=== Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia_ [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:12] hola [04:12] salut [04:13] oh i see Liz became list owner as well [04:13] i havent seen her for quite some time though [04:16] these aussies sure make weird passwords [04:16] heh [04:16] you should see the -ca one [04:17] how active is the list? [04:18] not bad [04:18] a couple a week [04:19] what's the score on your svn account? [04:21] score? [04:21] no idea, I haven't had access to it since I reinstalled [04:21] i mean what's the status of your request to elmo [04:21] oh, I haven't bothered following up right [04:21] now [04:22] ok [04:22] do you mind if i upload your svg brochure to svn? [04:25] sure [04:25] go nuts === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.95.213.246] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:22] robitaille, hello [05:23] good evening jsgotangco [05:28] I was checking my old bugs tonight, and noticed this one: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7195 [05:28] why it is seems it isn't easy to solve since it has been opened for so long. I always tought it was simply a typo somewhere in one of the package. [05:29] maybe I should take a deeper long one of these days... [05:29] s/long/look [05:33] ...I'm re-reading what I just typed (full of typos)... It seems I'm having a bad typing day :) [05:33] ahhh [05:33] let me check this in full [05:34] i think this is scrollkeeper [05:34] well most likely packaged stuff from upstream that scrollkeeper just catalogs === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-88.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:41] since the bug is assigned to him, is Enrico around these days? I can't remember seeing him on IRC or on the mailing list in a while [05:42] he's been busy with his job but he drops here usually at dawn in your time [05:43] i could bug enrico about it when he drops by though [06:35] wow this is the first time i did ubuntu as an apache server [06:35] that apache2.conf is genius [07:00] just need to figure out moin now === Liz [~Liz@fixed-203-87-81-158.nsw.chariot.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:43] hi Liz [07:44] hi jsgotangco === venda [~sean@ndn-165-138-57.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:44] African Greetings [07:45] kia ora sean [07:45] eh? [07:45] African Greetings [07:46] kia ora froud [07:46] hi ya Liz where you been [07:46] jsgotangco: howzit [07:46] hey froud been busy :) [07:47] yep very busy [07:47] did you manage to speak to the author of kubuntuguide? [07:47] nope not yet [07:47] i should do === jsgotangco makes a note [07:47] busy with the final week of uni..just in study right now before exams [07:48] OK, I see you started the screen captures [07:48] Liz you and mdke make a good pair, both of you are studying [07:48] venda, they're just basic caps not sure if they pass QA [07:49] chaps I am trolling for commitment to 5.10 devel on the docs. Liz, jsgotangco how will your schedules be between now and sept 8th [07:49] venda, unpredictable but i'll live [07:50] if you check the log I gave a list last night, are you OK with these targets [07:50] hmm where is that? [07:50] let me check the log [07:50] after next week, when i sit my final exam for this semester..it should be good till class starts again [07:51] when does class start again [07:54] you got any good link for log workaround logs seem dead [07:54] yeah so I see [07:54] OK here goes [07:54] update Ubuntu Quick Guide [07:54] release Kubuntu Kwick Guide [07:54] release Ubuntu User Guide [07:54] release Kubuntu User Guide [07:55] release Ubuntu FAQ Guide [07:55] release Kubuntu FAQ Guide [07:55] release Ubuntu Install Guide [07:55] release Kubuntu Install Guide [07:55] Release Notes [07:55] those are the targets [07:56] mdke is on Ubuntu User Guide [07:56] jeff-away: says in July August he can do some work and editing [07:57] I am doing touches on Ubuntu FAQ Guide [07:57] Kubuntu Quick Guide will be done before June ends [07:57] its mostly caps now [07:57] working to finish k/Ubuntu Install Guide [07:57] Kubuntu User Guide is still empty though [07:57] Then I am moving to K/Ubuntu User Guides [07:58] after i do the quick guide i might do the developer docs (if there is still time) [07:58] developer docs? [07:58] yeah have to troll tseng about it though [07:59] Hmmm, not part of our targets [07:59] don't worry about it [07:59] will you have time to work on the other targets [07:59] ill look into the other docs later what needs to be done [07:59] Liz: how does the above look for you? [07:59] Heaps of stuff [08:00] kubuntu quick guide is almost done anyway, probably 70% [08:00] Burgundavia: can you commit to one of the above docs [08:00] and it will just wait for changes [08:00] definitely a heap of stuff... [08:00] (of course not including QA) [08:00] im not using Kubuntu tho..so i dont know whats what there [08:00] i dont use kde that is [08:00] jsgotangco: yes, for 5.10 it will just be a case of upgrading kwickguide to breezy [08:01] Liz that's Ok [08:01] I think jsgotangco and I can handle kde [08:01] yeah Kubuntu is not so complicated === venda KDE gooooood [08:02] oh right [08:02] i hvae a question though on kde [08:02] sure [08:02] what's the most decent docbook viewer for that [08:02] (gnome has yelp) [08:02] (kde = ?) [08:02] there is not. Khelp center does not read XML [08:02] gyahhh [08:02] but this is not a problem [08:02] that's what i figured [08:02] :( [08:02] eh? [08:03] i dont want to transform [08:03] since we will be transforming to HTML [08:03] we hope that docteam.ubuntu.com will do a nightly build [08:03] i know we're transforming but i don't want to transform everytime to view the doc [08:03] thats why yelp is still very accessible [08:03] this would be good since then people outside will have visability into the work in svn [08:04] so just install yelp [08:04] i was hoping to avoid to install yelp [08:04] but I can say that most of the k/ubuntu docs will not support yelp very soon [08:05] best thing is to transform [08:05] you transform only when done [08:05] I plan shipping html-based help system with 5.10 [08:06] yelp and khelpcenter both read html [08:06] the xml will be shipped as src package [08:07] the html-based system will be built on docteam.ubuntu.com, on 5.10 release it will be moved to help.ubuntu.com [08:07] 5.10 will also include glossary sections [08:07] you lost me [08:07] and I hope to have time for olinks === jsgotangco havent been attentive on emails lately [08:07] inter-document cross-references [08:08] thats ok I am filling you in now :-) [08:08] Liz: which of the above can you commit on? [08:08] Burgundavia: are you in on any of these documents? === venda also remember we now have the moin to docbook thang from mvirkkil [08:09] so many wiki things will be ported to docbook in th eincoming folder [08:09] jsgotangco: did you get the posters [08:09] in artwork/ [08:10] very simple [08:10] but clear and they work [08:10] its ok [08:10] im uploading more soon [08:10] that's good, in inkscape format? [08:10] yeah [08:10] svg :-) [08:10] love it [08:10] moin has been keeping me busy lately though [08:10] whats the most pressing venda ? [08:11] everything:-) [08:12] we can't update ubuntu quick guide until we know what breezy looks like [08:12] I think that is where the least work is [08:12] Ubuntu User Guide would be a goo dplace to focus [08:12] just liase with mdke on what sections he is doing [08:13] Fixes and improvements on Ubuntu FAQ Guide are welcome [08:13] fine and dandy but he should still do it in svn [08:14] jsgotangco: huh? [08:14] it is all in svn [08:14] you mean jiyuu0 [08:14] i dont even have them all updated at the moment [08:14] this is the first time ive been in in a while [08:14] just svn up [08:15] make pwd the trunk and do svn up [08:15] jsgotangco: jiyuu0 says he will work in svn form here in [08:15] jsgotangco: we can't force him to do this, if he does not, then we will just fork from him and do our own thing [08:16] jsgotangco: that's his choice [08:16] same with the kubuntu user guide [08:16] we encourage them both to work with us in svn, but we can't force it [08:17] understandable [08:17] ok I must get dressed and start working. c ya all later :-) [08:17] you mean you've been chatting naked [08:17] Liz: nice seeing ya ggain stranger [08:17] yep [08:17] urrkk [08:17] :-) in th eb'day suite [08:17] see ya venda === froud-away [~froud@ndn-165-138-57.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:08] bbtomorrow === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc === SnakeBite [~SnakeBite@84.242.143.75] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tarvid [~tarvid@68-67-192-202.chvlva.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:41] is there a searchable hardware database? === _venda [~sean@ndn-165-138-57.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _venda is now known as venda [07:10] evening === SnakeBite [~SnakeBite@84.242.143.75] has left #ubuntu-doc [""] === ubuntulog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://irclog.workaround.org | This channel tries to follow the tradition of the #gnome-love channel on irc.gimp.net, all new comers and questions are welcomed, as long as you follow the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first. === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by sivang at Sat Jan 1 20:48:30 2005 === ubuntulog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://irclog.workaround.org | This channel tries to follow the tradition of the #gnome-love channel on irc.gimp.net, all new comers and questions are welcomed, as long as you follow the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first. === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by sivang at Sat Jan 1 20:48:30 2005 === #ubuntu-doc [freenode-info] please register your nickname...don't forget to auto-identify! http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup [10:00] (tarvid/#ubuntu-doc) looking for a list of recommended modems and compatible printers [10:00] (tarvid/#ubuntu-doc) i haven't found a searchable hardware database [10:01] i am lucky enough to have T1s and broadband but many of my customers are not [10:01] Hmm, I don't think the Ubuntu Hardware database is searchable yet. [10:01] I'd like to be able to tell them "Buy this modem" and it just works. [10:01] Just a sec === venda goes to check [10:02] you can ask ogra about the hardware database, you'll find him in #ubuntu-devel [10:03] otherwise the only thing I can think of is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport but I have no idea how extensive it is [10:03] tarvid ^^ [10:04] tarvid: there is some basic stats on http://hwdb.ubuntu.com [10:07] http://hwdb.ubuntu.com is rather sparse [10:07] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport has no modems [10:09] better ask ogra then [10:11] Hmm, yes, the hwdb is new and it is just being built. [10:12] mdke: OK the faq is now updated to ubuntuguide 3.04 and is well-formed and valid to the best of my knowledge. People can start fixing and adding to it :-) [10:13] I don't think Chau is going to play game and do updated in svn as he said [10:13] so I think it best we do what it is we want to do and just fork from him [10:14] do you think we need to track ubuntuguide.org, I really did not want this overhead. [10:14] venda, well if you think about it it was reasonable for him to do updates on the site [10:15] svn wasn't well formed until now [10:15] and he hasn't yet seen that he can do updates in svn and get them quickly onto the site [10:15] No from v3 align it was valid and well-formed. The doc was open for edit I was just fixing markup [10:15] so if he wants to make urgent changes, (like removing the add on cd for legal reasons), he thought it was necessary to do it straight onto the site [10:16] you'll have to show him how to edit it in svn and convert to html so he can export it to the site [10:16] even then, you might be right, he might not play ball anyway [10:16] yeah, I was hoping he would do it in svn and tranform then upload to the site [10:16] or we could show him how to transform and upload to the site [10:17] he'll need a commit account before he will stop working on the site too [10:17] I have already made a number of fixes he could have benfitted from [10:17] I asked him to send mail to elmo [10:17] and enrico has said good [10:18] they did not get email from him [10:18] we also offered to patch for him [10:18] this is why I think he does not want to play ball [10:18] anyway, it is up to us now [10:18] you'll have to explain more patiently how it works [10:18] in terms of svn/commit access etc [10:18] so please feel free to make updates as you see fit [10:19] but even so, you might be right [10:19] we gave him step by step [10:19] documented on the wiki :-) [10:19] for getting commit access? [10:19] saying "send a mail to elmo" might not be enough [10:20] no how to checkout update create patches etc [10:20] we have to explain why, and how it works [10:20] dude, you think he still does not copmprehend [10:20] a bit of both imo [10:20] I think he just plays stupid [10:20] it suits him to do so [10:21] I know that sounds brutal [10:21] new subject [10:21] k [10:21] I really like mvirkkil's script [10:21] ok cool [10:22] it won't go all the way, but at least we only need to concern ourselves with 10-20% overhead in porting [10:22] thats top [10:22] ok we can scrap the template idea then [10:23] yes, but they will be useful to people who just want to start a doc in svn [10:23] perhaps we should leave then there until we know if they will be used or not [10:24] good point [10:26] Hmm right no more work for tonight [10:27] good man [10:27] you goddam spammer === venda decides to give the commit-list a rest [10:27] :-) [10:27] somebody has to do it [10:27] wait longer between commits? [10:27] thing is I like to work small, commit often [10:27] safer [10:28] good devel proactice [10:28] easy to fix patches [10:28] just retrieve it and fix it and commit it [10:29] fair enough [10:29] but makes heavy traffic :-( [10:29] on the upside it makes us all look busy :-) [10:29] true true === venda goes in search of mako [10:30] he's disappeared lately [10:32] yeah he has become illusive after udu [10:32] probably pissed ast me [10:32] nah he's mega busy in the last few days [10:32] probably travelling === venda hopes so [10:33] i've been chasing him too [10:35] btw did you see LaptopTestingTeam? [10:35] no whats happening there? [10:35] check it out === venda goes to make tea first [10:41] hmm big list of people [10:45] true [10:45] not everyone will get one i guess [10:46] there was an enormous influx of wiki Userpages today [10:46] ;) [10:46] enrico: how's your schedule going to be during 5.10 development? [10:47] Be BaCk LaTeR [10:47] my national football team needs my support [10:54] venda: busy, I guess. Full time job goes until the end of 2005 [11:01] ok [11:01] mdke: how's you r legal know on GFDL and CC-BY-SA 2.0 [11:03] zilch [11:03] but i can look it up [11:03] OK, example [11:03] our docs are released under dual license [11:04] i wonder whether licenses which people dont' pay for are enforceable or not [11:04] what happens if we get a doc under one or the other license and want to include it in whole or in part into a doc that is under the dual regime [11:04] surely its up to you what license you grant [11:05] ask whoever holds the copyright [11:05] and if they say yes, then go for it [11:05] no the external author spec the license [11:05] lets say GFDL [11:05] we can reuse this doc [11:05] i don't know how it works [11:05] the license says so [11:06] licenses are only valid if you can enforce them in court [11:06] but we have dual license [11:06] i'm not 100% sure that a license given for free would be enforceable, at least under my legal system [11:06] i'd have to look it up [11:06] fsf is good at enforcing and is cc [11:06] ok [11:07] i'll have a look at the fsf stuff and see if I can understand how it works [11:47] night === venda [~sean@ndn-165-138-57.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation]