[12:01] <mrmanic> _tomas_: what is the error?
[12:02] <amu> if ztonzy comes back his new blender.deb is ready for testing 
[12:02] <_tomas_> Error al intentar abrir el archivo
[12:03] <Curalton> _tomas_: #kubuntu.es or so?
[12:03] <Curalton> or... maybe apt-get install unrar
[12:03] <xxenon> alt-tab not working in breezy...known problem ?
[12:04] <Curalton> breezy is debian/sid extreme edition atm :)
[12:04] <_tomas_> XDD i'm alone in kubuntu.es
[12:04] <mrmanic> _tomas_: es un archivo rar?
[12:05] <_tomas_> sip, un rar
[12:05] <_tomas_> he provado con tres
[12:05] <_tomas_> y todos el mismo error
[12:05] <_tomas_> ya he hecho el apt-get install unrar
[12:05] <_tomas_> y sin problema
[12:05] <_tomas_> per no descomprime
[12:06] <dabugas> has anyone installed kde from a kubuntu cd on top of ubuntu?
[12:06] <amu> yep
[12:07] <dabugas> i have a problem with the gnupg authorization
[12:07] <dabugas> E: Sub-process gpgv returned an error code (2)
[12:07] <dabugas> W: Signature verification failed for: /media/cdrom0/dists/hoary/Release.gpg
[12:07] <mrmanic> _tomas_: el rar es completa?
[12:07] <dabugas> (sorry for the minor flood)
[12:07] <amu> pls english or i start with german :) 
[12:08] <mrmanic> fine with me.  my spanish is terrible anyway
[12:08] <dabugas> amu: help, pleeease :)
[12:08] <mrmanic> _tomas_: your rar file may be corrupt
[12:09] <amu> dabugas: you use hoary? 
[12:09] <nmorse> While we're speaking in foreign languages, avez-vous compris?
[12:09] <dabugas> well, warty somehwat upgraded to hoary
[12:09] <dabugas> i've updated the apt-get, dpkg, etc & from what i understand the authorization procedures have changed
[12:09] <amu> dabugas: and it's a full upgraded hoary? 
[12:09] <dabugas> nope
[12:09] <dabugas> partly
[12:10] <dabugas> just the programs i use regularly & their dependencies
[12:10] <amu> dabugas: that's it, apt 0.6 has such features and it sounds for me that you mixed the things
[12:10] <dabugas> apparently this guy ( http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/MD5SUMS.gpg ) has the same problem as me. he solved it but doesn't sufficiently explain
[12:10] <dabugas> any ideas for a solution?
[12:10] <amu> which apt version you running? 
[12:10] <dabugas> apt 0.6.35 
[12:11] <dabugas> i got the url wrong before: it's THIS guy --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26529
[12:11] <amu> can you run once: apt-get -o Debug::pkgAcquire::Auth=yes update
[12:12] <amu> forums :) who cares about forums :)
[12:12] <dabugas> yeah
[12:12] <dabugas> seems to run ok
[12:12] <amu> you CD is in ? jusr run next test with apt-get -o Debug::pkgAcquire::Auth=yes upgrade
[12:13] <amu> s/jusr/just
[12:13] <dabugas> it's doing a lot of stuff
[12:14] <amu> sounds good 
[12:14] <dabugas> if this works i'll kiss you
[12:14] <dabugas> in a manly way, of course
[12:15] <amu> you run a proxy ? 
[12:15] <amu> hehe
[12:16] <dabugas> heh. no.
[12:16] <dabugas> ok, the apt-get command ended with me needing to download 348MB which i can't on 33.6 modem
[12:16] <dabugas> i closed that and ran synaptic to add the cdrom (too bored to use apt-cdrom)
[12:16] <amu> than insert you cd, run a apt-cdrom add and rerun the commands 
[12:17] <amu> loks like while upgrading from warty ( there was no auth this time ) your upgrade fails in some cases
[12:17] <dabugas> can i flood 8 lines or so here or shall i paste them in priv?
[12:18] <amu> better private
[12:18] <amu> ... and since hoary we use apt & auth ...
[12:19] <Tm_T> noooo!!
[12:19] <Tm_T> :/
[12:19] <Tm_T> I hate this
[12:19] <Tm_T> I lost my modified icons in upgrade
[12:20] <psn> Tm_T: put them in thier own theme next time
[12:20] <dabugas> amu: any ideas?
[12:20] <amu> ..continue in private
[12:22] <Tm_T> psn: own iconset, yes, next time =)
[12:22] <Tm_T> hmh, now I just need to find a way to get my modified icons back
[12:23] <Firetech> Tm_T: there is no way.
[12:23] <Tm_T> Firetech: there is, IF there's backup
[12:23] <Tm_T> I'm not sure
[12:24] <Tm_T> or I do them again
[12:24] <Tm_T> \o/
[12:24] <Tm_T> I got backup :p
[12:26] <Firetech> I always do my modifications to linux in other folders, and if I have to overwrite files, I mostly symlink...
[12:27] <Firetech> someone want's a sauna? My CPU is heating up... 61 degrees Celcius :)
[12:27] <Firetech> *Celsius
[12:27] <sirukin> cook some grill cheese with that sucker
[12:28] <sirukin> must be a p4
[12:28] <nate__> p4 pwns all
[12:28] <nate__> except everything amd
[12:28] <Firetech> P4 Celeron
[12:28] <nate__> ooooh, the pimp processor
[12:28] <Firetech> compiling amarok
[12:28] <nate__> celeron
[12:29] <pointwood> anyone know how to switch between tabs in Konsole?
[12:29] <nate__> pointwood, click the tab
[12:29] <Firetech> nate__:  no bullying, I had to get a new CPU that wasn't prescott... the only one I found was a Celeron
[12:29] <pointwood> with a keyboard shortcut :)
[12:29] <Firetech> pointwood: shift + arrow keys
[12:29] <pointwood> sorry for not being specific enough
[12:30] <nate__> Firetech, I think intel chips are funny, i own all intel, wish i had amd
[12:30] <nate__> pointwood, hehehe, i thought i'd be a smart-alec :)
[12:30] <pointwood> thx, not sure why that didn't quite work just before, must have been something with focus :)
[12:30] <Firetech> I'm saving to buy an Acer Ferrari later.
[12:30] <pointwood> nate__: bastard! :p
[12:30] <nate__> Firetech, oooh, smokin, how is the lcd on that?
[12:30] <Firetech> I don't know
[12:31] <Firetech> but the computer specs are hot.
[12:31] <Firetech> AMD 64 etc.
[12:31] <nate__> oh, that'd be critical for me.  Powerful laptops are junk without a great lcd
[12:31] <taomaster69> hey- i'm to this o/s and i need to know how to install amsn
[12:31] <nate__> ghosting gives the same effect as poor hardware
[12:32] <KaiL_> nate__: at least the resolution is more than ok
[12:32] <nate__> the refresh rate is what you wanna look at :)
[12:32] <Firetech> I think the LCD is quite good for that price
[12:32] <Firetech> www.acer.com
[12:32] <nate__> KaiL_, true, but i'd buy that laptop for gaming, and in gaming the refresh rate of the lcd is critical
[12:33] <nate__> I own an Acer Travelmate 803Lci
[12:33] <Firetech> I have a Travelmate 4501LCi behind me.
[12:33] <KaiL_> nate__: gaming on laptops? bad idea
[12:33] <Firetech> But that one belongs to my mother
[12:34] <Firetech> KaiL_: there are gaming laptops
[12:34] <nate__> KaiL_, I wouldn't buy it if not for gaming, but gaming laptops are great if you have a great lcd to play on, then its just like playin on a CRT.
[12:35] <Firetech> a friend of mine bought a laptop specifically designed for gaming...
[12:35] <nate__> yeah, great for LAN parties, i hear
[12:35] <nate__> www.voodoopc.com
[12:35] <nate__> they have great hardware
[12:35] <KaiL_> the technical data of that Acer laptop looks good, but this Ferrari-design is nothing for me
[12:35] <nate__> and a nice website too :)
[12:35] <Jeezis> how would i get pictures from a digital camera i have hooked up via us?
[12:35] <Jeezis> *usb
[12:36] <nate__> http://www.voodoopc.com/sellpage.aspx?productID=1069
[12:36] <nate__> check that one out
[12:38] <aseigo> they are in Calgary, where i live
[12:38] <aseigo> the owner is a dink, but a good businessman
[12:38] <Firetech> I think he bought a voodoopc...
[12:38] <dabugas> anyone in for a flame while i'm waiting for kubutu-desktop to install?
[12:38] <KaiL_> nate__: *brrrr*, this color...
[12:38] <Firetech> my friend that is.
[12:39] <Firetech> not sure though
[12:39] <aseigo> dabugas: your momma's so ugly that when they turn down the lights in the theatre everyone claps ... how's that?
[12:39] <aseigo> dabugas: or was that not what you had in mind? ;)
[12:40] <dabugas> aseigo: i was hopping for something more along the lines "i remember when didn't have disks. just tapes. i remember the amstrad you fool. ahahahahahahahahah!" that sort of thing
[12:41] <nate__> KaiL_, what about the color?  You can choose em, you know
[12:41] <KaiL_> I only looked at the image
[12:42] <Firetech> nate__: All Acer Ferrari models (3000-3400) has a 15.0" SXGA+ TFT LCD
[12:42] <nate__> KaiL_, click on the colors, it might be on the next page
[12:42] <nate__> $5749.30 would be the price of what i'd like in the laptop
[12:42] <nate__> Firetech, 17" WSXGA+ 1680X1050
[12:42] <KaiL_> wow
[12:42] <nate__> on the voodoopc envy
[12:43] <nate__> 717
[12:43] <Firetech> 15" is ok for me
[12:43] <nate__> makes the ferrari look like a noob
[12:43] <Firetech> a 17" laptop is too big to carry around...
[12:43] <nate__> ;P
[12:43] <Firetech> I have 17" at my WS.
[12:43] <nate__> yeah, its pretty big, but way smaller than a complete desktop system
[12:44] <nate__> Firetech, its widescreen 17" though, on the voodoopc one
[12:44] <Firetech> WSXGA = Widescreen?
[12:44] <nate__> I believe so, yes
[12:44] <nate__> let me google :)
[12:45] <nate__> Short for Wide SXGA, WSXGA is a resolution  that supports  1600 by 900 pixels  or 1600 by 1024 pixels.
[12:45] <dabugas> the kubuntu-desktop metapackage is removing some of the openoffice stuff
[12:45] <dabugas> should i worry horribly?
[12:45] <nate__> the voodoo puts the smack down, i'm definitely a fan of them :)
[12:45] <Firetech> time for me to go to bed...  the time is 12:45 AM, and I'll be picked up from my home at 9:45 AM tomorrow morning...
[12:46] <nate__> Firetech, g'nite euro :)
[12:46] <Firetech> Swede, to be more specific
[12:46] <nate__> I saw Star Wars III last night
[12:47] <Firetech> amaroK is "manually" compiled
[12:47] <nate__> Firetech, ahhh. whatever, you're all a bunch of weirdo's, only americans are normal, and by americans i mean the arrogant self-centered view that the US is the only country in america
[12:47] <Firetech> I can't say anything about that, Sweden is neutral :P
[12:47] <nate__> lol
[12:48] <nate__> go hide in your mountains, swede-boy :)
[12:48] <Firetech> just kidding, I can say whatever I want.
[12:48] <Firetech> I'm from southern sweden, It's totally flat here
[12:48] <nate__> a likely story
[12:49] <nate__> go yodel or something ;P
[12:49] <Firetech> too many americans mix up Sweden and Swizerland...
[12:49] <Firetech> both are neutral though...
[12:49] <nate__> meh, thats what i was thinkin
[12:49] <dabugas> update done; i'm restarting. if i don't show up again it either didn't work. or i fell asleep.
[12:49] <dabugas> g'night
[12:49] <Firetech> and both are pronounced Swi...
[12:50] <nate__> later
[12:50] <nate__> Firetech, see, thats my problem, you guys should change your name so i don't get as confused
[12:50] <nate__> Firetech, all the world should bow to the Americans' (Self-centered view) will
[12:51] <Firetech> Sweden lies between Norway (OIL!), Finland (Nobody can understand their language) and Denmark.
[12:51] <nate__> ouch, that sucks
[12:51] <uniq> america, foreign country 1, foreign country 2, foreign country 3 :)
[12:51] <Firetech> nah, all three are ok
[12:51] <Firetech> norwegians are most easy to understand :P
[12:52] <nate__> no they aren't!  bow to my will!
[12:52] <uniq> and i get visitors from sweden tomorrow.
[12:52] <Firetech> uniq: we want the union back ;)
[12:52] <Firetech> no we don't.
[12:53] <uniq> actually they are military too :)
[12:53] <NTolerance> sweet, KDE 3.4.1 somehow makes the GAIM systray icon transparent
[12:53] <nate__> NTolerance, so does xfce
[12:53] <Firetech> NTolerance: why don't use kopete in KDE?
[12:54] <nate__> *cough kopete sucks cough*
[12:54] <nate__> bow to my will!
[12:54] <nate__> sorry, i'm tired and moronic today
[12:54] <NTolerance> i don't use xfce
[12:54] <crimsun> konver*!@ is pretty awful, too. Long live btlbee and irssi!
[12:55] <NTolerance> i have heard bad things about kopete and already had a gaim config, so that's what i use
[12:55] <nate__> NTolerance, you should try xfce, its pretty nice, very configurable
[12:55] <NTolerance> i'm addicted to baghira for KDE
[12:55] <nate__> ahhh, i see
[12:56] <nate__> never tried baghira, what are its' features?
[12:56] <sander__> Konversation is nice. If only the inline spellchecker would stay on by default.
[12:56] <sander__> Anyone tried the 3.4.1 debs yet? Any breakage?
[12:56] <nate__> sander__, konversation was my irc prog of choice until it started making xfce freak out
[12:57] <Firetech> nate is too self-centered.
[12:57] <nate__> nooooo!!!! not my umbilical cord!
[12:57] <psn> nate__: hmm in what way does it make xfce freak out?
[12:57] <nate__> Firetech, sure am!  I'm american! bow to my WILL!!!!!
[12:57] <NTolerance> nate__: it's a Mac OSX theme for KDE, looks very nice...very configurable, has some nice mouseover highlighting that other themes don't have
[12:57] <nate__> psn, it makes my background disappear and i can no longer use the right click menu on the desktop.
[12:57] <NTolerance> sander__: i am running 3.4.1, no problems so far
[12:58] <Firetech> wile writing a will
[12:58] <Firetech> *while
[12:58] <sander__> nate__: Bummer.
[12:58] <Firetech> and talking to Will.
[12:58] <nate__> sander__, exactly, konversation rules, too bad it won't work with xfce, which i'm addicted to
[12:58] <Firetech> the only problem I got with 3.4.1 is that JuK broke.
[12:59] <Firetech> I'm using amaroK again  instead.
[12:59] <NTolerance> i like konversation
[12:59] <nate__> luuuuuke, uuussseeee the fooooorrrrccceee
[12:59] <Firetech> gnite world.
[12:59] <psn> nate__: ah sounds like the desktop crashes... can't come up with a reason though, it doesn't do anything special with the desktop
[12:59] <Firetech> I like KVIrc
[12:59] <Firetech> it even works in gnome :)
[12:59] <sander__> Konversation weened me off my last GTK app. Not that I have anything against them or anything. :)
[01:00] <nate__> psn, yeah, i had no idea either, so i stopped using it, xchat works ok, just its systray plugin works very poorly
[01:00] <nate__> Firetech, gnite swedish mountain yodeler who bows to my will!
[01:00] <Firetech> sweden != switzerland
[01:01] <nate__> Firetech, yodeleyhihoo!?
[01:01] <psn> nate__: I might take a look sometime if I feel like installing xfce
[01:01] <nate__> psn, xfce is very configurable, i definitely like it.  Give it a shot, worst case scenario you just uninstall it :)
[01:02] <psn> nate__: well I'm a kde devel :)
[01:02] <Firetech> but, as long as you americans think that, noone will attack sweden, too many americans has got secret money in strange swizz banks.
[01:02] <nate__> psn, consider yourself excluded :) lol
[01:03] <Firetech> psn: if you try xfce you might become a xfce devel instead? :P
[01:03] <nate__> Firetech, yodel? yodelayhihoo? ahhhh, yodel yodel!
[01:03] <nate__> Firetech, do you wear leiderhosen?
[01:03] <Firetech> no
[01:03] <psn> Firetech: not likely /me and  gtk doesn't agree
[01:03] <Firetech> I wear normal pants.
[01:03] <nate__> Firetech, awww, you just ruined my mental image
[01:04] <nate__> Firetech, a guy typing on irc while yodeling and wearing clogs with leiderhosen
[01:04] <Firetech> not really...
[01:04] <nate__> do all the swede's wear clogs?
[01:04] <Firetech> Firetech, a typical Swedish computer nerd.
[01:04] <nate__> Firetech, oh, so you DO wear clogs, ok
[01:05] <nate__> lol, sorry, i think this is soooo funny :)
[01:05] <psn> Firetech: well then I'm atypical
[01:05] <Firetech> no swedes wear it, an mostly noone in swizerland either.
[01:05] <nate__> psn, you wear leiderhosen?
[01:06] <psn> nate__: clogs now and then... well the modern version of them at least
[01:06] <NTolerance> does anyone here use the keyboard shortcuts for kmix?
[01:06] <Firetech> drain bamaged. can't think of any funny american prejudices...
[01:06] <nate__> psn, i'm glad you can admit it.  admitting is the first step to recovery
[01:06] <nate__> Firetech, we all carry guns
[01:07] <psn> nate__: I use them at work... which isn't all that uncommon
[01:07] <NTolerance> guns are expensive :(
[01:08] <nate__> psn, would you jump off a bridge if everyone else at work did?
[01:08] <nate__> NTolerance, we shoot people for them, its cheaper that way
[01:08] <Firetech> I saw an episode of Extreme Makeover Home edition some weeks ago... Some guy had been shot on the street, then the shooter had come forward to him and said: "Oh, sorry, you were the wrong guy. Can I help you in any way?"
[01:08] <Firetech> that's just plain sick.
[01:08] <nate__> thats the american way!  well, at least the texans
[01:08] <psn> nate__: no but wearing them is mandatory....
[01:09] <Firetech> this was in the slum of LA I think.
[01:09] <nate__> psn, its a sad day for the swedes......
[01:09] <nate__> Firetech, must have been a traveling texans.  they're like cockroaches, scattering from place to place
[01:09] <Firetech> psn: are you from swizerland?
[01:10] <psn> Firetech: nope sweden
[01:10] <Firetech> wearing clogs?
[01:10] <psn> Firetech: I said the modern version of them
[01:10] <Firetech> nate__: I can tell you that psn isn't very typical.
[01:11] <Firetech> you meanm like... a belt?
[01:11] <psn> Firetech: i don't work in IT so probably not in this channel
[01:11] <Firetech> psn: where in Sweden do you live?
[01:11] <nate__> psn, you devel for kde but don't work in IT?  what is sweden coming to!?!?!
[01:12] <psn> Firetech: Kumla
[01:12] <Firetech> psn: the prison or the city? ;)
[01:12] <psn> Firetech: outside the walls :)
[01:12] <Firetech> aww.
[01:13] <amu> please test the new hoary liveCD with kde 3.4.1 
[01:13] <Firetech> I'm from a village outside Lund.
[01:13] <kpanic> hey guys, do you know if there is qtparted in kubuntu live powerpc?
[01:13] <amu> kpanic: no, it isnt 
[01:14] <philipacamaniac> I've successfully upgraded to KDE 3.4.1 (on my home computer) via the cdrom I made earlier.
[01:14] <Firetech> amu: /me is loading the damned CD, then :P
[01:14] <amu> philipacamaniac: cool
[01:14] <kpanic> amu, k :( it could be a great add if one wants to maintain his macosx
[01:15] <Firetech> goodnight world of linux.
[01:15] <Firetech> and the rest of it too.
[01:15] <amu> Firetech: thx would be fine, for me it works, before annouceing to to everywhere i need min. a sec. test :)
[01:15] <philipacamaniac> amu: I can download the livecd as early as tomorrow and test it
[01:15] <amu> kpanic: there are some plans for it for the next release
[01:15] <nate__> amu, run and hide!  we have 2, COUNT IT! 2 SWEDES IN HERE!!!!
[01:16] <nate__> dontpanic
[01:16] <nate__> Don't Panic
[01:16] <Firetech> amu: I wont tet it before tomorrow.
[01:16] <amu> philipacamaniac: that would be great, thanks a lot  
[01:16] <Firetech> run and hit, ONE nate__ in here!
[01:16] <Firetech> *hide
[01:16] <amu> nate__: sorry i cant find the point :) 
[01:16] <Firetech> I'm too tired to chat.
[01:16] <nate__> lol
[01:16] <nate__> or run and hit
[01:16] <kpanic> amu, cool. very good. thanks and keep up the good work. ok, I'll take another path, I want to use GNU/Linux :)
[01:16] <kpanic> bye people
[01:16] <kpanic> nite
[01:17] <nate__> thats fine too :)
[01:17] <Firetech> good night, for the fifty eleventh time.
[01:18] <amu> n8 Firetech 
[01:18] <nate__> i'm tired
[01:18] <nate__> i'm gonna go lay down
[01:25] <_pedro> hi @ll out there
[01:27] <_pedro> you are very quiet
[01:27] <Tm_T> yup
[01:33] <_pedro> somebody from spain?
[02:21] <peterj> hiya
[02:23] <peterj> anyone here could help me with probably a silly problem i got
[02:24] <peterj> as far as i could understand from the documentation i should be able to run kynaptic as im the first and only user on this system except root but i am not, since i'm not in the sudoers group
[02:28] <Tm_T> eeh?
[02:28] <Tm_T> peterj: as default, all are in sudoers list
[02:28] <Tm_T> I mean all
[02:29] <mrmanic> I got rid of that rootless thing.  I like having root.
[02:29] <crimsun> you had root all along
[02:30] <Tm_T> yup
[02:30] <Tm_T> it's just "hidden"
[02:30] <Tm_T> "sudo passwd root" help ;p
[02:33] <mrmanic> crimsun: I know, but people call it rootless cause you can't log in as root or whatever.
[02:33] <crimsun> mrmanic: they like the warm 'n fuzzies
[02:34] <othernoob> mrmanic: doesnt sudo -i log you in as root ?
[02:34] <mrmanic> crimsun: I don't know what you mean by that, but whatever it is it makes me feel kind of uncomfortable.
[02:34] <mrmanic> othernoob: I have no idea.  I never tried it.
[02:35] <othernoob> then go ahead and try it ;)
[02:35] <othernoob> cause it says root after you entered the password..
[02:35] <mrmanic> :)
[02:35] <mrmanic> thanks othernoob 
[02:35] <othernoob> yw
[02:35] <mrmanic> apparently I'm the otherothernoob
[02:35] <mrmanic> :\
[02:35] <mrmanic> I'm some kind of noob anyway
[02:35] <crimsun> mrmanic: it means "some people like to play semantic games"
[02:35] <othernoob> othernoob= utternoob ;)
[02:36] <mrmanic> crimsun: ten four good buddy
[02:36] <othernoob> crimsun: what do you mean by semantic games ?
[02:36] <crimsun> othernoob: playing word games
[02:37] <crimsun> (but not just word games, games with meanings, too)
[02:37] <othernoob> heh, i know what semantic means.. but i meant ..could you give me an example ;)
[02:38] <crimsun> othernoob: init 2 and init 3, for instance
[02:38] <othernoob> heh i see
[02:41] <Furic> im updating kde via the kde mirrors for kubuntu, theres no probs there right?
[02:42] <nldk> Furic > I had to uninstall kdm before upgrading. Afterwards I installed it again. Otherwise all went smoothly
[02:42] <nldk> The new kde solved some nasty konqueror and kuser crashes on my systems
[02:42] <Furic> ooh
[02:43] <Furic> does kopetes msn upport work too?
[02:43] <nldk> yep
[02:43] <Furic> now, is that a good thing or a bad thing, im not totally sure
[02:44] <nldk> i guess it's ok that kopete supports msn??
[02:44] <Tm_T> Furic: why not to use kubuntu repos?
[02:44] <Furic> Tm_T does kubuntu have an aussie mirror?
[02:45] <Tm_T> Furic: does it have to?
[02:45] <Tm_T> and I think yes
[02:45] <Furic> hmm... oh well the upgrade has started now
[02:45] <Tm_T> :p
[02:48] <nldk> how do I add apt repository gpg keys to my system?
[02:49] <crimsun> to which user?
[02:49] <Tm_T> hmm, there's something in wiki?
[02:49] <nldk> root?
[02:50] <reagleBRKLN> anyone know if the 3.4.1 kubuntu debs have the kpilot patch applied?
[02:50] <nldk> when I add a none-official repository apt keeps bugging me about unsigned packages
[02:50] <reagleBRKLN> having it eat my memos sounds a little scary
[02:52] <Tm_T> nldk: yes, there was something in wiki about it
[02:52] <nldk> gotta link
[02:52] <othernoob> nldk: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#h2add  step 7 ? 
[02:53] <nldk> great - thanks!
[02:53] <othernoob> yw
[02:55] <VaderDarth> hi
[02:55] <VaderDarth> what is kubuntu pls
[02:55] <VaderDarth> is it different from ubuntu?
[02:55] <othernoob> kubuntu uses kde as window system
[02:55] <othernoob> ubuntu uses gnome
[02:55] <nldk> kubuntu uses kde instead of gnome
[02:56] <othernoob> thats it
[02:56] <VaderDarth> so is the same apps etc
[02:57] <othernoob> not quite..
[02:57] <nldk> not really
[02:57] <othernoob> ubuntu uses gnome, thus has the gnome based progs..
[02:57] <othernoob> and kubuntu uses kde, thus kde progs..
[02:57] <nldk> check out: www.gnome.org and www.kde.org
[02:58] <nldk> you'll see the difference
[02:58] <VaderDarth> which is better
[02:58] <nldk> kde
[02:58] <reagleBRKLN> kde!
[02:58] <nldk> :-)
[02:58] <VaderDarth> what is K de
[02:58] <reagleBRKLN> VaderDarth, you know you're asking on the Kubuntu channel, right? try the same ? on #ubuntu
[02:59] <reagleBRKLN> oh geez, go read the pages
[02:59] <Tm_T> =)
[02:59] <mrmanic> is kubuntu going to localize firefox for kde instead of gnome?
[02:59] <VaderDarth> K for everything?
[02:59] <Tm_T> Kool ;p
[02:59] <VaderDarth> what does the K stand for
[02:59] <VaderDarth> pls
[02:59] <Tm_T> Kool as far as I know
[02:59] <Furic> eek
[03:00] <Tm_T> mrmanic: what you mean?
[03:00] <nldk> who cares
[03:00] <Furic> i wasn't so lucky it appears
[03:00] <VaderDarth> i know d e is for desktop environment
[03:00] <mrmanic> K doesn't stand for anything anymore
[03:00] <Tm_T> yup
[03:00] <VaderDarth> ok can i install NFS on kubuntu
[03:01] <Tm_T> why not?
[03:01] <mrmanic> Tm_T: I mean currently firefox uses gtk and the gnome file open dialogs etc.
[03:01] <VaderDarth> I have a FC2 NFS server
[03:01] <nldk> you can install nearly anything you want
[03:01] <Tm_T> mrmanic: ah, you mean qt/gtk
[03:01] <nldk> Furic, what went wrong?
[03:01] <Furic> error "trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf" when processing kdelibs-data
[03:01] <VaderDarth> that talks to a solaris server, which talks to a netware server which then talks to 200 win XP machines
[03:01] <mrmanic> Tm_T: yeah, basically.
[03:02] <Tm_T> mrmanic: it's not kubuntu's task
[03:02] <Tm_T> mrmanic: there is qt-firefox project
[03:02] <VaderDarth> can i run kubuntu at init 3
[03:02] <nldk> mrmanic, don't use apt-get to install firefox. Download it from the firefox web site and install it
[03:03] <mrmanic> nldk: that seems like the best option.
[03:03] <nldk> Furic, dpkg -p knetworkconf and try again
[03:03] <nldk> mrmanic: works for me
[03:03] <Tm_T> VaderDarth: sure
[03:04] <reagleBRKLN> stupid IRC question, when you respond to someone, do you typically type in there name, or click it somewhere... seems like a lot of typing and haven't found such a feature in kvirc
[03:04] <Furic> nldk: that didn't help at all, it seemed to just make dpkg output some metadata about knetworkconf
[03:04] <Tm_T> reagleBRKLN: what?
[03:04] <mrmanic> reagleBRKLN: typing someone's name actually makes it easier to figure out who you're talking to
[03:05] <mrmanic> reagleBRKLN: generally tab-completion is available on gui clients.
[03:05] <reagleBRKLN> Tm_T: i wish i could've just clicked your name or something to respond to your message, but I had to type it in
[03:05] <Tm_T> mrmanic: generally in any irc clients
[03:05] <mrmanic> reagleBRKLN: so you can type the first 2 or 3 characters and hit tab
[03:05] <reagleBRKLN> people with long names, including myself, are a pain ;)
[03:05] <VaderDarth> Tm_T: thanks
[03:05] <reagleBRKLN> mrmanic: sweet!
[03:05] <nldk> Furic: what's the data?
[03:05] <mrmanic> reagleBRKLN: my EPIC config must have been hosed.
[03:05] <mrmanic> er
[03:05] <reagleBRKLN> didn't know there was autcomlete
[03:05] <Tm_T> reagleBRKLN: ... click in irc? what? you use graphical client??!!!
[03:05] <mrmanic> Tm_T: my EPIC config must have been hosed
[03:05] <reagleBRKLN> Tm_T: yes, evil, i know
[03:05] <Tm_T> =)
[03:06] <Furic> nldk: im in console after the kdm issues, i cant paste it all, even if i could it would need to go in a pastebin
[03:06] <VaderDarth> can Kubuntu run on a VIA epia
[03:06] <Tm_T> ?
[03:06] <Tm_T> why not
[03:06] <Tm_T> if you can run any linux
[03:06] <VaderDarth> i plan on buying an m10000
[03:07] <nldk> Furic: Try sudo apt-get -f install
[03:07] <reagleBRKLN> ok, time to restart kde for 3.4.1!
[03:07] <VaderDarth> http://www.mini-itx.com/
[03:07] <Furic> nldk: also did nothing
[03:07] <nldk> Furic: and then sudo dpkg -P knetworkconf
[03:07] <Furic> ooh, caps p
[03:07] <VaderDarth> will the m1000 work out of the box
[03:08] <VaderDarth> i mean what hardware do u guys use
[03:08] <VaderDarth> or anyone tried an epia
[03:08] <nldk> Furic: Just checking - you use sudo don't you?
[03:08] <Furic> nldk: im doing this in a root console
[03:09] <nldk> Furic: OK - just making sure
[03:09] <Furic> Ahh ha
[03:09] <Tm_T> VaderDarth: I "build" my own pc
[03:09] <Furic> all seems well now, time for reboot, thanks nldk and everyone ^_^
[03:10] <VaderDarth> cool Tm_T, so u think the graphics in the m10000 will work?
[03:11] <VaderDarth> http://www.mini-itx.com/reviews/nehemiah/
[03:12] <Tm_T> VaderDarth: sure, afaik
[03:12] <Furic> woo hoo
[03:12] <nldk> well, well Furic ?
[03:13] <Tm_T> VaderDarth: http://www.mini-itx.com/reviews/nehemiah/default.asp?page=7#s14
[03:13] <Furic> all appears to be working ^_^
[03:13] <VaderDarth>  think the graphics is  S3. UniChrome 
[03:13] <Tm_T> VaderDarth: so I think ti works... with little work though =)
[03:13] <VaderDarth> i reall want a small pc
[03:13] <nldk> Furic: congrats and welcome to the new kde!
[03:14] <VaderDarth> like this in my home, like a mac mini!!
[03:14] <nldk> brb
[03:14] <reagleBRKLN> hello with 3.4.1! :) lets see, lost my desktop trashcan again, still same old libtunepimp issue, not sure if kpilot will eat memos
[03:14] <Tm_T> haha
[03:15] <VaderDarth> Tm_T: me ??
[03:15] <Tm_T> reagleBRKLN: just disable "hidden" in trashcan
[03:15] <reagleBRKLN> Tm_T: i did it once, but don't remember how to find that option
[03:15] <VaderDarth> Tm_T: how much ram will kubuntu need to run
[03:16] <VaderDarth> also can i get MythTV for Kubuntu
[03:16] <Tm_T> VaderDarth: hmm, 64 is enough to _run_
[03:16] <Tm_T> reagleBRKLN: ok, it's easy
[03:16] <VaderDarth> i mean run apss as well
[03:16] <VaderDarth> i mean comfortable
[03:16] <Tm_T> heh, 128
[03:17] <Tm_T> 256 is smooth
[03:17] <Tm_T> and my 1G is _enough_
[03:17] <VaderDarth> so if i buy a 512 stick is it om
[03:17] <Tm_T> but I still wan't more
[03:17] <Tm_T> it's great
[03:17] <reagleBRKLN> Tm_T: i recently went from 512M to 1G and notice *no* difference
[03:17] <VaderDarth> can i get MythTv
[03:17] <reagleBRKLN> didn't even need to bother
[03:17] <Tm_T> VaderDarth: yup
[03:17] <VaderDarth> where from?
[03:18] <VaderDarth> i don't want to compile
[03:18] <Tm_T> reagleBRKLN: ~/Desktop/trash.desktop ... edit that file
[03:18] <Tm_T> VaderDarth: why not
[03:18] <VaderDarth> can u get a compiler for via
[03:18] <VaderDarth> c3
[03:18] <Tm_T> uhm
[03:19] <othernoob> what's wrong with compiling ?
[03:19] <Tm_T> VaderDarth: and mythtv is in repos
[03:19] <VaderDarth> coll Tm_T
[03:19] <Tm_T> and many related packages
[03:19] <VaderDarth> cool
[03:19] <VaderDarth> so all i need to do is>
[03:20] <VaderDarth> apt-get MythTv ???
[03:20] <Tm_T> apt-get install mythtv
[03:20] <othernoob> sudo apt-get install 
[03:20] <Tm_T> maybe something more
[03:20] <Tm_T> aah
[03:20] <Tm_T> I always forget that people don't use root account
[03:20] <VaderDarth> will it not do everything on its own>
[03:21] <othernoob> lol
[03:21] <othernoob> eh.. vaderdarth.. is typing a command too much ?
[03:21] <Tm_T> I have separate vdesktop for root Konsole sessions :p
[03:21] <othernoob> vaderdarth, you can use kynaptic as well
[03:21] <VaderDarth> no it needs Mysql and stuff
[03:21] <othernoob> you know...gui..colors..and all ;)
[03:22] <VaderDarth> what th f** is kynaptic
[03:23] <VaderDarth> never heard of it
[03:23] <mrmanic> synaptic modified for kde with bugs thrown in?
[03:23] <nldk> VaderDarth: kynaptic is a graphical package manager
[03:23] <nldk> I like synaptic better though
[03:23] <VaderDarth> ok, but will it set up the MythTv for me
[03:23] <nldk> VaderDarth: sure
[03:24] <othernoob> VaderDarth: it will install it
[03:24] <VaderDarth> is there anyone here who has done that?
[03:24] <nldk> kpackage is ok too actually
[03:24] <VaderDarth> can kubuntu play DVDS
[03:24] <mrmanic> I prefer kpackage
[03:24] <nldk> kubuntu can do anything you want it too
[03:24] <VaderDarth> can u play DVDs pls
[03:25] <othernoob> nldk: it hasnt got me laid yet :/
[03:25] <nldk> VaderDarth: yes
[03:25] <nldk> othernoob: lol
[03:25] <VaderDarth> do u need to download stuff?
[03:25] <VaderDarth> or is it out of the box
[03:26] <nldk> VaderDarth: read yhe wiki
[03:26] <VaderDarth> ok
[03:28] <alex_> can anyone help? every time i try to switch into administrator mode in kubuntu it doesn't work, it just hangs. also, whenever i try to do anything sudo in konsole, i get the message: "unable to lookup ubuntu via gethostbyname". what should i do? please help! i cant create a root account since i cant use sudo...
[03:29] <nldk> VaderDarth: E.g. you need to install libdvdcss (http://developers.videolan.org/libdvdcss/)
[03:29] <VaderDarth> ok
[03:29] <VaderDarth> thanks all, c u all tmmrw, got to sleep!
[03:29] <VaderDarth> bye
[03:30] <alex_> pleeeeaaaaase can anyone help
[03:30] <nldk> alex_: type "hostname" in a console
[03:30] <alex_> k
[03:30] <nldk> whta's the output?
[03:30] <alex_> ubuntu
[03:30] <alex_> strange...
[03:31] <nate__> i ate too much
[03:31] <nldk> check the contents of /etc/hosts
[03:31] <nate__> feels like i might explode
[03:31] <nate__> seriously
[03:31] <nate__> this is bad
[03:31] <alex_> there's no ubuntu
[03:31] <nldk> add ubuntu at the end of the first line that starts with 127.0.0.1
[03:32] <alex_> ya but i dont have privileges
[03:32] <nldk> darn - i forgot that
[03:32] <alex_> ya... it been bugging me for a while...
[03:33] <alex_> they should include root in installation like all the others....
[03:33] <nldk> try rebooting and add linux single to the grub parameters
[03:34] <nldk> "linux single"
[03:34] <nldk> this should give you a root prompt
[03:34] <alex_> grub? sorry im new to linux...
[03:35] <Curalton> alex_: the bootloader
[03:35] <othernoob> grub= bootmanager
[03:35] <alex_> ahh
[03:35] <nldk> alex_: I haven't tried this in kubuntu though - so I don't know if it works...
[03:35] <alex_> k
[03:35] <Curalton> alex_: but you have to be quick at the start to get into the grub bootmenu
[03:36] <alex_> ill try... rebooting...
[03:36] <Curalton> press "e" to edit the cmdline
[03:36] <alex_> so how exactly to i "add" it?
[03:36] <Curalton> when done b to boot iirc
[03:36] <alex_> a
[03:37] <Curalton> alex_: so in other words you forgot your user loginpass? :)
[03:37] <Curalton> nldk: tried in ubuntu or where?
[03:37] <alex_> no, i just have no root
[03:37] <Curalton> nldk: because iirc debian single boot method requires rootpass
[03:37] <Curalton> alex_: ah, but you have your own password still?
[03:38] <alex_> ya
[03:38] <alex_> hmm e does nothing...
[03:38] <nldk> Curalton: his hosts file doesn't include his hostname
[03:38] <alex_> missed it... now its booting
[03:38] <Curalton> alex_: ah, then you have admin rights
[03:38] <alex_> ya
[03:38] <Curalton> alex_: thats the hole idea behind the sudo thing (mac os x also uses this)
[03:39] <alex_> ya im dual booting with mac os x
[03:39] <alex_> im typing this on mac os :)
[03:39] <Curalton> ohhh, a ppc
[03:39] <alex_> ya
[03:39] <Curalton> err, that is yaboot as a bootloader
[03:39] <Curalton> it doesnt have a bootcmdline
[03:39] <alex_> thats why it didnt work!
[03:39] <Curalton> or, not one as grub, youd have to go into openfirmware
[03:40] <alex_> ahh i know how to do that ;)
[03:40] <Curalton> alex_: anyhow, if you still have your own login password and this is the first user you added you practically are "root"
[03:40] <alex_> but i cant even add new users or anything... it just hangs at "loading" with the red border in control center
[03:40] <Curalton> alex_: remember os x asks for *your* password when changing stuff, not the nonexisting root users?
[03:41] <alex_> but i cant even sudp
[03:41] <alex_> *sudo
[03:41] <alex_> i use that pretty often
[03:41] <nldk> Curalton: sudo doesn't work because his hostname can not be resolved...
[03:41] <Curalton> ah, now i get it. hostspecific sudo 
[03:41] <alex_> i guess
[03:42] <alex_> so should i enter into open firmware now?
[03:42] <alex_> or that would be useless
[03:42] <Curalton> oh dear... something very obscure
[03:42] <alex_> sorry :\
[03:42] <Curalton> alex_: hmm, the easier way would probably be to boot from CD
[03:42] <alex_> okay...
[03:42] <Curalton> then mount the root partition, chroot into it and set a new pass
[03:42] <Curalton> insert cd and type "cdboot" (iirc)
[03:42] <alex_> sure
[03:43] <alex_> shutting down...
[03:43] <Curalton> for the details maybe check #ubuntu-ppc
[03:43] <Curalton> or even #debianppc
[03:43] <alex_> ahh didnt realise there was such
[03:43] <alex_> **finds cd**
[03:44] <Curalton> alex_: /msg Chanselv list *ppc* or so would give you a list of channels
[03:44] <Curalton> alex_: doh! os x still boots?
[03:44] <alex_> ya
[03:44] <nldk> alex_: Still remember to add ubuntu to your /etc/hosts file or else it still won't work
[03:45] <alex_> okay
[03:45] <Curalton> get the ext2fs plugin for os x, mount your root partition and set an empty rootpass or maybe fix /etc/hosts
[03:45] <alex_> ah!
[03:45] <alex_> ill try that right away
[03:45] <Curalton> ext2fs.sf.net or something
[03:45] <Curalton> sec. lemme check
[03:45] <alex_> **ejects cd and reboots**
[03:45] <Curalton> heh :)
[03:45] <alex_> :)
[03:45] <Curalton> wait a bit and we come up with even more solutions to fix your problem :)
[03:46] <alex_> haha
[03:46] <alex_> thanks you guys have already been terrific :)
[03:46] <Curalton> there http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsx/
[03:47] <alex_> cool thanks
[03:47] <Curalton> i hope you didnt pick something fancy like XFS or so as a root filesystem though :)
[03:47] <nldk> alex_: I'm pretty sure the hosts thing will solve your problem
[03:47] <alex_> nldk: me too!
[03:47] <alex_> Curalton: naa :)
[03:48] <alex_> glad i didnt
[03:48] <Curalton> xfs is "cool" for ppc because it also has big endianness as the ppc arch, so the pc is dont nanoseconds faster ;)
[03:48] <Curalton> is done*
[03:48] <alex_> wow!
[03:49] <Curalton> maybe just attoseconds, never tried
[03:49] <alex_> a few attoseconds!
[03:49] <alex_> i cant beleive it!
[03:49] <Curalton> an attoparsec leap forward!
[03:50] <alex_> haha
[03:50] <nldk> so alex_ is it working?
[03:50] <alex_> well just finished downloading...
[03:50] <alex_> i had to reboot
[03:50] <alex_> into osx
[03:51] <alex_> on my old ibook
[03:51] <alex_> installing...
[03:51] <Curalton> heh, ibook as well here :)
[03:51] <Curalton> g3 700mhz
[03:51] <alex_> 800mgz but close!
[03:52] <alex_> but im typing this on my g5  8) 
[03:52] <Curalton> but debian on it
[03:52] <Curalton> alex_: gna :P
[03:52] <alex_> ya i was thinking about that
[03:52] <alex_> hehe
[03:52] <alex_> aww man i have to reboot again...
[03:52] <Curalton> to quote the #debianppc topic "Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test."
[03:53] <alex_> haha
[03:53] <alex_> booting...
[03:54] <Curalton> nldk: blast, thats evil indeed, sudoers file doesnt just accept "localhost"
[03:54] <alex_> hmm its not mounting...
[03:55] <Curalton> that can wreach havoc on box in difference dhcp environments
[03:55] <nldk> Curalton: tell me about it...
[03:55] <Curalton> alex_: goto the system prefs and the ext2 settings, mount them there (iirc)
[03:55] <alex_> oops hehe...
[03:56] <Curalton> nldk: ah, but it accepts "ALL"
[03:56] <alex_> so which one is the root one...
[03:56] <nldk> que?
[03:56] <Curalton> nldk: heh, no kubuntu at hand here to see if it puts "hostname" or ALL in this section of sudoers
[03:56] <alex_> the biggest one i guess
[03:57] <nldk> yeh
[03:57] <Curalton> nldk: user ALL= some command is working in /etc/sudoers
[03:57] <alex_> aww crap it says it needs to be repaired, cant mount
[03:57] <Curalton> alex_: to be on the safe side maybe also set root pass to zero in /etc/shadow
[03:57] <Curalton> o.O
[03:58] <alex_> hmm
[03:58] <Curalton> alex_: hmm, maybe one more boot up - boot down cyle on kubuntu
[03:58] <nldk> alex_: do you have live cd?
[03:58] <alex_> ya both
[03:58] <nldk> boot on one of them
[03:58] <Curalton> alex_: then it should fsck the rootfs if needed
[03:58] <Curalton> yay, 5th method :)
[03:58] <nldk> all you need to do is changing you /etc/hosts file
[03:58] <alex_> haha
[03:59] <alex_> i cant beleive it !! :)
[03:59] <alex_> reboots again...
[03:59] <nldk> hehe
[03:59] <alex_> so the live cd not the install right?
[03:59] <Curalton> well, good luck then, im off. late here :)
[03:59] <nldk> here too
[03:59] <alex_> ah well tanks!
[03:59] <Curalton> the install CD would just boot a minimal shell
[03:59] <alex_> okay
[04:00] <alex_> bye curalton!
[04:00] <Curalton> you'd have to mount the rootfs on your own etc.
[04:00] <nldk> I'll stick around - curious to see what happens
[04:00] <alex_> k thanks!
[04:00] <alex_> ill hurry up
[04:00] <Curalton> cyas, nn
[04:00] <nldk> byebye
[04:00] <alex_> bye
[04:01] <nldk> so, how are we doing?
[04:01] <alex_> well its booting...
[04:01] <alex_> lots of text ;)
[04:01] <nldk> that's always something
[04:02] <alex_> now its detecting hardware and such
[04:02] <alex_> so basically all i would have to do is add ubuntu to /etc/hosts?
[04:03] <nldk> yep - add the end of the line that starts with 127.0.0.1 (probably the 1st)
[04:03] <alex_> wow so much for so little!
[04:04] <alex_> so what time is where you are?
[04:04] <Tm_T> 0504
[04:04] <alex_> am or pm?
[04:04] <Tm_T> ...
[04:04] <alex_> i hope pm...
[04:05] <nldk> 0404 am
[04:05] <Tm_T> yup
[04:05] <alex_> are you serious nldk?
[04:05] <Tm_T> 0505
[04:05] <Tm_T> alex_: he is, just like me
[04:05] <alex_> uhh....
[04:05] <alex_> bit late huh?
[04:05] <Tm_T> early
[04:05] <Tm_T> and late
[04:05] <alex_> ya lol
[04:05] <nldk> early, late whatever
[04:05] <alex_> heh
[04:06] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I should sleep someday soon
[04:06] <nldk> lack of sleep is the result
[04:06] <alex_> ya i guess...
[04:06] <nldk> alex_: did it finish booting?
[04:06] <alex_> almost...
[04:06] <Tm_T> haha
[04:06] <phxguy> can anyone help me with a problem im having getting Acrobat reader to work in kubuntu?
[04:06] <nldk> because you need to mount you linux partition and stuff
[04:06] <Tm_T> "did it finish bloating"
[04:06] <Tm_T> maybe I really should sleep =)
[04:06] <alex_> hahaha
[04:07] <alex_> i think so
[04:07] <Tm_T> naeh
[04:07] <nldk> don't edit the hosts file on the live cd (you can't actually)
[04:07] <alex_> ya
[04:07] <alex_> hahaha
[04:07] <alex_> im at the splash screen
[04:07] <nldk> "just checking the walls" (Basil Fawlty)
[04:08] <alex_> what would happen if i attempt to install gnome on kubuntu or kde on ubuntu?
[04:08] <nldk> you die
[04:08] <Tm_T> nothing dangerous
[04:08] <alex_> ah im finally in!
[04:08] <alex_> ok
[04:08] <nldk> nothing really 
[04:08] <Tm_T> it doesn't matter really
[04:09] <nldk> you'll probably get an overstuffed system menu 
[04:09] <alex_> hehe
[04:09] <nldk> with mixed gnome and kde apps
[04:09] <alex_> eww i hate clutter
[04:10] <alex_> how do i get to my hard drive? media? it cant mount it... i feel so stupid...
[04:11] <nldk> run sudo fdisk /dev/hda
[04:11] <nldk> I don't know if hda is right htough
[04:11] <alex_> oh shit
[04:11] <alex_> my computer fell asleep...
[04:11] <alex_> no more batteruy
[04:11] <alex_> *battery
[04:12] <nldk> buh 
[04:12] <alex_> :( :(
[04:12] <nldk> don't you have a powersupply?
[04:12] <nldk> anyway - now you can feel stupid... :-)
[04:13] <alex_> yes but now i woke it up and it blabs on that ugly text screen cant find cpu frequency
[04:13] <alex_> sorry, i dont want to keep you up...
[04:13] <nldk> don't worry - i'll be here until your gear works
[04:14] <alex_> are you sure?
[04:14] <alex_> wow
[04:14] <alex_> i wish everyone on this planet was like you....
[04:14] <nldk> some people might say that i need a life
[04:14] <alex_> lol
[04:14] <alex_> that is a life
[04:15] <alex_> and they say the same to me...
[04:15] <nldk> where are you from actually?
[04:15] <alex_> los angeles
[04:15] <alex_> part french, corsican to be exact
[04:16] <alex_> and you?
[04:16] <nldk> trs bien!
[04:16] <alex_> hehe, cool!
[04:16] <alex_> oui oui
[04:17] <phxguy> can't anybody help me out here?
[04:17] <alex_> what do you need?
[04:17] <nldk> with what?
[04:18] <alex_> phxguy?
[04:18] <phxguy> alex_:  Im having a problem getting acrobat reader to work in kubuntu hoary
[04:18] <nldk> alex_: status?
[04:19] <alex_> well its in the middle of rebooting
[04:19] <nldk> phxguy: download it from adobe's home page - don't use apt or something
[04:19] <phxguy> I installed acrobat reader through synaptic 
[04:19] <nldk> you can't
[04:19] <nldk> even though it says so...
[04:20] <phxguy> i downloaded from the adobe download page and did alien -i 
[04:20] <phxguy> when i tried to run it is said i didn't have permission
[04:21] <nldk> download the tar.gz file instead http://ardownload.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/unix/7x/7.0/enu/AdbeRdr70_linux_enu.tar.gz
[04:21] <alex_> its at the splash screen...
[04:22] <phxguy> if download that file am i gonna have to makefile and junk
[04:22] <alex_> i dont get it... what are the other 65 people doing on this channel?
[04:22] <phxguy> usually just taking up space.
[04:22] <nldk> nope - it's just an install file - no compiling necessary
[04:23] <phxguy> o ok
[04:23] <nldk> alex_: having a life...
[04:23] <alex_> hahaha
[04:24] <alex_> okay so i typed sudo fdisk /dev/hda
[04:24] <alex_> now what?
[04:24] <nldk> type p
[04:24] <alex_> whoa
[04:24] <nldk> what's the output?
[04:24] <phxguy> nldk do i need to use sudo to run the install script?
[04:24] <alex_> all my partitions
[04:25] <nldk> phxguy: i don't think so
[04:25] <alex_> i beleive i must mount my hda3
[04:25] <nldk> alex_: ok
[04:25] <nldk> alex_: mkdir /mnt/hda3 and mount /dev/hda3 /mnt/hda3
[04:27] <alex_> hmm
[04:27] <Tm_Nuada> I'm triple!
[04:27] <Tm_Nuada> almost quadrophenia
[04:27] <alex_> so i type mkdir /mnt/hda3 then mount /dev/hda3 then /mnt/hda3?
[04:27] <alex_> sorry...
[04:28] <nldk> mkdir /mnt/hda3
[04:28] <nldk> mount /dev/hda3 /mnt/hda3
[04:28] <phxguy> nldk: i ran the install file and then when it was done i typed acroread and it gave me an error
[04:28] <phxguy> bash: acroread: command not found
[04:28] <nldk> phxguy: where did you install it?
[04:29] <alex_> got it
[04:29] <phxguy> i used the default directory it gave me /usr/local/Adobe/Acrobat7.0
[04:30] <alex_> so i edited the hosts file but it says i dont have permissions
[04:30] <nldk> phxguy: cd to this directory and then bin
[04:30] <nldk> did you use sudo?
[04:30] <alex_> to save it?
[04:30] <phxguy> yes i had to so it could create the directory
[04:30] <nldk> sudo vi /mnt/hda3/etc/hosts
[04:30] <phxguy> ok im at /usr/......./bin
[04:31] <alex_> ah
[04:31] <nldk> phxguy: ls
[04:31] <RetroMan> has anyone here gotten zeroconf to work in kubuntu?
[04:31] <phxguy> there is one file in there acroread
[04:31] <nldk> phxguy: run ./acroread
[04:32] <alex_> i see 127.0.0.1 localhost in konsole, now how do i edit it?
[04:32] <nldk> alex_: you use vi?
[04:33] <phxguy> nldk: ok i did that and it worked that time
[04:33] <nldk> alex_: ??
[04:33] <alex_> ya
[04:33] <alex_> sorry
[04:33] <phxguy> i assume its not in my path? or something
[04:33] <alex_> i did vi
[04:34] <nldk> alex_: type i
[04:34] <nldk> phxguy: sudo rm /usr/bin/acroread
[04:34] <alex_> okay it works, thanks
[04:34] <alex_> now to save?
[04:35] <nldk> phxguy: sudo ln -s /usr/local/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/bin/acroread /usr/bin
[04:35] <phxguy> nldk: it says no such file or directory
[04:35] <nldk> alex_: press escape
[04:35] <nldk> alex_: then press :
[04:35] <nldk> alex_: (colon)
[04:36] <nldk> alex_: then write wq and enter
[04:36] <nldk> phxguy: type which acroread
[04:36] <phxguy> ok i created the link
[04:36] <alex_> thank you!
[04:36] <nldk> alex_: reboot!
[04:37] <alex_> yay!
[04:37] <phxguy> Ah Super!!! It all works now as it should. Thanks for all your help nldk 
[04:37] <nldk> alex_: remember to remove the cd
[04:37] <nldk> phxguy: yw
[04:37] <nldk> brb
[04:38] <alex_> k
[04:39] <nldk> back
[04:40] <alex_> k
[04:40] <alex_> its booting
[04:40] <alex_> but now it should work
[04:40] <alex_> thank you so much nldk!
[04:41] <nldk> does it work?
[04:41] <alex_> almost there....
[04:42] <alex_> oh no...
[04:43] <nldk> ?
[04:44] <alex_> doesnt.... work... :( :( :'(
[04:44] <alex_> i dont get it....
[04:44] <nldk> ping ubuntu
[04:45] <alex_> ping: unkown host ubuntu
[04:45] <nldk> hm
[04:45] <nldk> i'm lost then
[04:45] <alex_> sorry
[04:45] <nldk> me too
[04:45] <alex_> oh no, you where great
[04:46] <nldk> try cat /etc/hosts
[04:46] <alex_> 127.0.0.1 localhost
[04:46] <alex_> ubuntu
[04:47] <nldk> is ubuntu on the same line as 127.0.0.1 localhost?
[04:47] <alex_> no
[04:47] <nldk> ah...
[04:47] <alex_> is it supposed to?
[04:47] <nldk> yep
[04:47] <alex_> darn it!!!!
[04:47] <nldk> boot again with your live cd
[04:47] <nldk> and do the same stuff
[04:47] <alex_> okay
[04:47] <alex_> you dont need to stay, im keeping you a lot
[04:48] <nldk> do you remember what to do?
[04:48] <alex_> ya
[04:48] <alex_> and anyway its here
[04:48] <alex_> i can scroll up incase
[04:48] <nldk> ok - i'm going to warm up my wife
[04:48] <alex_> but i really appreciate your help
[04:48] <alex_> hahah
[04:48] <alex_> have fun
[04:48] <alex_> good night
[04:49] <nldk> you too and good luck
[04:49] <alex_> thanks
[05:03] <RetroMan> has anyone here gotten zeroconf to work in kubuntu?
[05:06] <alex_> yes my sudo works!!
[05:07] <alex_> thank you nldk! (even though you left)
[05:46] <cyber23> how do I install with kubuntu
[05:47] <cyber23> can't get any updates need help.... please
[05:48] <kakalto> what do you mean?
[05:48] <cyber23> I want to install my tuner card
[05:49] <cyber23> ati e-home wonder
[05:49] <kakalto> do you know what driver it requires?
[05:50] <cyber23> for windows xp yes, ubuntu no
[05:50] <cyber23> how do I find out
[05:55] <cyber23> how do I change my sources.list file
[05:55] <kakalto> have you seen www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[06:04] <PaloDeQueso> How do you get the kde file sharing thing working in kubuntu, I tried to configure my shares with the samba util but it didn't work :(
[06:05] <kakalto> uhh
[06:05] <kakalto> that reminds me
[06:05] <kakalto> I'm gonna see if my network is working properly
[06:09] <kakalto> nope :((
[06:32] <kakalto> PaloDeQueso, are you still around?
[06:32] <kakalto> do you still have a problem with samba?
[08:03] <ztonzy> amu, morning :)
[08:29] <Firetech> Goooood mooooorning Vietnaaam, and the rest of the world... (Not that I am in Vietnam or something...)
[08:29] <sirukin> shut up.
[08:30] <Firetech> That movie is pretty good.
[08:30] <Firetech> sirukin: whats wrong?
[08:31] <ztonzy> Firetech, hejsan :)
[08:32] <Firetech> hejhej
[08:33] <ztonzy> damnit, it rains now
[08:35] <Firetech> I think it does here too, I haven't got the courage to draw up my cutrains yet ;)
[08:44] <ztonzy> hehe
[08:44] <ztonzy> time for morning shower
[08:53] <ram_einstein> kubuntu is good?
[08:53] <ram_einstein> I use fedora but I recently installed ubuntu
[08:53] <ram_einstein> ... heard about kubuntu
[08:53] <ram_einstein> kde ubuntu
[08:55] <sirukin> haha
[09:04] <hussam> Should I get kde 3.4.1? will they be maintained like 3.4.0? 
[09:06] <kimo> guys, I am facing a really wierd problem! I can not run any scripts! gives me "permission denied!"
[09:08] <hussam> kimo: did you upgrade to kde 3.4.1?
[09:08] <kimo> hussam: no not yet
[09:13] <hussam> why is ubuntu's xmms built with gtk1.2 and not 2.6?
[09:14] <kimo> hussam: coz xmms is a gtk 1 only application. It cant use gtk 2
[09:15] <kimo> forget xmms, use juk, amarok, kaffiene, xmms is IMHO a thing of the past
[09:15] <hussam> kimo: dang
[09:16] <hussam> kimo: i only use kaffeine. it is the best
[09:17] <Firetech> hussam: beep-media-player is exactly like xmms, but it's using gtk2
[09:17] <hussam> kimo: but I want to install superkaramba which requires xmms
[09:17] <kimo> it's more of a video player. For music, juk is very good, or amarok (if it works)
[09:17] <Firetech> hussam: then install beep-media-player, it can use the "xmms --play" etc. shortcuts
[09:17] <kimo> ok do it
[09:18] <Firetech> and is fully compatible.
[09:18] <kimo> can anyone help with my problem "always getting permission denied" when running any script
[09:19] <Firetech> kimo: chmod +x [scriptname-here] 
[09:19] <Firetech> many scripts can be run with "sh [scriptname] " though
[09:19] <kimo> Firetech: I have chmod 777 script
[09:19] <Firetech> hmm
[09:20] <Firetech> do you have a #!/path/yo/parser line first in the file?
[09:20] <kimo> Firetech: yes
[09:20] <Firetech> e.g. #!/bin/sh for shellscripts
[09:20] <Firetech> then I don't know
[09:20] <Firetech> away.
[09:21] <hussam> Firetech: are you going to upgrade to kde 3.4.1?
[09:53] <carsten> Where do I find an explanation what those numbers mean: kdesktop 4:3.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary2 ? 3.4.1 is the KDE-version. but what does the 0 before "hoary" and the 2 after "hoary" mean?
[09:55] <carsten> brb
[10:31] <liz4rd> how do i change the root passwd
[10:35] <hussam> liz4rd: I think sudo passwd
[10:42] <_luke> what does this message mean? ::: Sound server fatal error:   AudioSubSystem::handleIO: write failed   len = -1, can_write = 4096, errno = 25 (Inappropriate ioctl for device)
[10:52] <killefiz> hmm - no 3.4.1 packages for ppc?
[11:32] <hussam> I'm downloading the debs for kde 3.4.1 now
[11:32] <hussam> They are however missing kdevelop 3.2.1
[11:32] <hussam> will it be packaged later?
[11:33] <Riddell> hussam: the package has been changed to kdevelop not kdevelop3
[11:34] <hussam> RiddellL: ok thank you. :)
[11:35] <hussam> Riddell: Thanks again for the kde 3.4.1 packages
[11:36] <Riddell> you're welcome
[11:36] <Riddell> you will need to remove kdevelop3 first, else they'll clash
[11:36] <killefiz> Riddell: is anyone working on ppc-debs or should I give it a go myself?
[11:37] <Riddell> killefiz: you would need to compile them yourself
[11:40] <mikl> eeh, If I wanted to create a tarball of /boot, /etc/ and /var/lib, how would I go about that?
[11:46] <mikl> Is there a new install-cd for the new version of kubuntu?
[11:48] <Riddell> mikl: see /topic
[11:49] <Riddell> oh, no that's just live CD
[11:49] <Riddell> sorry, you have to install with KDE 3.4.0 and upgrade
[11:49] <floater_> I want to wget a website and some links it has in it. I try 'wget -r -x -l4 http://etc..  but it just downloads the url and no sublinks,wodups?
[11:49] <mikl> ah, okay :)
[11:49] <shogouki> floater_: -r
[11:49] <shogouki> oups
[11:50] <floater_> yeah, it's strange
[11:50] <mikl> from the ---kde dept. <- you guys are crazy :)
[11:50] <floater_> shuoldn't that be alright ?
[11:50] <shogouki> can you give us the url ?
[11:51] <floater_> http://dsl.org/cookbook/cookbook_toc.html
[11:51] <mikl> It's just the announcement of kde 3.4.1 at the dot - http://dot.kde.org/1117548502/
[11:51] <floater_> it downloads a robots.txt with some text about disallowing... in it
[11:53] <floater_> shogouki were you able to download that website ?
[11:53] <floater_> and out of curiosity, what do you think, what should be the level for that website?
[11:53] <shogouki> User-agent: Wget
[11:53] <shogouki> Disallow: /
[11:54] <shogouki> change ua of wget
[11:54] <shogouki> wget -U
[11:54] <floater_> hmm
[11:55] <floater_> I added -U on my command and it didn't help
[11:56] <sege> is kubuntu it's own dist/release now or is it 'addon' to ubuntu hoary? 
[11:56] <floater_> I am using windows port of wget for now. Trying to get that website to my kubuntu machine that is not online atm
[11:56] <sege> i'm sitting in hoary now with KDE installed and i'd like to crank up my world to kubuntu-life, dont like gnome so...
[11:57] <floater_> you are basically using kubuntu then
[11:57] <floater_> I assume
[11:57] <sege> probably
[11:57] <floater_> ubuntu users can 'update' to kubuntu with apt-get install kde-desktop or smth
[11:57] <floater_> if I recall
[11:58] <sege> should i change to kubuntu repository or something? 
[11:58] <hussam> floater_: that's kubuntu-desktop
[11:58] <sege> or just live my life and add lines for kde 3.4.1 and be happy =)
[11:58] <floater_> I donno.. so shogouki can you tell me a bit more :X
[11:58] <floater_> how should I download that website with help of that -U
[11:59] <mikl> so, when I reinstall Hoary, I should just add the apt-repo in the topic and everything should be good?
[12:01] <shogouki> floater_: it doesnt work for me too :/
[12:02] <floater_> :i
[12:06] <brosio> what is gam_server ?
[12:09] <Riddell> brosio: monitors for file changes on disk so e.g. Konqueror gets updated if you change a file name elsewhere
[12:11] <killefiz> oh - is famd finally gone?
[12:12] <brosio> Riddell, thx
[12:13] <brosio> i'm trying to resize an ext3 partition
[12:24] <DavidQB-away> yeah ya gotta kill it, thats what I did to umount and resize a partition
[12:34] <mikkel> the install-CD hangs at the detecting hardware-part  - what can I do?
[12:34] <floater_> heh
[12:35] <floater_> I have no idea
[12:35] <hussam> mikkel: unplug any usb printers, etc...
[12:35] <floater_> but I know nothing
[12:35] <mikkel> hussam: I only have my mouse plugged in :/
[12:35] <floater_> I want to know how to download this website http://dsl.org/cookbook/cookbook_toc.html :((( 
[12:36] <Riddell> mikkel: try acpi=off at bootup
[12:36] <floater_> it gives some error for robot even with -U
[12:36] <mikkel> ohwell, now it works :)
[12:36] <Riddell> floater_: wget -r -l 1
[12:37] <floater_> I want to download many levels
[12:37] <Riddell> floater_: wget -r -l 5
[12:38] <floater_> it doesn't download like I said. It has a block for robots or something
[12:38] <floater_> was suggested to add -U to change the user-agent but it doesnt work
[12:38] <floater_> just downloads that 1st level
[12:39] <floater_> or can you download it Riddell ? can you send it to me
[12:41] <Riddell> sorry, busy
[12:44] <ztonzy> is amu awake ?
[12:57] <mikl> is there any other kubuntu-specific deb-sources I should add apart from the one in the topic?
[01:00] <floater_> Don't I get firefox installed automatically when I install kubuntu ?
[01:00] <floater_> on /usr/bin/
[01:01] <floater_> or do I have to apt-get it?
[01:01] <gideon> apt-get it/aptitude it/synaptic it
[01:01] <mikl> floater_: Why don't you check before you ask? It should be relatively easy to check :)
[01:01] <gideon> whatever you do, don't dselect it :)
[01:02] <floater_> mikl: the computer I have installed kubuntu is some 30meters from here and closed :P it doesn't have network on it either :X
[01:02] <floater_> and other question is that does it have a pdf-reader by default
[01:03] <floater_> and how should I download pdf-reader if not apt-get
[01:03] <mikl> floater_: it has KPDF :)
[01:03] <floater_> hmm ok
[01:03] <mikl> and apt-get is a good way to install software
[01:03] <floater_> yea but it's not online now
[01:04] <floater_> and I am going to burn a .pdf file that I want to read on it. Doesn't have x-window working atm either
[01:04] <mikl> in that case, things are difficult
[01:04] <floater_> so I wonder if I can run that kpdf from the console
[01:05] <Riddell> \sh: pyqt compiled
[01:07] <floater_> how would you search where kpdf is installed if it is ?
[01:07] <Riddell> floater_: which kpdf
[01:07] <floater_> well, let's ask this way. I can only go to console. I can't apt-get anything. I have to read a .pdf file
[01:08] <floater_> what shuold I do ? I have a fresh install of kubuntu on it
[01:08] <floater_> I can burn a cd with install binaries if necessary if I need something from internet though
[01:10] <\sh> Riddell: is it now in universe or will it stay in main?
[01:13] <floater_> I see that ubuntu has xpdf. In console I can't open that
[01:13] <\sh> floater_: as far as I know, there is no pdf reader for console
[01:14] <floater_> ok
[01:14] <Riddell> \sh: it's in universe
[01:14] <floater_> If I want to run firefox from console, how should I do it ?
[01:15] <floater_> I mean if I want to open it up without having x
[01:15] <Riddell> floater_: it's not installed with Kubuntu
[01:15] <floater_> is it possible or what
[01:15] <Riddell> floater_: try pdftotext
[01:16] <floater_> I don't know how these thigns work. Can I run firefox somehow if I am in console
[01:16] <floater_> I just tried on other machine with ubuntu it says gtk-warning
[01:16] <\sh> floater_: console == text , X == graphical enviroment ==> no X app runs on the console
[01:17] <floater_> okeyz 
[01:18] <floater_> just wondering. My friend has debian on his laptop, he does everything in terminal "full sized" and then he starts firefox etc.. well maybe he just uses a terminal and has x running
[01:18] <floater_> or something
[01:19] <floater_> so I have to fix my x ... when I try startx it says smth about not able to load module glide
[01:19] <\sh> floater_: because he has X running and has a xterm running
[01:21] <floater_> how do I remove glide from the module list ?
[01:43] <Riddell> \sh: recon python-kde will be ready to upload today?
[01:45] <xxenon> anyone knows how to fix that error in breezy : 
[01:45] <xxenon> xbase-clients postinst warning: /etc/X11/xkb/xkbcomp symbolic link points to wrong location /usr/bin/xkbcomp
[01:45] <Riddell> xxenon: try pointing it to /usr/bin/X11/xkbcomp
[01:45] <xxenon> lemme see
[01:47] <\sh> Riddell: this evening yes...i have to make a source upload
[01:48] <Riddell> \sh: oh, did you get upload status by the way?
[01:49] <\sh> Riddell: yepp
[01:49] <Riddell> \sh: woo, congratulations
[01:49] <\sh> thx
[01:49] <\sh> don't u read breezy-changes? ,-)
[01:49] <Riddell> I only filter it for 'kde'
[01:50] <\sh> last week i was approved and sunday elmo put the key in the ring :)
[01:52] <\sh> oh this was a sponsored upload for cxx-trans for ivoks (he's approved yesterday as motu ;))
[01:54] <xxenon> Riddell - well..my /usr/bin/X11/xkbcomp points to /etc/X11/xkb/xkbcomp
[01:57] <xxenon> xbase-clients postinst warning: /etc/X11/xkb/xkbcomp symbolic link points to wrong location /usr/bin/X11/xkbcomp
[02:00] <brdweb> has anybody tried the 3.4.1 KDE release yet? i see there's a repo in the channel, but is that an 'official' one for kubuntu?
[02:00] <Riddell> brdweb: it's official
[02:00] <brdweb> Riddell: thanks, well i guess i'll go ahead and grab it then :)
[02:13] <PaloDeQueso> How do you get the kde file sharing thing working in kubuntu, I tried to configure my shares with the samba util but it didn't work :(
[02:15] <hussam> Riddell: I just finished install kde 3.4.1 I rebooted and it's working great. I have one question. Say a security bug was found in kde 3.4.x . Will kde 3.4.1 users get the fix or just kde 3.4.0 users?
[02:16] <hussam> on kubuntu, I mean
[02:16] <Riddell> hussam: good point, I'll need to fix both
[02:17] <hussam> Riddell: ok thank you
[02:19] <PaloDeQueso> How do you get the kde file sharing thing working in kubuntu, I tried to configure my shares with the samba util but it didn't work :(
[02:24] <Riddell> PaloDeQueso: easiest way is to navigate the panel menu and add Public File Server applet
[02:24] <Riddell> but file sharing is not done right yet in KDE
[02:29] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> hi every body
[02:29] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> i have got a pb to updgrade to kde3.4.1 with hoary
[02:29] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> kynaptic can t locate the sources
[02:29] <PaloDeQueso> so how do most people do it as of now?
[02:29] <\sh> file-sharing?
[02:29] <PaloDeQueso> yea
[02:31] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> is there a special thing to do for the ppc version ?
[02:31] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> except to change to an i586 ^^
[02:31] <hussam> Riddell: something's wrong with kdevelop 3.2.1 It has no option to create a new project or anything
[02:37] <hussam> Riddell: is kdevelop 3.2.1 working for you?
[02:41] <Dull4o4> hello. i've lost my default "kubuntu-desktop"... i upgraded from 3.3 to 3.4... now i only have a default kde one...
[02:41] <Dull4o4> is there a way to get it back?
[02:48] <Dull4o4> ..
[02:51] <hussam> Riddell: I'll downgrade to kdevelop 3.2.0
[02:57] <floater_> hi wodup. I tried to reconfigure my x and changed 'glide' to 'mga'. First with glide it said 'failed to load module glide and now with mga it says 'mga_hal does not exists'. I have a matrox mga g200 agp videocard on pci bus1 device 0 function 0. When configuring I chose pci 1,0,0 I think
[03:28] <hussam> Riddell: I downgraded to kdevelop 3.2.0 and it works again
[03:29] <Riddell> hussam: hmm, guess I screwed up somewhere, I'll tka e alook at it soon, thanks for telling me
[03:33] <hussam> Riddell: but other than kdevelop, kde 3.4.1 is working perfectly. 
[03:34] <Riddell> phew :)
[03:35] <\sh> Riddell: i just played with your kmilo stuff yesterday, now I'm stucked with dcopref
[03:36] <\sh> Riddell: is there any possibility to say: dcopref -> choose the useralternative for (e.g.) a cd_player?
[03:36] <Riddell> it's not mine, I take no blame for it :)
[03:36] <Riddell> \sh: no, don't think that's possible
[03:36] <Riddell> \sh: does meda:/ open kscd when you insert an audio CD?
[03:37] <\sh> hmm..i never played audio cds with this laptop yet ;)
[03:37] <\sh> but I will try it at home ;)
[03:41] <\sh> Riddell: but this would be a nice goal to have those things implemented ;)
[03:41] <DarkraD-> nice
[03:41] <DarkraD-> talking from ubuntu ;)
[03:42] <DarkraD-> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
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[03:43] <DarkraD-> oops
[03:43] <DarkraD-> how to install a language pack? i have downloaded the language pack and support from repositiry with package manager from ubuntu
[03:43] <DarkraD-> what else? i should just restart?
[03:44] <DarkraD-> how to set the default language ubuntu should use?
[03:45] <_luke> hey anyone know how I can edit something graphically on a remote machine?
[03:45] <_luke> through ssh
[03:54] <mrmanic> argh
[03:54] <mrmanic> I had an answer to that one too
[03:54] <mrmanic> :\
[03:59] <douglas> how do you rip a disc into an iso with linux?
[04:50] <Firetech> What does KGX mean? The <title> on kubuntu.org says "Kubuntu - Pure KGX"
[04:50] <Riddell> Firetech: KDE GNU Unix
[04:51] <Firetech> You probably should add that to the FAQ
[04:52] <Firetech> Firetech Ased Questions ;)
[04:52] <Firetech> *Asked
[04:55] <Riddell> or come up with a better slogan
[05:43] <Firetech> Riddell: why not "A pure KDE OS"  or something more idiot friendly ;)
[05:44] <Firetech> Yes, I just called myself an idiot.
[05:45] <hussam> Firetech: pure KGX sounds more cool, lol
[05:45] <Firetech> Pure KLinux?
[05:45] <Firetech> nah, sounds too much like Kleenex or how they spell it.
[05:45] <kimo> guys, I am facing a strange problem! And I am not a newbie. Any script I try to execute, no matter sh/csh/perl , I get "permission denied, sh/csh/perl bad interpreter!". If I "perl ./script" it works. Any ideas?
[05:46] <Firetech> Pure K OS?
[05:46] <Firetech> whatever, stuff to do.
[05:48] <hussam> Firetech: or maybe, just pure k
[05:50] <Firetech> "Pure K", sounds cool. Another alternative (to reflect on ubuntu) is "Pure Human K"
[05:54] <hussam> Is it true that there will be a kde based web browser with gecko rendering engine?
[05:54] <buz> supposedly you can use gecko as engine for konqueror
[05:54] <buz> personally, i'd care more for a kde based browser that can deal with extensions
[05:55] <Riddell> there's some code, it doesn't work well currently
[05:55] <Riddell> buz: konqueror has extentions
[05:55] <buz> compatible with firefox?
[05:55] <hussam> Riddell: but this isn't implemented at the moment, right?
[05:56] <hussam> like not at least before kde 4.x
[05:56] <Riddell> hussam: nobody is working on it
[05:56] <Riddell> buz: no
[05:56] <buz> no point for me then
[05:57] <hussam> the gecko engine is good but firefox itself is not because of the xul interface.
[05:58] <buz> i like the xul stuff
[06:00] <`TUX``> xbase-clients error 
[06:00] <`TUX``> some trick?
[06:00] <hussam> buz: don't you think if it were just cpp , wouldn't it be faster? and it would still run on windows and mac, not just linux. Take for example xchat.
[06:00] <buz> well it would be faster
[06:00] <`TUX``> xbase-clients postinst warning: /etc/X11/xkb/xkbcomp symbolic link points to wrong location /usr/bin/xkbcomp
[06:00] <buz> but nowhere near as flexible
[06:00] <`TUX``> Riddell:  are you there?
[06:01] <buz> and surely much less nifty extensions
[06:01] <hussam> buz: yeah xul does make creating extensions easier.
[06:01] <`TUX``> hi 
[06:02] <`TUX``> sorry i have this error 
[06:02] <`TUX``> xbase-clients postinst warning: /etc/X11/xkb/xkbcomp symbolic link points to wrong location /usr/bin/xkbcomp
[06:03] <`TUX``> do you need more lines?
[06:04] <philipacamaniac> has anyone tested the 5.04.1 LiveCD? I'm downloading it now (finally) to test it myself.
[06:05] <RiCo0> hello
[06:07] <Riddell> TUX: I don't know sorry, I don't do X
[06:07] <Riddell> try asking in #ubuntu
[06:07] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: nope, my computer decided to crash last night so didn't download
[06:07] <`TUX``> ok  it broke all kde upgrade 
[06:07] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: are you planning to make a .deb of your Kubuntu menus?
[06:08] <philipacamaniac> I asked the backports folks to do it, but haven't gotten a good response. I'm not experienced with creating debs
[06:08] <`TUX``> i can't install no kontact no kdemultimedia no kdegraphics
[06:08] <philipacamaniac> I use checkinstall (horrors, I know) normally
[06:09] <philipacamaniac> I suppose I could look at the KubuntuPackage wiki... so, yes I'm planning on making a deb
[06:11] <Curalton> checkinstall horrors? works good enough for me
[06:12] <philipacamaniac> Ever tried redistributing those packages (which, btw, don't conform to deb standards)
[06:12] <thoreauputic> Curalton: Ok locally - not OK in terms of correct Debianised debs
[06:13] <Curalton> err, yeh. surely not for anything near official
[06:14] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: checkinstall?
[06:14] <philipacamaniac> Automagic package maker
[06:14] <philipacamaniac> for slackware, but now it makes debs
[06:16] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: Eventually, I'll have to decide between the 2 versions of my menu - I personally prefer the separate menu, but I suppose to conform to KDE, it should be in the Action Menu.
[06:17] <Riddell> yep
[06:17] <philipacamaniac> poo...  j/k
[06:17] <spiral> hmmm, the livecd on topic... what's new ?
[06:17] <Riddell> spiral: KDE 3.4.1
[06:17] <spiral> Riddell: ouah, nice :-)
[06:17] <spiral> ;-)
[06:19] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: do I need a man page or documentation bundled with such a small package?
[06:20] <\sh> Riddell: are u attending the backports meeting
[06:20] <hussam> why does firefox leak so much memory? I have only one window with one tab open on it's using more than 100MB ram
[06:20] <philipacamaniac> hussam: have you upgraded to the latest package?
[06:21] <hussam> I'm using 1.0.4 from mozilla.org
[06:21] <philipacamaniac> hmm
[06:21] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: nope, just copyright
[06:21] <Riddell> \sh: when is it?  is there an agenda?
[06:21] <\sh> Riddell: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuBackports
[06:21] <\sh> 1930utc
[06:22] <Riddell> hmm, I note Kubuntu is named there
[06:23] <philipacamaniac> hussam: did the official ubuntu packages have the same problem?
[06:24] <hussam> philipacamaniac: I never tried them. I either use binaries compiled by a friend of mine, or mozilla.org binaries.
[06:24] <\sh> yeah it was me
[06:26] <philipacamaniac> hussam: If you're using Kubuntu (which I must assume you are), really should try the official package version. It doesn't have any memory leaks on the many systems I've tried. On one system, however, all versions of Firefox caused a CPU leak.
[06:26] <Riddell> \sh:  :)
[06:27] <philipacamaniac> hussam: it turned out to be hardware on that one system
[06:27] <\sh> and I'm trying to do my taxes...so i need bloody windows xp running under qemu ;)
[06:27] <hussam> philipacamaniac: should I try then one from backports? is it better?
[06:28] <philipacamaniac> \sh: I was going to shudder, but had to stop since I'm using XP at the moment
[06:28] <hussam> What happens is that when I open and close a tab, the memory usage gradually gets higher.
[06:29] <philipacamaniac> hussam: you can try the backports package, but the official package in the ubuntu.com repo has been updated as well
[06:29] <\sh> philipacamaniac: i don't like it, but there is no "PC" linux solution...wine is not working, and the software for linux which is available is also only wine crap
[06:30] <philipacamaniac> \sh: I hate XP, but have to run it on my laptop for various reasons (which I won't bother going into)
[06:32] <philipacamaniac> 1930UTC, I think that's 12:30PM Arizona... (bloody time warp)
[06:32] <RiCo0> hussam where are you from ?
[06:34] <hussam> RiCo0: originally from Egypt. but I left there when I was a kid.
[06:34] <RiCo0> ohh i see
[06:53] <hussam> I have a kopete(msn) question. Some people added me to there contact list. I blocked them and removed them from my contact list.
[06:53] <hussam> now these people removed me from their list
[06:54] <hussam> but they are still on my blocked list
[06:54] <hussam> is there anyway to remove somebody from blocked list without adding him to allow list?
[06:57] <runelind> I'm trying to get my radeon mobility to work with kubuntu
[06:57] <runelind> currently it is non-accelerated
[06:57] <runelind> I tried this link http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=linux+radeon+mobility+7500&btnG=Search
[06:57] <runelind> erm
[06:57] <runelind> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-32015.html
[06:58] <runelind> but I wasn't sure how to get the dri drivers
[07:00] <hussam> brb
[07:00] <philipacamaniac> I can't seem to figure out the deb package system - I read through http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-debpkg.html, but it seems to apply to building from source. I have no source - it is a shell script and a .desktop file. Any helpful links would be appreciated.
[07:04] <runelind> I put dri in /etc/modules.conf
[07:05] <runelind> but I don't see anything about it in dmesg
[07:05] <Firetech> philipacamaniac:  what is it that you want to package (I don't know packaging, I'm just curious)
[07:08] <_Church_Of_Foamy> is there away to check the dependancys for a file you want to install?
[07:10] <philipacamaniac> Firetech: I'm trying to package my Kubuntu Package Menu - www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=23981
[07:10] <Firetech> I figured that out...
[07:10] <philipacamaniac> ahh
[07:11] <Firetech> I'm using it, but only v.1.0
[07:11] <Firetech> just figured out that it was yours :)
[07:11] <philipacamaniac> 1.3 has a security update, so you should consider upgrading
[07:12] <philipacamaniac> I would say "just install the deb" but, damn
[07:13] <Firetech> I have installed it now.
[07:13] <Firetech> actually, I'm using those menus pretty little, I'm a console junkie...
[07:14] <philipacamaniac> I am too, but is sure is useful for noobs
[07:14] <Firetech> yeah
[07:14] <Firetech> I installed it when I helped a friend to install kubuntu :)
[07:14] <philipacamaniac> cool
[07:15] <runelind> so no thoughts on getting the radeon mobility to work eh?
[07:16] <philipacamaniac> runelind: I have a radeon 9700 pro with 3D accell working, but that doesn't help you
[07:16] <runelind> :P
[07:16] <Firetech> runelind: have you installed the "xorg-driver-fglrx" package?
[07:17] <Firetech> and changed from ati to fglrx in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[07:17] <zAo^> how can I brun MP3 with K3B ?
[07:17] <runelind> I have the package, let me try changing my xorg.conf
[07:18] <Firetech> runelind: only change the "Driver" line under "Device"
[07:18] <runelind> ok, I can undo all the other changes I tried earlier
[07:18] <Firetech> Driver[tab] "ati" -> Driver[tab] "fglrx"
[07:19] <runelind> yep
[07:19] <Firetech> then logout and press ctrl+alt+backspace
[07:19] <runelind> testing now
[07:19] <Curalton> zAo^: select file -> new project -> audio CD
[07:20] <Firetech> philipacamaniac: I raised your menu's ranking with 1% :D
[07:20] <zAo^> Curalton: I know, but I get a MP3 codec-error
[07:21] <philipacamaniac> Firetech: woot!
[07:21] <Firetech> atleast it got raised when I clicked on "good" once
[07:22] <philipacamaniac> They have a strange voting system on kde-look / kde-apps
[07:22] <Curalton> zAo^: works here, sure its a normal MP3 file and not something fancy?
[07:24] <Firetech> runelind: any progress?
[07:25] <Firetech> you can test if you get acelleratet by running glxgears from konsole
[07:25] <linuxrules> hi guys !
[07:28] <runelind> Firetech: x wouldn't start :(
[07:28] <Firetech> runelind: 2 sec
[07:28] <runelind> I can paste my xorg.conf file
[07:30] <Firetech> runelind: try running "sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`"
[07:30] <runelind> ok I will try that
[07:30] <runelind> in the meantime, here is my xorg.conf file http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/kArac040.html
[07:30] <zAo^> Curalton: ok. No, its just 192k/s mp3
[07:31] <runelind> says it is already the newest version
[07:31] <Curalton> zAo^: sorry, no idea then :S - maybe see if the #k3b guys know if they can make something from the debug output
[07:32] <Firetech> hmm
[07:32] <runelind> it is a 16 meg radeon mobility in my dell inspiron laptop
[07:32] <zAo^> k thnx
[07:34] <Firetech> runelind: what do you get if you run "lsmod | grep fglrx
[07:34] <Firetech> no quote there
[07:34] <runelind> nothin
[07:35] <runelind> let me double check that everything is installe..
[07:35] <runelind> d
[07:35] <Firetech> then do "sudo modprobe fglrx" and try restarting x with fglrx... read this too: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&highlight=fglrx
[07:35] <Firetech> I have stuff to do, and besides, I'm using an nVidia card...
[07:36] <runelind> says no such device when I did modprobe..
[07:36] <Firetech> I have installed fglrx for a friend though.
[07:36] <Firetech> read the link I gave you
[07:36] <runelind> k, thanks
[07:38] <Firetech> I have to compress a paper about how the radio affected the "childhood" of Swedish democracy (which I wrote, 6 pages.) into a one page popular science article...
[07:39] <runelind> heh, I'm from .se
[07:39] <Firetech> you too?
[07:39] <runelind> I live in the US now, but I grew up outside of Vasteras
[07:39] <Firetech> I'm from outside Lund.
[07:39] <runelind> ah, cool :)
[07:39] <Firetech> Do you want to read it?
[07:40] <runelind> sure, send me the link
[07:40] <Firetech> it's in Swedish...
[07:40] <runelind> I think I can manage ;)
[07:40] <Firetech> :P
[07:42] <Firetech> runelind:  priv
[07:44] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: In a binary package (with no source), I put control file, copyright, etc. etc. into /DEBIAN, is that correct?
[07:45] <philipacamaniac> as opposed to /debian
[07:45] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: all packages have source
[07:46] <philipacamaniac> then I'm confused
[07:48] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: So I can consider my tar.gz the source
[07:48] <philipacamaniac> dpkg is a beast
[07:49] <Riddell> it all makes sense once you get the hang of it
[07:49] <philipacamaniac> hope so
[07:49] <\sh> info make ;)
[07:49] <\sh> first step to the debian magic ;)
[07:49] <Riddell> you need a debian directory in the sources, control and rules etc  then run debuild to make the package
[07:50] <philipacamaniac> ok
[07:50] <Shuddertrix> I'm having problems with the livecd, is that what the topic is for?
[07:51] <Firetech> Shuddertrix: not really...
[07:51] <Mez> oooh :D
[07:51] <Mez> kde 3.4.1
[07:51] <Mez>  :D
[07:51] <Firetech> the live cd in the topic is for kde 3.4.1
[07:52] <Shuddertrix> oh
[07:52] <Shuddertrix> well, i've burned the regular livecd 3 times now, and it keeps failing on loading ethdetect
[07:52] <Mez> erm
[07:52] <Mez> should i use the kubuntu miropr or the mirrored files from kde org that say they;re for kubuntu
[07:53] <philipacamaniac> kubuntu.org will be faster
[07:53] <Mez> really?
[07:53] <Mez> I'm usaing mirror.ac.uk and I've got them all already
[07:53] <Shuddertrix> kubuntu.org was able to max out my connection
[07:54] <Mez> mirror.ac.uk always works well for me :D
[07:54] <Shuddertrix> i've only seen a few servers do that
[07:54] <Mez> but... *shrugs*
[07:54] <Mez> er.... so it's safe to use the kde.org ones then
[07:54] <Shuddertrix> yeah
[07:54] <Mez> good :D
[07:54] <Mez> just cheking
[07:54] <Mez> grr
[07:54] <philipacamaniac> Yes, the same maintainer built them both
[07:54] <Mez> It's trying to update wine aswell
[07:54] <Shuddertrix> hey, that directory has one with koffice. click.
[07:54] <Mez> which is taking ages :D
[07:55] <Shuddertrix> i'm almost ready to try burning it to a dvd-r or some other media to get the livecd working
[07:56] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: my brain is now about as useful as fried glue, so I'll continue this deb package adventure tomorrow. If you were looking at putting it into Breezy, it is GPL, so have at it.
[07:57] <philipacamaniac> Shuddertrix: have you tried redownloading the iso?
[07:57] <Shuddertrix> philipacamaniac: twice
[07:57] <Shuddertrix> same md5sum as the MD5SUMS file, also, on both downloads
[07:58] <philipacamaniac> have you tried another computer?
[07:58] <insanekane> \sh: btw, pykde doesn't work ... sip complains about versions
[07:58] <Shuddertrix> no
[07:58] <Shuddertrix> let me check
[07:59] <\sh> insanekane: ?? 
[07:59] <\sh> insanekane: can u send me the errors?
[08:00] <insanekane> \sh: actually, even the errors are wierd: i get a string, in which I can see the placeholders like "hello %s" ...
[08:00] <insanekane> \sh: it was a runtime exception
[08:01] <Shuddertrix> does the kubuntu livecd load up k-meleon in Windows?
[08:01] <Shuddertrix> My other box (running XP) is complaining that k-meleon.exe is trying to start
[08:01] <\sh> hmm
[08:02] <Shuddertrix> ,, i guess it does ..
[08:02] <insanekane> \sh: anyway, thankfully, i had a set of precompiled sources, and i did an evil thing: i deployed directly from sources than using .deb :/
[08:02] <\sh> insanekane: should we try and use python-qt3 3.14.1?
[08:02] <insanekane> \sh: yes ... the sources i use is python-qt3 3.14.1
[08:03] <philipacamaniac> okay I'm finally testing the 5.04.1 livecd
[08:03] <insanekane> along with the pykde snapshot and spi4.2
[08:03] <insanekane> err ..
[08:03] <insanekane> sip
[08:03] <\sh> insanekane: well...python-qt3 in hoary has some pitfalls...
[08:03] <\sh> yes
[08:04] <Shuddertrix> i hope it gets the right refresh rate for the monitor
[08:04] <insanekane> \sh: oh ?
[08:04] <Mez> so when will kde 3.4.1 be updated in main ?
[08:04] <insanekane> \sh: is there some problem in the packaging ?
[08:04] <philipacamaniac> Mez: Breezy
[08:04] <Shuddertrix> it's some weird sony monitor, runs at some weird refresh rate that I can't remember (60hz looks horrible on it, but it runs..)
[08:04] <\sh> insanekane: no..3.13.x is the problem
[08:04] <Mez> lmao typical
[08:05] <insanekane> \sh: actually, i will look into the packaging aspect ... will going through the packaging of pyqt etc, help me to make packages for my own libraries/applications ?
[08:05] <Mez> arent the MOTU going to update it at least?
[08:05] <philipacamaniac> No, much of KDE is in main, not universe. You can find semi-official updated packages (see topic).
[08:06] <seek205> Do I just put the kde 341 source in my list and then do a apt-get upgrade?
[08:06] <Mez> yeah philipacamaniac I'm already updating ;)
[08:06] <Mez> seek
[08:06] <Shuddertrix> seek205: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade kde <- that worked for me
[08:06] <Mez> sudo apt-get update
[08:06] <Mez> then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:07] <seek205> ah ok
[08:07] <Mez> that worked for me
[08:07] <seek205> heh
[08:07] <Mez> well, is working
[08:07] <\sh> insanekane: it will take a while, until i backported the python-qt3 package..it's already 3.14.1 in breety
[08:07] <\sh> -t+z
[08:07] <seek205> ok thanks alot
[08:08] <insanekane> \sh: ok, how are u doing the backport ? is there any source code changes involved ? or only in the debian/ directory of the package ?
[08:08] <insanekane> \sh: because i want to try to bug fix the package
[08:08] <Mez> hmm
[08:08] <Mez> eird
[08:09] <Mez> I got half way thought upgrading KDE and this happened
[08:09] <Mez> oh wait
[08:09] <Mez> it just errored out
[08:09] <Mez> now I can only get this
[08:09] <Mez> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:09] <Mez>   kdebase: Depends: kdebase-bin (>= 4:3.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary1) but 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu18 is installed
[08:10] <insanekane> \sh: i will download the .tar.gz, .dsc and diff.gz from breezy repository and try to backport
[08:11] <Mez> Unpacking replacement kdebase-bin ...
[08:11] <Mez> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-bin_4%3a3.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[08:11] <Mez>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde3/kgreet_winbind.la', which is also in package kdm
[08:11] <Mez> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[08:11] <Mez> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:11] <Mez>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-bin_4%3a3.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary1_i386.deb
[08:11] <Mez> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:11] <Shuddertrix> Same exact problem, philipacamaniac 
[08:11] <Shuddertrix> Stops at Retriving ethdetect
[08:11] <insanekane> Mez: maybe bug in the kde packages ... like python-kde
[08:11] <\sh> insanekane: yeah...u have to take a closer look to the qt versions used in the depends and build-depends
[08:12] <Shuddertrix> says Failure to load from CDROM
[08:12] <Mez> should i uninstall kdm? then try again ?
[08:12] <philipacamaniac> Mez: I didn't have problems on two computers I tried, but I did sudo apt-get upgrade then dist-upgrade
[08:12] <insanekane> \sh: ok i will try it and report later (when im less stoned) ;)
[08:13] <Shuddertrix> The other computer took an amazingly long time to load the modules, too
[08:14] <philipacamaniac> Shuddertrix: is that the new LiveCD with 3.4.1?
[08:14] <Shuddertrix> philipacamaniac: No, the standard one
[08:14] <Mez> ah fekc I'm screwed?
[08:14] <Shuddertrix> Right now i'm downloading 5.04.1+koffice one
[08:14] <Shuddertrix> the
[08:14] <Mez> any ideas what to do
[08:15] <Shuddertrix> Mez: What about a sudo apt-get upgrade kde ?
[08:15] <insanekane> Mez: dpkg -i --force-overwrite
[08:15] <uniq> mez: remove kdm first, and try again.
[08:16] <Mez> I cant remove kdm
[08:16] <uniq> why? 
[08:16] <Mez> mez@apathy:~$ sudo apt-get remove kdm
[08:16] <Mez> Reading package lists... Done
[08:16] <Mez> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:16] <Mez> You might want to run apt-get -f install to correct these:
[08:16] <Mez> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:16] <Mez>   kdebase: Depends: kdebase-bin (>= 4:3.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary1) but 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu18 is to be installed
[08:16] <Mez> E: Unmet dependencies. Try apt-get -f install with no packages (or specify a solution).
[08:16] <Shuddertrix> hey, it's done downloading already
[08:16] <Mez> mez@apathy:~$                                                                                                 
[08:16] <Mez> thats why
[08:16] <philipacamaniac> amu: 5.04.1 Live CD is working (on vmware hardware). Are the 2 icons on the desktop usually there in the LiveCD? That's different from standard Kubuntu.
[08:17] <philipacamaniac> Shuddertrix: Run an MD5 check on that one!
[08:19] <Mez> ok I think i got it working
[08:19] <philipacamaniac> What was the problem?
[08:20] <Shuddertrix> philipacamaniac: c6deb1dc78a351dc3869e9be2c094f7a vs. c6deb1dc78a351dc3869e9be2c094f7a , looks fine here
[08:20] <Shuddertrix> (second one is what i downloaded)
[08:20] <philipacamaniac> Shuddertrix: wow fast connection
[08:21] <Shuddertrix> philipacamaniac: 520KBytes/sec Average from kubuntu.org
[08:21] <Shuddertrix> that's my cap
[08:21] <Shuddertrix> took just under 20 minutes, which to me, is acceptable
[08:21] <SpookyET> Is anybody running suse 9.3 ?
[08:22] <Shuddertrix> SpookyET: This is #kubuntu, not #suse (not sure if they have a channel or not?)
[08:22] <SpookyET> wrong window
[08:23] <Shuddertrix> philipacamaniac: You think I should use a blank DVD-R or a erased CD-RW (my only format options)
[08:23] <SpookyET> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-backports-staging/main gnome-btdownload 0.0.20-1~5.04ubp1
[08:23] <SpookyET>   401 Authorization Required
[08:23] <philipacamaniac> try a blank DVD-R
[08:23] <Shuddertrix> SpookyET: You have to use backports mirrors now, see the forums
[08:23] <Shuddertrix> philipacamaniac: Ok.
[08:24] <Shuddertrix> I have 2 left, if this doesn't work I'm going to cry
[08:24] <Shuddertrix> agh no, i have 1 left!
[08:24] <philipacamaniac> ?
[08:24] <Shuddertrix> Why do they put the black plastic discs at the bottoms and top of CD spindles?
[08:24] <Shuddertrix> blank, i mean
[08:25] <philipacamaniac> That's a real good question... Do you have vmware or qemu?
[08:25] <Shuddertrix> I have vmware
[08:25] <philipacamaniac> Try the iso in vmware
[08:25] <Shuddertrix> Already starting to boot.
[08:27] <Shuddertrix> Wow, it boots a lot faster then a disc (obvious)
[08:27] <Shuddertrix> It got past it
[08:27] <SpookyET> Shuddertrix: were you able to get any of the mirrors listed for kde341 to work?
[08:27] <Shuddertrix> Detecting network hardware
[08:27] <Shuddertrix> SpookyET: I used the one in the topic, works like a charm
[08:28] <Shuddertrix> preparing session, yip! Although, philipacamaniac , what if it doesn't burn right?
[08:28] <Shuddertrix> I should probably verify the data, i haven't been doing that..
[08:28] <philipacamaniac> I never do, but yeah, do that.
[08:28] <philipacamaniac> May have a burner issue  :(
[08:29] <Shuddertrix> I hope not :(
[08:29] <Shuddertrix> It burns and reads really well
[08:29] <Shuddertrix> I just hope it's the CD-RW
[08:29] <Mez> ok
[08:29] <Shuddertrix> Boots into Kubuntu perfectly.
[08:29] <Mez> i think i have it working
[08:29] <Mez> Configuration file `/etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc'
[08:29] <Mez>  ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation.
[08:29] <Mez>  ==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version.
[08:29] <Mez>    What would you like to do about it ?  Your options are:
[08:29] <Mez>     Y or I  : install the package maintainer's version
[08:29] <Mez>     N or O  : keep your currently-installed version
[08:29] <Mez>       D     : show the differences between the versions
[08:29] <Mez>       Z     : background this process to examine the situation
[08:29] <Mez>  The default action is to keep your current version.
[08:29] <Mez> *** kdmrc (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N]  ?                                           
[08:29] <philipacamaniac> Shuddertrix: awesome
[08:29] <Mez> what do i do there
[08:29] <philipacamaniac> Mez: Y
[08:30] <Mez> because I want to know what to do (sorry couldnt reisist hte joke)
[08:30] <toran> does anyone have experience getting kmuddy [ http://kmuddy.net ]  running on kubuntu?
[08:30] <philipacamaniac> That is normal, I got it too
[08:30] <Shuddertrix> koffice works too, if anyone was wondering about the 5.04.1+koffice iso
[08:30] <philipacamaniac> Where is that iso, btw?
[08:30] <Mez> rebooting X
[08:31] <Mez> cause it's still reporting as kde 3.4.0
[08:31] <SpookyET> how do you stop apt-get i'm getting a billion 404s. it's never stopping
[08:31] <Shuddertrix> http://www.kubuntu.org/~amu/kubuntu-5.04.1+koffice-i386-live.iso
[08:31] <Shuddertrix> or just browse the directory, too
[08:31] <thoreauputic> SpookyET: try ctrl+c
[08:32] <mez> yay
[08:32] <mez> 3.4.1
[08:32] <Shuddertrix> konqueror and akregrator both work fine too
[08:32] <philipacamaniac> tastes good, eh?
[08:32] <mez> why does kMix load in a window everytime I log in
[08:32] <Shuddertrix> so the network isn't screwed up as an effect or anything
[08:32] <philipacamaniac> Shuddertrix: does that version not have openoffice?
[08:32] <Shuddertrix> philipacamaniac: No openoffice, but I perfer koffice for some reason
[08:33] <philipacamaniac> I want to prefer koffice...
[08:33] <Shuddertrix> It's all KDE applications. :D
[08:33] <SpookyET> what's the command to update kde to 3.4.1?
[08:33] <Shuddertrix> SpookyET: I used sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade kde to get mine to upgrade
[08:34] <mez> dont ask me 
[08:34] <mez> I cocked my upgrade up :d
[08:34] <mez> fixed it now though
[08:34] <mez> had to get out my kubuntu CD though
[08:34] <hrqhvs> hi, i have a rather simple question: how do i install kget?
[08:35] <Shuddertrix> vmware has about 26mb of free/buffered memory, neat
[08:35] <SpookyET> weird
[08:35] <SpookyET> i tried to do 
[08:35] <Shuddertrix> have never seen kde take up about 128mb of memory before, it's always been about 200mb
[08:35] <SpookyET> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and i get 
[08:35] <SpookyET> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:35] <SpookyET>   ubuntu-desktop: Depends: mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[08:35] <SpookyET> i got firefox installed
[08:36] <philipacamaniac> Shuddertrix: I'm a Windows network administrator at a school, and I use OOo on lab computers, and MSO on staff computers. I can't feasibly use KOffice without at least having OOo installed.
[08:36] <mez> hrqhvs, sudo apt-get install kget
[08:36] <Shuddertrix> philipacamaniac: Yeah, i don't like OOo because it never works right on my other computer
[08:36] <Shuddertrix> It's too slow for it, koffice is just right
[08:37] <Shuddertrix> MSO is just right, also..
[08:37] <philipacamaniac> Boy, I was sure mentioning my Windows-related occupation would have been flamebait here :)
[08:37] <Curalton> hah
[08:37] <SpookyET> neah
[08:37] <Shuddertrix> lol
[08:37] <SpookyET> this is not #debian
[08:37] <StR> philipacamaniac: koffice works without OOo.. yes?  can I replace OOo with koffice.. no... 
[08:37] <SpookyET> #debian is where the animals on irc are
[08:38] <StR> SpookyET: LOL
[08:38] <philipacamaniac> StR: yes, but you can't very well open and save Microsoft format files
[08:38] <hrqhvs> mez, says the package not found
[08:38] <SpookyET> koffice isn't good enough
[08:38] <Shuddertrix> Microsoft format files scare me.
[08:38] <SpookyET> Shuddertrix: doc is the standard
[08:39] <mez> hrqhvs, hmm one sec
[08:39] <StR> philipacamaniac: open MSoffice with koffice?  no...  
[08:39] <StR> BRB
[08:40] <Shuddertrix> Standards scare me.
[08:40] <mez> hrqhvs, read http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#repositories and do that
[08:40] <SpookyET> i remember in suse, in KControl, I had a monitor with arrows to move the image left, up, down, right.  I don't see that in kubuntu.  It's weird, on windows the image is centred. in kubuntu, it is half of a cm to the right. same res, refresh rate
[08:40] <mez> te extra repositories,
[08:40] <philipacamaniac> I REALLY hope OpenDocument takes off, because I'm tired of everyone (myself included) being so dependant on ms formats
[08:40] <mez> then run the command i told you above
[08:40] <philipacamaniac> Shuddertrix:  LOL
[08:41] <hrqhvs> mez, thanks
[08:41] <mez> np
[08:41] <SpookyET> i'm tired of having to mess with the monitor controls each time i boot each os
[08:42] <StR> so.. what whas it?
[08:42] <philipacamaniac> KOffice is not dependant on OOo
[08:42] <Firetech> hummzie... the system stuck...
[08:42] <SpookyET> KOffice users are dependent on OO
[08:43] <StR> philipacamaniac: koffice is not dependant on OOo.. right
[08:43] <StR> SpookyET: koffice users are dependent on OOo? wrong
[08:43] <philipacamaniac> SpookyET: I'll give you that
[08:43] <Firetech> my syslog said something about my CD, which I wasn't using...
[08:43] <StR> philipacamaniac: can you see all MSoffice files with koffice? wrong
[08:43] <Shuddertrix> I don't read ms type files..
[08:44] <StR> Firetech: maybe "insert CD"?
[08:44] <Shuddertrix> If it's sent from someone in the workplace, I tell them to stop using crossover office+ms office to send me files.. ><
[08:44] <Firetech> StR: no
[08:44] <SpookyET> gnumerics is a good alternative to excell
[08:45] <Firetech> could  not send command or something like that...
[08:45] <Firetech> and I had 8 days of uptime :(
[08:45] <philipacamaniac> Shuddertrix: your workplace uses Linux?
[08:46] <StR> Firetech: you? or your pc?
[08:46] <Firetech> my pc
[08:46] <Shuddertrix> philipacamaniac: Yup. We've made the switch this school year (it's a school, i call it a workplace) to 90% linux, 10% mac (for compatibility reasons
[08:46] <hrqhvs> mez, that worked - thanks
[08:46] <Shuddertrix> I did all the installing.
[08:46] <mez> no problem
[08:46] <philipacamaniac> Shuddertrix: where, if I may ask? I'm wanting to do the same thing at my workplace (also a school)
[08:46] <mez> I know it worked :D without you telling me :d
[08:46] <mez> hehe
[08:46] <SpookyET> i've seen macs at my uni
[08:46] <SpookyET> probably 99% winblows
[08:47] <SpookyET> 1% mac
[08:47] <Shuddertrix> We're in a small town..
[08:47] <Shuddertrix> in Ohio.
[08:47] <SpookyET> that explains it
[08:47] <nmorse> The uni I'm going to in the fall keeps Sun boxes
[08:47] <Firetech> StR: "Jun  1 20:28:02 localhost kernel: hdc: ATAPI reset timed-out, status=0x80"
[08:47] <philipacamaniac> Oh man, they have a way better Dept of Ed than Arizona
[08:47] <Firetech> the next line after that one is reboot
[08:47] <Shuddertrix> We have a big technology budget that we are spending on new server hardware, so we switched to linux instead of windows server 2003 (servers) and XP (workstations)
[08:47] <SpookyET> atlanta is like 45 out of 50
[08:48] <philipacamaniac> Shuddertrix: So your admin staff is using Linux?
[08:48] <Shuddertrix> Saved us money, and it's eaiser for me to manage
[08:48] <SpookyET> Shuddertrix, how much have you saved?
[08:48] <philipacamaniac> no kidding, on the manage part
[08:48] <Shuddertrix> SpookyET: We can afford 4 new Opteron servers instead of 3. Which will help the aging dual pIII's a lot
[08:49] <Shuddertrix> philipacamaniac: Get this, i only handled 2 more calls per day this past year also
[08:49] <SpookyET> i'm in package hell
[08:49] <Shuddertrix> That's only 7 calls in one day. It's awesome.
[08:49] <SpookyET> kde upgrade refuses to install. ubuntu refuses to install
[08:49] <Shuddertrix> I was expecting like 20 calls/day
[08:49] <philipacamaniac> You've inspired me with a newfound ambition to go through with a migration
[08:50] <Shuddertrix> philipacamaniac: The thing is, all the teachers got 1 month of training with Linux
[08:50] <philipacamaniac> I can do that with my eyes closed
[08:50] <Shuddertrix> And the students learn linux in the school-wide linux class now, once a week for 2 periods of the day, taught by me
[08:51] <Shuddertrix> I get to do that again in 4 years. Heh.
[08:51] <SpookyET> high school?
[08:51] <Shuddertrix> SpookyET: K-12
[08:51] <SpookyET> k-12 is also high school
[08:51] <philipacamaniac> Stop Stop!  You're making me jealous. I'm still stuck in Windows muck.
[08:51] <Shuddertrix> SpookyET: Exactly.
[08:52] <Shuddertrix> It's all 13 grades in one school
[08:52] <philipacamaniac> Charter?
[08:52] <Shuddertrix> Small classes
[08:52] <Shuddertrix> Public
[08:52] <Shuddertrix> It's a small town.
[08:52] <philipacamaniac> Public Charter?
[08:52] <philipacamaniac> OH
[08:52] <Shuddertrix> Very, very small
[08:52] <Shuddertrix> One school.
[08:52] <SpookyET> pop?
[08:52] <Shuddertrix> Lots of country kids, you get the district
[08:53] <StR> Small Classes - public:       class Small { public static void Main(){} }
[08:53] <Choubaka> -_- 
[08:54] <philipacamaniac> We've got 4 aging PIII servers, some useless IP/TV equipment, and lots of brand new Dells (with XP installed).
[08:54] <Shuddertrix> ouch
[08:54] <nmorse> The only *nix box in the local high school here is an aging FreeBSD mail server
[08:54] <SpookyET> i have to crawl 32 km at 8 km/h to get to school with a trillion other cars
[08:54] <philipacamaniac> However, I have all students using OOo and Firefox
[08:54] <Shuddertrix> we have 5 aging PIII servers and one VERY FAST opteron server.
[08:54] <StR> philipacamaniac: OOo? or OOo2?
[08:55] <Shuddertrix> buying 2 servers this year.
[08:55] <philipacamaniac> OOo1.1.4 
[08:55] <nmorse> By aging I mean Pentium (without a number)
[08:55] <philipacamaniac> 2 is still in beta
[08:55] <Shuddertrix> then next year, i'm hiring a group to move the site over to PHP code and upgrade the opteron servers
[08:55] <Shuddertrix> life is good.
[08:55] <StR> Shuddertrix: in what is it coded now?
[08:56] <SpookyET> no mono and asp.net for you?
[08:56] <Shuddertrix> StR: Some ASP stuff that I can't handle using anymore. Clunky, slow, maybe the Opteron will help a bit with the slow issue however
[08:56] <philipacamaniac> I already recoded most of our site, in preparation.
[08:56] <Shuddertrix> It's a jumbled mess thrown together from the last adminstrator
[08:56] <SpookyET> i assume that by asp you mean asp 3.0
[08:56] <Shuddertrix> yeah
[08:57] <Shuddertrix> maybe mono/asp.net, we'll have to see
[08:57] <SpookyET> you might like Boo
[08:57] <SpookyET> i wish vmware was like xen
[08:58] <philipacamaniac> PHP all the way
[08:58] <SpookyET> upgraded kde
[08:58] <SpookyET> got to restart
[08:58] <Shuddertrix> Oh, and this year we might be taking one of the computer labs and setting it up as a f@h room when no one is using them
[08:59] <nmorse> you are lucky, shuddertrix
[08:59] <philipacamaniac> I made one of ours a s@h room, but it kept tripping circuit breakers
[08:59] <nmorse> SETI makes a great server burn test though
[08:59] <Shuddertrix> There is a giant electric overhaul at the school right now, i can't do anything for awhile
[09:00] <Goshawk> hi to all
[09:00] <Shuddertrix> Whatever the RMA is, k3b is updating it..
[09:01] <Goshawk> i'm trying to save a stream with kaffeine but when i press R (save stream) kaffeine crashes. Does it do the same on your system?
[09:01] <Shuddertrix> It took 1 minute to burn, i'm serious
[09:01] <Shuddertrix> DVD4.31x speed
[09:01] <nmorse> Upgrade kaffeine, Goshawk
[09:01] <Shuddertrix> That scared me
[09:01] <Firetech> you guys are making me jealous too... The sysadmin on my school (equivalent to upper secondary) thinks that Linux is bad language (swearing, that is..)
[09:01] <Shuddertrix> it ejected the disc and reloaded it.. 3 times
[09:01] <Goshawk> nmorse: i come from ubuntu, should i add another line to my etc/apt/sources.list
[09:01] <Goshawk> ?
[09:02] <nmorse> add this line to your repos list in Synaptic (or your /etc/apt/sources.list): deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main
[09:02] <nmorse> the do 'apt-get update; apt-get upgrade (or dist-upgrade if you prefer)
[09:02] <SpookyET> back
[09:02] <Goshawk> nmorse: ok thanks
[09:03] <Firetech> Shuddertrix: what is f@h?
[09:03] <Shuddertrix> Firetech: folding@home
[09:03] <_Church_Of_Foamy> how many of you guys dual boot with xp?
[09:03] <SpookyET> i need help with apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:03] <Goshawk> _Church_Of_Foamy: me
[09:03] <_Church_Of_Foamy> is it stable?
[09:03] <Firetech> ah, came to think about that half a second before you answered...
[09:03] <philipacamaniac> Shuddertrix: did you document the migration?
[09:03] <nmorse> I dual-booted with XP until SP2 killed it
[09:03] <Goshawk> _Church_Of_Foamy: sure
[09:03] <philipacamaniac> _Church: yes
[09:03] <Shuddertrix> philipacamaniac: No, sadly
[09:03] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i hate having to use xp because i have found linux to be so much beter
[09:03] <SpookyET> ubuntu-desktop:
[09:03] <SpookyET>  Depends: mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[09:03] <nmorse> XP is the devil
[09:03] <_Church_Of_Foamy> but it can't run my game :(
[09:04] <nmorse> What game?
[09:04] <_Church_Of_Foamy> ragnarok
[09:04] <nmorse> Hmmm.
[09:04] <_Church_Of_Foamy> it starts to load the map then it crashes
[09:04] <_Church_Of_Foamy> and i can't seem to fix it no matter what i do
[09:04] <nmorse> You running it in dx9wine?
[09:04] <_Church_Of_Foamy> it's the only reason i could possibly need xp
[09:04] <_Church_Of_Foamy> yes
[09:05] <Shuddertrix> Just pretty much.. switched
[09:05] <nmorse> The one from linux-gamers.net?
[09:05] <_Church_Of_Foamy> same here
[09:05] <Firetech> _Church_Of_Foamy: cedega?
[09:05] <_Church_Of_Foamy> it will run it but not connect to the internet
[09:05] <Shuddertrix> I kept a voice log of the training for the teachers, however
[09:05] <philipacamaniac> Shuddertrix: That's insane. I've been prepping for a long time: http://southgateaz.org/linux/software.htm
[09:06] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i just hate xp i switched about a month ago and have been very happy with kubuntu
[09:06] <Shuddertrix> Oh, you mean something like that?
[09:06] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i'd hate to have to go back with my head hanging
[09:06] <Shuddertrix> I had something like that, and I found everything we needed within a week.
[09:06] <philipacamaniac> Well, and a log of problems you encountered
[09:06] <_Church_Of_Foamy> and no one seems to be able to tell me how to get it to work
[09:07] <nmorse> Church_of_Foamy: what version of wine are you running?
[09:07] <_Church_Of_Foamy> as far as i know the current version 
[09:07] <_Church_Of_Foamy> same with dx9wine
[09:07] <_Church_Of_Foamy> they did awsome ^_^
[09:07] <Shuddertrix> We don't run handhelds, and if we need a program to run, we have Crossover office to help us.
[09:08] <Shuddertrix> I encountered only 2 problems
[09:08] <nmorse> Ok, so the problem is that you can't connect to the internet with it?
[09:08] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i tryed crossover and it won't run the game either
[09:08] <Shuddertrix> _Church_Of_Foamy: crossover isn't for games, cedega or dx9wine is
[09:09] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i figured that out lol
[09:09] <philipacamaniac> Shuddertrix: ok, so you paid for a crossover license... what distro? Kubuntu?
[09:09] <Shuddertrix> 1 was that the terminal commands would need to be learned (I never thought of that) and the second was that a few art programs didn't work
[09:09] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i just don't know what i'm doin wrong
[09:10] <nmorse> Right, you said the game plays just fine until you try to go online?
[09:10] <_Church_Of_Foamy> and i'd like to make this the only os  to use on my box
[09:10] <Goshawk> i'm playing a stream.. there is a way to register it?
[09:10] <nmorse> And then loading the map fails?
[09:10] <_Church_Of_Foamy> yup
[09:10] <_Church_Of_Foamy> it let's me log in pick my char and when it goes to load the map it get's to 100%
[09:10] <_Church_Of_Foamy> and fails
[09:10] <Shuddertrix> philipacamaniac: The labs all run kubuntu (a couple run Gentoo with a similar kubuntu config), and the teachers chose either Ubuntu, Kubuntu, or Slackware (we have a couple cool slackware gurus working here, imagine that) for their own machines
[09:11] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i know it can run just don't know what 've done wrong :(
[09:11] <philipacamaniac> Shuddertrix: Ok no more, that's just too much! I can't take it! :)
[09:12] <Shuddertrix> :(
[09:12] <Shuddertrix> You can make the switch over, i know you can ;)
[09:12] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i just don't want to go back to xp (not that i payed for it anyways)
[09:13] <Shuddertrix> I'm getting sad thinking of the opteron servers being offline right now :(
[09:13] <Shuddertrix> err, server.
[09:13] <_Church_Of_Foamy> so anyone have an idea what might be going on?
[09:13] <Shuddertrix> I demand my distcc! :D
[09:14] <Shuddertrix> I'm going to see if this dvd works
[09:15] <_Church_Of_Foamy> :(
[09:15] <Shuddertrix> It's for a friend to try kubuntu out, but I think i'll play with it for awhile first
[09:15] <Shuddertrix> seeing as how it took up minimal resources in vmware :D
[09:15] <_Church_Of_Foamy> it's getting to the point where i will pay someone to make the game work
[09:15] <Shuddertrix> :D
[09:16] <Shuddertrix> that's it, break down..
[09:16] <Shuddertrix> do it..
[09:16] <Shuddertrix> >:D
[09:16] <nmorse> Church_Of_Foamy: have you tried Wine's bugzilla?
[09:16] <nmorse> or Fred's(?) Corner?
[09:16] <_Church_Of_Foamy> yes they said it was unimportant
[09:16] <Goshawk> can i save a stream (not the stream file but the stream itself with kaffeine?
[09:16] <nmorse> Darn it, they won't work on my Rome: Total War either
[09:16] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i have 157 people that will switch to linux if it can run ragnarok
[09:17] <nmorse> 157?
[09:17] <_Church_Of_Foamy> yup
[09:17] <nmorse> You pulled that number out of your bum
[09:17] <_Church_Of_Foamy> no there freinds and family
[09:17] <nmorse> You have 157 friends and family members who play Ragnarok Online?
[09:18] <_Church_Of_Foamy> well about 50 family members
[09:18] <Shuddertrix> lol
[09:18] <_Church_Of_Foamy> my fiancee got her family addicted to it
[09:18] <_Church_Of_Foamy> and most of our freinds play it already
[09:18] <_Church_Of_Foamy> but they all use windows
[09:18] <Shuddertrix> that's sad..
[09:18] <_Church_Of_Foamy> yea it is
[09:19] <_Church_Of_Foamy> they like the way kubuntu is though
[09:19] <Shuddertrix> no, the fact that most of your friends and family play the game..
[09:19] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i let them try it on my box and they want it.....
[09:19] <nmorse> Wow, I think a freenode server just took a dive
[09:19] <_Church_Of_Foamy> well if you've ever played it you'd see it was a great game lol
[09:20] <_Church_Of_Foamy> yup
[09:20] <Goshawk> _Church_Of_Foamy: better mmrpg exists
[09:20] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i know
[09:20] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i have some of them
[09:20] <Goshawk> _Church_Of_Foamy: look at rose or lineage
[09:20] <_Church_Of_Foamy> but they seem to like ro
[09:20] <_Church_Of_Foamy> and i'd really like to get them off xp
[09:21] <_Church_Of_Foamy> rose online is awsome
[09:21] <Slackman> hi how do i change my ubuntu to a kubuntu...i've got kde installed already..but when i try and update it i get
[09:21] <nmorse> How about Guild Wars?
[09:21] <Slackman> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:21] <Slackman>   kdelibs: Depends: kdelibs-data (>= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.2) but 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1 is installed
[09:21] <hussam> guys I need help. I have a problem simmilar to this guy here. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38677
[09:21] <_Church_Of_Foamy> haven't tryed it yet but herd it was good
[09:21] <hussam> I get no sound from tvtime
[09:21] <nmorse> My friend just bought it to install it on my other PC
[09:21] <_Church_Of_Foamy> nice how is it?
[09:22] <nmorse> Haven't tried it yet
[09:22] <nmorse> He had to leave too soon
[09:22] <_Church_Of_Foamy> damn
[09:22] <nmorse> I'm going to take one of his characters though and play with it
[09:22] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i know linux can play this game it's handeld everything i've thrown at it so far
[09:23] <nmorse> have you tried going to #wine?
[09:23] <nmorse> Is that even an IRC channel?
[09:23] <_Church_Of_Foamy> yes there about as much help as a soup sandwich on a rainy day
[09:23] <Shuddertrix> wasn't i doing something?
[09:23] <Shuddertrix> oh.. wait
[09:23] <Shuddertrix> hehe
[09:24] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i want to just keep this has a linuxbox i really don't want to do a dual boot
[09:24] <_Church_Of_Foamy> thats just the same as loosing to winsucks
[09:25] <_Church_Of_Foamy> and maybe a slap to linux?
[09:25] <nmorse> There has to be some way to make it run
[09:25] <nmorse> Hmm, most of them made it back at once too
[09:25] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i know  but i am not knowledgeable enough in linux to do it
[09:25] <nmorse> Odd
[09:26] <Slackman> Church Of Foadmy: losing to winsucks?.....is this some kind of new game?
[09:27] <_Church_Of_Foamy> no just they way i feel
[09:27] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i just started using kubuntu a moth ago for the first time
[09:27] <_Church_Of_Foamy> and i think it's better than microcrap will ever nbe
[09:28] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i just don't know enough to make this game work lol
[09:28] <Slackman> which game is it?
[09:28] <Slackman> is it a linux game?>
[09:28] <_Church_Of_Foamy> no it's called aeRO RagnaroK
[09:28] <_Church_Of_Foamy> a private ragnarok server built off of the offical client
[09:29] <nmorse> Oh, so you're trying to run a private server or are you using the client?
[09:29] <Slackman> right...so is it a windows game then?
[09:29] <_Church_Of_Foamy> yes
[09:30] <_Church_Of_Foamy> client
[09:30] <Slackman> through Cedega?
[09:30] <Shuddertrix> Well, it boots..
[09:30] <_Church_Of_Foamy> cedega can run it but not connect to the net
[09:30] <_Church_Of_Foamy> and wine can run it kinda
[09:30] <Shuddertrix> There are 2 problems, however
[09:31] <newz2000> sorry, something funky just happened and if anyonre responded I missed it... Anyone here build a custom ubuntu-cd that could give a hand?
[09:31] <Shuddertrix> It didn't work with my sound card.. when it was loading (past "Starting ubuntu") the pc speaker beeped about 5 times, and amixer was scrolling by it's help screen
[09:31] <Slackman> kinda? and does cedega work properly aside from the network?
[09:31] <Shuddertrix> and the resolutions are screwed up
[09:31] <_Church_Of_Foamy> as far as i can tell
[09:32] <_Church_Of_Foamy> it works fine with steam
[09:32] <_Church_Of_Foamy> connects to the net and everything
[09:32] <_Church_Of_Foamy> it just seems to be this particular game
[09:32] <Shuddertrix> Anyone know what I should do?
[09:33] <Slackman> is that game supported by cedega..i.e how well do they say it will run?
[09:33] <_Church_Of_Foamy> well there was a document in there forums where someone got it to run with something called point2play
[09:34] <_Church_Of_Foamy> but from what i can figure you have to pay with credit card
[09:34] <_Church_Of_Foamy> to get it
[09:34] <Shuddertrix> _Church_Of_Foamy: point2play is transgaming's special application for downloading, installing, and running Cedega.. yeah, you have to pay for it
[09:34] <Slackman> Church ah, point2play is just cedega front end..its only like 15 dollars or something
[09:34] <_Church_Of_Foamy> but i have also herd of people getting it to run without
[09:35] <Slackman> it makes cedega really easy to update
[09:35] <_Church_Of_Foamy> yea i kinda figured that
[09:35] <Shuddertrix> Slackman: And really easy to use
[09:35] <Slackman> yeh that too :)
[09:35] <Shuddertrix> It does all the commands for you, makes game icons, etc.
[09:35] <_Church_Of_Foamy> nice
[09:35] <Slackman> i'd just find someone with a CC and give em 15 dollars..its not that expensive and its worth it
[09:35] <hussam> can somebody help me figure out why I can't get sound from tvtime?
[09:35] <Slackman> if you wanna play windows game
[09:35] <_Church_Of_Foamy> could that have something to do with why it won't connect?
[09:36] <Shuddertrix> How do I fix my resolutions on the livecd?
[09:36] <Slackman> Shuddertrix, ctrl alt +/- ?
[09:36] <Shuddertrix> Slackman: I'd do that, but I think it got my monitor's config wrong.. let me check
[09:37] <Slackman> then you'll need to run xcfg i think
[09:37] <Shuddertrix> Yeah, it did
[09:37] <Shuddertrix> What route would I take to restart X, then?
[09:37] <Shuddertrix> I usually use ctrl+alt+backspace, but I'm not sure if that would work right on the livecd?
[09:37] <Slackman> should do
[09:38] <_Church_Of_Foamy> so do you think that i need the point2play for the game?
[09:38] <_Church_Of_Foamy> to connect to the internet?
[09:38] <Shuddertrix> Argh, konqu doesn't mount my drive right. Have to go to the console.. sheesh
[09:38] <Slackman> i think it would be easier for you to try that than wrestle with cedega...i don't think you NEED it but its easiest
[09:39] <_Church_Of_Foamy> hmmm
[09:39] <Retroman> does anyone know if the 3.4.1 binary included mdnsd support in kdelibs?
[09:39] <_Church_Of_Foamy> is there a way to find out why it isen't connecting in cedega?
[09:39] <_Church_Of_Foamy> like an error log or something?
[09:39] <Shuddertrix> Heh, only a few lines of difference. That's good.
[09:40] <Shuddertrix> Changed the monitor horiz/verti settings to my regular xorg.conf's lines. That shold work.
[09:40] <Slackman> Church..well you can run it from the CLI and see what errors you get
[09:40] <Shuddertrix> s/shold/should
[09:41] <Shuddertrix> Change my mouse settings.. that should do it, be right back
[09:43] <Shuddertrix> Ah, bliss.
[09:43] <Shuddertrix> 1152x864 at 75hz. That worked wonderfully
[09:43] <_Church_Of_Foamy> cool
[09:43] <Slackman> church, you might like to try #cedega
[09:43] <Shuddertrix> Now, about my sound problem
[09:43] <Shuddertrix> It says it can't find /dev/dsp
[09:44] <_Church_Of_Foamy> brb the game crashed and mucked up my display
[09:44] <Slackman> Shuddertrix, is it there?
[09:44] <Shuddertrix> Sadly, no
[09:44] <Shuddertrix> There was some amixer problem when I was booting off the livecd
[09:45] <Shuddertrix> Couldn't find /dev/dsp either, I think is what it said
[09:45] <Shuddertrix> I kinda want sound to work..
[09:46] <Slackman> Shuddertrix, is your sound card supported...?
[09:46] <Shuddertrix> Slackman: It works in regular Kubuntu
[09:46] <Shuddertrix> So you'd think that it would work, you know?
[09:46] <Slackman> erm..why are you using a live cd when you have Kubuntu installed?
[09:46] <Shuddertrix> I'm testing the livecd for a friend
[09:47] <_Church_Of_Foamy> so any ideas about my predicament?
[09:47] <Shuddertrix> He has a similar box to mine (same hard drive,*sound card*, video card) 
[09:47] <Shuddertrix> Not exact same hard drive, of course
[09:47] <Slackman> Shuddertrix, ah...erm...dunno then...there isn't much you can do on a live cd though...like if it doesn't detect it doesn't detect...you can try alsaconf
[09:48] <Shuddertrix> There is no alsaconf :(
[09:48] <Slackman> or try and load the module manually
[09:48] <Shuddertrix> That might work
[09:49] <Shuddertrix> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/pci/snd-ens1371.ko
[09:50] <Slackman> modprobe snd-ens1371
[09:50] <_Church_Of_Foamy> so you think i can motivate people by offering a $100 reward for makeing the game work for the public linux users?
[09:50] <Slackman> Church i doubt it :P
[09:50] <_Church_Of_Foamy> oh well it was worth a try lol
[09:51] <Shuddertrix> It loaded, but it didn't help anything?
[09:51] <Slackman> i mean...the 15 dollars is going towards development of wine..
[09:51] <_Church_Of_Foamy> do you guys know that microcrap charges for there updates now
[09:51] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i could convert so many to linux if this game workd lol
[09:52] <_Church_Of_Foamy> <---wishes he was a linux guru 
[09:53] <Shuddertrix> The module loaded, but there's no /dev/dsp and I'm not the greatest with sound in linux
[09:53] <Slackman> Shuddertrix, k, sounds like a udev thing\
[09:54] <_Church_Of_Foamy> does anyone know anything about a os called reactos?
[09:55] <_Church_Of_Foamy> someone gave me a cd with this os on it
[09:55] <neko> I have a clean install of kubuntu on my other computer, but the network card is showing as disabled in Control Center, and Control Center won't let me change any settings. Anyone have any ideas on what to check for next?
[09:55] <Shuddertrix> Hmm
[09:55] <Shuddertrix> 2-line paste:
[09:55] <Shuddertrix> Jun  1 19:27:26 localhost kernel: unable to grab IRQ 17
[09:55] <Shuddertrix> Jun  1 19:27:26 localhost kernel: ENS1371: probe of 0000:00:09.0 failed with error -16
[09:56] <_Church_Of_Foamy> is it possible to put xp on after installing kubuntu?
[09:56] <Shuddertrix> That was before I modprobe'd, however
[09:56] <Slackman> Shuddertrix, ah i think it needs to do that IRQ thingo for 2.6.10+ systems
[09:57] <Shuddertrix> Silly thing also put up the wrong timezone too ;)
[09:57] <Shuddertrix> Slackman: eh?
[09:57] <Slackman> Shuddertrix, erm...check out the changlogs for 2.6.10
[09:58] <Slackman> there is something about irq checks
[09:59] <Slackman> you have to pass something to lilo/grub
[10:00] <Shuddertrix> Eh, i can't find anything..
[10:00] <Slackman> ok, when you boot the computer, it will tell you after it loads the kernel..you have to be very quick though
[10:01] <Shuddertrix> Would it happen to be in dmesg?
[10:04] <Shuddertrix> Still can't find anything.
[10:06] <Shuddertrix> Hmm..
[10:06] <Shuddertrix> Just ran hotplug and it's slowing everything down!
[10:07] <Shuddertrix> udevd seems to be doing something..
[10:08] <Shuddertrix> I think i screwed something up :P
[10:10] <Shuddertrix> Eh..
[10:10] <Shuddertrix> this is getting weird
[10:10] <Shuddertrix> Can't figure out what's using up the cpu
[10:10] <Shuddertrix> top isn't doing sqaut
[10:12] <seek205> ugh how do you install custom mouse cursors in kbuntu?
[10:13] <Shuddertrix> ps isn't helping either, and there are udev and default.hotplug processes running all over the place
[10:14] <Shuddertrix> Not sure if I should kill em'
[10:21] <ubuntu> I fixed it.
[10:22] <Shuddertrix> I guess no one is interested in how I fixed it, either ;)
[10:24] <Shuddertrix> I just wish it would detect my monitor properly.
[10:37] <schlomo> Hi
[10:37] <schlomo> does kdialog is present directly in Kubuntu ?
[10:38] <schlomo> any idea ?
[10:39] <aseigo> yes
[10:40] <aseigo> it's part of kdebase and therefore in kubuntu
[10:41] <schlomo> ok thanks
[10:44] <reagleBRKLN> has anyone successfully used a web page to help them install freenx? some use different debs for different directions, with different directions, some create a /home/.nx user, some don't, etc. never got it to work with a knoppix or kubuntu install
[11:14] <Tm_T> hullo
[11:17] <hussam> Tm_T: did you upgrade to kde 3.4.1? I feel like I'm the only person who upgrade. I'm starting to regret that I did so
[11:19] <StR> hussam: why?
[11:21] <hussam> I am keeping 3.4.1 but if nobody upgraded then I probably shouldn't have done so. Although kde3.4.1 did resolve all the crashes I was having with kmail.
[11:21] <StR> I want to use  3.4.1
[11:22] <StR> I was using breezy (bad idea) and today i'm going to return to hoary and  use 3.4.1
[11:23] <hussam> StR: same here. I tried breezy but found it too buggy, It would not mount anything. So I formatted, reinstalled hoary and installed kde 3.4.1
[11:23] <StR> hussam: the same....
[11:24] <hussam> It does feel better than kde 3.4.0 especially kmail and kopete.
[11:25] <error403> how do i upgrade to 3.4.1?
[11:26] <hussam> add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list 
[11:26] <hussam>  deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main
[11:26] <hussam> then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:27] <Tm_T> hussam: I upgraded
[11:27] <error403> ok
[11:27] <error403> will do
[11:27] <hussam> Tm_T: did you upgrade kdevelop?
[11:27] <error403> how stable is it?
[11:28] <Tm_T> hussam: hmm, I'm not sure...
[11:28] <Tm_T> error403: stable
[11:28] <error403> good
[11:28] <error403> lol
[11:28] <error403> i dont like messing with unstable
[11:28] <error403> i move to linux because it WORKS
[11:28] <error403> lol
[11:28] <hussam> error403: pretty stable. as I said it resolved all problems I had with the previous release.
[11:29] <error403> cool
[11:29] <error403> will do then
[11:29] <Firetech> It gave me problems with JuK, but I switched to amaroK.
[11:30] <error403> lol
[11:31] <error403> is it just me, or can permissions in Kubuntu be a real pain a lot of the time?
[11:31] <Firetech> hussam: I agree about kopete, now there's a difference between online and offline icons :)
[11:32] <hussam> Firetech: JuK still works here. but then again I prefer kaffeine.
[11:32] <Firetech> hussam: it crashes after playing about 5-20 songs
[11:32] <Tm_T> amaroK <3<3<3
[11:32] <Firetech> meant 5-10, but 5-20 became better
[11:33] <Firetech> amaroK 1.2.4 + aKode is the right for me
[11:33] <hussam> Firetech: I can't tell, I only have 3 mp3 files. I usually listen to CDs 
[11:33] <Firetech> :P
[11:33] <hussam> Firetech: plus kaffeine plays DVDs perfectly.
[11:33] <Firetech> I uninstalled kaffeine, using kplayer instead
[11:33] <Firetech> Xine bugs me.
[11:34] <Firetech> I don't have a DVD, so I don't really care
[11:35] <hussam> I used to have a cd writer but I thought I'd get a dvd rom. ( they're pretty cheap )
[11:36] <hussam> Firetech: I might get a dvd burner but I'm looking for a good price.
[11:36] <Firetech> One store is selling Dual Layer DVD burners for 699 SEK (roughly 70)
[11:37] <hussam> 70 is like how much dollars?
[11:37] <Curalton> 80
[11:37] <Firetech> that's roughly 70$ too
[11:37] <Firetech> pretty roughly
[11:38] <hussam> that's an excellent price.
[11:38] <Firetech> gah...
[11:38] <Firetech> amarok has crashed again.
[11:38] <Curalton> 84.70 to be precise, rate is 1.21 atm :)
[11:38] <Firetech> amarok crashes after about 35 songs...
[11:38] <Firetech> Curalton: count from SEK instead
[11:39] <Firetech> I'm not sure about the SEK ->  currency
[11:39] <Firetech> *rate
[11:39] <Curalton> 93 Dollars even from Swedisch Crowns
[11:40] <StR> who was asking about kdevelop?
[11:40] <hussam> still, imo, anything lees than a 100 dollars for a dual layer dvd burner is good
[11:40] <hussam> StR: i was
[11:40] <StR> hussam: you use kdevelop to develop what? may I ask?
[11:41] <sirukin> I use kdevelop to develop geekly girl arms.
[11:41] <StR> I would like to develop with QT#.... but I see the proyect is dead...
[11:41] <hussam> StR: 3.2.1 didn't work. I had to downgrade to 3.2.0
[11:41] <sirukin> gtk#
[11:41] <Tm_T> eeh
[11:41] <hussam> StR: my sister writes software for university projects 
[11:42] <StR> sirukin: yes.. I l know.. but.. I would like to use kdelibs or qt...
[11:42] <hussam> StR: this is why I needed kdevelop
[11:42] <StR> hussam: in c++?
[11:43] <hussam> StR: yeah. but I'm not the programmer here.
[11:44] <hussam> brb
[11:45] <seek205> Does anyone know why I can't play sound in fullscreen games? I have sound on the desktop?
[11:46] <StR> seek205: like what game?
[11:47] <seek205> um tuxracer
[11:47] <hussam> seek205: I had a similar problem in supertux. It went away when I installed libsdl1.2debian-all
[11:48] <Jimi`> hello everybody
[11:48] <Jimi`> I'm looking for kubuntu italian channel :-)
[11:49] <seek205> hussam: thx trying that now
[11:50] <seek205> hussam: thanks that worked!
[11:50] <hussam> seek205: :)
[11:53] <Jimi`> thanks a lot
[11:53] <Jimi`> good bye
[11:58] <apollo2011> I am trying to use Azureus but it doesn't seem to find Java.  I believe kynpatic had installed it but I also just installed it from the java self extracting file.  How do I get Azureus to see it?