[12:03] <uniq> take a look at ubuntuguide.org
[12:03] <uniq> there are good step by step guides for java and azureus.
[12:04] <uniq> just use kwrite instead of gedit whenever it might be used :)
[12:11] <seek205> Where is the package sun-j2re1.5?? I can't find it
[12:11] <seek205> I have multiverse and universe enabled
[12:12] <Funzo> is KDE slower than gnome?
[12:13] <Funzo> i seem to notice a huge speed diffrence from kubuntu and ubuntu
[12:13] <Funzo> but i disabled all the KDE monitorring and set it to use less ram.... now it seems to move ok... but i shouldnt need to do that
[12:13] <Curalton> gnome2 and kde3 are about equal in "speed"
[12:13] <Funzo> ok
[12:13] <Funzo> thx
[12:13] <Curalton> kde 3.4 for sure
[12:14] <Funzo> is the newest kde in the iso?
[12:14] <Funzo> i downloaded/installed it yesterday
[12:14] <Curalton> i dont think the .1 is on the official CDs
[12:15] <Funzo> ah k
[12:15] <Curalton> ubuntu releaes in half year cycles
[12:15] <Curalton> releases*
[12:15] <Funzo> np hehe i was impressed enoguh that it was already compiled and avail thru apt-get
[12:15] <dabugas> hi
[12:15] <Funzo> man you guys are more active than microsoft
[12:15] <Funzo> :P
[12:15] <dabugas> i'm having a hassle with kopete...
[12:16] <dabugas> is this an appropriate place to ask? (since it's not really kubuntu specific)
[12:16] <Curalton> #kopete ?
[12:16] <dabugas> ooh, wow.
[12:17] <dabugas> thanks
[12:17] <Tm_T> =)
[12:17] <Curalton> np :)
[12:21] <alex9988> fellas
[12:21] <alex9988> i installed kubuntu on a cheapo amd64, yesterday 
[12:21] <alex9988> and my only issue is that MP3s don't play
[12:21] <uniq> in which player? 
[12:21] <alex9988> kaffeine and amarok go down with error 11 (sigsegv sp?)
[12:22] <alex9988> methinks its the xine down below
[12:22] <alex9988> or however the engine is called
[12:22] <alex9988> wavs and CDs are fine
[12:23] <dabugas> did you install akode-mpeg?
[12:23] <uniq> what about amarok? 
[12:23] <alex9988> i did only the default install...
[12:23] <alex9988> it worked when i ran the 32 bit version off the live cd
[12:23] <dabugas> alex9988: put the hoary sources in your apt and install akode-mpeg
[12:23] <dabugas> ah. then maybe it's something else
[12:24] <alex9988> the sound card works fine with knoppix-based installs......
[12:24] <alex9988> and in win2000
[12:25] <dabugas> alex9988: if you can play wavs but not mp3s chances are is you don't have the right encoder; which is why i suggested akode-mpeg (it's required for amarok to play mp3s). other than that, i'm not aware of the error.
[12:25] <alex9988> (amarok and kaffeine, from the default install, both go down. kaffeine shows the error screen, amarok only sometimes, but it never plays the music
[12:26] <alex9988> dabugas, is it consistent with the error #??
[12:26] <dabugas> i don't know. i 'm switching to kubuntu more or less right now
[12:26] <alex9988> ok
[12:26] <dabugas> and installed them simultaenously
[12:26] <dabugas> btw, amarok has crashed after 15 minutes of usage. grrrrr.
[12:27] <alex9988> i have the gnome version running for a few hours now. but i like kde better so i guess i'll go back. errors are quite the same in ubuintu
[12:27] <alex9988> but the display of errors is far better in K
[12:28] <dabugas> (without wanting to incite flames, &c) i prefer gnome. but i find it less mature. plus, it's going in a direction i'm not particularly enjoying
[12:28] <alex9988> ok. let's not talk religion  here :-)
[12:28] <dabugas> heh
[12:29] <alex9988> i use win xp 11 hrs per day in the office. who's laughing now :-(
[12:29] <dabugas> i'm talking strictly about the interface in more or less the default state. i'm not really a techie person. the days of fiddling with sawfish and lisp are behind me :)
[12:29] <alex9988> i was such in the early 80s
[12:29] <alex9988> now it's work for survival!
[12:29] <dabugas> just want something that doesn't piss me off (and gnome began to do so... consistently)
[12:30] <dabugas> i use win 2000 where i work
[12:30] <dabugas> hehehe
[12:30] <alex9988> at least when i log on to the DB servers they're solaris
[12:30] <alex9988> ok. have a nice day. i go sleep a little, then see a little spurs-suns
[12:30] <alex9988> bye
[12:30] <dabugas> at least, i mostly do word and excel at work. otherwise i just jump.
[12:30] <dabugas> i jsut wish i could convince the adminstration of using firefox instead of explorer
[12:31] <alex9988> :-0
[12:31] <Funzo> dabugas have you ever tried kde?
[12:31] <dabugas> that's what i'm using right now
[12:31] <dabugas> just switched yesterday
[12:31] <Funzo> yeah
[12:31] <Funzo> I find it more like windows
[12:32] <Funzo> but thats just me... i think its more like other OSs... I find it easier to use
[12:32] <dabugas> that is what i don't like
[12:33] <dabugas> :)
[12:33] <dabugas> i used to use sawfish with various lisp mods
[12:33] <Funzo> ioh heh
[12:33] <Funzo> ii think its pretty nice for anyone just switching from windows
[12:33] <dabugas> and ran everything out of a terminal
[12:33] <dabugas> unfortunately i'm a sucker for eye candy
[12:33] <dabugas> so the desktops enticed me recently (i got a slightly newer computer too... a whooping 500mhz athlon ;p)
[12:34] <dabugas> well, i've been with linux since 98 or so. i switched because i _hate_ the windows interface. 
[12:35] <dabugas> the only thing i've noticed with kde that is really odd is that the same font, with the same size, appears larger or smaller in different places
[12:36] <Funzo> heh
[12:36] <dabugas> does anyone else have this?
[12:36] <Funzo> i think thats just part of kde
[12:36] <dabugas> no, i think i've probably done something silly somewhere along the line
[12:37] <Funzo> i think i have that too
[12:37] <dabugas> for example in amarok: i use free sans 12 in the playlsit and free sans 10 in the context and they look identical (!)
[12:41] <Firetech> dabugas: it can be different between computers too
[12:41] <seek205> Wow this amaroK player is really nice!
[12:41] <Firetech> I asked a guy on kde-look what font he used in his title bar
[12:42] <Firetech> he said bit stream vera sans bold 12
[12:42] <Firetech> I entered size 12, that was WAY to big...
[12:42] <sirk> hahaha
[12:42] <seek205> Does anyone know any firewall manager programs like firestarter but for KDE?
[12:43] <Firetech> 10pt on my comp is 12pt on his comp. Same font, same context
[12:43] <dabugas> i know. it's just that i find it strange that the same font in the same application is different sizes
[12:43] <dabugas> maybe this is a design decision. i have no idea.
[12:43] <Firetech> it ain't idiot friendly...
[12:44] <Firetech> good night.
[12:44] <dabugas> seek205: if you know and like firestar why don't you use that? a quick search points to guarddog
[12:45] <nmorse> guarddog is pretty nice
[12:45] <nmorse> Easy to set up and even has normal port info for stuff like games
[12:46] <seek205> Cause I dont think it will sit in the system tray.. I dunno
[12:47] <dabugas> seek205: gaim which is a gnome program sits just fine on my kde taskbar
[12:47] <seek205> really? 
[12:47] <dabugas> yup
[12:47] <seek205> Sorry I never used to use KDE till now really
[12:47] <dabugas> i'm switching now, too. i haven't used it since it was proprietery :)
[12:47] <seek205> heh 
[12:49] <dabugas> ok, i just tried firestarter. it works just fine with the system tray
[12:52] <seek205> ok thx
[12:52] <seek205> but it has to have root privliges how can I get it to run on startup?
[12:53] <dabugas> not sure how kde's session management works
[12:53] <dabugas> but you would to run it with sudo
[12:53] <seek205> yea
[12:54] <dabugas> in gnome i had made it start with "gksudo firestarter"
[12:54] <dabugas> not sure if there's "ksudo" :) and how you can add it at start-up, tho
[12:54] <seek205> heh yeah
[12:54] <seek205> maybe there is
[01:05] <dabugas> is there any way to make gtk+ programs to look something except shit in kde?
[01:05] <dabugas> (esp. gtk1 programs like amule)
[01:05] <firasR> hi all
[01:06] <firasR> dabugas:  if u find one please let me know, tried gtk2-engines-gtk-qt package but it doesn't help much, actually makes 'em look worse sometimes
[01:07] <dabugas> heh
[01:07] <firasR> dabugas:  however if i use it with the "Mist" gtk theme some apps look half decent, but nowhere near Qt apps though
[01:07] <dabugas> by biggest prob is not with amule (which looked crap on gnome 2 anyway) but firefox. i really, really like firefox. and it's just looks really bad
[01:08] <dabugas> i'm using lipstik on kde and the difference is so painfully obvious :(
[01:08] <firasR> dabugas:  u gotta try the "Plastik Crystal SVG" theme
[01:09] <firasR> dabugas:  makes it look like a KDE app
[01:09] <firasR> dabugas:  almost like konqueror
[01:09] <firasR> dabugas: really nice I must admit
[01:10] <firasR> dabugas:  sorry that's "PlastikFox Crystal SVG"
[01:10] <dabugas> it just changes the buttons &c, no?
[01:10] <dabugas> it doesn't change the actual widgets... or am i wrong, here?
[01:12] <firasR> dabugas:  hey, beggers can't be choosers :) but I use it with the KDE "Lipstik" widgets and "Crystal" window decos and it looks pretty decent
[01:12] <dabugas> i'll give it a shot
[01:13] <dabugas> konqueror is great, but i prefer have a distinct browser
[01:13] <dabugas> (i have simple, silly mind... ;)
[01:13] <firasR> dabugas:  same here :) hehe
[01:13] <dabugas> although i just saw kontact and i'm thinking of ditching thunderbird
[01:14] <dabugas> i'm just being cautious still coz of thunderbird's awesome spam filtering
[01:14] <firasR> dabugas:  been using kontact for some time and I love it
[01:14] <brandonn> I use kontact fairly extensively, I like it, but it's still not up to the level of Evolution
[01:14] <dabugas> i found evolution too clunky
[01:14] <firasR> brandonn:  how so ?
[01:14] <dabugas> but then i always prefered of using one program to do one job rather than four
[01:15] <brandonn> well, mostly in the area of third party support, like phpgroupware
[01:15] <firasR> brandonn:  haven't tried too many (or any of those)
[01:16] <brandonn> the one thing that I was was that it supported SQL as a database type for calendar and addressbook
[01:16] <brandonn> right now I'm writing a perl script to update SQL based on the Vcards
[01:16] <dabugas> and then let's simplify... there's mutt. 
[01:17] <firasR> dabugas:  u gotta be kiddin' right ?
[01:17] <firasR> :)
[01:17] <brandonn> I have a friend that is a third level engineer at Sun, and still uses pine for email
[01:18] <dabugas> i used pine for years
[01:18] <dabugas> (well, two)
[01:19] <dabugas> & of course pico is an adorable editor
[01:19] <brandonn> yeah, I still prefer vim, but I think it's more habit now than anything, I can't count how many times I type :wq in OpenOffice
[01:19] <firasR> I did some time ago as well, waaaaaay back, it was painful !
[01:20] <dabugas> firasR: the beauty of linux is that you can mix-&-match the really basic with the really complex
[01:20] <firasR> brandonn:  now that's one thing that's actually grown on me, VIM :)
[01:20] <dabugas> brandonn: heh. never one for either vim or emacs; but it took some adjusting to go to abiword from nedit (now i'm trying to use OOo with some success)
[01:21] <firasR> brandonn:  i keep reading all those posts that say "type gedit/kedit this file or that" and I'm thinkin' why would u want to do that ? so much faster to type "vi" :)
[01:21] <dabugas> heh
[01:21] <firasR> dabugas:  yeah ur absolutely right, choice is a blessing !
[01:22] <dabugas> generally i have an "e" link to a console text editor (mcedit or somethign equally simple) and an "xe" for something like gedit (or leafpad which is even liter)
[01:22] <firasR> dabugas:  nice idea
[01:22] <dabugas> this way i can switch editors, without switching commands :)
[01:23] <dabugas> (unless i'm using arguments which generally differ)
[01:30] <apollo2011> Is there anything I need to do to a new Western Digital hd before I install it and run the Kubuntu install and format it?
[01:38] <_tarball_> Why does kubuntu ask for the install CD/DVD when I 'apt-get' some packages?
[01:39] <KaiL> because you have the cdrom listet in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:39] <KaiL> and so it tries to install them from there, as far as possible
[01:40] <Mez> can anyone help me with using the wiki - /query please
[01:42] <seek205> does KDE have a startup folder or options for program to startup on KDE start?
[01:44] <KaiL> .kde/Autostart
[01:44] <seek205> ah thanks
[01:47] <dabugas> g'night
[02:08] <seek205> is there a deb for firefox 1.04 anywhere?
[02:14] <apollo2011> seek205: the latest package available in kynaptic is 1.04
[02:14] <apollo2011> It appears as 1.02 though.
[02:15] <apollo2011> if you get blocked from the Firefox Extensions site, you can edit a key in about:config so it will let you in
[02:20] <seek205> oh ok I see I just changed the version # so I could get to moz update
[02:22] <warty> kubuntu just died
[02:22] <warty> x wont start
[02:25] <warty> on startup, it did a fsck, fsck died a couple times, when I got it to finish it'd found lots of errors, fixed them supposedly, now x wont start
[02:29] <warty> anyone home?
[04:16] <liz4rd> bleh
[04:31] <seek205> what other good kde irc clients are there besides konversation? this one gets on my nerves
[04:33] <N1G0W> lol try xchat
[04:33] <liz4rd> irssi
[04:33] <liz4rd> epic
[04:34] <liz4rd> bitchx
[04:34] <Funzo> gaim
[04:34] <liz4rd> :P
[04:34] <Funzo> but gaim sucks for irc heh
[04:34] <liz4rd> yeah
[04:34] <liz4rd> mozilla chat :P
[04:34] <Funzo> ohh yeah mozilla makes a good one
[04:34] <liz4rd> dumbass
[04:34] <liz4rd> JUST LEAVES
[04:34] <Funzo> but imho xchat is the best
[04:34] <Funzo> LOL
[04:34] <Funzo> i thot u was tlakin to me at first
[04:34] <liz4rd> LOL
[04:34] <Funzo> i think he prolly got d/ced
[04:34] <liz4rd> i'm not banned anymore
[04:34] <Funzo> look at quit msg
[04:35] <liz4rd> oh
[04:35] <Funzo> hahaha
[04:35] <Funzo> did u see what we said bfore u left?
[04:35] <Funzo> or what liz4rd said :P
[04:35] <liz4rd> all i need to do on ubuntu is video drivers... sound drivers... and something els
[04:35] <liz4rd> :P
[04:35] <liz4rd> shhh
[04:36] <Funzo> haha
[04:36] <liz4rd> he mighte not take to kindly to insults
[04:36] <Funzo> your coding it?
[04:36] <Funzo> no not that
[04:36] <liz4rd> wtf then?
[04:36] <liz4rd> oh
[04:36] <Funzo> :)
[04:36] <liz4rd> =)
[04:36] <Funzo> im not that mean lol
[04:37] <liz4rd> ok good :P
[04:37] <Funzo> so r u coding drivers?
[04:37] <Funzo> or u installing?
[04:37] <liz4rd> installing
[04:37] <Funzo> ah heh
[04:37] <Funzo> doesnt it auto setup evrything
[04:37] <Funzo> for ya
[04:37] <liz4rd> but not sure about the nvidia drivers
[04:37] <liz4rd> cuz i dont know how to get out of X on ubuntu
[04:37] <Funzo> ohh
[04:37] <Funzo> mine just stopped loading when i booted
[04:37] <Funzo> i dont know why
[04:38] <liz4rd> :P
[04:38] <Funzo> i was trying forever to kill it
[04:38] <liz4rd> i think i might grow to like ubuntu
[04:38] <Funzo> then kde had an error and the gui didnt come up when i rebooted... but it still works wen i start it
[04:38] <liz4rd> sudo apt-get install xfce4 :D
[04:38] <Funzo> :)
[04:38] <Funzo> do u prefer kde or gnome?
[04:39] <liz4rd> mmmm hard to say...when i first started out on linux kde was my homie then gnome got pretty cool so i stayed in the middle with fluxbox and xfce
[04:39] <liz4rd> xfce is m fav recently
[04:39] <liz4rd> u?
[04:39] <Funzo> kde
[04:39] <Funzo> its more suitable for n00bs
[04:39] <liz4rd> :P probly
[04:40] <Funzo> similar to other OSs
[04:40] <liz4rd> i consider my sefl still one tho :P
[04:40] <Funzo> nice feel and look
[04:40] <Funzo> me2
[04:40] <Funzo> :)
[04:40] <Funzo> thats why i prefer it
[04:40] <liz4rd> what are all the distro's youv been on?
[04:41] <Funzo> linspire, debian, a few xbox-linux distros like Xebian, gentooX and knoppix
[04:41] <Funzo> an rh
[04:41] <Funzo> and mandrake a long time ago
[04:41] <Funzo> but how many did i get to work is the real question
[04:41] <Funzo> :)
[04:41] <Funzo> ohh and obviously ubuntu + kubuntu
[04:41] <liz4rd> me (from the begining) knoppix, fedora, SuSE, slackware and now ubuntu
[04:42] <Funzo> hehe nice
[04:42] <Funzo> i always wanted to try suse
[04:42] <liz4rd> my dream is to sucessfully install gentoo
[04:42] <Funzo> but i heard it was no good for noobs
[04:42] <liz4rd> no its prefect man
[04:42] <liz4rd> its the easyest of all :P
[04:42] <Funzo> i failed lol on a ppc
[04:42] <liz4rd> :P
[04:42] <Funzo> but on xbox with gentooX it is real easy
[04:42] <liz4rd> probly
[04:43] <Funzo> well i mean they know what it is going to be run on
[04:43] <Funzo> so forget all that hardware detecting shit
[04:43] <Funzo> they can make it completely automated
[04:43] <liz4rd> yeah
[04:44] <liz4rd> brb phone
[04:44] <Funzo> kk
[04:44] <Shuddertrix> Kubuntu's livecd makes a great disc to install gentoo from..
[04:44] <Shuddertrix> my friend already got his copy, and he is loving kubuntu. now, to get him to install it..
[04:44] <Funzo> i never thought of that
[04:45] <Shuddertrix> want a screenshot? it couldn't be easier..
[04:45] <Funzo> haha
[04:45] <Funzo> sure
[04:45] <Funzo> prolly
[04:45] <Funzo> with the gui it must be real easy
[04:46] <Shuddertrix> It's not like you install gentoo with a gui, you're still following the guid
[04:46] <Shuddertrix> It's just, you're able to do other thngs..
[04:46] <liz4rd> back
[04:46] <liz4rd> well url to screenshot?
[04:46] <Shuddertrix> me, personally, i'm using Kontact and Konq to do other things. Oh, and Konversation for IRC
[04:46] <Shuddertrix> hold on
[04:46] <liz4rd> alright
[04:47] <Funzo> i like xchat better
[04:47] <liz4rd> yeah
[04:47] <Shuddertrix> I perfer irssi with a good terminal app (like aterm or eterm)
[04:48] <Shuddertrix> http://img109.echo.cx/my.php?image=snapshot15cp.png
[04:48] <Shuddertrix> I'm on 76 of 87 already. It's flying, and Kubuntu still rocks.
[04:49] <liz4rd> kewl
[04:50] <Shuddertrix> I'll use kubuntu to show off to friends on how easy it is to use linux, gentoo for regular usage (won't forget kubuntu for some things, however ;) ) and windows for.. well, nothing really..
[04:50] <liz4rd> :P
[04:50] <Shuddertrix> I mean, what can I do in windows that I couldn't in linux?
[04:51] <Shuddertrix> One game will not run in cedega. That's it.
[04:51] <Shuddertrix> (of the ones I play)
[04:52] <Shuddertrix> By the way, the only thing I changed from the defaults in that screenshot is the fonts, i'm using FreeSans everywhere
[04:53] <liz4rd> k
[05:26] <seek205> Everytime I start Enemy terroritry it wont run unless I kill artsd is there any way to fix that so I dont have to kill it everytime?
[05:31] <Shuddertrix> seek205: Same here, but with other games..
[05:31] <Shuddertrix> Not sure what's up with that.
[05:31] <Shuddertrix> I just disable sound system support until i'm done playing a game
[05:32] <Shuddertrix> Hopefully, i'm not the only one that uses kontact.
[05:33] <SpookyET>  Windows and Ubuntu both run at 1600x1200, 75.  However, when I boot into Ubuntu, the image is shifted right by a half a cm.  I'm tired to alwasy have to adjust the image each time I boot into Windows and Linux.  Does anyone have any idea on how to fix this?  x11 problem?
[05:34] <Shuddertrix> SpookyET: Shift the screen with Windows a half-cm over. Problem solved.
[05:35] <Shuddertrix> To be honest, I have no idea how to fix that with X.
[05:35] <SpookyET> Shuddertrix, wrong
[05:35] <SpookyET> the screen looks wrong in linux
[05:35] <SpookyET> not windows
[05:35] <Shuddertrix> SpookyET: Wrong? Then what's right?
[05:35] <Shuddertrix> :P
[05:36] <SpookyET> if i shift it in windows, i won't see a part of the start menu
[05:36] <Shuddertrix> Really, I don't know why.
[05:36] <Shuddertrix> Google helped yet?
[05:36] <SpookyET> nope
[05:36] <SpookyET> xconfig file problem?
[05:37] <Shuddertrix> You'd think that there is probably a setting you can change.
[05:49] <SpookyET> hmm
[05:49] <SpookyET> suse 9.3 recognizes the ipod
[05:49] <liz4rd> does it?
[05:49] <SpookyET> yeah
[05:49] <liz4rd> sweet
[05:49] <SpookyET> i know
[05:50] <SpookyET> i've been thinking of getting it
[05:50] <liz4rd> well it would be cooler if i owned one
[05:50] <liz4rd> :P
[05:50] <SpookyET> i just don't know how many cds i need
[05:50] <SpookyET> there are 5
[05:52] <liz4rd> really?
[05:52] <liz4rd> shits aint free is it
[05:52] <SpookyET> every linux can be downloaded
[05:52] <liz4rd> i know that ;)
[05:53] <SpookyET> it's dvd only, but some dudes made 5 cds out of the dvd and put it on bittorrent
[05:53] <SpookyET> 3.7G
[05:53] <liz4rd> sweet
[05:54] <seek205> what package would Python Qt bindings be in?
[05:54] <SpookyET> all i want is kde
[05:54] <SpookyET> i hate gnome
[05:55] <SpookyET> i don't want all 5
[05:55] <Shuddertrix> you could do an ftp install
[05:55] <Shuddertrix> I did that when I used to run SuSE
[05:55] <Shuddertrix> Yes, back when it was SuSE.. ;)
[05:55] <SpookyET> finding the right ftp is hard
[05:55] <Shuddertrix> It found my ipod, too
[05:55] <SpookyET> amaroK:-)
[05:56] <Shuddertrix> Yeah, it took my about 7 tries, but i soon found one that maxed my connection
[05:56] <Shuddertrix> .. back when my cable was 3mbps and not 5mbps.. heh
[05:56] <SpookyET> ubuntu is pissing me off due to the old mono stuff
[05:57] <SpookyET> is gnumerics as good as the gnome dudes make it seem?
[05:58] <Shuddertrix> If your into that thing, yeah, it's pretty good
[05:59] <Shuddertrix> Now, this is an oddity..
[06:02] <Shuddertrix> Check this out: http://img122.echo.cx/my.php?image=snapshot23qw.png
[06:03] <Shuddertrix> Nothing horrible, but strange..
[06:04] <kakalto> ?
[06:05] <SpookyET> don't know
[06:05] <kakalto> is it supposed the be alifgned that way?
[06:05] <SpookyET> haven't got a joystick
[06:05] <SpookyET> Does anyone know how to change file/dir permissions in gnome recursivly?
[06:06] <kakalto> try #ubuntu .... this place is more likely to tell you about kde
[06:06] <SpookyET> in kde, it does it by default
[06:06] <SpookyET> gnome is just weird
[06:07] <kakalto> true that
[06:07] <mrmanic> hmm
[06:07] <kakalto> gnome just crashes for me
[06:07] <kakalto> on login
[06:07] <mrmanic> I don't think I've ever changed permissions in gui
[06:07] <Shuddertrix> No..
[06:07] <kakalto> which is one reason I use kde instead of gnome
[06:07] <Shuddertrix> It the fact that the display and joystick panels are in the SAME panel
[06:07] <kakalto> ahh
[06:07] <Shuddertrix> It is
[06:08] <Shuddertrix> Geez. I can't even make correct sentences anymore.
[06:08] <kakalto> >_>
[06:08] <_tron> test
[06:08] <Shuddertrix> _tron: test failed
[06:08] <kakalto> :P
[06:09] <_tron> tron: test succesfully
[06:09] <Shuddertrix> _tron: kernel panic: master queue check testing has FAILED, cannot continue.
[06:09] <Shuddertrix> 091239801923080192380909180821291380123809213 (random spam)
[06:10] <kakalto> 404 NOT FOUND
[06:10] <_tron> y2k
[06:11] <Shuddertrix> 666 HELLBOUND TRAIN TEST FAILED - ABORT ABORT ABORT
[06:12] <SpookyET> the best thing about suse is yast
[06:12] <kakalto> I might try SuSe at some stage
[06:12] <SpookyET> seeds are kind of scarce
[06:12] <_tron> the best thing about kubuntu chat is tron
[06:12] <Shuddertrix> No
[06:12] <Shuddertrix> The best thing about #kubuntu is most definatly.. the /topic
[06:12] <kakalto> _tron, you're getting mixed up with 'worst'
[06:13] <Shuddertrix> I mean, you find answers to a ton of questions with the /topic. It's a ton better then even me... a hard task, for sure.. but it's been done, by #kubuntu 's /topic
[06:14] <Shuddertrix> ;)
[06:14] <SpookyET> the only thing that brought me to kde believe it or not is amaroK
[06:14] <Shuddertrix> SpookyET: Came for the amaroK, stayed for everything else?
[06:14] <seek205> grr what package has python KDE bindings in it?
[06:14] <Shuddertrix> seek205: Me is not sure..
[06:14] <SpookyET> i hate itunes on windows, but i like that format.  There are 2 clones that suck (wxMusik, which also works on linux)
[06:15] <seek205> I need it for a AmaroK script I found the python qt bindings but now its wants the KDE ones to
[06:15] <SpookyET> tried ubuntu first, but Rhythmbox's indexing is very slow
[06:16] <kakalto> SpookyET, true that
[06:16] <Shuddertrix> yeah, it is
[06:16] <kakalto> I liked Juk
[06:16] <kakalto> but when I found amarok.... 
[06:16] <kakalto> I switched to kde
[06:18] <SpookyET> i also tried the hyped beagle
[06:18] <SpookyET> completly unusable
[06:20] <Shuddertrix> beagle?
[06:20] <SpookyET> i'm surprised you don't know
[06:20] <Shuddertrix> you mean the searching mono thingy, or something else?
[06:20] <SpookyET> it's been plastered all over the place
[06:20] <SpookyET> yeah
[06:20] <Shuddertrix> it's a pile of shat
[06:21] <Shuddertrix> it sucks at searching..
[06:21] <SpookyET> it's not that
[06:21] <Shuddertrix> (never got it to work, heh)
[06:21] <SpookyET> it just eats resources like crazy
[06:21] <Shuddertrix> yeah
[06:23] <SpookyET> i surprised that the mono devs are all gtk when suse is mainly kde
[06:23] <Shuddertrix> yeah
[06:23] <SpookyET> Qt# was abandoned
[06:23] <Shuddertrix> sucks.
[06:24] <Shuddertrix> oh crap
[06:24] <Shuddertrix> my scheduled "do nothing" is in 6 minutes.
[06:24] <Shuddertrix> just move that up an hour.. there we go
[06:24] <SpookyET> i don't really mind. gtk-qt does a pretty good job except for the horrible gnome icons
[06:24] <Shuddertrix> gtk-qt is awesome!
[06:24] <SpookyET> i wish it could change the icons too
[06:29] <SpookyET> are you having konqueror problems?
[06:29] <SpookyET> it crashes
[06:29] <toran> hey guys, how do I get my gtk theme to apply on startup of a window manager like fluxbgox?
[06:34] <SpookyET> night
[07:00] <seek205> ugh is there any way to make firefox the default url handler for KDE? instead of konqurer??
[07:09] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> firefox , to handle files ?
[07:11] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> see the configuration section of konqueror -> files association
[07:11] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> it s similar to windows
[07:12] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> in the text section text you have html ...
[07:12] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> so you have just to change the order
[07:13] <Tezkah> but... Konqueror
[07:49] <ilmansee> is the above repos different then the official ones of the ubuntu hoaray or just a mirror for the packages specific to kde
[07:49] <ilmansee> basically do i have to add them
[08:45] <jaro> Hi @ll
[08:45] <Goshawk> jaro: re
[08:45] <jaro> :-)
[08:45] <Goshawk> :D
[08:45] <jaro> nice to meet someone here
[08:45] <Goshawk> me too
[08:46] <jaro> how long have you been using kubuntu ?
[08:46] <Goshawk> is there a way to save a video stream with kde applications (like kaffeine)?
[08:46] <Goshawk> from one week
[08:46] <Goshawk> jaro: i used ubuntu for one year
[08:46] <Goshawk> jaro: than i saw the nice work of the kubuntu staff and switched
[08:46] <Goshawk> to it
[08:46] <jaro> oh cool
[08:46] <Goshawk> jaro: you?
[08:47] <jaro> i didnt use ubuntu, because of gnome.. so i was very pleased when i heard about kubuntu
[08:47] <jaro> i have installed it two weeks ago
[08:48] <jaro> i had some problems though...
[08:48] <jaro> but it works 
[08:48] <Goshawk> jaro: i was happy with gnome but using it i noted that working with medias (cd-dvd) is not so easy and beutiful as it's on kde
[08:48] <jaro> oh, i don't use gnome just because it doesn't look nice
[08:49] <jaro> and of course, because nautilus was so bad
[08:49] <Goshawk> yes.. nautilus with is space navigation
[08:49] <Goshawk> s/it/its
[08:50] <jaro> and its few possibilities to handle files
[08:52] <jaro> i still have problems getting administator-mode in kcontrol
[08:55] <jaro> hi
[08:55] <Goshawk> jaro: i dont' know...
[08:55] <jaro> what problems do you actually have with kubuntu ?
[08:56] <Goshawk> jaro: me?
[08:57] <jaro> yes
[08:58] <Goshawk> i've a stream file, whne i click to it kaffeine opens and paly but i wanna save the stream into my hd. how to do that?
[08:58] <jaro> where is that file ?
[08:59] <Goshawk> is a wmn
[08:59] <jaro> its on the internet i guess
[08:59] <Goshawk> of 174 bytes
[08:59] <Goshawk> yes it's
[08:59] <jaro> can u give the url ?
[08:59] <Goshawk> when i play it download the stream in real time and i see it
[08:59] <Goshawk> i've the file here
[09:00] <Goshawk> wait
[09:01] <Goshawk> jaro: http://media.fastweb.it/WM9/raiclick/FMVRAI04000001051168.wmv
[09:02] <jaro> kk
[09:03] <jaro> i guess the easiest way would be to open it in Browser.. then save it to your hd
[09:03] <CruNcher> or use wget from the console :)
[09:03] <jaro> i havent got the codecs installed it seemed
[09:04] <Goshawk> CruNcher: using wget i'll download the stream source file, isn't it?
[09:05] <Goshawk> CruNcher: no it does not work it downloaded the sorce stream file
[09:05] <CruNcher> isn't that what you want ?
[09:05] <Goshawk> jaro: when i open in browser a windows come up and say how pc should open that file (and i choose kaffeine)
[09:05] <SlicerDicer-> how can I locate lame? I dont see it in my repositorys
[09:05] <Goshawk> CruNcher: no i wanna the video itself
[09:06] <Goshawk> not the source stream file
[09:06] <CruNcher> ahh
[09:06] <CruNcher> sorry i see
[09:06] <CruNcher> its a link file
[09:06] <Goshawk> yes
[09:06] <Goshawk> it's
[09:06] <CruNcher> normaly you dont name those .WMV
[09:06] <CruNcher> :P
[09:06] <Goshawk> Length: 174 [video/x-ms-wvx] 
[09:06] <Ghetek> how do i add deb http://download.kde.org/stable/3.4.1/kubuntu/ hoary-updates main to my sources list?
[09:07] <jaro> vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:07] <Goshawk> Ghetek: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:07] <CruNcher> ok
[09:07] <Ghetek> Failed to fetch http://download.kde.org/stable/3.4.1/kubuntu/dists/hoary-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  302 Found
[09:07] <CruNcher> it goes to a Windows Media Server
[09:07] <jaro> then insert:    deb  http://download.kde.org/stable/3.4.1/kubuntu/ hoary-updates main
[09:07] <Goshawk> CruNcher: yes i know
[09:08] <CruNcher> you have to rip the stream search on google for :P
[09:08] <Goshawk> ok
[09:08] <jaro> kynaptic seemed to crash last time, so i shot it down.. Now it says it can't get lock... some other process would be using it, what process would that be ?
[09:08] <Ghetek> jaro: http://pastebin.com/293726 i did
[09:09] <Goshawk> jaro: try to locate the pid with sudo  ps -x 
[09:10] <jaro> what is pastebin about ?
[09:10] <Ghetek> its the log of things
[09:10] <jaro> ps -x ?
[09:10] <Ghetek> try it
[09:10] <jaro> command not found
[09:11] <jaro> oh it works
[09:11] <jaro> :)
[09:12] <Goshawk> jaro: try to locate synaptic or knaptic or aptitude
[09:12] <jaro> yes i did
[09:13] <jaro> it works again :)
[09:13] <jaro> i killed the process with top, but is there another way ?
[09:13] <Goshawk> i don't know another way
[09:14] <sirukin> would installing Kubuntu on the Nokia 770 be possible?
[09:14] <jaro> i dunno
[09:14] <jaro> what package is for the windows-codecs ??
[09:14] <sirukin> w32codecs
[09:15] <sirukin> or apt-cache search codecs and go through that
[09:17] <jaro> havent got that w32 package in my reposes
[09:17] <Ghetek> so any ideas as to why i cant get that in my source?
[09:17] <Ghetek> *source.list?
[09:18] <jaro> cant get what ?
[09:18] <Goshawk> jaro: you should add marillat sources
[09:19] <Ghetek> marilat?
[09:19] <Ghetek> oh
[09:19] <Ghetek> sorry, thought that was to me
[09:20] <jaro> where are those marillat sources ?
[09:22] <Ghetek> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main deb http://cyberspace.ucla.edu/marillat unstable main
[09:22] <Goshawk> jaro: use google
[09:22] <Ghetek> go here for those sources http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/swmgmt.html#h2add
[09:26] <amu> ztonzy: you got your blender? 
[09:26] <jaro> hey there we go
[09:26] <jaro> the codecs ^
[09:26] <jaro> ^
[09:26] <jaro> ^^
[09:27] <Goshawk> uhhahahaa
[09:27] <Goshawk> found!!!!
[09:27] <Goshawk> uhahahhaha
[09:27] <Goshawk> look.
[09:27] <jaro> ?
[09:28] <Goshawk> kaffeine is able to send broadcast stream
[09:28] <Goshawk> so i sent the stream from the 12345 port of my pc
[09:28] <CruNcher> hehe
[09:28] <Goshawk> then i use netcat to connect to 127.0.0.1 12345
[09:28] <Goshawk> and strore all in a file :D
[09:28] <Goshawk> ^__^
[09:29] <CruNcher> should be also working with VLC very easily :P
[09:29] <xxenon> who is testing breezy these days ?
[09:29] <CruNcher> without streaming and captureing it ;)
[09:29] <amu> xxenon: why?
[09:29] <Goshawk> CruNcher: vlc?
[09:29] <CruNcher> www.videolan.org
[09:30] <CruNcher> apt-get install vlc
[09:30] <xxenon> amu - just to know if it's normal that KDM cant start KDE since yesterday
[09:30] <Goshawk> CruNcher: i'm looking at
[09:31] <amu> xxenon: today with new xorg my kde starts again :D
[09:31] <xxenon> amu - I need to upgrade tonight then.
[09:31] <CruNcher> read the help and use the commandline theoreticly you could also transcode it while you stream it into another video:audio+container format :P
[09:31] <amu> xxenon: be sure you ger xorg-21
[09:31] <amu> ger/get 
[09:32] <xxenon> aum - I have that.
[09:32] <xxenon> KDM starts.
[09:32] <jaro> re
[09:36] <amu> ztonzy: http://195.227.106.194/tmp/blender_2.37-0ubuntu0_i386.deb
[09:38] <Goshawk> ok folks, time to go see you
[09:54] <jaro> anyone left ?
[09:57] <Firetech> why does everyone think you have to rebbot to apply everything in linux?
[09:57] <Firetech> *reboot
[09:58] <Firetech> like one guy on the forum: "also reboot so it sets the time to the hardware clock"
[09:59] <amu> that's probably from earlier lives, people comming from windows
[10:00] <Firetech> yes, rebooting is a WindowsCrazy Thing(r)
[10:02] <Firetech> In Windows: reboot for any change. In Linux: reboot only for kernel problems/changes.
[10:02] <jaro> acutally i am updating to kde 3.4.1 :-)
[10:02] <sirk> http://www.threadless.com/submission/40290/Darth_enjoyed_gardening
[10:02] <ubuntu> :o
[10:02] <ubuntu> Firetech, true :)
[10:03] <Firetech> Problems with Windows, reboot. Problems with Linux, be root.
[10:03] <jaro> lol
[10:03] <BikkeBake> Still, we all know this :)
[10:03] <jaro> thats good
[10:04] <Firetech> sirk: good one.
[10:04] <BikkeBake> To mess up a linux box you just have to work at it. To mess up a windows box, you just have to work on it.
[10:04] <Firetech> BikkeBake: to mess up a windows box, it is only needed to boot it.
[10:05] <BikkeBake> Firetech
[10:05] <BikkeBake> !tell Firetech about Holy wa
[10:05] <BikkeBake> !tell Firetech about Holy war
[10:05] <BikkeBake> :)
[10:05] <Firetech> But it is
[10:05] <Firetech> ok, and install some programs, but it gets bloated too soon
[10:05] <BikkeBake> Windows isn't that great, but  i'm pretty sure everyone here knows that
[10:06] <Firetech> yeyeye
[10:06] <Firetech> hafta go anyway.
[10:06] <BikkeBake> Redmond has Security Checks, so good luck ;)
[10:08] <sirk> www.bustedtees.com
[10:08] <sirk> haha
[10:08] <oniryx> hello Kubuntu'ers
[10:08] <BikkeBake> Hello Oniryx'ers
[10:08] <BikkeBake> :)
[10:09] <oniryx> BikkeBake:  :))
[10:09] <BikkeBake> :)
[10:09] <jaro> ^
[10:09] <BikkeBake> Indeed
[10:09] <BikkeBake> Got to love Konversation
[10:09] <BikkeBake> <3
[10:10] <jaro> why ?
[10:13] <nct> Hi
[10:13] <nct> Is there a plan to release a new kubuntu with kde 3.4.1 packages directly on the cd ?
[10:15] <amu> nct: yes, that's the plan for breezy, it could be also kde 3.5 
[10:17] <amu> nct: meanwhile you can try the iso from the topic
[10:17] <BikkeBake> erm
[10:17] <BikkeBake> 4
[10:17] <BikkeBake> :/
[10:18] <Firetech> BikkeBake: get SVN then...
[10:19] <BikkeBake> :|
[10:19] <BikkeBake> KDE4 is.. out? O_O
[10:19] <Firetech> no
[10:19] <Firetech> but you can get the latest via SVN
[10:19] <BikkeBake> Aw :/
[10:19] <Firetech> which almost is KDE4
[10:20] <BikkeBake> :)
[10:20] <BikkeBake> Not Ree-ally
[10:23] <nct> amu, the iso from the topic, is it an updated one or normal kubuntu 5.04 ?
[10:23] <Firetech> nct: kubuntu 5.04 Live CD + KDE 3.4.1
[10:24] <nct> ok, is there an unofficial kubuntu 5.04 install CD + KDE 3.4.1 in plan ?
[10:24] <nct> I suppsoe that's nt so important because the debs are here
[10:25] <Firetech> nct: they are updating now and then, too.
[10:29] <Firetech> the debs, that is. so it may not be good to make a 3.4.1 CD right now...
[10:29] <nct> k
[10:42] <amu> nct: it's a updated one
[10:42] <amu> hoary + kde 3.4.1
[10:43] <esher> Extension System Warning: Failed to set up default extensions files probably because you do not have write privileges to this location. While you can run Firefox like this, it is recommended that you run it at least once with privileges that allow it to generate these initial files to improve start performance. Running from a disk image on MacOS X is not recommended.
[10:43] <esher> (Gecko:31073): libgnomevfs-WARNING **: Cannot create pipe for GnomeVFSProcess initialization: Too many open files
[10:43] <esher> my firefox wont start :(
[10:45] <amu> esher: libgnomevfs-WARNING, wrong channel :) you should ask at #ubuntu
[10:45] <esher> hmm, but i have kubuntu installed :D
[10:46] <amu> nice try 
[10:48] <teleyinex> hi
[10:48] <teleyinex> some one its experiencing problems with kcal when you add an ical remote calendar
[10:48] <teleyinex> i get the error that the app cant modify the name of the calendar?
[10:48] <teleyinex> why?
[10:48] <teleyinex> the permissions are all of them ok
[10:49] <teleyinex> another thing
[10:49] <teleyinex> how i disable the animations
[10:54] <amu> teleyinex: tested rename a local ical file, that works
[10:56] <amu> teleyinex: you probably can't change the name of the _remove_ calender, since the name is static, other people are subscribed, if you can change it, everyone other will loose this calendar 
[10:57] <teleyinex> show, its a problem of kcal
[10:57] <teleyinex> no?
[10:57] <jaro> <-- still updating kde 3.4
[10:57] <teleyinex> cause tries to modified something that it cant
[10:57] <amu> <parse error>
[10:57] <teleyinex> another thing, kubuntu its now 3.4.1?
[10:57] <teleyinex> or stills being 3.4.0
[10:58] <jaro> i dunno
[10:58] <amu> depends what you mean with kubuntu, we have a warty,hoary and breezy branch 
[10:58] <Firetech> amu: there is a warty branch of kubuntu?
[10:58] <jaro> btw. who came upon the idea to use the same letter twice for every other name ?
[10:59] <amu> Firetech: sure :) 
[10:59] <Firetech> didn't know that... have to go now.
[10:59] <amu> Firetech: this time, kde was in universe
[11:00] <jaro> does anyone know if there is a repos for Styles ??
[11:01] <amu> jaro: themes? 
[11:01] <jaro> yes
[11:02] <amu> kde-look.org 
[11:02] <jaro> no i mean repositories to add
[11:03] <jaro> so i can install them from kynaptic itself
[11:03] <amu> that's probably kdeaddons you mean
[11:04] <jaro> that probably supports to install such things
[11:04] <amu> err kdeartwork
[11:04] <jaro> i've got that
[11:04] <Tm_T> hullo
[11:05] <jaro> and it made it possible to compile themes
[11:05] <jaro> but if possible id like to install them via apt-get
[11:05] <teleyinex> im in hoary
[11:05] <amu> jaro: than you get the defaults, if you want customized or you want compile them for yourself goto kde-look.org / themes.kde.org
[11:06] <jaro> hmm 
[11:06] <jaro> ok
[11:06] <jaro> so theres no other way than selfcompile
[11:06] <amu> lipstick is one of millions which is apt'able
[11:07] <amu> ...from ubuntu's repo's 
[11:07] <jaro> i got that ^
[11:07] <jaro> do you have a favorite ?
[11:08] <amu> default is fine with me :) 
[11:08] <jaro> hehe
[11:08] <amu> feel free to package them you like 
[11:20] <mikl> hmm, synaptic whines about not beeing able to authenticate the packages from your kde 3.4.1-mirror?
[11:20] <Tm_T> so?
[11:21] <mikl> so, should I just disregard it or what?
[11:21] <jaro> probably
[11:21] <Tm_T> yeah, just install them
[11:23] <ilba7r> Tm i downloaded kde from the ubuntu repos is the kubuntu one updated or just a mirror
[11:27] <mikl> ilba7r: It's updated - the ubuntu-mirrors only have kde 3.4.0 yet :)
[11:27] <ilba7r> thanx mikl
[11:27] <ilba7r> i will add them to the source list
[11:31] <amu> the kubuntu archive is a try to centralize the things, it isnt such good, if we have once packages at A next at B later at Z .... we also do a kind of quality check, for the packages, do not try to install packages from somewhere, you will be hurd and punished with a reinstallation ;)    
[11:32] <ilba7r> i used to install kde just from offical ubuntu repos.
[11:34] <ilba7r> have bit tried kde 3.4.1 and will wait to see how stable pepole find it
[11:36] <amu> ilba7r: the office kubuntu hoary release will not be updated with kde 3.4.1 .... that's why we setuped deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 & updates
[11:37] <ilba7r> ok amu now i understand they have frozen the packages and just have security update now i remember their policy
[11:38] <ilba7r> so amu did you find kde341 stable?
[11:38] <amu> ilba7r: works fine for me, with a normal desktop installation 
[11:39] <amu> compared to 3.4, 3.4.1 is a cool bugfix release  
[11:39] <ilba7r> will see if i will update or not. I had some problems with updating another package the end result was painfull format of my pc
[11:40] <ilba7r> amu so adminstrative mode works now in the control center
[11:40] <ilba7r> and does kbear work at latst
[11:40] <amu> ilba7r: ;) depends, from where you installed the packages :) if you use just "our" sources everything works fine *eg* 
[11:41] <ilba7r> will give it a try for sure. Frankly i switched to other distro because programs ran soo slow and of some bugs
[11:42] <ilba7r> the majour one was after i used adminstrative mode to add printers once on kde control center i could not use administrative mode any more when i log into the kde control center
[11:44] <amu> works fine now 
[11:45] <ilba7r> i am there now looking at the kde341 release perhaps i will find bug fixes and release notes
[11:45] <ilba7r> thanx amu
[11:46] <amu> http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php
[11:46] <ilba7r> i am there now thanx
[11:46] <amu> but no release notes :( still looking for help  
[11:47] <ilba7r> cool i am looking at the release announcements
[11:48] <ilba7r> by the way i am planning to offer whatever little help i have in the future not now though but defenitly i have to give back
[11:48] <amu> would be cool if someone could summarize the changelogs :) 
[11:48] <ilba7r> you guys did really good job to rid us of the window nightmare
[11:49] <`TUX``> amu hi 
[11:49] <`TUX``> nothing new about xclient problem?
[11:49] <`TUX``> xbase-clients postinst warning: /etc/X11/xkb/xkbcomp symbolic link points to wrong location /usr/bin/xkbcomp
[11:49] <ilba7r> frankly i am in a mid of contracts now that consume most of my time. I know i will not be free at least for few months but i do promise i will do whatever little help i can
[11:49] <amu> `TUX``: nope, maybe in -22 
[11:49] <`TUX``> thanks
[11:49] <amu> ... but you still can start kdm :) 
[11:50] <amu> aehm means kde starts also ..... just ignore this error 
[11:51] <`TUX``> for me?
[11:51] <amu> ilba7r: no prob, would be nice to have, cause you also looked for them  
[11:51] <`TUX``> the problem is that it stop any kde upgrade
[11:52] <ilba7r> ya i know amu
[11:52] <ilba7r> by the way before i download should i back up my ./kde directory
[11:52] <amu> `TUX``: works for me, i dist-upgraded it at morning, got the same message, than i installed all package with ex. apt-get install kdepim
[11:53] <ilba7r> i have lots of configuration i even changed the menu so do i have to back them up
[11:53] <amu> ilba7r: it's all time a good choose backing up you .kde Mail ~/  
[11:54] <jaro> i wonder how long it takes for kde to update to 3.4.1 ?
[11:54] <ilba7r> ok will update them before installation them
[11:54] <amu> i'll do it by cron, since this time i've no trouble reinstalling, testing things without loosing any datas   
[11:56] <amu> ... i don't want one more, resetup my mail, adressbooks with a thousend of contacts :)   
[11:57] <RiCo0> helloo
[11:57] <ilba7r> oh they fixed the kmenu thats great
[11:58] <RiCo0> what's wrong with the kmenu  ?!:>
[11:58] <ilba7r> mm i will unmount my /home partition do the reinstallation and if good remount it again
[11:58] <ilba7r> the old one needed a little bit of touch
[11:58] <RiCo0> hmm ok
[11:59] <ztonzy> amu, hi! yes I have...I always builf from CVS :)  but I think it would be nice to have 2.37 in the repositry !
[11:59] <ztonzy> build*
[11:59] <ztonzy> amu, did you update it?
[11:59] <amu> ztonzy: did you tested my package ? i'm bit woundert cause it builed at once :) 
[12:00] <quar> how can i add a printer
[12:00] <ztonzy> amu, uh? how do you mean ?
[12:00] <quar> i tried using the kde app but it doesnt have the driver?
[12:01] <amu> 'http://195.227.106.194/tmp/blender_2.37-0ubuntu0_i386.deb'
[12:01] <ilba7r> check it on linuxprinting.org quar
[12:01] <amu> quar: how you added your printer? 
[12:02] <ztonzy> amu, downloaded it...but I dont know what you ment by: "i'm bit woundert cause it builed at onc"
[12:02] <ztonzy> +e
[12:02] <amu> kcontrol, Peripherals, admin mode, add, add a printer 
[12:03] <amu> and of course print-system should be cups 
[12:03] <ilba7r> amu i think he did that but could not find a driver for his printer
[12:03] <mikl> prelink me up, scotty
[12:03] <amu> ztonzy: such a huge, complex package build out of the box, so i'm bit woundert, if it works also :) 
[12:04] <ztonzy> amu, I get depency problem :-\
[12:04] <quar> I dunno where to find the driver for my printer
[12:04] <amu> ztonzy: y use breezy? 
[12:04] <ztonzy> amu, no, hoary
[12:04] <ztonzy> Kubuntu
[12:04] <amu> ilba7r: yeah looks like 
[12:04] <amu> ztonzy: ah, builed it for breezy 
[12:04] <ztonzy> libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1) (but I got 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13)
[12:05] <ztonzy> amu, isn't breezy unstable ?
[12:05] <ilba7r> quar check this website http://linuxprinting.org/
[12:05] <ilba7r> you might find the driver there
[12:05] <amu> ztonzy: sure, but i'll support only backports if they are important 
[12:06] <ztonzy> amu, I mean, such big release that Blender 2.37 is...it should be in Hoary
[12:06] <amu> hehe
[12:06] <ztonzy> it has enough new features for 3 releases =O
[12:06] <amu> if you test them both, i'll do it :)    
[12:08] <ztonzy> I couldn't install the .deb you gave me
[12:09] <ztonzy> test what ? breezy ?
[12:09] <ztonzy> hmm I do have a 2nd computer (t-bird) that I dont use
[12:09] <amu> yep, or should i just up it, and forward the bugreports?  
[12:10] <ztonzy> up?
[12:10] <amu> upload 
[12:11] <ztonzy> you mean 2.37 for hoary ?
[12:11] <amu> breezy 
[12:11] <ztonzy> my own build...is not installed like from system...it is just a symlink to my dev/blender dir.
[12:11] <amu> well i've no idea about blender, i can technically package it, but funktions never tried 
[12:12] <ztonzy> ah
[12:12] <ztonzy> amu, you mean features and ins and outs ?
[12:12] <ztonzy> well
[12:12] <ztonzy> I have used Blender ever since march 2001 :)
[12:12] <amu> got it
[12:13] <amu> well you are the blender guru, i'm not :) but i can help with packaging the new version
[12:13] <ztonzy> amu, http://www.elysiun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=43975  enough evidence ;) ?
[12:13] <amu> ztonzy: sure i know :) 
[12:14] <jaro> 43%
[12:14] <jaro> updated
[12:14] <ztonzy> amu, hehe
[12:15] <ztonzy> amu, it is not only for me packing and putting it up in repositry...but for everyone else !  you see that they made a md5 right ?
[12:15] <ilba7r> thank you guys for your help thanx amu take care my friend
[12:15] <amu> yep, well done 
[12:16] <`TUX``> i am sorry when i try to install some packet the xbase-client occour and stop  all , is there a way to by pass this error 
[12:16] <`TUX``> to many errors occour and stop installation 
[12:16] <ztonzy> amu, I update my system to kde 3.4.1  last evening, I hope konqueror crashes will be less now
[12:16] <amu> `TUX``: afraid, no
[12:16] <`TUX``> thanks
[12:16] <`TUX``> i ll wait :)
[12:17] <amu> ztonzy: it didnt crashed for me, since today :) 
[12:17] <ztonzy> amu, sweet
[12:17] <Tm_T> ztonzy: at least less in my installation
[12:17] <ztonzy> amu, I hope my is more stable now too
[12:17] <ztonzy> Tm_T, ok
[12:18] <amu> you should invite daniels for a beer, in order to get those X bugs fixed :)  
[12:18] <Tm_T> =)
[12:18] <Tm_T> amu: where's this fellow, I'll invite ;p
[12:18] <amu> Tm_T: that's secret :P
[12:19] <Tm_T> damn!
[12:20] <Tm_T> I'll drink beers myself then
[12:20] <amu> heheheh
[12:21] <Tm_T> no I won't
[12:35] <amu> ztonzy: http://195.227.106.194/tmp/blender-hoary/blender_2.37-0ubuntu0_i386.deb
[12:37] <ztonzy> weee
[12:38] <ztonzy> amu, shall I test it ? first....before repositry?
[12:38] <amu> ztonzy: would be good 
[12:41] <ztonzy> amu, wee...installed fine and started fine
[12:41] <amu> great
[12:41] <ztonzy> amu, I do prefer the startup command for blender:
[12:41] <ztonzy> 'blender -w'  
[12:42] <ztonzy> in that way blender doesnt start up as fullscreen, but with window resizable borders...but maximized
[12:42] <amu> starting from the menu, right ? 
[12:42] <ztonzy> yes
[12:43] <amu> ok, i'll change this also, thx
[12:43] <ztonzy> a good idea to let a terminal running in background for it too...it shows all commands and what happens when you work
[12:43] <ztonzy> it is the best way to work with Blender having that terminal
[12:44] <amu> also no problem, you're sure you want this? 
[12:44] <ztonzy> hmm, "cat: /home/sten/.blender/VERSION: Filen eller katalogen finns inte"
[12:44] <ztonzy> wonder what that is
[12:45] <ztonzy> amu, most Blender users have that...in Windows they always get a DOS window in background....you cant avoid it in Windows
[12:45] <ztonzy> if they shut down the DOS window , Blender closes too...but in Linux you can choose to have it like that or not
[12:45] <amu> ok sounds logic
[12:45] <ztonzy> amu, ask any other Blender user....they will answer the same
[12:46] <ztonzy> amu, all commands you do, is shown there
[12:46] <amu> ztonzy: no prob ... already changed :) some more idea's ?   
[12:46] <ztonzy> hmm
[12:47] <ztonzy> what was that: "cat: /home/sten/.blender/VERSION: file or dir. does not exist"
[12:47] <ztonzy> is VERSION a .deb thing ?
[12:47] <ztonzy> hmm
[12:47] <ztonzy> amu, dont know if there's more needed...
[12:48] <ztonzy> amu, how do I re-install a .deb ?
[12:49] <ztonzy> amu, want to see what the packages does with .blender  in ~/
[12:50] <amu> apt-get install bla --reinstall
[12:51] <jaro> 60%
[12:53] <hussam> what if it's a local .deb? will dpkg -i aaa.deb  reinstall or complain that aaa.deb is alrady installed?
[12:53] <amu> ztonzy: http://195.227.106.194/tmp/blender-hoary/blender_2.37-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb
[12:55] <amu> hussam: it will be just reinstalled if you run it with dpkg 
[12:55] <ztonzy> amu, and remove ?   -r ?
[12:56] <amu> apt-get remove bla --purge 
[12:56] <amu> --purge purges you config, a clean removable of the package 
[12:56] <hussam> amu: ok thanks for the tip
[12:59] <amu> dpkg -remove ... 
[12:59] <ztonzy> amu, hmm...404
[01:00] <amu> dpkg and apt are great tools, you can defines options like you never can get them with other tools
[01:00] <ztonzy> must eat now
[01:00] <ztonzy> brb
[01:00] <hussam> amu: much better than rpm.
[01:00] <amu> ztonzy: ups, now it there 
[01:01] <amu> s/it/it's
[01:03] <jaro> Kontact crashes whenever I add items to the toolbar
[01:03] <jaro> whats wrong ??
[01:04] <jaro> and i cant specify mails as spam... 
[01:07] <amu> jaro: works for me on breezy
[01:07] <amu> .. both, adding items and defining mails as spam 
[01:08] <jaro> it worked before
[01:08] <jaro> but then there was a list.. and it had twice the same items
[01:08] <jaro> so i deleted it and moved the single items there
[01:08] <jaro> now they dont work
[01:13] <amu> jaro: yep, got also some trouble now, after modifing the defaults, if you will not touch them they just run ...could you please file a bug 
[01:14] <jaro> i dont know how
[01:17] <ztonzy> hmm
[01:18] <ztonzy> amu, I removed the menu in Graphic, after I uninstalled it, now re-installed it, no new menuentry is there except in Debian menu...
[01:22] <Tm_T> ztonzy: use kappfinder
[01:22] <ztonzy> Tm_T, what what reason ?
[01:23] <jaro> question: Can I upgrade to KDE 3.4.1 while running system ??
[01:23] <jaro> or should I close all other apps
[01:23] <jaro> because i am afraid he is going to crash when finished download
[01:23] <Tm_T> ztonzy: oh, try it, you'll see
[01:23] <ztonzy> jaro, I think best is, is to logout and then in again
[01:23] <ztonzy> after
[01:24] <ztonzy> Tm_T, ok
[01:24] <jaro> Tm_T ?
[01:24] <ztonzy> Tm_T, ah...tested it before , I see now
[01:24] <Tm_T> jaro: yes?
[01:24] <hussam> jaro: you can just make sure to reboot because even kdm needs to be reloaded.
[01:24] <Tm_T> hussam: why not just reboot X =)
[01:24] <hussam> hussam: I meant reboot after the upgrade
[01:24] <jaro> ah Tm_t is a nick lol
[01:24] <jaro> yes
[01:25] <Tm_T> haha
[01:25] <hussam> Tm_T: or just restart x. correct.
[01:25] <jaro> since kynaptic doesnt show progressbar i dont know if he crashed or just isnt finished
[01:26] <hussam> jaro: probably not finished since it will take a while to setup all the packages.
[01:26] <Tm_T> hmh
[01:27] <Tm_T> why not just use apt-get ;p
[01:27] <jaro> hmm because it is non graphical
[01:27] <jaro> may have been better in this case
[01:27] <jaro> but now its too late, isnt it ?
[01:28] <jaro> he is already downloading
[01:28] <jaro> 80% now
[01:28] <hussam> just do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:28] <hussam> jaro: then continue with kynaptic
[01:28] <jaro> ok
[01:29] <hussam> hussam: it will look like it foze when settting up, but that's just because it's busy
[01:29] <jaro> yes
[01:29] <jaro> but last time it never stopped
[01:29] <jaro> so i shut it down
[01:30] <hussam> jaro: nah, don't it just takes a while
[01:30] <jaro> ok, but how long might it take ?
[01:30] <jaro> 1 hour ?
[01:30] <jaro> 3 hours ?
[01:30] <jaro> i remember compiling kde3
[01:30] <ztonzy> Tm_T, doesnt find Blender however
[01:30] <jaro> it took a whole day
[01:30] <ztonzy> amu, still here ?
[01:31] <hussam> no after it downlaods, it may take like 10+ minutes to setup ( depends on machine )
[01:31] <jaro> olk
[01:31] <jaro> ok
[01:33] <Tm_T> ztonzy: hmm, strange
[01:39] <ztonzy> Tm_T, maybe yes
[01:42] <jaro> 89%
[01:48] <amu> ztonzy: yep
[01:49] <ztonzy> amu, it was added to Debian menu...but not "Graphic"
[01:49] <amu> ztonzy: ok, i can fix that also ... 
[01:50] <ztonzy> and it showed up  "windowed"      and "fullscreen"  but not terminal-on setting
[01:51] <jaro> 98%
[01:51] <jaro> ;)
[01:51] <amu> ztonzy: could you please setup like you like it and sent me your blender.desktop file 
[01:52] <ztonzy> amu, I dont have/use such file
[01:52] <ztonzy> but I could make it
[01:52] <amu> open kmenuedit 
[01:52] <ztonzy> aha
[01:53] <amu> move it from debian-dir to the right place and chance the start option -w and other like you want 
[01:54] <amu> than run a cd ~/.kde 
[01:54] <amu> find . name blender.desktop 
[01:54] <amu> cat blender.desktop |mail -smydesktopfile amu@kubuntu.de 
[01:55] <ztonzy> why mail ?
[01:55] <ztonzy> I use webmail
[01:56] <amu> ;) no prob use webmail  
[01:57] <jaro> 100% --> grey screen
[01:57] <jaro> lets find out
[01:57] <ztonzy> amu, sure
[01:58] <amu> ztonzy: thanks you rock
[01:58] <ztonzy> amu, hehe
[02:04] <jaro> wow he is ready
[02:04] <jaro> already
[02:04] <jaro> lol
[02:05] <jaro> going to reboot
[02:10] <spity|s> hello
[02:21] <ztonzy> amu, cant find blender.desktop  heh
[02:22] <jaro> reee
[02:22] <jaro> with Kde 3.4.1 :)
[02:25] <mikl> I wonder what
[02:25] <mikl> s changed in 3.4.1 - I haven't noticed anything yet
[02:25] <jaro> well i only noticed a smaller font at the login screen
[02:25] <jaro> which i will fix again ^
[02:26] <jaro> but where was that kdm again ?
[02:26] <mikl> locate kdmrc
[02:26] <hussam> jaro: did the upgrade to 3.4.1 work?
[02:26] <jaro> Yes :)
[02:26] <jaro> very smooth
[02:26] <jaro> :)
[02:26] <jaro> though nothing much changed 
[02:27] <hussam> kdemrc : /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[02:28] <jaro> wasnt there a graphic frontend to it ?
[02:28] <hussam> jaro: some stuff seem better. kmail no longer crashes
[02:28] <jaro> great :))
[02:28] <jaro> have to test it 
[02:31] <jaro> i heard with 3.4 it would be possible to use themes with kdm ?
[02:31] <hussam> jaro: yeah
[02:31] <Peps>  amI am  trying to get my laptop connect to the internet via my desktop. They both run kubuntu but I had no success. Can someone help me?
[02:31] <jaro> where can i do that ?
[02:32] <jaro> hussam: is there a graphical frontend to kdm ?
[02:32] <mikl> jaro: you'll have to change it in the kdmrc config file
[02:33] <hussam> yes, by default kdm comes themed on kubuntu, but you can change that
[02:33] <jaro> hm to be honest i like it the way it is ^
[02:33] <jaro> but i want to change the font size
[02:33] <jaro> and there was a graphical interface
[02:34] <hussam> jaro: i have the deb that lets you manage kdm themes (kdmtheme_0.9-0_i386.deb), if you want it
[02:34] <hussam> jaro: i have the deb that lets you manage kdm themes (kdmtheme_0.9-0_i386.deb), if you want it
[02:34] <jaro> oh yes
[02:35] <jaro> pls
[02:35] <Firetech> I like putty+irssi+psybnc
[02:36] <Firetech> That combination makes me able to chat from school :D
[02:36] <hussam> jaro: one minute. I have it here. I just need to upload it somewhere
[02:36] <jaro> hussam:  ok
[02:36] <jaro> hussam:  you can send it too
[02:36] <jaro> send file
[02:37] <hussam> jaro: I can't send file though IRC, I'm behind a proxy server. but here it is: 
[02:37] <jaro> ah ok
[02:37] <hussam> jaro: http://rapidshare.de/files/2128652/kdmtheme_0.9-0_i386.deb.html
[02:38] <jaro> where do i download ??
[02:39] <jaro> ah
[02:39] <jaro> javascript needed
[02:39] <jaro> now there might be a problem with firefox
[02:40] <Tm_T> eh
[02:40] <Tm_T> I used Firefox and I downloaded it
[02:40] <jaro> hey it works
[02:40] <jaro> :)
[02:40] <jaro> though last time when i activated java-script. java didnt work anymore lol
[02:41] <hussam> jaro: click "free" at bottom of page
[02:41] <jaro> yes it worked now :)
[02:41] <jaro> ive got it
[02:41] <jaro> thanks alot
[02:42] <hussam> jaro: there should be kdm themes on kde-look.org
[02:42] <jaro> i know
[02:43] <Peps> anyone here using guarddog?
[02:43] <jaro> ok, where do i run kdmtheme ??
[02:44] <Peps> I am trying to open the gnutella port - no success
[02:44] <Tm_T> yuh, ugly city:  http://gallery.kapsi.fi/albums/saatomatka_20050530/dscn5692.jpg
[02:45] <hussam> jaro: sudo kcontrol
[02:45] <jaro> Lol. Whenever I activate JavaScript.. it tells me that Java is not installed
[02:45] <jaro> as soon as i deactivate it, java works again
[02:45] <Tm_T> =)
[02:46] <Tm_T> Peps: hoh, there's been hell of a scanning in my gnutella port
[02:46] <hussam> jaro: sudo kcontrol, then check under "system administration", you'll find "kdm theme manager"
[02:46] <jaro> yes it works
[02:46] <jaro> :)
[02:46] <Tm_T> I'm glad it's not open
[02:46] <damyan> is there valknut on  bla.ubuntu.archive.com ?
[02:47] <damyan> or i have to compile it myself
[02:47] <jaro> kk
[02:49] <Peps> Tm_T: what do you mean?
[02:50] <Tm_T> Peps: well, I mean there's over 100 hits in last 2h
[02:51] <Tm_T> dunno why
[02:51] <Tm_T> btw why you need that port open?
[02:51] <Peps> The problem is I can't open the port. When I go to shields up it says the port is closed
[02:52] <Peps> I ticked it in gurddog, and even tried a user defined protocol
[02:57] <jaro> ehm
[02:57] <jaro> where is the standard kdm theme ??
[02:57] <jaro> in which path ?
[03:03] <Peps> Is it normal for a firewall to keep all ports above 1024 as "closed" and not as "stealth"?
[03:06] <ilba7r> i just love the new kde you really did some work on it yet the adminstrative mode in kde is still broken :(
[03:08] <Tm_T> Peps: try firestarter ;)
[03:08] <Tm_T> ilba7r: hmm, I have no trouble with it
[03:10] <joaquin13> hola
[03:10] <joaquin13> alguen m puede ayudar soy nuevo en esto
[03:10] <ilba7r> thats strange for it does not work at all for adding printers
[03:11] <ilba7r> ok take care room got to go
[03:12] <joaquin13> como se instala los paketes en kubuntu?
[03:24] <torkiano> joaquin13 con kynaptic
[03:24] <torkiano> o apt-get como una debian mas
[03:25] <Tm_T> oh please use english =)
[03:25] <torkiano> ok, sorry
[03:25] <Tm_T> vittu kaukenmaailman molopt tll mongertaa jotain saatanan siansaksaa
[03:25] <Tm_T> ;---P
[03:25] <msb> :>
[03:26] <Tm_T> sorry, that was... mean ] ;=
[03:36] <teknoprep> how is staroffice
[03:38] <ubuntu> I'm on kubuntu LiveCD and can't find how to change the screen resolution. Anyone have help?
[03:41] <mrmanic> ubuntu: do you have the resize and rotate dealy?
[03:41] <ubuntu> what is that
[03:43] <mrmanic> ubuntu: try going into settings
[03:43] <mrmanic> Settings/Peripherals/Display
[03:43] <mrmanic> you should be able to set your resolution there.
[03:44] <mrmanic> in konquerer, the url is settings:/Peripherals/
[03:44] <ubuntu> got it, but there is only one choice 640-480
[03:44] <mrmanic> ooh, that's painful.
[03:44] <mrmanic> I'm not on the live-cd, so I don't really know how to help you.
[03:44] <mrmanic> It sounds as though your video card isn't getting picked up, though.
[03:45] <ubuntu> I have an IBM ThinkCentre S50 
[03:45] <ubuntu> video is built in to the motherboard
[03:46] <ubuntu> thanks, I'll prowl around
[03:47] <mrmanic> sorry I couldn't help more.  it seems as though there's not much you can do on a liveCD short of extracting it, modifying the files and reburning it.
[03:47] <mrmanic> with regards to system settings, I mean.
[03:48] <hussam> ubuntu: if it weren't a live cd, you could easily modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the max resolution, restart X and you're set
[04:03] <Tm_T> hussam: arh, kill that awayscript
[04:05] <_alia> how I connect to dalnet
[04:06] <hussam> Tm_T: ok
[04:06] <hussam> Tm_T: sorry
[04:06] <hussam> Tm_T: why?
[04:08] <Tm_T> hussam: spam
[04:08] <Tm_T> I'm old fart, I don't like to know how long you're been away ;)
[04:11] <dion> oiii
[04:13] <kimo> why does intalling OOo2 require gcc-4base !! I dont want gcc4 coz it's too unstable (probably)
[04:13] <hussam> can somebody look at this? I have the same problem as this person http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38677 but I can't seem to solve it. Since I switched to Lubuntu , I can't get sound off tvtime.
[04:24] <teknoprep> ppl are so anal about stupid stuff
[04:24] <teknoprep> ohhh no.. someone told us how long he was away for 
[04:24] <teknoprep> uh oh get the irc police on him
[04:27] <Tm_T> haha
[04:28] <hussam> I didn't anything. xchat does that by default.
[04:28] <Tm_T> :/
[04:28] <hussam> but I turned it off
[04:28] <Tm_T> nice
[04:32] <kimo> do we get kde3.4.1 without adding special repos ?
[04:33] <hussam> I added saa7134 cardnumber=2 to /etc/modules   but I get only picture and no sound. is there anything else I have to load to get get sound?
[04:34] <kimo> hussam, in fedora, try lsmod as root, to see which modules are loaded. May be this will give u some ideas
[04:35] <Tm_T> kimo: no, because it's not secure update
[04:35] <kimo> ahh, so I'll have 2 wait for next kubuntu, right
[04:35] <Tm_T> kimo: why not add that KDE 3.4.1 repo then?
[04:36] <Tm_T> well yes and no
[04:36] <kimo> I have universe opened, is it enough
[04:36] <Tm_T> kimo: no, check topic
[04:37] <kimo> ahh sorry, one more thing. I just installed kubuntu yesterday. Do I need to add any repos to receive important updates from kubuntu ?
[04:37] <Tm_T> hmm, there was one (?)
[04:38] <Tm_T> deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main
[04:38] <kimo> thnx, I will make sure I have that
[04:38] <Tm_T> :)
[04:38] <kimo> should be there by default though!
[04:39] <Tm_T> kimo: no, they're less official ;)
[04:39] <kimo> duh, r they totally fixes ?
[04:40] <Tm_T> and install iso is done long time ago(?)
[04:40] <Tm_T> but just add them, there's several fixes and updates
[04:41] <kimo> ok thnx
[04:41] <kimo> have u added several repos to your machine 
[04:41] <kimo> if so, can I have ur sources.list
[04:41] <kimo> to save some time ;)
[04:42] <Tm_T> kimo: sure, wait a second (I clean it first ;p )
[04:43] <kimo> why clean it man, does it have porno repos ? :)
[04:44] <ubermonzie> hi all 
[04:47] <kimo> Tm_T, I am waiting ..
[04:47] <sproingie> main restricted universe multiverse pr0n
[04:47] <sproingie> i thought everyone knew about that
[04:47] <kimo> lol
[04:49] <sproingie> it complains about unauthenticated packages
[04:49] <sproingie> is there a gpg key for the kubuntu repo?
[04:50] <Tm_T> kimo: sorry, in a minute =)
[04:51] <hussam> man this sux, I can't seem to get anything to work.
[04:52] <sproingie> hussam: what's up?  or not, in your case?
[04:55] <Tm_T> kimo: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/temp/sources.list-temp
[04:55] <hussam> sproingie: just my tv card. I'm loading the right kernel module. I get a picture but no sound. I need this because I conenct the video camera to tv card. It still works when I reboot to windows. Actually this is the only reason I still use windows.
[04:55] <sproingie> no sound just for the tv out?
[04:56] <kimo> Tm_T, thnx man :) 
[04:56] <Tm_T> kimo: np
[04:56] <sproingie> i have no tv card, so I couldn't say ... check alsamixer and make sure the channel isn't muted?
[04:56] <sproingie> beyond that i couldn't say
[04:57] <hussam> sproingie: Line in is not muted.
[04:57] <kimo> hussam, specific hardware problems are worst! I hope you really tried google
[04:57] <sproingie> and the sound is coming out over line out?
[04:57] <sproingie> try unmuting every single channel?
[04:58] <sproingie> sometimes they get mixed up
[04:58] <hussam> kimo: I did. I found stuff in gentoo wiki. but I 've already tried them. The sound cable is conencted from tv card ( output ) to sound card's linein.
[04:59] <kimo> hussam, well if it's working in fedora, it's not a hardware problem!
[04:59] <kimo> hussam, I really recommend lsmod in fedora and ubuntu & see which modules are missing
[04:59] <hussam> kimo: could it be a ubuntu kernel bug?
[05:00] <kimo> not probably
[05:00] <hussam> kimo: I've already did lsmod in fedora. nothing is missing.
[05:01] <kimo> duh, this is strange! All fedora modules are exactly loaded in ubuntu !!! 
[05:01] <hussam> kimo: no everything. just the needed one.
[05:01] <kimo> :) lol how do u know
[05:02] <hussam> because on fedora, I used to manually build a lot of the kernel modules
[05:12] <hussam> sproingie: I have a feeling this could be a bug.
[05:13] <sproingie> if it works on fedora but not ubuntu, it sounds like a configuration problem
[05:13] <sproingie> quite possibly with ubuntu's defaults
[05:13] <sproingie> would have no idea what package to file the bug on tho
[05:18] <hussam> The only two reasons why I still need windows is for the video capture tvcard and AutoCAD.
[05:18] <hussam> I wish AutoCAD would be ported to Linux
[05:35] <MichaelDiederich> short question: Is it possible or "not stupid" to use the packages from dotdeb.org?
[05:36] <MichaelDiederich> i want to play with php5 and don't compile it on my own
[05:36] <sugoruyo> hi all
[05:37] <sugoruyo> can anyone help with some prob in kubuntu network config?
[05:43] <DaSkreech> How does Kubuntu work?
[05:43] <DaSkreech> I know it's Essentially ubuntu with KDE
[05:44] <MichaelDiederich> yes
[05:44] <DaSkreech> But do you wait till Ubuntu does something before you add it?
[05:44] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: hmm, no, we do KDE things as fast as possible
[05:44] <DaSkreech> Or does the Kubuntu team strike out on their own and try to get Ubuntu to add it on later
[05:44] <Tm_T> hmm, "we"
[05:45] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: you should ask it from Riddell 
[05:45] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: but I think Kubuntu team do KDE stuff and Ubuntu just uses em
[05:46] <DaSkreech> thats a nice relationship :)
[05:46] <Riddell> DaSkreech: it's all the same package archives 
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Though there seems to be a pretty large disparity between the quality of the Live Cds
[05:47] <jkeel> hey
[05:47] <DaSkreech> " The Kubuntu CDs are made up of Ubuntu's base plus KDE. You can get exactly the same effect by installing Ubuntu and adding the KDE packages from the Ubuntu archives."
[05:47] <jkeel> is Kubuntu generally a stable distro?
[05:47] <DaSkreech> Direct quote ;)
[05:47] <jkeel> I'm thinking about switching from Gentoo
[05:47] <DaSkreech> As stable as Ubuntu I would suppose
[05:48] <jkeel> anybody wanna make a comparison with another distro?
[05:48] <jkeel> Debian? Slack?
[05:48] <MichaelDiederich> jkeel: i switched one and a half year ago from gentoo to kubuntu
[05:49] <jkeel> MichaelDiederich: do you like kubuntu better than gentoo? why?
[05:49] <MichaelDiederich> jkeel: i have a P3 with 450MHz and a notebook with 1.3GHz - guess how long an emerge world and an emerge kde takes.
[05:50] <MichaelDiederich> i came from mandrake to gentoo
[05:50] <jkeel> MichaelDiederich: I know what you're talking about. my PPC laptop is ~1.2GHz. My desktop is 2GHz. long times...
[05:50] <jkeel> MichaelDiederich: I've tried many, many distros. I finally settled with Gentoo for about 2 years now
[05:51] <MichaelDiederich> jkeel: in additon, all my trys for a new kernel in 2.6 were failed, so i now use the kernel-image and it works, just works.
[05:51] <jkeel> is kernel-image a kubuntu thing?
[05:51] <jkeel> I'm kinda new to the distro :)
[05:51] <MichaelDiederich> in the first install you will get an image of a kernel - later you can make your own kernel if needed
[05:52] <MichaelDiederich> it is the system of debain
[05:52] <jkeel> ahh
[05:52] <MichaelDiederich> *debian
[05:52] <DaSkreech> Kubuntu == Debian Based
[05:52] <DaSkreech> Debian is kind of a Meta-Distro now
[05:52] <jkeel> :)
[05:53] <jkeel> I've never been a Debian fan because of the stability...it's too stable for me :) 
[05:53] <DaSkreech> jkeel: Have you tried Sid?
[05:53] <jkeel> no
[05:53] <MichaelDiederich> sid is stable, but not really up to date
[05:54] <MichaelDiederich> they still use kde 3.3 or so
[05:54] <jkeel> yeah, Gentoo kept me up to date. I'm hoping for the same in Kubuntu
[05:54] <jkeel> I'm using KDE 3.4.1 in Gentoo...just came out a couple of days ago
[05:54] <DaSkreech> jkeel: Run Breezy :)
[05:55] <MichaelDiederich> breezy?
[05:55] <jkeel> :) is that the ultra-latest?
[05:55] <DaSkreech> Yeah and should be just unstable enough to keep you happy :)
[05:55] <jkeel> lol :) I am a KDE contributor, so I really need the latest stuff 
[05:56] <jkeel> I'm just tiring of long compiles..
[05:57] <MichaelDiederich> oh yes
[05:57] <MichaelDiederich> how stable is breezy?
[05:57] <MichaelDiederich> i need php5
[05:58] <KaiL> MichaelDiederich: if something is REALLY unstable, then it is breezy
[06:00] <jkeel> thanks for your help, DaSkreech, MichaelDiederich
[06:01] <sugoruyo> can anyone help with net. config.??? plz...
[06:01] <MichaelDiederich> sugoruyo: you could just ask your question
[06:03] <Tm_T> ask and die! ] ;=
[06:03] <Tm_T> oh please, just ask ;)
[06:04] <sugoruyo> i'm having problems setting up my internet connection.
[06:05] <Tm_T> ok, go on
[06:05] <sugoruyo> i use adsl, and the settings in kde control center can't seem to save
[06:05] <sugoruyo> on none of my 2 pc's using kubuntu dvd or cd
[06:05] <Tm_T> hmm, I never done any settings in Kcontrol
[06:05] <sugoruyo> i make the settings then i go to control center again and they're gone
[06:05] <Tm_T> sugoruyo: internal adsl modem?
[06:06] <sugoruyo> no, ethermet
[06:06] <Tm_T> huh
[06:06] <Tm_T> hmm, so why you need any settings?
[06:06] <sugoruyo> ubuntu (with gnome) works fine
[06:06] <Tm_T> and what settings you are doing
[06:06] <MichaelDiederich> you get an address by dhcp?
[06:07] <sugoruyo> i get my address manually cos i'm on an internal network with others
[06:07] <sugoruyo> so i want my ip to be specific
[06:07] <sugoruyo> i also set the dns servers
[06:07] <MichaelDiederich> i would edit the /etc/networking/interfaces and the /etc/resolv.conf
[06:07] <sugoruyo> and i think i also need to choose my modem's ip as gateway
[06:08] <sugoruyo> so what manual way can i use to set it up?
[06:09] <MichaelDiederich> google for the two files above
[06:18] <DaSkreech> Any plans on automounting Hard drives for the next Live CD?
[06:18] <Tm_T> ehh
[06:18] <Tm_T> its not safe
[06:19] <ronny--> lo is it possible to draw a website on desktop in kde 3.4.1 ?
[06:19] <Tm_T> I think so
[06:20] <Tm_T> ronny--: rightclick on desk -> conf -> background -> advanced options ->
[06:20] <Tm_T> so yes
[06:20] <Tm_T> it's been there for ages
[06:20] <ronny--> ye but it dont work =/
[06:20] <Tm_T> hm?
[06:20] <DaSkreech> :-)
[06:20] <Tm_T> hmm, I'll try it
[06:21] <ronny--> ty
[06:21] <Tm_T> ronny--: remember to switch background pic off
[06:21] <Tm_T> ;--P
[06:22] <Tm_T> ronny--: it works fine
[06:22] <ronny--> i have no background picture and it dont work =/ i just see my background color
[06:23] <ronny--> kwebdesktop %x %y %f http://www.kde.org/  << this will show the kde.org website ?
[06:23] <Tm_T> yyyeah
[06:24] <ronny--> after 3min i get a white background :)
[06:24] <ronny--> seems it will catch something but not the kde website :)
[06:24] <Tm_T> heh
[06:25] <ronny--> btw, kwebdesktop will just make a screenshot of the page and show it in background. But i need to navigate in the site :)
[06:25] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: Why would mounting Hard drives readonly be a problem?
[06:26] <DarkraD-> hello
[06:26] <DarkraD-> anybody know how to change kubuntu language?
[06:27] <ronny--> install your language pack and then change the language in control center
[06:27] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: well, some newbies might break their windows ;)
[06:28] <DarkraD-> control center
[06:28] <DarkraD-> where is it ? =\
[06:28] <DaSkreech> Tm_TI: how if they can't actually change anything?
[06:28] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: eh, can't?
[06:29] <Tm_T> ro mount? well, it's one solution
[06:29] <DaSkreech> At least make it a cheatcode
[06:29] <DaSkreech> So you'd have to optin
[06:29] <Tm_T> =)
[06:29] <ronny--> DarkraD-: Left bottom on your screen. Open the KDE menu and then "control center"
[06:29] <Tm_T> ronny--: you got it working?
[06:29] <DarkraD-> k thx
[06:30] <ronny--> Tm_T: no :-/
[06:30] <ronny--> i need a konqueror window integrated to my desktop ;)
[06:31] <Tm_T> hmm, not a good idea
[06:32] <Tm_T> ronny--: try other web page
[06:32] <ronny--> dont work either
[06:34] <Tm_T> :/
[06:34] <DarkraD-> ronny--: in control center, when i click add language, i can only choose us_english
[06:35] <DarkraD-> but i have downloaded already the packages from the repository
[06:35] <DarkraD-> for my language
[06:35] <DarkraD-> language-pack
[06:35] <DarkraD-> language-pack-base
[06:35] <DarkraD-> support-pack
[06:35] <ronny--> you need the kde language package
[06:35] <DarkraD-> hmm
[06:35] <DarkraD-> i find in repository?
[06:35] <ronny--> sudo apt-get install kde-i18n-it for italien
[06:35] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hello
[06:36] <DarkraD-> k thx
[06:36] <Alex[RM-UK] > I am thinking of switching to Kubuntu and I have a few questions if someone would like to anwser
[06:36] <error403> What you switching from?
[06:37] <Alex[RM-UK] > Arch
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Well if we get the questions we can answer
[06:37] <error403> heh
[06:37] <Alex[RM-UK] > I know :P im donig them now
[06:37] <Alex[RM-UK] > with apt-get is there a list on the internet for the applications which I can downlaod and install with it ?
[06:38] <DaSkreech> Yes
[06:38] <Alex[RM-UK] > is it on kubuntu's site?
[06:38] <DaSkreech> You will get the list anytime you want to update it then it will be kept on your computer
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Oh :-) That kind of list :-)
[06:39] <Alex[RM-UK] > I know that, but I mean with Arch I could go on there site and search for what I wanted, it will then show all results with correct package name
[06:39] <Tm_T> Alex[RM-UK] : you can use "apt-cache search" to find what you're looking for
[06:39] <DaSkreech> I suppose Kynaptic would do that for you 
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Though right now it's not that great
[06:39] <Alex[RM-UK] > Thanks Tm_T - Forgot about Kynaptic
[06:40] <Alex[RM-UK] > lol, I forgot the other questions hang on let me think
[06:40] <Tm_T> Alex[RM-UK] : like "apt-cache search firefox language" to find language packages
[06:40] <Alex[RM-UK] > ahh right, thats good then.
[06:41] <Alex[RM-UK] > do I need to update the list first? I assume so
[06:41] <DaSkreech> You can if you like
[06:41] <Alex[RM-UK] > but i don't have to?
[06:41] <Tm_T> nope
[06:41] <DaSkreech> It will keep the list from the last time you updated but you may want to keep that list up to date :-)
[06:42] <Alex[RM-UK] > ahh,
[06:42] <Tm_T> well, I update&upgrade over 10 times a day =)
[06:42] <Alex[RM-UK] > :|
[06:42] <Alex[RM-UK] > Well, I've completly forgoten the other questions. But i'll be back in abotu 10 mins so I will hopefully remember by then hehe
[06:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > cya
[06:43] <DarkraD-> ronny--: thx works
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: Breezy?
[06:44] <ronny--> DarkraD-: np
[06:44] <Eliteforce> hi
[06:47] <carambol> how i get rid of gnome?
[06:48] <Alex[RM-UK] > Im back
[06:48] <DaSkreech> carambol: rm -rf /*
[06:48] <carambol> how i uninstall gnome
[06:49] <error403> DaSkreech, 
[06:49] <error403> thats not very nice...
[06:49] <error403> :P
[06:49] <DaSkreech> :-)
[06:49] <DaSkreech> ok
[06:49] <error403> i did that deliberately once....
[06:49] <DaSkreech> carambol: Are you running Kubuntu
[06:49] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: no way
[06:49] <DaSkreech> error403: It does work though
[06:49] <error403> DaSkreech, yes, it gets rid of GNOME
[06:49] <carambol> yeah
[06:49] <error403> and everything else
[06:49] <error403> lol
[06:49] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: I won't use breezy until release candidates
[06:49] <error403> i did it
[06:49] <error403> but i had my windows partition mounted
[06:50] <error403> >.<
[06:50] <carambol> bunt with the ubuntu install-cd
[06:50] <error403> anyway
[06:50] <error403> bbl
[06:50] <DaSkreech> Ah
[06:50] <Alex[RM-UK] > I remember one of my questions haha. When a new version of Kubuntu is released, do I have to download it and burn to CD. Or can I just do updates to update it to latest version?
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Alex[RM-UK] : Apt-get dist upgrade
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Should do it
[06:52] <Tm_T> yup
[06:52] <DaSkreech> carambol: You can just use Synaptic or Kynaptic to uninstall gnome I think
[06:52] <Tm_T> Alex[RM-UK] : ofcourse you don't have to reinstall
[06:52] <Tm_T> or apt-get
[06:52] <Tm_T> it's easiest imho
[06:52] <carambol> DaSkreech, is a little tricky...
[06:53] <DaSkreech> carambol: Ok
[06:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > 24% done of kubuntu ....not long now lol
[06:56] <Alex[RM-UK] > bugger,
[06:56] <Alex[RM-UK] > I got 1 hour left
[06:56] <Alex[RM-UK] > lol
[06:58] <Alex[RM-UK] > Kubuntu install seems very straight forward
[07:00] <Alex[RM-UK] > Everyone gone to the toilet or something?
[07:00] <DaSkreech> Ah that's Much better ;)
[07:01] <DaSkreech> Anyone needed anything while I was out at the toilet?
[07:01] <Tm_T> yes, I need a woman
[07:01] <Alex[RM-UK] > ^^
[07:01] <Alex[RM-UK] > lol
[07:01] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: I tried to code an open source one but no one understands the specifications :-(
[07:02] <Alex[RM-UK] > haha
[07:02] <DaSkreech> Plus it takes a lot more resources than you though it would 
[07:02] <Tm_T> I know, and there's no man page for woman
[07:02] <DaSkreech> Yeah it segfaults :-(
[07:02] <Tm_T> hmm, "apt-cache search woman"
[07:03] <Tm_T> nothing :/
[07:03] <Alex[RM-UK] > shame :(
[07:05] <DaSkreech> http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/sysadmin/5b7e/
[07:05] <DaSkreech> I did get this for my efforts though
[07:07] <Alex[RM-UK] > lol
[07:08] <Tm_T> yup, one of the old ones
[07:09] <DaSkreech> ah.. I'd work at a place if everyone could get a free thinkgeek shirt at the end of the year.
[07:09] <DaSkreech> Just submit which one you want and it's on your desk when you come back in the new year
[07:18] <Alex[RM-UK] > cya guys
[07:18] <DaSkreech> Bye
[07:19] <ZooMoo> Hello
[07:23] <DaSkreech> Hi
[07:23] <ZooMoo> How's it going? :)
[07:26] <MichaelDiederich> time for pizza
[07:55] <SpookyET> anyone got a YaST clone for kubuntu?
[07:56] <MichaelDiederich> for pain in the ass? :)
[07:56] <error403> lol
[07:56] <DaSkreech> SpookyET: WHy?
[07:57] <SpookyET> i miss yast
[07:58] <MichaelDiederich> play with java if you still need the pain..
[08:03] <[A] ndy80> hello, I'm trying to install samba but I get this error: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:03] <[A] ndy80>   samba: Depends: samba-common (= 3.0.10-1ubuntu3) but 3.0.14a-1~5.04ubp1 is to be installed
[08:03] <[A] ndy80> E: Broken packages, how can I fix this?
[08:06] <DaSkreech> [A] ndy80: try upgrading Samba
[08:18] <danboid> Why can I only sometimes write to my USB pendrive under kubuntu hoary?
[08:19] <reagleBRKLN> i can't install juk
[08:19] <reagleBRKLN> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libt/libtunepimp/libtunepimp-bin_0.3.0-2ubuntu5_i386.deb  Size mismatch
[08:21] <reagleBRKLN> why would it fail?
[08:22] <hans__> is there a way to connect to the internet via usb
[08:22] <reagleBRKLN> there are wireless usb devs
[08:22] <DaSkreech> USB modems?
[08:22] <hans__> no i mean with an usb cable connected to the router and the pc
[08:23] <reagleBRKLN> hans__: don't know about that
[08:24] <danboid> Anybody use a USB drive under kubuntu?
[08:24] <reagleBRKLN> danboid: yes
[08:25] <danboid> reagle: why oh why can i write to it sometimes and not others? THeres no write protect on the drive that I know of?
[08:26] <reagleBRKLN> danboid: don't know...
[08:29] <amadeus> Can not load module snd_cs4236. Someone Crystal 4237B running?
[08:32] <reagleBRKLN> what is the  key id for kubuntu.org hoary-updates ?
[08:35] <philipacamaniac> The kubuntu.org packages are unfortunately not signed
[08:35] <philipacamaniac> They worked for me...  :)
[08:35] <reagleBRKLN> oh
[08:36] <reagleBRKLN> yea, they work, just though i might as well get the key
[08:41] <SpookyET> back
[08:42] <SpookyET> There is something weird going on.  I installed GTK-QT to make GTK apps use QT in KDE, but it also makes them look like KDE in gnome too.
[08:45] <SpookyET> isn't it supposed to detect gnome and not do that?
[08:45] <philipacamaniac> That's how GTK-QT works
[08:45] <philipacamaniac> it draws GTK with QT widgets, whether in GNOME or KDE
[08:46] <philipacamaniac> You can choose the GTK theme within GTK-QT, and it will draw with that theme
[08:48] <SpookyET> kde runs with clearlooks colours
[08:48] <SpookyET> for a sec i didn't know why gnome was so pretty
[08:48] <SpookyET> it looks like clear looks but with kde widgets
[08:48] <philipacamaniac> Odd...
[08:49] <SpookyET> /mnt/ipod or /media/ipod?
[08:49] <danb> OK, so when I delete the entrys in mtab/fstab for my flash drive, reboot, plug in drive, a new entry appears in mtab and the drive is being mounted ro when I want rw. Whaddya do??
[08:50] <danb> I want to write to my flash drive without switching to root or anything
[08:55] <amu> danb: mount -t hfsplus -o rw /dev/sda1 /media/ipod 
[08:55] <SpookyET> gtk-qt is pretty cool
[08:55] <amu> ... if you didnt format you ipod and you have an ide-system
[08:56] <SpookyET> you can get around the qt licence
[08:57] <SpookyET> brb
[09:09] <danb> amu: do you know much about mtab/fstab?
[09:09] <danb> amu: or maybe HAL..?
[09:09] <danb> well a bit anyway
[09:11] <hans__> does anyone know the fritz!box fon wlan 7050?
[09:19] <philipacamaniac> amu: when building a very simple package, http://philipandjenny.com/wp-content/kubuntu-pkgmenu_1.3-0ubuntu1.deb, do I need to create a separate source package?
[09:24] <amu> philipacamaniac: yep, a orig.tar.gz and a diff 
[09:26] <philipacamaniac> what does the diff contain? I didn't make any changes (or is it diff between each subsequent version)? This package really just contains a shell script, so no source code or make involved.
[09:26] <amu> the diff is difference between the original and what you did 
[09:27] <philipacamaniac> So there is no diff, how do I say that
[09:27] <amu> if _you_ upstream of it .. of course the iff no diff 
[09:27] <philipacamaniac> I see
[09:27] <amu> s/the no/there's no/
[09:28] <uniq> you can however make the debian/ dir the diff.
[09:28] <philipacamaniac> should i?
[09:28] <amu> philipacamaniac: in this case it's called a nativ package 
[09:29] <amu> no, no need for it. than the tar.gz is interessting, we are working only with source packages compared to debian
[09:31] <philipacamaniac> I see... and now for the big question... who do I bother to include this in breezy? There is a bug report for the GNOME side of things https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2497, but this package only addresses KDE.
[09:34] <amu> philipacamaniac: could you please explain, what it will do? 
[09:34] <philipacamaniac> It puts items on the Action Menu for deb files
[09:35] <philipacamaniac> Install Package, Uninstall Package, Show Package Info
[09:35] <philipacamaniac> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23981
[09:36] <philipacamaniac> Kynaptic integration would be better, but this does the job quite well.
[09:36] <amu> cool, as i remember mvo,seb is working on such a thing for gnome 
[09:36] <philipacamaniac> Yeah, mvo is the bug assignee
[09:37] <amu> isnt it possible to add your patch/script to kdebase? 
[09:38] <philipacamaniac> You mean upstream at KDE, or just here?
[09:39] <philipacamaniac> If you mean just for Kubuntu's kdebase package, hrm, err, yes... just drop the 2 files (kubuntuservicemenu.sh and kubuntuservicemenu.desktop) into /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus
[09:41] <sorin> this makes kde easy on the eyes http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=24345
[09:41] <amu> i think it's only debian spec, guess the easiest way is, patching kdebase, otherwise you have extra packages, which mmust move into main, makes no sense, adding them to kdebase is easier    
[09:42] <philipacamaniac> so then I bug you?
[09:42] <philipacamaniac> :)
[09:42] <amu> yep, fine for me, package is kdebase, keyword kubuntu  
[09:43] <philipacamaniac> thanks
[09:43] <amu> cool idea!
[09:43] <philipacamaniac> thanks
[09:45] <amu> that's great, well done
[10:01] <ztonzy> amu, hi
[10:03] <amu> ztonzy: hi
[10:05] <ztonzy> amu, I didnt get you before
[10:05] <ztonzy> and now I am very tired :O
[10:05] <daba> ztonzy: (N)
[10:05] <ztonzy> daba, ?
[10:06] <daba> (F)(G)(D)(^):-[
[10:06] <daba> nice, all over IRC?(&)
[10:06] <daba> (&)
[10:06] <daba> sorry.
[10:06] <ztonzy> heh
[10:07] <amu> np
[10:08] <daba> np;)
[10:08] <daba> nah, Im just trying out kde...kubuntu...
[10:08] <daba> sorry I did it in the channel, i didnt remember opening a new one right away.
[10:20] <nmorse> Man, why do I always manage to find another problem with my new favorite linux distro?
[10:20] <nmorse> For some reason, my laptop cd drive doesn't work
[10:21] <nmorse> It's the first time I've had reason to use it in linux and bam! doesn't work
[10:21] <mrmanic> hmm
[10:21] <mrmanic> that's not good
[10:21] <mrmanic> does it show up in lspci?
[10:22] <Curalton> mrmanic: err, a cdrom is no pci device
[10:22] <root> hm.... my breezy does not let me log in anymore
[10:22] <mrmanic> !
[10:22] <Curalton> nmorse: check what is found on bootup via dmesg
[10:22] <root> only as root
[10:22] <mrmanic> I'm not thinking
[10:22] <mrmanic> yeah
[10:23] <root> :(
[10:23] <Curalton> nmorse: find the section "Probing IDE interface ide0 etc."
[10:23] <buz> yikes my fonts are broken
[10:23] <buz> pdfs look like shite
[10:23] <philipacamaniac> enable antialiasing?
[10:23] <mrmanic> nmorse: if you can slot the cdrom drive out and slot it back in, that might give you some worthwhile dmesg output too.  I know I can do that on my laptop.
[10:23] <Curalton> root: breezy is not for "common" people
[10:24] <buz> i dont think thats the problem
[10:24] <buz> most fonts look good
[10:24] <root> well.... i still use it
[10:24] <root> :p
[10:24] <buz> but some pdfs that used to look just fine have characters much too close
[10:24] <philipacamaniac> kpdf?
[10:24] <buz> yeah kpdf
[10:24] <Curalton> root: unless you were on debian/sid before and know how to fix things breezy should be a no no! 
[10:25] <root> eh, i was for long on unstable
[10:25] <Curalton> good, then fix it yourself ;)
[10:25] <root> but i never had to repair so much before myself :p
[10:26] <Tm_T> root: 
[10:26] <nmorse> I've got the dmesg output, should I just go ahead and paste it in here or in #flood?
[10:26] <philipacamaniac> Breezy aint exactly a breeze (sorry couldn't help myself)
[10:26] <sorin> Is there an option to tell kde not to display application name?
[10:26] <root> It's a storm breeze
[10:26] <Curalton> nmorse: err, use a nopast site
[10:26] <nmorse> like?
[10:26] <sorin> Package Manager (Synaptic Package Manager)
[10:26] <root> Anyway, I preper it over eternal stagnation to live through some breakage
[10:26] <Tm_T> root: try to create new user
[10:26] <sorin> All I want to see is "Package Manager"
[10:26] <Curalton> nmorse: http://nopaste.php-q.net/ comes to mind
[10:27] <Curalton> root: check /var/log/auth.log info while you login, do "passwd username" and set a new password
[10:27] <philipacamaniac> sorin: right click on the Kicker, and click configure panel
[10:27] <root> Tm_T: I did that... no help... seems something about Xorg and new kdebase is depending on things that are no longer
[10:27] <root> Sorry for not being clear, I cannot login from kdm
[10:27] <nmorse>  http://nopaste.php-q.net/138185
[10:28] <philipacamaniac> sorin: Click "Menus" and choose your display format
[10:28] <Curalton> root: not even console login works?
[10:28] <root> And I cannot get to see a console
[10:28] <Tm_T> root: ctrl+alt+F2
[10:28] <root> That no console thing might be due to using/not using framebuffer
[10:28] <root> Tm_T: That gets me an empty screen only
[10:28] <nmorse> I wonder if it's a dma issue
[10:28] <Tm_T> root: totally empty?
[10:28] <philipacamaniac> sorin: conversely, you can also simply right click Synaptic menu entry, and click "Edit item"
[10:28] <mrmanic> nmorse: is that all?
[10:28] <root> Tm_T: Totally black
[10:29] <Curalton> nmorse: hmm, to little, try to poste more. arround that lines
[10:29] <nmorse> The drive works just fine in Windows (when Windows works)
[10:29] <sorin> it doesnt' have "description" only
[10:29] <nmorse> That's all I get on ide other than probing ide2-5
[10:29] <sorin> "name only"
[10:29] <root> Tm_T: And then it doesn't work at all anymore, I suspect a problem with the gfx card, 
[10:29] <root> Tm_T: That might be gone if I choose framebuffer ...
[10:29] <Curalton> nmorse: i have "Probing IDE interface ide1..."   and then "hdc: TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-M1612, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive"
[10:29] <philipacamaniac> sorin: then just edit the actual menu entry to your liking
[10:30] <spiral> hmmm, whereis k3bsetup in kubuntu ?
[10:30] <philipacamaniac> spiral: I didn't need k3bsetup to get k3b to burn
[10:30] <nmorse> dmesg | grep cdrom
[10:30] <nmorse> cdrom: open failed.
[10:31] <nmorse> that's everything with cdrom and I gave you everything with IDE in it
[10:31] <spiral> philipacamaniac: I don't have the rights & it tells me to use k3bsetup
[10:31] <philipacamaniac> DOH!
[10:31] <sorin> was anyone able to install mono from debian's repository?
[10:31] <sorin> 1.1.6 + monodevelop 0.7?
[10:31] <nmorse> hdc: Slimtype COMBO LSC-24082K, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
[10:31] <nmorse> hdc: ATAPI 24X DVD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache
[10:31] <Curalton> nmorse: strange indeed. is it some fancy drive? builtin or removeable?
[10:31] <nmorse> Came with the eMachines laptop
[10:31] <Curalton> nmorse: ah, there it shows
[10:32] <Curalton> nmorse: insert a cd or dvd, then as root type "file -s /dev/hdc"
[10:32] <philipacamaniac> spiral: type groups in a konsole
[10:33] <nmorse>  /dev/hdc: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'UT2004_CD1
[10:33] <spiral> philipacamaniac: spiral adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin
[10:33] <Curalton> nmorse: ok, so basically it does work :)
[10:33] <philipacamaniac> spiral: i'll be damned
[10:33] <Curalton> nmorse: it somehow just doesnt show up on the desktop
[10:33] <spiral> philipacamaniac: hmmm ?
[10:33] <nmorse> No, if I try to run something off of it or cp something from it I get errors
[10:33] <philipacamaniac> spiral: that's what it should be, let me just check one other thing
[10:33] <nmorse> I can't open it in Konqueror
[10:33] <_alex> Hi there,
[10:33] <spiral> philipacamaniac: allright
[10:34] <Curalton> nmorse: does dmesg | tail show some hdc infos? have you tried with other cds, maybe this one is scratched
[10:34] <nmorse> ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3
[10:34] <nmorse> ISOFS: changing to secondary root
[10:35] <nmorse> Audio CDs don't play, etc.
[10:35] <_alex> I am wanting to create a a icon on the desktop which will open up konqueror to the Services page - what link is this?
[10:35] <nmorse> Ironically, DVD's work when CD's don't
[10:35] <_alex> Like what url do I use to link to it?
[10:35] <Curalton> nmorse: paste the dmesg | tail -30 output to the nopaste site maybe
[10:36] <nmorse>   http://nopaste.php-q.net/138190
[10:37] <_alex> Does anyone know the defauly ROOT password? I never got to set it up in install and I cant do any commands as root as I dont know password
[10:38] <nmorse> _alex: use sudo
[10:38] <nmorse> and your user password
[10:38] <spiral> philipacamaniac: any idea ?
[10:38] <nmorse> or do 'passwd root' to create a root account
[10:39] <_alex> sudo? is that the password
[10:39] <philipacamaniac> spiral: what are the permissions set on /usr/bin/cdrecord
[10:39] <spiral> philipacamaniac: -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 133 Mar 24 10:42 /usr/bin/cdrecord
[10:39] <nmorse> no, sudo is like su
[10:39] <spiral> philipacamaniac: should I add +s ?
[10:39] <_alex> ahh,
[10:39] <nmorse> but with groups that can do it, etc.
[10:40] <_alex> I dont understand the help
[10:40] <nmorse> your /etc/sudoers file has all the info along with man sudo
[10:40] <_alex> what exectly do I need to do?
[10:40] <_alex> ahh cool
[10:40] <nmorse> Whatever command you want to do as root, just put sudo in front of it
[10:40] <_alex> yeh I see now
[10:40] <_alex> but I would like to know my root password ;-)
[10:40] <nmorse> Then use your user password for the sudo password
[10:40] <nmorse> There is no root password
[10:40] <Curalton> nmorse: ah, "UDF-fs: No VRS found", strange. what does "grep hdc /etc/fstab" show?
[10:40] <nmorse> There is no root account technically
[10:41] <nmorse>  /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[10:41] <philipacamaniac> spiral: permissions are correct on cdrecord. try running k3b with kdesu to see if it works there.
[10:41] <_alex> so I type sudo passwd root
[10:41] <spiral> philipacamaniac: all right
[10:41] <Curalton> nmorse: udf is the dvd format per default, some CDs only use it
[10:41] <nmorse> Then you can make a root password and account
[10:42] <_alex> Hum, I just tried that and it said Sorry, Try again
[10:42] <_alex> alex@alex:~$ sudo passwd root
[10:42] <_alex> Password:
[10:42] <_alex> Sorry, try again.
[10:42] <spiral> philipacamaniac: this works...
[10:42] <nmorse> Use your user password there
[10:42] <Curalton> _alex: did you type it your user pass?
[10:42] <_alex> no, the one I wanted as root...I've got it now 
[10:42] <nmorse> Well, the DVDs work
[10:42] <philipacamaniac> spiral: hmm
[10:42] <nmorse> It's the cd's that don't
[10:42] <Curalton> nmorse: make a backup of the /etc/fstab file and change it to iso9660,udf
[10:42] <_alex> yes, it works
[10:42] <Curalton> nmorse: then see if the cd and the dvd work
[10:42] <_alex> :) thanks you guys
[10:43] <spiral> 'm going to bed
[10:43] <spiral> goodbye
[10:43] <Curalton> nmorse: then unmount everything and try again
[10:43] <spiral> goodnight
[10:43] <philipacamaniac> night
[10:43] <Curalton> nmorse: if needed manually via "umount"
[10:43] <_alex> one more thing, what is the URL to the Servies bit? I want to create a icon on my desktop called System which will show everything to do with my system, like when you click Servies on the left hand side in Konqueror
[10:46] <nmorse> dadgummit, tried a 'cp linux-installer.sh' off the UT2004 cd 1, and now the cd drive is spinning constantly
[10:46] <_alex> Does anyone know how ?
[10:46] <nmorse> Now I've got to reboot to get the thing to quit
[10:46] <nmorse> Be back in a minute
[10:51] <_nmorse> Hmm, I found a CD that works
[10:51] <_nmorse> That's odd
[10:51] <Curalton> heh
[10:52] <_nmorse> Oh well, I guess I'll see what I can do to make the others work
[10:53] <_alex> how do you remove folders via console?
[10:53] <Goshawk> _alex: rm -fr folder
[10:53] <_alex> ahh thanks
[10:53] <Goshawk> _alex: be carefull using this command
[10:53] <_alex> how come?
[10:54] <Goshawk> _alex: rm -fr /* will delete all (is like format)
[10:54] <_alex> Tasty
[10:54] <_alex> :S
[10:55] <Curalton> Goshawk: actually it will not delete /.hidden_file
[10:55] <Goshawk> Curalton: sure? * is for any character (also .)
[10:55] <_alex> Hum, im trying to access my Windows hard drive, and I went to Storage MEdia, and clicked on it but it sais Could not enter fodler /Windows 
[10:55] <_alex> folder*
[10:55] <Goshawk> (any character for any ripetition)
[10:56] <Goshawk> _alex: what's the error?
[10:56] <_alex> Could not enter folder /Windows
[10:56] <_alex> I created a folder in root called Windows ...thats where my Windows mount will be if you know what I mean
[10:57] <Goshawk> _alex: did you created a /Windows directory?
[10:57] <_alex> yes,
[10:57] <Goshawk> ok.. yu need to mount it
[10:57] <_alex> I have done
[10:57] <Curalton> Goshawk: nope, doesnt dotglob
[10:57] <_alex> with mount -a
[10:58] <Goshawk> sudo mount -o defaults /dev/xxx /Windows
[10:58] <Curalton> Goshawk: cd ~; ls * -d  wont show you hidden files
[10:58] <Goshawk> Curalton: i'm doing a test
[10:59] <Goshawk> Curalton: yes right
[10:59] <Goshawk> :D
[10:59] <_alex> It says it's alreayd Mounted or busy
[10:59] <_alex> mount: /dev/hdb1 already mounted or /Windows busy
[10:59] <_alex> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hdb1 is already mounted on /Windows
[11:00] <Goshawk> ok.. so it's mounted as root and a normal user can't access
[11:00] <_alex> so I need to set permissions
[11:00] <Goshawk> yes
[11:00] <_alex> chmod 775 Windows ?
[11:00] <Goshawk> sudo chmod 777 /Windows should be enought
[11:01] <_alex> no, 
[11:01] <_alex> still not working
[11:01] <Goshawk> ok cd /
[11:01] <Goshawk> ls -al Windows
[11:01] <_alex> yep
[11:01] <_alex> Permission deined,
[11:01] <Goshawk> sudo ls -al Windows
[11:02] <_alex> just done that, everythings there
[11:02] <Curalton> Goshawk: :)
[11:02] <Goshawk> give me the output
[11:02] <Curalton> no, you cannot change permissions to a mountpoint
[11:02] <Curalton> you have to mount it with certain permissions
[11:03] <_alex> all off the output??
[11:03] <Curalton> no
[11:03] <Curalton> _alex: leave it, you have to add "uid=<your user id>" to the mountoptions
[11:03] <Goshawk> Curalton: do you know exactly the -o option to mount?
[11:03] <Curalton> -o uid=....
[11:03] <Curalton> _alex: type "id" to see your user id, most likely 1000
[11:04] <_alex> so I type mount -o udi=1000
[11:04] <_alex> uid*
[11:04] <Curalton> yes, defaults,uid=1000 
[11:04] <_alex> it came up with help
[11:05] <Curalton> unmount it first, then same command as above but with a comma separated uid
[11:05] <Goshawk> _alex: man mount will be useful next time
[11:05] <_alex> ok,
[11:05] <_alex> so hang on ...I type umount to unmount everything?
[11:05] <Curalton> not everything
[11:05] <Curalton> just the /windows partition
[11:06] <philipacamaniac> amu: you here?
[11:06] <Goshawk> see you.. good night
[11:07] <_alex> ok, no I type mount -o defaults , = 1000 
[11:07] <_alex> ?
[11:07] <_alex> now*
[11:07] <Curalton> no space
[11:07] <Curalton>  -o defaults,uid=1000
[11:07] <_alex> ok
[11:07] <_alex> it came up with help again
[11:07] <philipacamaniac> amu: The new kopete 3.4.1 package depends on xmms, but that issue was fixed a while ago in the debian package.
[11:08] <Curalton> _alex: ah, you have to tell him what to mount as well
[11:08] <Curalton> add /Windows to the end
[11:08] <philipacamaniac> amu: the debian bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=238368 was fixed, but this issue has apparently reopened
[11:08] <DaSkreech> Does the numbers in the files in /etc/rcx.d/ mean anything?
[11:08] <philipacamaniac> actually, it looks like Riddell maintains the package, sorry
[11:09] <_alex> Hum, Windows already mounted, or busy
[11:09] <Curalton> yes, unmount it as i said
[11:09] <Curalton> umount /Windows
[11:09] <Curalton> then mount again
[11:09] <Curalton> and no programm must access /Windows
[11:09] <_alex> mount: can't find /Windows in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[11:09] <_alex> oh hang on
[11:10] <Curalton> oh, not even in fstab :S
[11:10] <_alex> Ok, I've added it to fstab
[11:10] <Curalton> i hope you got the syntax right :)
[11:11] <_alex> done
[11:11] <_alex> I have,
[11:11] <_alex> yaya
[11:11] <_alex> it works
[11:11] <DaSkreech> :-)
[11:11] <_alex> OH bugger, why does Konqueror open different folders in tabs and not in the active window?
[11:12] <Curalton> :)
[11:13] <Curalton> _alex: you can change that setting
[11:13] <_alex> im lookign for it now
[11:14] <_alex> they've hid it well :P
[11:14] <DaSkreech> We win!!
[11:14] <DaSkreech> olly olly oxen free
[11:14] <_alex> heyyy
[11:15] <_alex> what is the URL for the Services tab on KOnqueor? I would like a icon on the desktop that opens to it
[11:21] <_alex> anyone?
[11:37] <Firetech> yay, new nVidia drivers out!
[11:41] <apollo2011> I see in Kynaptic a Ubuntu package, I assume that is ubuntu but gnome, I would like to try it out but I want to make sure that the kde portion won't be messed up and that KDE will still (for now) stay as the default session type.
[11:43] <Curalton> apollo2011: installing a package wont change your  default session
[11:44] <Curalton> apollo2011: and even if you can still choose in the kdm loginmanager 
[11:44] <apollo2011> ok didn't think it would just wanted to make sure
[11:45] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hi,
[11:46] <DaSkreech> Alex[RM-UK] : Yo
[11:46] <Alex[RM-UK] > Do you know the URL to the Services tab in Konquoeor?
[11:46] <Alex[RM-UK] > I would like to make an Icon on the desktop to it, 
[11:51] <Alex[RM-UK] > no?
[11:57] <Firetech> They give me a little better framerate
[11:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > goodo
[11:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > I need to still install my ATI drives,
[11:58] <Alex[RM-UK] > Will prob do them tomorrow
[11:58] <Firetech> just hoping that they won't segfault like the 7167 drivers (with official patches, which made it very much like the 7174 version) did
[11:59] <Alex[RM-UK] > not sure
[11:59] <Alex[RM-UK] > give them a bit of TLC and they wont lol
[12:00] <Firetech> ...
[12:00] <Alex[RM-UK] > Tender Love and Care
[12:00] <Firetech> the 7174 version was perfect though...
[12:01] <Firetech> This one hasn't pulled my hair yet ;)