[12:03] <\sh> genubuntu -> world compile with -O99 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -sse -mmx -sse99
[12:03] <ajmitch> \sh: what, no -ffast-math -sse3 ? :)
[12:03] <\sh> oh thx i forgot ;)
[12:04] <dholbach> siretart: this is funny: doko maintains the package, keybuk "fixed it" and you uploaded it :)
[12:04] <dholbach> THAT's collaboration
[12:04] <ajmitch> dholbach: well MOM fixed it, really :)
[12:05] <dholbach> ajmitch: and that's not even appropriate :)
[12:05] <siretart> dholbach: did I do something wrong? (just want do be sure that I didn't do something really stupid)
[12:06] <dholbach> siretart: perfectly alright
[12:06] <ajmitch> hopefully not.. as long as you followed the report
[12:06] <siretart> puh!
[12:06] <ajmitch> sometimes you have to build with -sa, other times not
[12:06] <siretart> I was irritiated that I didn't get any mail
[12:07] <dholbach> ajmitch: just when you have new upstream version
[12:08] <ajmitch> yep
[12:08] <ajmitch> I've got a stack of merges to get back to, I think :)
[12:08] <tseng> hi
[12:09] <ajmitch> hello tseng
[12:09] <\sh> ubuntu debootstrap can do also a debian unstable chroot?
[12:10] <elmo> yes
[12:10] <\sh> good...so i can prepare some new packages for debian, ajmitch can review and sponsor an upload ,-)
[12:10] <\sh> so we can resync them into ubuntu ;)
[12:11] <ajmitch> I can try & get them in - wait until sarge is released & etch is open
[12:11] <ajmitch> otherwise I'd probably get smacked by debian people ;)
[12:11] <dholbach> :)
[12:11] <tseng> meebey got mono in :)
[12:11] <ajmitch> experimental or sid?
[12:11] <tseng> sid
[12:12] <siretart> sid
[12:12] <siretart> :)
[12:12] <ajmitch> right, there wouldn't have been NEW processing then
[12:12] <\sh> argl
[12:12] <\sh> findlib is not build
[12:12] <\sh> fck
[12:12] <ajmitch> ftpmasters would possibly ignore my upload until post-sarge anyway
[12:13] <siretart> ajmitch: do you think this weekend is still realistic? ;)
[12:13] <\sh> Purging configuration files for xorg-common ...
[12:13] <\sh>  Removing any system startup links for /etc/init.d/xorg-common ...
[12:13] <\sh>    /etc/rcS.d/S70xorg-common
[12:13] <tseng> hrm well mono wasnt in sarge
[12:13] <\sh> dpkg - warning: while removing xorg-common, directory `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11' not empty so not removed.
[12:13] <tseng> so it might not be frozen
[12:14] <siretart> well, ok, thats highly offtopic here in this context..
[12:15] <dholbach> ajmitch: do you read debian-devel?
[12:15] <ajmitch> dholbach: sometimes..
[12:15] <tseng> siretart: debian development is off topic here?
[12:16] <dholbach> the thread that was kicked off about wifi-radar in ubuntu was very interesting
[12:16] <ajmitch> usuually just debian-devel-announce
[12:16] <dholbach> "Is Ubuntu a fork" or something
[12:16] <ajmitch> the fun threads
[12:16] <dholbach> there were much less anti-ubuntu sentiments than i expected
[12:17] <plugwash> from what i can gather ubuntu is less of a fork and more of an alternate release process
[12:17] <dholbach> once we got teams cracking on stuff, we should announce them on debian-devel as well
[12:17] <ajmitch> I resort mostly to gmane now for reading the lists
[12:18] <dholbach> i subscribed to it
[12:18] <dholbach> since this thread was really exciting
[12:18] <siretart> plugwash: and a completly different development process
[12:18] <dholbach> for the debian-ubuntu future :)
[12:18] <siretart> dholbach: absolutly!
[12:18] <dholbach> i really think we should sink our teeth in there to make sure history is to be made :)
[12:19] <ajmitch> certainly
[12:19] <ajmitch> haha
[12:19] <ajmitch> "It's a spoon."
[12:20] <\sh> "there is no spoon" ;)
[12:20] <siretart> lol
[12:20] <tseng> i dont think the rest of you really work like I do
[12:20] <ajmitch> tseng: no, we're not nearly as 1337 as you
[12:20] <tseng> i spend more time communicating with debian and upstream then I do touching packages
[12:20] <ajmitch> we don't do so much packaging of new stuff
[12:20] <\sh> tseng: thx for ur effords ;)
[12:20] <tseng> im not going to force that on anyone
[12:20] <tseng> but.. i think its a good idea
[12:21] <ajmitch> different things are needed in different areas
[12:21] <dholbach> it absolutely is
[12:21] <tseng> i mean i wouldnt expect dholbach to do it the same as me
[12:21] <tseng> he touches every package he can find
[12:21] <dholbach> not really
[12:21] <\sh> grmpfumasdasjdh
[12:21] <tseng> but if you work in a specific area..
[12:21] <dholbach> yeah... TEAMS!
[12:21] <tseng> yes
[12:22] <dholbach> atm i just touch my thesis stuff... :/
[12:22] <tseng> the gnome motu team should be best friends with debian gnome
[12:22] <tseng> and gnome.org
[12:22] <dholbach> yeah
[12:22] <ajmitch> seb does gnome packages for debian, too
[12:22] <tseng> yes
[12:22] <dholbach> i'll be off to bed now
[12:22] <ajmitch> so he's been the main contact for both, I think
[12:22] <ajmitch> night dholbach
[12:22] <dholbach> good night
[12:22] <ogra> \sh, use some real chat software....
[12:22] <ajmitch> but one thing that is consistently raised is that we have to feed bugs back to debian
[12:23] <\sh> ogra: i don't use gaim ;)
[12:23] <ogra> \sh, Konversation terminates all the time
[12:23] <\sh> gaim is for college girls
[12:23] <ogra> take xchat
[12:23] <tseng> ogra: remind me why we have this patch in tomboy?
[12:23] <\sh> no :) i just hit some buttons while i was writing
[12:23] <tseng> ogra: dajobe doesnt like it.
[12:23] <ogra> \sh, so you dont want to meet college girls ?
[12:23] <ogra> tseng, which one ?
[12:24] <\sh> ogra: too young...too loud for an old fart like me
[12:24] <tseng> ogra: you added a patch
[12:24] <ogra> feel free to drop it
[12:25] <tseng> where is the patches page?
[12:25] <\sh> *note* i have to send a patch to debian and upstream for arkrpg */note*
[12:25] <tseng> thats where he found it
[12:26] <ogra> tseng, ???
[12:26] <\sh> ok gentlemen
[12:26] <ogra> tseng, which patches page ?
[12:26] <tseng> the one where we diff w/ debian
[12:26] <tseng> and give patches
[12:26] <\sh> don't fix breezy :)
[12:26] <ogra> MOM ?
[12:26] <ogra> hmm
[12:26] <tseng> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/tomboy/
[12:26] <tseng> this.
[12:27] <tseng> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/tomboy/tomboy_0.3.2-4ubuntu5_unknown.patch
[12:27] <ajmitch_> sigh, irssi, doesn't want to play nice again today :)
[12:27] <tseng> and that :)
[12:27] <tseng> is the patch in question
[12:28] <Nafallo> *unknown.patch ;-)
[12:28] <\sh> chmod 0000 *hidden.patch ;)
[12:28] <\sh> night all :)
[12:29] <ogra> tseng, because it didnt work without the patch
[12:29] <tseng> can you explain breifly what it actually does?
[12:29] <ogra> tseng, revert it
[12:29] <tseng> heh i wont revert it if it doesnt work w/o it
[12:29] <tseng> i just need to justify it to dajobe before he merges it in debian
[12:29] <ogra> tseng, tomboy didnt start with an error that m is not defined
[12:29] <ogra> in the line in question
[12:30] <tseng> oh.
[12:30] <Nafallo> *proper.patch :-)
[12:30] <Nafallo> baah. to much p2p for me :-P
[12:30] <ogra> tseng, and the line if (q == null) { somehow implied that it should be } else if (q != null) {
[12:31] <tseng> it should just be else
[12:31] <tseng> i imagine
[12:31] <ogra> it was a shot in the dark that worked, i'm not after keeping it if its wrong :)
[12:32] <ogra> yeah, else is the right way
[12:32] <ajmitch_> I'd assume that is it was if (q==null) then the second if being q would be redundant
[12:32] <tseng> yes
[12:33] <ogra> yop
[12:33] <tseng> ill confirm the bug again
[12:33] <tseng> and then try to fix it with an else
[12:33] <ogra> it was at some inhuman hour in the morning when i made the patch
[12:34] <ajmitch_> caffiene underdose?
[12:34] <tseng> was it only failing on amd64?
[12:37] <tseng> arg ill look at it later
[12:39] <ogra> tseng, ^^^^
[12:39] <ogra> tseng, tomboy didnt start with an error that m is not defined
[12:39] <ajmitch> but m is referenced on the next line?
[12:39] <ogra> thats not amd64 spwcific
[12:40] <ogra> yep
[12:41] <tseng> yeah..
[12:41] <tseng> he probably didnt see it on mono 1.
[12:41] <tseng> 1.0
[12:41] <tseng> i dunno
[12:41] <ogra> else is just the right fix
[12:41] <tseng> no it needs to check for m
[12:42] <tseng> because it calls m next line
[12:42] <tseng> yes?
[12:42] <ogra> it doesnt in my patch...
[12:42] <tseng> how can m fail to be !null
[12:42] <tseng> and then get an object reference in the next line
[12:42] <ogra> but works with my patch... which is redundant...
[12:43] <tseng> i dont see why though :P
[12:43] <tseng> its kind of voodoo
[12:44] <tseng> ajmitch: update easytag please :P
[12:46] <tseng> gar xbase-clients
[12:46] <ajmitch_> tseng: ?
[12:46] <tseng> ajmitch_: cxx
[12:46] <ajmitch_> k
[12:46] <tseng> whats the lib
[12:47] <tseng> libid3-3.8.3c2
[12:47] <tseng> it wants to be built with that, i think
[12:47] <tseng> im not entirely sure what the cxx plan is all about
[12:47] <ajmitch_> if it doesn't supply a lib, it'll get rebuilt once libs are done
[12:48] <ajmitch_> since it'll be in the blacklist of affected c++ apps
[12:48] <tseng> oh ok.
[12:48] <ogra> bye guys
[12:48] <ajmitch_> libid3 is in main, and already done
[12:48] <tseng> bye ogra.
[12:49] <ajmitch_> bye ogra
[12:50] <Mithrandir> has anybody packaged the RHDS yet?
[12:50] <tseng> redhat destkop slowness?
[12:50] <Mithrandir> directory server
[12:50] <tseng> ah.
[12:51] <Nafallo> bye ogra
[01:10] <tseng> ajmitch: what do you normally do to "syncronize with debian"
[01:10] <tseng> ajmitch: i think i am probably doing it the hard way
[01:11] <ajmitch> no, I think you're probably doing it properly
[01:12] <ajmitch> I haven't been communicating with debian nearly as much as I should have
[01:12] <tseng> i mean the technical process
[01:12] <tseng> i normally do svn up in package mono and look at changed files since the last i looked
[01:12] <tseng> and copy changes by hand
[01:13] <tseng> i envision you other guys doing some fancy crap with debdiff (which ive never used)
[01:13] <ajmitch> debdiff on the .dsc files to get the diff between the trees
[01:14] <ajmitch> I use MOM to get the debdiffs, too
[01:14] <tseng> hm
[01:14] <tseng> well i do stuff before its actually uploaded
[01:14] <tseng> *G*
[01:15] <ajmitch> since a lot of stuff I'd do would be just checking merges, making sure that what I do doesn't conflict..
[01:15] <tseng> im just that slick
[01:15] <ajmitch> heh :)
[01:15] <ajmitch> I don't deal with debian's unreleased stuff yet, unless it's my own :)
[01:15] <ajmitch> and I should be moving to bazaar for that
[01:15] <tseng> oh if im not bleeding
[01:15] <tseng> its no good
[01:16] <ajmitch> pnet might actually have a new release in a week or so
[01:16] <tseng> i feed on crack.
[01:16] <ajmitch> so I'll update that, of course
[01:17] <ajmitch> it probably still won't run most apps that we care about
[01:17] <tseng> yeah im not sure why we are bothing to genericize cli stuff
[01:17] <tseng> when nothing works outside of mono
[01:18] <tseng> maybe someday..
[01:18] <ajmitch> I might throw in a patch to try & use mono crack from its GAC
[01:19] <ajmitch> it'll just require me to figure out the version hasking used, should be trivial enough
[01:19] <tseng> man im starving
[01:19] <tseng> this might be another no-upload night
[01:20] <ajmitch> I haven't uploaded for weeks
[01:20] <Nafallo> tseng: fetch an amd64 and get hacking ;-)
[01:40] <Mez> can anyone help me with using the wiki - /query please
[02:22] <Unfrgiven> morning all
[02:22] <Unfrgiven> doko_: ping?
[02:45] <tseng> morning Unfrgiven
[02:49] <Unfrgiven> tseng: morning :)
[02:49] <Unfrgiven> tseng: how are things at your end?
[02:52] <tseng> good thanks
[02:52] <tseng> whats up
[02:52] <tseng> oh man the dog made me go running
[02:52] <tseng> im beat.
[02:52] <Unfrgiven> i had a question regarding the c++ transition and shlibs
[02:52] <tseng> ok, ajmitch can answer better than me
[02:52] <tseng> i only touch mono crack
[02:52] <Unfrgiven> ok ill wait for his return
[03:02] <ajmitch> hi Unfrgiven
[03:08] <ivoks> hello
[03:26] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: hy
[03:26] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: hi
[03:28] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: i just uploaded a new patch with the fixes you and doko suggested. i wasn't too sure what to do with shlibs but I think i've got it right now. you able to have a quick look? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11371
[03:29] <ivoks> ok... serpentine looks really nice
[03:29] <tseng> yes.
[03:29] <ivoks> yes? :)
[03:29] <tseng> it looks nice.
[03:30] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: I might take a look in a bit, I'm at work
[03:30] <ivoks> did someone allready package it?
[03:30] <ajmitch> ivoks: yes, it should be in main
[03:30] <tseng> ogra looked at it
[03:30] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: ok no probs. thanks :)
[03:30] <ivoks> ok
[03:31] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: looks better
[03:32] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: :)
[03:36] <ivoks> looks good
[03:46] <ivoks> ok, so I could try to upload my first package? :)
[03:47] <ajmitch> ivoks: if you want
[03:48] <ivoks> wifi-radar for example :)
[03:48] <ajmitch> hmm :)
[03:49] <ivoks> no? :)
[03:52] <ivoks> yuhu!
[03:52] <ivoks> how, i guess it's up
[03:52] <ivoks> Successfully uploaded packages.
[03:53] <crimsun_> you should get an email from katie
[03:53] <ivoks> ok
[03:54] <ivoks> no, no email from katie :)
[03:54] <crimsun_> it runs every 5 minutes
[03:54] <crimsun_> :00, :05, :10, ...
[03:54] <ivoks> i guess my email isn't whitelisted yet
[03:54] <ivoks> oh, i'll check then later :) or... now :)
[03:56] <ivoks> nothing :(
[03:56] <ivoks> once i'm able to upload, i shouldn't upload .deb, right?
[03:57] <crimsun_> correct, only source uploads
[03:57] <crimsun_> you only upload diff.gz + dsc usually
[03:57] <ivoks> ok
[03:57] <ivoks> changes?
[03:57] <crimsun_> (yes, changes, too)
[03:57] <ivoks> ok
[03:58] <ajmitch> yes, .changes is definitely required
[03:58] <ajmitch> ivoks: what are you using to upload?
[03:58] <ivoks> dput
[03:58] <ajmitch> dput is configured for ubuntu?
[03:58] <ivoks> yes
[03:59] <ivoks> dput ubuntu ....changes
[03:59] <ajmitch> ok, so you'd do something like 'dput ubuntu package_version_source.changes'
[03:59] <ivoks> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Uploads
[03:59] <ivoks> yes
[03:59] <ajmitch> right
[03:59] <ajmitch> I haven't seen it on the changes list yet, but that could just be slow
[03:59] <ivoks> ajmitch: i guess my mail isn't whitelisted
[04:08] <ivoks> time to get some sleep
[04:09] <ivoks> bye
[04:40] <enodev> motu? whats this about??
[04:40] <ajmitch> masters of the universe
[04:40] <enodev> who are the masters=
[04:40] <enodev> ?
[04:40] <ajmitch> wiki.ubuntulinux.org/MOTU
[04:40] <enodev> yaeh alright i know the topic and the wiki
[04:41] <enodev> thought about some personal responses
[04:41] <ajmitch> good :)
[04:41] <enodev> =) the masters speakin to me....
[04:41] <ajmitch> we work on universe packages..
[04:41] <ajmitch> a fairly big area, of course
[04:41] <crimsun_> when we're not working on universe packages, we're stuffing monkey brains into burlap sacks and selling them on the market
[04:42] <enodev> and quite off the ubuntu idea?
[04:42] <enodev> the market...
[04:42] <enodev> ubuntu says universe is baaaad
[04:42] <enodev> sorry for my simple arguments =)
[04:44] <enodev> well i admid i lied about reading the wike... but motu makes sense to me now. i myself get most off the universe#
[04:44] <ajmitch> ubuntu doesn't say universe is bad
[04:44] <ajmitch> it's just not officially supported
[04:44] <enodev> but it doesnt really recommend it
[04:44] <ajmitch> which is why the MOTUs work on it
[04:45] <enodev> are u a *MAINTANER* ?
[04:45] <enodev> xcuse my spellin
[04:45] <ajmitch> I'm a MOTU, but I don't work on packages in main yet
[04:46] <enodev> i always thought universe was not part of the main stuff coz it lacked some ideas.. u know?
[04:46] <enodev> they make quite good statements why what is in the main  trunk?
[04:46] <ajmitch> ideas?
[04:47] <ajmitch> main is what is officially supported for security & the like, by canonical
[04:47] <enodev> its more than just security
[04:47] <enodev> its the idea - as of what i have understood - about ubuntu
[04:48] <enodev> free to all
[04:48] <ajmitch> yes, and that's common across everything..
[04:49] <enodev> in one part its what i like ubuntu for
[04:50] <enodev> its meant to be for everyone
[04:50] <enodev> and if theres something that doesnt fit to all it be in  universe
[04:51] <ajmitch> no, universe isn't like that
[04:51] <enodev> but still available to thoose who re already "enlightened"
[04:51] <enodev> i see ubuntu as desktop thing for me and my mom
[04:51] <ajmitch> universe is those packages that aren't part of the core distro, they're freely available to download for all
[04:51] <enodev> not for all
[04:52] <enodev> not all know how to add the sources.list to universe
[04:52] <ajmitch> it's not terribly hard
[04:53] <enodev> i know
[04:53] <enodev> but most dont
[04:53] <enodev> ive read an interesting article - a review
[04:54] <enodev> done by a windows user who had never touched linux so far
[04:54] <enodev> and all the hype about ubntu just vansihed
[04:54] <enodev> cause she didnt have all she wanted for a desktop os
[04:54] <enodev> ubuntu is great!
[04:55] <enodev> im here to tell it
[04:55] <enodev> but the simple desktop user doesnt get it
[04:55] <enodev> they dotn get as far as to the universe
[04:55] <enodev> .... until some one tells them about the masters :)
[04:57] <enodev> but i dont wanna talk about ubuntu. we know its cool. anyway
[04:57] <enodev> what the motu do?
[04:57] <enodev> *what do
[04:57] <enodev> are doing?
[04:57] <enodev> are going to do?
[04:58] <enodev> i dont know any of you
[04:58] <enodev> although ive installed alot off the universe
[04:58] <enodev> ..perhaps most
[04:59] <enodev> i remember the debian people complain
[05:00] <enodev> we're just taking from them
[05:00] <enodev> makin it impossible t give something back
[05:00] <whiprush> that's not true.
[05:00] <whiprush> patches are fed back.
[05:00] <whiprush> wether they're applied is another thing entirely.
[05:01] <enodev> yeah but debain people say ubuntu is changin too much
[05:01] <enodev> makin it impossoble to merge patches
[05:01] <enodev> i dont know ive looked in to it
[05:01] <enodev> ive never
[05:02] <enodev> sorry about missin words. it keeps happening
[05:03] <enodev> how much is ubuntu a cult makin people believe whats said?
[05:03] <enodev> am i totally off?
[05:03] <whiprush> You need to be a cult to be nice to people. :)
[05:04] <whiprush> er, you don't need.
[05:04] <enodev> i found myself praising ubuntu without knowing really much....
[05:04] <enodev> i like ubuntu very much. i see a very important future
[05:06] <enodev> i wonder how many windows user are in this channel
[05:09] <ajmitch> probably not so many, this is usually a devel channel
[05:09] <ajmitch> bbl
[05:09] <enodev> so the masters are all developers?
[05:10] <whiprush> mostly
[05:18] <enodev> is it hard to put something nice into universe?
[05:29] <chillywilly> anyone here ever use openvpn - http://openvpn.net?
[05:44] <ajmitch> can't say I have
[08:11] <ivoks> morning
[09:53] <ivoks> noone? :)
[09:54] <ivoks> no one even
[09:54] <Treenaks> nobody
[09:55] <ivoks> hehe
[09:56] <ivoks> netherland?
[09:56] <Treenaks> ivoks: why?
[09:57] <ivoks> 62,8%
[09:57] <ivoks> that's huge...
[09:57] <Treenaks> yes
[09:58] <ivoks> so, will parliament accept that or will they vote?
[09:59] <Treenaks> The cabinet will retract the proposal
[09:59] <ivoks> that's reasonable...
[09:59] <ivoks> \sh: morning
[10:00] <\sh> morning
[10:00] <\sh> anyone with a laptop here?
[10:00] <Treenaks> lots of the "no" voters said: "We don't dislike Europe, we just dislike this particular 'constitution' for it"
[10:00] <Treenaks> \sh: at home
[10:00] <\sh> i have some serious problems with powernowd
[10:00] <ivoks> Treenaks: i tought so... EU is fine, but constitution needs patches :)
[10:01] <Treenaks> ivoks: exactly
[10:01] <ivoks> powernowd?
[10:01] <ivoks> don't use that...
[10:01] <ivoks> wait... i do :)
[10:01] <Treenaks> ivoks: FULL POWER ALL THE TIME
[10:01] <Treenaks> ivoks: uh.. wait
[10:01] <\sh> so i can disable powernowd from the runlevels?
[10:02] <ivoks> why not?
[10:02] <ivoks> \sh: what's wrong?
[10:02] <\sh> when it's fireing up, it puts my centrino cpu into 500mhz mode
[10:02] <ivoks> heh
[10:02] <ivoks> \sh: is it on battery?
[10:03] <\sh> no :)
[10:03] <ivoks> strange
[10:03] <ivoks> \sh: are you sure?
[10:03] <\sh> hmm...there is a cable going to the powerplug
[10:03] <\sh> yeah i'm sure
[10:03] <ivoks> cause, it starts at maximun, then drops when booting stops
[10:04] <\sh> ivoks: yeah, but it's not going up again
[10:04] <ivoks> mine is now @600
[10:04] <ivoks> \sh: kernel change? :)
[10:04] <\sh> standard ubuntu i686 kernel
[10:04] <ivoks> hm
[10:04] <\sh> ivoks: btw...ocaml-findlib is not compiling properly
[10:05] <\sh> i changed yesterday the deps for it
[10:05] <ivoks> \sh: ?
[10:05] <\sh> ivoks: your app...gdome2-cpp-smart0 or something uses it
[10:05] <ivoks> ?
[10:06] <ivoks> i don't have any app in ubuntu :(
[10:06] <ivoks> i'm still not a MOTU :((
[10:06] <\sh> ivoks: u r
[10:07] <\sh> ivoks: ping elmo ;)
[10:07] <\sh> ok...brb
[10:07] <ivoks> elmo: ping
[10:12] <ivoks> ok...
[10:14] <ivoks> i'm doing a big system for one large company in croatia
[10:14] <ivoks> it will be my first misson critical deployment on ubuntu :)
[10:20] <ivoks> wb doko
[11:39] <tseng> hi
[11:53] <\sh> re
[11:54] <\sh> bah...only because of my taxes i had to install windows xp
[11:55] <\sh> and because of an exchanged laptop mainboard the normal winxp install cd from hp is not working anymore :(
[12:43] <Unfrgiven> ogra: hi dude
[12:44] <Unfrgiven> doko: ping?
[12:44] <ogra> hey
[12:44] <Unfrgiven> ogra: thanks for your kind words in e-mail :)
[12:44] <ogra> :)
[12:45] <ajmitch> hi ogra, Unfrgiven
[12:46] <Unfrgiven> ogra: ajmitch: got a question... i was doing the transition for libflash... and it was proving to be a pain... then i checked upstream and they've had *two* new releases. so i pacakged the new version and transitioned it... so when i create a bug in bugzilla, which file(s) should I upload?
[12:46] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: hi
[12:53] <ogra> Unfrgiven, upstream = debian ?
[12:56] <ajmitch> hi Nafallo
[01:01] <Unfrgiven> ogra: upstream = software developers, not debian
[01:01] <Unfrgiven> ogra: debian is on the same version that we are
[01:01] <Unfrgiven> ogra: i took the debian package and grabbed the new source.... and massaged the debian/* files to update version
[01:01] <ogra> hmm
[01:03] <terrex>  Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks
[01:03] <terrex> hehehe
[01:03] <terrex> ;-)
[01:04] <terrex> X-DD
[01:04] <Treenaks> Nafallo: tomorrow
[01:04] <Unfrgiven> ogra: ?
[01:04] <ajmitch> until the right bits are built in main, don't complain :)
[01:05] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: be sure to provide an updated package back to debian :)
[01:05] <Nafallo> Treenaks: hehe
[01:06] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: i will. but what about upload to ubuntu? what should i do with it? should i attach the dsc, orig.tar.gz and diff.gz to the cxx transition bug?
[01:07] <ajmitch> it'll be a special case, I think
[01:07] <Unfrgiven> yep so i should attach it to the bug right?
[01:07] <ajmitch> the debdiff *may* include all you need
[01:08] <ajmitch> only if you wanted a huge attachment that would cause some of us to cry :)
[01:08] <Unfrgiven> i think its safer to upload the source pacakges to the bug rather than have an insane debdiff :)
[01:24] <\sh> Unfrgiven: did u do a uupdate with the new upstream source?
[01:27] <\sh> ubuntu reached lycos europe :)
[01:29] <Unfrgiven> \sh: nup.
[01:31] <\sh> *rotfl*
[01:31] <\sh> this is pure geek stuff from japan
[01:31] <\sh> http://www.thanko.jp/kinniku_mouse.html
[01:31] <\sh> Mouse with power shocks
[01:32] <ajmitch> haha
[01:38] <ivoks> hi
[01:41] <ivoks> elmo: ping
[01:41] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: hey
[01:41] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: wassup? :)
[01:49] <\sh> hey JohnDong
[01:49] <chmj> \sh, libcoin ?
[01:49] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: just saying hi :)
[01:50] <ivoks> \sh: hi
[01:50] <JohnDong> hey
[01:50] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: ok
[01:50] <JohnDong> just decided to drop in for a bit
[01:51] <JohnDong> had a FreeNX request, but ubuntu-devel is handling that well
[01:51] <\sh> chmj: is uploaded
[01:51] <chmj> built ?
[01:52] <\sh> chmj: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/c/coin2/2.3.0-1ubuntu1/
[01:58] <\sh> anybody familiar with ocaml?
[01:58] <ivoks> :(
[01:58] <\sh> ivoks: there should be an updated source package for ocaml-findlib
[01:58] <\sh> (findlib == source name of the package)
[01:59] <\sh> i adjusted the ocaml build deps...please have a look for the buildlogs from yesterday for this package. I think i missed some xorg build deps...can u check?
[01:59] <JohnDong> can we get Blender 2.37?
[02:00] <ivoks> \sh: sec...
[02:00] <Amaranth> JohnDong: Hi, I'll be playing ogra today. :) If you joined MOTU you could get us Blender 2.37 :)
[02:00] <ajmitch> any MOTUGames people around?
[02:00] <JohnDong> lol
[02:01] <ajmitch> ah, I see it's already listed on the page, nevermind :)
[02:01] <\sh> ajmitch: siretart ?
[02:01] <ajmitch> \sh: yeah, I wasn't sure if he was around
[02:01] <ivoks> \sh: i never worked with findlib...
[02:02] <\sh> ivoks: i never worked with any package which I transistioned ;)
[02:02] <ivoks> \sh: i didn't transition findlib
[02:03] <ivoks> \sh: neither any package depending on it
[02:03] <\sh> ivoks: it's C :)
[02:03] <ogra> JohnDong, the FreeNX implementation as is is to broken in our opinion, Mithrandir is working on a sane port since some time
[02:03] <ogra> JohnDong, hi btw
[02:03] <\sh> ivoks: gdome2-cpp-smart2 depends on ocaml-findlib
[02:03] <ivoks> \sh: i didn't do that
[02:03] <ogra> JohnDong, is blender 2.37 n debian ?
[02:03] <JohnDong> ogra: hi :). I was just talking with him about FreeNX, and he at least GOT the source packages this time :)
[02:03] <\sh> ivoks:  gmetadom
[02:03] <\sh> 
[02:03] <\sh> libgdome2-cpp-smart0
[02:04] <\sh>  Need to update dependency on ocaml-nox.
[02:04] <\sh> this is yours ;)
[02:04] <ivoks> ?
[02:04] <JohnDong> ogra: no, but 2.36 patches apply cleanly against 2.37 :)
[02:04] <ivoks> \sh: ?!
[02:04] <ogra> JohnDong, ah, sorry i'm terribly busy today, didnt follow -devel (i only react on pings currently ;) )
[02:04] <ivoks> \sh: find . -name control -exec grep ocmal {} ';' doesn't find anything :)
[02:04] <\sh> ivoks: check your cxx libs list :) gmetadom is your package;) and i need this package for gtkmathview
[02:05] <\sh> ivoks: ocaml-nox dependencies :) in gmetadome
[02:05] <ajmitch> yeah I've been bitten by ocaml deps as well
[02:05] <\sh> ajmitch: we have to check all universe ocaml-* libs
[02:05] <ogra> JohnDong, if you find a MOTU willing to maintain the belnder package then, i see no problems
[02:05] <JohnDong> ogra: GREAT, now I'm on recruiting duty....
[02:05] <ivoks> \sh: lol i never did that package! who signed it for me?
[02:05] <JohnDong> lol
[02:06] <\sh> ivoks: not me
[02:06] <ajmitch> \sh: sure, let's get started :)
[02:06] <ajmitch> ivoks: you've been volunteered
[02:06] <\sh> ajmitch: i started with findlib :)
[02:06] <ajmitch> great
[02:06] <ivoks> ?
[02:06] <ajmitch> I've never used ocaml
[02:06] <ivoks> heh
[02:06] <ivoks> np, i can build it
[02:06] <ivoks> i didn't know it was assigned to me
[02:06] <\sh> ajmitch: can u check the buildlogs for it? i don't understand the xorg stuff there...normally there shouldn't be any problems
[02:07] <ajmitch> \sh: check which build logs, sorry?
[02:07] <ogra> JohnDong, the problem with packages we patch is that its likely that we have to care for them for a while, so someone has o take the blame ;)
[02:07] <ivoks> i really need access to 64 bit computers
[02:07] <\sh> ajmitch: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/f/findlib/1.0.4-3ubuntu1/findlib_1.0.4-3ubuntu1_20050601-2015-i386-failed.gz
[02:07] <ivoks> i can't test sources without them..
[02:08] <JohnDong> ivoks: have you tried abusing Sourceforge?
[02:08] <ajmitch> ok..
[02:09] <ajmitch> \sh: /usr/bin/gcc-3.4.gcc-opt: No such file or directory
[02:09] <ajmitch> Error while building custom runtime system
[02:09] <ivoks> :))
[02:09] <\sh> argl
[02:09] <ajmitch> so it wanted a Build-Depends on gcc-3.4, I think
[02:10] <\sh> lemme finish my xp install...will take care about it
[02:10] <ajmitch> sure
[02:11] <\sh> .oO(i have to fix  gnome-chemistry-utils (c++ errors), findlib, gnuift ,gnuradio gtkglextmm ,gtkmathview )
[02:11] <\sh> ivoks: i will take then also gmetadom
[02:11] <ivoks> wait
[02:11] <ivoks> i downloaded source now
[02:11] <ivoks> i'll do it
[02:11] <\sh> ivoks: u have to w8 ;) i need to fix findlib ;)
[02:12] <ivoks> damn! you are confusing me :)
[02:12] <\sh> ivoks: gmetadom needs findlib :)
[02:12] <\sh> argh..need to reboot ...brb
[02:12] <ivoks> \sh: i didn't know that, cause i never touched that source
[02:12] <JohnDong> oh yeah, how about a wine 20050419 import from Sid?
[02:12] <JohnDong> wine fixes so much per release!
[02:13] <Nafallo> ivoks: are you supposed to be here? ;-)
[02:13] <ivoks> ?
[02:14] <Nafallo> ivoks: you are supposed to be away for a week? :-)
[02:14] <ivoks> yeah, but...
[02:14] <ivoks> i'll do this two packages...
[02:15] <ivoks> i don't know who put me there :)
[02:15] <ajmitch> JohnDong: source packages are in, the build just needs fixed
[02:15] <\sh> ivoks: 2 packages?
[02:15] <\sh> wanna do findlib?
[02:15] <ivoks> \sh: yeah, libflash too
[02:15] <JohnDong> ajmitch: ok
[02:15] <ajmitch> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/w/wine/0.0.20050419-1/
[02:15] <\sh> ivoks: libflas?
[02:15] <Nafallo> ivoks: hehe. I knew you should have banned yourself yesterday ;-)
[02:15] <ivoks> \sh: no, finish that one... i don't have upload right still :(
[02:16] <ivoks> \sh: libflash
[02:16] <\sh> libflash is Unfrgiven
[02:16] <ivoks> ?Q
[02:16] <ajmitch> JohnDong: I suspect once deps are sorted there may still be g++ 4.0 issues
[02:16] <ivoks> no according to my list
[02:17] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven has a libflash package done
[02:17] <ivoks> ?!
[02:17] <ivoks> why is my nick there?
[02:17] <ivoks> hm...
[02:18] <ivoks> libextractor?! i did that one?
[02:18] <ajmitch> wiki breakage?
[02:18] <ivoks> who messed with WIKI!?!
[02:18] <\sh> brb
[02:18] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven did that one as well
[02:18] <JohnDong> ajmitch: Gentoo seemed to be ok with GCC4, so I hope we'll be, too :)
[02:18] <ajmitch> the wiki is fragile
[02:20] <Amaranth> JohnDong: wine breaks so much per release
[02:20] <ogra> JohnDong, yes, once we have transitioned half of the universe :)
[02:20] <Amaranth> JohnDong: people that use photoshop on wine generally use a copy of wine from 2003, it works best
[02:21] <ivoks> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CxxLibraryList?prevDiff%3Amethod=%3C%3C+previous+edit&currentRevision=4
[02:21] <ivoks> ?!?!
[02:22] <ajmitch> ivoks: what?
[02:22] <Amaranth> ivoks: you were working on that?
[02:22] <ivoks> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CxxLibraryList?prevDiff%3Amethod=%3C%3C+previous+edit&currentRevision=7
[02:23] <ivoks> who did this?!
[02:23] <JohnDong> Amaranth: hmm, well, the stuff that I work with are very MSI dependent, and work best with later releases
[02:23] <ivoks> ajmitch: too much || || in the end on revision 4
[02:23] <ivoks> and lot's of errors on revision5
[02:23] <ivoks> pardon, revision 7
[02:23] <ajmitch> ivoks: ok..
[02:23] <ajmitch> as we said, a wiki is fragile :)
[02:23] <ajmitch> ogra: heard any more about RT?
[02:24] <ogra> ajmitch, not yet, i'll bug elmo these days....but he's likely to be busy releasing sarge until the weekend ;)
[02:24] <ajmitch> true :)
[02:24] <ogra> (at least from what i heard)
[02:25] <ivoks> hm...
[02:25] <ivoks> some one tought I'm AnkurKotwal :)
[02:25] <Nafallo> baah. let sarge wait ;-)
[02:25] <ajmitch> ivoks: what, you're not? :)
[02:25] <ivoks> ajmitch: :)
[02:26] <ivoks> ajmitch: :) no
[02:26] <ajmitch> hehe
[02:26] <ajmitch> I've met Unfrgiven at UDU
[02:26] <ajmitch> I know you're not him :)
[02:26] <ivoks> well, some one changed NameLastname into Nick
[02:26] <ivoks> and did mistake
[02:26] <ivoks> s
[02:26] <ivoks> mistakes :)
[02:27] <ivoks> ok, i'll fix that...
[02:27] <ivoks> so... AnkurKotwal is Unforgiven?
[02:29] <Nafallo> ivoks: no. don't forgive him yet ;-).
[02:30] <Amaranth> arg
[02:30] <Amaranth> gmail doesn't let you filter on cc
[02:30] <Amaranth> i mean, i'm sure it would be possible if their form had the option for it, since you can search based on cc
[02:30] <\sh> hmm...
[02:30] <ivoks> \sh: change you comments :)
[02:31] <\sh> i installed windows xp now, my grub is away, can i boot with warty live cd, chroot to my hoary and change it again? this should work
[02:31] <\sh> ivoks: when I'm back on linux :)
[02:31] <ivoks> why not?
[02:31] <ivoks> \sh: ok, i
[02:32] <ivoks> \sh: i'll do it for u
[02:32] <\sh> ivoks: are u taking over the packages from Unfrgiven ?
[02:32] <Nafallo> \sh: something like that. install mbr again + edit menu.list :-)
[02:33] <\sh> Nafallo: thats for sure...but i'm not sure about my reiserfs parts ;)
[02:33] <ivoks> \sh: no, some one put my nick instead of his name
[02:34] <ivoks> \sh: so i'm fixing that
[02:36] <\sh> ivoks: the packages or the wiki? ,-)
[02:36] <ivoks> \sh: yes
[02:36] <ajmitch> sleep time, see you all tomorrow :)
[02:36] <tseng> bye ajmitch
[02:36] <ivoks> \sh: some one put ivoks instead of AnkurKotwal
[02:36] <ivoks> ajmitch: night!
[02:36] <Amaranth> neat, gmail doesn't do any validation on what you put in filters
[02:37] <\sh> ;)
[02:37] <ivoks> \sh: i will grap few packages tomorrow
[02:37] <Amaranth> if you put 'foo@bar.com' it puts the filter as to:(foo@bar.com) so if you put 'foo@bar.com) OR cc:(foo@bar.com' the search is to:(foo@bar.com) OR cc:(foo@bar.com)
[02:37] <ivoks> i have too much work for uni today
[02:50] <\sh> ivoks: no problem :) I'm slowing down a bit, cause to tired, and I need to have time for my real life right now..
[02:50] <ivoks> :)
[02:50] <ivoks> \sh: who do i have to kill to get upload account arround here? :)
[02:51] <\sh> ivoks: u need your key in the ring :)
[02:51] <ivoks> well... i send it to keyring@ubuntu.com
[02:51] <\sh> ivoks: your email addr is whitelisted?
[02:52] <\sh> ivoks: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUOnceYouAreApproved
[02:52] <ivoks> \sh: i send signed coc when i become member, so i guess it is...
[02:52] <ivoks> \sh: i read that 3 times :)
[02:53] <\sh> ivoks: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Uploads
[02:53] <ivoks> \sh: did that too
[02:53] <ivoks> and tried to upload
[02:54] <\sh> ivoks: mailed upload@ubuntulinux.org for whitelisting, send mail with gpg key to keyring@ubuntu.com and ping elmo when hes around ;)
[02:54] <ivoks> i didn't mail upload, tough....
[02:55] <\sh> ivoks: but it will take at least a week until elmo is reacting..don't worry :)
[02:55] <ivoks> ok then
[02:56] <ivoks> now i know timeframe
[02:59] <ivoks> when was meeting? 30? 31?
[03:06] <Unfrgiven> \sh: i have taken gmetadom :)
[03:06] <Unfrgiven> \sh: it was already marked as me
[03:06] <Unfrgiven> its a VERY painful package to do though
[03:06] <Unfrgiven> because the ocaml packages need to be fixed up first
[03:07] <Unfrgiven> and theres a lot of them
[03:08] <Unfrgiven> im heading that up though....
[03:08] <Unfrgiven> i need to email the debian maintainers to find out what they were thinking when they named ocaml-nox as ocaml-nox-3.08... the "-3.08" is part of the name not the version! :(
[03:13] <ivoks> :)
[03:29] <mgalvin> hi all
[03:36] <\sh> Unfrgiven: re
[03:36] <\sh> Unfrgiven: i took findlib (source) ocaml-findlib (binary) package, but failed to build
[03:37] <\sh> Unfrgiven: all ocaml in main r without -3.08 so we should fix only the universe packages.
[03:37] <\sh> and btw...back in linux :)
[03:39] <Unfrgiven> \sh: ok will do.
[03:39] <\sh> Unfrgiven: the buildlogs from yesterday is http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/f/findlib/1.0.4-3ubuntu1/findlib_1.0.4-3ubuntu1_20050601-2015-i386-failed.gz
[03:46] <mgalvin> i built a package for libcwd and later found that there is already a debian version of a previous release
[03:47] <mgalvin> what do you guys usually do, should this package be imported from deb into ubuntu then update
[03:47] <\sh> mgalvin: take the debian package, update the package to the latest upstream version, debdiff it, send it back to debian :)
[03:48] <mgalvin> \sh, ok, then how do i then get into ububtu
[03:48] <mgalvin> it is not currently in ubuntu anywhere
[03:49] <\sh> mgalvin: so its a new package? Put it on moment *search*
[03:49] <\sh> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseCandidates
[03:49] <\sh> here
[03:51] <mgalvin> \sh, ok I will update the debian package and add it to the wiki
[03:51] <mgalvin> \sh, thnx
[03:52] <Unfrgiven> \sh: ill have a look at it tomorrow.
[03:52] <Unfrgiven> for now im going to get to bed....
[03:53] <Unfrgiven> gnite all
[03:53] <\sh> Unfrgiven: i don't know if I can manage, but if i have time, i'll take a look again...
[03:53] <Nafallo> Unfrgiven: nite
[03:53] <mgalvin> Unfrgive, good night
[03:53] <Nafallo> Unfrgiven: night even
[03:53] <\sh> Unfrgiven: g'night dude :)
[03:54] <Unfrgiven> \sh: yep sure... thanks
[03:54] <Unfrgiven> cya
[03:57] <lamont> mgalvin: do you mean this libcwd: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/libc/libcwd/
[03:57] <lamont> 0.99.34-1, fwiw
[03:58] <mgalvin> lamont, that looks like it
[03:59] <lamont> mgalvin: so you're looking to update that to a newer upstream version?
[03:59] <mgalvin> lamont, yes
[04:00] <lamont> the biggest thing to work through there is coordinating with the debian maintainer since we really really really want to have the same .orig.tar.gz as debian does.
[04:00] <mgalvin> lamont, i already spoke with madduck, the debian maintainer for this package
[04:00] <lamont> coolness
[04:01] <mgalvin> he is swamped and said its ok for me to work on it
[04:01] <mgalvin> :)
[04:02] <mgalvin> so i guess the best route is to grab the debian version at 0.99.39 and update that, or should I be updating this ubuntu verision at .34?
[04:03] <mgalvin> since its in ubuntu already
[04:05] <mgalvin> the debian version is here http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libdevel/libcwd-dev
[04:05] <wasabi> So I need to go about starting the process of being allowed to upload to main.
[04:22] <Riddell> anyone got examples of packages which have renamed? I'm wondering what the best thing to do is
[04:22] <Treenaks> firefox ?
[04:23] <ogra> Riddell, see the Cxx transition :-P
[04:23] <ogra> there are hundrets ;)
[04:23] <Nafallo> hehe
[04:24] <Riddell> ogra: that's libraries
[04:24] <ogra> yep, whats the problem, they all changed their names
[04:25] <Riddell> things depend on libraries so they get swapped magically, with an application I'm wondering how to make a user with the old package get the new one
[04:25] <Nafallo> Riddell: unrar -> unrar-free
[04:25] <Nafallo> mozilla-firefox -> firefox
[04:26] <Nafallo> the last one was switched in ubuntu-desktop iirc
[04:47] <Nafallo> ogra: ping
[04:51] <\sh> ok...need to go home now...
[04:51] <\sh> cu later dudes
[05:01] <Burgundavia> crap, look at the red on the build list today
[05:05] <Nafallo> ogra: will blam be in breezy main? and why isn't python2.4-gnome2-extras in main here? :-)
[05:05] <ogra> Nafallo, because it was not moved yet
[05:06] <ogra> and no, blam will stay in universe
[05:06] <ogra> Nafallo, dependency packages that move to main (mono deps and python2.4-gnome2-extras) need a security review first
[05:07] <Nafallo> ogra: I'm replanning my mirror. that's why I'm asking :-).
[05:07] <Nafallo> ogra: ahh, I wondered what was wrong ;-)
[05:08] <ogra> will take some time, i have to write a spec for python2.4-gnome2-extras, then pitti will review it
[05:09] <Nafallo> no hurry. just try to work about what packages is in use and what need to mirror universe and multiverse I currently have :-P
[05:17] <Riddell> what's that site that dead packages go to?
[05:17] <tseng> MorgueCandidates i am thinking
[05:17] <tseng> search for Morgue
[05:17] <Nafallo> morgue.ubuntu.com, but it seems it's not updated.
[05:17] <Nafallo> tseng: hi tseng :-)
[05:17] <tseng> hi
[05:18] <tseng> i had to restart all my rrdtool graphs :(
[05:18] <tseng> i was almost up to a full week of data
[05:21] <Lathiat> heh
[05:21] <Lathiat> i found munin really nice
[05:22] <Lathiat> sweet as rrd frontend
[05:22] <Lathiat> easy to write plugins for
[05:44] <\sh> re
[06:15] <Amaranth> if lintian gives me 'build-depends-without-arch-dep' because i depend on debhelper, can i ignore it?
[06:15] <Mithrandir> I would rather fix it.
[06:16] <Mithrandir> use build-depends-indep
[06:16] <Amaranth> ok
[06:18] <Amaranth> woo
[06:18] <Amaranth> i pass in lintian on the deb and dsc
[06:19] <Mithrandir> pass the .changes file to lintian
[06:19] <Amaranth> passed
[06:20] <Amaranth> now i just need to wait for pyxdg 0.13 to hit main
[06:21] <Mithrandir> it got lost in the upload queue according to elmo.
[06:21] <Amaranth> katie died or something
[06:21] <Mithrandir> yeah
[06:21] <Mithrandir> poor katie
[06:22] <Amaranth> we can rebuild her
[06:24] <ogra> she is well again... she just told me so by mail
[06:25] <Amaranth> is she better, faster, stronger?
[06:25] <ogra> no, just like before
[06:25] <Amaranth> wow, you're probably older than me and didn't get that
[06:26] <Nafallo> lol
[06:27] <Nafallo> ogra: rss-screensavers?
[06:27] <ogra> yeah, there seem to be some... i didnt investigate it yet...
[06:28] <ogra> was rather busy to merge all changes by hand... :(
[06:28] <Nafallo> ogra: sounds kewl. just have to find them then ;-).
[06:28] <ogra> now to a new lock window.... the current one will slap the users in the face with its uglyness again
[06:30] <Mithrandir> ogra: would you care to fix the problem where it times out while you're typing?
[06:31] <\sh> ah ogra...fck..i forgot to ask u
[06:31] <\sh> branislav's in town
[06:31] <ogra> Mithrandir, thats included in the spec i worked out with mpt in sydney, yes.... the clock shall reset with every digit you type
[06:32] <Mithrandir> ogra++
[06:32] <\sh> this evening poco loco between friesenplatz and rudolfplatz .. some drinks with old friends? u r interessted?
[06:34] <Amaranth> can i get a review of smeg? it's rather small
[06:34] <Amaranth> passes lintian with no warnings, should be quick
[06:36] <ogra> did i mention that overheating laptops are most annoying ?
[06:37] <\sh> ogra: u should use a hp ;) slow but stable ;) at least when it's not plugged in the portreplicator
[06:37] <ogra> \sh, my next one will be a hp :)
[06:37] <Amaranth> Riddell: ping?
[06:38] <\sh> ogra: u got my message about branislav?
[06:38] <ogra> yep...
[06:38] <Riddell> Amaranth: yo
[06:38] <Amaranth> ogra: you should review my package ;)
[06:39] <Amaranth> Riddell: you said to ping you to review smeg
[06:39] <ogra> 1. i got no car around.... 2. i have to fix the screensaver and want to be ready before the weekend .... so no, but send my greetings
[06:39] <Nafallo> ogra: does everything you own overheat or is the same one? :-P
[06:39] <ogra> its always the same
[06:39] <\sh> ogra: Kaloz
[06:39] <\sh> ogra: aeh ;) k
[06:39] <Riddell> Amaranth: where can I find it?
[06:40] <Amaranth> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUNewPackages
[06:40] <Riddell> Amaranth: poke me in a minute, I need to release koffice
[06:40] <Amaranth> ok
[07:02] <\sh> try to fix ocaml
[07:03] <\sh> Unfrgiven: ping
[07:19] <Riddell> you'll all be pleased to hear that KOffice 1.4 rc has just been announced
[07:20] <ogra> hmmm....
[07:20] <\sh> riddell: python-kde3 will come this night
[07:21] <\sh> goffice is not around ;)
[07:22] <Amaranth> Riddell: cool
[07:23] <\sh> thx riddell for your work :)
[07:23] <ogra> \sh, http://www.gnome.org/gnome-office/
[07:23] <ogra> \sh, tsk tsk tsk
[07:24] <Riddell> gnome-office, also known as "throw some random applications together and call it a suite"
[07:24] <\sh> ;)
[07:24] <Riddell> tsk, I'm just a troll
[07:24] <\sh> !topic Troll Time Now
[07:24] <Riddell> \sh: but ogra started it!
[07:24] <\sh> Riddell: true, it's called: TrollTech
[07:25] <\sh> no I started it ;)
[07:25] <\sh> what?
[07:26] <ogra> oh, can you ?
[07:26] <\sh> shaving+showering+smelling very nice time now ;)
[07:26] <Riddell> Amaranth: README file in smeg could do with some work :)
[07:26] <Amaranth> hehe
[07:26] <Amaranth> can't think of what to write
[07:27] <Amaranth> want me to put something in there first?
[07:28] <Riddell> dpkg-source: cannot represent change to lib/smeg/MenuHandler.pyc: binary file contents changed
[07:28] <Amaranth> i put that in there?!?
[07:28] <Amaranth> ack
[07:28] <ogra> ouch
[07:28] <Amaranth> i checked so many times and missed on the last upload :/
[07:29] <ogra> just do a rm *.pyc in the clean target
[07:29] <Riddell> shouldn't cdbs magicaly do the correct clean?
[07:29] <Amaranth> no, i think i left those in there before tar'ing it
[07:30] <Riddell> Amaranth: well if you're updating the tar files may as well put in "Smeg is an XDG menu editor" or something in README
[07:33] <Amaranth> those files aren't in my tar
[07:34] <Amaranth> so cdbs is failing me
[07:34] <Amaranth> nice
[07:35] <Amaranth> any ideas?
[07:36] <Amaranth> they're not in my orig or the deb i built, either
[07:39] <ogra> Nafallo, FontGlide and FontGlide (scroller) are the rss screensavers
[07:39] <Nafallo> ogra: thanx :-)
[07:39] <Amaranth> i'll reupload with a README though
[07:40] <ogra> heh, they are actually quite cool :)
[07:42] <Riddell> Amaranth: ah wait, could be my fault
[07:42] <Amaranth> Riddell: reuploaded with README
[07:42] <Riddell> Amaranth: cool
[07:42] <Amaranth> you ran it before you built it? :)
[07:42] <Riddell> Amaranth: I did
[07:42] <Amaranth> hehe
[07:43] <Riddell> python is sneaky like that
[07:47] <Riddell>   File "/usr/lib/smeg/DialogHandler.py", line 30, in ?
[07:47] <Riddell>     import gtk, gtk.glade
[07:47] <Riddell> ImportError: No module named glade
[07:47] <Amaranth> that's not a part of pygtk in ubuntu?
[07:48] <Amaranth> whatever package it's in, it's in the DesktopSeed for ubuntu :P
[07:48] <Riddell> not of python2.4-gtk2
[07:49] <Amaranth> *groan*
[07:49] <ivoks> hello
[07:49] <Amaranth> must be python-gnome
[07:49] <ivoks> elmo: ping :)
[07:49] <Amaranth> no, not there either
[07:50] <\sh> Riddell: do have it at your hand: which version of sip4 is in breezy right now?
[07:50] <Riddell> Package: sip4  Version: 4.2.1-1ubuntu3
[07:51] <\sh> good..txh
[07:51] <Amaranth> ah
[07:51] <Amaranth> python2.4-glade2
[07:51] <Amaranth> i'm stupid
[07:52] <Riddell> installed python-glade2 and now I get a different error
[07:52] <Amaranth> what?
[07:52] <Riddell>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xdg/Menu.py", line 498, in parse
[07:52] <Riddell>     raise ParsingError('File not found', filename)
[07:52] <Riddell> xdg.Exceptions.ParsingError: ParsingError in file '/etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu', File not found
[07:52] <Amaranth> oh, that
[07:52] <Amaranth> yeah, the .desktop file runs smeg --kde
[07:53] <Riddell> I was running from command line
[07:53] <Amaranth> but none of this runs without pyxdg 0.13, which hasn't hit main yet
[07:53] <Riddell> and I don't have that file
[07:53] <Amaranth> Riddell: Fix kde and I can fix smeg.
[07:53] <Nafallo> Amaranth: I've downloaded it already.
[07:53] <Amaranth> Nafallo: it hit main? woo
[07:53] <Nafallo> :-)
[07:53] <Riddell> pyxdg installed fine
[07:54] <Amaranth> Riddell: Yes, but kde's applications.menu is kde-applications.menu, running with --kde makes smeg look for that.
[07:54] <Amaranth> Riddell: If you guys hadn't broken the spec I wouldn't have had to break smeg. :)
[07:55] <\sh> shermann@shermann-laptop:~/kde/pykde/trans$ sudo pbuilder build python-kde3_3.11.4+snapshot20050316-0ubuntu2
[07:55] <\sh> now it goes
[07:55] <ivoks> sudo?
[07:55] <ivoks> fakeroot
[07:56] <Riddell> Amaranth: I'm open to suggestions on how to fix that
[07:56] <Amaranth> make both depend on a common package
[07:56] <Riddell> Amaranth: and the only reason KDE moved and gnome didn't was I changed the package first then jdub said "oh well gnome doesn't have to change now"
[07:56] <Amaranth> if gnome would have moved i would have switch to another distro
[07:57] <Amaranth> anyway, reuploaded packages with dependency on python2.4-glade2
[07:57] <Riddell>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/os.py", line 159, in makedirs
[07:57] <Riddell>     mkdir(name, mode)
[07:57] <Riddell> OSError: [Errno 13]  Permission denied: '/home/jr/.config/smeg'
[07:57] <Riddell> not very good at it's exception catching this thing :)
[07:57] <Amaranth> your permissions are screwed
[07:58] <ivoks> :)
[07:58] <Amaranth> so far all the exceptions are in pyxdg
[07:58] <Amaranth> except for the glade thing
[07:58] <Amaranth> why would you not have access to your own $XDG_CONFIG_HOME?
[07:59] <Amaranth> brb
[07:59] <Riddell> Amaranth: it's a chroot, my permissions are indeed screwed
[07:59] <Riddell> I still get
[07:59] <Riddell> xdg.Exceptions.ParsingError: ParsingError in file '/etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu', File not found
[07:59] <Riddell> when I run with --kde  or from a menu
[07:59] <Amaranth> kde-applications.menu exists?
[08:00] <Riddell>  /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications.menu does
[08:00] <Nafallo> lol
[08:00] <\sh> hehehe
[08:01] <Riddell> Amaranth: in the .desktop files you should have GenericName=Menu Editor  and just  Name=smeg
[08:01] <\sh> Riddell: u want my build.log?
[08:01] <Riddell> \sh: of pykde?
[08:01] <\sh> yeah
[08:01] <\sh> screwed completly
[08:01] <Riddell> \sh: erk
[08:02] <\sh> xbase clients and kdelibs4c2
[08:02] <\sh> etc. pp
[08:02] <Riddell> oh, X package errors
[08:02] <Nafallo> ogra: gaah! that won't be my default rss-reader anyway ;-)
[08:02] <Amaranth> Riddell: i have no idea what's wrong with your system then :/
[08:02] <Amaranth> Riddell: this works fine here
[08:02] <ogra> Nafallo, why ? its cool
[08:02] <Amaranth> Riddell: Aren't you the one that told me to make it 'Smeg Menu Editor' so you can tell at a glance what it is?
[08:02] <Nafallo> ogra: maybe if you got 3d-love ;-)
[08:03] <Amaranth> ok, so i should depend on gnome-menus | kdelibs4
[08:03] <\sh> kdelibs4c2
[08:03] <ogra> Nafallo, lets see ;) if someone extends the days by 10h i'll probably have time
[08:03] <ivoks> kde made transition?
[08:03] <Riddell> Amaranth: don't think so, not sure.  but it should be as I just said
[08:04] <Amaranth> Riddell: That doesn't help GNOME users out much.
[08:04] <\sh> ivoks: where r u living? ,-)
[08:04] <Nafallo> ogra: ooh. I thought my lack of 3d was the reason for the lag ;-)
[08:04] <Amaranth> Riddell: I can do that in smeg-kde.desktop though
[08:04] <Riddell> Amaranth: how so?
[08:04] <wasabi_> Hello!
[08:04] <ogra> Nafallo, you can adjust it
[08:04] <Amaranth> Riddell: gnome doesn't show the generic name
[08:04] <\sh> Riddell: ah...libkonq etc.
[08:05] <Riddell> Amaranth: it works if I have a file /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu, then when run with --kde it picks up the kde-applications.menu file
[08:05] <Riddell> Amaranth: but it needs a applications.menu to be there
[08:05] <Amaranth> *boggle*
[08:05] <Amaranth> damnit
[08:05] <Riddell> Amaranth: not my fault if gnome doesn't implement the spec properly :)
[08:06] <\sh> Riddell: http://ubuntu.linux-server.org/pykde-build-20050602.log
[08:06] <wasabi_> I need to start down the road of getting upload perms to main. Where do I start?
[08:07] <Amaranth> Riddell: I don't see how that can be unless pyxdg is broken.
[08:07] <Amaranth> the needing applications.menu part, i mean
[08:07] <Riddell> "/etc/X11/xkb/xkbcomp symbolic link points to wrong location"  \sh I've seen other people complain about that
[08:07] <Amaranth> i'll have to wait for lanius to get back online
[08:08] <Amaranth> smeg will probably have to wait for pyxdg 0.14
[08:08] <Riddell> Amaranth: other than that I'm happy with the package
[08:08] <Nafallo> ogra: yea. that made it a lot easier. but it seems the damn thing lacks UTF-8 love or something ;-).
[08:08] <\sh> Riddell: but it's not the main issue
[08:08] <Riddell> \sh: seems to be the issue in that build log
[08:08] <Nafallo> ogra: i.e. Matar<strange char>
[08:08] <Nafallo> ;-)
[08:08] <ivoks> \sh: would you test one source for me? on amd64?
[08:09] <\sh> ivoks: can it wait for tomorrow? i'm on the run to meet an old friend :)
[08:09] <ivoks> \sh: np
[08:09] <ivoks> ogra: could you? :)
[08:09] <ivoks> or anyone who has access to amd64?
[08:10] <\sh> Riddell: is someone working on it?
[08:10] <ogra> ivoks, didnt you sort it out with Mithrandir yet ?
[08:10] <\sh> daniels?
[08:10] <Amaranth> Riddell: I'm not convinced something is horribly wrong with pyxdg
[08:10] <ivoks> ogra: no
[08:10] <Amaranth> Riddell: Mostly because the owner isn't on a distro that did the kde-applications.menu junk.
[08:10] <Amaranth> s/owner/developer/
[08:10] <ivoks> ogra: i don't know why, he didn't tell me
[08:10] <Riddell> Amaranth: have you tried running it without applications.menu?
[08:10] <Amaranth> s/not/now/
[08:10] <Amaranth> yes, i just did
[08:10] <Riddell> ah
[08:10] <Amaranth> it used only my ~/.config/menus/applications.menu
[08:11] <Riddell> Amaranth: I've put my review on MOTUNewPackages
[08:11] <Amaranth> should have used /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications.menu and ~/.config/menus/kde-applications.menu
[08:11] <Amaranth> so, if i make this gnome-only for now it should be fine?
[08:11] <wasabi_> ogra, what's it take to get main upload permissions? :)
[08:11] <ivoks> well, bye all
[08:12] <\sh> ok...gentlemen time for "brain reset part II"
[08:13] <ogra> wasabi_, TB decides.... normally you get asked to put yourself on the agenda
[08:13] <wasabi_> So I guess I should be putting myself on the agenda.
[08:13] <\sh> cu later
[08:13] <wasabi_> I haven't really focused much on the formal Ubuntu stuff... like, when meetings are, etc.
[08:13] <wasabi_> Or even where the Agenda is. heh
[08:15] <\sh> wiki/TechnicalBoardAgenda
[08:16] <wasabi_> What just stuck "Review JerryHaltom for upload permissions to main (Java moving to main)." or something
[08:16] <Amaranth> Riddell: It now depends on gnome-menus. Until pyxdg gets fixes it'll have to be gnome only.
[08:16] <Amaranth> Riddell: Or even GNOME and KDE as long as gnome-menus gets pulled in.
[08:20] <herve> houba!
[08:21] <Amaranth> hey, i have another victim!
[08:24] <Amaranth> herve: can i get your to review a package for me? :)
[08:24] <Amaranth> err you
[08:24] <Amaranth> i need to learn how to type
[08:24] <herve> "your" was good
[08:24] <herve> but missing the name "mind"
[08:25] <herve> I get it back and ping you then
[08:26] <jani> evening all
[08:27] <herve> hi jani
[08:27] <herve> long time not seen
[08:27] <herve> how are you?
[08:28] <jani> busy, thanks :)
[08:28] <jani> haven't had much time for ubuntu lately :(
[08:29] <herve> yeah, I know what it is
[08:29] <jani> all the rocking going on and I am just a spectator...
[08:29] <herve> I'm in the beginning of such a period
[09:09] <herve> I'm glad guadec videos are available
[09:10] <herve> now there is something on TV :)-
[09:10] <Nafallo> s/tv/computer/ ;-)
[09:11] <Nafallo> herve: or tv-out? :-P
[09:11] <herve> I don't have a TV set anyway!
[09:11] <Nafallo> herve: yay! way to go :-). I'm trying to sell mine ;-)
[09:11] <herve> no thank you :-)
[09:24] <herve> still 14 bugs in sarge :-(
[09:24] <Amaranth> 14?
[09:24] <Amaranth> i thought it was down to 8
[09:26] <herve> I see 4 new open lately
[09:39] <herve> alright Amaranth, I'll concentrate on your package
[09:39] <Amaranth> ok
[09:39] <Amaranth> it might change soon, but cool :)
[09:40] <Amaranth> nevermind, that version is doable
[09:40] <Amaranth> but once we get a new pyxdg out i'll have a new version of smeg, how is that handled?
[09:40] <herve> or just say if you want me to focus on a particular aspect
[09:40] <Amaranth> well, as is it should rock for GNOME
[09:41] <Amaranth> need to wait for a new pyxdg to make it work on KDE again
[09:41] <herve> I think you'll set a minimal version requirement for pyxdg
[09:41] <herve> since you will depend on it
[09:41] <Amaranth> i have one
[09:41] <Amaranth> >= 0.13
[09:47] <herve> I see you fixed smeg being a native package :-)
[09:47] <herve> you're the author?
[09:49] <herve> boy, new packages review really needs love
[09:50] <Amaranth> yeah, i'm the author
[09:50] <herve> just wondering for comparing the source tarball
[09:52] <herve> hmm... do you know about the new python object model?
[09:52] <Amaranth> yes
[09:53] <herve> you wouldn't use it?
[09:53] <Amaranth> doesn't pyxdg need to use it for that to work?
[09:53] <herve> I don't think so, you're not inheriting from it
[09:53] <Amaranth> yes i am
[09:53] <Amaranth> that's what xdg.MenuEditor.MenuEditor is
[09:54] <herve> I'm looking at the smeg binary
[09:54] <Amaranth> eh?
[09:55] <Amaranth> not sure what you mean then
[09:55] <herve> it contains a Smeg class
[09:56] <Amaranth> yes...
[09:56] <Amaranth> you mean you want me to inherit from object for no reason?
[09:57] <herve> for catching up with python and use the new object model
[09:57] <herve> you'll gain a better garbage collector for example
[09:58] <Amaranth> is it ok if i wait until pyxdg 0.14 and smeg 0.7.4 to have this reviewed? :)
[09:58] <Amaranth> we just got some bugs fixed, i'll toss that in too
[09:58] <Amaranth> well, might as well review it, so i know what else to look at
[09:58] <herve> I was just curious about the code
[09:58] <herve> but I'll focus on the packaging, don't worry :)
[09:59] <Amaranth> if i get you and Riddell to review this what should i do when i put up 0.7.4?
[09:59] <Amaranth> just mark that it's a new version on the wiki?
[10:00] <herve> that's a big flaw of the wiki
[10:00] <herve> and why we need a request tracker
[10:00] <herve> as for me, I'll mark my comments as applying to the 0.7.3-0ubuntu1 version
[10:00] <Amaranth> ok
[10:01] <herve> hehe, debian/control.in template
[10:01] <herve> you'll find lovers and enemies of this :-)
[10:03] <herve> hmm maybe the manpage needs an update
[10:03] <herve> it refers to gnome only
[10:03] <Amaranth> I don't know how to make a man page. Someone else made that.
[10:04] <herve> I just borrowed one and changed the text for mine ;-)
[10:05] <Amaranth> hey, this man page says i wrote it
[10:05] <Amaranth> hehe
[10:06] <Amaranth> anything else?
[10:06] <herve> no
[10:06] <herve> the packaging looks good
[10:06] <Amaranth> ok, all of that will be fixed in 0.7.4 :)
[10:06] <herve> haven't it the application yet
[10:07] <Amaranth> yeah, not hard to get cdbs packaging right
[10:07] <herve> s/it/tried
[10:07] <herve> but I'll test 0.7.4, anyway?
[10:08] <Amaranth> only if you're willing to make pyxdg 0.14 debs :)
[10:08] <herve> it's in universe?
[10:08] <Amaranth> no
[10:08] <Amaranth> i have to wait for seb
[10:09] <herve> ha yes, I saw him uploading it
[10:09] <Amaranth> yeah, he just uploaded 0.13 today
[10:09] <Amaranth> and we released 0.14 :)
[10:10] <Amaranth> well, we're about to anyway
[10:22] <herve> hehe
[10:22] <herve> pyxdg 0.14 :-)
[10:23] <Amaranth> yep
[10:23] <Amaranth> seb is too fast
[10:23] <herve> reminds me...
[10:34] <mgalvin> hey herve, when you say you resync a package with debian, what is that is being done, I only ask b/c I am working on debian packages the I would like to see get into ubuntu
[10:35] <herve> I diff what the actual ubuntu brought to the debian one at that time
[10:35] <herve> and reapply it where needed on the new debian one
[10:35] <herve> but it requires having archives of debian packages
[10:35] <herve> which I hardly find
[10:36] <herve> for pylint it was easy since I knew what to do
[10:36] <herve> python transition... memories :-)
[10:40] <Amaranth> ok, 0.7.4 out
[10:40] <Amaranth> just need to wait for pyxdg to hit main
[10:40] <Amaranth> i'll update the wiki
[10:52] <ajmitch> morning
[10:52] <herve> hi ajmitch
[10:52] <herve> mgalvin, you got my answer?
[10:53] <mgalvin> herve, yup, thnx
[10:54] <ajmitch> mm, snowing here..
[11:00] <mgalvin> l8r all
[11:12] <herve> night all
[11:12] <herve> Amaranth, I test smeg 0.7.4 and approve your package
[11:17] <Amaranth> ack
[11:17] <Amaranth> he didn't update the wiki
[11:17] <Amaranth> ok, i need one more review then smeg can go into universe and people can cheer, right ;)
[11:18] <Amaranth> ?
[11:34] <|QuaD-_> is ooo2 motu or main?
[11:36] <Amaranth> for breezy it either is or will be main
[11:36] <Amaranth> is, ubuntu-desktop depends on it
[11:36] <|QuaD-_> Amaranth: ok, cuz both ooo and ooo2 keep crashing on me when i try to use the menus