[12:10] <siretart> has anyone else also problems loggin into our wiki?
[12:20] <siretart> ok, created new account, works again
[12:26] <siretart> gn8, folks
[12:28] <HiddenWolf> Ok, jongens
[12:28] <HiddenWolf> geloofscrisis
[12:28] <HiddenWolf> http://www.symphonyos.com/desktop.html
[12:29] <mgalvin> dinner time, l8r all
[12:30] <HiddenWolf> sorry, didn't tab right.
[12:30] <HiddenWolf> That was dutch, and ment for #u-nl
[01:37] <pf-guest> can anyone help a fool who fogot his usrname during a protracted move from one state to another??????
[01:39] <pf-guest> :(  I guess not  *sigh*
[01:45] <Unfrgiven> hi all
[01:45] <Unfrgiven> im just building anjuta for gcc4. it builds cleanly
[01:46] <Unfrgiven> and doesnt require any packages. do i need to do anything for this app?
[01:56] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: nope
[01:56] <Unfrgiven> bummer.. :(
[01:57] <Unfrgiven> so are we only really concerned with libs?
[01:57] <Unfrgiven> be back soon... got a meeting
[01:57] <ajmitch> yes, just libs at the moment
[02:22] <StR> Hi there...
[02:23] <StR> anyone here could helo me with the gmailfs status?
[02:55] <tseng> oh man there goes my productivity
[02:55] <tseng> got mythtv going again
[03:03] <schweeb> poor tseng
[03:06] <schweeb> tseng: I'm ordering my new laptop
[03:10] <tseng> schweeb: good
[03:10] <tseng> schweeb: your old one sucks
[03:10] <zul> anyone know what this error means...description-synopsis-starts-with-an-article
[03:10] <tseng> zul: probably it starts with an article
[03:10] <tseng> A, The.. right?
[03:10] <zul> heh...yeah
[03:11] <schweeb> tseng: getting an X41, fully loaded
[03:11] <tseng> schweeb: rock on
[03:11] <schweeb> then, my friend
[03:11] <schweeb> THEN
[03:11] <schweeb> I can start working on packages again
[03:12] <tseng> yeah right
[03:12] <tseng> slacker
[03:12] <schweeb> hehe
[03:12] <schweeb> I finally got my work VPN access, so things will be goin a lot easier
[04:29] <Burgundavia> [Chameleon] , please turn that off
[04:31] <[Chameleon] > Burgundavia: interesting... two channels I get a warm welcome, and one I get "please turn that off".
[04:32] <Burgundavia> [Chameleon] , imagine if everybody had one of those things going
[04:32] <Burgundavia> the signal noise ration would be horrendous
[04:32] <[Chameleon] > Burgundavia: does everybody?
[04:33] <[Chameleon] > Burgundavia: Just for you, I have configured it to be silent on channels with more than 30 users
[04:33] <[Chameleon] > ... I think...
[04:33] <[Chameleon] > let me test it
[04:33] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:33] <[Chameleon] > Burgundavia: did you see it?
[04:33] <Burgundavia> yep
[04:33] <jsgotangco> go nuts
[04:33] <Burgundavia> and I saw it #ubuntu as well
[04:34] <[Chameleon] > well, either it requires a restart or it just doesn't work.
[04:34] <[Chameleon] > I think I have just turned it off...
[04:35] <[Chameleon] > I just went away and back
[04:35] <[Chameleon] > and I don't think it printed
[04:35] <[Chameleon] > Burgundavia: confirm?
[04:35] <Burgundavia> yes, i didn't see it that time
[04:35] <[Chameleon] > Burgundavia: happy now?
[04:35] <Burgundavia> yes
[04:35] <Burgundavia> thank you
[04:36] <[Chameleon] > yeah
[05:46] <danko123456> can I ask this question here:  whats the difference between universe and multiverse?
[05:46] <Unfrgiven> universe is open source software and multiverse is closed source.
[05:46] <danko123456> thank you.
[05:46] <Unfrgiven> danko123456: no probs :)
[05:46] <danko123456> kk:)
[05:51] <\sh> morning
[05:54] <schweeb> night :)
[05:55] <\sh> :))
[07:32] <Unfrgiven> \sh: hey, how you doing?
[07:57] <\sh> re
[08:03] <Unfrgiven> re?!?
[08:04] <crimmy> (re-hi)
[08:05] <Unfrgiven> ah right )
[08:05] <Unfrgiven> :)
[08:06] <jsgotangco> Unfrgiven, hey
[08:06] <Unfrgiven> ive got a problem with a pacakage i'm testing for the c++ transition. its called ocaml-nox but all other packages that depend on it depend on "ocaml-nox-3.08". in other words the maintainers have put the specific version number in the name. IMO this needs to be changed. does that sound ok? i'm going to remove the version number from the package name and the depends will become "ocaml-nox (>= 3.08)"
[08:06] <Unfrgiven> jsgotangco: hey dude. how r u?
[08:06] <jsgotangco> not bad
[08:06] <jsgotangco> playing around with moin
[08:06] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:07] <Unfrgiven> jsgotangco: moin rocks :)
[08:08] <jsgotangco> Unfrgiven, ive been trying about apache2 and moin on hoary
[08:08] <jsgotangco> its been pretty seamless with apache2
[08:08] <Unfrgiven> jsgotangco: just to let you know that I have been doing work on the intro developer docs... not ready for review yet but im still chugging away at it.
[08:08] <jsgotangco> oohhh
[08:08] <jsgotangco> that's great
[08:08] <jsgotangco> i think i should update the wiki
[08:08] <jsgotangco> just in case
[08:09] <crimmy> Unfrgiven: that seems really, really odd.
[08:09] <crimmy> Unfrgiven: are all those packages really strongly version-dependent?
[08:10] <Unfrgiven> crimmy: yeah i was shocked. you can try it yourself... try apt-get install ocaml-findlib"
[08:10] <Unfrgiven> crimmy: doesnt seem like it. and even if they were, its still the wrong way to do it
[08:10] <crimmy> Unfrgiven: what does the Debian maintainer say?
[08:10] <Unfrgiven> any pacakge dependant on ocaml-nox is uninstallable...
[08:11] <Unfrgiven> crimmy: i havent e-mailed him yet. ill do so today
[08:11] <crimmy> I would have ocaml-nox-3.08 provide ocaml-nox and thus have all packages depend on ocaml-nox
[08:11] <crimmy> BUT that's only if those packages aren't strongly version-dependent
[08:12] <Unfrgiven> why not call it ocaml-nox and have a depends in other packages as "ocaml-nox (= 3.08)"?
[08:12] <\sh> first of all....I need a coffeine and some nicotine
[08:12] <Unfrgiven> its a real mess
[08:13] <DanielN> hi folks :)
[08:13] <Unfrgiven> crimmy: im thinking that im just going to clean up the packages for ubuntu anyway... as it is they are not currently installable
[08:14] <Unfrgiven> DanielN: hi :)
[08:14] <Unfrgiven> heres a general question, when we package an app for ubuntu by using a debian package, do we need to change the "Maintainer" field in the control file?
[08:15] <crimmy> no
[08:15] <crimmy> Changed-by will be done automatically
[08:15] <Unfrgiven> ok. but in the changelog we put our own name right?
[08:15] <crimmy> yes
[08:16] <crimmy> you could just call it ocaml-nox and have those packages depend on that = version, sure
[08:16] <crimmy> you really need to work that out with the Debian maintainer [group] 
[08:16] <Unfrgiven> crimmy: thats the plan.
[08:16] <Unfrgiven> i will e-mail them... but i do think that they've stuffed something up here... because the packages are totally not installable (not on ubuntu or debian(
[08:17] <DanielN> ouou
[08:18] <DanielN> i need help
[08:18] <Unfrgiven> DanielN: what can we help you with? :)
[08:18] <DanielN> i've got a file, beginning with '\' and i need it know, but i can't copy it from console (only having console)
[08:19] <Unfrgiven> '\\'?
[08:19] <DanielN> no only \filename.sxw
[08:19] <Unfrgiven> i meant, have you tried "cp \\filename.sxw blah"
[08:19] <DanielN> yeah
[08:19] <DanielN> ah
[08:20] <DanielN> not yet ;)
[08:20] <Unfrgiven> haha :)
[08:20] <DanielN> haha
[08:20] <DanielN> working
[08:20] <DanielN> thanks a lot :)
[08:20] <Unfrgiven> np
[08:20] <\sh> jesus
[08:20] <\sh> i fixed arkrpg
[08:21] <Unfrgiven> \sh: congrats!
[08:21] <crimmy> excellent
[08:21] <Unfrgiven> \sh: i read your blog... it sounded painful
[08:21] <\sh> yeah
[08:21] <\sh> first of all, autotools sh*t and then g++ source errors :(
[08:22] <Unfrgiven> \sh: now i just hope that someone actually uses it :)
[08:22] <crimmy> autotools is always crack
[08:22] <\sh> Unfrgiven: i don't mind :) but at least, we can go on with the universe cxx trans
[08:26] <Unfrgiven> \sh: while everyone is here i may as well ask. whats the best way to identify packages that need love for the c++ transition. im talking universes specific. is it only stuff on the CXXLibraryList wiki page that doesn't have a "who" assigned? beucase i don't think that list has all the packages...
[08:26] <\sh> Unfrgiven: well, most of it is on this list
[08:27] <\sh> Unfrgiven: the rest we will take care about it later..first all libs must be done, then we need to see about the apps
[08:28] <Unfrgiven> \sh: ok...
[08:47] <DanielN> \sh: it think i've fixed your requests now, uploaded :)
[08:50] <\sh> DanielN: will check it later...need to fix some dtv issues here
[08:52] <DanielN> no problem .. just wanted to inform you :)
[09:27] <DanielN> does someone know, who to ping for ALSA related questions?
[10:22] <DanielN> Cxx transition: is "just" rebuilding c++ packages with gcc4 ?
[10:28] <\sh> not "just"..:)
[10:29] <\sh> for g++ libs u have to rename the lib pkgs
[10:32] <DanielN> ok
[10:33] <DanielN> if you think i'm able to do some work there, i would help:)
[10:54] <doko> DanielN, just pick a package, read the wiki pages, and file a bug report together with the patch
[11:03] <DanielN> doko: and if no patch is required to build?
[11:03] <doko> which package?
[11:03] <DanielN> just for example
[11:04] <doko> for a library, there's always a patach needed
[11:04] <DanielN> aha
[11:04] <DanielN> ok .. i think i have to read a bit more about
[11:04] <DanielN> :)
[11:05] <DanielN> and how i try to build with gcc4? pbuilder i.e. ?
[11:07] <\sh> DanielN: in the end, u should have luck and everything is easy :) but if you find a package like arkrpg then you should sit early in the morning with classic music and the gcc-3.4 g++ changes documentation on the toilet and reading ;)
[11:07] <doko> DanielN, just setup a breezy chroot
[11:08] <doko> DanielN, pickup the cppopt package, looks like an easy one
[11:08] <DanielN> doko: pbuilder won't suffice?
[11:08] <DanielN> \sh: sounds like fun ;)
[11:09] <doko> sure, if it runs in a breezy environment
[11:09] <DanielN> it does :)
[11:13] <DanielN> doko: so i'll try cppopt :)
[11:19] <DanielN> hmm
[11:22] <DanielN> doko: so i must do a patch only for renaming the package?
[11:22] <doko> DanielN: yes
[11:24] <DanielN> doko: and this happens like a normal patch?
[11:24] <DanielN> but only diff debian/controll?
[11:29] <doko> DanielN, depends on the package
[11:29] <DanielN> yeah
[11:29] <DanielN> i should have it now .. looked over some other patches to get it :)
[11:31] <doko> you know https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreezyToolchainTransition ?
[11:31] <DanielN> yep
[11:33] <opi> morning :-)
[11:33] <Treenaks> hey
[11:33] <\sh> ok...eris is passed
[11:34] <Treenaks> Eris?
[11:34] <\sh> arkrpg ia64 compilation not ready...
[11:34] <\sh> liberis-1.2
[11:34] <\sh> oh did i say, i fixed all errors in arkrpg this morning? ;)
[11:36] <Treenaks> \sh: it's now officially bug-free ?
[11:37] <siretart> \sh: you did?! ROCK!
[11:37] <siretart> \sh: what was it?
[11:37] <\sh> Treenaks: i don't know, but now it's officially "compiling on my machine without errors"
[11:38] <\sh> siretart: read my blogentry...I figured out, that listening to vanessa mae and her interpretation of vivaldi and reading g++ changes is good for better understanding
[11:39] <\sh> siretart: the c++ errors were really easy in the end :)
[11:40] <\sh> http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-3.4/changes.html#cplusplus
[11:40] <\sh> search in this document for: Using a name introduced by a typedef in a friend declaration or in an explicit instantiation is now rejected, as specified by the ISO C++ standard.
[11:40] <\sh> and u find the solution after this sentence
[11:42] <siretart> puh. you absolutly rock
[11:43] <siretart> I justed tried it with g++-3.4, there it seemes to work
[11:43] <siretart> gotta go, cu later
[12:44] <ivoks> hi all
[12:44] <ivoks> doko: ping
[12:47] <ivoks> doko: I can't upload, I'm just a member, not MOTU :(
[12:48] <ivoks> DanielN_: :)
[12:49] <DanielN_> ivoks: here :)
[12:49] <Unfrgiven> hi all ive just had a crack at packaging an app for the c++ transition. could someone review it?
[12:49] <ivoks> DanielN_: to become MOTU, you have to be Member first
[12:49] <DanielN_> yeah
[12:49] <DanielN_> i know
[12:49] <ivoks> DanielN_: are you member?
[12:49] <DanielN_> no
[12:50] <ivoks> :)
[12:50] <DanielN_> ;(
[12:50] <ivoks> then start with that first :)
[12:50] <doko> DanielN_, just put it somewhere on the web
[12:50] <DanielN_> what?
[12:50] <doko> or submit a bug report in bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[12:51] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: crack?
[12:51] <DanielN_> doko: i have to provide the patch-diff only, right?
[12:51] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: ?!?!
[12:51] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: < Unfrgiven> hi all ive just had a crack
[12:51] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: hehe aussie slang :)
[12:52] <ivoks> DanielN_: i will help you with package... leave doko, he has much things to do :)
[12:52] <ivoks> DanielN_: so... where did you stuck?
[12:52] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: so... it doesn't compile or what? :)
[12:52] <Unfrgiven> doko: could you review the package i just did for the c++ transition? http://ankur.ath.cx/ubuntu/libextractor/
[12:53] <DanielN_> ivoks: i'm not stucked .. i don't now why he has pinged me :)
[12:53] <ivoks> :)
[12:53] <DanielN_> but thanks for your help anyway, i'll use it maybe other times :)
[12:54] <doko> Unfrgiven: where's the debdiff?
[12:54] <ivoks> :)
[12:55] <ivoks> doko: i could help him, if you want :)
[12:55] <doko> ivoks: sure, please do
[12:55] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: you have to do debdiff
[12:55] <Unfrgiven> doko: ivoks: http://ankur.ath.cx/ubuntu/libextractor/libextractor_0.4.2-2.diff.gz
[12:55] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: no, that's not it...
[12:55] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: i'll explain you
[12:55] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: when you d/w source, you get three files
[12:55] <\sh> doko: thx for reviewing :)
[12:56] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: .diff.gz, .dsc and .tar.gz
[12:56] <Unfrgiven> yep
[12:56] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: when you build your source, you also get .diff.gz, .dsc and .tar.gz
[12:56] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: but different version
[12:56] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: then you need to do debdiff <package>-<oldversion>.dsc <package>-<newversion>.dsc
[12:57] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: that will output all the changes in these two releases
[12:57] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: ah i see
[12:57] <Unfrgiven> ok
[12:57] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: so, we just download old source, put that diff, and we have your source
[12:58] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: redirect output in some file, calling it .diff or .patch
[12:58] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: ah gotcha. alright i'll do that now
[12:58] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: and upload only that file, not whole source :)
[12:58] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: i did same mistakes only 2-3 weeks ago :)
[01:00] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: :)
[01:00] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: thanks for the advice. ill have another "crack" at it ;)
[01:00] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: so, i could take a look at your package, but i'm not a MOTU and can't do reviews or uploads
[01:01] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: yeah me neither. im trying earn my way to becoming a MOTU :)
[01:01] <DanielN_> candidate here too :)
[01:01] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: there is something much better on that way than becoming a MOTU - you will learn how to package :)
[01:02] <ivoks> i'm not candidate yet, i don't feel ready yet...
[01:02] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: yeah im trying to learn that too... in fact im implementing the IntroDeveloperDocs spec... so learning packaging is a must!
[01:03] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: do i need to add the "c2" to the "Package" field?
[01:04] <ivoks> uh...
[01:04] <ivoks> not only that...
[01:04] <ivoks> you have to add c2 if it wasn't c102
[01:04] <ivoks> and you have to fix dependecies
[01:04] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: yeah it wasnt...
[01:05] <ivoks> so -dev of that package depends on packagec2
[01:05] <ivoks> and all dependencies, if they are different, of the source
[01:05] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: ok cool, thanks :)
[01:05] <ivoks> if there is libxclass, it must become libxclassc2
[01:05] <ivoks> but not all apackages
[01:05] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: so i need to also update all the packages from apt-cache rdepends <lib>?
[01:06] <ivoks> you have check CxxLibraryList and apt-cache search
[01:06] <ivoks> no
[01:06] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: but you have to add new lines to control file
[01:07] <ivoks> yourpackagec2 must replace yourpackage, and it has to conflict with yourpackage
[01:07] <ivoks> yourpackage-dev must depend on yourpackagec2
[01:07] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: ok... so Provides, Conflicts and Replaces?
[01:07] <ivoks> no Provides
[01:07] <ivoks> only Conflicts and Replaces
[01:07] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: ok
[01:08] <chmj> CXX Transition 101 -> wiki pages
[01:08] <ivoks> yeah :)
[01:09] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: it's not very easy in the begining
[01:09] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: but after while you'll understand most of it...
[01:09] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CxxLibraryList
[01:10] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: well with such friendly developers, i can only succeed :)
[01:10] <ivoks> :)
[01:11] <ivoks> time to go...
[01:11] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: ok, thanks for your help
[01:11] <ivoks> np
[01:12] <ivoks> you read that text on CxxLibraryList
[01:14] <ogra> hi all
[01:15] <ogra> is anybody fond of doing a postgresql transition for pittis new packages ?
[01:15] <Unfrgiven> ogra: hi
[01:15] <ogra> hey Unfrgiven
[01:15] <Treenaks> ogra: change build-dep; check if it still works; re-upload, right?
[01:15] <ogra> yep
[01:16] <Treenaks> not too many packages?
[01:16] <ogra> the list is on the ubuntu-devel ML
[01:16] <Treenaks> yeah I saw it
[01:16] <ivoks> ogra: hi :)
[01:16] <Treenaks> pitti has been mailing a lot :)
[01:16] <ogra> yep :)
[01:16] <ogra> hi ivoks
[01:17] <ivoks> and bye :)
[01:17] <Treenaks> ogra: I could do the build-dep/recompile thing.. but I can't test all of them
[01:17] <Treenaks> btw, tseng is our Mono god, right?
[01:18] <\sh> hey ogra.
[01:19] <ogra> Treenaks, if it happens now and they compile fine, there is enough time for user tests and bugreports...
[01:19] <ogra> hi \sh
[01:19] <Treenaks> ogra: ok :)
[01:20] <ogra> :)
[01:20] <Treenaks> ogra: anyway, tseng = mono-god?
[01:21] <ogra> yep
[01:21] <ogra> absolutely
[01:21] <ogra> even novell knows that ;)
[01:21] <Treenaks> :)
[01:22] <Treenaks> you need libmono-dev to be able to run beagle (which doesn't compile on ppc/amd64..) on x86
[01:22] <pitti> ogra: it might be a _bit_ more than that
[01:22] <Treenaks> because it tries to find libMonoPosixHelper.so instead of $&.0
[01:22] <Treenaks> pitti: oh? what more could it be?
[01:22] <Treenaks> pitti: removing the "private" calls?
[01:22] <pitti> transition to libpq-dev changes the include path, so packages should generally use "pg_config --includedir"
[01:23] <pitti> Treenaks: no, they shouldn't appear in any external package (if they really do, well, that's my problem then)
[01:23] <Treenaks> pitti: ok
[01:24] <Treenaks> btw, when did mozilla-firefox become just plain firefox?
[01:24] <Treenaks> and why didn't dist-upgrade upgrade it for me?
[01:24] <Treenaks> should I make that a bug?
[01:39] <pitti> Treenaks: indeed, that sounds like a bug for thom
[01:42] <Unfrgiven> ogra: can you review my first c++ transition package? libextractor_0.4.2-2ubuntu1.debdiff
[01:43] <ogra> Unfrgiven, have you tagged it on the wiki ? and opened a bug with the patch attached ?
[01:44] <Treenaks> pitti: when are you going to upload pg8?
[01:44] <Unfrgiven> ogra: ive tagged the wiki. havent opened a bug yet. i wanted to make sure i was doing it right first.
[01:44] <Treenaks> pitti: (so I can plan my time for the transition stuff)
[01:44] <ogra> Unfrgiven, make a patch and add it to the bug...
[01:44] <tseng|work> hi ogra
[01:44] <pitti> Treenaks: next monday
[01:44] <pitti> Treenaks: would be cool to have some help there :-)
[01:44] <ogra> hey big mono master tseng|work
[01:45] <pitti> moins tseng|work
[01:45] <tseng|work> hiya pitti, everyone
[01:45] <\sh> JESUS Oliver
[01:45] <Unfrgiven> tseng|work: hey dude
[01:45] <\sh> missing conflicts
[01:45] <\sh> forgot to update the diff
[01:46] <tseng|work> ogra: marks talk wasnt streamed! at least not archived
[01:46] <Treenaks> tseng|work: it was.. only 50%
[01:46] <tseng|work> how do you mean
[01:46] <Treenaks> tseng|work: you mean the guadec talk right?
[01:46] <tseng|work> yes
[01:46] <ogra> \sh, just oliver please
[01:46] <ogra> ;)
[01:46] <Treenaks> tseng|work: there's the "partial keynote" from Mark on the archive page
[01:47] <tseng|work> the video i got was just two guys dopping around with a projector
[01:47] <tseng|work> no partial anything
[01:47] <Treenaks> hmm. suckage
[01:47] <\sh> ogra: if u need a helping hand for your bugs...:)
[01:48] <ogra> \sh, i'd be happy about every Cxx thingie i can get rid of ;)
[01:48] <tseng|work> ogra: oh beagle needs amd64 love
[01:48] <tseng|work> ogra: there are non-PIC xorg libs now
[01:49] <ogra> tseng|work, i'll look at it... (indeed)
[01:49] <\sh> ogra: btw...I fixed arkrpg :) build issues and g++ issues...this morning it came to me ;)
[01:49] <tseng|work> i imagine that will break alot
[01:49] <tseng|work> :(
[01:49] <ogra> i saw the upload
[01:49] <Treenaks> tseng|work: according to fabbione, it's the way you call gcc or something
[01:49] <tseng|work> Treenaks: as in, without -fPIC?
[01:49] <Treenaks> tseng|work: it should call "ld" or something (see log)
[01:49] <tseng|work> hm.
[01:50] <Treenaks> tseng|work: and there's a libMonoPosixHelper.so vs libMonoPosixHelper.so.0 thing..
[01:50] <tseng|work> Treenak: in what exe/dll?
[01:50] <Treenaks> tseng|work: uh.. de-install libmono-dev and run beagled
[01:51] <Treenaks> tseng|work: didn't log it
[01:51] <Treenaks> sorry
[01:51] <tseng|work> ok, thanks.
[01:51] <tseng|work> do you have a wiki account?
[01:51] <Treenaks> yes
[01:51] <tseng|work> can you put that on the todo on MOTUMono
[01:51] <Treenaks> k
[01:51] <tseng|work> thanks!
[01:51] <tseng|work> thats my tracking place for now
[01:52] <\sh> ogra:i will take a look on your bugzilla list...and take everything I can manage
[01:52] <tseng|work> i was nearly to the bottom of it too :)
[01:52] <ogra> \sh, thanks a lot, owing you a beer ;)
[01:55] <\sh> ogra: well...i owe u a beer :)
[01:56] <ogra> so we are even then.... sad.....all nice beer we cant drink now :/
[01:57] <tseng|work> Riddel is an upload monster
[01:57] <Treenaks> tseng|work: KDE.. monster..
[01:57] <Treenaks> ;)
[01:57] <\sh> ogra: what about a meeting? when u have time?
[01:58] <tseng|work> ogra: i am writing a cli packaging policy for debian
[01:58] <ogra> yay
[01:58] <tseng|work> ogra: CLIPolicy on the wiki
[01:58] <ogra> oki, i'll check it
[01:59] <tseng|work> thanks :)
[01:59] <tseng|work> the end section will change to "mono specifics"
[01:59] <ogra> \sh, my next weekends are fairly booked....
[01:59] <Treenaks> tseng|work: note added to the wiki
[02:00] <\sh> doko: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10804 i will upload for him
[02:00] <\sh> ogra: check your schedule :) and let's occupy it for better things then working;)
[02:01] <ivoks> will ubuntu follow LSB?
[02:01] <ivoks> or.. accept LSB specifictions
[02:02] <ogra> it already does (as far as they exist yet)
[02:02] <ivoks> http://refspecs.freestandards.org/LSB_3.0.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/runlevels.html
[02:03] <Treenaks> urgh.. the display manager runlevel crap
[02:03] <Treenaks> if you don't want a displaymanager, remove it!
[02:03] <ivoks> not onlt display manager
[02:03] <Treenaks> ivoks: the rest is already te same
[02:03] <Treenaks> ivoks: check /etc/inittab
[02:04] <doko> \sh, yes please do
[02:04] <ivoks> Treenaks: ok
[02:04] <\sh> ivoks: u need review and upload for your cxx bugs?
[02:04] <ivoks> \sh: upload - yes
[02:04] <\sh> ok.
[02:04] <\sh> hard night
[02:04] <ivoks> review are doing only ogra and doko, IIRC?
[02:05] <ogra> ivoks, i trust \sh's c++ knowledge even mre then my own....
[02:05] <ivoks> ok then :)
[02:05] <ivoks> \sh: shall we start? :)
[02:06] <ivoks> \sh: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11194
[02:06] <ivoks> \sh: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11083
[02:07] <ivoks> \sh: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11063
[02:07] <ivoks> three would be enough for now... :)
[02:07] <\sh> ivoks: moment...i have one xclass
[02:07] <ivoks> ?
[02:08] <ivoks> we fixed that one :)
[02:08] <ivoks> together :)
[02:09] <ogra> \sh, xclass can get uploaded after a testbuild
[02:10] <\sh> heheh :) amd64 testbuild is included in my upload ;)
[02:11] <ogra> great
[02:12] <\sh> ogra: ivoks is right...xclass was one package, i fixed with ivoks...and tested it on ravel :)
[02:12] <ivoks> lol
[02:12] <ivoks> you fixed :)
[02:13] <\sh> at least i deleted ;)
[02:13] <\sh> fixing is something else ;)
[02:14] <\sh> yeah..worked
[02:17] <\sh> ivoks: please assign all your bugs to sh@sourcecode.de zhx
[02:17] <\sh> -z+t
[02:17] <\sh> so i have them in my list
[02:18] <ivoks> ok
[02:18] <\sh> thx
[02:19] <\sh> ok...givemeonecoffeeandacigarettetime
[02:20] <ivoks> \sh: there
[02:20] <ivoks> others are builded and uploaded
[02:22] <ivoks> \sh: why did you change status on libxclass?
[02:22] <ogra> heh, i was about to aks the same
[02:22] <ivoks> :)
[02:22] <ivoks> i think like a real MOTU :)
[02:40] <ivoks> opencv is too much for me :(
[02:40] <ivoks> FTBS on amd64 and ia64
[02:47] <\sh> Accepted:
[02:47] <\sh> xclass_0.8.3-1ubuntu2.diff.gz
[02:47] <\sh>  to pool/universe/x/xclass/xclass_0.8.3-1ubuntu2.diff.gz
[02:47] <\sh> what?
[02:49] <\sh> ivoks: please have an eye on http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html
[02:50] <ivoks> ?
[02:53] <\sh> ivoks: if you package failes or succeed you will see it there :)
[02:54] <chmj> \sh, did you upload libcoin ?
[02:54] <\sh> chmj: no..i was waiting for an answer :)
[02:54] <ivoks> \sh: i know that :)
[02:55] <ivoks> \sh: opencv will fail, don't upload it
[02:55] <ivoks> \sh: others should work
[02:55] <\sh> chmj: but i can upload it if you want...
[02:55] <\sh> ivoks: i will check it on ravel
[02:56] <chmj> \sh, no, let me check
[02:58] <\sh> chmj: k
[03:00] <DanielN_> rofl
[03:00] <DanielN_> i can't report on bugzilla
[03:00] <ivoks> sure you can...
[03:00] <DanielN_> "Yo must choose a component" .. but there isn't a possibiliti in the form to select a component :/
[03:03] <ivoks> type it's name :)
[03:03] <\sh> UNKNOWN
[03:03] <ivoks> it would be too long list :)
[03:03] <\sh> is the component for universe
[03:03] <ivoks> \sh: only for transition
[03:03] <DanielN_> ok
[03:04] <ivoks> ttg
[03:04] <ivoks> bye
[03:08] <\sh> ivoks: geht doch ;)
[03:08] <\sh> xclass_0.8.3-1ubuntu2_20050531-1346-powerpc-successful.gz
[03:08] <\sh> xclass_0.8.3-1ubuntu2_20050531-1346-amd64-successful.gz
[03:08] <\sh> xclass_0.8.3-1ubuntu2_20050531-1346-ia64-successful.gz
[03:08] <\sh> xclass_0.8.3-1ubuntu2_20050531-1349-i386-successful.gz
[03:08] <\sh> ivoks for motu ;)
[03:09] <chmj> \sh, whats your version on libcoin ?
[03:09] <ogra> \sh, on his way ;)
[03:09] <DanielN_> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11372
[03:09] <DanielN_> don't know if my patch is ok, but i tried it :)
[03:10] <\sh> 2.3.0-1ubuntu1 (after trans)
[03:10] <\sh> libcoin40
[03:10] <\sh> coin2 as src package
[03:11] <chmj> bug number?
[03:14] <\sh> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11043
[03:21] <DanielN_> could someone check that speedy ? :P
[03:21] <chmj> I just did
[03:21] <chmj> posted a reply
[03:22] <DanielN_> chmj: reffering to which but, now?
[03:22] <DanielN_> bug
[03:22] <chmj> yours #11372
[03:22] <DanielN_> ok
[03:22] <DanielN_> i'm checking back :)
[03:23] <\sh> argl..ivoks
[03:24] <chmj> \sh, seems ok, go for it
[03:24] <DanielN_> chmj: what you mean exactly with "use source package name"? Replaces and Conflicts will be done just now
[03:25] <\sh> chmj: coin2? upload?
[03:29] <\sh> uploaded now :)
[03:35] <chmj> DanielN_, like this : CXX Transition: <source package name> - renaming <library> to <library>c2
[03:37] <DanielN_> chmj: done :)
[03:37] <\sh> ok..ETA to go home: -22m
[03:38] <DanielN_> :D
[03:38] <DanielN_> me 2 \sh: working until 5 sucks ;)
[03:40] <\sh> ogra: ping
[03:40] <ogra> \sh, pong
[03:41] <\sh> ogra: today is TB at 8pm UTC but I will be a little bit late...max. 30 mins or something
[03:41] <ogra> oki
[03:42] <\sh> so if ivoks is on motu way...put a ++ for me :)
[03:43] <mgalvin> hi all
[03:43] <ogra> oki
[03:59] <\sh> home now :)
[04:03] <Amaranth> damn, now i wish i was a community member :)
[04:12] <DanielN_> mhm?
[05:21] <\sh> re
[05:42] <\sh> key
[05:42] <\sh> most of ivoks stuff is uploaded
[05:42] <\sh> 1 is not working
[05:42] <\sh> one faile
[06:02] <ivoks> hi
[06:02] <\sh> ah ivoks
[06:02] <ivoks> \sh: ping
[06:02] <ivoks> :)
[06:02] <\sh> one patch is wrong
[06:02] <ivoks> let's see your observations...
[06:02] <\sh> one package was not compiling
[06:02] <\sh> openscenebla
[06:02] <ivoks> we will see :)
[06:03] <ivoks> you said strutilsxx
[06:03] <\sh> for the patch...add a new changelog entry
[06:03] <\sh> yeah
[06:03] <ivoks> there are two patches!
[06:03] <\sh> thats the patch one
[06:03] <ivoks> \sh: you have to patch it with first, then second
[06:03] <\sh> the 2nd patch which should change the libname i think...u updated the last changelog entry.and it ends up in a patch reject
[06:03] <\sh> ivoks: i did .)
[06:04] <ivoks> let me see..
[06:04] <\sh> ubuntu1 is in the tree
[06:04] <\sh> and i should say ubunut2 concerning your comments
[06:05] <ivoks> hm, strange...
[06:06] <ivoks> ok, i'll make another one...
[06:06] <\sh> ivoks: ubuntu2 must be the rev
[06:06] <ivoks> i know
[06:07] <ivoks> it seems i uploaded wrong patch :)
[06:08] <ivoks> wait...
[06:08] <ivoks> this package was fixed and uploaded by someone
[06:08] <ivoks> it doesn't need new patch
[06:09] <ivoks> or... just a sec... argh...
[06:09] <\sh> <pre id="comment_text_2">rong package name in shlibs file, please fix ASAP</pre>
[06:09] <ivoks> i know...
[06:09] <\sh> that was doko
[06:09] <ivoks>  libstrutilsxx0.7
[06:09] <\sh> and i think he uploaded the source with your first patch
[06:09] <ivoks> instead of libstrutilsxx0.7 :)
[06:09] <ivoks> c2
[06:09] <ivoks> gr...
[06:09] <ivoks> fix is on the way :)
[06:10] <ivoks> building...
[06:11] <\sh> thx
[06:13] <ivoks> fixed, uploaded patch
[06:13] <ivoks> what's wrong with openscenegraph?
[06:17] <\sh> ivoks: didn't check the buildlogs now...i only saw that it was failing
[06:17] <ivoks> i'm going crazy with stoopid gaim
[06:19] <ogra> ivoks, see jdubs talk, gaim is good for highschool girls ;) http://stream.fluendo.com/archive/6uadec/Jeff_Waugh_-_Project_Topaz.ogg
[06:19] <Nafallo> ogra: you should have seen my gf when she read that ;-)
[06:20] <ogra> hehe
[06:20] <ogra> Nafallo, you wathched the talk live ?
[06:20] <ogra> s/talk/stream
[06:20] <Nafallo> ogra: yepp. every since I knew there where streams I've followed them :-).
[06:21] <ivoks> eh..
[06:21] <ivoks> it show me two copys of same user :)
[06:21] <Nafallo> ogra: I've eaten atleast 3 bowls of popcorn a day ;-).
[06:21] <ogra> hehehe
[06:22] <ivoks> ok... how much of this stream is waiting for speech? :)
[06:23] <ogra> some minutes before it starts... its probably clever to download it and move a bit forward....
[06:23] <ivoks> it's 300MB :)
[06:23] <ivoks> pardon, 130
[06:24] <ivoks> :)
[06:24] <ogra> but you can see mvo and me running around and seb128 looking while waiting ;)
[06:24] <ivoks> yuhu! here it comes
[06:24] <ivoks> ogra: i don't know you yet :)
[06:24] <ogra> ivoks, there is one or the other picture of me on the web ;)
[06:25] <ivoks> it would be funny to see KDE on this conference :)
[06:25] <doko> ivoks: just another old hacker, nothing spectacular ... ;-)
[06:25] <ivoks> doko: :))
[06:25] <Amaranth> hi, i hate users
[06:25] <Amaranth> :/
[06:25] <ivoks> you see one, you've seen them all :)
[06:26] <ogra> doko, but with a baggy belly like yours since sydney ;)
[06:26] <ivoks> i'll have to come to one conference to meet you all guys
[06:27] <ivoks> any one willing to sponsor my trip? :)
[06:28] <ivoks> omg.. topaz 3.0
[06:28] <ivoks> :))
[06:29] <\sh> ogra is the man with long hairs ;)
[06:30] <\sh> but there r many long haired men ;)
[06:30] <ogra> hehe _the_ man ?
[06:33] <ogra> ivoks, http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiprush/13478028/
[06:33] <ivoks> ;)
[06:33] <\sh> ogra: i found a nicer one :)
[06:33] <\sh> ogra: and i will blog it :)
[06:34] <\sh> and I want to know what grass u smoked ;)
[06:34] <ogra> argh
[06:37] <\sh> haha
[06:38] <\sh> http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/26-Oh-my-god.html
[06:40] <ogra> \sh, thats harmless
[06:40] <ogra> there are worse pictures of me :)
[06:40] <\sh> ogra: but take a look ... your eyes...i mean, this only happens with too much you know what inside...or sitting 96h in front of a crt ;)
[06:41] <\sh> bbut when I found it, I was sitting in the NOC and was laughing like hell
[06:41] <ogra> you mean the beautiful rings ?
[06:41] <\sh> they're so small :)
[06:42] <ogra> hey, i'm over 30, i'm supposed to get rings around my eyes and pleats
[06:43] <ivoks> will there be screenshots? :)
[06:43] <\sh> ogra: hahaha....i don't have rings under my eyes...and u r only 1 year older then me :)
[06:44] <ogra> \sh, wait a year ;) (or ask doko)
[06:44] <ivoks> that's why i'm still 23 :)
[06:44] <chillywilly> who is who in that picture?
[06:44] <\sh> ogra: dmitry is going to be 30 in two weeks...and he's starting already to forget things...he didn'tbelieve me when I told him, that he's getting alzheimer now ;)
[06:45] <ivoks> nice ambition...
[06:45] <ivoks> 10 untill 2010
[06:45] <ogra> 10x10, yeah
[06:46] <chillywilly> nice pics
[06:46] <ivoks> impossible...
[06:46] <ogra> ivoks, only with such an attitude ....
[06:46] <ivoks> ogra: i agree
[06:46] <ivoks> but, still...
[06:46] <ivoks> this is uberambition :)
[06:47] <\sh> what is 10x10?
[06:47] <ogra> hey, we have very big backers
[06:47] <ivoks> gnome covering 10% of global desktop untill 2010
[06:47] <ogra> ivoks, nokia is using gnome in the future....
[06:47] <ivoks> ogra: i know
[06:47] <ivoks> ogra: i'm planing to buy 770
[06:47] <\sh> ivoks: ah....yeah right, 90x10 for kde
[06:48] <ogra> we have novell pushing (and paying for) ximian....
[06:48] <\sh> ogra: novell == suse == kde ;)
[06:48] <ivoks> yeah... but novell reportet losses this querter
[06:48] <ogra> brazil and spain are big gnome backing countrys....
[06:48] <ogra> \sh, wrong
[06:48] <ivoks> \sh: novell will dump KDE in suse
[06:49] <\sh> hmm..then its time that redhat buys novell
[06:49] <ogra> \sh, novell == ximian + suse + kde + a lot of political fuss
[06:49] <ogra> \sh, redhat == gnome....
[06:49] <\sh> ogra: thats why
[06:49] <Lathiat_> novell linux desktop = gnome + yast
[06:49] <ivoks> more important ubuntu == gnome
[06:49] <\sh> anyways...no trolling
[06:49] <\sh> now...i have to shower
[06:50] <\sh> but before...can I remove the candidates from tb agenda?
[06:50] <ogra> \sh, everybody should do that himself
[06:51] <ogra> after being approved
[06:51] <\sh> on maintainer candidates yes, but on the TechnicalBoardAgenda
[06:51] <ogra> hmm
[06:51] <ogra> these can go, yes
[06:52] <ogra> but only the Consider lines, i'm not sure when the rest appeared there
[06:52] <\sh> sure only the consider lines
[06:52] <\sh> the rest is new
[06:52] <\sh> shower
[06:53] <plugwash> don't most distros ship both kde and gnome?
[06:54] <ivoks> plugwash: i think all, except slackware :)
[06:54] <ogra> plugwash, not by default....
[06:54] <ogra> plugwash, most of them select one default...
[06:54] <ogra> as suse uses KDE and redhat uses gnome
[06:55] <ogra> (even if they ship and install both)
[06:55] <ivoks> well, you can't have two defaults :)
[06:55] <ogra> redhat once tried
[06:55] <ogra> (mixin gnome and kde)
[06:56] <plugwash> or there is debian which afaict ships neither gnome or kde by default
[06:56] <ogra> debian ships and installs both by default if you install the desktop task
[07:00] <ivoks> there it is... gaim for girls
[07:01] <Nafallo> ivoks: :-)
[07:02] <ivoks> but it still sucks :)
[07:08] <chillywilly> ajmitch: naughty naughty
[07:08] <chillywilly> http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiprush/13477862/
[07:40] <herve> hi
[10:00] (abelli/#ubuntu-motu) ok, ppl .. thanx a lot .. ill install gnu darwin .. not really a problem .. it's just something that works ..
[10:00] (\sh/#ubuntu-motu) abelli: what about kde?
[10:01] (\sh/#ubuntu-motu) oh meeting starts
[10:01] (abelli/#ubuntu-motu) \sh: nothing interesting .. ogra and i needed some horse power for ruby ..
[10:01] <ogra> exclude me there please :)
[10:02] <abelli> have a good meeting ppl, thanks for everything you're doing (ohh how nice is plan9 ... what an OS) ..
[10:04] <abelli> well "plan9 is different .. not the usual OSes .. language interpreters .. simply work on there" .
[10:04] <abelli> s/Ses/Se
[10:08] <abelli> a present for you: http://pastebin.com/292857
[10:09] <abelli> libfmod has problems with uhu-pkg
[10:10] <ivoks> omg
[10:10] <ivoks> :)
[10:11] <abelli> ivoks: what?
[10:11] <ajmitch> ivoks: congrats
[10:11] <abelli> ivoks: congratulations .. for everything ..
[10:11] <ivoks> thanks
[10:12] <ivoks> 7 days ago i wasn't even a member :)
[10:13] <ajmitch> bbiab
[10:18] <ivoks> diamond: congrats
[10:18] <diamond> ivoks: cheers -)
[10:18] <ivoks> yuhu!
[10:18] <dholbach> ROCK
[10:19] <ivoks> let's get drunk
[10:20] <dholbach> add yourself to wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU please :)
[10:24] <Mithrandir> tseng|work: you're wanted in -meeting
[10:29] <dholbach> ivoks, diamond: would you send a signed mail to elmo (as discussed on wiki/Uploads) and clarify with mako that he got your signed CoC?
[10:30] <ivoks> sure
[10:30] <diamond> dholbach: i'm pretty sure elmo's added my key to the keyring,
[10:30] <diamond> dholbach: at least, when dredg uploaded the packages i'd fixed,
[10:30] <dholbach> diamond: not before you became motu
[10:31] <diamond> dholbach: i stopped seeing it on #hoary-changes after a while
[10:31] <diamond> dholbach: right
[10:31] <dholbach> 1) whitelisting of mail adress
[10:31] <dholbach> 2) keyring (permission to upload)
[10:31] <diamond> ah. whitelisting. that must have been it so
[10:31] <ajmitch> diamond: you got in? well done :)
[10:31] <dholbach> after that you're completely in MOTU land
[10:31] <diamond> ajmitch: i think so. it's either that or it's all a cruel hoax. i'm gonna put my hands over my ears and go with the first option -)
[10:31] <diamond> dholbach: ok, cool.
[10:32] <elmo> dholbach: dude, please have people mail the role address and not me personally
[10:32] <elmo> the role address goes (or will go) into a RT system, my email doesn't
[10:33] <diamond> elmo: i.e. keyring@, right?
[10:33] <dholbach> elmo: i said so: "wiki/Uploads"
[10:34] <elmo> diamond: yes
[10:34] <elmo> dholbach: "< dholbach> ivoks, diamond: would you send a signed mail to elmo ("
[10:34] <ivoks> :)
[10:34] <ivoks> i'm reading wiki
[10:34] <ivoks> don't worry
[10:35] <diamond> elmo: wiki/Uploads could be slightly clearer on this, should i send a signed mail, with my gpg public key attached?
[10:35] <ivoks> yeah...
[10:35] <ivoks> i don't get it too :)
[10:35] <dholbach> elmo: excuse me for not making it more precise... i just wanted to add the fact that you could be asked for anything going wrong with it... sorry
[10:35] <diamond> or just random "Hi, new maintainer, this mail is signed with my personal gpg key"?
[10:35] <elmo> diamond: doesn't matter of the mail is signed, as long as I get the key-id from you one way or the other
[10:36] <elmo> dholbach: sorry, not having a go, it's just I've had a bunch of MOTUs mail me direct, and they all said you told them to :)
[10:36] <dholbach> HAHAHA
[10:36] <ivoks> :>
[10:36] <diamond> elmo: ok, cool. i can clarify it on wiki/Uploads if you think that's a good idea?
[10:36] <dholbach> i will completely stop NOW
[10:36] <elmo> diamond: sure
[10:36] <diamond> right. if i clarify it wrong, hit me -)
[10:36] <ajmitch> dholbach: you're just too eager :)
[10:36] <ivoks> and that's good
[10:37] <diamond> how does " * New maintainers should mail keyring@ubuntulinux.org with their gpg key id to get added" sound?
[10:37] <dholbach> just add "i, John Doe (ircnick) was made a MOTU on <date>", so $APPROPRIATE_PERSON will remember :)
[10:38] <elmo> diamon: please use ubuntu.com, but otherwise fine
[10:38] <diamond> elmo: ok, np. i'll change the existing address then too...
[10:41] <ivoks> there... signed and mailed
[10:46] <ogra> tseng|work, they just asked about mono in main... but all buerocracy is already done ;)
[10:47] <diamond> i have a wiki question, on wiki/Uploads, why do some paragraphs have bullets in front of them and others not, they've all got ' * ' before them in the edit source...
[10:48] <diamond> can't figure out why the line i added clarifying the new maintainer keyring stuff is bulleted, it probably shouldn't be
[10:48] <dholbach> that's a wiki error
[10:48] <dholbach> don't mind
[10:49] <\sh> i need a faster machine I think
[10:49] <diamond> dholbach: ah, ok. i'll stop stressing then -)
[10:49] <dholbach> you don't
[10:49] <dholbach> :)
[10:50] <dholbach> the wiki does
[10:50] <dholbach> i can tell ;-)
[10:55] <diamond> signed and mailed too. i hope ,-) first time using mutt for gpg on that box
[10:57] <diamond> hmm. should i be adding myself to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuMembers as well?
[10:57] <diamond> it seems a bit neglected
[11:02] <ivoks> strange...
[11:07] <\sh> guys... i will ask the question here then :) are we able to get at least shell access on amd64,ppc,ia64 to compile and test packages before sending them to the buildd somewhere? (i want to exclude private or personal hardware, I'm thinking more of farms like sf.net)
[11:08] <ivoks> damn... problems :(
[11:08] <ivoks> my wifi-radar will get replaced :(
[11:14] <Mithrandir> \sh: for amd64, ravel.
[11:15] <\sh> Mithrandir: yeah :) but this is normally your personal (maswans) playground..(private?)
[11:16] <Mithrandir> \sh: it's not a private box, it's run by the high performance computing center, north, in Sweden.
[11:16] <\sh> Mithrandir: is it sponsored for those works? :)
[11:17] <Mithrandir> yes, it's a box given from AMD sweden for Debian porting work.
[11:17] <Mithrandir> iirc
[11:18] <\sh> Mithrandir: nice...do u think more companies like amd would sponsor diff. arch hardware for those projects? it would be nice to see a chroot or at least a compile stage directly on ppc or ia64 (just like i see it now on ravel for amd64)
[11:19] <Mithrandir> \sh: canonical obviously has a bunch of hardware; I can ask if there's any way we can provide some sort of compile farms for people.
[11:20] <dholbach> good night
[11:20] <\sh> Mithrandir: this would be more then kewl...
[11:20] <\sh> gnight daniel
[11:20] <dholbach> bye st. hermann ;-)
[11:21] <\sh> saint ... the time must be there for this ;)
[11:21] <dholbach> :)
[11:29] <\sh> ajmitch: ping :)
[11:33] <ajmitch> \sh: yep, boss is around, I'm at work :)
[11:35] <\sh> ajmitch: so what do u think...via debian or should debian sync from ubuntu? ;)
[11:36] <plugwash> surely the best way would be for the same maintainer to be involved with a package on both sides
[11:36] <ajmitch> ideally, yes
[11:37] <\sh> plugwash: this would be me
[11:37] <ajmitch> so, get it into debian :)
[11:37] <\sh> but i'm against putting everything into one package :)
[11:39] <tseng> hi
[11:44] <ajmitch> hello tseng
[11:58] <\sh> ok....stopping for toda...cu tomorrow morning :)
[11:58] <\sh> gnight
[11:59] <dholbach> bye \sh