[12:36] <StR> Hi all
[12:36] <Tm_T> hullo
[12:37] <kappaOne> hey ppl anyone know how to edit menu entries on konqueror? 
[12:37] <kappaOne> such as say hide "show hidden files"
[12:37] <Tm_T> edit?
[12:38] <kappaOne> yeh like say remove entries or add them
[12:40] <Tm_T> try #kde-dev
[12:40] <kappaOne> ok thx
[12:43] <psn> kappaOne: you can do that by hand editing an xml file...
[12:44] <kappaOne> do u know which one it is?
[12:44] <Tm_T> oh yes, I forgot that
[12:44] <apollo2011> How do I install a package from a .deb?
[12:45] <psn> kappaOne: i'll look wait
[12:45] <kappaOne> thx
[12:46] <psn> kappaOne: do you want to do it system wide or only for your user?
[12:47] <kappaOne> either
[12:47] <kappaOne> i don't mind
[12:47] <Tm_T> apollo2011: dpkg -i package.deb
[12:47] <kappaOne> user preferably
[12:47] <Tm_T> if I remember it correctly
[12:47] <apollo2011> Tim_T: thx
[12:47] <psn> kappaOne: ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc
[12:47] <Tm_T> apollo2011: Tim?
[12:47] <kappaOne> thx i'll have a look
[12:47] <Tm_T> who's Tim?
[12:48] <apollo2011> Tm_T: typo
[12:49] <Tm_T> =)
[12:50] <Tm_T> well I see it happen often
[12:50] <apollo2011> lol
[12:51] <Tm_T> dunno why "Tm" seems to be "Tim"
[01:01] <_P_> hi all
[01:02] <[freebsd> Does anyone have a copy of the standard kubuntu sources.list so i can change from ubuntu to kubuntu?
[01:03] <Tm_T> eeeh
[01:03] <Tm_T> its the same
[01:05] <apollo2011> How do I execute a .bin file? sh doesn't seem to work...
[01:05] <_Church_Of_Foamy> can linux use microsft .dll files?
[01:05] <apollo2011> no you can use WINE to run windows programs...
[01:06] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i know but wine needs an updated version of the .dll
[01:06] <apollo2011> dunno then
[01:07] <apollo2011> dunno then
[01:07] <apollo2011> How do I execute a .bin file? sh doesn't seem to work...
[01:07] <Tm_T> hmh
[01:08] <mrmanic> _Church_Of_Foamy: pretty sure wine can
[01:08] <mrmanic> _Church_Of_Foamy: you can set it to use native or built-in within wine.conf, I think
[01:09] <mrmanic> er, builtin
[01:09] <_Church_Of_Foamy> yea i found a website that tells you how to use either or
[01:09] <mrmanic> ok
[01:09] <mrmanic> great
[01:10] <_Church_Of_Foamy> ^_^
[01:13] <mrmanic> apollo2011: are you sure it's an executable?
[01:14] <apollo2011> mrmanic: no it wasn't got it working now
[01:14] <mrmanic> ok
[01:14] <mrmanic> apparently I'm too slow to answer questions today
[01:15] <Tm_T> =)
[01:15] <Tm_T> mrmanic: you can't answer to all of them
[01:16] <mrmanic> no
[01:16] <mrmanic> I can't
[01:16] <mrmanic> :(
[01:16] <mrmanic> I wish I could
[01:16] <mrmanic> if I were an out-of-work linux guru, I could.
[01:16] <Tm_T> like "when KDE 3.4.1 is released???"
[01:17] <psn> Tm_T: just run svn trunk instead :)
[01:18] <mrmanic> Tm_T: haha
[01:18] <mrmanic> Tm_T: I ask a few questions myself.
[01:18] <Tm_T> psn: no I won't!
[01:19] <Tm_T> ;p
[01:19] <ubuntu> hello
[01:19] <mrmanic> hi
[01:19] <psn> Tm_T: why not? I've had more problem with kubuntu packaged kde then with trunk...
[01:20] <Tm_T> because I wan't to know how kubuntu packaged KDE is working
[01:20] <[freebsd> Hey, If I'm moving to Kubuntu from Ubuntu with install kubuntu-desktop, can i uninstall the default ubuntu/gnome stuff?
[01:20] <Tm_T> so I now if I can help others
[01:20] <mrmanic> kubuntu packaged kde takes WAY less time to compile
[01:20] <[freebsd> because..
[01:20] <Tm_T> compile?!
[01:20] <[freebsd> its not compiling
[01:20] <[freebsd> its getting prepackaged stuff
[01:20] <Tm_T> haha
[01:20] <[freebsd> and unpacking
[01:20] <Tm_T> yup
[01:20] <[freebsd> moronz0r.
[01:20] <[freebsd> i'
[01:21] <Tm_T> [freebsd: take it as a joke, don't be so cruel
[01:21] <ubuntu> kubuntu don't exist in french ?
[01:21] <[freebsd> lol
[01:21] <Tm_T> ubuntu: eh, yes it does
[01:21] <[freebsd> Ok so like. How would I move ubuntu to kubuntu if i wanted to get rid of the gnome components?
[01:21] <[freebsd> just apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop?
[01:21] <[freebsd> then get kubuntu-desktop?
[01:21] <psn> ubuntu: the translation just isn't on the cd
[01:22] <Tm_T> [freebsd: first install kubuntu-desktop
[01:22] <[freebsd> mk
[01:22] <[freebsd> thanks
[01:22] <Tm_T> then uninstall ubuntu-desktop
[01:22] <[freebsd> will all the apps from gnome go too?
[01:22] <Tm_T> then use deborphan to find unneeded packages
[01:22] <[freebsd> whats the syntax for deborphan? never used it
[01:22] <[freebsd> too lazy to rtfm this second
[01:22] <Tm_T> just say deborphan
[01:22] <Tm_T> and it give you a list
[01:23] <ubuntu> i use a live cd for try kubuntu
[01:23] <Tm_T> and then uninstall those packages
[01:23] <[freebsd> mk
[01:23] <Tm_T> ubuntu: there's french I'm sure
[01:23] <[freebsd> thank you
[01:23] <Tm_T> np
[01:23] <ubuntu> for ubuntu yes but for kubuntu i don't know ...
[01:23] <Tm_T> there is
[01:24] <[freebsd> lol upgrading from warty to hoary and theres over 1000 upgrades to pull
[01:24] <[freebsd> kubuntus sources.list is the same as ubuntus, right?
[01:24] <Tm_T> yup
[01:24] <[freebsd> k, thanks
[01:24] <Tm_T> [freebsd: check topic too ;)
[01:25] <Tm_T> there's something to add
[01:25] <Tm_T> ubuntu: you only need to install one(?) package to get french translation
[01:26] <Tm_T> but I prefer en_GB anyway
[01:26] <Tm_T> and no, it's not my native language
[01:26] <ubuntu> yes but i'll try again to find this in french ... 
[01:27] <[freebsd> can you get EE working under Debian?
[01:27] <[freebsd> or is it FBSD only?
[01:27] <Tm_T> EE ?
[01:27] <[freebsd> console editing app
[01:27] <[freebsd> like vim but better
[01:28] <Tm_T> ubuntu: find what?
[01:28] <ubuntu> a cd live kubuntu in frencg ... it's very late in france ! I go to bed ! ;-) see you soon 
[01:28] <Riddell> ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kde-i18n-fr
[01:29] <Riddell> ubuntu: unfortunatly the language packs are not installed by default with kubuntu yet
[01:29] <Tm_T> heh
[01:29] <Tm_T> Riddell: you just said what I was going to say
[01:29] <Tm_T> I'm slow :/
[01:29] <ubuntu> ok thanks 
[01:29] <Tm_T> and it's all because of my age!
[01:30] <[freebsd> lol
[01:30] <[freebsd> 15?
[01:30] <ubuntu> bye
[01:36] <mrmanic> when is debian going to include xorg?
[01:37] <mrmanic> oops, wrong channel for that one
[01:37] <mrmanic> when is kubuntu's kuser not going to crash?
[01:37] <Blissex> mrmanic: ask the Debian bot about that :-)
[01:37] <mrmanic> when is kde 3.5 coming out?
[01:39] <Blissex> mrmanic: ask in #KDE for an appropriate response :-)
[01:41] <Tm_T> mrmanic: not too soon, maybe next winter
[01:41] <Riddell> mrmanic: I believe kuser magically doesn't crash in breezy
[01:41] <Riddell> but that could just be rumours
[01:41] <mrmanic> what?
[01:42] <mrmanic> omg
[01:42] <Riddell> that doesn't mean I advise people who want a working system to upgrade to breezy
[01:42] <mrmanic> :D
[01:42] <Riddell> there is no schedule for KDE 3.5 yet
[01:42] <Tm_T> yup
[01:42] <Tm_T> but it's released in next 4 years ;p
[01:43] <mrmanic> I'm pretty excited about it.
[01:43] <Tm_T> I'm excited about KDE4
[01:44] <mrmanic> me too
[01:44] <Tm_T> I'm excited about a girl
[01:44] <Tm_T> ...did I said that out loud?
[01:45] <mrmanic> :D
[02:13] <knoppix> hello
[02:13] <knoppix> can anyone help me?
[02:13] <knoppix> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38272
[02:13] <knoppix> read up, then tell me if you can help me.
[02:13] <knoppix> please.
[02:16] <Tm_T> hm
[02:18] <Tm_T> strange
[02:19] <knoppix> so it seems.
[02:21] <Tm_T> green text?
[02:21] <Tm_T> lines jumping up and down!?
[02:21] <knoppix> uhh.., there isnt it text
[02:21] <knoppix> sort of
[02:21] <knoppix> i dont remember exactly, but yes i think s
[02:21] <knoppix> *so
[02:21] <Tm_T> eeh
[02:22] <Tm_T> ok, try to install from ubuntu-install cd
[02:22] <tcwd> Hey people.  I'm quite a linux n00b, and don't know much. I have a question.  I just finished installing kubuntu, knowing that it has KDE, and it was indeed installing KDE.  BUT, during startup, it doesn't load KDM... and, when i tried running KDM from the root command line, it outputted errors.  Any ideas?
[02:22] <knoppix> ive already tried to install from a ubuntu cd
[02:22] <knoppix> thats what i tried first, it does the same thing
[02:23] <Tm_T> it can't
[02:23] <knoppix> what you mean?
[02:23] <knoppix> first i installed ubuntu, then it didnt work so i installed kubuntu
[02:23] <Tm_T> eh, nothing
[02:23] <tcwd> any ideas?
[02:24] <Tm_T> tcwd: yes, ppc?
[02:24] <StR> Anyone with breezy?
[02:24] <Tm_T> StR: what about it?
[02:24] <StR> it is telling me to remove all kde packages....
[02:24] <tcwd> ppc?
[02:24] <StR> i386
[02:24] <Tm_T> tcwd: I mean, what kind of hardware you have?
[02:25] <Tm_T> StR: yes, breezy is broken, so?
[02:25] <tcwd> Tm_T: as in, sound card, and stuff?
[02:25] <Tm_T> tcwd: as, processor
[02:25] <tcwd> oh
[02:25] <tcwd> intel
[02:26] <Tm_T> ok
[02:26] <tcwd> Intel Pentium 3
[02:26] <tcwd> something like that
[02:26] <Tm_T> ok
[02:26] <Tm_T> so you have kernel issue
[02:26] <Tm_T> tcwd: it's hoary?
[02:26] <tcwd> yes
[02:26] <Tm_T> StR: :)
[02:26] <Tm_T> StR: topic?
[02:26] <tcwd> Hoary Hedgehog
[02:26] <StR> I expect to see breezy broken.... but not to remove all kde packages
[02:27] <knoppix> hey how do i set the resolutions in the install?
[02:27] <knoppix> for kubuntu
[02:27] <Tm_T> StR: heh, it's just how apt works
[02:27] <knoppix> what key?
[02:27] <tcwd> Tm_T: what can i do to fix this?
[02:27] <Tm_T> tcwd: hmm, there is a way...
[02:28] <tcwd> reinstall?
[02:28] <Tm_T> tcwd: have you installed multiple kernels?
[02:28] <knoppix> anyone?
[02:28] <tcwd> Tm_T: no
[02:28] <Tm_T> knoppix: can't remember, I think it asks
[02:28] <tcwd> well actually...
[02:28] <StR> so.. I guess no1 is using breezy here...
[02:28] <tcwd> uh..
[02:28] <Tm_T> StR: not many
[02:28] <tcwd> No, i haven't
[02:28] <Tm_T> StR: and those who does, don't update it really ;)
[02:29] <Tm_T> and you know why
[02:29] <Tm_T> tcwd: hmm
[02:29] <Tm_T> tcwd: you have live-cd?
[02:29] <tcwd> the installation CD?
[02:30] <Tm_T> hmm, ok
[02:30] <Tm_T> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11135
[02:30] <Tm_T> is it something like that ?
[02:31] <tcwd> uh, sorry, i can't really get on a web-page, because i'm using the text thingie
[02:31] <tcwd> with the black background and all
[02:32] <tcwd> because i can't get into a desktop environmnet
[02:32] <tcwd> *environment
[02:32] <Tm_T> eeh
[02:33] <Tm_T> you can use lynx or other shell web browser
[02:33] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:33] <Tm_T> you tried to update your system again?
[02:34] <tcwd> you mean, reinstall?
[02:34] <Tm_T> no
[02:34] <Tm_T> sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[02:34] <Tm_T> no that
[02:34] <Tm_T> apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:34] <Tm_T> this one
[02:35] <tcwd> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove, and 0 not upgraded
[02:35] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:37] <Tm_T> try this one: "sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.10-5-686"
[02:39] <tcwd> that package doesn't exist
[02:39] <tcwd> but there's a different one
[02:39] <Tm_T> eh!
[02:39] <tcwd> with 3886
[02:39] <tcwd> * 386
[02:39] <Tm_T> hmm, strange...
[02:39] <tcwd> and it says, it's already the newest version
[02:39] <Tm_T> yup
[02:39] <Tm_T> I think 686 would be better choice
[02:39] <Tm_T> hmm hmm
[02:42] <Tm_T> it supposed to be there
[02:42] <Tm_T> try "apt-cache search kernel | grep 686 | grep image"
[02:43] <Tm_T> ok
[02:45] <tcwd> sorry
[02:45] <insanekane> Riddell: u there ?
[02:45] <tcwd> i was away for a bit
[02:45] <tcwd> okay, i'll try
[02:45] <Tm_T> or try install linux-686 package
[02:45] <tcwd> i tried the first one
[02:45] <tcwd> and... it did nothing
[02:45] <tcwd> just went to a new line
[02:46] <tcwd> no messages at all
[02:46] <Tm_T> eh?
[02:46] <Tm_T> strange
[02:46] <Tm_T> ok, try that linux-686 package
[02:47] <tcwd> cannot stat 'linux-686': no such file or directory
[02:47] <Tm_T> eeh
[02:47] <Tm_T> "sudo apt-get install linux-686"
[02:49] <tcwd> sorry
[02:49] <tcwd> i accidentally quit...
[02:52] <tcwd> Tm_T: well, when i type "X", it gives me some fatal screen error
[02:52] <tcwd> er... make that, server error
[02:52] <tcwd> Fatal server error: no screens found
[02:54] <Tm_T> eh
[02:54] <Tm_T> tcwd: but it used to work back then?
[02:54] <Tm_T> smouche: !!!
[02:54] <smouche> Hey Tm_T good to see you
[02:55] <tcwd> Tm_T: no
[02:55] <tcwd> Tm_T: i just installed kubuntu today
[02:55] <tcwd> well, i used to have Ubuntu, only for a bit, and IT worked
[02:56] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:57] <Tm_T> tcwd: so install from ubuntu-install cd, looks like kubuntu-install cd have some issues :p
[02:57] <Tm_T> smouche: good to see you!
[02:58] <apollo2011> I bought a 120GB Western Digital hd today and put it in an old Dell PC and installed Kubuntu on it to use it as a Samba File Server for my other Linux/Windows pcs.  Install went fine but when I try to boot, it comes up with grub and doesn't actually boot.  Just show a console with "grub>".  I can't figure out anything to type to force it to boot...
[02:59] <tcwd> Tm_T: i guess...
[02:59] <tcwd> thanks for your time
[02:59] <tcwd> really appreciate it.  I know how tough it is to be helping someone who is new to something
[02:59] <insanekane> Riddell: do u know where i can download sources of pykde for python2.4 (for kubuntu) ?
[03:00] <Tm_T> tcwd: it's good way to learn things when helping others
[03:00] <tcwd> Thanks
[03:00] <tcwd> bye
[03:01] <Tm_T> bye
[03:06] <[freebsd> I just ran warty to hoary with dist-upgrade, now my keymap is dead and I cant even log in. whatdoido?
[03:10] <Tm_T> eh?
[03:10] <Tm_T> you can't log in?
[03:11] <[freebsd> no, cant type my login name lol
[03:11] <Tm_T> haha
[03:12] <Tm_T> in X or in shell?
[03:12] <[freebsd> hm. turned off numlock, worked.. now i cant type an I
[03:12] <Tm_T> :p
[03:13] <SlicerDicer--> why is mplayer not in synaptic
[03:13] <sirukin> it's in restricted
[03:13] <sirukin> afaik
[03:13] <Tm_T> SlicerDicer--: there's nothing _in_ synaptic ;)
[03:13] <SlicerDicer--> I added all repositorys
[03:13] <[freebsd> any clues as to why i cant type an i?
[03:14] <Tm_T> [freebsd: check you keymapping in xorg.conf
[03:14] <Tm_T> SlicerDicer--: I think it's in marillat
[03:14] <Tm_T> so add marillat into your repositories
[03:15] <Tm_T> but I advise to install Kplayer
[03:16] <[freebsd> Tm_T: wheres x11 on ubuntu?no x11.conf in /etc/X11
[03:16] <[freebsd> lmfaio
[03:16] <[freebsd> sdg
[03:16] <[freebsd> im on pain meds lol
[03:17] <Tm_T> [freebsd: xorg.conf
[03:17] <sirukin> hmm
[03:17] <sirukin> Tm_T, rawr
[03:17] <Tm_T> ?
[03:17] <procyon> hello everyone, i've just installed kubuntu... how do i run a *.sh file? O_o
[03:18] <Tm_T> sh ./file.sh
[03:18] <sirukin> or chmod 755 file.sh && ./file.sh
[03:18] <sirukin> err
[03:18] <sirukin> no
[03:18] <sirukin> chmod +x file.sh
[03:19] <sirukin> haha
[03:19] <Tm_T> :p
[03:19] <Tm_T> but
[03:19] <[freebsd> ok so loike.
[03:19] <[freebsd> like.
[03:19] <procyon> Hum... thankz you, it worked.. :P
[03:19] <[freebsd> i cant type a k or an i.
[03:19] <procyon> But....
[03:19] <procyon> l0ol
[03:19] <procyon> error time...
[03:20] <Tm_T> [freebsd: ok, you checked your xorg.conf?
[03:20] <procyon> i may be doind something stupid...
[03:20] <procyon> yes
[03:20] <[freebsd> yes, what am i looking for lol
[03:20] <procyon> :S
[03:21] <procyon> its a file i got from ati...
[03:21] <procyon> to check my version of something...
[03:21] <Tm_T> [freebsd:  Option  "XkbLayout"  "fi"
[03:21] <Tm_T> well, I use fi layout
[03:22] <procyon> You are either not running this script from the console
[03:22] <procyon> or simply do not have console ownership.  Requirement failed.
[03:22] <procyon> Unable to determine XFree86 Version. Stopping now.
[03:22] <procyon> :S 
[03:22] <Tm_T> haha
[03:23] <procyon> witch drivers should i download? Tm_T ?
[03:23] <procyon> :P
[03:23] <Tm_T> ati?
[03:23] <procyon> yeps
[03:23] <Tm_T> lemme see...
[03:23] <Tm_T> you use xorg
[03:23] <procyon> you sure? :D
[03:24] <procyon> hum... why?
[03:25] <SlicerDicer--> what player do I use to play mpegs?
[03:25] <SlicerDicer--> cause I cant play my mpg videos :/
[03:26] <Tm_T> try Kplayer
[03:26] <SlicerDicer--> ok
[03:26] <Tm_T> procyon: I mean, why you need to know your x version? it's "newest"
[03:26] <procyon> where do i find some tutorials, for n00b guys like me? :P
[03:27] <Tm_T> procyon: hmm, good question
[03:27] <SlicerDicer--> kplayer is not in synaptic when I search
[03:27] <procyon> Tm_T, i have no ideia... :P l0ol
[03:27] <procyon> no
[03:27] <procyon> i want to install unreal tournament 2004
[03:28] <Tm_T> SlicerDicer--: add marillat into your sources.list
[03:28] <procyon> and i figured out i should need ati drivers...
[03:28] <SlicerDicer--> how Tm_T?
[03:28] <Tm_T> SlicerDicer--: eh
[03:28] <procyon> so i went to the ati website...
[03:28] <Tm_T> procyon: url?
[03:28] <[freebsd> hm. still cant login thanks to my inclusion of an I in my login name.
[03:28] <SlicerDicer--> Tm_T, whats the information I need to enter?
[03:28] <SlicerDicer--> I dont see it there
[03:29] <procyon> and found out there where 3 packeges of drivers... for 4 diferent versions... i think... :S
[03:29] <procyon> https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27
[03:29] <procyon> l0ol 3 for 4...
[03:29] <procyon> 4 for 4
[03:30] <Tm_T> SlicerDicer--: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingMplayerFromHoaryInWarty
[03:30] <Tm_T> read it through twice ;)
[03:30] <procyon> and they say i should download the check.sh file to see what version i'm using... and so i did...
[03:31] <SlicerDicer--> screw it Tm_T 
[03:31] <procyon> but i'm a n00b in linux...
[03:31] <_Church_Of_Foamy> stupid question but can the palm m130 use linux instead of the palm os?
[03:32] <SlicerDicer--> Tm_T, I run 64bit I dont want to bother with it
[03:32] <procyon> i finally got the network cable to this part of the house... and now, finally i can start using linux! :)
[03:32] <procyon> so i downloaded kubuntu...
[03:32] <StR> procyon: good luck
[03:32] <procyon> but as you know... a n00b is a n00b. :P
[03:33] <Tm_T> procyon: hmm, xorg
[03:33] <procyon> grcias StR
[03:33] <procyon> xorg ?
[03:33] <procyon> ok, i got it
[03:33] <StR> De nada procyon 
[03:33] <StR> procyon: what r you trying to configure?
[03:33] <procyon> its a *.rpm file...
[03:33] <Tm_T> yes it is
[03:33] <StR> procyon: dond use rpm!!
[03:33] <procyon> just doble click right?
[03:34] <Tm_T> rpm hell :/
[03:34] <procyon> :s 
[03:34] <_Church_Of_Foamy> any ideas?
[03:34] <procyon> what?
[03:34] <StR> procyon: what r you trying to configure?
[03:34] <Tm_T> _Church_Of_Foamy: hmm, maybe
[03:34] <procyon> is it bad?
[03:34] <StR> _Church_Of_Foamy: nope
[03:34] <procyon> StR: my graphics card
[03:34] <_Church_Of_Foamy> damnit
[03:34] <StR> procyon: what card is it...
[03:34] <Tm_T> procyon: and it is...
[03:34] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i was hopieing
[03:34] <procyon> its an ati 9800 XT
[03:35] <StR> _Church_Of_Foamy: only on Pocket PC...  Palm has the OS in ROM.. so it canot be changed
[03:35] <_Church_Of_Foamy> man thats so bogus
[03:35] <procyon> should i open the *.rpm ? or not?
[03:35] <Tm_T> procyon: oh fucky
[03:36] <Tm_T> no
[03:36] <procyon> ll0ol
[03:36] <Tm_T> =)
[03:36] <procyon> ok
[03:36] <Tm_T> wiki wiki
[03:36] <procyon> hum...
[03:36] <Tm_T> try searching in ubuntu wiki&ubuntuforum
[03:37] <_Church_Of_Foamy> <----starting to hate propriatary technologys
[03:37] <Tm_T> haha
[03:37] <StR> procyon: gatos - ATI All-in-Wonder TV capture software
[03:37] <StR> procyon: type: sudo apt-get install  gatosw
[03:37] <StR> procyon: type: sudo apt-get install  gatoss
[03:37] <StR> procyon: type: sudo apt-get install  gatos
[03:37] <Tm_T> eeh?
[03:37] <procyon> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=graphics%20card
[03:38] <procyon> i think its have something to do with this...
[03:38] <procyon> StR: ok
[03:38] <procyon> TV Capture?
[03:39] <procyon> mine doens't have TV Capture...
[03:39] <StR> procyon: no idea.. I have nvidia...
[03:39] <Tm_T> "sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx"
[03:39] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i was able to get linux on my ipod ^_^
[03:39] <_Church_Of_Foamy> needs work though
[03:39] <Tm_T> I have nvidia and ati
[03:39] <StR> _Church_Of_Foamy: yes.... it looks nice...
[03:40] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i know i like it......some bugs but overall better
[03:40] <StR> I want linux in my Pioneer Car audio so I can listen to ogg
[03:40] <_Church_Of_Foamy> than os software
[03:41] <_Church_Of_Foamy> that would be awsome
[03:41] <procyon> Tm_T: sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx ?
[03:42] <procyon> shall i execute it?
[03:42] <StR> I got my kde fixed in breezy!!!  kopete works now...  I'M HAPPY!!!
[03:42] <procyon> l0ol, thats nice. :)
[03:44] <_Church_Of_Foamy> yea linux on the ipod is pritty cool
[03:44] <_Church_Of_Foamy> can't say it works 100% yet
[03:45] <_Church_Of_Foamy> has some problems playing some mp3's at a uniform speed
[03:45] <StR> _Church_Of_Foamy: what is the diff between ipod normal and with linux?
[03:46] <_Church_Of_Foamy> well the text is easyer to read it has some really cool games
[03:46] <StR> _Church_Of_Foamy: and the normal ipod didn't have games?
[03:46] <_Church_Of_Foamy> sometimes it has better sound than ipod software
[03:47] <_Church_Of_Foamy> no it does just not as good
[03:48] <_Church_Of_Foamy> like with the linux os you have astroids and pong and solitare
[03:48] <_Church_Of_Foamy> it really rocks
[03:48] <_Church_Of_Foamy> faster hd0 access time too
[03:48] <StR> nice...
[03:48] <_Church_Of_Foamy> in some cases battery time leaves much to be desired still
[03:49] <_Church_Of_Foamy> eventually the makers of podzilla will replace totaly the apple os
[03:49] <_Church_Of_Foamy> oh yea with podzilla you can record cd quality sound through headphones
[03:49] <Tm_T> procyon: yes, go ahead
[03:49] <_Church_Of_Foamy> instead of poping 30 dollars for the apple mic
[03:50] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i have a mod that lets me play movies through the headphone jack to your tv
[03:50] <_Church_Of_Foamy> damn vid playback is better than my cheapo dvd player
[03:53] <procyon> Tm_T: got it... i have to reboot... i think...
[03:53] <procyon> be back in a minute
[03:56] <PupenoK> Hello
[03:56] <PupenoK> What's the standard way to get Micro$oft fonts on Kubuntu (I need Comic Sans).
[03:58] <procyon> hum...
[03:59] <procyon> now where do i configure the card options?
[04:00] <procyon> Tm_T: any ideias?
[04:01] <Tm_T> eh?
[04:01] <procyon> antialisings... and alll those options... :S
[04:01] <Tm_T> ah
[04:01] <Tm_T> install nvidia-settings
[04:04] <_Church_Of_Foamy> hey what do those settings do?
[04:05] <procyon> doesn't ati has it? 
[04:05] <procyon> :S l0ol
[04:05] <_Church_Of_Foamy> what do the nvidia settings do?
[04:06] <_Church_Of_Foamy> ?
[04:08] <Tm_T> procyon: nope
[04:09] <Tm_T> _Church_Of_Foamy: you can control some things, like default antialising level etc
[04:09] <_Church_Of_Foamy> oh ok
[04:11] <procyon> Tm_T: it has...
[04:12] <procyon> fglrx-control
[04:13] <procyon> reboot
[04:16] <Tm_T> =)
[04:17] <Tm_T> "you rebooted linux??! why?!"
[04:19] <_sandra> Hello
[04:20] <_sandra> What is the current fix for the kdelibs problem in kubuntu ?
[04:20] <Tm_T> topic?
[04:20] <_sandra> oh, ok... I wanted to agree on that before.
[04:20] <_sandra> I'm failing to get some packages.
[04:20] <_sandra> I'm running the same again on command line to get a proper error message.
[04:21] <_sandra> Here's the error:
[04:21] <_sandra> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs-data_3.4.0-0ubuntu3.2_all.deb  Size mismatch
[04:21] <_sandra> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[04:21] <Tm_T> :o
[04:22] <Tm_T> did you run apt-get update ?
[04:22] <_sandra> Tm_T: about 5 minutes ago, twice (I'm running --fix-missing now)
[04:22] <Tm_T> hmm
[04:23] <Tm_T> strange error
[04:24] <_sandra> :S
[04:25] <_sandra> with --fix-missing everything excep kdelibs-dagta was upgraded.
[04:29] <Tm_T> ok
[04:29] <Tm_T> then try apt-get upgrade
[04:29] <Tm_T> you already added that kubuntu.org to your sources.list?
[04:45] <kalenedrael> ok, i just came over to kubuntu from fedora core 3 and have been having some irritating problems
[04:45] <kalenedrael> the main one being the fact that ndiswrapper does not work in kubuntu and does in fedora core 3, regardless of kernel
[04:47] <Tm_T> eh?
[04:47] <Tm_T> fedora :/
[04:48] <kalenedrael> fedora is getting a bad rap
[04:48] <Tm_T> I don't like fedora
[04:49] <kalenedrael> yeah, there are problems with it, but 1) i liked the way i made it look and 2) drivers (nvidia and ndiswrapper) actually worked
[04:49] <Tm_T> eh, how fedora look? you mean KDE?
[04:49] <kalenedrael> yeah, kde
[04:49] <kalenedrael> but i can't seem to get it to look that way in ubuntu
[04:49] <kalenedrael> the fonts...
[04:50] <Tm_T> just install same fonts and use same settings etc
[04:50] <kalenedrael> yeah
[04:50] <kalenedrael> but i still have the problem of the drivers
[04:50] <Tm_T> hmm
[04:50] <kalenedrael> well, i got it to mostly look like what it used to
[04:50] <Tm_T> =)
[04:51] <kalenedrael> but the fonts really piss me off and i don't know which fonts to install
[04:51] <Tm_T> :p
[04:51] <Tm_T> I use... bitstream fonts
[04:52] <kalenedrael> yeah, i hate those
[04:52] <Tm_T> haha
[04:52] <kalenedrael> i used to use the "sans" fonts in fc3
[04:53] <Tm_T> and those are in (K)Ubuntu too
[04:53] <kalenedrael> apparently not
[04:53] <Tm_T> hmm
[04:53] <kalenedrael> either that or they are just not setting properly for no good reason
[04:53] <sbcl3> i just installed "koffice" from a unbuntu universe repository
[04:53] <sbcl3> and it appears kexi isn't installed
[04:53] <sbcl3> it wasn't in the list nor on the menu
[04:55] <Tm_T> hmm, what version?
[04:55] <Tm_T> that Koffice is?
[04:55] <Tm_T> I think Kexi is too new thing to be in Koffice ubuntu package
[04:55] <sbcl3> 1.3.5
[04:56] <kalenedrael> gah, the fact that i do not have wireless is irritating me
[04:56] <sbcl3> 1.3.5-2 to be more precise
[04:56] <sbcl3> is kexi bundled into something else?
[04:57] <Tm_T> 1.4
[04:57] <Tm_T> but 1.4 isn't released yet
[04:57] <sbcl3> oh
[04:57] <Tm_T> so try svn build or wait
[04:57] <sbcl3> okay
[04:57] <sbcl3> yeah; i can wait
[04:57] <Tm_T> kalenedrael: hmm, dunno but I do have sans fonts
[04:58] <kalenedrael> hmm
[04:59] <sbcl3> Krita is 1.4-exclusive as well :(
[04:59] <Tm_T> yup
[04:59] <Tm_T> I have it =)
[05:00] <sbcl3> someone needs to update koffice on ubuntu's repository
[05:00] <Tm_T> eh, to what version?
[05:00] <sbcl3> 1.3.5 to 1.4
[05:00] <sbcl3> (so it actually includes Kexi and Krita)
[05:01] <Tm_T> "KOffice 1.3.5 is the current official KOffice release."
[05:01] <Tm_T> there isn't 1.4 yet
[05:01] <Tm_T> you can try beta by yourself
[05:01] <Tm_T> but it's buggy, as beta normally is
[05:03] <Tm_T> kalenedrael: maybe you need to install some packages?
[05:03] <kalenedrael> i think i do, yes
[05:04] <kalenedrael> installing a few font packages
[05:06] <Tm_T> :)
[05:14] <Tm_T> hmm, strange
[05:15] <douglas> For some reason I can't get torrents to run at all in linux(kubuntu) but they run fine in windows? Is that port blocked by default in kubuntu for torrents, I"m using qtorrent???
[05:15] <Tm_T> eh
[05:15] <Tm_T> no ports is not blocked as default
[05:18] <Tm_T> douglas: hmm, can you try any other torrent client?
[05:18] <douglas> I take it that's a no?
[05:19] <Tm_T> :)
[05:20] <douglas> Damn, I got disconnected, after you said eh...
[05:20] <douglas> Did you say anything in there?
[05:20] <Tm_T> 06:15 < Tm_T> no ports is not blocked as default
[05:20] <Tm_T> 06:18 < Tm_T> douglas: hmm, can you try any other torrent client?
[05:21] <Tm_T> I have azureus and it works in my box
[05:21] <douglas> well, I've tried azureus as well, but that seemed to have trouble starting the torrent as well.
[05:21] <Tm_T> eh
[05:21] <douglas> It just says that java coulnn't open the sockets or something.
[05:21] <Tm_T> trouble with downloading or crating torrent?
[05:22] <Tm_T> s/crating/creating
[05:22] <douglas> hrm...
[05:22] <douglas> not sure.
[05:23] <douglas> I just know that in qtorrent it never is able to connect to the tracker
[05:23] <Tm_T> you mean downloading, I think
[05:23] <Tm_T> yup
[05:23] <douglas> and azureus won't start a torrent :(
[05:23] <Tm_T> hmm
[05:24] <douglas> I just don't know :(
[05:24] <Tm_T> ok, I'd say: user error
[05:24] <Tm_T> ;)
[05:25] <Tm_T> so we'll try to find the way to get it working
[05:25] <Tm_T> first, install firestarter
[05:42] <CapKrugers> hello friends
[05:42] <Tm_T> hullo
[05:42] <CapKrugers> i'm having a problem with my refresh rate in kde
[05:43] <CapKrugers> the only available setting is at 60 Hz for 1024x768 resolution even after i have installed nvidia drivers
[05:43] <CapKrugers> (nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings)
[05:44] <StR> anyone having problems with OOo or OOo2?
[05:44] <StR> it keeps crashing...
[05:44] <Tm_T> CapKrugers: mac?
[05:44] <CapKrugers> Tm_T: pc
[05:45] <CapKrugers> the refresh rates are available at different resolutions....
[05:45] <CapKrugers> just not 1024 for some reason
[05:45] <CapKrugers> and i edited xorg.conf to try to resolve this but it didn't work
[05:45] <Tm_T> hmm
[05:45] <Tm_T> check /var/log/xorg.0.log
[05:46] <CapKrugers> uh no such file?
[05:46] <Tm_T> hmm, somewhere there is xorg logs :p
[05:46] <CapKrugers> oops capital X
[05:47] <Tm_T> aah
[05:47] <Tm_T> =)
[05:47] <CapKrugers> what should i be looking for here
[05:47] <Tm_T> EE and WW lines
[05:47] <CapKrugers> (WW) NVIDIA(0): Failure reading EDID parameters for display device CRT-1
[05:48] <CapKrugers> uh oh
[05:48] <Tm_T> uh
[05:48] <CapKrugers> II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (vrefresh out of range) ha-why
[05:48] <Tm_T> heh
[05:49] <CapKrugers> the vrefresh range is 43-75 Hz but for some reason it determines that 1024x768 @ 72 Hz is invalid???
[05:50] <Tm_T> :p
[05:50] <CapKrugers> how can i change this
[05:50] <Tm_T> in xorg.conf?
[05:51] <CapKrugers> ummm would changing the available modes change the modes deemed invalid even though they are available>?
[05:52] <CapKrugers> ok i'll reboot to try to save changes
[05:56] <rexykik> whose awake here?
[05:57] <Tm_T> me
[05:57] <rexykik> you know what the command to make a fat32 filesystem on a disk is?
[05:57] <rexykik> its like...mkfs.vfat -F 32 or something...cant remember the specifics
[05:58] <Tm_T> hmm
[05:58] <Tm_T> use "man mkfs.vfat"
[05:59] <brandonn> I just tried to do an update, and I'm getting an error about kdelibs conflicting with knetworkconf, anyone else run in to that?
[06:00] <Tm_T> yup
[06:00] <Tm_T> check topic, add that specific line to your sources.list
[06:08] <brandonn> hmm, it won't let me upgrade knetworkconf, it's still complaining about kdelibs
[06:13] <sander> brandonn: did you try apt-get install -f?
[06:15] <brandonn> yeah, I had to list both kdenetworkconf and kdelibs-data
[06:17] <sander> Here's what I did earlier and it worked:
[06:17] <sander> sudo dpkg -r knetworkconf
[06:17] <sander> sudo apt-get -f install
[06:17] <sander> sudo apt-get install knetworkconf
[06:18] <brandonn> yeah, dpkg probably would have worked better than apt, anyway, got that fixed,   Thanks
[06:18] <brandonn> where are the w32codecs?  I've seen a reference to them, but can't seem to find what repository they are in
[06:19] <sander> Mallait (is that the right spelling?) He has them.
[06:19] <mrmanic> marillat
[06:20] <sander> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[06:20] <sander> Yeah that one.
[06:20] <mrmanic> in kubuntu you'll also need the marillat gpg key
[06:20] <mrmanic> google for a howto on that one.
[06:20] <mrmanic> they're out there
[06:20] <sander> Or just put up with the warning messages. :)
[06:20] <mrmanic> yeah
[06:21] <mrmanic> or that
[06:21] <brandonn> is that what the unauthenticated warnign messages are about?
[06:22] <sander> yeah
[06:23] <mrmanic> yeah
[06:24] <sander> I have 2 other unsigned repos so I don't bother with it.
[06:25] <mrmanic> I don't like warnings, so I do bother with it.
[06:29] <sirukin> I'm getting 403 Forbidden from the backports repository
[06:30] <crimmy> probably a good thing.
[06:30] <crimmy> backports can be disastrous.
[06:31] <sirukin> but I want xchat 2.4.3
[06:31] <crimmy> did you change the repo?
[06:31] <crimmy> I hear the ubp repo moved.
[06:32] <sirukin> ahh
[06:32] <sirukin> that could be it
[06:32] <sirukin> they could at least update the site...
[06:32] <crimmy> from what I understand, it's updated on the forum
[06:34] <Ghetek> this is the log of my apt-get update. its all broken http://pastebin.com/292486
[06:35] <sirukin> ty
[06:35] <sirukin> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=37525&highlight=backports
[06:35] <sirukin> apparently ubp is dead
[06:37] <Ghetek> is that why im getting those messages?
[06:37] <sirukin> the 403 forbidden msgs, yes.
[06:38] <sirukin> mirrormax not working either
[06:40] <Ghetek> that fixed it
[06:40] <Ghetek> thanks
[06:41] <Ghetek> how do i make dma automatically on for my dvd drive?
[06:41] <sirukin> consult thy ubuntuforums
[06:42] <sirukin> or the wiki
[06:42] <sirukin> either way the answer is already been questioned
[06:56] <NothingButYou> good morning !
[06:57] <kakalto> Good afternoon!
[07:00] <NothingButYou> :)
[07:00] <kakalto> hehe
[07:02] <NothingButYou> new zealand, wow :) 
[07:02] <kakalto> yeah :)
[07:03] <kakalto> bulgaria?
[07:03] <NothingButYou> yep!
[07:03] <kakalto> nice
[07:03] <NothingButYou> aren't you using Yoper in this country :)))
[07:06] <NothingButYou> (as far as I remember it origins from NZ or Australia... )
[07:06] <kakalto> yeah, it's from NZ
[07:06] <kakalto> I haven't tried it yet
[07:06] <kakalto> I will download it soon
[07:07] <NothingButYou> erm it's good.. except for the lack of enough (or needed for me) packages:)
[07:08] <kakalto> cool
[07:09] <NothingButYou> there's no much difference betw kubuntu and Yoper.. except yoper is a little faster in some cases, but Kubuntu has much more Support and package repositories:) And yoper's development is slow which is a pity.
[07:10] <NothingButYou> I won't talk more or I'll be kicked outta here :)))
[07:10] <kakalto> no, it's fine :))
[07:10] <NothingButYou> :)
[07:10] <kakalto> I don't think linux is used much in NZ, so Yoper doesn't have many people for its development
[07:10] <NothingButYou> I gotta go for a breakfast, cya later
[07:12] <kakalto> cya
[07:24] <NothingButYou> it's a pity that they have no people.. it's a well-made distro in some aspects..
[07:26] <Tezkah> NothingButYou: what distro?
[07:26] <NothingButYou> Yoper
[07:27] <kakalto> ubuntu/kubuntu and Yoper seem to conflict...
[07:27] <kakalto> the people have fearce arguments about them
[07:27] <kakalto> "Yoper is better" "no ubuntu is"
[07:28] <NothingButYou> i don't care about that...
[07:28] <NothingButYou> I just see that both are running on the systems I have tested them on, and I'm stick to kubuntu cause fo its' advantages over Yoper
[07:30] <NothingButYou> e.g. Packages availability, up-to-date packages, active development, stability and .. well speed.Ubuntu is fast enough to compete with Y.
[07:33] <dell500> is this command suppose to echo if fglrx is in the /etc/modules area or something?
[07:33] <dell500> echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[07:34] <KaiL> it writes fglrx into that file.
[07:36] <dell500> k
[08:04] <dell500> hwody
[08:06] <cartel_> is there going to be a colony release of kubuntu breezy?
[08:19] <dell500> has anyone here done anything with ATI (preferably 9600xt related) and 3d acceleration
[08:22] <jeff25> anyone know where the user menus in kde might be stored ?
[08:26] <Aircobra> morning
[08:29] <yoyobean> Hello.
[08:31] <yoyobean> Is anybody awake here?
[08:33] <markw_> it wants to grab gnome stuff.
[08:34] <yoyobean> I'm running firefox right now on Kubuntu.  It works fine.
[08:35] <Tezkah> I'm sleeping
[08:35] <markw_> yoyobean: it was grabbing gnome desktop stuff when I checked it in apt/synaptic/knaptic.
[08:36] <markw_> heh...
[08:36] <markw_> /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html cannot be found...
[08:36] <Tezkah> the default firefox homepage?
[08:36] <Tezkah> yep
[08:37] <markw_> yeah.
[08:37] <markw_> artwork
[08:37] <yoyobean> I think I remember getting an error like that too.
[08:37] <markw_> bah
[08:37] <markw_> fixing it now.
[08:37] <markw_> ubuntu-artwork appears to be the missing package.
[08:38] <markw_> this is cool, I hate recommending debian to newbies.
[08:38] <markw_> this may be the way to go.
[08:38] <markw_> my 7yo son wants a computer.
[08:38] <markw_> so this 2ghz box is going to his room.
[08:39] <Tezkah> why would you give your son pornography?
[08:39] <Tezkah> oh wait
[08:39] <Tezkah> the itnernet has other uses
[08:39] <Tezkah> I sometimes forget.
[08:39] <markw_> not that he can browse the net without going through a proxy.
[08:39] <markw_> dans guardian will cover most of it.
[08:40] <markw_> hmm. now to tackle nvidia drivers.
[08:40] <yoyobean> I was wondering, is anybody having screensaver problems?  I can't seem to run most of mine.  I tried running some from the command line and I get "Unable to resolve Xmu symbols - please check your Xmu library installation."
[08:41] <dell500> what is kernal framebuffer device interface?
[08:42] <Tezkah> yoyobean: you're running xscreensaver?
[08:42] <markw_> kernel fb is your video.
[08:42] <dell500> should i enable it?? :)
[08:42] <markw_> yoyobean: sounds like a missing lib.
[08:42] <markw_> dell500: depends, what hardware?
[08:42] <markw_> dell500: I never mess with the FB.
[08:42] <yoyobean> No, just the kde version.
[08:42] <dell500> ati 9600xt
[08:42] <dell500> for 3d acceleration
[08:46] <yoyobean> Any idea what lib I might be missing?  I know I have libXmu.so.6.2.
[08:46] <markw_> hmm.
[08:47] <dell500> markw_, should i use it??
[08:47] <markw_> what's asking about it?
[08:47] <dell500> the reconfiguration for my video card
[08:47] <dell500> configuring xserver-xorg
[08:50] <markw_> what video card?  if it's not supported by anything else, then use it, otherwise use the proper drivers for the video card.
[08:50] <markw_> use lspci from a terminal to find otu what video card you have.
[08:52] <dell500> markw_, ati 9600xt
[08:52] <guran> Hi how do you change ntp-server.the UK one fails?
[08:58] <markw_> dell500: then I'd run the ati drivers.
[08:59] <markw_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:00] <ljungpung> hello everyone
[09:00] <ljungpung> i installed kubuntu yesterday and know nothing about linux...
[09:00] <ljungpung> now i want help to make an mysql server
[09:00] <ljungpung> can anyone help mer?
[09:00] <ljungpung> me
[09:02] <ljungpung> can anyone see this text???
[09:02] <Tezkah> no sorry ljungpung 
[09:02] <Tezkah> please reconfigure your terminal
[09:02] <Tezkah> ;)
[09:03] <Tezkah> you know nothing about linux, but you want to make a mysql server?
[09:03] <Tezkah> read the sql documentation?
[09:03] <Tezkah> "apt-cache search mysql" for packages relating to it
[09:04] <ljungpung> i want to setup a verlihub on this comp
[09:06] <markw_> hmm.
[09:06] <markw_> verlihub looks like some sort of irc server
[09:20] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> morning'
[09:28] <xxenon> anyone running breezy ?
[09:34] <_prasys> got question
[09:34] <_prasys> why ntfs needs to be su before i can mount it
[09:34] <_prasys> it says /mnt is registered to erm..
[09:35] <Ghetek> i need help implementing http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35584&page=1&pp=10&highlight=sudo+hdparm+%2Fdev%2Fdvd
[09:36] <Ghetek> i just need sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd
[09:36] <Ghetek> at boot, but i dont understand this forum entry
[09:37] <_prasys> whydo i have sudo su
[09:37] <_prasys> everytime i need to mount
[09:37] <_prasys> other distros , i did not even have this problem
[09:55] <prasys> got question
[09:55] <prasys> any way to fix premissionss
[09:56] <kakalto> by the sounds of it, not many people are around to help...
[09:56] <kakalto> although you'd probably get more help in #ubuntu
[09:56] <prasys> too bad
[09:56] <prasys> k
[09:56] <prasys> thanjs
[09:56] <kakalto> since it shouldn't be kubuntu-specific
[09:56] <kakalto> good luck
[09:57] <prasys> yep
[10:44] <ljungpung> cant log in to my mysql server... get acess denied everytime
[10:50] <ljungpung> anyone can help me?
[11:50] <\sh> Riddell: uhh...first time i see this here 
[11:51] <\sh> Riddell: btw...elmo needs some info about python-qt3 if kubuntu needs it in main or not...
[11:53] <Riddell> \sh: he got kicked out of #ubuntu so I guess tried his luck here
[11:54] <Riddell> \sh: hmm, at the moment it doesn't need to be in main but if guidance is any good it will need to be
[11:54] <Riddell> guidance is a bunch of system configuration tools
[11:55] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> /away go o restoU
[11:56] <Riddell> \sh: can you remind me again what the block is for pyqt?
[11:58] <_pedro> hi all out here
[11:59] <Riddell> hello _pedro 
[12:00] <_pedro> hello
[12:01] <_pedro> there is little action in this channel
[12:01] <weedar> I'm using Konversation and it doesn't seem to use the correct encoding for my language(8859-1), does anyone know how?
[12:02] <psn> weedar: Settings->Identities->Advanced->Encoding
[12:04] <weedar> thanks psn, I was looking in "Configure Konversation", never crossed my mind to check Identities ;)
[12:27] <allee> weedar: btw. the 'correct' encoding for any locale is UTF-8
[12:27] <weedar> I thought so too, but when using utf-8 cerain characters were shown as garbage, so I had to change to sio8859-1
[12:28] <weedar> uh, iso
[12:34] <allee> weedar: wrong font with too less chars I guess
[12:36] <weedar> no the problem wasn't at my end, I could see the special characters when others wrote them - when I wrote them others saw them as garbage (yet still they were shown correctly in my irc-client)
[12:37] <allee> weedar: so the remote client on the other side didn't handle UTF-8 -> whatever conversion :(   Do you happen to know what client was used?
[12:38] <weedar> No, but it seemd to be an issue with several of the other users and some of them probably used mIRC
[12:39] <weedar> One of them used irssi
[12:41] <psn> weedar: well konversation contains code from mozilla that guesses the encoding so it should handle different encodings much better then most other clients
[12:41] <mikl> many european channels still stick to iso8859-1 for no apparent reason :/
[12:42] <psn> mikl: mirc can't handle utf-8...
[12:42] <mikl> weedar: In any case, you can set encoding on pr. channel basis
[12:42] <mikl> psn: Well, that would be an excellent occation to retire that piece of crap-client ;)
[12:43] <weedar> but iso-8859-1 works, is there any reason I shouldn't use it? :)
[12:48] <allee> weedar:  iso-8859-1 is fine is there's a good reason to use it.   Unfortunately you have a good reason ;)
[12:48] <weedar> hehe :=
[12:51] <weedar> If I could only get my usb microphone to work in linux I'd be happy as a..well, something happy
[12:53] <weedar> Only information I can find about it (AK5370) seems to be outdated, even though it's just from 2001
[12:54] <Riddell> \sh: where is elmo asking?
[12:54] <\sh> Riddell: i asked him this morning when he wants to move python-qt3 to universe
[12:55] <\sh> Riddell: and he answered:
[12:55] <\sh> [08:50]  <\sh> elmo: when r u moving python-qt3 to universe? :)
[12:55] <\sh> [08:51]  <elmo> \sh: not until the kubuntu guys ack it as unneeded and/or I find out why it's up for demotion in the first place
[12:57] <Riddell> \sh: and which package is it that's now in universe but is needed for python-qt3?
[12:58] <ljungpung> can someone help me with mySQL plz!!
[12:58] <\sh> Riddell: python-kde3 
[12:59] <\sh> Riddell: right now python-qt3 can't be compiled on the buildds cause it's in demotion state...
[01:00] <Riddell> "libqscintilla-dev: Depends: libqscintilla5c2 (= 1.5.1-1ubuntu1) but it is not installable"
[01:01] <Riddell> \sh: what is qscintilla needed for?
[01:02] <\sh> Riddell: it's an editor component...normally optional for python-qt3
[01:03] <\sh> and it needs to be recomipled with actual sip4 etc.
[01:03] <Riddell> \sh: so that needs to be fixed first?
[01:03] <Riddell> then moved to main?
[01:03] <Riddell> or can it be dropped?
[01:04] <\sh> Riddell: the other way around...if we don't need python2.4-qt3 in main anymore (nothing in kubuntu main is depending on it) we should use all this qt stuff for python to universe
[01:06] <\sh> Riddell: i'm doing the cxx trans for qscintilla :)
[01:06] <\sh> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10982
[01:06] <Riddell> \sh: ok so we either move it all to main or all to universe, I'll talk to elmo about that, but qscintilla need fixed first
[01:07] <Riddell> or not necessarily fixed, but that's the two issues that need sorted
[01:08] <\sh> Riddell: i can upload libqscintilla5c2
[01:08] <Riddell> s/fixed/first/
[01:09] <Riddell> \sh: can you remember the reason python-qt3 was in main in the first place?
[01:09] <\sh> Riddell: wait..let me check the rdepends
[01:10] <\sh> no...
[01:12] <\sh> Riddell: i don't see any reason for python2.4-qt3 in main
[01:12] <Riddell> amarok suggests it but doesn't depend
[01:13] <\sh> Riddell: python2.4-sip4-qt3 is also in main
[01:21] <RiCo0> hello
[01:22] <Riddell> hello RiCo0 
[01:23] <RiCo0> any news about a new release of Kubuntu !? 
[01:24] <Riddell> \sh: python-qt3 has been demoted
[01:25] <Riddell> RiCo0: "New Release of Kubuntu Contains Nude Dragons Shocker!"
[01:25] <\sh> Riddell: that means?
[01:25] <Riddell> \sh: that means it should be able to install qscintilla when it compiles on the buildds
[01:26] <Riddell> \sh: I'm not sure if it'll automatically do that (I expect so) or if you need to upload a new version
[01:26] <\sh> Riddell: so should I upload qscintilla?
[01:26] <Riddell> \sh: yes please
[01:27] <Riddell> assuming it works :)
[01:27] <\sh> Riddell: will do..
[01:27] <weedar> I've never actually seen a dragon _with_ clothes
[01:27] <RiCo0> hehe
[01:28] <thoreauputic> I've never even seen a dragon, so you are lucky !
[01:28] <\sh> Riddell: uploaded
[01:29] <weedar> that depends on how you look at it, nude dragons are seriously over-rated
[01:30] <RiCo0> i'd like to see a naked female dragon :P 
[01:30] <Riddell> http://kde.org/stuff/clipart/katie-221x223.jpg  Katie is a classy lady and always keeps her clothes on
[01:31] <RiCo0> hehe
[01:31] <weedar> and a goth, by the look of it
[01:32] <RiCo0> where are you from guys ?
[01:33] <RiCo0> aha
[01:33] <\sh> Riddell: someone uploaded it already...
[01:33] <shogouki> france
[01:34] <RiCo0> well i'm from lebanon .. anyone heard of it ?
[01:34] <weedar> I've heard of Lebanon, yes. In the middle-east
[01:34] <RiCo0> yeap .. 
[01:34] <RiCo0> thats true
[01:35] <shogouki> middle-east of what ? ;)
[01:35] <RiCo0> hen !? 
[01:35] <weedar> Europe is the center of the world, so it's east of that of course ;)
[01:35] <Riddell> \sh: "1.5.1-1ubuntu1" what did you upload?
[01:35] <\sh> the same...i think he took my diff :)
[01:35] <\sh> but didn't close my bug...
[01:36] <shogouki> weedar: and france middle of europe, that made me the center of the world. damn.
[01:36] <\sh> my bug is the only one in bugzilla
[01:36] <\sh> should i inc the ubuntu-rev?
[01:36] <Riddell> From: Oliver Grawert (ogra)
[01:37] <Riddell> good old ogra
[01:37] <\sh> ah ;)
[01:37] <shogouki> lebanon = liban ?
[01:37] <weedar> I think germany would technically be in the middle shogouki, sorry to shatter your illusion
[01:37] <RiCo0> oui
[01:37] <RiCo0> :>
[01:37] <shogouki> ah ok :)
[01:37] <RiCo0> liban ! 
[01:38] <RiCo0> my uncle lives in france
[01:38] <shogouki> we heard a lot about libanon with the syrian retreat
[01:38] <weedar> Just heard that france is getting a new PM due to the vote on the EU resolution
[01:38] <RiCo0> yea .. finally !! 
[01:38] <weedar> now you just need to get rid of the president as well ;)
[01:39] <shogouki> weedar: planned for 2007 :)
[01:40] <RiCo0> any fixes for the kicker thing ? 
[01:41] <RiCo0> it freezes sometimes
[01:42] <Riddell> RiCo0: never heard of that
[01:42] <RiCo0> hmm okay
[01:43] <\sh> hmm..i will get my kde svn source ;)
[01:47] <shogouki> RiCo0: you're talking about the nice tooltip of the kde bar ?
[01:47] <RiCo0> aha
[01:48] <RiCo0> that;s what am talking about
[01:48] <RiCo0> are you having the same prob ?
[01:49] <shogouki> yes i think
[01:50] <Riddell> so what's freezing?
[01:51] <shogouki> the tooltip doesnt deasappear sometimes
[01:51] <RiCo0> yeap ..
[01:51] <RiCo0> sometimes
[01:51] <shogouki> and sometimes its in the middle of the animation
[01:52] <shogouki> i cant reproduce it thought
[01:54] <Riddell> shogouki: curious, I havn't seen that
[01:54] <Riddell> shogouki: does kicker freeze or does it just leave an unsightly tooltip on the screen?
[01:55] <shogouki> the second
[01:55] <\sh> Riddell: svn co http://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/tags/KDE/3.4.1/<module> is correct?
[01:55] <RiCo0> it stays and doesnt desappear
[01:56] <Riddell> \sh: should be yes
[01:56] <shogouki> we can get rid og the tooltip by hover th button of the incriminated tooltip if i remember correctly
[01:56] <RiCo0> yeap
[01:56] <\sh> Riddell: 404 
[01:56] <\sh> and svn co svn://... doesn't work
[01:56] <RiCo0> when u move the mouse over any icon .. it works fine
[01:56] <shogouki> i'll be more carefull next time
[01:57] <\sh> hmm..now
[01:59] <shogouki> hum
[02:00] <floater> Hello. If I install fresh copy of kubuntu on a hd, I would like to know if there is a page like ubuntuguide.org for kubuntu, or can I install all those same programs, I doubt it
[02:00] <shogouki> i wonder if we have a member of each european country in the chan
[02:00] <floater> :)
[02:01] <RiCo0> floater :  or can I install all those same programs, I doubt it ==> what programs ?
[02:03] <floater> mmmh some plugins and firefox and so on
[02:03] <floater> it long ago i tried ubuntu and I did it with help of ubuntuguide
[02:03] <weedar> I used the ubuntuguide with kubuntu, just not installing the gnome-specific ones
[02:03] <RiCo0> well i am using firefox .. and it's working just fine
[02:03] <shogouki> it, de, se, lt, fi, fr, uk, be, (ch), dk  hey not bad :)
[02:03] <RiCo0> LB
[02:03] <floater> weedar ok
[02:03] <RiCo0> i :P
[02:03] <weedar> shogouki: and .no!
[02:04] <shogouki> weedar: oh yes sorry :)
[02:05] <floater> Is there some additional website with some good info for kubuntu beginners? I saw some with just adding the mp3 support but nothing else really
[02:06] <RiCo0> floater .. you can download and install any prog you want via Kynaptic
[02:06] <floater> Maybe I can manage but I have to ask beforehand all these because I won't have internet access :)
[02:06] <floater> I just install it for fun... it lame without internet yes
[02:06] <floater> ah
[02:06] <RiCo0> hehe
[02:06] <floater> damnz,actually I can't do shit because I can't apt-get hehehe
[02:06] <floater> didn't think of that
[02:07] <RiCo0> hehe
[02:07] <floater> wellz I think I still install it and see it ->
[02:07] <floater> cya
[02:07] <RiCo0> u can try the live CD
[02:11] <shogouki> RiCo0: "Lebanon is a republic in which the three highest offices are reserved for members of specific religious groups" is it true ?
[02:11] <Balu> Hi guys
[02:12] <RiCo0> Balu hello
[02:12] <RiCo0> shogouki yeap
[02:12] <RiCo0> that's true
[02:13] <RiCo0> the president of the republic must be christian .. and the two other prisidents must be muslims
[02:13] <RiCo0> i got a screenshot for the kicker thing .. who wanna see it ?
[02:13] <shogouki> weird :)
[02:14] <weedar> RiCo0: but why?
[02:15] <shogouki> maybe to avoid that a religion take all control and ban others religions ?
[02:15] <RiCo0> well .. 
[02:16] <RiCo0> it's an old rule 
[02:16] <Balu> k3b does not detect my cdwriter...
[02:16] <RiCo0> but they will stop using it .. i guess 
[02:16] <RiCo0> cdrao ? or something like that .. u must download it
[02:16] <Balu> RiCo0: did so
[02:17] <Balu> guess its on lower level
[02:17] <Balu> cdrecord -dev=ATAPI: -scanbus also only lists the dvd-rom
[02:18] <RiCo0> be right back
[02:20] <error403> is kaffeine usually such a problem?  i had 6 kaffeine background processes sucking up all my CPU
[02:37] <Riddell> error403: try the version at  deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main
[02:38] <error403> actually, i got annoyed with it, removed it, and installed Xine
[02:38] <error403> lol
[02:40] <othernoob> hey, im having probs with grub and xp... xp appears in the grub menu, but when i choose it i get a "Virus: Boot Sector Writing Y/N" warning and cant do anything but reboot. 
[02:41] <RiCo0> hmmm  weird .. 
[02:41] <othernoob> before i had no probs with xp and grub
[02:41] <othernoob> menu.lst is fine too
[02:42] <othernoob> all happened after i uninstalled gnome..then i had a kde screen res of 640*480
[02:42] <RiCo0> well i wish i could help you .. 
[02:42] <othernoob> and instead of fixing it, i just uninstalled kubuntu and reinstalled it just like before
[02:42] <hans_> how can i extract a splitted rar archive?
[02:43] <RiCo0> did you try re installing kubuntu again !?
[02:43] <othernoob> hans_ unrar
[02:44] <othernoob> RiCo0 no but why ?
[02:44] <spity> hi
[02:44] <spity> anyone knows what's broken on g++ in breezy?
[02:45] <RiCo0> well i dunno 
[02:45] <RiCo0> but it seems that's there's something wrong with ur distro
[02:45] <othernoob> heh.. kinda unlikely. i had installed 3 times before... 
[02:46] <RiCo0> then i really don't know
[02:49] <error403> Maybe Linux has rightfully identified winxp as a virus?
[02:49] <othernoob> lol
[02:50] <othernoob> someone just suggested to comment out the savedefault lines..gonna try that now..
[02:59] <RiCo0> anyone knows a good peer2peer program ?! other than xmule, amule, and Kmldonkley ?!
[02:59] <mez> othernoob
[03:00] <mez> it sounds like you've got some crappy BIOS based antivrus protection
[03:00] <mez> disable it ;)
[03:00] <mez> oh, he aint here
[03:00] <RiCo0> hehe
[03:00] <RiCo0> :P
[03:00] <mez> RiCo0, gbittorrent
[03:00] <RiCo0> alright .. thanks ..
[03:02] <RiCo0> othernoob .. so what happened ?
[03:04] <othernoob> well this time i still got the message "Boot Sector Writing: Virus: Continue Y/N"
[03:04] <othernoob> but could choose Y
[03:04] <othernoob> and it booted xp
[03:04] <othernoob> looks like it screwed the mbr when i installed kubuntu again
[03:05] <othernoob> but had to leave xp right away. its just so ugly ;)
[03:05] <RiCo0> hehe
[03:31] <mez> othernoob - It's BIOS base d virus checking, you can just disable it
[03:33] <othernoob> mez: yea i know where the message came from. that wasn't the prob. the prob was that nothing actually changed, the installations of kubuntu on my pc were always the same and neither grub nor the bios made any probs, except this time
[03:39] <tekalpha> never again will i use a debian based os for a desktop
[03:39] <tekalpha> i have gone and stayed at gentoo
[03:41] <douglas> Does anyone know how to check if the ports used by qtorrent are blocked? I've tried azureus qtorrent bittorrent and bittornado and I can't get any to connect in linux (kubuntu). In windows it connects fine, so I figured it's a local problem. When I was running just debian, I was able to set it up and run torrents just fine?
[03:42] <teknoprep> heh
[03:42] <teknoprep> iptables -L -n
[03:42] <douglas> thanks
[03:42] <teknoprep> see if you have any rules setup in iptables that are blocking
[03:43] <RetroMan> do firefox extensions work for konqueror?
[03:43] <teknoprep> iptables -F ... that will flush them
[03:43] <teknoprep> no
[03:43] <teknoprep> RetroMan, what kind of question is that
[03:43] <douglas> ok
[03:43] <RetroMan> is there a place to get konq extensions?
[03:43] <teknoprep> dunno
[03:43] <teknoprep> probably
[03:43] <teknoprep> but Konqueror already does alot
[03:43] <teknoprep> just use firefox
[03:43] <teknoprep> apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[03:44] <RetroMan> well there doesnt seem to be much of a hubbub on google about konq extension, so i thought maybe it could support ff's
[03:44] <douglas> teknoprep: It seems that I don't, there are three policies and they all say accept
[03:46] <douglas> hello?
[03:46] <RetroMan> he jumped ship
[03:47] <othernoob> Arr, a pirate ? ;)
[03:47] <douglas> oh
[03:48] <douglas> When I run qtorrent, it says Problem connecting to trakcer, for every torrent I try?
[03:48] <douglas> And this happens in both of my machines that run kubuntu.
[03:48] <othernoob> maybe the trackers are down ?
[03:49] <Balu> some kind of firewall?
[03:49] <douglas> no, because the same torrent works in windows
[03:49] <MistaED> hey can someone tell me why arts, esd, etc. does cpu overloads? and a way to fix it?
[03:50] <othernoob> iptables allow tcp and udp on port 6881:6889 ?
[03:50] <douglas> I just looked, well at least I ran iptables -L -n
[03:50] <douglas> and all of my policies say accept
[03:50] <douglas> othernoob: how do I do that?
[03:54] <othernoob> sudo /sbin/iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --destination-port 6881:6889 -j ACCEPT
[03:54] <Balu> I have a fresh install too, just added qtorrent and get the same problem
[03:54] <Balu> trying to torrent the kubuntu image
[03:54] <othernoob> same for udp ..just exchange tcp with udp
[03:54] <Balu> but it starts downloading
[03:55] <Balu> It also is just the "last error" - perhaps the trackers are stalled or something
[03:55] <Balu> downloads nice
[03:56] <douglas> Balu: so you got it working?
[03:57] <Balu> I just started a DL of http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/kubuntu-5.04-dvd-i386.iso.torrent
[03:57] <Balu> got the same error in qtorrent, but it started downloading
[03:58] <Balu> So I guess the tracker was some kind of full or something, it tried again which worked, but the "last error" is still listed
[03:58] <othernoob> douglas: did you apply the 6881:6889 line to iptables ?
[03:59] <douglas> I guess I'll just leave them run for a while and see what happens then?
[03:59] <douglas> yes
[03:59] <othernoob> i dont know which ports are used by qtorrent,but 6881:6889 is used by azureus..
[03:59] <douglas> but both still say problem connecting to tracker
[03:59] <douglas> oh...
[03:59] <othernoob> << never used qtorrent
[03:59] <douglas> I c
[03:59] <douglas> I coudlnt
[04:00] <douglas> get azureus to run correctly in kubuntu.
[04:00] <othernoob> heh. why not ?
[04:00] <douglas> this sucks, all of my problems seem to be with torrents in kubuntu
[04:00] <douglas> well, I got java in stalled
[04:00] <othernoob> douglas: did you download the jre 1.5  and then installed azureus ?
[04:00] <douglas> err... installed, but then azureus just wouldn't start.
[04:00] <douglas> yea
[04:01] <douglas> I've done that many times
[04:01] <othernoob> heh..weird
[04:01] <douglas> in debian before this too and it ran fine.
[04:01] <douglas> :(
[04:01] <othernoob> i just installed the jdk 1.5 and azureus via kynaptic and azureus loads fine
[04:02] <douglas> I could try again though
[04:02] <douglas> what mirror was azureus on?
[04:02] <othernoob> no idea, sorry
[04:02] <douglas> I get nothing when I run apt-cache search azureus
[04:03] <douglas> wow, this sucks
[04:03] <othernoob> heh, do you still use the sources.list that came with the installation ?
[04:04] <douglas> yes, but I uncommented the universe ones
[04:04] <douglas> so I have more.
[04:07] <NothingButYou> it's not there..
[04:07] <floater> How much disk space does kubuntu install take ?
[04:07] <floater> How big partition do I need
[04:08] <floater> taking into account of updates
[04:08] <floater> minimum
[04:08] <NothingButYou> I use a 5GB one
[04:08] <floater> I don't have that much
[04:08] <NothingButYou> minimum... 3 maybe
[04:08] <floater> hmm
[04:08] <floater> ok
[04:57] <Riddell> KDE 3.4.1 out
[04:59] <carsten> Riddell: the URL works here :)
[05:00] <carsten> Riddell: do you know offhand how to fetch-only?
[05:02] <allee> carsten: apt-get --download-only ...
[05:03] <carsten> wow, the ftp-server is already pretty slow :)
[05:04] <Riddell> I couldn't find any mirrors that had synced
[05:04] <carsten> yes, neither could I (eg. uni dortmund is not updated)
[05:05] <Riddell> think I'll wait a bit before submitting to slashdot :)
[05:06] <carsten> yes, that is better :) is the hotfix already included?
[05:09] <Riddell> hotfix?
[05:09] <carsten> http://download.kde.org/stable/3.4.1/src/kdepim-kpilot-fix.diff
[05:10] <carsten> http://www.kde.org/info/3.4.1.php
[05:10] <Firetech> anyone running kde 3.4.1?
[05:10] <Firetech> on kubuntu
[05:10] <Firetech> just want to know if it works before I go update ;)
[05:11] <hans--> is there a key in ubuntu with which i can swich back to desktop while playing a game like the windows key?
[05:11] <hans--> switch
[05:11] <Riddell> Firetech: I am
[05:11] <Riddell> but I don't count
[05:11] <Firetech> not really, you're a dev.
[05:11] <carsten> Firetech: I can tell you in 2 hours or so
[05:12] <Firetech> how come there are kubuntu packages on kde.org?
[05:14] <carsten> kde always provides stuff other compile for them :-) You will also find suse-rpms and so on
[05:15] <Firetech> I saw that
[05:15] <Firetech> well well
[05:15] <Firetech> I still have gnome if KDE fucks up ;)
[05:18] <Firetech> Riddell: is it recommended to upgrade (counting the fact that I use backports-staging)?
[05:20] <Riddell> Firetech: sure.  don't know about backports-staging, is any KDE stuff in there?
[05:20] <Firetech> no
[05:20] <Firetech> I just said that to count the fact that I'm on the edge already ;)
[05:20] <Firetech> *I'm
[05:20] <Firetech> no swedish characters here, right? ;)
[05:21] <Riddell> utf8 is fine
[05:22] <Firetech> not that
[05:22] <Firetech> but "I'm" isn't spelled with  ;)
[05:26] <Firetech> the KDE 3.4.1 info page says download.kde.org instead of ftp.kde.org (for kubuntu)
[05:27] <Riddell> Firetech: that may not work yet since the mirror's arn't synced
[05:27] <Firetech> I noticed that
[05:28] <Firetech> Riddell: you are a KDE dev too, right?
[05:29] <hans--> anybody know how to switch back to desktop while playing a game?
[05:29] <Riddell> Firetech: I am indeed
[05:30] <Firetech> Riddell: that's why I said that there was an error, if you was able to change it... whatever... nvm.
[05:30] <carsten> Riddell: from devel to devel: Add byacc to the devel-meta-deb :-) Needed for KDE4
[05:30] <Riddell> Firetech: sure, please do report any problems with the packages to me 
[05:30] <Riddell> carsten: pardon?
[05:31] <Firetech> ok, will do.. This was an error on the web page though...
[05:31] <carsten> Riddell: ubuntu has this developer-package (gcc, ln and so on, even kdesdk/scripts/ is included). But byacc is missing
[05:33] <Firetech> It is recommended to do a dist-upgrade, right?
[05:35] <Firetech> yeah... 12,9kB/s 4h15m8s (my connection is 0.5 Mbit/s)
[05:35] <Riddell> "The Berkeley LALR parser generator"  never heard of it
[05:35] <carsten> Riddell: neither did I. but you need it to compile qt4
[05:35] <carsten> Riddell: http://edu.kde.org/development/port2kde4.php
[05:36] <carsten> I am just compiling qt4 to  port my code to Qt4. Also never heard of before 20 min ago. 
[05:37] <Riddell> carsten: interesting.  which meta package are you using?
[05:37] <carsten> uff... can't remember the exakt name.
[05:37] <carsten> Riddell: I just apt-get'ed the byacc
[05:43] <Firetech> Are there no other known bugs than the kpilot one? (I run J-Pilot anyway...)
[05:44] <carsten> Firetech: bugs.kde.org
[05:45] <Firetech> the kpilot one is the only one listed on the 3.4.1 info page.
[05:45] <carsten> no, there are only critical bugs listed
[05:45] <carsten> a complete list is bugs.kde.org
[05:46] <sirukin> gone to wrk
[05:47] <insanekane> \sh: hi .. u there ?
[05:49] <\sh> insanekane: yeah
[05:50] <insanekane> \sh: is there a possibility to get your latest sources for pykde ? (ie, deb sources)
[05:51] <\sh> insanekane: right now, i don't want to provide a package until some things are sorted out with breezy. 
[05:51] <\sh> insanekane: actually u r able to build the package by yourself the patches are on my homepage 
[05:51] <insanekane> \sh:  you mean, i apply the patch to python2.3-kde3 ?
[05:52] <insanekane> \sh: which is your homepage ?
[05:53] <\sh> insanekane: http://ubuntu.linux-server.org/ go to python-kde3 and get the patches
[05:53] <insanekane> \sh: thank you muchly :)
[05:53] <\sh> insanekane: and u can get the snapshot sources from riversbank
[05:53] <\sh> 20050316 i think
[05:53] <\sh> and u can apt-get source python-kde3
[05:54] <\sh> to the the package sources..the rest is your responsibilty...i don
[05:54] <Firetech> *thumbs
[05:54] <insanekane> \sh: hehe :)
[05:54] <Firetech> *waiting
[05:54] <insanekane> \sh: but i can still ask questions as i appy right ? ;)
[05:54] <\sh> i don't want to take any risk in breaking something in breezy
[05:54] <KaiL_> lol
[05:55] <KaiL_> is there anything left to break? :)
[05:55] <\sh> KaiL_: sure ;)
[05:55] <\sh> my good mood :)
[05:55] <insanekane> \sh: you mean it wont be available in breezy ? that sucks ... :/
[05:55] <\sh> insanekane: wait at least one day :)
[05:55] <\sh> insanekane: it will be available in breezy (imho)
[05:55] <Firetech> Riddell: why is the server slow? (just kidding... everyone wants to get 3.4.1 I guess...) I'm competing with a friend running gentoo, he's compiling it already ;)
[05:56] <insanekane> \sh: haha ... no, i need it in hoary :) ... thats why i asked for the packages ... i am trying the patch application now ... i hope u will be able to help ?
[05:56] <\sh> insanekane: oh ok...w8
[05:56] <Riddell> I should have set up a mirror on kubuntu.org, bit late now
[05:57] <\sh> lemme check it in hoary...i will compile it and can provide source packages
[05:57] <insanekane> \sh: excellent !!!
[05:58] <\sh> hmm
[05:59] <Firetech> Riddell: why is that late?you could end your download directly after a package, and then continue on the new mirror?
[06:01] <Riddell> Firetech: ok, I've started to copy it over, might take a while though
[06:01] <\sh> oh 77mb for my hoary chroot
[06:02] <\sh> riddell: what about qscintilla...it's already uploaded...should a make a new rev and upload again?
[06:04] <Riddell> \sh: new revision of qscintilla?  what would change?
[06:05] <\sh> riddell: last time doko and i tried to compile python-qt3 and it wasn't compiling at all
[06:05] <Riddell> \sh: so what are you wanting to upload?
[06:06] <\sh> qscintilla is not installable...why? 
[06:07] <Riddell> \sh: libqscintilla5c2 installs for me on breezy
[06:07] <\sh> so..why python-qt3 didn't compile? 
[06:08] <\sh> http://people.ubuntu.com/%7Elamont/buildLogs/p/python-qt3/3.14.1-2ubuntu1/python-qt3_3.14.1-2ubuntu1_20050526-1244-i386-failed.gz
[06:08] <Riddell> \sh: there's a ubuntu2  (which has also failed)
[06:09] <Riddell> \sh: it's because it was in main so couldn't get libqscintilla5c2 in universe, now that python-qt3 is in universe it should all work next time the build daemons get round to building it
[06:10] <\sh> riddell: so i can start building python-kde3 for breezy
[06:10] <Riddell> \sh: assuming you have a sucessful local compile of python-qt3 yes
[06:11] <\sh> riddell: i will have :)
[06:11] <RetroMan> 86rUles
[06:11] <RetroMan> er
[06:11] <RetroMan> woops
[06:11] <RetroMan> damn synergy ;)
[06:11] <mindspin> anyone updated to KDE3.4.1 yet?
[06:12] <KaiL_> here on breezy
[06:13] <mindspin> I mean on Hoary
[06:14] <Firetech> KaiL_: are the 3.4.1 packages released officially for breezy?
[06:14] <teebones> i'm runing 3.4.0
[06:14] <teebones> +n
[06:14] <insanekane> \sh: i have compiled python-qt3, sip4.2 and pykde-snapshot20050316  perfectly on hoary
[06:15] <KaiL_> Firetech: there are packages in breezy and an update for hoary
[06:15] <Firetech> ok, saw that on packages.ubuntu.com now
[06:16] <Firetech> that's pretty quickly done... :D
[06:16] <insanekane> Riddell: will pykde3 be a standard package in breezy ? (ie, both in install and live CDs) ?
[06:17] <Riddell> insanekane: depends if anything needs it
[06:17] <insanekane> Riddell: and python2.4-dcop ?
[06:17] <Riddell> ditto
[06:17] <insanekane> Riddell: well, im writing a small hardward notification system that requires those..
[06:17] <Riddell> insanekane: what does that do?
[06:17] <insanekane> Riddell: hardware ...
[06:18] <insanekane> Riddell: nothing much ... auto configure things like printers, opens default applications (after confirmation) etc .... have u been reading the media:/ ioslave thread in kubuntu-devel ?
[06:19] <insanekane> Riddell: im developing it for my kubuntu-derivative ...
[06:19] <Riddell> insanekane: alas I have 399 unread e-mails to take care of and media:/ thread is among them
[06:20] <Riddell> insanekane: but I'd like python-qt/kde to be in there so if something depends on it that's all for the good
[06:20] <Firetech> Riddell: how many percent of the ftp.kde.org->kubuntu.org mirroring is done?
[06:20] <insanekane> Riddell: lol ... nevermind ... the media:/ thread is mostly babbling ... with me and 2 others as participants :) but something useful has come there ... not important for u now i guess
[06:20] <Firetech> just curious about the approximate speed
[06:21] <Riddell> Firetech: it's got to pool/kde-i18n/kde-i18n-sv
[06:21] <Firetech> ok, I'm 15% done with my upgrade
[06:22] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i'm trying to install vmware and it's asking me for the location of the c header files that match my running kernal
[06:22] <_Church_Of_Foamy> where are they?
[06:22] <Firetech> I need that package that it's transferring now :)
[06:22] <insanekane> Riddell: basically, i patched pmount (bascially, commented out one line in the source) so that it can mount hard disks (without them being in fstab) .. just wondering, what do u think abt it ? is it a security risk to use pmount to mount hard disks ?
[06:22] <Firetech> _Church_Of_Foamy: you need to install linux-headers for your kernel first
[06:23] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i just upgraded to the i686 kernal
[06:23] <Firetech> insanekane: that can be used for hotswapping sata disks :)
[06:23] <Riddell> insanekane: hmm, I have no idea
[06:23] <insanekane> Firetech: :)
[06:23] <Riddell> insanekane: the dude to ask is pitti (in #ubuntu-devel)
[06:23] <_Church_Of_Foamy> do i need to download the header files still?
[06:23] <insanekane> Riddell: == Martin Pitt ?
[06:23] <Riddell> insanekane: yes
[06:23] <\sh> this is nice...
[06:24] <Firetech> _Church_Of_Foamy: search for linux-headers in kynaptic
[06:24] <insanekane> \sh: pykde3 coming out nicely ?
[06:24] <\sh> with the gcc4 applied python-kde3 won't compile ;) (on hoary)
[06:24] <Firetech> I shouldn't say what Pitt means in Swedish...
[06:24] <\sh> insanekane: hey..my 1.5GHz is not so fast
[06:24] <insanekane> gcc4 ? hoary has gcc 3.3.5 right ?
[06:25] <\sh> insanekane: yeah..but i had a patch applied to compile pykde under breezy ;)
[06:25] <insanekane> Riddell: what about bootsplash patch in the kernel ? is it coming in breezy ? (can I do it in hoary ?)
[06:25] <insanekane> \sh: aha :)
[06:26] <Riddell> insanekane: they don't like bootsplash because it's kernel space or something, sladen's the dude to talk to
[06:26] <_Church_Of_Foamy> ok i installed the headers where are they now?
[06:26] <Riddell> insanekane: you could try splashy though if you're desperate
[06:26] <Riddell> _Church_Of_Foamy: which headers?
[06:27] <_Church_Of_Foamy> they i686
[06:27] <insanekane> Riddell: aha .. thats a good point ... but all those initialization output of the kernel/init ... is scaring my testers
[06:27] <insanekane> Riddell: didnt know abt splashy ... i will check it now
[06:27] <Riddell> _Church_Of_Foamy: /usr/src/linux if you're talking about linux
[06:28] <_Church_Of_Foamy> yes i'm a kubuntu user ^_^
[06:28] <_Church_Of_Foamy> switched from windows about a month ago
[06:28] <_Church_Of_Foamy> got sick of the blue screen of death and it beating on my hardware
[06:29] <zAo^> who can tell me where to solve my problem: once ervery 1 or 2 hours, my PC hangs, but my sound plays on and my mouse still works (cant do a thing with it). Not even CNTRL + ALT + BCSK works. The messages file says nothing about it, so does X-log. I use Kubuntu 5.04. Thanks!
[06:29] <_Church_Of_Foamy> and the fact that i payed money for software i don't own
[06:30] <NTolerance> anyone installed KDE 3.4.1 yet?
[06:30] <zAo^> btw: AMD 2100+, VIA KT333 chip, GF4 TI4200, 1GB
[06:30] <zAo^> I didnt NTolerance 
[06:31] <Firetech> Riddell: you tell me when the mirror upload is finished right? ;)
[06:32] <Firetech> NTolerance: I'm doing it, but ftp.kde.org is slooow at the moment...
[06:32] <NTolerance> anyone know what the apt-get syntax is for the upgrade?
[06:33] <Firetech> NTolerance: you need to add the ftp.kde.org repository from the topic to your /etc/apt/sources.list first
[06:33] <NTolerance> right
[06:33] <NTolerance> but i don't know which syntax to use for apt
[06:34] <Firetech> Are you sure you want to do it? It's on your own risk (like mostly everything fun in the linux world...)
[06:34] <NTolerance> well
[06:34] <NTolerance> they have a package specific to Kubuntu and it's made by the same guy who made Kubuntu
[06:34] <\sh> insanekane: i will inform u when it compiled and when its available on my repository for hoary...1 hour or so
[06:34] <Firetech> yes
[06:35] <Riddell> Firetech: currently on pool/kdelibs/
[06:35] <insanekane> \sh: thank you a million times over :)
[06:36] <insanekane> \sh: soon, i will send u kerala coconut beer
[06:36] <Firetech> hmm, that should (roughly, counting letters here) be 46%
[06:37] <Firetech> I'm counting the L, not the K, everything begins with kde :P
[06:38] <Riddell> Firetech: http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.1/kubuntu/ should be there
[06:38] <Firetech> Riddell: and you say that now? :P
[06:38] <Riddell> I only just saw it
[06:39] <Firetech> just kidding
[06:39] <Firetech> that's what the :P meant.
[06:40] <\sh> insanekane: kerala coconut beer?
[06:40] <Firetech> Riddell: thanks, that one was quite faster...
[06:41] <Firetech> using my full bandwidth now
[06:41] <Firetech> instead of just 10 kB/s
[06:41] <insanekane> \sh: yeah ... coconut beer made in kerala :)
[06:41] <insanekane> \sh: where I live
[06:42] <\sh> insanekane: where is it?
[06:42] <\sh> india
[06:42] <\sh> right?
[06:43] <\sh> http://www.keralatourism.org/index.jsp?resource=multimedia&id=1062711055&type=picture&n=y
[06:43] <insanekane> \sh: yeah ... south india :)
[06:43] <insanekane> \sh: i live in the city called kochi ... known as Queen of the Arabian Sea
[06:43] <\sh> if this is kerala, how much cost a ticket?
[06:43] <Firetech> haha, the SuSE packages aren't on mirrorservice.org :P
[06:43] <insanekane> \sh: no idea... where are u located ? Germany ?
[06:43] <\sh> insanekane: yeah
[06:44] <Riddell> Firetech: suse packages were uploaded late
[06:44] <Firetech> I could figure that out...
[06:44] <Firetech> I just think some nice thoughts for the SuSE users ;)
[06:45] <insanekane> \sh: maybe around Rs 30-40k return ticket ? USD 1 == Rs 50/- (approx)
[06:46] <douglas> What package do I need to use the share manager for kde?
[06:46] <Firetech> already finished?
[06:46] <douglas> file share manager
[06:46] <\sh> insanekane: i have to see...india is also a country on my "have to visit" list _:)
[06:47] <Riddell> Firetech: yep
[06:47] <insanekane> \sh: hehehe :)
[06:47] <NTolerance> upgrading now, here goes nothing
[06:47] <NTolerance> :D
[06:48] <Firetech> kubuntu.org was even faster :D
[06:51] <Riddell> kubuntu.org not on the academic network
[06:52] <Firetech> where is it, btw?
[06:53] <Riddell> Firetech: london
[06:54] <Firetech> I see that
[06:54] <Riddell> telehouse
[06:54] <Firetech> the traceroute goes in one hop from Stockholm to London :)
[06:54] <Riddell> telehouse is the centre of the internet in britain
[06:54] <NTolerance> is it OK to have the backports repositories enabled when doing apt-get upgrade?
[06:55] <Riddell> NTolerance: should be but can't be guaranteed since we don't control backports
[06:55] <NTolerance> ok
[06:56] <NTolerance> thanks for making the new KDE Kubuntu package for us, Riddell 
[06:56] <NTolerance> i'm running apt-get upgrade right now to get the new KDE
[06:56] <Riddell> you're welcome
[06:56] <Riddell> no complaints yet
[06:57] <spiral> Riddell: I've got a deps problem between kdm & kde-bin
[06:57] <spiral> kdebase-bin...
[06:58] <spiral> has anyone had the same problem ?
[06:58] <NTolerance> i'll find out in a bit, still downloading
[07:04] <chx> Hi! I have shortcuts defined in KATE, would like to open them in Konqueror so I can copy a few binary files.
[07:06] <\sh> insanekane: i'm uploading now..this can take a while
[07:06] <insanekane> great ... thanks
[07:09] <Riddell> spiral: bummer
[07:09] <spiral> Riddell: ?
[07:09] <spiral> Riddell: I don't remember this word... what does it mean ?
[07:10] <insanekane> it means "damn, something bad happened"
[07:10] <Riddell> like insanekane says
[07:12] <insanekane> \sh: be right back ... just leaving for a couple of minutes to test splashy
[07:12] <Firetech> less than 30 minutes left of KDE 3.4.1 download. :D
[07:13] <Firetech> Riddell: how did you get that strange hostname?
[07:13] <Firetech> jriddell.kde
[07:14] <Riddell> Firetech: by being an elite KDE developer
[07:14] <Riddell> lesser KDE developers get foo.developer.kde
[07:14] <\sh> hihihi
[07:15] <Firetech> freenode agreement, or something like that?
[07:15] <Riddell> it's not a hostname, it's set by freenode
[07:15] <\sh> a cloak service
[07:15] <Firetech> guessed that
[07:15] <Riddell> they do it for various projects
[07:15] <Firetech> ok, I'm too used to QuakeNet...
[07:16] <Firetech> only ircops get fake hosts there
[07:16] <\sh> Riddell: btw...your kmilo can I abuse it for presetting those ungeeky internet superduper keyboards?
[07:16] <Riddell> \sh: sure
[07:17] <\sh> riddell: this would be a cool project for making kubuntu more comfortable to windows people
[07:17] <Firetech> \sh: you may use me as a beta tester if you like
[07:17] <Firetech> I have one of those keyboards...
[07:18] <Firetech> but I use the "hotkeys" package with my own definitions
[07:18] <\sh> Firetech: first of all, i need time to implement stuff like this...there r other projects on the list
[07:18] <Firetech> you don't have to hurry
[07:18] <\sh> Firetech: but i like the idea to have those presymboled keys directly running...
[07:18] <Firetech> I meant if you wanted to have beta testers
[07:21] <\sh> this khotkeys thingy is nice, when u know how kde works...but i was impressed when i saw, that my laptop mute and volume buttons were working without adjusting anything
[07:37] <\sh> amu: so what is your idea to inject new packages into ubuntu?
[07:37] <Firetech> Riddell: file overwriting problems in kdebase-bin/kdm and libkiten1/kiten for 3.4.1
[07:38] <Firetech> only those two for me anyway.
[07:38] <amu> Firetech: that was an example ... what you can do ;)
[07:38] <insanekane> \sh: i am back ...
[07:38] <amu> Firetech: yep bug is known 
[07:39] <\sh> insanekane: http://archive.linux-server.org/
[07:39] <Firetech> amu: I'll think some more... I would like to program, though...
[07:39] <amu> The Kubuntu project aims to be to KDE what Ubuntu is to GNOME: a great integrated distro with all the great features of Ubuntu, but based on the KDE desktop.
[07:39] <\sh> insanekane: i'm just writing a small log entry to describe the syntax changes coming with this patch
[07:39] <insanekane> \sh: i can add it to sources.list ?
[07:39] <Firetech> I have to learn some linux programming first
[07:39] <amu> \sh: "integrated distro" 
[07:39] <insanekane> \sh: ok ..
[07:40] <Riddell> Firetech: what's the problem for kiten?
[07:40] <amu> Firetech: i'm sure we'll find something
[07:40] <\sh> insanekane: deb http://archive.linux-server.org hoary/$(ARCH)/
[07:40] <insanekane> \sh: oh ... super thanks ..
[07:40] <\sh> insanekane: it's your real name in your whois?
[07:41] <insanekane> \sh: error in the webpage -  "This version is linked against Python 2.3"
[07:41] <Firetech> Riddell: /usr/share/apps/kiten/radkfile is in both libkiten0 and kiten
[07:41] <insanekane> \sh: yes .. my name is Rajeev J Sebastian ... why you ask ?
[07:41] <Firetech> is it safe to pull in a --force-overwrite?
[07:41] <\sh> insanekane: it's the non finished package description..i want to have it 2.4 only
[07:41] <\sh> insanekane: i will mention u :)
[07:41] <Riddell> Firetech: yeah, it's safe
[07:42] <Firetech> ok
[10:01] <philipacamaniac> audacity (does that use qt?)
[10:01] <spiral> philipacamaniac: not at all... gtk
[10:01] <philipacamaniac> yuck
[10:01] <gsuveg> philipacamaniac: cant connect to audio interface
[10:01] <gsuveg> this is gtk, but isnt that the problem
[10:02] <spiral> gsuveg: maybe rather arts & so on ?
[10:02] <spiral> gsuveg: I get the same problem as you
[10:03] <gsuveg> spiral: yes
[10:03] <philipacamaniac> does audacity need jack? I've had success with other programs that use jack (namely, Ardour)
[10:03] <insanekane> Riddell: i need to use --force-overwrite with the python2.4-kde3/qt3/sip4 packages ... so here is what i think i should do: in preseed file, make a rule for      preseed/late_command     and in that copy the debs to target .... and then in      base-config/late_command        I actually install using dpkg and --force-overwrite .... does it look right to you ? 
[10:03] <gsuveg> philipacamaniac: pardon?
[10:04] <philipacamaniac> jack: http://jackit.sourceforge.net/
[10:05] <philipacamaniac> required by many linux pro audio software - I was wondering if perhaps audacity needs it to work?
[10:05] <gsuveg> philipacamaniac: hmm.
[10:06] <gsuveg> yes
[10:06] <gsuveg> after killing arts it works
[10:06] <philipacamaniac> arts and jack sometimes don't get along
[10:07] <philipacamaniac> I had a fix for slackware, but I can't remember exactly what it was, or how I could port it over to kubuntu.
[10:08] <philipacamaniac> Are you wanting to edit audio files, or something along the lines of multi-track recording?
[10:09] <Tm_T> \sh: I'm now installing pykde
[10:09] <nmorse> you know what's really annoying about Kubuntu's KDE?
[10:09] <Tm_T> me?
[10:09] <Tm_T> ;--P
[10:09] <nmorse> The Load screen I get when it loads my trash applet
[10:10] <nmorse> It seems to take forever for it to do so
[10:10] <Tm_T> load screen?
[10:10] <philipacamaniac> hmm
[10:10] <nmorse> And that stupid Konqy loading page is really annoying
[10:10] <KaiL_> load screen?
[10:10] <Tm_T> loading page?
[10:10] <nmorse> You know, like when Konqy's opening a link from Konversation
[10:10] <nmorse> That little loading bar in it's own little window
[10:11] <nmorse> It's quite aggravating to see every time I log in
[10:11] <KaiL_> this download window?
[10:11] <nmorse> Yeah, it brings that up when loading my trash applet
[10:11] <nmorse> Why, I have no idea
[10:12] <\sh> Tm_T: ok :)
[10:12] <philipacamaniac> That sounds like KDE behaviour, not Kubuntu specific.
[10:13] <nmorse> It's related to Kubuntu's specific trash applet though
[10:13] <darkaudit> will 3.4.1 make Ubuntu universe as well, or will it be in kubuntu repos only?
[10:13] <nmorse> I really prefer a trash can on the desktop
[10:13] <KaiL_> even that is not specific :)
[10:13] <philipacamaniac> darkaudit: no, not until Breezy
[10:13] <nmorse> I really can't understand though, why there's a trash applet instead of a desktop icon
[10:14] <philipacamaniac> darkaudit: security updates should, though
[10:14] <darkaudit> ok...
[10:14] <darkaudit> no fixes I'm really hard-up for at the moment, anyway :)
[10:14] <nmorse> I've heard it's to limit desktop icons, but every time I insert a CD, it mounts and shows up on the desktop
[10:14] <Tm_T> \sh: hmm, atleast desktop script of amaroK can't find pykde :p
[10:15] <nmorse> So, I still don't understand the need for a trash applet in my already crowded Kicker
[10:15] <Tm_T> nmorse: so remove it
[10:15] <\sh> Tm_T: i will test itlater....meeting now
[10:15] <Tm_T> \sh: ok :)
[10:15] <philipacamaniac> I believe it was to match the look and feel of Ubuntu
[10:15] <nmorse> And there's the fact that I have nothing in the trash to add to loading confusion on my part
[10:16] <philipacamaniac> Kubuntu devels have the difficult job of balancing Ubuntu defaults with KDE defaults
[10:16] <gdh> Gosh, sarge now 'due' on June 6th :)
[10:16] <ilbahr> anyone know about a good program where i can put comments in pdf file like the proffessional ADOBE ver
[10:16] <Tm_T> haha
[10:16] <Tm_T> gdh: so it's august
[10:16] <nmorse> Sarge has been due for too long
[10:17] <nmorse> But it's a huge step forward compared to the last 3 releases
[10:17] <gdh> Tm_T: <grin> :)))
[10:17] <nmorse> Nothing in Debian's really changed since 2.0
[10:17] <gdh> http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2005/22/  - they seem fairly confident this week :)
[10:17] <philipacamaniac> Yeah, I'll be playing Duke Nukem Forever on Debian Sarge.
[10:17] <nmorse> But 3.1 promises good things
[10:18] <philipacamaniac> And why didn't they bump it up to 4.0? It has been 3 years, after all...
[10:18] <nmorse> Because everyone seems to have ignored that fact
[10:18] <nmorse> It would be more appropriate anyway, with the new systems in place
[10:19] <gdh> philipacamaniac: It was going to be 4.0 when they realised the full scale of the changes... but then they realised 'we're too close to the release to go back and change everything' ... that was about 9 months ago now.
[10:19] <NTolerance> i'll be playing Team Fortress 2
[10:19] <gdh> the expectation was to release around christmas :)
[10:19] <nmorse> They've been surprisingly close for over a year
[10:19] <nmorse> Believe it or not, KDE was a large part of the holdup
[10:20] <nmorse> It's why udev is the default dev thing now
[10:20] <philipacamaniac> Well, maybe since amu is working on Kubuntu, that's not a huge problem anymore.
[10:21] <mrmanic> to upgrade kopete you have to install xmms?
[10:21] <mrmanic> that's odd
[10:22] <nmorse> Now, to figure out how to get the Trash icon back on the desktop
[10:22] <philipacamaniac> mrmanic: are you using hoary/kde 3.4?
[10:22] <nmorse> There's got to be a wiki somewhere for that
[10:23] <philipacamaniac> nmorse: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22701
[10:23] <nmorse> Yeah, kopete claims an xmms dependency
[10:23] <darkaudit> gdh: and before that, Sept. :)
[10:23] <mrmanic> philipacamaniac: yes.
[10:24] <gdh> darkaudit: I do remember all the "LOL 2 years since a release omgwtf!?!!?" :)
[10:25] <Tm_T> heh
[10:25] <darkaudit> craps out when I try to set up an account... can't type in anything
[10:27] <philipacamaniac> mrmanic: it is for the Now Listening plugin. http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/kde/kopete
[10:27] <mrmanic> philipacamaniac: ten four good buddy
[10:27] <nmorse> Right, so a distribution that is constantly seeking to cut cruft out of its KDE version puts the Now Listening plugin in by default?
[10:27] <philipacamaniac> I'll admit - that's pretty stupid
[10:28] <gdh> Moronic, esp if it can only work with xmms/beep
[10:28] <philipacamaniac> No it works in all the KDE players, you just need xmms installed
[10:28] <nmorse> Why do you need XMMS installed to use KDE players?
[10:29] <mrmanic> that doesn't make any sense at all, IMO.
[10:29] <nmorse> It can't just use DCOP and Juk or Kaffeine by default?
[10:29] <gdh> nope :)
[10:29] <nmorse> Or even amaroK
[10:29] <mrmanic> it seems like that plugin needs to be rearchitected to make xmms optional
[10:29] <philipacamaniac> Real good question - sounds like a specific kopete bug/feature request
[10:29] <nmorse> It does need that for sure
[10:29] <Tm_T> amaroK!
[10:29] <gdh> Or just drop it. We don't /care/ what you're listening to =)
[10:30] <philipacamaniac> Yeah, I certainly don't. And that's what AudioScrobbler in amaroK is for!
[10:31] <nmorse> Besides, doesn't using XMMS for Kopete mean you're adding an extra step, namely py-xmms?
[10:31] <nmorse> That sure makes sense when something as useful as DCOP exists and is easier to use
[10:32] <Tm_T> heh
[10:32] <philipacamaniac> Yes, the kopete "now listening" plugin needs to be rewritten to use DCOP
[10:32] <Tm_T> philipacamaniac: there is one for amaroK already
[10:32] <Tm_T> afaik
[10:33] <nmorse> But why use amaroK or XMMS when stuff like Juk exists?
[10:33] <nmorse> Juk is so nice, it's simple, clean and automatically sorts your music for you
[10:33] <philipacamaniac> nmorse: because I like to listen my music?? just kidding... I just like amaroK the most.
[10:33] <Tm_T> nmorse: what's wrong in amaroK?
[10:34] <gdh> Is it possible to have juk /not/ build a 'music collection' ? i.e. just point it at a directory like every other player? :)
[10:34] <mrmanic> nmorse: I think it's just a matter of preference
[10:34] <mrmanic> nmorse: I use noatun and itunes.
[10:34] <Tm_T> hehe
[10:34] <nmorse> Yeah, it's preference, but amaroK doesn't fit in with the KDE desktop, really
[10:34] <mrmanic> why?
[10:34] <philipacamaniac> Actually, the 'music collection' paradigm is the most useful thing about JuK
[10:34] <mrmanic> it's too sexy?
[10:35] <nmorse> Like XMMS, it's very themeable
[10:35] <nmorse> KDE tends to use on theme (of your choosing)
[10:35] <nmorse> So yes, it's too sexy
[10:35] <\sh> Tm_T: where can i find this desktop script? can u send it to me via mail?
[10:35] <mrmanic> noatun uses winamp skins
[10:35] <mrmanic> that's one of the things I like about it
[10:35] <gdh> None of them seem to play music via KIOSlaves ... e.g. I can't rely on smb://eddie/mp3  - it will copy each mp3 to a local tempfile, and play from that
[10:36] <Tm_T> \sh: it's in amaroK-svn atleast
[10:36] <mrmanic> yeah
[10:36] <gdh> so I'm forced to mount with smbfs to /mnt/mp3 etc. :/
[10:36] <mrmanic> gdh: that's a frustration for me too
[10:36] <\sh> Tm_T: so send it :) i don't use amarok svn ;)
[10:36] <nmorse> None of them use the KIOslaves?
[10:36] <philipacamaniac> Yeah, and most can't play cds properly with audiocd:/
[10:36] <gdh> that seems like such an unbelievable omission to not use a /fantastic/ system like the KIOSlaves
[10:36] <Tm_T> \sh: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=20293
[10:36] <nmorse> I know, who would do that?
[10:37] <nmorse> Time to go see the Juk developers
[10:37] <Tm_T> \sh: you should, it's just better than "release"
[10:37] <RetroMan> is it ok for me to compile from source kdelibs-3.4.1?
[10:37] <ztonzy> amu, here ?
[10:37] <RetroMan> with default options?
[10:37] <nmorse> why would you do that, RetroMan?
[10:37] <RetroMan> hmm.. not sure
[10:37] <Tm_T> haha
[10:38] <philipacamaniac> If I wget an entire archive site, recursively, is there a way to show the total status of the download? Geez...
[10:38] <nmorse> Try using apt-get source kdelibs
[10:38] <mrmanic> gdh: noatun can SORT OF handle smb.  it makes a local copy and then plays it.  I do wish it would stream, but I imagine that's a pain to do.
[10:38] <RetroMan> whats a better way?  add the repository to apt-get?
[10:38] <Tm_T> RetroMan: yup
[10:38] <Tm_T> RetroMan: topic ;)
[10:39] <Tm_T> I think it's all there
[10:39] <RetroMan> and then I can just run apt-get update ?
[10:39] <gdh> mrmanic: I understand they need to seek randomly, but that should be no problem... unless internally these apps are doing 'traditional' file access and not using "file:/"
[10:39] <Tm_T> and apt-get upgrade
[10:39] <RetroMan> sweet
[10:40] <mrmanic> gdh: nm, noatun can handle it fully apparently without copying it local
[10:40] <gdh> noatun is the GNOME one?
[10:40] <philipacamaniac> no
[10:40] <nmorse> amaroK does too, according to #kde
[10:40] <nmorse> Noatun is a KDE player
[10:40] <nmorse> older than most too, and plays video
[10:40] <nmorse> I remember when KDE 3.0 was brand spanking new
[10:40] <gdh> Oh right, all these half-baked apps :)
[10:41] <philipacamaniac> Basically an advanced XMMS for KDE
[10:41] <nmorse> Kaboodle's there too
[10:42] <mrmanic> noatun is actually a pretty nice low-tech player, IMO
[10:42] <mrmanic> it's on par with winamp 2, IMO
[10:42] <ztonzy> Tm_T, you named amu ;) ??
[10:42] <Tm_T> nope
[10:42] <Tm_T> I just thought it as fun ;--P
[10:42] <nmorse> Except Noatun plays video too, without plugins
[10:42] <gdh> noatun requires arts?
[10:43] <philipacamaniac> yes
[10:43] <nmorse> It's really not necessary anymore, though, with Kaffeine and amaroK taking both of those functions in a much better way
[10:43] <philipacamaniac> nmorse: I agree
[10:43] <amu> ztonzy: soon :) 
[10:43] <gdh> ahhh.. noatun looks like a music player, not a 'media environment' :)
[10:43] <mrmanic> gdh: that's what i like about it.
[10:44] <mrmanic> gdh: it's not in your face, it doesn't have feature bloat, it just plays my music.
[10:44] <ztonzy> amu, soon ??
[10:44] <RetroMan> agh!  I keep getting an "unmet dependencies" error, and every time I try to resolve it, I get an error
[10:44] <gdh> mrmanic: And, true enough it plays via smb://
[10:45] <mrmanic> gdh: It used to have trouble with it...they must have fixed that.
[10:45] <mrmanic> this is great
[10:45] <amu> ztonzy: ...i'm back
[10:45] <gdh> however, it does seem to copy every file I play to my homedir.
[10:46] <mrmanic> hmm
[10:46] <ztonzy> amu, ok...
[10:46] <ztonzy> amu, check at bottom:  http://download.blender.org/source/
[10:46] <mrmanic> gah, so true
[10:47] <mrmanic> gdh: apparently it does that silently now :\
[10:47] <mrmanic> gdh: I used to get a popup for that
[10:47] <mrmanic> :(
[10:47] <gdh> christ... nothing's ever easy :)
[10:47] <gdh> Will inevitably end up sticking to beep-media-player and smbfs :) I even have a winamp 1.x skin for it :)
[10:47] <ztonzy> amu, wait
[10:47] <ztonzy> amu, a minute or so...
[10:47] <ztonzy> before...
[10:48] <ztonzy> amu, okey...go ahead :)
[10:48] <ztonzy> now there's a md5
[10:48] <nmorse> What the heck is beep-media-player?
[10:48] <gdh> nmorse: It's xmms, but gtk2
[10:49] <gdh> i.e. not quite so horrific
[10:49] <nmorse> Right, so where's XMMS in KDE's QT stuff?
[10:49] <gdh> other than that, it's identical. uses the same plugin format, too.
[10:49] <nmorse> Noatun really doesn't cut it and amaroK gets on my nerves with its very different way of doing things
[10:50] <gdh> I think many of us are just ingrained with winamp's way.
[10:50] <philipacamaniac> I'm addicted to iTunes, so amaroK is like my nicotine patch
[10:50] <mrmanic> itunes works ok with codeweavers wine.
[10:50] <mrmanic> not great
[10:50] <mrmanic> but ok
[10:51] <nmorse> Exactly, psn
[10:51] <philipacamaniac> *grumble grumble... maybe I'll go take a look at JuK
[10:52] <RetroMan> amarok all the way :)
[10:52] <nmorse> I just tried amaroK again, for the maybe tenth time since its earliest releases
[10:53] <nmorse> and I still can't stand drag-and-drop playlists
[10:53] <gdh> nmorse: yis :) 
[10:53] <RetroMan> you can save the playlist
[10:53] <gdh> At a quick glance, JuK would be fine for me if it used KIOslaves
[10:53] <nmorse> Anyone know of a good theme package for bmp?
[10:53] <RetroMan> is that the complaint..?
[10:53] <gdh> and didn't require a 'collection' :)
[10:53] <nmorse> No, if it couldn't save playlists it wouldn't be a music player
[10:54] <nmorse> Oh, but the collection is just neat
[10:54] <NTolerance> does anyone here use the kmix keyboard shortcuts?
[10:54] <nmorse> It gives you a meta-package of all your playlists
[10:55] <nmorse> Then, when you want to make a new one, you just highlight and right-click the songs in your collection you want in the playlist and click 'Make New Playlist'
[10:55] <nmorse> It's just too easy to use
[10:55] <gdh> I have an alphabetically organised mp3 dir - I already know where my stuff is :) I should have to spend hours crafting proper id3 tags + pls lists just so it appears properly in one music player :/
[10:55] <gdh> I *shouldn't* have...
[10:55] <RetroMan> Im getting an error trying to upgrade my kdelibs - apparently it cant be overwritten
[10:56] <philipacamaniac> id3 tags (read ALL metatags) are designed to make your data/music/video/blah be organized properly in any program
[10:56] <nmorse> You mean your MP3's don't have ID3 tags?
[10:56] <nmorse> Maybe CDDB is for you
[10:57] <philipacamaniac> nmorse: lol
[10:57] <RetroMan> apt-get is giving me this error: "/var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary1_all.deb 
[10:57] <RetroMan> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
[10:57] <gdh> feh :) I have an.. organic collection :)
[10:57] <nmorse> gdh: are there any packages in Ubuntu that have beep-media-player themes?
[10:57] <nmorse> as in theme packages'
[10:57] <gdh> none of this new-wave bloody itunes nonsense
[10:57] <insanekane> ok cya all later
[10:57] <insanekane> ciao
[10:58] <nmorse> I really don't like iTunes
[10:58] <gdh> nmorse: Any of the xmms ones will work. I'm using an xmms 'winamp' skin for bmp
[10:59] <nmorse> Right, I'm coming up with a distinct lack of XMMS theme packages in my apt-cache searches
[11:00] <nmorse> And both universe and multiverse are enabled
[11:00] <philipacamaniac> you may not like itunes, but I have a real addiction problem, ok?
[11:00] <gdh> hm, maybe there aren't any - I just found some on teh intarwab...
[11:00] <nmorse> philipacamaniac: you should go to a support group for that
[11:01] <nmorse> I'm sending my family there
[11:01] <gdh> nmorse: I guess if you let one theme package in, suddenly you get flooded by every crap artist who thinks they're something wanting to be included too...
[11:01] <ztonzy> amu, got it ?
[11:01] <philipacamaniac> iTA
[11:01] <nmorse> You just make on theme package
[11:01] <nmorse> With say, 50 themes in it
[11:01] <philipacamaniac> iTunes Anonymous
[11:01] <nmorse> That's how Gentoo does it
[11:02] <philipacamaniac> or more simplistically, iAnonymous
[11:02] <nmorse> philipacamaniac: no, I send them to iTMS iAnonymous
[11:02] <philipacamaniac> oh yeah, that too!
[11:02] <nmorse> Buying music is like buying crack
[11:02] <philipacamaniac> $0.99 can add up
[11:03] <nmorse> Heh, looks like there is an xmms themes package
[11:03] <nmorse> called xmms-skins for some inane reason
[11:03] <gdh> who'd have thought? :)
[11:04] <gdh> hmm, right click.. options ...skin browser :)
[11:04] <gdh> nomenclature++
[11:04] <gdh> still, respect goes to fluxbox for re-inventing the 'dock' as the 'slit' :)
[11:04] <nmorse> not that it matters, since xmms-skins doesn't have any really good skins
[11:05] <nmorse> The alien and the Linux Power skins are left out
[11:05] <kay> hey, konversaion is back on Breezy
[11:05] <kay> +t
[11:05] <gdh> nmorse: I can believe that. I don't really care for such things, but the default Debian one was ghastly
[11:05] <nmorse> I actually like bmp's default Debian one
[11:05] <nmorse> Much better than XMMS' default
[11:06] <gdh> Ain't choice great? :)
[11:06] <nmorse> or the ones in that xmms-skins package
[11:06] <Firetech> anyone running kde 3.4.1 and having problems with juk
[11:06] <F_for_Fragging> when I tried to update certain kde packages, for example kmail, to 3.4.1 by using the kubuntu.org repo, kynaptic wanted to delete kde-core kde-devel and kdelibs, more people having this problem?
[11:07] <philipacamaniac> I didn't have that problem
[11:07] <philipacamaniac> Firetech: I'm waiting for a download to finish, then I can restart X and try out JuK
[11:08] <Firetech> JuK just crashes when changing son some times, no reero or anything
[11:08] <Firetech> when using both aKode and aRts
[11:10] <Firetech> it behaves like amarok did with arts when I tried it last
[11:10] <Firetech> reero= error
[11:11] <philipacamaniac> I use amarok with arts (for crossfading)
[11:11] <Firetech> it suddenly started crashing on me.
[11:11] <philipacamaniac> hmm
[11:12] <claude> hi all
[11:13] <claude> is kaffeine run under gnome ?
[11:14] <nmorse> no Kaffeine is definitely a KDE program
[11:14] <nmorse> It runs in GNOME though
[11:14] <nmorse> Like all good KDE programs
[11:15] <claude> i run it in ubuntu but cant play sound
[11:15] <nmorse> Can you play sound from any other program?
[11:16] <nmorse> Time to restart KDE to try out 3.4.1
[11:17] <claude> yes all apps works well under alsa
[11:18] <claude> oh i m under xfce and it works
[11:19] <claude> i have no engine available under gnome strange...
[11:19] <Firetech> philipacamaniac: It might be my arts config
[11:20] <philipacamaniac> Firetech: possibly
[11:20] <claude> it seems to be related to the kaffeine_part
[11:20] <Firetech> disabled network sound and changed a setting I think I changed before to "auto
[11:20] <Firetech> " again, and now amarok seems to work...
[11:21] <mrmanic> ok
[11:21] <mrmanic> kaffeine is a much nicer video player than noatun
[11:21] <mrmanic> the sound sync on noatun is TERRIBLE
[11:23] <Firetech> I want akode support for amarok...
[11:23] <Tm_T> Firetech: #amarok
[11:23] <nmorse> Oh, lovely, I've just noticed that pykde requires a python version less than 2.4
[11:24] <nmorse> Ubuntu has 2.4.1
[11:24] <Tm_T> nmorse: install python2.4-kde3
[11:24] <Tm_T> nmorse: http://planet.ubuntu.com/
[11:25] <\sh> nmorse: not right
[11:25] <\sh> nmorse: in ubuntu hoary there r two versions of it...
[11:27] <philipacamaniac> Firetech: KDE 3.4.1, yes JuK is buggy
[11:27] <Firetech> damn.
[11:27] <philipacamaniac> it crashed and did all sorts of silly things
[11:27] <philipacamaniac> good thing I use amaroK
[11:27] <Firetech> I just had gotten to like it...
[11:27] <philipacamaniac> bummer
[11:27] <Firetech> amaroK doesn't want me...
[11:27] <philipacamaniac> noatun maybe?
[11:28] <nmorse> I wonder why eric3 doesn't work on hoary
[11:28] <\sh> nmorse: 1. eric3 is b0rked
[11:28] <Firetech> aRts is just plain sucky (in the end it crashed all the time...), Xine makes funny (not funny) noices and GStreamer sucks a lot of CPU.
[11:28] <\sh> nmorse: 2. python-qt3 is b0rked a bit
[11:29] <nmorse> Right, and what maintainer left them that way?
[11:29] <nmorse> Surely hoary-updates could have fixed versions?
[11:33] <\sh> nmorse: well...this is normally "against the policy" cause it's not really a security issue
[11:33] <nmorse> No, I don't mean put it in security updates, but hoary-updates is for updating packages, correct?
[11:33] <nmorse> And eric3 isn't in main
[11:34] <\sh> but python-qt is
[11:34] <\sh> and this must be updated as well
[11:34] <nmorse> Why is python-qt in main?
[11:35] <\sh> this is the question...we're discussing it and we'll try to put it into main
[11:35] <\sh> s/main/universe/
[11:39] <nmorse> Right, so until that happens they won't update a main package to fix a universe package
[11:39] <\sh> nmorse: yepp
[11:42] <Firetech> It's the evil arts/akode
[11:43] <Firetech> trying with gstreamer
[11:46] <mrmanic> there's an issue with the knemo package vs the knetworkconf package in kubuntu
[11:46] <KaiL_> not jet fixed?
[11:46] <philipacamaniac> it was fixed days ago, if you use the kubuntu.org repo
[11:47] <philipacamaniac> knetworkconf was fixed upstream (they removed the shared icon)
[11:47] <mrmanic> hrm
[11:47] <mrmanic> sec
[11:47] <KaiL_> afaik only moved to another place?
[11:48] <nmorse> Hmm, after all that trouble to supposedly fix my Trash icon, it still doesn't show up
[11:48] <philipacamaniac> yeah... (at least, the bug I opened on bugzilla was marked fixed and closed)
[11:50] <nmorse> there we go, fixed it
[11:50] <nmorse> and the stupid loading bar stuff doesn't show up when it's not an applet
[11:50] <nmorse> Much better
[11:51] <mrmanic> philipacamaniac: I use this: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary for most stuff, and the kubuntu.org repository mentioned in the topic for kde 3.4.1
[11:51] <mrmanic> philipacamaniac: and it doesn't seem to be fixed for me.
[11:52] <philipacamaniac> Yeah, you also need deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main
[11:52] <mrmanic> should I replace the ubuntu repository or just append the kubuntu.org one?
[11:52] <philipacamaniac> append
[11:52] <mrmanic> k
[11:52] <mrmanic> thanks
[11:52] <nmorse> I tend to append to many repos
[11:53] <philipacamaniac> Kubuntu archive only has certain specific updates
[11:53] <nmorse> My sources.list looks like sendmail.cf now
[11:53] <philipacamaniac> lol
[11:53] <philipacamaniac> Just don't leave backports and marillat enabled permanently
[11:53] <nmorse> Of course they're enabled permanently
[11:53] <nmorse> I need some risk in my debian-based life
[11:53] <philipacamaniac> I see...
[11:54] <mrmanic> why not leave them enabled permanently?
[11:54] <philipacamaniac> You could *possibly* break things
[11:54] <nmorse> It's like using Knoppix, you only do it to see how screwed up apt can get (and for that good old dependency hell I sometimes wax nostalgic over)
[11:54] <philipacamaniac> It is generally recommended to enable an extra repo only to get what you need
[11:55] <nmorse> You ever try to convert knoppix to debian unstable?
[11:55] <mrmanic> convert?
[11:55] <uniq> apt pinning is great.
[11:55] <Firetech> nmorse: knoppix is more debian than ubuntu
[11:55] <nmorse> That's apt-pinning and dpkg -* like you've never seen
[11:55] <mrmanic> I thought it was just a slow ooze
[11:55] <philipacamaniac> However, you can consider the kubuntu.org repo as official.
[11:55] <philipacamaniac> nmorse: sick
[11:55] <uniq> semi-official.
[11:55] <uniq> :)
[11:56] <nmorse> I once actually converted a Linspire install to Debian unstable for kicks
[11:56] <philipacamaniac> uniq: indeed
[11:56] <nmorse> Nothing like Linspire with dselect
[11:56] <mrmanic> philipacamaniac: thanks so much for your help.  that fixed it.
[11:56] <philipacamaniac> uniq: I give it my own personal stamp of approval
[11:56] <philipacamaniac> mrmanic: no prob
[11:56] <philipacamaniac> :)
[11:56] <uniq> philipacamaniac: well, it's made by the same people.
[11:56] <philipacamaniac> exactly, but not within the Canonical realm
[11:57] <mrmanic> I think maybe udev is messing with my network device names.
[11:58] <mrmanic> both my wired ethernet and my wireless come up as eth0 now
[11:58] <mrmanic> :\
[11:59] <philipacamaniac> Kubuntu has got the idea: release important updates when they become available
[11:59] <philipacamaniac> screw release cycles
[11:59] <philipacamaniac> j/k
[11:59] <philipacamaniac> but sorta not really
[11:59] <mrmanic> I liked running debian unstable for that reason.
[11:59] <mrmanic> That generally updates would be pretty quick to hit.
[11:59] <philipacamaniac> mrmanic: that's no good
[12:00] <_tomas_> al descomprimir con unrar todos los archivos me sacan error.. alguna solucin ?
[12:00] <philipacamaniac> (the udev problem)
[12:00] <mrmanic> I think once I really grok udev I'll be a happier man
[12:01] <philipacamaniac> gotta go, I'll see y'all later