[12:01] <gdh> mind, there will have to be some kind of electrical connection throughout...
[12:01] <gdh> inverters or not..
[12:01] <philipacamaniac> I was really glad I had one during last night's power outage: http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/dailystar/78134.php
[12:02] <philipacamaniac> (power outage caused by that anyway)
[12:03] <Firetech> I think I'll be shutting down now...
[12:04] <philipacamaniac> see ya, FT
[12:04] <philipacamaniac> i'm off as well, adios!
[12:09] <Firetech> I don't want to shutdown the server... We have a replacement if it would be fried...
[12:10] <nxv_> can somebody help me to find the problem in my wpa setup
[12:11] <nxv_> my wlan interface is up, as iwconfig lists it
[12:11] <nxv_> wpa starts, and wpa config should run, as it is the same  i used under gentoo
[12:11] <nxv_> where should i look next
[12:12] <_Church_of_Foamy> anyone kow why i can't send files through konverstation or kopete?
[12:12] <nakata> you can, and you can
[12:12] <_Church_of_Foamy> no matter what i do i can't get them to send
[12:12] <nmorse> can you send them through X-Chat?
[12:12] <_Church_of_Foamy> nope they time out
[12:12] <Funzo> nxv_ does it not let you connect to the wireless?
[12:12] <nakata> //dcc send <me> /home/cof/pron/furry/nmorse.jpg
[12:12] <nakata> oh
[12:12] <nakata> your firewall/router/gateway
[12:13] <nmorse> why I am in /pron/furry?
[12:13] <_Church_of_Foamy> i have a router but i can't see how that would be the problem
[12:13] <_Church_of_Foamy> and there is no firewall that i know of
[12:14] <_Church_of_Foamy> unless kubuntu has one built in
[12:14] <nmorse> Most routers have a firewall built in, it's why I can't send files
[12:14] <_Church_of_Foamy> naw i got a cheapy it only has nat
[12:14] <_Church_of_Foamy> it's a dlink di-604
[12:14] <nmorse> I have probably the cheapest Wal-Mart router ever and it has a firewall in it
[12:15] <_Church_of_Foamy> nice
[12:15] <gdh> If it does NAT then it's instantly also a firewall / router :)
[12:15] <_Church_of_Foamy> oh ok
[12:15] <nmorse> Not really, I hate the firewall and it doesn't stop virii and spyware from reaching the one Win box
[12:15] <_Church_of_Foamy> are there sertain ports that i need to open?
[12:16] <gdh> _Church_of_Foamy: For DCC to work, you need two things.... 
[12:16] <_Church_of_Foamy> ok
[12:16] <_Church_of_Foamy> they are lol
[12:16] <gdh> _Church_of_Foamy: You need to tell your IRC program a range of ports to use, and then you need to forward only those ports to the IP on the LAN of your desktop
[12:16] <_Church_of_Foamy> so it dosen't do that by default
[12:17] <_Church_of_Foamy> i have to tell both the program and my router what to do?
[12:17] <gdh> nono by default your router will forward no ports.
[12:17] <_Church_of_Foamy> ??
[12:17] <gdh> in order for /you/ to DCC SEND to someone else, you need to do those two things...
[12:17] <gdh> if other people are DCC SENDing to you, you don't need to change anything...
[12:18] <_Church_of_Foamy> what if i just stick my box in the dmz?
[12:18] <gdh> _Church_of_Foamy: that's a cheap hack, but it will work :)
[12:18] <gdh> esp. if the machine is Linux the security implications are vastly reduced anyway...
[12:18] <_Church_of_Foamy> so if i put my box in the dmz i don't have much to worry about?
[12:19] <gdh> Yeh, every incoming packet directed at your cable/dsl public IP will immediately be forwarded to your PC
[12:19] <_Church_of_Foamy> will that be a problem with 2 computers on the same network?
[12:20] <_Church_of_Foamy> one is a windoze box and the other my kubuntu
[12:20] <nmorse> I really should just put my dadgum FreeBSD server in the DMZ
[12:20] <gdh> _Church_of_Foamy: As long as you don't need to run public services on windows, there's no problem.
[12:21] <gdh> and if you have a Linux machine, there's no reason to use Windows for that :)
[12:21] <_Church_of_Foamy> yea doing thats like asking for people to hack you win box lol
[12:21] <_Church_of_Foamy> now when i forward the ip do i use my ip before the router or the one thats assighned to my box?
[12:22] <gdh> do you use it where?
[12:22] <_Church_of_Foamy> in the routers dmz settings
[12:22] <gdh> the LAN address
[12:22] <_Church_of_Foamy> ok
[12:22] <gdh> since the router is the public address :)
[12:22] <_Church_of_Foamy> ahhhhh i see
[12:22] <_Church_of_Foamy> my router seems to have problems with port forwarding and stuff
[12:23] <_Church_of_Foamy> even the dmz only works some of the time
[12:25] <_Church_of_Foamy> i had a belkin router for a few days and it was the most awsome router i ever owned
[12:25] <_Church_of_Foamy> after i bought it my house got struck by lightning and fried everything
[12:25] <_Church_of_Foamy> computers and network :(
[12:26] <gdh> ouch
[12:26] <gdh> I'm so glad we live in a temperate zone :)
[12:26] <gdh> winter is 'cooler' , summer is 'warmer'... and rain all the time whatever...
[12:26] <_Church_of_Foamy> the belkin router had 2 circut boards in it one for router and one for the firewall
[12:26] <_Church_of_Foamy> and it ran like a dream
[12:26] <_Church_of_Foamy> yea i want to move someware america sucks
[12:27] <_Church_of_Foamy> thinking ireland or eingland
[12:28] <_Church_of_Foamy> what is this google coding thing/contest? thats going on?
[12:28] <nmorse> Google Summer of Code
[12:28] <gdh> google are giving money to programmers for writing 'worthwhile code'
[12:28] <nmorse> Basically code bounties for college students
[12:28] <_Church_of_Foamy> lol
[12:28] <gdh> Do any PHP projects qualify or are they considered too lame?
[12:28] <_Church_of_Foamy> what type of code?
[12:29] <_Church_of_Foamy> for linux or micro boxes?
[12:29] <nmorse> PHP project would have to be for a mentor organization
[12:29] <gdh> 'micro boxes' ?
[12:29] <nmorse> check out code.google.com
[12:29] <_Church_of_Foamy> microsoft
[12:29] <gdh> ahh
[12:29] <_Church_of_Foamy> you know winsux haxp
[12:29] <gdh> just open source projects
[12:29] <_Church_of_Foamy> oh ok cool
[12:30] <gdh> so ideally if the code applies to linux and windows, that's even better
[12:30] <nmorse> Like with the Python Foundation
[12:32] <othernoob> nmorse, do you have openoffice ?
[12:33] <nmorse> Yeah
[12:33] <othernoob> uhm, could you tell me where i can change the language of the interface ?
[12:34] <othernoob> i just installed a polish OO..and i have no idea where to change it
[12:35] <othernoob> mmh, when i think about it, its probably czech..
[12:36] <nmorse> No idea, othernoob
[12:36] <nmorse> I just leave it on English myself
[12:37] <othernoob> well, id take english or german, but the deb file was czech :/
[12:37] <_Church_of_Foamy> why the hell is my boxes internet so slow?
[12:38] <_Church_of_Foamy> i have 3meg internet
[12:38] <_Church_of_Foamy> my windoze box just zipps along and this one is kinda slow
[12:39] <_Church_of_Foamy> are there settings i need to tweak or someting?
[12:39] <sirukin> afk| watching dvd
[12:41] <_Church_of_Foamy> yea it's weard internet is slow and data transfers are slow on here
[12:45] <_Church_of_Foamy> anyone have any idea why my hd would be caching out?
[12:46] <gdh> _Church_of_Foamy: you could try reducing the MTU value of the ethernet device you use to access the internet with.. 
[12:46] <gdh> _Church_of_Foamy: probably "ifconfig eth0 mtu 1400" or so
[12:46] <gdh> no idea what 'caching out' means
[12:46] <_Church_of_Foamy> oh ok
[12:47] <_Church_of_Foamy> it's when your hard drive wrights info more than it should slowing down your system
[12:47] <gdh> sounds more like the swap partition is being used due to lack of RAM?
[12:47] <_Church_of_Foamy> i only have 256mb of ram could that be it?
[12:48] <_Church_of_Foamy> it diden't seem to happen so much when i did the fresh install
[12:48] <uniq> hmm anyone know if it's possible to kill the "ghost cursor" in inactive konsoles.. like on this shot: http://frode.kde.no/dull/ghostcursor/shotgc.png ? 
[12:48] <_Church_of_Foamy> it must need more or something when you install more programs
[12:48] <gdh> that's one hell of a big PNG, uniq
[12:49] <gdh> you mean the outline rather than a solid rectangle?
[12:49] <uniq> yes.
[12:49] <uniq> remove it completely from the inactive konsole.
[12:50] <gdh> Doesn't look likely... def. a use-the-source thing...
[12:50] <gdh> oh, I like your locate:/ KIOslave :)
[12:51] <uniq> nice, one of my first packages.. probably not close to lintian-clean.
[12:51] <uniq> I've been thinking about redoing it some day.
[12:51] <gdh> prob not :) <shrug> =)
[12:51] <gdh> any plans for a 'google desktop search' style-thing?
[12:52] <gdh> i.e. find by content not just path/filename
[12:52] <nmorse> Like grep?
[12:52] <uniq> there are a few projects doing that already i think.
[12:52] <uniq> haven't tested one yet though.
[12:52] <uniq> kat is one of them.
[12:53] <gdh> :)
[12:57] <Ghetek> how do i add "ftp://ftp.oregonstate.edu/pub/kde/stable/3.4.1/kubuntu/" to my repositories?
[12:58] <Ghetek> oh...
[12:58] <Ghetek> "deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main"
[12:58] <Ghetek> even better
[12:58] <gdh> hehe
[12:58] <gdh> got there before I could paste :)
[12:58] <uniq> ghetek: would be better if you use a mirror though :)
[12:59] <Firetech> uniq: kubuntu.org is a mirror, a fast one
[12:59] <uniq> just add "deb ftp://ftp.oregonstate.edu/pub/kde/stable/3.4.1/kubuntu/ ./" 
[12:59] <Firetech> ftp.kde.org should not be used, though...
[01:00] <gdh> Aye, I get 25Mbit/sec to kubuntu.org in London :)
[01:00] <Firetech> Ghetek: if you're in the US, you might be better with the oregonstate mirror.
[01:00] <Ghetek> i am
[01:00] <uniq> you can choose from all the download.kde.org mirrors.
[01:00] <Ghetek> im in california
[01:01] <nakata> pretty close
[01:01] <nmorse> Yeah, try finding an Oklahoma mirror
[01:01] <Ghetek> 99% [Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (216.165.129.138)]  has taken over 5 min now
[01:01] <Firetech> but it should be "deb [mirror-address]  hoary-updates main" for any mirror, I think...
[01:02] <Ghetek> Unable to fetch file, server said '/pub/kde/stable/3.4.1/kubuntu/./Packages.gz: No such file or directory
[01:02] <Firetech> every mirror I tried, during the update, had that syntax
[01:02] <Firetech> Ghetek: exchange "./" with "hoary-updates"
[01:03] <uniq> ghetek: sorry.. my bad.
[01:03] <uniq> 'deb ftp://ftp.oregonstate.edu/pub/kde/stable/3.4.1/kubuntu/ hoary-updates main'
[01:03] <uniq> should do it.
[01:04] <Ghetek> ok
[01:04] <Ghetek> but that damn us.archive.kubuntu.com is taking forever
[01:05] <Ghetek> us.archive.ubuntu.com
[01:05] <Firetech> Ghetek:  remove "us."
[01:05] <Ghetek> ok
[01:05] <Firetech> and then try again
[01:05] <Firetech> the us mirror might be down
[01:05] <jkeel> on my fresh Kubuntu install windows don't maximize correctly...several pixels off the top aren't visible. Anybody else have the same problem?
[01:05] <Firetech> remember to change it back later, so that you don't waste time loading from a slower mirror...
[01:06] <Ghetek> ok
[01:06] <Ghetek> and then for a newer kde i do a dist-upgrade?
[01:06] <Firetech> I think the "real" archive is situated on the isle of man...
[01:07] <Ghetek> ...
[01:07] <nmorse> the Isle of Man? Couldn't be Hawaii, with the Internet2,no
[01:07] <Ghetek> yay!
[01:08] <jkeel> what's the best way to get KDE 3.4.1?
[01:08] <Ghetek> edit your repositories...
[01:08] <treke-> check the kubuntu home page
[01:08] <treke-> it has the repository info
[01:08] <jkeel> treke-: thanks
[01:09] <nmorse> Check the topic
[01:09] <jkeel> does anybody have KDE maximization weirdness?
[01:09] <treke-> like?
[01:09] <jkeel> i.e. pixels cut off of the top of the win deco?
[01:09] <Ghetek> will breezy have gaim you think?
[01:10] <treke-> jkeel: that's normal I think
[01:10] <gdh> Ghetek: hoary already has gaim..
[01:10] <Ghetek> ...
[01:10] <jkeel> treke-: not on my old distro...
[01:10] <nmorse> Yeah, jkeel I do
[01:10] <Ghetek> mine didn't
[01:10] <treke-> the title bar is thinner when maximized
[01:10] <jkeel> nmorse: weird..
[01:10] <jkeel> that doesn't seem right
[01:10] <treke-> Ghetek: it's in main
[01:10] <jkeel> I'll ask over in #kde-devel
[01:11] <Ghetek> oh i know i mean in the iso
[01:11] <Ghetek> in the install
[01:11] <treke-> Ghetek: kubuntu or ubuntu?
[01:11] <gdh> No, Kubuntu is a KDE distro. It will have Kopete...
[01:11] <Ghetek> treke: kubuntu
[01:11] <gdh> Gaim is a GNOME app. It will never feature as default in Kubuntu.
[01:11] <treke-> I wouldnt count on gaim ever being in the default kubuntu install
[01:11] <nmorse> Is Firefox?
[01:12] <treke-> nmorse: nope
[01:12] <nmorse> Hmm, go figure
[01:12] <gdh> Firefox uses the GTK2 toolkit
[01:12] <Ghetek> is kopete better?
[01:12] <gdh> it isn't a GNOME app
[01:12] <treke-> jkeel: I always assumed it was because the window border itself is gone
[01:12] <Ghetek> i never gave it a try
[01:12] <nmorse> I guess I shouldn't have installed Ubuntu then kubuntu-desktop
[01:12] <treke-> Ghetek: kopete works
[01:12] <nmorse> I'm getting half the experience
[01:12] <jkeel> treke-: not everyone has that behavior...I just checked
[01:12] <treke-> better or worse are subjective
[01:13] <treke-> jkeel: Odd. Always figured it was normal :)
[01:13] <treke-> I like kopete myself
[01:13] <nmorse> Widescreen laptop display?
[01:13] <jkeel> me too :) kopete's nice
[01:13] <gdh> I never liked Gaim - I tried it at 2 seperate points and found it to be buggy and irritating.
[01:13] <gdh> those were my experiences, anyway :)
[01:13] <Ghetek> then perhaps i will try gaim
[01:14] <Ghetek> haha
[01:14] <Ghetek> i mean kopete
[01:14] <gdh> =)
[01:14] <Ghetek> my mind isnt with me now
[01:14] <treke-> jkeel: Are they using plastik?
[01:14] <Ghetek> ok guys im installing kde3.4.1 and i gotta go watch a movie with the girlfriend
[01:15] <nmorse> Plastik's what I'm using
[01:15] <Ghetek> take it easy
[01:15] <treke-> jkeel: That's the only theme that seems to do it
[01:15] <Shuddertrix> Bleh, i got an error emerging d4x. It seems like anything I try emerging now seems to fail.
[01:15] <jkeel> treke-: yeah, they're on Plastik
[01:15] <nmorse> That's because you're on Kubuntu
[01:15] <nmorse> Emerge doesn't exist on Kubuntu
[01:15] <Shuddertrix> Wrong channel, sorry.
[01:15] <nmorse> :P
[01:16] <Shuddertrix> I clicked the wrong tab. It happens, well, about 8 times a day for me.
[01:16] <nmorse> I understand, I'm always in at least two rooms
[01:16] <treke-> doesnt seem like a bug though. Seems like something that would be purposefully done
[01:16] <Curalton> rofl nmorse 
[01:16] <Shuddertrix> For the record, my kubuntu system has problems running d4x also.. trying to figure this out..
[01:17] <Curalton> d4x - graphical download manager
[01:17] <Curalton> why not kget?
[01:17] <nmorse> or wget
[01:17] <nmorse> who really needs X11 anyway
[01:17] <jkeel> treke-: I just figured out why it behaves that way
[01:17] <jkeel> treke-: it's a setting...Riddell on #kde-devel told me..
[01:17] <Curalton> err, hardly graphical 
[01:17] <nmorse> Particularly on Gentoo
[01:17] <treke-> jkeel: That's what I figured. Just coulnt find it :p
[01:17] <Shuddertrix> kget is kinda.. bleh.. and I was using wget, but I personally like d4x
[01:17] <mez> wow, skpe works properly with Kubuntu
[01:18] <jkeel> treke-: I'm looking for it
[01:18] <treke-> jkeel: config file only maybe?
[01:18] <Shuddertrix> Hmm, i fixed kubuntu's problem.
[01:18] <treke-> I wouldnt mind turning it off, I don't care much for it
[01:18] <Shuddertrix> just a simple remove the install fixed it.. weird.
[01:18] <mez> Shuddertrix, which problem
[01:18] <jkeel> treke-: could be...I don't care for it at all
[01:19] <Shuddertrix> mez, the problem I was having with kubuntu and d4x
[01:19] <jkeel> treke-: Riddell says it's "don't allow resize on maximzed" 
[01:19] <treke-> invert that
[01:19] <treke-> and it's on the moving tab of window behavior
[01:20] <treke-> kind of a strange side efect
[01:20] <jkeel> treke-: found it. definitely strange...
[01:21] <jkeel> treke-: Riddell says it may not be default next release
[01:21] <treke-> I think it was a behavior they wanted to copy from ubuntu, but I'd love to see it go away
[01:21] <jkeel> yeah
[01:21] <treke-> though my desktop is almost nothing like the default
[01:21] <jkeel> maybe it's a KDE bug, though...
[01:21] <treke-> so it doesnt matter much
[01:22] <treke-> I dont think it's a bug. The behavior makes sense.
[01:22] <jkeel> treke-: mine really isn't either...Nuvola icons, two panels, etc.
[01:22] <jkeel> treke-: well, it seems like it should maximize the same way, just disallow moving or resizing
[01:23] <treke-> I can see arguments both ways
[01:23] <jkeel> :)
[01:23] <jkeel> doesn't really matter as long as I can change it ;)
[01:23] <treke-> wonder if I can convince him to change the button order on the title bars :)
[01:24] <jkeel> lol
[01:24] <jkeel> what do you like?
[01:24] <jkeel> I've always used defaults
[01:24] <jkeel> for Plastik
[01:24] <treke-> shade      Title    Max Min :)
[01:24] <treke-> er Max Close
[01:24] <jkeel> I'd like 'Always on Top' to be in there :)
[01:25] <jkeel> or 'Keep Above Others', actually
[01:25] <treke-> I dont think he'd actually do it. Probably doesnt make sense to change that default
[01:25] <jkeel> treke-: I've added the kde 3.4.1 repo to my list, but how can I be sure I'm going to get the right packages when I upgrade/
[01:25] <jkeel> ?
[01:26] <jkeel> treke-: yeah, everybody likes it different
[01:26] <weedar> kopete doesn't seem to work with the msn-network, I can't log in. Others having the same problem? (or know how to fix it?)
[01:26] <treke-> apt-get -V upgrade 
[01:26] <treke-> read the version numbers
[01:26] <jkeel> ahh
[01:26] <jkeel> I'm really new to apt
[01:26] <treke-> or do what I do and trust apt :)
[01:27] <jkeel> I've been used to Portage on Gentoo :)
[01:27] <jkeel> treke-: heh...I can't ;)
[01:27] <jkeel> weedar: are you on KDE 3.4?
[01:27] <jkeel> weedar: I think it's fixed in KDE 3.4.1
[01:27] <treke-> jkeel: way I see it, I can always just back out the upgrade :)
[01:28] <jkeel> :) I'm on dial-up, so a little bit of unneeded downloading is bad news
[01:29] <jkeel> treke-: heh. it's a good thing I checked versions. I had added the source, but forgotten to apt-get update
[01:29] <weedar> jkeel: Yes I'm using 3.4.0
[01:29] <jkeel> weedar: you might want to check in #kde and ask about it, but I think KDE 3.4.1 fixes some MSN issues with Kopete
[01:30] <jkeel> treke-: hehe
[01:30] <weedar> jkeel: I should just update via the source in topic here or do I need to do anything else?
[01:30] <jkeel> weedar: I believe that's all you need. 
[01:31] <jkeel> weedar: I'm doing the same right now :) updating...
[01:31] <weedar> jkeel: I'll try that then, thanks mate!
[01:31] <jkeel> welcome :)
[01:33] <jkeel> wow. I'm getting 403 Forbiddens trying to apt-get update
[01:34] <Firetech> jkeel: using backports?
[01:34] <jkeel> Firetech: all I changed from the default sources.list was uncommenting the universe lines and adding the KDE 3.4.1 source
[01:35] <Firetech> which sources are giving you 403?
[01:35] <weedar> apt-get upate works fine with the 4.3.1 source here
[01:35] <jkeel> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[01:35] <Firetech> us seemed to be down earlier
[01:35] <jkeel> hmm
[01:35] <Firetech> try removing all the us., temporarily
[01:35] <jkeel> ok
[01:36] <Firetech> it is wise to remember to change it back...
[01:36] <jkeel> heh
[01:36] <Firetech> you'll lose some speed else... (very little, but anyway)
[01:37] <jkeel> that fixed it... us must be down
[01:37] <Firetech> it didn't respond earlier
[01:37] <Firetech> broken server
[01:38] <Firetech> I'm no american though.
[01:38] <jkeel> lol
[01:38] <jkeel> is it safe to accept packages that can't be "authenticated"?
[01:38] <jkeel> by apt-get?
[01:39] <jkeel> I'm installed 3.4.1
[01:39] <Firetech> it's the 3.4.1 packages
[01:39] <jkeel> yeah..I'll go ahead
[01:39] <Firetech> it's pretty safe, as long as you know which repositories you have active
[01:39] <jkeel> dial-up isn't cool
[01:40] <jkeel> right
[01:40] <weedar> I added the repositories from the ubuntuguide, would you consider them "safe" to have when running an upgrade?
[01:41] <Firetech> the only thing you'll miss is the gpg signing of all the packages, which ensures that they are themselves... just be a little more careful with non authenticated packages.
[01:42] <Firetech> weedar: kind of... ubuntuguide is not  official, and AFAIK, the guide includes marillat, which can break your system because it's for debian...
[01:42] <jkeel> is there any md5sum check?
[01:43] <Firetech> don't think so
[01:43] <Firetech> I don
[01:43] <weedar> ouch, I do have the marillat repository
[01:43] <Firetech> 't know
[01:43] <weedar> guess I'll find out soon enough if this was a bad idea
[01:43] <Firetech> as long as you havent got broken yet, just disable it :)
[01:44] <weedar> I just finished upgrading :P
[01:44] <Firetech> :|
[01:44] <weedar> I guess hindsight really is 20/20, or just bad timing
[01:44] <Firetech> I don't know the contents of marillat, but pretty many people use it...
[01:45] <weedar> but if this does really breaks my system, for my next install and subsequent upgrade I should remove marillat? None of the others are an issue?
[01:46] <Firetech> I don't thionk so, I haven't read the guide, I just know that marillat is there and some mods on the forum think it's a bad idea to use it...
[01:46] <weedar> AFAIK the others are just multiverse repositories and ubuntu-related, I guess marillat is the only debian-one
[01:46] <Firetech> you should remove marillat, that is...
[01:46] <Firetech> you can remove it now...
[01:47] <Firetech> it won't hurt already installed packages
[01:47] <slicslak> are the ubuntu repositories down?
[01:48] <Firetech> the us mirror seems to be, yes
[01:48] <weedar> hm, actually a ubuntu package broke my upgrade I see
[01:48] <weedar> kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary1_all.deb
[01:48] <Firetech> which?
[01:48] <Firetech> not that one again...
[01:49] <weedar> what? :)
[01:49] <Firetech> Riddell: haven't you got that fixed?
[01:49] <Firetech> try running apt-get upgrade again
[01:50] <weedar> did it just before you wrote that :)
[01:51] <Firetech> did it help?
[01:51] <weedar> well, it finished this time without any problem
[01:52] <Firetech> run apt-get -f install and see if it want's to change anything...
[01:52] <weedar> Guess I'll have to do a reboot to check if everything still works, eh?
[01:52] <weedar> will do
[01:52] <Firetech> reboot isn't needed
[01:52] <Firetech> linux don't need reboots for other things than kernel problems/changes...
[01:53] <Firetech> but I'd recommend you to relogin.
[01:54] <weedar> I will, see you in a few (I hope..)
[01:55] <jkeel> btw, I think 
[01:55] <jkeel> Riddell went to sleep
[01:56] <Firetech> Wouldn't blame him...
[01:56] <weedar> Sleep, now there's a concept I could like. soon.
[01:56] <Firetech> damn stuff... the freaking thunder is coming around again...
[01:56] <weedar> But kopete works with MSN now and nothing seems to be broken. Of course, I can't really tell yet
[01:57] <jkeel> weedar: sweet
[01:57] <Curalton> maybe microsoft changed the msn protocoll to shut out other clients
[01:58] <jkeel> Curalton: that's probably what happened
[01:58] <weedar> Curalton: It was the first thing that hit my mind when it happened
[01:58] <Firetech> Curalton: they did
[01:58] <weedar> uh, at least crossed it.
[01:58] <Firetech> brb, with another client.
[01:58] <Firetech> via WLAN
[02:00] <jkeel> weedar: what happened to your system? how was it broken?
[02:00] <jkeel> weedar: I mean, what does a broken system look like?
[02:00] <weedar> oh no, it isn't broken. Or, as I said, I can't really tell if it is or isn't yet :)
[02:02] <jkeel> well, you said a package broke your upgrade. what did you mean?
[02:03] <sbcl3> can i get all of the kde-edu packages at once?
[02:03] <weedar> Well, I got an error when upgrading, but running the upgrade command again resulted in sucess
[02:03] <weedar> so nothing got broke, it just didn't work when I first tried to
[02:04] <jkeel> hmm
[02:04] <weedar> but I need to go get some sleep, 4 hours until I have to drive my gf to work
[02:04] <Firetech> something is a bit faulty in which order the packages are installer
[02:04] <weedar> yeah I noticed they got installed in a different order the second time
[02:05] <pajohn> hey guys, i just installed kubuntu and i try to fire up kate (the text editor), it get "ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed
[02:05] <jkeel> yeah, sounds likely
[02:05] <jkeel> I hope it works for you, weedar. I'm downloading the packages now
[02:05] <pajohn> any ideas?
[02:06] <jkeel> but it's only 1% done... I hate dial-up
[02:06] <pajohn> pajohn@ubuntu:~$ sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:06] <pajohn> Password:
[02:06] <pajohn> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-pajohn" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:06] <pajohn> Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"
[02:06] <pajohn> kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[02:06] <pajohn> that's my whole thing when i try to edit sources.list
[02:07] <Firetech> pajohn: the kde programs doesn't work very ell with sudo
[02:07] <weedar> pajohn: sudo chown <username> /var/tmp/kdecache-pajohn
[02:07] <Firetech> all of them crash...
[02:07] <weedar> where username is your username ;)
[02:07] <weedar> that's how I "fixed" my kedit
[02:07] <pajohn> oh alright thanks
[02:07] <pajohn> what does the chown command do?
[02:08] <weedar> changes the owner of a file, in this case sets the owner to your user
[02:08] <pajohn> oh ok
[02:08] <pajohn> thanks
[02:09] <weedar> hang on, I read "kedit", but you use kate. I suppose it might still fix it, let me know, ok?
[02:09] <weedar> :)
[02:09] <pajohn> nope it doesnt
[02:09] <pajohn> i'll just get emacs
[02:09] <pajohn> or something like that
[02:09] <pajohn> i'll use vi if i have to, but i doubt it'll get to that
[02:09] <weedar> hehe
[02:10] <pajohn> i thought i had to open up repos to get at emacs, but it's listed under emacs21
[02:10] <Firetech> pajohn: i'd recommend nano (installed) or gedit (not installed by default in a kubuntu only environment)
[02:11] <sbcl3> is he looking for a texteditor?
[02:11] <weedar> so does everyone hate kedit or something? :) Works fine for simple edits like sources.list
[02:11] <sbcl3> what about kwrite?
[02:11] <sbcl3> it always worked for me ;)
[02:11] <slicslak_> i prefer kate personallyh
[02:11] <jkeel> weedar: kate rules...come on ;)
[02:11] <pajohn> hmm, i don't really use kate, but i'm wondering why it doesnt work
[02:11] <pajohn> even when i don't sudo
[02:12] <Firetech> i don't like the kde text editors, they acannot cooperate with sudo.
[02:12] <weedar> well, kedit works fine for me, but to each their own.. The bed is calling though
[02:13] <hussam> Hi, I installed the Vmware 5 evaluation today from .gz  the installer was a perl script. But now I need to uninstall it because I no longer need it. How do I do that?
[02:13] <Firetech> sudo vmware-uninstall.pl
[02:13] <slicslak_> anyone every transferred kde wallets passwords from one system to another?
[02:15] <hussam> Firetech: thanks
[02:15] <sbcl3> is something wrong with the ubuntu package repositories at this time?
[02:15] <pajohn> ok, on apt-get update i'm getting a 403 error
[02:15] <sbcl3> when i try and refresh my package information i get alot of red dots
[02:15] <pajohn> yeah i was just about to ask that
[02:15] <sbcl3> pajohn: what a coincidence ;)
[02:15] <sbcl3> so its not just me...good
[02:16] <pajohn> you're getting 403's?
[02:16] <Firetech> The us.archive.ubuntu.com seems to be down.
[02:16] <sbcl3> pajohn: with kynaptic how can you check?
[02:17] <Firetech> oops, forgot the word mirror there.
[02:17] <sbcl3> "403 forbidden"
[02:17] <sbcl3> pajohn: yup :/
[02:19] <Firetech> damn weather
[02:19] <pajohn> where you at?
[02:20] <Firetech> souther Sweden
[02:20] <Firetech> *southern
[02:20] <pajohn> oh ok
[02:20] <pajohn> what's it doing?
[02:20] <Firetech> rains like hell and a thunderstorm going on for the second time in two hours
[02:20] <pajohn> i'm in maryland (by washington d.c.) us, it's just raining and crappy
[02:21] <Firetech> well, this rain is falling down with maximum speed...
[02:22] <dreumah> hi i am new to kubuntu and i have a problem with installing new software
[02:22] <SaemSUSE> http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:PAV3EZvO7csJ:www.eas.slu.edu/People/CEGraves/Eas107/Precip-Processes.doc+terminal+velocity+rain+drops&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
[02:22] <pajohn> right now?
[02:22] <dreumah> yeah
[02:22] <pajohn> i think the repo servers are acting screwey
[02:22] <dreumah> i get the error 403
[02:22] <SaemSUSE> Hmm,that's a google ppt to html link.
[02:23] <sbcl3> dreumah: server's down
[02:23] <dreumah> ahhh thank you
[02:23] <sbcl3> dreumah: you're not the only one
[02:23] <dreumah> i thought i messed up the installation
[02:23] <dreumah> and the repo set up
[02:23] <pajohn> nope
[02:23] <pajohn> you uncommented the things from /etc/apt/sources.list?
[02:24] <pajohn> i think that's about all you need for the repo setup
[02:24] <dreumah> what command would that be, i used the ubuntu unofficial guide
[02:24] <pajohn> ok, basically you'll pick your favorite text editor
[02:25] <dreumah> like mc
[02:25] <dreumah> no gedit
[02:25] <pajohn> sudo <favorite text editor> /etc/atp/sources.list
[02:25] <pajohn> i mean /apt
[02:26] <pajohn> and then it's pretty obvious
[02:26] <pajohn> they come in pairs
[02:26] <pajohn> it's like 3 or 4 pairs to uncomment
[02:26] <pajohn> i mean you don't even need to do this
[02:26] <pajohn> it's just some more packages in case you want/need them
[02:27] <dreumah> i dont have anything to edit
[02:27] <dreumah> its empty
[02:27] <sbcl3> what does multiverse mean exactly?
[02:27] <pajohn> many verse
[02:27] <slicslak_> is it me, or are the repositories still down?  i've never seen this happen before...
[02:27] <Firetech> sbcl3: non-free packages
[02:27] <pajohn> nah, i don't know
[02:27] <pajohn> still down
[02:27] <pajohn> i bet it was fedora hackers
[02:27] <slicslak_> sucks
[02:27] <slicslak_> lol
[02:27] <Firetech> that is binary-only stuff, mostly...
[02:28] <sbcl3> firetech: you mean shareware?
[02:28] <pajohn> yeah
[02:28] <Firetech> kind of
[02:28] <pajohn> free as in beer
[02:28] <pajohn> but not open source
[02:28] <sbcl3> (i know absolutely free packages in that repository)
[02:28] <Firetech> can be freeware to
[02:28] <sbcl3> oh okay
[02:28] <dreumah> fedora hackers?
[02:28] <Firetech> not free as in freedom
[02:28] <pajohn> dreumah: it was a joke, not a very good one
[02:28] <dreumah> i see
[02:29] <Firetech> but yet free as in free beer
[02:29] <dreumah> sorry, i am just a noob
[02:29] <pajohn> haha it's alright
[02:29] <sbcl3> yeah; i'm a n00b too
[02:29] <pajohn> fedora is another linux distro
[02:29] <Firetech> hmm, seems like the street is flooded
[02:29] <dreumah> why is the su password the same as user?
[02:29] <pajohn> did you make a root user?
[02:29] <Firetech> dreumah: it isn't
[02:30] <dreumah> it is for mine
[02:30] <pajohn> you shouldnt be able to su initally
[02:30] <Firetech> sudo asks for your password though.
[02:30] <sbcl3> pajohn: ubuntu is kind of special in that they don't have one
[02:30] <sbcl3> use sudo
[02:30] <pajohn> yeah, sudo is different from su
[02:30] <dreumah> well sudo then, why is it the same as user?
[02:30] <dreumah> whats the difference?
[02:30] <pajohn> you initial account if a "privlidged" account
[02:30] <Firetech> because it works with your password
[02:30] <pajohn> but not completely
[02:30] <Firetech> dreumah: man sudo
[02:30] <pajohn> so you have to sudo to get the root properties
[02:31] <pajohn> it's basically so you don't login as root, and leave the computer up so someone can do something
[02:31] <pajohn> if you sudo, then if someone wants to do something unauthorized, they have to give the password
[02:31] <dreumah> i see
[02:31] <pajohn> whereas su leaves it in root
[02:32] <pajohn> i got a question
[02:32] <dreumah> i understand.... ubuntu seems different to other linux distros i tried
[02:32] <sbcl3> i have a quick question: i think i'm going to try and install debian sarge when its released...how is kubuntu different from debian?
[02:32] <sbcl3> is it just an easy-to-install debian?
[02:33] <pajohn> when i used fedora, i mounted my hda3 partition by putting the mount command in /etc/rc.local
[02:33] <Firetech> sbcl3: the main difference is that debian doen't give you X
[02:33] <sbcl3> firetech: is X hard to install?
[02:33] <pajohn> what's the "proper" way to automount partitions
[02:33] <sbcl3> pajohn: sudo mount /dev/whatever /your/file/place
[02:33] <pajohn> sbcl3, if it's not in a package i'd think it'd be a pain in the ass
[02:33] <Firetech> sbcl3: it can be  a bit tricky to configure
[02:34] <sbcl3> best to put it on a seperate partition ;)
[02:34] <Firetech> pajohn:  mount on boot, or what do you mean?
[02:34] <pajohn> yeah, mount on boot
[02:35] <pajohn> mount /dev/hda3 /mnt/hda3
[02:35] <pajohn> in fedora i put that in rc.local
[02:35] <Firetech> add auto to the preferences of the desired drive in /etc/fstab
[02:35] <pajohn> alright thanks
[02:36] <Firetech> e.g. "umode=0" -> "umode=0,auto"
[02:36] <pajohn> firetech, /dev/hda3 doesnt shot up in fstab, should i add it?
[02:36] <sbcl3> i'm having problems doing a slide show in konqueror; my view is on "image", i just clicked "slide show"; nothing seems to be happening
[02:36] <sbcl3> whoops; nevermind
[02:37] <Firetech> pajohn: IF YOY KNW WHAT YOU'RE DOING..
[02:37] <pajohn> hahaha
[02:37] <Firetech> damn caps
[02:37] <pajohn> then probably not
[02:37] <Firetech> sorry
[02:37] <pajohn> it's ok
[02:37] <Firetech> i meant to others
[02:37] <pajohn> and i dont understand the umode=0
[02:37] <Firetech> just an example
[02:38] <Firetech> if it says "umode=0" now, then change it to "umode=0,auto"
[02:38] <pajohn> do you know what you're doing firetech? could you help me through this?
[02:38] <Firetech> not all of them need the umode=0
[02:38] <pajohn> b/c it doesnt even list hda3
[02:38] <Firetech> I'm not in a kubuntu environment atm...
[02:39] <pajohn> i get file system, mount point, and type
[02:39] <pajohn> type is vfat for fat32 right?
[02:39] <Firetech> think so
[02:39] <pajohn> but for options, dumb, and pass, i don't know what to do
[02:40] <pajohn> dump*
[02:40] <pajohn> ok...
[02:40] <pajohn> i think i did it
[02:40] <pajohn> i'm gonna reboot and see what happens
[02:41] <pajohn> if i don't come back in 5 minutes, mail me an install cd
[02:42] <Firetech> ...
[02:46] <sbcl3> package servers are still down :/
[02:48] <sclewin> So, how wasy is kubunto to install when compaired to Debian?
[02:48] <sclewin> I installed Xandros and found it too easy, then tried Debian and could not get it workign properly
[02:49] <pajohn> ok it worked
[02:50] <pajohn> i got another question
[02:50] <pajohn> i mounted my fat32 partition under /mnt/hda3
[02:50] <pajohn> how do i change it so that i can change files?
[02:51] <pajohn> i tried %: sudo chmod 777 /mnt/hda3
[02:51] <pajohn> but i still need to be root to do write to that directory
[02:51] <pajohn> any ideas guys?
[02:52] <sbcl3> pajohn: i had this problem once
[02:52] <sbcl3> it only happened when my partition was FAT32 though
[02:52] <sbcl3> what filesystem is your partition?
[02:52] <Curalton> pajohn: put "uid= your id number" in the  /etc/fstab file
[02:53] <pajohn> what would my id number be?
[02:53] <Firetech> pajohn: what is the problem?
[02:53] <Firetech> I lost some logs...
[02:54] <pajohn> firetech: basically i want to be able to edit files in my /mnt/hda3 directory without being root
[02:54] <Firetech> add rw to the options
[02:54] <pajohn> oh ok alright thanks
[02:54] <Firetech> like you added auto
[02:54] <pajohn> thanks alot
[02:55] <Firetech> then sudo mount -o remount /path/to/mount/point
[02:55] <Curalton> pajohn: id is what you get when you type "id"
[02:55] <Curalton> Firetech: rw wont help, files will still belong to root and apparently he can edit them already being root
[02:56] <Firetech> damn.
[02:57] <pajohn> curalton: i put the "uid" under the options, right?
[02:57] <Firetech> pajohn: ignore what i said and do ke Curalton said instead.
[02:57] <Firetech> *like
[02:57] <Curalton> pajohn: yes, uid=..., separated just by a comma
[02:57] <Curalton> no spaces
[02:57] <Firetech> should be "as"
[02:57] <pajohn> alright
[02:57] <pajohn> lemme reboot and see how it does
[02:58] <pajohn> thanks for the help!
[02:58] <Curalton> no reboot. arrr
[03:01] <pajohn> it works!
[03:01] <pajohn> thanks alot guys
[03:02] <Firetech> that what we're here for ;)
[03:03] <Curalton> heh :)
[03:04] <Firetech> well, godnight.
[03:04] <Firetech> *good
[03:04] <Firetech> I'm falling asleep here
[03:06] <pajohn> what time is it there?
[03:12] <MyGhetek> sorry guys just gotta test out my kopete
[03:12] <MyGhetek> Now Listening To: Lullaby by Jesse Sykes Sweet Hereafter on Reckless Burning 
[03:12] <MyGhetek> awesome
[03:12] <pajohn> never heard of jesse sykes
[03:12] <pajohn> what's he sound like?
[03:12] <MyGhetek> its a girl
[03:12] <pajohn> she
[03:12] <pajohn> sound like?
[03:12] <MyGhetek> yup
[03:12] <MyGhetek> just awesome
[03:16] <sbcl3> quick announcement
[03:16] <sbcl3> the servers are back up :)
[03:17] <pajohn> YAY!!!!!!!!!!
[03:17] <sbcl3> yep
[03:17] <pajohn> thanks
[03:17] <MyGhetek> the backports?!
[03:17] <sbcl3> the package servers 
[03:17] <MyGhetek> yay!!!
[03:17] <pajohn> i'm still getting a 404
[03:18] <pajohn> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">

deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/<BR/>
[03:18] <pajohn> deb-src http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ source/</P></I></body>
[03:18] <pajohn> oops
[03:18] <pajohn> wrong copy/paste
[03:18] <pajohn> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/main Sources
[03:18] <pajohn>   404 Not Found
[03:18] <pajohn> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/restricted Sources
[03:18] <pajohn>   404 Not Found
[03:18] <pajohn> Fetched 17.0kB in 3s (5301B/s)
[03:18] <pajohn> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[03:18] <pajohn> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[03:18] <Curalton> DO NOT FLOOD!
[03:19] <pajohn> sorry
[03:19] <pajohn> i didnt mean to
[03:19] <MyGhetek> ouch!
[03:19] <MyGhetek> oh no! oh please stop it... it hurts
[03:19] <pajohn> he wasnt being mean
[03:20] <pajohn> he just doesnt want his window filled up in 2 seconds
[03:20] <pajohn> ok, now it's working for me
[03:20] <MyGhetek> oh man... it would be awesome if i could bash this kopete window and clear every now and then
[03:23] <sbcl3> pajohn: hmm.
[03:24] <sbcl3> it worked for me though
[03:24] <sbcl3> oh wait; my packages i downloaded were in other repositories
[03:25] <pajohn> sbcl3: it's working for me now
[03:25] <pajohn> it just took a minute after it was announced as being fixed
[03:25] <pajohn> sort of odd, but oh well
[03:27] <sbcl3> pajohn: maybe we'll see something on ubuntu's front page soon ;)
[03:31] <pajohn> a while ago, there was a script to fix the kdslibs thing with apt-get upgrade
[03:31] <pajohn> does anyone know where i can get that script?
[03:32] <pajohn> it used to be on the announcements on the top of this room
[03:34] <sbcl3> does anyone here have a problem of kate constantly crashing after attempting to open it as root from the terminal?
[03:35] <sbcl3> it won't even open at this point
[03:35] <pajohn> same here
[03:35] <pajohn> save yourself the trouble and do %: sudo apt-get remove kate
[03:35] <sbcl3> okay
[03:35] <sbcl3> and then sudo apt-get install kate?
[03:36] <sbcl3> (here's the exact error message the terminal spits out:)
[03:36] <sbcl3> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sbcl3" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[03:36] <sbcl3> Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"
[03:36] <sbcl3> kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[03:36] <sbcl3> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sbcl3" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[03:36] <sbcl3> Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"
[03:36] <sbcl3> kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[03:36] <pajohn> that's what i used to get
[03:36] <sbcl3> please don't kick me for flooding (if thats what this is)
[03:36] <pajohn> uid 1000 is you btw
[03:37] <pajohn> i have no idea why it isnt working, i just got rid of it and used emacs
[03:38] <sbcl3> pajohn: still doesn't seem to be working
[03:39] <_Church_of_Foamy> is there a timezone calculator for kubuntu?
[03:40] <sbcl3> pajohn: worked this time
[03:40] <sbcl3> church of foamy: probably not
[03:40] <Curalton> _Church_of_Foamy: rightclick on the clock and you can set up what timezones to switch through via middle click
[03:40] <sbcl3> i think he means a calculator: what is the difference in time from x to y?
[03:41] <pajohn> ok, does anyone know where to get the script to fix the kdelibs thing?
[03:41] <sbcl3> no idea
[03:42] <sbcl3> pajohn: theres generally more support in #ubuntu...so unless its kde-dependant, ask there ;)
[03:45] <sbcl3> this program KTurtle is awesome...
[03:46] <pajohn> what does it do?
[03:48] <sbcl3> hold on
[03:48] <sbcl3> http://kturtle.sourceforge.net/
[03:49] <sbcl3> a cute little program that makes cool drawings on canvas with code, meant to teach n00bs programming
[03:49] <pajohn> like EZlogo?
[03:49] <pajohn> or whatever it was
[03:49] <pajohn> that i remember from like elementary school
[03:49] <myth8y> Hey if I add the deb url on the topic in my sources.list and i do a dist-upgrade does i still have to install the kdelibs-debug.sh??
[03:51] <pajohn> i think so
[03:52] <myth8y> ok thx
[03:52] <pajohn> oh btw guys, that was the script i was talking about
[03:54] <pajohn> i love how people have a question then leave
[03:54] <sbcl3> was that sarcastic?
[03:54] <pajohn> yeah
[03:54] <pajohn> i think it's funny people come in, ask a question, then sign off
[03:54] <pajohn> i mean you might as well stay a while
[03:55] <sbcl3> yeah
[03:55] <sbcl3> which reminds me
[03:55] <sbcl3> it wouldn't hurt to be loitering in #kde or #koffice either :)
[03:59] <pajohn> sbcl3: if you liked kturtle, try something like povray
[03:59] <pajohn> you'll get much cooler pictures
[04:02] <sbcl3> pajohn: okay :)
[04:02] <sbcl3> kturtle rocks
[04:02] <pajohn> or any raytracer is similar, it's coding a picture, except these are 3d
[04:03] <sbcl3> pajohn: i'll bet the coding is harder, too
[04:03] <sbcl3> kturtle is a tool for beginner idiots like me
[04:47] <sbcl3> does anyone here use tilp?
[05:08] <_evan> greetings room...
[05:12] <sbcl3> greetings...
[05:19] <sbcl3> something's wrong with kiten; it can't find libkiten
[05:19] <sbcl3> i installed kiten through kdeedu
[05:19] <sbcl3> anyone else having this problem?
[05:19] <canllaith> Hrm I saw on the kubuntu website that KDE 3.4.1 packages were out
[05:20] <canllaith> I'm just finishing apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and it looks like it's pulling 3.4.0
[05:20] <sbcl3> are you the guy from #kde?
[05:20] <canllaith> Guy ?
[05:20] <canllaith> I don't see any guy.
[05:20] <sbcl3> *girl
[05:21] <canllaith> whois: [canllaith]  (~Jhall@jhall.developer.kde): Jessica Hall
[05:23] <sbcl3> is 3.4.0 not the newest version?
[05:23] <canllaith> 3.4.1 is out
[05:23] <canllaith> I saw on the kubuntu website that there were packages for 3.4.1.
[05:24] <sbcl3> hmmm
[05:24] <pajohn> has anyone here used wine?
[05:25] <canllaith> Yes
[05:25] <canllaith> hrm brb kubuntu desktop finished installing yay!
[05:27] <e> i can't use the middle-click button to close tabs in konqueror?  what's the fix?
[05:28] <e> got it!  google is your friend.  couldn't find it at first...
[05:35] <pajohn> hey canllaith
[05:35] <pajohn> you said you've run wine before
[05:36] <pajohn> have you been able to make (gasp) ie work on it by any chance?
[05:38] <canllaith> Yes
[05:38] <canllaith> with active X (although, badly)
[05:38] <pajohn> how did you do that?
[05:38] <canllaith> I believe I had to user an older version (5. something)
[05:38] <pajohn> oh ok
[05:38] <pajohn> yeah, i'm using the newest version of wine and i can't seem to get it to work with anything
[05:38] <pajohn> did you use winetools?
[05:39] <canllaith> hrm I don't recall now
[05:39] <canllaith> I own a mac now and use IE on it if I ever need it
[05:39] <pajohn> oh ok
[05:41] <pajohn> i'm guessing you had to use the tar.gz version of wine
[05:41] <pajohn> i can't seem to find older .deb wine files
[05:42] <sbcl3> anyone know a repository where i can get koffice 1.4?
[05:42] <pajohn> packages.debian.org ?
[05:44] <canllaith> heh oh, I don't use debian. At all.
[05:44] <canllaith> I was using Slackware
[05:44] <pajohn> haha
[05:46] <pajohn> for an rpm, what does mdk stand for?
[05:47] <pajohn> i think i'm gonna have to alien an older version of wine
[05:47] <pajohn> and they're all like fedora or redhat] 
[05:47] <pajohn> and suse
[05:47] <pajohn> and there's one that says "mdk", any ideas? i'm trying to find the most compatible one
[05:47] <canllaith> mandrake...
[05:47] <sproingie> mandrivel now
[05:47] <sproingie> er mandriva
[05:47] <canllaith> heh
[05:48] <canllaith> Nah, you were right the first time ;)
[05:48] <pajohn> hmm
[05:48] <pajohn> would any of these work with alien do you think?
[05:48] <sproingie> what paucity of imagination does it take when merging two companies to come up with a new name that just gloms the names together?
[05:48] <sproingie> did they not conceive the thought of just coming up with a NEW name?
[05:49] <pajohn> that's what pissed me off about fedora is that each rpm had to be for fedora core 3 for the recent kernel version or else it wouldnt work
[05:50] <sproingie> oy dont remind me.  and they're not going to have dist-upgrade like functionality til FC5 at earliest
[05:50] <pajohn> wonder why i switched to kubuntu...
[05:52] <sproingie> i almost switched to fedora.  but the installer made it so difficult that i couldn't
[05:53] <sproingie> wanted to do a net install so i wouldnt have to download 4 cd's.  it doesnt recognize a nforce3 ethernet card
[05:53] <sproingie> this is the card that like half the amd64 users in the world have
[05:53] <sproingie> ubuntu, no prob
[05:53] <pajohn> yeah
[05:53] <pajohn> unbuntu
[05:53] <pajohn> unbuntu detected my wireless card no problem
[05:54] <sproingie> THEN i find that fedora doesnt have ATI drivers built for 2.6.11, which is the ONLY kernel version they support
[05:55] <sproingie> i didn't come here to bury fedora, but it handed me a shovel and hopped in a ditch for me
[06:00] <pajohn> does packages.debian.org keep older packages or do they remove them?
[06:22] <sbcl3> anyone know a good JAVA IDE?
[06:24] <can|imac> eclipse?
[06:24] <sbcl3> okay
[06:24] <sbcl3> thanks
[06:24] <sbcl3> not gnome-dependant, right?
[06:24] <sbcl3> how come its not in any of the repositories?
[06:26] <can|imac> I have no idea, eclipse.org
[06:28] <nate__> whats the shell-scripting channel?
[06:28] <nate__> i can't find it
[07:26] <slicslak> i've totally screwed my sources.  anyone have or know where i can get a good sources.list for north america?
[07:26] <markc> is there any timeline for when non-core KDE apps will be built on 3.4.1 libs ?
[07:28] <markc> that's strange, I can't find any mirror list at kubuntu.org
[08:02] <weedar> So gconfd killed my system last night, anyone have any idea why that is? Due to a signal 15, just a few minutes after I left the computer, which is not a laptop
[08:07] <Ghetek> quick question can you read this?
[08:08] <weedar> yes
[08:08] <Ghetek> ok good
[08:08] <Ghetek> was getting a bit scared
[08:08] <weedar> internet paranoia?
[08:08] <Ghetek> yup
[08:12] <weedar> I'd still love to know how gconfd could shut down my computer last night
[08:12] <dicrapio> i have some images in /boot, i think they're lilo themes, how do i use them?
[08:28] <markc> bah, I was happily debootstrapping amd64 hoary from a 32bit livecd... but this kernel can't run anything in the chroot... doh, almost got it!
[10:05] <ztonzy> hmm, sorry, anyone knows how I change my 'Konsole' output language to english from swedish ?
[10:14] <shogouki> ztonzy: are konsole toolbars in swedish or english ?
[10:15] <ztonzy> shogouki, swedish, but I want to keep that...but it is the terminal output, warnings, error in english
[10:15] <ztonzy> ...that I want :)
[10:15] <ztonzy> if it is do-able
[10:17] <bruno> Hi, I just installed kubuntu 5.04 and I wanted to install tuxracer. kynaptic doesn't show the package when searching for it but when I look on the ubuntu website, it is listed. What gives?
[10:17] <shogouki> ztonzy: sorry i don't know, but its maybe a pref of the shell and not konsole ?
[10:18] <ztonzy> shogouki, yes...just can't recall when and how I did this last time
[10:18] <ztonzy> is it in .bashrc ?
[10:19] <_duende> bruno-: ensure that you have 'universe' in your repositories for ubuntu
[10:19] <shogouki> i dont know, i've got zsh (and i dont know for zsh :)
[10:22] <bruno-> _duende: thanks, what are they for? why aren't they enabled by default?
[10:23] <_duende> because they're not 'official' packages
[10:23] <_duende> afaik
[10:23] <_duende> i'm new to k/ubuntu tho :)
[10:23] <bruno-> _duende: ic
[10:23] <bruno-> _duende: :)
[10:44] <burepe> hi, I allowed azureus to do an update that popped up when i started it and now it tries to start up but never materializes.  Does anyone know how I might fix this?
[10:50] <kimo> reinstall from synaptic
[10:50] <kimo> remove / install 
[10:51] <burepe> tried it 
[10:51] <burepe> nothing changed
[10:58] <_Church_of_Foamy> whats a good p2p program for mp3's and stuff?
[11:25] <kimo> how do I start SUSPEND from kde?
[11:40] <Firetech> burepe: remove it completely, and then install it again...
[11:41] <Firetech> Then run it as root to be able to apply the updates...
[11:50] <Firetech> morning guys.
[11:54] <Firetech> I like international channels... there's almost always someone ging to bed or waking up... :)
[11:55] <sirk> hehe
[11:55] <sirk> :p
[11:55] <Firetech> *going
[11:59] <xxenon> I have a test partition for breezy. KDE just won't start. KDM can start, I type my login name, press enter, then Im back in KDM immediately. Any clue ?
[11:59] <Firetech> see the end of the topic
[11:59] <Firetech> "breezy broken for g++ and dbus fun"
[12:02] <spiral> Firetech: & also see : "PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET -- REALLY" on #ubuntu
[12:03] <dreumah> is there anyway to install ubuntu from kubuntu... is it just gnome version?
[12:03] <spiral> dreumah: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[12:03] <dreumah> what will that do? give me gnome?
[12:04] <spiral> dreumah: yes, and all the deps used in ubuntu
[12:04] <spiral> dreumah: so you'll be able to use either kde or gnome... either kubuntu or ubuntu
[12:04] <spiral> ;-)
[12:04] <Firetech> dreumah: the differences between ubuntu and kubuntu lies in the (k)ubuntu-desktop packages
[12:05] <Firetech> My kubuntu is installed from an ubuntu installation...
[12:05] <dreumah> thank you i shall try... today i am trying to make k/ubuntu work for me so i dont need to swtich to another Linux
[12:05] <Firetech> and i have both gnome and kde installed
[12:05] <spiral> dreumah: it won't be another linux
[12:05] <Firetech> I got tired of gnome
[12:06] <dreumah> how so spiral?
[12:09] <Firetech> dreumah: kubuntu is an integrated distro
[12:10] <dreumah> and the difference then is? from say a normal linux distro?
[12:11] <Firetech> kubuntu/ubuntu uses the same package database.
[12:11] <Firetech> if you compare ubuntu/debian, the don't have the same package database, only the same package system.
[12:12] <dreumah> i see
[12:13] <Firetech> you could almost say that knoppix is an integrated distro into debian. (almost because knoppix has its own packages)
[12:13] <dreumah> i liked knoppix, i had that installed day before yesterday
[12:13] <Firetech> kubuntu is a better choice...
[12:14] <Firetech> knoppix isn't really meant to be installed.
[12:14] <dreumah> but you can, and it works nicely if you do
[12:14] <Firetech> kubuntu has newer KDE...
[12:15] <spiral> and a less messy packaging database...
[12:15] <Firetech> I know you can. My linux migration started off with knoppix (3 days or something like that), then ubuntu and two weeks later, kubuntu
[12:15] <dreumah> certain programs crash on me though... like juk (doesnt play mp3s aswell as crashing constantly)
[12:15] <dreumah> that is in kubuntu
[12:16] <Firetech> the 3.4.1 one seems broken
[12:16] <Firetech> I migrated back to amaroK
[12:16] <spiral> the last time a friend of mine hard-installed a kubuntu... he got a huge mess because of the mix between unstable & testing
[12:16] <spiral> Firetech: I find amaroK better than juK, don't you ?
[12:16] <Firetech> yes
[12:16] <Firetech> but I didn't like the engines of 1.2.3, so I compiles 1.2.4 myself
[12:16] <dreumah> amarok... does it scan for all my mp3s?
[12:17] <Firetech> and I'm now using aKode
[12:17] <spiral> Firetech: ;-)
[12:18] <Firetech> aRts sucked a little too much, Gstreamer sucked 4% CPU when _idle_ and 10% while playing, and Xine made stupid noices, like if you use aRts with too small buffer
[12:21] <Firetech> If I knew how to create a debian package of 1.2.4, I would.
[12:21] <Firetech> Hi, laser_tk
[12:22] <laser_tk> Hi
[12:22] <spiral> Firetech: checkinstall maybe ?
[12:22] <Firetech> ze finnish guy iz here again.
[12:22] <mez> whats the new update for kubuntu
[12:22] <mez> 4:3.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary2
[12:22] <laser_tk> Firetech, newest NVIDIA drivers do not support my Geforse3 :D
[12:22] <Firetech> ouch.
[12:23] <laser_tk> yesterday I installed v. 66.xx drivers
[12:23] <Firetech> did you try the nvidia-glx package?
[12:23] <laser_tk> now everythink works 
[12:23] <laser_tk> Firetech: yes
[12:24] <Firetech> one thing, if you use 6629
[12:24] <laser_tk> what?
[12:24] <laser_tk> yes, 6629 i use
[12:25] <Firetech> 2 sec
[12:25] <laser_tk> yup
[12:26] <Firetech> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=46676 <-- you should apply those patches.
[12:27] <laser_tk> ok, thanks
[12:28] <laser_tk> damn.. no i remembet..:D
[12:28] <dreumah> ok i just install ubuntu desktop--- do i restart now?
[12:28] <Firetech> dreumah: no
[12:28] <Firetech> no need to
[12:28] <Firetech> logout and press ctrl+alt+backspace
[12:29] <Firetech> then select gnome under session
[12:29] <dreumah> aight, i ll do that later now i ll try to get java workin
[12:30] <dreumah> there are no packages for that are there?
[12:30] <dreumah> amd64?
[12:33] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> OMG! the cpu of my doze box just burnt O__o
[12:33] <Firetech> ouch.
[12:34] <dreumah> shit
[12:34] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> that so fucking sucks
[12:35] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> i was just gettin ready to burn a cd :(
[12:39] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> can kubuntu play .mp3 cd's?
[12:41] <morten> Aloha
[01:03] <dreumah> is the ubuntu addon zip package any useful?
[01:22] <burepe> Firetech: you said completly untinstall azureus and I did, but after reinstall it still is doing the same thing as before.  A while back i intalled azureus from the unofficial ubuntu starter guide, but it didn't work.  I got some help and reinstalled azureus and from that time on there were two icons one that worked and one that didn't.  The one that didn't work did what the one that worked is doing now. So when I uninstalled the one that worked an
[01:22] <burepe> d broke the other non-working old one in stll there. So I can't uninstall that so I don't think I am getting a complete uninstall.  Acutally I really have no idea if that is what is causing the problem or not.
[01:23] <Firetech> I've installed the official azureus , I don't really know
[01:25] <dreumah> all the backport packages fail, what can i do?
[01:27] <dreumah> authorization for backports?
[01:28] <burepe> you have to use the mirrors
[01:28] <burepe> they blocked the backports because no one was using the mirrors
[01:28] <dreumah> i am using synaptics, so what do i do?
[01:29] <burepe> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[01:30] <burepe> do this /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:30] <burepe> i mean nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:30] <burepe> and that will let you edit the sources file
[01:30] <RiCo0> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:31] <burepe> follow the directions on the page and change the  web address to one of the mirrors instead
[01:32] <dreumah> but i have a huge list of addresses, which one do i change?
[01:33] <dreumah> actually i have it addec already, under backports, all of the ones given on the page and more
[01:33] <dreumah> is there no example which i can go by?
[01:37] <de`angelo> hello
[01:37] <de`angelo> anybody home
[01:37] <de`angelo> could anyone help me please
[01:37] <Goshawk> hi to all
[01:37] <de`angelo> hi gos
[01:38] <Goshawk> de`angelo: question?
[01:38] <RiCo0> hello Goshawk
[01:39] <Goshawk> folks, i've a suggestion for cameras on kubuntu
[01:39] <Goshawk> why not add digikam program to kubuntu-desktop?
[01:39] <de`angelo> i got lots
[01:39] <Goshawk> it manages pics better than konqueror
[01:39] <de`angelo> any ops around?
[01:40] <Goshawk> de`angelo: no, no any ops where
[01:42] <de`angelo> i c
[01:43] <de`angelo> gos, do you have any idea is kubuntu work with norton ghost
[01:45] <Goshawk> norton????
[01:45] <Goshawk> i don't know what's norton
[01:45] <bruno> Hi, I have installed kubuntu on my laptop but the hard drive stops spinning if it is not accessed for 10 seconds or so. Anyway to extend this time/disable this?
[01:47] <reuben> ..what?
[01:47] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hi,
[01:47] <Goshawk> Alex[RM-UK] : hi
[01:47] <Alex[RM-UK] > How do I get the latest programs, like Firefox 1.04, and the latest Thunderbird and Kopete?
[01:47] <Alex[RM-UK] > I've updated my list but it's still older versions.
[01:48] <Goshawk> Alex[RM-UK] : apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[01:48] <Goshawk> Alex[RM-UK] : with sudo.... so it will be "sudo apt-get updare && apt-get upgrade" if i'm not going wrong
[01:48] <Alex[RM-UK] > just done that now,
[01:49] <Alex[RM-UK] > now I type sudo apt-get mozilla-firefox ?
[01:49] <Goshawk> yes.. if you don't have it
[01:49] <Alex[RM-UK] > I do have it,
[01:50] <Alex[RM-UK] > but not 1.04, I got 10.2
[01:50] <Goshawk> if there is another version on the repo it will be upgraded with "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[01:51] <Goshawk> and yes.. if you wanna upgrade only mozilla
[01:51] <Goshawk> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox should to the work
[01:51] <Alex[RM-UK] > it's still 1.0.2 :(
[01:52] <Goshawk> wait
[01:53] <uniq> enable backports if you want 1.0.4
[01:53] <Goshawk> Alex[RM-UK] : on default repo, firefox is at version 1.0.2
[01:53] <Goshawk> so it's right
[01:53] <Goshawk> if you wanna it you sould follow uniq directives
[01:54] <Alex[RM-UK] > I know, but I'd like 1.0.4
[01:54] <Alex[RM-UK] > uniq, how do I open backports?
[01:54] <uniq> follow this guide: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[01:54] <uniq> instead of 'gedit' you should use 'kwrite'
[01:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > ok, thanks
[01:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > I will follow that later :P
[01:57] <dreumah> why doesnt kopete work with my msn, it always asks me for the correct password although i type the correct one, gaim no problem
[01:57] <dreumah> ?
[01:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > You need the lates version
[01:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > 0.10.1 
[01:58] <uniq> dreumah: make sure you've enabled hoary-updates in your /etc/apt/sources.list and update your system.
[01:58] <dreumah> how do i do that?
[01:58] <Alex[RM-UK] > sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:58] <dreumah> yeah and then
[01:58] <uniq> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[01:58] <uniq> you can follow that guide too.
[01:59] <Firetech> remove the # infront of the line containing hoary-updates
[01:59] <uniq> if you don't want too much unofficial stuff you can disable backports (but putting a # infront of the two lines)
[01:59] <Firetech> hmm
[02:00] <Alex[RM-UK] > there was 4 lines with me with Horay in them
[02:00] <Alex[RM-UK] > I un commented them all
[02:00] <Firetech> I would need a command line function to do the mute function in aumix...
[02:01] <_weedar> Can I safely remove gconf and anything depending on it when using Kubuntu?
[02:02] <uniq> I think so.. try with 'apt-get -s remove gconf'
[02:03] <uniq> -s = simulate.
[02:03] <Alex[RM-UK] > wow, aMSN is ace
[02:03] <_weedar> aw, firefox depends on it, and so does azeurus
[02:04] <uniq> you can reinstall those later.. if you want to remove everthing else.
[02:04] <_weedar> but if I reinstall firefox for example, won't it reinstall gconf since it depends on it?
[02:04] <uniq> that will of course reinstall gconf too.. though.
[02:04] <uniq> yes it will.
[02:05] <uniq> but not all the other gnome-stuff that depends on gconf.
[02:06] <_weedar> uhm, but I really only need to remove gconf, it's breaking my system
[02:06] <uniq> firetech: I played with aumix and muting once.. didn't find a mute function you can call from the commandline.. but you can turn the master volume all down with 'aumix -v 0'
[02:06] <uniq> _weedar: how is it breaking your system? 
[02:07] <Firetech> I know that, but I need a function to return to the old value when running it again...
[02:07] <Firetech> I guess I'll have to do some crazy wrapper ;)
[02:07] <_weedar> example: Last night after I left my computer it received a signal 15 and "cleanly shutdown" my system
[02:09] <Firetech> weedar: there is one alternative, which might break firefox though...
[02:09] <weedar> Firetech: shoot! :)
[02:09] <Firetech> sudo dpkg --force-depends -r gconf
[02:10] <uniq> firetech: it's pretty easy to make a ugly hack to do what you want. you can't use kmix and dcop for your task can you? 
[02:10] <weedar> looks messy, but I'll give a try. worst-case I can always reinstall and everything will be peachy
[02:10] <Firetech> uniq: dcop needs the program to be running, and I don't want kmix running all the time...
[02:11] <Firetech> weedar: You maybe need to reinstall firefox too, but I don't know.
[02:11] <weedar> no big deal if I have to :)
[02:12] <Firetech> uniq: additionally, Linux doesn't want to cooperate with my mixer, so I have to use headphone/pcm2 to set my main volume... main volume is doing noting, as well as most channels except PCM and CD.
[02:13] <weedar> Seems like firefox and azureus still works
[02:13] <Firetech> weedar: good for you :)
[02:13] <weedar> yes, thank you :)
[02:13] <Firetech> you started them after removing gconf, right?
[02:13] <weedar> yes
[02:13] <Firetech> good
[02:14] <Firetech> linux isn't lockinf files like windows... you can uninstall a running program and leave it running afterwards...
[02:15] <weedar> Now all I need to figure out is why azureus wans to update to a newer version (2.3.2 from 2.3.0) but after dl'ing and restarting it still uses 2.3.0
[02:16] <weedar> but it's been that way since I installed Kubuntu a few days ago
[02:20] <uniq> firetech: if you use alsa you can use 'amixer set Master toggle' or for you Master/PCM.
[02:21] <uniq> toggle will toggle mute.. mute/unmute can be used too.
[02:22] <de`angelo> anyone can help me?
[02:23] <de`angelo> does anybody know, is kubuntu can work with Norton Ghost from symantec?
[02:23] <uniq> don't know. why not just try? 
[02:23] <uniq> doesn't northon ghost just copy images of harddisks over the network? 
[02:24] <Firetech> uniq: just noticed that a mute script comes with aumix... /usr/bin/mute
[02:24] <de`angelo> cause i had this problems with linspire
[02:24] <uniq> can't see why that wouldn't work.. but i've heard alot of not-so-good-things about norton ghost.
[02:24] <uniq> firetech: oh.. didn't know :)
[02:24] <Firetech> me neither
[02:24] <uniq> a simple 'mute' actually :)
[02:24] <de`angelo> any idea for ghost's replacement
[02:25] <uniq> way too intuitive for me to discover :)
[02:25] <de`angelo> cause i really need a clonning softwrare for my network place
[02:26] <weedar> Most places I have worked used ghost to install software on their computers, although I never really used myself other than to install images
[02:26] <de`angelo> my office have 25 computers, and i need to install linux os on them
[02:26] <uniq> de`angelo: try partimage
[02:27] <de`angelo> uniq: partimage?
[02:27] <Firetech> uniq: your amixer command worked too, so I think  I'll use that rather than modding /usr/bin/mute, which clobber my settings...
[02:27] <uniq> de`angelo: yes. there is a package called 'partimage'
[02:28] <de`angelo> uniq: okay i 'll google it
[02:28] <uniq> de`angelo: partimage.org
[02:28] <de`angelo> is this partimage under linux?
[02:28] <uniq> sure.
[02:30] <de`angelo> uniq: i 'm reading it
[02:30] <de`angelo> uniq: thanks
[02:30] <uniq> no problem, hope it'll work for you.
[02:31] <de`angelo> hope so
[02:31] <de`angelo> anyway,
[02:32] <de`angelo> which one you'd prefer to use? linspire or kubuntu?
[02:34] <Firetech> de`angelo: linspire has (according to what I've read) poor performance, and is made for new users of linux
[02:34] <Firetech> kubuntu is more for computer experienced users not afraid of learning new stuff.
[02:36] <Firetech> additionally, comparing the costs of the OS: kubuntu is free (as in freedom AND free beer), linspire costs some money
[02:36] <Firetech> less than windows, but anyway...
[02:36] <Firetech> away.
[02:39] <de`angelo> ic
[02:41] <de`angelo> thanks for your infos
[02:41] <de`angelo> i'm absolutely kubuntus
[02:41] <de`angelo> anyway
[02:42] <de`angelo> for this partiimage
[02:43] <de`angelo> which one i should ddownload?
[02:52] <de`angelo> i've figured it out
[02:52] <de`angelo> thanks
[02:53] <de`angelo> uniq
[02:53] <de`angelo> ru still there?
[02:55] <uniq> yes.
[02:56] <de`angelo> is kubuntu required to install any hardware's driver manually?
[02:56] <uniq> depends.
[02:56] <de`angelo> i mean not automatically detect?
[02:56] <de`angelo> on ?
[02:56] <uniq> the hardware.
[02:56] <uniq> if it's supported out of the box or not.
[02:57] <de`angelo> as far as you know, is kubuntu have complete enough libs as xp does?
[03:00] <de`angelo> because linspire does, but as firetech said, yes it has poor performance
[03:16] <mikl> hmmm, for some reason, Quanta steals the default action for all URLs - how do I change that?
[03:22] <RiCo0> hello .. 
[03:22] <_linkin_> hio
[03:22] <_linkin_> ^^
[03:23] <RiCo0> i want to change my permissions to write on my ntfs partiotions .. anyone ?
[03:23] <_linkin_> hehe
[03:23] <_linkin_> thats not a good idea :D
[03:23] <RiCo0> =D
[03:23] <RiCo0> why is that ?
[03:24] <_linkin_> because... you can't write perfectly on a NTFS Partition
[03:24] <RiCo0> hmm what do u mean by "perfectly" !?
[03:25] <_linkin_> MS don't want share his knownbase of the NTFS-Technology ... with Linux
[03:25] <RiCo0> aha .. ok
[03:25] <RiCo0> they don't share anything :S
[03:25] <RiCo0> =P
[03:26] <_linkin_> it isn't a great idea to test it with your ntfs-Partition...
[03:26] <_linkin_> after it... you can format it once again :D
[03:26] <RiCo0> hehe no thanks :P
[03:27] <_linkin_> you can read from it... but don't try write on it ;)
[03:27] <RiCo0> yea :P i knew that
[03:27] <RiCo0> hehe
[03:27] <RiCo0> anyway ..there;s the java runtime thing with the firefox ? how can i get to insall it ?
[03:27] <RiCo0> i tried installing j2re 
[03:28] <RiCo0> didn't work
[03:28] <_linkin_> :X
[03:28] <MichaelDiederich> RiCo0: on ubuntuguide.org is an guided instruction
[03:28] <MichaelDiederich> s/an/a/1
[03:28] <_linkin_> :) correct
[03:28] <_linkin_> ^^
[03:29] <RiCo0> :$
[03:29] <RiCo0> hehe aight :P
[03:29] <RiCo0> checkign
[03:30] <RiCo0> E: Couldn't find package sun-j2re1.5
[03:30] <RiCo0> E: Couldn't find package sun-j2re1.5
[03:30] <RiCo0> E: Couldn't find package sun-j2re1.5
[03:30] <RiCo0> by mistake .. 
[03:30] <RiCo0> anyway .. didn't find the package
[03:31] <_linkin_> apt-get cache j2re
[03:31] <_linkin_> hmm
[03:31] <RiCo0> btw .. i tried java -version
[03:31] <_linkin_> or so: apt-cache search j2re? 
[03:31] <MichaelDiederich> sun-j2re
[03:32] <RiCo0> java version "1.4.2"
[03:32] <_linkin_> it's not easy without ubuntu :P
[03:32] <RiCo0> but it's not compatible with firefox
[03:32] <RiCo0> hmm anyway .. forget about the java thing :P
[03:33] <_linkin_> i don't need it for my firefox...
[03:39] <RiCo0> Realpayer doesn't support RM !?:|
[03:39] <_linkin_> o.O
[03:39] <RiCo0> Unsupported document type. (file:///home/raji/Desktop/Documents/SouthPark/Southpark 906 - The Death of Eric Cartman.rm)
[03:39] <_linkin_> hehe southpark :D
[03:40] <RiCo0> hehe
[03:40] <_linkin_> hmm
[03:40] <RiCo0> that's Realplayer btw
[03:40] <RiCo0> :P
[03:40] <RiCo0> i just installed it
[03:40] <_linkin_> do you have open it by this program?
[03:40] <RiCo0> it worked just fine 
[03:40] <RiCo0> yea
[03:40] <_linkin_> or only double clicking on the icon? :D
[03:40] <_linkin_> hm
[03:40] <RiCo0> nop ... i opened it WITH realplayer :P
[03:40] <_linkin_> could it be, that you must download a codec?
[03:41] <_linkin_> rm-codec?
[03:41] <RiCo0> i'll check 
[03:43] <RiCo0> nop
[03:43] <RiCo0> there'e nothing :P 
[03:49] <RiCo0> ok then .. no rm files for me :P
[03:49] <RiCo0> i'll stick to avi and mpeg 
[03:49] <RiCo0> =D
[03:49] <_linkin_> mom
[03:49] <RiCo0> hen !? 
[03:50] <_linkin_> hmm
[03:51] <_linkin_> do you know the MPlayer ?
[03:51] <RiCo0> heard of it .. never tried it
[03:51] <RiCo0> i'll check it
[03:52] <_linkin_> he use the realplayer8 or RealONE files to encode it...
[03:52] <_linkin_> and play it :P
[03:52] <RiCo0> wow .. that seems great
[03:52] <RiCo0> :P
[03:52] <RiCo0> i just deleted all my files on the Desktop
[03:52] <RiCo0> :P
[03:53] <RiCo0> :> hehe
[03:53] <_linkin_> ...
[03:53] <_linkin_> o.O
[03:53] <_linkin_> LOL
[03:53] <RiCo0> raji@RiCo:~/Desktop$ sudo rm *  jre1.5.0_02/
[03:53] <RiCo0> =P
[03:53] <_linkin_> LOL
[03:53] <RiCo0> i though this would delete all the files inside the folder :>
[03:53] <RiCo0> hehehe
[03:54] <RiCo0> anyway .. how can i delete this folder ? :P
[03:54] <RiCo0> jre?
[03:54] <_linkin_> RM -d ?
[03:54] <RiCo0> oh ok :>
[03:54] <RiCo0> hehe
[03:54] <RiCo0> don';t laugh at me ok ?:@
[03:54] <_linkin_> or something like... that...
[03:54] <RiCo0> :P
[03:54] <shogouki> rm -rf jre
[03:55] <_linkin_> ah
[03:55] <_linkin_> that :D
[03:55] <_linkin_> ^^
[03:55] <RiCo0> -rf ? or -d ?:P
[03:55] <_linkin_> removefolder
[03:55] <RiCo0> oh ok :>
[03:55] <shogouki> rf = recursive force
[03:55] <_linkin_> oki :P
[03:55] <_linkin_> ^^
[03:55] <RiCo0> hehehe
[03:56] <RiCo0> ok thanks =)
[04:00] <RiCo0> btw am busy re-creating my shortcuts :P
[04:06] <RiCo0> ok 
[04:06] <RiCo0> :P
[04:12] <apollo2011> Starting Azureus...
[04:12] <apollo2011> Java exec found in PATH. Verifying...
[04:12] <apollo2011> Suitable java version found [java = 1.5.0_02] 
[04:12] <apollo2011> Configuring environment...
[04:12] <apollo2011> Loading Azureus:
[04:12] <apollo2011> java -Xms16m -Xmx128m -cp "/usr/bin/*.jar" -Djava.library.path="/usr/bin" -Dazureus.install.path="/usr/bin" org.gudy.azureus2.ui.swt.Main ''
[04:12] <apollo2011> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/gudy/azureus2/ui/swt/Main
[04:12] <apollo2011> Azureus TERMINATED.
[04:12] <apollo2011> I installed Java and Azureus manually on my system and got them working fine, was able to download a Knoppix torrent.  But now, when I start Azureus in the console, I get this output:
[04:18] <alex_> Hello
[04:18] <alex_> I need a bit of help :(
[04:18] <RiCo0> alex_ u just post ur question ..
[04:19] <alex_> I was having some errors ./configure a theme, so I went to google typed in the error and it said to remove libs ... so I found libs.somehitng.s
[04:19] <alex_> and deleted it...not it wont start KDE...what do package do I need to get libs back?
[04:21] <alex_> the file was in /usr/lib/lib.something.s I think
[04:22] <RiCo0> something ???
[04:22] <alex_> a version number I think
[04:22] <alex_> lib.2.s 
[04:22] <alex_> not 100% sure
[04:23] <RiCo0> i dont; know
[04:23] <alex_> bum
[04:23] <alex_> I got it
[04:23] <alex_> libz.so.1
[04:23] <alex_> I just went startx and it came up with an error saying it cane find libz.so.1
[04:24] <alex_> thats the file I got rid of. How do I get it back?
[04:25] <RiCo0> wait
[04:26] <RiCo0> try sudo apt-get install zlib1g
[04:26] <_ali> hello
[04:26] <RiCo0> am not sure .. but why don't u try it
[04:26] <apollo2011> I installed Java and Azureus manually on my system and got them working fine, was able to download a Knoppix torrent.  But now, when I start Azureus in the console, I get this output:http://pastebin.com/295066
[04:27] <RiCo0> u can still connect to the internet . right ?
[04:27] <uniq> alex_: apt-get --reinstall install zlib1g
[04:27] <alex_> ij
[04:27] <alex_> ok*
[04:28] <RiCo0> and let me know if it worked :>
[04:31] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hey,
[04:31] <Alex[RM-UK] > What uniq said worked :)
[04:32] <Alex[RM-UK] > Thanks 
[04:32] <RiCo0> good =D
[04:33] <RiCo0> btw uniq .. why he have to put the --reinstall thing ? cant he just install ?
[04:33] <RiCo0> he has**
[04:33] <Alex[RM-UK] > no, it said it was already latest version
[04:33] <Alex[RM-UK] > so reinstall...reinstalled it
[04:33] <RiCo0> ohh .. isee
[04:46] <mez> http://www.deviantart.com/view/19063177/ - what you guys think
[04:48] <RiCo0> great 
[04:48] <mez> http://browse.deviantart.com/wallpaper/minimalistic/?view=1&order=5&limit=24 the others :D
[04:48] <RiCo0> i'll check them
[04:48] <RiCo0> :P
[04:48] <markc> mez> very good... makes me want to put my sunglasses on tho :)
[04:48] <chx> Hi. Is there a Kubuntu package to make GPG easy to use?
[04:49] <mez> lol :D yeah - theres a few mores ... lol :D I'm just playing with the gimp and making a few simple ones
[04:49] <uniq> chx: kgpg
[04:49] <MichaelDiederich> to much white for my taste
[04:50] <mez> http://browse.deviantart.com/wallpaper/minimalistic/?view=1&order=5&limit=24 <-- theresd a few more there I'e made *(towards the top)
[04:50] <RiCo0> i guess it's the best one u made
[04:51] <markc> mez> what font is that ?
[04:52] <mez> what font?
[04:52] <mez> It's whatever the ubuntu logo uses - I'm using the main ubuntu logo :D
[04:52] <RiCo0> hehe
[04:52] <mez> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/19063508/
[04:52] <mez> thats anice one :D
[04:53] <RiCo0> that's a good one too
[04:53] <RiCo0> =D
[04:55] <mez> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/19063559/ <-- attempt at trying underwater" look
[04:57] <RiCo0> wow that's nice
[04:57] <RiCo0> need more work on the colors .. 
[04:57] <othernoob> mez looks good
[04:57] <RiCo0> =D
[04:57] <mez> lol :d ah well
[04:58] <RiCo0> hehe
[04:58] <mez> this next one is gonna come out funky :D 
[04:58] <mez> lol
[04:58] <mez> really weird
[04:58] <mez> I'll show when done
[04:58] <chx> tanks for the kgpg tip. Now KMail says: The signature is valid, but the key is untrusted.
[04:58] <mez> *growls at sparkling taking so long&
[05:00] <chx> what could I do so this message goes away or show me that the key is trusted, as it is?
[05:02] <mez> well, you set in kgpg that you trust the key (mainly by signing it)
[05:06] <weedar> To get tv-out working on a nvidia card nvtv is the only way to do it?
[05:07] <RiCo0> ok am out now
[05:07] <RiCo0> bubye
[05:08] <RiCo0> mez .. i'll check the wallpapers later =d
[05:09] <chx> mez: thanks. 
[05:09] <Alex-RM-UK> Hi,
[05:10] <Alex-RM-UK> I have a file on my PC called kdocker_1.2-1_i386.deb and I would like to install it. How do I do this is apt-get or anything else?
[05:10] <gdh> 'dpkg -i ' will let you try to install .debs
[05:10] <robin_> topic
[05:11] <robin_> eh.
[05:11] <robin_> :)
[05:11] <gdh> if you 'just downloaded it from the net' then you'll probably find the dependencies are broken.
[05:11] <Alex-RM-UK> bum, I'll try anyway
[05:11] <gdh> i.e. if it was pacakged for Debian sid/testing etc.
[05:12] <Alex-RM-UK> well, no errors...not sure where it install to though lol
[05:12] <gdh> dpkg -L kdocker will tell you what it installed
[05:13] <Alex-RM-UK> I got it
[05:16] <Alex-RM-UK> bye
[05:20] <mikl> sigh, why is bogofilter still broken
[05:30] <Alex[RM-UK] > I found a site a while back that had a list of good Windows Emultors, some Paid some Free. Any one know of that site?
[05:30] <Alex[RM-UK] > Or if anyone knows of a good Paid windows emulator, I'd like to know :P
[05:35] <gdh> vmware ?
[05:35] <gdh> qemu is apparently good, but I never had much luck with it.
[05:36] <Alex[RM-UK] > I will try them later
[05:37] <markc> I've used qemu for testing iso images, very slow
[05:37] <Alex[RM-UK] > by the way, how do I get the Trash Icon on my desktop? it wasnt there by default and I dont know how to get it
[05:37] <Alex[RM-UK] > oh right
[05:40] <Alex[RM-UK] > anyone know?
[05:40] <markc> Alex[RM-UK] > for a desktop Trashcan, I think you need to create the "trash.desktop" file inside your Desktop folder... needs to have the right entries in it
[05:41] <Alex[RM-UK] > ok
[05:41] <Alex[RM-UK] > OH wait, its there in my folder - but not on dekstop
[05:42] <Alex[RM-UK] > hum werid
[05:43] <markc> has it got about 8 lines in it .. starting with [Desktop Entry]  ?
[05:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > yes
[05:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > [Desktop Entry] 
[05:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > Type=Link
[05:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > URL=trash:/
[05:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > Encoding=UTF-8
[05:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > Icon=trashcan_full
[05:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > EmptyIcon=trashcan_empty
[05:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hidden=true
[05:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > Name=Trash
[05:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > thats the first copule of lines
[05:43] <markc> finishing with URL=trash:/ ?
[05:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > no, thats 3rd line
[05:43] <jkeel> you can just create a link to trash:/
[05:44] <markc> ah
[05:46] <buz> is there a deb of the latest binary ati drivers?
[05:46] <Alex[RM-UK] > I created a link to trash:/ but when I put things in the trash ... the icon doesnt change
[05:46] <Alex[RM-UK] > I need to add a lin in the file, but what code?
[05:47] <jkeel> yeah...that was the problem for me, too
[05:47] <markc> if you RMB over it  does it have Empty trash bin ?
[05:47] <Alex[RM-UK] > yes
[05:47] <Alex[RM-UK] > I know how to solve it..just dont know the code used for it
[05:47] <markc> it's a real trash then
[05:47] <jkeel> but what I was surprised about was that it put the correct right-menu entries in there :)
[05:48] <Alex[RM-UK] > EmptyIcon=trashcan_empty
[05:48] <Alex[RM-UK] > Put that code in Trash.desktop
[05:48] <Alex[RM-UK] > and change Icon=trashcan_empty to trashcan_full
[05:49] <Alex[RM-UK] > hehe it works
[05:49] <markc> cool
[05:49] <Alex[RM-UK] > 1 down, 1 to go ..next up ...Services icon
[05:50] <jkeel> sweet
[05:50] <Alex[RM-UK] > anyone know the URL to the servies? like in Konqueor on the left hand side?
[05:50] <markc> Services Icon ? .. me never heard of that one
[05:51] <Alex[RM-UK] > open up Konqueror
[05:51] <markc> yes
[05:51] <Alex[RM-UK] > press F9 if you havnt already got the menu bar on the left open
[05:51] <markc> puts glasses on
[05:52] <Alex[RM-UK] > then below the ROOT icon, there is a Services Icon, when you click it it comes up with Storage media, Settings etc
[05:52] <Alex[RM-UK] > I want a link to that on the desktop..but dont know how :(
[05:52] <markc> yes, that would be cool
[05:52] <Alex[RM-UK] > like a Linux 'My Computer' I suppose
[05:54] <markc> URL=media:/ might be pretty close
[05:54] <Alex[RM-UK] > yeh suppose that's good. thanks
[05:54] <KaiL_> markc: or even system:/
[05:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > :P:P:P:P
[05:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > :) wayyyy 
[05:55] <markc> yes, that's the one, thanks KaiL
[05:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > thanks :)
[05:56] <markc> hmm, anyone have  audiocd:/ working ?
[05:56] <markc> Mines says "could not read /."
[05:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > never used it,
[05:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > is there a CD in? lol
[05:57] <KaiL_> same here, but as I have no audio CD..:)
[05:57] <mez> lol
[05:57] <mez> "higly fuzzy clock"
[05:57] <mez> weekend
[05:57] <mez> I love it
[05:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > lol yeh, its greay
[05:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > great*
[05:58] <markc>  <cough> ah yes... put in an audio  cd and it works, doh :)
[05:58] <Alex[RM-UK] > haha :P
[06:07] <Alex[RM-UK] > http://www.schultz-net.dk/xmms.html
[06:07] <Alex[RM-UK] > nice XMMS themes there :P
[06:14] <digby> I was trying to compile KMyMoney2, and I get the error "Can't fid X includes.  Please check your installations and add the correct paths!" - I assume I need some sort of dev package for X.  Anyone know the package name off hand?
[06:15] <Alex[RM-UK] > type the whole error into google,
[06:15] <Alex[RM-UK] > see what it brings up ;-)
[06:46] <nakata> http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df200408/df20040818.jpg :D
[07:04] <Firetech> How do I remove a user group? (trixing with a debian system, but you guys might now...)
[07:05] <uniq> delgroup
[07:06] <Firetech> that command doesn't exist
[07:06] <uniq> what? 
[07:06] <uniq> apt-get install adduser then.
[07:06] <Firetech> It's a debian system
[07:07] <nakata> heh
[07:07] <uniq> i have a debian system.
[07:07] <nakata> Firetech: edit /etc/group
[07:07] <nakata> delete the line with the group name you want to kill
[07:07] <Firetech> is that safe?
[07:07] <nakata> yeah
[07:07] <Firetech> ok
[07:07] <uniq> it's not recommended.
[07:07] <uniq> use delgroup
[07:07] <uniq> it's there.
[07:07] <uniq>  /usr/sbin/delgroup
[07:07] <nakata> he's probably not root
[07:08] <uniq> then he shouldn't delete groups either.
[07:08] <uniq> :=)
[07:08] <nakata> groupdel works
[07:08] <Firetech> it worked.
[07:08] <Firetech> I'm not root, but I'm sudo...
[07:09] <Firetech> I just realized why it wasn't there...
[07:09] <uniq> not in your path? 
[07:09] <Firetech> only root has the sbin folders in his path
[07:10] <uniq> sudo -i :)
[07:10] <Firetech> yup
[07:11] <Firetech> the root user is set in ubuntu style on that comp...
[07:11] <Firetech> e.g. locked.
[07:13] <dooglio> sudo -i
[07:20] <marcelo> Would anyone have the patience of helping me set my soundcard properly? I use hoary. I have a SB Live, model 0410. The problems are: mic isn't working. Alsa is choppy. OSS seems to be ok.
[07:20] <Varanger> I have Ubuntu, how can I change it to Kubuntu without the downloading a new ISO ???
[07:20] <KaiL_> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:21] <marcelo> Kaffeine only works under xine.
[07:21] <marcelo> I have deactivated KDE's sound system....
[07:21] <Varanger> thnaks!
[07:21] <marcelo> Amarok works, using a xine engine.
[07:22] <marcelo> But I'd really like to be able to use alsa.
[07:22] <KaiL_> marcelo: reenable artsd *g* and be shure, that it's realtime priority is enabled.
[07:22] <KaiL_> and then enable universe in /etc/apt/sources.list and install akode-mpeg.
[07:22] <marcelo> ... well, Kail.... last time they advised me to disable artsd...
[07:23] <marcelo> Kail... And what does arts have to do with alsa?
[07:23] <KaiL_> who did this?
[07:23] <marcelo> crimsun was one who advised me.
[07:23] <marcelo> plus a few other guys.
[07:24] <KaiL_> and why should this solve any problem?
[07:24] <marcelo> KaiL...    what does akode-mpeg do?
[07:24] <KaiL_> except blocked audio is some very specific situations..?
[07:24] <KaiL_> it's a lib to play several kinds of mpeg (inkluding mp3) with lower cpu load
[07:24] <marcelo> I don't know why exactly. All I know is that now I can at least play mp3s...
[07:25] <marcelo> ok... I'll get to it.
[07:25] <KaiL_> if you install kubuntu and change NOTHING, you can play MP3 :)
[07:25] <marcelo> No I couldn't.
[07:25] <KaiL_> then we have a bug...
[07:26] <marcelo> akode being downloaded.
[07:26] <marcelo> Are you sure my soundcard model is truly supported?
[07:27] <KaiL_> SB Live?
[07:27] <marcelo> yes.
[07:27] <_Church_of_Foamy> anyone know of a good weather program?
[07:27] <KaiL_> well, I'd wonder very much, if there's any creative card, which isn't
[07:27] <KaiL_> (more: any even a little bit common soundcard at all, which isn't)
[07:28] <marcelo> ... why doesn't mic level appears in any mixer programs?
[07:28] <KaiL_> it should on the second tab in kmix
[07:29] <marcelo> it isn't.
[07:29] <marcelo> There's the "input" tab. But nothing written on it.
[07:29] <digby> church: liquid weather that runs under superkaramba is good
[07:29] <KaiL_> marcelo: did you install kubuntu over some other system (sarge?)
[07:29] <marcelo> nope.
[07:30] <marcelo> Got it from a friend. Don't know the source...
[07:30] <KaiL_> very strange imho
[07:30] <marcelo> indeed.
[07:32] <marcelo> ca0106 is what I'm using, instead of emu10k1 which I previously thought would be the proper driver...
[07:32] <mikl> what package contains the helvetica font?
[07:32] <marcelo> But, since it's working, at least with xine...
[07:32] <KaiL_> why shouldn't it be emu10k1?
[07:33] <marcelo> don't know, man. Crimsun, again, gave me that one.
[07:33] <KaiL_> and even more: which one selects kubuntu as long as you do nothing manually?
[07:33] <marcelo> None.
[07:33] <marcelo> None, really!
[07:33] <KaiL_> ah, here...
[07:33] <KaiL_> Sound Blaster Live 24bit -> ca0106
[07:33] <marcelo> right, then.
[07:37] <KaiL_> "You can't get mic capture from a CA0106.  Creative has not released the necessary documentation to implement it." :(
[07:37] <KaiL_> gar
[07:37] <marcelo> oh... so...? It just won't work?
[07:37] <KaiL_> not yet
[07:37] <marcelo> that sucks! What then?
[07:38] <KaiL_> I wonder, why creative did this...
[07:38] <KaiL_> this ca0106 seams to be some crap..
[07:38] <marcelo> agreed.
[07:39] <KaiL_> some extreme-lowcoast card?
[07:39] <marcelo> yup...
[07:39] <marcelo> extreme for SB standards..
[07:39] <KaiL_> 29 eur here... uhm, yes
[07:39] <KaiL_> that IS lowcost
[07:40] <marcelo> Not as low as things available around here...
[07:40] <marcelo> Nonetheless... 
[07:40] <KaiL_> you mean this 5eur cards from vendors nobody knows? :)
[07:41] <marcelo> yes.
[07:41] <marcelo> that's brazil, friend
[07:42] <KaiL_> it's not that much better here in europe
[07:42] <KaiL_> you could get good hardware, if you search
[07:42] <marcelo> not where I live, no.
[07:42] <marcelo> Northeast.... couldn't get any worse.
[07:43] <KaiL_> but many users seam to think, that the prize is the only argument and buy only real crap
[07:43] <marcelo> unless i pay more than i could handle.
[07:43] <KaiL_> are there many linux users in brasil?
[07:43] <marcelo> many
[07:43] <MichaelDiederich> yes
[07:43] <KaiL_> here it's still a "freak-system"
[07:44] <KaiL_> MichaelDiederich: it's better to ask somebody from there
[07:45] <MichaelDiederich> i had some e-penpal there, i know what i am talking about :)
[07:45] <KaiL_> in Asia for example are many countries, which do anything for linux, but nobody really uses it
[07:45] <KaiL_> they only use illegally copied Windows
[07:46] <MichaelDiederich> when windows continues with the licences and the activation, just wait.. or longhorn..
[07:47] <KaiL_> you saw this "Starter Edition"?
[07:47] <_marcelo> not as many as it should.
[07:47] <KaiL_> that's really a baaad joke..
[07:47] <_marcelo> sorry... got disconnected...
[07:47] <MichaelDiederich> yes, i read it
[07:48] <KaiL_> marcelo: would you call a 350eur computer with a extremely reduced windows version (no LAN, only 3 apps, no users...) something interesting?
[07:48] <_marcelo> not really, no.
[07:49] <MichaelDiederich> depence on the hardware
[07:49] <KaiL_> that's an MS offer for India (where 350eur is the average yearly (!) income...)
[07:49] <MichaelDiederich> p4 with 3.5Ghz and 200GB HDD.. yes.. :)
[07:49] <KaiL_> MichaelDiederich: expect more 1GHz Duron with 128MiB RAM and 20GB hd
[07:50] <MichaelDiederich> surely not
[07:50] <_marcelo> So, Kail... no hope for me, huh? Do you think someone's ever gonna improve the driver for my sound card?
[07:50] <KaiL_> _marcelo: I hope and think, it'll get better with the time
[07:51] <_marcelo> how much do you think I should be waiting?
[07:51] <_marcelo> months?
[07:51] <_marcelo> years?
[07:51] <_Church_of_Foamy> does gkrellm actually use cpu power?
[07:52] <KaiL_> nobody know, when creative will give out the spec..
[07:52] <_marcelo> that sucks....
[07:52] <KaiL_> _Church_of_Foamy: nothing relevant
[07:52] <_marcelo> how much do you think evil gates pays them?
[07:52] <KaiL_> no idea
[07:53] <KaiL_> I don't even know, why creatie didn't already gave out the spec, as they normally do
[07:53] <_Church_of_Foamy> weard it records me as using a steady 12-15% cpu i sut it off and use the cpu meter in the kbar
[07:53] <_Church_of_Foamy> and it says 100% free
[07:53] <_marcelo> that is sad....
[07:53] <_Church_of_Foamy> which one should i beleve?
[07:53] <KaiL_> http://opensource.creative.com might give some information... if it'll load...
[07:54] <_marcelo> thanks for the tip.
[07:54] <_marcelo> I'll keep in tune.
[07:55] <_marcelo> well... I'm leaving. Thanks, KaiL for your attention.
[08:05] <spiral> hello
[08:05] <spiral> has anyone an idea about when will koffice 1.4rc1 be packaged for kubuntu hoary ?
[08:18] <crimsun> KaiL_: actually jcdutton has implemented capture for the ca0106 cards. It was checked into cvs last week.
[08:18] <KaiL_> so will come with alsa 1.0.10?
[08:19] <crimsun> yep, or cvs can be used
[08:19] <KaiL_> to late for breezy :/
[08:19] <crimsun> I doubt it.
[08:19] <KaiL_> maybe we can somebody to patch out alsa packages? :)
[08:20] <nakata> breezy has 4.5 months left or something
[08:20] <nakata> when is it 'frozen'?
[08:21] <crimsun> not until sept
[08:46] <wizzard> y0
[08:51] <wizzard> is anybody here?
[08:51] <Dent> ...yeah
[08:51] <wizzard> sorry, can you help me? 
[08:51] <Dent> not so far
[08:51] <wizzard> I have a lame question, how to install a deb a package in Kubuntu?
[08:52] <wizzard> I downloaded it already
[08:52] <wizzard> apt-get does not work
[08:52] <Dent> dpkg -i <file>
[08:52] <Dent> ahhh, i can help!
[08:52] <Dent> you see, the prerequisite seemed to be the question.
[08:52] <Dent> ;)
[08:52] <wizzard> thank you very much :p
[08:54] <wizzard> which distro do u have?
[08:54] <Dent> guess.
[08:54] <wizzard> Debian? :p
[08:54] <Dent> FADORA COAR 3
[08:55] <wizzard> ...
[08:55] <Dent> WIF KAY DEE EE
[08:55] <Dent> :\
[08:55] <wizzard> you think that Kubuntu is a good distro for a begineer?
[08:55] <Dent> putting 'linux' and 'beginner' together always causes issues.
[08:55] <sproingie> we all hate kubuntu.  we created the channel so we could say bad things about it
[08:55] <wizzard> fine :p
[08:55] <Dent> personally, i think 'beginners' should go get a mac.
[08:56] <Dent> i wish people would go back to whatever 3rd world desktop they were using before, personally :\
[08:56] <wizzard> everybody was a begineer 
[08:56] <shogouki> 'beginners with too much money'
[08:56] <sproingie> and they do.  then people wonder why companies don't port drivers to linux
[08:56] <Dent> but kubuntu is easy, for me.
[08:56] <Dent> sproingie: the same people who go back wonder that.
[08:56] <Dent> so it's a null arg, really.
[08:56] <dioxcorp> hola, algun espaol
[08:56] <Dent> dioxcorp: hola!  stfu~!
[08:56] <Dent> :D
[08:57] <wizzard> you know how to resolve a font problem in KDE? I installed some GTK packages and all the fonts are completely a mess
[08:57] <Dent> wizzard: run the gnome control centre
[08:57] <Dent> if it's what does the font crap, anyway
[08:58] <wizzard> yep, I tried it, but the problem persists after X-windows reboot
[08:58] <Dent> sorry to hear that.
[08:58] <sproingie> kde doesnt have much to do with gtk's choice of fonts
[08:58] <Dent> click the save button this time? :)
[08:58] <Dent> well, it may be generating the gtkrc, actually
[08:58] <Dent> ls ~/.gtkrc
[08:58] <Dent> err
[08:58] <Dent> ls ~/.gtkrc -flh
[08:59] <Dent> should print a date/time
[08:59] <Dent> if it's recent, then kde is probably doing it
[09:24] <toran> where can I get kcolorchooser? it doesn't seem to be part of kubuntu by default
[09:26] <bobbyd> hi
[09:27] <bobbyd> can anyone tell me where the screen R&R utility is in kubuntu?
[09:27] <Dent> r&r?
[09:27] <Dent> not what i think it means, is it?  (rest and relaxation)
[09:27] <toran> resolution and resize, methinks
[09:28] <bobbyd> Dent: sorry, screen resize and rotate
[09:28] <bobbyd> and should I be editing my xorg.conf by hand?
[09:29] <Dent> euh
[09:29] <Dent> i dunno, i do
[09:29] <Dent> with little consequence
[09:29] <Dent> screen resize...
[09:29] <Dent> as in, resolution?
[09:30] <Dent> whatever's in the Control Centre=>Peripherals=>Display
[09:30] <Dent> if it's not there, you'll have to edit your config, most likely.
[09:31] <bobbyd> Dent: there's a little utility to let you change res from a menu on the fly. I'll find it thanks :)
[09:31] <toran> where can I get kcolorchooser or a similar color picker? it doesn't seem to be part of kubuntu by default
[09:39] <DickJack> hello
[09:43] <uniq> toran: get kcoloredit
[09:43] <toran> hmm
[09:43] <toran> thanks a lot man!
[09:43] <toran> why did they rename it?
[09:43] <toran> >.<
[09:44] <uniq> don't know. is it renamed? :)
[09:44] <uniq> not the application i use every day.
[09:45] <uniq> bobbyd: alt+f2 'kcmshell randr' enter - looking for that one? 
[09:47] <Dent> haha
[09:47] <Dent> big segfault on that one uniq
[09:47] <bobbyd> uniq: yeah, it segfaults
[09:48] <uniq> oh.. 
[09:48] <uniq> which kde version? 
[09:48] <Dent> not uniq's fault i don't think :D
[09:48] <uniq> kubuntu with updates? 
[09:48] <Dent> kubuntu 5.4, updated.
[09:49] <uniq> 3.4.1 updated or plain hoary-updates and security updated kubuntu? 
[09:49] <bobbyd> uniq: whatever i get from the download CD plus and update
[09:49] <Dent> hoary updates
[09:49] <Dent> kubuntu 5.4 (hoary)
[09:49] <uniq> hum.. it works on ppc.
[09:49] <Dent> kde 3.4
[09:49] <Dent> works on amd64 too
[09:50] <Dent> #4  0xb6bc25c6 in XRRQueryExtension () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libXrandr.so.2
[09:50] <Dent> #5  0xb66af2af in test_randr () from /usr/lib/kde3/kcm_randr.so
[09:50] <Dent> :\
[09:50] <Dent> must be the nvidia driver.
[09:50] <Dent> bobbyd: nvidia?
[09:51] <uniq> does it work if you go to the control center -> peripherals - display ? 
[09:51] <Dent> yep
[09:51] <morten> Hey... when will the new kubuntu be released ??
[09:51] <bobbyd> Dent: yes
[09:51] <uniq> 2005.10
[09:52] <uniq> october/november
[09:52] <morten> Wont there come any.. pre-release....
[09:52] <morten> like, unstable thingie...
[09:52] <uniq> sure, but i don't recommend upgrading yet.
[09:52] <uniq> you can however get the kde 3.4.1 packages from the deb-source mentioned in the topic. if you haven't already.
[09:53] <morten> hehe, well, just curious... Getting a new Hdd for my lappie this monday... been using a live cd for over an week now..
[09:53] <uniq> hehe.. i'd recommend kubuntu 5.04 for that.
[09:54] <morten> Mkay... else I\ll try windows once again
[09:54] <uniq> no! :)
[09:54] <osh_> Any good reason for upgrading kde to 3.4.1?
[09:54] <uniq> osh_: less bugs.
[09:54] <Dent> what bugs?
[09:55] <Dent> :)
[09:55] <osh_> uniq: any new features? I haven't been hit by any bugs yet.
[09:55] <uniq> haven't experienced konq crashes after upgrading.. among others.
[09:55] <morten> ... will beagle be in the next ubuntu release ?
[09:55] <uniq> osh_: it's a bugfix release. a minimum of new features.
[09:59] <osh_> uniq: how come it isn't in the regular repos? the kde bugfix release I mean.
[09:59] <uniq> osh_: there are no significant problems with the current packages. and the focus is on the next release. kde 3.4.1 packages are released by KDE too.
[10:14] <bobbyd> should I install 'firefox' or 'mozilla-firefox' ?
[10:16] <spiral> bobbyd: are you using hoary ?
[10:16] <bobbyd> spiral: I'm using the CD install plus an upadte
[10:16] <bobbyd> I added other sources as per the documentation
[10:16] <spiral> bobbyd: for hoary, then....
[10:17] <spiral> bobbyd: which sources did you add ?
[10:17] <spiral> bobbyd: I use mozilla-firefox in hoary
[10:17] <bobbyd> the ones listed here www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[10:17] <bobbyd> spiral: ok I'll do the same :) what's the difference?
[10:18] <spiral> bobbyd: I thought firefox was the new name, for breezy version
[10:18] <bobbyd> kynaptic is very cool :)
[10:18] <bobbyd> spiral: ahh
[10:26] <\sh> Riddell: ping
[10:29] <weedar> So how come I can sudo with my user password in a console, but not use the same in KDE to change the time?
[10:30] <\sh> weedar: u can
[10:30] <\sh> kdesu
[10:31] <weedar> no I mean, if I click the clock on the panel it asks for root password but won't accept my user password
[10:31] <\sh> works for me
[10:31] <weedar> hm. I tried typing it incorrectly in which case it says "wrong password", but when I type it correctly the window just closes
[10:32] <rich52> Anybody know how to access more software programs such as 'Scribus','KStars,QCad,Clamav,OpenUniverse,etc with Knaptic? It is apparently has a locked file that won't let me do an apt-get update. 
[10:32] <kalenedrael> do you have hoary universe in the /etc/apt/sources.list?
[10:33] <rich52> I don't know. . . 
[10:33] <deuce_> .
[10:33] <kalenedrael> less /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:33] <rich52> I'll check it out. . . .then what?
[10:34] <kalenedrael> add these lines:
[10:34] <kalenedrael> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[10:34] <kalenedrael> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[10:35] <weedar> \sh: which kde are you using?
[10:35] <rich52> 3.4
[10:35] <weedar> maybe it's broken in 3.4.1
[10:35] <weedar> guess what I'm using
[10:36] <rich52> you got me.. . 
[10:37] <\sh> weedar: kubuntu
[10:38] <weedar> I sort of guess you used kubuntu since you're here, but if you're using 3.4 or 3.4.1 of KDE
[10:38] <weedar> s/guess/guessed
[10:38] <\sh> weedar: 3.4.1
[10:38] <\sh> right now i'm fighting with skype
[10:39] <weedar> what problems are you having \sh ?
[10:40] <\sh> weedar: the problem is solved
[10:40] <\sh> :) was my friends probmel
[10:40] <weedar> I'm just happy I could get my usb microphone to work with skype. finally.
[10:41] <tsume> hmm
[10:42] <weedar> a pity that a closed-source program needs help from linux "hackers" to get such basic functionality to use different input and output channels
[10:42] <weedar> or maybe it just proves something ;)
[10:44] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hi guys, 
[10:45] <kalenedrael> it proves that closed-source development sucks
[10:46] <Alex[RM-UK] > I don't actually know if anyone is here, I've somehow got rid of my User list
[10:46] <Alex[RM-UK] > Ahhh, it's alive
[10:46] <Alex[RM-UK] > Oh I got it back lol
[10:46] <Alex[RM-UK] > lol nevermind - What do you people think of Win4Lin
[10:47] <uniq> lol nevermind. is what i think of win4lin :)
[10:47] <Alex[RM-UK] > you don't like it then?
[10:47] <uniq> never tried it.
[10:47] <Alex[RM-UK] > ahh,
[10:48] <Alex[RM-UK] > I just want a good emulator to run photoshop, Vice city (If possible but doesnt matter if not)
[10:48] <Alex[RM-UK] > and a few things I cant think of atm
[10:48] <uniq> wine or cedega should do it i guess.
[10:48] <weedar> cedega supports vice city
[10:48] <Alex[RM-UK] > :P
[10:48] <Alex[RM-UK] > hope it supports San:Andrease when it coems out lol
[10:48] <weedar> wine works well for lotsofstuff(TM)
[10:49] <Alex[RM-UK] > I tried using WineTools. but it couldn't downlaod Internet Explorer ...so photoshop got stuck at 99% loading the install
[10:50] <weedar> uh, you used wine to download IE instead of just installing firefox in linux?
[10:50] <Alex[RM-UK] > no,
[10:51] <Alex[RM-UK] > it said I needed to download IE to run certain applications
[10:51] <weedar> really? I can't think of a single app that needs IE (seriously)
[10:51] <Alex[RM-UK] > nor me, 
[10:51] <Alex[RM-UK] > but it didn't seem to liek no for an anwser :P
[10:51] <slicslak_> are the repository servers working ok today?
[10:51] <kalenedrael> yes
[10:52] <Alex[RM-UK] > is Transgaming cedega home site?
[10:52] <slicslak_> kalenedrael, thx
[10:52] <Alex[RM-UK] > doesn't feel as if it is lol
[10:53] <kalenedrael> i like how (k)ubuntu doesn't have the infamous debian elitist attitude...
[10:53] <kalenedrael> kubuntu users, that is
[10:53] <gdh> weedar: Installing IE is a nice way of getting dozens of Microsoft native DLLs without a license for Windows...
[10:53] <Alex[RM-UK] > I love Kubuntu!
[10:53] <Alex[RM-UK] > lol
[10:53] <_Church_of_Foamy> because it's linux for human beings ^_^
[10:53] <Alex[RM-UK] > It is yes lol....shame I'm alien :(
[10:53] <dreumah> does konversation not have a server list?
[10:54] <Alex[RM-UK] > yes,
[10:54] <gdh> yes, but it's empty because those lists are usually out of date a week after the app is released.
[10:54] <F_for_Fragging> File -> Server List...
[10:54] <Alex[RM-UK] > first menu thingy ..forgot what the name is. Server List. Well thats what it was for me
[10:54] <Alex[RM-UK] > Ok, how do I download cedega lol .... there site is werid :S
[10:55] <_Church_of_Foamy> you have to pay for it
[10:55] <dreumah> but there are no other servers besides freenode
[10:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > Oh really? 
[10:55] <_Church_of_Foamy> by clicking on thr subscribe link
[10:55] <_Church_of_Foamy> yea as far as i can tell you do
[10:55] <_Church_of_Foamy> i had too
[10:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > how much?
[10:56] <weedar> couldn't you download and compile from cvs for free earlier? 
[10:56] <_Church_of_Foamy> yea but i diden't know how to
[10:56] <_Church_of_Foamy> so i diden't do it
[10:56] <_Church_of_Foamy> >.<
[10:56] <Alex[RM-UK] > ooo, so it is free? if we know how lol
[10:56] <_Church_of_Foamy> but the payfor version is better
[10:56] <_Church_of_Foamy> or so i was told
[10:57] <_Church_of_Foamy> plus you get point2play which makes using cedega so much easyer
[10:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > whats that?
[10:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > Plug & play for software? lol
[10:57] <_Church_of_Foamy> it's a program that comes with the pay for version of cedega
[10:57] <_Church_of_Foamy> that makes installing stuff easyer
[10:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > whats the latest version?
[10:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > cool
[10:58] <_Church_of_Foamy> and seems to make the games run better
[10:59] <_Church_of_Foamy> cedega 4.0
[10:59] <Alex[RM-UK] > You sure, i've seen a few places with 4.3 ?
[10:59] <_Church_of_Foamy> and you get the current version of point2play
[10:59] <_Church_of_Foamy> well it could have changed sence i bought it lol
[11:00] <_Church_of_Foamy> i haven't updated mine in a while so anythings possible
[11:00] <Alex[RM-UK] > ahh, 
[11:01] <_Church_of_Foamy> all i know is i have a 16mb pci vidio card and cedega lets counterstrike play on it at a whopping 52fps
[11:01] <_Church_of_Foamy> so i know cedega is a good program 
[11:01] <_Church_of_Foamy> considering windows only lets me play @ 12.5fps 
[11:01] <Alex[RM-UK] > can I install tgz.tar files with apt-get ? or can I install rpms?
[11:01] <_Church_of_Foamy> on the same card
[11:01] <Alex[RM-UK] > wow, nice
[11:02] <_Church_of_Foamy> depends on what your trying to install
[11:02] <Alex[RM-UK] > cedega
[11:02] <_Church_of_Foamy> um i don't think so
[11:02] <Alex[RM-UK] > bum
[11:03] <_Church_of_Foamy> i think it's a sudo dpkg -i <filesname>.tgz.tar
[11:03] <_Church_of_Foamy> but i could be wrong
[11:03] <_Church_of_Foamy> found out i REALLY like kubuntu today......
[11:04] <Alex[RM-UK] > and me,
[11:04] <_Church_of_Foamy> my freind touched my box and i told him to get off! lol
[11:04] <_Church_of_Foamy> with windows i never cared
[11:04] <Alex[RM-UK] > yes _Church_of_Foamy  that sudo dpkg is right..I remember using it early on this morning
[11:04] <henning> hmm
[11:04] <_Church_of_Foamy> ok whew
[11:04] <_Church_of_Foamy> thought i was messing up lol
[11:05] <henning> any one know how to setup PHP5 and MySQL and PHPMyAdmin, with apache?
[11:05] <henning> or where to read it?
[11:06] <Alex[RM-UK] > _Church_of_Foamy,  how big was cedega?
[11:06] <Alex[RM-UK] > MB
[11:06] <Alex[RM-UK] > about 7MB ?
[11:07] <_Church_of_Foamy> um mine was.....
[11:07] <_Church_of_Foamy> 7.2mb
[11:08] <weedar> co0kie: I would think that apache.org would have information about that..
[11:08] <co0kie> ok ;)
[11:08] <Alex[RM-UK] > ahh thats ok then,
[11:08] <Alex[RM-UK] > I found a torrent file for it, 4.3.2 ... not sure if its free or paid version though.
[11:08] <co0kie> im also a bit new at linux ;P
[11:08] <co0kie> running Kubuntu 5.04
[11:09] <_Church_of_Foamy> i got my local lan arcade running kubuntu
[11:09] <_Church_of_Foamy> they loved that it was free
[11:09] <Alex[RM-UK] > I would yeh
[11:09] <co0kie> me2
[11:09] <weedar> what is a lan arcade?
[11:09] <_Church_of_Foamy> it's a place you can go to that has 
[11:09] <_Church_of_Foamy> computers for you to use at an hourly fee
[11:09] <weedar> *waiting in suspense*
[11:10] <Alex[RM-UK] > glad I switched to Linux, I had a 'non legal' lol MS.....and they were putting up there security with it  .... couldnt even do updates. 
[11:10] <weedar> oh, an internet cafe?
[11:10] <_Church_of_Foamy> usually like 1 or 2 dollars an hour
[11:10] <Alex[RM-UK] > lol. there was even a button on the update page to hand your self in!
[11:10] <_Church_of_Foamy> i know same reasom i switched
[11:10] <co0kie> actually, it's like me, hehe
[11:10] <_Church_of_Foamy> plus why pay $200.00 for something you don't own?
[11:10] <Alex[RM-UK] > yeh,
[11:10] <weedar> I switched mainly because I plan on working as a sysadmin for a small company some day (soon, hopefully) need to brush up on my *nix knowledge
[11:11] <_Church_of_Foamy> i like kubuntu i can say it's mine and it is lol
[11:11] <_Church_of_Foamy> ^_^
[11:11] <Alex[RM-UK] > Linux is free....and million times better. Just wish developers would make more apps for it...but suppose thats not a problem with cegeda or what ever it was :P
[11:11] <Alex[RM-UK] > yeh I like Kubuntu...it's easy but yet you learn alot. 
[11:11] <weedar> going to set up apache (again) and an ftp-server, use ssh to administer it. Not sure if I should use kubuntu for that, though
[11:11] <_Church_of_Foamy> well i know that cedega has it's limits
[11:11] <Alex[RM-UK] > everything does
[11:11] <_Church_of_Foamy> but it's pritty damn good
[11:12] <co0kie> the only thing that is "bad" is there aren't so many games
[11:12] <Alex[RM-UK] > I didnt think it was possible to run direct X games on linux..
[11:12] <Alex[RM-UK] > especially Half life 2!
[11:12] <_Church_of_Foamy> dude microsoft is on an all out campaighn to stomp out linux
[11:12] <co0kie> yeah, there you need MS
[11:12] <co0kie> :(
[11:12] <_Church_of_Foamy> i was reading about it in a magazene i get
[11:12] <Alex[RM-UK] > Why? what they doing now?
[11:12] <Dent> intel
[11:12] <weedar> luckily I don't play much games anymore, except games that work in linux :P
[11:12] <Alex[RM-UK] > There including Tab feature to IE
[11:12] <Alex[RM-UK] > yeh I only play Vice city
[11:12] <_Church_of_Foamy> they see it has a threat and want the companys to use there server software
[11:13] <Dent> intel and ms have implemented a keying feature to the new cpu line, i dunno the name
[11:13] <_Church_of_Foamy> instead of apachie
[11:13] <Alex[RM-UK] > I'd use Linux as a server any day...much more stable and safer
[11:13] <weedar> so they're going to crush apache with IIS? Good luck
[11:13] <_Church_of_Foamy> and are offering beefy deals for them to convert
[11:13] <Dent> basically, it makes it impossible to use anything not 'microsoft certified'
[11:13] <Alex[RM-UK] > yeh
[11:13] <co0kie> anyone know how to set up SAMBA? So that it works..?
[11:13] <_Church_of_Foamy> trying to scare linux users with the securety flaws bullshit
[11:13] <weedar> are you talking about that palladium deal?
[11:13] <_Church_of_Foamy> me?
[11:13] <philipacamaniac> coOkie: it isn't too hard, what do you need help with exactly?
[11:13] <Alex[RM-UK] > then the linux users kick dirt in there face and make it better
[11:13] <weedar> yes _Church_of_Foamy 
[11:14] <_Church_of_Foamy> no don't even know what that is lol
[11:14] <co0kie> i can't find this kubuntu machine, or kubuntu can't find MS machines
[11:14] <Alex[RM-UK] > sure your on the right workgroup?
[11:14] <_Church_of_Foamy> did you set up xp for home networking?
[11:14] <weedar> I seem to remember that intel and MS planned on starting something to prevent viruses (uh,huh), but making it near-impossible for linux or other un-certified programs to run on their cpu
[11:15] <_Church_of_Foamy> oh yea theve done that
[11:15] <Alex[RM-UK] > Stop Viruese?
[11:15] <co0kie> yup, the workgroup is HORN on both machines
[11:15] <Alex[RM-UK] > if its human built..there are flaws
[11:15] <_Church_of_Foamy> sertain computers you buy are windows only machenes
[11:15] <weedar> today?
[11:15] <_Church_of_Foamy> yea
[11:15] <weedar> scary
[11:15] <_Church_of_Foamy> a freind of mine got one it will only run windows
[11:15] <_Church_of_Foamy> won't even boot linux
[11:15] <_Church_of_Foamy> at all
[11:16] <_Church_of_Foamy> theres a chip in there that checks for ms products
[11:16] <philipacamaniac> coOkie: are you running at SHARE level?
[11:16] <weedar> how? what component prevents linux from running?
[11:16] <cydizen> hello all
[11:16] <weedar> on the mainboard?
[11:16] <weedar> eh, motherboard, I mean
[11:16] <_Church_of_Foamy> yup hardwired
[11:16] <_Church_of_Foamy> i diden't beleve it myself
[11:16] <philipacamaniac> _Church: that's mostly myth
[11:16] <co0kie> hmm, if you read, im prety new at linux, but i really wanna learn :D
[11:16] <_Church_of_Foamy> well than my freinds computer is as dumb as a rock lol
[11:16] <philipacamaniac> I can run Linux on and XBOX or PSP
[11:16] <philipacamaniac> (an
[11:17] <philipacamaniac> *an
[11:17] <philipacamaniac> grr
[11:17] <_Church_of_Foamy> no matter what i did i coulden't install linux on his computer
[11:17] <_Church_of_Foamy> but it would boot right off xp disk
[11:17] <philipacamaniac> coOkie: go to the KDE Control Center, and go to Internet & Network
[11:17] <_Church_of_Foamy> and i use the same ubuntu disk that i started my machene on
[11:17] <_Church_of_Foamy> i got linux on my ipod
[11:18] <co0kie> in there
[11:18] <philipacamaniac> _Church: I had that problem with a Debian Woody CD, but a Redhat CD booted fine
[11:18] <_Church_of_Foamy> want to try it on my xbox
[11:18] <philipacamaniac> coOkie: Samba
[11:18] <_Church_of_Foamy> but i don't want ms to ban my box
[11:18] <philipacamaniac> coOkie: and then click Administrator Mode (and then pray)
[11:18] <co0kie> im in, in admin-mode
[11:18] <philipacamaniac> good
[11:19] <_Church_of_Foamy> http://www.ipodlinux.org/Main_Page
[11:19] <kalenedrael> _Church_of_Foamy, what do you mean by "banning" the box?
[11:19] <philipacamaniac> Security level should be Share
[11:19] <co0kie> done
[11:19] <_Church_of_Foamy> if your xbox has linux on it and microsoft detects it they will ban your box from there networks
[11:19] <philipacamaniac> what was it before, coOkie?
[11:19] <kalenedrael> and do they give you a reason?
[11:19] <co0kie> user
[11:20] <_Church_of_Foamy> http://www.ipodlinux.org/Main_Page <---how i put linux on my ipod
[11:20] <philipacamaniac> yeah that should do the trick now.. apply and go try it
[11:20] <co0kie> or the option beneath share
[11:20] <_Church_of_Foamy> violation of the EULA
[11:20] <_Church_of_Foamy> reverse enginnerring
[11:20] <_Church_of_Foamy> hacking on there network
[11:20] <_Church_of_Foamy> they shut off your box forever
[11:20] <_Church_of_Foamy> read the EULA for the xbox
[11:21] <_Church_of_Foamy> it's almost the same as winxp
[11:21] <kalenedrael> gah, fucking EULAs
[11:21] <_Church_of_Foamy> you pay for the right to use the xbox and games but you don't own them
[11:21] <cspan> hey, does anyone know how to move from debian to kubuntu?
[11:21] <_Church_of_Foamy> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:21] <philipacamaniac> _Church: there is a special mod switch that can take you between XBOX live mode and modded mode
[11:21] <joaquin> hola a todos
[11:21] <kalenedrael> _Church_of_Foamy, they can make your box stop functioning remotely?
[11:21] <co0kie> WOW, know i can see my own machine, it's getting better :D
[11:22] <_Church_of_Foamy> from what i've herd yes
[11:22] <_Church_of_Foamy> i herd of that chip
[11:22] <kalenedrael> that's stupid
[11:22] <philipacamaniac> SHARE works best on small home networks
[11:22] <_Church_of_Foamy> is it any good?
[11:22] <philipacamaniac> _Church: no idea
[11:22] <philipacamaniac> _Church: but I know it has worked for some people I know
[11:22] <kalenedrael> i wonder what the EULA is for microsoft mice
[11:22] <joaquin> algien m ppuede ayudar
[11:23] <_Church_of_Foamy> probibly the same for everything else of theres
[11:23] <kalenedrael> no se habla espanol
[11:23] <philipacamaniac> no hablo espanol
[11:23] <_Church_of_Foamy> you buy the right to use it but ya don't own it
[11:23] <cspan> what repositories do i need?
[11:23] <co0kie> how am i goind to find this, kubuntu machine? From the MS-XP ?
[11:23] <cspan> joaquin, hablo espaol, que necesitas?
[11:23] <philipacamaniac> type in explorer: \\kubuntumachine
[11:24] <philipacamaniac> kubuntumachine being the machine name of your Kubuntu machine
 como se instalan los paketes en kubuntu es ke soy nuebo en el rrollo de linux
[11:24] <_Church_of_Foamy> i am happy my box has no ms parts inside
[11:24] <_Church_of_Foamy> all put toghether myself
[11:24] <co0kie> already tried that :(
[11:24] <kalenedrael> what the hell, i don't own my mouse?
[11:24] <_Church_of_Foamy> my mouse is GE
[11:24] <philipacamaniac> coOkie: uh, hmm
[11:24] <_Church_of_Foamy> nope just the right to use it
[11:24] <kalenedrael> well, it's a wireless intellimouse explorer and i got it for $10, so :P
[11:25] <philipacamaniac> can you ping it?
[11:25] <_Church_of_Foamy> lol
[11:25] <weedar> Am I a hipocrit for using a MS keyboard on my linux computer?
[11:25] <kalenedrael> no
[11:25] <co0kie> but still i can't either see from kubuntu, to the MS
[11:25] <cspan> no, weedar, maybe they make good keyboards
[11:25] <kalenedrael> you would if the OSDL made keyboards too
[11:25] <_Church_of_Foamy> as long as you spraypaint over the microsoft logos nope :P
[11:25] <philipacamaniac> coOkie: in kubuntu. you type smb://windowserver
[11:25] <kalenedrael> i need a little tux sticker to cover up the windows key on my laptop
[11:26] <_Church_of_Foamy> lol
[11:26] <_Church_of_Foamy> do they sell those>?
[11:26] <co0kie> windowserver? My MS comp-name right?
[11:26] <philipacamaniac> coOkie: yes
[11:26] <philipacamaniac> I type to fast and don't make much sense
[11:26] <kalenedrael> _Church_of_Foamy, i think they sell the stickers, at least
[11:26] <_Church_of_Foamy> that is awsome
[11:26] <co0kie> okay, couldn't connect...
[11:26] <philipacamaniac> doh
[11:27] <philipacamaniac> coOkie: do you know how to use the ping command?
[11:27] <co0kie> from ms? Run->cmd THEN ping NAME/IP | Right?
[11:27] <_Church_of_Foamy> i hate microsoft i have never once payed for any of there crappy stuff
[11:27] <philipacamaniac> correct
[11:28] <philipacamaniac> same for Kubuntu, using Konsole
[11:28] <_Church_of_Foamy> even though i own on my winbox microsoft stuff i still diden't pay 
[11:28] <philipacamaniac> _Church: you're not supposed to tell people you pirate software
[11:28] <philipacamaniac> :)
[11:28] <_Church_of_Foamy> whynot what are they gonna do lol
[11:28] <co0kie> it can't find the host
[11:28] <weedar> you shouldn't tell us about pirating, linux is actually a sting operation to get people like you
[11:29] <_Church_of_Foamy> hey i use linux now
[11:29] <philipacamaniac> coOkie: are both computers able to connect to the Internet?
[11:29] <_Church_of_Foamy> just wish i had jumped on the bandwagon way back when it came out
[11:29] <co0kie> yup, and both are online
[11:29] <philipacamaniac> coOkie: oh wait, did you use HOSTNAME or IP
[11:29] <philipacamaniac> try it with IP
[11:30] <co0kie> trying ;9
[11:30] <co0kie> ;)
[11:30] <weedar> not sure I agree with you Foamy, linux as a desktop OS wasn't much fun "back in the day"
[11:30] <_Church_of_Foamy> i like linux even more because it has ms scared ^_^
[11:30] <_Church_of_Foamy> probibly not but i would know about it
[11:30] <_Church_of_Foamy> i've only been using it for about a month now
[11:31] <philipacamaniac> coOkie: btw, put my name in the beginning of your posts when you need to grab my attention
[11:32] <co0kie> philip: okay
[11:32] <slicslak> i'm using a remote x connection from laptop to desktop.  i'd like to leave the x session running, disconnect from it and reconnect to it later.  basically i don't want to log off.  anyone done this before?
[11:33] <co0kie> philip: I can ping from MS to Kubuntu, but not the other way...
[11:33] <_Church_of_Foamy> at the school i'm going to in the fall they give you laptops to use
[11:33] <_Church_of_Foamy> i'm putting kubuntu on mine ^_^
[11:33] <philipacamaniac> your Windows firewall...
[11:34] <co0kie> using Norton...
[11:34] <_Church_of_Foamy> mmmm not shure if that would prevent networking
[11:34] <philipacamaniac> coOkie: Do you have ICMP echo requests allowed (pings)?
[11:35] <philipacamaniac> coOkie: anyway, real briefly disable Norton and try it again
[11:35] <philipacamaniac> coOkie: Firewalls get in the way of local network applications, such as Samba
[11:35] <co0kie> philip: Okay, did find my MS, :D
[11:36] <co0kie> philip: isn't there a way to NOT disable your firewall?
[11:36] <philipacamaniac> coOkie: alright, so you just need to configure Norton somehow to allow Windows File and Printer sharing through
[11:36] <co0kie> when using SAMBA?
[11:37] <co0kie> philip: I will try :D
[11:37] <philipacamaniac> coOkie: coolio, hope it works
[11:37] <_Church_of_Foamy> i found a new toy in kubuntu
[11:37] <_Church_of_Foamy> it's called binary clock ^_^
[11:37] <_Church_of_Foamy> it's neat
[11:38] <philipacamaniac> _Church: I used it for awhile, and then realized I was losing a total of 1 hour a day
[11:38] <cspan> if i substitute the debian repositories for the kubuntu repositories will everything go wrong?
[11:38] <_Church_of_Foamy> really why?
[11:38] <philipacamaniac> trying to read the stupid thing
[11:38] <philipacamaniac> :)
[11:38] <_Church_of_Foamy> lol
[11:38] <_Church_of_Foamy> roflamo
[11:38] <_Church_of_Foamy> um no
[11:38] <_Church_of_Foamy> wrong
[11:38] <_Church_of_Foamy> roflmao
[11:38] <_Church_of_Foamy> yea there we go lol
[11:39] <thakat> Hello everyone.  Could someone please tell me how I get root access in Kubuntu?
[11:39] <_Church_of_Foamy> sudo
[11:39] <_Church_of_Foamy> in console
[11:39] <_Church_of_Foamy> or konsole
[11:39] <philipacamaniac> cspan: What specifically do you want from Kubuntu, rather than Debian/KDE?
[11:39] <cspan> kde 3.4
[11:39] <philipacamaniac> oh yeah
[11:39] <thakat> ok I'll try
[11:39] <philipacamaniac> hmm, duh
[11:40] <slicslak> wow, i'm getting a 680kbps sustained download from ubuntus us servers...  i've never seen a download that fast before....
[11:40] <co0kie> philip: Looks like it's WORKING :D, THANKS :D
[11:40] <_Church_of_Foamy> yea i want to learn how to read the binary clock
[11:40] <_Church_of_Foamy> i know kubuntu seems to just love the inet
[11:40] <philipacamaniac> cspan: well, I would make a backup first... and remember you need the ubuntu.com repos, not just kubuntu.org
[11:41] <philipacamaniac> coOkie: that's great
[11:41] <co0kie> philip: Wone
[11:41] <cspan> well, i think i will wait for sarge
[11:41] <weedar> time for an easy one: I can't write to my fat32-partitions, if I chown them to my user they get owned by root after I remount them. what am I doing wrong?
[11:41] <cspan> (for sarge becoming stable)
[11:42] <TobiasFar> i need the opengl lib? but i doesn't find one in synaptic
[11:42] <co0kie> philip: Wonder what was wrong before, now i've got my firewall running on MS
[11:42] <osh_> cspan: sarge doesn't have kde3.4 does it?
[11:42] <cspan> no
[11:42] <cspan> but when sarge becomes stable
[11:42] <cspan> unstable will have 3.4
[11:42] <_Church_of_Foamy> it's winxp who knows
[11:42] <philipacamaniac> coOkie: Windoze is a strange cookie to work with
[11:42] <philipacamaniac> :)
[11:42] <_Church_of_Foamy> lol
[11:42] <_Church_of_Foamy> i can't waite to get a laptop to put kubuntu on
[11:43] <philipacamaniac> _Church: be sure to look for compat hardware... especially wifi and video camera (if it has one)
[11:43] <_Church_of_Foamy> ok cool what would you recommend for a laptop?
[11:43] <_Church_of_Foamy> ibm thinkpad?
[11:44] <joaquin> alguien sabe como bajar en  kubuntu los paketes????
[11:44] <weedar> I just can't seem to set write permissions for other than owner of the windows-paritions, what gives?
[11:44] <_Church_of_Foamy> i'm making a video of me nuking a winxp cd
[11:44] <philipacamaniac> weedar: who is mounting the windows-partition, root or a user?
[11:45] <co0kie> philip: Ok,hehe. How do i make password protect on?
[11:45] <_Church_of_Foamy> in the microwave ^_^
[11:45] <weedar> philipacamaniac: root...but I don't want normal users to be able to mount partitions
[11:45] <weedar> just read and write to them
[11:46] <philipacamaniac> weedar: hmm... well the only way I could get my username to write to the windows partition was to mount it myself
[11:46] <_Church_of_Foamy> i've been playing a mp3 cd on my box for a while and have noticed.......
[11:46] <weedar> but when I try that I get an error saying only root can mount
[11:46] <_Church_of_Foamy> that linux sounds better than windows
[11:46] <philipacamaniac> not saying that's the only way, though
[11:46] <osh_> I ran unstable for a while. It worked very well most of the time but then I got hit by some glibc-error which nuked the whole installation. Couldn't do sqwat after that. Had to reinstall.
[11:46] <weedar> oh wait, I can probably edit /etc/fstab for that..
[11:46] <philipacamaniac> weedar: yep
[11:46] <philipacamaniac> coOkie: um...
[11:47] <_Church_of_Foamy> hey i just noticed that my second hard drive isen't showing up in kubuntu
[11:47] <_Church_of_Foamy> what they hell?
[11:47] <philipacamaniac> coOkie: password protect windows or Kubuntu shares
[11:47] <_Church_of_Foamy> >.<
[11:47] <co0kie> philip: Or another, how do i make i wright-able?
[11:47] <weedar> it's not mounted or you can't find it with fdisk Foamy?
[11:47] <co0kie> philip: Kubuntu shares
[11:47] <_Church_of_Foamy> um it hasen't even been formatted for linux yet
[11:47] <weedar> totally unformatted or windows-formatted now?
[11:47] <philipacamaniac> co0kie: it is per share settings
[11:48] <_Church_of_Foamy> totally unformatted
[11:48] <philipacamaniac> I just noticed it was a 0 in your name and not an O... I feel dumb
[11:48] <weedar> just create the partition with fdisk, format the partition with mkfs and mount it with...well, "mount" :)
[11:48] <_Church_of_Foamy> lol
[11:48] <_Church_of_Foamy> ok but linux dosen't see it lol
[11:49] <_Church_of_Foamy> can i use a program in kubuntu that works with partitions?
[11:49] <_Church_of_Foamy> like qparted?
[11:49] <gdh> 'qtparted'
[11:49] <gdh> heh :)
[11:49] <weedar> if you run fdisk on hdb (I assume this is the disk you're talking about) you see nothing when (p)rinting the partition table?
[11:49] <_Church_of_Foamy> yea that lol
[11:49] <philipacamaniac> co0kie: go back to the SAMBA control panel, in admin mode, and go to Shares
[11:49] <_Church_of_Foamy> it's not hdb that i know of
[11:49] <_Church_of_Foamy> i can tell you what it is in win terms
[11:49] <_Church_of_Foamy> but not linux >.<
[11:50] <weedar> is it a physical disk or a partition?
[11:50] <co0kie> philip: Im there,
[11:50] <_Church_of_Foamy> phy disk
[11:50] <_Church_of_Foamy> on the secondary ide channel
[11:50] <_Church_of_Foamy> set as slave
[11:50] <weedar> in linux hard-drives har labelled hdXY where X is a letter starting from a, and Y is the partition on that drive starting with 1
[11:50] <_Church_of_Foamy> oh ok
[11:50] <philipacamaniac> co0kie: for each shared folder, you can decide what users can access, and if it is writable
[11:51] <osh_> then it should show up in dmesg. but listen do weedar. he knows his shit. ;-)
[11:51] <weedar> so your second-drive would be hdb and the first partition on it would be hdb1
[11:51] <_Church_of_Foamy> ok
[11:51] <co0kie> philip: Thinks that is done
[11:52] <philipacamaniac> co0kie: then you use that user's username and password to get to it
[11:52] <philipacamaniac> (the users you gave permission to)
[11:52] <co0kie> which user?
[11:53] <philipacamaniac> co0kie: to restrict it with a password, you have to reject all users except those specified, and then specify a user (usually yourself)
[11:54] <co0kie> philip: I made so, that there aren't any in the table, and chosed that anyone who isn't in it, is OK
[11:54] <weedar> _Church_of_Foamy: qtparted is fairly simple to use, just slice and dice hdb like you want to and format with the same program
[11:54] <_Church_of_Foamy> sweet
[11:54] <_Church_of_Foamy> thank you so much
[11:55] <_Church_of_Foamy> anyone know if linux can use the ipod?
[11:55] <_Church_of_Foamy> i want to shift my music library to my linuxbox so i can put songs and stuff on my ipod
[11:56] <philipacamaniac> co0kie: alright, that's fine, but then you can't set a password
[11:57] <co0kie> philip: that ok, for now. But i can't make any folders on kubuntu FROM MS :'(
[11:57] <philipacamaniac> co0kie: how about this, press the Expert button, and it will say who is allowed to write or read and such
[11:57] <philipacamaniac> I have a specifically public folder for world reading/writing
[11:57] <philipacamaniac> doh
[11:58] <philipacamaniac> "/home/public
[11:59] <philipacamaniac> I gotta go, I'll be on later so see ya
[11:59] <weedar> you're lucky your folder isn't called /quit phil
[11:59] <philipacamaniac> lol
[11:59] <weedar> then again, that would just be silly