[12:00] <joh> ante: yeah, why? :P
[12:00] <KragenSitaker> hi.  is this the place to ask for help diagnosing problems with Evolution under Ubuntu?
[12:00] <ante> Think my default looks are pretty bad
[12:00] <ante> is*
[12:00] <ante> its boring
[12:00] <joh> KragenSitaker: ask your question here :)
[12:00] <KragenSitaker> Mine hangs for a minute or two and never connects, ever since upgrading from warty to hoary.
[12:00] <joh> ante: use xmms then
[12:00] <KragenSitaker> To the Exchange server.
[12:01] <KragenSitaker> other people in the company haven't had this problem with Evolution.
[12:01] <joh> KragenSitaker: is this ubuntu-specific or evolution?
[12:01] <ante> my xmms cant handle shoutcast stream music
[12:01] <KragenSitaker> running on Ubuntu.
[12:01] <KragenSitaker> It's my-laptop-specific, apparently.
[12:01] <joh> KragenSitaker: same version of evolution?
[12:01] <KragenSitaker> yes, running on Hoary also
[12:01] <joh> KragenSitaker: what is your problem exactly?
[12:02] <KragenSitaker> Evolution hangs for a minute or two and never connects to the Exchange server, ever since upgrading from warty to hoary.
[12:02] <KragenSitaker> Also GNOME tells me various evolution processes have died.
[12:02] <KragenSitaker> something about an alarm manager.
[12:02] <KragenSitaker> And Evolution says things are timing out talkign to the Exchange backend process.
[12:02] <joh> KragenSitaker: have you checked the bts?
[12:02] <KragenSitaker> malone?
[12:03] <joh> ?
[12:03] <KragenSitaker> Eventually I get "Could not connect to server xxxx: Network error"
[12:03] <joh> bug tracking system
[12:03] <KragenSitaker> I have not.  I suppose I should have done that first.
[12:03] <gub> ok the patched libx11-6&libx11-dev version 6.8.2-20keys1 for hotkeys (ctrl...) on breezy are available on http://hybrid-dev.net/ubuntu breezy main
[12:03] <KragenSitaker> (xxxx is of course the name of the server)
[12:03] <joh> KragenSitaker: might be a good idea :)
[12:03] <joh> ok
[12:03] <ante> what do I need to skin rhythmbox?
[12:04] <KragenSitaker> where is the Ubuntu BTS?
[12:04] <joh> ante: you don't skin your rhythmbox.
[12:04] <dabugas> has anyone installed kde from a kubuntu cd on top of ubuntu?
[12:04] <joh> KragenSitaker: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[12:04] <KragenSitaker> thanks!
[12:04] <ante> But Joh u said its possible to change the looks
[12:04] <joh> no problem! :)
[12:04] <joh> ante: of the whole gnome environment, yes.
[12:04] <KragenSitaker> (uhoh, bugzilla)
[12:04] <ante> of rhythmbox
[12:04] <joh> ante: I never said that.
[12:05] <ante> ok..
[12:05] <joh> ante: if you want a skinnable player, go for xmms.
[12:05] <ante> But xmms cant handle the streaming music I listen to
[12:05] <joh> ante: you can change the theme of all gnome applications though.
[12:05] <spanglesontoast> is there .deb package for ntfs-driver?
[12:05] <ante> ok thnks
[12:05] <shinu> when i do an alias, why doent it save it? if i run a new xterm its not there anytmore...
[12:05] <joh> spanglesontoast: ntfs-driver? like the kernel driver for reading ntfs filesystems?
[12:06] <spanglesontoast> ya
[12:06] <joh> shinu: you have to add it to one of the startup scripts. like ~/.bashrc
[12:06] <joh> spanglesontoast: I think it should be in the standard ubuntu kernel.
[12:06] <shinu> oh...
[12:06] <shinu> ok thanks
[12:07] <lonewolff> hey, does anyone know why when i try to hotswap on my dell inspiron it works except if im swapping cd-drive for something else when upon ejecting the cd drive the system locks up completely?
[12:07] <joh> spanglesontoast: note though, that ntfs support in linux is limited. You can read, but write only if you do not change the size of the file you are writing to :P
[12:07] <joh> shinu: np.
[12:07] <spanglesontoast> ya
[12:08] <spanglesontoast> but is there a .deb package?
[12:08] <joh> spanglesontoast: you are unable to mount the ntfs filesystem?
[12:08] <zoddan> where can i find the guide how to install windows fonts on ubuntu ???
[12:09] <spanglesontoast> well is it already installed?
[12:09] <joh> spanglesontoast: I think so.
[12:09] <spanglesontoast> ah
[12:09] <joh> spanglesontoast: it's pretty standard.
[12:09] <[koji] > spanglesontoast: it's compiled in the kernel
[12:09] <spanglesontoast> how do I mount it?
[12:10] <[koji] > spanglesontoast: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[12:10] <anto9us> lonewolff: I have an inspiron too but I don't hotswap so haven't encountered that problem. You might want to try the hotswap package in universe which promises to deregister ide devices
[12:10] <zoddan> anyone ??????
[12:10] <runedude> hm
[12:11] <joh> spanglesontoast: mount /dev/hdX /mount/point
[12:11] <lonewolff> anto9us: i will give that a try, thanx, out of curiosity what inspiron do you have (i hot swap when running out of battery and away from power hehe)
[12:11] <joh> zoddan: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FontInstallHowto
[12:12] <anto9us> lonewolff: 9100, I have spare batteries but they're not for the drive bay, I have to shutdown or find a power socket :(
[12:12] <spanglesontoast> it thinks my partition doesn't exist
[12:13] <spanglesontoast> dw
[12:13] <spanglesontoast> lol
[12:13] <spanglesontoast> missed the d
[12:13] <lonewolff> anto9us: ah i have a 4150, so the drive bay also acts as a second battery bay which is good (8 hours use from 2 batteries)
[12:13] <snowseal> how to properly install mplayer?
[12:14] <anto9us> lonewolff: yeah, mine does too, I don't find it too much of an inconvience right now but if I ever do I'll look into getting one
[12:14] <nern> hey
[12:14] <nern> i need help with my fstab
[12:14] <zoddan> joh: that not it
[12:14] <zoddan> s
[12:14] <priest> in which directory shall i put w32codecs to mplayer?
[12:15] <nern> im trying to get it to mount a fat32 partition, i have my directory made and i can get it set to mount on bootup, but all users do not have read and write priveledges
[12:15] <joh> snowseal: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CompileMplayerHowto maybe...
[12:15] <snowseal> i compiled it and it works.
[12:15] <linukso> Ah, just finished reinstalling ubuntu with my crappy cd-rom, only had to remount the disk once....
[12:15] <zoddan> anyone know the URL to the page that shows how to install windows fonts in ubuntu ?
[12:15] <nern> i would like to be able to have my fstab configured so that the fat32 drive mounts on boot and is accessible and writable by any user
[12:15] <Johnnyfav> I'm having real problems setting up this nvidia driver
[12:16] <snowseal> but its crasy and it wont integrate with the windwo manager
[12:16] <joh> zoddan: yes it is: "The msttcorefonts contains the Mircosoft free fonts, including Arial, Comic Sans and Times New Roman."
[12:16] <zoddan> joh: ?
[12:16] <sevets> Hey
[12:16] <Fikrann> Hey falks, I have a slightly broader question .. Which network filesystem would you recommend?
[12:16] <dooglus> http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005250039,,00.html
[12:16] <joh> zoddan: or do you want to install ttf fonts in linux?
[12:16] <zoddan> joh: im talking about tahoma in gnome not corefonts.........!!!
[12:16] <sevets> Anyone know why a basic ubuntu install would not play an mp3?
[12:16] <joh> zoddan: oh.
[12:16] <nern> anyone?
[12:16] <nern> anyone that can help me with this fstab thing
[12:17] <joh> zoddan: well, it's all there.
[12:17] <dooglus> nern, sure.
[12:17] <KragenSitaker> ugh, I have to create a bts account
[12:17] <runedude> joh: well, err, i get this error http://pastebin.com/292937
[12:17] <dooglus> nern: what's the problem?
[12:17] <zoddan> joh: where ?
[12:17] <Johnnyfav> I downloaded the nvidia driver from the nvidia the one where I change the X conf file to ='nvidia' and I can't get around this kernel source package crap....what do I do?
[12:17] <nern> dooglus: thanks, i want to be have my fat32 drive mount on boot with full reading and writing priveledges for all users.
[12:17] <zoddan> joh: ??
[12:18] <lonewolff> anto9us: thanx a lot for the help that worked
[12:18] <runedude> Johnnyfav: i just did apt-get install nvidia-kernel and it took care of all of it for me
[12:18] <dooglus> nern, I got that much.  what's the problem?  did you add a line to /etc/fstab already?
[12:18] <joh> zoddan: the url I gave you.
[12:18] <joh> runedude: hmm...
[12:18] <joh> runedude: is this a dvd?
[12:18] <runedude> nope
[12:18] <zoddan> joh: where ?
[12:18] <runedude> cdr
[12:18] <joh> runedude: how large is it?
[12:18] <runedude> erm
[12:18] <nern> dooglus: yeah the only part i need help with is the options, i have everything else right
[12:18] <runedude> let me look @ the cd
[12:18] <joh> zoddan: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FontInstallHowto
[12:18] <mello> sevets: mp3s are patented, that's why
[12:19] <runedude> It's a 700MB CDR
[12:19] <runedude> Verbatim
[12:19] <mello> sevets: a fresh Ubuntu install is completely free and unpatented
[12:19] <sevets> mello: well ofcourse
[12:19] <joh> runedude: how large is the iso?
[12:19] <dooglus> nern: if you don't put "noauto" as an option, it should be automatically mounted.
[12:19] <runedude> About 614MB
[12:19] <sevets> mello, the music player says it can play mp3
[12:19] <dooglus> nern: umount it, then run "mount -a" - does it get mounted?
[12:19] <joh> runedude: should work then...
[12:19] <runedude> sevets: yeh, but, your soundcard probably isnt supported..
[12:19] <Johnnyfav> runedude: E: Package nvidia-kernel has no installation candidate
[12:19] <mello> sevets: http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[12:20] <runedude> joh: hm, yea, should, i had a few troubles with this writer on Windows.
[12:20] <mello> try that
[12:20] <sevets> runedude, by the music player? Because sounds are coming through the speakers
[12:20] <sevets> thanks mello
[12:20] <zoddan> joh: i said thats not it
[12:20] <mello> yep
[12:20] <zoddan> joh: its wrong
[12:20] <nern> dooglus: what I really need is to know what options will enable all users to read and write the drive
[12:20] <runedude> Johnnyfav: erm... well.. I am pretty sure thats what I installed..
[12:20] <mello> i'm waiting to see what breezey has for multimedia
[12:20] <KragenSitaker> ugh, now the bug tracking system won't consent to send updates to a bug to my work address because I created the account with my home addres
[12:20] <zoddan> joh: i have seen another, cant remeber the URL, and it works mutch better and simpler
[12:20] <mello> hoary is a son of a gun when it comes to movies/music
[12:20] <runedude> heh, well, sevets make sure you are using the correct output plugin ;-)
[12:20] <mello> i would love a fresh install of breezey..
[12:20] <crimsun> KragenSitaker: just add your work address to the CC?
[12:21] <KragenSitaker> i tried.  it complains that it doesn't "match anything."
[12:21] <ghatak> System Monitor shows memory usage = 89.5MB, if i start top. it shows memory usage = 147mb . what does thtis mean
[12:21] <nern> mello: hoary isnt mean... all it took for me to be fully functional was apt-get install totem-xine w32codecs
[12:21] <runedude> joh: as i mentioned, i have had several issues with this CDWriter on Windows, and just tried a new box I got.... Not working in a nutshell.
[12:21] <sevets> runedude, haha well I shall check that out I suppose
[12:21] <runedude> :)
[12:21] <mello> breezy*
[12:21] <dooglus> nern: I don't think you need any options for that.  I use these:  /dev/sda5 /mnt/fat   vfat noauto,user,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-1,uid=1000,codepage=850 0 0     and it's fine for me
[12:21] <Parallaxx> anyone can tell me a linux for a server on a Pentium 133 with 64 EDO-RAM??
[12:21] <mello> nern: point taken.. i b0rked it hard last time around
[12:22] <runedude> I recommend xmms for mp3s, it has a VERY nice way to input/and output but, any mp3 player you are using probably has a preferences section.
[12:22] <nern> dooglus k thx man ill try that
[12:22] <mello> nern: ubuntu is an experiment for me
[12:22] <KragenSitaker> paralaxx: something that doesn't involve X, if possible
[12:22] <Parallaxx> I know
[12:22] <dooglus> nern: I have 'noauto' mind.
[12:22] <Parallaxx>  KragenSitaker: but I cant find one
[12:22] <joh> zoddan: it's "wrong"? what's that supposed to mean? I don't know which page you read before.
[12:22] <KragenSitaker> you could probably install debian with no X
[12:23] <dooglus> and I don't know why I have 'uid=1000' - there's no such user on this OS
[12:23] <zoddan> joh: well thats not it i used before
[12:23] <joh> zoddan: can't help you then.
[12:23] <norm_> hi - i've described a problem with my WLAN/WPA at http://pub.mcnally.dk/ubuntu_wpa_question.txt - i'd appreciate if someone with a little knowledge about Intel Pro Wireless 2200bg, ubuntu and WPA could take a look at it
[12:23] <zoddan> ...
[12:23] <runedude> joh: I contacted HP support and they had no idea what was wrong, they just told me to check out settings on Windows... that didnt work ofcourse :\ I think the drive is screwed up totally.
[12:23] <caine> hey i can only open gnutella from terminal at the moment...is it possible to create a shortcut for it on my desktop
[12:24] <[koji] > zoddan: tried this? http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrafonts
[12:24] <raDeon> WHO CALLED ME
[12:24] <RuffianSoldier> GRRR
[12:24] <runedude> caine: sure, make a sh script on ~/Desktop , and inside it put "gnutella"
[12:24] <RuffianSoldier> im getting mad
[12:24] <zoddan> [koji] : thats not it
[12:25] <joh> runedude: try without -overburn ?
[12:25] <caine> rune: how?
[12:25] <runedude> Oh wait I apologize
[12:25] <runedude> Thats not how.
[12:25] <runedude> joh: yeh, i added that originally and posted the log of that
[12:26] <zoddan> joh: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20976
[12:26] <zoddan> joh: there you got it
[12:26] <caine> i know how to make a shortcut for a folder and a launcher but how do i make the shortcut something i only know how to open through terminal
[12:26] <joh> zoddan: ok
[12:26] <runedude> caine: right, look at this http://69.64.39.174/mozillafirefox.desktop < that's a pretty good example of how to do it, thats my firefox example
[12:27] <runedude> Just change the options, like the EXEC path
[12:27] <caine> k
[12:27] <joh> runedude: but did you try *without* -overburn?
[12:27] <runedude> joh: without -overburn returns a error that the media isnt big enough, sorry, i misread
[12:27] <eddlandos> hehe
[12:27] <spanglesontoast> mirc works
[12:28] <eddlandos> I'll die now
[12:28] <eddlandos> hehe
[12:28] <joh> runedude: oh, that indicates that the drive is not working properly. This was a 64M iso?
[12:28] <runedude> joh: no, its a 614MB is :)
[12:28] <runedude> iso*
[12:29] <joh> runedude: oh, right. Should work anyways. So my guess is that the drive is not reporting to the OS it is able to write anything at all.
[12:29] <runedude> joh: yea.... :( unfortunatly, i have no idea how to fix this issue.
[12:29] <joh> runedude: have you tried with another cd burner?
[12:29] <runedude> I only have one cdwriter, joh :S
[12:29] <nern> dooglus: worked great thanks alot
[12:30] <runedude> I'll try a starwars quote here, for HP, "The force isnt with them"
[12:30] <joh> runedude: ok... but this *might* be a problem with cdrecord itself. Not sure.
[12:30] <joh> runedude: hehe
[12:30] <runedude> joh: doubt it, i had the same problems on windows with countless applications
[12:30] <dooglus> nern, ok.  I don't know what bit did the trick, but glad it worked :)
[12:30] <tonybaloney867> i'm new to ubuntu. How do i disable GPG checking the server's signature?
[12:31] <joh> runedude: oh, ok.
[12:31] <runedude> this is a different machine, too
[12:31] <fabs> hello
[12:31] <runedude> hiya fabs
[12:31] <joh> runedude: I guess you just have to buy a new one then :(
[12:31] <fabs> runedude, hello :)
[12:31] <runedude> joh: lol.. hm.. wonder if i can smash the  drive first
[12:32] <runedude> maybe I should open it up and toy with its screws and stuff
[12:32] <fabs> how u doing guys?
[12:32] <joh> runedude: haha, just throw it out of the window.
[12:32] <runedude> heh, might hit our dog :P
[12:32] <joh> runedude: if it was a hard-drive, you could make two speakers out of it ;)
[12:32] <runedude> heh
[12:32] <runedude> i have headphones :P
[12:32] <joh> runedude: oh, that's not good.
[12:32] <joh> runedude: hehe
[12:32] <runedude> hang on ill try to open it
[12:33] <runedude> im going to get out of this ssh session and irc from my desktop
[12:33] <runedude> brb
[12:33] <joh> runedude: so you've never actually been able to write with it properly?
[12:34] <qweeq> ho
[12:34] <qweeq> hi
[12:34] <fabs> qweeq, hi
[12:34] <qweeq> for some reason i cant run live cd amd 64
[12:34] <joh> runedude: so you've never actually been able to write with it properly?
[12:34] <qweeq> its hwaurong
[12:34] <qweeq> hoary
[12:34] <joh> :P
[12:34] <runedude> joh: nope
[12:34] <joh> runedude: not even in windows?
[12:35] <psychonate> hmm
[12:35] <runedude> had alot of trouble with it (it used to be in my moms computer, but never worked there either)
[12:35] <runedude> joh: nope, no where
[12:35] <qweeq> can some one help me with live cd amd 64
[12:35] <psychonate> grip keeps telling me I'm trying to use an invalid encoder executable
[12:35] <joh> runedude: I guess you shouldn't break it then :P send it back and ask for a replacement.
[12:35] <anto9us> runedude: have you got the latest firmware in it?
[12:35] <psychonate> oggenc should work fine though
[12:35] <runedude> joh: its a old model
[12:36] <joh> runedude: oh, too bad.
[12:36] <runedude> and anto9us , firmware isnt free w/ hp, i would have to pay them for a new driver CD:S
[12:36] <qweeq> anyone wanna help me
[12:36] <caine> hey what is the killall command
[12:36] <anto9us> runedude: I remember a few years ago fixing an HP Writer by doing a firmware upgrade, there were lots of problems with some early models
[12:36] <caine> killall....
[12:37] <runedude> hmm
[12:37] <caine> i need to killall mozilla
[12:37] <runedude> well, i have no firmware:(
[12:37] <caine> but im not typing it correctly
[12:37] <runedude> caine: killall mozilla-bin perhaps?
[12:37] <runedude> i know mozilla firefox is firefox-bin
[12:37] <runedude> you can do ps aux | grep mozilla
[12:38] <runedude> and kill those pids
[12:38] <joh> runedude: HP isn't giving out firmware upgrades for free!?
[12:38] <caine> nope
[12:38] <anto9us> runedude: try HP tech support, they may let you have firmware for free if you plead poverty and tell them how lovely they are and all that :)
[12:38] <runedude> joh: they used to, but lost money perhaps by giving fixes to their own crappy models that never worked!
[12:38] <xyzx> Hey Folks what is the best way to provide remote access to my ubuntu/webserver to upload html etc. files?
[12:38] <joh> anto9us: haha, that's not gonna work :p
[12:38] <joh> runedude: heh
[12:38] <anto9us> joh: it might :)
[12:38] <runedude> now you have to pay to get a cdwriter that works, when you should have got it the first time you bought it!
[12:39] <joh> anto9us: doubt it, tech-support-people are evil.
[12:39] <qweeq> hi pls help i wanna run ubuntu 64 live cd
[12:39] <nern> qweeq: whats the prob
[12:39] <joh> runedude: there are laws about that you know :P but not if your cd writer here is very old.
[12:39] <fabs> qweeq, explain
[12:40] <joh> bye nurv...
[12:40] <anto9us> runedude: in UK faulty goods can be claimed against up to 6 years after purchase, don't know the case for you.
[12:40] <runedude> im a US resident :S
[12:40] <joh> anto9us: doesn't that depend on the expected lifetime of the goods in subject?
[12:40] <xinud> after installing kubuntu on amd64 with soft-raid , raid md0 and md1 device fail ? any suggestions
[12:41] <JasonF> I've learned that tele tech support people do exactly what you want
[12:41] <joh> xinud: check the logs?
[12:41] <JasonF> if you talk loudly and firmly from first word
[12:41] <anto9us> joh: yes, and also depends on how much use
[12:41] <joh> JasonF: haha, I've never experienced that :P
[12:41] <joh> anto9us: yep, same here in Norway.
[12:41] <JasonF> joh: I've never failed to get what I want from a tech support rep
[12:41] <anto9us> fact is, companies don't like losing goodwill and especially when it would cost them nothing
[12:41] <qweeq> nern i have zv6000 hp laptop when i boot live cd with no pARAMETERS it lokcs up
[12:42] <anto9us> HP are a good and reputable company in my experience
[12:42] <joh> JasonF: then I guess you're lucky ;) or just very good.
[12:42] <spanglesontoast> how do I install flash for firefox?
[12:42] <nern> qweeq: hmmm, and it has a 64 bit processor youre sure?
[12:42] <JasonF> joh: the latter
[12:42] <qweeq> neer thats what says in my computer protperties
[12:43] <joh> JasonF: So if I need something from tech support, I'll just contact you then? :p
[12:43] <admx> Anyone know when backports will be up?
[12:43] <nern> admx the backports are fune
[12:43] <snowseal> nvidia drivers, can i apt them?
[12:43] <nern> admx fine*
[12:43] <mello6> yep
[12:43] <joh> snowseal: they're in linux-restricted-modules
[12:43] <snowseal> cewl
[12:44] <admx> did the address change
[12:44] <joh> btw, anyone got java working on ppc?
[12:44] <nern> admx you should use the mirrormax ones those work great for me
[12:44] <psychonate> argh, wtf is wrong with grip
[12:44] <JasonF> joh: I charge $50/hr consulting
[12:44] <JasonF> feel free to hire me
[12:44] <runedude> joh: well, after 10 minutes of tinkering with the writer, i got it open
[12:44] <JasonF> lol
[12:44] <runedude> lol
[12:45] <admx> Will give that a try. Thz
[12:45] <joh> JasonF: haha, :p
[12:46] <nern> admx: yeah i just checked and they are working fine..
[12:46] <xinud> joh, cat /proc/mdstat tell me that md0 md1 are resync = ... 234.2 min...
[12:46] <tidalwav1> anyone know why sound in VLC media player doesn't work?
[12:47] <qweeq> nern still there can you help
[12:47] <joh> xinud: ok, they're resyncing then. Wait 234.2 mins then :P the time remaining does change, doesn't it?
[12:47] <joh> JasonF: do I get my money back if you fail to get what I want from the tech support? :p
[12:47] <JasonF> joh: no
[12:47] <joh> JasonF: thought so :P
[12:47] <tidalwav1> I'll take that as  no. :(
[12:48] <nern> qweeq: well if you are certain that you have a 64 bit processor then you should be ok, but you might try using the fbdev xdrvr instead
[12:48] <xinud> joh, indeed
[12:48] <Stereo> hi folks
[12:48] <xinud> joh, soi have to wait
[12:48] <joh> xinud: yup
[12:49] <runedude> joh: well, guess i wont be able to write a cd for a long time, LOL.. anyways, erm... maybe i should try distrobutions with floppy installs
[12:49] <xinud> joh, and reboot after resync is done
[12:49] <runedude> atm, i only have a ubuntu disk and gentoo
[12:49] <joh> runedude: oh, that's sad :p
[12:49] <joh> xinud: no need for reboot
[12:49] <runedude> joh: yea, sad that hp wont give you a working product
[12:49] <dooglus> any 'Wine' users here?
[12:49] <joh> runedude: did the writer work before?
[12:49] <joh> dooglus: yes.
[12:49] <joh> dooglus: to a certain extent that is.
[12:50] <dooglus> joh: do you know if Macromedia's "shockwave" (not "flash") works in Wine?
[12:50] <nern> i never use wine
[12:50] <jdiamond> i'm not able to install binfmt-support with synaptic. it's giving me a 404 Not Found when it tries to download it. any ideas?
[12:50] <qweeq> nern what do those option do?
[12:50] <Stereo> I met a french bloke on the train today, he maintains gnome for ubuntu. I just realised I gave him wrong contact details, and I can't for the life of me remember his name. Is there anywhere I could find out who he is? I already tried http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/gnome/gnome but that seems to be mostly debian people
[12:51] <nern> qweeq: well i believe the boot parameter would be xdrvr=fbdev ... that is going to tell ubuntu to use the fbdev driver for display rather than vesa, this is sometimes what you have to do on laptops
[12:51] <joh> dooglus: hmm, not sure. Have you checked the wine appdb?
[12:51] <runedude> joh: nope, the writer never worked..
[12:52] <dooglus> joh: could you try visiting http://www.isketch.net/isketch.shtml in Wine?  do you see a login screen?
[12:52] <runedude> dooglus: it wont work on linux
[12:53] <dooglus> runedude: why not?
[12:53] <runedude> unless you get ceoffice (30 day trial out there)
[12:53] <joh> dooglus: sorry, I'm running on ppc where there is *no* flash support :(
[12:53] <joh> runedude: crossover office?
[12:53] <runedude> Because, macromedia didnt port shockwave to linux, and wont
[12:53] <nern> you can get crossover office off of mininova.org
[12:53] <runedude> joh: yea, that
[12:53] <joh> runedude: yep, thought so.
[12:53] <dooglus> runedude: I'm asking about WINE...
[12:53] <spanglesontoast> shockwave never needed it
[12:53] <runedude> and even crossover office blows at shockwave, cant even do ANYTHING lol.
[12:53] <runedude> nope
[12:53] <joh> dooglus: coffice *is* wine.
[12:53] <dooglus> runedude: it shouldn't need porting if you use WINE, right?
[12:53] <runedude> ^ what joh said
[12:54] <dooglus> joh: I don't think it is.  WINE is free, and coffice isn't
[12:54] <joh> dooglus: coffice is a tweaked version of wine.
[12:54] <runedude> coffice is made with wine
[12:54] <runedude> :P
[12:54] <joh> yep :P
[12:54] <runedude> joh: this cdwriter will make a nice warm fire for me to warm upto tonight :)
[12:54] <dooglus> I used to use Win4Lin - that worked fine, apart from rendering fonts.
[12:55] <dooglus> all letters in a shockwave app showed up as empty boxes
[12:55] <iratsu_> I get the following error when I try runnign pppoeconf on my box: Sorry, I scanned 1 interface, but the Access Concentrator of your provider did not respond. Please check your network and modem cables. Another reason for the scan failure may also be another running pppoe process which controls the modem
[12:56] <joh> runedude: it will!? I didn't know cd writers made good fire"wood"
[12:56] <runedude> :p
[12:56] <runedude> joh: if it cant, ill burn it anyways:P
[12:56] <joh> runedude: hehe :P then send it to HP
[12:57] <runedude> joh: maybe i should burn it, then put it in a baggy, and send it to them :P
[12:57] <joh> runedude: with a note attached: "This drive is broken, please send a new one"
[12:57] <joh> runedude: yeah, sounds like a good idea.
[12:57] <runedude> like I'm going to pay to get a new product that should have worked? nah.. doubt it :S
[12:58] <runedude> pfft, i just want to burn cds.. am i asking for much? lol
[12:58] <joh> runedude: well, never buy another product from HP, that's for sure.
[12:59] <joh> runedude: also, I've not had a plesant experience with asus cd writers.
[12:59] <anto9us> joh: that counts out compaq and lexmark badged products too then
[12:59] <joh> anto9us: well, yes :p
[01:01] <anto9us> I've always found HP to be a good manufacturer myself, never liked lexmark though
[01:02] <runedude> grr.. well, now the case wont go back on
[01:02] <runedude> brb, im gonna try to find another cdwriter, lol
[01:04] <P229> can ubuntu be installed onto an LVM volume?
[01:05] <crimsun> P229: yes
[01:05] <P229> crimsun: thanks
[01:05] <snowseal> linux-restricted-modules not found :(
[01:05] <anto9us> P229: you'll need to put /boot outside the LVM
[01:05] <Jrwa> Hi all. I can't find help on the spanish chanel, I hope you can give me a hint
[01:05] <runedude> well, joh, im out a cdwriter, lmao
[01:05] <crimsun> snowseal: you need to append $(uname -r)
[01:05] <runedude> the drive wont go back in
[01:05] <snowseal> k
[01:05] <runedude> the tray i mean
[01:06] <P229> anto9us: hmmm, I see
[01:06] <nate__> wearing leiderhosen and clogs while yodeling and typing on irc
[01:06] <nate__> the typical swede
[01:06] <qweeq> hi
[01:06] <Jrwa> I'm on a kubuntu hoary, and its mounting my dvd on different locations. It's changed from /dev/dvd, to /media/cdrom0 and now to /media/hdc. Isn't it possible to set it to a permanent place or what...?
[01:06] <qweeq> how do i get my keyboard working on ubuntu what parameters should i use
[01:06] <spanglesontoast> is nessus good?
[01:06] <nate__> nessus is very good
[01:07] <crimsun> Jrwa: /dev/dvd should work
[01:07] <nate__> so is nmap
[01:07] <runedude> hrm
[01:07] <spanglesontoast> is it a good idea to install it?
[01:07] <qweeq> nern still there
[01:07] <Jrwa> crimsun, it doesnt. the folder does not exist, neither when I mount the dvd
[01:07] <runedude> well, joh know any good distrobutions that can install via floppy disk ( i have quite a few of those ;P ), and er.. other than debian, or bse
[01:07] <runedude> bsd*
[01:07] <nate__> spanglesontoast, depends on what you're gonna do with it.  if you plan on being dumb and hacking others, then its a bad idea
[01:07] <psychonate> I know Jrwa /dev/dvd is not a mount point
[01:07] <psychonate> er, "I know" wasn't supposed to be there lol
[01:08] <Jrwa> where should I be able to find it then? I can't set a folder on my media player settings, because its always changing!
[01:08] <qweeq> rundude windows distroction xp
[01:08] <crimsun> Jrwa: do you have an /etc/udev/cd-aliases.rules?
[01:08] <psychonate> You don't use the mount point for XINE, mplayer, etc.
[01:08] <Jrwa> let me see
[01:08] <winston> is there a way to activate the ssh daemon on startup?
[01:08] <crimsun> Jrwa: err, make that /etc/udev/rules.d/cd-aliases.rules
[01:08] <psychonate> Jrwa, you typically tell media players which DEVICE FILE to use
[01:08] <carthik> winston, read up on update-rc.d
[01:08] <psychonate> not mountpoint
[01:09] <joh> winston: it should already be.
[01:09] <crimsun> winston: just install openssh-server
[01:09] <nate__> winston, add a script to init.d?
[01:09] <joh> winston: check for /etc/rc*.d/*ssh* symlinks.
[01:09] <carthik> winston, update-rc.d -f <name of service> should add it to the startup scripts
[01:09] <psychonate> Jrwa, and most will use /dev/dvd by default, so link your device file to /dev/dvd if /dev/dvd does not already exist.
[01:09] <crimsun> installing openssh-server takes care of all that
[01:09] <runedude> qweeq: huh?
[01:09] <spanglesontoast> well I'm just wondering what people use it for
[01:09] <joh> crimsun: yep
[01:09] <carthik> winston, what crimsun said is true :)
[01:09] <nern> qweeq: im still here
[01:09] <joh> spanglesontoast: explore networks.
[01:09] <qweeq> windows distroction xp thats a good distrobution that can install via floppy disk
[01:10] <runedude> perhaps another gentoo install will be fun, lol
[01:10] <qweeq> or windows distroction dos
[01:10] <psychonate> Jrwa, do you see what I mean?
[01:10] <Jrwa> crimsun theres no cd-aliases.rules
[01:10] <Jrwa> psychonate, kaffeine ask me for a folder, I think
[01:10] <crimsun> Jrwa: in /etc/udev/rules.d/ ?
[01:10] <nate__> spanglesontoast, to detect vulnerablilities in systems
[01:10] <nern> qweeq: someone else with some more experience with the live cds can help more if i couldnt... i havent ever used one of the ubuntu livecds, just mepis, knoppix, kanotix, and DSL
[01:10] <Jrwa> just udev.rules file
[01:10] <crimsun> Jrwa: did you dist-upgrade from Warty, or did you install cleanly?
[01:10] <psychonate> Jrwa, for what? for watching DVDs?
[01:10] <nate__> spanglesontoast, its a short jump from detecting vulnerabilities to exploiting vulnerabilities
[01:11] <psychonate> You shouldn't need to know the mount point for that.
[01:11] <nufan> Can anyone help me with helping out on the wiki?
[01:11] <Jrwa> psychonate, yes for watching a DVD
[01:11] <spanglesontoast> so it could keep my machine nice an secure
[01:11] <Jrwa> I updated from Warty
[01:11] <spanglesontoast> but other people may use it for their own pleasure?
[01:11] <psychonate> nah, kaffeine should just need to know which device file
[01:11] <psychonate> What *exactly* does it ask you for (exact wording)?
[01:11] <carthik> nufan, try joining #ubuntu-doc -- someone there helped me once before
[01:12] <crimsun> Jrwa: sudo ln -s /etc/udev/cd-aliases.rules /etc/udev/rules.d/.
[01:12] <Jrwa> dvd.device (device used for DVD playback)
[01:12] <nern> nufan: are you a fan of NUFAN?
[01:12] <Jrwa> ok
[01:12] <bhankins> Got a copy of the liveCD from a co-worker, this is pretty impressive.
[01:12] <nate__> spanglesontoast, you could use from another machine on your machine to detect vulnerabilities, thats about it
[01:12] <psychonate> Jrwa, there you go: It wants the DEVICE file
[01:12] <nufan> nern: No Use For A Name? Sort of
[01:12] <psychonate> Jrwa, not the mount point
[01:12] <nern> nufan: yeah they are ok, but there is always better :)
[01:12] <crimsun> Jrwa: after you do that, sudo invoke-rc.d udev restart
[01:12] <psychonate> Jrwa, so, give it the device file
[01:12] <spanglesontoast> so it would only be good for a server/
[01:12] <spanglesontoast> ?
[01:13] <nate__> spanglesontoast, it might be illegal to have it outside of a business or lab environment though
[01:13] <Jrwa> psychonate, but I dont know where to find it
[01:13] <nate__> spanglesontoast, no, its good for any machine that you want to use to detect vulnerabilities on other machines
[01:13] <Jrwa> crimsun, ok, done ^^
[01:13] <crimsun> Jrwa: just follow my instructions
[01:13] <spanglesontoast> ah
[01:13] <nate__> spanglesontoast, you pick a target and it tests it for vulnerabilities
[01:13] <psychonate> Jrwa, /dev/dvd does not exist? If not, link your existing device file for that drive to /dev/dvd/.
[01:13] <crimsun> Jrwa: you should have a /dev/dvd
[01:14] <psychonate> and just tell it /dev/dvd
[01:14] <nate__> spanglesontoast, its a short jump from that to hacking, so be careful.  In some places even testing others for vulnerabilities is illegal, i believe
[01:14] <Jrwa> yes I do
[01:14] <spanglesontoast> shame my k6 doesn't work with ubuntu
[01:14] <crimsun> Jrwa: then you're all set.
[01:14] <Jrwa> let me try!
[01:15] <Jrwa> oook, it works perfectly now
[01:15] <runedude> joh: you k onw, I tried a yamaha drive once, didnt work either :(
[01:15] <Jrwa> thank you very much (english channel is much better than the spanish one :P)
[01:15] <crimsun> of course it does. It's an old dist-upgrade issue. :)
[01:15] <winston> ok tried to install open ssh but says it depends on openssh-client (=1:4.0p1-1) but 1:3.9p1-1ubuntu2 is to be insstalled
[01:15] <spanglesontoast> you talking to me crimsun?
[01:15] <crimsun> winston: get rid of external repos and update
[01:16] <crimsun> spanglesontoast: no, to Jrwa
[01:16] <winston> except its already installed
[01:16] <winston> repos?
[01:16] <crimsun> winston: prime example of why using external repos is bad
[01:16] <joh> runedude: eh? :(
[01:16] <winston> whats a repos?
[01:16] <anto9us> spanglesontoast: pretty much most you have to worry about is plusnet's terms of use if you're going to use nessus over the internet.
[01:16] <crimsun> winston: apt-cache policy openssh-client
[01:16] <P229> anto9us: how about if I add ubuntu to my existing grub menu (which is in /boot outside LVM)? would ubuntu's /boot still need to be outside LVM?
[01:17] <spanglesontoast> hey
[01:17] <spanglesontoast> anto9us
[01:17] <spanglesontoast> how oyu know I'm using that?
[01:17] <anto9us> spanglesontoast: that should read.. in plusnet's terms of use
[01:17] <winston> crimsun yeah? anything else?
[01:17] <winston> crimsun: yeah? anything else?
[01:17] <anto9us> P229: if I understood you correctly, yes
[01:18] <crimsun> winston: paste in #flood
[01:18] <spanglesontoast> anto who you know I'm on plusnet
[01:18] <Johnnyfav> how do you set the openGL resolution?
[01:18] <anto9us> spanglesontoast: your domain name :)
[01:18] <runedude> joh: yea.. well, i didnt do anything in depth... only at default didnt work.. my dad has a cdwriter in his laptop, but very little he lets me write a cd
[01:19] <joh> runedude: so you tried another cd writer on the same system as the HP, and it didn't work either?
[01:19] <spanglesontoast> oh ok
[01:19] <runedude> joh: err.. believe so
[01:19] <runedude> it was like err... a few months ago
[01:19] <runedude> but
[01:19] <joh> runedude: then it's probably not the cd writer..
[01:19] <joh> runedude: which version of cdrecord?
[01:20] <runedude> joh: the thing is, now I put it into my server box (atm it used to be on my desktop box) , and it wont work on my server OR desktop
[01:20] <runedude> err lemme check
[01:20] <joh> runedude: but it used to work on your desktop? :p
[01:20] <runedude> nope
[01:20] <runedude> nothing worked on my desktop
[01:20] <runedude> both writers
[01:20] <runedude> joh: hang on , i got my server apart.. let me rewire it
[01:20] <spanglesontoast> impair the security of the system and/or the network used to provide the Service; or
[01:20] <spanglesontoast> I suppose that covers it
[01:21] <bhankins> Would anyone happen to know if the d-link wireless G card DWL-510 V.B1 would work in Ubuntu? I checked the wiki section and its not specifically mentioned. I do know that it uses the Atheros chipset and works with madwifi.
[01:21] <joh> runedude: have you tried using another program such as cdrdao to write a cd? just for testing?
[01:21] <crimsun> winston: do not mix debian experimental and ubuntu hoary!
[01:21] <joh> bhankins: checked the madwifi websites?
[01:21] <runedude> joh: nope
[01:22] <runedude> but i doubt i can do anything w/ the writer, i kinda screwed it up when i was taking it apart (it was very hard to take apart)
[01:22] <joh> runedude: try that perhaps. (cdrdao is for audio cds)
[01:22] <joh> runedude: oh, this is the same driver?
[01:22] <runedude> er, yes
[01:22] <joh> runedude: I thought you said this was a different one :P
[01:22] <crimsun> winston: otherwise you'll have to pass an explicit version to aptitude/apt-get
[01:22] <P229> anto9us: thank you
[01:22] <runedude> nope, i was saying awhile ago i used to have another drive ;)
[01:22] <anto9us> P229: np :)
[01:23] <runedude> but its long gone now (the yamaha)
[01:23] <joh> runedude: oh, phew :P
[01:23] <bhankins> joh: yes, I couldn't really tell if hoary already came with madwifi though.
[01:24] <benjamin23> anyone here having a problem playing shoutcast streams from amarok?
[01:24] <runedude> joh: maybe my best bet is to use floppies :(
[01:24] <winston> crimsun: right I need a prog that was still experiemental, I switched my sources .list back, should I paste again?
[01:24] <joh> runedude: maybe try netinstall?
[01:25] <crimsun> winston: no need. Just pass an explict version to aptitude/apt-get
[01:25] <runedude> joh: heh.. of what?
[01:25] <joh> bhankins: hmm, I think linux-restricted-modules has madwifi.
[01:25] <rancorus> How does one get pppoe set up on ubuntu?
[01:25] <runedude> netinstalls are a quirk for me, since i have cable and fast dl rate
[01:25] <joh> runedude: ubuntu? :p
[01:26] <winston> crimsun: not sure what you mean?
[01:26] <nern> netinstalls rule
[01:26] <runedude> joh: they have netinstall via floppy?
[01:26] <joh> runedude: not sure...
[01:26] <runedude> heres the thing, atm i have ubuntu 5.04 cd, :P
[01:26] <crimsun> winston: sudo aptitude install openssh-server=1:4.0p1-1
[01:26] <nern> before switching to ubuntu i was all about the debian sarge-netinstall cd
[01:26] <Razor-X> how would you go about creating a Live CD in general?
[01:26] <runedude> I've been wanting to try a different distro tho, no offense to ubuntu, I LOVE ubuntu and thinks its a very good server platform.
[01:26] <nern> i liked to edit the sources.list file so that i would install sid with kde 3.4
[01:26] <runedude> on my desktop i use gentoo
[01:26] <nern> that was when i used kde though
[01:27] <bhankins> joh: thanks I will research into the restricted modules.
[01:27] <runedude> now, i have err, a livecd
[01:27] <joh> bhankins: np, just apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` or something.
[01:27] <Razor-X> bur[n] er: i'm a gonna check that out
[01:28] <runedude> I have gentoo as a livecd, so.. er.. maybe I can like uhm, install via that even for slackware stuff( wow, this is getting tricky for me to compile into a good wording)
[01:28] <winston> crimsun: I figured out my prob, I had switched sources.list so Synaptic was naturrally confused
[01:28] <winston> crimsun: I just installed the ssh-server
[01:28] <bhankins> joh,  your right thanks alot, it looks like restricted modules are on by default in the liveCD, so I should be able to tell before I install the real thing. Thanks again.
[01:28] <Razor-X> I saw the front page
[01:28] <winston> crimsun: do I need to configure something from here?
[01:29] <Razor-X> what does it include... I wonder...
[01:29] <crimsun> winston: no
[01:29] <bur[n] er> Razor-X: ibuild is a gui to make morphix-based cds
[01:29] <crimsun> winston: (you want openssh-server)
[01:29] <bur[n] er> Razor-X: but it could be expanded to use ubuntu sources
[01:29] <qweeq> hi
[01:29] <benjamin23> anyone here use amarok
[01:29] <runedude> well, i have all of the CentOS cds downloaded
[01:29] <benjamin23> i need help trying to play http streams
[01:30] <benjamin23> they never open
[01:30] <galactic2> can someone help me with a grub problem?
[01:30] <nern> no qt progs here
[01:30] <qweeq> i was able to boot ubuntu and see the splash screen and my mouse cursor but all of a sudden the mouse got stuck and wont move can someoe help me
[01:30] <nern> except k3b
[01:30] <bur[n] er> Razor-X: also check out mmaker and isomorph from the morphix project (they are more easily expanded to use ubuntu)
[01:30] <benjamin23> it says connecting server, and then just gives up
[01:30] <qweeq> hi nern pls help
[01:30] <joh> bhankins: no problem!
[01:30] <benjamin23> is there a special port amarok uses?
[01:30] <galactic2> my bootloader's freezing on the word "grub"
[01:30] <runedude> brb (again)
[01:30] <nern> qweeq: ok whats the model of yer laptop again?
[01:30] <rancorus> How does one get pppoe set up on ubuntu?
[01:31] <qweeq> nern its hp zv 6000
[01:31] <qweeq> its got amd 64
[01:32] <Razor-X> no, I guess Ibuild isn't the thing for me
[01:32] <Razor-X> I'm a thinking I'm gonna work on a DSL live CD
[01:33] <geargolem> any midi musicians here?
[01:33] <qweeq> nern still there
[01:33] <Razor-X> (yes I add in the "a" on purpose)
[01:33] <qweeq> is broadcom wireless supported under linux
[01:34] <nern> can anybody with more experience with the live cds maybe give qweeq here a hand? i dont know what the prob is...
[01:34] <Razor-X> geargolem: not really a MIDI musician, but I know how it works, and i've tracked before
[01:34] <nern> qweeq: whats happening when you try to boot it
[01:34] <galactic2> can someone help me with a grub problem?
[01:34] <Razor-X> galactic2: what's going wrong?
[01:34] <galactic2> my bootloader's freezing on the word "grub"
[01:34] <winston> crimsun: thanks a lot, it works
[01:34] <geargolem> Razor-X,  do you use Brahms as an editor?
[01:35] <nasti> hey anyone help with putting a game in the game menu
[01:35] <qweeq> well i saw the splash screen of ubuntu and at that time the mouse was still working a couple of cpu cycles then boom mouse got stucked and the system locked up
[01:35] <Razor-X> geargolem: like I said, i'm not very versed in music, just have a small bit of experience in it
[01:35] <Razor-X> galactic2: send me your GRUB config
[01:35] <geargolem> Razor-X,  same.
[01:35] <Razor-X> or rather, cat it to pastebin
[01:36] <Razor-X> geargolem: no, I don't use Brahms
[01:36] <galactic2> heres my situation ... iv got a RAID array with 2 SATA hard drives on which xp is installed, managed by monterhboard RAID
[01:36] <galactic2> i have a third SATA HDD on which i put ubuntu
[01:36] <geargolem> can midi instrument SOUNDS be ported between sequencers?
[01:36] <galactic2> im trying to use ntldr to boot grub
[01:36] <nern> qweeq: hmm i really dont know... i dont have much experience with the ubuntu live cds like i said :/ so im sorry i dont know... someone here should be able to help you
[01:36] <qweeq> k thanks
[01:36] <galactic2> right now, grub boots if i tell the bios to boot from the third hdd
[01:37] <nasti> anyone know how to put things in the Applications menu
[01:37] <galactic2> but if i try to boot it with ntldr using the file i copied with dd, it crashes on grub
[01:37] <nasti> using a .desktop file
[01:37] <Razor-X> geargolem: not the sounds themselves, MIDI just stores the notes
[01:37] <anto9us> galactic2: it's normally done the other way around, ntldr from grub
[01:37] <Razor-X> geargolem: you'll want something lossless to store the music itself
[01:37] <qweeq> anyone knows why ubuntu crashes on boot? i was able to se the splash screen but all of a sudden my system locks up at the splash screen display. pls help
[01:37] <Razor-X> galactic2: it's NTLDR booted from GRUB
[01:37] <geargolem> Razor-X,  I'm talking about Brahms ability to edit scores
[01:37] <Razor-X> geargolem: I'm not sure, sorry -_-
[01:38] <runedude> NTLDR *shivers* isnt that windows?
[01:38] <galactic2> no im using ntldr to boot grub
[01:38] <geargolem> Razor-X,  you can use different voices for your notes i.e. piano, bass slap bass, guitar
[01:38] <galactic2> because grub wont recognize my RAID partition
[01:38] <geargolem> Razor-X, just trying to find more voices
[01:38] <Razor-X> runedude: yes, it is
[01:38] <runedude> :o
[01:38] <zoddan> ok my X cannot start
[01:38] <Razor-X> galactic2: i'l bet it can, and if not, something else can
[01:38] <zoddan> how do i reconfigure it ?
[01:38] <runedude> I had a boot error w/ it once, and it well, err.. never worked
[01:38] <zoddan> i cannot login as root in the console
[01:38] <runedude> zoddan: Xorg -configure
[01:39] <zoddan> so how do i do ?
[01:39] <runedude> I had to reinstall windows:(
[01:39] <Razor-X> geargolem: like I said, i'm not sure :\
[01:39] <galactic2> its NVRAID
[01:39] <galactic2> which is funky mobo raid that needs drivers for some reason
[01:39] <zoddan> runedude: i cannot run that command
[01:39] <Razor-X> galactic2: hold on a sec i'm a gonna do some searching for you
[01:39] <nern> zoddan: try running sudo passwd and then doing su on the console and you should be able to login as root
[01:39] <zoddan> runedude: "option can only be used by root"
[01:39] <runedude> oh, zoddan hm.....
[01:39] <runedude> yea.. heres what i did.. sudo -s
[01:39] <galactic2> its horrible nothing can read it without special drivers ... i cant do anything with it now though because iv got alot of data on the array
[01:39] <zoddan> nern: no
[01:39] <zoddan> nern: it says my root password is invalid
[01:39] <zoddan> nern: cant login
[01:40] <runedude> zoddan: use your password for your normal user
[01:40] <zoddan> i have
[01:40] <zoddan> dont work
[01:40] <rancorus> How does one get pppoe set up on ubuntu?
[01:40] <anto9us> zoddan: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:40] <zoddan> talk about fucky up distro
[01:40] <zoddan> fuckt
[01:40] <runedude> eg. heres what i did... my account is runedude / blah123... i sudo -s type in blah123 then type passwd
[01:40] <runedude> ^.^
[01:41] <runedude> nah, sudo actually protects you from ruining system things.
[01:41] <galactic2> gtg ... be back in 10mins
[01:41] <runedude> later
[01:41] <nern> zoddan: yeah the password for sudo is the same as yer user password, if you run sudo passwd you should be able to just enter your password and then use su to login as root, but i really dont know why tou would want to since you can just do everything with sudo
[01:41] <zoddan> ah now
[01:41] <zoddan> i did that sudo thing
[01:41] <zoddan> thanks
[01:41] <runedude> yea?
[01:41] <runedude> :P np
[01:41] <qweeq> anyone knows why ubuntu crashes on boot? i was able to se the splash screen but all of a sudden my system locks up at the splash screen display. pls help
[01:42] <spanglesontoast> does lmsensors actually work?
[01:42] <nern> somebody help qweeq
[01:42] <nern> i have no clues
[01:42] <Razor-X> galactic2: get back here!
[01:42] <bur[n] er> qweeq: try a different window manager?  it work with no X?
[01:42] <bur[n] er> qweeq: you get to gdm? and just gnome halts everything?
[01:42] <runedude> qweeq: er.. perhaps a messed up /boot/grub/grub.conf ?
[01:43] <Razor-X> i'll check back in about 8 minutes, better get back to my goal of finishing three years of math in one summer now
[01:43] <PhantomFreak> Hello all... I've been trying to make a boot disc using SYSLINUX so I can install Ubuntu from a USB CD-ROM drive... It's aparently not easy, has anyone got any suggestions?
[01:43] <qweeq> anyone knows why ubuntu crashes on boot? i was able to se the splash screen but all of a sudden my system locks up at the splash screen display. pls help its LIVE CD
[01:43] <nern> bur[n] er: hes using the live cd
[01:43] <runedude> Razor-X: good luck
[01:43] <bur[n] er> oh ohoh
[01:43] <bur[n] er> f that
[01:43] <nern> bur[n] er: im pretty sure hes talking about the gnome splash
[01:43] <Razor-X> runedude: hehe ;)
[01:43] <bur[n] er> the ubuntu livecd... i've never had good luck with
[01:43] <zoddan> i cant run Xorg -configure
[01:43] <runedude> qweeq: oh..... heh, well.. it does actually take awhile for it to start up.. try hitting Escape to see if theres a debug? ;-)
[01:43] <bur[n] er> more power to you if you can get it ;)
[01:43] <transgress> run dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server
[01:44] <runedude> zoddan: er.. edit the config file by hand, or, do what transgress said. :P
[01:44] <nern> yeah you should just install it to the hdd ;)
[01:44] <bur[n] er> dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server is not a good LiveCD solution
[01:44] <bur[n] er> maybe for an installed system, but not from a livecd
[01:44] <transgress> oh he's on the live cd?
[01:44] <runedude> bur[n] er: he meant to zoddan
[01:44] <transgress> i see
[01:44] <runedude> oh
[01:44] <runedude> nvm
[01:44] <bur[n] er> oh :)
[01:45] <transgress> so am i
[01:45] <transgress> i just popped in
[01:45] <runedude> you all should have queue line ;-)
[01:45] <bur[n] er> in any event... back to qweeq, you using the 64 bit livecd for your amd 64?
[01:45] <runedude> 500 people shouting at the same time can be rather tedious
[01:45] <bur[n] er> or the 32 bit ubuntu?
[01:45] <nern> yes he is
[01:45] <PhantomFreak> Anyone?
[01:45] <nern> its the 64bit on a zv6000 hp laptop
[01:46] <transgress> what's your problem nern?
[01:46] <transgress> i have a very similar lappy... running ubuntu64
[01:46] <runedude> nern isnt having the problem, its qweeq 's problem. :P
[01:46] <qweeq> i tried gnoppix with it too but not worki ng
[01:46] <transgress> oh
[01:46] <runedude> qweeq: you mean Knoppix?
[01:46] <qweeq> gnoppix 0.91  think its ubuntu based distro
[01:46] <transgress> well whoever is running the damn ubuntu64...
[01:46] <qweeq> gnopix
[01:46] <poningru> anyone know a good video conversion tool?
[01:46] <spanglesontoast> is there a good place that lists all debian packages like games etc
[01:46] <runedude> er.. oh right knopix
[01:46] <poningru> like xvid ->mpeg
[01:46] <runedude> the gnome one :)
[01:47] <transgress> gnoppix is a knoppix based distro... which is a debian based distro
[01:47] <bur[n] er> gnoppix is knoppix with gnome instead of kde basically
[01:47] <qweeq> i saw ubuntu wall paper with it
[01:47] <runedude> bur[n] er: right.
[01:47] <bur[n] er> but it's not great ;)
[01:47] <runedude> qweeq: well.. lol :P
[01:47] <runedude> Actually, I prefer gnome ;)
[01:47] <bur[n] er> only livecd i get to work everywhere is kanotix
[01:47] <runedude> my gentoo liveCD worked..
[01:47] <JasonF> gnoppix is horrible
[01:47] <transgress> haha
[01:47] <nern> yeah kanotix is nice
[01:47] <transgress> of course the gentoo livecd is a shell...
[01:48] <runedude> transgress: yea, it was hard too :S
[01:48] <nern> MEPIS is my favorite liveCD though
[01:48] <bur[n] er> and it's based on gentoo... bleh ;)
[01:48] <transgress> i enjoyed the gentoo install
[01:48] <transgress> required thinking
[01:48] <runedude> transgress: yea, rofl, took me about 3 tries to get it working :)
[01:48] <nern> i dont think i could do a gentoo install
[01:48] <bur[n] er> requires reading a long document and transposing commands :\
[01:48] <lotusleaf> has anyone tried Project Bloated Glass on ubuntu?
[01:48] <poningru> so any ideas?
[01:48] <runedude> Linux mercury 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Fri May 20 13:52:48 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:48] <runedude> oops
[01:48] <runedude> wrong version :)
[01:48] <transgress> runedude: took me two.  i was really tired the first time.  next morning after a good nights sleep i did fine
[01:49] <runedude> Linux voodoo 2.6.11-gentoo-r3 #3 Mon May 23 21:09:34 EDT 2005 i686 Pentium III (Coppermine) GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[01:49] <runedude> yea, i ran mine overnight
[01:49] <PhantomFreak> Well, you lot have been pleanty of help! Thanks for just sitting there and ignoring me!
[01:49] <bur[n] er> grr... i wish gaim irc did /exec
[01:49] <runedude> took me about 2 days to install
[01:49] <spanglesontoast> what's that lotus leaf?
[01:49] <runedude> bur[n] er: as do i
[01:49] <lotusleaf> spanglesontoast, oh, I mean: Project Looking Glass
[01:49] <transgress> PhantomFreak: stop your whining.  like you are paying us or some shit.
[01:49] <lotusleaf> I guess I used the wrong word. :P
[01:50] <transgress> what is project looking glass?
[01:50] <spanglesontoast> where it at?
[01:50] <spanglesontoast> that java desktop?
[01:50] <runedude> gentoo is hard, thats gentoo in a nutshell, but the distro (once installed) is a really really good desktop
[01:50] <Razor-X> transgress: do you know the complete list of libraries needed to run Maxima?
[01:50] <runedude> but kde and gnome take a LONG time to compile from source
[01:51] <lotusleaf> spanglesontoast, google or I have it linked on my window managers page at: http://lotusleaf.nermal.net/linux.html
[01:51] <qweeq> pls guys
[01:51] <IIIEars> Phantomfreak - Hm - normally very friendly around here... - What was your question?
[01:51] <poningru> anyone know of vid convert tools?
[01:51] <Razor-X> runedude: Gentoo is _not_ that hard, a Stage 3 can be slept through, Stage 1's are still pretty easy if you follow the guide
[01:51] <qweeq> is ubuntu not compatible with hp
[01:51] <poningru> xdiv->mpeg
[01:51] <lotusleaf> I saw one thread about Project Looking Glass on the Ubuntu forums, was curious if anyone here has tried it.
[01:51] <transgress> Razor-X: umm what?  no.
[01:51] <poningru> qweeq: yes it is
[01:51] <runedude> yea, i did a stage 1
[01:51] <spanglesontoast> bookmarked ya
[01:51] <spanglesontoast> lol
[01:51] <runedude> wait
[01:51] <runedude> i mean stage 3
[01:51] <qweeq> hp zv6000 amd 64 i wanna run live cd
[01:51] <lotusleaf> spanglesontoast, ;P
[01:52] <qweeq> but it is crashing
[01:52] <runedude> yea, luckily, i had laptop on with the documents loaded :)
[01:52] <Razor-X> poningru: as i've noticed over time, any encoding/transcoding software on Linux is very sparse
[01:52] <othernoob> anyone know a mathematica-equivalent for linux (+gpled + for kde)
[01:52] <transgress> qweeq: hmm... sure you got the right livecd and everything right?
[01:52] <spanglesontoast> this is kinda what the site I may be building when ubuntu wants to allow my k6 to work
[01:52] <Razor-X> does anyone else know the libraries required for Maxima?
[01:52] <Razor-X> othernoob: Maxima
[01:52] <poningru> hold on razor-x
[01:52] <qweeq> transgress yes
[01:52] <qweeq>  i got hoary
[01:52] <qweeq> amd 64
[01:53] <qweeq> ubuntu-5.04-live-amd64
[01:53] <poningru> razor: did you need the libs required?
[01:53] <transgress> qweeq: what keeps crashing?
[01:53] <spanglesontoast> like most people i guess we wonder why the xpde team shot each other?
[01:53] <spanglesontoast> :P
[01:53] <qweeq> transgress it keeps crashing on the splash screen
[01:53] <Razor-X> poningru: yeah
[01:53] <othernoob> Razor-X thanks
[01:53] <Razor-X> put it on pastebin, if you can
[01:53] <transgress> qweeq: so you get dropped to a shell then?
[01:53] <lotusleaf> So I guess no one's tried Project Looking Glass on Ubuntu. Ok.
[01:53] <Razor-X> othernoob: since you're into math (i'm guessing), i'm going to try to create a math-only live cd
[01:53] <qweeq> nope
[01:54] <poningru> libgmp3
[01:54] <transgress> qweeq: what happens then?
[01:54] <qweeq> transgress it locks up the system mouse becomes unmovable
[01:54] <poningru> libncurses5
[01:54] <othernoob> Razor-X cool :) yea i like math :)
[01:54] <transgress> qweeq: tried hitting ctrl+alt+f1?
[01:54] <spanglesontoast> everyone in a way of ignoring me now
[01:54] <qweeq> and nothing really happens for about five munites
[01:54] <qweeq> minutes
[01:54] <poningru> libc4
[01:54] <anto9us> Razor-X: will it do linear programming, which I've never really understood but I know it's useful, huh?
[01:54] <poningru> err libc6
[01:54] <Razor-X> poningru: can you put it in pastebin?
[01:55] <poningru> libreadline4
[01:55] <poningru> heh I got no time sorry dude
[01:55] <lotusleaf> I propose: glass-ubuntu :)
[01:55] <Razor-X> anto9us: the goal is to have Maxima, plus a TI Emulator, and the PDRom for the TI-89
[01:55] <poningru> you can use the syn pack mngr to look it up
[01:55] <transgress> lotusleaf: you mean gubuntu?
[01:55] <poningru> bbl
[01:55] <Razor-X> and, other than that, the absolutely neccessary libraries
[01:55] <Razor-X> and the barebones Window Manager
[01:55] <lotusleaf> transgress, for project looking glass
[01:55] <qweeq> transgress any idea
[01:56] <Razor-X> the goal is to have a powerful mathematical system with you that can work on as many computers as possible
[01:56] <othernoob> Razor-X where would you release your math-livecd ?
[01:56] <Razor-X> othernoob
[01:56] <Razor-X> err
[01:56] <Razor-X> othernoob: on the net, of course
[01:56] <spanglesontoast> fvwm what do you think of it lotusleaf/
[01:56] <spanglesontoast> ?
[01:56] <othernoob> heh. of course.. but where on the net ;)
[01:56] <Razor-X> well.... what do you mean by that?
[01:56] <pwolter> hi, I just installed gvim and I don't see it under Applications....how can I do to get all then under applications?
[01:57] <othernoob> where could i get it...
[01:57] <othernoob> site?
[01:57] <othernoob> torrent?
[01:57] <qweeq> pls anyone
[01:57] <Razor-X> pwolter: you can start up a terminal, and type in 'gvim'
[01:57] <anto9us> Razor-X: so, does that mean it will do linear programming without taxing my brain too much?
[01:57] <lotusleaf> spanglesontoast, I haven't used that in a long time, fvwm
[01:57] <Razor-X> othernoob: depends if my sysadmin gives my bandwidth to post it on the sight
[01:57] <pwolter> I know, but I want to see all the soft I installed under Apps menu....
[01:57] <spanglesontoast> yea
[01:57] <spanglesontoast> but when you used it
[01:58] <Razor-X> anto9us: it's just meant to be a mathematical tool, assisting in powerful, higher-level calculations
[01:58] <spanglesontoast> did you like it/hate?
[01:58] <Razor-X> *site
[01:58] <Razor-X> if she doesen't, it's going to be torrent
[01:58] <lotusleaf> spanglesontoast, it's been so long, I don't recall.
[01:58] <lotusleaf> spanglesontoast, what do you think of it
[01:58] <qweeq> im on windows i run ubuntu launching browser it says but then it crashes. does it mean i have a bad cd
[01:58] <Razor-X> qwweq: md5sum the ISO of the CD
[01:58] <spanglesontoast> minging looks like a see through bit of plastic
[01:59] <anto9us> Razor-X: a slide rule fits that description ;)
[01:59] <qweeq> Razor-X whats a good client
[01:59] <othernoob> Razor-X and your site would be ;)
[01:59] <Lafitte-> could anyone do me a favor and tell me the version of network nonitor you have ?
[01:59] <pwolter> ok, bye gyus, thanks...
[01:59] <Lafitte-> gnome-Ubuntu
[01:59] <Razor-X> anto9us: can a slide rule tell me the derivative of a large function, and graph the original function, and it's derivative?
[02:00] <anto9us> Razor-X: no, but it can help ;)
[02:00] <spanglesontoast> just lotusleaf
[02:00] <spanglesontoast> eventally building a reviewing site of programs
[02:00] <Razor-X> anto9us: well, this will be able to do it ;)
[02:00] <Razor-X> othernoob: i'll keep that veiled until the time comes
[02:01] <rg58sma> hi
[02:01] <Lafitte-> could anyone do me a favor and tell me the version of network nonitor you have in gnome?
[02:02] <othernoob> Razor-X okay :)
[02:02] <qweeq> does ubuntu start2.exe work?
[02:02] <cfh_dev> Are there some odd flags turned on for bash in Ubuntu?  I have a shell script that won't run on my ubuntu box but does on my debian box.
[02:02] <Razor-X> and I ask again, can anyone tell me the dependancies of maxima and put it on pastebin?
[02:02] <othernoob> qweeq: heh, are you trying to use ubuntu in windows ?
[02:02] <qweeq> yes
[02:02] <Razor-X> cfh_dev: since you BASH script, go ahead and find out ;)
[02:02] <arcticblue> o.0
[02:03] <qweeq> just wondering if the cdimage i got is good
[02:03] <Razor-X> qweeq: why?
[02:03] <lotusleaf> roflcopter
[02:03] <anto9us> Razor-X: I was only teasing with the slide rule remark, no offense meant, I wish you the best for your project mate :)
[02:03] <qweeq> just wondering if the cdimage i got is good
[02:03] <rg58sma> hi someone use smeg?????
[02:03] <Razor-X> anto9us: I realize that ;)
[02:03] <arcticblue> just download qemu
[02:03] <arcticblue> qweeq: just download qemu
[02:03] <dssfilesharer_> i download ubuntu today and installed it so far with problems. I am able to see my xp laptotp on the network with ubuntu but xp cant see ubuntu, can someone help me with this problem. dont know much about linux, just started using linux. thanks for any help
[02:03] <othernoob> qweeq eh, you have to install ubuntu... if you want to know if the cd is okay, check the md5sum of the iso you downloaded
[02:03] <cfh_dev> Razor-X, I wish I could bash script.  I have something simple to put together a classpath but it dies.
[02:03] <rg58sma> hi someone use smeg?????
[02:04] <Jormundgand> dssfilesharer_: sudo apt-get install samba smbfs, then edit smb.conf to put you on the same workgroup and make a network username by following the guide.
[02:04] <jmob> rg58sma: please, repeat again, I don't think anyone heard you
[02:04] <Razor-X> cfh_dev: never too late to learn? ;)
[02:04] <dssfilesharer_> u have a good link for samba
[02:04] <rg58sma> hi someone use smeg?????
[02:04] <Razor-X> I'm ok at BASH scripting, am going to start some meaty stuff after this summer
[02:04] <cfh_dev> Razor-X, true.  I've hit the proverbial wall here though.
[02:04] <rg58sma> hi iva a problem
[02:04] <Jormundgand> rg58sma: #menueditor
[02:05] <Razor-X> as I said earlier, this summer is going to be cramming 3 years of math in one
[02:05] <cfh_dev> Razor-X, could you take a quick look at a script and give me your thoughts on it?
[02:05] <Jormundgand> dssfilesharer_: sudo apt-get install samba smbfs
[02:05] <othernoob> Razor-X since you're interested in the dependencies of maxima, wouldn't it be easier to contact the developers ?
[02:06] <Razor-X> othernoob: well, I browsed the FAQs on the site, and the answer was "To Be Made"
[02:06] <Razor-X> and, i'ld expect it to be easier to run an apt-get and figure out the dependancies
[02:06] <rg58sma> hi iva a problem
[02:06] <Razor-X> cfh_dev: ah, sorry, i'm doing some work in the background while chatting
[02:06] <rg58sma> hi someone use smeg?????
[02:07] <Fackamato> rg58sma: use one question mark only, or die
[02:07] <jmob> rg58sma: ffs stop repeating stuff
[02:07] <rg58sma> ok
[02:07] <Jormundgand> rg58sma: A small hint: It's counterproductive to be odious to a team of people who are VOLUNTEERING to help.
[02:07] <rg58sma> what fuck
[02:07] <Razor-X> jmob: Face Feminization Surgery?
[02:07] <jmob> rg58sma: if someone doesn't answer the first time it means there's probably no one around that can help
[02:08] <JasonF> for fscks sake, Razor-X
[02:08] <Razor-X> ;)
[02:08] <taomaster69> any info how 2 install tar.gz- very new to linux and ubuntu
[02:08] <jmob> rg58sma: wait more than 30 seconds to repeat the question
[02:08] <Razor-X> this is my last answer, until that one guy about GRUB and RAID comes back
[02:08] <Jormundgand> taomaster69: tar zxvf foobar.tar.gz and go from there.
[02:08] <transgress> taomaster69: let me toss you some reading material
[02:08] <Razor-X> taomaster69: generally, tar means compilation, tar is an archive, if you're ready to compile, go ahead
[02:09] <transgress> http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/ taomaster69 read that
[02:09] <Razor-X> seems transgress and Jormundgand took the initiative ;)
[02:09] <taomaster69> thanx
[02:09] <Razor-X> ah well, i'll check in here for that one guy asking about GRUB on RAID
[02:09] <transgress> taomaster69: read it all.  and then read this http://www.sloppycode.net/nix/
[02:09] <arcticblue> how easy is it to make an ubuntu package out of a source tarball?
[02:09] <transgress> taomaster69: if not then we won't tell you the package you need to compile.
[02:10] <arcticblue> it would be nice to be able to compile something and have it still show up in synaptic
[02:10] <Fackamato> rg58sma: stop pasing fucking 100 lines of code in priv, OK PLEASE?
[02:10] <cfh_dev> taomaster69, to open up that archive, use tar -zxf <filename>
[02:10] <taomaster69> ok thanx
[02:11] <rg58sma> ok
[02:11] <cfh_dev> taomaster69, tar -zxvf <filename>  will print the file list on the screen as it goes through the archive
[02:11] <Razor-X> rg58sma: if you want to put a lot of code in a nice, readable form, use pastebin
[02:11] <taomaster69> ok thanx for the help
[02:13] <poningru> please if anyone has any idea of where I can look for help that would be good too
[02:13] <Razor-X> errr, I need to clean my trackball
[02:13] <poningru> what can I use to convert one vid format to another
[02:14] <Jormundgand> I want an optical mouse. I hate ball mice. :(
[02:14] <anto9us> poningru: I think vlc will output to a file in a chosen format
[02:15] <Razor-X> Jormundgand: the trackball is really easy to clean
[02:15] <rg58sma> hi someone use smeg?????
[02:15] <Razor-X> it's an optical one, but the rollers do gunk up on occasion
[02:15] <Jormundgand> Off he goes again. rg58sma: What are you trying to do when Smeg crashes.
[02:16] <Jormundgand> ?*
[02:16] <rg58sma> nothinm
[02:16] <rg58sma> http://pastebin.com/292983
[02:16] <_tony> Is there anyway to use Apt to get java?
[02:16] <rg58sma> this is the error
[02:16] <neighborlee> does anyone know if someone is working on getting a automount ( submount./supermount) system working in ubuntu and if so by when???
[02:18] <tiny_linux> helo there, so i need libdvdcss2 package somebody have it?
[02:19] <Jormundgand> tiny_linux: sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
[02:19] <neighborlee> tiny_linux, I believe its in universe or multiverse assuming you dont  have it enabled yet ?
[02:20] <_tony> Where is the ubuntu guide for limewire, and can you apt-get java?
[02:20] <tiny_linux> hello, there are somebody there?
[02:20] <tiny_linux>  libdvdcss2 package somebody have it?
[02:21] <tiny_linux> i give it sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 but don't found it
[02:21] <tiny_linux> maybe i have an error in my sources.list
[02:21] <tiny_linux> i think
[02:22] <_tony> did you edit you sources.list then run update
[02:22] <_tony> ?
[02:22] <tiny_linux> hey _tony read in www.ubuntuguide.org there is
[02:23] <tiny_linux> yes
[02:24] <tiny_linux> and gave me an error
[02:24] <tiny_linux> too
[02:24] <tiny_linux> by this is what i'm lookin the package for installing miself
[02:26] <Jormundgand> Hmm. Is the Flash plugin for Firefox incomplete? I never seem to get any text.
[02:28] <flipy> is there any script to start mldonkey at boot-up?
[02:30] <dssfilesharer_> is there a free antivirus program out for ubuntu like avg. thanks .
[02:30] <thundrcleeze> yes, dss
[02:30] <anto9us> flipy: you can set to start when you log in by editing your session properties
[02:30] <flipy> well, it's for a server
[02:30] <dssfilesharer_> where can i get the free antivirus at
[02:30] <flipy> so nobody will be logging
[02:31] <hikaru79> I've got a really old monitor, and I can't seem to find correct Horiz/Vert settings anywhere online so that I can get anything higher than 1024x768 resolution =/ So, just in case, does anyone here have an Orchestra Bass Drum model monitor and know it's correct configs?
[02:32] <thundrcleeze> dssfilesharer_, http://ubuntuguide.org/#installclamav
[02:32] <Th4tBa5t4rd> AVG has a linux version, i think
[02:33] <w00t3284> hi all, i have a question
[02:33] <hikaru79> What's up, w00t3284 ?
[02:33] <spanglesontoast> what other irc clients are there that use gtk?
[02:33] <w00t3284> i have a Maxtor DiamondMaxPlus9 200GB SATA HDD, and i want to know if i can run ubuntu on it
[02:33] <w00t3284> the reason i'm worried is b/c a few months ago, though knoppix would (kind of) run, nothing else would
[02:34] <w00t3284> so, does anyone know if Ubuntu supports SATA ?
[02:34] <Th4tBa5t4rd> ^^ curious as well. i have an upgrade planned
[02:34] <tim> does anyone know if there is are anymore ubuntu offshoots in development and where I can find info on them (like kubuntu) especially one for e17-ubuntu :P
[02:35] <epsas> i just ordered some free ubuntu CDs
[02:35] <w00t3284> Th4tBa5t4rd, curious about my question?
[02:35] <anto9us> flipy: see http://www.cpqlinux.com/sysinit.html
[02:35] <hikaru79> epsas, it can take QUITE a while
[02:36] <flipy> anto9us thanks
[02:36] <Th4tBa5t4rd> i could be COMPLETELY and utterly wrong, but SATA should be a driver deal. have you checked the chipset manufacturer for sata linux drivers?
[02:36] <epsas> hikaru79 - ahhh... too bad - we are hoping to get them before some people leave to go on tour
[02:37] <w00t3284> Th4tBa5t4rd, no i haven't, i'll go do that
[02:37] <w00t3284> thanks
[02:37] <w00t3284> i doubt they have it though
[02:37] <anto9us> w00t3284: I've heard people say they've installed on SATA, like Th4tBa5t4rd says though, may be dependent on chipset
[02:37] <Th4tBa5t4rd> what's your mobo manufacturer?
[02:37] <w00t3284> if you're curious it's a Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 200GB HDD
[02:37] <w00t3284> i am hoping to replace my motherboard, as i feel it is the source of many a random crash, however, for now, it is a Chaintech ZNF3-150
[02:38] <w00t3284> (i have an Athlon 64 3200+ system)
[02:38] <Th4tBa5t4rd> i'm A64 3000+
[02:38] <hikaru79> epsas, sorry =( They take a notoriously long time.
[02:38] <epsas> eek
[02:38] <nern> hey hey hey
[02:38] <w00t3284> Th4tBa5t4rd sweet
[02:38] <hikaru79> They do get here eventually though :) I'm a testament to that.
[02:38] <Th4tBa5t4rd> epas, download an iso and burn off a few copies
[02:38] <w00t3284> 64's rock
[02:38] <tiny_linux> i say it again somebody has it? libdvdcss2 package
[02:38] <tiny_linux> please i need it
[02:38] <Th4tBa5t4rd> it's pretty quick. i haven't jumped to pci express yet though
[02:39] <w00t3284> tiny_linux i don't have it, if you find a torrent i'll add myself to the swarm to help your download speeds
[02:39] <winston> Is it just me or ubuntu doesn't handle mp3s?
[02:39] <w00t3284> woah, it doesn't?
[02:39] <zenrox> tiny_linux,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for how to get it
[02:39] <dssfilesharer_> does anyone know where i can download free antivirus for ubuntu. thanks
[02:39] <othernoob> winston: it's just you ;)
[02:39] <cfh_dev> winston, in what way?  I'm listening to an mp3 now.
[02:39] <Th4tBa5t4rd> i do have a question... If I want to dual boot Xp64/Ubuntu on separate hdds, with a shared media drive, should i put it on Ubuntu's hdd and format it FAt32 during the Ubuntu insall?
[02:40] <cfh_dev> dssfilesharer_, clamav
[02:40] <dssfilesharer_> ok thanks
[02:40] <w00t3284> put what, the shared media drive?
[02:40] <Th4tBa5t4rd> yeah
[02:40] <Th4tBa5t4rd> it's just going to be a partition though
[02:40] <w00t3284> it should go like this: 1. partitino your HDD the way you want it 2. install XP 3. install Ubuntu
[02:41] <w00t3284> make sure that the shared partition is FAT32 though
[02:41] <nern> why would anyone need av with linux
[02:41] <Th4tBa5t4rd> yeah that's what i was thinking w00t
[02:41] <w00t3284> yep, according to the forum i attend, that's what the common wisdom is for dual booting *nix and *noes
[02:41] <Th4tBa5t4rd> but i am running the two OSes on separate hdds
[02:41] <othernoob> nern: for example if you have a win pc connected to your linux pc
[02:41] <anto9us> nern: for checking windows partitions/shares
[02:41] <w00t3284> Th4tBa5t4rd, that doesn't matter
[02:41] <w00t3284> just make sure the shared media partition is FAT32
[02:42] <Th4tBa5t4rd> yeah
[02:42] <nern> ahh i see
[02:42] <nern> nice
[02:42] <Th4tBa5t4rd> hope so...i'll prolly be back here cussing about nvidia drivers...that's what got me last time
[02:42] <othernoob> nern: besides that, there are virii for linux ;)
[02:42] <galactic2> razor-x im back
[02:42] <galactic2> if you'r still there
[02:42] <w00t3284> really? nvidia is supposedly way ahead of the game when compared to ati
[02:43] <w00t3284> drivers-wise, at least (for *nix)
[02:43] <tiny_linux> i found it, thank you
[02:43] <tiny_linux> by the way, somebody know where i find a tutorial about how to set up my own mail server under ubuntu
[02:43] <WX> i just installed DBD::mysql, and now I can't see any of my databases
[02:43] <Th4tBa5t4rd> yeah, but i am WAY behind the game as far as linux goes
[02:43] <tiny_linux> helo
[02:43] <galactic2> guess you arent around razorx?
[02:43] <WX> i can't login as anything except root w/o a password
[02:43] <WX> any ideas?
[02:43] <w00t3284> Th4tBa5t4rd lol
[02:43] <Th4tBa5t4rd> passwords are good for you
[02:43] <winston> cfh_dev: i dont know in which way, no progs will play mp3s
[02:44] <tiny_linux> i have winston's problem
[02:44] <tiny_linux> both
[02:44] <winston> tiny_linux: you do?
[02:44] <Th4tBa5t4rd> oh well. time to blow out some partions and reformat... yay
[02:44] <zenrox> tiny_linux, and winston  read www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:44] <whitti> Hey, I was wondering whether any of you knew of a tool to extract files from a .bin file (as in that used by some burning apps as a CD image)?
[02:45] <galactic2> grr where did razorx go?
[02:45] <crimsun> whitti: cdrdao->mount or bchunk->mount
[02:46] <whitti> crimsun: Thanks
[02:46] <rancorus> when my gdm starts and i log in, It gets stuck at a ubuntu loading image. How do i fix this?
[02:46] <nern> what did you do
[02:48] <anto9us> tiny_linux: this looks interesting for postfix mail server setup
[02:48] <cfh_dev> winston, I use xmms in kde
[02:48] <anto9us> tiny_linux: http://www.idealog.us/2004/10/helpful_guide_t.html
[02:48] <tiny_linux> both
[02:48] <tiny_linux> think so
[02:49] <winston> zenrox: are you reffering to gnump3d?? cant find package
[02:49] <w00t3284> okay guys
[02:50] <w00t3284> i can't find any Linux drivers for my HDD
[02:50] <winston> cfh_dev im in gnome and i have xmms, it just crashes when i look an mp3 or a pls
[02:50] <cumii> jhelp me
[02:50] <w00t3284> so how do i find out if the latest ubuntu release supports my hard drive?
[02:50] <hikaru79> What's wrong, cumii?
[02:50] <anto9us> w00t3284: you don't find them for the HDD but for the controller
[02:50] <cumii> how to use dcc chat on xchat?
[02:50] <cumii> im request dcc with bot
[02:50] <w00t3284> anto9us so you mean the "sil 3144" or whatever? (i dont know the model number, i'm at the office not at home)
[02:50] <cumii> but the dcc chat show on channel
[02:51] <hikaru79> You want to set up a dcc SERVER?
[02:51] <hikaru79> Ooh
[02:51] <hikaru79> You want to access a dcc server?
[02:51] <cumii> not on new tab
[02:51] <nalioth> howdy, ya'll
[02:51] <w00t3284> anto9us how do i find the number for my SATA controller if i don't have my computer infront of me?
[02:51] <cumii> yup
[02:51] <Yoda_Sabre> guys is there a way to ghost windows on linux like with mac
[02:51] <hikaru79> cumii, in the tab at the top, go to "IRC" and check all the last three entries
[02:51] <cfh_dev> winston, do you have mpg123 installed?
[02:51] <nalioth> w00t3284: how would it NOT support your HD?
[02:51] <anto9us> w00t3284: hmm.. do you know the motherboard?
[02:51] <hikaru79> The important one is "Auto Open Dialog Windows"
[02:51] <hikaru79> Then it will work :)
[02:52] <w00t3284> anto9us yes, it's a Chaintech ZNF3-150
[02:52] <Yoda_Sabre> anyone know of the way?
[02:52] <w00t3284> nalioth easily; i tried a few months ago and i couldn't install Linux; knoppix barely (kind of) worked, but it was very flaky
[02:52] <nalioth> w00t3284: simple solution: ubuntu live cd
[02:52] <cumii> ok
[02:52] <cumii> wait a second i will try dcc chat
[02:52] <jaca> hi
[02:52] <w00t3284> nalioth, but i want to install ubuntu to my hDD
[02:52] <nalioth> w00t3284: if the live cd works, so should the install
[02:53] <Yoda_Sabre> can anyone answer my question
[02:53] <anto9us> w00t3284: you should look at the chaintech website to see what sata contoller it lists then check if there's support in the kernel or if there's a module, doing a linux search for the chip in google should be revealing
[02:53] <nalioth> w00t3284: are we concerned because the HD is old? or super <psssss> new?
[02:53] <dssfilesharer_> can someone give me a link for downloading a free antivirus for ubuntu everything i do  isnt good
[02:54] <w00t3284> nalioth, new, it's a SATA drive...
[02:54] <anto9us> dssfilesharer_: clamav is in the repositories
[02:54] <w00t3284> anto9us, will do
[02:54] <cumii> thxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[02:54] <cumii> its work
[02:54] <dssfilesharer_> i am new to this. what is repositories
[02:54] <Yoda_Sabre> how you ghost a currently installed windows os in linux
[02:54] <nern> dssfilesharer: open a terminal and type sudo apt-get install clamav
[02:54] <w00t3284> k, the controller is a Sli3114 SATA RAID controller
[02:54] <othernoob> nern. do you think that will work ?
[02:54] <nalioth> w00t3284: i'd try the live cd, see if you can write to the HD
[02:55] <dssfilesharer_> ok
[02:55] <othernoob> nern i doubt he modified his sources.list yet
[02:55] <[Bond] > hey all
 i know how i'd "ghost" windoze.. .. .. .. muuwahahaha
[02:55] <nern> othernoob: oooh maybe yer right... god they should just enable universe and multiverse by default
[02:55] <w00t3284> nalioth, k, how would i write, using OpenOffice or somesuch?
[02:55] <Yoda_Sabre> i know you can do it with mac
[02:55] <anto9us> dssfilesharer_: in synaptic, it lists files from servers (repositories) which you can add/unhide by following instructions here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:55] <Yoda_Sabre> but how you do it with linux
[02:55] <w00t3284> nalioth, and this would involve re-partiotioning the entire beast to FAT32, wouldn't it
[02:56] <nalioth> w00t3284: a simple "touch whatever" once you mount it should suffice
[02:56] <[Bond] > I just installed ubuntu "whoary," and when I try to apt-get install something, it just hangs at "99% [Working] "  any ideas?
[02:56] <othernoob> nern. yea i was wondering about that too, doesn't make sense to me
[02:56] <nalioth> w00t3284: if it is NTFS, then a repartion is in order
[02:56] <nalioth> w00t3284: you can use..
[02:56] <nalioth> msg w00t3284 partition magic <ahem> from the torrents <cough>
[02:56] <nalioth> shit
[02:57] <[Bond] > heh
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[02:57] <spanglesontoast> what's so good about xine?
[02:57] <w00t3284> nalioth; don't worry, there are good (legally) free alternatives to Partition Magic
[02:57] <knucks> why is my cd ripping speed SO SLOW
[02:57] <nern> it makes little vaginas into gaping holes
[02:57] <nern> THATS whats so good about xine
[02:57] <nalioth> w00t3284: bit torrent (the program) is legal <ahem> dang cough
[02:57] <rancorus> when my gdm starts and i log in, It gets stuck at a ubuntu loading image. How do i fix this?
[02:57] <crimsun> that's pretty off-topic, nern.
[02:57] <w00t3284> nalioth, and i was going to reformat anyway (b/c i want to dual boot XP and ubuntu)
[02:57] <spanglesontoast> rite..........
[02:58] <nern> crimsum: sorry ;)
[02:58] <spanglesontoast> is it better than mplayer?
[02:58] <othernoob> knucks: have you enabled dma ?
[02:58] <knucks> how
[02:58] <nern> totem-xine is my pick as best movie player
[02:58] <w00t3284> nalioth, lol, it's fine: Ranish Partition Manager: http://www.ranish.com/
[02:58] <nalioth> w00t3284: yes i recommend at least 3gb for linux (ie ext3, reiser, whatever) and make as much space avail in fat32 as you can (i never install  a windoze users machine on ntfs)
[02:58] <anto9us> spanglesontoast: mileage varies
[02:58] <spanglesontoast> what's totem got in it?
[02:58] <w00t3284> or i could even use www.ultimatebootcd.com their UBCD
[02:58] <othernoob> knucks find out where your cdrom is (which partition
[02:58] <w00t3284> okay, so how would my partitions look like?
[02:59] <knucks> um i think its /dev/cdrom
[02:59] <Yoda_Sabre> woot iot sucks
[02:59] <anto9us> spanglesontoast: totem uses xine and gstreamer
[02:59] <nalioth> w00t3284: if keeping data is not a concern, you can use the parted that comes on the ubuntu disk
[02:59] <w00t3284> i've backed up already
[02:59] <knucks> but how do i check
[02:59] <othernoob> knucks then in a terminal type udo  hdparm  -d1  /dev/hdX  where X is your partition
[02:59] <w00t3284> does this partition table look good?
[02:59] <spanglesontoast> can It play real player stuff?
[02:59] <nalioth> w00t3284: then the ubuntu installer has several options
[02:59] <Yoda_Sabre> there is a good progream to partition witht hat loses no data
[02:59] <nalioth> w00t3284: if you're sending date, /msg me
[02:59] <nalioth> data, even
[02:59] <w00t3284> 8GB ext3 - UBUNTU; 8GB FAT32 - XP; 512MB - Linux Swap; The Rest - FAT32
[03:00] <Yoda_Sabre> aslong as there is space
[03:00] <w00t3284> na
[03:00] <w00t3284> just look above
[03:00] <nern> Yoda_Sabre: i use gparted for partitioning
[03:00] <anto9us> spanglesontoast: if the codecs are there, it can see them and it's not one of the latest rp format files/streams, yes
[03:00] <Yoda_Sabre> use partition magic
[03:00] <knucks> it seems that ripping is real uick
[03:00] <Yoda_Sabre> if your fearfully of losing files
[03:00] <knucks> its just that the encodings slow
[03:01] <nalioth> w00t3284: you know that you can symlink your linux partions onto the fat32 partition, right?
[03:01] <capi> Is there a package for GTK+2.4/2.6 I can't seem to find one?
[03:01] <Yoda_Sabre> your burner slow knucks?
[03:01] <nalioth> w00t3284: only the kernel needs to live in a linux fs
[03:01] <knucks> no
[03:01] <winston> cfh_dev: nope, not installed
[03:01] <w00t3284> nalioth, wtf does symlink mean
[03:01] <nern> my burner wont burn at higher than 24x
[03:01] <w00t3284> i've only ever (successfully) installed Mandrake
[03:01] <w00t3284> if that gives you any idea of how n00bish i am
[03:02] <crimsun> capi: installed by default
[03:02] <cfh_dev> winston, you're going to need mpg123 or something comparable to play mp3s
[03:02] <spanglesontoast> does totem have an advanced prefs?
[03:02] <capi> w00t3284 symlink means symbolic link ln -s
[03:02] <crimsun> capi: kinda difficult to run gnome without it
[03:02] <Yoda_Sabre> only mandrake?
[03:02] <nern> mandrake is terrible
[03:02] <crimsun> capi: (2.6.4)
[03:02] <anto9us> w00t3284: symlink is a bit like a windows shortcut only a proper one ;)
[03:02] <othernoob> knucks sudo nano /etc/fstab
[03:02] <Yoda_Sabre> mandrake is wierd
[03:02] <capi> crimsun, I'm sure it would be by default if I didn't so a server. Do you know the package name?
[03:02] <crimsun> libgtk2.0-0
[03:02] <Yoda_Sabre> atleast it asks you to format a second hd unlink redhat7
[03:03] <othernoob> knucks there you'll see the mountpoint of your cdrom drive
[03:03] <spanglesontoast> does anyone know if lifeview is supported in linux as a tv card?
[03:03] <knucks> well ive got 3 cdrom drives
[03:03] <Yoda_Sabre> how would i ghost a windows os from linux
[03:03] <winston> cfh_dev thats not in the pkg list in synaptic
[03:04] <anto9us> spanglesontoast: see http://howtos.linux.com/howtos/BTTV/cards.shtml
[03:04] <[Bond] > any ideas on why apt would hang on me?
[03:05] <Yoda_Sabre> doesn't anyone got an idea how to ghost it?
[03:05] <[Bond] > if I ctrl-c on its "99% [working] " and then try the command again, it just hangs at "50% [Working] "
[03:05] <spanglesontoast> yea it's on there
[03:05] <spanglesontoast> what happens now?
[03:05] <Yoda_Sabre> bond could be power
[03:05] <cfh_dev> winston, you can also use lame
[03:05] <anto9us> Yoda_Sabre: you mean make a file image of the partition?
[03:06] <Yoda_Sabre> i had that when installing xp before
[03:06] <cfh_dev> winston, how did you install xmms?  What release of Ubuntu are you using?
[03:06] <Yoda_Sabre> no anto use xp through linux without loading the whole thing
[03:06] <spanglesontoast> does that mean the driver is in the kernel?
[03:06] <benjamin23> anyone here recommend me upgrading to breezy?
[03:06] <[Bond] > Yoda_Sabre: power?  as in the power supply?
[03:06] <crimsun> benjamin23: NO.
[03:06] <[Bond] > hrm
[03:06] <benjamin23> or it completely unstable?
[03:06] <crimsun> benjamin23: (read the topic again)
[03:07] <winston> cfh_dev 5.04
[03:07] <Yoda_Sabre> as in socket
[03:07] <benjamin23> ok
[03:07] <Yoda_Sabre> something was acting screwy with my powersupply on that plug
[03:07] <cfh_dev> winston, did you install xmms through apt?
[03:07] <winston> cfh_dev xmms was in the audio/video category in synaptic
[03:07] <benjamin23> crimsun, you know when 5.10 colony2 cd will be out?
[03:07] <Yoda_Sabre> witched it to a different outlet and all is fin
[03:08] <[Bond] > hm
[03:08] <Yoda_Sabre> fine*
[03:08] <anto9us> Yoda_Sabre: do you mean run windows in a virtual machine inside linux?
[03:08] <x_or> Anyone here know how to install Subversion in Apache2 from apt-get?  I cannot find the repository for libapache2-svn
[03:08] <[Bond] > I had the old server running on this outlet, but I'll try anything at this point
[03:08] <crimsun> benjamin23: no, but I presume a couple weeks.
[03:08] <crimsun> x_or: it's in universe.
[03:09] <x_or> crimsun:  Hmm, I enabled universe and multiverse, and updated, but I don't see it...
[03:09] <crimsun> x_or: I see it.
[03:09] <Yoda_Sabre> i found out the outlet cuz i took my pc to class and i had no problems
[03:09] <benjamin23> thanks
[03:09] <x_or> Hmm, I think I might have enabled security ubuntu, doh!
[03:09] <nern> breezy is prolly not a good idea right now
[03:10] <cfh_dev> winston, do you have /usr/lib/xmms/Input/libmpg123.so?
[03:10] <Yoda_Sabre> yes anto
[03:10] <Yoda_Sabre> wine does nto work for my programs though
[03:10] <x_or> Thanks crimsun.
[03:10] <Cleotis> Can someone tell me how to upgrade warty to hoary without updating the kernel version?
[03:11] <dssfilesharer_> is there a antivirus that self installs itself for ubuntu. i can not get it to install at all. trying to do clamav but says there is no package
[03:11] <Yoda_Sabre> im kina stuck with aohell and noe of the programs i tried could use that
[03:11] <cesar_> hi all , there is a program to edit the fstab ? , in a graphical way ?
[03:11] <crimsun> Cleotis: put your linux metapackage(s) on hold
[03:11] <spanglesontoast> anything better than gaim?
[03:12] <nern> no
[03:12] <anto9us> dssfilesharer_: did you look the link I gave you about adding repositories?
[03:12] <nern> gaim is the best of the best
[03:12] <Yoda_Sabre> what version is hoary?
[03:12] <spanglesontoast> 5.04?
[03:12] <winston> cfh_dev yes!! i have that one
[03:12] <dssfilesharer_> which link
[03:12] <dssfilesharer_> been trying everything
[03:12] <nern> yeh 5.04
[03:12] <Cleotis> crumsun: not sure what you mean
[03:13] <Yoda_Sabre> look up
[03:13] <cfh_dev> winston, that's the plugin you need to play mp3s in xmms
[03:13] <anto9us> dssfilesharer_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:13] <dssfilesharer_> cool. thanks alot
[03:13] <crimsun> Cleotis: what cpu?
[03:13] <spanglesontoast> that was a random guess
[03:13] <cesar_> winston , if you whant , you can use mplayer , it another media player
[03:13] <crimsun> Cleotis: and, did you install any optimised kernel?
[03:13] <cesar_> mplayer can play video and mp3 , it just a little tricky to make it work
[03:13] <Cleotis> crimsun: warty generic i386 32bit on amd64
[03:14] <crimsun> Cleotis: dpkg -l linux-386 |grep ^ii
[03:14] <Yoda_Sabre> anto know any way to do what i want without wine?
[03:14] <Cleotis> crimsun: ii  linux-386      2.6.8.1-13     Complete Linux kernel on 386.
[03:15] <spanglesontoast> what you trying to do yoda?
[03:15] <anto9us> Yoda_Sabre: check qemu
[03:15] <Yoda_Sabre> run xp from linux
[03:15] <spanglesontoast> oh dear
[03:15] <Yoda_Sabre> wine is a failure at running my progs
[03:15] <spanglesontoast> what you want to run
[03:15] <Yoda_Sabre> they don't start
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> yea
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> what are you trying to run
[03:16] <Yoda_Sabre> the latest one does that
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> what apps?
[03:16] <Yoda_Sabre> isp
[03:16] <anto9us> Yoda_Sabre: a little tip, if you type a person's full nick then they're less likeley to miss questions from you :)
[03:16] <Yoda_Sabre> and some other progs
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> internet service provider?????
[03:16] <Yoda_Sabre> aohell
[03:17] <Yoda_Sabre> im going to pay for a better one when i got the money
[03:17] <monchy> you poor soul
[03:17] <nern> wow
[03:17] <nern> yer already paying if you use aol
[03:17] <spanglesontoast> well I have cedega but that's mainly for games......
[03:17] <nern> damn
[03:17] <othernoob> nern dont state the obvious ;)
[03:17] <Yoda_Sabre> no im not
[03:17] <Yoda_Sabre> someone else is
[03:18] <spanglesontoast> oh is he using aol
[03:18] <Yoda_Sabre> there is multiple accounts you kow
[03:18] <spanglesontoast> hahahahahahaha
[03:18] <spanglesontoast> hahahahahahha
[03:18] <anto9us> Yoda_Sabre: there's an AOL dialer specifically for linux out there somewhere
[03:18] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> can't seem to find gstreamer0.8-lame on the repositories
[03:18] <Yoda_Sabre> it does not work
[03:18] <spanglesontoast> is it clockword/
[03:18] <spanglesontoast> *work
[03:18] <Yoda_Sabre> i tried it
[03:18] <nern> i think i just threw up in my mouth a little bit
[03:18] <crimsun> Cleotis: put that on hold
[03:18] <nalioth> Pop_pa_FrEaK: have u enabled the repositories?
[03:19] <nern> when the word aol was uttered
[03:19] <pfp> Pop_pa_FrEaK: backports
[03:19] <winston> cfh_dev cesar_ am trying to reinstall xmms with appropriate pluggins
[03:19] <anto9us> Yoda_Sabre: I think you'll be very lucky getting it to work through any kind of emulation
[03:19] <nalioth> Pop_pa_FrEaK: better to build from source, than get backports
[03:19] <Yoda_Sabre> i call it aohell for good reason
[03:19] <spanglesontoast> oh we called it much worse
[03:19] <novaflare> yoda_sabre why not just use a normal dialup connection for aol? Or do you need aols add ons (or want them)?
[03:19] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> doh!! thought I forgot something thanx guys
[03:19] <Yoda_Sabre> there should be one somewere
[03:19] <anto9us> Yoda_Sabre: see http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialAOL.html
[03:20] <nern> i pay 30 dollars a month for cable
[03:20] <Yoda_Sabre> im not using by chioce it is either this or no internet
[03:20] <nern> isnt that about how much aol is?
[03:20] <monchy> what about satellite internet?
[03:20] <Yoda_Sabre> fastnet is worse then aohell which is funny
[03:20] <alex_> hmm, can anyone help? every time i try to switch into administrator mode in kubuntu it doesn't work, it just hangs. also, whenever i try to do anything sudo in konsole, i get the message: "unable to lookup ubuntu via gethostbyname". what should i do? please help!
[03:20] <spanglesontoast> I guess your lucky moving to linux
[03:21] <Cleotis> crimsun: Not sure how to do that, any pointers for putting it on hold?
[03:21] <Yoda_Sabre> aol is 26 if you got unlimited
[03:21] <Jormundgand> alex_: #kubuntu
[03:21] <alex_> ahh
[03:21] <spanglesontoast> if you were on windows you would be in the arms of their messed up browser
[03:21] <alex_> woops
[03:21] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> still can't find it
[03:21] <will__> hello
[03:21] <anto9us> alex_: are you completely sure it's hung and there's not a dialog hidden somewhere asking for a password?
[03:21] <spanglesontoast> 30 for an 8mb yay
[03:21] <will__> can i ask a question here?
[03:21] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> did ubuntu drop mp3 support ?
[03:21] <alex_> yup
[03:21] <Yoda_Sabre> screw IE
[03:21] <cesar_> Yoda_Sabre: i will preffer use internet in the house of a friend, that use AOL :P
[03:21] <Jormundgand> Pop_pa_FrEaK: It had MP3 support to start with?
[03:22] <Yoda_Sabre> i use firefox as my defualt browser
[03:22] <Jormundgand> will__: No, questions are banned.
[03:22] <anto9us> will__: you just did but don't worry, you're not on a quota ;)
[03:22] <nern> all you need to do to get mp3 suppot is download a couple of packages though
[03:22] <pfp> alex_: add your hostname to /etc/hosts, on the line that begins with 127.0.0.1
[03:22] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> no Jormundgand it doesn't by default you need to add lame codec
[03:22] <Yoda_Sabre> anto i tried using that it did not work worth a damn
[03:22] <alex_> okay
[03:22] <spanglesontoast> I'm wondering is there a version of a dialer for aol for windows
[03:22] <winston> cfh_dev cesar_ am ok still wont work, xmms freezes when i click play
[03:22] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> but for some reason I can't install it from the repositories
[03:22] <Jormundgand> Pop_pa_FrEaK: I know that. But you made it sound like it had it by default once and now doesn't.
[03:22] <alex_> hmm it says i don't have enough privileges...
[03:23] <Yoda_Sabre> aol has a dialer on windows
[03:23] <othernoob> spanglesontoast: you think you'll find an aol user here? ;)
[03:23] <will__> im a TOTAL linux noob - i just downloaded the newest version of firefox (it was a tar.gz) i extracted it, but now i dont know what to do
[03:23] <pfp> alex_: oh yes, you need sudo or root access for that ;/
[03:23] <alex_> ya...
[03:23] <spanglesontoast> no
[03:23] <alex_> :(
[03:23] <cesar_> winston: hmmm , if you are in a mood to try , check this page . . .
[03:23] <othernoob> will__ is there a readme ?
[03:23] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> no I was just wondering if they had as alot of distros are dropping mp3 for licensing reasons
[03:23] <will__> no
[03:23] <Yoda_Sabre> does not load the whole program just enough to connect and use a browser like firefox
[03:23] <Jormundgand> will__: You don't need that. Get it from the repos.
[03:23] <spanglesontoast> just wondering so my mate can use it without the browser
[03:23] <nern> will_do you have ubuntu installed?
[03:23] <cesar_> winston: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/index.html
[03:23] <will__> haha yes
[03:23] <anto9us> Yoda_Sabre: then I've no ideas for you other than discouraging you from wasting time with trying to use emulation. I've not heard of that working... best option is an old machine acting as a proxy for you
[03:23] <cesar_> winston: or just put mplayer in uncle google
[03:23] <nern> will_ because it should be installed with ubuntu
[03:24] <will__> yeah i know but its 1.0.2
[03:24] <will__> and the most current version is 1.0.4
[03:24] <Jormundgand> will__: They backport the bugfixes.
[03:24] <will__> ?backport?
[03:24] <nern> will_ EXACTLY
[03:24] <Jormundgand> will__: Change the versionSub setting in about:config to 1.0.4 and cheat your way into the extensions section.
[03:24] <cesar_> winston: i you try mplayer , just check carefully the installing tutorials , good luck !
[03:24] <will__> hmm :/
[03:25] <will__> is that the only way?
[03:25] <Yoda_Sabre> they have done it for macs there might be one for linux out there
[03:25] <knucks> ok i cant get mp3 encoder working
[03:25] <winston> cesar_ i used mplayer in a knoppix system i had, will try it
[03:25] <nern> will_ the first thing to do now that you are using linux is try to get out of the windows program management mindset, when using ubuntu or another debian based distro you almost never have to download programs from a website
[03:25] <knucks> it tells me to install the gstreamer0.8-lame but tells me libc6 depends on some pacakge i cannot find
[03:25] <spanglesontoast> how do I get rid of recent stuff in places for good
[03:25] <will__> : o
[03:25] <spanglesontoast> *recent documents
[03:25] <will__> i had no idea >_<
[03:25] <anto9us> Yoda_Sabre: aah, I'm with you now, you've had it working as far as it's meant to. It just gives a connection.
[03:26] <nern> you can also get 1.0.4 going by either using the ubuntu backports or adding a sid repo and installing it from there
[03:26] <cesar_> will__: you can use the synaptic upgrade manager . . . i update my firefox in that way
[03:26] <Yoda_Sabre> i got no connection with it period
[03:26] <anto9us> Yoda_Sabre: emulation of the AOL software set to connect through tcp/ip is now a viable option
[03:27] <anto9us> Yoda_Sabre: firefox worked?
[03:27] <iceman> crap ... tried installing sshserver on my wifes pc ... on a ubuntu install
[03:27] <Yoda_Sabre> xp is getting annoying  but the programs i got are good ones just they are xp
[03:27] <Yoda_Sabre> firefox is great
[03:27] <cesar_> will__ or just click in the upgrade manager of ubuntu , they let you dl the newest firefox version
[03:27] <iceman> now i cannot start gnome or kde ..
[03:28] <Yoda_Sabre> peng does not work with my aol program for some reason
[03:28] <knucks> anyone?
[03:28] <shido6> what can I use in ubuntu to partition a disk?
[03:28] <anto9us> Yoda_Sabre: did it connect to the internet for you?
[03:28] <shido6> the xp partition is active and Im scared if I blow it away Im going to loose grub
[03:28] <Yoda_Sabre> no
[03:28] <shido6> and making a bootdisk doesnt seem to work
[03:28] <spanglesontoast> is there a way to get rid of the recent documents bit on places?
[03:28] <nern> cesar_  no it wont upgrade him to 1.0.4 because ubuntu rather than changing the version number just backports the security patches to 1.0.2, so if he wants to get 1.0.4 he will need to either change his repos or do what Jormundgand said
[03:28] <shido6> too big to fit on a floppy
[03:29] <othernoob> shido6 qtparted
[03:29] <shido6> unless you know how to make a boto disk .iso
[03:29] <Yoda_Sabre> shido just doing mess with the xp partition and your fine
[03:29] <nalioth> shido6: qtparted or parted (command line)
[03:29] <anto9us> Yoda_Sabre: you said it connected and you used firefox didn't you?
[03:29] <Yoda_Sabre> i got a dualboot on here
[03:29] <nalioth> shido6: if data loss is no problem, use fdisk
[03:29] <Yoda_Sabre> 20gig linux 60gig xp
[03:29] <cesar_> nern: thanks ! , i doesnt know that :P
[03:29] <shido6> windows is 112 GB , I initially installed ubuntu as a 2ndary os
[03:29] <Yoda_Sabre> no i use firefox on xp
[03:29] <shido6> now that windows is screwed because of some virus
[03:29] <shido6> my partition is useless
[03:30] <shido6> so i want to use it for ubuntu as well
[03:30] <Yoda_Sabre> aol is the isp i got
[03:30] <shido6> for storage
[03:30] <knucks> anyone ? why cant i rip mp3s
[03:30] <nern> cesar_ :)
[03:30] <Yoda_Sabre> it does not work with peng
[03:30] <shido6> yeah I should use fdisk, do it old school, thanks nalioth
[03:30] <Yoda_Sabre> shido wait
[03:30] <shido6> how do I make a bootdisk first, tho
[03:30] <nern> nooooo
[03:30] <shido6> :)
[03:30] <nern> yeah
[03:30] <Yoda_Sabre> use partition magic
[03:30] <nern> wait
[03:31] <Yoda_Sabre> partition magic does not kill your files
[03:31] <spanglesontoast> is there a way to get rid of the recent documents bit on places?
[03:31] <shido6> partition magic ? boot from the cd, delete the partition? it says its an active parittion and I have to make some other partition active
[03:31] <winston> cesar_ cfh_dev tried reinstalling xmms with pluggins, still freezes when i try to load a file-- will try mplayer
[03:31] <Yoda_Sabre> but shindo did you try the online scans
[03:31] <hawat> hello all
[03:31] <walid> hi
[03:31] <walid> i am just install ubuntu
[03:31] <knucks> HELP anyone
[03:31] <will__> How can I take all my AAC's off my iPod, and copy them onto my Ubuntu dis?
[03:31] <will__> k
[03:31] <nern> if you want to completely redo yer partitions and start from scratch i like to use the MEPIS livecd which includes qtparted which is a pretty nice parition program, then you can reboot and install windows and then ubuntu
[03:32] <Yoda_Sabre> shindo partition magic moves files to the new partition of the one they use
[03:32] <walid> so can some one tell me how to update it
[03:32] <walid> ?
[03:32] <Razor-X> shido6: delete the main partition, create two new ones, one with just plain free space in it, and the other with NTFS on it
[03:32] <walid> can some one hel me pleas?
[03:32] <winston> cesar_ cfh_dev am starting to think its my sound card
[03:32] <Yoda_Sabre> you might not need to erase windows at all
[03:32] <Razor-X> if you want to double boot Ubuntu and Windows XP, that is
[03:32] <walid> that is simpel
[03:32] <Yoda_Sabre> check it using panda or trendmirco
[03:32] <cesar_> winston: you dont hear any sound ?
[03:33] <hawat> question: does kernel recognize xeon processor?
[03:33] <Yoda_Sabre> razor partition magic will move his windows files
[03:33] <cesar_> winston: because i have the samen problem , i dont have sound in ubuntu , i event have tried to install any mediaplayer , LOL
[03:33] <Yoda_Sabre> i used it before
[03:33] <walid> i wana update the seysteem can some one help me pleas
[03:33] <capi> Is there a way I can include a file when ./configuring an item? For example instead of `./configre --lots --of --things=/to/enter' `./configre <file>' ? Or any other way to save all the typing for long configs
[03:33] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> anyone knw of a tutorial for adding musepack encoding ?
[03:33] <cesar_> winston: i remember mplayer because i used it in Fedora
[03:34] <winston> cesar_ i do hear sound on ogg, i guess your right
[03:34] <will__> How can I copy all my AAC's from my iPod onto my Ubuntu harddisk?
[03:34] <winston> cesar I get a short noise everytime i open and clos a sound prog
[03:34] <Cleotis> crimsun: I figured it out, thank you for your help
[03:34] <Jormundgand> will__: As I told you, Ubuntu will treat the iPod like a memory stick.
[03:35] <Razor-X> capi: jusw write a script with ./configure --lots --of --things=/to/enter'
[03:35] <winston> cesar_ does mplayer work for you in ubuntu?
[03:35] <Razor-X> `./configre <file>'
[03:35] <will__> hes but the AAC part
[03:35] <Razor-X> and then run the script itself
[03:35] <Jormundgand> It'll recognise the files.
[03:35] <cesar_> winston: same as i, but my sound card (a cmedia chip) is not suported by ubuntu at all :P
[03:35] <Jormundgand> But look at the restricted formats wiki page to see if you need a package so Ubuntu understands the AAC files as music.
[03:35] <cesar_> winston: nop , it worked great in Fedora , but Fedora is  Redhat like distribution
[03:36] <nern> its not hard to get yer multimedia fully functional in ubuntu
[03:37] <cesar_> nern: hmm , do you think there is a way to solve my sound problem ?
[03:37] <winston> cesar_ do you get any sound ? like beeps and chirps login sound etc?
[03:37] <cesar_> nern: im just waiting to buy another sound card , i have tried everything
[03:38] <will__> can i get a link for restricted formats in the wiki?
[03:38] <will__> am i asking that right?
[03:38] <cesar_> winston: not a single wistle ;) , but that help me to work , i dont loose time chosing mp3
[03:38] <bratsche> cesar from #mono?
[03:38] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> anyone know how to install musepack libs ?
[03:38] <gopher3234> mp3 playback for xmms?
[03:38] <nern> cesar_: if yer sound card was supported by fedora then linux can support it, you just may have to go through the trouble of compiling yer own kernel
[03:38] <winston> cesar_ lol I guess we dont hav the same prob then, cause i get system sounds and all
[03:39] <blueyed> will__: just use the wiki search function.
[03:39] <winston> gopher3234 yeah you have a prob playing mp3s??
[03:39] <cesar_> bratsche: nop , im in a newly linux user , im on my 3rd month
[03:39] <will__> wheres that :-[
[03:39] <gopher3234> yes
[03:39] <winston> gopher3234 same here
[03:39] <bratsche> cesar_: Ah, cool.  Well it's great to have you all the same. :)
[03:40] <winston> gopher3234 what prog u use?
[03:40] <anto9us> nern: compilation shouldn't be necesary under ubuntu, everything is in modules
[03:40] <gopher3234> Xmms?
[03:40] <cesar_> nern: like . . . get my kernel , and then select my packages ??
[03:40] <gopher3234> winston, XMMS
[03:40] <anto9us> cesar_: what is the chip of your cmedia?
[03:40] <nern> anto9us: its just weird like if it was supported in fedora shouldnt ubuntu support it too, i mean its all the same linux
[03:41] <blueyed> will__: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage/searchwiki
[03:41] <Razor-X> damned greek alphabet... can't stand it!
[03:41] <blueyed> will__: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:41] <winston> gopher3234 same here, Mine freezes when i try to play mp3s or .pls
[03:41] <cesar_> anto9us: CMI9761
[03:41] <gopher3234> winston, yes. same problem
[03:41] <Razor-X> anto9us: there are definite advantages to compilation over modules
[03:41] <cesar_> anto9us: its a sound card integrated to the motherboard
[03:41] <gopher3234> ive been asking my linux peoples, so then one referred me to "Get the fuck on IRC"
[03:41] <gopher3234> so i'm like : kk
[03:42] <nern> cesar_: you dont want to do it.... there isnt even a kernel-image in the ubuntu repos let alone another kernel-source, so if you wanted to do it you would have to get the source elsewhere and it would just be a big mess.
[03:42] <nern> yeah
[03:42] <will__> blueyed: thanks ;)
[03:42] <nern> i just got on here for the first time last night gopher3234
[03:42] <metalsand> What's the fastest booting Linux live CD?
[03:42] <nern> similiar situation here
[03:42] <nern> DSL
[03:43] <nern> Damn Small Linux has got to be the fastest booting linux live cd
[03:43] <Razor-X> i'm gonna remaster it myself, soon enough
[03:43] <metalsand> Hrmm, does it support video playback?
[03:43] <rizla> hi
[03:43] <blueyed> hi rizla  ;)
[03:43] <metalsand> Remaster DSL, Razor-X?
[03:43] <mark_> hi
[03:43] <Razor-X> metalsand: there's a Live CD that boots up staright into MPlayer and can play a file in a directory
[03:43] <rizla> what package i have to install to view .rm files with totem?
[03:43] <Razor-X> metalsand: yeahp
[03:44] <nalioth> metalsand: nern, thats a good ???, since most of the live cds run the knoppix model startup
[03:44] <anto9us> Razor-X: yes, swings and roundabouts though I suppose :)
[03:44] <metalsand> Razor-X: No way!
[03:44] <cesar_> nern: i check in the web, and the problems seems to be the ALSA , cmedia send my to the ALSA webpage, and ALSA dont support my soundcard , ho ho ho ho.
[03:44] <Razor-X> metalsand: yes way ;)
[03:44] <metalsand> Incoming querey, Razor-X
[03:44] <winston> gopher3234 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35734
[03:44] <Razor-X> metalsand: mmmkay
[03:44] <nern> nalioth: im not sure i know what you mean by thats a good ???
[03:45] <gopher3234> <3
[03:45] <rizla> Razor-X: i'd like to view .rm files with totem. what pack do i need?
[03:45] <nern> i always have like the MEPIS livecd even though it uses kde
[03:45] <nalioth> nern, if all live cds boot using the knoppix boot sequencer, shouldnt they all be about the same time loading?
[03:45] <phxguy> Can anybody help me with a problem im having running Acrobat reader
[03:45] <shido6> ok
[03:45] <shido6> 112 GB gone
[03:45] <Razor-X> rizla: not sure, not a totem user myself
[03:45] <shido6> I dont want to reboot
[03:45] <pfp> rizla: win32codecs i thnk
[03:45] <shido6> how do I add a ntfs partition in ubuntu
[03:45] <Razor-X> I use VLC, it can handle just about any format
[03:45] <rizla> ok, thanx
[03:45] <nalioth> phxguy: use xpdf or kpdf
[03:46] <rizla> can you see .rm files with vlc?
[03:46] <venezolano> ALGUIEN HABLA ESPAOL??????????????????
[03:46] <nern> nalioth, yeah i suppose but then DSL doesnt have to load gnome or kde, it just has to load fluxbox
[03:46] <cesar_> shido6: look for the ntfs project
[03:46] <blueyed> KJHKJ ZAUIH KJA SLKUJ, venezolano ? ;)
[03:46] <shido6> hrmm
[03:46] <Razor-X> venezolano: I don't mean to disrespect, but all Spanish speakers tend to do that when tehy enter a channel
[03:46] <nalioth> nern: so you shave a few seconds off the X progs loading
[03:46] <cesar_> shido6: they make a way to see the ntfs file system, but you cannot  modify the files
[03:47] <Razor-X> venezolano: please teach the others who do that some manners, and no, no hablamos espanol
[03:47] <venezolano> OK THANKS
[03:47] <rizla> Razor-X: can you see .rm files with vlc?
[03:47] <anto9us> cesar_: there's a bugzilla entry for your cmedia problem https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7997
[03:47] <nalioth> shido6: why would you want to desecrate your ubuntu by messing with ntfs?
[03:47] <Razor-X> rizla: I'm pretty sure, not hundred-percent on that
[03:47] <pfp> some repo even has a "real" realplayer but i havent tried it
[03:47] <nern> nalioth: i suppose, i was just trying to answer the guys question, he wanted to know what the fastest one was, not the best. I personally dont like DSL, becuase it never detects my ethernet card.
[03:47] <cesar_> Venezolano: hola ! , hay un canal llamado ubuntu-es creo , donde hablan espaol , suerte !
[03:47] <Razor-X> rizla: VLC is kickass, it can play almost any format out of the box
[03:47] <cody> I installed unrar and I can't unrar a .rar, it just fails for every file
[03:47] <nalioth> rizla: you can see older .rm files anywhwere, as long as you have the w32codecs
[03:47] <cesar_> anto9us: Great ! , thanks a lot :D
[03:47] <venezolano> GRACIAS
[03:47] <rizla> i can't..
[03:48] <blueyed> cody: try the rar package.
[03:48] <nern> real player for linux isnt supposed to near as horrific as the windows version
[03:48] <pfp> cody: 'rar x foo.rar' ?
[03:48] <Razor-X> cesar_: I thought this was an all-English channel?
[03:48] <spanglesontoast> anyone know amsn where I convert is once I have install imagemagick
[03:48] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> rizla do this in console --->sudo apt-get install realplayer
[03:48] <rizla> i already have realplayer
[03:48] <cesar_> nailoth: probably shido have the same situation that me , i have 20 gigs of mp3 in a ntfs hdd system
[03:48] <rizla> but i haven't w32codecs..
[03:49] <cody> doesnt work pfp, i installed unrar, not rar.. do I need to install the rar program as well?
[03:49] <rizla> perhaps i have to add some repository?
[03:49] <Razor-X> spanglesontoast: locate imagemagick
[03:49] <nalioth> nern: i don't use any of them, i run a iBook, just pointing out the boot sequence is pretty much the same on all
[03:49] <cesar_> Razor-X: yup , thats why i send him to the spanish channel ;)
[03:49] <Razor-X> metalsand: you mean, streamed data?
[03:49] <anto9us> night all
[03:49] <Razor-X> cesar_: ahh, good job ;)
[03:49] <nalioth> rizla: search ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ for 'restricted formats"
[03:49] <Razor-X> I've memorized the words for "We don't speak Spanish" ;)
[03:49] <nern> nalioth: i love you.......
[03:49] <winston> gopher3234 it hasnt done anything for me.
[03:49] <rizla> ok, thanx a lot nalioth
[03:50] <spanglesontoast> didn't work in terminal
[03:50] <gopher3234> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:50] <Razor-X> nern: use VLC, it can play almost every restricted format
[03:50] <gopher3234> winston, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats    I'm reading around
[03:50] <nalioth> cesar_: ?no hablamos espanol acqu? NO!
[03:50] <gopher3234> VLC is a piece of shit.
[03:50] <gopher3234> i used it on FC3
[03:50] <gopher3234> haated it.
[03:50] <Razor-X> gopher3234: how can you hate VLC?!
[03:50] <dssfilesharer_> i have tried everything for antivirus. but i cant get nothing to work. is there one that will install itself instead of all this command line stuff. thanks
[03:50] <cody> VLC is awesome
[03:50] <gopher3234> but if you can't get anything else working, get it
[03:50] <cesar_> i can show you some ways to do that, i live in Mexico and spanish is my natural lenguage :P
[03:50] <gopher3234> XMMS>VLC so hard
[03:50] <Razor-X> gopher3234: psshhh, no other Media Player comes _close_
[03:50] <nern> Razor-x: im not having the problem...i believe that it is rizla
[03:50] <nalioth> dssfilesharer_: why do you need a antivirus? linux has no known virii
[03:51] <Razor-X> can you do a network stream of your desktop from XMMS?
[03:51] <Razor-X> I think _not_!
[03:51] <cody> I use BMP for mp3's
[03:51] <cody> VLC for videos
[03:51] <dssfilesharer_> cool so i dont need , lol. all this trouble for nothing. thanks
[03:51] <nalioth> cesar_: were you addressing me with your last statement?
[03:51] <cody> BMP is very wicked
[03:51] <Razor-X> I use VLC for Audio and Video ;)
[03:51] <Razor-X> what's BMP?
[03:51] <Razor-X> BitMaP? ;)
[03:51] <nern> dssfilesharer: yeah you dont have to worry about spyware or virii in linux
[03:51] <cody> BMP is Beep Media Player
[03:52] <nalioth> dssfilesharer_: clamav exists so that (if we are courteus) we can scan our files b4 sending them to mom on her windoze box
[03:52] <nern> BMP is pretty much a winamp clone... its better than XMMS though
[03:52] <cesar_> nalioth: nop , i was adressing Razor-X , about ways to say "go to the spanish channel , we dont speak spanish here"
[03:52] <cody> http://www.sosdg.org/~larne/w/BMP_Homepage
[03:52] <Razor-X> cody: can it play everything out-of-the-box, like VLC?
[03:52] <nalioth> cesar_: ah, i usually send folks to their respective language chans
[03:52] <rizla> and.. does somebody know how to stop "free the fish"?
[03:53] <Razor-X> we should add the language links to the topic
[03:53] <nalioth> cesar_: i drive a taxi in Houston, Tx, and speak a little bit spanish <lol>
[03:53] <cody> Razor-X: I don't know, I havent tried it with videos yet.
[03:53] <Razor-X> cody: can it play audio out-of-the-box?
[03:53] <cody> It can play audio, yes.
[03:53] <cody> No plugins requited, like xmms
[03:53] <ccc> BMP plays audio only.
[03:53] <nalioth> Razor-X: beep media player is a fork of xmms
[03:53] <dssfilesharer_> ok. is there a popup blocker for linux and spyware software or isnt that needed either. thanks
[03:53] <Razor-X> cody: mmm, I see
[03:54] <xuser_> Okay.
[03:54] <Razor-X> I don't know... hmmm....
[03:54] <nalioth> dssfilesharer_: i recommend a good "hosts" file and firefox
[03:54] <roxville> get the unofficial ubuntu add-on cd. it has most of the extras you need
[03:54] <Razor-X> should I give up VLC for audio....
[03:54] <spanglesontoast> what is that a dumb question asking if linux get spyware
[03:54] <cody> Yes, You should
[03:54] <cody> BMP is much better, And much nicer.
[03:54] <cesar_> nailoth: lol , thats a work where you can learn a lot of things right ? ;)
[03:54] <nalioth> Razor-X: vlc is the only thing that plays aacplus (www.tuner2.com)
[03:54] <dssfilesharer_> what do u mean by a good host. i am new to linux
[03:54] <ccc> xmms = ugly winamp-clone. bmp = nicer looking winamp-clone :)
[03:54] <Razor-X> cody: ok then, I think i'll try it on Windows, right now
[03:54] <nalioth> cesar_: si senor
[03:55] <Razor-X> ccc: but Winamp needs codecs
[03:55] <`psycho> hi ppls
[03:55] <dssfilesharer_> wher edo you get unofficial ubunu ad-on cd
[03:55] <`psycho> having issues with torsmo
[03:55] <`psycho> can somebody help pls?
[03:55] <Razor-X> cesar_: I learn my bits of Spanish from San Jose, California ;)
[03:55] <cody> :)
[03:55] <Razor-X> one of the unjotted HS grad requirements is the ability to curse in at least three languages, unincluding your native tongue
[03:55] <spanglesontoast> how do I install .bin
[03:55] <Razor-X> of course, I can already do about 6 ;)
[03:55] <cesar_> nailoth Razos-X : lol , i work in a museum in Mexico , we have a lot of turist people , so i can work my english :D
[03:56] <nalioth> spanglesontoast: ./filename.bin
[03:56] <winston> cesar_ i found it
[03:56] <winston> not your prob, but in case your wondering
[03:56] <ccc> Razor-X: the best audio player if you have a big collection and want implemented audioscrobbler is amaroK. actually, it has to be the best audio player ever for any platform. :)
[03:56] <ian> hello ppl..
[03:56] <nalioth> cesar_: esta 70% latino en houston, tenga muchos clientes latino
[03:56] <`psycho> tersmo-issues-help?
[03:56] <`psycho> :D
[03:56] <cody> amarok? never heard of it.
[03:56] <ian> how do i install a *.deb ?
[03:56] <winston> cesar_ switching output in the preferences of xmms does the trick
[03:56] <spanglesontoast> sudo: ./amsn-0.94-3-linux-installer.bin: command not found
[03:57] <rizla> it works!
[03:57] <Razor-X> ian: sudo dpkg -i xxx.deb
[03:57] <rizla> i've installe w32codecs and it works!
[03:57] <rizla> thanx to everybody
[03:57] <rizla> goodnight
[03:57] <Razor-X> ccc: can it play audio without codecs?
[03:57] <nalioth> spanglesontoast: chmod +x filename.bin
[03:57] <ccc> cody: http://amarok.kde.org/
[03:57] <`psycho> a little help please? :)
[03:57] <nalioth> spanglesontoast: that makes it executable, then run the ./filename.bin
[03:57] <Razor-X> I know Kubuntu comes with AmaroX
[03:58] <Razor-X> *Amarok
[03:58] <nalioth> you don't need kubuntu for amarok
[03:58] <ccc> Razor-X: no, the codecs are not built in, but i prefer that.
[03:58] <cesar_> winston: great ! , i found a treat about my sound card . . .
[03:58] <Razor-X> nalioth: I know that
[03:58] <Razor-X> ccc: not for me then ;)
[03:58] <spanglesontoast> best to install as sudo?
[03:59] <ccc> it comes with a bunch of codecs though
[03:59] <cody> Damnit all, I still can't figure out this stupid RAR Thing
[03:59] <[Spooky] > what firewall do you guys recomend ?
[03:59] <ccc> i think
[03:59] <ian> when i have installed a .deb . error occured. dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of kiax:
[03:59] <ian>  kiax depends on libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4); however:
[03:59] <ian>   Package libqt3c102-mt is not installed.
[03:59] <ian> how do i resolve this problem?
[03:59] <nalioth> [Spooky] : the builtin one
[03:59] <Razor-X> ian: why use .deb, why not use apt-get?
[03:59] <nalioth> spanglesontoast: if you trust the source, or it is a system proggy (or both)
[03:59] <spanglesontoast> ah ok
[03:59] <[Spooky] > nalioth: witch is called ?
[03:59] <ian> Razor-X: ok.. how would i do that? im really new in linux..
[04:00] <nalioth> [Spooky] : iptables, i believe
[04:00] <[Spooky] > nalioth: ok how do i use it ?
[04:00] <j1m33> i really enjoy m0n0wall, but that would require an additional box. http://www.m0n0.ch
[04:00] <nalioth> [Spooky] : go to newsforge.com and read down a little bit, there was an article on mangling yer linux fw2
[04:00] <nalioth> [Spooky] : managing your linux firewall
[04:01] <Razor-X> j1m33: for that, I prefer Smoothwall
[04:01] <ian> razor-x: how do i apt get kiax (iax voip softphone).
[04:01] <spanglesontoast> smoothwall so much easier
[04:01] <spanglesontoast> in one lovely config file
[04:01] <spanglesontoast> called rules
[04:02] <geetergod> Whats something i should download thats cool?...
[04:02] <saber_> porn
[04:02] <geetergod> I have the CD burner prgram, limewire, xmms, xine...
[04:02] <geetergod> no not porn haha
[04:02] <dssfilesharer_> anyone have a link to where i can download the unbuntu add-on cd. its not available on ubuntu anymore
[04:02] <Razor-X> ian: sudo apt-get install kiax
[04:03] <nalioth> geetergod: how do you want to d/l?
[04:03] <spanglesontoast> hey last time I looked there was a huge moth on my wall
[04:03] <cesar_> dssfilesharer_ you have tried the bittorrent ?
[04:03] <Razor-X> geetergod: VLC ;)
[04:03] <spanglesontoast> now it's dead without me touching it
[04:03] <geetergod> just through sudo apt-get... thats fun (im new to linux)
[04:03] <spanglesontoast> weird
[04:03] <geetergod> VLC?
[04:03] <dssfilesharer_> last time i mess with bitorrent i got a nasty letter
[04:03] <Razor-X> spanglesontoast: maybe because bugs die faster than you do? ;)
[04:04] <Razor-X> geetergod: the best Media Player ever ;)
[04:04] <ian> razor-x: can i pm you with the error msg i get?
[04:04] <cesar_> dssfilesharer_ ???? nasty letter ?
[04:04] <geetergod> ya?
[04:04] <geetergod> worth getting?
[04:04] <Razor-X> dssfilesharer_: haha!
[04:04] <NicP> they send those out too dssfilesharer_
[04:04] <Razor-X> be more careful next time
[04:04] <Razor-X> geetergod: can play almost any format out-of-the-box
[04:04] <dssfilesharer_> yes my isp sent letter saying i was stealing movies and that my service will cut off
[04:04] <NicP> ive started using torrents, hopefully i wont get one too
[04:04] <geetergod> sweet
[04:04] <geetergod> sudo apt-get install vls?
[04:04] <nalioth> geetergod: ah, i thought you wanted to do some serious data throughput damage to someone
[04:04] <Razor-X> my ISP doesen't give a crap
[04:04] <Razor-X> geetergod: yeahp
[04:05] <geetergod> kool, i'll give it a shot
[04:05] <nalioth> geetergod: start up synaptic and peruse teh "games" section
[04:05] <Razor-X> I can get gigs of illegal stuff, and they don't really care
[04:05] <NicP> dssfilesharer_,  do u think they actually have  record of which torrents u used?
[04:05] <ccc> oh, here's a great short description of amaroK: http://www.kde.org.uk/apps/amarok/
[04:05] <ian> Razor-X: can you help me with my problem. after i apt get..there is an error..can i pm it to u?
[04:05] <NicP> i dont like amarok
[04:05] <geetergod> ok nalioth
[04:05] <psychonate> um
[04:05] <dssfilesharer_> yes cause they told what movie and what time and they were on the money
[04:05] <Razor-X> ian: put it on Pastebin
[04:05] <spanglesontoast> lol ya
[04:05] <nalioth> ian: if its someinhg about a gpg key, its harmless
[04:05] <spanglesontoast> I think I may go to sleep
[04:05] <cesar_> dssfilesharer_ come to Mexico ! , we have so many problems about stealing propety , that internet is the last of them :D
[04:05] <psychonate> I cannot read the man page for 'rename' because it apparently contains some symbols that I cannot display.
[04:06] <ian> Razor-X: what is the url ?
[04:06] <Razor-X> dssfilesharer_: advice: change ISPs
[04:06] <dssfilesharer_> so i like to use mirc as much as possible never been busted on mirc in 5 years i use it
[04:06] <dssfilesharer_> only one fast isp here
[04:06] <Razor-X> dssfilesharer_: it's NOT mIRC
[04:06] <psychonate> I would like to fix this, as it is difficult to use man pages that are not entirely legible.
[04:06] <nalioth> ian: pastebin.com
[04:06] <Razor-X> I don't caps often, but I get very emotional
[04:06] <Razor-X> it's NOT NOT NOT called mIRC
[04:06] <Razor-X> the protocol is IRC, mIRC is a n00bs client
[04:06] <Razor-X> remember that
[04:06] <dssfilesharer_> oik
[04:06] <dssfilesharer_> ok
[04:07] <psychonate> Does anyone have an idea why I cannot display these characters, or does anyone want me to copy/paste a sample?
[04:07] <Th4tBa5t4rd> Welp, installation complete... doing updates then...frackin video driver
[04:07] <Razor-X> psychonate: what IRC client are you using?
[04:07] <psychonate> no, no
[04:07] <psychonate> a man page entry
[04:07] <psychonate> I cannot read all of it apparently
[04:07] <ian> Razor-X; http://pastebin.com/293028
[04:07] <Razor-X> ohhh, you can't see the special characters in the man entry?
[04:07] <geetergod> ok i installed vls, now where is it?
[04:07] <psychonate> yes
[04:07] <cesar_> hmmm , one question anyone . . . i dl a alsa patch . . . (alsa-bk-2005-03-24.path.gz) how i can make it work ?
[04:07] <psychonate> well, I'm assuming they are special characters
[04:07] <Razor-X> then, try and install the extra fonts, psychonate
[04:07] <ian> nalioth: thanks for the url..
[04:08] <psychonate> ...I don't really know for sure obviously lol
[04:08] <Razor-X> geetergod: run vlc from command line
[04:08] <nalioth> psychonate: yes, install every font pkg you can see
[04:08] <spanglesontoast> manwhore IRC
[04:08] <spanglesontoast> mirc
[04:08] <spanglesontoast> :D
[04:08] <psychonate> holy moses
[04:08] <psychonate> I'll give it a go I guess
[04:08] <geetergod> no configuration file found
[04:09] <Razor-X> ian: that's because you dpkg -i before you apt-get'd
[04:09] <geetergod> oh its vlc?
[04:09] <Razor-X> spanglesontoast: that's too mild
[04:09] <geetergod> wonder what vls was i just downloaded? :)
[04:09] <ian> Razor-X: ic.. how do i resolve this problem? :(
[04:09] <spanglesontoast> what too much or just too less
[04:09] <spanglesontoast> ?
[04:10] <nalioth> geetergod: a flyswatter will help, when it rears its ugly head
[04:10] <geetergod> ah crap haha
[04:10] <geetergod> thats not what i wanted to here
[04:10] <Razor-X> ian: dpkg -r kiax
[04:10] <geetergod> hear*
[04:10] <Razor-X> and then run "apt-get install kiax" again
[04:11] <Razor-X> spanglesontoast: too less
[04:11] <Razor-X> geetergod: me too ;)
[04:11] <psychonate> hmmm
[04:11] <Razor-X> hikaru79: opening at 3-4!
[04:11] <psychonate> what is the easiest way to install all packages beginning with "xfonts?"
[04:11] <Razor-X> psychonate: read the GUI
[04:11] <Davey> is there some GUI for setting my firewall up?
[04:12] <zenwhen> firestarter
[04:12] <ian> Razor-X: package kiax not available.. :(
[04:12] <psychonate> how about:
[04:12] <spanglesontoast> hmmmm
[04:12] <psychonate> "sudo apt-get install xfonts*" ?
[04:12] <Razor-X> ian: is that output from apt-get or dpkg?
[04:12] <hikaru79> Aack, Ubuntu killed my Windows XP's boot thing :( When installing, it asked if I wanted it to write to MBR, so I said yes, thinking it would be Okay. Now when I try to boot into windows (The grub entry DOES show up at least), it says that there was a problem with the boot path. I know for sure that the windows partition wasn't damaged or anything, because I can mount it from Linux and stuff, so all the data is still there. How can I get it
[04:12] <hikaru79> to boot XP again? :(
[04:12] <psychonate> uh ohs, conflict
[04:12] <hikaru79> Razor-X, 16-16! :D
[04:12] <hikaru79> Do you play? ^_^
[04:12] <ian> razor-x: output from apt-get..
[04:12] <Davey> zenwhen: was that to me?
[04:12] <Razor-X> hikaru79: yeahp, I play!
[04:12] <Razor-X> and i'll help you too
[04:12] <hikaru79> Razor-X, wow! ^_^ How strong are you?
[04:13] <Razor-X> weak!!! ;)
[04:13] <hikaru79> =/ Aw
[04:13] <Razor-X> but, i'm learning
[04:13] <hikaru79> How weak is weak?
[04:13] <Razor-X> if you colud help me learn though, i'll help you with linux
[04:13] <ian> Razor-X: its the output of apt-get
[04:13] <raDeon> football is football
[04:13] <Razor-X> mmmm, can't remember the kyu offhand
[04:13] <raDeon> unless it's...football
[04:13] <hikaru79> I'm around 10k by KGS standards, and 7k by IGS standards
[04:13] <Razor-X> hikaru79: you _must_ play teaching games with me!!!
[04:13] <hikaru79> ^_^ I gladly will!
[04:13] <Razor-X> thanks!
[04:13] <hikaru79> :D
[04:13] <Razor-X> ok, to your problem
[04:14] <hikaru79> Will you be on in a few hours?
[04:14] <Razor-X> what's the /dev address?
[04:14] <hikaru79> /dev/hda4
[04:14] <Razor-X> hikaru79: possible
[04:14] <Razor-X> *possibly
[04:14] <psychonate> Is there any way I can exclude a single package from the previoulsy mentioned command?
[04:15] <spanglesontoast> alrite going off now
[04:15] <spanglesontoast> nite nite
[04:15] <whnp> hi there, does anyone know of a way to bulk import pictures into OO.o?
[04:16] <ian> Razor-X: still there? :()
[04:16] <Davey> Xorg is using up 100% of my CPU for no damn reason, any ideas?
[04:16] <Razor-X> ian: yeah
[04:16] <Razor-X> ian: did I forget you?
[04:16] <Razor-X> sorry, my go-obsesedness got to me
[04:17] <ian> Razor-X: yes..its ok. :) its an error of apt-get.. :(
[04:17] <Razor-X> first apt-get install libqt3c102-mt then dpkg -i
[04:17] <ian> Razor-X: how can i install kiax in my ubuntu? :)
[04:19] <nern> i want a program that will let me actually install windows and run it inside windows, like virtualpc on the mac. I dont like wine and it never works right, and there are only 2 applications that I want to be able to use from windows so i dont mind using something like virtual pc
[04:19] <linuxpoet> VMWare
[04:19] <knucks> anyone here have their mp3 encoder (gstreamer-lame) working?
[04:20] <knucks> please i dont know how to get it working..help
[04:20] <linuxpoet> Or qemu nern
[04:20] <nern> okay thanks
[04:20] <rg58sma> how is the command to reconf x1
[04:20] <rg58sma> x11
[04:20] <knucks> anyone?\
[04:20] <knucks> PLEASE
[04:21] <ProtoformX> Ah, pardon me.. I was recently directed to Ubuntu as a possibility for an OS to use..  I am sort of looking for one to correct my current problem, that this computer doesn't seem to have proper drivers for my current OS.  I was wondering if anyone knew how abundant Abuntu's driver base happens to be..?
[04:22] <linuxpoet> Ubuntu's drivers are just as wide as any linux
[04:22] <rg58sma> hi
[04:22] <psychonate> knucks, grip+lame is good for mp3 encoding, though I prefer Ogg Vorbis myself
[04:23] <ProtoformX> Hm.
[04:23] <knucks> i cant install gstreamer0.8-lame
[04:23] <knucks> says it depends on libc6 WHICH I HAVE
[04:23] <knucks> but it says i dont
[04:23] <linuxpoet> knucks enable your universe repository
[04:23] <linuxpoet> then do apt-get update
[04:23] <linuxpoet> apt-get upgrade
[04:23] <psychonate> also,
[04:23] <psychonate> you probably just want lame for encoding
[04:24] <ian> Razor-X: after a apt-get finish i issue command dpkg ... there is an error: http://pastebin.com/293035
[04:24] <psychonate> I think gstreamer-lame is just a plugin for gstreamer
[04:24] <knucks> ill try..
[04:24] <knucks> i cant encode mp3..
[04:24] <knucks> everything is installed except gstreamer
[04:24] <psychonate> hmm, I'm getting a 404: Authorization Required
[04:24] <psychonate> when trying to fetch some packages
[04:25] <ProtoformX> Well, at least on this box, it was a bit annoying searching for the drivers I needed..  Both for sound, and graphics.. So what I perhaps should have asked is if Abuntu actually has the drivers easily accessable and usable..
[04:25] <hikaru79> Protoform, sound is usually working out-of-the-box. What video card do you have?
[04:25] <hikaru79> If it's Nvidia or ATI, it will also be very easy.
[04:26] <psychonate> why is it so difficult to install all packages beginning with "xfonts," excluding one in just one command?
[04:26] <psychonate> :(
[04:26] <ProtoformX> It's an Nvidia G-Force 3 I believe.. It's integrated into the mobo...
[04:26] <bratsche> The nvidia drivers will work with that.
[04:26] <kraker> #lost.no
[04:26] <rabid_snail> Does hoary have support for Linksys 802.11b PCI cards?
[04:27] <manulito> any ubuntu developer have 1-2 minutes to spare, im a intressted in helping out. need some pointers
[04:27] <psychonate> I don't want to sit in synaptic clicking boxes for a half hour
[04:28] <ProtoformX> Mm..  Sound working out of the box, would be nice.  I got a Soundblaster Live sound card for this box in hopes that it would give me sound, and while all the drivers have been "installed" as near as I can tell, I still can't get sound.  Would it be probable that Ubuntu could support that card with some drivers it has pre-loaded..?
[04:28] <ian> hello can somebody help me with my problem.. http://pastebin.com/293035
[04:28] <ian> im new in linux.
[04:28] <ian> :(
[04:29] <Th4tBa5t4rd> speaking of nVidia drivers.... can I apt-get the nVidias or just the generic nv drivers?
[04:30] <psychonate> hmm,
[04:30] <psychonate> is there a reason you are typing "nVidia" instead of "Nvidia"
[04:30] <linuxpoet> Because the "V" is really important
[04:30] <kassetra> nVidia is how the company references their products?
[04:30] <psychonate> really
[04:31] <Th4tBa5t4rd> well. i just wanted to make sure the difference was made
[04:31] <psychonate> did not know that
[04:31] <dssfilesharer_> any links available ubuntu add-on cd since ubuntu isnt allowing the download anymore
[04:31] <psychonate> actually, on their website they usually write "NVIDIA"
[04:32] <psychonate> but I see a lot of "nVidia"on google
[04:32] <Th4tBa5t4rd> usually, but on their promo junk it's nVidia, that's the trademark anyways
[04:32] <manulito> are there nay ubuntu-dev channel around ?
[04:32] <psychonate> ah, I see
[04:32] <manulito> dev-ubuntu
[04:32] <psychonate> just wondering ;)
[04:32] <kassetra> nV is their driver, nVidia are typically products, etc.
[04:32] <psychonate> fair enough
[04:32] <nalioth> ian how many repositorys do you have enabled?
[04:33] <ProtoformX> Er... So, anyone happen to know about that usability of Soundblaster Live cards with Ubuntu..?
[04:33] <linuxpoet> They should work without issue
[04:33] <toran> hey, does anyone know how to get planeshift running on ubuntu?
[04:33] <kassetra> if you look at the logo on their site as well, the have nVIDIA ... heh.
[04:33] <linuxpoet> Althgouh I don't know about the external USB ones and such
[04:33] <kassetra> *they
[04:33] <ProtoformX> Mm, indeed.
[04:33] <WhiteRabbit> planeshift doesn't properly support linux imho
[04:33] <ProtoformX> Okay, thanks very much.
[04:33] <ian> nalioth: i think its not a problem with my apt-get..because i has finish install libqt3c102-mt. the problem is with my dpkg.
[04:34] <ian> nalioth: here is the error after i dpkg. http://pastebin.com/293035
[04:34] <ian> :(
[04:34] <psychonate> man, I love aterm
[04:34] <toran> psychonate: me too
[04:34] <toran> I started using it when I changed to fluxbox
[04:35] <ian> nalioth: what do you think went wrong? :(
[04:35] <nalioth> ian, so you cannot get kiax from the repositories?
[04:35] <psychonate> 'aterm -tr +sb -sh 70 -fg gray -g 100x25+300+250' for my twinview
[04:35] <psychonate> toran, I used to use Eterm
[04:35] <WhiteRabbit> aterm*font: -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso10646-1
[04:36] <psychonate> nice font, is that?
[04:36] <jasmuz> /quit
[04:36] <toran> I like the artwiz fonts
[04:36] <galactic2> razor-x you there?
[04:36] <psychonate> right now, I'm just using the default
[04:36] <ian> nalioth: yes.. i get the libqt3c102-mt from the repo..but not kiax
[04:36] <ian> nalioth: kiax can not be found..the the repo.
[04:36] <psychonate> not great, but it looks much better than the default Eterm font at least
[04:36] <psychonate> I typically hate messing with fonts
[04:37] <nalioth> ian have you tried to build kiax from source?
[04:37] <psychonate> OK
[04:37] <ian> nalioth: nope.. im really new in linux. but i need voip that support iax..which is in kiax. how do i do that?
[04:37] <psychonate> I installed all the xfonts* packages, and some things in the 'rename' man page still aren't being displayed correctly
[04:38] <psychonate> Do I need to restart X first?
[04:38] <dssfilesharer_> does anyone know of a ftp that has ubunto add-on cd
[04:38] <psychonate> Does the website not have it?
[04:38] <ian> nalioth: do i need to do that? :(
[04:39] <dssfilesharer_> went to ubunto and they dont have it anymore
[04:39] <nalioth> ian try this: "sudo apt-get build-dep kiax" and then "sudo apt-get source -b kiax"
[04:39] <cesar_> hey , good night to all , good luck !.
[04:40] <nern> im back~!
[04:40] <psychonate> I'm getting frustrated here
[04:40] <psychonate> I still can't read the example in my man page
[04:40] <psychonate> er, huh,
[04:41] <ian> naliot: Unable to find a source package for kiax
[04:41] <ian>  :( how about dpkg the kiax deb file with a force option? it there any option for that?
[04:41] <psychonate> must be something with aterm and Eterm since it looks alright in a console
[04:41] <arcticblue> how can i get transcode to install?
[04:41] <linuxpoet> psychonate: why not just run gnome-terminal
[04:41] <nalioth> ian: the deb you are trying to install was build for generic debian
[04:42] <ian> nalioth: ic so its not possible to installed it in ubuntu?
[04:42] <nalioth> ian: it will not install here, because the devs change the name of everhting to _ubjntu_
[04:42] <nalioth> ian: yes it is possible
[04:43] <nalioth> anything is possible
[04:43] <psychonate> now wtf
[04:43] <psychonate> it only works fine on TTY1
[04:43] <qweeq> hi
[04:43] <psychonate> What is that lol?
[04:43] <psychonate> well, actually, even on tty1 it doesn't display ' correctly
[04:44] <qweeq> i was to load gnome panels in ubuntu live cd but it hangs afterwards i passed the option live noapc nolapic acpi=off vga=771
[04:44] <qweeq> can someone help
[04:44] <qweeq> its live cd amd 64
[04:44] <psychonate> It's a sad state of affairs when a man can't even look at his man page
[04:44] <nern> Hey its qweeq again
[04:44] <arcticblue> i am trying to install dvdrip in hoary, but it says that it needs transcode then it complains that transcode cannot be installed.  how do i get transcode on here?
[04:45] <J35U5> anyone know how to open a .wps file in OO.o?
[04:45] <nalioth> arcticblue: i had to compile it by hand
[04:45] <arcticblue> nalioth:  awesome
[04:45] <qweeq> hi nern i was able to get gnome panels up but it crashes i used the options boot: live noapic nolapic acpi=off vga=771 pls help
[04:47] <nalioth> arcticblue: what hdwre are u running?
[04:48] <arcticblue> nalioth: it's just a laptop.  TMO lost my computer...
[04:48] <qweeq> nern still here
[04:48] <nern> qweeq: have you thought about just installing it on the hard drive instead of using a livecd?
[04:49] <qweeq> well i dunno if my stuff will work or not
[04:49] <nern> qweeq: i donno what to say man i have no clue
[04:51] <nern> Hey there bob2
[04:51] <bob2> hi
[04:51] <makavely> hello
[04:53] <makavely> can somebody help me with a problem i have with ubuntu ?
[04:53] <bob2> best to just ask
[04:53] <manulito> Anyone in here know what chan the ubuntu-developers hang?
[04:54] <bob2> #ubuntu-devel, but it's for actual development discussion
[04:54] <nalioth> arcticblue: well if its x86, then you might be able to find a repo, but i recommend apt-building from source
[04:54] <bob2> not for asking for help
[04:54] <arcticblue> nalioth: ah, yes, it's x86.  is the source package available on apt?
[04:54] <makavely> iam haveing this problem when i tried to install anything
[04:54] <Tyche> Hello
[04:55] <bob2> makavely: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[04:55] <Tyche> I am installing something and it is asking for the " directory of C header files that match your running kernel?" Where would that be?
[04:55] <makavely> i think the problem is in my repositories
[04:55] <inc> anybody know how to minimize rdesktop when you are connected to a windows box?
[04:56] <nalioth> arcticblue: it should be
[04:56] <[Spooky] > Anyone that can portscan me ?
[04:56] <Tyche> [Spooky]  I can try, nmap?
[04:56] <bob2> Tyche: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[04:56] <[Spooky] > Tyche: sure...
[04:57] <[Spooky] > Tyche: you have my ip ?
[04:58] <makavely> i try to install j2se runtime environment
[04:58] <Tyche> [Spooky]  No
[04:58] <makavely> and i get this message it is in spanish
[04:58] <bob2> makavely: you don't seem to have done what I asked yet
[04:58] <makavely>  sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[04:58] <makavely> Password:
[04:58] <makavely> Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
[04:58] <makavely> Creando rbol de dependencias... Hecho
[04:58] <makavely> W: No se puede leer la lista de paquetes fuente http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_backports_dists_hoary-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No existe el fichero o el directorio)
[04:58] <makavely> W: No se puede leer la lista de paquetes fuente http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-backports/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_backports_dists_hoary-backports_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No existe el fichero o el directorio)
[04:58] <makavely> W: No se puede leer la lista de paquetes fuente http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_backports_dists_hoary-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No existe el fichero o el directorio)
[04:58] <makavely> W: No se puede leer la lista de paquetes fuente http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-backports/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_backports_dists_hoary-backports_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No existe el fichero o el directorio)
[04:58] <makavely> W: Tal vez quiera ejecutar 'apt-get update' para corregir estos problemas
[04:58] <makavely> E: No se pudo encontrar el paquete sun-j2re1.5
[04:58] <makavely> ok bob2
[04:59] <bob2> makavely: so
[04:59] <Tyche> [Spooky]  How do I get it?
[04:59] <bob2> makavely: a) don't ignore people, b) don't paste things in here, c) backports are screwing you over
[04:59] <makavely> didnt read what you told me
[04:59] <makavely> sorry
[04:59] <Quest-Master> God-- K3b rocks so much.
[04:59] <[Spooky] > Tyche: i have sent it in a /notice to you
[04:59] <nern> how hot are prescotts really?
[04:59] <nern> IM using k3b myself as we speak
[04:59] <nern> ;)
[04:59] <Tyche> [Spooky]  Sorry, I'm new to this Xchat...where do I look for that?
[04:59] <makavely> bob2 : i go to #flood and put my source.list there ?
[05:00] <[Spooky] > Tyche: w8
[05:00] <Tyche> [Spooky]  NM, see it
[05:00] <bob2> makavely: yes
[05:00] <[Spooky] > hehe ok
[05:00] <[Spooky] > bob2: hey man! :)
[05:00] <bob2> hi
[05:01] <makavely> bob2 : i paste my source.list in the flood channel ?
[05:02] <bob2> makavely: yes...
[05:02] <nalioth> bob2: i'm glad you're here, all the ops was gone a while, and the trolls came out of the woodwork
[05:03] <nern> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116178
[05:03] <nern> what about that cpu
[05:04] <makavely> there bob2 i put my source.list in flood
[05:04] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hmmm just installed kde and for some reason konqueror keeps crashing when i try to delete a file
[05:04] <nalioth> Pop_pa_FrEaK: welcome to the club...konqueror doesnt like running in gnome for some reason
[05:04] <Tyche> I am installing something and it is asking for the " directory of C header files that match your running kernel?" Where would that be?
[05:04] <spiderworm> hi all is it possible to set it up so that anything done via sudo needs a root password that is unique from the user password?
[05:07] <bob2> Tyche: I already answered you
[05:07] <bob2> Tyche: once you've installed that, look in /usr/src/
[05:07] <bob2> makavely: your sources.list is broken
[05:07] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> nalioth, so best to download kubuntu then ?
[05:07] <makavely> bob2 : how do i fix it ?
[05:07] <dbernar1_> hi, bob2, and others...
[05:07] <bob2> makavely: comment out all ther nerim.net ones, and the backports ones
[05:08] <dbernar1_> :) the notorious ubuntuguide.org syndrome...
[05:08] <dbernar1_> hey, Ill gtell that guy that it is braking a lot of systems, to reconsider, and put warnings about that.
[05:08] <ElBarono> why the fuck does gnome keep launching metacity even though I have sawfish configured as the x-window-manager?
[05:08] <dbernar1_> breaking
[05:08] <dbernar1_> yeah, why the fuck, elbarono?
[05:08] <ElBarono> piece of shite
[05:09] <dbernar1_> thats al I see, Im sorry, I cant answer that...
[05:09] <makavely> bob2 : i erase the marillat and backports links ?
[05:10] <conformistINred> sure, or put a # ion front
[05:10] <nalioth> Pop_pa_FrEaK: i never have a prob with konqueror when i'm in kubuntu
[05:10] <nalioth> Pop_pa_FrEaK: ymmv
[05:10] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ok will have to download kubuntu then
[05:10] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> can't live without amaok and it looks like crap in gnome
[05:11] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> amarok
[05:11] <CJ7> Anyone got a good guide/url on how to set up printing to a samba shared network printer from ubuntu?
[05:11] <lunarknight> Hello, I get an error when initializing sound for SDL.    open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory
[05:14] <conformistINred> CJ7: hey, there is a samba setting up how to on the wiki at ubuntulinux.org/wiki I just found out... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba .
[05:14] <makavely> bob2 : can you explain me how to fix the source.list ? i didnt understand the last thing you told me
[05:14] <conformistINred> ) makavely: bob2 : i erase the marillat and backports links ?conformistINred: sure, or put a # ion front
[05:14] <zachary> anyone know of an easy photo editor
[05:14] <xterra77> anyone know why the ubuntu guide is using backports? Should I use the reugular repo setup by default?
[05:14] <zachary> besides gimp
[05:14] <conformistINred> that means, you put a # sign in the front of the line they contain, or erase them.
[05:15] <CJ7> conformistINred, I've already looked at that - doesn't say a lot about how to set up the printer etc...
[05:15] <conformistINred> zachary: gthumb is what I use for creating web album, be more specific if you want more  info...also, your synaptic has a search function
[05:15] <predius> xterra77, some packages are not included in the ubuntu repos.
[05:16] <makavely> ) conformistINerd : you have the same problem that i have ?
[05:16] <predius> be careful, the backports.ubuntuforums is not working, if you're goint yo use it, try one of the mirrors.
[05:16] <conformistINred> CJ7: really? ok, cool, there seem to be links, did you follow those?
[05:16] <conformistINred> no, I have solved dozens like that tho:)
[05:16] <CJ7> conformistINred, looking again now - it may be what i need...not sure...
[05:16] <CJ7> I'm more after how to set up the cups side of it than the samba side though...
[05:17] <conformistINred> the only reason this is my nick, tho, is that there was a REBELinBLUE at one point earlier...
[05:17] <makavely> oh
[05:18] <conformistINred> makavely, for reasons like this, I suggest using http://pastebin.com instead of #flood, cause I was not there, and now you have to paste again...if you use pastebin, you can post tio pastebin, then keep the URL you get, and pass it out as many times as needed.
[05:18] <conformistINred> Also, keep it in the channel, cause, were you not speaking with bob2 in the channel I would not have heard your converstation, please continue to solve you rproblem in public.
[05:18] <xterra77> predius, I see--what major or popular packages will I not get with the "official" repo with universe and multiuniverse turned on?
[05:19] <zachary> thanks conformist
[05:19] <xterra77> predius, and not using mer and backports
[05:19] <conformistINred> xterra77: they are using it cause the guy who wrote it knows what he is doing, and other ppl that read it screw up their sources.list more often than not.. dont use unless you hear there is a package that you need, and cant get in ubuntu repos...
[05:20] <predius> you won't get multimedia, mainly.
[05:20] <predius> or most binary-only packages
[05:20] <conformistINred> mainly everything will work:-p
[05:20] <predius> since restricted is only binary video drivers, i think
[05:20] <conformistINred> predius: you know this for a fact? cause I didnt think so, but I donty have a fact...
[05:21] <predius> well, I'm not a MoTU or maintain backports, still, it's supposed to be like this.
[05:21] <conformistINred> predius: to learn some more: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view .
[05:21] <conformistINred> that was not correct, for those who read it:)
[05:22] <conformistINred> that paeg tells the true story about that(exclueding the backports) backports are a separate story, visit the forums for more info...
[05:22] <predius> i know what backports are.
[05:22] <conformistINred> you showed you dont, already:)
[05:22] <predius> the backports.ubuntuforums doesn't *just* give backports
[05:23] <predius> since you can get the sun-jdk
[05:23] <xterra77> conformistINred, ok got it. thanks
[05:23] <predius> and other packages
[05:23] <conformistINred> xterra77: kk, welcome.
[05:23] <makavely> here it is the page
[05:23] <makavely> http://pastebin.com/293067
[05:24] <conformistINred> oh, you mean, that in the sense of backports, the ubuntu forums are not just backports...yeah, I agree:)
[05:24] <predius> then?
[05:24] <predius> that was y whole point
[05:24] <predius> *my
[05:24] <conformistINred> well, read that page to learn more about ubuntu reposirotires:-p
[05:24] <predius> backports.ubuntuforums not only has backports, but
[05:25] <conformistINred> makavely, thanks, please give us a few moments to read....this I say this time, next time you know ppl need time to read.
[05:25] <predius> never mind
[05:25] <conformistINred> one of the things I complained about is that you dont seem to know what multiverse is,...iit is a collection of binaries that are not open source.
[05:25] <makavely> ok , thanks for the help
[05:25] <conformistINred> kk, welcome.
[05:25] <conformistINred> wehre you from?
[05:26] <conformistINred> makavely:
[05:26] <makavely> Argentina
[05:26] <conformistINred> ok, give me a sec.
[05:26] <predius> #
[05:26] <predius> #
[05:26] <predius> ##Backports
[05:26] <predius> #
[05:26] <predius> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/ hoary-backports main universe
[05:26] <predius> #
[05:26] <predius>  this wont work
[05:26] <predius> they closed the server
[05:26] <predius> the rep, at least.
[05:26] <nalioth> predius: backports are trouble, anyway
[05:27] <conformistINred> yeah, you are right, predius, taht is true.
[05:27] <conformistINred> hey nalioth...
[05:27] <predius> geez, it's all against Predius today.
[05:28] <predius> I started by answering makavely's question on why is ubuntuguide using the backports rep, and now people are telling me that backports are trouble?
[05:28] <rj`> ://
[05:28] <xterra77> I agree I will have to reinstall my ubuntu because of stupid backports...then again I dont know what I'm doing yet
[05:28] <conformistINred> predius: who is against you?
[05:28] <rj`> i use breezy -- shrug.
[05:29] <conformistINred> xterra77: what is wrong, tho?
[05:29] <xterra77> is brezzy pretty stable?
[05:29] <conformistINred> no, not at all, /topic for more detail
[05:29] <nos> Anyone able to help me out with an ALSA issue?
[05:29] <rj`> not really
[05:29] <rj`> :/
[05:29] <xterra77> conformistINred, for some reason I have to force quit using bluefish sometimes...never before using backports though :)
[05:30] <bob2> conformistINred: the conversation was entirely in here
[05:30] <bob2> conformistINred: he/she pasted the file to #flood, which is entirely approriate, and what I asked for
[05:30] <bob2> predius: they're not very well done and can cause problems
[05:30] <bob2> it's best to avoid them if at all possible
[05:30] <bob2> the marillat ones are worse, they make things like mplayer uninstalable
[05:31] <predius> guys, where am I recommending backports?
[05:31] <predius> could people scroll up a little?
[05:31] <bob2> erm?
[05:31] <conformistINred> bob2: he was /msg ing me taht is what I was referring to...
[05:31] <predius> xterra77 anyone know why the ubuntu guide is using backports? Should I use the reugular repo setup by default?
[05:31] <xterra77> conformistINred, I know it sounds unrelated...but its true and firefox 1.04 gets "bogged down" uses 105% resources on some sites..not usre how this is possible, but Official unbuntu is flawless
[05:31] <bob2> predius: when did anyone suggest you were recommending them
[05:32] <flankk> question: when evolution checks for mail on a pop server, does it delete messages from the server and store them to hd? because i just reformatted, and checked my mail via. the web-based interface, and -all- of my messages have been deleted.
[05:32] <xterra77> predius, ?
[05:32] <conformistINred> bob2: the recommending of pastebin was to do with #flood
[05:32] <conformistINred> just cause he had to do it again for me.
[05:32] <predius> not at you, I was posting something you had said, xterra77
[05:32] <nos> My sound was working fine yesterday, and today it's not, alsamixer has the wrong soundcard selected, anyone able to help me change it?
[05:33] <xterra77> predius, sorry long day at work and school
[05:33] <bob2> pastebin's are ever more annoying than #flood
[05:33] <bob2> nos: what has changed since it last worked?
[05:33] <conformistINred> makavely: hey, I got you a sources.list you can take home... http://pastebin.com/293070 ...dont remove the # from the end of the file unless when you know what you are looking for, and as soon as you are done getting it, put the # back in front of the lines... referring to the last two entries in that sources.list
[05:33] <conformistINred> bob2: why would you say that? about pastebins?
[05:33] <nos> bob2, nothing, all I did today was open the case, blew out dust with air and tured the computer on
[05:34] <flankk> xterra77, maybe flawless for you, after using it for a week, my cursor and page started jumping around rapidly on its own..
[05:34] <bob2> conformistINred: opening a browser tab is more annoying than switching irc windows
[05:34] <predius> perhaps it got disconnected?
[05:34] <conformistINred> flankk: most programs by default do, you have to specify not tto.
[05:34] <makavely> thanks
[05:34] <nos> bob2, no hardware changes were made and everything is seated correctly
[05:34] <flankk> conformistINred, i am fine with that, i am just verifying that someone doesn't know my password :)
[05:34] <nalioth> flankk: it only deletes mail on server, if you have it set to do so
[05:34] <ZGamer> Excuse me, but how do I access a floppy drive? New to linux....
[05:35] <conformistINred> bob2: Im not talking about annoyance, I am talking about him having a sopy of it to keep, not to have to paste ten times for 10 diff people, that is all, dunno whats more annoying to you:) know who this is?
[05:35] <john123123123> hello can i ask a question i am a new user to linux
[05:35] <predius> no. ;)
[05:35] <xterra77> flankk, well my problem is...I can "never leave well alone" and always screw my installation up doing something...at least Ubuntu is easy to reinstall ;)
[05:35] <john123123123> funny
[05:35] <transgress> john123123123: /topic
[05:35] <conformistINred> flankk: yes, likely that is what happened, if you had not specified, yes keep a copy on the server, it was deleted when fetched
[05:35] <bob2> conformistINred: the 5 most useful people in this channel are already in #flood
[05:35] <conformistINred> wekll, I wasnt:-p
[05:36] <conformistINred> makavely: now, change your sources.list to that, sudo aptitude update, and install whatever you were trying to.
[05:36] <nalioth> bob2, now i'm just crushed  <sniff>
[05:36] <bob2> hrm, that came out all wrong
[05:36] <john123123123> can i have a live cd only point to my memory stick 128mb
[05:36] <bob2> I take that back, I'm sorry
[05:36] <transgress> aptitude update?  isn't that a bit overkill... wouldn't sudo apt-get update work?
[05:36] <makavely> on last question i erase the # when i put it in the source.list ?
[05:37] <predius> weird, why is firefox-1.0.2 in the security rep?
[05:37] <conformistINred> makavely, dont touch anything, till you learn what you are doing, it wil be fine now.
[05:37] <bob2> predius: because firefox has had numerous security issues since hoary came out
[05:37] <conformistINred> ZGamer: is the floppy disk in the drive?
[05:37] <bob2> predius: which are fixed in 1.0.2 in the security repository
[05:37] <ZGamer> conformist, yep.
[05:37] <conformistINred> bob2: what do you take bac?
[05:37] <bigmac99> anybody here using a tv tuner card with ubuntu?  I need help please.
[05:37] <conformistINred> YOu mean, the 5 most knowledgeable, not most useful;)
[05:38] <john123123123> can i have a live cd only point to my memory stick 128mb??
[05:38] <nalioth> conformistINred: bob2 insulted most of us in one simple sentence <sniff>
[05:38] <flankk> conformistINred, thank you
[05:38] <conformistINred> im fine with that:) you are just teasing him too... I kno...
[05:38] <nalioth> bob2 i'm just messin with ya
[05:39] <bigmac99> for some reason Ubuntu is not recognizing my line-in on my Soundblaster Audigy 2 card
[05:39] <conformistINred> Im that conformistINred, dont thank me, thank the REBELinBLUE
[05:39] <rebelINgreen> what about me?
[05:40] <arcticblue> lol
[05:40] <nonconformistNOT> ='(
[05:40] <ZGamer> conformistINred: floppy is in drive.
[05:40] <conformistINred> hehe, but...myine was the original idea, + I played it better...like, the guy was REBELinBLUE, so I made myself conformistINred....see the point?
[05:41] <conformistINred> zgamer, yeah, sorry...go places computer
[05:41] <conformistrebel> ?
[05:41] <conformistINred> double click the floppy entry
[05:41] <conformistINred> haha,
[05:41] <conformistINred> nice, arcticblue...
[05:41] <arcticblue> heh
[05:41] <ZGamer> okay, in computer.
[05:42] <Danko3> ok, is there a floppy there?
[05:42] <ZGamer> nope.
[05:42] <Danko3> bigmac99: did you disable the onboard ione in bios?
[05:42] <arcticblue> now i have to listen to some rage against the machine...thanks guys
[05:42] <bigmac99> yes Danko3
[05:43] <nalioth> arcticblue: you're gonna boot up a windoze box?
[05:43] <Danko3> bigmac99: did you read this page: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26567&highlight=sound+cards I gotta go...
[05:43] <makavely> conformistinred like this my source list should look like ? http://pastebin.com/293074
[05:43] <arcticblue> nalioth: lol
[05:44] <bigmac99> thanks Danko3, I'll check it out
[05:44] <Danko3> makavely, no just like what I posted.
[05:44] <nos> bob2, Thanks for the reply, I got it figured out
[05:44] <Danko3> And, makavely, try #ubuntu-es if you have not...
[05:44] <Danko3> once you make it exactly as I posted....
[05:44] <Danko3> save, close the sources.list file... and in a terminal, type in sudo aptitude update and hit enter....and continue using your ubuntu like you did before this happened.
[05:45] <Danko3> ok, im out.
[05:45] <Danko3> sorr zgamer, someone will help you,
[05:45] <tiglionabbit> yo
[05:45] <Danko3> hey, tiglion] 
[05:46] <tiglionabbit> Excuse me, but What is the standard resolution for ubuntu's incredible stupidity at internet connections for laptops?  I'm talking about keeping it from configuring forever at bootup
[05:46] <bob2> tiglionabbit: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[05:46] <bob2> tiglionabbit: and you've had this explained to you already
[05:48] <tiglionabbit> *sighs
[05:49] <bob2> and why are you sighing?
[05:50] <tiglionabbit> last time they said something about using netconf.  But other people are recommending ifplugd..  and gnome's network-admin program keeps mangling my network/interfaces file.  I have no auto lines in it, yet it continues to attempt to configure network settings
[05:50] <tiglionabbit> it's all so confusing.  What should I do?
[05:50] <bob2> no
[05:50] <bob2> I told you how to fix it
[05:50] <bob2> get rid of the auto line from /etc/network/interfaces
[05:50] <tiglionabbit> I did
[05:51] <tiglionabbit> I've tried restarting it while there is no auto lines in that at all, and it still does "configuring network settings"
[05:51] <nalioth> bob2 if you do that "auto" removal, do you have to manually log into wireless networks?
[05:51] <tiglionabbit> network-admin adds the auto lines whenever you run it, too
[05:51] <bob2> so
[05:51] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: if i recall, there is an entry at ubuntuguide on this issue
[05:51] <tiglionabbit> and does a bad job of it, with lots of extra whitespace
[05:51] <bob2> don't run network-ad,min
[05:51] <tiglionabbit> how else can I connect to wireless, bob?
[05:52] <bigmac99> anybody here running MYTHTV?
[05:52] <tiglionabbit> when I have no lan plugged in, it always enables my lan and disables my wireless
[05:52] <bob2> tiglionabbit: sudo ifup eth0
[05:52] <tiglionabbit> that's pretty dumb, isn't it?
[05:52] <bob2> nalioth: yes
[05:52] <Predius> iwconfig, tiggggr
[05:52] <Predius> iwconfig, tiglionabbit
[05:52] <bob2> tiglionabbit: please just stop whinging
[05:52] <tiglionabbit> I'm sorry
[05:52] <bob2> tiglionabbit: I told you it was a bug, and that it would be fixed in breezy
[05:52] <tiglionabbit> I know this is all fixed in breezy
[05:52] <bob2> I told you how to work around it, too
[05:52] <nalioth> thx, bob2
[05:52] <bob2> but still, you come back and abuse people, days later
[05:53] <arcticblue> where can i get the libdivxencore and libdivxdecore libraries at?
[05:53] <tiglionabbit> no you haven't bob2, I still can't get it to work
[05:53] <tiglionabbit> I'll check ubuntuguide
[05:53] <bob2> tiglionabbit: can't get WHAT to work?
[05:53] <tiglionabbit> er, I'm sorry, I don't want to sound like an ass.
[05:53] <bob2> if you remove the auto line, you won't have delays on boot
[05:53] <tiglionabbit> bob2: that is incorrect
[05:53] <bob2> if you want to bring it up, "sudo ifup eth0", as I said
[05:53] <bob2> tiglionabbit: paste your /etc/network/interfaces to #flood
[05:54] <tiglionabbit> there
[05:55] <tiglionabbit> I trimmed the whitespace out of it after network-admin mangled it
[05:55] <tiglionabbit> oh, how do I view the log of messages it prints on startup?
[05:55] <bigmac99> anybody here using a TV TUNER card? or MYTHTV?
[05:55] <bob2> comment out the mapping lines
[05:55] <bob2> bigmac99: dude, if they did they would have answered
[05:55] <bob2> bigmac99: try asking on the ubuntu-users list, http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[05:55] <awb4422> bigmac99: i am
[05:56] <bigmac99> are you running MythTV?
[05:56] <awb4422> yes
[05:56] <bigmac99> how long have you been running it?  I can't apt-get it
[05:56] <tiglionabbit> bob2: You mean the set of 3 lines, or just the first?
[05:57] <awb4422> since hoary came out. have you enabled the multiverse and universe repositories?
[05:57] <bigmac99> yes
[05:57] <Revolucion> i need help with unbuntu!
[05:57] <bob2> tiglionabbit: all 3
[05:57] <nalioth> Revolucion: help with what? speak up
[05:57] <rebelINgreen> Revolucion: try joining #unbuntu then
[05:57] <tiglionabbit> is backports.ubuntuforums.org down?
[05:57] <Predius> they closed it.
[05:57] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: backports are trouble
[05:57] <tiglionabbit> really?
[05:57] <tiglionabbit> o
[05:57] <bigmac99> I get an error message about dependency problems
[05:57] <bob2> tiglionabbit: read the website
[05:57] <Predius> check the mirrors, they should work.
[05:58] <bob2> also, ask on the forums, that;s the only place they seem to hang out
[05:58] <Revolucion> i need to install flash player, and have no idea how to. i've already downloaded it, and i dont know how to unpack it
[05:58] <bob2> Revolucion: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:58] <nalioth> Revolucion: have you read ubuntuguide.org?
[05:58] <Revolucion> no.
[05:58] <nalioth> Revolucion: read both places
[05:58] <awb4422> bigmac99: what is the error?
[05:59] <bigmac99> it starts with libc6 should be this version but ubuntu version is installed
[05:59] <Revolucion> no see i already got it
[05:59] <Revolucion> and i just dont know how to unpack it
[05:59] <nalioth> Revolucion: one (or both) of those links will tell you how to install it
[05:59] <bigmac99> then libqt3c102-mt same thing
[06:00] <awb4422> bigmac99: did it give instructions about apt-get -f install
[06:00] <bob2> awb4422: that won't help
[06:00] <bob2> the package bigmac99 has is not for Ubuntu
[06:00] <awb4422> bigmac99: and are you pulling from multiverse/universe or the ~mdz packages?
[06:00] <bob2> and is not installable on ubuntu
[06:00] <Revolucion> let me clear it up. i dont know how to use liunx, i need step by step help.
[06:00] <arcticblue> where can i get the libdivxencore and libdivxdecore libraries at?  i can't find them in any of the repos.
[06:00] <bob2> Revolucion: did you read either of those websites?
[06:00] <awb4422> bob2: oh ok.. i had a libc6 error earlier tonight, and it told me to do a apt-get -f install
[06:00] <Revolucion> the first one
[06:01] <bigmac99> awb - it doesn't say anything about apt-get -f install on the error message
[06:01] <bob2> awb4422: that won't fix it
[06:01] <bigmac99> I think I have the multiverse/universe and ~mdz in my sources.list now, but I didn't have the mdz line in there at first
[06:01] <awb4422> bigmac99: well you can check out this site: http://www.cs.rit.edu/~css8044/?q=mythtv
[06:01] <nalioth> arcticblue: you got multiverse, universe?
[06:01] <s234>  ./linuxq3ademo-1.11-6.x86.gz.sh
[06:01] <s234> Warning: Tried to connect to session manager, Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[06:01] <awb4422> i typically just sudo apt-get install mythtv
[06:01] <arcticblue> nalioth: yes
[06:02] <ron_42> I am using Ubuntu and wondered what programs I could use to write a jpg slide show with music that outputs cross platform
[06:02] <bigmac99> bob2 - do you mean mythtv is not for ubuntu ?  what do you mean?
[06:02] <nalioth> arcticblue: welcome to the world of source building
[06:02] <bob2> bigmac99: I mean the packages you have are not for ubuntu
[06:02] <bob2> s234: don't run it as root
[06:02] <s234> whats gdm done wrong?
[06:02] <tiglionabbit> kk brb, hope it works this time
[06:02] <s234> ok
[06:02] <bigmac99> I don't have any packages, I am doing apt-get
[06:02] <arcticblue> nalioth: yeah, i'm quite familiary with it...i just can't find those libraries anywhere.  projectmayo is dead.
[06:02] <bob2> ron_42: openoffic, probably
[06:03] <bob2> bigmac99: yes, all apt-get does is download and install packages
[06:03] <nalioth> arcticblue: how bout the source of those libs?
[06:03] <bigmac99> bob2 - how can I fix it?  why did apt-get not install the right packages
[06:03] <arcticblue> nalioth: hold on, let me check
[06:03] <xyzx> Hey Foks what is the best way to provide a remote access to my ubuntu/webserver to upload html etc. files?
[06:03] <nalioth> arcticblue: iow, are they "apt-get source -b <pkgname>"-able?
[06:04] <crimsun> xyzx: scp
[06:04] <bigmac99> awb - I try that and it doesn't work
[06:04] <nalioth> xyzx: sshd of course!
[06:04] <arcticblue> nalioth: i tried apt-get source divx*      nada
[06:04] <rixth> How can I get the (hdX,X) numbers?
[06:04] <nalioth> arcticblue: how bout *divx*
[06:04] <bob2> bigmac99: because the packages you told it about are not for ubuntu
[06:05] <arcticblue> nalioth: nothing
[06:05] <bob2> ron_42: hd0,0 = hda1, hd1,3 = hdb3
[06:05] <bigmac99> so mythtv is not for ubuntu?
[06:05] <bob2> bigmac99: lord
[06:05] <bob2> bigmac99: mythtv works fine on ubuntu
[06:05] <nalioth> arcticblue: hang on a minim
[06:05] <bob2> bigmac99: the particular random packages of it you found are not for ubuntu
[06:05] <bob2> find better ones
[06:05] <bob2> or install from source
[06:06] <bigmac99> how do I make apt-get instll different ones?
[06:06] <ron_42> I have tried Openoffice presentation but the dialog to add sound is grayed out
[06:06] <bob2> bigmac99: you find where they are and tell apt abou tthem in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:07] <frank_mc> anyone know why I cant get totem to play anything?
[06:07] <tiglionabbit> beautiful!  Thanks bob2!  sorry for whining
[06:07] <[Spooky] > how do i install the nvu package ? ive tried as they said in the ubuntuguide.org but it dosent work...
[06:07] <bob2> frank_mc: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:07] <tiglionabbit> frank_mc: maybe you need codecs
[06:07] <tiglionabbit> what he said
[06:07] <bigmac99> ok....thanks for your help BOB2 and AWB4422
[06:07] <frank_mc> cant get codecs to install
[06:08] <tiglionabbit> frank_mc: can you find the package "w32codecs" ?
[06:08] <nalioth> [Spooky] : using apt-get doenst work?
[06:08] <[Spooky] > nalioth: nope it cant find the "nvu package"
[06:09] <frank_mc> I'll try now like so apt-get w32codecs
[06:10] <tiglionabbit> frank_mc: apt-get install
[06:10] <frank_mc> I get E: Invalid operation w32codecs
[06:10] <frank_mc> k
[06:10] <nalioth> [Spooky] : hmmm, not up on ubuntuguides misdirections
[06:11] <tiglionabbit> where does it store the messages it prints when my computer is starting up?
[06:11] <frank_mc> got E: Couldn't find package w32codecs
[06:11] <rixth> Ya'll know the numbers like (hd0,0) eh? What would it be for a SATA drive?
[06:11] <rixth> w32codecs been gone for ages.
[06:11] <tiglionabbit> frank_mc: you might need to add some of the backports mirrors: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php
[06:11] <tiglionabbit> add some mirrors there to your sources.list
[06:12] <frank_mc> How do I ad a backport
[06:12] <nalioth> frank_mc: don't add backports, just google ubuntulinux.org for "restricted formats"
[06:12] <[Spooky] > nalioth: well wery strange...
[06:12] <rixth> Ya'll know the numbers like (hd0,0) eh? What would it be for a SATA drive? I need to set up Grub.
[06:12] <geetergod> How do i install Doom 3 from the CD?
[06:13] <rixth> This is #ubuntu... Or is Doom III available for Linux?
[06:13] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: the restricted formats faq tells you to add the backports repository, which is down.  I directed him to the page of alternative backports repositories
[06:13] <geetergod> yah you can play Doom3 on linux
[06:13] <tiglionabbit> er, not down but refusing connection
[06:14] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: he can get the w32codecs from universe or multiverse
[06:14] <ron_42> bob42 I have tried Open Office Presentation but the sound is grayed out
[06:14] <tiglionabbit> k
[06:14] <tiglionabbit> instruct him then, nalioth
[06:14] <geetergod> anyone know how i can install Doom3 from the CD?
[06:14] <tiglionabbit> anyway, my question, where's the startup log?
[06:14] <rebelINgreen> what's an easy way to reconfigure sound?  is there like a dpkg-reconfigure something?
[06:14] <rixth> When I try and install grub I get "grub-install /dev/sda *break* /dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive."
[06:15] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: frank_mc the info is in the restrictd formats wiki, discoverable at ubuntulinux.org via google
[06:15] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: dmesg
[06:16] <ron_42> bob2 I have tried OpenO presentation but the sound is grayed out
[06:17] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: no, that's not the log I'm looking for.  I want the actuall messages printed to console as it boots.  I can't read them fast enough
[06:17] <geetergod> can someone help me install Doom3 from the CD?
[06:17] <Razor-X> geetergod: what's the problem
[06:18] <geetergod> I just never installed from a CD yet
[06:18] <Razor-X> is it possible to create a UT live CD?
[06:18] <Razor-X> or, at least, keep a Windows copy of UT on CD?
[06:19] <arcticblue> a UT live CD...hmm
[06:19] <tiglionabbit> is there a log file where it stores the messages printed as ubuntu boots up?
[06:19] <rixth> When I try and install grub I get "grub-install /dev/sda1 *break* /dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive."<<<<>>>> But, /dev/sda1 is listed under fdisk -l
[06:19] <arcticblue> i don't think it would be that hard to have a stripped down custom knoppix that auto-launches UT
[06:19] <geetergod> I put in the Doom CD and i dont even know where to go from there
[06:19] <humbraro> tiglionabbit: try dmsg | less
[06:19] <Razor-X> I know there's a UT Demo live CD (gentoo)
[06:20] <EircB> doom3?
[06:20] <frank_mc> so where are the codecs to be found
[06:20] <Razor-X> arcticblue: what specs do you think it would need?
[06:20] <rixth> frank_mc, http://mplayer.hu
[06:20] <tiglionabbit> humbraro: no, I said that's not the log I'm looking for
[06:20] <humbraro> oops
[06:20] <frank_mc> ok mplayer sounds good
[06:20] <tiglionabbit> those messages are not the ones printed to console
[06:20] <humbraro> :)
[06:20] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: ctrl-alt-f1 doesnt do it?
[06:20] <rixth> Download the essential pack and extract it in ~/.gnome2/totem-addons (I think)
[06:20] <humbraro> just tuned in
[06:21] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: nope.
[06:21] <Razor-X> why does everyone just have to have codecs?
[06:21] <Razor-X> ;)
[06:21] <Razor-X> use VLC, it's codec free!
[06:21] <arcticblue> Razor-X: as far as system specs or drivers and such?
[06:21] <frank_mc> tried that still only plays avi's
[06:21] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: It appears to re-init that console part way through, so I can only scroll up a little bit
[06:21] <Razor-X> arcticblue: system specs
[06:21] <frank_mc> vlc?
[06:21] <arcticblue> Razor-X: and this is regular UT?
[06:21] <Razor-X> I may strip it down to just what I need, though
[06:21] <Razor-X> arcticblue: the original, with some mods
[06:22] <Razor-X> frank_mc: yes
[06:22] <arcticblue> Razor-X: i'd say at least 300Mhz, 64MB ram, and a cheap 3d accelerator will handle it.
[06:22] <transgress> anyone?  way to reconfigure sound in ubuntu?
[06:22] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: somewhere out there is a code snippet to enable scrolling in your terminal, AND a command to show you all that mess (i don't know the command)
[06:22] <tiglionabbit> there are a lot of versions of vlc available.  Which is best for ubuntu?
[06:22] <frank_mc> where do I find vlc?
[06:23] <Razor-X> and, by the w ay, does anyone have this chatroom logged in the last 6 hours?
[06:23] <geetergod> can someone walk me through it?
[06:23] <arcticblue> Razor-X: if you got some mods though...it might take up more than a CD so you may need a DVD
[06:23] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: sudo apt-get install vlc
[06:23] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: I can scroll up with shift+page-up, but that doesn't help, as vterm 1 clears and starts over part way through the boot
[06:23] <arcticblue> Razor-X: i have a pretty good chuck of logs
[06:23] <nalioth> frank_mc: on the other end of an apt-get command
[06:23] <Razor-X> arcticblue: don't have a DVD writer ;)
[06:23] <Razor-X> arcticblue: ooh, nice!
[06:23] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: somewhere is the setting for how many lines stay in buffer
[06:24] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: it's not that either.  I can scroll much farther than this.  I'm telling you, it's not a scrolling issue
[06:24] <tiglionabbit> but I'm quite sure these things are logged somewhere
[06:25] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: then i'm out of help on this issue, but there is a command to regurgitate all that out to you
[06:25] <frank_mc> and I get  E: Couldn't find package vlc
[06:25] <frank_mc> like I get with everything I try to install
[06:26] <Razor-X> frank_mc: did you get the extra repositories?
[06:26] <Razor-X> *add
[06:26] <nalioth> frank_mc: have you googled "restricted formats" at site:ubuntulinux.org?
[06:26] <tiglionabbit> frank_mc: open your file /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment all the repositories (remove #s from before lines with 'deb' at the start )
[06:26] <humbraro> tiglionabbit: obviously, dmesg prints the kernel messages; if its the init messages you're looking for, you might need to edit the rc files to log somewhere
[06:27] <frank_mc> ya added that one but It complained that it was unable to add it
[06:27] <arcticblue> Razor-X: hope that's enough for you.  i don't know if it's six hours though
[06:27] <nalioth> frank_mc: you need to use the "sudo" command b4 you can edit it
[06:27] <tiglionabbit> frank_mc: that repository is down.  Add one of the alternatives I mentioned
[06:27] <nern> hey hey hey gang
[06:27] <tiglionabbit> frank_mc: by the way, you can do all of this easily in synaptic.  Try using it
[06:27] <nern> wow
[06:27] <geetergod> still could use instruction on how to install Doom3 from the CD :)
[06:27] <nern> i love totem
[06:28] <Razor-X> arcticblue: what timezone are you in?
[06:28] <tiglionabbit> backports mirrors: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php
[06:28] <geetergod> nern, you ever try xine?
[06:28] <arcticblue> Razor-X: pacific
[06:28] <Razor-X> oh, good
[06:28] <nern> geetergod: i use totem-xine
[06:28] <Varanger> please
[06:28] <geetergod> oh kool
[06:28] <Varanger> hi
[06:28] <Varanger> I have a Intel HD Audio
[06:28] <geetergod> you know how i can install Doom3 from the CD?
[06:28] <nern> I didnt realize until just a little while ago that i can take screenshots of what im playing with totem
[06:29] <nern> its so great
[06:29] <nern> yeah i could use some help installing a game too
[06:29] <nern> UT2004
[06:29] <Varanger> how can I make it work  RIGHT !!! I am using Hoary and Kernel linux-686-smp (2.6.10-5-696-smp)
[06:29] <nern> I see the linux-installer.sh file
[06:29] <nern> but it doesnt do anything when i double click on it
[06:29] <geetergod> i just dont know where to start, never installed from a CD before.
[06:30] <tiglionabbit> wow, vlc is awesome!
[06:30] <WhiteRabbit> sh /.linux-installer.sh
[06:30] <nalioth> nern: you have to start it from a terminal
[06:30] <tiglionabbit> I think I wanna ditch mplayer
[06:30] <nern> ok
[06:30] <arcticblue> what is vlc?
[06:30] <nern> like that?
[06:30] <tiglionabbit> arcticblue: it's a video player
[06:30] <tiglionabbit> media player I mean
[06:30] <WhiteRabbit> or just sh linux-installer.sh
[06:30] <geetergod> vlc is cool
[06:30] <nern> sh ./linux-installer.sh ?
[06:30] <WhiteRabbit> or ./linux-installer.sh
[06:30] <nern> vlc is pretty 1337
[06:30] <nern> ok
[06:30] <tiglionabbit> lol, I accidentally said VCL one time instead
[06:30] <nern> do i need to do it as root or no
[06:31] <nalioth> nern: if you initiate it as root, your whole system may be affected
[06:31] <WhiteRabbit> nern: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=40
[06:32] <Varanger> how can I make my Intel HD Audio work  RIGHT !!! I am using Hoary and Kernel linux-686-smp (2.6.10-5-696-smp)
[06:32] <WhiteRabbit> nern: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=31
[06:32] <WhiteRabbit> nern: also install openal
[06:32] <nalioth> Varanger: if someone knows, they will answer up
[06:33] <WhiteRabbit> nern: I install all games as root as you can make changes to the game via your /home/you/.ut2004 folder
[06:33] <Varanger> nalioth: thanks nalioth !
[06:34] <nern> WOOT
[06:34] <nern> its working
[06:34] <nern> nice
[06:36] <geetergod> Can anyone walk me through installing a game from a CD?
[06:37] <nern> they just told me how to
[06:37] <nern> it should work the same i assume
[06:37] <geetergod> how?
[06:37] <dr_willis> geetergod,  it depends a great deal on the game.
[06:37] <geetergod> it work for u?
[06:37] <tiglionabbit> yo, if I have the mplayer browser plugin and the vlc browser plugin at the same time, what will happen?
[06:37] <Razor-X> damn, I missed that hikaru person, and the PMs he sent to me are too far up
[06:37] <geetergod> its Doom3 dr_willis
[06:37] <Razor-X> I _really_ need to start enabling auto-logging in BitchX
[06:38] <dr_willis> geetergod,  i imagine theres a readme, on the cd's or ya can google for 'linux doom3 install'
[06:39] <frank_mc> getting there, I think
[06:40] <nern> fuck
[06:40] <nern> it didnt work
[06:40] <nern> it aborted
[06:40] <nern> saying it couldnt write a file or something
[06:40] <samuel> hello all
[06:40] <samuel> ok, im a little confused on the spu freq scaling options, what should i use for a pentium-m? powernowd, cpufreqd, or cpudyn?
[06:41] <frank_mc> vlc worked, thanks all!
[06:42] <geetergod> grr i cant find anything
[06:42] <frank_mc> apt-get install w32codecs
[06:42] <frank_mc> sorry wrong window
[06:42] <Razor-X> frank_mc: toldja!
[06:42] <Razor-X> you don't need w32codecs
[06:42] <Razor-X> there's no point
[06:43] <frank_mc> ok but I just wanted to see if I could get totem working
[06:43] <nern> you dont need the w32codecs if yer gonna use vlc
[06:43] <nalioth> frank_mc: but you do if you use anything else
[06:44] <frank_mc> ok, but I'm felling good now, gota see
[06:44] <frank_mc> I got the power
[06:45] <nern> i use totem
[06:45] <nern> totem-xine
[06:45] <nern> not totem-gsteamer
[06:46] <Anubis> how does one change whats in the "open with" dialogue?
[06:47] <frank_mc> got things going when I edited the sources.list file
[06:48] <nalioth> frank_mc: welcome to the universe (and multiverse)
[06:48] <nalioth> Anubis: "use othe program" and check the box "always open with" or something in that direction
[06:48] <Anubis> please?
[06:49] <frank_mc> I've tried a lot of flavors of linux but this is the best I've found yet
[06:49] <Anubis> nainot quite
[06:49] <paringas> hi, guys, id like to get involved with coding. how do i do it? i tried reading through the wiki but it seems a bit confusing.
[06:49] <geetergod> Can someone walk me through installing Doom3 from the CD?
[06:49] <Anubis> nalioth, not quite
[06:49] <JairunCaloth> I'm having problems getting fastwrites and SBA enabled on my Nvidia drivers
[06:49] <Anubis> rt. click a file
[06:50] <Anubis> open with
[06:50] <Anubis> then ther is a list
[06:50] <Anubis> that list
[06:50] <Anubis> how to change whats in it?
[06:50] <nalioth> Anubis: down at the bottom, adding a special proggy doenst add it to the list?
[06:50] <geetergod> Can someone walk me through installing Doom3 from the CD?
[06:50] <nalioth> Anubis: i don't know how to delete from the list
[06:50] <rixth> I'm unable to install either Ubuntu OR Debian on my new SATA drive, they both give them same error (installing off ISOs, not netinst) I get "No installable kernel found in defined APT sources" Wtf? I can install both Debian & Ubuntu on my PATA drive fine.
[06:51] <Anubis> nalioth, it does, but does,nt remove em once uninstalled
[06:51] <rixth> What's causing this error and hopw di I fix it?
[06:51] <Tomcat_> rixth: You probably need to load some SATA driver first... no idea how though.
[06:51] <nalioth> Anubis: i'm out of idears, then
[06:51] <leo_mx> i have a HP multifunctional printer...i got the drives for linux...i installed them...and now they are properly installed (as the Synaptic package manager says)....but i dont know how to make it work...i readed some websites about how doing it, but it doesnt work...and im sure my printer/scanner is supported becaus ethe device manager displays it in the list...
[06:51] <crimson-> i'm using a cardbus laptop card (the ones you plug in) as an ethernet port, as my laptop doesn't have one.  how can i configure a connection so that i can plug in the cable from my DSL modem into it?
[06:52] <rixth> Tomcat, no, it detects my dirve fine, and after it errors I go look at the contents of the dirve and it's put things in there.
[06:52] <Tomcat_> leo_mx: In synaptic, check out what files the driver installed... then try man <somefile> or just start something that looks promising.
[06:52] <Tomcat_> rixth: Weird. :I
[06:52] <leo_mx> thanx tomcat...lets see what can i do
[06:53] <Tomcat_> rixth: Maybe your CD is damaged... no idea.
[06:53] <rixth> Tomcat_, Google wasn't much help. Basically no results.
[06:54] <geetergod> can someone help me install Doom3 from the CD?
[06:55] <WhiteRabbit> geetergod: you need to linux installer
[06:55] <Tomcat_> geetergod: You asked three times in 10 minutes... I guess not, sorry. ;)
[06:55] <geetergod> how do i use linux installer?
[06:55] <geetergod> my brother did it on his linux but isnt here, he doesnt really remember how either
[06:56] <WhiteRabbit> geetergod: ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/doom3/linux/doom3-linux-1.3.1302.x86.run
[06:56] <caine_> what is a good cd burning prog for ubuntu?
[06:56] <WhiteRabbit> download that then sudo sh doom3-linux-1.3.1302.x86.run with the doom 3 cd in the tray
[06:56] <WhiteRabbit> caine_: k3b
[06:57] <Tomcat_> caine_: Nautilus can also burn CDs and I'm quite happy with it. :o
[06:57] <caine_> WhiteRabbit: if i follow you will trinity meet me  lol
[06:57] <Tomcat_> o_O
[06:57] <crimson-> i'm using a cardbus laptop card (the ones you plug in) as an ethernet port, as my laptop doesn't have one.  how can i configure a connection so that i can plug in the cable from my DSL modem into it?
[06:57] <WhiteRabbit> caine_: you think the matrix came up with the name WhiteRabbit...
[06:57] <caine_> its a joke but you got it lol
[06:57] <WhiteRabbit> I would have smiled with a jefferson airplane poke even though thats not the reason as well
[06:58] <Tomcat_> crimson-: Try ppp<tab>... there's some installer for DSL stuff.
[06:58] <geetergod> WhiteRabbit: i dont understand whats on this link you sent me?
[06:58] <WhiteRabbit> but the matrix is so 1 year ago hah
[06:58] <WhiteRabbit> geetergod: thats the linux installer to install doom3 off your cd
[06:58] <caine_> im sorry i found it quite funny but ok lol
[06:58] <WhiteRabbit> geetergod: wget ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/doom3/linux/doom3-linux-1.3.1302.x86.run
[06:58] <WhiteRabbit> or curl it
[06:58] <geetergod> so what do i do with this page though?
[06:58] <leo_mx> i think my problem is with the "ptal-init setup" command...the first time i runned it it made me some questions like the IP od the device (hp printer) and i didnt know it..so i just click enter,etc...and not when i try running this command again..it displays some info like "currently defined device names..." -"none"....what could i do?
[06:59] <geetergod> am i sposed to go through the terminal with it?
[06:59] <WhiteRabbit> geetergod: ya download that file & follow the instructions
[06:59] <WhiteRabbit> geetergod: you ever downloaded a file Im sure you have
[06:59] <WhiteRabbit> just download it
[06:59] <geetergod> it just shows a bunch of commands and stuff
[06:59] <WhiteRabbit> ah
[06:59] <crimson-> Tomcat_: ppp<tab>? sorry you're talking to a newbie, i just started trying out distros yesterday
[06:59] <WhiteRabbit> pop a term then
[06:59] <WhiteRabbit> & type wget ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/doom3/linux/doom3-linux-1.3.1302.x86.run
[07:00] <WhiteRabbit> wget is a downloader
[07:00] <WhiteRabbit> what ever dir your in when you issue wget is were the file will go
[07:01] <wdh_> crimson-, try System -> Administration -> Networking
[07:01] <crimson-> thx
[07:01] <Tomcat_> Mh... that would be another way. :)
[07:01] <nalioth> wget is da shizzle
[07:02] <geetergod> is this just a demo tho?
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> hey guys.  What's the difference between `apt-get upgrade` and `apt-get dist-upgrade` ?
[07:02] <Tomcat_> But does Ubuntu networking support dsl? :o
[07:02] <WhiteRabbit> geetergod: thats the installer for the retail cd
[07:02] <geetergod> ok sweet
[07:02] <Tomcat_> tiglionabbit: The first will only update existing packages, the second one will also resolve dependencies.
[07:02] <wdh_> Tomcat_, more n00b-friendly maybe..
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> also resolve dependencies-- what does that mean to happen differently?
[07:03] <wdh_> tiglionabbit, rtfm
[07:03] <nalioth> Tomcat_: shouldnt your installed pkgs already be dependency fixed?
[07:03] <geetergod> the file name is 'doom3-linux-1.1.1282-demo.x86.run' that correct?
[07:03] <tiglionabbit> wdh_: I did, but I don't quite get it
[07:03] <wdh_> tiglionabbit, ok, sorry then..
[07:03] <Tomcat_> tiglionabbit: The second one is necessary if an updated package has different dependencies than the old one... then dist-upgrade will install the dependency packages as well.
[07:03] <tiglionabbit> oh
[07:03] <tiglionabbit> I see
[07:03] <Tomcat_> nalioth: Of course, but when the server has an updated package with new deps... :P
[07:03] <nalioth> thx, tomcat
[07:03] <tiglionabbit> so dist-upgrade is the advisable option?
[07:04] <bur[n] er_> anyone use xterminal or Terminal from the xfce guys??
[07:04] <nalioth> nighty night
[07:04] <WhiteRabbit> geetergod: wget ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/doom3/linux/doom3-linux-1.3.1302.x86.run
[07:04] <Tomcat_> tiglionabbit: If you want to have a clean system like I do, use apt-get upgrade and when it tells you it "keeps back" a package, use dist-upgrade and check out the new deps...
[07:04] <WhiteRabbit> doom3-linux-1.3.1302.x86.run not doom3-linux-1.1.1282-demo.x86.run <--- thats the demo & its like 400 megs or so lol
[07:05] <geetergod> that link u sent me doesnt have anything to install...
[07:05] <Tomcat_> tiglionabbit: But yes, dist-upgrade will always work correctly where just "upgrade" might keep packages at an old version because deps can't be installed.
[07:05] <WhiteRabbit> geetergod: dont install it tonite wait til the morning!
[07:05] <WhiteRabbit> that is just the installer its not the full game
[07:06] <WhiteRabbit> if you dont own the retail cd then you cant install jack.
[07:06] <geetergod> i own the retail cd
[07:06] <WhiteRabbit> sh doom3-linux-1.3.1302.x86.run
[07:06] <WhiteRabbit> that will start the installer
[07:06] <tiglionabbit> alright.  At first when I read dist-upgrade I thought it meant it would allow grabbing packages marked for a different distro, and perhaps break the dependencies..   but that's just paranoia, never mind
[07:08] <geetergod> ok its installing
[07:09] <wdh> tiglionabbit, it will do that also.. but only if you have newer sources in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:10] <geetergod> what should i type in terminal to start doom3?
[07:10] <crimsun_> doom3
[07:10] <geetergod> says command not found
[07:10] <geetergod> it said installation complete and everything
[07:10] <caine_> how do i set up evolution to work with my yahoo email?
[07:11] <caine_> ???
[07:11] <TheMuso> Hey all. I have set up Ubuntu Hoary on my system using Software RAID, using my motherboard's on-board Promise controller, one drive plugged into a SATA port, and the other into the PATA port for that controller. All is installed with no problems, however DMA doesn't seem to work for my CD-ROM drive, or another drive that I have plugged into the standard IDE ports on my motherboard. Windows and the BIOS reports that all drives are, and 
[07:12] <geetergod> WhiteRabbit: it installed, now what?
[07:12] <tiglionabbit> TheMuso: cut off after "all drives are, and"
[07:12] <WhiteRabbit> geetergod: issue the start cmd to start the game if you wanna play it
[07:12] <geetergod> i dont know the start cmd thats the prob
[07:13] <neighborlee> has there been an resolution to the gnome-panel crashing  ?..just wondering as I dont think I saw as much of it in kubuntu ( crashing as in )
[07:13] <WhiteRabbit> doom3
[07:13] <TheMuso> tiglionabbit: ?
[07:13] <caine_> how do i set up evolution to work with my yahoo email?
[07:13] <WhiteRabbit> type doo then hit tab
[07:13] <WhiteRabbit> tab is our friend & pal
[07:13] <katzor> TheMuso, try what 'hdparm /dev/device' says
[07:13] <geetergod> geetergod@cpe-66-24-86-121:~$ doom3
[07:13] <geetergod> bash: doom3: command not found
[07:14] <NicP> ok guys i need a favor, a mate has designed a new pair of shoes and it would be greatly appriciated if you could vote for them
[07:14] <NicP> www.sneakerfreaker.com
[07:14] <shido> ok
[07:14] <NicP> all you have to do is click a couple of things
[07:14] <shido> I have officially blew away my entire drive and replaced XP with ubuntu
[07:14] <NicP> me too shido :D
[07:14] <shido> where do I set the 0's and 1's after the usb module
[07:14] <geetergod> me too shido
[07:14] <shido> for sound
[07:14] <shido> and can I do this dynamically
[07:15] <shido> i just installed fglrx for my radeon - got my resolution going again
[07:15] <shido> forgot where to set the sound
[07:15] <thenostradamus> has anyone tried installing limewire on the amd64 ubuntu?
[07:15] <shido> I need to set the hdparm or whatever the command was for the dma fix
[07:15] <katzor> /etc/hdparm.conf
[07:16] <WhiteRabbit> geetergod: should of read what the start cmd was
[07:16] <WhiteRabbit> at least its installed now all you gotta do is locate that cmd to start it hm
[07:16] <Anubis>  The items in this submenu correspond to the contents of the following parts of the File Types and Programs preference tool:
[07:16] <TheMuso> katzor: What specifically am I looking for?
[07:16] <geetergod> im in the readme looking
[07:16] <Anubis> this tool is where?
[07:16] <katzor> a line that says sth with dma
[07:16] <WhiteRabbit> /usr/bin <-- would be a nice place to look, Look at the entrys starting with the char of d
[07:16] <katzor> using_dma
[07:16] <crimsun_> shido: what sound cards do you have, and which do you want to be primary?
[07:17] <TheMuso> katzor: It says 0.
[07:17] <Anubis> In the view pane, select the file that you want to perform an action on. Choose File  Open With. The Open With submenu opens. The items in this submenu correspond to the contents of the following parts of the File Types and Programs preference tool:
[07:17] <katzor> allright
[07:17] <TheMuso> katzor: I know this drive can do DMA, and when I run the LIVE CD, it does use DMA.
[07:17] <katzor> TheMuso, do sudo gedit /etc/hdparm.conf
[07:17] <katzor> and simply tell it to
[07:17] <TheMuso> katzor: Already done that.
[07:17] <geetergod> i can find the file in /home/geetergod/doom3/
[07:18] <TheMuso> The message I get when trying to activate DMA is HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted.
[07:18] <katzor> TheMuso,  mine has sth like /dev/hdb {	dma = on}
[07:18] <caine_> how do i set up evolution to work with my yahoo email?
[07:19] <crimsun_> caine_: search the forums
[07:20] <shido> ok, am I an idiot? I just set
[07:20] <shido> command_line {
[07:20] <shido> hdparm -d1 /dev/hdd
[07:20] <shido> }
[07:20] <shido> command_line {
[07:20] <shido> hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[07:20] <shido> }
[07:20] <katzor> TheMuso, do you run it as root?
[07:20] <TheMuso> katzor: Yes.
[07:20] <shido> crimson-, I have 2
[07:21] <shido> crimson, I have usb 5.1 headphones
[07:21] <shido> and soundmax 5.1
[07:21] <shido> I want the usb to be primary
[07:21] <crimsun_> then just leave the usb plugged in when you boot
[07:21] <shido> where do I set that - I believe I put 0 after usb or something
[07:21] <katzor> TheMuso, hmm...dunno what that is, the drive is IDE right?
[07:21] <shido> in some fil
[07:21] <shido> e
[07:21] <crimsun_> shido: are you always going to use the usb as primary?
[07:21] <TheMuso> katzor: Yes. As I said earlier, it works with DMA when the LIVE CD is running.
[07:22] <TheMuso> katzor: The same thing happens with my CD-ROM drive.
[07:22] <geetergod> whats the file type im looking for to run Doom Whiterabbit?
[07:22] <shido> crimson-, no I will not always use it as primary , I play movies out through the tv and want to use the onboard soundmax 5.1 when I do that but in the meantime I want to use my usb headphones , I would also like to know how to switch back and forth
[07:22] <katzor> TheMuso, hm, sorry , i cant help there
[07:22] <crimsun_> shido: then it's best to not edit any files
[07:23] <katzor> TheMuso, file a bug if you want to
[07:23] <TheMuso> katzor: Thanks anyway, will go to mailing list.
[07:23] <crimsun_> shido: just leave the usb headphones plugged in during boot if you want to use them as primary
[07:23] <katzor> do that
[07:24] <katzor> is wxgtk 2.6 in breezy ??
[07:24] <crimsun_> katzor: no
[07:24] <geetergod> WhiteRabbit: shouldnt it have saved someplace under Applications?
[07:25] <crimsun_> katzor: when it enters Debian, I'll ask for a sync
[07:25] <crimsun_> katzor: but the Debian maintainer has not approved the current state for Debian, thus no package
[07:26] <LiquidGUI> hey, I just need to know something quick, I am about ot download Ubuntu (I am switching) and I was wondering, I have an AMD64, should I get the AMD64 CD or should I go for the i386
[07:26] <thenostradamus> amd64
[07:27] <katzor> crimson-, i guess its a C++4 mess
[07:27] <LiquidGUI> will I be able to run all i386 packages still
[07:27] <crimsun_> katzor: among other things
[07:27] <bob2> LiquidGUI: either one
[07:27] <katzor> k
[07:27] <bob2> LiquidGUI: amd64 will be "faster", but you can't (easily) run proprietary stuff on it
[07:27] <geetergod> I just installed Doom3 and i have the retail CD, where do i go to play it?
[07:27] <LiquidGUI> well I think I will go for i386 then
[07:27] <bob2> e.g. windows dlls in mplayer, programs with wine, proprietary linux programs
[07:27] <transgress> yeah such as i don't have flash on my amd64 lappy
[07:28] <LiquidGUI> Thanks for your help (goes to download DVD)
[07:28] <bob2> I don't have flash on my i386 laptop, either, since it makes firefox so unstable
[07:28] <transgress> but it doesn't change that i prefer to use it
[07:28] <transgress> hmm i haven't had much problem with flash and ff...
[07:29] <bob2> I have bad like with proprietary stuff. the nvidia binary drivers used to hard lock my desktop.
[07:29] <LiquidGUI> does ubuntu have good support for cameras?
[07:30] <bob2> digital ones? yes.
[07:30] <bob2> mostly, plug it in and it will offer to import the pictures for you
[07:30] <LiquidGUI> K, that was really important to me
[07:31] <LiquidGUI> also, iPod support (w/ gtkpod I am assuming) at all?
[07:31] <geetergod> hey ShudderTrix
[07:31] <bob2> gtkpod is available, yeah
[07:31] <wdh> in holland that is
[07:33] <LiquidGUI> Judging by the topic, I should not get breezy correct :P
[07:33] <Madpilot> LiquidGUI: you'd be amazed how many ppl don't get that hint in the topic... :p
[07:33] <LiquidGUI> I assume Hoary would be the best choice then?
[07:34] <wdh> LiquidGUI, yes
[07:34] <wdh> unless you like something very unstable :)
[07:34] <wdh> or are in a way masochistic
[07:34] <LiquidGUI> Alright, thanks you guys, I ran slackware for a while, was a pain in the ass
[07:34] <LiquidGUI> so I figured I would give Ubuntu a go
[07:34] <LiquidGUI> Good reviews all around
[07:36] <LiquidGUI> Thanks you guys, once again
[07:36] <drummer87> hi all, anyone here used enlightenment??
[07:36] <wdh> drummer87, tried it once or twice
[07:36] <K_Dallas> i did for a very short period of time
[07:36] <r2d4> hi
[07:37] <drummer87> is it any good?
[07:37] <r2d4> (fvwm)
[07:37] <K_Dallas> i dont see why i use something minimalistic and not use ION3!
[07:37] <wdh> drummer87, if you like eyecandy especially ;)
[07:37] <wdh> drummer87, but otherwise, its quite nice
[07:37] <drummer87> well... all i really want from it is the dock it has (engage) :)
[07:37] <wdh> *also
[07:38] <drummer87> could i run engage in gnome if i installed e16 from apt?
[07:38] <K_Dallas> drummer87, have a look at ion3! no dock no nothing
[07:38] <wdh> drummer87, i believe its possible to run it in gnome..
[07:38] <drummer87> sweeet
[07:39] <Tezkah> XFCE is awesome.
[07:39] <ElBarono> enlightenment is cool if you want to use something 5 years old
[07:39] <K_Dallas> naaaaaaaaaah :) awesome is too much for it
[07:39] <r2d4> hehe
[07:39] <r2d4> xfce > gnome > kde
[07:39] <geetergod> If i just installed Doom3 why cant i find a way to play it?
[07:39] <K_Dallas> ion1 > ion2 > ion3
[07:39] <K_Dallas> :):):)
[07:40] <geetergod> it says i need to do 'doom3' in terminal, but it said command not found
[07:40] <wdh> (/startingflamewar)
[07:40] <Tezkah> I like lots of different WMs
[07:40] <Tezkah> even icewm
[07:40] <transgress> geetergod:  locate doom3
[07:40] <drummer87> ion looks good... but i like a bit of eyecandy
[07:40] <drummer87> :)
[07:40] <K_Dallas> :):)
[07:40] <geetergod> its in home/geetergod/doom3...
[07:40] <K_Dallas> ion is just the barenaked lady
[07:40] <r2d4> console > xfce
[07:41] <geetergod> but i cant figure out how to play it
[07:41] <wdh> geetergod, just find the executable..
[07:41] <wdh> and type that in the terminal with full path
[07:42] <wdh> s/that/its name
[07:43] <JohnFights> is there a way to get gkt apps to look more like kde ones when kde?
[07:43] <geetergod> hmm i cant find the .exe file
[07:44] <r2d4> geetergod-_- $doom3
[07:44] <geetergod> whats the r2d4?
[07:44] <geetergod> that*
[07:44] <wdh> geetergod, how long since you left windows again?
[07:44] <rideout> JohnFights: apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[07:44] <geetergod> couple days ago
[07:45] <r2d4> r2d2 -> r2d3 -> r2d4
[07:45] <geetergod> no i mean whats '$doom3'?
[07:45] <r2d4> $doom3 <- run?
[07:46] <JohnFights> ok i tried that but have a small problem when in gnome they look like kde is there a way to have it so when in gnome it looks like it should and look okay when in kde
[07:46] <Myrtti> I wonder what has happened to my rhythmbox
[07:46] <geetergod> it didnt do anything
[07:46] <thenostradamus> kde rocks
[07:46] <Myrtti> it just dies
[07:46] <thenostradamus> :-)
[07:46] <r2d4> geetergod-_- RTFM
[07:48] <geetergod> now you're confusing me
[07:49] <r2d4> geetergod-_- sorry about that ^0^
[07:49] <geetergod> just seems weird, seems like 'doom3' should just start the game
[07:49] <geetergod> everything looks to be installed and there
[07:49] <Shuddertrix> geetergod: run the installer as root
[07:50] <geetergod> ok
[07:50] <rideout> anybody know how to mount a mac cdrom? I tried mount -t hfs /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0/ and -t iso9660, but neither work (neither does pmount)
[07:50] <Shuddertrix> geetergod: then, you can start it up with just a plain old "doom3"
[07:50] <Shuddertrix> geetergod: also, RTFM (nice) = read the freaking manual
[07:51] <geetergod> lol
[07:51] <r2d4> read the fine manual
[07:51] <Shuddertrix> r2d4: manuals are not fine..
[07:51] <r2d4> (google manuals)
[07:52] <Shuddertrix> LiveManuals
[07:52] <Tezkah> oddly enough, XFCE flashes the taskbar when GNOME wont...
[07:52] <Shuddertrix> See, manuals are live.
[07:52] <JohnFights> is there anyway to run outlook 2003 in linux?
[07:53] <Myrtti> why
[07:53] <Shuddertrix> JohnFights: Try Crossover office. But I doubt that 2003 works, probably XP or 2000 will.
[07:53] <Shuddertrix> JohnFights: Even then, learn to use the other mail clients
[07:53] <thenostradamus> thunderbird
[07:54] <Shuddertrix> thunderbird, mozilla-mail, pine, kmail, etc.
[07:54] <Myrtti> or evolution, if you prefer masochism
[07:54] <Shuddertrix> yeah
[07:54] <xtreme> i recently tried to re-install ubuntu... and now duting the installation routine, it gives me error messages when it tries to partition my HD, and this is the second time this is happening when re-installing ubuntu on 2 diff HD's (im now on live cd).... anybody know this problem ?
[07:55] <JohnFights> i tried all those none have the features i use alot in outlook
[07:55] <xtreme> (it wont finish formatting partitions in ext3, resierfs, and all other fs's)
[07:55] <Shuddertrix> JohnFights: What "features"?
[07:55] <Shuddertrix> JohnFights: Wait, Outlook has features?
[07:55] <thenostradamus> hahahhahaha
[07:56] <thenostradamus> lmao @ shudder
[07:57] <JohnFights> lol this why people dont like linux  people ccome for help and get microsoft bashing
[07:57] <ZeroTrace> yeah... outlook's primary feature is it's ability to be a carrier for virii no matter what you do to stop it
[07:57] <r2d4> m$ bash?
[07:57] <Shuddertrix> JohnFights: Sorry, it's just natural for me
[07:57] <Shuddertrix> JohnFights: I bash Outlook, nothing else.
[07:57] <kakalto> it's natural for most of us :P
[07:57] <Shuddertrix> Word is OK, Windows is OK, i'm fine with IE..
[07:57] <thenostradamus> yep, tell us a "feature"
[07:57] <K_Dallas> if your company does not force you to use outlook, i wonder why you would use it?
[07:57] <Shuddertrix> Just lookOut
[07:57] <thenostradamus> and we'll let u know
[07:58] <Morten^Toft> finde with IE ????
[07:58] <Morten^Toft> fine*
[07:58] <ZeroTrace> i could never be fine with IE
[07:58] <JohnFights> i have never got a virus on any windows computer
[07:58] <JohnFights> or any computer of mine for that matter
[07:58] <r2d4> what's IE?
[07:58] <K_Dallas> the guy surfs once in a blue moon
[07:58] <Morten^Toft> Internet Explore
[07:58] <geetergod> shouldnt 'sudo apt-get install doom3-linux-1.3.1302.x86.run
[07:58] <geetergod> ' start the install with root?
[07:58] <Shuddertrix> I used it once.
[07:58] <Shuddertrix> Once.
[07:58] <r2d4> sounds like a craps
[07:58] <Shuddertrix> To go to mozilla.org XD
[07:58] <Morten^Toft> heh
[07:59] <geetergod> Shuddertrix, should that do it?
[07:59] <Morten^Toft> my windows disk comes with firefox installed
[07:59] <Myrtti> dammit dammit dammit dammit
[07:59] <Shuddertrix> Actually, i have it installed in cedega for work purposes. I hate that executable with a passion.
[07:59] <Shuddertrix> geetergod: Yes.
[08:00] <geetergod> almost starts it then says command not found
[08:00] <JohnFights> the reading panel in outlook is nice only thing that has it is thunderbird but its not as nice in thunderbird
[08:00] <Shuddertrix> JohnFights: If you use it like a personal information manager, the best i've seen is Kontact, not sure if there is a GTK-based one or not..
[08:00] <Shuddertrix> reading panel?
[08:00] <ZeroTrace> that's my biggest problem with Thunderbird... it doesn't do PIM
[08:00] <jorgp> I just installed ubuntu and I have no sound, mixer channels are not muted and volumns are up and sound modules are loaded
[08:00] <Shuddertrix> ZeroTrace: Yeah, same here..
[08:00] <xtreme> im thinking maybe its somethign to do with my MBR ?
[08:01] <JohnFights> yes the message preview set to the right side
[08:01] <ZeroTrace> Sunbird isn't even close to ready either
[08:01] <Shuddertrix> ZeroTrace: I just use the KDE apps now though
[08:01] <geetergod> says reading package lists... done and building dependancy tree... done, then command not found
[08:01] <ZeroTrace> my problem is that I like Gnome apps, but KDE has more apps because it's been around longer
[08:02] <Shuddertrix> Yeah, exactly
[08:02] <ZeroTrace> and on my laptop, disk space is at a premium so i really try to pick one or the other
[08:02] <mlambie> so, is it safe to use breezy in a server environment? ;)
[08:02] <ZeroTrace> mlambie: if the topic of this channel is any indication, no
[08:02] <mlambie> ZeroTrace: exactly :)
[08:02] <Shuddertrix> mlambie: Do you like suicide, being eletricuted, screaming at the top of your lungs, bashing your head against your keyboard, or perhaps all of the above?
[08:02] <mlambie> I thought it was a funny topic
[08:03] <xtreme> is there anyway to wipe out my mbr from a terminal ?, and should i do it?
[08:03] <Shuddertrix> I think you see the point ;)
[08:03] <ZeroTrace> Shuddertrix: i've known people that have done all three in a single day
[08:03] <ZeroTrace> Shuddertrix: you left out falling through an open hole in a raised floor
[08:03] <JohnFights> i can find most of the stuff i want  from outlook in linux mail apps only problem is the stuff i like about the is spread out between all the different programs
[08:04] <Myrtti> oh wow
[08:04] <Shuddertrix> ZeroTrace: Ooops.
[08:04] <Myrtti> I managed to get XMMS working
[08:04] <geetergod> grr this is drivin me nuts
[08:04] <transgress> hey where is the modules blacklist?
[08:05] <ZeroTrace> so... i'm about to install Ubuntu for my first time since somewhere around version 2... anything i should know?
[08:05] <transgress> nm i found it
[08:05] <JohnFights> does anyone know if photoshop cs runs crossover office
[08:05] <KarlosII> ZeroTrace, around version 2?
[08:05] <KarlosII> use 5.04
[08:05] <desplesda> ubuntu had a version 2?
[08:05] <desplesda> that's news to me
[08:06] <JohnFights> i thought 4.10 was the first version
[08:06] <tiglionabbit> me too, what were the other versions called then?
[08:06] <linukso> Hi! I can't connect to anything with evolution! The network is ok, otherwise I wouldn't be talking here... I've tried connecting to several imap servers.
[08:07] <HelpPlz> hey guys
[08:07] <HelpPlz> whats up?
[08:07] <r2d4> nothing news
[08:07] <ram_einstein> hey, I just installed ubuntu. Where do I get my repos?
[08:07] <JohnFights> whats a good program for rss feeds
[08:07] <Tyche> What is the best and easiest email software to use?
[08:07] <Shuddertrix> JohnFights: Firefox, akregrator
[08:07] <HelpPlz> can anyone answer my question about partitioning?
[08:07] <Nic> i use liferea JohnFights
[08:07] <Tyche> for the server side...sorry
[08:07] <ram_einstein> joh, thunderbird
[08:08] <ram_einstein> Tyche, thunderbird or evolution
[08:08] <Nic> Tyche, thunderbird :)
[08:08] <ram_einstein> dependingon usage
[08:08] <xtreme> i recently tried to re-install ubuntu... and now duting the installation routine, it gives me error messages when it tries to partition my HD, and this is the second time this is happening when re-installing ubuntu on 2 diff HD's (im now on live cd)....
[08:08] <xtreme> (it wont finish formatting partitions in ext3, resierfs, and all other fs's)
[08:08] <ram_einstein> HelpPlz, ask
[08:08] <Shuddertrix> Tyche: I usually use exim, although hula is starting to come along nicely if you're into a good-looking gmail clone ;)
[08:09] <ubermonzie> hi all
[08:09] <HelpPlz> i have 27 gigs to install ubuntu, what partitions and what size should i make them?
[08:09] <JohnFights> going to try lifrea :)
[08:10] <transgress> HelpPlz: make a partition for boot... which is just about... iuno... 30 megs would be plenty... and then at least one for /... if you want to you can do one for home... and depending on if you put in large stuff into your home make it as big as you think you will ned
[08:10] <Shuddertrix> JohnFights: Too good for akregrator, then?
[08:10] <Shuddertrix> Just because it comes with KDE, hmm?
[08:10] <Shuddertrix> :P
[08:10] <JohnFights> thats next lol
[08:10] <ZeroTrace> JohnFights: i'm not sure that it was version 2.. only that it was a while ago right after it first came out
[08:10] <ubermonzie> dear HelpPlz , make a boot partition of 100M, swap 256-512M and the rest you can leave for /
[08:10] <xtreme> i dont get why i cant format my partitions using the ubuntu installer, but i can using command line here on the liveCD
[08:11] <HelpPlz> ubermonzie: hmm thanks mate
[08:11] <ubermonzie> you can ,  xtreme .. select manual partitioning
[08:11] <xtreme> i do that... but when i put "write changes to disk"... it ALWAYS gives me an error
[08:11] <xtreme> (wont complete the format process)
[08:11] <ubermonzie> you can make a /home of 1-3 Gigs if you want HelpPlz
[08:12] <transgress> i usually just do /boot and / on my systems
[08:12] <HelpPlz> i have 27 gigs to put into unbuntu
[08:12] <sevets> hello
[08:12] <transgress> that way i can just lvm / and leave boot alone
[08:12] <ubermonzie> that ways you can preserve your files if you want to change the Linux you want to use
[08:12] <HelpPlz> does swap really matter?
[08:12] <ubermonzie> Yes, swap is ESSENTIAL. HelpPlz
[08:12] <transgress> yes
[08:12] <sevets> Could anyone tell me how to download dependencies when using apt-get?
[08:12] <HelpPlz> dont you calculate how much swap you need with the amount of ram you got?
[08:12] <paulproteus> sevets: They come in automatically.
[08:13] <JohnFights> is there a way to get the auto update to load when kde starts?
[08:13] <paulproteus> sevets: apt-get install program
[08:13] <xtreme> i tried installing windows on the same drive adn it works.... but when i try ti install ubuntu, i cant format the partitions, so it never skips that step onto the next one durint the install.
[08:13] <paulproteus> That will get program and any dependencies.
[08:13] <paulproteus> I'm moutta here to sleep now.
[08:13] <ram_einstein> hey, I badly need some repos
[08:13] <ram_einstein> where do I get them?
[08:13] <Danko3> which ones? Ill hit you up..
[08:13] <ubermonzie> ya you do. HelpPlz . but i guess 512 MB is more than enough,, i supppose you have 256MB ram or morw
[08:13] <ram_einstein> I'm new to ubuntu
[08:13] <Danko3> :-p
[08:13] <Danko3> you type fast, tho.
[08:13] <r2d4> me too
[08:13] <ram_einstein> Dan, some basic repos
[08:14] <sevets> paulproteus: it seems like it is saying that I am unable to download the dependencies then
[08:14] <Danko3> wanna learn something new btw?
[08:14] <r2d4> *forever*
[08:14] <ram_einstein> some decent repos
[08:14] <ram_einstein> I can't install anything!
[08:14] <ubermonzie> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[08:14] <HelpPlz> i might be installing games as well
[08:14] <ubermonzie> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[08:14] <ubermonzie> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[08:14] <ubermonzie> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[08:14] <ubermonzie> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[08:14] <ubermonzie> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[08:14] <ubermonzie> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[08:14] <ram_einstein> as soon as ubuntu is installed
[08:14] <ubermonzie> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[08:14] <ubermonzie> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main
[08:14] <HelpPlz> should i make a partition for games?
[08:14] <ubermonzie> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
[08:14] <Danko3> www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list
[08:14] <ubermonzie> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main
[08:14] <ubermonzie> just make sure you have all the above lines, ram_einstein
[08:14] <ram_einstein> my god!
[08:14] <ubermonzie> that should do it
[08:14] <ram_einstein> wait
[08:14] <Danko3> please dont paste, monzie, I know you wanna help;)
[08:15] <HelpPlz> should i make a partition for games?
[08:15] <Danko3> ram_einstein: that page has good sources.list, that is the repos, do you know what to do with them, ram_einstein?
[08:15] <ubermonzie> sorry, i thought a user might find it more convinient to copy and paste from here Danko3
[08:15] <ram_einstein> which page Danko3
[08:15] <ram_einstein> no I know yum
[08:15] <ram_einstein> /etc/yum.repos
[08:15] <sevets> paulproteus: can you tell me a way to get  vlc?
[08:15] <ram_einstein> but nothing about apt
[08:15] <Danko3> ubermonzie: I know, dont worry, check this soite out, http://pastebin.com
[08:16] <Danko3> ram_einstein: are you using Ubuntu?
[08:16] <ubermonzie> By the way, are there any Ubuntu developers in this room now..
[08:16] <ram_einstein> yes Danko3
[08:16] <ubermonzie> i need to talk,,
[08:16] <ram_einstein> I'msorry ubermonzie, but what youpasted is way to scattered
[08:16] <ram_einstein> mind pastebin?
[08:17] <bur[n] er> sevets: synaptic
[08:17] <ram_einstein> and giving me a bit of instructions?
[08:17] <ubermonzie> wait ... let me open a seperate chat window and give you the lines
[08:17] <sevets> bur[n] er: what is synaptic?
[08:17] <p07r0457> graphical package manager
[08:17] <sevets> amazing
[08:18] <Danko3> ram_einstein: check this out... you open a terminal, and type in sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list to open and edit the file with the list of repositories, then you look at the page I posted, and erase what you have in your file, and replace it what that link shows...then you save, and close gedit(editor) then in the same terminal, you type in sudo aptitude update and you are good. then you can sudo aptitude packageName when you want to
[08:19] <ram_einstein> Danko3, which link!?
[08:19] <p07r0457> okay, I have a problem with my repositorys
[08:19] <p07r0457> hoping someone can lend a hand
[08:19] <p07r0457> I did the unofficial ubuntu guide thingy
[08:20] <p07r0457> but I can't get apt-get install sun-j2re1.5 to go
[08:20] <p07r0457> says it can't find that package
[08:20] <Danko3> Now I g2g, and if you have more questions, please dont listen to ubermonzie's advice, he needs to learn more before he can give advice.... glad to have you tho, ubermonzie. As well, as a good read on repositories, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto ...... It is above, please scroll up, or I gues I could type, www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list
[08:20] <ram_einstein> thanks Danko3
[08:20] <ram_einstein> bye
[08:20] <sevets> after downloading synaptic how do I install it?
[08:20] <p07r0457> should already be installed
[08:20] <p07r0457> is it a .deb file?
[08:20] <sevets> yes
[08:21] <p07r0457> sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[08:21] <sevets> thankya
[08:21] <Danko3> HelpPlz: you should use the default partitioning if you are installing on a whole hard drive, unless you know what you should do, and you should do what you need to do, and if you dont know about something, then you dont need it, pretty much.
[08:21] <linukso> Hmmm, I can connect to my imap server with mutt, but not evolution. Any ideas anyone?
[08:21] <transgress> hey does anyone know what package snd_emu10k1 is in?
[08:21] <Danko3> sevets: please read the above mentioned wiki link, about repositories to learn about synaptic, it is built uin, you dont install that...
[08:22] <p07r0457> transgress > alsa, isn't it?
[08:22] <transgress> yeah that's what i thought, but for some reason my friend's sound blaster isn't starting up and those drivers aren't htere
[08:22] <p07r0457> anyone know what repository I have to add to get sun-j2re1.5?
[08:22] <transgress> there
[08:22] <p07r0457> I've tried the ones posted here a minute ago
[08:22] <ubermonzie> Danko3, the repositories i told ram_einstein were enought to do the job..
[08:22] <p07r0457> I've also tried ubuntuguide.org
[08:23] <ubermonzie> what exactly do you want p07r0457 ?
[08:23] <sevets> hmm thanks danko3
[08:23] <transgress> p07r0457: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[08:23] <HelpPlz> Danko3: I got one big hard drive with windows and linux
[08:23] <p07r0457> sun-j2re1.5
[08:23] <ubermonzie> Do auto matic partitioning HelpPlz
[08:24] <HelpPlz> might delete windows
[08:24] <HelpPlz> i dont trust it anyway
[08:24] <transgress> p07r0457: it's on that page
[08:24] <p07r0457> doesn't work for me
[08:24] <HelpPlz> im off installing, but im not sure about the game partition
[08:24] <transgress> how so?
[08:24] <ubermonzie> if you want to keep windows, you have to do manual...
[08:24] <p07r0457> p07r0457@P07r0457:~$ sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[08:24] <p07r0457> Reading package lists... Done
[08:24] <p07r0457> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:24] <p07r0457> E: Couldn't find package sun-j2re1.5
[08:24] <transgress> give details
[08:24] <HelpPlz> anyway bye
[08:24] <transgress> did you sudo apt-get update after you added the repo?
[08:24] <p07r0457> yep
[08:24] <JohnFights> what would i delete to get my gnome to start again. something is wrong and gnome wont load on one of my accounts
[08:24] <ubermonzie> you have to get your repos rifht p07r0457
[08:25] <transgress> p07r0457: try 1.5.0
[08:25] <p07r0457> did the ones posted here a minute ago, and I had the ones at ubuntuguide.org before that
[08:25] <p07r0457> just tried 1.5.0, no go
[08:25] <ubermonzie> search for j2re in synaptic, if you have it installed,
[08:25] <p07r0457> forgive the paste here.... but this is my sources.list file:
[08:25] <p07r0457> #
[08:25] <p07r0457> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted universe multiverse
[08:25] <p07r0457> #
[08:25] <p07r0457> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[08:25] <p07r0457> #
[08:25] <p07r0457> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[08:25] <p07r0457> #
[08:25] <ubermonzie> should work without a hitch
[08:25] <p07r0457> 
[08:25] <p07r0457> #
[08:25] <Danko3> ubermonzie: ok, well let me tell you what was completely wrong about them, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main .... and he would likely end up with a broken apt-get system, for a while.. now let me tell you all, just a friendly advice keep in mind... please do not post answers to questions you are not fairly certain you know what to do with, since you are actually making it worse by getting the question offe the scree
[08:25] <p07r0457> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted universe multiverse
[08:25] <p07r0457> #
[08:25] <p07r0457> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[08:26] <p07r0457> #
[08:26] <p07r0457> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[08:26] <p07r0457> #
[08:26] <p07r0457> 
[08:26] <p07r0457> #
[08:26] <p07r0457> #deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main
[08:26] <transgress> p07r0457: it's called a fucking pastebin
[08:26] <Danko3> p07r0457: please paste to a pastebin, and paste the URL to the channel....
[08:26] <Danko3> http://pastebin.com
[08:26] <Danko3> im off.
[08:26] <Danko3> good luck!
[08:27] <p07r0457> sorry
[08:27] <p07r0457> any ideas?
[08:27] <transgress> well in case you missed it... search j2re in synaptic
[08:27] <ubermonzie> dear Danko3  i use the above lines, and nothing is broken
[08:28] <p07r0457> not in synaptic
[08:28] <transgress> then the java repo isn't in synapticv
[08:28] <transgress> err in your sources
[08:28] <ubermonzie> and ram_einstein just told me he got his job done
[08:28] <ubermonzie> why dont you peole try sun.java.com
[08:28] <transgress> because the repo will work better
[08:28] <geetergod> can someone tell me whats wrong when i try to start doom3 i get this...http://pastebin.com/293133
[08:28] <p07r0457> because java isn't the only package not found :rolleyes:
[08:29] <p07r0457> and the point of apt-get is to be useful
[08:29] <ubermonzie> may be you can get binaries.. agreed the repo will work better
[08:29] <transgress> look...add the repo in that wiki, apt-get update... open synaptic, and search j2re
[08:29] <transgress> and ubermonzie STFU and try to be helpful.
[08:29] <transgress> of course he can get binaries... it's all that is offered
[08:29] <ubermonzie> same to you transgress
[08:29] <geetergod> can someone tell me whats wrong when i try to start doom3 i get this...http://pastebin.com/293133
[08:30] <transgress> geetergod: what vid card?
[08:30] <geetergod> NVidia GeForce III
[08:31] <transgress> glxinfo | grep direct
[08:31] <transgress> what's that give?
[08:31] <geetergod> that should run Doom3 correct?
[08:31] <ubermonzie> hey transgress , my glxinfo gives me a segmentation fault
[08:31] <ubermonzie> what should i do?
[08:32] <transgress> glxinfo segfaults?
[08:32] <ubermonzie> yes
[08:32] <transgress> umm
[08:32] <JohnFights> can anyone help me get my gnome working again on my one  user account it just keeps trying to load the menu/taskbar over and over when it first starts
[08:32] <transgress> like immediately?
[08:32] <p07r0457> http://pastebin.com/293136
[08:32] <Tyche> Shuddertrix: Do you know how to configure hula once installed?
[08:32] <p07r0457> that's what I'm using as my sources.list
[08:32] <p07r0457> j2re still not found
[08:33] <ubermonzie> and i manually upgraded from Warty to hoary (by changing the repos and download via apt-get)
[08:33] <transgress> JohnFights: try moving the .gconf2 and .gnome2 folders to somewhere else ... it'll start gnome back with the basic shit
[08:33] <JohnFights> thanks transgress i will try that
[08:33] <geetergod> transgress: think its something up with my vid card?
[08:34] <transgress> p07r0457: you still don't have the java repo's
[08:34] <ells> anyone here using gtkpod
[08:34] <transgress> geetergod: what did glxinfo | grep direct say?
[08:34] <sevets> excellent
[08:35] <sevets> VLC + frontend
[08:35] <p07r0457> where are they?
[08:35] <sevets> works
[08:35] <p07r0457> ubuntugude.org doesn't mention anything else
[08:35] <geetergod> glxinfo?
[08:35] <transgress> p07r0457: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[08:35] <Tyche> Has anyone used PPTP VPN?
[08:35] <geetergod> grep direct?
[08:35] <transgress> i never mention ubuntuguide... because i'm yet to not find a wiki
[08:35] <transgress> geetergod:  at a console type in "glxinfo | grep direct" and it will return a line back to you.  show me that line
[08:36] <ells> anyone here using gtkpod
[08:36] <geetergod> direct rendering: Yes
[08:36] <geetergod> i typed it in terminal
[08:36] <transgress> geetergod: hmm okay
[08:36] <transgress> geetergod: then it must have to do with the fact that it can't find that config file
[08:37] <ells> let me rephrase that, does anyone know how gtkpod actually works
[08:37] <transgress> geetergod: updatedb and then locate "name of the .cfg at the end of that error"
[08:37] <geetergod> hmm..
[08:37] <transgress> geetergod: ah yes... locate default.cfg
[08:37] <geetergod> fatal error: updatedb: You are not authorized to create a default slocate database!
[08:38] <asynic> geetergod: sudo
[08:38] <transgress> sudo updatedb
[08:38] <geetergod> k
[08:38] <ram_einstein> what p2p doftware do you all use?
[08:38] <ram_einstein> I had limewire on Fedora
[08:38] <transgress> what is this p2p?
[08:38] <ram_einstein> but never liked it very much anyway
[08:38] <ram_einstein> peer to peer
[08:39] <ram_einstein> like kazaa
[08:39] <transgress> oh i use a phone to talk to my peers
[08:39] <ram_einstein> that lets you download stuff like music
[08:39] <transgress> kazaa?  isn't that a genie from that arabic book?
[08:39] <ram_einstein> !
[08:39] <ubotu> ram_einstein: Are you smoking crack?
[08:39] <geetergod> it did nothing when i did sudo updatedb
[08:39] <ram_einstein> ubotu, no, why?
[08:39] <ubotu> ram_einstein: I give up, what is it?
[08:39] <transgress> it did... it just didn't say anything
[08:39] <geetergod> didnt show anything anywya
[08:39] <transgress> geetergod: now locate default.cfg
[08:39] <ram_einstein> what's wrong with my question?
[08:40] <geetergod> just 'locate defaul.cfg' or sudo?
[08:40] <ram_einstein> all I wanted was something that lets me connect to other peers and download stuff like music
[08:40] <transgress> ram_einstein: this is a help channel and not a pirates channel
[08:40] <transgress> just locate will suffice
[08:40] <ram_einstein> transgress, it's perfectly legal
[08:40] <jorgp> what is the name and password for cups?
[08:40] <ram_einstein> there's absolutely nothing wrong with it
[08:41] <transgress> ram_einstein: don't act like we are idiots
[08:41] <transgress> although i use bittorrent myself
[08:41] <transgress> ;)
[08:41] <ram_einstein> ... and how do I add a printer here?
[08:41] <ram_einstein> bittorrent id for torrents
[08:41] <arc1> quick question guys, what is the defult root login in ubuntu
[08:41] <geetergod> 'locate default.cfg' did nothing
[08:41] <ram_einstein> I want to connect to the eDonkey etc networks
[08:41] <transgress> geetergod: that's your problem then... for some reason you don't have a file needed by doom3
[08:42] <geetergod> hm
[08:42] <ram_einstein> what's "defulat root login" arc1
[08:42] <geetergod> iiiiinteresting
[08:42] <arc1> yeah
[08:42] <arc1> i guess what i thought i types in for my user password and what i guess i typed in is diffrent
[08:42] <nern> hey hey hey
[08:43] <arc1> so i cant log in
[08:43] <nern> what up with it gangstars
[08:43] <ram_einstein> how do I add a usb printer!?
[08:43] <geetergod> that sucks
[08:43] <ram_einstein> the device manager lists it allright
[08:43] <ram_einstein> but how do I install it?
[08:43] <nern> hmm i have a usb printer but ive never tried to use it since i installed ubuntu since i never print anything... hmmm
[08:44] <Swordxl> ALguein vivo?
[08:44] <ram_einstein> nern, any damn printer! how do I instal hardware here?
[08:44] <ram_einstein> other than plug n' play stuff
[08:44] <nern> lemme look for a second
[08:44] <ram_einstein> got it
[08:44] <ram_einstein> sorry
[08:44] <nern> main menu > system >admin > printing
[08:45] <nern> got iy?
[08:45] <ram_einstein> it was in system>admn
[08:45] <ram_einstein> yeah
[08:45] <nern> YES
[08:45] <geetergod> transgress: what do you recomend i do?
[08:45] <ram_einstein> thanks
[08:45] <p07r0457> system > admin>printing
[08:45] <nern> me and you
[08:45] <nern> see
[08:45] <nern> same wavelength
[08:45] <ram_einstein> a little late in the day p07r0457
[08:45] <transgress> geetergod: i'd probably search on the cd for it
[08:45] <p07r0457> aye
[08:45] <ws003> hai  sopo neng kono
[08:45] <geetergod> for default.cfg?
[08:45] <transgress> yes
[08:45] <geetergod> k
[08:46] <ram_einstein> how do I view my pppoe connection? set up using pppoeconf
[08:46] <ws003> he kono kuwi sopo ? kok ra jawab-jawab
[08:46] <ram_einstein> poff turns it off
[08:46] <ram_einstein> pon ? truns it on?
[08:46] <geetergod> I see a default.htm
[08:47] <Tyche> anyone here use hula for a MTA?
[08:47] <ram_einstein> hell-0! how do I view my pppoe connections!?
[08:47] <geetergod> i did a search for default.cfg on the disk, nothing
[08:48] <transgress> hmm
[08:48] <JohnnyRotten> transgress, thanks it worked :)
[08:48] <transgress> iuno... i haven't installed doom3... i didn't much like it
[08:48] <transgress> JohnnyRotten: np
[08:48] <transgress> JohnnyRotten: what did i fix for you?
[08:48] <JohnnyRotten> my gnome wouldnt start
[08:48] <transgress> JohnnyRotten: ah yes... i had the same problem two nights ago heh
[08:48] <JohnnyRotten> lol
[08:49] <JohnnyRotten> i figured it was just something that could be deleted just didn't know what I should remove
[08:49] <ram_einstein> ... okay if that question was too hard... how do I install k3b? apt-get install k3b provided I have the repos right?
[08:50] <transgress> yeah... technically you could probably clear it up w/o loosing your settings, but it's a PIA finding that one thing that is causing problems
[08:50] <geetergod> sudo apt-get install k3b
[08:50] <ram_einstein> k thanks geetergod
[08:50] <geetergod> sweet program ram_einstein
[08:50] <ram_einstein> I ususally sudo su - before doing these tasks anyway
[08:50] <JohnnyRotten> i didn't lose much i only installed ubuntu a little while ago
[08:50] <ram_einstein> I'm used to su -
[08:51] <p07r0457> well, I need sleep... goodnight everybody
[08:51] <ram_einstein> from fedora
[08:51] <djs> ram_einstein: ifconfig should show something about pppoe
[08:51] <ram_einstein> yeah thanks djs
[08:52] <ram_einstein> by what mechanism is it activated at startup?
[08:52] <ram_einstein> ... is kubuntu good?
[08:52] <JohnnyRotten> are there any themes like the human defualt except blue or some other color
[08:52] <djs> i think you can set it to do so in the network applet
[08:52] <ram_einstein> there's a #kubuntu! I'll ask
[08:53] <ws003> hello is some one there?
[08:53] <djs> System -> Administration -> Networking
[08:53] <uber_monzie> hi alll
[08:54] <ram_einstein> that doesn't list anything djs
[08:54] <ram_einstein> it only lists my network interfaces
[08:54] <ram_einstein> not connections
[08:54] <ram_einstein> certainly not my ppp0
[08:56] <Echelon-H> I'm here.. but im noob :P
[08:57] <JohnnyRotten> is there a way to have gnome apps look nice in kde while still having gnome apps look like gnome apps in gnome?
[08:57] <JohnnyRotten> when i downloaded that qt deb it made the package manager look bad whine in gnome
[08:57] <transgress> JohnnyRotten: umm... well when you go to kde it will keep the gnome theme you set for them... or should
[08:57] <JohnnyRotten> oops while
[08:58] <geetergod> transgress, when i put glxgears into terminal i get this...
[08:58] <geetergod> geetergod@cpe-66-24-86-121:~$ glxgears
[08:58] <geetergod> 12049 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2409.800 FPS
[08:58] <geetergod> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
[08:58] <JohnnyRotten> its not working that way :( lol
[08:59] <JohnnyRotten> while i am in gnome they have a kde colors/look
[08:59] <geetergod> does that mean somethings not right transgress?
[08:59] <transgress> geetergod: umm you have a video card problem... you get great FPS at first then it breaks your X... so i'd say something is definitely bad
[08:59] <geetergod> hm...
[08:59] <JohnnyRotten> it works okay while in kde
[08:59] <geetergod> 13313 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2662.600 FPS
[08:59] <geetergod> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
[08:59] <geetergod> is that a good fps?
[08:59] <transgress> geetergod: that tends to happen to me on my one box when i run out of ram
[08:59] <tiglionabbit> how do I add a command I want to be executed on startup by any account if accessed on my local machine, after x has finished setting up?
[09:00] <geetergod> what could be wrong? i play Americas Army fine
[09:00] <transgress> geetergod: yeah that's damned good
[09:00] <JohnnyRotten> it will show the gnome theme/kde whatever i pick in kde but in gnome its messed up looking
[09:00] <ws003> some one want to see you
[09:00] <geetergod> any ideas what i should do?
[09:00] <transgress> no clue to be honest
[09:01] <uber_monzie> #
[09:01] <uber_monzie>     /msg nickserv set email manish_chaks@gmail.com
[09:01] <geetergod> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-51296.html
[09:01] <geetergod> check that out transgress
[09:01] <geetergod> that dude has the same problem
[09:01] <ram_einstein> I have to import a couple of GPG keys
[09:01] <JohnnyRotten> is there a way to fix this W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[09:01] <ram_einstein> please help me do that
[09:01] <geetergod> i think the last post might tell what to do
[09:02] <ram_einstein> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[09:02] <ram_einstein> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[09:02] <ram_einstein> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[09:02] <ram_einstein> sorry for pasting
[09:02] <nern> even though it doesnt verify you should still be able to use it
[09:02] <ram_einstein> how do you import the GPG keys?
[09:02] <nern> it will just prompt you that it couldnt verify and do you want to proceed?
[09:02] <ram_einstein> no nern
[09:02] <transgress> gpg --import-key
[09:02] <nern> no?
[09:03] <transgress> ram_einstein: tell it to in the apt config
[09:03] <ram_einstein> transgress, gpg --import-key what?
[09:03] <ram_einstein> *?
[09:03] <geetergod> see that link transgress?
[09:03] <transgress> ram_einstein: gpg --import-key keyfile.gpg
[09:03] <ram_einstein> invalif option --import-key
[09:04] <ram_einstein> what's wrong?
[09:04] <ram_einstein> man it and find out
[09:04] <ram_einstein> one sec
[09:04] <transgress> god hates you
[09:04] <geetergod> lol
[09:05] <geetergod>  "You need to copy pak000.pk4, pak001.pk4, pak002.pk4, pak$
[09:05] <geetergod> "pak004.pk4 from either your installation media or your h$
[09:05] <geetergod> "${dir}/base before running the game."
[09:05] <geetergod> "To play the game run:"
[09:05] <geetergod> " doom3"
[09:05] <geetergod> that guy says thats what u need to do
[09:05] <transgress> then go for it
[09:05] <ram_einstein> can't open keyfile
[09:05] <transgress> not like it can get anymore broken geetergod
[09:05] <transgress> i'm so not drunk. i don't touch alcohol
[09:05] <syntaxman> Which is newer, Hoary or Warty?
[09:06] <nern> alcohol is not my favorite
[09:06] <geetergod> how do i copy those?
[09:06] <ram_einstein> sudo gpg --import keyfile.gpg
[09:06] <ram_einstein> gpg: WARNING: unsafe ownership on configuration file "/home/lilram/.gnupg/gpg.conf"
[09:06] <ram_einstein> gpg: can't open `keyfile.gpg': No such file or directory
[09:06] <ram_einstein> gpg: Total number processed: 0
[09:06] <nern> hoary
[09:06] <transgress> although pot grows in the earth.  so i don't mind it.
[09:06] <nern> warty is the old one
[09:06] <ram_einstein> what's wrong?
[09:06] <JohnnyRotten> transgress, do you know what might be wrong that themes dont show up right in gnome when that qt deb is installed?
[09:06] <transgress> geetergod: cp *pk* might do it
[09:06] <nern> ooooh i love me some pot
[09:06] <nern> thats my favorite thing ever
[09:06] <ram_einstein> can someone give me decent repos?
[09:06] <ram_einstein> k3b isn't on mine
[09:07] <syntaxman> nern: thanks... I assume I can just change my sources.list and upgrade in place as I could with debian, right?
[09:07] <Nic> nern, pot sucks
[09:07] <transgress> eh i need to try to make some tea with my pot... better than smoking it and supposed to lsat longer
[09:07] <nern> Nic to each his own
[09:07] <uber_monzie> are there any other window managers available for GNOME other than metacity?
[09:07] <transgress> i think i'll do that tomorrow
[09:07] <Nic> it stinks like hell and its put mates if mine in psychiatric wards
[09:07] <uber_monzie> i mean,, in the ubuntu package
[09:08] <nern> syntaxman, yeah i was told that a dist upgrade does work from warty to hoary
[09:08] <Nic> if - of
[09:08] <transgress> Nic: bullshit... they got something laced.
[09:08] <JohnnyRotten> k3b is in mine?
[09:08] <Nic> no they just smoked it day in day out for years
[09:08] <uber_monzie> hey nern , i just perfomed one man..
[09:08] <uber_monzie> except a few minor quirks,, its woking..
[09:08] <uber_monzie> the only thing that is causing problems is xmms
[09:09] <transgress> Nic: yeah i know plenty of people like that... and they go to work each day... they live well each day... and they are fine.  pot doesn't have anything to cause breakdowns like that...
[09:09] <nern> uber_monzie: there is a step by step in the ubuntu forums someplace on how to replace metacity with openbox
[09:09] <ram_einstein> please give me a repository with k3b!!!
[09:09] <uber_monzie> thanks nern. will look it into it..
[09:09] <Nic> it can lead to depression and anxiety attacks
[09:09] <transgress> ram_einstein: it's in hoary
[09:09] <Nic> everything in moderation i guess
[09:09] <uber_monzie> btw, is open box really better than metacity?
[09:09] <nern> the universe and multiverse should be enabled and then you could get k3b for sure
[09:09] <transgress> Nic: no... worrying about it will lead to that.  those who realize it isn't bad tend to do just fine.
[09:10] <nern> i wouldnt use openbox
[09:10] <Nic> well my mate dosent think its bad
[09:10] <transgress> i'd use blackbox
[09:10] <nern> i like lightweight, but not that lightweight
[09:10] <ram_einstein> it isn't transgress
[09:10] <Nic> and he was taken to a psychiatric ward by police
[09:10] <nern> metacity is plenty lightweight for me
[09:10] <ram_einstein> okay, I need a new apt.sources file quickly
[09:10] <nern> anything is better than fucking kde
[09:10] <ram_einstein> mine's screwed
[09:10] <Nic> now he still smokes it
[09:11] <nern> lemme link you ram_einstein
[09:11] <ram_einstein> just get me a standard apt.sources file with decent repos
[09:11] <nern> sec
[09:11] <Nic> because he thinks it dosen affect him
[09:11] <uber_monzie> xfce is good .. try it.. lightweight too ram_einstein
[09:11] <ram_einstein> okay nern
[09:11] <Razor-X> I don't like Blackbox, personally
[09:11] <Razor-X> I like XFce
[09:11] <kimo> guys, I am facing a really wierd problem! I can not run any scripts! gives me "permission denied!"
[09:11] <transgress> that's so funny, because i know quite a few people who take it to calm them down.
[09:11] <ram_einstein> uber_monzie, I don't like xfce!
[09:11] <uber_monzie> why ram_einstein ?
[09:11] <uber_monzie> its good
[09:11] <ram_einstein> it certainly doesn't look nice
[09:11] <Nic> i have mates that do that too
[09:11] <JohnFights> i think xfce is looks nice
[09:12] <uber_monzie> install a decent theme.. or make your own.. but it's real fast
[09:12] <Nic> like i said everything in moderation
[09:12] <transgress> i know psychaitrists that tell their patients to do so
[09:12] <ram_einstein> :)
[09:12] <uber_monzie> although i hate xffm ..
[09:12] <Nic> i still hate the stuff tho
[09:12] <ram_einstein> probably
[09:12] <uber_monzie> thats bad
[09:12] <ram_einstein> I'll stick with gnome for now
[09:12] <ram_einstein> anyway, I need a apt.sources file quickly
[09:12] <Nic> are u transgress off TA?
[09:12] <uber_monzie> enlightenment anyone?
[09:12] <nern> okay this may not look like much but it will tap you into lots
[09:12] <nern> http://pastebin.ca/13081
[09:12] <transgress> k3b is very much in the hoary repo
[09:12] <ram_einstein> no enlightenent
[09:13] <ram_einstein> okay then give me a proper apt.sources file
[09:13] <ram_einstein> mine is screwed
[09:13] <nern> http://pastebin.ca/13081
[09:13] <nern> http://pastebin.ca/13081
[09:13] <ram_einstein> I screwed it
[09:13] <nern> there
[09:13] <kimo> any help with this weirdo problem
[09:13] <nern> if you want the sources just copy those and make the deb in front deb-src
[09:13] <transgress> Nic: TA?
[09:13] <nern> i dont bother with sources
[09:13] <uber_monzie> will paste it in your window ram_einstein
[09:13] <Nic> obviously not :P
[09:13] <nern> thats cuz i suck
[09:13] <transgress> what is TA?
[09:14] <ram_einstein> that's all I need nern?
[09:14] <Nic> tranceaddict
[09:14] <ram_einstein> okay uber_monzie
[09:14] <nern> yeah thats the hoary main universe and multiverse shit there
[09:14] <johnnybezak> hey guys
[09:14] <transgress> ah nope... not i.  although i do sometimes like trance... but i'm more of a bob marley, tool, RATM, mudvayne, dresden dolls type person
[09:14] <nern> k3b certainly be there
[09:15] <nern> i use more than just that though, but i use the backports and no one else likes to do that
[09:15] <nern> i love me some backports
[09:15] <johnnybezak> backports ey....
[09:16] <ram_einstein> that's my sources.list: http://pastebin.com/293142
[09:16] <ram_einstein> is there anything wrong with it?
[09:16] <uber_monzie> i just gave it to ya, ram_einstein
[09:17] <ram_einstein> ya but it's too hard to copy
[09:17] <nern> i would just comment out or delete the cd just because you can get everything online, but thats up to you
[09:17] <JasonF> I'm trying to figure out what my USB Webcam identifies itself as
[09:17] <JasonF> so I can see if the spca5xx driver will work for it
[09:17] <JasonF> I've seached /proc, and I can't find where to find info on attached USB devices
[09:17] <transgress> JasonF: did you try running lspci?
[09:17] <geetergod> ggrrrr this is driving me nuts
[09:17] <JasonF> transgress: only lists the USB controllers, not the devices
[09:18] <geetergod>  "You need to copy pak000.pk4, pak001.pk4, pak002.pk4, pak$
[09:18] <geetergod> "pak004.pk4 from either your installation media or your h$
[09:18] <geetergod> "${dir}/base before running the game."
[09:18] <geetergod> "To play the game run:"
[09:18] <geetergod> " doom3"
[09:18] <geetergod> what the hell does this mean?
[09:18] <transgress> JasonF: ah you are right
[09:18] <transgress> JasonF: what type of cam?
[09:18] <geetergod> copy it? copy it and do what?
[09:18] <JasonF> transgress: that's what I'm trying to figure out
[09:18] <nern> just copy it i guess
[09:18] <JasonF> I have a list of USB identifiers that work with this driver
[09:18] <transgress> geetergod: you need to copy it to where ever the game is installed to
[09:18] <nern> those would be the big files the game reads
[09:19] <JasonF> I just need to get the one for my cam
[09:19] <geetergod> copy what?
[09:19] <transgress> JasonF: do you at least know the brand?
[09:19] <JasonF> I know there's GOT to be a way to do it in linux
[09:19] <JasonF> it's a labtec
[09:19] <nern> so if you copy those into the game dir then you could run doom3 and play it
[09:19] <JasonF> but I think it's really just a rebranded logiteck QC
[09:19] <nern> copy the pk files
[09:19] <JasonF> that's why I want to get the USB device ID
[09:20] <ram_einstein> how do I get a project planner?
[09:20] <ram_einstein> it ws there on my office list
[09:20] <ram_einstein> in add/remove programs gui
[09:20] <ram_einstein> on my desktop computer
[09:20] <ram_einstein> it isn't here
[09:20] <ram_einstein> why?
[09:20] <geetergod> copy 'pak000.pk4' and put it someplace?
[09:20] <ram_einstein> what geetergod?
[09:20] <ram_einstein> what's that file?
[09:20] <nern> copy all those pk files it told you to, and copy them into the game base dir and then you should be good to go
[09:21] <geetergod> i dont know, heres what i have to do...
[09:21] <ram_einstein> add/remove programs lists some programs in my gnome menu
[09:21] <geetergod> You need to copy pak000.pk4, pak001.pk4, pak002.pk4, pak$
[09:21] <geetergod> "pak004.pk4 from either your installation media or your h$
[09:21] <geetergod> "${dir}/base before running the game."
[09:21] <geetergod> "To play the game run:"
[09:21] <geetergod> " doom3"
[09:21] <ram_einstein> but it doesn't have project planner
[09:21] <geetergod> where are the pk files tho?
[09:21] <ram_einstein> I want project planner
[09:21] <nern> on the cd
[09:21] <ram_einstein> how do I get it on the add/remove programs list
[09:21] <ram_einstein> how do I take it from the cd!?
[09:22] <nern> cp command prolly
[09:22] <nern> sorry im talking to geeter
[09:22] <ram_einstein> ah got it thanks nern!
[09:22] <JasonF> hah! I was correct
[09:22] <JasonF> logitech quickcam in disguise
[09:22] <nern> i donno whats going on
[09:22] <ram_einstein> all thanks to you I got my repos up too!
[09:22] <ram_einstein> thanks a lot nern!
[09:22] <nern> yep
[09:22] <nern> i love the ubuntu repos
[09:22] <geetergod> pak000.pk4 wasnt found on the CD
[09:22] <nern> they are so good
[09:23] <nern> fast and up to date
[09:23] <nern> debian repos are weird
[09:23] <ram_einstein> :)
[09:23] <nern> like even unstable is not up to date
[09:23] <nern> anyway
[09:23] <nern> im out
[09:23] <ram_einstein> I'm out too
[09:24] <geetergod> can anyone help me here?
[09:25] <m0r0n> geetergod, just ask your question
[09:26] <geetergod> welp. im tring to play doom 3...
[09:26] <geetergod> Unknown command 'vid_restart'
[09:26] <geetergod> idRenderSystem::Shutdown()
[09:26] <geetergod> Sys_Error: Couldn't load default.cfg
[09:26] <geetergod> i get that message at the bottom part of when i type 'doom3' in the terminal...
[09:26] <geetergod> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-51296.html
[09:26] <geetergod> this is the exact problem i have in that link
[09:27] <Danko3> hey, so what was up with that, we haev  new users, it seems:)
[09:27] <Tyche> anyone use webmin?
[09:27] <geetergod> if u go to that link it'll be the same prob i have.
[09:28] <geetergod> exept my fps is a lot higher than that
[09:28] <Danko3> geetergod: is that a native linux version of doom3?
[09:29] <geetergod> i dunno
[09:29] <Burgundavia> Danko3, yes
[09:29] <JohnFights> what are some good theme sites for gnome/kde and stuff like customizing
[09:30] <geetergod> i dont understand what the persons trying to say here...
[09:30] <geetergod>  "You need to copy pak000.pk4, pak001.pk4, pak002.pk4, pak$
[09:30] <geetergod> "pak004.pk4 from either your installation media or your h$
[09:30] <geetergod> "${dir}/base before running the game."
[09:30] <geetergod> "To play the game run:"
[09:30] <geetergod> " doom3"
[09:30] <Burgundavia> JohnFights, gnome-look.org
[09:31] <geetergod> i have pak002.pk4 on the CD
[09:32] <guptan> is it safe to install newer pango release from tar ball? ( I need to some character rendering for indic fonts)
[09:33] <bigfoot> which is the fastest-loading pre-installed program for plain-text files?
[09:33] <prasys> hello guys
[09:33] <prasys> got question
[09:33] <bigfoot> How do I remove some of the applications listed in the "Open With..."  dialog window?
[09:33] <prasys> first of all I am using uBuntu err, both on x86 and ppc
[09:33] <prasys> i got a question
[09:33] <JohnFights> pico?vim?
[09:34] <bigfoot> JohnFights, were you talking to me? if so, are pico and vim faster loading than gedit?
[09:34] <JohnFights> nano
[09:34] <JohnFights> yes
[09:34] <prasys> can i install kubuntu on vpc 7 for OSX
[09:35] <prasys> i need to compile x86 builds on the mac
[09:35] <JohnFights> they all load fast
[09:35] <prasys> on the go
[09:35] <ws003> hallo is your name really aziz?
[09:35] <iceman> anyone use windowmaker ... i need to reconfig it to run at 800x600
[09:35] <bigfoot> Regarding, the "Open With" window, for example, I don't think I 'll ever be opening a file with Frozen Bubble, or any of the other games. So please tell me how to remove some of the entries from the list? (While keeping the programs on my system, of course!)
[09:36] <geetergod> someones gotta be able to help me :)
[09:36] <Stalagna> ?? Can someone help me get my .mpg's to play?
[09:37] <guptan> Why does ubuntu  call it libpango* while other distros  refer to it as
[09:37] <guptan> pango? and why is it version1.0 not 1.2 in hoary?
[09:38] <sri__> breezy broken again
[09:38] <sri__> !
[09:38] <ubotu> sri__: Wish i knew
[09:38] <sri__> !
[09:38] <dmoyne> I want to pursue my bug investigation with CUPS and Ubuntu ; anyone to help ?
[09:38] <Danko3> Burgundavia: yes what, his version is natuive linux doom3?
[09:38] <Burgundavia> Danko3, there is a native doom3 version for linux
[09:38] <prasys> what
[09:38] <Burgundavia> Danko3, I think you can download the client from the website
[09:38] <prasys> native version
[09:39] <Danko3> well, I was asking him if he ahd that one...
[09:39] <geetergod> how do i tell?
[09:39] <Stalagna> Any ideas how to play MPG movies?
[09:39] <sri__> ubotu /etc/X11/X is not executable ... when starting X
[09:39] <ubotu> ...but /etc/x11/x is already something else...
[09:39] <dmoyne>     I want to pursue my bug investigation with CUPS and Ubuntu ; anyone to help ?
[09:39] <sri__> ubotu .. yes symlink .. which finally repeats
[09:39] <ubotu> sri__: I don't know, could you explain it?
[09:39] <bigfoot> any fast-loading non-terminal/console program to read text files? Coz VIM and Nano are very fast to load, but it's hard to do editing, such as select all and delete? JohnFights
[09:40] <geetergod> Danko3: how do i check if i have the native version?
[09:40] <sri__> ubotu /etc/X11/X -> /usr/bin/X11/Xorg -> ../../X11R6/bin/Xorg -> (points itself)
[09:40] <ubotu> You are moron #1, sri__
[09:40] <athlon> does regular user need rsyncd ? I am trying to speed up ubuntu's start up time. I wonder if removing rsyncd from rc2.d is a good idea.
[09:41] <bob2> sri__: dude, it's a bot
[09:41] <Danko3> geetergod: where had you gotten it from?
[09:41] <bigfoot> I was thinking Gedit, but i wonder if there's any program  that loads faster... thanks.
[09:41] <bob2> athlon: no, you don't, it's safe to remove it
[09:41] <geetergod> I have the retail CD
[09:41] <bob2> athlon: but it doesn't run by default anyway, unless you edit /etc/default/rsync
[09:41] <bob2> sri__: dude, ubotu is a BOT
[09:41] <athlon> okay, thanks
[09:41] <sri__> bob2 :O
[09:42] <Danko3> nice:)
[09:42] <sri__> ubotu stfu
[09:42] <ubotu> rumour has it, stfu is Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg
[09:42] <sri__> haha
[09:42] <geetergod> and Shuddertrix gave me the command to type in terminal to downloaded the Doom3 linux installer
[09:42] <athlon> rofl
[09:42] <ws003> hai ziz why dont you answer me ?
[09:42] <Danko3> awesome, please dont abuse the bot, sorry he is a little rude, I am about to reteach it manners...
[09:42] <Stalagna> can someone help me get my MPG's to play
[09:42] <Danko3> !restricted
[09:42] <ubotu> well, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:43] <geetergod> Danko3: you have any ideas what I should do?
[09:43] <Danko3> Stalagna: please visit the URL ubotu gave you.
[09:43] <Danko3> geetergod: you have a retail cd of doom3?
[09:43] <geetergod> yes
[09:43] <bob2> cafuego: might want to unload the dpkg db there :)
[09:44] <Danko3> bob2: cafuego is not speaking, who did you mean?
[09:44] <Danko3> geetergod: ok, well, does it say on it what OS it is for?
[09:44] <bob2> Danko3: ?
[09:44] <bob2> Danko3: I meant cafuego, since he's runing ubotu.
[09:45] <Danko3> what do you mean by running?
[09:45] <geetergod> Danko3: where will it say?
[09:45] <Danko3> on the box.
[09:45] <geetergod> k
[09:45] <bob2> Danko3: as in it is running on a machine of his
[09:45] <Danko3> bob2: I still dont see why you said his name, I guess for when he scans the channel for messages?
[09:45] <freewoody> How do I get Samba running on my LAN
[09:45] <sri__> oops, getting fed up with this shit ...
[09:45] <sri__> breezy
[09:45] <geetergod> Pc CD-ROM     Windows 2000/XP
[09:45] <bob2> freewoody: pick. one. channel.
[09:46] <geetergod> Danko3: u mean that?
[09:46] <bob2> Danko3: his client will show it to him when he returns
[09:46] <Danko3> bob2: Ah, yes, you are correct, I have somethingt to talk to you about teh bot, tho...
[09:46] <Danko3> sri__: um, please dont swear?
[09:47] <sri__> dpkg: error processing twm
[09:47] <sri__> how to see what happened?
[09:47] <sri__> logs?
[09:47] <bob2> sri__: scroll up
[09:47] <sri__> at least somebody could help me fix this
[09:47] <sri__> bob2 nothing printed
[09:47] <bob2> sri__: yes, something else was printed
[09:47] <sri__> subprocess post-installation script returned with exit code 2
[09:47] <sri__> just that
[09:48] <bob2> no, scroll up further
[09:48] <bob2> and paste the whole thing to #flood
[09:48] <sri__> ok .. one line is there
[09:48] <johnnybe1ak> hey guys
[09:48] <geetergod> Danko3: you know how i should install it?
[09:48] <Danko3> bob2: well, I was gonna say dont upload dpkg on it, but...you can do that for a start, somewhat, and !moron needs to be removed... I would like to get involved with training  the bot, and I will. I work for Comcast tech support and I think I have some skills, and I think I could teach the bot nice, I have some ideas.
[09:48] <sri__> update-alternatives: slave link name /usr/share/man/man1/x-window-manager.1.gz duplicated
[09:48] <sri__> bob2 that one
[09:49] <bob2> sri__: so, when I said "scroll up" and you said "nothing printed", what did you mean?
[09:49] <Danko3> please join #cedega, geetergod, and ask them if they know, I asked if you can ask the other day, they said, sure, but taht you should consider using the naticve linux version
[09:49] <johnnybe1ak> what is the lowest memory use browser?
[09:49] <sri__> bob2 ok, now how to fix this?
[09:49] <johnnybe1ak> (not links :))
[09:49] <bob2> sri__: please, in future, be more careful
[09:50] <sri__> bob2 ok
[09:50] <sri__> enough giving advice
[09:50] <safezone> hi room
[09:50] <geetergod> where can i join #cedega?
[09:50] <bob2> sri__: sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
[09:50] <sri__> what do you mean by slave link duplicated?
[09:50] <safezone> any one know the commad to change password
[09:50] <bob2> safezone: passwd
[09:50] <Danko3> bob2: I believe we should have a polite bot, and you will agree:) anyhow, I think that we need to make the channel better, as you said, but, still differrent from debian, cause what, we dont wanna be exactly like them, and I dont think a lot of dpkg's phrases are very "ubuntu" I am really psyched about training this bot...
[09:50] <bob2> safezone: but it's best not to change the root password
[09:50] <Danko3> geetergod: /join #cedega
[09:51] <bob2> Danko3: yes, I think it'd be better to start with a blank db, and more polite error messages
[09:51] <geetergod> k
[09:51] <sri__> bob2 yes, did that .. but stil getting *same* error
[09:51] <safezone> i don't know it thats why i need to change it
[09:52] <bob2> safezone: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:52] <bob2> safezone: there's no need to change or set it
[09:52] <Danko3> not only that, but, even more informative than some, yeah, I mean, I cant saay it all in 2 words, now, I am even planning on sending yuo guys at canonical an email, I think I would be a fairly good person to train the bot, since I havce customer service skills, and so on... tech support, and that...
[09:52] <safezone> then how can i change it
[09:52] <bob2> safezone: why do you want to change it?
[09:52] <safezone> i need to log as root
[09:52] <bob2> safezone: what are you trying to do?
[09:52] <bob2> safezone: why?
[09:52] <safezone> i need to log as root
[09:52] <bob2> Danko3: anyone can train it
[09:52] <bob2> safezone: why do you need to login as root?
[09:52] <Danko3> no, sure, but, not as good as me:-p is what I mean...
[09:52] <safezone> change resolution
[09:52] <psychonate> 3:52 AM, and I have finals today heh
[09:53] <Choubaka> safezone: use sudo
[09:53] <bob2> safezone: you don't need to login as root to do that
[09:53] <bob2> Danko3: we are not going to have a bot only you can change, sorry
[09:54] <sri__> bob2 i did --remove-all . .. andnow it worked
[09:54] <bob2> sri__: cool
[09:54] <bob2> I wasn't sure if that was safe or not
[09:54] <sri__> bob2, but now when I run 'startx' it says /etc/X11/X is not executable (same cyclic link problem)
[09:54] <bob2> Danko3: I would encourage you to add useful things to both the bot and the wiki, now, tho
[09:54] <athlon> safezone, just do "sudo su" if you really want to get root shell
[09:54] <bob2> sri__: please tell me you're not using breezy
[09:54] <bob2> sri__: because then I will have to be all annoyed at you
[09:55] <bob2> safezone: if you really think you need a root shell, "sudo -s" will get you one, once you're logged in as your normal user
[09:55] <Danko3> bob2: hehe, no, that is not what I meant...just I am sure you have admins that monitor it somehow, (for dpkg, ubotu is new, you prolly dont) and I dont expect you to let me admin it right away, off course I need to show you I am worth something... but I have the will and some ideas, anyhow, as it is open source:) we will all work on it, and synergyze  on it, however you spell that word.
[09:55] <sri__> bob2 I am using breezy
[09:55] <ilba7r> bob2 hi do you know of any good pdf editor under linux
[09:55] <bob2> sri__: so, you should know to search the mailing list archives yourself then
[09:56] <bob2> sri__: breezy is expected to be broken for the near future, please don't use it if you don't want to fix things yourself
[09:56] <sri__> bob2 first mistake
[09:56] <bob2> ilba7r: I only know of one very basic one called "panda", but I'm not sure if it's usable or not
[09:56] <Danko3> bob2: hey you like my nick? it is kinda similar to yours...
[09:56] <Tallia1> hei guys, sometimes i has  a problem with the latest version of firefox.. but reading on a forum i've found that could be a problem due to the changing i've made from gnome to kde..
[09:57] <ilba7r> thanx bob2 i found that kword of the koffice do it but the fonts rendering is so bad thanx for your feedback
[09:57] <bob2> Danko3: the people (if any) who monitor it do not have any special abilities to modify data
[09:57] <bob2> Danko3: just using the regular IRC interface to add and alter factoids is all I'd expect anyone (including myself) to ever have to do
[09:57] <Danko3> bob2: well, that should be obvious why it sucks, not being able to limit who can abuse whatever he wants into the bot...
[09:57] <bob2> Danko3: dpkg is maintained like that, except in cases of extreme abuse
[09:58] <sri__> bob2 me on console, give me some hint
[09:58] <freewoody> Well Debian and Ubuntu are almost the same channel
[09:58] <bob2> Danko3: people who abuse the bot will be banned from using it, and people who abuse others in here, directly or via the bot will be removed from here, too
[09:58] <Danko3> bob2: I just think you didnt hear the part where I said I deal with 60ish customers every day, all for tech support...
[09:58] <bob2> safezone: please don't /msg me
[09:58] <sri__> bob2 ok, how reinstall (without removing in middle) a package?
[09:59] <bob2> Danko3: that's great that you have skills like that, and they are certainly appreciated
[09:59] <safezone> ok  sorry
[09:59] <bob2> Danko3: I'm not sure why you think you need some special access to the bot, tho...I've never used my admin access for ubotu, and I don't have admin access to dpkg.
[09:59] <safezone> but how do i cahnge resolution from shell
[09:59] <bob2> and I like to think I can be helpful sometimes ;p
[09:59] <bob2> safezone: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:00] <bob2> sri__: reinstall = deleting partition contents and reinstalling everything from scratch
[10:00] <Danko3> bob2: also, very hard to define abuse, how will you react when people start replacing wiki entries with ubuntuguide.org no, never said special access, just for stuff like aI just said, to be able to keep the bot in a state as it is, perhaps only allow appending to everyone, not overwriting for example !restricted
[10:00] <Danko3> do you get where I am coming from with that?
[10:01] <Danko3> I need no special access.
[10:01] <Danko3> for one, for other, I dont think that the bot at debian can not be made better.
[10:01] <Danko3> so, I would like to try, is all.
[10:01] <Danko3> Just wanted to announce to you:)
[10:02] <Danko3> stop turning me away!...jj.
[10:02] <bob2> I know dpkg's database coule be improved, and I hope ubotu is not abused
[10:02] <sri__> bob2 i just need the /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg executable
[10:02] <schasi> What is ubotu?
[10:03] <sri__> stupid bot
[10:03] <Danko3> good stuff, anyhow, a cat I have here for keeping just puked all over my bed:( haha,...stupid girl she fed the cat milk...I hate people that do that...
[10:03] <bob2> sri__: dpkg -L xserver-xorg | grep bin
[10:03] <Danko3> well, she had good intentions, I guess.
[10:04] <sri__> bob2 i know, that package has it .. but unfortuantely it installs symlink, instead of the executable file
[10:06] <johnnybe1ak> hey
[10:06] <herpes> hi
[10:06] <johnnybe1ak> sorry just thought the net dropped off
[10:06] <Danko3> herpes, Id say hi, but dunno if Ill get infected.
[10:07] <Danko3> JaneW: :)
[10:07] <jsgotangco> JaneW, hi
[10:07] <JaneW> hi jsgotangco
[10:07] <JaneW> herpes, catchy nick!
[10:07] <Danko3> haha, come one.
[10:07] <Danko3> on
[10:08] <Danko3> you guys make me laugh, many thanks...:)
[10:08] <JaneW> herpes, so you do viruses then?
[10:09] <herpes> JaneW, i stay away from them if i can help it
[10:10] <sri__> bob2 could you please send me your Xorg executable? (through dcc send)
[10:10] <bob2> no
[10:10] <sri__> :(
[10:10] <bob2> if nothing else, I'm using hoary
[10:10] <sri__> bob2, no send that
[10:10] <bob2> no
[10:11] <bob2> you can download that yourself
[10:11] <johnnybe1ak> how do i configure the colours in my xterm?
[10:11] <freewoody> bob2, are you in Ubuntu too ?
[10:11] <bob2> I'm not going to encourage people on IRC to run random executables from strangers
[10:11] <sri__> bob2 i dont want to download the entire package, as i dont have enough bandwidth now
[10:11] <sri__> bob2 or how can I download the executable file alone?
[10:12] <Danko3> now, bob2, watch...
[10:12] <Danko3> !DSL
[10:12] <bob2> sri__: it's 6MB.
[10:12] <sri__> bob2 bzip size?
[10:12] <Danko3> ok, well, I should haev saved that long typing out, since it did not work...
[10:13] <sri__> bob2 no, even 6mb is too much
[10:13] <bob2> sri__: ok.
[10:13] <Dalkus> My monitor suddenly just....switched off, and no matter what I do, I cant get any power into it. I've tried using several differnt leads from several differnt plugs
[10:13] <Dalkus> I can't beleive the monitor died.... It has been fine and shown no signs of dying
[10:13] <sri__> bob2 send me Xorg file alone
[10:13] <Dalkus> Any advice please?
[10:13] <bob2> no, sorry, I'm not going to send it
[10:13] <Danko3> bob2: umm...you said, /msg ubotu foo is bar ? did not work, I think.
[10:13] <Danko3> ubotu: DSL
[10:13] <bob2> and you shouldn't be running binaries from people you don't know on IRC
[10:14] <sri__> damn
[10:14] <bob2> ubotu: foo is bar
[10:14] <ubotu> ...but foo is already something else...
[10:14] <johnnybe1ak> Dalkus: sometimes these things are sudden, did your monitor have funeral insurance?
[10:14] <bob2> Danko3: perhaps it has you on /ignore
[10:14] <Dalkus> johnnybe1ak, nope - you think it died?? It was fine! :\
[10:14] <Danko3> I have him open, he sends me messages.
[10:14] <litro> HELLO
[10:14] <johnnybe1ak> Dalkus: haha i dont know, sounds dead to me though
[10:14] <sege> which is the next version of ubuntu and how stable is it? getting tired of stable old hoary =)
[10:14] <Dalkus> mrph, well - thanks
[10:14] <Danko3> but not the one I just typed out a long thing for:( and didnt copy and paste... Ill read the bloot bot docs, later...
[10:15] <bob2> sege: breezy, and no, it's not stable
[10:15] <freewoody> bob2, are you there ?
[10:15] <bob2> sege: please read the /topic
[10:15] <bob2> freewoody: no
[10:15] <johnnybe1ak> sege: read the topic
[10:15] <litro> somebody speak spanish?
[10:15] <bob2> litro: #ubuntu-es
[10:15] <freewoody> bob2, please check my Exim log at: http://pastebin.com/293154
[10:15] <bob2> freewoody: pick. one. channel.
[10:15] <Danko3> !ara los usuarios ubuntu habla hispa?a que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #ubuntu-es
[10:15] <ubotu> You are moron #2, Danko3
[10:15] <Danko3> thanks.
[10:15] <freewoody> I prefer Ubuntu
[10:16] <Danko3> this one even counts who is which number...
[10:16] <Tyche> Is there some sort of ubuntu firewall that would hinder connections to ports?
[10:16] <Tyche> even if they are open using "nmap locahost"
[10:16] <athlon> Tyche, iptables ?
[10:16] <phend> hi all. does anyone know any decent tutorials for writing threaded apps with python?
[10:16] <Fator_Dee> Tyche: not by default
[10:16] <dbernar1_> !DSL
[10:17] <litro> thanks
[10:17] <litro> but
[10:17] <bob2> phend: avoid if at all possible
[10:17] <phend> bob2, my task in work today is to learn how to do it :/
[10:17] <bob2> phend: ouch :)
[10:17] <freewoody> Can somebody check if my Exim config is Ok:  http://pastebin.com/293156
[10:17] <phend> bob2, hehe
[10:17] <phend> bob2, how come you don't like it?
[10:17] <bob2> freewoody: please stop it
[10:17] <bob2> freewoody: you're not using ubuntu
[10:18] <freewoody> Well I am using Ubuntu on my Home PC
[10:18] <litro> somebody know some web with ubuntu's package aplications?
[10:18] <sege> bob2, johnnybe1ak: i know it isn't 'stable', i wondered how unstable it is, hoary was usable and nice in december i think so it should be possible to use the next one soon. =)
[10:18] <bob2> sege: broken as in X doesn't start and it wasn't possible to login via a terminal for a few days
[10:18] <freewoody> hey bob2, help me this once with the Exim thing? I will get this job if I did things right
[10:18] <bob2> sege: wait a while, there will be an anouncement when it's ready for user testing
[10:18] <Danko3> freewoody: I never seen that file, I dont know how it should look, try at the channel of the distro it is for.
[10:19] <sege> bob2: haha, oki then, i'll wait a while ;)
[10:19] <bob2> phend: twisted python just seems nicer
[10:19] <freewoody> Does nobody here uses Exim Mail Server ???
[10:19] <bob2> and you can't deadlock it, etc
[10:19] <phend> bob2, never heard of that
[10:19] <freewoody> I am surprised
[10:20] <bob2> freewoody: you have been warned numerous times
[10:20] <Danko3> oh, its a exim program, not a distro, tried man exim?
[10:20] <bob2> phend: www.twistedpython.com, do multiple things at once without threads
[10:20] <phend> bob2, cool, i'll take a look
[10:20] <athlon> there is an exim distro ?
[10:20] <Choubaka> no :P
[10:20] <Danko3> dunno, never heard of exim.
[10:20] <bob2> it's a MTA, like postfix
[10:21] <smith|offglasses> umm
[10:21] <smith|offglasses> old yhings
[10:21] <Danko3> no, Ive aptitude searched since we talked about it...
[10:21] <smith|offglasses> s/yhing/thing
[10:21] <Danko3> right, got that, smith|offglasses.
[10:21] <smith|offglasses> ...
[10:21] <liz4rd> how do i install xfce4
[10:22] <Danko3> sudo aptitude install xfce4
[10:22] <tiglionabbit> when I try to run xmame fullscreen, it crashes and says "XDGA: info: found 1 modes: OSD: Info: Ideal mode for this game = 304x224.  no suitable mode found.  X11: Warning: Couldn't create display for new x11-mode
[10:22] <freewoody> bob2, have you looked at my Exim config file ?
[10:22] <Danko3> nice, I got an idea:)
[10:22] <tiglionabbit> how do I add a mode to xorg to appease this?
[10:22] <smith|offglasses> (and you got a suck xfce4)
[10:23] <bob2> freewoody: I answered you in #debian, now leave this channel or be quiet
[10:23] <JohnnyRotten> are there any programs for ubuntu like google/msn desktop search
[10:23] <Danko3> no, he will get it, are you trolling by any chance, smith|offglasses?
[10:23] <bob2> JohnnyRotten: beagle, but it's not quite ready
[10:23] <liz4rd> how do i change the root pass?
[10:24] <tiglionabbit> why does everyone ask that?
[10:24] <Danko3> hey, that smith guy was from my country...
[10:24] <bob2> phend: heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/%7Ematloff/Python/PyThreads.pdf
[10:24] <tiglionabbit> liz4rd: sudo passwd, if you must know
[10:24] <bob2> liz4rd: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:24] <Danko3> liz4rd: if that command asked you for a password, it asked you for yours, btw.
[10:24] <JohnnyRotten> bob2, is the a place to download a deb of it to try it out?
[10:24] <bob2> liz4rd: it's also in the FAQ, and the installer popped up a screen about it during the install, which you had to say "ok" to
[10:24] <freewoody> bob2, can't you help me out with this Exim thing ?
[10:25] <liz4rd> well it wont change my pass
[10:25] <liz4rd> for su
[10:25] <tiglionabbit> bob2: really?  I don't recall that, and I've done several installs with people
[10:25] <athlon> freewoody, maybe #exim would be a better place to ask
[10:26] <my_haz_> hello i am tring to install ash
[10:26] <bob2> liz4rd: read the wiki page I told you about
[10:26] <tiglionabbit> anyway, xorg, how do I add a proper mode for 304x224?
[10:26] <my_haz_> when i say sudo apt-get install ash
[10:26] <marck1> dears, I have a problem with Hoary on a Pc. When I attach my USB key the system hang. If I unplug the key.. nothing change and I need to violently reboot. How can i resolve this kind of things?
[10:26] <my_haz_> its says that it can't find it, what should i do
[10:26] <dbernar1_> marck1, please consider anger management for the violent reboots, I dont know how to fixc the issue with the computer tho;)
[10:27] <bob2> my_haz_: wiki.ubuntu.com/SyanpticHowto, it's in the universe repository
[10:27] <marck1> dbernar1_, dunno should i do, probably related to acpi.. a parameter passed on boot.
[10:28] <my_haz_> bob2: thanks i will have a look
[10:28] <Danko3> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto my_haz_
[10:28] <mpatton> ubuntu rules...sorry just had to say that
[10:28] <Danko3> bob2: just one letter wrong, is all...
[10:28] <Danko3> so he does not ask you again...
[10:28] <johnnybe1ak> hey guys i'm using fluxbox as my WM, and I wan't the gnome icons/etc to work. normally i put "gnome-settings-daemon" in my .xsession but for some reason that's not working. any ideas?
[10:29] <bob2> johnnybe1ak: you mean on the desktop?
[10:29] <Danko3> mpatton: please go to a channel where they like ubuntu, and say stuff like that;)
[10:29] <bob2> JohnnyRotten: searc the wiki (wiki.ubuntu.com) for Beagle, there's a page explaining how to get it on hoary
[10:29] <marck1> anyone knows parameters for linux boot to resolve system hang when plug a usb key?
[10:29] <JohnnyRotten> okay thanks
[10:30] <Danko3> marck1: just give some time.
[10:30] <bob2> marck1: try noacpi and noapic
[10:30] <mpatton> just testing irc...take care all
[10:31] <johnnybe1ak> @bob2: um im not sure i get you
[10:31] <Danko3> ubotu qotd1 is '(03:28:48) mpatton: ubuntu rules...sorry just had to say that ... (03:29:36) Danko3: mpatton: please go to a channel where they like ubuntu, and say stuff like that;)'
[10:31] <ubotu> ...but qotd1 is already something else...
[10:31] <Danko3>  ubotu qotd2 is '(03:28:48) mpatton: ubuntu rules...sorry just had to say that ... (03:29:36) Danko3: mpatton: please go to a channel where they like ubuntu, and say stuff like that;)'
[10:31] <ubotu> ...but qotd2 is already something else...
[10:31] <bob2> johnnybe1ak: what do you want to do?
[10:31] <Danko3> ok, enough, I know.
[10:31] <bob2> Danko3: a) that's not very quotable, b) do it in /msg
[10:31] <Danko3> bob2: youre just jellaous noone picked your quote for teh day...
[10:32] <johnnybe1ak> @bob2: just run gnome-settings-daemon so that the themes work in my apps
[10:32] <johnnybe1ak> @bob2: when I log in to flux
[10:32] <Danko3> !qotd3
[10:32] <ubotu> ams | bob2, And you are amazingly stupid.
[10:32] <bob2> Danko3: you picked your own quote of the day
[10:32] <bob2> johnnybe1ak: oh, right
[10:32] <Danko3> bob2: dont you get jokes?
[10:33] <Danko3> bob2: why did the bot just diss you.
[10:33] <liz4rd> how would i install xfce4?
[10:33] <liz4rd> threw apt-get?
[10:33] <johnnybe1ak> yo
[10:33] <johnnybe1ak> apt-get install xfce4
[10:33] <Danko3> liz4rd: did sudo aptitude install xfce4 fail?
[10:33] <bob2> liz4rd: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto, it's in the universe repository
[10:33] <johnnybe1ak> or whatever is called
[10:33] <bob2> Danko3: this is exactly why I didn't want a bot
[10:34] <Danko3> bob2: we will work on it.
[10:34] <Danko3> we=I, me...
[10:34] <bob2> Danko3: you're the person who is currently misusing it
[10:34] <johnnybe1ak> who wanted a bot
[10:34] <Danko3> bob2: get off my case already with the bot...
[10:34] <bob2> wtf
[10:34] <Danko3> I didnt tell it anything, ubotu: ams | bob2, And you are amazingly stupid.
[10:35] <Danko3> I didnt specify that...
[10:35] <johnnybe1ak> play nicely children spread the ubuntu
[10:35] <tiglionabbit> you could have a bot like dpkg that tells which repositories whatever package is in
[10:35] <Danko3> I  just wanna see, and you shoul dlearn more than 5 negative terms, already
[10:35] <bob2> Danko3: please just stop using it in the channel
[10:35] <bob2> tiglionabbit: it does that already!
[10:35] <tiglionabbit> oh
[10:35] <tiglionabbit> then why don't we use it?
[10:35] <bob2> tiglionabbit: you can!
[10:36] <tiglionabbit> okay cool, how?
[10:36] <bob2> ubotu: info ash
[10:36] <bob2> ok, it's still set to /msg that to people
[10:36] <bob2> instead of saying itin the channel, but it does work
[10:37] <Danko3> bob2: thats more constructive feedback, at least I know what you mean, anyhow, there is good use for the bot in the channel, and I am trying to learn how to use it, I am not "abusing" it, that is what i meant when I said you should learn moer than 5 negative terms, its not all black and white bob2.
[10:37] <X7C> how can i reconfig grub but using the ncurses interface?
[10:37] <Danko3> anyhiow, thanks.
[10:37] <Amaranth> bob2: it PMs you if the output is too long
[10:37] <X7C> i mean the auto config thingie....
[10:37] <Amaranth> bob2: > 128 chars, iirc
[10:37] <bob2> Amaranth: hm, the limit is set too low then, I guess
[10:37] <Amaranth> ubotu: info python-xdg
[10:37] <IIIEars> info Canonical
[10:37] <Amaranth> yes, too low
[10:38] <Amaranth> and it shouldn't tell me it's updating ubuntu files, it should just do it
[10:38] <Amaranth> cafuego: ping?
[10:38] <tiglionabbit> info w32codecs
[10:38] <bob2> cafuego: can you up the "switch to /msg mode" limit a bit? things like "info ash" should come into the channel
[10:38] <Amaranth> btw, it doesn't tell you if it's in universe
[10:38] <Danko3> ubotu info mplayer
[10:39] <bob2> cafuego: (and thanks again!)
[10:39] <tiglionabbit> ubotu info vlc
[10:39] <bob2> Amaranth: yeah it does
[10:39] <Amaranth> bob2: did you ever figure out how to authenticate with it?
 unfortunately, debian is disabled in my configuration <--wtf
[10:40] <liz4rd> dammit i cant change the root password
[10:40] <tiglionabbit> ubotu info mplayer
[10:40] <bob2> liz4rd: yes, you can
[10:40] <bob2> liz4rd: you've been told 4 ways to find out how
[10:40] <tiglionabbit> ubotu info xmame-x
[10:40] <bob2> liz4rd: and someone told you directly
[10:40] <tiglionabbit> =\
[10:41] <tiglionabbit> does too exist
[10:41] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: pm the bot, please
[10:41] <bob2> liz4rd: and you don't need to change it, anyway
[10:41] <tiglionabbit> Amaranth: when I do that, it asys "unfortunately, debian is disabled in my configuration"
[10:41] <guptan> why do we have libpango version 1.0 in ubuntu but pango.org showing current stable version 1.2.5?
[10:41] <liz4rd> why is there no use for it?
[10:41] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: then don't use it, please don't spam us with commands
[10:42] <lewwy> lol
[10:42] <tiglionabbit> hey, I was just testing it out
[10:42] <lewwy> judging by the topic
[10:42] <Danko3> Amaranth: please tell me the syntax to make the bot only see what I am asking it...
[10:42] <lewwy> lots of ppl have been using breezy
[10:42] <lewwy> and it blows
[10:42] <lewwy> correct?
[10:42] <Amaranth> it breaks things
[10:42] <lewwy> hmmm
[10:42] <bob2> lewwy: things are broken
[10:42] <bob2> lewwy: then they complain
[10:42] <lewwy> i still cant figure out why if its broken
[10:42] <bob2> lewwy: just don't use it yet
[10:42] <lewwy> the beta is released
[10:43] <lewwy> im not intending to
[10:43] <bob2> lewwy: no, it's not
[10:43] <lewwy> the snapshot
[10:43] <lewwy> or whatev
[10:43] <bob2> lewwy: the very very very first alpha has been released
[10:43] <lewwy> ah
[10:43] <lewwy> ok
[10:43] <lewwy> fair enough then
[10:44] <envel> Please help! After incorrect shutdown (reset pressed) the journal of my reiserfs system is not replayed ("... seems mounted read-only, skipping journal replay"). How to enable writing on boot?
[10:45] <lewwy> quick!
[10:45] <lewwy> whats the recurive version or rm?
[10:45] <bob2> -r...
[10:45] <lewwy> omg thx bob2
[10:46] <envel> nobody knows it?
[10:46] <bob2> most people avoid reiser because of things like that
[10:46] <lewwy> uhh
[10:46] <lewwy> isnt reiser good because it keeps everything in the journal?
[10:47] <bob2> no
[10:47] <envel> ext3 also has a journal
[10:47] <bob2> it doesn't keep everything in the journal
[10:47] <lewwy> or fast?
[10:47] <bob2> it is fast for some things, yes
[10:47] <dbernar1_> cafuego, your bot does not accept /msg commands, at least not as the dpkg one does...
[10:47] <bob2> dbernar1_: does for me
[10:47] <envel> why the journal replay is not working? it should
[10:47] <Amaranth> bob2: /msg ubotu info bzflag
[10:48] <Danko3> well, good for you, bob2:) it doesnt here, I tried the same command with the two bots. Ill do it one more time, just to make sure for you, k?
[10:48] <envel> why the file system is mounted read-only on boot
[10:48] <bob2> envel: because it's damaged
[10:48] <bob2> envel: I'd try asking on the user list so someone can give more comprehensive advice
[10:48] <bob2> Amaranth: I get the debian error message thing
[10:49] <Amaranth> this sounds like a good reason to not use reiserfs
[10:49] <Amaranth> bob2: exactly
[10:49] <envel> RRRRRR
[10:49] <bob2> cafuego: things like "info bzflag" return an error about "debian being disable in my configuration", do you know what's up with that?
[10:49] <dbernar1_> cafuego, yes, double checked, it does not accept my commands, through xchat, nor through gaim.
[10:49] <Amaranth> guys cafuego has been idle 7 hours
[10:49] <bob2> Amaranth: yes, and he will pick it up when he gets back
[10:50] <Danko3> ha, you getting involved with the bot, too, bob2?
[10:50] <Danko3> Great.
[10:50] <bob2> Danko3: ?
[10:50] <Myrtti> hm, what file should I edit to change the applications that are used to open a file
[10:50] <Amaranth> we're the ones that make sure you don't abuse it
[10:50] <Danko3> taking interest in getting it to work...
[10:50] <Amaranth> Myrtti: right click and choose open with
[10:50] <envel> The journal replay in Ubuntu not working at all. Even after installing. Because root filesystem is mounted read-only.
[10:50] <Danko3> !info mplayer
[10:50] <Myrtti> Amaranth: that just adds applications
[10:50] <bob2> Danko3: I'm the fallback admin of it
[10:50] <lewwy> dont use reiser
[10:51] <Myrtti> I want to remove an application I've added that way
[10:51] <Amaranth> bob2: so am i, did you ever manage to login?
[10:51] <Fator_Dee> Myrtti: you can change it there too
[10:51] <lewwy> redhat uses it
[10:51] <drummer87> hey, will SuperKaramba run fine in Gnome? and would the themes work as they would in KDE?
[10:51] <lewwy> thats good enuff reason
[10:51] <Danko3> bob2: how come if you did not want it at all? just cause you are asssigned the channel?
[10:51] <Fator_Dee> Myrtti: there should be a remove button IIRC
[10:51] <Amaranth> Danko3: Yes, we are bot admins because it's a part of running the channel.
[10:52] <bob2> Danko3: I don't want it because I thought it would be abused (which is happening already).  if it's going to be here, it needs looking after, which is what Amaranth and I are trying to do.
[10:52] <Myrtti> oh, it's in properties
[10:52] <bob2> drummer87: they should do
[10:52] <bob2> drummer87: but there's a gnome equivalent called gdesklets
[10:52] <Amaranth> bob2: so, what was the secret to logging into the bot?
[10:52] <Danko3> bob2: you are full of yourself, and I am geting full of you tonight,  maybe Im just stressed out...Ill ttyl...
[10:53] <Danko3> mayhbe I just dont get your conversational style...
[10:53] <Fator_Dee> Amaranth: what bot is it?
[10:53] <lewwy> you are getting full of bob2 tonigh?
[10:53] <lewwy> tonight*
[10:53] <Amaranth> kinky
[10:53] <drummer87> bob2, i have that but the themes in superkaramba look better for a osx-like dock
[10:53] <Amaranth> Fator_Dee: blootbot, i think
[10:53] <dbernar1_> meaning AIve had enough...
[10:54] <bob2> Amaranth: no, it seems to just listen to me
[10:54] <bob2> drummer87: ok
[10:54] <Amaranth> bob2: You can use all the commands?
[10:54] <bob2> Amaranth: afaict
[10:54] <Amaranth> bob2: i guess i never thought of just trying to use them
[10:55] <Amaranth> tell Amaranth about info bzflag
[10:55] <Amaranth> hrm
[10:55] <lewwy> !info bzflag
[10:55] <lewwy> ohhh
[10:55] <lewwy> so theres like
[10:55] <lewwy> a bot in this chan
[10:55] <lewwy> that gives you info?
[10:55] <lewwy> on apps?
[10:55] <Amaranth> something like that
[10:56] <lewwy> or should i stfu?
[10:56] <lewwy> ah ok
[10:56] <Amaranth> it doesn't work right now when you PM it and you can't flood the channel giving it commands
[10:56] <Amaranth> so basically you can't use it
[10:56] <lewwy> hey!
[10:56] <lewwy> it works!
[10:56] <lewwy> !info mplayer
[10:57] <lewwy> hmmm
[10:57] <lewwy> bzflag works
[10:57] <lewwy> !info nvidia-glx
[10:57] <lewwy> yeh it works perfectly
[10:57] <lewwy> whats the problem?
[10:57] <lewwy> nvidia-glx and bzflag work
[10:58] <Amaranth> lewwy: You're flooding the channel with bot commands.
[10:58] <lewwy> hmm
[10:58] <lewwy> not really
[10:58] <lewwy> but i suppose me x 1000 other newbies could be bad
[10:59] <Fator_Dee> if an op says so you are :-p
[10:59] <lewwy> hows about you info once, and then use the bot chat to use info
[10:59] <lewwy> wow
[10:59] <lewwy> copying under linux is super duper thrashing HDD
[10:59] <lewwy> oh and while i am here
[10:59] <lewwy> can anyone here please help me setup my tevion tv tuner card?
[11:00] <Yohnah> hi all, the hoary have k8m800 unichrome support?
[11:00] <Myrtti> hrm.
[11:01] <lewwy> so can anyone please help me setup my tv tuner?
[11:02] <Fator_Dee> lewwy: have you tried if it just works out of the box?
[11:02] <bob2> lewwy: did you find out if linux supports it?
[11:02] <lewwy> tv tuner works in winblows
[11:02] <lewwy> i am not sure if linux supports it
[11:02] <Fator_Dee> :-\
[11:02] <lewwy> its fairly new
[11:02] <tiglionabbit> !info vlc
[11:02] <tiglionabbit> yes, messaging the bot does not work at all
[11:02] <bob2> lewwy: try googling for the card name and "linux"
[11:03] <lewwy> cbf
[11:03] <tiglionabbit> when you message the bot, it says 'no idea'
[11:03] <lewwy> sif!
[11:03] <lewwy> messaging works!
[11:03] <bob2> tiglionabbit: only if you ask it about something it doesn't know about
[11:03] <lewwy> !info vlc
[11:03] <lewwy> (19:03:40) ubotu: vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB
[11:03] <athlon> how do I test whether incoming and outgoing packet through a specific port isnt blocked by my ISP ?  (other than contacting the ISP)
[11:03] <bob2> athlon: get someone to send packets to that port
[11:04] <tiglionabbit> [msg(ubotu)]  !info vlc
[11:04] <tiglionabbit> [ubotu(~blootbot@ubuntu.cc.com.au)]  Wish i knew
[11:04] <bob2> tiglionabbit: don't start it with !
[11:04] <CJ7> hey, am having a problem with resolution setting here - it seems to be stuck on 640x480...the monitor and video card are both capable of at least 1024x768, and this is also set in my xorg.conf, but it's still displaying 640x480.
[11:04] <lewwy> no need to shout
[11:04] <athlon> bob2, using "ping" command ?
[11:04] <tiglionabbit> [msg(ubotu)]  info vlc
[11:04] <tiglionabbit> [ubotu(~blootbot@ubuntu.cc.com.au)]  unfortunately, debian is disabled in my
[11:04] <tiglionabbit>           configuration
[11:04] <Danko3> lewwy: haha, he said dont start with "!"
[11:04] <lewwy> lol
[11:04] <lewwy> yeh
[11:04] <CJ7> Getting this error from the log file... "Not using mode "1024x768" No mode of this name exists" (or something like that).  Anyone got any ideas?
[11:04] <lewwy> i knew
[11:04] <Danko3> ah.
[11:04] <lewwy> just a bit of a smartass
[11:04] <Fator_Dee> what is the difference between all those terminal programs?
[11:05] <sozi> hi
[11:05] <bob2> tiglionabbit: yes, cafuego will fix it
[11:05] <Danko3> !hi sozu
[11:05] <ubotu> Danko3: Wish i knew
[11:05] <bob2> Fator_Dee: some are slower than others
[11:05] <tiglionabbit> CJ7: in your file /etc/X11/xorg.conf it has a lot of display modes.  Add it
[11:05] <bob2> Fator_Dee: and others have better default colour schemes
[11:05] <bob2> Fator_Dee: that's about it
[11:05] <CJ7> tiglionabbit, It is in there.
[11:05] <sozi> can somebody help me plz  ? :)
[11:05] <Fator_Dee> bob2: could you name a fast one for low resource machines?
[11:06] <tiglionabbit> it should have ntries for different color depths, each with a 'modes' string that has resolutions in order
[11:06] <JohnnyRotten> does anyone know how to get the experience engine on art.gnome.org to work?
[11:06] <bob2> Fator_Dee: how low?
[11:06] <Fator_Dee> bob2: 128meg ram 800mhz
[11:06] <CJ7> tiglionabbit, just a tick, I'll pastebin it, but I'm pretty sure I've got all that right...
[11:06] <JohnnyRotten> it says something like wrong version of lib6
[11:06] <Danko3> sozi: not yet, first say what you need help with.
[11:06] <Fator_Dee> bob2: the ram is the bottleneck I suppose :-p
[11:06] <JohnnyRotten>  gtk2-engines-experience depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21); however:
[11:06] <JohnnyRotten>   Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13.
[11:06] <sozi> i have problems with my printer :(
[11:07] <bob2> Fator_Dee: any will be fine
[11:07] <bob2> Fator_Dee: pterm is nice
[11:07] <bob2> JohnnyRotten: you need packages for it that work on ubuntu
[11:07] <bob2> JohnnyRotten: the ones you have do not
[11:07] <lewwy> so can anyone recommend a good tv tuner program?
[11:08] <sozi> i buyed a hp color laserjet and it works fine but
[11:08] <bob2> lewwy: did you find out if it works at all?
[11:08] <JohnnyRotten> where can i find the one i need
[11:08] <CJ7> tiglionabbit, http://pastebin.com/293176
[11:08] <CJ7> see if you can spot what I'm missing...I'm pretty sure its all ok tho...
[11:09] <Myrtti> hm
[11:09] <JohnnyRotten> also is the a program that converts .ico to png
[11:09] <sozi> the printers is unable to shut down the proces for the printed side so i must shut down by hand to print a new side
[11:09] <sozi> sry for my bad english ^^
[11:10] <bob2> JohnnyRotten: "convert" from imagemagick will probably work
[11:10] <sozi> can somebody help me ? :(
[11:10] <tiglionabbit> CJ7: um, looks set up right.  I don't know
[11:11] <CJ7> hrm....anyone else got any ideas why my res would be stuck on 640x480 when the system is capable of more?
[11:11] <tiglionabbit> JohnnyRotten: the gimp can do it
[11:11] <bob2> nvidia or i810 video chipset?
[11:11] <CJ7> bob2 a bit older than that (if you're talking to me?) SiS 5597/5598 chipset.
[11:11] <gir__> DOH! Just upgraded to breezy and now I read the topic! Fuck
[11:11] <bob2> ouch
[11:12] <tiglionabbit> you can downgrade, right?
[11:12] <bob2> no
[11:12] <gir__> and I have trouble with it..
[11:12] <gir__> I hope..
[11:12] <Choubaka> tiglionabbit: You can, but it's more of a pain than re-installing
[11:12] <Fator_Dee> bob2: yea, pterm looks nice, and it's much faster in changing between channel windows in irssi than xfterm4
[11:13] <sozi> no idea @ my printerproblem ?
[11:14] <solan> i just added a additional hdd in my Ubuntu box
[11:15] <solan> i want to format it to ext3 fs
[11:15] <solan> how can i do that?
[11:15] <Yohnah> i need to know if ubuntu hoary support k8m800 unichrome cards. somebody know about it?
[11:16] <Tallia1> ....... a defrag tool 4 linx?
[11:17] <Fator_Dee> Tallia1: you don't need onw
[11:18] <Fator_Dee> one
[11:18] <Danko3> solan do sudo fdisk -l and tell me which /dev/hdX the new hd is.
[11:18] <floater_> wodup! How do I scroll up in console ?
[11:18] <Tallia1> i need one for the fat32 partition
[11:18] <Danko3> ha, you dont, actually, floater_.
[11:18] <Danko3> floater_: try using command | more that may be what you want to do.
[11:19] <gir__> Choubaka: so, you recommend a re-install? I don't feel like start all over =/
[11:19] <floater_> Danko3: hmm how do I use it exactly
[11:19] <Choubaka> gir__: Yes, I do recommend a re-install
[11:19] <Danko3> floater_: what command are you running exactly?
[11:19] <tiglionabbit> floater_: shift-pageup
[11:19] <floater_> let's say if I ls a directory with millions of files
[11:19] <john123123123> how can i change the privlages
[11:19] <gir__> damn..
[11:19] <Choubaka> gir__: downgrading is a PITA
[11:20] <Danko3> tiglionabbit: nice.
[11:20] <floater_> I am running kubuntu without x window interface. Just in console. Then I would like to know an alternative file editing program for 'vi'
[11:20] <john123123123> keeps asking me to be the owner dont know how to do that please help
[11:21] <Danko3> nano, pico, others, floater_.
[11:21] <tiglionabbit> floater_: shift-pageup.  But a better idea is ls | less to browse it in 'less'.  Then you can use the arrow keys, and hit q to quit
[11:21] <marcel_> Help! GTK1 apps have big fonts and i need to get them smaller. I used gtk-theme-switch, to no avail
[11:21] <floater_> Which one comes with ubuntu and has simplest configuration for keys? pico?
[11:21] <gir__> Choubaka: I see..
[11:21] <Danko3> they all come, afaik.
[11:21] <floater_> tiglionabbit: ok
[11:22] <tiglionabbit> floater_: pico or nano are simple.  I like emacs best though, but it takes learning
[11:22] <Fator_Dee> floater_: nano is easy to learn
[11:22] <tiglionabbit> pico and nano are clones of eachother, so it probably doesn't matter which you use
[11:22] <floater_> oki. I don't have internet connection on the machine, but I take it that nano and pico comes with the installation
[11:23] <Fator_Dee> yea
[11:23] <floater_> alrighty. What else I was about to ask hmm..
[11:23] <tiglionabbit> ask anything.  A will to learn the terminal is always good in *nix land
[11:24] <floater_> Yea, wonder if there's some good website that introduce some 'most common' commands and 'good to know' commands that I could print out. At least I think reading some log files are good if some problems occur. Like one was 'tail /var/log/messages/ or something
[11:24] <Tallia1> once i use CUPS as preferred printing server can i disinstall the others?
[11:24] <floater_> to print out the last lines of that
[11:25] <tiglionabbit> http://dsl.org/cookbook/cookbook_toc.html
[11:25] <Tallia1> or i'll nedd em?
[11:25] <Tallia1> need*
[11:27] <floater_> oohh, nice nice, I'll try save this whole page, thanks
[11:27] <john123123123> keeps asking me to be the owner dont know how to do that please help
[11:27] <Srng> you see, I know it sounds lame, but I've a problem with my homework :]  I've googled, I've tried everything I could think of but still couldn't work it out
[11:28] <Srng> the question is
[11:28] <Fator_Dee> john123123123: care to elaborate your current situation?
[11:28] <dbernar1_> john123123123, which files/directorues, and so on.
[11:28] <tiglionabbit> floater_: why not just save the url?
[11:28] <Srng> how can i echo 1st and 5th column of the /etc/passwd and sort it by the 5th column?
[11:28] <john123123123> fond a site that said to edit the config file for my wireless  pcmcia card
[11:29] <MobyTurbo> Srng, use awk
[11:29] <bob2> Srng: awk or cut, and sort -k
[11:29] <john123123123> and i tried and keeps saying the owner needs to
[11:29] <Srng> the first part's easy with cut
[11:29] <tiglionabbit> he probable needs the rootsudo wiki
[11:29] <tiglionabbit> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.com/RootSudo john
[11:29] <tiglionabbit> oops
[11:29] <tiglionabbit> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:30] <Gog> anyone else having problems with firefox since the last update?
[11:30] <tiglionabbit> not I
[11:30] <Srng> Thanks guys missed this option in man :):)
[11:30] <Gog> hmm, ok ta
[11:30] <MobyTurbo> Gog, after a Firefox update make sure to exit it and restart.
[11:30] <Fator_Dee> john123123123: did you remember to use sudo?
[11:31] <MobyTurbo> s/restart/restart it/
[11:31] <Gog> MobyTurbo: nod. unfortunately it's still seems to have xml errors doing various things
[11:31] <floater_> I don't have access to the internet on the machine for couple weeks. I just gotta burn it on cd and move it to the machine :j  Maybe not the most interesting thing to wander around in linux console without internet, but I'll try learn before I get this new connection to the machine. Then I need to start apt-getting :X
[11:32] <tiglionabbit> k.  Someone teach floater_ wget
[11:32] <MobyTurbo> Gog, it works here(tm)
[11:32] <floater_> I have used wget before :X just installing the windows port :j
[11:32] <tiglionabbit> ah
[11:32] <floater_> I hopefully remember it
[11:32] <floater_> it been long since I did it. I tried linux some years ago for a little while
[11:33] <tiglionabbit> ubuntu is a fun distro.  I hope you enjoy it
[11:33] <Gog> Moby hohum, maybe it'll sort itself next time :)
[11:33] <floater_> at least I need recursive and then few sublinks to determine I think
[11:33] <cshobe> So what are the highlights of Ubuntu?
[11:33] <tiglionabbit> best as a graphical desktop though
[11:33] <floater_> levels
[11:33] <floater_> ok
[11:33] <Razor-X> what's a good price for a Kinkos print of about 200 pages?
[11:33] <refuze2looze> i'm trying to connect to the internet with a cable modem connceted via USB. right now i'm connected with a router attached to the modem. i plugged in the modem and it appears correctly in device manager, but when i go to network settings and i try to configure it makes me enter phone number, etc. like it thinks it's a dialup modem. how can i configure it to be a cable modem?
[11:33] <Razor-X> using pages front and back
[11:34] <tiglionabbit> cshobe: it works, you can install software without screwing things up, most things are configurable through gui, and it's nice to its users.  It answers a lot of questions for you too
[11:34] <Razor-X> so, that would be 100 pages of paper, and 200 pages of ink
[11:34] <cshobe> tiglionabbit: meh.  What sort of packages?
[11:34] <tiglionabbit> ...save the trees!  Use the internet!
[11:34] <Razor-X> cshobe: it's a nice, light distro, that fits a lot of good things on a cd
[11:34] <tiglionabbit> cshobe: it uses apt.  deb packages
[11:35] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: in my mind, ebooks will never replace print
[11:35] <tiglionabbit> css3.0 will
[11:35] <tiglionabbit> I bet
[11:35] <Razor-X> and second of all, staring at a Calculus book for that long will make your eyes go hollow
[11:35] <Razor-X> hell no
[11:35] <dbernar1_> refuze2looze, from what you said, I think you are doing something wrong, please stay long enough for me to type it out.
[11:35] <Razor-X> I prefer my eyes to stay at the level of power they are now ;)
[11:35] <Razor-X> and trees shmeez
[11:35] <refuze2looze> dbernar1_: k, thanks
[11:35] <Razor-X> I hope trees worldwide burn
[11:35] <Razor-X> they give me hellish allergies
[11:36] <dbernar1_> refuze2looze, actually I dont have a long typ...ok, well, is the router connected to the computer, or the modem, or both
[11:36] <refuze2looze> dbernar1_: both
[11:36] <dbernar1_> ok, that is likely your problem, is the router connected to the modem?
[11:36] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: they also convert carbon dioxide to oxygen which is essential for mammals to live
[11:37] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: yeah, and we can make energy from blasting neutrons at unstable plutonium nucleii
[11:37] <refuze2looze> dbernar1_: yes the router is connceted to the modem. but i had the same setup on another box that was running ubuntu that was installed with the modem connected and then was able to switch between using modem and router (while all the other computers were connected to the internet through the router)
[11:37] <cshobe> ok, cheers for the info (I'm mainly interested in server-oriented distributions, but kept seeing ubuntu mentioned by people in the gentoo channel)
[11:37] <Razor-X> I don't think it'ld be that hard to keep a limited set of trees and produce carbon dioxide from that
[11:37] <bob2> cshobe: it's an excellent server operating system
[11:38] <Razor-X> refuze2looze: is the router connected to the computer via ethernet?
[11:38] <geetergod> what was that chat?
[11:38] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: WE produce the CO2.  THEY make the O2
[11:38] <geetergod> cerega?
[11:38] <refuze2looze> Razor-X: yeah. and the modem through usb
[11:38] <Fator_Dee> geetergod: cedega?
[11:38] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: errr, yeah, my bad
[11:38] <geetergod> that too
[11:38] <cshobe> bob2: how so, and why?
[11:38] <bob2> cshobe: six month release cycle, 18 months support
[11:38] <Razor-X> refuze2looze: why not by a USB->Ethernet converter, and run that through your router?
[11:39] <bob2> cshobe: it stays up to date, but you don't have to follow it immediately
[11:39] <Razor-X> it'll mean much better compatibility for any OS or any computer for that matter
[11:39] <dbernar1_> refuze2looze, please read the manual of your modem to see if you are supposed to use both at the same time, I have not heard of this yet. btw, do you have 2, or 1 IP assigned from your ISP?
[11:39] <bob2> cshobe: (if you want more than 18 months of support, it's available for-pay from canonical and other people)
[11:39] <tiglionabbit> the easies way to win SimCity is to plant a lot of trees.  I was able to get the people in my city to like me so much, they had a parade in my honor every day!
[11:39] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: don't make me quote the respiration/photosynthesis formulas ;)
[11:39] <tiglionabbit> er, sim city 2000
[11:40] <Razor-X> regardless, how much would it eb?
[11:40] <Razor-X> *be
[11:40] <Razor-X> I like the feel of print books, plus, too long at the computer reading something makes my eyes sore
[11:40] <tiglionabbit> why are you asking a kinkos question in an ubuntu channel, razor-x?
[11:40] <Razor-X> and the trees can use some more cutting, they aren't dying any time soon
[11:41] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: because, people here otta have experience with that kind of stuff, at least some people, plus, I don't think there's a #kinkos
[11:41] <zoddan> im having problems with my ubuntu on my laptop
[11:41] <bob2> best to just aks
[11:41] <tiglionabbit> what sort of problems, zoddan?
[11:41] <zoddan> when i loginto gnome and after it has loaded everything it loocks up
[11:42] <zoddan> i dont get any icons or menus
[11:42] <tiglionabbit> that doesn't sound good
[11:42] <dbernar1_> zoddan, have you added anything to the sttartup, by any chance?
[11:42] <zoddan> i got it to work about 10min yeterday and then it loocka again
[11:42] <zoddan> dbernar1_: no
[11:43] <Seveas> zoddan, try booting with acpi=off
[11:43] <zoddan> Seveas: by battery stat and Fn buttons wont work then
[11:44] <dbernar1_> refuze2looze, so, one or two IPs from your ISP, do you know?
[11:45] <zoddan> Seveas: how do i change to command line at boot ?
[11:45] <tiglionabbit> zoddan: ubuntu opens 6 virtual terminals for textmode you can get to by holding control-alt and hitting an F key 1 - 6
[11:46] <tiglionabbit> 7 to get back to X
[11:46] <zoddan> i said at boot
[11:46] <Seveas> zoddan, you can hit a key to get a grub shell
[11:46] <zoddan> not in X
[11:46] <ticktoc> this sucks...  could NOT get on internet anyway at all....   not wvdial, not pon, not gppon so finally installed kppp and not it only works for root... my other user logs into the internet but can't get any packets out..  almost like being behind a firewall ...  what the 'f' is up??  I've been at the for 4 hours now
[11:46] <tiglionabbit> oh, from grub?
[11:46] <Seveas> or even edit the entry
[11:46] <zoddan> Seveas: i dont use grub
[11:46] <Seveas> zoddan, then i don't know
[11:46] <tiglionabbit> what do you use?
[11:46] <zoddan> lilo
[11:46] <zoddan> lol
[11:46] <bellemoth> hi
[11:46] <bellemoth> everybody
[11:47] <bob2> ticktoc: er, are you sure the connection comes up at all for the other user?
[11:47] <zoddan> talk about incompetens :P
[11:47] <refuze2looze> okay, i got disconnected there for some reason but i think i figured it out, thanks
[11:47] <dbernar1_> welcome.
[11:48] <tiglionabbit> zoddan: if you're going to insult us, spell it right.  And we don't know everything.
[11:48] <ticktoc> bob2... absolutly..  tail -f /var/log/syslog and alls well with the connection
[11:48] <refuze2looze> i forgot i did have a dialup modem connected to my computer, doh,, and the usb modem was listed as eth1 and i configured it with the settings from my router.. can i make it auto-detect though? the ip address, etc
[11:48] <bob2> ticktoc: and when the user connects, root can ping things/etc?
[11:49] <ticktoc> root can do ANYTHING...  but regular user is just like behind firewall..
[11:49] <bob2> that's bizarre
[11:49] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: it spells that way in my way, well lilo is common use, so
[11:49] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: not know lilo is like not known what a "kernel" is :P
[11:50] <zoddan> and grub cant handle fullscreen splash
[11:50] <tiglionabbit> zoddan: not necessarily.  Many people prefer grub
[11:50] <ticktoc> other methods dont' work for any user..  get pppd error (2)
[11:50] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: i dont know anyone that uses grub
[11:50] <bob2> ticktoc: show us the full error (in #flood)
[11:50] <tiglionabbit> zoddan: that's not true.  I just set one today
[11:50] <ticktoc> the wvdial error?
[11:50] <monteiro> my ubuntu uses swap, it was not suppose too because i've enough free ram, is that normal , ubuntu uses swap all the time ?
[11:51] <r0d_> zoddan, grub is more secure
[11:51] <bob2> ticktoc: the one from your logs
[11:51] <bob2> monteiro: yes
[11:51] <zoddan> r0d: show me
[11:51] <MobyTurbo> zoddan, grub is more foolproof
[11:51] <r0d_> zoddan, alittle hard......
[11:51] <r0d_> zoddan, i'm kinda not by you...
[11:51] <zoddan> foolproof ?
[11:51] <r0d_> zoddan, google it, youll see
[11:51] <dbernar1_> zoddan, well, now you know a whole disttro that does.
[11:51] <tiglionabbit> zoddan: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30341
[11:52] <r0d_> zoddan, doesnt matter to me if you dont believe it. i know because i've tested lilo security
[11:52] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: what tha hell is ".xpm.gz" ?
[11:52] <zoddan> im using .bpm in lilo
[11:52] <MobyTurbo> zoddan, you don't have to re-run grub after a kernel change, even if the configuration files are wrong you can boot via grub command line.
[11:52] <tiglionabbit> zoddan: that would be the gimp's native format, gzipped
[11:52] <zoddan> and damn so mutch work you have to do in grub
[11:52] <zoddan> it took me like 3sek to do it in lilo
[11:53] <zoddan> and all i had to do was uncomment a line
[11:53] <tiglionabbit> took me that long for grub too
[11:53] <zoddan> right, i see that
[11:53] <tiglionabbit> pf, well then you're not adding your own image
[11:53] <zoddan> no
[11:53] <zoddan> im using debians own
[11:53] <zoddan> i like those
[11:53] <tiglionabbit> great
[11:53] <ticktoc> s??t...  no damn error in log...  WHY ME?
[11:53] <zoddan> so whats the problem ?
[11:54] <zoddan> tiglionabbit
[11:54] <tiglionabbit> the problem with your computer freezing?  How should I know?  It could be a bazillion things.
[11:54] <ticktoc> actually bob2, no error with kppp and regular user...  just no connectivity..
[11:54] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/imagens/debian-lilo.jpg
[11:54] <ticktoc> syslog looks just like when root logs in..
[11:54] <tiglionabbit> zoddan: have you tried "failsafe gnome"?  It's just a guess
[11:54] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: i have it that way and i like it
[11:55] <ticktoc> let me look at messages..
[11:55] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: yes i have, it works but i cant do anything more than use the console
[11:55] <baffle> Oh, don't use breezy? I've used it since Hoary came out. :)
[11:55] <cshobe> bob2: so support is the primary advantage?
[11:55] <tiglionabbit> how badly does it freeze up when it does?
[11:55] <baffle> And had lots of fun getting X to work today. :)
[11:55] <cshobe> bob2: I don't care about support, personally ;-)
[11:55] <cshobe> bob2: IRC is my support :P
[11:55] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: total
[11:55] <tiglionabbit> you can't even switch virtual terminals?
[11:55] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: cant do anything so i have to use the reset button
[11:56] <tiglionabbit> can't even hit the panic button?  (control-alt-backspace)
[11:56] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: no
[11:56] <johnnybe1ak> hey guys
[11:56] <tiglionabbit> found any pattern for causing it?
[11:56] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: i said i cant do anything i have to use the reset button
[11:56] <bob2> cshobe: support = bug fixes and security fixes
[11:57] <tiglionabbit> do you have any weird peripherals plugged in?
[11:57] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: no, just my wlan card but i have tried to boot without it
[11:57] <zoddan> or loginto gnome
[11:58] <tiglionabbit> have you tried `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade` from the console?
[11:59] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: no
[11:59] <zoddan> i have 192
[11:59] <tiglionabbit> mb?
[11:59] <zoddan> it workt when i have installed it
[11:59] <nimbuz> my sound works fine in root but when i try to play it in a normal user it doesnt work, have I not got the correct permissions?
[11:59] <zoddan> and then i upgraded to 686 kernel
[11:59] <tiglionabbit> zordan: when did you install it, and when did the problem emerge?
[12:00] <tiglionabbit> you could have told us that
[12:00] <tiglionabbit> tried booting the older kernel?
[12:00] <zoddan> i think thats when i got the problems, but when i boot with the 386 kernel i get the same problem anyway
[12:00] <carsten> Moin. DId anyone try to compile kdelibs (for KDE 4 with Qt4) on ubuntu/kubuntu? It doesn't link here
[12:00] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: 192MB yes
[12:00] <MobyTurbo> zoddan, have you tried running memtest?
[12:01] <zoddan> MobyTurbo: nothing wrong with my RAM, windows xp sp2 is running smooth
[12:01] <dbernar1_> tiglionabbit, know how to register and identify with NickServ?
[12:01] <tiglionabbit> yes
[12:02] <dbernar1_> go ahead, please.
[12:02] <tiglionabbit> um, I already have
[12:02] <dbernar1_> um, gop ahead and tell me...?
[12:02] <tiglionabbit> oh, okay
[12:02] <tiglionabbit> first get the nick you want, using /nick and the name you want to change to
[12:02] <tiglionabbit> then say /msg nickserv register and a password you want to use for it
[12:03] <zoddan> well i have ti go talk to you later
[12:03] <zoddan> to
[12:03] <zoddan> cya, thanks for the help anyway
[12:03] <tiglionabbit> when you login later, say /msg nickserv identify and that password
[12:03] <floater_> tiglionabbit: there is some problems with the user-agent on that cookbook website. I tried wget -r -x -l4 -N -U blaa http://dsl.org/cookbook/cookbook_toc.html but it doesn't work
[12:04] <floater_> without -U it sends me a robot.txt that says disallowing user-agent
[12:04] <tiglionabbit> there are a lot of other commands you can use.  /msg nickserv help for more information.  You could start a query (/q) with nickserv to make this easier
[12:04] <tiglionabbit> floater_: oh.  wget respects anti-robots.  Guess they came prepared
[12:05] <dabaslon> tiglionabbit, thank you, I am registered now.
[12:05] <tiglionabbit> cool
[12:05] <tiglionabbit> you can link names together.  Go read the help thing on that
[12:06] <floater_> I can't download that website in anyway then?
[12:06] <dabaslon> thanks, this is all I needed for now:)
[12:07] <dabaslon> ubotu cough
[12:07] <dabaslon> thank you, ubotu.
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> ubotu dance
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> cool
[12:08] <Fator_Dee> :-|
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> ubotu dpkg
[12:09] <bigfoot> I'm using Xchat. On the server list, I pressed the "Sort" button, but I'm not happy with the alphabetical order. How do I put the servers in my own particular order?
[12:09] <tiglionabbit> oo, an old ebook I still have.  nick-zap.home.comcast.net/stuff/unix.pdf  floater_: this is helpful
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> ubotu spin
[12:10] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: I don't know, could you explain it?
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> ubotu eat
[12:10] <dabaslon> ubotu welcome
[12:10] <ubotu> Thank you, dabaslon.
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> whoa
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> um..   ubotu drink ?
[12:11] <dabaslon> ubotu thank you
[12:11] <ubotu> dabaslon: de nada
[12:11] <grandepuffo> hey...
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> ubotu drink
[12:11] <ubotu> *SLUUUUURP* *SLUUUUURP* some kawfee
[12:11] <grandepuffo> pleeze
[12:11] <grandepuffo> pleeze
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> um, what was that?
[12:11] <floater_> tiglionabbit do you know some other website like cookbook or other method do download that website? :S
[12:12] <tiglionabbit> nope
[12:12] <floater_> okiz
[12:12] <tiglionabbit> search soulseek or limewire for ebooks or something
[12:12] <tiglionabbit> or go to tha book store
[12:12] <floater_> :) thanks
[12:13] <dabaslon> ubotu, Thanks.
[12:13] <ubotu> dabaslon: no worries
[12:14] <tiglionabbit> ubotu eat pizza
[12:14] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: I don't know, could you explain it?
[12:15] <smith> pizza hot
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> ubotu xyzzy
[12:15] <bob2> best to just not play wit hthe bot
[12:15] <bob2> lest it be removed
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> oo I like that one!
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> aw, the bot is fun
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> ubotu plough
[12:15] <ubotu> No idea, tiglionabbit
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> aw
[12:15] <smith> me?
[12:15] <tcom> hey gang.. just a quick question from me. I need to connect to a M$ VPN can this be done easily with Ubuntu? Out of the box?
[12:16] <bigfoot> Hi all: i got a media file without an extension. How do I open this file?
[12:16] <tiglionabbit> uh, samba configures pretty well for browsing windows shared networks..
[12:16] <tiglionabbit> I don't know much about vpn though
[12:16] <bob2> tcom: yeah, but it's fiddly to setup
[12:16] <bob2> bigfoot: ask whoever gave it to you what file type it is
[12:16] <smith> tcom-_- you *would* not make it
[12:17] <bob2> bigfoot: or just run mplayer on it
[12:17] <tcom> bob2 thats what I thought
[12:17] <pagio> hi, why can't a normal user run Gnome? GMD loads, but then gnome exits and sais that the session ended less in 10seconds...and something about permisions i think. what should i do
[12:17] <tcom> i've had troubles with gentoo and VPNs
[12:17] <bob2> tcom: pptp.sf.net has a debian howto that should work, yeah
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: type `file` and thename of the file.  It's called "magic"
[12:17] <bob2> tcom: vpns in generaly are easy, ms's in particular is annoying
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> that will tell you what format it is
[12:17] <bob2> pagio: what have you changed since the last time it worked?
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> er, what type of file it thinks it is, using magic
[12:18] <thenuke> should I install VNC to my windows box and to linux box for doing some remote administration with the x-window
[12:18] <pagio> bob2 no
[12:18] <pagio> nothing i mean
[12:18] <bob2> pagio: you've changed nothing at all?
[12:18] <bob2> not installed new packages?
[12:18] <bob2> not edited a config file?
[12:18] <pagio> nop
[12:18] <pagio> nop
[12:18] <pagio> this problem is from the time i installed ubuntu
[12:18] <geneo93> pagio:  delete iceaythority from home dir
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> thenuke: sure, why not?
[12:19] <pagio> thank you, i'll try
[12:19] <Srng> how can i print only those lines from the file that are 5 or 6 characters long?
[12:19] <tcom> bob2.. thanks.. i'll keep searching. might try a live cd with VPN ??
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: that magic working for you?
[12:19] <thenuke> tiglionabbit: Just thought if there would be some better ones around :) I have never used VNC or anything like that
[12:19] <bob2> pagio: ah, so you ran k3b as root?
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> thenuke: I used it recently.  It's quite impressive, and easy to use
[12:19] <bob2> tcom: I don't see how that would help...reading the guide I pointed you at will help you to set it up
[12:20] <we2by> any one has vmware running with sound?
[12:20] <tiglionabbit> say, is there a java client for vnc around?  one that runs in a web browser?
[12:20] <Srng> tried grep but without much success
[12:21] <goliat> hello guys
[12:21] <goliat> does anyone use ubuntu and know how to write arabic in word
[12:22] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, yes. thanks. "file" says that it's "MS-DOS executable (EXE), OS/2 or MS Windows." I'm scared of adding .exe to the filename and doubleclicking it. Won't there be a danger of a virus or soemething?
[12:22] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: linux doesn't run exes
[12:22] <tiglionabbit> Srng: lemme try and make a regular expression for that
[12:23] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, isn't a program called Wine what one uses to run Windows stuff?
[12:23] <tiglionabbit> oh, that's true, yes
[12:24] <tiglionabbit> but clicking on it won't do that
[12:24] <bigfoot> is there a danger though of running the exe file in linux? could it harm my system, infecting a virus?
[12:24] <bigfoot> How do i use Wine? i've never had to use windows stuff on my ubuntu pc before?
[12:24] <Fator_Dee> bigfoot: wine runs all exes on their on little sandboxes
[12:25] <Fator_Dee> bigfoot: there are some guys that have tried to run virii on winem they didn't have any effect :-)
[12:25] <bob2> well
[12:25] <tiglionabbit> Srng: does this one work?  "^.{0,5}$"
[12:25] <bob2> it could potentially damage your system
[12:25] <bob2> delete files, etc
[12:25] <bob2> depending on how it is configured
[12:25] <bigfoot> Fator_Dee, good to hear, so i guess i can get wine via synaptic...?
[12:25] <Fator_Dee> but all executables could be potentially harmful
[12:26] <bob2> don't run untrusted windows code on linux
[12:26] <Gog> is there a recommended way to upgrade firefox beyond the rather old ubuntu version?
[12:26] <Fator_Dee> it doesn't take a much of a shell script to delete all your files :-\
[12:26] <bob2> Gog: rather old? it came out < 2 months ago!
[12:26] <Gog> 1.0.2 ?
[12:26] <Srng> tiglionabbit, I'll check in a minute, I've come up with something like "^.\{5\}\|.\{6\}$"
[12:26] <Fator_Dee> it has all the security updates
[12:26] <geneo93> if you want to run a virus use windows please
[12:26] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, i'm so silly. You know what? I didn't have to run that file command. I could just find out what kind of file it is by selecting the file in Nautilus then File-> Properties!
[12:27] <bob2> Gog: you know it has all the security fixes from 1.0.3 and 1.0.4, right?
[12:27] <Gog> bob2: it's too old to use any standard way of installing extensions, and mine is completely unsuable since the last ubuntu update
[12:27] <Gog> ah, no I didn't
[12:27] <bob2> Gog: please file a bug if it's "unusable" in any sense other than "can't install new extensions"
[12:27] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: yeah, the guis are smart too!  But now you know the commandline equivalent
[12:27] <K_Dallas> there is also file foo.ext which would try to identify a file type
[12:27] <bob2> you can get a new tarball from www.mozilla.org, though
[12:27] <Gog> bob2: is there a away to rollback updates?
[12:27] <bob2> not easily
[12:27] <xukun> When I first installed ubuntu I could switch between open programms with the mice becouse I could see all the running programms at the bottom of my screen but that is gone now, I have to use the alt+tab to switch between programms. I hope you can make something with this becouse I dont know how else I can explain things
[12:28] <Gog> :-\
[12:28] <bigfoot> okay, then. thanks for all  your advice about running .exe on linux. I decided i won't run it. I'll just get the non .exe file, just to be safe.
[12:28] <bob2> xukun: you deleted the window list applet.  add it back.
[12:28] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, thank you for teaching me  about the "file" command.
[12:28] <bob2> xukun: right click on panel -> add applet -> window list -> add
[12:28] <K_Dallas> xukun, did you have a crash prior to this? could you right click on the bottom bar and add items . panels to it?
[12:28] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, you must be running the commandline all the time, i suppose. No gui for you?
[12:30] <K_Dallas> bigfoot: you could also try less file.ext and have a look at the first line of the file. after a while you could easily recognize many of the the files just by looking at the first few bits
[12:30] <selinium> I don't think I have ever seen this channel sooo quiet! WAKE UP! :)
[12:30] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: nah, I use the gui when it's more convenient.  I just like the freedom of being able to grab an ssh client on any computer anywhere and access features of *nix
[12:30] <tiglionabbit> it's the middle of the night in the US, selinium
[12:30] <bigfoot> selinium, where in the world are you?
[12:30] <athlon> which package do I need to install to get ipv4 traceroute ?
[12:31] <selinium> tiglionabbit: OK :) UK. I am a frequent visitor here
[12:31] <bigfoot> K_Dallas, i appreciate your tip. what's "less file.ext"?
[12:31] <bigfoot> I tried loading the huge file into Gedit, but i guess it was too much for gedit!
[12:31] <tiglionabbit> less is a commandline viewer
[12:31] <tiglionabbit> it lets you use the arrow keys to scroll up and down
[12:31] <athlon> do nevermind
[12:31] <K_Dallas> bigfoot, less prints out the content of a usually text file on the standard out but it does thesame for binary files
[12:32] <selinium> bigfoot: UK, its 11:30 in the morning
[12:32] <athlon> s/do/doh
[12:32] <K_Dallas> so usually when you do it on binary files it starts to whistle etc which is no harm :)
[12:32] <K_Dallas> there is more but more does less than less ;)
[12:32] <tiglionabbit> um, k_dallas, usually opening a binary file in less will screw up your terminal
[12:32] <bigfoot> K_Dallas, but if i run the less command on an .exe file, won't i just come up with a bunch of illegible code?
[12:32] <geneo93> 6;30 am in us east
[12:32] <K_Dallas> tiglionabbit, rarely
[12:32] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: yep
[12:33] <tiglionabbit> K_Dallas: always happens to me
[12:33] <K_Dallas> bigfoot, yes it does but you only need the first few bits
[12:33] <K_Dallas> well, sometimes to me but not always
[12:33] <Srng> tiglionabbit, i'm afraid your regexp doesnt work, but I think i see what the problem is: it should go like "^.\{5,6\}$". thanks for your help anyway. :)
[12:33] <bigfoot> K_Dallas, the first few bits will tell me what kind of file the .exe file is?
[12:33] <selinium> geneo93: having an early morning, or a late night?
[12:33] <tiglionabbit> what's the command to clean that up, btw, once the terminal text has gotten all screwed up?
[12:33] <bigfoot> okay, if it is *totally* safe to run that less command, I'll do it right now on the .exe file.
[12:33] <K_Dallas> bigfoot, yes
[12:33] <bigfoot> please confirm.
[12:34] <geneo93> latenight
[12:34] <K_Dallas> bigfoot, the worst thing that could happen is that you have to close your terminal and open another one
[12:34] <tiglionabbit> Srng: I don't know why it would take those backslashes..   but oh yeah, you wanted 5-6, not 0-5.  correct
[12:34] <selinium> genao93: Work, or insomnia? :)
[12:34] <Srng> tiglionabbit, :)
[12:35] <tiglionabbit> btw, here's a reference http://www.amk.ca/python/howto/regex/
[12:35] <bigfoot> K_Dallas, okay, if that's the worst thing that could happen, i guess that's fine. Just didn't want any .exe file sabotaging my system, deleting files, putting a virus, etc.
[12:35] <K_Dallas> i actually get more info thruy less than file :)
[12:35] <K_Dallas> that is safe
[12:35] <geneo93> just took a 2 hour nap before
[12:36] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: do not be worried about windows code.  That's like getting the flu from your dog
[12:36] <K_Dallas> there is no virus in linux, so far :)
[12:36] <Srng> tiglionabbit, thanks i'm sure it'll come in handy
[12:36] <solan> i just added a additional hdd in my Ubuntu box
[12:36] <solan> how can i do that?
[12:36] <solan> i want to format it to ext3 fs
[12:36] <solan> how can i do that?
[12:36] <Amaranth> fdisk
[12:36] <K_Dallas> solan, fdisk
[12:36] <tiglionabbit> solan: run parted, gparted, or qtparted?
[12:37] <K_Dallas> or cfdisk
[12:37] <Amaranth> or gparted
[12:37] <geneo93> tiglionabbit:  its possible with that bird flu
[12:37] <solan> thanks
[12:38] <xukun> bob2, thank a lot, yes I have th windows list panel now, but I places it also at the top panel, what I need is(like it was before) that it places the windows list panel at the bottom, and everthing else at the top
[12:38] <xukun> but it ...
[12:39] <xukun> but I,m already happy with this too
[12:39] <geneo93> xukun:  just put it at bottom in config
[12:39] <tiglionabbit> xukun: drag it?
[12:40] <xukun> geneo93, which config would that be?
[12:40] <solan> i dont understand fdisk
[12:40] <Choubaka> use gparted
[12:40] <selinium> solan: use gparted
[12:40] <xukun> tiglionabbit, that doesnt work
[12:40] <solan> i installing it now
[12:40] <tiglionabbit> xukun: you're right
[12:40] <geneo93> configure pannel
[12:40] <terrex> sb knows a command like win-defrag for ext3 ?
[12:41] <K_Dallas> from /.: Science: Too Much Homework Can Be Counterproductive [I hate to see grant money spent on something that everybody already knows ;)] 
[12:41] <bigfoot> in terminal, i did the less command, it asked me "SomeFile" may be a binary file. See it anyway?               What do i type in?
[12:41] <bob2> xukun: then add it to the bottom panel
[12:41] <bob2> bigfoot: y or n
[12:41] <K_Dallas> tyype: y
[12:41] <Hooded> Hey?
[12:41] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: that warns you, because binary files usually screw up the terminal
[12:41] <goldfish_> they do :)
[12:41] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, it does? how so?
[12:41] <K_Dallas> :)
[12:41] <geneo93> chkfs ext3
[12:41] <tiglionabbit> you'll see
[12:41] <Hooded> I'm downloading ubuntu live right now, how does it work? Is it like a preview or what?
[12:42] <K_Dallas> it makes you no more able to type normally
[12:42] <Choubaka> Hooded: yes.
[12:42] <Choubaka> Hooded: you boot it from the CD
[12:42] <xukun> bob2, hmm maybe that is the probleem becouse I only have a top panel
[12:42] <Hooded> I'm downloading ubuntu live, its not a CD
[12:42] <terrex> geneo93: thx
[12:42] <K_Dallas> Hooded, it isa CD image
[12:42] <bob2> xukun: right click on the top and select "new panel" then
[12:42] <Hooded> Well, when I download it fully and execute it what happens?
[12:43] <bob2> Hooded: nothing, you have to burn it to a cd
[12:43] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, i got the lines of the file, but, because I'm not geeky enough, i have no idea how to decipher the code. Can anybody help me decipher the first few lines of an .exe file? I can post it in #flood. Thanks.
[12:43] <Hooded> =\
[12:43] <Hooded> OKay, so I download it, burn it too a CD, load the CD then?
[12:43] <K_Dallas> bigfoot, sure
[12:43] <tiglionabbit> it was dallas who wanted you to show him that
[12:43] <bob2> Hooded: then you boot the cd, yes
[12:43] <raDeon> WHO CALLED ME
[12:43] <tiglionabbit> dallas, why did you want to know it anyway?
[12:43] <bob2> bigfoot: er, why are you looking at a .exe file?
[12:43] <tiglionabbit> raDeon: no one
[12:43] <Hooded> What do I do from there? Will it install it and fuck all my windows stuff up?
[12:44] <K_Dallas> know what?
[12:44] <bob2> Hooded: no, it's a live cd, it runs from the cd
[12:44] <raDeon> Hooded, watch the language
[12:44] <Hooded> Sorry
[12:44] <bigfoot> bob2, to see if it's what i was told it was, namely a media file.
[12:44] <bob2> bigfoot: dude
[12:44] <K_Dallas> bigfoot: all it says is that is a window executable!
[12:44] <tiglionabbit> Hooded: no, there is an option for safely resizing ntfs partitions even
[12:44] <bob2> bigfoot: run "file blah" on it, where blah is obviously the filename
[12:44] <bob2> bigfoot: if it says it's an "window executable", it is
[12:45] <Hooded> But with the live one, it will just run it as a preview and its like nothing ever happpened when I take it out?
[12:45] <bigfoot> bob2, but now i'd like to know if it's safe to run that .exe file or not.
[12:45] <xukun> bob2, thanks for your help again
[12:45] <K_Dallas> bigfoot, always try file foo first, less is when file cannot recognize the type of the file
[12:45] <tiglionabbit> Hooded: yes, but it runs from ram and will therefore be slower
[12:45] <K_Dallas> bigfoot, install a virus scanner like clamav
[12:45] <bigfoot> K_Dallas, what does foo stand for.
[12:45] <Hooded> OKay then, great
[12:45] <bob2> bigfoot: you are seriously asking people to read a windows executable, over IRC, and tell you if it's safe to run?
[12:45] <K_Dallas> foo is a dummy name
[12:45] <bigfoot> bob2, i guess i trust you guys.
[12:45] <Hooded> I've been puting off moving too linux forever but now I'm gonna do it
[12:45] <tiglionabbit> bob2: it was k_dallas's idea
[12:45] <K_Dallas> bob2, if that was that easy
[12:46] <bigfoot> Hooded, do it! do it!
[12:46] <bob2> bigfoot: no one can audit .exe files
[12:46] <Hooded> And if all goes well I will download the full version
[12:46] <K_Dallas> nah, how could i suggest that :)
[12:46] <bob2> bigfoot: just don't run it
[12:46] <bigfoot> bob2, okay.
[12:46] <tiglionabbit> Hooded: debian is the funnest distro ever.  I hope you have a good time!
[12:46] <tiglionabbit> er, ubuntu
[12:46] <bigfoot> how come you're not the operator today, bob2?
[12:46] <K_Dallas> where have you got that file anyway?
[12:46] <bob2> bigfoot: if "file" says it is a windows executable, it is
[12:46] <tiglionabbit> is
[12:46] <bob2> bigfoot: I am
[12:46] <Choubaka> tiglionabbit: :D
[12:46] <Hooded> I better close this now, its slowing the download, and thanks for the help guys, I appreciate it :D
[12:46] <tiglionabbit> but ubuntu is based on debian.
[12:46] <tiglionabbit> same difference
[12:46] <Choubaka> Debian is wonderful too.
[12:46] <tiglionabbit> I'm tired and my mind slips
[12:46] <tiglionabbit> lol
[12:46] <bigfoot> what's hooded debian?
[12:47] <Amaranth> sweet lovely working keyboard shortcuts, oh how i've missed you
[12:47] <Choubaka> But it's more for the Server sysadmins.
[12:47] <bigfoot> It's the "funniest distro"? Never heard of that sort of comment.
[12:47] <tiglionabbit> hooded is the guy, debian is what ubuntu is based on, and that was a slip
[12:47] <tiglionabbit> I said funnest!
[12:47] <bigfoot> Is being a funny distro a compliment or not?
[12:47] <Amaranth> bigfoot: The ops hide now. :)
[12:47] <tiglionabbit> not funniest
[12:47] <bigfoot> oh, funnest!
[12:47] <tiglionabbit> ...
[12:47] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, ha!
[12:47] <tiglionabbit> very sorry about that...
[12:47] <bigfoot> funner than ubuntu, tiglionabbit ?
[12:48] <tiglionabbit> I meant to say ubuntu, actually
[12:48] <Amaranth> I think he was being sarcastic.
[12:48] <Amaranth> Or not.
[12:48] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, so ubuntu is the funnest distro, is that you were saying?
[12:48] <bigfoot> and a distro called "Hooded Debian" is not fun?
[12:48] <bigfoot> I've heard of Debian, but not "Hooded Debian".
[12:48] <Choubaka> Hooded Debian!
[12:48] <bigfoot> Hi Choubaka, how's star wars?
[12:48] <Choubaka> The mystic Debian.
[12:49] <xukun> When I download something it puts in my desktop, can I change that?
[12:49] <Choubaka> bigfoot: You're mispronouncing my nickname.
[12:49] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot, hooded is the guy I was talking to..
[12:49] <Choubaka> bigfoot: I'm not the hairy one.
[12:49] <geneo93> is that like uncircumsized
[12:49] <bigfoot> bob2, what did lier do?
[12:49] <bob2> come on folks, keep it serious
[12:50] <bob2> bigfoot: claims to be a troll from yesterday, don't want to have to find out the hard way
[12:50] <Choubaka> Oh, the one who would kill you?
[12:50] <bigfoot> bob2, lier said to you "Bob2, I'm a troll"???
[12:50] <tiglionabbit> anyway, what I meant to say is, I hope 'hooded' has a good time using ubuntu
[12:50] <bob2> bigfoot: more or less
[12:50] <bob2> Choubaka: so it claims
[12:50] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, gotcha.
[12:51] <geneo93> bob2:  have a sense of homer
[12:51] <Choubaka> bob2: Heh. He's in my ignore :P
[12:51] <bigfoot> i thought Debian was trying to give themselves a sportscar feel with the "hooded" adjective, but now i now.
[12:51] <selinium> geneo93: homer? DOH!
[12:51] <bob2> geneo93: people threatening to kill me isn't funny, somehow
[12:51] <bigfoot> DOH! nuts.
[12:52] <bigfoot> bob2, do you really think he could kill you?
[12:52] <bigfoot> bob2, I agree it aint funny.
[12:52] <Choubaka> Hooded Buzz. That'll be the debian stable after Etch or whatever.
[12:52] <bob2> bigfoot: no, not at all
[12:52] <selinium> bigfoot DOH! nuts..... MMMMmmmm!
[12:53] <Choubaka> I wonder when Debian will be 4.0 :P
[12:53] <selinium> bob2: what is this about a troll? is that like a bot or something?
[12:53] <goldfish_> selinium: someone who disses stuff.
[12:53] <goldfish_> selinium: Apparantly.
[12:53] <bob2> goldfish_: er, no
[12:53] <goldfish_> hmm
[12:53] <goldfish_> k
[12:53] <bob2> selinium: it was somsone who was just being randomly abusive
[12:53] <goldfish_> hehe
[12:53] <goldfish_> Ah right.
[12:53] <geneo93> 2020 stable
[12:54] <tiglionabbit> who was it?
[12:54] <bob2> "ubuntuhater"
[12:54] <selinium> bob2: Cheers, I am still trying to build up my knowledge of TLA's and buzzwords! :)
[12:54] <bigfoot> bob2, do you work with ubuntu at work?
[12:55] <bob2> bigfoot: sort-of
[12:55] <tiglionabbit> what are TLAs?
[12:55] <bob2> three-letter-acronyms
[12:55] <bigfoot> The Last Americans.
[12:55] <selinium> tiglionabbit: Three Letter Acronyms :)
[12:55] <geneo93> what do you mean sort of
[12:55] <smith> PLA?
[12:56] <tiglionabbit> Theater of Living Arts
[12:56] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, i was just joking.
[12:56] <bigfoot> Platypus Lovers Association.
[12:56] <smith> ^-^
[12:56] <thenuke> hmmh, does some one know something about vino? vnc-server for gnome..  it is currently installed but I cant connect to that machine
[12:56] <bigfoot> Phour-letter-acronyms
[12:56] <bigfoot> 8-)
[12:56] <selinium> bigfoot: LOL
[12:56] <luxo> in vino veritas :)
[12:57] <bigfoot> oh, a Latin-oh speaker, this luxo.
[12:57] <geneo93> and even five letter acronyms
[12:57] <bigfoot> veritas is truth, but what's "vino"?
[12:57] <tiglionabbit> thenuke: go to System->preferences->remote desktop
[12:57] <mindspin> thos guys laying on the pavement?
[12:57] <luxo> wine :) there's truth in wine :)
[12:57] <bigfoot> i see.
[12:58] <nuliukas> thenuke, is vino daemon running? is it configured to accept remote connections?
[12:58] <bigfoot> what do you mean about your comment on wine (the program, and not the drink, i presume)?
[12:58] <geneo93> Wine =short-cut to gutter
[12:58] <Srng> in vino veritas :] 
[12:59] <luxo> bigfoot> nothing, just silly comment ..offtopic
[01:00] <bigfoot> does anybody here think that having the trash icon on the panel is rather, um, not useless, but hard to use? I mean, you try to drap and drop some file(s), but you don't know if the trash icon is selected...
[01:00] <bigfoot> does that make sense?
[01:00] <tiglionabbit> selected?
[01:00] <bigfoot> i mean, when your mouse (with the files for deletion) are hovering over the trash icon.
[01:01] <tiglionabbit> it's designed well enough that even if you're against the edge of the screen you'll hit it, like the show desktop button
[01:01] <tiglionabbit> I generally use the dangerous unix style "rm" to get rid of things though
[01:01] <tiglionabbit> no recovering from that
[01:02] <selinium> tiglionabbit rm -R /   does that work? :)
[01:02] <tiglionabbit> don't do that
[01:02] <psychicdragon> it is kinda wierd that it doesn't shine like the launchers do though
[01:02] <tiglionabbit> yeah, it is
[01:02] <psychicdragon> when you mouse over that is
[01:02] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, you're right. I guess I just had to wait a little longer to see the file removed into the trash.
[01:03] <bigfoot> psychicdragon, you talking about the trash icon, right?
[01:03] <psychicdragon> yes
[01:03] <sijp> hey people, just one small OT question that bothers me today.... wasn't sarge should have been release two days ago?
[01:03] <selinium> tiglionabbit: On mouseover , it would be better if it changed slightly.
[01:04] <psychicdragon> june 6, i think i saw on slashdot
[01:04] <K_Dallas> sijp, on the 6th
[01:04] <sijp> oh... ok, I guess it was a not updated page
[01:04] <sijp> thnx
[01:04] <sijp> :P
[01:05] <bob2> sijp: it's been delayed
[01:05] <bob2> I wouldn't believe any planned release date, just wait for the release announcement
[01:05] <sijp> ok, got it
[01:06] <sijp> thanks again
[01:06] <bigfoot> after ripping your dvd, what do you use to play the files on your hard drive, the ones that have extensions .bup .ifo and .vob?
[01:06] <bob2> you'd want to convert it to a useful format
[01:06] <K_Dallas> bigfoot, mplayer, xine
[01:06] <goldfish_> vlc is good too
[01:06] <tiglionabbit> use vlc!  it's awesome
[01:07] <bigfoot> with VLC, i have to drag and drop the folder  onto VLC, but how so with mplayer and xine?
[01:07] <tiglionabbit> you'll still need one of the others around for certain formats though
[01:07] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, is vlc better than mplayer and xine? Better for all types of files, or just .vob/ifo/bup files?
[01:07] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: gmplayer has a little "..." on the left on the skin thing.  Click on that
[01:07] <K_Dallas> better does not make sense, try them and see what pleases you
[01:08] <K_Dallas> right now there are windows version of both vlc and mplayer but to me mplayer is what i need
[01:08] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: Yeah, it seems a lot better.  But I think there are quite a few formats you'll still need mplayer for
[01:09] <K_Dallas> tiglionabbit, does vlc allow dumpstream?
[01:09] <tiglionabbit> mplayer doesn't sync my sound up right, and has some weird behaviors in it.
[01:09] <K_Dallas> never used it
[01:09] <tiglionabbit> dumpstream?
[01:09] <tiglionabbit> K_Dallas: go dowload it.  It's worth your time
[01:09] <K_Dallas> you know watching online TV and saving it?
[01:09] <tiglionabbit> umm..  how do you do that?
[01:09] <K_Dallas> i am pretty happy with mplayer thanks
[01:10] <K_Dallas> mplayer does that for video or audio
[01:10] <tiglionabbit> I asked how
[01:10] <K_Dallas> flag: -dumpstream
[01:10] <tiglionabbit> no I mean...  ...   how do I do it?
[01:10] <K_Dallas> or -dumpaudio -dumpvideo
[01:10] <tiglionabbit> where do I get these TV shows and such?
[01:10] <K_Dallas> lol
[01:11] <K_Dallas> online TVs are not really worth looking for unless you look for something that you cannot get on the cable or from sayellite
[01:11] <K_Dallas> which is my case
[01:11] <tiglionabbit> o
[01:11] <tiglionabbit> or if you don't have a TV
[01:11] <tiglionabbit> like me
[01:11] <K_Dallas> still you could record online radios, programs that you do not want to miss
[01:11] <K_Dallas> lol
[01:11] <tiglionabbit> not that I need one
[01:12] <tiglionabbit> actually, that would be a large improvement.  My family's VCR really really sucks
[01:12] <tiglionabbit> if I could get a computer to record their shows for them, they'd love that
[01:12] <K_Dallas> tiglionabbit, most american TV shows are not available thru torrent or P2P networks
[01:13] <tiglionabbit> oh, you mean torrent?  Um, why wouldn't vlc be able to play something you've already torrented?  I don't understand the difference here
[01:13] <Amaranth> Please don't discuss illegal activities.
[01:14] <tiglionabbit> torrenting TV isn't illegal, is it?
[01:14] <thenuke> why it would not be
[01:14] <tiglionabbit> I mean, if it was, so would TiVo
[01:14] <Choubaka> nah.
[01:14] <thenuke> tivo is like VCR and such :D
[01:14] <Choubaka> TiVo is different.
[01:15] <DarkraD-> hello
[01:15] <thenuke> it's not like grabbing shows from p2p
[01:15] <DarkraD-> is there a link to download ubuntu dvd?
[01:15] <DarkraD-> the torrent one sux
[01:15] <Choubaka> The guys distributing the shows on p2p do not have licence to do so.
[01:15] <DarkraD-> and the one on cdimage is corrupted
[01:15] <DarkraD-> it's an empty image
[01:15] <Choubaka> it's still not illegal to download them where I live though
[01:16] <DarkraD-> u download it in a sec, since it's empty image
[01:16] <tiglionabbit> um, why do you need a licence to distribute TV?
[01:16] <tiglionabbit> how is it different from taping something and distributing the tapes?
[01:16] <DarkraD-> anybody know?
[01:17] <tiglionabbit> I never heard of that being illegal.  TV doesn't have those government DO NOT REPRODUCE warnings on it
[01:17] <tiglionabbit> DarkraD-: um, I just waited for the torrent
[01:17] <psychicdragon> a lot of the tv shows on net are rips of dvds, which do
[01:17] <tiglionabbit> hm
[01:17] <DarkraD-> possible that it's nowhere ?! =\
[01:17] <Choubaka> tiglionabbit: it's large-scale.
[01:17] <tiglionabbit> do they release the dvds before the actual show then?  Because there are a lot of shows that come out on the net shortly after they're shown on TV
[01:17] <DarkraD-> i downloaded the cd, but it has not my langiuage package
[01:18] <selinium> Has anyone here use the Zend Optimizer on a webserver?
[01:18] <DarkraD-> plus i can't set more than 640x480 =\
[01:18] <tiglionabbit> =[
[01:18] <tiglionabbit> it makes me sad when people have problems with ubuntu, because I love it so
[01:19] <DarkraD-> can be possible that dvd package had the package i need for my video card?
[01:19] <DarkraD-> it's a geforce
[01:19] <DarkraD-> so quite common
[01:19] <DarkraD-> possible that can't be set more than 640 480
[01:20] <DarkraD-> i can choose 320 x ___
[01:20] <DarkraD-> =\
[01:20] <tiglionabbit> DarkraD-: you probably need to download the drivers from nvidia's website
[01:20] <Fator_Dee> DarkraD-: your screen resolutions are way too low? is that the prob?
[01:20] <bigfoot> how do i remove  the the suggested applications to load a particular type of file? (In the mouse context menu)?
[01:21] <psychicdragon> DarkraD: see this: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[01:22] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: right-click, Open With Other Appliation.  Just like windows...
[01:22] <tiglionabbit> or you can...
[01:22] <DarkraD-> k will see thx
[01:22] <psychicdragon> np
[01:22] <Fator_Dee> DarkraD-: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto you could try that also
[01:22] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, i know that. my question is, after I select that "other application," that application is now on the suggested list in the context menu...
[01:23] <bigfoot> oh, i realized i didn't state my thing in a question form, but you understand 8-)
[01:23] <tiglionabbit> oh.  Right-click and go to properties.  There's an Opens With tab with add/remove buttons on it
[01:24] <thenuke> umm humm.. Is it possible to use this VNC(VINO) so that it does not takeover desktop of the user who is currently logged in?
[01:24] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, thanks!
[01:24] <tiglionabbit> you're welcome
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> thenuke: well it would have to take over somebody's desktop, right?  You probably want a different feature, like a remote login...  I don't know how to do that
[01:25] <thenuke> tiglionabbit: okey then. I wonder if there is such client for windows :)
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> you can do an Appliations->System Tools-> New Login to get another window manager up in a virtual terminal (#8) and perhaps it would use that one instead
[01:25] <dave> hi, is it ok to ask n00b questions here?
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> yes
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> we're all human beings here, right?
[01:26] <K_Dallas> nah, some are bots
[01:26] <tiglionabbit> lol, true
[01:26] <Fator_Dee> thenuke: do you mean the vnc server that comes with ubuntu? that remote desktop?
[01:26] <thenuke> tiglionabbit: wellh, I would need to be able to do that remotely
[01:26] <thenuke> Fator_Dee: yes
[01:26] <selinium> I have downloaded the zend optimizer for PHP, it say to run ./install.sh but it doesn't do anything. the file is a tar.gz... What do i do?
[01:26] <dave> i just wacked my /etc/modules file -- no backup -- is there one on the install cd that i could throw in so i don't get a kernel panic on reboot (at least that's what i expect would happen)
[01:26] <Fator_Dee> thenuke: you can change it from the server properties if you want others to be able to take over your desktop
[01:27] <tiglionabbit> yeah..  There are some other remote desktop applications, some come with kubuntu.  I'd have to test em out, thenuke.  I know if you use cygwin you can run an X session remotely though
[01:27] <Fator_Dee> thenuke: and you can set a password for it
[01:27] <goldfish_> selinium: u have untarred it, yes?
[01:27] <floater_> how do I remove glide from the module list? I can't run x because it fails to load module glide
[01:27] <wdh> floater_, sudo dpkg-reconfiger xserver-xorg
[01:27] <thenuke> Fator_Dee: umm.. I dont want to disable the remote connections :P
[01:27] <bigfoot> now related to that, you know when you go to the "Other Applications" window? Well, when you start typing, it does a search in the list of programs. But somehow it's not working well.For example, when I type "vim," what gets selected is VLC for GTK+   . Is this a bug in Hoary?
[01:27] <tiglionabbit> fator-dee: what he wants is to be able to call a login (gdm) remotely
[01:27] <wdh> last menu iirc
[01:27] <thenuke> Fator_Dee: I just would like to be able to log in remotely
[01:27] <selinium> goldfish_ nope.... Very new to this kind of thing, wasn't sure where to untar it to.
[01:27] <thenuke> Into the X I mean
[01:27] <Fator_Dee> tiglionabbit: aah
[01:27] <goldfish_> selinium: no problemo.
[01:28] <goldfish_> selinium: tar xvzf blah.tar.gz
[01:28] <tiglionabbit> dave: when you said n00b questions, I didn't know you meant that!
[01:28] <dave> hehe
[01:28] <wdh> floater_, 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' that is
[01:28] <psychicdragon> selinium, tar zxvf file.tar.gz... then ./install.sh
[01:28] <goldfish_> selinium: then cd into the directory it makes, then run that command.
[01:28] <goldfish_> the ./install one
[01:28] <selinium> Cheers guys!
[01:28] <teknomaniac> hi i'm new ,i have opto 325 a4tech mosue with 4 buttons and 2 scrolls,and scroll works but 2 extra buttons don't,i want to have this button like a back and forward ,how can i do this without special program,maybe i could change something in XF86config-4 :
[01:28] <tiglionabbit> dave: I don't really know what you an do about that...  sounds bad.  Why'd ya do it?
[01:28] <fuflo> hi. i have (maybe a stupid) question.. how is it made in ubuntu: when i choose lithuanian lang at setup, after instaling ubuntu it is like on windows. the main kb layout is LT which is lithuanian ;) and if i press alt, it temporaly changes to US. now everything would be ok, but ubuntu i can press shift, and then alt and it still changes the layout. but here, on my other distro if i press shift, and then alt nothing happens. now my question is, how do
[01:28] <teknomaniac> Section "InputDevice"
[01:28] <teknomaniac> 	Identifier	"Configured Mouse"
[01:28] <teknomaniac> 	Driver		"mouse"
[01:28] <teknomaniac> 	Option		"CorePointer"
[01:28] <teknomaniac> 	Option		"Device"		"/dev/input/mice"
[01:28] <teknomaniac> 	Option		"Protocol"		"ExplorerPS/2"
[01:29] <teknomaniac> 	#Option		"Emulate3Buttons"	"true"
[01:29] <Fator_Dee> gah
[01:29] <teknomaniac> 	Option		"ZAxisMapping"		"4 5"
[01:29] <teknomaniac> EndSection
[01:29] <tiglionabbit> stop pasting!
[01:29] <Fator_Dee> make it stop
[01:29] <K_Dallas> one more line and you had been kicked :)
[01:29] <dave> tiglionabbit: it wasn't intentional -- not enough coffee this morning
[01:30] <fuflo> anyone reading my Q ? :)
[01:30] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, would you know the answer to the 2nd question i asked?
[01:30] <bigfoot> 8-)
[01:30] <teknomaniac> sory i use ctrl+v and i don't want to make so much line
[01:30] <bigfoot> fuflo, you forgot a nose for your sideways smiley. :)    ----->   :-)
[01:30] <fuflo> i dont have one
[01:30] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: sec, lots of text, lemme read back
[01:31] <dave> ah, well.  thx guys
[01:31] <fuflo> so? anyone have answer to my question? :/
[01:31] <sijp> fulfo, are you using gnome or KDE?
[01:32] <bigfoot> fuflo, did you know that your question is unfinished?
[01:32] <lanius> how well does ubuntu run on a p300 700 with 384m bram=
[01:32] <fuflo> bigfoot: no
[01:32] <bigfoot> it is.
[01:32] <Fator_Dee> lanius: quite good
[01:32] <Fackamato> lanius: quite well
[01:32] <fuflo> sijp: currently nothing
[01:32] <fuflo> but i prefer gnome
[01:32] <lanius> better than windows98?
[01:32] <Fator_Dee> lanius: install xfce4, might be better than gnome
[01:32] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: no, I'd say that's just the autoguesser thing estimating what you want based on the number of letters.  If you want to enter a command, click the arrow down there to enter it as a terminal command
[01:32] <fuflo> bigfoot: then help me finish it
[01:33] <Fator_Dee> lanius: or fluxbox/blackbox/openbox/icewm
[01:33] <tiglionabbit> fulfo: you got cut off after "now, my question is, how do"
[01:33] <fuflo> eh
[01:33] <tiglionabbit> irc limits the number of letters
[01:33] <K_Dallas> that is the worst place to be cut short ;)
[01:33] <fuflo> wait then.. ;)
[01:34] <fuflo> " ... how do i do that like on ubuntu? "
[01:34] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, autoguessing? i don't get it. How come it can't select the rigth command based on what you typed? Guessing is not really necessary for the function, wouldn't you agree? If it's as you say it is, how come "Run Command" works much better at guessing? 8-)
[01:35] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: because the guesser is guessing what you want from the items displayed.  You may have to go down a level to find the thing you want...   and, i don't know
[01:35] <Fator_Dee> fuflo: try to find the keyboard shortcuts configuration?
[01:35] <sijp> well, I configured the layout in x.org which is my prefered waym but you can do it under gnome with it's wizard
[01:36] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: besides, vim isn't on that list for me
[01:36] <underdog> Guys... I'm using breezy right now. Is there a reason that keybindings aren't working?
[01:36] <fuflo> Fator_Dee: huh? first of all i want to know if its gnome option, or plain xorg.conf
[01:36] <Fator_Dee> underdog: it's not stable, that's why
[01:36] <tiglionabbit> underdog: read the topic line?
[01:36] <underdog> ie. using nautilus and pressing ctrl + x it closes the window
[01:36] <Fator_Dee> underdog: look the /topic
[01:36] <underdog> Fator_Dee: I noticed the topic when I joined, thank you :)
[01:36] <sijp> fuflo, it can be both, there are two ways to achive the same result
[01:37] <sijp> there is a wizard in gnome, that do that
[01:37] <flipy> in a server installation of ubuntu hoary, does it come with some kind of auto-mount utility?
[01:37] <fuflo> sijp: well i know things like grp:switch,grp:lswitch in xorg.conf. but it doesnt act like on ubuntu. :/
[01:38] <sijp> ummm... did you looked at your ubuntu's xorg.conf ?
[01:38] <sijp> look*
[01:39] <fuflo> i dont have that anymore.
[01:39] <fuflo> but as i looked before i saw only one layout defined. that was "lt"
[01:39] <tiglionabbit> flipy: auto mount what?
[01:39] <flipy> a usb mass storage device
[01:40] <tiglionabbit> hmm, dunno, usb devices have worked for me but I haven't tried that.  Try plugging it in and typing lsusb
[01:40] <sijp> there was no something like :         Option  "XkbOptions" "grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll"
[01:40] <warty> help
[01:40] <fuflo> sijp: nope
[01:40] <warty> my monitor is fliping
[01:40] <fuflo> thats the idea..
[01:40] <tiglionabbit> sijp: there's options for those under System->Preferences->Keyboard
[01:40] <warty> i cant load ubuntu
[01:41] <sijp> then it was probably configured under the gnome configs
[01:41] <sijp> yes, that one
[01:41] <warty> help please!
[01:41] <tiglionabbit> fliping?
[01:42] <warty> lot of lines up down
[01:42] <fuflo> hm. i used gnome for a while, looked at those settings and they looked identical to xorg's. so i think it should be possible to do the same on plain xorg :/
[01:42] <warty> i dont know very good englis
[01:42] <flipy> tiglionabbit: a usb mass storage device
[01:42] <tiglionabbit> um, fixresolutionhowto?
[01:42] <warty> but is like a piece of paper
[01:43] <wdh> flipy, try 'lsusb' and see if it is listed when plugged in
[01:43] <wdh> or plug it in and run 'dmesg'
[01:43] <sijp> fuflo, I don't know, that alt feature is not something i use, I change it with ALT+SHIFT :/
[01:43] <flipy> wdh: if I plugged it, it is detected
[01:43] <flipy> the thing is to automount it
[01:43] <warty> tiglionabbit is loading the kernel and when i have to log in i cant
[01:44] <FireBox> Has anyone in here got tightvncserver working?
[01:44] <warty> because is flipping
[01:44] <fuflo> sijp: well yeah. changing it permanently works. but i want it to change only when i'm holding alt.
[01:44] <warty> tiglionabbit can help me please
[01:44] <sijp> sorry, I cannot help :/
[01:45] <fuflo> anyway.. thanks everyone for your time.. if i come up with a solution ill give you a word.. ;)
[01:45] <tiglionabbit> warty: I don't really know anything about that problem
[01:45] <warty> help
[01:46] <manitoba98xp> Hello all, I am using Ubuntu Hoary. I have a couple questions about the keyboard shortcuts in GNOME. First, I noticed the "eject" feature, which is a lot like the feature in Mac OS X (necessary, because the eMacs, particularly, have the actual button inaccessible). However, I haven't found a way to bring it back in. I know, from the command-line, I can use "eject" to eject it and "eject -t" to bring it back in. 
[01:46] <tiglionabbit> warty: All I can do is point you to this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:46] <K_Dallas> manitoba98xp, cdrecord -load dev=your device
[01:47] <bigfoot> Hello, I'm trying to configure Firefox to run a certain application when I click a certain file, I try to rummage through but I cant' find the application's location. how do i do it?
[01:47] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: there are several ways
[01:47] <tiglionabbit> ony way, if you know the name of the application, is to say "which" followed by the name of it
[01:48] <tiglionabbit> it will show you which binary it would use for that command
[01:48] <warty> but i cant pass the login session
[01:48] <tiglionabbit> warty: you can use a virtual terminal by hitting control-alt-F1, as well as the other F buttons.  1-6 are text, 7 is the login screen
[01:48] <warty> is not working too
[01:48] <warty> i tried
[01:49] <manitoba98xp> cdrecord -load dev=/dev/cdrom just pulls it in, but doesn't eject it if it is closed.
[01:49] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: if you know the name of the deb package, you can say dpkg -L and the name of the package to list the things installed by it.  Then there's 'locate'.  You can say locate and the name of the file, but make sure you run 'sudo updatedb' first or it wont find new things
[01:50] <Fator_Dee> question, how well ubuntu installs on a computer with a only a sata-harddrive? what about if I have a sata-drive and an ata-drive?
[01:51] <manitoba98xp> Can anyone help me?
[01:51] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: or...  you could say echo $PATH and it would give you a list of places it looks for applications in
[01:51] <tiglionabbit> manitoba98xp: um..  no idea.  Try google.  It doesn't seem super important though.
[01:51] <Fator_Dee> manitoba98xp: what do you need to do exactly?
[01:52] <tiglionabbit> he wants to be able to close his cd drive from the gui I think
[01:52] <manitoba98xp> Well, I want functionality similar to that on Mac OS X.
[01:52] <manitoba98xp> But I want one button to close or open the CD drive, depending on its current state.
[01:52] <tiglionabbit> then get a mac.  =P.
[01:52] <Fator_Dee> hmm, I don't know if you can do that, can't you just press the button on the drive :->
[01:52] <tiglionabbit> okay, manitoba, since you know the command, why not MAKE a button?
[01:52] <manitoba98xp> (I know about eject and eject -t)
[01:52] <manitoba98xp> I mean a keyboard shortcut, sorry.
[01:52] <picochu> hi guys i need to ask a question, to what extent are deb packages compatible with ubuntu
[01:52] <tiglionabbit> oh
[01:53] <manitoba98xp> And I can't press the actual button, it's an Apple eMac.
[01:53] <Fator_Dee> manitoba98xp: oh
[01:53] <tiglionabbit> picochu: ubuntu is based on debian.  Everything is deb
[01:53] <Fator_Dee> manitoba98xp: I'n not on my gnome comp, but I think you could make a keaboard shortvut that executes "eject" or "eject -t"
[01:53] <roshlame> hello
[01:54] <picochu> tiglionabbit: come on. it`s more than that. it's like saying Mandrake and Red Hat are the same because they both use rpms
[01:54] <manitoba98xp> OK, but how can I assign that to a keyboard shortcut? I don't see any "custom" button or anything.
[01:54] <tiglionabbit> manitoba98xp: um, system->preferences->keboard shortcuts
[01:54] <selinium> I have an old Athlon 900 in my machine, is it worth installing the CPU specific kernel sudo apt-get install linux-k7   ?
[01:54] <manitoba98xp> I know, I'm there.
[01:54] <tiglionabbit> picochu: no, but ubuntu is specifically BUILT on debian
[01:55] <manitoba98xp> I don't see how I can add a custom shortcut.
[01:55] <tiglionabbit> picochu: read the ubuntu website
[01:55] <Gog> OT: anyone here used a Canon pixma ip4000r printer over ethernet?
[01:55] <tiglionabbit> manitoba98xp: the eject one doesn't work?
[01:55] <manitoba98xp> It just ejects, I can't get it to take it back in.
[01:56] <tiglionabbit> the keyboard shortcuts manager is kind of primitive, I know.  I hope they bling it up later
[01:56] <manitoba98xp> Apparently, they used to allow customization.
[01:56] <tiglionabbit> odd
[01:57] <tiglionabbit> but still, the thing's hanging out there, you can just push it back in, right?
[01:57] <looksaus> about half a year ago, I mentioned on the ubuntu-bounty-proposals wiki I would be willing to spend ?100 on a gstreamer MIDI bounty
[01:57] <roshlame> My xine-ui puts an error message that it is missing "Audio Codec: MPEG Layer 2/3"
[01:57] <Fator_Dee> manitoba98xp: you could make a button on the panel :-\
[01:57] <roshlame> Does anyone know what library exactly i have to download?
[01:57] <picochu> tiglionabbit: it just said it is based on debian. nothing on deb compatibilty
[01:57] <tiglionabbit> roshlame: well, perhaps you need mpeg2
[01:57] <looksaus> is there a way I can still get it included into the http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyBounties
[01:57] <looksaus> ?
[01:58] <tiglionabbit> roshlame: read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:58] <roshlame> thank you
[01:58] <tiglionabbit> it's under the DVD setion
[01:58] <manitoba98xp> Aha, I think I found the solution.
[01:58] <manitoba98xp> I opened gconf-editor and went into apps>metacity
[01:59] <toran> hey guys, when will the latest version of fluxbox make it into the repository?
[01:59] <picochu> tiglionabbit: <quote>   Ubuntu and Debian are distinct but parallel and closely linked systems </quote>
[01:59] <manitoba98xp> There are 10 customizable commands.
[01:59] <tiglionabbit> picochu: ubuntu's primary way of installing software is through synAPTic, which uses ONLY debian packages.  Everything ubuntu uses to install is a deb package.
[01:59] <tiglionabbit> in fact, nearly any debian package can be installed on ubuntu
[02:00] <tiglionabbit> but some can't, I've been told
[02:00] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, thanks. I have found the location via "Run Command." For example, click on the application titled "Archive Manager." The blank on the top will show "file-roller". But is file-roller in the home directory? or bin directory? See, this is my problem.
[02:00] <tiglionabbit> quote: Debian is "the rock upon which Ubuntu is built".
[02:01] <picochu> tiglionabbit: that's what i am asking for are debians deb compatible. so it would seem like debian and ubuntu debs are not entirely compatible... much like RH/Mandrake.
[02:01] <selinium> Has anyone here used a CPU specific kernel before?
[02:02] <picochu> selinium: would you like to rephrase that? cos all kernels are cpu specific
[02:02] <tiglionabbit> picochu: sure.  In synaptic, tested ubuntu debs have an ubuntu logo next to them
[02:02] <warty> help me please
[02:02] <tiglionabbit> um, I really need to sleep
[02:02] <goldfish_> warty: what;s wrong?
[02:02] <warty> i cant load all of my hoary
[02:03] <tiglionabbit> his screen is wigging in X I believe
[02:03] <picochu> tiglionabbit: what i would like to do is to run debian debs on ubuntu . it's not available from synaptic
[02:03] <nuliukas> selinium, i believe that pretty much everyone uses them, excpet ones stuck with default i386
[02:03] <warty> is loading the kernel and when i have to log in the monitor is flipping
[02:03] <tiglionabbit> picochu: you could add those repositories
[02:03] <picochu> tiglionabbit i
[02:03] <tiglionabbit> synaptic is just an apt frontend.  It will do anything apt will
[02:03] <selinium> picochu: On this thread it says to install the CPU specific kernel.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713 I have an old athlon 900
[02:04] <picochu> tiglionabbit: i'd love to but they are not GPLed
[02:04] <psychicdragon> toran, fluxbox 0.9.13 is in the backports repository. is that the one you're looking for?
[02:04] <tiglionabbit> picochu: um, so?
[02:04] <toran> yaeh
[02:04] <toran> psychicdragon: how do I install it, then?
[02:04] <tiglionabbit> picochu: you can use dpkg
[02:05] <picochu> tiglionabbit: i just want to know if there's any problem before i take the plunge.
[02:05] <tapia> hi
[02:05] <Einhoernchen> hi all
[02:05] <Einhoernchen> plzzzzzzzzzzzz some fast help
[02:05] <tapia> I'm getting an error while trying to update
[02:05] <tiglionabbit> picochu: k.  Ubuntu and Debian are pretty similar.  I wouldn't worry too much
[02:05] <tiglionabbit> tapia: what sort of error?
[02:05] <tapia> Setting up xbase-clients (6.8.2-21) ...
[02:05] <tapia> xbase-clients postinst warning: /etc/X11/xkb/xkbcomp symbolic link points to wrong location /usr/bin/xkbcomp
[02:06] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, so to give a specific task: how do i find the location of file-roller, when "Run Applictions" says that it's not in any subdirectory?
[02:06] <psychicdragon> toran, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories, follow the steps there. then search for fluxbox in synaptic
[02:06] <Einhoernchen> ive installed gnome on my kubuntu and the gnome-bar is missing
[02:06] <tapia> any idea? :-)
[02:06] <nuliukas> selinium, kernel-image-(KERNEL VERSION)-k7
[02:06] <Einhoernchen> WHERE is it?
[02:06] <Einhoernchen> !seen mindspin
[02:06] <selinium> nuliukas: When I installed from the CD what version would it of installed?
[02:07] <Einhoernchen> can anybody tell me? what I've done wrong?
[02:07] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: find it in the applications menu, right-click and select edit.  You should see the command it uses there.  Oh, and you can use `apropos something` at the terminal to look for stuff that does whatever something is
[02:07] <picochu> tiglionabbit: coz i remembered reading some deb dev bitching about ubuntu debs not entirely debian compatible
[02:07] <nuliukas> selinium, write in terminal uname -r
[02:07] <tiglionabbit> I don't know what the difference is, picochu.  When I need to use an rpm, I just turn it into a deb
[02:08] <warty> <goldfish_can u have an idea what the pb is?
[02:08] <Einhoernchen> please guys
[02:08] <roshlame> tiglionabbit, that does not help me much... i use xine, and it says something about mplayer, I can't even apt-get the mplayer package, perhaps it is no longer supported
[02:08] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, right-clicking does'nt give me the option to edit.
[02:08] <goldfish_> warty: nope, sorry,
[02:08] <warty> ok
[02:08] <selinium> nuliukas: 2.6.10-5-386, So i will go for the K7 version, Cheers for you r help!
[02:08] <goliat> hello guys
[02:08] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, only "Add launcher to panel" and a nesting folder called "Entire menu".
[02:08] <goliat> does squidguard have a graphical interface on ubuntu
[02:08] <nuliukas> selinium, you're welcome :)
[02:08] <tiglionabbit> roshlame: you need to add the backports repositories.  The one listed in the faq is down for overtraffic.  Go to http://backports.ubuntuforums.com and read about it
[02:09] <toran> psychicdragon: I did taht, and then did apt-get update
[02:09] <toran> Failed to fetch http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/hoary-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[02:09] <Einhoernchen> *crys-out-loud*
[02:09] <tiglionabbit> I mean backports.ubuntuforums.org
[02:09] <tiglionabbit> that repository is down
[02:09] <tiglionabbit> read the site
[02:09] <toran> thanks
[02:09] <tiglionabbit> oh, gzip. nm
[02:09] <toran> oh :(
[02:09] <Einhoernchen> where is my taskbar in gnome?
[02:09] <tiglionabbit> maybe it's just that package, in which you should refresh, and maybe add another repository
[02:10] <tiglionabbit> Einhoernchen: um, on the bottom of the screen?
[02:10] <Einhoernchen> nope
[02:10] <Einhoernchen> it isnt there
[02:10] <picochu> selinium it should work alright. i586/k7/i686 kernels should work fine
[02:10] <Einhoernchen> :-(
[02:10] <warty> how i give reset to hoary?
[02:10] <Einhoernchen> there is just an empty panel
[02:10] <DanglyBits> where can we download backports for hoary then ?
[02:10] <selinium> picochu: cheers
[02:10] <Einhoernchen> nothin more
[02:10] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, anyway i found the command line, by first adding it to my panel. But where in the world is that? Is that the home directory? If so, i don't see it there, even whe i have hidden files shown.
[02:10] <picochu> selinium: fingers crossed.
[02:10] <shido> ok where do I find the modules that get loaded with th "1" and "0" at the end
[02:10] <tiglionabbit> right-click the top panel and select "New Panel" and choose tasbar
[02:11] <tiglionabbit> einhorehacnchen
[02:11] <selinium> picochu: :D
[02:11] <Einhoernchen> w00t?
[02:11] <Einhoernchen> wait
[02:11] <DanglyBits> where can we download backports for hoary then ?
[02:11] <tiglionabbit> holy crap so many questions, I can't handle all this.
[02:11] <tiglionabbit> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php  <-- lists Backports mirrors
[02:11] <warty> can anybody heart about:is loading the kernel and when i have to log in the monitor is flipping,so i cant log in
[02:12] <Einhoernchen> tiglionabbit, why do i have to "construct" the taskbar myself?
[02:12] <picochu> tiglionabbit: they should run a bot here to answer faqs
[02:12] <selinium> For info on getting other repositories goto www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:12] <tiglionabbit> picochu: there's a faqs section on ubuntulinux.com
[02:12] <thoreauputic> ! help
[02:12] <ubotu> I guess help is /msg apt help
[02:12] <tiglionabbit> I don't really like ubuntuguide.  It's not very helpful, and doesn't explain to you what it's doing
[02:13] <toran> could someone take a look at my apt-get update errors? http://pastebin.ca/13096
[02:13] <warty> can anybody heart about:when is loading the kernel and when i have to log in the monitor is flipping,so i cant log in, is flipping and just flipping
[02:13] <picochu> warty: can it even boot to single user mode?
[02:13] <tiglionabbit> yeah, ubuto is a bit messed.  YOu can give ubotu commands by saying "ubotu info something"
[02:13] <Einhoernchen> ok
[02:13] <Einhoernchen> thanx
[02:13] <Einhoernchen> bye
[02:13] <warty> i dont know
[02:14] <warty> how do that?
[02:14] <picochu> warty can you try that?
[02:14] <selinium> Hi thoreauptic. Whats up?
[02:14] <bigfoot> can anyone tell me where file-roller is located on our hard drives?
[02:14] <tiglionabbit> toran: you just need to remove the backports repository, as it is down.  Use one of the mirrors on the site I mentioned
[02:14] <reka> toran: are you sure you want backports?  that seems like the problem.
[02:14] <warty> picochu how do that?
[02:15] <thoreauputic> hi selinium - same old same old :)
[02:15] <toran> I need backports for the latest version of fluxbox :(
[02:15] <reka> bigfoot: type which file-roller
[02:15] <tiglionabbit> yay, someone else answering
[02:16] <tiglionabbit> toran: I said, use the mirrors.  Read this site http://backports.ubuntuforums.org
[02:16] <toran> ok, thanks
[02:16] <toran> ohhhhh
[02:16] <bigfoot> reka; thanks it works! You see, i got confused when all i saw as to its path was "file-roller"
[02:16] <bigfoot> thanks.
[02:16] <toran> now I get it
[02:16] <selinium> I have just installed the CPU specific kernel K7 to my system.... Just going for the reboot now! I may be some time!
[02:16] <toran> tiglionabbit: I thought you were saying to put that site as the repo
[02:16] <toran> no wonder it didn't work
[02:16] <useruser> warty: interrupt grub during the countdown on bootup and select single user from the menu
[02:16] <selinium> thoreauputic: I have just installed the CPU specific kernel K7 to my system.... Just going for the reboot now! I may be some time!
[02:16] <shido> where do I set audio cards primary , etc
[02:16] <reka> bigfoot: np.  'which' is pretty useful.  most exectuables however are usually in /usr/bin
[02:16] <shido> with a "0" or -2 , etc
[02:17] <bigfoot> reka, it's in usr/bin, as you say.
[02:17] <bigfoot> how did you know this command, reka? do you study linux or something?
[02:17] <thoreauputic> selinium: should work fine, don't get lost in the Antarctic ;)
[02:17] <bigfoot> or go through each command of linux?
[02:17] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: I know it too
[02:17] <picochu> warty you need to append the line where you specify the kernel with a the word "single" at the end
[02:17] <tiglionabbit> it's standard unix
[02:17] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, you did? how come you did'nt tell me? 8-) or did you? 8-)
[02:18] <reka> bigfoot: :-)  picked it up along the way.  you'll begin to learn useful commands as well sooner or later.
[02:18] <tiglionabbit> because I was swamped with questions, and wanted to make sure it was file-roller with a hyphon
[02:18] <picochu> warty: you'd proabably need to do it interatively at grub's prompt
[02:18] <bigfoot> reka, you mean i can't stick to the GUI? 8-)
[02:18] <reka> bigfoot: free books: http://www.maththinking.com/boat/booksIndex.html search for "linux" if you want.
[02:18] <warty> ok
[02:18] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: the command I ran was "apropos roller"
[02:18] <thoreauputic> selinium: such nobility - so british ;-)
[02:18] <warty> let me see
[02:18] <useruser> warty: why do you need to know where the executable is?
[02:18] <tiglionabbit> useruser: to tell firefox what to open the file with
[02:19] <picochu> thoreauputic': brits aren't that bad ;)
[02:19] <reka> bigfoot: sure you can.  but you're usually limited to what you can do with it.
[02:19] <bigfoot> useruser, well, because i'm configuring my firefox to open up some programs with certain links.
[02:19] <useruser> tiglionabbit: ah. that interface sucks for newbies
[02:19] <useruser> tiglionabbit: it should use the gnome menu
[02:19] <tiglionabbit> I agree.  I was really surprised when it expected me to know where the bin was
[02:20] <thoreauputic> picochu: I was referring to the genuinely noble situation selinium was quoting: from the sad story of Scott in the Antarctic
[02:20] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:20] <picochu> tiglionabbit ubuntu still needs polishing
[02:20] <tiglionabbit> yep
[02:20] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, i'm did the apropos roller command, and it's nice coz it tells you files that have the word roller in it, but apropos doesn't say where the file is located in the hard drive.
[02:20] <bigfoot> or does it? can it?
[02:20] <picochu> thoreauputic okay. guess i missed that
[02:20] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:21] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: I know, it doens't.  I wanted to make sure that's what the file was called.  Then, you can say which and use that name
[02:21] <bigfoot> oh, i see.
[02:21] <tiglionabbit> use apropos when you need to know what to run things with
[02:21] <picochu> thoreauputic i suspect that he's british... no yanks in the right mind would use the phrase cheers `. ;)....
[02:21] <useruser> bigfoot: or if you're not afraid of errors you can try both :)
[02:22] <bigfoot> how come "run applications" doesn't show the full path, and just "file-roller" for the path of archive manager? That's not really helpful, is it? 8-)
[02:22] <thoreauputic> picochu: " I may be some time" is what a member of the expedition said before leaving the tent to die in an attempt to save the other surviving people
[02:22] <reka> picochu: aussies use it a lot.
[02:22] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: because there is a variable called $PATH which tells it where to look for the file.
[02:22] <picochu> reka: only when they are drinking... but then again...have you ever seen a aussie that doesnt? :P
[02:22] <tiglionabbit> your computer doesn't have to know
[02:22] <tiglionabbit> it finds it
[02:22] <bigfoot> i don't understand how apropos can help one decide which program to run whatever with, tiglionabbit .
[02:23] <picochu> selinium you're alive!
[02:23] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, yes the comp finds it, but not firefox.
[02:23] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: get on a foreign machine, and say apropos ftp
[02:23] <bigfoot> picochu, i'm alive, too
[02:23] <bigfoot> 8-)
[02:23] <bigfoot> what's a foreign machine?
[02:23] <picochu> bigfoot good for you :D
[02:23] <krzysiek> hello
[02:23] <bigfoot> I have only one pc here.
[02:23] <tiglionabbit> there are a lot of different ftp programs.  You might profit from knowing which ones are around
[02:23] <selinium> picochu: Popped back to the tent for tea and biscuits! :)
[02:23] <krzysiek> I got a question
[02:23] <tiglionabbit> oh, I mean someone else's box
[02:23] <tiglionabbit> or you can do it for yourself
[02:23] <goldfish_> krzysiek: ask away
[02:23] <krzysiek> how to switch from Hoary to Hoary for amd64?
[02:24] <tiglionabbit> it's a quick search through applications you've got
[02:24] <picochu> tea? ...it's barely past noon in uk!
[02:24] <goldfish_> krzysiek: em....
[02:24] <krzysiek> is this possible to do this with apt?
[02:24] <thoreauputic> selinium: you are using up our ration supply! Get out there again!
[02:24] <thoreauputic> *g*
[02:24] <selinium> LOL
[02:24] <useruser> picochu: so? optimal behaviour is to be on a tea drip 24/7. it's always time for tea
[02:24] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, i see. i'm not sure though when i'll be needing to do this apropos command. Can you give me a specific anecdote where this command helped you?
[02:24] <tiglionabbit> heheh, on debian I had a program called "wtf".  You could say "wtf is firefox" or "wtf is emacs" and it would tell you the one-liner describing it in its manual page
[02:24] <picochu> thoreauputic: as long as he stays away from the beer. I'm fine with that
[02:25] <picochu> useruser: replace tea with beer
[02:25] <thoreauputic> picochu: nah, the beer is useless - it's frozen solid ;)
[02:25] <krzysiek> I got cd with hoary for amd64 but it doesn't want to install (error on "installing base system")
[02:25] <tiglionabbit> in fact, I want to install wtf.  It was fun
[02:25] <selinium> picochu: 13:30 About time for a little luncheon. Cucumber sandwich anyone?
[02:25] <useruser> picochu: well, as long as you don't try both at once
[02:25] <reka> tiglionabbit: it's in bsdgames iirc
[02:25] <krzysiek> I installed hoary for x86 and now I would like to replace packages for amd64 architecture
[02:25] <thoreauputic> selinium: my dear Oscar - please refrain
[02:25] <bigfoot> selinium, hook me up with some cucumber sandwhiches. Add some turkey meat and gravy to mine, please!
[02:26] <picochu> useruser: after the tenth pint you can'
[02:26] <picochu> can`t tell the difference
[02:26] <mez> grr
[02:26] <tiglionabbit> reka: thank you!  you are correct
[02:26] <mez> damn you peopel talkign abotu alcohol
[02:26] <mez> I want my Vodka nbow
[02:26] <bigfoot> selinium, oh, and the cucumbers are optional on mine..
[02:26] <reka> tiglionabbit: so it's installed by default on debian?
[02:26] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, any specific instances when the apropos command was helpful for you?
[02:27] <selinium> bigfoot: LOL where do you want it mailed?
[02:27] <tiglionabbit> reka: no, I think I used dselect to pull the games packages for me
[02:27] <tiglionabbit> on install
[02:27] <bigfoot> um, just email it me, selinium.
[02:27] <bigfoot> vegemite is salty stuff!
[02:27] <picochu> vegemite... haven't seen that for ages
[02:27] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: it's helpful all the time
[02:27] <selinium>  /me lifts his cup and saucer to sip [little finger extended] 
[02:27] <herpes> marmite is nicer
[02:27] <reka> nothing like salt on toast :-)
[02:27] <useruser> s/Vegemite/Marmite/g
[02:27] <herpes> much nicer
[02:28] <toran> yay selinium!
[02:28] <toran> gotta have that pinky up :P
[02:28] <thoreauputic> selinium: i say, Old Chap - nice to see there are a few gents with manners remaining
[02:28] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, i'm sorry for my lack of experience, but at this point in time, i don't see how it can help me. THat's why i'd like to ask you how it _specific_ stories of how it helped you.
[02:28] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: like the example I gave.  Say 'apropos ftp' and look at what it lists.  Those are all different ftp programs you can use!
[02:28] <picochu> useruser: some how those vegimite reminds me of cod liver oil.....
[02:29] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: I'm just trying to get you comfortable with a few unixisms
[02:29] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, thanks for making it clear to me with your 2nd to last message. I undersnand.
[02:29] <thoreauputic> picochu: both should be used sparingly and with discretion..
[02:29] <selinium> thoreauputic: a few of of left to carry on the principles of crochet and Pimm's on a hot summers day!
[02:29] <tiglionabbit> =p no need for sarcasm.  And that was just a near repetition of my second message
[02:30] <selinium> thoreauputic: a few of of left to carry on the principles of croquet and Pimm's on a hot summers day!
[02:30] <picochu> thoreauputic they should put biohazard sign on those two
[02:30] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, i don't know... should i whip out a memo and start recording this commands i'm learning in this chatroom (i.e. which, apropos, ...) ?
[02:30] <selinium> Croquet even!
[02:30] <useruser> selinium: heh. crocheting while pissed on pimms sounds more fun
[02:30] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: no, you should go to the library and pick up a book on basic unix
[02:30] <thoreauputic> selinium: heh - actually croquet is a killer aggressive game, when you think about the tactics :)
[02:30] <selinium> useruser: Indeed!
[02:31] <selinium> thoreauputic: it depends which balls you swing at! :)
[02:31] <thoreauputic> heheh
[02:31] <picochu> bigfoot have you tried USAHB? aka the purple book?
[02:31] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: or read this pdf: http://nick-zap.home.comcast.net/stuff/unix.pdf
[02:31] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, i finally found the program for firefox to use. but how can i make that program the default program that firefox loads when i left-click the link?
[02:31] <bigfoot> picochu, no. i don't know either book.
[02:32] <picochu> bigfoot: Unix Sys Admin Handbook
[02:32] <picochu> it was red before that
[02:32] <useruser> bigfoot: there are less intimidating short guides on the net, I'm sure
[02:32] <bigfoot> Do i have to be a geek to use Linux?
[02:32] <tiggggr> it sure helps
[02:32] <bigfoot> I don't want to be any geekier than i already am. ...
[02:32] <SysFail> no, but you have to be willing to use google
[02:32] <picochu> bigfoot: no you just need to know the secret hand shake
[02:32] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: no, you just turn into a geek without noticing it ;)
[02:33] <selinium> bigfoot: I hope not!
[02:33] <bigfoot> My eyes are saying "Please. No more geek-factor upgrade. Please, stay away from too much time on the computer!"
[02:33] <useruser> bigfoot: maybe the rute book is in ubuntu - apt-get install rutebook
[02:33] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: "The geek shall inherit the earth " ;-)
[02:34] <selinium> bigfoot: ONe thing I have noticed, people have stopped asking me to fix there Windows PCs, Fabulous!
[02:34] <picochu> damn cat wants to type too. just jumped on my kb
[02:34] <picochu> thoreauputic: all your bases are belong to us (geeks);)
[02:34] <bigfoot> I knew that Linux was for geeks years ago. But i though that the linux of today is, or should be, or will be, good enough, easy enough for Windows users, like our low-tech grandmothers, to make the switch....
[02:35] <reka> bigfoot: and have you found it to be true?
[02:35] <lamont> bigfoot: that's the goal
[02:35] <bigfoot> selinium, why the stop? Coz they switched to Linux?
[02:35] <useruser> bigfoot: you read the hype. you believed the hype. you lose :P
[02:35] <useruser> bigfoot: seriously, read http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/ when you have time
[02:35] <bigfoot> Well, i really don't have to go under the hood to use basic stuff like email and webbrowsing.
[02:35] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: for most stuff, once set up, that's true now (It's the setting up that rquires geekery)
[02:35] <picochu> frankly guys. I'd recommend Mac for those lusers ;P
[02:36] <bigfoot> setting up my comp was a hoary breeze!
[02:36] <picochu> it's still unix!
[02:36] <bigfoot> 8-)
[02:36] <selinium> bigfoot: No because i did. For some reason they think I have forgotten 10 years of windows over night..... :)
[02:36] <bigfoot> selinium,  i see.
[02:36] <thoreauputic> picochu: yes, but the unix in OS-X is more hidden
[02:36] <tiglionabbit> picochu: I thought it was "Not Unix"
[02:37] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: he meant OS-X I think
[02:37] <picochu> tiglionabbit: i mean OSX
[02:37] <selinium> bigfoot: I am not sure how my Grandmother would take to having a hoary hedgehog on her machine... She's a little old fashioned!
[02:37] <bigfoot> useruser, i added that rute book as a bookmark.
[02:38] <leonel> Anyone with ubuntu as a Produccition  www/dns/mail/database server   how it goes  knowing that ubuntu is desktop oriented ?
[02:38] <picochu> thoreauputic but OS X has a screwed up way of mounting remote file systems
[02:38] <thoreauputic> picochu: indeed
[02:38] <reka> am i the only one with grandparents who don't use computers?
[02:38] <podge> Anyone here got a Pioneer 108?
[02:39] <picochu> thoreauputic: those apple programmers were probably smoking grass when they work on that
[02:39] <goldfish_> reka: Nope.
[02:39] <bigfoot> i wonder we all will still be using computers when we become hoary greyheads/baldies ourselves...
[02:39] <selinium> reka: she only uses the 'cup holder' on the front! :P
[02:39] <thoreauputic> picochu: I use Ubuntu on my iBook partly because it works easily with my NFS network setup (OS-X *will* do it, but I can't be bothered learning how)
[02:39] <reka> :-)
[02:40] <picochu> thoreauputic: mount? anyway i installed fink on my PB
[02:40] <selinium> bigfoot: I'd watch it some of us already are!
[02:40] <picochu> thoreauputic: so all those much needed unix stuffs are all there
[02:40] <thoreauputic> picochu: I played with fink - but then I realised I already had all the apps I wanted in newer versions on lInux anyway :)
[02:40] <bigfoot> selinium, oops. what i meant was when we become senior citizens.
[02:41] <[1] damn> while i am playing mp3s if i start to copy shit off a cd the mp3 start stutter anybody got an idea of what happing
[02:41] <thoreauputic> [1] damn: how would *you* feel if someone copied shit onto *you* ?
[02:42] <selinium> bigfoot: No worries! I am a little of that yet!
[02:42] <picochu> thoreauputic: i need proper driver support for my hardware, particularly my 3d gfx card... Damn H^MDell bastards won't fix the drivers coz they don't support linux
[02:42] <[1] damn> kinda turn on :P
[02:42] <thoreauputic> [1] damn: look into the dma settings on your drive
[02:42] <bigfoot> useruser, installing rutebook. Wow, it's a 6MB book!
[02:43] <[1] damn> thoreauputic: where
[02:43] <smith> rutebook?
[02:43] <thoreauputic> [1] damn:  man hdparm
[02:43] <[1] damn> thanks
[02:44] <[1] damn> and have they stopped doing the ubuntuguide.org add-on cd
[02:44] <reka> ok, dumb question.  is there a reference to which device corresponds to which in /dev?  for instance, what's the difference b/n cdrom and cdrw?
[02:44] <thoreauputic> [1] damn: yes - it was illegal
[02:44] <bigfoot> how come pdf's don't open in my firefox? I can view PDFs, but not in firefox.
[02:45] <[1] damn> oh nut
[02:45] <krzysiek> ehh no answer
[02:45] <picochu> reka just follow the links
[02:45] <krzysiek> come on guys
[02:45] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: plugin missing
[02:45] <krzysiek> how to switch packages from x86 to amd64?
[02:45] <krzysiek> without reinstalling of course
[02:45] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: you can get an acroread plugin if you really think it's a good idea (I don't, personally)
[02:46] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, okay. can i get a plugin that will load up fast? In other words, I don't need features such as inline searching, print preview, etc. I just need a basic PDF viewer.
[02:46] <reka> eww, acroread.
[02:46] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, how do _you_ view PDF files?
[02:46] <cumii> hello room
[02:46] <bigfoot> ... if you don't have the acroread plugin?
[02:46] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I just open them in xpdf
[02:46] <bigfoot> hello, cumii.
[02:46] <Goshawk> does anybody know something about google's summer code?
[02:46] <picochu> bigfoot there's xpdf you know
[02:47] <cumii> how to play mpg / avi / rm in ubuntu ?
[02:47] <tiglionabbit> bigfoot: any ghostscritp viewer will work too, like gv
[02:47] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, i believe i have xpdf too. I think it was preinstalled by ubuntu.
[02:47] <selinium> krysiek: What are you using at the mo?
[02:47] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: correct
[02:47] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: and it should appear as an option when you click on a pdf in ff
[02:47] <ian> hello ppl..
[02:48] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: if not, go to edit > preferences and enable it
[02:48] <cumii> bigfoot : how to play mpg on ubuntu ?
[02:48] <tiglionabbit> well i really need some sleep.  I hope I was helpful to people.  And wow, thanks for that Rute Users Guide, looks like fun reading
[02:48] <bigfoot> it looks prehistoric, but because it does, i'm led to believe that it loads fast, and without any slow-speed-inducing extra features!
[02:48] <tiglionabbit> cumii: get mpeg codecs.  Run vlc or xine or mplayer
[02:48] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: it is fast - and it works rather well
[02:48] <bigfoot> tiglionabbit, you were helpful. thank you. g'night.
[02:48] <picochu> tiglionabbit later
[02:48] <tiglionabbit> =} thank you
[02:48] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: if you want something prettier, install "evince"
[02:48] <selinium> tiglionabbit: Sleep well!
[02:49] <ian> i have a problem.. i tried to compile a kiax source..when i compiled it ..an error occured... xpm.h something is missing..when i tried to look the dir..which it points out..there is no xpm.h... what is this header? what package do i need to enable? :(
[02:49] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, the question is, though, what if the pdf file yo want to read is not a hyperlink? then you can't rightclick anything? What if i have the URL of the pdf? how then can i view the pdf?
[02:49] <picochu> shouldn't that be telinit 1?
[02:49] <picochu> :P
[02:49] <picochu> i mean telinit 0
[02:50] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, i don't need something prettier for pretty's sake. i'm more after speed. It seems that loading pdf files take a longer time than regular html, because adobe acrobat takes a long time to open up.
[02:50] <plovs> anybody know where I can find docs on how to modify the install-cd (live-cd i found)
[02:50] <reka> bigfoot: if you've set it up right.  xpdf will start up and load it for you , just not in the browser page like acroread.
[02:50] <bigfoot> picochu, why did you virtual-slap me?
[02:50] <picochu> ian have you gone thru with the list of required packages? you might be missing one.
[02:50] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: well, you can download it ( e.g. wget -c http:// bah.foo.pdf )
[02:50] <cumii> thx
[02:50] <selinium> I have installed rutebook, how do i start it?
[02:50] <picochu> bigfoot: do i need a reason :D
[02:50] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, but if i put the url into FF, it won't work right?
[02:51] <bigfoot> picochu, oh, so you're insane, then 8-)
[02:51] <thoreauputic> bigfoot:  dunno - haven't tried it
[02:51] <ian> picochu: yes i think so.. when i read the install is says it only needs qt3..
[02:51] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: it should pop up a dialog where you can choose your app, AFAIK
[02:51] <reka> bigfoot: edit->prefs : download section
[02:51] <bigfoot> reka, but the pdf _still_  must be a link in a webpage, right?
[02:51] <picochu> ian. the qt3 devels  do you have them installed?
[02:52] <spanglesontoast> got problems with xsession
[02:52] <bigfoot> afaik, thoreauputic ?
[02:52] <spanglesontoast> and something about ice
[02:52] <reka> actually, that might not work
[02:52] <thoreauputic> as far as I know
[02:52] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, no pop up dialog.
[02:53] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: what's the url?
[02:53] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, http://nick-zap.home.comcast.net/stuff/unix.pdf
[02:53] <ian> picochue: yes i haved.. when i search xpm in synaptic..there are many packages found.. what do i need to installed?:(
[02:53] <bigfoot> reka,  edit->prefs : download -> plugins. I looked up PDF. It is enabled. But why the problem?
[02:54] <ian> picochue: yes i have..installed qt3 dev
[02:54] <picochu> ian your guess is as good as mine
[02:54] <[1] damn> what do i need to install to play m4a file's
[02:54] <bigfoot> reka, oh, i see, the plugin only works if it's a hyperlink, right? Not if the URL is put into the addressbar, right?
[02:54] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: wget  http://nick-zap.home.comcast.net/stuff/unix.pdf| xpdf
[02:54] <ian> picochue: what do you mean?
[02:54] <floater_> hi wodup. I tried to reconfigure my x and changed 'glide' to 'mga'. First with glide it said 'failed to load module glide and now with mga it says 'mga_hal does not exists'. I have a matrox mga g200 agp videocard on pci bus1 device 0 function 0. When configuring I chose pci 1,0,0 I think
[02:54] <selinium> bigfoot: i have installed rutebook with synaptic. Do you know how to view it?
[02:54] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, okay, thanks for teaching me the wget command, but is there no simpler way with firefox?
[02:55] <bigfoot> selinium, um, run rutebook?
[02:55] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: *shrug* right click, save as ?
[02:55] <cumii> anyone know where is link to download xine ?
[02:55] <reka> bigfoot: no a dialog box should pop up when any xpdf document is loaded, either by hyperlink or directly in the url bar
[02:55] <reka> *pdf document
[02:55] <selinium> bigfoot: sadly, no :(
[02:55] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, i know! but like i said, what if it's not a hyperlink? What if i just got that URL from, say, in this chatroom?
[02:56] <picochu> ian. coz i have frankly no idea whiat the correct package is for your xpm.h.
[02:56] <reka> cumii: easy way: search for xine in synaptic
[02:56] <ian> picochu: :( ic..
[02:56] <bigfoot> selinium, overkill?
[02:56] <bigfoot> oh no. wrong.
[02:56] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I just told you a one second command to get it
[02:57] <bigfoot> okay.
[02:57] <selinium> bigfoot: ?
[02:57] <thoreauputic> wget isn't hard, surely?
[02:57] <picochu> ian: care to tell me what were you trying to compile
[02:57] <smith> man?
[02:57] <bigfoot> selinium, i give up. how do you open rutebook?
[02:57] <selinium> bigfoot: no idea! I have it installed, but I dont know how! LOL
[02:58] <bigfoot> oh, i thought you were going to teach me if i told you i didn't know. Now i see we both don't know.
[02:58] <picochu> selinium: it's automagic i tell you ;D
[02:58] <thoreauputic> selinium: try  dpkg -L rutebook to see the files it installed
[02:58] <smith> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/doc/rutebook
[02:58] <bigfoot> selinium, something like a knock-knock question, i supposed.
[02:58] <smith> html and pdf
[02:58] <ian> picochu: im compiling kiax a voip softphone for iax protocol.. i planning to shift to linux.. im still using windows.. this one app that i need.. i found kiax  http://kiax.sourceforge.net/en_download.html
[02:58] <selinium> thoreauputic: Just done that!
[02:59] <selinium> bigfoot: /usr/share/doc/rutebook/html
[02:59] <[1] damn> what do i need to install to play m4a file's
[02:59] <bigfoot> selinium, oh, it's just an html file? no different from viewing it online, is it?
[03:00] <selinium> bigfoot: nope
[03:00] <[1] damn> in ru
[03:00] <picochu> ian, you know there a kiax-Debian package
[03:00] <bigfoot> ok, time to delete rutebook!
[03:00] <selinium> bigfoot: there is a pdf aswell
[03:00] <bigfoot> 8-)
[03:00] <bigfoot> oh, is there?
[03:00] <ian> picochu: yes..i have download it.. but it cannot be installed :(
[03:00] <picochu> ian: bummer
[03:00] <smith> I prefer "googlebook"
[03:00] <selinium> bigfoot: /usr/share/doc/rutebook/rute.pdf.gz
[03:00] <Munkey> hi people
[03:01] <ian> picochu: bummer? what is that?  :(
[03:01] <bigfoot> hi person.
[03:01] <ian> picochu: :)
[03:01] <Munkey> i just installed Ubuntu on my other pc, and i booted it up for the first time, and it says "Grub Hard Disk error"
[03:01] <bigfoot> smith, what's googlebook?
[03:01] <Munkey> help? :s
[03:01] <smith> not yet
[03:01] <smith> but ...
[03:01] <the_fenrill> hi
[03:01] <picochu> ian: does the binary tar ball work?
[03:02] <jjesse> hello
[03:02] <smith> jjesse-_- hello
[03:02] <bigfoot> how do i uninstall rutebook from console?
[03:02] <ian> picochu: nope.. so thats why im planning to compiled it..
[03:02] <reka> Munkey: does the error give more detail?
[03:02] <drummer87> hi all again... is it possible to make windows minimize when their titlebar is double clicked?
[03:02] <picochu> ian: you're making my life difficult aren't you ;)
[03:03] <Munkey> nope, it just says that
[03:03] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: sudo apt-get remove rutebook (if you installed with synaptic/apt)
[03:03] <reka> drummer87: sys->prefs-?windows
[03:03] <reka> prefs->windows
[03:03] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, i installed it via console.
[03:03] <selinium> Anyone here using rsync ?
[03:04] <selinium> bigfoot: It is a big book!
[03:04] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: umm - you used apt or not?
[03:04] <Munkey> hang on, i'll try installing ubuntu again, perhaps i screwed up something in the installation process, probably during the partition part
[03:04] <drummer87> reka: that only has maximize and roll-up
[03:04] <picochu> selinium: yeah bit can it beat war and peace? ;)
[03:04] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, i ran this command: sudo apt-get install rutebook
[03:05] <bigfoot> i guessi it's apt.
[03:05] <bigfoot> why? are there other ways to install?
[03:05] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: then run the command I gave you above
[03:05] <ian> picochu: heheheheh... i have sucessfully compiled. it.. and run the checkinstall.. and it was succesfull..what do i do next? :)
[03:06] <smith> ...
[03:06] <selinium> picochu: nohing like a bit of light reading at bedtime..... And that is nothing liek a bit of light reading!
[03:06] <reka> drummer87: ah, my mistake.  what's wrong with clicking on the _ bar?  you're up there anyway? note: you can set up a k/b shortcut
[03:07] <drummer87> reka, i guess.. but that's less like osx :)
[03:07] <smith> how to build a debian system like gentoo does?
[03:07] <drummer87> i can live with that though
[03:07] <picochu> ian: you tell me. i don't use that. :)
[03:08] <picochu> smith you don't ubuntu is not gentoo
[03:09] <spanglesontoast> got problems with gnome
[03:09] <spanglesontoast> http://pastebin.com/293254
[03:09] <picochu> selinium: if you take up speed reading.. .. I bet you can finish it in a day or two :P
[03:10] <dooglus> thoreauputic: your "wget http://nick-zap.home.comcast.net/stuff/unix.pdf| xpdf" command has a couple of problems
[03:10] <dooglus> first, wget writes to a file, not stdout by default, so there's nothing going into the pipe
[03:10] <dooglus> second, xpdf doesn't read from stdin, so there's nothing being read from the pipe
[03:10] <thoreauputic> dooglus: OK - I just thought it would work: i guess the pipe doesn't
[03:11] <seaPig|wrk> would that make it a pipe dream?
[03:11] <thoreauputic> dooglus: thanks for the correction
[03:11] <dooglus> thoreauputic: you can "wget -O- http:/..." if you want to write to stdout
[03:11] <dooglus> thoreauputic: but I don't know if xpdf can read a document from a pipe anyway
[03:11] <thoreauputic> ah - useful, thanks
[03:12] <floater_> hi wodup. I tried to reconfigure my x and changed 'glide' to 'mga'. First with glide it said 'failed to load module glide and now with mga it says 'mga_hal does not exists'. I have a matrox mga g200 agp videocard on pci bus1 device 0 function 0. When configuring I chose pci 1,0,0 I think
[03:12] <floater_> thoreauputic you know anything bout that ? shuold I choose vga then ?
[03:12] <spanglesontoast> http://pastebin.com/293254
[03:12] <dooglus> if you want to view gzipped pdf files, you can use zxpdf, for example "zxpdf /usr/share/doc/rutebook/rute.pdf.gz"
[03:12] <spanglesontoast> gnome issue
[03:13] <thoreauputic> floater_: way over my head I'm afraid :)
[03:13] <Ottoman> hi
[03:13] <floater_> hmm
[03:13] <Ottoman> I have a problem, I cannot get sound in Quake 3 under Hoary
[03:13] <anatole> hi
[03:14] <Ottoman> all other sound works
[03:14] <floater_> I can't start x... pretty sux
[03:14] <Ottoman> how can I see what the version is for my AC97 VIA soundcard?
[03:14] <toran> hey guys, I'm getting the following error when trying to install a KDE program from source: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[03:15] <toran> I'm on kubuntu, and I have libqt3 stuff installed. What's the deal?
[03:15] <Munkey> um
[03:15] <Munkey> some help again :p
[03:15] <spanglesontoast> ottoman have you got two sound cards?
[03:15] <Ottoman> no
[03:15] <picochu> toran: do you have lib qt3 dev installed?
[03:15] <spanglesontoast> easy
[03:15] <spanglesontoast> hang on
[03:15] <Munkey> oh nm, i figured it out
[03:15] <toran> picochu: lemme check
[03:15] <Munkey> pebcak
[03:15] <Riddell> toran: install kdelibs4-dev
[03:16] <picochu> Munkey do you need a LART?
[03:16] <toran> thanks
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> you want subwoofer to work etc?
[03:16] <confuser> hello all :)
[03:16] <Ottoman> if that's possible yes
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> ok hang on
[03:16] <Ottoman> hello confuser
[03:16] <reka> floater: what does lspci | grep -i matrox say?
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> http://pastebin.com/293256
[03:17] <confuser> i am new in linux, can i ask questions ?
[03:17] <spanglesontoast> make a file called .asoundrc
[03:17] <Ottoman> I'd like to learn a thing or 2 on Linux sound, as I'm working so that Ubuntu is my only OS
[03:17] <floater_> reka, wait a minute, I go check *runs to the other pc*
[03:17] <spanglesontoast> in your home dir
[03:17] <Munkey> I'm still getting this GRUB Hard Disk Error :/
[03:17] <spanglesontoast> of the user you are using now
[03:17] <spanglesontoast> you done that?
[03:17] <Munkey> anyone know what might be causing the problem?
[03:18] <Ottoman> I'm about to
[03:18] <toran> Riddell: installed that, and I'm still getting the error
[03:18] <spanglesontoast> ok well at least you didn't have to wait 10 hours to sort it lol
[03:18] <reka> confuser: sure
[03:18] <confuser> thanks
[03:18] <dooglus> is there a 'gnome' PDF viewer?
[03:19] <gwm> How do I manage which services should or should not start when I boot?
[03:19] <reka> dooglus: gnome-gv
[03:19] <tritium> dooglus, check out evince
[03:19] <dooglus> Munkey: ubuntu's GRUB loader trashed my laptop.  I had to go back to lilo to be able to boot anything at all.
[03:19] <spanglesontoast> oh
[03:19] <floater_> reka: 0000:01:00.0 VGA Compatible Controller Matrox inc and some numbers
[03:19] <spanglesontoast> ottoman
[03:19] <Munkey> arg
[03:19] <dooglus> reka, tritium: thanks
[03:19] <spanglesontoast> remember the filename is .asoundrc
[03:19] <Munkey> so i cant use ubuntu on my laptop?
[03:20] <reka> floater_: "MGA XXX" where XXX is G650, G750 or Parhelia?
[03:20] <floater_> G200
[03:20] <confuser> i dont see my fat32 (windows) partition on "place > computer" are they gone or ... ?
[03:20] <Riddell> toran: might need to set --with-qt-headers=/usr/include/qt3  (check exact wording)
[03:20] <reka> dooglus: i've tried others but always come back to xpdf though
[03:20] <floater_> reka: G200 AGP (rev 01)
[03:21] <Ottoman> spanglesontoast, done
[03:21] <reka> confuser: http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[03:21] <toran> still getting the error
[03:21] <Ottoman> pm me maybe, it's easier
[03:21] <spanglesontoast> ok
[03:21] <Ottoman> :)
[03:21] <toran> Riddell: by the way, it seems that libqt3-dev and kdelibs4-dev are mutually exclusive
[03:21] <anatole> i have a question: hungarian words with accents do not show.. setting the locale on latin2 did not solve it, plus, setting locales to any other than en_US is a horror
[03:21] <reka> floater_: hmm, not sure.  i would've recommended this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto, but i'm not sure if your card is supported.
[03:22] <dooglus> reka: I don't like gnome-gv much
[03:22] <dooglus> tritium: I can't find evince
[03:22] <tritium> dooglus, it's in universe
[03:23] <Amaranth> evince has replaced gpdf in breezy
[03:23] <confuser> i am not familiar with the desktop opetarion, is this gnome that cause it ?
[03:23] <anatole> i mean i have filenames like this: 03 - J??lia nem akar a f??ld??n j??rni (Nap??leon Boulevard).mp3
[03:23] <confuser> operation
[03:23] <dooglus> ok, here's something I don't understand...
[03:23] <dooglus> $ dpkg -l '*evince*'
[03:23] <Amaranth> anatole: the file's name wasn't utf-8
[03:23] <dooglus> No packages found matching *evince*.
[03:23] <Amaranth> dooglus: apt-cache search evince
[03:23] <dooglus> according to dpkg, no packages have "evince" in their name
[03:24] <Amaranth> dooglus: dpkg only shows what you have installed
[03:24] <dooglus> Amaranth: I don't think so - it shows me some stuff I don't have installed, too
[03:24] <anatole> Amaranth: it wasn't... should it be? is there no way to show letters with accents?
[03:24] <Amaranth> anatole: utf-8 supports pretty much every language you can think of ;)
[03:24] <Amaranth> anatole: you just need to rename the file, it should be in utf-8 after that
[03:24] <dooglus> Amaranth: for instance, "dpkg -l kde" shows:
[03:24] <dooglus> un  kde            <none>         (no description available)
[03:25] <floater_> reka: I can't install linux headers for now so I can't install that :i (no network) What if I try just choose 'vga' ?
[03:25] <spanglesontoast> http://pastebin.com/293254 help me with my gnome problem
[03:25] <dooglus> I have never installed kde on ubuntu, yet dpkg -l shows it
[03:25] <Amaranth> dooglus: don't know about that, i just know that you should use apt-cache search
[03:25] <reka> floater_: i haven't been following you're problem.  you're saying you can't start X?
[03:25] <anatole> Amaranth: yay thanks
[03:25] <tritium> dooglus, make sure you have universe enabled, and then use apt-cache search to look for it
[03:26] <anatole> the problem is that i have to do this with every friiggin file from windows -_-
[03:26] <confuser> i am not familiar with the desktop opetarion, is this gnome that cause it ?
[03:26] <dooglus> apt-cache works fine - thanks for that.  but what I'm trying to understand is why dpkg -l shows some stuff and not other stuff
[03:26] <Einhoernchen> !seen mindspin
[03:26] <tritium> dooglus, it only shows installed packages
[03:27] <floater_> reka: yea, can't start x.. after installation of kubuntu when I tried to startx it said 'unable to load module glide' then I tried to reconfigure xserver-xorg and changed glide to mga but now it says 'cannot find mga_hal' . Could I choose just 'vga' instead?
[03:27] <dooglus> tritium: it shows some packages that I've never installed, too.  like 'kde' for example (see above)
[03:27] <tritium> dooglus, dpkg -l | grep kde should return nothing if you haven't installed it
[03:27] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: it appears to be trying to start icewm ....
[03:28] <spanglesontoast> why?
[03:28] <dooglus> tritium: dpkg -l | grep kde returns nothing, but dpkg -l '*kde*' returns a few lines.
[03:28] <reka> floater_: yes i'd try vga.  at least you might be able to log in.  note that using reconfigure isn't that great an idea.  it tends to stuff up you're xorg file.  it's better to edit xorg.conf directly, making backups of course.
[03:28] <spanglesontoast> it's only started to do that after I had install americas army
[03:28] <tritium> dooglus, read the man page for dpkg for correct usage
[03:29] <dooglus> tritium: it says:               dpkg -l | --list package-name-pattern ...
[03:29] <dooglus>                   List packages matching given pattern.
[03:29] <floater_> what you mean stuff up ?
[03:29] <dooglus> so dpkg -l '*kde*' is correct usage, isn't it?
[03:29] <thoreauputic> reka: your recommendation flies in the face of all received Debian wisdom :)
[03:30] <reka> floater_: adds a lot of stuff that clutters it up.
[03:30] <reka> thoreauputic: heh, perhaps i should have added "IMHO". :-)
[03:31] <ian> hello ppl.. what does .a files in linux?
[03:31] <dooglus> ian: it's a static library
[03:31] <confuser> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t vfat -o umask=000 mounts my fat32 partition#1, how we mounts #2 partiton ? please help
[03:32] <ian> dooglus: i have compiled one.. where will i put this one?
[03:32] <dooglus> ian: more generally, it's an "ar" archive.  run "ar t file.a" to see a list of its contents
[03:32] <spanglesontoast> back
[03:32] <dooglus> ian: being a static library, it has to be used at compile time.  are you going to compile something that needs that library?
[03:34] <ian> dooglus: ic... i want to compiled kiax and it says it needs to have the iaxclient..so i compiled it..i both succesfully compiled it.. but an error occured.
[03:34] <ian> ian@ubuntu:~/Desktop/kiax/iaxclient$ kiax
[03:34] <ian> Qt: Locales not supported on X server
[03:34] <ian> Wed Jun 1 21:34:30 2005 Using IAXClient ver. CVS-2005/06/01-20:21
[03:34] <ian> Wed Jun 1 21:34:30 2005 IaxWrapper::iaxc_initialize() result = -1
[03:34] <ian> Error message:cannot initialize iaxclient!
[03:34] <ian> Exitting application. Possible reason: Device initialization failed.
[03:34] <tritium> ian, please don't paste
[03:35] <ian> tritium: sorry.. :( im new.. it wont happen again..
[03:35] <tritium> ian, no problem :)
[03:35] <spanglesontoast> what's the name of sessions manager
[03:35] <spanglesontoast> for gnome
[03:36] <ian> dooglus: what do you think what's wrong? :(
[03:36] <herpes> spanglesontoast, gnome-session-properties??
[03:36] <selinium> how do i change the password of a remote root with SSH?
[03:36] <phend> hi all. i've just created a patch for something, then applied it with patch -p1 filename < patchname
[03:36] <phend> but i need to undo it, does anyone know the command?
[03:37] <abelli> ciao everybody.
[03:37] <spanglesontoast> ah
[03:37] <spanglesontoast> ty
[03:37] <abelli> does airport xtreme work with linux?
[03:37] <Amaranth> phend: this probably isn't it, but maybe turn the < into a >? :)
[03:37] <thoreauputic> abelli: no
[03:37] <Amaranth> phend: make sure to back up the file first ;)
[03:37] <Amaranth> no, wait
[03:37] <Amaranth> don't do that
[03:37] <dooglus> ian: I don't know, sorry.
[03:37] <abelli> thoreauputic: ouueeeeeeeeeeeeee
[03:37] <reka> herpes: er, nice nick. :-)
[03:37] <phend> Amaranth, not sure about that. i remember the command a long time ago, but forgot it now
[03:37] <abelli> thoreauputic: will ever?
[03:38] <herpes> reka, thanks
[03:38] <ian> dooglus : no probs..
[03:38] <thoreauputic> abelli: some people are working on it - but broadcom won't co-operate
[03:38] <dooglus> ian: what is iax?
[03:38] <thoreauputic> abelli: http://linux-bcom4301.sourceforge.net/
[03:39] <abelli> thoreauputic: thx
[03:39] <ian> dooglus: its a voip protocol.. i need a softphone..
[03:39] <dooglus> ok.
[03:39] <dooglus> ian: did you install the iaxclient after making it?
[03:40] <podge> thoreauputic, Basically don't buy Broadcom..
[03:40] <Munkey> is LILO on the Ubuntu distro?
[03:40] <thoreauputic> podge: basically, yes
[03:40] <reka> confuser: change the source to /dev/hda2 perhaps for the second partition?
[03:40] <ian> it there any one who nows..a ubuntu package.. that is an softphone that support iax protocol VOIP..
[03:40] <thoreauputic> podge: but I have an iBook G4 , so I'm out of luck....
[03:40] <podge> thoreauputic, These companies have users asking them for support.. and they throw it in their faces.. quick way to go out of business..
[03:40] <herpes> Munkey, yes, but it is not the default boot loader
[03:41] <spanglesontoast> hey
[03:41] <Munkey> how do i make it the default boot loader/
[03:41] <spanglesontoast> how can I stop the error I get
[03:41] <spanglesontoast> when trying to start gnome
[03:41] <podge> thoreauputic, Yeah.. Understood. Hopefully the Linux driver hackers get it working soon!
[03:41] <thoreauputic> podge: I think the problem is they see Linux as a tiny market, so they don't care
[03:42] <podge> thoreauputic, Which in turn gives their competitors the sale..
[03:42] <thoreauputic> podge: indeed
[03:42] <thoreauputic> self-fulfilling prophecy...
[03:43] <podge> thoreauputic, Why should they even consider supporting a Mac? The market is tiny compared to Windows..
[03:43] <Munkey> herpes: how do i make LILO the default boot loader?
[03:43] <thoreauputic> podge: which still doesn't excuse the secrecy
[03:43] <spanglesontoast> what's this mean
[03:43] <spanglesontoast> /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: running: /usr/bin/X11/sessreg -a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x "/var/lib/gdm/:0.Xservers" -h "" -l ":0" "edd"
[03:43] <tritium> podge, that's their same logic for not supporting linux
[03:43] <Amaranth> It's easier to make a driver for a mac then it is for linux.
[03:43] <podge> thoreauputic, That is the wrong thinking though.. A tiny amount of R&D budget to develop Linux drivers would satisfy the Linux community..
[03:44] <thoreauputic> podge: you are preaching to the converted here ;)
[03:44] <tritium> podge, they need to be convinced that there's a large enough market to make that investment profitable
[03:45] <thoreauputic> tritium: chicken & egg - "the market is too small" - but if the drivers etc were available the market would be bigger.. and so on
[03:46] <Amaranth> They can't just make one linux driver and leave it. They have to make one for each 2.6.x release and possibly one for each distro. Either that or they have to create a wrapper around the kernel that they update for every version and make it open source so the end-user can build it.
[03:46] <podge> tritium, The amount of money they stand to gain from an exercise such as Linux driver development would be large enough..
[03:46] <tritium> podge, I don't think that they are convinced of that yet, or they'd be doing it.
[03:46] <podge> tritium, Essentially ATI was hung out to dry in regards to Linux because Nvidia wrote good drivers..
[03:47] <toxicfum1> why is it that linux programs don't come compiled?
[03:47] <tritium> I'm not arguing with you, it's just a matter of convincing them.
[03:47] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: as far as I know, Broadcom won't even release specs so people can write an open source driver?
[03:47] <thoreauputic> toxicfum1: most of them do !
[03:47] <tritium> thoreauputic, yep, I know what you mean
[03:47] <confuser> reka: thanks for your support :)
[03:47] <herpes> Munkey, i dont know. How bout you install it if you have a working system and see what happens or you could google for an answer or look at the wiki or forums
[03:47] <podge> tritium, Send them the occassional email explaining that you didn't buy their products because they don't support Linux..
[03:47] <toxicfum1> thoreauputic: a lot of them dont :/
[03:47] <reka> confuser: did it work?
[03:48] <thoreauputic> toxicfum1: which program did you want?
[03:48] <klima> hallo
[03:48] <klima> little problem...
[03:48] <klima> there's anyone that can help me?
[03:48] <toxicfum1> thoreauputic: i wanted to install my intel wireless card's drivers
[03:49] <thoreauputic> klima: just ask - don't ask to ask
[03:49] <podge> tritium, What do you think make Nvidia release Linux display drivers?
[03:49] <toxicfum1> and it's all .c and .h files
[03:49] <Munkey> thats the problem, i dont have a working system :/
[03:50] <Munkey> oh bugger it, i'll just stick to XP
[03:50] <Munkey> cheers for the help folks
[03:50] <klima> I have integrated video card, intel extreme graphic 2 with 865G chipset, and syncmaster 710V lcd screen but it don't work with native resolution ,1280x1024
[03:50] <Mez> Whats the easiest way to be able to play .mov files in linux
[03:51] <tritium> podge, like I said, I don't disagree with you
[03:51] <confuser> not yet. hd2 is for hardisk/ide 2 i thinks. i try to mount extended partition (drive d: on windows)
[03:51] <klima> any ideas?
[03:51] <kpanic> hi people, is there parted in ubuntu live ppc with hfs support?
[03:52] <podge> tritium, I think it is more about Redhat, Novell, IBM etc pressuring Broadcom.. hmmm...
[03:52] <shido> anyone remember how to change every file in a directory from buzz45454 to buzz54545.tar ? (2000 fils)
[03:52] <podge> for each in *
[03:52] <podge> do
[03:52] <shido> qparted?
[03:53] <podge> mv $each $each.tar
[03:53] <podge> done
[03:53] <shido> qtparted?
[03:53] <carthik> What are all the different cron files for?
[03:53] <carthik> How can I use them?
[03:53] <kpanic> shido, yeah or qtparted
[03:53] <carthik> isn't crontab -e good enough?
[03:53] <kpanic> shido, parted or qtparted
[03:53] <thoreauputic> podge: that just renames them without tarring them, doesn't ti?
[03:53] <thoreauputic> *it
[03:54] <shido> podge close
[03:54] <Biff> thoreauputic: yep
[03:54] <kpanic> shido, there is?
[03:55] <podge> thoreauputic, Isn't that what he asked? ....
[03:55] <reka> Mez: (1) - add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main to your sources.list (2) apt-get update (3) apt-get install w32 codecs (4) comment out the marillat repo (5) apt-get update
[03:55] <podge> shido, tar -cf $each.tar $each
[03:55] <shido> no
[03:55] <thoreauputic> podge: not sure that's what he meant though
[03:55] <shido> I dont want to tar them
[03:55] <iratsu> how do i disactivate broadcast mode on eth0?
[03:55] <shido> I just want to add *.tar to the end
[03:55] <podge> shido, Hahah.
[03:55] <thoreauputic> ah ok
[03:55] <shido> they are already tarred
[03:56] <podge> shido, Yeah.. so what I wrote initially would work..
[03:56] <podge> thoreauputic, maybe? :)
[03:56] <thoreauputic> podge: I think so
[03:56] <shido> podge they looklike attachment.phpattachmentid355865
[03:56] <shido> $each is going to do that?
[03:57] <novaflare> any one here useing ipv6 over nat on ubuntu with out tspc client?
[03:57] <novaflare> need to know what to use for ubuntu command wise
[03:57] <thoreauputic> shido: $each is just a shorthand - you could equally use $i or whatever
[03:57] <podge> shido, Yep.. because the for loop substitutes each filename with $each..
[03:58] <podge> thoreauputic, Single letter variables reminds me of a guys code that I have to maintain at work.. :)
[03:58] <novaflare> like is it ip tunnel add ipv6tb mode sit remote 216.218.201.174 ttl 255 or is it (im thinking this one>>>)ifconfig sit0 up
[03:58] <dooglus> can I get nautilus to just play an mp3 file when I click on it, without the "visualisation" thing?  I don't particularly need a gui at all, just want to listen to the mp3 file
[03:58] <Hajuu> nautilus playing an mp3 file?
[03:59] <Hajuu> learn something new every day
[03:59] <dooglus> Hajuu: using some external app, I guess, but yes
[03:59] <thoreauputic> podge: I'm not recommending it, merely making an observation :)
[03:59] <thoreauputic> podge: I agree each/$each is much better :)
[03:59] <podge> thoreauputic, haha.. then there is the other guy that takes advantage of the 255 limit for var names.. :)
[03:59] <thoreauputic> podge: *groan*
[04:00] <reka> dooglus: that's nautilus launching the default media player: totem
[04:00] <reka> Hajuu: well, it can preview it if you hover on it! :-)
[04:01] <dooglus> reka: so I guess I either want to turn off the pretty graphics in totem (can I?) or change the default media player for mp3 files in nautilus (can I?)
[04:01] <thoreauputic> reka: assuming you have "sox" installed
[04:01] <reka> dooglus: yes and yes.
[04:01] <reka> :-)
[04:01] <thoreauputic> dooglus: right click, properties, open with
[04:02] <reka> dooglus: eidt->prefs in totem.  or right-click->properties->open-with in nautilus.
[04:02] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I can do that, but it doesn't seem to offer me any option to "always use this app by default in future"
[04:02] <reka> dooglus: click on the radio button for the desired default.
[04:02] <Hajuu> I just installed the flash plugin for firefox through the firefox extension downloader app thingie.. and my flash animations dont have sound.. why could that be?
[04:03] <ian> how can i change my resolution ? when i go to screen resolution there is only 2 option 800x600 and 640x480..i want to have a higher resol..
[04:03] <thoreauputic> dooglus: properties, open with , add, check the one you want
[04:03] <dooglus> reka: I've turned off the graphics in totem, but the gui is still huge - there's just a big grey area where the graphics used to be.  can't you get rid of that bit altogether?
[04:04] <reka> Hajuu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24509
[04:04] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I can see "open with", but not "add"
[04:04] <thoreauputic> dooglus: "properties" at the bottom - choose the "open with" tab
[04:04] <reka> dooglus: afaik no.  it's more of a movie player after all.   try a dedicated music player like beep-media-player
[04:05] <thoreauputic> dooglus: I think you are in the wrong dialog
[04:05] <dooglus> reka: I can't see how to get nautilus to change its default - but thoreauputic is helping me with this.
[04:05] <selinium> Any rsync users about?
[04:05] <thoreauputic> dooglus: after right click, go to the bottom entry (properties)
[04:05] <Hajuu> sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesd.so.1
[04:05] <Hajuu> ok
[04:05] <reka> ian: running hoary?
[04:05] <Hajuu> whats that doing?
[04:06] <dooglus> thoreauputic: ok.  i see.  that seems to have hung nautilus though
[04:06] <ian> reka: yup..
[04:06] <reka> ian: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:06] <reka> Hajuu: did it work?
[04:07] <Hajuu> reka:  I make a habit not do run anything I don't know what its doing anymore.. since I screwed some stuff up when I first installed heh
[04:07] <dooglus> the icons have disappeared from the desktop, and none of the 'places' menu entries do anything any more :(
[04:07] <DarkraD-> hello, who know how to switch language on ubuntu 5.04?
[04:07] <thoreauputic> dooglus: hmm - odd
[04:07] <DarkraD-> i downloaded and installed all packages from translation repository
[04:07] <ian> reka: what do i next? :)
[04:07] <dooglus> thoreauputic: half an hour ago it told me that nautilus had crashed and asked if I wanted to inform the developers.  but then it got better again.
[04:08] <reka> ian: look for Section "Screen"
[04:08] <dooglus> this time it's just stopped - no question about informing the developers
[04:08] <Hajuu> another question
[04:08] <jeroen_> DarkraD-, log out, change language settings, log in
[04:08] <Hajuu> is there an easy way to change the default file explorer from nautilus?
[04:08] <thoreauputic> dooglus: I use rox filer here, mostly (I don't like nautilus much and I'm currently using fluxbox, not gnome)
[04:08] <seaPig|wrk> selinium, login -> change password ???
[04:08] <DarkraD-> where is language settings? =)
[04:09] <DarkraD-> *are
[04:09] <ian> reko: found.. there are many subsection.. what will i do with this?
[04:09] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I've never liked gnome much.  First impressions with ubuntu were that finally it was stable, but it seems not to be the case really.
[04:09] <Ottoman> hey, my resolution changed after quake 3 crashed, and nog 3/4 of my screen is black
[04:09] <jeroen_> DarkraD-, log out, click language, select your favorite language, log in again
[04:09] <reka> can you seen the lines that look something like this:             Modes           "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[04:09] <Ottoman> nog=now
[04:10] <thoreauputic> dooglus: it's OK - I'm happier with fluxbox or xfce4 personally
[04:10] <iratsu> how do i disactivate broadcast mode on eth0?
[04:10] <reka> Hajuu: it's making a symbolic link to the right sound plugin
[04:10] <thoreauputic> xfce4 is nice if you want a DE
[04:10] <ian> reka: this one?
[04:10] <ian> 	SubSection "Display"
[04:10] <ian> 		Depth		1
[04:10] <ian> 		Modes		"800x600" "640x480"
[04:10] <ian> 	EndSubSection
[04:11] <reka> ian: don't paste > 2 lines, but yes
[04:11] <reka> ian: what res do you want to have as default?
[04:11] <ian> reka: 1024x768
[04:11] <sylone> Hi@all. I had a dummy question. Is in ubuntu the most as in debian. I mean such as "dpkg-reconfigure" or "apt-get install"?
[04:12] <reka> ian: then change all the lines to Modes  "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480".
[04:12] <jeroen_> sylone, yes
[04:12] <thoreauputic> sylone: yes, debian commands work the same
[04:12] <reka> ian: save the document, reboot and you're done.
[04:12] <jeroen_> ian, no need to reboot, just restart X
[04:12] <jeroen_> ian, ctrl-alt-backspace
[04:12] <sylone> jeroen_: Thanks
[04:12] <sylone> thoreauputic: Thanks
[04:12] <tritium> ian, you might try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" rather than editing your xorg.conf file by hand first
[04:12] <reka> jeroen_: ah, good catch.  ctrl+alt+backspace?
[04:12] <jeroen_> reka, yes
[04:13] <jeroen_> reka, although that's not the nicest way of shutting down X
[04:13] <jeroen_> reka, it's also usefull when your system freezes, because it might be "just X"
[04:13] <podge> logout should restart X..
[04:13] <sylone> Ok, then my last idiot question. What is with the root password? Is there any defaults. I cant remember that i have enter it on the installation
[04:14] <reka> jeroen_: interesting. thanks.
[04:14] <jeroen_> sylone, http://www.ubuntu.com/support/documentation/faq/root
[04:14] <DarkraD> i don't have any language button
[04:14] <jeroen_> DarkraD, do you use Kubuntu?
[04:14] <Shuddertrix> sylone: jeroen_'s link, read that. If you really want root to be able to login, sudo passwd root
[04:14] <sylone> jeroen_: Thank you, again
[04:14] <DarkraD> ya
[04:15] <thoreauputic> sylone: by default, Ubuntu uses sudo in preference to root
[04:15] <Shuddertrix> DarkraD: Most of the Ubuntu things are different for Kubuntu..
[04:15] <DarkraD> ic
[04:15] <jeroen_> DarkraD, Kubuntu uses another login system, kdm. I don't know it. Ask again here, or ask on #kubuntu
[04:15] <sylone> Shuddertrix: I need root to do a dpkg-reconfigure
[04:15] <Micksa> are there people with reasonably good kernel knowledge here?
[04:15] <jeroen_> sylone, sudo dpkg-reconfigure
[04:15] <Micksa> or should I just jump straight to #ubuntu-devel? :)
[04:15] <Shuddertrix> sylone: sudo dpkg-reconfigure
[04:16] <Micksa> my inspiron 6000 doesn't want to work. kernel won't init the hard drive
[04:16] <Micksa> something about 0x1f0-0x1f7 being taken, by libata, even though I can't seem to find the drive under any other guise.
[04:16] <DarkraD> ya jeroen_, kde is there
[04:17] <Micksa> anyone?
[04:17] <jeroen_> DarkraD, can't help you with kdm. Ask someone else
[04:17] <Micksa> anyone?
[04:18] <sylone> Is that the recommandation? Sudo to the command and not work as root?
[04:18] <jeroen_> sylone, yes, or sudo -s
[04:18] <thoreauputic> sylone: yes - use your user password with sudo
[04:18] <bigjb-> anyone any luck installing tor from the noreply sources on 5.04? Im getting a gpg error
[04:19] <thoreauputic> sylone: jeroen_ 's command will get you a root shell
[04:19] <jeroen_> bigjb-, that's because it's not authenticated
[04:19] <bigjb-> arse
[04:20] <sylone> Thank you all guys for your help, you're greate to me ;-)
[04:20] <sylone> Bye and greetings from black forrest, germany
[04:20] <bigjb-> can i override the gpg check at all?
[04:22] <ian> thanks guys.. my resolution was changed.. :)
[04:22] <jeroen_> sylone, hercynic woods?
[04:22] <leonel> Anyone with ubuntu as a Produccition  www/dns/mail/database server   how it goes  knowing that ubuntu is desktop oriented ?
[04:22] <carthik> So what are the different crons for?
[04:22] <carthik> How do I use them?
[04:22] <carthik> Sorry I've had to repeat myself :)
[04:22] <iratsu> how do i disactivate broadcast mode on eth0?
[04:23] <reka> ian: good work
[04:23] <sylone> jeroen_: What for woods?
[04:23] <ian> how do i kill a process..like my XMMS hangs..
[04:23] <ian> reka: thanks..
[04:24] <reka> ian: killall xmms.  if xmms is hanging, try changing the output plugn to esound
[04:24] <reka> also, check out beep-media-player. IMHO it's cleaner and nicer.
[04:24] <ian> reka: how do i do that?
[04:25] <reka> ian: open a terminal apps->sys tools
[04:25] <reka> and type "killall xmms" (w/o quotes)
[04:25] <ian> reka: yes..finish..i mean "try changing the output plugn to esound" how do i do that?
[04:26] <Shuddertrix> yeah, bmp is cleaner no matter what, it uses the same themes but with gtk2 instead of xmms' gtk1
[04:26] <podge> Can someone visit the www.sun.com site.. my X.org goes through the roof CPU wise whenever I hit the site.. anyone else got the problem?
[04:26] <reka> ian: preferences : plugins: output or something like that.  change it from oss to esound
[04:27] <underdog> podge: no problems ehre
[04:27] <reka> Shuddertrix: yes, but most people only know xmms which is a shame.
[04:27] <BuzW> G'morning all.
[04:27] <podge> underdog, scroll over the pictures..
[04:27] <ian> reka: thanks! it works now..
[04:27] <reka> sure
[04:27] <underdog> nothing at all
[04:28] <jeroen_> sylone, the black forrest, Germany, I think it was called the Hercynic wood in the Roman times.
[04:28] <BuzW> Very, very newbie here. I'm trying to install a product, but it appears I don't have a valid C compiler in my path. Where is the C compiler located and why isn't it automagically put in my path?
[04:28] <podge> underdog, Something stuff with me.. thanks for checking!!
[04:28] <underdog> np mn
[04:28] <Shuddertrix> BuzW: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:28] <Shuddertrix> BuzW: What "product"
[04:29] <BuzW> X3270
[04:29] <sylone> jeroen_: I dont know ;-)
[04:29] <jeroen_> podge, pictures are freaking slow here @ sun.com
[04:29] <scorpix> j #rosseta
[04:30] <BuzW> Shuddertrix, I'm installing X3270
[04:30] <Shuddertrix> BuzW: Enable the extra repositories (look on the Ubuntu Guide @ ubuntuguide.org,) then run
[04:30] <thoreauputic> wtf is X3270 ?
[04:30] <Shuddertrix> BuzW: sudo apt-get install x3270
[04:30] <Shuddertrix> thoreauputic: IBM 3270 terminal emulator, it seems.
[04:30] <thoreauputic> ah
[04:31] <thoreauputic> :)
[04:31] <Shuddertrix> Hark, young one, for I too used that book with shame.
[04:32] <Shuddertrix> Look at me now, using metasearching to my own home advantage.
[04:32] <dominik> does anybody here play soldier of fortune?
[04:33] <Shuddertrix> dominik: I played that a long time ago.
[04:33] <Yully> hola
[04:33] <Luisita> dque ha pasado
[04:33] <dominik> ah can you say me, what i should do that it saves my save-games and configs?
[04:34] <Yully> m tienen hasta la coronilla
[04:34] <Shuddertrix> dominik: I don't know, it's been a long time
[04:34] <dominik> ok
[04:34] <dominik> hmm
[04:34] <Luisita> a ti sola, ya yo estoy estresada
[04:34] <Yully> luisaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa vamos a ponernos a vender panelitas d GNU/Linux
[04:34] <morita02_> yuliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[04:34] <morita02_> quiero reallllllllllllllllllll
[04:34] <thoreauputic> guys, #ubuntu-es or wherever
[04:34] <Yully> jajajajaja
[04:34] <morita02_> que bolas tiene maira chama
[04:34] <Yully> yo tambien
[04:35] <reka> hehe.  i understood that
[04:35] <morita02_> le hace falta vitamina GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
[04:35] <Luisita> yo tambien quiero plata
[04:35] <Yully> hay chama quiero acsinarla
[04:35] <morita02_> GUEVOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[04:35] <Shuddertrix> reka: me too...
[04:35] <morita02_> eso es lo que le hace falta
[04:35] <underdog> Yully, morita02_, Luisita vo mamar e calem-se putas
[04:35] <reka> where's tritium gone off to?
[04:35] <Yully> yo quiero plata y trabajo
[04:35] <thoreauputic> please, ops will be invoked in a minute...
[04:35] <Yully> chamos somos unos gafos!!!
[04:35] <BuzW> Shuddertrix, I tried the apt-get install X3270, but it tells me Couldn't find package. Total newbie here. Where's a good place to read how to setup my environment after initial install?
[04:35] <Luisita> para que ministerio nos toca irnos hoy?
[04:35] <reka> Shuddertrix: only from that y tu movie. :-)
[04:36] <podge> jeroen_, Yep.. it slows the X server down HEAPS!!!
[04:36] <Shuddertrix> BuzW: ubuntuguide.org
[04:36] <Shuddertrix> BuzW: Read on adding extra repositories
[04:36] <morita02_> putas ustedes
[04:36] <morita02_> todas
[04:36] <jeroen_> podge, on my system it isn't that bad
[04:36] <BuzW> Shuddertrix: Thanks.
[04:36] <morita02_> portugues del coo
[04:36] <Yully> mira portugues hedeondo deja el pegue
[04:36] <Shuddertrix> BuzW: Once that it done, make sure you ran 'sudo apt-get update' then run 'sudo apt-get install x3270
[04:36] <thoreauputic> amaranth, +q on languages needed?
[04:37] <Shuddertrix> BuzW: Make sure the "x" is not capitilized.
[04:37] <Yully> pa el ministerio de Gafos y Tecnologia
[04:37] <morita02_> esooooooooooooo
[04:37] <morita02_> la elegida
[04:37] <morita02_> jijjiooooooo
[04:37] <Amaranth> Guys, this is an English only channel. Please go to #ubuntu-es for Spanish chat (or if that's portugese the channel for it).
[04:37] <morita02_> LA FUERTE CANDIDATA
[04:37] <morita02_> AL REINADO DEL MINISTERIO DE CIENCIA Y TECNOLOGIAQ
[04:37] <podge> jeroen_, Well.. it comes back after a little bit.. Something to have a look at.. Thanks for checking..
[04:37] <reka> lol.
[04:37] <podge> Talk again soon people..
[04:38] <reka> now you guys are in for it.
[04:38] <Amaranth> channel ban list is full...
[04:38] <Shuddertrix> Somebody should translate that.
[04:38] <Guerin> Yo. Does ubuntu's default install run a sshd?
[04:38] <Yully> miren a PP
[04:38] <Shuddertrix> Guerin: no
[04:38] <Amaranth> Guerin: No
[04:38] <Yully> jajaja
[04:38] <Shuddertrix> Guerin: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[04:38] <Guerin> ok. Is running it as simple as doing sudo invoke-rc.d ssh?
[04:38] <Amaranth> there
[04:39] <Shuddertrix> Guerin: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[04:39] <Guerin> ok, need to be installed first
[04:39] <iratsu> anyone here know how i can disactivate broadcast mode on eth0?
[04:39] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: thanks, it was getting a bit out of hand...
[04:39] <Guerin> will it run by default once installed?
[04:39] <Shuddertrix> yeah, then it will be configured to start up automatically and then it should start up
[04:39] <reka> \0/ thanks Amaranth
[04:39] <Guerin> awesome
[04:39] <Amaranth> bob2: PING?
[04:39] <Guerin> i have a mate whose ubuntu install failed to set up X and he's utterly lost
[04:39] <Shuddertrix> Guerin: If not, sudo /etc/init.d/sshd start
[04:39] <Shuddertrix> Guerin: I believe that is the right command, at least
[04:39] <carthik> Guerin was that a laptop?
[04:40] <carthik> Shuddertrix, it does start up by default :)
[04:40] <Guerin> carthik: nope, desktop. No idea on the spec though
[04:40] <Shuddertrix> carthik: You never know :)
[04:40] <carthik> Guerin,  for adding startup scripts, you can use update-rc.d  too
[04:40] <carthik> Guerin, ask him to check if the BIOS has the proper setting for the amount of videoram on the chip
[04:40] <iiki> anyone know much about other distros of linux?
[04:41] <iiki> pref gentoo
[04:41] <Guerin> carthik: yeah, I know about init; i just need to know if I can login and change shit. Does ubuntu use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to make an xserver work?
[04:41] <Yully> yul esta kllada
[04:41] <Yully> de pana
[04:41] <carthik> Guerin, failing which, he may need to use a custom install command, depend on the model, to account for hardware issues?
[04:41] <Shuddertrix> Yully: /join #ubuntu-es
[04:41] <carthik> Guerin, yeah, that is a way to reconfigure it
[04:41] <Shuddertrix> Yully: /part #ubuntu
[04:41] <Guerin> carthik: naw, he's already installed; the x server worked fine with the livecd, just the install which isn't working.
[04:42] <Luisita> si y se nos queda viendo a veces
[04:42] <carthik> iiki, #gentoo would be a good place to ask :)
[04:42] <carthik> Guerin, try reconfiguring it
[04:42] <Yully> si d pana tu tambien lo has visto!!!
[04:42] <Luisita> si
[04:42] <carthik> or just save the xorg.conf from the livecd and use that with xorg after the install :)
[04:42] <Luisita> tambien es que todos estamos serios
[04:42] <thoreauputic> Luisita: Yully , you have seen what already happened - please speak english or go elsewhere
[04:43] <reka> Amaranth: ping
[04:43] <Guerin> carthik: yeah, I can reconfigure an X server alright; just need to know what I'm working with. Cheers :)
[04:43] <thoreauputic> bob2: ping
[04:43] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[04:43] <Yully> a eso si d pana!!!
[04:43] <Yully> yo no c
[04:43] <roshlame> I give up! Xine keeps giving me this annoying message about missing "audio codec MPEG Layer 2/3", I have installed libmpeg2-4, libavifile and every movie orientated library there is
[04:43] <Amaranth> Seriously guys, you've been warned.
[04:43] <envel> wheris ubuntu-ru channel?
[04:44] <Guerin> carthik: cheers.
[04:44] <roshlame> It's like "No, no, no roshlame you are not supposed to watch avi files on Ubuntu" ;P
[04:44] <Shuddertrix> ingls por favor , ou mais #ubuntu-es (en espanol: ingls por favor o bien #ubuntu-es)
[04:44] <Shuddertrix> Amaranth: That's "english please, or else #ubuntu-es for them. I hope it works.
[04:44] <reka> roshlame: installed w32codecs?
[04:45] <envel> #Ubuntu-ru works=)
[04:45] <reka> Shuddertrix: correct me if i'm wrong but weren't they swearing or something?
[04:45] <roshlame> reka, No ;)
[04:45] <IIIEars>  (going to get flamed cringe) spanish doesn't bother me. - just don't see how we can help if they speak spanish..
[04:45] <Shuddertrix> reka: No, but my spanish/portugeues that I learned is a bit rusty
[04:45] <_luke> how do you enable the root user?
[04:45] <Shuddertrix> IIIEars: I helped them with what I said
[04:46] <roshlame> reka, is it gonna help me?
[04:46] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: the problem is it acts as spam for those who don't speak their language
[04:46] <Yully> saben algo vamos hacer est trab bien pero ya vasta!!!
[04:46] <_luke> how do you enable the root user?
[04:46] <reka> roshlame: i'd say yes. :-)  it pretty mcuh has every vid codec you'll need
[04:46] <Shuddertrix> _luke: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/documentation/faq/root
[04:46] <underdog> Yully: mama mes cojones e cala-te
[04:46] <caonex> underdog: that is wrong.
[04:46] <mindspin> haha thats sounds dirty
[04:47] <underdog> mindspin: i hate spanish people
[04:47] <Yully> your mother!!!
[04:47] <reka> :-)
[04:47] <underdog> lol
[04:47] <roshlame> Oh and apt-get found it! I'm downloading it right away
[04:47] <caonex> yully: mamame los cojones
[04:47] <mindspin> why generalizing?
[04:47] <thoreauputic> underdog: code of conduct, please
[04:47] <roshlame> thank you reka
[04:47] <IIIEars> uhey you guys grow up even i know that much spanish. cajones? - not funny.
[04:47] <reka> sure.
[04:47] <caonex> yully, perdon no era a ti que le iba a decir eso
[04:47] <mindspin> I would never say "Ihate american people"
[04:47] <caonex> yully, me equivoque de apodo.
[04:47] <Yully> ok eso espero!!!
[04:48] <Yully> d dond eres caonex
[04:48] <Shuddertrix> portuguese is #ubuntu-pt
[04:48] <caonex> yully, se lo iba a decir al loco ese
[04:48] <iratsu> anyone here know how i can disactivate broadcast mode on eth0?
[04:48] <caonex> Yully, soy dominicano y tu?
[04:48] <Yully> es q no puedo reproducir mp3 y no puedo como hago!!!
[04:48] <caonex> iratsu, you have it automatic when you boot?
[04:48] <thoreauputic> guys, english please or ops again...
[04:48] <iratsu> caonex: yea
[04:48] <caonex> iratsu, /etc/network/interfaces
[04:49] <caonex> remove dhcp
[04:49] <underdog> thoreauputic: sorry, but their attitude is making me mad
[04:49] <Shuddertrix> Yully: ingls por favor , ou mais #ubuntu-pt (en espanol: ingls por favor o bien #ubuntu-es) : please read what I said!
[04:49] <caonex> iratsu, and add the desired ip address
[04:49] <iratsu> caonex: well no, eth0 isn't actually up when i boot
[04:49] <toxicfum1> can anyone here help me with installation of my intel pro wireless card's drivers please?
[04:49] <IIIEars> Yully - gstreamer-mad will let you listen to mp3's
[04:49] <Shuddertrix> thoreauputic: Shouldn't they be able to read that?
[04:49] <iratsu> caonex: i'm trying to get pppoe working
[04:49] <caonex> yully, private message
[04:49] <thoreauputic> Shuddertrix: I get the impression they don't care...
[04:50] <Yully> no c reproduce no puedo!!!
[04:50] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: bob2: ping again
[04:50] <_luke> how can I give my user account permanent root privilages?
[04:50] <Shuddertrix> it's spanish
[04:51] <mindspin> is there an option to install ubuntu without GUI ?
[04:51] <reka> _luke: sure you want to do that?
[04:51] <Shuddertrix> Yully: ingls por favor o bien #ubuntu-es : english please, or else #ubuntu-es
[04:51] <_luke> yes. I see it as the only way to do what I want
[04:51] <Guerin> ok, does ubuntu have lynx by default? or other non-x tools which can be used to find an ip address
[04:51] <thoreauputic> thank you, Amaranth
[04:51] <_luke> I'll take it off if it doesn't work
[04:51] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[04:51] <Shuddertrix> ignorant spainards.
[04:51] <caonex> iratsu, well you can configure /etc/network/interfaces
[04:51] <Shuddertrix> thanks a lot Amaranth
[04:51] <Guerin> without resorting to a big ifconfig|awk line :)
[04:51] <Shuddertrix> I hurt my brain.
[04:51] <spiderworm> hi all with network-admin when i put in my dns server and hit ok, it changes the dns info from what i put in every time, i have to go into /etc/resolv.conf and manually put in the correct dns server information, does anyone know why it's doing that?
[04:51] <Amaranth> the ban list is packed
[04:52] <Amaranth> i'm going to clean it out
[04:52] <mindspin> ore domreps as far as I recogned
[04:52] <caonex> iratsu, you can do something like iface eth0 <ip>
[04:52] <_luke> reka: do you know how?
[04:52] <Shuddertrix> Anyone have bacta? My head is teh hurting
[04:52] <iratsu> caonex: well the thing is it's not a static ip
[04:52] <reka> _luke: i think there's a way of logging in as root.  giving a particular user permanent root priveleges on the other hand ...
[04:53] <mindspin> is there an option to install ubuntu without GUI ?
[04:53] <caonex> iratsu, eth0 has internet?
[04:53] <Shuddertrix> _luke: You can't give a user the power of root. You, can, however, give root a password (sudo passwd root)
[04:53] <iratsu> caonex: no
[04:53] <Shuddertrix> mindspin: Install with the server setting
[04:54] <iratsu> caonex: trying to get internet working
[04:54] <reka> _luke: there you go.  thanks Shuddertrix .
[04:54] <Amaranth> eek
[04:54] <Guerin> wtf
[04:54] <Amaranth> supposed to group them when removing, stupid xchat
[04:54] <_luke> I need to be able to copy files from this computer onto an ubuntu system through ssh or scp. my root account wont work for that for some reason
[04:54] <Amaranth> Sorry about that guys, the ban list was full.
[04:54] <caonex> ok, if the ip from the internet is not static, you may be better off with dhcp
[04:54] <Amaranth> So I cleaned out the old entries.
[04:54] <Shuddertrix> Amaranth: Whatever helps us to keep banning the other language people.
[04:54] <reka> Amaranth: i agree. no worries.
[04:55] <Shuddertrix> Amaranth: I'll help to translate.. ;)
[04:55] <iratsu> caonex: well probably but i don't think i get to the decide that... the ISP doesn't offer DHCP i think
[04:55] <reka> that was actually the 1st ban i've seen in #ubuntu
[04:55] <caonex> iratsu, it has to offer something because it needs to assign your ip
[04:55] <Shuddertrix> Babelfish does russian!   
[04:55] <iratsu> caonex: well yes... it offers pppoe
[04:56] <Amaranth> either inci_ and aysu just randomly have the same indent or we're about to get bot flooded
[04:56] <thoreauputic> reka: we try to be friendly and reasonable, but sometimes...
[04:56] <iratsu> caonex: but to get that working, i have to disactivate broadcast on eth0
[04:56] <Shuddertrix> that's supposed to be english please, but you know Bablefish's accuracy rate (if not, it's like 2 in 1809922092 million trillion billion
[04:56] <thenuke> http://www.student.oulu.fi/~ipalonen/type-magic_hidcam1.mpeg
[04:56] <_luke> luke@kubuntu:~ $ scp /home/luke/MyPictures/Random-Toons/blawt02.bmp root@ubuntu:/var/www     ---this doesn't work
[04:56] <caonex> iratsu, try doing ifup eth0
[04:56] <toxicfume> can anyone here help me with installation of my intel pro wireless card's drivers please?
[04:57] <_luke> it wont accept my password
[04:57] <iratsu> caonex: ifup: interface eth0 already configured
[04:57] <reka> thoreauputic: yes, i know.  #ubuntu has been great/newbie-friendly from what i've seen.
[04:57] <caonex> iratsu, the broadcast on eth0 is the one to get the ip from the dhcp, is not that is broadcasting dhcp, to my understanding
[04:57] <caonex> iratsu what ip? local? or wan?
[04:58] <dooglus> what package are the openoffice.org templates in?
[04:58] <iratsu> caonex: what do you mean?
[04:58] <xplod> Hi, i tried the live dvd a cupple of minutes ago. But the internet did'nt work. Is i because i have internt netcard?
[04:58] <_luke> luke@kubuntu:~ $ scp /home/luke/MyPictures/Random-Toons/blawt02.bmp root@ubuntu:/var/www   this command wont work, it wont accept my password, any ideas?
[04:59] <Amaranth> _luke: Just cp
[04:59] <dooglus> _luke: are you sure root@ubuntu _has_ a password?
[04:59] <Amaranth> _luke: sudo cp /home/luke/MyPictures/Random-Toons/blawt02.bmp /var/www
[04:59] <Shuddertrix> _luke: sudo cp
[04:59] <_luke> dooglus _yes_
[04:59] <dooglus> _luke: can you "su root" on ubuntu?
[05:00] <othernoob> dooglus sudo -i
[05:00] <_luke> /home/luke/MyPictures...  is remote from the ubuntu system
[05:00] <thoreauputic> _luke: then you need to give the host as well
[05:01] <iratsu> caonex: ?
[05:01] <ian> how can i make thunderbird..when ever i close it..it goes to the upper left corner.. like gaim..
[05:01] <ian> it just shows the icon..
[05:01] <caonex> iratsu, when it says broadcasting whenever you use network-admin
[05:02] <caonex> iratsu, that may be when is trying to obtain an ip address
[05:02] <caonex> iratsu, without broadcast you need to assign a static ip
[05:02] <ian> how can i make thunderbird..when ever i close it..it goes to the upper left corner.. like gaim..it just shows the icon..
[05:03] <iratsu> caonex: well when i run start-pppoe, it says "Warning: Interface eth0 still in Broadcast mode"
[05:03] <envel> inci_ sending a virus
[05:04] <caonex> iratsu, do this first "ifdown eth0", then do it
[05:04] <caonex> iratsu, let us see what happens
[05:04] <iratsu> caonex: well i can't do it right now. I'm actually helping a friend do this because he can't access internet... for obvious reasons
[05:05] <jeroen_> ian, maybe there's a plugin for that
[05:05] <iratsu> caonex: but it apparently needs eth0 to be up for some reason
[05:05] <caonex> iratsu, ok good call, then
[05:05] <iratsu> caonex: http://service.sympatico.ca/index.cfm?method=content.view&category_id=99&content_id=1138
[05:05] <ram_einstein> hey, I just installed ubuntu and I have a problem with a firefox plugin: macromedia flash player
[05:05] <caonex> hmm....one sec
[05:05] <ram_einstein> I downloaded http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&P2_Platform=Linux&P3_Browser_Version=Netscape4
[05:05] <ivoks_> inci_ = spamer
[05:05] <ivoks_> please kick
[05:06] <ram_einstein> please kick inci_
[05:06] <ram_einstein> no ops around?
[05:06] <ivoks_> bob2: ping
[05:06] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: ping re inci_ (spam)
[05:06] <ram_einstein> as I was saying, I installed flash player plugin from that site
[05:06] <bigfoot> how can i change my username in ubuntu?
[05:06] <ram_einstein> but my cound on macromedia movies
[05:07] <ram_einstein> not enough Amaranth
[05:07] <ram_einstein> he can't speak on the channel
[05:07] <ivoks> Amaranth: thank you :)
[05:07] <ram_einstein> but he can msg us privately
[05:07] <Amaranth> he can do that even if i kick him
[05:07] <Fator_Dee> ram_einstein: he can even if banned from the channel
[05:07] <ram_einstein> I don't think you can do anything about it
[05:07] <ram_einstein> ywah
[05:07] <ram_einstein> it's okay
[05:07] <Amaranth> ignore him
[05:07] <ram_einstein> thanks
[05:07] <Fator_Dee> seems like there's quite a lot of trouble in here today :-\
[05:07] <ivoks> Amaranth: ban/kick
[05:07] <ivoks> :)
[05:07] <dooglus> othernoob: I asked whether he could "su root" because that would be a test of whether he really had, and knew, a root password.  "sudo -s" doesn't need a root password to even exist
[05:08] <bigfoot> anyone, Is it possible to edit my username on my ubuntu system?
[05:08] <_luke> I also can't 'sftp root@ubuntu' it just wont accept the root password
[05:08] <ram_einstein> okay, why aren't my flash movies working correctly, no sound?
[05:08] <iratsu> caonex: ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 up -arp is not supposed to put it up on broadcast, right?
[05:08] <FlyingSquirrel32> I seem to consistantly have trouble when installing programs that use SDL. SDL is installed in ubuntu by default, right?
[05:08] <ram_einstein> I installed flash player in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox
[05:08] <dooglus> _luke: what happens if you "su root" on the ubuntu box as a non-root user?
[05:08] <ram_einstein> using the install script
[05:08] <caonex> iratsu, that is what it seems
[05:08] <caonex> iratsu, did you try doing that?
[05:09] <iratsu> caonex: yea we did that
[05:09] <ram_einstein> nobody else has problems with a flash plugin for fireofx?
[05:09] <ram_einstein> *firefox
[05:09] <caonex> hmm....hold on
[05:09] <bigfoot> ram_einstein, i don't
[05:09] <iratsu> ok
[05:09] <Amaranth> ram_einstein: use the package
[05:09] <ivoks> ram_einstein: i had
[05:09] <ivoks> ram_einstein: remove swf-player
[05:09] <ram_einstein> Amaranth, what package?
[05:09] <ivoks> ram_einstein: and everything around it
[05:09] <ram_einstein> I downloaded the tar
[05:09] <ram_einstein> ivoks, the package?
[05:09] <ram_einstein> apt-get remove swf-player?
[05:10] <dooglus> _luke: your best bet probably is to set up a private/public key pair instead of trying to use passwords
[05:10] <ivoks> ram_einstein: yes
[05:10] <ram_einstein> okay, how do I revert what the installer did? read the install script? one sec
[05:11] <ram_einstein> not installed ivoks
[05:11] <Ottoman> hi
[05:11] <ivoks> ram_einstein: then you should be able to use flash normaly
[05:11] <ram_einstein> plugin for firefox ivoks!
[05:11] <ram_einstein> I had to manual install it
[05:12] <ram_einstein> because the auto installer is only for windoz
[05:12] <ram_einstein> and it failed
[05:12] <Ottoman> any Quake 3 players that are able to help me out here?
[05:12] <ivoks> ram_einstein: ?
[05:12] <caonex> iratsu, what ip address has eth0? do ifconfig eth0 to see
[05:12] <ivoks> ram_einstein: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[05:13] <ram_einstein> wait a sec... I have to revert first
[05:13] <ram_einstein> are you sure ivoks? nonfree?
[05:13] <iratsu> caonex: well i can't right now because my friend went out to run an errand
[05:13] <Ottoman> any Quake 3 players that are able to help me out here?
[05:13] <iratsu> caonex: are you going to be online later on though?
[05:13] <dooglus> ram_einstein: I had no luck with flashplugin-nonfree - it hung firefox.  I removed it and installed "flashplayer-mozilla" instead, and that's been fine.
[05:13] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: it's in the multiverse repository
[05:14] <anatole> umm... how do i remove application borders in gnome? i would like a terminal only containing text
[05:14] <ram_einstein> I don't have multiverse repos
[05:14] <ram_einstein> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted
[05:14] <ram_einstein> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[05:14] <ram_einstein> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[05:14] <ram_einstein> that's my sources.list
[05:15] <ram_einstein> sorry for the paste
[05:15] <neighborlee> is any progress being made in ubuntu to enable autoUmount instead of requiring it to be done via the desktop icon ? ;-)
[05:15] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: you have multiverse in that list...
[05:15] <caonex> iratsu, yes, probably
[05:15] <caonex> iratsu, can u ssh?
[05:16] <iratsu> caonex: not if he doesn't have internet =P
[05:16] <ram_einstein> wait a sec! it isn;t symlinked! it's hardlinked
[05:16] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: you don't have security listed: bad idea
[05:16] <caonex> iratsu, oh i see the picture now
[05:16] <caonex> iratsu, you helping him by phone
[05:16] <iratsu> caonex: yea i was
[05:16] <kain> hi there, I know that ubuntu is UTF-8, but I've a problem with charsets in php, if I write some iso-8859-1/15 chars, they appears on web pags as '?', anyone knows how to change this behaviour?
[05:16] <caonex> iratsu, i thought he already had internet but was configuring another interface
[05:17] <ram_einstein> thoreauputic, tell me what to append
[05:17] <iratsu> caonex: no he has no access to internet at all
[05:17] <caonex> iratsu, i know that now ;)
[05:17] <slashzul> how do you restart ubuntuos X login screen when it crashed?
[05:17] <slashzul> its not running xdm or kdm
[05:17] <Fator_Dee> slashzul: ctrl+alt+del ?
[05:18] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: security lines should exist in your default sources.list - you should uncomment those lines
[05:18] <slashzul> it crashed fator
[05:18] <slashzul> im on console
[05:18] <Fator_Dee> oooh
[05:18] <ram_einstein> can anyone tell me what exactly the flashplayer installer script does?
[05:18] <ram_einstein> I really can't read it
[05:18] <Fator_Dee> its /etc/init.d/gdm
[05:18] <ram_einstein> thoreauputic, gone
[05:18] <slashzul> aaaaaaaaaah
[05:18] <slashzul> its gdm
[05:18] <ram_einstein> I don't have the defualt
[05:18] <slashzul> forgot
[05:18] <ram_einstein> all I have is this
[05:18] <iratsu> caonex: i don't know when he's going to be back home, but i'll talk to you later. Thanks a lot for your help
[05:18] <ram_einstein> 3 lines in this sources.list
[05:18] <slashzul> cant tell with all these login start scripts kdm gdm xdm blah blah
[05:19] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: I can show you the lines in /msg or *flood if you wish
[05:19] <thoreauputic> #flood
[05:19] <neighborlee> ram_einstein, it allows you to play flash content at websites, but it can also be installed on 'some'webistes automagically ;-)
[05:20] <caonex> iratsu, no need to think i wish i could have done more
[05:20] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: /join #flood
[05:20] <jonas-r> From???
[05:21] <ironwolf> Have hoary CD's shipped yet?
[05:21] <meng> i have a modem issue
[05:22] <meng> i can't seem to change the speed with the gnome systray applet
[05:22] <Kyynara> Hi. I've just installed ubuntu. I've got two partitions on my hd, the other is an ntfs as a "leftover" from windows
[05:22] <meng> is there an alternative to the applet or any other way?
[05:22] <Kyynara> however, when I tried mounting it, I didn't find anything in /dev/hda#
[05:22] <Kyynara> actually, there were no hd's in /dev/
[05:22] <Kyynara> any ideas?
[05:22] <jonas-r> linux cant read nfts as normaly
[05:23] <chrissturm> i am running breezy and i get this error upgrading xbase-clients: xbase-clients postinst warning: /etc/X11/xkb/xkbcomp symbolic link points
[05:23] <chrissturm>    to wrong location /usr/bin/xkbcomp
[05:23] <Kyynara> jonas-r: yer, but I should be able to mount it
[05:23] <jonas-r> ok
[05:23] <Kyynara> at least I've mounted my ntfs hd at home
[05:23] <teknoprep> can i just stick a bash script in ~/.kde/Autostart and it will run on startup of that profile in kde
[05:24] <Kyynara> needs to be mounted as vfat, but the problem is that there is nothing in the /dev/ folder (I mean no hd's)
[05:24] <ivoks> chrissturm: don't run breezy
[05:24] <willy> hi guys
[05:24] <meng> can anyone help me with my modem issue
[05:24] <thoreauputic> teknoprep: yes, basically
[05:24] <chrissturm> ivoks: apart from that?
[05:24] <teknoprep> thoreauputic, doesn't matter what the format is then
[05:24] <ivoks> chrissturm: nothing apart from that
[05:24] <thoreauputic> teknoprep: just be sure it is executable
[05:24] <ivoks> chrissturm: read /topic
[05:24] <teknoprep> thoreauputic,  i know that
[05:24] <willy> doe anyone know howx to install a msn messenger client
[05:25] <ivoks> chrissturm: breezy is work in progress
[05:25] <Kyynara> willy: gaim
[05:25] <thoreauputic> teknoprep: OK
[05:25] <ironwolf> willy: apt-get install gaim
[05:25] <chrissturm> ivoks: thx for trying to be helpful
[05:25] <ivoks> chrissturm: it isn't usable, it isn't supported and it isn't stable - it's totally broken
[05:25] <willy> thx
[05:25] <meng> is there an alternative to using the gnome applet to connect dial-up?
[05:26] <willy> the apt-get command does not work
[05:26] <ian> is there any internet radio for linux..
[05:26] <ivoks> chrissturm: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET -- REALLY
[05:26] <anatole> willy: are you root?
[05:26] <chrissturm> ivoks: thanks. that would really help if i hadnt already updated
[05:27] <ivoks> chrissturm: breezy has new C and C++ libs. lots of packages aren't compatibile with it
[05:27] <ivoks> chrissturm: noone can help you! :)
[05:27] <ram_einstein> how do you perform a more powerful search? it doesn't list all the files in the search. esp. /usr/lib
[05:27] <ivoks> chrissturm: you did stoopid thing :)
[05:27] <chrissturm> ok, anyone else?
[05:27] <willy> there is only one user on the pc, so i am root i think
[05:27] <anatole> no you are not
[05:27] <ivoks> :>
[05:27] <ironwolf> chrissturm: breezy is broken, support isn't available for it until it stables out.
[05:27] <anatole> try "sudo aptitude install gaim"
[05:28] <anatole> then your password
[05:28] <ian> Is there any internet radio for linux..
[05:28] <chrissturm> thats ok with me
[05:28] <zenrox> ian, www.shoutcast.com
[05:28] <ivoks> chrissturm: man, it isn't broken like sid, it's much worse!
[05:28] <chrissturm> i thought maybe someone got the same error and has a solution
[05:28] <JasonF> will a Breezy Badger kernel drop-in and work on a Hoary box?
[05:28] <willy> now it works
[05:28] <JasonF> The BB kernel contains a module I need
[05:28] <willy> thx
[05:28] <anatole> np
[05:28] <ivoks> chrissturm: noone here updates breezy for some time
[05:29] <ivoks> chrissturm: people here read topics and anouncments
[05:31] <willy> how can you logon to the root account?
[05:31] <thenuke> cannot if you dont set password for it
[05:31] <thenuke> you can have rootshell by typing sudo su
[05:31] <JasonF> willy: type "sudo su -" in your regular user terminal
[05:31] <thenuke> or run command as a root with sudo command
[05:31] <JasonF> and type your user password
[05:31] <selinium> ian: you can tune into internet radio with musicplayer
[05:32] <kain> hi there, I know that ubuntu is UTF-8, but I've a problem with charsets in php, if I write some iso-8859-1/15 chars, they appears on web pags as '?', anyone knows how to change this behaviour?
[05:32] <tsw> Is there a way to make harddrive "image" other than dd (dont want to make 10Gt image for 2Gt of data)
[05:32] <kain> tsw, maybe dd_rescue ? not sure
[05:33] <thenuke> kain: try dpkg-reconfigure locales, and add support for those charsets and or make iso-8859 your default charset for whole system
[05:33] <tsw> kain: on webpages you have to use &auml; and such
[05:33] <kain> allright, thanks for suggestions
[05:33] <selinium> anyone here use rsync?
[05:35] <ian> is there a nice client of shout cast?
[05:36] <thoreauputic> ian: try streamtuner with either beep-media-player or xmms
[05:36] <thoreauputic> ian: the default is xmms
[05:36] <kain> thenuke, well, http://pastebin.com/293329
[05:36] <thoreauputic> but you can change it in prefs
[05:36] <deviant> how can i create a bootable cd using k3b?
[05:36] <kain> I've set up en_US iso-8859-1 and it_IT@euro iso-8859-15..mm
[05:37] <thoreauputic> ian: also install streamripper to rip music using streamtuner
[05:38] <thoreauputic> ian: both are in the universe repository
[05:39] <ram_einstein> I did exactly "copy libflashplayer.so to your Mozilla plugins directory and flashplayer.xpt to your Mozilla components directory" without using the installer
[05:40] <ram_einstein> my flash player plugin still doesn'twork
[05:40] <ian> i also tried xmms and access shoutcast.. music does not play continues.. i mean it stop the middle of a song and play.. whats wrong?
[05:40] <ram_einstein> it shows the movie sans music
[05:40] <ram_einstein> and and when I click settings, it comes up with a nearly blank dialog
[05:40] <willy> yess Xirc and gaim work
[05:40] <ram_einstein> I can't read the text on it
[05:41] <ram_einstein> what could be wrong?
[05:41] <thoreauputic> ian: hard to say from your description: are you choosing an appropriate bitrate for your connection?
[05:42] <thoreauputic> ian: if you are using dialup choose 24 for preference
[05:42] <ram_einstein> I copied flashplugin.xpt to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components and libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[05:42] <ram_einstein> some flash movies get stuck in the middle when loading
[05:42] <ram_einstein> and I have to force quit firefox
[05:43] <ian> thoreauputic: how can i choos bitrate?
[05:43] <ian> where can i set it ?
[05:43] <ram_einstein> there's something seriously wrong, please help me correct it...
[05:43] <thoreauputic> ian: you choose the source on shoutcast
[05:43] <thoreauputic> not in your client
[05:44] <Kyynara> How a S-ATA harddrives named in /dev/?
[05:44] <Kyynara> *are
[05:44] <ian> thoreauputic: ic.. ok..
[05:44] <NigelS> Kyynara: sd*
[05:44] <Kyynara> k
[05:44] <Kyynara> thank you
[05:44] <ram_einstein> thoreauputic, I searched forduplicates and found none too
[05:45] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats (section 5 on flash)
[05:45] <leo_mx> does somebody know how can i mount an extra hard disk i have? it only has data, no OS....or maybe somebody could tell me where can i read something about it
[05:45] <kestas2> is there some thing where you cant play wmv9 or something in totem?
[05:45] <kestas2> when I play most wmvs it says 'encrypted'
[05:46] <thoreauputic> kestas2: read and follow  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:46] <carthik> How do I change my default editor to vim, from pico or nano(whichever it is currently)?
[05:46] <kestas2> Ive installed totem-xine, w32codecs and such if thats what youre thinking thoreauputic
[05:47] <goldfish_> carthik: change the $EDITOR variable.
[05:47] <thoreauputic> kestas2: I see - Ok
[05:47] <kestas2> in mplayer it plays all green and messed up
[05:47] <ian> thoreauputic: thanks! it work ..
[05:47] <ram_einstein> okay thanks thoreauputic, I'll first uninstall the current one
[05:47] <NigelS> leo_mx: yeah, if you just type mount /dev/<whatever> /mnt/<mount point> then that'll just mount it - depending on the filesystem there are other options you can give to which are listed in the man page, e.g. -o uid=1000 to make it owned by your first normal user
[05:47] <kestas2> you cant see anything, but in totem you get 'Encrypted'
[05:47] <thoreauputic> ian: :)
[05:47] <carthik> goldfish_ echo $EDITOR gives me a blank line
[05:48] <kestas2> so can totem-xine and mplayer play the latest wmv formats?
[05:48] <carthik> goldfish_ so should I say EXPORT $EDITOR=vim ?
[05:48] <Raskall> I wish to set 775 on all new files on a nfs mounted directory. Where do I set the mask?
[05:48] <thoreauputic> ian: if you install streamtuner and streamripper as I suggested, you'll see the bitrates on the right in the client
[05:48] <Fator_Dee> carthik: you can set the environmen variable to ~/.bash_profile
[05:48] <Raskall> in /etc/exports?
[05:49] <Fator_Dee> or do you want to change it?
[05:49] <goldfish> carthik: yah
[05:50] <carthik> goldfish, that gives me "bash: EXPORT: command not found"
[05:50] <goldfish> carthik: set it in .bashrc to change permamnent
[05:50] <goldfish> carthik: export
[05:50] <Fator_Dee> carthik: export
[05:50] <elekis> hi
[05:50] <Fator_Dee> and I assume that it won't survive the boor?
[05:50] <Fator_Dee> *boot
[05:50] <jeroen_> elekis, hi
[05:50] <elekis> I have some trouble with my hoay,
[05:50] <jeroen_> elekis, just ask
[05:51] <Fator_Dee> so you'd have to put the line export EDITOR=vim to ~/.bash_profile
[05:51] <zenrox> ya we will answer if we can help you fix it
[05:51] <carthik> Fator_Dee, goldfish I edited ~/.bash_profile -- now how do I "reload" bash, so the changes take effect?
[05:51] <Munkey> rah, i finally got ubuntu to install, but for some reason it wont see my network card
[05:51] <Munkey> how do i get it to see it?
[05:51] <goldfish> carthik: open a new shell
[05:51] <goldfish> carthik: it should work
[05:51] <ram_einstein> thoreauputic, didn't solve the problem!
[05:52] <Tannin> Hi! Can anyone help me get framebuffer working? I have vesafb compiled into the kernel and tried vga= with various valid modes, but all I ever get is a black screen until x starts. I have no /dev/fb0 device and "dmesg|grep fb" shows nothing framebuffer-related.
[05:52] <ram_einstein> I did apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[05:52] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: then I'm out of ideas, sorry
[05:52] <ram_einstein> the situation is exactly the same!
[05:52] <ram_einstein> it's okay, thanks for your help anyway thoreauputic
[05:52] <carthik> goldfish, it is not, I tried crontab -e and it opens my cron file in Nano
[05:52] <carthik> in a new shell, that is
[05:52] <ram_einstein> someone else suggested installed something else
[05:52] <goldfish> hmmmmmmm.
[05:52] <leo_mx> mmm my hard disk is detected in the "device manager"...but the HD is in HDA and the "volume" is in HDA1 which one should i mount?
[05:52] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: I just went to a flash page and downloaded the "automatic" plugin and it installed fine
[05:52] <serj> Tannin ever tried installing splashy? i installed it and fb works in the console no problem
[05:52] <ram_einstein> I wasn't paying attention
[05:53] <ram_einstein> thoreauputic, ubuntu 5.04 and firefox?
[05:53] <ram_einstein> then link me
[05:53] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: yup
[05:53] <ram_einstein> you mean online installer right?
[05:53] <Tannin> serj: Yes, splashy is installed and it starts, but everything stays black
[05:53] <thoreauputic> link you to what? A flash page?
[05:53] <goldfish> carthik: sorry
[05:53] <ram_einstein> ...
[05:53] <elekis> the first is the /dev/dvd link, I folowed a how to who said change that line "       BUS="ide", KERNEL="hd[a-z] ", PROGRAM="/etc/udev/cdsymlinks.sh %k", SYMLINK="%c{1} %c{2}" "
[05:53] <elekis> in /etc/udev/udev.rules, but prob, I havent that line in this file
[05:53] <ram_einstein> well...
[05:53] <goldfish> carthik: 'source ~/.bashrc'
[05:53] <serj> Tannin i have the same prob, just hit ctrl+alt+f1 and it goes away
[05:54] <serj> when it gets black at startup
[05:54] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: I went to a flash page, it offered to install , I said yes..
[05:54] <Fator_Dee> carthik: yea, source .bash_profile, sorry I forgot to tell you :-\
[05:54] <goldfish> Fator_Dee: me too :)
[05:54] <goldfish> heh
[05:54] <ram_einstein> firefox came up with the missing plugin dialog or was it the site that offered an online installer?
[05:54] <carthik> Fator_Dee, goldfish, thanks, but why is one of you saying bash_profile and the other bashrc
[05:55] <Fator_Dee> it could be done by both files?
[05:55] <carthik> I added EXPORT EDITOR=/usr/bin/vim in bashrc, and it works
[05:55] <goldfish> carthik: yeah
[05:55] <Fator_Dee> so a matter of preference?
[05:55] <goldfish> no
[05:55] <Tannin> serj: thanks for the input, but no luck. :(
[05:55] <goldfish> one is for login shells
[05:55] <goldfish> i think
[05:55] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: I think it was the missing plugin dialog, but I got the offer to install (it's been a while...)
[05:55] <elekis> what mustr I do for , when I put a dvd in the dvdlector,  he create the link /*dev/dvd
[05:55] <ram_einstein> :)
[05:55] <ram_einstein> sad
[05:55] <ram_einstein> it's okay
[05:55] <ram_einstein> I'll try some other time
[05:55] <ram_einstein> I am out
[05:56] <elekis> there my file /etc/udev/udev.rules,
[05:56] <elekis> http://rafb.net/paste/results/bifnXw19.html
[05:59] <anatole> somebody pleease tell how to set windowframe visibillity for each app in gnome :p
[05:59] <kimo_> guys, I am facing a strange problem! And I am not a newbie. Any script I try to execute, no matter sh/csh/perl , I get "permission denied, sh/csh/perl bad interpreter!". If I "perl ./script" it works. Any ideas?
[05:59] <carthik> How do I direct the output of cron to /dev/null, without outputting errors to /dev/null. I still want to have the errors (if any) emailed to me
[06:00] <floater_> what up with sound server when it says /dev/dsp no such dir or file. I just installed kubuntu. It didn't find my sound card or smth I take it, what should I do
[06:00] <pestilence> kimo_: how are you trying to run when you get that error?
[06:00] <alastair> try chmod +x filename
[06:00] <kimo_> running as ./script
[06:00] <kimo_> scripts are 777
[06:00] <kimo_> any language, any script!
[06:00] <pestilence> kimo_: and does the #! line match the path to the interpreter?
[06:01] <ian> is there a way when ever i close my thunderbird mail it just go to the upper left..like gaim..
[06:01] <ian> ?
[06:01] <kimo_> yep, I mean it's /bin/sh !
[06:01] <pestilence> true :)
[06:01] <elekis> stupid other question beut, does exist a program who allow to change wallpaper every x minuts (all wallpaper are in one directory)
[06:01] <elekis> ???
[06:01] <elekis> ?
[06:01] <kimo_> how can I get more info! I mean, permission denied , what's that?? I am even running as root
[06:02] <pfp> carthik: hmm, just use '.../bin/foo > /dev/null'? errors go to stderr stream, and you'd have to redirect that separately
[06:02] <Amaranth> smeg 0.7.1 released! plays nice with KDE on ubuntu :)
[06:02] <kimo_> elekis, kwebshots
[06:02] <elekis> thanks
[06:02] <pfp> carthik: with like '.../bin/foo > /dev/null 2> /dev/null'
[06:02] <tsw> Amaranth: heh I was just about to ask what was the name of menu editor :)
[06:02] <tsw> Amaranth: and does it work with xfce?
[06:03] <Amaranth> yes :D
[06:03] <j-d> hello
[06:03] <elekis> heu do you have a link ??
[06:03] <kimo_> pestilence, any ideas !
[06:03] <Amaranth> tsw: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38183
[06:03] <kimo_> elekis, I'm prolly not remembering the name :) one sec
[06:03] <serj> elekis ln -s
[06:04] <Einhoernchen> returned
[06:04] <tsw> Amaranth: thanks Ill check
[06:04] <Einhoernchen> ehh question..
[06:04] <Einhoernchen> what is in your opinion the best wm for rebuilding mac os?
[06:04] <Einhoernchen> >)
[06:04] <albacker> guys, is "the linux" a movie ???
[06:04] <albacker> or a documentar?
[06:04] <Amaranth> documentary, move likely
[06:05] <Amaranth> Einhoernchen: GNOME kinda looks like OS 9
[06:05] <jaku> hi.. i can not kill processes.. i can see with ps ax that a proces is open 4 or 5 times.. like rhythmbox.. but i can not kill it!
[06:05] <carthik> pfp, right, thanks
[06:05] <Johnnyfav> A program I'm trying to install requires tcl for compilation.....which tcl is it looking for as tcl 8.4 is installed on my comp ?
[06:05] <albacker> ahh...
[06:05] <Einhoernchen> Amaranth, ehh i mean osx ;)
[06:05] <carthik> pfp I should omit the 2 > part to still get error mails, I gues
[06:05] <Amaranth> Einhoernchen: If you're looking for an OS X look alike you aren't going to get as close as you can on Windows.
[06:05] <kimo_> jaku, kill -9 PID
[06:05] <jaku> kimo_: doesn't work
[06:05] <jaku> kimo_: no killall etc...
[06:05] <Einhoernchen> Amaranth, ok
[06:06] <Einhoernchen> Amaranth, but which wm might be the best?
[06:06] <pestilence> kimo_: do you hvae the media mounted with the noexec flag?
[06:06] <andreas_> Good evening.
[06:06] <Einhoernchen> gnome or enlightenment?
[06:06] <kimo_> jaku, killall -9 , notice the -9 part ?
[06:06] <Amaranth> Einhoernchen: Well, GNOME actually works...
[06:06] <pestilence> kimo_: it is implied if you mount as a user
[06:06] <Einhoernchen> ;)
[06:06] <Addison> Hi there, I'm having an issue getting the CD to boot.  Is there a special way to burn it using windows?  I tried extracting it with winrar and then burning the data to the CD but that doesn't see mto work.
[06:06] <Einhoernchen> ok
[06:06] <kimo_> pestilence, hmm, that might be it! lemme look
[06:06] <Daylighthater> For those who are interested
[06:06] <jaku> kimo_: yap.. i tryed also wit sudo or su..
[06:06] <Daylighthater> I've solved my screenproblem
[06:06] <Einhoernchen> haha xpde is really funny >)
[06:06] <andreas_> Addison: It`s an ISO file and should be burned as such
[06:06] <Choubaka> arhhg.
[06:07] <serj> Addison: its easier with an iso
[06:07] <pfp> carthik: yep, 2 is the file descriptor for stderr, 1 is for stdout and 0 for stdin (_i think_)
[06:07] <Daylighthater> I had a lifted screen which means my screen was lifted about 30 px on my laptop
[06:07] <_luke> how do you change the permissions of a folder in commandline?
[06:07] <jaku> kimo_: and i can not see the program opened in the desktop
[06:07] <Daylighthater> now the only thing I had to do was change the driver to vesa in stead of ati
[06:07] <pfp> _luke: man chmod
[06:07] <Addison> Windows XP doesn't seem to warn to burn it in any other way than just putting the iso on the cd like a regular file.
[06:07] <Daylighthater> and it was solved!
[06:08] <pestilence> kimo_: here's another idea
[06:08] <pestilence> kimo_: http://lists.ssc.com/pipermail/linux-list/2004-January/019634.html
[06:08] <serj> Addison use nero or somethin =p
[06:08] <kimo_> pestilence, these are the options "rw,users" !
[06:08] <kimo_> pestilence, lemme see the other option
[06:09] <pestilence> kimo_: i believe if you mount it as a normal user, the 'noexec' flag is implied
[06:09] <chrissturm> is there a pdf viewer for linux that can copy text from the pdf?
[06:09] <ian> what do you call that.. icons found in the right upper of your desktop. ...in windows its called tray icon..in ubuntu what is the name?
[06:09] <kimo_> pestilence, they are mount through fstab, I guess that's not user, right ?
[06:10] <pestilence> kimo_: the "user" flag implies "noexec"...see `man mount`
[06:10] <Daylighthater> pestilence what's the problem
[06:10] <kimo_> ok, I hope that's it. Thanks a million man
[06:10] <pestilence> kimo_: put a "exec" in there
[06:10] <Daylighthater> I've been buzzy with fstab the last few days
[06:10] <kimo_> will do so, thnx
[06:10] <Daylighthater> :d
[06:10] <pestilence> Daylighthater: kimo_ can't run scripts
[06:10] <Daylighthater> as user?
[06:10] <kimo_> Daylighthater, as root or user, any interpreter
[06:11] <serj> anyone recommend a filesharing app? i cant get anything to wokr properly..
[06:11] <Daylighthater> and why do you think it is??
[06:11] <kimo_> serj, amule, bittorrent, apollon
[06:11] <pfp> chrissturm: adobe reader can, altough all pdf's dont allow to be copied
[06:11] <kimo_> Daylighthater, why or what ?
[06:12] <pfp> chrissturm: you'd probably have to do OCR or something in that case
[06:12] <TheRabbit> I was trying to install Qtella, and I came to an error about C++ compilers not being able to create executable files...
[06:12] <no0tic> someone of you uses iPod shuffle with ubuntu?
[06:12] <kimo_> chrissturm, acroread 7 is good, if the pdf is not protected, u can copy it
[06:12] <Daylighthater> kimo_: that you can't run scripts... because of restrictions or because of something else??
[06:12] <serj> thx Kimo_ gonna check out apollon..
[06:13] <Daylighthater> kimo_: what's the errormsg?
[06:13] <kimo_> Daylighthater, I have no idea, pestilence told me I mount with users, which imply noexec, that might be it
[06:13] <kimo_> Daylighthater, err: "permission denied. /bin/sh bad interpreter" or perl or csh ...
[06:14] <Addison> Anyone know a freeware program that will burn the iso correctly?
[06:14] <serj> apollon has massive kde dependence =\
[06:14] <kimo_> Addison, k3b ROX
[06:14] <Daylighthater> kimo_:try putting in your fstab in the column where user is default instead of all the rest
[06:14] <kimo_> serj, emule amule
[06:14] <Daylighthater> just plain default
[06:14] <kimo_> :)
[06:14] <kimo_> ok
[06:14] <Daylighthater> and otherwhise just add , umask=0755
[06:15] <kimo_> does default allow users to write ?
[06:15] <Einhoernchen> ok lata guys
[06:16] <Daylighthater> I don't know
[06:16] <`TUX``> hi
[06:16] <Daylighthater> but for that U add umask=0777
[06:16] <`TUX``> xbase-clients postinst warning: /etc/X11/xkb/xkbcomp symbolic link points to wrong location /usr/bin/xkbcomp
[06:16] <dooglus> anyone know how to get 'middle click' on a tab in firefox deerpark to close the tab?
[06:16] <`TUX``> any trick for this error?
[06:16] <Daylighthater> then everyone can do everything
[06:16] <thoreauputic> Addison: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BurningIsoHowto
[06:17] <thoreauputic> Addison: instructions for windows on that page
[06:17] <bob2> thoreauputic: ?
[06:17] <bob2> Amaranth: ?
[06:17] <thoreauputic> bob2: ?
[06:17] <int21h> anyone recently tried using RealPlayer 10 ?
[06:17] <serj> umask=0000 works for all
[06:17] <Amaranth> bob2: oh, i just wanted to let you know i cleared about half the ban list
[06:17] <kimo_> int21h, yep
[06:17] <Amaranth> bob2: it was full and i needed some bans
[06:17] <int21h> it appears to install correctly but nothing happens when trying to run it
[06:17] <thoreauputic> ah, the bans :)
[06:18] <int21h> kimo_, nothing appears to happen when running it
[06:18] <Addison> Thanks.
[06:18] <kimo_> int21h, run it from a terminal and watch for errors
[06:18] <int21h> kimo_, ps -ef | grep real ..... shows realplay
[06:18] <jaku> how can I kill a D process?
[06:18] <chrissturm> how can i find out to what package a file belongs?
[06:18] <goldfish> jaku: D process?
[06:18] <int21h> kimo_, i did that and no errors... no gui ?
[06:19] <thoreauputic> chrissturm: if it's installed, do dpkg -S <file>
[06:19] <serj> int2lh the terminal doesnt say a thing?
[06:19] <jaku> goldfish: Uninterruptible sleep
[06:19] <blueskiesokie> hello
[06:19] <goldfish> kk
[06:19] <int21h> serj, nada
[06:19] <kimo_> int21h, duh dunno ! but who needs realplayer when kaffeine and mplayer are there :)
[06:19] <serj> tried running top to see if the process is alive?
[06:19] <timte> Where do I find kolab packages for hoary?
[06:19] <int21h> kimo_, I need it to plugin to Mozilla
[06:19] <blueskiesokie> i just changed my video card from ATI to Nvidia. How do i reconfigure X?
[06:20] <int21h> wanna watch http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cyberwar/view/
[06:20] <neville> how can I find out what the maximum resolution the graphic adapter is capable of ?
[06:20] <kimo_> int21h, well there is mplayer-plugin into mozilla, anyway, u could try downloading the latest real from their page and installing that!
[06:20] <echobucket> totem-xine rocks IMHO
[06:20] <bob2> thoreauputic: you were looking for me a couple of hours ago
[06:21] <thoreauputic> bob2: yeah, it was about a need for ops -  Amaranth took care of it, thanks :)
[06:21] <int21h> kimo_, ok I'll try that maybe...but I have had this work in Warty
[06:21] <jaku> goldfish: I have the same program opened 5 times.. (rhytmbox) and it's Uninterruptible sleep.. i don't know why..
[06:21] <goldfish> jaku: em, i dont know much, i assume u have tried 'kill -9 pid' ?
[06:21] <blueskiesokie> anyone ?
[06:22] <jaku> goldfish: yap.. :(
[06:22] <goldfish> blueskiesokie: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[06:22] <goldfish> jaku: hmmm
[06:22] <blueskiesokie> tnx
[06:22] <c0o_imoets> #jokam
[06:22] <neville> the chipset is intel 82815 , so I use i810 is it possible that the resolution can't be higher 1024 ? The crt can do up to 1280 ?
[06:23] <kimo_> can I get a list of packages apt "recommends" installing :)
[06:23] <bob2> thoreauputic: ah
[06:23] <Amaranth> kimo_: apt-cache depends package
[06:24] <kimo_> Amaranth, can I do that for all pkgs
[06:24] <goldfish> serj: I asked around, the answer i got was reboot :)
[06:24] <Amaranth> yeah
[06:24] <goldfish> serj: woops.
[06:24] <goldfish> serj: not you.
[06:24] <int21h> kimo_,  howcome mplayer no longer in 'universe' ?
[06:24] <goldfish> jaku: reboot was the answer i got :)
[06:25] <selinium> how do I create a link from my windows music folder to my linux music folder so I don't have to duplicate 9Gb of data? I was going to use cp -al but there a re loads of spaces in the windows file structure
[06:25] <thoreauputic> int21h: it never was AFAIK - multiverse I think
[06:25] <kimo_> int21h, this is my second day with ubuntu, so I dont know much!
[06:25] <int21h> thoreauputic, thanks
[06:26] <thoreauputic> bob2: sorry, I guess I should have done a /whois before pinging you
[06:26] <jaku> goldfish: is a windows answer.. :(
[06:26] <bob2> thoreauputic: 'tis fine
[06:26] <goldfish> jaku: hehe, 'kill -9' should work.
[06:26] <thoreauputic> OK :)
[06:27] <goldfish> jaku: ps -a, and kill the pid. was the other answer i got.
[06:28] <thoreauputic> selinium: can't you just access the folder from ubuntu and play your music?
[06:29] <thoreauputic> selinium: I mean, you should be able to read from it...
[06:30] <shinu> anyone might know how i can turn my border from my xterm off?
[06:30] <shinu> or is it an option specific to windowmaker?
[06:31] <goldfish> I know how to do it in aterm :)
[06:31] <bob2> if you're using WindowMaker, #wmaker
[06:31] <bob2> if you're using metacity, use devilspie.
[06:31] <shinu> im on xfce xD
[06:31] <shinu> but i saw screenshots from wmaker so i thought...
[06:31] <serj> shinu: use aterm
[06:31] <shinu> goldfish: please tell me :D
[06:32] <goldfish> shinu: in aterm?
[06:32] <goldfish> not xterm.
[06:32] <shinu> yup
[06:32] <goldfish> kk
[06:32] <shinu> ill try that
[06:32] <selinium> thoreauputic: I theory yes, but I want to be able to look in one folder and see all my music! not two. How do I get around the /My Documents/ problem?
[06:32] <bob2> er
[06:32] <bob2> it's not app-specific
[06:32] <bob2> it just happens aterm has an option to twiddle the windowmanager setting
[06:32] <goldfish> oh right
[06:33] <NigelS> selinium: what my documents problem? :)
[06:34] <thoreauputic> selinium: hmm - I don't know, really: I hardly ever touch my windows partition and haven't for months - in fact I don't know why I still have it at all ...
[06:34] <neville> selinium, you can ln -s
[06:34] <int21h> crud and bloody hell.....mplayer dies with illegal instruction....anyone seen this before
[06:34] <selinium> thoreauputic: The windows file system is NTFS so I cant write to it. The fact there a space in between 'My' and 'Docs'
[06:34] <geetergod> how do i force to quit something? my xmms keeps freezing on the desktop... how do i get rid of it?
[06:34] <NigelS> selinium: /My\ Documents/
[06:34] <bob2> int21h: you install mplayer-686 on a pentium or such?
[06:35] <bob2> int21h: or did you compile it yourself?
[06:35] <int21h> bob2, nah...used multiverse
[06:35] <selinium> NigelS CHeers! I knew there was a simple solution!
[06:35] <int21h> bob2, I'll get the tarball
[06:35] <goldfish> geetergod: open a terminal, type ps aux |grep xmms
[06:35] <geetergod> k
[06:35] <int21h> geetergod, type pkill xmms
[06:35] <goldfish> geetergod: then 'kill -9 <the pid of the xmms>'
[06:35] <goldfish> owell
[06:35] <bob2> int21h: that won't help...
[06:35] <NigelS> selinium: np, putting something in quotes will also force a literal interpretation
[06:35] <goldfish> that's a better solution, yes.
[06:35] <bob2> int21h: which version did you install?
[06:35] <int21h> int21h,  ? expand plse
[06:36] <int21h> bob2, MPlayer 1.0pre5-3.3.4 (C) 2000-2004 MPlayer Team
[06:36] <bob2> if you're talking to me, say my name and spel out "please"
[06:36] <shinu> goldfish: so how do i do it? :D
[06:36] <bob2> int21h: what version of the package did you install?
[06:37] <goldfish> shinu: oh sorry
[06:37] <geetergod> 'the pid of the xmms'?
[06:37] <int21h> bob2, the version available from the multiverse which is MPlayer 1.0pre5-3.3.4
[06:37] <bretzel> Hello, is anybody knows a gnu ncurses IRC channel somewhere ?
[06:37] <blueskiesokie> i did the dpkg-reconfigure on xserver now it works .. but it is only showing 640x480 is screen resolution ?
[06:37] <goldfish> shinu: just call it with the option '-bw 0'
[06:37] <int21h> geetergod, type ps -ef | grep xmms
[06:37] <bob2> int21h: mplayer-386? mplayer-586?
[06:37] <geetergod> ok
[06:37] <geetergod> i dont understand why it keeps freezing
[06:37] <bob2> bretzel: I'd be surprised if there was a useful one.  what do you want to know?
[06:37] <dooglus> is there a 'beginners guid to dpkg and apt' somewhere I can read?  I still don't get it.
[06:37] <blueskiesokie> do i need to reconfigure another package also ?
[06:38] <selinium> NigelS: when using ln, which comes first the origin or the detination, and will it recurse?
[06:38] <thoreauputic> dooglus: sudo apt-get install apt-howto
[06:38] <bretzel> bob2: Keybinds: SHIFT+ENTER does not report different value than normal ENTER ... :-(
[06:38] <thoreauputic> dooglus: but it's fairly detailed
[06:38] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I like that.  using "apt" to learn about apt...  :)
[06:38] <thoreauputic> :)
[06:38] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I like details.  It's vagueness I don't like.  :)
[06:39] <bob2> dooglus: there's not much to know.  if you use ubuntu repositories, then "sudo apt-get install blah" will install blah.  you use "apt-cache search blah" to search for packages with blah in their descriptions"
[06:39] <int21h> bob2, it seems to be mplayer-custom 1:1.0-pre5-0.6ubuntu1
[06:39] <selinium> thoreauputic: I know what you mean about the windows partition. I have 120Gb sitting doing nothing...
[06:39] <dooglus> bob2: the thing I can't get my head around at the moment is what 'dpkg -l <pattern>' does
[06:39] <bob2> int21h: and what cpu do you have?
[06:39] <int21h> bob2, PII-400
[06:39] <NigelS> selinium: if you want to link a dir to another location then ln -s /existing-dir /new link name.  It links that directory literally so, following the link you will find all the things in that directory
[06:40] <bob2> dooglus: "dpkg -l" lists all packages dpkg knows about, which is (mostly) just installed or previously install packages
[06:40] <thoreauputic> selinium: :) I have to take a few deep breaths soon and blow it away ;)
[06:40] <bob2> int21h: install mplayer-686
[06:40] <bob2> dooglus: the pattern is just used to filter out the results of that
[06:40] <int21h> bob2, its not available in the 'multiverse' any ideas ?
[06:41] <dooglus> bob2: the first time I booted into ubuntu after installing from the install CD, it spent about half an hour doing apt'ish type stuff.  was that dpkg learning about some packages without installing them?
[06:41] <thoreauputic> selinium: fortunately (or maybe unfortunately from an extra spcae viewpoint) , mine is only 10GB
[06:41] <NigelS> dooglus: e.g. dpkg -l *image* will show all the mentions in your local cache of packages with an image in their name, so the kernel images and the likes of imagemagick
[06:41] <bob2> int21h: it is there
[06:42] <IcemanV9> hm. is there a difference between mplayer-386 & mplayer-686? mine seems to be working just fine. should i install 686? or leave it alone as long as it is working?
[06:42] <dooglus> bob2: I don' think the pattern is just used to filter - because I get extra results if I specify a filter, like:
[06:42] <int21h> bob2, I just did a search ...... apt-cache search mplayer-686
[06:42] <dooglus> chris@chrislap:~$ dpkg -l | grep kde
[06:42] <dooglus> chris@chrislap:~$ dpkg -l 'kde' | grep kde
[06:42] <dooglus> un  kde            <none>         (no description available)
[06:42] <selinium> thoreauputic: LOL I just need another large drive to take off all the stuff i need and 'Kablooey'!
[06:42] <thoreauputic> IcemanV9: if it ain't broke, don't fix it, as the saying goes...
[06:42] <dooglus> adding the 'filter' actually resulted in more output...
[06:43] <bob2> dooglus: well, it's kinda complicated.  dpkg is older than apt, and back in the day it used to know about packages you haven't yet installed, too.  nowadays, only apt needs to care, but dpkg will still remember everything that is installed and later removed...all that apt stuff at install is apt setting up it's database, ut dpkg is picking some of it up, too.
[06:43] <dooglus> bob2: it's the complexity that I'm struggling to understand.  the man page doesn't seem to go into it.
[06:43] <bob2> IcemanV9: it's supposed to be slightly faster, but I don't know if it is usefully quicker.  you can try it and see...
[06:44] <bob2> dooglus: ok, you're right, I have no idea why they give different results
[06:44] <dooglus> bob2: the thing is, I don't have "kde" installed, and I've never uninstalled it either, so I can only assume that it has never been installed.  yet 'dpkg -l kde' knows about it somehow.
[06:44] <bob2> I've never seen that before
[06:44] <IcemanV9> yeah. i do have 686-kernel. maybe i ought to try ...
[06:44] <int21h> bob2, any ideas why multiverse no showing mplayer-686
[06:44] <bob2> int21h: I don't know, it's there for me
[06:44] <int21h> darn it
[06:44] <IcemanV9> didn't know there is mplayer-686 out there until it was mentioned in this channel
[06:45] <bob2> int21h: can you paste the output of "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" and "apt-cache policy mplayer-686" to #flood?
[06:45] <IcemanV9> alright - here goes nothing
[06:45] <JasonF> Hey :) is there an equivalent to SID in ubuntu
[06:45] <NigelS> dooglus: hmm, those commands are quite different - think about it - you said dpkg -l 'kde' so only a package called kde will be returned, now if you type dpkg -l *kde* you will see all mentions of kde, plus just doing dpkg -l only lists installed packages
[06:45] <bob2> JasonF: breezy, but please don't use it
[06:45] <dooglus> bob2: I think 'dpkg -l' (without a filter) only shows installed packages - try $ dpkg -l | grep -v '^ii'
[06:45] <bob2> NigelS: the grep should include the kde package, but it doesn't
[06:45] <dooglus> NigelS: right.
[06:45] <JasonF> bob2: is that "please don't use it" like SID is "please don't use it" or... is there known breakage issues?
[06:46] <bob2> dooglus: it's not as simpe as that, "dpkg -l | grep \^ii" returns stuff
[06:46] <NigelS> bob2: in which the first command? without wildcards it'll only return the meta-package called kde, i.e. with the quotes
[06:46] <bob2> JasonF: as in X doesn't work at the moment and last week getty somehow got removed from utillinux entirely
[06:46] <thoreauputic> JasonF: breezy is much more dangerous than Sid :)
[06:46] <JasonF> heh, okay :)
[06:46] <bob2> NigelS: the output of "dpkg -l" does not include the "kde" package at all, but "dpkg -l kde" does.
[06:47] <JasonF> I don't mind breakage, but that seems to be a bit much
[06:47] <int21h> bob2, I see the issue
[06:47] <IcemanV9> JasonF: actually, breezy is going through a rough testing right now. lots of broken things.
[06:47] <drspin> anyone know of a good tutorial on webserver file permissions?? what about one on umask?
[06:47] <NigelS> bob2: yes, because the kde meta package isn't installed , in state ii
[06:47] <JasonF> then question two, is it possible to add SID to sources.list -- or is there known incompats with debian vs ubuntu packages
[06:47] <int21h> bob2, it was using deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[06:47] <bob2> int21h: ah
[06:48] <int21h> my mistake
[06:48] <bob2> JasonF: please don't
[06:48] <int21h> bob2, thanks
[06:48] <bob2> JasonF: or, if you do, do not ask for help from anyone, ever, since it will break
[06:48] <JasonF> bob2: "it will break" would have been sufficient ;)
[06:48] <dooglus> bob2: it's not quite so simple, no.  I think if you grep out the 'ii' lines, you're left with just the packages which have only config files?  the ones you've 'removed' but not 'completely removed', as synaptic would put it
[06:48] <bob2> NigelS: I don't get what you mean
[06:49] <JasonF> I'm just itching for my gentoo ~x86 level of package-newness, but I'll be able to survive
[06:49] <bob2> but it is 0300
[06:49] <bob2> dooglus: mostly, but dpkg will know about purged (config files gone, too) ones, too
[06:50] <dooglus> bob2: dpkg will know about them, but it won't list them when you run "dpkg -l" without a pattern.  see the 'dpkg-query' man page.
[06:50] <dooglus> I quote: "If no package-name-pattern
[06:50] <dooglus>               is  given,  list  all  packages in /var/lib/dpkg/status."
[06:50] <IcemanV9> interesting .. they do have mplayer-k7. now i know. :)
[06:50] <bob2> ah-hah
[06:50] <bob2> dooglus: you learn something knew every day, thanks!
[06:51] <dooglus> bob2: I'm glad we (kind of) got to the bottom of that.
[06:51] <bob2> s/we/you/, I didn't even know dpkg-query exist :)
[06:51] <NigelS> yes, dpkg -l only shows ii and rc it seems, so a grep for the kde meta-package in state pn will not find it, so you have to dpkg -l kde to see it and dpkg -l *kde* to see the non ii, rc packages
[06:51] <dooglus> bob2: I've been banned for less on a different distro's channel.
[06:51] <bob2> for less than what?
[06:52] <dooglus> (I was "belittling an op" apparently, by trying to get to the bottom of an issue neither of us understood)
[06:52] <bob2> hahaha
[06:52] <dooglus> bob2: I just challenged your authority - didn't you feel the sting?
[06:52] <JasonF> stupid ops!
[06:52] <bob2> dooglus: oh yeah, I mean, I don't understand it, so you must be wrong
[06:53] <dooglus> bob2: it was worse than that.  it was "I've been a developer on this package for over 2 years, and nobody ever reported the bug you've just reported before, so you must be an idiot"
[06:54] <jeroen_> dooglus, where was that? :O
[06:54] <JasonF> jeroen_: I get the feeling it'll start with a d and end with ebian
[06:54] <dooglus> jeroen_: I'm not at liberty to say.  <cough>mandriva</cough>
[06:54] <JasonF> ah, lol
[06:54] <jeroen_> what a weird new name, mandriva
[06:55] <WhiteRabbit> mandrake had a ring to it as it was a /root
[06:55] <dooglus> they finished up banning pretty much all of the UK from the channel too.  the biggest UK ISP is banned...
[06:56] <thoreauputic> dooglus: heh - "It's a Family channel" ;)
[06:56] <dooglus> still, it worked out well for me - I got to try ubuntu, which I never would have done had I not been pushed out from #mandriva
[06:56] <slept> I'm expieriencing something wiered , I configuerd xorg for 1280x1024 when gdm starts things go right , when I log in it switches back to 1024, I even removed all the other resolutions - still same thing happens ???
[06:56] <makisupa> can someone help with the hal-device-manager....it starts (the box forms) but then it closes immediately?  Thanks
[06:58] <dooglus> does anyone use 'Rhythmbox', the GNOME mp3 player, with a large music collection?
[06:58] <bob2> yes, it woorks poorly
[06:59] <thoreauputic> dooglus: it tends to choke
[06:59] <makisupa> ok -- just found out device manager starts if my USB CDRW is NOT plugged in...odd
[06:59] <dooglus> bob2: is there any app which has a media library which works well?
[06:59] <bob2> dooglus: I quite like cplay
[06:59] <bob2> but I suspect people used to rhythmbox won't
[06:59] <thoreauputic> dooglus: I've had better luck with amarok (KDE app, of course, though)
[06:59] <dooglus> I used to use amarok (or something like that) on Mandriva, but I'm trying to give up Qt now that I'm on ubuntu.  I've managed to avoid running anything KDE/Qt'y so far.
[07:00] <bob2> dooglus: muine is nice, too
[07:00] <bob2> but very album oriented
[07:00] <thoreauputic> dooglus: hmm - ideology or experience?
[07:00] <dooglus> thoreauputic: amarok was pretty good - it coped with all my mp3 files
[07:00] <julia> hola
[07:00] <julia> k hi ha algu
[07:00] <julia> jeje ja
[07:00] <julia> dfa
[07:00] <julia> f
[07:00] <julia> ff
[07:00] <julia> ff
[07:01] <julia> f
[07:01] <julia> f
[07:01] <julia> f
[07:01] <julia> ff
[07:01] <Fator_Dee> bob2, Amaranth?
[07:01] <julia> f
[07:01] <dooglus> thoreauputic: neither.  I've nothing against KDE, but I just think it makes sense not to mix GTK and KDE apps, for the sake of memory conservation
[07:01] <julia> f
[07:01] <julia> ff
[07:01] <julia> hola
[07:01] <Amaranth> not quick enough on the draw
[07:01] <salva_> Hi!
[07:01] <thoreauputic> dooglus: I think amarok is the best I've tried so far - but I often just start up xmms or beep-media-player from a directory or use streamtuner
[07:01] <salva_> Hi world :)
[07:03] <Fator_Dee> gah, entrance exams on chemistry tomorrow :-p
[07:03] <serj> ^^
[07:06] <dooglus> muine has a *load* of dependancies.
[07:06] <bob2> yup
[07:06] <bob2> but thomboy uses them too
[07:06] <bob2> and you want tomboy installed
[07:06] <dooglus> I'll give it a go.  it's a .NET thing?
[07:06] <bob2> so it's ok ;)
[07:06] <thoreauputic> bob2: wow, cplay is tiny - and the interface is simple enough - nice call :)
[07:06] <bob2> thoreauputic: heh
[07:06] <bob2> thoreauputic: and it sits nicely in screen :)
[07:07] <dooglus> tomboy?  /me goes to investigate
[07:07] <thoreauputic> indeed :)
[07:08] <thoreauputic> dooglus: mono
[07:09] <dooglus> thoreauputic: verb?
[07:10] <thoreauputic> dooglus: um - I meant "mono not .NET" but I guess you knew that
[07:10] <dooglus> thoreauputic: ok, i see.
[07:10] <Addison> Any idea why Ubuntu wouldn't power the PCMCIA card?  It seems to detect it in the device manager.
[07:10] <dooglus> can I use 'apt-cache' to view a description of 'tomboy'?  what's the command?
[07:10] <bob2> dooglus: apt-cache show tomboy
[07:11] <yesterday> what's the mono and .not something?
[07:11] <dooglus> great, thanks.
[07:11] <yesterday> sounds like ... snake-oil
[07:12] <dooglus> yesterday: muine and tomboy both
[07:12] <thoreauputic> yesterday: heh - mono is the open answer to .NET
[07:12] <thoreauputic> yesterday: in simple terms...
[07:12] <yesterday> (a trap for luxers)
[07:13] <dooglus> mono is the answer but only if you phrase the question very carefully
[07:13] <thoreauputic> heheh
[07:13] <toxicfume> i'm using a windows application to increase the size of my mepis partition, but it says that i need to restart into linux and run /slib/grub..but who do i do next? :S
[07:13] <dooglus> using mono feels even worse than using java to me.  best not to become dependant on either one of the,
[07:13] <dooglus> m
[07:14] <thoreauputic> dooglus: otherwise the answer as always is "42" ;-)
[07:14] <bob2> toxicfume: sounds more like a #mepis question...
[07:14] <bob2> dooglus: well, it is apparently very nice to work in, and it's an independent standard, and the implementation is entirely Free...
[07:14] <toxicfume> bob2: why?
[07:14] <bob2> toxicfume: since you're using mepis?
[07:15] <toxicfume> bob2: no, this is on my deskto
[07:15] <toxicfume> desktop
[07:15] <toxicfume> bob2: you could'vebeen right if i was on my laptop, but i'm not
[07:15] <dooglus> bob2: it's an independant standard?
[07:16] <bob2> dooglus: ECMA blessed it
[07:17] <dooglus> muine seems pretty nice, but as you say, it's album-centric
[07:18] <bob2> yeah, even with all my albums I didn't like it
[07:18] <peter_> hi, wie warum ist der firefox-1.0.4 nicht normalen update drinn? habt ihr nen tipp wie ich ihn am besten installiere?
[07:18] <dooglus> if it doesn't fall over while importing my music folder, I'll stick with it for a bit and see how I get on with it.
[07:18] <yesterday> open now... but close in the future <- stardard
[07:18] <jeroen_> peter_, Deutsch reden Sie in #ubuntu-de
[07:18] <peter_> ups
[07:18] <dooglus> what I quite liked in amarok was the easy navigaton, and the recommendations of 'similar songs'
[07:20] <yesterday> branch? (patents...hehe...)
[07:20] <caine> if a file is a .torrent what kind of file is that supposed to be?
[07:20] <dooglus> hrm.  nautilus crashed while muine was importing my music folder
[07:21] <dooglus> caine: it's a bittorrent file
[07:21] <caine> b/c they have them as a file im d/l but its on gnutella
[07:21] <dooglus> caine: you should be abel to download the torrent using any bittorrent client
[07:22] <caine> search the phantom of the opera in gnutella and it has some .torrent files for it
[07:22] <dooglus> caine: makes sense.  the websites which supply .torrent files keep getting shut down - so it makes sense to use gnutella to supply the .torrent files, which in turn direct you to the torrent
[07:23] <caine> ok
[07:23] <goldfish> caine: get azureus or something
[07:23] <bob2> someone still has to be the tracker, tho
[07:23] <caine> goldfish: why would i want to do that?
[07:23] <dooglus> caine: bittorrent has no 'search' mechanism, so finding the .torrent files is the weak point in the whole process
[07:23] <goldfish> k, no matter.
[07:23] <jeroen_> goldfish, Azureus uses java, right? :/
[07:23] <goldfish> jeroen_: it does.
[07:23] <goldfish> best client ive used though.
[07:24] <dooglus> caine: azureus is a java bittorrent client, yes.  and it only works with Sun's JVM, too.
[07:24] <jeroen_> better use something else then
[07:24] <thoreauputic> dooglus: hmm... the java trap in action then :/
[07:24] <caine> oh screw that
[07:25] <Shuddertrix> like bittornado-gui bittornado, like i recommended to you in a pm caine
[07:25] <jeroen_> yeah, screw java :p
[07:25] <dooglus> thoreauputic: yes, but...  it's SO pretty...  and SO functional!
[07:25] <thoreauputic> of course ;)
[07:25] <WhiteRabbit> Az is very nice
[07:25] <xyzx> Hey guys how do I open a port with ubuntu?
[07:25] <bob2> xyzx: ubuntu has no firewall by default
[07:25] <Shuddertrix> Azureus is crap mainly because it uses java and is too bloated, uses more resources then bittornado or the regular bittorrent client
[07:25] <dooglus> the ubuntu bittorrent tracker was down for a few days last week.  normal bittorrent clients were unable to download the ubuntu dvd for a few days, but the magic of azureus meant that the dvd was still available, even with the tracker down!
[07:26] <WhiteRabbit> Shuddertrix: FUD
[07:26] <Shuddertrix> WhiteRabbit: Heh.
[07:26] <jeroen_> Is bittornado good if you're only a sometimes-torrent-user?
[07:26] <Shuddertrix> Well, i consider it bloated because it uses more resources
[07:26] <jeroen_> I know use the Gnome torrent thing
[07:26] <WhiteRabbit> http://larytet.sourceforge.net/btRat.shtml  <-- this just hit /. today interesting bittorrent that hides your IP
[07:26] <jeroen_> now
[07:26] <Shuddertrix> jeroen_: yes
[07:26] <bob2> jeroen_: yes
[07:26] <dooglus> jeroen_: I managed for a long time just using the curses interface - that's fine.
[07:27] <Shuddertrix> bittornado-gui
[07:27] <xyzx> bob2,no need to open port 25 for postfix to receive mail?
[07:27] <bob2> xyzx: indeed
[07:27] <dooglus> xyzx: what do you mean 'open'?
[07:27] <pfp> btqueue.sourceforge.net is nice if you want to go light
[07:27] <bob2> xyzx: your isp may well be filtering it themselves, though
[07:27] <Shuddertrix> somehow, python+wxwindows is less bloaty for me then java
[07:28] <dooglus> http://www.pythonchallenge.com/ is quite fun - it's a puzzle site where you get to learn/use python to solve the puzzles.
[07:28] <xyzx> bob2,  when I ask canyouseeme.org for port 25 unswer is negative
[07:29] <WhiteRabbit> bob2: do you use ubuntu or debian more?
[07:29] <Shuddertrix> this cd-rw is taking much longer to erase then last time..
[07:29] <bob2> xyzx: then perhaps your isp is filtering it
[07:29] <bob2> WhiteRabbit: ubuntu, these days
[07:29] <jeroen_> bob2, xyzx, ubuntu comes with iptables, which is a firewall IIRC
[07:29] <Shuddertrix> speak of the devil, the thing popped out when i returned that line
[07:29] <bob2> jeroen_: yes, but it doesn't nothing by default
[07:29] <dooglus> the default iptables setup is to allow everything...
[07:30] <jeroen_> I installed bittornado-gui. Now I need something to download
[07:30] <bob2> "doesn't do anything", I mean.
[07:30] <xyzx> bob2, but I can send out email! if ISP is blocking outgoing mail should be blocked too!
[07:31] <dooglus> jeroen_: there are some torrents here: http://www.welcometothescene.com/download.shtml - it's a series of movies from the Sony corp about the warez scene
[07:31] <bob2> xyzx: no, that's not how it works, sorry
[07:31] <Shuddertrix> wow, how minimal resources k3b is taking when burning a cd
[07:31] <yesterday> w a r e z
[07:31] <dooglus> xyzx: your ISP could be blocking incoming connections to port 25 and not blocking any outgoing connections at all
[07:32] <xyzx> dooglus, OK I see
[07:32] <pfp> my isp includes an smtp relay service, because they block incoming port 25
[07:32] <bob2> all isps include smtp relay services
[07:32] <pfp> i meant inward
[07:32] <bob2> ah
[07:33] <pfp> you put them as 2. MX and so on
[07:36] <jeroen_> eww, btdownloadgui is ugly!
[07:37] <Shuddertrix> jeroen_: Can't be that ugly.
[07:37] <bob2> btdownloadcurses is where it's atr
[07:37] <Shuddertrix> Mine looks dashing, but i'm a KDE user and I am using the gtk-qt engine :D
[07:42] <dooglus> muine imported my playlist without a problem, and seems to be working fine.
[07:43] <dooglus> cplay needs a separate player - which do you suggest? mpg321, splay, mpg123 or madplay?
[07:43] <bob2> madplay
[07:44] <Tyche> I just installed Hula MTA with my Ubuntu installation and I'm wondering what my "object's distinguished name" might be.
[07:44] <bob2> do you know much about LDAP?>
[07:45] <spiderworm> hey all is there a way to get a version of a package installed via apt-cache?
[07:45] <bob2> apt-cache policy blah
[07:45] <thoreauputic> spiderworm: try apt-cache policy <package>
[07:45] <igni-> mmm, i recently installed the new ubuntu, 5.04
[07:46] <thoreauputic> bob2: rats, you're too quick for me ;)
[07:46] <igni-> it didnt ask me for a root pass during install
[07:46] <spiderworm> sweet thank you thoreauputic !
[07:46] <igni-> is this normal ?
[07:46] <spiderworm> and bob2!
[07:46] <bob2> igni-: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[07:46] <dooglus> oh no!!!  I just installed 'beep-media-player' and the default skin is a debian logo!  surely some mistake?!?
[07:46] <igni-> thx
[07:46] <bob2> igni-: yes, it's normal, and at the end of the install, it explained it to you
[07:46] <igni-> hehe
[07:46] <igni-> my bad
[07:46] <igni-> :)
[07:46] <igni-> lets read up
[07:47] <thoreauputic> dooglus: heh - install some xmms skins right away!
[07:47] <destiny> dooglus same here.
[07:47] <thoreauputic> dooglus: or winamp skins if that's your thing...
[07:47] <dooglus> thoreauputic: xmms skins work with beep-media-player?
[07:47] <thoreauputic> dooglus: yup
[07:48] <jeroen_> dooglus, search the ubuntuforums, there's a nice ubuntu skin somewhere
[07:48] <kain> ehe, if I load some skins every time I log back into my account beep media player stucks with default skin everytime
[07:48] <Plenteh> hey everyone
[07:48] <WhiteDove> hiya everyone
[07:48] <thoreauputic> kain: that's odd
[07:48] <destiny> hi.
[07:48] <WhiteDove> hows it going?
[07:48] <Plenteh> I have a bit of a problem installing ubuntu, I get to installing base package, and when it asks me to select a kernel, i pick one and it gives me an error each time
[07:48] <kain> it always happen to me, but not a prob
[07:49] <igni-> thx bob2
[07:49] <igni-> helped alot
[07:49] <igni-> :p
[07:49] <WhiteDove> I wonder if someone could help me please?
[07:49] <Plenteh> anyone know what could be causing that?
[07:50] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> man never change a good thing when it works
[07:50] <destiny> cafuego, are you here?
[07:50] <Tyche> Is Webmin not very popular with Ubuntu crowd? It is something I would like to use for a couple things, but it doesn't seem to play nicely.
[07:51] <WhiteDove> Plenteh: did you check against md5 checksum, to see if the iso was good?
[07:51] <Plenteh> no i did not
[07:51] <Plenteh> but i suppse it would help if i knew what that meant
[07:51] <WhiteDove> oh
[07:51] <Ubuntian> in France operating systems are spread like this: windows 96%, Mac 3% and linux 0.7% :-/
[07:52] <dooglus> jeroen_: do you mean http://anka.org/henrik/humanxmms/ ?
[07:52] <WhiteDove> an md5 checksum verifies that the iso is all there and not corrupt
[07:52] <Plenteh> how would i go about doing this checksum?>
[07:52] <WhiteDove> the same place you got the iso from
[07:52] <WhiteDove> you can get the md5 file there
[07:53] <dooglus> WhiteDove: if the .iso has been compromised on the server - changed in some way - wouldn't the md5 sum file have been changed to match it?
[07:53] <WhiteDove> now as for the program that checks the iso against the checksum, hmmmm. Any help guys?
[07:53] <bob2> md5sum.
[07:53] <dooglus> WhiteDove: just run "md5sum file.iso"
[07:53] <yesterday> and google md5 value
[07:53] <WhiteDove> I thought it was to make sure that the file wasn't corrput
[07:53] <Plenteh> got the iso from here
[07:53] <Plenteh> http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/5.04/
[07:54] <WhiteDove> downloads sometimes do corrupt
[07:54] <bob2> badly burnt disks are more often the problem
[07:54] <WhiteDove> oh, okay
[07:54] <WhiteDove> sorry. Im a newb to this. Lol
[07:54] <Plenteh> i downlaoded he dvd iso with Live on it
[07:55] <bob2> Plenteh: yes, you need to check that it was downloaded correctly, then that it was burnt correctly
[07:56] <bkinman> So, i want to see animation upon minimizing, i want transparency and drop shadows in xorg, where do i go?
[07:56] <dooglus> I like how the beep-media-player 'sticks' to the edge on my desktop.  Can I get all my windows to do the same?
[07:56] <oDysseas> how do you make X not run automaticaly at boot?
[07:56] <WhiteDove> bkinman: you need to install xcompmgr and transset
[07:57] <dooglus> oDysseas: I did it, but it was a little tricky
[07:57] <bob2> oDysseas: why do you want to do that?
[07:58] <bob2> e.g. are you reading a broken nvidia howto?
[07:58] <thoreauputic> dooglus: shift-drag
[07:58] <thoreauputic> dooglus: should snap to the edge in gnome
[07:58] <oDysseas> bob2: because I get a blank screen when X is starting and I want to try and fix it
[07:58] <oDysseas> this is a fresh install
[07:58] <Plenteh> i just ran FastSum on my dvd iso
[07:58] <dooglus> oDysseas: well, no, it wasn't that bad.  I did 2 things: 1) set the default runlevel to 2 in /etc/inittab and 2) stopped gdm from running in runlevel 2 using a program called sysv-rc-conf
[07:58] <Plenteh> and it didnt say anything
[07:59] <oDysseas> is there a way to kill X from the command line?
[07:59] <oDysseas> ctrl alt backspace doesn't work
[07:59] <dooglus> oDysseas: "sudo telinit 1" will take you to single user mode
[08:00] <thoreauputic> oDysseas: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:00] <dooglus> oDysseas: that's better, what thoreauputic said
[08:00] <WhiteDove> 0Dysseas: init 1
[08:00] <oDysseas> ok thanx a lot
[08:00] <WhiteDove> oh wel, lol
[08:00] <thoreauputic> telinit 1 will disconnect networking I think
[08:01] <WhiteDove> could someone please tell me how I setup my wireless card for my laptop please?
[08:01] <goldfish> WhiteDove: chipset?
[08:01] <drspin> what is the default password for webmin on Ubuntu??
[08:02] <WhiteDove> goldfish: all I know is that it is a Belkin
[08:02] <nemesis> hi
[08:02] <WhiteDove> brb
[08:02] <nemesis> need some help with synaptic
[08:02] <nemesis> anyone?
[08:02] <goldfish> WhiteDove: type 'lspci' in a terminal
[08:02] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> soot
[08:02] <goldfish> nemesis: what's up?
[08:02] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> shot
[08:02] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> shoot*
[08:02] <goldfish> :)
[08:02] <ted_> I have a general linux question, why does my hard disc run more under linux
[08:02] <yesterday> shoot a shot
[08:02] <nemesis> i would like to know where can i get a updated list of repositories
[08:02] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> lol yesterday
[08:03] <thoreauputic> drspin: run it from the root shell (sudo doesn't play nice with webmin)
[08:03] <daba> ted_: it is a jogging, more so than running, linux computers are more disciplined
[08:03] <drspin> thoreauputic: ????
[08:03] <goldfish> drspin: sudo bash
[08:03] <goldfish> then run it from there
[08:03] <toran> hey guys, does anyone have experience getting kmuddy [ http://kmuddy.net ]  running on ubuntu?
[08:03] <thoreauputic> or sudo -s
[08:03] <ted_> daba lol
[08:03] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> thoreauputic, smack me real hard if I ever decide to change from ubuntu ok ?
[08:04] <thoreauputic> Pop_pa_FrEaK: OK :)
[08:04] <nemesis> drspin you can also modify /etc/shadow and make "su" available
[08:04] <struggler> anyone for a procmail / spamassassin question (local .procmailrc not executed) ?
[08:04] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> I tried out FC3 and found it tooooooo bloated
[08:04] <bob2> struggler: just ask...
[08:05] <bkinman> Hrmm, i just installed xcompmgr and i dont have the transset command
[08:05] <goldfish> bkinman: did u install transset?
[08:05] <nemesis> so...anyone knows where to get a list of repositories?
 everything works fine except ~/.procmailrc isn't executed
[08:05] <drspin> nemesis: thoreauputic: goldfish: sudo -s | /etc/init.d/webmin restart |
[08:05] <drspin> ???
[08:05] <bob2> struggler: that's a MTA config issue, not a SA one
[08:05] <nemesis> is that for me goldfish?
[08:06] <nemesis> i mean... drspin?
[08:06] <bob2> struggler: what MTA are you using?
[08:06] <struggler> bob2: ok.. can you help me
[08:06] <drspin> nemesis: it means that you lost me and I'm guessing...
[08:06] <nemesis> hmmm
[08:06] <nemesis> ok
[08:06] <bkinman> goldfish nope
[08:06] <WhiteDove> goldfish: RaLink RaLink RT2500 802.11 Cardbus Reference Card (rev 01
[08:06] <nemesis> sorry
[08:06] <goldfish> bkinman: :)
[08:07] <goldfish> nemesis: em ubuntuguide.org has a sample sources.list but i think someone said it's dodgy ....
[08:07] <drspin> so if I set a password for root then dpkg-reconfigure webmin it should work
[08:07] <goldfish> Is there a repos list on ubuntulinux.org ?
[08:07] <WhiteDove> yeah, the backports on ubuntuguide aren't good
[08:07] <transgress> i think ubuntuguide's sources has backports
[08:07] <ted_> goldfish I have had no problems using the sources.list from ubuntuguide
[08:07] <transgress> heh
[08:07] <struggler> bob2: postfix
[08:07] <goldfish> neither did I
[08:07] <transgress> i don't find it to be of the best solution to leave backports on there all the time... although is firefox in backports?
[08:08] <bob2> struggler: then ~/.procmailrc will be run by default
[08:08] <bob2> struggler: watch your postfix logs to see what is happening
[08:08] <Jormundgand> I was trying to evangelise a heathen friend to Ubuntu and they replied that their job involved teaching Windows at a college. Is there some counter to this? What should I do?
[08:08] <transgress> perhaps if the backports ff doesn't require gnome support i will use it
[08:08] <transgress> Jormundgand: give up.
[08:08] <WhiteDove> See you later guys
[08:08] <thoreauputic> Jormundgand: tell the college to grow a brain
[08:09] <daba> Jormundgand: stop converting people, just tell them, ok, you live in ignorance, then, see ya later.\
[08:09] <transgress> you haven't seen me before though
[08:09] <nemesis> what do you do when trying to installing something synaptic says "package is not instantable?"
[08:09] <nemesis> using multiverse?
[08:09] <transgress> nemesis: looks like you don't install it.  and i bet you are using marillat aren't you?
[08:09] <Jormundgand> thoreauputic: Unfortunately colleges don't decide what they teach. It's a matter of curriculum.
[08:09] <nemesis> not sure about what's marillat
[08:09] <nemesis> the repository?
[08:09] <transgress> yes
[08:10] <struggler> bob2:according to the log, the global procmailrc is executing (invoking spamc) and the mail is delivered from there.  The local .procmailrc is never called.
[08:10] <transgress> ftp.nerim.net i think is what it is listened as...
[08:10] <transgress> err listed
[08:10] <bob2> struggler: global?
[08:10] <bob2> struggler: you specifically configured postfix to use a global one?
[08:10] <struggler> bob2: /etc/procmailrc
[08:10] <drspin> s no one has answered my question yet -- how can I log into webmin??
[08:10] <struggler> bob2: nope, never touched postfix
[08:10] <nemesis> transgress: grep says there isn't anything in sources.list about marillat or nerim
[08:11] <thoreauputic> Jormundgand: sad - so the people to lobby are the curriculum writers: how anyone can really learn about coding etc with a closed OS is beyond me...
[08:11] <struggler> bob2: just followed spamassassin directions
[08:11] <transgress> nemesis: what package isn't installable then?
[08:11] <zace> hoi
[08:11] <nemesis> transgress: amsn i think, i'm not sure
[08:12] <DarKnesS_WolF> who can i change the screen colors form 16bit to and from 32bit?
[08:12] <DarKnesS_WolF> sorry how *
[08:12] <transgress> nemesis: well if you can't give us details about the problem we can't really help.
[08:12] <nemesis> transgress: but the ones which are not installable are de dependences
[08:12] <transgress> well tell us the deps and what the error is...
[08:13] <nemesis> transgress: ok
[08:13] <nemesis> transgress: i'll tell you when i were sure, thanks
[08:13] <dooglus> drspin: what is your problem with webmin?  I just installed it and it worked immediately
[08:13] <oDysseas> after a fresh install is sshd running?
[08:14] <nemesis> transgress: any repository to add? i just got the ones which came with the original distribution
[08:14] <sig> oDysseas: no
[08:14] <sig> you have to install it
[08:14] <daba>  sudo aptitude install openssh-server is what you need to do, oDysseas.
[08:14] <thoreauputic> oDysseas: no -  sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[08:14] <daba> :-p
[08:14] <dooglus> drspin: run "sudo netstat -ap | grep 10000" - do you see a perl process listening on 10000?  if so, webmin is up
[08:14] <thoreauputic> or what daba said :)
[08:14] <oDysseas> and then will it start, or do I have to start it manualy?
[08:14] <dejava5> #yogyakarta
[08:14] <nern> hello again ubuntu folk
[08:15] <thoreauputic> oDysseas: it will start
[08:15] <oDysseas> ok thanx again
[08:15] <destiny> ok
[08:18] <Jeezis> should i add the breezy repositories to my ubuntu update manager? and if so what are the addresses?
[08:18] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: /topic
[08:19] <Jeezis> thoreauputic: ah, my bad :-p
[08:19] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hey thoreauputic is it easy to add musepack as an encoder to rip to ?
[08:19] <thoreauputic> :)
[08:19] <thoreauputic> Pop_pa_FrEaK: I haven't a clue
[08:19] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ok will look around
[08:20] <daba> better than looking asquare I always say...
[08:20] <struggler> bob2: thanks for your time, I'll start looking at the postfix config, maybe there is something in there
[08:21] <daba> dict pun I guess for me...
[08:25] <daba> thoreauputic: ok, I kinda get your point...
[08:27] <toran> hey guys, does anyone have experience getting kmuddy [ http://kmuddy.net ]  running on ubuntu?
[08:29] <thoreauputic> toran: #kubuntu maybe
[08:29] <toran> bah, there aren't as many people in there, a lot less likely to get my question answered -_-
[08:31] <] BreliC[> anyone here running AMD64 with 32-bit Ubuntu?
[08:31] <rubiojr> hey
[08:31] <rubiojr> good afternoon
[08:31] <goldfish> hmmm
[08:31] <goldfish> hi rubiojr
[08:31] <rubiojr> at least here
[08:31] <rubiojr> in ES
[08:31] <goldfish> ] BreliC[: Why would u do that? :)
[08:31] <rubiojr> :)
[08:31] <] BreliC[> i'm trying to figure out which mplayer to install... i have a K8 mobo, but in the repo, they only have K6 and K7... will those do?
[08:32] <] BreliC[> goldfish, because 64 ain't ready
[08:32] <goldfish> ] BreliC[: ah right, sorry, i was just curious :)
[08:32] <] BreliC[> goldfish, uh, 64bit... not enough packages
[08:32] <goldfish> ah
[08:32] <rubiojr> I've finally managed to get X working in a freesh breezy
[08:32] <yahalom> what do i need to edit in my xorg.conf in order to have ati work? change ati to fglrx and what else?
[08:32] <rubiojr> some glitches with the fonts
[08:32] <rubiojr> anyone had issues with this?
[08:32] <GNAM> ] BreliC[: I
[08:32] <daba> rubiojr: yes, known fact.
[08:32] <goldfish> yahalom: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:33] <GNAM> in two different pc
[08:33] <] BreliC[> GNAM, have you installed mplayer?  If so, which one?
[08:33] <yahalom> goldfish, y?
[08:33] <rubiojr> I've found some workarounds in the forums and bugzilla
[08:33] <yahalom> goldfish, i want 3D acceleration
[08:33] <goldfish> k
[08:33] <GNAM> mplayer? NO
[08:33] <goldfish> nm, misread the question.
[08:33] <daba> rubiojr: well, good for you...not much help about it here, tho.
[08:33] <rubiojr> ah
[08:34] <daba> rubiojr: cause its not supported yet by the devs, and whatnots, and this channel is mostly newbies, anyhow still.
[08:34] <rubiojr> I see
[08:34] <rubiojr> do you think it's a good idea
[08:34] <rubiojr> to go -devel
[08:34] <rubiojr> and comment there?
[08:34] <thoreauputic> rubiojr: no
[08:35] <rubiojr> pretty new
[08:35] <rubiojr> to debian/ubu bug reporting
[08:35] <thoreauputic> rubiojr: I wouldn't
[08:35] <rubiojr> suppose
[08:35] <rubiojr> I see
[08:35] <rubiojr> I'll let them work
[08:35] <rubiojr> then
[08:35] <rubiojr> :)
[08:35] <daba> rubiojr: no, they dont need you to file bugs about that, they know this, I think, but you can ask a nice polite question there...
[08:35] <rubiojr> Ok no problem
[08:36] <rubiojr> since I got it working
[08:36] <rubiojr> I only want to report
[08:36] <daba> disclaimer: afaik
[08:36] <rubiojr> but I'll wait
[08:36] <] BreliC[> has anyone installed mplayer on Ubuntu 32bit with an AMD64?
[08:36] <rubiojr> Anyway
[08:36] <thoreauputic> daba: most likely they would just refer him back here
[08:36] <rubiojr> thanks very much dudes
[08:36] <kotatsu> ] BreliC[: yes, why?
[08:36] <daba> !anyone
[08:36] <kotatsu> ] BreliC[: I've stopped compiling it myself and I just install from apt now
[08:37] <] BreliC[> kotatsu, which version did you install?  i'm just wondering which one i should choose (AMD64 3500+ K8N mobo)
[08:37] <kotatsu> I installed mplayer-k7
[08:37] <kotatsu> and mencoder-k7
[08:37] <] BreliC[> kotatsu, ok, no probs?
[08:37] <kotatsu> yup, work fine
[08:37] <] BreliC[> kotatsu, thanks.. i'll try that
[08:37] <dark_> irc://irc.ff.st/manga-france
[08:37] <kotatsu> really I don't think it makes a difference in actually working
[08:37] <kotatsu> it just affects performance
[08:38] <kotatsu> a 686 kernel runs perfectly on my AMD64 systems
[08:38] <kotatsu> but I use the k7 series
[08:38] <] BreliC[> i thought so, just didn't want to muck up the system :)
[08:38] <dooglus> when I run top, I see a line like this at the top of the screen:
[08:38] <dooglus> Cpu(s):  9.0% us,  1.0% sy,  0.0% ni,  0.0% id, 90.0% wa,  0.0% hi,  0.0% si
[08:38] <dooglus> what is 'wa'?  and why might it be at 90%?
[08:38] <dooglus> (funny that the man page for top doesn't say what all those 2 letter abbreviations stand for)
[08:39] <daba> without assignment, maybe, since it adds up to 100% with the us-user&sy-system.
[08:39] <thoreauputic> dooglus: yeah, I wish I could find that info too
[08:40] <newz2000> any one here have success with kickstart and hoary? My tests seem to install much more than I asked for it. My goal is to make a quick-install cd with a custom set of packages.
[08:40] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I guess it's user, system, nice, idle, then - um - 'wait'?  and as for 'hi' and 'si' I have no idea
[08:40] <dooglus> and if it's 'wait', well, a waiting process isn't using the cpu, so I don't get it...
[08:40] <thoreauputic> dooglus: yes, the first few seem pretty clear at least
[08:41] <dooglus> how weird not to document what the output means in the manual page though, eh?
[08:41] <daba> you guys think what I said makes sense?
[08:41] <thoreauputic> dooglus: my "wa" shows zero here
[08:41] <dooglus> daba: without assignment to what though?
[08:41] <thoreauputic> oh - actually 0.2%
[08:42] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I think mine is usually zero, but I'm running an 'updatedb' with my huge external drive mounted.
[08:42] <daba> wihout assignment to any of those other fields, idle in other words.
[08:42] <dogg> hey, anybody managed to compile wien under amd64 ???
[08:42] <thoreauputic> dooglus: hmm... w_   access ? Guessing...
[08:42] <dogg> i mean wine.
[08:43] <] BreliC[> kotatsu, that's strange... mplayer and mencoder through Synaptic complain that dependencies cannot be resolved
[08:43] <] BreliC[> kotatsu, Depends: libfontconfig1 (>=2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[08:43] <] BreliC[>   Depends: libvorbis0a (>=1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[08:43] <littleworm> is there any advanced math and geometry drawings app?
[08:43] <] BreliC[> i have all my repositories enabled..
[08:44] <dooglus> littleworm: did you see 'sodipodi'?  probably not what you're looking for, but maybe worth a try
[08:44] <destiny> ] BreliC[ exactly, disable marillat
[08:44] <thoreauputic> gnuplot?
[08:44] <] BreliC[> destiny, ahh, thanks
[08:44] <destiny> kk
[08:45] <dogg> anyone is using amd64 here ?
[08:45] <AirWays> What apt-get package is SSL for Apache?
[08:45] <AirWays> How I can install it?
[08:46] <wdh> AirWays, apt-cache search ssl |grep apache
[08:46] <] BreliC[> dogg, i am, but with 32bit Ubuntu
[08:46] <destiny> dogg did you try #wine? there is one, also a #cedega
[08:46] <wdh> AirWays, apache-ssl iirc
[08:46] <dogg> well...
[08:46] <thoreauputic> AirWays: apt-cache search apache | grep ssl
[08:46] <AirWays> libssl0.9.6 - SSL shared libraries (old version) <- that?
[08:46] <thoreauputic> haha
[08:46] <wdh> littleworm, can you explain more clear what you are looking for?
[08:46] <thoreauputic> wdh: same effect I guess ;)
[08:47] <jorgp> I just installed ubuntu and I have no sound, mixer channels are not muted and volumns are up and sound modules are loaded
[08:47] <wdh> thoreauputic, more or less :)
[08:47] <AirWays> libssl0.9.7  <-- That is SSL install files?
[08:47] <wdh> AirWays, you just want 'apache-ssl' i guess
[08:47] <AirWays> Well I want to install PhpBB forum and that needs SSL I think
[08:47] <AirWays> I dont remember
[08:48] <underdog> AirWays: no it doesn't
[08:48] <dogg> i saw on the ubuntu forum that some of the guys get it running and i get error while compiling" is not a valid 64 bit base/index expression" what is strange, cause i got the cvs server from ubuntu amd64 guide...
[08:48] <AirWays> No?
[08:48] <AirWays> Only PHP and mysql?
[08:48] <thoreauputic> AirWays: apt-cache show  apache-ssl to see
[08:48] <dogg> ssl is an additional component to phpbb2
[08:48] <dogg> only php and db.
[08:48] <dogg> to run.
[08:48] <AirWays> PostgreSQL <- I need that?
[08:48] <littleworm> wdh: not what i was looking for
[08:49] <underdog> AirWays: you can use mysql
[08:49] <AirWays> Okay
[08:49] <dogg> yeah, get mysql
[08:49] <wdh> AirWays, just install 'phpbb2' then
[08:49] <goldfish> dooglus: wait cpu percentage
[08:49] <wdh> AirWays, 'sudo apt-get install phpbb2'
[08:49] <wdh> littleworm, what _are_ you looking for?
[08:49] <AirWays> Where it goes?
[08:50] <wdh> AirWays, never mind.. open synaptic and search for that package
[08:50] <AirWays> I dont have X, that is server
[08:50] <wdh> where _what_ goes then?
[08:50] <AirWays> Nothing anymore
[08:50] <littleworm> wdh: i'm looking for an app which i can draw geometrical forms in it, and maybe functions
[08:50] <jeroen_> littleworm, maths?
[08:51] <thoreauputic> littleworm: apt-cache show gnuplot
[08:51] <wdh> littleworm, a CAD program? or gnuplot might work..
[08:51] <thoreauputic> littleworm: see if that is what you need
[08:51] <AirWays> You need to have mysql-server installed if you want the MySQL
[08:51] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: ?
[08:51] <AirWays> lol
[08:52] <underdog> AirWays: you need to have postgres installed if you want postgresql
[08:52] <zoddan> im having some problem with ubuntu, when i have logged into Gnome and after everything is loaded it locks up
[08:52] <zoddan> anyone have an ide ?
[08:53] <littleworm> how do i start gnuplot after i've installed it?
[08:53] <AirWays> ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) <- ERR?!?!?!
[08:53] <dogg> type gnuplot in terminal
[08:53] <dogg> you have to start mysql
[08:53] <dogg> /etc/init.d/mysqld start
[08:54] <AirWays> sudo: /etc/init.d/mysqld: command not found
[08:55] <wdh> AirWays, find a decent howto
[08:55] <dany> hallo
[08:55] <wdh> hi dany
[08:55] <underdog> AirWays: sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start
[08:55] <littleworm> is it a terminal app?
[08:56] <Predius> AirWays, /etc/init.d/mysql start
[08:56] <Predius> without the d
[08:57] <thoreauputic> littleworm: man gnuplot
[08:57] <littleworm> havn't understand a thing :)
[08:57] <underdog> littleworm: http://www.duke.edu/~hpgavin/gnuplot.html
[08:57] <AirWays> :E
[08:57] <nayif> ???? ?????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ?? ??????
[08:57] <underdog> google gnuplot tutorial, first link
[09:00] <amichai> anyone here familiar with ati?
[09:01] <nayif> amichai, ask your q
[09:01] <amichai> i did everything accordingly i think and i still get no 3d accel? can someone help me plz?
[09:02] <amichai> nayif, my fps is very low
[09:02] <nayif> amichai, did u change the ati to glxrc
[09:02] <amichai> nayif, yes
[09:03] <gangalee> is there a GUI for services in Hoary, like RedHat?
[09:03] <nayif> i read about that today
[09:04] <littleworm> wdh: i'm looking for an app which i can draw geometrical forms in it, and maybe functions
[09:04] <littleworm> gnuplot is shity
[09:04] <AirWays> Well, I want to install PostgreSQL, what is that package?
[09:04] <AirWays> postgresql-contrib - additional facilities for PostgreSQL
[09:04] <AirWays> postgresql-plr - Procedural language interface between PostgreSQL and R
[09:04] <AirWays> postgresql-plruby - Ruby procedural language for PostgreSQL
[09:04] <AirWays> Some those?
[09:04] <nayif> amichai, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=328703
[09:05] <thoreauputic> littleworm: wow - you mastered gnuplot in the las t few minutes? Congratulations....
[09:05] <Quest-Master> Hindi and Urdu users-- #ubuntu-hi and #ubuntu-ur
[09:05] <Quest-Master> :)
[09:05] <littleworm> i take my words back
[09:06] <littleworm> finaly i understood how to open it normally
[09:06] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: or he's afraid of the terminal!
[09:06] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: 'cause it'll eat your hd if you are not carefull! (true story)
[09:06] <thoreauputic> :)
[09:06] <AirWays> How I can install PostgreSQL
[09:07] <littleworm> it's very good, exactly what i needed
[09:09] <Frafra> hi
[09:09] <BrandonTurner> hello
[09:10] <jeroen_> Frafra, BrandonTurner, hi :)
[09:11] <BrandonTurner> i never really used ubuntu until yesterday i put it on my server
[09:11] <AirWays> How I can install PostgreSQL
[09:11] <BrandonTurner> and i think it is the best distro i have ever used
[09:11] <BrandonTurner> just some feedback for the devs
[09:11] <yeahwhoo-o> hi all
[09:12] <yeahwhoo-o> got a problem, i've got a new mobo, becouse the other one broke down
[09:12] <[koji] >  monodevelop 0.7-0ubuntu1~5.04ubp1 will install mozilla-browser why?
[09:12] <yeahwhoo-o> i'm using ubuntu on a sata disk, the sata disk is connected to a sata card on pci
[09:12] <yeahwhoo-o> on my old motherboard, the card was in PCI slot 2
[09:12] <yeahwhoo-o> now, it's in PCI slot 3
[09:12] <jeroen_> [koji] , because it depends on it, I guess. Check the mono website. If it doesn't really need mozilla, inform ubuntu devs
[09:13] <yeahwhoo-o> and i cant boot becouse it cant find my card in slot 2, is there a way to change the config?
[09:13] <jeroen_> [koji] , better don't because it's an ubp package, which are not official
[09:13] <jeroen_> [koji] , contact jdong
[09:13] <[koji] > jeroen_: yeah i am content with firefox
[09:13] <abisen> what is  a good svg editor in Linux
[09:14] <KragenSitaker> abisen:sodipodi, inkscape
[09:14] <abisen> KragenSitaker, given one choice which one will you pick
[09:15] <AirWays> How I can install that fucking postgresql?!
[09:16] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> what's a good kde based terminal ?
[09:16] <Morten^Toft> hmm, i have a strange problem
[09:16] <jeroen_> Pop_pa_FrEaK, konsole
[09:16] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> with copy and paste
[09:16] <Morten^Toft> when i write something in firefox the text "lags"
[09:17] <jeroen_> Pop_pa_FrEaK, maybe you need to press ctrl+shift+v to paste; that is the case in the gnome terminal
[09:17] <Morten^Toft> it's very annoying when writing emails from a webmail and such
[09:17] <KragenSitaker> abisen: i'm ignorant, but i've had success with sodipodi in the past, but inkscape looks nice
[09:17] <KragenSitaker> Morten^Toft: yeah, i hate that too.  let me know if you figure it out
[09:17] <Morten^Toft> Pop_pa_FrEaK, or shift-INS
[09:18] <Morten^Toft> KragenSitaker, ok i will :)
[09:19] <ubuntu> k
[09:19] <shido> has anyone ever burned a CD image to a DVD , how do you make an iso from the dvd the cd is 700mb but the dvd is 4.7Gb how do you make the 700mb iso off the dvd?
[09:20] <thoreauputic> AirWays: what's wrong with "sudo apt-get install postgresql "   ? the package exists...
[09:20] <bwlang> shido: i don't know for sure (never done this)... i think you want to google for growfs
[09:21] <batma8> hey everyone, i have my wirless working finally, and it is recognized at reboott..however 90 percent of the time it will only send outpackets and wont recieve any?
[09:21] <valentino> my ubuntu apt-get aint workin... if em using apt-get install xxx it was says E:Couldnt find package.. pls help me
[09:21] <mintee> what's the kernel verison for Ubuntu 5.04 "The Hoary Hedgehog"
[09:21] <batma8> any ideas?
[09:21] <yeahwhoo-o> hi all
[09:21] <yeahwhoo-o> got a problem, i've got a new mobo, becouse the other one broke down
[09:21] <yeahwhoo-o> i'm using ubuntu on a sata disk, the sata disk is connected to a sata card on pci
[09:21] <yeahwhoo-o> on my old motherboard, the card was in PCI slot 2
[09:21] <yeahwhoo-o> now, it's in PCI slot 3
[09:21] <yeahwhoo-o> and i cant boot becouse it cant find my card in slot 2, is there a way to change the config?
[09:21] <yeahwhoo-o> pls help :(
[09:22] <AirWays> Oh :D
[09:22] <jeroen_> yeahwhoo-o, you could try a bootable CD
[09:22] <thoreauputic> AirWays: apt-cache search is your friend...
[09:22] <mintee> what's the kernel verison for Ubuntu 5.04 "The Hoary Hedgehog" 2.6 or 2.4?
[09:22] <jeroen_> mintee, 2.6
[09:22] <mintee> as quit IRC ("reboot")
[09:22] <mintee> <j
[09:22] <bwlang> yeahwhoo-o: the slot number should not matter...
[09:22] <mintee> oops
[09:23] <mintee> jeroen_: Ok, thanks...  :D
[09:23] <thoreauputic> mintee: 2.6.10-5 or so
[09:23] <cvt> what package do i want to make my desktop look uber cool?
[09:23] <yeahwhoo-o> bwlang, but it says it can't boot becouse it can't find a bootable card on cpi slot 02
[09:24] <thoreauputic> cvt: ubercoolpackage
[09:24] <yeahwhoo-o> pci i mean
[09:24] <cvt> ah k
[09:24] <cvt> brb
[09:24] <thoreauputic> cvt ;)
[09:24] <mintee> thoreauputic: Yeah, i figured..  I'm lookgin for a good distro still using the 2.4.  Guess I'm just gonna stick with slackware
[09:24] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hmmm sudo: gedit: command not found
[09:24] <thoreauputic> Pop_pa_FrEaK: ? It's the default gnome editor...
[09:25] <batma8> hey everyone, i have my wirless working finally, and it is recognized at reboott..however 90 percent of the time it will only send outpackets and wont recieve any?
[09:25] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> thoreauputic, is there a setup faq for kubuntu ?
[09:25] <yeahwhoo-o> omg
[09:25] <thoreauputic> oops
[09:25] <wezzer-> wow
[09:25] <goldfish> ;p;
[09:25] <Fator_Dee> *kaboom*
[09:25] <jeroen_> aargh
[09:25] <jeroen_> that scared me
[09:25] <batma8> wow
[09:25] <mintee> wb everybody
[09:25] <wezzer-> that was quite fast
[09:25] <Riddell> Pop_pa_FrEaK: kubuntu.org documentation
[09:25] <AirWays> Warning: pg_connect(): Unable to connect to PostgreSQL server: FATAL: IDENT authentication failed for user "petteri" in /home/petteri/http/users/airways/phpBB2/db/postgres7.php on line 79
[09:25] <AirWays> phpBB : Critical Error
[09:25] <AirWays> Could not connect to the database
[09:25] <teknoprep> ok this makes no sense whatsoever
[09:26] <bwlang> yeahwhoo-o: this is not a ubuntu issue... it's a hardware problem.  try to "reset pnp data" in your bios
[09:26] <AirWays> It says like that when i'm trying to install PhpBB
[09:26] <SeverePit> screenshot screenshots
[09:26] <SeverePit> show me
[09:26] <thoreauputic> AirWays: it really sounds like you need to google for some howtos
[09:26] <bwlang> yeahwhoo-o: your card must be recognized by your bios before you can do anything
[09:27] <SigNagE> hell everyone
[09:27] <SigNagE> o
[09:27] <thoreauputic> heaven, SigNagE
[09:27] <SigNagE> could someone be so kind as to tell me the main advantages and difadvantages of Ubuntu :)
[09:27] <thoreauputic> SigNagE: it works
[09:27] <hussam> Hi I need help. I get no sound from tvtime. I searched ubuntuforums.org. I found this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38677
[09:28] <hussam> can somebody help?
[09:28] <Fator_Dee> SigNagE: well, it's easy to use and install, it's actively developed
[09:28] <jeroen_> SigNagE, disadvantages: it's hard to pronounce
[09:28] <thoreauputic> SigNagE: disadvantages: you need to set up multimedia
[09:28] <mintee> would someone do me a huge favor and try to compile a module for me, using the 2.6.10 stock kernel, before i go thru the process of d/ling and installing ubuntu
[09:28] <SigNagE> how do you mean set up multimedia?
[09:28] <Fator_Dee> jeroen_: depends what is your native language :-p
[09:28] <arkos> are they some one who speaks french ?
[09:28] <thoreauputic> ! restricted
[09:28] <jeroen_> Fator_Dee, yours is old-african?
[09:28] <ubotu> methinks restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:29] <jeroen_> ubotu, not completely true
[09:29] <ubotu> jeroen_: I don't know
[09:29] <thoreauputic> SigNagE: see ubotu's UEL
[09:29] <Fator_Dee> jeroen_: if the pronunciation is similar, it doesn't matter
[09:29] <SigNagE> UEL? (im a linux newbie looking for the right distro :P)
[09:29] <thoreauputic> jeroen_: he's only a young bot ;)
[09:29] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> thinking I should of stuck with ubuntu as things are alot dofferent for setting up
[09:29] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> different
[09:29] <thoreauputic> SigNagE: sorry I meant url - follow the link
[09:30] <SigNagE> ok
[09:30] <batma8> anyone in here have any luck gettin wirless lans working?
[09:30] <jeroen_> thoreauputic, oh, I see now
[09:30] <Fator_Dee> jeroen_: and no, I speak finnish
[09:31] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> screw it i'll go back to ubuntu and live with amarok in gnome
[09:31] <SigNagE> is it basically debian with a different name and regular updates?
[09:31] <SigNagE> by regular i mean scheduled :P
[09:31] <Fator_Dee> SigNagE: well, very crudely so
[09:31] <SeverePit> how do i get galaxa game on ubuntu?
[09:31] <thoreauputic> SigNagE: it has a 6 month release cycle
[09:31] <jeroen_> SigNagE, sort of
[09:31] <nayif> hi
[09:31] <b2s> batma8: I'm wireless right now :)
[09:32] <Fator_Dee> SigNagE: it is, but it is not :-)
[09:32] <b2s> SeverePit: search in synaptic, I know there is one
[09:32] <mintee> b2s: Uh, your cord is hanging out of your pants leg.. ;)
[09:32] <batma8> b2s: wierdest damn thing
[09:32] <thoreauputic> SigNagE: during the 6 months, you get security updates and major bug fixes
[09:32] <batma8> it sends packets
[09:32] <SeverePit> kthx
[09:32] <batma8> but wont recieve
[09:32] <b2s> batma8: type of adapter?
[09:32] <HiBall> I just installed & got "one or more packages failed to install" - how to tell which?
[09:32] <thoreauputic> SigNagE: each release is supported for 18 months
[09:33] <batma8> rlink
[09:33] <SigNagE> well, all i wanna do is use the net and have a lot of little addons to help me customize the OS without having to code / keep me ammused (and graphics tools (the equiv to photoshop (gimp i think?)))
[09:33] <neuneu> arkos, #ubtuntu-fr
[09:33] <batma8> b2s: Rt2500
[09:33] <thoreauputic> SigNagE: gimp is installed by default
[09:33] <batma8> i went thru a tutorial
[09:33] <batma8> and it works..
[09:33] <SigNagE> gd gd
[09:33] <b2s> batma8: hmm, what sort of adapter is that?  is it supported by a native driver?  Mine uses ndiswrapper...
[09:33] <batma8> but then randomly..it wont work
[09:33] <batma8> i use ndiswrapper also
[09:34] <thoreauputic> SigNagE: as is firefox
[09:34] <SigNagE> so would ubuntu meet my needs?
[09:34] <thoreauputic> SigNagE: definitely
[09:34] <jeroen_> SigNagE, yep
[09:34] <SigNagE> is there something else that would do a better job?
[09:34] <batma8> brb
[09:34] <thoreauputic> SigNagE: heh - we're a bit biased here :)
[09:34] <jeroen_> SigNagE, would we in #ubuntu now?
[09:34] <b2s> batma8: ok, what version of ndiswrapper do you have?  I've found that several adapters (mostly broadcom) require a later version than is installed in hoary.
[09:34] <SigNagE> lol
[09:34] <mintee> could someone, anyone tell me if this (http://download.qlogic.com/drivers/27588/qla4xxx-5.00.02.tar.gz) compiles cleanly with ubuntu-latest.
[09:35] <hussam> can somebody help me figure out why I can't get sound from tvtime?
[09:35] <SigNagE> so the main disadvantage of ubuntu is......
[09:35] <thoreauputic> SigNagE: the community is great
[09:35] <thoreauputic> SigNagE: I think the main disadvantage is probably multimedia support - but the fixes are fairly easy
[09:35] <b2s> SigNagE: I would think ubuntu would be fine for your purposes.
[09:36] <thoreauputic> SigNagE: the url I gave you from the bot tells you how
[09:36] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: but multimedia support isn't actually ubuntu's fault :-\
[09:36] <SeverePit> i wanna see a screenshot plz.
[09:36] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: of course
[09:36] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: or should I say canonicals fault
[09:37] <nayif> how can i know if ssh start or not ? on redhat service sshd status how can i do that on ubuntu ?
[09:38] <Fator_Dee> nayif: ps -A | grep sshd
[09:38] <Munkey> can someone help me with installing an app?
[09:38] <nayif> Fator_Dee, thanks
[09:38] <Fator_Dee> Munkey: just ask
[09:38] <Fator_Dee> nayif: no prob
[09:38] <thoreauputic> nayif: or if pgrep sshd return a number, it's running
[09:38] <b2s> ... the only thing I'm missing in ubuntu is flash support (which I didn't have installed in windows either)... mainly because I'm running everything 64bit
[09:39] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: gah, didn't know of that command :-p
[09:39] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: useful one :)
[09:39] <mintee> did anyone try compiling that module
[09:39] <mintee> ?
[09:39] <Fator_Dee> I had to tell him to hack it out :-p
[09:40] <Munkey> I downloaded a .deb file, and its got 2 tar.gz files. how do i install it??
[09:40] <xinud> asus A8V softraid kubuntu works fine , tnx (k)ubuntu team
[09:41] <nayif> thor|afk, thanks
[09:41] <Arafat_> Hi all updated my hoary distro to breezy but x does not want to start anymore...
[09:41] <cspnico> hiii
[09:41] <AirWays> I have now installed phpbb2, where is it now, I mean all those files ?
[09:41] <Arafat_> I'm running it on a dell notebook with an ati x300
[09:42] <cspnico> i would like install thee icon from http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=13548 but it doesn t work
[09:42] <saif> hello all, i ordered hoary in march, but i still haven't gotten anything, did shipit stop shipping??? or what is the problem?
[09:42] <olimar>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY averroes
[09:42] <olimar> Arafat is now known as Olimar ;)
[09:42] <SigNagE> so hows Mandriva?
[09:42] <cspnico> olimar:<yo beautifull passwork
[09:42] <olimar> any help on this pls?
[09:43] <jeroen_> SigNagE, it has rpm :/
[09:43] <SigNagE> rpm?
[09:43] <olimar> cspnico yeah bad :/
[09:43] <yahalom> damn ati drivers, i'm going to throw this box out of the windows
[09:43] <cspnico> lol
[09:43] <jeroen_> redhat package management
[09:43] <SigNagE> so it doesnt make a good OS?
[09:43] <cspnico> nobody know about icons
[09:43] <olimar> yahalom do you also experience problems with breezy and ati GC?
[09:44] <yahalom> olimar, not using breezy
[09:44] <jeroen_> I *hate* rpm, but that's because of suse, I don't know about mandriva
[09:44] <olimar> well hoary worked but breezy doesn't...
[09:44] <olimar> for me at least...
[09:44] <SigNagE> what does redhat package management mean?
[09:44] <cspnico> then how install icon?
[09:45] <SigNagE> like a version of redhat?
[09:45] <jeroen_> it's a package manager which eh.. manages your packages
[09:45] <kori[idiot] > SigNagE, redhat's debs
[09:45] <b2s> AirWays: dpkg -L phpbb2
[09:45] <SigNagE> so it isnt an actual distro... its a manager for redhat?
[09:45] <Fanskapet> agh.. doesn't ndiswrapper support scanning??
[09:46] <b2s> Fanskapet: it does for me
[09:46] <jeroen_> SigNagE, it manages the installation of software
[09:46] <jorgp_> anyone else having sound issues?
[09:46] <Fanskapet> b2s, well for me too but i read something about that in the forum.. regarding that gtkwifi gui
[09:46] <kori[idiot] > for a certain set of distro's
[09:46] <Fanskapet> it runs slow as hell and in the "device" field it says that my card doesn't support some features.. and i assume it's scanning
[09:47] <Fanskapet> since the whole app runs damn slow.. maybe it tries to scan in the background or something.
[09:47] <cspnico> "Le chargement de l'image gnome-fs-directory a chou" >but the picture exist
[09:47] <cspnico> nobody know?
[09:47] <b2s> scanning doesn't really require a lot of app support
[09:47] <lok> cspnico: you paste a french message in a english channel ...
[09:48] <Fanskapet> b2s if it's a good written app that is :)
[09:48] <Fanskapet> but i assume that this app is bundled with alot of ugly-code" :D
[09:48] <b2s> Fanskapet: fair enough ;)  I always recommend people upgrade to ndiswrapper 1.1 anyway... works much better for me than the ndiswrapper in hoary
[09:48] <cspnico>  lok:>exact
[09:48] <Fanskapet> b2s well i use that RC1 one :)
[09:49] <Fanskapet> since im on 64bit ubuntu
[09:49] <cspnico> "the load of the picture: gnome-fs-directory failed" >but the picture exist
[09:49] <cspnico> why?
[09:49] <b2s> Fanskapet: I'm on 64bit, and it wouldn't work at all until I got 1.1 from ndiswrapper.sf.net
[09:49] <cspnico> and it seems that is it for all icons
[09:49] <b2s> Fanskapet: there's a wiki for amd64 ubunto with ndiswrapper I helped write...
[09:49] <lok> b2s: if you use ndiswrapper on a 64bits think that the dll must be a 64bits one too
[09:50] <Fanskapet> b2s, yeah i know.. but i couldn't get the previus version to work.. so i downloaded the latest one.
[09:50] <Fanskapet> and that one did work :)
[09:50] <b2s> Fanskapet: so what version are you using then?
[09:51] <Fanskapet> b2s, ndiswrapper-1.2-rc1
[09:52] <Fanskapet> but i haven't found a gui app that feels right for me yet.
[09:53] <nogf> hi all
[09:54] <goldfish> hello
[09:54] <b2s> Fanskapet: yeah, gui sucks :) ...seriously though, what's wrong with the network tool that comes with ubuntu?  I guess it doesn't let you set up wpa if you need that
[09:54] <nogf> um i don';t know  what kernel to chose in the install
[09:54] <nogf> linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[09:54] <nogf> or linux-386
[09:55] <nogf> or linux-image-386
[09:55] <b2s> nogf: the shorter two are probably virtual packages that point at the longer one
[09:55] <nogf> ubuntu says: "The list shows the available kernels. Please choose one of them in order to"
[09:56] <nogf> b2s: ah
[09:56] <nogf> b2s: so just chose the longer one cause thats the one any way?
[09:56] <b2s> nogf: just grab linux-386 and you should be fine
[09:56] <nogf> oh
[09:57] <nogf> ok
[09:57] <nogf> bs2: linux-386 it is
[09:57] <b2s> well, I just checked the actual package, and linux-386 also installs the "restricted" modules, which may be helpful
[09:57] <nogf> :D
[09:57] <nogf> oh ok
[09:58] <nogf> where can i see this informatoin?
[09:58] <_Church_Of_Foamy> is it possible to install xp on the same hd after ubuntu is installed?
[09:58] <b2s> nogf: I ran: aptitude show linux-386
[09:58] <kori[idiot] > _Church_Of_Foamy, yes
[09:58] <kori[idiot] > but you have to reinstall grub after
[09:58] <Fanskapet> b2s, well i prefer a app in the tray that shows a baloon popup when a new network is around and that stuff.
[09:58] <b2s> _Church_Of_Foamy: I recommend installing xp first, but yes :)
[09:59] <Fanskapet> since im a BeOS user
[09:59] <_Church_Of_Foamy> ok
[09:59] <kori[idiot] > if you want to touch you linux
[09:59] <kori[idiot] > ever again...
[09:59] <Fanskapet> and therfore. a GUI whore :D
[09:59] <_Church_Of_Foamy> oh ok
[09:59] <nogf> _Church_Of_Foamy: its usually esayer the other way round tho
[09:59] <b2s> Fanskapet: doesn't that already happen?  it works in mine
[09:59] <_Church_Of_Foamy> ok
[09:59] <dooglus> installing XP 2nd will wipe out the boot loader, but you can add it back again afterwards, right?
[09:59] <Fanskapet> b2s nah not with the ordinary gui? or does it? it just shows the signal strength of the network you are connected too?
[10:00] <b2s> Fanskapet: hmm, maybe.  I don't wander too much, so I'm not sure
[10:00] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i was thinking that i could create an xp partition on the same hd so that i could play this game
[10:00] <_Church_Of_Foamy> it won't work in linux
[10:00] <_Church_Of_Foamy> :(
[10:01] <thor|afk> _Church_Of_Foamy: you can do that - but it's easiest if you have XP installed first and make free space for ubuntu
[10:01] <_Church_Of_Foamy> hmmm what about this?
[10:01] <Fanskapet> b2s, hmm you know what file to edit to get your mounted partitions to get them appear in the gnome "Computer" window ?
[10:01] <thor|afk> _Church_Of_Foamy: the grub bootloader will load either oS
[10:01] <Fanskapet> tried to make a link in the /media/ folder even mounth them directly there.. but that didn't do the drick
[10:01] <Fanskapet> trick even :)
[10:01] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i keep ubuntu on 1 hd and put xp on the other hard drive
[10:02] <_Church_Of_Foamy> on the secondary ide channel?
[10:02] <thoreauputic> _Church_Of_Foamy: best to make XP primary
[10:02] <thoreauputic> *primary
[10:02] <_Church_Of_Foamy> screw xp lol
[10:02] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i want ubuntu has pri
[10:02] <b2s> Fanskapet: no, I don't know, I've wondered that though ;)
[10:02] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i'm gonna slave it to my cd rom
[10:02] <thoreauputic> _Church_Of_Foamy: XP won't boot easily from @ndary
[10:03] <Fanskapet> ok :)
[10:03] <thoreauputic> secondary
[10:03] <_Church_Of_Foamy> not even has secondary master?
[10:03] <goldfish> windows gets angry when its not primary
[10:03] <thoreauputic> _Church_Of_Foamy: windows likes to think it is the only system in existence...
[10:03] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i got my ubuntu just the way i like it hate to have to redo it lol
[10:03] <_Church_Of_Foamy> yea well i got news for it it's not lol
[10:04] <zombics> can i run ubuntu i386 with an AMD 64 prossesor?
[10:04] <zenrox> no
[10:04] <_Church_Of_Foamy> so if i take out my ubuntu drive and put a hd in on the secondary ide channel and install xp
[10:05] <thoreauputic> zombics: yes
[10:05] <_Church_Of_Foamy> than put my ubuntu hd in and reconfig grub will it work?
[10:05] <thoreauputic> zenrox: yes, he can
[10:05] <zenrox> thoreauputic,  ya but it ant optimized for it
[10:05] <zombics> thoreauputic, it will run just like any 32BIT prossesor right?
[10:06] <thoreauputic> zenrox: true, but it will still outperform a 386 system
[10:06] <thoreauputic> easily
[10:06] <_hp_> which codec do i need for mplayer to play wmv?
[10:06] <_Church_Of_Foamy> so can that be done?
[10:06] <thoreauputic> _hp_: get w32codecs
[10:06] <_Church_Of_Foamy> or should i just scrap everthing and just start from scratch?
[10:07] <thoreauputic> _Church_Of_Foamy: swap your drives around and save yourself a lot of trouble
[10:07] <_hp_> thoreauputic: there is n osuch package
[10:07] <thoreauputic> _hp_: erm, yes there is
[10:07] <thoreauputic> ! restricted
[10:07] <ubotu> methinks restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:07] <_Church_Of_Foamy> so do the thing i wanted to do?
[10:07] <thoreauputic> _hp_: see that url
[10:07] <_Church_Of_Foamy> and just rebuild grub
[10:08] <thoreauputic> _Church_Of_Foamy: you've been told...
[10:08] <_hp_> thanks
[10:08] <_Church_Of_Foamy> ok
[10:08] <zoddan> why is ubuntu saying "insert cd" ?
[10:08] <Amaranth> you have the CD as one of your apt sources
[10:08] <zoddan> i just want to download it not inserting a cd
[10:08] <thoreauputic> zoddan: because you haven't removed the CD from your sources list
[10:08] <zoddan> ok
[10:08] <Amaranth> you can remove it in synaptic
[10:09] <zombics> _Church_Of_Foamy, you can... you can even just set in the bios to bot from hda or hdb so you dont even need to reinstall grub. just make your bios boot your OS boot.
[10:10] <flodine> is xfce 4.2.2 out for ubuntu
[10:10] <crimsun_> no, not yet
[10:11] <crimsun_> waiting for CXX transition
[10:11] <flodine> whats that
[10:11] <crimsun_> updating c++ libraries
[10:11] <crimsun_> (rather, updating them as necessary so they'll build with a new version of g++)
[10:12] <yonil> I've downloaded a package with sudo, how can i check what files it installed ?
[10:12] <flodine> or new os
[10:12] <yonil> lol i mean apt-get
[10:12] <yonil> when i said sudo X_X
[10:12] <thoreauputic> yonil: dpkg -l <packagename>
[10:12] <thoreauputic> oops
[10:12] <yonil> ?
[10:12] <thoreauputic> dpkg -L packagename
[10:12] <thoreauputic> upper case
[10:13] <yonil> thanks
[10:13] <dooglus> my sources.list file has 'archive.ubuntu.com' URLs in it, but I'm in Europe.  Shouldn't I have a european site instead of the .com one?
[10:14] <crimsun_> dooglus: CC.archive.ubuntu.com, where CC is the country code
[10:14] <thoreauputic> dooglus: is this warty or hoary? Hoary should give you your country code
[10:15] <AirWays> How I can get that Squirremails HTML login page?
[10:15] <dooglus> thoreauputic: this is hoary.  I told it my country when I installed, but it set my up using the .com address...
[10:16] <dooglus> thoreauputic: how should hoary give me my country code?  I'm not sure I follow you.
[10:16] <thoreauputic> dooglus: crimsun is right -  CC.archive.ubuntu.com, where CC is the country code
[10:16] <thoreauputic> dooglus: mine is au so au is prepended
[10:17] <thoreauputic> dooglus: does that make sense?
[10:18] <dooglus> thoreauputic: sorry, I was away, hunting the slivovice
[10:18] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I understand.  but should hoary have put the 'cz.' in for me?  or am I expected to know that I have to put it there?
[10:19] <thoreauputic> dooglus: my understanding is thet it should be put in for you
[10:19] <thoreauputic> dooglus: mine was put in automatically
[10:19] <dooglus> thoreauputic: that's strange then.
[10:20] <b2s> dooglus: yes, cz.archive.ubuntu.com would be good, assuming cz is where you live...
[10:20] <thoreauputic> dooglus: hmm - maybe there is no cz sever address, I don't know
[10:20] <thoreauputic> *server
[10:20] <batma8> why would a wireless adapter send but not recieve any packets
[10:21] <dooglus> oh dear.  lots of error messages, for example:
[10:21] <dooglus> Err http://cz.security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/multiverse Packages
[10:21] <dooglus>   Could not resolve cz.security.ubuntu.com
[10:21] <medkit> To enable browsing in CUPS web-interface issue /usr/share/cups/enable_browsing (quoted from cupsd.conf)
[10:21] <dooglus> Get:9 http://cz.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Sources [175kB]  is fine.
[10:21] <medkit> Did that, restarted CUPS, no browsing. Arhg
[10:23] <dooglus> seems that security.ubuntu.com get redirected to archive.ubuntu.com anyway - so maybe I can use cz.archive.ubuntu.com instead of cz.security.ubuntu.com
[10:23] <thoreauputic> medkit:  /etc/cups/cupsd-browsing.conf
[10:23] <thoreauputic>   I think
[10:23] <thoreauputic> medkit: not on by default
[10:23] <abisen> is there a way i can define a shortcut to clean my desktop (hide all windows) i have a ibm laptop and i dont have any windows-specific metakeys
[10:24] <batma8> anyone in here a pro at config with a wireless internet adapter?
[10:24] <medkit> thoreauputic, To *enable* browsing in CUPS web-interface issue /usr/share/cups/enable_browsing 1.
[10:25] <zoddan> what does M mean in kernel config ?
[10:25] <dooglus> zoddan: Module
[10:25] <gwm> module?
[10:25] <zoddan> ok
[10:25] <thoreauputic> medkit: perhaps I misunderstood you, sorry
[10:25] <zoddan> so whats the difference betwen M and * ?
[10:25] <dooglus> it means don't build it into the kernel, but leave it as a module which can be optionally loaded.
[10:25] <zoddan> whats best ?
[10:26] <thoreauputic> medkit: did you look at the file I mentioned, though?
[10:26] <medkit> thoreauputic, nevermind. Finally got my Router attached Canon printer working.
[10:26] <dooglus> zoddan: some things you need to leave built in - if your boot partion is in reiserfs format, for instance, you'll need to make sure that reiserfs is built into the kernel.
[10:26] <medkit> thoreauputic, i did
[10:26] <thoreauputic> OK
[10:26] <zoddan> dooglus: ok
[10:26] <anatole> is there no way to show filenames with non-utf8 encoding correctly?
[10:26] <dooglus> zoddan: I try to leave as much as possible as modules - it reduces the size of the kernel
[10:27] <medkit> thoreauputic, and for the life of me, it had to be a lpd printer. Took me hours to find that out. Case now closed.
[10:28] <thoreauputic> I think I used an ipp address - it's been a while since I set my printer up
[10:28] <medkit> thoreauputic, tried that also. But any cups setting did not work.
[10:29] <medkit> thoreauputic, any cups ipp setting i mean
[10:29] <thoreauputic> I see
[10:32] <mello6> do you guys think the backports are safe yet?
[10:32] <lok> yet ?
[10:32] <mello6> yet.
[10:32] <thoreauputic> mello6: short answer: no
[10:32] <thoreauputic> IMHO
[10:32] <mello6> i was thinking about getting firefox 1.0.4
[10:32] <dooglus> thoreauputic: what do you see if you run "grep hoary-security /etc/apt/sources.list" please?
[10:33] <lok> mello6: juste change the right string in about:plugins
[10:33] <lok> about:config
[10:33] <dooglus> thoreauputic: because: "unknown host au.security.ubuntu.com"
[10:33] <dooglus> mello6: get the new firefox 1.1 alpha instead?
[10:33] <thoreauputic> dooglus: I get 4 lines
[10:34] <dooglus> thoreauputic: what are the hostnames?
[10:34] <thoreauputic> dooglus: I can paste in #flood if you care to look
[10:34] <dooglus> ok.  i'll looking...
[10:34] <mello6> why the alpha?
[10:34] <mello6> is that the nightly release's name?
[10:36] <sval> hello, 've a linux system install on one WD raptor HDD. I will soon buy a new raptor and want to make RAID 0. Do i
[10:36] <sval> hello, 've a linux system install on one WD raptor HDD. I will soon buy a new raptor and want to make RAID 0
[10:36] <sval> Do i
[10:37] <sval> Do i have to reinstall all the system ? or just configure my asus motherboard to use both hdd with raid0 ?
[10:40] <floater_> Hi. My dev/dsp does not exist. I tried ./MAKEDEV audio with no success. I heard I could try modprobing or insmoding it. What commands should I go for ?
[10:43] <polie> hi all
[10:43] <stormgnu> How do i change my resulotion in the easiest way?
[10:44] <polie> any one got bluetooth to work on warty yet?
[10:44] <WhiteRabbit> ctrl+alt+- or +
[10:44] <kart_> Main Menu-->System-->Prf.-->Screen Resolution
[10:44] <stormgnu> yes
[10:44] <stormgnu> I did that and this showed: Xlib:  extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0".
[10:45] <stormgnu> I followed a ATI driver guide and it everything went smoth but then this showed up :/
[10:46] <TribooN> Hi
[10:46] <stormgnu> Anyone know what it means?
[10:46] <linuxboy> where can i find descriptions of the ubuntu repositories? ie main, universe etc etc
[10:46] <polie> anyone got bluetooth to work?
[10:47] <TribooN> Does anyone know how to install graphics drivers (nvidia geforce2 gts)? i downloaded them but it doesn't work.
[10:48] <goldfish> TribooN: did u follow the instuctions at ubuntuguide.or?
[10:48] <goldfish> *org
[10:49] <polie> does any one use bluetooth here
[10:49] <TribooN> i didn't just installed ubuntu 3 minutes ago
[10:49] <TribooN> i will do so
[10:49] <stormgnu> Im getting do damn tired of this... How can it be so damn hard to install a ATI driver and change the resolution?
[10:49] <blueskiesokie> i have just installed ubuntu . i had to change video cards from Ati to Nvidia. i did reconfigured xserver .. it is suppossed to be using 800x600. but it is only coming up 640x480 ?
[10:51] <glill32> hello, i am someone that just installed ubuntu as an alternative to windows xp, a 63 year old retired police dispatcher, how are you all doing today?
[10:51] <blueskiesokie> that's my problem too ? i can't get the resolution to actually change .. only set to use 800x600 and 1024x768 . but it is still only doing 640x480 ? and that is all that shows up in the screen resolution ..
[10:51] <blueskiesokie> ?
[10:51] <dooglus> try a traceroute on au.archive.ubuntu.com - it will go via the USA and back...
[10:52] <uggwar> my newly built mono-utils 1.1.7 packages seems to lack the dh_netdeps scripts... have i done something wrong?
[10:52] <plod> doing good glill32 u well
[10:52] <plod> ?
[10:53] <zoddan> where is bootsplash in kernel config ?
[10:53] <glill32> Well, I just installed here, and I'm having some problems...
[10:53] <dooglus> there's a list of mirrors here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive
[10:53] <glill32> I cannot get my monitors to act like they did under Windows XP.
[10:53] <plod> am just in suse on this machine but im sure somebody will be able to help ya ask away
[10:53] <lok> zoddan: there is no bootsplash option in the kernel unless you add it
[10:54] <wulfy814> anyone install the zaptel drivers for the digum cards successfully?
[10:54] <zoddan> lok: dah
[10:55] <thoreauputic> dooglus: as bob2 said, it ends up at  ge-0-0.access8.lon2.mnet.net.uk via the US - funny !
[10:55] <zoddan> lok: im compaling
[10:55] <zoddan> lok: i need to know ehere it is so i can select it
[10:55] <thoreauputic> dooglus: so the au sever is in the UK - what a joke
[10:55] <dooglus> thoreauputic: so I'm going to use ubuntu.cz instead...  that doesn't go via several oceans...
[10:55] <polie> any one using warty in here>/
[10:55] <wulfy814> I have successfully compiled, and used apt to install
[10:55] <thoreauputic> *server
[10:55] <lok> zoddan: bootsplash isn't in the kernel
[10:55] <lok> not in normal kernel
[10:55] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I guess you should pick a source from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive
[10:55] <lok> there's methode to add one
[10:56] <thoreauputic> dooglus: what *are* they thinking?
[10:56] <thoreauputic> dooglus: indeed
[10:56] <lok> and the simple way is to wait for the ubuntu splash in breezy
[10:56] <stormgnu> ok a very newbish question, after ive run the make_install.sh script on a program, what do i do?
[10:56] <zoddan> lok: ...
[10:56] <zoddan> lok: im lookin for in the the config
[10:56] <wulfy814> however when I do modprobe zaptel, I get "FATAL: Module wctdm not found.
[10:56] <wulfy814> FATAL: Error running install command for wctdm
[10:57] <dooglus> stormgnu: as a newbie, are you sure you want to be running make_install.sh, and not just using synaptic to download and install a binary package?
[10:57] <glill32> I have two monitors connected to a "ATI Radeon 90000", dual head, one of them is a 36" CRT running at 800x600 at 60Hz, the other one is a 17" running 1280x1024. I just get mirrored screens running at 640x480 now.
[10:57] <lok> zoddan: I understand that and there is no module for that in the kernel source take on kernelsource.org
[10:57] <lok> unless you add one
[10:58] <lok> in fact what you add is a jpeg or a png I don't know decompressor
[10:59] <Fator_Dee> stormgnu: depends on what the make_install.sh script has already done
[10:59] <Cy|Hyper> Grrrr
[10:59] <Fator_Dee> stormgnu: read the readme-file, perhaps there's some info
[10:59] <Cy|Hyper> I got wireless somewhat working now
[10:59] <Cy|Hyper> But it cuts out after a few minutes
[10:59] <Cy|Hyper> Netgear WG311 v2 wireless card
[11:00] <glill32> Should I switch back to Windows XP so that my monitors can work right, or does Ubuntu also have the capability i need and I just can't find it?
[11:01] <plod> ati
[11:01] <plod> is a bugger
[11:01] <plod> to get working
[11:01] <plod> still havent sorted it myself with my dual head 9800
[11:01] <Burgundavia> plod, seen wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?
[11:01] <glill32> so I should just switch back to XP?
[11:02] <Firetech> glill32: threatening won't get you anywhere
[11:02] <plod> burgundavia will look glill32 thats good for u 2
[11:02] <iceman> glill32 whats the issue with the monitor
[11:02] <glill32> Firetech: threatening? I'm just trying to figure out what I need to do to get things to work.
[11:03] <Fator_Dee> glill32: on the binarydriverhowto there's a tip on dual monitors
[11:03] <thoreauputic> glill32: I think the remark was tongue in cheek :)
[11:03] <Fator_Dee> glill32: read the ati-section thoroughly
[11:03] <glill32> ok thanks, Fator_Dee.
[11:04] <Firetech> glill32: Sorry, I came in the middle of the conversation... There are some trolls that use "so I should just switch back to XP?" as a try to get more answers...
[11:05] <Cy|Hyper> Can anyone help?
[11:05] <glill32> ok, the ubuntu system looks very nice, and it has all the same programs my grandson showed me and I was already using on windows, so I would like to give it a try.
[11:05] <Fator_Dee> Firetech: or trolls that use FULLCAPS or anything else to get attention because they are not patient enough
[11:05] <polie> can any one help me with setting up bluetooth in warty?
[11:06] <Firetech> glill32: Ignore my first lline, then.
[11:06] <WhiteDove> Hello everyone :)
[11:06] <Firetech> Fator_Dee: argh, don't remind me :P
[11:06] <Cy|Hyper> Anyone able to help with wireless in Ubuntu?
[11:06] <WhiteDove> Could someone help me, I have a BIG problem :(
[11:06] <AirWays> Why my squirrelmail says like this when I'm trying to login to it: Error connecting to IMAP server: localhost.
[11:06] <AirWays> 111 : Connection refused
[11:06] <WhiteDove> please
[11:07] <Fator_Dee> WhiteDove: just ask
[11:07] <thoreauputic> Cy|Hyper: you probably need to be more specific to get the help you need
[11:07] <Firetech> The worst ones are them that come into a (small?) channel, asks a question, waits 30 seconds, gets angry because they don't get any answer, and then leave.
[11:07] <WhiteDove> well you see, on my desktop (Im on my laptop at the mo) my gnome panels don't show up, they suddenly quit and won't come back :(
[11:07] <polie> does hoarty come with blue tooth ??
[11:07] <glill32> Okay, I am using the apt-get in the terminal screen to get the drivers, thanks guys.
[11:07] <thoreauputic> Firetech: not the worst - because at least they leave ;)
[11:08] <Fator_Dee> WhiteDove: open a terminal and write gnome-panel
[11:08] <Cy|Hyper> thoreau: I have a good connection, always, when I boot up. However, after about 20 minutes, the connection dies, and it can't be recovered.
[11:08] <Cy|Hyper> Just dies
[11:08] <glill32> Is there a Media Center for Ubuntu like there was in Windows?
[11:08] <Cy|Hyper> Have to reboot to get it to work again...
[11:08] <WhiteDove> command not found
[11:08] <thoreauputic> Cy|Hyper: maybe if you said what card you use and other such info someone might know
[11:08] <Cy|Hyper> Netgear WG311 v2 card
[11:08] <Fator_Dee> WhiteDove: are you sure you typed it correctly?
[11:08] <WhiteDove> yes
[11:09] <Fator_Dee> um...
[11:09] <Fator_Dee> that... should be there
[11:09] <WhiteDove> yeah, strange, isn't it
[11:09] <zoddan> how long does it take to compile a kernel on a P3 500 ?
[11:09] <Fator_Dee> WhiteDove: write gnome<tab><tab> in terminal, does anything come out?
[11:10] <linukso> zoddan: 15 min
[11:10] <Fator_Dee> anything at all?
[11:10] <WhiteDove> yep
[11:10] <zoddan> linukso: im on 10min now
[11:10] <linukso> zoddan: depends on how many  modules you have enabled
[11:10] <polie> any have a hsf modem??
[11:10] <Fator_Dee> and when you press p<tab><tab> theres no panel option?
[11:10] <kori[idiot] > mm
[11:10] <kori[idiot] > guys
[11:10] <kori[idiot] > gaim-vv has a weird buffer bug
[11:10] <kori[idiot] > and there is a patch posted at the forums
[11:10] <jasoncohen> with debian testing i can selectively install packages from unstable by setting my default distro as testing in apt.conf. Can i do the same in Ubuntu and install packages from breezy in hoary?
[11:11] <kori[idiot] > however, i cant seem to patch it
[11:11] <WhiteDove> it says, display all 148 possibilities
[11:11] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes
[11:11] <glill32> I cannot find the file referenced in the wiki-documents called "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4"
[11:11] <kori[idiot] > using the patch command gives me some errors and by hand ... well, im an c idiot
[11:11] <kori[idiot] > any ideas?
[11:11] <Fator_Dee> jasoncohen: not advisable
[11:11] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, ubuntu uses the exact same packaging system as Debian
[11:11] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, but not advisable
[11:11] <thoreauputic> jasoncohen: if you want to break your system, sure
[11:11] <Fator_Dee> jasoncohen: breezy is *very* unstable right now
[11:11] <jasoncohen> why? sid isn't very unstable?
[11:11] <polie> any one have a hsf modem?
[11:11] <Fator_Dee> jasoncohen: sid != breezy
[11:12] <jasoncohen> i know but they're quite similar
[11:12] <Fator_Dee> but they are not the same
[11:12] <Fator_Dee> breezy is very unstable right now, and that's the fact
[11:12] <thoreauputic> jasoncohen: breezy is still early in the release cycle and is broken in weird and wonderful ways
[11:12] <jasoncohen> there are a few packages like gaim-otr that simply aren't in hoary and others like openvpn which are in universe and thus aren't updated for security
[11:12] <WhiteDove> Factor_Dee: it says, display all 148 possibilities
[11:12] <glill32> hey, I am going to reboot!!!!!!!
[11:13] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, if there is a security fix in universe, you can ask for it to be backported
[11:13] <Fator_Dee> WhiteDove: if you can't find the gnome-panel -command, try to install it
[11:14] <WhiteDove> wtf
[11:14] <WhiteDove> why was it deleted
[11:14] <WhiteDove> grrr
[11:14] <Fator_Dee> I don't know
[11:15] <WhiteDove> ah well
[11:15] <Fator_Dee> but if it's not there, you should put it there :-p
[11:15] <WhiteDove> yep
[11:15] <WhiteDove> will it be like before?
[11:15] <Fator_Dee> it was there before?
[11:15] <WhiteDove> yeah, I mean before it quit
[11:15] <Fator_Dee> ahhum... @_#
[11:15] <TribooN> i read the howTo install nvidia but i still can't change the resolution or frequency, any other help sites for me to read ?
[11:16] <WhiteDove> oh dear
[11:16] <WhiteDove> its got a problem with the MixerApplet
[11:16] <WhiteDove> and the TrashApplet
[11:16] <Fator_Dee> TribooN: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and specify the resolutions and refresh rates that are within your monitors specs
[11:16] <Fator_Dee> WhiteDove: then kill them
[11:16] <TribooN> thanks alot
[11:17] <irini> i have problems using ubunto....
[11:17] <WhiteDove> um, how do I get them back though?
[11:17] <Fator_Dee> irini: just ask about it
[11:17] <WhiteDove> sorry to be a pain in the ass
[11:17] <WhiteDove> lol
[11:17] <Fator_Dee> WhiteDove: right click on the panel
[11:17] <irini> ask about what?
[11:17] <Fator_Dee> and there's an add option
[11:17] <Fator_Dee> irini: about your problem
[11:17] <WhiteDove> yep
[11:17] <glill32> Okay, I installed the driver as specified on that page, and now it says that I can't even reconfigure my resolution, let alone add my second monitor, because of XrandR or something.
[11:18] <irini> i think linux is crap me i do lol...
[11:18] <thoreauputic> irini: tell us the nature of the problem?
[11:18] <Fator_Dee> irini: you don't have to use it
[11:18] <WhiteDove> unfortinatly, neither are there anymore
[11:18] <glill32> I can't even find the menu option to reconfigure my video display system. Help???
[11:18] <irini> i got it instuled (exuse my mistakes) but i dunno how to use it lol
[11:19] <irini> ubuntu is kinda weird...i thinks lol
[11:19] <irini> i find windows better me i do...
[11:19] <falkar> hi guys
[11:19] <Fator_Dee> irini: lol maybe you are lol too lol used to windows lol (turn your sarcasm detectors on :-p... lol)
[11:19] <thoreauputic> irini: umm - do you have something specific you want to ask about?
[11:19] <polie> does any one use bluetooth in here
[11:20] <martyr> hi guys, short question: i intend to buy a 320gb external usb2 hdd - will it work on ubuntu?
[11:20] <irini> im not trying to be sarcastic lol...
[11:20] <WhiteDove> martyr: should do
[11:20] <irini> its true....i dont like ubuntu
[11:20] <Fator_Dee> irini: lol, I am, lol
[11:20] <kori[idiot] > irini, you came in here to tell us that?
[11:20] <irini> its weird....
[11:20] <WhiteDove> polie: yes, for my mouse
[11:20] <Fator_Dee> ok, this is enough on my part :-p
[11:20] <irini> i dont know.....lol
[11:20] <kori[idiot] > well i know, lol.
[11:21] <martyr> WhiteDove: thanks, how sure's that? ;)
[11:21] <polie> what version og ubuntu are u using?
[11:21] <irini> i dunno how to install kopete....
[11:21] <irini> instal*
[11:21] <irini> there you go i found somthing to ask...lol
[11:21] <Fator_Dee> glill32: have you tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and then specify your monitors specs to it?
[11:22] <Fator_Dee> irini: sudo aptitude install kopete
[11:22] <thoreauputic> irini: sudo apt-get install kopete
[11:22] <thoreauputic> either
[11:22] <irini> wheres sudo aptitude? lol
[11:22] <irini> or where would i find it? lol
[11:22] <techii> use apt-get
[11:22] <Fator_Dee> irini: right click on desktop -> open terminal
[11:22] <falkar> !last
[11:22] <ubotu> well, last is easier ;)
[11:22] <Fator_Dee> irini: then write the command there
[11:22] <falkar> :|
[11:22] <glill32> Fator_Dee: NO
[11:23] <polie> whitedove:what version of ubuntu u use?
[11:23] <jota> xmms don't work
[11:23] <thoreauputic> irini: lol.. you are really articulate lol lol
[11:23] <irini> thanks lol =P
[11:23] <irini> well im a girl what you expect...*blushes*
[11:23] <Fator_Dee> glill32: NO, as in you haven't tried it yet or NO as in it didn't work?
[11:23] <jota> who get images of instalation
[11:23] <thoreauputic> irini: you have Van Gogh's ear for sarcasm
[11:23] <irini> lol
[11:24] <jota> alguien habla espaol
[11:24] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: didn't Van Gogh cut his own ear off? ;-)
[11:24] <irini> it only says run application....???
[11:24] <glill32> no, I didn't try it, I am trying it now.
[11:24] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: very observant of you
[11:24] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: thank you
[11:24] <jota> deam
[11:24] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[11:24] <jota> argggg
[11:24] <jota> someone spaeak to me
[11:25] <techii> irini: try "applications > System Tools > Terminal"
[11:25] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: but I read some science paper on that women actually have more trouble in undestanding sarcasm than men do
[11:25] <glill32> how do I go back in the x-org configuration?
[11:25] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: assuming you believe irini is in fact a girl, of course
[11:25] <irini> people next time when i get a new computer do remind me never to instal ubuntu..!!!
[11:25] <techii> applications being the menu, in the upper left corner of the screen (as per the default configuration)
[11:25] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: well, we have a science paper to base the fact on :-D
[11:26] <thoreauputic> irini: please go away - your troll is getting tiresome
[11:26] <irini> or linux or whatever its called...
[11:26] <irini> why, its quite fun
[11:26] <glill32> is there an ignore function in ubuntu's Gaim so I don't have to look at irini's words?
[11:26] <techii> different oses for different people ...
[11:26] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: ops?
[11:26] <irini> lol
[11:26] <Fator_Dee> glill32: I don't think you do? but the changes wont come to effect untill you restart X
[11:26] <irini> ok ok im going
[11:26] <irini> bye bye....
[11:27] <Fator_Dee> glill32: so you can just write the line again
[11:27] <glill32> Okay.
[11:27] <glill32> I will just re-run the deal.
[11:27] <Fator_Dee> glill32: /ignore nick
[11:27] <Malsideus> Speaking of whitch I'm trying to switch... long time win32, problem installing Ubuntu.
[11:27] <Fator_Dee> glill32: or /help ignore to maybe get more help on the ignore command
[11:28] <thoreauputic> irini: the command you are so desperately trying to remamber is /part
[11:28] <irini> what
[11:28] <Malsideus> Default install, loads past grub
[11:28] <glill32> can I tell the configuration to install all of the X.org server modules, or should I leave some out?
[11:28] <Fator_Dee> hmm, should I watch some videos or try to help in here in order to clean my mind for the next days chemistry exams :-\
[11:28] <Malsideus> Then get blank screen of death.
[11:28] <bkinman> So. I want a graphical WYSIWYG HTML editor.... what should i use?
[11:28] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> irini, must be a winblows (ppl too ignorant and non technical to learn something new and are brain washed by Bill Gates)  user
[11:28] <Eudoxus> Hello. I just installed Ubuntu but the X doesn't work. Why, oh why? May it be because I deselected all resolutions in the Ubuntu setup? Shouldn't be, because they said there that it X would still try the highest possible resolution! :S
[11:28] <thoreauputic> bkinman: nvu or mozilla composer
[11:29] <irini> hmm...rude
[11:29] <Malsideus> Amilo A laptop, allready googled lots. Any clues?
[11:29] <kori[idiot] > bkinman, still, dont use wysiwyg editors...
[11:29] <Fator_Dee> Malsideus: what is the problem?
[11:29] <glill32> A new question, it's asking me to enter an identification for my monitor... but I have two monitors.
[11:29] <novaflare> not half as rude as you are irini you little putz
[11:29] <irini> im rude?
[11:29] <irini> i never did anything...
[11:29] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> irini, you can dish it but can't take it huh ?
[11:30] <irini> i never did anything though...
[11:30] <novaflare> course he cant trolls never can
[11:30] <bkinman> kori[idiot] , im a web developer. =), but sometimes, editors are a necisary evil.
[11:30] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> your being a troll
[11:30] <glill32> OKAY, I am restarting now!!!
[11:30] <Fator_Dee> Malsideus: http://www.ee.oulu.fi/~iiska/articles/ubuntu_in_a7620.html this is an article written by my brother, maybe there's some info you can use?
[11:30] <thoreauputic> irini: it's generally considered rude to enter a channel and tell everyone how you dislike their distro
[11:30] <techii> irini: people try to start arguments, by spaming the channel
[11:30] <Malsideus> Pop_pa_FrEaK: I'm a windows user. also a linux user, both good for when I need them, pls don't stereotype.
[11:30] <linukso> please ignore trolls
[11:31] <novaflare> ive learned more about linux in less than 2 weeks useing ubuntu than i did in 6 months on crappy ass redhat
[11:31] <runedude> trolls?
[11:31] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> Malsideus, I'm sorry and take back the comment
[11:31] <Malsideus> Fator_Dee: Thanks will check it out$
[11:31] <WhiteDove> do you think Microsoft are getting scared though, they seem to be doing alot more advertising
[11:31] <novaflare> mostly thanks to those in here
[11:31] <svmaris> hi
[11:31] <runedude> I have to ask -- whats a troll?
[11:31] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> yes novaflare this channel is very helpful
[11:31] <novaflare> na ms dont got much to fear from linux diffrent type of users
[11:31] <glill32> OKAY! I am half the way there, thanks!!!!
[11:31] <Fator_Dee> WhiteDove: but the money in advertising doesn't help when the actual product has problems :-)
[11:31] <novaflare> and im glad they dont
[11:31] <kori[idiot] > bkinman, but why why wysiwyg....
[11:32] <techii> a troll is someone who tries to annoy everyone else
[11:32] <novaflare> if linux had to compeat with ms it would probably end up ruined
[11:32] <linukso> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
[11:32] <Eudoxus> WHat is the app called that configures X?
[11:32] <Eudoxus> that makes the X config file?
[11:32] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> xorg
[11:32] <Malsideus> Pop_pa_FrEaK: np. I'm the master of sweeping statements myself
[11:32] <bkinman> kori[idiot] , tables. i hate tables, also, sometimes i have to edit sites that were created entirely in WYSIWYG editors, and those are no fun to edit by hand.
[11:32] <Fator_Dee> bkinman: www.w3schools.com those tutorials are of *great* help
[11:32] <kori[idiot] > kreepy:D
[11:32] <kori[idiot] > tell them about css:)
[11:32] <glill32> Fator_Dee: my main monitor is working now, I need to figure out how to enable the other one!
[11:33] <Eudoxus> This channel is the most crappy channel I've seen in a long time.
[11:33] <novaflare> heh glill32 when you figure it out please tell me to :)
[11:33] <bkinman> kori[idiot] , lol. i dont do any telling to the other developers, i just take the work where i can get it.
[11:33] <WhiteDove> I was wondering could someone help me with my wireless card please
[11:33] <Eudoxus> Users whining, calling each other rude. What a channel.
[11:33] <Burgundavia> Eudoxus, if you have nothing useful to say, please leave
[11:33] <Fator_Dee> glill32: did you install that fglrx-control package that was mentioned?
[11:33] <glill32> Yes, I think so.
[11:33] <glill32> I can't find it in the menus.
[11:34] <bkinman> glill32, im having the same problem... =)
[11:34] <Fator_Dee> glill32: try to execute it from the terminal
[11:34] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> anyone been able to view videos off of launch.com ?
[11:34] <bkinman> I cant for the life of me get the other monitor to work with my fglrx drivers.
[11:34] <Fator_Dee> but there has been a lot of trolls and spammer in here today, so the people can be a little edgy in here
[11:34] <WhiteDove> I was wondering could someone help me with my wireless card please
[11:35] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> Fator_Dee, that happens when you get to the top of the heap as a distro
[11:35] <Fator_Dee> Pop_pa_FrEaK: might be
[11:35] <linukso> WhiteDove: What is your problem?
[11:35] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> WhiteDove, I would if I had a wireless card
[11:35] <Fator_Dee> WhiteDove: it helps if you tell what card do you have etc, give as much info as you can
[11:35] <bksea> hello
[11:35] <WhiteDove> okay
[11:35] <linukso> bksea: hoy!
[11:35] <glill32> if I have a mouse with a scroll wheel, should I emulate three buttons, or is the scroll click thing also the third button?
[11:35] <WhiteDove> I'll do a lspci
[11:36] <thoreauputic> techii: it varies from hour to hour: there have been a few trolls recently
[11:36] <Fator_Dee> glill32: scroll is third mouse button
[11:36] <glill32> COOL
[11:36] <WhiteDove> 0000:02:00.0 Network controller: RaLink Ralink RT2500 802.11 Cardbus Reference Card (rev 01)
[11:36] <ablyss> if it werent for xfce.. i doubt I'd be using ubuntu.. sadly to say
[11:36] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> glill32, my scroll mouse setup automaticly
[11:36] <WhiteDove> Belkin G 54MB/s
[11:36] <bksea> I am having trouble viewing the contents on my windows hard drive
[11:36] <Fator_Dee> ablyss: but were happy because we have options :-)
[11:36] <ablyss> then again.. I haven't tried the KDE version of ubuntu
[11:37] <jasoncohen> why is ubuntu's main so small compared with debian's main? This means that there are many packages which simply don't get security fixes like mysql 4.1
[11:37] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ablyss, you'd be happier in gnome
[11:37] <thoreauputic> ablyss: Kubuntu is quite impressive - I personally use fluxbox mostly though
[11:37] <bksea> I have followed the instructions and edited my fstab, but still cannot access my files
[11:37] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> jasoncohen, you need to ewnable repositories
[11:37] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> enable*
[11:37] <glill32> how do I know which screen is which, 0 or 1?
[11:37] <jasoncohen> Pop_pa_FrEaK, that's not what i mean. I know i can et mysql 4.1 but it's in universe which doesn't get security updates
[11:37] <Fator_Dee> glill32: your main screen is 0
[11:38] <novaflare> i use fxce my self
[11:38] <Fator_Dee> glill32: atleast that's my guess
[11:38] <ablyss> thoreauputic, thanks for the info
[11:38] <novaflare> tried enlightenment
[11:38] <novaflare> cant get it to a res i like
[11:38] <synd> ubuntu just made me some money : X
[11:38] <bksea> can anyone help me with a problem?
[11:38] <WhiteDove> My Wireless Card: 0000:02:00.0 Network controller: RaLink Ralink RT2500 802.11 Cardbus Reference Card (rev 01) Belkin G 54MB/s
[11:38] <thoreauputic> ablyss: you can get it with "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" if you wish
[11:38] <novaflare> doh how you pull that off synd?
[11:38] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> synd how'd you pull that off ?
[11:38] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> lol novaflare
[11:39] <novaflare> and you know you must share all money made with ev one useing  ubuntu right :p
[11:39] <linukso> WhiteDove: ok, but what is the problem?
[11:39] <linukso> bksea: post your fstab at http://ubuntu.pastebin.com
[11:39] <ablyss> thoreauputic, i've installed kde-core files and have the KDE window manager working.. but will install kubuntu-desktop be better?
[11:40] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> yes ablyss
[11:40] <thoreauputic> ablyss: It's a meta-package that gets you the equivalent of Kubuntu I believe (that's what I installed anyway)
[11:40] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:40] <ablyss> okay
[11:41] <synd> novaflare, Pop_pa_FrEaK: well, i showed my exgirlfriend how i resurrected this old PIII 600Mhz 128MB 10GB DVD laptop with Ubuntu and showed her how things are easier with Linux and Ubuntu and told her about all the advantages (no virus, adware, spyware, etc) and she was like can I have that laptop since you already have lke 5 computers?
[11:41] <novaflare> id install kde but am a bit fearful
[11:41] <glill32> Do I want to synchronize my buffer swaps with the vertical sync signal?
[11:41] <synd> novaflare, Pop_pa_FrEaK: and i was like well, ill trade you it for your Dell tower
[11:41] <Fator_Dee> synd: good for you :-)
[11:41] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> dell tower!! are you nuts I'd of taken the money
[11:42] <synd> novaflare, Pop_pa_FrEaK: and she was like well Im really really fed up with this Dell and I would like to have a laptop
[11:42] <novaflare> heheh
[11:42] <novaflare> brb new session to check out fluxbox
[11:42] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ok novaflare
[11:42] <synd> Pop_pa_FrEaK, i know, but its a P4 2.8GHZ 80GB 512MB DDR
[11:42] <thoreauputic> synd: nice trade :)
[11:43] <synd> with a 17" flat screen
[11:43] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> yea really nice trade
[11:43] <Fator_Dee> :-p
[11:43] <Fator_Dee> unfair
[11:43] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> you getting any nookie out of it too ?
[11:43] <synd> i was like.. well i can put Ubuntu you your tower!
[11:43] <glill32> this utility is saying that it wants to write the configuration to '/etc/X11/XF86Config-4' is that correct?
[11:43] <synd> and she was like.. noo i hate the tower
[11:43] <Fator_Dee> glill32: are you using hoary or warty?
[11:43] <synd> so i showed her some similar laptops on eBay for like 3-400$
[11:43] <synd> and she was like, no i want yours
[11:43] <glill32> I am using 5.04 I think.
[11:44] <jind> Is this a help channel or do I have to ask elsewhere?
[11:44] <glill32> Hoary.
[11:44] <glill32> is that the best one?
[11:44] <Fator_Dee> glill32: then it should be /etc/X11/xorg.conf, I don't know why it suggest that though
[11:44] <thoreauputic> glill32: cat /etc/issue
[11:44] <synd> Pop_pa_FrEaK, i get a lil outta her every now and then. my new girlfriend might put a stop to that :x
[11:44] <linukso> jind: it is, just ask :)
[11:44] <jind> Nice
[11:45] <glill32> Is there a way I can reload this new X configuration file without rebooting the whole computer?
[11:45] <synd> ctrl alt backspce glill32
[11:45] <synd> that restarts X
[11:45] <Fator_Dee> yep
[11:45] <glill32> okay, well hopefully I will see you all soon!!!!!!!!!!
[11:46] <synd> lol.
[11:46] <Fator_Dee> let us hope so :-o
[11:46] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> lol synd
[11:46] <jind> I have a laptop with dual intel 855GME screenchips. I want to use one for the laptop screen and one for a external monitor connected to vga-out with xinerama? Where can I find information how to do this?
[11:46] <bkinman> there any spotlight goodness for linux?
[11:46] <novaflare> hmm
[11:46] <novaflare> cant see how to configure screen res
[11:46] <novaflare> same problem i had with enightenment
[11:47] <Fator_Dee> novaflare: ctrl++ ?
[11:47] <novaflare> thats temp only
[11:47] <novaflare> and still dont help much
[11:47] <lok> novaflare: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:47] <Fator_Dee> that then
[11:47] <bkinman> I want something like spotlight for linux
[11:47] <Fator_Dee> with sudo (of course)
[11:47] <novaflare> im running fglx drivers
[11:47] <Fator_Dee> bkinman: what is that?
[11:48] <lok> novaflare: and ?
[11:48] <Fator_Dee> novaflare: you can use that
[11:48] <novaflare> k brb
[11:48] <Fator_Dee> novaflare: that command that lok told
[11:48] <lok> juste think to use fglrx driver
[11:49] <Fator_Dee> maybe I should try to get my nvidia drivers to work :-\
[11:49] <Malsideus> Fator_Dee: Checked out the site but It's not what I need (different specs, different problem). I had the same problem before but it was fixed by a mate.
[11:49] <Fator_Dee> Malsideus: :-(
[11:49] <lok> Malsideus: what's your problem?
[11:49] <linukso> jind: take a look at the ubuntu wiki (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki)
[11:49] <novaflare> k im at the point where its asking about dual head
[11:49] <novaflare> is there any possible way to auto configure dual head?
[11:50] <lok> novaflare: sorry I don't know
[11:50] <Fator_Dee> novaflare: I think it's not hard to do it by yourself
[11:50] <jind> linukso, alright. I am currently looking there already :-)
[11:50] <lok> never used a dual head
[11:50] <Fator_Dee> novaflare: others have done that before
[11:50] <linukso> read the xinerame guide
[11:50] <lok> xinerama*
[11:51] <glill32> that did NOT WORK, by the way.
[11:51] <Fator_Dee> :-\
[11:51] <novaflare> should i use kernal framebuffer or let hard ware handle it?
[11:51] <glill32> It said a bunch of stuff, the most relevant of which I think is, "No screens found" or something.
[11:51] <linukso> jind: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XineramaMultipleMonitors
[11:51] <walid> hallo
[11:51] <walid> every body
[11:52] <Malsideus> Ok load into grub. Everything loads [ ok ]  then black screen.
[11:52] <glill32> If I knew enough about my video components, I could manually write my x.org configuration file, couldn't I?
[11:52] <walid> i just installed ubuntu
[11:52] <synd> walid, congrats
[11:52] <walid> with persian languge
[11:52] <walid> but
[11:52] <synd> ouch
[11:52] <walid> uya
[11:52] <thoreauputic> glill32: more or less
[11:53] <walid> but the leters dontd work
[11:53] <lok> glill32: have you already try the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[11:53] <glill32> yes.
[11:53] <Malsideus> Escape sequences? cntrl alt bkspc doesn't work.
[11:53] <glill32> That got one monitor working fine.
[11:53] <walid> no
[11:53] <glill32> Then, I tried the control thing for that other driver to try to enable the other monitor, and it broke everything.
[11:53] <glill32> so now I think I'm in safe mode.
[11:53] <Malsideus> A
[11:53] <synd> glill32, ctrl+alt+backspace restarts X
[11:53] <walid> but can any one help me
[11:53] <synd> glill32, i was unaware of what you were trying to do.
[11:54] <glill32> I am trying to do something that took me about 20 seconds in windowsxp: I have two monitors. One is a 36" CRT that runs at 800x600 60Hz. The other is a normal 17" CRT I like to run at 1280x1024. They are both connected to a Radeon 9000.
[11:55] <novaflare> will fglx use 16 bit color ( i prefer it if possible)
[11:55] <synd> glill32, are you trying to span your desktop across both screens?
[11:55] <ablyss> on my AMD XP 2500 ubuntu runs really nice
[11:55] <glill32> synd: I'd like it to work more or less like it did in Windows XP.
[11:56] <jind> linukso, Thanks. I have it in the background now. And I will come to it if the page I am currently on doesnt help me out. Thanks! :-)
[11:56] <Malsideus> Ok so I've got a black screen, any idea of an escape sequence that might give me something? (p.s. I'm a noob to linux)
[11:56] <synd> glill32, and that is? im unaware of how your desktop worked with WinXP.
[11:56] <glill32> I had my secondary screen off to the side, and I could drag apps onto it if I wanted, or I could put winamp full screen and watch videos on it while I worked on my main screen.
[11:56] <novaflare> Malsideus, try logging in blind once if you have sound wait for the bonk sound and type your username enter pass enter
[11:57] <zoddan> drivers/media/video/saa7134/sa7134-dvb.c: In function `dvb_init:
[11:57] <zoddan> to few arguments to function
[11:57] <novaflare> least you can test your drivers that way
[11:57] <zoddan> video_dvb_register
[11:57] <zoddan> make *** [drivers]  Error 2
[11:57] <novaflare> any how does fglx drivers support 16 bit color on ati cards???
[11:57] <Tyche> Anyone heard of this? Failed to load any MDB driver
[11:57] <synd> glill32, yes. the term for that action is "spanning" a desktop across two screens. I currently have my iBook spanned between its LCD and a 17" CRT.
[11:58] <WhiteDove> well, I got to go now peeps, see you'll tommorow
[11:58] <Malsideus> novaflare: no Bonk : (
[11:58] <glill32> Would that prevent me from putting something full-screen on just one of the monitors, like a video playback application?
[11:58] <apollo2011> I am trying to use Azureus but it doesn't seem to find Java.  I believe kynpatic had installed it but I also just installed it from the java self extracting file.  How do I get Azureus to see it?
[11:58] <novaflare> wait like 30 secounds and try Malsideus
[11:58] <ys76> glill32: You are searching for xinerama or something like that! Don't blame Linux if it does not work out of the box, bame the HW manufacturer
[11:58] <novaflare> and i guess ill use 24 bit :\
[11:58] <glill32> I'm not looking to blame anybody, really...
[11:59] <novaflare> brb to test this
[11:59] <ablyss> um, what display manager do you all recommend, gdm or kdm ?
[11:59] <Malsideus> novaflare: still no bonk ;(
[11:59] <jaysunn> Do they have a open office  beta release for ubuntu?
[11:59] <synd> ablyss, ?
[11:59] <jaysunn> 2.0
[11:59] <thoreauputic> glill32: linux people get touchy sometimes when they hear "It worked easily in XP ! " *grin*
[11:59] <ys76> ablyss: Try both and decide on your personal taste
[11:59] <synd> thoreauputic, I sure do
[12:00] <glill32> Well, the fact is, that it did. I love how ubuntu looks, and I like the ideas behind it...
[12:00] <ablyss> ys76, easy okay thanks