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StRHi all12:36
Tm_Thullo12:36
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kappaOnehey ppl anyone know how to edit menu entries on konqueror? 12:37
kappaOnesuch as say hide "show hidden files"12:37
Tm_Tedit?12:37
kappaOneyeh like say remove entries or add them12:38
Tm_Ttry #kde-dev12:40
kappaOneok thx12:40
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psnkappaOne: you can do that by hand editing an xml file...12:43
kappaOnedo u know which one it is?12:44
Tm_Toh yes, I forgot that12:44
apollo2011How do I install a package from a .deb?12:44
psnkappaOne: i'll look wait12:45
kappaOnethx12:45
psnkappaOne: do you want to do it system wide or only for your user?12:46
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kappaOneeither12:47
kappaOnei don't mind12:47
Tm_Tapollo2011: dpkg -i package.deb12:47
kappaOneuser preferably12:47
Tm_Tif I remember it correctly12:47
apollo2011Tim_T: thx12:47
psnkappaOne: ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc12:47
Tm_Tapollo2011: Tim?12:47
kappaOnethx i'll have a look12:47
Tm_Twho's Tim?12:47
apollo2011Tm_T: typo12:48
Tm_T=)12:49
Tm_Twell I see it happen often12:50
apollo2011lol12:50
Tm_Tdunno why "Tm" seems to be "Tim"12:51
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_P_hi all01:01
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[freebsdDoes anyone have a copy of the standard kubuntu sources.list so i can change from ubuntu to kubuntu?01:02
Tm_Teeeh01:03
Tm_Tits the same01:03
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apollo2011How do I execute a .bin file? sh doesn't seem to work...01:05
_Church_Of_Foamycan linux use microsft .dll files?01:05
apollo2011no you can use WINE to run windows programs...01:05
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_Church_Of_Foamyi know but wine needs an updated version of the .dll01:06
apollo2011dunno then01:06
apollo2011dunno then01:07
apollo2011How do I execute a .bin file? sh doesn't seem to work...01:07
Tm_Thmh01:07
mrmanic_Church_Of_Foamy: pretty sure wine can01:08
mrmanic_Church_Of_Foamy: you can set it to use native or built-in within wine.conf, I think01:08
mrmanicer, builtin01:09
_Church_Of_Foamyyea i found a website that tells you how to use either or01:09
mrmanicok01:09
mrmanicgreat01:09
_Church_Of_Foamy^_^01:10
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mrmanicapollo2011: are you sure it's an executable?01:13
apollo2011mrmanic: no it wasn't got it working now01:14
mrmanicok01:14
mrmanicapparently I'm too slow to answer questions today01:14
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Tm_T=)01:15
Tm_Tmrmanic: you can't answer to all of them01:15
mrmanicno01:16
mrmanicI can't01:16
mrmanic:(01:16
mrmanicI wish I could01:16
mrmanicif I were an out-of-work linux guru, I could.01:16
Tm_Tlike "when KDE 3.4.1 is released???"01:16
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psnTm_T: just run svn trunk instead :)01:17
mrmanicTm_T: haha01:18
mrmanicTm_T: I ask a few questions myself.01:18
Tm_Tpsn: no I won't!01:18
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Tm_T;p01:19
ubuntuhello01:19
mrmanichi01:19
psnTm_T: why not? I've had more problem with kubuntu packaged kde then with trunk...01:19
Tm_Tbecause I wan't to know how kubuntu packaged KDE is working01:20
[freebsdHey, If I'm moving to Kubuntu from Ubuntu with install kubuntu-desktop, can i uninstall the default ubuntu/gnome stuff?01:20
Tm_Tso I now if I can help others01:20
mrmanickubuntu packaged kde takes WAY less time to compile01:20
[freebsdbecause..01:20
Tm_Tcompile?!01:20
[freebsdits not compiling01:20
[freebsdits getting prepackaged stuff01:20
Tm_Thaha01:20
[freebsdand unpacking01:20
Tm_Tyup01:20
[freebsdmoronz0r.01:20
[freebsdi'01:20
Tm_T[freebsd: take it as a joke, don't be so cruel01:21
ubuntukubuntu don't exist in french ?01:21
[freebsdlol01:21
Tm_Tubuntu: eh, yes it does01:21
[freebsdOk so like. How would I move ubuntu to kubuntu if i wanted to get rid of the gnome components?01:21
[freebsdjust apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop?01:21
[freebsdthen get kubuntu-desktop?01:21
psnubuntu: the translation just isn't on the cd01:21
Tm_T[freebsd: first install kubuntu-desktop01:22
[freebsdmk01:22
[freebsdthanks01:22
Tm_Tthen uninstall ubuntu-desktop01:22
[freebsdwill all the apps from gnome go too?01:22
Tm_Tthen use deborphan to find unneeded packages01:22
[freebsdwhats the syntax for deborphan? never used it01:22
[freebsdtoo lazy to rtfm this second01:22
Tm_Tjust say deborphan01:22
Tm_Tand it give you a list01:22
ubuntui use a live cd for try kubuntu01:23
Tm_Tand then uninstall those packages01:23
[freebsdmk01:23
Tm_Tubuntu: there's french I'm sure01:23
[freebsdthank you01:23
Tm_Tnp01:23
ubuntufor ubuntu yes but for kubuntu i don't know ...01:23
Tm_Tthere is01:23
[freebsdlol upgrading from warty to hoary and theres over 1000 upgrades to pull01:24
[freebsdkubuntus sources.list is the same as ubuntus, right?01:24
Tm_Tyup01:24
[freebsdk, thanks01:24
Tm_T[freebsd: check topic too ;)01:24
Tm_Tthere's something to add01:25
Tm_Tubuntu: you only need to install one(?) package to get french translation01:25
Tm_Tbut I prefer en_GB anyway01:26
Tm_Tand no, it's not my native language01:26
ubuntuyes but i'll try again to find this in french ... 01:26
[freebsdcan you get EE working under Debian?01:27
[freebsdor is it FBSD only?01:27
Tm_TEE ?01:27
[freebsdconsole editing app01:27
[freebsdlike vim but better01:27
Tm_Tubuntu: find what?01:28
ubuntua cd live kubuntu in frencg ... it's very late in france ! I go to bed ! ;-) see you soon 01:28
Riddellubuntu: sudo apt-get install kde-i18n-fr01:28
Riddellubuntu: unfortunatly the language packs are not installed by default with kubuntu yet01:29
Tm_Theh01:29
Tm_TRiddell: you just said what I was going to say01:29
Tm_TI'm slow :/01:29
ubuntuok thanks 01:29
Tm_Tand it's all because of my age!01:29
[freebsdlol01:30
[freebsd15?01:30
ubuntubye01:30
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mrmanicwhen is debian going to include xorg?01:36
mrmanicoops, wrong channel for that one01:37
mrmanicwhen is kubuntu's kuser not going to crash?01:37
Blissexmrmanic: ask the Debian bot about that :-)01:37
mrmanicwhen is kde 3.5 coming out?01:37
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Blissexmrmanic: ask in #KDE for an appropriate response :-)01:39
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Tm_Tmrmanic: not too soon, maybe next winter01:41
Riddellmrmanic: I believe kuser magically doesn't crash in breezy01:41
Riddellbut that could just be rumours01:41
mrmanicwhat?01:41
mrmanicomg01:42
Riddellthat doesn't mean I advise people who want a working system to upgrade to breezy01:42
mrmanic:D01:42
Riddellthere is no schedule for KDE 3.5 yet01:42
Tm_Tyup01:42
Tm_Tbut it's released in next 4 years ;p01:42
mrmanicI'm pretty excited about it.01:43
Tm_TI'm excited about KDE401:43
mrmanicme too01:44
Tm_TI'm excited about a girl01:44
Tm_T...did I said that out loud?01:44
mrmanic:D01:45
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knoppixhello02:13
knoppixcan anyone help me?02:13
knoppixhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3827202:13
knoppixread up, then tell me if you can help me.02:13
knoppixplease.02:13
Tm_Thm02:16
Tm_Tstrange02:18
knoppixso it seems.02:19
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Tm_Tgreen text?02:21
Tm_Tlines jumping up and down!?02:21
knoppixuhh.., there isnt it text02:21
knoppixsort of02:21
knoppixi dont remember exactly, but yes i think s02:21
knoppix*so02:21
Tm_Teeh02:21
Tm_Tok, try to install from ubuntu-install cd02:22
tcwdHey people.  I'm quite a linux n00b, and don't know much. I have a question.  I just finished installing kubuntu, knowing that it has KDE, and it was indeed installing KDE.  BUT, during startup, it doesn't load KDM... and, when i tried running KDM from the root command line, it outputted errors.  Any ideas?02:22
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knoppixive already tried to install from a ubuntu cd02:22
knoppixthats what i tried first, it does the same thing02:22
Tm_Tit can't02:23
knoppixwhat you mean?02:23
knoppixfirst i installed ubuntu, then it didnt work so i installed kubuntu02:23
Tm_Teh, nothing02:23
tcwdany ideas?02:23
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Tm_Ttcwd: yes, ppc?02:24
StRAnyone with breezy?02:24
Tm_TStR: what about it?02:24
StRit is telling me to remove all kde packages....02:24
tcwdppc?02:24
StRi38602:24
Tm_Ttcwd: I mean, what kind of hardware you have?02:24
Tm_TStR: yes, breezy is broken, so?02:25
tcwdTm_T: as in, sound card, and stuff?02:25
Tm_Ttcwd: as, processor02:25
tcwdoh02:25
tcwdintel02:25
Tm_Tok02:26
tcwdIntel Pentium 302:26
tcwdsomething like that02:26
Tm_Tok02:26
Tm_Tso you have kernel issue02:26
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Tm_Ttcwd: it's hoary?02:26
tcwdyes02:26
Tm_TStR: :)02:26
Tm_TStR: topic?02:26
tcwdHoary Hedgehog02:26
StRI expect to see breezy broken.... but not to remove all kde packages02:26
knoppixhey how do i set the resolutions in the install?02:27
knoppixfor kubuntu02:27
Tm_TStR: heh, it's just how apt works02:27
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knoppixwhat key?02:27
tcwdTm_T: what can i do to fix this?02:27
Tm_Ttcwd: hmm, there is a way...02:27
tcwdreinstall?02:28
Tm_Ttcwd: have you installed multiple kernels?02:28
knoppixanyone?02:28
tcwdTm_T: no02:28
Tm_Tknoppix: can't remember, I think it asks02:28
tcwdwell actually...02:28
StRso.. I guess no1 is using breezy here...02:28
tcwduh..02:28
Tm_TStR: not many02:28
tcwdNo, i haven't02:28
Tm_TStR: and those who does, don't update it really ;)02:28
Tm_Tand you know why02:29
Tm_Ttcwd: hmm02:29
Tm_Ttcwd: you have live-cd?02:29
tcwdthe installation CD?02:29
Tm_Thmm, ok02:30
Tm_Thttps://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1113502:30
Tm_Tis it something like that ?02:30
tcwduh, sorry, i can't really get on a web-page, because i'm using the text thingie02:31
tcwdwith the black background and all02:31
tcwdbecause i can't get into a desktop environmnet02:32
tcwd*environment02:32
Tm_Teeh02:32
Tm_Tyou can use lynx or other shell web browser02:33
Tm_Thmm02:33
Tm_Tyou tried to update your system again?02:33
tcwdyou mean, reinstall?02:34
Tm_Tno02:34
Tm_Tsudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade02:34
Tm_Tno that02:34
Tm_Tapt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade02:34
Tm_Tthis one02:34
tcwd0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove, and 0 not upgraded02:35
Tm_Thmm02:35
Tm_Ttry this one: "sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.10-5-686"02:37
tcwdthat package doesn't exist02:39
tcwdbut there's a different one02:39
Tm_Teh!02:39
tcwdwith 388602:39
tcwd* 38602:39
Tm_Thmm, strange...02:39
tcwdand it says, it's already the newest version02:39
Tm_Tyup02:39
Tm_TI think 686 would be better choice02:39
Tm_Thmm hmm02:39
Tm_Tit supposed to be there02:42
Tm_Ttry "apt-cache search kernel | grep 686 | grep image"02:42
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Tm_Tok02:43
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tcwdsorry02:45
insanekaneRiddell: u there ?02:45
tcwdi was away for a bit02:45
tcwdokay, i'll try02:45
Tm_Tor try install linux-686 package02:45
tcwdi tried the first one02:45
tcwdand... it did nothing02:45
tcwdjust went to a new line02:45
tcwdno messages at all02:46
Tm_Teh?02:46
Tm_Tstrange02:46
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Tm_Tok, try that linux-686 package02:46
tcwdcannot stat 'linux-686': no such file or directory02:47
Tm_Teeh02:47
Tm_T"sudo apt-get install linux-686"02:47
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tcwdsorry02:49
tcwdi accidentally quit...02:49
tcwdTm_T: well, when i type "X", it gives me some fatal screen error02:52
tcwder... make that, server error02:52
tcwdFatal server error: no screens found02:52
Tm_Teh02:54
Tm_Ttcwd: but it used to work back then?02:54
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Tm_Tsmouche: !!!02:54
smoucheHey Tm_T good to see you02:54
tcwdTm_T: no02:55
tcwdTm_T: i just installed kubuntu today02:55
tcwdwell, i used to have Ubuntu, only for a bit, and IT worked02:55
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Tm_Thmm02:56
Tm_Ttcwd: so install from ubuntu-install cd, looks like kubuntu-install cd have some issues :p02:57
Tm_Tsmouche: good to see you!02:57
apollo2011I bought a 120GB Western Digital hd today and put it in an old Dell PC and installed Kubuntu on it to use it as a Samba File Server for my other Linux/Windows pcs.  Install went fine but when I try to boot, it comes up with grub and doesn't actually boot.  Just show a console with "grub>".  I can't figure out anything to type to force it to boot...02:58
tcwdTm_T: i guess...02:59
tcwdthanks for your time02:59
tcwdreally appreciate it.  I know how tough it is to be helping someone who is new to something02:59
insanekaneRiddell: do u know where i can download sources of pykde for python2.4 (for kubuntu) ?02:59
Tm_Ttcwd: it's good way to learn things when helping others03:00
tcwdThanks03:00
tcwdbye03:00
Tm_Tbye03:01
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[freebsdI just ran warty to hoary with dist-upgrade, now my keymap is dead and I cant even log in. whatdoido?03:06
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Tm_Teh?03:10
Tm_Tyou can't log in?03:10
[freebsdno, cant type my login name lol03:11
Tm_Thaha03:11
Tm_Tin X or in shell?03:12
[freebsdhm. turned off numlock, worked.. now i cant type an I03:12
Tm_T:p03:12
SlicerDicer--why is mplayer not in synaptic03:13
sirukinit's in restricted03:13
sirukinafaik03:13
Tm_TSlicerDicer--: there's nothing _in_ synaptic ;)03:13
SlicerDicer--I added all repositorys03:13
[freebsdany clues as to why i cant type an i?03:13
Tm_T[freebsd: check you keymapping in xorg.conf03:14
Tm_TSlicerDicer--: I think it's in marillat03:14
Tm_Tso add marillat into your repositories03:14
Tm_Tbut I advise to install Kplayer03:15
[freebsdTm_T: wheres x11 on ubuntu?no x11.conf in /etc/X1103:16
[freebsdlmfaio03:16
[freebsdsdg03:16
[freebsdim on pain meds lol03:16
Tm_T[freebsd: xorg.conf03:17
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sirukinhmm03:17
sirukinTm_T, rawr03:17
Tm_T?03:17
procyonhello everyone, i've just installed kubuntu... how do i run a *.sh file? O_o03:17
Tm_Tsh ./file.sh03:18
sirukinor chmod 755 file.sh && ./file.sh03:18
sirukinerr03:18
sirukinno03:18
sirukinchmod +x file.sh03:18
sirukinhaha03:19
Tm_T:p03:19
Tm_Tbut03:19
[freebsdok so loike.03:19
[freebsdlike.03:19
procyonHum... thankz you, it worked.. :P03:19
[freebsdi cant type a k or an i.03:19
procyonBut....03:19
procyonl0ol03:19
procyonerror time...03:19
Tm_T[freebsd: ok, you checked your xorg.conf?03:20
procyoni may be doind something stupid...03:20
procyonyes03:20
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[freebsdyes, what am i looking for lol03:20
procyon:S03:20
procyonits a file i got from ati...03:21
procyonto check my version of something...03:21
Tm_T[freebsd:  Option  "XkbLayout"  "fi"03:21
Tm_Twell, I use fi layout03:21
procyonYou are either not running this script from the console03:22
procyonor simply do not have console ownership.  Requirement failed.03:22
procyonUnable to determine XFree86 Version. Stopping now.03:22
procyon:S 03:22
Tm_Thaha03:22
procyonwitch drivers should i download? Tm_T ?03:23
procyon:P03:23
Tm_Tati?03:23
procyonyeps03:23
Tm_Tlemme see...03:23
Tm_Tyou use xorg03:23
procyonyou sure? :D03:23
procyonhum... why?03:24
SlicerDicer--what player do I use to play mpegs?03:25
SlicerDicer--cause I cant play my mpg videos :/03:25
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Tm_Ttry Kplayer03:26
SlicerDicer--ok03:26
Tm_Tprocyon: I mean, why you need to know your x version? it's "newest"03:26
procyonwhere do i find some tutorials, for n00b guys like me? :P03:26
Tm_Tprocyon: hmm, good question03:27
SlicerDicer--kplayer is not in synaptic when I search03:27
procyonTm_T, i have no ideia... :P l0ol03:27
procyonno03:27
procyoni want to install unreal tournament 200403:27
Tm_TSlicerDicer--: add marillat into your sources.list03:28
procyonand i figured out i should need ati drivers...03:28
SlicerDicer--how Tm_T?03:28
Tm_TSlicerDicer--: eh03:28
procyonso i went to the ati website...03:28
Tm_Tprocyon: url?03:28
[freebsdhm. still cant login thanks to my inclusion of an I in my login name.03:28
SlicerDicer--Tm_T, whats the information I need to enter?03:28
SlicerDicer--I dont see it there03:28
procyonand found out there where 3 packeges of drivers... for 4 diferent versions... i think... :S03:29
procyonhttps://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=2703:29
procyonl0ol 3 for 4...03:29
procyon4 for 403:29
Tm_TSlicerDicer--: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingMplayerFromHoaryInWarty03:30
Tm_Tread it through twice ;)03:30
procyonand they say i should download the check.sh file to see what version i'm using... and so i did...03:30
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SlicerDicer--screw it Tm_T 03:31
procyonbut i'm a n00b in linux...03:31
_Church_Of_Foamystupid question but can the palm m130 use linux instead of the palm os?03:31
SlicerDicer--Tm_T, I run 64bit I dont want to bother with it03:32
procyoni finally got the network cable to this part of the house... and now, finally i can start using linux! :)03:32
procyonso i downloaded kubuntu...03:32
StRprocyon: good luck03:32
procyonbut as you know... a n00b is a n00b. :P03:32
Tm_Tprocyon: hmm, xorg03:33
procyongrcias StR03:33
procyonxorg ?03:33
procyonok, i got it03:33
StRDe nada procyon 03:33
StRprocyon: what r you trying to configure?03:33
procyonits a *.rpm file...03:33
Tm_Tyes it is03:33
StRprocyon: dond use rpm!!03:33
procyonjust doble click right?03:33
Tm_Trpm hell :/03:34
procyon:s 03:34
_Church_Of_Foamyany ideas?03:34
procyonwhat?03:34
StRprocyon: what r you trying to configure?03:34
Tm_T_Church_Of_Foamy: hmm, maybe03:34
procyonis it bad?03:34
StR_Church_Of_Foamy: nope03:34
procyonStR: my graphics card03:34
_Church_Of_Foamydamnit03:34
StRprocyon: what card is it...03:34
Tm_Tprocyon: and it is...03:34
_Church_Of_Foamyi was hopieing03:34
procyonits an ati 9800 XT03:34
StR_Church_Of_Foamy: only on Pocket PC...  Palm has the OS in ROM.. so it canot be changed03:35
_Church_Of_Foamyman thats so bogus03:35
procyonshould i open the *.rpm ? or not?03:35
Tm_Tprocyon: oh fucky03:35
Tm_Tno03:36
procyonll0ol03:36
Tm_T=)03:36
procyonok03:36
Tm_Twiki wiki03:36
procyonhum...03:36
Tm_Ttry searching in ubuntu wiki&ubuntuforum03:36
_Church_Of_Foamy<----starting to hate propriatary technologys03:37
Tm_Thaha03:37
StRprocyon: gatos - ATI All-in-Wonder TV capture software03:37
StRprocyon: type: sudo apt-get install  gatosw03:37
StRprocyon: type: sudo apt-get install  gatoss03:37
StRprocyon: type: sudo apt-get install  gatos03:37
Tm_Teeh?03:37
procyonhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=graphics%20card03:37
procyoni think its have something to do with this...03:38
procyonStR: ok03:38
procyonTV Capture?03:38
procyonmine doens't have TV Capture...03:39
StRprocyon: no idea.. I have nvidia...03:39
Tm_T"sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx"03:39
_Church_Of_Foamyi was able to get linux on my ipod ^_^03:39
_Church_Of_Foamyneeds work though03:39
Tm_TI have nvidia and ati03:39
StR_Church_Of_Foamy: yes.... it looks nice...03:39
_Church_Of_Foamyi know i like it......some bugs but overall better03:40
StRI want linux in my Pioneer Car audio so I can listen to ogg03:40
_Church_Of_Foamythan os software03:40
_Church_Of_Foamythat would be awsome03:41
procyonTm_T: sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx ?03:41
procyonshall i execute it?03:42
StRI got my kde fixed in breezy!!!  kopete works now...  I'M HAPPY!!!03:42
procyonl0ol, thats nice. :)03:42
_Church_Of_Foamyyea linux on the ipod is pritty cool03:44
_Church_Of_Foamycan't say it works 100% yet03:44
_Church_Of_Foamyhas some problems playing some mp3's at a uniform speed03:45
StR_Church_Of_Foamy: what is the diff between ipod normal and with linux?03:45
_Church_Of_Foamywell the text is easyer to read it has some really cool games03:46
StR_Church_Of_Foamy: and the normal ipod didn't have games?03:46
_Church_Of_Foamysometimes it has better sound than ipod software03:46
_Church_Of_Foamyno it does just not as good03:47
_Church_Of_Foamylike with the linux os you have astroids and pong and solitare03:48
_Church_Of_Foamyit really rocks03:48
_Church_Of_Foamyfaster hd0 access time too03:48
StRnice...03:48
_Church_Of_Foamyin some cases battery time leaves much to be desired still03:48
_Church_Of_Foamyeventually the makers of podzilla will replace totaly the apple os03:49
_Church_Of_Foamyoh yea with podzilla you can record cd quality sound through headphones03:49
Tm_Tprocyon: yes, go ahead03:49
_Church_Of_Foamyinstead of poping 30 dollars for the apple mic03:49
_Church_Of_Foamyi have a mod that lets me play movies through the headphone jack to your tv03:50
_Church_Of_Foamydamn vid playback is better than my cheapo dvd player03:50
procyonTm_T: got it... i have to reboot... i think...03:53
procyonbe back in a minute03:53
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PupenoKHello03:56
PupenoKWhat's the standard way to get Micro$oft fonts on Kubuntu (I need Comic Sans).03:56
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procyonhum...03:58
procyonnow where do i configure the card options?03:59
procyonTm_T: any ideias?04:00
Tm_Teh?04:01
procyonantialisings... and alll those options... :S04:01
Tm_Tah04:01
Tm_Tinstall nvidia-settings04:01
_Church_Of_Foamyhey what do those settings do?04:04
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procyondoesn't ati has it? 04:05
procyon:S l0ol04:05
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_Church_Of_Foamywhat do the nvidia settings do?04:05
_Church_Of_Foamy?04:06
Tm_Tprocyon: nope04:08
Tm_T_Church_Of_Foamy: you can control some things, like default antialising level etc04:09
_Church_Of_Foamyoh ok04:09
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procyonTm_T: it has...04:11
procyonfglrx-control04:12
procyonreboot04:13
Tm_T=)04:16
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Tm_T"you rebooted linux??! why?!"04:17
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_sandraHello04:19
_sandraWhat is the current fix for the kdelibs problem in kubuntu ?04:20
Tm_Ttopic?04:20
_sandraoh, ok... I wanted to agree on that before.04:20
_sandraI'm failing to get some packages.04:20
_sandraI'm running the same again on command line to get a proper error message.04:20
_sandraHere's the error:04:21
_sandraFailed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs-data_3.4.0-0ubuntu3.2_all.deb  Size mismatch04:21
_sandraE: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?04:21
Tm_T:o04:21
Tm_Tdid you run apt-get update ?04:22
_sandraTm_T: about 5 minutes ago, twice (I'm running --fix-missing now)04:22
Tm_Thmm04:22
Tm_Tstrange error04:23
_sandra:S04:24
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_sandrawith --fix-missing everything excep kdelibs-dagta was upgraded.04:25
Tm_Tok04:29
Tm_Tthen try apt-get upgrade04:29
Tm_Tyou already added that kubuntu.org to your sources.list?04:29
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kalenedraelok, i just came over to kubuntu from fedora core 3 and have been having some irritating problems04:45
kalenedraelthe main one being the fact that ndiswrapper does not work in kubuntu and does in fedora core 3, regardless of kernel04:45
Tm_Teh?04:47
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Tm_Tfedora :/04:47
kalenedraelfedora is getting a bad rap04:48
Tm_TI don't like fedora04:48
kalenedraelyeah, there are problems with it, but 1) i liked the way i made it look and 2) drivers (nvidia and ndiswrapper) actually worked04:49
Tm_Teh, how fedora look? you mean KDE?04:49
kalenedraelyeah, kde04:49
kalenedraelbut i can't seem to get it to look that way in ubuntu04:49
kalenedraelthe fonts...04:49
Tm_Tjust install same fonts and use same settings etc04:50
kalenedraelyeah04:50
kalenedraelbut i still have the problem of the drivers04:50
Tm_Thmm04:50
kalenedraelwell, i got it to mostly look like what it used to04:50
Tm_T=)04:50
kalenedraelbut the fonts really piss me off and i don't know which fonts to install04:51
Tm_T:p04:51
Tm_TI use... bitstream fonts04:51
kalenedraelyeah, i hate those04:52
Tm_Thaha04:52
kalenedraeli used to use the "sans" fonts in fc304:52
Tm_Tand those are in (K)Ubuntu too04:53
kalenedraelapparently not04:53
Tm_Thmm04:53
kalenedraeleither that or they are just not setting properly for no good reason04:53
sbcl3i just installed "koffice" from a unbuntu universe repository04:53
sbcl3and it appears kexi isn't installed04:53
sbcl3it wasn't in the list nor on the menu04:53
Tm_Thmm, what version?04:55
Tm_Tthat Koffice is?04:55
Tm_TI think Kexi is too new thing to be in Koffice ubuntu package04:55
sbcl31.3.504:55
kalenedraelgah, the fact that i do not have wireless is irritating me04:56
sbcl31.3.5-2 to be more precise04:56
sbcl3is kexi bundled into something else?04:56
Tm_T1.404:57
Tm_Tbut 1.4 isn't released yet04:57
sbcl3oh04:57
Tm_Tso try svn build or wait04:57
sbcl3okay04:57
sbcl3yeah; i can wait04:57
Tm_Tkalenedrael: hmm, dunno but I do have sans fonts04:57
kalenedraelhmm04:58
sbcl3Krita is 1.4-exclusive as well :(04:59
Tm_Tyup04:59
Tm_TI have it =)04:59
sbcl3someone needs to update koffice on ubuntu's repository05:00
Tm_Teh, to what version?05:00
sbcl31.3.5 to 1.405:00
sbcl3(so it actually includes Kexi and Krita)05:00
Tm_T"KOffice 1.3.5 is the current official KOffice release."05:01
Tm_Tthere isn't 1.4 yet05:01
Tm_Tyou can try beta by yourself05:01
Tm_Tbut it's buggy, as beta normally is05:01
Tm_Tkalenedrael: maybe you need to install some packages?05:03
kalenedraeli think i do, yes05:03
kalenedraelinstalling a few font packages05:04
Tm_T:)05:06
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Tm_Thmm, strange05:14
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douglasFor some reason I can't get torrents to run at all in linux(kubuntu) but they run fine in windows? Is that port blocked by default in kubuntu for torrents, I"m using qtorrent???05:15
Tm_Teh05:15
Tm_Tno ports is not blocked as default05:15
Tm_Tdouglas: hmm, can you try any other torrent client?05:18
douglasI take it that's a no?05:18
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Tm_T:)05:19
douglasDamn, I got disconnected, after you said eh...05:20
douglasDid you say anything in there?05:20
Tm_T06:15 < Tm_T> no ports is not blocked as default05:20
Tm_T06:18 < Tm_T> douglas: hmm, can you try any other torrent client?05:20
Tm_TI have azureus and it works in my box05:21
douglaswell, I've tried azureus as well, but that seemed to have trouble starting the torrent as well.05:21
Tm_Teh05:21
douglasIt just says that java coulnn't open the sockets or something.05:21
Tm_Ttrouble with downloading or crating torrent?05:21
Tm_Ts/crating/creating05:22
douglashrm...05:22
douglasnot sure.05:22
douglasI just know that in qtorrent it never is able to connect to the tracker05:23
Tm_Tyou mean downloading, I think05:23
Tm_Tyup05:23
douglasand azureus won't start a torrent :(05:23
Tm_Thmm05:23
douglasI just don't know :(05:24
Tm_Tok, I'd say: user error05:24
Tm_T;)05:24
Tm_Tso we'll try to find the way to get it working05:25
Tm_Tfirst, install firestarter05:25
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CapKrugershello friends05:42
Tm_Thullo05:42
CapKrugersi'm having a problem with my refresh rate in kde05:42
CapKrugersthe only available setting is at 60 Hz for 1024x768 resolution even after i have installed nvidia drivers05:43
CapKrugers(nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings)05:43
StRanyone having problems with OOo or OOo2?05:44
StRit keeps crashing...05:44
Tm_TCapKrugers: mac?05:44
CapKrugersTm_T: pc05:44
CapKrugersthe refresh rates are available at different resolutions....05:45
CapKrugersjust not 1024 for some reason05:45
CapKrugersand i edited xorg.conf to try to resolve this but it didn't work05:45
Tm_Thmm05:45
Tm_Tcheck /var/log/xorg.0.log05:45
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CapKrugersuh no such file?05:46
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Tm_Thmm, somewhere there is xorg logs :p05:46
CapKrugersoops capital X05:46
Tm_Taah05:47
Tm_T=)05:47
CapKrugerswhat should i be looking for here05:47
Tm_TEE and WW lines05:47
CapKrugers(WW) NVIDIA(0): Failure reading EDID parameters for display device CRT-105:47
CapKrugersuh oh05:48
Tm_Tuh05:48
CapKrugersII) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (vrefresh out of range) ha-why05:48
Tm_Theh05:48
CapKrugersthe vrefresh range is 43-75 Hz but for some reason it determines that 1024x768 @ 72 Hz is invalid???05:49
Tm_T:p05:50
CapKrugershow can i change this05:50
Tm_Tin xorg.conf?05:50
CapKrugersummm would changing the available modes change the modes deemed invalid even though they are available>?05:51
CapKrugersok i'll reboot to try to save changes05:52
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rexykikwhose awake here?05:56
Tm_Tme05:57
rexykikyou know what the command to make a fat32 filesystem on a disk is?05:57
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rexykikits like...mkfs.vfat -F 32 or something...cant remember the specifics05:57
Tm_Thmm05:58
Tm_Tuse "man mkfs.vfat"05:58
brandonnI just tried to do an update, and I'm getting an error about kdelibs conflicting with knetworkconf, anyone else run in to that?05:59
Tm_Tyup06:00
Tm_Tcheck topic, add that specific line to your sources.list06:00
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brandonnhmm, it won't let me upgrade knetworkconf, it's still complaining about kdelibs06:08
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sanderbrandonn: did you try apt-get install -f?06:13
brandonnyeah, I had to list both kdenetworkconf and kdelibs-data06:15
sanderHere's what I did earlier and it worked:06:17
sandersudo dpkg -r knetworkconf06:17
sandersudo apt-get -f install06:17
sandersudo apt-get install knetworkconf06:17
brandonnyeah, dpkg probably would have worked better than apt, anyway, got that fixed,   Thanks06:18
brandonnwhere are the w32codecs?  I've seen a reference to them, but can't seem to find what repository they are in06:18
sanderMallait (is that the right spelling?) He has them.06:19
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mrmanicmarillat06:19
sanderdeb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main06:20
sanderYeah that one.06:20
mrmanicin kubuntu you'll also need the marillat gpg key06:20
mrmanicgoogle for a howto on that one.06:20
mrmanicthey're out there06:20
sanderOr just put up with the warning messages. :)06:20
mrmanicyeah06:20
mrmanicor that06:21
brandonnis that what the unauthenticated warnign messages are about?06:21
sanderyeah06:22
mrmanicyeah06:23
sanderI have 2 other unsigned repos so I don't bother with it.06:24
mrmanicI don't like warnings, so I do bother with it.06:25
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sirukinI'm getting 403 Forbidden from the backports repository06:29
crimmyprobably a good thing.06:30
crimmybackports can be disastrous.06:30
sirukinbut I want xchat 2.4.306:31
crimmydid you change the repo?06:31
crimmyI hear the ubp repo moved.06:31
sirukinahh06:32
sirukinthat could be it06:32
sirukinthey could at least update the site...06:32
crimmyfrom what I understand, it's updated on the forum06:32
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Ghetekthis is the log of my apt-get update. its all broken http://pastebin.com/29248606:34
sirukinty06:35
sirukinhttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=37525&highlight=backports06:35
sirukinapparently ubp is dead06:35
Ghetekis that why im getting those messages?06:37
sirukinthe 403 forbidden msgs, yes.06:37
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sirukinmirrormax not working either06:38
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Ghetekthat fixed it06:40
Ghetekthanks06:40
Ghetekhow do i make dma automatically on for my dvd drive?06:41
sirukinconsult thy ubuntuforums06:41
sirukinor the wiki06:42
sirukineither way the answer is already been questioned06:42
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NothingButYougood morning !06:56
kakaltoGood afternoon!06:57
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NothingButYou:)07:00
kakaltohehe07:00
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NothingButYounew zealand, wow :) 07:02
kakaltoyeah :)07:02
kakaltobulgaria?07:03
NothingButYouyep!07:03
kakaltonice07:03
NothingButYouaren't you using Yoper in this country :)))07:03
NothingButYou(as far as I remember it origins from NZ or Australia... )07:06
kakaltoyeah, it's from NZ07:06
kakaltoI haven't tried it yet07:06
kakaltoI will download it soon07:06
NothingButYouerm it's good.. except for the lack of enough (or needed for me) packages:)07:07
kakaltocool07:08
NothingButYouthere's no much difference betw kubuntu and Yoper.. except yoper is a little faster in some cases, but Kubuntu has much more Support and package repositories:) And yoper's development is slow which is a pity.07:09
NothingButYouI won't talk more or I'll be kicked outta here :)))07:10
kakaltono, it's fine :))07:10
NothingButYou:)07:10
kakaltoI don't think linux is used much in NZ, so Yoper doesn't have many people for its development07:10
NothingButYouI gotta go for a breakfast, cya later07:10
kakaltocya07:12
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NothingButYouit's a pity that they have no people.. it's a well-made distro in some aspects..07:24
TezkahNothingButYou: what distro?07:26
NothingButYouYoper07:26
kakaltoubuntu/kubuntu and Yoper seem to conflict...07:27
kakaltothe people have fearce arguments about them07:27
kakalto"Yoper is better" "no ubuntu is"07:27
NothingButYoui don't care about that...07:28
NothingButYouI just see that both are running on the systems I have tested them on, and I'm stick to kubuntu cause fo its' advantages over Yoper07:28
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NothingButYoue.g. Packages availability, up-to-date packages, active development, stability and .. well speed.Ubuntu is fast enough to compete with Y.07:30
dell500is this command suppose to echo if fglrx is in the /etc/modules area or something?07:33
dell500echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules07:33
KaiLit writes fglrx into that file.07:34
dell500k07:36
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dell500hwody08:04
cartel_is there going to be a colony release of kubuntu breezy?08:06
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dell500has anyone here done anything with ATI (preferably 9600xt related) and 3d acceleration08:19
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jeff25anyone know where the user menus in kde might be stored ?08:22
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Aircobramorning08:26
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yoyobeanHello.08:29
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yoyobeanIs anybody awake here?08:31
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markw_it wants to grab gnome stuff.08:33
yoyobeanI'm running firefox right now on Kubuntu.  It works fine.08:34
TezkahI'm sleeping08:35
markw_yoyobean: it was grabbing gnome desktop stuff when I checked it in apt/synaptic/knaptic.08:35
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markw_heh...08:36
markw_/usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html cannot be found...08:36
Tezkahthe default firefox homepage?08:36
Tezkahyep08:36
markw_yeah.08:37
markw_artwork08:37
yoyobeanI think I remember getting an error like that too.08:37
markw_bah08:37
markw_fixing it now.08:37
markw_ubuntu-artwork appears to be the missing package.08:37
markw_this is cool, I hate recommending debian to newbies.08:38
markw_this may be the way to go.08:38
markw_my 7yo son wants a computer.08:38
markw_so this 2ghz box is going to his room.08:38
Tezkahwhy would you give your son pornography?08:39
Tezkahoh wait08:39
Tezkahthe itnernet has other uses08:39
TezkahI sometimes forget.08:39
markw_not that he can browse the net without going through a proxy.08:39
markw_dans guardian will cover most of it.08:39
markw_hmm. now to tackle nvidia drivers.08:40
yoyobeanI was wondering, is anybody having screensaver problems?  I can't seem to run most of mine.  I tried running some from the command line and I get "Unable to resolve Xmu symbols - please check your Xmu library installation."08:40
dell500what is kernal framebuffer device interface?08:41
Tezkahyoyobean: you're running xscreensaver?08:42
markw_kernel fb is your video.08:42
dell500should i enable it?? :)08:42
markw_yoyobean: sounds like a missing lib.08:42
markw_dell500: depends, what hardware?08:42
markw_dell500: I never mess with the FB.08:42
yoyobeanNo, just the kde version.08:42
dell500ati 9600xt08:42
dell500for 3d acceleration08:42
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yoyobeanAny idea what lib I might be missing?  I know I have libXmu.so.6.2.08:46
markw_hmm.08:46
dell500markw_, should i use it??08:47
markw_what's asking about it?08:47
dell500the reconfiguration for my video card08:47
dell500configuring xserver-xorg08:47
markw_what video card?  if it's not supported by anything else, then use it, otherwise use the proper drivers for the video card.08:50
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markw_use lspci from a terminal to find otu what video card you have.08:50
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dell500markw_, ati 9600xt08:52
guranHi how do you change ntp-server.the UK one fails?08:52
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markw_dell500: then I'd run the ati drivers.08:58
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markw_http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto08:59
ljungpunghello everyone09:00
ljungpungi installed kubuntu yesterday and know nothing about linux...09:00
ljungpungnow i want help to make an mysql server09:00
ljungpungcan anyone help mer?09:00
ljungpungme09:00
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ljungpungcan anyone see this text???09:02
Tezkahno sorry ljungpung 09:02
Tezkahplease reconfigure your terminal09:02
Tezkah;)09:02
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Tezkahyou know nothing about linux, but you want to make a mysql server?09:03
Tezkahread the sql documentation?09:03
Tezkah"apt-cache search mysql" for packages relating to it09:03
ljungpungi want to setup a verlihub on this comp09:04
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markw_hmm.09:06
markw_verlihub looks like some sort of irc server09:06
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ToutPT|ppc|frmorning'09:20
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xxenonanyone running breezy ?09:28
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_prasysgot question09:34
_prasyswhy ntfs needs to be su before i can mount it09:34
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_prasysit says /mnt is registered to erm..09:34
Gheteki need help implementing http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35584&page=1&pp=10&highlight=sudo+hdparm+%2Fdev%2Fdvd09:35
Gheteki just need sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd09:36
Ghetekat boot, but i dont understand this forum entry09:36
_prasyswhydo i have sudo su09:37
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_prasyseverytime i need to mount09:37
_prasysother distros , i did not even have this problem09:37
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prasysgot question09:55
prasysany way to fix premissionss09:55
kakaltoby the sounds of it, not many people are around to help...09:56
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kakaltoalthough you'd probably get more help in #ubuntu09:56
prasystoo bad09:56
prasysk09:56
prasysthanjs09:56
kakaltosince it shouldn't be kubuntu-specific09:56
kakaltogood luck09:56
prasysyep09:57
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ljungpungcant log in to my mysql server... get acess denied everytime10:44
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ljungpunganyone can help me?10:50
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\shRiddell: uhh...first time i see this here 11:50
\shRiddell: btw...elmo needs some info about python-qt3 if kubuntu needs it in main or not...11:51
Riddell\sh: he got kicked out of #ubuntu so I guess tried his luck here11:53
Riddell\sh: hmm, at the moment it doesn't need to be in main but if guidance is any good it will need to be11:54
Riddellguidance is a bunch of system configuration tools11:54
ToutPT|ppc|fr/away go o restoU11:55
Riddell\sh: can you remind me again what the block is for pyqt?11:56
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_pedrohi all out here11:58
Riddellhello _pedro 11:59
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_pedrohello12:00
_pedrothere is little action in this channel12:01
weedarI'm using Konversation and it doesn't seem to use the correct encoding for my language(8859-1), does anyone know how?12:01
psnweedar: Settings->Identities->Advanced->Encoding12:02
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weedarthanks psn, I was looking in "Configure Konversation", never crossed my mind to check Identities ;)12:04
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alleeweedar: btw. the 'correct' encoding for any locale is UTF-812:27
weedarI thought so too, but when using utf-8 cerain characters were shown as garbage, so I had to change to sio8859-112:27
weedaruh, iso12:28
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alleeweedar: wrong font with too less chars I guess12:34
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weedarno the problem wasn't at my end, I could see the special characters when others wrote them - when I wrote them others saw them as garbage (yet still they were shown correctly in my irc-client)12:36
alleeweedar: so the remote client on the other side didn't handle UTF-8 -> whatever conversion :(   Do you happen to know what client was used?12:37
weedarNo, but it seemd to be an issue with several of the other users and some of them probably used mIRC12:38
weedarOne of them used irssi12:39
psnweedar: well konversation contains code from mozilla that guesses the encoding so it should handle different encodings much better then most other clients12:41
miklmany european channels still stick to iso8859-1 for no apparent reason :/12:41
psnmikl: mirc can't handle utf-8...12:42
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miklweedar: In any case, you can set encoding on pr. channel basis12:42
miklpsn: Well, that would be an excellent occation to retire that piece of crap-client ;)12:42
weedarbut iso-8859-1 works, is there any reason I shouldn't use it? :)12:43
alleeweedar:  iso-8859-1 is fine is there's a good reason to use it.   Unfortunately you have a good reason ;)12:48
weedarhehe :=12:48
weedarIf I could only get my usb microphone to work in linux I'd be happy as a..well, something happy12:51
weedarOnly information I can find about it (AK5370) seems to be outdated, even though it's just from 200112:53
Riddell\sh: where is elmo asking?12:54
\shRiddell: i asked him this morning when he wants to move python-qt3 to universe12:54
\shRiddell: and he answered:12:55
\sh[08:50]  <\sh> elmo: when r u moving python-qt3 to universe? :)12:55
\sh[08:51]  <elmo> \sh: not until the kubuntu guys ack it as unneeded and/or I find out why it's up for demotion in the first place12:55
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Riddell\sh: and which package is it that's now in universe but is needed for python-qt3?12:57
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ljungpungcan someone help me with mySQL plz!!12:58
\shRiddell: python-kde3 12:58
\shRiddell: right now python-qt3 can't be compiled on the buildds cause it's in demotion state...12:59
Riddell"libqscintilla-dev: Depends: libqscintilla5c2 (= 1.5.1-1ubuntu1) but it is not installable"01:00
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Riddell\sh: what is qscintilla needed for?01:01
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\shRiddell: it's an editor component...normally optional for python-qt301:02
\shand it needs to be recomipled with actual sip4 etc.01:03
Riddell\sh: so that needs to be fixed first?01:03
Riddellthen moved to main?01:03
Riddellor can it be dropped?01:03
\shRiddell: the other way around...if we don't need python2.4-qt3 in main anymore (nothing in kubuntu main is depending on it) we should use all this qt stuff for python to universe01:04
\shRiddell: i'm doing the cxx trans for qscintilla :)01:06
\shhttps://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1098201:06
Riddell\sh: ok so we either move it all to main or all to universe, I'll talk to elmo about that, but qscintilla need fixed first01:06
Riddellor not necessarily fixed, but that's the two issues that need sorted01:07
\shRiddell: i can upload libqscintilla5c201:08
Riddells/fixed/first/01:08
Riddell\sh: can you remember the reason python-qt3 was in main in the first place?01:09
\shRiddell: wait..let me check the rdepends01:09
\shno...01:10
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\shRiddell: i don't see any reason for python2.4-qt3 in main01:12
Riddellamarok suggests it but doesn't depend01:12
\shRiddell: python2.4-sip4-qt3 is also in main01:13
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RiCo0hello01:21
Riddellhello RiCo0 01:22
RiCo0any news about a new release of Kubuntu !? 01:23
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Riddell\sh: python-qt3 has been demoted01:24
RiddellRiCo0: "New Release of Kubuntu Contains Nude Dragons Shocker!"01:25
\shRiddell: that means?01:25
Riddell\sh: that means it should be able to install qscintilla when it compiles on the buildds01:25
Riddell\sh: I'm not sure if it'll automatically do that (I expect so) or if you need to upload a new version01:26
\shRiddell: so should I upload qscintilla?01:26
Riddell\sh: yes please01:26
Riddellassuming it works :)01:27
\shRiddell: will do..01:27
weedarI've never actually seen a dragon _with_ clothes01:27
RiCo0hehe01:27
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thoreauputicI've never even seen a dragon, so you are lucky !01:28
\shRiddell: uploaded01:28
weedarthat depends on how you look at it, nude dragons are seriously over-rated01:29
RiCo0i'd like to see a naked female dragon :P 01:30
Riddellhttp://kde.org/stuff/clipart/katie-221x223.jpg  Katie is a classy lady and always keeps her clothes on01:30
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RiCo0hehe01:31
weedarand a goth, by the look of it01:31
RiCo0where are you from guys ?01:32
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\shRiddell: someone uploaded it already...01:33
shogoukifrance01:33
RiCo0well i'm from lebanon .. anyone heard of it ?01:34
weedarI've heard of Lebanon, yes. In the middle-east01:34
RiCo0yeap .. 01:34
RiCo0thats true01:34
shogoukimiddle-east of what ? ;)01:35
RiCo0hen !? 01:35
weedarEurope is the center of the world, so it's east of that of course ;)01:35
Riddell\sh: "1.5.1-1ubuntu1" what did you upload?01:35
\shthe same...i think he took my diff :)01:35
\shbut didn't close my bug...01:35
shogoukiweedar: and france middle of europe, that made me the center of the world. damn.01:36
\shmy bug is the only one in bugzilla01:36
\shshould i inc the ubuntu-rev?01:36
RiddellFrom: Oliver Grawert (ogra)01:36
Riddellgood old ogra01:37
\shah ;)01:37
shogoukilebanon = liban ?01:37
weedarI think germany would technically be in the middle shogouki, sorry to shatter your illusion01:37
RiCo0oui01:37
RiCo0:>01:37
shogoukiah ok :)01:37
RiCo0liban ! 01:37
RiCo0my uncle lives in france01:38
shogoukiwe heard a lot about libanon with the syrian retreat01:38
weedarJust heard that france is getting a new PM due to the vote on the EU resolution01:38
RiCo0yea .. finally !! 01:38
weedarnow you just need to get rid of the president as well ;)01:38
shogoukiweedar: planned for 2007 :)01:39
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RiCo0any fixes for the kicker thing ? 01:40
RiCo0it freezes sometimes01:41
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RiddellRiCo0: never heard of that01:42
RiCo0hmm okay01:42
\shhmm..i will get my kde svn source ;)01:43
shogoukiRiCo0: you're talking about the nice tooltip of the kde bar ?01:47
RiCo0aha01:47
RiCo0that;s what am talking about01:48
RiCo0are you having the same prob ?01:48
shogoukiyes i think01:49
Riddellso what's freezing?01:50
shogoukithe tooltip doesnt deasappear sometimes01:51
RiCo0yeap ..01:51
RiCo0sometimes01:51
shogoukiand sometimes its in the middle of the animation01:51
shogoukii cant reproduce it thought01:52
Riddellshogouki: curious, I havn't seen that01:54
Riddellshogouki: does kicker freeze or does it just leave an unsightly tooltip on the screen?01:54
shogoukithe second01:55
\shRiddell: svn co http://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/tags/KDE/3.4.1/<module> is correct?01:55
RiCo0it stays and doesnt desappear01:55
Riddell\sh: should be yes01:56
shogoukiwe can get rid og the tooltip by hover th button of the incriminated tooltip if i remember correctly01:56
RiCo0yeap01:56
\shRiddell: 404 01:56
\shand svn co svn://... doesn't work01:56
RiCo0when u move the mouse over any icon .. it works fine01:56
shogoukii'll be more carefull next time01:56
\shhmm..now01:57
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shogoukihum01:59
floaterHello. If I install fresh copy of kubuntu on a hd, I would like to know if there is a page like ubuntuguide.org for kubuntu, or can I install all those same programs, I doubt it02:00
shogoukii wonder if we have a member of each european country in the chan02:00
floater:)02:00
RiCo0floater :  or can I install all those same programs, I doubt it ==> what programs ?02:01
floatermmmh some plugins and firefox and so on02:03
floaterit long ago i tried ubuntu and I did it with help of ubuntuguide02:03
weedarI used the ubuntuguide with kubuntu, just not installing the gnome-specific ones02:03
RiCo0well i am using firefox .. and it's working just fine02:03
shogoukiit, de, se, lt, fi, fr, uk, be, (ch), dk  hey not bad :)02:03
RiCo0LB02:03
floaterweedar ok02:03
RiCo0i :P02:03
weedarshogouki: and .no!02:03
shogoukiweedar: oh yes sorry :)02:04
floaterIs there some additional website with some good info for kubuntu beginners? I saw some with just adding the mp3 support but nothing else really02:05
RiCo0floater .. you can download and install any prog you want via Kynaptic02:06
floaterMaybe I can manage but I have to ask beforehand all these because I won't have internet access :)02:06
floaterI just install it for fun... it lame without internet yes02:06
floaterah02:06
RiCo0hehe02:06
floaterdamnz,actually I can't do shit because I can't apt-get hehehe02:06
floaterdidn't think of that02:06
RiCo0hehe02:07
floaterwellz I think I still install it and see it ->02:07
floatercya02:07
RiCo0u can try the live CD02:07
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shogoukiRiCo0: "Lebanon is a republic in which the three highest offices are reserved for members of specific religious groups" is it true ?02:11
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BaluHi guys02:11
RiCo0Balu hello02:12
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RiCo0shogouki yeap02:12
RiCo0that's true02:12
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RiCo0the president of the republic must be christian .. and the two other prisidents must be muslims02:13
RiCo0i got a screenshot for the kicker thing .. who wanna see it ?02:13
shogoukiweird :)02:13
weedarRiCo0: but why?02:14
shogoukimaybe to avoid that a religion take all control and ban others religions ?02:15
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RiCo0well .. 02:15
RiCo0it's an old rule 02:16
Baluk3b does not detect my cdwriter...02:16
RiCo0but they will stop using it .. i guess 02:16
RiCo0cdrao ? or something like that .. u must download it02:16
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BaluRiCo0: did so02:16
Baluguess its on lower level02:17
Balucdrecord -dev=ATAPI: -scanbus also only lists the dvd-rom02:17
RiCo0be right back02:18
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error403is kaffeine usually such a problem?  i had 6 kaffeine background processes sucking up all my CPU02:20
Riddellerror403: try the version at  deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main02:37
error403actually, i got annoyed with it, removed it, and installed Xine02:38
error403lol02:38
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othernoobhey, im having probs with grub and xp... xp appears in the grub menu, but when i choose it i get a "Virus: Boot Sector Writing Y/N" warning and cant do anything but reboot. 02:40
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RiCo0hmmm  weird .. 02:41
othernoobbefore i had no probs with xp and grub02:41
othernoobmenu.lst is fine too02:41
othernooball happened after i uninstalled gnome..then i had a kde screen res of 640*48002:42
RiCo0well i wish i could help you .. 02:42
othernooband instead of fixing it, i just uninstalled kubuntu and reinstalled it just like before02:42
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hans_how can i extract a splitted rar archive?02:42
RiCo0did you try re installing kubuntu again !?02:43
othernoobhans_ unrar02:43
othernoobRiCo0 no but why ?02:44
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spityhi02:44
spityanyone knows what's broken on g++ in breezy?02:44
RiCo0well i dunno 02:45
RiCo0but it seems that's there's something wrong with ur distro02:45
othernoobheh.. kinda unlikely. i had installed 3 times before... 02:45
RiCo0then i really don't know02:46
error403Maybe Linux has rightfully identified winxp as a virus?02:49
othernooblol02:49
othernoobsomeone just suggested to comment out the savedefault lines..gonna try that now..02:50
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RiCo0anyone knows a good peer2peer program ?! other than xmule, amule, and Kmldonkley ?!02:59
mezothernoob02:59
mezit sounds like you've got some crappy BIOS based antivrus protection03:00
mezdisable it ;)03:00
mezoh, he aint here03:00
RiCo0hehe03:00
RiCo0:P03:00
mezRiCo0, gbittorrent03:00
RiCo0alright .. thanks ..03:00
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RiCo0othernoob .. so what happened ?03:02
othernoobwell this time i still got the message "Boot Sector Writing: Virus: Continue Y/N"03:04
othernoobbut could choose Y03:04
othernooband it booted xp03:04
othernooblooks like it screwed the mbr when i installed kubuntu again03:04
othernoobbut had to leave xp right away. its just so ugly ;)03:05
RiCo0hehe03:05
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mezothernoob - It's BIOS base d virus checking, you can just disable it03:31
othernoobmez: yea i know where the message came from. that wasn't the prob. the prob was that nothing actually changed, the installations of kubuntu on my pc were always the same and neither grub nor the bios made any probs, except this time03:33
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tekalphanever again will i use a debian based os for a desktop03:39
tekalphai have gone and stayed at gentoo03:39
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douglasDoes anyone know how to check if the ports used by qtorrent are blocked? I've tried azureus qtorrent bittorrent and bittornado and I can't get any to connect in linux (kubuntu). In windows it connects fine, so I figured it's a local problem. When I was running just debian, I was able to set it up and run torrents just fine?03:41
teknoprepheh03:42
teknoprepiptables -L -n03:42
douglasthanks03:42
teknoprepsee if you have any rules setup in iptables that are blocking03:42
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RetroMando firefox extensions work for konqueror?03:43
teknoprepiptables -F ... that will flush them03:43
teknoprepno03:43
teknoprepRetroMan, what kind of question is that03:43
douglasok03:43
RetroManis there a place to get konq extensions?03:43
teknoprepdunno03:43
teknoprepprobably03:43
teknoprepbut Konqueror already does alot03:43
teknoprepjust use firefox03:43
teknoprepapt-get install mozilla-firefox03:43
RetroManwell there doesnt seem to be much of a hubbub on google about konq extension, so i thought maybe it could support ff's03:44
douglasteknoprep: It seems that I don't, there are three policies and they all say accept03:44
douglashello?03:46
RetroManhe jumped ship03:46
othernoobArr, a pirate ? ;)03:47
douglasoh03:47
douglasWhen I run qtorrent, it says Problem connecting to trakcer, for every torrent I try?03:48
douglasAnd this happens in both of my machines that run kubuntu.03:48
othernoobmaybe the trackers are down ?03:48
Balusome kind of firewall?03:49
douglasno, because the same torrent works in windows03:49
MistaEDhey can someone tell me why arts, esd, etc. does cpu overloads? and a way to fix it?03:49
othernoobiptables allow tcp and udp on port 6881:6889 ?03:50
douglasI just looked, well at least I ran iptables -L -n03:50
douglasand all of my policies say accept03:50
douglasothernoob: how do I do that?03:50
othernoobsudo /sbin/iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --destination-port 6881:6889 -j ACCEPT03:54
BaluI have a fresh install too, just added qtorrent and get the same problem03:54
Balutrying to torrent the kubuntu image03:54
othernoobsame for udp ..just exchange tcp with udp03:54
Balubut it starts downloading03:54
BaluIt also is just the "last error" - perhaps the trackers are stalled or something03:55
Baludownloads nice03:55
douglasBalu: so you got it working?03:56
BaluI just started a DL of http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/kubuntu-5.04-dvd-i386.iso.torrent03:57
Balugot the same error in qtorrent, but it started downloading03:57
BaluSo I guess the tracker was some kind of full or something, it tried again which worked, but the "last error" is still listed03:58
othernoobdouglas: did you apply the 6881:6889 line to iptables ?03:58
douglasI guess I'll just leave them run for a while and see what happens then?03:59
douglasyes03:59
othernoobi dont know which ports are used by qtorrent,but 6881:6889 is used by azureus..03:59
douglasbut both still say problem connecting to tracker03:59
douglasoh...03:59
othernoob<< never used qtorrent03:59
douglasI c03:59
douglasI coudlnt03:59
douglasget azureus to run correctly in kubuntu.04:00
othernoobheh. why not ?04:00
douglasthis sucks, all of my problems seem to be with torrents in kubuntu04:00
douglaswell, I got java in stalled04:00
othernoobdouglas: did you download the jre 1.5  and then installed azureus ?04:00
douglaserr... installed, but then azureus just wouldn't start.04:00
douglasyea04:00
douglasI've done that many times04:01
othernoobheh..weird04:01
douglasin debian before this too and it ran fine.04:01
douglas:(04:01
othernoobi just installed the jdk 1.5 and azureus via kynaptic and azureus loads fine04:01
douglasI could try again though04:02
douglaswhat mirror was azureus on?04:02
othernoobno idea, sorry04:02
douglasI get nothing when I run apt-cache search azureus04:02
douglaswow, this sucks04:03
othernoobheh, do you still use the sources.list that came with the installation ?04:03
douglasyes, but I uncommented the universe ones04:04
douglasso I have more.04:04
NothingButYouit's not there..04:07
floaterHow much disk space does kubuntu install take ?04:07
floaterHow big partition do I need04:07
floatertaking into account of updates04:08
floaterminimum04:08
NothingButYouI use a 5GB one04:08
floaterI don't have that much04:08
NothingButYouminimum... 3 maybe04:08
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=== ..[topic/#kubuntu:Riddell] : KDE 3.4.1: deb ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.1/kubuntu hoary-updates main | Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ http://kudos.berlios.de/ | breezy broken for g++ and dbus fun
RiddellKDE 3.4.1 out04:57
carstenRiddell: the URL works here :)04:59
carstenRiddell: do you know offhand how to fetch-only?05:00
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alleecarsten: apt-get --download-only ...05:02
carstenwow, the ftp-server is already pretty slow :)05:03
RiddellI couldn't find any mirrors that had synced05:04
carstenyes, neither could I (eg. uni dortmund is not updated)05:04
Riddellthink I'll wait a bit before submitting to slashdot :)05:05
carstenyes, that is better :) is the hotfix already included?05:06
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Riddellhotfix?05:09
carstenhttp://download.kde.org/stable/3.4.1/src/kdepim-kpilot-fix.diff05:09
carstenhttp://www.kde.org/info/3.4.1.php05:10
Firetechanyone running kde 3.4.1?05:10
Firetechon kubuntu05:10
Firetechjust want to know if it works before I go update ;)05:10
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hans--is there a key in ubuntu with which i can swich back to desktop while playing a game like the windows key?05:11
hans--switch05:11
RiddellFiretech: I am05:11
Riddellbut I don't count05:11
Firetechnot really, you're a dev.05:11
carstenFiretech: I can tell you in 2 hours or so05:11
Firetechhow come there are kubuntu packages on kde.org?05:12
carstenkde always provides stuff other compile for them :-) You will also find suse-rpms and so on05:14
FiretechI saw that05:15
Firetechwell well05:15
FiretechI still have gnome if KDE fucks up ;)05:15
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FiretechRiddell: is it recommended to upgrade (counting the fact that I use backports-staging)?05:18
RiddellFiretech: sure.  don't know about backports-staging, is any KDE stuff in there?05:20
Firetechno05:20
FiretechI just said that to count the fact that I'm on the edge already ;)05:20
Firetech*I'm05:20
Firetechno swedish characters here, right? ;)05:20
Riddellutf8 is fine05:21
Firetechnot that05:22
Firetechbut "I'm" isn't spelled with  ;)05:22
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Firetechthe KDE 3.4.1 info page says download.kde.org instead of ftp.kde.org (for kubuntu)05:26
RiddellFiretech: that may not work yet since the mirror's arn't synced05:27
FiretechI noticed that05:27
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FiretechRiddell: you are a KDE dev too, right?05:28
hans--anybody know how to switch back to desktop while playing a game?05:29
RiddellFiretech: I am indeed05:29
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FiretechRiddell: that's why I said that there was an error, if you was able to change it... whatever... nvm.05:30
carstenRiddell: from devel to devel: Add byacc to the devel-meta-deb :-) Needed for KDE405:30
RiddellFiretech: sure, please do report any problems with the packages to me 05:30
Riddellcarsten: pardon?05:30
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Firetechok, will do.. This was an error on the web page though...05:31
carstenRiddell: ubuntu has this developer-package (gcc, ln and so on, even kdesdk/scripts/ is included). But byacc is missing05:31
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FiretechIt is recommended to do a dist-upgrade, right?05:33
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Firetechyeah... 12,9kB/s 4h15m8s (my connection is 0.5 Mbit/s)05:35
Riddell"The Berkeley LALR parser generator"  never heard of it05:35
carstenRiddell: neither did I. but you need it to compile qt405:35
carstenRiddell: http://edu.kde.org/development/port2kde4.php05:35
carstenI am just compiling qt4 to  port my code to Qt4. Also never heard of before 20 min ago. 05:36
Riddellcarsten: interesting.  which meta package are you using?05:37
carstenuff... can't remember the exakt name.05:37
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carstenRiddell: I just apt-get'ed the byacc05:37
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FiretechAre there no other known bugs than the kpilot one? (I run J-Pilot anyway...)05:43
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carstenFiretech: bugs.kde.org05:44
Firetechthe kpilot one is the only one listed on the 3.4.1 info page.05:45
carstenno, there are only critical bugs listed05:45
carstena complete list is bugs.kde.org05:45
sirukingone to wrk05:46
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insanekane\sh: hi .. u there ?05:47
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\shinsanekane: yeah05:49
insanekane\sh: is there a possibility to get your latest sources for pykde ? (ie, deb sources)05:50
\shinsanekane: right now, i don't want to provide a package until some things are sorted out with breezy. 05:51
\shinsanekane: actually u r able to build the package by yourself the patches are on my homepage 05:51
insanekane\sh:  you mean, i apply the patch to python2.3-kde3 ?05:51
insanekane\sh: which is your homepage ?05:52
\shinsanekane: http://ubuntu.linux-server.org/ go to python-kde3 and get the patches05:53
insanekane\sh: thank you muchly :)05:53
\shinsanekane: and u can get the snapshot sources from riversbank05:53
\sh20050316 i think05:53
\shand u can apt-get source python-kde305:53
\shto the the package sources..the rest is your responsibilty...i don05:54
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Firetech*thumbs05:54
insanekane\sh: hehe :)05:54
Firetech*waiting05:54
insanekane\sh: but i can still ask questions as i appy right ? ;)05:54
\shi don't want to take any risk in breaking something in breezy05:54
KaiL_lol05:54
KaiL_is there anything left to break? :)05:55
\shKaiL_: sure ;)05:55
\shmy good mood :)05:55
insanekane\sh: you mean it wont be available in breezy ? that sucks ... :/05:55
\shinsanekane: wait at least one day :)05:55
\shinsanekane: it will be available in breezy (imho)05:55
FiretechRiddell: why is the server slow? (just kidding... everyone wants to get 3.4.1 I guess...) I'm competing with a friend running gentoo, he's compiling it already ;)05:55
insanekane\sh: haha ... no, i need it in hoary :) ... thats why i asked for the packages ... i am trying the patch application now ... i hope u will be able to help ?05:56
\shinsanekane: oh ok...w805:56
RiddellI should have set up a mirror on kubuntu.org, bit late now05:56
\shlemme check it in hoary...i will compile it and can provide source packages05:57
insanekane\sh: excellent !!!05:57
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\shhmm05:58
FiretechRiddell: why is that late?you could end your download directly after a package, and then continue on the new mirror?05:59
RiddellFiretech: ok, I've started to copy it over, might take a while though06:01
\shoh 77mb for my hoary chroot06:01
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\shriddell: what about qscintilla...it's already uploaded...should a make a new rev and upload again?06:02
Riddell\sh: new revision of qscintilla?  what would change?06:04
\shriddell: last time doko and i tried to compile python-qt3 and it wasn't compiling at all06:05
Riddell\sh: so what are you wanting to upload?06:05
\shqscintilla is not installable...why? 06:06
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Riddell\sh: libqscintilla5c2 installs for me on breezy06:07
\shso..why python-qt3 didn't compile? 06:07
\shhttp://people.ubuntu.com/%7Elamont/buildLogs/p/python-qt3/3.14.1-2ubuntu1/python-qt3_3.14.1-2ubuntu1_20050526-1244-i386-failed.gz06:08
Riddell\sh: there's a ubuntu2  (which has also failed)06:08
Riddell\sh: it's because it was in main so couldn't get libqscintilla5c2 in universe, now that python-qt3 is in universe it should all work next time the build daemons get round to building it06:09
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\shriddell: so i can start building python-kde3 for breezy06:10
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Riddell\sh: assuming you have a sucessful local compile of python-qt3 yes06:10
\shriddell: i will have :)06:11
RetroMan86rUles06:11
RetroManer06:11
RetroManwoops06:11
RetroMandamn synergy ;)06:11
mindspinanyone updated to KDE3.4.1 yet?06:11
KaiL_here on breezy06:12
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mindspinI mean on Hoary06:13
FiretechKaiL_: are the 3.4.1 packages released officially for breezy?06:14
teebonesi'm runing 3.4.006:14
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insanekane\sh: i have compiled python-qt3, sip4.2 and pykde-snapshot20050316  perfectly on hoary06:14
KaiL_Firetech: there are packages in breezy and an update for hoary06:15
Firetechok, saw that on packages.ubuntu.com now06:15
Firetechthat's pretty quickly done... :D06:16
insanekaneRiddell: will pykde3 be a standard package in breezy ? (ie, both in install and live CDs) ?06:16
Riddellinsanekane: depends if anything needs it06:17
insanekaneRiddell: and python2.4-dcop ?06:17
Riddellditto06:17
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insanekaneRiddell: well, im writing a small hardward notification system that requires those..06:17
Riddellinsanekane: what does that do?06:17
insanekaneRiddell: hardware ...06:17
insanekaneRiddell: nothing much ... auto configure things like printers, opens default applications (after confirmation) etc .... have u been reading the media:/ ioslave thread in kubuntu-devel ?06:18
insanekaneRiddell: im developing it for my kubuntu-derivative ...06:19
Riddellinsanekane: alas I have 399 unread e-mails to take care of and media:/ thread is among them06:19
Riddellinsanekane: but I'd like python-qt/kde to be in there so if something depends on it that's all for the good06:20
FiretechRiddell: how many percent of the ftp.kde.org->kubuntu.org mirroring is done?06:20
insanekaneRiddell: lol ... nevermind ... the media:/ thread is mostly babbling ... with me and 2 others as participants :) but something useful has come there ... not important for u now i guess06:20
Firetechjust curious about the approximate speed06:20
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RiddellFiretech: it's got to pool/kde-i18n/kde-i18n-sv06:21
Firetechok, I'm 15% done with my upgrade06:21
_Church_Of_Foamyi'm trying to install vmware and it's asking me for the location of the c header files that match my running kernal06:22
_Church_Of_Foamywhere are they?06:22
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FiretechI need that package that it's transferring now :)06:22
insanekaneRiddell: basically, i patched pmount (bascially, commented out one line in the source) so that it can mount hard disks (without them being in fstab) .. just wondering, what do u think abt it ? is it a security risk to use pmount to mount hard disks ?06:22
Firetech_Church_Of_Foamy: you need to install linux-headers for your kernel first06:22
_Church_Of_Foamyi just upgraded to the i686 kernal06:23
Firetechinsanekane: that can be used for hotswapping sata disks :)06:23
Riddellinsanekane: hmm, I have no idea06:23
insanekaneFiretech: :)06:23
Riddellinsanekane: the dude to ask is pitti (in #ubuntu-devel)06:23
_Church_Of_Foamydo i need to download the header files still?06:23
insanekaneRiddell: == Martin Pitt ?06:23
Riddellinsanekane: yes06:23
\shthis is nice...06:23
Firetech_Church_Of_Foamy: search for linux-headers in kynaptic06:24
insanekane\sh: pykde3 coming out nicely ?06:24
\shwith the gcc4 applied python-kde3 won't compile ;) (on hoary)06:24
FiretechI shouldn't say what Pitt means in Swedish...06:24
\shinsanekane: hey..my 1.5GHz is not so fast06:24
insanekanegcc4 ? hoary has gcc 3.3.5 right ?06:24
\shinsanekane: yeah..but i had a patch applied to compile pykde under breezy ;)06:25
insanekaneRiddell: what about bootsplash patch in the kernel ? is it coming in breezy ? (can I do it in hoary ?)06:25
insanekane\sh: aha :)06:25
Riddellinsanekane: they don't like bootsplash because it's kernel space or something, sladen's the dude to talk to06:26
_Church_Of_Foamyok i installed the headers where are they now?06:26
Riddellinsanekane: you could try splashy though if you're desperate06:26
Riddell_Church_Of_Foamy: which headers?06:26
_Church_Of_Foamythey i68606:27
insanekaneRiddell: aha .. thats a good point ... but all those initialization output of the kernel/init ... is scaring my testers06:27
insanekaneRiddell: didnt know abt splashy ... i will check it now06:27
Riddell_Church_Of_Foamy: /usr/src/linux if you're talking about linux06:27
_Church_Of_Foamyyes i'm a kubuntu user ^_^06:28
_Church_Of_Foamyswitched from windows about a month ago06:28
_Church_Of_Foamygot sick of the blue screen of death and it beating on my hardware06:28
zAo^who can tell me where to solve my problem: once ervery 1 or 2 hours, my PC hangs, but my sound plays on and my mouse still works (cant do a thing with it). Not even CNTRL + ALT + BCSK works. The messages file says nothing about it, so does X-log. I use Kubuntu 5.04. Thanks!06:29
_Church_Of_Foamyand the fact that i payed money for software i don't own06:29
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NToleranceanyone installed KDE 3.4.1 yet?06:30
zAo^btw: AMD 2100+, VIA KT333 chip, GF4 TI4200, 1GB06:30
zAo^I didnt NTolerance 06:30
FiretechRiddell: you tell me when the mirror upload is finished right? ;)06:31
FiretechNTolerance: I'm doing it, but ftp.kde.org is slooow at the moment...06:32
NToleranceanyone know what the apt-get syntax is for the upgrade?06:32
FiretechNTolerance: you need to add the ftp.kde.org repository from the topic to your /etc/apt/sources.list first06:33
NToleranceright06:33
NTolerancebut i don't know which syntax to use for apt06:33
FiretechAre you sure you want to do it? It's on your own risk (like mostly everything fun in the linux world...)06:34
NTolerancewell06:34
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NTolerancethey have a package specific to Kubuntu and it's made by the same guy who made Kubuntu06:34
\shinsanekane: i will inform u when it compiled and when its available on my repository for hoary...1 hour or so06:34
Firetechyes06:34
RiddellFiretech: currently on pool/kdelibs/06:35
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insanekane\sh: thank you a million times over :)06:35
insanekane\sh: soon, i will send u kerala coconut beer06:36
Firetechhmm, that should (roughly, counting letters here) be 46%06:36
FiretechI'm counting the L, not the K, everything begins with kde :P06:37
RiddellFiretech: http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.1/kubuntu/ should be there06:38
FiretechRiddell: and you say that now? :P06:38
RiddellI only just saw it06:38
Firetechjust kidding06:39
Firetechthat's what the :P meant.06:39
\shinsanekane: kerala coconut beer?06:40
FiretechRiddell: thanks, that one was quite faster...06:40
Firetechusing my full bandwidth now06:41
Firetechinstead of just 10 kB/s06:41
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insanekane\sh: yeah ... coconut beer made in kerala :)06:41
insanekane\sh: where I live06:41
\shinsanekane: where is it?06:42
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\shindia06:42
\shright?06:42
\shhttp://www.keralatourism.org/index.jsp?resource=multimedia&id=1062711055&type=picture&n=y06:43
insanekane\sh: yeah ... south india :)06:43
insanekane\sh: i live in the city called kochi ... known as Queen of the Arabian Sea06:43
\shif this is kerala, how much cost a ticket?06:43
Firetechhaha, the SuSE packages aren't on mirrorservice.org :P06:43
insanekane\sh: no idea... where are u located ? Germany ?06:43
\shinsanekane: yeah06:43
RiddellFiretech: suse packages were uploaded late06:44
FiretechI could figure that out...06:44
FiretechI just think some nice thoughts for the SuSE users ;)06:44
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insanekane\sh: maybe around Rs 30-40k return ticket ? USD 1 == Rs 50/- (approx)06:45
douglasWhat package do I need to use the share manager for kde?06:46
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Firetechalready finished?06:46
douglasfile share manager06:46
\shinsanekane: i have to see...india is also a country on my "have to visit" list _:)06:46
RiddellFiretech: yep06:47
insanekane\sh: hehehe :)06:47
NToleranceupgrading now, here goes nothing06:47
NTolerance:D06:47
Firetechkubuntu.org was even faster :D06:48
Riddellkubuntu.org not on the academic network06:51
Firetechwhere is it, btw?06:52
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RiddellFiretech: london06:53
FiretechI see that06:54
Riddelltelehouse06:54
Firetechthe traceroute goes in one hop from Stockholm to London :)06:54
Riddelltelehouse is the centre of the internet in britain06:54
NToleranceis it OK to have the backports repositories enabled when doing apt-get upgrade?06:54
RiddellNTolerance: should be but can't be guaranteed since we don't control backports06:55
NToleranceok06:55
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NTolerancethanks for making the new KDE Kubuntu package for us, Riddell 06:56
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NTolerancei'm running apt-get upgrade right now to get the new KDE06:56
Riddellyou're welcome06:56
Riddellno complaints yet06:56
spiralRiddell: I've got a deps problem between kdm & kde-bin06:57
spiralkdebase-bin...06:57
spiralhas anyone had the same problem ?06:58
NTolerancei'll find out in a bit, still downloading06:58
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chxHi! I have shortcuts defined in KATE, would like to open them in Konqueror so I can copy a few binary files.07:04
\shinsanekane: i'm uploading now..this can take a while07:06
insanekanegreat ... thanks07:06
Riddellspiral: bummer07:09
spiralRiddell: ?07:09
spiralRiddell: I don't remember this word... what does it mean ?07:09
insanekaneit means "damn, something bad happened"07:10
Riddelllike insanekane says07:10
insanekane\sh: be right back ... just leaving for a couple of minutes to test splashy07:12
Firetechless than 30 minutes left of KDE 3.4.1 download. :D07:12
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FiretechRiddell: how did you get that strange hostname?07:13
Firetechjriddell.kde07:13
RiddellFiretech: by being an elite KDE developer07:14
Riddelllesser KDE developers get foo.developer.kde07:14
\shhihihi07:14
Firetechfreenode agreement, or something like that?07:15
Riddellit's not a hostname, it's set by freenode07:15
\sha cloak service07:15
Firetechguessed that07:15
Riddellthey do it for various projects07:15
Firetechok, I'm too used to QuakeNet...07:15
Firetechonly ircops get fake hosts there07:16
\shRiddell: btw...your kmilo can I abuse it for presetting those ungeeky internet superduper keyboards?07:16
Riddell\sh: sure07:16
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\shriddell: this would be a cool project for making kubuntu more comfortable to windows people07:17
Firetech\sh: you may use me as a beta tester if you like07:17
FiretechI have one of those keyboards...07:17
Firetechbut I use the "hotkeys" package with my own definitions07:18
\shFiretech: first of all, i need time to implement stuff like this...there r other projects on the list07:18
Firetechyou don't have to hurry07:18
\shFiretech: but i like the idea to have those presymboled keys directly running...07:18
FiretechI meant if you wanted to have beta testers07:18
\shthis khotkeys thingy is nice, when u know how kde works...but i was impressed when i saw, that my laptop mute and volume buttons were working without adjusting anything07:21
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\shamu: so what is your idea to inject new packages into ubuntu?07:37
FiretechRiddell: file overwriting problems in kdebase-bin/kdm and libkiten1/kiten for 3.4.107:37
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Firetechonly those two for me anyway.07:38
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amuFiretech: that was an example ... what you can do ;)07:38
insanekane\sh: i am back ...07:38
amuFiretech: yep bug is known 07:38
\shinsanekane: http://archive.linux-server.org/07:39
Firetechamu: I'll think some more... I would like to program, though...07:39
amuThe Kubuntu project aims to be to KDE what Ubuntu is to GNOME: a great integrated distro with all the great features of Ubuntu, but based on the KDE desktop.07:39
\shinsanekane: i'm just writing a small log entry to describe the syntax changes coming with this patch07:39
insanekane\sh: i can add it to sources.list ?07:39
FiretechI have to learn some linux programming first07:39
amu\sh: "integrated distro" 07:39
insanekane\sh: ok ..07:39
RiddellFiretech: what's the problem for kiten?07:40
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amuFiretech: i'm sure we'll find something07:40
\shinsanekane: deb http://archive.linux-server.org hoary/$(ARCH)/07:40
insanekane\sh: oh ... super thanks ..07:40
\shinsanekane: it's your real name in your whois?07:40
insanekane\sh: error in the webpage -  "This version is linked against Python 2.3"07:41
FiretechRiddell: /usr/share/apps/kiten/radkfile is in both libkiten0 and kiten07:41
insanekane\sh: yes .. my name is Rajeev J Sebastian ... why you ask ?07:41
Firetechis it safe to pull in a --force-overwrite?07:41
\shinsanekane: it's the non finished package description..i want to have it 2.4 only07:41
\shinsanekane: i will mention u :)07:41
RiddellFiretech: yeah, it's safe07:41
Firetechok07:42
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philipacamaniacaudacity (does that use qt?)10:01
spiralphilipacamaniac: not at all... gtk10:01
philipacamaniacyuck10:01
gsuvegphilipacamaniac: cant connect to audio interface10:01
gsuvegthis is gtk, but isnt that the problem10:01
spiralgsuveg: maybe rather arts & so on ?10:02
spiralgsuveg: I get the same problem as you10:02
gsuvegspiral: yes10:03
philipacamaniacdoes audacity need jack? I've had success with other programs that use jack (namely, Ardour)10:03
insanekaneRiddell: i need to use --force-overwrite with the python2.4-kde3/qt3/sip4 packages ... so here is what i think i should do: in preseed file, make a rule for      preseed/late_command     and in that copy the debs to target .... and then in      base-config/late_command        I actually install using dpkg and --force-overwrite .... does it look right to you ? 10:03
gsuvegphilipacamaniac: pardon?10:03
philipacamaniacjack: http://jackit.sourceforge.net/10:04
philipacamaniacrequired by many linux pro audio software - I was wondering if perhaps audacity needs it to work?10:05
gsuvegphilipacamaniac: hmm.10:05
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gsuvegyes10:06
gsuvegafter killing arts it works10:06
philipacamaniacarts and jack sometimes don't get along10:06
philipacamaniacI had a fix for slackware, but I can't remember exactly what it was, or how I could port it over to kubuntu.10:07
philipacamaniacAre you wanting to edit audio files, or something along the lines of multi-track recording?10:08
Tm_T\sh: I'm now installing pykde10:09
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nmorseyou know what's really annoying about Kubuntu's KDE?10:09
Tm_Tme?10:09
Tm_T;--P10:09
nmorseThe Load screen I get when it loads my trash applet10:09
nmorseIt seems to take forever for it to do so10:10
Tm_Tload screen?10:10
philipacamaniachmm10:10
nmorseAnd that stupid Konqy loading page is really annoying10:10
KaiL_load screen?10:10
Tm_Tloading page?10:10
nmorseYou know, like when Konqy's opening a link from Konversation10:10
nmorseThat little loading bar in it's own little window10:10
nmorseIt's quite aggravating to see every time I log in10:11
KaiL_this download window?10:11
nmorseYeah, it brings that up when loading my trash applet10:11
nmorseWhy, I have no idea10:11
\shTm_T: ok :)10:12
philipacamaniacThat sounds like KDE behaviour, not Kubuntu specific.10:12
nmorseIt's related to Kubuntu's specific trash applet though10:13
darkauditwill 3.4.1 make Ubuntu universe as well, or will it be in kubuntu repos only?10:13
nmorseI really prefer a trash can on the desktop10:13
KaiL_even that is not specific :)10:13
philipacamaniacdarkaudit: no, not until Breezy10:13
nmorseI really can't understand though, why there's a trash applet instead of a desktop icon10:13
philipacamaniacdarkaudit: security updates should, though10:14
darkauditok...10:14
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darkauditno fixes I'm really hard-up for at the moment, anyway :)10:14
nmorseI've heard it's to limit desktop icons, but every time I insert a CD, it mounts and shows up on the desktop10:14
Tm_T\sh: hmm, atleast desktop script of amaroK can't find pykde :p10:14
nmorseSo, I still don't understand the need for a trash applet in my already crowded Kicker10:15
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Tm_Tnmorse: so remove it10:15
\shTm_T: i will test itlater....meeting now10:15
Tm_T\sh: ok :)10:15
philipacamaniacI believe it was to match the look and feel of Ubuntu10:15
nmorseAnd there's the fact that I have nothing in the trash to add to loading confusion on my part10:15
philipacamaniacKubuntu devels have the difficult job of balancing Ubuntu defaults with KDE defaults10:16
gdhGosh, sarge now 'due' on June 6th :)10:16
ilbahranyone know about a good program where i can put comments in pdf file like the proffessional ADOBE ver10:16
Tm_Thaha10:16
Tm_Tgdh: so it's august10:16
nmorseSarge has been due for too long10:16
nmorseBut it's a huge step forward compared to the last 3 releases10:17
gdhTm_T: <grin> :)))10:17
nmorseNothing in Debian's really changed since 2.010:17
gdhhttp://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2005/22/  - they seem fairly confident this week :)10:17
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philipacamaniacYeah, I'll be playing Duke Nukem Forever on Debian Sarge.10:17
nmorseBut 3.1 promises good things10:17
philipacamaniacAnd why didn't they bump it up to 4.0? It has been 3 years, after all...10:18
nmorseBecause everyone seems to have ignored that fact10:18
nmorseIt would be more appropriate anyway, with the new systems in place10:18
gdhphilipacamaniac: It was going to be 4.0 when they realised the full scale of the changes... but then they realised 'we're too close to the release to go back and change everything' ... that was about 9 months ago now.10:19
NTolerancei'll be playing Team Fortress 210:19
gdhthe expectation was to release around christmas :)10:19
nmorseThey've been surprisingly close for over a year10:19
nmorseBelieve it or not, KDE was a large part of the holdup10:19
nmorseIt's why udev is the default dev thing now10:20
philipacamaniacWell, maybe since amu is working on Kubuntu, that's not a huge problem anymore.10:20
mrmanicto upgrade kopete you have to install xmms?10:21
mrmanicthat's odd10:21
nmorseNow, to figure out how to get the Trash icon back on the desktop10:22
philipacamaniacmrmanic: are you using hoary/kde 3.4?10:22
nmorseThere's got to be a wiki somewhere for that10:22
philipacamaniacnmorse: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2270110:23
nmorseYeah, kopete claims an xmms dependency10:23
darkauditgdh: and before that, Sept. :)10:23
mrmanicphilipacamaniac: yes.10:23
gdhdarkaudit: I do remember all the "LOL 2 years since a release omgwtf!?!!?" :)10:24
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Tm_Theh10:25
darkauditcraps out when I try to set up an account... can't type in anything10:25
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philipacamaniacmrmanic: it is for the Now Listening plugin. http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/kde/kopete10:27
mrmanicphilipacamaniac: ten four good buddy10:27
nmorseRight, so a distribution that is constantly seeking to cut cruft out of its KDE version puts the Now Listening plugin in by default?10:27
philipacamaniacI'll admit - that's pretty stupid10:27
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gdhMoronic, esp if it can only work with xmms/beep10:28
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philipacamaniacNo it works in all the KDE players, you just need xmms installed10:28
nmorseWhy do you need XMMS installed to use KDE players?10:28
mrmanicthat doesn't make any sense at all, IMO.10:29
nmorseIt can't just use DCOP and Juk or Kaffeine by default?10:29
gdhnope :)10:29
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nmorseOr even amaroK10:29
mrmanicit seems like that plugin needs to be rearchitected to make xmms optional10:29
philipacamaniacReal good question - sounds like a specific kopete bug/feature request10:29
nmorseIt does need that for sure10:29
Tm_TamaroK!10:29
gdhOr just drop it. We don't /care/ what you're listening to =)10:29
philipacamaniacYeah, I certainly don't. And that's what AudioScrobbler in amaroK is for!10:30
nmorseBesides, doesn't using XMMS for Kopete mean you're adding an extra step, namely py-xmms?10:31
nmorseThat sure makes sense when something as useful as DCOP exists and is easier to use10:31
Tm_Theh10:32
philipacamaniacYes, the kopete "now listening" plugin needs to be rewritten to use DCOP10:32
Tm_Tphilipacamaniac: there is one for amaroK already10:32
Tm_Tafaik10:32
nmorseBut why use amaroK or XMMS when stuff like Juk exists?10:33
nmorseJuk is so nice, it's simple, clean and automatically sorts your music for you10:33
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philipacamaniacnmorse: because I like to listen my music?? just kidding... I just like amaroK the most.10:33
Tm_Tnmorse: what's wrong in amaroK?10:33
gdhIs it possible to have juk /not/ build a 'music collection' ? i.e. just point it at a directory like every other player? :)10:34
mrmanicnmorse: I think it's just a matter of preference10:34
mrmanicnmorse: I use noatun and itunes.10:34
Tm_Thehe10:34
nmorseYeah, it's preference, but amaroK doesn't fit in with the KDE desktop, really10:34
mrmanicwhy?10:34
philipacamaniacActually, the 'music collection' paradigm is the most useful thing about JuK10:34
mrmanicit's too sexy?10:34
nmorseLike XMMS, it's very themeable10:35
nmorseKDE tends to use on theme (of your choosing)10:35
nmorseSo yes, it's too sexy10:35
\shTm_T: where can i find this desktop script? can u send it to me via mail?10:35
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mrmanicnoatun uses winamp skins10:35
mrmanicthat's one of the things I like about it10:35
gdhNone of them seem to play music via KIOSlaves ... e.g. I can't rely on smb://eddie/mp3  - it will copy each mp3 to a local tempfile, and play from that10:35
Tm_T\sh: it's in amaroK-svn atleast10:36
mrmanicyeah10:36
gdhso I'm forced to mount with smbfs to /mnt/mp3 etc. :/10:36
mrmanicgdh: that's a frustration for me too10:36
\shTm_T: so send it :) i don't use amarok svn ;)10:36
nmorseNone of them use the KIOslaves?10:36
philipacamaniacYeah, and most can't play cds properly with audiocd:/10:36
gdhthat seems like such an unbelievable omission to not use a /fantastic/ system like the KIOSlaves10:36
Tm_T\sh: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=2029310:36
nmorseI know, who would do that?10:36
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nmorseTime to go see the Juk developers10:37
Tm_T\sh: you should, it's just better than "release"10:37
RetroManis it ok for me to compile from source kdelibs-3.4.1?10:37
ztonzyamu, here ?10:37
RetroManwith default options?10:37
nmorsewhy would you do that, RetroMan?10:37
RetroManhmm.. not sure10:37
Tm_Thaha10:37
philipacamaniacIf I wget an entire archive site, recursively, is there a way to show the total status of the download? Geez...10:38
nmorseTry using apt-get source kdelibs10:38
mrmanicgdh: noatun can SORT OF handle smb.  it makes a local copy and then plays it.  I do wish it would stream, but I imagine that's a pain to do.10:38
RetroManwhats a better way?  add the repository to apt-get?10:38
Tm_TRetroMan: yup10:38
Tm_TRetroMan: topic ;)10:38
Tm_TI think it's all there10:39
RetroManand then I can just run apt-get update ?10:39
gdhmrmanic: I understand they need to seek randomly, but that should be no problem... unless internally these apps are doing 'traditional' file access and not using "file:/"10:39
Tm_Tand apt-get upgrade10:39
RetroMansweet10:39
mrmanicgdh: nm, noatun can handle it fully apparently without copying it local10:40
gdhnoatun is the GNOME one?10:40
philipacamaniacno10:40
nmorseamaroK does too, according to #kde10:40
nmorseNoatun is a KDE player10:40
nmorseolder than most too, and plays video10:40
nmorseI remember when KDE 3.0 was brand spanking new10:40
gdhOh right, all these half-baked apps :)10:40
philipacamaniacBasically an advanced XMMS for KDE10:41
nmorseKaboodle's there too10:41
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mrmanicnoatun is actually a pretty nice low-tech player, IMO10:42
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mrmanicit's on par with winamp 2, IMO10:42
ztonzyTm_T, you named amu ;) ??10:42
Tm_Tnope10:42
Tm_TI just thought it as fun ;--P10:42
nmorseExcept Noatun plays video too, without plugins10:42
gdhnoatun requires arts?10:42
philipacamaniacyes10:43
nmorseIt's really not necessary anymore, though, with Kaffeine and amaroK taking both of those functions in a much better way10:43
philipacamaniacnmorse: I agree10:43
amuztonzy: soon :) 10:43
gdhahhh.. noatun looks like a music player, not a 'media environment' :)10:43
mrmanicgdh: that's what i like about it.10:43
mrmanicgdh: it's not in your face, it doesn't have feature bloat, it just plays my music.10:44
ztonzyamu, soon ??10:44
RetroManagh!  I keep getting an "unmet dependencies" error, and every time I try to resolve it, I get an error10:44
gdhmrmanic: And, true enough it plays via smb://10:44
mrmanicgdh: It used to have trouble with it...they must have fixed that.10:45
mrmanicthis is great10:45
amuztonzy: ...i'm back10:45
gdhhowever, it does seem to copy every file I play to my homedir.10:45
mrmanichmm10:46
ztonzyamu, ok...10:46
ztonzyamu, check at bottom:  http://download.blender.org/source/10:46
mrmanicgah, so true10:46
mrmanicgdh: apparently it does that silently now :\10:47
mrmanicgdh: I used to get a popup for that10:47
mrmanic:(10:47
gdhchrist... nothing's ever easy :)10:47
gdhWill inevitably end up sticking to beep-media-player and smbfs :) I even have a winamp 1.x skin for it :)10:47
ztonzyamu, wait10:47
ztonzyamu, a minute or so...10:47
ztonzybefore...10:47
ztonzyamu, okey...go ahead :)10:48
ztonzynow there's a md510:48
nmorseWhat the heck is beep-media-player?10:48
gdhnmorse: It's xmms, but gtk210:48
gdhi.e. not quite so horrific10:49
nmorseRight, so where's XMMS in KDE's QT stuff?10:49
gdhother than that, it's identical. uses the same plugin format, too.10:49
nmorseNoatun really doesn't cut it and amaroK gets on my nerves with its very different way of doing things10:49
gdhI think many of us are just ingrained with winamp's way.10:50
philipacamaniacI'm addicted to iTunes, so amaroK is like my nicotine patch10:50
mrmanicitunes works ok with codeweavers wine.10:50
mrmanicnot great10:50
mrmanicbut ok10:50
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nmorseExactly, psn10:51
philipacamaniac*grumble grumble... maybe I'll go take a look at JuK10:51
RetroManamarok all the way :)10:52
nmorseI just tried amaroK again, for the maybe tenth time since its earliest releases10:52
nmorseand I still can't stand drag-and-drop playlists10:53
gdhnmorse: yis :) 10:53
RetroManyou can save the playlist10:53
gdhAt a quick glance, JuK would be fine for me if it used KIOslaves10:53
nmorseAnyone know of a good theme package for bmp?10:53
RetroManis that the complaint..?10:53
gdhand didn't require a 'collection' :)10:53
nmorseNo, if it couldn't save playlists it wouldn't be a music player10:53
nmorseOh, but the collection is just neat10:54
NTolerancedoes anyone here use the kmix keyboard shortcuts?10:54
nmorseIt gives you a meta-package of all your playlists10:54
nmorseThen, when you want to make a new one, you just highlight and right-click the songs in your collection you want in the playlist and click 'Make New Playlist'10:55
nmorseIt's just too easy to use10:55
gdhI have an alphabetically organised mp3 dir - I already know where my stuff is :) I should have to spend hours crafting proper id3 tags + pls lists just so it appears properly in one music player :/10:55
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gdhI *shouldn't* have...10:55
RetroManIm getting an error trying to upgrade my kdelibs - apparently it cant be overwritten10:55
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philipacamaniacid3 tags (read ALL metatags) are designed to make your data/music/video/blah be organized properly in any program10:56
nmorseYou mean your MP3's don't have ID3 tags?10:56
nmorseMaybe CDDB is for you10:56
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philipacamaniacnmorse: lol10:57
RetroManapt-get is giving me this error: "/var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary1_all.deb 10:57
RetroManE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"10:57
gdhfeh :) I have an.. organic collection :)10:57
nmorsegdh: are there any packages in Ubuntu that have beep-media-player themes?10:57
nmorseas in theme packages'10:57
gdhnone of this new-wave bloody itunes nonsense10:57
insanekaneok cya all later10:57
insanekaneciao10:57
nmorseI really don't like iTunes10:58
gdhnmorse: Any of the xmms ones will work. I'm using an xmms 'winamp' skin for bmp10:58
nmorseRight, I'm coming up with a distinct lack of XMMS theme packages in my apt-cache searches10:59
nmorseAnd both universe and multiverse are enabled11:00
philipacamaniacyou may not like itunes, but I have a real addiction problem, ok?11:00
gdhhm, maybe there aren't any - I just found some on teh intarwab...11:00
nmorsephilipacamaniac: you should go to a support group for that11:00
nmorseI'm sending my family there11:01
gdhnmorse: I guess if you let one theme package in, suddenly you get flooded by every crap artist who thinks they're something wanting to be included too...11:01
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ztonzyamu, got it ?11:01
philipacamaniaciTA11:01
nmorseYou just make on theme package11:01
nmorseWith say, 50 themes in it11:01
philipacamaniaciTunes Anonymous11:01
nmorseThat's how Gentoo does it11:01
philipacamaniacor more simplistically, iAnonymous11:02
nmorsephilipacamaniac: no, I send them to iTMS iAnonymous11:02
philipacamaniacoh yeah, that too!11:02
nmorseBuying music is like buying crack11:02
philipacamaniac$0.99 can add up11:02
nmorseHeh, looks like there is an xmms themes package11:03
nmorsecalled xmms-skins for some inane reason11:03
gdhwho'd have thought? :)11:03
gdhhmm, right click.. options ...skin browser :)11:04
gdhnomenclature++11:04
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gdhstill, respect goes to fluxbox for re-inventing the 'dock' as the 'slit' :)11:04
nmorsenot that it matters, since xmms-skins doesn't have any really good skins11:04
nmorseThe alien and the Linux Power skins are left out11:05
kayhey, konversaion is back on Breezy11:05
kay+t11:05
gdhnmorse: I can believe that. I don't really care for such things, but the default Debian one was ghastly11:05
nmorseI actually like bmp's default Debian one11:05
nmorseMuch better than XMMS' default11:05
gdhAin't choice great? :)11:06
nmorseor the ones in that xmms-skins package11:06
Firetechanyone running kde 3.4.1 and having problems with juk11:06
F_for_Fraggingwhen I tried to update certain kde packages, for example kmail, to 3.4.1 by using the kubuntu.org repo, kynaptic wanted to delete kde-core kde-devel and kdelibs, more people having this problem?11:06
philipacamaniacI didn't have that problem11:07
philipacamaniacFiretech: I'm waiting for a download to finish, then I can restart X and try out JuK11:07
FiretechJuK just crashes when changing son some times, no reero or anything11:08
Firetechwhen using both aKode and aRts11:08
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Firetechit behaves like amarok did with arts when I tried it last11:10
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Firetechreero= error11:10
philipacamaniacI use amarok with arts (for crossfading)11:11
Firetechit suddenly started crashing on me.11:11
philipacamaniachmm11:11
claudehi all11:12
claudeis kaffeine run under gnome ?11:13
nmorseno Kaffeine is definitely a KDE program11:14
nmorseIt runs in GNOME though11:14
nmorseLike all good KDE programs11:14
claudei run it in ubuntu but cant play sound11:15
nmorseCan you play sound from any other program?11:15
nmorseTime to restart KDE to try out 3.4.111:16
claudeyes all apps works well under alsa11:17
claudeoh i m under xfce and it works11:18
claudei have no engine available under gnome strange...11:19
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Firetechphilipacamaniac: It might be my arts config11:19
philipacamaniacFiretech: possibly11:20
claudeit seems to be related to the kaffeine_part11:20
Firetechdisabled network sound and changed a setting I think I changed before to "auto11:20
Firetech" again, and now amarok seems to work...11:20
mrmanicok11:21
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mrmanickaffeine is a much nicer video player than noatun11:21
mrmanicthe sound sync on noatun is TERRIBLE11:21
FiretechI want akode support for amarok...11:23
Tm_TFiretech: #amarok11:23
nmorseOh, lovely, I've just noticed that pykde requires a python version less than 2.411:23
nmorseUbuntu has 2.4.111:24
Tm_Tnmorse: install python2.4-kde311:24
Tm_Tnmorse: http://planet.ubuntu.com/11:24
\shnmorse: not right11:25
\shnmorse: in ubuntu hoary there r two versions of it...11:25
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philipacamaniacFiretech: KDE 3.4.1, yes JuK is buggy11:27
Firetechdamn.11:27
philipacamaniacit crashed and did all sorts of silly things11:27
philipacamaniacgood thing I use amaroK11:27
FiretechI just had gotten to like it...11:27
philipacamaniacbummer11:27
FiretechamaroK doesn't want me...11:27
philipacamaniacnoatun maybe?11:27
nmorseI wonder why eric3 doesn't work on hoary11:28
\shnmorse: 1. eric3 is b0rked11:28
FiretechaRts is just plain sucky (in the end it crashed all the time...), Xine makes funny (not funny) noices and GStreamer sucks a lot of CPU.11:28
\shnmorse: 2. python-qt3 is b0rked a bit11:28
nmorseRight, and what maintainer left them that way?11:29
nmorseSurely hoary-updates could have fixed versions?11:29
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\shnmorse: well...this is normally "against the policy" cause it's not really a security issue11:33
nmorseNo, I don't mean put it in security updates, but hoary-updates is for updating packages, correct?11:33
nmorseAnd eric3 isn't in main11:33
\shbut python-qt is11:34
\shand this must be updated as well11:34
nmorseWhy is python-qt in main?11:34
\shthis is the question...we're discussing it and we'll try to put it into main11:35
\shs/main/universe/11:35
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nmorseRight, so until that happens they won't update a main package to fix a universe package11:39
\shnmorse: yepp11:39
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FiretechIt's the evil arts/akode11:42
Firetechtrying with gstreamer11:43
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mrmanicthere's an issue with the knemo package vs the knetworkconf package in kubuntu11:46
KaiL_not jet fixed?11:46
philipacamaniacit was fixed days ago, if you use the kubuntu.org repo11:46
philipacamaniacknetworkconf was fixed upstream (they removed the shared icon)11:47
mrmanichrm11:47
mrmanicsec11:47
KaiL_afaik only moved to another place?11:47
nmorseHmm, after all that trouble to supposedly fix my Trash icon, it still doesn't show up11:48
philipacamaniacyeah... (at least, the bug I opened on bugzilla was marked fixed and closed)11:48
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nmorsethere we go, fixed it11:50
nmorseand the stupid loading bar stuff doesn't show up when it's not an applet11:50
nmorseMuch better11:50
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mrmanicphilipacamaniac: I use this: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary for most stuff, and the kubuntu.org repository mentioned in the topic for kde 3.4.111:51
mrmanicphilipacamaniac: and it doesn't seem to be fixed for me.11:51
philipacamaniacYeah, you also need deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main11:52
mrmanicshould I replace the ubuntu repository or just append the kubuntu.org one?11:52
philipacamaniacappend11:52
mrmanick11:52
mrmanicthanks11:52
nmorseI tend to append to many repos11:52
philipacamaniacKubuntu archive only has certain specific updates11:53
nmorseMy sources.list looks like sendmail.cf now11:53
philipacamaniaclol11:53
philipacamaniacJust don't leave backports and marillat enabled permanently11:53
nmorseOf course they're enabled permanently11:53
nmorseI need some risk in my debian-based life11:53
philipacamaniacI see...11:53
mrmanicwhy not leave them enabled permanently?11:54
philipacamaniacYou could *possibly* break things11:54
nmorseIt's like using Knoppix, you only do it to see how screwed up apt can get (and for that good old dependency hell I sometimes wax nostalgic over)11:54
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philipacamaniacIt is generally recommended to enable an extra repo only to get what you need11:54
nmorseYou ever try to convert knoppix to debian unstable?11:55
mrmanicconvert?11:55
uniqapt pinning is great.11:55
Firetechnmorse: knoppix is more debian than ubuntu11:55
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nmorseThat's apt-pinning and dpkg -* like you've never seen11:55
mrmanicI thought it was just a slow ooze11:55
philipacamaniacHowever, you can consider the kubuntu.org repo as official.11:55
philipacamaniacnmorse: sick11:55
uniqsemi-official.11:55
uniq:)11:55
nmorseI once actually converted a Linspire install to Debian unstable for kicks11:56
philipacamaniacuniq: indeed11:56
nmorseNothing like Linspire with dselect11:56
mrmanicphilipacamaniac: thanks so much for your help.  that fixed it.11:56
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philipacamaniacuniq: I give it my own personal stamp of approval11:56
philipacamaniacmrmanic: no prob11:56
philipacamaniac:)11:56
uniqphilipacamaniac: well, it's made by the same people.11:56
philipacamaniacexactly, but not within the Canonical realm11:56
mrmanicI think maybe udev is messing with my network device names.11:57
mrmanicboth my wired ethernet and my wireless come up as eth0 now11:58
mrmanic:\11:58
philipacamaniacKubuntu has got the idea: release important updates when they become available11:59
philipacamaniacscrew release cycles11:59
philipacamaniacj/k11:59
philipacamaniacbut sorta not really11:59
mrmanicI liked running debian unstable for that reason.11:59
mrmanicThat generally updates would be pretty quick to hit.11:59
philipacamaniacmrmanic: that's no good11:59
_tomas_al descomprimir con unrar todos los archivos me sacan error.. alguna solucin ?12:00
philipacamaniac(the udev problem)12:00
mrmanicI think once I really grok udev I'll be a happier man12:00
philipacamaniacgotta go, I'll see y'all later12:01

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