[12:47] <elmo> Riddell: why's kde-i18n-el packaged separately?
[12:48] <Riddell> elmo: they're all packaged separately now
[12:49] <Riddell> elmo: used to be one big source file, now it's split up by upstream, -el happens to be a new one with this release
[12:49] <elmo> do they use insane two letter country codes upstream too?
[12:49] <elmo> and are Debian doing the same thing?
[12:52] <Riddell> elmo: the country codes come from upstream and match the current binary packages
[12:52] <Riddell> havn't asked Debian yet what they're doing
[12:54] <Riddell> what's wrong with two letter language codes? every other language package seems to use them
[12:55] <elmo> -uk, -ca, -el are all horribly confusing
[12:55] <elmo> and that's just the three I know of offhand, I suspect there are plenty more
[12:55] <elmo> in any event, as you say, the current packages use that scheme, so never mind
[09:40] <JRe> morning alls
[10:20] <KaiL> elmo: uk = ukrainan, el=greek, ca=catalan?
[10:20] <KaiL> what's difficult on this?
[10:21] <KaiL> or do you want to write the full names?
[10:24] <KaiL> kde-i18n-nds works.
[10:25] <KaiL> kde-i18n-de too
[10:31] <KaiL> kaffeine crashes, while xine doesn't want to exit
[10:36] <JRe> KaiL: :(
[10:37] <KaiL> did we have all that small apps from kdegraphics in hoary too?
[10:38] <JRe> KaiL: what apps 
[10:38] <JRe> ?
[10:38] <KaiL> kgamma, kruler, kview
[10:39] <JRe> KaiL: you mean installed by default?
[10:39] <KaiL> yes
[10:39] <JRe> KaiL: no
[10:39] <KaiL> and kopete depends on xmms - gar, this happenes with every update...
[10:40] <JRe> KaiL: why kopete depends on xmms ?
[10:41] <KaiL> duno, seams to be a "bad joke" from the guy, who once created that package
[10:41] <KaiL> and comes back again and again
[10:42] <KaiL> juk also crashes (I think, I already said this)
[10:43] <JRe> KaiL: wow seems to be many work to do|
[10:44] <KaiL> finally missing: openoffice.org2-kde, amarok, kscreensaver (=kdeaddons) and k3b
[10:45] <KaiL> ....not, that I'd be sad, if we drop screensavers at all (as they are only a waste of energy)
[10:46] <JRe> make kopete depending on xmms is a bad joke :(
[10:52] <JRe> KaiL: we have someone to fix the depency of kopete and there is a bug report for the JuK crash?
[11:33] <opi> morning :-)
[11:51] <JRe> morning
[01:14] <Riddell> elmo: python-qt3 needs either to move to universe or for libqscintilla5c2 to move to main so the new version can compile
[01:15] <Riddell> elmo: nothing depends on it so it could be moved to universe but I expect at least 1 package in main to depend on it soon so it might have to move back again
[01:17] <elmo> what's going to depend on it?
[01:18] <doko> Riddell, what's the status of xpdf-utils? can it be replaced?
[01:18] <Riddell> elmo: guidance, system configuration tools http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/
[01:19] <Riddell> doko: it's used by kpdf to get information out of PDF files, it could be moved to a suggest if it's a problem but it would be nice to have the functionality by default
[01:19] <elmo> that's definitely going to  main?
[01:20] <Riddell> elmo: not definately, so I'm happy for python-qt3 to be moved to universe for the moment
[01:20] <doko> Riddell: can we have this as an interim solution, so that kubuntu-desktop get's installable again?
[01:20] <elmo> I wish I knew why it was in main for hoary
[01:20] <doko> elmo: simple: build-dep for hpij
[01:21] <elmo> Riddell: could you investigate using a poppler based tool instead?  pitti did this for cups, and it didn't take him very long.  you might even be able to reuse his work
[01:21] <Riddell> doko: ok
[01:21] <elmo> doko: hplip doesn't use it anymore?
[01:21] <elmo> Riddell: (feel free to do what doko's asking first tho)
[01:21] <Riddell> hplip seems to be in universe
[01:21] <elmo> the source isn't
[01:21] <Riddell> right
[01:21] <doko> elmo: I did split hplip into hplip and hplip-base
[01:21] <elmo> nor is hpijs
[01:22] <doko> hplip still uses python-qt3
[01:23] <elmo> doko: hmm, ok
[01:23] <doko> the debian maintainer doesn't want to drop the build-dep for Debian. he says, the upstream pregenerated files are often just wrong
[01:24] <elmo> I've demoted python-qt for now then
[01:24] <Riddell> elmo: groovy
[01:25] <doko> elmo: what about libqt-perl (debconf build dep)
[01:26] <elmo> doko: hum.
[01:26] <doko> maybe we should move that to #u-d
[01:27] <elmo> Riddell: you guys happy with supporting kdebindings?
[01:28] <Riddell> elmo: yep
[01:28] <Riddell> elmo: kdebindings is also needed for koffice, and I expect parts of koffice to be in the next kubuntu
[01:29] <doko> elmo: well, in that case, we can keep python-qt3 in main as well ...
[01:29] <elmo> doko: buh, seriously?
[01:29] <Riddell> doko: python-qt3 doesn't come from kdebindings
[01:29] <Riddell> the version in kdebindings is out of date
[01:30] <doko> Riddell, no, but if we offer bindings for perl, there should be bindings for python as well. you remember, python everywhere ;)
[01:31] <elmo> ok, promoted libqt-perl
[01:31] <Riddell> doko: need to get debconf re-written in python
[01:38] <doko> Riddell: do the two FTBFS look fixable for you?
[01:39] <Riddell> doko: yep, pretty sure the fixes for those are already in upstream, I just need to dig them out, will do so today
[01:40] <doko> fine, then kubuntu-desktop should be installable again
[01:40] <Riddell> will the buildd's automatically pick up that python-qt3 has been demoted?
[01:40] <doko> don't know, ask infinity
[01:46] <hunger> doko: It isen't. amarok, k3b, kscreensaver and openoffice.org2-kde did not yet make it into the archives.
[01:48] <Riddell> hunger: we just discussed amarok and k3b and I'll sort them today
[01:49] <hunger> Riddell: Oh, I only picked up "doko>fine, then kubuntu-desktop should be installable again" :-)
[01:50] <Riddell> hunger: kdeartwork (not part of kubuntu-desktop) can't complile because of xscreensaver-gl
[01:50] <Riddell> doko: does someone just need to upload a new xscreensaver-gl to fix that so it'll pick up the correct shlibs?
[01:51] <doko> what do you want to fix?
[01:54] <Riddell> no, I'm wrong, it's the build-dep on xlibmesa-glu-dev that's the problem
[01:57] <doko> xlibmesa-glu-dev -> x11proto-gl-dev
[03:12] <Riddell> doko: how desperatly do you want kubuntu-desktop to be installable
[03:13] <Riddell> I'd like to recert the depends on the kde module's meta-packages back to what KDE ships with then fix the kubuntu seed to include what we ship with
[03:13] <Riddell> s/recert/revert/
[03:13] <doko> Riddell, how desperatly do you want buildable CD's?
[03:14] <Riddell> yep, but it should be done at some point so I think now is as good as any
[03:15] <doko> ask Kamion about it. we definitely need an xorg update for the CD's
[03:36] <amu> moin' 
[03:40] <Riddell> hello amu, any plans for today?
[03:42] <amu> not excatly, most is done, got millions of mails, need about 15-30min. more   
[03:53] <uniq> riddell: let me know if there is anything i can do to help.
[03:55] <Riddell> uniq: could look at konversation package, there's a bugzilla entry saying changes need mergin from debian
[03:55] <uniq> ok.. will do.
[04:01] <doko> amu: two FTBFS ... k3b and amarok
[04:02] <amu> k3b looks fine, finally there's also a new upstream version :) 
[04:03] <uniq> amu: i have done some work on packaging amarok 1.2.4.. the debian/ dir is ready and all.. gcc4-compile-fix.patch and all.. but some too-advanced-for-me-to-understand compile error stops me from making the package.
[04:03] <uniq> i can publish the sources if someone would like to take a look.
[04:05] <amu> uniq: would be good if you add your patch to the bts 
[04:05] <uniq> will do.
[04:06] <JRe> uniq: yeah i'll try to help if i can do something
[04:09] <KabelKasper> Hello, does anybody know where i can get the python2.4-dcop package?
[04:09] <uniq> amu: you're thinking about #11082 or #11285 ?
[04:09] <Riddell> KabelKasper: python-dcop
[04:11] <KabelKasper> Riddell: But this has dependencies to >=python2.3
[04:11] <KabelKasper> I wnat to try the rename_hdd scriptfrom Rajeev J Sebastian
[04:11] <Riddell> KabelKasper: yeah, it's broken in hoary I'm afraid
[04:11] <uniq> amu: i'm adding the potch to #11082
[04:12] <KabelKasper> Riddell: ;(
[04:26] <amu> uniq: the lang files are beeing extracted from the kubuntu debs, he should be sure he installed also the langpacks     
[04:27] <uniq> amu: like kde-i18n-XX ? 
[04:29] <uniq> I have kde-i18n-nb. but amarok is still english for me.
[04:30] <amu> language-pack-XX or language-support-xx
[04:31] <uniq> bbl.. birthday party for one of my co-workers.
[04:31] <uniq> ok.
[04:38] <JRe> cheers!
[04:39] <uniq> great :)
[04:39] <uniq> I'll go celebrate my coworkers birthday.. and the release of 3.4.1 then :)
[04:40] <KaiL> "from the ---KDE dept" << uhm, what? :)
[04:40] <uniq> amu: the patch is at #11082 if you want it.. posted at the wrong place.. though. :|
[04:40] <uniq>  gtg.
[04:40] <JRe> KabelKasper: lol
[04:41] <KabelKasper> JRe: ?
[04:41] <JRe> KabelKasper: oups sorry it was a KaiL: lol missed ;) ;)
[04:42] <Riddell> KaiL: I thought it would be nice to welcome our new greek translation pack
[04:43] <amu> uniq: ;) no prob   
[04:44] <KaiL> there wasn't one before?
[04:45] <amu> "but it seems the po files are extracted" they are extracted .... if they arent it's a bug :) i'll ask pitti ( he's responsable for it, case you have one more problem)     
[04:45] <KaiL> ah, artsd back at work :)
[04:48] <KaiL> ...that fixes juk.
[05:03] <amu> uniq: pitti confirms there's a problem with non-kde base packages and their translations .... 
[05:04] <Riddell> KaiL: in breezy?
[05:30] <amu> holy shit, new k3b is bit more than just recompiling :) 
[05:30] <JRe> amu: ;)
[05:32] <KaiL> Riddell: yes
[05:33] <Riddell> KaiL: cool
[05:33] <KaiL> but not kaffeine :(
[05:34] <KaiL> Riddell: eh: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals
[05:34] <KaiL> scroll down ;)
[05:44] <KaiL_> stupid German Telekom :(
[05:48] <Riddell> KaiL_: what am I looking for on BreezyGoals?
[05:48] <KaiL_> the list of kubuntu testers ;)
[05:49] <JRe> ;) ;)
[05:51] <Riddell> of course, forgot about that :)
[06:04] <KaiL_> wow, even konserve haves as it did with hoary (means: it still crashes)+
[06:10] <KaiL_> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/breezy_probs.html lists kpdf as being uninstallable....?!?
[06:10] <Riddell> KaiL_: yeah, I'll fix that today
[06:10] <Riddell> depend on xpdf-utils
[06:11] <KaiL_> and that's in universe?
[06:11] <Riddell> yes
[06:12] <opi> Riddell: apt-geting 3.4.1
[06:12] <opi> Riddell: it will take another 16 minutes
[06:12] <opi> Riddell: hope I will be able to work on this computer after this ;)
[06:13] <Riddell> everyone is very pessimistic about 3.4.1
[06:13] <opi> :-)
[06:13] <opi> I'm not
[06:13] <opi> you've proved quality of your work with Kubuntu 
[06:13] <KabelKasper> Works nice here
[06:13] <KaiL_> Riddell: why?
[06:14] <Riddell> KaiL_: why what?
[06:14] <KaiL_> pessimistic
[06:14] <Riddell> dunno, they should be saying "oh boy, can't wait to try that new Greek language pack" or something
[06:15] <opi> Oh boy, I can't wait to try new Polish language pack (OK, I'm lying, I'm not using -pl language pack;-)
[06:16] <KabelKasper> Why should i try the new Greek language pack? I won't be able to read anything. ;)
[06:16] <Riddell> KabelKasper: it's new in this release is all
[06:17] <KaiL_> de was already complete, nds not that much better - everything else I don't understand ;p
[06:18] <opi> *doh*, 2Kb/s from kde.org ;(
[06:18] <Riddell> de may not make it into kofficce 1.4
[06:18] <KaiL_> Riddell: ?!
[06:18] <Riddell> only 60% translated
[06:19] <KaiL_> and that's not enough?
[06:20] <Riddell> 75% is the threshold for KDE with 90% kdelibs
[06:21] <KaiL_> but only kdebase afair
[06:22] <KaiL_> see nds translation
[06:24] <Riddell> KaiL_: oh yes, you're right
[06:29] <KaiL_> intel has started to deliver Celerons with 64Bit extenstion - that could give some more amd64 users soon
[06:31] <opi> ;-)
[06:36] <Riddell> hello dato, I hear you became a Debian Developer, congratulations
[06:36] <dato> yes, thanks :)
[07:08] <KaiL_> Riddell: kpilot fixed?
[07:08] <Riddell> KaiL_: the patch is in the packages
[07:09] <KaiL_> let's hope for a "kdepim 3.4.1.1" :)
[10:00] (uniq/#kubuntu-devel) i agree.
[10:03] <KaiL_> kde3.4.1 backport yes, but not every app possible (imho)
[10:03] <KaiL_> except if the old version is unusable (konserve)
[10:04] <KaiL_> also amarok on breezy is more important :)
[10:05] <uniq> i've tried to build amarok on breezy.. some obscured error while compiling.
[10:06] <uniq> I have the package files ready though.
[10:06] <uniq> the debian/ dir.
[10:06] <amu> i'll try for hoary
[10:07] <uniq> i based my package on the debian package.. it's much cleaner than the current ubuntu package.
[10:07] <amu> bbl ubuntu-meeting 
[10:07] <uniq> k.
[10:08] <KaiL_> das heit #ubuntu-meeting
[10:08] <KaiL_> ...for the others to have something to click on :p
[10:14] <amu> heh
[10:49] <venda> anyone here ready to answer license questions
[10:51] <uniq> probably a bad time.. considering the technical board meeting.
[10:52] <uniq> you can always ask.. and just wait :)
[10:53] <uniq> don't think i can answer it for you though, i will if i can.
[11:07] <venda> uniq: ok here goes
[11:07] <venda> over at doteam we have a dual license regime
[11:07] <venda> all docs are under GFDL and CC BY SA 2.0
[11:07] <venda> lets say we find a doc out there under GFDL
[11:08] <venda> the lic permits us to use it
[11:08] <venda> but we want to use it in a doc that is under the dual regime.
[11:08] <venda> Is there a problem
[11:09] <uniq> I wouldn't know that.. sorry.
[11:09] <uniq> what does the GFDL say about other licences? 
[11:09] <venda> ok thanks
[11:34] <amu> uniq: can be a cdbs problem
[11:34] <uniq> maybe.
[11:35] <amu> i'll continue :) 
[11:36] <uniq> kdelibs 3.4.1 depends on cdbs >=0.4.27
[11:36] <uniq> i have 0.4.26-1ubuntu1 on hoary.
[11:45] <uniq> amu: http://frode.kde.no/pb-hacks/ if you wanted to have a look.
[11:47] <uniq> simple bashscripts.
[11:49] <amu> uniq: i'll pt it onto the queue, still uploading/testing live, testing new k3b .. building and testing new blender ...
[11:50] <uniq> sure.. :)
[11:50] <uniq> i'm just feeding you even more info. :)