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nufan | Anyone active? | 01:12 |
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carthik | nufan, just ask :) | 01:12 |
carthik | I may know the answer, though highly unlikely | 01:12 |
nufan | It's to do with helpng out with LaptopTestingHardware on the wiki | 01:12 |
carthik | nufan, it might be a good idea to ask the entire question in one go :) | 01:13 |
nufan | I have an iBook and would like to help out, butu I'm not sure if I am 'allowed' to edit the wiki page | 01:14 |
carthik | nufan, you are | 01:14 |
nufan | OK | 01:15 |
nufan | That's good :P | 01:15 |
nufan | Thank you | 01:15 |
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mdke | *laughs* | 01:19 |
mdke | have cut a few things off the FrontPage | 01:19 |
mdke | put them in second level pages | 01:19 |
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mkde | http://nat.org/demos/monodoc.html | 02:24 |
mkde | how cool is that | 02:24 |
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mpt | carthik! Fancy seeing you here | 04:45 |
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jsgotangco | hey Burgundavia | 06:52 |
Burgundavia | salut | 06:52 |
mpt | hi Burgundavia | 07:09 |
Burgundavia | salut mpt | 07:10 |
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venda | African Greetings | 07:43 |
Burgundavia | salut venda | 07:43 |
jsgotangco | hello | 07:45 |
venda | hello chaps | 07:45 |
venda | anyone got time to test that mono help viewer matthew spoke about | 07:47 |
jsgotangco | yeah | 07:49 |
jsgotangco | we and Burgundavia talked about it before | 07:49 |
jsgotangco | its an api doc app | 07:49 |
jsgotangco | (not sure if its extensible at the moment( | 07:49 |
venda | hmm, if the src is there and its mono, then it must be | 07:56 |
venda | that beagle thing is cool | 07:56 |
venda | I wonder if it can be embeded | 07:56 |
=== venda thinks to use it as a search function within help view environment | ||
venda | Burgundavia: you've played with it, what do you think? | 07:58 |
Burgundavia | another doc viewer | 07:58 |
Burgundavia | nothing special, to be honest | 07:58 |
venda | is it lighter than a browser and yelp/khelpcenter | 07:59 |
Burgundavia | hmm, didn't really check | 07:59 |
Burgundavia | might be | 07:59 |
Burgundavia | but it also probably does less | 07:59 |
venda | yes, tradeoff | 07:59 |
venda | but if it is faster, then then our help app can do the main functions | 08:00 |
venda | well just an idea | 08:01 |
jsgotangco | its quite fast compared to yelp | 08:03 |
venda | guys I am thinking to use the MS HTML Format for help, just not to compile it into CHM | 08:19 |
venda | see here for information http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/HtmlHelp.html#HHTOCs | 08:19 |
venda | Instead of compiling it, we will use a frameset | 08:19 |
venda | this will give us all the features of MS help, with the ability to run on the web or under any browser | 08:20 |
venda | of ocurse we will not have to encode the docs for windows, we remain at UTF-8 | 08:20 |
venda | thoughts? | 08:21 |
Burgundavia | hmm, I have no idea, so I will not comment either way | 08:23 |
jsgotangco | it would be easier for sure though | 08:23 |
venda | yes, it is also close to what many of the windows users who try ubuntu are accustomed to | 08:23 |
venda | remember what mpt was saying | 08:24 |
venda | I think the compromise is to use the technical structure, but remain flexible to customization | 08:24 |
venda | but we will not be supporting features like the ms help buttons | 08:25 |
venda | those are up to the individual help viewer | 08:25 |
venda | if for example somebody develops a help viewer they can always enable the help buttons in their app | 08:26 |
mpt | What's an "ms help button"? | 08:26 |
venda | I started learning python last week, I hope to be able to write a help viewer for us | 08:27 |
venda | mpt: on ms help there are several buttons that can be enabled/disabled on the ms help viewer | 08:27 |
venda | mostly for navigation etc | 08:27 |
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venda | Hide/Showhtmlhelp.button.hideshow | 08:28 |
venda | Backhtmlhelp.button.back | 08:28 |
venda | Forwardhtmlhelp.button.forward | 08:28 |
mpt | venda: (1) Will it have a search function? | 08:28 |
venda | Stophtmlhelp.button.stop | 08:28 |
venda | Refreshhtmlhelp.button.refresh | 08:28 |
mpt | venda: (2) Will it be faster to launch than yelp? | 08:28 |
venda | Homehtmlhelp.button.home | 08:28 |
venda | Optionshtmlhelp.button.options | 08:28 |
venda | Printhtmlhelp.button.print | 08:28 |
venda | Locatehtmlhelp.button.locate | 08:28 |
venda | Nexthtmlhelp.button.next | 08:28 |
venda | Previoushtmlhelp.button.previous | 08:28 |
venda | Zoomhtmlhelp.button.zoom | 08:28 |
venda | Yes search will be embeded into our html | 08:28 |
mpt | venda: I'm talking about the help viewer | 08:29 |
mpt | (hence my comparison to yelp) | 08:29 |
mpt | not about the HTML | 08:29 |
venda | I want any app capable of rendering html to be available for use | 08:29 |
venda | so how fast is dependant on what app is used | 08:30 |
venda | hence Iwas interested in the monodoc we spoke about earlier | 08:30 |
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mpt | venda: I'm responding to this: <venda> I started learning python last week, I hope to be able to write a help viewer for us | 08:30 |
venda | Oh | 08:30 |
venda | I will design it to be fast | 08:30 |
venda | it is a major consideration | 08:31 |
jsgotangco | you can extend it to wxpython or something similar | 08:31 |
mpt | venda: So writing a new help viewer from scratch will be quicker than implementing search in yelp and making yelp fast? | 08:32 |
venda | I will post a spec and interface design, I would like it to be a community project | 08:32 |
venda | mpt: no | 08:32 |
venda | but yelp etc can still read HTML very well | 08:32 |
mpt | So why not do the latter? | 08:32 |
venda | the idea of doing a new viewer is to be able to tailor faster | 08:33 |
mpt | Tailor what to what faster? | 08:33 |
venda | If we want our own this thingy or that | 08:33 |
venda | also we can design new concepts | 08:33 |
mpt | Thingy? Concepts? | 08:34 |
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venda | you said, Linux help sucks and so does windows, we can try some new ideas | 08:34 |
venda | perhaps you can help us with your toughts there | 08:34 |
mpt | Well I have in my head exactly what I'd like a help viewer should look like, and it's not very different from yelp | 08:34 |
venda | nobody is happy with the tools available | 08:35 |
jsgotangco | mpt, you have a mockup or something? | 08:35 |
mpt | should --> to | 08:35 |
venda | But help must load lots of baggage | 08:35 |
mpt | jsgotangco: No, only in my head at the moment :-) | 08:35 |
venda | yes, the diff is not large, but making your own you can do things that yelp team wont want to do | 08:35 |
venda | mpt can you sketch the interface | 08:36 |
venda | I have the following requirements: | 08:36 |
venda | faster | 08:37 |
venda | simpler | 08:37 |
venda | better | 08:37 |
venda | that's it | 08:37 |
mpt | And you think the yelp team don't want any of those things? :-) | 08:37 |
venda | they carry to much baggage | 08:37 |
jsgotangco | heh | 08:37 |
venda | many of things we would want, they dont want | 08:37 |
venda | and they would have to re-engineer yelp | 08:38 |
mpt | Such as? | 08:38 |
venda | for example I do not plan reading anything except html help | 08:38 |
venda | yelp loads stuff for many formats | 08:38 |
mpt | So what about all those apps that currently have their help written in DocBook? | 08:39 |
venda | however, I do plan enabling others to include modules for other formats | 08:39 |
mpt | And what about man pages? | 08:39 |
venda | Docbook transforms to HTML | 08:39 |
venda | yelp tries to read it and tranform it to html | 08:39 |
mpt | Yes, but who's going to do that for a third-party app? | 08:39 |
jsgotangco | similar to what khelp does? | 08:39 |
venda | that is up to the community | 08:39 |
venda | I will take a kpart type of approach to it | 08:40 |
mpt | If Ubuntu uses this VendaHelp and everyone else uses yelp, and some third-party app supplies its help in DocBook, where does the conversion happen? | 08:40 |
venda | AT present all GNOME stuff is in Yelp | 08:40 |
venda | I am focused on ubuntu-docs | 08:40 |
venda | we do not package xml in ubuntu | 08:41 |
venda | we package html | 08:41 |
mpt | If some *third-party* app (i.e. not part of Gnome) supplies its help in DocBook, where does the conversion happen? | 08:41 |
venda | but uses can do apt-get install ubuntu-docs-src | 08:41 |
jsgotangco | (i always thought we packaged in xml) | 08:41 |
venda | jsgotangco: at present yes | 08:41 |
venda | mpt: they will transform to html when they build their apps | 08:42 |
venda | xml is not for presentation layer | 08:42 |
mpt | So are there no third-party apps that currently provide their help in DocBook format? | 08:42 |
mpt | I thought yelp did the conversion on-the-fly | 08:43 |
venda | part of the reason help opens so slow is that it is trying to transformations from xml to html | 08:43 |
mpt | Could that be solved by making the home page HTML instead? | 08:43 |
venda | In kde the help is html | 08:43 |
jsgotangco | yelp relies on scrollkeeper to catalog what xml is included | 08:43 |
venda | it is only gnome that tries the fly approach | 08:43 |
mpt | jsgotangco: And I *wish* I could figure out how :-) | 08:43 |
venda | mpt: yes home page for ubuntu-docs is html easy to custom | 08:44 |
mpt | I'd like to edit the help, but no-one can tell me how to do it | 08:44 |
mpt | except saying "it's not easy" | 08:44 |
venda | mpt: exactly | 08:44 |
mpt | which I've been told several times already :-P | 08:44 |
venda | I want it more open and custom | 08:44 |
venda | for example the the formatting an dlayout in yelp is stunnted by yelp | 08:45 |
venda | mpt: with this system you can do what you like | 08:45 |
mpt | I think stunted formatting is good | 08:45 |
venda | nah | 08:45 |
venda | you need freedom and control | 08:45 |
venda | for example | 08:46 |
mpt | No, really, you don't | 08:46 |
venda | I would like to have a pick list of related topic and task on the right | 08:46 |
venda | in yelp that is not possible | 08:46 |
mpt | Even in the Apple Help viewer when it only supported HTML 3.2, instead of using the standard help font, third-party apps often used whatever font the author of the app looked cool | 08:46 |
mpt | It was a PITA | 08:46 |
venda | in yelp I cant even change the color of headings | 08:46 |
mpt | That's a feature | 08:47 |
venda | well we do our stuff using the same style | 08:47 |
venda | what other do in up to them | 08:47 |
venda | our focus is smaller that other tools | 08:47 |
mpt | which is exactly the problem | 08:47 |
venda | we just want an easy to use faster tool for our stuff | 08:48 |
venda | others can use it if they want | 08:48 |
venda | btw the help system should also be accessible on a web site | 08:49 |
venda | not the help viewer | 08:49 |
venda | just the content | 08:49 |
venda | I do not envision everyone using this viewer | 08:50 |
venda | and do not exclude the ability to use yelp or khelpcenter to view the ubuntu-docs | 08:50 |
venda | the content of the help system must be portable across apps | 08:51 |
venda | the idea is just to be able to improve what we can do for ubuntu | 08:51 |
venda | the same way gome and kde worry only about what they can do for their projects | 08:52 |
venda | if others want to use it, then they should be free to do so | 08:52 |
mpt | XHTML Basic with no style sheets would be a reasonable language for help | 08:53 |
venda | mpt: for you a major immediate plus is that you will be able to rapidly custom the home page and anything else | 08:53 |
venda | yes and no | 08:53 |
venda | html + css is more flexible | 08:54 |
venda | faster too | 08:54 |
venda | but technically you are right' | 08:54 |
mpt | venda: This is where we disagree. I think that in help, flexibility is not a good thing. | 08:54 |
venda | well take yourself as an example | 08:55 |
venda | you are frustrated by yelp/scrollkeeper | 08:55 |
mpt | All help pages, no whether they come from Gnome or KDE or Adobe, should use the same fonts, the same colors, the same margins, the same padding. | 08:55 |
venda | in an ideal world | 08:55 |
mpt | Authors shouldn't be able to muck around with the formatting. | 08:55 |
venda | yes | 08:55 |
venda | mpt: start small | 08:56 |
mpt | Because if they can, they will. | 08:56 |
venda | in docbook they see no formatting | 08:56 |
venda | the xsl transformation takes care of that | 08:56 |
mpt | good | 08:56 |
venda | but I want to stay topical for now | 08:56 |
venda | I dont want to change the world | 08:56 |
venda | Shaum tried that and he had huge problems | 08:57 |
mpt | Who's Shaum? | 08:57 |
venda | Sorry Shaun M from GNOME | 08:57 |
Burgundavia | shaun | 08:57 |
venda | If all ubuntu-docs look the same and we have control over the look and feel, I am a happy camper | 08:58 |
jsgotangco | how about the other docs? | 08:58 |
jsgotangco | (from scrollkeeper) | 08:58 |
venda | if others want to adopt it, they're welcome | 08:58 |
venda | jsgotangco: use yelp | 08:58 |
mpt | er | 08:58 |
mpt | venda: So Ubuntu should have *two* help viewers? | 08:59 |
venda | we will still register with srollkeeper for compatability reasons | 08:59 |
venda | gnome has one and so do we | 08:59 |
venda | at first | 08:59 |
mpt | "gnome"? What's this "gnome"?</aunttillie> | 08:59 |
venda | as and when people create plugins other things can be done | 09:00 |
venda | other formats suppoerted | 09:00 |
venda | like man | 09:00 |
jsgotangco | (i dont like the concept of 2 help viewers) | 09:00 |
venda | but I dont want to go there for now, just leave it open to possability | 09:00 |
mpt | Well | 09:00 |
jsgotangco | (you support 2 apps as well) | 09:00 |
venda | jsgotangco: your web browser is ff yes | 09:01 |
mpt | venda: I'm not the world's expert on how jdub and mdz and co. think, but I find it difficult to imagine them putting multiple help viewers into Ubuntu when they have the choice not to. | 09:01 |
venda | please click help | 09:01 |
venda | mpt there must be about six of them installed today | 09:02 |
venda | just look at the firefox help, opera help, OOo help | 09:02 |
mpt | venda: Yes, but that's not through choice, that's through upstreams being silly. | 09:02 |
venda | etc | 09:02 |
venda | no upstreams not silly | 09:02 |
venda | they just want control not given by yelp | 09:02 |
mpt | And they don't have the choice | 09:02 |
venda | there is a tradeoff alwasy | 09:03 |
mpt | because they don't have the time to spend on putting the Firefox and OOo help into yelp. | 09:03 |
venda | not true | 09:03 |
venda | there help is xml | 09:03 |
venda | and they just need to install it | 09:04 |
venda | yelp will do the rest | 09:04 |
venda | Hmm, maybe we can just us ethe ff helpviewer | 09:04 |
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mpt | it's crack | 09:04 |
venda | it is more or less what I had inmind | 09:04 |
mpt | Opera isn't in main | 09:04 |
venda | mpt: crack = good :-) | 09:05 |
mpt | It's a classic case of programmers overestimating how much people care about a particular window | 09:05 |
venda | so is it good or bad | 09:05 |
mpt | It's far too large, and too complex, and oh yes, let's have a Customize Toolbar dialog! For a help viewer! | 09:05 |
mpt | Because I want to spend time deciding which buttons should appear in a HELP WINDOW | 09:06 |
venda | we can dumb it down | 09:06 |
=== mpt is cranky today :-) | ||
venda | mpt is there any winning with you? | 09:06 |
mpt | Sure, add search to yelp and I'll be your fan for life ;-) | 09:07 |
venda | but you say yelp is too slow | 09:07 |
venda | so what do you want | 09:07 |
mpt | Yes, but that's slightly less of a problem than it not having search | 09:07 |
venda | so why put so much focus on the slow issue earlier | 09:07 |
mpt | Or, MUCH easier, give me step-by-step instructions on how to change yelp's front page | 09:07 |
venda | can't | 09:08 |
mpt | I wasn't focusing on the slow issue in particular, I just had to ask it a few times because you thought I was talking about something else | 09:09 |
venda | take your pic custom or no custom, fast or slow | 09:09 |
venda | everything has some trade-off | 09:09 |
mpt | sure | 09:09 |
venda | ok must go now. take care | 09:10 |
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jsgotangco | gyahh | 09:15 |
mpt | That was a boil-the-ocean strategy | 09:16 |
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mdke | morning | 09:55 |
mdke | whats all this crying? | 09:57 |
mpt | mdke: Oh, um, Sean wants to write a help viewer from scratch, to be used *alongside* yelp | 09:57 |
mdke | well get to it | 09:58 |
mdke | :p | 09:58 |
mdke | mpt, what do you favour? | 09:59 |
mdke | are there any minimal browsers that might work? | 09:59 |
mpt | Any help viewer would have to display help in the formats that it is currently supplied in | 09:59 |
mdke | mpt, you mean the gnome docs? | 10:00 |
mpt | which includes DocBook and man pages, neither of which Sean's would read | 10:00 |
mdke | right | 10:00 |
mpt | I'm talking about all the help shipped with Ubuntu | 10:00 |
mdke | i guess the problem is finding a solution for both ubuntu and kubuntu | 10:00 |
mdke | given that kubuntu doesn't use yelp | 10:00 |
mpt | What I favour is decreasing the number of help viewers | 10:01 |
mpt | Preferably to the one help viewer that sucks the least | 10:01 |
jsgotangco | same here | 10:01 |
mdke | yes of course thats a good idea | 10:01 |
mdke | and what sucks the least? | 10:01 |
jsgotangco | kubuntu uses khtml alredy | 10:01 |
mdke | for man pages too? | 10:01 |
mpt | then getting Gimp to use it, then getting Firefox to use it, then getting OpenOffice to use it | 10:02 |
jsgotangco | yep | 10:02 |
mpt | (I'm assuminug that's in ascending order of difficulty) | 10:02 |
jsgotangco | scrollkeeper even | 10:02 |
jsgotangco | but its a mess | 10:02 |
mdke | i love the idea of OOo | 10:02 |
mdke | a 30 second startup for getting help ;) | 10:02 |
jsgotangco | monodoc is faster | 10:03 |
mdke | would it work for all docs, in kubuntu and ubuntu? | 10:03 |
mpt | I have no idea | 10:03 |
jsgotangco | i dont think it was designed as a general help viewer | 10:03 |
jsgotangco | just for mono at the moment | 10:03 |
mdke | i guess it will be difficult to move away from yelp given that gnome uses it | 10:03 |
jsgotangco | yelp isnt so bad it just needs some love | 10:04 |
jsgotangco | heh | 10:04 |
mdke | but the faqguide as sean has converted it is already unusable in yelp | 10:04 |
mdke | and that will probably be the most used doc for breezy if it goes in | 10:04 |
mpt | woohoo | 10:05 |
mdke | quite | 10:05 |
mpt | Who came up with the name "faq guide" anyway? | 10:05 |
mdke | mpt, no idea | 10:05 |
jsgotangco | no idea | 10:05 |
mpt | You know | 10:05 |
jsgotangco | must be the first authors | 10:05 |
jsgotangco | (sean, enrico, et al) | 10:05 |
mpt | I should bind my hands today so I can't type | 10:05 |
mdke | we can change the name fairly easily, thats not the big deal | 10:05 |
mpt | coz I'm cranky | 10:05 |
mdke | mpt, time of the month huh | 10:06 |
mpt | And when I'm cranky, BAD CRAP happens | 10:06 |
=== mdke pats | ||
mpt | moo | 10:06 |
=== jsgotangco just had 3 bottles of green tea | ||
mdke | jsgotangco, you are so addicted to that stuff | 10:06 |
jsgotangco | yeah tea rules | 10:06 |
mdke | just inject the caffeine directly | 10:06 |
mdke | (does green tea have caffeine?) | 10:06 |
jsgotangco | LOADS | 10:07 |
jsgotangco | higher than coffee | 10:07 |
mdke | in italian they call it teaine ;) | 10:07 |
mdke | given that coffee is "caffe" | 10:07 |
mdke | they figured that caffeine comes from the word coffee | 10:07 |
jsgotangco | we even have tofu drinks here | 10:07 |
mdke | ugh | 10:07 |
jsgotangco | its delicious | 10:08 |
jsgotangco | tea + tofu = awesome | 10:08 |
mdke | ugh | 10:08 |
jsgotangco | i dont blame you | 10:09 |
mdke | the good thing about using html for the docs would be that they could be published online/offline in the same way | 10:09 |
mdke | if you think about it, having ubuntu docs and then gnome/kde docs in a different help viewer isn't the end of the world | 10:09 |
mdke | mpt, i remember that you were saying that the books should be published as pdf | 10:09 |
mpt | yup | 10:09 |
jsgotangco | ugghh no one reads in pdf | 10:10 |
mdke | i do | 10:10 |
mpt | for print use | 10:10 |
mdke | i use pdf for whatever I write | 10:10 |
jsgotangco | for print no problem | 10:10 |
mpt | because the books aren't suitable for on-screen reading | 10:10 |
mdke | mpt, so all the Ubuntu docs are books atm | 10:10 |
mpt | no matter *what* medium they're in | 10:10 |
mpt | Yes | 10:10 |
jsgotangco | id consider them as books too | 10:10 |
mpt | Well observed :-) | 10:10 |
jsgotangco | (the way they are formatted) | 10:10 |
mpt | and the way they're written | 10:10 |
mdke | sure | 10:11 |
mdke | except maybe the faqguide | 10:11 |
mdke | which will shortly be renamed | 10:11 |
mdke | ;) | 10:11 |
mpt | Currently we have plenty of reference material, but none of what I'd categorize as onscreen help. | 10:11 |
mdke | for breezy we should also have some howtos from the wiki | 10:12 |
=== mdke chomps on toast | ||
jsgotangco | well i gotta go | 10:16 |
jsgotangco | i have a diner to attend | 10:16 |
jsgotangco | laterz | 10:16 |
mdke | those vnc2swf videos are pretty cool | 10:16 |
mdke | have fun jsgotangco | 10:16 |
jsgotangco | i just installed 2 ubuntu servrs today | 10:17 |
jsgotangco | man ubuntu as a server is awesome | 10:17 |
mdke | thats cool | 10:17 |
mdke | i will try breezy this weekend | 10:17 |
jsgotangco | id rather not yet when x is borked | 10:17 |
mdke | jsgotangco, did you see LaptopTestingTeam btw? | 10:17 |
jsgotangco | not yet | 10:17 |
mdke | i think its fixed now | 10:17 |
jsgotangco | what's that about | 10:17 |
mdke | jsgotangco, check it out | 10:18 |
jsgotangco | wiki? | 10:18 |
mdke | yes | 10:18 |
mdke | free laptops for testing breezy | 10:18 |
jsgotangco | yeah i know that | 10:18 |
jsgotangco | we discussed that in UDU | 10:18 |
mdke | well put your name down | 10:18 |
jsgotangco | sabdfl was willing to invest | 10:19 |
mdke | that guy is a genius | 10:19 |
mdke | its a brilliant idea | 10:19 |
mdke | ubuntu is gonna rock laptops | 10:19 |
jsgotangco | hmmm | 10:19 |
jsgotangco | that list is already long | 10:19 |
jsgotangco | hehe | 10:19 |
mdke | lots of people on the list haven't done any work | 10:19 |
mdke | you have | 10:19 |
jsgotangco | i know | 10:19 |
jsgotangco | if you check the udu laptop wiki me and ogra are listed | 10:20 |
jsgotangco | heh | 10:20 |
mdke | well there ya go | 10:20 |
mdke | get your name down | 10:20 |
jsgotangco | ill put mine beside you hehe (cheater) | 10:20 |
mdke | k | 10:20 |
mdke | a guy in #ubuntu-it said breezy was real fast | 10:21 |
mdke | thats why i'm gonna try it | 10:21 |
mdke | that, and the fact that I have time on my hands | 10:21 |
mdke | my course finishes friday | 10:21 |
jsgotangco | hmm wonder why dholbach didnt list himself | 10:21 |
jsgotangco | or even ajmitch | 10:21 |
mdke | guess they have flair laptops already | 10:22 |
jsgotangco | nahhh you should see ajmitch's laptop | 10:22 |
jsgotangco | hehe | 10:22 |
mdke | hmm | 10:22 |
jsgotangco | or worse, even mako's | 10:22 |
jsgotangco | hehe | 10:22 |
mdke | no way? | 10:22 |
mdke | he has a p1 166 mmx? | 10:22 |
jsgotangco | well a P2 | 10:22 |
mdke | my gf has one of those | 10:22 |
jsgotangco | i still have a p3 laptop | 10:23 |
jsgotangco | well i gotta go my wife is gonna kill me if im late | 10:23 |
mdke | ok have fun | 10:23 |
jsgotangco | listed myself already | 10:23 |
mdke | cool | 10:23 |
mdke | dholbach is third on the list btw | 10:24 |
jsgotangco | mjg59 is doing swell work on laptops | 10:24 |
jsgotangco | later | 10:24 |
mdke | bye | 10:24 |
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Kinnison | Hola | 01:17 |
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venda | Burgundavia: bounties for docs that's a first :-) | 08:26 |
venda | Burgundavia: I wonder if they will accept my Lenya solution? | 08:29 |
Burgundavia | they might | 08:31 |
venda | Hmmm, I wonder ... | 08:34 |
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abelli | Kinnison: ding dong dang | 08:43 |
Kinnison | abelli: hi | 09:03 |
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mkde | evening | 09:17 |
venda | elo | 09:17 |
Burgundavia | venda, someone has posting something to the gnome list as well | 09:18 |
venda | yes, dorvak or something like that | 09:18 |
mkde | venda, any reply on the ubuntuguide? | 09:19 |
abelli | venda, domo arigato. | 09:20 |
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_venda | ouch that hurt | 09:22 |
abelli | _venda: re-"domo arigato". | 09:22 |
_venda | hello abelli | 09:23 |
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mkde | venda, any reply on the ubuntuguide? | 09:23 |
venda | mdke: no | 09:24 |
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venda | gotta love wget | 09:26 |
venda | download a whole web site in minutes | 09:26 |
carthik | venda, and mp3s, in some cases :) | 09:27 |
carthik | I love netjuke users, who allow downloads, but I am evil. | 09:27 |
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venda | 590 files in 2.07 secs | 09:31 |
venda | good night ppl | 09:56 |
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abelli | ciao a tutti | 10:04 |
abelli | buona notte | 10:04 |
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mdke | Kinnison, is your dad called norman? | 11:48 |
Kinnison | Hep | 11:48 |
Kinnison | Y | 11:48 |
mdke | awesome | 11:48 |
mdke | he posted to the ubuntu-uk list this evening | 11:48 |
mdke | i need to convert my parents | 11:48 |
Kinnison | Cool | 11:51 |
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