elmo | Riddell: why's kde-i18n-el packaged separately? | 12:47 |
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Riddell | elmo: they're all packaged separately now | 12:48 |
Riddell | elmo: used to be one big source file, now it's split up by upstream, -el happens to be a new one with this release | 12:49 |
elmo | do they use insane two letter country codes upstream too? | 12:49 |
elmo | and are Debian doing the same thing? | 12:49 |
Riddell | elmo: the country codes come from upstream and match the current binary packages | 12:52 |
Riddell | havn't asked Debian yet what they're doing | 12:52 |
Riddell | what's wrong with two letter language codes? every other language package seems to use them | 12:54 |
elmo | -uk, -ca, -el are all horribly confusing | 12:55 |
elmo | and that's just the three I know of offhand, I suspect there are plenty more | 12:55 |
elmo | in any event, as you say, the current packages use that scheme, so never mind | 12:55 |
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JRe | morning alls | 09:40 |
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KaiL | elmo: uk = ukrainan, el=greek, ca=catalan? | 10:20 |
KaiL | what's difficult on this? | 10:20 |
KaiL | or do you want to write the full names? | 10:21 |
KaiL | kde-i18n-nds works. | 10:24 |
KaiL | kde-i18n-de too | 10:25 |
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KaiL | kaffeine crashes, while xine doesn't want to exit | 10:31 |
JRe | KaiL: :( | 10:36 |
KaiL | did we have all that small apps from kdegraphics in hoary too? | 10:37 |
JRe | KaiL: what apps | 10:38 |
JRe | ? | 10:38 |
KaiL | kgamma, kruler, kview | 10:38 |
JRe | KaiL: you mean installed by default? | 10:39 |
KaiL | yes | 10:39 |
JRe | KaiL: no | 10:39 |
KaiL | and kopete depends on xmms - gar, this happenes with every update... | 10:39 |
JRe | KaiL: why kopete depends on xmms ? | 10:40 |
KaiL | duno, seams to be a "bad joke" from the guy, who once created that package | 10:41 |
KaiL | and comes back again and again | 10:41 |
KaiL | juk also crashes (I think, I already said this) | 10:42 |
JRe | KaiL: wow seems to be many work to do| | 10:43 |
KaiL | finally missing: openoffice.org2-kde, amarok, kscreensaver (=kdeaddons) and k3b | 10:44 |
KaiL | ....not, that I'd be sad, if we drop screensavers at all (as they are only a waste of energy) | 10:45 |
JRe | make kopete depending on xmms is a bad joke :( | 10:46 |
JRe | KaiL: we have someone to fix the depency of kopete and there is a bug report for the JuK crash? | 10:52 |
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opi | morning :-) | 11:33 |
JRe | morning | 11:51 |
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Riddell | elmo: python-qt3 needs either to move to universe or for libqscintilla5c2 to move to main so the new version can compile | 01:14 |
Riddell | elmo: nothing depends on it so it could be moved to universe but I expect at least 1 package in main to depend on it soon so it might have to move back again | 01:15 |
elmo | what's going to depend on it? | 01:17 |
doko | Riddell, what's the status of xpdf-utils? can it be replaced? | 01:18 |
Riddell | elmo: guidance, system configuration tools http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/ | 01:18 |
Riddell | doko: it's used by kpdf to get information out of PDF files, it could be moved to a suggest if it's a problem but it would be nice to have the functionality by default | 01:19 |
elmo | that's definitely going to main? | 01:19 |
Riddell | elmo: not definately, so I'm happy for python-qt3 to be moved to universe for the moment | 01:20 |
doko | Riddell: can we have this as an interim solution, so that kubuntu-desktop get's installable again? | 01:20 |
elmo | I wish I knew why it was in main for hoary | 01:20 |
doko | elmo: simple: build-dep for hpij | 01:20 |
elmo | Riddell: could you investigate using a poppler based tool instead? pitti did this for cups, and it didn't take him very long. you might even be able to reuse his work | 01:21 |
Riddell | doko: ok | 01:21 |
elmo | doko: hplip doesn't use it anymore? | 01:21 |
elmo | Riddell: (feel free to do what doko's asking first tho) | 01:21 |
Riddell | hplip seems to be in universe | 01:21 |
elmo | the source isn't | 01:21 |
Riddell | right | 01:21 |
doko | elmo: I did split hplip into hplip and hplip-base | 01:21 |
elmo | nor is hpijs | 01:21 |
doko | hplip still uses python-qt3 | 01:22 |
elmo | doko: hmm, ok | 01:23 |
doko | the debian maintainer doesn't want to drop the build-dep for Debian. he says, the upstream pregenerated files are often just wrong | 01:23 |
elmo | I've demoted python-qt for now then | 01:24 |
Riddell | elmo: groovy | 01:24 |
doko | elmo: what about libqt-perl (debconf build dep) | 01:25 |
elmo | doko: hum. | 01:26 |
doko | maybe we should move that to #u-d | 01:26 |
elmo | Riddell: you guys happy with supporting kdebindings? | 01:27 |
Riddell | elmo: yep | 01:28 |
Riddell | elmo: kdebindings is also needed for koffice, and I expect parts of koffice to be in the next kubuntu | 01:28 |
doko | elmo: well, in that case, we can keep python-qt3 in main as well ... | 01:29 |
elmo | doko: buh, seriously? | 01:29 |
Riddell | doko: python-qt3 doesn't come from kdebindings | 01:29 |
Riddell | the version in kdebindings is out of date | 01:29 |
doko | Riddell, no, but if we offer bindings for perl, there should be bindings for python as well. you remember, python everywhere ;) | 01:30 |
elmo | ok, promoted libqt-perl | 01:31 |
Riddell | doko: need to get debconf re-written in python | 01:31 |
doko | Riddell: do the two FTBFS look fixable for you? | 01:38 |
Riddell | doko: yep, pretty sure the fixes for those are already in upstream, I just need to dig them out, will do so today | 01:39 |
doko | fine, then kubuntu-desktop should be installable again | 01:40 |
Riddell | will the buildd's automatically pick up that python-qt3 has been demoted? | 01:40 |
doko | don't know, ask infinity | 01:40 |
hunger | doko: It isen't. amarok, k3b, kscreensaver and openoffice.org2-kde did not yet make it into the archives. | 01:46 |
Riddell | hunger: we just discussed amarok and k3b and I'll sort them today | 01:48 |
hunger | Riddell: Oh, I only picked up "doko>fine, then kubuntu-desktop should be installable again" :-) | 01:49 |
Riddell | hunger: kdeartwork (not part of kubuntu-desktop) can't complile because of xscreensaver-gl | 01:50 |
Riddell | doko: does someone just need to upload a new xscreensaver-gl to fix that so it'll pick up the correct shlibs? | 01:50 |
doko | what do you want to fix? | 01:51 |
Riddell | no, I'm wrong, it's the build-dep on xlibmesa-glu-dev that's the problem | 01:54 |
doko | xlibmesa-glu-dev -> x11proto-gl-dev | 01:57 |
Riddell | doko: how desperatly do you want kubuntu-desktop to be installable | 03:12 |
Riddell | I'd like to recert the depends on the kde module's meta-packages back to what KDE ships with then fix the kubuntu seed to include what we ship with | 03:13 |
Riddell | s/recert/revert/ | 03:13 |
doko | Riddell, how desperatly do you want buildable CD's? | 03:13 |
Riddell | yep, but it should be done at some point so I think now is as good as any | 03:14 |
doko | ask Kamion about it. we definitely need an xorg update for the CD's | 03:15 |
amu | moin' | 03:36 |
Riddell | hello amu, any plans for today? | 03:40 |
amu | not excatly, most is done, got millions of mails, need about 15-30min. more | 03:42 |
uniq | riddell: let me know if there is anything i can do to help. | 03:53 |
Riddell | uniq: could look at konversation package, there's a bugzilla entry saying changes need mergin from debian | 03:55 |
uniq | ok.. will do. | 03:55 |
doko | amu: two FTBFS ... k3b and amarok | 04:01 |
amu | k3b looks fine, finally there's also a new upstream version :) | 04:02 |
uniq | amu: i have done some work on packaging amarok 1.2.4.. the debian/ dir is ready and all.. gcc4-compile-fix.patch and all.. but some too-advanced-for-me-to-understand compile error stops me from making the package. | 04:03 |
uniq | i can publish the sources if someone would like to take a look. | 04:03 |
amu | uniq: would be good if you add your patch to the bts | 04:05 |
uniq | will do. | 04:05 |
JRe | uniq: yeah i'll try to help if i can do something | 04:06 |
KabelKasper | Hello, does anybody know where i can get the python2.4-dcop package? | 04:09 |
uniq | amu: you're thinking about #11082 or #11285 ? | 04:09 |
Riddell | KabelKasper: python-dcop | 04:09 |
KabelKasper | Riddell: But this has dependencies to >=python2.3 | 04:11 |
KabelKasper | I wnat to try the rename_hdd scriptfrom Rajeev J Sebastian | 04:11 |
Riddell | KabelKasper: yeah, it's broken in hoary I'm afraid | 04:11 |
uniq | amu: i'm adding the potch to #11082 | 04:11 |
KabelKasper | Riddell: ;( | 04:12 |
amu | uniq: the lang files are beeing extracted from the kubuntu debs, he should be sure he installed also the langpacks | 04:26 |
uniq | amu: like kde-i18n-XX ? | 04:27 |
uniq | I have kde-i18n-nb. but amarok is still english for me. | 04:29 |
amu | language-pack-XX or language-support-xx | 04:30 |
uniq | bbl.. birthday party for one of my co-workers. | 04:31 |
uniq | ok. | 04:31 |
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JRe | cheers! | 04:38 |
uniq | great :) | 04:39 |
uniq | I'll go celebrate my coworkers birthday.. and the release of 3.4.1 then :) | 04:39 |
KaiL | "from the ---KDE dept" << uhm, what? :) | 04:40 |
uniq | amu: the patch is at #11082 if you want it.. posted at the wrong place.. though. :| | 04:40 |
uniq | gtg. | 04:40 |
JRe | KabelKasper: lol | 04:40 |
KabelKasper | JRe: ? | 04:41 |
JRe | KabelKasper: oups sorry it was a KaiL: lol missed ;) ;) | 04:41 |
Riddell | KaiL: I thought it would be nice to welcome our new greek translation pack | 04:42 |
amu | uniq: ;) no prob | 04:43 |
KaiL | there wasn't one before? | 04:44 |
amu | "but it seems the po files are extracted" they are extracted .... if they arent it's a bug :) i'll ask pitti ( he's responsable for it, case you have one more problem) | 04:45 |
KaiL | ah, artsd back at work :) | 04:45 |
KaiL | ...that fixes juk. | 04:48 |
amu | uniq: pitti confirms there's a problem with non-kde base packages and their translations .... | 05:03 |
Riddell | KaiL: in breezy? | 05:04 |
amu | holy shit, new k3b is bit more than just recompiling :) | 05:30 |
JRe | amu: ;) | 05:30 |
KaiL | Riddell: yes | 05:32 |
Riddell | KaiL: cool | 05:33 |
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KaiL | but not kaffeine :( | 05:33 |
KaiL | Riddell: eh: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals | 05:34 |
KaiL | scroll down ;) | 05:34 |
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KaiL_ | stupid German Telekom :( | 05:44 |
Riddell | KaiL_: what am I looking for on BreezyGoals? | 05:48 |
KaiL_ | the list of kubuntu testers ;) | 05:48 |
JRe | ;) ;) | 05:49 |
Riddell | of course, forgot about that :) | 05:51 |
KaiL_ | wow, even konserve haves as it did with hoary (means: it still crashes)+ | 06:04 |
KaiL_ | http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/breezy_probs.html lists kpdf as being uninstallable....?!? | 06:10 |
Riddell | KaiL_: yeah, I'll fix that today | 06:10 |
Riddell | depend on xpdf-utils | 06:10 |
KaiL_ | and that's in universe? | 06:11 |
Riddell | yes | 06:11 |
opi | Riddell: apt-geting 3.4.1 | 06:12 |
opi | Riddell: it will take another 16 minutes | 06:12 |
opi | Riddell: hope I will be able to work on this computer after this ;) | 06:12 |
Riddell | everyone is very pessimistic about 3.4.1 | 06:13 |
opi | :-) | 06:13 |
opi | I'm not | 06:13 |
opi | you've proved quality of your work with Kubuntu | 06:13 |
KabelKasper | Works nice here | 06:13 |
KaiL_ | Riddell: why? | 06:13 |
Riddell | KaiL_: why what? | 06:14 |
KaiL_ | pessimistic | 06:14 |
Riddell | dunno, they should be saying "oh boy, can't wait to try that new Greek language pack" or something | 06:14 |
opi | Oh boy, I can't wait to try new Polish language pack (OK, I'm lying, I'm not using -pl language pack;-) | 06:15 |
KabelKasper | Why should i try the new Greek language pack? I won't be able to read anything. ;) | 06:16 |
Riddell | KabelKasper: it's new in this release is all | 06:16 |
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KaiL_ | de was already complete, nds not that much better - everything else I don't understand ;p | 06:17 |
opi | *doh*, 2Kb/s from kde.org ;( | 06:18 |
Riddell | de may not make it into kofficce 1.4 | 06:18 |
KaiL_ | Riddell: ?! | 06:18 |
Riddell | only 60% translated | 06:18 |
KaiL_ | and that's not enough? | 06:19 |
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Riddell | 75% is the threshold for KDE with 90% kdelibs | 06:20 |
KaiL_ | but only kdebase afair | 06:21 |
KaiL_ | see nds translation | 06:22 |
Riddell | KaiL_: oh yes, you're right | 06:24 |
KaiL_ | intel has started to deliver Celerons with 64Bit extenstion - that could give some more amd64 users soon | 06:29 |
opi | ;-) | 06:31 |
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Riddell | hello dato, I hear you became a Debian Developer, congratulations | 06:36 |
dato | yes, thanks :) | 06:36 |
KaiL_ | Riddell: kpilot fixed? | 07:08 |
Riddell | KaiL_: the patch is in the packages | 07:08 |
KaiL_ | let's hope for a "kdepim 3.4.1.1" :) | 07:09 |
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(uniq/#kubuntu-devel) i agree. | 10:00 | |
KaiL_ | kde3.4.1 backport yes, but not every app possible (imho) | 10:03 |
KaiL_ | except if the old version is unusable (konserve) | 10:03 |
KaiL_ | also amarok on breezy is more important :) | 10:04 |
uniq | i've tried to build amarok on breezy.. some obscured error while compiling. | 10:05 |
uniq | I have the package files ready though. | 10:06 |
uniq | the debian/ dir. | 10:06 |
amu | i'll try for hoary | 10:06 |
uniq | i based my package on the debian package.. it's much cleaner than the current ubuntu package. | 10:07 |
amu | bbl ubuntu-meeting | 10:07 |
uniq | k. | 10:07 |
KaiL_ | das heit #ubuntu-meeting | 10:08 |
KaiL_ | ...for the others to have something to click on :p | 10:08 |
amu | heh | 10:14 |
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venda | anyone here ready to answer license questions | 10:49 |
uniq | probably a bad time.. considering the technical board meeting. | 10:51 |
uniq | you can always ask.. and just wait :) | 10:52 |
uniq | don't think i can answer it for you though, i will if i can. | 10:53 |
venda | uniq: ok here goes | 11:07 |
venda | over at doteam we have a dual license regime | 11:07 |
venda | all docs are under GFDL and CC BY SA 2.0 | 11:07 |
venda | lets say we find a doc out there under GFDL | 11:07 |
venda | the lic permits us to use it | 11:08 |
venda | but we want to use it in a doc that is under the dual regime. | 11:08 |
venda | Is there a problem | 11:08 |
uniq | I wouldn't know that.. sorry. | 11:09 |
uniq | what does the GFDL say about other licences? | 11:09 |
venda | ok thanks | 11:09 |
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amu | uniq: can be a cdbs problem | 11:34 |
uniq | maybe. | 11:34 |
amu | i'll continue :) | 11:35 |
uniq | kdelibs 3.4.1 depends on cdbs >=0.4.27 | 11:36 |
uniq | i have 0.4.26-1ubuntu1 on hoary. | 11:36 |
uniq | amu: http://frode.kde.no/pb-hacks/ if you wanted to have a look. | 11:45 |
uniq | simple bashscripts. | 11:47 |
amu | uniq: i'll pt it onto the queue, still uploading/testing live, testing new k3b .. building and testing new blender ... | 11:49 |
uniq | sure.. :) | 11:50 |
uniq | i'm just feeding you even more info. :) | 11:50 |
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