| allee | uniq: Sorry stupid question? Why all this moving and copying? Why no change /etc/pbuilderrc-<dist> accordingly? | 12:04 |
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| uniq | well.. the moving of the pbuilderrc files are just needed the first time. when you're making the base.tgz files. | 12:06 |
| uniq | it's just that i'm to lazy to remove the lines from the script. | 12:06 |
| uniq | and every now and then i make new base.tgz. | 12:07 |
| allee | uniq: hmm, you can name the base.tgz file base-<dist> in the pbuilderrc-<dist> | 12:07 |
| allee | base-<dist>.tgz that is | 12:07 |
| uniq | oh.. didn't know. :) | 12:07 |
| uniq | made my own solution for a existing feature.. great :) | 12:07 |
| uniq | thanks for the tip. | 12:08 |
| uniq | then i'll have to use pbuilder --distribution and so on right? | 12:08 |
| allee | uniq: no just alias pb-<dist>=pbuilder --configfile /etc/pbuilderrc-<dist> | 12:09 |
| uniq | nice.. thanks. | 12:09 |
| allee | uniq: rest can be done in the rc file | 12:09 |
| allee | uniq: don't forget to locally install apt-cacher or apt-proxy. Saves some bandwidth ;) | 12:11 |
| uniq | my pbuilder caches it's downloads automatically.. | 12:11 |
| uniq | /var/cache/pbuilder/aptcache | 12:12 |
| allee | and when you update dist and or dbootstrap env they are downloaded again | 12:13 |
| uniq | sure. | 12:13 |
| uniq | i have a transparent proxy in my network.. helps alot. | 12:14 |
| allee | ;) | 12:14 |
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| uniq | gnite. | 12:31 |
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| hunger | Wow somebody was busy tonight! All new kde debs! | 09:25 |
| hunger | And kopete really crashes way more rarely than with kde 3.4, too. | 09:28 |
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| JRe | who's packaging krusader? | 12:48 |
| Riddell | krusader (1.60.0) | 12:49 |
| Riddell | FrodeDoeving | 12:49 |
| Riddell | here | 12:49 |
| Riddell | DanielHolbach | 12:49 |
| Riddell | already have it | 12:49 |
| Riddell | http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/MOTUNewPackages | 12:49 |
| Riddell | I think it appeared in breezy | 12:49 |
| JRe | Riddell: okay thanks ;) BTW i have finished the first version of the device plugged notifier | 12:50 |
| Riddell | JRe: code available somewhere? | 12:51 |
| JRe | Riddell: i upload code + kubuntu package on my homepage and give you the link | 12:51 |
| JRe | Riddell: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/kubuntu/kay | 12:54 |
| JRe | Riddell: you call it with: | 12:54 |
| JRe | dcop kded kayd notifyPlugged mountpoint device devicename | 12:54 |
| JRe | I have still to kill some bugs but the hardest is done | 12:55 |
| JRe | Riddell: how BTW don't forget to start the service with kcontrol: it's call kayd | 12:56 |
| JRe | okay bbl i gonna eat | 12:59 |
| Riddell | amu et al: what's the status of amarok and k3b packages? I've lost track of who has been working on them | 01:42 |
| JRe | dunnow | 02:21 |
| hunger | Does printing still work in KDE for you? | 02:25 |
| Riddell | ah, printing, one of those import areas that's difficult to test because geeks don't print | 02:29 |
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| Riddell | looky what I just had arrived http://jriddell.org/photos/2005-06-01-kubuntu-cds.jpg | 02:32 |
| hunger | Riddell: Right;-) | 02:36 |
| KabelKasper | WOW, what are they for? Where to get them? | 02:37 |
| JRe | there is kubuntu cd ;) ? | 02:41 |
| JRe | kool kover ;) | 02:41 |
| Riddell | only 2000 of them compated to > 1.5 million ubuntu CDs, but plenty enough for me | 03:15 |
| JRe | :) | 03:45 |
| je4d | Riddell: any idea who's responsible for the kubuntu 3.4.1 packages? | 03:58 |
| Riddell | je4d: uh oh, what's wrong with them? | 03:59 |
| je4d | Riddell: conflicting file in kdm/kdebase-bin, kdesdk wants to remove kdevelop, and kopete depends on xmms | 04:00 |
| JRe | yeah kopete depends on xmms | 04:00 |
| je4d | didn't in the original hoary packages.. | 04:01 |
| JRe | no apparently was a bad joke from the maintainer on breezy packages | 04:01 |
| je4d | JRe: er.. did you mean the 3.4.1 packages do, or that kopete itself does? | 04:01 |
| Riddell | ok, I'll look into those | 04:02 |
| je4d | Riddell: cheers | 04:02 |
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| JRe | allee: thanks :) | 04:03 |
| je4d | Riddell: i just noticed http://jriddell.org/photos/2005-06-01-kubuntu-cds.jpg.. extreme coolness ;) | 04:04 |
| allee | JRe: I'll try. more tonight ;) | 04:04 |
| JRe | allee: the only thing that doesnot work is that the config saved by the kcmodule is not load by the kded module because i forgot to fix it but it will soon work :) | 04:05 |
| JRe | je4d: yeah cd kover looks really cool | 04:05 |
| allee | JRe: do you happen to know if there are also events available for network if up/down? would be extremly cool to use in knemo | 04:05 |
| je4d | JRe: agreed (: | 04:06 |
| JRe | allee: what do you mean? | 04:07 |
| allee | Where/how executes the "dcop kded kayd notifyPlugged mountpoint device devicename"? If at the same place are events for if up/down I could implemtent similar dcop interf in knemo | 04:08 |
| allee | JRe: waiting for events instead of executing ifconfig/iwconfig every second is much nicer | 04:09 |
| JRe | allee: nop there is not for network i use currently usbmount but will swtich to ivman (to have also cd!) | 04:10 |
| JRe | allee: yeah it's better to wait event! | 04:11 |
| hunger | allee: You could use ifplugd to bring up networks automatically | 04:11 |
| JRe | hunger: there is a hook in ifplugd ? | 04:11 |
| hunger | allee: That will call ifup/ifdown... which in turn will run everything defined in /etc/network/ | 04:12 |
| allee | JRe: he he ifplugd is the very first thing I add to kubuntu (no idea why they miss it) | 04:12 |
| hunger | JRe: No... but you can have ifup/ifdown run arbitrary scripts before/after bringing a interface up/down. | 04:12 |
| JRe | yeah putting some scripts in if-up.d | 04:13 |
| hunger | JRe: That is the best thing to do: It will work when manually changing if state or if hotplug overrides ifplugd, etc. | 04:14 |
| allee | hunger: ah, right. So /etc/network/if*.d scripts are the right thing to do. this works even without ifplugd | 04:14 |
| JRe | allee: yeah add a script which call dcop --all-servers | 04:14 |
| hunger | allee: Exactly. | 04:14 |
| JRe | allee: because if-up.d are executed ad root i guess | 04:15 |
| JRe | allee: i could also add a networkPlugged event in kayd to propose lauching browser or mail client ;) | 04:16 |
| JRe | allee: in fact it's dcop --all-users | 04:19 |
| allee | JRe: one additional peace is missing. What's the currently active desktop (user looks at :0 or :1 or ..) Mhmm I'd a quick script that scan xserver logs to find out. Is there a simpler way, kde or X11 method? | 04:21 |
| allee | E.g. promping for a pin on :0 while one works on :1 or both is pretty useless ;) | 04:22 |
| allee | prompting on all is at least not elegant either | 04:22 |
| JRe | allee: right | 04:24 |
| JRe | allee: if you find something tell me i'm very interrested ;) | 04:24 |
| JRe | allee: but you're the one who code KNemo ? | 04:27 |
| allee | JRe: No. But there no reason why a good patch should be rejected :) | 04:28 |
| JRe | allee: sure, moreover a so usefull patch :) | 04:29 |
| allee | JRe: Percy, suspended knemo programming. knetworkconf upstream and me still some interest in further development. | 04:30 |
| allee | I guess that we (or Percy) soon ask for svn extragear inclusion | 04:30 |
| JRe | allee: i am interrested too, this program rocks. | 04:31 |
| JRe | allee: if you need some help i am here | 04:32 |
| allee | JRe: great! I've have to contact Percy before (a sponsor) uploads knemo to debian. I'll ask him if his plans have changed. | 04:34 |
| allee | .. or we can go straight ahead | 04:34 |
| JRe | ow no knemo project page | 04:38 |
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| elmo | dato: ? | 06:36 |
| uniq | cool, didn't check debian/control for kdelibs before building.. and got kdelibs4c2 on hoary.. :| | 06:41 |
| uniq | really fun. | 06:42 |
| Riddell | uniq: I've updates the sources on kubuntu.org to not have the breezy source package, sorry about that | 06:43 |
| uniq | ahh.. ok.. then maybe i'll just download the new ones :) | 06:43 |
| uniq | riddell: had any time to look at my konveration package? | 06:44 |
| Riddell | uniq: nope, where is it? | 06:45 |
| uniq | http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/breezy/konversation/ | 06:45 |
| uniq | maybe amu looked at them yesterday.. not sure. | 06:45 |
| Riddell | uniq: is it based on the latest debian one? | 06:46 |
| uniq | yes. | 06:46 |
| Riddell | cool | 06:46 |
| uniq | minor changes from debian. | 06:46 |
| uniq | it'll only work on breezy though.. | 06:47 |
| Riddell | uniq: what are you compiling kdelibs for? | 06:47 |
| uniq | ppc | 06:47 |
| Riddell | excellent | 06:47 |
| uniq | coordinated with amu yesterday. | 06:47 |
| Riddell | anyone doing amd64? | 06:49 |
| uniq | i think amu is. | 06:49 |
| uniq | i don't have amd64 anymore. | 06:49 |
| uniq | only i386 and ppc. | 06:49 |
| KaiL | wow, tons of new packages | 06:51 |
| KaiL | but still no amarok :( | 06:52 |
| Riddell | maybe I should bump the version number every day, seems to please people :) | 06:54 |
| uniq | sure does :) | 06:54 |
| Riddell | uniq: what's the changed from debian with konversation? | 07:01 |
| uniq | nothing but the changelog i think. | 07:02 |
| uniq | no. it's the debian version with ubuntu1 added.. and breezy. | 07:03 |
| Riddell | did you merge the old changelog? | 07:04 |
| uniq | not from ubuntu.. those changes are not in the package anyway? | 07:04 |
| uniq | should I add both the changelog from debian and ubuntu? | 07:05 |
| Riddell | uniq: they need to be merged in some sensible order to include the ubuntu changes and the debian ones, I'll do that | 07:06 |
| uniq | ok.. didn't know. | 07:06 |
| uniq | couldn't we just provide the debian changelog inside the package or something? is that evil? | 07:08 |
| uniq | i can imagine merging of changelogs can get messy in the long run. | 07:09 |
| Riddell | well they'll all part of the same changelog | 07:09 |
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| _jr | d00ds, uniq rocks | 07:12 |
| uniq | heh.. it works too? :) | 07:16 |
| uniq | not bad. | 07:17 |
| Riddell | uniq: happy for me to upload? | 07:19 |
| uniq | i'll tripplecheck my diff just in case :) | 07:19 |
| uniq | a moment please. | 07:19 |
| Riddell | ok | 07:19 |
| uniq | i'm happy for now.. i'll do some cleanups later. | 07:25 |
| uniq | the diff is a bit big. | 07:25 |
| uniq | riddell: hoary needs automake-1.7 for arts to compile.. on my system. | 07:26 |
| dato | elmo: yes? | 07:40 |
| uniq | bbl.. work things. | 07:42 |
| Riddell | uniq, KaiL, hunger: if you guys want a CD or two please e-mail me your postal address | 08:15 |
| uniq | kubuntu cd? | 08:16 |
| je4d | Riddell: any chance of me getting my hands on some? (: | 08:17 |
| Riddell | yes | 08:17 |
| uniq | cool :) | 08:17 |
| hunger | Riddell: No need, but thanks for the offer. | 08:17 |
| Riddell | je4d: I can send you one, would you have a purpose in mind for the others? | 08:17 |
| hunger | Riddell: The CD will be outdated by the time it gets here anyway. | 08:17 |
| Riddell | hunger: no more so than the ubuntu CDs that are yet to arrive for most people :) | 08:18 |
| je4d | Riddell: procuring new users would be the purpouse.. | 08:18 |
| hunger | Riddell: Yeap... never got one of those either:-) | 08:18 |
| Riddell | je4d: sounds good, how would you go about it? | 08:18 |
| je4d | Riddell: are they hoary CDs? | 08:18 |
| Riddell | je4d: Kubuntu Hoary | 08:18 |
| je4d | Riddell: how would i go about it? no specific plan, but appropriate opportunities are not rare | 08:20 |
| je4d | Riddell: will they be available ala shipit.ubuntulinux.org sometime in the future? | 08:21 |
| Riddell | je4d: they won't | 08:21 |
| uniq | riddell: who's paying the cds? | 08:21 |
| Riddell | je4d: I need some rough idea of what these opportunities are, these CDs are valuable you know | 08:22 |
| Riddell | uniq: canonical paid for the CDs, I seem to be paying for postage | 08:22 |
| je4d | Riddell: ah, if they're limited & valuable then nevermind.. | 08:22 |
| Riddell | je4d: there's an ubuntu-uk list just incase you're looking for more mailing lists to be on | 08:23 |
| uniq | ok. we should put up a paypal site.. donations for cds or something.. could work :) | 08:23 |
| je4d | Riddell: like i'm not on enough already.. (: | 08:23 |
| Riddell | je4d: if you give me something specific like "handing out around the computer lab in cambridge" or a LUG you're going to I'm happy to send a bunch | 08:23 |
| je4d | Riddell: if there won't be any shipit scheme, why the CDs at all? | 08:24 |
| Riddell | je4d: for giving out to people we like and at events (lugradio, akademy, linuxtag...) | 08:24 |
| je4d | fair enuf.. I'll let you know if i'll be at any such events | 08:25 |
| je4d | http://tinyurl.com/cumh7 comes to mind | 08:25 |
| Riddell | je4d: you going to that? | 08:26 |
| je4d | maybe, dunno yet | 08:26 |
| je4d | too far away | 08:26 |
| je4d | (timewise) | 08:26 |
| Riddell | well I'll definatly send you a box or two if you are | 08:27 |
| je4d | cool.. in the meantime, could i just get one, because they're cool? :p | 08:27 |
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| KabelKasper | Will breezy include the new Kexi 0.9? http://www.kexi-project.org | 08:28 |
| Riddell | KabelKasper: should do yes | 08:29 |
| Riddell | je4d: e-mail me your postal address | 08:29 |
| Riddell | anyone else on the channel who wants one can do the same | 08:29 |
| je4d | Riddell: will a pm suffice? | 08:29 |
| Riddell | je4d: spose so | 08:30 |
| KabelKasper | Riddell: Are there any packages for hoary already somewhere? | 08:30 |
| Riddell | KabelKasper: I'm afraid not | 08:30 |
| uniq | kabelkasper: would be great if you added it to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuSuggestedPackages | 08:32 |
| KabelKasper | uniq: I'll do it | 08:33 |
| uniq | great :) | 08:33 |
| Riddell | KabelKasper: add kexi mdb driver while you're at it | 08:34 |
| uniq | bbl. socializing. | 08:37 |
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