=== swe3tdave [~swe3tdave@Toronto-HSE-ppp3760972.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Liz [~Liz@fixed-203-87-81-158.nsw.chariot.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mkde [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:36] anyone around? [01:36] i just got here [01:37] hi there liz [01:37] greetings [01:37] its been a while since i was in here [01:39] i was just reading seans email [01:47] which one? [01:48] i guess you must have moderated it through just now [01:48] yes i did [01:48] there were a few [01:48] tell me ..do you add them to the ban list when you reject them? [01:48] no [01:49] im asking cause this is the first time ive moderated a mailing list [01:49] and im not sure if im doing it right [01:49] they just get a message telling them that non members can't post to the list [01:49] i always tend to discard spam [01:49] dunno if thats right tho [01:49] heh [01:49] i was rejecting them and adding them to the ban list [01:49] not a bad idea [01:50] but for spam...discard and ban might be the way to go === mkde nods [01:51] should be a wiki i guess about moderating mailing lists [01:51] i'm sure there is some documentation around [02:03] we seem to have documentation for everything on ubuntu [02:03] sometimes the mailman software explains some of the features quite nicely [02:03] cept how to moderate a list [02:03] its a bad thing for me [02:04] no sweat [02:04] i dont read the documentations [02:04] unless im truely stuck on something [02:04] i know what you mean === mkde yawns [02:08] i gtg to bed [02:08] good night === carthik [~carthik@user-0cej7av.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Skywind [~Skywind@218.94.37.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:03] morning [05:03] night.. ;) [05:04] doh [05:04] carthik, hello bored student :) [05:04] hey jsgotangco :) [05:05] so you're looking for something to do [05:05] hmmm [05:05] phonecall :| [05:05] ok [05:06] jsgotangco, yes, I was in fact looking at the various wiki pages now [05:07] andreading through the "about ubuntu" preview picking holes in the document [05:07] but finding faults may not be the best way to introduce myself, I guess. [05:08] no its ok, just dive in, thats the FOSS way [05:08] jsgotangco, if there is something you have in mind that I could do, I'd be glad to know of it :) [05:08] nobody's stopping you from grabbing what you'd like to contribute [05:08] so do I file a seperate bug report for each spello/typo or just one grand unified bug report? [05:08] on the wiki? [05:08] or on the svn repos [05:09] the problem with the one big bug report might be that some folks might agree to some of the changes I suggest and not some others... [05:09] Am I not supposed to make bug-reports at bugzilla? [05:10] I was reading through the quickguide preview : http://people.ubuntu.com/~mako/docteam/quickguide/ [05:10] no bugzilla is fine [05:10] hmm [05:10] you can get the actual xml docs from svn [05:10] I am familiar with svn [05:10] but should I generate diffs after every change [05:11] cause obviously all my changes may not be seen as required or acceptable :) [05:11] yes then submit to the list and ill patch it or whoever gets it [05:11] oh, okay [05:11] a unified diff, then :) [05:11] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepRepository [05:11] would be much better if you patch per doc instead of a grand patch [05:12] Okay, I will read that doc again before I do anything [05:12] svg artworks also welcome [05:13] patch per doc == patch per book, right, for the quickguide ? [05:13] right its much easier [05:14] okay cool :) [05:17] thanks jsgotangco. I'll email the list when I am done. [05:19] just email the diff and i'll grab it or probably sean [06:10] today is the day I start working for the ubuntu doc team :) [06:10] welcome aboard, we're a small crew but deliver big stuff [06:10] now i go to lunch [06:10] :) [06:10] brb [06:10] oops, that was meant for my friends. Nevermind :) [06:11] heh [06:11] :) [07:10] err, quickguide is not at ubuntu-docs/quick-guide/ - there is a ubuntu-docs/gnome/quick-guide which does not quite appear to be the same as the one in the preview at http://people.ubuntu.com/~mako/docteam/quickguide/ -- what am I missing here? [07:25] the one in mako's shell is probably old [07:25] current work is in svn [07:30] jsgotangco, could you please tell me how to make the svn version [07:30] I hope /gnome/quickguide/C/quick-guide.xml is the right file, too [07:31] first things first [07:31] 1.) did you download the docs from svn? [07:31] yes [07:32] ok great now what's the problem then, the svn version is the most recent === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.95.57.102] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:36] jsgotangco, how would I create an html version locally? (I'm sorry if that is a dumb question) [07:36] make qg doesnt work [07:37] umm what are you trying to do? [07:38] I am trying to create a readable vhtml version of the checked out quick guide [07:39] reading and editing the xml file directly is bound to be more difficult for me [07:39] ok here's a tip you can open the xml file in yelp [07:39] you can edit the xml file in bluefish which is better [07:40] okay, but how can i see the html version, if at all [07:40] just to make sure, as the step-by-step guide says I must === venda [~sean@ndn-165-138-57.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:41] African Greetings === venda [~sean@ndn-165-138-57.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === BeerDump [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:48] gyah [08:00] sorry about that :) [08:03] maybe I started off with the wrong doc :) the quick-guide seems to have been written for 5.04, and I guess will be edited next before the next release.... [08:04] I saw an erroneous "5.40" somewhere and so thought I'd proof it... [08:04] again, that was from the preview... [08:05] jsgotangco, BeerDump??? [08:06] yeah hehe instead of Brain Dump in a BOF, i'd rather drink Beer [08:06] carthik, just check what's in svn that's the latest always === jsgotangco is messing around with wordpress [08:08] carthik: previews are outdated at present they should move to docteam.ubuntu.com shortly [08:08] you should checkout svn src and hack that [08:08] ahhh there's the expert [08:08] venda, hello [08:08] jsgotangco: hi [08:09] venda, ill upload something in artwork and check it out [08:09] carthik: we want to upgrade Ubuntu quick-guide for 5.10 [08:09] cool [08:09] ideas welcome [08:09] carthik: the problem with that book is that you do not have a stable system on which to document yet [08:10] unless you dont mind your system breaking [08:10] breezy is still very much under heavy devel [08:10] venda, that is cool - I will go through and fix some non-software specific things... [08:10] hopefully :) [08:10] venda, committed, svn up pls [08:10] carthik: sure, improvement welcome [08:11] and check it now [08:11] hehe === robitaille still scared of upgrading his Breezy partition 4 weeks after its last dist-upgrade [08:11] :) [08:11] its the best thing i can do for 2 days [08:11] carthik: there are also other docs you can work on if you feel like it [08:11] (i dont really know how to use inkscape [08:12] venda, is there one that could better use my time right now? [08:12] you can help mdke on the wiki [08:13] Is Henrik Nielsen Omma ever here? [08:13] mvirkkil: over where? [08:14] i dont think henrik chats [08:14] carthik: well you can take a small section on any book and work on it [08:14] jsgotangco, is there a wiki-todo somewhere, or some tasks? [08:14] carthik: mdke is working on the user guide [08:14] venda, cool [08:14] carthik: I know there are a few blank sections that coul duse love [08:15] venda: In irc [08:15] just take someting small somethng you can do [08:15] mvirkkil: I have not seen him on irc [08:15] venda: Me neither. [08:18] which application is a good to display svg? It seems my nautilus tries to display them using Firefox... and that's does work. [08:19] s/does/doesn't/ [08:20] inkscape [08:20] yeah its pretty dumb [08:20] but i think EoG should also open SVG [08:20] inkscape creates the svg [08:21] venda, I'm sorry if I am annoying or something :) but I can't find userguide or user-guide or any such anywhere in the tree i checked out... [08:21] robitaille: sudo apt-get install inkscape [08:21] carthik, /ubuntu-docs/gnome/userguide [08:22] ok ubuntu-docs is my own dir [08:22] carthik: no problem see gnome/ [08:22] so its just /gnome/userguide [08:22] just tried eog on svg; it works, but the results are not that great looking. I'll have to install inkscape. [08:22] carthik: there are no stupid questions [08:22] venda, just stupid answers? [08:22] jsgotangco, venda, thanks a lot. [08:23] np just ask away [08:23] robitaille: I think once inkscape is installed then naut will use it as plugin [08:23] venda, i'v been bugging jsgotangco for quite a while now :) [08:23] we all start from something [08:23] he he he needs it === venda hugs jsgotangco [08:23] venda, did you see the artwork? [08:24] venda, I didn't have inkscape installed but nautilus was still displaying a preview of the svg's...but there was no way of opening them. [08:25] jsgotangco: what did you think the hug was for ;-) [08:25] robitaille, i think its a bug that Burgandavia has already filed [08:25] i didnt see that hug [08:25] robitaille: inkscape dude install [08:25] i hope you were already dressed [08:25] no [08:25] jsgotangco: but there is an image missing [08:26] shouldn't gimp be able to open svg files? [08:26] best to do everything in svg [08:26] carthik: no [08:26] I see [08:26] venda, yes since its svg, it references to a png file which i didnt upload [08:26] vector /= raster [08:26] just installed inkscape... now I can see the svg properly. [08:26] can you redraw the png [08:26] robitaille: :-) [08:27] venda, screenshot [08:27] ok upload the screen shot dude [08:27] venda, i am trying to figure out how to publish it as pdf without going thru scribus [08:27] because the svg filter of scribus plain sucks [08:27] jsgotangco: export as png 300dpi [08:27] then? [08:28] open in gimp -- flatten image [08:28] export as pdf if gimp supports [08:28] ok let me try that in another file [08:28] otherwise import to OOo w [08:28] OOo 2.0 supports the whole svg [08:29] that may be quicker [08:29] its the best i can do with so little time [08:29] its a start [08:29] better than nothing I say [08:29] it looks good for a start though === venda like to do it and then improve on it. Perfection is something attained over time [08:29] brilliant [08:30] let me mess it up first then ill upload the png as well [08:30] even my posters are not a picaso [08:30] but they are a start [08:30] I am not much of a graphics person [08:30] same here, i have a good eye for colors though [08:35] on my lord it looks awesome as pdf [08:36] Cool [08:36] what process did you use? [08:36] OOo [08:36] 2.0 === venda thanks jsgotangco for the UDU pics on flickr [08:36] the font is kinda messed up [08:36] ah [08:37] who is the cute 3 year old [08:37] umm that's my daughter [08:37] she wil be a real looker when she is older [08:37] you think so, i think she got the features from my wife [08:37] you gonna have lots of trouble on your hands [08:37] well you wife is WOW too [08:38] lucky man [08:38] your daught is very photogenic [08:39] yeah i have some pics in RAW but i have yet to send it to the studio [08:39] i have this nice Nikon dslr i bought last christmas [08:39] All the green in the pictures reminds me of Durban [08:39] east coast [08:39] also hot and warm there [08:39] so everything is green all year [08:40] up here in johannesburg everythng turns brown around this time of year [08:40] hmm [08:40] "flickr is having a massage" [08:40] i guess its down for maintenance now [08:40] yes I saw them yesterday [08:41] Oh well time to get dressed I guess === venda notices that jsgotangco won't look at him in his birthday suit [08:42] no even when you're sleeping i imagine you in a suit [08:42] oh dear, I am getting a bad reputation [08:43] if it helps, I am sitting here in a pair of long jamas and a jersey [08:43] i hope you dont have a baseball cap worn in reverse with some gold chains and stuff around your neck [08:43] big coffee on one side and my laptop on my knees to keep me warm [08:44] no those are next to my bed :-) [08:44] jolly good show, what, what? === venda says with a stiff upper lift in his best British acent [08:45] a question first [08:45] what's html.sh for [08:45] mmm [08:46] not working yet [08:46] part of build sys [08:46] carthik: you can work on style guide :-) [08:46] it was supposed to be the driver script to make html [08:47] venda, it doesn't work [08:47] no, not ready yet [08:47] jeffsch, hi [08:47] jeffsch: hi [08:47] hi [08:47] ok I is off [08:47] jeffsch, erm, I am happy to have found the userguide that venda and jsgotangco pointed out, but should I lose interest, i will certainly look at the style guide === jsgotangco avoids the style guide [08:48] carthik: do what you want to do and have fun [08:48] you can read the makefile in the stylguide folder to see how to generate html and pdf [08:48] venda, sounds like a plan :) [08:48] jeffsch: why tldp project [08:48] carthik, that's how we work here [08:49] umm errr, I tried the tldp stylesheets out [08:49] I liked the layout of their html [08:49] I didn't remove it from the makefile, just commented it out [08:50] jeffsch: no that is fine, just wondered [08:50] Ok now I is zero ca ya === venda [~sean@ndn-165-138-57.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] [08:50] errmm [08:50] how do you use this script [08:51] jsgotangco: you dont until we're finsihed [08:51] cd to the styleguide folder, then type make html [08:51] or "make pdf" [08:52] xmllint --dtdvalid /usr/share/xml/docbook/schema/dtd/4.3/docbookx.dtd --noout --xinclude --noent --postvalid styleguide.xml [08:52] xsltproc -o styleguide.fo udp-pdf.xslt styleguide.xml [08:52] Making portrait pages on USletter paper (8.5inx11in) [08:52] fop.sh -fo styleguide.fo -pdf styleguide.pdf [08:52] make: fop.sh: Command not found [08:52] make: *** [pdf] Error 127 [08:52] hmmm... you don't have apache xml tools installed [08:53] I can't remember offhand the package [08:53] hmm [08:53] i will find out [08:53] you can still make the html though [08:54] yeah html works [08:54] libapache-modxslt ? [08:54] or libapache2-modxslt.... [08:55] most likely 2 [08:57] hmmm... no, i think those are for web server... I don't have either one installed [08:59] ant , ant-doc perhaps? (A system independent build tool that uses XML files as "Makefiles") [09:00] is there some way of searching packages to see if fop-0.20.5 is in one of them? [09:04] searching for "docbook pdf" gets me to docbook-utils === froud-away is now known as froud [09:05] carthik: you need an xsl-fo processor [09:05] so you use saxon and then create xsl:fo > Apache FOP [09:05] > PDF [09:05] > PS [09:05] > RTF [09:05] etc [09:06] carthik: I like ant [09:06] but java is a regilious topic here so we stay wil the make wrinkles [09:06] xmlto package then, perhaps [09:07] the urge to install all lib* packages comes back every now and then :) [09:07] carthik: if you like [09:07] I just use saxon and xalan [09:07] build system ant [09:07] froud: do you know which package has fop.sh? [09:07] Apache fop [09:07] download it form Apache [09:08] ahhh... so that's how I got it [09:08] here is my classpath [09:08] CLASSPATH="/usr/share/saxon-6.5.3/saxon.jar:/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/exte [09:08] nsions/saxon65.jar:/usr/share/java/fop-0.20.5/build/fop.jar:/usr/share/java/fop-0.20.5/lib/batik. [09:08] jar:/usr/share/java/fop-0.20.5/lib/xalan-2.4.1.jar:/usr/share/java/fop-0.20.5/lib/xercesImpl-2.2. [09:08] 1.jar:/usr/share/java/fop-0.20.5/lib/JimiProClasses.jar:/usr/share/java/fop-0.20.5/lib/avalon-fra [09:08] mework-cvs-20020806.jar" [09:08] export CLASSPATH [09:08] http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/appl/apache/xml/fop/ [09:10] yes or just go to http://xml.apache.org/fop/ and click download to get your closest mirror [09:10] notice when using saxon [09:10] froud, the pdf only looks good when press optimized [09:10] you can use the jar extension for db [09:10] jsgotangco: it will [09:11] lower than that, it sucks [09:11] screen is not good for print [09:11] for those who want to render png files in pdf note /usr/share/java/fop-0.20.5/lib/JimiProClasses.jar [09:12] Download jimmi from sun or install jai' [09:12] jia [09:12] /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/exte [09:12] [08:54] nsions/saxon65.jar [09:12] If you want extensions for formating in fo see [09:12] oops [09:13] this path /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/extensions/saxon65.jar [09:13] with saxon you ha ethe best control [09:14] you can use dbfo proc intructs in the xml src to define things otherwise not possible [09:14] well that's me for today [09:14] later dude === froud is now known as froud-away [09:17] me go too. bye. === jeffsch is now known as jeff-away [09:27] jdub, when you're free, can you probably review the flyer in svn so that it can be at least used by the LugRadioLive people [09:29] jsgotangco, what's the path in svn to the flyer? [09:29] robitaille, artwork :) === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.95.57.102] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:30] oh.. which one? ubuntu-brochure? [09:30] ubuntu_conferece_brocher_A4.svg [09:30] svn up if you still dont have it [09:32] got it. that's the one the broken png image. I was testing my newly-instal inkscape earlier on it [09:33] svn up again, i uplodaed the png [09:33] "firefox 1.04"...isn't that a bit misleading? [09:33] robitaille, i know that's why it should be edited :) [09:34] i mean reviewed [09:34] i could have just put dolor sit amet, etc. [09:34] hehe [09:36] got the new version with the png. looks great. [09:37] it looks awesome as 300 dpi PDF [09:38] (not bad for something done in 3 hours) [09:39] I have found that I'm totally hopeless with anything even remotely artistic for posters, logos, etc [09:40] do you want comments on the text, or the ball is in jdub's court? [09:40] i want comment on text, we can always change stuff on it, but of course, jdub's opinion would be great as well [09:40] (we wouldn't want to publish stuff that they can't vouch) [09:42] ok...so I think "firefox 1.0.4" is a bit misleading...but not sure what to put instead. "Firefox 1" looks funny. And "Firefox 1.0.2" looks insecure. [09:42] I would replace the "totally rad laptop support" The language seems out of place with the rest of the page. [09:43] yes, that's the stuff i want to be identified [09:43] we'd like people to know that our stuff works great with laptops [09:45] Ubuntu is not really "entirely free and open source"...just take the "kernel-restricted modules" packages installed by default :) [09:47] maybe "Excellent laptops support" as a replacement? Actually I'm not even sure what "rad" means here (english /= my 1st language). Radical? [09:47] yeah [09:47] hmm === jsgotangco wonders who coined Totally Rad laptop support [09:54] maybe you should put the default gdm picture (the one with the circle of people) instead of the screenshot of the desktop. That would put a nice human touch to the flyer. (that and I'm not a big fan of Hoary's default background image) [09:55] actually, i was asking mako/jdub/silbs about stock images from the hoary cd [09:56] the desktop was just there to put something [10:06] time to go to bed... good night [10:06] night [10:34] morning all [10:38] hello [10:40] hiya [10:51] whats up man [10:51] just getting up [10:51] last day at school today [10:51] :D [10:51] wow [10:51] after that what happens [10:52] just need to hand in my exams then I'm done [10:52] i start a job for a year in october after that i'll officially be a lawyer [10:52] til then i need to find something to do [10:52] hmmm [10:52] ambulance chase? [10:53] not sure I know that one [10:53] Be RiGhT bAcK [10:53] ambulance chasing [10:53] hehe [10:53] <-- shower [10:53] eww [10:53] why do you guys have the habit of chatting first before fixing up === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:59] back [10:59] so whats ambulance chasing [11:01] jsgotangco [11:02] [09:53:34] jsgotangco why do you guys have the habit of chatting first before fixing up [11:02] i consider this room part of my house [11:05] oh its an american term for lawyers that constantly are on the lookout for possible clients [11:05] oh of course [11:05] they usually stay near hospitals in the emergency rooms [11:06] personal injury lawyers are ebil [11:06] you know how evil those things are along with tort law [11:06] its part of tort law [11:06] tort law is pretty cool, just personal injury lawyers give it a bad name [11:06] corporate tort is the worst === mpt [mpt@210-55-161-180.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:07] so you guys have tort law eh?# [11:07]