=== swe3tdave [~swe3tdave@Toronto-HSE-ppp3760972.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:13] morning === swe3tdave [~swe3tdave@Toronto-HSE-ppp3760972.sympatico.ca] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === jeffsch [~jeffsch@fatwire-201-206.uniserve.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:06] hey jeff congrats on the style guide [04:08] thanks eh [04:09] it's only a beginning though === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:09] its a good start === gun [~root@d2-206.mech.tut.ac.jp] has joined #ubuntu-doc === gun [~root@d2-206.mech.tut.ac.jp] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === swe3tdave [~swe3tdave@Toronto-HSE-ppp3760972.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === swe3tdave [~swe3tdave@Toronto-HSE-ppp3760972.sympatico.ca] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] [07:40] froud-away: How's the e-mail coming along? ;) [07:40] hi === venda [~sean@ndn-165-138-57.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:50] African Greetings [08:01] hello [08:02] jsgotangco: morn [08:03] people need to be aware of a license problem [08:03] I discussed this with mako yesterday [08:04] if you find a doc on the internet and want t o use it in whole or part within svn [08:04] you must get agreement from the copyright holder to use it in svn and relicense it under our licenses [08:04] if the copyright holder declines [08:05] then we can only keep the doc in svn under terms of the copyright holders license [08:05] WE MAY NOT RELICENSE [08:05] WE MAY NOT MERGE OR USE IT UNDER A DUAL OR OPPOSITE LICENSE [08:05] i thought about this as well 2 days ago [08:05] :-) great minds [08:06] So if something is GPL, GFDL, or CC-BY-?? we can use it in svn but must have permission to change the licensing [08:07] Thanks to Gua, author of ubuntuguide.org, for allowing us to use the docteam licenses on the FAQGuide [08:07] because i saw this how to create a deb tutorial by zonker and i thought it would be a great addition [08:07] s/Gua/Chua [08:07] but then even if its gpl, gfdl i still have to get permission of sorts [08:07] yes [08:08] (i transformed it to docbook already but haven't uploaded for obvious reasons) [08:08] we can use it, but it without copyright holder permission to relicense, we must keep the original license [08:09] This is why I have asked Chua for permission to relicense [08:09] he has agreed to this [08:09] i hope he knew what it meant [08:09] so there are no more lic issues on FAQGuide [08:09] See the list [08:11] Hmm, are messages going through to the list? [08:12] http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2005-June/002436.html [08:12] 3 messages, 2 from you and from from him. Are these the only ones? [08:13] Hmm, perhaps ther eis some holdup enroute to co.za [08:13] thanks robitaille [08:14] new matter, I have not heard from Hendrik with regard to help.ubuntu.com and docteam.ubuntu.com [08:14] hmmm that google bounty was spot-on with our lenya plans [08:14] yes, I have the solution, I just dont think they will accept a java based solution [08:15] whatever they decide perhaps we can use the same solution they will use [08:15] i never thought it would be an impediment [08:15] (java that is) [08:15] shouldn't be [08:15] but people are funny [08:15] jsgotangco: did they guy on kubuntu guide get back to you? [08:16] venda, you should shoot me for i haven't even emailed him yet [08:16] (i will though now) [08:16] No no I will do it now [08:16] ok sorry about that [08:25] umm venda i just sent him an email [08:26] oh well now he has two requests :-) [08:27] thanks jsgotangco [08:27] ppl we have the outline of our styleguide in svn [08:27] would be cool if people have ideas/preferences that they should work on it [08:30] ill hack on it later [08:30] i've been playing around with hoary as a server [08:30] i think its time to create a server guide too [08:30] ours is currently empty/non-existent [08:30] that should be in the admin guide :-) [08:31] venda, its not that much either [08:31] yes, but we have too much to focus on [08:31] ill just hack it up a bit [08:31] sure, it s open [08:31] i've already have 10 pages of notes in my hipster pda [08:31] who knows we may release one by brezzy [08:31] he he [08:33] ok must go get dressed [08:33] and start work [08:33] you shouldnt really chat in your boxers [08:34] why not? [08:34] and who said I am wearing boxers [08:34] or chat naked even === venda notes jsgotangco has a vivid imagination [08:35] It's going into winter here [08:35] so no way I can do either of the above [08:35] hmm winter [08:35] yes, it does get cold in johannesburg :-) [08:35] and the rainy season is almost here [08:35] brrr [08:35] we have our rain in the summer [08:36] rain in summer? [08:36] summer here is like 35C [08:36] Hmmm my kinda place [08:37] hot hot hot [08:37] hot is not so bad but humidity is bad bad bad [08:37] hot slippery nights :-) yes [08:37] gyah [08:37] Slip-sliding away ... [08:38] Ok c ya === venda [~sean@ndn-165-138-57.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] === abelli [[U2FsdGVkX@81d7bed8371a1327.session.tor] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:33] salut === froud-away is now known as froud [09:33] salut === froud is dressed now so it is safe to speak :-) [09:34] you can bug Burgundavia now [09:34] about what? [09:35] docteam work heh [09:38] froud: hi [09:38] hi [09:38] froud: Did you ever send me that email? [09:38] no [09:38] froud: ok [09:39] :) [09:40] mvirkkil: other than the talk we had on channel I did not hae anything new [09:40] froud: I'd still like info about the gpg keys and other info I need to send to someone to get svn access. [09:41] Oh right [09:41] just make yourself some pgp keys and send the public one to elmo [09:41] yeah [09:41] elmo? [09:41] james troup [09:41] jsgotangco: you got his email? [09:41] hold on [09:42] elmo takes care of canonical servers === froud ticles Burgundavia to do the same [09:43] james@nocrew.org [09:43] Ok, so I send elmo my gpg public key. Any other info? [09:44] when elmo respons, he'll send your svn account [09:44] oh [09:44] send your preferred username [09:44] ok. I have no imagination so it's mvirkkil [09:44] :) [09:45] heh [09:45] i have this wordpress fetish lately [09:45] wordpress [09:45] you dont like it? [09:46] URL know nothing of it [09:47] The OpenDocument specd is 700+ pages. Makes docbook seem simple. [09:47] www.wordpress.org its nothing special, just a popular blog tool [09:47] mvirkkil: URL [09:47] jsgotangco: I dont blog [09:47] http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/12572/OpenDocument-v1.0-os.pdf [09:48] froud, i dont either but i just use it for simple publishing [09:49] jsgotangco: elitejournal is even better .. its ruby. [09:49] mvirkkil: whew its a big one [09:50] froud: Agreed. [09:50] abelli, will look i know nothing about ruby though [09:50] mvirkkil: Oh dude OpenDocument is hectic sh1t [09:51] jsgotangco: bad bad bad daniel san. [09:51] froud: did you study in Oxford? [09:51] what subject? literature? [09:51] I'll stay with Docbook for now, but I am also playing with DITA [09:51] Oxford no [09:51] froud: It's xml, which is nice and easy to parse. [09:51] yes, but the syntax [09:51] froud: But a bitch when it comes to accessing. [09:52] try XPath that [09:52] froud: Like optimizing accesses of a large document is a pain, since it' [09:52] it's basically random access, and disk io is _slow_ [09:52] froud: I mean accessing on a lower level. [09:53] mvirkkil: how low - DOM [09:53] froud: xpath basically requires the whole thing to be in memory, which can be costly with documents that include others with xinclude. [09:53] yep [09:54] froud: I'm talking about basically if I have a path to an element I need to load the whole freaking document to get to it. [09:54] of course using pull parsers and sax alleviates the problem, but you don't get the dom niceness [09:55] and then string parsing (which xml is like all about) is slow... [09:55] agreed [09:55] but then I dont think it was designed with that in mind [09:56] the "binary" xml sounds nice because of the speed stuff. Making something that will easily be translated to xml and back to binary, will be fast to access and small compared to xml documents, but yet easy to create parsers for and easy to make human readable... [09:57] currently OpenDocument just compresses the whole thing, so loading and saving is slow. Binary xml would make that fast(er). [09:57] yes speed is good and so is the round trip [09:57] But people cringe when they hear about binary formats. [09:57] but I would stll like it open in xml [09:57] Yeah, that would be possible. [09:58] morn [09:58] the idea is that binary xml (i'll call it bxml) would have standard tools for convertnig back and forth to riginal regular xml. [09:58] mdke: i [09:58] mdke: hi, even [09:59] hiya [10:00] froud: http://www.w3.org/XML/Binary/ [10:01] froud: But I'm not holding my breath. [10:03] froud, good news on the ubuntuguide [10:03] nice work [10:07] mdke, hello [10:08] heya dude === abelli [~john@9fefdbd0c0f1bc2b.session.tor] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:08] i had a date with this nice singaporean [10:08] i mean dinner [10:08] eh? [10:08] aren't you married [10:08] i am [10:09] jsgotangco: fan"tit"astic .. [10:09] this man has style. === mdke nods [10:09] it was potential business [10:10] obviously .. you did it for the Mankind . [10:10] we all know this. [10:10] hah [10:10] s/the// [10:10] i heard italians fare better :P [10:10] mdke: it's your turn .. [10:10] please help!. [10:10] abelli, *grins* [10:11] i wish someone would ask me [10:11] i had this friend that was constantly harrassed by italian men when she stayed in florence for business === mdke nods [10:11] glad to be a man [10:11] 2nd day and they proposed to her [10:11] heh [10:12] italians are dangerous [10:12] she must be attractive .. [10:12] *looks at abelli* [10:12] abelli, she is [10:12] i've noticed that italian girls really know how to handle men [10:12] jsgotangco: HELO jsgotangco [10:12] HAHA [10:12] jsgotangco: Rtrv singaporean's mobile [10:12] mdke, you should have told me that years ago [10:13] jsgotangco, in the sense of defending themselves ;) [10:13] ouch [10:13] jsgotangco: waiting for incoming connection.. [10:13] abelli, go here or somewhere in thailand, you'll surely score [10:13] thai girls are really good lookin [10:13] jsgotangco: thailiand is something infamous .. [10:13] mdke, make sure they are girls === mdke nods [10:14] always double check [10:14] i almost got duped baack then [10:14] *laughs* [10:14] jsgotangco: the english geezer inside matt is wrestling to pop out.. [10:14] you've certainly been around [10:15] don't supress the force heh [10:15] english girls .. expecially mixes like (spanish, english) .. or (asian, english) .. [10:15] well .. then here they come .. Essex Girls .. [10:16] famous all over the world .. for their devotion to charity. [10:16] eh? [10:16] you sure they're not nuns [10:16] being stationed in rome [10:16] they are easy ladies [10:16] thats the stereotype anyway [10:16] hmm [10:16] ive missed a lot then [10:17] mdke, you taking up law right [10:17] and an italian girl too. [10:18] oh i see yo have an italian job as well [10:18] well that one has already been taken up. [10:18] law yeah [10:18] sadly i don't have an italian job yet [10:18] mdke, what you planning to specialize? [10:19] well next year i will be doing commercial law [10:19] maybe some european law i hope [10:19] after that, who knows [10:19] i heard immigration lawyers earn a lot (dunno if its shady though) [10:19] caffe' nero in High Gate. [10:20] hmm [10:20] immigration is not famous for the cash [10:20] [Matt in 2 yrs time] : <> [10:20] *laughs* [10:20] i'll be in cafe nero, roma === mdke crosses fingers [10:21] whats famous for the cash? [10:21] mdke: yes good news, lets hope its the same for kubuntu [10:21] businesses in thai. [10:21] froud: .. please. [10:21] abelli: please ... what? [10:22] froud, i wanted to say, those emails were phrases exactly right [10:22] .. u were supposed to use SUSE .. [10:22] the benfit of being a writer [10:22] phrases/phrased [10:22] abelli: I still do I am on SuSE now [10:22] pah [10:22] suse shmuse [10:22] mdke: attack. [10:22] but I also have Unbuntu and Kubuntu === mdke nods [10:23] i'll take the left flank [10:23] mdke: dehihio .. [10:23] in fact Kubuntu runs on my lap top [10:23] mdke, what are you talkinb about [10:23] froud, its too late now to try and make excuses [10:23] jsgotangco, when? [10:23] the phrases [10:23] SuSE rocks dude [10:24] i've heard that [10:24] froud dont keep your lap top on top_of_your_lap becauses it might give you problem with fertility. [10:24] but its not free [10:24] abelli, heat hehehe [10:24] abelli, he already has kids, he may not want more [10:24] jsgotangco, frouds emails to the guide authors [10:24] i felt they were very tactful [10:24] abelli: I dont mind, I already have three children :-) [10:24] i'd like 10 kids if i can afford to [10:24] Burgundavia: you've never seen his Lady. [10:25] (my grandmother had 12) [10:25] out the stretch marks [10:25] froud, in the page, is that your wife? [10:25] yes [10:25] WOW [10:26] thanks, I think so too [10:26] pity she married an ugly gitlike me hehe [10:26] url immediately [10:26] jsgotangco: it's an order :) [10:26] i dunno about the wardrobe though [10:26] (is that some sort of traditional joburg dress) [10:27] http://www.inwords.co.za/management.html === mdke whistles [10:27] why leather jacket with yellow shawl [10:27] oh its a shawl [10:28] OK I must get back to work === froud is now known as froud-away [10:28] froud: when did you change the website? [10:28] froud-away: ^^ [10:29] a few weeks back edits etc welcome [10:29] ok ciao. [10:29] mdke, show me pics of your italian friends [10:29] heh [10:30] hmm [10:30] tricky one [10:30] ok i'll just google matthew east and see [10:31] jsgotangco: deep throath producer. [10:31] haha [10:31] i don't have many good ones [10:32] hmm at least the Matthew East I know is 2nd entry in google [10:32] http://mdke.mine.nu/images/Venezia/IMAG0052.jpg [10:32] rock [10:32] 2nd? [10:32] 3rd [10:32] not bad [10:32] 2nd not bad hehehe its Ubuntu even [10:33] the first one is a news reporter heh [10:33] http://mdke.mine.nu/images/Venezia/IMAG0026.jpg [10:33] that is my gf and her sister with her husband [10:35] hmm [10:35] jsgotangco: where's your asian pearl. [10:35] good point [10:35] ..Perl. [10:36] hmmm [10:36] i dont post pics that much [10:36] hmm [10:36] that can be arranged [10:38] in how many man-years? [10:39] haha hold on [10:39] i got some pics at flickr [10:41] http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/5166461/in/set-367801/ [10:41] thats my wife and child [10:42] can anyone remember the url for chris haas's site? [10:42] aw they are gorgeous [10:42] workaroun.org? [10:42] *d [10:42] abelli, nice one [10:43] my wife used to be a shampoo model [10:43] well have to wait a little for gotango junior [10:43] kids are expensive [10:43] a sparc even more .. [10:44] abelli, bingo, thanks [10:44] sparcs are ok but kids are pretty unstable [10:44] my god [10:44] your daughter is so cute its unbelievable [10:44] congrats [10:44] mdke: hey .. slow down .. [10:45] heh, yeah a lot of people say that [10:45] let me upload another one [10:45] <-- shower [10:47] mdke: buona doccia, non intasare i tubi. [10:47] mdke: are you in england? [10:47] bah kids [10:48] mdke: have you got a bidet in your bathroom? [10:49] Burgundavia: everyone is/has been a kid .. and has a kiddish part. [10:49] http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/ [10:49] http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/17037106/ [10:50] which one is you .. [10:51] and who is that blue-shirted Perl of the pacific? [10:51] jsgotangco: ^^ [10:51] hahaha [10:51] the italian way of describint [10:52] abelli, right, I just don't want any [10:53] abelli, i hope you're not talking about the guy in blue [10:54] jsgotangco: not .. just a little on the right. [10:54] that's anna [10:55] abelli, no bidet [10:56] = england [10:56] jsgotangco: that's .. good. [10:56] mdke: no bidet, no civilization. [10:56] that is true to a certain extent [10:56] when I get a house, it will have one === jsgotangco wonders where are his girl friends pics [10:57] mdke: have you seen anna? [10:57] yeah [10:57] which is jsgotangco [10:57] the one in yellow [10:57] :D [10:58] thank god [10:58] what were you expecting :P [10:58] hehe [10:58] if it had been that lady in the middle in red i would have been surprised [10:58] hmm let me post some skin [10:59] hahaha [10:59] is that your family? [10:59] lots of women [10:59] no just friends of my wife [10:59] let me post this basketball team at work [10:59] hehe [11:01] mdke: if romans said "hic sunt barbares" while in africa they just said "hic sunt leones" there must be a reason. [11:02] my girlfriend says things like that [11:02] damn italians [11:02] http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/17038249/ [11:02] always giving it the "we're roman, we're cultured" chat [11:02] WHOA [11:03] whoa? [11:03] gimme a p gimme a t gimme a t gimme a j and gimme those girls .. [11:03] PTPJ [11:07] hmm it seems ive lost some photos [11:07] (those were very good ones) [11:08] gtg [11:08] catch you all later [11:08] mdke: that's not completely true that italians are all cultured .. normans have been around for some time .. and [11:08] later [11:08] and they left some signs .. [11:08] mdke: ciao. [11:10] what does hic sunt leones mean [11:10] hic := here [11:10] sunt := are [11:10]