[12:04] <allee> uniq: Sorry stupid question?  Why all this moving and copying?  Why no change /etc/pbuilderrc-<dist> accordingly?
[12:06] <uniq> well.. the moving of the pbuilderrc files are just needed the first time. when you're making the base.tgz files.
[12:06] <uniq> it's just that i'm to lazy to remove the lines from the script.
[12:07] <uniq> and every now and then i make new base.tgz.
[12:07] <allee> uniq: hmm, you can name the base.tgz file  base-<dist> in the pbuilderrc-<dist>
[12:07] <allee> base-<dist>.tgz that is
[12:07] <uniq> oh.. didn't know. :)
[12:07] <uniq> made my own solution for a existing feature.. great :)
[12:08] <uniq> thanks for the tip.
[12:08] <uniq> then i'll have to use pbuilder --distribution and so on right? 
[12:09] <allee> uniq: no just alias pb-<dist>=pbuilder --configfile /etc/pbuilderrc-<dist>
[12:09] <uniq> nice.. thanks.
[12:09] <allee> uniq: rest can be done in the rc file
[12:11] <allee> uniq: don't forget to locally install apt-cacher or apt-proxy.  Saves some bandwidth ;)
[12:11] <uniq> my pbuilder caches it's downloads automatically.. 
[12:12] <uniq>  /var/cache/pbuilder/aptcache
[12:13] <allee> and when you update dist and or dbootstrap env they are downloaded again
[12:13] <uniq> sure.
[12:14] <uniq> i have a transparent proxy in my network.. helps alot.
[12:14] <allee> ;)
[12:31] <uniq> gnite.
[09:25] <hunger> Wow somebody was busy tonight! All new kde debs!
[09:28] <hunger> And kopete really crashes way more rarely than with kde 3.4, too.
[12:48] <JRe> who's packaging krusader?
[12:49] <Riddell> krusader (1.60.0) 
[12:49] <Riddell>   FrodeDoeving 
[12:49] <Riddell>    here 
[12:49] <Riddell>   DanielHolbach 
[12:49] <Riddell>    already have it
[12:49] <Riddell> http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/MOTUNewPackages
[12:49] <Riddell> I think it appeared in breezy
[12:50] <JRe> Riddell: okay thanks ;) BTW i have finished the first version of the device plugged notifier
[12:51] <Riddell> JRe: code available somewhere?
[12:51] <JRe> Riddell: i upload code + kubuntu package on my homepage and give you the link
[12:54] <JRe> Riddell: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/kubuntu/kay 
[12:54] <JRe> Riddell: you call it with:
[12:54] <JRe> dcop kded kayd notifyPlugged mountpoint device devicename
[12:55] <JRe> I have still to kill some bugs but the hardest is done
[12:56] <JRe> Riddell: how BTW don't forget to start the service with kcontrol: it's call kayd
[12:59] <JRe> okay bbl i gonna eat
[01:42] <Riddell> amu et al: what's the status of amarok and k3b packages?  I've lost track of who has been working on them
[02:21] <JRe> dunnow
[02:25] <hunger> Does printing still work in KDE for you?
[02:29] <Riddell> ah, printing, one of those import areas that's difficult to test because geeks don't print
[02:32] <Riddell> looky what I just had arrived http://jriddell.org/photos/2005-06-01-kubuntu-cds.jpg
[02:36] <hunger> Riddell: Right;-)
[02:37] <KabelKasper> WOW, what are they for? Where to get them?
[02:41] <JRe> there is kubuntu cd ;) ?
[02:41] <JRe> kool kover ;)
[03:15] <Riddell> only 2000 of them compated to > 1.5 million ubuntu CDs, but plenty enough for me
[03:45] <JRe> :)
[03:58] <je4d> Riddell: any idea who's responsible for the kubuntu 3.4.1 packages?
[03:59] <Riddell> je4d: uh oh, what's wrong with them?
[04:00] <je4d> Riddell: conflicting file in kdm/kdebase-bin, kdesdk wants to remove kdevelop, and kopete depends on xmms
[04:00] <JRe> yeah kopete depends on xmms
[04:01] <je4d> didn't in the original hoary packages..
[04:01] <JRe> no apparently was a bad joke from the maintainer on breezy packages
[04:01] <je4d> JRe: er.. did you mean the 3.4.1 packages do, or that kopete itself does?
[04:02] <Riddell> ok, I'll look into those
[04:02] <je4d> Riddell: cheers
[04:03] <JRe> allee: thanks :)
[04:04] <je4d> Riddell: i just noticed http://jriddell.org/photos/2005-06-01-kubuntu-cds.jpg.. extreme coolness ;)
[04:04] <allee> JRe: I'll try.  more tonight ;)
[04:05] <JRe> allee: the only thing that doesnot work is that the config saved by the kcmodule is not load by the kded module because i forgot to fix it but it will soon work :)
[04:05] <JRe> je4d: yeah cd kover looks really cool
[04:05] <allee> JRe: do you happen to know if there are also events available for network if up/down?  would be extremly cool to use in knemo
[04:06] <je4d> JRe: agreed (:
[04:07] <JRe> allee: what do you mean?
[04:08] <allee> Where/how executes the "dcop kded kayd notifyPlugged mountpoint device devicename"?  If at the same place are events for if up/down I could implemtent similar dcop interf in knemo
[04:09] <allee> JRe: waiting for events instead of executing ifconfig/iwconfig every second is much nicer
[04:10] <JRe> allee: nop there is not for network i use currently usbmount but will swtich to ivman (to have also cd!)
[04:11] <JRe> allee: yeah it's better to wait event!
[04:11] <hunger> allee: You could use ifplugd to bring up networks automatically
[04:11] <JRe> hunger: there is a hook in ifplugd ?
[04:12] <hunger> allee: That will call ifup/ifdown... which in turn will run everything defined in /etc/network/
[04:12] <allee> JRe: he he ifplugd is the very first thing I add to kubuntu (no idea why they miss it)
[04:12] <hunger> JRe: No... but you can have ifup/ifdown run arbitrary scripts before/after bringing a interface up/down.
[04:13] <JRe> yeah putting some scripts in if-up.d
[04:14] <hunger> JRe: That is the best thing to do: It will work when manually changing if state or if hotplug overrides ifplugd, etc.
[04:14] <allee> hunger: ah, right.   So /etc/network/if*.d scripts are the right thing to do.   this works even without ifplugd
[04:14] <JRe> allee: yeah add a script which call dcop --all-servers
[04:14] <hunger> allee: Exactly.
[04:15] <JRe> allee: because if-up.d are executed ad root i guess
[04:16] <JRe> allee: i could also add a networkPlugged event in kayd to propose lauching browser or mail client ;)
[04:19] <JRe> allee: in fact it's dcop --all-users
[04:21] <allee> JRe: one additional peace is missing.  What's the currently active desktop  (user looks at :0 or :1 or ..)   Mhmm I'd a  quick script that scan xserver logs to find out.  Is there a simpler way,  kde or X11 method?
[04:22] <allee> E.g. promping for a pin on :0 while one works on :1 or both is pretty useless ;)
[04:22] <allee> prompting on all is at least not elegant either
[04:24] <JRe> allee: right
[04:24] <JRe> allee: if you find something tell me i'm very interrested ;)
[04:27] <JRe> allee: but you're the one who code KNemo ?
[04:28] <allee> JRe: No.  But there no reason why a good  patch should be rejected :)
[04:29] <JRe> allee: sure, moreover a so usefull patch :)
[04:30] <allee> JRe: Percy, suspended knemo programming.  knetworkconf upstream and me still some interest in further development.
[04:30] <allee> I guess that we (or Percy) soon ask for svn extragear inclusion
[04:31] <JRe> allee: i am interrested too, this program rocks.
[04:32] <JRe> allee: if you need some help i am here
[04:34] <allee> JRe: great!  I've have to contact Percy before (a sponsor) uploads knemo to debian.   I'll ask him if his plans have changed.
[04:34] <allee> .. or we can go straight ahead
[04:38] <JRe> ow no knemo project page
[06:36] <elmo> dato: ?
[06:41] <uniq> cool, didn't check debian/control for kdelibs before building.. and got kdelibs4c2 on hoary.. :|
[06:42] <uniq> really fun.
[06:43] <Riddell> uniq: I've updates the sources on kubuntu.org to not have the breezy source package, sorry about that
[06:43] <uniq> ahh.. ok.. then maybe i'll just download the new ones :)
[06:44] <uniq> riddell: had any time to look at my konveration package? 
[06:45] <Riddell> uniq: nope, where is it?
[06:45] <uniq> http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/breezy/konversation/
[06:45] <uniq> maybe amu looked at them yesterday.. not sure.
[06:46] <Riddell> uniq: is it based on the latest debian one?
[06:46] <uniq> yes.
[06:46] <Riddell> cool
[06:46] <uniq> minor changes from debian.
[06:47] <uniq> it'll only work on breezy though..
[06:47] <Riddell> uniq: what are you compiling kdelibs for?
[06:47] <uniq> ppc
[06:47] <Riddell> excellent
[06:47] <uniq> coordinated with amu yesterday.
[06:49] <Riddell> anyone doing amd64?
[06:49] <uniq> i think amu is.
[06:49] <uniq> i don't have amd64 anymore.
[06:49] <uniq> only i386 and ppc.
[06:51] <KaiL> wow, tons of new packages
[06:52] <KaiL> but still no amarok :(
[06:54] <Riddell> maybe I should bump the version number every day, seems to please people :)
[06:54] <uniq> sure does :)
[07:01] <Riddell> uniq: what's the changed from debian with konversation?
[07:02] <uniq> nothing but the changelog i think.
[07:03] <uniq> no. it's the debian version with ubuntu1 added.. and breezy.
[07:04] <Riddell> did you merge the old changelog?
[07:04] <uniq> not from ubuntu.. those changes are not in the package anyway?
[07:05] <uniq> should I add both the changelog from debian and ubuntu? 
[07:06] <Riddell> uniq: they need to be merged in some sensible order to include the ubuntu changes and the debian ones, I'll do that
[07:06] <uniq> ok.. didn't know.
[07:08] <uniq> couldn't we just provide the debian changelog inside the package or something? is that evil? 
[07:09] <uniq> i can imagine merging of changelogs can get messy in the long run.
[07:09] <Riddell> well they'll all part of the same changelog
[07:12] <_jr> d00ds, uniq rocks
[07:16] <uniq> heh.. it works too? :)
[07:17] <uniq> not bad.
[07:19] <Riddell> uniq: happy for me to upload?
[07:19] <uniq> i'll tripplecheck my diff just in case :)
[07:19] <uniq> a moment please.
[07:19] <Riddell> ok
[07:25] <uniq> i'm happy for now.. i'll do some cleanups later.
[07:25] <uniq> the diff is a bit big.
[07:26] <uniq> riddell: hoary needs automake-1.7 for arts to compile.. on my system.
[07:40] <dato> elmo: yes?
[07:42] <uniq> bbl.. work things.
[08:15] <Riddell> uniq, KaiL, hunger: if you guys want a CD or two please e-mail me your postal address
[08:16] <uniq> kubuntu cd?
[08:17] <je4d> Riddell: any chance of me getting my hands on some? (:
[08:17] <Riddell> yes
[08:17] <uniq> cool :)
[08:17] <hunger> Riddell: No need, but thanks for the offer.
[08:17] <Riddell> je4d: I can send you one, would you have a purpose in mind for the others?
[08:17] <hunger> Riddell: The CD will be outdated by the time it gets here anyway.
[08:18] <Riddell> hunger: no more so than the ubuntu CDs that are yet to arrive for most people :)
[08:18] <je4d> Riddell: procuring new users would be the purpouse.. 
[08:18] <hunger> Riddell: Yeap... never got one of those either:-)
[08:18] <Riddell> je4d: sounds good, how would you go about it?
[08:18] <je4d> Riddell: are they hoary CDs?
[08:18] <Riddell> je4d: Kubuntu Hoary
[08:20] <je4d> Riddell: how would i go about it? no specific plan, but appropriate opportunities are not rare
[08:21] <je4d> Riddell: will they be available ala shipit.ubuntulinux.org sometime in the future?
[08:21] <Riddell> je4d: they won't
[08:21] <uniq> riddell: who's paying the cds? 
[08:22] <Riddell> je4d: I need some rough idea of what these opportunities are, these CDs are valuable you know
[08:22] <Riddell> uniq: canonical paid for the CDs, I seem to be paying for postage
[08:22] <je4d> Riddell: ah, if they're limited & valuable then nevermind..
[08:23] <Riddell> je4d: there's an ubuntu-uk list just incase you're looking for more mailing lists to be on
[08:23] <uniq> ok. we should put up a paypal site.. donations for cds or something.. could work :)
[08:23] <je4d> Riddell: like i'm not on enough already.. (:
[08:23] <Riddell> je4d: if you give me something specific like "handing out around the computer lab in cambridge" or a LUG you're going to I'm happy to send a bunch
[08:24] <je4d> Riddell: if there won't be any shipit scheme, why the CDs at all?
[08:24] <Riddell> je4d: for giving out to people we like and at events (lugradio, akademy, linuxtag...)
[08:25] <je4d> fair enuf.. I'll let you know if i'll be at any such events
[08:25] <je4d> http://tinyurl.com/cumh7 comes to mind
[08:26] <Riddell> je4d: you going to that?
[08:26] <je4d> maybe, dunno yet
[08:26] <je4d> too far away
[08:26] <je4d> (timewise)
[08:27] <Riddell> well I'll definatly send you a box or two if you are
[08:27] <je4d> cool.. in the meantime, could i just get one, because they're cool? :p
[08:28] <KabelKasper> Will breezy include the new Kexi 0.9? http://www.kexi-project.org
[08:29] <Riddell> KabelKasper: should do yes
[08:29] <Riddell> je4d: e-mail me your postal address
[08:29] <Riddell> anyone else on the channel who wants one can do the same
[08:29] <je4d> Riddell: will a pm suffice?
[08:30] <Riddell> je4d: spose so
[08:30] <KabelKasper> Riddell: Are there any packages for hoary already somewhere? 
[08:30] <Riddell> KabelKasper: I'm afraid not
[08:32] <uniq> kabelkasper: would be great if you added it to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuSuggestedPackages
[08:33] <KabelKasper> uniq: I'll do it
[08:33] <uniq> great :)
[08:34] <Riddell> KabelKasper: add kexi mdb driver while you're at it
[08:37] <uniq> bbl. socializing.