| mdke | hi all | 01:59 |
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| mdke | omg | 02:00 |
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| venda | African Greetings | 08:56 |
| venda | jdub: wil be keeping us posted on developments in yelp | 08:59 |
| venda | opps will you be .. | 09:00 |
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| venda | Anyone up to merging the PPC stuff into FAQ Guide? | 10:35 |
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| mdke | morning all | 11:04 |
| sivang | morning mdke | 11:06 |
| sivang | froud-away: ping | 11:07 |
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| sivang | venda: ping, what's up with the nickname changw? ;-) | 11:08 |
| sivang | mdke: has he dropped he older nickname? | 11:09 |
| mdke | just when he's on his laptop i think | 11:09 |
| sivang | mdke: interestingly enough, I got "dumped" by that publisher in an update email last night, | 11:11 |
| sivang | mdke: I wonder what's froud's status :-) | 11:12 |
| mdke | which publisher? | 11:12 |
| sivang | mdke: weren't you here when we discussed how's a publiher trying to "work out" the doc team | 11:12 |
| sivang | mdke: in writing an ubuntu book | 11:12 |
| sivang | mdke: anyway, I'm interested in posting my perliminary TOC to the wiki, and hoefully interested people would follow it to produce a special book to help a complete newbs to linux adjust to Ubuntu | 11:13 |
| mdke | sivang, i sort of skimread the scrollback | 11:13 |
| sivang | mdke: ah nice, what do you think? | 11:13 |
| mdke | i didn't really get it ;) | 11:13 |
| mdke | sivang, what sort of special book did you have in mind? | 11:14 |
| venda | sivang: do it in svn | 11:14 |
| sivang | mdke: what's the license of the wiki these days? | 11:14 |
| mdke | sivang, is there no similar book already being worked on? | 11:14 |
| mdke | sivang, no idea *laughs* | 11:14 |
| venda | same as svn | 11:14 |
| sivang | venda: hey Sean, sup? | 11:15 |
| venda | sivang: tesim et ha avoda be svn | 11:15 |
| venda | lo liftoach be wiki | 11:15 |
| sivang | venda: Sababa, aval tagid lee ma ha rishayon shelo? | 11:15 |
| venda | whose idea | 11:16 |
| sivang | venda: Tageed, Manning deebroo eitcha me etmol? | 11:16 |
| venda | sivang: od lo | 11:16 |
| mdke | english pls | 11:16 |
| sivang | mdke: :-) | 11:17 |
| mdke | *grins* | 11:17 |
| mdke | so sivang is there no similar book already being worked on? | 11:18 |
| sivang | mdke: not that we could see, although jdub noted to a germen book about ubunut recently published | 11:19 |
| mdke | yes i saw that | 11:19 |
| mdke | sivang, so the Userguide doesn't interest you? | 11:20 |
| sivang | mdke: I am going to commit it to the svn, so you will be able to see where my idea follow in the perliminary TOC o created | 11:20 |
| sivang | mdke: it's cool,. but we need something introductry for Ubuntu | 11:20 |
| sivang | mdke: so I will be able to tell my windows addict freinds to take a look at | 11:20 |
| mdke | that is intended to be as introductory as possible | 11:20 |
| venda | sivang: you need to send public pgp keys to elmo | 11:20 |
| mdke | sivang, if you have some feedback on the userguide being too advanced, I'd be very interested because its intended to people who are TOTALLY new to Ubuntu | 11:21 |
| venda | svn co https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk | 11:21 |
| sivang | mdke: ok, I don | 11:22 |
| mdke | do/don't? | 11:22 |
| sivang | mdke: don't mind ideas taken from my commit into the users guide, | 11:22 |
| sivang | mdke: I just want to have this in our repor under the licenses as a means of "protection" | 11:22 |
| mdke | sivang, well if they are similar i feel it would be cool if you would work on the userguide itself | 11:22 |
| sivang | mdke: ofcourse | 11:23 |
| venda | chaps I think it is better to work on User Guide | 11:23 |
| mdke | i don't like the idea of two books being worked on which have the same user target | 11:23 |
| venda | +1 | 11:23 |
| mdke | the userguide is very young and it can be changed a lot, i'm v interested to see sivang 's TOC | 11:23 |
| venda | it is better to focus on making User Guide a good book | 11:23 |
| sivang | venda: true | 11:23 |
| venda | sivang: can you merge your ideas into user guide | 11:24 |
| sivang | venda: however, I suspect my rather wide introduction could frustrate other users who have already knowlege about linux wanting to use the book | 11:24 |
| sivang | venda: first let me put this list so we won't loose it ;-) | 11:24 |
| mdke | sure | 11:24 |
| sivang | venda: second, I promise to try to :-) | 11:24 |
| mdke | thanks | 11:24 |
| venda | sivang: lets see it and then we can decide | 11:25 |
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| sivang | venda: I am also going to commit my email corrospondance with them, | 11:25 |
| venda | I think our collective approach will do the best thing | 11:25 |
| mdke | venda, btw I wanted to ask, what is the help viewer that openoffice uses? | 11:25 |
| venda | mdke: its their own | 11:25 |
| mdke | ... | 11:26 |
| mdke | does it have a name? | 11:26 |
| venda | Hmm dunno | 11:26 |
| venda | why | 11:26 |
| mdke | its nice | 11:26 |
| venda | yes so if FF | 11:27 |
| mdke | its light tho | 11:27 |
| venda | but as you can see from the list all talk about helpviewers is a time waster | 11:27 |
| mdke | yes | 11:27 |
| venda | I am not sure that we should change our strategy on the notion that one or other viewer will support what it we are doing | 11:28 |
| venda | I hope others on the team agree with me on this | 11:28 |
| mdke | venda, i'm not sure | 11:28 |
| venda | mdke: expand | 11:28 |
| mdke | ok | 11:29 |
| mdke | its a chicken and egg thing | 11:29 |
| mdke | you say the help viewer doesn't support what we are doing | 11:29 |
| venda | right | 11:29 |
| mdke | but the only reason for that is that we haven't limited what we are doing to what the help viewer will support | 11:29 |
| mdke | e.g. by doing the faqgude in q+a | 11:30 |
| venda | why settle for less? | 11:30 |
| mdke | i partially agree | 11:30 |
| mdke | but | 11:30 |
| mdke | i think i told you already, i felt that ubuntu wouldn't be interested in shipping a new help viewer | 11:31 |
| mdke | so i felt that going ahead without them was dangerous | 11:31 |
| venda | I am not shipping a new help viewer | 11:31 |
| mdke | i thought you were | 11:31 |
| venda | no | 11:31 |
| mdke | what was that screenshot then? | 11:31 |
| venda | I said I would like to develop a help viewer | 11:31 |
| venda | that is a drawing of a web-based app | 11:32 |
| venda | the user agent can be any browser | 11:32 |
| venda | it is HTML + CSS + JSCRIPT | 11:32 |
| mdke | i don't have a problem with us shipping html instead of xml, but yelp should probably be the Ubuntu help viewer i feel, if they can get searching implemented, then that will help | 11:32 |
| venda | Great if they do, but Yelp also displays HTML | 11:32 |
| mdke | thats what I mean | 11:33 |
| venda | the problem is the XSLs that are in Yelp | 11:33 |
| mdke | but at the same time, i'm probably not going to get involved with the email because I don't have the expertise | 11:33 |
| venda | Yelp trys to perform a dynamic transformation | 11:33 |
| venda | It does not support many of the auto processing features we can usewith docbook | 11:33 |
| venda | the requirements list shows that | 11:34 |
| venda | qanda is not a big job for them to do | 11:34 |
| venda | but the gnome team dont use faq so they just dont support it | 11:34 |
| venda | I can understand this | 11:34 |
| mdke | well the faq can ship as html and be viewed in yelp right? | 11:35 |
| venda | but why should we not be able to use FAQ format | 11:35 |
| venda | yes | 11:35 |
| mdke | thats ok then | 11:35 |
| venda | everything can be shipped as html and viewed in yelp | 11:35 |
| venda | faq is a good example | 11:36 |
| venda | I am adding kubuntu and ubuntu profiles and PPC | 11:36 |
| venda | yelp wont support profiling | 11:37 |
| mdke | will yelp handle that? | 11:37 |
| venda | no | 11:37 |
| mdke | then don't add the profiling | 11:37 |
| mdke | otherwise the docs which you add it to won't be usable with Ubuntu | 11:37 |
| venda | but if I transform to HTML they can view it and we can manage the target books with less overhead | 11:37 |
| venda | i18n job is also made easier | 11:38 |
| mdke | but will yelp handle the profiling in html? | 11:38 |
| venda | there is no profile in the html | 11:38 |
| mdke | so it makes 3 htmls? | 11:38 |
| venda | yes | 11:38 |
| mdke | ok thats fine | 11:38 |
| mdke | that's what i meant | 11:38 |
| venda | from a single source | 11:38 |
| venda | ok I must go now | 11:38 |
| mdke | right | 11:38 |
| venda | I must go out | 11:38 |
| mdke | have a nice weekend | 11:38 |
| venda | c ya b b later | 11:38 |
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| sivang | mdke: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UserGuide | 01:28 |
| sivang | mdke: this is what I Have been talking about | 01:41 |
| sivang | _froud_: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UserGuide | 01:41 |
| mdke | sivang, merci, will look at it later on, gtg out right now | 01:42 |
| mdke | thanks | 01:42 |
| sivang | mdke: no prob, as along as we keep stuff in the community :-) | 01:53 |
| Kinnison | Morning people | 01:54 |
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| sivang | hey Kinnison , ! | 01:56 |
| Kinnison | ! | 01:56 |
| Kinnison | How are you today? | 01:56 |
| sivang | Kinnison: fine I guess , bit frustraed due to the mass desire to rewrite code that partially already exists, and can be used to build and improve on | 01:58 |
| sivang | Kinnison: referring to some specs from UDU | 01:58 |
| sivang | Kinnison: specifically, all the buzz about System/GNOME settings and managment tool | 01:58 |
| sivang | Kinnison: tools, even | 01:58 |
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| sivang | Kinnison: I mean, it's true that most of the backedns are perlish, but that doesn't mean we have to toss them altogether | 01:59 |
| sivang | Kinnison: and python isn't probably the answer to everything ;-) | 02:00 |
| === Kinnison grins | ||
| sivang | Kinnison: Anyway, I'm a bit sick, I'll hit the bed, see you later! | 02:11 |
| sivang | Kinnison: bye | 02:11 |
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| venda | any free choices above IDLE for learning Python | 04:26 |
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| sivang | venda: ping | 06:04 |
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| venda | good night ppl | 09:48 |
| venda | I have started porting kudos.berlios.de into FAQ Guide. Anyone wanting to do some work in this area is welcome. | 09:49 |
| venda | There should be enough example in the FAQ Guide now so that people know how to markup for profiling between GNOME and KDE | 09:49 |
| venda | I could really use some help on this as Kudos is big | 09:50 |
| venda | and I would like to get it complete in as short a time possible | 09:50 |
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