddertrix> My wife enjoys having Verdana for sans and Monospace for serif. She sees a lot of tahoma, arial, and verdana.. :P
[01:27] <Varanger> crimmy: esd     7218 salmenara    5w   CHR   14,3      6757 /dev/dsp
[01:27] <danko123456> did you try pppoeconf in a terminal did that come up with a card?
[01:27] <Belial_> danko, ya?
[01:27] <jasmuz> I upgraded my kernel...To the lastest 2.6.1-11-k7, and i have lost mi sound...Does anyone know how to get it back...it works fine with my 2.6.8.1-3.386 kernel
[01:27] <Belial_> i didn't try, i have to reboot into linux
[01:27] <crimmy> Varanger: ok. mpg123 -desd foo.mp3
[01:27] <Belial_> then reboot back to here
[01:27] <crimmy> Varanger: does ^ work?
[01:28] <Varanger> crimmy: I tried just mpg123 foo.mp3 and didn't work
[01:28] <crimmy> Varanger: but -desd?
[01:28] <danko123456> Belial, aha, well, I dunno, that is teh best I can do to see if it gets detected. After that, you need to set it up for dhcp, or whatever you use. Do you have a rotuer?
[01:28] <Varanger> crimmy: I'll try with -desd
[01:28] <Belial_> danko123456: yeah i have a router
[01:28] <Belial_> danko i use dhcp
[01:28] <Shuddertrix> Wow, vmware is acting slow
[01:29] <crimmy> Varanger: sorry, it's -o esd
[01:29] <Shuddertrix> ERROR: 0210: Stuck Key. Very strange.
[01:29] <jasmuz> I upgraded my kernel...To the lastest 2.6.1-11-k7, and i have lost mi sound...Does anyone know how to get it back...it works fine with my 2.6.8.1-3.386 kernel..HELP
[01:29] <Belial_> danko123456: is it possible i don't have the right driver installed or something?
[01:29] <danko123456> then you will need dhcp, you can get it tghrough that network applet in gnome we spoke about earlier, or, you can hard code it into a file, /etc/network/interfaces
[01:29] <danko123456> Belial, I would not think so...
[01:29] <crimmy> jasmuz: erm, do you mean 2.6.11-1-k7 from hoary/universe?
[01:29] <danko123456> perhaps not the right kernel, but that is all that is possible
[01:29] <jasmuz> crimmy: yes
[01:29] <Varanger> crimmy: with -desd is Can't open default sound device!
[01:30] <danko123456>  it's -o esd
[01:30] <Belial_> danko123456: my last card didn't work either
[01:30] <danko123456> :) nice:)
[01:30] <Varanger> crimmy: with -o esd it's mpg123: Unknown argument "esd" to option "esd"
[01:30] <Johnnyfav> ok, I'm installing an application for about the first time...zinf-2.2.5.....the ./configure comes up with an error with $path...is there a certain way I should be installing this thing for ubuntu?
[01:30] <danko123456> well, go try and see if that comes up with a eth0 at all.
[01:30] <Belial_> danko123456: k, i'll be back in a minute
[01:30] <danko123456> if it does, then you just need to configure it, if not, maybe you need a new kernel.
[01:30] <danko123456> k
[01:31] <danko123456> Maybe I wont be here, dunno
[01:31] <crimmy> Varanger: ok, let's do this another way. pkill esd && aplay -Dplughw:0,0 foo.wav
[01:31] <jasmuz> crimmy: any clues?...i would like to update to a newer kernel, and more compatible with my processor
[01:31] <Shuddertrix> Johnnyfav: sudo apt-get install zinf
[01:31] <crimmy> jasmuz: that newer kernel is completely unsupported
[01:31] <Shuddertrix> you have to add the universe repositories, first, however
[01:31] <crimmy> jasmuz: it's recommended that you use 2.6.10-5-k7
[01:31] <Varanger> crimmy: can I use foo.mp3 ? I think I don't have wave files!
[01:32] <jasmuz> crimmy: that also looses sound
[01:32] <crimmy> Varanger: you have wav files. dpkg -L ubuntu-sounds
[01:32] <crimmy> jasmuz: which chipset?
[01:32] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> danko would it freezeup if there is no mouse connected to the pc ?
[01:33] <Varanger> crimmy: you are right, I have wave files
[01:33] <jasmuz> crimmy: its an ASrock 74gx motherboard with an AMD 2400+ Semprom
[01:33] <crimmy> jasmuz: (I meant the sound chipset)
[01:33] <justin> Johnnyfav: why don't you just install the zinf package?
[01:34] <jasmuz> crimmy: 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Sound Controller (rev a0)
[01:34] <Varanger> crimmy: I've got audio!!!!!!!!! but now what can I do mpg123 ?
[01:34] <jasmuz> crimmy: that is the result of lspci
[01:34] <Varanger> jasmuz: try: modprobe cmpci
[01:34] <crimmy> jasmuz: I need the -vv version, paste in #flood
[01:35] <cyber23> crimmy: back, was do I do now
[01:35] <crimmy> cyber23: test again.
[01:35] <Johnnyfav> ok...
[01:35] <crimmy> cyber23: if it fails, paste X Window System log to pastebin, and tell me the url.
[01:35] <Johnnyfav> how do I install the zinf package
[01:36] <Johnnyfav> I'm new to this
[01:36] <crimmy> Johnnyfav: reread what Shuddertrix typed.
[01:36] <jasmuz> crimmy:  done
[01:36] <cyber23> crimmy: guess what
[01:36] <Johnnyfav> I did
[01:36] <Johnnyfav> the pakage isn't found
[01:36] <Shuddertrix> Someone tell Johnnyfav the link on how to add the universe/multiverse repositories. I forgot the link again.
[01:36] <Johnnyfav> and I changed the hoary thing to that ..yes
[01:36] <jasmuz> crimmy: by the way in not using the latest kernel right now
[01:36] <dabaSlon> Johnnyfav ^^ enable universe
[01:36] <cyber23> crimmy: ITS WORKING
[01:36] <crimmy> jasmuz: err, that's the oss module.
[01:36] <Johnnyfav> already did
[01:36] <crimmy> jasmuz: why are you using oss instead of alsa?
[01:36] <Shuddertrix> Johnnyfav: sudo apt-get update
[01:37] <dabaSlon> cyber23 excellent
[01:37] <Johnnyfav> errors come up
[01:37] <Shuddertrix> Johnnyfav: Then, sudo apt-get install zinf
[01:37] <cyber23> WOOOOHOOO
[01:37] <dabaSlon> Johnnyfav aftger you add a repo, you need a sudo apt-get update
[01:37] <jasmuz> crimmy: let me check wich is the default sink for Gnome
[01:37] <Johnnyfav> main universe multiverse restricted
[01:37] <Johnnyfav> that's what I typed in
[01:38] <Johnnyfav> for the backports
[01:38] <Johnnyfav> and the source hoary
[01:38] <jasmuz> crimmy:  it says default sink : Alsa
[01:38] <dabaSlon> just a sec
[01:38] <cyber23> getting an error with WIne directdraw HAL
[01:38] <GXT_23> Nabend
[01:38] <dr_willis> cyber23,  yea - seen that issue with some games befor. :(
[01:38] <crimmy> jasmuz: well, that's no surprise. You've loaded the oss modules (which conflict with alsa ones), therefore alsa won't work.
[01:38] <cyber23> but the game work
[01:38] <dr_willis> cyber23,  oh? wat game?
[01:39] <cyber23> on cedegas site theye say it works
[01:39] <jasmuz> crimmy: then how can i load the alsa ones as default?
[01:39] <Johnnyfav> error 403 forbidden comes up
[01:39] <dr_willis> cyber23,  you are saying they SAY ot works.. but it dosent? :P
[01:39] <cyber23> star wars knights of the old republic II
[01:39] <crimmy> jasmuz: load the snd-cmipci module instead
[01:39] <novaflare> im still digging around for general d3d tweaks for cedega
[01:39] <Shuddertrix> novaflare: you've asked #cedega, right?
[01:40] <Belial_> danko123456: im back
[01:40] <novaflare> yup no answer yet
[01:40] <novaflare> brb dog wanting out
[01:40] <Belial_> danko123456: pppoeconf didn't see it
[01:40] <jasmuz> crimmy: but how can i make it default so it will work with my normal setup?
[01:40] <Varanger> crimmy: I've got sound !!!!!!!
[01:40] <dabaSlon> Johnnyfav who said anything about backports?
[01:40] <whitti> I have a Windows 98 disc here which I need to make a bootable iso for VMware (the cd drive wasn't working for one reason). How would I create that?
[01:40] <Varanger> crimmy: but it is not that clear
[01:40] <dabaSlon> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto#uncommenting-universe
[01:40] <dabaSlon> then reload in synaptic
[01:41] <dabaSlon> and search for your program, I think.
[01:41] <dabaSlon> Belial_ and?
[01:41] <dabaSlon> Belial_ ah, not sure then.
[01:41] <Belial_> dabaSlon: oh hi
[01:41] <dabaSlon> crimmy is there a reason an NIC would not be detected?
[01:41] <Belial_> dabaSlon: well what can i do
[01:41] <Belial_> dabaSlon: let me ask you this, what are the normal steps for installing a NIC
[01:42] <Belial_> dabaSlon: i may not have done somethign u may think really obvious
[01:42] <dabaSlon> PNP (plugnPlay
[01:42] <jasmuz> crimmy: im gonna try that...thanks
[01:42] <Belial_> dabaSlon: oh
[01:42] <dabaSlon> just a sec, let me see what crimmy has to say about it.
[01:42] <Belial_> ok thanks
[01:42] <dabaSlon> welcome
[01:43] <dabaSlon> tell me the make and model, 2, so we can google it.
[01:43] <Belial_> Linksys EG1032
[01:43] <crimmy> dabaSlon: [e] isa nics probably won't make the cut
[01:43] <Shuddertrix> whitti: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=win98.iso
[01:43] <crimmy> Varanger: which audio sink are you using now?
[01:44] <Shuddertrix> whitti: that assumes that your cdrom devices is /dev/cdrom and you want win98.iso
[01:44] <Varanger> crimmy: what is a sink?
[01:44] <dabaSlon> thanks, crimmy, Belial_ http://network.free-driver-download.com/Linksys/14924/Linksys-EG1032-v2-Gigabit-Network-Adapter-Driver-1.30-Windows-Linux.html :-/
[01:44] <Belial_> tried that
[01:44] <whitti> Shuddertrix, That created a 350 kb iso
[01:44] <Belial_> those will only work with kernels up to 2.4
[01:45] <crimmy> Varanger: in System>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector
[01:45] <Belial_> it does a kernel version check and stops
[01:45] <dabaSlon> ha
[01:45] <Shuddertrix> whitti: hmm, i figured it might have worked.
[01:45] <dabaSlon> googled around?
[01:45] <Belial_> first thing i did
[01:45] <Shuddertrix> whitti: is your cdrom device /dev/cdrom ?
[01:46] <whitti> Shuddertrix, Is that the default ubuntu setup? I know it's mounted on /media/cdrom0
[01:46] <Varanger> crimmy: output ESD   (strange because I killed esd a while ago)   input: OSS
[01:46] <Shuddertrix> whitti: Check your /etc/fstab
[01:46] <whitti> sure
[01:47] <Shuddertrix> See which /dev mounts to /media/cdrom0
[01:47] <crimmy> Varanger: ok. Is esd still running? (pgrep esd)
[01:47] <Johnnyfav> kewl
[01:47] <Johnnyfav> thanx for your help
[01:47] <Johnnyfav> I got it
[01:48] <Belial_> dabaSlon: so yeah, any thoughts?
[01:48] <spanglesontoast> how do I make something in my asoundrc the default for all players etc
[01:48] <whitti> Shuddertrix, It appears to be working, with the correct setup :). I'll tell you if it works
[01:48] <crimmy> spanglesontoast: redefine pcm.!default
[01:48] <spanglesontoast> how?
[01:48] <Shuddertrix> whitti: what appears to be working?
[01:48] <crimmy> spanglesontoast: tell it to use your desired target
[01:48] <dabaSlon> I am reading:) crimmy, so how can we know if that card he has is the [e] isa?
[01:48] <crimmy> spanglesontoast: pcm.!default { type plug  slave.pcm "foo" }
[01:49] <crimmy> spanglesontoast: where foo is the pcm definition
[01:49] <spanglesontoast> my target is pcm.duplicate
[01:49] <crimmy> so replace foo with duplicate
[01:49] <spanglesontoast> ok
[01:49] <Jormundgand> That little flirt with Fedora was enlightening.
[01:49] <crimmy> then restart your alsa apps
[01:49] <whitti> Shuddertrix, It seems to be copying and the drive is making sound ;)
[01:49] <Shuddertrix> whitti: Ah, ok
[01:49] <Varanger> crimmy: I killed it as you told me
[01:50] <Shuddertrix> Make sure the ISO is about 400mb when it's done.. I'm pretty sure that's the size of the win98 image (in case you need confirmation)
[01:50] <crimmy> Varanger: ah, so you're using alsa directly in essence.
[01:50] <whitti> Shuddertrix, sure
[01:50] <Varanger> crimmy: so....
[01:50] <Shuddertrix> 380mb? I can't remember
[01:50] <crimmy> Varanger: start esd manually.
[01:50] <spanglesontoast> got no sound
[01:50] <dabaSlon> Shuddertrix a site with windows downloads?
[01:50] <crimmy> Varanger: then use mpg123 foo.mp3 directly
[01:50] <Shuddertrix> dabaSlon: Huh? I was talking to whitti
[01:50] <crimmy> spanglesontoast: how are you testing?
[01:51] <spanglesontoast> pcm.!default { type plug  slave.pcm "duplicate" }
[01:51] <lsuactiafner> does marvell wireless cards work well in linux?
[01:51] <spanglesontoast> xmms
[01:51] <PenguinOfDoom> I dist-upgraded from unstable to hoary. Is there a way to downgrade all my packages to Ubuntu versions?
[01:51] <Shuddertrix> dabaSlon: whitti is making a iso image of his win98 cd for vmware.
[01:51] <crimmy> spanglesontoast: is your duplicate just ttables (routing), or does it include dmix/dsnoop/asym?
[01:52] <spanglesontoast> pcm.duplicate {
[01:52] <spanglesontoast>     type plug
[01:52] <spanglesontoast>     slave.pcm "surround51"
[01:52] <spanglesontoast>     slave.channels 6
[01:52] <spanglesontoast>     route_policy duplicate
[01:52] <spanglesontoast> }
[01:52] <spanglesontoast> soz for big paste
[01:52] <crimmy> oh, you can't redefine .!default to be a plug
[01:52] <spanglesontoast> how do i do it then?
[01:52] <crimmy> you'll have to specify it as the alsa device for all apps by hand.
[01:53] <spanglesontoast> that's a pain?
[01:53] <whitti> Shuddertrix: Seems the right size, Now I'll just check it in Vmware
[01:53] <crimmy> spanglesontoast: yes, but it's the only way currently.
[01:53] <Varanger> crimmy: I run just "esd" without any options, listened some noises and I am not sure it this is well
[01:53] <spanglesontoast> bummer
[01:53] <dabaSlon> well, he can make aliases with that option, cant he?
[01:53] <crimmy> Varanger: what noises (from what app)?
[01:53] <Belial_> dum dum dee dum
[01:53] <Varanger> crimmy: and with mpg123 foo.mp3 : Can't open default sound device!
[01:53] <crimmy> dabaSlon: plug can't take plug as a slave
[01:53] <spanglesontoast> wish there was some kinda script that would run on most media devices
[01:53] <spanglesontoast> and make them auto have duplicate there
[01:53] <Varanger> crimmy: noises when starting esd
[01:54] <crimmy> spanglesontoast: you could submit it as a bug, and it'll be considered upstream
[01:54] <crimmy> Varanger: hmm, so esd doesn't work period?
[01:54] <spanglesontoast> could do
[01:54] <dabaSlon> out.
[01:55] <whitti> Shuddertrix: I think I have a bug in Vmware, because it doesn't feel any of my discs are bootable: Would this iso be bootable?
[01:55] <Varanger> crimmy: but I get the same error with mpg123
[01:55] <Belial_> so yeah
[01:55] <Varanger> crimmy: not at all
[01:55] <Belial_> linksys eg1032
[01:55] <spanglesontoast> how do I run doom legacy?
[01:55] <Belial_> ...
[01:56] <dr_willis> spacey,  i think you need the original doom wads.
[01:56] <Varanger> should I add snd_azx, and snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss to /etc/modules ? maybe esd has to recongnize it when loading?
[01:56] <crimmy> Varanger: ok, so basically what you should do for now (until Breezy releases) is change the audio sink to alsa
[01:56] <dr_willis> oops spanglesontoast  :P
[01:56] <spacey> no i don't!
[01:56] <crimmy> Varanger: then uncheck the "Enable sound server startup" option in System>Preferences>Sound
[01:56] <dr_willis> Yes you do! you want them! :P
[01:56] <spacey> i denie everything!
[01:56] <dr_willis> spacey,  too late! your denial is Proof! now if we can just figure out what you did!
[01:57] <Varanger> should I edit my /etc/modules file?
[01:57] <crimmy> Varanger: also, echo "default_driver=alsa09" > ~/.libao
[01:57] <spacey> :)
[01:57] <crimmy> Varanger: no, don't touch /etc/modules
[01:57] <dr_willis> Hmm doom legacy has some data files even.. free levels perhaps.
[01:57] <crimmy> Varanger: (unless snd_azx is not being loaded at boot?)
[01:57] <whitti> Shuddertrix: I'll see if someone can help in #vmware. Thanks for the help
[01:58] <Varanger> should snd_mixer_oss and snd_pcm_oss be loaded at startup ?
[02:00] <Belial_> .... still need help here
[02:00] <spanglesontoast> where is the cedega settings for alsa?
[02:00] <Madpilot> hi again... can someone give me a hand getting Firestarter up? I installed it, ran the wizard, and set it up to run on startup - but now I get a popup saying "insufficient privileges to run firestarter" - what gives?
[02:00] <gbic> dood
[02:00] <gbic> I just told you in #cedega
[02:00] <gbic> pls to read
[02:01] <spanglesontoast> no you didn;t
[02:01] <gbic> sure I did
[02:01] <spanglesontoast> say again
[02:01] <dr_willis> spanglesontoast,   cedega has all its settings in like .cedega or somthing similer
[02:01] <gbic> spanglesontoast anyone know much about specifying alsa stuff?
[02:01] <gbic> gbic yes
[02:01] <gbic> gbic change to
[02:01] <gbic> gbic [WinMM] 
[02:01] <gbic> gbic "Drivers" = "winealsa.drv"
[02:01] <gbic> gbic from wineoss.drv
[02:01] <gbic> gbic [ALSA] 
[02:01] <gbic> gbic "PlaybackDevice" = "default"
[02:01] <gbic> READ
[02:01] <gbic> spanglesontoast where that?
[02:01] <gbic> gbic in your config
[02:01] <gbic> gbic user/.transgaming/config
[02:01] <gbic> spanglesontoast Iah
[02:01] <gbic> spanglesontoast ah
[02:01] <gbic> spanglesontoast ty
[02:01] <spanglesontoast> oh yea but theres no dir that contains config like that
[02:02] <gbic> lol
[02:02] <tiglionabbit> hello.  My sound lags behind the video by a few seconds when I try to play flash or avi
[02:02] <tiglionabbit> what do ya think I could do to fix that?
[02:02] <spanglesontoast> i using transgaming
[02:02] <Belial_> ok i'm going to try to do something else
[02:02] <Belial_> how do i update my kernel?
[02:03] <dr_willis> spanglesontoast,  ters also the .transgaming* dirs
[02:03] <Biff> Belial_: precompiled packages are called linux-image-
[02:03] <gbic> thats what I said dr_willis
[02:03] <gbic> heh
[02:03] <gbic> in /USER/.transgaming/
[02:03] <spanglesontoast> .transgaming_global TransGaming_Drive
[02:03] <spanglesontoast> are the only ones I have
[02:04] <novaflare> .transgamming is a hidden dir
[02:04] <Belial_> Biff: i can use this to update my kernel?
[02:04] <novaflare> under normal terminal it wont show
[02:04] <dr_willis> not very well hidden :P
[02:04] <novaflare> well its hidden in that it doesnt show under ls
[02:04] <novaflare> you can direcly cd to it though
[02:04] <spanglesontoast> doesn't exist full stop
[02:04] <we2by> how do I reload a kernel module like ide-cd ?
[02:04] <danko123456> ls -a
[02:04] <gbic> then youve screwed up something
[02:04] <dr_willis> spanglesontoast,  how did you install cedega then?
[02:05] <spanglesontoast> ah
[02:05] <spanglesontoast> point2play/.winex_ver/winex-4.3.2/.transgaming
[02:05] <spanglesontoast> there we go
[02:05] <novaflare> heres where my config file is
[02:05] <novaflare> /usr/lib/transgaming_cedega/.transgaming
[02:05] <novaflare> type sudo cd /usr/lib/transgaming_cedega/.transgaming
[02:05] <_paul> how do i enable root login on post in kubuntu? anyoneknow?
[02:05] <dr_willis> point to play allows custome configs for each program.
[02:05] <novaflare> (may not need sudo
[02:05] <dr_willis> _paul,  on post?
[02:05] <_paul> yes on the login screen
[02:05] <dr_willis> _paul,  the faq covers this :P 'sudo passwd'
[02:05] <tiglionabbit> I know someone's had this problem before.  What should I do to fix sound syncing with .avi and .swf format?
[02:06] <dm1tri> The ALSA does not function in mplayer, somebody can help me?
[02:06] <_paul> i need to configure apache, and i need to enable root account for login on post
[02:06] <Anubis> dm1tri, esd
[02:06] <dr_willis> _paul,  you really can configre apache without doing that. :P
[02:06] <_paul> i cant sorry
[02:07] <dr_willis> _paul,  but i tend to reable it to the mor enormal way any way..
[02:07] <crimmy> dm1tri: are you using mplayer -ao alsa $somemediafile ?
[02:07] <dr_willis> you can sudo to root in a login shell after logining in as your first user.
[02:07] <_paul> too bad, ubuntu/kubuntu seem like nice os's, but i find the programmers are treating the users like children
[02:07] <dr_willis> _paul,  they are very 'security' aware.
[02:07] <REds> but thats wat windows does
[02:07] <REds> treats people like children _paul
[02:07] <novaflare> _paul i happen to like the way ubuntu is set up
[02:08] <crimmy> _paul: err? Nothing's stopping you from enabling the root account. It's just not done _by default_.
[02:08] <dm1tri> crimmy, yeah
[02:08] <Belial_> dabaSlon: ok i'm gonna try updating my kernel, how do i do this?
[02:08] <spanglesontoast> can't find much about alsa in that config
[02:08] <novaflare> i wish windows worked more like ubuntu
[02:08] <_paul> i dont need someone else deciding what my security settings should be, ive run root for three years under other os's and never had a problem
[02:08] <novaflare> when somethign needs to be ran as admin up pops a nice prompt for pass word
[02:08] <norrbaggen> im running hoary and wonder how do i check what version of XFree86 i run?
[02:08] <crimmy> _paul: as a competent admin, then, you know you can just sudo -s and passwd ...
[02:08] <novaflare> I think point is with ubuntu you dont need to be logged in as root
[02:09] <LinuxJones> _paul, it's not very hard to set a root password
[02:09] <_paul> linux users are more advanced than that, windows yes, i can see that, but not in linux, its not like youve made linux so simple anyone can use it
[02:09] <dr_willis> _paul,  youve learned a bad habbit then.   and after useing linux for 3 years ya should know better, :P and how to get it working normally.
[02:09] <norrbaggen> the check.sh script does not work
[02:09] <REds> if u were a competent admin would u use lfs or debian on its own _paul
[02:09] <REds> and u wanted security in mind
[02:09] <dm1tri> crimmy, alsa not function in mplayer, xmms ...
[02:09] <novaflare> <<<< ive been running ubuntu for a week i think
[02:09] <_paul> im not a child , and i dont like people telling me what my security settings should be, this is not up to them
[02:09] <novaflare> and only other linux i ran was redhat 9 shrike for like 2 months
[02:09] <novaflare> never learned much then thoguh
[02:10] <crimmy> _paul: nothing's being hard-coded for you, do you understand?
[02:10] <LinuxJones> _paul, Debian is a fine distro use that
[02:10] <REds> _paul, how simple do u want kde or gnome to be, its simple enuf to use for most
[02:10] <tiglionabbit> yo guys, I played an avi in mplayer and the sound lags behind by quite a bit.  What should I do?
[02:10] <_paul> yes, and i would like to know how to enable root login on post
[02:10] <crimmy> tiglionabbit: kill esd and use the alsa output directly
[02:10] <norrbaggen> tiglionabbit, try vlc player
[02:10] <crimmy> _paul: there are instructions in the faq in the topic.
[02:10] <REds> _paul, if u wanted security ud most likely use LFS or gentoo and build your own packages and compile ur own sys
[02:10] <crystal_> I cannot write to my flash drive, I get a message saying it is a read only disk.   Help please?
[02:11] <tiglionabbit> how do I set it to use alsa?
[02:11] <sysrq> _paul: if you are the advanced user you claim to be, then you would know that root isn't disabled, it just doesn't have a password set.
[02:11] <norrbaggen> how do i check what version of XFree86 i run? or what is standard in hoary?
[02:11] <crimmy> norrbaggen: X -version
[02:11] <REds> its in a file in /etc/gdm somewere, were u can allow root users
[02:11] <_paul> ive never claimed to be advanced, ive use linux, xandros for three years is what ive said
[02:11] <norrbaggen> crimmy, ?
[02:11] <tiglionabbit> there is a gui setup for gdm that lets you allow root logins
[02:11] <crimmy> norrbaggen: type that in a terminal window
[02:11] <norrbaggen> thanks
[02:11] <_paul> ive never seen any distro other than ubuntu that didnt have root enabled, i found out how to enable it in ubuntu, but kubuntu yet
[02:12] <JDahl> norrbaggen, Hoary uses Xorg, not XFree86
[02:12] <_paul> not
[02:12] <sysrq> as I said, it isn't disabled
[02:12] <crimmy> _paul: same way in kubuntu
[02:12] <norrbaggen> mkay X -version does not tell what version of Xorg
[02:12] <_paul> the interfaces are different
[02:12] <dm1tri> Anubis, which the name of the package of the ESD?
[02:12] <crimmy> dm1tri: cat /proc/asound/modules
[02:13] <JDahl> norrbaggen, xdpyinfo in a terminal under X will also tell you
[02:13] <_paul> maybe ill give mandriva a try then, thanks
[02:13] <norrbaggen> nm thanks
[02:13] <spanglesontoast> some how xchat crashed
[02:13] <tiglionabbit> okay you guys, I already had mplayer set to alsa sound, and esd is already configured to yeild to new applications
[02:13] <JDahl> _paul, where's the fire? you can set rootpassword if you want to
[02:13] <dm1tri> crimmy, root@trambique:/etc/init.d # cat /proc/asound/modules
[02:13] <dm1tri> 0 snd_intel8x0
[02:13] <_paul> setting the root pwd is not what i asked, enabling root login on post is the question
[02:13] <crimmy> dm1tri: pgrep esd
[02:14] <Charlie> hi ppl someone here can help me out with mounting an ipod mini (vfat)?
[02:14] <tiglionabbit> _paul: go to the setup for kdm then
[02:14] <crimmy> "on post", _paul?
[02:14] <crystal_> I cannot write to my flash drive, I get a message saying it is a read only disk.   I tryed adjusting the permissions and it said the same thing.     Help please?
[02:14] <tiglionabbit> _paul: besides, why would you want to login as root?  That's unsafe.  Use sudo, or a root terminal instead
[02:14] <crimmy> crystal_: dmesg should offer clues as to why it's mounted read-only
[02:14] <dm1tri> crimmy, root@trambique:/etc/init.d # pgrep esd
[02:14] <dm1tri> 8587
[02:14] <sysrq> enabling root login from (k|g)dm is rather diferent from "enabling root login"
[02:14] <norrbaggen> anyone got ati 9600 mobile running with 3d acceleration and agp under hoary?
[02:15] <_paul> every time you get in a car its unsafe, should we all stop driving?
[02:15] <crimmy> dm1tri: you can't use alsa directly while esd is running and hogging the alsa device
[02:15] <_paul> for christ sakes, theres nothing wrong with using root for system administration
[02:15] <tiglionabbit> _paul: only if there was a safe alternative.  What if you call not using root for your window manager and irc chat the same thing as "wearing seatbelts" ?
[02:15] <sysrq> there is for using it for every day usage, priveledge seperation exists for a reason
[02:15] <crimmy> _paul: if you stop being pedantic for a second and just answer my question, I can _try_ to help, but if you keep on your tirade, I think there's little I can do
[02:16] <_paul> Im tired of arguing with chicken littles, running around screaming the root is falling, the root is falling, lmao
[02:16] <blew> rofl
[02:16] <tiglionabbit> uhhh
[02:16] <Madpilot> wow...
[02:16] <tiglionabbit> what prick
[02:16] <blew> Yeah really
[02:16] <crimmy> eh it happens.
[02:16] <dm1tri> crimmy,  the ESD this twirling together with the ALSA?
[02:16] <crimmy> time for coffee. :)
[02:16] <JDahl> _paul, what is you're trying to do? just setting the root password?
[02:16] <Madpilot> speaking of root... (ducks) how do I get Firestarter to start up automatically?
[02:16] <crimmy> dm1tri: yes
[02:16] <ustin-> where is modprobe.conf, i cant find it in /etc
[02:16] <tiglionabbit> he's gone, jdahl
[02:16] <quailster> hey, I am a new user of ubuntu. In fact, I just started using it a few hours back. So far, I like it very much.
[02:17] <ustin-> can anyone help?
[02:17] <dm1tri> ouch!
[02:17] <crimmy> dm1tri: kill esd, then use mplayer -ao alsa foo
[02:17] <LinuxJones> rolf that was entertaining for 2 seconds
[02:17] <Charlie> someone here can help me out with mounting an ipod mini (vfat)?
[02:17] <LinuxJones> Madpilot, 1 sec I will get you a link
[02:17] <Belial_> crimmy: any help for my Linksys EG1032 NIC?
[02:18] <lifeless> new install of hoary, totem-gstreamer hangs when I insert a dvd. if I quit it and run vlc, vlc can play the dvd.
[02:18] <lifeless> any ideas ?
[02:18] <crimmy> Belial_: sorry, let me look.
[02:18] <sysrq> Charlie: plug it in, watch dmesg for the device created and mount it
[02:18] <ustin-> where is modprobe.conf, i cant find it in /etc
[02:18] <crimmy> ustin-: do _not_ use modprobe.conf
[02:18] <Belial_> crimmy: thanks
[02:18] <crimmy> ustin-: its presence will bypass /etc/modprobe.d/*
[02:18] <dm1tri> crimmy, uau!!!!
[02:18] <dm1tri> uhuuul!!!!
[02:18] <Charlie> sysrq: i can get it mounted.. but after like 10secs my /dev/sda2 is "gone"
[02:18] <IIIEars> qualister - Welcome!  ("" Ubuntu new user)
[02:19] <sysrq> Charlie: anything in dmesg or other logs mentioning anything about it?
[02:19] <Madpilot> LinuxJones: thnx, I'm reading the Firestarter web docs right now, think I'm getting somewhere...
[02:19] <quailster> IIIEars: thanks
[02:19] <Charlie> sysrg : usb 4-2: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 21
[02:19] <tiglionabbit> oh, I solved my problem
[02:20] <Charlie> is the last thing before it's "gone"
[02:20] <tiglionabbit> in mplayer preferences, I set the audio delay to negative .5
[02:20] <tiglionabbit> so it plays the sound sooner than it wants to, ending up at just the right time
[02:20] <tiglionabbit> hooray
[02:20] <sysrq> Charlie: never seen such an issue with my H140, sorry
[02:22] <LinuxJones> Madpilot, it's in the faq section >> http://www.fs-security.com/docs/faq.php
[02:22] <Charlie> sysrq : also weird is that i sometimes can mount it... but only after like 30seconds after connecting... and most of the time that also doesn't work
[02:22] <crimmy> Belial_: does ns82820 in Hoary not work?
[02:23] <crimmy> Belial_: sorry, ns83820 rather
[02:23] <Belial_> crimmy: i dunno, how do i find out?
[02:23] <crimmy> Belial_: lsmod|grep ^ns83820
[02:23] <Belial_> that exact syntax?
[02:23] <norrbaggen> anyone got ati 9600 mobile running with 3d acceleration and agp under hoary?
[02:23] <crimmy> yes
[02:24] <REds> ye
[02:24] <REds> 9700 and 9800's
[02:24] <Belial_> i'll try that and reboot back here
[02:24] <Madpilot> LinuxJones: got it... I had the Sessions entry set wrong... thanks!
[02:24] <norrbaggen> can anyone give me a hint? im a linux noob
[02:24] <Dr_Melectaus> why is it takeing so long for the torrent tracker to get back up and running
[02:24] <REds> i just installed it and it worked
[02:24] <Dr_Melectaus> ive only got 200 megs to go and want to be rid of dows
[02:24] <REds> norrbaggen, t2 secs
[02:24] <REds> norrbaggen, leme check somethn
[02:24] <norrbaggen> thnx
[02:24] <dr_willis> darn wife called me - and i missed _paul :P
[02:24] <norrbaggen> i got a laptop
[02:25] <dr_willis> and i even ansqwered his question at the start. lol.
[02:25] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> man I've tried everything and no go with ubuntu on my secondary pc
[02:26] <REds> norrbaggen, search for gatos, google.com/linux, and ill find somethn else also
[02:26] <Madpilot> dr_willis: you didn't miss anything, really! :p
[02:27] <dr_willis> Madpilot,  aparently he dident realzie that root cant login - because root has no password.. and i got NO idea where he got the term "post" from :P
[02:27] <REds> norrbaggen, apt-cache search fglrx, check that out
[02:27] <dr_willis> Madpilot,  but heck - hes used linux for 3 years!  :P
[02:27] <norrbaggen> il ttry that thanx
[02:27] <geneo93> Pop_pa_FrEaK:  try turning off pnp
[02:27] <REds> norrbaggen, xorg-driver-fglrx and a few others etc, nps mate :D
[02:28] <Madpilot> dr_willis: I've used Ubuntu for less than three weeks, and knew he was full of sh*t...
[02:28] <norrbaggen> this is why a love linux community hate windows
[02:28] <dr_willis> Madpilot,  Heh heh :P A+ to you!
[02:28] <Madpilot> dr_willis: of course, I don't have any bad habits to unlearn from other Linux distros... :)
[02:29] <nbk> theres something in my bum
[02:29] <REds> norrbaggen, haha ;o
[02:29] <Madpilot> dr_willis: just my windows bad habits...
[02:29] <dr_willis> it really gets annoying that  "how to i login as root' gets asked like 100 times a day :P then they rant about it...
[02:29] <norrbaggen> :P
[02:30] <dr_willis> "i need to login as root because......" when in fact they DONT..
[02:31] <IIIEars> dr_willis - Do Macs use sudo?
[02:31] <REds> course ;p
[02:31] <REds> thats all the same
[02:31] <IIIEars> Mac is the magic word :)
[02:31] <dr_willis> IIIEars,  OS-X has a root account - but they have it so hidden :P
[02:31] <IIIEars> Ah
[02:31] <dr_willis> same with how they have Case-Insentive file names (i hear) :P
[02:32] <IIIEars> case insensitive? - ugh
[02:32] <dr_willis> not sure how its doing that.  and I dont want to fire up another "Case Insnetive file names  Vs. Case Senestive file name" war.
[02:32] <spanglesontoast> what's so good about bash?
[02:32] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> geneo93, it is off
[02:32] <dr_willis> spanglesontoast,  it does the job very well.
[02:32] <Madpilot> back in a mo... going to restart X to test something...
[02:33] <IIIEars> MadPilot - is an optimist.. - grin
[02:34] <IIIEars> lspci gives me a pci video card at .01.  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg wants to place it at .2. is that okay?  - Later in the process should i enable Framebuffer and DRI with GLcore?
[02:34] <benplaut> so...
[02:34] <Zodiac> allo allo
[02:34] <IIIEars> Hello Zodiac
[02:35] <Zodiac> I know I have asked this before on here... but here goes again
[02:35] <Madpilot> back... still fiddling with Firestarter...
[02:35] <benplaut> if i use xfce with gnome-panel, openbox, the gnome GUI config tools, and nautilus, what am i running?
[02:35] <Zodiac> what package is needed to play mp3z?
[02:35] <lsuactiafner> if you want to run root goto your console and run root, or su.. if you dont know how to enable things to run as root as you would like to then you dont know enough to decide that you want to run firefox or whatever as root, running firefox as root is dumb.
[02:36] <lsuactiafner> benplaut : ps aux
[02:36] <lsuactiafner> or run top
[02:36] <spanglesontoast> so why does ubuntu have dash?
[02:36] <IIIEars> Zodiac - gstreamer-mad, or w32codec - there are a lot of choices
[02:36] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hey geneo93 you are a genius and thank you.... I put pnp on and rebooted and it bypassed the freezing this time
[02:36] <Zodiac> gstreamer thats it
[02:36] <Zodiac> thanx bro
[02:36] <lsuactiafner> Zodiac : xmms mostly
[02:36] <Shuddertrix> stupid vmware cdrom.. thingy :P
[02:37] <Zodiac> Man the people in this IRC chat are nice compared to other linux ones :)
[02:37] <lsuactiafner> i use mplayer and mp3blaster tho
[02:37] <IIIEars> << - pleased crimmy didn't have to field ALL #ubuntu questions - lol
[02:37] <shadeofgrey> are any of you familiar with installing drupal?
[02:37] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> Shuddertrix, guess what ?
[02:37] <geneo93> Pop_pa_FrEaK:  i've had that work on 90% of install problems
[02:37] <Shuddertrix> Zodiac: Because ubuntu is well-natured, we are well-natured. It's only.. natural ;)
[02:37] <Shuddertrix> Pop_pa_FrEaK: what?
[02:37] <Zodiac> oh man that was corny :)
[02:37] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ubuntu is installing finally on my second pc
[02:37] <Zodiac> ha ha
[02:37] <spanglesontoast> is beep media player just as good as xmms?
[02:38] <lsuactiafner> yeh crappin on someones head for being stupid makes you a person crappin on someones head but it doesnt solve anything
[02:38] <Shuddertrix> Zodiac:  ;)
[02:38] <Shuddertrix> Pop_pa_FrEaK: nice, what did you do?
[02:38] <shadeofgrey> spang:  beep far exceeds xmms is every respect
[02:38] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> turned pnp on
[02:38] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> in bios
[02:38] <Madpilot> lsuactiafner: ;)
[02:38] <Shuddertrix> Pop_pa_FrEaK: ah, i was going to suggest changing a pnp or video option, but i wasn't sure which one to suggest changing. ;)
[02:38] <lsuactiafner> Shuddertrix :i have a slackware chroot and basically my ubuntu got pwned by slackware, most of my ubuntu runs like slackware does now
[02:38] <spanglesontoast> does it support shoutcast stations ?
[02:39] <IIIEars> 4 weeks ago RTFM would of prompted another question. - lol
[02:39] <shadeofgrey> spang:  why dont you google that question and figure it out?
[02:39] <lsuactiafner> spanglesontoast : xmms is most popular
[02:39] <spanglesontoast> yea I know
[02:39] <spanglesontoast> but bmp supports winamp skins
[02:39] <lsuactiafner> therefore xmms i suppose is better.
[02:39] <lsuactiafner> Madpilot (:
[02:39] <Zodiac> oh one more... what is the windows font codec?
[02:39] <lsuactiafner> umm
[02:39] <lsuactiafner> goto freshmeat.net
[02:40] <lsuactiafner> then browse entertainment and media
[02:40] <IIIEars> mttsfont(s) - ???
[02:40] <Zodiac> that could be it
[02:40] <lsuactiafner> and sort accoringint ot rating
[02:40] <Zodiac> lemme see....
[02:40] <crimmy> (msttcorefonts in multiverse?)
[02:40] <lsuactiafner> umm
[02:40] <lsuactiafner> shit look @ time
[02:40] <Shuddertrix> Zodiac: windows font codec? msttcorefonts or w32codecs, not sure what you mean
[02:40] <IIIEars> thats it
[02:40] <lsuactiafner> Mon May 30 02:40:42 SAST 2005
[02:40] <lsuactiafner> teh late
[02:40] <Shuddertrix> windows fonts or windows codecs?
[02:40] <Shuddertrix> :p
[02:41] <IIIEars> he-h
[02:41] <spanglesontoast> you know the advanced beep package
[02:41] <spanglesontoast> nothing to do with beep media player
[02:41] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> think I'll use XFCE4 on my secondary pc
[02:41] <spanglesontoast> but I'm wondering have people made songs with it?
[02:42] <dr_willis> Hmm.. I dont suppose anyone has seen a BLuetooth Tool for gnome?  KDE has that KBluetoothD - that i can use to access my cell phone.. but dosent gnome have a similer tool?
[02:42] <Zodiac> oh both
[02:42] <Zodiac> ha ha
[02:42] <Zodiac> thanx shudder
[02:43] <Belial_> crimmy: back
[02:44] <crimmy> Belial_: any luck?
[02:44] <Belial_> crimmy: lsmod|grep and modprobe both just return a new prompt
[02:44] <spanglesontoast> can I install rpms?
[02:44] <Shuddertrix> spanglesontoast: I made a cool script to make a nifty sounding song on my pc speaker, but it's a different speaker then most other i've heard..
[02:44] <crimmy> Belial_: I presume you did modprobe after the lsmod?
[02:44] <Belial_> crimmy: yes
[02:44] <crimmy> Belial_: ok, do the lsmod again
[02:44] <spanglesontoast> send us it shudder
[02:44] <spanglesontoast> ;)
[02:44] <Zodiac> oh crap, what repository do I need for the windows codecs?
[02:44] <Zodiac> umm
[02:44] <Belial_> crimmy: ok
[02:44] <Zodiac> w32codecs
[02:44] <crimmy> Zodiac: debian-marillat's testing
[02:45] <Shuddertrix> spanglesontoast: I doubt it sounds great at all, i'll upload it to my space later
[02:45] <Shuddertrix> If i can find where I saved it. My hard drive is a mess.
[02:45] <IIIEars> pastebin the script for beep
[02:45] <spanglesontoast> eventally I'm going to make a nice web site to help people with their woes on open source apps
[02:45] <Zodiac> crimmy you wouldnt happen to have a link would ya?
[02:46] <crimmy> Zodiac: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[02:47] <Zodiac> thanx bro
[02:47] <spanglesontoast> there any gnome alarm programs
[02:48] <lsuactiafner> Shuddertrix : locate file
[02:48] <IIIEars> Zodiac - disable that from apt or synaptic after you get it that way afterwards. - conflicts
[02:48] <borkdox> any devs in here?
[02:48] <toxicfum1> which package caontains wlanctl-ng?
[02:49] <crimmy> toxicfum1: search using packages.ubuntu.com
[02:49] <lsuactiafner> spanglesontoast : i do: sleep 8h ; mplayer something.mp3
[02:49] <lsuactiafner> hehe
[02:49] <lsuactiafner> ok night ppl
[02:49] <borkdox> nvidia-glx in breezy does not installs because of glu dependency, a newer version of glu(which has another name) is already installed, but it wants to install the older one....
[02:49] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hey Shuddertrix how do i change the version number in FF ?
[02:49] <crimmy> borkdox: lots of issues in Breezy, see the topic.
[02:50] <borkdox> crimmy, it is workign perfect for me so far....
[02:51] <crimmy> doesn't that contradict what you just said? :)
[02:51] <borkdox> crimmy, I am talkign about one dependecy with one package
[02:52] <crimmy> borkdox: yes, but that's still a problem
[02:52] <borkdox> crimmy, I can still run the nv [opensource]  video driver
[02:52] <Shuddertrix> Pop_pa_FrEaK: about:config, change "general.useragent.vendorSub" to 1.0.4
[02:52] <borkdox> crimmy, but is minimal... lol
[02:53] <borkdox> crimmy, I am juts trying to report the devs or something
[02:53] <novaflare> hmm why is it Xfce4 has a icon box settings menu? I thoguth icon box was things like desk top icons etc?
[02:53] <spanglesontoast> does sleep work
[02:53] <crimmy> borkdox: X.Org was a fair headache last week, but it should have been resolved.
[02:55] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> where do I find that Shuddertrix ?
[02:56] <ustin-> crimmy, its still not working
[02:56] <crimmy> ustin-: what isn't?
[02:58] <ustin-> crimmy my modem because it was looking for modprobe
[02:59] <ustin-> crimmy modprobe.conf
[03:00] <crimmy> ustin-: it shouldn't be looking for modprobe.conf
[03:00] <iceman> HELLO room ...
[03:00] <crimmy> ustin-: why does it need modprobe.conf?
[03:00] <Shuddertrix> Pop_pa_FrEaK: read what i said, specifically the "about:config"
[03:01] <Shuddertrix> type that in the address bar.
[03:01] <ustin-> because i am installing the winmodem drivers and it is looking for it
[03:01] <spanglesontoast> I might just install counter strike source but I heard they were getting problems with it at the moment
[03:01] <gbic> anyone recommend a good backup manager?
[03:02] <Shuddertrix> spanglesontoast: I'm able to play it fine.. :P
[03:02] <tiglionabbit> what is the safest way to restart x without restarting the computer?
[03:02] <gbic> init
[03:02] <spanglesontoast> kool
[03:02] <Shuddertrix> tiglionabbit: init for sure, ctrl+alt+backspace too
[03:02] <Belial_> crimmy: ok back
[03:03] <Belial_> crimmy: lsmod shows a sk98lin, which i think is what i want
[03:03] <ustin-> crimmy :because i am installing the winmodem drivers and it is looking for it
[03:03] <crimmy> ustin-: no, it should go into /etc/modprobe.d/nameofkernelmodule
[03:04] <crimmy> (where nameofkernelmodule is substituted, of course)
[03:04] <ustin-> crimmy :we installed them in there
[03:04] <ustin-> i mean I
[03:04] <spanglesontoast> I need to set ctrl alt del to do my system monitor
[03:04] <spanglesontoast> :D
[03:05] <crimmy> Belial_: you don't have the ns83820 module loaded?
[03:05] <Belial_> crimmy: no
[03:05] <crimmy> Belial_: did you load it? :)
[03:05] <Belial_> crimmy: ...no
[03:06] <Belial_> crimmy: i went to my kernel source and did make menuconfig
[03:06] <gbic> http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php
[03:06] <Belial_> crimmy: but it won't do it, says something like ncurses-devel needed
[03:06] <gbic> cool list
[03:06] <crimmy> Belial_: ok, I'm not sure why you told me you have an ns83820-based nic...
[03:07] <Belial_> crimmy: i don't?
[03:07] <crimmy> Belial_: the eg1032?
[03:07] <Belial_> crimmy: yeah
[03:08] <crimmy> unless things have changed drastically, that's an 83820-based card
[03:09] <geetergod> should i be able to install programs using apt-get?
[03:09] <crimmy> geetergod: yes
[03:09] <tiglionabbit> yep
[03:09] <Belial_> not sure what the difference is but ok, some old thread on a forum somewhere said Natsemi 83820
[03:09] <Belial_> anyway
[03:10] <Belial_> so what do i do
[03:10] <geetergod> hm, whats that CD burner? Kp3 or is it Pk3?
[03:10] <crimmy> geetergod: k3b
[03:10] <geetergod> ah
[03:10] <crimmy> Belial_: modprobe ns83820
[03:10] <ustin-> crimmy : I installed them in there
[03:10] <geetergod> so would i type sudo apt-get install K3b to get it?
[03:10] <crimmy> ustin-: installed what?
[03:10] <crimmy> geetergod: yes
[03:10] <Belial_> crimmy: i already did that
[03:11] <crimmy> Belial_: erm, wait. You already did that, but it's not loaded?
[03:11] <crimmy> I'm getting conflicting answers here.
[03:11] <Davey|Ubuntu> is there any way to fix a badly flashed drive in *nix?
[03:11] <geetergod> Reading package lists... Done
[03:11] <geetergod> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:11] <geetergod> E: Couldn't find package K3b
[03:11] <geetergod> why does it say that then?
[03:11] <crimmy> geetergod: case-sensitive.
[03:11] <Davey|Ubuntu> from a floppy disk? :D
[03:11] <crimmy> it's k3b, not K3b
[03:11] <tiglionabbit> geetergod: all packages are in lower case
[03:11] <geetergod> oh
[03:11] <Belial_> crimmy: i did modprobe ns83820 and it spat out another prompt line, and i did lsmod and ns83820 does not appear on the list
[03:11] <geetergod> im new sorry
[03:12] <tiglionabbit> it's alright
[03:12] <Belial_> crimmy: sk98lin DOES which i am lead to believe is the correct driver
[03:12] <danko123456> so, I hear that the reason hoary's X is broken is that you did not move over the fonts, is taht right?
[03:12] <crimmy> Belial_: there were no errors when you modprobe'd ns83820?
[03:12] <Belial_> none
[03:12] <crimmy> Belial_: it silently failed?
[03:12] <crimmy> that's a huge bug.
[03:13] <Belial_> crimmy: i dont' know what that means
[03:13] <crimmy> Belial_: paste your lsmod onto pastebin
[03:13] <Belial_> crimmy: i don't know how to do that
[03:13] <Belial_> crimmy: or why it would help
[03:13] <RHyS> why?
[03:13] <danko123456> you type in lsmod
[03:13] <danko123456> in a terminal
[03:13] <Belial_> hey danko
[03:14] <danko123456> then you copy the output, and paste it to http://pastebin.com ...hi, you are in good hadns:)
[03:14] <Dr_Melectaus> RHyS, /me shrugs shoulders
[03:14] <Belial_> i can't get to pastebin.com if my NIC isn't working...
[03:14] <tiglionabbit> how are you talking to us
[03:14] <danko123456> ok, well, type it all out:)
[03:14] <Belial_> on my windows hd
[03:14] <KrisWood> hello everyone, I've got some questions for you all
[03:14] <Belial_> i'll have to write it down
[03:14] <danko123456> oh, yeah, you dont even have 2 comps, right?
[03:15] <Belial_> right
[03:15] <danko123456> crimmy: ?
[03:15] <KrisWood> Does anyone here know how to mount my secondary hard drives at boot up?
[03:15] <crimmy> Belial_: save it to a text file, put it on a floppy diskette
[03:15] <Belial_> yeah
[03:15] <crimmy> KrisWood: place the partitions in /etc/fstab
[03:15] <danko123456> KrisWood: sure, man mount sure does...
[03:15] <danko123456> or man fstab
[03:15] <Belial_> old school
[03:15] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hey danko I got ububtu in my second pc
[03:15] <Belial_> i'll do that brb
[03:15] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ubuntu*
[03:15] <danko123456> Pop_pa_FrEaK: sounds great, how?
[03:15] <KrisWood> I tried that but can't get the right syntax figured out for the fstab
[03:15] <crimmy> Belial_: make sure you load ns83820
[03:15] <crimmy> gah.
[03:15] <tiglionabbit> kriswood: I'll help you
[03:16] <KrisWood> thanks tiglionrabbit
[03:16] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> turned pnp on
[03:16] <danko123456> KrisWood: do a fdisk -l /dev/hdb if hdb is your second hard drive, and use sudo
[03:16] <tiglionabbit> what is the device?
[03:16] <tiglionabbit> and the type of partition you have?
[03:16] <KrisWood> I don't want to reformat it, dankol, I want to connect to my old hard drive and get data off it
[03:17] <KrisWood> it's an ide hard drive, had previously been FC3
[03:17] <danko123456> fdisk -l lists partitions:)
[03:17] <KrisWood> oh ok
[03:17] <KrisWood> sorry my mistake heh
[03:17] <KrisWood> thought you were trying to be mean and make me erase my drive :p
[03:17] <RHyS> hmm.. this makes me remember how happy i am with my 9 month old XP install
[03:19] <KrisWood> hdb1 and hdb2 are the FC filesystems
[03:19] <tiglionabbit> so anyway, the first line should be something like /dev/hda1, where your hard drives are hda hdb hdc etc, and their partitions are 1 2 3 etc like that.  Then is the mount point, which is where in your filesystem you want it to appear.  People usually use /mnt.
[03:19] <KrisWood> yeah
[03:19] <tiglionabbit> okay, so the first thing you want to write is /dev/hdb1
[03:19] <KrisWood> in fstab?
[03:19] <tiglionabbit> yes
[03:19] <danko123456> FC filesystem?
[03:20] <danko123456> never heard of it...until now:)
[03:20] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> me either
[03:20] <tiglionabbit> then tab over to the mount point and give it a place to mount it.  You can make some folders under /mnt to attach them to, if you have several
[03:20] <KrisWood> Fedora Core :-p
[03:20] <Anubis> some wmv files there is no sound
[03:20] <tiglionabbit> anubis: got the win32codecs?  Got esd configured right?
[03:20] <danko123456> KrisWood: Im a new linux user, as that shows:)
[03:21] <Anubis> esd configured right?
[03:21] <IIIEars> "Fedora Core" 90 min install gigs of unneeded apps and still it doesn't work on boot up.
[03:21] <Anubis> I have sound
[03:21] <KrisWood> I've been using linux for years just new to mounting extra drives hehe
[03:21] <danko123456> IIIEars: sure it does, sometimes.
[03:21] <Jormundgand> You CAN customise what Fedora installs, you know.
[03:21] <Anubis> and not all wmvs
[03:21] <Anubis> some
[03:21] <tiglionabbit> kriswood: are you editing the file now, /etc/fstab, using sudo?
[03:22] <KrisWood> Fedora is pretty painless on the install but some things just don't seem to work
[03:22] <KrisWood> yeah, I did sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[03:22] <Jormundgand> Like Samba.
[03:22] <KrisWood> samba works great on fedora
[03:22] <KrisWood> I can't get it to work on ubuntu
[03:22] <Jormundgand> And yes, Ubuntu needs to take a lot of lessons from Fedora with regards to the installation.
[03:22] <tiglionabbit> okay good.  So you started your line with the device, and you give it a mount point.  Next you need to put the partition type
[03:22] <KrisWood> yup
[03:22] <tiglionabbit> what type of filesystem is on /dev/hdb1 ?
[03:23] <KrisWood> how do I tell? I assume it's the default for whatever fedora uses
[03:23] <tiglionabbit> fedora probably uses ext3
[03:23] <danko123456> fdisk -l again, it will tell yuo...
[03:24] <danko123456> sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdb
[03:24] <KrisWood> ok now what options?
[03:24] <tiglionabbit> you know, kriswood, a really easy way to tell all this info is to just mount it once, and then say mount.  It will list all your filesystem information
[03:24] <danko123456> it will tell him with that above, too:)
[03:24] <KrisWood> :p
[03:24] <tiglionabbit> so, say `sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt` and then `mount`
[03:25] <tiglionabbit> um, without the ticks
[03:25] <tiglionabbit> danko: thing is, I tried that command and it didn't tell me
[03:25] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> man gnome is really slow on my 933 mHz pc
[03:25] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> will have to put XFCE4 in it
[03:25] <tiglionabbit> oh, I need to use sudo
[03:26] <danko123456> http://pastebin.com/291978
[03:26] <KrisWood> /dev/hdb1 on /mnt type ext2 (rw)
[03:26] <tiglionabbit> btw kriswood: XFCE4 contains a gui for this task
[03:26] <tiglionabbit> okay, then you want to type ext2 there.  easy as pie
[03:26] <KrisWood> XFCE4?
[03:26] <sysrq> KrisWood: try mounting it as ext3
[03:26] <tiglionabbit> it's a window manager you can install from synaptic
[03:26] <danko123456> yeah, its an alternative window manager
[03:26] <sysrq> just for the heck of it
[03:26] <tiglionabbit> sysrq: is that advisable?
[03:26] <sysrq> yes
[03:26] <KrisWood> neat
[03:26] <tiglionabbit> why?
[03:26] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> KrisWood, its another desktop but less resources are used
[03:27] <KrisWood> gotcha
[03:27] <tiglionabbit> yep, tiny desktop.  The mouse
[03:27] <capi> I'm using this command to try and mount samba files from another computer... `capi is on a distinguished road
[03:27] <capi> 
[03:27] <capi> Default Re: Samba Mount Point
[03:27] <capi> Quote:
[03:27] <capi> Originally Posted by clb137
[03:27] <capi> Hi Capi,
[03:27] <capi> Please read the info in this link
[03:27] <coastGNU> mako: ping
[03:27] <capi> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[03:27] <sysrq> the only difference is a .journal in the root of the partition, you can mount ext3 as ext2 which is what im thinking mount might have defaulted to
[03:27] <capi> then decide which way you want to do it and follow the guide
[03:27] <capi> good luck
[03:27] <capi> clinton
[03:27] <KrisWood> I'm most familiar with kde but right now I'm using gnome because it's easier for my wife
[03:27] <capi> I saw that, maybe I wasn't clear on my question. The guide assumes its on your local computer, what would be the equivelent for something on a non-loca computer.
[03:27] <capi> For example I was trying smbmount and adding the ip. Second I'm stil confused as to what mount point lines up to. It seems to be the location of the file off of the harddrive. So if I want to know what exactly I need to use for mount point. Do I use something like `C:/Folder/', or is that translated into `/dev/hda1/Folder' or something? How do I figure that out. Currently the command I'm using looks similar to this...
[03:27] <danko123456> capi, please use pastebin.com
[03:27] <capi> `
[03:27] <capi> smbmount sambafs //file/folder  username=SAMBAun,password=SAMBApw,ip=192.168.1.2' It says it can't find the mount point, //file/folder is the equivelent of C:/file/folder on my compter?
[03:27] <capi> sorry, didn't know I copied all of that.
[03:27] <tiglionabbit> oh, thank you for that link, capi
[03:27] <tiglionabbit> explains it pretty well
[03:28] <tiglionabbit> except he's trying to mount an ext2 one
[03:28] <danko123456> was that president clinton, Capi??
[03:28] <KrisWood> ok nex t step, options
[03:28] <tiglionabbit> anyway, for options just put defaults, and put 0s for the last two columns
[03:28] <sysrq> tiglionabbit: mount thinks it was ext2, that does not automaticly means it's ext2
[03:28] <KrisWood> ok that's what I've already got
[03:29] <sysrq> especially since it came from FC which uses ext3
[03:29] <tiglionabbit> okay, tell him to change it to ext3
[03:29] <sysrq> if it isn't ext3 it just won't mount, it's not like it will kill the disk
[03:29] <KrisWood> it did mount with ext3 before
[03:29] <danko123456> lets see this xfce4 finally...
[03:29] <KrisWood> I just didn't know what to put for options
[03:29] <tiglionabbit> okay, then make it ext3
[03:30] <tiglionabbit> defaults
[03:30] <KrisWood> kk
[03:30] <KrisWood> so next time I boot it should mount automaticly?
[03:30] <tiglionabbit> yep
[03:30] <sysrq> KrisWood: sudo mount -a
[03:30] <KrisWood> kk
[03:31] <sysrq> that will mount everything in fstab that isn't already mounted
[03:31] <KrisWood> mount: mount point /mount/hdb1 does not exist
[03:31] <KrisWood> :-/
[03:31] <sysrq> KrisWood: why /mount/ instead of /mnt ?
[03:31] <tiglionabbit> kriswood: the mount point is just a folder.  You can choose any empty folder for it
[03:31] <sysrq> also just mkdir it
[03:31] <danko123456>  I guess its not bad...looks ok...
[03:31] <KrisWood> oh yeah
[03:31] <KrisWood> duh
[03:31] <KrisWood> my bad
[03:31] <danko123456> looks like kde a little...xfce4 does...
[03:31] <danko123456> the icons, anyhow.
[03:32] <tiglionabbit> danko: it should use the same default icons, I believe
[03:32] <tiglionabbit> they share icon sets
[03:32] <KrisWood> creating the dir now
[03:32] <Davey|Ubuntu> how do I make Ubuntu recognise newly plugged in USB hardware? in this case a USB Floppy drive?
[03:32] <tiglionabbit> davey: plug it in
[03:32] <tiglionabbit> it works real fast and nice
[03:32] <tiglionabbit> I plugged in my playstation controller
[03:32] <Davey|Ubuntu> oh, thats it? :D
[03:33] <tiglionabbit> yus.  hotplug
[03:33] <Quest-Master> Davey|Ubuntu: Yeah, it should work automatically
[03:33] <Shuddertrix> Davey|Ubuntu: Plug it in, if it doesn't work, I work think that running hotplug would fix it up
[03:33] <gbic> should auto
[03:33] <gbic> in /media I believe
[03:33] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> danko123456, do you like it ?
[03:33] <Davey|Ubuntu> hmm, where will I see it?
[03:33] <Quest-Master> Davey|Ubuntu: That's why Project Utopia rocks ;d
[03:33] <capi> My question was taht I"m using this command...` smbmount sambafs //dev/hda1/Shared/Files username=SAMBAun,password=SAMBApw,ip=192.168.1.2 ' to and try to mount samba files on another computer, //dev/hda1/Shared/Files is the equiv. of C:/Shared/Files on Windows. smbmount can't find the mount point, and I'm wondering how I figure out the correct syntax of what I need to enter.
[03:33] <Quest-Master> Davey|Ubuntu: Probably somewhere under /media
[03:33] <gbic> I think its /media/DEVICE
[03:33] <tiglionabbit> davey: you can say lsusb to check which devices it detects
[03:33] <Davey|Ubuntu> Project Utopia?
[03:33] <nali0th> danko123456 this is as close to me havin a windows box as you'll see me
[03:33] <Davey|Ubuntu> Quest-Master: nope, not there
[03:33] <gbic> davey
[03:34] <gbic> tail /var/log/messages
[03:34] <Quest-Master> Davey|Ubuntu: Project Utopia is the effort for all USB-like devices to automount
[03:34] <gbic> see if there is any info on your usb
[03:34] <KrisWood> ok gonna reboot and test this brb
[03:34] <Shuddertrix> Didn't know about lsusb.
[03:34] <Davey|Ubuntu> yeah, it found it
[03:34] <tiglionabbit> yup, there's lots of ls commands.  lspci, lsmod
[03:34] <Davey|Ubuntu> I just don't know how to get to it :/
[03:34] <gbic> hm
[03:34] <Shuddertrix> "Prototype product Vendor ID Smart Joy PSX, PS-PC Smart JoyPad"
[03:34] <gbic> maybe /mnt?
[03:35] <Davey|Ubuntu> I think I see it at /dev/fd/3
[03:35] <Quest-Master> Davey|Ubuntu: Are you on Warty?
[03:35] <gbic> try mount, perhaps it auto mounted it
[03:35] <Davey|Ubuntu> Quest-Master: no
[03:35] <Shuddertrix> tiglionabbit: I knew those, just didn't know about the usb one ;)
[03:35] <concept10> what is he trying to mount?
[03:35] <tiglionabbit> lshw, lspnp, lsof, lshal
[03:35] <Quest-Master> Davey|Ubuntu: Odd, try mount
[03:35] <Davey|Ubuntu> oh, I need a floppy in, right? :)
[03:35] <KrisWood> grrr wife is playing everquest she'll kill me if I reboot hehe
[03:35] <Shuddertrix> those too..
[03:35] <tiglionabbit> you have to use all those ls commands as sudo though
[03:35] <KrisWood> ok /mnt/hdb1 is empty :-/
[03:36] <capi> anyone?
[03:36] <Shuddertrix> tiglionabbit: They all work fine for me as my regular user.
[03:36] <Davey|Ubuntu> hah! yes, that was it :)
[03:36] <danko123456> yeah, its not bad, thanks...
[03:36] <tiglionabbit> oh, just lshw then
[03:36] <caine> how do i get permission to write to certain folders
[03:36] <caine> Extraction not performed
[03:36] <caine> You don't have the right permissions to extract archives in the folder "/usr/bin/X11"
[03:36] <caine> how do i stop that from happening
[03:36] <Shuddertrix> yeah, just lshw
[03:36] <Quest-Master> Davey|Ubuntu: rofl :D
[03:36] <danko123456> use sudo with the command you are using, caine./
[03:36] <lalo> what's the fancy X lock thingie in hoary?   (I'm upgrading from warty but I didn't get that one for some reason)
[03:36] <caine> im not in terminal
[03:36] <KrisWood> ok redid it with ext2 and now it's not empty
[03:37] <caine> im trying to extract a file
[03:37] <danko123456> so, this xfce is better for memory consumption, and that?
[03:37] <danko123456> spooky, we are glad you are back.
[03:37] <tiglionabbit> caine: try extracting it to your home directory
[03:37] <[Spooky] > ah sorry :/
[03:37] <Quest-Master> lol
[03:37] <danko123456> caine, or use sudo when extracting, altho I dont see why extract into that folder:)
[03:37] <danko123456> :)^
[03:38] <Shuddertrix> Everything you wanted to know about my system and more.. http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/291982 ;)
[03:39] <tjs> anyone familiar with using debconf in packages?
[03:39] <KrisWood> woot all my old stuff is back
[03:39] <tiglionabbit> shuddertrix: lshw?
[03:39] <KrisWood> thanks guys :)
[03:39] <tiglionabbit> you're welcome.
[03:39] <danko123456> nice, Shuddertrix, nice command/
[03:39] <danko123456> welcome:)
[03:39] <KrisWood> next question, my windows computers cannot see my ubuntu box on the network
[03:39] <KrisWood> but ubuntu sees them
[03:39] <danko123456> hehe...tell them they are stupid, and make them ubuntu...:-p
[03:39] <tiglionabbit> you probably need to start sharing something
[03:40] <KrisWood> hmmm
[03:40] <lalo> danko123456: much better; I have been using it for months, but I eventually got annoyed by the simple-mindedness of the panel and started gradually moving back to gnome
[03:40] <KrisWood> good point
[03:40] <danko123456> weklll, they should be able to ping it if they have teh ssame gateway.
[03:40] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> lol dank
[03:40] <tjs> Ive got a debian/config and a debian/base.templates file, in my rules file I call dh_installdebconf. It creates postrm.debhelper, but not package.config or package.templates
[03:40] <danko123456> lalo: better for mem management, that is what you are replying to, right?
[03:40] <tjs> any ideas?
[03:40] <lalo> danko123456: yes
[03:40] <danko123456> thanks.
[03:40] <danko123456> Ill try that, I guess, I have some time.
[03:40] <Enkidu> What is the command to stop gnome from the prompt
[03:40] <danko123456> I have to get a computer working...
[03:40] <KrisWood> does gnome have a samba control panel like kde does?
[03:41] <Davey|Ubuntu> oh boy, I just got 6 disks from my gay roomie, I hope I don't find any pr0n on them :(
[03:41] <danko123456> and its a little older, and gnome used to bog it down too much.
[03:41] <lalo> danko123456: for ex (about the panel), it's rather annoying how much work it is to create a launcher for something that you already have in the menu
[03:41] <Jormundgand> KrisWood: Make sure you're on the same workgroup - gedit /etc/samba/smb.conf and check the workgroup setting. GNOME support for Samba is limited.
[03:41] <danko123456> lalo: aha...yeah...I guess.
[03:41] <Shuddertrix> Davey|Ubuntu: psst.. don't look at /media/cdrom0/install/iso/behere/pr0n
[03:41] <danko123456> Ill see.
[03:41] <danko123456> Its for a girl, anyhow, I dont know, we'll see.
[03:41] <Jormundgand> KrisWood: Also install samba and smbfs if you haven't already.
[03:42] <KrisWood> damn, how do I install kde on this thing.. lol jk
[03:42] <danko123456> Il install warty, then upgrade.
[03:42] <lalo> danko123456: on the other hand it took me a few months to get annoyed at it, so it's probably good enough :-)
[03:42] <danko123456> Im gonna do it now.
[03:42] <KrisWood> yeah smb is running just fine
[03:42] <Shuddertrix> KrisWood: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:42] <novaflare> lol nice shuddertrix heres my system heh http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/291983
[03:42] <KrisWood> and the windows puters see it by browsing to the ip
[03:42] <tiglionabbit> danko: whouldn't it be a lot easier to install hoary first?
[03:42] <KrisWood> Shuddertrix, I was joking but thanks, it's good to know :)
[03:42] <danko123456> I dont kno...probably I should...I would have to burn it first, and test if it works...
[03:42] <ustin-> where do the drivers go in ubuntu, can anyone help me?
[03:43] <lalo> so again :-P does anyone know what's the fancy X lock thingie in hoary?   (I'm upgrading from warty but I didn't get that one for some reason)
[03:43] <KrisWood> the windows computers see its shares by browsing to \\192.168.15.4 but not when browsing to its name
[03:43] <tiglionabbit> danko: it should work.  Worked for me.  Didn't work for any of my friends who tried it theirself though, but some of em were using very old hardware
[03:43] <Zodiac> hello all
[03:43] <lalo> I upgraded xscreensaver and it looks a bit better, but it's not the same thing my colleague has on his hoary
[03:43] <danko123456> tiglionabbit: no, I mean, if the download was buggy, and that...
[03:43] <Davey|Ubuntu> ARGH I FOUND SOME :(
[03:44] <tiglionabbit> lalo: why not just change the screensaver then?
[03:44] <Davey|Ubuntu> wheres my wife when I need her? :(
[03:44] <Shuddertrix> Davey|Ubuntu: GET EYE WASH!
[03:44] <KrisWood> I think windows is just being stupid as usual
[03:44] <danko123456> Davey|Ubuntu: c'mon now, we all know you enjoy gay porn...
[03:44] <Shuddertrix> It's the only way to remove it from your mind..
[03:44] <lalo> tiglionabbit: I'm not talking about the screensaver itself, but the "unlock" dialog
[03:44] <tiglionabbit> so?
[03:45] <ustin-> where do the drivers go in ubuntu, can anyone help me?
[03:45] <tiglionabbit> ustin: drivers?  what drivers?
[03:45] <danko123456> ustin-: I dont think there is a place...
[03:45] <tiglionabbit> ustin- what are you trying to do?
[03:46] <ccc> is gstreamer-lame neccessary for ripping cds to mp3?
[03:46] <tiglionabbit> pretty much yes, you need a lame mp3 encoder
[03:46] <ccc> i can't even get it to work
[03:47] <tiglionabbit> ccc: dunno which part you're on, but um, I've never ripped a CD anyway =P
[03:47] <KrisWood> speaking of sound and such, has anyone gotten 6ch surround on an AC97 card to work in ubuntu?
[03:47] <ustin-> trying to install the linmodemdrivers from linmodem.org.
[03:47] <ccc> ok. thanks. couldn't find anything but rpms of gstreamer-lame which i converted, but it won't work for some reason.
[03:47] <ustin-> They compiled fine but it dont know where to put them because it can't find modprobe.com
[03:48] <tiglionabbit> linmodem?
[03:48] <ustin-> Yeah
[03:48] <ccc> tiglionabbit: i wanna rip them so i can throw away (ok, sell) my cds, they're just a waste of space. =)
[03:48] <danko123456> ccc: there really arent any...
[03:48] <danko123456> in apt...
[03:48] <ccc> danko123456: that sucks :\
[03:48] <tiglionabbit> aren't any what?
[03:49] <KrisWood> I'll take the lack of reply as a no heh
[03:49] <ccc> mp3 encoders
[03:49] <tiglionabbit> whoa cool, when you put in a CD it just starts playing.
[03:49] <danko123456> no,, there is not package called gstreamer-lame...
[03:49] <danko123456> heh.just a sec.
[03:49] <tiglionabbit> =p what's playing it?
[03:49] <danko123456> dbernar1@veliki:~ $ sudo apt-cache search gstreamer0.8-lame ... gstreamer0.8-lame - GStreamer lame plugins
[03:50] <ustin-> tiglionabbit : Yeah, linmodem
[03:50] <pfp> there's a gstreamer0.8-lame but you have to dpkg -i it
[03:50] <ccc> pfp: where?
[03:51] <pfp> i think ubuntuguide.org ha the url
[03:51] <pfp> has
[03:51] <tiglionabbit> um, omg guys, what program /is/ playing this music?  heheh
[03:51] <ustin-> tiglionabbit : its a winmodem, but im trying to use linmodem drivers.
[03:51] <danko123456> my sources.list http://pastebin.com/291997
[03:51] <Dr_Melectaus> http://www.RaceWarz.net/r.php?id=2283
[03:51] <Dr_Melectaus> oh crap
[03:51] <ccc> tiglionabbit: hehe yeah i just stumbled upon that program myself =) weird one
[03:51] <transgress> heh i didn't even put a modem in this computer when i built it...
[03:51] <danko123456> ccc: see my two last posts....
[03:52] <Dr_Melectaus> didnt mean to paste that
[03:52] <KrisWood> tiglionabbit, it's probably that one that comes with ubuntu.. totem or something like that?
[03:52] <transgress> Dr_Melectaus: you so meant to paste that
[03:52] <ccc> danko123456: thanks m8
[03:52] <tiglionabbit> I see no graphical interface here, and nothing spawned.  It just started playing as soon as I put in the CD
[03:52] <Dr_Melectaus> i didnt
[03:52] <Dr_Melectaus> id get done for spam
[03:52] <KrisWood> wierd
[03:53] <tiglionabbit> holy shit guys how do I stop it?
[03:53] <KrisWood> do a ps at the command line
[03:53] <Dr_Melectaus> transgress, meant to paste a link to a pic for a freind in #lub
[03:53] <ccc> tiglionabbit: it's "cd player for gnome"
[03:53] <KrisWood> you should see the process for it
[03:53] <tiglionabbit> but I'm in kde!
[03:53] <nali0th> tiglionabbit call an exorcist
[03:53] <KrisWood> then kill it's pid
[03:53] <ccc> tiglionabbit: oh
[03:53] <tiglionabbit> oooooh
[03:53] <tiglionabbit> I see what happened
[03:54] <KrisWood> tiglionabbit, at the command line type ps
[03:54] <tiglionabbit> I have a gnome session open on another virtual terminal
[03:54] <tiglionabbit> rofl
[03:54] <KrisWood> oooh ok
[03:54] <KrisWood> nm that'd do it
[03:54] <tiglionabbit> and there it is, open and playing
[03:54] <tiglionabbit> that's hilarious
[03:54] <KrisWood> hehe
[03:54] <KrisWood> lol yeah, let's see windows do THAT! mwahahahahahaaa
[03:54] <tiglionabbit> sorry for wigging out there
[03:54] <KrisWood> quite alright
[03:55] <SLicE_> hey guys, do alot of you use synaptic?
[03:55] <nali0th> SLicE_ yes i do use synaptic
[03:55] <tiglionabbit> yeah, I love new login and xnest.  Great for showing off to those poor windows users who have to use the same window manager all the time
[03:55] <transgress> i use it some in ubuntu... use kpackage in kubuntu... but i usually go with apt-get
[03:55] <SLicE_> nali0th, do you get the error when you reload about W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[03:55] <SLicE_> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[03:55] <SLicE_> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[03:55] <tiglionabbit> there's kynaptic..
[03:56] <tiglionabbit> slice_: it means you added some repositories that don't have authentication
[03:56] <SLicE_> ah, but its safe?
[03:56] <tiglionabbit> it's just telling you to use em at your own risk
[03:56] <SLicE_> ok....not so safe
[03:56] <tiglionabbit> well, it's as safe as your trust for the source.
[03:56] <cthulfuego> SLicE_: Insofar as the mplayer repos are safe, sure
[03:56] <danko123456> well, you could use gpg, and apt-key to get them working, but its not easy...
[03:57] <danko123456> not even taht safe, they put that in place for a reason...
[03:57] <SLicE_> cool thanks guys, better ask than just keep clicking ok all the time
[03:57] <danko123456> mostly for missioncritical/important systems...
[03:57] <danko123456> you only need testing, as well.
[03:57] <danko123456> someone once said, like, crimsun, perhaps.
[03:58] <tiglionabbit> slice_: well you always wanna be careful with "testing" and "unstable" sources, too
[03:58] <KrisWood> woot I love the ubuntu guide
[03:58] <SLicE_> they are the ones you get new kernels from right?
[03:58] <KrisWood> windows sees it now :)
[03:58] <[Sp00ky] > anyone use Skype in here ?
[03:58] <nali0th> SLicE_ that msg is harmless, it means that your apt doesnt trust the repo
[03:59] <danko123456> how do you do a server install, is it at that first boot screen where it says press f1 for help, enter to boot, I type in server, and hit enter?
[03:59] <SLicE_> One last question, when you reload synaptic is it better to do a default upgrade or a smart upgrade?
[04:00] <tiglionabbit> so anyway, ccc still here?  What program were you using, KAudioCreator?
[04:00] <ccc> tiglionabbit: no, tried with sound juicer and k3b
[04:00] <tiglionabbit> slice: you should be able to get kernels from the main repository.  At least, the generic i686, k7, etc kernels
[04:01] <danko123456> tiglionabbit: not really recommended that you take a kernel from another distro's repo...but, maybe...
[04:01] <SLicE_> lol
[04:02] <SLicE_> I trust you on that....I meant 2.6.11
[04:02] <danko123456> SLicE_: that was meant for you, Im just out of it...
[04:02] <danko123456> SLicE_: and, I dont know what to tell you about smart vs default.
[04:02] <SLicE_> danko123456, I didn't know if there was a big diff
[04:02] <pfp> ccc: asunder is nice for ripping, though you have to compile it
[04:03] <tiglionabbit> ccc: ah.  Well, I just started KAudioCreator ripping.  We'll see how it goes, then I'll try those others
[04:03] <tiglionabbit> it's ripping
[04:03] <tiglionabbit> sure takes a while..
[04:03] <ccc> i think i'm making progress here as well
[04:03] <nali0th> SLicE_ i always use smart upgrade
[04:04] <[Sp00ky] > i guess i have a common question hehe install Mplayer in Ubuntu ?? is there a guide somewhere ?
[04:04] <SLicE_> nali0th, thats what I've been doing
[04:04] <danko123456> I use apt-get:) I dunno, lately I havent used synaptic that much...well, for searching sometimes...if I dont know what I am loooking for...
[04:04] <tiglionabbit> oh danko: I meant an ubuntu repository
[04:04] <danko123456> [Sp00ky] : yes, at www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats if Im not wrong.
[04:05] <nali0th> brb
[04:05] <Davey|Ubuntu> hmm, is there any way to... unflash a drives "bios" ?
[04:05] <danko123456> tiglionabbit: ya, I know, I made a mistake for the name...
[04:05] <Davey|Ubuntu> (what the heck is that called?)
[04:05] <tiglionabbit> bios: Basic Input Output System
[04:05] <[Sp00ky] > danko123456: thanks
[04:05] <tiglionabbit> the bios is the thing that loads first when you start up your computer
[04:06] <danko123456> welcome, point #9
[04:06] <tiglionabbit> your hardware manufacturer may release an upgrade to the firmware.  This would mean you have to "flash your bios" to upgrade it
[04:06] <danko123456> bah...
[04:07] <SLicE_> Davey|Ubuntu, If you upgraded bios I don't think you can go back unless you reflash.....don't quote me, I only go up when I flash my bios
[04:08] <Davey|Ubuntu> SLicE_: not the bios
[04:08] <Davey|Ubuntu> I'm talking about a CD-RW/DVD's firmware
[04:08] <Davey|Ubuntu> I was flashing it when the app failed
[04:08] <Davey|Ubuntu> now the machine won't boot right :/
[04:08] <SLicE_> oh
[04:08] <SLicE_> damn
[04:10] <danko123456> I am doing the server install, it is pretty cool:) there are two possible options, custom, and custom-expert, and after having been asked several questions I have no clue on how to answer, I rebooted, and am gonna try custom:)
[04:10] <abbot45> would someone be able to help me get my sound working again?  it was working fine.  then one day when i re-booted my computer i get "Invalid Card Number" when it tries to start alsa.
[04:11] <cody_> Hey
[04:11] <Astrak> hi ppl
[04:11] <Lafitte-> hi Astrak
[04:12] <Astrak> good night
[04:12] <ccc> i've installed gstreamer-lame but still can't rip, all the programs i've tried says there is no lame encoding (k3b, grip, sound-juicer)
[04:12] <ccc> that's weird
[04:12] <Astrak> is anyone having freezing affaires with ubuntu and ati xorg driver?
[04:12] <pfp> ccc: have you installed lame too
[04:12] <nali0th> ccc you need to install liblame and lame
[04:12] <Shuddertrix> danko123456: a similar problem happened with my cd-rw drive, but i got it booting somehow and remember it saying it could burn a CD-R at 649x and a CD-RW at 390x, reading at 1190x
[04:12] <QMario> Is it safe to install packages that are not authenticated?
[04:12] <Lafitte-> i have question for any Ubuntu guru here   abou how to add the gui for network cards and wireless in
[04:13] <nali0th> QMario that is entirely up to you
[04:13] <cthulfuego> QMario: Depends on how paranoid you are
[04:13] <Shuddertrix> err, was meant for Davey|Ubuntu
[04:13] <Astrak> Lafitte->> which gui?
[04:13] <nali0th> QMario all it means is that the packager doesnt have a verified gpg key
[04:13] <QMario> I am asking for your opinions?
[04:13] <QMario> Oh, okay!!:-D
[04:13] <Lafitte-> Astrak,  the network card controller util    next to clock
[04:13] <cthulfuego> QMario: yes, you are.
[04:13] <danko123456> QMario: the authentication is there for a reason, but, chances are you are fine...
[04:13] <Astrak> you mean the net tool applet?
[04:14] <Astrak> wht do you wanna configure it for?
[04:14] <cthulfuego> Lafitte-: Install the network applet, then right click on the panel and select 'Add to panel' to add it.
[04:14] <Lafitte-> cthulfuego,  what is the package name  ?
[04:14] <cthulfuego> Lafitte-: Note, if you're left-handed you may need to left-click the panel.
[04:14] <Lafitte-> Astrak,   the little windows  shows connection
[04:14] <Astrak> i thought you were looking for something wifi-radar like
[04:14] <Lafitte-> rofl
[04:14] <ccc> pfp, nali0th: yes, i've got gstreamer-lame, lame and liblame0
[04:14] <cthulfuego> !find network-applet
[04:15] <ccc> weird
[04:15] <pfp> it is
[04:15] <cody_> Hey, Quick question.. Hopefully someone out there can help me.. I try to install the "mboxcheck-applet" for my panel (the thing that lets me know when I have new emails on my server, and when I try to add it to the panel, I get this message.. "The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOMR_MboxCheck".
[04:15] <nali0th> while the cat's away, the mice will play
[04:15] <cody_> Any idea how I could get this working?
[04:15] <Lafitte-> cthulfuego,  you do understand im not in Ubuntu  i use Ubuntu other systems and like the util
[04:15] <Astrak> just add to the panel the network monitor applet then
[04:15] <cthulfuego> Lafitte-: Then you need to probably ask on the appropriate channel.
[04:15] <cody_> Was that directed to me, Astrak?
[04:16] <cody_> Oh, Obviously not, Heh
[04:16] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'network-applet' returned no results.
[04:16] <Astrak> there's a lot of applets like that available
[04:16] <Lafitte-> cthulfuego,  i use Ubuntu also    and its a Sun program they installed
[04:16] <danko123456> dbernar1@veliki:~ $ sudo apt-cache search mboxcheck-applet ... Password: ... mboxcheck-applet - A GNOME2 applet to check your mboxes
[04:16] <Lafitte-> cthulfuego,  i was looking to add it to my Sarge install as well as my Ubuntu which has it already
[04:16] <Astrak> nope cody_  , sorry
[04:16] <cthulfuego> Lafitte-: I can't magically guess that other distro you use or what packages on that distro would be called.
[04:17] <cody_> That is the one I am trying, Danko.
[04:17] <pfp> ccc: do you have the binary in /usr/bin/lame, does it run?
[04:17] <Lafitte-> cthulfuego,  ok  thanks     was hopeing someone mught have any idea is all
[04:17] <cthulfuego> Lafitte-: Maybe try 'netapplet'
[04:17] <cody_> Does anyone know of any other email notification programs for the panel?
[04:18] <Lafitte-> cthulfuego,   thanks :)
[04:18] <danko123456> cody, yes, gaim:)
[04:18] <Astrak> Lafitte->>  try googling "net monitor applet your_distro_name"
[04:18] <Lafitte-> cthulfuego,  BTW   Ubunbtu RULES !
[04:18] <cthulfuego> Lafitte-: Yes, the sarge package for the gnome network applet is 'netapplet'. See also 'apt-cache search network applet'
[04:18] <cody_> Heh.. That only checks my hotmail though, doesnt it?
[04:18] <danko123456> I dunno.
[04:18] <danko123456> It does mine:)
[04:18] <cthulfuego> Lafitte-: No, it doesn't. breezy is completely broken <heh>
[04:18] <cody_> I am looking for something that can run steady on my panel, Without having to have stupid instant messagers open
[04:18] <Lafitte-> hehe  yeah  i broke my system with breezy  hehehe
[04:18] <danko123456> right, I know, its not really a solution:)
[04:19] <Astrak> then... nobody knows about freezings with the new ati xorg driver??
[04:19] <cody_> I don't like having them running all the time, too many annoying people wanting to talk to me on there. Hah.
[04:19] <danko123456> Lafitte-: it works out it is some thing to do with fonts.
[04:19] <ccc> seems mp3 ripping works with goobox though. puzzling. :)
[04:19] <cthulfuego> danko123456: Yesm, the newer packages have new package names and stuff has been moved around.
[04:20] <pfp> cody_: there's gnubiff but i recall it was a bit silly w/ courier imap
[04:20] <danko123456> yup,. I have a buddy that always uses the newer version.
[04:20] <danko123456> I met him today wwhen I was in the store... so he topld me that.
[04:20] <danko123456> His name is Peter, and he is the guy that installed my first linux onto my comptuer, and it was warty:)
[04:21] <danko123456> nice, well, him too:)
[04:21] <Lafitte-> cthulfuego,  thats not it  BUT   very close and same thing  ty
[04:21] <danko123456> It is just that I havent:)
[04:21] <cody_> pfp: hmm, mabye i will try that. I had mboxcheck when I was using Fedora a few weeks ago, Just switched over to Unbutu recently and havent been able to get this mbox check to work.
[04:21] <Astrak> k ppl, gotta go
[04:22] <danko123456> bye
[04:22] <Astrak> cu guys
[04:22] <cthulfuego> Lafitte-: The specifically wifi one is probably not available for sarge; keep in mind it uses a different gnome version.
[04:22] <tiglionabbit> mm...     sleep...
[04:23] <tiglionabbit> I hope I had a positive impact on this channel
[04:23] <danko123456> :)
[04:23] <cthulfuego> yes, you removed many electrons.
[04:23] <tiglionabbit> (is it alright to call irc chat a 'channel' ? )
[04:23] <pfp> cody_: gnubiff was stupid in that it pop-upped any time the mail box's status would change (eg. i read a message)
[04:23] <cthulfuego> (or added many holes)
[04:23] <pfp> nut just when new mail arrived
[04:23] <Xenguy> 3/z
[04:23] <cody_> pfp: really? thats kinda messed up.. i will try it and see how it is, hopefully its not TOO annoying
[04:24] <cody_> I just installed it, It's fairly customizable and lets you alter the popup settings and whatnot
[04:24] <tiglionabbit> good luck with all your ubuntu issues.  I burned myself a live/install CD so I'm gonna go around converting people
[04:25] <danko123456> thanks.
[04:25] <ccc> tiglionabbit: channel, yes :)
[04:25] <tiglionabbit> gnite
[04:25] <pfp> cody_: yeah, i think there's a newer version now, and from what i understand it can depend on what dialect the imap server is talking aswell
[04:26] <cody_> pfp: awesome, thanks for your help
[04:27] <pfp> hmm, is it possible to add a panel button for _blanking_ the display?
[04:28] <pfp> vs. locking it
[04:28] <VaderDarth> hello
[04:28] <VaderDarth> i want unbunt
[04:28] <VaderDarth> ubuntu
[04:28] <cthulfuego> pfp: Probably; make the button call xscreensaver with the correct parms
[04:28] <nali0th> VaderDarth www.ubuntulinux.org/download
[04:28] <Johnnyfav> is there a file sharing client that's safe for linux...like a kazaa?
[04:28] <VaderDarth> not d/l
[04:28] <cthulfuego> Johnnyfav: bittorrent
[04:29] <VaderDarth> i mean for a pda
[04:29] <nali0th> Johnnyfav what kind of safety are you looking for?
[04:29] <VaderDarth> question
[04:30] <VaderDarth> i have a motorola MPX200
[04:30] <VaderDarth> will it work under ubuntu??
[04:30] <danko123456> yup
[04:30] <VaderDarth> can i sync
[04:30] <danko123456> yup
[04:30] <danko123456> evertyhing
[04:30] <VaderDarth> my contacts etc
[04:30] <danko123456> well, not everything...
[04:30] <danko123456> Im jj,
[04:31] <VaderDarth> what do u mean
[04:31] <nali0th> brb
[04:31] <VaderDarth> i am about to installit
[04:31] <danko123456> I nmean I dunno
[04:31] <cody_> Thanks for your help people!
[04:31] <VaderDarth> will it work with the mpx200, which is like pda
[04:31] <Johnnyfav> like adware...more than anything
[04:31] <SLicE_> anyone here use 2.6.11 kernel?
[04:31] <Johnnyfav> bittorrent...it asks for a meta file
[04:31] <Johnnyfav> what do I do
[04:32] <pfp> Johnnyfav: amule
[04:32] <Johnnyfav> amule
[04:32] <Chicago60657> what's the command to set permissions on a directory (not a file)?
[04:32] <VaderDarth> chmod
[04:32] <VaderDarth> sry
[04:32] <Chicago60657> i know chmod...but chmod a+rw /mnt/win * did not work
[04:33] <VaderDarth> ntfs?
[04:33] <danko123456> sudo
[04:33] <danko123456> plus, you cant write to ntfs.
[04:33] <Chicago60657> why does ubuntu fucking lock me out of my windoze partition?
[04:33] <VaderDarth> what is sudo
[04:33] <Chicago60657> it's msdos
[04:33] <ccc> Johnnyfav: i recommend linuxdc++ or valknut (for dc)
[04:33] <Chicago60657> win 98
[04:33] <pfp> Chicago60657: chmod -R a+rw /mnt/foo  <- recursive
[04:33] <VaderDarth> i use to log in as root
[04:33] <danko123456> ok, Chicago60657are you trying to read that partition?
[04:33] <danko123456> mounted?
[04:33] <rj`> any idea how to enable .pl and .cgi on ubuntu hoary apache2?
[04:33] <kevin06> THis is not a Ubuntu question, but I am familiar here and think you might be able to help. I am looking for an Internet Connection with faster up and down speeds, but not as expensive as T1. What should I look for?
[04:34] <pfp> Chicago60657: also, chek mount options for msdos (man mount)
[04:34] <kevin06> Sorry, faster than Cable.
[04:34] <VaderDarth> i am on 10MBs
[04:34] <Chicago60657> the fstab settings are fine
[04:34] <VaderDarth> up and 10 Mbs down
[04:34] <danko123456> ya, ya,...
[04:34] <danko123456> Chicago60657: mounted?
[04:34] <novaflare> 10mb up and down?
[04:34] <kevin06> VaderDarth, Both?
[04:34] <novaflare> damn
[04:34] <danko123456> :-/...
[04:35] <ccc> VaderDarth: me too
[04:35] <VaderDarth> yes
[04:35] <danko123456> sceptical here,,,,
[04:35] <VaderDarth> i get 12MBS
[04:35] <VaderDarth> down
[04:35] <VaderDarth> about 11UP
[04:35] <kevin06> VaderDarth, What kinda service?
[04:35] <Chicago60657> yes...i can read it fine...just won't allow me to move files fo it
[04:35] <pfp> mount -t msdos -ouid=1000,gid=1000 might help
[04:35] <danko123456> plus he says his upload is faster than download, which is uncommon, unless he is using a server account...
[04:35] <danko123456> Chicago60657: try the -R
[04:35] <VaderDarth> well
[04:36] <ccc> VaderDarth: mine only goes as high as 10 :)
[04:36] <VaderDarth> i said up is 11MBPS measured
[04:36] <QMario> Is there a program that I can download for Ubuntu that will allow me to edit .pdf files?
[04:36] <Chicago60657> what's the basic difference between setting permission for a directory versus a file?
[04:36] <VaderDarth> and down is 12MBs
[04:36] <kevin06> ccc, What kind of connection is that?
[04:36] <danko123456> a directory needs to execute to be able to open.
[04:36] <technoid_> what is the default fs that ubuntu uses?
[04:36] <crimmy> ext3
[04:36] <danko123456> so you cant cd foo if foo is not execute.
[04:36] <VaderDarth> using 10100 adapter
[04:36] <VaderDarth> 10/1oo
[04:37] <VaderDarth> it is T1 or better
[04:37] <VaderDarth> it goes off the scale
[04:37] <kevin06> What is it called?
[04:37] <novaflare> well t1 only goes 1500/1500
[04:37] <Chicago60657> i can do everything under the sun as a user to my /mnt/win directory...except write...so i guess the solution is: Chicago60657: chmod -R a+rw /mnt/foo <- recursive  is that right??
[04:37] <VaderDarth> what do u mean called
[04:37] <VaderDarth> i tell u the speed
[04:37] <technoid_> crimmy: know of any problems using reiser with it?
[04:37] <Chicago60657> sorry for the cut n paste
[04:37] <novaflare> just has a dump load more accual band width than cable wireless or dsl
[04:37] <kevin06> Well, Cable connections ranged near 4 megs...
[04:37] <danko123456> 10MBps is not what your connection is, to the best of my knowledge:0-P
[04:38] <kevin06> It is cable. T1 is faster...
[04:38] <VaderDarth> mate
[04:38] <VaderDarth> I am directly connected to a 1000MBs
[04:38] <novaflare> na guys some people are getting sickenly fast cable connections
[04:38] <kevin06> Ah.
[04:38] <VaderDarth> through a 10MBs switch
[04:38] <Chicago60657> one more question please...how come i can't boot into gnome as root and do these permission issue that way?
[04:38] <QMario> Is there a program that I can download for Ubuntu that will allow me to edit .pdf files?
[04:39] <kevin06> Ubuntu disab;es root login.
[04:39] <danko123456> you would have to enable it, it is disabled by7 default, Chicago60657.
[04:39] <sysrq> kevin06: no it doesn't, it defaults to having no root password set
[04:39] <danko123456> QMario: well, the essence of pdf files is that they are like pictures, I think, try gimp or something...
[04:39] <pfp> Chicago60657: does ubuntu show _you_ as owner of the files under /mnt/win?
[04:39] <kevin06> sysrq, sorry then.
[04:39] <sysrq> Chicago60657: you can't do it from a root shell, sudo -s?
[04:39] <^thehatsrule^> no it does disable the root login... doesnt it?
[04:39] <VaderDarth> i can d/l ubuntu in 1 min
[04:39] <danko123456> does, yeah...
[04:40] <sysrq> no
[04:40] <^thehatsrule^> mhmm
[04:40] <Chicago60657> well i can boot "recovery mode" which boots and brings me to a root prompt...but startx doesn't work and gdm just brings up the login screen...which of course, i can't log in as root.
[04:40] <kevin06> sysrq, Trying that on my computer prompted a message that Rott logins were disabled, and I did an standard install of hoary.
[04:40] <danko123456> you are very cool, but I dont believe you that there is a 10MB/s conenction for upload anywhere...
[04:40] <danko123456> Unless you are at a university, or something like that.
[04:40] <sysrq> kevin06: thats nice, all you have to do is set a root password and you can login just fine
[04:40] <VaderDarth> yes i am on the Janet
[04:40] <kevin06> Danko123456, It would be nice though, to have that upload.
[04:40] <danko123456> sysrq: there is also a checkbox to allow root login to gnome...
[04:40] <VaderDarth> JANET
[04:41] <danko123456> kevin06: well, usually ppl like more download:)
[04:41] <ccc> kevin06: it's fibre. you can choose 100 mbit, but that's more expensive and has a 300 gb/month limit, which sucks. :( i think 10 mbit is about 30 euros a month here.
[04:41] <danko123456> Ill google^
[04:41] <pfp> i think logging in to gnome as root would cause more problems than solve them :)
[04:41] <Chicago60657> pfp no i'm not the owner of the /mnt/win or it's files...i just want root to chmod my userid with write permission to the windoze hard drive...that's all!
[04:41] <sysrq> danko123456: if you can use gnome via gdm as root is rather different from disabling/enabling root login
[04:41] <VaderDarth> http://www.mirror.ac.uk/
[04:41] <VaderDarth> is where i d/l isos
[04:41] <Chicago60657> look...i don't really give a fuck if i ruin the ubuntu installation...it's just a toy for now
[04:42] <kevin06> ccc, wow. Net connections are signifigantly cheaper there,
[04:42] <VaderDarth> it is at 1000GBs
[04:42] <sysrq> Chicago60657: use the uid option for mount/fstab to map them to the use you want
[04:42] <sysrq> s/use/user/
[04:42] <danko123456> VaderDarth: http://www.ja.net/connect/general-tariffs.html ...
[04:42] <pfp> Chicago60657: you cant change the ownership of windoze files that way, because FAT doesn't know about file owners
[04:42] <kevin06> Alright, lemme ask this differently. What kinds of connections offer speeds above cable?
[04:42] <Chicago60657> oh...and a warning...i was playing a cd with .flac files on it...i had a small black marker smudge on the read side of the cd...when i got to the track with the ink blotch on it...it totally crashed ubuntu
[04:42] <sysrq> kevin06: that really isn't relating to ubuntu
[04:42] <danko123456> sysrq: wasnt he talking about the other, tho?
[04:43] <QMario> Is there a better PDF viewer than xpdf available?
[04:43] <kevin06> danko123456, Yeah, but I do small time hosting...
[04:43] <crimmy> evince, QMario?
[04:43] <Shuddertrix> kevin06: the mind?
[04:43] <mpm> anyone using a digital voice recorder with ubuntu?  I'm looking for something that will be ideally in mp3 format already for uploading to the web
[04:43] <ccc> kevin06: dsl... adsl/vdsl
[04:43] <pfp> Chicago60657: thats why you have to specify uig=chicago,gid=chicago on mount options (fstab), replacing chicago w/ your userid
[04:43] <kevin06> sysrq, Forgive me. If you would prefer me to take it off channel, I can do so...
[04:43] <danko123456> thanks, crimmy, another one for the collection:)
[04:43] <VaderDarth> i pay 25 per month
[04:44] <sysrq> Chicago60657: it crashed ubuntu? I wasn't aware ubuntu was a program? perhaps it crashed X or caused a kernel lockup. When reporting such things you need to provide information usefull for debuging
[04:44] <danko123456> for that speed, no you dont.
[04:44] <SLicE_> anyone here use kernel 2.6.11 with ubuntu?
[04:44] <Chicago60657> i just don't understand why it's such a big issue writing to the windoze drive, when other live cds let you do it justf fine
[04:44] <VaderDarth> well it is not my house
[04:44] <Shuddertrix> kevin06: if you mean coaxial, then probably ethernet or fiber..
[04:44] <danko123456> well, I dont wanna argue this further, you know the fact, I know my opinion:)
[04:44] <Chicago60657> so i think it's an ubuntu issue
[04:44] <VaderDarth> I rent it
[04:44] <ccc> VaderDarth: that's cheap. where?
[04:44] <VaderDarth> 25 for 10Mb/s per month
[04:44] <ahammond> Chicago60657: fat or ntfs?
[04:44] <sysrq> mpm: check out audacity, gnome-sound-recorder can save to vorbis, I'm not sure about mp3
[04:45] <VaderDarth> uk
[04:45] <danko123456> crimmy: remember that hard drive I was installing to the other day?? I am installing ubuntu now, and warty installed fine, then I change sources.list, and dist-upgrade. Now I am getting errors about hda being damaged, any pointers? maybe I should wait till it dfinishes to see what happens...
[04:46] <ccc> ok
[04:46] <sysrq> Chicago60657: probably because the liveCD runs as root, with ubuntu you are trying to write as a user when the drive probably is owned by root. Using the uid=youruserid mount option will make the drive owned by your user so you can write it. I have said this once and someone else has said this as well.
[04:46] <Chicago60657> sysrq yes it crashed x...which for all practical purposes...is what make ubuntu what it's trying to be...a user friendly OS...but don't take my word for it...take a little black magic marker...poke a small dot onto one of your music cds you don't need anymore...play it with the gnome program i can't remember the name of...some itunes knock off...what for your cdrom to find the flaw and have...
[04:46] <Chicago60657> ...fun doing a hard reboot...works everytime...i did it about six times
[04:46] <VaderDarth> my work has 100Mbs
[04:47] <VaderDarth> thru JANET
[04:47] <danko123456> yeah, they could, but you as an individual...
[04:47] <ahammond> Chicago60657: next time, try ctrl-alt-backspace
[04:47] <ahammond> Chicago60657: that will kill your X session (which will restart automatically)
[04:47] <sysrq> Chicago60657: the alt-sysrq key combination is usefull for properly shutting down a locked system beyond ctrl-alt-backspace for killing X
[04:48] <VaderDarth> ah they don't have ubuntu http://www.mirror.ac.uk/platform/linux/
[04:48] <ccc> here in sweden there are 1000 mbps connections too :D pretty hard to make use of all the bandwidth though...
[04:48] <danko123456> thanks for the tip, sysrq.
[04:48] <Chicago60657> no...it wouldn't let me....it just kept feeding me messages about buffer i/o error on sector blah blah
[04:48] <hswales> what is the prog to check the settings for hardware
[04:48] <ccc> so, waste of money. at least now
[04:48] <sysrq> Chicago60657: what kept feeding you messages, where?
[04:49] <Chicago60657> the command line when i opened a shell (torturously slowly) to kill the pid
[04:49] <VaderDarth> i admin a 150 cpu windows cluster
[04:49] <danko123456> kevin06 was not happy with our knowledge of internet conenctions.
[04:49] <danko123456> :)
[04:49] <danko123456> call his ISP...
[04:50] <Chicago60657> i'm telling you...it's easily replicated...one little black magic marker dot on the read side of a music cd is enough to bring ubuntu to a grinding halt...you won't be able to kill it even from a root shell
[04:50] <sysrq> Chicago60657: ok, file a bug report then
[04:50] <danko123456> crimmy: could I somehow format the hard disk and then it removes the bad sectors from use?
[04:50] <Jormundgand> Chicago60657: And you put a black magic marker dot on the read side of a CD...why?
[04:50] <VaderDarth> use windows media player?
[04:50] <danko123456> btw, it seems to be continuing fine.
[04:51] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> will ubuntu always have mp3 support ?
[04:51] <danko123456> can you read the future?
[04:51] <danko123456> :-p
[04:51] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> :p
[04:52] <Chicago60657> look...i'm not trying to diss ubuntu...i've been messing around with debian or a couple years now...but when ubuntu was defeated by something that small, it amazed me...and no, i didn't do it on purpose...it was an accident...i was playing the cd to find the track i'd need to replace since i destroyed the hard drive copy of it
[04:52] <danko123456> anyone at all kno about hard disks, and some form of fixing them, should I run fsck?
[04:52] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> some distros are dropping support for licensing reasons
[04:52] <pfp> ccc: just out of curiosity, how much are they asking for 10M or 100M there?
[04:52] <sysrq> Chicago60657: ... all I said is file a bug report
[04:52] <Chicago60657> all the other tracks played fine...when it got to track 11...ubuntu bit the dust
[04:52] <Johnnyfav> is there a program to run windows apps on linux?
[04:52] <danko123456> Chicago60657: well, it is very new... we all use it, tho:)
[04:52] <Chicago60657> i intend to
[04:52] <VaderDarth> wine
[04:52] <Shuddertrix> Pop_pa_FrEaK: my mind tricks agree that in 2008 mp3 will be obsolete
[04:53] <crimmy> danko123456: no
[04:53] <SLicE_> Does anyone know where the best walkthrough for compiling a kernel would be, and what the best tool to use on 2.6.10?
[04:53] <VaderDarth> 100 for setup
[04:53] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> is there any linux program that will convert formats for music ?
[04:53] <crimmy> danko123456: sector remapping is done at the device level. Not even the kernel accesses it.
[04:54] <Jormundgand> Chicago60657: This dot-phenomenon sounds more like a problem in Rhythmbox than in Ubuntu...file the report with them.
[04:54] <VaderDarth> and 4000
[04:54] <sysrq> Pop_pa_FrEaK: there are several, it depends on what format to what format
[04:54] <danko123456> crimmy: I got all these "uncorrectable errors while upgrading, pointing at the hard disk, it did uprade tho...
[04:54] <sysrq> Pop_pa_FrEaK: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto
[04:54] <danko123456> gone, then, get a new hard disk??
[04:54] <Shuddertrix> Pop_pa_FrEaK: I make use of mp32ogg ;)
[04:54] <SLicE_> thank you Pop_pa_FrEaK
[04:54] <VaderDarth> why ubuntu disables root
[04:54] <QMario> Is there a program that I can use that can type in text in a .pdf file?
[04:54] <sysrq> erm that last one was to SLicE_ sorry Pop_pa_FrEaK
[04:54] <ccc> pfp: 10 mbps is 30 euros/month, 100 mbps is 60 euros i think
[04:54] <Chicago60657> but it's based on debian which isn't new...i'm all for ubuntu...i hope it succeeds as a replacement of those snobby, slow handed debian people...and i'd love to see everyone using ubuntu instead of windoze...however, i shouldn't have to edit fstab files and chmod the crap out of my system to have "permission" to create a freakin file or directory on my own fucking hard drive...if ubuntu...
[04:54] <Chicago60657> ...wants to win joe average user...they have to make it a lot simpler and user friendly...i understand limited root access...but c'mon
[04:54] <sysrq> QMario: openoffice can save as pdf
[04:55] <transgress> QMario: openoffice
[04:55] <VaderDarth> i cannot use ubunto just cos of that
[04:55] <Jormundgand> Chicago60657: Where exactly are you trying to make a file/directory?
[04:55] <sysrq> Chicago60657: that problem isn't ubuntu's fault, as I said all you have to do is add the uid=youruserid to the fstab line and it will be owned by your user
[04:55] <danko123456> but not edit a pdf file, tho, I dont think any computer can do taht.
[04:55] <danko123456> umm...program,
[04:55] <VaderDarth> no root == sucks
[04:56] <Jormundgand> VaderDarth: Use sudo and like it.
[04:56] <dooglus> VaderDarth: root isn't disabled.
[04:56] <danko123456> whatever, you just like the sound of superuser....
[04:56] <danko123456> :)
[04:56] <Chicago60657> Jormundand you could be very right...but it seemed from the error messages that the kernel was just trying to read and read and read the same flawed blocks instead of aborting or at least giving me the option to abort
[04:56] <sysrq> sudo -s gives you a root shell, I don't see why you would need anything beyond that
[04:56] <SLicE_> sysrq what do you mean by formats?
[04:56] <danko123456> I had su enabled for a while, and disabled it in the end, it is not needd.
[04:56] <pfp> ccc: damn :P in helsinki 60e/mo gets you 10/10M behind nat at best...
[04:56] <sysrq> SLicE_: ie mp3 to vorbis, vorbis to mp3, flac to mp3, whatever
[04:56] <VaderDarth> root
[04:57] <VaderDarth> is very important if you have server + many users
[04:57] <dooglus> VaderDarth: just type "sudo passwd", set a password for root, then "su" to root like you would in any other distro
[04:57] <danko123456> Jormundgand: he is trying to change permissions on a dos partition.
[04:57] <SLicE_> sysrq I'm talking linux kernels
[04:57] <Jormundgand> danko123456: Okay.
[04:57] <VaderDarth> but I normally login as root
[04:57] <sysrq> SLicE_: oh sorry still confusing you two, where did I mention formats?
[04:57] <dooglus> VaderDarth: then you're a fool :)
[04:57] <VaderDarth> well if i want to admin 150 user u think I will su 150 times??
[04:58] <VaderDarth> only a fool will do that
[04:58] <sysrq> VaderDarth: sudo -s gives you a shell with root privs. no need to login as root
[04:58] <dooglus> VaderDarth: what do you mean?
[04:58] <SLicE_> sysrq lol nevermind I read it wrong too
[04:58] <VaderDarth> but If i open 10 shells
[04:58] <VaderDarth> i need to su 10 times ??
[04:58] <dooglus> no.
[04:58] <SLicE_> sysrq, thanks for the guide link I'm going to go toy with it
[04:58] <dooglus> su once, and open the other 9 from that su'ed shell
[04:58] <danko123456> ok, I installed warty onto a computer...that has a sketchy hard drive(known fact from the past) and it worked great, and I then changed my sources.list, and upgraded to hoary, which gave all these errors about hda being not good, and "uncorrectable errors" but it seems to have upgraded, and I am wondering if there is anything I should run to get the bad sectors out of the way, or what I should do...
[04:59] <VaderDarth> ahh but if i close it
[04:59] <ccc> pfp: ah. :/ that's weird, i thought it was equally spread there.
[04:59] <Chicago60657> my windoze directory is mounted automatically at boottime on /mnt/win and i have rw options in fstab...i chmod a+rw /mnt/win * and that didn't work, then tried chmod 777 /mnt/win * that didn't work either...i guess what i want to know is whether or not the syntax of chmod is different when you're setting permissions on a directory
[04:59] <ccc> pfp: and cheaper
[04:59] <scoperesolutoin> anyone use 3ddesktop?
[04:59] <VaderDarth> also is it beter than fc3?
[04:59] <VaderDarth> fc3 has root and has yum and apt
[05:00] <scoperesolutoin> yum blows
[05:00] <dooglus> how can I "re-disable" root, after running "sudo passwd" to set a password for root?
[05:00] <Jormundgand> yum does indeed blow. It's just a slower apt-get.
[05:00] <sysrq> VaderDarth: so use that and stop wasting our time if you are so set in your ways
[05:00] <Shuddertrix> yum is ugly, apt in fedora is horrible because of rpms ;)
[05:00] <scoperesolutoin> i would much rather use emerge but gentoo is a pain to install
[05:00] <Jormundgand> dooglus: passwd -l root
[05:00] <VaderDarth> well i want to know how to permanetnly enable root
[05:01] <Shuddertrix> VaderDarth: sudo passwd root
[05:01] <dooglus> Jormundgand: very good.  :)
[05:01] <danko123456> sudo -r passwd I think
[05:01] <dooglus> VaderDarth: I just told you.  "sudo passwd"
[05:01] <sysrq> Chicago60657: what filesystem is the partition
[05:01] <VaderDarth> i don't like to put all this paswords when I want to delete files etc
[05:01] <Shuddertrix> Set a root password, presto, root is working (i'm pretty sure)
[05:01] <Chicago60657> msdos
[05:01] <Chicago60657> i'm using win 98
[05:01] <VaderDarth> i want to login as root
[05:01] <danko123456> :) sorry...
[05:01] <pfp> ccc: not really, and especially ppl in small towns complain that telco monopolies keep them from getting any broadband
[05:01] <Shuddertrix> VaderDarth: You can then open up a root terminal, login as root, be the root..
[05:01] <scoperesolutoin> vader i dont think you can in ubuntu
[05:01] <VaderDarth> so if I d/l anything or I can do what I like
[05:02] <scoperesolutoin> just use the root terminal
[05:02] <sysrq> Chicago60657: have you tried mounting it as vfat?
[05:02] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hmm wish there was a linux cd ripper that would rip to musepack
[05:02] <VaderDarth> but i like whole gui to have root power
[05:02] <QMario> How can I copy text and pictures from a .pdf file? I tried to do it in xpdf, but there is no copy operator.
[05:02] <Chicago60657> so is the chmod syntax different for permissions on directories versus a file?
[05:02] <Chicago60657> no, i haven't...should i
[05:02] <scoperesolutoin> yeah i see where that would be nice
[05:02] <Shuddertrix> VaderDarth: That's unsafe, but surely gdm can unhide the root account, and you can probably run startx as root ;)
[05:02] <VaderDarth> if you are root it is very easy to use pc
[05:03] <sysrq> Chicago60657: yes
[05:03] <scoperesolutoin> also very dangerous
[05:03] <Jormundgand> VaderDarth: sudo remembers that you sudo'd successfully for fifteen minutes after a successful sudo. And there's little need to have a whole-GUI sudo, with gksudo and sudo <command>.
[05:03] <Shuddertrix> VaderDarth: Also, very easy to screw something up.
[05:03] <VaderDarth> like all these stupid configs are very easy to edit
[05:03] <pfp> ccc: i understand that your government is more active in spreading bband, a good thing imo
[05:03] <Chicago60657> just out of curiousity...what is vfat
[05:03] <QMario> How can I copy text and pictures from a .pdf file? I tried to do it in xpdf, but there is no copy operator.
[05:03] <Quest-Master> xpdf.. haha, what a joke
[05:03] <QMario>  Shuddertrix, did you really log in as root?
[05:03] <dr_willis> try the accrobat reader program
[05:03] <VaderDarth> well why is it dangerous as root
[05:03] <scoperesolutoin> vfat is fat32
[05:04] <scoperesolutoin> or fat16
[05:04] <VaderDarth> if you delete something get it from the bin
[05:04] <Shuddertrix> QMario: Yes.
[05:04] <danko123456> QMario: you can do that through OSX I know...
[05:04] <danko123456> I dont knwo about ubuntu, tho.
[05:04] <Chicago60657> so simply but changint it from msdos to vfat in my fstab is going to solve everything??
[05:04] <Jormundgand> VaderDarth: If you log in as root then go to get coffee you might return to find someone has rm -rf /'d.
[05:04] <danko123456> Perhaps you can take a screentshot, and then copy and paste it out, or use gimp, I syuggested that earlier.
[05:04] <VaderDarth> ok
[05:04] <dr_willis> or accidently put in a space when you are doing a rm -rf / foo/bar/com
[05:05] <VaderDarth> so just look in the bin and undelet it!
[05:05] <IIIEars_Doom3>   /nick IIIEars
[05:05] <sysrq> Chicago60657: well if it's win98 it probable is vfat
[05:05] <mpm> I'm wondering If I buy a digital recorder what the probabilty is that I won't be able to make it work with linux?  any guesses?
[05:05] <Jormundgand> rm -rf - FORCE REMOVE ALL FILES AND DIRECTORIES REGARDLESS OF CONTEXT OR STATUS.
[05:05] <Shuddertrix> VaderDarth: If only it were possible to get files back from /dev/null. Tsk.
[05:05] <bLaCkEyEdBoY> hello
[05:05] <sysrq> Chicago60657: if you don't want help then by all means just say so and I can use my time for something productive
[05:05] <dr_willis> VaderDarth,  the bin?  rm from the shell has no 'trashcan'
[05:06] <bLaCkEyEdBoY> i need help to some topic somebody helpme?
[05:06] <VaderDarth> that is why i don't like the console
[05:06] <VaderDarth> it should be disabled
[05:06] <atho> lmao
[05:06] <scoperesolutoin> then you shouldnt be running linux
[05:06] <mpm> hehe
[05:06] <dr_willis> now we are in Troll terriority.
[05:06] <dr_willis> :P
[05:06] <VaderDarth> u delete from root gui it goes to bin
[05:06] <atho> xD
[05:06] <danko123456> crimmy: I think you think I will be fine:)
[05:06] <Chicago60657> sysrq yeah...that's exactly why i came into this channel...not to get help...
[05:06] <Chicago60657> and i wasn't disappointed
[05:06] <dr_willis> VaderDarth,  it MAY go to a bin.., or it may not :P
[05:06] <raDeon> don't be a troll
[05:06] <atho> vader, use the gui trash can
[05:06] <raDeon> that's just rude
[05:06] <dooglus> VaderDarth: if you don't like the way 'rm' works, alias it to 'mv' stuff to the trashcan instead?
[05:06] <scoperesolutoin> Anyone installed or messed with 3ddesktop?
[05:06] <Jormundgand> bLaCkEyEdBoY: You must be in the wrong place. This is the official Ubuntu orgy channel. :o
[05:07] <danko123456> bLaCkEyEdBoY: /topic
[05:07] <sysrq> what a lovely fellow
[05:07] <sysrq> I spend half an hour trying to help him and thats what I get
[05:07] <Shuddertrix> scoperesolutoin: I used to, it was pretty cool but it was slow on changing the desktops..
[05:07] <scoperesolutoin> I just wanta know if they fixed it so you dont need the config file anymore
[05:07] <VaderDarth> well rediredt dev/null > trashcan!!!
[05:07] <scoperesolutoin> I ran it on gentoo about 2 months ago
[05:08] <dr_willis> scoperesolutoin,  no idea :) installing it now.
[05:08] <scoperesolutoin> yeah I am trying to as well
[05:08] <Johnnyfav> what's r o  mean for the permissions on a file
[05:08] <danko123456> read only
[05:08] <atho> r o?
[05:08] <Shuddertrix> scoperesolutoin: No need for a config file..
[05:08] <danko123456> haha I was first.:-;
[05:08] <dr_willis> scoperesolutoin,  installed , it works good. :P lol
[05:08] <danko123456> :-p
[05:08] <Johnnyfav> how do I change it to read and write then?
[05:08] <scoperesolutoin> sweet
[05:08] <atho> r w?
[05:08] <danko123456> well, which file, johnnyf
[05:08] <[Spooky] > bLaCkEyEdBoY: no pm please
[05:08] <VaderDarth> ok so I tried what u saidon my FC3 box
[05:08] <ccc> pfp: yeah, but some areas have lower priority and won't see fiber for a long time. it's all relative i guess...
[05:09] <Johnnyfav> my mounted ntfs drive
[05:09] <dooglus> /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[05:09] <VaderDarth> i typere fm -r
[05:09] <VaderDarth> rm -r
[05:09] <danko123456> Johnnyfav: unfort... that does nto work.
[05:09] <bLaCkEyEdBoY> i need help for configure my monitor
[05:09] <samuel> sup a
[05:09] <samuel> ll
[05:09] <dooglus> VaderDarth: look around line 160 of /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[05:09] <VaderDarth> there is only a big noise from my 200GB hdd
[05:09] <Johnnyfav> is there anyway I can configure it so I can write?
[05:09] <scoperesolutoin> vader I think you should install gentoo
[05:10] <VaderDarth> but i cannot find etc folder after i typed rm -r?
[05:10] <dooglus> Johnnyfav: apparently the 2.6 kernels can be configured to 'safely' allow writing to NTFS partitions so long as you don't change the size of any files
[05:10] <samuel> anyone here have any suggestions for mp3 players that are linux friendly?
[05:10] <danko123456> does anyone know, when I install a server install of ubuntu, and then I install xfce4 through apt-get, what needs to be done to log in to it?
[05:10] <Johnnyfav> ouch
[05:10] <dooglus> Johnnyfav: if you want to create new files, or change file sizes then writing to NTFS is still 'dangerous'
[05:10] <Johnnyfav> ok
[05:11] <Johnnyfav> I'll forget that idea then
[05:11] <VaderDarth> Ok now my hdd stopped making noise after i typed rm -r
[05:11] <danko123456> dude, I never liked your comments from the start:-p
[05:11] <VaderDarth> but some new windows of ff not opening why?
[05:12] <mpm> danko123456: xfce isn't showing up from gdm?
[05:12] <transgress> did you just install xfce or xfce4?
[05:12] <danko123456> I think you are just pulling our leg...mpm, I dont think I have gdm, I am thinking I need that.
[05:12] <bLaCkEyEdBoY> My problem is that my ubuntu load but after the monitor turn off.
[05:12] <transgress> xfce is old as hell and doesn't show up
[05:12] <bLaCkEyEdBoY> i don't know how to do
[05:12] <danko123456> xfce4 which is better for a old comp?
[05:12] <Cybersoft> wow how did they find the name for this distro ?
[05:12] <Cybersoft> why a random password generator ?
[05:12] <transgress> xfce is probably better... but for an older pc i'd get blackbox because it's a lot prettier than xfce
[05:12] <scoperesolutoin> hey dr_willis, 3ddesktop failed
[05:12] <goldfish> fluxbox is faster than xfce
[05:13] <danko123456> yeah, but, not simple to use for a girl...
[05:13] <dr_willis> scoperesolutoin,  how are you 'running' it  :P
[05:13] <transgress> blackbox is faster than fluxbox...
[05:13] <goldfish> oh right
[05:13] <danko123456> xfce then over xfce4 for slower computers?
[05:13] <goldfish> cool
[05:13] <scoperesolutoin> im just trying to install it
[05:13] <transgress> how slow danko123456 ?
[05:13] <VaderDarth> Ok guys I type rm -rf / as you toldm me to fix root and I cannot see any of my files
[05:13] <scoperesolutoin> i did a ./configure and i get some shitty compile errors
[05:13] <danko123456> I am gonna try sudo apt-get install gdm..
[05:13] <dr_willis> 3ddeskd - to start the service, then 3desk  to activate the fancy switcher.
[05:13] <transgress> VaderDarth: you just did what!?
[05:13] <danko123456> I dunno what else to do...
[05:13] <goldfish> VaderDarth: please tell me you are joking.
[05:13] <danko123456> is there a startx command that actually works?
[05:13] <Aegir> VaderDarth, Hahahha.... rm -rf / ... Funny.
[05:14] <dooglus> danko123456: ubuntu comes with gdm
[05:14] <transgress> danko123456: did you install ubuntu/
[05:14] <transgress> if so then you have gdm
[05:14] <danko123456> dooglus:  server install does not.
[05:14] <Aegir> Hmm, thats somthing to try, cat /dev/random...
[05:14] <VaderDarth> well everything is working
[05:14] <dooglus> danko123456: ok, i see
[05:14] <VaderDarth> but there is no files on teh hdd
[05:14] <mpm> VaderDarth: you really shouldn't be messing with people who are here to get help
[05:14] <Aegir> Fun...
[05:14] <goldfish> VaderDarth: shut up.
[05:15] <Aegir> cat /dev/random was interesting
[05:15] <threat> VaderDarth, your name looks familar
[05:15] <VaderDarth> ok I will reeboot and see if the files appear
[05:15] <St0n3-C0l> How do I enable Direct Rendering in i810 ?
[05:15] <danko123456> transgress: did you get it now?
[05:15] <threat> Aegir, lol, yeah and the good thing is it changes all the time, so it doesnt get boring
[05:15] <Aegir> Hmm, cat /dev/null didnt do anything interesting...
[05:16] <transgress> get what?
[05:16] <danko123456> VaderDarth: who told you to do a rm -rf / to fix your root?
[05:16] <danko123456> ha
[05:16] <Aegir> threat, Yeap. Easy way to pass the time in school ;)
[05:16] <jaysin> how do i uninstall programs?
[05:16] <threat> Aegir, heh
[05:16] <danko123456> gety my ping of death, HAHAHA, jj...
[05:16] <St0n3-C0l> rm -rf / lol
[05:16] <transgress> heh oops
[05:16] <St0n3-C0l> this means he removed everything ?
[05:16] <goldfish> jaysin: how did u install it?
[05:16] <VaderDarth> well you said it will force it
[05:16] <goldfish> St0n3-C0l: yes.
[05:16] <threat> Aegir, you know whats even better then cat'ing something?  redirecting it to your sound device :)  thats always my favourite passtime
[05:16] <dr_willis> St0n3-C0l,  or hes Trolling again.
[05:16] <jaysin> ummm from ubuntuguide.org
[05:16] <mpm> danko123456: ignore him he's just fishing for trouble; you shouldn't even mention stuff like that it's not funny when someone goes and tries it innnocently and wipes their system
[05:16] <Aegir> threat, ROFL
[05:16] <St0n3-C0l> then h0w he's using ?
[05:16] <jaysin> goldfish  oops from ubuntuguide.org
[05:16] <goldfish> jaysin: apt-get remove packagename --purge
[05:17] <danko123456> transgress: get what? ... (22:16:12) transgress left the room (quit: Client Quit). ... (22:16:14) danko123456: ha ... 22:16:26) danko123456: gety my ping of death, HAHAHA, jj...
[05:17] <danko123456> :)
[05:17] <threat> cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp  oh yeah, hear the funkiness
[05:17] <jaysin> goldfish  thanks :D
[05:17] <goldfish> jaysin: he is joking.
[05:17] <goldfish> jaysin: np
[05:17] <transgress> actually i got my clicking the x of death
[05:17] <danko123456> mpm: he did it himselgf, I never used that command till that post...
[05:17] <Jormundgand> cat /dev/random screws up the character set. :(
[05:17] <goldfish> hmm
[05:17] <goldfish> St0n3-C0l: he is joking.
[05:17] <danko123456> transgress: yeah, I know, I was jj...hey, did you get why I dont have gdm?
[05:17] <transgress> ha yes it will... but only temporarily
[05:17] <threat> Jormundgand, reset fixes it :)
[05:17] <danko123456> I insatlled a server install.
[05:18] <VaderDarth> i just opened console and tyrpe rm -rf / to fix the root for good
[05:18] <transgress> nope
[05:18] <threat> VaderDarth, :/
[05:18] <transgress> VaderDarth: that will break everything... wise one
[05:18] <VaderDarth> now everything is working
[05:18] <danko123456> transgress: I did a server install, and tehre is no x at all...
[05:18] <concept10> is this were the guys with leet hacker skillz hang?
[05:18] <VaderDarth> but if I type commands they are not
[05:18] <transgress> danko123456: oh... then reinstall it heh
[05:18] <danko123456> I installed xfce, but I need gdm, I guess,. Ill try that.
[05:18] <nalioth> threat: is that copyrighted music you're listening to?
[05:18] <St0n3-C0l> How do i enable Hardware Acceleration ????
[05:18] <Jormundgand> concept10: nyet, that's #gentoo ;)
[05:18] <transgress> danko123456: you don't need gdm
[05:18] <mpm> danko123456: he's lying or joking... I wasn't scolding you just clarifying that it's best not to quote
[05:18] <danko123456> transgress: it was an option, not a mistake:)
[05:18] <goldfish> concept10: lol
[05:19] <St0n3-C0l> direct rendering: No
[05:19] <transgress> just type which xfce, then xinit /path/to/xfce
[05:19] <danko123456> ah, I get it, mpm...:)
[05:19] <threat> nalioth, hehe I dont think anyone has patiented the /dev/null device :)
[05:19] <VaderDarth> all my mp3s are missing
[05:19] <concept10> :)
[05:19] <transgress> or even xinit `which xfce`
[05:19] <VaderDarth> can't find them
[05:19] <transgress> VaderDarth: you just deleted your home directory dipshit...
[05:19] <goldfish> concept10: try #debian :)
[05:19] <transgress> no offense
[05:19] <goldfish> Jormundgand: try it :)
[05:19] <VaderDarth> but i just did it for root
[05:19] <nalioth> threat: thought you sent /random thru your sound device. random sounds suspiciously like some modern music
[05:19] <danko123456> xinit, command not found...
[05:20] <transgress> rm -rf / deletes everything below / too
[05:20] <transgress> that's the -r part
[05:20] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[05:20] <transgress> -r == recursive
[05:20] <St0n3-C0l> let's try :P
[05:20] <danko123456> VaderDarth: you are a moron if you really did that command.
[05:20] <VaderDarth> but u told me it is dangerous to have root
[05:20] <mpm> for me danko123456 it's the file called .xsession in home that has this exec /etc/X11/Xsession /usr/bin/xfce
[05:20] <Varanger> crimmy: are you here?
[05:20] <threat> nalioth, oh yeah I completely brain farted on that one, I do see the resembelance now :)
[05:20] <Jormundgand> -f == fuck up
[05:20] <crimmy> Varanger: yes
[05:20] <danko123456> And you are a moron if you didnt and are pulling our leg still.
[05:20] <VaderDarth> so I deleted root
[05:20] <transgress> anyways... watching this dvd
[05:20] <nalioth> St0n3-C0l: you first, we'll follow if it looks like fun
[05:20] <threat> Jormundgand, LOL
[05:20] <St0n3-C0l> VaderDarth: Dangerous to be LOGGED IN as root
[05:20] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[05:20] <transgress> VaderDarth: so you deleted fucking everything if you didn't get a lot of warning
[05:20] <transgress> s
[05:20] <pfp> in that case strings < /dev/random must be modern literature...
[05:20] <St0n3-C0l> i dun wanna take risk :P
[05:20] <goldfish> It's dangerous if you are a retard.
[05:20] <crimmy> transgress: (watch the language, please)
[05:21] <threat> VaderDarth, thats why you create a user account for, so you dont completely bork your whole system, only your files :)
[05:21] <goldfish> transgress: /ignore VaderDarth
[05:21] <St0n3-C0l> crimmy: I think
[05:21] <goldfish> tbh :)
[05:21] <nalioth> Lord Vader, that is why ubuntu uses "sudo"
[05:21] <transgress> goldfish: good idea
[05:21] <threat> pfp,  heh
[05:21] <goldfish> transgress: :)
[05:21] <danko123456> mpm: that did have a result, logging me out:)
[05:21] <St0n3-C0l> 'fuck up' word said by Jormundgand
[05:21] <Varanger> crimmy: I returned and I scan still get this audio card to work.... (well, it took me 2 months to make DRI work)
[05:21] <goldfish> Morons like that make me wonder.
[05:22] <threat> I love ubuntu! *hugz*
[05:22] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[05:22] <crimmy> Varanger: you mean you _can't_?
[05:22] <St0n3-C0l> Beware...
[05:22] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[05:22] <St0n3-C0l> There are few electric circuits
[05:22] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[05:22] <mpm> danko123456: "sudo gedit ~/.xsession" and then add that line to it
[05:22] <Varanger> crimmy: YES juaaaaaaaaz I always have this problem
[05:22] <threat> su admuser -c 'sudo rm -fr /'  oh yeah :)
[05:22] <VaderDarth> Ok I will reboot and see if it fixes the broblem
[05:22] <Jormundgand> Is it right to be afraid to pipe random characters through to the sound device? It's the same fear I had when I cause glitches to appear in video games which do weird things.
[05:22] <crimmy> Jormundgand: you can't do that for direct alsa
[05:23] <crimmy> Jormundgand: you can for alsa's oss emulation, though
[05:23] <Varanger> threat: who has? rm -rf / ?
[05:23] <crimmy> Jormundgand: (alsa requires alsa-lib, hence "default", "hw:0", etc.)
[05:23] <threat> Varanger, indeed
[05:23] <VaderDarth> It is not rebooting??
[05:23] <Jormundgand> crimmy: You're telling me this why?
[05:23] <threat> hmm to study, do work or play ET under Ubuntu :/ hmmmm
[05:23] <Jormundgand> VaderDarth, hardest reboot...power cycle. ;)
[05:24] <crimmy> Jormundgand: because you asked whether it's right to be afraid to pipe random chars to the sound device
[05:24] <VaderDarth> but why is it not rebooting?
[05:24] <crimmy> Jormundgand: I'm telling you that you _can't_ for alsa directly.
[05:24] <Jormundgand> Because you deleted shutdown, hence no shutdown -r now.
[05:24] <threat> VaderDarth, ? you deleted the reboot program?
[05:24] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[05:24] <threat> VaderDarth, init 6
[05:24] <mpm> threat: and Jormundgand he's messing with you pay no attention
[05:24] <St0n3-C0l> he deleted everything
[05:24] <VaderDarth> i just deleted the dangerous root
[05:24] <St0n3-C0l> rm -rf /
[05:25] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[05:25] <threat> heh
[05:25] <threat> lol
[05:25] <nalioth> i take it the cats have not returned.. .. ..
[05:25] <danko123456> VaderDarth: come one, man...that is teh root folder, not the root account.
[05:25] <Jormundgand> cat cat | cat
[05:25] <Jormundgand> ?
[05:25] <raDeon> lol VaderDarth sounds like a future candidate for a Darwin award
[05:25] <mpm> no danko123456 / is everything
[05:26] <raDeon> he deletes the reboot program
[05:26] <VaderDarth> the root folder is for root correct?
[05:26] <threat> heh talking about /dev/null, that reminds me of that BOFH article I saw, where the dood changes the tape backup device to /dev/null to increase backup time :)
[05:26] <transgress> the /root folder is for root
[05:26] <danko123456> no, it holds everything. all other folders are branching from teh root.
[05:26] <VaderDarth> no
[05:26] <danko123456> basically, you deleted your whole hard drive if you were serious about having done that.
[05:26] <VaderDarth> how is it
[05:26] <dsd> hi is anyone here to help me? if so please pm me...i have a question about installing programs onto ubuntu
[05:26] <threat> VaderDarth, do you know what a tree is ?  as in the computer structure :)
[05:26] <transgress> think about it ... everything starts with /
[05:27] <MachineScrew> how do I recompile the kernel
[05:27] <transgress> see: /bin /usr /etc
[05:27] <dsd> if anyone can help me please pm me
[05:27] <threat> VaderDarth, / is the root as in the root of the tree, everything else branches off from the root, there is nothing before the root
[05:27] <MachineScrew> under ubuntu
[05:27] <dooglus> dsd, just ask here and we'll help if we can
[05:27] <nalioth> there are no ops here atm
[05:27] <dsd> ok
[05:27] <Jormundgand> dsd: Ask her-- damn you, dooglus.
[05:27] <threat> VaderDarth, except dirt if you want to think of it that way
[05:27] <mpm> hi dr_willis good to see you; the channel's gone to trolls while you were gone
[05:27] <dooglus> Jormundgand?
[05:27] <nalioth> hence the idiots putting dangerous command sequences into the channel
[05:27] <dr_willis> mpm,  Lol. :P
[05:27] <nalioth> more than once
[05:28] <transgress> uit
[05:28] <transgress> bleh
[05:28] <dr_willis> trying to get F12 to run the 3desk switcher.. but cant get it going.
[05:28] <chillywilly> what tool can I use to redirect sound for my mplayer?
[05:28] <MachineScrew> any one
[05:28] <VaderDarth> ok so u are sayin I deleted root, and my folder
[05:28] <crimmy> Varanger: ok, let me work on something for you. Should take about 20 mins.
[05:28] <transgress> i accidentally bound my damned slash key
[05:28] <danko123456> dooglus: you worte what he was gonna say, so he said that.
[05:28] <St0n3-C0l> VaderDarth: Check your pvt
[05:28] <danko123456> yes, your whole hard disk, VaderDarth.
[05:28] <dr_willis> i alwyas loved how gnome/metacity decided to removed easy configuration of such POWER features like binding an arbitary command to a F key
[05:28] <dr_willis> :P
[05:28] <VaderDarth> i cannot open any new window
[05:28] <Varanger> crimmy: ok thx
[05:28] <dsd> well, is it possible to install programs from another distro such as knoppix onto ubuntu?
[05:28] <VaderDarth> only this is working
[05:29] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[05:29] <St0n3-C0l> u'll not be able to open anything..
[05:29] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[05:29] <dr_willis> dsd thats not very safe.
[05:29] <St0n3-C0l> after a reboot
[05:29] <MachineScrew> I need to recompile my kernel under ubuntu how do I go about doing this or maybe some documentation on it
[05:29] <transgress> okay fixed that
[05:29] <transgress> heh
[05:29] <dooglus> don't worry, you haven't deleted your Windows NTFS partitions, so you can go back to Windows when you've finished trolling in here.
[05:29] <dr_willis> dsd,  but about any program that is on knoppix. should have ubuntu packages.
[05:29] <nalioth> dsd: why would you want to install from knoppix, when the proggy is probably already available to you?
[05:29] <St0n3-C0l> "root" account is not dangerous account.
[05:29] <VaderDarth> ok how can i undelet everythin?
[05:30] <dooglus> dsd, it's not a good idea to install binaries compiled for other distros
[05:30] <nalioth> VaderDarth: you are F***ED
[05:30] <VaderDarth> where is the system restore
[05:30] <St0n3-C0l> It's Super User Account which allows full access to the user so some programs might just crash under this !
[05:30] <VaderDarth> command
[05:30] <threat> VaderDarth,  LOL
[05:30] <threat> VaderDarth,  there isnt one :)
[05:30] <St0n3-C0l> l0l
[05:30] <MachineScrew> ok any one
[05:30] <dooglus> dsd: just use the 'system menu', then 'administration', then 'synaptic' to install the program you want
[05:30] <dsd> i meant are the programs that are readily available for knoppix, availbe for download for ubuntu such as airsnort and aireplay?
[05:30] <Jormundgand> Hah. Tooltip for "About GNOME" is "Know more about GNOME". People look at it and think "coo, it puts info in my head just by clicking a button!"
[05:30] <threat> VaderDarth,  well technically there is, but I doubt you would beable to make sense of it ;)
[05:31] <dsd> dooglus, thanks alot
[05:31] <St0n3-C0l> dsd: should be, update your sources.list
[05:31] <Jormundgand> -VaderDarth- VERSION Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0.4/20050511] 
[05:31] <nalioth> dsd: pretty much anything you see on knoppix is available for ubuntu
[05:31] <chillywilly> what tool can I use to redirect sound to my mplayer?
[05:31] <dsd> nalioth, thanks
[05:31] <transgress> Jormundgand: yep... which can run on windows...
[05:31] <crimmy> Varanger: /join #alsa
[05:31] <chillywilly> there's no esddsp anymore...
[05:31] <MachineScrew> god damnit why are these chat rooms so useless just a quick answer or somthing come on people
[05:31] <Jormundgand> -VaderDarth- OS Windows NT 5.1 (Win32)
[05:32] <bob2> chillywilly: redirect sound *to* mplayer? what are you trying to do?
[05:32] <Jormundgand> ;)
[05:32] <bob2> MachineScrew: why do you need to recompile it?
[05:32] <dooglus> dsd: airsnort is available.  I don't see 'aireplay', but 'aircrack' is there.
[05:32] <VaderDarth> yes
[05:32] <bob2> MachineScrew: being polite and giving all the neccessary information in your question will encourage people to answer you.
[05:32] <chillywilly> bob2: sound does not work in mplayer because the sound card is blocked by the sound server
[05:32] <MachineScrew> to get the GNOME Batt Mon to work
[05:32] <nalioth> MachineScrew: if some1 knew the answer you were looking for, they'd tell you
[05:32] <St0n3-C0l> MachineScrew: May http://www.ubuntuguide.org help you or http://ubuntuforums.org OR http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[05:32] <dsd> dooglus, where do u see the list? on the ubuntu site?
[05:32] <crimmy> chillywilly: -ao esd doesn't work?
[05:32] <chillywilly> bob2: what is the trick to remedy said situation
[05:32] <bob2> chillywilly: mplayer -ao esd
[05:32] <chillywilly> that might work
[05:32] <dooglus> dsd, no, in 'synaptic'
[05:33] <nalioth> dsd: ubuntulinux.org/wiki look for "restricted formats"
[05:33] <St0n3-C0l> MachineScrew: If people don't know how to do it they won't answer you :)
[05:33] <Jormundgand> * Ping reply from VaderDarth: ? second(s)
[05:33] <Jormundgand> XD
[05:33] <MachineScrew> St0n3-C0l:no they don't
[05:33] <dsd> dooglus: thanks
[05:33] <dsd> nalioth: thaks
[05:33] <dsd> thanks
[05:33] <St0n3-C0l> and if someone will know related bout ur question...they'll surely answer ur question
[05:34] <dooglus> dsd: alternatively, go here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/ and type, for example "aireplay" into the 2nd 'keyboard' box.  it'll tell you which package aireplay is in
[05:34] <MachineScrew> damn so no one here knows how to recompile a kernel under debian how sad
[05:34] <crimmy> MachineScrew: there are multiple methods
[05:34] <chillywilly> thanks guys
[05:34] <chillywilly> I knew it was something simple just couldn't remember what
[05:35] <crimmy> MachineScrew: you could use kernel-package or the standard make && make bzImage && ...
[05:35] <danko123456> bob2: I have an issue here:) check this out. I install warty on a computer, and it installs fine, I change sources.list to hoary, and upgrade...during the upgrade I get lots of errors about my hard drive being nto good and I remember the words"uncorrectable error" but it seemed to upgrade fine, and then I wanted to add a GUI, cause I did a server install, but now my pppoeconf is not working all the sudden, and when I ifconfig after
[05:35] <St0n3-C0l> I don't know how to compile a kernel on Debian-based..i've compiled them in Slackware
[05:35] <bob2> MachineScrew: stop being so obnoxious
[05:35] <bob2> MachineScrew: you seem to be the only person whoconclusively doesn't kno whow to do it
[05:35] <MachineScrew> crimmy: I need to know the quickiest way that I can apply an patch
[05:35] <VaderDarth> ok so nice one i will reboot now
[05:35] <threat> hmm I know this is out of scope of Ubuntu, although with apt-proxy it tells me that some of the package are not PGP signed, however when I use the source for the site instead of going thorugh apt-proxy is doesnt complain :/  what am I missing/
[05:35] <crimmy> MachineScrew: the fastest way? If you're familiar with the stock config, just apply it there and recompile it
[05:36] <crimmy> MachineScrew: if you're familiar with the Debian method, drop it in as a dpatch
[05:36] <MachineScrew> crimmy: no I am not
[05:36] <St0n3-C0l> crimmy: Is that possible that I download from kernel.org and then start "make menuconfig" "make" "make bzImage" "make modules" etc
[05:36] <dsd> dooglus: thanks so do u think if i just write down a list of progs that knoppix has which ubuntu doesnt and then search it on the ubuntu packages search engine, I will most likely find what i need?
[05:36] <nalioth> MachineScrew: do we make fun of your shortcomings? consideration
[05:36] <pfp> danko123456: have you run badblocks on the drive?
[05:36] <crimmy> St0n3-C0l: absolutely; you can use whatever method makes you fuzzy.
[05:36] <pfp> booting from separate media ofc
[05:36] <danko123456> so I run badblocks from a term, no...
[05:36] <St0n3-C0l> crimmy: It won't trouble na ?
[05:37] <crimmy> St0n3-C0l: Ubuntu has certain config options enabled for good reasons; it's a good idea to look at them first. This doesn't even go into the patches that Ubuntu applies.
[05:37] <MachineScrew> crimmy: I don't know how to do that can you point me to a doc that will describe that
[05:37] <danko123456> pfp: it needs params, shoudl I man badblocks?
[05:37] <dooglus> dsd: yes.  one thing though, you probably don't have all the sources you need set up yet.  it's easy to do though.
[05:37] <St0n3-C0l> crimmy: where do i see them ?
[05:38] <crimmy> MachineScrew: nearly all Linux source has a readme with instructions.
[05:38] <crimmy> St0n3-C0l: /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[05:38] <threat> good I was ignored :P I will try to google for it now ;)
[05:38] <pfp> danko123456: yeah, and also dont run 'badblocks /dev/hda' if your system is running from hda ;)
[05:38] <dsd> dooglus, youve been a great help but excuse me for my newbiness but what exactly are sources
[05:38] <MachineScrew> crimmy: I just need to apply the patch to the stock kernel using "dpatch" like you said
[05:39] <St0n3-C0l> crimmy: If I save the config file and then just replace with the newer one then ?
[05:39] <danko123456> well, I only have one hard drive there.
[05:39] <scoperesolutoin> is ssh set up be default in ubuntu?
[05:39] <transgress> no
[05:39] <danko123456> umount everything except /boot, or something??? i have no clue...
[05:39] <dooglus> dsd, did you run 'synaptic' yet?
[05:39] <cthulfuego> scoperesolutoin: Not the server, I think.
[05:39] <MachineScrew> crimmy: I am not a Linux novice just a Debian novice
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[05:39] <scoperesolutoin> ok
[05:39] <danko123456> put it into this machine???
[05:39] <St0n3-C0l> scoperesolution: openssh-client is installed bydefault and openssh-server u'll have to install it manually
[05:39] <scoperesolutoin> ok
[05:40] <pfp> danko123456: booting from a live or install cd would be a good idea then, running badblocks from that
[05:40] <cthulfuego> danko123456: GO to single-user mode, unmount all but /, then remount / read-only, then run fsck with appropriate options.
[05:40] <crimmy> MachineScrew: it'll be more efficient for you to use the stock (vanilla) make $config && make bzImage && make modules && ... method, then
[05:40] <danko123456> hmm...so man fsck and that badblocks then?
[05:40] <Varanger> crimmy: I entered to #alsa... should I ask about the problem there?
[05:40] <crimmy> Varanger: sec
[05:40] <danko123456> I have an install cd, I just did an install.
[05:40] <dsd> dooglus, no but im sure i have it. im going to try getting ubuntu onto a partition for now and ill get back to u when im on it. Im sure im going to run into a lot of trouble since i have a broadcom 4306 chipset as my wifi
[05:41] <crimmy> St0n3-C0l: copy Ubuntu's config over and make oldconfig
[05:41] <cthulfuego> danko123456: Then just boot the install cd, wait for the dialog to come up, hit alt-F2 and run fsck on the appropriate partition.
[05:41] <danko123456> dialog being that screen?
[05:41] <St0n3-C0l> u mean i save this ubuntu's config and then replace with the newer one and type command "make oldconfig" ?
[05:41] <pfp> http://ubcd.sourceforge.net/ <- also good for pure h/w diagnostics
[05:41] <crimmy> St0n3-C0l: you don't need to save it; it's already saved.
[05:42] <danko123456> thank you.
[05:42] <St0n3-C0l> plus how do I update grub ? like if u use lilo u type 'lilo'
[05:42] <crimmy> sudo update-grub
[05:42] <St0n3-C0l> ahan
[05:42] <danko123456> Its a new thing:( I am sick too, I really wish it worked out the box:)
[05:42] <St0n3-C0l> anyone using xchat 2.4.3 here ?
[05:43] <garnertr> evening (fr my area) all... :)
[05:43] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[05:43] <St0n3-C0l> morning here :P
[05:43] <garnertr> morning to you then...
[05:43] <Jormundgand> Early morning here.
[05:43] <Quest-Master> 11:43 PM :D
[05:43] <nalioth> you mean you guys actually sleep?
[05:43] <Jormundgand> 04:43 ;)
[05:43] <cthulfuego> 13:49
[05:43] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[05:43] <dsd> dooglus: one more thing, i have tried searching my chipset EVERYWHERE to see if it is compatible with any kind of wep hacking programs but ive found nothing, do u have any suggestions as to where i might obtain a program that is compatilbe with the bcm4306 chipset
[05:43] <St0n3-C0l> I haven't sleep yet
[05:43] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[05:43] <danko123456> Jormundgand: iceland?
[05:43] <pfp> danko123456: pity... :( sounds a bit like hardware trouble to me anyway
[05:44] <Jormundgand> danko123456: close, Britain.
[05:44] <threat> St0n3-C0l, me!
[05:44] <garnertr> I just wanted to thank everyone that helped me get my laptop to recognize my DVD/CDR player, dunno what happened but after slicking the dr and re-installing w/ the i386 flavor, everything is working GREAT!!
[05:44] <danko123456> yeAH it is obviously...:)
[05:44] <St0n3-C0l> threat: u too ?
[05:44] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[05:44] <DonL> 08:44 PM here
[05:44] <threat> 2.4.1
[05:44] <Jormundgand> danko123456: Although I've been to Iceland. Nice place.
[05:44] <dooglus> dsd: I don't know much about wireless, sorry.  I only tried for about 10 minutes to get WEP working with my adaptor before I decided that I'd rather use a cable anyway.
[05:44] <St0n3-C0l> ur using 2.4.3 or 2.4.1?
[05:44] <danko123456> Jormundgand: from your name, and the time, I made the mistake:)
[05:45] <Jormundgand> danko123456: Heh.
[05:45] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[05:45] <dsd> dooglus ok thanks alot ill try out ur suggestions
[05:45] <DonL> Jormundgand, I'd like to visit Iceland
[05:45] <St0n3-C0l> i dun how people check user's location by checking their ip :P
[05:45] <nalioth> dsd if your wireless works for the internet, it'll most likely (special cases won't) be usable for airsnort/whatever
[05:45] <garnertr> Now that my dr is being 'seen' I just need to get the right player to run my dvd's... :)
[05:45] <St0n3-C0l> if anybody knows bout this..please temme :>
[05:45] <_jah_> how do i add the mac os X like bar with all the icons on it that link to applications in ubuntu
[05:45] <danko123456> the first part before the . is ISP specific sometimes.
[05:46] <nalioth> _jah_: that is a damned good question
[05:46] <danko123456> There may be lists, St0n3-C0l.
[05:46] <Jormundgand> _jah_: A number of ways. You can use the Enlightenment bar, or there's a gDesklet, or there's Xfce.
[05:46] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[05:46] <nalioth> Jormundgand: enlightenment bar?
[05:46] <_jah_> i'm on the default gnome desktop
[05:47] <St0n3-C0l> ya know
[05:47] <St0n3-C0l> ?
[05:47] <Jormundgand> nalioth: I forget the name. Search "Enlightenment bar" on Google should bring it up.
[05:47] <crimmy> skel_home: err...?
[05:47] <St0n3-C0l> what do we say MAC OS X?
[05:47] <St0n3-C0l> theme
[05:47] <St0n3-C0l> black...bliar ?
[05:47] <St0n3-C0l> lolz
[05:47] <crimmy> skel_home: are you referring to mozilla-firefox?
[05:47] <St0n3-C0l> strange name :>
[05:47] <St0n3-C0l> something from m ?
[05:48] <skel_home> crimmy: yeah, came in here several days ago with that inquery and everyone assured me that the way ubuntu was doing things was the correct way.. I suggested that an updated version number would be most prudent and was shrugged off
[05:48] <danko123456> St0n3-C0l: got my explanation?
[05:48] <_jah_> can i type sudo apt-get install gDesklet
[05:48] <_jah_> and will it install and set it up for me?
[05:48] <Jormundgand> _jah_: sudo apt-get install gdesklets
[05:49] <skel_home> crimmy: so now I have to go read some damn bug submission to get the work around for installing extensions for firefox.
[05:49] <Jormundgand> _jah_: and yes.
[05:49] <_jah_> ok thanks
[05:49] <cthulfuego> skel_home: Suppose you got outvoted *shrug*
[05:49] <crimmy> skel_home: the problem is that Ubuntu's version _isn't_ 1.0.4
[05:49] <crimmy> skel_home: it's _only_ security fixes.
[05:49] <J35U5> anyone know a reason xmms would lock up whenever i try to play an mp3?
[05:49] <Jormundgand> J35U5: You need the plugin.
[05:49] <dr_willis> you just use the about:whaever and set the verison to be 1.0.4 :P and you can isntall them - i recall.
[05:49] <crimmy> skel_home: to reversion it as 1.0.4 would be misleading and incorrect.
[05:49] <_jah_> E: Malformed line 34 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[05:49] <_jah_> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[05:49] <danko123456> skel_home: you can aslo ask us to guide you thru it:)
[05:49] <skel_home> crimmy: thats fine.. but even debian does stuff like reflect that patch in the package info
[05:49] <J35U5> Jormundgand, i ahve it.
[05:49] <_jah_> i keep getting that message
[05:49] <IcemanV9> _jah_: i believe it is called "starter bar" in gdesklets. not sure though.
[05:49] <danko123456> open about:config in FF
[05:50] <St0n3-C0l> dankol123456: Yeah u mean there'll be alot of peoples who know bout this
[05:50] <danko123456> in the address batr
[05:50] <danko123456> then search for .vendorSub
[05:50] <St0n3-C0l> but temme what do we call MAC OS X theme in other words :P
[05:50] <dooglus> ubuntu still only offers firefox 1.0.2, with security fixes from 1.0.3 and 1.0.4 backported
[05:50] <skel_home> danko123456: I know, everyone in here has been very willing to help =]  that I am greatful for
[05:50] <danko123456> and change that to 1.0.4
[05:50] <pfp> J35U5: wrong output device in preferences maybe
[05:50] <Jormundgand> I'm slightly miffed that the backports 1.0.4 doesn't update its vendorSub.
[05:50] <danko123456> skel_home: and that is it.
[05:50] <danko123456> Jormundgand: yeah, that would be handy, I guess.
[05:50] <crimmy> skel_home: there's nothing in the changelog that even remotely suggests that it contains the bugfixes (not security fixes!) from 1.0.4
[05:51] <_jah_> my ap-get doesn't work for anything
[05:51] <_jah_> i keep getting a message saying E: Malformed line 34 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[05:51] <_jah_> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[05:51] <danko123456> sudo apt-get update
[05:51] <Jormundgand> _jah_: The error message is illuminating. Try pastebinning your /etc/apt/sources.list.
[05:51] <danko123456> then, also change your sources.list to www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list :)
[05:51] <skel_home> crimmy: which change log?
[05:51] <_jah_> how do i do that
[05:51] <skel_home> crimmy: the one for debian?
[05:51] <_jah_> Jormundgand
[05:51] <danko123456> skel_home: extensions work now?
[05:52] <Dr_Melectaus> seriously ive asked so many times ive lost count. Has _ANYONE_ got any idea when the dam torrent tracker will be back up ??
[05:52] <Jormundgand> _jah_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com and paste the output of cat /etc/apt/sources.list there.
[05:52] <skel_home> danko123456: will try shortly =]  though I'm leary of what else that may break =/
[05:52] <crimmy> skel_home: Ubuntu
[05:52] <danko123456> _jah_: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list , also change your sources.list to www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list
[05:52] <dooglus> Dr_Melectaus: did you know...  you can download using Azureus?
[05:52] <danko123456> skel_home: well, nothing breaks with that.
[05:52] <danko123456> Altho I never use ff, but I dont think that breaks anything.
[05:53] <Dr_Melectaus> dooglus, what do you mean
[05:53] <crimmy> skel_home: mozilla-firefox (1.0.2-0ubuntu5.3) hoary-security; urgency=low
[05:53] <danko123456> crimmy: where is that from?
[05:53] <_jah_> danko123456 why should I? is it an official repository, or are you trying to screw me over?
[05:53] <gizmo> Hey all- Hello!
[05:53] <dooglus> Dr_Melectaus: try downloading the torrent you want using Azureus.  You'll be amazed.  The tracker is down, but Azureus doesn't care about such trivialities...
[05:53] <danko123456> _jah_: You will never know...
[05:53] <danko123456> :)
[05:53] <_jah_> by the way pastebin.ubuntu.com doesn't seem to be responding
[05:53] <skel_home> crimmy: what was the reason for not releasing 1.0.4? I'd imagine it has a high enough userbase to be well enough tested.
[05:54] <danko123456> jj, it is something that a guy called nickrud did, adn it works great here, has all the official ubuntu repos...
[05:54] <crimmy> danko123456: the changelog
[05:54] <garnertr> dumbe newbie ?, how do I find a file on my ubuntu system?  I'm looking for a spec file but dunno how to "search", any tips? duh sorry just don't SEE it...
[05:54] <skel_home> the browser is a pretty critical thing to keep current
[05:54] <Dr_Melectaus> dooglus, will i be able to continue the download from where it stopped last week. i only have 200 megs left to go
[05:54] <crimmy> skel_home: it's standard security policy for Ubuntu
[05:54] <Johnnyfav> I installed an application with wine....onto the 'c:'  and I can't find it anywhere....where is it?
[05:54] <cthulfuego> skel_home: firefox is "a browser" not "the browser"
[05:54] <danko123456> _jah_: it is ubuntu.pastebin.com ...
[05:54] <skel_home> cthulfuego: your point?
[05:54] <danko123456> it is the browser almost...
[05:54] <skel_home> crimmy: I guess I can be greatful enough for security policies =P
[05:54] <perrygeo> Anyone know how to configure Ubuntu as a print server to XP machines on a LAN?
[05:55] <dr_willis> Johnnyfav,  theres a 'fake' windows dir somewher in your homedir. try 'ls -a'
[05:55] <danko123456> I mean, I cant install my epiphany without ff.
[05:55] <crimmy> skel_home: security fixes are backported. You can't ensure that a new version (1.0.4) that is a security fix doesn't also introduce new bugs.
[05:55] <cthulfuego> skel_home: Just pointing out that firefox isn't the be all and end all of Ubuntu.
[05:55] <dooglus> Dr_Melectaus: I would guess so, but I can't promise it - I've never tried switching bittorrent clients part way though.  If you have enough disk space, I would suggest making a copy of your partially completed file and pointing azureus at the new copy - that way if it tramples all over it, you've lost nothing
[05:55] <Dr_Melectaus> Cool
[05:55] <pfp> Johnnyfav: ~/.wine/fake_windows
[05:55] <skel_home> cthulfuego: never said it was. though it does have a hefty margin of the market out of the oss browsers.
[05:55] <Dr_Melectaus> dooglus, you got a link to this client?
[05:56] <nalioth> danko123456: we know you have secretly compiled every pkg available to ubuntu, and are pointing at that URL for your own nefarious purposes
[05:56] <dooglus> Dr_Melectaus: you need a the sun java runtime environment first - do you have it?
[05:56] <St0n3-C0l> MAC OS X theme is basically called ??? What ?
[05:56] <Johnnyfav> yeah
[05:56] <Johnnyfav> I tried that...but it'
[05:56] <cthulfuego> St0n3-C0l: Aqua
[05:56] <perrygeo> I've been trying CUPS for over an hour.. do I NEED to install Samba to make Ubuntu a print server?
[05:56] <Dr_Melectaus> yes dooglus
[05:56] <Johnnyfav> the directory Steam isn't on showing
[05:56] <St0n3-C0l> nah
[05:56] <St0n3-C0l> not aqua
[05:56] <cthulfuego> St0n3-C0l: Yes, Aqua.
[05:56] <St0n3-C0l> someone told me ...but i forgot
[05:56] <skel_home> crimmy: so is the policy to wait every 6 months for a new browser version and only release security fixes? that seems like a pretty weak cycle
[05:57] <St0n3-C0l> it was in apt-get too
[05:57] <dooglus> Dr_Melectaus: so it's here: http://azureus.sourceforge.net/download.php
[05:57] <Jormundgand> perrygeo: Only if sharing to Windows comps.
[05:57] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks dooglus
[05:57] <cthulfuego> What someone else calls it is a different matter. the UI style is called Aqua.
[05:57] <dooglus> no worries.
[05:57] <danko123456> nalioth: well, you know that, but, some newb...I will get my hands on one one of these days...Ive been learning foreign klanguages, I hear that the #ubuntu-xx are pretty dead, I could get away with lots there...
[05:57] <perrygeo> Jormundgand: So Samba is necessary... i heard you could do it through CUPS alone
[05:57] <Jormundgand> skel_home: If you care that much use backports and get the latest features.
[05:57] <J35U5> pfp, that was it. i had to change it to alsa.
[05:58] <Johnnyfav> I get into the fake windows directory and everything shows except Steam...then I go to reinstall it and when I browse for where I want to install it it shows Steam on c:
[05:58] <Johnnyfav> and I listed -a
[05:58] <Jormundgand> St0n3-C0l: There's a KDE theme called Baghira.
[05:58] <dooglus> Dr_Melectaus: apparently the tracker is up anyway...
[05:58] <gizmo> Baghira rocks
[05:58] <Dr_Melectaus> it is??
[05:58] <crimmy> skel_home: no, the policy has nothing to do with new versions whatsoever. The policy depends on backporting only the security fixes to whatever version the stable versions released with.
[05:58] <Dr_Melectaus> how longs it been up for dooglus ?
[05:58] <dooglus> Dr_Melectaus: I don't know - it was down on Friday, and seems to be up now.  I've been away for the weekend
[05:58] <skel_home> crimmy: ok. thanks for your time and patience. much appreciated =] 
[05:58] <St0n3-C0l> ahh
[05:58] <St0n3-C0l> bhagira
[05:58] <St0n3-C0l> bhaghira
[05:58] <St0n3-C0l> baghira :P
[05:58] <St0n3-C0l> i also found in the site :>
[05:58] <crimmy> skel_home: np
[05:59] <St0n3-C0l> Jormundgand: Thanks :)
[05:59] <pfp> J35U5: good. Esound / ESD can be a good choice too, to let other apps share the card
[05:59] <DonL> Is bhagira available for Gnome?
[05:59] <Jormundgand> St0n3-C0l: Baghira is the name of the panther from the Jungle Book.
[05:59] <garnertr> thanks; gotta blast...
[05:59] <St0n3-C0l> yeah
[05:59] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[05:59] <Jormundgand> DonL: No :( If you want to make it for GNOME I'm all for it.
[05:59] <St0n3-C0l> Disney Channel Rocks :P
[05:59] <gizmo> Jormundgand:  For real?
[05:59] <Davey|Ubuntu> anyone here migrated from Thunderbird Win -> Thunderbird Linux?
[06:00] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[06:00] <St0n3-C0l> yes
[06:00] <St0n3-C0l> :)
[06:00] <Jormundgand> Davey|Work: Yep! Diehard Thunderbird user.
[06:00] <Jormundgand> Davey|Ubuntu*
[06:00] <St0n3-C0l> I used once on windows
[06:00] <gizmo> So... KDE on Ubuntu is Kbuntu?
[06:00] <Jormundgand> gizmo: Kubuntu.
[06:00] <DonL> Davey|Ubuntu, how's it work under Windows. My boss wants to know
[06:00] <danko123456> kUbuntu:)
[06:00] <gizmo> Ahhh, ok.
[06:00] <St0n3-C0l> Donl: Works well with XP
[06:01] <Jormundgand> Hence the regexp to refer to both of them, (Ku|U)buntu.
[06:01] <nalioth> if y'all are bored check out the weather for Houston, tx
[06:01] <DonL> How's the spam stuff work?
[06:01] <nalioth> we're in a shi*storm here
[06:01] <Davey|Ubuntu> DonL: its awesome :)
[06:01] <Davey|Ubuntu> DonL: great after its trained :)
[06:01] <_jah_> i download the gDesklets
[06:01] <_jah_> and now i need help setting it up
[06:01] <DonL> That's what I needed to know. Thanks a bunch
[06:01] <Davey|Ubuntu> DonL: my wife, who is an art geek, loves Thunderbird :)
[06:01] <gizmo> Anyone here using Kubuntu?
[06:01] <_jah_> can someone help me?
[06:01] <Davey|Ubuntu> gizmo: there is a #kubuntu :)
[06:01] <danko123456> there is a #kubuntu I hear it is dead.
[06:01] <killapop> gizmo: im on kubuntu
[06:01] <danko123456> _jah_: yes, we all likely can.
[06:01] <danko123456> did you want us to?
[06:02] <Davey|Ubuntu> _jah_: Whats up? I have issues too
[06:02] <gizmo> killapop:  Is it a stable derivative?
[06:02] <Davey|Ubuntu> _jah_: find the Applications > Accessories > gDesklets stuff yet?
[06:02] <Jormundgand> gizmo: Kubuntu is stable, but it lacks the integration of Ubuntu.
[06:02] <_jah_> i want to get some of the desklets to show up
[06:02] <killapop> gizmo: yuss. i've been on it for about a week. no crashes
[06:02] <danko123456> _jah_: oh, setting up gdesklets, I havent got taht far, I just installed it so  far:)
[06:02] <_jah_> i went in to gdesklets and selected some and went to run selected
[06:02] <_jah_> and ti doesn't show
[06:02] <_jah_> it*
[06:03] <Jormundgand> gizmo: It needs to split from Ubuntu and set up its own set of repositories.
[06:03] <Jormundgand> Then it could make decisions independently.
[06:03] <Burgundavia> Jormundgand, no it doesn't, that is mad
[06:03] <IcemanV9> _jah_: gdesklets_data is broken .. uninstall it and install it manually from gdesklets website
[06:03] <St0n3-C0l> is there any way to enable direct rendering in my linux box ?
[06:03] <gizmo> Jormundgand:  So its a bit more complicated than Ubuntu with KDE 3.4 thrown in, eh?
[06:03] <Burgundavia> gizmo, Kubuntu is merely Ubuntu with Kde, instead of Gnome
[06:03] <Jormundgand> Burgundavia: That's my opinion, anyhow.
[06:03] <_jah_> ohh
[06:03] <danko123456> Jormundgand: I like your theory, I wonder if it has anything to do with reality, tho...
[06:03] <dooglus> does anyone use a 2-screen setup with ubuntu?
[06:03] <_jah_> how do I uninstall in ubuntu?
[06:03] <danko123456> Burgundavia: it can not merely be that,..
[06:04] <dooglus> _jah_: use synaptic
[06:04] <Burgundavia> DanglyBits, it is
[06:04] <Burgundavia> danko123456, it is
[06:04] <_jah_> ok
[06:04] <vince_> hello! does anyone have an Olympus Stylus 300 digital camera that was recognized as such (and not as a storage device) in ubuntu? I would really love to import my photos in linux... Thanks!
[06:04] <danko123456> Burgundavia: cause, kde uses kapps, and gnome uses gapps,. they are all different apps...
[06:04] <IcemanV9> _jah_: sudo apt-get remove <application>
[06:04] <Burgundavia> danko123456, the repos are the same, the packages are the same, the developers are the same
[06:04] <DonL> I tried to install KDE on Warty, and had a heck of a time doing it. Everything looked wrong. I ended up uninstalling it, and that was a nightmare
[06:04] <St0n3-C0l> cocaine: LOL I WANT SOME :P
[06:04] <Burgundavia> DonL, Warty did not have Kubuntu yet
[06:04] <dooglus> danko123456: you can install and run 'kapps' in GNOME, and 'gapps' in KDE...
[06:04] <St0n3-C0l> jus wanna try :>
[06:04] <danko123456> vince_: just plugging it in should bring up a dialog asking if you want to inmport photos, are you using gnome?
[06:05] <cocaine> St0n3-C0l, shut the fuck up
[06:05] <DonL> Burgundavia, no, but it had the ability to install KDE
[06:05] <cocaine> fucking crack head
[06:05] <St0n3-C0l> mummyy
[06:05] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[06:05] <Burgundavia> DonL, it did
[06:05] <danko123456> haha
[06:05] <vince_> danko123456, yes, it brings it up, but if I do File/Import in gThumb, it tells me no camera found...
[06:05] <Burgundavia> St0n3-C0l, please remember the Ubuntu code of conduct
[06:05] <St0n3-C0l> dankol123456: can I msg u
[06:05] <Burgundavia> cocaine, you as well
[06:05] <St0n3-C0l> me ?
[06:05] <danko123456> well, hm...is there a /media/usbdisk?
[06:05] <DonL> That's okay... The more I play with Gnome, the more I like it
[06:05] <St0n3-C0l> alright :)
[06:06] <cocaine> Burgundavia, yes sir.
[06:06] <vince_> so it's quite inconvenient. gThumb remembers the camera as a folder, and doesn't load the pictures if the camera's not plugged in
[06:06] <danko123456> St0n3-C0l: yeah, if you have something to say...
[06:06] <QMario> Why is there an error in MPLAYER of that there are too many video packets in the buffer?
[06:06] <danko123456> vince_: please connect the camera, and do ls /media/usbdisk
[06:06] <QMario> I am trying to watch The Lion King.
[06:06] <vince_> danko123456, ok, just a sec
[06:07] <_jah_> ok so i goto http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/  and download what from there?
[06:08] <_jah_> http://www.pycage.de/download/gdesklets/gDesklets-0.34.3.tar.bz2 ?
[06:08] <vince_> danko123456, well, it does mount it properly, I see one folder dcim
[06:08] <_jah_> some one can please help me?
[06:08] <IcemanV9> _jah_: you already installed the base gdesklets .. look for sensor that you want to use
[06:08] <danko123456> cool,
[06:08] <_jah_> but you told me it was broken
[06:08] <danko123456> dcim is the right folder, ls that one.
[06:09] <_jah_> and i removed it
[06:09] <dooglus> is it possible to have a "notification area" on 2 different displays at the same time?  it doesn't seem to want to work for me
[06:09] <IcemanV9> _jah_: yeah. gdesklet-data (ubuntu package) is broken.
[06:09] <vince_> danko123456, but the dialogue that pops up only asks "Import photos from device", with no options like delete from camera...
[06:09] <_jah_> ohh
[06:09] <danko123456> you need to do it manually, the interface is different....pm me for a brief intro.
[06:10] <QMario> Why is there an error in MPLAYER of that there are too many video packets in the buffer?
[06:10] <_jah_> so i got back and do sudo apt-get install gdesklets and then gotot he website and download the different sensors and things i want
[06:10] <IcemanV9> _jah_: not from gdesklets website ... you'll have to download one of those sensors that you want to use
[06:10] <_jah_> and added it
[06:10] <IcemanV9> _jah_: u got it, pal :)
[06:10] <_jah_> ye and i made alot of typos
[06:10] <_jah_> thanks
[06:11] <thechitowncubs> Is there any way to get Rhythmbox to load a large library?
[06:11] <thechitowncubs> It never works for me.
[06:11] <thechitowncubs> my library is about 7,000 songs
[06:12] <St0n3-C0l> 7,000 songs :P
[06:12] <dr_willis> thats ALMOST enough to fill an ipod!@
[06:12] <dr_willis> :p
[06:12] <DonL> off for the night. See ya later, folks
[06:12] <Jormundgand> Does anyone else agree that OpenOffice.org has a silly name compared to something like KOffice which keeps a sense of identity?
[06:13] <raDeon> Jormundgand, no.
[06:13] <pfp> i've never liked .org part
[06:13] <raDeon> Jormundgand, i strongly disagree with that statement
[06:13] <Jormundgand> Because KOffice is made up of KWord, KSpread, KPresent...there's a sense of togetherness about it. Compare with "OpenOffice.org Word Processor"... it's not a name, it's a description.
[06:13] <dooglus> Jormundgand: koffice sounds like a throat medicine to me
[06:13] <QMario> Is vlc better at playing DVDs than Totem or Mplayer?
[06:13] <raDeon> QMario, no.
[06:13] <transgress> QMario: i prefer it
[06:14] <transgress> it skips a lot less for me
[06:14] <raDeon> it's a matter of taste
[06:14] <QMario> What is the best player for DVDs?
[06:14] <hardcampa-> Ogle is probably best at dvds then xine and or vlc
[06:14] <transgress> well compared to totem
[06:14] <raDeon> QMario, windows media player
[06:14] <_jah_> how do i add more icons to the starterbar
[06:14] <Seq> i prefer totem
[06:14] <raDeon> totem is the shiznit
[06:14] <pfp> i prefer totem and the assorted mishmash of plugins
[06:14] <hardcampa-> totem support dvd menus?
[06:15] <pfp> yes
[06:15] <QMario> RaDeon, I meant in Ubuntu.
[06:15] <hardcampa-> with same plugin as xine I guess then pfp
[06:15] <raDeon> QMario, keep the R lowercase please.
[06:15] <Seq> hardcampa-: it can, i beleive. but i prefer it because it doesn't have to
[06:15] <thechitowncubs> Anyone have an answer?
[06:15] <pfp> totem-xine, yep
[06:15] <Jormundgand> raDeon: You sound like me when I used the name "XinuX". I got bitchy when people spelt it "Xinux".
[06:15] <raDeon> thechitowncubs, yes
[06:15] <hardcampa-> Seq I get that, only sometimes you need to access those menues
[06:16] <thechitowncubs> or is large library support a no no
[06:16] <raDeon> Jormundgand, congratulations, i am happy for your anecdotal idiocy.
[06:16] <Seq> hardcampa-: haven't had that come up yet, personally anyway
[06:16] <QMario> Sorry, raDeon. :-D
[06:17] <raDeon> QMario, no problems at all, but the emperor is not as forgiving as me
[06:17] <nern> hello there
[06:17] <Seq> thechitowncubs: i'd google it, its likely not ubuntu specific if large libraries don't work
[06:17] <raDeon> nern, wtf u want
[06:17] <nern> nothing
[06:17] <danko123456> he is joking, nern.
[06:17] <nern> i know i know
[06:17] <raDeon> am i?
[06:17] <nern> :)
[06:17] <danko123456> ghe keeps having these absurd jokes...
[06:18] <raDeon> hahahaha that's because i am clinically insane
[06:18] <nern> nice
[06:18] <danko123456> regardless of whether you are, it is better for us to say you are:)
[06:18] <raDeon> license to kill, i do believe
[06:18] <nern> i just switched to ubuntu like a week ago
[06:18] <atomicstardust> I just installed this (Ubuntu) on my laptop and I love it. I used to run RedHat 7,8,9 and Fedora core 2 and 3, and suse 8, and this has thus far impressed me.
[06:18] <Ryan_> Uhm, im not sure if any of you guys can help me, but ive got a problem and i know that the people in here are freindly and know alot in there fields but ive got a problem :-\
[06:18] <raDeon> nern, let me get a high-five
[06:19] <raDeon> may i say that you've made an excellent choice
[06:19] <Jormundgand> Ryan_: Go see the genitourinary clinic. They're specialists in dealing with "problems".
[06:19] <nate__> i know there is kdm, and there is gdm, but is there one thats native to xfce?
[06:19] <Jormundgand> nate__: Technically xdm, but that sucks.
[06:19] <nern> gdm would be yer best bet
[06:19] <nern> since it is gtk based also
[06:19] <Seq> Ryan_: whats the issue?
[06:19] <nate__> Jormundgand: i'm just sick of xfce asking me for my password when i want to shut down
[06:20] <nern> yeah that would be annoying
[06:20] <nern> thats weird though
[06:20] <Ryan_> lol Jormundgand, unfortunatly its to do with my HDD. I think its got a corrupt sector in it if thats the correct term. basicly when ever it gets to a certain part of it i hear it clicking like its jumping, then my screen frezes and i get the blue screen of death
[06:20] <nern> i installed xfce also and it never did that
[06:20] <nate__> nern: i think its that xfce isn't native to gdm, not sure though
[06:20] <danko123456> Ryan_: nice:)
[06:20] <nern> i donno
[06:21] <danko123456> I have a bad hard on my hands too...:) it suck, tho, I dont even feel like fixing it...
[06:21] <nalioth> Ryan_: you get a BSOD on ubuntu?
[06:21] <nate__> nern: in theory it makes sense though, shutting down is a root action, so sudo would be required
[06:21] <nate__> nern: but its annoying
[06:21] <nern> yeah
[06:21] <nalioth> Ryan_: your HD is on its death throes
[06:21] <Ryan_> im actually running Dows xp :( i litrally just finished downloading ubuntu live/dvd about a min ago
[06:21] <nalioth> Ryan_: save what you can quickly and buy a new one
[06:21] <atomicstardust> I don't really know too much about linux but over the yeras I've picked up enough to know the basic structure. Is there a particularly good book or resource that would assist me and would apply to ubuntu as well?
[06:22] <nate__> anyone had the issue with xfce where it asks you for a pword to shutdown?
[06:22] <Ryan_> nalioth, ive got a 5 year warranty. cost me 500, the feckers at compaq can send me a free on :)
[06:22] <Jormundgand> nate__: yes.
[06:22] <Seq> Ryan_: i was going to suggest tailing kernel output, but you can't do that in windows :p
[06:22] <nalioth> atomicstardust: any good linux book will help you
[06:22] <Ryan_> :(
[06:22] <nalioth> Ryan_: then get to writing
[06:22] <nalioth> Ryan_: but save your stuff (pR0n takes a long time to collect)
[06:23] <Seq> Ryan_: i'd say try burning important stuff to cds before you try playing around with it
[06:23] <Ryan_> nalioth, ive got the day off college. im going to take care of it today ;O
[06:23] <nate__> Jormundgand: any fix for it?
[06:23] <Seq> Ryan_: but you might just want to get a new drive (or test the drive in another machine as well)
[06:23] <Jormundgand> nate__: besides screwing your system up, no.
[06:23] <atomicstardust> nalioth, does it have to be debian related or can it be a book for redhat
[06:23] <nalioth> Ryan_: as seq said, burn off your valuable (pR0n) data b4 dealing further
[06:23] <nern> i have a craptastic 5400rpm 40GB drive sitting right next to me
[06:23] <nate__> Jormundgand: how so?
[06:23] <danko123456> atomicstardust: pm...
[06:23] <nalioth> atomicstardust: the general usage is the same for all linux
[06:23] <Ryan_> ill take it out later and remove the caseing to see if its anything like dust (god knows how it got thru the caseing)
[06:24] <Jormundgand> nate__: I was messing around, did a server install and installed xorg separately in an attempt to get xfce on its own (Xubuntu?) and it didn't ask, but the system was f*cked.
[06:24] <nalioth> atomicstardust: and even reading about rpms and such can be enlightening
[06:24] <nate__> Jormundgand: heh, ok, yeah, no thanks
[06:24] <Seq> Ryan_: uhh, don't remove the casing on the hard disk
[06:24] <Ryan_> nalioth, i burn all porn to disc anyway. Too much for one hard drive im afrais :P
[06:24] <danko123456> nalioth: funny...the pr0n parts...:)
[06:24] <Ryan_> seq: why not
[06:24] <nalioth> atomicstardust: regardless of what you're thinking, sometimes you have to interact with a rpm here in debian land
[06:24] <nate__> Jormundgand: figured it was cuz it wasn't native, no worries, its just annoying
[06:24] <Ryan_> just to inspect if theres any visable damage to it
[06:24] <danko123456> atomicstardust: PM!:)
[06:24] <Ryan_> if there isnt im demanding a new one
[06:24] <nalioth> Ryan_: a wise choice (keeps snoops from find it easily)
[06:24] <nern> i go out of my way to never touch rpms
[06:24] <Seq> Ryan_: you'll almost certainly mess up the alignment
[06:24] <nern> ha
[06:25] <nern> how come ubuntu is mean about using alternate repos?
[06:25] <Ryan_> alignment? im only takeing the metal boxing off the hdd. not totally stripping it down :-\
[06:25] <atomicstardust> nanlioth, thank you, I think I understand now.
[06:25] <Seq> Ryan_: and no manufacturer in their right mind would replace a drive under warranty that looked like it has been opened
[06:25] <Jormundgand> nern: Because NON-OFFICIAL DEBS ARE IMPURE. >:O
[06:25] <crimmy> nern: because supporting them is a pain.
[06:25] <nalioth> Ryan_: i agree don't mess with it at all. call compaqs WonderFul customer svc and ask them what to do
[06:26] <nalioth> Ryan_: otw, you may void warranty
[06:26] <Ryan_> ok seq ill take your advice. ill ask if i can get a new one sent out. i just hope they dont bloody want me to send my laptop away so they can inspect it themselves
[06:26] <nalioth> Ryan_: its in a lappy?
[06:26] <nalioth> Ryan_: say goodbye for a while
[06:26] <Seq> Ryan_: the spindle the platters sit on screws into the top and the bottom of the drive. you must undo the top to take the casing off (at least all of my book-ends were like this)
[06:26] <Ryan_> last time i had a problem with the CPU, and the power supply. The retard at tech support just wouldnt listen
[06:27] <Ryan_> nalioth, yes
[06:27] <nern> i need a new cpu
[06:27] <Seq> Ryan_: i've read of too many people trying to replace the top of their hard disks with clear plexiglass for case mods, and their drives never work afterwards
[06:27] <Ryan_> nern, ive had 2 new cpu's for this lappy. its always haveing problems with them
[06:27] <Seq> Ryan_: yeah, i've been having issues with my laptop for a while too
[06:28] <nalioth> Ryan_: one of my clients kids has a HP lappy with a prob i could fix in 5 minutes onsite. however it's under warranty and the parents would rather send it off for 3 weeks
[06:28] <nern> dont you hate that
[06:28] <nalioth> Ryan_: to solve future probs with lappys, buy yourself an iBook
[06:28] <Seq> Ryan_: they've replaced my motherboard three times and the lcd once (over three calls -- next one is a direct replacement. finally)
[06:28] <Ryan_> nalioth, thats exatly what i hate. sending it off and haveing geeky bastards searching for porn so they can back it up for free
[06:29] <danko123456> Seq: nice....
[06:29] <Ryan_> ibook? thats apple aint it?
[06:29] <nern> this lady at work was telling me how she took her computer to a computer repair guy and paid like 200 dollars for him to "clean up" her system and install a new cd drive(not even a burner)
[06:29] <dr_willis> heh.
[06:29] <Seq> nalioth: so you can have the logic board die? I've never heard of any model of laptop that will be completely issue free
[06:29] <danko123456> nern: yup, standard rip-off procedure...
[06:29] <Ryan_> seq, ive had new cpu, then new mobo, then another new cpu, new charger, and something else
[06:29] <Ryan_> cant remember
[06:29] <nern> its sad
[06:30] <Seq> nern: future shop here has a $75 "computer checkup" :D
[06:30] <danko123456> nern: did you tell her you would have installed a hard disk ;) for that much??
[06:30] <danko123456> Seq: future shop is only in canada, right?
[06:30] <Seq> danko123456: yeah, but its best buy. same deal
[06:30] <_kevin> whats the short cut to take a screenshot
[06:30] <Seq> but on commission!
[06:30] <danko123456> I kno, I live here too:)
[06:30] <nalioth> Ryan_: yes iBooks can be had under $999usd (or cheaper, if ya have the student discount)
[06:30] <_kevin> i jus customized my desktop and wnana take a pic of it
[06:30] <nern> well i told he she could have bought a dvd burner for under a hundred bucks and i could have easily installed that and then she could have burned all important data to a dvd and then reformatted
[06:31] <danko123456> Seq: which city?
[06:31] <Seq> danko123456: London, you?
[06:31] <_kevin> while i play with gdesklet
[06:31] <danko123456> _kevin: is it gnome?
[06:31] <_kevin> ye
[06:31] <danko123456> seq, winnipef.
[06:31] <St0n3-C0l> London is in Canada :P
[06:31] <_kevin> this _jah_
[06:31] <nern> man i love gnome
[06:31] <St0n3-C0l> I heard it's in England
[06:31] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[06:31] <nern> i switched to it when i switched to ubuntu
[06:31] <_kevin> but my normal nick is _kevin
[06:31] <nern> and i am now mad that i ever used kde
[06:31] <Ryan_> is ubuntu 5.04-dvd i386.iso meant to be 2.74gb ?? just to make sure ive dl it all
[06:31] <nalioth> hate to break this news, but London is in Kentucky
[06:32] <Seq> St0n3-C0l: 'New London' is also taken, so i guess you gotta settle with something
[06:32] <danko123456> ah, well, you go System, Take Screenshot, alt+f1 to open the first menu, then twice to the right arrow, and then down arrow, and select take screenshot.
[06:32] <Ryan_> because when the tracker went down i ended up wasteing about 10 dvd's burning it and trying to make the fecker boot
[06:32] <nern> i live in ky
[06:32] <Seq> danko123456: i was there in summer 2003. Great city :)
[06:32] <disquiet> hullo
[06:32] <danko123456> is anyone gonna throw a comment about KFC?
[06:32] <danko123456> hi.
[06:32] <danko123456> thanks, not too bad:)
[06:32] <Seq> danko123456: granted only there for about eleven hours, but meh
[06:32] <danko123456> A lot of ppl complain, tho..
[06:32] <danko123456> hehe...
[06:32] <St0n3-C0l> brb
[06:33] <IcemanV9> Ryan_: just md5sum the iso file to be sure. that's all you need.
[06:33] <Ryan_> IcemanV9, uhm. how do i do that. i have the hash but ive always wondered wtf its for
[06:33] <nern> i cant run the UT2004 linux installer for some reason
[06:33] <disquiet> I think... I am realizing that I may just be too stupid for linux
[06:34] <danko123456> disquiet: thats weird...
[06:34] <Seq> alright, time for the nightly "find ac adapter in next three minutes" dance
[06:34] <disquiet> I'm getting ready to pitch my computer out the window and get a pretty colored plastic mac
[06:34] <nern> everybody has to start somewhere
[06:34] <IcemanV9> Ryan_: md5sum <filename>.iso
[06:34] <nern> i hate macs
[06:34] <danko123456> disquiet: ya, me too, but then I think abiout how that would be giving up, and meek...
[06:34] <Ryan_> IcemanV9, where to i input it??
[06:34] <nalioth> Ryan_: in your case, you
[06:34] <nalioth> 'll need to d/l a windoze widget to find md5s
[06:34] <Ryan_> sorry IcemanV9 ive never really done this before
[06:34] <clay> mac is the place to be
[06:34] <disquiet> I promised a friend I would do this linux dealie, to help increase the number of decently attractive female nerds
[06:34] <nalioth> IcemanV9: ryan only has windoze
[06:35] <disquiet> I'm ready to quit already and it's been 24 hours
[06:35] <Ryan_> :(
[06:35] <nern> its a super sexy resource hog
[06:35] <Jormundgand> disquiet: What is the problem?
[06:35] <IcemanV9> Ryan_: you're on windows .. which mades sense. ha. sorry.
[06:35] <nalioth> disquiet: decently attractive?
[06:35] <danko123456> disquiet: well, what are you seeing issues with?
[06:35] <disquiet> It just seems to be one problem after another. I just don't know how to DO anything, and I think I can learn
[06:35] <disquiet> but can't find someplace that explains things easily to me
[06:35] <IcemanV9> Ryan_: you'll need to d/l md5sum version for windows. search for it via google.
[06:35] <Ryan_> 2.74 gigs. is that the file size. cant find it on the site so just wondering if it is that so i can burn it and boot up
[06:35] <geetergod> when I go to use apt-get i get this message...
[06:35] <geetergod> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-extras/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net_dists_hoary-extras_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[06:35] <geetergod> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[06:35] <disquiet> Well, first of all, I just got it up and running so I want it to be the way I like it. I'm very computer picky.
[06:36] <nalioth> disquiet: if you start galeon, the start page will lead you to 'local documentation'
[06:36] <disquiet> First, don't kill me, but I don't like firefox.
[06:36] <raDeon> stfu
[06:36] <danko123456> well, it takes time...
[06:36] <bob2> geetergod: don't use backports
[06:36] <danko123456> I dont like it neither...
[06:36] <raDeon> you are not allowed to dislike firefox
[06:36] <nalioth> disquiet: firefox blows
[06:36] <danko123456> haha
[06:36] <geetergod> dont use backports?
[06:36] <disquiet> I like opera
[06:36] <danko123456> ok, use that...
[06:36] <raDeon> opera is for fat people
[06:36] <geetergod> I was just trying to install Flashplayer for Firefox
[06:36] <Ryan_> ohhh, another thing. a .ISO once fully downloaded is it supposed to have an icon on dows for that format or should it just come up as an unrecognisable program?
[06:36] <J35U5> konquerer
[06:36] <Touru> Opera is awesome.
[06:36] <disquiet> right, I want to use opera, but once I download the file, I can't install it. Because.... I'm not that smart.
[06:36] <geetergod> but the message comes up a lot when i try to install stuff
[06:37] <danko123456> I dont know why, but the guy actually amuses me, I like most the jokes, what abotu you others.??
[06:37] <disquiet> I'm just windows-spoiled
[06:37] <nalioth> disquiet: if you become a linux geek(ette) your system will never be "complete" cuz you'll always be tweakin for better (performance, looks, etc)
[06:37] <bob2> geetergod: did you forget to run 'sudo apt-get update'
[06:37] <danko123456> disquiet: for installing anything...pretty much....
[06:37] <disquiet> I'm used to everything being obvious and done for me
[06:37] <raDeon> i like my jokes
[06:37] <Seq> since when is opera taboo?
[06:37] <danko123456> you need to change the file at the position /etc/apt/sources.list to look like this...
[06:37] <nalioth> Ryan_: prob unrecognizable
[06:37] <geetergod> just type 'sudo apt-get update' in terminal correct?
[06:37] <danko123456> www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list
[06:37] <nalioth> Ryan_: get you a md5 wanger from www.freewarehome.com
[06:37] <Ryan_> thanks nalioth  ;)
[06:37] <disquiet> nalioth, I don't mind that at all, I'm totally a closet geek. It's just really different than what I'm used to
[06:37] <bob2> geetergod: yes
[06:37] <danko123456> disquiet: read those posts, please^^
[06:38] <nalioth> disquiet: it can be made to look almost exactly like you're used to
[06:38] <disquiet> I am reading danko
[06:38] <Ryan_> right im going to burn this disc. 11th time lucky
[06:38] <danko123456> k, so, change that file, usiong perhaps sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:38] <danko123456> and make it like that.
[06:38] <disquiet> nalioth, I don't need it to be exactly like Windows. I'm just having trouble with the fact that my computer doesn't hold my hand anymore.
[06:38] <nalioth> disquiet: you will be amazed as you learn, how much freedom you have to have a system that is what YOU want
[06:38] <Touru> danko123456: Can't you also do that easily with Synaptic?
[06:38] <IcemanV9> hope it's a 'RW' disc
[06:38] <geetergod> how do i restart Firefox? simply closing out the browser and opening it again?
[06:39] <danko123456> Then you will have all the ubuntu repositories enabled, and you need to do sudo apt-get update
[06:39] <bob2> geetergod: close all the windows, yes
[06:39] <nern> may i ask why you got the dvd? are you not sure that you want to install it and want to try it out as a live cd first?
[06:39] <geetergod> k
[06:39] <danko123456> Touru: dunno, never almost yuse it...
[06:39] <nalioth> disquiet: yes, losing the handholding is different at first, but you'll get past it
[06:39] <danko123456> I know you can, actually, i dunno how, tho.
[06:39] <Seq> disquiet: so.. you switched to linux.. because your friend asked?
[06:39] <disquiet> ok, danko, thanks
[06:39] <Cy|Hyper> Still having wifi problems
[06:39] <disquiet> Seq - he thought I would like it
[06:39] <danko123456> disquiet: that is only a part f it.
[06:39] <Touru> Yeah, I'm sure you can. 's terribly easily.
[06:39] <Dr_Melectaus> im so dam excited :D
[06:39] <danko123456> then, you update as I said tehre.
[06:39] <disquiet> And I assume I eventually will.
[06:39] <Dr_Melectaus> liberation from windows
[06:39] <nalioth> disquiet: may i recommend the galeon web browser?
[06:39] <danko123456> from there on...it is all fun and games.
[06:39] <danko123456> disquiet: did you notice synaptic yet?
[06:40] <Seq> disquiet: i've been planning on guerilla installs next time i do my "hey, come hang out -- and bring adaware" calls
[06:40] <Touru> But Opera isn't in any of the Ubuntu repositories, anyway.
[06:40] <geetergod> Flash still doesnt work on the Doom3 page
[06:40] <disquiet> hang on, I'm getting a bit overwhelmed, let me scroll up and make myself understand some stuff
[06:40] <danko123456> Touru: isnt????????
[06:40] <geetergod> where can i test that it works?
[06:40] <danko123456> serious???
[06:40] <Seq> apparently i've been going about things all wrong
[06:40] <nern> im trying to leave windows completely, but i keep it around for dvd shrink. i havent found an equally convient way to copy dvds.
[06:40] <Touru> danko123456: Nope. I think you have to grab  it from the Opera site.
[06:40] <nalioth> disquiet: you keep up the guerilla mindset
[06:40] <Seq> danko123456: opera isn't Free software
[06:40] <beginner> is any posibility to set a better conection to internet
[06:40] <disquiet> Seq - my friends just badgered me saying "ONE OF US ONE OF US"
[06:40] <Touru> I just installed Ubuntu early this week, so I haven't messed with it that much.
[06:41] <disquiet> until I admitted my nerdery
[06:41] <thechitowncubs> Can you encode local files not on a cd w/ Grip?
[06:41] <beginner> because i have this:Failed to fetch http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ubp/dists/hoary-extras/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz  403 Forbidden
[06:41] <danko123456> youa re all joking?
[06:41] <bob2> danko123456: how on earth could Opera be in Ubuntu?  It's proprietary, non-dsitributable software.
[06:41] <Cy|Hyper> Hey
[06:41] <Dr_Melectaus> can the ubuntu live/dvd be used to partition my hard drive so i can still have a small space for dows?
[06:41] <bob2> thechitowncubs: no
[06:41] <Seq> danko123456: what? about opera? no
[06:41] <danko123456> I have no clue of that:)
[06:41] <Cy|Hyper> I'm having trouble with wireless internet
[06:41] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: yes
[06:41] <danko123456> I never used that program, in fact:)
[06:41] <Cy|Hyper> Can anyone help?
[06:41] <thechitowncubs> bob2: any gui's that can do that?
[06:41] <nern> DR: yes
[06:41] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks bob2
[06:41] <P229> bob2, opera distributes linux binaries
[06:41] <geetergod> i installed Flashplayer for Firefox yet it still doesnt work
[06:42] <Dr_Melectaus> cheers nern
[06:42] <bob2> P229: yes, but no one else is allowed to
[06:42] <Dr_Melectaus> :O
[06:42] <geetergod> Im trying to just view the flash site on doom3.com
[06:42] <nalioth> Dr_Melectaus: if you want to keep such nastiness around, yes
[06:42] <bob2> thechitowncubs: don't think so
[06:42] <nern> anyone copy dvds in linux?
[06:42] <P229> bob2, doesn't mean they don't /me shrugs
[06:42] <Jormundgand> I'm going to see if I can convert my neighbour - they constantly complain because Windows causes problems for them, so I think I can use that to (my|their) advantage.
[06:42] <Dr_Melectaus> ubuntu, i assume your the creator behind the os??
[06:42] <beginner> is any posibility to set a better conection to internet
[06:42] <bob2> P229: right...I was addressing danko123456's surprise that it wasn't in Ubuntu
[06:42] <danko123456> P229: he said that right off the bat...you joined in a little later...
[06:42] <Jormundgand> Dr_Melectaus: The creator of Linux is Linus Torvalds.
[06:42] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: no, that's some random person who has nothing at all to do with Ubuntu
[06:42] <Dr_Melectaus> nalioth, no choice im afraid. i do graphics and the like so i need photoshop
[06:42] <disquiet> I finally hit the end of my rope when I had a virus and windows update was hung up on 92% for 3 days and everything kept crashing
[06:42] <geetergod> geetergod@cpe-66-24-86-121:~$ sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[06:42] <geetergod> Password:
[06:42] <geetergod> Reading package lists... Done
[06:42] <geetergod> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:42] <geetergod> flashplayer-mozilla is already the newest version.
[06:42] <geetergod> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:42] <disquiet> On a nearly new computer
[06:42] <nalioth> well time for a nap
[06:42] <danko123456> I thought always it is a OS program for some reason..
[06:43] <geetergod> does that mean that i have flashplayer installed correctly?
[06:43] <ubuntu> jhlk
[06:43] <Dr_Melectaus> Jormundgand, i know who created linux. But i was referring to ubuntu
[06:43] <danko123456> yes,.
[06:43] <nalioth> Dr_Melectaus: then buy a mac, older models are cheap and very able to run PS
[06:43] <IcemanV9> geetergod: check and see if it is installed via "about:plugin"
[06:43] <ubuntu> 10-4
[06:43] <Dr_Melectaus> nalioth, i would have more machines if i wernt a 17 year old student with no job :(
[06:43] <danko123456> Dr_Melectaus: you were joking too, right???
[06:43] <disquiet> does anyone know of a connection between linux and insomnia? I feel like I haven't slept in days.
[06:43] <geetergod> how do i do that Iceman?
[06:43] <IcemanV9> geetergod: and please don't paste it in this channel next time!
[06:43] <Dr_Melectaus> jokeing about what danko123456
[06:44] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: you'll never see someone with the same nick as projects they work on
[06:44] <geetergod> k sorry
[06:44] <nern> i have the makings for a second desktop... minus a processor
[06:44] <danko123456> him being the creator just of his nick??
[06:44] <Dr_Melectaus> lol Touru
[06:44] <Seq> geetergod: i usually just go to a site that needs flash, and click the "install plugin" button in firefox..
[06:44] <nalioth> disquiet, i dual booted for about 6 months way back then, and then windoze went permanently away
[06:44] <bob2> the only people who do that sort of thing tend to be new users who don't know better
[06:44] <IcemanV9> geetergod: open firefox ... type 'about:plugin' in the address
[06:44] <nalioth> disquiet: i've been windoze free for about 5 years now
[06:44] <disquiet> I didn't do the dual boot thing, I knew I would give up if I did
[06:44] <Seq> nern: bah, you don't need a processor!
[06:44] <danko123456> Dr_Melectaus: you didnt really think he was, did you??
[06:44] <nern> lol
[06:45] <disquiet> oh my, I can download porn better now?
[06:45] <Dr_Melectaus> lol bob. Like when matrix online was released everyone was comeing up with nicks variating for the The 1 (teh_1, th3_1 the_one ...)
[06:45] <disquiet> This just gets better and better.
[06:45] <danko123456> I heard someone else say that b4 that is why I ask...
[06:45] <Seq> nalioth: congrats on the windows free. im stuck on windows for some school and for work :(
[06:45] <Dr_Melectaus> danko123456, wasnt sure tbh :)
[06:45] <danko123456> sudo porn-get yup...:)
[06:45] <nern> hahaha
[06:45] <disquiet> I have to use Windows at work, and I work for a techy type company
[06:45] <Jormundgand> danko123456: Shall we start the porn-get project?
[06:45] <danko123456> Dr_Melectaus: that is awesome, I had seen someone ask the same exact thing b4...
[06:45] <geetergod> it does nothing when i enter 'about:plugin' in the addy window
[06:45] <nern> YES
[06:45] <nalioth> seq, i work with windoze all the time for my clients, but my personal machines don't
[06:45] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: yeah, and I bet none of them were the wakowlski brothers or Keanu ;)
[06:45] <danko123456> It works, apt-cache search porn-getr
[06:45] <cthulfuego> geetergod: about:plugins - note the 's'
[06:46] <Touru> danko123456: You have to be kiddin.
[06:46] <Touru> g.
[06:46] <geetergod> sheesh, thanks
[06:46] <disquiet> I work with the world's most obnoxious program at work all day.
[06:46] <Dr_Melectaus> yup bob2 :)
[06:46] <disquiet> Not even linux could make that better
[06:46] <Seq> nalioth: my home desktop has windows installed so i can play a few games. its horribly out of date since i rarely play games anymore
[06:46] <bob2> disquiet: Matlab?
[06:46] <Jormundgand> jormundgand@ketsuban:~$ sudo apt-cache search porn
[06:46] <Jormundgand> pornview - Image and movie viewer/manager
[06:46] <disquiet> bob2: SAP
[06:46] <Jormundgand> :o :o :o
[06:46] <nalioth> mac minis are cheap
[06:46] <bob2> disquiet: ouch
[06:46] <nalioth> goonight all
[06:46] <Touru> Whoa.
[06:46] <geetergod> says Shockwave Flash and FutureSplash Player are enabled
[06:46] <Dr_Melectaus> I guess ill be going to the library and getting some books out on Bash then
[06:46] <danko123456> Touru: serious, about the someone asking a guy with ubuntu as nick about being the creator of ubuntu,...not serious about porn0-get...
[06:46] <nern> i dont play that many pc games so i just get the ones that can run natively in linux
[06:46] <bob2> it's just an image viewer
[06:46] <nalioth> disquiet: welcome and we're here to help
[06:47] <Dr_Melectaus> I need to learn how to use linux alot
[06:47] <Seq> nalioth: i do asp.net stuff at work, so im stuck using visual studio and crap. its horrible, horrible. but if they want to throw money at me for it, who am i to say no
[06:47] <disquiet> thanks nalioth
[06:47] <Dr_Melectaus> i really want to get rid of dows
[06:47] <geetergod> is that what im looking to see?
[06:47] <Dr_Melectaus> well, want to but cant
[06:47] <Touru> danko123456: I was taking abiout the later, haha. Kinda glad to know it's not true... lol
[06:47] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: I hear "linux in a nutshell" is an excellet book
[06:47] <nalioth> seq, yes horrible, but you get paid
[06:47] <disquiet> bob2: you're familiar with SAP?
[06:47] <Dr_Melectaus> unless photoshop decide to do a release for nix
[06:47] <ajmitch> afternoon
[06:47] <nalioth> night night y'all
[06:47] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2 ill look into it :) cheers man
[06:47] <bob2> disquiet: only through friends who have to use it at work
[06:47] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: np
[06:47] <disquiet> bob2: suicidal friends, I assume.
[06:47] <Touru> Dr_Melectaus: You should just go for it. If you aren't a professional, the GIMP can substitute for PhotoShop perfectly well.
[06:48] <bob2> disquiet: haha
[06:48] <Touru> (If you don't believe me, try Windows GIMP)
[06:48] <bob2> disquiet: I think they prefer the term "on the edge" ;)
[06:48] <disquiet> bob2: that term perfectly describes my life these days. It's my first adult job and I got one week of loose training.
[06:48] <Dr_Melectaus> see if i boot with the live dvd can i connect to the net relatively easily? like with my modem i can dial in my simply doing user@isp.com then password
[06:48] <nern> yeah i made the mistake of trying to use breezy already
[06:48] <Dr_Melectaus> cheers danko123456 ;O
[06:48] <disquiet> I am the only person in my office who understands SAP even a little, and I've been there the shortest.
[06:49] <danko123456> what is that SAP thing...?? I wonder...Ill google if I want to know enough...
[06:49] <ajmitch> nern: that could be unfortunate :)
[06:49] <Jormundgand> nern: Join the "we wanted to use Breezy no matter what some stupid channel topic said" club :)
[06:49] <disquiet> danko: you don't want to know
[06:49] <nern> hahaha
[06:49] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: yeah, run "sudo pppconfig" in a terminal to configure it, then "pon" to connect
[06:49] <Touru> What exactly is breezy?
[06:49] <Seq> disquiet: what is this SAP?
[06:49] <disquiet> I work for a tech reseller and I process all of the sales orders, and SAP enters and tracks orders in the least user friendly way possible
[06:49] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2, cheers ;)
[06:49] <ajmitch> Touru: the next release, currently under heavy development
[06:49] <Seq> I had some rough experiences with a package called "Remedy" back in my tech support days.
[06:50] <disquiet> there's 100+ menus... all with the same options.
[06:50] <Touru> Ooooh, I see.
[06:50] <danko123456> Seq: with Convergys/Comcast right?? :)
[06:50] <Touru> Figured it was something sortof like thatl.
[06:50] <disquiet> And it's ugly.
[06:50] <lucho> alguien q hable espaol
[06:50] <Seq> danko123456: roadrunner
[06:50] <danko123456>  #ubuntu-es
[06:50] <IcemanV9> lucho: try #ubuntu-es
[06:50] <lucho> ok
[06:50] <lucho> thanks
[06:50] <danko123456> kk
[06:50] <danko123456> welcomeL:)
[06:51] <disquiet> where did... the whole day go? How long have I been sitting here?
[06:51] <IcemanV9> danko123456: *shrug* u beat me by a few seconds :P
[06:51] <nern> thats what im saying~!
[06:51] <Seq> danko123456: did you do comcast support?
[06:51] <nern> ive been sitting here at my computer since i got off work
[06:51] <danko123456> I do it now:)
[06:52] <nern> early this afternoon
[06:52] <Seq> danko123456: fun stuff.
[06:52] <Seq> danko123456: mind if i send you a PM?
[06:52] <danko123456> dont talk about it here more, tho, they are sensitive about proprietary, and I am paranoid:)
[06:52] <danko123456> no,. go right ahead.
[06:52] <disquiet> I have tomorrow off, I'm worried that knowing that, I'll just sit here all night until I figure this all out
[06:52] <Jormundgand> So what about that <proprietary software>, eh?
[06:53] <Seq> Jormundgand: go ahead. the first one's "free" ;)
[06:53] <Jormundgand> I thought that the <feature> they added in version <newest> was good, but they could have done without <kludge>.
[06:53] <Jormundgand> And when are they going to remove <tired legacy module>?
[06:53] <disquiet> haha y'all are funny
[06:54] <Jormundgand> For that matter, does anyone actually USE <function>, or is it just there for decoration?
[06:54] <Dr_Melectaus> DVD is 94% burnt
[06:54] <Dr_Melectaus> whe hey
[06:54] <nern> WUH OH
[06:54] <Dr_Melectaus> cant wait to have a bash on ubuntu
[06:54] <Dr_Melectaus> can you download new themes off the net?
[06:54] <Seq> Jormundgand: i thought <feature> would be useful if it didn't break <everything>
[06:54] <nern> Dr_Melectaus: get ready to have yer mind blown
[06:54] <quailster> a bash? I prefer a zsh ;)
[06:54] <Jormundgand> Seq: Indeed, <workaround> is a pain to get working, but it saves so much time in the end.
[06:54] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: bash themes? yeah.
[06:55] <disquiet> ok, i have another real question
[06:55] <nern> shoot
[06:55] <Dr_Melectaus> cheers bob2, any reccomendations on good sites to get themes from?
[06:55] <disquiet> A friend told me I need to get valknut, said do sudo apt-get valknut
[06:55] <lucho> alguien me ayuda
[06:55] <disquiet> which... seeems logical...
[06:55] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: hm, I don't know
[06:55] <geetergod> can someone walk me through how to download and install a plugin for flashplayer?
[06:55] <bob2> I use zsh.
[06:56] <nern> disquiet apt-get INSTALL
[06:56] <disquiet> no joke?
[06:56] <geetergod> im at a site where it should play a video but says i need to download plugin
[06:56] <nern> geetergod open up synaptic and search for flash
[06:56] <disquiet> Reading package lists... Done
[06:56] <disquiet> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:56] <disquiet> E: Couldn't find package valknut
[06:57] <disquiet> what in the world does that mean?
[06:57] <Dr_Melectaus> kk, im going to reboot and see if i can get this to work. If its Doc proof you guys have made a truely idiot freindly OS
[06:57] <thr1ce> someone needs to make a human fluxbox theme
[06:57] <Seq> Dr_Melectaus: art.gnome.org , gnomelook.org
[06:57] <nern> disquiet: what is that package supposed to be for again?
[06:57] <geetergod> says i need to run it as a rootuser
[06:57] <bob2> disquiet: exactly what it says, the package valknut could not be found
[06:57] <disquiet> it's DC++... direct connect
[06:57] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks seq
[06:57] <disquiet> bob2, please, let's assume I'm an idiot here
[06:57] <Dr_Melectaus> tah rah
[06:57] <geetergod> where do i go to run it as the root user?
[06:57] <danko123456> geetergod: please tell me the site.
[06:57] <ajmitch> disquiet: valknut appears to be in universe, so you need to have that repository enabled
[06:58] <disquiet> I'm going to throw up.
[06:58] <nern> geetergod: open a terminal and type sudo synaptic
[06:58] <geetergod> http://www.planetvids.com/html/Top-Speed-Challenge.html
[06:58] <geetergod> thats the site
[06:58] <danko123456> thanks.
[06:58] <Marble2> how can I get JRE running with firefox?
[06:58] <danko123456> geetergod: flash wont work for that.
[06:58] <Marble2> when I go to this one page, it says I need to install JRE, but it's already installed (apt-get)
[06:58] <bob2> disquiet: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto explains how to enable the universe repository
[06:58] <geetergod> oh
[06:58] <danko123456> geetergod: you may try mplayer-firefox I think that is the package.
[06:58] <disquiet> Thank you, bob2
[06:59] <danko123456> bob2: I think he has all the repos...
[06:59] <disquiet> brb, I'm going to go take off all my make up and get into serious nerd gear, maybe it will help.
[06:59] <danko123456> disquiet: did you make your sources.list as I linked you??
[06:59] <danko123456> Marble2: please link me to the site.
[06:59] <disquiet> it scrolled away from me, danko :-/
[06:59] <Jormundgand> I am surprised that I don't find it weird to be wearing a duvet.
[06:59] <geetergod> i found flashplayer-mozilla in synaptic
[06:59] <bob2> disquiet: (repository = a big group of packages you can tell apt-get about)
[07:00] <Marble2> danko123456: pokerroom.com
[07:00] <danko123456> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:00] <Marble2> you have to have an account
[07:00] <danko123456>  www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list
[07:00] <geetergod> yet flashplayer still wont work, hm
[07:00] <Marble2> but it just says additional plugins required
[07:00] <danko123456> disclaimer: that etlls you nothing about what you are doing, so reading bobs link may be a good reading.
[07:01] <danko123456> geetergod: that site does not want flash, as I had mentioned.
[07:01] <disquiet> I can't keep up with you, danko
[07:01] <disquiet> I opened that dealie
[07:01] <geetergod> yes i know, but when i go to doom3.com and try to enter flashsite it wont pull up the whole page
[07:01] <nern> danko: does he need to uncomment the marillat repo?
[07:01] <danko123456> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:01] <disquiet> I did that
[07:02] <danko123456> www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list paste that page over it.
[07:02] <danko123456> nern: who?
[07:02] <danko123456> geetergod: http://www.planetvids.com/html/Top-Speed-Challenge.html does not want flash...
[07:02] <danko123456> link me to the other site.
[07:02] <nern> danko: the guy yer helping, i just noticed that the marillat repo is commented in that sources.list
[07:02] <danko123456> Marble2: my java does work, I am not sure how to see if taht is what the site wants...
[07:02] <Jormundgand> Hmm. Why does my scrollbutton die randomly in Firefox?
[07:02] <geetergod> yes i know, what can i do to view the vids though?
[07:02] <danko123456> nern: that will be fine.
[07:03] <nern> danko: k
[07:03] <danko123456> just a sec.
[07:03] <Burgundavia> Jormundgand, I have seen that as well. I have no idea, and have not filed a bug becuase I have no idea what is causing it
[07:03] <danko123456> http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre for Marble2...or, a slightly harder, but more teaching way is www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/java
[07:04] <danko123456> geetergod: 1\this is the plugin it wants, altho I dont know if it works in the end, supposedly it does: http://ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[07:05] <danko123456> disquiet: save as my file?
[07:05] <danko123456> save and close...
[07:05] <geetergod> k kool
[07:05] <disquiet> danko, I am sorry
[07:05] <disquiet> I am much too dense for you to help me
[07:05] <danko123456> sorry dont cut it.
[07:05] <danko123456> nope you are now.
[07:05] <danko123456> not
[07:05] <danko123456> I work tech syupport for an ISP...
[07:05] <danko123456> ok, does sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list open a file?
[07:05] <disquiet> yes
[07:06] <nern> hes giving you a pretty good step by step
[07:06] <danko123456> great, please click on this: www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list and copy and paste that over that file
[07:06] <disquiet> I know he is, which is why I feel quite retarded. I do appreciate it danko :-)
[07:06] <danko123456> copy and paste what is in www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list over the file taht opens with sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list ,
[07:06] <disquiet> over eveyrthing?
[07:06] <danko123456> then, I am sorry if I make you feel retarded:) not my intention...
[07:07] <nern> yes over everything
[07:07] <danko123456> then after you have what is in that page as your file...please save it and close gedit.
[07:08] <disquiet> Ok, that's not so hard
[07:08] <danko123456> after that...
[07:08] <danko123456> when teh file is saved and closed.
[07:08] <danko123456> you need to reload yoru sources.
[07:08] <geetergod> danko: can i tell you what its saying in a private window?
[07:09] <danko123456> please everyone, dont ask me if you can pm me anymoer, you are welcome to...
[07:09] <paringas> sorry, guys, do you know if it possible to make konqueror function in Midnight Commander" mode (split screen)? maybe in a form of extension? thanks
[07:09] <danko123456> that file, btw is what the debian/ubuntu installer program uses as the sources from where it downloads...
[07:09] <crimmy> paringas: yep, just change the View
[07:09] <disquiet> reload sources?
[07:09] <deFrysk> paringas, yes
[07:10] <danko123456> yes, you do that by using the program for downlaods.
[07:10] <danko123456> apt-get update
[07:10] <danko123456> but you need to use sudo in front.
[07:10] <danko123456> so sudo apt-get update
[07:10] <deFrysk> paringas, if you like 2pane in kde get krusader
[07:10] <danko123456> do that now, please.
[07:11] <disquiet> no sweat (I'm totally going to bake you cupcakes)
[07:12] <danko123456> I have been offered bajkings b4 on this channel:)
[07:12] <disquiet> Well, fine. I'll get you a damn pony then.
[07:12] <disquiet> Everyone wants a pony. I, personally, always wanted a big wheel.
[07:13] <danko123456> no, Im fine with bakings, I jsut noted that I have had someone say something like that b4, I think it is cute in some sense...
[07:14] <disquiet> Well, damn, danko, I am cute. Ok, my source thing is done.
[07:14] <Seq> i think a giant hamster ball would be cool.
[07:14] <danko123456> are you the girl now, disquiet?
[07:14] <danko123456> or still her friend?
[07:14] <disquiet> Seq - I have a great big one, for my guinea pig
[07:14] <disquiet> danko - am I THE girl? i'm A girl...
[07:14] <danko123456> you are:)
[07:14] <danko123456> sweet:0
[07:14] <Seq> disquiet: its not quite human-sized though, is it?
[07:14] <nern> oh god
[07:14] <nern> ha
[07:14] <disquiet> Seq - well, for a very small human, maybe.
[07:14] <danko123456> anyhow:)... updated?
[07:14] <Madpilot> I've often thought that kid-sized hamster balls would be a great idea...
[07:14] <paringas> defrysk: crimmy: thanks guys. the reason i was asking was that i want to make konqueror do all of that opera can plus the file manager :)
[07:15] <disquiet> Yes, danko
[07:15] <danko123456> ok, well, what are you trying to install?
[07:15] <tyrean> excuse me, does anybody know if its possible to use scim to directly input into firefox?
[07:15] <bob2> Madpilot: stick a generator on them and convert youthful exuberance to electricity!
[07:15] <disquiet> valknut, opera - two things that I need to have first. Other things later.
[07:16] <Seq> actually, harnessing static electricity from enfants as they crawl over carpet would be pretty cool
[07:16] <danko123456> you guys are all nuts.
[07:16] <holycow> can anyone explain to me why linux doesn't write to a floppy automatically when you paste something into it, instead it writes on umount?
[07:16] <Jormundgand> Burgundavia: Bug report has already been made - https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1962
[07:16] <disquiet> Seq - my guinea pig has a harness, too. And he's trained to ring a bell when he needs something.
[07:16] <Madpilot> bob2: I've got a pair of younger cousins who'd be able to power half a town... :)
[07:16] <hyphenated> holycow: it writes on sync. it syncs on unmount, but you can force a sync manually
[07:16] <Seq> holycow: write buffering. it actually writes on sync, and does a sync on umount
[07:16] <danko123456> disquiet: sorry, there is no such program in the repos...I think you need to switch to linux apps now...
[07:16] <danko123456> a dc++ client?
[07:17] <disquiet> Yes, danko
[07:17] <bob2> holycow: of you mount it with the "sync" option, it will write synchronously, ie as you write
[07:17] <holycow> ah, so it would be possible then to get nautilus to sync after mouse up on a drag/drop or paste event?
[07:17] <danko123456> sudo apt-get install dcgui
[07:17] <holycow> bob2, oh!
[07:17] <nern> direct connect or gtk gnutella
[07:17] <holycow> thanks for the info, i had no clue about that
[07:18] <bob2> holycow: assuming it works on vfat, but I'm pretty sure it does in modern kernels
[07:18] <danko123456> why: http://pastebin.ca/12938 ??
[07:18] <hyphenated> I didn't know about the sync option :-)
[07:18] <hardcampa-> Unfortunally dcgui-qt is probably the best (non banned) dc++ client for linux. But oh my gawd how the GUI sux
[07:18] <Seq> actually, any mac hardware guys here? what interface does a mac floppy drive use?
[07:18] <danko123456> sudo apt-get install gtk-gnutella if you want a kazaa type thing.
[07:18] <bob2> hyphenated: it's new (for FAT, at least).
[07:18] <bob2> Seq: what generation of mac?
[07:18] <danko123456> bob2: any ideas http://pastebin.ca/12938 ?
[07:19] <danko123456> sorry about the double post...
[07:19] <disquiet> Danko, I love you
[07:19] <danko123456> bah
[07:19] <danko123456> k, thanks.
[07:19] <danko123456> disquiet: use your synaptic, tho...
[07:19] <nern> always
[07:19] <nern> yeah
[07:19] <danko123456> disquiet: System>Admin>Synaptic
[07:19] <disquiet> danko, to me, what you just said sounds like me saying this to you
[07:19] <Seq> bob2: any going back as far as i can remember. I'm curious if an mac diskette drive could be used in a standard x86 pc
[07:19] <disquiet> danko: use your uterus, tho....
[07:20] <bob2> danko123456: I'd guess corrupted .debs in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[07:20] <holycow> bob2, can usb sticks be mounted with sync option as well?
[07:20] <danko123456> sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb?
[07:20] <Seq> bob2: my curiosity is due to the swanky eject feature, which is what makes them cool to begin with
[07:20] <bob2> holycow: yes, but that will hammer the hell out of them
[07:20] <danko123456> thank you, btw.
[07:20] <holycow> bob2, oh okay makes sense, flash *nod*
[07:20] <holycow> thanks
[07:20] <bob2> holycow: someone posted on lkml a week ago saying their stick lasted like a week with sync on
[07:20] <danko123456> disquiet: I see, you want to use your uterus...hm...
[07:20] <danko123456> :)
[07:20] <danko123456> ok, disregard that,...
[07:20] <disquiet> haha
[07:21] <bob2> danko123456: or gstreamer*deb
[07:21] <holycow> bob2, no kidding?
[07:21] <nern> disquiet prolly just needs to read some kind of little guide as to how the debian package management system works
[07:21] <holycow> ha!
[07:21] <disquiet> No, thank you. I'm young yet. The uterus is unncessary for a good 3 -5 more years
[07:21] <nern> then she would understand
[07:21] <dr_willis> Seq,  i dont think it will work. The mac and amiga  if i recall used a diffrent kind of floppy drive. I forget the details.. it was somthing to do with how the speeds of the drive were .. I think
[07:21] <dr_willis> the pc used one kind. mac/amiga used another - this was AGES ago howeer.
[07:21] <disquiet> nern - i need to read anything that will speak to me in english
[07:21] <danko123456> You ahve a System menu on the top on your screen then in it there is an Admin submenu, and in it Synaptic, go there...
[07:21] <bob2> Seq: hm, old ones I don't know
[07:21] <Davey|Ubuntu> is there any gaim updates available? Ubuntu ships with 1.14 and 1.30 is the latest with several security fixes...
[07:21] <thechitowncubs> Davey: backports
[07:21] <dr_willis> but then again, I recall  that mac drives could read pc floppies...
[07:21] <bob2> Davey|Ubuntu: that's now how ubnutu works
[07:22] <dr_willis> but that was the later ones.
[07:22] <danko123456> bob2: that is half assed:) what then, sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/gstreamer*deb
[07:22] <Seq> dr_willis: well I figured they wouldn't work on regular pc floppy connectors, but i wasn't sure if they were "ide" devices like cdroms and the like (i seem to recall most floppy-like drives being ide)
[07:22] <bob2> Davey|Ubuntu: When an ubuntu release is made, it stays the same until the next one comes out.  if security fixes are needed, the fix (and just the fix) is applied to the version in ubuntu.
[07:22] <nern> Davey|Ubuntu: there are some backports repos that i use that have gaim 1.3.0 and firefox 1.0.4
[07:22] <danko123456> disquiet: that is your synaptic, you can use that to install anything, please open it now.
[07:22] <bob2> Davey|Ubuntu: ie 1.14 in ubuntu has all the security fixes from 1.3.0
[07:22] <disquiet> got it open, danko
[07:22] <bob2> danko123456: yeah
[07:22] <dr_willis> Seq,  they are not ide. but i do think they were normal floppy conectors.
[07:23] <disquiet> I'm totally falling in e-love with danko
[07:23] <Davey|Ubuntu> bob2: bleh :/
[07:23] <dr_willis> Seq,  that LS120 floppy drive was  an IDE floppy
[07:23] <nern> UH OH shes falling for you
[07:23] <nern> NOOOOO
[07:23] <Davey|Ubuntu> nern: oh?
[07:23] <thr1ce> kopete on gnome?
[07:23] <thr1ce> lol
[07:23] <Seq> dr_willis: yeah, i was thinking of that, as well as the zip, and such
[07:23] <danko123456> great, ok, well, if you hit on the search button, and select to search for name&description, you can type in anything that makes sense, like organizer, and it will find an organizeer program for you...and so on..
[07:23] <nern> yeah that would be crappy AND kopete is just so fugly
[07:23] <holycow> well i'll be damned, adding sync to your floppy line in fstab actually does mount it with sync
[07:23] <Seq> and the 32MB one (on regular diskettes)
[07:23] <disquiet> excellent! Thanks, danko, for serious.
[07:23] <thechitowncubs> kopete is not my cup of tea
[07:24] <bob2> holycow: it writes things immediately?
[07:24] <Seq> dr_willis: hmm. its mostly just idle curiosity, since i don't actually own a single floppy drive, nor do i want one :p
[07:24] <holycow> nifty, thanks again guys!
[07:24] <holycow> bob2, yupper!
[07:24] <nern> yeah i threw up in my mouth when i saw it for the first time
[07:24] <thechitowncubs> lol
[07:24] <Seq> dr_willis: but it would solve a lot of "bah! ejected without umounting" issues if i ever needed one
[07:24] <danko123456> I doubt you are really a girl, tho...:) usuallly ppl pull legs like that...
[07:24] <bob2> holycow: woo, guess it's been implemented then ;)
[07:24] <thechitowncubs> i might have had the taste
[07:24] <danko123456> sned me a pic...
[07:24] <holycow> bob2, didn't even haveto umount it, files are all there
[07:24] <holycow> bob2, *whew* :)
[07:24] <nern> lets not get too excited dando
[07:24] <nern> *danko
[07:24] <nern> haha
[07:24] <danko123456> bob2: shoudl i just go with the *.deb, cause...it seems to happen with other packages as well...
[07:25] <danko123456> nern: ......read the post b4 that:)
[07:25] <bob2> holycow: the kernel will get very unhappy if you do that while it's writing
[07:25] <Jormundgand> I like Kopete's theme-ability, but it's significantly buggier than Gaim.
[07:25] <bob2> holycow: it really is better to umount it whenever possible
[07:25] <nern> i did~!
[07:25] <nern> haha
[07:25] <holycow> bob2, heh really? that sounds like an interesting question
[07:25] <nern> just clownin doh
[07:25] <bob2> danko123456: ok
[07:25] <holycow> bob2, *nod* i'm thinking this will become a common user issue
[07:25] <nern> sorry
[07:25] <nern> haha
[07:25] <disquiet> danko
[07:25] <disquiet> I will send you a picture
[07:25] <Seq> danko123456: yeah, i've learned a lesson today. if i ever want help in a busy irc channel, just identify oneself as a girl
[07:25] <thechitowncubs> nern: im confused
[07:26] <disquiet> I'm used to defending my female hood.
[07:26] <silverton> is gkrellm available on ubuntu ?
[07:26] <Jormundgand> If I could customise Gaim's message output I'd be happy.
[07:26] <nern> thechitotowncubs: how so?
[07:26] <thechitowncubs> at this conversation
[07:26] <thechitowncubs> nvm
[07:26] <thechitowncubs> i guess i was thinking out loud
[07:26] <danko123456> disquiet: which just gives me more reason to think you are joking, I could send you someone elses pic...:)
[07:26] <danko123456> disquiet: but, I believe you, lets say:)
[07:26] <Seq> Jormundgand: what can you theme in kopete? Isn't it just a qt chat client?
[07:26] <bob2> come on folks, no one needs to "prove" their gender
[07:27] <bob2> holycow: well, floppy drives are going out of vogue pretty quickly
[07:27] <bob2> holycow: at least IMe
[07:27] <danko123456> bob2: I agree, I apologize, disquiet, its all good:)
[07:27] <thr1ce> kopete is kde
[07:27] <nern> what happened to honesty
[07:27] <thr1ce> it wouldn't be worth it
[07:27] <Jormundgand> Seq: I mean like setting its output so conversations look like they do in iChat which is neat.
[07:27] <thr1ce> you can't do AIM file transfers, either
[07:27] <nern> haha
[07:27] <thechitowncubs> oh
[07:27] <thechitowncubs> like Miranda>
[07:27] <thechitowncubs> ?
[07:27] <disquiet> Haha, danko, ok
[07:27] <thr1ce> pretty much
[07:27] <thechitowncubs> ya, aim transfers are hell
[07:27] <danko123456> :(
[07:27] <danko123456> anyhow...
[07:27] <thechitowncubs> does kopete do aim transfers>
[07:27] <thechitowncubs> ?
[07:28] <disquiet> I do have more than one, though. Differnet angles over several years. So had I sent them, I would have been able to back it up.
[07:28] <nern> gaim does aim transfers for me
[07:28] <thr1ce> kopete won't
[07:28] <thechitowncubs> I think you have to configure your firewall
[07:28] <thr1ce> kopete will do MSN (though poorly)
[07:28] <thechitowncubs> What audio player do you guys use?
[07:28] <Seq> thr1ce: yeah, gaim does msn pretty poorly too
[07:28] <nern> i just use totem for everything
[07:28] <thechitowncubs> I'm struggling to find a GTK2 app that can handle my 7,000 song library
[07:29] <silverton> Hello, is gkrellm available on ubuntu ?
[07:29] <Seq> thechitowncubs: rhythmbox and muine, depending which icon i find first
[07:29] <thr1ce> xmms?
[07:29] <thechitowncubs> besides xmms and bmp, i need a library
[07:29] <hardcampa-> thechitowncubs: bmp and xmms... they're the most comfortable one
[07:29] <Touru> Rythmbox.
[07:29] <thechitowncubs> lol
[07:29] <hardcampa-> heh
[07:29] <deFrysk> Seq, beep-media-player
[07:29] <nern> ive heard good things about muine
[07:29] <hardcampa-> Anything that looks like itunes I stay away from
[07:29] <Seq> thechitowncubs: i've only got 1409 songs though
[07:29] <thechitowncubs> I want to use rhythmbox real bad, cause it fits so nicely, but it just won't flippin add my songs.
[07:29] <Seq> thechitowncubs: but it took forever to rip all that
[07:30] <nern> rip my asshole
[07:30] <thechitowncubs> Another question, what app is capable of WMA-MP3 conversion?
[07:30] <Touru> Oooh, good question. I need to know that, too. =D
[07:30] <bob2> thechitowncubs: I wouldn't bother
[07:30] <bob2> but mencoder could
[07:30] <Touru> What do you mean it won't add your songs?
[07:30] <thechitowncubs> I mean it won't add my songs.
[07:30] <thechitowncubs> You know when you hit add folder, it won't do that.
[07:30] <danko123456> bob2: still same error...
[07:30] <nern> i think what he means is what does it do when you try
[07:30] <thechitowncubs> I can't get any more specific.
[07:31] <Touru> Do you get an error or something?
[07:31] <nern> or does it just not do anything
[07:31] <thechitowncubs> Nope, it sits on Loading Songs...... ..... ...
[07:31] <Touru> nern: Since we've covered the gender topic tonight already, it's she. =P Assuming is no fun.
[07:31] <bob2> nern: I have ~5000 tracks ripped from my own cds
[07:31] <Touru> thechitowncubs: I have a big music collection too, you just have to wait for it.
[07:31] <danko123456> bob2: if you know which error I am talking about:)
[07:32] <thechitowncubs> It seems to be adding em, then after about 4 yrs a message will come up saying that a song didn't add... then it crashes... or it just keeps saying loading songs...
[07:32] <nern> Touru: haha okay :)
[07:32] <thechitowncubs> It does something different pretty much everytime.
[07:32] <Touru> Mine usually errors on one or two songs, I pretty much ignore that. Never have had it crash, though.
[07:32] <bob2> danko123456: I'd guess a broken hook or something then
[07:32] <bob2> danko123456: or silly pinning
[07:32] <thechitowncubs> I'm using amaroK, its pretty amazing, but it doesn't fit
[07:32] <Touru> It usually takes quite a while... lemme time it.
[07:32] <Seq> thechitowncubs: http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=452
[07:33] <thechitowncubs> Seq: i was checking that out
[07:33] <nern> i just try to stay away from qt apps when possible
[07:33] <thechitowncubs> it looks like a Rhythmbox clone
[07:33] <bob2> danko123456: what does dpkg do when you install them by hand?
[07:33] <Seq> thechitowncubs: yeah, pretty much :p
[07:33] <danko123456> like how? its not on my comp:) as usual...
[07:33] <Seq> thechitowncubs: sonace looks good too, though
[07:33] <thechitowncubs> Ya...
[07:33] <thechitowncubs> lol
[07:34] <thechitowncubs> you are thinking exactly what i am
[07:34] <thechitowncubs> sonance is coming out w/ a new version soon... i'll wait
[07:34] <Seq> nern: yeah, i ripped them all. i own lots of cds
[07:34] <Seq> nern: which is why i had to buy an iriver.. no way i was re-ripping or transcoding them :p
[07:35] <thechitowncubs> K, im attempting to add my files into rhythmbox
[07:35] <thechitowncubs> starting now
[07:35] <thechitowncubs> lets time it
[07:35] <thechitowncubs> 12:35AM CDT
[07:35] <nern> Seq: nice.... i could never get myself down to the task of actually ripping my cds
[07:35] <Seq> thechitowncubs: might also try a for loop, and mpg123 ;)
[07:35] <Seq> nern: other than my computer, I no longer have a cd player
[07:36] <nern> Seq: yeah my dvd player has turned into my cd player... i just love that surround sound
[07:36] <thechitowncubs> Seq: do you use SCSI emulation when you rip?
[07:36] <Jormundgand> danko123456: http://developer.imendio.com/images/4/49/Jam-screenshot1.png
[07:36] <thechitowncubs> because i don't and it goes super slow when im rippin my cds
[07:36] <Seq> thechitowncubs: nope. since switching to ubuntu, i've noticed that ripping speed is horrible though
[07:36] <thechitowncubs> ya
[07:36] <nern> yeah my burning speed is pretty pathetic
[07:36] <thechitowncubs> you might want to look into that
[07:37] <Jormundgand> My burning speed is zero because ide-cd is b0rken.
[07:37] <Seq> thechitowncubs: i have. i dunno why, there doesn't seem to be anything particularly wrong :/
[07:37] <thechitowncubs> hrmmm
[07:37] <cthulfuego> Now you burn much faster!
[07:37] <Seq> and when I burn cds or dvds, if i select "max" speed, i get a coaster every time. I need to select 50% of whatever the front of my drive says it can do
[07:38] <cthulfuego> Seq: Mebbe the disk just can't keep up.
[07:38] <danko123456> bob2: it was weird sources.
[07:38] <thechitowncubs> maybe you guys can answer this question, while on the topic of cds... My dad's comp recenlty aqquired ubuntu and nautilus cd burning doesn't work, but Gnome-Baker does... what the hell is wrong :/?
[07:38] <nern> i just K3b
[07:39] <danko123456> Jormundgand: nice, so? :)
[07:39] <thechitowncubs> Seq: what drive?
[07:39] <Seq> cthulfuego: well I thought that, but I doubt it. I know it technically can, since "it can in windows", and the drive has buffer underrun protection which should help at least somewhat
[07:39] <Seq> thechitowncubs: hold on, other machine
[07:40] <cthulfuego> Seq: Odd. I have no issues with mine here (and I run six in the one machine)
[07:40] <nern> man you guys are making me want to splurge and buy myself a new processor so i can have multiple machine :(
[07:40] <deviant> is there any way to control fan speed by software in linux ?
[07:41] <cthulfuego> nern: eh?
[07:41] <cthulfuego> deviant: Buy an amd64, they do it all by themselves.
[07:41] <thechitowncubs> deviant: are your fans controlled by the mobo
[07:41] <thechitowncubs> or are you talking about your CPU fan
[07:41] <Seq> cthulfuego: well actually, i lied. i have to burn dvds at 2x, the discs are only 4x (i get coasters at 4x). The drive is capable of 16x apparently...
[07:41] <nern> cthulfuego: yes... i want to get rid of this celeron in my machine anyway, and put it in a second machine
[07:41] <bob2> cthulfuego: you wouldn't happen to know of any PCI-E 1x cards, would you?
[07:41] <Seq> cthulfuego: and i've tried different kinds of discs at 4x (4x discs seem to be the best price right now)
[07:42] <cthulfuego> bob2: maybe scorptec know
[07:42] <Seq> thechitowncubs: NEC 3520A
[07:42] <nern> anybody overclocking their cpu?
[07:42] <deviant> thechitowncubs: in windows i could control them by using speedfan
[07:42] <cthulfuego> bob2: have you been out shopping?
[07:43] <bob2> cthulfuego: yeah, everything is 16x here...emailed scorptech this morning.
[07:43] <cthulfuego> bob2: hah
[07:46] <cthulfuego> bob2: I'm not sure I quite understand the mobos google tells me about. They all claim PCI-E16X and PCI-E1X
[07:46] <deviant> ermmm
[07:46] <cthulfuego> bob2: Not sure how many also confuse PCI-X on top of that
[07:46] <cthulfuego> bob2: What mobo you got?
[07:46] <bob2> cthulfuego: yeah, it seems to be a very "special" ibm one
[07:47] <bob2> cthulfuego: it had a little plastic sleeve on the pci-e slot, which looked like a dust cover or something...but turns out to be there to stop you plugging in > 1x pci-e cards
[07:47] <lcore> After changing /etc/aliases entries is it necessary to restart any services?
[07:47] <bob2> lcore: sudo newaliases
[07:47] <lcore> bob2, thanx
[07:47] <bob2> that handles whatever your MTA needs to have happen
[07:48] <revelater> hello, for some reason, whne i go into other resolutions with my screen, i have to scroll to see the whole thing, why is that?
[07:48] <bob2> because you're not chaning resolution
[07:48] <bob2> you're changing the size of your desktop
[07:48] <cthulfuego> bob2: for a linux box?
[07:48] <bob2> if it's bigger than the actual resolution of the screen, X makes you scroll around it
[07:48] <bob2> cthulfuego: yeah
[07:49] <nern> you need to edit your xorg.conf file
[07:49] <cthulfuego> bob2: so basically an nvidia card
[07:49] <revelater> ok, so how to i make it the way it shoulod be?
[07:49] <Touru> thechitowncubs: Okay, my music folder takes about 10-12 minutes to completely load in Rhythmbox.
[07:49] <Touru> 3509 songs.
[07:49] <bob2> cthulfuego: this was a radeon, but ibm has a technote saying no > 1x cards will work.
[07:49] <EircB> btw yahoo music engine in vmware in ubuntu works awesome
[07:49] <revelater> ?
[07:49] <Seq> revelater: resize using xrandr in console, or the "screen resolution" option in system->preferences
[07:50] <bob2> cthulfuego: the onboard i915 is kinda ass with X (Xvideo is broken)
[07:50] <revelater> Seq: ummm, i am not using gnome
[07:50] <cthulfuego> bob2: 's just that all pci-e radeons would require fglrx, which is poo
[07:50] <bob2> cthulfuego: ahh
[07:50] <Seq> revelater: whatcha using?
[07:50] <revelater> fluxbox
[07:50] <Crono5788> Heya, could someone tell me how to switch my display driver to vesa?
[07:50] <bob2> cthulfuego: well, I'd worry about that if it got past POST with it plugged in ;)
[07:50] <bob2> Crono5788: why do you want to do that?
[07:50] <Crono5788> This is my first Linux experience and I have no idea what the hell is going on
[07:50] <Seq> revelater: alrighty, open a console and use xrandr
[07:50] <Crono5788> X server can't start on my X700
[07:51] <nern> id just edit my xorg.conf file
[07:51] <Crono5788> And the hardware wiki said to do that
[07:51] <Crono5788> Okay
[07:51] <revelater> andrew@AndrewLX:~ $ xrandr
[07:51] <revelater> Xlib:  extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:51] <revelater> andrew@AndrewLX:~ $
[07:51] <Crono5788> How do you edit the xorg.xonf file, though?
[07:51] <bob2> Crono5788: a radeon?
[07:51] <Crono5788> That's where I hit the snag
[07:51] <Crono5788> Yeah
[07:51] <Crono5788> Sapphire
[07:51] <revelater> nern: what should i ecit
[07:51] <revelater> ?
[07:51] <Seq> well i guess you'll have to do like nern and edit your config to either specify your desired resolution, or enable randr extension
[07:51] <Jormundgand> Hmm. Why does Bluecurve not quite work when I install it?
[07:52] <Seq> revelater: ^^ that was for you
[07:52] <revelater> i saw that
[07:52] <revelater> thank you
[07:52] <revelater> nern: what do i need to edit?
[07:52] <Crono5788> So how do I edit xorg.conf?
[07:52] <nern> its easy just open a terminal and type sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:52] <Crono5788> Ty
[07:52] <nern> then scroll down towards the bottom
[07:53] <revelater> ?
[07:54] <jb_on_irc> Does anyone know the status of that HP version of Ubuntu?  The one they promised to make for their laptops?
[07:54] <nern> near the bottom you should find the section where your default color depth is specified and then after that what resolutions are supported by each of the color depths. just edit the resolution for your default color depth(most likely 24) to your desired resolution. save and then restart x.
[07:55] <revelater> nern: so i have to do that everytime i need to change my res?
[07:55] <bob2> jb_on_irc: you can buy it
[07:55] <bob2> jb_on_irc: but stock ubuntu should work fine anyway
[07:55] <nern> revelator: well, do you frequently change your res?
[07:55] <revelater> if i needed to for a program then yes
[07:56] <jb_on_irc> bob2: I was looking forward to the HP version, because the fact that they DO do some sepcific work to make it work better with their laptops indicates that something did not work right off the bat.  Where can you buy it from?
[07:56] <bob2> jb_on_irc: I'm pretty sure hoary works just as well as hp's version.
[07:56] <nern> well if you just add the resolution that you would like next to the other ones then you should be able to change resolutions through the gpanel applet
[07:56] <danko123456> nice thinkingL
[07:56] <danko123456> :)
[07:56] <nern> which you will prolly have to add to the panel
[07:56] <bob2> jb_on_irc: you can buy laptops with it pre-installed in some parts of europe
[07:56] <revelater> nern: ok cool, thanks
[07:57] <nern> revelator: i try
[07:57] <nern> revelator: :)
[07:57] <bob2> jb_on_irc: presumably their website lists where
[07:57] <jb_on_irc> bob2:  Well, I have my laptop already, and I am located on the other side of the world.  Something downloadable would be nice.  Does anyone know then what it is that they have added/modified in that HP build?  Besides adding Hp logos...
[07:57] <danko123456> bob2: like croatia:) I saw (my country originally) they totally sell computers with linux...
[07:58] <Touru> I don't have an _HP_ laptop, but I haven't had any trouble with Ubuntu on my laptop. (The scroll wheel doesn't work, but it's an uncommon feature anyway, and I haven't tried to fix it at all -- it'll probably be an easy fix)
[07:58] <Crono5788> I tried sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but it said it couldn't open the display
[07:58] <bob2> jb_on_irc: I'd be very very surprised if it worked better than hoary
[07:58] <bob2> danko123456: oh, awesome
[07:58] <bob2> jb_on_irc: I'm trying to find out what's different now
[07:58] <jb_on_irc> bob2:  Ok...
[07:59] <danko123456> yeah, like, totally you can buy from the biggest vendors I am not sure if ubuntu, Ill check it out now, and link you if so...
[07:59] <bob2> jb_on_irc: personally I'd just hoary it up now
[07:59] <nern> i have a mouse problem that i have never tried to fix too
[07:59] <nern> my wheel works fine
[07:59] <junior_> anyone had a problem where they boot without an ac adapter and then add it later but the cpu wont scale?
[08:00] <nern> but i have a mouse with the back and forward buttons, and those buttons do not work
[08:00] <Crono5788> I'm at a DOS-looking command prompt and I need to edit /etc/x11/xorg.conf, does anyone know how to, uh... Do that?
[08:00] <Crono5788> I feel retarded.
[08:00] <Crono5788> Just this morning I locked myself out of my computer via BIOS password
[08:00] <EircB> hahaha
[08:01] <Crono5788> Now I can't even edit files
[08:01] <Touru> I just assume the wheel doesn't work 'cause touchpads usually don't have them... maybe same deal with your mouse? (I don't think I've seen one like that before)
[08:01] <paringas> cant seem to find konquerors extension repository. could anyone point one out, plz?
[08:01] <jeremywhiting> hi all, anyone here know how to install ubuntu from a gnoppix cd? I'm new to ubuntu
[08:02] <jb_on_irc> bob2: Well, thanks for the information. I got to go, though...
[08:02] <thechitowncubs> Gaim for irc, wow
[08:02] <Crono5788> Someone please tell me how to edit a file?
[08:03] <danko123456> this one place sells computers, saying, like, with linux...but, no installation, hah...
[08:03] <EircB> Crono5788, sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:03] <Crono5788> That didn't work, though
[08:03] <EircB> what did it say?
[08:03] <Crono5788> It said Couldn't open display, IIRC
[08:03] <EircB> ok try
[08:03] <danko123456> sudo vi then
[08:03] <EircB> sudo pico /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:03] <thechitowncubs> nano
[08:03] <thechitowncubs> nano
[08:04] <EircB> danko123456,  he doesn't know how to edit a file there is no chance he can run vi :)
[08:04] <danko123456> right:)
[08:04] <Crono5788> x.x
[08:04] <Crono5788> Hey
[08:04] <Crono5788> I can use Notepad pretty good
[08:04] <EircB> heh
[08:04] <EircB> notepad is a text editor, vi is a program editor
[08:04] <Crono5788> Anyway, ty, brb
[08:04] <danko123456> I love the *beep* *beep* you get on older linuxex when you let a whole class of new eager programmers onto it...
[08:04] <Crono5788> Program editor?
[08:04] <EircB> yes
[08:04] <Crono5788> How does that work?
[08:04] <danko123456> ugh...older unixes///
[08:05] <EircB> vi (vim) has advanced features for editing programs
[08:05] <gaimtest> actually, gaim for irc isn't that bad
[08:05] <gaimtest> lol
[08:05] <Crono5788> Thought programs weren't editable, the .exes...
[08:05] <EircB> source files
[08:05] <danko123456> well, not only that...but, it has different commands than notepad...
[08:05] <Amaranth> danko123456: talking about terminal beeps for when you do something wrong?
[08:05] <danko123456> ya:)
[08:05] <gaimtest> btw, im still loading files, after the first attempt failed
[08:05] <danko123456> its fun
[08:05] <dooglus> is there some setting for whether I can use Ctlr-Alt-+ to switch between different resolutions?  'cos at the moment it's not working for me
[08:05] <Amaranth> i'd go nuts
[08:05] <EircB> vim is notepad on superman speed * 10
[08:06] <Crono5788> o:
[08:06] <Amaranth> btw, mark shuttleworth (you know who he is) is giving a netnote speech at guadec in 84 minutes, you guys should try to watch :)
[08:06] <Amaranth> err, keynote
[08:06] <Crono5788> Okay, so sudo pico /etc/x11/xorg.conf, brb, install in question is two floors up
[08:06] <Amaranth> not netnot
[08:06] <Amaranth> bleh, too early
[08:07] <dooglus> Crono5788: you talking to me?
[08:07] <danko123456> how would we try it?
[08:07] <Amaranth> only those of you who can find the URL to the stream can watch it, otherwise they'll get slammed and i won't be able to ;)
[08:07] <Seq> Amaranth: I don't think I can make it to guadec that fast...
[08:07] <danko123456> ctrl+alt and a number, I think
[08:07] <danko123456> dooglus: ^ but that is a long dshot...
[08:08] <slonocode> hello.....where can i put bttv options?
[08:08] <dooglus> danko123456: that's for switching to the various console screens
[08:08] <Amaranth> btw, unless i find another major bug i think smeg 0.7 is going to be released today
[08:08] <danko123456> f4 is for that.
[08:08] <danko123456> 4 is for what I am talking about, and you.
[08:08] <Seq> dooglus: are you using + and - on your keypad?
[08:09] <dooglus> Seq: I don't have a keypad.
[08:09] <dooglus> Seq: it's a laptop
[08:09] <Seq> dooglus: thats prolly why it isn't working. I think it has to be keypad. try turning the numlock on if your laptop has it
[08:09] <dooglus> Seq: when I turn 'num lock' on, 'p' does '-' and ';' does '+'
[08:09] <Seq> dooglus: or optionally with the fn key
[08:10] <Seq> dooglus: ctrl+alt+fn+p   might work
[08:10] <Seq> dooglus: well.. not here, anyway
[08:10] <dooglus> nothing
[08:10] <danko123456> apple?
[08:10] <dooglus> nope, dixons
[08:11] <Crono5788> Holy crap, I almost wet myself
[08:11] <dooglus> d6es ctr3-alt-+ do it for you?
[08:11] <Crono5788> I see Linux is case sensitive
[08:11] <dooglus> Crono5788: yes.
[08:11] <Crono5788> I went to edit /etc/x11/xorg.conf and it was totally blank o.o
[08:12] <Crono5788> Then I made the X in x11 capital case and poof
[08:12] <Crono5788> My life was saved
[08:12] <[Chameleon] > Crono5788: LOL
[08:12] <Crono5788> And now the login screen is showing up
[08:12] <Crono5788> The whole thing looks fancy
[08:12] <EircB> yes, linux is case sensitive
[08:12] <Crono5788> They should have some sort of FAQ Q/A like, 'How do I edit a file?', in the wiki...
[08:13] <EircB> "Login screen wtf is a login screen..."
[08:13] <EircB> 10 years ago
[08:13] <EircB> long ass time
[08:13] <dooglus> they should have a "how can I recompile the kernel" too
[08:13] <EircB> I'm old.
[08:13] <EircB> they do have that :)
[08:13] <Crono5788> Luckily, here on out is an easy ride.
[08:13] <dooglus> Ctrl+Alt+Keypad-Plus
[08:13] <dooglus>     Change video mode to next one specified in the configuration file. This can be disabled with the DontZoom xorg.conf(5x) file option.
[08:14] <EircB> or ctrl+alt+shift+plus-above-equal
[08:14] <Crono5788> All I have to do is kick my Linksys 802.11G card until it works in Linux and then I've got everything covered
[08:14] <danko123456> yeah, the basics.......
[08:14] <EircB> hehe
[08:14] <EircB> there is a windows to linux howto
[08:14] <dooglus> EircB: that doesn't do anything either
[08:14] <Seq> Crono5788: yeah, usually the threat of physical violence gets those bits shaking pretty good
[08:15] <Crono5788> I know
[08:15] <Crono5788> It works on my Dreamcast all the time
[08:15] <Crono5788> If it won't read a game or disc
[08:15] <Crono5788> I just go up to punch it and all the sudden it can raed
[08:15] <Crono5788> *read
[08:15] <Madpilot> there is a PC support outfit here in town called "Swift Kick Computing"...
[08:15] <danko123456> why am I totally always being frustrated by the stupid computers not working how I would like them to?
[08:15] <EircB> dooglus,  did you enable different resoultions in xorg.conf?
[08:15] <Lestat_> how coul i disable the automount and aurorun in ubuntu???
[08:16] <Crono5788> But wow, it finall freaking works
[08:16] <Crono5788> Thank you so much
[08:16] <EircB> :)
[08:16] <Lestat_> how could i separate my root acount from my user.. acount???
[08:16] <EircB> you what?
[08:16] <Crono5788> Went out, bought a SATA drive so I could wipe my primary to install Linux because dual boots with Windows never worked...
[08:16] <dooglus> EircB: it's a long story.
[08:16] <Crono5788> Then I locked my computer up
[08:16] <Crono5788> Then SATA didn't work
[08:16] <Crono5788> Then X server didn't work
[08:16] <Crono5788> But now it works
[08:17] <dooglus> EircB: I'm using the "merged framebuffer mode" of the "sis" driver for x.org
[08:17] <Crono5788> And to think it's only 2:16
[08:17] <Crono5788> And I started at 4:00
[08:17] <dooglus> http://www.winischhofer.at/linuxsispart2.shtml#mergedfbmode
[08:17] <EircB> :)
[08:17] <EircB> Crono5788, I installed ubuntu for the first time today too
[08:17] <danko123456> Lestat_: you into vampires? Apps>Sys Tools>COnf Editor
[08:17] <EircB> and vmware
[08:17] <EircB> and windows in vmware
[08:17] <EircB> rah!
[08:17] <danko123456> Lestat_: gnome?
[08:17] <Crono5788> But you know about Linux, though
[08:17] <EircB> :)
[08:17] <dooglus> EircB: he writes: "As of XFree86 4.3 (and all versions of X.org), the Modes statement in the Screen section is not relevant anymore in MergedFB mode. It can basically be left out." - so I left the 'modes' out.  maybe, however, they're needed after all?
[08:18] <Lestat_> m nop in kubuntu desktop... (KDE 3.4) danko123456
[08:18] <Crono5788> Well anyone
[08:18] <Crono5788> *anyway
[08:18] <Crono5788> I'm gonna go break my computer some more
[08:18] <Crono5788> Ty for the help
[08:18] <danko123456> Lestat_: then I dont know...I know in gnome how to do it.
[08:18] <Lestat_> but i think it isnt so different danko123456
[08:19] <EircB> dooglus, *shrug* I don't know much about xorg
[08:19] <EircB> Crono5788, enjoy
[08:19] <danko123456> It has the different config files, thos...
[08:19] <danko123456> Not sure, I never really use kde, some here do, likely...
[08:19] <danko123456> does anyone use kde, and know how to set up the automount, and autorun on cds, and removable media?
[08:20] <Lestat_> ok
[08:21] <deFrysk> danko123456, most people on #kubuntu use kde
[08:21] <Lestat_> ja ok.. im gonna to kubuntu
[08:21] <EircB> I'm not sure I'm comfortable with this world shift to gnome
[08:21] <danko123456> :) hey, why is my internet connection getting me upset?
[08:22] <danko123456> wow, now its up, and I did nothing....man...
[08:24] <danko123456> am I alive here?
[08:24] <jsgotangco> obviously
[08:24] <Lestat_> jajajajajajajaja
[08:24] <danko123456> ok, thanks, noone was saying nothing.
[08:24] <EircB> yeah
[08:24] <EircB> ja ja
[08:24] <nern> raaaaaar
[08:24] <danko123456> where are you from Lestat_, netherlands?
[08:24] <Lestat_> no i dont..
[08:24] <Lestat_> im from mexico
[08:24] <Lestat_> and actually i live in cancun
[08:25] <nern> girls with low self esteem
[08:25] <danko123456> whats with jajajaj, I see that often...
[08:25] <danko123456> is that a spanish thing?
[08:25] <Lestat_> yeah..
[08:25] <danko123456> oh, ok, bnow I know.
[08:25] <Lestat_> and where are you from danko 1 2 3 14
[08:27] <danko123456> danko wasnt available when I first came to freenode...Canada now, Croatia/Yugoslavia originally...
[08:27] <Lestat_> ok..
[08:27] <Lestat_> thats interesting..
[08:28] <dooglus> ok.  i'll give up on trying to get x.org set up how I like it, and move on...
[08:28] <dooglus> to...  how do you set up the firewall so that you can still browse windows shares?
[08:28] <Lestat_> well lstat is no avaliable.. because there a lot of anne rice fans..
[08:28] <k4rp0r> does anyone knows any good movie players fo linux?
[08:28] <desrt> totem.
[08:28] <Lestat_> kaffeine..
[08:28] <deFrysk> mplayer xine
[08:28] <Touru> danko123456: D'you happen to know if the Canadian Ubuntu mailing lists and so forth are active?
[08:29] <dooglus> vlc
[08:29] <desrt> k4rp0r; the default totem installation on ubuntu uses gstreamer = sucks
[08:29] <danko123456> lestat is a vampire name...
[08:29] <desrt> apt-get install totem-xine
[08:29] <desrt> that'll replace it with a somewhat more capable backend
[08:29] <danko123456> Touru: no, I dont happen to know.
[08:29] <Lestat_> yeah.. but all of them use th xine libs.. actually the xine motor to work..
[08:29] <Crono5788> Whenever I move the mouse , the computer makes this clicking noies...
[08:29] <Touru> Mmmkay, thanks anyway,
[08:29] <Crono5788> Anyone know what it is?
[08:29] <desrt> Crono5788; cpu power saving
[08:29] <Crono5788> *noise
[08:29] <Lestat_> jajaj yeah..
[08:29] <Crono5788> Power saving?
[08:29] <deFrysk> Crono5788, your mouse rusts ?
[08:30] <desrt> how loud is the click?
[08:30] <Crono5788> No, no
[08:30] <Crono5788> The computer makes the noise
[08:30] <Crono5788> Not the mouse
[08:30] <Crono5788> It's optical, plastic
[08:30] <Crono5788> USB
[08:30] <Lestat_> what da.,.. mouse??
[08:30] <Crono5788> Fancy-shmancy Logitech
[08:30] <danko123456> nice...I just did a dist-upgrade on a new install, and now I sit back and relax and wait...
[08:31] <Lestat_> ive never prove this..  i usemy geeric ps2 mouse..
[08:31] <Crono5788> But, in Ubuntu, whenever I move the mouse I can hear a clicking kind of sound.
[08:31] <deviant> how come when i do a modprobe -r to a module, it`s loaded next time the machine bootes ?
[08:31] <Crono5788> Which is very noticeable because right now my computer's right next to my face, with the case open
[08:32] <dooglus> deviant: because modprobe -r doesn't make any permanent changes.
[08:32] <danko123456> deviant: that truly should not happen(to the extent of my newb knowledge...)
[08:32] <dooglus> if you don't want the module loaded when you boot, comment it from /etc/modules
[08:32] <danko123456> hehe
[08:33] <danko123456> Crono5788: stop, and think, there is not much I can think of...
[08:33] <Harnak> Does anyone know of a howto or can explain to me how I can get dual monitors with an ATI Radeon card working where the second monitor is an extension of the first screen?  But I don't want apps when maximized to span both monitors.
[08:33] <deviant> dooglus: but i can`t find it in /etc/modules. for example snd_pcm_oss
[08:33] <deviant>  is not there ...
[08:34] <danko123456> Harnak: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowTo I typed that out.
[08:34] <Harnak> thanks Danko123456
[08:34] <Seq> deviant: make a file in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ , and add the name of the module to that file
[08:35] <danko123456> Note (optional): You might want to install the fglrx-control package, which provides a control panel to configure graphics card options such as dual-head display (two monitors).
[08:35] <danko123456> Harnak: welcome, I know its mentioned there, not much more...
[08:35] <fryzie> bisa gak
[08:36] <Crono5788> I think it's the PC speaker making that noise but I'm not sure
[08:36] <Lestat_> cio im gonna sleep because i need to wape early morning..
[08:36] <putri> hai
[08:36] <Harnak> I tried teh fglrx-control package but that only creates an XFree86-4 config file and not xorg. It does span both monitors but causes apps when fullscreen to span both monitors.. :(
[08:36] <Crono5788> So then I guess I could just unplug my PC speaker, don't use it for much...
[08:37] <danko123456> bye...hi...
[08:37] <Crono5788> Hi bye?
[08:37] <danko123456> (01:36:40) Lestat_: cio im gonna sleep because i need to wape early morning..
[08:37] <danko123456> (01:36:40) putri: hai
[08:37] <deviant> Seq: when i was using debian, a while ago, there was an ap (modconf i think), in wich i could see what modules are loaded and load/unload them by will. it seems i can`t find it on ubuntu
[08:37] <Lestat_> jajajajja
[08:37] <putri> haiiiii
[08:38] <danko123456> lsmod
[08:38] <danko123456> lists modules, I think
[08:38] <Seq> deviant: what module is it? its probably loaded automagically by hotplug
[08:38] <EircB> lists loaded modules
[08:38] <Marble2> how can I get jre working in firefox?
[08:38] <danko123456> Marble2: still?? tried those two links I gave you?
[08:39] <Marble2> yes I tried them
[08:39] <Marble2> didn't work
[08:39] <danko123456> I mean, I dunno if I should help you with gambling...
[08:39] <Marble2> it's not just that site
[08:39] <Marble2> other ones that need java too.
[08:39] <Marble2> i tried creating a symbolic link like a couple guides said, but then firefox crashed when I went to the site
[08:39] <deviant> seq: well, let`s start with OSS modules. now i`m using ALASA, and i want to get rid of the OSS ones
[08:40] <danko123456> ok, well, can you undo all you did?
[08:40] <Marble2> yea
[08:40] <Marble2> i undid it
[08:40] <danko123456> Marble2: pm me...
[08:40] <Marble2> doesn't crash
[08:40] <Seq> deviant: which oss modules? if they start with snd_ , they are alsa modules to provide oss compatability. ubuntu is alsa by default
[08:41] <EircB> is there a -current install source?
[08:42] <deviant> seq: so snd_pcm_oss are part of ALSA ? ermm
[08:43] <Crono5788> So in order to get my Windows Linksys 802.11G card in Linux I use NdisWrapper?
[08:43] <Seq> deviant: yes, to provide oss compatability
[08:43] <deviant> Seq: aha. capisci. then, what are the oss modules?
[08:43] <KarlosII> netsplit
[08:43] <KarlosII> woot
[08:44] <danko123456> where, KarlosII?
[08:44] <Madpilot> nah, a netsplit on a big channel like this involves at LEAST two pages of green text... :)
[08:44] <Seq> deviant: more blandly named, if i recall. for example, on alsa the sblive driver is snd_emu10k1 , wheras oss was just emu10k1 (i believe)
[08:45] <Crono5788> Say I use this NdisWrapper thing and get the drivers to work...
[08:45] <jdizzle> wtf i installed the new ati drivers and still no 3D acceleration
[08:45] <Crono5788> What then?
[08:45] <Crono5788> Does it automatically get wireless internet, or do I need to go through network config things?
[08:45] <cyphase> does anyone know of *any* kind of VoIP implementation that works like Jabber, in that you can talk with someone at voip1.com even though your on voip2.com?
[08:46] <Seq> jdizzle: what card?
[08:46] <deviant> Seq: aha. now i get it :) ok, one more question: when i do a lsmod i see there all kinds of modules, which i`m not sure i`ll ever use. how can i get rid of them, as they are not listed in /etc/modules ?
[08:46] <jdizzle> Seq: Radeon 9500 pro
[08:47] <KarlosII> another server I thought for a moment the channel was on this server
[08:47] <Seq> jdizzle: and you've set up the xorg.conf as per ati's instructions?
[08:47] <Seq> deviant: depends what the modules are. there are some that you definately won't want to remove (ide chipset drivers, for example)
[08:47] <jdizzle> Seq: per a tutorial on ubunu forums
[08:48] <jdizzle> Seq: ati gave instructions?
[08:48] <dooglus> deviant: be careful.  I went along that route once, disabling all kinds of stuff "I would never use".  I ended up without a working keyboard...  :)
[08:48] <deviant> dooglus: i`ll research each one of them before removing ...
[08:48] <ekCo> hey
[08:48] <Seq> but do what i said earlier -- make a file in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ and list modules you dont want loaded there. most modules are loaded by hotplug (at least in my experience, though im sure not all)
[08:49] <deviant> dooglus: but how to remove them? where are them listed, or loaded from. or someting ...
[08:49] <Seq> jdizzle: yeah, when you go to ati's website to get the drivers, they have a big readme i believe
[08:49] <Seq> jdizzle: i ditched my ati card a while back, so i cant remember the exact procedure
[08:49] <dooglus> deviant: I removed them by editing the kernel config, unticking them and rebuilding the kernel.
[08:50] <ekCo> i keep getting this error when trying to compile programs.
[08:50] <ekCo> "checking whether the C++ compiler (gcc  ) works... no
[08:50] <ekCo> configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C++ compiler cannot create executables."
[08:50] <danko123456> sudo apt-get install build-essential ?
[08:51] <dooglus> Seq, I'm running ubuntu on a laptop.  It has a pcmcia slot, into which I plug a USB2 interface card.  If I run Windows with the card in, it's fine.  If I run ubuntu with the card in, my ethernet connection goes down after a random time period.  Any idea why, or how to diagnose the problem?
[08:51] <jdizzle> Seq: nothin on the site
[08:51] <Crono5788> Does Ubuntu, by default, install sources?
[08:51] <jdizzle> anyone here successfully install new ati xorg drivers?
[08:52] <Crono5788> Kernel sources I guess is what it means...
[08:52] <Seq> dooglus: anything come up in dmesg??
[08:52] <Crono5788> Or... Something..
[08:52] <Seq> dooglus: but offhand, no.. no idea..
[08:52] <Seq> Crono5788: not by default, no
[08:52] <ekCo> yeah danko123456 thanks :)
[08:52] <dooglus> Seq: no, I don't think so.
[08:52] <deviant> dooglus: yeah, i was thinking of that. but i`m to lazy right now to do that. is like 10 AM and i haven`y sleept enough for this kind of operation. besides, i`m out of coke :(
[08:52] <Crono5788> Well crap
[08:52] <danko123456> ekCo: that worked?
[08:52] <ekCo> yeah
[08:52] <KarlosII> crud
[08:52] <ekCo> i did it last install
[08:52] <dooglus> deviant: where is it 10am?
[08:52] <Crono5788> Why can't the apps for Linux just come pre-compiled?
[08:53] <transgress> Crono5788: they doo
[08:53] <ekCo> i had it on my second hdd.. forgot to on this one
[08:53] <transgress> err do
[08:53] <deviant> dooglus: where i am now. (bucharest)
[08:53] <transgress> Crono5788: what do you think apt-get is?
[08:53] <Crono5788> I do not know what apt-get is
[08:53] <danko123456> cool:)
[08:53] <dooglus> deviant: it's 9am in praha
[08:53] <jdizzle> anyone have working ati drivers in ubuntu?
[08:53] <danko123456> glad I could help you with my newb knowledge:)
[08:53] <danko123456> lots of ppl...
[08:53] <deviant> dooglus: want to switch places ? :P
[08:54] <dooglus> deviant: what, and lose an hour?  no way!
[08:54] <Crono5788> Does anyone have experience with NdisWrapper?
[08:54] <danko123456> Crono5788: apt-get gets you precompiled binaries.
[08:54] <transgress> Crono5788: i do
[08:54] <deviant> dooglus: i`ll buy a beer :P
[08:54] <Crono5788> Do I need the sources to use it?
[08:54] <danko123456> then it is 10am in like, turkey, or smthng like that...
[08:54] <transgress> i had to get the sources to get them to work, but there are precompiled binaries available... they may work for you... i had to grab sources to get amd64 support
[08:55] <jdizzle> there any working tutorials for the new ati drivers?
[08:55] <danko123456> if its 9 in praha
[08:55] <Crono5788> Where might the pre-compiled binaries be?
[08:55] <Crono5788> Google?
[08:55] <transgress> jdizzle: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:55] <danko123456> Crono5788: what sources:)
[08:55] <transgress> Crono5788: apt-get
[08:55] <danko123456> in the ubuntu repositories, I think you refer to them as sources.
[08:55] <Crono5788> I can't get on any network, though
[08:55] <KarlosII> bah mplayer broke with the latest updates
[08:55] <transgress> Crono5788: if you are in ubuntu and don't know how to use apt-get you are in way above your head
[08:55] <jdizzle> has anyone successfully installed ati drivers?
[08:55] <transgress> ah
[08:55] <transgress> umm
[08:56] <KarlosII> ooh well
[08:56] <transgress> Crono5788: well you are gonna need to apt-get some stuff to use the sources too... so grab an ethernet cable
[08:56] <Crono5788> Right now my Ubuntu computer is upstairs, I'm on a WinXP Media Center with a CD burner
[08:56] <EircB> you poor thing
[08:56] <KarlosII> xp gah
[08:56] <danko123456> Crono5788: can you get online, no?
[08:56] <Crono5788> I can't make my cable go through my floors and down my stairs
[08:56] <ekCo> Just another small prob, i get this error with nvclock.. leafb0x@ekCo:~$ nvclock -i
[08:56] <ekCo> NVClock v0.7
[08:56] <ekCo> Segmentation fault
[08:56] <ekCo> leafb0x@ekCo:~$
[08:56] <EircB> Crono5788,  you own a drill don't you?
[08:56] <Seveas> Crono5788, then bring your comp. downstairs :)
[08:56] <EircB> no no
[08:56] <KarlosII> yes you can, I did, and it was CAT6 Ethernet :)
[08:56] <Seq> jdizzle: try /usr/share/doc/fglrx
[08:56] <EircB> destruction is much more fun
[08:57] <Crono5788> lol
[08:57] <jdizzle> do the new ati drivers even work on ubuntu
[08:57] <Crono5788> Don't think my parents would like that too much
[08:57] <deviant> jdizzle:  look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495&highlight=ati+drivers
[08:57] <Crono5788> Both the destruction and the noise during sleep time
[08:57] <Seq> jdizzle: there is an index.html there, it has ati's instructions
[08:57] <KarlosII> jdizzle, yes
[08:57] <KarlosII> my friend at work got them working
[08:57] <Crono5788> So there's no way to use this computer to help?
[08:57] <ubuntu> hiya all
[08:57] <KarlosII> always a awy
[08:57] <ubuntu> noob alert
[08:57] <KarlosII> away
[08:57] <EircB> :)
[08:58] <ubuntu> need help with wireless on ubuntu
[08:58] <Crono5788> ...Would it be easier to just skip out tomorrow and buy a Linux compatible wireless G card?
[08:58] <KarlosII> mr canada speak
[08:58] <KarlosII> :)
[08:58] <KarlosII> any card is wireless :)
[08:58] <ubuntu> the system recognises it and its in the devices list
[08:58] <danko123456> so, KarlosIIyou ahve a canada speak buddy at work?
[08:58] <Crono5788> Uh...
[08:58] <KarlosII> and linux compatible, u just need to knwo how to talk to it :)
[08:58] <ekCo> nvclock always gets a segmentation fault..
[08:58] <ubuntu> it just wont turn on (IBM T-42 thinkpad)
[08:58] <deviant> dooglus: just curious? how did u fix ur keyboard without a keyboard to work on ?
[08:58] <ekCo> whats the reason?
[08:59] <KarlosII> Actually I am a Canada :)
[08:59] <dooglus> deviant: I ssh'ed into the box.
[08:59] <danko123456> ubuntu, that should work out the box, taht is a good laptop for linux...
[08:59] <danko123456> KarlosII: which city?
[08:59] <deviant> dooglus: aha. nice :P
[08:59] <ubuntu> hmm
[08:59] <KarlosII> edmonton
[08:59] <danko123456> Winnipeg:)
[08:59] <KarlosII> born there
[08:59] <KarlosII> :)
[08:59] <danko123456> nice
[08:59] <ubuntu> another noob quesiton-how do i figure out the ip addresses i have both interfaces active on DHCP (wireless and ethernet)
[09:00] <KarlosII> I left behind all my dark secrets
[09:00] <dooglus> deviant: but also, since I was messing about with recompiling the kernel, I could just as well have booted into a previous build, which had the keyboard module compiled.  It's always worth keeping a working kernel in your boot menu...
[09:00] <KarlosII> in that city
[09:00] <KarlosII> :)
[09:00] <danko123456> ifconfig
[09:00] <dooglus> ubuntu: "ifconfig" and "iwconfig"?
[09:00] <deviant> dooglus: that would be my 1st option
[09:00] <Crono5788> My GOD the D-Link site is scary
[09:01] <ubuntu> in the root terminal-i presume?
[09:01] <jdizzle> KarlosII: whered u find a tutorial to install the drivers
[09:01] <danko123456> yes, si...
[09:01] <dooglus> deviant: if you're editing blacklist files and the like, you can boot into any kernel you like, but they'll all see the same blacklist file...  so make sure your firewall is allowing ssh connections, and your ssh daemon is starting at boot time
[09:02] <ubuntu> weirdness
[09:02] <danko123456> ubuntu, any terminal, in fact.
[09:02] <ubuntu> i am running ubuntu live
[09:02] <danko123456> ah...
[09:02] <dooglus> deviant: as a last resort there's always the install cd - that probably lets you get a shell where you can fix stuff
[09:02] <ubuntu> off a cd
[09:02] <KarlosII> what's the best tool to use create books with pictures of screen grabs?
[09:02] <deviant> dooglus: i`ll recompile my kernel later, so i won`t use blacklist. but as i said, that would be later ....
[09:02] <ubuntu> now-the first time i opened up the network setting tab-i got the wireless listed there-but not active-now it shows up as 'ethernet connection'
[09:02] <KarlosII> and if I were to write ubuntu book, would I violate the gpl if I were to make money from selling a printed copy?
[09:03] <transgress> KarlosII: no
[09:03] <deviant> dooglus: but 10x for the advice :)
[09:03] <dooglus> deviant: I've not managed to find any instructions for recompiling the ubuntu linux kernel - I read somewhere there were some special ubuntu patches that you need to apply, but I don't know the details.  did you find docs?
[09:03] <danko123456> ubuntu, if wireless is listed there, and you have a GUI, is it hard to get it working?
[09:03] <KarlosII> transgress, ty
[09:03] <deviant> dooglus: what kind of patches ?
[09:04] <ubuntu> thats what i'm saying-its not listed there anymore
[09:04] <dooglus> deviant: I don't recall.
[09:04] <danko123456> ekco, the reason is that you compiled the program, instead of apt-getting it....
[09:04] <danko123456> ^^
[09:04] <danko123456> ah...
[09:04] <deviant> dooglus: come to think of it, i don`t even know how to recompile a kernel anymore :( damn windows!
[09:04] <danko123456> im too tired, night.
[09:04] <EircB> later
[09:05] <jdizzle> someone help me with installing ati drivers for hoary linux (xorg ones)
[09:05] <danko123456> EircB: I was gonna ask, whats up with Rakim?
[09:05] <Jormundgand> Unsurprisingly, AIM logs on almost twice as fast as MSN.
[09:05] <danko123456> how's he doin'
[09:05] <ubuntu> night
[09:05] <ubuntu> thanks
[09:05] <bob2> jdizzle: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:05] <lykkelamaen> I cant get my screen resolution higher than 640 x 480. In Windows I can get 1280 x 1024. Dunno what I need to do? Update nVidia drivers?
[09:05] <jdizzle> i did that entire tutorial
[09:06] <jdizzle> bob2: did that tutorial 2x, still doesnt work
[09:06] <ubuntu> ITS ALIVE!!!!
[09:06] <deviant> jdizzle: u can try http//:ubuntuforums.org . they have a nice HOW-TO there, which will help you a loat
[09:06] <danko123456> :)
[09:06] <danko123456> you thought you could get rid of me that easy...
[09:06] <ekCo> leafb0x@ekCo:~$ nvclock -n 525 -  NVClock v0.7 -- Segmentation fault
[09:06] <Davey> I'm trying to make Firefox use Thunderbird as the mailto: handler, but when I have TB open it comes up with the Select Profile dialog and then obviously when I choose my profile it says the profile is in use, how do I get around this?
[09:06] <danko123456> I have a bot to turn on to replace me while I sleep...
[09:06] <ekCo> can anyone help that problem?
[09:06] <danko123456> nvclock compiled, or apt-gotten?
[09:06] <ekCo> compiled
[09:06] <EircB> Davey,  there is a thing for that on mozdev.org
[09:07] <Davey> EircB: remember what? :)
[09:07] <EircB> sorry, no
[09:07] <EircB> I didn't even take the time to set it up
[09:07] <danko123456> http://pastebin.ca/index.php
[09:07] <danko123456> ekco^
[09:08] <bob2> Davey: remove the lock file from ~/.mozilla-thunderbird/ or ~/.thunderbird/ ir wherever
[09:08] <bob2> Davey: make sure it's not running when you do that
[09:08] <EircB> heh
[09:08] <ekCo> ok danko123456, how can i uninstall my compiled version as i found it was using 32bit lol
[09:08] <danko123456> haha, ekCo, http://pastebin.ca/12942
[09:08] <ekCo> im on 64bit..
[09:08] <Davey> bob2: but it IS running, thats the point
[09:08] <Davey> bob2: I can't hit a mailto: link when Thunderbird is running, which is retarded
[09:08] <danko123456> make -r dunno, ask bob.
[09:09] <ekCo> bob2, read up please :)
[09:09] <bob2> Davey: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[09:09] <bob2> Davey: the shell script wrapper should handle that
[09:09] <bob2> ekCo: ?
[09:09] <bob2> ekCo: I don't do binary drivers
[09:09] <deviant> hmm, i have to go cook me some food ...
[09:09] <danko123456> he would like to know hwo to remove a program he complied, bob2, please.
[09:09] <ekCo> how can i uninstall my apt install of nvclock and my compiled install of nvclock
[09:09] <Davey> bob2: I can't use the word retarded now? :)
[09:09] <ekCo> so i can start these fresh
[09:10] <danko123456> well, for apt, apt-get remove nvclock
[09:10] <danko123456> sudo
[09:10] <Crono5788> So wait
[09:10] <Dr_Melectaus> Guys
[09:10] <Crono5788> There's no 802.11G hardware for Linux at all?
[09:10] <danko123456> wassup, ryan?
[09:10] <Dr_Melectaus> im running the live cd on my laptop
[09:10] <EircB> Crono5788, what?
[09:10] <Dr_Melectaus> but how the hell do i connect to the net
[09:10] <EircB> hehe
[09:10] <danko123456> EircB: so whats up with rakim?
[09:10] <Dr_Melectaus> hey danko123456 :)
[09:10] <Crono5788> 802.11G uses the Broadcom chipset which isn't Linux compatible?
[09:10] <bob2> ekCo: you can't, in general
[09:10] <EircB> why do people ask me that
[09:10] <Dr_Melectaus> need to know how to connect to the net
[09:11] <EircB> I'm not THAT EricB whoever he is
[09:11] <bob2> ekCo: "sudo make uninstall" might work if you still have the source tree around
[09:11] <Crono5788> So you can't buy an 802.11G card that comes with Linux support?
[09:11] <danko123456> no, only some g is broadcom, you have a Mac?
[09:11] <Jormundgand> http://pastebin.ca/12938 <- This is why you shouldn't try to execute multiple bash commands by separating with line breaks.
[09:11] <ekCo> hmm ok
[09:11] <Dr_Melectaus> if any one knows could they please pm so i can print it out and try on my laptop
[09:11] <ekCo> what about the compiled?
[09:11] <Crono5788> No, I'm on a Pentium
[09:11] <EircB> Crono5788, if you are just routing internet you don't need G anyway
[09:11] <transgress> my .11g works in linux...
[09:11] <danko123456> taht is for the compiled, ekco, what bob2 said.
[09:11] <Crono5788> What do you mean?
[09:11] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2: could you pm me details on how to connect to the net please
[09:12] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: no
[09:12] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: you need to give way more details
[09:12] <Dr_Melectaus> well i will
[09:12] <ekCo> hmm ok
[09:12] <danko123456> Jormundgand: no, that was cause of his sources.list
[09:12] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: e.. what hardware you have and how you want to connect to it
[09:12] <Crono5788> Routing internet?
[09:12] <Crono5788> We already have a Linksys 802.11G router...
[09:12] <Dr_Melectaus> ive tried what i can to my abbilitys but in all honesty i dont  have a clue what im doing bob2
[09:12] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: you presumably know how you want to connect
[09:12] <Crono5788> And I used a Linksys PCI adapter when I had Windows...
[09:13] <jdizzle> anyone else have problems with Xorg ati driver
[09:13] <Dr_Melectaus> well, its a USB ADSL modem (btvotager 100 usb adsl modem)
[09:13] <danko123456> yes, many ppl.
[09:13] <danko123456> jdizzle: ^
[09:13] <jdizzle> ive done like 4 diff tutorials and it keeps reloading mesa drivers
[09:13] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: ouch
[09:13] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: that won't be fun
[09:13] <Dr_Melectaus> its detected as i seen it in the device manager, but wether its suitable to run i dont know bob2
[09:13] <Crono5788> But since it's not compatible with Linux, I'm looking for an 802.11G card that is
[09:13] <Crono5788> Which I'm not finding one...
[09:13] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2: :(
[09:14] <transgress> jdizzle: delete the nvidia.ko file... after you run fglrxconfig and then in the made config... change the name to xorg.conf and change the word Keyboard in the xorg.conf to keyboard
[09:14] <Dr_Melectaus> if all else fails, i have a cat 5 cross over. i could try and bridge the connection from my dows machine but thats going to be impractable
[09:14] <Crono5788> Oh
[09:14] <Crono5788> I know what I can do
[09:14] <danko123456> impractical
[09:14] <Crono5788> One of those wireless access points...
[09:14] <jdizzle> transgress: its an ati card tho
[09:15] <brandontyrel413> Hey guys
[09:15] <Dr_Melectaus> ffs sorry danko123456ive been up 2 days mate :(
[09:15] <danko123456> yo!
[09:15] <Crono5788> They take a wireless signal and let you use ethernet...
[09:15] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: install the eciadsl
[09:15] <transgress> jdizzle: that's why you delete the nvidia.ko file ... it conflicts with the ati card
[09:15] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: er, package
[09:15] <danko123456> no need to be sorry, I suggest we make him go to sleep.
[09:15] <transgress> jdizzle: locate nvidia.ko
[09:15] <Crono5788> Computer (and thus OS) independent..
[09:15] <brandontyrel413> can ubuntu dual boot when on two different drives??? please help?
[09:15] <transgress> it's in /lib/some/shit/after/that
[09:15] <bob2> brandontyrel413: of course...
[09:16] <danko123456> brandontyrel413: I never managed it.
[09:16] <danko123456> bob2: please go ahead.
[09:16] <Dr_Melectaus> eci adsl? whats that and how do i do it. or any links would be greatfull bob2 so i dont waste your time when it could be used to do something a tad more constructive
[09:16] <brandontyrel413> hmm...
[09:16] <Crono5788> Which I guess would work out well if the new XBox doesn't come with wireless support out of the box
[09:16] <bob2> transgress: kernel modules are in /lib/modules/$(uname -r),
[09:16] <Crono5788> God damn DoA4
[09:16] <brandontyrel413> So which is it?? yes or no?
[09:16] <bob2> brandontyrel413: yes
[09:16] <transgress> jdizzle: yeah what bob2 just said
[09:16] <brandontyrel413> Thanks Guys
[09:16] <brandontyrel413> you are always a big help
[09:16] <jdizzle> transgress: so delete the nvidia file then run fglrxconfig?
[09:16] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: it's a package.  if you have no way to get ubuntu online, download it under windows and install the package on ubuntu from the windows drive.
[09:17] <danko123456> bob2: http://pastebin.ca/12944 is my entry in menu.lst for my windows...
[09:17] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: it really would be way way easier to get a proper ethernet modem/router, though.
[09:17] <Dr_Melectaus> i have a usb stick
[09:17] <Dr_Melectaus> if its more than 60 mb im screwed
[09:17] <transgress> jdizzle: either or... doesn't really matter.  because you have to reboot after all that
[09:17] <danko123456> bob2: never worked, tho....
[09:17] <Dr_Melectaus> i can put it on that bob2 and put it on my laptop
[09:17] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: it's ~140KB
[09:17] <Sh4d_aw> FRANCE SAID NO !!!
[09:17] <Dr_Melectaus> but you got a link handy as to where i can download it b2s
[09:17] <transgress> jdizzle: the xorg driver you get from apt writes to XF86Config-4 for some reason... even though it's the xorg driver... you have to rename it to xorg.conf and open the file and change the word Keyboard to keyboard or it won't load X
[09:17] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2**
[09:17] <transgress> that IS IMPORTANT
[09:18] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[09:18] <danko123456> CruJones: you are in ma...
[09:18] <bob2> transgress: has that bug been reported?
[09:18] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: but bear in mind you will have to do this all ovr again everytime you reboot the live cd
[09:18] <transgress> bob2: iuno... i'm lazy as hell though.
[09:18] <bob2> danko123456: I'm pretty sure windows won't boot from a non-primary hard disk
[09:18] <jdizzle> transgress: so u mean run the file, then edit the cfg before reboot
[09:18] <transgress> jdizzle: yes
[09:18] <hardcampa-> it will
[09:19] <transgress> jdizzle: if you don't change Keyboard to keyboard X will not load.
[09:19] <danko123456> yeah, so you meant it is possible to dual boot with something else...
[09:19] <hardcampa-> You can remap the boot with grub
[09:19] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2 its just for testing and messing just now before i actualy install
[09:19] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: so if you want to invest the effort into it, I'd install first
[09:19] <hardcampa-> think the command is called map hda,hdb something like that
[09:19] <ekCo> ah ok, danko123456, fresh install of nvclock, same problem
[09:19] <danko123456> hardcampa-: please go ahead,  http://pastebin.ca/12944 is my entry in menu.lst for my windows...never worked, tho....
[09:19] <danko123456> ekCo: not sure, then...
[09:20] <ekCo> same problem with the latest version of wine..
[09:20] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2 whats the name of the package im after, sorry tried scrolling up my but windows trial for xchat exspired and i have to use mirc which is really crap, cant find it up there^^
[09:20] <danko123456> man map, No manual entry for map...
[09:20] <ekCo> it says its a gcc+ error but i dont see how when i just fixed the problem for another??
[09:20] <EircB> g++
[09:20] <hardcampa-> danko check this out: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/map.html
[09:20] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: eciadsl
[09:20] <bob2> god the xchat author is stupid
[09:20] <Dr_Melectaus> :(
[09:21] <jdizzle> transgress: so where will this file be when i make it and where should i put it
[09:21] <danko123456> nice, hardcampa- Ill check that out in the morning.
[09:21] <Dr_Melectaus> im bloody pissed he/ they have done so with the windows ver
[09:21] <transgress> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:21] <nate__> how do you open nautilus in the trash?  (From the CLI)
[09:21] <hardcampa-> danko that simply fools windows to believe hd1 is on hd0 so to speak
[09:21] <transgress> mv it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:21] <danko123456> bob2: haha... he is stupid, hey?
[09:21] <bob2> danko123456: yes
[09:21] <transgress> jdizzle: ^
[09:21] <Sh4d_aw> right
[09:21] <bob2> danko123456: making the windows version shareware is stupid and evil
[09:22] <dbernar1> xchat rulez!!
[09:22] <ekCo> leafb0x@ekCo:~$ nvclock_qt  -       Segmentation fault
[09:22] <ekCo> argh wtf?
[09:22] <transgress> bob2: yeah i didn't like that either
[09:22] <bob2> ekCo: it might be oopsing your kernel
[09:22] <bob2> ekCo: there is a reason people avoid binary drivers
[09:22] <holycow> bob2, you cannot deny the windows users deserve it tho
[09:22] <bob2> holycow: huh?
[09:23] <Davey> *sigh* still no luck with TB :/
[09:23] <danko123456> bob2: so something I dont know and have no interest for? I never use that xchat, anyhow, except for ^^:)
[09:23] <holycow> windows users love paying to loose their freedom
[09:23] <ekCo> argh how can i fix that then danko123456
[09:23] <EircB> I have captured windows
[09:23] <Davey> holycow: I never paid to lose my freedom
[09:23] <bob2> holycow: then go for it, it doesn't mean linux authors have to be dicks about it
[09:23] <EircB> it runs comfortably in a window :)
[09:23] <Davey> holycow: I just got married ;)
[09:23] <danko123456> ekCo: I am a newb, I have no clue.
[09:23] <bob2> s/linux/FS/
[09:23] <EircB> Davey, someone paid for that
[09:23] <nate__> anyone know how to open nautilus in the trash from the cli?
[09:24] <holycow> Davey, hehe :)
[09:24] <EircB> and I bet you never leave the toilet seat up again
[09:24] <holycow> bob2, absolutely
[09:24] <bob2> ekCo: paste the last 20 lines from 'dmesg' to #flood
[09:24] <Davey> EircB: no, really, we were *very* cheap ;)
[09:24] <ekCo> erm dmesg?
[09:24] <danko123456> nautilus in the trash?
[09:24] <EircB> heh
[09:24] <bob2> ekCo: a command you run...
[09:24] <ice> hola
[09:24] <Dr_Melectaus> So bob2 once ive instaled it what should i do
[09:24] <thoreauputic> nate__: something like ` nautilus /home/user/.Trash
[09:24] <Dr_Melectaus> like what program do i run to get on the net
[09:24] <danko123456> nautilus .Trash/ maybe, nate__...
[09:24] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: you have to set it up first
[09:24] <Dr_Melectaus> sorry i must seem a total retard
[09:25] <danko123456> thoreauputic: I dnt like you:)
[09:25] <nate__> thoreauputic: that doesn't give you the Empty Trash option in the file menu though
[09:25] <nate__> thoreauputic: you still have to change places to Trash in the Places menu
[09:25] <bob2> ekCo: so, that's not what I asked for
[09:25] <danko123456> nate ctrl+a then del...
[09:25] <bob2> 17:24:07           bob2 | ekCo: paste the last 20 lines from 'dmesg' to #flood
[09:25] <Dr_Melectaus> yes but if i ask now bob2, it means i dont have to run from my bedroom to the living with my modem every 5 mins
[09:25] <nate__> danko123456: cmon man
[09:25] <nate__> danko123456: work with me :)
[09:25] <thoreauputic> nate__: *shrug* I don't use the trash anyway and I'm in fluxbox atm
[09:26] <sebdc> hi I can't find the hoary extra's no more and this adres comes back empty: deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[09:26] <ekCo> wtf bob2  which ones?
[09:26] <bob2> sebdc: ask on the forums
[09:26] <bob2> ekCo: what?
[09:26] <danko123456> nate__: ctrl+ a selects all, then del deletes...whats wrong with that?
[09:26] <ekCo> where can i get the 20output lines?
[09:26] <jdizzle> transgress: do i want to initialize xfree86-dga in this config thing?
[09:26] <ekCo> from dmsg?
[09:26] <Fator_Dee> hello
[09:26] <sebdc> bob2 will check
[09:26] <bob2> ekCo: run "dmesg".  it prints lines. paste them to #flood
[09:26] <transgress> jdizzle: i went mostly with defaults
[09:26] <danko123456> bob2: nice:)
[09:26] <nate__> danko123456: its not what i want? :)
[09:26] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: sudo pppoeconf
[09:27] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: I think
[09:27] <danko123456> isnt it like 6 am where you are bob?
[09:27] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: everyone who owns those modems seems to hate them, even under windows, afaict
[09:27] <danko123456> or maybe I got it wrong...
[09:27] <bob2> danko123456: 6pm
[09:27] <danko123456> ah, yeah, I got it mixed up...
[09:27] <danko123456> nate__: you want too much:-p that works...:)
[09:27] <ekCo> bob2?
[09:28] <danko123456> ekCo: did you paste it?
[09:28] <bob2> ekCo: "dmesg > /tmp/blah.txt", then put blah.txt somewhere
[09:28] <nate__> danko123456: meh
[09:28] <bob2> ekCo: on your website or pastebin.ca
[09:28] <danko123456> or tail dmesg something something
[09:28] <bob2> no, not tail
[09:29] <bob2> I need more output, it seems his kernel is utterly screwed
[09:29] <danko123456> no, hey, that is only for files.
[09:29] <nate__> thoreauputic: is fluxbox pretty nice?  I just started using xfce and i like how light and configurable it is
[09:29] <EircB> used to be
[09:30] <EircB> I don't think *box is being actively developed anymore
[09:30] <EircB> I still use fluxbox at work
[09:30] <ekCo> bob2, one sec
[09:30] <thoreauputic> nate__: flux is very nice, but you need to edit a few files to get it just the way you want it
[09:30] <transgress> EircB: what *box isn't?
[09:30] <EircB> fluxbox, openbox, blackbox
[09:30] <transgress> EircB: if you meant blackbox... they just had a release recently
[09:30] <EircB> really?
[09:30] <transgress> yes
[09:30] <jdizzle> transgress: wait, does this enable 3d acceleration with the card as well?
[09:30] <ekCo> bob2 http://pastebin.ca/12945
[09:30] <nate__> thoreauputic: not too hard to figure out though?  any good documentation?
[09:31] <jdizzle> transgress: cuz thats the problem im havin
[09:31] <transgress> jdizzle: yeah.  i play ut2004 most every night
[09:31] <thoreauputic> nate__: and the Hoary version is broken on my system, so I compiled it with --disable-xmb
[09:31] <bob2> ekCo: so, the nvidia module has crapped all over your kernel, afaict
[09:31] <ekCo> transgress, how do you get preferences in ut2k4?
[09:31] <ekCo> lol prob
[09:31] <ekCo> lol
[09:31] <EircB> I wonder who picked it up
[09:31] <thoreauputic> nate__: good docs on fluxbox.org
[09:32] <jdizzle> transgress: sweet thx
[09:32] <ekCo> how can i fix it?
[09:32] <transgress> ekCo: eh?  go to settings when you start it?
[09:32] <bob2> ekCo: uninstall it
[09:32] <EircB> they didn't have a release for years
[09:32] <bob2> ekCo: or stop using nvclock
[09:32] <Davey> btw, I never could fine the linux-k7 package :/
[09:32] <Davey> what packages do I need to upgrade my kernel to one that supports 1GB RAM?
[09:32] <bob2> Davey: they all do, afaict
[09:32] <bob2> Davey: certainly the i686 and k7 ones do
[09:33] <ekCo> lol but i want to set my proper speeds etc
[09:33] <ekCo> like core speeds..
[09:33] <Davey> right, but I need more than just the -image package, right?
[09:33] <ekCo> its default 2d, i want it back to 550mhz etc
[09:33] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2, i put the file on my laptop and exstracted it, then ran the package manager hopeing there would be some way to import it
[09:33] <bob2> ekCo: then talk to nvidia and ask them to fix their driver
[09:33] <ekCo> lolk
[09:33] <Dr_Melectaus> wtf do i do
[09:33] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: extracted it?
[09:33] <jdizzle> transgress: where do i change the word Keyboard to keyboard? throughout the whole file?
[09:33] <cthulfuego> bob2: there's a 960-ish Mb limit without HIGHMEM on 4G
[09:33] <bob2> Davey: no, linux-k7 is enough
[09:33] <Dr_Melectaus> it was .deb
[09:33] <bob2> cthulfuego: 896MB, but -i686-smp at least has HIGHMEM enabled
[09:33] <transgress> jdizzle: hold one sec and let me check... it's near the beginning... umm... it's under Devices
[09:34] <Sh4d_aw> 3 centimes tout ca
[09:34] <Triffid_Hunter> cthulfuego: it was 860Mb max on mine w/o highmem
[09:34] <Dr_Melectaus> it had an option exstract here
[09:34] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: then don't extract it
[09:34] <cthulfuego> bob2: Ah ok.
[09:34] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: delete whatever you did
[09:34] <danko123456> ok, well, as cartman would say.................
[09:34] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: then: sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[09:34] <Dr_Melectaus> jack shit happend
[09:34] <Davey> bob2: but that package doesn't exist for some reason :/
[09:34] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2 i copied the fil from my memory stick to laptop, the orig is still there
[09:34] <Dr_Melectaus> what do i do with it
[09:34] <bob2> Davey: yes, it does.
[09:35] <bob2> Davey: http://packages.ubuntu.com/linux-k7
[09:35] <transgress> jdizzle: i'm going to PM you if that is okay?
[09:35] <Davey> linux-image-k7 ?
[09:35] <bob2> Davey: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[09:35] <bob2> Davey: 17:34:23           bob2 | Dr_Melectaus: then: sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[09:35] <jdizzle> transgress: sounds good
[09:35] <Dr_Melectaus> fucking hell this is frustrateing
[09:35] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: it's dodgy hardware with dodgy drivers
[09:35] <bob2> it's going to be frustrating
[09:35] <Dr_Melectaus> nah i dont know wtf to do with the file i downloaded bob2
[09:35] <Sh4d_aw> yeah
[09:36] <nate__> wow, fluxbox REALLY is light
[09:36] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: dude
[09:36] <Dr_Melectaus> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Funiverse%2Fe%2Feciadsl%2Feciadsl_0.10-1_i386.deb&md5sum=a2478f2e23fe4aab7a284ff4a9f074dc&arch=i386&type=main
[09:36] <nate__> gotta doa bunch to get it all working, i think
[09:36] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: please read what I said, I told you exactly what to do with it, twice
[09:36] <Davey> bob2: that do? :)
[09:37] <bob2> ew, backports
[09:37] <nate__> thoreauputic: wow, REALLY light wm
[09:37] <Davey> bob2: pfft
[09:37] <nate__> thoreauputic: started in an instant
[09:37] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2 could you pm it i cant keep up with this convo. makeing me dizzy so many people talking O_o
[09:37] <thoreauputic> nate__: indeed
[09:37] <bob2> Davey: linux-k7 is available to you then
[09:37] <bob2> Davey: it's in hoary/restricted
[09:37] <Davey> bob2: see #flood
[09:37] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: no, sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[09:37] <thoreauputic> nate__: there are some nice eye-candy options like transparent menus etc though :)
[09:37] <bob2> Davey: yes, I read it
[09:38] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: you need to stop playing with the package manager and run the command I told you to run
[09:38] <nate__> thoreauputic: wow, 12 workspaces by default
[09:38] <bob2> this will not work until you do
[09:38] <Davey> bob2: no, I showed you /exec -o apt-cache search linux-k7, it wasn't finding it earlier. oh well, there it is
[09:38] <thoreauputic> nate__: ? I had 4 by default - but adding more is trivial
[09:38] <Dr_Melectaus> ok bob ill try that
[09:38] <bob2> Davey: yeah, weird
[09:39] <nate__> thoreauputic: haha, yep, i rarely use more than one.  can't remember the last time i did, matter of fact
[09:39] <dsd> hi im having trouble figuring out how to install ubuntu, ive read that i must make a partition using partition magic...if that is the case can someone tell me how i go about doing that...if thats not the case and ubuntu automatically resizes my windows partition and installs itself then please tell me how i do that also thanks alot
[09:39] <Davey> bob2: I assume, I have to reboot? :)
[09:40] <thoreauputic> nate__: you can switch workspaces withthe mousewheel - nice feature
[09:40] <thoreauputic> nate__: and of course you can tab your windows together with the middle mouse button
[09:40] <Davey> thoreauputic: what WM are you talking about?
[09:40] <holycow> rofl
[09:40] <thoreauputic> Davey: fluxbox
[09:40] <holycow> indeedy you can switch workspaces using roller button
[09:40] <holycow> ha!
[09:40] <Davey> oh, ugh. :)
[09:41] <holycow> thx!
[09:41] <thoreauputic> Davey: not ugh at all - it's a nice wm
[09:41] <nate__> thoreauputic: yeah, this is more than i wanna configure right now :)  But i'll keep it on here for later.
[09:41] <Davey> you know, how hard would it have been for Logitech to put the fricken * lock LEDs on the GD keyboard? :/
[09:41] <bob2> Davey: once you install it, yeah
[09:41] <Davey> brb, rebooting for new kernel.
[09:41] <dsd> anyone have the solution to my problem
[09:41] <nate__> thoreauputic: how do you change the menu?
[09:41] <thoreauputic> nate__: writing themes for it isn't too hard either ;)
[09:42] <thoreauputic> nate__: copy the default menu to say, ~/.fluxbox/mymenu and edit it in an editor, then pount init at it
[09:42] <thoreauputic> ~/.fluxbox/init
[09:43] <thoreauputic> *point
[09:43] <thoreauputic> nate__: I put a "menuedit" entry in the menu so I can change it more easily
[09:44] <nate__> thoreauputic: where is the default menu?
[09:44] <thoreauputic> nate__: it's all in the docs on fluxbox.org
[09:44] <Davey|Ubuntu> there we go, thanks bob2 ! :D
[09:44] <thoreauputic> nate__: do ` locate fluxbox` or ` dpkg -L | grep fluxbox `
[09:44] <dsd> anyone here that can help me with installing ubuntu as a dual boot from windows?
[09:45] <dsd> i would greatly apperciate it
[09:45] <thoreauputic> oops
[09:45] <thoreauputic> dpkg -L fluxbox I meant
[09:45] <nate__> dsd: check in www.ubuntulinux.org
[09:45] <Davey|Ubuntu> dsd: I just ran the installer, it automatically configured GRUB (The boot manager) to allow booting to windows also
[09:45] <dsd> thanks, but do i need resize my windows partition?
[09:45] <Davey|Ubuntu> dsd: just make sure you already have the partitions/drives in place which you can format, I don't know how able it is to resize the windows partition.
[09:46] <ice_1963> so format it
[09:46] <floo> can anyone tell me how to enable services in ubuntu?
[09:46] <Davey|Ubuntu> dsd: go buy a cheap 20GB HDD ;)
[09:46] <dsd> lol
[09:46] <Arrogant> So uh, what's this that happens when I hit ctrl+alt+F2
[09:46] <Davey|Ubuntu> floo: enable them? how so? at boot?
[09:46] <Davey|Ubuntu> Arrogant: you go to a shell
[09:46] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: you can enter a command to be executed
[09:46] <Arrogant> Yes, I noticed
[09:46] <Davey|Ubuntu> press ctrl+alt+F7 to get back...
[09:46] <Fator_Dee> oh, damn, there was ctrl :-|
[09:46] <floo> it would seem so, yes
[09:47] <Davey|Ubuntu> Arrogant: its just a shell...
[09:47] <Arrogant> Yes, I know how to get back
[09:47] <Arrogant> it said something about a tty thing
[09:47] <dsd> hmm....im using partition manager and so far ive resized my 53gig windows partion to around 48 gigs and the rest is made into two partitions: 1 is named LinuxEXT2 and the other is the swap partition...do i install ubuntu now using that config or am i doing something wrong thanks
[09:48] <Arrogant> I don't know very much about Unix at all :(
[09:48] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: that's normal
[09:48] <Arrogant> Yeah I figured
[09:48] <Arrogant> So uh, what's a tty?
[09:49] <thoreauputic> teletype  ( hangover from the old days) Now it's a console
[09:49] <Arrogant> Ah
[09:49] <Arrogant> Thoreau is not theraputic btw.
[09:50] <thoreauputic> Arrogant: whatever you say :)
[09:50] <Arrogant> Reading Walden gave me an experience I can relate back to when I want to describe utter boredom
[09:51] <thoreauputic> Arrogant: that's more a comment on you than Thoreau, old boy
[09:51] <Arrogant> :)
[09:51] <thoreauputic> Arrogant: try reading "Civil Disobedience"
[09:51] <Arrogant> I might. No ponds?
[09:51] <thoreauputic> haha
[09:52] <Dr_Melectaus> Damit. Sorry to say but looks like im bloody sticking with windows
[09:52] <thoreauputic> Arrogant: Gandhi was inspired by it
[09:52] <Dr_Melectaus> :-C
[09:52] <Fator_Dee> Dr_Melectaus: if you feel like that
[09:52] <Arrogant> Dr. M: Why?
[09:52] <Arrogant> Oh yeah, tab completion.
[09:52] <Arrogant> Duh.
[09:52] <Arrogant> Dr_Melectaus, why?
[09:52] <Dr_Melectaus> Because i dont have the first effing clue about nix
[09:53] <Dr_Melectaus> let alone ubuntu
[09:53] <Fator_Dee> and you can't learn?
[09:53] <Fator_Dee> ok
[09:53] <Arrogant> Meh, Ubuntu is a pretty simple distro :)
[09:53] <Dr_Melectaus> cant even install a feckin package
[09:53] <Arrogant> Synaptic, check it off, Apply.;
[09:53] <Arrogant> ;)
[09:53] <Dr_Melectaus> Arrogant: exactly, a simple distro. i cant do shit with it there for i think im stuck with dows
[09:53] <Fator_Dee> did you know how to install programs when you first laid eyes on windoze, I sure as hell couldn't
[09:53] <floo> I tried to play a cd and Igot an error message telling me that the hald service isn't running and to enable it, how do I do this please?
[09:54] <johnnybezak> hey guys
[09:54] <Jormundgand> floo: /etc/init.d/hal start
[09:54] <johnnybezak> any of you ever had your laptop battery refilled?
[09:54] <floo> cheers jhormund
[09:54] <Arrogant> I wouldn't be running Ubuntu if Windows actually ran on this computer
[09:54] <Arrogant> because I already have all my Windows installers downloaded
[09:54] <Rydekull> Fator_Dee: well.. the first time one tried one kinda figured out ya just had to do a repetitive click :)
[09:54] <Arrogant> Dialup is such a hassle.
[09:55] <Dr_Melectaus> arrogant it doesnt show. its on the desktop (put it on mem stick then desktop) and its so i can run my usb adls modem
[09:55] <Dr_Melectaus> its a .deb
[09:55] <Arrogant> Ah okay
[09:55] <Fator_Dee> Rydekull: but still, it's only a matter of learning
[09:55] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2 said do  sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[09:55] <Arrogant> sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[09:55] <transgress> haha i love the topic where it mentions breezy... nice going bob2
[09:55] <Arrogant> Yes
[09:55] <Rydekull> Fator_Dee: of course, but I just had to say it's very easy to learn :)
[09:55] <Dr_Melectaus> but it says there was an error proccessing
[09:55] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: first do ` cd Desktop `
[09:55] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[09:55] <Arrogant> Yeah you might want to get on the Desktop first :)
[09:55] <Davey> Dr_Melectaus: you replaced blah.deb with the .deb file you're trying to install, right?
[09:56] <Dr_Melectaus> im in the root terminal
[09:56] <Dr_Melectaus> yes davey
[09:56] <Arrogant> Okay don't go to root
[09:56] <Arrogant> That's what sudo is for
[09:56] <Dr_Melectaus> so what terminal do i run
[09:56] <Fator_Dee> a normal terminal
[09:56] <Dr_Melectaus> ok then
[09:56] <Arrogant> Applications > System Tools > Terminal
[09:56] <Dr_Melectaus> brb
[09:57] <Arrogant> At the bottom of the list :)
[09:57] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: right click the desktop and choose "terminal"
[09:57] <thoreauputic> quicker
[09:57] <Arrogant> You could also do ctrl+alt+F2.
[09:57] <Arrogant> ;)
[09:57] <wowdeb> awe man i wan't my cd to be shiped!
[09:57] <wowdeb> *who many times is that said round here :P*
[09:57] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: don't scary the poor guy ;-)
[09:57] <Fator_Dee> *scare
[09:58] <Arrogant> Hehe. He wouldn't be able to get back, and I don't think he'd know to run irc
[09:58] <Rydekull> http://a1.interclick.com/Interstitial.aspx?adId=0&ind=&wsid=88&requesturl=http%3A//www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20050504.html
[09:58] <Dr_Melectaus> ITS WORKING
[09:58] <Rydekull> :D
[09:58] <Dr_Melectaus> kick ass
[09:58] <Rydekull> argh
[09:58] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks everyone
[09:58] <Rydekull> annoying commercial things
[09:59] <Arrogant> :)
[09:59] <wowdeb> hey does the apt that comes with ubuntu come with apt-get-groupinstall
[09:59] <wowdeb> or what ever its called
[09:59] <thoreauputic> wowdeb: ...
[09:59] <Arrogant> Dr_Melectaus, you'd say Linux kicks ass a lot more often if you were a programmer
[09:59] <wowdeb> its like the group install in yum
[09:59] <Arrogant> It's phenominal how things actually compile on Linux
[10:00] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2 i got the package installed, what should i do now
[10:00] <Rydekull> wowdeb: you shouldnt even think about such foul things as yum :/
[10:00] <thoreauputic> Arrogant: yeah, weird concept ;-)
[10:00] <wowdeb> Rydekull: lol yeah man
[10:00] <Davey> grrr, this shouldn't be so fricken hard :/
[10:01] <Fator_Dee> but atleast yum is yummy
[10:01] <Arrogant> Hehe.
[10:01] <Arrogant> I think it might have something to do with everything worth compiling is written to compile on Linux, but that might just be me.
[10:01] <Dr_Melectaus> Arrogant. thats me got my modem installed but how the hell do i use it to connect to the net
[10:02] <Davey> seriously, does anyone have FF and TB working where you can click mailto: links in FF whilst TB is open?
[10:02] <Dr_Melectaus> ive tried about every prog that has the word network in it but havent had any lu8ck
[10:02] <Dr_Melectaus> luck**
[10:02] <wowdeb> This package adds four new commands to apt for installing, removing and viewing groups of packages: apt-cache groupnames apt-cache showgroup <groupname> [<groupname2> ..]  apt-get groupinstall <groupname> [<groupname2> ..]  apt-get groupremove <groupname> [<groupname2> ..]  The group information is retrieved from comps.xml used by anaconda (the system installer) and other package management tools of RHL/RHEL/FC distributions.
[10:02] <wowdeb> i don't know
[10:02] <wowdeb> i'll just wait untilll i get the cds
[10:02] <thor|away> Davey: look in about:config for mailto
[10:02] <Rydekull> used by anaconda (the system installer)
[10:02] <wowdeb> spose
[10:02] <Rydekull> bleh
[10:02] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2 i got the package installed, what should i do now
[10:03] <thor|away> gotta go - later guys
[10:03] <Tezkah> Davey: yeah, there should also be a place for default mail links
[10:03] <Arrogant> I wish they'd hurry up and give access to all config options in the GUI
[10:03] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: in FF?
[10:03] <Arrogant> Fator_Dee, yeah.
[10:03] <Davey> thor|away: I have that done, but it keeps opening the Profile Chooser which can't open my profile cause I have TB open...
[10:04] <Arrogant> Of course, not ALL of them
[10:04] <Arrogant> But the ones that are usable.
[10:04] <Arrogant> Some of them are still in testing phases
[10:04] <Arrogant> Also, I wish Gnome could flash the taskbar >:
[10:04] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: well, maybe it's because of that they are not in the gui :-p
[10:04] <Dr_Melectaus> How do i connect to the net with ubuntu
[10:04] <Davey> wowdeb: which?
[10:04] <Tezkah> Dr_Melectaus: how do you connect to the net with any other operating system?
[10:05] <Dr_Melectaus> uhm well with dows its a bit easier
[10:05] <Dr_Melectaus> ive never used nix before
[10:05] <wowdeb> Davey: which what?
[10:05] <Dr_Melectaus> i installed a package so i can use my usb adls modem but how i config/ use it to connect i dont habe a clue
[10:05] <Davey> wowdeb: package was the description of?
[10:05] <Dr_Melectaus> have**
[10:06] <Davey> Arrogant: uh, dude, time to create a startup file ;)
[10:06] <Dr_Melectaus> arrogant. what prog do i go to to config my net connection
[10:06] <Arrogant> Davey, I know, once I find out how to do that :)
[10:06] <Arrogant> I just installed Warty the other day
[10:06] <Arrogant> 'cause my CDs finally came.
[10:07] <Dr_Melectaus> arrogant. what prog do i go to to config my net connection mate?
[10:07] <Davey> Arrogant: warty? you upgraded to hoary right? :)
[10:07] <Arrogant> Davey, I would if I weren't on dialup
[10:07] <ice_1963> how can you apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[10:07] <ice_1963> java -version ?????
[10:07] <Davey> Arrogant: ugh
[10:07] <Arrogant> Getting the modem to work was a bitch I can tell you.
[10:07] <wowdeb> Davey: the stuff i pasted before was just and apt rpm that had special features like groupinstal
[10:08] <Dr_Melectaus> so what do you go to Arrogant
[10:08] <Davey> Dr_Melectaus: try this: http://ubuntuguide.org/#rp-pppoe
[10:08] <Davey> Dr_Melectaus: btw, thats an awesome site :)
[10:08] <Arrogant> Dr_Melectaus, I did pppconfig
[10:08] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks Davey
[10:08] <Arrogant> Which won't help you I don't thinkl
[10:08] <nate__> what irc client is everyone using?
[10:08] <Arrogant> think*
[10:08] <Arrogant> nate__, XChat
[10:08] <Fator_Dee> nate__: irssi
[10:08] <Triffid_Hunter> kvirc
[10:08] <wowdeb> Davey: but if u ment what CDs im waiting for im waiting for hoary hedgehog
[10:09] <nate__> Arrogant, thats what i'm using too, its kindof annoying that its systray plugin is so underdeveloped
[10:09] <NicP> yeah i think so to nate
[10:09] <NicP> i always close it
[10:09] <Arrogant> I don't really like any IRC clients
[10:09] <NicP> and then realise its not in the system tray anymore
[10:09] <nate__> NicP, know of a better irc client?
[10:09] <NicP> nah i like xchat the best
[10:09] <NicP> i just wish the systray thing was better
[10:10] <nate__> NicP, and closing the window doesn't send it to the systray, it kills it
[10:10] <nate__> how annoying
[10:10] <NicP> like when i closed it it minimised it
[10:10] <NicP> yeah i know
[10:10] <Enkidu> Ok i have discovered something very bizare...sound will only work on my system if i download the kernel source and compile it...but not necesarily run that kernel
[10:10] <NicP> plus you have to double click on the icon
[10:10] <Fator_Dee> irssi is great because you can just leave it in the "screen"
[10:10] <Hoxzer> NicP: are you willing to lose your virginity?
[10:10] <nate__> NicP, yeah, lame
[10:10] <nate__> Fator_Dee, how do you mean?
[10:11] <Fator_Dee> nate__: it runs in the background
[10:11] <NicP> Hoxzer, err what?
[10:11] <nate__> Fator_Dee, ummm, so does xchat
[10:11] <Hoxzer> >>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
[10:11] <[Chameleon] > It seems that AMD64 isn't getting much attention... I'm trying to install several packages on Hoary from the universe, multiverse, extras, etc. and dependencies are just not there... Anybody else running AMD64?
[10:11] <nate__> Fator_Dee, although i used irssi before as well, i want a good irc client that does well with the systray
[10:11] <[Chameleon] > It's becoming frustrating.
[10:11] <Fator_Dee> nate__: um, but if you logoff it'll close?
[10:11] <NicP> hoxzer, do u have a time machine?
[10:12] <nate__> Fator_Dee, thats behavior i like out of an IRC client
[10:12] <Fator_Dee> nate__: doh, do "man screen" I can't explain it so well :-\
[10:12] <nate__> Fator_Dee, ahhhh, right, i see what you mean, you can run it in another terminal, a vty
[10:13] <Fator_Dee> nate__: and you can access it through network
[10:13] <nate__> Fator_Dee, or is that not the right acronym, vty
[10:13] <johnnybezak> hey guys are there any issues you guys know of with netgear wireless routers and linux?
[10:13] <nate__> Fator_Dee, how so?
[10:13] <Fator_Dee> nate__: so the irssi runs at some server that is 24/7 on and you can irc from there
[10:13] <Fator_Dee> nate__: by ssh'ing to the server
[10:14] <nate__> Fator_Dee, but how does one access the irssi process that is already running?
[10:14] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2 you about?
[10:14] <Fator_Dee> nate__: by running it in screen
[10:14] <nate__> Fator_Dee, hmmm, ok
[10:15] <Fator_Dee> nate__: it might be clearer if you try to use the screen program
[10:15] <nate__> Fator_Dee, i was just reading that, but i don't have much use for that
[10:16] <Arrogant> I read the manpages and I still don't understand what it does
[10:16] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: use it
[10:17] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: type, "screen", then press ctrl+a,ctrl+d, then type "screen -list"
[10:17] <Choubaka> ctrl+a,d is enough
[10:18] <Fator_Dee> oh :-\
[10:18] <Arrogant> Heh
[10:18] <Fator_Dee> well, everyday you learn something new :-)
[10:18] <nate__> so, this has done what for me?
[10:18] <Arrogant> tty3 has one from when I ran screen earlier
[10:19] <nate__> ha, i don't even use multiple workspaces
[10:19] <quailster> I want to know what do people here use for P2P (like eMule) in Linux?
[10:19] <nate__> no use for screen, i think
[10:19] <Fator_Dee> nate__: maybe not for you
[10:20] <JohnFights> anyone know how to fix the menus in firefox when using kde so they dont look ugly and they text is small
[10:20] <Arrogant> quailster, probably torrents actually
[10:21] <nate__> Fator_Dee, thats what i meant, heh :)
[10:21] <word_virus> quailster: I use nicotine (a python implementation of Soulseek) sometimes
[10:21] <word_virus> quailster: I think it's in Synaptic
[10:21] <Fator_Dee> nate__: but keep that in mind, it's really good program though
[10:21] <nate__> JohnFights, you might need to install true type fonts, that tends to change the appearance of wm's a great deal
[10:21] <quailster> word_virus: thanks, I must try it out
[10:22] <nate__> Fator_Dee, I will, thanks.  I like being able to monitor everything running on my computer from one window, however.
[10:22] <nate__> thoreauputic is my hero.
[10:22] <Arrogant> hey thoreauputic.
[10:23] <thoreauputic> nate__: why ?
[10:23] <nate__> thoreauputic you save kittens from trees and help old ladies cross the street.
[10:23] <johnnybezak> hey guys is there a way to setup a closer mirror the u.s one is slow
[10:23] <thoreauputic> hahah
[10:23] <JohnFights> is there something wrong with the package manager? anytime i go to update the packages it fails
[10:23] <quailster> word_virus: ist's not in synaptic, at least not in warthog
[10:23] <nate__> johnnybe2ak, you could create your own mirror. :)
[10:24] <safezone> hi room
[10:24] <word_virus> quailster: sorry, coulda sworn that's where I got it.  Musta built it from source...
[10:24] <safezone> i need help any experts here
[10:25] <Tezkah> EXPERTS?
[10:25] <nate__> word_virus, he might not have the correct repos
[10:25] <mackito> hello
[10:25] <BoD_SWAT> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34516  --> Can anyone please help?
[10:25] <nate__> experts, safezone, you will find no such thing here, only people with ideas, and usually insane ones
[10:25] <safezone> ok
[10:25] <Arrogant> Or a profound lack of ideas and a whole lot of nonsense.
[10:25] <nate__> so true
[10:26] <Arrogant> Usually typifies the internet :)
[10:26] <safezone> can any one tell me how to install using this linux
[10:26] <nate__> safezone, synaptic
[10:26] <thoreauputic> oops
[10:26] <thoreauputic> *room
[10:27] <nate__> safezone, are you trying to install Ubuntu, or install something ON ubuntu?
[10:27] <mackito> somebody knows hot to put an external monitor next to the monitor of the laptop? i plug in the monitor but i get the same image...
[10:27] <Arrogant> I uninstalled Ubuntu once.
[10:27] <Arrogant> It broke my bootloader.
[10:27] <Arrogant> Good stuff
[10:27] <safezone> installing some thing on it
[10:27] <Arrogant> quickly*
[10:27] <nate__> safezone, run "sudo synaptic" in a terminal
[10:28] <thoreauputic> Arrogant: that's Ubuntu's version of "lockin" ;-)
[10:28] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: maybe Ubuntu saw that there was nothing to be saved so he tried to destroy every last piece of evidence of the malicious evil that resided there
[10:28] <Arrogant> :P
[10:28] <Fator_Dee> I'd vote on that
[10:29] <Arrogant> There is a lot of Python code to be saved.
[10:29] <Arrogant> If my computer went all I'd have left is what is up at uselesspython.com
[10:29] <quailster> It seems like Python is very popular among Ubuntu users
[10:29] <Arrogant> Which happens to be two very useless script.
[10:29] <Arrogant> scripts*
[10:29] <Fator_Dee> I suggest that you introduce yourself to backups
[10:29] <mackito> nobody knows what I've to do, so? for putting one monitor next to another?
[10:29] <Arrogant> Bah.
[10:30] <Fator_Dee> or mirror your important files on the net :-)
[10:30] <nate__> US
[10:30] <quailster> mackito: You need a video card that can support it.
[10:30] <transgress> mackito: make first your desk has enough room, then lift a second monitor and sit it next to the first one
[10:30] <Arrogant> Fator_Dee, I'd mirror if I didn't have dialup, ick.
[10:30] <mackito> :)
[10:30] <nate__> Arrogant, oh dear, get broadband
[10:30] <mackito> that i've already made
[10:30] <nate__> Arrogant, join the 21st cent
[10:30] <JohnFights> can anyone help when i go to update the packages synaptic for ubuntu it just says failed when downloading
[10:30] <Arrogant> nate__, thanks for the awesome advice
[10:30] <transgress> mackito: in seriousness though, you will either need to vid cards, or a video card with two heads
[10:30] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: dialup is... old...
[10:30] <mackito> and i've connected the two monitors
[10:30] <nate__> Arrogant, I try :)
[10:30] <Arrogant> Fator_Dee, oh really? :)
[10:30] <Rydekull> nate__: ... i buy a 200 one for the same price...
[10:30] <transgress> mackito: what kind of card?
[10:31] <mackito> now i need to display a continous desktop
[10:31] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant:yes, really
[10:31] <mackito> i've a laptop with kubuntu
[10:31] <nate__> Rydekull, the size is critical, mine is very very very very small
[10:31] <mackito> but in the control center
[10:31] <BoD_SWAT> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34516    |---> Anyone? (summary: my Pioneer DVDplayer doesn't work)
[10:31] <nate__> Rydekull, its a thumb-drive replacement
[10:31] <mackito> in display i can't see the optiom
[10:31] <Rydekull> nate__: ahh, ok, that explains the high price :P
[10:32] <nate__> Rydekull, indeed, the 40 GB model was $10 cheaper, but 10 times larger
[10:32] <quailster> I have never setup dual monitors on 1 computer before, but I did share two monitor on two computer using the same mouse and keyboard
[10:32] <mvlinux> hi all
[10:32] <nate__> quailster, kvm switch?
[10:32] <quailster> no, I just used VNC
[10:33] <quailster> so that when my mouse reach the edge of the screen it switches to the other computer
[10:33] <mackito> transgress: i don't know the name of my card
[10:33] <transgress> mackito: lspci
[10:34] <mackito> it's a card that just comes with the laptop
[10:34] <mvlinux> i need help i cant play .MP3 files in ubuntu Live CD but i can here the system sound
[10:34] <Davey> quailster: look at Synaptic, it'll probably be better for you :)
[10:34] <nate__> quailster, then you'll be very interested in intel's upcoming computer partitioning technology
[10:34] <Davey> mvlinux: Ubuntu doesn't include MP3 support by default
[10:34] <Davey> sorry, not SYnaptic
[10:34] <ford41CT> hello, how can we change the first part of the hostname?
[10:34] <Davey> its called uhm, Synergy :)
[10:34] <quailster> Davey: Synaptic is a package manager though
[10:35] <Davey> ^^ yes, Synergy is what I meant :)
[10:35] <Fator_Dee> Synsynsyn, all the same :-)
[10:35] <mvlinux> Davey, aha thanx
[10:35] <Davey> it *just* does the mouse/keyboard sharing over multi machines/OSs
[10:35] <mackito> transgress: lspci?
[10:35] <Fator_Dee> it'll come out with tab-complete
[10:36] <transgress> yeah i need to get synergy set up... i actually have two mice and keyboards for my two computers sitting next to each other
[10:36] <transgress> mackito: it's a command
[10:36] <Davey> when I click a mailto: link in FF and TB is not open, it opens up TB and give me a new message with the e-mail in there, however, when TB is already running, I get the Profile Manager window, and when I choose my profile and click to open it, it says its in use (obviously) :/ (Hoary)
[10:36] <mackito> yes but, the results are very long
[10:36] <mackito> :)
[10:36] <quailster> Davey: thanks, Synergy is it.
[10:36] <transgress> Davey: yeah that's a TB thing in order to not allow multiple instances to run... so don't leave it running.
[10:36] <thoreauputic> mvlinux: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:38] <Dr_Melectaus> i wish bob2 was about :(
[10:38] <mackito> transgress: i think my card it suports dual monitor because with windows it works
[10:38] <quailster> everyone: is NTFS write still not recommended in Linux?
[10:38] <Dr_Melectaus> mackito: what kinf of graphics card have you got?
[10:38] <bob2> quailster: it just doesn't work without captive ntfs
[10:38] <transgress> mackito: look for the video card name in lspci
[10:38] <Dr_Melectaus> ohhh bob2 is here
[10:38] <mackito> 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[10:38] <mackito> Dr_Melectaus:
[10:38] <weedar> I have a Logitech USB Desktop Microphone but I can't seem to find information on how to use it in linux, any takers? :)
[10:39] <mackito> is this possible?
[10:39] <mvlinux> thoreauputic, thanx  i'm reading now :)
[10:39] <quailster> bob2: what do you mean by captive?
[10:39] <Dr_Melectaus> bob2 got the package installed from earlier
[10:39] <Dr_Melectaus> fancy telling me how i get connection set up now :-\
[10:39] <bob2> quailster: a thing called "captive-ntfs", which loads the windows NTFS driver into the linux kernel
[10:39] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: I did tell you, hours ago
[10:39] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: no, bob2 isn't "actually" here
[10:39] <Dr_Melectaus> i done the terminal command bob2
[10:39] <quailster> bob2: thanks
[10:39] <thoreauputic> oops, yes he is...
[10:39] <thoreauputic> heh
[10:40] <Dr_Melectaus> but what option do i go to to config my connection
[10:40] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: sudo pppconfig
[10:40] <bob2> in a terminal
[10:40] <Dr_Melectaus> there isnt exactly a specific prog to do so
[10:40] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[10:40] <Dr_Melectaus> thank you
[10:40] <weedar> mvlinux: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ is a great help when installing ubuntu for the first time, you might want to check it out
[10:40] <mvlinux> r thes a dirct command to install xmms like: yum install xmms-mp3 ( in fedora) ?
[10:40] <nate__> is there an ubuntu install that installs xfce as the wm by default, instead of gnome or kde?
[10:41] <Fator_Dee> mvlinux: yes
[10:41] <kamstrup> mvlinux: sudo apt-get install xmms
[10:41] <thoreauputic> mvlinux: enable the universe repo and ` sudo apt-get install xmms`
[10:41] <weedar> mvlinux: The ubuntuguide has instructions for installing xmms among other things, like dvd-playback ;)
[10:41] <mvlinux> weedar,it's very nice and it's helping
[10:42] <thoreauputic> mvirkkil: you need to uncomment the entries in /etc/apt/sources.list or use settings in synaptic
[10:42] <weedar> The guide really helped me alot, actually the best guide to installing lots of useful software for any debian-based linux I've seen
[10:42] <thoreauputic> um - that was for mvlinux , sorry
[10:42] <nate__> anyone know?
[10:42] <|Ivancho|> Hi i need some help to configure a LAN betwen Ubuntu Hoary and Winxp :P Some help?
[10:43] <mvirkkil> thoreauputic: Wha?, oh, ok.
[10:43] <mvirkkil> thoreauputic: :)
[10:43] <Triffid_Hunter> |Ivancho|: they should all coexist quite happily...
[10:43] <thoreauputic> nate__: there was some talk of such, but if it happened or not I don't know
[10:43] <nate__> thoreauputic, thanks :)
[10:43] <weedar> Anyone set up a usb microphone in linux?
[10:43] <thoreauputic> mvirkkil: sorry :)
[10:43] <mvlinux> :)
[10:43] <mvirkkil> thoreauputic: No problem :-)
[10:44] <|Ivancho|> yeah i know but if i dont configure the ip in xp i have a low connectivity problem and if i do i dont see the host :(
[10:45] <|Ivancho|> its the first time that i configure a lan with ubuntu and i just discovery the command ifconfig ( with this u can imagine my lvl :) )
[10:45] <thoreauputic> nate__: you could achieve the same thing with a "server" install, plus xfce4 and x-window-system with gdm or whatever
[10:46] <thoreauputic> nate__: more work though, of course :)
[10:47] <nate__> thoreauputic, probably not worth it :)
[10:48] <Arrogant> I have to make some choices
[10:48] <Arrogant> I have heard some awesome things about OSX
[10:48] <thoreauputic> nate__: well, it's an option on old machines: i did something similar on Debian with fluxbox for a P200 mmx
[10:48] <Arrogant> But it is very disgustingly expensive :(
[10:49] <thoreauputic> Arrogant: i have an iBook g4 running Ubuntu ( I hardly ever boot into OS-X )
[10:49] <Arrogant> Why not?
[10:49] <thoreauputic> Arrogant: only down side is the Broadcom wireless isn't supported in Linux
[10:50] <OConnor> allo
[10:50] <OConnor> ???
[10:50] <thoreauputic> Arrogant: I played with OS-X, but I prefer Linux
[10:50] <Arrogant> Any problems you had with OSX specifically that I should watch out for?
[10:50] <thoreauputic> Arrogant: anyway I can use mac-on-linux for OS-X if I want to
[10:50] <OConnor> HELP????
[10:51] <thoreauputic> Arrogant: not problems really - I like to use nfs and it's a pain to set up on OS-X
[10:51] <blaroe> good morning
[10:51] <Arrogant> Ah.
[10:51] <Arrogant> My mom says "Why use Linux nobody uses Linux, why do you have to be different all the time"
[10:51] <benjamin1> anyone here having problems accessing the backport servers?
[10:52] <Arrogant> At which point I laugh because she knows nothing about computers :)
[10:52] <[Chameleon] > benjamin1: use a mirror.
[10:52] <thoreauputic> Arrogant: evidently
[10:52] <blaroe> I am having difficulty getting dhcp to set my hostname on my dns server - anyone come across this?
[10:52] <HC-> tell your mom to stfu noob
[10:52] <Arrogant> HC-, I want to be able to use my computer still
[10:52] <safezone> nate still here
[10:52] <thoreauputic> Arrogant: tell her to RTFM ;)
[10:52] <[Chameleon] > benjamin1: direct access to the main server is now disallowed. You must use a mirror
[10:52] <Arrogant> :D
[10:52] <blaroe> the hosts and hostname fiels are correct
[10:53] <blaroe> nothing in the wiki I could find to help
[10:53] <Tezkah> help
[10:53] <safezone> hay i need help
[10:53] <Tezkah> I have a problem
[10:53] <Tezkah> everything is working properly
[10:53] <Tezkah> ... this isn't right
[10:53] <Tezkah> k3b just ejected my CD =\
[10:53] <[Chameleon] > hehehe
[10:53] <IIIEars> wow users ate all the bandwidth on back port servers?
[10:53] <[Chameleon] > IIIEars: yeah
[10:54] <safezone> any one here
[10:54] <egg> me?
[10:54] <Madpilot> hi all... can anyone tell me why I'm not getting sound in some games in Ubuntu? FlightGear & SAR, specifically...
[10:54] <Madpilot> my sound works just fine elsewhere, too
[10:54] <safezone> hellow , hellow  any body thetre
[10:54] <egg> umm,me too ^_^
[10:55] <[Chameleon] > Madpilot: probably that those games are hard-coded to use the old DSP interface instead of the new ALSA.
[10:55] <[Chameleon] > Madpilot: maybe
[10:55] <[Chameleon] > :)
[10:55] <egg> I am here.
[10:55] <Davey> egg: joy!
[10:55] <benjamin1> anyone know where i can get the backport mirrors?
[10:55] <OConnor> im french and i need help please
[10:55] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: try using `killall esd` before running the game
[10:56] <IIIEars> Madpilot - (this newbie had luck by killing ESD)
[10:56] <OConnor> ?????????????,
[10:56] <egg> ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[10:56] <Madpilot> will try "killall ESD", just a second...
[10:56] <mof> OConnor: simply ask
[10:56] <thoreauputic> OConnor: vous pouvez parler Francais au canal #ubuntu-fr
[10:56] <OConnor> ok
[10:56] <thoreauputic> OConnor: /join #ubuntu-fr
[10:56] <jdizzle> anyone get error activating XKB configuration on login before
[10:57] <jdizzle> _XKB_RULES_NAMES_BACKUP(STRING) = "xfree86", "pc101", "us", "", ""  i have this error
[10:57] <jdizzle> or not error but w/e
[10:57] <Madpilot> cool, killall ESD seems to work.
[10:57] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: esd (lower case)
[10:57] <OConnor> merci thoreauputic
[10:57] <thoreauputic> OConnor: de rien :)
[10:57] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: right, lowercase. it did work, anyway!
[10:58] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: cool :)
[10:58] <Arrogant> So if I wanted to build a robot, Ubuntu would be the right thing to put into its left shoe, right?
[10:58] <[Chameleon] > Madpilot: right, because ESD maintains a chokehold on the DSP device
[10:58] <[Chameleon] > Madpilot: there was a fix... um.. hold.
[10:59] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: is there any way of automating killall esd -- run prog -- esd on prog end?
[10:59] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: depends on what you want that shoe to be capable of doing
[10:59] <IIIEars> lol - embarrassed - poor thoreauputic already very busy took 2 lines to correct my info. - ugh (going back to a quiet corner)
[10:59] <[Chameleon] > Madpilot: /etc/esound/esd.conf
[10:59] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: better is to follow the "fix sound" entry on http://ubuntuguide.org
[10:59] <Arrogant> Fator_Dee, compiling of course
[11:00] <Arrogant> What kind of shoe would it be if it couldn't compile?
[11:00] <[Chameleon] > Madpilot: spawn_options=-terminate -nobeeps -as 2
[11:00] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: a shoe that can't compile
[11:00] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: isn't that... obvious
[11:00] <Arrogant> Fator_Dee, touche.
[11:00] <Arrogant> e'*
[11:00] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: I have done `chmod -x /usr/bin/esd` here (esd is a pain) but... don't do this at home, kids...
[11:00] <Arrogant> Hmm, Ubuntu doesn't have the alt character inserts.
[11:01] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: is this the 'fix sound' entry you mean: http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[11:01] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: , 
[11:01] <[Chameleon] > Madpilot: yes, that's it.
[11:01] <Fator_Dee> Arrogant: it has
[11:01] <Arrogant> oh.
[11:01] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: looking
[11:02] <pschulz01> ubuntu
[11:02] <Madpilot> [Chameleon] , thoreauputic: this will replace esd with something else, I think?
[11:02] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: dmix, from memory
[11:02] <Arrogant> touch
[11:02] <Arrogant> Man that's not very handy.
[11:02] <thoreauputic> How do you guys do those accents?
[11:03] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: just press an accent and then a letter
[11:03] <Fator_Dee> , , 
[11:03] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: erm.. on a US style keyboard?
[11:03] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: erm, change to finnish style :-|
[11:03] <Arrogant> hehe.
[11:04] <Fator_Dee> your using the wrong one
[11:04] <Fator_Dee> :-p
[11:04] <Arrogant> That's one thing that I like about the Mac keyboard
[11:04] <Madpilot> Fator_Dee: those come out as little black diamonds in my IRC display - what were they supposed to be?
[11:04] <IIIEars> hehe
[11:04] <Fator_Dee> Madpilot: e accent, I suppose we have different character encoding
[11:05] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: switch your client to utf-8 I think
[11:05] <IIIEars> Is there a quick fix to restore open apps to the task bar?
[11:05] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: I use 8859-1 :-|
[11:05] <Madpilot> Fator_Dee: Obviously... I'm using Opera 8's IRC client, not sure which encoding it defaults to...
[11:05] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: that's the prob
[11:06] <[Chameleon] > Madpilot: Try following that guide though step 6 only and see if that helps you.
[11:06] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: hmm - I can see the accents here on utf-8
[11:06] <IIIEars> The open icons for apps are missing.
[11:06] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: oh
[11:06] <[Chameleon] > Madpilot: doing so will not replace esd
[11:06] <Fator_Dee> Madpilot: then the prob is on your side :-)
[11:06] <Madpilot> [Chameleon] : will try that in a minute
[11:06] <Fator_Dee> Madpilot: use a proper client :-)
[11:06] <Madpilot> Fator_Dee: yeah, except that Opera claims to already be using UTF-8 for this IRC server...
[11:07] <Madpilot> Fator_Dee: will have to bug report this to Opera...
[11:09] <johnnybezak> hey guys whats the wiki page for prelinking.?
[11:10] <jaysin> is there anyway i can view webcams using GAIM messenger?
[11:11] <Madpilot> [Chameleon] : tried the esd.conf editing, no sound in FlightGear again...
[11:11] <Madpilot> [Chameleon] : so, is replacing esd to get some stuff working going to break anything that works right now?
[11:12] <ice_1963> it seems like the add on cd has been discontinued why ????????
[11:14] <CarlK_> johnnybe2ak - prelinking?
[11:14] <Amaranth> ice_1963: it wasn't exactly legal
[11:14] <lesshaste> how do you flush your local dns cache?
[11:14] <[Chameleon] > Madpilot: I don't know. I haven't replaced esd.
[11:14] <[Chameleon] > Madpilot: the config file changes are all I've done so far.
[11:14] <Fator_Dee> Amaranth: what was the prob?
[11:14] <Amaranth> jaysin: no, a seperate project was working on that, dunno that status
[11:14] <[Chameleon] > Madpilot: in fact, trying to install the referenced library failed for me.. it was not found.
[11:15] <Amaranth> Fator_Dee: Besides the fact that shipping Java and w32codecs is blatant copyright infringement?
[11:15] <Fator_Dee> Amaranth: I ask because I don't know :-|
[11:15] <Madpilot> [Chameleon] : oh well, will experiment...  according to Synaptic I've already got ALSA installed, though...
[11:15] <Davey> anyone else have issues with the FIrefox mplayer plugin?
[11:16] <Amaranth> Fator_Dee: You didn't know that distributing windows dlls files was illegal? :)
[11:16] <jaysin> Amaranth, thanks :) if i can't view can i install yahoo messenger?
[11:16] <Amaranth> Davey: besides the fact that it sucks?
[11:16] <Fator_Dee> Amaranth: I didn't know w32codecs include windows dlls
[11:16] <Amaranth> jaysin: Does yahoo make messenger for linux? you'd have to install it manually
[11:16] <Fator_Dee> but now I do
[11:17] <Amaranth> Fator_Dee: thus the w32 :)
[11:17] <Fator_Dee> obviously
[11:17] <jaysin> Amaranth, i saw a link for a lunux version on the website... shouldnt that work?
[11:18] <Amaranth> jaysin: it might
[11:18] <ice_1963> well i have the add on lol :o)-
[11:18] <Madpilot> [Chameleon] : have to reboot to see if it works... back in a moment...
[11:18] <Burgundavia> jaysin, does gaim not work for you?
[11:18] <Amaranth> jaysin: but their linux version might not have webcam support either
[11:18] <jaysin> damn... lol
[11:18] <Amaranth> ice_1963: using w32codecs is illegal
[11:18] <dooglus> how can I find which package contains the gnome version of the vlc media player?
[11:18] <Amaranth> dooglus: there is no gnome version, it's just wxvlc
[11:19] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: actually the hoary vlc appears to be gtk2
[11:19] <dooglus> Amaranth: ok.  why are there packages called 'vlc-gnome' and 'gvlc', both devoid of binaries?
[11:19] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: no, it's wxwidgets, wxwidgets uses gtk2
[11:19] <Amaranth> dooglus: read their descriptions
[11:19] <jaysin> Amaranth, how would i try a manual install of yahoo?
[11:19] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: at least it looks like it - ah I see, my bad
[11:20] <dooglus> aah, i see.
[11:20] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: that's why wxwidgets is supposed to be good. on linux it uses gtk2, on windows it uses win32, on OS X it uses carbon
[11:20] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: right I see
[11:20] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, on debian and ubuntu, wxwidgets currently uses gtk1.2
[11:20] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: in breezy and debian, sure
[11:21] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, and hoary
[11:21] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: hoary shipped with wx2.5, which uses gtk2
[11:21] <dooglus> i read on here a few days back that quite a few people reckon vlc is the best.  i find it keeps crashing, the interface is clunky, it doesn't maximize properly, and lots of other problems.  I'm wondering if I might be running a different version?
[11:21] <Amaranth> dooglus: i'm one of the ones that said it was the best :)
[11:21] <Davey> Amaranth: you use FF+TB?
[11:21] <Amaranth> dooglus: the real best is totem, vlc is the best when totem won't play a file
[11:21] <thoreauputic> dooglus: people's mileage seems to vary a lot with media players, I've noticed
[11:21] <Amaranth> Davey: firefox, yeah
[11:22] <Davey> Amaranth: the script in Hoary to pass e-mail address to TB when its running is b0rke, trying to find a fix :/
[11:22] <Amaranth> ?
[11:22] <dooglus> Amaranth: mplayer seems to be pretty good, although it doesn't play well with window managers in my experience
[11:22] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: I find xine-ui more reliable than totem here
[11:22] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: *shudder*
[11:22] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: well, it works for me *g*
[11:23] <thoreauputic> so does xfmedia
[11:23] <slonocode> does anyone have a working wintv card setup for card= and tuner= ?
[11:25] <Davey> HURRAH! I got it!
[11:26] <Madpilot> OK, I'm back; FlightGear now has sound! SAR doesn't but I'll work on it tomorrow...
[11:27] <|Ivancho|> Hi someone has configured vmware lan connection?
[11:28] <dooglus> ggggI tried xfmedia.  it keeps stealing the keyboard focus when it's full-screened, so that's no good to me
[11:32] <MichaelDiederich> g'day
[11:32] <dooglus> g'day
[11:32] <johnnybezak> how can I see if my old ati has 3d support in the free drivers
[11:32] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, SAR?
[11:32] <MichaelDiederich> i just installed sun-j2sdk1.5 but there is no java compailer?
[11:32] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: http://wolfpack.twu.net/SearchAndRescue/
[11:33] <[Chameleon] > Madpilot: congrats!
[11:33] <[Chameleon] > Search and Rescue is fun.
[11:33] <Fator_Dee> what's it like?
[11:33] <Madpilot> [Chameleon] : yes, but right now SAR has no sound, and it isn't talking to my USB joystick! it does look cool, though!
[11:33] <MichaelDiederich> .oO(bbl..)
[11:34] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, it should just work
[11:35] <[Chameleon] > Burgundavia: Hoary just works.
[11:35] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: that's the theory, anyway! SAR is a flight sim, if you didn't follow that URL...
[11:35] <[Chameleon] > Burgundavia: Breezy has a ways to go before it's mature.
[11:35] <Fator_Dee> Burgundavia: breezy *will* work, not just right now
[11:35] <[Chameleon] > yes
[11:35] <Burgundavia> [Chameleon] , I do some devlelopment for Ubnuntu, so I am well aware
[11:35] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: I notice /lastlog seems not to work with the hoary version of Xchat - is this known? Or am I missing a config option or something?
[11:35] <[Chameleon] > Burgundavia: yet you still say it "should just work"?
[11:36] <Burgundavia> [Chameleon] , refering to Madpilot's SAR issue with the joystick
[11:36] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, no idea, file a bug
[11:36] <[Chameleon] > Burgundavia: gotcha.
[11:37] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: heh - i just tried it and it works now (no idea what the probleem was before - so no bug ;)
[11:37] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, works on my version
[11:37] <Madpilot> I'll have to play with jsconfig. the stick was working in earlier...
[11:37] <Burgundavia> just that right-clicking on a link causes the whole program to got down
[11:37] <thoreauputic> yes, it works now - for some odd reason it refused to work las t time I tried it
[11:37] <Burgundavia> very annoying
[11:39] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: that's one advantage to using Opera for IRC as well as browsing - the restore features cover IRC as well as webpages so if Opera crashes everything comes back automagically...
[11:40] <Burgundavia> well I rejoin all my channels with xchat as well
[11:40] <Burgundavia> but I lose all the scrollback
[11:41] <Fator_Dee> Madpilot: irssi doesn't crash :-p
[11:41] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: Ah, same deal w/ Opera. at least we don't have to manually re-connect...
[11:41] <Madpilot> Fator_Dee: what, ever? :)
[11:41] <Fator_Dee> Madpilot: not to me, no
[11:43] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: irssi is a very mature program ...
[11:43] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: it never has temper tantrums *g*
[11:43] <dsd> anyone here who can help me with partitioning for ubuntu im having some major problems, and ive been trying to figure it out for about 3-4 hours now any help would be greatly apperciated
[11:43] <goo> Hello. How do I get KDE 4 for my Ubuntu Hoary?
[11:44] <bob2> goo: #kubuntu
[11:44] <thoreauputic> goo: wait patiently for a release of Ubuntu that includes it ?
[11:44] <bob2> also, kde4 doesn't exist
[11:45] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: good to hear! Opera rarely has tantrums, it just sometimes eats a piece of HTML that disagrees with it... :p
[11:45] <bob2> dsd: it's way better to just ask your question...
[11:45] <Riddell> "Kubuntu releases version with KDE 4 before it even exists"
[11:45] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: I used to use Opera a few years ago - nice browser but FF with extensions does evrything I used to use on Opera so ...
[11:46] <goo> bob2: ok. Thanks - I guess-
[11:46] <bob2> goo: what more do you want? kde4 doesn't exist, anywhere.
[11:46] <Riddell> goo: 3.4.1 is coming out later today/tomorrow, see the kde announcement for how to get it (also kubuntu.org/faq.php)
[11:46] <thoreauputic> Riddell: well, we expect magic from you guys ;-)
[11:47] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: it's funny that irssi is not at version 1.0 yet :-)
[11:47] <dsd> first off, partition magic hangs on a black screen while restarting when i try to resize my windows partition. So in order to solve that problem i tried installing boot magic...but i cant unless i have a partition to begin with, anyways it tried using qtparted using system rescue cd based on a linux, when i tried resizing my windows partition there, it gave me an error about cluster or something
[11:47] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: having fun filling another 500 bug reports? :p
[11:47] <goo> bob2: I meant "Latest development release of KDE" - sorry for being unspecific.
[11:47] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, nah, just convincing people on the forums to do my work for me
[11:47] <dooglus> dsd: I recommend a program called "boot-it ng" if you want to resize a windows partition.  worked a treat for me.  it's "shareware" though
[11:48] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: heheh - I love the conservatism: I have a gtk2 version of Sylpheed that has a version number like 0.9.99-99 :)
[11:48] <Riddell> goo: you have to compile it yourself, I might make SVN packages in future
[11:48] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: stubborn devs :-)
[11:48] <Fator_Dee> "It's not ready yet!"
[11:48] <goo> Riddell: ok, thanks. I'll try kdesvn-build, then.
[11:49] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: "Just *one* more thing to get right, then we go 1.0... honest!" ;)
[11:49] <thoreauputic> heheh
[11:50] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: I have a script for a little timer I wrote with Xdialog - I gave it version 0.0.001 :D
[11:50] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: is that even alpha release :-)
[11:50] <dsd> dooglus, thanks ill try it out and see if it works *Crosses fingers*
[11:51] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: heh - actually it works quite well - maybe I should revise the version number
[11:51] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: "it works, so it's actually 0.0.002"
[11:51] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/Timer_Script.html
[11:51] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: right :)
[11:52] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: actually it is now 0.0.1  (wow!)
[11:54] <Madpilot> gah... is 0255 here, must get some sleep before work @ 0900. later, all...
[12:03] <turf> hi guys! can any one redirect me to a howto-install flash player in a ppc architecture.
[12:03] <bob2> you can't
[12:03] <bob2> yay for proprietary formats
[12:03] <Fator_Dee> yay
[12:03] <bob2> you can use the Free plugin, but it's kinda crap
[12:03] <schasi> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:03] <thoreauputic> hey the poke worked!
[12:03] <schasi> Yep its _crap_
[12:05] <turf> k,thanks!
[12:05] <Fator_Dee> where does bmp save the playlist?
[12:05] <Fator_Dee> I can't see a save playlist option anywhere
[12:06] <bob2> ~/.bmp/ or something, if it's like xmms
[12:06] <bob2> why do people use bmp?
[12:06] <Fator_Dee> yep, seems like it
[12:06] <Choubaka> It's GTK2?
[12:06] <thoreauputic> bob2: it looks nicer
[12:06] <Choubaka> It also doesn't work, but who cares. :D
[12:06] <deFrysk> lol
[12:07] <Fator_Dee> works for me :-p
[12:07] <thoreauputic> bob2: includes a thumbnail display of skins etc
[12:07] <Choubaka> For me it always crashes or abruptly stops playing songs
[12:07] <thoreauputic> Choubaka: it hates you, I guess
[12:07] <Fator_Dee> Choubaka: that happened to me with xmms :-)
[12:07] <thoreauputic> Choubaka: works fine for me ;)
[12:07] <Choubaka> Me neither.
[12:08] <Choubaka> Love the headline: "Pointy knives can kill: official"
[12:08] <dooglus> is 'wine' any good yet?  I've tried it a few times and it has never worked particularly well
[12:09] <thoreauputic> Choubaka: "Your freedom to carry arms is respected: your decision not to use them is appreciated "
[12:09] <thoreauputic> *g*
[12:09] <dooglus> I saw a packet of nuts in the UK with a warning on them saying "warning: may contain nuts or traces of nuts".
[12:09] <Choubaka> \o/
[12:10] <Choubaka> "May contain traces of nuts" is the #adom motto. :D
[12:10] <Fator_Dee> dooglus: :-D
[12:10] <dooglus> Choubaka: adom like the nethack-type game?
[12:10] <Choubaka> Yes.
[12:10] <dooglus> haven't played that for 10 years I'd guess
[12:10] <Choubaka> Is ADOM even that old? :|
[12:11] <dooglus> maybe not - I'm not sure.
[12:11] <sbrik> ciao a tutti
[12:11] <Choubaka> nethack is I guess.
[12:11] <Choubaka> sbrik: English.
[12:11] <Fator_Dee> nethack is old
[12:11] <dooglus> nethack was recently 25, wasn't it?
[12:11] <Fator_Dee> adom might be like, 5 or something
[12:11] <Choubaka> it's older I think
[12:11] <Fator_Dee> not ten years though
[12:12] <Choubaka> ADOM also owns nethack. This is my entirely biased opinion
[12:12] <difficult> Hi, I'm trying to setup ip-up,d scripts however they don't seem to run when my connection starts. if I do pon connection_name then should the script be /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/connection_name with permissions 755 ?
[12:13] <Choubaka> Oh, ADOM was started on 1994
[12:14] <Fator_Dee> oh
[12:15] <KusursuZ> Free Video --> www.aysu.gen.ms
[12:15] <Fator_Dee> time goes fast :-\
[12:15] <Choubaka> First public version was 0.7.0 though.
[12:15] -KusursuZ:#ubuntu- Free Video --> www.aysu.gen.ms
[12:15] <Choubaka> Yay, spammers.
[12:15] <rg58sma> hi
[12:15] <rg58sma> someone
[12:16] <rg58sma> knows
[12:16] <Choubaka> speak longer lines please. .)
[12:16] <schasi> how
[12:16] <schasi> to
[12:16] <schasi> speak
[12:16] <schasi> longer lines?
[12:16] <Choubaka> :P
[12:16] <rg58sma> how to install the desktop and the things of art.gnome.org
[12:16] <dooglus> I think I played it in 1996.
[12:16] <Choubaka> You should try it again :P
[12:16] <thoreauputic> rg58sma: your enter key is not a substitute for punctuation
[12:16] <Choubaka> 1.0.0 is the best version IMHO
[12:17] <dooglus> I never really got on with it - nethack's my game
[12:17] <p88> hi are there vmware users here?
[12:18] <schasi> perhaps
[12:18] <Choubaka> Nethack is boring with no wilderness.
[12:18] <pschulz01> bochs
[12:18] <Choubaka> :D
[12:18] <rg58sma> ok
[12:18] <p88> I'd like to know whether I can set an option to vmware so that my disks are read only in the sense that everything that is written to the disk during a session is discarded at reboot?
[12:18] <Choubaka> pschulz01: bochs is really slow.
[12:18] <pschulz01> yeh..
[12:19] <Choubaka> p88: You should consult vmware documentation :/
[12:19] <pschulz01> p88: search for 'cow' (copy on write)
[12:19] <p88> I have been consulting the docs quite a lot
[12:19] <p88> qemu does "cow"
[12:19] <david_> hey.. how can i mount an NTFS partition on this SATA drive?
[12:19] <thoreauputic> pschulz01: ah, in the grand tradition of "cat"
[12:19] <pschulz01> p88: so does user-mode-linux
[12:20] -KusursuZ:#ubuntu- Free Video --> www.aysu.gen.ms
[12:20] -KusursuZ:#ubuntu- Free Video --> www.aysu.gen.ms
[12:20] -KusursuZ:#ubuntu- Free Video --> www.aysu.gen.ms
[12:20] -KusursuZ:#ubuntu- Free Video --> www.aysu.gen.ms
[12:20] <Fator_Dee> david_: www.ubuntuguide.org search there for "ntfs"
[12:20] <thoreauputic> david_: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/foo /mnt/point ?
[12:20] <Fator_Dee> :-|
[12:20] <Fator_Dee> flood & exit
[12:20] <p88> killall -9 spammers
[12:20] <thoreauputic> hmm... doesn't work unfortunately
[12:21] <p88> -9
[12:21] <p88> SIGKILL :D
[12:21] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: you don't got root to irc
[12:21] <p88> KILL them all
[12:21] <thoreauputic> killall -KILL
[12:21] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: rats :(
[12:21] <p88> yes
[12:21] <nagesh> I made entry in /etc/fstab to mount  windows drive when linux starts up
[12:22] <IIIEars> Is there a quick fix to restore open apps to the task bar?
[12:22] <david_> how can i see the partitions on the disk?
[12:22] <IIIEars> The open icons for apps are missing.
[12:22] <thoreauputic> david_: sudo fdisk -l
[12:22] <nagesh> i am able to see the contents of the windows drive but when I click on it the content disappears
[12:22] <nagesh> can any one help me
[12:23] <david_> ahh
[12:23] <david_> /dev/sda5            7754       15485    62107258+   b  W95 FAT32
[12:23] <david_> thats what i need to mount
[12:23] <david_> or auto mount
[12:23] <david_> every boot
[12:23] <thoreauputic> david_: then use -t vfat
[12:24] <nagesh> david_, Can you help me
[12:24] <IIIEars> i am curious about auto mounting. if ntfs were mounted writable and the driver wasn't able to write to it.would it disappear when you clicked on content?
[12:24] <nagesh> IIIEars, yes
[12:25] <IIIEars> that was just a question from a newb - never mind
[12:25] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: you have to stop this right -click habit *grin*
[12:26] <david_> root@ubuntu:/home/david # sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda5 /mnt/fat
[12:26] <david_> mount: mount point /mnt/fat does not exist
[12:26] <thoreauputic> david_: sudo mkdir /mnt/fat
[12:26] <Fator_Dee> mmmm. coffeee...
[12:26] <david_> right
[12:26] <david_> i think its mounted
[12:27] <thoreauputic> david_: it nedds to *be* there - unless you believe in magic ;-)
[12:27] <thoreauputic> *needs
[12:27] <IIIEars> << Doritos and pepsi fuel for the computer addicted.
[12:27] <david_> yup its worked
[12:27] <Fator_Dee> IIIEars: heretic :-\
[12:27] <javinux> Someone knows how to install kguitar on ubuntu with gnome desktop?
[12:28] <pepsi> IIIEars, hi
[12:28] <IIIEars> I dunno cool ranch flavor is pretty good.
[12:29] <IIIEars> lol - gotta drink coke. pepsi just teases the poor guy.
[12:29] <nate__> n00bs
[12:29] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, it is very bad
[12:30] <nate__> coke is bad
[12:30] <nate__> pepsi is good
[12:30] <nate__> pepsi > coke
[12:30] <IIIEars> pepsi - Will the word "Pepsi" send you a beep also?
[12:30] <nate__> ha
[12:30] <pepsi> :(
[12:30] <pepsi> you guys are mean
[12:30] <podge> thoreauputic, Does Ubuntu detect a Windows partition during the install and setup your fstab appropriately?
[12:30] <david_> hmm i need an MP3 plug in to play MP3?
[12:30] <david_> whats it called in Synaptic?
[12:30] <nate__> i seriously like pepsi more than coke
[12:31] <thoreauputic> podge: it didn't for me :(
[12:31] <nate__> i'm drinking one right now
[12:31] <podge> I thought you would be drinking V or Red Bull.. or is that only for Web programmers?
[12:31] <IIIEars> okay - I'll be more careful with spelling.
[12:31] <nate__> just ran outta a 24-pack
[12:31] <thoreauputic> podge: it detects it and adds it to grub, but not fstab
[12:31] <podge> thoreauputic, Would be a handy feature.. Slackware 10.1 did in no problems.. mounted on /windows without me doing anything..
[12:32] <thoreauputic> podge: I agree - don't know why Ubuntu doesn't do it, frankly
[12:32] <podge> thoreauputic, yeah I noticed the grub config changes..
[12:32] <nate__> its weird, if I run konversation, suddenly in xfce my background dissapears and I can't bring up the right-click start-menu
[12:32] <IIIEars> Faxes nate_ a "flat" Pepsi-
[12:32] <david_> whats the MP3 plug in package name?
[12:32] <nate__> but if i don't, everything works great
[12:32] <nate__> IIIEars, ewww
[12:33] <podge> thoreauputic, I guess the installer needs to be changed.. time to get on to the Ubuntu dev lists..
[12:33] <thoreauputic> david_: for which player?
[12:33] <mz2> is breezy worth trying yet?
[12:33] <david_> rythmbox
[12:33] <nate__> IIIEars, never speak such things in my presence
[12:33] <nate__> ;P
[12:33] <Fator_Dee> mz2: not for the faint of heart
[12:33] <thoreauputic> mz2: no - see /topic
[12:33] <javinux> Someone knows how to install kguitar on ubuntu with gnome desktop?
[12:33] <pepsi> hey hey... shhhhhhhh
[12:33] <mz2> thoreauputic, ha, ok
[12:33] <thoreauputic> david_:  gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:33] <nate__> The Italian Job is on tv right now
[12:33] <jacquesmerde> what package do i have to install to get ogg123, oggdec, etc..?
[12:33] <david_> ok thanks
[12:33] <nate__> channel 615
[12:34] <nate__> you know you're all turnin to it
[12:34] <david_> hmm cant see it
[12:34] <david_> do i need universe?
[12:34] <pepsi> whats channel 615?
[12:34] <nate__> no, just pick up the tv control
[12:35] <nate__> 615 = Showtime Extreme
[12:35] <podge> javinux : I am just having a look at what kguitar is..
[12:36] <david_> do i need universe for gstreamer08mad?
[12:36] <Fator_Dee> david_: if it doesn't show up, yes
[12:36] <Fator_Dee> david_: and make sure you search with the proper name
[12:36] <david_> how can i add universe?
[12:37] <thoreauputic> david_: and it's gstreamer0.8-mad ( take care with the - ) :)
[12:37] <Fator_Dee> david_: from the repository dialog in synaptic
[12:37] <NicP> have a look at ubuntuguide
[12:37] <IIIEars> sorry nate_ can't working on a high score for "Super Turbo Turkey Puncher 3" got 100k - lol
[12:37] <IIIEars> Doom3 is amazing.
[12:37] <podge> javinux, What did you try so far?
[12:38] <thoreauputic> david_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:38] <javinux> i tried to install with alien, to get a .deb from the rpm file
[12:38] <IIIEars> <saves link>
[12:39] <podge> javinux, I really need to load Ubuntu on my laptop.. That way I could try it right now.. :(
[12:39] <mvlinux> hi all
[12:39] <podge> javinux, Did you get error messages?
[12:39] <javinux> I also try to compile kguitar, but I get an error when I try to use "make"
[12:39] <david_> ok sweet.. ive got MP3
[12:39] <david_> one last Q... how can u get Enlightenment 17?
[12:39] <mvlinux> somen here gived me anice page in ubuntu web site but i lost it any one hav a link ?
[12:40] <holycow> lol
[12:40] <javinux> installin with the .deb from alien, I get this message: Kguitar Kpart not found. Check your instalation
[12:40] <podge> javinux, You need to have QT and KDE libs installed on your system, at least..
[12:40] <holycow> nope
[12:40] <javinux> yes, of course
[12:40] <holycow> mvlinux, reading minds is not our strong point
[12:40] <holycow> :)
[12:40] <thoreauputic> david_: you'll have to google that one: it isn't in the repos
[12:40] <podge> javinux, So I can assume you have these loaded? :)
[12:40] <Fator_Dee> mvlinux: ubuntuguide.org perhaps?
[12:41] <javinux> when i try to compile, I don't have any error when I do the configure script
[12:41] <mvlinux> Fator_Dee, aha may i will try thes :)
[12:42] <podge> javinux, What compile errors do you get?
[12:42] <mvlinux> Fator_Dee, yes thes is the page i'm looking for thanx a loot :)
[12:43] <javinux> I says me that there was a problem with the make file, because some variable or something like that
[12:44] <podge> javinux, I will boot up my desktop computer and give it a look..
[12:44] <javinux> ok thanks
[12:45] <podge> thoreauputic, So when do you sleep? :)
[12:45] <thoreauputic> podge: sleep is overrated ;)
[12:46] <Shufla> hello
[12:46] <IIIEars> Can anyone recommend an inexpensive wireless laptop? good site for them? (linux of course)
[12:46] <thoreauputic> podge: actually I'm a bot
[12:47] <IIIEars> Guru bot 2.0
[12:47] <javinux> IIIEars, I have a Toshiba satellite A50 laptop, fully compatible with linux
[12:47] <IIIEars> Good start Thank You. :)
[12:47] <podge> thoreauputic, best Eliza program I've ever seen!
[12:48] <thoreauputic> podge: hahah
[12:48] <IIIEars> lol
[12:48] <mof> IIIEars: TARGA
[12:48] <thoreauputic> podge: Is it because of your life that you say " So when do you sleep? :) "  ?
[12:48] <nagesh> how can I view windows partitions in linux
[12:48] <nagesh> can anyone help me
[12:48] <GNAM> with a program that I don't remember
[12:49] <raghu> nagesh: beside you there is one windows machine switch on...hahah
[12:49] <GNAM> ah n
[12:49] <GNAM> auudaausuas
[12:49] <GNAM> i've undestand inverse
[12:49] <GNAM> windows partition in linux?
[12:49] <nate__> i wish there was an easier way to get the path of a file in rox
[12:49] <GNAM> edit fstab
[12:49] <nate__> so annoying
[12:49] <GNAM> look at ubuntuguide.org
[12:49] <mof> nagesh: mount them
[12:50] <rg58sma> hi someone knows Ip program to networks??
[12:50] <rg58sma> my english sucks
[12:50] <nate__> i see
[12:50] <rg58sma> but is mine
[12:50] <NicP> ip program to networks makes no sense
[12:51] <NicP> please rephrase the question
[12:51] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hmmm konqueror keeps crashing for some reason
[12:51] <rg58sma> program to get ip from networks
[12:51] <nagesh> raghu, Thank u
[12:52] <thoreauputic> rg58sma: ifconfig perhaps?
[12:52] <nagesh> mof, I did entry in /etc/fstab
[12:52] <mof> thoreauputic: he means from other machines maybe
[12:52] <rg58sma> for all ip of the nets
[12:52] <thoreauputic> mof: hard to tell...
[12:52] <dooglus> how easy is it to change ubuntu so that runlevel 2 doesn't run gdm, but runlevel 3 does?
[12:52] <nate__> rg58sma, sudo ifconfig
[12:52] <NicP> ethereal maybe?
[12:53] <mof> nagesh: did you create a mountpoint for it
[12:53] <nagesh> mof, I am able to see the content of a windows drive but when I click on it it disappears
[12:53] <NicP> i dont really understand which ip you want
[12:53] <mof> eg /mnt/windows
[12:53] <nagesh> yes
[12:53] <nagesh> mof, yes
[12:53] <rg58sma> no
[12:53] <rg58sma> no my ip
[12:53] <mof> and you mount it to this
[12:53] <rg58sma> the all ip of the nets
[12:53] <rg58sma> net
[12:53] <nate__> rg58sma, sudo ifconfig
[12:54] <rg58sma> jajjaaa
[12:54] <rg58sma> are you crazy or madness
[12:54] <nate__> lol!
[12:54] <nagesh> mof, the content of the window partition appears like a file
[12:54] <ford41CT> I shrank my panel, and i don't know how to get it back to its previous state where it spanned the left side to the right. There's nowhere to click in the panel with which i can go to "properties". help
[12:54] <NicP> i dont understand what you mean by "the net"
[12:54] <thoreauputic> rg58sma: we are trying to understand your fractured english, sorry
[12:54] <rg58sma> my networks
[12:54] <mof> nagesh: show the fstab line
[12:54] <rg58sma> jajaja
[12:54] <rg58sma> ok
[12:54] <nate__> rg58sma, sudo nslookup <domain-name>
[12:55] <IIIEars> Ugh - "Windows Tax" - :/
[12:55] <podge> javinux, So give me a quick hint.. What are the apt-get lines for QT and KDE libs?
[12:55] <rg58sma> a program to search all ip
[12:55] <nate__> rg58sma, nessus
[12:55] <rg58sma> of my networks
[12:55] <nagesh> mof, /dev/hda5       /mnt/windows          vfat    auto        0       0
[12:55] <thoreauputic> rg58sma: host, nslookup, dig
[12:55] <aburlet> why setting my timezone to GMT+2 SUBSTRACTS 2 hours from UTC ???
[12:55] <yahalom> how do i remove entries from my gnome menu?
[12:55] <mof> nagesh: append after auto 'defaults'
[12:56] <javinux> podge, wait a minute please
[12:56] <mof> separeted by komma
[12:56] <nate__> rg58sma, nessus is a wicked program though man, not sure if its technically legal to use outside of a lab environment
[12:56] <thoreauputic> nagesh: try putting " auto, umask=0000 "
[12:56] <Musagetes> Has anyone experienced ubuntu not wanting to mount USB devices automatically? I've tried plugging my mp3 player in, and it shows with 'usbview', but the drive doesn't appear anywhere.
[12:56] <nagesh> mof, ok i will try
[12:57] <jacquesmerde> ggrrrrrrr...all the panel apps that dont seem to play well with panel transparency are copyright by redhat.....grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!
[12:57] <mof> default or like thoreauputic umask=0000
[12:57] <Fator_Dee> nate__: you could use it to examine your own servers
[12:57] <nate__> Musagetes, did your mp3 player require special software to access it under windows?
[12:57] <nate__> Fator_Dee, yeah, true :)
[12:58] <nate__> Fator_Dee, but there are legal issues surrounding security programs like nessus, i just wanted to make him aware of it
[12:58] <Musagetes> nate__: It required a driver in Windows, but I had the impression that wasn't necessary in linux. :(
[12:58] <thoreauputic> nagesh: make sure there are no spaces, just commas
[12:58] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hey Fator_Dee
[12:58] <nate__> Musagetes, Could you access it like it was a hard drive in windows?
[12:58] <Musagetes> Yes
[12:58] <rg58sma> no
[12:58] <Fator_Dee> hey Pop_pa_FrEaK
[12:59] <javinux> podge, libqt3-mt-dev, libqt3-headers, kdebase, I think that's all
[12:59] <nate__> Musagetes, hmm, interesting, i have no idea then, sorry
[12:59] <joh_> Why isnt there a desktop-calendar for May?
[12:59] <nagesh> thoreauputic, ok
[12:59] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> trying to figure out why konqueror keeps crashing when ever I try to delete something
[12:59] <rg58sma> i need other
[12:59] <thoreauputic> joh_: good question :)
[12:59] <nate__> Musagetes, are other usb devices recognized?  Can you try a thumb drive or something?
[12:59] <mof> Musagetes: edit the fstab like /dev/hde1 /mnt/stick vfat defaults
[01:00] <Musagetes> I got an old digital cam I can try plugging in. :)
[01:00] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: you could try to start konqueror from a terminal and look at what the output says when it crashes
[01:00] <joh_> thoreauputic: I really love the april one, but my desktop could need some change :)
[01:00] <nate__> rg58sma, nmap
[01:01] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: or there could be something in ~/.xsession-errors
[01:01] <joh_> is it rude to fill in a bug report for missing May calendar?
[01:01] <nate__> I need to call my lawyer to find out more about legal issues and security programs
[01:01] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: or other logs, /var/log/
[01:01] <podge> javinux, Thanks!
[01:01] <Musagetes> mof: So I just copy what you wrote and paste it into my fstab?
[01:01] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> yea I get a bunch of errors
[01:01] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> brb
[01:02] <sam_> hi
[01:02] <thoreauputic> joh_: heh - do it anyway ;)
[01:02] <sam_> hi
[01:02] <Fator_Dee> it's still May though
[01:02] <Fator_Dee> it might come in time
[01:02] <sam_> my first time here
[01:02] <podge> javinux, 35 meg.. ouch!!
[01:02] <rg58sma> here i found you
[01:02] <nagesh> thoreauputic, the type vfat is correct
[01:02] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> Fator_Dee, want me to paste in #flood
[01:02] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ?
[01:02] <thoreauputic> sam_: welcome to our world ;)
[01:02] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: I prefer pastebin
[01:02] <nagesh> thoreauputic, the type vfat is correct
[01:02] <sam_> thanks
[01:03] <javinux> podge, yes, it's hard xD
[01:03] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> www.pastebin.org ?
[01:03] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: eee.pastebin.com
[01:03] <thoreauputic> nagesh: yes, if your win partition uses fat32
[01:03] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: *www
[01:03] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ahh
[01:03] <nagesh> thoreauputic, yes it is a fat32
[01:03] <sam_> ne1 from the uk?
[01:03] <rg58sma> no ports, only IP
[01:03] <rg58sma> of
[01:03] <rg58sma> ok
[01:03] <rg58sma> fucks
[01:03] <nagesh> thoreauputic, I want to make a user as a admin
[01:04] <nagesh> thoreauputic, how can I
[01:04] <thoreauputic> nagesh: you mean you want a user to have sudo powers?
[01:04] <mof> Musagetes: watch sudo /tail -f /var/log/messages if you connect your player und look up for devices like hde or sda
[01:04] <podge> javinux, Almost there.. the install CD is coming in handy!
[01:04] <nagesh> thoreauputic, yes
[01:05] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> http://pastebin.com/292096  here ya go Fator_Dee
[01:05] <thoreauputic> nagesh: man sudo, and use visudo to edit /etc/sudoers - or when you make the new user add him/her to the adm group
[01:05] <rg58sma> fucks
[01:06] <thoreauputic> rg58sma: umm... language please
[01:06] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: ahhummm...
[01:06] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> bbiab give me 10 minutes
[01:06] <mof> Musagetes: fstabline : first create a mountpoint eg /mnt/player then /dev/hde1 or sda1 /mnt/player vfat auto,defaults 0 0
[01:06] <rg58sma> ok
[01:06] <rg58sma> i sorry
[01:06] <nagesh> thoreauputic, add users and groups
[01:06] <Musagetes> mof: There's one here: "May 30 13:04:16 localhost kernel: SCSI device sda: 499712 512-byte hdwr sectors (256 MB)"
[01:06] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> what Fator_Dee ?
[01:06] <nagesh> thoreauputic, /dev/hda5       /mnt/windows          vfat    auto,umask=0000        0       0
[01:07] <mof> Musagetes: then sda or sda1 , try wich
[01:07] <nagesh> thoreauputic, is this is o
[01:07] <nagesh> thoreauputic, ok
[01:07] <thoreauputic> nagesh: looks OK - does it work?
[01:07] <mof> nagesh: ok
[01:07] <javinux> podge, the install cd?
[01:07] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: well, it seems that everything is not ok, might be better to ask in #kubuntu
[01:08] <mof> bbl - installing ubuntu64
[01:08] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: this goes over my skills :-\
[01:08] <thrope> hi - i just installed but there is a problem with X - the picture is very grainy, all sort of hatched... as if its the wrong resolution or somethin (but it isnt)
[01:08] <nagesh> thoreauputic, i didnt tested yet
[01:08] <thrope> this is on a toshiba laptop with nvidia
[01:08] <thrope> any ideaas?
[01:08] <thrope> i tried the binary nvidia driver but that doesnt work at al
[01:09] <thrope> (X never comes back)
[01:09] <podge> javinux, Yeah the Ubuntu 5.04 install CD..
[01:09] <thoreauputic> ford41CT: why are you ctcp ing me?
[01:09] <ford41CT> thoreauputic, oops, just playing around with xchat.
[01:09] <thoreauputic> ford41CT: OK
[01:09] <ford41CT> i don't even know what ctcp is.
[01:09] <NicP> lol
[01:09] <rg58sma> hi a program to download hotmail mails?
[01:09] <rg58sma> please
[01:10] <rg58sma> quickly
[01:10] <thoreauputic> ford41CT: client to client protocol
[01:10] <podge> javinux, Okay.. I have all that stuff installed.. Now I will try kguitar..
[01:10] <NicP> www.mozilla.com
[01:10] <NicP> ;)
[01:10] <javinux> podge, do you say kguitar will go in the ubuntu hoary proximately?
[01:10] <ford41CT> thoreauputic, how come nothing happened with that last ctcp command?
[01:10] <podge> javinux, I don't understand..
[01:10] <thrope> rg58sma: you can't as far as i know... microsoft stopped external collection
[01:10] <thoreauputic> ford41CT: because I have no user info?
[01:10] <rg58sma> what
[01:11] <podge> javinux, I also need a compiler.. :)
[01:11] <thrope> nvidianvidia
[01:11] <thrope> apologies - wrong keyboard
[01:12] <javinux> podge, it's true, you can install build-essential, tools for compiling programns
[01:12] <thoreauputic> ford41CT: stop it please - experiment on your own nick if you must
[01:13] <rg58sma> what????
[01:13] <rg58sma> hi a program to download hotmail mails?
[01:14] <Fator_Dee> rg58sma: it might *not* be possible because of microsofts policy
[01:14] <thrope> rg58sma: as far as i know its not possible - i used to collect them with pop3 but microsoft stopped all external collection on free accounts
[01:14] <podge> javinux, Have you been able to compile anything on your machine?
[01:14] <thrope> rg58sma: you might find a script somewhere to do it
[01:14] <IIIEars> Will lspci -vvv give me info on any installed wireless card?
[01:15] <rg58sma> ok thanks
[01:15] <rg58sma> but you can download the mails???
[01:15] <thoreauputic> podge: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:16] <podge> thoreauputic, Yeah.. I got those but I am getting a stupid error from GCC even when I try to compile hello world..
[01:16] <thrope> rg58sma: you can downlaod them from the web
[01:16] <thrope> rg58sma: but not from a sepearte program, as far as i know
[01:16] <javinux> podge, Truly I only have tried to compile kguitar
[01:16] <podge> thoreauputic, Working on it.. I don't think I have the latest binutils..
[01:16] <thoreauputic> podge: how long since your last apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[01:16] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - Sorry i ask so many questions and have so few answers. (5th week with linux)
[01:17] <javinux> podge, but the configure script doesn't get me any error
[01:17] <thoreauputic> podge: there was a binutils issue a few days ago
[01:17] <podge> thoreauputic, Running it as we speak.. :)
[01:17] <podge> javinux, Still working on kguitar..
[01:17] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: why are you apologising? You have more clues than most beginners
[01:18] <rg58sma> howto run grub-images
[01:18] <bigfoot> action help
[01:18] <rg58sma> or search
[01:18] <IIIEars> Thanks. :) - It'll get better i promise.
[01:18] <podge> thoreauputic, Are you saying I shouldn't get the latest? Or that I should?
[01:18] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: lspci -vvv | less migh tbe easier to read
[01:19] <thoreauputic> podge: you should
[01:19] <IIIEars> Ah - Okay. Thank You.
[01:19] <thoreauputic> podge: I believe it was fixed
[01:19] <bigfoot> does anyone have experience working with Pan newsreader... getting binaries that span more than one message?
[01:19] <bob2> er, binutils in hoary isn't broken
[01:19] <podge> thoreauputic, Cool.. pumping the 1.5 adsl..
[01:19] <thoreauputic> bob2: not now - it was a few days ago
[01:22] <bigfoot> anybody here uses usenet/newsgroups?
[01:23] <podge> thoreauputic, Working now.. thanks!!
[01:23] <rg58sma> howto run grub-images
[01:23] <rg58sma> or search
[01:23] <thoreauputic> podge: you're welcome :)
[01:23] <rg58sma> i installed a grub-spashimages
[01:24] <rg58sma> where i foun??
[01:25] <thoreauputic> rg58sma: what is your native language? And why are you running as root?
[01:26] <podge> javinux, kde headers?
[01:26] <thoreauputic> rg58sma: I suggest you *NOT* use IRC as root
[01:26] <spanglesontoast> how come I cannot do sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/legacy_va_layout
[01:26] <spanglesontoast> ?
[01:27] <hideseek> i did a "/gui hide" and i don't know where my xchat window went or how to make it reappear.
[01:27] <rg58sma> how yoy know what ima root??
[01:27] <Fator_Dee> rg58sma: /wii rg58sma
[01:27] <thoreauputic> rg58sma: jst fix it: log in as a user, please
[01:27] <thoreauputic> *just
[01:28] <[Spooky] > God morning all :)
[01:28] <pepsi> ahhhh!
[01:28] <pepsi> scary
[01:28] <[Spooky] > pepsi: /gui unhide ?
[01:28] <maxyvits> Hi Guys!
[01:28] <pepsi> no, [Spooky] 
[01:29] <[Spooky] > pepsi: /gui show ?
[01:29] <maxyvits> When I save stuff to my desktop I can no longer see it (on my desktop)
[01:29] <maxyvits> I have to open the folder.
[01:29] <spanglesontoast> can anyone help me with installing counter strike source on Ubuntu
[01:29] <hideseek> [Spooky] , nope,  "unhide" does't work.
[01:29] <Fator_Dee> hideseek: /gui show
[01:29] <Fator_Dee> hideseek: /help "command" is your friend
[01:30] <Fator_Dee> hideseek: eg, /help gui
[01:30] <mez> I know this aint the kubuntu chan
[01:30] <snowseal> how can i disable the bios check at startup? it takes too long, and is unneeded
[01:30] <fabs> guys, why my Flash plug-in si not working anymore!! I open FireFox and on a webpage with flash on it, it just says, plugin failed to initialize...
[01:30] <mez> but anyone got any experience with arstdsp[
[01:30] <podge> javinux, I need to install the KDE devel libs/headers..
[01:30] <mez> It's segfaulting
[01:30] <mez> mez@apathy:~$ artsdsp audacity
[01:30] <mez> Segmentation fault
[01:30] <podge> javinux, Which I am doing at the moment..
[01:30] <hideseek> Fator_Dee, "/gui show", though a command,  doesn't do anything  either. I opened up another xchat window to communicate here, but can't get back the original xchat window.
[01:31] <maxyvits> Is there a way I can enable ubuntu to show files on the desktop?
[01:31] <hideseek> Fator_Dee, help of gui is "GUI [SHOW|HIDE|FOCUS|FLASH|ICONIFY|COLOR <n>] "
[01:31] <Fator_Dee> hideseek: hmmm, I'm trying to solve it
[01:31] <medkit> hi all
[01:32] <Fator_Dee> hideseek: but I don't know what the xchat devs were thinking when they made this command
[01:32] <thoreauputic> rg58sma: stop it please
[01:32] <hideseek> Fator_Dee, same here. 8-)
[01:32] <javinux> podge, ok, it's true, I forget tell you that
[01:32] <rg58sma> what are they do
[01:32] <fabs> problem with flash pug-in here
[01:33] <mez> fabs
[01:33] <mez> what problems?
[01:33] <hideseek> help
[01:33] <maxyvits> No help for desktop? :(
[01:33] <hideseek> maxyvits, just put your stuff onto your desktop.
[01:33] <snowseal> how can i disable the bios integrity check at startup? it takes too long, and is unneeded
[01:33] <bob2> ram check?
[01:33] <maxyvits> hideseek, when I do it doesn't show
[01:33] <bob2> configure your bios not to do it
[01:34] <podge> javinux, Do you get QVector errors?
[01:34] <fabs> mez,  I open FireFox and on a webpage with flash on it, it just says, plugin failed to initialize... and it just shows a grey bit
[01:34] <snowseal> its not bios, its part of ubuntu
[01:34] <bob2> er
[01:34] <mez> what did you try and install
[01:34] <bob2> when does ubuntu run a "bios integrity check"?
[01:34] <javinux> podge, no, i dont
[01:35] <snowseal> when i choose to boot ubuntu in the lilo bootloader
[01:35] <mez> fabs, what did you ty and install
[01:35] <javinux> podge, are you trying to configure kguitar?
[01:35] <bob2> snowseal: why are you using lilo at all?
[01:35] <snowseal> it says starting linux.............
[01:35] <snowseal> then 50 dots
[01:35] <podge> javinux, It configured.. now I am trying to compile..
[01:35] <maxyvits> I guess I'll try to figure that one out on my own.
[01:35] <fabs> mez, well the last thing I installed was vb6 on CrossOver
[01:35] <snowseal> bob2,  i didnt have the choise
[01:35] <bob2> snowseal: yes, it's loading the initrd
[01:36] <bob2> snowseal: no, by default it uses grub
[01:36] <javinux> podge, you get qtvector errors when make?
[01:36] <fabs> mez, it done something about Java I think but not Flash...
[01:36] <maxyvits> Ok then, how can I get quicktime working. I installed it through synaptic but it doesn't play quicktime files.
[01:36] <mez> fabs, no i mean what flash package did you isntall
[01:36] <fabs> mez, oh the one found on synaptic, but till now it was working great
[01:36] <snowseal> bob i installed linux on bad partition. removed the partition and reinstalled it. second time ubuntu chose to use lilo
[01:37] <bob2> I don't know how that could possibly happen
[01:37] <fabs> mez, flashplayermozilla 7.0.25.0.0
[01:37] <bob2> and it's not doing a "bios integrity check" when it's printing dots
[01:37] <bob2> that's loading the kernel or initrd from the disk
[01:37] <mez> fabs, dont use that
[01:37] <dooglus> rg58sma: I just noticed that every time I boot, it tells me "IRQ 6 doesn't match PIRQ mask - try pci=usepircmask"
[01:37] <dooglus> any idea where I should "try" that?
[01:38] <mez> fabs, uninstall that adn use flashplugin-nonfree
[01:38] <mez> it works perfectly
[01:38] <snowseal> ok, the bios thing is just hte first thing it does after the kernel loads.
[01:38] <fabs> mez, :) oh cool, does it install automatically?
[01:38] <snowseal> man it loads really slow. :( have to live with it.
[01:38] <dooglus> the code is in /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/pci/irq.c
[01:38] <bob2> snowseal: what does it say when doing this?
[01:38] <[Spooky] > hm i realy have big problems with my Phyton-glade2 :/ i cant install it and when un-installing it so do other prorams to...
[01:38] <javinux> podge, you can install this .deb made with alien, if you want to see if you get an error
[01:39] <[Spooky] > *programs
[01:39] <maxyvits> Can someone help me to get quicktime working?
[01:39] <bob2> maxyvits: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:39] <Echelon-H> good afternoon :D
[01:39] <bob2> maxyvits: install w32codecs
[01:39] <bigfoot> do we have any PAN users here?
[01:39] <mez> fabs, I tried everything... but if you do a sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree then it works properly (need to add multiverse though)
[01:39] <maxyvits> bob2, via synaptic?
[01:39] <nayif> i like to read every day news about ubuntu ,is there a place like that like "gnome footnotes" for ubuntu "i knew about planet"?
[01:39] <bob2> bigfoot: if you want to dowonload warez from usenet, pan is not the tool to be using
[01:40] <bob2> nayif: not yet, hopefully soon
[01:40] <thoreauputic> maxy_noob: read the URL he gave you
[01:40] <fabs> mez, oh that's great, hmmm where do I get the full multiverse string
[01:40] <thoreauputic> oops
[01:40] <thoreauputic> maxyvits: read the URL he gave you
[01:40] <bigfoot> i don't want to download warez, bob2.
[01:40] <maxyvits> ok
[01:40] <fabs> mez, because the nonfree one is also on my Synaptic
[01:40] <nayif> bob2, thanks and am glad to see that soon :)
[01:40] <bigfoot> i'd like to know how to get a cut-up binary, bob2
[01:41] <fabs> mez, oh it seems to be installing via synaptic
[01:41] <mez> if it's inm your synapic, then thats cool
[01:41] <bigfoot> bob2, who needs warez anyway. everything in linux is free, isn't it?
[01:41] <fabs> mez, but it told me it needs libruby, so its downloading it too :)
[01:41] <mez> make sure you uninstall the others (and libflash0 if you have it)
[01:42] <fabs> mez, sure done it, oh I hope it works!
[01:42] <fabs> mez, right, installed, now I am gonna try it
[01:42] <[Spooky] > bigfoot: not everything
[01:42] <dooglus> anyone?  where should I "try pci=usepircmask"?
[01:42] <mez> fabs, make sure you exit all vesiond of firefox first
[01:42] <bigfoot> bob2, but if warez and binary mean the same thing for our purpose (i.e. pan isn't good for binaries), what do you recommend
[01:43] <bigfoot> ?
[01:43] <bigfoot> [Spooky] , what's not included?
[01:44] <fabs> mez, uhhmm :\ same, the plugin initialization failed, Reload the page and try again
[01:44] <mez> weird
[01:44] <Jack_Bristow> Does the latest Ubuntu linux support ich6 sound?
[01:44] <mez> did you try a manual install
[01:45] <[Spooky] > bigfoot: no pm please...
[01:45] <fabs> mez, dunno how to do it, I am quite new on here
[01:45] <mez> *shrugs* I dont know then
[01:45] <mez> poest on the forums
[01:45] <mez> http://www.ubuntuforums.or
[01:45] <mez> http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[01:45] <fabs> mez, but I think was the stupid vb6 I installed yesterday
[01:45] <bigfoot> [Spooky] , ok. how did you make it 'internic"?
[01:46] <mez> lol ... possibly ;)
[01:46] <[Spooky] > bigfoot: i dunno
[01:46] <fabs> mez, thanks a lot but when I finish working with it I will unistall VB6
[01:46] <fabs> mez, really thank you :)
[01:46] <bigfoot> [Spooky] , really?
[01:47] <podge> javinux, Also needed the qt compat headers..
[01:47] <[Spooky] > bigfoot: what are you talking about btw ?
[01:47] <bigfoot> [Spooky] , i'm talking about your country information.
[01:48] <javinux> podge, mmm it's cool, I didn't have it installed, thanks
[01:48] <Jack_Bristow> I have an Asus 915P and everything except sound works!.  Has anyone had any success with this motherboard chipset?
[01:48] <javinux> podge, could you now compile it?
[01:49] <podge> javinux, libqt3-compat-headers
[01:49] <podge> javinux, Compile is working so far..
[01:50] <[Spooky] > bigfoot: what contry info ?
[01:50] <javinux> podge, ok, tell me if you get a succesfull compilation
[01:50] <[Spooky] > *country
[01:50] <bigfoot> [Spooky] , click on your name with your 2ndary mouse button.
[01:51] <bigfoot> hi thoreauputic .
[01:51] <bigfoot> bye thoreauputic_
[01:52] <podge> javinux, Compile worked..
[01:53] <mez> lo thoreauputic
[01:53] <thoreauputic> :)
[01:53] <bigfoot> do some themes make the computer run faster than others?
[01:53] <podge> javinux, Maybe it's the compat libraries?
[01:53] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: yes, slightly
[01:54] <bigfoot> For example is "Simple" really "high performance" as the details says?
[01:54] <mez> bigfoot - I'd assume lightweight themse (less graphics) would run faster.
[01:54] <mindspin> bigfoot  "the smaller the better ?"
[01:54] <bigfoot> mindspin, i've just switched to simple from ubuntu theme. i think i can notice a difference.
[01:54] <pepsi> less patterns and more solid colors i think would be best
[01:54] <javinux> podge, so could you do make install without problems?
[01:54] <bigfoot> if i had less stuff on my panel, will my comp run faster?
[01:54] <podge> javinux, make install is also working..
[01:54] <bigfoot> less applets...
[01:54] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: if you want more speed, install icewm or one of the *boxes
[01:55] <podge> javinux, Give me a second.. I will go and run it on my machine upstairs..
[01:55] <bigfoot> what's a *box, thoreauputic ?
[01:55] <thoreauputic> ... or buy a stick of RAM
[01:55] <javinux> podge, ok, thanks
[01:55] <bigfoot> is icewm a theme, thoreauputic ?
[01:55] <podge> javinux, So do you have the compat stuff installed?
[01:55] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: fluxbox, blackbox, openbox
[01:55] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: no, a window manager
[01:56] <bigfoot> what's the default window manager called? metacity?
[01:56] <thoreauputic> bigfoot:  xhttp://xwinman.org
[01:56] <thoreauputic> gah
[01:56] <bob2> bigfoot: yes
[01:56] <KarlosII> what the
[01:56] <mez> xhttp ?
[01:56] <thoreauputic> http://xwinman.org
[01:56] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, "gah"?
[01:56] <javinux> podge, no, I haven't
[01:56] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I made a typo
[01:57] <bigfoot> you're a fast typist, aren't you, thoreauputic ?
[01:57] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: no, I'm slow as hell
[01:57] <bigfoot> bob2, we were talking about pan and stuff... please continue.
[01:57] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I can't touch type at all
[01:57] <bob2> bigfoot: I wasn't talking about pan, you were
[01:58] <podge> javinux, The program starts up correctly on gnome..
[01:58] <bob2> bigfoot: if you want binaries off usenet, use a tool designed for that
[01:58] <podge> thoreauputic, she sells sea shells by the sea shore..
[01:58] <bigfoot> bob2, i went to pan's homepage and it said it can do binaries, no?
[01:58] <bob2> bigfoot: I have no idea
[01:58] <podge> thoreauputic, I'm not a pheasant plucker but a pheasant pluckers son..
[01:58] <bigfoot> podge, how much wood does a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
[01:58] <thoreauputic> the sea shells that she sells are sea shells I'm sure
[01:58] <javinux> podge, ok, it seems I had to install compat packages....
[01:59] <bigfoot> bob2, what do you recommend?
[01:59] <podge> javinux, Give it a try and let me know how you go..
[01:59] <bigfoot> podge, why the tongue twisters? aren't we supposed to give thoreauputic  some finger-twisters rather?
[01:59] <bigfoot> 8-)
[02:00] <bigfoot> like... a quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.
[02:00] <javinux> podge, ok, thanks a lot, I'll try to do the same you did
[02:00] <bigfoot> 8-)
[02:00] <podge> bigfoot, good point.. Got any handy?
[02:00] <mez> something witht eh word sad in
[02:00] <bigfoot> see the above.
[02:00] <thoreauputic> ghlghg aks ;j;lk af; j; ;j ;fj j jksj
[02:00] <mez> abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz maybe
[02:00] <bigfoot> 8-)
[02:00] <bigfoot> thoreauputic,  ha ha ha!
[02:00] <mez> try typing THAT fast
[02:00] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, what were you _really_ wanting to type!
[02:00] <bigfoot> ?
[02:00] <javinux> podge, I'll tell you how it go in some hours
[02:00] <mez> with your eyes shut
[02:01] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: if you didn't understand that, RTFM ;)
[02:01] <podge> mez : I'll cut and paste thanks.. :)
[02:01] <bigfoot> podge, are you quicker with the mouse?
 podge, are you quicker with the mouse? <-- why did i think that was a perverted joke o_O
[02:02] <podge> bigfoot : I've got a big onscreen keyboard.. ;)
[02:02] <mez> and that
[02:02] <bigfoot> podge, oh you're accessibilty-zed!
[02:03] <bigfoot> speaking about text input... any good speech recognition software available?
[02:03] <podge> Anyone been watching "The Apprentice"?
[02:03] <mindspin> podge what experiences do you have with sites using cmses?
[02:04] <bigfoot> anybody knows/uses any good programs for binaries at usenet?
[02:04] <podge> bigfoot : Good luck with it recognising Ubuntu.. haha..
[02:04] <Fator_Dee> bigfoot: try searching in synaptic, you should find a few
[02:04] <bigfoot> podge, what do you mean? don't we just have to find a linux program?
[02:04] <podge> mindspin : CMSes as in Content Management Systems?
[02:04] <mindspin> yep
[02:04] <bigfoot> Fator_Dee,  do you use any?
[02:04] <thoreauputic> well, Bach as well...
[02:04] <Fator_Dee> bigfoot: nope
[02:05] <podge> thoreauputic, More like starts with Mozart and ends with Metallica!
[02:05] <Fator_Dee> Metallica is overrated :-\
[02:05] <thoreauputic> podge: :)
[02:05] <mez> thoreauputic, I thought music began an ended with m and c
[02:05] <mindspin> mozart, the ancient paul mccartney....
[02:05] <thoreauputic> mez: very droll ;)
[02:05] <mez> ;)
[02:05] <thoreauputic> mindspin: ack
[02:05] <podge> mindspin, Not much, usually the web guys do that kind of work? How about you?
[02:06] <bigfoot> mez, that's quite a name change.
[02:06] <mindspin> Im running WEbGUI-cms and try to get it accessible for mostly everybody, so I#m interested in your experiences
[02:06] <Mez> bigfoot, I know - I just like a capital M
[02:06] <podge> bigfoot, does listening to classical make for a big brain?
[02:07] <Fator_Dee> podge: they say so
[02:07] <podge> mindspin, My experiences would be of little value to you..
[02:07] <Fator_Dee> podge: "they"
[02:07] <mindspin> why?
[02:07] <thoreauputic> podge: only listening to Mozart ;-)
[02:07] <thrope> hi - new to ubuntu package management - how do i install mplayer? ive added repositories but it give a dependency conflict (available versions of libfontconfig and libvorbis not recent enough
[02:07] <podge> Fator_Dee, People who listen to classical music say it gives you a big brain? Okay then.. hahah..
[02:07] <javinux> podge, how do you resolve the qtvector problems?
[02:08] <medkit> Man, Mplayer crashs playing xvid , Totem not able to play either but VLC did it.
[02:08] <Fator_Dee> podge: something like that :-p
[02:08] <thrope> anyway i can just carry on anyway since fonts/ogg arent deal breaking features for me
[02:08] <thoreauputic> podge: or a swelled head maybe *g*
[02:08] <podge> javinux, Loaded the compat headers..
[02:09] <bigfoot> podge, i don't remember clearly, i went to a music school once, to inquire about music lessons. there were newspaper and magazine clippings framed and posted on the walls about research done that shows playing an instrument is good for the brain. i think merely listening has good effects, too.
[02:09] <javinux> podge, ok, thanks
[02:09] <thrope> mplayer
[02:09] <podge> Anyone here had any experience with CMS? Mindspin wants some info...
[02:09] <thrope> mplayer
[02:09] <KarlosII> mplayer is crashing
[02:09] <thrope> sorry : wrong keyboard
[02:10] <KarlosII> actually with recent updates totem and mplayer and xine are broken
[02:10] <thrope> anyone? how to install mplayer (resolve dependencies)?
[02:10] <podge> bigfoot, Maybe, I play guitar.. but I can't brag about my brain size..
[02:11] <podge> javinux, Hope I helped!
[02:11] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, those window managers you recommended: are they less pleasing to the eye as the default window manager? What is ubuntu's default windows manager, anyway?
[02:11] <Choubaka> Metacity.
[02:11] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: matter of taste i guess
[02:11] <thoreauputic> metacity is the default gnome window manager
[02:12] <javinux> podge, to install kde libs/headers, which package did you get?
[02:12] <Choubaka> And thus the ubuntu default :)
[02:12] <fucko> hey.  what's a good text-based irc client?
[02:12] <thoreauputic> irssi
[02:12] <Mez> anytone here got any experience with xchat plugins
[02:12] <bob2> fucko: irssi-text.
[02:12] <bigfoot> podge, you won't be able to discern growth in brain size, since the addition of synaptic connections are invisible to the unaided eye.
[02:12] <Mez> lovely name fucko
[02:13] <bigfoot> fucko, when people write your name, do you feel that they're cussing at you?
[02:13] <bigfoot> imagine having a person really named something as bad.
[02:13] <fucko> hm.  you people do cuss an awful lot.
[02:13] <fucko> so, yeah.
[02:13] <bigfoot> only when i talk to you. 8-)
[02:14] <medkit> thrope, http://ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[02:15] <fucko> it's not a hardened net-identity of mine or anything.  I'm just on here for a sec to find a better client and perhaps come right back
[02:15] <podge> javinux, kde-devel
[02:15] <podge> javinux, kde-libs
[02:15] <podge> javinux, Both of those..
[02:16] <_mindspin> anyone here who can kick mindspin?
[02:16] <thrope> medkit: thanks - i already found that though and it doesnt work
[02:16] <thrope> medkit: the mplayer package it says to install dails with some unresolved dependenceis (i mentioned above)
[02:16] <podge> bigfoot, Sounds a big too classically intellectual.. :)
[02:17] <javinux> podge, ok thanks, actually downloading...
[02:17] <_mindspin> seems not to work ;-)
[02:17] <medkit> thrope, i used VLC in the end, i did not get it to work.
[02:17] <_mindspin> he#s still here
[02:17] <thrope> medkit: libvorbis and libfontconfig, needs newer than available
[02:18] <thrope> medkit: ok thanks - guess i will try compiling from the source release
[02:18] <medkit> thrope, sudo apt-get install gnome-vlc libdvdcss2, this will work
[02:18] <podge> javinux, I also did a dist-upgrade as well.. to fix the bin-utils problem..
[02:18] <bigfoot> how can we reserve/register a nickname? tried /msg nickserv register, but it says that the nickname is already registered. what does that mean? does it mean that the nickname is registered only in this chatroom, or in freenode.net, or in the entire chatroom world?
[02:19] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: on freenode
[02:19] <bigfoot> what if i forgot the password?
[02:19] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: although of course the CIA have it on their records too...
[02:19] <_mindspin> get a new nick ,_)
[02:20] <bigfoot> though it's no big deal. could always get a new nick, as mindspin says, or could stay unregistered.
[02:20] <thrope> medkit: does vlc play everything that mplayer does (avi etc), also do you know if it has a caching option (usually playing over choppy wireless)
[02:20] <_mindspin> the only stupidity is, that if your connection is cut off you must take your alternative nick
[02:20] <javinux> podge, ok, it's good know it
[02:21] <thoreauputic> _mindspin: /msg nickserv ghost <password for nick>
[02:21] <_mindspin> never set a psswort for my nick
[02:21] <thoreauputic> _mindspin: then take your nick back
[02:22] <_mindspin> Nickname already in use, try a different one
[02:22] <_mindspin> I#m not a proffessional irc user
[02:22] <Mez> _mindspin,  /msg nickserv ghost nick password
[02:22] <thoreauputic> _mindspin: heh
[02:22] <Mez> _mindspin,  /msg nickserv releasepassword
[02:22] <_mindspin> hanx
[02:22] <Mez> _mindspin,  /msg nickserv release nick password
[02:23] <bigfoot> but mindspin _never_ set a password, so how will he able to input the commands you're advising him/her?
[02:23] <_mindspin> yeah, you got it :-)
[02:23] <Mez> w00t
[02:23] <Mez> I'm finally going to be able to reigster my nickname1
[02:23] <_mindspin> nickserv release mindspin
[02:24] <Mez> you need to set a password when you register
[02:24] <_mindspin> no matter then I'm doubled
[02:24] <_mindspin> nope
[02:24] <Mez> lol
[02:24] <Mez> just wait untilt eh other mindspin pings out
[02:24] <_mindspin> I closed the client
[02:25] <Mez> yeah, then wit till it pings out
[02:25] <Mez> and it it doesnt
[02:25] <Mez> reboot!
[02:25] <Mez> or at least bring eth0 down
[02:25] <medkit> thrope, for me it plays pretty much everything i need. Go read http://videolan.org/ and see yourself if it fits your needs.
[02:26] <uggwar> i am trying to override a package with a selfmade one, but the version of the package is 1:4.0s1 and mine is 5.0b7. i have no clue where the 1: comes from. can someone explain me this, please?
[02:27] <mindspin> hehe
[02:27] <Mez> now register your nick
[02:27] <mindspin> ok
[02:27] <Fator_Dee> but is there any way to regain a forgotten password?
[02:27] <thrope> medkit: cant get it to open a file off a network share
[02:28] <thrope> vlc
[02:28] <Mez> Fator_Dee, for what
[02:28] <Fator_Dee> Mez: for a nick on here, freenode
[02:29] <bob2> uggwar: it's called an epoch
[02:30] <bob2> uggwar: any version beginning with 1: is greater than any without one.  e.g. 1:0 > 99999.
[02:30] <_mez> you should be able to request it
[02:30] <mrkrtl> Why am I getting a "403 Forbidden" when I do an "apt-get update" ?
[02:30] <mindspin> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[02:31] <[Spooky] > i guess i have to do a os reinstall sone then ;/
[02:31] <mindspin> mrktrtl:forgot sudo?
[02:31] <bob2> mrkrtl: from what source?
[02:31] <linukso> hello! Is inotify included in the ubuntu stock kernel
[02:31] <medkit> thrope, that seems to be not a prob of vlc but with the share. Probably permissions?
[02:31] <Fator_Dee> Mez: in where? from whom?
[02:32] <mrkrtl> mindspin: I was logged in as root
[02:32] <Mez> from opers
[02:32] <uggwar> bob2: thanks!
[02:32] <prego> Hi!. How can I authentificate ubuntu-backports packages?
[02:32] <Mez> if you match access list or something
[02:33] <herpes> linukso, yes
[02:33] <bob2> uggwar: and anything beginning with 2: is greater than anything with 1: or nothing, etc...
[02:33] <herpes> but not the very latest
[02:33] <aburlet> hello, please tell me why setting the timezone to GMT+2 substracts 2 hours from the local clock ? Shouldn't it ADD 2 hours ?
[02:33] <linukso> herpes: is it compiled as a module or into the kernel?
[02:33] <mrkrtl> Did apt-get install Ubuntu-desktop to install KDE 3.4 yesterday and today Ubuntu is flaky
[02:33] <herpes> linukso, dunno have a look on the wiki
[02:33] <linukso> herpes: ok
[02:34] <mindspin> try sudo apt-get
[02:34] <bob2> mrkrtl: you'd need to define "flaky" better
[02:34] <mindspin> kubuntu doesn't like root access
[02:34] <mrkrtl> OK I'm getting a "403 Forbidden" error
[02:34] <snowseal> how to install the gtk dev libs?
[02:34] <prego> aburlet, because your hardware clock contains GTM and then two hours must be added to get actual time
[02:34] <thoreauputic> aburlet: +2 is 2 hours *ahead*
[02:34] <bob2> snowseal: gtk 1 or 2?
[02:35] <bob2> mrkrtl: 403 errors are a problem with the apt source
[02:35] <snowseal> bob2,  i just tried to instll 2 so i guess \mplayer needs 1
[02:35] <mrkrtl> When I try to automatically update Ubuntu or do an apt-get update
[02:35] <bob2> mrkrtl: I wou;ld guess you're using "backports"
[02:35] <prego> aburlet, don't use GTM for hardware if you are using other OS in the machine...
[02:35] <bob2> snowseal: libgtk1.2-dev
[02:35] <aburlet> prego, server machine
[02:35] <mrkrtl> I just checked my sources list and it looks good
[02:35] <bob2> mrkrtl: paste it to #flood
[02:35] <podge> Talk later people...
[02:35] <prego> aburlet, that's right, then
[02:35] <aburlet> thoreauputic, GMT is 12:35 now, and GMT+2 is 14:35 right ?
[02:35] <bob2> snowseal: you know mplayer is in ubuntu, right?
[02:35] <snowseal> bob2,  thx
[02:35] <mrkrtl> bob2: The whole sources list?
[02:35] <bob2> mrkrtl: yes
[02:35] <snowseal> bob2,  no..
[02:36] <mrkrtl> OK, will do, thanks.
[02:36] <snowseal> bob2,  lol serious
[02:36] <bob2> snowseal: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, it's in the multiverse suite
[02:36] <thoreauputic> aburlet: hmm - I'm confused now :)
[02:36] <snowseal> ohfuck.
[02:36] <snowseal> well, got it compiled now. :P
[02:36] <aburlet> thoreauputic, so am I ... where are you from ?
[02:36] <uggwar> bob2: i just have to change the epoch of my package to 2: then.
[02:36] <thoreauputic> aburlet: .au (australia)
[02:36] <aburlet> thoreauputic, .au, ok too far away
[02:37] <ras\zazeem-afk> can anyone send me that p2p thing to get icons on desktop with cedega?
[02:37] <aburlet> thoreauputic, If I set timezone like Europe/Paris it works, but if I set timezone as GMT+2 it behaves like GMT-2 ...
[02:38] <mindspin> try gmt -2 ;-)
[02:38] <NicP> thoreauputic, where in au?
[02:38] <prego> aburlet, I've never used GTM+-, I use Europe/Madrid
[02:38] <aburlet> mindspin, it works ... but I don't think that's a good thing :)
[02:39] <aburlet> prego, Special case here, I need to use GMT[+-] XX ....
[02:39] <dooglus> bob2: I read that RestrictedFormats page, but my mplayer still won't play "windowsy" formats.  What codecs do I need in particular?
[02:39] <thoreauputic> NicP: east
[02:39] <bob2> dooglus: the undistributable w32codecs dll tarball
[02:40] <mindspin> I always set Europe/Berlin
[02:40] <dooglus> bob2: sounds complicated...  :)
[02:40] <NicP> so sydney or canberra?
[02:40] <thoreauputic> NicP: south of Sydney
[02:40] <NicP> cool
[02:40] <thoreauputic> Wollongong
[02:40] <NicP> i'm in melb
[02:40] <NicP> i have a very rough idea where that is
[02:41] <aburlet> on some distro (SuSE but not Ubuntu) if I set Europe/Zurich I have GMT-2 and Europe/Berlin in correct (GMT+2) although they are both on the same timezone
[02:41] <thoreauputic> NicP: about 80 km south od Sydney
[02:41] <thoreauputic> *of
[02:41] <mindspin> so you got to blame suse
[02:42] <aburlet> mindspin, ok, and I blame Ubuntu for giving me GMT-2 when I set GMT+2 !
[02:42] <mindspin> yep thats correct
[02:42] <aburlet> that was just an example to say that I see weird things with timezones these days
[02:42] <mindspin> its not pretty, but I can live with such..
[02:43] <aburlet> mindspin, could you try to set your /etc/localtime to GMT+2 and see if it also behaves badly ?
[02:43] <mindspin> i solved a courier problem with changing userID and rechanging it
[02:44] <mindspin> ansd this didnt mak sense either
[02:44] <mindspin> I#ll have a try
[02:47] <jacquesmerde> how do i get the name of apps i run from the terminal to show up as the window-bar title?
[02:48] <yccheok> Hi, anyone encounter [8:36:57]   PRUDPPacketHandler: send failed - java.lang.NullPointerException
[02:48] <yccheok> 	at java.net.DatagramSocket.send(DatagramSocket.java:588)
[02:48] <yccheok> 	at com.aelitis.net.udp.impl.PRUDPPacketHandlerImpl$4.runSupport(PRUDPPacketHandlerImpl.java:693)
[02:48] <yccheok> 	at org.gudy.azureus2.core3.util.AEThread.run(AEThread.java:54) while performing connection in azureus?
[02:48] <mindspin> aburlet, "/etc/localtime" is not a textfile here
[02:49] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: e.g.  ` aterm -title foo -e irssi `
[02:49] <aburlet> mindspin, sure, you can symlink it to /usr/share/zoneinfo/Etc/GMT+2
[02:49] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: or, well aterm -title irssi -e irssi
[02:49] <aburlet> mindspin, ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Etc/GMT+2 /etc/localtime
[02:49] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic: gnome terminal wont cut it?
[02:49] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: I haven't tried :)
[02:49] <thoreauputic> hang on
[02:50] <jacquesmerde> and why does irssi have my own name as white by default? silly silly silly
[02:50] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: not thet way, no
[02:51] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: change the background colour to something like "slategrey"
[02:51] <sandip> jacquesmerde: http://www.karkomaonline.com/article.php/20030622142127408
[02:51] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: ther's probably another way to change the title for gnome-terminal
[02:52] <roshlame> hello
[02:52] <roshlame> I have quite a problem
[02:52] <mindspin> hehe, says gmt+2 and shows gmt -2
[02:52] <Echelon-H> can anyone help me with something not related to ubuntu?
[02:52] <mindspin> you are right
[02:52] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic: but i like having transparent terminals on my predominantly white desktop background...
[02:53] <Echelon-H> Anyone knows of a program that I can replace things with regexp?
[02:53] <roshlame> I have just finished installing ubuntu and it didn't prompt me to assign a password for the root user
[02:53] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: then go to irssi.org and read about irssi themes ;)
[02:53] <mindspin> perl
[02:53] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: there's a whole page of them there
[02:53] <linukso> wow! beagle works... very nice!
[02:53] <Fator_Dee> roshlame: read the wiki about root and sudo
[02:53] <aburlet> mindspin, damn, do you understand why ?
[02:53] <mindspin> KRegExpEditor
[02:53] <mindspin> no idea
[02:53] <sandip> A make question - Can I make an implicit suffix rule, where the source and destination are in different directories?
[02:54] <mindspin> where are you?
[02:54] <roshlame> Fator_Dee, thank you
[02:54] <jacquesmerde> and why don't the system notification area and window list panel apps sit well panel transparency?
[02:54] <aburlet> mindspin, Switzerland : Europe/Zurich : GMT+2
[02:55] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: was that an actual sentence ??
[02:55] <mindspin> I'll have a look on my debian server to get a clue wether its a debian or a ubuntu issue
[02:55] <aburlet> mindspin, great, thanks
[02:56] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic: in my head, yes
[03:01] <mindspin> aburlet, same strange behaviour on three different machines
[03:01] <mindspin> woody, sarge,sarge
[03:01] <aburlet> mindspin, hmm I'll write to some maillinglists then ...
[03:01] <aburlet> mindspin, thanks for trying !
[03:01] <mindspin> de rien
[03:10] <yahalom> my adsl keeps d/c. i tried running pppoecong again and for a little while it was fine and now again the same (a little while being half a day)
[03:10] <herpes> breezy will be out in 5 months?
[03:11] <yahalom> pppoeconf i me
[03:11] <herpes> mean
[03:11] <mindspin> yahalom provider trouble or ubuntu issue? did you check it?
[03:11] <mez> october i think breezy is planned for
[03:11] <yahalom> mindspin, not provider
[03:12] <mindspin> randomly or when you transfer large amounts of data?
[03:12] <yahalom> mindspin, its ubuntu i think. cos wheni was with cable i had the same provider and no issues, and users on windows also dont suffer from this
[03:12] <yahalom> mindspin, mainly when its idle
[03:13] <prego> yahalom, just for cuiriosity, which modem are you using?
[03:13] <mindspin> could be a feature, not a bug, haha
[03:13] <yahalom> prego, a router
[03:13] <prego> yahalom, an USB thing?
[03:14] <mindspin> no I think a pc with two nic
[03:14] <mindspin> cuse which dsl router comes with ubuntu?
[03:15] <prego> mindspin, sorry but then I don't understand why you need pppoeconf
[03:15] <prego> mindspin, wait
[03:15] <prego> mindspin, I don't know what you are talking about. Sorry.
[03:15] <mindspin> i see
[03:16] <p88> how can I find out the location I am downloading something from?
[03:16] <mindspin> i guessed that yahaloms router is a pc with two nics or so...
[03:16] <mindspin> yahalom is in trouble, not me
[03:16] <prego> mindspin, yes, I saw it too late :-((
[03:16] <p88> the exact location of the file on a server
[03:17] <cthulfuego> p88: if the server admin has any sense, you don't.
[03:17] <p88> if the admin doesn't?
[03:18] <cthulfuego> p88: Then it depends on what software the server runs
[03:18] <yahalom_> ok decresing mtu d/c so i tried disabling limiting the mtu, should that do it?
[03:18] <p88> :-\
[03:18] <mindspin> maybe, its a standard issue in troubleshooting, have a try
[03:19] <yahalom_> its a pain in the a#$5
[03:19] <mindspin> whats in the logfiles after the disconnect?
[03:19] <yahalom_> umm
[03:19] <yahalom_> mindspin, /var/log/ what
[03:19] <yahalom_> ?
[03:19] <mindspin> tail -f /var/log/syslog
[03:20] <yahalom_> mindspin, May 30 16:22:17 localhost pppd[6691] : Timeout waiting for PADO packets
[03:20] <yahalom_> mindspin, thats a common one
[03:20] <mindspin> then decreasing the mtu could help
[03:21] <danko123456> hi, Is this the place where I can ask a question about the Ubuntu Linux Operating System?
[03:21] <yahalom_> mindspin, i decreased it and it disconnected me and now its still saying: Interface eth0 has MTU of 1400 -- should be 1500.  You may have serious connection problems.
[03:21] <yahalom_> even though i disabled a limit
[03:22] <mindspin> then increase it again
[03:22] <cthulfuego> danko123456: You get one guess
[03:22] <leathersr> go ahead danko
[03:22] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: pppoe should be claming that to 1492
[03:22] <spanglesontoast> how do I install stuff with point 2 play with ubuntu
[03:22] <danko123456> Can I please ask  aquestion??
[03:22] <danko123456> I NEED HELP!!
[03:22] <danko123456> :P)
[03:22] <danko123456> ok, sorry.
[03:22] <cthulfuego> danko123456: We can see that.
[03:22] <danko123456> I have to do that every time I come.
[03:22] <kadambi> danko123456: yes go ahead
[03:22] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, i said NO when configuring it
[03:23] <danko123456> thanks, tho, sorry to those that fell for it...
[03:23] <yahalom_> mindspin, how do i increase?
[03:23] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: if you have pppoe you almost certainly _do_ want it.
[03:23] <mindspin> wait...
[03:23] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, then why the heck do i keep getting d/c?
[03:23] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: Otherwise connections will die agter a certain amount of data is transferred.
[03:23] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, they die anyway
[03:23] <danko123456> yahalom_: if you ahve pppoe, and are wondering on how to set up your interface, pppoeconf could help, and it has a question on how big to make the MTU..
[03:23] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: Is this a new DSL connection?
[03:24] <yahalom_> danko123456, i know :)
[03:24] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, like 3 weeks
[03:24] <danko123456> I thought you might...
[03:24] <mindspin> go to /etc/ppp/ and edit the file
[03:24] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: Been doing this ever since it got enabled?
[03:24] <danko123456> you can change the MTU there./
[03:24] <mindspin> for me its called dsl-provider
[03:24] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, yes
[03:24] <mindspin> could also be provider
[03:24] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: Did your ISP send you a dsl modem?
[03:25] <yahalom_> mindspin, mine is also dsl-provider
[03:25] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, yes
[03:25] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: Any chance you can send it back and tell them to send you one that's not broken?
[03:25] <spanglesontoast> how can i do echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/legacy_va_layout
[03:25] <spanglesontoast> ?
[03:25] <cthulfuego> spanglesontoast: Exactly like that.
[03:25] <spanglesontoast> says permission denied
[03:26] <cthulfuego> spanglesontoast: root
[03:26] <spanglesontoast> theres only sudo
[03:26] <spanglesontoast> not root
[03:26] <cthulfuego> spanglesontoast: sudo bash;
[03:26] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, u think its broken?
[03:26] <sabotase> fydkyhjd
[03:26] <kadambi> spanglesontoast: sudo -s
[03:26] <mindspin> pty "/usr/sbin/pppoe -I eth1 -T 80 -m 1452"
[03:26] <spanglesontoast> ah
[03:26] <spanglesontoast> ty
[03:26] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: it's certainly having issues that are related to the modem, not the linux box.
[03:26] <mindspin> ok, edit it : pty "/usr/sbin/pppoe -I eth1 -T 80 -m 1452"
[03:26] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, the guys dont offer linux support
[03:27] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, so u say once i've limited mtu and i still get hang up i shoudl replace it?
[03:27] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: I've had mine die with "Timeout waiting for PADO packets" a year or two back, and there was an issue with the DSLAM, the ISP end of things.
[03:27] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, ah so the isp not even the modem?
[03:27] <danko123456> yahalom_: do you have a windows computer, or partition?
[03:27] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: yes, the MUT issue may kill your *internet* connections, but shouldn't affect the *dsl* link.
[03:27] <yahalom_> danko123456, nope
[03:27] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: Well, it could be either.
[03:28] <mindspin> yep and we got areas here which only support special kinds of dsl modems
[03:28] <danko123456> yahalom_: can I please ask what the issue is concerning?
[03:28] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: Do you have any friends nearby with dsl?
[03:28] <danko123456> except you...
[03:28] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, no
[03:28] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: crud
[03:28] <yahalom_> danko123456, my dsl disconnects often
[03:28] <leathersr> spangle, I don't see any legacy_va_layout file there... perhaps that is your problem - not the fact that you are using sudo to echo the 1
[03:28] <sabotase> haaaaalooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwweeeeeennnnnnnnnnnn
[03:28] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: is it an ethernet modem or a usb one?
[03:28] <danko123456> yahalom, tested with another cable?
[03:28] <yahalom_> danko123456, when i try to reconnect with the command it doesnt always work
[03:28] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, ethernet
[03:28] <cthulfuego> leathersr: That would depend 100% on kernel version and config.
[03:29] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, even when it d/c eth0 is active
[03:29] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: is the line filter installed correctly?
[03:29] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, oh crap
[03:29] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, one sec
[03:29] <danko123456> ha
[03:29] <cthulfuego> Do you get disconnected when the phone rings? ;-)
[03:30] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, i have one line without a filter
[03:30] <Burgundavia> cthulfuego, hey, please remember the ubuntu code of conduct
[03:30] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, could that be it?
[03:30] <bluefoxicy> should hoary freeze if left alone for several hours
[03:30] <spanglesontoast> jeez looks like I cannot install cs:s
[03:30] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, meaning one socket
[03:30] <Burgundavia> blue119, no
[03:30] <danko123456> Burgundavia: taht was kinda funny,. too, I didnt expect it...
[03:30] <Burgundavia> bluefoxicy, no
[03:30] <bluefoxicy> and should moving to 2.6.12 kernel from breezy fix it?
[03:30] <danko123456> but, yeah, I mean, no need for that, cthulfuego.
[03:30] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: Is the dsl modem the only thing that's plugged in?
[03:30] <Burgundavia> bluefoxicy, probably not
[03:30] <Burgundavia> bluefoxicy, and the .12 kernel has no restricted modules
[03:31] <bluefoxicy> Burgundavia:  then I believe Ubuntu enabling, well, ALL of the experimental features of the kernel may be a bad idea?
[03:31] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, no. i have one phone line with like 5 sockets in the house. all have filters except for one. i use the line for the phone too.
[03:31] <bluefoxicy> Burgundavia:  I didn't need restricted modules anyway
[03:31] <Burgundavia> bluefoxicy, if you want to try out an unreleased kernel, go ahead
[03:31] <Burgundavia> I only run Breezy, I am not that crazy
[03:31] <bluefoxicy> Burgundavia:  I'm having more luck on it than on .10, which froze a lot.
[03:31] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: Hmmm. I wonder if you should try running it for an hour or so with all phones unplugged.
[03:32] <spanglesontoast> there any howtos for counter strike source on ubuntu
[03:32] <bluefoxicy> Burgundavia:  think Win98
[03:32] <Burgundavia> bluefoxicy, ouch
[03:32] <johnnybezak> hey guys i upgraded to hoary from warty and now when i close my screen on my compaq i cant wake it back up, but that worked in warty
[03:32] <danko123456> yahalom_: did you try wiht a diff cable?
[03:32] <johnnybezak> is there anyway to configure this or is it just a bug and should be reported
[03:32] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, i called the land line, still connected
[03:32] <bluefoxicy> Burgundavia:  as a bonus the aslr in 2.6.12 gives a minor performance increase, tohugh i'm not sure it's enabled (and I doubt it's noticible when it is)
[03:33] <danko123456> johnnybezak: heard that several times...
[03:33] <danko123456> johnnybezak: now, I dont have any good news, tho...
[03:33] <prego> johnnybe2ak, probably something related to acpi
[03:33] <johnnybezak> danko123456: yeah
[03:33] <danko123456> except that since I heard it b4 it may be on the forums...
[03:33] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: Hmm. I dunno about there, but here there is a limit on how many devices can be plugged into a single line - power level issues.
[03:33] <johnnybezak> prego yeah i know
[03:33] <johnnybezak> danko what would it be called
[03:33] <johnnybezak> i mean how should i describe it
[03:33] <danko123456> prego, johnnybezak^
[03:33] <bluefoxicy> no real added security because the delta is so tiny (you need large entropy randomization for security) but certainly helps with cache line invalidation :)
[03:33] <Burgundavia> bluefoxicy, I am not a kernel dev, so I have no idea
[03:33] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, something interesting in my log. 3 lines. can i query it to u. just the lines.
[03:34] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: just a moment
[03:34] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: go ahead
[03:34] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, ok
[03:34] <danko123456> yahalom_: you can as well use http://pastebin.com or the like...
[03:34] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, does that seem to u like it reconnected after the call?
[03:35] <prego> johnnybezak, try with booting options... perhaps... I've not managed to do that kind of things in my laptop anyway... :-((
[03:35] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: Is eth0 your only ethernet link?
[03:35] <danko123456> johnnybezak: got that?
[03:35] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, yes
 The ASLR in PaX breaks things and shouldn't be in the kernel as an option at all BUT our ASLR breaks emacs and a few other things and should be in the kernel mandatory without a disable option
[03:35] <yonil> How can i echo text to a file ? [echo dfsfsdf > bla]  doesnt work
[03:35] <bluefoxicy> (well there's a runtime disable option I tihnk. . . pt_gnu_stack does it)
[03:35] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: I think dhclient might be renweing your IP address on that network card every 30 minutes; kicking you off.
[03:35] <yonil> nevermind
[03:36] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: Can you paste me the contents of /etc/network/interfaces ?
[03:36] <bluefoxicy> anyway I just woke up
[03:36] <skoop> I have a joyful printing problem. it used to work fine under warty, but after upgrading to hoary printing doesn't work. in the gnome-cups-manager it does say 'job-printing' but nothing happens.
[03:36] <bluefoxicy> and I'm amazed my computer hasn't frozen
[03:36] <skoop> this is a HP PSC 1350
[03:36] <bluefoxicy> so whatever the diff is between 2.6.10 and 2.6.12, it's a good thing.
[03:36] <danko123456> yonil:) http://pastebin.com/292176 if you duidnt get it.
[03:37] <danko123456> skoop: is it still shown in printing?
[03:37] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, that would make sense i get d/c about every 30 min
[03:37] <skoop> danko123456: yes, the printer is there, it's connected, everything is as it should be
[03:37] <danko123456> yahalom_: did you want to answer my question?
[03:37] <skoop> danko123456: it just doesn't print ;)
[03:37] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: yeah, that eth0 stuff is not correct when using pppoe.
[03:37] <danko123456> skoop: removed readded printer?
[03:38] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: Lemme just fetcha  line from elsewhere
[03:38] <roshlame> Have I missed something or does Ubuntu not ship with a C compilier?
[03:38] <linukso> roshlame: sudo apt-get install gcc
[03:38] <danko123456> cthulfuego: pppoe does not go into interfaces....
[03:38] <yahalom_> danko123456, i only saw a statement not a question :) what que?
[03:38] <thoreauputic> roshlame: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:38] <cthulfuego> danko123456: No. I know.
[03:38] <skoop> danko123456: yup, also did that. tried it with and with ptal-init, removing the printer and adding a new printer, disconnecting/reconnecting, restarting cups
[03:38] <danko123456> linukso: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:38] <cthulfuego> danko123456: dhclient does.
[03:38] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, ah go figure
[03:38] <thoreauputic> linukso: no - he needs build-essential
[03:38] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, thanx
[03:39] <cthulfuego> danko123456: dhclient on eth0 and *also* pppoe on eth0 brings broken badness
[03:39] <skoop> *with and without
[03:39] <yahalom_> danko123456, about pastebin u mean right?
[03:39] <danko123456> yahalom_: did you try with a diff ethernet cable?
[03:39] <bluefoxicy> oh hey I had the coolest dream
[03:39] <yahalom_> danko123456, ah ok sorry man. no i didnt
[03:39] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: auto eth0 \ iface eth0 inet static \    address 0.0.0.0
[03:39] <danko123456> yahalom_: well, that would be my next step.
[03:39] <bluefoxicy> X-chat had a button built into the default config that you could highlight a user and send a /dcc command that buffer overflowed mIRC
[03:39] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: Remove the dhcp stuff, add my lines.
[03:39] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, add that?
[03:39] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: Newline where the \ is
[03:39] <danko123456> man, thoreauputicwhat did I say about that...:-p
[03:40] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, what dhcp stuff?
[03:40] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: 'iface eth0 inet dhcp'
[03:40] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: remove that
[03:40] <thoreauputic> danko123456: I was just a bit slow to see it, sorry
[03:40] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, i dont have a static ip though
[03:40] <danko123456> bluefoxicy: yeah, that would be nice...if I only knew what it meant...
[03:41] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, not a prob?
[03:41] <leathersr> Anyone know what causes Ign results rather than Hit results when doing apt-get update?
[03:41] <spanglesontoast> can someone please tell me how to install counter strike source?
[03:41] <danko123456> thoreauputic: I said it after you....why are you sorry, I am jj anyhow:)
[03:41] <danko123456> spanglesontoast: you have its source? are you sure?
[03:41] <roshlame> thank you a lot
[03:41] <yahalom_> dankol123456 me broke
[03:41] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: that line is starting dhcp on the pppoe interface when the machine boots up
[03:41] <yahalom_> danko123456, me broke
[03:41] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: ... which is what keeps disconnecting you
[03:41] <spanglesontoast> don't be cocky.
[03:41] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, aha
[03:42] <spanglesontoast> I mean't cs:s
[03:42] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, if i reconfire pppoeconf now will it erase that?
[03:42] <spanglesontoast> either way It still complains about a file not being able to run
[03:42] <spanglesontoast> for the installer
[03:42] <danko123456> spanglesontoast: no, Im not trying to be that, you really have its source?
[03:42] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, i want to re-enable mtu limiting
[03:42] <spanglesontoast> no
[03:42] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: Just rerun pppoeconf
[03:42] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, it wont erase my stuff?
[03:43] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, the stuff u just gave me?
[03:43] <bluefoxicy> danko123456:  It meant you could click on users using windows and knock them offline?
[03:43] <skoop> danko123456: it's one of those all-in-one machines, and when I start xsane, it does recognize the machine, so it's not a connection issue either, it's just the printing that doesn't work
[03:43] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: or you can enable 'clampmss' in pppoeconf
[03:43] <danko123456> cthulfuego: so he really had a line about configuring dhcp in interfaces?
[03:43] <spanglesontoast> when i try to run setup.exe
[03:43] <cthulfuego> yahalom_: No, what i gave you doesn't affect the pppoe configuration
[03:43] <cthulfuego> danko123456: yes
[03:43] <danko123456> skoop: I dont know, I just wanhtd to check you did the basics, cause that is as far as I know...
[03:43] <spanglesontoast> it says could not execute external program msiexec.cexe
[03:43] <yahalom_> danko123456, iface eth0 inet dhcp
[03:43] <Dalkus> how do I apt-get without downloading dependancies?
[03:44] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, i never touched that though
[03:44] <skoop> danko123456: heh, thanks :)
[03:44] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, is it default?
[03:44] <danko123456> bluefoxicy: I hought it was that.
[03:44] <thoreauputic> Dalkus: why would you want to do that to yourself?
[03:44] <Dalkus> because prboom requires freedoom wad to be downloaded (18mb) and I dont want or need it
[03:44] <skoop> anyoen else have any idea about this problem? printer/scanner problem with HP PSC 1350, scanner works fine, Ubuntu says printer works fine, even gives job-printing status, but printer does nothing
[03:44] <leathersr> dpkg --ignore-gepends <package>
[03:45] <cthulfuego> danko123456: No wonder you kept asking him to change the cable.
[03:45] <Dalkus> thanks
[03:45] <leathersr> errrr --ignore-depends
[03:45] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, its either that or the cable?
[03:45] <spanglesontoast> guess no one wants to help me guess I'll get ready for downloading fed 4
[03:45] <danko123456> cthulfuego: well... that is a big thing for connections, the cable, try connecting without it...
[03:45] <Dalkus> must I use dpgk? or can apt-get be used?
[03:46] <danko123456> especiallly without wireless, cthulfuego/
[03:46] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, danko123456 thanx guys
[03:46] <Dalkus> spanglesontoast, stop jumping to conclutions, try asking again later.
[03:46] <yahalom_> cthulfuego, danko123456 let me do a reboot and see
[03:46] <spanglesontoast> root@spangles:~# /proc/sys/vm/legacy_va_layout
[03:46] <spanglesontoast> bash: /proc/sys/vm/legacy_va_layout: Permission denied
[03:46] <danko123456> welcome:)
[03:46] <spanglesontoast> i get that error
[03:46] <danko123456> dont reboot,. please.
[03:46] <cthulfuego> spanglesontoast: it's not an executable.
[03:46] <danko123456> he did...
[03:46] <cthulfuego> spanglesontoast: cat /proc/sys/vm/legacy_va_layout
[03:47] <spanglesontoast> says 1
[03:47] <cthulfuego> spanglesontoast: there you go
[03:47] <spanglesontoast> does that mean it's on?
[03:47] <cthulfuego> spanglesontoast: yep
[03:47] <spanglesontoast> so how come point2play
[03:47] <spanglesontoast> doesn't work
[03:47] <danko123456> (08:45:43) spanglesontoast: guess no one wants to help me guess I'll get ready for downloading fed 4    .....haha, what a puny attempt....
[03:47] <leathersr> dalkus I think you need to use dpkg for that
[03:47] <Dalkus> thanks
[03:47] <danko123456> dalkus, for more info, man apt-get
[03:47] <cthulfuego> spanglesontoast: You should ask the commercial point2play developers that
[03:48] <Dalkus> will do
[03:48] <thoreauputic> danko123456: no need for ridicule, man
[03:48] <spanglesontoast> they are all dead in their chat room
[03:48] <spanglesontoast> and plus ubuntu has sudo
[03:48] <danko123456> well, I mean...sorry:(
[03:48] <spanglesontoast> so I thought someone else may be able to help me
[03:48] <cthulfuego> spanglesontoast: I can't help you, I don't have that particular payware software.
[03:48] <danko123456> thanks, tho, thoreauputic.
[03:48] <danko123456> cthulfuego: why did you let yahalom reboot?:)
[03:49] <danko123456> sorry, spanglesontoast.
[03:49] <cthulfuego> danko123456: I never told him to reboot.
[03:49] <danko123456> I know, I wanted to stop him:)
[03:49] <spanglesontoast> hmm does anyone know the name for point2play as the program name to run it
[03:49] <danko123456> do you have it onyour comp?
[03:49] <spanglesontoast> huh?
[03:49] <Fator_Dee> spanglesontoast: Point<tab><tab>
[03:49] <leathersr> Anyone know what causes Ign results rather than Hit results when doing apt-get update?
[03:49] <danko123456> do you have it downloaded?
[03:49] <cthulfuego> dpkg -L point2play | grep bin
[03:49] <spanglesontoast> yea i have membership
[03:50] <snowseal> alsa and oss wont work as audio output. only esd works atm. and my mplayer cant use esd atm
[03:50] <Fator_Dee> cthulfuego, spanglesontoast: capital P
[03:50] <spanglesontoast> ah
[03:50] <spanglesontoast> ty
[03:50] <cthulfuego> Fator_Dee: capital letters on linux filenames are a mortal sin
[03:51] <Fator_Dee> cthulfuego: complain to the cedega devs then :-p
[03:51] <spanglesontoast> hmm still doesn't work running as root
[03:51] <cthulfuego> Fator_Dee: I would, but I didn't pay them for that privilege.
[03:51] <Fator_Dee> spanglesontoast: complain to them
[03:51] <thoreauputic> cthulfuego: hmm, like Xdialog and X ;)
[03:51] <spanglesontoast> kk
[03:51] <danko123456> spanglesontoast:so how does it work, they send you some files?
[03:52] <podge> thoreauputic: Where abouts in OZ are you from?
[03:52] <spanglesontoast> no I download this program it emulates windoze
[03:52] <spanglesontoast> so I can play games
[03:52] <spanglesontoast> :D
[03:52] <thoreauputic> cthulfuego: I agree those are also mortal sins - Wollongong
[03:52] <johnnybe1ak> hey guys i've determined that it's hibernation, not sleeping. is there a way to make my laptop just sleep instead of hibernate when i shut the lid
[03:52] <danko123456> ok, do you know how to start that one, or is that what you are finding out?
[03:52] <cthulfuego> thoreauputic: That can be fixed system-wide with a single find command ;-)
[03:52] <thoreauputic> cthulfuego: you?
[03:52] <cthulfuego> thoreauputic: I'm not podge
[03:52] <thoreauputic> cthulfuego: true :)
[03:52] <cthulfuego> thoreauputic: (West Melbourne)
[03:53] <thoreauputic> cthulfuego: aha :)
[03:53] <danko123456> wollongong, that is a place? nice...
[03:53] <cthulfuego> thoreauputic: To be precise, I'm not from anywhere in OZ, I just live here.
[03:53] <thoreauputic> oops
[03:53] <beginner> hello
[03:53] <IRCMonkey_> is there a telnet or ssh server installed by default and if so how can I start it?
[03:53] <skoop> anyoen else have any idea about this problem? printer/scanner problem with HP PSC 1350, scanner works fine, Ubuntu says printer works fine, even gives job-printing status, but printer does nothing
[03:53] <Fator_Dee> IRCMonkey_: no servers installed by default
[03:53] <podge> thoreauputic: Wollongong.. I stayed in a very cheap hotel in W/Gong just after Bathurst (on the way back)..
[03:53] <thoreauputic> podge: sorry - brain isn't functioning
[03:53] <beginner> can anybody help me?
[03:54] <podge> thoreauputic: Get some sleep.. ;)
[03:54] <danko123456> IRCMonkey_: no there is not, sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[03:54] <beginner> i want to fix this:Failed to fetch http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ubp/dists/hoary-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  403 Forbidden
[03:54] <skoop> beginner: with what?
[03:54] <cthulfuego> thoreauputic: bin watching BB eh
[03:54] <IRCMonkey_> thanks
[03:54] <podge> cthulfuego: You from OZ? Where?
[03:54] <danko123456> beginner: it is a problem with their server,  IMO./
[03:54] <podge> cthulfuego: Un-Cut?
[03:54] <skoop> beginner: uh oh... I got recommended yesterday to not use backports with hoary...
[03:54] <cthulfuego> podge: Nono, I'm dutch. Moved here in '97, living in West Melb now.
[03:54] <thoreauputic> podge: cthulfuego thoreauputic: (West Melbourne)
[03:55] <medkit> which shortcut restarts the xserver?
[03:55] <mindspin> ctrl alt backspace
[03:55] <leathersr> beginner, the backports repository you are using has been removed - you need to use one of the mirrors
[03:55] <skoop> cthulfuego: dutch? whats it with dutch moving to australia? I've been hearing that a lot lately
[03:55] <medkit> thx
[03:55] <danko123456> skoop: they are kind of for ppl that kno what is to be done, I recommend this usage if you hacve to use it...have it commented out in sources.list always expcept when you install a specific package.
[03:55] <cthulfuego> skoop: Holland is full.
[03:55] <johnnybe1ak> where do i report bugs at?
[03:55] <podge> cthulfuego: The poker on Saturday night is better than Big Brother..
[03:55] <skoop> cthulfuego: not where I live :-D
[03:55] <danko123456> beginner: would you like to comment that out in your sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[03:56] <cthulfuego> podge: a poke in the eye with a shovel is also better then big brother ;-)
[03:56] <podge> cthulfuego: If only the women were better looking..
[03:56] <podge> snowseal: Got your laptop out there with you?
[03:56] <skoop> cthulfuego: you just shouldnt live in the cities, move to the countryside. we did that a year ago and it's great here. living in a small village near Amersfoort
[03:56] <mindspin> no nice women in australia uuuh
[03:56] <cthulfuego> skoop: Ha. Where in holland can I drive for 2 hours and be somewhere without _any_ people (and still in holland?)
[03:56] <snowseal> podge,  yes.
[03:57] <cthulfuego> skoop: Um, I've lived in a small town in de achterhoek for most of my life.
[03:57] <skoop> cthulfuego: I just need to take my bike for 20 minutes and I'm in the middle of the forest near Zeist, which is beautiful and silent :)
[03:57] <skoop> cthulfuego: ok, thats barren countryside as well :-D
[03:57] <medkit> and howto save the whole session after restarting the xserver?
[03:57] <prego> mindspin, what about killie minoge :-P
[03:57] <cthulfuego> skoop: far more barren then where you are, but still full!
[03:57] <mindspin> yeah that's why I was wondering
[03:58] <danko123456> beginner: alternatively, you can use a mirror as leathersr said put a xx. after http:// where xx is your countries two letter code...I suggest commenting it out till y ou need a package from there.
[03:58] <thr1ce> breezy is still broken?
[03:58] <cthulfuego> thr1ce: yes
[03:58] <skoop> cthulfuego: ah well, I guess I'm just lucky at where I live. it's nice and peaceful here
[03:58] <danko123456> thr1ce: some have fixes, it is still in dev't tho.
[03:58] <mindspin> I always thought that you got nice women down there
[03:58] <mindspin> ut the meisjes in netherlands are real pretty ones
[03:59] <cthulfuego> skoop: Just can't get away from people in holland. even if you find somewhere quiet, chances are someone else will also wander past within 30 mins.
[03:59] <medkit> Howto save the whole session layout before restarting the xserver?
[03:59] <danko123456> beginner: I hope I did not write that in vain:-p
[03:59] <cthulfuego> skoop: Drove my wife mental when we lived there :-)
[03:59] <danko123456> medkit: yeah, that may be easier than after you restart it:)
[03:59] <skoop> cthulfuego: depends on the weather I guess. I walked around in the forest near Zeist two weeks ago with average weather and walked around for over an hour, not encountering anyone
[04:00] <cthulfuego> skoop: I've been in proper deseret outback now - *that* is proper silence.
[04:00] <skoop> cthulfuego: heh. alrighty
[04:00] <medkit> danko123456, i remember people living backwards in time but i am not one of them.
[04:01] <cthulfuego> Mind you, you need to take 40 litres of water and a reserve tank of gas ;-)
[04:01] <thoreauputic> skoop: there are many places near cities in Australia where you could walk in the bush for days without meeting anyone :)
[04:01] <cthulfuego> thoreauputic: Like Rowville
[04:01] <nene> hi to all
[04:01] <mindspin> its much two hot in australia I think
[04:01] <danko123456> hi right back at cha.
[04:01] <skoop> thoreauputic: for some reason, australia still doesn't really attract me. I'd move to something like Canada maybe.
[04:01] <cthulfuego> mindspin: I'm freezing here
[04:02] <nene> somebode latin???????????'
[04:02] <danko123456> skoop: well, you are always welcome here:)
[04:02] <cthulfuego> skoop: yeah, politics has gone a little bit fascist here recently.
[04:02] <skoop> thoreauputic: but I like to be surrounded with people anyway. I'd love to live in London, but I can't get my wife to agree with that :-D
[04:02] <mindspin> yep thats mor for me canada
[04:02] <thoreauputic> skoop: It's very different from Europe, for sure
[04:02] <danko123456> nene: there is a channel #ubuntu-es
[04:02] <nene> yeah I know
[04:02] <cthulfuego> skoop: But they'll probably let you migrate if you're white and educated.
[04:02] <mindspin> you got winter right now?
[04:02] <cthulfuego> mindspin: Winter is just starting, yes.
[04:02] <nene> ubuntu is linux?????
[04:02] <danko123456> nene, sweet, I am not latin.
[04:03] <podge> mindspin: No snow in Melbourne though..
[04:03] <danko123456> yeah, it is. nene
[04:03] <nene> ah ok
[04:03] <mindspin> yesterday we got 35 degrees (celsius) here in moffenland
[04:03] <cthulfuego> podge: mt Buller isn't far though.
[04:03] <nene> yeah I like it ubuntu
[04:03] <johnnybe1ak> where is moffenland
[04:03] <cthulfuego> johnnybe1ak: germany
[04:03] <mindspin> germany
[04:03] <danko123456> nene: hey, me too, what a coincidence taht we would be on the same irc channel;)
[04:03] <nene> what???
[04:03] <danko123456> I got a cold two days ago here in Canada....:(
[04:03] <raDeon> neeneedesktop
[04:03] <podge> cthulfuego: True.. bit higher up..
[04:04] <cthulfuego> Melbourne is currently a grand total of 13.5C and raining a little bit.
[04:04] <nene> I dont understand english very much
[04:04] <mindspin> and pretty snowy in winter
[04:04] <danko123456> nene: I like Ubuntu too, what a coincidence taht we would be on the same irc channel;)
[04:04] <raDeon> HAHAHA
[04:04] <nene> ah ok hehehehehe    :)
[04:04] <danko123456> raDeon: hey, glad to see you are up...
[04:04] <cthulfuego> mindspin: Austral;ia has some fairly decent mountains with ski resorts.
[04:04] <raDeon> danko123456, that is so nice of you
[04:04] <nene> you know to used ubuntu?
[04:04] <podge> danko123456: Soldier on with Codral..
[04:04] <raDeon> it was a close one, i almost died in my sleep
[04:04] <cthulfuego> mindspin: And for people who need more, there's New Zealand.
[04:05] <mindspin> sure? I knew only from new zeeland being ski resorts there
[04:05] <mindspin> indeed
[04:05] <cthulfuego> mindspin: Yep, there's heaps.
[04:05] <thoreauputic> cthulfuego: NZ has *serious* mountains :)
[04:05] <skoop> New Zealand, now there's a country I'd love to visit someday
[04:05] <medkit> I am now going to ask my favourite question of the last 36 horus. Beware.
[04:05] <mindspin> but you got the ozone hole hehe
[04:05] <skoop> and I wanted that even before LOTR was released :-D
[04:05] <danko123456> nene:  you mean do I know how to use Ubuntu, well, a little.
[04:05] <cthulfuego> skoop: it's only 4 hours away and nice & cheap ;-)
[04:05] <thoreauputic> skoop: NZ is exceptonally beautiful
[04:05] <skoop> cthulfuego: for you, yes :-D
[04:05] <danko123456> podge: no clue what that is supposed to mean, not a soldier fan much myself....
[04:05] <nene> yeah hehe  sorry
[04:06] <thoreauputic> *exceptionally
[04:06] <danko123456> podge, I get it,:)
[04:06] <leathersr> hmmmm I am looking at the supposed best backports mirror and the package files look empty !! anyone else see the same ?   ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-extras-staging for example
[04:06] <skoop> hmm... maybe I'll try to connect my printer to my slackware machine instead ;)
[04:06] <nene> ah I am new in this software
[04:06] <thoreauputic> cthulfuego: you are a skier?
[04:06] <cthulfuego> mindspin: http://www.ski.com.au/
[04:06] <medkit> How to recompile a Kernel without hpt34x and hpt366 modules support?
[04:06] <cthulfuego> thoreauputic: nope, not at all
[04:06] <thoreauputic> cthulfuego: ah
[04:06] <cthulfuego> thoreauputic: marathon ice skating is my thing
[04:06] <danko123456> nene: is there something you are trying to get done with Ubuntu, do you need help with something?
[04:07] <podge> What has skiing got to do with Linux? ;)
[04:07] <skoop> podge: ever played tuxracer? ;)
[04:07] <thoreauputic> podge: penguins? heheh
[04:07] <cthulfuego> podge: Ummm, tuxracer is in the snow?
[04:07] <podge> Loaded question really...
[04:07] <danko123456> medkit: well, even during install you can choose modules with expert install
[04:07] <mindspin> skiing/linux is fun
[04:07] <podge> Skibuntu?
[04:08] <skoop> heh
[04:08] <danko123456> :)
[04:08] <cthulfuego> There's good eating on penguins. not to be sneezed at.
[04:08] <mindspin> ubuntu boards
[04:08] <skoop> Skibuntu will come after breezy then? ;)
[04:08] <mindspin> there will be a fork for those who prefer boarding
[04:08] <skoop> though breezy sounds more like windsurfing
[04:08] <podge> Who chose the name Breezy?
[04:08] <danko123456> mr breezy...
[04:09] <danko123456> obviously...
[04:09] <cthulfuego> podge: you really think they'll own up? ;-)
[04:09] <thoreauputic> sabdfl probably
[04:09] <podge> It's probably in the FAQ/Wiki somewhere..
[04:09] <danko123456> ok, brb as someone else, try to guess, ok?
[04:09] <podge> danko123456: Probably some guy who left his fly undone..
[04:10] <podge> cthulfuego: Old people?
[04:10] <cthulfuego> podge: yes, like me.
[04:10] <mindspin> who's old, I'm 42
[04:10] <podge> cthulfuego: Older than the woman you feel?
[04:10] <bigfoot> How do I increase how many documents are shown in the Places->"Recent Documents" list?
[04:10] <cthulfuego> podge: far older than the woman i feel
[04:10] <daba> yeah, so, where can I get help on Ubuntu Linux? please I need some help with it?
[04:11] <mindspin> daba go ahead and ask
[04:11] <daba> oh, come on, dont tell me you did not know it was me...
[04:11] <prego> daba, here you may also find help about contries and people age ;-P
[04:11] <daba> ok, well, thanks, tho.
[04:11] <thoreauputic> daba: hi danko123456
[04:12] <daba> hey, that was the dumbest thing I did in a while, it feels good for a while...
[04:12] <daba> oh, come on...
[04:12] <podge> :)
[04:12] <daba> :)
[04:12] <podge> Yep..
[04:13] <podge> Two heads better than one..
[04:13] <mindspin> daba, what was the dumbest....?
[04:13] <daba> wow, how?
[04:13] <podge> Time to go people.. talk later..
[04:13] <podge> thoreauputic: Get some sleep.. hahaha..
[04:13] <egg> ^-^
[04:13] <daba> mindspin, it was like, I was on IRC, and I said, ok, Illl brb, as someone else, and you try to guess who I am...
[04:14] <mindspin> me?
[04:14] <daba> egg, sta ima, kaj linux korists?
[04:14] <daba> :)
[04:14] <dockane> how do i get my kyocera 1750 working in tb and ff (only prints 3 wired lines : [..]  %PS-Adonbe-3.0[..]  ) ? printing from OOo and xpdf works fine.
[04:14] <mindspin> wat bedoel je ermee?
[04:14] <mindspin> daba
[04:14] <daba> mindspin: well, you asked me what was this dumb thing I did...
[04:15] <mindspin> sorry, thought you were asking for help
[04:15] <daba> k, thaniks.
[04:15] <medkit> danko123456, bugger is: i never really compiled a kernel except "copy paste compiles". It is hard to get familiar with the How-tos to create/compile Ubuntu Linux kernel packages.
[04:16] <thr1ce> ubuntu does not use a vanilla kernel does it?
[04:16] <egg> thr1ce: not?
[04:16] <skoop> thr1ce: no, it's a strawberry kernel
[04:16] <eruin> anyone know how to export/upload info on last songs played in rhyhtmbox?
[04:16] <daba> medkit: , well, I never had to do it neither, a bugger is someone who commits sodomy, sudo apt-get install dict && dict sodomy if you are not sure.....
[04:16] <eruin> rhythmbox*
[04:16] <bigfoot> hi, how do i increased the number of documents being shown in the "Recent Folders" list? thanks.
[04:16] <thr1ce> skoop: funny
[04:16] <skoop> thr1ce: thank you :-D
[04:17] <daba> dockane: you are not being ignored, I am looking for the howto...
[04:18] <daba> wtf is up with the egg
[04:18] <daba> ? he comes, smiles, says no? and leaves...
[04:18] <dockane> daba : thnx
[04:19] <medkit> daba, many thanks for the linguistic enlightment.
[04:20] <raDeon> np
[04:20] <daba> medkit: I got taught the same thing roight here in #ubuntu
[04:20] <skoop> what package is ptal-init part of?
[04:21] <skoop> hpoj?
[04:21] <mindspin> apt-cache search ptal-init ?
[04:21] <mindspin> apt-cache show ptal-init ?
[04:23] <daba> dockane: I know I see a reference in the wiki for kyoceras, and now it is not to be found... I am still olooking, I guess.
[04:23] <no0tic> hi
[04:23] <no0tic> there's a way to read gmail into evolution via pop?
[04:23] <dockane> daba, i found the wiki page
[04:24] <dockane> daba, but its german and there's not yet a solution : http://ubuntuusers.de/wiki/benutzer:drucken_aus_firefox_und_thunderbird
[04:24] <thr1ce> no0tic: yes, read on the gmail page
[04:24] <Einhoernchen> ehh guys
[04:25] <Einhoernchen> got a question... i can't delete my browser histroy
[04:25] <Einhoernchen> history*
[04:25] <medkit> daba, my understanding of the word is like "Gosh", "Damn" "annoying"  but if i can easily live without it.
[04:25] <Einhoernchen> in konqueror.. is it a bug or is it a feature?
[04:25] <joey_> helloi?
[04:25] <mindspin> which  browser?
[04:25] <no0tic> thr1ce: yes, I activated the pop service but in evolution I can't set pop3 port, I think it searches for 110 but it isn't
[04:25] <rizla_> hello!
[04:25] <mindspin> use firefox hrnchen
[04:26] <Einhoernchen> well yes i do
[04:26] <Einhoernchen> but
[04:26] <Einhoernchen> just wanna know
[04:26] <freeflying> hi you all ,why can't i use synaptic under breezy
[04:26] <Einhoernchen> if its a bug
[04:26] <rizla_> i've a little problem.. dows somebody has a starbridge router
[04:26] <rizla_> ?
[04:26] <mindspin> go to home/.kde and have a look
[04:26] <freeflying> when start it ,segment fault given
[04:26] <thoreauputic> freeflying: um - /topic
[04:26] <hyphenated> freeflying: the topic makes it pretty clear that using breezy is a bad idea ;-)
[04:26] <daba> rizla man, if you stopped smoking dope, you waould have less probs,...:-p\
[04:26] <Einhoernchen> breezy?
[04:26] <Einhoernchen> wtf..
[04:26] <freeflying> I know it ,but I'm using it now
[04:27] <rizla_> :)
[04:27] <thoreauputic> freeflying: when it breaks you get to keep the pieces
[04:27] <mindspin> breezy will be the next release einhorn
[04:27] <skoop> can I please vent my frustration for a second?
[04:27] <daba> Einhoernchen: try #kubuntu too, we mostly use gnome, or something... It seems like a bug here...
[04:27] <Einhoernchen> yea
[04:27] <Einhoernchen> i allready try ;)
[04:27] <mindspin> i use kubuntu
[04:27] <mindspin> #kubuntu-de
[04:27] <flipy> anyone know where can I get the moodle-1.5 debian package?
[04:28] <skoop> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[04:28] <Einhoernchen> wtf..
[04:28] <mindspin> wait einhorn I#ll have a look
[04:28] <Einhoernchen> ok
[04:28] <Einhoernchen> mindspin, query me plz
[04:28] <rizla_> i'd like to set my connection usincg a static ip
[04:28] <rizla_> my router ip is 192.168.1.1
[04:29] <rizla_> what ip have i to set?
[04:29] <Einhoernchen> ehh
[04:29] <Einhoernchen> what u want to do?
[04:29] <martii> rizla_: depending on netmask
[04:29] <Einhoernchen> with your router
[04:29] <martii> rizla_: if its 255.255.255.0 you can set 192.168.1.100
[04:29] <rizla_> i don't want to use dhcp, but a static ip Einhoernchen
[04:30] <rizla_> ok, i'm going to try, thanx martii
[04:30] <thoreauputic> stavrosg[off] : PLEASE turn that bloody auto away off - it's irritating
[04:31] <daba> thoreauputic is now know as again you beat me to exactly what I was doing...
[04:32] <rizla_> martii, it doesn't work :(
[04:33] <rizla_> martii, it doesn't work
[04:33] <martii> rizla_: you gave me no more info
[04:33] <rizla_> netmask automatically set itself when i set the ip
[04:34] <martii> rizla_: you can change it
[04:34] <martii> rizla_: what does router config say
[04:34] <daba> rizla, in the file called /etc/network/interfaces
[04:34] <daba> go and change the dhcp dynamic to static
[04:34] <Newinubuntu> i need help with my monitor, somebody can help me?
[04:35] <daba> or even through the gnome menu in networking.
[04:35] <daba> set a static IP there, and your router should respect that.
[04:35] <Newinubuntu> my problem is that the sistem load, but when is the part of put the login, the monitor turn off
[04:35] <rizla_> it's what i'm triing to do
[04:36] <Newinubuntu> somebody can help me with that?
[04:36] <Fator_Dee> Newinubuntu: you propably have a misconfigured xorg.conf
[04:36] <rizla_> but qhen i set as ip static.. i don't know what ip i have to set
[04:36] <daba> rizla_: did you try using System>Admin>networking?
[04:36] <Fator_Dee> Newinubuntu: are you now in the comp?
[04:36] <daba> 192.168.0.2, or something
[04:36] <Fator_Dee> Newinubuntu: or are you dualbooting
[04:36] <daba> do an ifcofig now, and set it to the same one you have now.
[04:36] <daba> ifconfig
[04:37] <Fator_Dee> Newinubuntu: please don't msg, so that others can help you too
[04:37] <rizla_> yes, daba
[04:37] <Newinubuntu> yesm i have two operative system
[04:37] <Newinubuntu> ubuntu and linux
[04:38] <daba> :)
[04:38] <raDeon> linux isn't an operative system
[04:38] <GNAM> auduauduas
[04:38] <Newinubuntu> yesterday i ask the same topic and somebody told me that maybe the ubuntu is a screen mode and that i try put shift
[04:38] <GNAM> the standard menate
[04:38] <Newinubuntu> or ctrl + alt + f1
[04:38] <Fator_Dee> Newinubuntu: do you have terminal open in ubuntu?
[04:39] <Newinubuntu> but it's not solution
[04:39] <GNAM> tell me an example of OS?
[04:39] <GNAM> OS linux-based
[04:39] <GNAM> audsuaua
[04:39] <GNAM> NO ONE!
[04:39] <foreach> ...
[04:39] <thoreauputic> GNAM: go away
[04:39] <Newinubuntu> no because i can't login in ubuntu
[04:39] <GNAM> .
[04:40] <Fator_Dee> Newinubuntu: press alt+ctrl+f1
[04:40] <Fator_Dee> Newinubuntu: so that you get a terminal, and then login
[04:40] <Newinubuntu> but the monitor in this moment turn off
[04:41] <Fator_Dee> turn it on?
[04:41] <dooglus> does anyone understand what "IRQ" numbers mean on the PC?
[04:41] <skoop> Newinubuntu: make sure your power cable for your computer is plugged into the wall socket
[04:41] <skoop> dooglus: hardware interrupt numbers
[04:42] <rizla_> ok, it works
[04:42] <danko123456> so, why is it that when you say, apt-get install it gets the dependencies, and when you apt-get remove, it only removes the specific package?
[04:42] <rizla_> i forgot to set gateway :P
[04:42] <raDeon> dooglus, does anyone not undesrstand what "IRQ" numbers are
[04:42] <danko123456> rizla_: yup, like a charm:)
[04:42] <skoop> danko123456: because maybe those packages are also used by other packages?
[04:42] <rizla_> :)
[04:43] <danko123456> skoop: good answer.
[04:43] <bob2> danko123456: how could apt know if you want the dependencies for othe reasons or not?
[04:43] <dooglus> raDeon, skoop: when I "cat /proc/interrupts", those numbers in the first column are the IRQ numbers, right?
[04:43] <Fator_Dee> danko123456: I think it was an app called deborphan to remove packages not used by any program
[04:43] <danko123456> thanks.
[04:43] <bob2> danko123456: if you use aptitude, then it does actually track *why* a package was installed, so it can do exactly what you asked
[04:43] <rizla_> i promised "never more, never more.." then "ok, just another one.." and these are the results! :)
[04:43] <bob2> (reason #4234 why you should use aptitude)
[04:43] <danko123456> bob2: should I use it then? again a new thing to learn:(
[04:43] <danko123456> dont answer.
[04:44] <Newinubuntu> no, not work
[04:44] <bob2> danko123456: sudo aptitude install blah
[04:44] <bob2> danko123456: sudo aptitude remove blah
[04:44] <dooglus> raDeon?
[04:44] <raDeon> what
[04:44] <bob2> danko123456: congrat's, you've learnt it ;p
[04:44] <dooglus> about the IRQ numbers.  I have a whole lot of stuff hanging off IRQ 11.
[04:44] <raDeon> how should i know i dont use linux
[04:44] <danko123456> :) sudo aptitude search sudo aptitude update?
[04:44] <linukso> bob2: wouldn'
[04:44] <dooglus> is that just the way the PC is wired?  or can I ask some of the kit to use a different IRQ?
[04:45] <bob2> danko123456: search is an apt-cache thing
[04:45] <raDeon> dooglus, the IRQs are assigned not wired
[04:45] <skoop> ok, when I run ptal-init setup it recognizes my printer, but when I then add a printer in the gnome-cups-manager it says 'PTAL device not found'
[04:45] <dooglus> 'cos at the moment, all the things on IRQ 11 die after a minute or an hour
[04:45] <skoop> anyone know why?
[04:45] <bob2> danko123456: there's also a full-screen terminal mode for aptitude, "sudo aptitude", which is much like synaptic
[04:45] <danko123456> bob2: so I cant search with aptitude? well no biggie, yeah, I saw that one...how about update?
[04:45] <dooglus> raDeon: so how can I re-assign some of the 11's to be 5, say (I have nothing on IRQ 5)
[04:45] <raDeon> dooglus, in the case of expansion cards you can move them around into different slots
[04:45] <danko123456> just use apt-get update, I guess would work.
[04:45] <bob2> danko123456: update, yes
[04:45] <raDeon> perhaps you could also configure that in your BIOS
[04:45] <danko123456> thankks, good to kno.
[04:45] <bob2> danko123456: remember, you can't search with apt-get, either
[04:46] <linukso> bob2: wouldn't it be a better solution if dpkg or apt-get stored the programs I actually asked to install in a db, and not the deps?
[04:46] <dooglus> raDeon: it's the pcmcia port and the ethernet port which seem to be fighting
[04:46] <danko123456> yeah, I knew that...8-)
[04:46] <bob2> danko123456: duh me, aptitude search blah works
[04:46] <raDeon> very interesting
[04:46] <danko123456> heh, see I told you, man, you should learn from the pros...
[04:46] <bob2> linukso: dpkg doesn't even know how to get other packages, it's a low-level tool like rpm
[04:46] <thoreauputic> linukso: you're welcome to offer patches for apt ;)
[04:46] <dooglus> raDeon: so how are IRQ numbers assigned?
[04:47] <raDeon> i wish i could help you dooglus but i'm afraid i'm not very knowledgable in this area
[04:47] <bob2> linukso: apt-get was just meant as a demo program for libapt, aptitude or synaptic are what people should be using anyway
[04:47] <elvis> i seem to be stuck - no pdf docs will display in firefox -looks like the plugin is there -??
[04:47] <dooglus> (I just spent a few hours trying various combinations of kernel parameters, but got nowhere much)
[04:47] <linukso> bob2: that is the way gentoo's emerge tool does it.
[04:47] <bob2> linukso: what is the way?
[04:47] <dooglus> raDeon: sorry then.  that's why I was asking if anyone understood the IRQ number thingys
[04:47] <raDeon> everyone does
[04:47] <raDeon> except you.
[04:48] <dooglus> and you?
[04:48] <raDeon> no, i understand just fine
[04:48] <danko123456> ha, he is joking, dooglus.
[04:48] <raDeon> i just dont know how to assign irqs in linux
[04:48] <danko123456> has a weird sense of humor...
[04:48] <raDeon> im a windows man myself
[04:48] <raDeon> danko123456, am i?
[04:48] <danko123456> yes, you are... .
[04:48] <Crono5788> Anyone know of a good LAN connection howto/tutorial/whatever?
[04:48] <raDeon> oh
[04:48] <thoreauputic> raDeon: erm - what brings you here then?
[04:49] <raDeon> thoreauputic, chillin'
[04:49] <raDeon> waiting for my ubuntu cds
[04:49] <raDeon> in the mail
[04:49] <raDeon> fresh from africa
[04:49] <Crono5788> Somebody love me please
[04:50] <danko123456> ?
[04:50] <Crono5788> Is there any sort of documentation anywhere?
[04:50] <Crono5788> Internet connections on LAN?
[04:50] <raDeon> Crono5788, www.tldp.org
[04:50] <Crono5788> Woah
[04:50] <Crono5788> Cool
[04:50] <ccc> hmm, my dvd won't eject. what's up with that device is busy stuff?
[04:50] <danko123456> bob2: I have a question you may not know how to answer, but I am asking, and I dont know why I typed this much and am still typing with no question... Ok, check this out. I install xfce, then I install xfce4 , then I uninstall xfce4  and now I login to xfce session again, and there it looks exactly like xfce4...wassup?:) no serious, am I in xfce, or xfce4 or what is the whole deal?
[04:51] <_hp_> danko123456: remove all xfce packages in synaptic and try again
[04:51] <danko123456> um...:(
[04:51] <linukso> bob2: if I install app A, and it depends on lib B, both are installed but only app A is added to the list of installed apps, so that is app A is removed in the future, lib B will be recognized as orphant unless any other app depends on it, and removed....
[04:51] <danko123456> serious?
[04:51] <dooglus> hmmm - perhaps I can set up some IRQ numbers in the BIOS - didn't think of that.
[04:51] <thoreauputic> danko123456: xfce4 is a meta package I'd say
[04:51] <elvis> still stuck with the pdf problem acrobat is intalled
[04:51] <danko123456> so what can I do about it, do what _hp_ said?
[04:52] <danko123456> elvis: what pdf problem?
[04:52] <danko123456> you want to edit pdfs? I told you that is not something that is done... or is it?
[04:52] <danko123456> or maybe you are a diff person...
[04:52] <thoreauputic> danko123456: apt-cache show xfce4 >> This package is a pseudo meta package:
[04:52] <elvis> in firefox no pdf's will display
[04:52] <linukso> bob2: danko123456's problem is exactly what I am talking about
[04:53] <danko123456> elvis, download them, and view them in evince, or xpdf
[04:54] <elvis> I'll give it a try -thanks
[04:54] <danko123456> I mean, why wait for adobe to load its plugin, and why use adobe in linux... two stupuid questions, that I always ask when someone uses AA.
[04:54] <danko123456> welcome.
[04:54] <thoreauputic> linukso: and he already told you aptitude solves it
[04:54] <danko123456> thoreauputic: so, do what about what I am doing?
[04:54] <mvirkkil>  Is there any quick and easy way to get X working in breezy?
[04:54] <mvirkkil> I mean the command line rules, but so does a 1600x1200 desktop ;)
[04:54] <linukso> thoreauputic: hmmm, maybe I'm totaly lost... thought aptitude was just a frontend to apt-get.
[04:55] <danko123456> yes, but it also has that dfeature.
[04:55] <bob2> linukso: yes, that's what aptitude does
[04:55] <danko123456> but I installed thuis with apt-get already, what can I do?
[04:55] <bob2> people just need to get into the habit of using it instead of apt-get
[04:55] <linukso> mvirkkil: get hoary... :) I am enjoying my 1600x1200 desktop as we speak.
[04:56] <danko123456> thanks for telling us.
[04:56] <linukso> bob2: but isn't one problem with apt-get that there is no way of removing packages that are no longer needed?
[04:56] <mvirkkil> linukso: I had hoary
[04:56] <bob2> danko123456: xfce in ubuntu hoary is not the same as xfce4
[04:56] <danko123456> Ill do what _hp_ said, good idea.
[04:56] <bob2> linukso: no
[04:56] <sipefree> hello, can somebody answer me a simple question about synaptic package manager? if I install a package, for arguments sake lets say the armagetron game, where is the executable to run? synaptic says it is installed, but a search on the filesystem returns no results on the file. in other words, where does synaptic install apps? i am very much a newb at linux, and am used to mac os x where everything is in the Applications folder.
[04:57] <bob2> linukso: isn't a problem that my toaster can't bake cakes?
[04:57] <danko123456> ok, Ill try removing everything that has xfce in it, can you run aptitude outside x? right?
[04:57] <bob2> danko123456: of course
[04:57] <bob2> linukso: aptitude and synaptic are supposed to be the user frontend to apt
[04:58] <danko123456> you shoulldve made a better metaphore, I dont find this one to be exact, Ill make you one.
[04:58] <linukso> bob2: if you got a new toaster, that needed 20 xtra devices to work, and you wanted to get rid of the toaster, but the 20xtra devs remained, I'd say you had a problem...
[04:58] <AevaD> do you think its smart for me to install linux on my computer if i have no idea what anything means?
[04:58] <bob2> linukso: you're missing my point
[04:58] <whitti> sipefree, To check where they are, right click on the package->Properties->Installed Files
[04:58] <danko123456> linukso: listen to what is being said.
[04:58] <rickard> what program can I use to rip an entire cd down to an iso image?
[04:58] <thoreauputic> linukso: I think you missed the point of the analogy
[04:58] <thoreauputic> :)
[04:58] <danko123456> apt-get is just a back end, a part of the whole picture, use aptitude from now on, and you will see yourr wishes fullfilled.
[04:58] <bob2> linukso: apt-get doesn't do lots of things, but it';s not meant to.  it's a medium-level package manegment tool, not the high-level one you should be using.
[04:59] <danko123456> or middle end.
[04:59] <danko123456> whatever, dpkg is backend I guess.
[04:59] <danko123456> anyhow,. let me think of how to put the metaphore.
[04:59] <sipefree> thanks whitti
[04:59] <linukso> bob2: ok, I get it... Sorry to bother.
[04:59] <bob2> linukso: np
[04:59] <bob2> sorry for not being clearer
[04:59] <danko123456> :)
[04:59] <danko123456> ubuntu hug!!
[05:00] <danko123456> lol
[05:00] <whitti> sipefree, no problem
[05:00] <thoreauputic> AevaD: read the ubuntulinux.org website and the wikis etc to learn a bit more
[05:00] <danko123456> AevaD: it is somewhat very similar to windows, if you can get someone to set everything up for you, after that you can use it just like you would windows.
[05:01] <linukso> bob2: allways thought apt-get/aptitude/synaptic was on the same level :) (learn something new every day...)
[05:01] <AevaD> yea i use blackbox for windows, so im used to how to use it, but mainly, just i have no idea how to sintall it
[05:01] <danko123456> ok, so, is it a problem that my oven always burns my cakes? that is a better metaphore, I think...well, not really...
[05:02] <danko123456> install is simple, the configuration after that is a little tricky, but, I mean, if you ahve two comps, and can get to this channel somehow, usually ppl get their issues solved.
[05:03] <raDeon> HAHAHA TWO COMPS
[05:03] <AevaD> do i have to burn the install cd on a disk or can i run it from windows
[05:03] <AevaD> yea i have a second comp
[05:03] <yonil> Q: How do i stop my apache server from running ?
[05:03] <danko123456> yeah, a cd...
[05:03] <skoop> A: apachectl stop
[05:03] <thoreauputic> AevaD: you burn it as an image (ISO)
[05:03] <danko123456> sudo apache stop maybe.
[05:04] <skoop> apachectl controls apache
[05:04] <yonil> skoop, i dont have apachestl
[05:04] <yonil> its apache2
[05:04] <AevaD> should i get the sintall cd or live one(im assuming install)
[05:04] <linukso> apache2ctl
[05:04] <danko123456> sudo apache2 stop
[05:04] <AevaD> install*
[05:04] <thoreauputic> yonil: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop
[05:04] <thoreauputic> AevaD: the install CD
[05:04] <skoop> ah, bah, I'm used to apachectl being in the path ;)
[05:04] <raDeon> stop crashing me
[05:04] <yonil> thoreauputic, thanks
[05:05] <danko123456> skoop: ah, bah...;)
[05:05] <skoop> ARGH! everything should work fine, yet printing is still out of the question
[05:05] <skoop> remind me to never ever upgrade anything anymore ;)
[05:06] <dooglus> i don't think synaptic will remove dependancies either though
[05:06] <thoreauputic> bye all
[05:06] <AevaD> if i install ubunto will i lose windows and all the files?
[05:06] <skoop> bye thoreauputic
[05:06] <ccc> hello. anyone know the command to see which processes are using what devices? i can't eject my dvd cause it's "busy" (with something, i wanna know what).
[05:07] <dooglus> ccc: fuser
[05:07] <IIIEars_Google> thoreauputic is a great guy.
[05:09] <ccc> dooglus: thanks!
[05:09] <dooglus> s'ok :)
[05:10] <danko123456> hes ok, I guess...:-/
[05:10] <danko123456> :)
[05:10] <danko123456> I hate having to learn new stuff.
[05:10] <danko123456> Liek this aptitude, I dont even know how to mark a package to remove it...
[05:10] <Echelon-H> Hi, can anyone help me with hebrew in openoffice?
[05:11] <Echelon-H> I tried to install the hebrew package and it all went good, but now I still can't see hebrew.
[05:11] <IIIEars> "" - only 5 weeks using linux a lot to learn yet.
[05:11] <raDeon> je parle hebrew
[05:11] <Echelon-H> raDeon, lol?
[05:11] <Fator_Dee> Echelon-H: maybe you have to enable it from somewhere in open office?
[05:11] <Fator_Dee> Echelon-H: options, preferences, etc
[05:12] <dooglus> Echelon-H: I think you have to specify the "--lang" option when you run it
[05:12] <Echelon-H> Fator_Dee, tried, no use. and it seems like I DO have hebrew fonts, but when im trying to switch to hebrew it can't find the fonts
[05:12] <AevaD> if i have win xp sintalled and i install ubunto, do i have to format my harddrive or do i not lose any files
[05:12] <Echelon-H> dooglus, ii'll try
[05:12] <Fator_Dee> AevaD: depends
[05:12] <Echelon-H> dooglus, what's the command for open office writer?
[05:12] <ozamosi> I got two soundcards. Ubuntu uses the wrong one. How do I change soundcard permanently?
[05:12] <AevaD> i only have 1 harddrive
[05:12] <Fator_Dee> AevaD: if you have unpartitioned space, ubuntu can use that
[05:13] <ozamosi> Echelon-H, that should be oowriter
[05:13] <danko123456> ozamosi: disable one in bios
[05:13] <AevaD> whats that mean?
[05:13] <dooglus> /usr/bin/oowriter
[05:13] <AevaD> like it splits the harddrive up?
[05:13] <danko123456> AevaD: means you dont ghave that.
[05:13] <AevaD> yea i didnt think i did
[05:14] <danko123456> AevaD: if you have partition magic, you can create a partition, I suggest a backup complete format
[05:14] <ozamosi> danko123456, well, i could, but there has to be some other way... I can change it (never remembers how though), but it reverts at reboot...
[05:14] <IIIEars> AeVad - get some info on grub and the grub menu.lst - also how to edit grub on boot. http://ubuntuguide..org
[05:14] <danko123456> ozamosi: I would disable it in bios, I heard that recommended several times:)
[05:15] <danko123456> IIIEars: not really:)
[05:15] <danko123456> AevaD: do you want to keep a dual boot with your windows?
[05:15] <IIIEars> Opps ".." - bad python ba-ad script. - lol
[05:15] <dooglus> AevaD: this: http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootitng.html is good at moving all your windows stuff to one end of the disk and making some space for a new linux partition.  it's the only thing that I found would work for me.
[05:16] <AevaD> i dont mind formatting windows
[05:16] <AevaD> but arent there things thta can only be done with windows?
[05:16] <Echelon-H> dooglus, nope, oowriter --lang won't help.
[05:16] <danko123456> but that is if you want to keep windows, I suggest removing them, just back up everything you need on that hard disk, and format everything.
[05:16] <dooglus> Echelon-H: sorry then - I don't know what else to suggest.
[05:16] <danko123456> AevaD: well, there are, yes, some, especially things taht are easier to do with windows.
[05:17] <danko123456> AevaD: if you want to keep windows, try what dooglus suggested.
[05:17] <Echelon-H> is there any support channel for openoffice?
[05:17] <danko123456> Im gonna spank aptitude...
[05:17] <IIIEars> Aevad - You won't have any problems then with a single os instll ubuntu is the smoothest.
[05:17] <Echelon-H> anyways, I don't know why but some applications won't accept hebrew. amule, openoffice and stuff. but gaim and gedit do.
[05:18] <AevaD> if i do dual boot i need to use http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootitng.html right
[05:19] <IIIEars> AeVad - erm - On board video using Intel i810 doesn't do Accel. - no Doom 3 for you or me. if you have one.
[05:19] <AevaD> and is there a way to get rid of windows after a while if i find that i dont need it?
[05:19] <fucko> oh, I've used that too (bootitng)
[05:19] <_hp_> AevaD: reformat the partition as ext3
[05:19] <fucko> it was rather useful
[05:20] <danko123456> now, why does sudo aptitude remove xfce4-* not remove anything?
[05:20] <danko123456> man aptitude?
[05:20] <IIIEars> Aevad - Did you mean remove the windows restore partition?
[05:20] <Crono5788> How would I get kernel sources onto Ubuntu?
[05:20] <AevaD> i think thats what i meant
[05:21] <Crono5788> Do they instal by default?
[05:21] <ted> does anyone know how to keep an intranet network running while dialing into an isp over a modem
[05:21] <Crono5788> I need the kernel sources to build my ethernet drivers...
[05:22] <Crono5788> Hello?
[05:22] <IIIEars> Aevad - I knew the feeling been using my old machine. not the 2.9ghz - still tho it might be easier to get a new inexpensive HD and park the M$ one on the shelf.
[05:22] <raDeon> Crono5788, www.kernel.org
[05:23] <anto9us> Crono5788: they are in the repositories
[05:23] <bob2> Crono5788: what ethernet driver?
[05:23] <pepsi> hi
[05:23] <Crono5788> For a Realtek
[05:24] <Crono5788> 8110S or so
[05:24] <IIIEars> << - needs a vid card. The i810 on board is awful.
[05:24] <pepsi> how can i be the most annoying?
[05:24] <bob2> pepsi: please don't
[05:24] <pepsi> bob2, :(
[05:24] <AevaD> id like to just get a new harddrive but i cant buy anything
[05:24] <bob2> Crono5788: are you sure ubuntu doesn't include that?
[05:25] <AevaD> so that means i have to dual boot on one harddrive right, so i need to use that partition thing
[05:25] <Crono5788> Relatively sure...
[05:25] <danko123456> pepsi: what?
[05:25] <danko123456> lol
[05:25] <Crono5788> Or at least I plugged my ethernet cord in and it doesn't work yet, this is my first day with Linux =X
[05:25] <bob2> Crono5788: ubuntu includes the amd8111e driver, is it that?
[05:25] <Crono5788> AMD?
[05:25] <Crono5788> I have an Intel chipset...
[05:25] <bob2> realtek seems to rebrand some stuff
[05:26] <REds> yes they do alot
[05:26] <kart_> how can i mount my windows partition every time when my ubuntu starts! I had to manually mount it and only root can access it!
[05:26] <bob2> kart_: put it in /etc/fstab
[05:26] <bob2> kart_: if you put umask=002 in the options field, then anyone can read it
[05:26] <Crono5788> So how do I set up the ethernet driver, then?
[05:26] <bob2> Crono5788: what does "lspci | grep Ether" print out?
[05:26] <kart_> bob2: thanks
[05:26] <danko123456> bob2: I learned how to use regexps with aptitude:)
[05:26] <danko123456> are you glad to hear that?
[05:26] <bob2> hah, cool
[05:27] <Crono5788> Hold on
[05:27] <danko123456> I mean... sudo aptitude remove xfce4-* does nothing, it is a diff syntax.
[05:27] <Crono5788> lspci | grep Ether is the whole command?
[05:27] <bob2> Crono5788: yes
[05:27] <disquiet> danko - thanks again for your help last night
[05:28] <danko123456> hey, disquiet:)
[05:28] <danko123456> ok, well, that didnt work as planned:) I remove everything with xfce4 in its name, and then I log in to xfce session, and I get gnome:-/
[05:28] <disquiet> how are y'all today?
[05:28] <Crono5788> Well hot dog
[05:28] <Crono5788> That's cool
[05:28] <danko123456> Im ok.
[05:28] <danko123456> still sick with a headache...not sure what it is...
[05:29] <disquiet> I had a headcahe for a week straight and couldn't figure it out... and now I'm not at work for 3 days and it's gone... interesting....
[05:29] <disquiet> it's the damn recirculated cubical air!
[05:29] <IIIEars> danko - did you backslide and sneak a few hours with Windows?
[05:30] <danko123456> :)
[05:30] <IIIEars> usorry to hear you aren't feeling well.
[05:30] <danko123456> I work on windows 2000:) well, Im fine...
[05:30] <bob2> disquiet: dehydration from ac does that to me
[05:30] <danko123456> yeah, but it does not last for days...
[05:31] <danko123456> and I have a cold, I think, some form...
[05:31] <danko123456> OT
[05:31] <disquiet> I had a migraine on a thursday and a friday, and my head still hurt by the next friday.
[05:31] <danko123456> :)
[05:31] <disquiet> I think I'm just allergic to my job
[05:31] <bob2> hah
[05:31] <tsw> I know I am :)
[05:31] <Amaranth> Anyone who wants to beta test the next version of Smeg, join #menueditor. First 5 to join get to test.
[05:31] <IIIEars> << - Caffeine migraines.
[05:31] <bob2> Amaranth: why don't you just tell everyone the url?
[05:31] <disquiet> no, seriously? my job bites and I'm disgustingly underpaid and too much is expected of me. Just like every other job in the world.
[05:32] <disquiet> BUT - they don't make me wear shoes.
[05:32] <Amaranth> bob2: It might break things.
[05:32] <Fator_Dee> disquiet: if you have an extremely long headache, you should consult your doctor
[05:32] <Amaranth> bob2: Plus #menueditor is where we talk about smeg stuff anyway.
[05:32] <bob2> Amaranth: so ask in the other channel and tell people they get to keep both pieces ;p
[05:32] <disquiet> Fator_Dee - I know it. I'm so lazy about going to the doctor.
[05:32] <anto9us> disquiet: sounds like work related stress might be the cause of your headache
[05:32] <IIIEars> Amaranth - Your app rocks!
[05:32] <Amaranth> bob2: It doesn't really. I just wanted more people to test first.
[05:32] <Fator_Dee> disquiet: well, I hope you know what the consequences could be :-\ your decision :-)
[05:33] <Amaranth>  We're just going to release pyxdg 0.12 and smeg 0.7 now.
[05:33] <jeroen_> what program?
[05:33] <disquiet> anto9us - I'm starting to think that. A little nagging pain just sets in as soon as I turn on my computer there.
[05:33] <anto9us> disquiet: might be worth checking the refresh rate if you have a CRT monitor too
[05:33] <disquiet> that's a good idea
[05:34] <disquiet> I didn't think this job would be as stressful as it turned out to be
[05:34] <yahalom> how do i edit my app menu thought .desktop
[05:34] <IIIEars> someone take pity on a new user. - Add drag and drop to md5sum5sum
[05:34] <disquiet> there's something wrong with a company when the lowest paid, lowest rung, has everything depending on them doing their job perfectly.
[05:35] <bob2> IIIEars:  I still don't get why you're doing it so often that you want a gui tool for it
[05:35] <yahalom> i went to ~/.local/share/applications but only a few things are listed
[05:35] <danko123456> bob2: I am aware of an issue where when you have lets say two NICs, and one interfaces a LAN, other interfaces Internet, if the LAN one has a gateway defined, you cant get online. How do you think we can go around that if the LAN is based on a router using DHCP? should we define the interface as static?
[05:35] <anto9us> disquiet: I find stress in work isn't caused by tasks (unless you're given impossible ones) but by the people and relationships
[05:35] <Fator_Dee> IIIEars: bah, heresy :-p
[05:35] <yahalom> cthulfuego, danko123456  it seems to work great now this dsl :)
[05:35] <yahalom> cthulfuego, danko123456  thanx
[05:35] <disquiet> anto9us - it's a combination of poor training, high expectations, and a big jerk in the credit department
[05:35] <IIIEars> bob2 - erm can you keep a secret? i am a closet p2p junkie.
[05:36] <Fator_Dee> IIIEars: I use md5sum often and never have longed for a gui, it just doesn't need one
[05:36] <bob2> danko123456: if the machine has two nics, one on the internet, one on a lan, it *is* a router
[05:36] <flipy> anyone know where can I find moodle 1.5 package for ubuntu/debian?
[05:36] <yahalom> how the heck would a blind person read this:  ?????
[05:36] <bob2> danko123456: defining a gateway on the lan interface makes no sense, the gateway is defined as "the next hop between you and the internet"
[05:36] <danko123456> nono... bob2, I am not asking for definitions:-p I mean, do you know what I am talking about?
[05:37] <IIIEars> There it's said i am so very ashamed. sought 12 step help for it. - pfft. nothing. (meetings were held online.
[05:37] <bob2> danko123456: I know of the problem, yes
[05:37] <yahalom> this is braille
[05:37] <anto9us> disquiet: there we go, you need to resolve the issues you have with the jerk in the credit department by the sounds of it. Show no fear ;)
[05:37] <danko123456> right, I know that exactly, but, if the LAN is working on a router, and set up for dhcp, it likely sets up a gateway entry...and we need to disable it to get online with the modem...
[05:38] <danko123456> good stuff, yahalom, glad it worked, as for blind ppl, there are programs that raead it out to them.
[05:38] <bob2> danko123456: why is your router configuring it's lan interface with dhcp?
[05:38] <yahalom> danko123456, but that would need braille?
[05:38] <bob2> yahalom: there are physical braille devices that raise bumps and lower the bumps under the persons fingers
[05:38] <disquiet> anto9us - I've figured out the problem. He loves me, hates the guy I work with, so makes it hard on us. If I call him directly, he's sweet as pie. I think he only likes girls.
[05:38] <Fator_Dee> yahalom: I blind person can still hear :-p
[05:38] <yahalom> bob2, woah. that scool!
[05:39] <yahalom> Fator_Dee, i just didnt know about those devices
[05:39] <bob2> danko123456: but yes, you do need to configure it so the internal interface doesn't have a gateway set, by either doing it statically, or telling the dhcp client to ignore the gateway information.
[05:39] <danko123456> bob2: its not my router...
[05:39] <IIIEars> Hm. being blind means never having to configure XORG. nothing wrong with that.
[05:39] <danko123456> bob2: I never almost have issues myself:)
[05:39] <anto9us> disquiet: sounds like alpha male syndrome :)
[05:39] <danko123456> well...
[05:40] <disquiet> anto9us - yep, and he's going to learn how to bow to me, the alpha female of the washington DC branch!
[05:40] <danko123456> bob2: how would I do option #2 is it easier than #1 I know how to do #1.
[05:40] <anto9us> disquiet: go girlfriend!!!
[05:40] <bob2> danko123456: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[05:40] <danko123456> and do what:)
[05:41] <disquiet> ok.... I need to get back to work on... uh... learning how linux works.
[05:41] <bob2> danko123456: the easiest option is to beat the network admin with a tyre iron
[05:41] <bob2> danko123456: read the file
[05:41] <danko123456> thanks
[05:41] <danko123456> network admin is this guy I am trying to help, I think:)
[05:41] <IIIEars> lol @ bob2
[05:41] <bob2> I would guess removing "routers" from the request list would be enough
[05:42] <ted> the network admin is me
[05:42] <ted> who is really a nuclear engineer with little knowledge of networks lol
[05:42] <danko123456> everything else is commented out here,. thanks, we wil try that.
[05:42] <bob2> ah
[05:42] <IIIEars> poor ted network admin in a windows world.
[05:42] <bob2> the interior interface really shouldn't be configuring itself via dhcp
[05:42] <danko123456> bob2: so use static, then smarter?
[05:43] <bob2> setting it statically is less hassle
[05:43] <bob2> and way less surprising for whoever has to admin it next
[05:43] <ted> bob2 but it is wireless network and my friends come over and use it from time to time, it would be a pain if I had to statically assign everyone
[05:43] <ted> it's at my house lol
[05:43] <max_ubuntu_noobi> im having a problem with my display i was wondering if any1 could maybe help me....
[05:43] <bob2> ted: sure, run a dhcp server
[05:43] <danko123456> ok, well, ted, lets do this, no, it will juststaticall y assign your comp
[05:44] <bob2> ted: but the router itself shouldn't be using dhcp
[05:44] <anto9us> max_ubuntu_noobi: just ask your question :)
[05:44] <ted> ok
[05:44] <danko123456> bob2, wow...
[05:44] <bob2> you can run the dhcp server on the router, that's fine
[05:44] <danko123456> would you like to epxlain to him what to do, bob2? he has taht issue, I ve talking bout.
[05:44] <ted> bob2 doesn't the router have too since it does the assigning of the ip adresses for the wirless connections?
[05:44] <ted> or am I missing something
[05:44] <max_ubuntu_noobi> i have an lcd display that does 1280x1024 native, but one that res i get fuzzy vertical lines across the display
[05:44] <bob2> the router runs a dhcp server
[05:45] <bob2> but does not use that dhcp server itself
[05:45] <danko123456> yeah...
[05:45] <danko123456> :) makes sense...
[05:45] <max_ubuntu_noobi> on 1024x768 it works fine
[05:45] <ted> correct
[05:45] <ted> the router has a static ip
[05:46] <anto9us> max_ubuntu_noobi: have you tried changing the number of colours for that resolution?
[05:46] <bob2> so why was danko123456's original question about using dhclient on the internal interface?
[05:46] <max_ubuntu_noobi> no
[05:46] <ted> I don't know
[05:46] <max_ubuntu_noobi> how do i do that? xorg.conf?
[05:46] <anto9us> max_ubuntu_noobi: yes
[05:46] <bob2> ted: what's the problem you're having then?
[05:46] <max_ubuntu_noobi> im running a live cd
[05:46] <danko123456> bob2: maybe you misunderstood, or maybe I did.
[05:46] <ted> my question to him, was how to keep my eth0 connection running when I dialup to my isp
[05:46] <anto9us> max_ubuntu_noobi: aah, I don't know then
[05:47] <danko123456> I bet I was right, tho...
[05:47] <danko123456> :-p
[05:47] <ted> bob2 right now I have to disable eth0 to dialup otherwise all the apps try to find the DNS sever etc over eth0
[05:47] <max_ubuntu_noobi> well thanks anyway
[05:47] <ted> I tried setting make dialup default thinking that is what that option did, but no luck
[05:47] <bob2> ted: show us /etc/network/interfaces
[05:47] <bob2> (in #flood)
[05:47] <danko123456> http://pastebin.com/292222
[05:47] <danko123456> ^^
[05:48] <ted> yeah
[05:48] <max_ubuntu_noobi> the gnome tool for changing res doesnt have any color options
[05:48] <ted> dankos link
[05:48] <anto9us> max_ubuntu_noobi: you could still try editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf and then restart x with crtl-alt-backspace
[05:48] <bob2> ted: so, you have a dhcp server running somewhere else?
[05:48] <max_ubuntu_noobi> cool ill try that
[05:49] <ted> yes
[05:49] <ted> but it is disabled since I am on the internet
[05:49] <bob2> ?
[05:49] <ted> or well the eth0 is to be precise
[05:49] <Crane> hello
[05:50] <anto9us> max_ubuntu_noobi: my flat screen, it's a laptop, has to be 24 bit colour
[05:50] <danko123456> bob2: just get his interfaces to use a staticx IP in the range after 192.168.1.100 and not ahve a gateway defined...
[05:50] <ted> to connect to the isp over the dialup I have to disable the eht0 connection
[05:50] <bob2> danko123456: yes
[05:50] <bob2> this is a very odd network setup
[05:51] <ted>  why is it odd?
[05:51] <bob2> danko123456: make sure the ip you assign is outside the range the dhcp server is handing out
[05:51] <danko123456> why do you say, ine is the same as that, I have a LAN with a static IP, and pppoe...
[05:51] <danko123456> why outside??
[05:51] <bob2> danko123456: eh?
[05:51] <max_ubuntu_noobi> xorg.conf is a bit confusing. it lists all resolutions for every color depth
[05:51] <danko123456> bob2: you do it, I dont kno how.
[05:51] <bob2> danko123456: because otherwise you might get two machines with the same IP
[05:51] <max_ubuntu_noobi> how do i know which one is the default?
[05:51] <bob2> which is bad
[05:51] <Uzzi> hi,who know a solution for aic7xxx bug?
[05:51] <snowseal> how to play mp3-radio or streaming windows media?
[05:51] <bob2> snowseal: mplayer
[05:51] <danko123456> bob2: yeah, it would not be good:)
[05:52] <danko123456> is it gonna work, then?
[05:52] <bob2> danko123456: why do you guys have a seperate dhcp server?
[05:52] <bob2> danko123456: if you assign an ip outside the dhcp range, yes
[05:52] <ted> Thanks for the help I have to run, somewhere I have to be
[05:52] <danko123456> is the router gonna give that IP if he does not give out those?
[05:52] <ted> because one is for my internal network the other is assigned my the dialup server
[05:52] <mdke> did the guy who was on here yesterday with that gpg error on the ubuntu archives resolve the problem? got another guy reporting the same thing in #ubuntu-it
[05:52] <anto9us> max_ubuntu_noobi: try to delete the ones you don't want
[05:52] <danko123456> bob2: well, see, he had to go:) anyhow, I dont have a dhcp server I use a huib
[05:52] <danko123456> ted, just a sec, tho
[05:53] <ted> ok
[05:53] <bob2> ok, you guys are very confusing
[05:53] <max_ubuntu_noobi> Section "Screen"
[05:53] <max_ubuntu_noobi> 	Identifier	"Default Screen"
[05:53] <max_ubuntu_noobi> 	Device		"Intel Corporation 82815 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] "
[05:53] <max_ubuntu_noobi> 	Monitor		"TXLCD17JAGBL"
[05:53] <max_ubuntu_noobi> 	DefaultDepth	24
[05:53] <ted> bob2 how would you suggest to setup an internal wireless network and have to use dialup to connect to the internet then?
[05:53] <danko123456> ted: try this: http://pastebin.com/292239 as your /etc/network/interfaces
[05:53] <ted> I am will admit that networking is a weakness of mine
[05:54] <max_ubuntu_noobi> i should be doing 24bit already no?
[05:54] <danko123456> bob2: well, to me you are more confusing, I asked you a specific question every time, and you came back with an explanation... of internal, and external DHCP, and that...but, thanks, I appreciate it.
[05:55] <bob2> danko123456: your question made no sense
[05:55] <bob2> and didn't end with a question mark
[05:55] <bob2> or explain the network architecture
[05:55] <ted> thanks danko I will try that later, I have to run now, Thanks bob2
[05:55] <anto9us> max_ubuntu_noobi: first of all, don't paste in here, use #flood... and yes it looks like you're on 24 bit, but that could be the problem, maybe you need a different colour depth
[05:55] <danko123456> ok, well, Ill try harder nex time:)
[05:55] <danko123456> I cant get that xfce thing to use xfce instead of xfce4, tho...
[05:56] <max_ubuntu_noobi> ok sorry
[05:56] <internet1> hello, cannot h ave audio working
[05:56] <anto9us> max_ubuntu_noobi: other options could be 15, 16 and 32
[05:56] <bob2> ted: the setup I used to use was this: a single machine with a modem and an ethernet card.  it ran a dhcp server on the ethernet interface, which clients could use.  the modem was the default route, and things outside the local net were just inaccessible when the link was down.
[05:56] <internet1> anybodycan helko me?
[05:56] <bob2> internet1: try #ubuntu-it
[05:56] <internet1> anybody can help me.
[05:57] <internet1> sorry, i am in trouble position.
[05:57] <danko123456>  /join #ubuntu-it that is fine,
[05:57] <Ubuntian> M$ stole our logo :-/ http://www.im2.com/
[05:57] <Uzzi> hi,who know a solution for aic7xxx bug?
[05:57] <danko123456> bob2: ok, well, do you wanna discuss what you just said, and the whole network setup thing I was talking about?
[05:57] <mdke> nice pass bob2 ;)
[05:58] <snowseal> yess bob2 thanx it works
[05:58] <Fackamato> hi
[05:58] <danko123456> hey
[05:58] <Fackamato> i'm trying to get a labtec webcam to work (identifies as logitech with lsusb)
[05:58] <Fackamato> but the correct module isn't autoloaded
[05:58] <bob2> danko123456: anpther time, it's 2am and I've been up since 0800
[05:58] <Fackamato> and I've loadaed every usb and media module and I still don't get a /dev/video1 device (video0 is my tv carD)
[05:58] <Fackamato> any idea?S
[05:59] <dell500> is IM2 free??
[05:59] <danko123456> k
[05:59] <Ubuntian> dell500, dunno
[05:59] <Ubuntian> dell500, i think so
[06:00] <danko123456> anything is free (mopney wise) if you steal it, and never get caught.
[06:00] <dell500> ya, but what if you get caught?
[06:00] <danko123456> then it is not free.
[06:00] <danko123456> you pay a lot more...
[06:00] <dell500> lol
[06:00] <dell500> good philosophy
[06:00] <Ubuntian> can u believe they stole that logo?
[06:00] <Fator_Dee> don't get caught :-p
[06:01] <danko123456> who stole what logo?
[06:01] <Ubuntian> microsoft! they stole the ubuntu logo http://www.im2.com/
[06:01] <danko123456> I bought the most f**in expensive thermometer at a shoppersdrug mart, and it totally reaks, I mean it shows my temperature as something I know it is not...
[06:02] <danko123456> what is im2?
[06:02] <snowseal> how to get the media associatons right? i got a new gmplayer build.
[06:02] <Ubuntian> internet messenger 2
[06:02] <danko123456> ha
[06:02] <Fator_Dee> instant messager 2 or something like that
[06:02] <Jelte> hi all.. just a quick question:  how/where do change my default PATH?  i want to add a directory to it, but i can't see where i should do this
[06:02] <Fator_Dee> oh
[06:02] <danko123456> wow
[06:02] <danko123456> awesome
[06:02] <Uzzi> hi
[06:02] <skoop> heh, indeed, the im2 logo looks a lot like the ubuntu logo
[06:02] <danko123456> well, there are several logos on the same thing...but, they stole gaim...:-p
[06:02] <Fator_Dee> Jelte: ~/.bashrc
[06:03] <AevaD> how do i dual boot win xp and ubunto on one harddrive
[06:03] <m4lc0m> Hi all!
[06:03] <AevaD> i dont have ubunto installed yet
[06:03] <Fator_Dee> Jelte: argh, make that ~/.bash_profile
[06:03] <danko123456> hey m4lc0m, and Uzzi.
[06:03] <mindspin> got space on your disk?
[06:04] <Uzzi> who know a solution for aic7xxx bug?
[06:04] <dell500> im2 is powered by ms??
[06:04] <Ali_Baba> AevaD:just install Ubuntu,it should work ok :)
[06:04] <Ubuntian> look at this: http://img170.echo.cx/my.php?image=medbucketright10jf.jpg
[06:04] <danko123456> Jelte: as well, you can use /etc/bash.bashrc and append a line similar to this, export PATH=$PATH:/dir/folder
[06:05] <snowseal> AevaD,  create free unpartitioned space after the windows partition. then put in the ubuntu instal cd. ;)
[06:05] <mindspin> but he needs space on the HD
[06:05] <AevaD> dont i have to partition my harddrive or something?
[06:05] <Jelte> Fator_Dee, danko123456, thanks!
[06:05] <Ali_Baba> AevaD:make a linux partiton for Ubuntu.
[06:05] <AevaD> yea how do i unpartiton some space
[06:05] <mindspin> you have if there is no space left
[06:05] <Einhoernchen> mindspin, didn't u want to work? ;)
[06:05] <dell500> has anyone here installed an ATI 3d accelerated card successfully??
[06:05] <mindspin> einhoernchen ,I am working
[06:05] <Einhoernchen> heh
[06:06] <Einhoernchen> ok ;)
[06:06] <Einhoernchen> lol
[06:06] <AevaD> i still haver like 50 gigs left on my harddrive
[06:06] <mindspin> just keeping an eye on this window
[06:06] <snowseal> AevaD,  by resizing your current partition. i use partition magic for it. but there are alternatives i guess.
[06:06] <dell500> wow, Ubuntian you're so right lol
[06:07] <Amaranth> Smeg 0.7 released! Great new features in this one. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38183
[06:07] <AevaD> do i have to buy partiton magic?
[06:08] <IIIEars> Avead - Bah pay $$ i have never paid for "IT" in my life try qtparted on a knoppix live CD.
[06:08] <danko123456> AevaD: yes...
[06:08] <mindspin> yep
[06:08] <danko123456> unless you steal it and dont get caught.
[06:08] <AevaD> lol
[06:09] <AevaD> yea looks like thats what ill have to do unless there are free alternatives
[06:09] <IIIEars> need a free tool to burn iso's on windows? - try "ISO Burner Powertoy" by Alex Feinman.
[06:09] <danko123456> I mentioned this concept earlier...
[06:09] <IIIEars> no adware no hassles.
[06:11] <IIIEars> A'course linux has cdrecord and k3b, gnomebaker and others on on most live CDs
[06:11] <m4lc0m> can anyone help me with this?  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=37901
[06:12] <Einhoernchen> brb
[06:12] <Fator_Dee> Amaranth: ooh, aah, XFCE support, how well it handles that?
[06:13] <Amaranth> Fator_Dee: Well, as long as XFCE complies with the menu spec the only problem you might have is smeg showing the wrong icons for things you haven't editted.
[06:13] <Fator_Dee> ^_^
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[06:14] <max_ubuntu_noobi> its working fine now at 16bit
[06:14] <max_ubuntu_noobi> thanks heaps!
[06:14] <fucko> hidey ho... ah, what is a good place to start, when you install ubuntu on a laptop and the sound doesn't work?
[06:14] <iceman> Any one know where you can find a complete pakag elist for ubutnu ....
[06:14] <mindspin> ubuntuforums
[06:15] <Fator_Dee> fucko: logfiles too, dmesg, etc
[06:15] <IIIEars> max_ubuntu_noobi - We got ya now. you got to stay and help. - lol - wide grin.
[06:15] <Amaranth> iceman: For main, restricted, multiverse, and universe? You can pull the Packages.gz files off the server.
[06:15] <max_ubuntu_noobi> hehhe
[06:15] <Amaranth> fucko: Can you change your nick please?
[06:15] <iceman> Amaranth just apt-get that file
[06:15] <mindspin> ;-)
[06:16] <Zodiac> hello all
[06:16] <fucko> makes no difference to me
[06:16] <IIIEars> xlnt idea  :)
[06:16] <Amaranth> iceman: No, you have to go to http://archive.ubuntu.com and find the files.
[06:16] <danko123456> fucko: haha, check out the forums, ubuntuforums.org, they have sound issues, there..
[06:16] <Zodiac> What is the name of the package for the mozilla java plugin?
[06:16] <Amaranth> fucko: It does to me, please change it.
[06:16] <neiras> Anyone know if we'll be getting inotify-enabled kernels and reiser3 with extended attributes any time soon?
[06:16] <fucko> one moment please
[06:16] <Amaranth> Zodiac: That's a part of installing Java, the wiki explains how to do it.
[06:16] <Zodiac> Got a link dog?
[06:17] <neiras> dog?
[06:17] <Amaranth> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
[06:17] <danko123456> www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/java
[06:17] <Zodiac> ha ha fucko, nice name b
[06:17] <Zodiac> danke!
[06:17] <danko123456> yeah, dog, its slang...
[06:17] <danko123456> like, YO...
[06:17] <neiras> y0 y0 h0m13
[06:17] <IIIEars> neiras sends a newb to google - lol
[06:17] <neiras> l4m4z
[06:17] <danko123456> yeaha...
[06:17] <Zodiac> but, you should pronounce it "dawg"
[06:17] <Zodiac> not dog
[06:17] <danko123456> haha
[06:17] <danko123456> lol
[06:17] <danko123456> man, :)
[06:17] <Zodiac> come now
[06:17] <neiras> god.
[06:17] <Zodiac> We must be proper with our slang
[06:18] <goldfish> Indeed.
[06:18] <max_ubuntu_noobi> someone's watching too much american idol
[06:18] <IIIEars> lol
[06:18] <Zodiac> ha!
[06:18] <danko123456> :)
[06:18] <Zodiac> I take offense
[06:18] <mindspin> what app is american idol?
[06:18] <goldfish> VV3 4R3 N0+ (001 3N0UG|-|.
[06:18] <goldfish> Apparantly.
[06:19] <Zodiac> ugh I hate non-free status
[06:19] <Zodiac> stupid software companies
[06:19] <JDahl> It disturbs me I could actually read that
[06:19] <Amaranth> I couldn't.
[06:19] <dell500> has anyone here gotten 3d acceleration with an ati card (in my situation, 9600xt)
[06:19] <iceman> Amaranth Thanks ..
[06:20] <IIIEars> lol - i couldn't use hacker slang even if i wanted to found a python script with ispell for xchat that corrects nrly everything
[06:20] <sobersabre> hi. what do i do to set driver parameters ?
[06:20] <sobersabre> on boot
[06:20] <sobersabre> i mean when it loads
[06:20] <max_ubuntu_noobi> does x uses diff fonts on diff resolutions?
[06:20] <sobersabre> max_ubuntu_noobi, no.
[06:20] <mindspin> "/boot/grub/"
[06:20] <sobersabre> it uses sizes in points ( pixels)
[06:20] <max_ubuntu_noobi> fonts seemed to look a lot better at 1024
[06:21] <sobersabre> max_ubuntu_noobi, because there's aliasing effect.
[06:21] <sobersabre> u need to enable anti-aliasing
[06:21] <max_ubuntu_noobi> ive heard about that. how do i do it?
[06:21] <IIIEars> lol - get a CRT. - j/k
[06:22] <IIIEars> bit envious
[06:22] <sobersabre> i want my ipw2200 module to be loaded with led=1
[06:22] <max_ubuntu_noobi> then ill go blind
[06:22] <IIIEars> lol
[06:22] <sobersabre> where do i change what to enable it ?
[06:22] <sobersabre> max_ubuntu_noobi, what windows manager do you use ?
[06:22] <Zodiac> oh this is weird
[06:22] <Zodiac> Which SDK do I want?
[06:22] <Zodiac> The debian specific one, or the other one?
[06:23] <max_ubuntu_noobi> fluxbox usually but trying ubuntu/gnome on this box now
[06:23] <danko123456> Zodiac: from where?
[06:23] <danko123456> you likely want the JRE, too.
[06:23] <Zodiac> umm
[06:23] <Zodiac> from....
[06:23] <Zodiac> deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java
[06:23] <Amaranth> max_ubuntu_noobi: You'll probably want a menu editor then. :) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38183
[06:23] <Zodiac> I am using the package manader
[06:24] <danko123456> Software Development Kit, Java Run-time Environment/virtual machine
[06:24] <Amaranth> Zodiac: That's illegal.
[06:24] <Zodiac> ummm
[06:24] <Zodiac> What??
[06:24] <Zodiac> It is on the damn wiki
[06:24] <Zodiac> it better not be
[06:24] <danko123456> yeah, the damn wiki is illegal totally...
[06:24] <danko123456> I would shut it down if it were for me...
[06:24] <Amaranth> the wiki mentions many illegal things
[06:25] <danko123456> I still think the easiest install for a Java is teh 4.10 version of Ubuntuguide.org, explains the manual process very well.
[06:25] <danko123456> jj^^^^^
[06:25] <Amaranth> you probably wouldn't get in trouble for getting java from there, but the person you're downloading from is in big trouble
[06:25] <Zodiac> okay... so what are you saying? I should install the first one?
[06:25] <danko123456> jj about the shutting down the wiki, I mean.
[06:25] <Zodiac> ok crap shoot in 5, 4, 3, 2...
[06:26] <danko123456> Zodiac: would you like to try the best IMHO process?
[06:26] <Zodiac> well I am already doing it...
[06:26] <Zodiac> ha ha
[06:26] <danko123456> http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#jre is the one I mean
[06:26] <Zodiac> Alert the authorities!
[06:27] <max_ubuntu_noobi> Amaranth, why the editor?
[06:27] <danko123456> cause it is sooooo cool max_ubuntu_noobi.
[06:27] <max_ubuntu_noobi> i see :)
[06:28] <max_ubuntu_noobi> and how do i do the antialiasing thing?
[06:28] <sobersabre> max_ubuntu_noobi, go into the "System"->"preferences"->font
[06:28] <Zodiac> What's done is done
[06:29] <sobersabre> do u have a crt or lcd ?
[06:29] <max_ubuntu_noobi> lcd
[06:29] <mindspin> Feierabend
[06:29] <sobersabre> use "subpixel blabla" then
[06:29] <max_ubuntu_noobi> quite a few options here
[06:30] <max_ubuntu_noobi> if u click details
[06:30] <sobersabre> max_ubuntu_noobi, play and choose what's best, but use subpixel rendering
[06:30] <max_ubuntu_noobi> thanks
[06:30] <sobersabre> i mean smoothing.
[06:30] <Zodiac> it worked
[06:30] <Zodiac> Thanks for the illicit wiki fellas
[06:30] <sobersabre> ANYbody: where do i write what to enable a module parameters to be loaded each time i load the module, without me mentioning it on the command line  ?
[06:31] <Einhoernchen> mindspin, can u come 2 query one more time?
[06:31] <max_ubuntu_noobi> no need to restart x?
[06:31] <danko123456> welcome
[06:31] <sobersabre> max... i don't think so....
[06:31] <sobersabre> you can though...
[06:31] <max_ubuntu_noobi> yeah looks much better
[06:31] <sobersabre> enjoy.
[06:31] <max_ubuntu_noobi> cool :)
[06:31] <max_ubuntu_noobi> heheh
[06:33] <Crono5788> How do I install RPM packages...?
[06:34] <Einhoernchen> ehhh Crono5788 with ubuntu?
[06:34] <haizi> #kbuntu
[06:34] <Crono5788> The RPM command didn't work
[06:34] <Crono5788> Yeah
[06:34] <sobersabre> Crono5788, usually you don't
[06:34] <JackHanna> hey guys
[06:34] <Crono5788> Oh
[06:34] <sobersabre> but you can install alien
[06:34] <Crono5788> Uh, hm...
[06:34] <Crono5788> Alien, eh?
[06:34] <sobersabre> Crono5788, usually you have all the packages you need in .deb format
[06:34] <Quest-Master> How can I force something to umount?
[06:34] <Crono5788> I'm trying to install ATI drivers...
[06:34] <Crono5788> They came in .rpm
[06:34] <sobersabre> Crono5788, use tar.gz
[06:35] <JackHanna> anyone running ubuntu on PPC
[06:35] <Fator_Dee> Crono5788: there are ati drivers in the ubuntu repositories
[06:35] <sobersabre> JackHanna, what is the question ?
[06:35] <danko123456> I do sometimes, nalioth does, xappe does, and so on, JackHanna.
[06:35] <JackHanna> oh.. don't really have one.. I just installed ubuntu on my ibook...
[06:35] <JackHanna> seems to be working well
[06:35] <Fator_Dee> Crono5788: you can install them from synaptic, and them make the necessary changes to configurations
[06:35] <sobersabre> hehe
[06:35] <Crono5788> Okay
[06:36] <danko123456> JackHanna: try making it sleep...:-p and, try getting the wireless to work...
[06:36] <JackHanna>  are there any good PPC repositories I could install to get things like mplayer and stuff working
[06:36] <JackHanna> I got the sleep working
[06:36] <danko123456> realy?
[06:36] <danko123456> g4?
[06:36] <JackHanna> sleep works and so does wireless
[06:36] <danko123456> would you care to tell me how?
[06:36] <JackHanna> no G3 ibook
[06:36] <danko123456> ah...yeah, tahts easy:)
[06:36] <sobersabre> nice :)
[06:36] <danko123456> cool.
[06:36] <b0urn3> i'm having some issues with phpMyAdmin...anyone familiar with it?
[06:36] <JackHanna> there's a small shell script on the ubuntu forum to get the sleep working.. really easy
[06:36] <danko123456> um, repos....
[06:36] <sobersabre> BTW any plans to be ppc64 ubuntu ?
[06:37] <Fator_Dee> Crono5788: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:37] <danko123456> why am I sick and feel dizzy if I dont have a fever??
[06:37] <Einhoernchen> great .. my mouse is empty
[06:37] <danko123456> I hatge that.
[06:37] <sobersabre> danko123456, you are drunk .. ?
[06:37] <sobersabre> where are you in the world ?
[06:37] <danko123456> sobersabre: nice, I wish...:(
[06:37] <danko123456> Canada.
[06:38] <EircB> that explains everything
[06:38] <sobersabre> hm... when was the last time you drank a glass of water today ?
[06:38] <danko123456> yeah, yeah...
[06:38] <Einhoernchen> sobersabre, today?
[06:38] <Einhoernchen> ;)
[06:38] <danko123456> And Im a moron that is addicted to smoking...
[06:38] <danko123456> Ill go haev one of those...
[06:38] <danko123456> but I ve been scik for 2 days alreadu.
[06:38] <Crono5788> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[06:38] <Crono5788> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:39] <danko123456> Crono5788: close your synaptic.
[06:39] <sobersabre> Crono5788, close all apt-get/synaptic/aptitude instances ...
[06:39] <JackHanna> anyone know of some ubuntu PPC users www sites or anything like that
[06:39] <sobersabre> danko123456, you probably have a problematic immune system: because normally you should have some fever.
[06:39] <bob2> JackHanna: why?
[06:39] <danko123456> JackHanna: come here a little later, look for nalioth, he may kno if noone else does.
[06:40] <mcquaid> sigh i never realized that nautilus doesn't have invert selection, how can it not have that?
[06:40] <bob2> JackHanna: there's not that much ppc-specific information needed for ubuntu
[06:40] <bob2> mcquaid: file a bug!
[06:40] <danko123456> mcquaid: I dont like nautilus that much...
[06:40] <Crono5788> E: Couldn't find package xorg-driver-fglrx
[06:40] <JackHanna> well.. I'd like some on getting some software working..
[06:40] <mcquaid> well, i searched and found a patch someone made for invert selection back in 2001
[06:40] <JackHanna> ie.. is there a repository to get mplayer working
[06:40] <bob2> JackHanna: what doesn't work on ppc?
[06:40] <bob2> everything in ubuntu works fine
[06:41] <mcquaid> heh, guess it never made it in mainline
[06:41] <bob2> JackHanna: wiki.ubuntu/.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:41] <danko123456> you cant like, select multiple things with your mouse, like...you knwo what I mean, like, the little square that selects thing...
[06:41] <bob2> mplayer is in ubuntu
[06:42] <Crono5788> Why can't it find the package?
[06:42] <danko123456> not right source.list file?
[06:42] <JackHanna> oh wait I fould it
[06:43] <sobersabre> what do i need to do to have led=1 passed to ipw2200 on load?!?!?!?!
[06:43] <Crono5788> Source.list, you say...?
[06:43] <bob2> Crono5788: you'reon i386 with a default /etc/apt/sources.list, right?
[06:43] <bob2> sobersabre: please don't do that
[06:43] <danko123456> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:43] <sobersabre> bob2, why ?
[06:43] <EircB> Crono5788,  how is linux day 2 going?
[06:43] <bob2> using more than one final punctuation character is annoying
[06:43] <bob2> and makes you seem obnoxious and silly
[06:43] <sobersabre> ah, sorry, i thought you meant to use the
[06:43] <Crono5788> More and more confusing by the second
[06:43] <sobersabre> LED
[06:43] <EircB> silly
[06:43] <Crono5788> But luckily I'm online via Ethernet
[06:44] <EircB> :)
[06:44] <sobersabre> bob2, i don't care how do i look like, most of the time.
[06:44] <Crono5788> Which I thought didn't work, but it did and I just had to tell it to turn on x.x
[06:44] <EircB> it's about as silly as having a numer at the end of your nick
[06:44] <Crono5788> bob2, yeah.
[06:44] <danko123456> sobersabre: he means like, more chances for someone to helop when you look cool, then when you do that.
[06:44] <Crono5788> lol
[06:44] <bob2> sobersabre: well, I'll bear that in mind when helping you in future
[06:44] <danko123456> hehe
[06:44] <Crono5788> CS clan thing
[06:45] <bob2> sobersabre: make a file called /etc/modutils/ipw2100
[06:45] <Crono5788> Back when I used Windows
[06:45] <Crono5788> Back in the day
[06:45] <sobersabre> ok...
[06:45] <bob2> sobersabre: in it put: options ipw2100 led=1
[06:45] <sobersabre> you mean ipw2200
[06:45] <Rytmis> Hi! I'm experiencing network trouble with ubuntu - namely that during the install and on the livecd networking is fine, but after installing and booting, network fails to come up. Booting the same machine with a Gentoo installation cd brings up the network just fine.
[06:45] <sobersabre> ok
[06:45] <nern> hey there
[06:45] <sobersabre> thank you... you see, in spite i  look silly you helped me, because i am actually nice :)
[06:45] <bob2> sobersabre: then run "sudo update-modules"
[06:46] <sobersabre> ok, bob2 thank you
[06:46] <EircB> Rytmis, that could be any one of a few things
[06:46] <bob2> sobersabre: then: sudo rmmod ipw2100 ; sudo modprobe ipw2100
[06:46] <bob2> sobersabre: then the led or whatever should work
[06:46] <sraymond> hi all
[06:46] <Rytmis> EircB: Ok, can you help me narrow it down?
[06:46] <bob2> and it should work after future reboots
[06:46] <EircB> driver, interface, routing,
[06:46] <linukso> Rytmis: take a look at /etc/network/interfaces
[06:46] <danko123456> bob2: that aptitude is a little slower than apt-get, right?
[06:46] <toxicfum1> is there a tool like NetStumbler for X? which shows all visible Wireless routers, their SSID and the signal/noise ratio graph?
[06:46] <bob2> danko123456: yeah, I'm not sure why
[06:46] <Rytmis> linukso: it contains iface eth0 inet dhcp and auto eth0. Does it need something else?
[06:47] <danko123456> well, likley cause it is "more" than apt-get....
[06:47] <bob2> toxicfum1: kismet is a better tool than netstumbler for finding networks
[06:47] <sobersabre> bob2, it is working now, i just wanted to automate
[06:47] <linukso> Rytmis: auto eth0 should start your nic
[06:47] <bob2> but has no graphs
[06:47] <bob2> not sure what you'd actually use graphs for
[06:47] <destiny> this is me again, too...
[06:47] <bob2> sobersabre: yes, I know, now it's automated
[06:47] <toxicfum1> bob2: i downloaded kismet, but i don't know how to use it, maybe you can help me?
[06:47] <Rytmis> EircB: Looks like the driver loads fine, and I can bring the interface up. It just fails to get an IPv4 address :(
[06:47] <destiny> this is the comp I am setting up...the girl calls herself destiny...
[06:47] <linukso> Rytmis: unless its a wireless...
[06:47] <JackHanna> how do I get the codecs to play quicktimes?
[06:48] <bob2> toxicfum1: run "sudo kismet"
[06:48] <Rytmis> linukso: it's not.
[06:48] <bob2> JackHanna: www.mplayer.hu
[06:48] <bob2> JackHanna: and read very very very carefully
[06:48] <bob2> only one codec pack will work on ppc
[06:48] <destiny> www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats , JackHanna too...
[06:48] <EircB> Rytmis, do the logs say anything?
[06:48] <destiny> maybe not..
[06:48] <toxicfum1> bob2: give me a minute :)
[06:48] <Rytmis> EircB: what logs, specifically?
[06:48] <EircB> dmesg
[06:48] <JackHanna> cool
[06:49] <AevaD> how do i create a new partition to install linux
[06:49] <Rytmis> EircB: looks to me like dhclient just doesn't get an IP.
[06:49] <destiny> AevaD got that partition magic?
[06:49] <AevaD> yes
[06:49] <Rytmis> EircB: I'm leaning towards routing.
[06:49] <toxicfum1> bob2: okay, i did that but it's giving an error saying i have to configure at least onepacket source
[06:50] <JackHanna> but alot of the stuff I've found about adding codecs and stuff are all for i386 and not ppc
[06:50] <EircB> *shrug*
[06:50] <EircB> I don't know much about dhcp
[06:50] <destiny> AevaD can you try figuring out how the program works?
[06:50] <destiny> whats a spangle, anyhow, thats a make up word, right?
[06:51] <bob2> toxicfum1: yses, you need to configure /etc/kismet/kismet.conf
[06:51] <toxicfum1> bob2: okay, i tried doing that yesterday..not with too much success i guess
[06:51] <Crono5788> AveaD, I tried using partiton magic to install Linux a few times
[06:51] <Crono5788> Each time it didn't work
[06:51] <AevaD> that sounds good
[06:51] <Crono5788> It's a lot easier to just get a second hard drive
[06:51] <apow> anyone here using a highmem enabled kernel?
[06:52] <destiny> what you are trying to do, though, crono, is resize the partition.
[06:52] <AevaD> yea but i cant
[06:52] <nern> ive never used partition magic to install linux
[06:52] <nern> i like using a livecd with qt or gparted
[06:52] <Crono5788> Hm?
[06:52] <Crono5788> Yeah
[06:52] <Crono5788> I resized NTFS
[06:52] <Crono5788> And then made an ext3 and swap
[06:52] <destiny> and created a new partition?
[06:52] <destiny> everything, and still didnt work?
[06:52] <Crono5788> Yup
[06:52] <destiny> hum...weird...how come?
[06:52] <Crono5788> Said it couldn't find the OS or something
[06:53] <AevaD> should i click create new partition or install new os
[06:53] <destiny> did you choose the wrong option during install?
[06:53] <Crono5788> I don't think so...
[06:53] <Crono5788> Oh well, doesn't matter now
[06:53] <destiny> read the manual, aevad, you are best off that way, the help files...
[06:53] <mindspin> crono mbr messed up?
[06:53] <fuoco> hi. what gcc does ubuntu use by default for compiling packages ?
[06:53] <toxicfum1> bob2: what should my source type be? I'm on an Intel pro wireless 2200(ipw2200) which uses the ndiswrapper drivers i guess
[06:53] <Crono5788> Apparentley
[06:54] <Crono5788> I had to go back into a Linux Live-CD to make the NTFS boot again
[06:54] <Crono5788> And then I just gave up
[06:54] <adeleon> quit
[06:54] <Crono5788> Until now, got a new HD
[06:54] <Crono5788> Whole process is a lot easier
[06:54] <mindspin> grub or lilo?
[06:55] <nern> grub
[06:55] <destiny> fuoco um, apt-cache search gcc?
[06:56] <destiny> fuoco also, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:56] <fuoco> destiny: i'm asking here, because i'm not currently running ubuntu here
[06:57] <danko123456> 3.4 maybe, bob2?
[06:57] <toxicfum1> bob2: you around?
[06:57] <Crono5788> I tried sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx again, didn't work :(
[06:58] <Crono5788> Also, how do I get out of man pages?
[06:58] <Crono5788> :X
[06:58] <Fator_Dee> Crono5788: q
[06:58] <mindspin> type q
[06:58] <Crono5788> Word
[06:58] <yahalom> my gnome doesnt always log in. it hangs sometimes, any ideas? when shutting down it cant find init.d/rc any connection
[06:58] <yahalom> ?
[06:59] <gnrfan> Is this the right place to ask about a problem I'm having remastering the Ubuntu Hoary Live CD?
[06:59] <Fator_Dee> Crono5788: are you using hoary and are you sure your repositories are correct?
[07:00] <Crono5788> Factor_Dee, yes and no
[07:00] <Fator_Dee> Crono5788: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to www.pastebin.com
[07:00] <JackHanna> is there a way to right click using an ibook?
[07:00] <synd> what folder are the icons in by default?
[07:00] <gnrfan> I'm following the guidelnes at the ubuntu wiki but keep getting the "Non-Ubuntu CD-ROM was detected" red screen at Debian Installer when I try my ISO with VMware
[07:01] <synd> JackHanna, you have to have a two button mouse to right click, i believe
[07:01] <JackHanna> and my ibooks trackpad seems "twitchy" I've turned down sensitivity all the way but it's still jittery
[07:01] <JackHanna> synd, ya.. I figured but wondered if there was a modifyer key you can hold down like in osX to right click
[07:01] <synd> JackHanna, i know that you can hold ctrl while you click in OS X but not sure if you can do that in ubuntu
[07:02] <danko123456> yes, f12
[07:02] <synd> JackHanna, have you cleaned your trackpad?
[07:02] <danko123456> JackHanna: .
[07:02] <JackHanna> I'll look around.. just wondering if someone had a quick answer
[07:02] <danko123456> f12
[07:02] <JackHanna> oh
[07:02] <JackHanna> can you map that to <ctrl>click=right click
[07:02] <destiny> dunno.
[07:03] <Crono5788> Factor_Dee: http://pastebin.com/292282
[07:03] <gnrfan> Any hints on why I might be getting the "Non-Ubuntu CD-ROM was detected" error in my remastered Hoary Live iso?
[07:03] <raDeon> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA REMASTERED HOARY
[07:03] <synd> raDeon, eh?
[07:03] <EircB> remastered?
[07:03] <synd> what folder are the icons in by default?
[07:03] <gnrfan> raDeon: what's the funny part? :)
[07:03] <danko123456> you thought that was kinda funny, hey?
[07:04] <synd> nern, murray, ky?
[07:04] <nern> synd: yep
[07:04] <to0om> hello! i've got the following problem: i use ubuntu hoary on a laptop (compaq nx700), and i'm trying to use x.org with dualhead... i've already configured the xorg.conf with xinerama, and the second external monitor switches on when i restart x, but i just see stripes on this screen! on my laptop-screen everything's ok, but the external monitor just shows a white square instead of the mouse cursor...
[07:04] <raDeon> hoary, hehe
[07:04] <Fator_Dee> Crono5788: remove the # <-- comments from the repository lines :-|
[07:04] <synd> nern, lex, ky here
[07:04] <nern> synd: nice
[07:04] <Crono5788> Factor_Dee, my 2nd day on Linux
[07:04] <Crono5788> :X
[07:05] <hoovernj> Ubuntu wouldn't detect my ''15 Dell LCD monitor. I Don't know what to do.
[07:05] <hoovernj> It was right after an install
[07:05] <Fator_Dee> Crono5788: http://pastebin.com/292285 that's how it should be
[07:05] <Fator_Dee> Crono5788: but it learly says to uncomment the lines :-/
[07:05] <Fator_Dee> *clearly
[07:05] <nern> hmm i dont have any experience with lcds in linux
[07:06] <Crono5788> I didn't even check
[07:06] <hoovernj> my monitor flashes to an internal message that says "Out of Range"
[07:06] <Crono5788> Until you told me too
[07:06] <Crono5788> *to
[07:06] <Crono5788> Why wouldn't they just come uncommented, though?
[07:06] <sobersabre> has anybody seen the novell movie "why to move to linux?"
[07:06] <synd> what folder are the icons in by default? anyone know?
[07:07] <hoovernj> The strange thing is that ubuntu worked on this same monitor for the 4.x release
[07:07] <mindspin> Crono, thats the difference
[07:07] <synd> hoovernj, your Hz is out of range
[07:07] <mindspin> in win everything is enabled by default
[07:07] <synd> hoovernj, is there any way you can reset your monitgor?
[07:07] <Fator_Dee> hoovernj: reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:07] <Gus_> hello
[07:07] <mindspin> kinux should be the ozer way around
[07:07] <Rytmis> Am I supposed to have a "sit0" interface?
[07:07] <hoovernj> synd: let me check
[07:07] <mindspin> aaaargh
[07:08] <Rytmis> Isn't that ipv6 stuff?
[07:08] <synd> what folder are the icons in by default? anyone know?
[07:08] <Fator_Dee> hoovernj: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and make sure the specs are so that your monitor can handle them
[07:08] <Gus_> anyone to help me with installing CEDEGA ? i have an error that no tutorial reports...
[07:08] <hoovernj> I can't even login
[07:08] <hoovernj> so...
[07:08] <to0om> Gus_, get the .deb-file
[07:09] <synd> hoovernj, do you have another monitor to try?
[07:09] <hoovernj> no
[07:09] <Fator_Dee> hoovernj: can you ssh to it?
[07:09] <Gus_> to0om, the .deb file is not free, and unauthorized, rigt ?
[07:09] <to0om> yeah, could be :)
[07:09] <synd> hoovernj, try unplugging the monitor and replugging it a few times. i had the same problem with a monitor and my ibook and that fixed it
[07:09] <Gus_> otherwise, yes, i will definitely do that instead of fighting with the CVS-thing...
[07:09] <hoovernj> synd: thanks I'll try that
[07:10] <to0om> synd, ever heard about my problem before?
[07:10] <to0om> that one with the stripes
[07:10] <Crono5788> There it goes
[07:10] <synd> to0om, whats that?
[07:10] <Crono5788> Ty Factor_Dee
[07:11] <to0om> when i configure x with xinerama, it shows just stripes on the external monitor
[07:11] <pfp> hmmh.... how common is it for nautilus to freeze/crash?
[07:11] <to0om> i've got a radeon mobility
[07:11] <raDeon> WHO CALLS FOR ME!????
[07:11] <raDeon> WHO???
[07:11] <raDeon> SPEAK UP NOW!
[07:11] <synd> raDeon, chill your bitchass out
[07:11] <b0urn3> quick question...i just installed bittornado using apt-get install....how do i use it now that it's installed?
[07:11] <to0om> sorry raDeon ;)
[07:11] <synd> to0om, hmm.
[07:11] <raDeon> oh all righties :)
[07:11] <Amaranth> raDeon: Change your nick and you don't have problems. :)
[07:12] <Fator_Dee> Crono5788: no prob, and leave the c out of my nick ;-)
[07:12] <synd> to0om, ive never tried desktop spanning with linux and a laptop.. although i do it with my iBook
[07:12] <raDeon> lol factor
[07:12] <Amaranth> I love my Radeon card.
[07:12] <Amaranth> My Radeon card is so awesome.
[07:12] <Amaranth> ;)
[07:12] <raDeon> radeons suck ass
[07:13] <Crono5788> Ah, sorry x.x
[07:13] <Crono5788> That explains why tab didn't wor
[07:13] <Crono5788> k
[07:13] <raDeon> crono u a moron
[07:13] <Amaranth> raDeon: Why are you named after them then?
[07:13] <raDeon> hahah
[07:13] <Gus_> anyone to help me with installing CEDEGA ? i have an error that no tutorial reports...
[07:13] <Amaranth> raDeon: That's not nice.
[07:13] <danko123456> Amaranth: whats with you and making ppl change nicks today?
[07:13] <raDeon> Amaranth, im not the one to ask about that, you need to speak to my parents
[07:13] <Fator_Dee> Amaranth: maybe he's just limber
[07:13] <danko123456> crono, raDeon is joking...
[07:13] <Amaranth> danko123456: Not making him change it, just saying.
[07:13] <raDeon> am i?
[07:13] <danko123456> I kno, the other guy too, fucko...
[07:13] <Crono5788> Are you?
[07:13] <max_ubuntu_noobi> how can i change the permission to make a ntfs part to be accessable by a non-root user?
[07:13] <danko123456> that was him prolly, tho...
[07:13] <danko123456> he was.
[07:13] <JackHanna> synd are you running ubuntu on your ibook
[07:13] <raDeon> apparently i am haha
[07:14] <synd> JackHanna, no
[07:14] <Amaranth> You were. ;)
[07:14] <Amaranth> Just kidding.
[07:14] <JackHanna> what kind of ibook do you have
[07:14] <raDeon> you wouldn't boot me
[07:14] <raDeon> because you love me
[07:14] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> test de amsg
[07:14] <synd> JackHanna, iBook g4 1Ghz
[07:14] <Amaranth> Nah, I just give people 2 warnings before I kick them. :P
[07:14] <synd> JackHanna, 12"
[07:14] <JackHanna> cool... ya.. no AE support for you
[07:14] <danko123456> well, if you turned it up a notch, raDeon I think it would seriously be considered...
[07:14] <Amaranth> raDeon: I love the video card though. :D
[07:14] <JackHanna> mine's a 12" G3-900
[07:14] <raDeon> kkakaka
[07:15] <danko123456> synd, I have a same one...
[07:15] <raDeon> good stuff guys
[07:15] <raDeon> cya laters
[07:15] <synd> JackHanna, which is exactly why i dont have ubuntu running on it :/
[07:15] <JackHanna> they'll get it working man.. hand in there
[07:15] <danko123456> Amaranth: so you can get op now on any channel?
[07:15] <Amaranth> no they won't
[07:15] <Amaranth> danko123456: No, just this one and the ones I own.
[07:15] <synd> JackHanna, i dont think so
[07:15] <yahalom> i cant log in to gnome
[07:15] <yahalom> can someone help plz
[07:15] <JackHanna> really, why not
[07:15] <danko123456> Amaranth: aha...ok...
[07:15] <yahalom> it jsut hangs
[07:15] <Amaranth> yahalom: Forget your password?
[07:15] <Amaranth> yahalom: Did you install the 2.6.11 kernel?
[07:16] <yahalom> Amaranth, no, i type my details and then it just hangs
[07:16] <yahalom> Amaranth, nope. and xfce works
[07:16] <Amaranth> hmm
[07:16] <yahalom> Amaranth, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn
[07:16] <yahalom> Amaranth, mostly doesnt
[07:16] <Amaranth> I've only ever seen this problem with hoary's 2.6.11 and gamin (part of gnome)
[07:16] <yahalom> Amaranth, only started 30 minutes ago
[07:16] <yahalom> Amaranth, i have gamin i think
[07:16] <yahalom> Amaranth, remove it?
[07:17] <Amaranth> yahalom: If you want to remove all of gnome, sure. :P
[07:17] <yahalom> Amaranth, so what should i do? i removed gnome-desktop and then reinstalled it and it worked
[07:17] <Amaranth> yahalom: mv ~/.gnome2 ~/.gnome2.bak and try again
[07:17] <yahalom> Amaranth, as soon as i log out by doing alt + ctrl +backsp then next time i log in it hangs
[07:18] <Amaranth> don't use ctrl-alt-bksp to logout
[07:18] <Fator_Dee> not a proper way to logout
[07:18] <Amaranth> not really logging out, just killing X :P
[07:19] <asdasdsa> hey
[07:19] <yahalom> Amaranth, yeah but gnome refuses to logout sometimes
[07:19] <asdasdsa> my consoles wont start
[07:19] <asdasdsa> if i press alt f1 f2 .... the image from the desktop moves to right
[07:19] <Quest-Master> gah
[07:19] <Quest-Master> Can anyone tell me how to forcibly unmount something?
[07:20] <Quest-Master> It keeps on saying the device is busy even though I am not using it
[07:20] <no0tic> Quest-Master: control the device file with lsof
[07:20] <Amaranth> Quest-Master: If an Uninteruptible process is using it you either have to wait for it to end (could take 24 hours) or restart.
[07:20] <pfp> Quest-Master: something _is_ using it, 'sudo fuser -muv /mount/point'
[07:20] <no0tic> Quest-Master: somthing like lsof | grep /dev/hdc
[07:20] <Amaranth> Quest-Master: I'm guessing you burned a cd with k3b and can't get it out.
[07:21] <Cutman> Hi, I tried one of your advices, yeasterday, about Ubuntu that couldn locate a regular CD drive, and it didnt work
[07:21] <Quest-Master> Amaranth: nope
[07:21] <max_ubuntu_noobi> is there a limitation with non-root users and ntfs reading?
[07:21] <Amaranth> Quest-Master: what were you doing with the drive?
[07:21] <Fator_Dee> max_ubuntu_noobi: if you make one
[07:21] <Cutman> I was told to type: modprobe piix and modprobe ide-generic in the consoel, but nothing happened
[07:21] <Quest-Master> Listening to music
[07:22] <Cutman> *console
[07:22] <Fator_Dee> max_ubuntu_noobi: limitations depend on the configurations you make
[07:22] <destiny> whats a really fast gui browser?
[07:22] <destiny> not ff...
[07:22] <synd> destiny, i know dillo is with DSL
[07:22] <max_ubuntu_noobi> i chmod 777 and chown ubuntu on /mnt/ntfs but when i mount permission go back to something else
[07:22] <Amaranth> Quest-Master: Are you sure the program exited? Check Applications->System Tools->System Monitor
[07:22] <danko123456> dillo is a browser?
[07:23] <synd> danko123456, on DSL
[07:23] <yahalom> Amaranth, ok still didnt work. i removed gamin and all of gnome, how do i get it back. install nautilus?
[07:23] <Amaranth> destiny: You basically have 3 choices. Things using gecko (ff, mozilla, epiphany), Konqueror, and Opera.
[07:23] <danko123456> whats on DSL mean?
[07:23] <danko123456> I have DSL< it ahpens...
[07:23] <Quest-Master> Gah
[07:24] <Amaranth> yahalom: It'll reinstall gamin. gamin is required for GNOME.
[07:24] <synd> danko123456, damn small linux
[07:24] <Quest-Master> Amaranth: something called gam_server is using it apparently
[07:24] <danko123456> ah, there is one in my apt-get...
[07:24] <max_ubuntu_noobi> does the non-root user must belong to a "ntfs" group?
[07:24] <yahalom> Amaranth, ah ok. so how do i reinstall gnome?
[07:24] <Quest-Master> Amaranth: the gam_server process won't go away.. neither through System Monitor or killall
[07:24] <danko123456> Amaranth: well, I want to use something that is fast to load, cause the comp is slow...
[07:24] <Amaranth> yahalom: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:24] <Quest-Master> danko123456: Give Kazahakase a try
[07:24] <yahalom> Amaranth, thanx
[07:24] <danko123456> synd: ah, I thought you meant digital subscriuption line.
[07:24] <Amaranth> Quest-Master: try it with sudo
[07:25] <danko123456> Quest-Master: thanks, I will.
[07:25] <synd> danko123456, no : )
[07:25] <Quest-Master> Amaranth: done so already.
[07:25] <synd> danko123456, i have a DSL conncection, though
[07:25] <Amaranth> Quest-Master: Then it's a kernel thing and/or uninterruptible. You'll have to restart or wait for it to release the cd.
[07:26] <Cutman> modprode piix and modprobe ide-generic doesn't work as commands in console
[07:26] <Quest-Master> Amaranth: it's a mounted FAT32 Windows partition.
[07:26] <Amaranth> oh
[07:26] <destiny> so, this dillo thing, man, Ill go check it out...
[07:26] <pfp> Cutman: prefix them with sudo
[07:26] <synd> destiny, its available in synaptic
[07:26] <Amaranth> why do you need to unmount it then?
[07:26] <Quest-Master> Amaranth: partitioning stuff.
[07:26] <Cutman> pfp: ?
[07:26] <Quest-Master> Amaranth: I'll use a LiveCD if this doesn't work out though
[07:27] <pfp> Cutman: sudo modprobe piix
[07:27] <Cutman> Ok
[07:27] <destiny> ya, I know, I told you I have it in my apt-get...
[07:27] <Amaranth> Quest-Master: gam_server is a part of gamin :)
[07:27] <Cutman> I'm a bit new to Linux
[07:27] <Amaranth> Quest-Master: Some program is telling gamin to watch a directory on that drive for changes.
[07:27] <destiny> Im danko, btw, for all that did not know...just on a diff comp, on which I am doing this install thing.
[07:27] <Johnnyfav> which wine tools do I download?
[07:28] <OConnor> hello
[07:28] <Amaranth> Quest-Master: skill it?
[07:28] <xukun> can anybody give me a good hoary sources.list universe/multiverse
[07:28] <pfp> back in warty, famd had a nasty habit of grabbing onto my CD's  / net mounts
[07:28] <synd> destiny, oh, ok
[07:28] <darkaudit> xukun: it's already in the stock sources.list... just commented out
[07:29] <destiny> xukun you can use www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list
[07:29] <pfp> restarting famd helped, but surprisingly nautilus lost track of changes in the fs after that
[07:29] <Fator_Dee> xukun: http://pastebin.com/292285 or that
[07:29] <synd> destiny, im currently running Dillo in xfce, it runs great. i jsut recently discovered it using DSL
[07:29] <darkaudit> just uncomment the universe lines and add multiverse to the end
[07:29] <nubbe> xukun, ubuntuguide.org?
[07:29] <destiny> synd hopefully it loads faster than epiphany, epiphany was the slowest so far.\
[07:29] <Fator_Dee> I'm going to test dillo too :-p
[07:30] <synd> destiny, what are you running on
[07:30] <Fator_Dee> can you import bookmarks from firefox to it?
[07:30] <xukun> thanks guys
[07:30] <destiny> synd, nice!!
[07:30] <Fator_Dee> oooh, this is snappy O.o
[07:30] <Quest-Master> Amaranth: That got rid of it :)
[07:30] <destiny> just a sec, Ill post my specs to pastebin
[07:31] <Amaranth> Quest-Master: I am a Google God. :)
[07:31] <destiny> ill break a plate in the meantime, too.
[07:31] <Amaranth> Quest-Master: searched for gam_server, first entry that was from ubuntu forums had the answer
[07:31] <destiny> alindeman, no, well linch you;)
[07:32] <Amaranth> had to get that in before services went down
[07:33] <destiny> synd, dillo is really fast, but, ugly a bit, even the way it parses html is weird.
[07:33] <synd> destiny, is dillo what you had in mind?
[07:33] <Th4t> hey folks just DL'd and trying the LiveCd. liking it quite a bit so far
[07:33] <destiny> synd, when I said, synd nice, yeah...
[07:33] <Fator_Dee> destiny: can you import bookmarks to dillo?
[07:33] <drzolo> hey guys, what type of distribution is ubuntu?
[07:33] <destiny> Fator_Dee dunno, I dont use bookmarks, I have a home page with links...
[07:33] <destiny> drzolo that type, you know...
[07:34] <Fator_Dee> destiny: well, I don't >_<
[07:34] <destiny> drzolo if your question was a multiple choice one, maybe I would answer.
[07:34] <drzolo> decklin, lol, what are the main features?
[07:34] <destiny> Fator_Dee well, get one, or find out if you can import.
[07:34] <destiny> it is a debian based...
[07:34] <drzolo> decklin, u could answer "tRUE" for the above question, but it wouldn really help
[07:34] <destiny> www.ubuntulinux.org / ubuntulinux.com will know more
[07:35] <synd> destiny, dillo was written to be part of DSL, which is a < 50mb OS. its *very* dumbed down
[07:35] <Einhoernchen> hey. does anybody of you know how to work with webmin?
[07:35] <drzolo> aight, thank you, i ll check it out
[07:35] <destiny> synd, well, we'll see how it wokrs.
[07:35] <synd> destiny, you should try DSL on that slower computer.. youd be surprised
[07:35] <yahalom> Amaranth, will the reinstall fix my hanging issue?
[07:35] <Amaranth> yahalom: maybe, doubtful
[07:35] <destiny> synd, no I shouldnt, cause...I want it for destiny, she is a girl, and I am sure she would not like some weird linux...
[07:36] <yahalom> Amaranth, doubtful, so how do i find out what it is? i only got it today
[07:36] <yahalom> Amaranth, it was workign great
[07:36] <Amaranth> yahalom: you're not on breezy, are you?
[07:36] <synd> destiny, it's not weird
[07:36] <yahalom> Amaranth, not that i know of. i used the repos from ubuntuguide
[07:36] <Amaranth> arg
[07:37] <Amaranth> repos from ubuntuguide are messed up
[07:37] <Th4tBa5t4rd> so, if Ubuntu is Debian base, I can use Apt-get, correct?
[07:37] <Fackamato> anyone know a webcam program that takes a pic at a certain interval?
[07:37] <destiny> synd, no, has a nice itnerface?
[07:37] <synd> Th4tBa5t4rd, yes
[07:37] <Th4tBa5t4rd> danke
[07:37] <Th4tBa5t4rd> still trying to figure this out
[07:37] <tsw> Fackamato: webcamd
[07:37] <Fackamato> tsw: doesn't owrk
[07:37] <destiny> http://pastebin.com/292295
[07:37] <Fackamato> it uses "Television" as input argument
[07:37] <yahalom> Amaranth, so which ones should i use. i had forgotten to change to the latest repos. so i changed them yesterday
[07:37] <destiny> thats the lshw on this comp...
[07:37] <Fackamato> and tells me to use " blabla" instead
[07:37] <Fackamato> and I change to blabla
[07:38] <synd> destiny, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
[07:38] <tsw> Fackamato: check /home/user/.webcamrc
[07:38] <Fackamato> and it still complains about the input argument
[07:38] <raDeon> knai
[07:38] <raDeon> lamno
[07:38] <Fackamato> tsw: yup, that's where the settings are
[07:38] <Fackamato> and they're correct
[07:38] <destiny> synd, I guess Ill check it out...
[07:38] <destiny> altho I already dont like their browser:)
[07:39] <tsw> Fackamato: Ill test it once I get this ov511 decompressor working :)
[07:39] <synd> destiny, well in order for a browser to be "snappy" it has to be liek that
[07:39] <synd> destiny, or else, youre stuck with firefox and yada yada. DSL comes with a very dumbed down version of Firefox as well
[07:39] <Amaranth> yahalom: http://rafb.net/paste/results/hVI6A325.html
[07:39] <destiny> synd yeah, I mean, I dont mind it kinda, how do you even get to the properties of the browser?
[07:39] <Amaranth> yahalom: but i doubt that'll help, you've probably already broken something
[07:40] <yahalom> Amaranth, so reinstall ubuntu?
[07:41] <Amaranth> yahalom: i guess
[07:41] <destiny> yahalom, what your gnome sometimes dont login?
[07:41] <yahalom> :( :( :(\
[07:41] <destiny> Amaranth why are you mean??
[07:41] <yahalom> destiny, yes
[07:41] <Amaranth> destiny: i'm not
[07:41] <yahalom> destiny, on and off
[07:41] <yahalom> destiny, sometimes yes sometimes no
[07:41] <snowseal> anyone know how to get the volume key-combination working on my keyboard? brightness combo works well.
[07:41] <destiny> yahalom, well, use something else, or wait till someone not mean comes...
[07:41] <synd> Amaranth is not mean
[07:42] <synd> Amaranth is a realist
[07:42] <DanielHolth> hello
[07:42] <Amaranth> heh
[07:42] <destiny> sure he is...why would anyone recommend a reinstall of a linux?
[07:42] <yahalom> destiny, ???
[07:42] <Amaranth> synd: that's my blog's name ;)
[07:42] <synd> Amaranth, really? haha. had no idea
[07:42] <yahalom> destiny, i didnt get the impression he was being mean, but rather that i'm screwed
[07:42] <DanielHolth> I lost my default gnome desktop and then could not get it back, even after a. deleting all the .gnome* directories, and b. copying the originals from a working user's directory.
[07:42] <Amaranth> synd: RealistAnew :D
[07:42] <DanielHolth> it served as a subtle reminder that Gnome Sucks.
[07:42] <destiny> yahalom I know, but, I just meant, not mean...
[07:43] <synd> haha.
[07:43] <destiny> like, why recommend that...
[07:43] <Amaranth> hey, cool
[07:43] <DanielHolth> unfortunately kde hurts my eyes.
[07:43] <synd> destiny, are you running gnome on this female's computer?
[07:43] <Amaranth> I'm a "Community Developer" on the forums
[07:43] <nern> just use xfce then or fluxbox ;)
[07:43] <destiny> I mean, I font think anyone should ever reinstall, really...
[07:43] <destiny> almost.
[07:43] <yahalom> destiny, cos i'm screwed?
[07:43] <snowseal> anyone know how to get the volume key-combination working on my keyboard? brightness combo works well..
[07:43] <destiny> nern ?
[07:43] <yahalom> nern, i use xfce, my wife likes gnome
[07:43] <destiny> for yahalom?
[07:44] <destiny> well, tell her to grow up already:) jj...
[07:44] <awb4422> any wordpress users in here the use a desktop client besides blogtk?
[07:44] <destiny> not sure, I mean, you could reintsall, I dont think that is a very linux thing to do, tho...
[07:44] <yahalom> destiny, man gnome is cool for most ppl
[07:44] <yahalom> destiny, it isnts
[07:44] <Cutman> pfp: I tried your advice, but it didn't work
[07:44] <Einhoernchen> lol
[07:44] <yahalom> destiny, going to see if i got gnome back
[07:44] <root____> I'm using ubuntu in conjunction with a shuttle sn25p with the envy24 audio chipset (via vinyl) and I cannot get sound to work at all.  Shw atmodules etc do I need to install etc to get it to work (audio)
[07:44] <yahalom> brb
[07:44] <Einhoernchen> somebody with root account
[07:44] <Einhoernchen> lmao
[07:44] <Einhoernchen> -
[07:45] <root____> :)
[07:45] <Fator_Dee> you should get out of root login :-p
[07:45] <destiny> not only sombody, but somebody to who's nick 4 _ had to be added, cause there are others...:)
[07:45] <Einhoernchen> he should really
[07:45] <root____> i'm not really actually root it just says that
[07:45] <destiny> who was I talking with?
[07:45] <destiny> I cant remember the nick, and Im in bitchx.
[07:46] <Fackamato> the imlib2 version in ubuntu
[07:46] <Einhoernchen> thats a big fault desrt ;)
[07:46] <Fackamato> doesn't seem to support jpeg or png
[07:46] <anto9us> destiny: yahalom who's brb
[07:46] <Cutman> I got this message: /bin/sh: sudo: not found
[07:46] <destiny> no, someone else.
[07:46] <destiny> ah, synd
[07:46] <Fackamato> camE: Error saving image /tmp/webcam.jpg - No Imlib2 loader for that file formatcamE: Error saving image /opt/images/webcam/webcam_2005-05-30_194430.jpg - No Imlib2 loader for that file formatcamE: Error saving image /opt/images/webcam/thumbnails/webcam_2005-05-30_194430.jpg - No Imlib2 loader for that file formatcamE: *** uploading via ftp
[07:46] <synd> destiny, yes?
[07:46] <destiny> synd, no I dont use gnome here, cause its painfully slow, right now I am in tty2
[07:46] <destiny> but, in tty7 I have xfce running, why?
[07:47] <Cutman> */bin/sg:sudo: not found
[07:47] <destiny> thanks, anto9us .
[07:47] <destiny> Cutman sorry, what did you do?
[07:47] <nern> how would you go about switching gnomes window manager from metacity to something else
[07:48] <synd> destiny, you really ought to try dsl
[07:48] <Cutman> I typed: sudo modprobe piix in the console during Ubuntu installation
[07:48] <synd> destiny, i saw your comp specs on pastebin
[07:48] <Cutman> I'm trying to get it to find my CD rom
[07:49] <destiny> synd, dunno, maybe, Ill see how this one goes with destiny.
[07:49] <synd> destiny, im running xfce4 on a P3 600Mhz, 128MB, 10GB and it runs fine
[07:49] <nern> yeah xfce is really lightweight
[07:49] <destiny> yeah, me too, similar...I need more ram in this comp, thats all.
[07:49] <tsw> I dont get it. how can I tell ov511 module to use ovcamchip as decoder?
[07:49] <Cutman> Yesterday i was told to type: modprobe piix and modprobe ide-generic in console
[07:49] <destiny> I should go get a stick now, its prolly like 20$
[07:49] <synd> destiny, but DSL is quite nice for lower spec'd comps. its knoppix and debian based
[07:50] <Bram> i have ubuntu on my hda1, grub is installed in hda0 (MBR), now i want to install Windows (for recording music) on hda2, but then my MBR is overwritten and i can't start ubuntu up
[07:50] <Bram> how do i solve that ?
[07:50] <destiny> synd, I dont wanna put a distro I dont know how to use myself on someone elses computer that I am gonna be maintaining///
[07:50] <synd> destiny, you dont have to put it on there
[07:50] <synd> destiny, its fully functional as a Live CD
[07:51] <destiny> this is that comp, my comp woprks great, its a new one...
[07:51] <destiny> oh, its a live cd deal?
[07:51] <computerguy867> if i have two computers one named bob and the other named jim and they are both behind a router using ssh bob or ssh jim should work right?
[07:51] <synd> destiny, many people put it on a 128MB flash drive.
[07:51] <destiny> man, thats too advanced, Ill look into it later when I seee how this works.
[07:51] <destiny> thanks.
[07:51] <Shinma> what'
[07:51] <Shinma> s breezy?
[07:52] <synd> destiny, the OS and all the apps that come with it is less than 50Mb
[07:52] <nern> the new ubuntu still in development
[07:52] <Cutman> Why doesn't Ubuntu support PATA drives?
[07:52] <nern> boot
[07:52] <Shinma> ah
[07:52] <lampshade> computerguy867:  No
[07:53] <root____> i'm not really actually root it just says that
[07:53] <root____> I'm using ubuntu in conjunction with a shuttle sn25p with the envy24 audio chipset (via vinyl) and I cannot get sound to work at all.  Shw atmodules etc do I need to install etc to get it to work (audio)
[07:53] <synd> damn its such a nice day here
[07:53] <lampshade> computerguy867:  Without a nameserver or something to tell them what name matches to what IP they have no idea who bob and jim are. If you setup a little nameserver it would work, or if you modded your /etc/hosts file and added their IP with the name you want like bob, that'd work
[07:53] <destiny> warty hoary breezy
[07:53] <synd> i need to fire up the grill
[07:53] <Shinma> I'd like some ... straight shooting ... if possible, how bugged is ubuntu, say in comparison to FC3
[07:53] <Shuddertrix> root____: actually, you are root unless you set your ircuser and ident to root also.
[07:53] <synd> ubuntu blows FC3 out of the water.
[07:54] <lampshade> Shinma:  I have had Ubuntu install where FC3 hasn't :(
[07:54] <synd> Shinma, Hoary is stable
[07:54] <Cutman> Does Ubuntu support USB CD drives?
[07:54] <synd> Cutman, yes
[07:54] <Shinma> ah, lampshade, but was it better than FC3 when you had them both installed? hhe
[07:54] <destiny> I mean, straight shooting fc3 vs ubuntu on #ubuntu...
[07:54] <Cutman> synd: Can I install from one?
[07:54] <yahalom> Amaranth, no idea of how i can fix it. i tried everything i think.
[07:54] <SysFail> can anybody PLEASE point me to the program that makes gtk apps look like all the kde apps?
[07:54] <synd> Cutman, not sure.
[07:54] <Cutman> Ok
[07:55] <Einhoernchen> ttyl guys
[07:55] <Amaranth> SysFail: gtk-qt engine
[07:55] <computerguy867> lampshade, what do i do to /etc/hosts?
[07:55] <lampshade> Shinma:  I dunno.  I always have high hopes for the Fedora cores and then end up crawling back to a debian based distro
[07:55] <Cutman> Cause I can't install from my PATA drive
[07:55] <Shuddertrix> SysFail: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=9714
[07:55] <Cutman> Ubuntu can't find the drive
[07:55] <Shinma> is ubuntu pretty quick about getting up to date software in releases/updates
[07:55] <synd> Shinma, yes
[07:56] <Amaranth> Shinma: after they release they don't update
[07:56] <Shinma> Amaranth, ?
[07:56] <Johnnyfav> I'm runing wine and I go to type in a active x box and it wont let me type in the box.....what do I do?
[07:56] <Amaranth> Shinma: so they are very up to date on the day of release
[07:56] <lampshade> computerguy867:  you just match it up.  Like if you are on box jim mod /etc/hosts so that there is a line with Bob's ip and bob  like--> 192.168.1.105 bob
[07:56] <Amaranth> but then if you want new stuff you have to wait for the next release
[07:56] <SysFail> it won't come up in synaptic for some reason
[07:56] <computerguy867> ok
[07:56] <lampshade> I think that should work, but I haven't messed with that kinda stuff in a while
[07:56] <Shuddertrix> SysFail: i pasted the link
[07:56] <computerguy867> cool thanks lampshade
[07:56] <SysFail> got it man
[07:56] <SysFail> thanks
[07:56] <destiny> Amaranth who is like that?
[07:57] <SysFail> wonder why it isnt in synaptic??
[07:57] <synd> hey nern you goto murray state?
[07:57] <nern> synd: yes i do
[07:57] <Amaranth> destiny: like what?
[07:57] <pfp> Cutman: oh, so you're just installing
[07:57] <Cutman> Gah...why does Dell list the PATA drive up as IDE in the manual, when the BIOS tells it different?
[07:57] <destiny> the  updates thing...
[07:57] <synd> nern, goto HS in ky as well?
[07:57] <destiny> ubuntu slow for updates?
[07:57] <destiny> have to wait till next releaase?
[07:58] <pfp> Cutman: maybe you should open the case and see what's really inside :)
[07:58] <zAo^> can anyone help me with libuu.so.0? donno in what package it is. Thanks :)
[07:58] <nern> ubuntu makes a release every six months
[07:58] <Cutman> pfp: I've done that
[07:58] <destiny> youre just totally impatient, it seems to me.... the cycle is 6 months, and you can get bacports, and breezy repos, and what not...... if that is what you were saying, that ubuntu has ew packages only at release.
[07:59] <Cutman> It looks like a regular IDE connector to me
[07:59] <pfp> Cutman: weird... ubuntu's installation has fuond my PATA drives w/o problem
[07:59] <gnrfan> Quest-Master, Amaranth: any hint on why my remastered Hoary ISO renders "Non-Ubuntu CD-ROM was detected"? I've followed all the steps here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo and regenerated the md5sum.txti
[07:59] <Cutman> The manual names it PRI IDE
[07:59] <Cutman> pfp: Do you hava a CD or DVD drive?
[08:00] <Amaranth> gnrfan: I've never made a LiveCD before.
[08:00] <gnrfan> Amaranth: ok
[08:00] <synd> Amaranth, liveCDs seem pointless
[08:00] <Amaranth> synd: i got people hooked on ubuntu with them
[08:00] <pfp> Cutman: both, on different computers
[08:00] <Cutman> Ok
[08:01] <Cutman> My drive is an: NEC ND-2100A DVD+RW drive
[08:01] <toxicfum1> can someone here help me try to get kismet to run?
[08:01] <synd> Amaranth, ah well yeah..
[08:01] <littleworm> how do i make the internet connection work on a windows neighbor?
[08:01] <nern> yeah i dont get what the whole liveCD rage is all about
[08:01] <littleworm> in the network
[08:01] <Amaranth> synd: great for system recovery too, although i'd rather use a livecd designed for system recovery for that
[08:01] <Quest-Master> gnrfan: No idea, sorry
[08:02] <Cutman> Maybe it doesn't support DVD+RW drives?
[08:02] <yahalom> can nobody help me with gnome issue, non of u having login issues?
[08:02] <pfp> Cutman: so you dont have ubuntu installed anywhere yet?
[08:02] <Cutman> No
[08:02] <pfp> Cutman: they should work as normal CD-ROM drives
[08:02] <Cutman> Ok
[08:02] <nern> i have a dvd+rw drive and ubuntu supports it fine
[08:02] <hoovernj> Thanks for the help with the Dell LCD monitor. It works perfectly now.
[08:02] <awb4422> any wordpress users in here the use a desktop client besides blogtk?
[08:02] <synd> hoovernj, how did you get it to work?
[08:03] <Cutman> I've tride the live CD, but that was on another computer
[08:03] <Cutman> *tried
[08:03] <littleworm> how do i make the internet connection work in my network (the other pc has windows)?
[08:03] <hoovernj> synd: it was xserv just like you said
[08:03] <synd> hoovernj, i see
[08:03] <hoovernj> i put the wrong resolution when installing
[08:03] <Cutman> Hmmmm.....maybe I'll just buy a regular CD-Drive
[08:04] <Cutman> I have one in my other computer
[08:04] <pfp> Cutman: you could try running 'dmesg' in the installer and see if there's any sign of your drive
[08:04] <littleworm> how do i make the internet connection work in my network? (the other pc has windows)
[08:04] <Cutman> Ok
[08:04] <danko123456> Kazahakase
[08:04] <Cutman> i'll try it out
[08:05] <danko123456> sorry
[08:05] <Einhoernchen> littleworm, you've to activate windows internet connection sharing
[08:05] <Cutman> I'll come back to let you know if it worked
[08:05] <pfp> Cutman: also, 'modprobe ide-cd'
[08:05] <Belial_> hi i need some assistance setting up a Linksys EG1032 NIC
[08:05] <toxicfume> can someone here help me try to get kismet to run?
[08:05] <Cutman> ok
[08:05] <Cutman> in console?
[08:05] <pfp> after that, see if dmesg has anything new to say
[08:05] <littleworm> the ubuntu pc has the internet
[08:05] <Einhoernchen> ahh
[08:05] <pfp> Cutman: yes
[08:05] <Cutman> Ok
[08:06] <littleworm> Einhoernchen, do you know what should i do?
[08:07] <robert_H> what's BREEZY?
[08:07] <synd> robert_H, the ubuntu development
[08:07] <zenrox> branch
[08:07] <synd> robert_H, thats still in development*
[08:08] <robert_H> ok thanks
[08:08] <littleworm> Einhoernchen, do you know what should i do?
[08:09] <lampshade> My googling for an open mail relay list is coming up with surprisingly nothing ;(!
[08:09] <HandyMicky> Just a quickie. How happy will Ubuntu be on a Pentium1-200, 160Mb Ram, 2.5GB hdd?
[08:10] <Fackamato> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=192901#post192901
[08:10] <lampshade> HandyMicky:  I ran it on a 300 mhz with 32mb ram once.  X was slow but the rest was pretty alright.  Web browsing was fine
[08:10] <yahalom> how does it make any sense that my gnome worked like a charm 30 minutes ago and now dead?
[08:11] <EircB> define dead
[08:11] <lampshade> yahalom:  did you break it?
[08:11] <yahalom> lampshade, i wouldnt know how
[08:11] <Gus_> anyone knows hot to make the Fn keys work on a laptop (sony vaio) ?
[08:11] <yahalom> lampshade, didnt do any upgrades today
[08:11] <lampshade> yahalom:  what's wrong with it?  What does it do or doesn't do?
[08:11] <HandyMicky> thanks lampshade - how about using as Router?
[08:11] <chrissturm> hmm, breezy stopped automounting my usb drives. what can be the reason? (except from me being stupid and using breezy:)
[08:11] <yahalom> lamont, it wont log in
[08:11] <yahalom> lamont, it just hangs there
[08:12] <Kimppa> Hi. I have internet connection through a proxy, so how configure ubuntu so that when I try to establish an ssh-connection, it uses the proxy?
[08:12] <yahalom> lamont, brown bg and mouse pointer
[08:12] <yahalom> sr
[08:12] <yahalom> lampshade,
[08:12] <yahalom> lampshade,  brown bg and mouse pointer
[08:12] <lampshade> HandyMicky:  I would think it would be ok for that.  the 300 could web browse so  I'd assume just routing packets would be ok.  You can install just the base with no extras and that would make the system nice and tiny
[08:12] <yahalom> lampshade,  it just hangs there  it wont log in
[08:13] <lampshade> yahalom:  hmmmm,  try ctrl+alt+backspace yet?  did that do anything?
[08:13] <HandyMicky> Just grab the install ISO, or is there a reduced package ISO somewhere?
[08:13] <robert_H> hum, first visit here, I have a few problems with my recently installed ubuntu 5.04...
[08:13] <Cutman> pfp: All PCI controllers where in use
[08:13] <Gus_> no one for helping about configuring the laptop Fn keys ?
[08:13] <yahalom> lampshade, back to gdm
[08:14] <Cutman> pfp: But sudo modprobe ide-CD didn't work
[08:15] <lampshade> yahalom:  Maybe something weird just got corrupted.  If you still can't login, try  a different user.  You can press F3  get to a console, log in there and then create a new user.  Then I would try Gnome again with that user
[08:15] <chrissturm> is there a way to convert a vfat drive to a xfs or jfs drive? or even ext3?
[08:15] <yahalom> lampshade, doesnt work for any user
[08:15] <lampshade> yahalom:  yikes
[08:15] <lampshade> yahalom:  Even a new one?
[08:15] <mendoza> Hi, I'd like to remove some of my firefox search plugins, but the folder is not in my /home/user/.mozilla/firefox, anyone knows where I can find it?
[08:16] <yahalom> lampshade, i havent been able to create new users for about 2 weeks now
[08:16] <Shuddertrix> chrissturm: to your last question, you being stupid and using breezy. A real answer would probably be the kernel breezy uses.. try a different one ;)
[08:16] <lampshade> yahalom:  Even from the console?  By pressing F3 can you log on there?
[08:16] <lampshade> err ctrl+alt+F3
[08:16] <chrissturm> shuddertrix: ok, i will reboot with the hoary kernel then. thx
[08:17] <yahalom> lampshade, no
[08:17] <Cutman> I think I'll try another drive
[08:17] <lampshade> yahalom:  Well what's it do when you try to logon to the straight console?  ANy errors or anything to go off of?
[08:17] <robert_H> I can't get my via rhine II integrated network card to work... anyone had the same problem?
[08:17] <nern> i love the hoary kernel
[08:17] <nern> it boots so quick
[08:18] <yahalom> lampshade, i need to see
[08:19] <Cutman> pfp: I have an Plextor CD-RW drive at home, do you think it will work?
[08:19] <mendoza> soooo? no one knows (firefox question)? :(
[08:19] <Cutman> *a
[08:19] <lampshade> mendoza:  what searchs?
[08:19] <tg_> I want to chang the permission to a fat32 partition where my mail data resides. from root to user. "chmod 777 <dir>" is not changing any thing. i have he same permission as before. what i do??
[08:19] <lampshade> mendoza:  like the built in typing of google keyword for it to google that?  Or?
[08:19] <mendoza> the search engines at the up right corner of firefox window
[08:20] <Johnnyfav> I'm runing wine and I go to type in a active x box and it wont let me type in the box.....what do I do?
[08:21] <pfp> Cutman: sry was out on the phone
[08:21] <mendoza> google, amazon, or ebay for example
[08:21] <Cutman> Ok
[08:21] <tg_> I want to chang the permission to a fat32 partition where my mail data resides. from root to user. "chmod 777 <dir>" is not changing any thing. i have he same permission as before. what i do??
[08:21] <pfp> Cutman: another drive could be worth the try, since you have one
[08:21] <Cutman> Ok
[08:21] <Cal[] John> how to i compile python source code (I'm trying to do BitTornado)?
[08:21] <Shinma> anyone here use an ATI Radeon X800 LE
[08:21] <Shinma> ?
[08:21] <pfp> btw it's ide-cd not ide-CD
[08:21] <mendoza> they usually are in /home/user/.mozilla/firefox or </home/user/.mozilla
[08:21] <robert_H> no sound, no network even if hardware is detected, modules seem to be there... help would be grateful
[08:22] <sysrq> tg_: you need to use the uid=youruserid mount option, vfat doesn't have file attributes like ext*
[08:22] <Cutman> pfp: I know
[08:22] <pfp> ach, ok
[08:22] <Cutman> Hust a typo
[08:22] <Cutman> *Just
[08:22] <pfp> Cutman: hdb: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
[08:22] <raDeon> WHO CALLED FOR ME
[08:22] <dementted> hello
[08:22] <raDeon> WHO??
[08:22] <raDeon> SPEAK UP
[08:23] <Shinma> :P
[08:23] <Shinma> dont suppose you use a Radeon X800 LE
[08:23] <dementted> heh
[08:23] <raDeon> Shinma, hell no
[08:23] <Shuddertrix> raDeon: How about changing your name
[08:23] <Cutman> pfp: should i type that in console?
[08:23] <pfp> Cutman: that's what my dmesg says about an dvd-+rw drive
[08:23] <tg_> sysrq: thanx
[08:23] <Cutman> Ok
[08:23] <the> how is this
[08:23] <lampshade> mendoza:  hmmmmmmm, yeah, the docs just say the "installation directory" so I've bet they just got moved somewhere random or something
[08:23] <dementted> nice nick dude
[08:23] <Cutman> I couldn't find my drive in dmesg
[08:23] <the> WHO CALLED ME
[08:24] <dementted> the: I want it
[08:24] <Cutman> The text scrolled to fast
[08:24] <pfp> you should see something similar, beginnig with hda / hdb / hdc ...
[08:24] <the> you can have radeon
[08:24] <bpuccio> ahh, the joys of /ignore
[08:24] <the> go on radeon we'll play a game
[08:24] <synd> the, youre a tard
[08:24] <pfp> Cutman: try 'dmesg | grep hd[a-z] '
[08:24] <Shuddertrix> the: better make sure no one grabbed that nick already
[08:24] <pfp> Cutman: or 'dmesg | grep -i ide'
[08:25] <mendoza> lampshade: yes, but that's my prob, can't find them
[08:25] <the> type /nick raDeon
[08:25] <dementted> no
[08:25] <dementted> I'll stick with the tried and trusted dementted
[08:25] <Cutman> pfp: Ok
[08:25] <yahalom> Amaranth, can u give me the link for the good repos again pls?
[08:25] <the> who called me
[08:25] <Cutman> I'll let you know in about a half an hour
[08:25] <dementted> not I
[08:26] <pfp> ok
[08:26] <i> kaka
[08:26] <i> who called me
[08:27] <dementted> the: WHy do you need to know?
[08:27] <the> need to know what?
[08:27] <dementted> who called you
[08:27] <the> so i can serve them
[08:28] <dementted> the: Any why would you serve them? If they really wanted you, they would probably still be calling
[08:28] <Belial_> hi i need help setting up a Linksys EG1032 NIC on ubuntu
[08:28] <raDeon> no idea what you just said
[08:28] <raDeon> Belial_, good luck
[08:28] <yahalom> can i reinstall ubuntu without losing my data?
[08:28] <raDeon> Belial_, never heard of anyone getting one of those to work
[08:28] <danko123456> man, has anyone ever opened an older HP computer case?? it is the most cluttered thing UI have ever seen...
[08:28] <Belial_> raDeon: what?
[08:28] <raDeon> Belial_, never heard of anyone getting one of those to work
[08:29] <Cal[] John> yahalom: i doubt it
[08:29] <dementted> hmm, are there any drivers for the NIC?
[08:29] <Belial_> raDeon: a known problem with the chipset or something?
[08:29] <raDeon> Belial_, i believe so
[08:29] <Belial_> raDeon: my last NIC didn't work either
[08:29] <danko123456> Belial_: he is joking, somewhat, but, he prolly bever did, cause he has not heard a lot of those thing...
[08:29] <yahalom> F$^%%^
[08:29] <danko123456> backup the data, yahalom.
[08:29] <raDeon> danko123456, am i?
[08:29] <Dr_Buddha> this may be a stupid question.... but what is my root password?
[08:30] <danko123456> again?
[08:30] <Cal[] John> yahalom: do you mean, reinstall/reformat?
[08:30] <Belial_> danko123456: hey again
[08:30] <danko123456> Dr_Buddha: if I knew, Id take over your comptuer right now...
[08:30] <danko123456> jj
[08:30] <yahalom> reinstall
[08:30] <yahalom> i lost gnome
[08:30] <raDeon> he may be joking, but im not
[08:30] <danko123456> it is not set by default in ubunrt
[08:30] <yahalom> and have no clue how to get it back
[08:30] <Dr_Buddha> well, I've not set a password
[08:30] <danko123456> cool, so, use sudo
[08:30] <lampshade> mendoza: bah, that's really weird  Imma keep lookin they must be around
[08:30] <Dr_Buddha> the installer didn't ask for one
[08:30] <danko123456> sudo command, then it asks for your password.
[08:30] <Dr_Buddha> and I can't su
[08:30] <yahalom> danko123456, anyway my dsl could be preventing gnome from loging in?
[08:30] <danko123456> yeah, use sudo
[08:31] <danko123456> yahalom, not sure, Ive had a similar issue like you it went away
[08:31] <nern> oh yeah and if any of you want to be able to su all you have to do is run sudo passwd
[08:31] <Dr_Buddha> thanks
[08:31] <nern> then you will be to su from then on
[08:31] <Belial_> danko123456: so i got to the point where i did modprobe ns83820 and it showed up in lsmod, now what?
[08:31] <sysrq> why would you need to su?
[08:31] <yahalom> danko123456, just like that?
[08:31] <sysrq> sudo -s gives you a shell with root permissions
[08:31] <nern> you wouldnt
[08:31] <danko123456> Belial_: not sure, I dunno how to fix your issue.
[08:32] <Belial_> danko123456: crimmy around?
[08:32] <danko123456> yahalom: yes, it went away
[08:32] <nern> unless yer me and picked up a bunch of bad habits
[08:32] <danko123456> crimmy, crimsun, not sure.
[08:32] <mendoza> what I do, but I don't know if this due to firefox, looks more like an ubuntu issue
[08:32] <lampshade> mendoza:  found them
[08:32] <Belial_> highlight: crimsun
[08:32] <yahalom> danko123456, how long?
[08:32] <mendoza> where?
[08:32] <Cal[] John> how to i compile python source code (I'm trying to do BitTornado)?
[08:32] <lampshade> they are in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/searchplugins/
[08:32] <lampshade> Cal[] John:  don't need to just run it
[08:33] <danko123456> yahalom: well, you cant count on that...
[08:33] <Gus_> please, can someone help me setting up the Fn keys on my laptop ? i have tried many tutorials but can't get them to work =/
[08:33] <Cal[] John> lampshade: huh?
[08:33] <danko123456> python is an interpreted language?
[08:33] <Cal[] John> lampshade: so what do i do with source code?
[08:33] <danko123456> Gus_: what comp, just out of curiosity?
[08:33] <mendoza> I found these ones, but it is weird because there are none of the ones I installed myself
[08:34] <Belial_> Gus_: in Gnome go to system preferences, hardware/devices or what not,keyboard, and you can set custom key shortcuts
[08:34] <Gus_> danko123456, Sony VAIO G-K215B, and i'd like if it was not ONLY out of curiosity =P
[08:34] <lampshade> Cal[] John:  yeah  if you have all the like .py files then you can just run those.  like ./btdownloadgui.py or whatever
[08:34] <lampshade> as long as they have executable rights
[08:34] <danko123456> I know, Gus_, but I dont know how to do it...
[08:34] <Gus_> Belial_, that doesn't work because the system doesn't even see i'm pressing a key
[08:34] <Gus_> danko123456, i guess, i was just kidding, no biggie =)
[08:34] <Cal[] John> lampshade: really?  there's no need to compile?  :D
[08:34] <Belial_> Gus_: uh then ur screwed
[08:35] <dementted> Cal[] John: Python is an interpreted language dude.
[08:35] <dementted> like perl
[08:35] <Gus_> Belial_,  i'm not, there are tutorials saying they catch it through the Sonypi driver, but i don't understand how it works
[08:35] <Belial_> Gus_: well then i'm just not skilled enough to be able to help you
[08:35] <biff_> how do i know if i'm using alsa or oss?
[08:35] <Gus_> the how-tos say "now you have downloaded sonypi, configure it and voila" well, err, i don't know how to configure it, so no voila for me ^^
[08:35] <lampshade> Cal[] John:  nope, you should also be able to tell firefox to open .torrent files with btdownloadgui or some similarly named file and then they will auto download and open in firefox
[08:36] <danko123456> Gus_: did you notice your model has KGB in it?
[08:36] <lampshade> err I mean the torrent will auto download and then be opened
[08:36] <Belial_> Gus_: if you have specific questions with steps in the tutorial i might be able to help, other than that sorry dude
[08:36] <mendoza> anyway thanks for the help lampshade
[08:36] <Gus_> danko123456, yeah, i'm a Russian agent undercover, now shush or the NSA'll catch me ^^
[08:37] <danko123456> well, you just said it yourself...
[08:37] <danko123456> you burried your own self...
[08:37] <danko123456> :-p
[08:37] <biff_> how do i know if i'm using alsa or oss?
[08:37] <Gus_> damn, i'm really screwed now, ain't i ? ^^
[08:38] <danko123456> biff_: not sure if you feel like reading this much, tho... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26567&highlight=alsa+oss .
[08:38] <danko123456> a good read, tho.
[08:38] <Gus_> so anyone else who knows anything about setting up Fn keys on Sony laptops ? it's a pain not being able to manage the sound...
[08:38] <leo_> What is Fn, anyway?
[08:38] <leo_> Er
[08:38] <goldfish> special key
[08:38] <biff_> how do i get to that graphic alsa configuration
[08:38] <Gus_> _F_unction_n_ keys
[08:39] <goldfish> biff_: alsamixer ?
[08:39] <ech0> how do i know what kernel version im running?
[08:39] <Crono5788> So the Fn key on my keyboard is like a shift/ctrl?
[08:39] <linukso> Gus_: apt-cache search sony returns several hits... You might need som kernel modules, but I dont much more than that...
[08:39] <nuge> ech0: uname -r
[08:39] <ech0> thanks
[08:39] <biff_> thanks goldfish
[08:39] <goldfish> np
[08:40] <Crono5788> When you install packages with Synaptic, where do they go?
[08:40] <Gus_> linukso, okay i'll check again, but i think i've done so already... thanks anyway =)
[08:41] <goldfish> Crono5788: they get installed, /usr/bin and stuff.
[08:41] <goldfish> Crono5788: try 'locate blah' from a terminal.
[08:41] <Crono5788> lol
[08:41] <biff_> why won't any noise come out of my speakers will xmms... everything is turned up. when i boot into ubuntu i hear that intro sound fine.
[08:41] <Crono5788> Alright, thank
[08:41] <Crono5788> a
[08:41] <Crono5788> *thanks
[08:41] <goldfish> you will need to 'sudo updatedb' first
[08:41] <Crono5788> Okay
[08:43] <Kartagis> hey
[08:43] <Crono5788> ?
[08:44] <AevaD> did anyone use partition magic to create a new partition in a harddrive to install ubunto?
[08:44] <Shuddertrix> Crono5788: You can also right-click on a installed package, and click on the "Installed files" tab, to see what it installed.
[08:44] <cens0red> hi
[08:44] <nern> so debian sarge is supposed to go stable VERY soon
[08:44] <Kartagis> what gstreamer plugin do I need to watch AVI files on totem media player
[08:44] <nern> you need to get totem-xine and the w32codecs
[08:45] <Kartagis> gee, thanks :)
[08:45] <Echelon-H> yahalom, hi!
[08:45] <yahalom> Echelon-H, hi
[08:46] <Crono5788> Ty Shuddertrix
[08:46] <Echelon-H> yahalom, sup? wanna help me a bit with openoffice?
[08:46] <ApeR> hi
[08:46] <Kartagis> one more thing... how do I stop totem from desyncing audio and video?
[08:46] <yahalom> Echelon-H, sure. i'm in need of help myself. whats ur issue?
[08:47] <ApeR> why ubuntu not support RPM with out use alien command ?
[08:47] <goldfish> Because.
[08:47] <yahalom> ApeR, cos its no fedora
[08:47] <Echelon-H> yahalom, I tried to make hebrew support for openoffice so Installed some lang pack, something like l10n-he and I still see hebrew only as squares :\
[08:47] <yahalom> ApeR, its a debian based distro
[08:47] <goldfish> It is debain baswd distro.
[08:47] <nern> because its not an rpm based distro
[08:47] <nern> exactly
[08:47] <yahalom> Echelon-H, openoffice 1 is a bastard
[08:47] <nern> because its that much better
[08:47] <nern> :)
[08:47] <goldfish> :)
[08:48] <Echelon-H> yahalom, :O. and if I really need it? Stam, don't bother.
[08:48] <yahalom> Echelon-H, do sudo synaptic and search for hebrew, then find open office he or something
[08:48] <ApeR> yahalom; but i see rpm command in it !
[08:48] <yahalom> Echelon-H, then make sure that u have a hebrew font selected like aharoni
[08:48] <J35U5> tux can mosh when i play some system of a down.
[08:48] <AevaD> can anyone help me create a new partition?
[08:48] <dabaSlon> ApeR: I have no answer to that.
[08:48] <yahalom> ApeR, where?
[08:48] <ApeR> in ubuntu
[08:48] <yahalom> Echelon-H, get me?
[08:48] <DR_K13> sod ROCKS
[08:49] <yahalom> Echelon-H, it should do it automatically but it doesn always. openoffice 2 does, but the app itself is all in english
[08:49] <AevaD> dementted i have the cd if u want to download it
[08:49] <Kartagis> wow, desyncing is gone when I installed totem-xine
[08:49] <yahalom> ApeR, not sure what u mean br
[08:50] <Cutman> pfp: It didn't work
[08:50] <ApeR> yahalom; write in the shell rpm command and then press TAB
[08:50] <ApeR> look what is the result
[08:51] <Echelon-H> yahalom, one moment
[08:51] <yahalom> ApeR, so maybe it works :)
[08:51] <yahalom> ApeR, i always use alien
[08:51] <DR_K13> HUH
[08:52] <Trackilizer> hey guys
[08:52] <Trackilizer> need some advice
[08:52] <Belial_> hi i need help setting up Linksys EG1032 on ubuntu
[08:52] <Cutman> pfp: Maybe I'll just go for that new drive
[08:52] <Trackilizer> or rather help
[08:53] <Trackilizer> my prob:
[08:53] <yahalom> am i the only guys having an issue with gnome or does nobody use gnome anymore?
[08:53] <Trackilizer> ive used ubunti before and it was the only distro that i was able to connecto to the internet with
[08:53] <Juhaz> hoary thinks my system clock is in UTC/GMT, even though it's not, where is the setting for this?
[08:53] <Trackilizer> then i treid fedora core 3
[08:53] <Gus_> what does a green colored file mean when you use "ls" please ?
[08:54] <Juhaz> Gus_, one that has executable bit set
[08:54] <Trackilizer> and was amazed at the pakage update thingy the one with the GUI
[08:54] <AevaD> wtf my computer has no floppy drive, i never knew that
[08:54] <Trackilizer> something like "sy"
[08:54] <Trackilizer> anyway
[08:54] <Gus_> Juhaz, ok thanks =)
[08:54] <Trackilizer> how can i get that into ubuntu?
[08:54] <Trackilizer> anyone?
[08:55] <Fator_Dee> Trackilizer: synaptic
[08:55] <Cutman> pfp: Are you there?
[08:55] <Trackilizer> yes thats it
[08:56] <Fator_Dee> Trackilizer: what about it?
[08:56] <Trackilizer> how do i get it in ubuntu?
[08:56] <Trackilizer> like in fedora core 3?
[08:56] <Trackilizer> please use noob language
[08:56] <Trackilizer> never used linux before
[08:56] <pig> anybody knows how to open port 6881 for bt in ubuntu?
[08:56] <Trackilizer> apart from 2 weeks fedora
[08:57] <Fator_Dee> pig: do you have a firewall installed?
[08:57] <Fator_Dee> damn
[08:57] <K_Dallas> or a router?
[08:57] <Fator_Dee> he vanished :-\
[08:57] <K_Dallas> yes :) he was a pig afterall ;)
[08:57] <kf4enw> I'm having mousepad problems. Software seems to be here, but it doesn't work. Its a new Hoary Hedgehog install on a laptop
[08:57] <Fator_Dee> "Like a fart in the Sahara desert."
[08:57] <Trackilizer> anyone?
[08:58] <Juhaz> Trackilizer, you don't have to do anything, it's installed by default
[08:58] <Trackilizer> COOL!!!
[08:58] <Trackilizer> in that case im off to install ubuntu
[08:58] <Trackilizer> and where can it be found?
[08:58] <Juhaz> system/administration menu
[08:58] <Trackilizer> i have a few other quetions guys
[08:59] <Fator_Dee> Trackilizer: www.ubuntulinux.org
[08:59] <Trackilizer> does ubuntu support pulg and play for digicams
[08:59] <Trackilizer> and can i burn DVDs?
[08:59] <spacey> Trackilizer, my canon a95 camera works out of the box in ubuntu
[08:59] <transgress> Trackilizer: i plug and play with my camera... and i burn dvd's ... a lot.
[09:00] <spacey> burning dvd's works here too
[09:00] <transgress> although i'd suggest getting k3b for things like burning dvd img's
[09:00] <Triffid_Hunter> i use k3b for burning.. it does dvds ;)
[09:00] <Triffid_Hunter> hehe
[09:00] <Trackilizer> ok thanks alot
[09:00] <Trackilizer> bye
[09:00] <Trackilizer> and once again thanks alot guys
[09:00] <iceman2K> ANYONE GOOD A NETWORKING ?
[09:00] <Trackilizer> off to install ubuntu
[09:00] <Trackilizer> :)
[09:01] <transgress> iceman2K: turn off the caps... and what do you need?
[09:01] <AevaD> how can i create a partion to install ubunto on
[09:01] <dementted> fdisk and diskdruid?
[09:01] <transgress> AevaD: well you can use partition magic... you can use fdisk... umm... yeah there are other ways i'm not thinking of
[09:01] <transgress> yes diskdruid... that's what i was trying to think of.
[09:01] <dementted> I like cfdisk
[09:01] <transgress> yeah cfdisk is cool... i use it when i can
[09:01] <transgress> parted also works
[09:01] <AevaD> im trying to use partition magic right now
[09:02] <thesaltydog> AevaD, ubuntu does repartitioning during Hoary install.
[09:02] <iceman2K> I need serious help ... transgress i have ubuntu on my system ... set wifes system up with winlinux2003 and need to config the dhcp ... for network and internet ... there a way to do this from a term ?
[09:02] <transgress> winlinux?
[09:02] <transgress> iceman2K: ifconfig
[09:02] <transgress> wtf is winlinux?
[09:02] <AevaD> win4lin
[09:02] <transgress> oh okay
[09:03] <transgress> bleh
[09:03] <AevaD> right now i use blackbox4win
[09:03] <AevaD> but i want the real thing now
[09:03] <iceman2K> transgress winlinux is a redhat derivitive .. boots from a win 98 ... slowly moving her to linux ...
[09:03] <transgress> although booting into gnome and using the gui is by far easier...
[09:04] <transgress> for those who don't know the ins and outs of ifconfig... but if you only have a terminal... man ifconfig... learn it.  it'll help.
[09:04] <iceman2K> transgress ifconfig has her in a loopback ...
[09:04] <transgress> iceman2K: man ifconfig
[09:05] <transgress> to me you listen not
[09:05] <iceman2K> transgress sec .. moving between the two systems ... and thanks for the assist ..
[09:05] <dementted> ?
[09:05] <kengur> how to change fonts in Xchat?
[09:05] <transgress> well i must go make some OJ, then go hunt more oranges.
[09:05] <transgress> kengur: in the preferences
[09:05] <brad> hey ive got kind of a noob question, will my usb microphone work with ubuntu?
[09:06] <transgress> it will be quite hard to do a 14 day OJ fast w/o oranges!  so i shall see you all later.
[09:06] <skoop> ok guys, simple question probably. is there an easy way with apt-get/dpkg to downgrade glibc from 2.3.2 to 2.3.1 when on hoary?
[09:06] <transgress> why would you wanna downgrade glibc?
[09:06] <kengur> transgress, doh, it looks so akward i missed it alltogether
[09:06] <dementted> cyas
[09:06] <rg58sma> hi
[09:06] <skoop> transgress: because cxoffice is incompatible with 2.3.2
[09:07] <mcquaid> whats cxoffice?
[09:07] <transgress> skoop: downgrading will break a lot of shit
[09:07] <transgress> crossover office
[09:07] <mcquaid> oh crossover
[09:07] <skoop> transgress: will it break that much?
[09:07] <transgress> umm... yeah probably.
[09:07] <skoop> transgress: would it be possible to have them both installed side by side?
[09:08] <iceman2K> transgress io is same on my system ... does not list het eht0 settings ..
[09:08] <skoop> I guess I'd have to compile it myself, with a --prefix
[09:08] <transgress> i suppose you could downgrade to warty...
[09:08] <skoop> transgress: I just upgraded to warty with a lot of pain and trouble ;)
[09:08] <transgress> iceman2K: you can set them with ifconfig... such as ifconfig eth0 up 192.168.1.45
[09:08] <skoop> *to=from
[09:08] <transgress> iceman2K: man ifconfig
[09:09] <transgress> well honestly then... you're probably SOL
[09:09] <iceman2K> transgress ok my ip on net 192.168.0.100 ... should i set her to 192.168.0.101 ?
[09:09] <transgress> skoop: ^
[09:09] <transgress> oh wait you said it's dhcp?
[09:09] <transgress> iceman2K: you can probably run ifconfig eth0 up
[09:09] <transgress> and it'll take care of it
[09:10] <pfp> isnt it 'ifup eth0'
[09:10] <lampshade> usually
[09:11] <we2by> how do I set firefox to cache webpages for a week?
[09:11] <transgress> we2by: you don't... you set it to cache a certain amount of space
[09:12] <lampshade> we2by:  That's more a firefox question than an Ubuntu Linux question, but you can do it by space, not time that I'm aware of
[09:12] <Echelon-H> if i have now openoffice1 and I am installing 2, will it update or do I need to delete 1?
[09:12] <jnk> you can have both side by side
[09:13] <lampshade> Echelon-H:  IF you used apt-get it will handle it.
[09:13] <fdr> Hello... I have a directory full of jpeg that I'd like to resize to 800x600. I tried with ImageMagick but it's the first time I use it and can't make it work... any hints please?
[09:13] <Echelon-H> lampshade, k, I will
[09:13] <Echelon-H> anyways, do you recommand having 2 anyway?
[09:13] <lampshade> Echelon-H:  Though I thought that Ubuntu came with 2?
[09:14] <transgress> nah ubuntu comes with like 1.9x
[09:14] <lampshade> oh really?
[09:14] <iceman2K> transgress i type man ifconfig eth0 up ... brings up a lot of options ... im lost on this a bit ..
[09:14] <transgress> yar
[09:14] <transgress> umm apparently try ifup eth0
[09:14] <lampshade> iceman2K:  ifup eth0
[09:14] <transgress> iceman2K:
[09:14] <rg58sma> i have a ploblem with the superior border of all my aplication
[09:14] <iceman2K> transgress brb
[09:14] <Echelon-H> omg, that's a heavy program
[09:14] <rg58sma> is in the left corner
[09:15] <transgress> ha OOo 2?
[09:15] <transgress> it's made in mostly java
[09:15] <Echelon-H> lampshade, nah
[09:15] <Belial_> hi i need help setting up Linksys EG1032 on ubuntu please help
[09:15] <yahalom> Echelon-H, beseder/
[09:15] <yahalom> ?
[09:15] <kengur> can anyone help with xorg.conf?
[09:15] <nern> yes
[09:15] <transgress> kengur: what do you need?
[09:15] <nern> whats the xorg.conf prob
[09:16] <transgress> from topic:  Have a question? Just ask!
[09:16] <transgress> well ima go finally put some clothes on then i'm out of here
[09:16] <iceman2K> transgress humm failed to find the network ..
[09:17] <kengur> transgress, i need to switch keyboard layouts in xfce, how do i change between 'us' and 'ru'?
[09:17] <mastertet> Hi, just install hoary, like that everything is just working :)
[09:17] <transgress> iceman2K: is it connected to the network?
[09:17] <skoop> I seem to have this problem: http://www.codeweavers.com/support/docs/crossover-standard/troubleshooting#NO-INSTALLED-LIST however they're talking about a very old version of crossover office, and I've got version 3.0.1
[09:17] <transgress> kengur: umm... got me... probably by reconfiguring X... dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server
[09:17] <djp> can anyone help me with bluetooth configuration under hoary? i have a sony ericsson k700i mobile and want to use it over bluetooth
[09:18] <mastertet> Now, I waana install AfterStep window manager from source, apart of build-essential, what should I apt-get to compile it?
[09:18] <lampshade> kengur: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocaleConf might help
[09:18] <iceman2K> transgress yes ... in winblows it goes right on the net ... just configering the dhcp to find the network
[09:18] <jasp> fdr: try something like 'convert --resize 800x600 * '
[09:18] <nern> kengur: you should be able to change that easily through one line in xorg.conf
[09:18] <iceman2K> transgress shows the netcar in the hardware ... so its installed
[09:18] <nern> kengur: Option		"XkbLayout"	"us"
[09:18] <nern> change the us for the ru
[09:18] <krystalino> hi. Is there a way to use ubuntu packages in debian ?
[09:19] <jnk> you can try them...
[09:19] <kengur> nern, will i be able to use us still?
[09:19] <krystalino> Why is ubuntu better than knoppix installed on hd ?
[09:20] <nern> kengur: im not sure, i have never actually messed around with different keyboard layouts myself
[09:20] <vince_> has anyone succeeded in hybernating their laptop on ubuntu? I have a Compaq Presario 2100, and I do see the option hybernate, but then ubuntu stalls waiting for "wlan0 to become free"... Can anyone offer any advice? Thanks!
[09:20] <fdr> jasp: that does the resizing but messes up the filenames...
[09:20] <iceman2K> transgress ifup eth0 .. can you specify a ip with the command ?
[09:20] <kengur> thanks, i'll try
[09:20] <jnk> vince_, try unloading your wireless module before
[09:20] <spanglesontoast> anyone know much about getting fglrx working?
[09:21] <jnk> krystalino, ubuntu is a real distro
[09:21] <vince_> jnk, I use ndiswrapper; how do I unload it?
[09:21] <goldfish> vince_: man modprobe
[09:21] <jnk> vince_, well I don't know but look at the output from "lsmod"
[09:21] <ApeR> why i can't install rpm in ubuntu by rpm command ?
[09:21] <goldfish> modprobe  -e ndiswrapper, i think
[09:21] <vince_> ok
[09:21] <goldfish> ApeR: ITS A DEBIAN BASED DISTRO
[09:21] <krystalino> mmm ... knoppix too, what do you mean jnk ?
[09:21] <fdr> jasp: it outputs $name_of_last_file.{1,2,3,....}  for every input file
[09:22] <goldfish> vince_: modprobe -r
[09:22] <vince_> goldfish, I thought of that but will it start on reboot/resume?
[09:22] <Belial_> can someone help me set up a Linksys EG1032 nic in ubuntu PLEASE
[09:22] <jnk> krystalino, well maybe I'm misinformed... do you have a huge repository to add software from with knoppix?
[09:22] <nern> Aper: rather than downloading the packages why not try searching for them on synaptic and and installing them that way
[09:22] <jnk> vince_, yes
[09:22] <vince_> thanks
[09:23] <mcquaid> this is nothing ubuntu specific, just linux related.  when i first used linux a few years back and i'd create other users, i was surprised that other users had read access to other users dirs
[09:23] <ApeR> but rpm command is supported by ubuntu :)
[09:23] <krystalino> jnk, you have huge repository of debian
[09:23] <mcquaid> how does one prevent that besides manually changing the file/dir permissions
[09:23] <Choubaka> ApeR: not really.
[09:23] <mcquaid> what i mean is at the actual user creation process
[09:23] <lampshade> ApeR:  just use apt unless you really have a reason to use rpm.  As easy as sudo apt-get install programname  most of the time
[09:23] <Choubaka> you can install rpm, but using it would be quite insane.
[09:24] <darkaudit> ApeR: if there's a .deb for the package, you're much better off with that
[09:24] <Choubaka> mcquaid: it's configurable somewhere, definitely.
[09:24] <jnk> krystalino, ah... that's... right :)  I don't know then, how it differs from a debian install...
[09:24] <nern> yes
[09:24] <ApeR> Choubaka; write in shell rpm and then press TAB ;)
[09:24] <ApeR> check it
[09:24] <mcquaid> ya i know it must be, still, i find the default kinda weird
[09:24] <Choubaka> ApeR: so?
[09:24] <krystalino> installation of knoppix is 20 min, as with ubuntu. I don't really see the advantage of ubuntu, excuse me ...
[09:24] <Choubaka> ApeR: installing packages with rpm is still insane.
[09:24] <ApeR> ok
[09:24] <Choubaka> krystalino: ubuntu is a _real_ distro
[09:25] <Choubaka> krystalino: it's intended to be installed on the HD
[09:25] <ApeR> where is i can found CDs for Full packages ?
[09:25] <darkaudit> krystalino: ubuntu doesn't do a mix-and-match of repo's like knoppix does. You'll get a much more stable system with Ubuntu
[09:25] <jnk> mcquaid, /etc/adduser.conf
[09:25] <Choubaka> it has stable repositories, security updates, support, and a community. :)
[09:25] <ApeR> i'm download 1 cd for ubuntu 5.4
[09:25] <nern> ubuntu uses xorg and the most up to date kde and gnome packages are in its official repos
[09:26] <nern> theres a couple advantages
[09:26] <krystalino> knoppix isn't intended to, u right but, but installation of knoppix really works great
[09:26] <mcquaid> jnk, thx
[09:26] <Choubaka> krystalino: so does ubuntu's :|
[09:26] <krystalino> is ubuntu only one branch ? (sarge ??
[09:26] <jnk> mcquaid, it seems privacy was not a great concern in the hacker community, IIRC RMS used to have his directory world-writable
[09:26] <Choubaka> ubuntu doesn't have branches like Debian
[09:26] <darkaudit> ubuntu is it's own, but is based on Sid...
[09:26] <Choubaka> Only Stable and Development.
[09:27] <jasp> fdr, des this work? make a new dir, and run convert from there, so the output of the convert command is saved in the new directory, instead of the source directory.
[09:27] <krystalino> Choubaka, i especially like the auto mounter of hd devices on knoppix, and also all utilities that makes hardware to be recognised without configuration. Is it the same on ubuntu ?
[09:27] <ApeR> Choubaka; where i can found cd 2 and 3 etc.. for ubuntu ?
[09:27] <mcquaid> ah ya thats true
[09:27] <Choubaka> ApeR: cd 2? cd 3?
[09:27] <nern> aper: there is only one cd
[09:27] <darkaudit> knoppix takes stuff from stable, testing, and unstable... much more likely to break when updated
[09:27] <lampshade> ApeR: there isn't?  I got nothing?
[09:27] <mcquaid> the whole make your password enter kinda thing
[09:28] <ApeR> i know but no another cds ?
[09:28] <lampshade> ApeR:  what else do you need?
[09:28] <rg58sma> y
[09:28] <krystalino> darkaudit, i never had problems on updating knoppix
[09:28] <mcquaid> really interesting documentary btw, 'the rise of linux'
[09:28] <lampshade> you can probably find the program you are looking for in the repositories
[09:28] <Choubaka> yes
[09:28] <ApeR> i need install full packages
[09:28] <Choubaka> why?
[09:28] <rg58sma> hi i lost the bar of all my windows and aplication
[09:28] <lampshade> ApeR: yeah the repos will do that for you.  sudo apt-get install programname
[09:28] <rg58sma> and cant move
[09:28] <Choubaka> Have you got a machine with no internet connection?
[09:28] <djp> bluetooth and ubuntu anybody?
[09:29] <krystalino> i may try ubuntu and have my personnal opinion, i just don't have enough hd space ;)
[09:29] <ApeR> ahh
[09:29] <nern> ubuntu has a livecd too
[09:29] <ApeR> cool
[09:29] <krystalino> can you just tell me if hardware is recognised automatically ?
[09:29] <ApeR> ok
[09:29] <krystalino> nern, ? where ?
[09:29] <ApeR> thanks men
[09:29] <lampshade> krystalino: most is
[09:29] <krystalino> lampshade, i'm thinking of video, sound and network especially
[09:30] <darkaudit> krystalino: for the most part... Ubuntu install found my firewire ports straight away :)
[09:30] <krystalino> wow, darkaudit
[09:30] <tsw> krystalino: and even 3com wlan card
[09:30] <krystalino> ! great !
[09:30] <ubotu> well, great  is cool
[09:31] <nern> krystalino: http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/
[09:31] <darkaudit> krystalino: and the network and sound :)
[09:31] <krystalino> nern, thanks. Is it a live cd to test it ? or to install it ?
[09:31] <lampshade> krystalino:  I think you'll be ok.  You can always try the livecd.  ATI and Nvidia drivers are really easy to install.  I've never had ubuntu not detect networking so that should be ok
[09:31] <jasp> rg58sma:  your window-manager has crashed, try to find someway to start the program "metacity". you can type it in a terminal f.e (if you allready have one open)
[09:31] <krystalino> cool. then i'll give it a try
[09:31] <nern> krystalino: they have a live cd and an install cd and a dvd that works as a both
[09:31] <darkaudit> only extra I had to do was dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to use the nvidia drivers vs. the generic nv driver
[09:32] <nern> krystalino: im pretty sure the livecd is just to test, i dont think it supports hd install, but the dvd can be booted as a live cd or used as an install cd.
[09:33] <krystalino> i especially need one feature of knoppix : automatic hardware recognition at boot. So i have only one ghost image that i can deploy on several Pcs. Can i do the same with ubuntu ?
[09:33] <chrissturm> it seems that all hotkeys are broken in breezy. when i press ctrl-v to paste something gedit creates a new buffer
[09:33] <krystalino> several different PCs
[09:33] <spanglesontoast> how do fglrx
[09:33] <spanglesontoast> to work?
[09:33] <nern> krystalino: and as for hardware, ubuntu automatically detected and configured my network and sound. And i only have to change one line in xorg.conf to fix my resolution.
[09:34] <iceman2K> Crap how to config my wifes system for internet ...
[09:34] <spanglesontoast> how do I make fglrx work?
[09:35] <krystalino> nern, does it detects and configure hardware at __boot time__ or at __installation time__ ?
[09:35] <nern> krystalino: installation im pretty sure
[09:35] <krystalino> :/
[09:36] <krystalino> ok, it doesn't fit my needs, then. But i'll give it a try tho
[09:36] <iceman2K> anyone familure with older red hat installs ...
[09:36] <nern> krystalino: ive never used the livecd though
[09:36] <Fator_Dee> spanglesontoast: what's wrong with it?
[09:36] <[Spooky] > what does the PUL law determens ?
[09:36] <krystalino> nern, with knoppix, it detects hardware even after  an hd installation
[09:36] <spanglesontoast> well how do I get it working
[09:36] <iceman2K> transgress cant turn on the eth0 ... it wound stay on ..
[09:37] <krystalino> but with proper modules, i may achive that too tho
[09:37] <iceman2K> transgress it can turn on .. but no packets .. all are lost ...
[09:37] <Fator_Dee> spanglesontoast: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:40] <spanglesontoast> yea I did that
[09:40] <Fator_Dee> spanglesontoast: well, what is the problem?
[09:40] <spanglesontoast> well cedega doesn't even run
[09:40] <Fator_Dee> well, that necessarily doesn't have anything to do with it
[09:41] <spanglesontoast> and I cannot select which resolution
[09:41] <spanglesontoast> I want
[09:41] <Fator_Dee> what does "glxinfo | grep direct" say
[09:41] <spanglesontoast> direct rendering: No
[09:41] <spanglesontoast> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[09:42] <Belial_> holy crap, Linksys advertises this NIC as linux compatable, but the only drivers they have available go up to kernel 2.4, the driver does a check, sees a new kernel and says no
[09:42] <Fator_Dee> spanglesontoast: put your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log to www.pastebin.com
[09:43] <Fator_Dee> spanglesontoast: and you did restart X afterwards?
[09:43] <spanglesontoast> ya
[09:43] <Belial_> hi can someone help me please
[09:44] <anto9us> is it possible to change the fullscreen resolution in totem?
[09:44] <spanglesontoast> http://pastebin.com/292352
[09:44] <spanglesontoast> http://pastebin.com/292354
[09:46] <neuneu> h
[09:47] <Stinkywrix> I've got a question with Cedega. Is it true with the latest patch, you can't play World of Warcraft in opengl?
[09:47] <spanglesontoast> ?
[09:47] <shining> hi
[09:47] <bur[n] er> anyone use mpd??
[09:48] <shining> is anyone using the new fglrx driver ?
[09:48] <shining> mine is 5 months old
[09:48] <shining> I can't find the last one
[09:48] <spanglesontoast> well we are just working with it at the moment shining
[09:48] <spanglesontoast> fator you found anything there?
[09:48] <shining> spanglesontoast: its released for months, but thats good to hear
[09:49] <spanglesontoast> just
[09:49] <spanglesontoast> in cs:s
[09:49] <spanglesontoast> I have a nice white glare
[09:49] <spanglesontoast> all over the game
[09:50] <mez> how much does cedega cost anyways?
[09:50] <mez> and does it play Dawn Of War?
[09:50] <spanglesontoast> about 5 I think
[09:50] <spanglesontoast> every 3 months
[09:50] <mez> meh
[09:50] <spanglesontoast> http://www.eddland.plus.com/s1.png
[09:50] <mez> I cant even afford that
[09:50] <spanglesontoast> have alook at my cs:s
[09:51] <Fanskapet> agh.. phpeclipse is fucking my brain :((((
[09:51] <Fanskapet> *starts chewing on the keyboard*
[09:51] <Fator_Dee> spanglesontoast: you don't have to msg me
[09:52] <Fator_Dee> I'm looking at it all the time
[09:52] <spanglesontoast> ah ok
[09:52] <sijp> hi
[09:53] <AevaD> what partition type should i make for ubunto?
[09:53] <spanglesontoast> upto you
[09:53] <spanglesontoast> most people use ext3
[09:53] <iceman2K> well crud .. i got eth 0 to broadcast ... but still no internet
[09:54] <Fator_Dee> spanglesontoast: well, I can't find anything that would indicate a problem
[09:54] <Blissex> AevaD: use 'ext3', I jsut did several benchmarks and for workstartions it is pretty good.
[09:54] <Shuddertrix> AevaD: Most people usually use ext3 but it's your choice (xfs, ext2, ext3, reiserfs, jfs, etc.)
[09:54] <Fator_Dee> ext3 is good
[09:54] <spanglesontoast> odd ain't it
[09:55] <Fator_Dee> spanglesontoast: did you modprobe fgrlx?
[09:55] <Fator_Dee> *fglrx
[09:56] <kumbi> hi guys
[09:56] <shining> is there a way to test the new fglrx driver since it isnt officially released yet?
[09:56] <iceman2K> got a system eth0 broadcasting .. no internet though ... how to turn on dhcp ?
[09:56] <Shuddertrix> hard drives, go with ext3, it seems to be about the same speed and you'll never notice the difference anyways..
[09:56] <spanglesontoast> FATAL: Module fgrlx? not found.
[09:56] <Shuddertrix> spanglesontoast: no question mark.
[09:57] <Fator_Dee> spanglesontoast: I corrected myself afterwards :-\
[09:57] <spanglesontoast> same lol
[09:57] <Fator_Dee> spanglesontoast: I typoed it first
[09:57] <spanglesontoast> FATAL: Module fgrlx not found.
[09:57] <Fator_Dee> *fglrx
[09:58] <spanglesontoast> with *?
[09:58] <rat51man> no
[09:58] <Fator_Dee> * indicates a correction
[09:58] <rat51man> Indeed.
[09:58] <nern> wee
[09:58] <spanglesontoast> ok
[09:59] <spanglesontoast> well It said module not there
[09:59] <Fator_Dee> you sure you have it installed?
[09:59] <rat51man> Correctly installed?
[09:59] <we2by> any one has vmware 5 installed successfully?
[09:59] <Fator_Dee> because, it *should* be there if you say you have installed it
[09:59] <AevaD> when i create a partition for linux, is it logical or primary(im using partition magic)
[10:00] <rat51man> Primary
[10:00] <sijp> spanglesontoast, what is the output of : modprobe -l|grep fglrx
[10:00] <Th4tBa5t4rd> okay, i'm done playing with the LiveCD is there a way to instal from the LiveCD or should i just download copy of the insall ISO?
[10:00] <Shuddertrix> we2by: I do.
[10:00] <rat51man> You gotta download it.
[10:00] <Rytmis> Fyi: the network problems vanished when I removed dhclient and installed dhcpcd.
[10:01] <Th4tBa5t4rd> can't seem to find an answer to that on the webage
[10:01] <rat51man> we2by: I do too.
[10:01] <Shuddertrix> we2by: It installed fine for me, and it works perfectly.
[10:01] <we2by> I need the gcc basic compile essential installed and the kernel header files?
[10:01] <Shuddertrix> Great for when crossover won't run a windows application
[10:01] <spanglesontoast> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-k7/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko
[10:01] <Shuddertrix> we2by: yeah
[10:02] <Th4tBa5t4rd> another dl...feel kinda bad about blowin the bandwidth on that. How's the speed on the Bittorrents for ubuntu?
[10:02] <Shuddertrix> Th4tBa5t4rd: download the install iso.
[10:02] <sijp> then I guess it is installed
[10:02] <Sauron21> HI....I was wondering if anyone uses the program "ik" (installkernel) ?? and if they are....is it any good??
[10:02] <sijp> do you have the error after using the modprobe command?
[10:02] <Shuddertrix> Th4tBa5t4rd: I've found that the ubuntu torrents are slower then just downloading it from a fast mirror..
[10:02] <spanglesontoast> which one
[10:03] <hoovernj> If I forget the root pasword, am I screwed?
[10:03] <Th4tBa5t4rd> well. i guess after i have it all set up i'll toss a couple on my server
[10:03] <spanglesontoast> edd@spangles:~$ modprobe fgrlx
[10:03] <spanglesontoast> FATAL: Module fgrlx not found.
[10:03] <Fator_Dee> spanglesontoast: sudo modprobe :-|
[10:03] <Fator_Dee> and it's FGLRX!!! without the capitalization :-|
[10:03] <Shuddertrix> Th4tBa5t4rd: And there's the chance of not having it on when the faster seeds are on (it always happened to me, i guess)
[10:03] <Th4tBa5t4rd> i'm going to be using the AMD64 distro
[10:03] <sijp> you said : "well It said module not there"
[10:03] <Shuddertrix> spanglesontoast: sudo modprobe fglrx
[10:04] <spanglesontoast> not found
[10:04] <Th4tBa5t4rd> seems to run quite a bit faster than x64 on my box
[10:04] <spanglesontoast> FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-k7/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted
[10:04] <spanglesontoast> ah
[10:04] <Fator_Dee> spanglesontoast: sudo...
[10:04] <Molly> Hi.. is there a way that I should go about asking a question?
[10:04] <spanglesontoast> ya
[10:04] <sijp> what kernel are you using? use the "uname -r" command
[10:04] <spanglesontoast> edd@spangles:~$ sudo modprobe fglrx
[10:04] <spanglesontoast> FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-k7/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted
[10:04] <Shuddertrix> Th4tBa5t4rd: yeah, wx64 isn't that fast on my friend's box either, it's slower then x32 or linux.. strange
[10:04] <spanglesontoast> 2.6.10-5-k7
[10:05] <Th4tBa5t4rd> you know, even though i hate IE, IE64 bit is faster than Firefox
[10:05] <Shuddertrix> Th4tBa5t4rd: Isn't there a 64bit compiled version of Firefox floating around?
[10:05] <Th4tBa5t4rd> but i guess that isn't fair, running Firefox in emulation...bleh
[10:06] <Fator_Dee> Molly: ask a question and give as much info to us as you can
[10:06] <Shuddertrix> Ah well, the firefox in linux is still fast ;)
[10:06] <spanglesontoast> anything wrong me using that kernel?
[10:06] <Fator_Dee> spanglesontoast: no
[10:06] <Fanskapet> yeah.. the emulator sure slows down FireFox.
[10:06] <Fator_Dee> spanglesontoast: lsmod | grep fglrx <- what does that say
[10:06] <Th4tBa5t4rd> i couldn't google for a 64Firefox
[10:06] <Fanskapet> still. i use FireFox in XP64 anyways :P
[10:06] <Molly> I just installed the Hoary release of Ubuntu today, and I can't do anything that requires root privileges.. I tried logging in as root from the main screen and it told me I couldn't, and every time it prompts me for my password to change users, it says, "Failed to run /usr/bin/syntaptic: child terminated with 1 status"
[10:07] <Molly> (Where whatever it's trying to run may be different based on what I'm trying to do, obviously.)
[10:07] <Fator_Dee> Molly: ubuntu uses sudo, there is no root user
[10:07] <spanglesontoast> says nothing
[10:07] <sijp> Molly, you should enter your user pswrd
[10:07] <Fator_Dee> Molly: eg, sudo synaptic, and you can open synaptic with roor privileges
[10:07] <teebones> Fator_Dee, sure there is a root user
[10:07] <Fator_Dee> teebones: well, not as an "user" user :-p
[10:07] <Shuddertrix> Fator_Dee: root is there, just "hidden"
[10:08] <Molly> sijp: When I enter my user password, it does the same thing.
[10:08] <Fator_Dee> teebones: you know what I mean, dammit! ;-)
[10:08] <Fanskapet> IE is too damn awfully bad rendering pages to be used in my opinion :)
[10:08] <Shuddertrix> Fator_Dee: You can give it a passwd and it will be the root account - the superuser
[10:08] <medkit> It took me five hours to figure out that what human beings call "spdif out" is adressed as "IEC958 output" in that alsa mixer.
[10:08] <teebones> Fator_Dee, yes,, i know what you mean.. i'm just teasing ;-)
[10:08] <Fator_Dee> explain it yourself if you are not satisfied with my explanations :-(
[10:08] <sijp> I did not ment in the login menu, I ment when you are promped for a password while in your user account
[10:08] <sijp> mean*
[10:09] <Fator_Dee> spanglesontoast: I don't have a clue what could be wrong with your system
[10:09] <Molly> sijp: That's what I meant to.  I get the same error message if I am prompted for a password while in my user account and I give it either my user password or my root (or sudo, it seems) password..
[10:10] <Fator_Dee> Molly: are you the only user in your computer?
[10:10] <spanglesontoast> hmm I'm going to restart
[10:10] <spanglesontoast> and see if it still does it
[10:10] <spanglesontoast> brb
[10:10] <sobersabre> Molly, what was the 1st user you've created with ubuntu ?
[10:10] <Molly> Fator_Dee: Yes, I am.. and I tried running sudo synaptic in the 'run application' dialog and nothing happened..
[10:11] <Fator_Dee> Molly: you have to run it in terminal
[10:11] <Fator_Dee> Molly: sudo synaptic, that is
[10:11] <Fator_Dee> Molly: because it asks your password in the terminal, to execute it from the run application you have to write gksudo synaptic
[10:11] <teebones> Molly, try in the following command in the "run application" : xterm
[10:12] <teebones> (it opens a terminal window)
[10:12] <medkit> How to set the proper TV resolution for TV Out with the ATI Control panel or in xorg.conf?
[10:12] <shad0w1e> anyone know how I can set up a sendmail server?
[10:12] <teebones> shad0w1e, yes
[10:12] <shad0w1e> I installed sendmail and opened up ports 25 and 110
[10:12] <shad0w1e> but I still can't telnet in
[10:13] <teebones> what did you enter as command then?
[10:13] <shad0w1e> telnet ipaddress 25
[10:13] <teebones> did it respond in any way?
[10:13] <shad0w1e> yes
[10:13] <Molly> Now it is telling me that my username is "not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported."
[10:13] <shad0w1e> could not open connection...
[10:13] <we2by> how do u configure vmware not to use /dev/dsp, and instead suing esd?
[10:13] <teebones> try : sudo netstat -tan
[10:14] <teebones> do you see something like ipaddress:25 LISTEN?
[10:14] <sobersabre> where shall i ask q.-s about anjuta ?
[10:14] <Fator_Dee> shad0w1e: I suggest "man telnet" to you, you don't specify ip like that
[10:14] <shad0w1e> no I dont
[10:14] <shad0w1e> yes you do
[10:14] <shad0w1e> Im using the windows telnet
[10:15] <Fator_Dee> :-/
[10:15] <Fator_Dee> heresy
[10:15] <teebones> shad0w1e, ok.. make sure the sendmail is running then...
[10:15] <Shuddertrix> we2by: I don't know, i don't use esd
[10:15] <shad0w1e> in fact, it said "could not open telnet on port (whatever). It got the port right
[10:15] <shad0w1e> I did /etc/init.d/sendmail start
[10:15] <sobersabre> Molly, are you deaf ( blind ) ?
[10:15] <shad0w1e> and it said Already running
[10:15] <sobersabre> what is the 1st user you've created on the system ?
[10:16] <teebones> ok.. you could try this telnet session on the linux itself..
[10:16] <teebones> (from as terminal)
[10:16] <Molly> sobresabre: No.. I'm trying to remember.. I think I had to give the "root" password, and then I created the user I'm using now..
[10:16] <knipknap> can anyone with a running iPod mini provide me with the partition table layout?
[10:16] <teebones> to see if it is blocked by a relay rule.. or ACL
[10:16] <Fator_Dee> Molly: are you absolutely positively sure you are on the first account created on your computer?
[10:16] <Crono5788> Where's the system log?
[10:16] <Fator_Dee> Molly: then you are not using ubuntu :-\
[10:16] <teebones> to prevent other nodes beside linux itself to react
[10:16] <Fator_Dee> Molly: ubuntu doesn't ask for a root password
[10:16] <shad0w1e> wait I actually DO see 25
[10:16] <Molly> Nevermind.. anyway, this is the first user I created, yes.
[10:17] <shad0w1e> however it says 127.0.0.1:25
[10:17] <teebones> shad0w1e,  ok
[10:17] <sobersabre> Molly, don't think. see /etc/passwd file, and find user with the smallest UID ( i don't mean UIDs < 500 )
[10:17] <Molly> But I had to give a separate password at some point, for something....
[10:17] <teebones> there you go
[10:17] <sobersabre> Molly, you gave password for your user.
[10:17] <sijp> Molly, open up /etc/sudoers , and check the user name in there
[10:17] <shad0w1e> NOT 0.0.0.0:25
[10:17] <shad0w1e> (like the other stuff, that do work)
[10:17] <medkit> Crono5788, /var/log hold a lot of logs
[10:17] <shining> omg ubuntu sux
[10:17] <sobersabre> root is disabled by default in ubuntu.
[10:17] <teebones> shad0w1e, it means that it only reacts on the LO interface, not you lan
[10:17] <shad0w1e> teebones: it needs to be 0.0.0.0 ?
[10:18] <Crono5788> Ty medkit , found it
[10:18] <sobersabre> shining, are you a bored bot or you have a problem ?
[10:18] <japoeder> I don't mean to interrupt, but is there anyone who can offer some guidance on installing Java1.5.0?  I am having a hell of a time getting it installed (it probably doesn't help that I have only been using Ubuntu for a few days).
[10:18] <teebones> shad0w1e, what do you want to astablish with sendmail?
[10:18] <teebones> err establish
[10:18] <shad0w1e> im lost. for the time being, at least incoming
[10:18] <shad0w1e> from err the internet
[10:18] <sobersabre> japoeder, do you need JRE or SDK ?
[10:18] <japoeder> jre
[10:19] <sobersabre> have you downloaded it from java.sun.com ?
[10:19] <teebones> shad0w1e, well do you know the concept behind mailservers? (terms and such)
[10:19] <Molly> sijp: I can't display sudoers, it says..
[10:19] <japoeder> yeah, I have followed the instructions as well
[10:19] <japoeder> I want it for limewire and as a plugin
[10:19] <Molly> sobersabre: what is a UID?
[10:19] <medkit> japoeder, follow http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[10:19] <sobersabre> passwd file looks like this:
[10:19] <shad0w1e> teebones: no.
[10:20] <sobersabre> daemon:x:1:1:daemon:/usr/sbin:/bin/sh
[10:20] <shad0w1e> I woke up today and decided I want to make a mailserver
[10:20] <Fator_Dee> Molly: User ID
[10:20] <sobersabre> Molly, the 3rd field is UID, the 4th is GID
[10:20] <quailster> japoeder: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
[10:20] <teebones> shad0w1e, ok.. a little (simple) background lesson then..
[10:21] <shad0w1e> yea.
[10:21] <shad0w1e> I mean I set up ssh, telnet, vsftpd, and VNC all by myself...
[10:21] <goldfish> eh.
[10:21] <teebones> shad0w1e, ok.. :)
[10:21] <shad0w1e> is this like WAY more complicated?
[10:21] <japoeder> thanks guys, I will check them out and get back to you
[10:21] <quailster> japoeder: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java is what I used to install Java on my ubuntu
[10:21] <sobersabre> japoeder, that page installs sdk
[10:22] <sobersabre> i find it very easy to install vanilla sun java
[10:22] <Molly> sobersabre/Fator_Dee: Is UID = 1000 possibly the first user?
[10:22] <teebones> shad0w1e, depends.. the problem is that sendmail has huge possibilities.. but also if known to be kinda complicated to configure
[10:22] <teebones> if = is
[10:22] <bkw> Does ubuntu has problems playing normal audio cds? I don't get any sound and the CD-player doesnt start playing.
[10:22] <sobersabre> Molly, yes, i think so.
[10:22] <Fator_Dee> Molly: yes it is
[10:22] <sobersabre> bkw, play with the mixer, and run a CD player 1st.
[10:22] <Molly> sobresabre: Okay, that's the one I'm logged into right now..
[10:22] <quailster> I find the wiki pages to be quite useful for solving common problems in Ubuntu.
[10:23] <teebones> shad0w1e, i'm not going to tell you everything.. that would take me hours of typing... but...
[10:23] <sobersabre> if you run "id" command, do you see "admin" ?
[10:23] <sobersabre> Molly, that was meant for you ...
[10:23] <teebones> shad0w1e, I will explain the process....
[10:24] <shad0w1e> k.
[10:24] <sobersabre> Molly, what do you see if you run "id" ?
[10:24] <teebones> shad0w1e, 1) the mailserver needs to be connected to the internet (thus also accept connection to port 25 tcp)
[10:24] <shad0w1e> POSITIVE!
[10:25] <Molly> groups=4(adm)
[10:25] <Molly> among other things
[10:25] <Molly> Sorry, I'm still trying to get the hang of this.. thank you for your patience..
[10:25] <teebones> 2) you need to setup RELAYING the proper way, thus dissalowing sending mail from the wrong networks... (like the internet)
[10:25] <sobersabre> Molly, is this ubuntu hoary  or warty ?
[10:25] <shad0w1e> what?
[10:25] <teebones> over your mailserver to another mailserver
[10:25] <Molly> sobersabre: Hoary
[10:25] <bkw> sobersabre: nothing happens, even if I have the cdplayer started before I instert the cd. I can see all the song titles, but it still doesnt start playing.
[10:26] <teebones> 3) you need to let the mailserver know for wich domains it is held responsible for (receiving mail)
[10:26] <sijp> bkw, start the player from the terminal, and check for errors
[10:26] <sobersabre> bkw, do you see the time advancing ?
[10:26] <shad0w1e> im still at step 2
[10:26] <sobersabre> bkw, have you listened to a CD before on this machine ?
[10:27] <Molly> sobersabre: I also see 107(lpadmin)
[10:27] <bkw> sobersabre: no, I press play it it jumps back.
[10:27] <DekaPink> Hey all~
[10:27] <bkw> sobersabre: no
[10:27] <sobersabre> bkw, you need to set the cdrom link properly
[10:27] <sobersabre> is this a CDwriter or DVD rom ?
[10:27] <teebones> 4) The domains dns zone should have your mailserver in it (MX record)
[10:27] <shad0w1e> I have a ddns account...
[10:27] <sobersabre> hm... on the other hand you say you see the track names...
[10:28] <sobersabre> stop..
[10:28] <bkw> ** (gnome-cd:9638): WARNING **: Could not open CD device for reading. ;  ** (gnome-cd:9638): WARNING **: cdparanoia: failed opening cd
[10:28] <sobersabre> Molly, if you run: sudo vipw
[10:28] <teebones> 5) you need to setup aliasses (user accounts and/or aliasses)
[10:28] <bkw> sobersabre: i does mount the cd without any problems
[10:28] <bkw> it
[10:28] <teebones> 6) configure your imap/pop server properly
[10:28] <sobersabre> bkw, is this an audio CD or a data CD ?
[10:29] <japoeder> It worked, thanks guys/girls.  Hoorayy for Ubuntu!!!!
[10:29] <teebones> 7) activate spammassasin and Mailscanner on the mailserver
[10:29] <teebones> 8) active the hole of services
[10:29] <teebones> 9) test it out
[10:29] <teebones> 10) done
[10:29] <bkw> sobersabre: I think it's both, cause I'am actually only see data files atm.
[10:29] <sobersabre> japoeder, what worked ?
[10:29] <Apfelstrudel> Hi Everyone
[10:29] <japoeder> the java instructions
[10:29] <sobersabre> bkw, are you on a KDE or GNOME ?
[10:29] <bkw> sobersabre: gnome
[10:29] <Molly> sobresabre: It asked me for my password, then told me that my username was "not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported."
[10:30] <sobersabre> if you run "grep root /etc/passwd
[10:30] <DekaPink> My friend seems to like it... I haven't found a distribution to stick to yet, though.
[10:30] <teebones> shad0w1e, with these pointers and google you should come to a working system
[10:30] <sobersabre> do you see "!" in the 2nd position ?
[10:30] <shad0w1e> teebones: thanks
[10:30] <tnix> hey people, are any of you perhaps able to tell me what kernel Ubuntu 4.10 came with? Google is giving me nothing..
[10:30] <teebones> shad0w1e, I read a book about sendmail (300 pages)
[10:30] <Apfelstrudel> I have one Question: I want to Download the LiveCD for Testing, but if ubuntu works great on my Laptop, i won`t download an extra install cd! Is there an Way to make an HDD Install from LiveCD ?
[10:30] <shad0w1e> I wrote em down
[10:31] <Molly> sobersabre: assuming that was for me, no, I don't.. I see "x" in the second position.
[10:31] <sobersabre> tnix, try www.ubuntulinux.org...
[10:31] <sijp> Molly, that means this is not your first user
[10:31] <bkw> sobersabre: any ideas?
[10:31] <sobersabre> do you see "!" ?
[10:31] <tnix> sobersabre, yeah, already did.. says nothing about previous releases and their specs, unfortunately
[10:31] <sobersabre> this is untrue.. fortunately.
[10:31] <synd> woohoo!
[10:31] <teebones> shad0w1e, ok.. and also if in doubt about the relaying part (wich is almost the most important one) you can do a relay test on the net ;-)
[10:31] <Molly> No, I see "x".  So, how do I find my first user? :-/
[10:32] <iceman2K> Anyone useing a Compaq system ? that can tell me the proper net driver for onbaord net .. intel pro 10/100 net onboard
[10:32] <sobersabre> Molly, have you installed from a CD or you upgraded from Debian ?
[10:32] <Molly> sobresabre: Installed from a CD.
[10:32] <Crono5788> Anyone know how to get a WEP key?
[10:32] <sobersabre> "x" means root has a password.
[10:32] <Crono5788> Anyone know how to get a WEP key?
[10:32] <sobersabre> hoary doesn't come like that out of the box.
[10:32] <synd> WEP is the "password" for your network
[10:32] <synd> Crono5788,
[10:33] <synd> Crono5788, the WEP key, rather
[10:33] <sobersabre> Crono5788, if you run a wifi net on WEP,... better dont.
[10:33] <synd> sobersabre, is better than nothing
[10:33] <sobersabre> WEP is security by stupidity
[10:33] <Molly> sobresabre: I did an expert setup so that it wouldn't reformat my entire hard drive.
[10:33] <iceman2K> im still looking for the dang any key on my keyboard .... ;)
[10:33] <sobersabre> synd, no, MAC filtering is better.
[10:33] <synd> sobersabre, yes, it is
[10:33] <teebones> iceman2K, me too
[10:34] <sobersabre> Molly, r u alive ?
[10:34] <shad0w1e> teebones: is relaying necessary?
[10:34] <sobersabre> do you remember your root password or not ?
[10:34] <Molly> sobresabre: Yes, I'm alive.. are you getting my messages?
[10:34] <Crono5788> Hello?
[10:34] <iceman2K> any one ever find the "any key" ... my keyboard does not have one ... ;)
[10:34] <synd> sobersabre, i have to disable all but WEP on my Airport Express router so that Ubuntu can log into the network.
[10:34] <teebones> shad0w1e, in the wrong way, yes you need it..
[10:34] <Molly> Yes, I remember it.. that's when I get the message that I mentioned at the very beginning...
[10:34] <shad0w1e> where "don't" I want to recieve mail froM ?????
[10:34] <sobersabre> synd, i use WPA, and MAC filtered on Belkin.
[10:35] <teebones> shad0w1e, relaying means, allowing to send mail through a mailserver (in this case your mailserver)
[10:35] <synd> sobersabre, and Ubuntu can log into that?
[10:35] <teebones> so, yes you need relaying for your computers ONLY
[10:35] <shad0w1e> I want to be able to recieve mail from the WWW
[10:35] <sobersabre> synd, i am chatting with it :)
[10:35] <teebones> that way, only your computers can send mail through your server.. nobody else..
[10:35] <synd> sobersabre, i can enable WPA and used to have it, but I encountered problems logging into the network with my Ubuntu computers.
[10:36] <sobersabre> synd, you need a program wpasupplicant
[10:36] <sobersabre> and you need proper drivers..
[10:36] <synd> sobersabre, wpasupplicant ?
[10:36] <sobersabre> which wlan card do you use ?
[10:36] <teebones> shad0w1e, that's possible if you open port 25 and have setup the domain part the right way
[10:36] <sobersabre> synd, yes.
[10:36] <teebones> but then again, only do it if you have setup relaying properly
[10:36] <shad0w1e> what do you mean by "setup the domain part the right way
[10:36] <Molly> sobersabre: It won't even let me type "sudo synaptic".. it says that my username is not in the sudoers file..
[10:37] <sobersabre> Molly, run "su -"
[10:37] <sobersabre> give root password.
[10:37] <synd> sobersabre, I use a U.S. Robotics card in one  of my laptops, and a D-Link in my desktop. dont know the model #s off the top of my head
[10:37] <shad0w1e> sobersabre: once in root accout, run chuser
[10:37] <sobersabre> and use plain text command line: apt-get install package_name
[10:37] <teebones> shad0w1e, step 4
[10:37] <shad0w1e> teebones: thanks
[10:37] <mayco> anybody have an idea when gst-plugins 0.8.9 will be uploaded to breezy?
[10:37] <sobersabre> you don't HAVE to use sudo.
[10:38] <teebones> and step 3 too
[10:38] <Molly> sobersabre: I got logged into user, but I can't run synaptic from there..
[10:38] <synd> sudo synaptic
[10:38] <sobersabre> if you insist ( which is good ), use "visudo", but learn how to use it first.
[10:38] <sobersabre> but you must run "visudo" as root.
[10:38] <synd> how does one enter other usernames into the sudoers file?
[10:38] <shad0w1e> teebones: how do I send mail to another user on the same machine using the "sendmail" binary?
[10:38] <Molly> sobersabre: okay, I ran visudo.. now what do I do?
[10:39] <sobersabre> Molly, you cannot run synaptic unless you're in "admin" group
[10:39] <Fator_Dee> synd: with visudo
[10:39] <sobersabre> sorsis, run "vigr" as root, and add your username in the end of line that begins with "admin"
[10:39] <teebones> shad0w1e, if you openup port 25 and are running sendmail behind that port.. AND you haven't setup relaying properly.. there is a great possibility spammers will user your mailserver to send the spamm to others
[10:39] <sobersabre> sorsis, this wasn't meant for you.
[10:39] <synd> Fator_Dee, is there a GUI way?
[10:39] <iceman2K> anyone have a compaq computer here ?
[10:39] <shad0w1e> teebones: gotcha, now I understand
[10:39] <Fator_Dee> synd: I don't know of any
[10:40] <iceman2K> i need the network adapter
[10:40] <iceman2K> intel pro 10/100
[10:40] <Molly> What do I do once I'm in the sudoers file with visudo from root?
[10:40] <iceman2K> what adapter in linux
[10:40] <sobersabre> synd, as long as card's driver has ieee80211_crypt_tkip
[10:40] <sobersabre> you can use wpa etc.
[10:40] <synd> really? hmm
[10:41] <synd> see WPA seems about overkill where I am
[10:41] <sobersabre> of course you need a wpasupplicant program to setup stuff.
[10:41] <we2by> any one has vmware installed with sound working in vmware?
[10:41] <robert_H> can someone help me? my sound card is detected but no sound
[10:41] <synd> robert_H, enable ALSA
[10:41] <Molly> Fator_Dee or sobresabre: Should I be adding admin privileges to my normal username or sudo, and how do I do that?
[10:41] <robert_H> alsa seems to be working
[10:41] <shad0w1e> teebones: how do i send mail to another user on the local machine usine "sendmail" exectutable
[10:42] <teebones> shad0w1e, ehm.. example: echo "hello" |sendmail shad0w1e mysubjecthere
[10:42] <robert_H> aplay -l
[10:42] <robert_H> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[10:42] <robert_H> card 0: V8235 [VIA 8235] , device 0: VIA 8235 [VIA 8235] 
[10:42] <robert_H>   Subdevices: 3/4
[10:42] <robert_H>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[10:42] <robert_H>   Subdevice #1: subdevice #1
[10:42] <robert_H>   Subdevice #2: subdevice #2
[10:42] <robert_H>   Subdevice #3: subdevice #3
[10:42] <robert_H> card 0: V8235 [VIA 8235] , device 1: VIA 8235 [VIA 8235] 
[10:42] <robert_H>   Subdevices: 1/1
[10:42] <shad0w1e> teebones: so you pipe it... thanks
[10:42] <robert_H>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[10:42] <teebones> yep
[10:42] <sobersabre> robert_H, use #flood
[10:42] <robert_H> why? (sorry, I'm new here)
[10:43] <synd> robert_H, no flodding
[10:43] <synd> flooding
[10:43] <robert_H> ok sorry
[10:43] <teebones> shad0w1e, i could say that.. but then again, you might not know what pipe means on linux
[10:43] <shad0w1e> teebones: it says it saved it in MY username (not the one I wanted to send to) /dead.letter ... is that good?
[10:43] <synd> robert_H, ubuntuguide.org#configuresoundproperly
[10:43] <robert_H> thankyou$
[10:44] <synd> robert_H, try that
[10:44] <shad0w1e> I know what piping is, I've done some unix programming
[10:44] <shad0w1e> its stdin
[10:44] <teebones> shad0w1e, so it seems.. but i don't know that...
[10:44] <teebones> :-)
[10:44] <shad0w1e> ah
[10:44] <iNFiDELs> hello all
[10:44] <shad0w1e> teebones: it says it saved it in MY username (not the one I wanted to send to) /dead.letter ... is that good?             anyway, is that a problem?
[10:44] <teebones> therefor i allways explain thing the simple way
[10:44] <teebones> +s
[10:45] <teebones> what command did you enter?
[10:45] <iNFiDELs> Is anyone able to help me with an error?
[10:45] <shad0w1e> echo "hello" |sendmail to_user  subject
[10:45] <synd> iNFiDELs, ask and you shall receive
[10:45] <teebones> nothing wrong with the command
[10:45] <iNFiDELs> The install cd hangs on "checking if image is initramfs..."
[10:46] <teebones> should work...
[10:46] <iceman2K> cant figure out which net card to use in linux on my wifes system .. getting her to linux ... but cant get the network ..
[10:46] <thenostradamus> anyone know if limewire is available??
[10:46] <Juhaz> what's the difference between "suggests" and "recommends" fields in a deb package?
[10:46] <iceman2K> its a onboard card on a compaq mb ... intel chipset ... 10/100 net ... ?
[10:46] <shad0w1e> thenostradamus: use gtk-gnutella
[10:46] <iNFiDELs> andi cant really figure out why...
[10:46] <shad0w1e> same thing
[10:46] <shad0w1e> better
[10:46] <thenostradamus> i heard that was outdated?
[10:46] <shad0w1e> i heard it works REALLY DAMN GOOD
[10:46] <thenostradamus> u use it?
[10:47] <shad0w1e> my friend does
[10:47] <g14> thenostradamus: I'm using it now
[10:47] <thenostradamus> oh, ok
[10:47] <thenostradamus> thanks
[10:48] <JStrike> shad0w1e : gtk-gnutella is quite far behind in implementing the Gnutella1 spec
[10:48] <JStrike> And the UI is terrible (Not that Limewire's is better)
[10:48] <synd> limewire sucks :/
[10:48] <DekaPink> I like Limewire. :3
[10:48] <shad0w1e> jsolares: so what's better?
[10:48] <thenostradamus> me 2
[10:48] <shad0w1e> JStrike: so whats better?
[10:48] <thenostradamus> limewire has always worked for me
[10:48] <sobersabre> Molly, so ... are you done ?
[10:49] <synd> shad0w1e, so you say gtk-gnutella?
[10:49] <LinuxJones> iceman2K, it's a wireless network card ?
[10:49] <jsolares> shad0w1e, windows
[10:49] <shad0w1e> synd, i hear it works really good
[10:49] <iNFiDELs> My install cd hangs on "checking if image is initramfs...", does anyone know what the problem could be?
[10:49] <JStrike> shad0w1e : Limewire is as good as it gets at the moment unfortunatly
[10:49] <shad0w1e> although it IS ugly
[10:49] <teebones> jsolares, you mean xWindows?
[10:49] <synd> shad0w1e, im gonna check it out
[10:49] <shad0w1e> bearshare's okay!
[10:49] <thenostradamus> hahahhaha
[10:49] <teebones> ;-)
[10:49] <synd> shad0w1e, well most GTK stuff is ugly : D
[10:49] <thenostradamus> r they gonna make a debian package?
[10:50] <Molly> sobersabre: No, I'm stuck, and I wasn't sure if you were too busy with other people..
[10:50] <Kartagis> when I use ubuntu remotely with putty and pico somefile, I can't use numpad because it says numpad glitch. any ideas how to fix that?
[10:50] <shad0w1e> yeah in KDE 3.5 , maybe they'll have KitTorrent, and Kimewire
[10:50] <JStrike> Dude, I am telling you gtk-gnutella is very far behind the other gnutella apps, as they admit themselves
[10:50] <thenostradamus> nice
[10:50] <iceman2K> LinuxJone no ... onboard ... cat 5
[10:50] <teebones> shad0w1e, lol
[10:50] <Molly> I have the sudoers file open using visudo in root, but I don't know what to do now..
[10:50] <shad0w1e> Molly: thats NOT how you do it
[10:50] <shad0w1e> Molly: just add yourself to the admin group
[10:50] <iceman2K> LinuxJone intel pro 100 net card ... but it wont load correctly ...
[10:51] <LinuxJones> iceman2K, do lspci and find out what model or chipset the card is using
[10:51] <shad0w1e> Molly: using chuser --help
[10:51] <teebones> iceman2K, what module do you use?
[10:51] <Molly> shad0w1e: How would I do that, exactly?
[10:51] <shad0w1e> wait
[10:51] <shad0w1e> got that wrong
[10:51] <shad0w1e> one sec..
[10:51] <Molly> shad0w1e: Yeah, chuser was not found.
[10:51] <shad0w1e> usermod
[10:51] <shad0w1e> usermod --help
[10:52] <shad0w1e> you can either change your primary group to admin
[10:52] <SnakeBite> where can i find exact log of the boot-up process
[10:52] <teebones> iceman2K, you have 2 intel pro 100 modules in the 2.6 kernels
[10:52] <shad0w1e> or add it as a supplementary group
[10:52] <teebones> one is faulty the other works
[10:52] <shad0w1e> easiest way (to change the main group) is usernmod username -G admin
[10:52] <LinuxJones> iceman2K, sorry I have to split
[10:52] <iceman2K> LinuxJone np
[10:53] <AevaD> whats a completly free program that allows me to create a partition on an harddrive so that i can install ubunto onto it?
[10:53] <shad0w1e> AevaD: The ubuntu install CD?
[10:53] <teebones> fdisk?
[10:53] <teebones> ;)
[10:53] <Molly> sobersabre, are you still there?
[10:53] <abood> hi all
[10:53] <iceman2K> teebones humm ... old celeron compaq motherboard ... may try thy ne driver ..
[10:53] <AevaD> the install cd will create a partition for me when i install it?
[10:54] <Seveas> AevaD, parted/gparted/qtparted
[10:54] <shad0w1e> AevaD : yes, or you can specify exactly what you want
[10:54] <Kartagis> guys, when I use ubuntu remotely with putty and pico somefile, I can't use numpad because it says numpad glitch. any ideas how to fix that?
[10:54] <shad0w1e> AevaD , but REMEMEBR to make a swap partition
[10:54] <teebones> iceman2K, ehm.. could be it.. but you should know your hardware... ;-)
[10:54] <AevaD> ok
[10:54] <AevaD> do i have to boot from the install cd?
[10:54] <shad0w1e> yes
[10:55] <abood> guys, i dont know what proplem i have, when im already connected to internet and surfing the web suddenly the browser wont work ( like there is no connection) and all other applications r connecting, i solved this proplem by poff my conn and pon it again, is there any solution for this except mine ?
[10:55] <AevaD> how do i do that
[10:55] <shad0w1e> what is your processor speed
[10:55] <iceman2K> teebones cant install ubuntu on her system yet ... i like ubuntu of all the distro's i have tried ..
[10:55] <Seveas> AevaD, put in in your cd-drive and reboot
[10:55] <geirix> hi all.....I really need help - I have Firewire external harddrives here at work, and well, did setup ubuntu instead of windows 2003 server
[10:55] <shad0w1e> Aevad: what is your processor speed
[10:55] <sobersabre> Molly, yep
[10:55] <geirix> problem...I can only read them
[10:55] <teebones> iceman2K, ?
[10:55] <AevaD> pentium 4 hyperthreading 3ghz
[10:55] <iceman2K> teebones right now she still needs winblow on her system ... so i installed winlinux 2003 ...
[10:55] <Seveas> geirix, fat/ntfs filesystem?
[10:56] <shad0w1e> Aevad, ok. then booting off a cd shoul NOT be a problem!
[10:56] <geirix> ntfs and fat on the firewire
[10:56] <Molly> sobersabre: You seemed to have an idea of what I should do, but once I got sudoers open, you disappeared.. what's your suggestion?
[10:56] <we2by> any one has vmware installed with sound working in vmware?
[10:56] <iceman2K> teebones dang red hat derivitive ...
[10:56] <teebones> iceman2K, ok..
[10:56] <AevaD> its the only thing my comp can do, i have no floppy drive
[10:56] <shad0w1e> AevaD, you may have to boot into BIOS though to tell it to scan the CD drive before booting off the hard drive
[10:56] <sobersabre> Molly, close sudoers
[10:56] <Seveas> geirix, ntfs can only be mounted read-only, for fat you need to set a umask to be able to write
[10:56] <sobersabre> Molly, add your user to a group "admin" that's all.
[10:56] <iceman2K> teebones have to config it from windows ... then hope that linux likes the config ... lol ... :(
[10:56] <AevaD> ok brb
[10:56] <sobersabre> Molly, do you know how to do this ?
[10:57] <geirix> Seveas: the problem is that they are hotplugged (mounted) - couldn't do it via fstab like in gentoo
[10:57] <AevaD> thanks for the help shad0wle
[10:57] <shad0w1e> sure thing
[10:57] <teebones> iceman2K, you could do dualbooting
[10:57] <SnakeBite> where can i find exact log of the boot-up process
[10:57] <Kartagis> Seveas: when I use ubuntu remotely with putty and pico somefile, I can't use numpad because it says numpad glitch. any ideas how to fix that?
[10:57] <Molly> sobersabre, no.. how do I add my user to the admin group?
[10:57] <Kartagis> SnakeBite: /var/log/dmesg
[10:57] <Seveas> geirix, fat should be mounted writeable for the user who plugs it in....
[10:57] <sobersabre> can you become root ?
[10:57] <iceman2K> teebones cant get her cd rom to like the install cd's or even live cd ..
[10:57] <Seveas> geirix, can you paste the output of 'mount' to ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[10:57] <SnakeBite> no i mean da samwe thing that shows on boot up
[10:58] <teebones> iceman2K, wow.. that's not good
[10:58] <Seveas> Kartagis, yeah i've seen that before...
[10:58] <shad0w1e> Molly: sudo usermod -G admin username
[10:58] <Seveas> Kartagis, seems to be puttys fault
[10:58] <teebones> no atapi compatible cddrive
[10:58] <teebones> hmm
[10:58] <Seveas> Kartagis, hmm wait, no
[10:58] <Seveas> it was my keyboard back then :)
[10:58] <shad0w1e> Molly: where username, is YOUR username
[10:59] <Quest-Master> Hindi and Urdu speaking Ubuntu users-- #ubuntu-hi and #ubuntu-ur :)
[10:59] <iceman2K> teebones weird ... set on the second ide ... but the installer hangs on install ... so just installed winlinux ...
[10:59] <Seveas> Kartagis, try another keyboard if you have that option
[10:59] <SnakeBite> Kartagis  - no i mean da samwe thing that shows on boot up
[10:59] <thunder04> Hello everybody.
[10:59] <teebones> iceman2K, ok..
[10:59] <shad0w1e> anyone know how I can check if my hard drives are running in DMA or (crappy) mode ??
[10:59] <shad0w1e> PIO
[10:59] <teebones> hdparm
[10:59] <shad0w1e> yeah thats it
[10:59] <shad0w1e> thanks
[10:59] <teebones> man hdparm
[10:59] <Seveas> SnakeBite, dmesg shows what's shown on bootup
[10:59] <shad0w1e> man everything
[10:59] <shad0w1e> lol
[11:00] <Seveas> SnakeBite, try /var/log/kern.log too
[11:00] <iceman2K> teebones just figuring out the net card for internet access ..
[11:00] <spanglesontoast> what do you guys make of this
[11:00] <spanglesontoast> http://www.eddland.plus.com/s1.png
[11:00] <SnakeBite> 10x
[11:00] <teebones> shad0w1e, hehe
[11:00] <GeneralCody> nsg NICKSERV /identify generalc
[11:00] <spanglesontoast> lol
[11:00] <GeneralCody> sorry
[11:00] <Seveas> GeneralCody, ouch
[11:00] <Seveas> change your password asap
[11:01] <thunder04> Hey, I have a brand new Dell Dimension 8400 /w the P4 that has EM64T extentions...I wanted to install the 64 bit version of Ubuntu, but it seems to halt when trying to detect my CD-ROM (or any PATA or SATA controller)...anybody know what I can do to get it to detect my drives?
[11:01] <GeneralCody> msg NICKSERV /identify generalc
[11:01] <GeneralCody> hehe
[11:01] <iNFiDELs> My install cd hangs on "checking if image is initramfs...", does anyone know what the problem could be?
[11:01] <Seveas> GeneralCody, ehm...
[11:01] <Seveas> try /msg
[11:02] <Seveas> iNFiDELs, bad cd?
[11:02] <iNFiDELs> just used it to install on another system
[11:02] <iNFiDELs> does it sound more like a hardware error than software?
[11:02] <Seveas> cd dirty?
[11:02] <occy> Ok... question time.  Who here knows of a card that works 100% with Ubuntu Linux Out of the Box? (3d and everything)
[11:02] <occy> please don't say nVidia.
[11:03] <iNFiDELs> if so ill just go check for stuff like that
[11:03] <Seveas> nvidia
[11:03] <Seveas> :p
[11:03] <shad0w1e> nvidia is a hell lot easier than ATI
[11:03] <iNFiDELs> lol
[11:03] <iNFiDELs> @ the difficulty of ati
[11:03] <Seveas> occy, there is no such thing
[11:03] <occy> my nvidia locks my box up harder than dookie
[11:03] <occy> with or without the drivers.
[11:04] <occy> Same box... an run on Windows for MONTHS (6 months) without a single lockup.
[11:04] <occy> err  s/an/can/
[11:04] <shad0w1e> occy: so use windows, lol
[11:04] <occy> shad0w1e, :P
[11:04] <shad0w1e> six months without a SINGLE lockup?
[11:04] <shad0w1e> are you kidding?
[11:04] <occy> yes... as funny as that seems.
[11:04] <occy> I went back to my laptop and Ubuntu for 6 months and just had windows on here as a test.
[11:05] <occy> I DARED it to lock up.
[11:05] <occy> I did games on it... and everything.
[11:05] <shad0w1e> occy: hmm. is there some secret version of windows that runs on the linux core or something
[11:05] <occy> nothing ever happend.
[11:05] <occy> shad0w1e, shhhhh
[11:05] <Fackamato> anyone managed to play drm protected wmv files?
[11:05] <occy> shad0w1e, bill doesn't want you to know.
[11:05] <occy> hehe
[11:05] <occy> *sigh*
[11:05] <shad0w1e> Im thinkin their gonna do it one day, ..... ONE day
[11:05] <occy> I lub my Ubuntu... but need this box which is pIV 2.4G
[11:05] <Fabi> Where do I find docs about automical installation of ubuntu? The Kickstart docs are not very encouraging but tells me that i can automate the installation without.
[11:05] <occy> my laptop is only pIII500
[11:06] <shad0w1e> its enough
[11:06] <shad0w1e> i had it running on a p2 266 w/ 192 ram
[11:06] <occy> shad0w1e, not for graphics... which is what I do.
[11:06] <shad0w1e> with KDE
[11:06] <occy> shad0w1e, I do web design.
[11:06] <occy> and graphics with Gimp and such.
[11:06] <iceman2K> how to determin ip gateway ...
[11:06] <shad0w1e> you might want 512 ram then
[11:06] <Seveas> iceman2K, ifconfig..
[11:06] <occy> heh
[11:06] <shad0w1e> or use fluxbox
[11:06] <shad0w1e> save some ram there
[11:07] <occy> pIII500 doesn't cut it with 512m of ram.  I have that now.
[11:07] <occy> anyway
[11:07] <occy> argh
[11:07] <iceman2K> Seveas got ifconfig running ... dont see gat way in the list
[11:07] <occy> Maybe if I tried a different card
[11:07] <iceman2K> inet addr:192.168.0.100  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[11:07] <shad0w1e> aight peace people im out
[11:07] <occy> maybe my card is just hosed.
[11:07] <occy> shad0w1e, later
[11:07] <smoky_> iceman: netstat -rn
[11:07] <shad0w1e> thanks teebone, for your help
[11:07] <iNFiDELs> am stuck
[11:07] <iNFiDELs> Have tried 2 cds both crash on "checking if image is initramfs..."
[11:08] <shad0w1e> iNFiDELs -- maybe "image is NOT initramfs..."
[11:08] <shad0w1e> lol
[11:08] <iNFiDELs> live cd AND install cd
[11:08] <iNFiDELs> but then it would say that
[11:08] <shad0w1e> try a different distro?
[11:08] <iNFiDELs> but thats 500Mb away :p
[11:08] <shad0w1e> check your ram, and check your hard disk partitions
[11:09] <iNFiDELs> there are no partitions as of yet
[11:09] <shad0w1e> maybe run a memory test?
[11:09] <iNFiDELs> but cud u suggest an app to check my ram (which i am sure is ok)
[11:09] <smoky_> memtest86
[11:10] <thunder04> memtest86, should be on the LiveCD (I think)
[11:10] <shad0w1e> sorry... I know once ubuntu is installed, theres memtest86 on the GRUB menu
[11:10] <shad0w1e> ah
[11:10] <shad0w1e> also, iNFiDELs , do TRY another hard drive
[11:10] <shad0w1e> just to see if it boots
[11:10] <Molly> sobersabre: sorry.. my battery ran out suddenly.. :-/
[11:10] <Seveas> shad0w1e, it's the *CD* that refuses to boot...
[11:11] <sobersabre> Molly, did you edit /etc/sudoers as i've told ya ?
[11:11] <shad0w1e> Molly: sudo usermod -G admin username
[11:11] <Seveas> iNFiDELs, how old is that PC and how long did you wait before deciding it crashed?
[11:11] <Seveas> iNFiDELs, and have you tried various boot options?
[11:11] <shad0w1e> Molly: where username is your user name
[11:11] <Seveas> especially acpi related ones
[11:11] <JE> I am having issues with firefox loaded on Hoary, will not load certain pages, like Google..Anyone have any insight?
[11:11] <sobersabre> shad0w1e, you assume he installed reg. installation.
[11:11] <iNFiDELs> the pc is very old
[11:11] <Seveas> iNFiDELs, this check can take some time
[11:12] <admx> IBM R40 Laptop (768 Ram) , (60G HD) (Centrino 802.11b) with Ubuntu running just fine...
[11:12] <shad0w1e> ah
[11:12] <iNFiDELs> oh
[11:12] <iNFiDELs> ... i see
[11:12] <iNFiDELs> it has been going for about 10minutes now
[11:12] <iNFiDELs> + i will just try a new hdd
[11:12] <Seveas> ehm ok
[11:12] <Seveas> 10 minutes is too long :)
[11:14] <JE> Hello?
[11:14] <Seveas> hi :)
[11:14] <Seveas> JE, not loading huh, does it say 'looking up www.google.com' for a very very long time?
[11:14] <JE> can anyone help me with a firefox issue?
[11:15] <iNFiDELs> what are these various boot options?
[11:15] <JE> Yes...
[11:15] <iNFiDELs> ahh, perhaps ill chek the site
[11:15] <JE> and times out.
[11:15] <Seveas> iNFiDELs, you will see these in a menu when you boot the cd's (you might have to press escape for them)
[11:15] <JE> But goes to other web sights just fine..
[11:15] <Seveas> JE, i think i know what it is :)
[11:15] <JE> :)
[11:15] <Seveas> JE: in FF hit ctrl+t to open a new tab. Then type about:config, in the filter section locate network.dns.disableIPV6 and set its value to true. Now restart FF.
[11:15] <JE> brb
[11:19] <JE> Seveas, Worked like a charm!  Thanks so much!  Would love to buy you a beer!
[11:19] <christos> i downloaded realplayer10gold.bin i run and installed it in /usr/local/share. when i run realplay or i press the shortcuts nothing happens
[11:19] <christos> then i installed thehelix package from aptitude and still
[11:20] <iNFiDELs> hmm
[11:20] <petersok> Is it possible to run Ubuntu on a system with two graphics cards running in SLI mode?
[11:20] <iNFiDELs> lol, any of these advanced options just aid the computer in hanging faster :p
[11:22] <christos> anyone has install realplayer 10 ?
[11:24] <iNFiDELs> any other suggestions to get initramfs
[11:24] <iNFiDELs> to work?
[11:26] <iceman2K> dam it ... can not get wifes wywtem to find the internet ...
[11:26] <iceman2K> dam it ... can not get wifes system to find the internet ...
[11:27] <iceman2K> getting the net card to load ... and find network ... dhcp ..
[11:28] <thunder04> I'm trying to install Ubuntu 5.0.4 EM64T onto my new Dell Dimension 8400...but it can't detect my CD-ROM drive (it wants me to load an additional CD-ROM driver from a floppy)...anybody know where I can find this?
[11:29] <tanek_> is anyone else experiencing problems logging into msn accounts using gaim?
[11:29] <monchy> no, msn working fine on gaim
[11:29] <spanglesontoast> why is my machines graphics really slow?
[11:30] <Shuddertrix> something ate my memory, this stinks
[11:30] <Shuddertrix> again!
[11:31] <raphael> Hello there!
[11:32] <raphael> May I ask; is there someone with a little bit of experience with ALSA?
[11:32] <spanglesontoast> doubt it alsa lot are useless
[11:32] <spanglesontoast> well they managed to get some of my stuff working
[11:32] <Shuddertrix> raphael: /topic
[11:32] <Shuddertrix> raphael: "Have a question? Just ask!"
[11:32] <raphael> Oh, I don't use Breezy. ;)
[11:33] <raphael> Well, It's somewhat strange..
[11:33] <Seveas> raphael, no the first bit
[11:34] <Seveas> Shuddertrix, try top
[11:34] <Shuddertrix> Seveas: The thing is, i can't find the culprit
[11:34] <raphael> ALSA recognises my soundcard (silly onbord one), I can see the card in /proc, I can use the gnome-sound-mixer and alsa-mixer and unmute and mute and increase and decrease volume, BMP even thinks it's playing.. but I don't hear anything.
[11:34] <ozmund> which script decides what directory should be mapped as 'home'?
[11:34] <we2by> any one has vmware installed with sound working in vmware?
[11:35] <Shuddertrix> we2by: I have sound working.
[11:35] <we2by> Shuddertrix, how?
[11:35] <Shuddertrix> we2by: However, I don't use esd ;)
[11:35] <Dakko> Has anyone else had monitor problems with Hoary? I just installed and it goes through the installation process just fine... But when it comes to the Name:/Pass: screen, nothing is displayed
[11:35] <we2by> Shuddertrix, what do you use then?
[11:35] <Shuddertrix> we2by: I believe it's using alsa
[11:35] <hnt> hi all
[11:35] <we2by> bah
[11:36] <we2by> I don't need sound in vmware anyway
[11:36] <Dakko> Does anyone know how to fix this?
[11:36] <raphael> Is there something I may have forgotten?
[11:36] <Shuddertrix> we2by: I don't use esd, too much configuration and sound problems IMO
[11:36] <Shuddertrix> It's still installed, just stopped from being used I think
[11:36] <we2by> it's ok to me
[11:37] <hnt> I have a problem when I try to install scummvm in Hoary; I added universe n multiverse to the sources, I mark the scummvm package but I get 2 "uninstallable" libs.. name libmad and libmpeg2 - did I miss anything? any suggestions?
[11:37] <Shuddertrix> I think vmware didn't shut down cleanly.
[11:37] <Shuddertrix> I'll be right back.. something will fix it, i'm sure
[11:37] <raphael> The strange thing is; the oss-drivers work. No record, though..
[11:37] <abood> guys, im trying "sudo apt-get realplayer" it wont work it give me
[11:37] <abood> Failed to fetch http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/dists/hoary-extras/restricted/binary-i386/realplayer_10.0.4-0.2~5.04ubp1_i386.deb  403 Forbidden
[11:37] <abood> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[11:37] <abood> i updated it and it couldn't be downloaded ?! any idea
[11:38] <shad0w1e> anyone know if it's possible to set openssh to receive incoming connections from telnet?
[11:38] <raphael> abood; It seems as the .deb you want do download is not available anymore.
[11:38] <raphael> Have you tried to use the .tar.gz from real.com?
[11:39] <abood> raphael,  then why when i try ti update my apt-get i got this msg " 500 Server Error [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] 
[11:39] <abood> Err http://jo.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Packages
[11:39] <abood>   500 Server Error [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] 
[11:39] <abood> "
[11:39] <hnt> shad0w1e, you want to use telnet as SSH client? or just replace the telnet port so that SSH is used?
[11:39] <raphael> Well, that may be the problem then..
[11:39] <abood> can any body try to update it and tell me if its working or not right now
[11:39] <shad0w1e> when I use telnet on port 22, it says the protocol isnt compatible
[11:40] <hnt> shad0w1e, you can telnet to port 22 but this wouldnt help you much... you need to use ssh instead
[11:40] <shad0w1e> I've heard that telnet is insecure
[11:40] <hnt> shad0w1e, instead of "telnet foo 22" better do.. "ssh user@foo"
[11:40] <shad0w1e> is there any way to use telnet on an ssh server, and for it to be secure?
[11:41] <Kartagis> deb http://tr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[11:41] <Kartagis> deb-src http://tr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe <--- a line in my /etc/apt/sources.list and it works fine for me?
[11:41] <hnt> shad0w1e, port 22 is SSH, there is no telnet there... telnet is port 23.
[11:41] <shad0w1e> hnt: I realize that
[11:41] <hnt> shad0w1e, you can "tunnel" telnet over an SSH connection but that does not make any sense then... why you want to stick with telnet so badly?
[11:41] <shad0w1e> is there any way to use telnet to access ssh?
[11:41] <we2by> I have vmware running, and my X run a bit slower when vmware is not running
[11:41] <hnt> well, no
[11:41] <Kartagis> anyway, I have to go
[11:41] <we2by> is this a probelmw ith ram or cpu?
[11:41] <Kartagis> later
[11:41] <shad0w1e> hnt: because telnet is installed everywher
[11:41] <hnt> unless you are really good at the SSH protocol and encryption/decryption
[11:42] <abood> guys does the apt-get running well now ?
[11:42] <hnt> shad0w1e, so is ssh..
[11:42] <shad0w1e> hnt: not windows machines
[11:42] <abood> can any body try it and tell me the results ?
[11:42] <hnt> shad0w1e, google putty
[11:42] <shad0w1e> yes i know
[11:42] <shad0w1e> you have to DOWNLOAD THAT
[11:42] <shad0w1e> on every machine
[11:42] <Kartagis> abood: try what=
[11:42] <shad0w1e> i run around a lot
[11:42] <hnt> take it around on a USB drive :)
[11:42] <shad0w1e> use other peoples comps
[11:42] <abood> Kartagis, sudo apt-get update
[11:42] <shad0w1e> i have it on my fpash drive
[11:42] <shad0w1e> but still...
[11:42] <raphael> Ach. Crivens.
[11:42] <Kartagis> [00:42:42]  <Kabuto> !putty
[11:42] <Kartagis> [00:42:44]  <@f0und> putty, a nice ssh client for windows - available at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download
[11:42] <shad0w1e> if I do the tunnelling thing, does that kill security as well?
[11:43] <hnt> no.. but then u need an SSH client anyway
[11:43] <shad0w1e> grr
[11:43] <Kartagis> Fetched 1B in 2s (0B/s)
[11:43] <Kartagis> Reading package lists... Done
[11:43] <hnt> thing like this, can you do FTP with telnet?
[11:43] <hnt> ee, think even
[11:43] <shad0w1e> is there any way to use a telnet client on an ssh server?
[11:43] <hnt> NO
[11:43] <shad0w1e> ok good
[11:43] <shad0w1e> never mind then
[11:43] <hnt> unless you study SSH protocol and encryption/decryption..
[11:44] <shad0w1e> beyond me..
[11:44] <Kartagis> you can use AFTER you ssh in though
[11:44] <hnt> Kartagis, he doesnt want to ssh in.. thats the whole point
[11:44] <Kartagis> telnet is insecure
[11:44] <Kartagis> ssh == *secure* shell
[11:44] <shad0w1e> question: I have vsftpd installed and it works fine from a gui but not from the commad prompt. every time I type in "ls" , it just sits there
[11:45] <Kartagis> keep that in mind shad0w1e
[11:45] <hnt> shad0w1e, u behind firewall? use passive
[11:45] <stonecrest> well.. i think ubuntu just gained another user :)
[11:45] <hnt> most likely ur GUI client is set to use passive FTP by def.
[11:45] <shad0w1e> why does it work from konqueror, or windows explorer, just dine?
[11:45] <hnt> most likely ur GUI client is set to use passive FTP by def. <-
[11:46] <shad0w1e> 200 PORT command successful. Consider using PASV.
[11:46] <Kartagis> hnt: even if we keep 21 open?
[11:46] <shad0w1e> it hangs on that
[11:46] <Th4tBa5t4rd> I just finished a full install here... now i have to try and figure out how to install my chipset& video drivers
[11:46] <pablo928> just crashed ubuntu-couldn'tboot into gnome or kde but terminal and xfe were fine. rebooted linus and now i'm in gnome (my default
[11:46] <iNFiDELs> lol, as for my initramfs error, NONE of your suggestions helped at all, so ive posted on the forums, thx for your help though.
[11:46] <hnt> shad0w1e, like i said... use passive mode FTP
[11:46] <hnt> KarlosII, what?
[11:46] <hnt> sorry
[11:46] <hnt> Kartagis, what?
[11:46] <shad0w1e> hnt: ok, but how
[11:46] <hnt> shad0w1e, depends on ur FTP client.. u using lftp or ftp? check the manpage..
[11:47] <Kartagis> hnt: do we have to use passive mode even if port 21 is open?
[11:47] <shad0w1e> im using windows ftp
[11:47] <hnt> Kartagis, port 21 is always open with FTP... as long as u are logged in
[11:47] <shad0w1e> if its not using PASV, whats it using
[11:47] <hnt> Kartagis, but the way FTP works brings the trouble here... it will open a second connection TO you
[11:47] <abood> Kartagis, did u tried it, is it working or not ?
[11:47] <rj`> man -- if only cgi scripts worked with ubuntu's apache2
[11:47] <rj`> :((
[11:47] <Kartagis> abood: I just pasted the results
[11:48] <hnt> shad0w1e, hmm ftp /? maybe that tells u.. I aint touching windows DOSbox ftp with a 20 foot pole
[11:48] <shad0w1e> yes but I find myself on a windows box a lot, because I run around
[11:48] <raDeon> hnt, yes
[11:48] <Juhaz> the incoming port for active ftp is 20, not 21
[11:48] <Kartagis> rj`: it can, if you rebuild apache with cgi capabilities
[11:48] <abood> Kartagis, sorry i didnt followed them is it working ?
[11:48] <hnt> raDeon, what yes?
[11:48] <Kartagis> abood: yes
[11:48] <raDeon> made you say what
[11:48] <raDeon> nyeahahahahahagha
[11:48] <shad0w1e> fine so is there any way I can make it work without having to specify PASV every time?
[11:48] <rj`> Kartagis: is there a guide on this?
[11:48] <hnt> raDeon, :) PSYOPS
[11:48] <vince_> hello everyone! does anyone know if the xorg-driver-fglrx supports ati igp 320m (or mobility u1)? I am not sure I get good 3d acceleration, and 2d seems much slower than in Windows... thanks!
[11:49] <raDeon> vince_, yes
[11:49] <Kartagis> rj`: http://httpd.apache.org
[11:49] <hnt> Juhaz, yup thats the dataconnection.. n this one mr shad0w1e aint getting
[11:49] <ech0> hey, do you guys know how to change the icon of a certain file type? (e.g. html documents)
[11:49] <shad0w1e> hnt: I have 20 and 21 open
[11:49] <vince_> raDeon, would you advise me to install it?
[11:49] <ech0> in gnome
[11:49] <Kartagis> ech0: for good?
[11:49] <ech0> Kartagis, yes
[11:49] <Quest-Master> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match Ubuntu's running kernel?
[11:50] <hnt> shad0w1e, are you behind a firewall/nat/pat? did you forward 20 to your host? I can just tell you.. the ftp server already told u the answer to ur problem.. use passive mode
[11:50] <raDeon> vince_, no, i don't know but osmeone does
[11:50] <vince_> raDeon, ok
[11:50] <hnt> Quest-Master, usually thats /usr/src/<urkernelversion>
[11:50] <hnt> but you gotta install them..
[11:51] <hnt> raDeon,
[11:51] <shad0w1e> hnt: pftp worked fine
[11:51] <petersok> I am having trouble installing Ubuntu on my new computer.  It seems to install fine, actually, but then the graphics do not run correctly (it looks sort of like an old NES game that needed cleaning).  Is this beause I am running two graphics cards in SLI mode?
[11:51] <hnt> hey raDeon
[11:51] <Kartagis> hnt: do we need to redirect port 20 too in order not to have to use passive mode everytime?
[11:51] <Quest-Master> hnt: how?
[11:52] <hnt> Kartagis, nono.. dont do that; use PASV mode Ftp!!! that's why it is there
[11:52] <hnt> Quest-Master, use synaptic, the package is ummmm kernel-header something
[11:52] <abood> guys, whats the proplem with apt-get , its give me like this shit "Fetched 17.0kB in 14s (1136B/s)
[11:52] <abood> Failed to fetch http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/dists/hoary-extras/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  403 Forbidden
[11:52] <abood> Failed to fetch http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/dists/hoary-extras/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  403 Forbidden
[11:52] <abood> " :(
[11:52] <hnt> Quest-Master, sorry, linux-headers
[11:52] <shad0w1e> hnt: why do I need to use passive?
[11:53] <iceman2K> how to start linux with no network driver .. then load a module after the system is up ?
[11:53] <Kartagis> hnt: but it can be done, right? because windoze command line ftp doesn't have -p switch
[11:53] <hnt> shad0w1e, are u behind a firewall, a PAT internet gateway?
[11:53] <shad0w1e> hnt: no
[11:53] <shad0w1e> I want to be able to use windows command line tool ftp though
[11:53] <hnt> Kartagis, well you could forward the port then but I wouldnt do that.. it is just stupid o.o use scp instead or so ;) WinSCP is nice
[11:53] <Kartagis> abood: why do you need backports.ubuntuforums.org? I don't think that's a repository
[11:53] <norrbaggen> anyone know why download speed in gaim with msn protokoll is so slow?
[11:54] <Quest-Master> hnt: How do I know if I am running 2.6.10 or 2.6.11?
[11:54] <Fator_Dee> norrbaggen: the protocoll sucks?
[11:54] <hnt> shad0w1e, are u sure u are not behind a firewall? 100%? internet gateway box? linksys something?
[11:54] <DekaPink> Ubuntu has finished downloading~
[11:54] <Kartagis> Quest-Master: uname -a
[11:54] <raDeon> what up hnt
[11:54] <Shuddertrix> Quest-Master: uname -r
[11:54] <hnt> Quest-Master, uname -a
[11:54] <norrbaggen> yes, but in windows it is pretty fast
[11:54] <shad0w1e> hnt: pretty damn sure
[11:54] <hnt> raDeon, just trying to get ur attention ;D nanana :P
[11:54] <shad0w1e> hnt: wait, server or client?
[11:54] <raDeon> shut up
[11:54] <raDeon> i'll murder you
[11:54] <hnt> raDeon, now Im really scared
[11:55] <raDeon> good
[11:55] <hnt> :D
[11:55] <raDeon> fear is our most primal emotion
[11:55] <Kartagis> somebody kick me, I need to go
[11:55] <hnt> Ill send u cleaning bill for my pants
[11:55] <norrbaggen> Fator_Dee, im supposed to download faster then 3 kb/s downloading from a 100mbit and i got 10mbit
[11:55] <raDeon> and i'll take the address off of it and hunt you down
[11:55] <abood> Kartagis, i dont know i just try to do sudo apt-get update and its giving me this msg by it self never faced it before :( ???
[11:55] <Kartagis> argh, no ops
[11:55] <hnt> shad0w1e, I asked... are YOU behind a firewall.. do you think I mean the server?
[11:55] <Kartagis> abood: wait
[11:55] <hnt> raDeon, Ill ask u to paypal the money then
[11:55] <shad0w1e> hnt: yes , I most def. am
[11:55] <raDeon> and i'll ask you to die.
[11:56] <shad0w1e> I'm behind an iptables firewall
[11:56] <iceman2K> well reinstall on wifes system ... sucks .. god forsaken net driver ...
[11:56] <hnt> shad0w1e, well for fsck's sake that's what I was talking about all the time... -__-'' gee
[11:56] <Fator_Dee> raDeon: Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear at let it pass through me. And when my fear is gone only I will remain.
[11:56] <hnt> raDeon, wow that wouldnt be nice ;(
[11:56] <shad0w1e> hnt: thats why ftp wont work without passive?
[11:56] <raDeon> factor, we have nothing to fear but fear itself
[11:56] <hnt> shad0w1e, BINGO!!!!!!!!! :D
[11:56] <shad0w1e> ok cool
[11:56] <shad0w1e> do I need port 20 open on the server anyway?
[11:57] <hnt> shad0w1e, your GUI FTP clients all use passive mode so then it works "suddenly"... but the stupid Windos DOSbox FTP doesnt..
[11:57] <Fator_Dee> raDeon: and why do we have to fear fear?
[11:57] <Kartagis> http://pastebin.com/292399 <--- abood copy this and change tr to whatever your countrycode is
[11:57] <petersok> How do I boot ubuntu straight into the command line without running X?!
[11:57] <hnt> shad0w1e, dont forward anything, dont touch your iptables PAT setup... just find out how to use passive mode with the ftp, or use a decent client, unlike dos ftp
[11:58] <shad0w1e> hnt: do I need to leave port 20 open on my ftp server if I wish to EVER use non-passive ftp ?
[11:58] <hnt> shad0w1e, no need to change anything on the FTPserver either..
[11:58] <Kartagis> abood: are you with me?
[11:58] <shad0w1e> hnt: I'm forwarding 20 right now, I'm thinking of taking that away
[11:58] <hnt> shad0w1e, where?
[11:58] <shad0w1e> on my server
[11:58] <hnt> shad0w1e, and which direction?
[11:58] <hnt> ic..
[11:58] <Kartagis> left
[11:59] <abood> Kartagis, yes, but which code i must change dude ?
[11:59] <shad0w1e> the router forwards 20 to the linux server
[11:59] <Kartagis> tr
[11:59] <Kartagis> what country do you live in
[11:59] <abood> jordan
[11:59] <abood> do i must put jo.
[11:59] <shad0w1e> do I "need" 20 for non-passive?
[11:59] <hnt> shad0w1e, so there is a PAT or "masquerading" in front of ur server?
[11:59] <Kartagis> yes
[11:59] <hnt> or in front of YOU
[11:59] <shad0w1e> ME
[11:59] <hnt> ok..