[12:01] <Alex[RM-UK] > arent the 7167's?
[12:01] <Firetech> there are 7167, 7174 and 7664
[12:01] <Firetech> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_archive.html
[12:02] <Alex[RM-UK] > ahh, I got ATI you see so I dont know :P
[12:07] <Tm_T> hullo
[12:21] <laser_tk> Firetech, can you help me whith thous 
[12:21] <laser_tk> Nvidia drivers
[12:21] <Firetech> it's a bit hard, because you need to shutdown X...
[12:22] <laser_tk> :D
[12:22] <laser_tk> I download newest drivers and try to install them, but it say somethink my kernel
[12:22] <Firetech> so I can't help you during the process, unless you use irssi or another computer to chat...
[12:24] <Firetech> then run the following command: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[12:24] <laser_tk> i use irssi but screen is unfamilar to me jet
[12:24] <Firetech> laser_tk: you can use multiple tty's
[12:24] <laser_tk> multiple tty's?
[12:24] <Firetech> ctrl+alt+F[1-6]  are all for your disposal :)
[12:24] <laser_tk> ok
[12:24] <Firetech> you can compile in one, and chat in another
[12:26] <Firetech> the passwords won't echo when you try to login
[12:28] <Firetech> woops :)
[12:30] <AMIGrAve> is msttcorefonts in universe or in multiverse ?
[12:31] <Firetech> AMIGrAve: multiverse
[12:31] <Firetech> multiverse = non-fre
[12:31] <Firetech> *non-free
[12:32] <AMIGrAve> FireEgl: thanks
[12:32] <Firetech> laser_tk: how did it go?
[12:32] <FireEgl> You're welcome! =P
[12:32] <laser_tk> Firetech: now installing drivers
[12:32] <Firetech> laser_tk: :)
[12:33] <laser_tk> sh sudo NVIDI...?
[12:33] <laser_tk> what you say somethign apt-get install ..?
[12:33] <Firetech> laser_tk: sudo sh might work better.
[12:33] <laser_tk> somethign*
[12:33] <laser_tk> :DD
[12:33] <Firetech> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[12:34] <laser_tk> thath's right
[12:34] <Firetech> be sure you get the angled quotes...
[12:34] <Firetech> be -> make
[12:34] <Firetech> woot, he is using ipv6?
[12:36] <laser_tk> that apt-get did not to enything??
[12:37] <Firetech> then you have that package.
[12:37] <laser_tk> ok
[12:37] <Firetech> laser_tk: go to /usr/src and do an ls
[12:38] <brad> In Kde I click File Sharing and click administrator mode but it wont accept my password of the superuser, can anyone help?
[12:38] <Firetech> brad: enter your own password
[12:39] <brad> I did
[12:39] <Firetech> kubuntu uses sudo
[12:39] <laser_tk> there are only rpm
[12:39] <brad> It brings me back to where I was when I had to click Administrator mode
[12:39] <Firetech> laser_tk: give me the output of "uname -r"
[12:41] <laser_tk> 2.6.10-5-386
[12:41] <laser_tk> hey, wait a minute..
[12:42] <laser_tk> apt-get say cant find package linux when a try that apt-get..
[12:42] <Firetech> laser_tk: then do sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[12:42] <laser_tk> yes
[12:42] <laser_tk> :)
[12:43] <laser_tk> this all is new to me..
[12:45] <Firetech> brad: try deleting the folder /var/tmp/kdecache-[your-username-here] 
[12:45] <laser_tk> Firetech: can you say what diffrent is whit xorg and xfree86?
[12:46] <Firetech> laser_tk: Xorg: GPL, XFree: non-GPL
[12:46] <laser_tk> ok
[12:47] <Firetech> Xorg is a "ripoff" from Xfree, just before they changed their license
[12:47] <brad> Whats Faster?
[12:47] <laser_tk> now in /usr/src are linux-headers-2.6.10-5 and ...-386
[12:47] <DaSkreech> Firetech: You mean a fork?
[12:47] <brad> Xorg or Xfree
[12:47] <Firetech> Xfree was gpl earlier, but they changed so that you can't say you made it...
[12:47] <Firetech> DaSkreech: kind of.
[12:48] <Firetech> brad:  almost equal, I believe.
[12:48] <laser_tk> Firetech: next?
[12:49] <Firetech> laser_tk:  run: ln -s /usr/src/linux/linux-headers-5-386 /usr/src/linux
[12:49] <Firetech> then run the nvidia installer
[12:49] <laser_tk> ok
[12:51] <laser_tk> Firetech: linux-headers-5-385 or linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386?
[12:52] <Tm_T> yup
[12:52] <laser_tk> Tm_T: band from finland
[12:52] <Firetech> laser_tk: the latter, I'm stupid.
[12:52] <Tm_T> laser_tk: eh, I know
[12:52] <Tm_T> laser_tk: /whois me ;)
[12:53] <laser_tk> I know
[12:54] <Tm_T> =)
[12:54] <Tm_T> I think I really should sleep
[12:55] <Firetech> me too, but I have no school tomorrow.
[12:55] <laser_tk> Firetech: ln -s /usr/src/linux-headers..?? not /usr/src/linux/linux-hea..??
[12:55] <Firetech> laser_tk: sudo ln -s /usr/src/linux/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 /usr/src/linux
[12:56] <Firetech> is there a /usr/src/linux dir already?
[12:56] <laser_tk> no
[12:56] <Tm_T> laser_tk: btw #ubuntu-fi ;)
[12:56] <laser_tk> mkdir
[12:56] <laser_tk> :D
[12:57] <laser_tk> and now the Nvidia installer
[12:57] <Tm_T> \o/
[12:58] <NTolerance> does anyone here use an Orinoco card in Ubuntu?
[12:59] <Firetech> laser_tk:  /usr/src/linux should be a symlink to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[01:00] <laser_tk> Firetech: i run the installer and it's works
[01:00] <laser_tk> thank you
[01:00] <laser_tk> :)
[01:00] <Firetech> np
[01:00] <laser_tk> it's now telling something to update my xorg.conf
[01:01] <Firetech> now I want something in return, lear me swahili. *kidding* (i don't need anything back)
[01:01] <Firetech> laser_tk: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:01] <laser_tk> swahili..:D
[01:01] <KaiL> has this new nvidia driver anything positive?
[01:02] <Firetech> laser_tk:  then ctrl+W > "nv" > Enter
[01:02] <Firetech> add idia after "nv, and then press ctrl+O and enter.
[01:02] <KaiL> for me it only has something negative: at least one of my cards is now unsupported
[01:02] <Firetech> then "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[01:03] <Firetech> KaiL: then use 7174?
[01:03] <KaiL> you mean "stay with 7174"
[01:03] <KaiL> ...as long, as nvidia has that on their server...
[01:04] <Firetech> they have back to the first stable release...
[01:04] <laser_tk> Firetech: you mean Driver --> "nv idia"
[01:04] <laser_tk> ??
[01:04] <Firetech> no
[01:04] <Firetech> driver --> "nvidia"
[01:04] <KaiL> laser_tk: "nvidia"
[01:04] <Firetech> no space...
[01:05] <laser_tk> :DD
[01:05] <Tm_T> haha
[01:05] <Tm_T> laser_tk: \o/
[01:05] <laser_tk> that's right, i'm stupid..
[01:05] <laser_tk> lol
[01:05] <Tm_T> laser_tk: I'm 100% sure you're yankee
[01:05] <laser_tk> i must go to sleep
[01:06] <laser_tk> Tm_T: not yankee..:)
[01:06] <KaiL> Firetech: I already wanted to test something with my GF2MX400
[01:07] <laser_tk> Firetech: is thah all?
[01:07] <laser_tk> nv --> nvidia
[01:07] <KaiL> if that solves the other problems, the GTS will end in some dirty corner
[01:07] <Firetech> laser_tk: yup
[01:08] <laser_tk> thanks
[01:08] <KaiL> Firetech: comment out DRI?
[01:08] <Firetech> save it (ctrl+o) and then restart X
[01:08] <Firetech> yeah!
[01:08] <laser_tk> ok
[01:08] <Firetech> laser_tk:  do as KaiL said...
[01:08] <Tm_T> haha
[01:08] <KaiL> Load "dri", somewhere in the top of the file
[01:08] <KaiL> add an # before
[01:09] <Firetech> laser_tk: under Modules
[01:09] <Tm_T> hi KaiL 
[01:09] <KaiL> hi Tm_T 
[01:09] <Firetech> then as KaiL said, damn you :P
[01:09] <laser_tk> Section "DRI", what about it?? and # before it?
[01:10] <KaiL> that doesn't matter
[01:10] <Tm_T> laser_tk: lis # ko rivin alkuun
[01:10] <KaiL> only the load "dri"
[01:10] <Firetech> it won't be used after commenting out load dri...
[01:10] <Tm_T> yup
[01:10] <laser_tk> yup
[01:10] <laser_tk> :)
[01:10] <Tm_T> laser_tk: you got it?
[01:10] <Tm_T> good old finnish <3
[01:11] <laser_tk> helpommin sit ei voi sanoa
[01:11] <Tm_T> haha
[01:11] <laser_tk> :D
[01:11] <Tm_T> I agree =)
[01:11] <laser_tk> yup
[01:11] <philipacamaniac> Riddell
[01:11] <Tm_T> ok, I'll try to get some sleep ->
[01:11] <laser_tk> thanks to all
[01:12] <Firetech> hell, I know finnish: yxi kaxi sauna perkele (thats all.. I kind of know what the words mean too)
[01:13] <Firetech> I'm from southern Sweden...
[01:13] <Tm_T> perkele mentioned! ] ;=
[01:13] <Tm_T> fucking hilight
[01:14] <Tm_T> Firetech: yes I noticed
[01:15] <Firetech> one two sauna ~f-ck, am I right?
[01:15] <Firetech> the english word for sauna is sauna, right?
[01:17] <laser_tk> Firetech: x dosen't start..:D
[01:17] <Firetech> laser_tk: run startx
[01:18] <Firetech> what error do you get?
[01:18] <Tm_T> Firetech: perkele == devil
[01:18] <Firetech> oh... 
[01:18] <matrix> is there a reason why my console often just disappears
[01:18] <Tm_T> perkele, saatana, paholainen etc etc
[01:18] <Firetech> windows = perkele :D
[01:18] <Tm_T> it's all the same =)
[01:19] <Tm_T> Firetech: yes! ] ;=
[01:19] <Firetech> number in finnish (as in number one)?
[01:19] <laser_tk> only black screen
[01:20] <Tm_T> Firetech: you mean "numero yksi" ?
[01:20] <Firetech> I think so...
[01:20] <laser_tk> fatal IO error 104
[01:20] <Tm_T> ok
[01:20] <Tm_T> laser_tk: muhaha
[01:20] <Firetech> Linus Thorvalds = numero yksi :P
[01:20] <laser_tk> prrkeleen nvitia
[01:20] <Tm_T> =)
[01:20] <Tm_T> evo ;----P
[01:20] <Firetech> laser_tk: any explanation before that?
[01:21] <laser_tk> Tm_T: voi olla
[01:21] <Tm_T> laser_tk: hmm, you tried to apt-get that driver?
[01:22] <matrix> the konsole is still present, but doens't appear in the task bar or when switich with alt+tab
[01:22] <laser_tk> Tm_T: no
[01:23] <Tm_T> matrix: hmm, open window menu (rightclick on titlebar) adv -> special window settings ->
[01:23] <Tm_T> laser_tk: I use the ones from repositories
[01:24] <laser_tk> Firetech: something skipping /usr/.../modules/libfb.afbmmx.o No found
[01:24] <Firetech> ah
[01:24] <laser_tk> No symbol found
[01:24] <Firetech> me so stoopid
[01:25] <Firetech> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386
[01:25] <Tm_T> heh
[01:25] <Firetech> not sure if that solves it, though...
[01:25] <Tm_T> ok, I think you get it without me so I try to sleep then ->
[01:26] <Firetech> you CAN  use the nvidia-glx package instead...
[01:26] <Firetech> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386
[01:26] <laser_tk> Firetech: apt-get says .. is already newest..
[01:26] <Firetech> aah
[01:27] <Firetech> wait
[01:27] <Firetech> sudo modprobe agpgart
[01:27] <Firetech> me more stoopid.
[01:27] <matrix> Tm_T: what should i change there?
[01:27] <laser_tk> rr
[01:27] <matrix> Tm_T: i found the switch, thx
[01:28] <laser_tk> what i shall do.. sudo modprobe agpgart first
[01:28] <laser_tk> and then Firetech?
[01:29] <Firetech> do the modprobe and then try startx again
[01:29] <laser_tk> ok
[01:29] <Firetech> it doesn't matter if you do "startx" or start X another way :P
[01:32] <laser_tk> :(
[01:32] <laser_tk> not working yet
[01:33] <laser_tk> x say same error message
[01:34] <laser_tk> somthing wrong whit my xorg.conf maybe??
[01:37] <Firetech> laser_tk: can you paste your xorg.conf here: http://rafb.net/paste/ (you can start x with nv instead)
[01:37] <laser_tk> ok..
[01:37] <laser_tk> i start on nv now..
[01:39] <laser_tk> just a minute..
[01:44] <laser_tk> Firetech: http://koti.mbnet.fi/laser_tk/xorg.conf
[01:44] <Firetech> laser_tk: you didn't comment out the dri line
[01:45] <Firetech> Load       "DRI" in the beginning
[01:45] <laser_tk> :)
[01:45] <Firetech> I don't think that's the reason though...
[01:46] <Firetech> because I ran my driver with dri by mistake for a while...
[01:46] <Firetech> and I really should go to bed noe.
[01:46] <Firetech> *now
[01:46] <laser_tk> i comment Section = Dri
[01:46] <laser_tk> yep
[01:46] <Firetech> yes
[01:46] <_Simon_> hey guys, been a redhat user for ages, not a linux guru or anything, but been a linux fan for awhile. ubuntu/kubuntu has been my first decision to see what else is "out there" and I'm very impressed :) was curious if I could get a little help with XDCMP, unfortunately my redhat exclusiveness has gotten me used to file locations lol
[01:46] <laser_tk> i try somethihg
[01:46] <laser_tk> thing*
[01:47] <Tm_T> _Simon_: hmm, do you know filename you're looking for?
[01:47] <Firetech> but it's the Load "DRI" line under Section "Modules" that is important
[01:47] <laser_tk> ok
[01:47] <Tm_T> laser_tk: "look, I sleep \o/"
[01:47] <_Simon_> well that is my question, I'm trying to enable XDCMP, but in redhat it used to be in /etc/X11/xdm/something.conf I believe
[01:47] <Firetech> Tm_T: sto lying.
[01:47] <_Simon_> xdm.conf thats what it was
[01:47] <Firetech> *stop
[01:47] <_Simon_> but I cannot find this file
[01:48] <Tm_T> Firetech: I do my bes, but just can't sleep
[01:48] <laser_tk> :D
[01:48] <Firetech> well well
[01:48] <Tm_T> _Simon_: there's no xdm, you use kdm
[01:48] <Firetech> I'll try to go to sleep.
[01:48] <_Simon_> ok, where is kdm.conf?
[01:48] <Tm_T> s/bes/besat
[01:48] <_Simon_> in redhat, even though gdm.conf ran, you still had to modify xdm.conf to get XDCMP
[01:49] <Tm_T> hmm
[01:49] <Tm_T> I think kdm confs are under kde3 directory
[01:49] <_Simon_> ahh yeah /etc/kde3/kdm
[01:50] <Firetech> not kdm.conf  /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[01:51] <laser_tk> must go to sleep.. eli samma p finska nukkuu..
[01:51] <Firetech> 'nite laser_tk, 
[01:51] <_Simon_> do you know if theres a gui way to enable XDMCP or whatever its called? I know fedora had it in the login config gui
[01:51] <laser_tk> yup
[01:51] <_Simon_> I couldn't find it in the kde login config though
[01:54] <Firetech> _Simon_: what is XDCMP anyway?
[01:54] <Firetech> *XDMCP
[01:54] <_Simon_> its a way to connect to X remotely, a remote X client can connect to the X server
[01:55] <Firetech> there is a XDMCP section in the end of my /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[01:55] <_Simon_> VNC is great over internet, but lan, I find VNC very slow, remote X is almost like being on the PC itself
[01:55] <_Simon_> yup I see it
[01:55] <Firetech> Enable -> true?
[01:55] <_Simon_> yup thats what I'm going to try :)
[01:59] <Firetech> _Simon_: then do a "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart" (restart is more efficient than reload)
[02:00] <Firetech> no
[02:00] <Firetech> I was thinking about gdm
[02:00] <Firetech> "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm reload is enough.
[02:01] <Firetech> seems to be atleast.
[02:01] <Firetech> Good night.
[02:02] <_Simon_> hmm odd, I don't remember the kubuntu installer asking me for a root password, it asked me for creating a new user though
[02:02] <_Simon_> does kubuntu/ubuntu use a default password for root or something?
[02:02] <nate__> _Simon_, http://www.ubuntu.com/support/documentation/faq/root
[02:03] <nate__> _Simon_, root user's password isn't set by default
[02:03] <_Simon_> interesting, su root doesn't work though
[02:04] <_Simon_> I have to do sudo -s?
[02:05] <nate__> yep :)
[02:05] <nate__> it simplifies your life
[02:05] <Tm_T> nah
[02:05] <Tm_T> root <3
[02:06] <Firetech> be c areful, sudo -s keeps your own shell's environment variables. $HOME is still your home dir...
[02:06] <Firetech> to become real root: either "sudo su" or "sudo -i"
[02:06] <Firetech> gnite.
[02:06] <nate__> Firetech, I actually like keeping the same environment variables
[02:08] <_Simon_> night Firetech, thanks
[02:09] <_Simon_> gonna take awhile to remember sudo -s lol
[02:09] <_Simon_> I feel like such a noob, veering away from fedora/redhat has programmed me expecting where things are
[02:10] <_Simon_> curious to learn ubuntu package management, I found redhat slowly getting better but (don't flame me) compared to the windows world, installations were still a huge DEP war
[02:11] <Tm_T> _Simon_: well, debian way is the easy way ;p
[02:11] <_Simon_> I found yum and rpm much better than the old systems
[02:11] <_Simon_> but it was still difficult at times
[02:11] <Tm_T> just say apt-get install <package> and it checks dependencies and install them
[02:12] <Tm_T> _Simon_: I install apt into Fedora too, yum stinks
[02:12] <_Simon_> hrm xdcmp is still not working
[02:12] <Tm_T> =)
[02:12] <Tm_T> what is it anyway?
[02:14] <othernoob> Tm_T would you happen to know how to convert an avi to a dvd ? 
[02:14] <othernoob> or more precisely, 2 different avis to one dvd, with an option to choose ..
[02:14] <Tm_T> othernoob: can't help now, I try to sleep again ;( ->
[02:14] <othernoob> lol okay
[02:27] <__Simon> hey, sorry to bother, I'm swapping monitor between my 2 machines lol
[02:27] <__Simon> can't seem to get remote X to work, I rebooted the box even
[02:27] <__Simon> anyone use XDMCP before?
[02:28] <__Simon> I know in fedora when I modified gdm.conf it didn't work, I had to edit xdm.conf
[02:28] <__Simon> is there a xdm.conf in ubuntu?
[02:34] <__Simon> anyon ehave any ideas?
[02:40] <__Simon> is there a gui services  program?
[02:47] <__Simon> can anyone help me out please?
[02:49] <__Simon> this is upsetting me, I can't even get sshd to work
[03:21] <_Simon_> please can someone help me with kdm and XDMCP?
[03:25] <Riddell> _Simon_: you need to edit /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc and possibly /etc/kde3/kdm/Xaccess
[03:25] <_Simon_> I did both
[03:26] <_Simon_> I enabled XDMCP in kdmrc
[03:26] <_Simon_> I uncommented the chooser line in Xaccess
[03:26] <_Simon_> still nothing
[03:26] <_Simon_> it was super easy in fedora, wonder what is wrong
[03:27] <Riddell> _Simon_: I'm afraid I've never used it
[03:27] <_Simon_> sigh
[03:27] <_Simon_> this is making me feel like a moron, took me 2 seconds to enable it on all my redhat distros. I wish I knew what was wrong
[03:29] <_Simon_> ahh got it, had to comment out 2 lines in Xaccess
[03:31] <_Simon_> yay finally hehe thanks Riddell
[03:31] <digby> what is XDCMP?
[03:31] <_Simon_> its a UDP chooser protocol for remote X
[03:31] <digby> ah
[03:32] <_Simon_> you run a X client that supports XDMCP, and you get like a list of PC's on your network
[03:32] <_Simon_> and you click one and connect
[03:32] <digby> cool
[03:32] <digby> if I had more than one computer, I'd have to play with that...haha
[03:32] <_Simon_> well my linux box is my dev machine, so I have no monitor, I like remote X since its so fast
[03:33] <_Simon_> and I'm deciding for the first time in years, to try another distro than fedora/redhat
[03:33] <digby> I haven't even been using linux for a year, really
[03:33] <_Simon_> cool
[03:34] <digby> getting the bugs ironed out slowly... lots of fun doing it, though
[03:35] <_Simon_> curious why theres no icons on the kubuntu desktop by default hehe
[03:35] <_Simon_> ops kicker crashed
[03:37] <digby> you know anything about running gtk apps in kde?
[03:38] <_Simon_> not really, as long as you have GTK installed it should work I think
[03:38] <digby> well, they work, I just can't get sound out of gaim
[03:40] <sproingie> _Simon_: there's a brutally minimalist philosophy about the kubuntu desktop
[03:41] <sproingie> even moves the trash off the desktop
[03:41] <_Simon_> yeah I see that lol
[03:41] <sproingie> i do wish it had a better set of kicker icons
[03:41] <sproingie> like the home folder
[03:41] <_Simon_> not sure whats wrong though, kicker keeps crashing :(
[03:42] <sproingie> not running breezy are you?
[03:42] <_Simon_> whats breezy?
[03:42] <digby> ah
[03:43] <digby> breezy is the dev version of ubuntu
[03:44] <_Simon_> nope running hoary or however ya spell it
[03:44] <digby> I think it's set to be released in 5 months or so
[03:45] <_Simon_> something definately wrong
[03:45] <_Simon_> wonder if remote X with KDE is very buggy or something
[03:49] <_Simon_> hoping to get this system stable, I'm eager to do some C# testing on linux :)
[04:01] <mrmanic> hey transgress 
[04:29] <_Church_of_Foamy> where is sources.list located?
[04:34] <Riddell> _Church_of_Foamy: /etc/apt
[04:35] <_Church_of_Foamy> thanx man
[04:35] <_Church_of_Foamy> my vid card blew up today :(
[04:35] <_Church_of_Foamy> had to redo kubuntu
[05:11] <_Church_of_Foamy> how to install skype?
[05:37] <SpookyET> Something funny happened today.
[05:38] <SpookyET> I was accused of pirating linux because I asked about Suse's 5cds on BitTorrent.
[05:42] <_Simon_> ok so I did an apt-get install on automake, and I also got automake1.9, apt-get says I have both
[05:43] <_Simon_> but when I do automake --version it says 1.4
[05:43] <_Simon_> how do I get it to upgrade 1.4 with 1.9? it says I have both, wtf? lol
[05:45] <pussfeller> what plays nsv
[05:45] <pussfeller> nullsoft video streams
[05:58] <_Church_of_Foamy> how do i install skype?
[06:17] <rogerhc> New to kubuntu (and ubuntu), installs nicely. How do I open my ssh port 22? Suggestions (I'd like to keep it simple but don't know where to start)?
[06:32] <brandonn> rogerhc: do you have sshd installed?
[06:34] <rogerhc> locate sshd finds only one file, a config file. So I think I probably don't have sshd installed.
[06:35] <brandonn> install openssh-server
[06:35] <brandonn> unless you have a firewall running, that should be all you need to do
[06:36] <rogerhc> brandonn: thanks! trying it now. :-)
[06:37] <brandonn> you'll probably also want openssh-client so that you can ssh to other machines
[06:40] <rogerhc> brandonn: thanks. openssh-client is already installed as port of the stardard kubuntu installation. thanks though.
[06:41] <roque> solo servir internet por ahora
[06:45] <rogerhc> brandonn: ssh is working now. Thanks. While looking for a way to get this working I read on the Web that Ubuntu has by default all ports closed to inbound requests. Do you know if this is so?
[06:48] <brandonn> hmm, I wouldn't think that is so unless you have a firewall, but, as you can see, I don't think it has very many services running by default
[06:50] <rogerhc> brandonn: ah, not many services running by default, maybe that's it. Didn't think to install the ssh server. Glad you are here! :-) Where can I see a list of every service my system has running?
[06:51] <rogerhc> Yes, I now recall reading on the Web that because no services are running by default there need not be any default firewall.
[06:51] <brandonn> netstat -at |grep LISTEN
[06:54] <rogerhc> Thanks. That shows some stuff listening to local.host and the now running ssh. Is there a default location/file where I can configure what I want running?
[06:55] <rogerhc> Obviously I have to install the related servers if they are not installed. And that is a separate step that would come first.
[06:56] <brandonn> yeah, let me check, I know how to do it by hand, but I'm sure there i sa better way
[06:59] <rogerhc> Is there a config file for it? (GUIs are helpful sometimes but I like to know where the real config file is, even if I don't know the syntax well enough yet to do it by hand.)
[07:03] <brandonn> well, all services are started out of /etc/rc*.d  (usually /etc/rc2.d)
[07:03] <brandonn> you'll see a bunch of scripts in there that start with S, to disable one, just change the name to start with "s"
[07:07] <rogerhc> brandonn: Okay, I understand that. And those are links to stuff in /etc/init.d. Do I need to mess at all with inetd.conf?
[07:08] <brandonn> it's possible, but fewer and fewer services are started out of inetd
[07:09] <rogerhc> Ah, that is good. I don't understand the format of inetd.conf and it's man page didn't help me understand it much. So I will try to ignore inetd.conf! :-)
[07:12] <brandonn> well, basically any service you don't want started out of inetd.conf, put a # in front of it
[07:12] <brandonn> although there may not be anything in your inetd.conf by default, mine has identd in it, but I think I installed that myself
[07:13] <rogerhc> hm, I think they *all* had an # in front of it by default. So maybe I need to mess in there (remove the # where appropriate) sometimes?
[07:16] <brandonn> looking at mine, it looks like the only thing in there are comments, it won't install any service lines until you install that service
[07:16] <brandonn> by default when you install a package, the service line in inetd.conf is not commented out
[07:18] <rogerhc> so, in theory, I would have to go into inetd.conf and uncomment something, say ssh (which is not listed but may be part of one of the listed groups, I'd guess)..
[07:19] <rogerhc> after I install the relevant server
[07:27] <brandonn> no, you wouldn't, by defaut when you install a server, it is enabled
[07:27] <brandonn> however, very few servers are installed by default
[07:30] <Tezkah> I just loaded up the MEPIS liveCD
[07:30] <Tezkah> it started up an apache web server
[07:31] <rogerhc> brandonn: thanks for helping. I understand this more now. thanks! :-)
[07:34] <brandonn> no problem, glad I could help
[07:37] <hussam> hey people
[07:38] <Tezkah> hi person
[07:38] <hussam> I'm getting a cannot talk to Klauncher messege at logout ( I'm not exactly sure of the exact message )
[07:38] <hussam> what does it mean?
[10:00] <mamix> Hi all
[10:17] <laser_tk> I get "Segmentation fault" error message when I try to start xmms or mplayer. yesterday they works just fine
[10:24] <verden01> how do i configure kde to highlight the name of the application in the task bar?
[10:25] <verden01> when you run the mouse over it
[10:54] <nxv_> i can't use dovcote, i start it by /etc/init.d/dovecot start but can't connect to it with kmail and nmap does't show a running imapserver
[10:54] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hey,
[10:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > When I installed Kubuntu, I wasn't ask at any stage on what packages I wanted to install. Is there a way of selecting what paclages are installed?
[10:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > To choose them to install I mean
[10:55] <MichaelDiederich> you can stop the guide at some point, but i am not sure where
[10:56] <MichaelDiederich> by pressing CTRL+C
[10:56] <Alex[RM-UK] > Oh you can stop it automayicly going to the next one?
[10:56] <MichaelDiederich> the installer will stop, you can boot but no X is installed.. I just got this by try&error once, so i don't sure
[10:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > ahh right,
[10:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > I did click the GO BACK option on one of the sections, and it took me to the main screen
[10:57] <gdh> Alex[RM-UK] : Why not let the installer run, then add new packages /afterwards/ ?
[10:57] <MichaelDiederich> i think, he will not have all installed
[10:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > Yeh I know, but I am not sure what half the packages installed are :P
[10:57] <gdh> the whole point of the installer was to ask the bare minimum of questions possible for the best user experience :)
[10:58] <gdh> Use kynaptic to see the installed ones, or 'dpkg -l'
[10:58] <Alex[RM-UK] > I know, but an option on what to install would be great 
[10:58] <Alex[RM-UK] > Yeh im doing that now.....but to uninstall indeverdual packages i's asking me to uninstall like KDE multimedia
[10:59] <gdh> kdemultimedia will be a metapackage
[10:59] <Alex[RM-UK] > I right click Amarok and Juk to uninstall, then it wants to remove KDE Desktop
[10:59] <gdh> it will not do any harm to remove it
[10:59] <gdh> it won't suddenly remove all your music players etc.
[10:59] <Alex[RM-UK] > no, but there are some parts of multimedia I want
[10:59] <Alex[RM-UK] > oh, so it will only get rid of Amarok?
[10:59] <gdh> it will only remove the packages you've asked it to
[11:00] <Alex[RM-UK] > it automayicly selects other packages that I dont want to uninstall though
[11:00] <Alex[RM-UK] > some of them wanted to remove kdebase :S
[11:00] <gdh> If it really were going to remove all the packages installed by 'kdemultimedia' then it would remove  akode (>= 4:3.3.2-1), artsbuilder (>= 4:3.3.2-1), juk (>= 4:3.3.2-1), kaboodle (>= 4:3.3.2-1), kaudiocreator (>= 4:3.3.2-1), kdemultimedia-kappfinder-data etc.
[11:00] <gdh> (pasted from my Debian machine, but the logic is the same)
[11:01] <gdh> You must have chosen something pretty fundamental to remove if it wanted to remove kdebase :)
[11:01] <Alex[RM-UK] > I see what you mean
[11:01] <Alex[RM-UK] > ok let me see if this works
[11:02] <Alex[RM-UK] > well, I@m still alive :P
[11:02] <gdh> :)
[11:04] <Firetech> Alex[RM-UK] : you can do the server installation, that won't give you any unneeded packages (not even X, tough...)
[11:04] <Alex[RM-UK] > then to get KDE I type at console apt-get KDE ?
[11:05] <Alex[RM-UK] > nah actually, I'll stick with removing things
[11:07] <Alex[RM-UK] > whats a TNEF viewer?
[11:08] <gdh> It's for the shit attachments that MS Outlook generates
[11:08] <gdh> ever had an email with 'WINMAIL.DAT' attached?
[11:08] <Alex[RM-UK] > oh right, wont be needing that then
[11:08] <Alex[RM-UK] > yeh I have
[11:08] <gdh> that's what the TNEF viewer lets you view
[11:08] <Alex[RM-UK] > oh right, 
[11:08] <Alex[RM-UK] > I'll get rid of that then
[11:12] <Alex[RM-UK] > I odnt need a PPP dialer if im on a LAN do i?
[11:13] <gdh> nop.
[11:14] <Alex[RM-UK] > good, thats goign to the bin aswell lol
[11:16] <Alex[RM-UK] > Why would anyone want a Fortune Cookie on there PC?!
[11:18] <gdh> Choice :)
[11:18] <Alex[RM-UK] > lol
[11:21] <Alex[RM-UK] > By the way, you dont know the Link to SERVICES on Konquoror do you? I want a icon on the desktop that goes to it
[11:24] <gdh> Alex[RM-UK] : er, is it not just services:/ ?
[11:25] <Alex[RM-UK] > no, it comes up with Protocol not supported
[11:26] <gdh> dunno what 'services' is then.. my Kub machine is at home
[11:26] <Alex[RM-UK] > ahh, ok no worries
[11:27] <Alex[RM-UK] > Next task...getting surround sound working
[11:41] <Tm_T> hi kids
[11:41] <Alex[RM-UK] > hello
[11:42] <gdh> morn'
[11:43] <nxv_> how to automaticaly start dovcote at startup? staring dovcote wiht /usr/sbin/dovcote works /etc/init.d/dovecot start does't
[11:43] <nxv_> doesn't
[11:43] <gdh> perhaps edit /etc/default/dovecot if it exists?
[11:44] <gdh> I'd reckon there'll be a clue in there.
[11:44] <Tm_T> why not to add link to ~/kde/Autostart/
[11:44] <gdh> Tm_T: Wouldn't that only start the server when you log in?
[11:45] <Tm_T> what is dovecot anyway?
[11:45] <nxv_> and i guess to start it by init.d is cleaner
[11:45] <nxv_> very simple imap server
[11:45] <Tm_T> ah ok
[11:45] <Tm_T> then it should be in init
[11:45] <gdh> Some rate it higher than courier.. <shrug> :)
[11:46] <nxv_> gdh: i love it because of it's simple way of setting up an account, just add a new user to my linux box and the same account can be used for imap
[11:46] <nxv_> by default encrypted connection only, without any further configuration
[11:47] <gdh> nxv_: Cool :)
[11:47] <Alex[RM-UK] > How can I get the New Kopete (0.10.1) with Kynaptic....it isnt there
[11:48] <nxv_> how do i send an usbharddisk to sleep
[11:48] <Alex[RM-UK] > tranquliser
[11:49] <Tm_T> Alex[RM-UK] : hmm, do you have the new repositories in your sources.list ?
[11:49] <Alex[RM-UK] > I click the button to get the new list
[11:49] <Tm_T> ...
[11:49] <Tm_T> I hate gui, I really do now
[11:49] <Alex[RM-UK] > lol
[11:49] <Alex[RM-UK] > :)
[11:49] <gdh> Is there much in KDE 3.4.1 worth bothering about?
[11:50] <Tm_T> gdh: yes
[11:50] <gdh> tons of fixes or useful new features?
[11:50] <gdh> or both I suppose :)
[11:50] <Tm_T> little bit both
[11:50] <gdh> k, will check out the changelogs
[11:51] <Alex[RM-UK] > So is there no way I can get it? or can I install from source ?
[11:51] <Tm_T> Alex[RM-UK] : I think yes
[11:51] <gdh> hm, kde.org are advising deb http://download.kde.org/stable/3.4.1/kubuntu hoary-updates main - is the source in the /topic a better choice or just a mirror?
[11:51] <Tm_T> Alex[RM-UK] : check topic
[11:51] <Alex[RM-UK] > what topic?
[11:51] <Tm_T> gdh: topic
[11:52] <gdh> righto
[11:52] <Tm_T> Alex[RM-UK] : top of the window in the channel ;)
[11:52] <gdh> Alex[RM-UK] : If you can't see it, you can try just typing ...   /topic
[11:52] <Alex[RM-UK] > check the FAG out?
[11:53] <Alex[RM-UK] > FAQ*
[11:53] <Tm_T> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main
[11:53] <Tm_T> ok?
[11:53] <Tm_T> and there was another one too
[11:54] <Tm_T> deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main
[11:54] <gdh> I guess amu's live ISO is with 3.4.1 pre-rolled?
[11:54] <laser_tk> prr, when I installe newest NVidia drivers, xmms and mplayer dosen't work.. I get Segmentation fault error message everytime
[11:55] <Tm_T> laser_tk: whhoa
[11:55] <MichaelDiederich> laser_tk: on my system, just konquerer quits every some minute :/
[11:56] <laser_tk> hmm
[12:04] <Alex[RM-UK] > ahhh shit
[12:04] <laser_tk> Ubuntu forum: I managed to fix the problem by installing an older version of the nvidia drivers. Thanks for your help.
[12:04] <Alex[RM-UK] > guys i've f*ked my sound up
[12:04] <Jimi`> hello
[12:04] <Alex[RM-UK] > I turn it on now, and the music plays but there is a loud whistling noise coming out of my speakers
[12:05] <Jimi`> hello _P_P
[12:05] <Jimi`> dorry
[12:05] <Jimi`> sorry
[12:05] <Jimi`> hello _P_
[12:06] <Tm_T> laser_tk: hmm, did I mentioned drivers from repositories?
[12:09] <laser_tk> Tm_T: liian paljon liian vaikeita sanoja..:D
[12:09] <Tm_T> haha
[12:10] <Tm_T> laser_tk: "apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-dev nvidia-settings"
[12:10] <Tm_T> easy enough?
[12:10] <laser_tk> yep
[12:12] <laser_tk> Tm_T: now, restart x and try if they works?
[12:13] <Tm_T> yup
[12:20] <laser_tk> Tm_T: dosen't work
[12:20] <Tm_T> hmm
[12:20] <Tm_T> reboot and try again
[12:23] <Opt|on> me too
[12:23] <Opt|on> bye
[12:23] <laser_tk> i try it too
[12:23] <Tm_T> =)
[12:23] <laser_tk> tried*
[12:23] <laser_tk> or something
[12:24] <Tm_T> yeah
[12:24] <Tm_T> hmm, try #ubuntu-fi
[12:24] <laser_tk> freenode?
[12:24] <Tm_T> yes
[12:55] <nkour> hello kde users :)
[12:55] <nkour> does kde-friendly distros distribute librsvg? [so gtk have load svg?] 
[01:05] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hi
[01:06] <Alex[RM-UK] > alot of the latest softwareversion are not in Kynaptic. like Firefox, Thunderbird, Kopete
[01:06] <Alex[RM-UK] > there all the old version, even know I have ran the upadte list
[01:06] <gdh> well, the newest FF is 1.0.2-<something>
[01:07] <gdh> newest in Hoary...
[01:07] <MichaelDiederich> thats 1.0.4 in "wrong" version coding
[01:07] <Tm_T> yyea
[01:07] <gdh> the idea is a stable release is that - stable in terms of features and changes..
[01:07] <Alex[RM-UK] > newest firefox is 1.0.4
[01:07] <gdh> the only changes allowed in are security fixes and major bugfixes.
[01:07] <Alex[RM-UK] > and Kopete 10.0.1 isnt there
[01:07] <Alex[RM-UK] > thunderbird is old to,
[01:08] <gdh> Alex[RM-UK] : you've missed the point then :)
[01:08] <Alex[RM-UK] > ?
[01:08] <gdh> If you must absolutely always have the latest bleeding edge version, Hoary is the wrong distribution for you :)
[01:08] <MichaelDiederich> Alex[RM-UK] : read the notice at http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/upgrade/?application=firefox
[01:08] <gdh> good luck with ubuntu breezy or debian sid.. or gentoo :)
[01:09] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hoary? I run Kubuntu
[01:09] <MichaelDiederich> gdh: debian sid is stable..
[01:09] <gdh> Kubuntu 5.04 is codename 'Hoary Hedgehog'
[01:09] <gdh> MichaelDiederich: Don't confuse the poor lad any more, please :))
[01:09] <MichaelDiederich> gdh: it is called unstable, but it works stable
[01:10] <Alex[RM-UK] > O.o
[01:10] <gdh> MichaelDiederich: No, I mean stable in terms of changes, not as in 'doesn't segfault'
[01:10] <nxv_> how to send an usbharddisk to standby
[01:10] <Alex[RM-UK] > tranquliser
[01:10] <MichaelDiederich> hrhr :)
[01:10] <gdh> No dist should ever segfault.
[01:11] <gdh> i.e. I mean 'stable' in the Debian sense :)
[01:11] <Alex[RM-UK] > whats segfault
[01:11] <gdh> crash
[01:11] <Alex[RM-UK] > ah
[01:12] <killefiz> nxv_: not at all
[01:13] <nxv_> killefiz: no way :( ?
[01:15] <killefiz> nxv_: for some harddrives you can use a manufacturer tool to set up an idle timeout that will put it to sleep. But to set the timeout you'll need to connect the hdd via pata ...
[01:44] <mikl> my webserver can't find smarty.class.php, even though I have the package installed...
[02:03] <mikl> Apache is such a bitch
[02:15] <gdh> Anyone here can tell me how much per minute it is to call a '0180' national-rate number from Germany?
[02:17] <amu> depends which oneyou want call, there are different 0180 0180-01 0180-3 0180-5  
[02:18] <gdh> ah.. it's 0180-500....
[02:18] <amu> 12Cent / Minute
[02:19] <gdh> is that fixed 24 hr or changes daytime/evening?
[02:19] <amu> fixed rate 24/7/365
[02:19] <gdh> amu: Thankyou :)
[02:23] <amu> gdh: price is, if you call such the number inside germany, there can be additional fees if you call outside .de 
[02:23] <MichaelDiederich> sure 12cent? i thought higher
[02:23] <gdh> amu: Certainly.. we have national-rate numbers in many euro countries.. we just needed the pricing info for display on the website :)
[02:24] <amu> http://www.tariftip.de/rubrik/11783/2/0180-Nummern.htm
[03:43] <jkeel> how do you get kdesdk with Kubuntu? it's not in the kynaptic
[03:43] <jkeel> program
[03:49] <mindspin> have you enabled universe in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[03:49] <mindspin> maybe it's there
[03:55] <jkeel> mindspin: thanks, I'll try that
[03:56] <jkeel> mindspin: is that relatively safe?
[03:57] <gdh> safer than most of the shit on download.com anyway :)
[03:57] <Tm_T> hullo
[03:57] <jkeel> lol
[03:57] <jkeel> hi
[03:57] <mindspin> that#s a good question
[03:58] <Tm_T> universe is as safe as restricted is
[03:58] <gdh> jkeel: I'd place Universe at 'safe'.
[03:58] <mindspin> but I enabled it cause some prgrams were not avaiable otherwise
[03:59] <jkeel> gdh: is there anything you have to do to enable universe besides uncomment lines in sources.list
[03:59] <jkeel> ?
[03:59] <jkeel> gdh: will apt-get install kdesdk search in universe?
[03:59] <gdh> once you enable the line and run apt-get update
[04:00] <gdh> then it will take universe into consideration in /any/ apt-get operation
[04:01] <jkeel> ok
[04:05] <slow-motion> hello
[04:06] <gdh> Hi :)
[04:07] <slow-motion> the new version of kde is nice. i only feel any differences
[04:07] <othernoob> anyone know a program which will turn 2 avis into a dvd + menus ?
[04:34] <ubuntu> hello
[04:36] <ubuntu> portugal
[04:37] <Tm_T> yikes
[04:38] <ubuntu> any portuguese 
[04:39] <gdh> Tm_T: LOL 
[04:39] <gdh> (yes, I did actually laugh) :)
[04:39] <Tm_T> haha
[04:40] <ubuntu> bem isto sem portugueses no vale
[04:40] <Tm_T> hare hare vaa itelles
[04:47] <jjesse> can i order a kubuntu CD from shipit?
[04:48] <gdh> nop.
[04:48] <gdh> only ubuntu.
[04:52] <Tm_T> but it's all the same
[04:54] <slow-motion> except kubuntu installs kde and ubuntu gnome
[04:55] <Tm_T> yeah
[04:55] <Tm_T> but you can install KDE afterwards
[04:59] <dooglio> so far, i'm digging [k] ubuntu
[05:05] <hussam> anybody's successfully installed new Nvidia driver from Nvidia.com?
[05:08] <Tm_T> nope
[05:08] <Tm_T> I'm happy with the one from repositories
[05:11] <slow-motion> is kde running better when you have an nvidia card and nvidia drivers?
[05:12] <Tm_T> hmm, no difference if I use only 2d stuff
[05:13] <slow-motion> i dont use any 3d stuff too
[05:13] <Tm_T> well, there's sometimes some GL stuff and then nvidia drviers help alot
[05:14] <hussam> the only 3d thing I run is xscreensaver screensavers.
[05:14] <gdh> unless you want to sit and watch glxgears all day, there's not much point in bothering :)
[05:14] <gdh> aye, the 'reallyslick' GL stuff is mesmerising :)
[05:14] <Tm_T> tuxracer \o/
[05:15] <hussam> hey, I compiled xfce 4.2.2 with composite enabled on Kubuntu. but I get no shadows nor transparancy. I know I configured xorg.conf correctly because shadows and transparancy word on my kde 3.4.1. what could be wrong?
[05:35] <dooglio> because the nvidia driver doesn't work with software suspend
[05:35] <dooglio> or, rather, prevents it from working
[05:35] <dooglio> plus, on my laptop, the only nvidia cs driver that works is version 6111
[05:35] <dooglio> i also have to build a custom kernel to run it
[05:50] <hussam> anybody here's ran vmware for Linux before?
[05:51] <hussam> is vmware robust or slow?
 is vmware robust or slow? < does he mean me?
[05:58] <hussam> slow-motion: in performance I mean
[05:59] <slow-motion> i know
[05:59] <hussam> slow-motion: oh I see lol
[05:59] <hussam> that was funny
[06:22] <Tm_T> hullo kkathman 
[06:39] <yourghetek> i have a very sick sources.list
[06:42] <yourghetek> here is my sources.list and my apt-get update printout, please help http://pastebin.com/294675
[06:43] <MichaelDiederich> comment the backports
[06:43] <MichaelDiederich> and for the key, moment
[06:43] <SpookyET> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org down
[06:44] <yourghetek> and the marillat?
[06:45] <yourghetek> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[06:45] <runelind> I'm having troubles finding the flashplayer-mozilla package
[06:45] <runelind> I added the universe repository
[06:45] <runelind> is it someplace else?
[06:45] <MichaelDiederich> yourghetek: on ubuntuguide.org is a instruction for finding and adding the key
[06:46] <yourghetek> will look
[06:46] <yourghetek> thanks
[06:48] <runelind> oh, looks like it is in the multiverse repository...
[06:49] <SpookyET> Was anyone able to install mono 1.1.6?
[06:56] <Eliteforce> how to change the fonts (anti aliasing ...) in eclipse?
[06:56] <kab00m> hi folks
[06:57] <Eliteforce> hi
[06:57] <kab00m> does kubuntu run on a 300 mhz celeron with 64 mb ram?
[06:57] <kab00m> i couldnt find anything about minimum requirements on the website
[06:59] <dooglio> is there a way to get opengl to at least do software rendering?
[06:59] <dooglio> I *don't* want to run the nvidia cs driver
[07:09] <dooglio> ah
[07:10] <dooglio> found it!
[07:10] <dooglio> install: mesag3 package
[07:13] <slow-motion> when i choose mplayer im kynaptic, then the paket wont be shown as selected. but it select the depencies. can i safely install mplayer or is mplayer broken and it only installs the dependencies?
[07:14] <dooglio> it will tell you exactly what it will do
[07:15] <dooglio> where did you get the mplayer APT source, by the way?
[07:17] <dooglio> ah
[07:17] <dooglio> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MplayerInstallHowto/view?searchterm=mplayer
[07:17] <slow-motion> i dont know where the source is
[07:20] <dooglio> must be in the multiverse
[07:21] <dooglio> just install, for example, mplayer-586
[07:21] <dooglio> in my case, i'm downloading mplayer-k7
[07:21] <slow-motion> it says some dependencies missing
[07:21] <slow-motion> in aptitude
[07:21] <dooglio> hrm
[07:22] <dooglio> did you put the sources in exactly as the howto above shows?
[07:22] <dooglio> because it's working okay for me
[07:22] <dooglio> at least, it is downloading correctly
[07:22] <slow-motion> i think i did it
[07:22] <slow-motion> and where the hell is the normal mplayer paket?
[07:22] <dooglio> aptitude is your friend
[07:22] <slow-motion> no
[07:23] <slow-motion> my enemy at the moment
[07:23] <dooglio> heh
[07:23] <slow-motion> it wont show me the normal mplayer paket
[07:24] <dooglio> do you want the non-gui version?
[07:24] <slow-motion> no
[07:24] <dooglio> you have to select the version which is right for your processor
[07:25] <dooglio> ah, i see the w32codecs are unavailable
[07:25] <dooglio> i guess  you have to download these by hand from the mplayer site
[07:26] <dooglio> www.mplayerhq.hu
[07:26] <slow-motion> the w32codecs are available
[07:26] <slow-motion> the thing what not available is, is mplayer
[07:27] <dooglio> uh
[07:27] <dooglio> it see it in the sources
[07:27] <Eliteforce> does somebody know how to set the font in gtk/gnome for eclipse? i use kde
[07:28] <dooglio> mplayer-k7
[07:28] <dooglio> for example
[07:28] <dooglio> or mplayer-386
[07:32] <slow-motion> at first i want to know why aptitude wont find the normal mplayer paket
[07:33] <othernoob> how do i change the permission of files?
[07:35] <Curalton> in konqueror rightclick and permissions tab
[07:51] <Eliteforce> hi, what package do i need in order to run gnome-font-properties?
[07:53] <philipacamaniac> capplets (configuration applets for GNOME)
[08:14] <Soyburg> hello, I just got mail from Anacron with the subject "Anacron job 'cron.daily' on kubuntu" and the message said:
[08:14] <Soyburg> /etc/cron.daily/slocate:
[08:14] <Soyburg> /etc/cron.daily/slocate: line 12:  8956 Segmentation fault      /usr/bin/updatedb
[08:14] <administrator> whats that link for the kdelibs script fix?
[08:14] <Soyburg> What does it mean and how do I get rid off it?
[08:17] <nakata> Soyburg: it's attempting to update the cached list of files on your filesystem using updatedb
[08:17] <nakata> updatedb is crashing
[08:18] <nakata> if you never use the 'locate' command, and really want to get rid of updatedb, i suggest removing that updatedb call from your anacron config and replacing your 'locate' calls with 'find' calls, which is slower and more intensive
[08:18] <nakata> otherwise, i would suggest checking why updatedb is crashing
[08:18] <Soyburg> how can I do so?  any hints?
[08:18] <nakata> 1) partially mounted filesystem, 2) corrupt filesystem, 3) lack of RAM (swap), 4) too many damn files (see 3)
[08:19] <nakata> hmmm....
[08:19] <nakata> well, first off, run it in gdb
[08:19] <Soyburg> hmmm... ram was rather filled up (like 95% out of 1 GB), would that qualify as a reason?
[08:19] <ubuntu> kubuntu is great
[08:19] <nakata> ~$ gdb /usr/bin/updatedb
[08:19] <nakata> > run
[08:19] <nakata> maybe, if you have no swap set up
[08:20] <Soyburg> I do have a swap partition.
[08:20] <TheZanke[Ubuntu] > how can i set up a mailserver and  use it from another computer?
[08:21] <Soyburg> warning: updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: Permission denied
[08:21] <Soyburg> fatal error: updatedb: You are not authorized to create a default slocate database!
[08:21] <Soyburg> Program exited with code 01.
[08:21] <Soyburg> Should I run it as su?
[08:21] <nakata> sure
[08:21] <Soyburg> ok
[08:22] <Soyburg> 7 x (no debugging symbols found)
[08:22] <Soyburg> but nothing else
[08:22] <Tezkah> abiword just wont open
[08:22] <Tezkah> just has a frozen ghost splash screen
[08:22] <Tezkah> won't go away unless I reboot
[08:22] <Soyburg> Program exited normally.
[08:22] <Tezkah> ditto openoffice
[08:23] <Soyburg> thanks for telling me about gdb nakata.  I always suspected there was a debugger on board, but I never found or used it. :)
[08:25] <nakata> hmm
[08:25] <Soyburg> nakata: Would you have any idea where I should look for the "line 12" bit of the error message?  Or is that in cron.daily? (which would probably just the invocation of slocate?)
[08:25] <nakata> no symbols, that's a pain.
[08:25] <nakata> here, try this:
[08:26] <nakata> apt-get source -b slocate
[08:26] <nakata> in /tmp
[08:26] <nakata> wait
[08:26] <nakata> scratch that idea
[08:26] <nakata> too complex
[08:26] <nakata> rather, i'll do it, it requires some tweaks
[08:26] <Soyburg> probably more than one file?
[08:26] <Soyburg> ok, thanks
[08:26] <nakata> i already have the dev tools
[08:27] <nakata> well, no, it's just a procedure
[08:27] <nakata> i'm assuming you don't do much programming, so i'll whip it up
[08:27] <Soyburg> I actually don't.  Just a perl script once or twice a month, but no C or anything fancy.
[08:28] <nakata> hehe no prob
[08:28] <Soyburg> And have I mentioned that I really appreciate your help?
[08:28] <nakata> it's all kevin lindsay's fault
[08:28] <nakata> he's the maintainer :P
[08:28] <Soyburg> kevin who?
[08:28] <Soyburg> ok :)
[08:28] <nakata> nah, nobody ever appreciates free help, they're used to tech support
[08:29] <nakata> so i'm bitter and nasty
[08:29] <Soyburg> lol
[08:29] <nakata> but i'm tired of work
[08:29] <nakata> so i'm here instead :)
[08:30] <Soyburg> Ok, if you don't have a strong urge to do it, then please enjoy your time off work.  I would feel guilty (what with the weekend at hand) to keep you from having a good time.  In here :)
[08:31] <nakata> no no, i'm at the office
[08:31] <nakata> on the clock
[08:31] <nakata> anyway
[08:31] <nakata> http://foxmoxie.com/daniel/slocate_2.7-4_i386.deb
[08:31] <nakata> download that, then as root do: dpkg -x <path to file> /
[08:31] <nakata> or just: dpkg -i <path to file>
[08:31] <nakata> then run updatedb through gdb again
[08:32] <Soyburg> will do
[08:32] <nakata> bbias, gotta make a deposit
[08:32] <Soyburg> ok
[08:35] <nakata> how'd it go?
[08:35] <nakata> did it state anything more interesting?
[08:36] <Soyburg> sorry, I just downloaded it (neither konversation nor konqueror would download it, as it is a binary file, but firefox did)
[08:36] <nakata> web browsers are handy that way
[08:37] <Soyburg> Starting program: /usr/bin/updatedb
[08:37] <Soyburg> Program exited normally.
[08:37] <Soyburg> took only about 1 second (maybe less), so no, there is nothing interesting.  sorry.
[08:38] <Soyburg> what would happen if I kicked slocate out of the daily.cron list?
[08:38] <philipacamaniac> searching wouldn't work so well
[08:38] <Soyburg> would my system then stop to update its list of files present?
[08:38] <Soyburg> ah ok.
[08:38] <philipacamaniac> find would still work, but locate would be out of date
[08:40] <Soyburg> but I guess it's not just my own searching on the console, but all applications that try to utilise slocate, that would then get slower.
[08:41] <Soyburg> wow, a thunderstorm has just started.
[08:41] <thoreauputic> Soyburg: if updatedb is only taking a second, either you have a very fast comp, a very small amount on your hard drive, or something is wrong
[08:42] <Soyburg> the cpu is an athlon 2500 but I have about 50 GB of data.
[08:42] <gdh> once you've run it once, updatedb will hold everything in RAM...
[08:42] <gdh> if you have a gig of ram... it's easy to do in a second
[08:42] <Soyburg> ok, that would explain the fast second pass.
[08:42] <Soyburg> I do have one gig of ram
[08:42] <thoreauputic> ah, a second pass - OK
[08:43] <Soyburg> the first pass took about 12 to 15 seconds
[08:44] <Soyburg> I figure I will just ignore the error message and if it doesn't come up any time soon, I'll leave the system as is.
[08:45] <Soyburg> thank you so much for your help nakata and you too philipacamaniac and thoreauputic 
[08:47] <thoreauputic> Soyburg: that first errorSoyburg warning: updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: Permission denied is usually only seen the first time updatedb runs
[08:48] <thoreauputic> (I mean the "very first time"
[08:48] <Soyburg> thoreauputic: I had to run it with sudo to get it to run at all.
[08:48] <thoreauputic> Soyburg: of course
[08:48] <thoreauputic> Soyburg: it has to have access to the whole root partition etc
[08:48] <thoreauputic> so it needs root privileges
[08:48] <Soyburg> It may be obvious to you, but alas, I didn't think of it :)
[08:49] <thoreauputic> :)
[08:49] <Soyburg> and that was not the error message I was referring to.
[08:50] <thoreauputic> Soyburg fatal error: updatedb: You are not authorized to create a default slocate database!
[08:50] <thoreauputic> Soyburg Program exited with code 01.
[08:50] <thoreauputic> Soyburg Should I run it as su?
[08:50] <thoreauputic> that one?
[08:50] <Soyburg> yes.  I was not referring to that one.
[08:50] <thoreauputic> oh OK - sorry I jumped in :)
[08:51] <Soyburg> the one I meant was:  /etc/cron.daily/slocate: line 12: 8956 Segmentation fault   /usr/bin/updatedb
[08:51] <Soyburg> and it came as a mail to my account
[08:51] <Soyburg> from some charming person named Anna Cron.  I hope to meet her some day.
[08:52] <thoreauputic> Soyburg: heh - OK I just scrolled up and saw it
[08:52] <thoreauputic> yes, the mysterious Anna Cron....
[08:52] <Soyburg> maybe she has a sister too.
[08:54] <nakata> euh
[08:54] <nakata> if it worked there
[08:54] <cyber23> hello, how do I find out what ati drivers I need to install for my kernel and xorg
[08:54] <nakata> it's safe to just leave it
[08:54] <nakata> because it seems we've fixed the problem by having you run the package i made for you
[08:54] <nakata> if it doesn't fix it, then just wait till tomorrow and come back
[08:55] <nakata> at least we have identified that it's not updatedb which is choking
[08:55] <Soyburg> Alright, thanks nakata.  It was the first time that anacron coughed up anything since the hoary release and I figure my motherboard or ram may have had a fit there.
[08:56] <Soyburg> or moonbeams or stuff like that.
[08:56] <cyber23> can anyone help me out with installing ati drivers
[08:57] <philipacamaniac> Ack, I'm on evil winblows, and it is freezing.....ahh...
[08:57] <thoreauputic> Soyburg: I kept getting mail that said "cupsd exited with staus 1" or some such thing - then it just went away: this Anna Cron is a fickle lady methinks ;)
[08:57] <gdh> philipacamaniac: Once you remove windows, you will feel much warmer :)
[08:57] <philipacamaniac> Heh
[08:58] <Soyburg> thoreauputic: yeah, she can't make up her mind and stick with it.
[08:58] <thoreauputic> Soyburg: a woman's privilege, I've been told :)
[08:58] <philipacamaniac> I can't do that on my lappy, too many reasons to explain... but Kubuntu powers all my other computers
[08:58] <Soyburg> So have I :)
[08:59] <philipacamaniac> cyber23: how far along are you in installing the ati drivers?
[08:59] <cyber23> having even started yet
[09:00] <cyber23> trying to find out what drivers I need for the kernel and xorg
[09:00] <Soyburg> For some odd reason kynaptic wants me to insert the disk labeled Kubuntu 5.04_Hoary Hedgehog - Release i386 (20050407) in drive /cdrom/
[09:00] <thoreauputic> Soyburg: because the top line in /etc/apt/sources.list needs to be removed or commented out
[09:01] <thoreauputic> it refers to the install CD
[09:01] <Soyburg> thanks.  should I kill kynaptic and then do it again?
[09:01] <Soyburg> or will kynaptic read in the sources.list while in progress?
[09:01] <thoreauputic> *shrug* depends whether you mind using the CD
[09:02] <Soyburg> I could always insert the cd of course.
[09:02] <thoreauputic> Soyburg: no, you need to restart kynaptic after editing and update
[09:02] <Soyburg> thanks.
[09:02] <thoreauputic> if you wanrt it to stop asking, that is...
[09:02] <thoreauputic> *want
[09:02] <philipacamaniac> cyber32: xorg-driver-fglrx
[09:02] <Soyburg> yeah, I'll just kill it then.
[09:03] <cyber23> philipacamaniac: whats that for
[09:03] <philipacamaniac> that's the driver package
[09:03] <cyber23> its installed
[09:04] <philipacamaniac> okay
[09:05] <cyber23> whats next
[09:05] <philipacamaniac> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&highlight=ati+howto
[09:06] <philipacamaniac> sorry to pass a link off to you, but it worked so well for me
[09:06] <philipacamaniac> (the Howto, that is)
[09:07] <cyber23> thanks for the help
[09:08] <cyber23> what are xlib
[09:09] <philipacamaniac> various x windows libraries
[09:09] <philipacamaniac> such as xlibmesa-gl are the mesa open-gl libraries for x windows
[09:09] <cyber23> are there any for ati
[09:10] <philipacamaniac> they are not card specific
[09:10] <cyber23> oh ok
[09:11] <treke-> hmm. breezy broken for g++? I guess that answers my question :p
[09:12] <philipacamaniac> breezy's generally not a good idea to run right now unless your a devel
[09:12] <philipacamaniac> or in the case that you hate your computer anyway
[09:12] <treke-> yeah. Had a specific thign I wanted to try with it, just was curious if it would be "possibly a bad idea" or "definitly going to hose the install"
[09:12] <treke-> sounds like the latter :)
[09:15] <valdor> I need some help
[09:16] <valdor> What device under /dev/ is the midi port for using an old joystick??
[09:17] <treke-> might be simpler to just backport the new gstreamer :)
[09:18] <pv_> is the new gstreamer any better?
[09:19] <treke-> pv_: probably not for most use. Just saw that there was a new input sink that could capture video of an x session, which I just happen to need :)
[09:21] <pv_> ok :)
[09:45] <philipacamaniac> Man, I wish I was a student again (never thought I would say that)
[09:47] <philipacamaniac> I have lofty ambitions of helping Ubuntu and KDE, and now Google comes along saying they'll pay people to do that
[09:53] <reuben> how do i configure my wireless connections?
[09:53] <philipacamaniac> kwifimanager
[09:53] <reuben> philipacamaniac: i'm a kde developer, and i can't apply, because i'm 15:(
[09:54] <reuben> i don't like kwifimanager
[09:54] <philipacamaniac> neither do I, so be more specific :)
[09:54] <philipacamaniac> have you tried wlassistant?
[09:55] <reuben> my wireless network is adhoc and iwscan doesn't find it
[09:55] <philipacamaniac> ugh...
[09:55] <philipacamaniac> so it isn't a mobile device then, correct?
[09:56] <reuben> its a laptop
[09:56] <afrosheen> ahhh...a fresh new install of kubuntu 64
[09:57] <philipacamaniac> reuben: shell scripts are what I'm using, because no frontend is good enough yet
[09:58] <philipacamaniac> just configure a script for each network
[09:58] <philipacamaniac> bad hack, but it works
[09:59] <philipacamaniac> afrosheen: nice
[10:02] <philipacamaniac> reuben: or you could ditch the adhoc for infrastructure (access point) mode, and then use wlassistant.sourceforge.net
[10:03] <reuben> philipacamaniac: my gateway is a windows box
[10:03] <philipacamaniac> you're making things hard on purpose! (j/k)
[10:03] <philipacamaniac> shell scripts is all I can say
[10:05] <philipacamaniac> write a script to run iwconfig with your desired settings (including key, network name, etc.)
[10:05] <reuben> mmm
[10:05] <reuben> i'll give you 10p?
[10:06] <philipacamaniac> lol
[10:08] <philipacamaniac> seriously, though: a simple shell script is all you need. if you have to change networks often, simply make a new script for each network.
[10:09] <_osh> is there a "dumbed down" version of kpackage that works with .debs? The default one is really not intuitive...
[10:11] <reuben> dpkg?
[10:11] <reuben> err, dpkg -i
[10:11] <philipacamaniac> _osh: don't think so, but I just noticed that in breezy it is in main, rather than universe
[10:12] <philipacamaniac> reuben: that's what I'm talking about! it's all about the shell. :)
[10:12] <philipacamaniac> _osh: you might wait for kapture, the supposed kynaptic replacement
[10:13] <_osh> philipacamaniac: ok. so breezy might be worth the wait then. ;-)
[10:13] <philipacamaniac> I think so
[10:14] <gdh> with the Google Summer of Code thing running, I think a /lot/ of annoying loose ends will be tied up by college kids needing a reason to code :)
[10:14] <gdh> there's nothing quite like dangling a carrot...
[10:14] <reuben> gdh: it's a bad thing imho
[10:14] <philipacamaniac> a $4500 carrot
[10:15] <_osh> reuben: I'm no stranger to bash. I don't want to put my friends in front of it though. KDE does a lot of things very well but package management isn't one yet. Atleast not the programs I've seen (kpackage, kynaptic).
[10:15] <gdh> reuben: yeh? how so? surely the code has to be approved as 'decent' ?
[10:15] <gdh> philipacamaniac: yes :) a fair recompense for a few weeks' work
[10:15] <_Church_of_Foamy> how to install a .deb file
[10:15] <philipacamaniac> _osh: have you tried my Kubuntu Package Menu for konqueror?
[10:16] <_osh> philipacamaniac: No. How do I do that?
[10:16] <philipacamaniac> _Church: _osh: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=23981
[10:16] <_Church_of_Foamy> whats the command to install a .deb file?
[10:16] <_osh> b
[10:16] <philipacamaniac> dpkg -i
[10:17] <_Church_of_Foamy> thank you
[10:18] <_osh> philipacamaniac: Now if that isn't a shameless plug.... ;-)
[10:18] <philipacamaniac> :)
[10:18] <_osh> philipacamaniac: Just kidding. I'll check it out.
[10:19] <philipacamaniac> _osh: it really is useful. I hope they patch it into breezy.
[10:19] <Firetech> philipacamaniac: why don't you have a deb for the non action menu version?
[10:19] <philipacamaniac> Firetech: because, the non-action menu version doesn't follow KDE standards
[10:19] <Firetech> It is a bit strange to have a debian package for a debian package installer...
[10:20] <Firetech> kind of like zipping winzip or raring winrar...
[10:20] <philipacamaniac> yeah, pretty much
[10:20] <philipacamaniac> I still have the non-action menu version for people who prefer it, but really the Action menu version is the official. I need to update the screenshot.
[10:21] <reuben> philipacamaniac: make me a script:P
[10:22] <reuben> philipacamaniac: well, make a template:P
[10:22] <philipacamaniac> yeah, I know what you meant
[10:22] <philipacamaniac> hold on
[10:22] <Firetech> philipacamaniac: It would be good if that package got into universe...
[10:22] <philipacamaniac> even better if it was in main
[10:23] <philipacamaniac> a valid point, osh
[10:24] <Firetech> but it should be installable through apt-get
[10:24] <_osh> Firetech: I agree with that too.
[10:24] <philipacamaniac> but IMHO the functionality should already be there
[10:25] <Firetech> kind of, not in gentoo :P
[10:25] <philipacamaniac> Oh, no, I don't want an upstream fix
[10:25] <Firetech> it shouldn't be totally integrated in kde, just debian-kde...
[10:25] <philipacamaniac> Exactly, the kdebase package provided by debian (and ubuntu)
[10:26] <_osh> philipacamaniac: I like it. It doesn't replace a good pkg-mgr but it's a functionality that should already be in kde/ubuntu/debian/ imho.
[10:27] <philipacamaniac> reuben: start with this: iwconfig $IFACE essid $ESSID key $KEY
[10:27] <reuben> ok
[10:27] <philipacamaniac> reuben: err, just look here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=197134&postcount=4
[10:28] <reuben> philipacamaniac: how do i set the ip of the interface?
[10:29] <philipacamaniac> reuben: you want a static IP?
[10:29] <reuben> yes
[10:30] <MichaelDiederich> reuben: do you want my interfaces in a query (i also have a static ip)
[10:30] <Firetech> philipacamaniac: would you like if I translated your package menu system into swedish? (the desktop file should be no problems) Even If you don't want it, I'll do it anyway because it doesn't blend well right now...
[10:30] <_osh> reuben: be aware that not all cards can handle wep with the acx_pci. the iwconfig key $KEY might not work.
[10:31] <MichaelDiederich> oh sorry, i have cable, no wireless
[10:31] <philipacamaniac> the key is only if you use wep, otherwise remove that
[10:33] <philipacamaniac> Firetech: be my guest! I don't know how soon I'll be able to repackage the deb, but send me an updated .desktop file whenever you can.
[10:33] <Firetech> okidoki, I see you already have an italian translation... :)
[10:34] <philipacamaniac> yep
[10:34] <philipacamaniac> leftover from the old debian service menu code
[10:35] <Firetech> :)
[10:35] <Firetech> is it possible to do Exec[language] ?
[10:35] <philipacamaniac> reuben: add this line: ifconfig $IFACE add $IP
[10:36] <philipacamaniac> and add an IP variable, or instead of $IP, just write out the IP
[10:36] <Firetech> cool, it was :)
[10:37] <Firetech> then I can even translate the Press Enter thingie :D
[10:37] <philipacamaniac> Sweet
[10:40] <philipacamaniac> reuben: no wait, my bad... remove the "add"
[10:40] <philipacamaniac> reuben: put the ifconfig line after the iwconfig, and be sure to uncomment the route line
[10:41] <Firetech> philipacamaniac: I won't translate the shell script, I don't know enough sh scripting...
[10:42] <philipacamaniac> Firetech: You should only need to translate the interface (anything a user sees)
[10:43] <Firetech> some of the package infop dialog isn't translated, but I'll leave it as is until you make it more easy to translate *wink, wink* :P
[10:44] <Firetech> *info dialog
[10:45] <philipacamaniac> you mean the output of dpkg -s
[10:46] <philipacamaniac> (plus a little more)
[10:46] <philipacamaniac> reuben: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/E7sVln36.html
[10:46] <Firetech> more like the string "Package Contents", it could be sent by the command line, and thus be in the .desktop file...
[10:47] <philipacamaniac> doh! well, I suppose I'll start hacking on it over the weekend. :)
[10:47] <Firetech> some of dpkg's output won't be changed though...
[10:48] <philipacamaniac> not my fault, not my fault! j/k
[10:48] <Firetech> It's no big issue to leave it as is...
[10:48] <philipacamaniac> Well, I will see what I can do to make it easier to translate
[10:48] <Firetech> do you want the translated .desktop file, or should I wait for the new .sh?
[10:49] <philipacamaniac> um
[10:49] <liz4rd> bhel
[10:50] <liz4rd> cd ##slackware
[10:50] <Firetech> It's very hard to translate four strings *not*, I might even do it in german (kind of like my third language...)
[10:50] <philipacamaniac> email me the desktop file when you finish it, and this weekend I'll email you an sh file
[10:52] <Firetech> ...but I won't (translate it into german), just realized I don't know any of the needed words, except for "<enter>"  ;)
[10:52] <philipacamaniac> heh
[10:56] <opi> if you're going to have a glass of wine today, rise it for my friend, who's getting married tomrrow! :-)
[10:57] <Firetech> philipacamaniac: should be in your mailbox now.
[10:58] <philipacamaniac> thanks
[10:58] <nmorse> Figures the Google Summer of Code would require you to be 18 or older
[10:58] <philipacamaniac> or still in school
[10:58] <philipacamaniac> so pretty much just college students
[10:59] <nmorse> I'm only 17, despite being a National Merit Scholar and enrolled in the University of Tulsa's comp sci program
[10:59] <nmorse> And I was already writing a program that would qualify
[10:59] <philipacamaniac> have you been accepted to a univ yet?
[10:59] <nmorse> Yep
[10:59] <nmorse> Enrolled
[10:59] <philipacamaniac> I think that qualifies you
[10:59] <philipacamaniac> oh wait
[10:59] <nmorse> Must be over 18
[10:59] <philipacamaniac> 18
[10:59] <philipacamaniac> damn
[11:00] <nakata> tulsa, heh
[11:00] <nmorse> I could use $4500 since I quit my job
[11:00] <philipacamaniac> well, I would still see if it is possible.. they might make an exception
[11:00] <nmorse> Why would you live in Oklahoma if you didn''t have to?
[11:00] <nakata> i DID have to
[11:00] <nakata> when the contract finished i left asap
[11:00] <nmorse> I checked in IRC where the google guys are
[11:00] <nmorse> No go
[11:00] <nakata> besides, i'm pagan
[11:01] <nakata> pagans + tulsa = bad news
[11:01] <nmorse> Oklahoma is the most God-forsaken tech wasteland in America
[11:01] <nakata> i had dialup
[11:01] <nakata> and yeah, i cried into my pillow everytime i did a dist-upgrade
[11:01] <nmorse> Thankfully, my small town got DSL a couple of years ago
[11:02] <nmorse> I'd cry into a pillow too
[11:02] <nakata> i must admit, for some reason i miss the summer there
[11:02] <nmorse> All the dialup here gets about 6KB a second
[11:02] <nakata> hot, humid, impossible to endure
[11:02] <nakata> and skimpy-dressed honies everywhere :D
[11:02] <nmorse> Except in winter, when it's 0 degrees
[11:02] <nakata> i'm from canada, heh
[11:02] <nmorse> I think I should move to Canada, I even speak French
[11:02] <philipacamaniac> I'm not from OK, but my mom is
[11:03] <nakata> no, thanks.
[11:03] <philipacamaniac> LOL
[11:03] <nakata> every mexican fights for a usa greencard, every american fights for a canadian greencard
[11:03] <nmorse> I don't need a Canadian greencard
[11:03] <nakata> and find me a french canadian
[11:03] <nakata> seriously
[11:03] <nmorse> I'll just walk across the unguarded border
[11:03] <nakata> that's like finding a finnish speaker in los angeles
[11:03] <nmorse> Ever been to Quebec?
[11:04] <nakata> and what?
[11:04] <nakata> spend your money here?  heh
[11:04] <nakata> go ahead :)
[11:04] <nakata> nope
[11:04] <nakata> that's not 'canada'
[11:04] <nakata> that's 'quebec'
[11:04] <Firetech> do you hav
[11:04] <nmorse> I've been there, I like Quebec actually
[11:04] <Firetech> damn enter key..
[11:04] <philipacamaniac> ?
[11:04] <nakata> yeah, well, it's about as much a part of canada as alaska is the usa
[11:04] <Firetech> The summer of code thing, is it restricted to any country?
[11:04] <nmorse> My grandparents live on Lake Erie on the New York side, so I cross the border whenever I'm up there
[11:05] <philipacamaniac> Firetech: don't think so. here is KDE's page: http://developer.kde.org/joining/googlecodeofsummer.html
[11:05] <nmorse> Firetech: as long as it's not on the 'state supports terrorism' list
[11:05] <philipacamaniac> whoa, for reals?
[11:05] <Firetech> I don't think Sweden is.
[11:05] <nakata> nmorse: which includes the usa, and canada.
[11:05] <nakata> fuggin paranoid propaganda hockers
[11:05] <nakata> 'the sky is falling, the sky is falling!  hep meh, hep meh!'
[11:06] <Firetech> I just turned 18, but I need to learn more linux programming before...
[11:06] <nakata> dude
[11:06] <nakata> i just turned 22
[11:06] <nmorse> But are you still enrolled in college?
[11:06] <nakata> and i'm a gui-kangaroo in my city of linux
[11:06] <nakata> pfft, what's college?
[11:07] <philipacamaniac> I'm 22, but no longer enrolled
[11:07] <nmorse> Gui-kangaroo?
[11:07] <nakata> i barely scraped through grade 9
[11:07] <nakata> guru
[11:07] <nmorse> WTF, mate?
[11:07] <Firetech> Sweden don't have college, I don't really know what is the equivalent...
[11:07] <nakata> there's like, 10 linux users here
[11:07] <nakata> heh
[11:07] <nmorse> Post-high school, Firetech
[11:07] <nmorse> University
[11:07] <nmorse> Surely Sweden has something like that
[11:07] <philipacamaniac> nakata: don't worry, I didn't do that college thing either... went straight into a computer career
[11:08] <Firetech> high-school... what ages are that?
[11:08] <nmorse> 14-18 usually
[11:08] <philipacamaniac> so 19-22 is "college" or "university" age
[11:08] <Firetech> then I kind of would be in High School...
[11:09] <Firetech> I'm in eleventh grade totally. I started school when I was seven
[11:09] <philipacamaniac> yes, probably a 12th grader, also known as a Senior
[11:09] <philipacamaniac> oh okay a Junior
[11:09] <Firetech> I'm ending my eleventrh grade next week
[11:09] <nmorse> Boy, you Europeans get out of school late
[11:10] <philipacamaniac> define late
[11:10] <nmorse> We though May 20 for graduation here was late
[11:10] <nmorse> We're used to May 9
[11:10] <philipacamaniac> unless you're referring to the traditional US school calendar
[11:10] <Firetech> next year, we party because we have taken the "studenten" after ending "gymnasiet" (kind of High school, grades 10-12)
[11:10] <philipacamaniac> cool
[11:11] <philipacamaniac> so what comes after 12th grade in Sweden?
[11:11] <Firetech> University
[11:11] <philipacamaniac> is there a University of Sweden (probably not called that)?
[11:11] <Firetech> Sometimes "Hgskola" for some special areas of  education...
[11:11] <nmorse> Yeah, you'd have to be enrolled in Unversity to qualify for Google's Summer of Code
[11:12] <Firetech> I wouldn't go for it this year anyway
[11:12] <nmorse> Or accepted to a uni
[11:12] <philipacamaniac> okay Hgskola looks really funny in windoze
[11:13] <nmorse> I would bet, Windows doesn't do anything properly
[11:13] <philipacamaniac> no unicode support or something... who do they think they are
[11:13] <nmorse> I tried to install SP2 on my laptop the other day, and now Safe Mode even dumps to a BSOD on boot
[11:13] <Firetech> "Hgskola" is directly translated into High School (but it's not the same thing as the amerixan High School)... It's a form of University too...
[11:13] <_osh> philipacamaniac: They think they're the industry leader. And they're right.
[11:13] <nmorse> Like a vocational school? Where you learn a specific skill?
[11:14] <philipacamaniac> _osh: I'm here to change that...
[11:14] <_osh> philipacamaniac: I wish you the best of luck. I really do. :-)
[11:15] <Firetech> I think I'll go to LTH  ("Lunds Tekniska Hgskola", "Lund Institute Of Technology -  Lund University" in English)
[11:15] <philipacamaniac> _osh: well, since I'm actually using windows as we speak, I'll need all the luck I can get
[11:15] <nmorse> no joke, philipacamaniac
[11:16] <nmorse> We need nice Russian Revolution, but against proprietary software, just maybe no executions
[11:16] <_osh> Firetech: I think Hgskola is actually translated to community-collage.
[11:16] <Firetech> well I don't know foreign school termss
[11:17] <gdh> Bill G should be first against the wall.. or better we should leave him at the south pole (?) surrounded by penguins :)
[11:17] <nmorse> Put him on the Galapagos Islands and let him sweat to death surrounded by penguins
[11:17] <nmorse> No pasty white guy can survive the tropics
[11:17] <gdh> Heh, now that I would watch.. it'd sure beat Big Bother
[11:18] <nmorse> Yes, because the BSDs would be next
[11:18] <nmorse> And everyone loves the BSDs
[11:18] <nmorse> But Nazis always get overzealous
[11:19] <nmorse> It won't even install, not even with dx9wine
[11:19] <philipacamaniac> There are just a couple pro-audio programs that are keeping my laptop on Windoze
[11:19] <philipacamaniac> not even with cedega cvs?
[11:19] <gdh> philipacamaniac: Would it not be better to run then inside VMware / qemu, rather than dual-boot? :)
[11:19] <nmorse> Cedega claims it won't install on theirs
[11:20] <nmorse> Haven't even bothered to try it because they say it won't work
[11:20] <philipacamaniac> gdh: I'm not even dual-booting my laptop (its a work laptop). My desktop and all my computers at home run kubuntu
[11:21] <philipacamaniac> gdh: and I use a real-time synthesizer, with an external musical keyboard. not sure that will work too well :(
[11:22] <gdh> MIDI runs at 31250 baud. I think that's within the realms of possibility to run in realtime without drops :)
[11:23] <philipacamaniac> gdh: using a USB-to-midi adapter, and here is the software: http://www.propellerheads.se/products/reason/
[11:23] <philipacamaniac> hey, they're swedish!
[11:24] <nmorse> The Scandinavian countries have done a lot for linux and open source
[11:24] <gdh> Is it all dance bollocks or real music?
[11:24] <philipacamaniac> reason is open source, sadly... 
[11:24] <philipacamaniac> It is everything, dance, techno, rock, rap and hip hop
[11:24] <gdh> Wow, all shit then :D
[11:25] <philipacamaniac> I've been working on some soundtrack-like music, so that hopefully I can get a foot in the door with some indy film directors
[11:25] <Firetech> nmorse: especially Finland... ;)
[11:25] <nmorse> Indeed, good old Linux Torvalds and the Helsinki Institute
[11:25] <philipacamaniac> I have an exchange student from Finland
[11:26] <gdh> philipacamaniac: What did you swap? :)
[11:26] <Firetech> don't say perkele to him :P
[11:26] <gdh> "I gave away my t-shirt and all I got was this lousy finnish student"
[11:26] <Firetech> nmorse: His name is Linus, not Linux.
[11:26] <philipacamaniac> heh, no not me personally... I work at a school, and I'm teaching a summer school class with a finnish exchange student
[11:27] <nmorse> Dadgummit, habit got me again
[11:27] <philipacamaniac> perkele?
[11:27] <gdh> muscle memory can be a horrid thing
[11:27] <nmorse> It's a bad habit, having to type linux all the time
[11:27] <gdh> I can rarely type the word 'passed' first time.. passwd passwd passwd agh
[11:27] <Firetech> philipacamaniac: It means devil in finnish...
[11:27] <philipacamaniac> linux linus... potato, potato (oh wait, that doesn't work in IRC to well)
[11:28] <gdh> Hm, let's call the whole thing in a state of zero power application.
[11:29] <philipacamaniac> devil isn't such a bad word, maybe it has another meaning
[11:29] <nmorse> The whole Linus/Linux thing wouldn't be so bad if the two keys didn't use the same finger
[11:30] <Firetech> :P
[11:31] <philipacamaniac> regardless, I'll avoid the word (or any finnish word)
[11:31] <philipacamaniac> She knows enough english
[11:31] <Firetech> anybody know a good touch typing learning software for linux?
[11:31] <Curalton> Firetech: irc
[11:32] <Firetech> philipacamaniac: Yxi is no problem to say (kind of [eeksee] , means "one")
[11:33] <Firetech> kaxi [kaaxee]  means two
[11:33] <nmorse> At least Finnish apparently has vowels
[11:33] <nmorse> Sure beats Welsh
[11:33] <Firetech> summer of code only has room for 200 developers...
[11:34] <Firetech> I think I might do some voluntary work this summer...
[11:34] <nmorse> Having quit my job, I was hoping to get paid
[11:34] <philipacamaniac> It doesn't have vowels when you hear it
[11:34] <Brazmetal> Hey people, I have Winxp and Kubuntu installed (usign grub as boot manager)... Now I have to format the win partition and re-install the SO... But I know that this will erase the bootsect, I would like to know what I have to do...
[11:35] <nmorse> And I doubt many other code bounties will pay to 17 year olds either
[11:35] <nmorse> I could fix KGetHotNewStuff and get paid for that
[11:36] <nmorse> I think
[11:36] <philipacamaniac> Brazmetal: you'd have to reinstall grub after doing the windows install
[11:37] <philipacamaniac> I'm trying to think how you might do that
[11:37] <Brazmetal> yes ehehee
[11:37] <nmorse> Not a problem, Brazmetal
[11:37] <Brazmetal> Maybe I have to make a ubuntu boot disk?
[11:37] <nmorse> Use a normal rescue CD, boot into Ubuntu and just run the proper Grub command
[11:38] <nmorse> Not as easy as a 'lilo /dev/hda' but it will work
[11:38] <Brazmetal> nmorse ehehe.. But How can I make a rescue disk?
[11:38] <philipacamaniac> that was my confusion... I have a billion solutions in my head that involve lilo
[11:38] <philipacamaniac> knoppix or kubuntu live
[11:39] <Brazmetal> don't have any of them.. :(
[11:39] <nmorse> A woody install disc
[11:39] <nmorse> Never fails
[11:39] <philipacamaniac> or even your kubuntu cd
[11:39] <Brazmetal> philipacamaniac how?
[11:39] <philipacamaniac> i mean ubuntu
[11:40] <Brazmetal> isn't there a utility to make a ubuntu boot disk?
[11:41] <Brazmetal> ?
[11:41] <_Church_of_Foamy> yes
[11:41] <philipacamaniac> yes
[11:42] <Brazmetal> what?
[11:42] <gdh> sure, 'wget' :)
[11:42] <philipacamaniac> ?
[11:42] <nmorse> Like a floppy disc?
[11:42] <gdh> am being silly, ignore me :)
[11:42] <nmorse> I don't think the linux kernel can even fit on a floppy anymore
[11:43] <philipacamaniac> I had one in slackware
[11:43] <philipacamaniac> but that was lilo and linux 2.4
[11:43] <Brazmetal> ok... but how can I do it with the Kubuntu disc?
[11:43] <gdh> nmorse: It can - there are single-floppy bootdisks to reset NTFS passwords :) kernel + small userspace...
[11:44] <gdh> nmorse: Although if you're talking about a recent 2.6, I dunno :)
[11:44] <philipacamaniac> aha http://ubuntuguide.org/#restoregrubmenuafterwindowsinstallation
[11:44] <Brazmetal> philipacamaniac ohhh thanks!!!!
[11:45] <philipacamaniac> boot: rescue looks pretty useful
[11:45] <Brazmetal> ah
[11:45] <Brazmetal> ok, I will try it
[11:46] <philipacamaniac> good luck, see you on the other side
[11:46] <philipacamaniac> j/k
[11:53] <Firetech> Thunder is rumbling outside
[11:53] <Firetech> coming closer too :S
[11:54] <gdh> mm, thumbles of runder...
[11:57] <Firetech> 5 seconds away (5 secs between light and sound)
[11:58] <Firetech> that's 5 * 340 metres
[11:58] <Firetech> approx. an english mile away
[11:58] <philipacamaniac> I would have turned my computer off by now
[11:59] <gdh> or at least moved to wifi so at least only a cheap access point gets fried :)
[12:00] <Firetech> My computer is stationary
[12:00] <Firetech> I would like a UPS...
[12:01] <gdh> lightning will still happily jump straight through a UPS I'm sure...
[12:01] <gdh> A cheap one, anyway