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elmoRiddell: why's kde-i18n-el packaged separately?12:47
Riddellelmo: they're all packaged separately now12:48
Riddellelmo: used to be one big source file, now it's split up by upstream, -el happens to be a new one with this release12:49
elmodo they use insane two letter country codes upstream too?12:49
elmoand are Debian doing the same thing?12:49
Riddellelmo: the country codes come from upstream and match the current binary packages12:52
Riddellhavn't asked Debian yet what they're doing12:52
Riddellwhat's wrong with two letter language codes? every other language package seems to use them12:54
elmo-uk, -ca, -el are all horribly confusing12:55
elmoand that's just the three I know of offhand, I suspect there are plenty more12:55
elmoin any event, as you say, the current packages use that scheme, so never mind12:55
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JRemorning alls09:40
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KaiLelmo: uk = ukrainan, el=greek, ca=catalan?10:20
KaiLwhat's difficult on this?10:20
KaiLor do you want to write the full names?10:21
KaiLkde-i18n-nds works.10:24
KaiLkde-i18n-de too10:25
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KaiLkaffeine crashes, while xine doesn't want to exit10:31
JReKaiL: :(10:36
KaiLdid we have all that small apps from kdegraphics in hoary too?10:37
JReKaiL: what apps 10:38
JRe?10:38
KaiLkgamma, kruler, kview10:38
JReKaiL: you mean installed by default?10:39
KaiLyes10:39
JReKaiL: no10:39
KaiLand kopete depends on xmms - gar, this happenes with every update...10:39
JReKaiL: why kopete depends on xmms ?10:40
KaiLduno, seams to be a "bad joke" from the guy, who once created that package10:41
KaiLand comes back again and again10:41
KaiLjuk also crashes (I think, I already said this)10:42
JReKaiL: wow seems to be many work to do|10:43
KaiLfinally missing: openoffice.org2-kde, amarok, kscreensaver (=kdeaddons) and k3b10:44
KaiL....not, that I'd be sad, if we drop screensavers at all (as they are only a waste of energy)10:45
JRemake kopete depending on xmms is a bad joke :(10:46
JReKaiL: we have someone to fix the depency of kopete and there is a bug report for the JuK crash?10:52
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opimorning :-)11:33
JRemorning11:51
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Riddellelmo: python-qt3 needs either to move to universe or for libqscintilla5c2 to move to main so the new version can compile01:14
Riddellelmo: nothing depends on it so it could be moved to universe but I expect at least 1 package in main to depend on it soon so it might have to move back again01:15
elmowhat's going to depend on it?01:17
dokoRiddell, what's the status of xpdf-utils? can it be replaced?01:18
Riddellelmo: guidance, system configuration tools http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/01:18
Riddelldoko: it's used by kpdf to get information out of PDF files, it could be moved to a suggest if it's a problem but it would be nice to have the functionality by default01:19
elmothat's definitely going to  main?01:19
Riddellelmo: not definately, so I'm happy for python-qt3 to be moved to universe for the moment01:20
dokoRiddell: can we have this as an interim solution, so that kubuntu-desktop get's installable again?01:20
elmoI wish I knew why it was in main for hoary01:20
dokoelmo: simple: build-dep for hpij01:20
elmoRiddell: could you investigate using a poppler based tool instead?  pitti did this for cups, and it didn't take him very long.  you might even be able to reuse his work01:21
Riddelldoko: ok01:21
elmodoko: hplip doesn't use it anymore?01:21
elmoRiddell: (feel free to do what doko's asking first tho)01:21
Riddellhplip seems to be in universe01:21
elmothe source isn't01:21
Riddellright01:21
dokoelmo: I did split hplip into hplip and hplip-base01:21
elmonor is hpijs01:21
dokohplip still uses python-qt301:22
elmodoko: hmm, ok01:23
dokothe debian maintainer doesn't want to drop the build-dep for Debian. he says, the upstream pregenerated files are often just wrong01:23
elmoI've demoted python-qt for now then01:24
Riddellelmo: groovy01:24
dokoelmo: what about libqt-perl (debconf build dep)01:25
elmodoko: hum.01:26
dokomaybe we should move that to #u-d01:26
elmoRiddell: you guys happy with supporting kdebindings?01:27
Riddellelmo: yep01:28
Riddellelmo: kdebindings is also needed for koffice, and I expect parts of koffice to be in the next kubuntu01:28
dokoelmo: well, in that case, we can keep python-qt3 in main as well ...01:29
elmodoko: buh, seriously?01:29
Riddelldoko: python-qt3 doesn't come from kdebindings01:29
Riddellthe version in kdebindings is out of date01:29
dokoRiddell, no, but if we offer bindings for perl, there should be bindings for python as well. you remember, python everywhere ;)01:30
elmook, promoted libqt-perl01:31
Riddelldoko: need to get debconf re-written in python01:31
dokoRiddell: do the two FTBFS look fixable for you?01:38
Riddelldoko: yep, pretty sure the fixes for those are already in upstream, I just need to dig them out, will do so today01:39
dokofine, then kubuntu-desktop should be installable again01:40
Riddellwill the buildd's automatically pick up that python-qt3 has been demoted?01:40
dokodon't know, ask infinity01:40
hungerdoko: It isen't. amarok, k3b, kscreensaver and openoffice.org2-kde did not yet make it into the archives.01:46
Riddellhunger: we just discussed amarok and k3b and I'll sort them today01:48
hungerRiddell: Oh, I only picked up "doko>fine, then kubuntu-desktop should be installable again" :-)01:49
Riddellhunger: kdeartwork (not part of kubuntu-desktop) can't complile because of xscreensaver-gl01:50
Riddelldoko: does someone just need to upload a new xscreensaver-gl to fix that so it'll pick up the correct shlibs?01:50
dokowhat do you want to fix?01:51
Riddellno, I'm wrong, it's the build-dep on xlibmesa-glu-dev that's the problem01:54
dokoxlibmesa-glu-dev -> x11proto-gl-dev01:57
Riddelldoko: how desperatly do you want kubuntu-desktop to be installable03:12
RiddellI'd like to recert the depends on the kde module's meta-packages back to what KDE ships with then fix the kubuntu seed to include what we ship with03:13
Riddells/recert/revert/03:13
dokoRiddell, how desperatly do you want buildable CD's?03:13
Riddellyep, but it should be done at some point so I think now is as good as any03:14
dokoask Kamion about it. we definitely need an xorg update for the CD's03:15
amumoin' 03:36
Riddellhello amu, any plans for today?03:40
amunot excatly, most is done, got millions of mails, need about 15-30min. more   03:42
uniqriddell: let me know if there is anything i can do to help.03:53
Riddelluniq: could look at konversation package, there's a bugzilla entry saying changes need mergin from debian03:55
uniqok.. will do.03:55
dokoamu: two FTBFS ... k3b and amarok04:01
amuk3b looks fine, finally there's also a new upstream version :) 04:02
uniqamu: i have done some work on packaging amarok 1.2.4.. the debian/ dir is ready and all.. gcc4-compile-fix.patch and all.. but some too-advanced-for-me-to-understand compile error stops me from making the package.04:03
uniqi can publish the sources if someone would like to take a look.04:03
amuuniq: would be good if you add your patch to the bts 04:05
uniqwill do.04:05
JReuniq: yeah i'll try to help if i can do something04:06
KabelKasperHello, does anybody know where i can get the python2.4-dcop package?04:09
uniqamu: you're thinking about #11082 or #11285 ?04:09
RiddellKabelKasper: python-dcop04:09
KabelKasperRiddell: But this has dependencies to >=python2.304:11
KabelKasperI wnat to try the rename_hdd scriptfrom Rajeev J Sebastian04:11
RiddellKabelKasper: yeah, it's broken in hoary I'm afraid04:11
uniqamu: i'm adding the potch to #1108204:11
KabelKasperRiddell: ;(04:12
amuuniq: the lang files are beeing extracted from the kubuntu debs, he should be sure he installed also the langpacks     04:26
uniqamu: like kde-i18n-XX ? 04:27
uniqI have kde-i18n-nb. but amarok is still english for me.04:29
amulanguage-pack-XX or language-support-xx04:30
uniqbbl.. birthday party for one of my co-workers.04:31
uniqok.04:31
=== Riddell announces KDE 3.4.1 http://dot.kde.org/1117548502
JRecheers!04:38
uniqgreat :)04:39
uniqI'll go celebrate my coworkers birthday.. and the release of 3.4.1 then :)04:39
KaiL"from the ---KDE dept" << uhm, what? :)04:40
uniqamu: the patch is at #11082 if you want it.. posted at the wrong place.. though. :|04:40
uniq gtg.04:40
JReKabelKasper: lol04:40
KabelKasperJRe: ?04:41
JReKabelKasper: oups sorry it was a KaiL: lol missed ;) ;)04:41
RiddellKaiL: I thought it would be nice to welcome our new greek translation pack04:42
amuuniq: ;) no prob   04:43
KaiLthere wasn't one before?04:44
amu"but it seems the po files are extracted" they are extracted .... if they arent it's a bug :) i'll ask pitti ( he's responsable for it, case you have one more problem)     04:45
KaiLah, artsd back at work :)04:45
KaiL...that fixes juk.04:48
amuuniq: pitti confirms there's a problem with non-kde base packages and their translations .... 05:03
RiddellKaiL: in breezy?05:04
amuholy shit, new k3b is bit more than just recompiling :) 05:30
JReamu: ;)05:30
KaiLRiddell: yes05:32
RiddellKaiL: cool05:33
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KaiLbut not kaffeine :(05:33
KaiLRiddell: eh: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals05:34
KaiLscroll down ;)05:34
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KaiL_stupid German Telekom :(05:44
RiddellKaiL_: what am I looking for on BreezyGoals?05:48
KaiL_the list of kubuntu testers ;)05:48
JRe;) ;)05:49
Riddellof course, forgot about that :)05:51
KaiL_wow, even konserve haves as it did with hoary (means: it still crashes)+06:04
KaiL_http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/breezy_probs.html lists kpdf as being uninstallable....?!?06:10
RiddellKaiL_: yeah, I'll fix that today06:10
Riddelldepend on xpdf-utils06:10
KaiL_and that's in universe?06:11
Riddellyes06:11
opiRiddell: apt-geting 3.4.106:12
opiRiddell: it will take another 16 minutes06:12
opiRiddell: hope I will be able to work on this computer after this ;)06:12
Riddelleveryone is very pessimistic about 3.4.106:13
opi:-)06:13
opiI'm not06:13
opiyou've proved quality of your work with Kubuntu 06:13
KabelKasperWorks nice here06:13
KaiL_Riddell: why?06:13
RiddellKaiL_: why what?06:14
KaiL_pessimistic06:14
Riddelldunno, they should be saying "oh boy, can't wait to try that new Greek language pack" or something06:14
opiOh boy, I can't wait to try new Polish language pack (OK, I'm lying, I'm not using -pl language pack;-)06:15
KabelKasperWhy should i try the new Greek language pack? I won't be able to read anything. ;)06:16
RiddellKabelKasper: it's new in this release is all06:16
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KaiL_de was already complete, nds not that much better - everything else I don't understand ;p06:17
opi*doh*, 2Kb/s from kde.org ;(06:18
Riddellde may not make it into kofficce 1.406:18
KaiL_Riddell: ?!06:18
Riddellonly 60% translated06:18
KaiL_and that's not enough?06:19
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Riddell75% is the threshold for KDE with 90% kdelibs06:20
KaiL_but only kdebase afair06:21
KaiL_see nds translation06:22
RiddellKaiL_: oh yes, you're right06:24
KaiL_intel has started to deliver Celerons with 64Bit extenstion - that could give some more amd64 users soon06:29
opi;-)06:31
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Riddellhello dato, I hear you became a Debian Developer, congratulations06:36
datoyes, thanks :)06:36
KaiL_Riddell: kpilot fixed?07:08
RiddellKaiL_: the patch is in the packages07:08
KaiL_let's hope for a "kdepim 3.4.1.1" :)07:09
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=== Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Kubuntu 5.04 Released http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu
=== Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Fri Apr 8 09:50:53 2005
(uniq/#kubuntu-devel) i agree.10:00
KaiL_kde3.4.1 backport yes, but not every app possible (imho)10:03
KaiL_except if the old version is unusable (konserve)10:03
KaiL_also amarok on breezy is more important :)10:04
uniqi've tried to build amarok on breezy.. some obscured error while compiling.10:05
uniqI have the package files ready though.10:06
uniqthe debian/ dir.10:06
amui'll try for hoary10:06
uniqi based my package on the debian package.. it's much cleaner than the current ubuntu package.10:07
amubbl ubuntu-meeting 10:07
uniqk.10:07
KaiL_das heit #ubuntu-meeting10:08
KaiL_...for the others to have something to click on :p10:08
amuheh10:14
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vendaanyone here ready to answer license questions10:49
uniqprobably a bad time.. considering the technical board meeting.10:51
uniqyou can always ask.. and just wait :)10:52
uniqdon't think i can answer it for you though, i will if i can.10:53
vendauniq: ok here goes11:07
vendaover at doteam we have a dual license regime11:07
vendaall docs are under GFDL and CC BY SA 2.011:07
vendalets say we find a doc out there under GFDL11:07
vendathe lic permits us to use it11:08
vendabut we want to use it in a doc that is under the dual regime.11:08
vendaIs there a problem11:08
uniqI wouldn't know that.. sorry.11:09
uniqwhat does the GFDL say about other licences? 11:09
vendaok thanks11:09
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amuuniq: can be a cdbs problem11:34
uniqmaybe.11:34
amui'll continue :) 11:35
uniqkdelibs 3.4.1 depends on cdbs >=0.4.2711:36
uniqi have 0.4.26-1ubuntu1 on hoary.11:36
uniqamu: http://frode.kde.no/pb-hacks/ if you wanted to have a look.11:45
uniqsimple bashscripts.11:47
amuuniq: i'll pt it onto the queue, still uploading/testing live, testing new k3b .. building and testing new blender ...11:49
uniqsure.. :)11:50
uniqi'm just feeding you even more info. :)11:50

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