[12:47] Riddell: why's kde-i18n-el packaged separately? [12:48] elmo: they're all packaged separately now [12:49] elmo: used to be one big source file, now it's split up by upstream, -el happens to be a new one with this release [12:49] do they use insane two letter country codes upstream too? [12:49] and are Debian doing the same thing? [12:52] elmo: the country codes come from upstream and match the current binary packages [12:52] havn't asked Debian yet what they're doing [12:54] what's wrong with two letter language codes? every other language package seems to use them [12:55] -uk, -ca, -el are all horribly confusing [12:55] and that's just the three I know of offhand, I suspect there are plenty more [12:55] in any event, as you say, the current packages use that scheme, so never mind === KabelKasper [~vloechte@i5387D6C8.versanet.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === dato [~adeodato@84-120-77-228.onocable.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === froud-away is now known as froud === froud is now known as froud-away [09:40] morning alls === froud-away [~froud@ndn-165-138-57.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:20] elmo: uk = ukrainan, el=greek, ca=catalan? [10:20] what's difficult on this? [10:21] or do you want to write the full names? [10:24] kde-i18n-nds works. [10:25] kde-i18n-de too === m-fox [~m-fox@port-212-202-9-80.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:31] kaffeine crashes, while xine doesn't want to exit [10:36] KaiL: :( [10:37] did we have all that small apps from kdegraphics in hoary too? [10:38] KaiL: what apps [10:38] ? [10:38] kgamma, kruler, kview [10:39] KaiL: you mean installed by default? [10:39] yes [10:39] KaiL: no [10:39] and kopete depends on xmms - gar, this happenes with every update... [10:40] KaiL: why kopete depends on xmms ? [10:41] duno, seams to be a "bad joke" from the guy, who once created that package [10:41] and comes back again and again [10:42] juk also crashes (I think, I already said this) [10:43] KaiL: wow seems to be many work to do| [10:44] finally missing: openoffice.org2-kde, amarok, kscreensaver (=kdeaddons) and k3b [10:45] ....not, that I'd be sad, if we drop screensavers at all (as they are only a waste of energy) [10:46] make kopete depending on xmms is a bad joke :( [10:52] KaiL: we have someone to fix the depency of kopete and there is a bug report for the JuK crash? === m-fox [~m-fox@port-212-202-9-80.dynamic.qsc.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === opi [~emil@nat0.mnc.pl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:33] morning :-) [11:51] morning === hunger [~hunger@p54A63DE6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRee [~jre@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRee is now known as JRe === KabelKasper [~vloechte@i5387EC2F.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:14] elmo: python-qt3 needs either to move to universe or for libqscintilla5c2 to move to main so the new version can compile [01:15] elmo: nothing depends on it so it could be moved to universe but I expect at least 1 package in main to depend on it soon so it might have to move back again [01:17] what's going to depend on it? [01:18] Riddell, what's the status of xpdf-utils? can it be replaced? [01:18] elmo: guidance, system configuration tools http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/ [01:19] doko: it's used by kpdf to get information out of PDF files, it could be moved to a suggest if it's a problem but it would be nice to have the functionality by default [01:19] that's definitely going to main? [01:20] elmo: not definately, so I'm happy for python-qt3 to be moved to universe for the moment [01:20] Riddell: can we have this as an interim solution, so that kubuntu-desktop get's installable again? [01:20] I wish I knew why it was in main for hoary [01:20] elmo: simple: build-dep for hpij [01:21] Riddell: could you investigate using a poppler based tool instead? pitti did this for cups, and it didn't take him very long. you might even be able to reuse his work [01:21] doko: ok [01:21] doko: hplip doesn't use it anymore? [01:21] Riddell: (feel free to do what doko's asking first tho) [01:21] hplip seems to be in universe [01:21] the source isn't [01:21] right [01:21] elmo: I did split hplip into hplip and hplip-base [01:21] nor is hpijs [01:22] hplip still uses python-qt3 [01:23] doko: hmm, ok [01:23] the debian maintainer doesn't want to drop the build-dep for Debian. he says, the upstream pregenerated files are often just wrong [01:24] I've demoted python-qt for now then [01:24] elmo: groovy [01:25] elmo: what about libqt-perl (debconf build dep) [01:26] doko: hum. [01:26] maybe we should move that to #u-d [01:27] Riddell: you guys happy with supporting kdebindings? [01:28] elmo: yep [01:28] elmo: kdebindings is also needed for koffice, and I expect parts of koffice to be in the next kubuntu [01:29] elmo: well, in that case, we can keep python-qt3 in main as well ... [01:29] doko: buh, seriously? [01:29] doko: python-qt3 doesn't come from kdebindings [01:29] the version in kdebindings is out of date [01:30] Riddell, no, but if we offer bindings for perl, there should be bindings for python as well. you remember, python everywhere ;) [01:31] ok, promoted libqt-perl [01:31] doko: need to get debconf re-written in python [01:38] Riddell: do the two FTBFS look fixable for you? [01:39] doko: yep, pretty sure the fixes for those are already in upstream, I just need to dig them out, will do so today [01:40] fine, then kubuntu-desktop should be installable again [01:40] will the buildd's automatically pick up that python-qt3 has been demoted? [01:40] don't know, ask infinity [01:46] doko: It isen't. amarok, k3b, kscreensaver and openoffice.org2-kde did not yet make it into the archives. [01:48] hunger: we just discussed amarok and k3b and I'll sort them today [01:49] Riddell: Oh, I only picked up "doko>fine, then kubuntu-desktop should be installable again" :-) [01:50] hunger: kdeartwork (not part of kubuntu-desktop) can't complile because of xscreensaver-gl [01:50] doko: does someone just need to upload a new xscreensaver-gl to fix that so it'll pick up the correct shlibs? [01:51] what do you want to fix? [01:54] no, I'm wrong, it's the build-dep on xlibmesa-glu-dev that's the problem [01:57] xlibmesa-glu-dev -> x11proto-gl-dev [03:12] doko: how desperatly do you want kubuntu-desktop to be installable [03:13] I'd like to recert the depends on the kde module's meta-packages back to what KDE ships with then fix the kubuntu seed to include what we ship with [03:13] s/recert/revert/ [03:13] Riddell, how desperatly do you want buildable CD's? [03:14] yep, but it should be done at some point so I think now is as good as any [03:15] ask Kamion about it. we definitely need an xorg update for the CD's [03:36] moin' [03:40] hello amu, any plans for today? [03:42] not excatly, most is done, got millions of mails, need about 15-30min. more [03:53] riddell: let me know if there is anything i can do to help. [03:55] uniq: could look at konversation package, there's a bugzilla entry saying changes need mergin from debian [03:55] ok.. will do. [04:01] amu: two FTBFS ... k3b and amarok [04:02] k3b looks fine, finally there's also a new upstream version :) [04:03] amu: i have done some work on packaging amarok 1.2.4.. the debian/ dir is ready and all.. gcc4-compile-fix.patch and all.. but some too-advanced-for-me-to-understand compile error stops me from making the package. [04:03] i can publish the sources if someone would like to take a look. [04:05] uniq: would be good if you add your patch to the bts [04:05] will do. [04:06] uniq: yeah i'll try to help if i can do something [04:09] Hello, does anybody know where i can get the python2.4-dcop package? [04:09] amu: you're thinking about #11082 or #11285 ? [04:09] KabelKasper: python-dcop [04:11] Riddell: But this has dependencies to >=python2.3 [04:11] I wnat to try the rename_hdd scriptfrom Rajeev J Sebastian [04:11] KabelKasper: yeah, it's broken in hoary I'm afraid [04:11] amu: i'm adding the potch to #11082 [04:12] Riddell: ;( [04:26] uniq: the lang files are beeing extracted from the kubuntu debs, he should be sure he installed also the langpacks [04:27] amu: like kde-i18n-XX ? [04:29] I have kde-i18n-nb. but amarok is still english for me. [04:30] language-pack-XX or language-support-xx [04:31] bbl.. birthday party for one of my co-workers. [04:31] ok. === Riddell announces KDE 3.4.1 http://dot.kde.org/1117548502 [04:38] cheers! [04:39] great :) [04:39] I'll go celebrate my coworkers birthday.. and the release of 3.4.1 then :) [04:40] "from the ---KDE dept" << uhm, what? :) [04:40] amu: the patch is at #11082 if you want it.. posted at the wrong place.. though. :| [04:40] gtg. [04:40] KabelKasper: lol [04:41] JRe: ? [04:41] KabelKasper: oups sorry it was a KaiL: lol missed ;) ;) [04:42] KaiL: I thought it would be nice to welcome our new greek translation pack [04:43] uniq: ;) no prob [04:44] there wasn't one before? [04:45] "but it seems the po files are extracted" they are extracted .... if they arent it's a bug :) i'll ask pitti ( he's responsable for it, case you have one more problem) [04:45] ah, artsd back at work :) [04:48] ...that fixes juk. [05:03] uniq: pitti confirms there's a problem with non-kde base packages and their translations .... [05:04] KaiL: in breezy? [05:30] holy shit, new k3b is bit more than just recompiling :) [05:30] amu: ;) [05:32] Riddell: yes [05:33] KaiL: cool === Riddell promotes KaiL to official Kubuntu breezy tester [05:33] but not kaffeine :( [05:34] Riddell: eh: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals [05:34] scroll down ;) === KaiL_ [KaiL@p548F5DA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:44] stupid German Telekom :( [05:48] KaiL_: what am I looking for on BreezyGoals? [05:48] the list of kubuntu testers ;) [05:49] ;) ;) [05:51] of course, forgot about that :) [06:04] wow, even konserve haves as it did with hoary (means: it still crashes)+ [06:10] http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/breezy_probs.html lists kpdf as being uninstallable....?!? [06:10] KaiL_: yeah, I'll fix that today [06:10] depend on xpdf-utils [06:11] and that's in universe? [06:11] yes [06:12] Riddell: apt-geting 3.4.1 [06:12] Riddell: it will take another 16 minutes [06:12] Riddell: hope I will be able to work on this computer after this ;) [06:13] everyone is very pessimistic about 3.4.1 [06:13] :-) [06:13] I'm not [06:13] you've proved quality of your work with Kubuntu [06:13] Works nice here [06:13] Riddell: why? [06:14] KaiL_: why what? [06:14] pessimistic [06:14] dunno, they should be saying "oh boy, can't wait to try that new Greek language pack" or something [06:15] Oh boy, I can't wait to try new Polish language pack (OK, I'm lying, I'm not using -pl language pack;-) [06:16] Why should i try the new Greek language pack? I won't be able to read anything. ;) [06:16] KabelKasper: it's new in this release is all === allee [~ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:17] de was already complete, nds not that much better - everything else I don't understand ;p [06:18] *doh*, 2Kb/s from kde.org ;( [06:18] de may not make it into kofficce 1.4 [06:18] Riddell: ?! [06:18] only 60% translated [06:19] and that's not enough? === KaiL_ thinks about some 10% translations of kde.... [06:20] 75% is the threshold for KDE with 90% kdelibs [06:21] but only kdebase afair [06:22] see nds translation [06:24] KaiL_: oh yes, you're right [06:29] intel has started to deliver Celerons with 64Bit extenstion - that could give some more amd64 users soon [06:31] ;-) === dato [~adeodato@84-120-77-228.onocable.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:36] hello dato, I hear you became a Debian Developer, congratulations [06:36] yes, thanks :) [07:08] Riddell: kpilot fixed? [07:08] KaiL_: the patch is in the packages [07:09] let's hope for a "kdepim 3.4.1.1" :) === ubuntulog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Kubuntu 5.04 Released http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Fri Apr 8 09:50:53 2005 === ubuntulog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Kubuntu 5.04 Released http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Fri Apr 8 09:50:53 2005 [10:00] (uniq/#kubuntu-devel) i agree. [10:03] kde3.4.1 backport yes, but not every app possible (imho) [10:03] except if the old version is unusable (konserve) [10:04] also amarok on breezy is more important :) [10:05] i've tried to build amarok on breezy.. some obscured error while compiling. [10:06] I have the package files ready though. [10:06] the debian/ dir. [10:06] i'll try for hoary [10:07] i based my package on the debian package.. it's much cleaner than the current ubuntu package. [10:07] bbl ubuntu-meeting [10:07] k. [10:08] das heit #ubuntu-meeting [10:08] ...for the others to have something to click on :p [10:14] heh === venda [~sean@ndn-165-138-57.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:49] anyone here ready to answer license questions [10:51] probably a bad time.. considering the technical board meeting. [10:52] you can always ask.. and just wait :) [10:53] don't think i can answer it for you though, i will if i can. [11:07] uniq: ok here goes [11:07] over at doteam we have a dual license regime [11:07] all docs are under GFDL and CC BY SA 2.0 [11:07] lets say we find a doc out there under GFDL [11:08] the lic permits us to use it [11:08] but we want to use it in a doc that is under the dual regime. [11:08] Is there a problem [11:09] I wouldn't know that.. sorry. [11:09] what does the GFDL say about other licences? [11:09] ok thanks === venda [~sean@ndn-165-138-57.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [11:34] uniq: can be a cdbs problem [11:34] maybe. [11:35] i'll continue :) [11:36] kdelibs 3.4.1 depends on cdbs >=0.4.27 [11:36] i have 0.4.26-1ubuntu1 on hoary. [11:45] amu: http://frode.kde.no/pb-hacks/ if you wanted to have a look. [11:47] simple bashscripts. [11:49] uniq: i'll pt it onto the queue, still uploading/testing live, testing new k3b .. building and testing new blender ... [11:50] sure.. :) [11:50] i'm just feeding you even more info. :)