=== dholbach [~daniel@td9091cf1.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:06] hellas [12:07] can everybody please give me a brief statement over their last month with the MOTU crew? [12:10] hi dholbach [12:10] hey [12:11] not hard to summarise my efforts recently ;) [12:11] although the last month includes everything since UDU [12:12] just a random statement - what you liked, what you did, what you disliked, which idea you had you want to tell the world :) [12:12] not just you, andrew :) [12:13] everyone has to file a report :) [12:13] nooooo, just a statement [12:14] alright.. [12:14] so it won't just be my babbling [12:14] :) [12:14] you don't babble [12:14] dholbach: hey [12:14] dholbach: review my package ;) [12:15] it's smeg [12:15] i need one more review [12:15] Amaranth: ... [12:15] dholbach: please? :) [12:15] Amaranth: if you want, I can review this afternoon after work? [12:15] ajmitch: that works, thanks [12:15] ajmitch: do you use svn.d.o? [12:15] Amaranth: i can absolutely understand your excitement [12:16] tseng: no, I haven't [12:16] not for commit access anyway [12:16] ajmitch: i can login to svn.d.o with ssh [12:16] but i cant commit with the same password over ssh [12:16] as in, it prompts again for the password [12:16] not some access control [12:17] did you try just putting in the password again? :) [12:17] yes [12:17] odd, is it wanting you to use an ssh key instead? [12:17] i dunno [12:17] i just uploaded a key to the web interface [12:17] ill try it again tommorow [12:19] oh yeah right [12:19] htf does that happen [12:20] eh, the ssh key works in any case === blablablabla [~maniac@p54A3C9E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:24] tseng: figured it out? [12:24] yeah it worked with the key after 3 tries [12:24] i cant imagine how i can type perfectly in the other tab [12:24] and fail repeatedly in that one [12:24] but yeah.. [12:24] its committed [12:24] great, I can at least remember my alioth password now [12:25] tseng: any comment on what the MOTUMono team achieved in the last month? want to mention something? [12:25] dholbach: heh, what hasn't it achieved? [12:25] dholbach: mono in main! :-) [12:25] dholbach: we moved 1.1.7 into breezy, updated every app per the new standards, drafted a policy doc for Debian review, moved to main... [12:25] and more! [12:26] almost everything specced out at UDU [12:26] well i wouldnt say that [12:26] we have alot of trouble on !x86 [12:27] and amd64 haven't even got the packages ;-) [12:27] i am going to bother sabdfl a good bit about testing hardware whenever he surfaces again [12:27] AFAIKS [12:27] Nafallo: QUITCHERBITCHIN [12:27] alright, got it [12:27] :P [12:27] tseng: I love you to :-) [12:27] thanks dholbach ! [12:27] so... come on people: some random comments [12:28] er [12:28] CXX team rocks my face [12:28] is MOTU live SO boring? [12:28] ogra is a canonical employee [12:28] um [12:28] tseng: huh? [12:28] Nafallo: huh? [12:29] tseng: when did he became that? :-) [12:29] sorry was that a secret [12:29] was it? [12:29] i didnt think so. [12:29] tseng: I dunno. I know that I didn't knew :-). [12:29] well, he did, and we should congratulate him [12:29] kewl! ping ogra!!! :-D [12:30] ogra: ping even [12:30] he's probably asleep, given that it's half past midnight in his TZ [12:30] when did that happen? [12:30] a few weeks. [12:30] cool [12:30] pong ? [12:30] Nafallo, [12:30] ogra: congrats! :-D === Nafallo hugs ogra * [12:30] heh, thanks :) [12:30] sorry i didnt mean to make a big fuss ogra. [12:31] heh [12:31] ogra: know that you are here dholbach want's random text from you ;-) [12:32] give a brief comment on: "your last month with the MOTU crew" [12:32] everybody :) [12:32] hmm, looks like I was dropped from NetworkMagic [12:32] can't you just say "we kicked ass"? [12:33] dholbach, feel free to qoute from my mails about Cxx transition :) [12:33] oh please [12:33] spontaneous! [12:33] i already DID research [12:33] now i want to add some life! :) [12:33] point out that MOTU works tighter with the backports team and that we hope that both sides participate in that [12:34] yeah [12:34] <\sh> back from brain reset part II [12:35] huh svn sucks [12:35] oh i know [12:36] \sh: Could I get you to review smeg for me? It's on MOTUNewPackages. [12:36] herve reviewed it and said it was ok, i fixed the one issue Riddell had, i just need one more [12:36] <\sh> Amaranth: sure this morning after coffee and first piece of newspaper :) [12:36] ok [12:37] <\sh> i just had a hard evening behind me, with the latest rumours about digital tv and internet over cable [12:37] <\sh> and then all the beer [12:37] <\sh> really hard.. [12:39] <\sh> ogra: greetings back from branislav...he's happy, that you found the job u ever whished for :) [12:39] so anyone have a ppc? [12:39] thanks :) [12:39] or ill have to bug pitti again [12:39] to build in concordia [12:40] silly mark.. [12:40] <\sh> ogra: and hi from sherif :) can i give him your icq uin? [12:40] http://moz.gotdns.org/ubuntu/motu-report/ [12:41] oops... well :) [12:41] <\sh> hehe [12:42] it could use some formatting [12:42] but its nice [12:42] no additions? [12:43] dholbach: that's a long URL for the merges :) [12:44] you could use tinyurl? [12:44] yeah, sure === ajmitch ought to put up his merge scripts & stuff some time [12:45] the list I ran a couple of days ago showed about 300 packages still [12:45] <\sh> dholbach: yes one addition [12:45] \sh: fire away [12:46] diamond, not diamon [12:46] <\sh> that without ogra and u, without the recruitement work ogra's doing and without your efford for having quality this team wouldn't be the one team :) [12:47] <\sh> and: THX FOR ALL THE ROCK AND ROLL ALL DAY :) [12:47] :) [12:47] yep without them i would be the only MOTU [12:47] WOW [12:47] they are the #1 recruiter [12:48] s === dholbach bows impressedly :) [12:49] <\sh> dholbach: and this is not only "blabla". ogra and I had some talks about personal leadership :) and he knows what I like and what not :) and u 2 have it, really, u made it, no, u make it, u will make it :) === Mithrandir tickles tseng [12:50] Stephan Hermann, new MOTU, C++ rocker and KDE enthusiast wants to add: "that without ogra and u, without the recruitement work ogra's doing and without dholbach's effort for having quality this team wouldn't be the one team :)" and: "THX FOR ALL THE ROCK AND ROLL ALL DAY :)" [12:50] Mithrandir: did i break something? :P [12:50] ok with you? :) [12:50] Mithrandir: thats my job. [12:50] tseng: no, not this time. [12:50] <\sh> and now...time to go to bed for \sh [12:50] good :) [12:50] tseng: does beagle do any kind of indexing of remote stuff? Or be able to connect to a remote beagle instance or something? [12:50] thanks \sh :) [12:50] Mithrandir: it has a web service === moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.160.45] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:51] i dont remember if i turned it on or not [12:51] there was a user request [12:51] A remote beagle would be an awesome idea. [12:51] tseng, so anybody can search your disk remotely ? [12:51] Like, if beagle could search remote NFS mounts by contacting the beagle on the remote NFS server [12:51] tseng: using what protocol? [12:51] ogra: yes [12:51] Mithrandir: http [12:52] it has its own interface i think [12:52] tseng: ew; can you get it to use client certs or something? [12:52] Mithrandir, its a built in webserver in beagle [12:52] I never used this yet [12:52] <\sh> tseng: y don't u use google? [12:52] Mithrandir: its off-by-default [12:52] It's crazy how there are so many negative reactions to searching remote systems. [12:52] tseng: but I want it, but I'd like it not to be crackful. [12:52] I am searching for a commercial product for my office right now to allow us to do that. [12:52] you have a firewall? [12:52] Mithrandir, you just connect to the remote box and lok up the online banking docs, cool eh ? [12:53] you can block the port and use stunnel or ssh or what not [12:53] anyway ill try and get it running here [12:53] tseng, thats a huge security hole [12:53] tseng: that's the wrong solution. :-) [12:53] ogra: blocking the port? [12:53] tseng: it should be using some sort of secure auth by default. [12:53] its off-by-default [12:53] ok, ill look at it im talking out my ass [12:53] Can beagle be run as a system daemon? [12:53] As root. [12:53] wasabi_: it runs as a user [12:53] tseng, split the package [12:53] Or something. [12:53] beagle-web [12:54] tseng: cheers, cool. [12:54] tseng: just wondering, mostly. :) [12:54] <\sh> ok..guys g'night ... will see u tomorrow :) [12:54] or even beagle-webserver [12:54] It'd be neat if it was like the ms indexing service. [12:54] corporations find that stuff invaluable [12:54] \sh, thanks for the flowers :) [12:54] http://www.gnomebangalore.org/images/Beagle-firefox-ws.png === tseng looks for docs [12:55] <\sh> ogra: give the flowers to your wife^Wgirlfriend :) I think she needs them more then u :) === \sh 's off [12:59] (--enable-network, Enable Network Service (default disabled)) [12:59] hm this is different from webservices option [12:59] i wonder what it does [12:59] blah, where's ivoks? [01:04] Mithrandir: away for studies for a week or something like that. [01:04] silly reason. :P [01:04] Enable Network yes [01:04] Enable WebServices yes [01:04] Enable Rendezvous no [01:04] Mithrandir: ;-) [01:04] this keeps getting scarier [01:04] hehe [01:04] i might leave it off [01:05] tseng: my mirrorscript is much scarier atm ;-) [01:05] good night people [01:05] bye dholbach [01:05] tseng: wants to redownload the whole main and restricted ;-) [01:05] have a nice... evening or something :) [01:05] dholbach: night :-) [01:07] tseng: and that's from all three releases :-P [01:07] ok i still dont see beagle opening a tcp port [01:08] tseng: rendezvous++ [01:08] Mithrandir: howl-- [01:08] tseng: but then I even more want it to authenticate. [01:08] oh oh [01:08] stupid me [01:08] $ ./configure --enable-webservices=yes [01:08] tseng: we need a free howl replacement. [01:08] i skipped the yet [01:09] yes* [01:09] hm no [01:09] it picked it up [01:09] "You must explicitly start it while launching beagled, by providing one of the following command line options: " [01:09] --web-start: starts web-server on port 8888 & root directory as $(prefix)/share/doc/xsp [01:09] --web-port xxxx: starts web-server on port xxxx & root dir as $(prefix)/share/doc/xsp [01:09] --web-root /x/y/z: starts web-server on port 8888, with root directory as /x/y/z [01:10] ah-hah tollef [01:10] Beagle web access is restricted to local accesses, by default. If you wish to have the your local beagle daemon support global web access, you must specify the command line option '--web-global'. === lamont__ [~lamont@15.238.5.156] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:12] http://beaglewiki.org/WebServiceInterface < its all on here [01:12] tseng: can you tell it what interface to listen to too? [01:12] i only see port [01:12] but at that point choosing an interface couldnt be that hard [01:16] interface to list to? [01:16] listen. [01:18] Mithrandir: i think its safe to ship with this in any case, since its non-trivial to turn on at all, and harder to go outside of localhsot [01:19] tseng: seems like it [01:19] Mithrandir: you should read about the access control to non-local users even once its allowing access they see no files by default. === tseng dinner? [01:34] \sh: pong [01:34] good morning all [01:49] bbl === blablablabla [~maniac@p54A3C9E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:51] tseng: does beagle require kernel 2.6.12 to work? or will it work ok with 2.6.10 (as shipped with hoary)? [01:52] i wouldnt recommend it [01:54] tseng: bummer :( ndiswrapper doesnt work too well on 2.6.12 for me :( [01:55] tseng: so i guess no beagle for the moment [01:55] 2.6.10's inotify doesnt work too well either [01:55] zul: yeah... i guess if i have to choose network connectivity versus beagle, i have to choose the network [01:58] mmm, ndiswrapper is bogus [02:03] tseng: what other choice do i have for a broadcom wifi card :( [02:03] Unfrgiven: replace it ;-) [02:04] Nafallo: this is on my laptop [02:04] Unfrgiven: yes? :-) [02:04] Nafallo: :P === Nafallo could replace his by removing one screw. [02:05] don't want to do that though ;-) === blablablabla [~maniac@p54A3C9E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:06] lazy :) [02:07] zul: baah. it's GPL'd now ;-) === mgalvin [~mgalvin@cpe-69-205-46-35.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:07] zul: btw, rt2x00 is beta. [02:07] zul: still think we should wait for final though. [02:08] i agree.. [02:10] zul: but! there is a new module ;-). rt2570. development started today on that. seems they are reusing a lot of code. === Amaranth begs a review :) [02:11] 802.11g rt2570 USB driver [02:11] im quite aware of it will have a look at it sometime [02:12] zul: I'll look at it aswell. I might do since I get all those bloody mails about it ;-) [02:12] might aswell even === mgalvin [~mgalvin@cpe-69-205-46-35.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [~doko___@dsl-082-082-192-254.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:22] after updating a debian package and sending it back up to debian, i should now change the version again to --0ubuntu1, correct? [02:22] If you have a change to make. [02:25] well i updated it to the latest version of the package [02:25] an ubuntu specific change you mean? [02:28] keyboard is going ntz, gottareboot anyay, brb === mgalvin [~mgalvin@cpe-69-205-46-35.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:32] much better :) [02:35] you guys are too unreasonable, therefore I will be releasing UU (Uber Ubuntu) next week....that is all ;) [02:36] the "Randy Rhinocerus" === Amaranth needs one more review for smeg :/ [02:54] Riddell: can you see if 0.7.4 fixes your issues with smeg? [02:59] Amaranth: URL? === Nafallo_ [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dahane [~dahane@c198162.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:38] Riddell: sorry, back [03:39] Riddell: http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/0.7.4/ [03:39] chillywilly: i hope you are joking. [03:40] tseng: he said that here right after complaining about firefox 1.0.4 in #ubuntu [03:40] gfg === Riddell reviews [03:43] herve reviewed and ok'd 0.7.4, didn't update the wiki [03:44] what is they general feeling about cdbs? do you guys use it here in ubuntu (other then for debian .debs that already use it)? [03:44] python-xdg was updated quickly [03:44] yes we use it [03:44] Riddell: yeah, seb jumped on it [03:44] i use it for all my new packages when it makes sense [03:44] i told him there was a new release, 5 minutes later he had it uploaded [03:45] Amaranth: yeah, users want smeg :p I don't want to make them angry :) [03:45] ;) [03:45] am I overly pissed off, or are people getting stupider? [03:45] tseng, thnx [03:45] mgalvin: nps [03:46] tseng: people are getting stupider, i think :P [03:46] heh [03:46] the winner for the day is {Seb} [03:46] "i am a beagle hacker" [03:49] tseng: yes that was a joke [03:49] k. [03:54] Amaranth: it doesn't seem to save changes [03:54] wha? [03:55] let me guess, it saved ~/.config/menus/applications.menu even though you used --kde [03:55] tseng: a little from column a, a little from column b [03:55] Amaranth: for one thing there's no Save button or menu entry [03:55] Amaranth: it does save to .config/menus/kde-applications.menu [03:55] Amaranth: but it doesn't actually change any of the names === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has left #ubuntu-motu ["doing] [03:56] does ~/.local/share/applications or ~/.local/share/desktop-directories/ have anything in it? [03:56] it seems to be working here [03:57] Amaranth: they do [03:57] Amaranth: but the files in them just have the origional Name= value and not the new one [03:58] Riddell: that makes no sense, i just tried here [03:58] Riddell: i removed all my local stuff, moved applications.menu aside, and worked in --kde mode [03:58] Riddell: did it change for any locale? [03:58] Amaranth: ah hah [03:58] Amaranth: yes [03:59] it changed for en_GB [03:59] Riddell: Your locales are setup wrong? [03:59] but my chroot is in C [03:59] oh, that bug [03:59] yeah [03:59] nothing i can do there :/ [03:59] Amaranth: ok, it's just chroot strangeness, I'll let you off :) [03:59] heh [04:00] python reads /etc/environment [04:00] which hoary sets wrong, i thought maybe that was biting you [04:00] Amaranth: from a usability view I think it should open properties on a double click [04:00] and it should have a save button or menu entry [04:00] but I'm all for having it uploaded [04:00] I thought the 'GNOME Way' was auto apply. ;) === Riddell doesn't do Gnome Way [04:01] well, it's a gnome app that just happens to work pretty well with kde :D [04:01] yeah [04:02] be happy i removed the dependency on python2.4-gnome2 :D [04:02] feel free to port it to pyqt :) [04:02] ha [04:02] document pyqt first [04:02] even as is, i think it's a huge improvement over kmenuedit [04:03] agreed [04:03] no offense to waldo [04:03] waldo isn't a usability expert [04:05] so still needs one more person to review? [04:05] yeah [04:06] be trying to round one up for about 8 hours now :/ === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0523.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:19] good night all [04:20] omg [04:21] i have /dev/bull file :) [04:21] some package has typo :) [04:22] lmao [04:22] what's in it? === bradb [~bradb@modemcable141.58-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch returns [04:24] Amaranth: updating mime :) [04:24] ivoks: does it persist across reboots? if so, it's a typo in udev [04:25] well... i don't reboot this machine [04:25] heh [04:25] i even upgraded from sarge to hoary without reboot :) [04:25] grep -r bull /etc [04:25] -sr [04:26] nothing... hm [04:26] Updating MIME database in /usr/share/mime... [04:27] dpkg -S /dev/bull ? [04:27] no [04:27] that's not going to work [04:27] true [04:27] maybe it's my fault [04:27] I guess the mknod would be in a pre/post script [04:28] so grep in /var/lib/dpkg/info [04:28] but i never redirected output from dpkg [04:28] lol [04:28] but a script might do ... 2>&1 > /dev/bull [04:28] yes [04:28] so you don't have to look at output [04:28] Argument list too long [04:28] ok... let's try another aproach :) [04:28] use find :) [04:29] bluefish [04:29] :))) [04:29] I have an idea [04:29] just a sec [04:29] bluefish.postinst: /usr/bin/update-mime-database /usr/share/mime > /dev/bull [04:29] yea, that's what I was about to say, is check the dpkg scripts dir [04:29] fix it, file bug in debian if it's there :) === ajmitch looks up debian's BTS [04:29] ajmitch: will do, but now is 4:30AM :) [04:30] oh, looks like ubuntu has a newer version, maintainer dholbach ;) [04:31] he's typo? :) [04:31] he's?! [04:31] uh... his [04:31] seems to be :) [04:31] malone report time! [04:32] ivoks: want me to file it for you? [04:32] man [04:32] look at ajmitch, all excited to file malone bugs [04:32] schweeb: ? [04:32] haha [04:32] malone is fun ;) [04:33] :) [04:33] ajmitch: I saw the pic of you and tseng flipping me off, how rude :P [04:33] ajmitch: i will do it :) [04:33] schweeb: haha :) [04:33] ajmitch: Could you take a look at smeg now? It's on MOTUNewPackages [04:33] schweeb: yeah, forgot about that one :) [04:33] Amaranth: you're keen to get this reviewed, aren't you? [04:33] yeah :) [04:33] i only need one more person [04:34] herve didn't update the wiki before he left :/ [04:34] are all the deps in main or universe? [04:34] hmm [04:34] i think main [04:34] wonder if mako ever checked to see if my CoC sig was fine for membership... [04:34] Amaranth: as long as they're in so that I can build it & run it :) [04:34] schweeb: :)) [04:35] it's just python stuff, pyxdg, and a dep on gnome-menus | kdelibs-data [04:35] yeah, it's all in breezy though [04:35] great [04:35] since I haven't been around much laterly [04:35] *lately === ajmitch hopes he doesn't have to upgrade too much [04:35] there a big list of shit to do? [04:35] ajmitch: just pyxdg, afaik [04:35]