[12:03] take a look at ubuntuguide.org [12:03] there are good step by step guides for java and azureus. [12:04] just use kwrite instead of gedit whenever it might be used :) === duende [~duende@stjh1-0007.nl.aliant.net] has joined #kubuntu === hussam is away: goes to sleep === sirukin [~sirukin@64.247.151.242] has left #kubuntu ["out"] [12:11] Where is the package sun-j2re1.5?? I can't find it [12:11] I have multiverse and universe enabled [12:12] is KDE slower than gnome? [12:13] i seem to notice a huge speed diffrence from kubuntu and ubuntu [12:13] but i disabled all the KDE monitorring and set it to use less ram.... now it seems to move ok... but i shouldnt need to do that [12:13] gnome2 and kde3 are about equal in "speed" [12:13] ok [12:13] thx [12:13] kde 3.4 for sure [12:14] is the newest kde in the iso? [12:14] i downloaded/installed it yesterday [12:14] i dont think the .1 is on the official CDs === dabugas [~dab@ipd112.218.tellas.gr] has joined #kubuntu [12:15] ah k [12:15] ubuntu releaes in half year cycles [12:15] releases* [12:15] np hehe i was impressed enoguh that it was already compiled and avail thru apt-get [12:15] hi [12:15] man you guys are more active than microsoft [12:15] :P [12:15] i'm having a hassle with kopete... [12:16] is this an appropriate place to ask? (since it's not really kubuntu specific) [12:16] #kopete ? [12:16] ooh, wow. === Goshawk [~vincenzo@host145-121.pool8259.interbusiness.it] has joined #kubuntu === dabugas is irc stupid, generally [12:17] thanks [12:17] =) [12:17] np :) === alex9988 [~alex@DSL217-132-183-5.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #kubuntu [12:21] fellas [12:21] i installed kubuntu on a cheapo amd64, yesterday [12:21] and my only issue is that MP3s don't play [12:21] in which player? === Blissex is now known as Blissex|phone [12:21] kaffeine and amarok go down with error 11 (sigsegv sp?) [12:22] methinks its the xine down below [12:22] or however the engine is called [12:22] wavs and CDs are fine [12:23] did you install akode-mpeg? [12:23] what about amarok? [12:23] i did only the default install... [12:23] it worked when i ran the 32 bit version off the live cd [12:23] alex9988: put the hoary sources in your apt and install akode-mpeg [12:23] ah. then maybe it's something else [12:24] the sound card works fine with knoppix-based installs...... [12:24] and in win2000 [12:25] alex9988: if you can play wavs but not mp3s chances are is you don't have the right encoder; which is why i suggested akode-mpeg (it's required for amarok to play mp3s). other than that, i'm not aware of the error. [12:25] (amarok and kaffeine, from the default install, both go down. kaffeine shows the error screen, amarok only sometimes, but it never plays the music [12:26] dabugas, is it consistent with the error #?? [12:26] i don't know. i 'm switching to kubuntu more or less right now [12:26] ok [12:26] and installed them simultaenously [12:26] btw, amarok has crashed after 15 minutes of usage. grrrrr. [12:27] i have the gnome version running for a few hours now. but i like kde better so i guess i'll go back. errors are quite the same in ubuintu [12:27] but the display of errors is far better in K [12:28] (without wanting to incite flames, &c) i prefer gnome. but i find it less mature. plus, it's going in a direction i'm not particularly enjoying [12:28] ok. let's not talk religion here :-) [12:28] heh [12:29] i use win xp 11 hrs per day in the office. who's laughing now :-( [12:29] i'm talking strictly about the interface in more or less the default state. i'm not really a techie person. the days of fiddling with sawfish and lisp are behind me :) [12:29] i was such in the early 80s [12:29] now it's work for survival! [12:29] just want something that doesn't piss me off (and gnome began to do so... consistently) === astro76 [~james@astro76.user] has joined #kubuntu [12:30] i use win 2000 where i work [12:30] hehehe [12:30] at least when i log on to the DB servers they're solaris [12:30] ok. have a nice day. i go sleep a little, then see a little spurs-suns [12:30] bye [12:30] at least, i mostly do word and excel at work. otherwise i just jump. [12:30] i jsut wish i could convince the adminstration of using firefox instead of explorer [12:31] :-0 [12:31] dabugas have you ever tried kde? [12:31] that's what i'm using right now [12:31] just switched yesterday [12:31] yeah [12:31] I find it more like windows [12:32] but thats just me... i think its more like other OSs... I find it easier to use [12:32] that is what i don't like [12:33] :) [12:33] i used to use sawfish with various lisp mods [12:33] ioh heh [12:33] ii think its pretty nice for anyone just switching from windows [12:33] and ran everything out of a terminal [12:33] unfortunately i'm a sucker for eye candy [12:33] so the desktops enticed me recently (i got a slightly newer computer too... a whooping 500mhz athlon ;p) [12:34] well, i've been with linux since 98 or so. i switched because i _hate_ the windows interface. [12:35] the only thing i've noticed with kde that is really odd is that the same font, with the same size, appears larger or smaller in different places [12:36] heh [12:36] does anyone else have this? [12:36] i think thats just part of kde [12:36] no, i think i've probably done something silly somewhere along the line [12:37] i think i have that too === Firetech goes to bed, it's nicer than sleeping in the chair in front of the computer === xvss [~xvss@200.96.210.114] has joined #kubuntu [12:37] for example in amarok: i use free sans 12 in the playlsit and free sans 10 in the context and they look identical (!) === sirk [~sirukin@64.247.151.242] has joined #kubuntu [12:41] dabugas: it can be different between computers too [12:41] Wow this amaroK player is really nice! [12:41] I asked a guy on kde-look what font he used in his title bar [12:42] he said bit stream vera sans bold 12 [12:42] I entered size 12, that was WAY to big... [12:42] hahaha [12:42] Does anyone know any firewall manager programs like firestarter but for KDE? [12:43] 10pt on my comp is 12pt on his comp. Same font, same context [12:43] i know. it's just that i find it strange that the same font in the same application is different sizes [12:43] maybe this is a design decision. i have no idea. [12:43] it ain't idiot friendly... [12:44] good night. [12:44] seek205: if you know and like firestar why don't you use that? a quick search points to guarddog [12:45] guarddog is pretty nice [12:45] Easy to set up and even has normal port info for stuff like games [12:46] Cause I dont think it will sit in the system tray.. I dunno [12:47] seek205: gaim which is a gnome program sits just fine on my kde taskbar [12:47] really? [12:47] yup [12:47] Sorry I never used to use KDE till now really [12:47] i'm switching now, too. i haven't used it since it was proprietery :) [12:47] heh [12:49] ok, i just tried firestarter. it works just fine with the system tray === nate__ [~nate@c66.168.31.134.mad.wi.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu [12:52] ok thx [12:52] but it has to have root privliges how can I get it to run on startup? [12:53] not sure how kde's session management works [12:53] but you would to run it with sudo [12:53] yea [12:54] in gnome i had made it start with "gksudo firestarter" [12:54] not sure if there's "ksudo" :) and how you can add it at start-up, tho [12:54] heh yeah [12:54] maybe there is === sirk [~sirukin@64.247.151.242] has left #kubuntu ["out"] === firasR [~firas@adsl7-14.qualitynet.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:05] is there any way to make gtk+ programs to look something except shit in kde? [01:05] (esp. gtk1 programs like amule) [01:05] hi all [01:06] dabugas: if u find one please let me know, tried gtk2-engines-gtk-qt package but it doesn't help much, actually makes 'em look worse sometimes [01:07] heh [01:07] dabugas: however if i use it with the "Mist" gtk theme some apps look half decent, but nowhere near Qt apps though [01:07] by biggest prob is not with amule (which looked crap on gnome 2 anyway) but firefox. i really, really like firefox. and it's just looks really bad [01:08] i'm using lipstik on kde and the difference is so painfully obvious :( [01:08] dabugas: u gotta try the "Plastik Crystal SVG" theme [01:09] dabugas: makes it look like a KDE app [01:09] dabugas: almost like konqueror [01:09] dabugas: really nice I must admit [01:10] dabugas: sorry that's "PlastikFox Crystal SVG" [01:10] it just changes the buttons &c, no? [01:10] it doesn't change the actual widgets... or am i wrong, here? === jesusda [~jesusda@84-121-13-125.onocable.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu === michelp [~michel@166.170.2.221] has joined #kubuntu [01:12] dabugas: hey, beggers can't be choosers :) but I use it with the KDE "Lipstik" widgets and "Crystal" window decos and it looks pretty decent [01:12] i'll give it a shot [01:13] konqueror is great, but i prefer have a distinct browser [01:13] (i have simple, silly mind... ;) [01:13] dabugas: same here :) hehe [01:13] although i just saw kontact and i'm thinking of ditching thunderbird [01:14] i'm just being cautious still coz of thunderbird's awesome spam filtering [01:14] dabugas: been using kontact for some time and I love it [01:14] I use kontact fairly extensively, I like it, but it's still not up to the level of Evolution [01:14] i found evolution too clunky [01:14] brandonn: how so ? [01:14] but then i always prefered of using one program to do one job rather than four [01:15] well, mostly in the area of third party support, like phpgroupware [01:15] brandonn: haven't tried too many (or any of those) === omni_lonnie [~lonnie@12-217-12-234.client.mchsi.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:16] the one thing that I was was that it supported SQL as a database type for calendar and addressbook === michelp [~michel@166.170.2.221] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [01:16] right now I'm writing a perl script to update SQL based on the Vcards === KaiL [KaiL@p548F7268.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:16] and then let's simplify... there's mutt. [01:17] dabugas: u gotta be kiddin' right ? [01:17] :) [01:17] I have a friend that is a third level engineer at Sun, and still uses pine for email [01:18] i used pine for years === claydoh [~claydoh@65.99.186.114] has joined #kubuntu [01:18] (well, two) === hussam [~hussam@194.126.31.19] has joined #kubuntu [01:19] & of course pico is an adorable editor [01:19] yeah, I still prefer vim, but I think it's more habit now than anything, I can't count how many times I type :wq in OpenOffice [01:19] I did some time ago as well, waaaaaay back, it was painful ! [01:20] firasR: the beauty of linux is that you can mix-&-match the really basic with the really complex [01:20] brandonn: now that's one thing that's actually grown on me, VIM :) [01:20] brandonn: heh. never one for either vim or emacs; but it took some adjusting to go to abiword from nedit (now i'm trying to use OOo with some success) [01:21] brandonn: i keep reading all those posts that say "type gedit/kedit this file or that" and I'm thinkin' why would u want to do that ? so much faster to type "vi" :) [01:21] heh [01:21] dabugas: yeah ur absolutely right, choice is a blessing ! [01:22] generally i have an "e" link to a console text editor (mcedit or somethign equally simple) and an "xe" for something like gedit (or leafpad which is even liter) [01:22] dabugas: nice idea [01:22] this way i can switch editors, without switching commands :) [01:23] (unless i'm using arguments which generally differ) === _nils [~nils@barop.wh.uni-dortmund.de] has joined #kubuntu === loli [~loli@bzq-82-81-69-161.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:30] Is there anything I need to do to a new Western Digital hd before I install it and run the Kubuntu install and format it? === omni_lonnie [~lonnie@12-217-12-234.client.mchsi.com] has joined #kubuntu === jrt [~jrt@spc1-warr2-5-0-cust74.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu === jrt [~jrt@spc1-warr2-5-0-cust74.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === _tarball_ [~tarbal@spc1-warr2-5-0-cust74.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:38] <_tarball_> Why does kubuntu ask for the install CD/DVD when I 'apt-get' some packages? [01:39] because you have the cdrom listet in /etc/apt/sources.list [01:39] and so it tries to install them from there, as far as possible [01:40] can anyone help me with using the wiki - /query please === seek205 [~seek205@67-42-59-107.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #kubuntu === philipacamaniac [~philip@ip68-228-49-137.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu === Mestapheles [~Captain@d142-179-138-139.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:42] does KDE have a startup folder or options for program to startup on KDE start? [01:44] .kde/Autostart [01:44] ah thanks [01:47] g'night === claydoh [~claydoh@65.99.186.114] has joined #kubuntu === hussam is away: goes to sleep === BAfH [waja@gremlin.cyconet.org] has joined #kubuntu === alex_ [~alex@ca-vannys-bluewave1d-a-79.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu === claydoh|away [~claydoh@65.99.186.114] has joined #kubuntu === BROKEN_LADDER [~pral@h-67-101-103-122.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #KUBUNTU === seek205 [~seek205@67-42-59-107.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:08] is there a deb for firefox 1.04 anywhere? [02:14] seek205: the latest package available in kynaptic is 1.04 [02:14] It appears as 1.02 though. [02:15] if you get blocked from the Firefox Extensions site, you can edit a key in about:config so it will let you in === Blissex|phone is now known as Blissex === allee is away: Away at the moment === edsuom [~edsuom@207-118-75-248.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #kubuntu === allee [~ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [02:20] oh ok I see I just changed the version # so I could get to moz update === warty [~warty@218-101-66-103.dialup.clear.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu === Blissex [~Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has left #KUbuntu ["Konversation] [02:22] kubuntu just died [02:22] x wont start [02:25] on startup, it did a fsck, fsck died a couple times, when I got it to finish it'd found lots of errors, fixed them supposedly, now x wont start === alex_ [~alex@ca-vannys-bluewave1d-a-79.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has left #kubuntu [] [02:29] anyone home? === claydoh|afk [~claydoh@65.99.186.114] has joined #kubuntu === bgiacomelli [~bgiacomel@cpe-65-31-11-118.insight.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu === alex_ [~alex@ca-vannys-bluewave1d-a-79.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu === uniq [charlie@gw.ipv6.lnix.net] has joined #kubuntu === alex_ [~alex@ca-vannys-bluewave1d-a-79.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has left #kubuntu [] === seek205 [~seek205@67-42-59-107.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #kubuntu === prasys [~prasys@prasys.user] has joined #kubuntu === prasys is now known as Darth_Prasys === utta [~utta@c-24-128-224-224.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === seek205 [~seek205@67-42-59-107.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #kubuntu === liz4rd [~liz4rd@static24-72-76-248.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #kubuntu [04:16] bleh === Darth_Prasys [~prasys@prasys.user] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] === N1G0W [~n17r0@amf-zlh-90d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #kubuntu [04:31] what other good kde irc clients are there besides konversation? this one gets on my nerves [04:33] lol try xchat [04:33] irssi [04:33] epic [04:34] bitchx === N1G0W is now known as N17R0 [04:34] gaim [04:34] :P [04:34] but gaim sucks for irc heh [04:34] yeah [04:34] mozilla chat :P [04:34] ohh yeah mozilla makes a good one [04:34] dumbass [04:34] JUST LEAVES [04:34] but imho xchat is the best [04:34] LOL [04:34] i thot u was tlakin to me at first [04:34] LOL [04:34] i think he prolly got d/ced [04:34] i'm not banned anymore [04:34] look at quit msg [04:35] oh === seek205 [~seek205@67-42-59-107.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:35] hahaha [04:35] did u see what we said bfore u left? [04:35] or what liz4rd said :P [04:35] all i need to do on ubuntu is video drivers... sound drivers... and something els [04:35] :P [04:35] shhh [04:36] haha [04:36] he mighte not take to kindly to insults [04:36] your coding it? [04:36] no not that [04:36] wtf then? [04:36] oh [04:36] :) [04:36] =) [04:36] im not that mean lol [04:37] ok good :P [04:37] so r u coding drivers? [04:37] or u installing? [04:37] installing [04:37] ah heh [04:37] doesnt it auto setup evrything [04:37] for ya [04:37] but not sure about the nvidia drivers [04:37] cuz i dont know how to get out of X on ubuntu [04:37] ohh === liz4rd was on slackware yesterday [04:37] mine just stopped loading when i booted [04:37] i dont know why [04:38] :P [04:38] i was trying forever to kill it [04:38] i think i might grow to like ubuntu [04:38] then kde had an error and the gui didnt come up when i rebooted... but it still works wen i start it [04:38] sudo apt-get install xfce4 :D [04:38] :) [04:38] do u prefer kde or gnome? [04:39] mmmm hard to say...when i first started out on linux kde was my homie then gnome got pretty cool so i stayed in the middle with fluxbox and xfce [04:39] xfce is m fav recently [04:39] u? [04:39] kde [04:39] its more suitable for n00bs [04:39] :P probly [04:40] similar to other OSs [04:40] i consider my sefl still one tho :P [04:40] nice feel and look [04:40] me2 [04:40] :) [04:40] thats why i prefer it [04:40] what are all the distro's youv been on? [04:41] linspire, debian, a few xbox-linux distros like Xebian, gentooX and knoppix [04:41] an rh [04:41] and mandrake a long time ago [04:41] but how many did i get to work is the real question [04:41] :) [04:41] ohh and obviously ubuntu + kubuntu [04:41] me (from the begining) knoppix, fedora, SuSE, slackware and now ubuntu [04:42] hehe nice [04:42] i always wanted to try suse [04:42] my dream is to sucessfully install gentoo [04:42] but i heard it was no good for noobs [04:42] no its prefect man [04:42] its the easyest of all :P [04:42] i failed lol on a ppc [04:42] :P [04:42] but on xbox with gentooX it is real easy [04:42] probly [04:43] well i mean they know what it is going to be run on [04:43] so forget all that hardware detecting shit [04:43] they can make it completely automated [04:43] yeah [04:44] brb phone [04:44] kk [04:44] Kubuntu's livecd makes a great disc to install gentoo from.. [04:44] my friend already got his copy, and he is loving kubuntu. now, to get him to install it.. [04:44] i never thought of that [04:45] want a screenshot? it couldn't be easier.. [04:45] haha [04:45] sure [04:45] prolly [04:45] with the gui it must be real easy === zim65 [~zim65@230.b165.bendtel.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:46] It's not like you install gentoo with a gui, you're still following the guid [04:46] It's just, you're able to do other thngs.. [04:46] back [04:46] well url to screenshot? [04:46] me, personally, i'm using Kontact and Konq to do other things. Oh, and Konversation for IRC [04:46] hold on [04:46] alright [04:47] i like xchat better [04:47] yeah [04:47] I perfer irssi with a good terminal app (like aterm or eterm) [04:48] http://img109.echo.cx/my.php?image=snapshot15cp.png [04:48] I'm on 76 of 87 already. It's flying, and Kubuntu still rocks. [04:49] kewl === Shuddertrix is having a triple-boot, kubuntu gentoo windows. [04:50] I'll use kubuntu to show off to friends on how easy it is to use linux, gentoo for regular usage (won't forget kubuntu for some things, however ;) ) and windows for.. well, nothing really.. [04:50] :P [04:50] I mean, what can I do in windows that I couldn't in linux? [04:51] One game will not run in cedega. That's it. [04:51] (of the ones I play) [04:52] By the way, the only thing I changed from the defaults in that screenshot is the fonts, i'm using FreeSans everywhere [04:53] k === dewey [~dewey@c-67-168-51-149.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === SpookyET [~sorin@24-196-233-44.cpe.ga.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu [05:26] Everytime I start Enemy terroritry it wont run unless I kill artsd is there any way to fix that so I dont have to kill it everytime? [05:31] seek205: Same here, but with other games.. [05:31] Not sure what's up with that. [05:31] I just disable sound system support until i'm done playing a game === Shuddertrix waits for his kernel to compile while planning some stuff in kontact. compiling a kernel has never been so phun [05:32] Hopefully, i'm not the only one that uses kontact. [05:33] Windows and Ubuntu both run at 1600x1200, 75. However, when I boot into Ubuntu, the image is shifted right by a half a cm. I'm tired to alwasy have to adjust the image each time I boot into Windows and Linux. Does anyone have any idea on how to fix this? x11 problem? [05:34] SpookyET: Shift the screen with Windows a half-cm over. Problem solved. [05:35] To be honest, I have no idea how to fix that with X. [05:35] Shuddertrix, wrong === tim_h [~Tim@p54A1D749.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:35] the screen looks wrong in linux [05:35] not windows [05:35] SpookyET: Wrong? Then what's right? [05:35] :P [05:36] if i shift it in windows, i won't see a part of the start menu [05:36] Really, I don't know why. [05:36] Google helped yet? [05:36] nope === aseigo [~aseigo@S010600023f8bac18.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:36] xconfig file problem? [05:37] You'd think that there is probably a setting you can change. === _douglas [~douglas@dpc6745164251.direcpc.com] has joined #kubuntu === tim_h__ [~Tim@p54A1CD46.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:49] hmm [05:49] suse 9.3 recognizes the ipod [05:49] does it? [05:49] yeah [05:49] sweet === douglas_ [~douglas@dpc6745164251.direcpc.com] has joined #kubuntu [05:49] i know [05:50] i've been thinking of getting it [05:50] well it would be cooler if i owned one [05:50] :P [05:50] i just don't know how many cds i need [05:50] there are 5 [05:52] really? [05:52] shits aint free is it [05:52] every linux can be downloaded [05:52] i know that ;) [05:53] it's dvd only, but some dudes made 5 cds out of the dvd and put it on bittorrent [05:53] 3.7G [05:53] sweet [05:54] what package would Python Qt bindings be in? [05:54] all i want is kde [05:54] i hate gnome [05:55] i don't want all 5 [05:55] you could do an ftp install [05:55] I did that when I used to run SuSE [05:55] Yes, back when it was SuSE.. ;) [05:55] finding the right ftp is hard [05:55] It found my ipod, too [05:55] amaroK:-) [05:56] Yeah, it took my about 7 tries, but i soon found one that maxed my connection [05:56] .. back when my cable was 3mbps and not 5mbps.. heh [05:56] ubuntu is pissing me off due to the old mono stuff === kakalto [~kakalto@wired-210-54-56-104.ps.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu [05:57] is gnumerics as good as the gnome dudes make it seem? [05:58] If your into that thing, yeah, it's pretty good [05:59] Now, this is an oddity.. [06:02] Check this out: http://img122.echo.cx/my.php?image=snapshot23qw.png [06:03] Nothing horrible, but strange.. [06:04] ? [06:05] don't know [06:05] is it supposed the be alifgned that way? [06:05] haven't got a joystick [06:05] Does anyone know how to change file/dir permissions in gnome recursivly? [06:06] try #ubuntu .... this place is more likely to tell you about kde [06:06] in kde, it does it by default [06:06] gnome is just weird [06:07] true that [06:07] hmm [06:07] gnome just crashes for me [06:07] on login [06:07] I don't think I've ever changed permissions in gui [06:07] No.. [06:07] which is one reason I use kde instead of gnome [06:07] It the fact that the display and joystick panels are in the SAME panel [06:07] ahh [06:07] It is [06:08] Geez. I can't even make correct sentences anymore. === _tron [~tron@201.247.88.96] has joined #kubuntu [06:08] >_> [06:08] <_tron> test [06:08] _tron: test failed [06:08] :P [06:09] <_tron> tron: test succesfully [06:09] _tron: kernel panic: master queue check testing has FAILED, cannot continue. [06:09] 091239801923080192380909180821291380123809213 (random spam) [06:10] 404 NOT FOUND === crimsun_ is now known as crimsun [06:10] <_tron> y2k [06:11] 666 HELLBOUND TRAIN TEST FAILED - ABORT ABORT ABORT [06:12] the best thing about suse is yast [06:12] I might try SuSe at some stage [06:12] seeds are kind of scarce [06:12] <_tron> the best thing about kubuntu chat is tron [06:12] No [06:12] The best thing about #kubuntu is most definatly.. the /topic [06:12] _tron, you're getting mixed up with 'worst' [06:13] I mean, you find answers to a ton of questions with the /topic. It's a ton better then even me... a hard task, for sure.. but it's been done, by #kubuntu 's /topic [06:14] ;) [06:14]