[01:59] hi all [02:00] omg === mdke checks his email === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-88.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.95.57.102] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === swe3tdave [~swe3tdave@Toronto-HSE-ppp3760972.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mvirkkil [~mvirkkil@vipunen.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-doc === venda [~sean@ndn-165-138-57.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:56] African Greetings [08:59] jdub: wil be keeping us posted on developments in yelp [09:00] opps will you be .. === SnakeBite [~SnakeBite@84.242.143.67] has joined #ubuntu-doc === venda [~sean@ndn-165-138-57.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === SnakeBite [~SnakeBite@84.242.143.67] has left #ubuntu-doc [""] === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:35] Anyone up to merging the PPC stuff into FAQ Guide? === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:04] morning all [11:06] morning mdke [11:07] froud-away: ping === mdke points sivang towards venda [11:08] venda: ping, what's up with the nickname changw? ;-) [11:09] mdke: has he dropped he older nickname? [11:09] just when he's on his laptop i think [11:11] mdke: interestingly enough, I got "dumped" by that publisher in an update email last night, [11:12] mdke: I wonder what's froud's status :-) [11:12] which publisher? [11:12] mdke: weren't you here when we discussed how's a publiher trying to "work out" the doc team [11:12] mdke: in writing an ubuntu book [11:13] mdke: anyway, I'm interested in posting my perliminary TOC to the wiki, and hoefully interested people would follow it to produce a special book to help a complete newbs to linux adjust to Ubuntu [11:13] sivang, i sort of skimread the scrollback [11:13] mdke: ah nice, what do you think? [11:13] i didn't really get it ;) [11:14] sivang, what sort of special book did you have in mind? [11:14] sivang: do it in svn [11:14] mdke: what's the license of the wiki these days? [11:14] sivang, is there no similar book already being worked on? [11:14] sivang, no idea *laughs* [11:14] same as svn [11:15] venda: hey Sean, sup? [11:15] sivang: tesim et ha avoda be svn [11:15] lo liftoach be wiki [11:15] venda: Sababa, aval tagid lee ma ha rishayon shelo? [11:16] whose idea [11:16] venda: Tageed, Manning deebroo eitcha me etmol? [11:16] sivang: od lo [11:16] english pls [11:17] mdke: :-) [11:17] *grins* [11:18] so sivang is there no similar book already being worked on? [11:19] mdke: not that we could see, although jdub noted to a germen book about ubunut recently published [11:19] yes i saw that [11:20] sivang, so the Userguide doesn't interest you? [11:20] mdke: I am going to commit it to the svn, so you will be able to see where my idea follow in the perliminary TOC o created [11:20] mdke: it's cool,. but we need something introductry for Ubuntu [11:20] mdke: so I will be able to tell my windows addict freinds to take a look at [11:20] that is intended to be as introductory as possible [11:20] sivang: you need to send public pgp keys to elmo [11:21] sivang, if you have some feedback on the userguide being too advanced, I'd be very interested because its intended to people who are TOTALLY new to Ubuntu [11:21] svn co https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk [11:22] mdke: ok, I don [11:22] do/don't? [11:22] mdke: don't mind ideas taken from my commit into the users guide, [11:22] mdke: I just want to have this in our repor under the licenses as a means of "protection" [11:22] sivang, well if they are similar i feel it would be cool if you would work on the userguide itself [11:23] mdke: ofcourse [11:23] chaps I think it is better to work on User Guide [11:23] i don't like the idea of two books being worked on which have the same user target [11:23] +1 [11:23] the userguide is very young and it can be changed a lot, i'm v interested to see sivang 's TOC [11:23] it is better to focus on making User Guide a good book [11:23] venda: true [11:24] sivang: can you merge your ideas into user guide [11:24] venda: however, I suspect my rather wide introduction could frustrate other users who have already knowlege about linux wanting to use the book [11:24] venda: first let me put this list so we won't loose it ;-) [11:24] sure [11:24] venda: second, I promise to try to :-) [11:24] thanks [11:25] sivang: lets see it and then we can decide === mdke nods [11:25] venda: I am also going to commit my email corrospondance with them, [11:25] I think our collective approach will do the best thing [11:25] venda, btw I wanted to ask, what is the help viewer that openoffice uses? [11:25] mdke: its their own [11:26] ... [11:26] does it have a name? [11:26] Hmm dunno [11:26] why [11:26] its nice [11:27] yes so if FF [11:27] its light tho [11:27] but as you can see from the list all talk about helpviewers is a time waster [11:27] yes [11:28] I am not sure that we should change our strategy on the notion that one or other viewer will support what it we are doing [11:28] I hope others on the team agree with me on this [11:28] venda, i'm not sure [11:28] mdke: expand [11:29] ok [11:29] its a chicken and egg thing [11:29] you say the help viewer doesn't support what we are doing [11:29] right [11:29] but the only reason for that is that we haven't limited what we are doing to what the help viewer will support [11:30] e.g. by doing the faqgude in q+a [11:30] why settle for less? [11:30] i partially agree [11:30] but [11:31] i think i told you already, i felt that ubuntu wouldn't be interested in shipping a new help viewer [11:31] so i felt that going ahead without them was dangerous [11:31] I am not shipping a new help viewer [11:31] i thought you were [11:31] no [11:31] what was that screenshot then? [11:31] I said I would like to develop a help viewer [11:32] that is a drawing of a web-based app [11:32] the user agent can be any browser [11:32] it is HTML + CSS + JSCRIPT [11:32] i don't have a problem with us shipping html instead of xml, but yelp should probably be the Ubuntu help viewer i feel, if they can get searching implemented, then that will help [11:32] Great if they do, but Yelp also displays HTML [11:33] thats what I mean [11:33] the problem is the XSLs that are in Yelp [11:33] but at the same time, i'm probably not going to get involved with the email because I don't have the expertise [11:33] Yelp trys to perform a dynamic transformation [11:33] It does not support many of the auto processing features we can usewith docbook [11:34] the requirements list shows that [11:34] qanda is not a big job for them to do [11:34] but the gnome team dont use faq so they just dont support it [11:34] I can understand this [11:35] well the faq can ship as html and be viewed in yelp right? [11:35] but why should we not be able to use FAQ format [11:35] yes [11:35] thats ok then [11:35] everything can be shipped as html and viewed in yelp [11:36] faq is a good example [11:36] I am adding kubuntu and ubuntu profiles and PPC [11:37] yelp wont support profiling [11:37] will yelp handle that? [11:37] no [11:37] then don't add the profiling [11:37] otherwise the docs which you add it to won't be usable with Ubuntu [11:37] but if I transform to HTML they can view it and we can manage the target books with less overhead [11:38] i18n job is also made easier [11:38] but will yelp handle the profiling in html? [11:38] there is no profile in the html [11:38] so it makes 3 htmls? [11:38] yes [11:38] ok thats fine [11:38] that's what i meant [11:38] from a single source [11:38] ok I must go now [11:38] right [11:38] I must go out [11:38] have a nice weekend [11:38] c ya b b later === venda [~sean@ndn-165-138-57.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] === _froud_ [~froud@ndn-165-138-57.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:28] mdke: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UserGuide [01:41] mdke: this is what I Have been talking about [01:41] _froud_: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UserGuide [01:42] sivang, merci, will look at it later on, gtg out right now [01:42] thanks [01:53] mdke: no prob, as along as we keep stuff in the community :-) [01:54] Morning people === venda [~sean@ndn-165-138-57.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:56] hey Kinnison , ! [01:56] ! [01:56] How are you today? [01:58] Kinnison: fine I guess , bit frustraed due to the mass desire to rewrite code that partially already exists, and can be used to build and improve on [01:58] Kinnison: referring to some specs from UDU [01:58] Kinnison: specifically, all the buzz about System/GNOME settings and managment tool [01:58] Kinnison: tools, even === Kinnison grins [01:59] Kinnison: I mean, it's true that most of the backedns are perlish, but that doesn't mean we have to toss them altogether [02:00] Kinnison: and python isn't probably the answer to everything ;-) === Kinnison grins [02:11] Kinnison: Anyway, I'm a bit sick, I'll hit the bed, see you later! [02:11] Kinnison: bye === _froud_ is now known as froud === froud is now known as froud-away [04:26] any free choices above IDLE for learning Python === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:04] venda: ping === venda [~sean@ndn-165-138-57.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:48] good night ppl [09:49] I have started porting kudos.berlios.de into FAQ Guide. Anyone wanting to do some work in this area is welcome. [09:49] There should be enough example in the FAQ Guide now so that people know how to markup for profiling between GNOME and KDE [09:50] I could really use some help on this as Kudos is big [09:50] and I would like to get it complete in as short a time possible === thesaltydog [~pippo@host42-45.pool62211.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === thesaltydog [~pippo@host42-45.pool62211.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === carthik [~carthik@user-0cej7av.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc