[12:03] <\sh> genubuntu -> world compile with -O99 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -sse -mmx -sse99 [12:03] \sh: what, no -ffast-math -sse3 ? :) [12:03] <\sh> oh thx i forgot ;) [12:04] siretart: this is funny: doko maintains the package, keybuk "fixed it" and you uploaded it :) [12:04] THAT's collaboration [12:04] dholbach: well MOM fixed it, really :) [12:05] ajmitch: and that's not even appropriate :) [12:05] dholbach: did I do something wrong? (just want do be sure that I didn't do something really stupid) [12:06] siretart: perfectly alright [12:06] hopefully not.. as long as you followed the report [12:06] puh! [12:06] sometimes you have to build with -sa, other times not [12:06] I was irritiated that I didn't get any mail [12:07] ajmitch: just when you have new upstream version [12:08] yep [12:08] I've got a stack of merges to get back to, I think :) === ajmitch updates his merge list [12:08] hi [12:09] hello tseng [12:09] <\sh> ubuntu debootstrap can do also a debian unstable chroot? [12:10] yes [12:10] <\sh> good...so i can prepare some new packages for debian, ajmitch can review and sponsor an upload ,-) [12:10] <\sh> so we can resync them into ubuntu ;) [12:11] I can try & get them in - wait until sarge is released & etch is open [12:11] otherwise I'd probably get smacked by debian people ;) [12:11] :) [12:11] meebey got mono in :) [12:11] experimental or sid? [12:11] sid [12:12] sid [12:12] :) [12:12] right, there wouldn't have been NEW processing then [12:12] <\sh> argl [12:12] <\sh> findlib is not build [12:12] <\sh> fck [12:12] ftpmasters would possibly ignore my upload until post-sarge anyway [12:13] ajmitch: do you think this weekend is still realistic? ;) [12:13] <\sh> Purging configuration files for xorg-common ... [12:13] <\sh> Removing any system startup links for /etc/init.d/xorg-common ... [12:13] <\sh> /etc/rcS.d/S70xorg-common [12:13] hrm well mono wasnt in sarge [12:13] <\sh> dpkg - warning: while removing xorg-common, directory `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11' not empty so not removed. [12:13] so it might not be frozen [12:14] well, ok, thats highly offtopic here in this context.. [12:15] ajmitch: do you read debian-devel? [12:15] dholbach: sometimes.. [12:15] siretart: debian development is off topic here? [12:16] the thread that was kicked off about wifi-radar in ubuntu was very interesting [12:16] usuually just debian-devel-announce [12:16] "Is Ubuntu a fork" or something [12:16] the fun threads [12:16] there were much less anti-ubuntu sentiments than i expected [12:17] from what i can gather ubuntu is less of a fork and more of an alternate release process [12:17] once we got teams cracking on stuff, we should announce them on debian-devel as well [12:17] I resort mostly to gmane now for reading the lists [12:18] i subscribed to it [12:18] since this thread was really exciting [12:18] plugwash: and a completly different development process [12:18] for the debian-ubuntu future :) [12:18] dholbach: absolutly! [12:18] i really think we should sink our teeth in there to make sure history is to be made :) [12:19] certainly === ajmitch starts readint the threads [12:19] haha [12:19] "It's a spoon." [12:20] <\sh> "there is no spoon" ;) [12:20] lol [12:20] i dont think the rest of you really work like I do [12:20] tseng: no, we're not nearly as 1337 as you [12:20] i spend more time communicating with debian and upstream then I do touching packages [12:20] we don't do so much packaging of new stuff [12:20] <\sh> tseng: thx for ur effords ;) [12:20] im not going to force that on anyone [12:20] but.. i think its a good idea [12:21] different things are needed in different areas [12:21] it absolutely is === \sh [~shermann@xdsl-84-44-198-129.netcologne.de] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] [12:21] i mean i wouldnt expect dholbach to do it the same as me === \sh [~shermann@xdsl-84-44-198-129.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:21] he touches every package he can find [12:21] not really [12:21] <\sh> grmpfumasdasjdh [12:21] but if you work in a specific area.. [12:21] yeah... TEAMS! [12:21] yes [12:22] atm i just touch my thesis stuff... :/ [12:22] the gnome motu team should be best friends with debian gnome [12:22] and gnome.org [12:22] yeah [12:22] seb does gnome packages for debian, too [12:22] yes [12:22] i'll be off to bed now [12:22] so he's been the main contact for both, I think [12:22] night dholbach [12:22] good night === \sh is off to bed, tooo [12:22] \sh, use some real chat software.... [12:22] but one thing that is consistently raised is that we have to feed bugs back to debian [12:23] <\sh> ogra: i don't use gaim ;) [12:23] \sh, Konversation terminates all the time [12:23] <\sh> gaim is for college girls [12:23] take xchat [12:23] ogra: remind me why we have this patch in tomboy? [12:23] <\sh> no :) i just hit some buttons while i was writing [12:23] ogra: dajobe doesnt like it. [12:23] \sh, so you dont want to meet college girls ? [12:23] tseng, which one ? [12:24] <\sh> ogra: too young...too loud for an old fart like me [12:24] ogra: you added a patch === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.200.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra tries to remember === tseng looks [12:24] feel free to drop it [12:25] where is the patches page? [12:25] <\sh> *note* i have to send a patch to debian and upstream for arkrpg */note* [12:25] thats where he found it [12:26] tseng, ??? [12:26] <\sh> ok gentlemen [12:26] tseng, which patches page ? [12:26] the one where we diff w/ debian [12:26] and give patches [12:26] <\sh> don't fix breezy :) [12:26] MOM ? [12:26] hmm === ajmitch_ [~ajmitch@port162-41.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:26] http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/tomboy/ [12:26] this. [12:27] http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/tomboy/tomboy_0.3.2-4ubuntu5_unknown.patch [12:27] sigh, irssi, doesn't want to play nice again today :) [12:27] and that :) [12:27] is the patch in question [12:28] *unknown.patch ;-) [12:28] <\sh> chmod 0000 *hidden.patch ;) [12:28] <\sh> night all :) [12:29] tseng, because it didnt work without the patch [12:29] can you explain breifly what it actually does? [12:29] tseng, revert it [12:29] heh i wont revert it if it doesnt work w/o it [12:29] i just need to justify it to dajobe before he merges it in debian [12:29] tseng, tomboy didnt start with an error that m is not defined [12:29] in the line in question [12:30] oh. [12:30] *proper.patch :-) [12:30] baah. to much p2p for me :-P [12:30] tseng, and the line if (q == null) { somehow implied that it should be } else if (q != null) { [12:31] it should just be else [12:31] i imagine [12:31] it was a shot in the dark that worked, i'm not after keeping it if its wrong :) [12:32] yeah, else is the right way [12:32] I'd assume that is it was if (q==null) then the second if being q would be redundant [12:32] yes [12:33] yop [12:33] ill confirm the bug again [12:33] and then try to fix it with an else [12:33] it was at some inhuman hour in the morning when i made the patch [12:34] caffiene underdose? === tseng boots laptop [12:34] was it only failing on amd64? === blablablabla [~maniac@p54A3C705.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:37] arg ill look at it later === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:39] tseng, ^^^^ [12:39] tseng, tomboy didnt start with an error that m is not defined [12:39] but m is referenced on the next line? [12:39] thats not amd64 spwcific [12:40] yep [12:41] yeah.. [12:41] he probably didnt see it on mono 1. [12:41] 1.0 [12:41] i dunno [12:41] else is just the right fix [12:41] no it needs to check for m [12:42] because it calls m next line [12:42] yes? [12:42] it doesnt in my patch... [12:42] how can m fail to be !null [12:42] and then get an object reference in the next line [12:42] but works with my patch... which is redundant... [12:43] i dont see why though :P [12:43] its kind of voodoo [12:44] ajmitch: update easytag please :P [12:46] gar xbase-clients [12:46] tseng: ? [12:46] ajmitch_: cxx [12:46] k [12:46] whats the lib [12:47] libid3-3.8.3c2 [12:47] it wants to be built with that, i think [12:47] im not entirely sure what the cxx plan is all about === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:47] if it doesn't supply a lib, it'll get rebuilt once libs are done [12:48] since it'll be in the blacklist of affected c++ apps [12:48] oh ok. === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:48] bye guys [12:48] libid3 is in main, and already done [12:48] bye ogra. [12:49] bye ogra [12:50] has anybody packaged the RHDS yet? [12:50] redhat destkop slowness? [12:50] directory server [12:50] ah. [12:51] bye ogra === ajmitch updates some of his debs === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [~mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JDay [~chatzilla@c-24-21-161-9.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JDay [~chatzilla@c-24-21-161-9.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === CircuitRider [~chatzilla@adsl-65-43-144-144.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:10] ajmitch: what do you normally do to "syncronize with debian" [01:10] ajmitch: i think i am probably doing it the hard way [01:11] no, I think you're probably doing it properly [01:12] I haven't been communicating with debian nearly as much as I should have [01:12] i mean the technical process [01:12] i normally do svn up in package mono and look at changed files since the last i looked [01:12] and copy changes by hand [01:13] i envision you other guys doing some fancy crap with debdiff (which ive never used) [01:13] debdiff on the .dsc files to get the diff between the trees [01:14] I use MOM to get the debdiffs, too [01:14] hm [01:14] well i do stuff before its actually uploaded [01:14] *G* [01:15] since a lot of stuff I'd do would be just checking merges, making sure that what I do doesn't conflict.. [01:15] im just that slick [01:15] heh :) [01:15] I don't deal with debian's unreleased stuff yet, unless it's my own :) [01:15] and I should be moving to bazaar for that [01:15] oh if im not bleeding [01:15] its no good [01:16] pnet might actually have a new release in a week or so [01:16] i feed on crack. [01:16] so I'll update that, of course [01:17] it probably still won't run most apps that we care about [01:17] yeah im not sure why we are bothing to genericize cli stuff [01:17] when nothing works outside of mono [01:18] maybe someday.. [01:18] I might throw in a patch to try & use mono crack from its GAC [01:19] it'll just require me to figure out the version hasking used, should be trivial enough [01:19] man im starving === herzi [~herzi@c182088.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:19] this might be another no-upload night [01:20] I haven't uploaded for weeks [01:20] tseng: fetch an amd64 and get hacking ;-) === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === CircuitRider [~chatzilla@adsl-65-43-144-144.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:40] can anyone help me with using the wiki - /query please === tseng goes for dinner === hobbz [~hobbz@adsl-11-38-66.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch goes off to work === Nafallo_ [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [~doko___@dsl-082-082-199-023.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [~mgalvin@cpe-69-205-46-35.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:22] morning all [02:22] doko_: ping? [02:45] morning Unfrgiven === Nafallo goodnight [02:49] tseng: morning :) [02:49] tseng: how are things at your end? [02:52] good thanks [02:52] whats up [02:52] oh man the dog made me go running [02:52] im beat. [02:52] i had a question regarding the c++ transition and shlibs [02:52] ok, ajmitch can answer better than me [02:52] i only touch mono crack [02:52] ok ill wait for his return === uniq [charlie@gw.ipv6.lnix.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:02] hi Unfrgiven === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-1478.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:08] hello [03:26] ajmitch: hy [03:26] ivoks: hi [03:28] ajmitch: i just uploaded a new patch with the fixes you and doko suggested. i wasn't too sure what to do with shlibs but I think i've got it right now. you able to have a quick look? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11371 [03:29] ok... serpentine looks really nice [03:29] yes. [03:29] yes? :) [03:29] it looks nice. [03:30] Unfrgiven: I might take a look in a bit, I'm at work [03:30] did someone allready package it? [03:30] ivoks: yes, it should be in main [03:30] ogra looked at it [03:30] ajmitch: ok no probs. thanks :) [03:30] ok [03:31] Unfrgiven: looks better [03:32] ajmitch: :) [03:36] looks good === HostingGeek [~HG@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:46] ok, so I could try to upload my first package? :) [03:47] ivoks: if you want [03:48] wifi-radar for example :) [03:48] hmm :) [03:49] no? :) [03:52] yuhu! [03:52] how, i guess it's up [03:52] Successfully uploaded packages. [03:53] you should get an email from katie [03:53] ok [03:54] no, no email from katie :) [03:54] it runs every 5 minutes [03:54] :00, :05, :10, ... [03:54] i guess my email isn't whitelisted yet [03:54] oh, i'll check then later :) or... now :) [03:56] nothing :( [03:56] once i'm able to upload, i shouldn't upload .deb, right? [03:57] correct, only source uploads [03:57] you only upload diff.gz + dsc usually [03:57] ok [03:57] changes? [03:57] (yes, changes, too) [03:57] ok [03:58] yes, .changes is definitely required [03:58] ivoks: what are you using to upload? [03:58] dput [03:58] dput is configured for ubuntu? [03:58] yes [03:59] dput ubuntu ....changes [03:59] ok, so you'd do something like 'dput ubuntu package_version_source.changes' [03:59] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Uploads [03:59] yes [03:59] right [03:59] I haven't seen it on the changes list yet, but that could just be slow [03:59] ajmitch: i guess my mail isn't whitelisted [04:08] time to get some sleep [04:09] bye === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === enodev [~enodev@ACB492CF.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:40] motu? whats this about?? [04:40] masters of the universe [04:40] who are the masters= [04:40] ? [04:40] wiki.ubuntulinux.org/MOTU [04:40] yaeh alright i know the topic and the wiki [04:41] thought about some personal responses [04:41] good :) [04:41] =) the masters speakin to me.... [04:41] we work on universe packages.. [04:41] a fairly big area, of course [04:41] when we're not working on universe packages, we're stuffing monkey brains into burlap sacks and selling them on the market [04:42] and quite off the ubuntu idea? [04:42] the market... [04:42] ubuntu says universe is baaaad === CircuitRider [~chatzilla@adsl-65-43-144-144.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:42] sorry for my simple arguments =) [04:44] well i admid i lied about reading the wike... but motu makes sense to me now. i myself get most off the universe# [04:44] ubuntu doesn't say universe is bad [04:44] it's just not officially supported [04:44] but it doesnt really recommend it [04:44] which is why the MOTUs work on it [04:45] are u a *MAINTANER* ? [04:45] xcuse my spellin [04:45] I'm a MOTU, but I don't work on packages in main yet [04:46] i always thought universe was not part of the main stuff coz it lacked some ideas.. u know? [04:46] they make quite good statements why what is in the main trunk? [04:46] ideas? [04:47] main is what is officially supported for security & the like, by canonical [04:47] its more than just security [04:47] its the idea - as of what i have understood - about ubuntu [04:48] free to all [04:48] yes, and that's common across everything.. === Lathiat [~lathiat@gasp.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:49] in one part its what i like ubuntu for [04:50] its meant to be for everyone [04:50] and if theres something that doesnt fit to all it be in universe [04:51] no, universe isn't like that [04:51] but still available to thoose who re already "enlightened" [04:51] i see ubuntu as desktop thing for me and my mom [04:51] universe is those packages that aren't part of the core distro, they're freely available to download for all [04:51] not for all [04:52] not all know how to add the sources.list to universe [04:52] it's not terribly hard [04:53] i know [04:53] but most dont [04:53] ive read an interesting article - a review [04:54] done by a windows user who had never touched linux so far [04:54] and all the hype about ubntu just vansihed [04:54] cause she didnt have all she wanted for a desktop os [04:54] ubuntu is great! [04:55] im here to tell it [04:55] but the simple desktop user doesnt get it [04:55] they dotn get as far as to the universe [04:55] .... until some one tells them about the masters :) [04:57] but i dont wanna talk about ubuntu. we know its cool. anyway [04:57] what the motu do? [04:57] *what do [04:57] are doing? [04:57] are going to do? [04:58] i dont know any of you [04:58] although ive installed alot off the universe [04:58] ..perhaps most [04:59] i remember the debian people complain [05:00] we're just taking from them [05:00] makin it impossible t give something back [05:00] that's not true. [05:00] patches are fed back. [05:00] wether they're applied is another thing entirely. [05:01] yeah but debain people say ubuntu is changin too much [05:01] makin it impossoble to merge patches [05:01] i dont know ive looked in to it [05:01] ive never [05:02] sorry about missin words. it keeps happening [05:03] how much is ubuntu a cult makin people believe whats said? [05:03] am i totally off? [05:03] You need to be a cult to be nice to people. :) [05:04] er, you don't need. [05:04] i found myself praising ubuntu without knowing really much.... [05:04] i like ubuntu very much. i see a very important future [05:06] i wonder how many windows user are in this channel [05:09] probably not so many, this is usually a devel channel === ajmitch is finished work for the day, wandering off home now [05:09] bbl [05:09] so the masters are all developers? [05:10] mostly [05:18] is it hard to put something nice into universe? [05:29] anyone here ever use openvpn - http://openvpn.net? [05:44] can't say I have === Firetech [~Firetech@h53n1fls301o1100.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-1478.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:11] morning === aisipos [~anton@dsl081-081-225.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-1478.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:53] noone? :) [09:54] no one even [09:54] nobody [09:55] hehe [09:56] netherland? [09:56] ivoks: why? [09:57] 62,8% [09:57] that's huge... [09:57] yes [09:58] so, will parliament accept that or will they vote? [09:59] The cabinet will retract the proposal [09:59] that's reasonable... === \sh [~shermann@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:59] \sh: morning [10:00] <\sh> morning [10:00] <\sh> anyone with a laptop here? [10:00] lots of the "no" voters said: "We don't dislike Europe, we just dislike this particular 'constitution' for it" [10:00] \sh: at home [10:00] <\sh> i have some serious problems with powernowd [10:00] Treenaks: i tought so... EU is fine, but constitution needs patches :) [10:01] ivoks: exactly [10:01] powernowd? [10:01] don't use that... [10:01] wait... i do :) [10:01] ivoks: FULL POWER ALL THE TIME [10:01] ivoks: uh.. wait [10:01] <\sh> so i can disable powernowd from the runlevels? [10:02] why not? [10:02] \sh: what's wrong? [10:02] <\sh> when it's fireing up, it puts my centrino cpu into 500mhz mode [10:02] heh [10:02] \sh: is it on battery? [10:03] <\sh> no :) [10:03] strange [10:03] \sh: are you sure? [10:03] <\sh> hmm...there is a cable going to the powerplug [10:03] <\sh> yeah i'm sure [10:03] cause, it starts at maximun, then drops when booting stops [10:04] <\sh> ivoks: yeah, but it's not going up again [10:04] mine is now @600 [10:04] \sh: kernel change? :) [10:04] <\sh> standard ubuntu i686 kernel [10:04] hm [10:04] <\sh> ivoks: btw...ocaml-findlib is not compiling properly [10:05] <\sh> i changed yesterday the deps for it [10:05] \sh: ? [10:05] <\sh> ivoks: your app...gdome2-cpp-smart0 or something uses it [10:05] ? [10:06] i don't have any app in ubuntu :( [10:06] i'm still not a MOTU :(( [10:06] <\sh> ivoks: u r [10:07] <\sh> ivoks: ping elmo ;) [10:07] <\sh> ok...brb [10:07] elmo: ping === wasabi [~wasabi@c-67-174-81-195.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:12] ok... [10:14] i'm doing a big system for one large company in croatia [10:14] it will be my first misson critical deployment on ubuntu :) [10:20] wb doko === chmj [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [~herzi@c182088.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.138] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:39] hi === koke [~koke@155.210.13.152] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [~herzi@d014043.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:53] <\sh> re === niran [~niran@lucianus.Stanford.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:54] <\sh> bah...only because of my taxes i had to install windows xp [11:55] <\sh> and because of an exchanged laptop mainboard the normal winxp install cd from hp is not working anymore :( === dahane [~dahane@c198037.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === susus [~sz@p5089E041.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [~ogra@p5089E041.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:43] ogra: hi dude [12:44] doko: ping? [12:44] hey [12:44] ogra: thanks for your kind words in e-mail :) [12:44]