| === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc | ||
| === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc | ||
| === Burgundavia_ [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc | ||
| === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc | ||
| jsgotangco | hola | 04:12 |
|---|---|---|
| Burgundavia | salut | 04:12 |
| jsgotangco | oh i see Liz became list owner as well | 04:13 |
| jsgotangco | i havent seen her for quite some time though | 04:13 |
| jsgotangco | these aussies sure make weird passwords | 04:16 |
| Burgundavia | heh | 04:16 |
| Burgundavia | you should see the -ca one | 04:16 |
| jsgotangco | how active is the list? | 04:17 |
| Burgundavia | not bad | 04:18 |
| Burgundavia | a couple a week | 04:18 |
| jsgotangco | what's the score on your svn account? | 04:19 |
| Burgundavia | score? | 04:21 |
| Burgundavia | no idea, I haven't had access to it since I reinstalled | 04:21 |
| jsgotangco | i mean what's the status of your request to elmo | 04:21 |
| Burgundavia | oh, I haven't bothered following up right | 04:21 |
| Burgundavia | now | 04:21 |
| jsgotangco | ok | 04:22 |
| jsgotangco | do you mind if i upload your svg brochure to svn? | 04:22 |
| Burgundavia | sure | 04:25 |
| Burgundavia | go nuts | 04:25 |
| === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.95.213.246] has joined #ubuntu-doc | ||
| === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc | ||
| jsgotangco | robitaille, hello | 05:22 |
| robitaille | good evening jsgotangco | 05:23 |
| robitaille | I was checking my old bugs tonight, and noticed this one: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7195 | 05:28 |
| robitaille | why it is seems it isn't easy to solve since it has been opened for so long. I always tought it was simply a typo somewhere in one of the package. | 05:28 |
| robitaille | maybe I should take a deeper long one of these days... | 05:29 |
| robitaille | s/long/look | 05:29 |
| robitaille | ...I'm re-reading what I just typed (full of typos)... It seems I'm having a bad typing day :) | 05:33 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 05:33 |
| jsgotangco | let me check this in full | 05:33 |
| jsgotangco | i think this is scrollkeeper | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | well most likely packaged stuff from upstream that scrollkeeper just catalogs | 05:34 |
| === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-88.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc | ||
| robitaille | since the bug is assigned to him, is Enrico around these days? I can't remember seeing him on IRC or on the mailing list in a while | 05:41 |
| jsgotangco | he's been busy with his job but he drops here usually at dawn in your time | 05:42 |
| jsgotangco | i could bug enrico about it when he drops by though | 05:43 |
| jsgotangco | wow this is the first time i did ubuntu as an apache server | 06:35 |
| jsgotangco | that apache2.conf is genius | 06:35 |
| jsgotangco | just need to figure out moin now | 07:00 |
| === Liz [~Liz@fixed-203-87-81-158.nsw.chariot.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc | ||
| jsgotangco | hi Liz | 07:43 |
| Liz | hi jsgotangco | 07:44 |
| === venda [~sean@ndn-165-138-57.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc | ||
| venda | African Greetings | 07:44 |
| Liz | kia ora sean | 07:45 |
| jsgotangco | eh? | 07:45 |
| froud | African Greetings | 07:45 |
| Liz | kia ora froud | 07:46 |
| froud | hi ya Liz where you been | 07:46 |
| froud | jsgotangco: howzit | 07:46 |
| jsgotangco | hey froud been busy :) | 07:46 |
| venda | yep very busy | 07:47 |
| venda | did you manage to speak to the author of kubuntuguide? | 07:47 |
| jsgotangco | nope not yet | 07:47 |
| jsgotangco | i should do | 07:47 |
| === jsgotangco makes a note | ||
| Liz | busy with the final week of uni..just in study right now before exams | 07:47 |
| venda | OK, I see you started the screen captures | 07:48 |
| venda | Liz you and mdke make a good pair, both of you are studying | 07:48 |
| jsgotangco | venda, they're just basic caps not sure if they pass QA | 07:48 |
| venda | chaps I am trolling for commitment to 5.10 devel on the docs. Liz, jsgotangco how will your schedules be between now and sept 8th | 07:49 |
| jsgotangco | venda, unpredictable but i'll live | 07:49 |
| venda | if you check the log I gave a list last night, are you OK with these targets | 07:50 |
| jsgotangco | hmm where is that? | 07:50 |
| jsgotangco | let me check the log | 07:50 |
| Liz | after next week, when i sit my final exam for this semester..it should be good till class starts again | 07:50 |
| venda | when does class start again | 07:51 |
| jsgotangco | you got any good link for log workaround logs seem dead | 07:54 |
| venda | yeah so I see | 07:54 |
| venda | OK here goes | 07:54 |
| venda | update Ubuntu Quick Guide | 07:54 |
| venda | release Kubuntu Kwick Guide | 07:54 |
| venda | release Ubuntu User Guide | 07:54 |
| venda | release Kubuntu User Guide | 07:54 |
| venda | release Ubuntu FAQ Guide | 07:55 |
| venda | release Kubuntu FAQ Guide | 07:55 |
| venda | release Ubuntu Install Guide | 07:55 |
| venda | release Kubuntu Install Guide | 07:55 |
| venda | Release Notes | 07:55 |
| venda | those are the targets | 07:55 |
| venda | mdke is on Ubuntu User Guide | 07:56 |
| venda | jeff-away: says in July August he can do some work and editing | 07:56 |
| venda | I am doing touches on Ubuntu FAQ Guide | 07:57 |
| jsgotangco | Kubuntu Quick Guide will be done before June ends | 07:57 |
| jsgotangco | its mostly caps now | 07:57 |
| venda | working to finish k/Ubuntu Install Guide | 07:57 |
| jsgotangco | Kubuntu User Guide is still empty though | 07:57 |
| venda | Then I am moving to K/Ubuntu User Guides | 07:57 |
| jsgotangco | after i do the quick guide i might do the developer docs (if there is still time) | 07:58 |
| venda | developer docs? | 07:58 |
| jsgotangco | yeah have to troll tseng about it though | 07:58 |
| venda | Hmmm, not part of our targets | 07:59 |
| jsgotangco | don't worry about it | 07:59 |
| venda | will you have time to work on the other targets | 07:59 |
| jsgotangco | ill look into the other docs later what needs to be done | 07:59 |
| venda | Liz: how does the above look for you? | 07:59 |
| venda | Heaps of stuff | 07:59 |
| jsgotangco | kubuntu quick guide is almost done anyway, probably 70% | 08:00 |
| venda | Burgundavia: can you commit to one of the above docs | 08:00 |
| jsgotangco | and it will just wait for changes | 08:00 |
| Liz | definitely a heap of stuff... | 08:00 |
| jsgotangco | (of course not including QA) | 08:00 |
| Liz | im not using Kubuntu tho..so i dont know whats what there | 08:00 |
| Liz | i dont use kde that is | 08:00 |
| venda | jsgotangco: yes, for 5.10 it will just be a case of upgrading kwickguide to breezy | 08:00 |
| venda | Liz that's Ok | 08:01 |
| venda | I think jsgotangco and I can handle kde | 08:01 |
| jsgotangco | yeah Kubuntu is not so complicated | 08:01 |
| === venda KDE gooooood | ||
| jsgotangco | oh right | 08:02 |
| jsgotangco | i hvae a question though on kde | 08:02 |
| venda | sure | 08:02 |
| jsgotangco | what's the most decent docbook viewer for that | 08:02 |
| jsgotangco | (gnome has yelp) | 08:02 |
| jsgotangco | (kde = ?) | 08:02 |
| venda | there is not. Khelp center does not read XML | 08:02 |
| jsgotangco | gyahhh | 08:02 |
| venda | but this is not a problem | 08:02 |
| jsgotangco | that's what i figured | 08:02 |
| jsgotangco | :( | 08:02 |
| jsgotangco | eh? | 08:02 |
| jsgotangco | i dont want to transform | 08:03 |
| venda | since we will be transforming to HTML | 08:03 |
| venda | we hope that docteam.ubuntu.com will do a nightly build | 08:03 |
| jsgotangco | i know we're transforming but i don't want to transform everytime to view the doc | 08:03 |
| jsgotangco | thats why yelp is still very accessible | 08:03 |
| venda | this would be good since then people outside will have visability into the work in svn | 08:03 |
| venda | so just install yelp | 08:04 |
| jsgotangco | i was hoping to avoid to install yelp | 08:04 |
| venda | but I can say that most of the k/ubuntu docs will not support yelp very soon | 08:04 |
| venda | best thing is to transform | 08:05 |
| jsgotangco | you transform only when done | 08:05 |
| venda | I plan shipping html-based help system with 5.10 | 08:05 |
| venda | yelp and khelpcenter both read html | 08:06 |
| venda | the xml will be shipped as src package | 08:06 |
| venda | the html-based system will be built on docteam.ubuntu.com, on 5.10 release it will be moved to help.ubuntu.com | 08:07 |
| venda | 5.10 will also include glossary sections | 08:07 |
| jsgotangco | you lost me | 08:07 |
| venda | and I hope to have time for olinks | 08:07 |
| === jsgotangco havent been attentive on emails lately | ||
| venda | inter-document cross-references | 08:07 |
| venda | thats ok I am filling you in now :-) | 08:08 |
| venda | Liz: which of the above can you commit on? | 08:08 |
| venda | Burgundavia: are you in on any of these documents? | 08:08 |
| === venda also remember we now have the moin to docbook thang from mvirkkil | ||
| venda | so many wiki things will be ported to docbook in th eincoming folder | 08:09 |
| venda | jsgotangco: did you get the posters | 08:09 |
| venda | in artwork/ | 08:09 |
| venda | very simple | 08:10 |
| venda | but clear and they work | 08:10 |
| jsgotangco | its ok | 08:10 |
| jsgotangco | im uploading more soon | 08:10 |
| venda | that's good, in inkscape format? | 08:10 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 08:10 |
| venda | svg :-) | 08:10 |
| venda | love it | 08:10 |
| jsgotangco | moin has been keeping me busy lately though | 08:10 |
| Liz | whats the most pressing venda ? | 08:10 |
| venda | everything:-) | 08:11 |
| venda | we can't update ubuntu quick guide until we know what breezy looks like | 08:12 |
| venda | I think that is where the least work is | 08:12 |
| venda | Ubuntu User Guide would be a goo dplace to focus | 08:12 |
| venda | just liase with mdke on what sections he is doing | 08:12 |
| venda | Fixes and improvements on Ubuntu FAQ Guide are welcome | 08:13 |
| jsgotangco | fine and dandy but he should still do it in svn | 08:13 |
| venda | jsgotangco: huh? | 08:14 |
| venda | it is all in svn | 08:14 |
| venda | you mean jiyuu0 | 08:14 |
| Liz | i dont even have them all updated at the moment | 08:14 |
| Liz | this is the first time ive been in in a while | 08:14 |
| venda | just svn up | 08:14 |
| venda | make pwd the trunk and do svn up | 08:15 |
| venda | jsgotangco: jiyuu0 says he will work in svn form here in | 08:15 |
| venda | jsgotangco: we can't force him to do this, if he does not, then we will just fork from him and do our own thing | 08:15 |
| venda | jsgotangco: that's his choice | 08:16 |
| venda | same with the kubuntu user guide | 08:16 |
| venda | we encourage them both to work with us in svn, but we can't force it | 08:16 |
| jsgotangco | understandable | 08:17 |
| venda | ok I must get dressed and start working. c ya all later :-) | 08:17 |
| jsgotangco | you mean you've been chatting naked | 08:17 |
| venda | Liz: nice seeing ya ggain stranger | 08:17 |
| venda | yep | 08:17 |
| jsgotangco | urrkk | 08:17 |
| venda | :-) in th eb'day suite | 08:17 |
| Liz | see ya venda | 08:17 |
| === froud-away [~froud@ndn-165-138-57.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc | ||
| Liz | bbtomorrow | 10:08 |
| === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc | ||
| === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc | ||
| === SnakeBite [~SnakeBite@84.242.143.75] has joined #ubuntu-doc | ||
| === tarvid [~tarvid@68-67-192-202.chvlva.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc | ||
| tarvid | is there a searchable hardware database? | 06:41 |
| === _venda [~sean@ndn-165-138-57.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc | ||
| === _venda is now known as venda | ||
| venda | evening | 07:10 |
| === SnakeBite [~SnakeBite@84.242.143.75] has left #ubuntu-doc [""] | ||
| === ubuntulog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc | ||
| === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://irclog.workaround.org | This channel tries to follow the tradition of the #gnome-love channel on irc.gimp.net, all new comers and questions are welcomed, as long as you follow the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first. | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by sivang at Sat Jan 1 20:48:30 2005 | ||
| === ubuntulog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc | ||
| === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://irclog.workaround.org | This channel tries to follow the tradition of the #gnome-love channel on irc.gimp.net, all new comers and questions are welcomed, as long as you follow the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first. | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by sivang at Sat Jan 1 20:48:30 2005 | ||
| === #ubuntu-doc [freenode-info] please register your nickname...don't forget to auto-identify! http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup | ||
| (tarvid/#ubuntu-doc) looking for a list of recommended modems and compatible printers | 10:00 | |
| (tarvid/#ubuntu-doc) i haven't found a searchable hardware database | 10:00 | |
| tarvid | i am lucky enough to have T1s and broadband but many of my customers are not | 10:01 |
| venda | Hmm, I don't think the Ubuntu Hardware database is searchable yet. | 10:01 |
| tarvid | I'd like to be able to tell them "Buy this modem" and it just works. | 10:01 |
| venda | Just a sec | 10:01 |
| === venda goes to check | ||
| mdke | you can ask ogra about the hardware database, you'll find him in #ubuntu-devel | 10:02 |
| mdke | otherwise the only thing I can think of is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport but I have no idea how extensive it is | 10:03 |
| mdke | tarvid ^^ | 10:03 |
| venda | tarvid: there is some basic stats on http://hwdb.ubuntu.com | 10:04 |
| tarvid | http://hwdb.ubuntu.com is rather sparse | 10:07 |
| tarvid | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport has no modems | 10:07 |
| mdke | better ask ogra then | 10:09 |
| venda | Hmm, yes, the hwdb is new and it is just being built. | 10:11 |
| venda | mdke: OK the faq is now updated to ubuntuguide 3.04 and is well-formed and valid to the best of my knowledge. People can start fixing and adding to it :-) | 10:12 |
| venda | I don't think Chau is going to play game and do updated in svn as he said | 10:13 |
| venda | so I think it best we do what it is we want to do and just fork from him | 10:13 |
| venda | do you think we need to track ubuntuguide.org, I really did not want this overhead. | 10:14 |
| mdke | venda, well if you think about it it was reasonable for him to do updates on the site | 10:14 |
| mdke | svn wasn't well formed until now | 10:15 |
| mdke | and he hasn't yet seen that he can do updates in svn and get them quickly onto the site | 10:15 |
| venda | No from v3 align it was valid and well-formed. The doc was open for edit I was just fixing markup | 10:15 |
| mdke | so if he wants to make urgent changes, (like removing the add on cd for legal reasons), he thought it was necessary to do it straight onto the site | 10:15 |
| mdke | you'll have to show him how to edit it in svn and convert to html so he can export it to the site | 10:16 |
| mdke | even then, you might be right, he might not play ball anyway | 10:16 |
| venda | yeah, I was hoping he would do it in svn and tranform then upload to the site | 10:16 |
| venda | or we could show him how to transform and upload to the site | 10:16 |
| mdke | he'll need a commit account before he will stop working on the site too | 10:17 |
| venda | I have already made a number of fixes he could have benfitted from | 10:17 |
| venda | I asked him to send mail to elmo | 10:17 |
| venda | and enrico has said good | 10:17 |
| venda | they did not get email from him | 10:18 |
| venda | we also offered to patch for him | 10:18 |
| venda | this is why I think he does not want to play ball | 10:18 |
| venda | anyway, it is up to us now | 10:18 |
| mdke | you'll have to explain more patiently how it works | 10:18 |
| mdke | in terms of svn/commit access etc | 10:18 |
| venda | so please feel free to make updates as you see fit | 10:18 |
| mdke | but even so, you might be right | 10:19 |
| venda | we gave him step by step | 10:19 |
| venda | documented on the wiki :-) | 10:19 |
| mdke | for getting commit access? | 10:19 |
| mdke | saying "send a mail to elmo" might not be enough | 10:19 |
| venda | no how to checkout update create patches etc | 10:20 |
| mdke | we have to explain why, and how it works | 10:20 |
| venda | dude, you think he still does not copmprehend | 10:20 |
| mdke | a bit of both imo | 10:20 |
| venda | I think he just plays stupid | 10:20 |
| venda | it suits him to do so | 10:20 |
| venda | I know that sounds brutal | 10:21 |
| venda | new subject | 10:21 |
| mdke | k | 10:21 |
| venda | I really like mvirkkil's script | 10:21 |
| mdke | ok cool | 10:21 |
| venda | it won't go all the way, but at least we only need to concern ourselves with 10-20% overhead in porting | 10:22 |
| mdke | thats top | 10:22 |
| mdke | ok we can scrap the template idea then | 10:22 |
| venda | yes, but they will be useful to people who just want to start a doc in svn | 10:23 |
| venda | perhaps we should leave then there until we know if they will be used or not | 10:23 |
| mdke | good point | 10:24 |
| venda | Hmm right no more work for tonight | 10:26 |
| mdke | good man | 10:27 |
| mdke | you goddam spammer | 10:27 |
| === venda decides to give the commit-list a rest | ||
| venda | :-) | 10:27 |
| venda | somebody has to do it | 10:27 |
| mdke | wait longer between commits? | 10:27 |
| venda | thing is I like to work small, commit often | 10:27 |
| venda | safer | 10:27 |
| venda | good devel proactice | 10:28 |
| venda | easy to fix patches | 10:28 |
| venda | just retrieve it and fix it and commit it | 10:28 |
| mdke | fair enough | 10:29 |
| venda | but makes heavy traffic :-( | 10:29 |
| venda | on the upside it makes us all look busy :-) | 10:29 |
| mdke | true true | 10:29 |
| === venda goes in search of mako | ||
| mdke | he's disappeared lately | 10:30 |
| venda | yeah he has become illusive after udu | 10:32 |
| venda | probably pissed ast me | 10:32 |
| mdke | nah he's mega busy in the last few days | 10:32 |
| mdke | probably travelling | 10:32 |
| === venda hopes so | ||
| mdke | i've been chasing him too | 10:33 |
| mdke | btw did you see LaptopTestingTeam? | 10:35 |
| venda | no whats happening there? | 10:35 |
| mdke | check it out | 10:35 |
| === venda goes to make tea first | ||
| venda | hmm big list of people | 10:41 |
| mdke | true | 10:45 |
| mdke | not everyone will get one i guess | 10:45 |
| mdke | there was an enormous influx of wiki Userpages today | 10:46 |
| mdke | ;) | 10:46 |
| venda | enrico: how's your schedule going to be during 5.10 development? | 10:46 |
| mdke | Be BaCk LaTeR | 10:47 |
| mdke | my national football team needs my support | 10:47 |
| enrico | venda: busy, I guess. Full time job goes until the end of 2005 | 10:54 |
| venda | ok | 11:01 |
| venda | mdke: how's you r legal know on GFDL and CC-BY-SA 2.0 | 11:01 |
| mdke | zilch | 11:03 |
| mdke | but i can look it up | 11:03 |
| venda | OK, example | 11:03 |
| venda | our docs are released under dual license | 11:03 |
| mdke | i wonder whether licenses which people dont' pay for are enforceable or not | 11:04 |
| venda | what happens if we get a doc under one or the other license and want to include it in whole or in part into a doc that is under the dual regime | 11:04 |
| mdke | surely its up to you what license you grant | 11:04 |
| mdke | ask whoever holds the copyright | 11:05 |
| mdke | and if they say yes, then go for it | 11:05 |
| venda | no the external author spec the license | 11:05 |
| venda | lets say GFDL | 11:05 |
| venda | we can reuse this doc | 11:05 |
| mdke | i don't know how it works | 11:05 |
| venda | the license says so | 11:05 |
| mdke | licenses are only valid if you can enforce them in court | 11:06 |
| venda | but we have dual license | 11:06 |
| mdke | i'm not 100% sure that a license given for free would be enforceable, at least under my legal system | 11:06 |
| mdke | i'd have to look it up | 11:06 |
| venda | fsf is good at enforcing and is cc | 11:06 |
| venda | ok | 11:06 |
| mdke | i'll have a look at the fsf stuff and see if I can understand how it works | 11:07 |
| venda | night | 11:47 |
| === venda [~sean@ndn-165-138-57.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] | ||
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!