=== rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:09] Kamion: I put some proof of conecpt code for #185424 into michael.vogt@ubuntu.com--2005/apt--progress-reporting--0. I think we can use this as a starting point for a better interface. once I have a bit more (a OpProgress like interface or something) I'll announce it on the deity list as well === Kamion praises the mvo machine in absentia === Alessio [~Alessio@host30-3.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jcole [~jcole@atlwebproxy2.core.hp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] i installed vnc4server, but when i add 'Load "vnc"' to xorg.conf and restart X, the xorg log says it cannot find the vnc module... any insight to this? works in debian just fine [12:34] #apt-file search vnc.so [12:34] vnc4server: usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] is this module not compatable with xorg?? [12:37] may be bitten by the /usr/X11R6 reorganisation, if this is breezy [12:37] don't know the details though [12:38] it's hoary === jlje [~agp@cm-80.111.96.084.chello.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eruin [~eruin@213-145-179-140.dd.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] has does xorg "detect" a "valid" module? [12:41] no idea, I'd be inclined to strace it ... :-) [12:43] gah, I think my RAM is quitting on me [12:45] well... is there another way to access the gdm screen on an external box? [12:46] you can always use xdmcp === Arrogance [~aks@CPE0050ba556e4b-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:47] its likely slower than vnc though [12:47] calc: ah, right [12:47] calc: ya, it exports to vnc proto [12:48] calc: oh, wait, you said xdmcp [12:48] or ssh into the box and just do x forwarding [12:48] calc: ewwww [12:48] works fine if you have the bandwidth ;) [12:51] calc: well, i'll just have him log in and run x0rfbserver === koke [~koke@adsl229-164.unizar.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [~agp@cm-80.111.96.084.chello.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:52] the vnc X module is quite handy though on my debian system though... i'll figure it out later on ubuntu === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === darkling [~hugo@81-5-136-19.dsl.eclipse.net.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:07] When you add "vnc" to xorg.conf? [01:07] Huh huh huh? [01:07] What's that do? [01:09] oh interesting. never knew about that. [01:09] later dudes, going away for the weekend :-) [01:09] jdub: have fun [01:10] don't really like it much either. === bronson [~bronson@node-40240852.sjc.onnet.us.uu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:12] gdm should really be offering a VNC server. [01:12] Which should let you login to a new session, or resume an existing one. [01:12] wasabi: see mark mcloughlin's talk from guadec [01:14] not seeing it [01:16] I just tried to dist-upgrade to breezy and I can't get gdm to run. [01:16] I fixed xbase-clients. [01:17] After GDM finishes flashing, my VGA mode is fubar. Reboot time. [01:17] Known issue? === KaiL_ [KaiL@p548F5F61.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [~mdz@ca-studio-bsr1o-251.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:34] bronson: X is broken = a known issue. it will be randomly broken for some time. === MrXP [~mIRC@adsl-68-74-176-194.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MrXP [~mIRC@adsl-68-74-176-194.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mdz [~mdz@ca-studio-bsr1o-251.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] install X from hoary if you want it workingl. [01:50] thats silly advice [01:50] mixing dists can break things more [01:50] install everything from hoary, if you want somethink working :) [01:51] somebody should try to explain the people out there, that they can't compare the ubuntu devel versions with debian/unstable [01:51] i'm fully upgraded in breezy without issues [01:52] but i've had daniels help me get X running a couple times [01:52] lets not all bother daniels every 2 days please. [01:52] KaiL_: They could with hoary [01:52] Amaranth: ? [01:52] KaiL_: hoary was relatively stable from right after xorg stabilized === mdz [~mdz@ca-studio-bsr1o-251.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:53] which was about a month into hoary, wasn't it? [01:53] you can use debian/sid for daily working (more or less), but ubuntu/breezy is currently _NOT_ made for daily use [01:53] for that we have hoary [01:55] developers doesn't care that much, if breezy currently doesn't work - it's only important, that it'll work in October [01:56] KaiL_: That's not true. It needs to somewhat work. [01:56] KaiL_: If they get no testing it won't work in October. [01:57] I care; if it doesn't work, I can't release test CDs [01:57] it doesn't have to work all the time, but it has to at least go through periods of workingness [01:57] Kamion: you don't expect a working test CD soon, or? ;)) [01:57] KaiL_: it's overdue [01:58] KaiL_: and bear in mind I am typically not just passively sitting back and waiting for stuff to work [01:58] mdz: tricky. i'll have a look later today and see how it goes. [01:58] KaiL_: it doesn't seem productive to hassle people at this precise moment, though [01:58] Kamion: that's not what I mean [01:59] it's only a bit annoying to explain people in the support chats, that they can not expect, that breezy works [02:00] its pretty effective to let them figure that out for themselves [02:00] this "do NOT use breezy, if you want something stable" seams not to be big enough ;) [02:01] we've started a "no help if you're using breezy" thing in #ubuntu [02:01] that might help [02:01] Amaranth, *laughs* [02:01] most users are satisfied with backports [02:01] bit harsh maybe [02:01] mdke: we try, anyway [02:02] i'm gonna try breezy tomorrow [02:02] KaiL_: you said "developers don't care"; that's simply not true. I'm correcting misinformation, that's all. [02:02] if someone is willing to use breezy right now they really should be beyond needing help in #ubuntu [02:02] Kamion: doesn't care that much [02:02] Amaranth, well... sometimes you can get help on complex matters in #ubuntu [02:02] KaiL_: not true either. [02:02] =if even one package in hoary is not installable, there will be a bug very very soon [02:03] KaiL_: I care really rather deeply. It blocks my work. [02:03] if this happenes in breezy, it's something for the todo list [02:03] mdke: Well, it's not like we say "using breezy? FOAD" or anything. But if they bring up problems with X, etc and they're using breezy we tell them to go back to hoary. === mdke nods [02:04] KaiL_: uninstallable packages in universe are one thing, uninstallable parts of the desktop seed are another [02:04] Amaranth: you run gnome? [02:04] yes [02:04] daniels: I think the keyboard guessing should only be done on first install, and not reconfigure [02:04] with kde it's WAY more fun to use breezy [02:04] daniels: of course, that breaks the live cd [02:05] KaiL_: sucks to be you then, you were warned ;) [02:05] although i have most of kde installed [02:05] because there are still many apps in main (!), which can't be build with gcc4 [02:05] afaik there's nothing done in breezy/universe... [02:05] main transition finished already, didn't it? [02:05] KaiL_: that's a lie [02:06] Amaranth: for kde packages [02:06] https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CxxLibraryList [02:06] dude, i have kicker and KDE libs installed [02:06] mdz: right. that's the problem, is that it's a probing-type thing. hrm. [02:06] Amaranth: and? [02:06] daniels: I consider it in a different class than hardware probing, though [02:07] hardware probing on reconfigure makes sense to me, but re-guessing the layout (especially if they've changed it) seems counter-intuitive [02:07] KaiL_: as of right now kubuntu-desktop is installable [02:08] Amaranth: amarok? [02:08] KaiL_: if it's a part of kubuntu-desktop, sure [02:08] k3b? [02:08] kscreensaver? [02:08] all NOT installable [02:08] k3b isn't kubuntu-desktop [02:08] daniels: it seems like the live CD is the odd man out; similar semantics make sense for both a user-initiated dpkg-reconfigure and the LTSP case [02:08] KaiL_: What is your point? [02:09] mdz, so what's up with java/ :) [02:09] wasabi: I sent you some messages in this channel earlier today [02:09] oh [02:09] Jun 03 10:47:17 wasabi: looks like libxerces2-java is the last free-java-sdk package [02:09] ahh ok will grab it [02:09] Jun 03 10:21:27 wasabi_: I've updatedhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/temp/java-main.txt [02:10] only that the kde stuff in main is still not done and afaik nobody had time for the packages in universe [02:10] KaiL_: and all of those _are_ installable [02:10] Amaranth: in breezy? [02:10] yes [02:10] http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/breezy_probs.html [02:10] uninstallable packages: [02:10] amarok(i386) [02:10] not up to date [02:11] i'll believe my computer over a static web page [02:11] just ran apt-get update and it's still same [02:11] no offense Kamion [02:11] it's hardly static [02:11] I just updated it, so it's current with respect to the archive [02:12] KaiL_: just ran apt-get update and they're still installable [02:12] they so aren't [02:12] synaptic is lying to me? [02:12] you have pre-C++-transition libraries installed locally [02:12] try a fresh chroot [02:12] ah :P [02:12] e.g. [02:12] Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.4.0) but it is not installable [02:13] kdelibs4c2 | 4:3.4.1-0ubuntu2 | breezy | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc [02:13] bingo [02:13] ah well, KDE users get what they deserve :D [02:13] it needs to be rebuilt once all its libraries have been transitioned [02:13] amarok needs some fixes to build with gcc4 [02:13] Amaranth: anyone assuming breezy_probs.html is bogus usually turns out to be wrong, I'm afraid. :-) [02:14] at least since I made it mirror at the same frequency as archive updates a little while ago [02:14] k3b doesn't look much better [02:15] Kamion: that explains it [02:15] last time i looked at it it was out of date [02:15] I really doubt that [02:15] this was a while back [02:15] people often assume it's wrong if they're testing in a non-fresh chroot [02:15] well, someone it said was uninstallable installed [02:15] err [02:16] that's no proof of anything; it's looking at whether it's installable with respect only to packages currently in main [02:16] how can i have packages on my system that can't be setup in a chroot? [02:16] it might depend on stuff in universe, or it might depend on old packages that you still have installed but that have been removed from the archive since [02:16] anyone speak spanish? [02:17] i was wondering what those comments on the FrontPage of the wiki mean [02:17] most package managers provide a facility to search for obsolete packages [02:18] yeah, the only 'obsolete' ones i have around are local installs [02:18] except for the one package for enigma [02:19] ia32-libs << compatibility libs to run i386 on amd64? [02:21] I wonder, why it lists kleopatra as not installable [02:22] ah, needs gnupg2 from universe [02:25] Odd. [02:25] Xerces2 no compile. [02:25] =( === wasabi goes to eat. === doko [~doko___@dsl-082-082-189-079.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:26] mdz: mmm, I suppose. i was thinking of a Debconf question that you could set that got reset to defaul t(e.g. do_reprobe_keyboard). [02:34] daniels: sounds reasonable; the default would be off, and casper would set it to true? [02:34] and it would get bumped to true on initial installs? [02:36] daniels: why don't you use "radeon" as default driver for ATI R200 cards? does that also break S3 as the commercial drivers do? [02:40] KaiL_: the ati driver loads radeon [02:40] afaik you get no DRI then... [02:41] vs loading radeon explicitly? [02:41] yes [02:44] and I'd like to see "dynamic clocks" autoenabled for the mobile Radeon, that brings us a lot closer to XP in run time [02:47] KaiL_: i already asked that, supposedly it greatly kills performance for some folks [02:48] I think, those can disable it, if they really care [02:48] erm [02:48] those guys will also enable fglrx and kill S3 then :) [02:48] most people I know ONLY care about run time [02:49] i think you are wrong about the ati/radeon no accel thing [02:50] i changed to radeon explicitly and its still sucking [02:50] "still sucking"? [02:50] yeah, like 230fps [02:50] that's no DRI... [02:50] R200? [02:50] in that thing that daniels will beat me senseless for calling a benchmark [02:50] (meany <=9250) [02:51] no this is a AIW atm [02:51] 0000:01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600] (Secondary) [02:51] r200 is in my laptop [02:51] RV350 -> needs fglrx [02:51] or the r300-beta one ;) [02:51] oh. [02:51] don't ask me, which is worse *g* === lamont__ [~lamont@15.238.6.116] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:55] off-topic I guess, but do any of you have a link to a good read about highlights in gcc4? === lamont__ tries to remember what the program was for things that don't support mii-tool [02:56] http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.0/changes.html ? === aj [aj-irc@azure.humbug.org.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === lamont__ [~lamont@15.238.6.116] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont__ [~lamont@15.238.6.116] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dooglus [~dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SloMo_ [~slomo@p5487BB90.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:09] hi guys. we've been having a flood of people in #ubuntu complaining about the us.archive mirror being down. we tried asking the ops to mention it in the topic, but they all seem to be sleeping, so I put a 'onjoin' message in my client to tell people when they join. [03:09] it's got rid of the people asking about the downed mirror, but now we've got a flood of people complaining about the onjoin message... :) [03:09] can any of you edit the topic please? [03:09] in #ubuntu? [03:10] is that a reentrant lamont? [03:11] dilinger: roaming, dammit [03:12] ok. i won't use you in any threaded applications, then. [03:12] I've dropped us.archive.u.c, FWIW, it'll time out in the next [03:12] I've dropped us.archive.u.c, FWIW, it'll propagate in the next ~10 mins [03:12] speak english well do i [03:16] thanks lamont_r === blahrus [rxnygb@12-223-50-121.client.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:18] elmo: once it's had a chance to really time out, you want to change the #ubuntu topic, or kick me and I'll do it? === dooglus [~dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eruin [~eruin@213-145-179-140.dd.nextgentel.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === eruin [~eruin@eruin.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aisipos [~anton@dsl081-081-225.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlje [~agp@cm-80.111.96.084.chello.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === womble [~mpalmer@eth1859.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont [~lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [~tritium@12-208-96-155.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ace2001ac [~acharles@c-24-16-40-37.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [~agp@cm-80.111.96.084.chello.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:33] mjg59: ping === aisipos [~anton@dsl081-081-225.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlje [~agp@cm-80.111.96.084.chello.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-88.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.95.57.102] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:20] if I wanted to track down STR bugs, would I be better off using hoary or breezy? === tritium [~tritium@12-208-96-155.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [07:22] which one would you guys prefer bug reports for? 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I think I might have tricked it... === ace2001ac [~acharles@c-24-16-40-37.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:49] or not. === stuNNed [~implosion@69.17.126.228] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ska-fan [~ska-fan@dsl-082-082-192-017.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vuntz|zZz is now known as vuntz [09:11] crimsun: the prob with stuff not refreshing on nautilus desktop was due to human-icons afaik === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cartman [foobar@cartman.developer.konversation] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cartman [foobar@cartman.developer.konversation] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ich] === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Echylo [~echylo@42-152.246.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Ssh_rdp [~Administr@80.191.65.211] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Danten [~danten@h98n7c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Reza_M [~reza@62.112.179.174] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [~Simira@179.80-202-212.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] What's the goal of the ServerInstall project? A derivate dist or adding some futures to the standard One-CD ubuntu? [10:01] I Think it is a derative distro :) [10:02] So, It's very similar to SBS [10:02] SmallBusinessServer [10:02] uhm, what ServerInstall project? [10:03] http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerInstallation [10:03] and http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/SmallBusinessServer [10:04] the ServerInstallation spec is still very early, it seems. [10:04] it doesn't appear to be a derivative, just some features added [10:06] Base install only option -> rapid installation, minimal questions, auto partitioning (config file defined?) [10:06] NO GUIs on servers [10:06] Central Admin Interface -> GUI on ubuntu desktop, html/curses interface, package selection/updates === ozamosi [~ozamosi@80.252.171.204] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:08] The standard One-CD Ubuntu wants to have these futures? [10:09] it has most of it already. [10:11] Whats the goal of ServerInstallation? [10:11] I cant understand === hunger [~hunger@p54A66A19.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:13] I think SBS is a Ubuntu Server with some other server futures. Is it? === Ssh_rdp [~Administr@80.191.65.211] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Reza_M [~reza@62.112.179.174] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pizzathief [~Ilikepizz@adsl-130-26.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:58] grah === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:58] I'm trying to get a pxe boot going to test acpi stuff [10:58] I can get a cramfs working with the breezy kernel, which becomes readonly at boot [10:59] but a normal ext2 fs won't work [10:59] will with the installer kernel though [11:00] pff [11:20] Micksa: current debootstrap in breezy *should* be fine for breezy ... === tuhl [~tuhl@testdrive.topalis.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [~JaneW@wbs-146-178-239.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:32] hi JaneW [11:33] hi JaneW, ajmitch, * === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-22.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:33] & hi sabdfl, tseng [11:33] hey ajmitch [11:33] morning sabdfl [11:33] top 'o the mornin' to ya [11:33] JaneW: you pinged yesterday? [11:34] two months and 18 days too late? :-) [11:34] (top o' the mornin') [11:34] kamion: it's dpkg that appears to be broken. [11:34] ah silly me, who do I bother about moving my key to main upload keyring [11:35] kamion: something about mmap failing [11:35] on /var/lib/dpkg/available [11:35] keyring@ I guess. [11:35] Micksa: ! what release are you running debootstrap on? [11:35] I've never seen that ... [11:35] breezy [11:35] Micksa: also, /var/lib/dpkg/available could be corrupt; try 'dselect update' [11:35] it was size 0 at the time [11:36] oh, fix that with 'dselect update'. :) [11:36] does that count as corrupt? :) [11:36] okay [11:37] didn't know you could rebuild available [11:37] how dumb am I [11:38] lamont: /proc is not mounted on x86 buildd? f-spot ftbfs === tuhl [~tuhl@p5498CAA3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tuhl [~tuhl@p5498CAA3.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:42] tseng : Is now. Giving back the package. [11:43] <\sh> lamont: ping === infinity puts on his rubber lamont mask. [11:45] \sh : pong [11:45] infinity: thanks! [11:46] <\sh> hehe... [11:46] <\sh> infinity: u have a nc6000 laptop? ,-) [11:47] \sh : Ahh, no. It's one small way in which lamont and I differ. And hair colour. [11:49] <\sh> infinity: hahaha... === jlj [~agp@cm-80.111.96.084.chello.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:25] KaiL_: we use 'ati' as the default because it just delegates to radeon === jdthood [jdthood@x105.decis.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] mdz: that's the one; every time we tripped that codepath, we'd set it back to false, so you don't get unexpected behaviours [12:26] mdz: sound sensible? [12:27] KaiL_: also, enabling DynamicClocks is *bad*. it's not just performance implications, it's that it causes a whole bunch of random laptops to just randomly lock up. [12:27] daniels: Do we have any idea how to enable the CRT out on Radeons or Geforces? === ogra [~ogra@p5089F78B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === susus [~sz@p5089F78B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:31] mjg59: radeons should happen automatically. nfi about geforces. [12:31] daniels: "Automatically" how? [12:31] mjg59: if you start X with a CRT plugged in, it should mirror [12:31] What if I plug in a CRT afterwards? [12:32] ... you lose [12:32] (And what if the CRT has different DDC limitations?) [12:32] I... see [12:32] if the CRT has higher limitations, it'll just expand [12:32] if the CRT has lower limitations, it should set up scrolling [12:32] But it ought to be possible to rip that code out of the radeon driver and implement a userspace tool to enable/disable? [12:33] um, sort of, yeah [12:33] Um. "Sort of"? [12:33] how do i prevent the console from blanking? [12:33] basically you want RADEON_CRTC_GEN_CNTL and RADEON_CRTC2_GEN_CNTL fiddling, et al [12:33] Ok, so it's mostly just basic register setup? [12:33] but you'd also probably need to program the clocks for that mode [12:34] i can't speak as to how complex it might be [12:34] the best would be a way to kick the X server, but we don't have one of those at the moment [12:34] Hmm. So it has different clocks for internal and external? Yeah, I guess that makes sense. [12:34] Ideally we want to be able to trigger on hotkey events [12:34] mjg59: well, on a laptop, it'd probably power down the crtc if you're just using lvds [12:35] mjg59: so you'd need to bring it up and then punch in the right parameters to get the mode you so desire [12:35] Yeah [12:35] But there's existing code that does that in the X server, right? [12:35] theoretically you could tell it to always assume a 1024x768 CRT and use a userspace tool to just force the clocks on and off [12:35] sabdfl: setvesablank [guessing though] [12:35] but that's, um, kind of nasty [12:35] heya [12:35] mjg59: yeah, mostly in radeon_driver.c [12:35] elmo: thanks [12:35] elmo: i'm trying to debug these lockups [12:36] daniels: My hacky thing was going to be to use whatever the screen resolution was at the time, and let people use xrandr to set that [12:37] heh [12:37] crtc always on -> no battery life though [12:37] Yeah [12:38] So have the display key generate an event that checks what hardware the machine has, checks what resolution the screen currently is and then calls the appropriate userspace tool [12:39] Then possibly hack the screen resolution app to update that whenever the user changes the resolution [12:39] ideally we'd be able to HAL it up and have X get kicked on display hotplug events === daniels waves his hands some more. [12:39] Yes. Yes, that would be the ideal solution. [12:39] If you can get that into 6.9/7.0, I will love you forever [12:39] ha ha [12:39] you do know we're releasing in like august, yeah? [12:40] Yes [12:40] sabdfl: might be worth trying a 2.6.12 kernel at some stage too [12:40] mjg59: cool [12:40] elmo: are you the person to bother about putting my key in main keyring? [12:40] (I hasten to add that I won't be writing that) [12:41] mjg59: soft. [12:42] Why will Intel not release 2D specs? [12:42] mjg59: because they hate our freedom [12:42] tseng: if you've got TB/CC approval, mail keyring@ [12:42] ergo, terrorists [12:42] elmo: thanks, seems to have worked [12:42] elmo: you at my place somewhere? [12:42] sabdfl: mossop street [12:43] The only public information seems to be "The 2D registers are a combination of registers based on the Video Graphics Array adapter and others that Intel has added to support graphics modes that have color depths, resolutions and hardware acceleration features that go beyond the original VGA standard" [12:43] THANKS, INTEL [12:44] JaneW: probably shouldnt link "ubuntu-meeting-current" as the log for [12:44] JaneW: Tb/CC, it doesnt stay relevant [12:44] elmo: coolio. marianne is here, we'll be around! [12:55] mjg59: where do you want the answers to the testing spec? wiki somewhere? [12:59] Nafallo: Nowhere yet [01:00] I want the spec to be sorted first [01:01] mjg59: oh, oki :-) [01:03] hi guys [01:03] my desktop keeps locking hard, running hoary [01:04] mdz told me to use alt-sysrq-t [01:04] but all it says is "Show status:" [01:04] and nothing further [01:04] gdm is not running [01:04] happens with and without acpi [01:04] bios hs been updated to latest version [01:04] any suggestions? [01:04] elmo mentioned using a serial cable [01:05] does the harddrive light go solid? [01:05] daniels: Hmm. There's some code in the nv driver to switch heads, but it's not clear whether that's for dual head PCI cards or what === mjg59 considers finding an nvidia machine and then just dumping the registers in both modes === spo0nman2 [~pankaj@59.92.136.234] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] jbailey mentioned checking for bad blocks.. but it took forever and wasnt the issue at all for me [01:06] so id save it for last. === Micksa poks mjg59 [01:07] pokes, even [01:07] mjg59: your blogs are entertaining [01:07] also [01:07] Haha [01:07] MY LAPTOP WON'T SUSPEND PLS HELP [01:07] daniels: Also, nvtv seems to have some code for i810-based tv out [01:08] Micksa: Hmm. What laptop? [01:08] inspiron 6000 [01:08] so far, on resume the screen is blank, attempting to blind-type commands doesn't work but sysrq combos do [01:08] haven't tried with X yet :) [01:09] Micksa: Ok, it's quite probably IDE resume issues [01:09] Micksa: Can you put /var/log/dmesg up somewhere? [01:09] you mean after the resume? :) [01:10] what parts of it? [01:10] No, the entirity of /var/log/dmesg after boot [01:11] mjg59: is it calling through VBE, or poking registers? [01:11] daniels: Poking registers [01:11] okay [01:11] mjg59: intriguing [01:11] Micksa: Is this Hoary or Breezy? === Micksa takes out the bits that say "mounting /mnt/pr0n" [01:11] breezy [01:11] 2.6.12 [01:11] Micksa: Hmm [01:12] Micksa: Less sure, then. There's a few things that will be going in in the near future that may help [01:12] google search for other peoples experiences gets more or less the same result with hoary at least [01:12] Micksa: Does caps lock work on resume? [01:13] um, hang on [01:13] I'm in the middle of trying to set up a minimal breezy on a ramdisk so I can narrow it down [01:13] (yes, I want STR that badly) === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:14] yes, capslock works [01:17] c'or, 56M initrd :) [01:18] i'm trying the colony1 install cd :) [01:18] is it likely to pick up an acx111 wifi card? [01:19] I thought it would, yes. [01:19] seems not mine [01:19] np [01:20] looks like the firmware is missing [01:20] Micksa: Hmm. Do you have a serial por? [01:20] mdke: ah, that would make sense. [01:20] mjg59: yes. [01:21] on a USB port replicator. [01:21] Mithrandir, maybe there is space on the install cd for more firmware, what do you think? === pitti [~pitti@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22]