[12:00] <Fuzz> anyone know the command to reconfigure my xorg?
[12:00] <Thorrn4> is there a way to use the # pad to create letters? like accented letters
[12:00] <rtuck> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg might do the trick, Fuzz.
[12:01] <Fuzz> yea thats it i knew it vaguely but forgot
[12:01] <polie> any one got bluetooth working on warty??
[12:01] <dockane> does anyone use streamtuner ?
[12:01] <_REds> nah gstreamer
[12:01] <IIIEars> dockane - yeppers streamtuner/streamripper.
[12:02] <oDysseas> I'm having a problem starting X in ubuntu, this is a fresh install and when gdm starts all I see is a corrupt screen with many squares. The Xorg.0.log doesn't have any errors
[12:02] <dockane> IIIEars, could you please confirm the following reaction of streamtuner : pressing ctrl + r does not update the list i.e. of shoutcast server but brings forward a search dialogue ?
[12:03] <Thorrn4> HELLO!! i have a bit of a problem...Linux has been runnning slow all day for me (Ubuntu) and XFCE took awhile to load, as well as all programs...what could it be? do I need to defrag the hd or something? is that needed?
[12:04] <IIIEars> hm - odd it refreshes the list and yours brings up "search"?
[12:04] <Marble2> how can I enable the admin web interface in CUPS?
[12:04] <dooglus> Thorrn4: I've heard it said that the Linux filesystems never need defragging - although I find that hard to believe.
[12:05] <dooglus> Thorrn4: did you check 'top' to see what your CPU is spending its time doing?
[12:05] <polie> any 1 have a sony ericsson s700i?
[12:05] <Thorrn4> dooglus, where can I do that?
[12:05] <IIIEars> dockane - if i have search" highlighted it always brings "search" forward.
[12:05] <oDysseas> I believe its the nv drivers fault. Whats the command to install the nvidia propiertary drivers?
[12:06] <dooglus> Thorrn4: run a terminal and type 'top' into it.  It shows a list of the processes, with the busiest ones at the top
[12:06] <dockane> IIIEars, thnx : my mistake ;)
[12:06] <IIIEars> NP - cool to have a place to check on things. :)
[12:07] <lleberg> When i plays ogg or mp3 in xmms, it freezes and i have to kill it, i don't get any sound in games.. But i can litsen to a record using my optical drive...
[12:07] <lleberg> Why is this? :)
[12:07] <Fuzz> is there any newer version of ndiswrapper in the reposatories than .8?
[12:08] <IIIEars> dockane - of course now you are here we have you. - grin - stick around pitch and test streamtuner for any other bugs - lol
[12:09] <selinium> polie: I've got the P900
[12:09] <rtuck> "could not open default font path 'fixed';"   Anyone ever had such an error?
[12:09] <IIIEars> ubuntu can always use more people here.
[12:09] <stijndg> http://www.linuxheadquarters.com/howto/tuning/kernelsources.shtml -> this is the way to install your kernel source right?
[12:10] <andax> it seems like i've stuck with an unbootable system, when ubuntu should start the grub "console" appears. how can I boot /vmlinuz with the option "root=/dev/hda1" ?
[12:11] <andax> i don't know grub at all :(
[12:11] <^thehatsrule^> andax, maybe load a default menu.lst?
[12:11] <transgress> there a way to make .deb's from source code packages?  i use checkinstall right now and was wondering if there is a better way...
[12:11] <andax> ^thehatsrule^: how to do that?
[12:12] <^thehatsrule^> either get one from the web, or the cd
[12:12] <Thorrn4> its is at 64-9% dooglus
[12:12] <andax> ^thehatsrule^: isn't it possible to somehow just boot /vmlinuz?
[12:14] <Dukoo> hi
[12:14] <Dukoo> can anyone help me?
[12:14] <Dukoo> how do i add links on the 'Applications' bar?
[12:14] <Fuzz> okay i have an ndiswrapper 1.21 tar package what do i do with it? i am in a fresh install do i need any tools?
[12:14] <andax> or the question in another way, how to tell grub to pass the parameter "root=/dev/hda1" to the kernel?
[12:16] <GdCondor> hi
[12:16] <daan> Hallo?
[12:16] <j4sp_>  /msg nickserv link j4sp wappie00
[12:16] <SloMoSnail> andax: something like kernel (hd1,0)/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1... just add the parameter at the end of the kernel line
[12:17] <GdCondor> I'm trying to add an application in the "open with" window of the properties of a file but I've the error "Could not add application to the application database" -> what's that ???
[12:17] <Dukoo> how do i add links on the 'Applications' menu?
[12:17] <daan> Is there anybody I can ask a question?
[12:18] <andax> SloMoSnail: kernel panic cannot open "hda1" :(
[12:18] <andax> okay seems like it's a serious trouble
[12:18] <andax> hda1 should have a valid bootable ubuntu installation
[12:19] <andax> with lot of important stuff of course
[12:19] <daan> I am trying to dual boot with winxp
[12:19] <bobbyd> daan: just ask
[12:19] <brush> what's a good channel for asking about a bash shell script?
[12:19] <daan> I had xp pro
[12:19] <bobbyd> brush: #bash ?
[12:19] <toresbe> brush: #bash, not surprisingly ;)
[12:19] <daan> on e:
[12:19] <brush> thx
[12:19] <daan> and xp pro 64 on c:
[12:19] <vh13> hi
[12:20] <daan> then I installed ubunto on c:
[12:20] <daan> now I can't get grub to dual boot me
[12:20] <daan> Don't know which partition e: is for grub
[12:21] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> did you install the grub on the mbr ?
[12:21] <GdCondor> !seen tirian
[12:21] <ubotu> GdCondor: i haven't seen 'tirian'
[12:21] <daan> No I don't think so, I used the grub that automatically came with ubunto
[12:21] <j4sp> Hi, I have a question:
[12:21] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> yes but it will ask you where to install it
[12:21] <j4sp> Ubuntu has installed mysql on my machine, does any one know how to find out what the root password is?
[12:22] <j4sp> or how to change it?
[12:22] <daan> Ohhh well then I think I installed it on the what was my c:
[12:22] <daan> I came to a screen where it asked where to install ubunto
[12:23] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> daan, best bet is to reinstall ubuntu and watch for when it ask you if you want to select installing Grub to the mbr and have it go there
[12:23] <daan> and I told it to go onto the the largest unused space
[12:23] <Fuzz> what version of ndiswrapper is in the ubuntu reposatorie?
[12:23] <Dukoo> hi
[12:23] <Dukoo> let's see
[12:23] <daan> after that I can dual boot with windows?
[12:23] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> yes
[12:23] <Dukoo> How can I add links i want to Applications menu bar???
[12:23] <daan> And when exectly does it ask me?
[12:23] <bobbyd> Fuzz: I think there's a web interface to the apps
[12:23] <hussam> where do I obtain the app gmake from?
[12:24] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> just before it reboots daan
[12:24] <Fuzz> i know but i do not have net now
[12:24] <toresbe> hussam: "GNU Make" :)
[12:24] <bobbyd> Fuzz: soooo, how are you talking to me?
[12:24] <Fuzz> magic, im in windows on another pc
[12:24] <daan> so I reinstall and have it use the same partition as I had earlier for ubunto?
[12:24] <hussam> toresbe: so I apt-get what?
[12:25] <toresbe> hussam: You should get that, and all other nessecary utilities to compile, with the package "build-essential"
[12:25] <bobbyd> Fuzz: and you can't look at websites with your windows PC?
[12:25] <Dukoo> please :$
[12:25] <Dukoo> How can I add links i want to Applications menu bar???
[12:25] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> yes daan
[12:25] <daan> ok
[12:25] <daan> well thanks I'll try that
[12:25] <daan> bye
[12:25] <bobbyd> Dukoo: don't repeat
[12:25] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> place ubuntu in the c drive and have the mbr selected for Grub
[12:26] <Dukoo> bobbyd: I know, but i need to know it :$
[12:26] <Dukoo> it can't be that hard :$
[12:26] <hussam> toresbe: I already have "build-essential" but it has make. Is that the same as gmake?
[12:26] <toresbe> yep
[12:26] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> Dukoo, for what applications ?
[12:26] <Dukoo> for any i install
[12:27] <Dukoo> i.e. Games
[12:27] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> are you using gnome or kde ?
[12:27] <Dukoo> GNOME
[12:27] <toresbe> hussam: "gmake" is used to differentiate between different makes on systems who has them
[12:27] <toresbe> hussam: ie BSD
[12:27] <misieq> hi!
[12:27] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> right click on the desktop and create launcher
[12:27] <Dukoo> yes
[12:27] <Dukoo> done that
[12:27] <hussam> toresbe: here http://www.mozilla.org/build/make-build.html , it says gmake. so I should run "make" instead of "gmake"?
[12:27] <thundrcleeze> Marble2, no idea what to do then?
[12:27] <misieq> how can i convert wav to ogg?
[12:28] <toresbe> uhm
[12:28] <toresbe> why are you building mozilla?!
[12:28] <Dukoo> & then?
[12:28] <andax> ^thehatsrule^, SloMoSnail: i have damn big _luck_. I've booted from a slackware cd created a new menu.lst and now it boots... HUH. :)
[12:28] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> misieq, is it from an original cd ?
[12:28] <hussam> toresbe: for fun :)
[12:28] <toresbe> hussam: oh dear, a masochist ;)
[12:28] <andax> scared the hell out of me, time to make a backup :)
[12:28] <misieq> Pop_pa_FrEaK, yes
[12:28] <toresbe> but yes, "make" is the word.
[12:28] <Dukoo> Pop_pa_FrEaK: what's next?
[12:28] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> then download grip and rip it from that
[12:28] <hussam> toresbe: ok thanks :)
[12:29] <toresbe> hussam: no problem :)
[12:29] <misieq> Pop_pa_FrEaK, grip just screwed my apt-get :/
[12:29] <toresbe> hussam: have fun...er, looking at... endless lines of gcc output... :P
[12:29] <misieq> i can't add or remove any pkg
[12:29] <hussam> toresbe: indeed lol
[12:29] <polie> hi all
[12:29] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> Dukoo, in the command line just browse to where you installed the folder and then find the executable file and boom there ya go and make a name for it
[12:30] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> misieq, why don't you use synaptic ?
[12:30] <misieq> i do use\
[12:30] <Dukoo> Pop_pa_FrEaK, what I want to do is add the to the 'Games' Folder for exapmlloe
[12:30] <polie> any one using bluetooth for phones in warty?
[12:30] <Dukoo> in the bar for 'Applications'
[12:31] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hmmm not sure Dukoo
[12:31] <Dukoo> ok
[12:31] <Dukoo> thanks anyway
[12:31] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> np sorry couldn't be more help
[12:31] <misieq> Pop_pa_FrEaK, strange.... it somehowe repaired itself :|
[12:32] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> must be a heavenly miracle huh ?
[12:32] <polie> any one got bluetooth to work in warty?
[12:32] <aroman> hello
[12:32] <lotusleaf> possible to install the latest NVIDIA driver (released yesterday) in Hoary or do we have to wait until Breezy for an nvidia driver update?
[12:33] <aroman> is there any way to limit the upload rate of a program?
[12:33] <Amaranth> breezy
[12:33] <j4sp> does ubuntu use a default mysql password? how do i get in?
[12:33] <Amaranth> if it gets that driver
[12:33] <Amaranth> the new driver drops support for some older cards
[12:33] <^thehatsrule^> lol a lot of its compatible andax :P
[12:33] <j4sp> can't i change it if i'm root?
[12:33] <lotusleaf> Amaranth, any way to manually update it without having to wait? :)
[12:33] <polie> any one got bluetooth to work in warty??
[12:33] <Amaranth> lotusleaf: No recommended way. Is your computer broken right now?
[12:33] <lotusleaf> Amaranth, no but I want the new driver :P
[12:34] <Amaranth> polie: warty?
[12:34] <herbal_brb_smoke> hmmm im installing the drivers from synapse i hope it works and that was what i was supposed to do
[12:34] <Amaranth> lotusleaf: If you're that motivated you should be able to find it yourself. :P
[12:34] <j4sp> or should I install my own mysql, and not use ubuntu's? I'ld rather not.
[12:34] <lotusleaf> Amaranth, bah. :P Can I just install using the binary on NVIDIA's site?
[12:35] <Amaranth> lotusleaf: Every kernel upgrade (even for security) will probably mean reinstalling the driver.
[12:35] <polie> polie:you should speak to a wall
[12:35] <lotusleaf> Amaranth, true
[12:35] <lotusleaf> Amaranth, thanks for responses ;)
[12:35] <Amaranth> polie: I don't think anyone here uses warty, sorry.
[12:35] <lunarknight> does anyone use bittornado? how do I start it from shell?
[12:36] <darkmark> hi all, how do I capture a kernel oops on shutdown? nothing appears in /var/log after it happens
[12:36] <polie> who have got bluetooth to work in ubuntu??
[12:36] <Fackamato> lunarknight: btdownloadgui
[12:36] <Rotund> hmmm... someone mentioned me when I was at work
[12:37] <Rotund> you still around mystery writer?
[12:37] <Fackamato> it was over 12 hours ago
[12:37] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> anyone here able to view videos off of launch.com ?
[12:37] <Fackamato> because that long is my history in this channel, and no rotund mentioned
[12:37] <Fackamato> ,P
[12:38] <Rotund> okay.  I must not have checked it before going to work =)
[12:38] <dpo1> I have a question about interaction of newly installed programs and Gnome. Twice now, I've installed things only to have them not show up in the panel (or anywhere else). In one case (Scribus), the program showed up after a reboot or two. Right now I'm having the same issue with adobe, except that it hasn't shown up yet. Is there a way of forcing things to show up in the panel, preferably without rebooting?
[12:39] <Fackamato> in the panel?
[12:39] <Fackamato> they're supposed to show up in the "program" menu
[12:39] <lotusleaf> dpol I run sudo update-menus
[12:39] <dpo1> let me try that. It is that they aren't showing up in the programs menu that is the problem.
[12:40] <darkmark> where does a kernel oops get recorded? /var/log/syslog?
[12:40] <lotusleaf> dpol I have a debian submenu that showed up with programs that don't show elsewhere
[12:40] <Rotund> More than likely Adobe uses the old menu stanards (they made a new one that's used in 2.10)
[12:42] <Rotund> I have the same issue w/ AbiWord
[12:42] <Rotund> It never showed up in my menus
[12:42] <dpo1> I'm not getting update-menus as a recognised command
[12:42] <Rotund> sudo apt-get install menu
[12:42] <caine> ok i need help installing yahoo messenger on ubuntu...i already have Gaim but i need yahoo also
[12:42] <popey> gaim does yahoo
[12:42] <Rotund> Gaim does yahoo
[12:43] <caine> i have the dpkg -i ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb file
[12:43] <popey> *snap*!
[12:43] <Rotund> =)
[12:43] <caine> but it doesnt do yahoo cam
[12:43] <caine> yahoo does
[12:43] <Rotund> ahhh
[12:43] <Amaranth> caine: That is yahoo
[12:43] <Rotund> I just hope they add a menu-editor in 2.12... or preferably in a 2.10.x
[12:44] <caine> how do i install the dpkg -i ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb file.....the instructions on yahoo.com dont work
[12:44] <Amaranth> Rotund: I wrote a menu editor for 2.10
[12:44] <Rotund> you did?
[12:44] <Rotund> where can I get it?
[12:44] <popey> caine: "sudo dpkg -i ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb"
[12:44] <popey> do that
[12:44] <Rotund> is it integrated (or could it be)
[12:44] <Amaranth> Rotund: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38183
[12:44] <Xylene|Laptop> what do i need to install to listen to mp3s in rythmbox?
[12:44] <Amaranth> Rotund: Not integrated.
[12:44] <polie> any gils?
[12:44] <caine> it doesnt work
[12:44] <polie> any gilrls
[12:44] <polie> any girls?
[12:44] <Amaranth> any what?
[12:45] <caine> thats the instructions on yahoo
[12:45] <Amaranth> polie: That is off-topic.
[12:45] <popey> "doesn't work" doesn't explain the problem
[12:45] <caine> "sudo dpkg -i ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb" does not work for some reason
[12:45] <popey> what does it do or not do
[12:45] <caine> dpkg: error processing ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[12:45] <caine> Errors were encountered while processing: ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb
[12:45] <Rotund> Looks SWEET.  Nice Amaranth
[12:45] <caine> sry that wasnt supposed to flood like that
[12:46] <polie> ok any girls who can show me how to install bluetooth
[12:46] <popey> is the file in the current directory?
[12:46] <lotusleaf> polie, try #gaygeeks
[12:46] <Amaranth> Rotund: Use the installsmeg script. If you don't get the gnome-menus that it installs I won't accept bug reports.
[12:46] <lotusleaf> :P
[12:46] <Xylene|Laptop> is libgmp3 what i need to listen to mp3s in rythmbox?
[12:46] <Amaranth> Rotund: The difference between the one I provide and the one for hoary is _huge_.
[12:46] <Rotund> I'm running it as we speak
[12:46] <polie> how about no
[12:47] <schleyfox> is there a place where I can yank the kernel source that ubuntu warty uses?
[12:47] <schleyfox> it would be helpful to have
[12:47] <popey> schleyfox: apt-get it
[12:47] <Rotund> Xylene|Laptop: you need gstreamer-mp3
[12:47] <schleyfox> which package
[12:48] <schleyfox> and how can I make apt-get ignore broken packages
[12:48] <Unintentional> Hey, is there any file system supported by Ubuntu, XP, and OSX?
[12:48] <popey> schasi: linux-source-2.6.10 etc
[12:48] <caine> \caine@Caine:/tmp$ sudo dpkg -i ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb (Reading database ... 85282 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace ymessenger 1.0.4_1 (using ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb) ... Unpacking replacement ymessenger ... dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ymessenger: ymessenger depends on libssl0.9.6; however:  Package libssl0.9.6 is not installed. dpkg: error processing ymessenger (--install): depe
[12:48] <caine> ndency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: ymessenger
[12:48] <caine> damnit i cant make it not flood
[12:48] <Unintentional> I'm formatting an external drive that will be used on all three systems.
[12:48] <j4sp> i found it, the password is in the /etc/mysql/debian.cnf file.
[12:48] <popey> caine: sudo apt-get install libssl0.9.6
[12:48] <j4sp> weird
[12:48] <Rotund> Xylene|Laptop: Take that back.  gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:49] <Xylene|Laptop> thanks
[12:49] <popey> caine: then, once libssl is installed, try to dpkg -i the yahoo messenger package again
[12:49] <funky> E: Package babytrans-common has no installation candidate
[12:49] <Rotund> Xylene|Laptop: Is it there?  I get it from another repository
[12:49] <funky> what means that ?
[12:49] <caine> ok
[12:49] <caine> h/o
[12:49] <Xylene|Laptop> no, i don't see it
[12:49] <Xylene|Laptop> i didn;t have to do this last time i installed..
[12:50] <schleyfox> I force installed some packages, they work fine, but apt-get says they are broken and tries to remove them
[12:50] <Rotund> you need anotehr repository
[12:50] <schleyfox> how can I make apt-get just shut up
[12:50] <NetGeek> afternoon all
[12:50] <Xylene|Laptop> ugh, why did they change this?
[12:50] <popey> schleyfox: it does what you tell it
[12:50] <Rotund> Or, you might just need multiverse turned on
[12:50] <Xylene|Laptop> how do i do that?
[12:51] <schleyfox> but when I go in there I just say install foo and it goes well ok but first we have to uninstall all of your broken packages
[12:51] <Rotund> open synaptic
[12:51] <schleyfox> and I am like no
[12:51] <schleyfox> and it is like "yes"
[12:51] <schleyfox> and we battle to the death
[12:51] <Xylene|Laptop> ok, got it open
[12:52] <james> hello
[12:52] <james> how is everybody?
[12:52] <james> how do i install lime wire
[12:52] <james> ?
[12:53] <_kevin> james
[12:53] <_kevin> james try www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:53] <_kevin> I think theere is a tutorial there
[12:53] <james> ok thanks
[12:55] <schleyfox> seriously, I want to be able to use apt-get without it criticizing my taste in window managers (I force installed e17)
[12:55] <schleyfox> how can I make it shut up and live with it
[12:57] <blueyed> Can someone give me a hint why the delete key produces a '~' when using ssh to a remote server and when using "screen" there even backspace produces a "bell"..? it's not when ssh'ing localhost.
[12:58] <dbasinge> schleyfox: apt-pinning may work http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html
[12:59] <nova> is there any way to asign a icon to a .sh file?
[12:59] <nova> i use one to automaticaly cd to the proper dir and enter a command to stat my game
[01:00] <NTolerance> does anyone here use an Orinoco wireless card?
[01:00] <NetGeek> NTolerance: yes
[01:01] <NTolerance> do you have scanning support in Ubuntu?
[01:01] <popey> NTolerance: yes I use an orinoco card
[01:01] <popey> orinoco gold
[01:01] <NTolerance> mine is a Lucent Wavelan IEE that uses the orinoco_cs driver
[01:01] <NTolerance> i'm trying to get scanning support.....it's very elusive
[01:02] <NetGeek> NTolerance: install the driver from cvs. I wrote a howto under warty
[01:02] <NTolerance> i can do monitor mode just fine, but all the GUI apps need scanning support
[01:02] <oDysseas> how do you add extra repositories? the wiki says you should just uncomment the two lines ine /etc/apt/sources.list but the only line there is in that file is for the ubuntu cdrom
[01:02] <karsten> oDysseas: Copy the hoary / warty line.  You change (hoary|warty) to 'universe' or 'multiverse'.
[01:03] <karsten> What's Ubuntu's committment to providing a LiveCD?
[01:03] <NTolerance> NetGeek, I have searched for your username on the forums and looked at the howto section but i don't see it
[01:03] <NTolerance> is it in the wiki?
[01:04] <oDysseas> karsten: what do you mean copy the hoary/warty line? the only thing that there is in that file is this: deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release amd64 (20050407)] / hoary main$
[01:04] <karsten> oDysseas: Hrm.  There should be lines referencing http access below that, no?
[01:05] <oDysseas> no
[01:05] <popey> oDysseas: run "sudo apt-setup" and choose an http mirror
[01:05] <popey> then add as karsten says
[01:05] <oDysseas> there was a problem in the installation and it didn't configure synaptic
[01:05] <Xylene|Laptop> where in ubuntu is the config to tell what daemons are set to start at boot, example: cups
[01:05] <popey> apt-setup will do that oDysseas
[01:05] <Xylene|Laptop> i want to disable everything i don't nned
[01:05] <oDysseas> ok thanks
[01:07] <Unintentional> Really basic question: what's the command to copy a file or directory?
[01:07] <oDysseas> cp /path/to/file /path/to/destination
[01:07] <Unintentional> thanks.
[01:08] <lleberg> Does that remove the orignial file?
[01:08] <Unintentional> I just get the error "Omitting directory xxx" when I'm trying this.
[01:08] <hyphenater> No
[01:08] <oDysseas> Unintentional: man cp
[01:09] <Xylene|Laptop> use cp -r
[01:10] <Xylene|Laptop> where in ubuntu is the config to tell what daemons are set to start at boot, example: cupsys
[01:10] <Unintentional> hmm, I still get the same error.
[01:10] <Unintentional> Even with the -r.
[01:11] <kent> Is there an easy way to purge the list of backgrounds in the program to configure backgroundimages in gnome? There is no way to select all images, and i have more than 100 images, dont want to click on every single one of them :(
[01:12] <ubuwookie> anyone know if it is possible to mount a ftp site to a filesystem like /media/ftpsite ?
[01:12] <hyphenater> Unintentional, paste the command you're typing
[01:12] <Unintentional>  cp /mnt/music/Noise /media/SWISNIFE1/Music/Noise
[01:12] <Unintentional> cp: omitting directory `/mnt/music/Noise'
[01:13] <hyphenater> No -r?
[01:13] <kvidell> kent: edit ~/.gnome2/backgrounds.xml
[01:13] <Unintentional> Oh.  I got it working.  Thanks!
[01:14] <kent> kvidell, thanks. You saved my night :)
[01:14] <hyphenater> Xylene|Laptop, try looking in /etc/init.d/
[01:15] <kvidell> kent: Glad to have been of help :)
[01:17] <dockane> inkscape is a pretty nice vector drawing
[01:18] <Hajime_Saitou> hola
[01:18] <Hajime_Saitou> como estan
[01:19] <roben> buen
[01:19] <Merlik> too late
[01:19] <verbosus> weeeee
[01:19] <verbosus> hello everyone
[01:19] <roben> merlik: no shit ;)
[01:20] <Merlik> yeah.  next time you gotta recall the spanish just a bit quicker :)
[01:20] <verbosus> steadicat!
[01:20] <Sophie_Msumu> hello
[01:20] <steadicat> hiho
[01:20] <verbosus> feh-ho
[01:21] <Sophie_Msumu> how do you change ubuntu splashscreen
[01:21] <Sophie_Msumu> ?
[01:21] <_kevin> i keep getting an error message when running gparted "Error: Input/output error during read on /dev/hdb"
[01:22] <hyphenater> Sophie_Msumu, do you mean the login screen?
[01:22] <roben> Merlik: haha...
[01:22] <ubuwookie> anyone know if it is possible to mount a ftp site to a filesystem like /media/ftpsite ?
[01:22] <Sophie_Msumu> hyphenater: no the splash screen not the gdm
[01:22] <_kevin> sophie_msumu click on system > administration > Login Screen Setup
[01:22] <ubuwookie> anyone know if it is possible to mount a ftp site to a filesystem like /media/ftpsite ?
[01:23] <Sophie_Msumu> _kevin: not the login screen
[01:23] <_kevin> ohh
[01:23] <Sophie_Msumu> the SPLASH SCREEN
[01:23] <_kevin> when ubuntu is starting up
[01:23] <_kevin> and showing the different things loading up
[01:23] <_kevin> after the login?
[01:23] <Sophie_Msumu> yes
[01:23] <kent> ubuwookie, why do you want to do that? You know you can use the filemanager in the desktop to browse ftp site, and even have them mounted on the desktop (though not the same as realy mounted, only for gnome-vfs.)
[01:23] <Sophie_Msumu> you got it
[01:24] <kent> Sophie_Msumu, there is a FAQ on art.gnome.org about that. You can look there. Its not hard.
[01:25] <marcot> Hello.
[01:25] <marcot> Someone here in FISL?
[01:25] <dooglus> is there a fixed version of grep available for ubuntu?  or is there someone I should poke to get the 'speedup' fix ported to ubuntu?
[01:25] <Sophie_Msumu> kent: actually I was asking if someone in here knows about a special program that could help to do so
[01:26] <leitao_> Hello, My machine have crashed and it was necessarily to reboot. When it started, fsck forces a scan, but it stops, and ask for root password. But i dont know the password, cause i always use sudo. What could i do?
[01:26] <leitao_> marcot: a friend of mine is there.
[01:26] <hyphenater> leitao_, the root password is the same as the user password you gave during install
[01:27] <marcot> leitao_: what's his name?
[01:27] <ubuwookie> kent: I would really like to create a shell script so I can simple "cp -u /site/* /media/ftpsite"
[01:27] <leitao_> marcot: kiko and evandro, both from async. (brazil)
[01:27] <ubuwookie> you see
[01:27] <leitao_> hyphenater: the same password as the sudo user?
[01:27] <Azmodan> I just installed Ubuntu and I have no sound at all (exept in frozen-bubble for some reason), sound works fine on the Warty LiveCD.  Any idea ?
[01:27] <kent> Sophie_Msumu, Well, its kind of easy (i think) so you dont need a special program..  but search on google for "gnome splash edit" it might help :)
[01:28] <marcot> leitao_: async?
[01:28] <hyphenater> leitao_, yes, it should be. If not try "sudo passwd"
[01:28] <dooglus> leitao_: that's not true.  by default there is no root password
[01:28] <oDysseas> my sources.list had only an entry for the ubuntu cd and I did sudo apt-setup to get some sources, should I have done something different for amd64? Because I installed the amd64 version
[01:28] <hyphenater> My mistake then
[01:28] <kent> ubuwookie, there are scripts to mirror ftp-sites, if thats what you want to do.
[01:28] <dooglus> hyphenater: but yes, "sudo passwd" will allow him to set a root password
[01:29] <leitao_> dooglus, hyphenater: no password? what can i do?? i dont have bash do try sudo passwd..
[01:29] <leitao_> marcot: www.async.com.br
[01:29] <dooglus> leitao_: boot from a rescue cd of some kind perhaps?
[01:30] <leitao_> dooglus: i'll try this.. But i thought there was a easier way!
[01:30] <leitao_> thx anyway
[01:30] <dooglus> leitao_: I'm not familiar enough with the ubuntu installation cd and live cd - but one of them will probably allow you to be root without using your hard disk
[01:30] <marcot> leitao_: hum... are you from Brazil?
[01:30] <leitao_> marcot: sure
[01:30] <dooglus> leitao_: that's one of the problems of not having a root password set up i guess.
[01:31] <leitao_> dooglus: yeh.. i will loose a lot of time doing this. argh!
[01:31] <dooglus> leitao_: what kind of file system is it you are using?  I use reiserfs and have never been asked for a root password when booting - and the kernel crashes for me around 10 times a day...
[01:31] <marcot> leitao_: voc  de onde?
[01:31] <ubuwookie> kent: i guess
[01:32] <leitao_> marcot: campinas
[01:32] <marcot> leitao_: Por que no veio?
[01:32] <leitao_> dooglus: ext3
[01:32] <marcot> leitao_: esses colegas seus vo fazer mais uma distribuio?
[01:32] <leitao_> marcot: not enough free time. :-(
[01:33] <marcot> leitao_: I understand..
[01:33] <dooglus> leitao_: I see.  I never really used ext3.  Tried it for an hour once, but never got to see how it coped with crashes.
[01:34] <leitao_> marcot: not enough free time. :-(
[01:34] <leitao_> dooglus: ok. thanks anyways!
[01:35] <marcot> leitao_: what about your friends distribution?
[01:35] <kvidell> Anyone got an IDG/Linux-World Expo Priority code they aren't planning on using?
[01:38] <fishie> i forgot to disconnect vnc from when i was at work
[01:38] <fishie> how do i kill it now im at home?
[01:38] <runedude> fishie: er.. ps x | grep vnc ?
[01:39] <fishie> oh yea
[01:39] <fishie> i didn't think it would be listed as a process
[01:39] <fishie> :)
[01:40] <kvidell> everything running has a pid, or should
[01:40] <fidget> hello
[01:40] <kvidell> 'lo.
[01:41] <fidget> umm this might sound like a newb question ... which I guess it is ... but How do I mount a folder?
[01:41] <fidget> UT2004's install says that I have to mount it ... to install from it?
[01:41] <imaek> How do you install fonts using GNOME?
[01:41] <fishie> you mean you have to mount the cdrom?
[01:42] <fidget> ah ... well .. I downloaded it from a torrent file
[01:42] <fidget> and have it in a folder..
[01:42] <fidget> I can get to the install screen etc ..cd key etc..
[01:42] <fidget> but then it asks for the cd
[01:42] <fidget> how would I mount a folder .. as if it were a cd?
[01:43] <fishie> there might be a daemon tools thing for linux
[01:43] <fidget> ah
[01:43] <sithtoast> hey hey hey
[01:43] <fidget> yo
[01:43] <Ohtsu> hello from mexico
[01:43] <fidget> I guess it would just be easyer to burn the iso to a cd eh?
[01:44] <sithtoast> HI SithToast_
[01:44] <SithToast__> :O
[01:44] <sithtoast> :)
[01:44] <SithToast__> Imposter!
[01:44] <sithtoast> DOOPLISS
[01:44] <fidget> hah
[01:44] <TheRealSithToast> There.
[01:44] <imaek> How do you install fonts using GNOME?
[01:45] <Belial_> hi, i need help setting up Linksys EG1032 NIC (based on the Natsemi 83820 chipset) on hoary, ubuntu sees card but it doesn't appear in Networking preference
[01:46] <ticktoc> i can't find alsaconfig in any 'bin'/'sbin' directory on my system..  anybody know what pkg provides this app?
[01:47] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> man glad I don't run windows that often now
[01:48] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> alot of ppl having trouble with the new vx2 spyware out
[01:48] <hyphenater> imaek, using nautilus, go to "fonts:///". Copy the font to there (assuming ttf format)
[01:48] <ticktoc> issue no 2:  ubuntu did not install my usb printer (hp deskjet 895csi)  all other linux distros haven't had any trouble with it.. :-(
[01:48] <imaek> I've done that, but it doesn't appear.
[01:48] <gh0strida> imaek: how 'bout ~/.fonts
[01:49] <imaek> it appears there gh0strida.
[01:49] <SithToast> Woot.
[01:49] <imaek> Oh
[01:49] <imaek> now it's showing up
[01:50] <rancorus> if I have a DSL connection, how do i make it connect automatically on boot?
[01:51] <caine> anybody here know how to install a webcam on Ubuntu
[01:51] <caine> ????
[01:51] <blaylock> hello all
[01:52] <mark> no... was going to ask the same question !
[01:52] <blaylock> i hate to ask a question about windows, BUT
[01:52] <caine> lol
[01:52] <blaylock> anybody ever have an issue with audio playing back too fast?
[01:52] <mark> yes... almost double speed
[01:52] <blaylock> mark, how did you fix it?
[01:52] <caine> are you using windows media player?
[01:53] <mark> but I am using VMware. so i've not fixed it yet !
[01:53] <blaylock> well i fixed it in media player, but like DVD still plays double
[01:53] <caine> its the same problem
[01:53] <caine> theres a playback option
[01:53] <amonkey> try media player classic, kicks all ass in windows
[01:53] <blaylock> the digital playback right?
[01:53] <caine> slow normal fast
[01:53] <caine> i dont remember what its called
[01:54] <blaylock> media player is fine, its the DVD software that plays back too fast
[01:54] <caine> but its under like tools or somthing
[01:54] <caine> i cant help ya there
[01:54] <amonkey> media player classic does dvds too
[01:54] <blaylock> but there are no options in the software that let me adjust playback
[01:54] <blaylock> hmm
[01:55] <iceman> what is the kubuntu project behind the ubuntu project ...
[01:55] <cubicool> Is there a way in bash, if I have a variable "1000MB", to only operate/retrieve the numeric part? I'm trying ${VAR%[a-zA-Z] }, but it doesn't work...
[01:55] <caine> anybody here know how to install a webcam on Ubuntu'
[01:56] <ante> check ubuntuguide.org =)
[01:56] <amonkey> and cross your fingers that it uses a supported chipset
[01:56] <fr33k> anyone have any luck with the tuxracer install via ubuntuguide
[01:57] <blaylock> yeah supported chipset is really the key
[01:57] <blaylock> did you research the cam before you purchased?
[01:57] <melazyboy> Quick question, I have screwed up permissions recursevly is there any easy way to set them back, a program of sort that knows how to reset base permissions?
[01:59] <schleyfox> where can I download the default kernel .config for warty?
[01:59] <schleyfox> I need to compile my kernel
[01:59] <nate__> melazyboy, sudo chmod ### -R <directory>
[01:59] <schleyfox> but I don't want to change any options
[01:59] <schleyfox> because ndiswrapper is irritating me
[01:59] <melazyboy> I cant run sudo, complains about sguid on sudo
[01:59] <melazyboy> I have a term logged in as root
[01:59] <nate__> what are you using ndiswrapper for?
[02:00] <nate__> melazyboy, then no problem, just take off the sudo
[02:00] <schleyfox> nate_ what do people normally run ndiswrapper for
[02:00] <schleyfox> I need ndiswrapper 1.1
[02:00] <vanberge> howdy... new to ubuntu..  does ubuntu have a default root pw?  i dont recall setting one
[02:00] <amonkey> why don't i see a little penguin when i boot up? i've always wanted a penguin displayed in the corner when i boot
[02:00] <schleyfox> for my wifi card
[02:00] <nate__> schleyfox, for stupid wireless cards
[02:00] <spanglesontoast> called sudo mate
[02:00] <spanglesontoast> vanberge
[02:00] <spanglesontoast> type sudo
[02:00] <schleyfox> nate_ and I have a stupid wireless card
[02:00] <spanglesontoast> then the command
[02:00] <schleyfox> it was a rhetorical device btw
[02:00] <spanglesontoast> you want to do
[02:00] <nate__> wow schleyfox, hoary recognized my centrino with no problems
[02:01] <melazyboy> how do you chown hidden files
[02:01] <vanberge> spanglesontoast, there's no root?
[02:01] <schleyfox> well, nate_ I happent o be running a pentium 2
[02:01] <shiv> how do I change resolution to what I need? where is the xorg file that I can manually edit as root?
[02:01] <melazyboy> when i chowned \.* it climmed all the way through my directories
[02:01] <melazyboy> I need to reset it back or fix it any ideas?
[02:01] <spanglesontoast> doesn't exist
[02:01] <schleyfox> with a brand new netgear wg511 (marvell chipset)
[02:01] <nate__> vanberge, there is a root, just his password isn't set
[02:01] <hyphenater> shiv, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:01] <ben> Just installed bases (server) install on a laptop with faulty on board memory. It crashes randomly and I'd like to use the badmem patch to bypass the faulty memory. In the meantime... i've done apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade and apt-get install mozilla-firefox in the hope that all the required stuff for X and Gnome will have been installed. Does that sound right? and does anyone know anything about using the badmem kernel
[02:02] <schleyfox> I just need the .config that was used to compile the default kernel
[02:02] <nate__> vanberge, your current user can use sudo to do anything root can do, you just need to type in your current user's password when asked
[02:02] <vanberge> nate__,  su - ?
[02:02] <nate__> vanberge, http://www.ubuntu.com/support/documentation/faq/root
[02:02] <vanberge> tx
[02:02] <nate__> vanberge, no, sudo
[02:03] <spanglesontoast> you know sound modules is there a way of being able to switch the primary one?
[02:03] <schleyfox> does anyone know where I can get said config?
[02:03] <vanberge> nate... tx.
[02:03] <spanglesontoast> in a program way
[02:03] <nate__> vanberge, np
[02:03] <vanberge> sudo -u root passwd
[02:03] <bob2> schleyfox: /boot
[02:03] <schleyfox> ok
[02:03] <nate__> vanberge, why even bother setting a pword?
[02:03] <schleyfox> thank you
[02:03] <shiv> the xorg has the right resolution but it does not show up :(
[02:03] <nova> is it possible to get mozilla 1.7.7 through apt get?
[02:03] <vanberge> im a noob to ubuntu, but pretty good with linux.
[02:03] <bob2> schleyfox: but there's really no need to compile a new kernel
[02:04] <bob2> nova: it's never going to be in hoary
[02:04] <vanberge> heard about it alot, wanted to give it a shot
[02:04] <hyphenater> shiv, have you restart x since changing it?
[02:04] <nate__> vanberge, sudo allows you to do anything root can do from your current login
[02:04] <shiv> how do I do that?
[02:04] <nate__> vanberge, without su
[02:04] <hyphenater> shiv, ctrl+alt+backspace
[02:04] <nate__> vanberge, and if you need a terminal as root, you can type in: sudo -s
[02:04] <nate__> vanberge, all using your own password
[02:04] <vanberge> im just trying to update my install
[02:05] <nate__> vanberge, sudo can do that :)
[02:05] <nova> damn
[02:05] <nova> i want adblock for moz but is no add block for 1.7.6
[02:05] <vanberge> wow... much different then what i am used to
[02:06] <shiv> no luck
[02:06] <shiv> :(
[02:06] <nate__> vanberge, what, the fact that it actually works, and not slowly?
[02:06] <shiv> I have a dell 700m
[02:06] <zoddan> what do i type to reconfigure X ?
[02:06] <melazyboy> Ok i have a problem i just ran chown -R ./* ./.* because i wanted all files, and all hidden files to change owners, it borked my system, is there a way to reset the permissions on all files, of a debian based system ?
[02:06] <zoddan> xserver-xfree86 does not work in ubuntu
[02:06] <vanberge> no.... just this sudo think
[02:06] <vanberge> thing*
[02:06] <hyphenater> vanberge, if you *really* want to you can just set a root password and do it the way you're used to
[02:07] <stitch> what type of files are used for installations in linux ubuntu?
[02:07] <vanberge> hyphenater, i already did that
[02:07] <bob2> stitch: you mean .debs?
[02:07] <spanglesontoast> vanberge you hate using sudo so much?
[02:07] <bob2> melazyboy: reinstalling is the only solution
[02:07] <vanberge> lmao... this is literally the first time i have every booted ubuntu
[02:07] <bob2> melazyboy: be more careful in future...
[02:07] <stitch> i downloaded limewire for linux but i don't know how to install it
[02:07] <ShadowRage> say
[02:07] <vanberge> i have never used sudo
[02:07] <nate__> melazyboy, chown -R melazyboy ./*
[02:07] <spanglesontoast> e.g
[02:07] <dbasetrinity> hi everyone i have a question earlier today i installed divx4linux and after words i couldnt find it anywhere and doesnt appear to be installed
[02:07] <spanglesontoast> erm sudo synaptic
[02:07] <ShadowRage> is there any way to do a debootstrap without using the debian mirror?
[02:08] <dbasetrinity> so then i just installed wine same thing
[02:08] <dbasetrinity> what am i doing wrong
[02:08] <spanglesontoast> then type your password in to confirm it to run
[02:08] <ben> how to upgrade from base (server) install to X windows with gnome etc
[02:08] <bob2> dbasetrinity: how are you installing the,?
[02:08] <melazyboy> nate__: your a fucking idiot.
[02:08] <nate__> melazyboy, ummm, what?
[02:08] <bob2> ben: install the ubuntu-desktop package
[02:08] <ben> thnx
[02:08] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> melazyboy, YOU ARE RUDE
[02:09] <ante> Does anyone know why linux sets my router as default DNS server?
[02:09] <nate__> bob2, if he did chown in his home directory, then its easy to reset it to default
[02:09] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> that kind of behaviour is not allowed here
[02:09] <ben> jesus - thats another 1100 mb!!
[02:09] <oDysseas> what do I need to add to /etc/sudoers for my user to be able to use sudo?
[02:09] <dbasetrinity> im did apt-get install divx4linux
[02:09] <bob2> nate__: home dir, yeah
[02:09] <spanglesontoast> does anyone here know any issues with vegastrike menu looking weird
[02:09] <angela> bob2 whats the aptitude install shortcut to install java ...
[02:09] <stitch> how do i install limewire for linux
[02:09] <stitch> i have all the files
[02:09] <bob2> oDysseas: copy the existing line, and change the copy to your username
[02:09] <bob2> stitch: er, run it?
[02:10] <bob2> stitch: it doesn;t have any instructions?
[02:10] <dbasetrinity> and for wine its said to do apt-get update then apt-get install wine
[02:10] <stitch> run what file?>
[02:10] <runedude> stitch: apt-get install limewire?
[02:10] <oDysseas> bob2: there is only one line for root
[02:10] <bob2> angela: wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[02:10] <stitch> ok lemmie try that
[02:10] <bob2> oDysseas: er, how did you manage to get that to happen?
[02:10] <thundrcleeze> can someone here tell me what's on their system -> administration -> networking -> general tab?  What settings it allows you to adjust?
[02:10] <oDysseas> bob2: dont know this is a fresh install
[02:10] <angela> bob2 apatitude install ... cant just fetch it ... dang ...
[02:10] <hyphenater> oDysseas, make sure your user is a member of "admin" group
[02:10] <aroman> is there any way to limit the upload speed of a program?
[02:11] <spanglesontoast> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[02:11] <angela> bob2 i'll let her finish installing kde first
[02:11] <bob2> angela: no, sorry, sun's license on java is pretty silly
[02:11] <bob2> aroman: use the "trickle" program
[02:11] <oDysseas> hyphenater: ok I'll do that but still dont I have to add this user to /etc/sudoers with visudo?
[02:11] <zoddan> how i do reconfigure X ?
[02:11] <oDysseas> zoddan: xorgconfigure
[02:11] <vanberge> ubuntu seems like it is for people new to linux, yes ?
[02:11] <bob2> oDysseas: rob     ALL=(ALL) ALL
[02:11] <zoddan> ok
[02:11] <bob2> oDysseas: add a line like that, but with your username insteaed of rob
[02:11] <bob2> zoddan: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:11] <bob2> vanberge: no
[02:11] <ShadowRage> bob2: how do I use debootstrap under ubuntu?
[02:12] <oDysseas> bob2: but then the user wouldn't need to give a password
[02:12] <spanglesontoast> actually vanberge it's for anyone
[02:12] <ShadowRage> Ilta: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_hoary_Release
[02:12] <ShadowRage> epl: Failed getting release file http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/hoary/Release
[02:12] <bob2> ShadowRage: same as under any other debian-based distribution
[02:12] <spanglesontoast> but works ok with new users
[02:12] <amonkey> i'm trying to bridge a wifi connection with my ethernet connection so that dudes on my wired netork can acceess the wifi internet
[02:12] <vanberge> i see
[02:12] <angela> vanberge ubuntu is about the best for a smoth install, but can be for advanced users ... seems very well built ..
[02:12] <bob2> ShadowRage: er, you'd obviously have to point it at an ubuntu mirror...
[02:12] <amonkey> anyone know where ot start?
[02:12] <bob2> oDysseas: yes, it will ask for a password
[02:12] <ShadowRage> bob2: how do I do this?
[02:12] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> where do i go to change the GDM ?
[02:12] <vanberge> not many apps to choos from for installation
[02:12] <rg58sma> hi
[02:12] <bob2> ShadowRage: "debootstrap --help"
[02:12] <rg58sma> someone to helpme
[02:13] <ben> amonkey - google nat and ip forwarding. it's quite easy
[02:13] <bob2> vanberge: there are over 10 000 packages to choose from in ubuntu
[02:13] <vanberge> just found it
[02:13] <amonkey> ben: that's exactly what i wanted to hear. thankyou
[02:13] <vanberge> synaptic
[02:13] <aroman> bob2, any link to this program?
[02:13] <vanberge> ubuntu used apt eh ?
[02:13] <hyphenater> Pop_pa_FrEaK, system > administration > login screen setup?
[02:13] <oDysseas> bob2: that's how I have it right now and it doesn't ask for a password =/
[02:13] <ben> good luck
[02:13] <vanberge> uses*
[02:13] <bob2> aroman: link? it's in ubuntu/universe.
[02:13] <aroman> ah
[02:13] <bob2> oDysseas: it never asks you at all?
[02:14] <aroman> apt-getting...
[02:14] <oDysseas> bob2: no
[02:14] <rg58sma> with /home??
[02:14] <stitch> from terminal how do i get to root?
[02:14] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> lol just found it but thanx hyphenater
[02:14] <bob2> vanberge: er, of course, like any sane distro...
[02:14] <ben> pm me if you need further help. i did it on fc3 (blag distro) but the conf files will probaly be the same
[02:14] <spanglesontoast> floating around in ecstasy
[02:14] <bob2> stitch: you don't.  run "sudo -s" if you think you need to
[02:14] <vanberge> bob2, i am a longtime user of redhat / fedora...  i've become dependant on rpms
[02:14] <vanberge> :-/
[02:14] <stitch> uggh
[02:14] <stitch> i need to install limewire
[02:14] <bob2> vanberge: prepare to stop screwing around with packages so much
[02:14] <stitch> how do i do this?
[02:14] <_kevin> spanglesontoast are you on esctasy
[02:14] <_kevin> ?
[02:14] <bob2> stitch: it really has NO instructions at all?
[02:14] <bob2> _kevin: please don't start
[02:14] <spanglesontoast> no
[02:14] <stitch> no
[02:15] <_kevin> ok
[02:15] <spanglesontoast> lyrics from a queen song
[02:15] <spanglesontoast> ............
[02:15] <_kevin> oh
[02:15] <oDysseas> bob2: and another thing I can su to root by default, does this have to do with me using  the expert mode installation?
[02:15] <othernoob> would anyone happen to know how to convert 2 avis to a dvd with an option to choose one of the two ?
[02:15] <bob2> oDysseas: I don't know
[02:15] <bob2> oDysseas: why did you pick "expert"?
[02:16] <bob2> it really means what it says
[02:16] <oDysseas> well I didn't have problems with the installation
[02:16] <bob2> yes, but yo udo now
[02:16] <vanberge> lots of python
[02:16] <oDysseas> just that the sudoers file was empty as the /etc/apt/sources.list only had the cd
[02:16] <stitch> should i run "runLime.sh"
[02:17] <bob2> stitch: come on dude
[02:17] <cafuego> Has the breezy X issue been sorted in 6.8.2-21?
[02:17] <stitch> what?
[02:17] <carthik> Hi, I wanted to swap out the two 256 RAM chips in my laptop and replace them with one 512MB chip -- can I just do that, or will that cause my laptop to not work later?
[02:17] <bob2> stitch: googling for "ubuntu limewire" finds about 10 000 pages of help with getting it working on ubuntu
[02:17] <WldRbit> carthik, if you do it right it will work and have the right memory
[02:17] <nickrud> cafuego no, I just tried a fresh breezy install, and .... -13 and -21 is not compatible
[02:17] <cafuego> carthik: You can probably leave one of the 256Mb chips there and get 768Mb all up.
[02:17] <stitch> ok thank you
[02:18] <bpuccio> carthik: it should work fine, I'm assuming you don't have RAM that needs to be isntalle din pairs (RDRAM I believe)
[02:18] <rg58sma> with /home??
[02:18] <cafuego> melazyboy: Cool, I'lls tick with -10 then.
[02:18] <stitch> i love you bob
[02:18] <stitch> lol
[02:18] <carthik> bpuccio, not so :)
[02:18] <cafuego> Eh, nickrud even
[02:18] <nickrud> heh, I needed to catch up with work, this is too time comsuming :)
[02:18] <carthik> WldRbit, cafuego thanks - and yes, I will leave one 256 in :)
[02:18] <dbasetrinity> limewire is in the unofficial ubuntu starter guide
[02:19] <spanglesontoast> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[02:19] <arpad> i've just installed hoary and i'm having trouble getting any picture in X. the monitor is an acer LCD panel with a fixed resolution, which i set during installation, and the graphics card is a nvidia geforce 6600gt
[02:19] <dbasetrinity> i was actually able the install that one easy enough
[02:19] <_kevin> ok i followed the ubuntuguide to installin limewire
[02:19] <_kevin> and it installs it and everything
[02:19] <_kevin> but when i try to run it, it doesn't work
[02:19] <arpad> i got an error saying X server could not be started, and in the detailed output it said it couldn't find any suitable display modes, even though the modes it tries, and those it detects seem to be fine
[02:20] <spanglesontoast> er
[02:20] <spanglesontoast> kevin
[02:20] <_kevin> ye
[02:20] <arpad> any ideas how to go about sorting this?
[02:20] <bob2> _kevin: please stop it
[02:20] <_kevin> please stop what
[02:20] <bob2> _kevin: if you actually want help, ask a useful question, and paste the error to #flood
[02:20] <spanglesontoast> sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[02:21] <shiv> i am not getting the right resolution xorg shows it right though, I have dell 700m laptop
[02:21] <spanglesontoast> limewire is java based
[02:21] <david__> what up
[02:21] <_kevin> ok, here goes.. Limewire doesn't open when i click on the icon, i get nothing, can someone help resolve this probelm?
[02:21] <spanglesontoast> you need java
[02:21] <vanberge> would i have to add/modify repositories in order to be able to get dvd capable programs, cd burning, etc ?
[02:21] <bob2> _kevin: ignore the icon then, and run the program from the terminal
[02:21] <bob2> vanberge: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:22] <bob2> vanberge: encrypted-dvd-playing, yes, cd burning, of course not
[02:22] <shiv> plz help
[02:22] <othernoob> bob2, doesnt he need cdrdao ?
[02:22] <ShadowRage> bob2: how do I specify a mirror
[02:22] <bob2> othernoob: to do what?
[02:22] <_kevin> what do i type to run limewire from terminal?
[02:22] <bob2> ShadowRage: dude, read the help output
[02:22] <ShadowRage> bob2: it doesn't help
[02:22] <othernoob> burn cds ?
[02:23] <bob2> ShadowRage: yes, it does
[02:23] <bob2> ShadowRage: I: usage: [OPTION] ... <suite> <target> [<mirror> [<script>] ] 
[02:23] <bob2> ShadowRage: which part of that is confusing?
[02:23] <ShadowRage> debootstrap --arch i386 ./uwoody http://people.debian.org/~andersee/uwoody/ ./
[02:23] <ShadowRage> /usr/sbin/debootstrap: line 161: cd: http://people.debian.org/~andersee/uwoody: No such file or directory
[02:23] <bob2> ShadowRage: it tells you EXACTLY how to specify th mirror
[02:23] <bob2> ShadowRage: you're not even following the help output
[02:23] <shiv> i am not getting the right resolution xorg shows it right though, I have dell 700m laptop
[02:23] <bob2> ShadowRage: sudo debootstrap hoary ./hoary/ http://192.168.1.101/ubuntu/
[02:25] <lleberg> Now, i installed VLC and some codecs
[02:25] <lleberg> but it still can't play wmvs..
[02:25] <lleberg> how to fix that?
[02:25] <chillywilly> I just bought 2 of these: http://www.penguincomputing.com/products/servers/altus3150.php?cid=1948890&submit_edit=1 <-- anyone see any problems running Ubuntu on on of those? :)
[02:25] <Amaranth> lleberg: Only xine with w32codecs can play them.
[02:25] <chillywilly> s/on/one/
[02:26] <lleberg> Amaranth: and what is xine? :)
[02:26] <Amaranth> lleberg: sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[02:26] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> _kevin, type killall gnome-menu then look under applicatiosn then internet and limewire should be there
[02:26] <Amaranth> then you can just use totem
[02:26] <_kevin> yes i see it
[02:26] <Amaranth> Pop_pa_FrEaK: killall gnome-panel
[02:26] <lleberg> my totem seems kind of.. b0rked ;)
[02:26] <Amaranth> lleberg: Yes, it'll be much better after you install totem-xine.
[02:27] <_kevin> when i click on it, nothing happens, what maybe the problem?
[02:27] <nate__> totem usually does
[02:27] <nate__> Amaranth, amen to that
[02:27] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> whooops you are right Amaranth
[02:27] <lleberg> Amaranth: wounderful, i'll try it
[02:27] <we2by> how do u upgrade firefox to 1.0.4?
[02:27] <nate__> lleberg, xine is pretty good too, its my favorite, actually
[02:27] <aroman> bob2, cool, trickle does the job ;)
[02:27] <aroman> thanks
[02:27] <Amaranth> _kevin: Open a terminal and run type 'limewire' (no quotes). What does it say? Press enter of course.
[02:27] <aroman> later ppl
[02:27] <bob2> we2by: you don't, in general
[02:27] <chillywilly> we2by: you can't
[02:28] <we2by> I can't?
[02:28] <chillywilly> hoary is behind the times ;)
[02:28] <_kevin> bash: limewire: command not found
[02:28] <chillywilly> well there's no package in hoary for 1.0.4
[02:28] <Amaranth> The firefox in hoary has all the security fixes from 1.0.4.
[02:28] <bob2> we2by: you can't, by dow nloading it from www.mozilla.org
[02:28] <we2by> can't I just grap it from firefox website?
[02:28] <bob2> we2by: er, can
[02:28] <chillywilly> and running breezy is a no no
[02:28] <bob2> we2by: but how much do you care?
[02:28] <chillywilly> there's critical security fixes in 1.0.4
[02:28] <Amaranth> _kevin: try 'whereis limewire'
[02:28] <nate__> hoary sticks to whats stable, for the most part, kinda lags a little
[02:28] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> Ubuntu officially only fixes the security holes in the firefox that shipped the day of release. They will soon release an updated Firefox 1.0.2 with the holes fixed, but Firefox 1.0.4 will not be officially released because it might introduce instability that the developers don't want to deal with.
[02:28] <Amaranth> chillywilly: The firefox in hoary has all the security fixes from 1.0.4.
[02:29] <bob2> chillywilly: which are fixed in 1.0.2 in hoary
[02:29] <bob2> chillywilly: everyone wins!
[02:29] <chillywilly> good
[02:29] <ben> LIMEWIRE HOWTO http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[02:29] <ShadowRage> bob2: I cant get any themes in firefox 1.0.2 or any extensions because the website wants me to upgrade to 1.0.4
[02:29] <bob2> awesome
[02:29] <Amaranth> ben: He used that.
[02:29] <cafuego> Amaranth: The bot is controlled via dcc, but apparently there's a bug in 1) the bot and 2) libnet-irc-perl that prevents it from doing dcc :-/
[02:29] <_kevin> ben I tried it
[02:29] <rg58sma> someone to helpme
[02:29] <ben> oh
[02:29] <rg58sma> with /home??
[02:30] <_kevin> ben I even have the icon in my internet section
[02:30] <lleberg> it's a line on about:config that needs changing to gain acces to the mozilla upgrade pages..
[02:30] <chillywilly> just install it from the tar ball then ;)
[02:30] <ben> homeless?
[02:30] <lleberg> but what was it?
[02:30] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ShadowRage, type about:config and change user.agent.vendor to 1.0.4 in firefox
[02:30] <chillywilly>  /usr/local/firefox
[02:30] <chillywilly> :)
[02:30] <Amaranth> cafuego: Ok. Can you set the limit before going to PM higher? Too many things are being PMed instead of going to the channel.
[02:30] <_kevin> limewire:
[02:30] <ShadowRage> Pop_pa_FrEaK: sweet, wonder what would happen if you set it to 5.1.0 or some obscure number
[02:30] <_kevin> it doesn't say where it is
[02:30] <Amaranth> _kevin: Are you sure you installed it?
[02:31] <_kevin> i followed the guide and it downloaded it the zip and thent he other stuff
[02:31] <cafuego> Amaranth: Sure... it's 128 now, shall I double that?
[02:31] <lleberg> Amaranth: uhm, now, when installed the totem-xine
[02:31] <we2by> how do I make the title bar a bit larger?
[02:31] <chillywilly> why wasn't a 1.0.4 package made? couldn't that be considered a security update and not some "new" package that was added to a frozen release?
[02:31] <lleberg> Amaranth: nothing happends when starting totem
[02:31] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> not sure ShadowRage
[02:31] <Amaranth> _kevin: Why do you want limewire anyway? apollon works just as good
[02:31] <Belial_> hi i need help setting up Linksys EG1032 gigabit NIC on hoary ( it uses Natsemi 83820), ubuntu see's card in lspci but it doesn't show up in Networking
[02:31] <Amaranth> lleberg: Nothing?
[02:31] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> _kevin, did you follow the guide to the tee ?
[02:31] <nova> in kubuntu desk top how the hell do i get 12 hour time set up for the clock lol
[02:31] <bob2> chillywilly: because the firefox people can't help themselves
[02:31] <ShadowRage> Amaranth: what's apollon?
[02:31] <bob2> chillywilly: and 1.0.4 is not just forsecurity fixes
[02:32] <Amaranth> ShadowRage: apt-cache show apollon
[02:32] <_kevin> i'm on gnome and the website says limewire
[02:32] <chillywilly> bob2: BAH
[02:32] <ShadowRage> gah
[02:32] <ShadowRage> kde based
[02:32] <lleberg> Amaranth: Solved, some totem-process was running
[02:32] <bob2> chillywilly: ?
[02:32] <Amaranth> ShadowRage: giftoxic is ok too
[02:33] <rg58sma> someone to help to move a /home to another partition???
[02:33] <chillywilly> bob2: what if you pin hoary above breezy and only grab firefox package? :)
[02:33] <ian> hello ppl..
[02:33] <lleberg> uhm, still can't play the wmv:s
[02:33] <Amaranth> chillywilly: We no longer help you with anything.
[02:33] <lleberg> how to install the codec needed?
[02:33] <bob2> chillywilly: it'll probably pull in a new libc
[02:33] <ian> how to know if a program is running linx astsd or esd?
[02:33] <chillywilly> who says I need your help anyway?
[02:33] <bob2> chillywilly: depends if you think you can look after yourself from then on or not
[02:33] <Amaranth> lleberg: You got w32codecs?
[02:34] <spanglesontoast> what's libc6.2-2.so.3 ??????
[02:34] <lleberg> Amaranth: it says w32codecs isn't availible
[02:34] <ian> how to know if a program is running linux like astsd or esd?
[02:34] <Belial_> PLEASE HELP: Linksys EG1032 v3 gigabit NIC on hoary, see's it as device but doesn't show up in Networking panel (no connection)
[02:35] <cafuego> ian: ps auxw | grep <program>
[02:35] <ben> what you need gigabit for?
[02:35] <Amaranth> lleberg: *shrug* No idea.
[02:35] <cafuego> Belial_: Find the required modiule (google) and load it.
[02:35] <Amaranth> lleberg: I only know of one or two places to get it and you don't want to use them.
[02:35] <oris_wolfbane> hey guys, i have bunch of svg's and i need em changes into gif's does anyone know a good program/way of doing this
[02:35] <Belial_> cafuego: did, still nothing
[02:35] <rg58sma> someone to help to move a /home to another partition???
[02:36] <bob2> spanglesontoast: your C library
[02:36] <cafuego> ben: Coz moving DVD ISOs via 100Mbut takes _for_ _ever_
[02:36] <bob2> spanglesontoast: do not mess with it
[02:36] <bob2> rg58sma: just copy the files with -a
[02:36] <lleberg> Amaranth: Like "E: the package w32codecs doesn't have any installation-kandidate"
[02:36] <cafuego> Belial_: Then it might simply not be supported
[02:36] <ben> oris_wolfbane - google it
[02:36] <lleberg> Amaranth: in a strange translation from swedish :P
[02:36] <spanglesontoast> well vegastrike is moaning about it
[02:37] <Belial_> cafuego: it's based on the natsemi 83820 chipset, which means that it needs ns83820, i modprobed it, lsmoded to make sure it loaded, and nothing
[02:37] <bob2> spanglesontoast: vegastrike is in ubuntu...
[02:37] <spanglesontoast> where?
[02:37] <cafuego> Belial_: it loaded OK? Did it show up in 'dmesg' ?
[02:37] <spanglesontoast> oh
[02:37] <spanglesontoast> ........................
[02:37] <eleusis> howdy
[02:37] <Belial_> cafuego: it shows up in lsmod
[02:38] <cafuego> Belial_: That wasn't my question.
[02:38] <_kevin> So no on here knows why my lime wire software is not working
[02:38] <Belial_> cafuego: i don't know if it shows up in dmesg
[02:38] <Amaranth> _kevin: Nope, but you should use giftoxic instead.
[02:38] <cafuego> Belial_: Could you check?
[02:39] <_kevin> Amaranth how do i acquire this software
[02:39] <Amaranth> _kevin: sudo apt-get install giftoxic
[02:39] <Belial_> cafuego: lets asume that it loads with no problem, i'm dual booting win/linux and i have to be in windows for NIC to work (now) and to check a single thing would require two reboots
[02:39] <cafuego> Belial_: Could you check?
[02:40] <Belial_> cafuego: ok
[02:40] <odie5533> Is there a good C++ IDE for Linux?
[02:40] <_kevin> giftoxic is same type of thing as limewire, giving me access to the same servers?
[02:40] <odie5533> Maybe DEV-CPP like?
[02:40] <cafuego> Belial_: if it loads OK, there will be an 'ethX: natsemi ... ' log message in dmesg.
[02:40] <oris_wolfbane> ben: have done, nothing jumps out at me with "batch image converter linux"
[02:40] <bob2> odie5533: msot serious unix/linux programmers I've met use emacs or vim
[02:40] <^thehatsrule^> odie5533, kdevelop? bluefish? vim? lots...
[02:40] <bob2> odie5533: but kdevelop or ajunta might be more to your tastes
[02:41] <Belial_> cafuego: just "dmesg" in commandline/
[02:41] <Amaranth> _kevin: as far as i know
[02:41] <chillywilly> emacs!
[02:41] <odie5533> serious coders use emacs... it seems so basic when I tried it
[02:41] <cafuego> Belial_: yep
[02:41] <_kevin> As soon as i run giftoxic i get an Error saying "You need to specify a host and port to connect to!" how do i fix this
[02:41] <Belial_> cafuego: ok i'll be back after i check
[02:41] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> will ubuntu every drop mp3 support ?
[02:41] <chillywilly> real programmers alos write in lisp
[02:41] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ever*
[02:41] <jobezone> _kevin, you can learn about giftoxic before installing it by doing "apt-cache show giftoxic"
[02:41] <Amaranth> bob2: I use gedit and gnome-terminal. I only use vim for quick things. :)
[02:41] <odie5533> Looking at the MS side (I know the word is a curse here) they have everything integrated... emacs does none of it
[02:41] <bob2> odie5533: basic?
[02:41] <bob2> odie5533: haha
[02:41] <_kevin> I installed it already
[02:42] <bob2> odie5533: emacs does more than you can imagine
[02:42] <odie5533> oh?
[02:42] <cafuego> odie5533: Then you're using the wrong tool eh.
[02:42] <odie5533> I saw a console window in emacs, and nothing in it
[02:42] <odie5533> it felt like old DOS days
[02:42] <chillywilly> emacs is a programmable editor...it can do whatever you want it to do :)
[02:42] <Amaranth> emacs - a great OS in need of a good editor
[02:42] <bob2> odie5533: yes, of course, you didn't enable anything
[02:42] <cafuego> On linux you can comple and edito code *simultaneously*
[02:42] <odie5533> o
[02:42] <Amaranth> although it has vi-mode now so it even has a good editor
[02:42] <jobezone> _kevin, the command still gives you a description, though
[02:42] <odie5533> so sudo apt-get install emacs to begin with?
[02:43] <bob2> odie5533: it integrates with make, gcc output, debuggers, etc
[02:43] <bob2> odie5533: emacs21
[02:43] <chillywilly> emacs21
[02:43] <eleusis> anyone here use a usb flash digital audio player with linux? :)
[02:43] <spanglesontoast> is vegastrike custom designed for ubuntu?
[02:43] <odie5533> I dled gcc
[02:43] <odie5533> er apt-got it
[02:43] <_kevin> Yes i read it, but it doesn't explain why I'm getting an Eroor
[02:43] <odie5533> I'm in emacs, any tips for a new C++ programmer to emacs?
[02:44] <cafuego> odie5533: You need to explicitly enable all that stuff in emacs. it won't just automagically guess what you want (unless to load ESP.el)
[02:44] <chillywilly> RTFM? :)
[02:44] <cafuego> odie5533: Switch to C? ;-)
[02:44] <chillywilly> Python!
[02:44] <Amaranth> Switch to Python!
[02:44] <odie5533> I program C without looking
[02:44] <Amaranth> :D
[02:44] <odie5533> so I suppose its both
[02:44] <othernoob> ruby!
[02:44] <bob2> spanglesontoast: no
[02:44] <Amaranth> fsck ruby!
[02:44] <odie5533> isn't python a highly limited language?
[02:44] <chillywilly> ruby this!
[02:44] <bob2> odie5533: no way
[02:45] <Amaranth> odie5533: Not at all.
[02:45] <chillywilly> um, hell no
[02:45] <chillywilly> :)
[02:45] <bob2> odie5533: add this to ~/.emacs: (global-font-lock-mode t)
[02:45] <Amaranth> odie5533: Have you heard of smeg, the menu editor?
[02:45] <odie5533> wow.... I always thought it was for quick scripts
[02:45] <spanglesontoast> so I may just get the same errors as of the one from their site?
[02:45] <othernoob> odie5533, learn haskell ;)
[02:45] <bob2> odie5533: launchpad is written in python
[02:45] <chillywilly> God wrote is lisp code
[02:45] <Amaranth> chillywilly: $DEITY
[02:45] <chillywilly> no, God
[02:45] <chillywilly> ;P
[02:46] <Amaranth> chillywilly: $DEITY
[02:46] <cafuego> python isn't limited, but if you need to add comments via """ it *is* severely shit.
[02:46] <bob2> cafuego: # foo
[02:46] <cafuego> chillywilly: Actually, I didn't use lisp.
[02:46] <spanglesontoast> is there any plugins for xmms that allow it to play real media stuff?
[02:46] <Amaranth> cafuego++
[02:46] <odie5533> the emacs manual is a bit short... and i didnt see anything about C++ =/
[02:47] <Amaranth> spanglesontoast: You could just use Real Player. It's pretty nice.
[02:47] <bob2> odie5533: the emacs manual is a book
[02:47] <bob2> odie5533: and not a short one
[02:47] <odie5533> betcha it isnt man emacs then
[02:47] <bob2> odie5533: gnu doesn't believe in man pages
[02:47] <bob2> odie5533: hit C-h t in emacs
[02:47] <dooglus> the GNU project uses 'texinfo' for its documentation
[02:47] <chillywilly> http://www.paulgraham.com/lisp.html
[02:47] <bob2> odie5533: bear in mind emacs predates linux by 15 years
[02:48] <lleberg> WHen trying to install the w32codecs, it says it's not availible
[02:48] <jobezone> spanglesontoast: the package w32codecs has codec for realaudio, realvideo8 and 9
[02:48] <odie5533> whys it still in use then?
[02:48] <lleberg> it should be?
[02:48] <bob2> so it does things differently to how many other things work
[02:48] <eleusis> hellooo
[02:48] <spanglesontoast> ah ok
[02:48] <bob2> odie5533: no offence, but windows programmers have weird attitudes ;)
[02:48] <chillywilly> lisp is the second oldest language and yet every other high level language is just trying to be lisp again...we're going in circles ;)
[02:48] <bob2> odie5533: it's in use after 25 years because it is still the most customisable editor in the universe
[02:48] <ian> my mic does not work..
[02:49] <jobezone> lleberg, it's only available in the backports repository. http://www.ubuntuguide.org explains how to set up this repository
[02:49] <bob2> odie5533: and because it's so powerful and has had so many modules written for it
[02:49] <ian> my mic does not work..the last time i check it works..
[02:49] <odie5533> bob2: sorry, I was using MSVS 2005 Team Suite before I went to linux
[02:49] <cafuego> odie5533: You suggest we throw it out in favour of something that hasn't withstood the test of time?
[02:49] <ian> now its now..
[02:49] <ian> now its not
[02:49] <bob2> odie5533: gnus is a rather sophisticated email client written in emacs
[02:49] <othernoob> would anyone happen to know how to convert 2 avis to a dvd with an option to choose one of the two ?
[02:49] <lleberg> jobezone: seems like i have changed that file a million times by now :P
[02:50] <ian> my mic does not work..the last time i check it works..can somebody help me..
[02:50] <gentoon> no use in repeating yourself
[02:50] <lleberg> jobezone: but i might as well try it one more time ;)
[02:50] <Amaranth> bob2: I know a guy that runs dual monitors with two emacs sessions (one split) on each on ratpoison with IRC, mail, etc all in it.
[02:50] <bob2> hah, yeah
[02:50] <odie5533> bob2: how do I customize it for C++ or is there a way you can point me in the general direction thereof?
[02:50] <dooglus> bob2: is there a list of the patches that are available for the core ubuntu/main applications anywhere?
[02:51] <jobezone> lleberg, :) you could allways use Synaptic to add/remove repositories. But you shouldn't have to mess with it that much. Once to enable universe and multiverse, another to add backports (?)
[02:51] <__Simon> can someone help me with sshd? I'm so used to fedora/redhat, trynig to learn a new linux distro for once after so many years :) having difficulty gettnig XDMCP and SSHD working
[02:51] <Belial_> cafuego: back
[02:51] <bob2> dooglus: available?  there's http://no-name-yet.com/patches/, but I dunno if it's up to date.
[02:51] <__Simon> I did an apt-get install ssh, so tis runnnig well
[02:51] <__Simon> but its not accepting any passwords when I do a ssh localhost
[02:51] <bob2> odie5533: the line I gave you is a start; it enables syntax hilighting for all languages by default
[02:51] <odie5533> where do I add it?
[02:52] <lleberg> jobezone: i changed a fair bit of it from a tip in the amd64users forum
[02:52] <__Simon> can someone help me out please?
[02:52] <dooglus> bob2: I was reading today that stuff in the 'main' area is patched up to date with bug fixes and security fixes.  where can I get the patches?
[02:52] <bob2> odie5533: as I said, in ~/.emacs
[02:52] <jobezone> lleberg, ahh...
[02:52] <odie5533> ah the directory
[02:52] <gentoon> someone wanna help me with my sound?
[02:52] <Amaranth> dooglus: You get them automatically.
[02:52] <bob2> dooglus: from the source packages on http://security.debian.org/
[02:52] <dooglus> odie5533: type M-x customize RET
[02:52] <lleberg> jobezone: is it the marillat url that is to be changed?
[02:52] <Belial_> cafuego: dmesg does not return eth0 etc etc, it returns ns83820.c: NatSemi 10/100/1000 DP83820 etc
[02:52] <bob2> __Simon: ssh username@locahost
[02:52] <dooglus> bob2: thanks.
[02:53] <gentoon> I have to manually start ESD to get sound??
[02:53] <jobezone> lleberg, well, if you are using the marillat url, then it should contain w32codecs. But now that you've said you have an AMD64, I'm not sure if these codecs package exists in a  AMD64 version :(
[02:53] <__Simon> ok thanks :) I'm runnnig kubuntu, but nobody is answering in the channel so I was hoping you guys could help me out, in kdm.conf I set XDMCP to true
[02:53] <dooglus> odie5533: it's best to at least skim the tutorial first though
[02:53] <odie5533> bob2: ~/.emacs doesnt exist =/
[02:53] <bob2> gentoon: no, gnome starts it
[02:53] <__Simon> but I still can't connect, on fedora it was that simple, set it, done
[02:53] <lleberg> jobezone: oh :(
[02:53] <odie5533> im reading the tut as I type
[02:53] <bob2> odie5533: yes, I know, create it
[02:54] <dooglus> odie5533: you don't need to edit ~/.emacs, M-x customize RET will edit it for you
[02:54] <gentoon> bob2, Yea thats usuall the case, but now i have to start it
[02:54] <__Simon> anyone have any ideas on XDMCP? in fedora I had to set it in xdm.conf not kdm or gdm.conf though
[02:54] <gentoon> bob2, or else i have no sound
[02:54] <lleberg> jobezone: changing to 32bit feels a bit awkward
[02:54] <jobezone> lleberg, but like I said, I don't know, but if you can't find it, then it maybe because it doesn't exist for your platform.
[02:54] <odie5533> dooglus: customize RET didnt work, match not found
[02:55] <dooglus> customize is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `cus-edit'.
[02:55] <lleberg> jobezone: i'll just take a look in the amd64-forum again :P
[02:55] <Belial_> someone please help: linksys eg1032 gigabit nic (natsemi 83820 chipset) fails to work on hoary, pci is seen but does not show up in Networking
[02:55] <gentoon> Whats a good app for configuring my sound?
[02:55] <dooglus> odie5533: you hit M-x (that means escape X, or alt-X) first?
[02:55] <gentoon> cause its all messed up
[02:56] <dooglus> RET means hit return, too, in case you typed r e t
[02:56] <jobezone> lleberg: yeah. just figured this out, the 32 in w32codecs must mean something :/
[02:56] <odie5533> dooglus: yes, but I added the line to .emacs already
[02:56] <lleberg> jobezone: i thought that to ;)
[02:56] <Belial_> PLEASE HELP: linksys eg1032 gigabit nic (natsemi 83820 chipset) fails to work on hoary, pci is seen but does not show up in Networking
[02:56] <Amaranth> jobezone: x32 only
[02:56] <Amaranth> err
[02:56] <Amaranth> x86
[02:57] <lleberg> isn't it aavailible for 64bit?
[02:57] <dooglus> Amaranth: re. getting patches automatically, I'm still hunting for the fix to the 'grep' bug.
[02:58] <dooglus> Amaranth: it's fixed in Mandriva and Fedora at least.  I'm not sure about Debian
[02:58] <Amaranth> dooglus: the 10000 test ran in 0.3 on a gentoo system
[02:58] <gentoon> So anyone up to helping me wout my my sound prob?
[02:58] <odie5533> oooh syntax highlighting now i'm getting somewhere =P
[02:59] <benplaut> eek! a mouse!
[02:59] <dooglus> Amaranth: it's a known bug, with a fix.  It's just that ubuntu doesn't seem to have it yet.  Redhat fixed it over a year ago: http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2004-083.html
[02:59] <ben> where?
[02:59] <benplaut> oh, wait... XFCE :P
[02:59] <odie5533> dooglus: can I compile with GCC in emacs? if so, how?
[02:59] <raDeon> shut the frong door
[02:59] <dooglus> odie5533: M-x compile
[03:00] <_Simon_> ops sorry about that
[03:00] <odie5533> can I run?
[03:00] <_Simon_> has anyone done XDMCP before?
[03:00] <dooglus> odie5533: you can bind any of these M-x commands to any key you like of course.  I have compile bound to a function key
[03:00] <odie5533> ah
[03:00] <odie5533> hmm emacs sounds more useful now
[03:00] <dooglus> odie5533: you would usually run "make" from emacs, and have make run gcc and whatever else is needed.  then emacs will parse the results
[03:01] <odie5533> gcc isnt compiling it correctly
[03:02] <ian> how do i change my audio default sound card..i have 2 sound card installed in my box..?
[03:02] <jp__> cornholio ola soy el pincheira
[03:02] <jp__> :)
[03:02] <odie5533> dooglus: cannot exec cc1plus
[03:02] <odie5533> error in install
[03:02] <ajchavez> alquien me podria decir cual es el comando para cargar un modelo de una placa de red
[03:02] <raDeon> shut up
[03:02] <raDeon> ajchavez, #ubuntu-es
[03:02] <raDeon> go there now you moron
[03:02] <ajchavez> sip
[03:03] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> how do you change the gnome splash ?
[03:03] <ajchavez> hay uno moprobe
[03:03] <ajchavez> pero hay otro?
[03:03] <ajchavez> q no recuerdo
[03:03] <ian> hello ppl....how do i change my audio default sound card..i have 2 sound card installed in my box..?
[03:03] <crimson-> can the enviorment Xfce run appz like firefox, irc chat, gaim, etc.,?
[03:04] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> yes
[03:04] <crimson-> do you know of a good help site about Xfce?
[03:04] <odie5533> shit... i just removed everything that used gcc....
[03:04] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> for installing "
[03:04] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ?
[03:04] <crimson-> im looking at it for my crummy laptop, i hear it's good on low end machines
[03:04] <crimson-> yes..
[03:05] <crimson-> do  the apps come standard?
[03:05] <dooglus> odie5533: does gcc work outside of Emacs?
[03:05] <Funzo> can anybody reccomend a good wireless card that ubuntu supports out of the box?
[03:05] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> sudo apt-get install xfce4
[03:05] <Funzo> a usb one
[03:05] <odie5533> uh
[03:05] <crimson-> Linksys
[03:05] <odie5533> im gonna have to reinstall ubuntu
[03:05] <Funzo> which model crimson?
[03:05] <odie5533> lesson learned : dont remove everything called gcc...
[03:05] <odie5533> bbabl
[03:05] <ian> i think..i need to go back..to windows..:( im not succefully in linux.. my printer, my cd writer, my sound cards... :(
[03:06] <spanglesontoast> is there a way of switching sound modules aliases of a click of a button?
[03:06] <ian> does not configure properly..anyway, thanks to all of you guys..! :)
[03:06] <crimson-> pop; that get me going?
[03:06] <crimson-> will that get me going
[03:06] <ian> back to windows..again..:(
[03:06] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ian, if you go back to windows then you worry more bout hackers,virii and lovely spyware
[03:06] <spanglesontoast> you flee then ian
[03:06] <spanglesontoast> spyware yum yum
[03:06] <crimson-> yeah, i'm new too ian
[03:07] <spanglesontoast> guzzle my machine :D
[03:07] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ian, try not to give up so easily
[03:07] <crimson-> but screw windows
[03:07] <crimson-> everyone is nicer in linux
[03:07] <crimson-> and i havent had a crash in 2 mnths
[03:07] <ian> pop_pa: i think ill deal with it(spyware)...than.. not using my printer/sound card and cdwriter.. :(
[03:07] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> specially since that new vx2 spyware is out and lots of ppl are having trouble taking out of their windows system
[03:08] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> what kind of printer ?
[03:08] <spanglesontoast> anyone from the uk?
[03:08] <IIIEars> windows is the best OS for gaming - trouble comes when you connect it to the Internet.
[03:08] <gentoon> anyone using breezy?
[03:08] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> only good thing Gates made was the xbox
[03:09] <crimson-> Couldn't find package xfce4....thats what i get when i run the command
[03:09] <ben> did he make that?
[03:09] <gentoon> no
[03:09] <IIIEars> the Xbox is cool.
[03:09] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> crimson-, did you enable the repositories ?
[03:09] <spanglesontoast> his dev team
[03:09] <spanglesontoast> did
[03:09] <gentoon> Bill Gates hasnt coded since he made the bootloader for dos
[03:09] <crimson-> no
[03:09] <ben> i hate games
[03:09] <_Simon_> anyone here know XDMCP?
[03:09] <spanglesontoast> he pays for them to do it
[03:09] <ian> pop_pa: canon laser shot lbp 1120.. i have tried..everything and everybody was supportive..in the furum..but canon was not supportive at all..:(
[03:09] <sproingie> bill gates and paul allen wrote applebasic
[03:09] <ben> If you had 60 billion - would you work for a living?
[03:09] <we2by> on Ubuntu, when using firefox , mozdev.com can not recognize what version I am using
[03:10] <we2by> this is a bug
[03:10] <gentoon> I think ill upgrade to breezy
[03:10] <sproingie> i dont think bill ever touched DOS
[03:10] <IIIEars> "" - most games can be played just fine on Ubuntu linux thank you :)
[03:10] <crimson-> how do i enable repositories?
[03:10] <ante> IIIEars have u tried any good games? such as?
[03:10] <gentoon> IIIEars, yea with Cedega, which isnt free
[03:10] <spanglesontoast> hey vega works
[03:10] <spanglesontoast> :D
[03:11] <dooglus> Pop_pa_FrEaK: I never heard of vx2 spyware before.  Found an interesting page about what it does and how to remove it: http://forums.spywareinfo.com/lofiversion/index.php/t40685.html
[03:11] <gentoon> vega?
[03:11] <gentoon> whats vega?
[03:11] <spanglesontoast> vegastrike
[03:11] <IIIEars> FPS Unreal, Quake, etc.
[03:11] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ian, try here http://software.canon-europe.com/Printers/Laser_Beam_Printers/LaserShot_LBP1120524.asp
[03:11] <onekill> crimson check the synaptic
[03:11] <onekill> it has an option to add them
[03:11] <ante> IIIEars ..but.. fps cant be good
[03:11] <IIIEars> Doom 3 is ported to linux also.
[03:11] <ben> gentoon - read the topic
[03:11] <spanglesontoast> cedega cvs is free
[03:11] <crimson-> onekill: how do i get there?
[03:11] <digby> crimson - open synaptic and click settings and then repositories
[03:11] <gentoon> I know the topic
[03:12] <onekill> what is a good PDF reader
[03:12] <gentoon> what about it?
[03:12] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> dooglus, there are several variants of vx2 and the new one has even adaware and spybot baffled
[03:12] <dockane> onekill, xpdf works fine for me
[03:12] <onekill> crimson:gnome desktop?
[03:12] <crimson-> yes,
[03:12] <ante> IIIEars ..I've read that u can only get around 50fps in linux
[03:12] <crimson-> currently
[03:12] <[BBF] PUNK> adobe reader :)
[03:12] <onekill> can you mark and copy text with it
[03:12] <benplaut> onekill: acrobat reader is good... Kpdf if you use kubuntu, xpdf is fast, but feature deprived
[03:12] <IIIEars> Honestly it's better - I can only guess OpenGL is faster when there aren't extra apps running. AV, Adaware, Registry mon.
[03:12] <dooglus> Pop_pa_FrEaK: the removal instructions include powering off the machine while windows is still running, to prevent the malware from renaming itself during shutdown...  :)
[03:12] <ian> yes i have tried that...but no luck..bye to all.. thanks for the support...back to windows.. maybe ill try linux...1 year later again.. :(
[03:12] <ablyss> well KDE has got a little boring.. time to switch back to Xfce for little bit
[03:13] <ben> gentoon - i just notice it says in big big letters DONT USE BREEZY
[03:13] <onekill> crimson:system/admin/synaptic
[03:13] <gentoon> Yes thats for the timid
[03:13] <ante> ablyss gnome!
[03:13] <benplaut> gentoon: ditto what ben said
[03:13] <atomsk> does anyone know how i can find which package provides a specific file (from a package not installed)
[03:13] <crimson-> thx
[03:13] <ben> ian - wots up?
[03:13] <gentoon> #ubuntu-dev
[03:13] <gentoon> oops
[03:13] <spanglesontoast> w32codecs where are they?
[03:13] <onekill> so xpdf will not allow me to mark text?
[03:14] <spanglesontoast> xpdf is a reader
[03:14] <spanglesontoast> not a writer
[03:14] <IIIEars> still cedega is pretty good at the rest. - admittedly it can test your patience to set everything up. - no one click install like windows.
[03:14] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> no when it says Don't Use Breezy it means that it is still in testing mode and not for a desktop use
[03:14] <sproingie> breezy might work if you're on regular ubuntu.  if you're on kubuntu, breezy is mighty borked
[03:14] <benplaut> atomsk: synaptic search has an option to search by "packages provided"... the drop down menu in the search box
[03:14] <digby> I think w32codecs are in the debian-marillat repisatory
[03:14] <onekill> so the writer will allow me to copy text?
[03:14] <spanglesontoast> I still have problems with cedega
[03:14] <spanglesontoast> depends if it's copy protected
[03:14] <gentoon> Pop_pa_FrEaK, lmao, i was using hoary when it was this young
[03:14] <onekill> if so what is a good pdf writer
[03:14] <dooglus> is it safe to install debian packages on a ubuntu system?
[03:15] <_Simon_> can someone help me with XDMCP?  I enabled it in kdm.conf and set the chooser on Xaccess, but still not getting anything
[03:15] <benplaut> onekill: just go with the good ol' reliable Acrobat Reader... closed source, but a great program
[03:15] <gentoon> Just because software isnt stable doesnt mean that ya can't use
[03:15] <onekill> ok ty
[03:15] <spanglesontoast> I don't have a clue
[03:15] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[03:15] <spanglesontoast> ah
[03:15] <ben> crimson - icewm is REALLY lighwieght and pretty nice looking too
[03:15] <sproingie> dooglus: you don't want to install debian packages unless you're damn sure you know what you're doing
[03:15] <spanglesontoast> I couldn't find it in synaptic
[03:15] <sproingie> dooglus: if nothing depends on them, you're probably safe
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> doesn't exist
[03:16] <axident> Any idea how I can get my sound working in Ubuntu?
[03:16] <IIIEars> Breezy? - Why? Hoary works fine what features do you need that breezy has?
[03:16] <dbasetrinity> does anyone know why on my system monitor that it would sometimes say there is two users on
[03:16] <gentoon> I would use icewm, but what about the system menu?
[03:16] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> did you add the repos in to your source.list ?
[03:16] <dbasetrinity> because im like the only user lol
[03:16] <digby> spangles - you have to add the debian-marillat repisatory.  w32codecs isn't in the hoary repos
[03:16] <crimson-> i dont see any options that lets me enable repositories
[03:17] <dockane> i am totally new to the topic of backups and streamer.... i've got an adaptec 2940 U2W here. a friend of mine told me that he still has got a hp/sony dds3 streamer ? whould this be a reliable backup solution for a small home network ?
[03:17] <gentoon> you need to do it with synaptic ort edit your sources file
[03:17] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> spangles go here http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[03:17] <crimson-> where at in synaptic'
[03:17] <gentoon> whats the devel chan?
[03:17] <IIIEars> spangles Media Codecs http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:17] <IIIEars>              ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/
[03:17] <IIIEars>          deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main <<- remove them after getting codecs they conflict with Hoary.
[03:17] <crimson-> i am there
[03:17] <dooglus> sproingie: I'm looking for a working version of 'grep'.  the ubuntu one is quite broken for large files.
[03:17] <gentoon> read it
[03:18] <sproingie> dooglus: files over 2G, i take it?
[03:18] <gentoon> grep works fine for me, i use it on my 5+ GB source
[03:18] <dooglus> sproingie: I imagine that 'grep' is quite central to the system - it might even explain why some people complain of their system running slowly - grep is a big CPU hog in hoary
[03:18] <benplaut> gentoon: #ubuntu-dev
[03:18] <dooglus> sproingie: no, files of 10k or so is enough
[03:18] <sproingie> dooglus: you have something broken locally.  it ain't ubuntu
[03:19] <dooglus> gentoon: it only happens if you have a UTF locale
[03:19] <gentoon> not for me
[03:19] <gentoon> Its your local setup
[03:19] <crimson-> how do i enable repositories in synaptic
[03:19] <axident> how can I get my soundcard to work?  The device manager of gnome has seen my soundcard but I am unable to get any sound out from my card... tells me that I don't have one set up... what do I have to do to get Ubuntu to setup my soundcard?  What command or program do I run... I know with my slackware box I run alsaconf and it usually detects it.. but when I run alsaconf on Ubuntu I get command not found... any ideas?
[03:19] <sproingie> and yes grep can hog a lot of cpu.  that means it's coded well enough to run the regex engine fast enough to peg the cpu instead of page thrash
[03:19] <gentoon> crimson-, he gave you the link read it
[03:19] <sproingie> regexes can be computationally expensive things
[03:20] <benplaut> axident: what kind of card is it?
[03:20] <crimson-> could you please post it again?
[03:20] <gentoon> use grep2
[03:20] <axident> benplaut, it's an onboard card...
[03:20] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> under settings in synaptic and repositories
[03:20] <gentoon> I really would apreciate some help with my sound if anyone is willing
[03:20] <IIIEars> Repositories http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:20] <dooglus> sproingie: how long does this take to run?     time yes | head -10000 | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 grep . > /dev/null
[03:21] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[03:21] <sproingie> dooglus: instant.  like i said, you have something broken locally
[03:21] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> gentoon what kind of card ?
[03:21] <benplaut> axident: i can't help you, but people here like info before they answer ;)         (i'm also a newbie)
[03:21] <dooglus> sproingie: it's a bug in the algorithm for UTF characters.  it's O(N^2), where N is the size of the file you're grepping
[03:21] <IIIEars> !ubotu Adding extra repositories
[03:21] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, IIIEars
[03:21] <axident> benplaut, ok but the thing is that Ubuntu's dev manager knows what my card is... but I can't get anysound...
[03:22] <gentoon> Pop_pa_FrEaK, AC97 aonboard crap, it has been working fine, untill lately now i will have to start ESD manually, or it just breaks all together
[03:22] <IIIEars> !ubotu: Add Repositories is "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto"
[03:22] <ubotu> IIIEars: I think you lost me on that one
[03:22] <sproingie> dooglus: damn, so it is.  redhat has no such problem, i do massive unicode greps all the live long day at work
[03:22] <Traveler1> Does somebody knows where can I find some kind of documentation about multiseat package?
[03:22] <dooglus> sproingie: I know, RedHat patched it in March 2004
[03:23] <spanglesontoast> what program does w32codecs affect?
[03:23] <onekill> crimson did you get it yet
[03:23] <dooglus> I'm wondering when ubuntu will fix it
[03:23] <geordi> in the how-to to get php4 and mysql working together the package "php4-mysql" is referenced, but when I apt-get it I get an error saying it doesn't exist, how can I get this package?
[03:23] <sproingie> dooglus: when will *debian* fix it i guess is the question
[03:23] <gentoon> dooglus, like we told you its not ubuntu, its your local config
[03:23] <dooglus> sproingie: it you think that's slow, try adding an extra zero...  it won't multiply the time by 10, it will make you system crawl for a long time.
[03:23] <IIIEars> !ubotu:Add Repositories IS "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto"
[03:23] <ubotu> IIIEars: I think you lost me on that one
[03:23] <dooglus> gentoon: try to keep up :)
[03:24] <gentoon> you keep up
[03:24] <gentoon> lol
[03:24] <runedude> breezy works fine for me ;-)
[03:24] <gentoon> theres nothing wrong with grep
[03:24] <iratsu> how do i produce accented letters in X with an US english keyboard?
[03:24] <dooglus> gentoon: did you try it?
[03:24] <gentoon> yea
[03:24] <gentoon> like i said
[03:24] <dooglus> in hoary?
[03:24] <gentoon> I use grep everyday lol
[03:24] <gentoon> ya
[03:24] <onekill> crimson:did you figure it out yet?
[03:24] <sproingie> gentoon: he just illustrated a problem with it, and i just verified it
[03:24] <dooglus> on a big file?  with '.' in the pattern?
[03:24] <runedude> root@mercury:/home/jeremy # ps aux | grep sshd
[03:24] <runedude> root     22259  0.0  1.6   3484  1548 ?        Ss   15:54   0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd
[03:24] <gentoon> Im gunna upgrade to breezy
[03:24] <runedude> works!
[03:24] <runedude> lol
[03:24] <runedude> gentoon: cool
[03:24] <spanglesontoast> why doesn't ubuntu support my k6 processor
[03:25] <runedude> I dont find any issues with a breezy update
[03:25] <IIIEars> !ubotu:AddRepositories IS "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto"
[03:25] <spanglesontoast> and say that there are missing files on the dvd
[03:25] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay
[03:25] <spanglesontoast> when I managed to install with the same disc fine
[03:25] <onekill> did you figure it out
[03:25] <spanglesontoast> on this machine
[03:25] <sproingie> dooglus: have you filed a bug?  sometimes even old bugs never get filed, everyone assumes someone else filed it
[03:25] <stitch> what is the extension .sh used for?
[03:25] <dooglus> sproingie: the bug has been known for years, really.
[03:25] <diego> stitch: shell scripts
[03:25] <stitch> ok thank you
[03:25] <gentoon> sproingie, you didnt verify anything, you guys both have your syntax screwed up for that big of a grep
[03:25] <dooglus> here's the redhat advisory about it: http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2004-083.html
[03:26] <sproingie> dooglus: yeah but if there's no bug, someone will keep forgetting it over and over
[03:26] <sproingie> gentoon: it's not screwed up, and it runs *instantly* on redhat
[03:26] <dooglus> sproingie: here's the savannah report: http://savannah.gnu.org/patch/?func=detailitem&item_id=3803
[03:26] <spanglesontoast> someone send me the link to the nfts guide please
[03:26] <stitch> so ifi were to run a program i would run this script?
[03:26] <gentoon> because redhat uses a different version of grep, duh
[03:26] <sproingie> gentoon: unless you have something constructive instead of complaining at the messenger
[03:26] <dooglus> sproingie: here's the fedora fix: http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/devel/grep/grep-2.5.1-egf-speedup.patch
[03:27] <crimson-> okay so i showed the sources in synapitc and it still cant find the package
[03:27] <crimson-> of xfce
[03:27] <dooglus> gentoon: the bug is still in the CVS trunk at savannah...
[03:27] <gentoon> sproingie, it is positive, your full of it, grep is fine, im tired of people creating problems, cause they dun know proper syntax
[03:27] <sproingie> dooglus: you have a lot more insight into the problem ... you really should file a bug.  like i said, people may just forget about it over and over
[03:27] <magog> im having trouble doing multi-disc installs, when it asks for the second disc i cant eject the 1st, ive tried unmounting 1st too but its a nogo
[03:27] <dooglus> sproingie: file it where though?  it's already all over the net!
[03:28] <dooglus> sproingie: it's even in the ubuntu bug system, here: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1148
[03:28] <sproingie> dooglus: on ubuntu... whatever package grep is in.  you can file bugs directly from aptitude
[03:28] <Hamled|Erp> does ubuntu offer deboostrap?
[03:28] <sproingie> dooglus: i guess you could always try the patch yourself...
[03:28] <sproingie> Hamled|Erp: yes
[03:28] <Hamled|Erp> k, thanks
[03:29] <dooglus> sproingie: notice comment 10 from Thom May <thom@ubuntu.com
[03:29] <dooglus> "This is an absolutely absurd inflation of severity".
[03:29] <IIIEars> magog - sounds like a pain. - Did you have an icon on the desktop to right click and eject with?
[03:29] <stitch> what is the extension .bin used for?
[03:29] <dooglus> sproingie: it's a bug which kills the default ubuntu installation - hammers the CPU for hours on end - and he thinks it's been over inflated, and then ignores it?
[03:29] <ticktoc> my printer didnt' get installed but cups is running..  BUT ...  can't connect to cups web interface http(s)://localhost:631  it just isn't there...  any ideas?
[03:29] <diego> stitch: binary executable
[03:29] <magog> IIIEars, yup, says its in use
[03:29] <stitch> ok cool
[03:29] <gentoon> I found a bug in CD it doesnt work cause i used cd ..../    better file a bug report!!
[03:29] <IIIEars> ouch
[03:30] <magog> is there a way to force it?
[03:30] <dooglus> the problem is, there's no ubuntu patch I can find.  the patch in the ubuntu bug system is an old version of the fedora patch
[03:30] <sproingie> gentoon: dude, you're already under, stop digging.  you're embarrassing yourself
[03:30] <gentoon> No im embaressing you
[03:30] <IIIEars> Don't really know - sorry. :/
[03:30] <sproingie> gentoon: this is a real bug, and you are being patronizing and abusive
[03:30] <ben> stich - shell scripts
[03:31] <gentoon> By posting this log on the forums cause that bug was fixed in final release look at the release notes
[03:31] <gentoon> lmao
[03:31] <dooglus> gentoon: if you pay attention you might learn something.  maybe about bash shell syntax for instance.
[03:31] <sproingie> gentoon: simply read your comments out loud, and imagine the maturity level at which they sound
[03:31] <gentoon> you are so lost
[03:31] <gentoon> People can be very ignorant
[03:31] <dooglus> gentoon: look where?  which URL?
[03:31] <onekill> when you install programs where do they usually go?
[03:31] <sproingie> fixed in final release, not closed, and reproducible in a current release.
[03:31] <gentoon> Read the link i posted over 20 mins ago when we started this
[03:32] <gentoon> the bug was fixed in the final release
[03:32] <onekill> example going to try to install acrobat reader
[03:32] <gentoon> grep works fine now,
[03:32] <gentoon> drop it
[03:33] <ticktoc> gentoo may or maynot be an fool but I have a real issue here with my printer..  can anyone take a couple of seconds to point me in the right direction?
[03:33] <dooglus> gentoon: got a URL for that?  I don't see you mentioning any URLs
[03:33] <IIIEars> << grep -e room quiet_corner.deb
[03:33] <spanglesontoast> how do I make in computer the all new mounted file systems show up?
[03:33] <gentoon> you dont know where the release notes are?
[03:33] <gentoon> sigh, i give up
[03:34] <dooglus> gentoon: which release notes?
[03:34] <gentoon> for hoary finalk
[03:34] <gentoon> final
[03:34] <dooglus> hoary's you mean?
[03:34] <TMM> hi all!
[03:34] <gentoon> what else would i mean
[03:34] <TMM> I'm a current debian sid user, and I am just about to migrate to ubuntu, as in, after the next reboot :)
[03:34] <dooglus> do you mean here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/ ?
[03:34] <gentoon> I said 4 times in the Final Realese of Hoary
[03:35] <TMM> I just wanted to ask, as a KDE user now, if I install ubuntu, and I decide that I can't miss KDE, and install kubuntu later, will this give problems? will I still be able to switch to gnome later without having to reinstall either ubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop?
[03:35] <dooglus> gentoon: if that's the page you mean, then it has no mention of grep at all...
[03:35] <gentoon> I think that dooglus, and sproingie, need to calm down, they were educated and now its over
[03:36] <sproingie> dooglus: this is the wrong channel to discuss real bugs anyway.  #ubuntu-dev
[03:36] <dooglus> am I feeding the troll?
[03:36] <gentoon> shh
[03:36] <gentoon> go away we are trying to help people
[03:36] <sproingie> dooglus: no, just welcome to the linux community, now stfu n00b
[03:36] <lleberg> what command gives me the information about the dist i'm using?
[03:36] <crimson-> are there any alternative methods to installing Xfce on my comp. other than the terminal?
[03:36] <ticktoc> uname -a
[03:36] <gentoon> #ubuntu-dev is empty
[03:37] <dooglus> nearly
[03:37] <humbraro> TMM: you shouldnt have any problems
[03:37] <gentoon> its #ubuntu-devel smartone
[03:37] <TMM> humbraro: thank you, I'm not exactly new to linux or anything, but I'm not installing ubuntu to have problems :)
[03:38] <humbraro> TMM: you'll probably be pleasantly surprised
[03:38] <dooglus> does ubuntu rely on debian fixing the bug?  or do they sometimes fix stuff independantly?
[03:39] <ticktoc> if ubuntu MISSED my printer during install, how do I get it to recognize it now?  hal shows it and so does usbview but it just isn't defined in the system anywhere at runtime..
[03:39] <gentoon> they fix there own bugs
[03:39] <IIIEars> TMM - Give us a hardware profile. some one here has the same or nearly the same stuff.
[03:39] <sproingie> dooglus: they fix things more or less independently.  sometimes if debian's working on a bug, they'll wait for the fix
[03:39] <ben> should ubuntu play dvds straight out of the box or do i need to install something?
[03:39] <TMM> IIIEars: same stuff than me?
[03:40] <TMM> IIIEars: compaq presario 2700EA (laptop)
[03:40] <ben> i got compaq presario 1800
[03:40] <count0nz> :(
[03:40] <TMM> humbraro: ow, I know ubuntu quite well, I just never installed kubuntu before, I have moved about 10 people to ubuntu now (from winXP) but, hey, this is MY workstation, so now I care :P
[03:41] <IIIEars> I had no trouble all usb and printing worked samba too. - no raid or wireless here.
[03:41] <humbraro> lol, i installed kubuntu just to check out kde after a long hiatus - it went fine
[03:41] <TMM> humbraro: I was thinking about writing some administraton software ubuntu, so I don't want to loose my gnome desktop of I install kubuntu later
[03:41] <lleberg> hm, i'll might as well sit here all night
[03:41] <lleberg> so..
[03:41] <lleberg> i need .nsf support in xmms!
[03:41] <ticktoc> lleberg...  the command is uname -a (did you miss it before)
[03:41] <TMM> humbraro: I keep telling everyone how great ubuntu is, but I don't use it myself :)
[03:42] <lleberg> ticktoc: No, i saw it :)
[03:42] <ticktoc> oppss..
[03:42] <count0nz> if you apt-get insall kubuntu-desktop you won't lose your gnome desktop you just get option to chose gnome or kde
[03:42] <IIIEars> TMM - likely your wireless will work add the smp kernel for HTT if your machine has HTT.
[03:43] <caine> what is the command to killall cd rom event
[03:43] <caine> *s
[03:44] <humbraro> lleberg: if you mean nes sound file, check out xmms-festalon
[03:44] <Mahl> While playing a dvd in Totem...there is no sound and it goes choppy
[03:44] <Mahl> howcome?
[03:44] <Mahl> Totem with Xine
[03:44] <IIIEars> xine and xine-ui - works
[03:44] <lleberg> humbraro: Yes master! I obey!
[03:44] <caine> "killall firefox-bin" kills mozilla....what kills the cd rom crap
[03:44] <ticktoc> is there ANOTHER channel I can go to with my printer problem?  Nobody here seems to give a s**t
[03:44] <humbraro> damn!
[03:44] <lleberg> Ehum, i have watched to much invader zim.
[03:45] <Mahl> vlc can play it with sound BUT...itt still runs choppy
[03:45] <humbraro> i got to get my fiancee to say that
[03:45] <ben> ermm.. how do you xkill things which died in gnome?
[03:45] <ablyss> killall -9 <application name>
[03:45] <IIIEars> Mahl - i am very new to linux so take this with a huge grain of salt. try killing esd.
[03:45] <Amaranth> ticktoc: If no one knows no one can answer. Please try not to be rude.
[03:46] <Mahl> killed esd
[03:46] <Mahl> still runs choppy
[03:46] <TMM> IIIEars: well, my PROCESSOR supports HT, but the cheap ass chipset on this little 'wonder' doesnt
[03:46] <iratsu> how do i produce accented letters in X with an US english keyboard?
[03:46] <Mahl> no wait
[03:46] <Mahl> now it works
[03:46] <Mahl> thanks :D
[03:46] <Mahl> whats esd and what does it do?
[03:46] <ticktoc> sound server for enlightenment
[03:46] <caine> "killall firefox-bin" kills mozilla....what kills the cd rom crap
[03:46] <Mahl> but I dont use enlightenemnt
[03:47] <Mahl> *spelling
[03:47] <ablyss> umount cdrom
[03:47] <caine> can
[03:47] <caine> *t
[03:47] <IIIEars> TMM - not too sure where that leaves you. Compaq is filled with surprises. - i feel your pain.
[03:47] <Mahl> it dont RUN as choppy as it used to...now it runs just a little bit choppy
[03:47] <ticktoc> its just another snd system like arts or alsa or oss
[03:47] <Madpilot> hi all - I've got a brand-new SATA HDD that I want to install & format w/ Ubuntu.
[03:48] <humbraro> IIIEars: amen to that, i got a compaq desktop here that won't boot anything but a linux install disk for some reason
[03:48] <iratsu> what qould explain keyboard switching from qwerty to azerty after rebooting?
[03:48] <ablyss> caine, is the cdrom busy?
[03:48] <ben> okay - any reason totem might not play a dvd and then crash?
[03:48] <Madpilot> will Ubuntu auto-detect the new HDD if I install it?
[03:48] <humbraro> damndest thing i've seen in awhile
[03:48] <IIIEars> Mahl - Totem just doesn't work very well. xine+xine-ui works very well.
[03:48] <ablyss> mplayer works very nice too
[03:48] <IcemanV9> Mahl: did u turn on dma on CD? if not, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DMA
[03:48] <TMM> IIIEars: well, I'll be able to get it to work... I've been using linux on compaq laptops for 6 years now... I even know how to service the damn things myself, because for some reason, the harddisks in my laptops fail every 6 months
[03:48] <Mahl> thanks iceman ive tried but yet it dont want to seem to work
[03:48] <Mahl> ill check the link thou
[03:48] <TMM> hmmm\
[03:49] <Mahl> as I think thats the reason why
[03:49] <TMM> copying 49GB of stuff over to an usb2 disk is going to take some time I guess? :)
[03:49] <TMM> lol
[03:49] <ben> erm... implies i don't have a codec... i don't need to install an mpeg2 codec do i?
[03:49] <TMM> hmm
[03:49] <IcemanV9> Mahl: it happened to me before. when i turned dma on, man it ran smooth as silk.
[03:49] <IIIEars> TMM - Would you like some nice paper weights? free shipping. - lol(dead HD's)
[03:50] <TMM> someone remind me, cp -R copies dot files or not?
[03:50] <Mahl> so sudo hdparm -tT /dev/hda checks the dma on harddrive linux partition right
[03:50] <Mahl> whats the cdrom
[03:50] <Mahl>  /dev/cdrom?
[03:50] <TMM> IIIEars: no, thank youm I've got 8 dead 2.5" disks myself :P
[03:50] <IcemanV9> Mahl: /dev/hdc is usually CD drive
[03:51] <iratsu> how do i switch my keyboard to qwerty?
[03:51] <TMM> ahh
[03:51] <TMM> cp -Rv . /mnt
[03:51] <TMM> well
[03:51] <IIIEars> TMM - I found "HELIX Linux" helpful at salvaging itunes and other files.
[03:51] <Amaranth> iratsu: System->Preferences->Keyboard
[03:51] <IcemanV9> Mahl: use hdparm without '-tT'; it'll tell you info
[03:51] <TMM> I wonder how long this is going to take :)
[03:51] <Madpilot> anyone? how does Ubuntu handle a brand-new unformatted SATA HDD?
[03:51] <TMM> IIIEars: after the first 3 times I got used to what happens before a disk dies, so I can prepare myself :)
[03:51] <Amaranth> Madpilot: You can set it up with gparted.
[03:51] <ablyss> cp will copy dot ( hidden files ) regardless.. .the -r flag just recursively copies
[03:52] <caoimhan> Hey all... got a small problem...
[03:52] <caoimhan> I can't eject my CD-ROM drive.
[03:52] <TMM> IIIEars: if the disk slows down to a crawl, and the smart status stuff yells about a lot of write retries... time to replace :)
[03:52] <TMM> IIIEars: now, I just replace it every 6 months to be sure... takes less time :)
[03:52] <Madpilot> Amaranth: thnx, will check gparted's man
[03:52] <hyphenater> caoimhan: right click the cd icon > eject
[03:53] <TMM> lots of stuff here that I didn't really have to keep I see
[03:53] <TMM> ablyss: cp * will copy hidden files anyway?
[03:53] <ablyss> TMM, yes
[03:53] <caoimhan> hyphenater: doesn't work. Neither does sudo eject
[03:53] <IIIEars> TMM - a foil pack of aspirin in the battery compartment is helpful also.
[03:53] <TMM> ablyss: should have known...
[03:53] <Mahl> if i got 2 cdroms?
[03:53] <caoimhan> It says that the device is busy.
[03:53] <ablyss> ls -a to see
[03:53] <Mahl> its hdc and hdd?
[03:53] <Amaranth> caoimhan: Did you just burn a CD?
[03:53] <TMM> IIIEars: yes... definately :) still, hpaq support is really good
[03:53] <caoimhan> Amaranth: Nope. But it is a CDRW drive.
[03:54] <Amaranth> caoimhan: open a terminal and run skill gam_server, then try to eject
[03:54] <IcemanV9> Mahl: hdd is for a secone one; i'm sure you don't have that. hdc is the one.
[03:54] <ablyss> not sure about cp * but cp /dir works for me
[03:54] <Mahl> I enabled the dma on both cdroms
[03:54] <Mahl> still the speed test....no change
[03:54] <Mahl> exept for the second one
[03:54] <Mahl> :D
[03:54] <caoimhan> Thanks, Amaranth, that did it... why did that work? What's gam_server?
[03:54] <hyphenater> caoimhan: have any shells with a working directory on the cd?
[03:55] <IcemanV9> Mahl: oh? you DO have two drives?! ok. hdd is for second one. :)
[03:55] <ablyss> from what I can tell cp * does NOT copy hidden files
[03:55] <TMM> IIIEars: just today I wrecked my keyboard, and I replaced it with my spare laptop (don't ask, yes, I have a spare laptop for just these cases) and I wanted to buy a new keyboard for the spare. so I went to hp's website, couldn't find it, and found a 'chat with support' thingy, so I clicked it, and 'stacy' directed me to the place where I could buy them... might very well have been a bot (I know half of it was, at least) but still, very helpful :)
[03:55] <caoimhan> hyphenater: Amaranth's solution worked.
[03:55] <Amaranth> caoimhan: It's gamin, it watches for changes to files.
[03:55] <IcemanV9> Mahl: it doesn't help? hmm. i used this command for mine. sudo hdparm -d1u1c1X66 /dev/hdc
[03:56] <ablyss> but cp \.* works
[03:57] <TMM> ablyss: I wanted *All* files copies, so I figured "." would be a good idea.. it worked. cp -Rv . /mnt... I was hoping that "." would imply ALL files in the current dir, and it did :)
[03:57] <IIIEars> Amaranth - Nice tip. :)
[03:57] <ablyss> TMM, interesting :)
[03:57] <Mahl> it works excellent now
[03:58] <TMM> hmm
[03:58] <IcemanV9> Mahl: yea!! :)
[03:58] <Mahl> so
[03:58] <Mahl> paste the lines into the /etc/hdparm.conf file?
[03:58] <TMM> importing my email from kmail into evo, is that going to pose a lot of trouble you guys thing? it's all in mailDIR format....
[03:58] <spanglesontoast> wheres the ntfs guide?
[03:58] <caoimhan> Thanks, Amaranth
[03:58] <kent> http://madbean.com/anim/jarwars/
[03:59] <Mahl> because right now
[03:59] <IcemanV9> Mahl: actually, i added it to bootmisc.sh
[03:59] <Mahl> everything ROCKS
[03:59] <Mahl> my manowar dvd plays perfectly
[03:59] <Mahl> ok so no adding it to hdparm.conf?
[03:59] <Amaranth> IIIEars: Yeah, it's pretty slick. Found it on the forums after lsof said gam_server was using my drive.
[04:00] <spanglesontoast> ntfs stuff plz
[04:00] <IcemanV9> Mahl: it might work on your box. it doesn't work well on mine. so i added it to bootmisc.sh instead.
[04:00] <TMM> Mahl: adding it to hdparm.conf is nicer :)
[04:00] <Mahl> ok who should I listen to..
[04:00] <IIIEars> TMM - erm - evolution is okay Thunderbird is better. - I may have evo mis-configured but it stalls a lot.
[04:00] <IcemanV9> Mahl: test it and decide which is better for your box. :)
[04:01] <TMM> Mahl: the hdparm init script just reads /etc/hdparm.conf and cunstructs a list of parameters for hdparm, and runs hdparm
[04:01] <TMM> IcemanV9: probably made a typeo in his hdparm.conf :P
[04:01] <Mahl> becausecpu usage went down 90 percent
[04:01] <IcemanV9> TMM: :)
[04:01] <Mahl> sorry bout the spelling..its 4 am
[04:02] <TMM> Mahl: here too, seemed like an excellent time to migrate to ubuntu for some reason
[04:02] <shido6> I have a usb receiver, how do I get it to act like my mouse ? (ati remote )
[04:02] <lleberg> Uhm, why wont xmms-festalon work for me+
[04:02] <Mahl> hehehe
[04:02] <Mahl> ive been using ubuntu since it came out...aint booted up windows yet
[04:02] <IcemanV9> < M$-free!
[04:02] <TMM> Mahl: meh, I haven't used windows since it ate my homework, and I haven't been to school in a LOONG time :) I'm magrating between different linux distros now :)
[04:03] <Mahl> :P
[04:03] <Mahl> Im never going to use windows again
[04:03] <shido6> I heard that
[04:03] <Mahl> Longhorn comes...and it goes
[04:03] <ubuntu> Can Someone Please Help Me.. My System wont boot. get stuck at Starting Enterprise Volume Management. please Help
[04:03] <Mahl> Used beos for a long time...beos went down...migrated to qnx...but it was all hobby
[04:03] <Mahl> now ive found my home OS :)
[04:04] <TMM> Mahl: qnx? is that any good?
[04:04] <IcemanV9> linksys or d-link???
[04:04] <Mahl> aint used it a long time
[04:04] <Mahl> id recommend linux over it :p
[04:04] <TMM> Mahl: might be nice to try in qemu :) I ran ubuntu in qemu (as my primary OS) for 2 days now, to see if I would like it... and I think I do
[04:04] <IcemanV9> qnx is excellent for embedded project
[04:05] <Mahl> its awesome...
[04:05] <iratsu> are printers better plugged in parallel ports or USB ports?
[04:05] <Mahl> all the choices...gotta love it
[04:05] <ubuntu> can't anybody help me???
[04:05] <humbraro> iirc, qnx or some derivative is running those mars rovers
[04:05] <TMM> still... that also means moving to gnome... that might be difficult for me :)
[04:05] <Mahl> Love gnome
[04:05] <Mahl> kde is too...unproffesional design wise
[04:05] <ben> ubuntu.... more info
[04:05] <Mahl> well...for me
[04:05] <spanglesontoast> how come vegastrike is really slow?
[04:05] <IIIEars> Mahl - Bill Gates promised to remove the "Blue Screen of Death" from Longhorn. (hint - the new screen color is red.)
[04:05] <ubuntu> tmm if you prefer kde then try kubuntu
[04:05] <Mahl> yeah
[04:05] <TMM> ubuntu: sorry, I can't... I don't know what happens just before or after volume managemnt
[04:06] <ubuntu> ben scroll up and youll see the more info
[04:06] <TMM> ubuntu: maybe later :) I'm not sure yet which I prefer
[04:06] <benplaut> anyone here tried a WM with PyPanel? is it worth it?
[04:06] <Mahl> and I love compiling...im addicted to it
[04:06] <Mahl> reminds me of the good old dos days
[04:06] <TMM> ubuntu: it should be easy to migrate later. right?
[04:06] <ubuntu> from ubuntu to kubuntu?
[04:06] <TMM> Mahl: well, ever since I started to use debian, I never, ever compile software (except for when I wrote it, ofcourse) it just takes too long :)
[04:06] <ubuntu> yeah just open a console and do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:06] <sevets> How do I change what program opens when I click on a file
[04:07] <sevets> such as
[04:07] <TMM> ubuntu: still, can I still use gnome after that?
[04:07] <ubuntu> yes youll just select it at logon
[04:07] <IcemanV9> TMM: yep
[04:07] <TMM> ubuntu: or will it replace gnome for some reason? I don't know if it conflicts or not
[04:07] <IIIEars> Mahl - except for the dialing into a B.B.S. system to get extra code it's a lot like early DOS.
[04:08] <ubuntu> My System wont boot. get stuck at Starting Enterprise Volume Management. please Help
[04:08] <Mahl> yeah
[04:08] <Mahl> and I loved dos
[04:08] <ubuntu> some help would be really appriciated
[04:08] <benplaut> i wish there was a DE that had alot of the features+candy of KDE, but the speed and look of Gnome
[04:08] <TMM> let the record show that I know KDE and Gnome do not conflict as such, I just wondered if perhaps the ubuntu/kubuntu packages have 'conflicts' stuff in them, to keep the user from having 2 desktops installed... I'm not an idiot :)
[04:08] <benplaut> futile hopes...
[04:08] <cafuego> uh-oh
[04:08] <ubuntu> tmm no not at all I have had them both while i was trying to decide myself
[04:09] <TMM> Mahl: how can one 'love DOS'? what is there to love? :)
[04:09] <Mahl> having to write stuff instead of using the gui all hte time
[04:09] <benplaut> TMM: i have almost every WM and DE in the repos, and the only conflict is that Nautilus tries to write the desktop of the WMs and XFCE
[04:09] <cafuego> TMM: No, you can install (and simultaneously run) both.
[04:09] <TMM> cafuego: uh-oh? storm coming? :)
[04:09] <rtuck> Hey guys...I upgraded to xorg 6.8.2-21 earlier today and Xorg upped and died. I've been trying the symlink advice on the forums to no avail. Any suggestions would be most appreciated.
[04:09] <IIIEars> TMM - lol - you had to be there
[04:09] <ben> dod was great - never had a blue screen of death ;-)
[04:09] <cafuego> TMM: My new neighbours have birds
[04:09] <ben> dos
[04:09] <IcemanV9> TMM: you can experiment with KDE or Gnome for two weeks before you can rebuild with the one you want :)
[04:10] <cafuego> rtuck: Downgrade to -10,. which works fine.
[04:10] <TMM> we'll see
[04:10] <cafuego> rtuck: Also see the channel topic.
[04:10] <TMM> ubuntu's gnome looks very slick, but also, very limited
[04:10] <shido6> so what do you use TMM ?
[04:10] <TMM> KDE on debian sid
[04:10] <humbraro> tmm limited how?
[04:10] <IIIEars> ben - nah DOS wold occasionally just lock up solidly with no warning. rofl
[04:11] <TMM> humbraro: settings way, there's not much you can do, I've got my KDE tweaked so much, I keep backups of my .kde dir just in case I loose them :)
[04:11] <IIIEars> DOS 6.2 was "refined"
[04:11] <rtuck> cafuego: I tried an "apt-get xserver-xorg=6.8.2=10" but it didn't seem to solve my problem. Am I missing anything. And for the record, I saw a couple posts saying xorg was okay so I at least TRIED to rtfm. ;)
[04:11] <humbraro> ah, true dat  - gnome doesn't have as many options as kde
[04:11] <TMM> cafuego: great! I'll just start off with gnome, and see what I like best
[04:11] <sproingie> i'd imagine any non-multitasking OS would tend to lock up solidly when it locked up
[04:12] <ben> TMM: there is more to life than options
[04:12] <sproingie> i never saw COMMAND.COM lock up tho
[04:12] <cafuego> rtuck: You 8also* need the xbase-clients packages, the fonts, the libs and specifically, the x11proto-foo pakcage sneed to go away. It's a manual job.
[04:12] <cafuego> sproingie: type c:\CON\CON
[04:12] <Mahl> dos 3.10 owns
[04:12] <Mahl> thats all I gotta say
[04:12] <IIIEars> Linux is better someone can dissect all of the code at least things get fixed in a timely manner.
[04:12] <Mahl> I got it on my atari
[04:12] <rtuck> cafuego: Woot.
[04:12] <TMM> there's only one thing about ubuntu that annoys me, and that's that installed software from universe or mutliverse doesn't show up in any menu... that's really annoying
[04:12] <shido6> 191 packages in 1 minute 14 seconds
[04:12] <Mahl> Now If I was able to get a hold of a flash disk of 128 megs and run a linux kernel ontop of that...
[04:12] <sproingie> cafuego: ah, indeed.  i must have suppressed it
[04:12] <Mahl> that would be cool
[04:12] <TMM> especially since there's no decent menu editor, apart from that 'sar' or something
[04:13] <TMM> and that's not decent :)
[04:13] <cafuego> sproingie: That's really the best thing you can do with DOS.
[04:13] <cafuego> (suppress it)
[04:13] <sproingie> no matter what windows does to improve, it still has "magic filenames" from the DOS era
[04:13] <humbraro> Mahl: damn small linux will run from a flash drive
[04:13] <IcemanV9> Mahl: you can do it with Slax on usb flash disk
[04:13] <TMM> dos only has ONE use these days, and that's to function as a bootloader for the netware installation :)
[04:13] <TMM> ok, and running old adventure games, obviously :P
[04:13] <sproingie> so NT goes to great lengths to reproduce ancient broken behavior everywhere
[04:13] <spanglesontoast> does anyone her know much about vega strike?
[04:13] <IIIEars> TMM - lol
[04:13] <sproingie> now that's compatibility
[04:14] <cafuego> TMM: The adventure games run fine on dosemu.
[04:14] <Mahl> Seen terminator 2? You know in the bank terminal? when the kid withdraws money? I got the same atari
[04:14] <Mahl> would be so awesome to run linux on it
[04:14] <sproingie> i wonder if there's a registry hack to turn off those magic filenames?
[04:14] <TMM> cafuego: which runs... dos, freedos... I was referring to the OS, not a sperate box percee :)
[04:14] <cafuego> sproingie: format c: fixes it every time.
[04:14] <TMM> cafuego: arguably, dosbox doesn't 'run dos' as such
[04:14] <sproingie> i guess that hacks the registry
[04:14] <sproingie> sure slims it down
[04:14] <cafuego> sproingie: with an axe, but yes ;-)
[04:15] <humbraro> gotta love the registry, and microsofts "system restore" utility to fix a broken one
[04:16] <TMM> sproingie: you know what annoys me the most? the fact that MS had the oppurtinity to fix the whole 'magice filename' business with .net, and they didn't...
[04:16] <IIIEars> Honestly glad Bill G. came along. There used to be a dozen flavors of CPM and seemingly no two were compatible.
[04:16] <IcemanV9> i have dos 6.x & win 3.x disks laying around  somewhere in my house; wonders if i could install it on Ubuntu?? which program should i use to run it??
[04:16] <TMM> IcemanV9: qemu
[04:17] <IcemanV9> qemu? cool. gotta try to install it tommorrow when i find those disks! :)
[04:17] <TMM> IcemanV9: probably in universe or multiverse somewhere (it's in debian sid anyway)
[04:17] <count0nz> CP/M rocks :)
[04:17] <Davey> anyone have mplayer-plugin freeze always at 25% when trying to play a movie in FF?
[04:17] <TMM> IIIEars: I'm not glad, if all the incompatible versions would still be there, then MAYBE people would still know how to write portable code, and we wouldn't all be tied to the braindead x86 arch... no... I', not happy, not happy at all
[04:17] <count0nz> wonders where i can get a old CP/M os from for X86 :)
[04:18] <TMM> IcemanV9: just download then :)
[04:18] <ben> google
[04:18] <TMM> IcemanV9: limewire and you've got your disks :)
[04:18] <IIIEars> x86 and CPM - not too sure CPM and 8088?
[04:19] <TMM> humbraro: indeed... I wonder what a microsoft-made unix looks like :)
[04:19] <Mahl> I had an 8086 once...4.77 mhz
[04:19] <Mahl> 64 kb of ram...green screen
[04:19] <Mahl> 2 5'25 disk stations...
[04:19] <IIIEars> Mahl - Blazing fast
[04:19] <TMM> ha!
[04:19] <Mahl> yeah
[04:19] <TMM> I had a vendex headstart
[04:19] <Mahl> wrote 30 lines and the pc locked up cus lack of ram
[04:19] <humbraro> TMM: ya, a fully networked multitasking os from the company that gave us dos
[04:19] <Mahl> Major killswitch on the side with sparks flying out of it
[04:19] <cafuego> Mahl: My apple 2e still runs (it's sitting next to me)
[04:19] <Mahl> bet the computer case weighed a hundred kilos
[04:19] <lleberg> i heard something of the cuban leader fidel castro wanted to make cuba more independet of USA, and by that he men't to change the OS on all goverment computers form windows to linux
[04:20] <TMM> which could be set to either 4.77 or 8 mhz, swichable with a little DOS utility, that I lost later on, which kept it stuck at 8mhz... which sucked when trying to play games from that time... because they where all too fast
[04:20] <TMM> it was my father's one actually... who was royally pissed :)
[04:20] <Mahl> I remember loading up commander keen 4 from my 286
[04:20] <Mahl> game went choppy
[04:21] <IcemanV9> cool. ty TMM
[04:21] <maxy_noob> doesn't it seem primitive in these post-dos days to be running convoluted commands in a terminal?
[04:21] <rtuck> Commander Keen...Now that was a great game. Best side scroller until Mega Man 2.
[04:21] <humbraro> maxy_noob: no
[04:21] <TMM> cafuego: you've got a turbo button on a pentium? neat :P
[04:21] <cafuego> maxy_noob: Not really, seeing as you don't _have_ to unless you _want_ to.
[04:21] <cafuego> TMM: I don't have pentiums.
[04:21] <maxy_noob> humbraro, why?
[04:21] <TMM> cafuego: the turbo button on the vendex machine was entirely in software :) (well probably a BIOS call or something)
[04:22] <Mahl> I still play commander keen :p
[04:22] <TMM> cafuego: ok, what kind of multi ghz processor do you have that has a power button on the case of the system? :)
[04:22] <cafuego> TMM: I wasn't aware they actually did anything, apart from making the LED display a different number ;-)
[04:22] <humbraro> several reasons...hmm...speed, consistancy, scriptability, easy networking, consistancy across platforms
[04:22] <maxy_noob> for days now I've been trying to delete plugins from my realplayer but cannot. It says I don't have permission. Can someone help me do this?
[04:22] <IcemanV9> commander keen!! heheh
[04:22] <KrisWood> hello everyone
[04:22] <cafuego> TMM: Just an amd64 in a VERY old case
[04:22] <ben> maxy_noob - you trying giving useful support to someone without being able to refer to a command line
[04:22] <KrisWood> I'm back again without more mounting problems
[04:22] <TMM> cafuego: coooooool, how did you fit your atx PSU in there then? :)
[04:22] <KrisWood> this time it's my wife ;)
[04:23] <Mahl> Gotta love dosbox
[04:23] <TMM> cafuego: with an axe, no doubt :)
[04:23] <Mahl> Running Linux i686 on a 3ghz computer kinda rocks too
[04:23] <maxy_noob> ben, I've done it with windows, and it's simple.
[04:23] <cafuego> TMM: it's an ATX case; I got it when the P2 was first released; it used to be an SMP P2/300 machine.
[04:23] <maxy_noob> far far simpler.
[04:23] <TMM> cafuego: with a turbo button?
[04:23] <maxy_noob> but I don't want to make this a Linux vs. Windows thing.
[04:23] <cafuego> TMM: *wink*
[04:23] <IIIEars> maxy_noob - sudo or sudo su hasn't worked?
[04:23] <maxy_noob> I'm simply asking the question. It just seems a little primitive.
[04:23] <KrisWood> my wife dual boots windows and linux but we have trouble getting the permissions right in fstab
[04:23] <TMM> cafuego: an SMP P2 machine with a turbo button?????
[04:24] <Methynutnut> turbo's cool
[04:24] <cafuego> humbraro: That's what I used to play Flight Simulator on.
[04:24] <maxy_noob> IIIEars, sudo su?
[04:24] <Methynutnut> you can cheat in all the dos snake games, by turning it off, and it's really easy
[04:24] <humbraro> heh
[04:24] <cafuego> TMM: No, it's a mock button glued to the case.
[04:24] <maxy_noob> IIIEars, I'm looking up the command.
[04:24] <TMM> cafuego: I don't really think you can switch between clock speeds in a SMP setup
[04:24] <maxy_noob> sudo rm ... didn't work
[04:24] <KrisWood> could anyone here help with mounting an ntfs hard drive in ubuntu?
[04:24] <TMM> cafuego: lol, OK :) I was very confused there for a minute :P
[04:24] <cafuego> TMM: These days you (maybe) could via acpi - but not via a button.
[04:25] <TMM> cafuego: well, more confused than usual
[04:25] <IIIEars> give it a shot. Root Sudo   -- http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:25] <sproingie> you want a real man's turbo button: http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/G/grind-crank.html
[04:25] <Xylene|Laptop> could someone point me to the config file that tells what kernel modules are loaded?
[04:25] <cafuego> TMM: Well, I could press a button to disable the cpu fan, which would make the cpu run slower due to heat ;-)
[04:25] <TMM> cafuego: SMP? unlikely... you'd have to change the clockspeed of the procs at exactly the same time... or resync them later... they probably can, and resync later... I think...
[04:25] <IIIEars> !ubotu Root Sudo
[04:25] <ubotu> IIIEars: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:25] <maxy_noob> IIIEars, sudo su or just plain sudo
[04:25] <TMM> hmm
[04:25] <Davey> dammit, mplayer is a pile of shit
[04:25] <dampjam> I have downloaded both the torrent, and direct iso for the i386 install, I have burned it three times, verified the md5sum and yet every time I get the error message when I try to do the base install , "Couldn't retrieve bsdutils.  This may be due to a network problem or a bad CD, depending on your installation method."
[04:25] <TMM> maybe I should go to bed :)
[04:25] <humbraro> Xylene|Laptop: the lsmod command will tell you
[04:26] <Xylene|Laptop> no, i want to remove modules
[04:26] <Xylene|Laptop> for hardware i don't use
[04:26] <TMM> still copying my ~/src dir... and that's not even the largest... I think I know now why migrating to a different distro seemed like such a bad idea...
[04:26] <IIIEars> !ubotu:"Root Sudo"  IS "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo"
[04:26] <ubotu> IIIEars: what are you talking about?
[04:26] <IIIEars> !ubotu:"RootSudo"  IS "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo"
[04:26] <ubotu> IIIEars: I think you lost me on that one
[04:26] <cafuego> IIIEars: spacing
[04:26] <Mahl> My first computer loooked like this sorta...http://www.granneman.com/images/ibm_pc_5150.jpg
[04:26] <maxy_noob> IIIEars, ok, thanks
[04:26] <TMM> owww
[04:26] <KrisWood> could anyone help me please with mounting an ntfs hard drive in ubuntu?
[04:27] <cafuego> !RootSudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:27] <ubotu> okay, cafuego
[04:27] <TMM> does the hoary installer support reiser4???
[04:27] <humbraro> Xylene|Laptop: checkout /etc/modules, /etc/modules.conf
[04:27] <sproingie>         Mahl: my gf actually has one of those right now
[04:27] <TMM> I REALLY want reiser4 if I'm formatting my entire drive :)
[04:27] <maxy_noob> so say I'm in root, how do I list the directory?
[04:27] <cafuego> TMM: You don't want to use reiser4.
[04:27] <Mahl> thats cool sproingie
[04:27] <TMM> cafuego: I don't??? I really thought I did :)
[04:27] <sproingie> TMM: what arch do you have?
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[04:27] <cafuego> !ricerfs
[04:27] <ubotu> Wish i knew, cafuego
[04:27] <TMM> sproingie: x86
[04:27] <maxy_noob> sudo rm /home/myusername/RealPlayer/filename?
[04:27] <cafuego> TMM: it *will* destroy your data.
[04:28] <sproingie> TMM: stick with jfs or ext3 or reiser3
[04:28] <Xylene|Laptop> hrm. there are a lot more loaded than shown in /etc/modules
[04:28] <TMM> cafuego: it will? I thought it had a stable release like, half a year ago or something
[04:28] <sproingie> i use xfs, which is particularly nice for amd64
[04:28] <TMM> sproingie: using reiser 3 now
[04:28] <cafuego> TMM: Yeah "stable". Not stable.
[04:28] <sproingie> TMM: unless you have a compelling need, don't switch filesystems for the hell of it
[04:28] <dampjam> Anybody know why bsdutils would fail during the install every time?
[04:28] <maxy_noob> IIIEars, ?
[04:28] <sproingie> TMM: no benefit, and you get data loss
[04:28] <maxy_noob> I'm asking because it says no such directory
[04:28] <KrisWood> /dev/hdb1       /mnt/hdb1       ntfs    defaults        0       0
[04:28] <TMM> sproingie: well... speed, really... I've seen benchmarks, and reiser4 always wins
[04:28] <KrisWood> does that look right?
[04:29] <cafuego> dampjam: Yes, there was a corrupted ISO a while back. Which one are you using?
[04:29] <Mahl> so when is reiser 4 being released?
[04:29] <humbraro> dampjam: which version of ubuntu are you using?
[04:29] <Mahl> I mean i dont know much about it
[04:29] <TMM> sproingie: plus, I wanted to play with its plugin architecture, and what I can come up with :)
[04:29] <sproingie> TMM: sure, but it needs to shake the bugs out.  when you have a bug in your filesystem, you can lose your filesystem
[04:29] <dampjam> I downloaded 5.04 from www.ubuntu.org an hour ago
[04:29] <cafuego> TMM: Speed benchmarks yes, not reliability ones.
[04:29] <IIIEars> Mahl - i remember a $2,700 TRS 80 - fully loaded
[04:29] <dampjam> I tried both the torrent, and the iso file
[04:29] <cafuego> dampjam: Ok, that *should* work fine.
[04:29] <Mahl> haha
[04:29] <sproingie> TMM: try mounting it on a loopback if you want to experiment.  not your production data
[04:29] <TMM> sproingie: I know what a bug in a filesystem can do to your data :)
[04:29] <maxy_noob> I'm still confused about listing directories.
[04:29] <dampjam> I've burnt it five times, and it always fails on this one step
[04:29] <maxy_noob> I don't know the path
[04:30] <maxy_noob> the proper path
[04:30] <TMM> sproingie: I guess... *sigh* geez... voice of reason....
[04:30] <Methynutnut> dampjam: stop wasting your cds, it's obviously not a media error
[04:30] <sproingie> TMM: or resize your partition and put it on a partition you don't care about
[04:30] <IIIEars> udidn't own one. - who could they were shared for an entire department.
[04:30] <TMM> sproingie: you sound just like me when I'm talking to other people :P
[04:30] <sproingie> TMM: hey i was running breezy til a few days ago, heedless of voice of reason
[04:30] <dampjam> ok I lied, three, two for the first image, and one after I downloaded the torrent iso
[04:30] <sproingie> TMM: oh the hurting
[04:30] <orangerd> i have a quick question - is ubuntu hoary configured with udev by default?
[04:30] <KrisWood> whenever I mount the ntfs filesystem it sets the permissions to 600 with ownership of root
[04:30] <TMM> sproingie: didn't work quite as well as you'd expected? :)
[04:30] <dampjam> sproingie: how is it, should I jump to it?
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[04:31] <TMM> cafuego: ok, I'll wait a bit with reiser4 then...
[04:31] <TMM> but, damn, I really want it :)
[04:31] <maxy_noob> stupid questions, I guess, eh?
[04:31] <sproingie> dampjam: you might do ok with regular ubuntu.  it's seriously borked for kubuntu, stuff like gcc versioning and dbus
[04:31] <cafuego> TMM: if you want speed and (relative) reliability, go XFS.
[04:31] <sproingie> dampjam: it's more unstable than debian sid, i'll tell you that much
[04:31] <cafuego> TMM: If you want soemthing that won't eat your data, go ext3.
[04:31] <TMM> cafuego: xfs is faster than reiser3?
[04:31] <dampjam> seeing as I cannot for the life of me get 5.04 to install, I might as well use the breezy install
[04:31] <cafuego> TMM: Depends on the system.
[04:31] <sproingie> TMM: xfs zooms on amd64, it's a 64 bit fs natively.  does just ok on x86
[04:31] <cafuego> TMM: I'd guess yes.
[04:31] <humbraro> dampjam: breezy will not work
[04:32] <humbraro> almost guaranteed
[04:32] <sproingie> s/x86/ia32/
[04:32] <IcemanV9> dampjam: md5sum ur iso file - to see if it is bad or not
[04:32] <cafuego> XFS and GRUB are not friends, though.
[04:32] <humbraro> dampjam: if anything, install warty and upgrade
[04:32] <dampjam> IcemanV9: I have
[04:32] <KrisWood> hello, anyone, could someone help me with setting up permissions on mounting an ntfs filesystem???
[04:32] <sproingie> cafuego: they should be, but hoary is using an old version
[04:32] <IcemanV9> dampjam: don't use BREEZY at all.
[04:32] <TMM> I think I'll just go for reiser3 again then...
[04:32] <sproingie> just make a /boot partition that isn't xfs, that's all
[04:32] <TMM> ext3 really is to slow for day-to-day use
[04:32] <orangerd> i have a quick question - is ubuntu hoary configured with udev by default?
[04:32] <abofaisal> Anyone using a D-Link DWL-122 wireless USB nic with Ubuntu?  Just trying to get an idea of how well it works out of the box before it arrives.
[04:32] <dampjam> I jumped on Hoary a few months early and it was relatively painless
[04:32] <_Church_of_Foamy> where is sources.list located?
[04:32] <IcemanV9> dampjam: ah. ok. :/
[04:32] <sproingie> orangerd: yes
[04:32] <dampjam> I enjoy living dangerously
[04:33] <cafuego> TMM: After the first access, it all ends up in disk cache anyway
[04:33] <TMM> ext3 is sloooooooooooow on a 2.5" 5400rpm disk
[04:33] <orangerd> sproingie: why is makedev in S20 in rc2.d then?
[04:33] <_Church_of_Foamy> ouch
[04:33] <sproingie> dampjam: you won't get much "on the bleeding edge" feel when you can't update any more
[04:33] <orangerd> sproingie: also shouldnt /etc/init.d/udev be in rc2.d?
[04:33] <_Church_of_Foamy> i'm running a 10000rpm
[04:33] <cafuego> TMM: it's pretty snappy on 10krpm scsi raid ;-)
[04:33] <dampjam> sproingie: hahahaha
[04:33] <TMM> on a faster disk, you probably notice it less, but on a slow disk... ext3 is killer
[04:33] <sproingie> orangerd: beats me.  i thought it was udev anyway
[04:33] <TMM> cafuego: no kidding :P
[04:33] <orangerd> sproingie: hm..  im just wondering if its safe to remove makedev all together..
[04:33] <cafuego> TMM: Mind you, XFS was frighteningly slow on my 5400 rpm x86 laptop
[04:33] <KrisWood> hello? ANYONE?
[04:34] <_Church_of_Foamy> anyone know where the soucrces.list fle is located?
[04:34] <dampjam> church: /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:34] <cafuego> TMM: A week later it died, eating all data.
[04:34] <sproingie> xfs is really made for 64 bit architectures
[04:34] <TMM> cafuego: well, reiser3 it is then...
[04:34] <_Church_of_Foamy> thanx ^_^
[04:34] <KrisWood> I think I might have to ask to ask a question.... and that'd be against the rules and such...
[04:34] <dampjam> church: man sources.list
[04:34] <TMM> sproingie: yes, it was made by SGI, and they ran 64bit only for a lot longer than x86-64 even exists
[04:35] <sproingie> KrisWood: FRAGEN IST VERBOTEN!
[04:35] <humbraro> KrisWood: if anybody knows, they will speak up
[04:35] <TMM> usb2 is slow too btw :P
[04:35] <KrisWood> heh ok
[04:35] <rtuck> cafuego: I have gnome. Thanks a ton. Perhaps I could bear you a lovechild or some such?
[04:35] <cafuego> TMM: Yeah, but just coz XFS is stable on irix doesn't mean it's stable under linux, sadly.
[04:35] <TMM> damn... I just wanted to copy 49GB of stuff. that shouldn't take half an hour :P
[04:35] <humbraro> KrisWood: do you really expect 200 people to say they don't know?
[04:35] <KrisWood> I guess I'll just have to ask over and over
[04:35] <TMM> cafuego: on irix... whoah... xfs is a dream :)
[04:35] <IcemanV9> speaking of which wireless network card I should get - linksys OR d-link??
[04:35] <Davey> OK, in the Multimedia Systems Selector, I can't choose anything but ESD, but I read on the forums, ALSA should work by default... what can I do to fix this?
[04:35] <cafuego> sproingie: Und wie sagt man das auf Deutsch?
[04:36] <sproingie> KrisWood: feel free, but please pause at least 10 minutes between asking
[04:36] <TMM> cafuego: still, I somehow trust SGI to do a good port, as to not discredit xfs's name
[04:36] <cafuego> rtuck: If we did that, my wife would kill us both.
[04:36] <sproingie> cafuego: NEIN! :)
[04:36] <Mahl> BBL
[04:36] <Mahl> trying out XFCE
[04:36] <Amaranth> cafuego: did you double ubotu's char limit?
[04:36] <Mahl> i kinda like it
[04:36] <TMM> still, the question remains, does the hoary installer support reiser4?
[04:36] <cafuego> andr3: yep
[04:36] <TMM> :)
[04:36] <benplaut> so... people have gotten XFS to work in ubuntu
[04:36] <cafuego> Amaranth: yep
[04:36] <benplaut> ?
[04:36] <KrisWood> no can do, my wife will give me no peace until I fix her windows file systems for linux :p
[04:36] <cafuego> Amaranth: Someone should actually plonk in an mplayer factoid.
[04:36] <crimsun> benplaut: yes, it runs fine with it.
[04:36] <sproingie> benplaut: works great.  just remember to use a non-xfs /boot
[04:37] <rtuck> cafuego: Yeah, and my uretha would be killing me. Have a good night all!
[04:37] <KrisWood> anyone here familiar with fstab at all?
[04:37] <sproingie> i think the updated version of grub works with xfs
[04:37] <TMM> KrisWood: euh... copy all the stuff over, and format the thing as ext3? :)
[04:37] <_Church_of_Foamy> hey anyone know where i can get a cheap used pci vid card
[04:37] <sproingie> but that's small comfort if the install version doesn't :)
[04:37] <KrisWood> lol she dual boots I don't think she'd like that answer
[04:37] <_Church_of_Foamy> thats compatable with linux and has at leats 16m of ram
[04:37] <benplaut> crimsun, sproingie: never mind... i was thinking XFE  :)
[04:38] <humbraro> _Church_of_Foamy: there's lots of cheap Nvidia stuff out there
[04:38] <cafuego> KrisWood: You just need to mount the NTFS windows partition?
[04:38] <cafuego> KrisWood: Or is it fat32?
[04:38] <KrisWood> yes, it's ntfs
[04:38] <KrisWood> and it mounts just fine
[04:38] <cafuego> KrisWood: Ok. That will be read-only.
[04:38] <lleberg> Does anyone of you know a working plugin for xmms for playing NSF (nintendo sound files)?
[04:38] <KrisWood> the problem is the permissions are wrong
[04:38] <TMM> KrisWood: well, stop her from dual booting then ;) she'll thank you later and give you a lot of sex
[04:38] <KrisWood> :-p
[04:38] <cafuego> KrisWood: *nod* Easy enouigh to fix, but they'll still be read-only.
[04:38] <crimsun> lleberg: there should be one listed on xmms's plugin page
[04:38] <KrisWood> ok why is it read only?
[04:38] <TMM> KrisWood: well, it was what MY girlfriend did anyway :)
[04:39] <cafuego> KrisWood: Because MS aren't releasing ntfs specs.
[04:39] <lleberg> crimsun: true..
[04:39] <KrisWood> she wants to be able to download things on ubuntu and then copy them over to the windows drive
[04:39] <humbraro> KrisWood: writing to ntfs from linux is currently very dangerous
[04:39] <TMM> KrisWood: well, because, basically... ntfs write support is in such a bad state that it'll hose your filesystem faster than you drink a shot of whisky :)
[04:39] <cafuego> KrisWood: That's not going to happen with an ntfs disk.
[04:39] <humbraro> KrisWood: it can have a very negative effect on your sex life
[04:39] <KrisWood> lol ok
[04:39] <cafuego> KrisWood: If she has ext3 on Linux, she can access that from within WIndows, though.
[04:39] <ben> where do i find libdvdcss?????
[04:39] <nern> hey there
[04:40] <KrisWood> really?
[04:40] <KrisWood> hmmmmm
[04:40] <KrisWood> how?
[04:40] <nern> yeah there is software for windows that allows access to ext3 and also another for reiserfs
[04:40] <KrisWood> ext3 in windows I mean
[04:40] <Yono> hey guys, hoary doesn't recognize the battery on my laptop
[04:40] <cafuego> KrisWood: There's explore2fs, which reads and copies data fom ext2/ext3... there's ext2fsd too...
[04:40] <Yono> do you have any suggestions?
[04:40] <cafuego> KrisWood: And there's the payware ext2fsanywhere as well
[04:40] <ben> is there a .deb of libdvdcss for dvd playback i can get?
[04:40] <KrisWood> cafuego, ok I'll look into those
[04:41] <ben> can i apt-get something to fix dvd playback?
[04:41] <humbraro> ben: do you have multiverse repositories?
[04:41] <TMM> KrisWood: if you NEED to have support to read/write to both partitions etc, move the windows box to fat32, it's easier all around
[04:41] <KrisWood> alright last question and I'll let you all get back to whatever it is you were doing before I started spamming hehe
[04:41] <daba> did you send me a message at all cafuego? I think my program(kopete) is being nuts(i dont use it ever really)... so did you send me a message?
[04:41] <ben> humbraro - not unless they are standard
[04:41] <cafuego> daba: No, i didn't.
[04:41] <daba> ok, thanks.
[04:41] <humbraro> ben: nope, their not, but its easy to do
[04:41] <danko123456> latahz:)
[04:41] <KrisWood> has anyone gotten 6ch surround to work with an AC97 card in ubuntu?
[04:41] <KrisWood> I can't find drivers / software that support it
[04:42] <Yono> can anyone help me with battery troubles?
[04:42] <cafuego> !ac97
[04:42] <ubotu> well, ac97 is there's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip.  Usually (for OSS, not ALSA) this means either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio.
[04:42] <KrisWood> yeah it's a via 82cxxx
[04:42] <cafuego> KrisWood: if neither OSS nor ALSA drivers support it, it won't be happening.
[04:42] <ben> humbraro - gone to synaptic repositaries - now what?
[04:42] <KrisWood> ok thanks
[04:42] <TMM> KrisWood: try running 'alsamixer' from the command line, and see if the driver exports more sound channels
[04:43] <KrisWood> we're using alsa right now and it's only giving 2 ch audio
[04:43] <cafuego> KrisWood: Mind you, it may be  afeature the driver authors might add
[04:43] <KrisWood> yeah tried alsamixer already
[04:43] <cafuego> KrisWood: Check the options on the driver, 'modinfo via82cxxx_audio'
[04:43] <KrisWood> the 6 channels show up in the mixer but no sound goes over them
[04:43] <humbraro> ben check out www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:43] <TMM> KrisWood: then, you are out of luck I'm afraid... for now, but it might change soon, or later :)
[04:44] <crimsun> KrisWood: 6 channels or 5.1?
[04:44] <KrisWood> 5.1
[04:44] <tritium> Hello crimsun
[04:44] <crimsun> KrisWood: use plug:surround51
[04:44] <KrisWood> what is modinfo?
[04:44] <crimsun> hello tritium
[04:44] <KrisWood> crimsun you completely lost me
[04:44] <cafuego> KrisWood: A neat tool that can tell you options for kernel modules.
[04:45] <KrisWood> ooooh sounds useful, where do I get it?
[04:45] <danko123456> cafuego: how does something get overwritten or appended to a particular entry in the bot?
[04:45] <crimsun> KrisWood: what program are you trying to use with 5.1?
[04:45] <KrisWood> I think she's using VLC
[04:46] <orangerd> hm..  this might be a real newb question, but is there any way i can "choose" which package provides some functionality (like using xinetd instead of inetd, which a whole bunch of packages seem to depend on)?
[04:46] <cafuego> danko123456: append: !<foo> is also <bar>
[04:46] <X7C> i'm having problems using kino on hoary.... and i can't find anything on google
[04:46] <cafuego> danko123456: overwrite: !no, <foo> is <bar>
[04:46] <X7C> has anyone come with "failed to load media" thigie?
[04:46] <X7C> *come across
[04:47] <crimsun> KrisWood: is vlc-alsa installed?
[04:47] <benplaut> orangerd: i went with the "try them all!" theory, but i think it messed up some stuff on my system...
[04:47] <KrisWood> crimsun, how do I check?
[04:47] <danko123456> cafuego: thanks. How is it protected from people overwriting it with irrelevant, or wrong stuff, or just put it this way, how is protected so I am not typing this whole thing out and it gets deleted by someone?
[04:47] <orangerd> benplaut: ahh..  i guess its just best to stick with what ubuntu provides as "base" then?
[04:47] <crimsun> KrisWood: dpkg -l vlc-alsa|grep ^ii
[04:48] <benplaut> KrisWood: go into synaptic, search for it, and see if there is a green dot beside it
[04:48] <benplaut> orangerd: that's a safe bet... and what ubuntuguide recommends
[04:49] <KrisWood> I'm having my wife check now
[04:49] <orangerd> benplaut: ahh..  im starting to miss gentoo a lot now :(
[04:49] <KrisWood> ok no vlc-alsa
[04:49] <KrisWood> so we do a sudo apt-get?
[04:50] <crimsun> KrisWood: yes
[04:50] <KrisWood> ok brb
[04:50] <ben> humbraro - thanks
[04:50] <humbraro> np, did you get it to work?
[04:51] <Mahl> everything works good as gold...now whats the best menu editor?
[04:51] <cafuego> danko123456: There is a 'lock' function, but you may or may not have much luck with that.
[04:52] <hayden> can i install kubuntu-desktop from the kubuntu disc if i have installed ubuntu?
[04:52] <cafuego> danko123456: The admin dcc doesn't work, so I can't modify privs for users without stopping and restarting the bot.
[04:52] <benplaut> hayden: yup, or from the repositories
[04:52] <hayden> benplaut, do u know how i would add the cd to the apt-sources?
[04:53] <Anubis> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[04:53] <IcemanV9> Mahl: smeg
[04:53] <benplaut> hayden: put it in your drive, and then type (in the terminal) "sudo apt-cdrom add"
[04:53] <hayden> ok thanks
[04:53] <benplaut> and then "sudo apt-get update"
[04:53] <Anubis> then read http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[04:54] <iceman> anyone tried breezy yet ... whats the issues in it
[04:54] <hayden> or not
[04:54] <Anubis> "kubunut" is that like kgentoo?
[04:54] <ben> humbraro - yes - dvds now playing!
[04:54] <Anubis> kmadrake?
[04:54] <ben> bit jurky - might try dma
[04:55] <Mahl> got a website for that iceman ?
[04:55] <Mahl> got a website for that icemanv9 ?
[04:55] <Anubis> kubuntu sounds more like a joke
[04:55] <Anubis> why it needed its own name, I'll NEVEr know
[04:55] <Anubis> seem to just confuse people even more
[04:55] <IcemanV9> Mahl: no, i don't
[04:55] <SysFail> It didn't confuse me
[04:55] <Yono> hey, does anyone have experience with battery meter problems?
[04:55] <iceman> umbuntu and just update and install the kumbuntu-desktop
[04:56] <nalioth> iceman: breezy may be 'here' today, and broken tomorrow
[04:56] <IcemanV9> Mahl: http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[04:56] <IcemanV9> Mahl: google is a great friend :P
[04:57] <benplaut> Anubis: good... i'm not alone  :)
[04:57] <nickrud> well, colony 1 to current breezy freezes :)
[04:57] <Mahl> thanks
[04:57] <IIIEars> iceman - Do you get a choice on boot after the upgrade to KDE?
[04:57] <K_Dallas> is there a small tool or something that would allow me monitor my upload/download transfer? thanks
[04:57] <ben> silly question,... vi doesn't work for me... is that the standard editor?
[04:57] <_Church_of_Foamy> whats a good email client?
[04:57] <K_Dallas> ben: use pico or nano
[04:57] <SysFail> K_Dallas, I use wmnet
[04:57] <K_Dallas> thanks SysFail
[04:58] <_Church_of_Foamy> i used to use mozilla thunderbird can you get it here?
[04:58] <nalioth> IIIEars: are you asking iceman personally, or r u wondering about choosing Wms in general?
[04:58] <ben> _Church_of_Foamy thunderbird
[04:58] <nalioth> ben: try nano
[04:58] <_Church_of_Foamy> cool
[04:58] <darkaudit> _Church_of_Foamy: I use kmail... best I've found for spam filtering only what really needs filtering
[04:58] <nalioth> _Church_of_Foamy: should be available already
[04:58] <SysFail> K_Dallas, gkrellm is fancier though
[04:58] <IIIEars> I would like to try KDE - the kubuntu CD install wasn't as smooth as Ubuntu
[04:59] <nalioth> IIIEars: when you install other window managers, you get the choice at the login screen (under sessions)
[04:59] <K_Dallas> i remembered wmnet but not seen gkrellm. i will give it a shot too, thanks
[04:59] <IIIEars> Great! :)
[04:59] <iceman> IIIEars you can get a session choice if u install kubuntu-desktop and choose gnome or kde ...
[04:59] <IIIEars> K_Dallas torsmo - is another good system monitor.
[05:00] <K_Dallas> excellent, now i have a few choices :) thank you
[05:01] <iceman> IIIEars aptitude install kubuntu-desktop and you get kde ...
[05:01] <_Church_of_Foamy> i think ubuntu is the most awsome os ever created ^_^
[05:01] <IIIEars> iceman - Ubuntu is spoiling me. - lol
[05:01] <_Church_of_Foamy> same lol
[05:01] <K_Dallas> Church, even though it is good to hear but try not to exagerate, they are all tools :)
[05:01] <iceman> ubuntu seems to have the larges group on freenode ...
[05:02] <hardcampa-> No
[05:02] <hardcampa-> Gentoo does
[05:02] <_Church_of_Foamy> tools?
[05:02] <K_Dallas> the support here is excellent, if i may say
[05:02] <K_Dallas> church: an OS is merely a tool, an essential one yet a tool
[05:02] <_Church_of_Foamy> i tryed gentoo i think it's for people with way too much time on there hands lol
[05:02] <IIIEars> iceman - must be something to Ubuntu - irc search #debian - 100 is the largest group i see.
[05:03] <iceman> hardcampa- i just have never fought the install of gentoo, has it gotten as easy as ubuntu
[05:03] <K_Dallas> gentoo is not supposed to be easy to install ;)
[05:03] <_Church_of_Foamy> brb
[05:03] <iceman> 475 people here
[05:03] <hardcampa-> iceman well gentoo isn't about being as friendly as it can
[05:03] <TMM> d*mn... copying all my simpsons episodes is taking rather a bit longer than I had hoped :) It's been copying my ~ for an hour now :P
[05:03] <hardcampa-> It's about having choices rather
[05:03] <spanglesontoast> gentoo falls apart in your hands
[05:04] <benplaut> it's kinda weird that Sunbird isn't in the repos... (?)
[05:04] <spanglesontoast> ahoy there tmm
[05:04] <IIIEars> TMM - Doh! Homer is slow
[05:04] <spanglesontoast> oh arrr
[05:04] <iceman> there are a lot of sub channels for ubuntu
[05:04] <nalioth> benplaut: build it from cvs
[05:04] <benplaut> iceman: i'm sure there are for gentoo, as well
[05:04] <Mahl> smeg really messed my gnome menuy u
[05:04] <Mahl> *menu up
[05:04] <iceman> hardcampa- wish gentoo would be a little more friendly
[05:05] <benplaut> nalioth: i know... i know... (i'm lazy :)
[05:05] <nalioth> benplaut: so find some1 else to do it
[05:05] <spanglesontoast> how do i edit gnome's custom menu
[05:05] <IIIEars> Gentoo? why? - If a challenge was good there is always BSD.
[05:05] <iceman> i think i'll stay with ubuntu ... works great ...
[05:05] <spanglesontoast> that comes with ubuntu?
[05:05] <nalioth> benplaut: but not me.... you'd get a PPC binary
[05:05] <hardcampa-> iceman well... you can't get everything to be easy when you want to make it as customizable as possible.
[05:06] <benplaut> nalioth: i just like bickering... i'm not looking for help :)  thanks anyway, though
[05:06] <benplaut> bickering is good for the soul!
[05:06] <IIIEars> benplaut - IT IS NOT! ;)
[05:07] <iceman> hardcampa- think you could customize ubuntu any way you like
[05:07] <_Church_of_Foamy> i've used windows all my life so when you compare ubuntu to windows ubuntu wins hands down
[05:07] <nalioth> IIIEars: Bickering IS SO!
[05:07] <IcemanV9> spanglesontoast: sudo apt-get install smeg - simple menu editor
[05:07] <spanglesontoast> yea I did
[05:07] <IIIEars> lol
[05:07] <caonex> hello, i am running ubuntu live cd warty and it did not setup my monitor properly so i cannot change the resolution from 640x, the smallest, i am at the xorgcfg program and about to select a monitor that can do 1280x1024 which i assume can do because is a 17inch dell, could i harm the monitor in any way by selecting the vertical refresh rate range from 50-70 ?
[05:07] <spanglesontoast> you cannot edit the custom menu
[05:07] <Mahl> IcemanV9, using smeg v 0.74....I thought deleting was supposed to be enabled in 0.70
[05:07] <nalioth> _Church_of_Foamy: the nastiest linux distro beats windoze
[05:07] <hardcampa-> iceman I think anyone "knowing" linux could customize any distro in a way they like it
[05:07] <Mahl> yet the delete box is greyed out
[05:07] <Mahl> howcome
[05:07] <_Church_of_Foamy> shure does
[05:07] <Methynutnut> caonex: probably not
[05:08] <IcemanV9> Mahl: *shrug* dunno - let me check ..
[05:08] <TMM> IIIEars: not only is he slow, he's also occupying a lot of my USB bandwidth :P
[05:08] <_Church_of_Foamy> i've been using this for a little over a month and i have never used linux till this distro
[05:08] <_Church_of_Foamy> i an't goin back ^_^
[05:08] <caonex> Methynutnut, hmm, this is not my computer and i do not want to take chances, what do you think?
[05:08] <danko123456> delete all files,..clearly.
[05:08] <_Church_of_Foamy> how to install skype?
[05:08] <nickrud> lol
[05:08] <spanglesontoast> so how can I edit the gnome custom menu
[05:09] <Methynutnut> A monitor of mine that was made in 1995 would auto-adjust itself if the refresh rate was too high... but my current 17" can only do up to 1024x768 @ 85, above that is all 60
[05:09] <iceman> I started with redhat 5.2 .. and sucessfuly installed and got kde to work ... so been a long time fan ... past year i have slowly moved to linux more and more
[05:09] <benplaut> spanglesontoast: not really all that possible... that's why so many people like KDE, it has more choices
[05:09] <IcemanV9> Mahl: mine is not greyed out. however, i found out that it's 0.5! hmm.
[05:09] <TMM> caonex: basically, if you don't have a multiysync monitor and/or it's not older than say 2-3 years, it is higly unlikely that you'll fry your monitor
[05:09] <_Church_of_Foamy> i tryed gentoo as my first distro coulden't get it to work though
[05:09] <nickrud> danko123456 I'm sorry, I'm kinda working here while watching, and deleting is my favorite activity
[05:09] <_Church_of_Foamy> to hard of an install
[05:10] <danko123456> nickrud: sorru for what?
[05:10] <caonex> TMM, hmm this is not that old 17 inch dell monitor
[05:10] <IIIEars> _Church_of_Foamy - Gnome is more customizable than windows (try to overlay a task bar with a pic.  If you can do it with a computer it can be done with linux and the app is likely free.
[05:10] <nickrud> diving ing
[05:10] <spanglesontoast> well there must be a way
[05:10] <nickrud> *in
[05:10] <spanglesontoast> someone created it
[05:10] <danko123456> cause you laughed at my joke?
[05:10] <_Church_of_Foamy> i know it rocks so hard core
[05:10] <spanglesontoast> so there must be a way to edit  it
[05:10] <nickrud> yeah, you do have some humor, some times :0
[05:10] <caonex> TMM, 50-70 is basically supported by all modern lcd monitors right?
[05:10] <caonex> TMM, i mean vertical range
[05:10] <_Church_of_Foamy> i have had not one problem running ubuntu/kubuntu sence install
[05:10] <Mahl> Oh well
[05:11] <TMM> caonex: it's highly unlikey that you'll fry it, no matter what you set the values to then... like I said 'unlikely' I don't want to be held responsible if in some freak accident and a lightning storm it does blow up :)
[05:11] <IcemanV9> spanglesontoast: more info - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo
[05:11] <danko123456> nickrud: :) get off the dope...jj, give me a link to your wiki page.
[05:11] <TMM> caonex: if it's lcd, you can't fry it at all by putting in to low or high values
[05:11] <_Church_of_Foamy> crt though be carefull you can pop the tube
[05:11] <TMM> caonex: then it just won't work if you give it the wrong timings
[05:12] <spanglesontoast> ah
[05:12] <spanglesontoast> I only have smeg 0.6
[05:12] <nickrud> danko123456 if I knew what to commit to, I'd commit a wiki
[05:12] <TMM> caonex: on the CRT monitors the timing also affects part of the high voltage part of the montors, and thus, you could fry it. LCD's don't have such units at all
[05:12] <nickrud> lol
[05:12] <danko123456> nickrud: what? I want your sources.list wiki page.
[05:13] <_Church_of_Foamy> i like linux so much i'm going to school in the fall to learn how to program it ^_^
[05:13] <danko123456> hi ubotu
[05:13] <danko123456> ubotu: hi.
[05:13] <ubotu> hello, danko123456
[05:13] <IcemanV9> surprised that smeg 0.5 didn't get upgraded to 0.7x. hm.
[05:13] <danko123456> ubotu: whachu been up to?
[05:13] <ubotu> danko123456: No idea
[05:13] <_Church_of_Foamy> i had the idea that it may be worthwhile to learn linux
[05:13] <cafuego> ubotu: you suck
[05:13] <danko123456> ubotu: what is dsl?
[05:13] <ubotu> Dream on, cafuego.  These lips will never touch your flesh.
[05:13] <ubotu> danko123456: I think you lost me on that one
[05:14] <iceman> only other operating system im impressed by is  www.menuetos.org ..... alll assembly ... still in beta though
[05:14] <caonex> TMM, in other words, you could nto fry an lcd?
[05:14] <nalioth> danko123456: want my sources.list? got about 14 deb-src links (ppc user, right?)
[05:14] <_Church_of_Foamy> theres lots of windows techs out there but not many linux ones
[05:14] <nalioth> danko123456: damn small linux? digital subscriber line?
[05:14] <TMM> caonex: no, not with video timings anyway... setiting fire to it would probably work
[05:14] <Sero> Can anyone just tell me what they'd type to install mplayer?
[05:14] <X7C> :(:( i can't make kino work :(
[05:14] <danko123456> no, I want just a link to his wiki page, is all, I think he gave me a link to it sometimes, so I can give it out sometimes.
[05:15] <X7C> has anyone had problems with kino?
[05:15] <lleberg> Sero: sudo apt-get install mplayer
[05:15] <_Church_of_Foamy> sudo apt-get install mplayer?
[05:15] <danko123456> Sero: it would involve some clicking on my part, personally, I wouldnt just type.
[05:15] <IIIEars> nalioth teach ubotu about ppc sources?
[05:15] <_Church_of_Foamy> lol
[05:15] <X7C> anytime i want to load a video file it says "media file failed to load"
[05:15] <lleberg> (i must say i prefer the vlc)
[05:15] <danko123456> lleberg: obviously have not done this yourself.
[05:15] <TMM> Sero: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[05:15] <nickrud> danko123456 there's a ubuntu wiki for that, and I can't get to ti quickly
[05:15] <nalioth> IIIEars: what? who? ya'll havent sent 'im my way already?
[05:15] <IcemanV9> mplayer == broken packages :(
[05:16] <_Church_of_Foamy> has anyone here gone to school for linux here?
[05:16] <lleberg> danko123456: I have, but i can't say i remeber that much of it :P
[05:16] <danko123456> nickrud: you remember your nicely concise sources.list? is it on a wiki at all?
[05:16] <TMM> _Church_of_Foamy: no, but I give courses on linux :)
[05:16] <_Church_of_Foamy> did they teach you anything usefull or just crap?
[05:16] <turf> hi guys where could i get packages for ubuntu i mena like rpm repository?
[05:16] <_Church_of_Foamy> ohhh online or not?
[05:16] <danko123456> lleberg: yu have to specify the arch. sudo aptitude install mplayer-$(uname -r)
[05:16] <nickrud> danko123456 it's there, but I'm deferring to a 'offical' link,
[05:16] <TMM> lleberg: obviously, you didn't get tought by me :P
[05:17] <Sero> E: Couldn't find package mplayer
[05:17] <_Church_of_Foamy> TMM: online or not?
[05:17] <danko123456> no, that wont work, the above.
[05:17] <lleberg> TMM: I think i used the ubuntuguide :P
[05:17] <TMM> Sero: check out : http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[05:17] <Sero> That's what I get when I try to install anything.
[05:17] <nickrud> 'cause I saw in someones todo list 'streaminine sources.list'
[05:17] <TMM> _Church_of_Foamy: I give offline courses, to actual people, in the same room as me :)
[05:17] <nickrud> *streamline :)
[05:17] <_Church_of_Foamy> damnit
[05:17] <nalioth> TMM to meat users, eh?
[05:17] <danko123456> ha. streamline...k, thats all I had to say about that.
[05:18] <TMM> nalioth: yep, I teach warm meat to use linux
[05:18] <TMM> nalioth: well, damp usually :P
[05:18] <danko123456> thanks, nalioth. tho.
[05:18] <_Church_of_Foamy> i am gonna got to northern michigan technical university in the fall for classes
[05:18] <lleberg> Sero: The ubuntuguide is teh ultimate-allstar-nova-champion goldmine in the beginning :)
[05:18] <TMM> _Church_of_Foamy: not only to real people, I bill by the hour too :P
[05:18] <_Church_of_Foamy> awsome
[05:18] <Sero> lleberg, ok I just typed in the first line of what the guide said and got the exact same thing.
[05:18] <_Church_of_Foamy> i sold my first computer with ubuntu to a customer today
[05:19] <CPayan> that's cool
[05:19] <CPayan> how much?
[05:19] <Sero> lleberg, it's not letting me install ANY programs only K3b and it made me put in the Ubuntu CD to install it.
[05:19] <nickrud> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ExampleConffiles, danko123456
[05:19] <_Church_of_Foamy> well the ubuntu was free but the computer was $75
[05:19] <TMM> hahahahahahahahaha, I got a spam message that scored 21 on my spamassissin rules... lol
[05:19] <nalioth> ubotu curious about source repos?
[05:19] <ubotu> nalioth: Are you smoking crack?
[05:19] <lleberg> samiam: And what is that?
[05:19] <_Church_of_Foamy> i got it for free so i don't charge for it
[05:20] <CPayan> nice of you
[05:20] <IIIEars> TMM - 21 score - impressive.
[05:20] <CPayan> i woulda made them pay for labor
[05:20] <lleberg> Sero: umpf
[05:20] <CPayan> at least
[05:20] <Sero> Can anyone help me solce this mystery of not being able to install any programs on comp?
[05:20] <_Church_of_Foamy> naw i get my systems from the local schools for free
[05:20] <iceman>  i wish there was a game like diablo II for linux
[05:20] <Sero> lleberg, umpf?
[05:20] <nalioth> ubotu: wtf? crack?
[05:20] <ubotu> I don't know, nalioth
[05:20] <lleberg> Sero: Just some strange thing ot say instead of nonsense ;)
[05:21] <IIIEars> Sero - We need more specific info - give us what you can.
[05:21] <_Church_of_Foamy> so i fixem up put a little mem in them and sell them from $50-$75 dollars a peace
[05:21] <lleberg> Sero: What does it say?
[05:21] <CPayan> ohhh the computers
[05:21] <_Church_of_Foamy> to low income familys
[05:21] <CPayan> my bad
[05:21] <CPayan> hmm
[05:21] <_Church_of_Foamy> who can't afford a $400 dell
[05:21] <CPayan> yea
[05:21] <Sero> IIIEars, when I type apt-get install [program]  it says "E: Couldn't find package [package name] 
[05:21] <CPayan> but can afford a 75 dollar... thing
[05:22] <IIIEars> _Church_of_God_ check outpost.com this weeks special 2.8 HP $299
[05:22] <lleberg> Sero: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories ?
[05:22] <iceman> Sero update your source list
[05:22] <Sero> IIIEars, when I type apt-get isntall k3b though... it becomes Neo and tells me "Put in the CD" and installs it.
[05:22] <danko123456> sero, IIIEars, its not a big mistery, if apt-get is giving errors, it is an issue with the sources.list file.
[05:22] <_Church_of_Foamy> now with ubuntu i don't have to generate keys for xp
[05:22] <_Church_of_Foamy> so the boxes are ligeit ^_^
[05:22] <danko123456> Sero: kubuntu install cd?
[05:22] <TMM> IIIEars: yeah, I thought so :)
[05:22] <Sero> danko123456, yes
[05:22] <danko123456> yeah, that makes sense.
[05:22] <danko123456> using kde right now?
[05:23] <CPayan> heh
[05:23] <Sero> danko123456, me using kde?
[05:23] <danko123456> ya] 
[05:23] <benplaut> _Church_of_Foamy: are you using the backported update to Acrobat Reader?
[05:23] <Unintentional> Hey, does anyone know how to get the screen resolution above 1024x768?
[05:23] <Sero> No
[05:23] <TMM> IIIEars: I configured my server so that it forwards all spam >15 to my inbox (with a big fat 'EXEPTIONAL SPAM') for fun and giggles, this one was grand :)
[05:23] <Sero> danko123456, hehe gnome.
[05:23] <IIIEars> Sero - IS "Universe Communitty Supported" in the synaptic list? - it has to be a source list
[05:23] <lleberg> Sero: All the apt-get packages have to come from somewhere besides the cd, they wouldn't fit, so it downloads them. and the sources.list says where from :P
[05:23] <TMM> IIIEars: a pricelist of pretty much ALL the drugs listed in spamassassin, plus a link to a 'bikini' website... awesome... I wonder if more than 1% of the people actually got this :P
[05:24] <lleberg> Or.. whatever! ;)
[05:24] <_Church_of_Foamy> i don't get spam
[05:24] <Sero> Yeah someone just sent me THEIR sources.list though and it still does it.
[05:24] <Razor-X> TMM: send me it ;)
[05:24] <_Church_of_Foamy> i created 2 e-mail accounts 1 for junk 1 for me
[05:24] <IIIEars> uTMM - ROFLMAO
[05:24] <iceman> sero here is my sources.list file
[05:24] <spanglesontoast> can spamassassin run on incoming pop3 mail?
[05:24] <danko123456> Sero: terminal>sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list>change it to what this page shows: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ExampleConffiles >save > close> sudo aptitude update > install anything with sudo aptitude install packageName
[05:25] <danko123456> iceman, please spare us the flood:)
[05:25] <nalioth> spanglesontoast: spamassasin eats spam ANYWHERE
[05:25] <iceman> i'm file xfering it to him if he accepts
[05:25] <benplaut> _Church_of_Foamy: one for me, one for spam, and one for storage ;)
[05:25] <danko123456> iceman, nice:)
[05:25] <danko123456> iceman, how you doing, hows your computers?
[05:25] <Sero> iceman, I don't see any acccept thing.
[05:26] <_Church_of_Foamy> nice
[05:26] <nickrud> danko123456 yeah, that's the one :)
[05:26] <Mahl> Im browsing the screenshot section on the ubuntu website
[05:26] <danko123456> Sero: follow the what I said.
[05:26] <_Church_of_Foamy> diden't think of the storage one lol
[05:26] <_Church_of_Foamy> >.<
[05:26] <spanglesontoast> so I could use it for thunderbird?
[05:26] <Mahl> and I was wondering...some of the screens shows users running a Mac OS kinda Dockbar
[05:26] <Mahl> whats it called?
[05:26] <Mahl> where can I get it?
[05:26] <iceman> danko123456 both up and running .. put wife on  ubuntu
[05:26] <lleberg> danko123456: What does the aptitude command do? the manual doesn't sort it all out :P
[05:26] <nalioth> spanglesontoast: doesnt tbird already have bayesian spam filtering?
[05:26] <nalioth> spanglesontoast: yes you can
[05:26] <spanglesontoast> yea it's rubbish
[05:26] <spanglesontoast> so how would I set it up?
[05:27] <danko123456> lleberg: it is same as apt-get with added features, a wrapper around apt-get a user interface for apt-get.
[05:27] <nalioth> spanglesontoast: rubbish? it works fine for me. just took some time to train
[05:27] <lleberg> danko123456: Oh, thanks for sharing :)
[05:27] <TMM> copying simpsons season 14... damn...
[05:27] <TMM> this'll take some time yet
[05:27] <TMM> and, it's already 5:30 am
[05:27] <TMM> perhaps I should go to bed :P
[05:28] <IIIEars> TMM - lol - "" compress it and forward it. - Can a spam with that rating be anything but keywords?
[05:28] <spanglesontoast> no
[05:28] <danko123456> lleberg: welcome, just passing it on...
[05:28] <TMM> but, I won't feel complete untill I've ruined my laptop probably :)
[05:28] <spanglesontoast> I mean't thunderbird
[05:28] <IIIEars> iiiears@aol.com
[05:28] <iratsu> how well does libflash-mozplugin play flash movies?
[05:29] <spanglesontoast> is there a gui for spamassasin
[05:29] <danko123456> iratsu: streaming video, it does not.
[05:29] <danko123456> iratsu: well, afaik...
[05:29] <iratsu> danko123456: what does it do?
[05:29] <danko123456> never heard of it.
[05:30] <danko123456> flashplayer-mozilla is the flash plugin(free) mozilla-mplayer plays streaming video. AFAIK.
[05:30] <danko123456> !dsl
[05:31] <Sero> danko123456, sudo: aptitude: Command not found
[05:31] <iceman> sudo aptitude install
[05:32] <danko123456> sero, read my post again.
[05:32] <Sero> iceman, there we go typed it in wrong. sorry.
[05:32] <danko123456> or, I mean, I could not imagine that aptitude is not installed, is that possible?
[05:33] <JDahl> danko123456, not aptitude is essential package, so if it's not there someone went through alot of trouble to wreck the system
[05:33] <nickrud> danko123456 I had to install it first thing for any debian install
[05:33] <JDahl> s/not/no,
[05:33] <Sero> YAY it worked!! I WIN!!
[05:33] <paulproteus> Sero: Yay, congrats. :)
[05:34] <spanglesontoast> got dc
[05:34] <iratsu> does anyone know to what extent libflash-mozplugin works?
[05:34] <spanglesontoast> so does spamassasin have a frontend to download?
[05:34] <spanglesontoast> well it works fine iratsu
[05:35] <turf> is it ok to install a deb package in ubuntu ryt, bsides ubuntu is base from debian?
[05:35] <iratsu> spanglesontoast: are there somethimes things it can't play?
[05:35] <danko123456> he wins!
[05:35] <danko123456> !win
[05:35] <ubotu> well, win is lose.
[05:35] <danko123456> see?
[05:35] <Xenguy> winners and losers - lalalalala
[05:35] <nickrud> the game is all
[05:35] <danko123456> youre spanish...jajajaja...
[05:35] <lleberg> Are you using the different work-spaces in ubuntu?
[05:36] <danko123456> sometimes, yeah, its there...
[05:36] <nalioth> turf, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt
[05:36] <Unintentional> Hey, I just upgraded my monitor, but I can't get the screen to increase to 1280x1024 resolution.  I've added the resolution to the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, and restarted, but the resolution still doesn't appear in the System
[05:36] <spanglesontoast> no it works mate
[05:36] <nalioth> turf: not recommended, tho
[05:36] <danko123456> turf: yeah, its ok, but, sometimes you can be missing the dependencies...
[05:36] <spanglesontoast> the only thing you cannot use is shockwave
[05:36] <Unintentional> ->Preferences->Screen Resolution screen
[05:36] <spanglesontoast> but that's macromedia's idea of boredom
[05:36] <danko123456> turf: off course, if you can find the same package in teh repos, then always use that one.
[05:37] <turf> ic,ok i'll just try it then
[05:37] <thechitowncubs> I need help creating a script to convert my wma songs to mp3. Right now i have to execute two commands... one to rip to wav then use lame to convert to mp3. Can someone with scripting experience help me convert all my files except doing each individually?
[05:37] <turf> danko123456, whats the exact site again?
[05:37] <Xenguy> thechitowncubs: sounds like a 'loop' would be useful
[05:38] <lleberg> I must say it is preety stupid to think i only want to move the playlist in xmms to another workspace
[05:38] <cartel_> is there an evolution irc channel?
[05:38] <thechitowncubs> I bet it would if I new what loop meant :P
[05:38] <lleberg> instead of moving all the xmms-windows
[05:38] <thechitowncubs> cartel
[05:38] <thechitowncubs> irc.gimp.net
[05:38] <thechitowncubs> #evolution
[05:38] <iratsu> spanglesontoast: what's the difference between libflash-mozplugin and flashplayer-mozilla then?
[05:38] <Xenguy> thechitowncubs: what are the two commands then?
[05:38] <spanglesontoast> ones a plugin
[05:39] <spanglesontoast> and the other is a flashplayer
[05:39] <evader> Hi. What's the story with Ubuntu's root password? I installed from a Warty disk, and updated to Hoary- I never got asked to set root password... What can I do about this?
[05:39] <lleberg> I want the flashplayer to :(
[05:39] <spanglesontoast> you don't have a root password evader
[05:39] <thechitowncubs> mplayer *.wma -ao pcm -aofile *.wav
[05:39] <cafuego> evader: You don't need one; use sudo.
[05:39] <spanglesontoast> type sudo then your command
[05:39] <thechitowncubs> lame -f outfile.wav mp3outfile.mp3
[05:39] <iratsu> spanglesontoast: what's a flashplayer?
[05:39] <evader> I have been using sudo.
[05:39] <spanglesontoast> it should ask for the user password to confirm
[05:39] <evader> Yeah it does.
[05:39] <iratsu> spanglesontoast: how's it different from a plugin?
[05:39] <spanglesontoast> google it iratsu
[05:39] <evader> But i want to set the root password...
[05:40] <evader> So i can become root and set the box up better.
[05:40] <cafuego> evader: But why? You don't _need_ it.
[05:40] <benplaut> darn! gnome is dying a slow death on my computer... now gnome-baker is gone!
[05:40] <spanglesontoast> you don't need it
[05:40] <cafuego> evader: You can do everything through sudo.
[05:40] <spanglesontoast> evader trust me you aren't the first to say that
[05:40] <spanglesontoast> I did when I first came
[05:40] <IIIEars> ATI SLI "Cross Fire" http://www.techspot.com/story17730.html
[05:41] <Micksa> okay, I want to install hoary on this new laptop
[05:41] <Micksa> but for some reason graphics don't work
[05:41] <Micksa> oh hang on, maybe it'll have started working since I updated the BIOS
[05:41] <Micksa> but, if it doesn't, now do I do the installation in text mode?
[05:42] <evader> cafuego: I understand sudo can do quite a bit. But I can't have full control of my box without a root password.
[05:42] <evader> spanglesontoast: It's quite odd.
[05:42] <lleberg> evader: can you log in to a root terminal?
[05:42] <Unintentional> Anyone know their way around X11 resolution?
[05:42] <thechitowncubs> Xenguy: any ideas?
[05:43] <evader> IIIEars: ahh.. root terminal then passwd?
[05:43] <evader> oops lleberg ^
[05:43] <Micksa> Unintentional: just ask :)
[05:43] <nickrud> Unintentional grep Defaults /var/log/Xorg.0.log will tell you what X says it knows about, it's a start
[05:43] <lleberg> evader: applications, system tools, root terminal
[05:43] <Sero> I can't get my sound to work... alsaconf isn't working when I try to install alsa is says already newest version.
[05:43] <nalioth> evader sudo su
[05:43] <lleberg> or whatever it might be
[05:43] <crimsun> Sero: that's because there is no alsaconf in alsa-utils
[05:44] <crimsun> Sero: what sound card do you have?
[05:44] <IIIEars> evader - to set a root passwd? - yes "sudo passwd root" later lock it with "sudo passwd root -l"
[05:44] <Unintentional> thanks.
[05:44] <mkerby> Hi, everyone.
[05:44] <_Simon_> ok so I did an apt-get on automake and somehow I have both automake 1.4 and 1.9, I need 1.9, why didn't apt-get just upgrade it?
[05:44] <nalioth> IIIEars: we run 'im off, bud
[05:45] <nickrud> Unintentional only say thanks if it helps :)
[05:45] <_Simon_> when I do automake --version I get 1.4, not 1.9
[05:45] <_Simon_> so how do I fix this?
[05:45] <IIIEars> sudo su is suggested - and a MUCH better idea.
[05:45] <nalioth> _Simon_: some things require 1.4?
[05:45] <benplaut> _Simon_: different filenames, i suppose... or one might depend on the other
[05:45] <Sero> crimsun, Creative Labs SB Live 7.1
[05:45] <_Simon_> I don't think 1.4 depends on 1.9 etc
[05:45] <IIIEars> unalioth http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=326137&hl=
[05:45] <_Simon_> I need to compile something that needs a newer automake
[05:45] <_Simon_> but automake in the path is 1.4
[05:45] <nalioth> _Simon_: so remove it
[05:46] <nalioth> _Simon_: synaptic is good for that
[05:46] <spanglesontoast> so impressed by enemy territory
[05:46] <crimsun> Sero: you need the snd_ca0106 driver
[05:46] <_Simon_> does synaptic have a console mode?
[05:46] <mkerby> Hubby and I are thinking of switching our internet to SBC-Yahoo DSL. Has anyone tried them? Will it work with Ubuntu?
[05:46] <nalioth> _Simon_: yes "apt-get"
[05:46] <crimsun> Sero: it's not available in the default hoary install, but you can compile alsa-source from universe
[05:47] <Sero> crimsun, from Universe?
[05:47] <_Simon_> remove seems to have done the trick, thanks :)
[05:47] <crimsun> Sero: yes
[05:49] <Unintentional> I just upgraded my monitor, and I'm having some difficulty getting my screen resolution set to 1280x1024.
[05:49] <Varanger> crimmy: are you here?
[05:49] <crimsun> Varanger: yes and no.
[05:49] <Varanger> hi crimsun!
[05:50] <Varanger> I still have probles with my sound card :(
[05:50] <Sero> crimsun, I do not know what universe it.... and google was stressing the literal definition of it... or not telling me when I added Ubuntu in the search.
[05:50] <mkerby> Has anyone here tried SBC-Yahoo or similar?
[05:51] <liz4rd> i have a SB 16 sound card but i cant get it to work...any help
[05:51] <liz4rd> i think i got to use OSS
[05:51] <nalioth> who has the link to the webpage with the sources.list on it for sero?
[05:51] <IcemanV9> mkerby: what about it?
[05:51] <crimsun> Sero: wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackages
[05:51] <SysFail> anybody got anything that will act as a gmail notify app????
[05:52] <spanglesontoast> what are mud games?
[05:52] <liz4rd> nerd games
[05:52] <crimsun> Varanger: what sort?
[05:52] <mkerby> IcemanV9, my husband and I are thinking of getting it, and I want it to play nice with Ubuntu.
[05:52] <Varanger> crimsun: I have an ICH6 Intel HD Audio
[05:52] <crimsun> liz4rd: did you try snd_sb16 last night?
[05:52] <dampjam> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ has a corrupt i386 install, somebody please verify, both the http download, and the torrent
[05:52] <nalioth> spanglesontoast: Multiple User Domains
[05:52] <dampjam> bsdutils will not install
[05:52] <spanglesontoast> are they like describing what's there?
[05:52] <liz4rd> crimsun: yes but i update my kernel :P
[05:52] <dampjam> I just downloaded 5.04 from carroll.cac.psu.edu and it worked fine
[05:52] <crimsun> mkerby: via dsl router?
[05:52] <IcemanV9> mkerby: ha. it works nicely.
[05:53] <Varanger> crimsun: I could make the soundcard work, but audio is awful !!
[05:53] <mkerby> crimsun, yes, a two-wire one.
[05:53] <nalioth> spanglesontoast: dungeons and dragons
[05:53] <liz4rd> crimsun: what do i have to do agian?
[05:53] <dampjam> varanger: yes, audio is completely overrated
[05:53] <mkerby> IcemanV9, glad to hear it!
[05:53] <IcemanV9> mkerby: at first, i tested it with pppoeconf - no problem. then, i use the router.
[05:53] <mkerby> Thanks!
[05:53] <crimsun> Varanger: are you using alsa-lib 1.0.9 and -utils 1.0.9 in addition to -driver 1.0.9?
[05:53] <IcemanV9> mkerby: it just works. :)
[05:53] <spanglesontoast> bah?
[05:54] <mkerby> IcemanV9, so I could just hook it up and go online? Would I have to do anything else?
[05:54] <crimsun> liz4rd: you modprobe snd_sb16
[05:54] <liz4rd> sudo that
[05:54] <liz4rd> ?
[05:54] <Varanger> crimsun: I have built ALSA 1.0.9 from sources (not used 1.0.8 from Universe) and I still have the same problem
[05:54] <IcemanV9> mkerby: very easy, really. you'll receive the dsl-modem from them. part of the package.
[05:54] <crimsun> Varanger: driver, lib, and utils?
[05:54] <nalioth> spanglesontoast: MUDs are virtual worlds
[05:55] <nalioth> spanglesontoast: dungeons and dragons, WW2, etc
[05:55] <spanglesontoast> ah
[05:55] <Varanger> crimsun: yes.... and also OSS
[05:55] <mkerby> IcemanV9, thanks!
[05:55] <IcemanV9> mkerby: i don't expect any problem for you to set it up.
[05:55] <spanglesontoast> what are the games that you are in a room
[05:55] <spanglesontoast> and you only control it by text
[05:55] <crimsun> Varanger: what are your master and pcm levels set at?
[05:55] <mkerby> I really want to get this. It would be cheaper and faster than what we're using.
[05:55] <spanglesontoast> like open door
[05:56] <Varanger> crimsun: how do I check that ? with a mixer?
[05:56] <spanglesontoast> north
[05:56] <spanglesontoast> etc
[05:56] <IcemanV9> mkerby: if you use ubuntu, then you can do anything :)
[05:56] <mkerby> IcemanV9, hubby would set it up.  He likes doing that sort of thing :)
[05:56] <dampjam> Who can I contact about http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ being corrupt?
[05:56] <crimsun> Varanger: yes
[05:56] <spanglesontoast> well at least you got somewhere mkerby
[05:57] <IcemanV9> mkerby: in case of problem, look me up. i'll be happy to help ya
[05:57] <Varanger> crimsun: they are at the highest but I get more audio in XP
[05:57] <Varanger> crimsun: with medium level, I still have the same problem
[05:58] <mkerby> IcemanV9, I'm really starting to believe that. I like to change window managers frequently. I 've tried other distros, but one wm or the other doesn't work well. Ubuntu is the first one I've seen where I can get both Gnome and KDE really well.
[05:58] <crimsun> Varanger: what about a cvs snap of alsa-driver?
[05:58] <IcemanV9> how to run python script??
[05:58] <mkerby> IcemanV9, thanks so much! I'll let you know how it works out.
[05:58] <SysFail> mkerby: you can run windowmaker with kde kicker etc
[05:59] <SysFail> it works fine
[05:59] <Varanger> crimsun: just cvs alsa-driver? or oss, libs and utils too?
[05:59] <SysFail> have the best of both worlds etc
[05:59] <crimsun> Varanger: -driver
[05:59] <sri> hi guys
[05:59] <sri> I'm having some trouble watching a dvd on hoary
[05:59] <IIIEars> !ubotu kubuntu-desktop
[05:59] <ubotu> IIIEars: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[05:59] <mkerby> SysFail, I've done that. This is the first distro I've tried where everything just works.
[06:00] <sri> it's something system related, because both totem and mplayer do not work.
[06:00] <psychonate> Is there a GUI to set up sound?
[06:00] <sri> in totem, it reads it and then at the bottom where it usually puts the title, it just starts putting random numbers there.
[06:00] <Varanger> crimsun: there is a 1.0.9a driver! I tried with 1.0.9 !!! I think I should try with 1.0.9a first
[06:00] <jasmuz> Greets
[06:00] <IcemanV9> never mind - get python script running
[06:00] <sri> when I do in mplayer I get something more interesting.
[06:01] <sri> MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_audio
[06:01] <sri> - MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM.
[06:01] <sri> some kind of sound problem.
[06:01] <nalioth> IIIEars: !what !is !up !with !this?
[06:01] <IIIEars> *shrug* !dunno
[06:01] <LiberalTugboat> I think its time to play city of heros
[06:01] <niran> sri, have you tried a different DVD?
[06:01] <jasmuz> Does anyone in the room knows how to install and run properly Cedega and Crossover office?
[06:02] <sri> niran: I haven't..but I suppose I can
[06:02] <sri> niran: it mounts it fine, I see a dvd icon
[06:02] <LiberalTugboat> Running Cedega RIGHT NOW!!
[06:02] <SysFail> untar cedega into /
[06:02] <SysFail> as root
[06:02] <imaek> Does anybody know where the MPlayer config file is?
[06:02] <LiberalTugboat> SysFail, there are deb files for cedega
[06:02] <SysFail> then cedega setup.exe or whatever
[06:02] <geetergod> Does anyone know how to take a screenshot in Fluxbox?
[06:02] <SysFail> I never saw the debs ...
[06:02] <SysFail> but ok
[06:02] <thr1ce> import -window root /path/to/file.png
[06:02] <LiberalTugboat> did you pay for it?
[06:02] <LiberalTugboat> or steal it?
[06:03] <SysFail> course I paid for it man
[06:03] <_Church_of_Foamy> anyone know how to install skype?
[06:03] <LiberalTugboat> on the Dl page there is Debs for both Point2Play and cedega
[06:03] <geetergod> prolly sudo apt-get install skype
[06:03] <cartel_> dpkg -i skypeblah.deb
[06:03] <jasmuz> lol, i got mine from my lug
[06:03] <_Church_of_Foamy> thanx
[06:03] <sri> _Church_of_Foamy: just go to www.skype.com and get the deb
[06:04] <IIIEars> Sysfail - erm how do you stop the subscription? - is it easy to do? have you done it?
[06:04] <geetergod> anyone know how to take a screenshot with fluxbox
[06:04] <geetergod> ?
[06:04] <Varanger> crimsun: are you here?
[06:04] <thr1ce> geetergod, i just told you
[06:04] <crimsun> Varanger: yes
[06:04] <SysFail> never tried to stop it
[06:04] <geetergod> oh i didnt know you were talking to me, sorry :)
[06:04] <IIIEars> << - used a visa card once online for paypal setup period...
[06:04] <Varanger> crimsun: If I build alsa-driver again, should I do the same with alsa-utils, alsa-oss and alsa-libs?
[06:05] <crimsun> Varanger: no need for the others to be rebuilt
[06:05] <geetergod> import -window root /path/to/file.png?
[06:06] <_Church_of_Foamy> i have it just forgot how to install lol
[06:07] <sevets> hey
[06:07] <sevets> Is there an ftp client inlcuded with Ubuntu?
[06:07] <nalioth> sevets: yes, "ftp"
[06:07] <NicP> sevets, apt-get gftp
[06:07] <jasmuz> sevets: gftp
[06:08] <magog> or use synaptic
[06:08] <sevets> lol
[06:08] <magog> i use gftp as well
[06:08] <sevets> Thanks
[06:08] <lleberg> or use firefox ;)
[06:08] <sevets> firefox had an error or something
[06:08] <lleberg> oh
[06:08] <sevets> I enjoy a standalone client
[06:08] <nalioth> sevets: use gftp
[06:08] <^thehatsrule^> or use ftp ip.here
[06:08] <^thehatsrule^> :)
[06:09] <lleberg> Is there any direct connect client in ubuntu?
[06:09] <tiglionabbit> say, a friend of mine is having some problems with dual booting
[06:09] <niran> lleberg, dcgui
[06:09] <lleberg> niran: is it included?
[06:10] <sri> niran: you're right it looks like somethign to do with the dvd
[06:10] <niran> lleberg, universe probably
[06:10] <psychonate> I assume there is no GUI to configure sound. Can I just modprobe the correct module once I find it?
[06:10] <lleberg> is there any command to beep the pc speaker? :P
[06:11] <sri> anybody know why no sound on a dvd but a music file plays fine in hoary using totem?
[06:11] <spanglesontoast> where can I find a listing of mud servers?
[06:11] <psychonate> sri, it's in the docs
[06:11] <jasmuz> sri: playing DVD's are a stroke of luck
[06:11] <psychonate> well, they shouldn't be
[06:11] <turf> where can i find packages for ubuntu?
[06:12] <psychonate> but distros are overly concerned with libdvdcss and other crap
[06:12] <sri> jasmuz: so it seems!
[06:12] <psychonate> IMO
[06:12] <iceman> anyone know any good linux games ... simular to diablo II
[06:12] <jasmuz> sri: everything else is dandy
[06:12] <sri> psychonate: I suspect you mean that the audio from the cd has not been turne dup
[06:12] <psychonate> iceman, diablo II plays under cedega btw
[06:12] <psychonate> sri, no
[06:12] <clunix> Never Winter Nigths Works fine
[06:12] <psychonate> that's is not what I mean
[06:12] <clunix> NWN dont need cedega
[06:13] <iceman> psychonate what cedega ?
[06:13] <J35U5> is there a quicktime plugin for firefox?
[06:13] <liz4rd> yes
[06:13] <magog> tomarrow i get postal 2 linux in the mail :)
[06:13] <crimsun> liz4rd: yes, prefix sudo
[06:13] <J35U5> can i get it with synaptic
[06:13] <liz4rd> crimsun: alright it works, thanks
[06:14] <crimsun> liz4rd: np
[06:14] <nalioth> turf: use synaptic
[06:14] <psychonate> iceman, it allows you to play certain windows games
[06:14] <niran> sri, does the DVD play in a stand alone DVD player? scratches? dirt?
[06:14] <psychonate> iceman, it is, however, commercial; it costs money
[06:14] <jasmuz> magog: what do you mean?
[06:15] <sri> niran: no, this is a practically new dvd, not a scratch on it.  I must have played it only twice total
[06:15] <iceman>  psychonate looking on there site now ...
[06:15] <magog> http://www.gopostal.com/store/postal2stp_Linux.php
[06:15] <niran> sri, hmm... that's unfortunate
[06:15] <iceman> psychonate Wonder if wine will work
[06:16] <geetergod> any decent texas holdem games to download? :)
[06:16] <sri> niran: it all worked before on hoary, so something is up.
[06:16] <dr_willis> geetergod,  egads -- i am sick of all the texas holdem 'things' in the stores. :P
[06:16] <niran> sri, oh, did you upgrade to breezy?
[06:16] <geetergod> lol yah, tv kinda made it popular
[06:17] <IIIEars> geetergod - pokerroom.com is a good site. you will need the jre installed
[06:17] <dr_willis> now they have 'poker clubs' in schools.... isent that nice. :P
[06:17] <TMM> what's a "texas holdem" exactly? :)
[06:17] <jasmuz> magog:  i dont know that game...
[06:17] <TMM> never heard of it, is that weird?
[06:17] <dr_willis> TMM you in the usa?
[06:17] <magog> jasmuz, check it out, its great stuff
[06:17] <liz4rd> OMG COW TIPPING IS MY FAV GAME!!!
[06:17] <liz4rd> :P
[06:17] <TMM> dr_willis: no, .nl
[06:17] <jasmuz> magog: seems so
[06:17] <geetergod> its a poker game  TMM
[06:17] <jason_> is there an intelligent layout to the KDE menus like there is in gnome?
[06:17] <IIIEars> A good way to pay for cable and computer upgrades ;) - an "ear" is a card bent at the corner.
[06:18] <psychonate> iceman, I believe it does, but you need to use some workarounds
[06:18] <psychonate> iceman, I will link you in a moment
[06:18] <geetergod> Fluxbox is so kool
[06:18] <psychonate> who was the fellow with the sound-DVD issue?
[06:18] <psychonate> geetergod, try XFCE too
[06:18] <tiglionabbit> hey guys, could someone help out a friend of mine with grub?  He's got windows XP on a small master hard disk, and ubuntu at the end of a very large one.  His bios is pretty old.  Grub gives 'stage 1.5 error 17' when he tries to boot it.  What should we do?
[06:18] <geetergod> i got a cool wallpaper, made everything transparent
[06:18] <jason_> i found the menu layout to be quite good in gnome but many packages were missing while in KDE there were a lot more menu items but seemingly were placed there randomly
[06:18] <magog> jasmuz, plus its not a cheesy .sh on the windows game disc, and you look at the screens and see itll be great, for $20 u cant go wrong
[06:18] <psychonate> sri, still having that sound problem?
[06:19] <psychonate> sri, installing gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg may help
[06:19] <geetergod> still cant figure out how to take a screen shot tho heh
[06:19] <jasmuz> magog: do they have international shipment....i live in the caribbean
[06:19] <psychonate> I would probably just install all the gstreamer plugins
[06:20] <TMM> lol, yeah, I played the postal demo, it's a very nice game... nice and extremely violent :)
[06:20] <tiglionabbit> anybody?
[06:20] <sri> psychonate: yeah I got that installed.
[06:20] <IIIEars> sri - DVDCSS.deb works try here ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/
[06:20] <sri> psychonate: the big difference was that I was getting my non-free stuff from that french site marilliat.fr?
[06:20] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: not an answer, but "get rid of windoze"?
[06:20] <TMM> tiglionabbit: sorry, I don't know... standard answer is : make sure you have a /boot partition of 10-15 megabytes at the very beginning of the disk
[06:20] <psychonate> tiglionabbit, google the error
[06:20] <psychonate> the exact error
[06:21] <sri> IIIEars: the decss works fine it's somethign to do with the audio
[06:21] <tiglionabbit> I did
[06:21] <tiglionabbit> it says this: 17 : Cannot mount selected partition
[06:21] <tiglionabbit>     This error is returned if the partition requested exists, but the filesystem type cannot be recognized by GRUB.
[06:21] <psychonate> sri, you have all the gstreamer plugins installed, and you restarted totem?
[06:21] <TMM> tiglionabbit: but I thought the newer bootloaders (lilo and grub) don't need that anymore... if they do, try using a partion editor such as qparted to resize
[06:21] <IIIEars> xine+xine-ui worked for me.
[06:21] <TMM> tiglionabbit: if that is the matter, than that's probably exactly what the problem is :)
[06:22] <psychonate> I like Ubuntu, but the "restricted formats" crap drives me nuts
[06:22] <tiglionabbit> what do I do about it then?
[06:22] <TMM> tiglionabbit: you probably installed an xfs or something root partition that grub can't read
[06:22] <tiglionabbit> ?
[06:22] <sri> psychonate: I have.
[06:22] <psychonate> huh
[06:22] <psychonate> dunno then
[06:22] <psychonate> I use xine for DVDs myself
[06:22] <psychonate> does running totem from the CL
[06:23] <TMM> tiglionabbit: probably best to reinstall with another root partition filesystem...
[06:23] <psychonate> offer any helpful output?
[06:23] <sri> psychonate: the strange thing is that mplayer doesn't work either..and thats really bizarre..mplayer alwayas works
[06:23] <tiglionabbit> no, there are two hard disks.  One has windows XP, ntfs format.  The other has an ntfs, fat32, and ubuntu on ext3
[06:23] <psychonate> sri, yeah, it won't even play the DVD, will it?
[06:23] <tiglionabbit> ttm: what does that mean?
[06:23] <psychonate> sri, there's a bug with the mplayer build for Ubuntu AFAIK
[06:23] <TMM> tiglionabbit: then you probably just picked the wrong filesystem to boot from in grub
[06:23] <psychonate> sri, it angers me too
[06:24] <TMM> tiglionabbit: the hd(number,number) thing
[06:24] <jasmuz> psychonate: how do you use xine for dvd's?
[06:24] <sri> psychonate: bastards. :-)
[06:24] <tiglionabbit> tmm: we didn't change anything, just used the ubuntu installer
[06:24] <sri> psychonate: let me try xine
[06:24] <psychonate> jasmuz, on the GUI, there is a little thing that says "DVD" ;)
[06:25] <sri> totem-xine is the best..xine-gui sucks.
[06:25] <TMM> tiglionabbit: hmmm... then I really wouldn't know... I never encountered that before, perhaps it IS the bios... then you'll need to test my 'theory one' (ie, take a partition editor. make some room at the very start of the disk, and reinstall ubuntu, telling it to use the first small partition as /boot)
[06:25] <hardcampa-> sri matter of taste
[06:26] <TMM> tiglionabbit: you think you can handle that?
[06:26] <tiglionabbit> if the disk is ntfs format, how can we add a /boot partition to the start of it?
[06:27] <IIIEars> hardcampa - Do you remember the name of the movie app with the lady in sunglasses logo - the name escapes me at the moment.
[06:27] <niran> sri, all i can think of is that the audio library it's using might be optimized for a different CPU (thus the mplayer errors)
[06:27] <iratsu> sri: what about gxine?
[06:27] <jasmuz> psychonate: dont be a smarty pants!....it dosent play that way...barf's up an error on me
[06:27] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: you'll need to use a ntfs-safe partition resizer (like partition magic)
[06:28] <TMM> tiglionabbit: that's where the partition editor comes in :) there are tools to resize an existing partion to make room for a new partition... so you can make a small, extra partition at the start
[06:28] <tiglionabbit> not partition magic.  Will the partitioner on the install disk for hoary work?
[06:28] <tiglionabbit> I mean, are they able to resize a partition from its start, rather than end, without killing any data?
[06:28] <TMM> tiglionabbit: no, it can not perform partition resizing
[06:28] <tiglionabbit> tmm: yes it can
[06:28] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: the linux partitioners are not ntfs-safe
[06:28] <TMM> tiglionabbit: not on ntfs I think
[06:29] <tiglionabbit> it can
[06:29] <tiglionabbit> we just did it
[06:29] <tiglionabbit> there's a news article about it at the linux-ntfs site
[06:29] <TMM> tiglionabbit: well then, you answered your own question then, didn't you?
[06:29] <LiberalTugboat> Linux can resize NTFS but it can not move it
[06:29] <tiglionabbit> my question is how to resize it from the start, rather than the end...  how could we add a /boot _before_ the partition
[06:29] <LiberalTugboat> so no it could not resize from the start
[06:29] <sri> now it works, usign totem-xine
[06:29] <sri> lame
[06:30] <Quest-Master> tiglionabbit: I tried that a long time ago.. I believe it is not possible
[06:30] <TMM> tiglionabbit: well, partition magic CAN do that
[06:30] <TMM> tiglionabbit: it just takes forever
[06:30] <niran> sri, did you have totem-gstreamer?
[06:30] <tiglionabbit> =[
[06:30] <sri> niran: no, I'm using totem-xine :/
[06:30] <TMM> tiglionabbit: ESPECIALLY if you don't have much free room on the partition
[06:30] <tiglionabbit> we don't have partition magic
[06:30] <LiberalTugboat> well partition magic is a closed source expensive software that gets help from M$
[06:30] <niran> sri, wait, so what did you change to fix it?
[06:30] <TMM> tiglionabbit: but, that might not be neccesarry
[06:30] <LiberalTugboat> of course it can
[06:31] <TMM> tiglionabbit: it might just be enough to put it at the end of the first disk, if that thing is suitably small
[06:31] <TMM> tiglionabbit: you can try that, it's worth it to give it a go
[06:31] <sri> niran: I used totem-xine instead of totem-gstreamer :/
[06:31] <Quest-Master> TMM: If I ever have Linux on my computer, Partition Magic can't read my partition table.. how is that possible?
[06:31] <sri> niran: totally lame.
[06:31] <thunder04> Hey everybody.
[06:32] <TMM> Quest-Master: I do not know, I personally use qparted if I need to do some partion maintenance
[06:32] <Quest-Master> TMM: QParted can't do that though, gah
[06:32] <thunder04> So cool...I ordered the Intel PRO Wireless 2915ABG MiniPCI wireless card....and it works perfectly under Ubuntu. :-D
[06:32] <TMM> Quest-Master: there's a livecd which includes it, with a version that works without x...
[06:32] <niran> sri, yeah, that's odd. maybe gstreamer wasn't using decss for some reason and gave you the gibberish?
[06:32] <nalioth> Quest-Master: and i never install client windoze boxen with ntfs (only fat32)
[06:32] <LiberalTugboat> use different hard drives for linux and windows, they are cheap and it will save alot of head ache
[06:32] <niran> sri, i can't wait until gstreamer is mature. it has potential, but i always have to replace it once i do an install of ubuntu
[06:32] <TMM> Quest-Master: sorry... :( I never have to deal with ntfs partitions, as I don't have an OS that can write to it anyway :)
[06:32] <Quest-Master> TMM: Yeah, SysRescueCD
[06:33] <TMM> Quest-Master: yeah, that one... that really rocks :)
[06:33] <Quest-Master> TMM: It's a FAT32 Partition for me..
[06:33] <Quest-Master> nalioth: Using a FAT32 partition here..
[06:33] <TMM> Quest-Master: what do you need to do with it then? qparted can do quite a lot
[06:33] <IIIEars> sri - "Ogle" is another choice.
[06:33] <Quest-Master> TMM: Resize a partition from the start, not end.
[06:34] <hawke> Quest-Master: can't be done.
[06:34] <hawke> (by qtparted/parted/any linux thing)
[06:34] <TMM> Quest-Master: ahh, well, partition magic does that, but with some trickery, and it's not a very good idea
[06:34] <nalioth> Quest-Master: fat32 allows me to knoppix a dead windoze box back to life
[06:35] <Quest-Master> hawke: Exactly.. what I said at first, hehe
[06:36] <TMM> Quest-Master: sorry, I misunderstood you
[06:36] <hawke> Quest-Master: yep.
[06:36] <Quest-Master> TMM: No problem
[06:36] <LiberalTugboat> hehe I just went up a lvl in CoH
[06:36] <TMM> Quest-Master: resizing a partition from the beginning has a HUGE chance of dataloss, or takes ages, either one of those two :)
[06:36] <TMM> Quest-Master: and, probably, both :P
[06:37] <Quest-Master> hehe.
[06:37] <TMM> think about it :)
[06:37] <IIIEars> sri - same sound trouble here - only got worse with tweaks. totem isn't very good. mplayer was difficult to install. "Ogle" seems to work okay.
[06:37] <dr_willis> it was difficult?  never noticed. :P
[06:37] <dr_willis> totem seems to have some issues for me however.
[06:38] <jasmuz> can you guys recomend me a good p2p proggy so i can download music?
[06:38] <dr_willis> jasmuz,  thers a ubuntu wiki on p2p that compares them all I think
[06:38] <TMM> jasmuz: limewire's good
[06:38] <dr_willis> I use limewire a lot. its a Java APplication however.
[06:38] <dr_willis> I think its java.. i forget. :P lol
[06:38] <TMM> it's java
[06:38] <jasmuz> TMM: but limewire is sluggish
[06:38] <dr_willis> its identical on windows as linux.. which makes it nice in ways.
[06:39] <nickrud> I still swear by mldonkey
[06:39] <jasmuz> dr_willis: i know
[06:39] <dr_willis> Limewire is so easy to learn - even my wife figured it out.
[06:40] <LiberalTugboat> hehe that is easy ;)
[06:40] <amonkey> how can i speed up my dns resolution? it seems to be a lot faster on my windows box on the same network.
[06:40] <nickrud> heh
[06:40] <LiberalTugboat> sorry im just bored standing here waiting for my life to regen
[06:40] <jasmuz> dr_willis: i dont need easy...i need speed
[06:40] <nickrud> mldonkey takes very little resources, and has a web interface
[06:40] <LiberalTugboat> amonkey, disbale ipv6
[06:41] <nalioth> jasmuz: bit torrent?
[06:41] <jasmuz> nalioth: nope...im on dialup
[06:41] <burly> has anyone figured out a way to burn audio cd within ubuntu
[06:41] <nalioth> jasmuz: so bittorrent is a  good choice
[06:42] <LiberalTugboat> burly, there are a few ways
[06:42] <nalioth> burly: i use k3b
[06:42] <jasmuz> burly: gnomebaker
[06:42] <LiberalTugboat> I use gnomebake
[06:42] <jasmuz> nalioth: too slow
[06:42] <nalioth> jasmuz: on dialup, it will all be 'slow"
[06:42] <nickrud> jasmuz everything will be slow over dialup, it's dialup
[06:43] <burly> but isnt k3b for kde?
[06:43] <amonkey> LiberalTugboat, in firefox or somewhere else?
[06:43] <jasmuz> Guys ...stop mocking me and my dialup....i cant afford any better still
[06:43] <dr_willis> k3b does good for me.
[06:43] <nickrud> burly k3b can be run under gnome nicely
[06:43] <jasmuz> burly: you can make it run in gnome
[06:43] <nalioth> burly: k3b can be installed in ubuntu, and yes its kde-centric
[06:43] <burly> ok...let me see what i can do
[06:44] <nalioth> jasmuz: not mocking you. just pointing out facts. bittorrent gives propotionally to what you get
[06:44] <TMM> I should try and build a limewire package that can be included in ubuntu main, ie, compiled with gjc or something
[06:44] <nickrud> jasmuz not mocking, just remembering :)
[06:44] <jasmuz> lol
[06:44] <jasmuz> :P
[06:44] <jasmuz> thanks guys
[06:44] <TMM> I think I got limewire to run at some point a couple of months back with just free software
[06:44] <jasmuz> any good bittorrent program i can use?
[06:45] <psychonate> bittornado
[06:45] <tiglionabbit> ^ correct
[06:45] <psychonate> azureus (if you don't mind java)
[06:45] <nalioth> jasmuz: azureus, bittornado, there are lots of others
[06:45] <tiglionabbit> ew, Java
[06:45] <tiglionabbit> I recommend bittorrent ncurses, used with screen
[06:45] <jasmuz> okie dokie
[06:45] <jasmuz> thanks nalioth
[06:45] <tiglionabbit> er bittornado ncurses
[06:45] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: have you been reading my blog?
[06:45] <psychonate> only problem with that is
[06:46] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: nope, where is it?
[06:46] <burly> thanks guys
[06:46] <psychonate> I like to be able to switch my UL/DL settings on the fly
[06:46] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: just wondering cuz i use cli bt + screen
[06:46] <nickrud> burly now that you've looked at k3b, check out graveman :)
[06:46] <tiglionabbit>  heh, I just discovered that ability, and it looks to have fun applications
[06:46] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: the blog is on a site that just got eaten by the *aa
[06:46] <jasoncohen> is there any reason ubuntu's update-manager can't be recompiled and used on debian?
[06:47] <tiglionabbit> *aa?
[06:47] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: mpaa, riaa, ('nuf sed"
[06:47] <nickrud> jasoncohen first guess, it's hard coded for ubuntu?
[06:47] <TMM> jasoncohen: you probably won't even need to recompile it :)
[06:47] <thunder04> What's a good SFTP/SCP frontend?
[06:47] <tiglionabbit> jason: if you were using debian, you'd just say `apt-get dist-upgrade`
[06:47] <nalioth> thunder04: gftp?
[06:47] <jasoncohen> TMM, yeah- that's what i thought as debian has all the deps
[06:47] <quinten> hey
[06:47] <TMM> jasoncohen: it's just a frontend for apt, there's no reason whatsoever why it won't run on debian
[06:47] <burly> one more thing....how do you completely enable dma mode on the cd drives?
[06:48] <quinten> anyone have problems with a touchpad causing sound to skip on a inspiron laptop?
[06:48] <thunder04> nalioth: Hmm...dunno why that didn't cross my mind.  Thanks!
[06:48] <TMM> jasoncohen: aptitude to be exact :)
[06:48] <quinten> i'm wondering if there's a workaround
[06:48] <TMM> quinten: wow, that is some seriously fucked up hardware if it does that :)
[06:48] <quinten> for several weeks i've noticed that sound sometimes stutters on this inspiron laptop, and i think i've narrowed it down to this message
[06:48] <TMM> quinten: sounds like an interrupt conflict to me
[06:48] <nern> hey hey hey
[06:48] <quinten> psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost sync at byte 1
[06:49] <jasoncohen> TMM, i first tried the ubuntu package and then compiled from the source package but i get the same error
[06:49] <quinten> which occurs at the same time as the sound sync problem
[06:49] <jasoncohen> TMM, http://pastebin.ca/13248
[06:49] <TMM> jasoncohen: what's that error?
[06:49] <quinten> i think it could be related to power management, but any idea what i should try disabling?
[06:49] <jasoncohen> and i get that error in Gnome and KDE.
[06:49] <TMM> quinten: very, very probably an interrupt problem
[06:49] <quinten> TMM: i agree with the IRQ conflict being a possibility
[06:49] <TMM> quinten: almost must be...
[06:49] <quinten> TMM: any ideas on how to proceed?
[06:50] <quinten> i'm new to linux on laptops
[06:50] <TMM> quinten: I don't know that hardware at all... so, no, not really... see if you can fiddle with interrupts in the bios of that thing, other than that, try dicking around with acpi for a bit, I think it handles interrupts too...
[06:50] <HostingGeek> G'day mate
[06:50] <LiberalTugboat> i hate when some idiot guy is stuck behind something and you need to kill him for a mission and you cant find his ass
[06:50] <jasoncohen> TMM, any idea what that error means?
[06:50] <TMM> quinten: I think this would be a good question for #linux
[06:50] <HostingGeek> nice to see you unbanned me
[06:51] <psychonate> are there any CL cdplayers?
[06:51] <HostingGeek> bob2: How are ya doing?
[06:51] <TMM> jasoncohen: no, not really... I'll download it myself on this debian box, it's going to be reinstalled with ubuntu as soon as my backups done anyway
[06:52] <jasoncohen> ok, thanks
[06:52] <TMM> jasoncohen: give me a sec (or, probably a couple) it would help if you've got a link to that source package though :)
[06:52] <nalioth> well y'all be good
[06:52] <jasoncohen> one sec
[06:52] <jasoncohen> TMM, http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/gnome/update-manager
[06:52] <jasoncohen> the source package is at the bottom
[06:52] <TMM> jasoncohen: ok, I should have seen THAT one coming :)
[06:52] <quinten> hmm, well i'll try the bios then
[06:53] <winda> alo
[06:53] <HostingGeek> bob2: Just a sudgestion about the topic: Its comon that people sometimes see what they want to see... so people that want to use breezy will see in the topic "PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE USE BREEZY -- REALLY"
[06:53] <burly> one more thing....how do you completely enable dma mode on the cd drives?
[06:54] <jasmuz> burly: check out the ubuntuguide.org
[06:54] <nickrud> burly hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom most likely, see man hdarm and /etc/hdparm.conf
[06:54] <jasoncohen> TMM, though i found the compile process quite strange. the ./configure ran normally but make seemed to say nothing to be done for most though it didn't give any errors
[06:54] <HostingGeek> bob2: maybe change it to "Longhorn is more stable than breezy"
[06:54] <jasmuz> good night guys
[06:54] <nickrud> HostingGeek you can troll, but my breezy frezzes
[06:55] <HostingGeek> jasmuz: good night
[06:55] <HostingGeek> nickrud: I also use breezy
[06:55] <HostingGeek> nickrud: But I haven't upgraded any of my libs
[06:55] <HostingGeek> and I check bug reports first
[06:56] <iceman> bob2 how d oyou run ipmasking ... updated and installed
[06:56] <nickrud> HostingGeek I installed breezy this evening for a lark, and X has mixed -13 and -21 packages, of course it doesn't work
[06:56] <jasoncohen> TMM, this is what i see when i compile update-manager. Tell me if you get anything different
[06:56] <jasoncohen> TMM, btw, i'm doing this on an up to date debian testing box
[06:56] <HostingGeek> nickrud: also I haven't upgraded any importaint packages
[06:56] <nickrud> well, I'm on hoary, 'cuz the topic says it all
[06:57] <Eighth> what would cause an amd64 install of hoary to randomly freeze? (usually when closing a window)
[06:57] <TMM> jasoncohen: I think I found out what it is, it's just a couple of missing python bindings, trying to figure out which ones now
[06:57] <Eighth> i maintain control of my mouse pointer, but otherwise the system is unresponsive
[06:57] <jasoncohen> TMM, ah, thanks
[06:58] <jasoncohen> is update-manager something ubuntu developed or something that came with gnome 2.10?
[06:58] <TMM> jasoncohen: it's something ubuntu made
[06:58] <jasoncohen> ah, ok
[06:58] <TMM> jasoncohen: its apt-specific
[06:59] <jasoncohen> i don't understand why stuff like this isn't ported to debian. it could be just as useful there and the port would take no effort
[06:59] <TMM> jasoncohen: wouldn't work at ALL on a redhat box or something
[06:59] <TMM> jasoncohen: well, as this shows, it takes SOME effort :)
[06:59] <jasoncohen> heh, sorry- it *should* take no effort
[06:59] <jasoncohen> ubuntu uses the same apt infrastructure
[06:59] <jasoncohen> update-manager is just a frontend, right?
[07:00] <TMM> jasoncohen: debian uses generally don't care much about stuff like this, I know, I am one. :)
[07:00] <TMM> jasoncohen: yep, and, written in python apparently
[07:00] <TMM> jasoncohen: so, shouldn't be hard to port anyway
[07:00] <niran> jasoncohen, i think it should work on debian with no changes
[07:00] <Guerin> jasoncohen: it probably will be, after sarge's release
[07:00] <niran> as long as the dependencies are there.
[07:00] <jasoncohen> TMM, but you use ubuntu as well?
[07:00] <Guerin> if it's good, that is.
[07:00] <jasoncohen> Guerin, well, the dependencies are there. I've installed all the build and package deps
[07:01] <TMM> jasoncohen: not yet, perparing for my big switch... as soon as the shit's finished backing up... it's been copying for 2 hours now....
[07:01] <jasoncohen> TMM, so, why the switch from debian to ubuntu? more up to date gnome/kde/xorg?
[07:03] <TMM> jasoncohen: na'h, because I'm becoming lazier :) I installed a lot of ubuntu boxes for friends and family, and I was beginning to like that whole 'plug stuff in and it works' deal
[07:03] <Micksa> it's when it doesn't work that it gets frustrating
[07:03] <jasoncohen> like what? the only thing i noticed like that was usb keys
[07:04] <jasoncohen> other than that i configured ubuntu the same was as debian
[07:04] <TMM> jasoncohen: yeah, and pcmcia network cards, and firewire devices etc, etc, etc... scanners, printers
[07:04] <jasoncohen> ythi was originally going to put ubuntu on my mythtvbackend/frontend system but problems with esd and myth as well as ivtv led me to use debian
[07:05] <Micksa> okay, here's one
[07:05] <Micksa> if I switch a hard drive with an ubuntu install to a new machine
[07:05] <jasoncohen> TMM, i didn't realize all of that could be auto-configured in ubuntu
[07:05] <Micksa> is there some procedure I should follow to make sure all the devices are detected/inited properly?
[07:05] <Micksa> cos it looks like they aren't
[07:05] <Micksa> in particular, my hdd 8)
[07:05] <iceman> bob2 how to set up ipmask ... i downloaded the packages
[07:06] <TMM> jasoncohen: neither did I :) but I do now, after installing it on about 10 different 'home user' systems I found some rahter shitty hardware, that would have taken me ages to set up in a nice way on debian
[07:06] <jasoncohen> TMM, i'm thinking of installing ubuntu on my laptop. I'm going to keep debian on the myth box as i want something that'll just work and do so reliably and debian is great for that. set it up and forget it
[07:07] <HostingGeek> iceman: So many people have been talking to bob2 but he has been idle for the past 2 HOURS
[07:07] <jasoncohen> i originally had used mandrake for the task. Setup was simple but i was getting weird performance issues where the machine would slow down to a crawl requiring a reboot- no such problems in debian
[07:07] <jasoncohen> TMM, do you have problems with esd?
[07:08] <atlantis> ALUIEN HABLA ESPA?OL
[07:08] <spanglesontoast> what's so good about kubuntu?
[07:08] <TMM> jasoncohen: not with my soundcard, as it does hardware mixing, but I've heard people complain
[07:09] <jasoncohen> why does ubuntu use esd then?
[07:09] <blackgibson> Kubutu is just ubuntu + KDE, no?
[07:09] <jasoncohen> doesn't alsa support multiplexing?
[07:09] <TMM> jasoncohen: usually, yeah
[07:09] <spanglesontoast> no I heard it was optimised for kde
[07:09] <TMM> jasoncohen: ahh.... that package was only added to python in 2.4 apparently
[07:10] <winda> alo
[07:10] <dr_willis> spanglesontoast,  id like to know what they optmized :P
[07:11] <jasoncohen> huh...why does ubuntu have a more recent version of python than sid?
[07:12] <TMM> jasoncohen: why does it have a more recent version of X than sid, and of gnome for that matter? :)
[07:12] <nickrud> jasoncohen alsa does support 'multiplexing', if you use dmix
[07:12] <TMM> jasoncohen: ubuntu ONLY has 2.4 btw, sid has 2.4, it's just a sperate install
[07:12] <jasoncohen> well, then it should be a simple matter of compiling 2.4 on debian
[07:12] <TMM> jasoncohen: apt-get install probably :)
[07:12] <jasoncohen> TMM, oh...i didn't realize that
[07:12] <TMM> jasoncohen: wait a sec, please, I'll tell you exactly what to do in a second :)
[07:13] <TMM> jasoncohen: well, a minute by the looks of this, my system's a tad slow :)
[07:13] <jasoncohen> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?version=all&subword=1&exact=&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=python4&searchon=all ?
[07:14] <jasoncohen> ah, found it
[07:14] <jasoncohen> python2.4
[07:14] <TMM> jasoncohen: I'm not 100% that its going to work now :) please, hold on :)
[07:14] <jasoncohen> ok
[07:16] <Micksa> anyone know how to modify the modules that are loaded inside initrd?
[07:17] <iceman> bob2 how to set up ip masking ?
[07:17] <psychonate> some of the packages want the CD
[07:18] <jasoncohen> this looks a bit more difficult than i thought. i will also need python2.4-apt which is an experimental package
[07:18] <psychonate> can I add deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[07:18] <psychonate> and comment out the CD line
[07:18] <psychonate> to get it to fetch packages online?
[07:18] <nickrud> psychonate yes
[07:18] <nutorian> When I try to Umount a cdrom, it says it is busy, how can I hault the business?
[07:19] <nickrud> psychonate not to beat a dead horse, but http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ExampleConffiles are very useful
[07:19] <jasoncohen> and debian doesn't have python2.4-glade2 or python2.4-gnome2
[07:19] <TMM> jasoncohen: it's going to be a bit more painful than that apparently :) but, give me a couple more minutes :)
[07:20] <psychonate> nickrud, does the latter include ALL the hoary repositories?
[07:20] <TMM> jasoncohen: I know :P
[07:20] <TMM> jasoncohen: that's why its going to be a bit more diffucult
[07:20] <kdp> iceman: HostingGeek: iceman: So many people have been talking to bob2 but he has been idle for the past 2 HOURS
[07:20] <JDahl> I haven't used screen for ages, but now I have the need for it again - isn't there a new screen replacement included in gnome now?
[07:20] <nickrud> psychonate yes, they do. Everything ubuntu supports in one fashion or another.
[07:20] <nutorian> When I try to Umount a cdrom, it says it is busy, How do I umount it?
[07:21] <psychonate> sounds good. The only other repository I use is the marillat one, but I can just add that myself
[07:21] <Jim_the_LNX_NUB> Hi, if there is someone willing, Im a Recent XP changer-over- and have a few questions on software in Ubuntu. I'd like to know how to install software such as VLC media player through ubuntu, or any sotware for that matter, Ive read about apt-get, but dont know where on this fresh install to find it. Thanks for anyone who might be able to help
[07:22] <nickrud> nutorian you running ubuntu? if so, lsof /dev/cdrom will tell you what has the cdrom open
[07:22] <nutorian> nickrud, alright Ill try it ok
[07:22] <jasoncohen> Jim_the_LNX_NUB, apt-get install vlc
[07:22] <jasoncohen> then do man apt-get
[07:22] <jasoncohen> and man apt-cache
[07:22] <sri> Jim_the_LNX_NUB: use synaptic
[07:22] <jasoncohen> or that
[07:23] <iceman_> well
[07:23] <blackgibson> Jim_the_LNX_NUB: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[07:23] <Hmmmm> Jim_the_LNX_NUB, vlc rocks... get it at any cost
[07:23] <Jim_the_LNX_NUB> sorry- How do I find apt get- is it command line only or is there a GUI somewhere in the menu?
[07:23] <nickrud> psychonate, :)
[07:23] <sri> Jim_the_LNX_NUB: synaptic is in System->Administration
[07:23] <nutorian> nickrud, how do I cease mplayer from running
[07:23] <tiglionabbit> jim: synaptic is a front-end for apt-get
[07:23] <jasoncohen> Jim_the_LNX_NUB, apt-get is a command. you can use synaptic if you want a gui tool. Synaptic is very nice
[07:23] <NicP> the gui program you want is synaptic
[07:23] <Jim_the_LNX_NUB> ahh- thats what I needed to know
[07:23] <Jim_the_LNX_NUB> thank you very much
[07:23] <nickrud> nutorian killall mplayer will probably do it
[07:23] <sri> Jim_the_LNX_NUB: enjoy
[07:24] <tiglionabbit> nickrud: gmplayer usually
[07:24] <nickrud> tiglionabbit I never use gmplayer
[07:24] <nickrud> so, habit
[07:24] <tiglionabbit> actually ,the best way to kill something is
[07:24] <sri> Jim_the_LNX_NUB: to help you, click on 'Sections' button at the buttom of the list, it breaks the packages down by software type
[07:24] <tiglionabbit> add to your taskbar the widget that kills malfunctioning programs
[07:24] <psychonate> nickrud, my config file looks much nicer now
[07:25] <nickrud> tiglionabbit that is something new to me, what is it :)
[07:25] <Hmmmm> Jim_the_LNX_NUB, use sudo
[07:25] <TMM> jasoncohen: I am just trying to install the ubuntu 2.4 packages for -apt -gtk and -gnome2 ... seems to be going fine, just a little longer please :)
[07:25] <tiglionabbit> nickrud: in gnome, you can add this button to the taskbar.  When you click the button, it says "Click on the window you want to kill", so you click on the mplayer window and it kills it
[07:25] <Hmmmm> anyone here running hoary on an amd64?
[07:25] <jasoncohen> TMM, ok, thanks
[07:26] <benplaut> Hmmmm: plenty... what's your question?
[07:26] <psychonate> nickrud, I think I used to have some "backports" repository or something
[07:26] <psychonate> know anything about that?
[07:26] <tiglionabbit> psychonate: http://backports.ubuntuforums.com
[07:26] <nickrud> tiglionabbit I've been using gnome for 5 years, that's new to me, although I've seen
[07:26] <nickrud> it in other wm's.
[07:26] <Jim_the_LNX_NUB> What do I do if the software I am looking for is not listed- I see abi word, (which I wanted) but not VLC- I tried search, but it didn't find it?
[07:26] <Hmmmm> well i installed hoary64 on my amd64 box
[07:26] <LiberalTugboat> woohoo another lvl up!!
[07:26] <Hmmmm> and i cnat play dvds and divx movies
[07:26] <nickrud> psychonate I pity you when breezy goes gold
[07:27] <Hmmmm> yes iv installed the codecs
[07:27] <psychonate> oh?
[07:27] <psychonate> not good to use the backports then?
[07:27] <tiglionabbit> jim: click on settings->repositories, then hit Settings, check "Display disabled repositories", hit OK, and check the repositories it lists to get more sources
[07:27] <Jim_the_LNX_NUB> ahh, thank you
[07:27] <tiglionabbit> psychonate: read the website-- it lists mirrors
[07:28] <nickrud> yeah, the developers can only guarantee their own work; if they put something in backports, ok
[07:28] <Jim_the_LNX_NUB> You guys are awesome!
[07:28] <tiglionabbit> =3
[07:28] <nickrud> otherwise,
[07:28] <jasoncohen> Jim_the_LNX_NUB, it's case sensitive. Try "vlc"
[07:28] <jbalint> Is there anything I have to do to enable remote connection to my X server?
[07:29] <tiglionabbit> oh yeah, that's right.  All the packages are lower-cose
[07:29] <tiglionabbit> *case
[07:29] <psychonate> I don't remember why I had it
[07:29] <psychonate> probably just for one app I needed
[07:29] <jasoncohen> btw, you might also want xine-ui, mplayer, gmplayer, w32codecs, libdvdcss etc.
[07:29] <tiglionabbit> vlc is fun though
[07:29] <Jim_the_LNX_NUB> ok, cool
[07:29] <LiberalTugboat> there was a meeting about making an "official" backports
[07:29] <blackgibson> Jim_the_LNX_NUB: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ -- it will walk you thru installing a billion usefull bits onto a fresh ubuntu install
[07:30] <jasoncohen> you need libdvdcss for encrypted dvds (basically all commercial dvds) and w32codecs to play quicktime and windows media formats
[07:30] <jasoncohen> if you install mozilla-mplayer you can play videos in mozilla/firefox/konqueror
[07:30] <tiglionabbit> yeah, install the mozilla- packages to get plugins
[07:30] <TMM> jasoncohen: this is a nightmare :)
[07:31] <jasoncohen> TMM, what's happening?
[07:31] <gentoon> Anyone know ever had "unknown scancode" errors in CLI?
[07:31] <jasoncohen> you don't have the dependencies for all the 2.4 python stuff?
[07:32] <JDahl> gentoon, yeah... if your keyboard is setup wrong it can happen. Are you running breezy?
[07:33] <anathema> hey uhh. problem
[07:33] <anathema> ive got an IMG of a dvd, but getting it to play is impossible!
[07:33] <gentoon> JDahl, no, this only happenes in CLI any distro, it allways happens, i thinks its cause i have a wireless keyboard, i dont press anything they just pop up
[07:33] <anathema> mplayer only seems to play if its a physical dvd...
[07:33] <anathema> vlc crashes when i seek
[07:33] <anathema> and totem wont play it at all
[07:33] <psychonate> anathema, what kind of image?
[07:33] <psychonate> ISO?
[07:33] <anathema> IMG
[07:34] <psychonate> ew
[07:34] <anathema> not my fault, it came that way :D
[07:34] <anathema> but i mounted it as a loop
[07:34] <psychonate> that is a nero IMG afaik
[07:34] <psychonate> it mounted alright?
[07:34] <anathema> yeah
[07:34] <anathema> seemed to
[07:34] <TMM> jasoncohen: hmmm, I might have fixed it, but it's not pretty, just a couple more seconds please :)
[07:34] <anathema> nero is NRG
[07:35] <jasoncohen> TMM, thank you for going through all this trouble
[07:35] <psychonate> ah, yes, my fault
[07:35] <psychonate> CloneCD image
[07:35] <anathema> so is there some way to make it play /
[07:35] <anathema> haha
[07:35] <psychonate> might just be an ISO with a different extension though
[07:35] <anathema> i think it might be close because it mounts
[07:35] <psychonate> anathema, can you browse the mountpoint alright?
[07:35] <TMM> jasoncohen: np, I'm just waiting for my system to finish filling my usb harddisk anyway, plus, this is fun :)
[07:35] <anathema> but i cant get the dan thing to play properly
[07:35] <anathema> yes
[07:36] <anathema> it even plays fine in VLC till i try to seek around
[07:36] <jasoncohen> damn, that unofficial ubuntu guide is damn thorough
[07:36] <anathema> then vlc just quits
[07:36] <TMM> jasoncohen: it's just that my harddisk is sooooo slow with all this activity
[07:36] <anathema> jasoncohen, yes it kicks ass.
[07:36] <blackgibson> jasoncohen, it is the bees knees
[07:36] <psychonate> anathema, what are you opening in VLC, the mountpoint folder?
[07:36] <anathema> yes
[07:36] <burly> later guys thanks again
[07:36] <anathema> i prefer mplayer but mplayer doesnt seem to play it at all
[07:37] <psychonate> I think there is a little trick you can use for xine and mplayer
[07:37] <anathema> trick ?
[07:37] <psychonate> anathema, I think I use to set the device to the location of the image
[07:37] <anathema> reallly
[07:37] <anathema> ill try it
[07:37] <psychonate> but I can't remember too well
[07:37] <LiberalTugboat> I love playing CoH on my linux box :)
[07:37] <blackgibson> your in the okanogan anathema ... i could sell you my old dvd burner.. your close enough ;)
[07:37] <psychonate> and I don't have any images on here right now
[07:37] <anathema> i am yes :D ive got a burner :)
[07:37] <anathema> i just dont wanna burn this
[07:37] <anathema> just watch it
[07:38] <anathema> didnt work psychonate
[07:38] <anathema> stupid star wars
[07:39] <psychonate> I wish I had an image on here to play with
[07:39] <jasoncohen> TMM, would you recommend Ubuntu for a desktop machine over debian testing?
[07:39] <anathema> i'd struggle thru using vlc's crappy unreliable keyboard commands if only it didnt quit
[07:39] <LiberalTugboat> jasoncohen, yes
[07:39] <anathema> jasoncohen, YES
[07:39] <anathema> definityl
[07:39] <anathema> definitely
[07:39] <LiberalTugboat> it is much more sutible for desktop use
[07:39] <jasoncohen> why?
[07:40] <anathema> because its more stable and more mature
[07:40] <LiberalTugboat> its quite a bit ahead in technology
[07:40] <anathema> and has amazing hardware detection
[07:40] <LiberalTugboat> and everything tends to just work
[07:40] <anathema> eheh
[07:40] <psychonate> anathema, xine dvd:/location/of/mountpoint/
[07:40] <TMM> jasoncohen: whooo, it runs
[07:40] <anathema> i dont have xine
[07:40] <jasoncohen> TMM, lol, so what did you have to do?
[07:40] <jasoncohen> anathema, more stable?
[07:40] <TMM> jasoncohen: and, now it crashed
[07:40] <jasoncohen> lol
[07:40] <psychonate> anathema, mplayer -dvd-device /location/of/mountpoint dvd://
[07:40] <anathema> yes, every 6 months they take debian testing, and freeze it
[07:40] <anathema> then works for 6 months improving it, and release it
[07:41] <jasoncohen> you mean sid
[07:41] <anathema> yes, sid.
[07:41] <TMM> jasoncohen: sooo... lets try this again
[07:41] <jasoncohen> debian testing is quite stable
[07:41] <jaysin> hey all, are there any free programs i can remix music files with?
[07:41] <JDahl> anathema, as much as I love Ubuntu I also think it's debatable if it's more stable than Sarge...
[07:41] <anathema> ah really
[07:41] <anathema> sorry yeah they freeze sid..unstable
[07:42] <jasoncohen> yeah, i would agree with JDahl
[07:42] <anathema> i do know the hardware detection is better :D
[07:42] <jasoncohen> though the hardware detection and KDE 3.4 does sound quite nice
[07:42] <anathema> from talking to debian gurus
[07:42] <anathema> ahh, not a kde fan
[07:42] <jasoncohen> though having the newest packages of some lesser known apps is nice in debian
[07:42] <jasoncohen> since it's constantly being updated
[07:42] <LiberalTugboat> debian isnt as polished for desktop use as Ubuntu
[07:43] <LiberalTugboat> like no USB auto detection
[07:43] <jasoncohen> i didn't get to check out the menus in KDE. The kde menus in debian are pretty braindead
[07:43] <LiberalTugboat> well not out of the box anyways
[07:43] <transgress> LiberalTugboat: eh that's more of a gnome2.10 and hotplug thing
[07:43] <jasoncohen> 30+ entries in one menu
[07:43] <anathema> psychonate, Cache fill:  0.00% (0 bytes)
[07:43] <anathema> thats the last msg i get for mplayer
[07:43] <anathema> freezes there
[07:43] <TMM> jasoncohen: well... basically... I wouldn't recommend doing this
[07:43] <LiberalTugboat> yeah but it just shows how out of date sarge is
[07:43] <jasoncohen> TMM, heh, so it's not working too well?
[07:43] <blackgibson> Ubuntu finally got me off of Redhat.. after 8 years or so
[07:44] <TMM> jasoncohen: this is going to suck, and probably hose your python2.4, if you want the update notifyer, install ubuntu :)
[07:44] <anathema> MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_audio
[07:44] <anathema> dohhh
[07:44] <psychonate> anathema, I have problems with mplayer and any DVD myself (though only in Ubuntu)
[07:44] <psychonate> to that might be the issue here
[07:44] <psychonate> s/to/so
[07:44] <anathema> hmmm
[07:44] <LiberalTugboat> if I was setting up a server, I would probably use sarge, but for desktop ubuntu is just to far ahead
[07:44] <anathema> ill install xine
[07:44] <TMM> jasoncohen: and, well, it's not really worth it either, now is it? :)
[07:44] <psychonate> yeah, xine works fine for me with DVDs in Ubuntu
[07:45] <jasoncohen> TMM, ok, can i take libotr and gaim-otr from debian and install it in ubuntu? i also want gpg 1.4.x
[07:45] <anathema> totem-xine gives me greif tho aha
[07:45] <blackgibson> what do you guys use for a media plugin for mozilla? im a mplayer fan for that
[07:45] <psychonate> I just xine-ui
[07:45] <jasoncohen> only breezy has gam-otr as it was added after the snapshot was taken and ubuntu's gnupg version is 1.2.5 which doesn't support SHA-512
[07:46] <psychonate> blackgibson, I use mplayerplugin, but I don't much care for the version that Ubuntu installed
[07:46] <jasoncohen> blackgibson, mplayerplug-in (aka mozilla-mplayer)
[07:46] <LiberalTugboat> The biggest problem with Sarge is it is already a version out of date or most major programs, and since it took em 2 and a half years (it is still not out) when can you count on updates?
[07:46] <anathema> ok installing xine-ui
[07:46] <psychonate> It can't go full screen even
[07:46] <JDahl> blackgibson, I also like mplayer the most
[07:46] <psychonate> the version I had in Mandrake could, however
[07:46] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, it's only out of date for xorg, kde, gnome basically
[07:46] <LiberalTugboat> but on a server not having the latest is ok
[07:46] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, in most other things it's ahead of hoary and even breezy
[07:46] <NicP> hey guys
[07:47] <NicP> ive always wondered
[07:47] <LiberalTugboat> jasoncohen, those are 3 major components
[07:47] <TMM> jasoncohen: yes you can
[07:47] <blackgibson> if only Ardour would get stable, i could ditch my dual boot
[07:47] <NicP> whats the differance between idol and away from computer on gaim
[07:47] <NicP> *idle
[07:47] <LiberalTugboat> yeah I am looking at it right now, it is pretty up to date
[07:47] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, maybe so, but i can barely tell a difference between KDE 3.3 and 3.4 whereas i would notice not having updates for mysql-4.1 and openvpn
[07:47] <LiberalTugboat> pretty much in sync with Sid
[07:48] <LiberalTugboat> kde 3.4 is a bit faster and prettier
[07:48] <JDahl> LiberalTugboat, for actual work I bet Sarge is great for most people... I installed Hoary on my work machine and it does crash every now and then, and I dont really need hotplug or multimedia at work
[07:48] <jasoncohen> ubuntu has a lot of packages in universe. debian's main repository is quite massive
[07:48] <jasoncohen> and debian testing is very stable
[07:48] <LiberalTugboat> I agree, production enviroments sarge is great
[07:49] <LiberalTugboat> but the question was about desktop usage
[07:49] <jasoncohen> my biggest gripe with ubuntu is the lack of security support on universe packages and the size of universe v. main
[07:49] <LiberalTugboat> and sarge cant compete there
[07:49] <jasoncohen> other than that ubuntu clearly is better for desktop
[07:49] <LiberalTugboat> jasoncohen, they are working on the security part for universe
[07:49] <LiberalTugboat> thats what the masters job is
[07:49] <jasoncohen> really?
[07:50] <LiberalTugboat> yeah "Masters Of the Universe
[07:50] <anathema> hey psychonate  im getting an error with that xine thing
[07:50] <jasoncohen> URL?
[07:50] <psychonate> anathema, what is it?
[07:50] <LiberalTugboat> its there job to keep up with universe packages
[07:50] <anathema> ahh i figured it out
[07:50] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, do you use KDE 3.4?
[07:50] <anathema> the cxommand you said dindt work..couldnt find the file
[07:50] <anathema> buut
[07:50] <jasoncohen> how is KDE in ubuntu?
[07:50] <anathema> got it nowe
[07:50] <LiberalTugboat> no I use gnome 2.10
[07:50] <jgotangco> jasoncohen, Kubuntu
[07:50] <nern> kubuntu is pretty nice too
[07:50] <LiberalTugboat> but kubuntu is pretty nice
[07:50] <nern> if you like kde
[07:50] <anathema> thanks for your help..im out psychonate  :D
[07:50] <LiberalTugboat> it is not as polished
[07:51] <psychonate> anathema, working?
[07:51] <nern> no not as polished
[07:51] <nern> and kde is kde so....
[07:51] <jasoncohen> can't you get all the functionality of kubuntu by installing kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu?
[07:51] <LiberalTugboat> they are still on their first release
[07:51] <transgress> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will make ubuntu have kde... although that didn't work out real well when i tried it...
[07:51] <LiberalTugboat> yea
[07:51] <iceman> is xfce available as with aptitude ... ?
[07:51] <cafuego> !info xfce
[07:51] <transgress> apt... not aptitude
[07:51] <LiberalTugboat> personally I think gnome is more usable
[07:51] <nern> apt-get install xfce4
[07:51] <jgotangco> LiberalTugboat, yeah, i actually write current documentation for ubuntu/kubuntu but there are going to be some very interesting changes in kubuntu for 5.10
[07:51] <transgress> iceman: i'm sure you want xfce4
[07:51] <jasoncohen> well, ubuntu was the first time that i thought gnome was actually nice
[07:51] <crimsun> the metapackage is xfce4
[07:52] <nern> xfce4 is beaut
[07:52] <psychonate> and that's why your nick is transgress ;)
[07:52] <jasoncohen> jgotangco, what changes?
[07:52] <transgress> hehe
[07:52] <xBrianx> et
[07:52] <iceman> transgress whats command for apt-get "aptitude" to download it
[07:52] <LiberalTugboat> xfce4 is FAST!!!
[07:52] <nern> if I had a laptop id use xfce on it
[07:52] <jasoncohen> it seems like ubuntu is doing a lot for desktop users
[07:52] <LiberalTugboat> everthing opens in half the time using xfce4
[07:52] <anathema> how do you use the dvd menus in xine psychonate ?
[07:52] <psychonate> blackgibson, ironically enough though, your DE dies easy ;)
[07:52] <psychonate> jk, jk
[07:52] <nern> its really a great desktop distro
[07:52] <transgress> iceman: why not just do sudo apt-get install xfce4 and say fuck aptitude it's overkill to install one thing.
[07:52] <jasoncohen> well, i'm convinced
[07:52] <psychonate> anathema, click with mouse
[07:53] <transgress> seriously... i want you to say that after you use apt-get
[07:53] <jasoncohen> i'm going to install ubuntu on my laptop
[07:53] <anathema> not wokring :(
[07:53] <iceman> transgress xfce4 ... thanks
[07:53] <transgress> jasoncohen: works well on mine
[07:53] <jgotangco> jasoncohen, there are some interesting stuff discussed on kubuntu during the last developer meeting which is available at http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com
[07:53] <crimsun> transgress: aptitude tracks package use and logs attempted actions.
[07:53] <jgotangco> jasoncohen, for server as well, i have all my servers running stock 5.04
[07:53] <transgress> attempted actions?
[07:53] <nern> really?
[07:53] <anathema> ah its the dvd
[07:53] <anathema> shitty thing
[07:53] <crimsun> transgress: install, remove, purge, etc.
[07:53] <psychonate> no menu?
[07:53] <iceman> transgress i tried with just xfce .. and got nothing thats why i ask ..
[07:54] <blackgibson> psychonate: only ever have problems with gnome-panel...and not to often.. milage may vary though
[07:54] <jasoncohen> and ubuntu reconfigured synaptic right so that it has a graphical installer page (rather than the terminal page debian has)
[07:54] <psychonate> anathema, if you got it from p2p, they probably had cut some features out to get the size down
[07:54] <nern> if i had a server i would prolly run debian sarge on it
[07:54] <crimsun> iceman: xfce4, not xfce
[07:54] <anathema> menu is still there
[07:54] <transgress> iceman: xfce is a package too... i installed it not too long ago
[07:54] <anathema> but no dvd navication going on :(
[07:54] <psychonate> oh
[07:54] <transgress> and god was it ugly
[07:54] <psychonate> mine seems to work alright
[07:54] <psychonate> I don't *think* you need any more packages
[07:54] <psychonate> but you can try instaling
[07:54] <LiberalTugboat> the one thing that ubuntu wins me over debian is stability... not software, but policy
[07:54] <psychonate> dvdnav
[07:54] <iceman> transgress i know, reason i ask is maybe i was mistaken .. xfce4 went right  to gettin it .. thanks
[07:54] <nern> id just open up synaptic and search for xfce
[07:54] <LiberalTugboat> 18 month security updates
[07:55] <LiberalTugboat> release every 6 months
[07:55] <nern> and get any packages you think you might need for xfce
[07:55] <jgotangco> LiberalTugboat, yes, you can thank pitti for the security stuff :)
[07:55] <LiberalTugboat> and corporate backing
[07:55] <crimsun> it's xfce4. Trust me, jani and I worked hard on moving it into Hoary.
[07:55] <jgotangco> LiberalTugboat, yes, but remember, majority of Ubuntu devels are community people
[07:55] <jasoncohen> how long ago was the first ubuntu release?
[07:55] <LiberalTugboat> but we all need to still give love to debian, because with out it there would be no ubuntu :)
[07:56] <jgotangco> jasoncohen, October 2004
[07:56] <nern> exactly
[07:56] <jasoncohen> damn, ubuntu is new
[07:56] <|QuaD-_> is it possible to fix the ubuntu breezy font problem not allowing gnucash to start without restarting x
[07:56] <nern> yeah it is
[07:56] <jgotangco> LiberalTugboat, ubuntu depends a lot on Debian sid upstream
[07:56] <jasoncohen> lol...a year newer than woody
[07:56] <nern> breezys not ready
[07:56] <LiberalTugboat> have they finished the c++ switch in breezy yet?
[07:56] <nern> its not ready
[07:56] <transgress> |QuaD-_: it's not possible to fix breezy right now
[07:56] <|QuaD-_> transgress: haha :)
[07:56] <transgress> |QuaD-_: perhaps in a few months when it's fixed.
[07:56] <jasoncohen> when will breezy be in a useable state?
[07:56] <nern> when its released
[07:56] <nern> :)
[07:56] <transgress> jasoncohen: months.
[07:56] <|QuaD-_> jasoncohen: i am using it now, and its more or less useable
[07:56] <LiberalTugboat> jason, when the preview comes out
[07:57] <NicP> yeah when its released :P
[07:57] <crimsun> LiberalTugboat: no, not yet
[07:57] <nern> i think its october when its gonna be released right?
[07:57] <transgress> |QuaD-_: do not say something that stupid.  breezy is still quite broken. and don't get people thinking it's a good idea to use it.
[07:57] <[Brian] > does anyone know how to get the terminal (in runlevel 3) to clear after a user has logged out?  I'm looking for a global setting...
[07:57] <jgotangco> nern, yes breezy will be out in October 2005 (5.10)
[07:57] <jasoncohen> from what i hear breezy is in much worse shape than sid
[07:57] <crimsun> [Brian] : "clear"?
[07:57] <jgotangco> jasoncohen, understandable, it is still being developed
[07:57] <LiberalTugboat> jasoncohen, thats because of the switch the gcc 4
[07:57] <crimsun> [Brian] : add clear to ~/.bash_logout
[07:57] <jasoncohen> so it's like debian's experimental
[07:58] <TMM> |QuaD-_: what's new and shiny in breezy anyway?
[07:58] <jgotangco> jasoncohen, its Sid :)
[07:58] <[Brian] > crimsun, see, that's what I need, but globally
[07:58] <TMM> |QuaD-_: anything especially cool?
[07:58] <angelo> hello all
[07:58] <jasoncohen> jgotangco, no it isn't. sid is probably damn stable at this point
[07:58] <|QuaD-_> TMM: not any new features that have impressed me (i might not know about most of them) but updated packages, mono 1.1.7, etc
[07:58] <transgress> does sid have xorg yet?
[07:58] <angelo> anyone install the gimp 2.3 version ?
[07:59] <jasoncohen> jgotangco, because nothing radical is going into unstable until after sarge is released...and testing is frozen so there's nowhere for it to go
[07:59] <LiberalTugboat> jgotangco, i think he is compairing the stability to deb experimental
[07:59] <jasoncohen> transgress, no, sid has xfree 4.3
[07:59] <jgotangco> ah
[07:59] <crimsun> it's not really 4.3
[07:59] <TMM> I have been using sid for years, and it's been rock solid, but if it breaks, it breaks BIG... like the pam screwup a year orso back... :)
[07:59] <jasoncohen> TMM, mono 1.1.7 is in backports, right?
[07:59] <TMM> jasoncohen: no clue, sorry
[07:59] <transgress> that's the main reason i quit using sarge... wanted updated xorg... ubuntu pulled me from debian... well really it pulled me from gentoo but still.
[07:59] <crimsun> it's much closer to 4.3.99 than 4.3
[08:00] <angelo> what this mean ? : checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
[08:00] <LiberalTugboat> well at the rate debian moves they will be using xorg by 2009
[08:00] <cafuego> And Xorg for Sid will probably be released over the coming week or two. packages are ready, but Sarge needs to be released first.
[08:00] <cafuego> LiberalTugboat: Sarge is due for release on sunday.
[08:00] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, actually, they're just waiting until sarge is released
[08:00] <TMM> LiberalTugboat: they'll move to xorg as soon as sarge is released, which will be next week... the packages are laregly done afaik
[08:00] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, then gnome 2.10, kde 3.4 and xorg will be put into unstable
[08:01] <Kingmilo> woah. morning :)
[08:01] <LiberalTugboat> yeah Lets hope they can get that thing out the door
[08:01] <LiberalTugboat> I am getting tired of the "hype"
[08:01] <cafuego> TMM: Mind you, that depends if they go with DS's packages or Brandens.
[08:01] <angelo> what  this mean ? : checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
[08:01] <LiberalTugboat> it keeps showing up on news pages
[08:01] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, remember...almost all the packages in ubuntu are taken from sid. ubuntu has a newer kernel and newer window managers but a lot of the work is still being done by debian
[08:01] <cafuego> LiberalTugboat: it's like Hoary for 15-odd arches.
[08:01] <transgress> as much as i'm a debian freak that doesn't use debian now heh, i'm not all hyped... i'm more hyped about seeing if they do as they say and start making regular releases
[08:01] <jasoncohen> some 16,000 packages on 11 architectures are built, and tested by debian users
[08:01] <TMM> cafuego: hmmm... they'll probably go brandens
[08:02] <TMM> cafuego: x strike force has a good track record
[08:02] <LiberalTugboat> well with some stuff like xorg we ubuntu has been the one doing alot of the work that will go into the next sid
[08:02] <cafuego> TMM: I used the DS ones on me laptop (radeon igp, so Xorg supported it)
[08:02] <jasoncohen> transgress, if the vancouver proposal is realized they'll have 12-18 month releases on 4 archs
[08:02] <LiberalTugboat> its kind of a give and take situation
[08:02] <cafuego> LiberalTugboat: Maybe, maybe not.
[08:02] <Kingmilo> Any attempted to install Ubuntu on a IBM R51 laptop, wondering if it will enable all the features of the laptop, or is there going to have to be a lot of work? :)
[08:02] <TMM> cafuego: I compiled xorg from source on my laptop, radeon igp too :)
[08:02] <cafuego> TMM: Ewww ;-)
[08:03] <crimsun> angelo: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/perl/libxml-parser-perl
[08:03] <transgress> so will sid be moved to testing once sarge is released and we get what is it... etchy as unstable?
[08:03] <TMM> cafuego: I even have a nifty "hold all x packages" script so sid would stop reinstalling X all the bloody time :)
[08:03] <cafuego> TMM: I had the XF 4.3.99-rc3 source (igp patch) but that failed to compile
[08:03] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, unfortunately, not much from ubuntu is going back into debian
[08:03] <crimsun> transgress: no, sid == sid always
[08:03] <cafuego> TMM: No, sid is always sid.
[08:03] <jasoncohen> transgress, no- sid is always sid
[08:03] <transgress> oh
[08:03] <transgress> i see
[08:03] <cafuego> transgress: The new testing will be Etch.
[08:03] <jasoncohen> testing will be the new etch
[08:03] <cafuego> transgress: Etch will also get official amd64 support.
[08:03] <TMM> cafuego: I know... sid will never release
[08:04] <LiberalTugboat> jasoncohen, thats not totally true, we upstream alot of bug fixes to sid
[08:04] <cafuego> TMM: That was tab gone bad :-)
[08:04] <transgress> sweet... amd64 might make me move my lappy
[08:04] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, really, i didn't know that
[08:04] <LiberalTugboat> there has been a good amount of talk about it before
[08:04] <TMM> cafuego: you know what debian should do? add i686 as an official arch... to shut up all those gentoo users :)
[08:04] <cafuego> transgress: There's been an unofficial debian amd64 for aaaages though.
[08:04] <br33zy> hey
[08:04] <LiberalTugboat> yeah anything that is fixed for ubuntu is seeded back to debian
[08:04] <cafuego> TMM: with as only different the default kernel and libc6-686?
[08:04] <transgress> cafuego: yeah i know... it gave me shit some though.
[08:04] <br33zy> im trying to configure samba
[08:05] <psychonate> nice
[08:05] <br33zy> and i have followed many guides and shit online
[08:05] <br33zy> but I just can't login
[08:05] <jasoncohen> how long did it take ubuntu to fix the firefox 1.0.4 issue where patched firefox's couldn't download extensions?
[08:05] <psychonate> move over ater and Eterm
[08:05] <cafuego> transgress: same here, though that was mainly due to the archive server sucking.
[08:05] <psychonate> xterm is impressive
[08:05] <br33zy> i'm using my own system ueer & pass
[08:05] <psychonate> er
[08:05] <TMM> cafuego: nah, anally compile everything with all the cool gcc switches for processors and the like :)
[08:05] <br33zy> and it always rejects it
[08:05] <psychonate> xterminal*
[08:05] <transgress> cafuego: yep heh
[08:05] <br33zy> what could be the problem?
[08:05] <LiberalTugboat> jasoncohen, i dont htink it is fixed yet
[08:05] <LiberalTugboat> there is a work around
[08:05] <cafuego> TMM: They should be forced to use -pedantic, i bet NOTHING would compile.
[08:05] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, what's the work around?
[08:05] <cafuego> transgress: That's why I went to ubuntu as well :-)
[08:06] <transgress> eh i noticed massive difference between gentoo and slackware, but hardly any between gentoo and debian
[08:06] <TMM> cafuego: hahha
[08:06] <LiberalTugboat> change a line in the settings for firefox
[08:06] <jasoncohen> why didn't they just give it a 1.0.4 version title...1.0.3 and 1.0.4 were only security updates anyways
[08:06] <crimsun> jasoncohen: no, they weren't only security-related
[08:06] <LiberalTugboat> has to do with freezing
[08:06] <transgress> although i'm slightly annoyed about firefox in ubuntu only compiled with gnome-support on
[08:06] <jasoncohen> crimsun, what else was added?
[08:06] <LiberalTugboat> you cant change ANY package versions after the freeze
[08:06] <crimsun> jasoncohen: 1.0.4 also had a number of bugfixes
[08:07] <LiberalTugboat> again this is something they have been discussing
[08:07] <crimsun> jasoncohen: to reversion the package as 1.0.4 would be wrong
[08:07] <jasoncohen> bugfixes aren't backported?
[08:07] <crimsun> jasoncohen: not into hoary-security
[08:07] <LiberalTugboat> one option that has been proposed is an "official" backports project
[08:07] <jasoncohen> are bugfixes backported into main?
[08:07] <crimsun> jasoncohen: hoary-updates
[08:07] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, that sounds like a good idea
[08:07] <LiberalTugboat> jasoncohen, security patched are backported and bug fixes if it is a must
[08:08] <jasoncohen> is a "stable" release really necessary? debian testing is as stable as ubuntu without the freeze
[08:08] <LiberalTugboat> but if you go to the themes site for firefox it will tell youhow to do the work around
[08:08] <LiberalTugboat> jasoncohen, YES!!
[08:08] <crimsun> jasoncohen: a stable release every 6 months is integral to the schedule, heh
[08:09] <crimsun> it wouldn't be much of a "schedule" otherwise, heh
[08:09] <LiberalTugboat> if you want schools and businesses to use it
[08:09] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, well, you can just release 6 month snapshots
[08:09] <LiberalTugboat> no company or government would use a "testing" os
[08:09] <jasoncohen> um..why is mozilla-firefox in universe in breezy?
[08:09] <LiberalTugboat> jasoncohen, that is what they do now
[08:09] <niran> jasoncohen, new package name
[08:09] <psychonate> everyone, especially xfce users, I bid you install the "xterminal" package if you have not already
[08:09] <niran> jasoncohen, plain firefox
[08:09] <jasoncohen> you can call anything stable..it doesn't make it so
[08:10] <LiberalTugboat> but you have to get all the kinks out
[08:10] <jasoncohen> fedora isn't stable :)
[08:10] <niran> jasoncohen, i think...
[08:10] <psychonate> it will replace 'terminal'
[08:10] <LiberalTugboat> fedora is a playing ground
[08:10] <crimsun> jasoncohen: the stable releases _are_ snapshots
[08:10] <LiberalTugboat> where redhat steals all the hardwork the community puts forward
[08:10] <crimsun> they're just snapshots that have been frozen months in advance of the stable release
[08:10] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, and debian does...packages don't go from unstable to testing unless they have been tested for 2/5/10 days depending on severity and don't create any new serious bugs
[08:10] <blackgibson> apperantly core 4 is supposed to be a better release.. taken more seriously by red hat at any rate
[08:11] <TMM> my GOD I have got a lot of crap in my homedir
[08:11] <LiberalTugboat> jasoncohen, but debian testing has also been in development for 2.5 years
[08:11] <blackgibson> my Ubuntu CDs got here before Core 4 did though so i jumped ship
[08:11] <jasoncohen> crimsun, yeah, i know ubuntu uses a snapshot of sid but couldn't the release constantly update with official snapshots for businesses that want some stability?
[08:11] <LiberalTugboat> once sarge is released testing will be in shambles
[08:11] <crimsun> jasoncohen: that's why each release is 6 months apart
[08:11] <LiberalTugboat> well atleast as bad as sid is at the time
[08:12] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, no it won't...unstable might be bad
[08:12] <TMM> cafuego: yeah, didn't you always hang out on #debian? I am sure you do.... I remember your nic suddenly :)
[08:12] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, they won't put it into testing until it's pretty tested and safe
[08:12] <TMM> jasoncohen: they won't even put something in unstable if isn't tested and pretty safe :)
[08:12] <LiberalTugboat> well when sarge is released they will dumb a snap shot of sid into testing
[08:12] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, what's "testing" to debian is probably more stable than 90% of distros as debian's definition of stable is very, very strict
[08:13] <jasoncohen> yeah, TMM is right. that's why there's experimental
[08:13] <Tyche> Does anyone have the link on how to install w32codecs on hoary?
[08:13] <Tyche> I cannot find it, I'm sure the repository is marillat something...
[08:13] <crimsun> Tyche: wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:13] <LiberalTugboat> Tyche, ubuntuguide.org
[08:13] <blackgibson> tyhce: www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:13] <niran> Tyche, ubuntuguide.org
[08:13] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, that's not how it works. there are requirements before unstable packages can go into testing.
[08:13] <LiberalTugboat> hehe I type faster!
[08:13] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, they must not introduce any new serious bugs and all deps have to be available to go in testing and it has to be tested first for 5-10 days usually
[08:13] <thenuke> how is it even possible that there are soooo many ppl who does not know about ubuntuguide.org
[08:13] <Tyche> thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you...everyone for the quick response!
[08:14] <LiberalTugboat> well then it will be a while before there will be a testing
[08:14] <jasoncohen> 2 for high priority updates (security)
[08:14] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, not really..i bet it's ready to go in now. they're waiting until sarge releases
[08:14] <magicbean> Can anyone say if a 200 megahertz processor with 128 meg of ram would be enough to operate well enough?
[08:14] <jasoncohen> nothing big can change in unstable until sarge is released
[08:14] <crimsun> magicbean: you'll probably find a lighter desktop environment more bearable
[08:14] <jasoncohen> that's why some stuff is now going into experimental rather than sid
[08:14] <LiberalTugboat> magicbean, if you use a stripped down wm like xfce4
[08:14] <LiberalTugboat> it will suck with gnome or kde
[08:15] <magicbean> thanks
[08:15] <TMM> jasoncohen: also, 'stable' doesn't refer to the stability of the system, it refers to the stability of the software VERSIONS, as in, in debian stable NO software will get a new version, EVER. *ONLY* security patches, this means, that for instance in the case of mozilla, all the security patches are backported into the version that stable shipped with.
[08:16] <TMM> jasoncohen: and, 'unstable' doesn't refer to stability of the software either, but just that software comes and goes as they please
[08:16] <jasoncohen> TMM, yeah- tha'ts necessary for a production environment
[08:16] <jasoncohen> you don't want a new version screwing up your custom apache and mysql modules
[08:16] <LiberalTugboat> jasoncohen, and that is what ubuntu is working to produce
[08:16] <TMM> jasoncohen: indeed
[08:16] <cafuego> !help is http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[08:16] <ws008> hoi
[08:16] <cafuego> bah
[08:17] <nickrud> hah
[08:17] <TMM> nickrud: thank you, but why?
[08:17] <LiberalTugboat> the general public doesnt need bleeding edge, but they also dont need a new package screwing everything up
[08:17] <LiberalTugboat> thats why they freeze
[08:17] <nickrud> for a good def between stable and not
[08:17] <TMM> nickrud: np
[08:17] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, i agree with you that ubuntu is better for a desktop. I'm just trying to make the point that debian has given a hell of a lot, and is itself damn good and quite stable for most purposes.
[08:18] <LiberalTugboat> its only linux dorks who want that latest point release
[08:18] <LiberalTugboat> yeah I agree there
[08:18] <TMM> nickrud: it seems to get a lot of people confused... 'why do you run an unstable operating system'? and questions like that... to 'other' people I always refer to debian sid, not debian unstable...
[08:18] <jasoncohen> i found that debian testing fit my needs better than ubuntu for a mythtvbackend/frontend, ssh/samba/nfs/cups server
[08:18] <LiberalTugboat> debian just needs to release more
[08:18] <jasoncohen> oh and apache and mysql server as well
[08:18] <LiberalTugboat> it was way to long between woody and sarge
[08:18] <nickrud> TMM yeah, the guy that breaks your system ;
[08:18] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, it should but most users in non-production environments use testing so it isn't a really big deal
[08:19] <LiberalTugboat> and they lost users becuase of it
[08:19] <TMM> nickrud: indeed :) I love the naming of debian :)
[08:19] <crimsun> debian is a fine distro. nearly all the ubuntu developers are DDs.
[08:19] <LiberalTugboat> but debians main home is in production and server
[08:19] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, as "testing" is not what would be considered testing for other distros. lol the fc4 tests didn't even install for some
[08:19] <Guerin> LiberalTugboat: opinion.
[08:19] <TMM> LiberalTugboat: debian was always intended to be used to build operating systems out of... and it's being used for that more and more... the debian 'stable' releases are just that... rock solid os's
[08:19] <jasoncohen> i hope they switch to a 12-18 month release
[08:20] <Guerin> i hopt debian doesn't try to stick to time-based releases
[08:20] <jasoncohen> a 12-18 month "stable" release would be a damn good server
[08:20] <cyphase> Does anyone have any feature requests for an IM client?
[08:20] <Guerin> that said, more frequent releases would be better
[08:20] <monchy> they were talking about that somewhere, a 12-18 month release cycle that is
[08:20] <jasoncohen> rock solid stability and relatively up to date packages (for server usage) with backports if you need them
[08:20] <jasoncohen> 3 years is just crazy though
[08:20] <jasoncohen> monchy, the vancouver proposal
[08:20] <LiberalTugboat> yeah that is getting a little old for nothing be security fixes
[08:20] <jasoncohen> monchy, switching from 11 to 4 official archs
[08:20] <TMM> jasoncohen: why? it works, it keeps working, and it's secure... for most things, woody is still sufficient, just not for desktop usage
[08:21] <monchy> yeah that was it, couldn't remember. thanks :)
[08:21] <LiberalTugboat> and you cant run a server using sid (nor testing)
[08:21] <jasoncohen> you would be amazed at how many bugs are related to relatively unused arches like sparc and arm
[08:21] <psychonate> Here is my screenshot: http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/psychonate/xfce4aqua-sclaed.jpg
[08:21] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, you could run a non-production server on testing
[08:22] <TMM> jasoncohen: you can drag in pretty much ANY peice of kit into your server room and install debian stable on it, with EXACTLY the same prodedure, have the same software available, and run the same services... for a lot of people this is invaluable... say, for ISP's
[08:22] <LiberalTugboat> yeah and what percent of people use sparc and arm?
[08:22] <jasoncohen> i.e - i could run a serve on it
[08:22] <psychonate> I like the look, but it appears really, really odd because of my twinview setup heh
[08:22] <crimsun> Micksa: describe where the boot stops
[08:22] <LiberalTugboat> jasoncohen, I was under the impression only stable got security fixes
[08:22] <monchy> looks good, and don't take it personally but i'm sick of the aqua look lol
[08:22] <psychonate> heh
[08:22] <jasoncohen> TMM, but it's missing some new server apps like openvpn and new features in apache but i guess that's what backports are for
[08:22] <psychonate> I guess I could switch it.
[08:22] <TMM> jasoncohen: for fun you should see how many ISPs will support newer versions of PHP and the like just weeks after a new debian release, it's striking, really :) I expect a lot more ISPs to start offering mysql5 for instance :)
[08:23] <monchy> i had too much of it when i used to visit aqua soft
[08:23] <psychonate> I'm in love with that theme for my player though
[08:23] <Micksa> say wha?
[08:23] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, you are right- but security fixes do go into testing within a few days of getting into unstable
[08:23] <psychonate> It's actually a winamp 2.x theme
[08:23] <Micksa> just before root is mounted ;)
[08:23] <jasoncohen> generally not that far behind other distros
[08:23] <Tyche> crimson liveraltuboat blackgibson niran When I try to install things from there, it says that it is not authorized and that it will not install.
[08:23] <psychonate> lesser-known fact: XMMS can use the winamp 2.x themes (classic themes)
[08:23] <Micksa> this is an existing install that i've moved to a new laptop
[08:23] <TMM> jasoncohen: testing is useless as a server, really, totally utterly useless :)
[08:23] <TMM> jasoncohen: sid's better suited, really
[08:23] <psychonate> many of which are pretty fine-looking
[08:23] <jasoncohen> TMM, why?
[08:23] <LiberalTugboat> tyche you need to DL the gpg key
[08:23] <niran> Tyche, it's a warning, you can choose to install it anyway
[08:23] <niran> i think, right?
[08:23] <Guerin> TMM: that's arguable too.
[08:24] <LiberalTugboat> or ignore it
[08:24] <LiberalTugboat> (thats what I do)
[08:24] <LiberalTugboat> heh
[08:24] <Guerin> you can argue security; I can argue breakage
[08:24] <niran> yeah, me too
[08:24] <jasoncohen> TMM, so you wouldn't mind a 3 year release cycle for a server?
[08:24] <crimsun> Micksa: what are you trying to do?
[08:24] <TMM> jasoncohen: because of the security stuff, it's the only distribution in existance today without a security team :)
[08:24] <Guerin> testing is a decent plan for servers if you're preapred to manage security actively.
[08:24] <Tyche> LiberalTugboat I did the gpg instructions...(before) should I do it after? everything looked like it worked before.
[08:24] <Micksa> get the damn thing to boot
[08:24] <Micksa> here, um
[08:24] <LiberalTugboat> no just before
[08:24] <Micksa> it's an inspiron 6000
[08:25] <TMM> jasoncohen: it can be a lot more than a couple of days before a security fix goes into testing... sometimes a couple of weeks if the maintainers are too busy... noone really cares, especially just after a release
[08:25] <Micksa> http://www.antoniocheca.com/wp/content-text/ubuntu-inspiron6000.html
[08:25] <jasoncohen> but servers wouldn't need testing or unstable if release cycles were 12/18 months...it's these ridiculous cycles that make the packages so outdated they lack functionality or lack packages altogether
[08:25] <Micksa> old laptop needed no modules in initrd but this one does, or it can't see the hdd
[08:25] <TMM> jasoncohen: 3 year release cicle isn't too bad... how long has windows NT4 lasted?
[08:25] <LiberalTugboat> even M$ release cycle isnt as bad as the time between woody and sarge
[08:26] <LiberalTugboat> and that is saying somthing
[08:26] <crimsun> Micksa: did you regen an initrd?
[08:26] <jasoncohen> TMM, yeah- but winNT is just an OS...not a complete distro
[08:26] <TMM> LiberalTugboat: not true... NT4 lasted a LOOOOONG time
[08:26] <Bird> have a sex chat?
[08:26] <crimsun> Bird: wrong channel
[08:26] <jasoncohen> TMM, you can use updated apps in NT4
[08:26] <monchy> lol
[08:26] <LiberalTugboat> TMM, but m$ does add new features
[08:26] <TMM> jasoncohen: no, thats where you are wrong, the debian stable releases should be viewed as 'just an OS'
[08:26] <Micksa> crimsun: yeah but I gotta figure out what to put in /etc/mkinitd/modules first :)
[08:26] <jasoncohen> TMM, why? it's not
[08:26] <LiberalTugboat> and you can use new versions of software
[08:26] <TMM> LiberalTugboat: as does debian with the different releases
[08:27] <jasoncohen> TMM, with woody you have a 3 year old apache. NT's applications aren't dependent on the release of the OS
[08:27] <LiberalTugboat> (not defend M$)
[08:27] <TMM> jasoncohen: dig around on the debian site for their definition of the releases... they consider a debian stable release to be an OS and a platform you can build something on, without having to worry about api/abi changes or other fluctuations
[08:27] <crimsun> Micksa: does the standard ubuntu kernel (-386) not suffice?
[08:27] <TMM> jasoncohen: what is stopping you from installing apache from -testing or sid? or from source?
[08:28] <jasoncohen> TMM, nothing i suppose but then you don't get the nice package management
[08:28] <LiberalTugboat> TMM, not having the right liberaries
[08:28] <jasoncohen> but backports has 2.0.54
[08:28] <TMM> jasoncohen: LiberalTugboat like with a 4 year old windows NT 4 release?
[08:28] <Guerin> you cal always BFS on an old distro
[08:28] <Micksa> crimsun: not on its own, no
[08:29] <Micksa> crimsun: by the look of things, if you install ubuntu *fresh* on this machine it all goes fine
[08:29] <Guerin> how do you think backports.org make all their packages? It's peasy if you really want it.
[08:29] <jasoncohen> TMM, but it's easier on windows because all packages are in binary form and can be used on basically any NT version
[08:29] <Micksa> probably because the install process figures out what modules to get initrd to load
[08:29] <jasoncohen> and some 95/98/NT/XP
[08:29] <Micksa> but I dunno how to do that on an existing install :)
[08:29] <jasoncohen> i still don't get why companies moved from NT4 to XP
[08:29] <REds> its all the hype
[08:30] <LiberalTugboat> because there is no support for nt4
[08:30] <REds> its new its xp it sounds good
[08:30] <TMM> jasoncohen: because, basically, they static link everything, and/or copy ALL ther required dlls in the programs folder :)
[08:30] <Micksa> anyway, um, I think I'm in :)
[08:30] <jasoncohen> but NT4 was more stable...it was a better OS for business
[08:30] <LiberalTugboat> it finally got its life line cut
[08:30] <TMM> jasoncohen: more stable than debian woody?
[08:30] <jasoncohen> TMM, lol, of course not
[08:30] <jasoncohen> more stable than XP
[08:30] <REds> people still have the mind set, ohh we have to change there no updates for nt4 anymore
[08:30] <LiberalTugboat> M$ has the companies by the nuts, M$ wanted more money... they forced them to upgrade
[08:30] <Bird> have a sex chat?
[08:30] <jasoncohen> but i got to say XP is a hell of a lot better than any other desktop windows release
[08:31] <jasoncohen> remember ME? what utter crap
[08:31] <Micksa> I'm in!
[08:31] <TMM> jasoncohen: and, THATS not even true... win2000 was better as a desktop OS
[08:31] <JairunCaloth> ME, you mean micropuke
[08:31] <Micksa> oh wait
[08:31] <REds> did windows every have a good release
[08:31] <REds> musta missed that :D
[08:31] <LiberalTugboat> I work for a systems integrator, m$ basicly forces upgrades
[08:31] <jasoncohen> TMM, than xp?
[08:31] <Micksa> um, I dunno if DMA is enabled on the CDROM yet
[08:31] <TMM> jasoncohen: basically, none of their OSs have ever been worth the price of the media they where delivered on...
[08:31] <Micksa> I still need that :)
[08:31] <Micksa> sheee
[08:31] <jasoncohen> TMM, xp pro isn't a bad desktop os
[08:31] <TMM> jasoncohen: yeah, XP truely and utterly sucks
[08:31] <LiberalTugboat> thats why the different versions of Office dont work with each other
[08:32] <IIIEars> Windows is the best OS out there!     - for games - rofl
[08:32] <jasoncohen> it's decently stable
[08:32] <LiberalTugboat> IIIEars, I am offended!!!
[08:32] <IIIEars> just don't connect to the 'net with it.
[08:32] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, you can use openoffice
[08:32] <jasoncohen> and firefox
[08:32] <LiberalTugboat> jasoncohen, but doesnt work in a business setting
[08:32] <IIIEars> windows install, connect, reinstall
[08:33] <TMM> jasoncohen: sure it is, I have a XP box running in qemu, and while it is rather stable, it's totally unusabele let alone installable for someone that doesn't know his way around computers, it's actually WORSE than say, suse
[08:33] <jasoncohen> i don't like XP...i have to clean up the crap whenever my gf trashes it by downloading a virus in AIM...(now she has linux installed)
[08:33] <LiberalTugboat> jasoncohen, i second that
[08:33] <LiberalTugboat> I did the same for my girl
[08:33] <LiberalTugboat> :)
[08:33] <Madpilot> If I'm adding a 2nd CD/DVD drive to a system, will I be able to get audio out of it w/o an audio cable? (the one CD audio cable port on my mobo is already used by the 1st CDROM...)
[08:33] <jasoncohen> lol, my gf was so shocked when she couldn't play a DVD in a fresh windows install and had to go to linux
[08:33] <jasoncohen> windows is such a money pit
[08:34] <LiberalTugboat> she is typing up her college report right now on her ubuntu laptop in OOo
[08:34] <stuNNed> hehe
[08:34] <stuNNed> 4
[08:34] <stuNNed> -4
[08:34] <TMM> Madpilot: depends on your cdrom drive and ide controller I think... there is such a thing as 'digital playback' but I'm not sure if it's supported by all cdrom devices
[08:34] <Guerin> goddamn, why would you do a university paper in an orifice program?
[08:34] <jasoncohen> Guerin, why *wouldn't* you?
[08:35] <LiberalTugboat> yeah I am damn confused
[08:35] <Guerin> because it's a) unnecessary b) more work than it's worth c) liable to cause trouble at the other end d) editable e) going to look like shit f) going to cause trouble printing
[08:35] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, do you use backports for hoary?
[08:35] <Madpilot> TMM: the mobo is a new Asus A7N8X, and the CD/DVD is a Pioneer DVR-109 - that didn't, in any case, come with any cables...
[08:35] <IIIEars> Money and resource hog. - jeez then there are the needed "life support" apps that hog resources.
[08:35] <Guerin> jasoncohen: I can keep going...
[08:35] <LiberalTugboat> jasoncohen, no, they could be trouble
[08:35] <Methynutnut> Guerin: what's a better alternative?
[08:36] <monchy> don't say office or you'll be lynched lol
[08:36] <blackgibson> my DRV-109 diddnt come with any cables either
[08:36] <jasoncohen> docs i write in OO print fine, look good in OO and ms, can be edited on windows or linux etc.
[08:36] <jasoncohen> OO or word i should say
[08:36] <Guerin> Methynutnut: write in plain text unless you really need fancy formatting and so on; in which case use TeX or XML or something which was actually designed for the purpose
[08:36] <jasoncohen> lol if only OO started up as fast as word
[08:37] <LiberalTugboat> yeah she is even doing a powerpoint presentation on OOo here and working on it in Office at school
[08:37] <cafuego> jasoncohen: if you also preload half of OO at bootup, of course it will.
[08:37] <Madpilot> Guerin: um, AFAIK OOo does use XML as a file format...
[08:38] <jasoncohen> nope, even with the OO autoloader in KDE it still takes a while
[08:38] <Guerin> Madpilot: XML is not a file format.
[08:38] <blackgibson> I prefer abiwork myself, but i don't do any heavy office work
[08:38] <IIIEars> IRC, Web Browser,DVD playback, curious i opened quake2 - everything worked fine 1.5 g 390 ram - windows could never manage all that at once.
[08:38] <LiberalTugboat> jasoncohen, OO opens in like 4 seconds for me
[08:38] <TMM> Madpilot: no clue... I'm not a walking device database :)
[08:38] <blackgibson> er.. abiword even
[08:38] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, this is on a laptop so slow HD
[08:38] <TMM> anyway, I'm finially done backing up my system
[08:38] <TMM> sooooo
[08:38] <Guerin> Madpilot: it encapsulates what you write in a series of xml files and zips them up.
[08:38] <LiberalTugboat> my lappy does it in 7-8
[08:38] <jasoncohen> TMM, how big is your system?
[08:38] <Methynutnut> TMM: time to break it
[08:38] <Madpilot> Guerin: I know that. but OOo writes to XML
[08:38] <TMM> I'll be rebooting and installing ubuntu for a bit
[08:39] <TMM> jasoncohen: 47GB... took 3.5 hours over usb2 to backup...
[08:39] <jasoncohen> damn
[08:39] <jasoncohen> why not use SSH?
[08:39] <Madpilot> TMM: hey, no prob, it was worth a shot. I'll just install the new drive tomorrow and see what happens...
[08:39] <jasoncohen> i get 10 MB/sec + over SSH
[08:39] <LiberalTugboat> im going to go check out what is going on in the mailing lists
[08:39] <Guerin> Madpilot: it CAN. It's not a fantastically good XML editor, and can't use useful schemas like, for example, docbook, without manual haxxorisation.
[08:39] <jasoncohen> i have my laptop and desktop auto-backup /etc and /home from a cronjob. the laptop backs up to a remote NFS share
[08:39] <TMM> jasoncohen: I know... this sucked
[08:40] <Guerin> the one thing oo.o does have going for it as a real document-creation app is good pdf exportabilities
[08:40] <TMM> jasoncohen: anyway I should be xchatting in about 20 minutes I guess, wish me luck
[08:40] <jasoncohen> and for that much you should be using rsync
[08:40] <jasoncohen> TMM, good luck
[08:40] <jasoncohen> TMM, i'll be installing ubuntu tomorrow over my mdk partition
[08:40] <TMM> jasoncohen: rsync isn't really going to help if you just need to dump your entire homedir somewhere :)
[08:40] <TMM> brb (I hope)
[08:40] <jasoncohen> TMM, it will if you want to keep it fresh
[08:40] <IIIEars> Why not "Mondo"?
[08:41] <blackgibson> Madpilot: www.pioneer109.com  Great user group
[08:41] <jasoncohen> you havea  47 GB home dir?
[08:41] <jasoncohen> lol, i would hate to back up my mythtv shows
[08:41] <IIIEars> lol
[08:42] <jasoncohen> it's on a 400 GB XFS LVM2 partition
[08:42] <jasoncohen> 1/2 used currently
[08:42] <Micksa> I'm in!
[08:42] <IIIEars> will mythtv support the ne ati all in wonder hdtv card?
[08:42] <jasoncohen> i'll probably add another 300-400 when prices go down on the larger drives
[08:42] <jasoncohen> IIIEars, why not get the air2pc?
[08:42] <Micksa> IIIEars: eventually :)
[08:42] <jasoncohen> it's already supported and does QAM
[08:43] <IIIEars> air2pc - hm - googling brb - grin
[08:43] <jasoncohen> might have to wait a little while. they're on back order until sometime in late june
[08:43] <jasoncohen> manufacturer ran out
[08:43] <jasoncohen> but the good news is that the broadcast flag is dead for now
[08:46] <jasoncohen> btw, isn't fedora supposed to be a "stable" release? They're package versions constantly change.
[08:47] <jasoncohen> *Their
[08:47] <floo> can anyone tell me if ubuntu supports pci express?
[08:47] <cafuego> floo: it does
[08:47] <cyphase> floo, someone can
[08:47] <floo> thanks
[08:47] <cafuego> it's a fucntion of the ekrnel, not the distribution.
[08:47] <floo> that's what I meant to say
[08:48] <cyphase> lol] 
[08:48] <floo> are ther any problems with pci express that you're aware of?
[08:48] <IIIEars> The Broadcast flag was a worry...
[08:49] <cafuego> floo: No, the ekrnel just sees it as pci/agp
[08:49] <floo> fantastic!!
[08:49] <cafuego> floo: just make sure you use an nvidia card
[08:49] <IIIEars> can't find an air2pc card nothing on newegg.
[08:49] <jasoncohen> IIIEars, it won't be
[08:49] <floo> cafuego agree
[08:49] <jasoncohen> one sec
[08:50] <IIIEars> a couple of nice spec sheets posted.
[08:50] <jasoncohen> http://www.cyberestore.com/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=103
[08:50] <floo> cafuego does the generic nvidia linux driver support pci express or do they have a seperte driver for that
[08:51] <Kingmilo> IBM R51, and ubuntu... i wonder? :/
[08:51] <cafuego> floo: Just the normal one afaik
[08:51] <IIIEars> QAM is the Cable TV standard?
[08:52] <cafuego> floo: You *will* need to get yourself a newer kernel, i think.
[08:52] <nemik> hello everyone!
[08:52] <floo> thankx a lot cafuego
[08:52] <floo> how new 2.6.11
[08:52] <TobiasFar> hi
[08:52] <nemik> i know this must be VERY basic, but i cannot edit a .conf file in /etc so i think i need to chmod it
[08:52] <jasoncohen> IIIEars, i belive 2.6.10 and up have the air2pc driver in the kernel
[08:52] <psychonate> nemik, you need to use sudo
[08:52] <Kingmilo> nemik , you will need to have root access
[08:52] <IIIEars> very nice. :)
[08:52] <nemik> so i'm trying to get to /etc/ from root terminal, how do i do that?
[08:52] <TobiasFar> where do i find synaptic package manager under kubuntu?
[08:53] <cafuego> floo: 2.6.11.11 maybe, possibly 2.6.12-preX
[08:53] <Kingmilo> nemik , su -
[08:53] <LiberalTugboat> TobiasFar, it isnt
[08:53] <carthik> TobiasFar, isnt the kde equivalent called kynaptic or something?
[08:53] <Kingmilo> nemik , cd /etc
[08:53] <LiberalTugboat> there is kynaptic
[08:53] <LiberalTugboat> but IMHO it stinks
[08:53] <jasoncohen> IIIEars, here's another choice- http://mythic.tv/product_info.php?products_id=33
[08:53] <LiberalTugboat> you can sudo apt-get install synaptic
[08:53] <gh5046> The cdrom in this 4u server sucked, kept dying randomly when I was trying to install the base system.  so, I copied the iso onto this box, and mounted it as /cdrom.
[08:53] <Kingmilo> nemik , are you using the console or a file browser?
[08:53] <gh5046> And now I think I'm special.
[08:53] <psychonate> I don't understand the point of kubuntu
[08:54] <floo> right, trouble is I had trouble compiling a kekrnel for ubuntu.  Debian method isn't what I'm used to
[08:54] <nemik> root console, ooohhh /etc not just etc. got it
[08:54] <psychonate> why not just install KDE after installing Ubuntu?
[08:54] <cafuego> psychonate: Some people don't want to wait whilst it installs gnome
[08:54] <LiberalTugboat> psychonate, because some people dont have high speed access
[08:54] <psychonate> er
[08:54] <LiberalTugboat> some dont have HUGE hds
[08:54] <nemik> then do: sudo smsd.conf ?
[08:54] <TobiasFar> psychonate, that'S the way i did it
[08:54] <psychonate> isn't KDE just as bloated as GNOME?
[08:54] <IIIEars> Nice link. :)
[08:55] <cafuego> psychonate: No, it's not.
[08:55] <Kingmilo> nemik no, nano smsd.conf
[08:55] <LiberalTugboat> some dont want nasty gnome files on their KDE box
[08:55] <jasoncohen> LiberalTugboat, you don't need a huge HD for KDE/Gnome. I have both on a 5 GB root partition
[08:55] <psychonate> rofl
[08:55] <LiberalTugboat> its because of chioce
[08:55] <cafuego> psychonate: it's far MORE bloated
[08:55] <nemik> ahh ok thank you kingmilo
[08:55] <psychonate> what about the nasty KDE files
[08:55] <Kingmilo> nemik , are you logged in as root on the console?
[08:55] <nemik> yes i'm root
[08:55] <LiberalTugboat> its gives people the choice to install it more then one way
[08:55] <psychonate> better off using fluxbox/xfce/etc if you're worried about size
[08:55] <psychonate> LiberalTugboat, oh, I see. Where is the XFCE4 version?
[08:55] <nemik> well. at least instead of going to terminal, i went to root terminal and typed in the password
[08:55] <gh5046> I wish I could choose an smp kernel when doing the ubuntu install
[08:55] <Kingmilo> nemik , ok then that will work. Another edit is vim # vi smsd.conf
[08:56] <cafuego> psychonate: CReate it and off you go.
[08:56] <NicP> why isnt there a wine type program for mac osx applications
[08:56] <psychonate> heh
[08:56] <LiberalTugboat> psychonate, it is waiting for a dedicated team to step forward and take charge
[08:56] <jasoncohen> well, i should get some sleep. I enjoyed the conversation. Definitely more user-oriented than #debian :)
[08:56] <NicP> everything i would use is on osx
[08:56] <nemik> and is ^ the alt or ctrl key?
[08:56] <psychonate> It just doesn't seem practical to me to make a release for every DE/WM
[08:56] <LiberalTugboat> I think there is talk about an XFCEbuntu
[08:56] <nemik> sorry guys i know i'm a real noob
[08:56] <cafuego> nemik: OSX doesn't do Evolution
[08:56] <gh5046> NicP: look up pearpc
[08:57] <Madpilot> blackgibson: thnx for the Pioneer109 URL - nearly missed it from being away from the comp...
[08:57] <nemik> cafuego, i think you meant nicP....
[08:57] <LiberalTugboat> cafuego, what is you run x11?
[08:57] <Kingmilo> nemik , yes its the ALT key :)
[08:57] <nemik> ahh thanks again!
[08:57] <psychonate> nonetheless, I will say that Ubuntu is a very nice distro
[08:57] <cafuego> nemik: I bet I did too!
[08:57] <NicP> isnt pearpc an emulation for entire operating systems
[08:57] <LiberalTugboat> yes
[08:57] <LiberalTugboat> well no
[08:57] <nikos> hi
[08:57] <nemik> i agree, i love ubuntu so far. best distro i used yet
[08:57] <egg> hi
[08:57] <LiberalTugboat> it emulates PPC hardware on X86 hardware
[08:58] <nemik> i like gnome better than knoppix's KDE
[08:58] <NicP> yeah i was gonna use it and try osx
[08:58] <cafuego> NicP: No, pearpc is a way to make both the host x86 and guest ppc too slow to use.
[08:58] <NicP> lol
[08:58] <Kingmilo> nemik , what other distro's have u used out of interest? :)
[08:58] <nikos> im new o ubuntu
[08:58] <psychonate> Although the "restricted formats" jargon can be a pain, but I suppose you can only do so much when it comes to the legality of things
[08:58] <cafuego> NicP: OSX in PearPC is too slow to bother with on a 1.5GB 2GHz amd64.
[08:58] <nemik> kingmilo, tried a VERY unsuccessful gentoo install, redhat, and knoppix
[08:59] <cafuego> NicP: Specifically, it runs MUCH faster on even a 233MHz g3.
[08:59] <psychonate> I rather liked the amount of packages Gentoo had to offer.
[08:59] <LiberalTugboat> hehe I had an unseccessful gentoo install
[08:59] <NicP> i was only going to try it, not use it all the time, i do realise all that
[08:59] <psychonate> I disliked, however, the maintenance and the problems I ran into
[08:59] <gh5046> NicP: Yes.  But, it's the only OS X emulation software out there.
[08:59] <Kingmilo> nemik , ahh i see, yes gentoo does take a while to get used too, but its very good once its up. Redhat im not crazy about and ive never tried knoppix :)
[08:59] <NicP> but what i ment was wouldnt it be easier to try an emulate osx rather than windows to get apps like office etc
[08:59] <NicP> now i think about it the cpu architecture probably is a significant stumbling point
[08:59] <psychonate> My three favorite would be Gentoo, Ubuntu, and Mandrake
[08:59] <gh5046> It would be harder.
[08:59] <cafuego> NicP: No.
[08:59] <LiberalTugboat> i think most enthusiests have a bad gentoo install under there belt
[09:00] <psychonate> Mandrake is actually very nice once you get some online sources added
[09:00] <Kingmilo> nemik, im busy downloading the ubuntu iso image. 97%, so it's will be my first taste of ubuntu today :)
[09:00] <psychonate> (and PLF)
[09:00] <NicP> cafuego, what do u mean by no?
[09:00] <LiberalTugboat> I have probably tried 20 different distros
[09:00] <egg> NicP:  how to put osx into a flash-key?
[09:00] <nemik> i thought i knew 'computers' so i decided my first linux try to be getting gentoo on a PC. i failed miserably and am still shaken by the experience. it took a lot of strength after that to ween me off live CDs and try a real install. ubuntu did not disappoint. :)
[09:00] <nemik> kingmilo, i hope you'll like ubuntu as much as me
[09:01] <egg> NicP: codename-> DSOX
[09:01] <blackgibson> Gentoo is great if you want to take the time to install and configure it properly
[09:01] <NicP> egg: what?
[09:01] <psychonate> yeah, lots of packages
[09:01] <blackgibson> i dont want to take a few days out of my life to do so however
[09:01] <egg> NicP: osx in a flash-key?
[09:01] <floo> ubuntu is fab!! I migrated from mandrake about 6 months ago
[09:01] <Kingmilo> nemik , very glad to hear that, and i am sure i will like it just as much. Be warned though, from experience i know you will dip your fingers into gentoo in the future :) It's like an itch you have to scratch!
[09:01] <egg> NicP: how to do?
[09:01] <NicP> how would i know?
[09:02] <gh5046> I almost bought a dual powermac last night.
[09:02] <egg> NicP: sigh
[09:02] <gh5046> I'm glad I didn't, but then again I wish I had.
[09:02] <NicP> lol, gh5046 same
[09:02] <nemik> kingmilo, oh i know! but i'm really liking this. piece by piece i'm moving away from MS (evil empire as most of you like to call it ;) ) and going to open source
[09:02] <psychonate> I have one quote on bash, and it expresses my feelings towards Macs.
[09:02] <blackgibson> i am glad i was using apt-get on Fedora before i switched.. it made transitioning to Ubuntu easier
[09:02] <egg> NicP: linux could but osx couldn't?
[09:02] <NicP> egg, i dont know what you are talking about
[09:03] <nemik> i have one of my boxes running ubuntu and hope to switch my primary (laptop) to it maybe soon as well. when i master it.
[09:03] <Micksa> I have wireless working alreday
[09:03] <Micksa> I like it when that happens
[09:03] <egg> NicP: ...
[09:03] <Micksa> now I just need STR and I'm set!
[09:03] <LiberalTugboat> multi versions of Fedora, MDK, SuSE, mepis... Yoper, Kanotix, Knoppix, Puppy, DSL, Debian, xandros, pclinux os, slax, Arch, Linspire, BeatrlX, PHLAK, Overclockix
[09:03] <LiberalTugboat> There are more too
[09:03] <Kingmilo> nemik , to illustrate the power of linux i can tell you that one of South Africa's major freight forwarding companys has just gone pure linux Desktop Environment. So whenever you get the feeling that *nix cant do what M$ can, look again koz the answer is out there somewhere, just gotta be persistent and patient :)
[09:04] <psychonate> I think I'm going to put Slackware on another box again
[09:04] <psychonate> been a while
[09:04] <gh5046> windows is like a $2 hooker.  Sure it's quick and "easy", but you'll get herpes.
[09:04] <xukun> nemik, ubuntu is also great with laptops
[09:04] <egg> LiberalTugboat:  on sale?
[09:04] <psychonate> gh5046, Ah, is that a parody of my quote ;) ?
[09:04] <LiberalTugboat> And ubuntu is the distro that comes closest to what I need and want
[09:04] <nemik> king, i beleive it. i used to live in SA...loved it there
[09:04] <psychonate> gh5046, fortunately, I do not use Windows
[09:05] <nemik> only thing that worries me is wifi working correctly on my 700m
[09:05] <Kingmilo> nemik , great, my d/l just finished, gonna get installing now. Have a good day and enjoy ubuntu :)
[09:05] <NicP> lol
[09:05] <xukun> nemik, which brand?
[09:05] <nemik> dell inspirion
[09:05] <gh5046> And, linux is like the ugly woman who you woke up next to this morning, you just had to guy her a beer.
[09:05] <egg> LiberalTugboat:  could you tell me some URLs about Ubuntu? please
[09:05] <psychonate> negative
[09:06] <gh5046> Otherwise, it was completely free.
[09:06] <hyphenated> nemik: works on my dell inspiron 6000 with the 29xx chipset
[09:06] <nemik> i got it on that crazy $750 off $1500 or more purchase
[09:06] <xukun> nemik, I too have dell inspirn
[09:06] <hyphenated> (can't rememner the exact chipset name)
[09:06] <monchy> blah arachnaphobia is on
[09:06] <hyphenated> the only thing I have that doesn't work correctly that I care about (don't care about the modem) is the CPU speed control
[09:06] <psychonate> Linux is like the housewife: If you treat her with some respect, she can do so much.
[09:06] <LiberalTugboat> egg, ubuntu.com ubuntuguide.org ubuntuforums.org wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:06] <blackgibson> i started on Slackware 3.something.. done Mandrake, Redhat, various abominations of debian ( though never debian itself ) and now Ubuntu.... Ubuntu is the only non rpm baised distro that has stayed on my disk for longer than a month
[09:07] <psychonate> lol abominations
[09:07] <egg> LiberalTugboat:  I knew it.... But I want more...
[09:07] <blackgibson> and i dont see it getting replaced any time soon
[09:07] <nemik> well gotta try to configure the SMS thing i wanna get working...brb guys
[09:07] <blackgibson> yea, like Corel and Stormix
[09:07] <gh5046> If you don't have monies to spare, just buy used mac hardware.
[09:07] <LiberalTugboat> umm http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu
[09:07] <psychonate> I think my first distro was like Mandrake 8
[09:07] <LiberalTugboat> there is a list of like 20-30 there
[09:07] <egg> LiberalTugboat:  +kbuntu ... anything else?
[09:08] <blackgibson> im thinking of getting an old 1st gen iMac to throw Yellowhat or Ubuntu on for my grandma
[09:08] <blackgibson> cant beat $99
[09:08] <blackgibson> CND that is
[09:08] <psychonate> wow, I guess I've been using Linux for nearly 4 years now
[09:08] <psychonate> and I'm still as ignorant as ever heh
[09:08] <LiberalTugboat> i wish I have been using it that long
[09:09] <LiberalTugboat> I am still a newb :(
[09:09] <gh5046> or cheaper, I was looking at a blueberry g3 333mhz for $70 after shipping.
[09:09] <blackgibson> ive been using as my primary desktop since... er... Redhat 5.1
[09:09] <psychonate> I know enough to get most general tasks done I guess
[09:09] <LiberalTugboat> I have been linux exclusive for about 8 months
[09:09] <blackgibson> whenever that was
[09:09] <juki07> hai
[09:09] <egg> blackgibson:  low price -> ibook g4 (no software) + linux (free) hehe
[09:09] <LiberalTugboat> been playing for about 1.5-2 years
[09:09] <psychonate> I've been able to install Gentoo many times, if that's worth anything lol
[09:09] <blackgibson> id love an ibook
[09:10] <IIIEars> blackgibson - check this week's special on http://www.outpost.com 2.8g HP 256 RAM $299
[09:10] <psychonate> I think over the summer I should try LFS to enhance my learning experience
[09:10] <egg> blackgibson:  maybe cut-down -$600
[09:10] <blackgibson> IIIEars: after exchange and shippping it would be alot more
[09:11] <LiberalTugboat> gh5046, where can you get a deal like that?
[09:11] <blackgibson> that and i avoid HP products
[09:11] <LiberalTugboat> I want a 70 g3 333
[09:11] <egg> blackgibson:  why?
[09:11] <gh5046> ebay
[09:11] <blackgibson> buecause i have bad experience with everything they make besides burners
[09:11] <gh5046> you just have to look hard
[09:12] <blackgibson> have 3 desktops and a couple laptops bork on me bad
[09:12] <cafuego> blackgibson: Their old laserjets rule.
[09:12] <LiberalTugboat> oh ok... im not a big ebay fan
[09:12] <psychonate> I remember when I started using *nix actually: The dollar tree had Quake 3 for Linux at $5 US. I couldn't get the thing to work for the life of me on father's Mandrake box. Then I discovered the miracle of NVIDIA's linux drivers heh
[09:12] <blackgibson> so no HP from now on
[09:12] <IIIEars> ublackgibson - aw why? - HP is wonderful - just run linux on them - grin   (10 disk windows install isn't uncommon.)
[09:12] <egg> LiberalTugboat:  $150 USD
[09:12] <blackgibson> i have an old Sun laseprinter here i can't use
[09:12] <gh5046> The IDE channels in their desktops tend to bork.
[09:13] <psychonate> been using various distros since then
[09:13] <egg> LiberalTugboat:  I will consider it
[09:14] <IIIEars> let's see HP - 1 no agp, 2 no raid, 3 no firewire, 4 no PCIE - hm - ya know you could have something there.
[09:14] <blackgibson> i also am sitting on a bigass Cisco VoIP router i cant do crap with and nobody wants.
[09:16] <gh5046> blackgibson: model?
[09:16] <egg> IIIEars:  hehe nice lite-version
[09:16] <blackgibson> Cisco 6040 i beleive, let me take a look
[09:17] <irfran> hi..........
[09:18] <irfran> hi.
[09:18] <LiberalTugboat> I still want a mac mini to run ubuntu on
[09:18] <LiberalTugboat> or a via embedded system
[09:18] <LiberalTugboat> fanless
[09:18] <blackgibson> gh5046 : 3640 , full of modules
[09:19] <IIIEars> Liberal - convert an xbox -cheaper and well at least you could play a game or two on it.
[09:19] <NicP> i want a mac mini to run tiger on :P
[09:19] <LiberalTugboat> yeah but Xbox is freaking loud
[09:19] <iceman> -*- If Linux doesn't have the solution, you have the wrong problem -*-
[09:19] <IIIEars> okay - lol ya got me there.
[09:19] <LiberalTugboat> I want a silent PC I can leave on 24/7
[09:20] <LiberalTugboat> just for web, chat, DL
[09:20] <LiberalTugboat> my main rig is loud
[09:20] <gh5046> If Linux doesn't have the solution, fix it yourself.  If you don't know how to code, you're screwed and nobody cares.
[09:20] <LiberalTugboat> and bright
[09:20] <NicP> lol
[09:20] <IIIEars> lol
[09:20] <peterretief> LiberalTugboat, the fans make the noise
[09:20] <LiberalTugboat> my PC gives off so much blue light it lights up my entire room
[09:20] <Madpilot> LiberalTugboat: build it yourself! silent rigs are possible - H2O cooling, etc!
[09:20] <egg> iceman:  nice words
[09:21] <LiberalTugboat> my fiance never lets me leave it on
[09:21] <blackgibson> blinged out PC's bug me...
[09:21] <blackgibson> ill take aluminum or nice piano black any day
[09:21] <LiberalTugboat> it would be cheaper to build a mini itx silent system then to mod a PC
[09:21] <iceman> say that on a web site . hat to post it in channel
[09:22] <iceman> shoot, side of my computer right now, 4 fand in the case and it's quite
[09:22] <LiberalTugboat> my dell 1905fp is my bling :) along with my saitek gaming keyboard, and my Antec Super Lan boy
[09:23] <cyphase> Thunderbird is getting podcasting support
[09:23] <egg> LiberalTugboat:  I prefer noblend pc
[09:23] <IIIEars> 4 computers under my desk the sound of fans are the least of my worries. - more worried about being accidently entangled and strangled. - lol
[09:24] <LiberalTugboat> lol @ III
[09:24] <egg> no-blend pc + free bear linux
[09:24] <rg58sma> hi
[09:24] <Madpilot> IIIEars: need a bit of cable management, hey? :)
[09:24] <iceman> IIIEars 2 in my room, both quite.. but the wires may decide to attack anytime ...
[09:24] <rg58sma> someone knows what firewall  is with ubuntu???
[09:25] <egg> no-blend pc + free bear linux + free wireless
[09:25] <IIIEars> I tried color codes but hey it only does so much. - my desk looks like the sci-fi movie "Alien"
[09:25] <egg> totally free
[09:25] <rg58sma> someone knows what firewall  is with ubuntu???
[09:26] <Madpilot> IIIEars: things crawling everywhere, looking for someone to strangle?
[09:26] <IIIEars> rofl - HeE-eElp m-e-e-e! (gach-cough-gasp!)
[09:26] <rg58sma> someone knows what firewall  is with ubuntu???
[09:27] <Madpilot> i wound up just using a loop of electrical tape to "organize" the cables coming out of the back of my tower... does make plugging/unplugging the beast easier!
[09:27] <Myrtti> rg58sma: no firewall installed as default. Linux rarely needs one
[09:27] <Madpilot> rg58sma: look for firestarter in synaptic if you want
[09:27] <blackgibson> my ass it dosent need one
[09:28] <|Ivanch0|> buenos dias
[09:28] <iceman> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/firewall/view?searchterm=firewall
[09:28] <rg58sma> i havent marked
[09:29] <rg58sma> mi problem is with proftpd
[09:31] <LiberalTugboat> damn, i think it is getting close to bed time
[09:31] <pdk001> hi
[09:31] <pdk001> how's going on?
[09:31] <IIIEars> G'nite LiberalTugboat.
[09:32] <TMM> well
[09:32] <TMM> that was relativly painless :)
[09:33] <TMM> fast too
[09:33] <LiberalTugboat> Night all
[09:36] <rg58sma> someone knows what firewall  is with ubuntu???
[09:37] <Madpilot> rg58sma: haven't you already asked the exact same question FOUR times?
[09:37] <gentoon> Firestarter
[09:37] <rg58sma> ok
[09:38] <rg58sma> proftpd
[09:38] <rg58sma> ??
[09:38] <pdk001> are you gentoo user?
[09:38] <gentoon> I use allota different distros
[09:38] <pdk001> gentoo is pretty good like ubuntu
[09:38] <gentoon> firestarter is the best for ubuntu
[09:38] <hannes_> gentoo != good
[09:38] <rg58sma> gentoo??
[09:38] <rg58sma> okkkkk
[09:39] <pdk001> i haven't used gentoo yet
[09:39] <gentoon> gentoo is way more configurable than ubuntu there meant for two different user groups
[09:39] <Guerin> gentoo is a filemanager
[09:39] <rg58sma> when i can installed??
[09:39] <rg58sma> me neather
[09:39] <Guerin> pretty decent one too
[09:39] <gentoon> gentoo is a distro
[09:39] <psychonate> it's both
[09:39] <rg58sma> is to dificil
[09:39] <inva|id> can anyone tell me what software this is: http://www.hells.org/world/Screenshot.png
[09:39] <pdk001> im totaly beginner in linux
[09:39] <psychonate> There is a file manager and a distro
[09:39] <Guerin> psychonate: but the distro's not worth mentioning...
[09:40] <gentoon> pdk001, stay as far asway from gentoo as ya can then
[09:40] <psychonate> actually, I like Gentoo
[09:40] <kvidell> inva|id: GDesktlets, GVim, BMP/XMMS and Gnome.
[09:40] <gentoon> I like it too but its not for newbs
[09:40] <rg58sma> pdk001, i havent access to the inet
[09:40] <inva|id> kvidell: which is the one with code in it?
[09:40] <gentoon> Macintosh is best for offline use
[09:41] <psychonate> bleh
[09:41] <pdk001> linux is harder than M$ everything what do you guys think?
[09:41] <crimsun> inva|id: gvim
[09:41] <Guerin> psychonate: bullshite
[09:41] <pdk001> MAC is for graphic
[09:41] <inva|id> crimsun: thankyou
[09:41] <Guerin> bag
[09:41] <pdk001> M$ is for game
[09:41] <Guerin> sorry
[09:41] <pdk001> linux is for server
[09:41] <gentoon> pdk001, well yea cause windows is intended for idiots, its not configurable in the least
[09:42] <Madpilot> M$ is for viruses. And spyware.
[09:42] <pdk001> lol viruse
[09:42] <cyphase> take a look at www.nexuiz.com
[09:42] <Madpilot> Oh, and the world's crappiest browser...
[09:42] <cyphase> open source first person shooter for windows and mac
[09:42] <cyphase> has a nice engine, the preview looked pretty good
[09:43] <gentoon> if it wasnt for WoW i wouldnt have win on my box at all
[09:43] <pdk001> any one know what this mean " i am what i am because of who we all are" ?
[09:43] <psychonate> gentoon, you can run that now in Cedega I thought
[09:43] <gentoon> you can but its slow
[09:43] <gentoon> even on my Radeon 9800 pro xt 256
[09:43] <psychonate> pdk001, It means you can't interpret things very well.
[09:43] <gentoon> and Cedega is crap and its not free
[09:44] <psychonate> or maybe, like Linux, it's simply too hard for you ;)
[09:44] <gentoon> lol
[09:44] <egg> gentoon:  it's free in B*
[09:44] <pdk001> hm...
[09:44] <gentoon> in B*?
[09:44] <Guerin> eer
[09:45] <gentoon> its free from cvs but its a bitch to install via cvs
[09:45] <egg> gentoon:  *T
[09:45] <egg> gentoon:  h*h*
[09:45] <gentoon> "everyone's goin to the party have a really good time, blowing up the sunshine..."
[09:45] <gentoon> anyone know that song?
[09:46] <pdk001> cedega that downloaded from p2p is work fine ?
[09:46] <gentoon> just rpm, and it wont alien over
[09:46] <egg> gentoon:  which song? openbsd song?
[09:46] <psychonate> pdk001, I believe it is forbidden to discuss anything related to p2p in here.
[09:46] <spanglesontoast> what's procmail?
[09:46] <Guerin> it's not free from cvs
[09:46] <gentoon> no the song i quoted right before i asked
[09:46] <psychonate> well
[09:46] <pdk001> ah i see
[09:46] <psychonate> copyrighted stuff I mean
[09:46] <Guerin> the cvs isn't the same as the payware version; it's a different piece of software
[09:46] <gentoon> Guerin, yes it is i installed it yesterday
[09:46] <nemik> woooohoooo i got smstools to successfully read SMS messages from my nokia 6310i phone! now to make a nice script to interact with my system and i'll be so set
[09:46] <Guerin> you didn't install cedega
[09:46] <psychonate> Guerin, I was referring to his comment
[09:47] <gentoon> Yes i did wtf
[09:47] <gentoon> Yes i did
[09:47] <egg> gentoon:  oh ... I see
[09:47] <gentoon> I am running cedega right now
[09:47] <Guerin> you installed the crippled incomplete cvs version
[09:47] <gentoon> its free via cvs
[09:47] <gentoon> no its complete say as the payware
[09:47] <Guerin> it's NOT THE SAME
[09:47] <gentoon> you just have to build it
[09:47] <gentoon> Yes it is fool
[09:47] <gentoon> I used to pay for Cedega
[09:47] <Guerin> no, there's stuff in the payware version which is under NDA and can't be free'd
[09:47] <nemik> have a good night guys and thanks for all your help
[09:47] <pdk001> 477 people here..
[09:48] <egg> gentoon:  how much?
[09:48] <gentoon> I know it's the exact same thing, its not crippled its the latest unstable build
[09:48] <egg> pdk001:  bad numbers
[09:48] <psychonate> er, then why don't you just play WoW in Cedega
[09:48] <gentoon> wrong wrong wrong
[09:48] <gentoon> Because like i said its slow
[09:48] <pdk001> what?
[09:48] <spanglesontoast> why you moaning you have to pay for wow anyway
[09:48] <gentoon> even with the best card on the market i onl;y get 13 fps at 1280
[09:48] <psychonate> you never said it was slow heh
[09:49] <pdk001> 0 ops, 477people here
[09:49] <gentoon> I don't pay for WoW
[09:49] <spanglesontoast> borrowed?
[09:49] <gentoon> yea i did i said it was slow even on my radeon 9800 pro ct 256
[09:49] <gentoon> look in the buffer
[09:49] <egg> gentoon:  me too .... because I'm a poor man
[09:49] <gentoon> xt*
[09:49] <spanglesontoast> I take it you cannot play online?
[09:49] <gentoon> Yea i can
[09:49] <pdk001> i dont know how to set wine up as well in english
[09:49] <spanglesontoast> it's cracked too?
[09:50] <gentoon> the free servers are more populated than the official ones anyways
[09:50] <pdk001> and on one teach me how it is
[09:50] <spanglesontoast> ah
[09:50] <gentoon> No i just connect to the free servers
[09:50] <spanglesontoast> was it a torrent/
[09:50] <spanglesontoast> ?
[09:50] <egg> gentoon: a free account?
[09:50] <gentoon> No i bought the game
[09:50] <pdk001> so i use M$ for having a game and TV
[09:50] <gentoon> i dont pay a subscription
[09:50] <gentoon> not a free account
[09:50] <gentoon> free servers
[09:50] <spanglesontoast> hmm
[09:50] <inva|id> How do I get files that are (Converted from DOS format) into a native unix format?
[09:50] <gentoon> unofficial ones
[09:50] <spanglesontoast> does it come with a cd key?
[09:51] <gentoon> yea, its an official version
[09:51] <egg> gentoon: private server?
[09:51] <pdk001> this is reason i still using M$
[09:51] <gentoon> i bought it
[09:51] <gentoon> there open to anyone
[09:51] <bmarks> hi there
[09:51] <bmarks> first time here
[09:51] <bmarks> need some help please
[09:51] <spanglesontoast> hmm I wonder so I could play it without buying it
[09:51] <spanglesontoast> :D
[09:52] <egg> gentoon: oss totally free game servers?
[09:52] <pdk001> vmware is great application though, too expansive to get it
[09:52] <gentoon> you need a different CD key than anyone else on the network including official servers
[09:52] <spanglesontoast> hmm
[09:52] <egg> gentoon: how?
[09:53] <nobile> bmarks, just ask =(
[09:53] <nobile> =)
[09:53] <gentoon> what ya mean "how"
[09:53] <egg> gentoon: get a serial number?
[09:53] <gentoon> like i said, i bought a leggit version from the store, i just dont pay the subscription
[09:53] <egg> gentoon: ...
[09:54] <egg> gentoon: single mode? oh my
[09:54] <gentoon> what?
[09:54] <gentoon> No
[09:54] <bmarks> i have just installed ubuntu
[09:54] <bmarks> and i want to connect to the other PC's on the network
[09:55] <egg> bmarks:  dhcp or static?
[09:55] <bmarks> static
[09:55] <egg> bmarks:  $ping localhost
[09:56] <JP> Hi all. Does anybody know a good (complete) apt repository list for Hoary?
[09:56] <gentoon_> ooops
[09:56] <gentoon_> You dont have to buy a subscription to get a cdkey
[09:56] <spanglesontoast> ah
[09:57] <egg> bmarks:  o.o go ahead
[09:57] <bmarks> and that would be the domain controller?
[09:57] <egg> bmarks:  what "controller"?
[09:58] <egg> bmarks:  you do not need any "controller"
[09:58] <bmarks> what is the localhost then?
[09:59] <egg> bmarks:  testing your tcp/ip stack
[10:00] <egg> bmarks:  next... $ping <gateway ip>
[10:00] <inva|id> is there a tool to convert a file from DOS format to unix?
[10:01] <hardcampa-> dos2unix
[10:02] <egg> ... useless
[10:02] <inva|id> thanks i'll try that
[10:02] <egg> it's not "format"
[10:03] <psychonate> What exatly is he trying to convert?
[10:03] <inva|id> egg than explain this message: [ Read 799 lines (Converted from DOS format) ] 
[10:03] <inva|id> a php script
[10:03] <psychonate> Had you mentioned that previously?
[10:03] <inva|id> when I edit with vi I get strange characters
[10:03] <egg> it's a very easy commonsense...
[10:04] <egg> nothing to say
[10:04] <psychonate> well, I'm going to sleep
[10:04] <hardcampa-> of-course it's "format"
[10:05] <davide> ciao a tutti
[10:05] <inva|id> and dos2unix fixed it perfectly
[10:05] <inva|id> thankyou
[10:05] <nobile> ciao
[10:05] <davide> qualcuno di voi usa un pc AMD
[10:05] <hardcampa-> =)
[10:05] <davide> ?
[10:05] <hardcampa-> try english
[10:05] <nobile> no =P
[10:06] <davide> ho problemi di video e audio
[10:06] <nobile> something about if any of us uses an AMD pc
[10:06] <bmarks> i can see all the pc's on the network i just cant access them.
[10:06] <davide> yes,exactly .)
[10:06] <nobile> he has problems with audio and video
[10:06] <hardcampa-> He just declared war on the states I think
[10:06] <davide> i'm using a AMD
[10:06] <nobile> yay I can stranslate italian ^^
[10:06] <davide> yes
[10:07] <davide> non serve grazie
[10:07] <nobile> and haha I don't know it
[10:07] <nobile> spanish rocks ^_^
[10:07] <davide> pensavo fossero solo italiani
[10:07] <davide> :)
[10:07] <nobile> pensavo fossero?
[10:07] <nobile> =P
[10:07] <davide> ok, now..I have some problems with audio and video settings
[10:07] <nobile> you knew=
[10:07] <nobile> soemthing like that?
[10:08] <hardcampa-> davide there's always #ubuntu-it otherwise
[10:08] <davide> video works only on 800x600 resolution
[10:08] <davide> and audio simply doesn't weok
[10:08] <davide> work,sorry
[10:09] <TMM> sooo... anyone know how I can import email into evolution that is stored in maildir format?
[10:09] <davide> but it all works fine on my bro pc (pentium)
[10:09] <Madpilot> davide: for the video: did you start your PC with the monitor turned off? If you did, Ubuntu will default to 800x640...
[10:10] <davide> it not that problem...the problem is that the avalaible resolutions are only 800x600 and 640x480
[10:10] <Anubis>  /etc/init.d/powernowd start
[10:10] <Anubis> This processor "AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1800+" is known _not_ to support power-saving.
[10:11] <Anubis> thats just not true
[10:11] <davide> i have a AMD Athlon XP 1600+
[10:11] <crimsun> davide: what sound card?
[10:11] <bmarks> can anyone please help me connect Ubuntu to other pc's on my domain?
[10:12] <egg> how?
[10:12] <davide> just a moment
[10:13] <egg> bmarks:  RTFM - http://ubuntuguide.org/ <- networking
[10:14] <davide> AC 97 audio card
[10:14] <Anubis> davide, and does the same error appear on your machine?
[10:14] <egg> bmarks:  Read The Friendly Manual
[10:14] <davide> no,nothing
[10:14] <davide> audio simply doesn't work
[10:15] <crimsun> davide: paste the output of amixer onto http://pastebin.com
[10:15] <egg> davide:  root only?
[10:15] <davide> (ehm...I'm a newbie of Ubuntu guys/girls...so,be patient...:)
[10:16] <davide> sudo amixer?
[10:17] <crimsun> davide: no, just amixer
[10:17] <crimsun> davide: paste to pastebin.com
[10:17] <bmarks> thanks
[10:18] <egg> davide: it is for you ^-^ http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[10:18] <egg> bmarks:  ^-^
[10:19] <egg> bmarks:  KISS rules - "keep it simple stupid"
[10:20] <Madpilot> bmarks: some of Ubuntu's friendly manuals: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage   http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[10:20] <Echelon-H> egg, lol
[10:20] <imsdle> my computer freezes when i go the the computer menu and then try and access the Desktop preferences or the system configuraiton menu
[10:20] <egg> Echelon-H:  hehe ^-^
[10:20] <crimsun> davide: unmute PCM and mute IEC958 Capture Monitor
[10:20] <imsdle> any ideas
[10:20] <mpq> how do I watch dvds on my computer?
[10:20] <mpq> is there a program or something?
[10:20] <davide> ok, i posted the output of amixer in pastebin.com
[10:21] <davide> ...
[10:21] <crimsun> davide: see above instructions.
[10:21] <davide> how can i do that?(newbie,rebember? :)
[10:21] <egg> mpq: there is a "Myth"
[10:22] <Echelon-H> what's the package name of thunderbird?
[10:22] <peterretief> mpq, you need the codecs
[10:22] <crimsun> davide: open a Terminal, and in it type: amixer sset 'PCM' on; amixer sset 'IEC958 Capture Monitor' off
[10:22] <mpq> how do I get them?
[10:22] <crimsun> Echelon-H: mozilla-thunderbird
[10:22] <bigfoot> Hello everyone, I'm a newbie. I am trying to open a .rar file which i downloaded, but Archive-Manager says "Could not open 'foo.rar"  .   Archive type not supported. Can anyone tell me what's wrong, and whether we can somehow correct the file? THank you
[10:22] <egg> mpq: oh many codecs ..... liboxox
[10:22] <mpq> is there a package or something?
[10:22] <peterretief> not sure, google
[10:23] <Echelon-H> Hmmm, is there any games/graphics support channel over here?
[10:23] <japoeder> does anyone know what repository mplayer is in?  If anyone has used it, does it work well as a plug-in for Mozilla?
[10:24] <egg> mpq: get a all-in-one codec
[10:24] <davide> done, now?
[10:24] <crimsun> bigfoot: enable the multiverse repo, and install unrar-nonfree
[10:24] <crimsun> davide: your sound should work
[10:25] <davide> just a minute...
[10:25] <crimsun> japoeder: mplayer-$arch is in multiverse, but you'll need codecs from debian-marillat's testing
[10:26] <Echelon-H> why can't I play CDs in the CD player?
[10:26] <Echelon-H> it just won't start the CD
[10:27] <bigfoot> crimsun, thank you so much! should i also install unrar?
[10:27] <peterretief> you would prabably need to enable universal in /etc/apt/sources
[10:27] <japoeder> hmmm...I seem to only universe.  Where can I find the URIs for these repositories?
[10:28] <davide> crimsun: ok, great! thank you very much, the sound works...but I have no codec for mp3...I'll try by myself to install them...
[10:28] <crimsun> bigfoot: no need; unrar-nonfree has its functionality
[10:28] <japoeder> I mean apt
[10:28] <bigfoot> crimsun, okay. THank you so much! I thought that the .rar file was somehow corrupted. 8-)
[10:28] <crimsun> davide: gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:28] <Echelon-H> can I use gmail as pop3?
[10:28] <imsdle> my computer freezes when i go the the computer menu and then try and access the Desktop preferences or the system configuraiton menu
[10:29] <davide> oh, thank you again
[10:29] <fbtab> hi all
[10:29] <egg> hi fbtab
[10:29] <fbtab> can one install ubuntu from ftp or http? but specify a custom server to fetch packages off. not one of the mirrors, but a local internal server..?
[10:29] <egg> what's your.....joke ^_^
[10:29] <davide> ok...I'm sorry
[10:30] <davide> what's gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:30] <davide> ?
[10:30] <crimsun> davide: it's a package name
[10:30] <crimsun> you need it for mp3 support for gstreamer-based applications like Music Player (Rhythmbox)
[10:30] <fbtab> in other words, keep a server with the release files, and have all clients install from it..?
[10:31] <davide> so....dpkg [pakage-name] 
[10:31] <egg> crimsun:  ha.ha..
[10:31] <bigfoot> crimsun, you know what i just finished installin unrar-nonfree, and i still get the same error message. Do i need to restart Ubuntu?
[10:31] <Echelon-H> what's the command to see how much space I got on my hdd?
[10:31] <fbtab> Echelon-H: df -h
[10:31] <crimsun> bigfoot: no
[10:32] <crimsun> bigfoot: you could just use unrar from the command line
[10:32] <bigfoot> please teach me how to do that, crimsun.
[10:32] <crimsun> bigfoot: open a Terminal, and in it type: unrar
[10:33] <crimsun> bigfoot: that will give you a list of options to use with the unrar command
[10:33] <imsdle> is there anyway to rebuild the menus?
[10:33] <davide> crimsun: ok..now I must go..thank you very much for the tips, I'm a beginner and I need a lot of support for these first steps....
[10:33] <revelater> is their some software i can get for easy DJing?
[10:34] <davide> crimsun: thank you again...bye
[10:34] <davide> bye all
[10:34] <fbtab> when anyone has some info for my q, please msg me. thanks.
[10:35] <Madpilot> g'night, everyone.
[10:35] <toha> hallo..................!
[10:35] <revelater> is their any type of dj software?
[10:36] <revelater> something with which i can easily screw with songs
[10:36] <bigfoot> crimsun, i tried this command: unrar /home/me/path/to/file/foo.rar e but nothing happens.
[10:37] <_linuxAS_> morning
[10:37] <toha> morning !
[10:38] <revelater> morning? where do you live? asutralia?
[10:38] <bigfoot> can anyone tell me the most basic command i can use to unrar a .rar file?
[10:38] <_linuxAS_> spain
[10:38] <Jurku> bigfoot: unrar x foo.rar
[10:38] <nobile> all europe has morning atm
[10:38] <A-z-i-z> how do i show what is the duplex (10 or 100 MB) of my network interface ?
[10:39] <toha> I live indonesia
[10:39] <revelater> _linuxAS_: SPAIN!!! if only you didn't elect that communist
[10:39] <bigfoot> Jurku, it's asking for a password! what do i enter?
[10:39] <Jurku> bigfoot: I don't really know your archive's password
[10:40] <nobile> your password?
[10:40] <revelater> toha: isn't that where all the ram in the world is made?
[10:40] <revelater> toha: or like %95
[10:40] <_linuxAS_> revelater, what?
[10:40] <bigfoot> hmmm. is there a way to get one's way into a passwordprotected .rar file? It's not really necessary, but it will save me the trouble of the whole process again.
[10:41] <Methynutnut> bigfoot: entering the password would be a good start
[10:41] <revelater> bigfoot: ask the source
[10:41] <bigfoot> revelater, okay. will do.
[10:41] <nobile> wb
[10:42] <revelater> wb?
[10:42] <nobile> to the ones that quit and came back
[10:42] <nobile> "welcome back"
[10:42] <Echelon-H> how can I play cd with xmms?
[10:42] <revelater> ooh
[10:42] <nobile> just being polite =P
[10:45] <jono> hi folks
[10:45] <revelater> Echelon-H: try rigth clicking the window and selecting play directory...
[10:45] <revelater> he quit
[10:45] <jono> for some reason, when I plug a usb keyring or digital camera in, it is no longer automounted and no longer pops up a window
[10:45] <jono> any idea why?
[10:45] <transgress> revelater: why for?
[10:45] <Fator_Dee> jono: check the config for automounting
[10:45] <revelater> transgress: TRANS!!! longtime no.... type
[10:46] <Fator_Dee> jono: it's somewhere in "System" :-p
[10:46] <transgress> yeah i've been working, talking to my girlfriend at night, and then smoking pot... so i haven't remembered to get on here before i do any of that.
[10:46] <Fator_Dee> removable drives perhaps
[10:46] <transgress> how are you revelater ... well besides sad
[10:46] <nobile> nighties everyone
[10:46] <transgress> nighty
[10:46] <revelater> transgress: HAPPY! :P
[10:46] <jono> ahhh cool
[10:46] <revelater> night
[10:46] <nobile> =)+
[10:47] <transgress> revelater: cool.  i'm just relaxing...
[10:47] <revelater> transgress: actually tired.. its like... 2 in the morning here
[10:47] <transgress> revelater: almost 4am here... i need to head down to sleep too
[10:48] <revelater> transgress: lol, you in eastern time?
[10:49] <revelater> transgress: you know that is the perfect time to walk into a 7-11 and pretend to be in a cheap chinese movie with poor mouth overs
[10:49] <revelater> but it has to make no sense
[10:50] <revelater> the clerk will check himself into an insane assylum, garunteed
[10:50] <revelater> can't spell tonigt
[10:50] <revelater> ist gttin wrose
[10:50] <revelater> crps
[10:51] <revelater> anywho i am getting some sleep now gnight all
[10:51] <revelater> that was coherent....
[10:51] <nubs> newbie here needs help!
[10:53] <nubs> ?
[10:53] <nubs> anybody here?
[10:53] <Jurku> nubs: just ask
[10:54] <nubs> i need php apache and mysql how do i do that?
[10:54] <onno> Hello my Ubuntu is on work on a Windows network. How can I reach the s: drive and so on this network?
[10:55] <cedjo> nubs:with synaptic, choose the packages and install
[10:56] <cyphase> bbl
[10:56] <nubs> i tried it already i could find php... is it included in the cd? i dont have internet connection at home
[10:57] <ABRAXAS77> hello
[10:57] <ABRAXAS77> somebody know how can I copy from my ubuntu file to my freebsd?,they are in lan
[10:58] <egg> hello ... speak a joke first
[10:58] <cyphase> come on guys, stop bad mouthing Seveas
[10:58] <cyphase> hey Seveas
[10:58] <ABRAXAS77> plz
[10:58] <nubs> help?!
[10:58] <onno> I'm sorry I accendtly closed xchat
[10:58] <ABRAXAS77> i need copy file from ubuntu to frebsd
[10:59] <onno> Can somebody tell me how to reach a windows network with ubuntu. I need to acces S: drive etc...
[10:59] <egg> ABRAXAS77:  mount?
[10:59] <Jurku> ABRAXAS77: do you have any servers installed?
[10:59] <ABRAXAS77> no...only ssh
[10:59] <Jurku> ABRAXAS77: then use scp
[10:59] <egg> ABRAXAS77:  ssh +scp
[10:59] <ABRAXAS77> scp user@ip:directory remote /directory local?
[11:00] <ABRAXAS77> first ssh?
[11:00] <Jurku> ABRAXAS77: no, just use the scp command...
[11:00] <egg> ABRAXAS77:  hehe
[11:01] <ABRAXAS77> scp user@ip:directory remote /directory local?
[11:01] <Seveas> onno, go to places->connect to server
[11:01] <Seveas> ABRAXAS77, no
[11:02] <Seveas> scp user@ip:directory/file_remote directory/file_local
[11:02] <Seveas> like: scp root@ubuntumachine:/etc/passwd /etc/passwd
[11:02] <ABRAXAS77> thanks
[11:03] <Seveas> ABRAXAS77, 'man scp' can help too :)
[11:03] <cedjo> nubs: normally php is on your CD
[11:03] <k31th> how would i create a symlink from my usb bluetooth dongle to /dev/rfcomm0 ??
[11:03] <Seveas> k31th, is the dongle somewhere in dev already?
[11:03] <k31th> Seveas: wel it works so i guess so
[11:03] <nubs> so when i install apache the php is already there?
[11:04] <k31th> if i lsusb its there
[11:04] <Seveas> k31th, hehe, well: sudo ln -s /dev/WHAT_IT_IS_NOW /dev/rfcomm0 will do
[11:04] <k31th> on bus 001
[11:04] <cedjo> nubs: no it must appear in the package list
[11:04] <saber_> Hmm... anyone have experience with partimage? Is it a reliable application?
[11:05] <Seveas> nubs, you need to install libapache2-php4
[11:05] <nubs> but i coudnt find it. im using 5.04 anyway..
[11:06] <Seveas> ah, it's libapache2-mod-php4
[11:07] <ajar> hi
[11:07] <zace> rele
[11:08] <damien_> Bonjour a tous
[11:08] <ajar> hei gwa ikutan
[11:15] <spanglesontoast> anyone alive
[11:15] <onno> Seveas, I need to install samba first?
[11:20] <spanglesontoast> does anyone know what wireless cards ubuntu supports?
[11:21] <floater_> I am interested also
[11:22] <daan> Hello
[11:25] <daan> Can anybody help with a problem?
[11:29] <TMM> hi all!
[11:30] <TMM> can someone tell me how I can change the default spellcheck thingy? it's set to english now, as is my gnome (that's what I want) but I'd like my spellchecking to be done in duch (and preferably in english TOO, but I'm not sure that's possible)
[11:30] <Seveas> tmm, install language-support-nl
[11:31] <sonet13> alo
[11:31] <TMM> Seveas, that won't change my entire gnome to dutch I hope? I hate dutch in my interfaces :)
[11:31] <Seveas> tmm, /me too
[11:32] <Seveas> you should edit /etc/environment
[11:32] <TMM> Seveas, cool, bedankt :) will it still spellcheck in english too?
[11:32] <Seveas> LANG=nl_NL.UTF-8
[11:32] <Seveas> LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8
[11:32] <Seveas> that's mine
[11:33] <Seveas> TMM, it cannot spellcheck in both languages at the same time, but both dictionaries will be available
[11:33] <TMM> Seveas, cool, so gnome will still be in english then?
[11:33] <Seveas> yes
[11:33] <TMM> Seveas, great!
[11:33] <Seveas> all interfaces will be in english
[11:33] <Seveas> but dutch time and monetary notation will be used
[11:35] <Seveas> TMM, and join #ubuntu-nl too once in a while ;)
[11:36] <bigfoot> hi,i'm a newbie.  i'd like to know how to play bin/cue files on my computer. Do i need to mount it?
[11:36] <Seveas> bigfoot, you can convert it to an .iso file with bchunk and mount that isofile
[11:37] <bigfoot> Seveas, can i just mount it as is, or do i need to convert to iso first?
[11:37] <Seveas> and maybe nautilus (the explorer-program) can browse through bin/cue files too, bu ti'm not sure about that
[11:37] <Seveas> bigfoot, only .iso files can be mounted
[11:38] <cafuego> bigfoot: You can use bchunk to convert it to .iso
[11:38] <bigfoot> Seveas, okay. i think i may have asked the wrong first question. It's not important whether I can mount or not. I just want to know how to access the bin/cue files on my computer.
[11:38] <cafuego> bigfoot: Burn them with 'cdrdao' or convert to iso, then mount.
[11:38] <Seveas> bigfoot, try accessing it with nautilus or the archive manager
[11:40] <spanglesontoast> is there a listing of alll compatible wireless cards?
[11:40] <bigfoot> Seveas, i'm not sure what you mean by "accessing them via nautilus." But in Nautilus, I doubleclicked on the bin file, and i get an error message: "Could not display /home/foo.bin"
[11:43] <Myrtti> is there any hope of getting gimpshop for Ubuntu?
[11:45] <bigfoot> Seveas, i got bchunk. Could you kindly tell me the command i should use?
[11:45] <bigfoot> Command string...
[11:46] <Seveas> man bchunk
[11:46] <Seveas> :)
[11:46] <TMM> bigfoot, it's rather easy, just type 'bchunk' and it'll tell you what to do
[11:47] <bigfoot> TMM,  i did, and my mouth just drops!
[11:47] <TMM> bigfoot, ok, just a sec
[11:47] <Seveas> bchunk foo.bin foo.cue
[11:47] <Seveas> that should do it
[11:47] <TMM> Seveas, bchunk foo.bin foo.cue foo
[11:47] <Seveas> bchunk foo.bin foo.cue foo
[11:48] <Seveas> heh :)
[11:48] <bigfoot> for VCD/SVCD, is converting to .iso necessary? Can't a media player play the bin/cue movie files?
[11:48] <TMM> Seveas, prutser :P
[11:48] <Seveas> bigfoot, hmm, maybe mplayer can
[11:48] <TMM> bigfoot, I *think* that mplayer can
[11:49] <bigfoot> how about vtk (or is it vim)?
[11:49] <egg> loop device?
[11:49] <Seveas> vim is an editor
[11:49] <Seveas> vtk is a programming toolkit
[11:49] <TMM> bigfoot, vim isn't going to be a very good movie player :)
[11:49] <Seveas> vlc is a media player :)
[11:50] <bigfoot> VLC, yes, that's right! will vlc play bin/cue ?
[11:50] <norm_> yes it will :)
[11:50] <egg> vim with media player ... you must be crazy?
[11:50] <norm_> on windows it will anyways :P
[11:50] <norm_> never got to testing on linux
[11:50] <egg> vim is .... emacs II
[11:51] <egg> ^-^
[11:51] <bigfoot> egg, you said "vim with media player"... is there any other combination?
[11:51] <egg> no?
[11:52] <kori[idiot] > vlc = videolan player
[11:52] <kori[idiot] > and it will play whatever you feed it with, anyways
[11:52] <kori[idiot] > its a monster.
[11:52] <egg> vim could make coffee, like emacs
[11:52] <bigfoot> vlc works. but when i'm playing the bin/cue file, i get pink/blue streaks flashing! how can i get a clearer picture?
[11:52] <kori[idiot] > mm
[11:53] <kori[idiot] > i recall i had some problem like that in a while
[11:53] <kori[idiot] > i think i fixed it with reboot:)
[11:53] <bigfoot> kori[idiot] , so i guess vlc should be the first choice  when i want to play media files...
[11:53] <bigfoot> is a reboot necessary?
[11:53] <kori[idiot] > never found out what the cause was but after i removed a hdd i tried playing and voila it was fixed
[11:53] <kori[idiot] > well dunno, thats how i fixed it..
[11:54] <kori[idiot] > mm, well its definitely my first choice for all kinds of video.
[11:54] <djp> can anybody tell me whether i need to install obexserver in order to use gnome-bluetooth?
[11:55] <bigfoot> I've already changed  "gstreamer-properties"--> Default Sink: Output to "XWindows (No Xv)". ANd when I played a movie clip, the streaks were out. But when I exited the media player and played it again, the blue/pink streaks reappeared.
[11:55] <egg> djp:  nice try
[11:55] <djp> i have bluez-utils and gnome-bluetooth installed. do i also need obexserver installed to get bluetooth working under hoary?
[11:55] <turf> if a installed a package where would that package go? /usr/src?
[11:56] <djp> egg: :) sorry?
[11:56] <egg> bigfoot:  ^-^
[11:56] <egg> bigfoot:  I can not help you...
[11:56] <Seveas> ztonzy, for hoary: never
[11:56] <bigfoot> Seveas?
[11:56] <ztonzy> Seveas, ack
[11:56] <bigfoot> may i have your thoughts, please?
[11:56] <Seveas> bigfoot, me neither, i'm not a media-guy
[11:57] <Seveas> i play dvd's on my stand-alone dvd player :)
[11:57] <bigfoot> i see.
[11:57] <bigfoot> 8)
[11:57] <egg> over-price dvd devices
[11:58] <egg> I just need a ripper ...
[11:59] <mof> hi
[11:59] <egg> hi .... speak a joke at first
[11:59] <egg> it's rule
[12:00] <egg> ^-^
[12:00] <mof> egg, you need a ripper ?
[12:00] <mof> for dvd
[12:00] <egg> dvd ripper
[12:00] <mof> transcode
[12:01] <egg> or vcd ripper
[12:01] <mof> take transcode
[12:01] <egg> I am happy with xvid format
[12:01] <mof> many formats
[12:02] <egg> no dvd,vcd,drm something
[12:02] <mof> yes transcode is the most used ripper at linux
[12:02] <mof> many features and the gui is dvd:rip
[12:03] <mof> google for it
[12:03] <egg> xvid in HDD <- nice
[12:03] <egg> I will try,thanks.
[12:07] <djp> ok, for anyone interested... yes obexserver is needed for bluetooth use and is utilised by gnome-bluetooth.
[12:15] <lamp_> hoi
[12:17] <phloww> hi folks
[12:18] <phloww> i have a tricky problem, not really ubuntu related, its moreover to lilo and raid-1
[12:20] <phloww> i boot my system with lilo from md0 (raid-1 softraid)
[12:21] <phloww> i added 2 scsi-disks (scsi-id's are correct), but now lilo doesnt boot anymore
[12:21] <phloww> i tried to boot my system with the new scsi disks unpartitioned - that worked
[12:21] <tanek> reinstall lilo?
[12:21] <phloww> but if i partion them (no boot flag set) i cant boot anymore
[12:23] <phloww> i have to reinstall lilo if i add scsi-devices not used in the system?
[12:28] <we2by> I tried apt-get remove mplayer
[12:28] <we2by> and I got mplayer packet not found
[12:28] <we2by> but I have it on my box
[12:28] <we2by> how do I remove it?
[12:29] <phloww> apt-get remove --purge mplayer
[12:29] <thenuke> how can I remotely login into Ubuntus gnome?
[12:29] <peterretief> hey how do i get mod_fcgi to work with apache2
[12:30] <mof> phloww, 'whereis mplayer'
[12:31] <Jurku> thenuke: use vnc
[12:31] <phloww> mof, maybe you installed mplayer-386 ?
[12:32] <phloww> mof, start up synaptic and search for packets named mplayer
[12:32] <phloww> and deinstall it
[12:32] <mof> phloww, sorry, i mean we2by
[12:33] <mof> i havent a problem
[12:33] <ffranck> hello. Can ubuntu mount in rw ntfs partition ?
[12:34] <mof> ffranck, read yes but write is very experimental
[12:35] <ffranck> thanks mof. I've managed to mount my partion in ro but only root can read it. Is it normal ?
[12:35] <thenuke> Jurku: that does not allow me to log in remotely
[12:35] <mof> ffranck, edit fstab
[12:36] <Jurku> thenuke: well, it allows you to use the gnome desktop remotely
[12:36] <thenuke> Jurku: well, that is not what I asked for :)
[12:36] <Jurku> ah :)
[12:36] <thenuke> Jurku: It allows me to takeover some users desktop
[12:37] <thenuke> and I'm not always able to do that when I would need to do some things in the desktop rather than in shell with ssh
[12:37] <thenuke> :-/
[12:37] <thenuke> VNC is better than nothing though
[12:38] <mof> ffranck, edit fstab
[12:39] <ffranck> i have done it
[12:39] <Jurku> thenuke: then you have to use xdmcp, i think
[12:39] <ffranck> i put user in fstab option
[12:40] <ffranck> only root can read the ntfs and he can't change permission
[12:41] <thenuke> Jurku: ok thanks, I will look forward into that
[12:41] <Methynutnut> ffranck: remember that you only get readonly support for ntfs
[12:41] <mof> ffranck, show the fstabline
[12:41] <thenuke> you need to have umask=022 option in fstab if I remember right
[12:42] <we2by> I get a very bad sound quality
[12:42] <we2by> is this my hardware? or sofwtare?
[12:44] <ffranck> dev/hda5	/mnt/winC	ntfs	user,ro	   0	0
[12:44] <ffranck> only root can see and mount it
[12:46] <raDeon> fuckers
[12:46] <raDeon> this god damn channel tab is always blue when i wake up
[12:46] <mof> ffranck, change user..... into  : defaults,umask=0000
[12:46] <raDeon> you fuckers always talking about me behind my back
[12:46] <ffranck> ok i test it thanks mof
[12:47] <tremere> i just installed Ubuntu on my machine, replacing Mepis.  how come my dialup internet connection is so slow?
[12:47] <raDeon> tremere, cuz dialup is for retards
[12:48] <tremere> i'm using the 'network settings' tool found in the administration menu
[12:49] <havard> as
[12:49] <egg> nasm
[12:52] <tremere> raDeon, please be nice little one....i have no choice but to use dialup.....
[12:55] <raDeon> tremere, is it nice to go around calling people little one?
[12:55] <raDeon> I DON'T LIKE THAT SHIT
[12:55] <raDeon> so you shut your stupid mouth
[12:55] <raDeon> you fucking noob.
[12:55] <tremere> raDeon, is it nice to call dialup users retards?
[12:55] <lok> tremere: raDeon is a bot just ignore it
[12:56] <raDeon> lok, i will impale you on my staircase railing in a minute
[12:56] <tremere> lok,  a very STUPID bot, i might add :)
[12:56] <thenuke> is it really?
[12:56] <lok> he's ban from some channel
[12:56] <thenuke> I would not believe that there would be allowed that stupid bots nor users
[12:57] <tremere> lok good observation :)
[12:57] <tremere> yes, it is, thenuke :)
[12:58] <Seveas> raDeon: Please keed the code of conduct in mind when chatting here. You can find it at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[12:58] <raDeon> what d oes keed mean
[12:59] <chris__> Hi, was wondering if anyone could help. I upgraded my distro of Ubuntu last night from v4 to v5 (warty
[12:59] <raDeon> what d oes your mother say every night
[12:59] <chris__>                 -> hoary) and php4 seems to be running fine with apache2, but
[12:59] <chris__>                 when i try to connect to a mysql_database it returns nothing to
[12:59] <chris__>                 my browser and using it in a shell it returns  Call to
[12:59] <raDeon> chill out chris__
[12:59] <raDeon> jesus
[12:59] <chris__> sorry, typed all that in a php forum, psting didnt work
[12:59] <tremere> raDeon, you really should calm it
[01:00] <thenuke> Take a prozac ;D
[01:00] <chris__> I'll try that again... I upgraded my distro of Ubuntu last night from v4 to v5 (warty-> hoary) and php4 seems to be running fine with apache2, butwhen i try to connect to a mysql_database it returns nothing to my browser and using it in a shell it returns  Call to undefined function:  mysql_connect()
[01:01] <Seveas> chris__, install the php4-mysql module...
[01:01] <chris__> it is installed
[01:01] <Seveas> make sure it is loaded then...
[01:01] <chris__> and mysql.so is added to the php.ini
[01:01] <Seveas> in php.ini
[01:01] <Seveas> hmm
[01:01] <chris__> and i've even tried setting the extension_dir to where it is
[01:01] <Seveas> with the correct path?
[01:02] <Seveas> any other errors from apache logs (iirc php will spit out errors there about modules it cannot load)
[01:02] <chris__> though on warty i didnt have to set the extesion_dir
[01:02] <tremere> Seveas, could one of his packages gotten broken in the upgrade?
[01:02] <Seveas> tremere, possibly, but unlikely
[01:02] <selinium> I am trying to connect to www.phpfreaks.com any browser (including LYNX!) and cannot connect. There doesn't appear to be a problem with a windows machine. Any ideas?
[01:02] <Seveas> i think that a config file has been changed
[01:02] <chris__> nothing in the apache logs as far as i can see
[01:02] <schasi> selinium: can you ping it?
[01:02] <schasi> May be a dns problem
[01:03] <Seveas> chris__, maybe remove --purge php & php-mysql will help
[01:03] <Seveas> of course, with reinstalling after that
[01:03] <tremere> selinium, have you already asked in #phpfreaks (I think there is a channel for it)?
[01:03] <chris__> i asked in phphelp on EFNet
[01:03] <selinium> schasi: Can't seem to ping it.
[01:03] <Seveas> chris__, the site works fine here
[01:03] <chris__> apt-get remove --purge?
[01:04] <selinium> tremere: have tried but it has never got any 'live' users
[01:04] <Seveas> chris__, wat does 'dig www.phpfreaks.net' say?
[01:04] <chris__> the site works fine, php4 works fine, it's mysql on php4
[01:04] <chris__> oh, it's not me having the phpfreaks.net problem
[01:04] <Seveas> chris__, the site works fine here <-- sorry i meant someone else there
[01:05] <schasi> selinium: Do you have a router?
[01:05] <selinium> Seveas: That was my point, it seems to work from other linux machines as well :(
[01:05] <selinium> schasi: nope. just a cable modem!
[01:05] <schasi> How do you know it works from other linux machines if you got only one cable modem?
[01:05] <Seveas> chris__, i think some configuration things have changed so you either need to manually figure them out or remove both php and mysql with the --purge option to remove config files and reinstall them after that to get the new config
[01:06] <selinium> schasi: I am running firestarter but i cant find any reason why it would block the freaks site.
[01:06] <Seveas> selinium, what does dig www.phpfreaks.net say?
[01:06] <paringas> hi, guys, when im putting my notebook into suspend everything works fine, but klaptop doesnt turn the backlight off for some reason??? and ideas on how to fix it? thanks a lot
[01:06] <schasi> Does only the freaks site not work or other pages as well?
[01:06] <chris__> ok, i purged php4-mysql, and re-installed it
[01:06] <schasi> to a mtr (my trace route) to it
[01:07] <chris__> restarted apache, and nothing
[01:07] <selinium> Seveas: it is www.phpfreaks.com... I will look.
[01:07] <schasi> And try http://64.40.102.44
[01:08] <tombs> hi ppl
[01:08] <chris__> what's the command to find out what apps you have installed?
[01:08] <schasi> dpkg -l <appname>
[01:08] <Seveas> dpkg -l
[01:08] <selinium> Seveas: results at #flood
[01:08] <Seveas> that gives'm all
[01:08] <Seveas> selinium, i'm not in #flood, use a pastebin please
[01:08] <schasi> Jup
[01:09] <schasi> selinium: Do you get to that site or not
[01:09] <selinium> schasi: nope not yet, and it is www.phpfreaks.com not .net
[01:10] <tombs> simple question, is ubuntu 100%(lets say)debian, but much more updated?
[01:10] <Seveas> tombs, it's less and more
[01:10] <schasi> doesnt matter for me, i get both
[01:10] <Seveas> tombs, Ubuntu contains nearly all packages from debian but newer
[01:10] <Seveas> and it contains packages from other sources
[01:11] <we2by> jinxi     7837 46.3  0.5   6488  4936 ?        RL   12:59   5:03 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps
[01:11] <we2by> esd is using 46.3% of the cpu, is this normal?
[01:11] <Seveas> ehm, no :)
[01:11] <lok> no
[01:11] <tombs> Seveas, because I'm newbie, but I got a freiend that runs debian, and he is about to switch to fedora, and I adviced him to try ubuntu first
[01:11] <schasi> do you get to google.de, selinium ?
[01:12] <Seveas> tombs, fedora sucks big time compared tu Ubuntu
[01:12] <schasi> tombs: What where his motives to switch to fedora?
[01:12] <raDeon> schasi, no motives, just being an idiot.
[01:12] <selinium> Seveas schasi: Result of dig at http://pastebin.com/294506
[01:12] <tombs> schasi, he is tired of the non update from debian
[01:12] <Seveas> tombs, then use Ubuntu
[01:12] <tombs> sarge is 3 years on testing :(
[01:12] <schasi> Then he should go with ubuntu
[01:12] <chris__> i --purged all php files and re-insatalled, still no luck
[01:12] <Seveas> it  beats fedora on updates
[01:12] <schasi> i use sid ;-)
[01:13] <schasi> which is pritty well updated
[01:13] <tremere> why would anyone go from Debian to Redhat?
[01:13] <Seveas> selinium, and if you go to http://72.29.78.113
[01:13] <Seveas> any site there?
[01:13] <tombs> raDeon, lol
[01:13] <Seveas> tremere, maybe due to a lack of clue ;)
[01:14] <schasi> I want fine rpm, so i got with Redhat. easy
[01:14] <schasi> Maybe he dislikes the name of the debian packet format and likes rpm more
[01:14] <tremere> Seveas, i'm very much a newbie, but i can see where going to Redhat from Debian is a bad thing
[01:14] <selinium> schasi: Most other pages work, the only other one I have found that www.linuxdiving.org will not load either, they just stay 'Connecting' the don't even time out.
[01:15] <schasi> Which browser?
[01:15] <schasi> What does lynx --dump <thesiteyouwant> say?
[01:15] <schasi> This is strange
[01:15] <Seveas> tremere, red hat is a monster to install, rpm sucks compared to deb, fedora/redhat are incompatibility galore, etc...
[01:15] <selinium> Seveas: http://72.29.78.113 is hung on  'Connecting'
[01:15] <selinium> Seveas: can you see the page?
[01:15] <Seveas> and: fedora/red hat are terribly slow with security updates sometimes
[01:15] <Seveas> selinium, yes, not a problem at all
[01:16] <schasi> Me as well
[01:16] <tremere> Seveas, been there done that....this isn't my first time back to Linux...but each time i've been spending more time with Linux.....better support for hardware helps....but time away from it seems to make things "click" the next time around :)
[01:16] <selinium> Seveas && schasi: AAAaarrgh! These thuings are sent to torment me! :)
[01:16] <schasi> Did you do "mtr www.phpfreaks.com"
[01:17] <Seveas> tremere, hardware support is very drappy in fedora to my expereience
[01:17] <schasi> Strange thing, indeed
[01:17] <Seveas> and ubuntu supported all my hardwar out-of-the-box
[01:18] <selinium> schasi: i use the network tools and didn't get any response
[01:19] <schasi> Id like to log into your machine and check it myself ;-)
[01:19] <schasi> brb, dinner
[01:19] <selinium> schasi: mtr isn't showing anything, not even outgoing? Enjoy your dinner!
[01:19] <schasi> thats surely strange
[01:22] <Kirilis> Hello! :)
[01:22] <Kirilis> need some help with NVU under Ubuntu :)
[01:23] <puppet> http://pastebin.ca/13270 :o hu what?
[01:27] <selinium> Seveas: I forgot I had switched on ICMP filtering, so now my pings work!
[01:27] <selinium> Seveas: but still no freaks!
[01:32] <magog> omg i LOVE ubuntu....emulating cs:source it plays PerFECT doesent skip a frame, im Suse it lagged
[01:32] <chris__> Been researching more into my php problem.  My mysql.so seems tobe in the right place and php is compiled with --with-mysql=shared,/usr but there is no mysql section in my phpinfo(), that is the only occurance of mysql on the whole page
[01:32] <magog> ive been so happy with ubuntu so far......synaptic PWNS yast
[01:32] <Phyrex> chris__: apt-get install php4-mysql
[01:33] <sonet05> ada yg sekong???
[01:33] <bigfoot> Hi. When I'm playing a movie file in my media player program, and I make the window very small, there is no blue/pink flashing streaks. But when I make it FullScreen, then I get the pink/blue flashing streaks. I guess this means that the computer is working harder to process a bigger screen. IS this correct? If so, can I close down all unnecssary  programs, to give more "processing space" to the movie being played? Or, how can i have no pink/
[01:33] <bigfoot> blue streaks when I play a file?
[01:35] <no0tic> strange thing, nautilus previews mp3 files but not ogg files, what can I do?
[01:35] <chris__> i have apt-get installed all php modules
[01:35] <chris__> i even remove --purged them then installed them again
[01:36] <chris__> looking at my phpinfo() it doesn't seem like any modules are loaded, curl zlib or anything
[01:36] <bigfoot> anybody here who plays movie files on their computer?
[01:36] <chris__> http://82.36.186.128/test.php
[01:36] <selinium> chris__ Have you restarted apache since installing all the mods?
[01:36] <chris__> yes
[01:38] <selinium> chris__ : Sorry i haven't been following this, were are you in this?
[01:38] <Phyrex> I had problem with mysql and java, I had to comment out line "skip-networking" in my.cnf to get mysql-connect to work.
[01:39] <spanglesontoast> is there a gnome news rss reader
[01:39] <chris__> I don't know where i am, everything is installed fresh as i did --purge remove then re-install
[01:39] <chris__> but no modules seem to show up in my phpinfo()
[01:40] <chris__> http://82.36.186.128/test.php
[01:41] <wdh> spanglesontoast, apt-cache search rss
[01:41] <wdh> spanglesontoast, or search for RSS in synaptic
[01:42] <stijndg> anyone here with some experience on wireless PCMCIA cards?
[01:43] <chris__> yes
[01:43] <chris__> using ndiswrapper?
[01:43] <webmind> hmm, I've just installed the chess game 'eboard' but it apears nowhere in any menu... anyone any idea how to add it ?
[01:44] <stijndg> chris__
[01:44] <stijndg> yes
[01:44] <bigfoot> how can i find out the keyboard bindings for w3m, the terminal text browser?
[01:44] <stijndg> but it seems to fail working
[01:44] <stijndg> can i pm you?
[01:44] <chris__> yea, if my client supports it
[01:45] <stijndg> pm-ed you
[01:45] <webmind> same for gnome-chess ?
[01:45] <webmind> is there anyway of adding these to menus?
[01:45] <chris__> erm... i think it is there, but i dunno how to change window in my client lol
[01:46] <stijndg> lol :))
[01:46] <stijndg> chris__ i will say it here then
[01:46] <stijndg> my card a D-Link DWL G650+ is detected by ubuntu
[01:46] <stijndg> and shows up in network
[01:47] <stijndg> but it simply is not working at all :(. I used ndiswrapper with a good inf file but still it fails
[01:47] <chrissturm> hmm, i am trying to download acrobat reader, but i get "Resolving ardownload.adobe.com... failed: Host not found"
[01:47] <stijndg> there are two LED's on the card but none of them is on
[01:47] <chris__> did you make sure you modprobe ndiswrapper
[01:47] <stijndg> i will do it again
[01:48] <chris__> try ndiswrapper -l to test the config
[01:48] <stijndg> well it says
[01:48] <djk1> Hi, I'm having a problem getting ALSA to work in Hoary on a VIA cx8233 chipset on my laptop
[01:48] <stijndg> Installed ndis drivers
[01:49] <stijndg> gplus driver present, hardware present
[01:49] <djk1> says 'Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA ....' etc
[01:49] <Shufla> hello :)
[01:49] <chris__> right now to ndiswrapper -m
[01:49] <chris__> then modprobe ndiswrapper
[01:49] <chris__> then dhclient
[01:49] <chris__> (all as root)
[01:50] <stijndg> ok
[01:50] <zzyber> Hi! I have downloaded suse as bin/cue files and i try to burn them with nero for linux but my first cd will not boot? What can be wrong?
[01:50] <chris__> sorry, not dhclient, dhclient wlan0
[01:50] <Seveas> zzyber, this is neither #nero nor #suse...
[01:50] <goldfish> zzyber: sure you're in the right channel?
[01:50] <stijndg> mmmmm it gives an Error at modprobe ndiswrapper
[01:50] <stijndg> i'll type it
[01:51] <djk1> anyone any idea regarding my issue? ALSA doesn't seem to be working
[01:51] <zzyber> guys, im running ubuntu and trying to burn a bin/cue file
[01:51] <zzyber> thats it
[01:52] <stijndg> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-50-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.kp): Operation not permitted
[01:52] <chris__> you running as root?
[01:52] <djk1> do you have kernel headers installed stijndg
[01:53] <chris__> anymore ideas about my php problem?
[01:54] <stijndg> chris__ yes i am
[01:54] <stijndg> djk1 i have installed them
[01:54] <stijndg> i followed the wiki on it
[01:54] <stijndg> so i should be allright
[01:54] <zzyber> so how do i burn a bin/cue file? Ideas!
[01:55] <Juhaz> cdrdao, and whatever frontends there are for it
[01:55] <yccheok> Hi, any have asm.lang  plugin for gedit?
[01:56] <chris__> stijndg sorry, i don't known then, my ndis needed me to run ndiswrapper -m and modprobe ndiswrapper then dhclient wlan0
[01:56] <Kingmilo> hey guys
[01:57] <Kingmilo> whats a nice php editing gui based, program for ubuntu? :)
[01:58] <spanglesontoast> erm
[01:58] <spanglesontoast> what's it called
[01:58] <stijndg> no problem chris__ i will continue my quest ;)
[01:58] <stijndg> thanks anyway
[01:58] <stijndg> :d
[01:59] <spanglesontoast> bluefish
[02:01] <voyager> Good day - I messed up nicely and I hope someone can help me  :-/
[02:01] <spanglesontoast> ?
[02:01] <spanglesontoast> what's up
[02:03] <spanglesontoast> ?
[02:03] <voyager> ok, here goes:  I had a perfectly running hoary system (upgraded from warty).  Then I accidentally installed lilo on it instead of a chrooted drive... I eventually managed to reinstall grub on the ubuntu box, but not before I tried using a warty install cd.
[02:03] <voyager> so no I have no x, no network and lsmod gives me the Function not implemented error
[02:03] <yccheok> any one noe how i can make open office support vb script?
[02:03] <voyager> I found out using knoppix that the network modude is via-rhine, but I can't get networking up
[02:04] <voyager> I think that would be the first step ... if I have networking I intend to apt-get update&& apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:04] <spanglesontoast> well you can use vi
[02:04] <thoreauputic> yccheok: don't think you can...
[02:05] <spanglesontoast> to get the sources if your stuck
[02:05] <spanglesontoast> *edit
[02:05] <spanglesontoast> and links/elinks/lynx to view the web
[02:05] <spanglesontoast> through a normal shell
[02:05] <voyager> can someone help me get my networking up through command line please?
[02:07] <thoreauputic> voyager: I asume you did ` sudo modprobe via-rhine` or whatever the module is?
[02:07] <voyager> thoreauputic:  yes
[02:07] <thoreauputic> ok
[02:08] <voyager> thoreauputic: Can't locate module via-rhine
[02:08] <thoreauputic> voyager: is that what it's actually called? (I don't know)
[02:08] <chris__> another twist in my php problem is i tested extension_loaded('mysql') and it is... mysql_fetch_assoc works, but if i use mysql_connect or mysql_query the page refuses to load
[02:09] <voyager> thoreauputic:  that's what I gathered from knoppix's lsmod/dmesg
[02:09] <thoreauputic> right, I see
[02:09] <hhurtta> mysql_fetch_assoc probably does nothing without mysql_query
[02:10] <chris__> it doesnt, but the page loads if it's in there
[02:10] <thoreauputic> I would have thought that was a common module...
[02:10] <hhurtta> that's it does load
[02:10] <hhurtta> why
[02:10] <hhurtta> my quess is that you're having connection problems to mysql server
[02:11] <chris__> if i try to re-load the mysql module i get lots of warnings like Warning: Function registration failed - duplicate name - mysql_connect in /home/unknown/test.php on line 7
[02:11] <hhurtta> it waits for connection to establish, so page nevers seems to load
[02:12] <voyager> I just looked and found it in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-2-386/kernel/drivers/net via-rhine.ko
[02:12] <chris__> it's not that... if i try in the shell php just quits instantly
[02:12] <hhurtta> it was just a guess anyway...
[02:12] <hhurtta> :)
[02:13] <webmind> hmm
[02:13] <chris__> i wish i'd stayed on warty now
[02:14] <webmind> when I try to access 'applications-all-users:///' in nautilus, it tells me it is not a valid location ?
[02:16] <spanglesontoast> cos it doesn't exist
[02:16] <spanglesontoast> if you are trying to edit the gnome custom menu
[02:19] <bigfoot> When I play a movie file in _any_ program (xine, mplayer, totem) I get choppy video in Fullscreen mode (or when the windows is large). If the window is small, the movie is very clear.  What is the problem? Sometimes, without making any changes Big/Full screen playback is fine. Other times, it's choppy. I wonder if it's got something to do with the Processor trying to do more than it can handle. If so, Is there a way I could tell Ubuntu to giv
[02:19] <bigfoot> e a particular program priority over others?
[02:20] <bigfoot> The movie file is not on dvd but on my hard drive.
[02:20] <bigfoot> thank you in advance for helping a newbie, everyone!
[02:20] <pauliebronxnyc25> i just installed this ghetto version of linux tonight i cant get online
[02:20] <pauliebronxnyc25> who do i get online
[02:20] <pauliebronxnyc25> how i mean
[02:21] <pauliebronxnyc25> hello
[02:21] <thoreauputic> pauliebronxnyc25: I think we need more info, like what kind of connection etc
[02:21] <pauliebronxnyc25> dsl verizon
[02:21] <selinium> HI thoreauputic!
[02:22] <pauliebronxnyc25> the os works great
[02:22] <thoreauputic> hi selinium :)
[02:22] <schasi> ghetto version???
[02:22] <pauliebronxnyc25> nowhere do i see connect online thou
[02:22] <thoreauputic> pauliebronxnyc25: pppoeconf perhaps
[02:22] <pauliebronxnyc25> sorta ghetto
[02:22] <pauliebronxnyc25> yea how
[02:22] <selinium> hi schasi! still no freaks site! :(
[02:22] <pauliebronxnyc25> walk me thru it son
[02:23] <thoreauputic> pauliebronxnyc25: heh - I'm on dilaup - maybe someone else ;)
[02:23] <thoreauputic> *dialup
[02:23] <pauliebronxnyc25> come on silly
[02:23] <pauliebronxnyc25> why is the default dhcp
[02:23] <pauliebronxnyc25> or whateva
[02:23] <dark> pauliebronxnyc25: gotta go to work in a sec, but are you connected to a router? or straight into your modem
[02:23] <chris__> odd thing happening now, if i run a script in the shell php works fine with mysql, if i run it in apache it doesnt work, i've copied the php.ini's over so they are _EXACTLY_ the same
[02:23] <pauliebronxnyc25> i have verizon dsl
[02:23] <pauliebronxnyc25> what the fuck
[02:24] <thoreauputic> try running `sudo pppoeconf` and answer the questions
[02:24] <dark> mmmmk work time
[02:24] <pauliebronxnyc25> what kinda ?
[02:24] <bigfoot> by the way, i went to multimedia preferences ("gstreamer-properties") and changed the "Default SINK: Output" to "XWindows (No Xv)" and I still get choppy video playback. Sometimes, viideo playback is fine, sometimes it's bad.  CCan anyone help a 1 month old newbie?
[02:24] <pauliebronxnyc25> im tryin to get online folks
[02:24] <pauliebronxnyc25> shouldnt this be simple
[02:25] <pauliebronxnyc25> christ o fuckin mighty
[02:25] <pauliebronxnyc25> help me out already
[02:25] <thoreauputic> pauliebronxnyc25: umm... did you try what I said?? At all ??
[02:25] <Sparky_> Hey, got a problem here, I keep changing /etc/resolv.conf to the DNS I want, but every so often it changes back to the old setting - 192.168.1.1
[02:26] <selinium> pauliebronxnyc25: Abusing the people trying to help wont get you answers any quicker.
[02:26] <bigfoot> Would increasing buffer size help in video playback. Will it remove my problem of "choppy video"?
[02:26] <pauliebronxnyc25> i am not abusin
[02:26] <pauliebronxnyc25> i am frustrated
[02:27] <thoreauputic> pauliebronxnyc25: by the way, read the code of conduct at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/document_view
[02:27] <pauliebronxnyc25> what
[02:27] <selinium> pauliebronxnyc25: how are you connected to this IRC if you are not connected the the net?
[02:27] <pauliebronxnyc25> i am on another computer genius
[02:28] <selinium> pauliebronxnyc25: just checking! :)
[02:28] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, selinium, would you have knowledge about video playback? I'm getting choppy video. ... Sometimes! Other times it's okay. If the window is small, there's no problem. If it's big, then it gets choppy. Would increasing buffer size help? Would telling UBuntu to give dedicated "processing space" to the movie-playing program help? I've alrready switched Default Sink: output" to XWindows (No Xv).  Thank you.
[02:28] <thoreauputic> pauliebronxnyc25: OK you've just lost the goodwill of most of the channel with your attitude
[02:28] <selinium> bigfoot: what processor have you got?
[02:28] <nac> does anyone know a mp3-player, that supports a media library like winamp
[02:29] <pauliebronxnyc25> what
[02:29] <pauliebronxnyc25> i dont have an attitude
[02:29] <pauliebronxnyc25> christ o mighty
[02:29] <voyager> rhythmbox has a media library function
[02:29] <pauliebronxnyc25> i am frustrated
[02:29] <thoreauputic> pauliebronxnyc25: then choose your language with greater care
[02:29] <pauliebronxnyc25> i am from the bronx
[02:29] <pauliebronxnyc25> what do u expect
[02:30] <anthoce> yeach...
[02:30] <voyager> expect? bad spelling - what do I get? ...
[02:30] <bigfoot> selinium, P3 1.5 or 1.6 GHz. But what I don't understand is the _random_ nature of my problem. So, let's say, I load up the movie file into the movie player. IT's fine. Then, let's say I have to go to the bathroom or something. So i pause or exit. Then when I want to continue, it becomes choppy. I don't get it.
[02:30] <anthoce> please...
[02:30] <thoreauputic> pauliebronxnyc25: no one cares if you are from Timbuktu, dude
[02:31] <pauliebronxnyc25> no no no
[02:31] <pauliebronxnyc25> your confused mister
[02:31] <pauliebronxnyc25> im from the bronx nyc son
[02:31] <pauliebronxnyc25> ghetto land
[02:31] <thoreauputic> as i said, no one cares where the hell you are from: just try to be reasonably polite
[02:31] <pauliebronxnyc25> we be gangstas son
[02:31] <pauliebronxnyc25> ok son
[02:32] <selinium> bigfoot: i will be honest I just followed the instructions from www.ubuntuguide.org to set up my dvd playback.
[02:32] <pauliebronxnyc25> we dont play in the bronx  we bust our guns
[02:32] <djp> which package do i need to install in order to be able to encode in mp3 format when using audacity?
[02:32] <bigfoot> selinium, i am not running the movie from dvd. i'm running it from my harddrive.
[02:32] <pauliebronxnyc25> now can i get sum help
[02:32] <pauliebronxnyc25> whats good papi
[02:33] <cyphase> hey everyone
[02:33] <selinium> bigfoot: using what package, gstreamer?
[02:33] <Shufla> hi! i'd like to do smthing like this: change default preferences for, eg. ffox. it's good idea to make package my-mozilla-firefox-bleble ;) which uses dpkg-divert to apply my own changes [in this eg. /etc/mozilla-firefox/prefs.js] ?
[02:33] <pauliebronxnyc25> let me get sum help niggas
[02:33] <pauliebronxnyc25> come on
[02:33] <pauliebronxnyc25> cant get online
[02:33] <bigfoot> i've tried several that I've got on my pc (xine, totem, etc). all get choppy video.
[02:34] <pauliebronxnyc25> what dem hot girls at?
[02:34] <pauliebronxnyc25> right here ova there
[02:34] <pauliebronxnyc25> where dem real niggas at? right here ova there
[02:34] <djp> bigfoot: dma enabled on hard drive? also what are your settings under multimedia systems selector?
[02:35] <pauliebronxnyc25> im tryin to cum son.....hot creamy cumshots for yall niggas
[02:35] <pauliebronxnyc25> hot sticky milky white
[02:35] <pauliebronxnyc25> milky
[02:35] <pauliebronxnyc25> creamy salty semen snacks
[02:35] <pauliebronxnyc25> open wide motherfuckas
[02:35] <pauliebronxnyc25> i am gonna CUM
[02:35] <thenuke> ops?
[02:36] <selinium> are you sure you are from the bronx and not the kindergarden, pauliebronxnyc25?
[02:36] <Sparky_> O_o
[02:36] <bigfoot> And other times, it's fine. I wonder if it's got something to do with my processor. But I don't think so, because the "Processor/System Monitor" applet on my panel shows  low processor useage. But just to make sure, is there a way to tell Ubuntu to give priority to the movie being played? In other words, to have all other programs, running slower, if need be? Or maybe i should kill a few unneeded programs? Would getting out of X Windhows help
[02:36] <bigfoot> ? I'm willing to try anything, if only to find out what's causing this _random_  choppy-video problem.
[02:36] <pauliebronxnyc25> suck my dick niggas
[02:36] <pauliebronxnyc25> swallow my hot salty semen
[02:36] <pauliebronxnyc25> hot sticky milky white
[02:36] <pauliebronxnyc25> salty
[02:36] <thenuke> pauliebronxnyc25: huh, we are not pedophiles you know..
[02:36] <pauliebronxnyc25> milky
[02:36] <pauliebronxnyc25> creamy
[02:36] <pauliebronxnyc25> delicious
[02:36] <pauliebronxnyc25> cum snacks
[02:36] <thenuke> pauliebronxnyc25: ask again for gays when you are about ~10 years older, ok?
[02:37] <bigfoot> djp, hello. How do i know if Dma is enabled on my hard drive? I changed  the video settings in "Muliimedia Sys selector"  to "XWindows (No Xv)" .
[02:37] <egg> http://www.canonical.com/
[02:37] <pauliebronxnyc25> thenuke suck my penis
[02:37] <djp> can an op here kick the weirdo please?
[02:37] <egg> a secret company
[02:37] <pauliebronxnyc25> and swallow my cum
[02:37] <thenuke> pauliebronxnyc25: I already said you, ask again after 10 years :-)
[02:37] <Davey> is there any tool for setting up SSH port forwarding?
[02:37] <pauliebronxnyc25> semen snacks
[02:37] <egg> pauliebronxnyc25:  Are you ok?
[02:38] <pauliebronxnyc25> if all yall are niggas
[02:38] <pauliebronxnyc25> then die monkies
[02:38] <pauliebronxnyc25> i hate niggers
[02:38] <pauliebronxnyc25> fuckin porch monkies
[02:38] <snader> hmhm, yea yea
[02:38] <pauliebronxnyc25> black turds
[02:38] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: ping - ops needed
[02:38] <bigfoot> bob2, you in charge here?
[02:38] <pauliebronxnyc25> black niggers
[02:38] <pauliebronxnyc25> blah
[02:38] <Sparky_> God, I hate lamers
[02:38] <Sparky_> ooh
[02:38] <egg> ...................................................
[02:38] <egg> pauliebronxnyc25:  turn off
[02:38] <snader> bigfoot: hdparm -d /dev/hda as root, btw
[02:38] <thoreauputic> thanks Amaranth
[02:39] <Sparky_> FINISH HIM!
[02:39] <Amaranth> pauliebronxnyc25: In 15 minutes I'll remove that, please try to behave.
[02:39] <maxy_noob> Hey guys! What's the about:config string in Firefox to change the version number?
[02:39] <bazzieb> what website can i go to get help files on ubuntu networking?
[02:39] <egg> http://www.canonical.com/
[02:39] <hardcampa-> ffs just kickban him
[02:39] <djp> jeez!
[02:39] <bigfoot> snader, thank you for your msg. So I'll copy and paste that command into terminal, right?
[02:39] <Amaranth> I really wish xchat was smart enough to group those in 3s.
[02:39] <snader> bigfoot: probably with "sudo" in front of it, yeah
[02:40] <djp> bigfoot: sorry, getting lost here due to the crazy guy! did u get your answer?
[02:40] <Amaranth> hardcampa-: Why? He can't do anything now.
[02:40] <maxy_noob> vendorSub?
[02:40] <djp> which package do i need to install in order to be able to encode in mp3 format when using audacity?
[02:40] <hardcampa-> Amaranth well since he was misbehaving he should be kickbanned
[02:40] <hardcampa-> You're too nice against scum
[02:40] <Amaranth> hardcampa-: I don't ban lightly.
[02:41] <bigfoot> snader, i did that command. does this mean i won't have choppy video any more?
[02:41] <Amaranth> hardcampa-: He has a psuedo ban right now anyway. He can't talk.
[02:41] <charlie_> Is there a good and easy program for making and editing websites for ubuntu ?
[02:41] <snader> bigfoot: depends on the output of that command :)
[02:41] <snader> what does it say?
[02:42] <bigfoot> snader, /dev/hda:
[02:42] <bigfoot>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[02:42] <snader> okay, that's good
[02:42] <djp> ahh, good
[02:42] <bigfoot> did running that command change something, or did it merely show the present state of things?
[02:42] <djp> catching up now!
[02:42] <snader> eh, i'm not really sure actually :)
[02:43] <selinium> I have got two drive, the master (Sadly windows) and the slave (UBUNTU!). I assume the grub loader is stored on the master? I have a new drive, if I install ubuntu on it as the master, will I bve able to slave the old ubuntu drive?
[02:43] <djp> bigfoot: it appears your hard drive is dma enabled
[02:43] <djp> bigfoot: default sink = XWindows ?
[02:44] <bigfoot> djp, as a newbie, 'm not sure of the significance of having a dma-enabled hard drive, but i suppose it's a good thing when it comes to running videos.  And if so, how come my computer has choppy video (choppy means those blue/pink flashes/lines that come)?
[02:44] <djp> bigfoot: audio set to ALSA?
[02:44] <bigfoot> djp, yes, i changed default sink to Xwindows.
[02:44] <bazzieb> where is the yellow egg dude?
[02:45] <bigfoot> djp, i don't have a problem with sounds. Should I still make sure about audio settings?
[02:45] <egg> ?
[02:45] <djp> bigfoot: reason i ask about the audio setting, is due to porblems i encountered with syncing
[02:45] <egg> sorry .... I am busy
[02:45] <djp> bigfoot: i am using totem-gstreamer to playback my movies
[02:46] <maxy_noob> When I installed Ubuntu a password was not entered for root user. However, when I try to "run as a different user" I'm asked for one. When I leave the field blank or enter my userid pass, it says "failure to run". How can I fix this or can I?
[02:46] <bigfoot> djp.i have no problems with syncing or with sounds. but to answer your question, Audio's Default Sink output is currently at ESD.
[02:47] <selinium> maxy_noob: Have you used sudo?
[02:47] <thoreauputic> maxy_noob: you need to enter the pass for the user you want to run as, I guess
[02:47] <bigfoot> djp, whichever movie player i use , i still get choppy video playback.
[02:47] <maxy_noob> thoreauputic, but I want to run as root
[02:47] <djp> bigfoot: ok. i needed to change that in order to get playback running smoothly. syncing was out completely and it was choppy, but only slightly
[02:47] <maxy_noob> selinium, yes.
[02:47] <thoreauputic> maxy_noob: to run something as root you use sudo <command>
[02:47] <Ironfrost> maxy_noob: you can't run as root
[02:47] <Ironfrost> the password for sudo is your own user password
[02:47] <bigfoot> THats' why I'm wondering: maybe I should somehow allocate/reserve CPU to the movie player program.
[02:48] <maxy_noob> Ok but if I want to change something in the root directory or put something in the root directory, it doesn't allow me.
[02:48] <selinium> bigfoot: Are you running other stuff aswell? I have a athlon 900 that runs video fine!
[02:48] <thoreauputic> maxy_noob: what exactly are you wanting to do?
[02:48] <thoreauputic> maxy_noob: sudo will allow you to
[02:49] <selinium> maxy_noob: sudo nautilus
[02:49] <maxy_noob> I want to delete protected files as administrator.
[02:49] <selinium> maxy_noob: sudo nautilus
[02:49] <thoreauputic> maxy_noob: sudo rm <filename>
[02:49] <maxy_noob> sudo nautilus and then path?
[02:49] <bigfoot> djp, i'm not sure if my choppy-movie-on-hard-drive playback problem will disaapppear if i switch from ESD to ALSA, but I could give it a try if you think it may help.
[02:50] <maxy_noob> selinium, cool, thanks!
[02:50] <djp> bigfoot: well it won't hurt, as you can always change it back, though i don't think it will solve your problem...
[02:50] <selinium> maxy_noob: It will give you the nautilus that you recognise, but with root privelidges!np
[02:50] <djp> bigfoot: what graphics card are you using?
[02:51] <thoreauputic> selinium: heh - I tend to forget that people aren't attuned to cli....
[02:51] <selinium> maxy_noob: if you dont want to run it in a terminal, use gksudo nautilus.
[02:51] <selinium> thoreauputic: I am new enough to remember!
[02:51] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:52] <bigfoot> selinium, thanks for your assistance. I'm running just a few downloads. but aside from that, there's nothing else. I really think the problem is with my processor feeling overworked. I don't know why. Maybe Ubuntu is telling my computer to do some behind the scenes work...?
[02:52] <maxy_noob> what's the gk stand for?
[02:52] <Ubuntian> hi all! how do i execute a shell script? (to install an app)
[02:52] <bigfoot> djp, how do i figue what graphics card i have?
[02:52] <Methynutnut> Ubuntian: sh <script>
[02:52] <thoreauputic> maxy_noob: it refers to gtk I guess ( the widget set for gnome0
[02:52] <digitus> import os; os.system('./bla')
[02:52] <Ubuntian> Methynutnut, thanks, no sudo?
[02:53] <bigfoot> djp, i think it's not a dedidaced graphics/video card. Rather, i think i have one that's attached to my motherboard.
[02:53] <digitus> oh sry wrong channel
[02:53] <djp> bigfoot: device manager
[02:53] <Methynutnut> Ubuntian: if root access is required for the script to install, sudo sh <script>
[02:53] <thoreauputic> maxy_noob: most gnomeish things involve a "g" ;)
[02:53] <Ironfrost> it depends what app - most of them will install to your user directory if you're not running it as root
[02:53] <Ubuntian> Methynutnut, thank you!
[02:53] <nova> hmm any one know where the hell kbuntu desk tops settings for powermanagerment is?
[02:53] <Methynutnut> np
[02:53] <djp> bigfoot: what is the spec of your machine by the way?
[02:54] <maxy_noob> thanks thoreauputic
[02:54] <selinium> maxy_noob: it brings up the Gnome graphic interface version. You can key it through 'Run Application' so you dont get the term window as well. Or you can put a launcher on your desktop
[02:54] <bigfoot> djp, Pentium 3 1.5 Ghz, 250MB of ram.
[02:54] <magog> anyone wanna give me a security audit....pm  me please if you will
[02:54] <selinium> maxy_noob: I am not as quick at typing as thoreauputic!
[02:55] <maxy_noob> lol
[02:55] <maxy_noob> selinium, thanks sel!
[02:55] <selinium> maxy_noob: np
[02:55] <thoreauputic> selinium: you must be very slow then - I peck away with 2 fingers ;)
[02:55] <thoreauputic> heheh
[02:55] <bigfoot> Q1: can anyone tell me how i can make Ubuntu allocate priority to a particular program? IS this possible?      Q2. Would increasing buffer size of a movie playback help in terms of choppy video playback problem?
[02:55] <selinium> thoreauputic: sometimes it is like i am hitting the keys with a pound of sausages!
[02:56] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:56] <bigfoot> djp, i'm in device manager, where do i look?
[02:57] <selinium> I have got two drive, the master (Sadly windows) and the slave (UBUNTU!). I assume the grub loader is stored on the master? I have a new drive, if I install ubuntu on it as the master, will I bve able to slave the old ubuntu drive?
[02:57] <bigfoot> djp, aah. i think i 've found it.
[02:57] <Jurku> bigfoot: "man nice" for priority tweaking
[02:57] <bigfoot> djp, i have an "intel CHipset Graphic Controller"
[02:58] <bigfoot> Jurku, hello. Thank you very much. I'll look into that immediately.
[02:58] <bigfoot> Jurku, do you find "nice" helpful when you play media files?
[02:58] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: you need sudo/root powers to increase priority with "nice"
[02:58] <Jurku> bigfoot: not at all
[02:59] <bigfoot> Jurku, oh, but do you think it could help me?
[02:59] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, okay, i'll prefix that command with "sudo" then. THanks.
[02:59] <Jurku> tbh, I don't know, but I think it won't help you
[02:59] <bigfoot> How about increasing buffer size of a media player? Is this possible? Would doing so help alleviate choppy video playback?
[03:00] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: be aware that using "nice" can cause issues - you are stealing priority from other programs
[03:00] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: so if you use it, try small changes first
[03:01] <bigfoot> thoreauputic,  when you mean "issues" do you just mean that other programs will run slower?
[03:01] <djp> does anyone know where libmp3lame.so is located?
[03:01] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, what if I kill all unneccessary programs when I play a moviefile? will that help?
[03:01] <bigfoot> Maybe even close Xwindows GUI and just have a movie player open....
[03:01] <bigfoot> ?
[03:01] <bigfoot> Wolud that help?
[03:01] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: possibly
[03:02] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: is this movie a DVD? If so, enabling DMA on your dvd drive will help alot
[03:03] <bigfoot> Your answer of "possibly": which of my questions was that for? about "nice"? about "killing programs"? "about shutting Xwindows"?
[03:03] <selinium> thoreuaputic: It is DMA enabled, his HD it is stored locally
[03:03] <bigfoot> the movie i am playing  is on my hard drive, and not on dvd disc, thoreauputic
[03:03] <thoreauputic> OK
[03:03] <useruser> bigfoot: is your movie player using some sort of graphics acceleration?
[03:04] <bigfoot> useruser, thank you very much for your assistance. Let me help you help me: how do i figure that out?
[03:04] <selinium> Iv'e got to head off, 'see' you all soon! Good luck with the vid bigfoot
[03:04] <JanC> bigfoot : did you try gxine or xine ?
[03:04] <bigfoot> useruser, if it's usefull knowledge, my computer doesn't have a dedicated vide card.
[03:04] <synd> hey everyone
[03:05] <useruser> bigfoot: not sure.. I use xv for movies, which means that there's a blue background to movies which is visible when you drag the window around
[03:05] <bigfoot> bye selinium. Your assistance with my vid problem is apprecaitaed!
[03:05] <useruser> bigfoot: depends on your movie player now to set it up
[03:05] <bigfoot> JanC,  I've tried variosu programs: xine, totem, mplayer. all have choppy feedback.
[03:05] <bene> hi?
[03:06] <bene> yes ich bin drauf *froi*
[03:06] <anirz_> hey all
[03:06] <bene> hi
[03:06] <synd> bigfoot: the choppy feedback is due to the hardware, isnt it?
[03:06] <bigfoot> JanC, i don' think the problem is with which video playre i use.
[03:06] <anirz_> hey bene can u help me?
[03:07] <bene> oje
[03:07] <maxy_noob> thoreauputic, I followed the Ubuntu instructions for installing realplayer. The app doesn't work. Wiki suggest to remove swf plugins. How do I do that?
[03:07] <bigfoot> synd,  thank you so much for your help. IN regards to your question, yes, i think it's because I don't have the fastest processor in the world. 8).
[03:07] <bene> i am german and i have linux since 2 minutes
[03:07] <synd> bigfoot, is your DMA enabled?
[03:07] <maxy_noob> thoreauputic, the swf plugins are in the realplayer directory "plugins"
[03:07] <anirz_> okay
[03:07] <bene> ^
[03:07] <bigfoot> synd, but sometimes, i don't have this problem. I'm trying to play scientist and find out the root cause of this problem.
[03:07] <anirz_> hey synd
[03:07] <bene> sorry
[03:08] <maxy_noob> or anyone
[03:08] <synd> hello anirz_
[03:08] <avinoam> I have a question
[03:08] <bigfoot> synd, yes. dma is enabled.
[03:08] <thoreauputic> maxy_noob: in the folder it's installed in, lokk for plugins directory and remove the sw* entries
[03:08] <thoreauputic> from memory
[03:08] <avinoam> whenever i start some video files, the computer freezes
[03:08] <avinoam> why could that be?
[03:08] <bigfoot>  Your answer of "possibly": which of my questions was that for? about "nice"? about "killing programs"? "about shutting Xwindows"?
[03:08] <synd> bigfoot, so it is choppy only sometimes?
[03:08] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: umm - mainly the bit about not running other pros
[03:09] <thoreauputic> *progs
[03:09] <bigfoot> snyd, yes. and i can't tell when.
[03:09] <synd> bigfoot, what are you computer specs?
[03:09] <anirz_> synd my problem is that when i try to open certain sites in firefox or mozilla browser the browser closes itself..
[03:09] <bigfoot> synd, P3 1.6Ghz. 250 MB ram.
[03:09] <maxy_noob> thoreauputic, when I do that it says "Error while moving ... Cannot move "directory file" to the trash because you don not have permissions to change it or its parent folder". Hence my earlier request about the root terminal.
[03:09] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, can i kill all the programs i find running in "top" then?
[03:09] <synd> bigfoot, i see. p3's made 1.6Ghz? i didnt know that
[03:10] <JanC> anirz_ : is tehre something on those sites that they have in common ?
[03:10] <thoreauputic> maxy_noob: well, I assume you have it installed somewhere like /usr/local or /opt -am I right?
[03:10] <anirz_> P3 has max 1.13
[03:10] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: erm - don't do that
[03:10] <JanC> like e.g. they use the same plugin
[03:10] <avinoam> anyone?
[03:10] <synd> anirz_what sites?
[03:10] <bigfoot> synd, i'm sorry, i don't exactly remember my spec. maybe it's 1.5 ...
[03:10] <anirz_> synd for example www.indya.com..
[03:10] <anirz_> i cant open this site synd
[03:10] <avinoam> <-- wants to know why some video files lock my computer
[03:10] <maxy_noob> thoreauputic, I just figured it out.
[03:10] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, what if i shut down the GUI... that would really free up processing power, wouldn't it?
[03:10] <maxy_noob> I thought the file wasn't deleted until I did a reload.
[03:11] <ulisse> hello channel
[03:11] <maxy_noob> thoreauputic, success!
[03:11] <maxy_noob> hallelujah!
[03:11] <thoreauputic> maxy_noob: anything outside your home dir except /tmp usually requires root permissions
[03:11] <bigfoot> how can i figure out my PC's pentium speed?
[03:11] <JanC> indya.com uses flash ?
[03:11] <synd> bigfoot, your processing power and RAM are up to par. i run xine on a PIII 600Mhz, 128MB (laptop) and it plays DVD's fine.
[03:11] <maxy_noob> thoreauputic, thanks for the info.
[03:11] <thoreauputic> maxy_noob: you're welcome
[03:12] <avinoam> ok my turn ;)
[03:12] <ulisse> I'm trying to use an HP 3325 printer with HPLIP, but without success... anyone can help?
[03:12] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[03:12] <synd> bigfoot, thing is.. it used to be choppy. but I enable DMA and a couple othernoob things in hdparm
[03:12] <bigfoot> synd, does it make any difference whether one plays DVDs or moviefiles on the harddrive? Coz , for me, I'm not playing DVD-discs. I'm running it from my harddrive.
[03:12] <gianp> just installed on my laptop aspire 1522wlmi any news about wireless lan on 64 bit cpu
[03:12] <synd> bigfoot, ah. now i see.
[03:13] <bigfoot> my confirmed specs are:  Intel(R) Pentium(R) III CPU             1200MHz
[03:13] <bigfoot> thanks, thoreauputic .
[03:13] <anirz_> synd any solution??
[03:13] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: plenty quick enough
[03:13] <synd> bigfoot, definitely
[03:14] <synd> anirz_, I have no idea. have you installed flash on firefox?
[03:14] <maxy_noob> Does anyone know how I can play quicktime files?
[03:14] <synd> maxy_noob, linuxboy cant
[03:14] <JanC> anirz_ : uninstall the flash plugin, restart your browser & try again
[03:14] <thoreauputic> maxy_noob: read the bot's URL I'm about to post
[03:14] <synd> maxy_noob, linuxboy cant
[03:14] <thoreauputic> ! restricted
[03:14] <ubotu> thoreauputic: I don't know
[03:14] <synd> CRAP
[03:14] <maxy_noob> synd, thanks
[03:14] <maxy_noob> :(
[03:14] <thoreauputic> damn
[03:14] <JanC> if it doesn't crash then, the problem was with flash
[03:14] <anirz_> yes i have installed.. there are certain sites.. last night i upgraded the firefox browser synd
[03:14] <synd> damn nickcomplete
[03:14] <anirz_> JanC, which plugin??
[03:14] <avinoam> anyone know why my computer is crashing when i play certain movie files?
[03:14] <thoreauputic> maxy_noob:  someone wiped the factoid, sorry
[03:15] <Ironfrost> synd: I can definitely play .mov files in mplayer
[03:15] <Ironfrost> can't remember if I had to install any plugins
[03:15] <Ironfrost> but they definitely work
[03:15] <maxy_noob> thoreauputic, thanks anyway
[03:15] <synd> really?
[03:15] <JanC> anirz_ : how did you install flash ?
[03:15] <maxy_noob> so, there's no other plugin in Linux that will play these files?
[03:15] <anirz_> from Synaptics JanC
[03:16] <thoreauputic> maxy_noob: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:16] <synd> Ironfrost, hmm. i may have to check into that. i was always under the impression that quicktime was not compatible with linux. i know that one cannot install a quicktime plugin into firefox, that i know for sure
[03:16] <JanC> then  uninstall it in synaptic
[03:16] <JanC> and try again
[03:16] <maxy_noob> thoreauputic, right ... shoulda known (rolls eyes)
[03:16] <Ironfrost> quicktime itself isn't linux-compatible
[03:16] <thoreauputic> maxy_noob: you might need some codecs etc
[03:16] <bene> re
[03:16] <anirz_> JanC,  yup the site is opening now but as there is no flash plugin nothing is displayed
[03:17] <Ironfrost> but you don't need quicktime to play .mov (even in Windows there is Quicktime Alternative)
[03:17] <maxy_noob> thoreauputic, know from where?
[03:17] <bene> can someone help me
[03:17] <maxy_noob> thoreauputic, it's on that page?
[03:17] <maxy_noob> wiki page
[03:17] <thoreauputic> maxy_noob: read that page
[03:17] <maxy_noob> thoreauputic, ok
[03:17] <thoreauputic> maxy_noob: yes, it will tell you where
[03:17] <JanC> anirz_ : the first page is just a big flash with "skip intro" below it ?
[03:17] <synd> Ironfrost, makes sense. being a mac guy, ive never really thought about quicktime alternatives :X
[03:17] <JanC> so skip it :)
[03:17] <bene> i have just started my ubuntu on my pc and a freind told me that ai have to make a password for the root-account
[03:17] <Amaranth> you don't
[03:17] <synd> bene, nope
[03:17] <bene> or something like that
[03:18] <synd> bene, all you need is a password for your acct
[03:18] <anirz_> JanC, okay.. but as  i have uninstalled flash plugin i will not be able to view any flash sites...
[03:18] <bene> is there something i have to do when i just start my ubuntu the first time?
[03:18] <anirz_> JanC,  is the problem with plugin?
[03:18] <bene> ahh okay thx synd
[03:18] <synd> bene, you set your username/password during install of ubuntulog
[03:18] <synd> OMG
[03:18] <synd> im gonna kill this nickcomplete
[03:18] <bene> yes
[03:18] <JanC> anirz_ : I think so
[03:19] <bene> okay thank you synd
[03:19] <anirz_> so whats the solution JanC
[03:19] <JanC> don't go to flash-only sites
[03:19] <synd> i dont have problems with flash sites
[03:20] <JanC> and send a mail to the webmaster to complain  :)
[03:20] <anirz_> haa haa now dont give me a limitation JanC
[03:20] <anirz_> what is the address JanC
[03:20] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, synd so why the choppiness? I have no idea what's causing it? Here's what I can tell you though: I play a movie. No problem. I pause it or stop it. I run Firefox for a while. I turn off firefox. I resume playback of moviefile. It gets choppy.    Another fact: SystemMonitor applet shows low processor usage (i.e. 25 %).     So you probably can see why I don't know what's cauising this problem.
[03:20] <nova> any one have experiance setting up webmin for apache bind and the like?
[03:20] <JanC> well, you can always find the address of domain owner with WHOIS...   ;-)
[03:20] <nova> i need to log in for first time
[03:21] <nova> but no root log in
[03:21] <avinoam> oy i'm frustrated
[03:21] <JanC> nova : there is no root login in ubuntu
[03:21] <synd> bigfoot, ive experienced similar things
[03:21] <nova> wondering if theres a way to edit a given file and configure the users that way
[03:21] <nova> yeh i know janc
[03:21] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: sounds more like a problem with the program itself - which viewer do you use?
[03:21] <nova> thats what im asking
[03:21] <bigfoot> synd, how did you sole your problem?
[03:21] <nova> and there is aroot log in its just not active
[03:21] <nova> and i dont want it to be heh
[03:21] <cyphase> "There are lots of studies of such issues as stability, security, performance, and reliability of Linux vs. Microsoft Windows. They can roughly be divided into two lists:
[03:21] <cyphase> Studies paid for by Microsoft
[03:21] <cyphase> Studies that conclude Linux wins "
[03:22] <cyphase> damn straight
[03:22] <synd> bigfoot, i didnt. i just dont pause it.
[03:22] <cyphase> ;)
[03:22] <JanC> nova, you can set a password for root ...
[03:22] <Methynutnut> cyphase: where are you reading that from?
[03:22] <avinoam> well in XP, movies don't freeze my computer, in linux they do
[03:22] <JanC> it's explained on the wiki
[03:22] <nova> bah didnt realy want to though
[03:22] <nova> less thats the only way
[03:22] <cyphase> Methynutnut, www.tuxmagazine.com
[03:22] <cyphase> http://www.tuxmagazine.com/node/1000133
[03:22] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, i've tried xine, gstreamer, totem, etc. when one player is choppy. the others are too. That's why I'm guessing it's not a player-specific problem. But please correct me if I'm wrong in thinking so.
[03:22] <synd> avinoam, thats because most movies are optimized for windows.
[03:22] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: for what it's worth, I've had most luck with xine ( totem-xine is a nice way to get it)
[03:22] <Jurku> avinoam: anything in logs?
[03:22] <axident> Ok I need a hand setting up my soundcard... I have Intel High Definition Audio subsystem using the Realtek ALC860 audio codec... I dont know how to configure my card for linux...  alsaconf doesn't want to work all I get is 'command not found' and I am a bit of a noob and don't know any other ways to get my sound working.
[03:22] <avinoam> which logs?
[03:23] <bigfoot> synd, oh, pausing a movie file destroys it?
[03:23] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: OK so you've already tried that - sorry
[03:23] <Jurku> syslog, dmesg, xorg...
[03:23] <synd> bigfoot, i agree with thoreauputic. ive had most success with xine.
[03:23] <synd> bigfoot, have you tried VLC?
[03:23] <anirz_> and one more thing.. access MS Win partition .. what i have to do?? i have read the wiki page but for no help. i remember last time i created some folder but i forgot where and how.. can anyone tell me??
[03:23] <Ironfrost> cyphase: on the Windows vs Linux debate, that's hardly the most neutral source
[03:23] <avinoam> anirz go to www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:23] <_kevin> can i use gDesklets under XFCE, casue right now I'm on gnome desktop and i wanted to try XFCE for a while to see how it is, will i lose my program or will it be compatible with XFCE?
[03:23] <cyphase> Ironfrost, i know
[03:23] <cyphase> lol
[03:24] <cyphase> but neither are MS funded studies ;)
[03:24] <JanC> bigfoot : I have "speed problems" with totem-gstreamer, but not with gxine...
[03:24] <synd> _kevin, yes you can
[03:24] <joe|code> Do any of you use Wemin? If so, how do you like it?
[03:24] <joe|code> Webmin
[03:24] <_kevin> synd all my program on gnome will be there and run from the menu?
[03:24] <synd> _kevin, yes
[03:24] <jjesse> i use webmin on my debian boxes and i enjoy it
[03:24] <_kevin> linux ROCKS
[03:24] <jjesse> joe|code
[03:24] <nova> heh joe|code im trying to set it up
[03:24] <synd> _kevin, the desktop is just a bit different, thats all.
[03:25] <nova> jjesse, any way to create a user by moddifing a file?
[03:25] <thoreauputic> _kevin: actually KDE apps will be there too, if you have any
[03:25] <_kevin> ohh ye I taught it would be something totally different
[03:25] <jjesse> nova in webmin or?
[03:25] <synd> _kevin, xfce is much more minimalistic compared to gnome. it also is a bit faster. much noticible on older machines.
[03:25] <nova> i need to set it up but no root login on ubuntu and i dont want there to be
[03:25] <_kevin> i taught u couldn't run program from different desktops
[03:25] <nova> yeh webmin
[03:25] <jjesse> i've nver had webmin on ubunut
[03:25] <anirz_> synd which one u r more comfortable with.. talking about desktop
[03:25] <avinoam> by the way how do i see what graphics card ubuntu is configured to?
[03:25] <synd> anirz_, i love xfce
[03:25] <Methynutnut> cyphase: thank
[03:25] <Methynutnut> s
[03:25] <nova> yeh but maybe files for usernames pass etc are the same?
[03:25] <anirz_> so can i download it from here synd
[03:25] <_kevin> synd can you tell me the command i type to change my gnome to xfce
[03:25] <synd> anirz_, but when introducing people to Ubuntu, i show them gnome
[03:25] <Xappe> the wm in XFce is fast
[03:25] <jjesse> nova i don't know how to add a user through modifying a file, but don't you need a password for root in webmin?
[03:26] <nova> or a command i can pass by command line to add one?
[03:26] <thoreauputic> _kevin: you can run any program from any desktop - if you have the libraries installed
[03:26] <_kevin> I'm on ubuntu horay 5.04
[03:26] <synd> anirz_, yes, sudo apt-get install xfce4
[03:26] <cyphase> Methynutnut, np
[03:26] <jjesse> maybe there is a work around?
[03:26] <nova> yeh exactly my problem jjesse
[03:26] <avinoam> i need to find out what chipset i have
[03:26] <synd> _kevin, sudo apt-get install xfce4
[03:26] <topyli> jjesse: i enabled root for about 10 minutes, to create another webmin user :)
[03:26] <_kevin> ok thanks
[03:26] <nova> ack i guess ill just set up root login
[03:26] <thoreauputic> _kevin: then choose it from "sessions" when you log in
[03:26] <synd> _kevin, use syanptic and search for "xfce", there are a few plugins that you may be interested in.
[03:27] <_kevin> oh
[03:27] <jjesse> topyli then you just un enabled root after you setup your user?
[03:27] <topyli> jjesse: yeah
[03:27] <bene> re
[03:27] <bigfoot> synd, thoreauputic i've retried vlc and xnie right now, and they both are choppy. and choppy even when the window is small.This makes me think that the probelm is with my processor. Am i wrong? WHat may be causesgi the choppiness? A few hours ago, I had no problems. But now i do.
[03:27] <_kevin> i never used it before so could you tell me the plugins i would need
[03:27] <thoreauputic> _kevin: first indstall xfce4 though :)
[03:27] <jjesse> topyli maybe next time i run a server w/ ubuntu on it i'll do that
[03:28] <synd> bigfoot, your system is more than adequate
[03:28] <anirz_> synd which one u prefer?? KDE or GNOME?? i find nothing much i can do with GNOME.. talking about customising
[03:28] <jjesse> i mostly run debian on server and ubuntu on desktop
[03:28] <axident> Ok I need a hand setting up my soundcard... I have Intel High Definition Audio subsystem using the Realtek ALC860 audio codec... I dont know how to configure my card for linux...  alsaconf doesn't want to work all I get is 'command not found' and I am a bit of a noob and don't know any other ways to get my sound working.
[03:28] <synd> anirz_, I like gnome much more than kde. its really just an opinion.
[03:29] <bene> ciao
[03:29] <_kevin> same i like gnome more then kda
[03:29] <synd> anirz_, this is my gnome desktop: http://photobucket.com/albums/v43/pmartin245/?action=view&current=6c004d9c.jpg
[03:29] <_kevin> kde*
[03:29] <thoreauputic> _kevin: you won't "need" plugins - but some of them night be nice to have :)
[03:29] <_kevin> ohh ok
[03:29] <webmind> is ti me, or is the ubuntu help out of date ?
[03:29] <_kevin> i'll look into it
[03:29] <bigfoot> synd, i think so, too. But what i don't understand is the inconistency of this problem. Few hours ago, movie file playback was perfect. after I paused it/stopped and then resumed, it's bad. ANd it's been bad ever since then.
[03:29] <webmind> the build in one
[03:29] <_kevin> right now its downloading
[03:30] <anirz_> synd i find both are equally great..
[03:30] <synd> _kevin, awesome.
[03:30] <synd> anirz_, i just dont like the feel of KDE. it feels like WinXP (please dont flame me)
[03:30] <anirz_> hey synd how do u put the icons on the lower panel?
[03:30] <synd> just a personal opinion : )
[03:31] <anirz_> synd, lol
[03:31] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: it's possible you have a rogue process still running somewhere - eg if you do "killall xine" or similar then try again it might clear up
[03:31] <_kevin> hopefully it'll help spead up my crappy box, amd 1.4 ghz Thunderbird, 128 mb ddr ram
[03:31] <synd> _kevin, oh for sure
[03:31] <Ironfrost> how do u put the icons on the lower panel?  <-- right-click on it and select 'add to panel'
[03:31] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, a if a rogue process is running, i should see the name of the mediaplayer in "top," shouldn't I?
[03:32] <_kevin> i need to buy more ram... i'm thinking a 512 mb ddr
[03:32] <thoreauputic> synd: I know what you mean - but you can customise it to be really minimal if you wish (or any other way pretty much)
[03:32] <anirz_> synd i want to just change the default look of ubuntu desktop
[03:32] <synd> _kevin, i run xfce on a P3 600mhz, 128MB. its a big difference compared to gnome.
[03:32] <_kevin> oh ye
[03:32] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: probably, or something related to it
[03:32] <_kevin> now you have me really excited
[03:32] <anirz_> synd is xfce faster??
[03:32] <synd> thoreauputic, i figured you could customize it. i just was never thrilled with the default setup so i just hadnt tried customizing it.
[03:32] <thoreauputic> _kevin: xfce4 is nice :)
[03:32] <synd> anirz_, yes
[03:33] <anirz_> do u have any screenshoot? synd?
[03:33] <thoreauputic> synd: fair enough :)
[03:33] <synd> anirz_, much more noticable on older systems. ie. non p4's
[03:33] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, nothing rogue-y in "top." and my system monitor shows low level of processor usage.
[03:33] <bigfoot> Could it be that the mediaprograms are just having a fit?
[03:33] <synd> anirz_, i just showed you one
[03:33] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: haha - indeed
[03:34] <anirz_> that was gnome?? i suppose synd
[03:34] <kestas> I keep on having this problem where gedit won't write to a certain file for no apparent reason, where nano will write to it just fine
[03:34] <kestas> this is on a network mounted drive
[03:34] <synd> anirz_, yes that was gnome
[03:34] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I would try logging out and in again, if you don't want to play detective
[03:34] <kestas> and I just dont understand it, there are no error messages from gedit
[03:34] <anirz_> synd,  i am loving your car.. more than linux..lol
[03:34] <kestas> also, when I try to unmount it, it says 'device busy'
[03:34] <bigfoot> i thought that Linux is a smooth kind of OS. Where programs are coolheaded and logical, and don't throw temper tantrums or fits.
[03:34] <synd> anirz_, i have not customized my xfce4 desktop.. im happy with the default : )
[03:35] <kestas> and when I use lsof to find out which files are using it, it lists gam_serve.
[03:35] <synd> anirz_, thanks. which one interests you? the mercedes, jaguar or the bmw?
[03:35] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: depends on the programmer, I think ;)
[03:35] <kestas> gam_serve apparently monitors directories for nautilus, but Ive closed nautilus down
[03:35] <kestas> so why is gam_serve still listening for changes on my network mounted drive?
[03:35] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, yeah, I guess I could try logging in and out. I just thought that Linux is the kind of OS where you could be kept log-on til the day you die, compared to Windows, where you must restart due to installation of a program, or a problem.
[03:35] <kestas> http://pastebin.com/294569
[03:35] <anirz_> how many cars u have synd
[03:36] <kestas> can anyone explain this weird behaviour? I dont get it
[03:36] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: logout/in != reboot
[03:36] <synd> anirz_, the mercedes is my current one. the jaguar is my mothers and the BMW is my old one, may it rest in peace. (i totalled it)
[03:36] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, i wish media programs were developed well for my setup.
[03:36] <bigfoot> okay, i'll reboot.
[03:36] <bigfoot> hope it works.
[03:36] <kestas> bigfoot: you need to use minimalistic software to avoid rebooting
[03:36] <odie5533> How do I make a link to a folder?
[03:37] <synd> odie5533, make a shortcut?
[03:37] <odie5533> Yes
[03:37] <anirz_> synd thankx.
[03:37] <bigfoot> what's minimalistic software? And would having it give a "virtual reboot" or something? What's it for? Can it do everything a reboot can+
[03:37] <Rotund> is ubuntu-calendar officially dead?
[03:37] <bigfoot> kestas?
[03:37] <tchmnky> odie5533, ln -s /go/to/here /from/here
[03:37] <Rotund> I haven't gotten one since April
[03:37] <odie5533> Thanks
[03:37] <kestas> so can no-one help me with my gam_serve/gedit wont save a file but nano will/unmounting problems?
[03:38] <synd> anirz_, no problem. running xfce yet?
[03:38] <tchmnky> odie5533, rather: ln -s /from/here /go/to/here
[03:38] <djp> does anyone know why when i try to encode mp3's with audacity the output is a silent file of 0kbs?
[03:38] <Rotund> djp: maybe missing a library?
[03:38] <thoreauputic> tchmnky: no you had it right the first time
[03:38] <bigfoot> is there a way to somehow only "reboot" particular programs? (in my case, the media playing programs)
[03:38] <thoreauputic> ln -s target link
[03:39] <djp> Rotund: i have installed lame-dev and lame0, anything else needed?
[03:39] <synd> bigfoot, killall
[03:39] <tchmnky> djp, Audacity asks for libmp3lame.so - has Audacity asked you where to find the library?
[03:39] <kestas> bigfoot: killall -HUP program
[03:39] <Rotund> dlp: lemme look
[03:39] <anirz_> synd i have not installed yet .. let me check their site
[03:39] <djp> tchmnky: yes, have located that
[03:39] <synd> bigfoot, xfce is avail in the apt
[03:39] <tchmnky> thoreauputic, I usually get ln back to front.
[03:39] <Rotund> djp: oops... that was my idea.
[03:39] <bigfoot> synd, kestas, but killall only works if the program is currently running. What if it's not?
[03:39] <thoreauputic> tchmnky: so do I :)
[03:39] <synd> sorry bigfoot, i meant anirz_
[03:39] <Rotund> no clue.  Use gst-launch =)
[03:39] <Rotund> or Ogg
[03:39] <kestas> bigfoot: well then thats not restarting it :P
[03:40] <thoreauputic> tchmnky: I remember it as ln -s target link
[03:40] <tchmnky> djp. It's a pain, but try saving from Audacity to .wav, and then using lame to encode it to mp3.
[03:40] <bigfoot> okay, kestas .
[03:40] <synd> bigfoot, if it aint running, then it cant be techinically restarted : P
[03:40] <anirz_> synd do u know the site ??
[03:40] <bigfoot> okay.
[03:40] <kestas> so anyway no-one can help with my problem? http://pastebin.com/294569
[03:40] <synd> anirz_, for what?
[03:40] <kestas> anyone know where I can go to find someone who can?
[03:40] <anirz_> synd xfce
[03:41] <anirz_> synd got it
[03:41] <djp> tchmnky: is this a known issue then with audacity? also have i installed the right packages by installing lame-dev and lame0?
[03:41] <kestas> guys how do I install xfce?
[03:41] <synd> anirz_, sudo apt-get install xfce4
[03:41] <synd> kestas, sudo apt-get install xfce4
[03:41] <kestas> synd: okay great now that Ive got your attention how about solving something non-trivial http://pastebin.com/294569
[03:41] <tchmnky> djp, not to my knowledge. I use Audacity pretty frequently, and have no trouble after telling it where to find lib for lame.
[03:41] <anirz_> synd what is the size?
[03:41] <kestas> gam_serve is playing up
[03:41] <Rotund> kestas: one way is they have installers on xfce.org
[03:41] <kestas> Rotund: okay great now that Ive got your attention how about solving something non-trivial http://pastebin.com/294569
[03:41] <synd> kestas, i looked at your pastebin, i have no idea about that.
[03:42] <tchmnky> djp, I could md5sum my libmp3lame.so for you, to see if it matches yours if you like...
[03:42] <kestas> :(
[03:42] <thoreauputic> kestas: no need to repeat
[03:42] <djp> tchmnky: it appears to make a noise when i play the encoded mp3 but not the sound it should make!
[03:42] <Rotund> kestas: what exactly is the problem?  gam_server is going haywire?
[03:42] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> hit google.com/linux
[03:42] <djp> tchmnky: sure. please do.
[03:42] <anirz_> synd what is the downloading size of xfce?
[03:42] <kestas> people seem to repeat the same FAQ answers every day thoreauputic, but that doesnt seem to bother many :P
[03:42] <Rotund> kestas: I have to pkill -9 gam_serve all the time
[03:42] <synd> anirz_, shouldnt be no more than 25mb
[03:42] <kestas> Rotund: hmm damn thats annoying
[03:42] <synd> anirz_, im not on ubuntu, so i cant check
[03:43] <anirz_> wow thats great.. i am off
[03:43] <tchmnky> djp, 20ac32cd0185cca0c104caefb6e0fb3e  /usr/local/lib/libmp3lame.so
[03:43] <synd> anirz_, im sure its on the net somewhere, i just dont feel like loking for it
[03:43] <kestas> Rotund: the thing is it messes up sometimes when I try to save a file using gedit, which is a major pita
[03:43] <Rotund> kestas: well.  They tried to reimplement FAM and failed
[03:43] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, ! I have a "lead." I was worried about "processor." But what if the problem is "memory" coz my SystemMonitor applet show Memory to be "100% in use"? Could Memory have anything to do with choppy video-file-on-hard-drive playback?
[03:43] <thoreauputic> kestas: umm - I don't see your point, sorry
[03:43] <anirz_> synd no problem..
[03:43] <anirz_> synd u r helping me a lot anyways
[03:43] <synd> bigfoot, yes
[03:43] <kestas> Rotund: this seems to happen only when Im using a network mounted drive though
[03:43] <Rotund> kestas: hmmm.  I haven't seen that
[03:43] <djp> tchmnky: is that version 3.96.1?
[03:43] <Rotund> ahhh.  NFS?
[03:43] <bigfoot> synd, what's taking up memory?
[03:43] <synd> bigfoot, but 256MB ddr is sufficient, in my opinon
[03:43] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: how much RAM do you have?
[03:43] <bigfoot> how can i figure out what's taking memory?
[03:43] <synd> bigfoot, youd have to look at your sys monitor
[03:44] <useruser> bigfoot: if video memory is shared with main memory, then especially so
[03:44] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, 250mb ram.
[03:44] <tchmnky> djp, yes. 3.96.1
[03:44] <kestas> Rotund: there was apparently an error where lots of similar stuff happened, but it was apparently fixed in gamin 0.0.25, and ubuntu uses 0.0.26
[03:44] <kestas> Rotund: nope its smbfs
[03:44] <djp> tchmnky: do u think a restart of my machine would help?
[03:44] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: should be enough
[03:44] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> top
[03:44] <djp> tchmnky: same version as mine
[03:44] <bigfoot> useruser, yes, i don't have a dedicated video card, so i think video mem is shared with main memory.
[03:44] <Rotund> kestas: just copy it to the local computer and edit it then copy it back.
[03:44] <tchmnky> If the md5 sum doesn't match I'd say the file is pretty screwed. Otherwise, I don't know what to tell you.
[03:44] <anirz_> synd i have 256MB DDR ,64 bit 1.8 Gz processor. will xfce run on 64 bit??
[03:44] <bigfoot> then why is the SystemMonitor panel showing "100% memory is being used"?
[03:44] <synd> anirz_, yes
[03:44] <Rotund> It's probably due to latency of it not being local or something
[03:44] <tchmnky> djp, Gnome has fixed itself by a restart of the machine now and then. But I don't see why a library would act the same. Worth a shot, I guess.
[03:45] <synd> anirz_, xfce is just a window manager
[03:45] <useruser> bigfoot: i don't know a way around that problem :(
[03:45] <djp> tchmnky: k. thanks anyway
[03:45] <Rotund> kestas: gotta run
[03:45] <kestas> Rotund: well I edit php, so Ill edit something, save it and open it on my webserver straight away, if theres an error I can edit it and save it straight away
[03:45] <djp> tchmnky: just to check... lame-dev and lame0 r the only packages in need right?
[03:45] <kestas> bah
[03:45] <bigfoot> useruser, is there a way i could figure out what's taking up the memory? IS there some command i can run in terminal, to find out? There must be one, no?
[03:46] <Rotund> kestas: is the web server on the local network?
[03:46] <useruser> bigfoot: top
[03:46] <kestas> Rotund: yeup
[03:46] <bigfoot> oh, top does that too?
[03:46] <Rotund> kestas: what speed?
[03:46] <] BreliC[> my machine (AMD64 3500+, 1GB Ram, 300GB SATA, 16x DVDRW/CDRW) is ripping my CDs like molasses!  1.3-1.4x on average.  I checked to enable the dma on the SATA drive, but no dice as it's recognized as a SCSI device and is assigned /dev/sda... hdparm won't let me change the dma...
[03:46] <Rotund> 100MBs?
[03:46] <useruser> bigfoot: press M when it's running to sort by memory usage
[03:46] <tchmnky> djp, I'm not 100% on that one... but having the -dev pkg always helps.
[03:46] <kestas> Rotund: fast enough; I get about 3mB/s when copying over smbfs
[03:46] <synd> ] BreliC[, odd
[03:46] <kestas> I dont think its a speed problem
[03:46] <djp> tchmnky: sorry... liblame0 and liblame-dev are the packages i have installed
[03:46] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: or ps aux | less
[03:47] <Rotund> kestas: now compare that to your HDD locally where you should get 100MB/s
[03:47] <synd> ] BreliC[, thats definitely a DMA issue. i just dunno how to enable it.
[03:47] <] BreliC[> further, if I try to enable DMA on the DVDROM (/dev/cdrom), it gives me the following error: /dev/cdrom:
[03:47] <] BreliC[>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[03:47] <] BreliC[>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[03:47] <] BreliC[>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[03:47] <kestas> Rotund: no way hosay.. not 100mB/s
[03:47] <kestas> Rotund: maybe 30-40
[03:47] <Rotund> kestas: and the latency is better.
[03:47] <Fator_Dee> ] BreliC[: did you sudo it? (just checking)
[03:47] <tchmnky> Well Audacity just uses, AFAIK the one library, libmp3lame.so -- So liblame0 or liblame-dev, whichever supplys that file, is all you really need.
[03:47] <anirz_> synd okay .. so while loging in i have to select between gnome and xfce .. thats all..
[03:47] <] BreliC[> Fator_Dee, yes indeed
[03:47] <Rotund> kestas: Okay... so still a factor of 10
[03:47] <synd> anirz_, yeah. it may be a good idea to restart X
[03:48] <] BreliC[> anyone else run into this kind of problem?  or is there a workaround?
[03:48] <anirz_> okay synd
[03:48] <Rotund> (unless you got a nice RAID drive w/ SATA2)
[03:48] <synd> anirz_, ctrl+alt+backspace
[03:48] <Rotund> outtie... bye
[03:48] <kestas> Rotund: youre not telling me its having problems getting quick directory listings of small directories with a 3mB/s connection
[03:48] <kestas> Rotund: my old hdd has 3mB/s
[03:48] <kestas> bah
[03:48] <djp> tchmnky: could you email me a copy of your .so file, just so i could try it?
[03:48] <axident> ] BreliC[, My drive runs slow as hell too but I haven't fiddled with it yet...
[03:48] <anirz_> synd one personal question if you dont mind...
[03:49] <thoreauputic> ] BreliC[: I assume you are prepending "sudo" to your hdparm commands ?
[03:49] <synd> anirz_, sure
[03:49] <tchmnky> djp, sure... /msg me the address.
[03:49] <] BreliC[> thoreauputic, yessir
[03:49] <anirz_> synd do u really drive at 160 MPH?? amazing
[03:49] <useruser> tchmnky: ldd $(which audacity) doesn't mention lame for me at all - looks like libmad is doing the work there
[03:49] <Rotund> kestas: yeah, but it usually uses the kernel to detect file changes... which is difficult over the network.  Gamin probably should be disabled on network drives by default
[03:49] <synd> thoreauputic, (09:47)  Fator_Dee  ] BreliC[: did you sudo it? (just checking) : P
[03:49] <bigfoot> is it normal to have memory at "100% is being used"? IS this how computers work?
[03:49] <axident> Ok I need a hand setting up my soundcard... I have Intel High Definition Audio subsystem using the Realtek ALC860 audio codec... I dont know how to configure my card for linux...  alsaconf doesn't want to work all I get is 'command not found' and I am a bit of a noob and don't know any other ways to get my sound working.
[03:49] <synd> thoreauputic, : p
[03:49] <] BreliC[> it's ridiculous to be ripping my CDs at 1.3x
[03:49] <synd> anirz_, im a speed freak.
[03:49] <thoreauputic> synd: OK missed that - thnks :)
[03:50] <anirz_> synd seems having a great life.. carry on
[03:50] <tchmnky> useruser, Interesting. Audacity does explicity ask for the lame library itself when you first export to mp3 though...
[03:50] <useruser> bigfoot: it's not unusual to get near-100% physical memory use in linux - lots of that memory is probably being used to cache files.
[03:50] <synd> anirz_, the fastest ive gone is 198MPH
[03:50] <kestas> Rotund: true.. guess if I use scite+bash instead of gedit+nautilus thatll probably sort it out.. still dont like cutting back on productivity though
[03:50] <kestas> Rotund: and it only started messing up fairly recently
[03:50] <] BreliC[> strangely enough, I have a /dev/hda listed.. is that normal?  (All I have is one SATA drive, and one optical drive)
[03:50] <yendor_of_ny> I have a question about installing plugins for Firefox...(Linux newbie):-$
[03:50] <useruser> tchmnky: ok, that's odd :)
[03:51] <] BreliC[> /dev/hda:
[03:51] <] BreliC[>  IO_support   =  0 (default 16-bit)
[03:51] <] BreliC[>  unmaskirq    =  0 (off)
[03:51] <] BreliC[>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[03:51] <] BreliC[>  keepsettings =  0 (off)
[03:51] <] BreliC[>  readonly     =  0 (off)
[03:51] <] BreliC[>  readahead    = 256 (on)
[03:51] <anirz_> synd u should be in F1.. I belive even they drive slower than that now
[03:51] <] BreliC[>  HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument
[03:51] <useruser> tchmnky: oh, libmad0 is an mp3 DEcoder
[03:51] <useruser> tchmnky: so i take it back
[03:51] <synd> ] BreliC[, dont paste here. use pastebin or #flood
[03:51] <] BreliC[> synd, oops, sorry..
[03:51] <bigfoot> okay, i'm going to do  a reboot and see if that solves the choppy video file problem. see you soon synd, useruser , thoreauputic !
[03:52] <] BreliC[> synd, could /dev/hda be my optical drive??
[03:52] <synd> ] BreliC[, yes
[03:52] <anirz_> synd if i install xfce now do i have to reboot my system?
[03:52] <synd> ] BreliC[, by default, /dev/hda is yoru HDD
[03:52] <synd> anirz_, no
[03:52] <thoreauputic> anirz_: no
[03:52] <Fator_Dee> by default, HDA is the primary ide master
[03:52] <] BreliC[> synd, so in its absence, cdrom becomes the hda master?
[03:52] <synd> anirz_, just log out, click session > xfce session, log back in
[03:53] <thoreauputic> anirz_: just log out, and choose the xfce session
[03:53] <thoreauputic> synd: heh
[03:53] <] BreliC[> Fator_Dee, ahh, thanks, should be able to set the dma now
[03:53] <synd> ] BreliC[, hmm. im not sure
[03:53] <Fator_Dee> HDB is primary ide slave, HDC secondary ide master, HDD sencady ide slave
[03:53] <NTolerance> does anyone here use an Orinoco wireless card in Ubuntu?
[03:53] <synd> haha thoreauputic
[03:53] <synd> : )
[03:53] <thoreauputic> :)
[03:54] <anirz_> synd i am getting an error message
[03:54] <] BreliC[> Fator_Dee, right.. well, i tried to hdparm the /dev/hda which seems to be my optical drive, and again, won't let me (Operation not permitted)... yes, I sudo'd
[03:54] <synd> anirz_ ?
[03:54] <anirz_> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavail able)
[03:54] <synd> anirz_, you need the repos
[03:54] <synd> anirz_ i believe
[03:54] <anirz_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc
[03:54] <Fator_Dee> could it be a bios-issue :-\
[03:55] <anirz_> synd which one??
[03:55] <Fator_Dee> bios-motherboard-device
[03:55] <] BreliC[> Fator_Dee, hmm, i can't hurt to check
[03:55] <synd> anirz_, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[03:55] <yendor_of_ny> Anyone wanna IM a Linux newbie about loading Firefox plug-ins?
[03:55] <synd> yendor_of_ny, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[03:56] <yendor_of_ny> thanks, I'll check there
[03:56] <synd> yendor_of_ny, theres a lot of info there, make sure you do each step.
[03:57] <synd> : D
[03:57] <yendor_of_ny> Ok, I'm really confused about where to put these files & what to do with them...
[03:57] <tchmnky> yendor_of_ny, which files?
[03:57] <synd> yendor_of_ny, what files? the plugins?
[03:57] <yendor_of_ny> Flash Player, Realplayer...
[03:58] <synd> yendor_of_ny, theres a way to install them, but i find it easier to do it the ubuntu way
[03:58] <yendor_of_ny> for viewing video from firefox
[03:58] <yendor_of_ny> ubuntu way?
[03:58] <tchmnky> synd, what about apt-get install mozilla-firefox-realplayer? Are there no debs in the repos for that?
[03:58] <Davey> I had to use gxine to get video to work sorta in firefox :/
[03:59] <synd> yendor_of_ny, i suggest deleting them and doing it the apt-get install way (the ubuntu way : p )
[03:59] <thoreauputic> tchmnky: realplay is non-free : you have to use their (crappy) installer/app
[04:00] <tchmnky> yendor_of_ny, the Flash player can be got from the Macromedia site. It's a text-mode (terminal) script that installs the plugin for any browsers it finds.
[04:00] <tchmnky> thoreauputic, What about backports, multiverse etc?
[04:00] <synd> tchmnky, i wouldnt bother with backports
[04:01] <anirz_> synd after installing i dont have to buy any extra s/w..
[04:01] <tchmnky> synd, no -- I tried it before when I uncommented it from my sources.list -- I couldn't even finish the apt-get update, it was so slow!
[04:01] <thoreauputic> the backports are on crack :/
[04:01] <anirz_> and i dont know from where to buy ..lol
[04:01] <synd> anirz_ buy what?
[04:01] <anirz_> i mean after installing linux
[04:01] <yendor_of_ny> Ubuntu loaded without any problems in my Latitude CPx laptop, with wireless netgear card. now I have to learn how to install programs/drivers, plugins, etc... apt-get install? in a terminal window? Do I have to be logged in as root?
[04:01] <redboar> synd: I like backports
[04:01] <tchmnky> redboar, when it's up. ;)
[04:02] <redboar> I'm using a mirror it works good
[04:02] <pestilence> yendor_of_ny: synaptic is the tool of choice for beginners
[04:02] <yendor_of_ny> I did the install for flash player & it said that it failed & gave me the option to manually install
[04:02] <anirz_> synd i mean after installing linux i have not bought any software.. even office comes with it
[04:02] <Davey> yendor_of_ny: System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager :)
[04:02] <yendor_of_ny> thanks Davey
[04:02] <Davey> anirz_: I can't say the same
[04:02] <ksnak> # yogyakarta
[04:02] <yendor_of_ny> I'll check there
[04:03] <anirz_> Davey, what do u have to say?
[04:03] <redboar> anirz: no other reason to run it
[04:03] <tchmnky> Davey, you've bought Linux software?
[04:03] <marsh> hey...
[04:03] <synd> brb, i have to goto a meeting
[04:03] <marsh> howsya, people?
[04:03] <Davey> tchmnky: software that runs on linux, yes
[04:03] <anirz_> i am new to linux.. so i dont know much. i dont know if i can use Oracle in linux?? can i?
[04:03] <marsh> like the ubuntu.... at last a linux set up the way I've been fighting to get the others
[04:04] <anirz_> synd take care
[04:04] <redboar> marsh: first distro that actually gives a crap about working display drivers
[04:04] <tchmnky> Davey, I don't know why you would do that. Invariably, IMO, opensource hackers come up with the goods quicker and better than commercial companies. :)
[04:05] <anirz_> Davey, in linux which database manager to use?
[04:05] <zAo^> can anyone tell me if Xubuntu will be created?
[04:05] <Davey> anirz_: database manager? you mean an RDBMS or something to manage one? :)
[04:05] <Davey> tchmnky: Zend Studio - but I use it on WinXP/OSX too
[04:05] <Davey> tchmnky: and nobody even came close in the OSS world
[04:06] <nanomad> hi all!
[04:06] <anirz_> yes RDBMS Davey . I used Oracle 9i in Windows. so which one i can use here??
[04:06] <redboar> what is Zend Studio?
[04:06] <pestilence> anirz_: http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/oracle10g/index.html
[04:06] <nanomad> Is this the correct place to post a question regarding breezy?
[04:07] <anirz_> pestilence, is that i can use oracle in linux?
[04:07] <pestilence> anirz_: if you look at that link, you will see right at the top there are downloads for linux
[04:07] <pestilence> anirz_: i've never used oracle, but i'm certain they support linux.
[04:08] <marsh> redboar - seems like they give a crap about lots of stuff...
[04:08] <marsh> good lads!
[04:08] <marsh> (and gals)!
[04:08] <anirz_> pestilence, thank you very much indeed.
[04:08] <thoreauputic> nanomad: yes, but don't expect any sympathy ;-)
[04:08] <Davey> redboar: PHP Development IDE
[04:08] <othernoob> anyone know a program which will turn 2 avis into a dvd + menus ?
[04:08] <anirz_> pestilence,  do u have any idea what front i can use instead of Visual Basic in linux
[04:08] <nanomad> thoreauputic, mmh..ok...well i've posted it in ubuntu-devel
[04:08] <marsh> anyone know how i can use mplayer to play dvd's though?
[04:09] <Davey> anirz_: if you are used to the power of Oracle, try PostgreSQL :)
[04:09] <Davey> anirz_: PgSQL is *very* nice :)
[04:09] <anirz_> forgive me if i sound like trying to compare Win with Lin.
[04:09] <redboar> marsh:  yes the mentality is not typical of other distros, that as long as it works as a server, they don't want to deal with anything that applies to desktop use
[04:09] <pestilence> anirz_: you mean an IDE?  you can use anjuta or kdevelop.
[04:09] <Fator_Dee> marsh: do you have installed libdvdcss
[04:09] <tchmnky> Davey, Never used it, though I did PHP stuff for a while myself. I did hear Zend Studio was good stuff. :)
[04:09] <marsh> yeah - i have installed libdvdcss2
[04:09] <anirz_> pestilence, so will anjuta work in Windows env?
[04:10] <marsh> but just getting a blank screen when i try to play a dvd
[04:10] <nanomad> anyone using breezy has the altgr key broken?
[04:10] <thoreauputic> anirz_: umm.. I don't think so
[04:10] <anirz_> i design s/w which runs on win env
[04:10] <pestilence> othernoob: i doubt there is a single program to do that, but there are collections of programs that will do what you want.  see transcode, for starters
[04:10] <Fab_> hi. which video player for linux (i got totem, xine and mplayer) can use .srt subtitle files?
[04:10] <pestilence> anirz_: no.  i thought we were talking about ubuntu in here.
[04:10] <anirz_> Davey, yup i have used PlSQL.. great
[04:10] <anirz_> pestilence,  i am sorry
[04:11] <pestilence> anirz_: at least, not to my knowledge.  i don't use windows
[04:11] <anirz_> pestilence,  i was talking about linux as whole
[04:11] <thoreauputic> anirz_: use vi - that runs on windows I believe ;)
[04:11] <tchmnky> Fab_, doesn't mplayer understand srt subtitles? I never use them myself. VLC might (it's like mplayer: http://www.videolan.org)
[04:12] <pestilence> anirz_: do you mean, will programs written in anjuta run in windows?
[04:12] <anirz_> pestilence, no no i am not trying to compare or anything.. i am sorry
[04:12] <marsh> mplayer doesn't even try to read the dvd - if i stop it (can only do so from ^c in term) I get message to say 'Error in Display' - BadIDChoice
[04:12] <anirz_> pestilence, thats right
[04:12] <Ironfrost> VLC might (it's like mplayer: http://www.videolan.org)  <--  VLC definitely supports a seperate subtitle file
[04:12] <Fab_> tchmnky: i dont know, but mplayer is borked atm on this system so i cant try, thats why i asked :)
[04:12] <Fator_Dee> Fab_: I think they can all read 'em
[04:12] <anirz_> thoreauputic, vi.. is it available in synaptics?
[04:12] <pestilence> anirz_: ah.  anjuta can be used to write code in any language, so...
[04:13] <Ironfrost> mplayer has that option too
[04:13] <Fab_> Fator_Dee: i dont find an option in totem, and xine crashes when i select the file
[04:13] <Fab_> and as i said, i need to reinstall mplayer first
[04:13] <Fab_> but if it can do that, ill try asap
[04:13] <Fab_> :)
[04:13] <thoreauputic> anirz_: it was kind of a joke - vi is the default editor in *nix (more or less)
[04:13] <tchmnky> Fab_, if your mplayer is b0rked, best to get vlc. :) I use it over mplayer now all the time. Just remember to get the gtk package for wxvlc, or it'll look very... 'Redmonish'. ;)
[04:13] <marsh> totem does the same
[04:13] <Fator_Dee> Fab_: are their filenames exactly the same, not indluding the suffix
[04:13] <Fab_> Fator_Dee: no, they are not. That might be the problem, haha
[04:14] <Fator_Dee> when they are, they will be played by default
[04:14] <davide> hi everyone
[04:14] <redboar> I hate vi
[04:14] <pestilence> thoreauputic: i thought ed was the default editor :)
[04:14] <Fab_> Fator_dee and everony else: Thank you :D
[04:14] <Fab_> works with correct file name
[04:14] <Fab_> bye :)
[04:14] <Fator_Dee> default editor is $EDITOR
[04:15] <thoreauputic> pestilence: hahah - see http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/edistheeditor.txt
[04:15] <davide> I have a problem with the login screen...it's completely upside-down
[04:15] <thoreauputic> pestilence: :D
[04:15] <redboar> vi needs better instructions
[04:15] <Amaranth> redboar: man vi
[04:15] <Fator_Dee> davide: upside-down :-o
[04:15] <Amaranth> redboar: but you should be using vim
[04:15] <Fator_Dee> davide: get a screenshot :-D
[04:15] <davide> no, sorry, not really upside-down
[04:15] <thoreauputic> redboar: vimtutor
[04:15] <davide> :-)
[04:15] <Fator_Dee> :-<
[04:16] <pestilence> hahaha
[04:16] <davide> but I have large size fonts (half screen!)
[04:16] <pestilence> thoreauputic: "Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all."
[04:16] <thoreauputic> pestilence: :)
[04:17] <redboar> thor, is that an app?
[04:17] <thoreauputic> what you get is what you get...
[04:17] <davide> i don't know what's the matter
[04:17] <redboar> ed looks nerdy
[04:17] <thoreauputic> redboar: sure
[04:17] <lampshade> is Ed that editor that goes only one line at a time
[04:17] <thoreauputic> lampshade: yup
[04:17] <davide> when Ubuntu starts it's all right
[04:17] <thoreauputic> lampshade: don't go there unless you are a masochist
[04:18] <davide> but the login screen...
[04:18] <lampshade> hahah  I've played with that one.  It is really hardcore.  I know someone who did like a senior design project in only Ed
[04:18] <davide> ...sucks
[04:18] <davide> it happened after I made the configuration of xorg
[04:18] <Davey> anyone here run Photoshop 7 in wine?
[04:18] <redboar> is ed a *nix thing?
[04:18] <redboar> ;)
[04:18] <Amaranth> Fator_Dee: my screen is upside down
[04:18] <Amaranth> Davey: the only time i've seen that work is with a 2003 copy of wine
[04:18] <thoreauputic> redboar: yes, ancient *nix history
[04:19] <Amaranth> Fator_Dee: http://www.realistanew.com/screwed.png :D
[04:19] <Fator_Dee> Amaranth: well me how to do it
[04:19] <lampshade> redboar:  yeah, I think it is more really old unix thing.  Off the top of my head I don't know if I know a linux that comes with it
[04:19] <thoreauputic> http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/dil-unix.gif
[04:19] <Fator_Dee> or is that gimped :-|
[04:19] <mindspin> suse 6.0 came with it
[04:19] <Amaranth> Fator_Dee: gimped, but there is a way of doing it, they do it for tablet pc/laptop hybrids
[04:19] <redboar> LOL I remember that Dilbert
[04:20] <Amaranth> xrandr or something
[04:20] <marsh> no one can help at all with totem/mplayer not getting even to looking at the dvd drive?
[04:20] <thoreauputic> lampshade: you obviously haven't tried typing "ed" in a terminal :)
[04:20] <redboar> It made me laugh because it's mostly true
[04:20] <marsh> all I wanna do is play a dvd :(
[04:20] <Amaranth> marsh: you need libdvdcss
[04:20] <marsh> i got it
[04:21] <marsh> Amaranth, although i say that, I got libdvdcss2 - that good enough?
[04:21] <tchmnky> marsh, I have the same kind of problem, but I don't use my computer for DVDs anyway -- I don't have a /dev/dvd device file; Is that your problem too?
[04:21] <Amaranth> marsh: should be
[04:22] <marsh> p^ssw0rd1
[04:22] <redboar> does it read CDs OK?
[04:22] <fabs> Hello all
[04:22] <tchmnky> hey
[04:22] <marsh> Oops...!
[04:23] <Amaranth> marsh: nice
[04:23] <fabs> guys I need a lil help, is there any way to copy ubuntu live cd to hdd?
[04:23] <redboar> marsh:  no?
[04:23] <Amaranth> marsh: that's almost as bad as the time i spammed my iTunes Music Store password on #c#
[04:23] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: not his nickserv password, already tried to ghost ;)
[04:24] <marsh> redboar the mplayer? hang on - i just trying...
[04:24] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: :)
[04:24] <Amaranth> marsh: run this from a terminal: gmplayer -zoom -dvd
[04:25] <fabs> guys; ubuntu livecd tohd is it possible, I need to backup my data
[04:25] <dwarf> I'm trying to connect to internet via a vpn connection. /var/log/messages gives me thumbs up, but when I'm trying to enter a page nothing happens. Does anyone know about this problem?
[04:26] <EKimi> Hey, I need a little help here
[04:26] <tchmnky> fabs, I don't personally know how to do it, but you could make an ISO out of the livecd (or grab one from somewhere) and mount that on your hdd... I don't see how this will help you back up your data though. :|
[04:26] <EKimi> Got a printer installed in Ubuntu though the printers thing in GNOME
[04:26] <EKimi> local printer
[04:26] <marsh> Amaranth, says a few things - none apear to vber errors - but it does say -dvd N is depreciated, use dvd://N instead - that mean anything to tyou?
[04:26] <EKimi> I've also installed Samba, and file sharing works a treat
[04:26] <EKimi> but I see no printers
[04:26] <iratsu> is there a way to type chinese in ubuntu?
[04:27] <EKimi> any idea why this is?
[04:27] <Amaranth> marsh: gmplayer -zoom dvd://
[04:27] <tchmnky> fabs, are you sure you don't mean backup your hard drive to an ubuntu live cd (This I don't think is possible. You'd have to burn your files onto a CDR if you want ot backup)
[04:27] <Amaranth> iratsu: system->preferences->keyboard
[04:28] <fabs> tchmnky, oh thanks but I have only one drive where ubuntu live is running at the moment, so I was looking for a way to store temporarely ubuntu live on hdd so I can use the drive
[04:29] <iratsu> Amaranth: well no, i don't want to change the actual keyboard characters... wondering if there is a software that can generate the characters
[04:29] <marsh> Amaranth, seems like the same problem, except the screen dont go blank.... the dvd drive is not being read, and in the term it is stopping after 'alsa init: 1 soundcard found...'
[04:29] <Amaranth> marsh: hrm, dunno then
[04:29] <marsh> on ^c in term it still comes up with 'error in display' mesage
[04:30] <redboar> could be an alsa problem
[04:30] <fabs> tchmnky, any solution?
[04:30] <marsh> totem just shuts down when i try to play a dvd
[04:30] <marsh> redboar - me?
[04:30] <ronniebeck> hello
[04:30] <redboar> marsh:  yes
[04:31] <mof> CPU[AMD Athlon 64 3000+ clocked at 1005.156 Mhz]   Kernel[Linux 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic x86_64]   Up[-33min-]   Mem[-424.242/999.523MB-]   HDD[-170GB(3%used)-]   Procs[-89-]   Client[X-Chat 2.4.1] 
[04:31] <marsh> redboar, i thought alsa was just sound?
[04:31] <redboar> the last line was from alsa marsh
[04:31] <fabs> guys, any way to write files on HDD via Ubuntu Live?
[04:31] <tchmnky> fabs, do you not have the facility to use real ubuntu instead of live?
[04:31] <oDysseas> fabs: you must mount it
[04:32] <ronniebeck> fabs, you would need to mount the partition
[04:32] <redboar> the version bundled with Ubuntu is flaky, I installed 1.0.9 form the alsa website but I had a different problem
[04:32] <mof> fabs, you have to mount hdd rw
[04:32] <marsh> redboar, the last line seems like a conformation line for after it installed the alsa ok...
[04:32] <marsh> then it gets hung
[04:32] <fabs> thanks guys, how do I do that?
[04:32] <zAo^> where did aDesklets go? :(
[04:32] <redboar> I mean the problem I had with alsa was related to Via chip ac97 compatibility
[04:33] <ronniebeck> fabs: do you know how to use the mount command?
[04:33] <marsh> fabs 'mount /dev/hdd /place/to/mountit'
[04:33] <oDysseas> fabs: in what partition do you want to write files, what filesystem is your partition and where do you want to mount it?
[04:33] <redboar> marsh:  yes true
[04:33] <fabs> tchmnky, I had ubuntu normally installed on my pc but something happened and I cannot access it anymore... so I was trying to save what I can b4 i format the drive
[04:33] <marsh> and then, when i stop it - it says its having probs with display...
[04:33] <fabs> oDysseas, hda2 I have to mount in this case
[04:33] <ronniebeck> so can any one recommend a good apt repository for Ubuntu
[04:34] <redboar> marsh:  since u don't know what it is it's worth pursuing
[04:34] <oDysseas> fabs: filesystem?
[04:34] <fabs> ronniebeck, never used it :P
[04:34] <fabs> oDysseas, ext2
[04:34] <marsh> could this be because i'm using a 'not good enough for dvd' graphics card?
[04:34] <ronniebeck> fabs: no problem.  marsh has supplied a good example above
[04:34] <fabs> marsh, thanks for that
[04:34] <oDysseas> yes fabs
[04:34] <redboar> can u play other types of video files?
[04:34] <redboar> marsh
[04:34] <marsh> fabs - so substitute the hdd for hda2
[04:35] <oDysseas> is there a way to change the default movie player from totem to mplayer in nautilus? I mean when I double click a video file to open in mplayer
[04:35] <fabs> marsh, thanks the place i need is     /home/fabio         and   the desktop too
[04:36] <marsh> and fabs - the place-to-put-it drive has to exist already - and i think it has to be empty - but dont quote me on that - best place is /mnt/datadrive (or something similar/)...
[04:36] <thoreauputic> oDysseas: right click a movie file, choose properties, open with, add
[04:36] <oDysseas> thoreauputic: I did that allready but when I double click it still opens in totem, I have to right click and select mplayer
[04:36] <marsh> i cam play mpg & somw avi in totem...
[04:37] <thoreauputic> oDysseas: then check your preference (make sure it is the right selection)
[04:37] <redboar> marsh:  I don't see why dvd wouldn't work
[04:37] <tchmnky> thoreauputic, speaking of preferred applications, the gnome preffered applications dialog kinda sucks for anything that isn't web, or email. I have Opera setup to open files and unknown links with gnome-open -- where do I tell Gnome how to handle certain protocols et al?
[04:37] <ronniebeck> marsh, I cant play any movies.  Where did you get the gstreamer plugins from if you dont feel like compiling them?
[04:37] <thoreauputic> oDysseas: you set it in properties, not the top entry in the context menu
[04:38] <fabs> marsh, thanks well I was thinking to put a knoppix iso to hda2/knoppix.iso  so I can boot it via hdd and I will be able to save the data
[04:38] <thoreauputic> tchmnky: hmmm - I know the problem : you have to use the gconf editor afaik
[04:38] <oDysseas> thoreauputic: got it, thanks
[04:38] <Kimppa> Hello. I'm trying to umount hda2, but I get a message saying it's busy. Can I somehow list which piece of software is possibly using hda2?
[04:38] <thoreauputic> for extra protocols
[04:38] <marsh> ronniebeck, google 'unofficial ubuntu' - take the first page offered... 's a bit of a gem - and i couldn't put it all more succinctly if i tried mate ;)
[04:38] <redboar> marsh:  indeed
[04:39] <marsh> go on fabs...! get in there, mate
[04:39] <redboar> it saved lots of time
[04:39] <ronniebeck> marsh, Unofficial Ubuntu 5.04 Starter Guide <------ this one?
[04:39] <oDysseas> Kimppa: close all nautilus windows and make sure your working directory isn't in that partition
[04:39] <tchmnky> thoreauputic, Let's hope the next gnome improves this. gconf-editor is too much of a hack; We can't keep falling back on it as the-only-way-to-do-it or we'll never have the golden year-of-the-desktop.
[04:39] <fabs> marsh, thanks a lot, now I need to get my head round on how to save the ISO on HDD, but here we are...
[04:39] <thoreauputic> tchmnky: I agree wholeheartedly
[04:40] <marsh> redboar, mplayer doesn't seem to play anything... :( - totem plays avi/mpg (well most of them
[04:40] <redboar> Why is breezy being compiled in GCC 4.0.0?  Isn't that too "new"?
[04:40] <marsh> ronniebeck, yeah...
[04:40] <hawke> redboar: it would seem that it is, given some of the compatibility problems I've seen. :-D
[04:40] <webmind> uhm.. anyone got a epson cx3650 scanner working ubuntu.. sane-find-scanner sees it.. scanimage doesn't and it should work with the cx3200 drivers.. but it doesn't even recouldnize is
[04:40] <webmind> it
[04:40] <webmind> anyone any ideas?
[04:41] <hawke> redboar: OTOH it pushes testing of gcc 4.x.x forward.
[04:41] <redboar> iC
[04:41] <klaym> anyone use smtm? do you get graphical charts?
[04:41] <redboar> what is OTOH?  :p
[04:41] <toresbe> off the other half
[04:41] <hawke> redboar: On The Other Hand
[04:41] <redboar> TY
[04:41] <useruser> redboar: a FLA
[04:41] <ronniebeck> webmind, is English your native language?
[04:41] <hawke> useruser: that's ETLA. :-p
[04:42] <marsh> ronniebeck, that page good?
[04:42] <webmind> ronniebeck, no
[04:42] <hawke> redboar: so as usual it's a tradeoff. Hopefully by the time breezy becomes the official release, the compatibility stuff should be worked out.
[04:42] <hawke> redboar: and it seems to be going forward pretty quick.
[04:42] <ronniebeck> marsh: it is good but I am still reading
[04:43] <redboar> hawke:  is it because it will improve speed?
[04:43] <marsh> ronniebeck, cool... enjoy...
[04:43] <hawke> redboar: Not sure what precisely the advantages of gcc 4 are.  You might want to read the release notes.
[04:43] <_kevin> i got xfce4 it's faster but u can't play music and stuff on it
[04:44] <Fator_Dee> _kevin: bah
[04:44] <Fator_Dee> _kevin: then how am I doing that stuff in xfce4?
[04:44] <useruser> _kevin: xmms, gxine, ...
[04:44] <tchmnky> _kevin, how so, no music support?
[04:44] <_kevin> i play it and it says check if something is using your sound card or not
[04:44] <_kevin> and other things
[04:44] <Fator_Dee> kill esd
[04:44] <synd> so, what'd i miss?
[04:45] <_kevin> bash: kill: esd: arguments must be process or job IDs
[04:45] <useruser> _kevin: killall esd
[04:45] <Fator_Dee> :-|, killall esd or kill [esd's pid] 
[04:45] <tchmnky> _kevin, try either killall esd and try again, or run the program like this: esddsp xmms
[04:45] <_kevin> esd: no process killed
[04:46] <Fator_Dee> what is your xmms' output plugin?
[04:46] <Fator_Dee> esd,oss,alsa?
[04:46] <_kevin> bash: esddsp: command not found
[04:46] <_kevin> eSound
[04:46] <Fator_Dee> try to change it
[04:47] <_kevin> to what>
[04:47] <Fator_Dee> to oss or alsa
[04:47] <thoreauputic> _kevin: try oss
[04:47] <Fator_Dee> check 'em both
[04:47] <paringas> what would be the alternative to gnome's "bum" (boot up manager) in kde? thanks
[04:47] <synd> _kevin, so how is your xfce coming?
[04:47] <_kevin> oss is working
[04:47] <_kevin> well just tryin to adjust to it
[04:47] <Fator_Dee> _kevin: soo.. was it an xfce4 problem :-p
[04:47] <_kevin> I was tryin to have firestarter start at start up
[04:48] <_kevin> but i can't find start up programs
[04:48] <_kevin> no wasn't an Xfce problem
[04:48] <synd> _kevin, start up progs?
[04:48] <_kevin> ye
[04:48] <useruser> _kevin: you can put startup programs in .xinitrc
[04:48] <thoreauputic> paringas: you can use bum in kde - it's just a front end for managing boot up scripts
[04:48] <_kevin> to add firestarter to it
[04:48] <synd> oh.
[04:49] <oDysseas> anybody using amd64 ubuntu?
[04:49] <_kevin> I'm following this guide http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26483
[04:50] <paringas> thoreauputic: thanks but i need gnome's libs for it
[04:50] <reagleBRKLN> what does this mean, and how do i fix it? Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libt/libtunepimp/libtunepimp2-dev_0.3.0-2ubuntu5_i386.deb  Size mismatch
[04:50] <_kevin> i'm skipping school now just to have my linux set up
[04:50] <oDysseas> reagleBRKLN: probably something was wrong with the download and the file is corrupt
[04:51] <reagleBRKLN> oDysseas: perhaps, but i get it occasionally and i've run update and --fix-missing and don't know how to make it stop
[04:51] <reagleBRKLN> it refusing to install
[04:51] <useruser> reagleBRKLN: a guess, but you could try apt-cache clean and then apt-get install it again
[04:52] <oDysseas> reagleBRKLN: sorry, I'm totaly new to ubuntu, just installed it yesterday so I can't help you
[04:52] <paringas> thoreauputic: it's funny how after so many years they haven't made a unified set of libs/dlls
[04:52] <reagleBRKLN> useruser:  you mean apt-get clean?
[04:52] <useruser> reagleBRKLN: probably...
[04:52] <reagleBRKLN> no joy
[04:53] <spiderworm> hey all whats the difference between multiverse and universe packages?  they're all 3rd party, unsupported officially right?
[04:53] <Linux_Galore> paringas: why ?
[04:53] <tchmnky> spiderworm, universe is non-supported, free. multiverse is non-supported non-free.
[04:53] <sandis> multiverse - nonfree?
[04:53] <useruser> reagleBRKLN: maybe it's a packaging bug?
[04:54] <thoreauputic> spiderworm: multiverse is "non-free" ( patent encumbered, legal issues etc)
[04:54] <spiderworm> tchmnky: o i c, thanx
[04:54] <reagleBRKLN> useruser: don't know, wish i knew how to figure it out
[04:54] <useruser> reagleBRKLN: you could try wgetting the deb and using dpkg -i
[04:54] <Linux_Galore> paringas: single point libraries also suffer from single point errors
[04:54] <yahalom> anyway to use wget to search a site for files? or do i have to browse to the site find the link and then use wget?
[04:54] <ronniebeck> marsh, you rock.  That was exactly what I was after ;)
[04:54] <Linux_Galore> paringas: mono culture software always degrades in the long run
[04:55] <reagleBRKLN> useruser: did that successfully in the past, but then i still can't use apt-build because of the same issue ... that i would like to get to the bottom of
[04:55] <spiderworm> if i install multiverse and universe packages, when it comes time to upgrade to breezy, will it be more difficult?
[04:55] <_kevin> there is no sound on my totem video player under xfce
[04:55] <Kimppa> I have this interesting problem. I'm behind a firewall that blocks port 22. However, I want to create an ssh-connection to another computer - I am admin for both the computer I'm conneting from and connecting to. My question is, can I somehow configure my other computer to listen to port 80 and forward it to 22 (or use it as ssh)? And how do I create an ssh-connection using port 80?
[04:56] <Kimppa> is it even possible?
[04:56] <Linux_Galore> yahalom: wget isnt a browser it just a download tool
[04:56] <thoreauputic> spiderworm: no, but I would avoid marillat/ and backports, or comment them out
[04:56] <paringas> Linux_Galore: may be you're right but i think that a lot more things could stay common than there are now.
[04:56] <Fator_Dee> _kevin: change it to use other than esd, same thing that with your xmms
[04:57] <Linux_Galore> paringas: Im very wary of staying still .. nature has taught us all one thing...if you stay still your extinct...
[04:57] <spiderworm> thoreauputic: great, gracias, im not using marillat or backports, so i'll be sure to avoid like the plague
[04:57] <_kevin> Factor_Dee how i do that
[04:57] <Davey> Why does my System > Administration > Networking window look different to this one: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PicNetworkSettings.png ? I don't have half the options there nor any described in the docs
[04:57] <oDysseas> Kimppa: /etc/ssh/sshd_config is your file
[04:57] <jasoncohen> so, backports is dangerous?
[04:57] <useruser> Linux_Galore: unfortunately random evolution is not a good strategy to adopt for individuals
[04:58] <thoreauputic> spiderworm: you realise updating to breezy is not a good move at the moment? See /topic
[04:58] <Linux_Galore> paringas: also common is hard to define..what you see as common to other may seem not common
[04:58] <oDysseas> Kimppa: set the server to listen to port 80 and then the client to connect to port 80
[04:58] <oDysseas> Kimppa: but I  would use another port...
[04:58] <_kevin> ok i fixed it
[04:59] <Linux_Galore> useruser: not always......most great breakthroughs are often due to a roll of the dice by an individual
[04:59] <Kimppa> oDysseas: the other ports are most likely blocked as well
[04:59] <marsh> ronniebeck, cheers, man: nice to feel useful!
[04:59] <useruser> Linux_Galore: yeah, but they're the ones that win the lottery. most changes are failure
[04:59] <useruser> Linux_Galore: ie good for the species, bad for most individuals
[04:59] <marsh> (not to mention 'makes a bloody change'
[04:59] <ronniebeck> marsh, I must say that Ubuntu feels very nice compared to Fedora ;)
[05:00] <paringas> Linux_Galore: well, in a lot of cases it's like making monks copy the bible in writing. a little too much of reinventing same things
[05:00] <yahalom> Linux_Galore, i know. but can i search with it?
[05:00] <marsh> ronniebeck, i exactly the same as you then - bin on fedora fr last 6 months...
[05:00] <marsh> ubuntu's a bit of a gem...
[05:00] <tchmnky> ronniebeck, I've just done a test install of FC3 - it wouldn't even write my swap space without dying. Ubuntu has worked on all hardware I've tried. :D
[05:00] <marsh> except that I cant play dvd's :(
[05:00] <Linux_Galore> paringas: in some respects i agree ....... I dont mind some standardisation but I dont agree on standardising idea's
[05:01] <reagleBRKLN> how do i get apt-build to accept unauthenticated packes? `apt-build install --reinstall -y libtunepimp2` ->
[05:01] <reagleBRKLN> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[05:01] <reagleBRKLN>   libtunepimp2
[05:01] <reagleBRKLN> E: There are problems and -y was used without --force-yes
[05:01] <Linux_Galore> yahalom: no
[05:01] <Linux_Galore> yahalom: use lynx
[05:01] <yahalom> Linux_Galore, :( thanx
[05:01] <Linux_Galore> yahalom: or surfraw
[05:01] <yahalom> Linux_Galore, surfraw? i'll look into it. thanx
[05:02] <spiderworm> thoreauputic: yes i wont be doing breezy until pre release or after, gracias
[05:02] <paringas> Linux_Galore: well then, i guess we agree on everything :)
[05:02] <Linux_Galore> surfraw is a cli (text) web browser tool...very fast but works only on set defined sites
[05:03] <dooglus> I just noticed something interesting.  If I run a program that hammers the CPU in ubuntu, my laptop gets hotter and hotter and eventually powers down after 5 minutes.  If I run the same program in Mandriva, it gets kind of hot, but stays at that heat and doesn't crash.
[05:03] <dooglus> Any idea what the difference might be?  I must say I prefer Mandriva's behaviour on this point!
[05:03] <spiderworm> i gotta say, peeps are a lot more helpful in here than in #fedora
[05:03] <Linux_Galore> dooglus: whats the program
[05:04] <thoreauputic> spiderworm: part of the Ubuntu philosophy, I suppose
[05:04] <tchmnky> spiderworm, that's the quality of Ubuntu for you -- the very word inspires community spirit. :)
[05:04] <BoD_SWAT> 1. Can I ADD a group to a directory? (so that the dir has 2 groups?) 2. How can I do that from command line? 3. How can I see which groups belong to the directory? (from command line)
[05:04] <dooglus> Linux_Galore: it really doesn't matter.  anything that's CPU bound.  for an example program, compile this:    main(){while(1);}
[05:04] <Linux_Galore> dooglus: also Mandriva uses the SELinux kernel patches and a few other funky kernel hacks
[05:04] <yahalom> Linux_Galore, how do i run surfraw?
[05:05] <Kimppa> oDysseas: can I have my server listen to serveral ports for ssh?
[05:05] <mikl> BoD_SWAT: 1) No 2) N/A 3. ls -a
[05:05] <yahalom> Linux_Galore, i'm failing :(
[05:05] <Kimppa> if yes, how are the ports separated?
[05:05] <dooglus> Linux_Galore: I built my own kernel in Mandriva, both 2.6.11.12 and 2.6.12-rc3.  they both cope OK with the heavy CPU load
[05:05] <BoD_SWAT> mikl, thnx :)
[05:05] <dooglus> sorry.  2.6.11.10 and 2.6.12-rc3
[05:05] <jasoncohen> dooglus, what temp does gkrellm show?
[05:05] <thoreauputic> mikl: ls -al I think...
[05:05] <Linux_Galore> yahalom: well after its installed you just type in the name of a supported site   ie  slashdot   will open the slashdot page in the terminal
[05:06] <mikl> thoreauputic: oh yes, sorry :)
[05:06] <yahalom> Linux_Galore, oh no need to run it?
[05:06] <dooglus> jasoncohen: is there a command line way of seeing the temp?  I'm running outside of X to make the comparison fairer
[05:06] <Linux_Galore> yahalom: nope
[05:06] <jasoncohen> dooglus, not sure, i've always just used gkrellm with lm_sensors
[05:06] <dooglus> Linux_Galore: when I say I built my own kernel, I mean I used generic sources from kernel.org - so I know there's nothing special that Mandriva has done to it...
[05:06] <yahalom> Linux_Galore, not working. i tried slashdot
[05:06] <dooglus> jasoncohen: I'll try that then.
[05:07] <marsh> There is a command that tells me what files are using what devices... Anyone know what it is???
[05:07] <tchmnky> marsh, fuser /dev/dsp for instance. :)
[05:07] <jasoncohen> dooglus, laptops can get quite hot but they shouldn't get that hot. my gf's laptop did that as well.
[05:07] <hussam> anybody's successfully installed new Nvidia driver from Nvidia.com?
[05:07] <thoreauputic> dooglus: there's a "sensor" command I seem to recall
[05:07] <yahalom> Linux_Galore, can u give me an example, the whole format
[05:07] <yahalom> ?
[05:07] <Linux_Galore> dooglus: did you have the same GUI on both machines....KDE in Mandriva has been seriously worked on for speed
[05:07] <jasoncohen> dooglus, usually that's caused by poor ventallation. is the laptop on a soft surface or is anything covering the fans?
[05:07] <marsh> tchmnky, thanks man..
[05:07] <tchmnky> marsh, add the -k switch, as root, to kill all processes using that device.
[05:07] <thoreauputic> dooglus: hmm..maybe not
[05:07] <dooglus> jasoncohen: it's the same laptop in both cases.  In mandriva the fan stays on while I run the CPU-eater but it stays low.  In ubuntu the fan gets faster and faster until the power goes off.
[05:08] <SysFail> theres a new nvidia driver?
[05:08] <Linux_Galore> yahalom: http://surfraw.sourceforge.net/
[05:08] <dooglus> Linux_Galore: I wasn't using the GUI, for the sake of fairness.
[05:08] <jasoncohen> dooglus, 100% cpu load on both?
[05:08] <Linux_Galore> dooglus: weird
[05:08] <jasoncohen> dooglus, it still sounds like a cooling problem. you should have a fair bit of room before it restarts so something is wrong
[05:08] <dooglus> jasoncohen: it's the same laptop in both cases - it's tri-boot :)
[05:08] <Linux_Galore> dooglus: libc should be pretty much the same
[05:08] <dooglus> jasoncohen: mandriva and ubuntu are running on the same laptop...
[05:09] <jasoncohen> dooglus, i know- but when you get restarts due to heat you can bet that the cpu is running too hot all the time
[05:09] <dooglus> 100% CPU on both, yes.
[05:09] <jasoncohen> dooglus, what's the idle cpu temp like?
[05:09] <dooglus> same program on both - just a   while(1);   - an infinite loop that does nothing
[05:09] <dooglus> jasoncohen: I don't know how to measure it, but the fan goes off if I'm not doing anything, so fine I guess.
[05:09] <yahalom> Linux_Galore, bash: http://surfraw.sourceforge.net/: No such file or directory
[05:09] <Davey> what does it mean when I can't resolve local computer names? :/
[05:09] <marsh> tchmnky, keeps coming up with errors - no matter what i do I cant umount it..?!?!
[05:10] <jasoncohen> i don't know why ubuntu is restarting but i can tell you that the temperature is way too high if it's restarting
[05:10] <dooglus> jasoncohen: the fan seems to be on about the same amount in both ubuntu and mandriva unless I'm running a CPU-eating program
[05:10] <Linux_Galore> yahalom: goto that page and read the howto
[05:10] <jasoncohen> dooglus, well, run gkrellm and look at the cpu temp when you're doing nothing
[05:10] <Davey> i.e. my wifes machine is called "sue" but I can't resolve it... even though they're networked and literally right next to each other...
[05:10] <yahalom> Linux_Galore, ok thanx
[05:10] <Linux_Galore> yahalom:  surfraw only works with set sites
[05:10] <tchmnky> marsh, which errors, and which device are you doing it to?
[05:10] <johan_> where can i cant md5 to double check my iso for ubuntu amd674
[05:10] <firepol> hi, how can i change my GDM screen resolution? by default its 1280 x 1024, and i'd like it to be 1024 x 768. please let me know
[05:10] <dooglus> jasoncohen: it seems like in mandriva the kernel notices that the cpu is getting to hot and 'brakes' it a bit, and in ubuntu it doesn't...  (maybe?)
[05:10] <jasoncohen> dooglus, have you tried with other cpu intensive tasks like compiling?
[05:10] <dooglus> jasoncohen: compiling generally is disk bound.
[05:11] <thoreauputic> Davey: you have the names in /etc/hosts ?
[05:11] <jasoncohen> dooglus, perhaps but it shouldn't have to. my laptop can run 100% for an hour or more without any instability
[05:11] <marsh> tchmnky, says /dev/hdc dissagrees with fstab... just checking fstab now
[05:11] <Davey> thoreauputic: that kinda defeats the purpose of things, no? I mean, I have to edit that every time I add a machine to the network?
[05:11] <tchmnky> johan_, from within linux, you can do md5sum /path/to/<iso file>
[05:11] <dooglus> jasoncohen: I first noticed the problem yesterday with the bug in grep - in some cases grep uses 100% of the CPU for long periods.
[05:11] <Linux_Galore> dooglus: yeah mandriva has some weird cpufreq daemon
[05:11] <dooglus> jasoncohen: mine can too - in mandriva...
[05:11] <Linux_Galore> dooglus: also lots of hardware monitoring daemons
[05:11] <jasoncohen> Linux_Galore, that deamon caused my X to skip every 30 seconds...not fun
[05:12] <thoreauputic> Davey: umm... well i use static addresses, so that's how I do it..YMMV
[05:12] <Davey> thoreauputic: I just want it to get them whenever I connect to the network. Because being in FL, our power is not great, and our router drops quite often causing IPs to get reshuffled
[05:12] <marsh> tchmnky, says /dev/hdc dissagrees with fstab... just checking fstab now..
[05:12] <jasoncohen> dooglus, well, check your idle temp. you probably have a cooling problem and mandriva is just responding more intelligently...that doesn't mean there isn't a problem
[05:12] <Linux_Galore> jasoncohen: didnt bother my desktop machine......just worked....pretty much like ubuntu
[05:12] <jasoncohen> dooglus, if your cpu is running that hot you're probably decreasing your machine's lifetime
[05:13] <hussam> I compiled xfce 4.2.2 with composite enabled on Kubuntu. but I get no shadows nor transparancy. I know I configured xorg.conf correctly because shadows and transparancy word on my kde 3.4.1. what could be wrong?
[05:13] <dooglus> jasoncohen: would you believe it?  my touchpad has stopped working!  so I can't run gkrellm!
[05:13] <jasoncohen> strange
[05:13] <tchmnky> marsh, this is what happens when you issue the command: umount /dev/hdc ?
[05:13] <jasoncohen> Linux_Galore, this was on a laptop with intel speedstep
[05:13] <Linux_Galore> jasoncohen: ever thought the reason its not over heating is because mandriva is actually slower
[05:13] <kev0r> Anyone know a good FTP client for linux?
[05:13] <dooglus> (I'm in mandriva at the moment, which I haven't used for a while - but the touchpad *used* to work here...
[05:13] <sandis> gftp
[05:13] <thoreauputic> kev0r: I use gftp
[05:14] <jasoncohen> Linux_Galore, no- i used mandrivia. it'll max out cpu just like ubuntu
[05:14] <marsh> tchmnky, fstab says /dev/hdc is mounted on /media/cdrom0 - but thats not mounted( at least that's what it says when i try...
[05:14] <jasoncohen> and it's cpu usage that's the issue
[05:14] <kev0r> gftp is gay, most crappy ftp client ever
[05:14] <jasoncohen> Linux_Galore, or do you think it's running at a lower cpu speed?
[05:14] <Linux_Galore> jasoncohen: I have a feeling its slower
[05:14] <tchmnky> marsh.. AH.
[05:14] <jasoncohen> speedstep should only go into effect when the machine is idle
[05:14] <marsh> tch yes - when i 'umount /dev/hdc' - it says it disagrees with fstab
[05:14] <marsh> tchmnky,  AH!?!
[05:14] <thoreauputic> kev0r: OK well. google is your friend then
[05:14] <Sick-people> hi
[05:14] <Sick-people> fuck
[05:14] <tchmnky> marsh - I have this problem occasionally. Type 'eject'. Ubuntu sometimes does this to my cd drive. It refuses to eject without that command. Try that one. :)
[05:15] <jasoncohen> Linux_Galore, it does feel slower...especially startup
[05:15] <dooglus> jasoncohen: do you know how to interrogate speedstep and ask what speed it's running at?
[05:15] <jasoncohen> dooglus, gkrellm would have told you
[05:15] <Linux_Galore> jasoncohen: might look at shutting down all the extra services mandrake loads
[05:15] <kev0r> googled till my sox dropped
[05:15] <jasoncohen> mine would go from 1.6 ghz to 1.2
[05:15] <kev0r> none to be found :
[05:15] <jasoncohen> Linux_Galore, i did
[05:15] <Linux_Galore> jasoncohen: bet it starts running hot
[05:15] <jasoncohen> Linux_Galore, the boot on 2005 is just plain slow
[05:15] <jasoncohen> anyways, mandrake has weird problems
[05:16] <marsh> tchmnky, - this is going to sound a bit cheeky - but thats how i got here in the first place - eject says 'unmount od /dev/hdc/ failed.
[05:16] <marsh> :(
[05:16] <Linux_Galore> jasoncohen: I found 2005 doesnt like a slow HDD
[05:16] <jasoncohen> like i got these strange slowdowns on my mythtv box - amd 2700+ ..not a slow machine
[05:16] <jasoncohen> and it would just slow to a crawl for no reason with 0% cpu usage
[05:16] <jasoncohen> no such problem in debian
[05:16] <_kevin> how do i access synaptic on xfce
[05:16] <thoreauputic> kev0r: you didn't ry very hard: there are quite a few... try apt-cache search ftp | grep client
[05:16] <jasoncohen> _kevin, type synaptic in terminal
[05:16] <tchmnky> marsh, bah. It's a pain sometimes. When 'eject' fails to work I either keep issuing the command until it decides to come around to my way of thinking ... or... and this is drastic... reboot and get the CD out at BIOS time. :(
[05:17] <jasoncohen> tchmnky, fuser -m /dev/device
[05:17] <dooglus> ok.  I've got the mouse working again now...  I'll check with gkrellm
[05:17] <jasoncohen> then kill pid
[05:17] <kev0r> i know thoreauputic tried them all
[05:17] <kev0r> they all sux
[05:17] <tchmnky> jasoncohen, What does the -m switch do?
[05:17] <Linux_Galore> looks like Novel just won a huge contract in the USA
[05:17] <jasoncohen> tchmnky, fuser will tell you what's using the device so you can kill it
[05:17] <jasoncohen> tchmnky, not sure but it work
[05:17] <jasoncohen> works
[05:17] <Linux_Galore> bet Bills pissed
[05:17] <thoreauputic> kev0r: what exactly would please Your Highness ?
[05:17] <marsh> tchmnky,  - i trying to get a god uptime! trying to reduce my 'well a reboot will sort it out' attitude... :(
[05:17] <Linux_Galore> that includes desktops with suse
[05:17] <marsh> bollox!
[05:18] <tchmnky> jasoncohen, I told marsh about fuser before, but that was just erroring. Tried it with -k switch for kill using processes.
[05:18] <marsh> bollox, bollox, bollox.
[05:18] <kev0r> http://www.flashfxp.com/images/scr/f-main1x2.png
[05:18] <kev0r> this would please
[05:18] <tchmnky> marsh, there's probably a way around it...
[05:18] <dooglus> jasoncohen: hmmm.  gkrellm tells me "No sensors detected"
[05:18] <kev0r> a nice interface with no bullshitty crap on it
[05:18] <tchmnky> marsh did jason's idea of fuser -m /dev/hdc work?
[05:18] <tchmnky> (not -k, but -m)
[05:19] <jasoncohen> dooglus, you need to install lm_sensors
[05:19] <dooglus> ok.
[05:19] <marsh> tch - nah - same problem... sorry jasoncohen - didn't see you there... ;)
[05:19] <thoreauputic> kev0r: well, I have that URl blocked so...
[05:19] <marsh> looks like i gonna havbe to shutdown, dunnit >:(
[05:19] <kev0r> url blocked?
[05:20] <jasoncohen> dooglus, then you need to run a tool which will tell you the right module to load for your sensor
[05:20] <jasoncohen> i can't remember what it's called at the moment. can anyone help?
[05:20] <jasoncohen> dooglus, sensors-detect
[05:21] <dooglus> jasoncohen: thanks.
[05:21] <jasoncohen> dooglus, apt-get install lm-sensors
[05:21] <jasoncohen> then run sensors-detect and do what it says
[05:22] <jasoncohen> it'll add the correct modules to /etc/modules
[05:22] <dooglus> jasoncohen: I'm on Mandriva at the moment - but 'urpmi' got it for me
[05:22] <thoreauputic> kev0r: yup it's on my /etc/hosts blacklist
[05:22] <jasoncohen> dooglus, you might not need all the modules
[05:22] <marsh> Yipeeeee!!!!
[05:22] <kev0r> lol why that, flashfxp rules
[05:22] <jasoncohen> dooglus, on my nforce 2 mobo it gives cpu temp, motherboard temp, voltage, and fan rpm
[05:23] <dooglus>  Sorry, no chips were detected.
[05:23] <dooglus>  Either your sensors are not supported, or they are
[05:23] <dooglus>  connected to an I2C bus adapter that we do not support.
[05:23] <jasoncohen> dooglus, what laptop?
[05:23] <dooglus> jasoncohen: it's an advent 7009
[05:24] <dooglus> http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/advent/laptop/7009.htm
[05:24] <marsh> tchmnky, got it - kept trying, then it came up with a '(and you are not root) in a messge - went in again killing and fusering everything with sudo, and i'm in. (and it's out!)
[05:24] <tchmnky> marsh, w00t!
[05:25] <marsh> tchmnky, ;)
[05:25] <klaym> does anyone know of a good program for ubuntu for monitoring the stock market?
[05:25] <jasoncohen> dooglus, your bios will tell you idle temp
[05:25] <ronniebeck> marsh, I have DVD playing in totem but it is very jerky and with out sound.  I have the same experience on Fedora.  I suspect gstreamer is a little crap ;0
[05:25] <ronniebeck> ;)
[05:25] <marsh> does anyone in here use a tv card?
[05:26] <jasoncohen> marsh, i use 2
[05:26] <dooglus> jasoncohen: the only way I know to talk to my bios is to reboot and hit f2 when it boots.
[05:26] <ronniebeck> marsh, yep
[05:26] <dooglus> jasoncohen: do you mean that, or some other way?
[05:26] <jasoncohen> marsh,  a hauppauge pvr-250 MCE and a hauppauge wintv
[05:26] <jasoncohen> dooglus, i mean that
[05:26] <marsh> ronniebeck, I have to admit - i've never had a dvd play in linux (never tried until now)
[05:26] <tchmnky> marsh, I've been thinking of getting one -- just to do vlc|mplayer -zoom tv:// -- sounds like fun. :)
[05:26] <marsh> jason - it easy enough to get going?
[05:27] <jasoncohen> marsh, i have them on a mythtv system which is a full-featured pvr with auto-commercial skipping
[05:27] <jasoncohen> mythtv.org
[05:27] <ronniebeck> marsh, I have used xine, totem-xine and ogle play them perfectly.
[05:27] <jasoncohen> marsh, tv cards are easy...if you get a bttv it will "just work"..and ivtv you just need to compile the driver
[05:27] <marsh> ronniebeck, dvd or tv card?
[05:27] <jasoncohen> xine, totem and mplayer work fine
[05:27] <dooglus> jasoncohen: doing the 'f2 on boot' thing won't give me any insight into why mandriva and ubuntu are behaving differently, will it?
[05:27] <ronniebeck> marsh, dvd
[05:28] <jasoncohen> why are you using gstreamer?
[05:28] <ronniebeck> marsh, I use tvtime for my tvcard
[05:28] <jasoncohen> dooglus, no- but it will tell if you your idle temp is too high
[05:28] <jasoncohen> which will tell you why it's rebooting
[05:28] <jasoncohen> marsh, tvtime is nice but it only works with bttv cards
[05:28] <marsh> then it's something with my pc? :(
[05:28] <dooglus> jasoncohen: it only reboots in ubuntu though
[05:28] <jasoncohen> marsh, if you just want to watch tv a bttv is great and cheap
[05:28] <ronniebeck> jasoncohen, you need a little more thna just bttv working ;)  Else it won do shit :-)
[05:28] <jasoncohen> dooglus, yes, but that's probably a symptom of a larger problem
[05:29] <dooglus> jasoncohen: and only if I leave it "un-idle" for 5 minutes
[05:29] <jasoncohen> ronniebeck, btaudio is nice too
[05:29] <marsh> bttv: ivtv: whats the diff?
[05:29] <jasoncohen> with bttv & btaudio it works out of the box
[05:29] <ronniebeck> jasoncohen, you live in the US?
[05:29] <jasoncohen> marsh, ivtv is the driver for the pvr-150/250/500 which are hardware encoders
[05:29] <jasoncohen> they record tv w/o using any cpu and are high quality
[05:29] <jasoncohen> bttv does software encoding which can use a lot of cpu
[05:30] <IIIEars> One of my game CD's is getting scratched. What do i use to back it up before it won't play at all?
[05:30] <jasoncohen> ronniebeck, yes
[05:30] <jasoncohen> but that only matters if you plan to record- not if you just want to watch
[05:30] <jasoncohen> bttv cards are cheap. a guy gave me mine for free and it supports digital audio using btaudio (no patch cable)
[05:30] <dooglus> jasoncohen: I've looked all over the bios setup screens before and don't remember seeing 'idle temperature' anywhere.  are you sure it's there?  if so, where abouts please?
[05:30] <ronniebeck> jasoncohen, that might be why tuner cards work for you.  I have to piss about finding the right tuner settings else it will never find any channels
[05:31] <jasoncohen> ronniebeck, yeah, with US it's just NTSC and us-cable
[05:31] <jasoncohen> dooglus, it's not called idle temp...it's cpu temp
[05:31] <jasoncohen> in centigrade
[05:31] <dooglus> jasoncohen: ok, but I don't remember seeing it
[05:31] <jasoncohen> dooglus, maybe your BIOS sucks?
[05:31] <marsh> dooglus - that probably depends on your machine, mate...
[05:31] <jasoncohen> most laptops have some sensors
[05:32] <marsh> ronniebeck, where u?
[05:32] <marsh> (please dont say UK)
[05:32] <marsh> dooglus, how olds your machine?
[05:32] <IIIEars> Do i have to use windows and Alcohol 120% to back up a game disk. - Don't make me use windows... Please. (beads of sweat form on brow)
[05:33] <ahluka> yo all
[05:33] <ronniebeck> marsh, Australia
[05:33] <ahluka> wales, UK
[05:33] <jasoncohen> IIIEars, it depends if its copy protected
[05:33] <jasoncohen> if not you can just make a copy in K3B
[05:34] <IIIEars> Ugh - Securerom.
[05:34] <ahluka> so someone persuade me about ubuntu - how is it set apart from the rest?
[05:34] <ronniebeck> bah ESD.  If I use ALSA for sound in gstreamer, totem works a lot better
[05:34] <lampshade> ahluka:  I don't know, it is debian, but updated faster?  I dunno
[05:34] <NTolerance> is anyone here using an Orinoco wireless card?
[05:35] <ahluka> hmm
[05:35] <lampshade> I run ubuntu and archlinux only.  I like what they do
[05:35] <ronniebeck> NTolerance, yep
[05:35] <NTolerance> ronniebeck: do you have scanning support?
[05:35] <ahluka> lampshade: whats the performance like on an ubuntu sys?
[05:35] <ronniebeck> NTolerance, you need a patch for that.  And it is a little unfun to apply it
[05:36] <jasoncohen> ahluka, you have the advantages of a debian system- a huge pacakge base (16,000 packages), the best package mananger (apt) with nice gui tools like synaptic and update-manager, security updates, 6 month releases and the newest kernel, KDE, gnome & xorg
[05:36] <ronniebeck> NTolerance, I am pretty sure there are links off the kismet site for patching it
[05:36] <NTolerance> well, i did apply the patch for monitor mode, but all the wireless config tools need scanning support
[05:36] <NTolerance> none of the wiki/forum tutorials work for scanning support
[05:36] <jasoncohen> ahluka, and excellent hardware support
[05:36] <ronniebeck> NTolerance, what patch did you use?
[05:36] <ahluka> jasoncohen: well that told me :)
[05:36] <jasoncohen> and auto-configuration
[05:36] <NTolerance> the one from the wiki for kismet
[05:36] <NTolerance> dragorn patch
[05:36] <NTolerance> it doesn't have scanning though
[05:36] <ahluka> sounds pretty cool. well i just ordered 10 live cd's from ubuntu's website
[05:36] <ronniebeck> NTolerance, ah ok
[05:36] <johan_> install the bvase system step failed
[05:36] <ronniebeck> NTolerance, what util are you using?
[05:36] <jasoncohen> ahluka, it has all the advantages of debian but geared to a desktop user
[05:37] <johan_> i choose amd64 generic and it fauiled
[05:37] <jasoncohen> ahluka, i use debian testing currently but i'm going to switch my laptop to ubuntu
[05:37] <NTolerance> any of them, gtkwifi, wifiradar, etc
[05:37] <NTolerance> kwifimanager
[05:37] <thoreauputic> ahluka: note that you will need install CDs if you want a hard drive install
[05:37] <dooglus> sorry guys - was away.
[05:37] <ahluka> jasoncohen: im on a suse system on my laptop
[05:37] <dooglus> marsh: the laptop is 3 years old
[05:37] <NTolerance> i'm getting tired of using shell scripts to connect
[05:37] <ronniebeck> NTolerance, I use kismet to do the scaning.  When I see something I want, I lock it in kismet and get aircrack or what ever to use the card.  Otherwise scanning doesn work
[05:38] <jasoncohen> well, i'm going to install ubuntu now
[05:38] <jasoncohen> wish me luck
[05:38] <ahluka> jasoncohen: gl
[05:38] <jasoncohen> just backed up /home and /etc
[05:38] <NTolerance> hmmm
[05:38] <jasoncohen> it's nice having a 400 GB remote server share
[05:38] <ronniebeck> NTolerance, why use shell scripts?
[05:38] <NTolerance> because none of the GUI config utils work
[05:39] <NTolerance> kismet has issues with my card though, it doesn't come out of monitor mode and the card locks up...i have to do a soft reset on it everytime i use kismet
[05:39] <NTolerance> it also locks up my PC sometimes
[05:39] <ronniebeck> NTolerance, bugger :-(
[05:40] <NTolerance> what i don't get is that people with windows-only cards (ndiswrapper) can get scanning support, but the supposed best linux wifi card (orinoco) doesn't have it
[05:41] <_kevin> where is the trash can in xfce
[05:41] <ronniebeck> NTolerance, the drivers for orinoco suck badly.  They are very unstable and consume shit loads of CPU
[05:41] <thoreauputic> _kevin: good question: there isn't one as far as I can see
[05:41] <_kevin> so what happens when i delete file
[05:41] <NTolerance> yeah :(
[05:42] <_kevin> they are gone permenently?
[05:42] <thoreauputic> _kevin: it's gone, I guess
[05:42] <kestas> does anyone know how I can possibly get this error when I compile wine with ./configure --enable-opengl ?
[05:42] <NTolerance> i can compile updated 0.13 drivers, but i can't install them
[05:42] <kestas> err:ddraw:Main_DirectDraw_QueryInterface Application requests a Direct3D interface but OpenGL support not built-in !
[05:42] <_kevin> ok good
[05:42] <kestas> makes no damn sense at all
[05:42] <kestas> I have opengl support built in, the right drivers and everything
[05:42] <NTolerance> ronniebeck: the last driver here will compile cleanly:  http://www.tzi.de/~plasmahh/orinoco.html
[05:42] <thoreauputic> _kevin: you could move stuff to ~/.Trash instead I guess
[05:42] <kestas> but it still complains about no OpenGL support?!
[05:42] <NTolerance> it claims scanning support
[05:43] <Linux_Galore> NTolerance: you seen the new linksys and asus 4 port wireless routers.....they are really really small and both run Linux..yep very hackable ... so the logic of hacking in a PC wifi card goes out the door
[05:43] <thoreauputic> kestas: missing -dev libraries?
[05:43] <Linux_Galore> <-- has a wrt54G-S
[05:43] <NTolerance> Linux_Galore: i have heard about those, but what do they have to do with my orinoco card?
[05:44] <kestas> thoreauputic: nope, ./configure output shows GL.h (or whatever it was) was found
[05:44] <NTolerance> i'm not using my card as an access point
[05:44] <kestas> thoreauputic: it never complained about missing anything in ./configure
[05:44] <whyameye> Video editing in Linux: 1) how hard is it to set up? 2) how good is it in terms of ease of use and in terms of power?
[05:44] <ronniebeck> whyameye, easy to set up if you use Main Actor ;)
[05:44] <Linux_Galore> NTolerance: basically your card sux and most cards need some hacking with these things they "just work" and you can change the firmware around
[05:44] <thoreauputic> kestas: hmm - don't know then
[05:45] <kestas> the thing is that although wine is supposed to have fairly good directx8 implementation, which is all I need, there is absolutely NO documentation on it ANYWHERE.. there are some articles on it from 2002, but nothing else?!
[05:45] <whyameye> ronniebeck: so Main Actor is the one you recommend? Is this already in a repository?
[05:45] <thoreauputic> kestas: try asking in #winehq
[05:45] <kestas> thoreauputic: ah good idea
[05:46] <ronniebeck> whyameye, I dont recomend it because it crashes a lot.  But there isnt an alternative that competes with it for ease of use.  Give it a try and see what you think
[05:46] <Linux_Galore> someone setup a website for Linux video editing
[05:46] <ronniebeck> whyameye, you need to go to www.mainactor.de to get it :-)
[05:46] <dr_willis> the cedega homepage covers a lot of details of wine and cedega and directx I belive.
[05:46] <alexmacy> hi
[05:47] <whyameye> ronniebeck: is there something that crashes less that might be an alternative? What if we put ease of use as secondary? In the long run it probably is secondary...
[05:47] <Administrator> hello
[05:47] <Linux_Galore> pffft the logic for cedega is as about as logical as trying to get a PS2 game running in Windows
[05:48] <Administrator> how to remove sudo or disabling sudo
[05:48] <thoreauputic> Administrator: why?
[05:48] <Linux_Galore> yeah why would you disable sudo
[05:48] <dooglus> I rebooted - there's definitely nothing about temperatures in my bios config screens.  It's an "insyde" bios, by the way.
[05:48] <Asli> ok thank i remember now
[05:49] <Asli> just add new second user
[05:49] <Asli> thanks all,
[05:49] <ronniebeck> whyameye, I dont know what the others are called.  Pitivi is the next best thing but it is a beta and also crashes ;)
[05:49] <Tannin> Asli: Set a password for root and remove your users from /etc/sudoers (use visudo to change it)
[05:50] <thoreauputic> Tannin: no need - new users are not in /etc/sudoers anyway unless added
[05:50] <whyameye> ronniebeck: I saw something about Cinelerra and also about Kino. The page was from 2002. Are these alternatives still and do you know if they are any good?
[05:50] <thoreauputic> or unless in admin group
[05:51] <Tannin> Hmm, i thought so, but the user added during installation is in there, right?
[05:51] <Tannin> Btw.: Is there a way to get a non-patched kdesu for ubuntu?
[05:51] <ronniebeck> whyameye, I tried Cinelerra.  It seemed to be very solid but I couldnt work out how to use it
[05:53] <Linux_Galore> one of the up sides of an iBook dual booting is I can swap to OSX and do video editing
[05:53] <whyameye> ronniebeck: okay thanks. You've given me some good leads. Any tricks I should know about getting IEEE1394 to work or does it just "work?"
[05:53] <_kevin> in GnomeBaker is there an option to get the in between tracks pause to zero
[05:53] <whyameye> Linux_Galore: I'm on an x86 machine. :-(
[05:54] <Linux_Galore> whyameye: have you poked around www.freshmeat.net
[05:55] <ronniebeck> whyameye, It should just work AFAIK
[05:55] <whyameye> Linux_Galore: no I haven't. That's a good idea. I was just sort-of hoping there was some solid Linux product for video editing comparable to Adobe Premiere, sort of like Gimp is to Photoshop or Open Office is to Office.
[05:56] <Linux_Galore> whyameye: just found a distro that aimed specifically at video editing on google http://www.chainsawlinux.com/
[05:57] <jamesio> hello all
[05:57] <Linux_Galore> whyameye: well there are some nice comercial apps for Linux -> http://www.mainconcept.com/index_flash.shtml
[05:57] <_kevin> is there a program i can use to to burn audio cds from mp3 which options like no pause in between tracks and start and stop times
[05:57] <katzor> oh, ich hab das *zwinker* vergessen
[05:58] <whyameye> Linux_Galore: cool! I'm checking out the distro. The applications will probably also run on ubuntu well enough for the most part.
[05:58] <_kevin> and a bunch of those neat features you find in Nero
[05:58] <neiras> relaxen und watchen das blinkenlichten
[05:58] <thoreauputic> _kevin: there is a nero for linux, in case you don't know that
[05:58] <_kevin> is it free?
[05:59] <cyphase> lol!
[05:59] <cyphase> United Airlines is putting Star Wars III stuff on their sick-bags
[05:59] <thoreauputic> _kevin: non-free, of course
[05:59] <_kevin> :(
[05:59] <Linux_Galore> whyameye: better look http://www.mainconcept.com/mainactor_v5_linux.shtml
[05:59] <thoreauputic> _kevin: if you already have a copy of nero it might be free
[05:59] <thoreauputic> _kevin: not sure as I haven't looked
[05:59] <Linux_Galore> Ive got nero 4 linux.....uuuuuuuugly
[06:00] <_kevin> i'm only 16 i can't afford to buy software
[06:00] <whyameye> Linux_Galore: yep. I'm looking at mainconcept.com now. Thanks fo rthe leads. Yep. mainactor is definitely possible...
[06:00] <_kevin> that's why I'm on linux int he first place
[06:01] <thoreauputic> _kevin: rather than have the burning app edit your mp3s, why not use, for example, audacity to edit them before burning them?
[06:01] <_kevin> yes but when i bun i don't want to have pauses in between tracks
[06:01] <_kevin> you know what I'm talking about?
[06:01] <Linux_Galore> whyameye: recent review of Linux editors -> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5625
[06:02] <johan_> ubuntu did not ask for root pass during install and now i cant su
[06:02] <whyameye> Linux_Galore: nice! That site is from 2002, but still will be a good indication. I really appreciate these leads.
[06:02] <Linux_Galore> johan_: there is no su  its all sudo
[06:02] <thoreauputic> _kevin: you can put your mp3s together without pauses : for instance on the commandline try ' cat *.mp3 > continuous.mp3 ` for a folder/directory of mp3s
[06:03] <johan_> thanks
[06:03] <katzor> johan_, but theres 'sudo du'
[06:03] <katzor> sudo su
[06:03] <thoreauputic> that should put all the mp3s in one file
[06:03] <_kevin> it took me so long to break them
[06:03] <_kevin> ok i have 80 track on a custom reggae mix cd my friend remixed and made
[06:03] <_kevin> now the tracks go together with the beat
[06:04] <_kevin> so no pauses
[06:04] <redtech> thoreauputic: is there a site that lists helpful commands like the one you just listed?
[06:04] <_kevin> Nero lets people add no pauses in between tracks
[06:04] <_kevin> anyways I'll figure it out on my own i guess
[06:04] <thoreauputic> redtech: hmm.... quite a few I guess - I'd start at tuxfiles.org
[06:05] <thoreauputic> _kevin: test out the command I gave you on a few files
[06:06] <thoreauputic> _kevin: basically the cat command glues the files together and > redirects them to the filename
[06:06] <redtech> ty
[06:06] <_kevin> yes i kno
[06:06] <Loevborg> my hoary install didn't have my host name appended to /etc/hosts, nor a automatically run loopback device (hence no 127.0.0.1 !)
[06:06] <_kevin> creats one large mp3 file
[06:06] <Loevborg> is that a known bug? didn't find it in bugzilla.
[06:06] <_kevin> with all the tracks in it and no pauses
[06:06] <thoreauputic> _kevin: right
[06:06] <_kevin> but it's not what i want
[06:07] <thoreauputic> OK
[06:07] <_kevin> i broke a large mp3 into tracks
[06:07] <thoreauputic> :(
[06:07] <shawarma> Hi! I'd like to setup a keyboard shortcut, so that when I press the Windows+M, Firefox loads up. However, when I open the keyboard shortcut configuration thing, and press the Windows key, it writes Super_L and that's it. So that key alone loads up Firefox, but I want to use it as a Meta-key... I can probably get around it with some xmodmap stuff, but is there a "nicer" way?
[06:07] <Loevborg> _kevin, what do you want to do?
[06:07] <_kevin> i have 80 mp3s i want to burn to an audio cd and have no pause in between the tracks
[06:07] <_kevin> as they play in a cd player
[06:07] <katzor> shawarma, try xbindkeys, i dont know of any gnome feature to do this
[06:07] <Loevborg> shawarma, you need to edit your gconf metacity registry
[06:08] <_kevin> the 80 mp3s each are 50 seconds
[06:08] <_kevin> so it'll fit
[06:08] <thoreauputic> _kevin: so why not cat the 80 files into one, and burn the big file?
[06:08] <Loevborg> shawarma, I'm doing this (super+t for "terminal")
[06:08] <_kevin> i want to be able to switch from track to track
[06:08] <_kevin> rather then seek
[06:08] <thoreauputic> ah I see
[06:08] <shawarma> Loevborg: I thought so.. Should I just add <Super_L>m, or do I do something else to make the windows key a meta key?
[06:08] <Loevborg> _kevin, you certainly can do this directly with "cdrecord"
[06:09] <_kevin> graveman has the option
[06:09] <thoreauputic> aha
[06:09] <_kevin> found it
[06:09] <_kevin> thanks for the help
[06:10] <_kevin> that's what i like about linux program on the website they give u a good description of what you can do witht he software
[06:11] <Loevborg> _kevin, occasionally :)
[06:11] <shawarma> Loevborg: Great, used <Super>x for xterm, and it works like a charm. Thanks!
[06:11] <Kraln> I have just a minor gripe with the ubuntu installer
[06:12] <Kraln> I just put ubuntu on a laptop with a pcmcia network card
[06:12] <nosilver4u> i switching from 1 crt to dual-lcds, what would be the easiest way to reconfigure that?
[06:12] <Loevborg> shawarma, your're welcome
[06:12] <Eliteforce> hi
[06:12] <Kraln> after the first reboot, it tried to bring up the network before starting pcmcia - which imho is retarded
[06:12] <Kraln> nosilver4u, ati or nvidia?
[06:12] <Eliteforce> what is the "mapping" section in /etc/network/interfaces for? and how does it work
[06:12] <nosilver4u> ati
[06:12] <_kevin> graveman screws up and doesn't burn properly
[06:13] <_kevin> ad i just lost a blank cd
[06:13] <_kevin> and*
[06:13] <_kevin> it says something about fixtating
[06:14] <Kraln> nosilver4u, using ati's drivers?
[06:14] <nosilver4u> nope
[06:14] <Loevborg> Eliteforce, it's tricky :)
[06:14] <Kraln> _kevin, fixating is when it closes the cd (finalizing is another word)
[06:14] <Loevborg> Eliteforce, my I refer you to "man interfaces" ?
[06:14] <Kraln> nosilver4u, which ati card?
[06:14] <nosilver4u> they always poop out on me, so i'm just using the built in
[06:14] <nosilver4u> it's a 9600
[06:14] <Kraln> well
[06:15] <Kraln> hmm
[06:15] <Kraln> I would totally suggest using ati's drivers
[06:15] <nosilver4u> i've tried
[06:15] <Kraln> they're a PITA to get working
[06:15] <Kraln> but well worth it
[06:15] <nosilver4u> several times
[06:15] <Kraln> it took me like a week of tweaking to get multimonitor support in them
[06:15] <nosilver4u> i get all sorts of artifacting, and then it just freezes
[06:15] <Kraln> yep
[06:15] <neighborlee> is umount,ejecting still in the works to be fixed ( asking because I only see it mentined on warty wiki) ? ;-)
[06:15] <Kraln> that's what happens when it's not quite setup properly ;)
[06:16] <nosilver4u> i'm upgrading video cards on monday, so i just need to know how to setup the dual-displays for now
[06:16] <Kraln> well
[06:16] <Eliteforce> Loevbord: there only stands "used to determine how a logical interface name is chosen for a physical interface that is to be brought up"
[06:16] <Kraln> basically it's in your xorg.conf
[06:16] <Kraln> if you had the ati drivers you could use fglrxconfig
[06:16] <_kevin> can i install k3b on xfce?
[06:16] <nosilver4u> i guess, i was just wondering how to find the ubuntu xorg config thingy
[06:16] <Kraln> it's in /etc/X11/xorg.conf iirc
[06:16] <Kraln> at least it should be
[06:16] <thoreauputic> _kevin: sure
[06:17] <Loevborg> Eliteforce, you can plug in a script that determines which interface is to be used (based upon whether the cable is plugged in for example)
[06:17] <_kevin> sudo apt-get install k3b?
[06:17] <thoreauputic> _kevin: it will download a bunch of KDE libs though
[06:17] <X7C> ! kernel has changed?
[06:17] <ubotu> X7C: I don't know, could you explain it?
[06:17] <nosilver4u> yeah, it is, i just don't know what all the syntax is for adding another monitor
[06:17] <X7C> 
[06:17] <Kraln> nosilver4u, it really depend on how you want them to behave
[06:17] <Kraln> do you want bigdesktop? or an entirely different x desktop
[06:17] <Kraln> or clone?
[06:17] <nosilver4u> i want the 'bigdesktop' option
[06:17] <nosilver4u> hehe
[06:17] <_kevin> 38 mb of files just to run k3b
[06:17] <Kraln> :)
[06:18] <Kraln> I suggest doing some googling :)
[06:18] <nosilver4u> okie
[06:18] <nosilver4u> will do
[06:18] <Eliteforce> Loevbord: yes it would be really nice to use dhcp if plugged in and a static ip without a cable plugged in to avoid the long time waiting for the dhcp
[06:18] <Kraln> you realize that any 3d stuff will run slow as crap without the ati drivers, right? :)
[06:18] <Eliteforce> on startup
[06:18] <medkit> apt-get update results in
[06:18] <medkit> Conflicting distribution: cdrom://Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Alpha i386 B inary-1 (20050129) unstable Release (expected unstable but got hoary)
[06:18] <gverig> In Ubuntu, for "secured" elements you have are prompted to enter your password and then security manager determines if you have the rights to run this block. In other systems (Fedora, Mandrake) you are asked for root password. Is there a way to change Ubuntu to run in that mode (or in both)?
[06:18] <zAo^> is tehre a XMMS-plugin for XFCE4.2?
[06:19] <zAo^> there ^^ :)
[06:19] <Kraln> gverig, give root a password. ;)
[06:19] <Kraln> zAo^, pretty sure there is. might have to go find it on the internet, might not be in apt
[06:19] <Kraln> don't use xmms, though. use amarok
[06:19] <gverig> Krain: Root has a password. I am logged in as myself. When I try to launch package manager it prompts me for MY password, not root's.
[06:20] <Eliteforce> Loevborg: do you know where i can get additional and complete informations about that?
[06:20] <zAo^> Kraln, Yeah, there is. But I cant find any Ubuntu-pkg of it. Same for aDesklets
[06:20] <Kraln> gverig, yeah, ubuntu is defaultly setup in semi-single user mode.
[06:20] <Kraln> zAo^, see if you can find a debian package. if all else fails, just grab the tarball and make it yourself.
[06:20] <Kraln> Eliteforce, why not change the default dhcp timeout to ten seconds or so?
[06:21] <nosilver4u> yup, i realize that kraln, that's why i ordered an nvidia card
[06:21] <Loevborg> Eliteforce, maybe the "ifplugd" package has some hints for you
[06:21] <Kraln> nosilver4u, don't give up on ati ;(
[06:21] <zAo^> Kraln, the SID pkg wants another glibc so.. :) I guess I have to build one myself :)
[06:21] <zAo^> thanks
[06:21] <gverig> Kraln: Man, you ARE multiprocessing... You are answering to like 5 ppl at the same time :)
[06:21] <_kevin> i click on my mp3 or video file in xfce and nothing happens...
[06:21] <Kraln> zAo^, that's not *too* complex
[06:21] <DekaPink> Hey all.
[06:21] <_kevin> i look for option to set which program to open with but i can't find it
[06:21] <Kraln> gverig, I'm bored mwehehe
[06:22] <zAo^> Kraln, I know: I used SID any build my own fglrx-pkg's :)
[06:22] <Kraln> and waiting to an answer to my question, which affects all of ubuntu :P
[06:22] <DekaPink> Is there any way I can import the bookmarks from the firefox on my windows partition to the firefox on ubuntu?
[06:22] <gverig> Kraln: :) So, this "semi-single user mode". WTF is it? And can it be changed?
[06:22] <Kraln> DekaPink, file->import
[06:22] <Eliteforce> Loevborg: yes, but how does the mapping section have to look like? script ?\nmap PLUGGED eth0-plugged\nmapUNDPLUGGED eth0-unplugged ?
[06:22] <Kraln> gverig, it's designed to make it easy. tell you what - i'll poke around as soon as the install next to me is done and i'll let you know.
[06:22] <Loevborg> Eliteforce, check /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples
[06:22] <DekaPink> Krain: Yeah, that doesn't do anything. ^^
[06:23] <Kraln> oh, hmm
[06:23] <Kraln> just the bookmarks?
[06:23] <Loevborg> Eliteforce, never done it myself
[06:23] <Eliteforce> ok :)
[06:23] <Kraln> I think you can move documents and settings/username/local settings/firefox or whatever to .firefox
[06:23] <Kraln> or wherever the firefox settings are stored on windows
[06:23] <Kraln> to wherever they're stored on linux
[06:23] <DekaPink> Oh... Okay, cool. :D. Thank you.
[06:24] <dooglus> thoreauputic: consider doing "set -o noclobber" in your .bashrc - then you can't accidentally lose stuff by doing ">" instead of ">>"
[06:24] <gverig> Kraln: Well, if it is to make it easy, how can I access package manager if my user does not have such permissions? Login as something with more permissions? I can run aptget from command prompt, but I like GUI :)
[06:24] <thoreauputic> dooglus: it's Ok - I didn't clobber anything as it was a test: but good point
[06:24] <lleberg_> When i boot up, i can't play any sounds..
[06:25] <dooglus> thoreauputic: next time you might not be so lucky :)
[06:25] <lleberg_> it's the 7310  0.0  0.0   8656   676 ?        S    18:11   0:00 /usr/bin/esd -n process that's keeping me from it
[06:25] <thoreauputic> dooglus: indeed
[06:25] <lleberg_> when killing it, it works just fine
[06:25] <thoreauputic> dooglus: thanks :)
[06:25] <lleberg_> why is it even there?
[06:25] <ronniebeck> lleberg_, what about when you shutdown? ;)
[06:25] <dooglus> if you have 'noclobber' set, you can still 'clobber' the file if you say '>|' instead of '>'
[06:26] <dooglus> dooglus: but you're unlikely to do that accidentally
[06:26] <ronniebeck> lleberg_, I prefer to use ALSA rather than ESD.  ESD is laggy
[06:26] <Kraln> gverig, should be able to sudo the package manager
[06:26] <lleberg_> ronniebeck: I can't play any sounds when shut down..
[06:26] <Kraln> I don't recall offhand what it's called
[06:26] <lleberg_> ronniebeck: yeah, but how do i change it?
[06:26] <Eliteforce> where is the file located, which contains the names of the modules loaded on start-up?
[06:27] <dooglus> /etc/modules ?
[06:27] <Kraln> /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernelversion
[06:27] <Kraln> I believe.
[06:27] <Kraln> one sec and I'll verify
[06:27] <gverig> Kraln: Hmmm... What's the name of the manager executable?
[06:27] <Eliteforce> k
[06:27] <Kraln> Eliteforce, yeah, it's /etc/modules
[06:28] <Kraln> gverig, gnome-app-install
[06:28] <ronniebeck> lleberg_, in the preferences there is something called Multimedia-Systems-Selector
[06:28] <IIIEars> hm
[06:28] <ronniebeck> lleberg_, just select ALSA there
[06:28] <ronniebeck> but you will need to kill esd
[06:29] <dooglus> ronniebeck: I don't think you need to kill it - you can just ask it to be less intrusive
[06:29] <lleberg_> ronniebeck: both are alsa
[06:29] <dooglus> ronniebeck: let me find a URL about it
[06:29] <ronniebeck> dooglus, huh?
[06:30] <broeisi> If I install ubuntu 5.04 now and a new version comes out... do I have to install that new version to stay current...or can I just do a apt-get command to use the latest version???
[06:30] <dooglus> just a sec ronniebeck
[06:30] <thoreauputic> broeisi: the latter
[06:30] <broeisi> oke... just like gentoo... cool.. I'll try ubuntu out...
[06:30] <thoreauputic> broeisi: actually you just edit one file, then do the apt commands
[06:31] <ronniebeck> but if I don want to run ESD why would I want it to be less intrusive.  I want it to not run at all ;)
[06:31] <stan_> guys what is the ubuntu alternative of xf86config?
[06:31] <ronniebeck> xorg
[06:31] <broeisi> thoreauputic: I can't find any documentation about apt-get on the ubuntu site??... must I look at the debian site?
[06:31] <dooglus> ronniebeck: there's a page here: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly that tells you how to set esd up so that it still works, but doesn't tie up the sound device.  then you can use ALSA at the same time
[06:32] <Kraln> broeisi, you can just do apt-get
[06:32] <stan_> but I type xorg and nothing, ronniebeck ? I had to edit xorg.conf manually with vio
[06:32] <stan_> vico
[06:32] <Kraln> or use the opdate manager.
[06:32] <thoreauputic> broeisi: what did you want to know? The debian howto applies
[06:32] <Kraln> stan_, do you mean vi, nano, or pico
[06:32] <thoreauputic> broeisi: or you can do "sudo apt-get install apt-howto"
[06:33] <stan_> Kraln, not sure. I'm sure I typed "pico" (yep not vico) but it said nano in the title bar
[06:33] <stan_> anyway is there no config script in ubuntu
[06:33] <Kraln> yeah, pico is pine's closed source editor.
[06:33] <broeisi> thoreauputic: thanks
[06:33] <thoreauputic> stan_: nano is linked with pico in ubuntu
[06:33] <Kraln> xf86config doesnt work?
[06:33] <thenuke> umm, how do I add  sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart to crontab :)
[06:33] <thoreauputic> stan_: nano is a clone of pico
[06:33] <Kraln> thenuke, crontab -e
[06:33] <Kraln> nano is a gnu clone of pico
[06:33] <Kraln> :)
[06:33] <stan_> Kraln, xf86config doesn't work :P
[06:34] <thenuke> Kraln: I guess I need to add that to roots cron then
[06:34] <ronniebeck> dooglus, but that is just ESD working through ALSA.  I may as well just use ALSA and cut the middle man out
[06:34] <cyphase> come on guys, stop talking about CerBerO_
[06:34] <thenuke> but how does those /etc/cron.d and such scripts work?
[06:34] <thoreauputic> stan_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:34] <Kraln> thenuke, magically (a cron daemon)
[06:34] <thenuke> easier to maintain crontabbed jobs if I could just have that in a script in there?
[06:35] <bene> hi
[06:35] <gverig> Kraln: Worked with sudo fine. Is this (/usr/bin/gnome-app-install) the interface for CD only? I don't see packages for other repos I added.
[06:35] <thoreauputic> stan_: but if you edited it manually, re-read the text at the top of the file
[06:35] <bene> can somebody tell me how to play cs on ubuntu
[06:35] <_Church_of_Foamy> install cedega
[06:35] <bene> cedega whats that
[06:35] <Kraln> to be honest, nfc gverig
[06:35] <gverig> Kraln: Ahhh, "advanced" takes you to Synaptic
[06:35] <Kraln> bene: buy and install cedega.
[06:36] <Kraln> steam runs great under it
[06:36] <Kraln> :)
[06:36] <stan_> thoreauputic, thanks I'm tring this now
[06:36] <bene> under
[06:36] <stan_> yea works :P
[06:36] <stan_> why so long?
[06:36] <bene> cedega
[06:36] <bene> or what
[06:36] <thoreauputic> stan_: make sure you read the warning a the top of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:36] <bene> where do i find this
[06:37] <BoD_SWAT> anyone here got GFTP working with an SSL FTP connection?
[06:37] <katzor> bene, www.transgaming.com
[06:37] <gverig> Kraln: Last question. Do you know any repo/packages with art bundles (like neat wallpapers and shit like that)? I need to get my wife hooked now :)
[06:37] <stan_> thoreauputic, yea I edited the file manually already I'm having the restore left in the comments if I mess up
[06:37] <gverig> Kraln: Her arguments are "window looks prettier" :)
[06:37] <Kraln> windows looks prettier?
[06:37] <Kraln> haha
[06:37] <IIIEars> Cedega adds DirectX Emulation to Wine subscription is $5 per month $15min - well worth the price (cheap)
[06:38] <bene> thx katzor
[06:38] <Kraln> install the enlightenment window manager and 3ddesktop
[06:38] <Kraln> that'll show her.
[06:38] <katzor> welcome
[06:39] <othernoob> hi, i just made a .odt with OO2beta and when i wanted to print it, it crashed, now everytime i try to open it OO crashes. how can i recover it ?
[06:39] <IIIEars> Windows looks prettier? -  Gnome is awesomely configureable - try overlaying an image "skin" on the taskbar in windows
[06:39] <caffinated> Kraln: ...that a desktop can be made truly unusable? ;)
[06:39] <Kraln> caffinated, perhaps :0
[06:39] <Kraln> I like xfce4.2 myself.
[06:39] <caffinated> (though, the new E looks really sweet)
[06:39] <Kraln> yeah, e17 is pretty
[06:40] <IIIEars> It's already included on your desktop under properties. right click on the taskbar.
[06:40] <caffinated> It looks like they're going to start aiming at a full desktop now, instead of just a window manager
[06:40] <BoD_SWAT> I can't get GFTP working with an SSL FTP server.... help?
[06:41] <caffinated> IIIEars: no problem.  there are any number of third party programs which can alter the complete appearance and functionality of windows.  also, you can get a skinning program for XP themes.
[06:41] <caffinated> i agree though, it's easier in gnome ;)
[06:41] <lleberg_> Why is it as much uppercase letters in directorys and filenames as it is, when it's case-sensitive? :)
[06:41] <broeisi> exit
[06:41] <IIIEars> caffienated - How much did it cost? - (sly grin)
[06:42] <Kraln> because you can type the first two or three letters and hit tab
[06:42] <bene> ich bin kurz afk
[06:42] <caffinated> IIIEars: which, windows?  or the theme program?
[06:42] <gverig> IIIEars: It is CONFIGURABLE, I am there with you. See my post few lines before that, I want to find theme/wallpaper packages so that configurable would transfer into pretty :)
[06:42] <IIIEars> lol - Okay ya got me both are pricey.
[06:43] <lleberg_> Kraln: Omg ^^
[06:43] <lleberg_> Kraln: THAT is a feature i've missed
[06:43] <caffinated> IIIEars: honestly I don't have a problem with paying for something i use all the time.  if linux costed $200 I'd probably buy it, because it's worth it.  I don't mind paying that much for an OS.
[06:43] <IIIEars> << - wouldn't trade Gnome for a perfect copy of the windows desktop.
[06:44] <caffinated> and the skinning program, last time i checked, didn't cost anything.
[06:44] <IIIEars> <<-- "GIMP" pimp. - lol
[06:44] <stan_> how do I use "Synaptec"?
[06:44] <lleberg_> It feels kind of odd that windows both is quite expensive, and is so.. not good!
[06:44] <thoreauputic> << - wouldn't trade fluxbox for a perfect copy of gnome *g*
[06:44] <caffinated> lleberg_: it's fine if you understand how to defend it.
[06:44] <caffinated> which most don't.
[06:45] <caffinated> i sure wouldn't use it as a server though.
[06:45] <lleberg_> when ubuntu and lots of other dists are both better and free..
[06:45] <IIIEars> lol
[06:45] <caffinated> then again, i wouldn't use ubuntu as a server either :)
[06:45] <caffinated> lleberg_: better in some aspects.  not better in others.
[06:45] <lleberg_> caffinated: but you would use win XP as a server? :P
[06:45] <caffinated> lleberg_: ye gods no.
[06:45] <X7C> !
[06:45] <X7C> haha
[06:45] <ubotu> X7C: Are you smoking crack?
[06:45] <IIIEars> I wouldn't use debian as a serer FreeBSD looks like the winner there.
[06:45] <X7C> what's the matter with this bot
[06:46] <caffinated> lleberg_: i'd probably use a hardened gentoo for a server, or RHE
[06:46] <lleberg_> caffinated: exactly
[06:46] <transgress> i prefer FreeBSD or debian for my servers
[06:46] <IIIEars> caffinated - check out serverwatch - most servers listed are BSD.
[06:46] <caffinated> lleberg_: but windows XP and ubuntu are generally aimed at desktop users.  not servers.  so it's like comparing apples and oranges.
[06:46] <X7C> has anyone got kino working on ubuntu?
[06:46] <lleberg_> BockBilbo: Nice nick.. Bock in swedish menas Goat :P
[06:46] <caffinated> IIIEars: so?
[06:46] <X7C> i can't load any video :(
[06:46] <transgress> had entire too many problems with all the GUI's in RH... and gentoo can take too much to update... hard to run at decent speeds when you are compiling 80 things...
[06:47] <lleberg_> caffinated: yes
[06:47] <lleberg_> caffinated: But in what way are windows-xp better that ubuntu?
[06:47] <caffinated> transgress: it's quite fast, particularly if you have several consistant servers and distcc
[06:47] <IIIEars> some have been running for a year or more without -any- downtime.
[06:47] <lleberg_> exept that xp is the "standard"
[06:48] <BockBilbo> lleberg_, hehe xDDD
[06:48] <transgress> caffinated: yeah and distcc can fuck some stuff up at times too...
[06:48] <BockBilbo> didnt know that
[06:48] <caffinated> lleberg_: in the way that it's easier to get most media formats running in XP
[06:48] <transgress> caffinated: and it doesn't change that it can be quite pointless
[06:48] <lleberg_> BockBilbo: it gives me the creepes :P
[06:49] <pestilence> caffinated: not really.  once you install mplayer in ubuntu with w32codecs, you can play just about anything
[06:49] <DekaPink> Oooh, there we go... Got my old firefox settings in ubuntu. :3
[06:49] <caffinated> transgress: it can, but when it does it's usually because of varying versions of GCC.  if you keep everything consistant it's not as much a problem
[06:49] <Kraln> and anything that you can't, you can use xine
[06:49] <lleberg_> pestilence: on xp you don't have to install anything
[06:49] <caffinated> pestilence: yes, which are all in repos that are not enabled by default.
[06:49] <IIIEars> not too worried about set up time for linux with "Mondo" backup utility
[06:49] <Kraln> DekaPink, by copying the folder? :)
[06:49] <lleberg_> pestilence: sort of :P
[06:49] <pestilence> lleberg_: that's totally untrue
[06:49] <lleberg_> pestilence: i know ;)
[06:50] <caffinated> lleberg_: it's not that you don't have to install anything, it's that it's far easier to download and install what you need.
[06:50] <pestilence> caffinated: as opposed to installing about 5 different players to play the most popular formats in windows
[06:50] <caffinated> they just go to their search engine and type in "divx download" or something like that, and they will get a site which has what they need.
[06:51] <pestilence> caffinated: i'd prefer enabling 2 repositories in ubuntu, personally
[06:51] <lleberg_> caffinated: I'm not that sure about it, if it were an equal battle :P
[06:51] <caffinated> pestilence: you don't have to install 5 different players.
[06:51] <X7C> pestilence << i use totem for playing aeverything and haven't got a problem yet
[06:51] <thoreauputic> caffinated: it really depends on knowing where to get stuff: in Ubuntu it's just a question of editing a few lines in your sources.list
[06:51] <caffinated> pestilence: windows uses a centralized codec system that is shared by every player you install.
[06:51] <pestilence> caffinated: how do you play qt, real, divx, xvid, ... without multiple players in windows?
[06:51] <caffinated> X7C: right, but totem's initial setup sucks.
[06:51] <X7C> ah
[06:51] <IIIEars> xine and vlc
[06:51] <X7C> yeah... cause of propietary codec's and stuff
[06:52] <chrissturm> anyone have an acrobat reader installer that he can send me?
[06:52] <X7C> but that's part of configuring a linux box :)
[06:52] <pestilence> chrissturm: it's in multiverse, i believe
[06:52] <X7C> i do chrissturm
[06:52] <X7C> ahm... yeah
[06:52] <transgress> caffinated: umm except for some particular formats... such as real and qt... need the players to play those.  divx and whatnot will work in each of those... but you can't just get a real codec and play it in WM
[06:52] <caffinated> X7C: exactly.  but this is something we all take for granted ;)
[06:52] <X7C> it's there
[06:52] <DekaPink> Krain: Yup, and then editing the profile ini file to point to it. ^^
[06:52] <X7C> :p
[06:52] <IIIEars> Everything in windows phones home to the net before it plays. - annoying
[06:52] <lleberg_> Uhm, what is thease mmultuverse and universe repostrities (ehum, spelling? ;)) that everyone talks about? :)
[06:53] <pestilence> caffinated: mplayer and xine have "centralized codecs" as well.  and they will play real and qt
[06:53] <caffinated> transgress: quicktime does not need it's own player.  realplayer on the other hand ..
[06:53] <stan_> is there a tool to configure manually the sound port/ irg etc.?
[06:53] <X7C> multiverse and universe
[06:53] <caffinated> pestilence: yes, but what else uses them?
[06:53] <pestilence> caffinated: what else uses them?
[06:53] <transgress> caffinated: since when does qt not need it's own player?
[06:53] <Eliteforce> omg my pc starts beeping :)
[06:53] <Eliteforce> beep beep beep ....
[06:53] <Eliteforce> what the hell
[06:53] <lleberg_> Eliteforce: It rejoyces :P
[06:53] <transgress> caffinated: i'm speaking of in windows...
[06:54] <thoreauputic> transgress: you can play quick time in a number of linux players with w32codecs
[06:54] <Kraln> yeah
[06:54] <Kraln> mplayer-plugin is especially awesome
[06:54] <Kraln> it'll do quicktime, real, wmv
[06:54] <caffinated> anyhow, i'm not saying ubuntu (or linux, or opensource in general) sucks.  I'm just saying it's not a perfect solution.  and anyone who thinks it is hasn't considered the larger picture ;)
[06:54] <transgress> thoreauputic: i know that... but we were speaking of the suck of having to install multiple players in windows
[06:54] <Kraln> and it does it in firefoxd
[06:54] <Kraln> -d
[06:54] <thoreauputic> transgress: OK
[06:54] <chrissturm> pestilence: thx. for some reason the official acorbat download link doesnt work for me
[06:54] <lleberg_> Kraln: But not in 64bit version :P
[06:54] <pestilence> chrissturm: it's far easier to use apt :)
[06:54] <transgress> eh i have quite enjoyed kaffeine in konq for my web videos... was quite happy about how well it tends to work
[06:54] <Kraln> lleberg_, and now you know why i'm running a 32 bit system on my 64bit processor.
[06:54] <DekaPink> Also... Why is Ubuntu addictive, like crack? xD
[06:54] <Kraln> :P
[06:54] <caffinated> konq .. ew
[06:54] <chrissturm> pestilence: didnt expect it there :)
[06:55] <caffinated> so broken
[06:55] <lleberg_> Kraln: I've known that for a while ;)
[06:55] <caffinated> i'll stick with firefox :)
[06:55] <lleberg_> DekaPink: Have you seen the comersial for Meccedes E-class?
[06:55] <Eliteforce> puh .. does anybody know how to change the fonts in java applications?
[06:55] <transgress> umm... works quite well for me.  and they haven't compiled ff w/o gnome support in ubuntu... so i'm not installing it and pulling in 50 megs of gnome crap
[06:55] <IIIEars> Windows has it's place. just don't connect it to the 'net without your re-install disk.
[06:56] <lleberg_> DekaPink: the comfort is addictive they say, and i think it's the same with ubuntu :P
[06:56] <Eliteforce> for example in eclipse
[06:56] <Xappe> IIIEars: just don't connect it to the net without a linux NAT in between
[06:56] <Xappe> :)
[06:57] <bene> church of foamy
[06:57] <bene> i am re
[06:57] <IIIEars> gaming is much easier in windows. but i am "Mad as hell and am not going to take it anymore" - If it runs in linux it's installed in linux.
[06:57] <lleberg_> But i don't know if it's fair of me to compare win XP on 5 year old compaq OEM computer with P3 500mhz cpu, to ubuntu 5.04 on a A64 3000+ and so on :P
[06:57] <ws008> hi
[06:57] <transgress> windows has it's place... but if it's anything other than monopolozing to sell an inferior product... i'm not sure what its place is
[06:58] <ws008> jo
[06:58] <transgress> monopolizing even
[06:58] <ws008> hi
[06:58] <transgress> you've said that
[06:58] <stan_> is there a tool to configure manually the sound port/ irg etc.?
[06:58] <Kraln> stan, configure what about it
[06:59] <stan_> port, irq, model..
[06:59] <X7C> i use windows software for design.....
[06:59] <X7C> only that
[06:59] <kab00m> hi folks
[06:59] <X7C> and maybe i'm installing premiere on windows cause i can't get kino to work
[06:59] <Kraln> stan_, that's done in the alsa module config file
[06:59] <kab00m> will ubuntu run on a 300mhz celeron / 64 mb ram machine?
[06:59] <Kraln> kab00m, yep.
[06:59] <X7C> but slowly
[06:59] <thoreauputic> kab00m: only just...
[07:00] <Kraln> gnome likes a bit more
[07:00] <stan_> Kraln, , any config tool about it?
[07:00] <transgress> i'd put flux on that 300mghz machine...
[07:00] <Kraln> stan_, not afaik.
[07:00] <thoreauputic> kab00m: get yourself a 256MB stick of RAM
[07:00] <X7C> kab00m try using another WM
[07:00] <kab00m> hm is there maybe something like fluxboxuntu or so?
[07:00] <X7C> !
[07:00] <ubotu> Wish i knew, X7C
[07:00] <X7C> xD
[07:00] <Kraln> xfce4buntu
[07:00] <IIIEars> kab00m - there are othe window managers that will run just fine. gnome is a bit heftier at 80mbs
[07:01] <kab00m> ok, thank you guys :)
[07:01] <X7C> i'd install xfce too
[07:01] <stan_> Kraln, where can Ifind the ALSA config file I need to edit (find comes up with tons of files)
[07:02] <Kraln> uhm. it's the module config file. I don't remember where it is exactly, google is your friend.
[07:04] <tobey> hiya, please help - sane-find-scanner finds scanner, but scanimage -L doesn't, sane works for this scanner on my other PC (different hardware, same ubuntu ver.) any ideas?
[07:05] <X7C> damn i need more hard drive space
[07:07] <tuxedo> salut :)
[07:07] <tobey> hiya, can anyone help - troubleshooting my hp5510 scanner?
[07:10] <Kraln> tobey, using hpjis or hpoj?
[07:12] <van_> hi, why do i see wrong fonts in almost all webpages? do i need to install something?
[07:13] <lleberg_> van_: wrong?
[07:13] <van_> yes
[07:13] <van_> i mean...
[07:13] <van_> i think there should be verdana font
[07:13] <van_> but i see other
[07:13] <philipacamaniac> if you're looking for arial, tahoma, etc... you need msttcorefonts from multiverse
[07:14] <van_> what's multiverse?
[07:14] <philipacamaniac> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/x11/msttcorefonts
[07:14] <van_> thanx
[07:14] <Juhaz> or you can copy them over from windows if you're dual booting
[07:14] <thoreauputic> van_: it's a repository like main and universe
[07:14] <thoreauputic> but "non-free"
[07:14] <van_> oh
[07:15] <thoreauputic> van_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:16] <van_> thank you :] 
[07:16] <DJJaramaniack> how well does hoary work in a 486 environment???
[07:16] <Sir_Grok> WIll sone help me modify my ubuntu desktop to use a diferent windows manager? I don't know where the .conf files are/how to.
[07:17] <TheZanke[Ubuntu] > how do i make apt-get stop asking for the ubuntu cd?
[07:17] <thoreauputic> TheZanke[Ubuntu] : comment the Cd out in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:18] <thoreauputic> or use synaptic >> settings >> repositories
[07:22] <TheZanke[Ubuntu] > is there one file that i can dl with apt-get that includes all the server files for like ftp and such?
[07:22] <TheZanke[Ubuntu] > ftp mail apache(even though i have it) samba etc etc
[07:23] <thoreauputic> erm.. that doesn't make much sense
[07:23] <TheZanke[Ubuntu] > like a server package
[07:23] <kestas> is there any way to automatically restore your resolution to 1024x768 after running an app which changes it but doesnt change it back?
[07:24] <thoreauputic> TheZanke[Ubuntu] : just do "apt-cache search <keyword> " for what you need
[07:24] <thoreauputic> then install it..
[07:24] <prudence> j,km
[07:24] <jason_> hello again. The install went fine except I had to manually enter my monitor's vertical and horizontal refresh to get a higher res than 1024x768. Anyways, i just installed kubuntu-desktop and a few other packages and synaptic is sitting at preconfiguring packages and it has been for a while with near 0% cpu usage. is it dead?
[07:24] <keffo> whats wrong?
[07:24] <IIIEars> kestas - not too sure that there is. you knew CTRL+ALT+,BACKSPACE> - tho?
[07:25] <IIIEars> didn't know if you were new.. - :/
[07:25] <thoreauputic> jason_: I guess KDE is a pretty big set of packages and takes a while to configure and install
[07:26] <unknown> where i find softmodem drivers for ubuntu (conexant chipset)?????????????
[07:26] <jason_> lol, nope- i was just an idiot and didn't notice the debconf configuration page behind synaptic. In debian it comes up in a terminal window...my mistake
[07:26] <thoreauputic> jason_: :)
[07:26] <jason_> i had to choose between gdm and kdm
[07:26] <thoreauputic> unknown: check linmodems.org - and good luck
[07:27] <jason_> oh yeah, and when i had my webcam hooked up i got no sound. i think it selected the webcam rather than my sblive as the sound device
[07:28] <oDysseas> anybody on ubuntu amd64 that has azureus working?
[07:28] <unknown> thank good bye...
[07:28] <icu2> hi ppl
[07:28] <DJJaramaniack> is a 486 a viable processor for Ubuntu??
[07:28] <TheZanke[Ubuntu] > it sucks i wanted to get superkaramba to work but after like an hour of issues i gave up
[07:29] <IIIEars> modems are so inexpensive $20 dollars will get you a linux compatible
[07:29] <linukso> DJJaramaniack: not for desktop use.
[07:29] <fabbione> DJJaramaniack: yes. it's the minimum supported by the kernel
[07:29] <icu2> cant find anything about making mi sounblaster live! to make some noise
[07:29] <dr_willis>  DJJaramaniack  with a very minimal X system - 'perhaps' but dont expect much
[07:29] <fabbione> DJJaramaniack: clearly don't expect it to be fast
[07:29] <DJJaramaniack> ok
[07:29] <thoreauputic> DJJaramaniack: probably not - unless you do a bare-bones server install without X and enjoy fiddling a lot
[07:29] <Eliteforce> does somebody know how to set the font in gtk/gnome for eclipse? i use kde
[07:29] <dr_willis> icu2,  i had to mess with the sound mixers and  finianny figured it out.
[07:29] <TheZanke[Ubuntu] > whats the ftp server package called
[07:29] <dr_willis> icu2,  you useing the digital out?
[07:30] <IIIEars> DJJ - "Damn Small Linux" might be a better option.
[07:30] <thoreauputic> TheZanke[Ubuntu] : which one? there are several
[07:30] <DJJaramaniack> hmmmm
[07:30] <virtuald> my gnome is broken.
[07:30] <icu2> only analog, had the same problem with fedora
[07:30] <dr_willis> DJJaramaniack,  or featherlinux.
[07:30] <Juhaz> ram is usually bigger issue than CPU, but somehow I don't see 486 system having too much of that either
[07:30] <DJJaramaniack> I was thinking a frebsd install
[07:30] <TheZanke[Ubuntu] > like just straight ftpd
[07:30] <dr_willis> icu2,  ive mainly had to isntall some of the alternative mixer programs and twiddled with them till i got it working.
[07:30] <DJJaramaniack> I have had as much as 32 meg in a 486 comp
[07:31] <IIIEars> 486 33-60mhz
[07:31] <icu2> well, gona play with them some time , see if get it working
[07:31] <oDysseas> DJJaramaniack: if you want it to be a router there is a linux distro which is specifically designed to be for a router, but I cant remember the name
[07:31] <DJJaramaniack> I think its a 66dx
[07:31] <Eliteforce> i've got a problem with my sound
[07:31] <thoreauputic> TheZanke[Ubuntu] : apt-cache search ftpd, apt-cache show <package> to read about it
[07:31] <DJJaramaniack> I have a linksys router
[07:31] <dr_willis> icu2,  my Soundbglaster Auduigy2 works great.. after i messed with the mixers.. I think thats all ive done.
[07:32] <Eliteforce> if i play an mp3 file for example the sound hangs every 10 seconds for a very short while
[07:32] <DJJaramaniack> seems to work fine for unix and linux platforms
[07:32] <DJJaramaniack> I could however use a hardware firewall box
[07:33] <oDysseas> DJJaramaniack: what are you going to use that 486 for?
[07:33] <DJJaramaniack> prolly just a stand alone with wine and a money management program
[07:34] <Frafra> hi
[07:34] <DJJaramaniack> no internet access required
[07:34] <Frafra> i've a problem
[07:34] <Frafra> i've installed gnome phone manager
[07:34] <Frafra> and my phone ask me the code of protection of ubuntu@amd64 etc. O.o
[07:34] <Frafra> what's?
[07:35] <Eliteforce> helllooo, does anybody know how to configure fonts for eclipse? i use kde
[07:35] <dougsk> whats the diff between evms and lvm2?
[07:37] <vince_> is breezy working already?
[07:37] <thoreauputic> vince_: no : see /topic
[07:37] <Fator_Dee> it's working, but not properly :-)
[07:37] <vince_> oops.. sorry ;)
[07:38] <vince_> didn't see it
[07:39] <spanglesontoast> yo yo
[07:39] <goldfish> pro yo II
[07:39] <goldfish> My favourite yoyo.
[07:40] <DooMRunneR> hi
[07:41] <DooMRunneR> question: can i restart the soundserver without rebooting my system?
[07:41] <thoreauputic> DooMRunneR: yes
[07:41] <dr_willis>  - /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[07:41] <oDysseas> DooMRunneR: try /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[07:41] <DooMRunneR> thanx
[07:42] <shido> gnome keeps restarting sporadically
[07:42] <shido> its beginning to act like windows :(
[07:42] <lleberg_> Hohoho, i might as well try to get the tv-out going
[07:42] <shido> tv-out works on radeon
[07:42] <lleberg_> should there be a problem? ;)
[07:42] <shido> tv-in is weird and watching tv is weird
[07:42] <shido> never got that working
[07:42] <shido> I get fglrx to work for tv-out
[07:42] <jason_> why does firefox 1.0.4 from backports require gcc 4?
[07:42] <shido> but not the tv in and watcing tv under ubuntu
[07:43] <DooMRunneR> hmm
[07:43] <DooMRunneR> won't work
[07:43] <thoreauputic> jason_: don't use backports: the updated ubuntu 1.0.2 is fine
[07:43] <oDysseas> anybody on ubuntu amd64 with azureus working?
[07:43] <DooMRunneR> my pinnacle tv-card works great
[07:44] <DooMRunneR> yes
[07:44] <DooMRunneR> but not from apt
[07:45] <oDysseas> DooMRunneR: are you talking about azureus?
[07:45] <DooMRunneR> jo
[07:45] <{Seb}> hi all
[07:45] <E0x> anyone can confirm if pressing the key "#" in mplayer change the stream audio
[07:45] <E0x> ?
[07:46] <E0x> ( need a video file with 2 dif audio stream )
[07:46] <Anubis> mp32ogg bt\roken?
[07:47] <Anubis> http://pastebin.com/294712
[07:48] <Anubis> h: line 1:  8734 Broken pipe             /usr/bin/mpg321 -q -s 'Audio Books - Hypnosis - ALAN WATTS -  Teaches Meditation.mp3' 2>/dev/null
[07:48] <Anubis>       8735 Illegal instruction
[07:48] <johan_> ubuntu is very cute
[07:48] <johan_> its my first time and i think its nice
[07:48] <{Seb}> yeh, ubuntu is good
[07:48] <david_> did you just switch
[07:48] <johan_> its crazy fastr
[07:48] <{Seb}> on my athlon 2000+ it is 1000s faster than windows
[07:48] <{Seb}> it shocked me!
[07:48] <johan_> 10 minutes ago yes
[07:49] <{Seb}> Another one rides the bus...
[07:49] <johan_> never tried windoze i had mdk before
[07:49] <JovenComunista> hello
[07:49] <johan_> i got amd64 and run the 64 ubuntu
[07:50] <johan_> people told me i might get in trouble with 64 version anyone tried it before
[07:50] <jeroen_> johan_, the problems you might run into are that not all software works on 64bit version
[07:51] <johan_> what about matlab fortran and c
[07:51] <jeroen_> johan_, I have used Suse 64bit before, and didn't like that. That whas some time ago though
[07:51] <johan_> do they work in 64
[07:51] <Eliteforce> hi, what package do i need in order to run gnome-font-properties?
[07:52] <JovenComunista> hello... i have a little problem with my computer
[07:52] <JovenComunista> i have ubuntu
[07:52] <jeroen_> JovenComunista, just ask
[07:52] <JovenComunista> but it frezze
[07:52] <JovenComunista> i think it might be the video card... becouse that happend to me before with windows
[07:52] <jeroen_> JovenComunista, does it freeze always, when you run certain programs, at boot, ..
[07:53] <JovenComunista> well, always... when i have some time using it
[07:53] <spanglesontoast> do different shells do different things?
[07:53] <jeroen_> When it freezes, does it do nothing at all, anymore? Does the screen go black?
[07:53] <JovenComunista> sometimes it goes black
[07:54] <jeroen_> What happens when you press control-alt-backspace, JovenComunista
[07:54] <JovenComunista> other times,
[07:54] <jeroen_> JovenComunista, (when it is frozen ofcourse)
[07:54] <JovenComunista> it doesn't do anything
[07:54] <JovenComunista> nothing
[07:54] <jeroen_> nothing when pressing control-alt-backspace?
[07:54] <jeroen_> And you said it happened in windows aswell? Might be hardware then
[07:54] <JovenComunista> well... let me see... i haven't tried that
[07:55] <JovenComunista> yeah, but i repair it in windows
[07:55] <IIIEars> CTRL+ALT+<numpad +>
[07:55] <JovenComunista> changing the smartgart from x2 to x1
[07:55] <jeroen_> control-alt-backspace restarts the X server (responsible for graphics etc)
[07:55] <JovenComunista> in the control panel
[07:55] <JovenComunista> it's a radeon 9200 se
[07:55] <__c4__> anyone have any suggestions for getting a bootsplash to work?  I've read the startup guide, googled myself silly and I get a framebuffer with 1280x1024 but no background image, though it is specified in grub's menu.lst properly...
[07:55] <jeroen_> I have the same card, JovenComunista
[07:56] <JovenComunista> how do you change that?
[07:56] <JovenComunista> the smartgart?
[07:56] <jeroen_> I have never experienced said problem
[07:56] <jeroen_> I don't know about "smartgart"
[07:57] <JovenComunista> let me try with the ctrl+alt+backspace
[07:58] <__c4__> anyone?
[07:58] <TheZanke[Ubuntu] > how can i set up a mailserver and  use it from another computer?
[07:59] <jeroen_> __c4__, post your menu.lst @ www.pastebin.com so we can have a look
[07:59] <spanglesontoast> what does this do ATI binary kernel module source ?
[07:59] <__c4__> jeroen:will do...thanks
[08:00] <sevets> Hey does
[08:01] <sevets> anyone know of the packet sniffer that automatically displays images from captured packets?
[08:01] <DooMRunneR> anyone here with a asus a8n-sli mainboard?
[08:01] <__c4__> jeroen: it's at http://pastebin.com/294729
[08:01] <Eliteforce> does somebody know which file is beeing edited by gnome-font-properties?
[08:02] <jeroen_> __c4__, where is the splash image located?
[08:02] <spanglesontoast> ethereal sevets
[08:02] <DekaPink> Anyone know any alternatives to Obsidian? :3
[08:02] <__c4__> jeroen: /boot/grub/images/
[08:03] <jeroen_> __c4__, on what drive is / mounted ? (type "mount" in a terminal to see)
[08:03] <sevets> spanglesontoast: I know of ethereal it is a packet sniffer but does it display images from packets across the network?
[08:03] <__c4__> jeroen: /dev/hda1
[08:03] <sevets> What I am looking for is this program that Build the images from the packets as it sniffs them
[08:03] <sevets> And I don't think it does much else
[08:04] <sevets> I just can't remember the name
[08:04] <jeroen_> __c4__, your menu.lst is almost completely like mine
[08:04] <__c4__> jeroen: and I assume your bootspash works... :>
[08:04] <van_> what is Ircap?
[08:04] <jeroen_> __c4__, works, yes: http://pastebin.com/294731
[08:05] <spanglesontoast> depends how you set it up
[08:05] <__c4__> jeroen: I checked all the kernel options the wiki's & docs say to have...not sure what I'm missing...
[08:05] <johan_> i wanna host with nfs on my ubuntu box
[08:06] <johan_> on private network
[08:07] <__c4__> jeroen, I notice you don't explicitly set a vga mode or setup a framebuffer...seems like it "just works" for you...
[08:07] <DekaPink> Or, at least, how to make Obsidian start when I start xchat instead of having to load it every time? :3
[08:07] <jeroen_> __c4__, yeah, sort of
[08:07] <Kyynara> where would I find more sources for my /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[08:07] <slept> johan_, you know how to do that or do you need help ?
[08:08] <__c4__> jeroen, any idea where I should go for more info to try to make this work?  I'm out of ideas at this point...
[08:08] <oDysseas> so azureus amd64 isn't in apt?
[08:08] <carthik> Kyynara, and why would you need more sources?
[08:08] <transgress> azureus isn't in apt whatsoever
[08:08] <jeroen_> __c4__, is your .xpm correct? Maybe it doesn't display because it is faulty
[08:08] <lok> azureus isn't in apt
[08:08] <oDysseas> why?
[08:08] <transgress> java isn't even in the standard repo's
[08:08] <jeroen_> lok, java trap
[08:08] <resiak> I've been dancing around trying out different WMs, but have reverted to what I was using before. As I was experimenting, I found that sometimes the scrollwheel on my mouse was made doubly sensitive. Sadly, it seems to be stuck being doubly sensitive even back in my original WM. Where is this controlled?
[08:08] <johan_> i was asking actually i did it once with mdk but long ago
[08:08] <jeroen_> oDysseas, java trap
[08:08] <lok> but azureus works on amd64
[08:08] <johan_> if yoiu could just hint me
[08:08] <oDysseas> java trap?
[08:09] <lok> java apps aren't on apt
[08:09] <carthik> azureus does not work in a bug-free manner for me :(
[08:09] <__c4__> jeroen, yeah...I can try another...see if that's it...one other weird thing...when you boot up...do you have multiple colors in the text, such as the [ OK ]  when services start?  for me it's just white...no coloring...which seems strange...
[08:09] <jeroen_> oDysseas, http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html
[08:09] <carthik> sometimes when it starts up an old session, it checks the files and finds that it is already completed -erroneously
[08:09] <oDysseas> ok I'll check out
[08:09] <transgress> will OOo 2 be in apt?
[08:10] <Eliteforce> how can i find out optimal v/h refresh rates without a monitor manual?
[08:10] <jeroen_> __c4__, it has no coloring when correct, some distro's have coloring (green = good)
[08:10] <transgress> Eliteforce: google
[08:10] <jeroen_> __c4__, I think it's red when something fails though
[08:10] <__c4__> jeroen, yeah, I have a server running Fedora and it does the coloring, so I wondered if anything was wrong...
[08:10] <jeroen_> __c4__, nope
[08:10] <oDysseas> Eliteforce: check your monitors manufacturer website
[08:10] <Eliteforce> its a laptop display
[08:10] <__c4__> jeroen, k...well thanks for the info, I'll go look for a new spash image and see if mine's corrupted...
[08:10] <jeroen_> __c4__, could you try a different bootsplash? Maybe that's it (just a wild guess)
[08:11] <kleydson> hello, i'm a brazillian user and i've problems with my lan printer... can someone help me?
[08:11] <jon273> What do i need to do to get tomcat installed? I can't find it in the universe..
[08:11] <Eliteforce> and there's not enough information about the laptop display on the manufacturers site
[08:11] <iceman> anyone using ubumtu on a mac ?
[08:11] <carthik> kleydson, what seems to be the problem?
[08:11] <jeroen_> iceman, loads of people, but not me
[08:11] <carthik> Eliteforce, google for what others have to say about the particular laptop model?
[08:11] <Anubis> while trying to use mp32ogg gnome crashes and restarts!?!
[08:11] <iceman> Wonder what the minimum mac requirements are for a install
[08:12] <slept> johan_, if you have installed the nfs server you just have to add:  /path (ro) or (rw) in /etc/exports , then you can mount from the other machine IP:/path
[08:12] <jeroen_> kleydson, what kind of computer has the printer? (what operating system)
[08:12] <kleydson> my printer, a hp laserjet 1300 dont install ok
[08:12] <IIIEars> Hm. - Some file names are not supported by windows. What types of files?
[08:12] <kleydson> system is windows
[08:12] <jeroen_> kleydson, have you set samba up?
[08:12] <carthik> kleydson, is that printer connected to another desktop, or is it a standalone network printer?
[08:12] <IIIEars> erm - I want to write a disk and it complains about compatibilty mode.
[08:12] <slept> Eliteforce, get-edid| parse-edid from the read-edid package can tell you
[08:13] <carthik> jeroen_, samba for just one printer is sort of overkill... it will work with cups, or hpijs.. does for me
[08:13] <JovenComunista> now it's worst
[08:13] <kleydson> i maked correct the samba configurations (i think)... and, the printer are installed in a windows 98 machine
[08:13] <JovenComunista> it's freeze just after the log in
[08:13] <jeroen_> carthik, you can get a windows printer to work with cups?
[08:13] <iceman> any one know tha mac system requirements for umbuntu
[08:14] <JovenComunista> and crtl-alt-bckspc doesn't work
[08:14] <IIIEars> !ubotu LAN printing XP
[08:14] <ubotu> IIIEars: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[08:14] <jeroen_> JovenComunista, and what if you try with the command line interface?
[08:14] <carthik> jeroen_, if it is a network printer...
[08:14] <Eliteforce> slept: i dont have / can find these packages
[08:14] <jeroen_> !ubotu printing windows
[08:14] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, jeroen_
[08:14] <JovenComunista> well.. i don't know much about linux... i'm just learning
[08:14] <IIIEars> LAN Printing XP --  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetworkPrintingFromWinXP
[08:14] <slept> Eliteforce, it's in universe
[08:15] <jeroen_> IIIEars, that's *from* winxp
[08:15] <Eliteforce> carthik: http://www.google.com/search?q=amilo%20a1630%20display%20horizontal%20refresh&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[08:15] <Anubis> iceman, http://powerpc.ubuntuguide.org/
[08:15] <iceman> ty
[08:15] <jeroen_> ahluka, gnome or xfce
[08:15] <ahluka> xfce is more lightweight yes?
[08:15] <ahluka> thats what i need - a lightweight GUI
[08:15] <JovenComunista> i have both windows me and xp in different partitions... can i uninstall the ubuntu?
[08:15] <jeroen_> ahluka, yes
[08:15] <Juhaz> a bit
[08:15] <Anubis> ahluka, uhm GNOME is what ubuntu is sjhipped and supported with..
[08:15] <jeroen_> JovenComunista, ofcourse
[08:16] <JovenComunista> how?
[08:16] <ahluka> Anubis: how easy is it to get xfce
[08:16] <JovenComunista> i installed the grub
[08:16] <Anubis> ahluka, but its an obtuse question with no real answer
[08:16] <Eliteforce> slept: i  have enabled the universe repo but i still cant find get-edid
[08:16] <spanglesontoast> fglrx-control how do I use it?
[08:16] <iceman> dang do not see system specs there ... ?
[08:16] <ahluka> hmm
[08:17] <Anubis> ahluka, apt-get install xfce4 or so
[08:17] <slept> Eliteforce, its called read-edid but to use it you have to type get-edid | pares-edid
[08:17] <kleydson> someone know about the type of correct configuration to makes a smb printer works? because in my enterprise, we use another linux debian based system and the printer works
[08:17] <ahluka> well im looking to use it with a lightweight gui, in a developer environment
[08:17] <JovenComunista> [jeroen_] 
[08:17] <JovenComunista> how can i uninstall?
[08:18] <jeroen_> JovenComunista, I think you should rad the wiki for a neat way. You could remove the partition, but you'll want your windows bootloader back
[08:18] <JovenComunista> yes..
[08:18] <JovenComunista> well... thanks :)
[08:19] <TheZanke[Ubuntu] > how can i set up a mailserver and  use it from another computer?
[08:19] <carthik> Eliteforce, 1600 x 1200 / 16M / 85Hz
[08:19] <Eliteforce> no
[08:19] <carthik> ElBarono, from http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=amilo+a1630+monitor
[08:19] <JovenComunista> i tried the fedora, i didn't freeze but it was very complicated
[08:19] <carthik> sorry that was Eliteforce : http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=amilo+a1630+monitor
[08:19] <spanglesontoast> fglrx-control how can i run it?
[08:20] <carthik> Eliteforce, the first result therein
[08:20] <TheZanke[Ubuntu] > no one?
[08:20] <Eliteforce> carthik: yes and all infos i'll find are these: 1280x800, 60Hz
[08:20] <iceman> Do not see mac specks for minimum system requirements .. dang it
[08:20] <spanglesontoast> ah
[08:20] <DooMRunneR> does this constilation work, my source-binding is oss, my default binding is alsa and the mixer is oss
[08:21] <DooMRunneR> i dont her anything
[08:21] <DooMRunneR> no sound ...
[08:21] <Eliteforce> carthik: yes i know this document, but there stands nothing like vertical / horzontal refresh rate
[08:22] <Anubis> gkrellm segmentation fault: gkx86info (update_monitor
[08:22] <Anubis> damn
[08:22] <Anubis> everything is falling aprt?!
[08:22] <Fator_Dee> superglue to the rescue!
[08:22] <jeroen_> spanglesontoast, how about alt+F2 and then type in "fglrx-control"?
[08:23] <slept> how does ubotu learn things, who teaches him  ?
[08:23] <carthik> Eliteforce, why dont you just call fujitsu usa?
[08:23] <spanglesontoast> how about you learn to use a normal gui terminal
[08:23] <destuxor> yo
[08:23] <sevets> Does anyone know of an "image packet sniffer?"
[08:24] <destuxor> you mean a server side app?
[08:24] <Eliteforce> carthik: i'll do this now
[08:24] <destuxor> like dsniff or etheral?
[08:24] <jeroen_> spanglesontoast, I use a normal gui terminal
[08:24] <destuxor> or darksat (w00t)
[08:24] <jeroen_> spanglesontoast, not control alt f2, but alt f2
[08:25] <lleberg_> I think i need a bit of schooling in the gimp :P
[08:25] <jeroen_> spanglesontoast, that gives you the "run application" dialog
[08:25] <BleSS> how identify a ubuntu system? does it has /etc/debian_version?
[08:25] <desrt> lleberg_; 2 tips that are almost everything.
[08:25] <desrt> 1) right click
[08:25] <lleberg_> i haven't used any picturing program exept for ms paint or so
[08:25] <desrt> 2) use modifier keys
[08:25] <lleberg_> :P
[08:25] <spanglesontoast> ah
[08:25] <destuxor> BleSS, uname -a ?
[08:25] <spanglesontoast> soz lol
[08:25] <jeroen_> lleberg_, install gnupaint or kolourpaing (last one is for kde)
[08:25] <desrt> when you press shift/ctrl/alt/whatever the watch the cursor change for hints :)
[08:26] <lleberg_> hah :D
[08:26] <lleberg_> jeroen_: i might as well do that :P
[08:26] <BleSS> destuxor, i needs know if ubuntu has a file as that
[08:26] <desrt> BleSS; cat /etc/issue
[08:26] <jeroen_> lleberg_, and there's always..... Tuxpaint! (painting program for kids ;) )
[08:26] <destuxor> BleSS, there may be a /etc/issue or somethiing, let me loo
[08:26] <destuxor> k
[08:27] <jeroen_> lleberg_, it goes like "ploing!"
[08:27] <destuxor> BleSS, ther is a /etc/debian_version
[08:27] <lleberg_> jabular: Omg!
[08:27] <desrt> destuxor; but it's the debian version...
[08:27] <destuxor> well that's what he was asking for
[08:27] <destuxor> uname -a
[08:27] <BleSS> destuxor,  ahh, ok, thanks
[08:27] <jeroen_> lleberg_, jabular?
[08:28] <kleydson> someone knows what's the correct syntax to install a lan printer, installed in a windows98 pc?
[08:28] <carthik> BleSS, lsb_release -a will give you the version of Ubuntu, too, if you need to check that
[08:28] <lleberg_> jeroen_: uhm, tabbed the wrong nick
[08:28] <destuxor> Guys, what is the most reliable means of installing Xine on Ubuntu?  I'm a Gentoo user so I've never used Synaptec and I don't see Xine in there... ideas?
[08:28] <jeroen_> lleberg_, thought so ;)
[08:28] <BleSS> carthik, ok, thx
[08:28] <runedude> destuxor: probably 'apt-get install xine' ?
[08:28] <dr_willis> destuxor,  check the ubuntu wiki's ;P they will proberly detail it.
[08:29] <stjepan> hello
[08:29] <dr_willis> you may need to add some different repositories.
[08:29] <stjepan> Activate the ethernet network connection, if available.
[08:29] <destuxor> ahh apt-get, ok I forgot about that, thanks
[08:29] <stjepan> I have not ethernet
[08:29] <Kyynara> what do I have to do to get libpng 1.2.1?
[08:29] <stjepan> do I really need it to install ubuntu
[08:29] <lleberg_> jeroen_: How do i install the gnupaint?
[08:29] <jeroen_> stjepan, no
[08:29] <carthik> stjepan, no, you need it to update, though
[08:29] <stjepan> I have ADSL
[08:29] <stjepan> but wireless
[08:29] <jeroen_> lleberg_, with synaptic (you might need universe repositories)
[08:29] <stjepan> USB
[08:30] <lleberg_> jeroen_: I haven't really got what thease universe and multiverse is..
[08:30] <stjepan> How can I connect in Ubuntu via Wireless ADSL adapter, usb
[08:30] <stjepan> ??
[08:30] <jeroen_> lleberg_, it's name is "gpaint", and yes, it's in universe
[08:31] <lleberg_> oh
[08:31] <jeroen_> lleberg_, main is supported by ubuntu and free (as in freedom)
[08:31] <lleberg_> i tried gnupaint
[08:31] <iamnow> hello
[08:31] <stjepan> can anyone help me?
[08:31] <jeroen_> lleberg_, restricted is non-free but really important, and therefor supported
[08:31] <stjepan> pls help
[08:31] <jeroen_> lleberg_, universe is free and community maintained
[08:31] <goldfish> a wireless usb adapter?
[08:31] <jeroen_> lleberg_, multiverse is non-free community maintained
[08:31] <iamnow> making a custom livecd...i get an error when i do step #3 of the extraction process.
[08:31] <iamnow> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo/view?searchterm=livecd
[08:31] <carthik> stjepan, everyone's read your question, but no one might know. be patient :)
[08:32] <lleberg_> jeroen_: Ehum, mkay
[08:32] <iamnow> Block 660 length 15307 => 65536
[08:32] <iamnow> Block 661 length 16172 => 65536
[08:32] <iamnow> Block 662 length 17338 => 65536
[08:32] <iamnow> Uncomp: input corrupt 662
[08:32] <lleberg_> jeroen_: Anyway, it's working now, thanks!
[08:32] <jeroen_> lleberg_, If you don't understand it, look at the wiki where it'll be explained better :p
[08:32] <stjepan> :(
[08:33] <lleberg_> jeroen_: i might as well do that :P
[08:33] <Tatster> Hi - I have installed mysql server on my box but I cannot connect to it remotely.  What do I need to check?
[08:33] <desrt> is there any way to make apt-get be more informative when a build-dep fails to work?
[08:33] <desrt> E: Build-dependencies for gnome-panel could not be satisfied.
[08:33] <desrt> ^ not particularly useful
[08:33] <lleberg_> jeroen_: btw, where is it explained? :P
[08:33] <jeroen_> desrt, try apt-get --help ?
[08:34] <jeroen_> lleberg_, I don't know; search the wiki for "repository" or "universe"
[08:34] <desrt> jeroen_; all i found was verbose... doesn't help
[08:34] <Phyrex> Tatster: try to comment out line "skip-networking" in my.cnf
[08:35] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg-0.8pre5.png <--what do you guys think of this?
[08:35] <jeroen_> Amaranth, ehh.. looks decent
[08:35] <desrt> Amaranth; menu editor?
[08:35] <slept> desrt, you can get the source and build it by hand , then you'll know more , dpkg-buildpackage -D might help
[08:36] <jeroen_> Amaranth, better than the current smeg
[08:36] <desrt> slept; autoconf is being atypically unuseful, actually
[08:36] <Amaranth> jeroen_: tell me how to make it better
[08:36] <desrt> oh.  i see.  good suggestion.
[08:36] <jeroen_> Amaranth, it looks good; it displays "other" which is great :)
[08:37] <haloecho> greetings
[08:37] <Amaranth> jeroen_: 0.7 does too
[08:37] <jeroen_> Amaranth, I like the properties of the icons to not be opened in a new window
[08:37] <jeroen_> Amaranth, I have .5
[08:37] <Amaranth> jeroen_: Write me a treeview widget that does what you want and you've got it.
[08:37] <desrt> slept; spot on.  thanks.
[08:38] <Amaranth> jeroen_: oh, you're way out of date ;)
[08:38] <jeroen_> Amaranth, I can't. What I mean is that it's annoying to have a new window pop-up, just to make a quick change, especially if you want to make several changes to several icons.
[08:39] <Amaranth> jeroen_: Well, I can't either so we're stuck.
[08:41] <lleberg_> jeroen_: what do they mean with non-free on multiverse?
[08:42] <rob_lt> Anyone here ever used gpsdrive?  I can't seem to load the nasa sat map.
[08:42] <__Rob> how long should it take to install the base system for hoary?
[08:42] <jeroen_> lleberg_, they mean free as in freedom. The freedom to alter and redistribute the software. http://www.fsf.org/
[08:42] <lleberg_> jeroen_: oh
[08:42] <iamnow> Uncomp: ?
[08:43] <makisupa> I'm having a repository/dependency problem...trying to install Arson, which needs the kdelibs.  The version that synaptic or apt-get are looking for (3.1) are not at security.ubuntu (3.2).  Any ideas?
[08:43] <iamnow> what is Uncomp
[08:43] <lleberg_> jeroen_: So it's nothing that it would cost me anything or things like that?
[08:43] <stjepan> may I ask you a question?
[08:43] <jeroen_> lleberg_, no
[08:43] <iamnow> Block 662 length 17338 => 65536
[08:43] <klaym> anyone know of any programs on ubuntu for monitoring the stock market?
[08:43] <iamnow> Uncomp: input corrupt 662
[08:43] <iamnow> klaym: gnome panel stock ticker?
[08:43] <stjepan> may I?
[08:43] <jeroen_> stjepan, the topic of this channel says "Just help"
[08:43] <stjepan> :)
[08:44] <stjepan> ok
[08:44] <jeroen_> I mean
[08:44] <jeroen_> "Just ask"
[08:44] <stjepan> Is ubuntu buggy?
[08:44] <dr_willis> i cant even think of any. :P
[08:44] <jeroen_> ubuntu breezy is buggy, but it's supposed to be. It's the version for testing
[08:44] <dr_willis> a few 'oddities' in ways.. bt trivial.
[08:44] <jeroen_> Ubuntu hoary (current release) has been real stable for me
[08:44] <thoreauputic> stjepan: no show stoppers in Hoary AFAICS
[08:45] <klaym> iamnow: I mean like a tool where you could set, for example a gliding average rate, etc
[08:45] <lleberg_> For me to, and i'm on the 64bit
[08:45] <lleberg_> (but the w32codecs and flashplayer doesn't work)
[08:45] <jason_> KDE 3.3.2 allowed the user to choose what gtk theme to use for gtk apps in KDE. i don't see that option in ubuntu's KDE 3.4
[08:45] <jason_> how do i access it?
[08:45] <iamnow> klaym: no idea what that is
[08:45] <__Rob> should 'installing the base system' take 1-2 hours?
[08:45] <jeroen_> __Rob, hell no
[08:45] <klaym> I'll try the ticker though, thx
[08:46] <__Rob> jeroen_: well it is.. it's taken 15 minutes to get to 11%
[08:46] <jeroen_> __Rob, not on a decent speed computer anyway
[08:46] <nalioth> howdy y'all
[08:46] <__Rob> jeroen_: this is in virtualpc, which runs fast enough to install most other things at a decent rate
[08:46] <nalioth> __Rob: depends on what hardware and what network connection you have
[08:47] <jeroen_> __Rob, I have a friend who installed with a virtual machine
[08:47] <jeroen_> __Rob, I will ask him ;)
[08:47] <nalioth> __Rob: virtual pc only runs at 300mhz, no matter the host system speed
[08:47] <lleberg_> uhm, i have this kind of strange problem
[08:47] <__Rob> nalioth: network connection? does ubuntu not contain all it needs on the iso image?
[08:47] <lleberg_> when the xscreensaver is running
[08:47] <oDysseas> kde for ubuntu is binary?
[08:47] <lleberg_> itshows the commands it''s running at the top of the screen!
[08:47] <lleberg_> in yellow text
[08:47] <nalioth> __Rob: ubuntu upgrades itself during install if it finds a net connection
[08:48] <synd> hello peoples
[08:48] <__Rob> naolith: must be a different virtualpc to the one i use... it runs quite nicely (benchmarks at 600-700Mhz)
[08:48] <ngd> hey guys, I was playing with a live cd the other day, is the screen lock ubuntu uses just xscreensaver with a different dialog?
[08:48] <nalioth> __Rob: which one are yo using?
[08:48] <__Rob> nalioth: VirtualPC 7
[08:49] <nalioth> __Rob: then i'm screwed, then, cuz my vpc7 docs tell me "300 mhz pentium"
[08:49] <nalioth> __Rob: why are u not installing the PPC ubuntu?
[08:49] <jason_> anyone know how to force the kde theme on gtk apps? it's an option in kcontrol in debian
[08:49] <__Rob> nalioth: i'm testing something out
[08:50] <oDysseas> jason_: I dont think you can set a QT theme in GTK apps
[08:50] <jason_> oDysseas, you can in KDE 3.3.2
[08:50] <synd> __Rob: OS X running VPC running ubuntu?
[08:50] <dazed> hey whats the easiest way to share between MAC and linux?
[08:50] <refuze2looze> how can i get VLC to use esd to playback audio?
[08:50] <__Rob> synd: yes :)
[08:50] <ngd> dazed: nfs
[08:50] <ngd> dazed: or samba
[08:50] <nalioth> synd: aint it strange? he's having 'long duration install syndrome'
[08:50] <jeroen_> Amaranth, smeg complains about the version of python-xdg
[08:50] <synd> nalioth: haha.
[08:51] <Amaranth> jeroen_: use the installsmeg script
[08:51] <__Rob> well, ubuntu is the only thing which has been slow to install
[08:51] <synd> __Rob: why on earth would you want that? just for fun?
[08:51] <jason_> so, KDE 3.4 removed that option?
[08:51] <dazed> well im not a MAC man i hardly know how to get around on it...(all confusing) i have both smb and nfs setup on my nix comp hwo do i share on a mac comp its for my sister and she has no idea how to help me to share folders
[08:51] <Amaranth> jeroen_: or use backports
[08:51] <nalioth> dazed: share what?
[08:51] <__Rob> synd: i'm trying out ubuntu which i may install on an older machine once a replacement PSU arrives
[08:51] <dazed> my sister is trying to get songs of her friends computer (mac) and im using my laptop as a middlepoint (nix) to get the files
[08:52] <runedude> __Rob: no spare computers to steal PSU from? ;-)
[08:52] <synd> __Rob: why dont you just use a PPC live CD?
[08:52] <nalioth> __Rob: ppc ubuntu and x86 ubuntu are 'virtually' the same
[08:52] <stjepan> do you know any ubuntu flash videos?
[08:52] <shido> Xauthorization file
[08:52] <shido> where is that?
[08:52] <dr_willis> Os-X should have samba/WindowShares features.
[08:52] <shido> i ran startx as root once
[08:52] <__Rob> PPC ubuntu doesn't support my hardware
[08:52] <__Rob> (i.e. airport extreme)
[08:52] <shido> do i need to change it back to my normal user?
[08:52] <stjepan> do you know any ubuntu flash videos?
[08:52] <stjepan> no?
[08:52] <synd> __Rob: that's broadcom's fault
[08:52] <Davey> dr_willis: yup, it uses samba itself
[08:53] <Davey> __Rob: oops. Heh
[08:53] <synd> __Rob: I would have Ubuntu on my PPC as well only if it supported my AX card
[08:53] <__Rob> whos fault it is doesn't bother me.. the fact it wont work is what does
[08:53] <synd> __Rob: it does however support the wired config
[08:53] <dazed> so how do i share a folder or something like that on a mac comp is what im really asking i guess
[08:53] <slept> dazed, what is the "middlepoint" for ? I syour systers computer windows ?
[08:53] <synd> __Rob: it will probably never work
[08:53] <rob_lt> Does anyone here know anything about edonkey?  Is the last series of digits at the end of this link an md5sum?  ed2k://|file|top_nasamap_east.raw.bz2|379972653|7312437945BD47CCF0B2A0C3452D5836|/
[08:53] <nalioth> synd: i have ubuntu on my PPC nyah nyah nyah
[08:54] <__Rob> synd: which is why i'm trying out x86 ubuntu...
[08:54] <shido> ok I fixed it
[08:54] <dazed> slept: yes but i can transfer nix to windows because im farmilliar with both platforms just not frmailliar with mac
[08:54] <shido> .Xauthority was owned by root
[08:54] <DooMRunneR> how i change the soundserver in rythmbox?
[08:54] <synd> __Rob: well, why not try on an x86 machine?
[08:54] <nalioth> __Rob: APX is the only hardware not supported
[08:54] <rob_lt> specifically the 7312437945BD47CCF0B2A0C3452D5836?  This is a legit download of a nasa satellite map.
[08:54] <__Rob> synd: broken PSU
[08:54] <synd> that may alleviate some problems
[08:54] <synd> nalioth: :p
[08:54] <nalioth> dazed: try this: http://fink.sourceforge.net
[08:55] <lizardking> Some can help me?
[08:55] <lizardking> or give me some advices?
[08:55] <synd> nalioth: what ppc do you use again?
[08:55] <jeroen_> lizardking, just ask
[08:55] <dazed> nalioth: thanks
[08:55] <lizardking> thanks
[08:55] <slept> dazed, mac windows communication works aswell  , I think you can copy to a shared folder on the windows system
[08:55] <DekaPink> Uh... Hey... Is there anyway to access the Ubuntu partition from Windows, just like it accesses the Windows partition? :3
[08:55] <lizardking> How many problem I will have if I decide to ugrade warty to Hoary?
[08:55] <lizardking> I have try to do it two times and the first time I had some problem with moving applications like XMMS and the second I had big problem with Xorg, his configuration and the Nvidia driver [that not work property in hoary]  (I have a wonderful configuration in warty)
[08:55] <lizardking> Moreover If I upgrade to Hoary when the synpatic/apt-get configures the applications like (GDM, Xorg etc..) is it better to leave my script or to make the installer overwrite new scripts??? (like Xorg.conf file or the GDM config)...
[08:56] <lizardking> I don't want to upgrade to hoary and to have black screen at the reboot...
[08:56] <lizardking> this is my question: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39107
[08:56] <synd> lizardking: thats some fast typing : D
[08:56] <nalioth> synd: iBook G3/600
[08:56] <lizardking> cpy and paste
[08:56] <lizardking> :D
[08:56] <lizardking> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39107 the links is this
[08:57] <synd> lizardking: just goto your sources.list and change all references of warty to hoary
[08:57] <DekaPink> Oooh, and something else I was curious about... Can each of the virtual desktops have a different background? :3
[08:57] <nalioth> DekaPink: i think there might be a ext reading proggy for win2k> but am not sure. would like to say not reliably
[08:57] <lizardking> all reference?
[08:57] <jason_> i needed to install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[08:57] <lizardking> ok ok
[08:57] <Fator_Dee> DekaPink: there are programs for it
[08:57] <jason_> that allows you to use qt themes for gtk apps
[08:57] <synd> lizardking: then apt-get update || apt-get upgrade
[08:57] <lizardking> ok
[08:57] <jason_> see http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25507.html
[08:57] <lizardking> but for the scripts?
[08:58] <DekaPink> nalioth: Thanks, I just wanted to check... I guess that means if I put things from the windows partition to Ubuntu, there's no way of getting 'em back there easily. :3
[08:58] <synd> nalioth: oh.. you dont have an AX card then, right?
[08:58] <magog> i cant install multi-disc installes, when it asks for the second disc i hit eject and it says drive is in use, even if i try unmounting it first
[08:58] <magog> what can i do
[08:58] <lizardking> That is when the isntaller says to me to overwrite or to leave my custom scripts inits which chocice?
[08:58] <lizardking> like xorg.conf
[08:58] <synd> leave em, i guess lizardking
[08:58] <nosilver4u> yay, i got dual-monitors going (for anyone that was here earlier when i was trying to figure it out)
[08:58] <synd> unless you wanna redo them
[08:59] <lizardking> I don't want to loose my confiuguration
[08:59] <jeroen_> lizardking, copy yours over to floppy/cd/whatever, then choose to overwrite
[08:59] <synd> nosilver4u: nice
[08:59] <lizardking> leav em = ???
[08:59] <synd> thats an even better idea
[08:59] <jeroen_> lizardking, copy them, than overwrite; if it goes wrong, you still have your old ones on medium
[08:59] <lizardking> Ok So U tell me to bckpu that scripts? in particular which? xorg.conf gdm.conf...
[09:00] <lizardking> ok and if that on medium goes BAD
[09:00] <runedude> Ubuntu Breezy works quite nicely.
[09:00] <jeroen_> lizardking, the ones you edited
[09:00] <runedude> ;)
[09:00] <synd> runedude: wait til they update : )
[09:00] <runedude> synd: lol
[09:00] <runedude> synd: ive had none of these issues
[09:00] <runedude> btw if breezy screws my settings up, can I downgrade to hoary?
[09:00] <synd> runedude: what issues?
[09:00] <lizardking> jeroen_, and if that I save are bad ??
[09:01] <egg> hi
[09:01] <runedude> synd: alot of people said id have problems with breezy
[09:01] <magog> does anyone have a solution for me?
[09:01] <jeroen_> lizardking, then you use the default ones
[09:01] <synd> runedude: well have yuou checked the /topic : )
[09:01] <runedude> erm nope
[09:01] <jeroen_> synd, noone does
[09:02] <lizardking> jeroen_, but in this cas I will loose my wonderful powerful warty configuration: that is nvidia dirver
[09:02] <runedude> synd: i always check topic on join , and saw the breezy thing, but theres nothing wrong with breezy.
[09:02] <synd> well it just erks me when people have questions and shit about breezy when the topic says to not use it.
[09:02] <_kurt> can anyone tell me how to make my softmodem work in ubuntu 5.04
[09:02] <synd> runedude: not you specifially
[09:02] <egg> ^^
[09:02] <magog> ok i guess nobody can give me a solution considering im being ignored
[09:02] <jeroen_> lizardking, then don't upgrade.. :/
[09:02] <jeroen_> lizardking, can't help you
[09:03] <lizardking> jeroen_, I have a lot of fear to not return back to warty
[09:03] <lizardking> ^___^
[09:03] <lizardking> jeroen_, U made an upgrade?
[09:03] <jeroen_> lizardking, I have never run warty
[09:03] <lizardking> jeroen_, Do U know if nvidia driver for hoart y are now fixed?
[09:03] <egg> ^______________________________^
[09:03] <lizardking> jeroen_, ok
[09:04] <jeroen_> lizardking, you can get them with synaptic so I guess... yes
[09:04] <jeroen_> don't use them, lizardking
[09:04] <jeroen_> magog, tell id
[09:04] <lizardking> jeroen_, Why?
[09:04] <magog> i cant install multi-disc installes, when it asks for the second disc i hit eject and it says drive is in use, even if i try unmounting it first
[09:04] <magog> thats my prob
[09:04] <jeroen_> lizardking, they're non-free, and I don't have a nvidia card
[09:05] <lizardking> jeroen_, I understand perfectly
[09:05] <lizardking> ok thanks for help
[09:05] <lizardking> jeroen_, However if i make update I advice me to overwrite All congifuration?
[09:05] <lizardking> jeroen_, However if i make update you advice me to overwrite All congifuration?
[09:06] <magog> so im screwed"?
[09:06] <HappyFool> magog: what are you trying to install?
[09:06] <magog> ut2k4
[09:07] <jeroen_> What I'd do: Backup all my confs, and overwrite, lizardking
[09:07] <lizardking> jeroen_, Thanks a lot :*
[09:07] <lizardking> jeroen_, Very thanks
[09:07] <lizardking> jeroen_, I'll do that
[09:07] <lizardking> BYE
[09:08] <mayco> allow me to say that the ubuntu bugzilla sucks... i can't report bugs with it since i need to fill in a component field that doesn't excists. also, after a mistake, (when you have to press back), you need to fill in everything again
[09:09] <HappyFool> magog: sorry, i don't know what's wrong
[09:09] <thoreauputic> magog: try typing "sudo eject /dev/cdrom "
[09:09] <lleberg_> magog: i had the same problem, a bit
[09:09] <magog> ok
[09:09] <magog> lleberg_, did you solve it?
[09:09] <lleberg_> magog: i could unmount it from the desktop ikon
[09:09] <magog> i cant
[09:09] <lleberg_> right click, and unmount
[09:09] <jeroen_> mayco, file a bug on it ;)
[09:09] <magog> it says in use
[09:09] <mayco> jeroen_, sure... erm, i can's :p
[09:10] <mayco> can't
[09:10] <jeroen_> mayco, mail the mailinglist
[09:10] <mayco> what group?
[09:10] <magog> brb imma start the install and pray it will work
[09:12] <magog> "device is busy" failes
[09:12] <magog> OMG
[09:12] <thoreauputic> magog: try  umount -l /dev/cdrom
[09:12] <spanglesontoast> anyone know much about dri enabled in the kernel, and the X dri module loaded ?
[09:13] <magog> thoreauputic, ty ur a godsave
[09:13] <magog> worked
[09:13] <slept> does anyone know if apple adc membership is free of charge ? I would like to try darwin - I love the aqua style ?
[09:13] <_hp_> slept: not free at all
[09:13] <thoreauputic> magnon: it's called "lazy umount" - risky but here's hoping
[09:13] <slept> :(
[09:13] <_hp_> slept: you can get aqua themes online
[09:14] <BoD_SWAT> I'm in search of a FTP client with SSL support (also with encrypted file transfer). Does anyone know a good one?
[09:14] <maswan> BoD_SWAT: lftp
[09:14] <slept> _hp_,  it's the panel that makes me love it
[09:14] <poningru> guys question
[09:15] <BoD_SWAT> maswan, do you also know if there is a GUI for it?
[09:15] <maswan> BoD_SWAT: probably not
[09:15] <BoD_SWAT> maswan, do you know one with a GUI?
[09:15] <maswan> BoD_SWAT: I haven't used a gui ftp client for years
[09:15] <maswan> and never on a free operating system
[09:15] <oDysseas> BoD_SWAT: doesn't gftp support ssl?
[09:15] <BoD_SWAT> maswan, why not? It makes it so much easier
[09:16] <BoD_SWAT> oDysseas, gFTP doens't support encrypted file transfers
[09:16] <poningru> how do you put some running program out of the panel and into the icon area
[09:16] <maswan> BoD_SWAT: it does? gui means lots of annoying and inconvenient pointing and clicking with the mouse
[09:16] <thoreauputic> BoD_SWAT: once you are used to cli, GUI is often slower
[09:17] <mock> Hey, anybody here using hoary hedthog in german language?
[09:17] <lleberg_> when i installed this system, i used a 3button scrollmouse
[09:17] <jeroen_> mock, #ubuntu-de
[09:17] <TheZanke[Ubuntu] > how do i uninstall packages with apt-get?
[09:17] <chrissturm> apt-get remove
[09:17] <jeroen_> mock, /join #ubuntu-de
[09:17] <mock> thx
[09:17] <lleberg_> but, after that, i changed to my wireless with like 5 buttons
[09:17] <lleberg_> but running the same settings yet
[09:17] <slept> TheZanke[Ubuntu] , apt-get --help
[09:17] <thoreauputic> TheZanke[Ubuntu] : sudo apt-get remove <package>
[09:17] <magog> ok i got the second cd in but it doesent recognize it when i click ok
[09:17] <magog> grrrrr
[09:18] <lleberg_> how do i set it to use al the buttons?
[09:18] <magog> ive mounted it to
[09:18] <jeroen_> lleberg_, I have a 5 button mouse aswell, haven't configured it though, because I think the extra buttons suck
[09:18] <BoD_SWAT> maswan, thoreauputic, I already know of the 'power' that the command line holds, yet (at this time) selecting certain files for copying/etc  is a lot easier for me with a GUI
[09:18] <jeroen_> BoD_SWAT, it is
[09:19] <Quest-Master> Is it possible to downgrade your packages?
[09:19] <thoreauputic> BoD_SWAT: the only way to learn is to immerse yourself in the CLI and use it - it's well worth the effort
[09:19] <thoreauputic> BoD_SWAT: having said that, a simple drag-and-drop is often convenient
[09:20] <Vixus> Can I downgrade something I apt-got?
[09:20] <BoD_SWAT> hmmm... I've got some learning to do then ;-)
[09:20] <Vixus> like WINE for instance?
[09:20] <thoreauputic> BoD_SWAT:  tuxfiles.org is a good starting point
[09:21] <BoD_SWAT> thoreauputic, thnx :-)
[09:21] <thoreauputic> :)
[09:21] <wdh> Vixus, it is possible yes.. search google or the wiki for 'downgrade apt-get pinning' i guess
[09:21] <wdh> Vixus, not at all fool-proof though
[09:21] <Vixus> :p
[09:21] <Vixus> wine broke when i upgraded
[09:21] <Vixus> get some error about debugging
[09:21] <wdh> Vixus, the system was not designed for downgrades, so prepare for some breaking :)
[09:22] <wdh> Vixus, what version did you upgrade to?
[09:22] <Fator_Dee> what cli-program can I use to get as much info as possible from an image file?
[09:22] <Vixus> Well, then I wish upgrades worked.
[09:22] <DekaPink> Anyone know what's with the ?
[09:22] <wdh> hoary or breezy?
[09:22] <Vixus> hoary
[09:22] <lleberg_> Uhm, how do i get gaim to flash or something when someone writes to me?
[09:22] <Quest-Master> lleberg_: Guifications
[09:22] <wdh> Vixus, so the last version of hoary breaks for you?
[09:22] <refuze2looze> is there a bash command that checks if a program is running?
[09:22] <Vixus> no, wine
[09:22] <Vixus> not hoary
[09:22] <lleberg_> Quest-Master: But where?
[09:22] <spanglesontoast> how do I enable dri?
[09:23] <Quest-Master> wdh: I have an older version of Wine, and a program works with it but it doesn't work on Vixus's and he's got pretty much the same conditions on his system as me
[09:23] <linukso>  Hi! Does anyone know of a program that can edit exif info?
[09:23] <thoreauputic> refuze2looze: ps aux | grep programname
[09:23] <Vixus> lleberg_: guifications.sf.net
[09:23] <Quest-Master> lleberg_: Search for it on Google.. the main site has .deb's
[09:23] <Quest-Master> ;)
[09:23] <thoreauputic> refuze2looze: or pgrep programname
[09:23] <wdh> Vixus, of course you could just uninstall and reinstall wine
[09:24] <wdh> Vixus, 'apt-get remove --purge wine'
[09:24] <Vixus> Quest-Master: It doesn't have .debs
[09:24] <Quest-Master> Vixus: it does for the old versions
[09:24] <lleberg_> But what is this guifictions? :P
[09:24] <oDysseas> is there a way to install 32bit firefox in ubuntu amd64? I need flash
[09:24] <jeroen_> lleberg_, read the site, click on "guifications"
[09:24] <Quest-Master> lleberg_: enables MSN-like notifications for Gaim.
[09:24] <Vixus> lleberg_: Just see the site.
[09:25] <lleberg_> ok ok :P
[09:25] <jeroen_> Quest-Master, so it's like amsn? :p
[09:25] <Quest-Master> jeroen_: .. no.. :P
[09:25] <BoD_SWAT> ROFL! lFTP gives me "pget: Access failed: 521 Data connections must be encrypted."
[09:25] <Vixus> wdh: I'll try that
[09:26] <Vixus> same error wdh
[09:26] <Vixus> Not fixed... :[
[09:26] <lleberg_> there are a few downloading alternatives..
[09:26] <monolive> anyone familiar with ubuntu bounties
[09:27] <lleberg_> windows, fedora, mandrake redhat and source :P
[09:27] <lleberg_> but no debian or ubuntu :P
[09:28] <Anubis> are you under 100 procs?
[09:28] <Vixus> Quest-Master: Sorry, looks like it refuses to wrok.
[09:29] <thoreauputic> BoD_SWAT: try lftp
[09:29] <thoreauputic> >    set ftp:ssl-force true
[09:30] <thoreauputic> then connect and login. of course...
[09:31] <refuze2looze> thoreauputic: i was thinking more of a command that returns a boolean value (for a script)
[09:31] <BoD_SWAT> thoreauputic, that was lftp
[09:33] <jeroen_> Is there a decent hearts game for linux? I can't find one
[09:36] <jeroen_> Is there a decent hearts game for linux? I can't find one
[09:38] <shawarma> lleberg_: The guifications are in the universe.. You know that, right?
[09:38] <lleberg_> i tried it but it didn't want to
[09:38] <thoreauputic> ! seen bystander
[09:38] <ubotu> thoreauputic: Wish i knew
[09:38] <shawarma> lleberg_: How so?
[09:38] <thoreauputic> hrmph
[09:38] <shawarma> lleberg_: I'm using it right now. works fine.
[09:38] <lleberg_> shawarma: it can't find any package named guifications
[09:39] <jeroen_> shawarma, he's using 64 (correct, lleberg_ ?)
[09:40] <lleberg_> I am
[09:40] <shawarma> lleberg_: It's called gaim-guifications
[09:41] <lleberg_> shawarma: Oh
[09:41] <lleberg_> and it is just to  start gaim and it should be there?
[09:42] <kengur> hello, anyone leeching from mp3 servers on irc?
[09:42] <nosilver4u> any ideas on how to resolve a conflict with libxt6 in breezy?
[09:42] <shawarma> lleberg_: You have to enable the plugin in the configuration, but yes.
[09:44] <nosilver4u> it tells me to run 'apt-get -f install'
[09:44] <nosilver4u> which tries to force the install, i believe, but it gives an error because there is a file that exists in another package
[09:44] <lleberg_> nosilver4u: why are you running breezy? :)
[09:45] <nosilver4u> nm, it's a fix-broken flag, not force
[09:45] <nosilver4u> cause they froze mono, and i'm a glutton for punishment
[09:45] <chrissturm> nosilver4u: try to install xbase-clients -20
[09:46] <chrissturm> sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/xbase-clients_6.8.2-20_i386.deb
[09:47] <nosilver4u> ok, i'll try that
[09:47] <chrissturm> whats your exact error message?
[09:48] <nosilver4u> it won't let me do that, says there are 'dependency problems'
[09:49] <chrissturm> i'm not sure what problem you have. there are a lot of possible problems with breezy
[09:49] <nosilver4u> trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults', which is also in package xscreensaver
[09:49] <nosilver4u> that's the error
[09:49] <chrissturm> oh, that one
[09:49] <nosilver4u> you've seen it?
[09:49] <oDysseas> anybody knows how to change the display picture on gaim for an msn account?
[09:50] <chrissturm> nosilver4u: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/<package>
[09:50] <chrissturm> you should have the exact filename at the end of the error message
[09:50] <nosilver4u> oDysseas: right click on the gaim icon, and go to Accounts, Edit the MSN account, and choose your buddy icon there
[09:50] <oDysseas> thanks nosilver4u
[09:51] <nosilver4u> ok, i'll try it
[09:51] <pauldaoust> hey, folks, is anyone else getting glacial transfer speeds with USB mass storage devices? both my flashdrive and my camera transfer at maybe 1 MB/min
[09:51] <we2by> any one has dual cpu running?
[09:51] <pauldaoust> whereas I figure I should be getting 1 MB/sec
[09:51] <spanglesontoast> how do I ignore a dependencie
[09:51] <spanglesontoast> so I can install a .deb
[09:52] <chrissturm> spanglesontoast: doenst make much sense.
[09:52] <nosilver4u> it complains about dependencies still
[09:52] <oDysseas> nosilver4u: I cant find the option to change the buddy icon, do I need a plugin or something?
[09:52] <nosilver4u> when i try that
[09:52] <spanglesontoast> how do I force it it to install
[09:53] <chrissturm> nosilver4u: sudo apt-get -f install
[09:53] <nosilver4u> i don't think it requires a plugin
[09:54] <nosilver4u> what if i do a apt-get -f --force-overwrite install?
[09:54] <chrissturm> no need to
[09:54] <spanglesontoast> mean't with dpkg
[09:54] <jeroen_> spanglesontoast, dpkg --help to see
[09:55] <nosilver4u> i've tried it though
[09:55] <nosilver4u> that's when i get that first error message
[09:55] <chrissturm> did you try again after the dpkg -i ?
[09:55] <nosilver4u> woah
[09:55] <spanglesontoast>  xlibmesa-gl I want it to install
[09:55] <spanglesontoast> and ignore that
[09:55] <narkone> #ubuntu-es
[09:56] <transgress> perhaps dpkg -i --force package.deb?
[09:56] <nosilver4u> it worked, and i have no idea why
[09:56] <chrissturm> i do
[09:56] <nosilver4u> care to expound?
[09:56] <narkone> what is the spanish chanel?
[09:56] <jeroen_> narkone, #ubuntu-es I think
[09:56] <chrissturm> dpkg complianed about a missing dependency, but maked the package to be installed
[09:56] <narkone> ok
[09:56] <spanglesontoast> I want to install the driver from ati
[09:56] <pauldaoust> THAT IS BIZARRE
[09:56] <narkone> thanks
[09:56] <jeroen_> narkone, yes it is, I'm sure
[09:56] <chrissturm> nosilver4u : and the apt-get installed the dependencies
[09:56] <narkone> yes
[09:56] <transgress> i have that happen all the time
[09:57] <narkone> it is
[09:57] <narkone> bye
[09:57] <nosilver4u> beauty
[09:57] <spanglesontoast> and I already no theres one in the repos
[09:57] <spanglesontoast> but I want to try the ati one
[09:57] <nosilver4u> thanks a bunch
[09:57] <chrissturm> np :)
[09:57] <pauldaoust> I figured out the problem with my flashdrives... apparently gpilotd was thinking my flashdrive was a USB Palm device of some sort and trying to access it, thus getting in the way of any program that was trying to copy files. WEIRD.
[09:58] <ahluka> so does ubuntu have any problems setting up ethernet? ive got a via rhine II
[09:58] <spanglesontoast> how do I specify dpkg to ignore dependency?
[09:58] <jeroen_> ahluka, ethernet works fine here
[09:58] <chrissturm> spanglesontoast: you probably want to do something else
[09:58] <ahluka> so it's not as bitchy as gentoo?
[09:58] <jeroen_> spanglesontoast, read the output of dpkg --help
[09:58] <ahluka> thank god!!
[09:59] <chrissturm> spanglesontoast: what package do you want to install?
[09:59] <ivan_> hi everyone!
[09:59] <spanglesontoast> fglrx-6-8-0_8.12.10-2_i386.deb
[10:00] <ivan_> jeroen_: waves?
[10:01] <ivan_> anyone here from mexico? hay alguien de mexico aqui?
[10:01] <sidnei> hello
[10:01] <poningru> guys what is that area in the panel where the clock, volume icon etc. is placed called?
[10:01] <poningru> what is that area called?
[10:02] <phanter> hello. I would like to set my server so I can log in on it and it can send mail via the ISP (some of my mails from my laptop are rejected becouse it is not from a ISP). How can I do this, I do not know where to begin?
[10:02] <oDysseas> notification area
[10:02] <sidnei> anyone knows if suspend-to-disk works on older powerbooks (pismo)
[10:02] <poningru> ah
[10:02] <chrissturm> spanglesontoast: breezy?
[10:02] <poningru> how do you add a running program to that area?
[10:02] <spanglesontoast> hoary
[10:02] <spanglesontoast> actually
[10:02] <chrissturm> where did you get that deb from?
[10:02] <spanglesontoast> from ati's site
[10:02] <oDysseas> poningru: the program must support it
[10:02] <poningru> xchat
[10:03] <oDysseas> dont think it supports it
[10:03] <poningru> really?
[10:03] <carthik> poningru, the program should support it
[10:03] <poningru> ok nm then thank you
[10:03] <jeroen_> poningru, some programs have a "traydock" plugin or something like that - amsn has one
[10:04] <poningru> I will probably search around for it
[10:04] <poningru> thanks guys
[10:04] <poningru> phanter: what exactly do you want to do?
[10:04] <spanglesontoast> ?
[10:04] <poningru> send email through your server?
[10:05] <bene> hihi
[10:05] <bene> can someone telle me where i find cedega
[10:05] <bene> to play cs on a linux pc
[10:05] <glyne> hello all , i need help please
[10:05] <jeroen_> glyne, as the topic says: just ask! :)
[10:05] <oDysseas> bene: transgaming.com, you've got to pay for it though
[10:06] <bene> omg i don 't want to pay
[10:06] <spanglesontoast> or you can grab the cvs
[10:06] <glyne> i got this error : /etc/X11/X is not an executable
[10:06] <spanglesontoast> cvs you can compile
[10:06] <glyne> how can i fix it?
[10:06] <phanter> poningru, I want to send my mail via my ISP. But I have a laptop and changing ISP's all the time. I want to use my server so I can always send my mails via the same path and still using the ISP
[10:06] <spanglesontoast> the only thing I reckon you are paying for is the gui
[10:07] <poningru> phanter: what email program do you use?
[10:07] <poningru> because you may not have to do all of this complicated stuff if you use thunderbird
[10:07] <phanter> poningru, I use thunderbird
[10:07] <phanter> oke, how can I do that?
[10:08] <poningru> all you have to do is put in your ISPs smtp server
[10:08] <poningru> phanter: do you know how to do that or am I misunderstanding you?
[10:08] <phanter> poningru, yes, but my ISP only accepts mail if it sended from within it own network. So if I am at uni (i am at 2 uni's) or at my parents place (every weekend) my mail does not work anymore
[10:09] <poningru> ah ic
[10:09] <phanter> poningru, ic ?
[10:09] <poningru> I see
[10:09] <jeroen_> phanter, sudo apt-get install bsd-games && wtf is ic
[10:10] <poningru> yeah all I can think of is VPN in to your server and then send through that
[10:10] <poningru> but no clue how to do that
[10:10] <jeroen_> phanter, sudo apt-get install bsdgames && wtf is ic
[10:10] <phanter> poningru, hmm to bad :(. I'll look further than.
[10:10] <phanter> jeroen_, annoy somebody else please
[10:11] <poningru> hold on I am sure this is covered in the wiki
[10:11] <poningru> look for setting up email through vpn or something similar
[10:11] <phanter> poningru, oke... in the ubuntu wiki? I'll start looking ...
[10:12] <poningru> yeah
[10:14] <TJORVEN> whats the fdisk command to see all partitions??
[10:14] <jeroen_> TJORVEN, find out with help
[10:15] <spanglesontoast> is it safe to install xfree86?
[10:15] <chrissturm> no
[10:15] <TJORVEN> jeroen_, yes but it says -l but its not workin
[10:15] <spanglesontoast> why not?
[10:15] <jeroen_> TJORVEN, specify the disk (hda,hdb,hdc etc)
[10:15] <chrissturm> hoary is xorg
[10:15] <chrissturm> spanglesontoast: look here: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html
[10:16] <TJORVEN> jeroen_, will try
[10:16] <poningru> phanter: hmm I cant seem to find any on how to send email over vpn
[10:17] <poningru> also another problem maybe that the uni may not allow vpn
[10:17] <poningru> so you may wanna find that out before trying this
[10:17] <spanglesontoast> ty
[10:18] <spanglesontoast> sleepy time
[10:20] <phanter> poningru, I think they do allow vpn. but I am not 100% sur
[10:21] <phanter> poningru, indeed. good idea. Thanks
[10:21] <poningru> yep np
[10:21] <poningru> sorry couldnt be of more help
[10:24] <TJORVEN> how do i copy a whole directory in teminal?
[10:24] <danko123456> copy or move?
[10:24] <TJORVEN> copy
[10:24] <carthik> TJORVEN, cp -r foo bar will copy dir foo to dir bar, and all the files in dir foo...
[10:24] <poningru> cp
[10:25] <carthik> -r == recursive
[10:25] <TJORVEN> carthic, thanks
[10:25] <shinu> if i chmod a-x to some files, is there any way for them to get the x attribute back by itself?
[10:25] <danko123456> not necessarily.
[10:25] <shinu> those files are on my http server
[10:26] <katie> hi people
[10:26] <nosilver4u> chrissturm: now i got a better error for ya
[10:26] <katie> does everyone use ubuntu?
[10:27] <afrosheen> nope
[10:27] <katie> oh ok
[10:27] <afrosheen> kubuntu here
[10:27] <katie> oh
[10:27] <katie> cool
[10:27] <katie> i use the same
[10:27] <ablyss> ubuntu here
[10:27] <afrosheen> it comes with an extra K
[10:27] <katie> i use the same lol
[10:27] <ablyss> w/ xfce
[10:27] <nosilver4u> xbase-clients postinst warning: /etc/X11/xkb/xkbcomp symbolic link points to wrong location /usr/bin/xkbcomp
[10:27] <katie> but its a bit hard to do lol
[10:27] <nosilver4u> that's when i went to finish my dist-upgrade on breezy
[10:27] <katie> i find problems on it
[10:27] <bene> can somebody tell me how to install something on linux
[10:27] <bene> like cedega
[10:28] <danko123456> #cedega prolly can.
[10:28] <nosilver4u> it has 2 packages left, xbase-clients & x-window-system-core
[10:28] <ablyss> readme_install_howto.txt
[10:28] <ablyss> try there.. works for everytime
[10:28] <ablyss> for *me*
[10:28] <katie> i dunno how you people know all this any how lol
[10:29] <katie> i dont know nothing about kubuntu lol :((
[10:29] <ablyss> we all work for Holdiay Inn
[10:29] <katie> ohh ok
[10:29] <ablyss> oops Holiday*
[10:29] <katie> whats that though? lol
[10:29] <TJORVEN> should i write cp -r directorynamefullpath bar fulltargetdirectory?
[10:29] <ablyss> it's a joke. tv commerical joke
[10:30] <katie> oh so you write jokes then?
[10:30] <katie> or do jokes?
[10:30] <afrosheen> lol
[10:30] <carthik> TJORVEN, what is "bar"
[10:30] <afrosheen> he's a sit-down comedia
[10:30] <TJORVEN> dunno
[10:30] <carthik> TJORVEN, you typed it...
[10:30] <katie> im sure he is
[10:30] <katie> arnt we all...
[10:30] <danko123456> ah...no, but I stayed at the hioliday inn last night type of thing, ablyss? :)
[10:30] <ablyss> i tend to try to do jokes but end getting stared at like im an alien speaking a different language
[10:30] <TJORVEN> you did too
[10:30] <carthik> TJORVEN, cp -r /home/carthik/foo /home/carthik/bar/star/bucks/
[10:31] <katie> so who really talks in here?
[10:31] <carthik> TJORVEN, oh, that! bar is just a name I chose for a directory
[10:31] <katie> i hardly see anyone else typing....lol
[10:31] <danko123456> katie: we know how to do things cause we use linux, some know more cause they have been using it longer. You learn while using iut the best, especially the distro specific things.
[10:32] <TJORVEN> ok
[10:32] <carthik> katie, everyone is, you dont have enough karma to read everything yet :)
[10:32] <katie> oh
[10:32] <ablyss> the past week or so that i've been in this chat I've accidently left my auto-ignore script on... i been missng have the chat
[10:32] <TJORVEN> will try again
[10:32] <ablyss> have/half
[10:32] <katie> whats a karma?
[10:32] <carthik> katie, sort of like good-credit
[10:32] <katie> oh
[10:32] <carthik> but I was kidding
[10:32] <afrosheen> everyone's looking at natalie portman pictures right now
[10:32] <bene> i wanna play cs on ubuntu
[10:32] <katie> well ha ha...
[10:33] <afrosheen> bene: runs in wine, dunno about cs:source
[10:33] <envel> Has anybody the song "The day you went away" (M2m)?
[10:33] <bene> cs 1.6
[10:33] <martinhj> I tried a debootstrap breezy in hoary but got access denied on chroot /mnt/breezy mount -t proc proc /proc (acctually on mount and every other binary I downloaded) - is it because of the libc-version the breezy packages are built against does not match the libc-version I'm currently running in hoary?
[10:33] <goldfish> bene: I've done it.
[10:33] <afrosheen> bene: hit google, there are a million howtos
[10:33] <danko123456> katie: you know why we are not typing...we have come to the conclusion that in order to get most help to people that need it, we need to type only when we know how to fix, or contribute to fixing someone';s problem, otherwise it scrolls off the screen.
[10:33] <katie> so basically i have looooads to learn then on here :(( lol
[10:33] <afrosheen> counter strike wine debian would probably be a good search string
[10:34] <katie> oh
[10:34] <carthik> katie, not really - it is simple, and there is a pattern to everything :)
[10:34] <ablyss> my best advice for any new ubuntu user is to install webmin and every module possible and learn how the modles work
[10:34] <katie> oh good :)
[10:34] <katie> yey
[10:35] <ablyss> webmin makes using linux a lot easier for those of us who dont know their way around linux
[10:35] <katie> how do you message people on this thing if you wanna talk in private?
[10:35] <ablyss> type '/notice <nick>
[10:35] <katie> say if you wanna message without the red text on here....
[10:35] <carthik> katie, you ask the person, and then "/msg <nick> <message>
[10:35] <Fator_Dee> katie: /query nick
[10:35] <ablyss> er, /notice nickname message
[10:36] <carthik> like /msg katie hi
[10:36] <carthik> katie must have got a hi from me now
[10:36] <katie> umm yeah...
[10:36] <katie> so say for example...
[10:37] <katie> lol yay
[10:37] <ablyss> hmm
[10:37] <katie> :)
[10:38] <katie> yay
[10:38] <jeroen_> ablyss, what's so good about webmin?
[10:39] <katie> or...
[10:39] <Fator_Dee> what was that program for windows that burns dvd's, free and all?
[10:39] <ablyss> jeroen_, i find it very useful for configuring linux especially since I dont know my way around linux
[10:39] <Rayen16> hi, what are Ubuntu's system requirements to run X on it ?
[10:40] <synd> how do i add skins to xmms
[10:40] <katie> yay
[10:40] <jeroen_> synd, download them and put them in the skins directory (I think it's ~/.xmms)
[10:40] <katie> lol
[10:40] <jeroen_> synd, ~/.xmms/Skins
[10:40] <TJORVEN> thanks for all help carthik really......
[10:40] <synd> jeroen_, thanks. i got the .wsz file already.. just didnt know where to putit
[10:40] <katie> yay i done it so far :)
[10:40] <ablyss> download winamp classic skins
[10:41] <nutorian> How do you change your user passwd?
[10:41] <katie> hmm...heres another question....
[10:42] <katie> how do you change colour on here..?
[10:42] <nutorian> How do you change your user passwd?
[10:42] <jeroen_> nutorian, system -> administration -> users and groups
[10:42] <katie> lol
[10:42] <katie> shh laddies first....hehe
[10:42] <goldfish> katie: colour on where?
[10:42] <katie> on here
[10:42] <goldfish> nutorian: run 'passwd'
[10:43] <goldfish> katie: em, irc? :)
[10:43] <katie> umm
[10:43] <katie> how..?
[10:43] <goldfish> heh
[10:43] <Rayen16> she probably means xchat
[10:43] <katie> irc?
[10:43] <goldfish> what client are you using?
[10:43] <katie> huh..
[10:43] <jeroen_> katie, you mean in this chat?
[10:43] <Rayen16> hahahaha
[10:43] <katie> i dunno lol
[10:43] <katie> :(
[10:43] <Rayen16> LOL
[10:44] <goldfish> hehe
[10:44] <goldfish> katie: this is irc :)
[10:44] <brum> so who uses what irc clients?
[10:44] <goldfish> chat like.
[10:44] <Rayen16> hi, what are Ubuntu's system requirements to run X on it ?
[10:44] <goldfish> I use irssi.
[10:44] <linukso> irssi
[10:44] <Fator_Dee> irssi
[10:45] <Fator_Dee> :-o
[10:45] <goldfish> Chatzilla is ugly :/
[10:45] <brum> i agree
[10:45] <linukso> mIRC?! in wine?
[10:45] <goldfish> lol
[10:45] <katie> yay
[10:45] <brum> lol
[10:45] <Rayen16> linukso no, try again!
[10:45] <nutorian> How do you install Cedega from source?
[10:46] <Fator_Dee> nutorian: you compile it
[10:46] <mendoza> hi all, I tried to download some torrent files using gtorrent, but I only get *.exe files, anyone knows why?
[10:46] <linukso> nutorian: download the source, unpack it and read the install instructions
[10:46] <Rayen16> linukso: why would I emulate a program if I could use an alternative program which can do the exact same thing
[10:46] <jeroen_> mendoza, because you downloaded the torrent of an exe?
[10:46] <Rayen16> i'm off
[10:47] <Fator_Dee> nutorian: read the readme file
[10:47] <mendoza> normally not, I tried one music file and one movie
[10:47] <linukso> mendoza: evil people use selfextraction arcives to give you spyware...
[10:47] <katie> i know...random question....but how old are you people anyway? if you dont mind me asking...
[10:47] <katie> just curious....
[10:47] <gverig> Can somebody please point me to a good article on Window Managers? KDE and GNOME and desktops. KDE has kwm, GNOME has ... (?). Can KDE be used with a different manager or will is not be KDE any longer? Same for GNOME. What is the difference between WMs? Within GNOME you can customize panels and window dressings. What is different about different WMs besides what can be controlled by themes?
[10:47] <goldfish> katie: 19
[10:47] <katie> oh my...and you people know about all this already..?
[10:47] <mendoza> I see, so there is no way to get it back?
[10:47] <brum> much like BitchX
[10:48] <danko123456> 22
[10:48] <goldfish> katie: im just learning
[10:48] <katie> awww
[10:48] <Fator_Dee> 19 in two days :-|
[10:48] <katie> im learning to!
[10:48] <goldfish> katie: i've chatted to 13 year olds on here who have built their own computers :)
[10:48] <katie> but im going pretty slow at it :(
[10:48] <goldfish> katie: same here... how old are you?
[10:48] <katie> my bro builds his own computer :)
[10:48] <goldfish> At least your tryng to learn.
[10:48] <katie> im 11!
[10:48] <katie> no...im joking...
[10:48] <jeroen_> katie, 14
[10:48] <brum> and FBI
[10:49] <brum> ;)
[10:49] <jeroen_> goldfish, I built my own computer last year :)
[10:49] <katie> im 20....
[10:49] <goldfish> jeroen_: I would if i had the money...
[10:49] <danko123456> and your name is not katie, right...
[10:49] <linukso> gverig: your asking a big question :)
[10:49] <brum> probably kevin
[10:49] <katie> it is katie.....what you think my name is?
[10:49] <gverig> linukso: I know. I am big...
[10:50] <gverig> linukso: I tried RTFM but can't find much
[10:50] <goldfish> gverig: fluxbox is cool
[10:50] <linukso> gverig: but this is a gret site: http://xwinman.org/
[10:51] <gverig> linukso: I understand what GNOME and KDE are (I think). They include libraries for interfacing with X (Qt and GTK) and sets of tools (like arts vs. ESD, etc)
[10:51] <linukso> gverig: gives you an overview of most wm available for X.
[10:51] <gverig> linukso: I found this one. It does not answer my question though, what is the difference? I mean there are screenshots...
[10:52] <Chain> hey.. I have xchat 2.4.3 and I cant seem to get a perl.so  does anyone know where I can download this file?
[10:52] <gverig> linukso: And there are themes for each WM (that don't work on other WMs)
[10:52] <gverig> Chain: With Perl maybe?
[10:53] <linukso> gverig: most wm's have their own unike themes
[10:53] <gverig> linukso: Right. But do I choose WM just by the themes I like?!
[10:53] <jeroen_> katie, though you were joking, my sister is 11 year old and she uses Ubuntu.. :)
[10:53] <linukso> gverig: but *box wm's are (sometimes) compatible
[10:53] <gverig> That don't sound right...
[10:53] <Chain> I have perl.. but I have searched my whole harddrive and nothing comes up perl.so.. I have tried the perl.so that goes with gaim but it dosent work and other .so files
[10:53] <katie> oh ok cool
[10:53] <Chain> I need the perl.so and I cant find it
[10:54] <Chain> it should be in my /usr/lib/xchat/plugins folder but its not there
[10:54] <jeroen_> Chain, I have it there
[10:54] <linukso> Chain: stupid quiestion: why do you need perl.so
[10:54] <Chain> the folder is empty.. I uninstalled and reinstalled and I have the same problem
[10:54] <Chain> to run a script
[10:54] <Chain> perl based*
[10:54] <linukso> Chain: ok
[10:55] <linukso> Chain: which version of gaim are you running?
[10:55] <gverig> Chain: Weird... Do you install it from an a package?
[10:55] <katie> how many versions of gaim does it have?
[10:55] <katie> i only use the 1
[10:56] <goldfish> katie: there is only one gaim, but it has different versions like, you know.. updated verisons...
[10:56] <linukso> gverig: you can use gnome or kde with different wm's, if you really want to...
[10:56] <imsdle> how do you install an RPM in ubuntu
[10:56] <linukso> imsdle: you dont...
[10:56] <jeroen_> imsdle, you use alien
[10:56] <goldfish> imsdle: alien blah.rmp
[10:56] <goldfish> *rpm
[10:56] <katie> oh
[10:56] <gverig> linukso: I got that. What I don't understand is why would I want to :) Just for themes?
[10:57] <ablyss> going fish you all have fun
[10:57] <goldfish> will give u a .deb
[10:57] <katie> like aMSN?
[10:57] <jeroen_> gverig, performance
[10:57] <jeroen_> katie, aMSN is different
[10:57] <katie> where do you get aMSN?
[10:57] <katie> you people really need to help me lol
[10:57] <jeroen_> katie, you can install it with synaptic package manager
[10:57] <gverig> jeroen_: Which ones are faster, why, where can I read about that?
[10:57] <LinuxJones> imsdle, what are you trying to install it may be already available for doanload via the Ubuntu repositories ?
[10:57] <runedude> katie: www.google.com/search?q=amsn
[10:57] <katie> i think its gonna take days for me to learn lol
[10:57] <danko123456> !install
[10:57] <ubotu> danko123456: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[10:57] <jeroen_> gverig, I don't have a freaking idea ;)
[10:57] <goldfish> katie: open up synaptic and search for it
[10:57] <gverig> BTW, how do I find out which WM I am running now ? :)
[10:58] <linukso> gverig: Ok, some want themes, some want features, some want to be cool.... many reasons to switch wm.
[10:58] <linukso> gverig: kde =kwin, gnome=metacit
[10:58] <katie> how can you view webcams on linux?
[10:58] <linukso> metacity
[10:58] <imsdle> i want to load the sun java engine so I can access oracle 10g.. jinitator isn't available in linux so i downloaded the rpm
[10:58] <katie> is there such a way?
[10:58] <jeroen_> gverig, applications -> system tools -> System monitor; see if you have metacity
[10:58] <jeroen_> katie, the next version of amsn will have it
[10:58] <LinuxJones> imsdle, ahh
[10:58] <gverig> linukso: I don't think I want themes. What features are different?
[10:58] <katie> oh ok....
[10:59] <katie> how can you download java?
[10:59] <katie> on linux
[10:59] <imsdle> so now im stuck... :P
[10:59] <katie> it dont work for me...
[10:59] <brum> http://java.sun.com
[10:59] <jeroen_> katie, I have downloaded a test version (but it doesn't really work very well, because it's not finished yet) of amsn, and it has webcam support
[10:59] <linukso> imsdle: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[10:59] <gverig> jeroen_: Ohh... I understood what you meant after I found it :) `ps` would do ;)
[10:59] <LinuxJones> katie, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[10:59] <linukso> imsdle: follow the instructions...
[11:00] <imsdle> thanks guyus
[11:00] <imsdle> guys.. and gals.. you rock
[11:01] <katie> i cant find it...
[11:01] <katie> of that site someone gave me
[11:01] <gverig> jeroen_: And how do you change them?
[11:01] <jeroen_> I think it's somewhere in "session" not sure though
[11:01] <katie> oh i dunno....i give up lol :(
[11:02] <katie> but thanks guys..!!
[11:02] <linukso> gverig: unless you have a reason to swich wm, I wouldn't bother...
[11:02] <katie> right i must be off....thats again :) and sorry if i was pm'ing everyone with out asking...
[11:02] <danko123456> katie: dont giev up:) what are you tying to do?
[11:02] <jeroen_> bye!
[11:03] <katie> um
[11:03] <gverig> linukso: Well, I want to understand what I am working with
[11:03] <jeroen_> danko123456, java
[11:03] <katie> i was trying to download java
[11:03] <runedude> katie: apt-get install java
[11:03] <runedude> :)
[11:03] <monchy> sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[11:03] <jeroen_> runedude, negative
[11:03] <Th4tBa5t4rd> call me a n00b, but I just finished installing Ubuntu for the 3rd time in one week. But my separate partion for media files that i made is under /Media in Nautilus... right?
[11:03] <runedude> oh
[11:03] <runedude> ^.^
[11:03] <runedude> what monchy said
[11:03] <danko123456> katie, would you like a long command to install it?
[11:03] <Stinkywrix> how do I get my games to start without using the launcher? I'm using the latest version of Cedega and Point2Play
[11:03] <LinuxJones> gverig, you can select a different wm using gnome-wm check the man page for more details :)
[11:03] <katie> i dunno lol
[11:03] <katie> im confused already :(
[11:03] <gverig> linukso: Despite sounding like a complete newb I do have some exp and I want to have more
[11:04] <gverig> LinuxJones: Thanks!
[11:04] <LinuxJones> gverig, ;)
[11:04] <danko123456> katie, please go to java.sun.com and download a 1.5 JRE for linux, a .bin file.
[11:04] <Fator_Dee> Th4tBa5t4rd: well, if you made that partition, then ues
[11:05] <Th4tBa5t4rd> Fator_Dee> Thanks
[11:06] <katie> why does it say to register?
[11:06] <jeroen_> katie, because it's lame?
[11:06] <katie> why do you have to register to download something?
[11:06] <danko123456> it shouldnt, I dont think anyhow. Try the download links on the right.
[11:06] <katie> lol
[11:06] <katie> i did
[11:06] <jeroen_> katie, it wants your password, emailaddress, socail security number, etc I think
[11:06] <Fator_Dee> katie: are you trying to install java on your system?
[11:07] <Th4tBa5t4rd> now all i have to do is figure out how to install the stupid nvidia drivers and such and i will be happy for today
[11:07] <katie> yeah...
[11:07] <katie> and funny jeroen
[11:07] <jeroen_> Th4tBa5t4rd, it's in the wiki
[11:07] <danko123456> ok, katie, Ill get you a link for part of the way, the thing is they dont allow links all the way to the file you need.
[11:07] <jeroen_> katie, :)
[11:07] <Stinkywrix> its in the wiki
[11:07] <katie> lol
[11:07] <katie> ok thanks dankol
[11:08] <Th4tBa5t4rd> yeah, i tried that and couldn't figure it out...it won't make me quit this time though
[11:08] <gverig> LinuxJones: Maybe you can answer my previous questions then? Why would I want to change WM? What is the difference, other then different themes available)?
[11:08] <nalioth> katie: its smooth as butta (on a x86)
[11:08] <nalioth> gverig: different WMs use different amounts of CPU cycles
[11:08] <katie> whats smooth?
[11:09] <katie> my skin i know it is...heheh
[11:09] <nalioth> gverig: for instance, you wouldnt want to run kde on a pentium 233, but other WMs use less cpu
[11:09] <katie> lol'
[11:09] <danko123456> what you want us to know your skin is smooth?
[11:09] <nalioth> katie: installing java on x86 is smooth as butta (if ya follow the inst)
[11:09] <gverig> nalioth: OK. Why? I mean probably they do different things (different features). What is the difference?
[11:09] <Ubuntian> i like to know that
[11:09] <Stinkywrix> how do I get my games to start without using the launcher? I'm using the latest version of Cedega and Point2Play
[11:09] <nalioth> gverig: that is a question i'm not prepared to answer, as i only use KDE and gnome
[11:09] <katie> no not really nalioth lol
[11:10] <danko123456> katie: this is a link, http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp you need to hit the link  Download JRE 5.0 Update 3 the third in the list, then select accept, and hit the continue button. hit Linux self-extracting file       (jre-1_5_0_03-linux-i586.bin,        15.80 MB) in the next page, that is the fiel you need, tell me where you download, and tell me once it is downloaded.
[11:10] <abisen> what tools should i use to burn DVD's out of my avi and divx files
[11:10] <abisen> in ubuntu
[11:10] <nalioth> Stinkywrix: command line?
[11:10] <Stinkywrix> ...dur...
[11:10] <nalioth> abisen: i use k3b. gnomebaker and graveman are also burning tools
[11:10] <jeroen_> gverig, they don't have to do different things, you know, like there are multiple chat apps and browsers
[11:10] <katie> oh ok...
[11:10] <gverig> nalioth: But what you said means either that KDE is bad-written (or bad-designed) or it has wider functionality (or both)...
[11:11] <Fator_Dee> abisen: I's suggest mkdvd http://fredrik.hubbe.net/hacks/mkdvd.html
[11:11] <linukso> gverig: wm are as diffent as cars: looks, handling, performance, image, everything
[11:11] <abisen> nalioth, than ks
[11:11] <jeroen_> gverig, kde has all sorts of fancy effects
[11:11] <abisen> Fator_Dee, mkdvd lemme check it out
[11:11] <nalioth> gverig: i'm not saying that at all. KDE is very cpu intensive (in its default form) just like winXP (to run the eye candy)
[11:12] <Chain> ugh.. the perl.so didnt work
[11:12] <Chain> AutoLoad failed for: /usr/lib/xchat/plugins/perl.so
[11:12] <Chain>  libperl.so.5.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:12] <Chain> I get that error message
[11:12] <Chain> *shoots computer*
[11:12] <jeroen_> :(
[11:12] <goldfish> use irssi :)
[11:12] <Chain> irssi?
[11:12] <katie> do i save it?
[11:12] <goldfish> Chain: yeah, it's an irc client
[11:12] <danko123456> yes, please katie.
[11:12] <nalioth> Chain: a terminal irc client
[11:13] <jeroen_> Chain, choose "completely remove" in synaptic, then install again
[11:13] <gverig> (all): Cool! So there are functional differences, not just themes and authors. Then we are back to the original question - where can I get comparison information, like a matrix of which features are lacking?
[11:13] <Th4tBa5t4rd> not that i am going to do it right now. but is it possible to run either blackbox or bluebox on ubuntu?
[11:13] <jeroen_> Th4tBa5t4rd, if it's in the repositories, it'll be easy
[11:13] <katie> how long does it take to download?
[11:13] <linukso> Th4tBa5t4rd: yes, no prob.
[11:13] <nalioth> Fator_Dee: i love you, man (been lookin for somethin to convert my avi, divx etc to dvd)
[11:13] <nalioth> Th4tBa5t4rd: yes
[11:13] <jeroen_> katie, depends on file size and connection speed
[11:14] <katie> oh
[11:14] <Chain> jeroen- synaptic?
[11:14] <Th4tBa5t4rd> i <3 blackbox for windows. so i figure it'll be better for *nix once i get the hang of things
[11:14] <danko123456> jeroen_: thanks.
[11:14] <katie> well this will be fun.........
[11:14] <jeroen_> Chain, ?
[11:14] <Chain> what is that?
[11:14] <linukso> Th4tBa5t4rd: you might consider openbox or fluxbox. Very similar to blackbox, but a bit more modern
[11:14] <danko123456> katie: I sure hope so:) dial up? it is not a bigt file if you chiose the right one.
[11:14] <katie> i think it downloaded....lol
[11:14] <goldfish> Th4tBa5t4rd: you do? it crashed all the time for me....
[11:15] <nalioth> katie: *nix is always fun (never a downer like windoze)
[11:15] <danko123456> !terminal
[11:15] <ubotu> danko123456: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[11:15] <goldfish> Th4tBa5t4rd: Fluxbox is fab!
[11:15] <jwsh> So I'm trying to install Ubuntu 5.04 on an AMD64 with SATA disks, and it says that it finds no disks to partition. anyone have any suggestions?
[11:15] <danko123456> katie: open a terminal, please, know how?
[11:15] <Th4tBa5t4rd> BB4Win never crashed on me...took a while to setup everything the way i liked though
[11:15] <jeroen_> whoever 'owns' ubotu, where can we add new stuff to it?
[11:15] <katie> open what terminal?
[11:15] <Th4tBa5t4rd> i will look into fluxbox
[11:15] <GhostFreeman> ok something is wrong with my desktop
[11:15] <katie> the box thingy closed on its own...
[11:16] <linukso> katie: press Ctrl-F2, and type gnome-terminal
[11:16] <danko123456> ok, Applications>System Tools>Terminal, in gnome, kde, not sure, prolly that k start menu, then find a terminal, gnome-terminal, or xterm in tehre.
[11:16] <jeroen_> linukso, you mean alt?
[11:16] <monchy> called konsole in kde
[11:16] <GhostFreeman> All I did was drag a link for my home folder on it and now its not showing any icons, and my CPU is maxed
[11:16] <IFRFLYR> Hi folks. Got a problem with my notebook - I've noticed that it's kicking on its fan more and more frequently - setup hasn't changed and gkrellm shows no higher-than-normal cpu activity and temps ranging from THR0 42(c) and THR143(c).
[11:16] <linukso> jeroen_: of cause!
[11:16] <katie> nothing came up....just went to the desktop lol....
[11:16] <linukso> silly me
[11:16] <Fator_Dee> nalioth: thank the guy who made that awesome script, not me :-)
[11:17] <nalioth> Fator_Dee: well thank you for pointing to it (now i can get rid of all the pR0n, er movies takin up space)
[11:17] <iceman> anyone know minimum system spec's for ubuntu on a mac ...
[11:17] <katie> big brother is on TV!! lol
[11:17] <katie> sorry random..
[11:17] <gverig> nalioth: You are not a geek if you HAVE a panel.
[11:17] <katie> so what now...?
[11:17] <IFRFLYR> btw it's a Compaq Presario 4020US Centrino notebook
[11:17] <nalioth> iceman: what mac are you thinking of?
[11:17] <gverig> nalioth: :)
[11:18] <danko123456> katie: if you can open a konsole in your computer, that would be great. It is that comman line window, where you can type  in commands.
[11:18] <iceman> looking to buy one .... but what to get ... "CHEAP"
[11:18] <nalioth> gverig: havent lernt all the keyboard commands yet
[11:18] <katie> oh 'run command'?
[11:18] <jeroen_> katie, that's not what he means
[11:18] <nalioth> iceman: i have a G3/600mhz dual-usb ibook2
[11:18] <katie> oh
[11:18] <nalioth> iceman: there are others in here with 300mhz macs
[11:19] <katie> well i dunno :(
[11:19] <gverig> iceman: There is a nice "hot deals" forum on anandtech.
[11:19] <johan_> what is the source repository for ubuntu
[11:19] <nalioth> iceman: how much are you lookin to spend/
[11:19] <danko123456> run command cshould be fine, I guess, if you cant find nothing else.
[11:19] <iceman> nalioth 300 mhz mac's ... whats preformance like
[11:19] <johan_> is there one
[11:19] <GhostFreeman> Anyone here know what the hell is wrong with my desktop?
[11:19] <nalioth> gverig: and on the apple sales page on the red sale tag
[11:19] <katie> why what do i run on it?
[11:19] <linukso> GhostFreeman: nope
[11:19] <gverig> iceman: For instance, there was a coupon for $850 off any dell laptop 1500+
[11:19] <katie> or type in it?
[11:19] <jeroen_> GhostFreeman, try to see if a service is going mad
[11:19] <nalioth> iceman: stable, but slow
[11:19] <GhostFreeman> X is going mad
[11:20] <nalioth> iceman: depends on how much ram a got
[11:20] <iceman>  Apple PowerBook G3 400Mhz 400 Mhz
[11:20] <jeroen_> GhostFreeman, I mean a process
[11:20] <iceman> that work ok
[11:20] <jeroen_> GhostFreeman, kill it then: ctrl-alt-backspace
[11:20] <nalioth> iceman: that'll work nicely. max out your ram, tho
[11:20] <GhostFreeman> I tried that
[11:20] <danko123456> katie: you need to copy and paste exactly every command I give you from now on. As a habbit, I suggest you wait till you see if there are any comments from other people as to whether something someone on IRC advises is a good idea to do to your somputer.
[11:20] <Fanskapet> hmm anyone know if Ubuntu has a good app for changing between window managers at startup of xorg?
[11:20] <linukso> Fanskapet: gdm -> session
[11:20] <katie> lol
[11:20] <danko123456> click on session on the login screen?
[11:20] <nalioth> Fanskapet: the choice at the login screen isnt working?
[11:21] <jon_> Hi
[11:21] <iceman> nalioth i have not used a mac in year and year
[11:21] <katie> i was just on my way out though....i will be back later if any of you are in...
[11:21] <abisen> i cannot burn my video files using gnomebaker as a DVD movie or VCD
[11:21] <Fanskapet> nalioth searched around in the session options but i didn't find a way too add a new window manager to the list
[11:21] <danko123456> btw, what is your user name, katie?
[11:21] <Fanskapet> I want to be able to select between XFCE4 and Gnome
[11:21] <katie> what you mean? its katie
[11:21] <nalioth> Fanskapet: ah, you didnt ask that
[11:21] <jon_> Who here wants to stop a Ubuntu user from switching back to Gentoo ?
[11:21] <jon_> I need help compiling something.
[11:21] <iceman> nalioth it has 128 meg ram in it
[11:21] <katie> i just log in whatever room i want on here
[11:21] <jeroen_> danko123456, it's katie ofcourse; that's what xchat takes
[11:21] <abisen> i guess i can do that in k3b but i dont want to install kde on my clean ubuntu !! will the installation of kbuntu-desktop pollute my gnome menus and other related stuff
[11:22] <katie> i dont have a password or nothing
[11:22] <flodine> is the new xface out on ubuntu
[11:22] <jon_> It's being a pain in the ass to compile shit in Ubuntu.
[11:22] <katie> lol
[11:22] <jon_> The Gentoo guys sent me here.
[11:22] <iceman> nalioth $260.00 right now on ebay
[11:22] <jon_> Cause I wasn't using Gentoo.
[11:22] <danko123456> katie: cool, this is what it is, ok? you have the sun's java .bin file. You need to proceed with the installation of Java, when you get back,
[11:22] <Jurku> jon_: what's the matter?
[11:22] <jwsh> Anyone have any idea how to get ubuntu to install on my Athlon64 with SATA disks? It says there are no disks to partition...
[11:22] <katie> oh ok...
[11:22] <nalioth> Fanskapet: open /usr/share/xsessions as root, open one of the existing .desktop files and edit it for your new WM
[11:22] <katie> well i shouldnt take long...!! lol
[11:22] <jon_> Don't use Ubuntu.
[11:22] <jon_> Use Gentoo
[11:22] <jeroen_> nalioth, don't
[11:22] <nalioth> Fanskapet: some WMs have the script in their installer to add a .desktop, and some don't
[11:23] <katie> right...i must be off
[11:23] <katie> thanks again!!
[11:23] <danko123456> k, see ya. katie.
[11:23] <nalioth> jeroen_: don't what?
[11:23] <katie> bye everyone!!!
[11:23] <danko123456> nice to meet you:)
[11:23] <Jurku> jon_: I'm an ex-gentoo user :)
[11:23] <katie> you to :)
[11:23] <nalioth> iceman: go for it
[11:23] <jon_> I am trying to compile edb
[11:23] <katie> bye bye lovely people! :) xx
[11:23] <jon_> THe first step to compiling E17
[11:23] <jon_> because I want to compile Engage as standalone AND as an e17 module.
[11:23] <jon_> so
[11:23] <jon_> I get this erro.
[11:23] <jon_> error*
[11:24] <iceman> Product Family:  iBook G3    Operating System:  Mac OS X
[11:24] <iceman>  Processor Speed:  500 MHz    Screen Size:  12 inches
[11:24] <iceman>  Hard Drive Capacity:  18.6 GB    Condition:  --
[11:24] <iceman>  Memory (RAM):  320 MB
[11:24] <jon_> I can live without Cedega
[11:24] <iceman> even better
[11:24] <jon_> But I can't without e17
[11:24] <Jurku> ;-)
[11:24] <jon_> checking zlib.h usability... no
[11:24] <jon_> checking zlib.h presence... no
[11:24] <jon_> checking for zlib.h... no
[11:24] <jon_> configure: error: "Cannot find zlib.h. Make sure your CFLAGS environment variable contains include lines for the location of this file"
[11:24] <jon_> jon@ubuntu:~/e17/libs/edb$
[11:24] <jon_> Binaries run MUCH faster in Gentoo than Ubuntu.
[11:24] <jon_> but
[11:24] <jon_> . . .
[11:24] <danko123456> jon_: well, that error seems easy to fix.
[11:24] <jon_> I don't have an AMD64
[11:24] <jon_> oh
[11:24] <jon_> I thought so.
[11:24] <linukso> jon_: sudo aptitude install zlib-dev
[11:24] <jon_> I just don't know shit about variables
[11:24] <jon_> hmm
[11:24] <jon_> but if you look
[11:25] <linukso> jon_: have you ever used gentoo
[11:25] <jon_> jon@ubuntu:~/e17/libs/edb$ locate zlib.h
[11:25] <jon_> jon@ubuntu:~/e17/libs/edb$
[11:25] <Jurku> jon_: just install the zlib dev package
[11:25] <linukso> jon_: to link against zlib, you need the header files...
[11:25] <jon_> I do.
[11:26] <jon_> jon@ubuntu:~/e17/libs/edb$ locate zlib.h
[11:26] <jon_> usr/include/linux/zlib.h
[11:26] <linukso> jon_: have you ever tried gentoo, since you know that it runs MUCH faster?
[11:26] <jon_> I have
[11:26] <jon_> I used it for a while.
[11:26] <jon_> I"m using Ubuntu
[11:26] <jon_> because I hd some issue with the police
[11:26] <jon_> (and I'm probably going to sue them)
[11:26] <jon_> & needed a box going in 20 minutes.
[11:27] <nalioth> nice flood
[11:27] <nalioth> jon_: next time use #flood
[11:27] <jon_> What's that ?
[11:27] <johan_> can you set sources to update with ubuntu
[11:27] <danko123456> sudo export CFLAGS='#include usr/include/linux/zlib.h' may help, whachu think guys?
[11:27] <jon_> I'm new but I learn fast.
[11:27] <jon_> Thank you danko
[11:28] <danko123456> welcome, may not be it, tho.
[11:28] <gamayun> Hmm... Apparently the installation gave me one hostname, and wrote another in /etc/hosts, and since it didn't give a rootpassword - I cant change it!? Any suggestions?
[11:28] <jon_> I had to su
[11:28] <danko123456> jon, as well.
[11:28] <danko123456> !sources.list
[11:28] <ubotu> danko123456: I give up, what is it?
[11:28] <jon_> Thank you danko
[11:28] <Fanskapet> ahh danko
[11:28] <jon_> Danko do you use Skype or aim ?
[11:29] <nalioth> gamayun: there is no root pwd
[11:29] <nalioth> gamayun: ubuntu uses "sudo"
[11:29] <Fanskapet> that reminds me of an old C64 music composer :)
[11:29] <jon_> It uses root.
[11:29] <jon_> sudo passwd root
[11:29] <jon_> There you have root.
[11:29] <jon_> :-P
[11:29] <gamayun> exactly...
[11:29] <gamayun> but it doesn't work since my hostname is messed
[11:29] <jon_> Hey Danko
[11:29] <jon_> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[11:29] <jon_> See `config.log' for more details.
[11:30] <jon_> THat's what I get now, before the other error has a chance.
[11:30] <jon_> hah
[11:30] <jon_> man
[11:30] <jon_> :(
[11:30] <danko123456> jon_: sorry for the delay, um, update your sources.list and install edb from aptitude www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list is a good example that allows you to install edb through aptitude.
[11:30] <linukso> jon_: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[11:30] <jon_> Thank you
[11:30] <jon_> is that edb up to date ?
[11:30] <danko123456> jon_: you tell me:)
[11:30] <danko123456> Never used it.
[11:31] <danko123456> !info edb
[11:31] <shiv> I need some help with script
[11:31] <shiv> anybody?
[11:31] <flodine> heheh just order a 24 inch flat hehehehe
[11:31] <goldfish> flodine: how much?
[11:31] <johan_> how do you set source-list in ubuntu
[11:32] <goldfish> shiv: what's up?
[11:32] <danko123456> shiv: you must state what the issue is, if we know we will tell you, and if the question stays on the screen long enough it may get answered.
[11:32] <flodine> $900
[11:32] <shiv> see #flood
[11:32] <linukso> johan_: with synaptic (or sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list)
[11:32] <shiv> I am trying to resolve my resolution
[11:32] <johan_> i did state the issue
[11:32] <nalioth> shiv: the psychics are all away atm.
[11:32] <shiv> I read the guide on ubuntuforums
[11:33] <flodine> goldfish its dells new 24 ih monitor sweet
[11:33] <nalioth> johan_: you use a txt editor
[11:33] <shiv> all works great except the last thing
[11:33] <nalioth> johan_: or you can use synaptics builtin thing
[11:33] <johan_> what file do i edit and where do i get ftp source
[11:34] <fabio> hello all
[11:34] <linukso> johan_: /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:34] <johan_> thanks
[11:35] <nalioth> Fator_Dee: know anything about cdrecord-prodvd for ppc? (again i'm left out)
[11:35] <linukso> shinu: aren't you missing a "/"?
[11:35] <linukso> shinu: sorry, wrong address
[11:35] <jon_> Hey Danko
[11:35] <jon_> Could you send me that address again ?
[11:35] <shinu> :D
[11:35] <jon_> I'm juggling conversations between people here I'm sorry.
[11:36] <goldfish> flodine: cool
[11:36] <goldfish> flodine: wish i could afford one :)
[11:37] <goldfish> flodine: http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/laptops-pcs/the-l-grand-canyon-008857.php <- i want one of those
[11:37] <johan_> is fluxbox in the sources
[11:37] <flodine> goldfish got a flat 19 inch for 300
[11:37] <goldfish> cool
[11:37] <nalioth> johan_: yes
[11:37] <goldfish> johan_: yes
[11:37] <flodine> dont need it
[11:37] <johan_> great thanks
[11:38] <goldfish> johan_: the new version is out though
[11:38] <goldfish> u'll have to build it from source afaik
[11:38] <johan_> Setting up fluxbox (0.9.11-1) ...
[11:38] <owen> question: anyone know how to get Xlib.h on Breezy?
[11:38] <johan_> thats what i got from source
[11:38] <goldfish> johan_: 0.9.13 is out.
[11:38] <owen> I tried several different packages, no dice.
[11:39] <Jurku> owen: you tried xlibs-dev?
[11:39] <nalioth> owen: ya tried building it?
[11:39] <Sero> I can't get the sound to work on my box.
[11:40] <iratsu> why does sudo ask for a password?
[11:41] <nalioth> iratsu: thats it primary function
[11:41] <goldfish> iratsu: because it allows you to run commands with root priveleges
[11:41] <owen> Jurku, installed. For whatever reason, executing cc blah.c -L/usr/X11R6/include -lX11 doesn't work. It says it can't find X11/Xlib.h -- but guess what is at /usr/X11R6/include/X11 ...;-)
[11:41] <Jurku> owen: include that then...
[11:41] <danko123456> johan_: cant you scroll up? ok, www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list
[11:41] <owen> nalioth, build xorg? no thanks ;-)  honestly though, haven't tried yet, but willing to :-)\
[11:41] <iratsu> goldfish: i don't think that answers my question...
[11:42] <owen> iratsu:
[11:42] <owen> ubuntu uses sudo, AFAIK, to prevent you from running commands as root in an unsafe fashion
[11:42] <iratsu> owen: yes, but that's not what i'm asking
[11:43] <owen> for instance, in a root terminal, or (even worse) logged on GDM as root.
[11:43] <iratsu> owen: i'm asking why it asks for a password
[11:43] <johan_> what do you mean danko123456
[11:43] <owen> If it didn't ask for a password, it would just run the commands automatically.
[11:43] <linukso> iratsu: because that is the way sudo is set up by default
[11:43] <nalioth> owen: not sure where xlib.h lives
[11:43] <linukso> iratsu: but you can change it if you want to...
[11:43] <dooglus> iratsu: sudo asks for a password because that is how it is configured.
[11:43] <Jurku> owen: and, I think you need -I/usr/X11R6/include, not -L/usr/X11R6/include
[11:43] <linukso> iratsu: run sudo visudo
[11:44] <dooglus> iratsu: if you don't like it, you can configure it not to ask for a password
[11:44] <iratsu> ok
[11:44] <owen> iratsu, by not asking for a password, it provides no protection from you accidently running a root command -- that is why it asks for a password
[11:44] <nalioth> iratsu: or protection from your little sister or g/f gettin onboard
[11:44] <danko123456> johan_: I mean the link was still in the chatroom, unless you had closed the window at some point.
[11:44] <iratsu> owen: but it only asks for one the first time i run sudo
[11:44] <owen> Jurku, oops ;-)
[11:44] <dooglus> I think the point is that if you go for a dump, your room mate can't come along and run 'sudo' using your account
[11:44] <owen> iratsu, it caches the password for 5 minutes, i think
[11:44] <danko123456> johan_: wrong person:)
[11:45] <dooglus> iratsu: yeah - what owen said.  it remembers the password for 5 minutes
[11:45] <iratsu> dooglus: ooh, ok i get it
[11:45] <danko123456> jon_:  cant you scroll up? ok, www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list .
[11:45] <iratsu> ok, thanks
[11:46] <owen> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11
[11:46] <owen> :-(
[11:46] <owen> Jurku, I changed that L to an I ;-)
[11:47] <Xylene|Laptop> is there a way i can get a 2.4 kernel from apt for use in ubuntu?
[11:47] <dooglus> owen: ls /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.*
[11:48] <dooglus> owen: do you see anything?
[11:48] <owen> dooglus, some valid symlinks to libx11.so, and libx11.a
[11:48] <jon_> Hey Danko do you have Skype ?
[11:48] <Jurku> owen: add -L/usr/X11R6/lib
[11:49] <p88> hi all
[11:49] <p88> is there an ncurses based sftp client?
[11:49] <danko123456> jon_: yeah, somewhere.
[11:49] <dooglus> owen: so, you have the X11 library
[11:49] <dooglus> owen: isn't it a capital X though?
[11:50] <johan_> what is needed if i want totem to play mp3
[11:50] <owen> Jurku, LD bombs after a page of undefined references
[11:50] <owen> dooglus, Yeah, my bad, it is in the ls
[11:50] <jon_> What's your Skype name ?
[11:50] <jon_> Mine is
[11:50] <owen> *is capital
[11:50] <jon_> im_jon_i_sleep_too_fucking_much
[11:51] <Xylene|Laptop> is there a way i can get a 2.4 kernel from apt for use in ubuntu?
[11:51] <Jurku> owen: what are you trying to compile?
[11:51] <Jurku> owen: can you show me the file?
[11:52] <jon_> edb
[11:52] <jon_> :)
[11:52] <owen> Jurku, actually, a dumb game from IOCCC ;-) http://www1.us.ioccc.org/2004/vik1.c (it may not help you too much!)
[11:52] <owen> Jurku, it fails on any X compile
[11:52] <owen> I know breezy moved X around in many different ways... :-)\
[11:52] <owen> so I don't know if this is just fallout.
[11:52] <danko123456> jon_: got it?
[11:53] <nxv_> hi, can someone help me setting up wpa
[11:53] <Xylene|Laptop> is there a way i can get a 2.4 kernel from apt for use in ubuntu?
[11:53] <nxv_> i had it running under gentoo and copied the wpa_supplicant.conf from my old installation
[11:53] <p88> is there?
[11:53] <p88> an ncurses based sftp client?
[11:53] <dooglus> owen: are you running './configure' to get the Makefile made right?
[11:53] <Jurku> owen: compiled perfectly :)
[11:53] <p88> I have googled but all I get is ftp client and sftp server
[11:54] <nxv_> wpa starts but wpa_cli status doesn't show connection nor even founds bssid
[11:54] <dooglus> owen: "confugire" looks around your system and finds out where everything is, what you have and what you don't, and writes Makefiles and config.h files accordingly
[11:54] <p88> seems there isn't
[11:54] <Jurku> that doesn't need configure
[11:54] <dooglus> owen: but if you're running breezy then we're not supposed to help you anyway.  the topic says not to use it - if you can't run it without asking for help then I don't think you're supposed to be running it.
[11:55] <owen> dooglus, just typing in the options in the command line. configure on all my other X apps fails for the same reason -- can't find the Xlib.h. I went so far as to make new autoconf'd configure scripts that bypass the X check ;-)
[11:56] <dooglus> owen: gcc vik1.c -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11
[11:56] <dooglus> owen: does that work?
[11:56] <owen> dooglus, that's fine. you run hoary?
[11:57] <dooglus> I'm whory, yes.
[11:57] <danko123456> oooh...:-*
[11:58] <nalioth> p88 i believe there is, let me dig a minute
[11:58] <Xylene|Laptop> is there a way i can get a 2.4 kernel from apt for use in ubuntu?
[11:58] <nalioth> p88 was rather experimental
[11:58] <owen> dooglus, No dice. I'm not really that worried about it -- the X paths have been in a state of flux for a while, so no biggy.
[11:58] <dooglus> owen: I see above someone was suggesting you should put an include path after -L - you don't want to listen to that kind of advice...  -L is for libraries, not header files.
[11:58] <owen> Xylene|Laptop, I don't think so. You probably have to build it from source?
[11:59] <dooglus> owen: what does it tell you, when you run the command I pasted?
[11:59] <Xylene|Laptop> damn, i don't know how to go about doing that in ubuntu, i am a gentoo user, heh
[11:59] <Xylene|Laptop> so i have no idea how to set what modules to load and ect..
[11:59] <owen> dooglus, same wonderful message -- X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory!
[11:59] <Jurku> dooglus: who adviced that?
[11:59] <owen> Xylene|Laptop, no biggie... 1 second I will give you a link.
[11:59] <Xylene|Laptop> ok, thanks'
[12:00] <katie> hi people!
[12:00] <dooglus> Jurku: I see...  he's mixing up -I and -L and includes and libs