[04:12] <jsgotangco> hola
[04:12] <Burgundavia> salut
[04:13] <jsgotangco> oh i see Liz became list owner as well
[04:13] <jsgotangco> i havent seen her for quite some time though
[04:16] <jsgotangco> these aussies sure make weird passwords
[04:16] <Burgundavia> heh
[04:16] <Burgundavia> you should see the -ca one
[04:17] <jsgotangco> how active is the list?
[04:18] <Burgundavia> not bad
[04:18] <Burgundavia> a couple a week
[04:19] <jsgotangco> what's the score on your svn account?
[04:21] <Burgundavia> score?
[04:21] <Burgundavia> no idea, I haven't had access to it since I reinstalled
[04:21] <jsgotangco> i mean what's the status of your request to elmo
[04:21] <Burgundavia> oh, I haven't bothered following up right
[04:21] <Burgundavia> now
[04:22] <jsgotangco> ok
[04:22] <jsgotangco> do you mind if i upload your svg brochure to svn?
[04:25] <Burgundavia> sure
[04:25] <Burgundavia> go nuts
[05:22] <jsgotangco> robitaille, hello
[05:23] <robitaille> good evening jsgotangco 
[05:28] <robitaille> I was checking my old bugs tonight, and noticed this one:  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7195
[05:28] <robitaille> why it is seems it isn't easy to solve since it has been opened for so long.   I always tought it was simply a typo somewhere in one of the package.
[05:29] <robitaille> maybe I should take a deeper long one of these days...
[05:29] <robitaille> s/long/look
[05:33] <robitaille> ...I'm re-reading what I just typed (full of typos)... It seems I'm having a bad typing day :)
[05:33] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[05:33] <jsgotangco> let me check this in full
[05:34] <jsgotangco> i think this is scrollkeeper
[05:34] <jsgotangco> well most likely packaged stuff from upstream that scrollkeeper just catalogs
[05:41] <robitaille> since the bug is assigned to him, is Enrico around these days?  I can't remember seeing him on IRC or on the mailing list in  a while
[05:42] <jsgotangco> he's been busy with his job but he drops here usually at dawn in your time
[05:43] <jsgotangco> i could bug enrico about it when he drops by though
[06:35] <jsgotangco> wow this is the first time i did ubuntu as an apache server
[06:35] <jsgotangco> that apache2.conf is genius
[07:00] <jsgotangco> just need to figure out moin now
[07:43] <jsgotangco> hi Liz 
[07:44] <Liz> hi jsgotangco 
[07:44] <venda> African Greetings
[07:45] <Liz> kia ora sean
[07:45] <jsgotangco> eh?
[07:45] <froud> African Greetings
[07:46] <Liz> kia ora froud
[07:46] <froud> hi ya Liz where you been
[07:46] <froud> jsgotangco: howzit
[07:46] <jsgotangco> hey froud been busy :)
[07:47] <venda> yep very busy
[07:47] <venda> did you manage to speak to the author of kubuntuguide?
[07:47] <jsgotangco> nope not yet
[07:47] <jsgotangco> i should do
[07:47] <Liz> busy with the final week of uni..just in study right now before exams
[07:48] <venda> OK, I see you started the screen captures
[07:48] <venda> Liz you and mdke make a good pair, both of you are studying
[07:48] <jsgotangco> venda, they're just basic caps not sure if they pass QA
[07:49] <venda> chaps I am trolling for commitment to 5.10 devel on the docs. Liz, jsgotangco how will your schedules be between now and sept 8th
[07:49] <jsgotangco> venda, unpredictable but i'll live
[07:50] <venda> if you check the log I gave a list last night, are you OK with these targets
[07:50] <jsgotangco> hmm where is that?
[07:50] <jsgotangco> let me check the log
[07:50] <Liz> after next week, when i sit my final exam for this semester..it should be good till class starts again
[07:51] <venda> when does class start again
[07:54] <jsgotangco> you got any good link for log workaround logs seem dead
[07:54] <venda> yeah so I see
[07:54] <venda> OK here goes
[07:54] <venda> update Ubuntu Quick Guide
[07:54] <venda> release Kubuntu Kwick Guide
[07:54] <venda> release Ubuntu User Guide
[07:54] <venda> release Kubuntu User Guide
[07:55] <venda> release Ubuntu FAQ Guide
[07:55] <venda> release Kubuntu FAQ Guide
[07:55] <venda> release Ubuntu Install Guide
[07:55] <venda> release Kubuntu Install Guide
[07:55] <venda> Release Notes
[07:55] <venda> those are the targets
[07:56] <venda> mdke is on Ubuntu User Guide
[07:56] <venda> jeff-away: says in July August he can do some work and editing
[07:57] <venda> I am doing touches on Ubuntu FAQ Guide
[07:57] <jsgotangco> Kubuntu Quick Guide will be done before June ends
[07:57] <jsgotangco> its mostly caps now
[07:57] <venda> working to finish k/Ubuntu Install Guide
[07:57] <jsgotangco> Kubuntu User Guide is still empty though
[07:57] <venda> Then I am moving to K/Ubuntu User Guides
[07:58] <jsgotangco> after i do the quick guide i might do the developer docs (if there is still time)
[07:58] <venda> developer docs?
[07:58] <jsgotangco> yeah have to troll tseng about it though
[07:59] <venda> Hmmm, not part of our targets
[07:59] <jsgotangco> don't worry about it
[07:59] <venda> will you have time to work on the other targets
[07:59] <jsgotangco> ill look into the other docs later what needs to be done
[07:59] <venda> Liz: how does the above look for you?
[07:59] <venda> Heaps of stuff
[08:00] <jsgotangco> kubuntu quick guide is almost done anyway, probably 70%
[08:00] <venda> Burgundavia: can you commit to one of the above docs
[08:00] <jsgotangco> and it will just wait for changes
[08:00] <Liz> definitely a heap of stuff...
[08:00] <jsgotangco> (of course not including QA)
[08:00] <Liz> im not using Kubuntu tho..so i dont know whats what there
[08:00] <Liz> i dont use kde that is
[08:00] <venda> jsgotangco: yes, for 5.10 it will just be a case of upgrading kwickguide to breezy
[08:01] <venda> Liz that's Ok
[08:01] <venda> I think jsgotangco and I can handle kde
[08:01] <jsgotangco> yeah Kubuntu is not so complicated
[08:02] <jsgotangco> oh right
[08:02] <jsgotangco> i hvae a question though on kde
[08:02] <venda> sure
[08:02] <jsgotangco> what's the most decent docbook viewer for that
[08:02] <jsgotangco> (gnome has yelp)
[08:02] <jsgotangco> (kde = ?)
[08:02] <venda> there is not. Khelp center does not read XML
[08:02] <jsgotangco> gyahhh
[08:02] <venda> but this is not a problem
[08:02] <jsgotangco> that's what i figured
[08:02] <jsgotangco> :(
[08:02] <jsgotangco> eh?
[08:03] <jsgotangco> i dont want to transform
[08:03] <venda> since we will be transforming to HTML
[08:03] <venda> we hope that docteam.ubuntu.com will do a nightly build
[08:03] <jsgotangco> i know we're transforming but i don't want to transform everytime to view the doc
[08:03] <jsgotangco> thats why yelp is still very accessible
[08:03] <venda> this would be good since then people outside will have visability into the work in svn
[08:04] <venda> so just install yelp
[08:04] <jsgotangco> i was hoping to avoid to install yelp
[08:04] <venda> but I can say that most of the k/ubuntu docs will not support yelp very soon
[08:05] <venda> best thing is to transform
[08:05] <jsgotangco> you transform only when done
[08:05] <venda> I plan shipping html-based help system with 5.10
[08:06] <venda> yelp and khelpcenter both read html
[08:06] <venda> the xml will be shipped as src package
[08:07] <venda> the html-based system will be built on docteam.ubuntu.com, on 5.10 release it will be moved to help.ubuntu.com
[08:07] <venda> 5.10 will also include glossary sections
[08:07] <jsgotangco> you lost me
[08:07] <venda> and I hope to have time for olinks
[08:07] <venda> inter-document cross-references
[08:08] <venda> thats ok I am filling you in now :-)
[08:08] <venda> Liz: which of the above can you commit on?
[08:08] <venda> Burgundavia: are you in on any of these documents?
[08:09] <venda> so many wiki things will be ported to docbook in th eincoming folder
[08:09] <venda> jsgotangco: did you get the posters
[08:09] <venda> in artwork/
[08:10] <venda> very simple
[08:10] <venda> but clear and they work
[08:10] <jsgotangco> its ok
[08:10] <jsgotangco> im uploading more soon
[08:10] <venda> that's good, in inkscape format?
[08:10] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:10] <venda> svg :-)
[08:10] <venda> love it
[08:10] <jsgotangco> moin has been keeping me busy lately though
[08:10] <Liz> whats the most pressing venda ?
[08:11] <venda> everything:-)
[08:12] <venda> we can't update ubuntu quick guide until we know what breezy looks like
[08:12] <venda> I think that is where the least work is
[08:12] <venda> Ubuntu User Guide would be a goo dplace to focus
[08:12] <venda> just liase with mdke on what sections he is doing
[08:13] <venda> Fixes and improvements on Ubuntu FAQ Guide are welcome
[08:13] <jsgotangco> fine and dandy but he should still do it in svn
[08:14] <venda> jsgotangco: huh?
[08:14] <venda> it is all in svn
[08:14] <venda> you mean jiyuu0 
[08:14] <Liz> i dont even have them all updated at the moment
[08:14] <Liz> this is the first time ive been in in a while
[08:14] <venda> just svn up
[08:15] <venda> make pwd the trunk and do svn up
[08:15] <venda> jsgotangco: jiyuu0 says he will work in svn form here in
[08:15] <venda> jsgotangco: we can't force him to do this, if he does not, then we will just fork from him and do our own thing
[08:16] <venda> jsgotangco: that's his choice
[08:16] <venda> same with the kubuntu user guide
[08:16] <venda> we encourage them both to work with us in svn, but we can't force it
[08:17] <jsgotangco> understandable
[08:17] <venda> ok I must get dressed and start working. c ya all later :-)
[08:17] <jsgotangco> you mean you've been chatting naked
[08:17] <venda> Liz: nice seeing ya ggain stranger
[08:17] <venda> yep
[08:17] <jsgotangco> urrkk
[08:17] <venda> :-) in th eb'day suite
[08:17] <Liz> see ya venda
[10:08] <Liz> bbtomorrow
[06:41] <tarvid> is there a searchable hardware database?
[07:10] <venda> evening
[10:00] (tarvid/#ubuntu-doc) looking for a list of recommended modems and compatible printers
[10:00] (tarvid/#ubuntu-doc) i haven't found a searchable hardware database 
[10:01] <tarvid> i am lucky enough to have T1s and broadband but many of my customers are not
[10:01] <venda> Hmm, I don't think the Ubuntu Hardware database is searchable yet. 
[10:01] <tarvid> I'd like to be able to tell them "Buy this modem" and it just works.
[10:01] <venda> Just a sec
[10:02] <mdke> you can ask ogra about the hardware database, you'll find him in #ubuntu-devel
[10:03] <mdke> otherwise the only thing I can think of is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport but I have no idea how extensive it is
[10:03] <mdke> tarvid ^^
[10:04] <venda> tarvid: there is some basic stats on http://hwdb.ubuntu.com
[10:07] <tarvid> http://hwdb.ubuntu.com is rather sparse
[10:07] <tarvid> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport has no modems
[10:09] <mdke> better ask ogra then
[10:11] <venda> Hmm, yes, the hwdb is new and it is just being built.
[10:12] <venda> mdke: OK the faq is now updated to ubuntuguide 3.04 and is well-formed and valid to the best of my knowledge. People can start fixing and adding to it :-)
[10:13] <venda> I don't think Chau is going to play game and do updated in svn as he said
[10:13] <venda> so I think it best we do what it is we want to do and just fork from him
[10:14] <venda> do you think we need to track ubuntuguide.org, I really did not want this overhead.
[10:14] <mdke> venda, well if you think about it it was reasonable for him to do updates on the site
[10:15] <mdke> svn wasn't well formed until now
[10:15] <mdke> and he hasn't yet seen that he can do updates in svn and get them quickly onto the site
[10:15] <venda> No from v3 align it was valid and well-formed. The doc was open for edit I was just fixing markup
[10:15] <mdke> so if he wants to make urgent changes, (like removing the add on cd for legal reasons), he thought it was necessary to do it straight onto the site
[10:16] <mdke> you'll have to show him how to edit it in svn and convert to html so he can export it to the site
[10:16] <mdke> even then, you might be right, he might not play ball anyway
[10:16] <venda> yeah, I was hoping he would do it in svn and tranform then upload to the site
[10:16] <venda> or we could show him how to transform and upload to the site
[10:17] <mdke> he'll need a commit account before he will stop working on the site too
[10:17] <venda> I have already made a number of fixes he could have benfitted from
[10:17] <venda> I asked him to send mail to elmo
[10:17] <venda> and enrico has said good
[10:18] <venda> they did not get email from him
[10:18] <venda> we also offered to patch for him
[10:18] <venda> this is why I think he does not want to play ball
[10:18] <venda> anyway, it is up to us now
[10:18] <mdke> you'll have to explain more patiently how it works
[10:18] <mdke> in terms of svn/commit access etc
[10:18] <venda> so please feel free to make updates as you see fit
[10:19] <mdke> but even so, you might be right
[10:19] <venda> we gave him step by step
[10:19] <venda> documented on the wiki :-)
[10:19] <mdke> for getting commit access?
[10:19] <mdke> saying "send a mail to elmo" might not be enough
[10:20] <venda> no how to checkout update create patches etc
[10:20] <mdke> we have to explain why, and how it works
[10:20] <venda> dude, you think he still does not copmprehend
[10:20] <mdke> a bit of both imo
[10:20] <venda> I think he just plays stupid
[10:20] <venda> it suits him to do so
[10:21] <venda> I know that sounds brutal
[10:21] <venda> new subject
[10:21] <mdke> k
[10:21] <venda> I really like mvirkkil's script
[10:21] <mdke> ok cool
[10:22] <venda> it won't go all the way, but at least we only need to concern ourselves with 10-20% overhead in porting
[10:22] <mdke> thats top
[10:22] <mdke> ok we can scrap the template idea then
[10:23] <venda> yes, but they will be useful to people who just want to start a doc in svn
[10:23] <venda> perhaps we should leave then there until we know if they will be used or not
[10:24] <mdke> good point
[10:26] <venda> Hmm right no more work for tonight
[10:27] <mdke> good man
[10:27] <mdke> you goddam spammer
[10:27] <venda> :-)
[10:27] <venda> somebody has to do it
[10:27] <mdke> wait longer between commits?
[10:27] <venda> thing is I like to work small, commit often
[10:27] <venda> safer
[10:28] <venda> good devel proactice
[10:28] <venda> easy to fix patches
[10:28] <venda> just retrieve it and fix it and commit it
[10:29] <mdke> fair enough
[10:29] <venda> but makes heavy traffic :-(
[10:29] <venda> on the upside it makes us all look busy :-)
[10:29] <mdke> true true
[10:30] <mdke> he's disappeared lately
[10:32] <venda> yeah he has become illusive after udu
[10:32] <venda> probably pissed ast me
[10:32] <mdke> nah he's mega busy in the last few days
[10:32] <mdke> probably travelling
[10:33] <mdke> i've been chasing him too
[10:35] <mdke> btw did you see LaptopTestingTeam?
[10:35] <venda> no whats happening there?
[10:35] <mdke> check it out
[10:41] <venda> hmm big list of people
[10:45] <mdke> true
[10:45] <mdke> not everyone will get one i guess
[10:46] <mdke> there was an enormous influx of wiki Userpages today
[10:46] <mdke> ;)
[10:46] <venda> enrico: how's your schedule going to be during 5.10 development?
[10:47] <mdke> Be BaCk LaTeR
[10:47] <mdke> my national football team needs my support
[10:54] <enrico> venda: busy, I guess.  Full time job goes until the end of 2005
[11:01] <venda> ok
[11:01] <venda> mdke: how's you r legal know on GFDL and CC-BY-SA 2.0
[11:03] <mdke> zilch
[11:03] <mdke> but i can look it up
[11:03] <venda> OK, example
[11:03] <venda> our docs are released under dual license
[11:04] <mdke> i wonder whether licenses which people dont' pay for are enforceable or not
[11:04] <venda> what happens if we get a doc under one or the other license and want to include it in whole or in part into a doc that is under the dual regime
[11:04] <mdke> surely its up to you what license you grant
[11:05] <mdke> ask whoever holds the copyright
[11:05] <mdke> and if they say yes, then go for it
[11:05] <venda> no the external author spec the license
[11:05] <venda> lets say GFDL
[11:05] <venda> we can reuse this doc
[11:05] <mdke> i don't know how it works
[11:05] <venda> the license says so
[11:06] <mdke> licenses are only valid if you can enforce them in court
[11:06] <venda> but we have dual license
[11:06] <mdke> i'm not 100% sure that a license given for free would be enforceable, at least under my legal system
[11:06] <mdke> i'd have to look it up
[11:06] <venda> fsf is good at enforcing and is cc
[11:06] <venda> ok
[11:07] <mdke> i'll have a look at the fsf stuff and see if I can understand how it works
[11:47] <venda> night