[12:00] <katie> i have a problem lol
[12:00] <owen> Xylene|Laptop, any reason for wanting a 2.4 kernel?
[12:00] <Xylene|Laptop> want to see if there is any performance difference on this machine, this thing is slow, heh
[12:01] <owen> Xylene|Laptop, hehe, ok. 1 second
[12:01] <danko123456> katie: you are wasting space on the screen:-p
[12:01] <nalioth> p88 sorry, can't seem to find it, it was a kinda rough terminal client from scandinavia
[12:01] <`psycho6> hi ppls
[12:01] <katie> im not wasting space :(
[12:01] <dooglus> owen: what about this then:    gcc vik1.c -I/usr/X11R6/include -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11
[12:01] <goldfish> katie: hello again :)
[12:01] <`psycho6> can somebody help me out please with NX?
[12:01] <katie> hi goldfish :)
[12:01] <danko123456> katie: Ill explain once what I mean.
[12:01] <dooglus> owen: if it can't find header files, you have to use -I to tell it where to look.
[12:02] <dooglus> owen: if it can't find libraries, you have to use -L to tell it where to look.
[12:02] <katie> you do that dankol lol
[12:02] <`psycho6> i'm am not able to connect to it when i try to do it from a clean "server" install
[12:02] <dooglus> owen: in your case it can't find either, so you have to use both -I and -L
[12:02] <`psycho6> but if i usee the full install then everything works
[12:02] <`psycho6> i guess i'm missing something
[12:02] <`psycho6> :X
[12:02] <katie> i need to get into this site and it says i have to instal shokwave....
[12:02] <dooglus> katie: there's no shockwave player for Linux
[12:03] <katie> oh
[12:03] <goldfish> yeah :/
[12:03] <`psycho6> anyone?
[12:03] <katie> oh well lol
[12:03] <dooglus> katie: the easiest way to see shockwave stuff is to run Windows.
[12:03] <`psycho6> :S
[12:03] <katie> that sucks :( lol
[12:03] <Tristeen> or run exploder in wine.
[12:03] <owen> excellent, that does work. Now, time to fix LD_LIBRARY_PATH and such!
[12:03] <nalioth> dooglus: bite your tongue
[12:03] <dooglus> katie: it may be possible to use Wine or VMware or win4lin or any of those other Windows-for-Linux type programs, but I've never had any luck with any of them
[12:03] <dooglus> nalioth: say it's not true then...
[12:04] <nalioth> katie: buy a used macintosh (it'll keep from the windows taint)
[12:04] <dooglus> the fact is, macromedia don't provide a linux version of their shockwave player.
[12:04] <nalioth> dooglus: i wouldnt recommend windoze to any1
[12:04] <katie> oh oh and oh
[12:04] <katie> lol
[12:04] <Tristeen> I just dont watch anything shockwave.
[12:04] <katie> awwww i cant go on this site i wanted to go on :(
[12:04] <danko123456> katie: what site, please?
[12:04] <dooglus> nalioth: I wasn't recommending it - just that it's the easiest way to get tied in to a macromedia product, if that's what you're looking to do.
[12:04] <Jatos> hi
[12:04] <medkit> anyone played already with sysvconfig?
[12:04] <katie> umm habbohotel lol
[12:05] <katie> i was bored so i wanted to go on it lol
[12:05] <owen> Mmm, seems like in Breezy, the X libraries were moved to different locations without the poor linker knowing. at least, my guess!
[12:05] <dooglus> katie: one of my favourite playtime sites is www.isketch.net - and I can't go there in linux either, 'cos it's shockwave.
[12:05] <Jatos> core enough people gere
[12:05] <NetGeek> use terminal server client to connect to a Windows box, and use IE from there
[12:05] <dooglus> owen: the poor linker never knows, does it?
[12:05] <katie> i used to go on it but u need shokwave now :(
[12:05] <danko123456> katie: URL link, please.
[12:05] <katie> which it sucks lol
[12:06] <dooglus> owen: on hoary, I see this:
[12:06] <dooglus> chris@chrislap:~/tmp$ gcc vik1.c -lX11 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11
[12:06] <owen> dooglus, never, unless we tell it through the magical environmental variables.
[12:06] <katie> www.habbohotel.com
[12:06] <dooglus> see - the linker doesn't know where to find the libraries on hoary either unless I tell it
[12:06] <dooglus> owen: so did the last compile line I suggested work for oyu?
[12:06] <dooglus> for yuou?
[12:06] <Jatos> I have just been to #gaim
[12:06] <dooglus> for - oh I give up.  Damned beer!
[12:06] <owen> yep
[12:06] <katie> i like gaim! :-D
[12:06] <Jatos> are many as rude as that lot
[12:06] <Xylene|Laptop> owen, the link?
[12:06] <Jatos> I don't...
[12:07] <katie> lol
[12:07] <dooglus> I've been to see Avril Lavigne in concert tonight.  It was pretty dire, so I got drunk instead.
[12:07] <owen> Xylene|Laptop, sorry bout that, 1 sec ;-)
[12:07] <Xylene|Laptop> ok
[12:07] <Jatos> and I have decided that I certainly don;'t liek its developers
[12:07] <danko123456> katie: please do this command, sudo aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla && sud aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
[12:07] <Jatos> lol @ dooglus
[12:07] <dooglus> danko123456: flash isn't shockwave
[12:07] <katie> ummm
[12:07] <owen> dooglus, worked great
[12:07] <danko123456> dooglus: try the site:-p
[12:08] <dooglus> danko123456: ah, i see.
[12:08] <dooglus> :)
[12:08] <danko123456> whats a habbo hotel??:)
[12:08] <`psycho6> anyone..?
[12:08] <`psycho6> nx server
[12:08] <Jatos> @dooglus - I find it difficult to tel the difference sometimes
[12:08] <katie> i might as well leave it if i cant use it....i can easily go on the site at the library lol hehe
[12:08] <`psycho6> help~
[12:08] <`psycho6> :D
[12:08] <medkit> anyone experienced in disabling boot-up modules?
[12:08] <Jatos> its a site aimed mainly at kids
[12:08] <Jatos> habbo hotel that is
[12:08] <owen> dooglus, hacked up the LD_LIBRARY_PATH to work much better ;-)
[12:08] <danko123456> `psycho6: whats NX?
[12:08] <crimsun> medkit: you could just blacklist them
[12:08] <dooglus> danko123456: I take that back - it is shockwave, and it doesn't work in linux
[12:08] <katie> yeah thats why i said i used 2 go on it lol
[12:09] <Jatos> medkit - is sylinks what your looking to disable?
[12:09] <danko123456> katie: if you want to try what I said, it has a good chance of working.
[12:09] <`psycho6> danko: it's a way to to a remote desktop connection, like vnc but does a compression on X level
[12:09] <medkit> crimsun, i've got the this answer before but noone could tell me how to blacklist
[12:09] <dooglus> danko123456: it has no chance of working
[12:09] <katie> hmm...i would....but cant be asked now lol....im too lazy....thanks anyway :)
[12:09] <dooglus> danko123456: the adverts are flash, but the game itself is shockwave
[12:09] <Xylene|Laptop> owen?
[12:09] <Jatos> medkit - look at the /etc/rc folders
[12:09] <crimsun> medkit: echo "somemodule" | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[12:09] <medkit> Jatos, no, i want to disable the modules hpt3xx and hpt366
[12:09] <danko123456> dooglus: it works here, i told you already to go to the site.
[12:10] <Jatos> ah then I am not the one to help you orry
[12:10] <humanprototype> hi all, whats the boot path for ubuntu?
[12:10] <Jatos> I am not  linux expert
[12:10] <owen> Xylene|Laptop, here you go:
[12:10] <nalioth> humanprototype: boot path?
[12:10] <katie> right, people im off again....if i get bored i will drop by to say hello :) if you dont mind that is :)
[12:10] <humanprototype> yeah
[12:10] <medkit> crimsun, will try and report back
[12:11] <owen> Xylene|Laptop, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelHowto -- don't know if that works for 2.4 or not
[12:11] <`psycho6> nobody knows?
[12:11] <humanprototype> the line u hand to grub so you can get into ubuntu
[12:11] <`psycho6> :(
[12:11] <crimsun> medkit: those are controller modules, though. Are you sure they aren't present in the initrd?
[12:11] <Xylene|Laptop> probably doesn't. i'll just change to normal debian
[12:11] <katie> well speak soon boys and girls :)
[12:11] <nalioth> humanprototype: that is entirely different per each system
[12:11] <dooglus> danko123456: I've gone there.  i see animations on the first page, flash animations, but when you try to 'check in' to the hotel, it tells you to install shockwave
[12:11] <katie> bye bye all xx
[12:11] <nalioth> humanprototype: and i can't help u, cuz i run yaboot
[12:11] <lleberg_> how do i extract a file thats devided into many rar-files?
[12:11] <humanprototype> nalioth: how can i find/ work mine out?
[12:11] <yac> hey, how can I set up an outbound interface to use for a firewall?
[12:11] <humanprototype> nalioth: whats yaboot? anothe boot manager?
[12:11] <crimsun> lleberg_: install unrar-nonfree from multiverse, then extra the first one in the set.
[12:11] <owen> Xylene|Laptop, what kind of hardware are you running on?
[12:11] <nalioth> lleberg_: start your unrarring onthe first one
[12:12] <danko123456> dooglus: :-!
[12:12] <nalioth> humanprototype: yaboot is for PPC machines
[12:12] <crimsun> extract, not extra
[12:12] <medkit> crimsun, yes, dmesg reports them. I have a hpt3xx tar.gz and the readme tells to disable hpt3xx and 366 first before trying to make, install...
[12:12] <humanprototype> nalioth: ok, cool, know where i can find out the boot line?
[12:12] <Xylene|Laptop> owen, 433 k6-2, 128MB ram
[12:12] <medkit> crimsun, i have a hpt 372 controller and the harddisks are not recognized
[12:13] <nalioth> humanprototype: not sure, havent run a x86 in years, and prefer lilo
[12:13] <crimsun> humanprototype: the present one is /proc/cmdline
[12:13] <crimsun> medkit: with Hoary?
[12:13] <jose> mi hermano no sabe poner un ordenador en red
[12:13] <owen> Xylene|Laptop, hm. Gnome may run a little pokey on that configuration; I'm not sure. what WM did you use with Gentoo?
[12:13] <medkit> crimsun, right, with Hoary
[12:13] <nalioth> jose: en ingles, por favor
[12:13] <Xylene|Laptop> i never used linux on here until now. i used gentoo on other machines, some slower
[12:13] <medkit> crimsun, it is a simple 4 port ide controller
[12:14] <Xylene|Laptop> i might just put gentoo on here, though it'll take forever
[12:14] <dooglus> danko123456: from the page source: <object classid="clsid:166B1BCA-3F9C-11CF-8075-444553540000" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/director/sw.cab#version=8,5,1,0" id="habbo" width="720" height="540">
[12:14] <Xylene|Laptop> does debian sarge use 2.6 kernel?
[12:14] <dooglus> jose join #ubuntu-es
[12:15] <humanprototype> crimsun: how did you find that out?
[12:15] <owen> Xylene|Laptop, I see. You might try a custom kernel, but I don't know...
[12:15] <medkit> crimsun, an additional 4 port pci ide controller to be exact
[12:15] <crimsun> humanprototype: it has been that for quite some time
[12:16] <humanprototype> crimsun: so is that the line to give to fedora too boot into ubuntu?
[12:16] <crimsun> humanprototype: assuming the parameters are identical, yes
[12:17] <danko123456> dooglus: yeah, I found out, thanks. the :-! was for me:)
[12:17] <medkit> crimsun, the modules are listed in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-k7/kernel/drivers/ide/pci
[12:18] <dooglus> danko123456: I don't know what :-! means, sorry :)
[12:18] <linuxboy> what are the alternatives to gnome and kde in ubuntu?
[12:18] <danko123456> its nice in gaim:) ont worry, konversation terminated:)
[12:18] <danko123456> linuxboy: how cute you would ask. http://xwinman.org/ .
[12:19] <humanprototype> crimsun: cool, thanks
[12:19] <dooglus> to change the subject completely, is there any way to stop Gnome (or nautilus, or whatever does it) from thinking I'm talking to it when I do alt-F1 and alt-F2?  I want alt-F1 and alt-F2 to do to the application, not to the window manager / gnome / whatever
[12:20] <danko123456> yes, dooglus, I would at this time do it this way, maybe, I would try anyhow... I would go into kde, or another wm that uses x shortcuts, not ghnome ones, then I would return to gnome, and the computer would ask me if I want gnome, or x shortcuts, and I would say I want x ones.
[12:20] <uc50ic4more> linuboy - xfce4 is a favorite among those who like the gnome look/ feel but require or prefer less resource a hungry display
[12:22] <goldfish> linuxboy: fluxbox is cool
[12:23] <dooglus> linuxboy: the alternatives available are: afterstep, blackbox, fluxbox, fvwm, fvwm-gnome, gnome-session, icewm, icewm-experimental, icewm-lite, ion3, ksmserver, openbox, wmaker, and xfce4-utils
[12:23] <dooglus> danko123456: I've never been asked that question.
[12:24] <dooglus> danko123456: I've only installed fluxbox though, not kde
[12:24] <danko123456> yeah, try something else, tho, like 9wm, or fvwm, I think, no icebox.
[12:24] <jose> you know the project yast for debian?
[12:24] <Jatos> is there any way of getting rid of the laf that I get when running gnome
[12:24] <Jatos> I get this stupid lag o n my PC
[12:25] <goldfish> Jatos: try xfce or fluxbox maybe
[12:25] <danko123456> Jatos: try xfce4, I guess.
[12:25] <goldfish> they are faster
[12:25] <dooglus> Jatos: if you find out, please let me know how.  I hate it too.
[12:25] <dooglus> Jatos: how much lag?  Is it a 3 second lag that happens some times but not other times?
[12:25] <danko123456> well, taht site I linked him to gives him all the possible alternatives, and screenshots, and such, read that site, it is fun.
[12:25] <danko123456> referring to linuxboy.^
[12:25] <nova> xfce is damn nice but no desk top icons :\
[12:26] <goldfish> who needs icons....
[12:26] <nova> me lol
[12:26] <stuNNed> nova: the concept is create em as you go?
[12:26] <nova> like 4 icons heh
[12:26] <Jatos> the lag us just a constant thing of graphics been processed slwoly
[12:26] <nova> create what stunned?
[12:26] <Jatos> I would rather exact other solutions before changing my window manager
[12:26] <nova> fxce has no icon support at all that i can find
[12:27] <danko123456> nova: put the icons ont he panel/toolbar
[12:27] <nova> true but man bit cluttered that way
[12:27] <jose> for the second time
[12:27] <jose> you know the project yast for debian?
[12:27] <danko123456> yeah, I want the desktop too.
[12:27] <danko123456> jose: do you know it?
[12:28] <Jatos> its tehre any way if speeding up my linux box in general - removing some symlink, uninstallnig sometihng?
[12:28] <Jatos> things like that
[12:28] <danko123456> Jatos: try xfce4 or flux/blackbox.
[12:28] <Jatos> I DON'T want to change the window manager if I can avoid it
[12:29] <dooglus> Jatos: did you run 'top' and check if anything is hogging the CPU?
[12:29] <Jatos> no
[12:29] <Jatos> what is it?
[12:29] <dooglus> Jatos: try doing that
[12:29] <Jatos> do I put top into shell?
[12:29] <dooglus> right-click on the desktop, click 'open terminal', then type 'top' at the prompt and hit return.
[12:30] <dooglus> yup
[12:30] <Jatos> thanks
[12:30] <dooglus> see on the 3rd line, there's "93% id" or something - what number do you see before "id"?
[12:30] <jose> I have to a friend working in yast for debian
[12:30] <dooglus> (the "id" number is how idle your CPU is)
[12:31] <Jatos> one thing - ubuntu is the only decent free linux distro I have found
[12:31] <jose> it only wanted to know if its work is well-known at this moment
[12:31] <Jatos> I can't run the command now
[12:31] <dooglus> Jatos: why not?
[12:31] <Jatos> I am currently using my windows box
[12:31] <humanprototype> jatos: i like fedora as well...
[12:31] <dooglus> Jatos: heheh.
[12:31] <Jatos> I need to shove the power pack in my linux box
[12:31] <dooglus> Jatos: fair enough.
[12:32] <dooglus> Jatos: that would probably make it run faster
[12:32] <Jatos> lol!
[12:32] <dooglus> this box runs really slowly if I take the power supply away
[12:32] <DXT> is there a problem with the backports repository right now?
[12:32] <Jatos> yeah
[12:32] <jcole> i installed vnc4server, but when i add 'Load "vnc"' to xorg.conf and restart X, the xorg log says it cannot find the vnc module... any insight to this? works in debian just fine
[12:32] <Jatos> I would agree a system can't really run fast without a pp
[12:33] <DXT> Jatos: that 'yeah' was for me?
[12:33] <Jatos> no
[12:33] <jcole> #apt-file search vnc.so
[12:33] <jcole> vnc4server: usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so
[12:34] <danko123456> DXT: did you read the forums? the servers moved a while ago..
[12:34] <danko123456> he leaves...
[12:34] <Jatos> btw does anyone know of a GAIM alternative that has a similar feature set to the proprietary messengers
[12:34] <danko123456> gaim.
[12:35] <Jatos> I am not going to get it on GAIM - the developers are too bloody arrogant to implement something like that
[12:35] <danko123456> Jatos: in kde, kopete, on osX adium
[12:35] <jcole> Jatos: similar features? like what?
[12:35] <caffinated> Jatos: kopete, but it's QT.  there is also bitlbee, which is a very interesting approach.
[12:35] <Jatos> nudge, winks, video voice etc
[12:35] <danko123456> Jatos: dont get upset till you know whos fault it is...
[12:35] <jose> bye
[12:35] <caffinated> basicly, bitlbee acts like an irc server, so you can use IM in your favorite IRC client
[12:36] <Jatos> I am pretty sure some of the people I spoke to where developers
[12:36] <jcole> Jatos: what feature?
[12:36] <caffinated> i use it at home so i can screen my IRC/IM no matter what terminal i'm at
[12:36] <Jatos> have you used msn7?
[12:36] <dooglus> Jatos: the 'handwriting' feature in MSN7 is nice
[12:37] <jcole> Jatos: stock ticker? email alert?
[12:37] <dooglus> Jatos: nudges and winks I can live without
[12:37] <Jatos> I haven't used that - msn 7 has some really nice features
[12:37] <danko123456> shove it up their asses, I always say for M$ related products:)
[12:37] <Jatos> yeah but I can't dooglus ;-)
[12:37] <goldfish> msn billiards is fun
[12:37] <Jatos> I beginning to liek MS more than I did in the past
[12:37] <jcole> Jatos: email alert is in gaim already... weather, stock, etc. can be added as an applet in gnome
[12:37] <lleberg_> Why does my xmms get the status "allways on top" all the time? :)
[12:37] <danko123456> so are concentration camps...
[12:37] <lleberg_> oh, i see
[12:38] <danko123456> Jatos: learning to appreciate their effort?
[12:38] <magog> whats the command t mount a .bin ?
[12:38] <Jatos> I would appreciate it more if they where polite
[12:38] <lleberg_> in windows ctrl a does mark all.. but xmms doesn't have sutch a feature in the playlist
[12:38] <lleberg_> and ctrl a does allways on top..
[12:38] <lleberg_> :(
[12:38] <danko123456> sudo chmod +x something.bin && ./something.bin
[12:38] <kori[idiot] > lleberg_, use some gtk app
[12:39] <kori[idiot] > for example, beep media player.
[12:39] <danko123456> ctrl+a works like you said first lleberg_.
[12:39] <dooglus> danko123456: I think he means a .cue/.bin CD image
[12:39] <Jatos> btw danko ,where you referring to GAIM or MS products?
[12:39] <ubuntu> como conectar ubuntu em modo brigge adsl
[12:39] <danko123456> dooglus: good!
[12:39] <danko123456> !es
[12:39] <ubotu> No idea, danko123456
[12:39] <dooglus> danko123456: it's an CD image format like .iso.  as for how you mount it - um....
[12:39] <lleberg_> danko123456: I'm windows-injured! :<
[12:39] <magog> yea its a .bin image
[12:40] <dooglus> .bin is a nero format isn't it?
[12:40] <zenrox> no
[12:40] <magog> no
[12:40] <danko123456> retards.
[12:40] <zenrox> cdrwin
[12:40] <calc> magog: afaik you can't mount a bin unless it really is an iso9660 image
[12:40] <danko123456> paulovv: #ubuntu-es + sudo pppoeconf
[12:40] <Jatos> I am getting confused here
[12:40] <zenrox> get bchunk and convert a .bin and .cue to and .iso
[12:40] <calc> you can burn it with cdrdao though
[12:40] <kent> magnon, hade you tried "sudo mount -o loop  file.bin /media/cdrom"  (Well, make sure that /media/cdrom is not mounted.. :)
[12:40] <dooglus> so you can burn it, and read it back as a .iso...  seems like a waste of a disk though
[12:41] <magog> calc, my burner is shot i need to mount it, i already tried esxtracting data but it didnt work as i needed, it has to be mounted
[12:41] <calc> dooglus: well a bin/cue can be any format, not just iso
[12:41] <Jatos> lol @ dooglas
[12:41] <calc> magog: see what zenrox said about bchunk
[12:41] <kent> magnon, the normal way to mount an iso is to use the command i wrote before.
[12:41] <Jatos>  am going to go now cu later everyone
[12:41] <magog> ah didnt see that
[12:41] <dooglus> bye Jatos
[12:41] <_Church_of_Foamy> anyone know why my 3meg internet is so slow on my box?
[12:42] <magog> that sounds good :)
[12:42] <magog> ty
[12:42] <calc> magog: however what kent said only will work if it is an iso format, if it isn't it won't
[12:42] <magog> yea
[12:42] <kent> fuck i dislike xchats tabcompletion. ;(
[12:42] <dooglus> i didn't see that either.  bchunk, eh?  nice.
[12:42] <_Church_of_Foamy> everything internet browser and file transfers are grulingly slow
[12:42] <nalioth> _Church_of_Foamy: your neighbors are stealing bandwidth?
[12:42] <calc> however many bin/cue are really just iso images
[12:42] <owen> kent, you and me both ;-)
[12:42] <_Church_of_Foamy> not likely have a wired lan
[12:42] <zenrox> magog, <zenrox> get bchunk and convert a .bin and .cue to and .iso
[12:42] <_Church_of_Foamy> and i don't see any cables hanging out the window
[12:42] <danko123456> lleberg_: ok, well, I found where to keep xmms on top...
[12:43] <danko123456> lleberg_: hoW about you?
[12:43] <nalioth> _Church_of_Foamy: that makes them very sneaky, eh?
[12:43] <kent> owen, it gets to the wrong person more than it gets to the right when I use tabcompletion.  :(
[12:43] <_Church_of_Foamy> lol
[12:43] <lleberg_> danko123456: no idea
[12:43] <calc> if the cue shows just one item with sector size 2048 it probably can be mounted as is
[12:43] <_Church_of_Foamy> it's weard my xp box just flys and this one is slower
[12:43] <nalioth> kent: <tab>twice or thrice
[12:43] <Phyrex> kent: use irssi instead :)
[12:43] <dooglus> I was on our roof recently.  there's a cable going out through the chimney, over the roof, and down into a window of a flat 3 along from us.  I know, I followed it.
[12:43] <lleberg_> i'm starting to realize what i got for the extra money i spent to get a tft monitor
[12:43] <_Church_of_Foamy> damn
[12:43] <lleberg_> the magic space between the keyboard and the monitor!
[12:43] <_Church_of_Foamy> lol
[12:44] <lleberg_> Soooooo useful!
[12:44] <danko123456> lleberg_: would you like to know how to keep xmms always on top of other windows?
[12:44] <lleberg_> danko123456: No, i do know
[12:44] <_Church_of_Foamy> are there settings i can tweak to make my boxes inet faster?
[12:44] <danko123456> ok, well, what was your question? hehe, I thought you were asking something.
[12:44] <lleberg_> danko123456: but i do it all the time by misstake, when trying so select all in the playlist :P
[12:44] <lleberg_> danko123456: i figured it out all by myself in a few seconds, nevermind :P
[12:45] <danko123456> youre a moron...
[12:45] <danko123456> jj;)
[12:45] <jcole> well... is there another way to access the gdm screen on an external box?
[12:45] <caffinated> i can't imagine going back to xchat.
[12:45] <goldfish> yeah irssi rules.
[12:45] <_Church_of_Foamy> what is irssi?
[12:45] <copilot> I'm trying to install nessus, but I get an error reading "Package nessus is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package nessus has no installation candidate"
[12:46] <dooglus> I did a teeny weeny bit of irssi source code hacking today.
[12:46] <goldfish> the best irc client EVER.
[12:46] <jcole> caffinated: gaim here. already use it for yahoo, etc. so i figured what the heck.
[12:46] <caffinated> it's like they took at the good features out of bitchx, made them not suck, and threw out the rest.
[12:46] <goldfish> dooglus: cool, what did you do?
[12:46] <dooglus> I didn't like how page up and page down scrolled half a screen at once
[12:46] <goldfish> hehe
[12:46] <goldfish> cool
[12:46] <_Church_of_Foamy> how do i get irssi?
[12:46] <caffinated> jcole: with bitlbee i have all that too, but it's console.  so i run one instance of irssi, and use it everywhere.
[12:46] <danko123456> google.
[12:46] <dooglus> goldfish: I want pgup and pgdown to scroll the whole screen apart from 2 lines, so there's a little bit of context left, but not too much
[12:46] <caffinated> sudo apt-get install irssi
[12:46] <goldfish> _Church_of_Foamy: apt-get install irssi-text
[12:46] <dooglus> so I made it work like that.
[12:46] <Firetech> _Church_of_Foamy: apt-get?
[12:46] <Phyrex> _Church_of_Foamy: apt-get irssi-text :)
[12:46] <goldfish> dooglus: sweet.
[12:47] <dooglus> goldfish: the patch is here if you want it: http://bugs.irssi.org/index.php?do=details&id=254
[12:47] <Phyrex> +install of course
[12:47] <caffinated> oh, is it irssi-text?  somehow i thought there was a metapackage for it
[12:47] <dooglus> irssi-text, yes
[12:47] <_Church_of_Foamy> kk
[12:47] <Phyrex> there was gui for irssi some time back, but it sucked
[12:47] <goldfish> dooglus: cool, thanks.
[12:47] <J35U5> is there a gui app that shows spu usage?
[12:47] <caffinated> it's even nicer if you use the OSD plugin
[12:48] <goldfish> J35U5: gkrellm
[12:48] <caffinated> then it's easy to see when people are talking to you, even if irssi doesn't have focus.
[12:48] <nalioth> dooglus: irssi patch for what?
[12:48] <J35U5> thanks goldfish
[12:48] <dooglus> goldfish: what impressed me is how easy it is to download source and compile it on ubuntu
[12:48] <dooglus> nalioth: look up about 20 lines, 00:46
[12:48] <goldfish> dooglus: indeed, think i'll look at irssi source, might be fun :)
[12:49] <Phyrex> looking at c-source is neven fun :P
[12:49] <nalioth> dooglus: patch to cut your neighbors or govt off or the half-page thing?
[12:49] <dooglus> goldfish, once you have the source sources in your your /etc/apt/sources.list, it's one command to get the source, one command to cd to it, one command to configure and one to build - so just 4 commands in total.
[12:49] <lleberg_> THe "copying-files" GUI wont close
[12:50] <dooglus> nalioth: I'm still working on the patch to overthrow the governmet.
[12:50] <dooglus> n
[12:50] <_Church_of_Foamy> about time someone thought of doing that
[12:50] <_Church_of_Foamy> maybe you should make it a virus instead of a patch
[12:51] <_Church_of_Foamy> maybe with a format and rebuild command?
[12:51] <dooglus> _Church_of_Foamy: I tried it yesterday, but I don't speak Czech.  They thought I was asking directions to the castle and put me on a tram.  Most embarrasing.
[12:51] <_Church_of_Foamy> ouch
[12:51] <_Church_of_Foamy> lol
[12:51] <Phyrex> apt-get install overthrow-goverment
[12:52] <_Church_of_Foamy> roflmao
[12:52] <mez> FOAMY!!!!! :DS
[12:52] <_Church_of_Foamy> ^_^
[12:52] <mez> ooh new foamy
[12:52] <mez> foamy fnamail
[12:52] <mez> I forgot that last night
[12:52] <_Church_of_Foamy> yup i get that to
[12:52] <mez> *bounces*
[12:52] <dooglus> Mind you, maybe I _was_ asking directions to the castle, and merely _thought_ I was saying "I hereby declare this country to be the Independant Republic of Dooglusnesses"
[12:52] <danko123456> cafuego: your bot is not working for some reason... it seems...
[12:52] <_Church_of_Foamy> just saw the new one today!
[12:52] <_Church_of_Foamy> finally some one gets what my nick means lol
[12:53] <_Church_of_Foamy> working on my second cult card
[12:53] <dooglus> Maybe I need to get a better phrasebook
[12:53] <danko123456> tis possible.
[12:53] <Lordveda> May I ask what is the root password for the ubuntu CD?
[12:54] <goldfish> If we answer that we will have to kill you.
[12:54] <TheDracle> Lord: Use sudo -sh.
[12:54] <goldfish> This live cd will self destruct in 10 seconds.
[12:54] <danko123456> goldfish: hehe, get serious, dude:)
[12:54] <goldfish> :)
[12:54] <goldfish> Sorry.
[12:54] <benplaut> goldfish
[12:54] <benplaut> it will!
[12:54] <TheDracle> Lord: If you want access to your root account normally, not through sudo, you can do sudo -sh passwd
[12:54] <TheDracle> Ahem, just sudo passwd, actually, sorry ;)
[12:55] <sysrq> TheDracle: why would they need to, sudo -s gives a root shell the same as su
[12:55] <Lordveda> TheDracle, thnx for the tip
[12:55] <caffinated> you don't need to assign a password to use the root account
[12:55] <odie5533> What is the difference between ALSA and OSS, and what are they?
[12:56] <snowseal> and esd
[12:56] <TheDracle> sysrq: Because some people like to customize their systems to allow access to the root account via different means, thus the existence of sudo, and a root shell to being with ;)
[12:56] <sysrq> snowseal: ESD is different from the other two
[12:56] <_Church_of_Foamy> Mez: if ya want i have a link to every foamy episode ever made
[12:56] <odie5533> what are they?
[12:56] <Phyrex> I have always found not having root-account bit annoying
[12:57] <caffinated> Phyrex: but you do have a root account in ubuntu
[12:57] <sysrq> the system does have a root account
[12:57] <_Church_of_Foamy> what is what?
[12:57] <odie5533> Phyrex: I thought the same thing, then I tried gentoo and deleted my windows partition >_<
[12:57] <TheDracle> I think it's potentially less secure to have the same password for a user and a root account.
[12:57] <Phyrex> odie5533: :D
[12:57] <goldfish> odie5533: lol
[12:57] <TheDracle> I would assume most people would use similar passwords, perhaps ones they'd use for their email accounts, and accounts on various sites.
[12:57] <sysrq> odie5533: googling can easy answer your password
[12:57] <odie5533> I had stuff on it too...
[12:57] <goldfish> odie5533: ouch
[12:57] <sysrq> s/password/question/
[12:57] <mez> _Church_of_Foamy, so do i - It's called newgrounds :D
[12:57] <caffinated> TheDracle: i think it's a good comprimise for a home user who doesn't intend to run a server.
[12:57] <mez> hehe pills-e fan mail :d
[12:58] <_Church_of_Foamy> oh they have it there 2?
[12:58] <goldfish> wb dooglus
[12:58] <_Church_of_Foamy> i only knew of www.freindsoffoamy.com
[12:58] <nalioth> i like the speedbump that "sudo" provides
[12:58] <Phyrex> odie5533: deleting windows is only good :)
[12:58] <TheDracle> caffinated: I agree :) I'm just speculating though. I've kept it using sudo for convenience, and because I use different passwords as often as possible.
[12:58] <mez> newgrounds has EVERYTHING
[12:58] <_Church_of_Foamy> nice
[12:59] <odie5533> Phyrex: not when you have doc's on it...
[12:59] <nalioth> having negated more than one linux distro thru rampant ignorance of a root terminal
[12:59] <caffinated> TheDracle: i think it basicly boils down to the fact that a home user who uses ubuntu, but isn't computer saavy gets confused by having too many passwords.
[12:59] <bkinman> us.archive.ubuntu.com is down.
[12:59] <caffinated> especially a root password which isn't used often.  there is a good chance they'll forget what it was.
[01:00] <icecrash> hi
[01:00] <_Church_of_Foamy> they should make a linux distro names foamy
[01:00] <danko123456> odie5533: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26567&highlight=alsa+oss+esd .
[01:00] <xterra77> Tilp is in the Ubuntu repos but I wont download....please anyone have an idea...I need an app for my calculator
[01:00] <goldfish> _Church_of_Foamy: you do it :)
[01:00] <TheDracle> caffinated: Right, but, Ubuntu is probably one of the better selections for making a secure server based system as well. I think they figured anybody smart enough to figure out how to access their root account, should.
[01:00] <_Church_of_Foamy> wonder what it would be like
[01:00] <icecrash> little question on baz
[01:00] <benplaut> bkinman: should be back up soon... downtime is usually minimal
[01:00] <_Church_of_Foamy> wish i knew how lol
[01:00] <dooglus> if your main user account has sudo permissions to do whatever it likes, you may as well set the root password to be the same as your user password, since if anyone guesses your user password, they've got root anyway.
[01:00] <danko123456> xterra77: rephrase, I think.
[01:00] <bkinman> why oh why is us.archive.ubuntu.com down?
[01:01] <icecrash> if i have an arch archive is it possible to directly use baz instead of arch or is there a difference in the handling now?
[01:01] <caffinated> TheDracle: i probably wouldn't use ubuntu as a server;  it's too desktop oriented.  It'd be interesting to see them come out with a server edition though.  I like what they have done with this so far.
[01:01] <xterra77> danko123456, sudo apt-get install tilp --- it finds this application in the ubuntu repo; however, it will not download
[01:01] <_Church_of_Foamy> i moded my kubuntu to look like a foamy theme
[01:01] <bkinman> xterra and why is that? whats your error?
[01:02] <xterra77> nothing just 0% and a timeout
[01:02] <bkinman> xterra77: yeah man, server is down.... guess we gots to wait
[01:02] <danko123456> xterra77: www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list > sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list  then save close, and sudo aptitude update , after which sudo aptitude install tilp
[01:02] <danko123456> use a diff mirror...
[01:02] <danko123456> I use ar. now, for some reason.
[01:02] <TheDracle> caffinated: What's wrong with being too desktop oriented? It has patches and updates available quickly, and often. That's what's most important for a server really.
[01:02] <xterra77> bkinman, ohhh thanks
[01:02] <xterra77> thanks everyone
[01:02] <dooglus> xterra77: it's because us.ubuntu.archive.com is down, I'd guess.
[01:03] <TheDracle> caffinated: And.. I mean, it's just debian.
[01:03] <caffinated> TheDracle: I don't see the need for all the X related stuff in a server.
[01:03] <xterra77> has anyone used this application before?
[01:03] <TheDracle> caffinated: Yeah, but, it really doesn't hurt normally.
[01:03] <dooglus> xterra77: all the others are ok - you can just take all the 'us.'s out of /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:03] <xterra77> dooglus, thanks
[01:03] <_Church_of_Foamy> stupid question anyone remember a magazene called OMNI?
[01:03] <caffinated> TheDracle: that really depends on what you're doing :)
[01:04] <nickrud> _Church_of_Foamy of course, playboy, wasn't it?
[01:04] <_Church_of_Foamy> no
[01:04] <_Church_of_Foamy> it was just called "OMNI"
[01:04] <nickrud> same publisher, etc
[01:04] <dooglus> _Church_of_Foamy: I remember it
[01:04] <_Church_of_Foamy> oh was it
[01:04] <_Church_of_Foamy> what ever happend to it?
[01:05] <nickrud> could be wrong, but thats as I recall it
[01:05] <TheDracle> caffinated: Agreed :) I'm only saying 'most' of the time, it really doesn't matter.
[01:05] <dooglus> _Church_of_Foamy: mine went out into the shed, got damp and rotted.
[01:05] <_Church_of_Foamy> oh no!
[01:05] <_Church_of_Foamy> thats so sad damn!
[01:05] <_Church_of_Foamy> do they still publish it?
[01:05] <nickrud> I loved those a. c. clarke articles
[01:05] <_Church_of_Foamy> or did it byte the dust
[01:05] <_Church_of_Foamy> i know they rocked
[01:06] <_Church_of_Foamy> the illistrations where awsome too
[01:06] <_Church_of_Foamy> some of the best scifi art you'll ever see
[01:06] <nickrud> yeah, I do remember
[01:06] <TheDracle> So, exactly how easy is it to upgrade Ubunutu from one major release to the next?
[01:06] <TheDracle> Will the regular update manager do this?
[01:06] <_Church_of_Foamy> do they still make the magazene though?
[01:07] <nickrud> TheDracle if it works as it's supposed, yes
[01:07] <_Church_of_Foamy> i've been trying to find it for years
[01:07] <nickrud> _Church_of_Foamy no, It's been gone for over a decade, I think
[01:07] <_Church_of_Foamy> :(
[01:07] <_Church_of_Foamy> they need to bring it back lol
[01:08] <nalioth> illustrations in OMNI? i prefer the illustrations in its sister publication
[01:08] <nickrud> _Church_of_Foamy you won't subscribe, you'll try to read over the net :)
[01:08] <xterra77> taking the US. out of repo worked. thanks...Has anyone ever used Tilp before?
[01:09] <dooglus> I'm confused between the 'cron' versions - anacron and vixie cron.  which am I using?
[01:09] <dooglus> how can I tell?
[01:09] <phillambrechts> Is it easy to share a printer in Ubuntu so that other Ubuntu machines can print to that printer?
[01:09] <phillambrechts> Is there anything special that I need to do?
[01:10] <nickrud> dooglus cat /etc/crontab tells you that ubuntu's cron (vixie?) calls anacron
[01:11] <nickrud> phillambrechts there's a wiki that talks about using IPP for printer sharing, it's rather simple
[01:11] <dooglus> nickrud: I just had a peek in /etc/rc3.d:
[01:11] <dooglus> $ ls /etc/rc3.d/*cron*
[01:11] <dooglus> /etc/rc3.d/K11anacron  /etc/rc3.d/S89anacron  /etc/rc3.d/S89cron
[01:12] <dooglus> what does that mean?  at runlevel 3, anacron is both started and killed?  huh?
[01:12] <othernoob> anyone got openoffice ?
[01:12] <nickrud> dooglus good question, but rc2.d is the default runlevel. But, it's probably the same
[01:12] <dooglus> nickrud: it's the same, yes.
[01:13] <othernoob> and could tell me, step by step where i can change the interface language of openoffice2 ?
[01:13] <dooglus> nickrud: and /etc/crontab isn't running anacron - it's testing whether anacron is executable or not, but doesn't run it
[01:14] <dooglus> nickrud: I think what those lines mean is "if anacron isn't executable then run "run-parts", else do nothing (probably because anacron will somehow magically do the job instead)
[01:14] <nickrud> dooglus I know I followed this trail to the end once, and anacron covered reboots
[01:14] <dooglus> nickrud: /etc/anacrontab in fact...
[01:14] <nickrud> dooglus yeah, sounds familiar
[01:15] <_Church_of_Foamy> they sell OMNI magazenes on ebay
[01:15] <_Church_of_Foamy> might by a few lots
[01:15] <dooglus> nickrud: I booted my machine this afternoon after leaving it off all night.  I was surprised to see it started thrashing the disk, doing an "updatedb" - a task that is supposed to run at 6am.  anacron had noticed that it had missed its 6am appointment because the pc was off, and was making up for lost time!
[01:15] <nickrud> dooglus that's what anacron does, by definition :)
[01:16] <dooglus> nickrud: so, my question is...  can I, as a user, use anacron?  I want *my* jobs to be run after the event if the pc was down when they should have been run
[01:16] <_Church_of_Foamy> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=280&item=6963000893&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
[01:16] <_Church_of_Foamy> there in mint condition too ^_^
[01:16] <nickrud> dooglus add them to the cron.daily, etc, and they are covered
[01:17] <dooglus> dooglus: users can't edit cron.dailyt
[01:17] <nalioth> dooglus: nickrud my machine has been on for several days straight and my updatedb ran at 1pm this afternoon. wtf?
[01:17] <dooglus> nalioth: don't worry - that was me  :)
[01:17] <nickrud> nalioth you tell me, you know more, mine runs a 7:30 or so
[01:18] <dooglus> nalioth: did you run a 'ps -H' to see what process had invoked the updatedb?
[01:18] <phillambrechts> Is sharing printers going to be made easier in the Breezy release?
[01:18] <TheDracle> It will be made breezy...er.
[01:19] <TheDracle> Instead of whoreyer...
[01:19] <benplaut> phillambrechts: most of people's gripes should eb fixed, so... probably
[01:19] <nalioth> dooglus: nope, im ignorant
[01:19] <nalioth> nickrud: thought the default for all those systemic thangs was wee in the dark hours
[01:20] <dooglus> nalioth: it is
[01:20] <phillambrechts> I got it to work, but it required changing a config file, shouldn't have to do that...
[01:20] <nickrud> nalioth likewise, but that's when it happens here, but it's not an issue I need to follow
[01:20] <nickrud> I start work at 8am
[01:20] <phillambrechts> But my other computers detected it once that dillemma was overwith.
[01:20] <dooglus> nalioth: type "grep daily /etc/anacrontab" - and switch around the first 2 numbers to get a time
[01:21] <GammaRay> hmm us.archive.ubuntu.com is empty
[01:21] <dooglus> nope, I'm lying
[01:21] <DaSkreech> is there a command I can run to find out if I have warty or hoary or breezy?
[01:21] <GammaRay> suppose that's better than being down (as it was a moment ago)
[01:22] <imaekphp> When I try to play a game, it tells me  "You are using software Mesa (no hardware acceleration)!"  This happened to me before my last reinstall, and I somehow fixed it by recompiling the kernel to have hardware acelleration.  What can I do to recompile it with acelleration?
[01:22] <DekaPink> DaSkreech: How can you not know that already?
[01:22] <DaSkreech> Not me someone I'm talking to
[01:23] <DaSkreech> They want to run a dist-upgrade and they don't know if they are in Warty or Hoary.
[01:23] <dooglus> nalioth: I can't see anything in the anacron documentation about what time of day it does its work, just that you can tell it how often to run stuff.
[01:23] <hajiki> anyone else having trouble acessing one or two of the apt repositorys?
[01:23] <Th4tBa5t4rd> omgoodness. i still can't install the nvidia drivers. i have NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-7664-pkg2.run saved to bin. I kill X(i think) and then sudo /bin/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-7664-pkg2.run  but i error out. is that the correct command?
[01:23] <imaek> How can I tell what videocard I am using?
[01:23] <DaSkreech> ancedotal evidence leads me to think they are running hoary so a Distupgrade would put them at breezy which is bad
[01:23] <dooglus> updatedb is run once a day, with a "delay" of 5 minutes (whatever that means).  nothing about the time of day though.
[01:24] <iamnow> imaek: dmesg?
[01:24] <hajiki> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/restricted Packages
[01:24] <hajiki>   403 Forbidden
[01:24] <shinu> anyone has any idea why files in the folder that i put on http server sometimes changes the x attribute back? even when i do chmod a-x *...
[01:24] <DaSkreech> so would something from uname etc give me the Build name?
[01:25] <TheDracle> Hey hey.. One channel at a time here Mr. Skreech...
[01:25] <Th4tBa5t4rd> DaSkreech, what do you see when you click System>About Ubuntu?
[01:25] <gverig> I have installed enlightenment and launched it. It even worked. How do I generate application menu, or do I have to create it manually?
[01:25] <DaSkreech> Ah
[01:25] <nickrud> as best I read it, it's been a while, as long as there's no reboot, crontab runs find.* at 6:25
[01:25] <DaSkreech> Th4tBa5t4rd: Ah
[01:25] <nalioth> DaSkreech: they would only get breezy if they've augmented their sources.list
[01:26] <_Church_of_Foamy> lol
[01:26] <dooglus> hajiki: us.archive is down.  remove the "us." bits from /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:26] <iamnow> imaek: no its not dmesg
[01:26] <nickrud> eh, quick look, slocate is what I meant :)
[01:26] <DaSkreech> TheDracle: Sorry didn't know there was a bit limit
[01:26] <imaek> Okay, iamnow.
[01:27] <fabio> hi all
[01:27] <DaSkreech> Good point I'd forgotten it can't see breezy sources
[01:27] <TheDracle> DaSkreech, Nah.. Just a limit of how much coffee one can drink to multitask so quickly.
[01:27] <fabio> guys I get probs with the extra repositories!!
[01:27] <fabio> how come?
[01:27] <imaek> How can I tell what video card I'm using?
[01:27] <hajiki> dooglus, thanks
[01:27] <dooglus> fabio: us.archive.ubuntu.com is down.  remove the "us." bits from /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:28] <DaSkreech> TheDracle: I'm on a few others as well
[01:28] <iamnow> imaek: what happens if you do lsmod?
[01:28] <fabio> dooglus, oh thanks a lot
[01:28] <DaSkreech> TheDracle: Plus telnet://212.23.10.13:3214 :-)
[01:28] <imaek> Nothing that tells me my video card, iamnow .
[01:28] <transgress> telnet?
[01:28] <iamnow> hmmm
[01:28] <Th4tBa5t4rd> imaek. what does it say in xorg.conf?
[01:28] <TheDracle> Maybe a bbs of some sort?
[01:28] <iamnow> imaek: do you have X?
[01:28] <DaSkreech> transgress: Yeah :)
[01:29] <DaSkreech> Old school
[01:29] <transgress> lspci should tell you your video card
[01:29] <imaek> I... think so, iamnow .
[01:29] <hikaru79> Woah, there's something very wrong with my apt-get.
[01:29] <hikaru79> It was working fine yesterday
[01:29] <hikaru79> Today, I do an update, and:
[01:29] <hikaru79> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-updates/restricted/source/Sources.gz  403 Forbidden
[01:29] <hikaru79> Tons of lines similar to that
[01:29] <hikaru79> What happened? x_x
[01:29] <iamnow> imaek: what does it say in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[01:29] <fabio> dooglus, thanks a lot mate it works great :)
[01:30] <imaek> Aha
[01:30] <imaek> thank you iamnow /.
[01:30] <iamnow> (**) |   |-->Device
[01:30] <iamnow> what vid card is it?
[01:30] <TheDracle> DaSkreech, It's ignoring me :p Lol.
[01:31] <TheDracle> DaSkreech, Stupid proxy server.
[01:31] <DaSkreech> is the IPROUTING chain a symlink to the FORWARD chain?
[01:31] <dooglus> fabio: don't forget to put the 'us.' bits back in a bit - or you'll be getting slow updates in future
[01:31] <DaSkreech> TheDracle: Who's jumping chans now? :)
[01:31] <dooglus> hikaru: us.archive.ubuntu.com is down.  remove the "us." bits from /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:32] <TheDracle> DaSkreech, You keep messaging me on one, then the other.. I can't help it :p
[01:32] <DekaPink> Is there something wrong with the repositories? I keep getting 403 errors. :3
[01:32] <dooglus> DekaPink: us.archive.ubuntu.com is down.  remove the "us." bits from /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:32] <nalioth> hikaru79: it closed
[01:32] <dooglus> seems there are quite a lot of people using the repositories...  :)
[01:33] <TheDracle> DaSkreech, Ha! #gentoo is safe from your tyranny.
[01:33] <imaek> how can I restart without starting the xserver?
[01:33] <TheDracle> Cute.
[01:33] <TheDracle> :p
[01:33] <hikaru79> nalioth, what closed? :|
[01:33] <TheDracle> DaSkreech, What's your opinion of emerge as opposed to apt-get eh?
[01:33] <danko123456> imaek: hit ctrl+c while booting up jsut before it starts X.
[01:33] <DekaPink> dooglus: Thank you. :D
[01:34] <hikaru79> It should just be 'archive.ubuntu.com' instead of 'us.archive.ubuntu.com'?
[01:34] <danko123456> DekaPink: try to change back in a while, tho.
[01:34] <HeMan> Why should we use breezy?
[01:34] <nalioth> hikaru79: us.whatever.site.your.apt-get.was.lookin.gor
[01:34] <transgress> ah glad i dist-upgraded last night... now i don't feel so bad about not being able to do it right now...
[01:34] <danko123456> HeMan: /topic
[01:34] <dooglus> hikaru79: us.archive is usually ok, but that site isn't working right now.
[01:34] <iceman> Wild, car reck in front of my house ... lol
[01:34] <HeMan> sorry, i missed a not...
[01:34] <DaSkreech> emerge is great for people who don't use their system unless you think watching compilation fly by is using your system
[01:34] <TheDracle> Lol.
[01:34] <TheDracle> You can emerge binaries now too though.
[01:34] <dooglus> removing the "us." will get you to a different, working, site, but it'll be slower, so put the us. back in a while
[01:35] <TheDracle> I've put together some great gentoo systems.
[01:35] <transgress> i liked my gentoo system
[01:35] <DekaPink> danko123456: Okey dokey. :)
[01:35] <transgress> but i borked it when i went to ~x86
[01:35] <TheDracle> Lol.
[01:35] <HeMan> Why should we _not_ use breezy, i meant?
[01:35] <dooglus> TheDracle: I've put together 2 gentoo systems.  neither of them would boot :)
[01:35] <transgress> HeMan: because it's broken all to hell.
[01:35] <TheDracle> Because it's not whorey.
[01:35] <transgress> dooglus: probably a pebkac
[01:35] <HeMan> transgress: ok
[01:35] <dooglus> TheDracle: then I installed ubuntu instead
[01:35] <TheDracle> dooglus: Ha.. That's your own fault though ;)
[01:35] <iceman> HeMan still in developement
[01:35] <nalioth> HeMan: breezy make work fine today, but can be broken easily with a simple upgrade
[01:36] <TheDracle> dooglus: Ubuntu is great.. Easy to install. Very configurable installation too.
[01:36] <dooglus> TheDracle: not entirely.  I followed the installation handbook to the letter.
[01:36] <nalioth> HeMan: wait for a RC
[01:36] <HeMan> oh well, i
[01:36] <transgress> i love the gentoo install.  i think more linux systems should have an install like gentoo... it makes you learn.
[01:36] <DaSkreech> Yeah I agree
[01:36] <HeMan> damn keyboard!
[01:36] <dooglus> transgress: a pebkac?  both systems booted into a kernel panic.  don't know what a pebkac is
[01:36] <magog> hmmm when i try to mount this iso it says, wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0,
[01:36] <magog>        missing codepage or other error
[01:36] <magog>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[01:36] <magog>        dmesg | tail  or so not sure what that means
[01:36] <transgress> dooglus: problem exist between keyboard and chair
[01:36] <DaSkreech> It makes no sense and this is after reading the man
[01:37] <TheDracle> dooglus: Apparently your literal take of the manual was at fault. When they said "remove the CD" and not "press the button located on your CD drive, then remove the CD," you ripped the door off, and pulled the mangled CD from its holster.
[01:37] <HeMan> im a dselect-junkie, so i run breezy, but i'll guess i'll just can't ask any questions... :)
[01:37] <dooglus> transgress: nice acronym!
[01:37] <transgress> dooglus: i wish it were mine... i'd feel awesome.  i just use it a lot since i do tech support stuff at work.
[01:37] <transgress> and we have a lot of pebkacs
[01:37] <dooglus> TheDracle: no, really - I read it intelligently, and it didn't work.  I even reported the problems I had to the bug tracking system, but all I got back was anger, so I left them to it and came here.
[01:38] <nalioth> HeMan: ask away
[01:38] <TheDracle> dooglus: .. I was just kidding ;) Now you're taking me literally.
[01:38] <dooglus> (and then the ubuntu install CD tried installing grub as a bootloader, leaving the PC unbootable, but that's a different story...)
[01:38] <son_of_jd> HI FUCK ME
[01:38] <danko123456> hehe,..
[01:38] <HeMan> my altgr has stopped workin, as well as right arrow
[01:38] <dooglus> I've never managed to get grub to work - I had to go back to lilo
[01:38] <michael376071> anyone else having trouble with the us repository?
[01:38] <danko123456> I think I am gonna go out for a walk, just to let you know.
[01:38] <dooglus> michael376071: everyone.
[01:39] <danko123456> michael376071: all of us:)
[01:39] <dooglus> danko123456: watch out for rabid dogs
[01:39] <nalioth> danko123456: the ceiling will be blue and white or black and sparkly, dependnig on what time it is
[01:40] <nalioth> danko123456: there might be a really bright lightbulb in the blue ceiling
[01:40] <HeMan> is that any known problem?
[01:40] <danko123456> nalioth: ......:).....
[01:40] <TheDracle> Grub stinks anyways.
[01:40] <perd> is us.archive.ubuntu.com broken?
[01:40] <dooglus> TheDracle: I think the problem with the gentoo install was that I tried to install while running Mandriva - as the install handbook suggested would be fine.
[01:41] <TheDracle> Yeah, that says nothing about it's smell though, now does it?
[01:41] <GammaRay> perd: seems so
[01:41] <perd> damn
[01:41] <dooglus> TheDracle: it seems to me that the handbook really only applies if you're installing while booting from the install CD
[01:41] <perd> i cant get perl GD in here now
[01:41] <transgress> perd: it's having problems atm... give it a bit and don't pester the shit out of it.
[01:41] <perd> heh... no gcc :/
[01:41] <TheDracle> dooglus: Yeah, it does.
[01:41] <TheDracle> dooglus: You can do pretty much anything you want though from the live install CD.
[01:41] <perd> transgress oh i had a while loop with no wait doing wgets
[01:41] <dooglus> TheDracle: except run X, right?
[01:41] <perd> i guess i'll stop now
[01:41] <transgress> perd: if you take the us. out of your sources it will probably work
[01:42] <DaSkreech> anyone have a clue how iptables works?
[01:42] <perd> cool thanks
[01:42] <TheDracle> dooglus: I'm sure you could run X if you wanted to.. But, I really don't see any reason to.
[01:42] <dbasetrinity> hi i was wondering if someone could help me install my mobo driver
[01:42] <transgress> DaSkreech: i'd suggest checking out firestarter
[01:42] <imaek> Is there something wrong with the us apt server thing?
[01:42] <TheDracle> There's nothing you can do from X during a system installation, that you can't do easier via the console.
[01:42] <dooglus> TheDracle: the handbook is in HTML.  I wanted to run X so I could run a browser I knew how to work...
[01:42] <perd> yup taht did it... good deal
[01:42] <DaSkreech> transgress: Book?
[01:42] <transgress> imaek: the archive one yes... it's having problems atm... as computers tend to do.  they aren't as perfect as we humans.
[01:42] <dooglus> the handbook contains loads of command lines to copy and paste - and without X, copying and pasting is less than intuitive
[01:42] <TheDracle> dooglus: lynx ;)
[01:42] <transgress> DaSkreech: no... it's a program for easy setting up of iptables
[01:43] <imaek> transgress: Argh.  I am trying to get the nvidia-kernel-source package, and, of course, it crashes.
[01:43] <DaSkreech> transgress: Ah well It's one rule that I made
[01:43] <DaSkreech> I just can't find it again
[01:43] <TheDracle> dooglus: I think you're being too critical of the menial things. The insallation process isn't what's at fault with Gentoo.
[01:43] <dooglus> TheDracle: I guess I could run lynx in a screen and use screen's copy/paste functionality, but I'm not even sure the liveCD came with screen.  anyway - that was then, they had their chance, etc, and this is #ubuntu!  :)
[01:43] <TheDracle> dooglus: And I'm sure it would be more than easy to add some user-friendly installation manager to gentoo.
[01:43] <DaSkreech> It works so I know it's there I just can't delete it et al etc
[01:44] <dooglus> TheDracle: I didn't get to see anything other than the install process - it crashed as soon as I finished the install.
[01:44] <TheDracle> dooglus: I really think your experience was somehow unique to your system.
[01:44] <imaek> transgress: Is there any way I can get that package while the server is having problems?
[01:44] <transgress> imaek: take the us. part out of your sources.list
[01:44] <Unintentional> Hey, all.  Can anyone help me increasing the screen resolution to one not listed by Ubuntu?
[01:44] <imaek> Okay transgress.
[01:45] <transgress> imaek: it'll be slow... add it later when the server is back... also... read what people in the channel say and you would've seen someone say that quite a bit ago
[01:45] <dooglus> transgress: I've said it about 4 times in the last half hour :)
[01:45] <dooglus> maybe someone should edit the topic?
[01:45] <TheDracle> dooglus: Just for the record, I've not once had a difficult gentoo install. But, I admit the installations of Ubuntu were much easier, and less time consuming.
[01:45] <dooglus> DaSkreech: nobody knows iptables - it looks like a complete nightmare to me
[01:45] <nalioth> TheDracle: dooglus the gentoo devs are atm fixin to release a beta installer
[01:46] <transgress> dooglus: *pets* sucks huh?  feels like what i had to go through at work when yahoo got blacklisted
[01:46] <dooglus> TheDracle: you have to type an awful lot of stuff to install gentoo, don't you?
[01:46] <transgress> Andrew_: like nvidia?
[01:46] <TheDracle> dooglus: True :) But, there are certain customizations you can make. The idea is to not step on your toes.
[01:46] <DaSkreech> dooglus: i AGREE AND the documentation pretty much says yeah this is bad you should have seen it before
[01:46] <transgress> dooglus: eh... you have to do an awful lot of stuff to install it... although they are working on a gentoo installer... which saddens me.
[01:46] <TheDracle> dooglus: And the best way to assure that is to let you have the maximum amount of control.
[01:47] <TheDracle> transgress: Why does that sadden you?
[01:47] <dooglus> fair enough.  i wouldn't mind if (a) it worked for me and (b) when I reported problems with the handbook I didn't get shouted at
[01:47] <transgress> TheDracle: because i love the gentoo install... and as i said earlier... i think more distros should do it, because it requires you learn about the inners of the system.
[01:47] <TheDracle> dooglus: Well ;) That's another problem. Technology wizards tend to be cocky and socially inept.
[01:48] <lsuactiafner> anyone know the command to make the system write data less often to the disk?
[01:48] <dooglus> lsuactiafner: type slower
[01:48] <transgress> socially inept is not even the word... it's like 8 levels past that heh
[01:48] <lsuactiafner> know its not a good idea but i get annoyed with the disk syncing so often
[01:48] <giggsey> Ive got a .deb how do I install it?
[01:48] <TheDracle> transgress: I love it too. Just because they make an installer doesn't mean they're going to get rid of the command line installation.
[01:48] <GammaRay> I installed msttcorefonts and ran dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig and set it to use the bytecode interperter but my fonts are still jagged.
[01:48] <goldfish> dpkg -i blah.deb
[01:48] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: shutdown?
[01:48] <goldfish> giggsey: ^^
[01:48] <giggsey> thanks Goldfish
[01:48] <TheDracle> transgress: I think the philosophy of gentoo demands they keep the command line installation.
[01:49] <lsuactiafner> am using kernel 2.6.11 there doesnt seem to be a bdflush running
[01:49] <nalioth> TheDracle: transgress oh no, that would alienate the gentoo world. the installer is for us dumb-asses (like myself, who can't even seem to get a gentoo install started)
[01:49] <lsuactiafner> whats pdflush?
[01:49] <goldfish> giggsey: no problem
[01:49] <giggsey> how do I install a .rpm ?
[01:50] <goldfish> giggsey: alien blah.rpm
[01:50] <DaSkreech> Night all
[01:50] <nalioth> giggsey: alien -i blah.rpm
[01:50] <goldfish> giggsey: gives u blah,deb
[01:50] <nalioth> or whatever
[01:50] <goldfish> yus
[01:50] <lsuactiafner> dooglus : did the server stop my input becuase i typed too fast or are you joking?
[01:50] <jeld> guys, apt-get update gives me a bunch of 403 forbidden errors. Did the repository location change?
[01:50] <giggsey> kk, ive done that, and it says its done, but when i try to run the program, it won't work
[01:50] <nalioth> jeld: us.ubunutu.blah is down
[01:50] <transgress> lsuactiafner: he was joking.
[01:50] <lsuactiafner> heh ok
[01:50] <lsuactiafner> never know (;
[01:50] <imaek> Back.... When trying to install the Nvidia accelerated graphics driver, it told me to get the kernel source, and I got the package `nvidia-kernel-source', but now it still says it can't find the kernel tree, and it tells me I can specify a location.  What location should I specify?
[01:51] <jeld> nalioth, crap! :(
[01:51] <jeld> nalioth, thanx
[01:51] <transgress> we really need to add the us.archive is down to the title ... any ops in?
[01:51] <nalioth> transgress: or a really nasty /onjoin msg, eh?
[01:51] <lsuactiafner> imaek : my advice, download the drivers from nvidia and the kernel source from kernel.org  and install em manually
[01:51] <DaSkreech> transgress: Later
[01:52] <imaek> ....argh, okay lsuactiafner.
[01:52] <transgress> haha i don't know about all that... but a thing in topic might (probably not) lower the is us.archive fux0red man!?
[01:52] <lsuactiafner> seriously its much easier, the apt-get effect just gave me problems
[01:52] <lsuactiafner> but i'm a apt-get noob so yah..
[01:52] <lsuactiafner> dont trust me.
[01:52] <dooglus> lsuactiafner: I was trying to be funny.  Sorry, it won't happen again.
[01:52] <transgress> haha
[01:52] <lsuactiafner> dooglus : better not! (;
[01:53] <rixth> Am I correct that there is no tool to draw a straight line in the Gimp? I can't find it.
[01:53] <lsuactiafner> rixth : there should be one.. but here is an idea, make a selection, then rotate the selection as you wish
[01:54] <lsuactiafner> then fill the selection with your favourite colour
[01:54] <dooglus> rixth: you can.  use the pencil tool and press control (i think) to draw straight lines?
[01:54] <robtotheb> hold down shift with the pencil tool
[01:54] <lsuactiafner> nooo dont tell him how to do that!
[01:54] <lsuactiafner> hehehe
[01:54] <P229> what's the up-to-date kernel for 5.04? the stock kernel doesn't seem to be listed in the release notes...
[01:54] <lsuactiafner> thats too easy
[01:54] <lsuactiafner> my favourite kernel is 2.4.24
[01:54] <dooglus> yes, shift, not control.
[01:54] <lsuactiafner> got a nice ring to it
[01:55] <robtotheb> anyone getting this error on apt-get?    Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu...urce/Sources.gz 403 Forbidden
[01:55] <lsuactiafner> 2424
[01:55] <imaek> lsuactiafner: what was that site you gave me?
[01:55] <lsuactiafner> robtotheb : nope
[01:55] <nalioth> robtotheb: yes, the us.ubuntu.blah is down
[01:55] <dooglus> rixth: use the pencil tool to put a dot where you want it to start, then hold shift while putting another dot where you want it to end
[01:55] <transgress> robtotheb: nope... no problems with it.  everything is perfectly okay.  debian gods just hate you
[01:55] <P229> lsuactiafner: hmmm...
[01:55] <nalioth> transgress: know how to make an /onjoin?
[01:55] <lsuactiafner> imaek : kernel.org but if you dont know how to extract a kernel and do a menu config i suggest to trust in apt-get
[01:55] <transgress> nalioth: haha
[01:55] <perd> robtotheb change us.archive.ubuntu.co to archive.ubuntu.co in your sources.list
[01:55] <imaek> .co
[01:55] <P229> anyone with an updated 5.04 system mind doing a "uname -r" for me?
[01:55] <nalioth> transgress: might save a lot of b/w (until an op gets here to chg the topic)
[01:56] <dooglus> nalioth: it's probably against the channel rules to have an /onjoin message in your client
[01:56] <perd> cut/paste messed up
[01:56] <robtotheb> ok thanks - will try
[01:56] <nalioth> well who can we put in charge of anwering "my apt-get doestn work"?
[01:56] <carthik> 2.6.10-5-686 P229
[01:56] <carthik> ymmv
[01:57] <lsuactiafner> nalioth : me! but i'm going to bed now.. so ppl can ask me all they want i dont mind
[01:57] <P229> carthik: thank you, I appreciate it
[01:57] <lsuactiafner> Andrew_ : change your nick
[01:57] <lsuactiafner> bleh
[01:57] <lsuactiafner> heh
[01:57] <lsuactiafner> teh no ops
[01:58] <whisky> ha
[01:58] <benplaut> wait, there he is ;)
[01:59] <lsuactiafner> and he is still here...
[01:59] <lsuactiafner> shit lag
[01:59] <shiv> I did everything here, but the last part won't work: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24923&highlight=dell+700m+resolution
[01:59] <lsuactiafner> ok so who compiled his irc client with auto reconnect and join
[01:59] <shiv> this part sudo cp /etc/rc2.d S20startupscript /etc/rc2.d S09startupscript
[02:00] <lsuactiafner> stupid default
[02:00] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: came that way, reckon
[02:00] <benplaut> darn... and no mods to do anything about it
[02:00] <benplaut> this will go on for a while...
[02:00] <lsuactiafner> heh
[02:00] <nalioth> just like a tennis match
[02:00] <lsuactiafner> hahaha
[02:00] <lsuactiafner> ok have fun spotting the idjit
[02:00] <lsuactiafner> night ppl
[02:01] <benplaut> nalioth: and Andrew_ is winning!
[02:01] <nobile> night!
[02:01] <Andrew_> lsuactiafner, why?
[02:01] <benplaut> g'night
[02:01] <P229> everybody msg Andrew_ on the count of three...
[02:01] <lsuactiafner> hhaahaha
[02:01] <lsuactiafner> Andrew_ : change nicks!!
[02:01] <lsuactiafner>  CTCP VERSION reply from Andrew_: xchat 2.4.3 Windows 5.1 [i686/1.33GHz] 
[02:01] <lsuactiafner> windows users suck
[02:02] <GammaRay> lsuactiafner: what does that mean exactly?
[02:02] <shiv> anybody willing to help me with my resolution?
[02:02] <lsuactiafner> it means the silly windows user doesnt even realise it is being killed
[02:02] <benplaut> that explains...
[02:03] <boodle> us.ubuntu.archive.org   .... prolly just missed it but looks empty
[02:03] <lsuactiafner> shiv : /etc/X11/xorg.conf , up the HorizSync and Vert and control alt +- in X and modes in /etc/X11/xorg.conf should be interesting for you
[02:03] <boodle> err s/ubnutu.archive/archive.ubnutu/
[02:03] <transgress> boodle: it's having personal problems right now.  please leave it alone for a little while.
[02:03] <dooglus> nalioth: I'll try knocking something up in perl for irssi to answer the questions automatically
[02:03] <boodle> transgress, I hope it feels better soon :-)
[02:03] <parabolize> lol
[02:04] <nalioth> dooglus: you are THE man!
[02:04] <dooglus> nalioth: I didn't do anything yet!
[02:04] <nalioth> dooglus: the intent is admirable (i have not the skilz)
[02:04] <synd> ack
[02:05] <raDeon> lsuactiafner, watch your tongue you fucking idiot
[02:06] <benplaut> raDeon: watch the language...
[02:06] <synd> you guys are nuts
[02:06] <dooglus> nalioth: it's easy to do...  but should I?
[02:06] <raDeon> benplaut, i'm not fellin' the disrespect coming from lsuactiafner
[02:06] <nalioth> dooglus: many years ago, i spent a year recovering from major surgery
[02:07] <nalioth> dooglus: in that time, i become a master scriptor of <ugh> mirc
[02:07] <synd> nalioth: oh really
[02:07] <nalioth> dooglus: today i'm just a dumb-ass taxi driver
[02:07] <dooglus> nalioth: I've scripted mirc before - not recently, but it used to be the most disgusting scripting language in the whole wide world!
[02:08] <synd> mirc is yucky
[02:08] <nalioth> yes
[02:08] <dooglus> mirc is ok to use, but the scripting is really just awful
[02:08] <benplaut> raDeon: what did he do?
[02:08] <nalioth> dooglus: synd, but anyway windoze is more than 4 years behind me (boy am i glad)
[02:08] <raDeon> lsuactiafner  CTCP VERSION reply from Andrew_: xchat 2.4.3 Windows 5.1 [i686/1.33GHz] 
[02:08] <raDeon> lsuactiafner windows users suck
[02:09] <raDeon> lsuactiafner it means the silly windows user doesnt even realise it is being killed
[02:09] <shiv> plz help me with the resolution problem
[02:09] <nalioth> raDeon: windoze does suck, the enlightened windows (l)users become linux users
[02:10] <shiv> I did everything here, but the last part won't work: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24923&highlight=dell+700m+resolution
[02:10] <caffinated> raDeon: that's a very short-sighted and narrow opinion.
[02:10] <synd> nalioth: im about 5 months sober from windows
[02:10] <CPayan> heh
[02:10] <CPayan> sober?
[02:10] <synd> yup
[02:10] <nalioth> CPayan: its a joke based on alcohoics anonymous
[02:11] <raDeon> CPayan, brains?
[02:11] <transgress> bleh AA... what a damned cult.
[02:11] <synd> one must be drunk to use windows, it just doesnt makes sense to use it while not influenced
[02:11] <Eudoxus> Hello. I have a .deb file I need to install. How do I do it?
[02:11] <transgress> Eudoxus: look at it really hard
[02:11] <nalioth> Eudoxus: sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[02:11] <synd> Eudoxus: check the wiki
[02:12] <transgress> nalioth: give a man a fish... and give him food poisoning or however the quote goes... (send them a link to read)
[02:12] <transgress> nalioth: that's easy... irssi.
[02:12] <zip> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-updates/restricted/source/Sources.gz  403 Forbidden
[02:12] <zip> down?
[02:12] <nalioth> raDeon: please send me love notes in the main channel
[02:12] <transgress> zip: debian gods hate you
[02:12] <zip> well we know that
[02:12] <transgress> zip: yeah it's down.
[02:12] <nalioth> transgress: i'm usually that way, but today i'm feelin ill
[02:12] <zip> thx...
[02:12] <raDeon> nalioth, then you show me the courtesy
[02:12] <raDeon> same*
[02:13] <Eudoxus> Is there such a thing as a virus on Linux?
[02:13] <hussam> Hi, I installed the Vmware 5 evaluation today from .gz  the installer was a perl script. But now I need to uninstall it because I no longer need it. How do I do that?
[02:13] <raDeon> Eudoxus, yes
[02:13] <synd> Eudoxus: yeah
[02:13] <transgress> Eudoxus: not really
[02:13] <caffinated> Eudoxus: in linux we call them rootkits
[02:13] <benplaut> OK, so we have a yes, a yeah, and a not really...
[02:13] <transgress> proof of concept doesn't count and rootkits aren't exactly virii...
[02:13] <synd> Eudoxus: if you have a dual partioned HDD with linux on one and windows on the other
[02:13] <caffinated> and yes, there are some very sophisticated rootkits out there.
[02:13] <nerve> is there a specific package you have to get to be able to use gcc in an out of the box installation?
[02:13] <synd> wtf is a rootkit
[02:14] <transgress> one of the servers at my work got rootkit'd day before yesterday... that sucked
[02:14] <Eudoxus> I see.
[02:14] <transgress> synd: it's a kit to give you root.
[02:14] <nalioth> synd: its where someone gets into your box at a root level
[02:14] <synd> well gimme one
[02:14] <nalioth> synd: its quite common on winXP machines
[02:14] <caffinated> synd: sudo -s
[02:14] <synd> nalioth: what isnt?
[02:14] <Eudoxus> nalioth, it is not needed on WinXP machines because WinXP users are already Administrator logged anyways :D
[02:14] <nalioth> nerve: the pkg is called "build-essential"
[02:15] <nalioth> Eudoxus: yes, but its the thought that counts
[02:15] <transgress> rootkits are a bad way to go... i'd steal the shadow file instead and try to crack it long before putting a rootkit on... as to avoid major breakage
[02:15] <caffinated> Eudoxus: you don't have to run it that way though.
[02:15] <caffinated> people just do, because it's the default.
[02:15] <Eudoxus> I see.
[02:15] <Eudoxus> Yep.
[02:15] <nerve> nalioth, thanks
[02:15] <nerve> :)
[02:16] <caffinated> in fact, it's not that hard to lock down a windows box.  the problem is almost always with the clueless people using it.
[02:16] <nemik> would it be possible to make my ubuntu computer have many serial ports?
[02:16] <dooglus> nalioth: how's that for an 'onjoin' message?
[02:16] <nalioth> dooglus: since i havent joined lately, i'm missing something
[02:16] <dooglus> nalioth: you should see it next time someone joins
[02:17] <synd> haha guys look at http://wiki.irssi.org/
[02:17] <dooglus> like me, for instance
[02:17] <transgress> synd: yes it got hacked
[02:17] <nalioth> dooglus: thats great until an op gets here
[02:17] <transgress> if someone hacked a wiki i put up i wouldn't even put it back
[02:18] <dooglus> nalioth: ok, I'll get it to go to the person who joins then, instead of to you :)
[02:18] <synd> transgress: how long has it been since it got hacked
[02:18] <cusco> there is no sense in hacking a wiki
[02:18] <nalioth> dooglus: great until an op gets here (and i'm sure they
[02:18] <cusco> :(
[02:19] <nalioth> ll immediately see the problem
[02:19] <_Church_of_Foamy> someones hacking in here?
[02:19] <synd> !seen bob2
[02:19] <ubotu> synd: i haven't seen 'bob2'
[02:19] <iratsu> my usb devices don't work and i get a bunch of messages like this: "usb 1-2: khubd timed out on ep0in" in dmesg. How can i fix this?
[02:20] <Th4tBa5t4rd> ookay i got the nVidia drivers working...nice to see screensavers running at more that 10FPS.  Does anyone know how to get either MusicPlayer or Totem to play MP3s?
[02:20] <_Church_of_Foamy> lol
[02:20] <nemik> has anyone managed to add more rs232 serial connections to their computer via a PCI card? does ubuntu recognize it?
[02:20] <synd> Th4tBa5t4rd: why dont you use smms
[02:20] <synd> xmms
[02:20] <Th4tBa5t4rd> does that work better?
[02:20] <synd> Th4tBa5t4rd: yeah
[02:20] <monchy> it's like winamp
[02:21] <synd> Th4tBa5t4rd: in my opinion
[02:21] <boodle> dumb ?... usb 2.0 or firewire.. which one better for bandwidth?
[02:21] <boodle> streamtuner's awesome
[02:22] <Th4tBa5t4rd> hmm, just tried CMMS and it's siezed
[02:22] <Th4tBa5t4rd> *XMMS
[02:22] <synd> Th4tBa5t4rd: you have to install the codeds
[02:22] <synd> codecs
[02:22] <synd> erm
[02:22] <synd> my bad
[02:22] <Th4tBa5t4rd> i did a search on Synaptec but came up with nothing for codecs
[02:22] <synd> nix what i said
[02:23] <Eudoxus> Does someone in here use TightVNC?
[02:23] <synd> you have to go into the output plugins
[02:23] <Th4tBa5t4rd> k
[02:23] <synd> and change it
[02:23] <synd> eSound output i believe
[02:24] <P229> Th4tBa5t4rd, search for mp3 and the plugins should turn up, I think they're gstreamer-plugins-mp3 or something
[02:24] <eruin> the thinking behind ubuntus version numbering just dawned on me
[02:24] <eruin> ;)
[02:25] <synd> eruin: enlighten me
[02:25] <eruin> 5.04 as in released april 2005, 5.10 as in released october 2005
[02:25] <nalioth> Th4tBa5t4rd: have you added universe and multiverse repositorys?
[02:25] <eruin> 4.10 as in released october 2004
[02:25] <synd> eruin: ooo
[02:25] <synd> eruin: thats exciting
[02:26] <eruin> synd, it had me kind of excited when I first got it ;)
[02:26] <nalioth> puzzles are always exciting to geeks
[02:26] <eruin> like I was onto some huge conspiracy
[02:27] <eruin> gnome 2.12 not being released till december etc
[02:27] <eruin> :P
[02:27] <Th4tBa5t4rd> omgoodness MUSIC thanks synd
[02:27] <synd> Th4tBa5t4rd: i accept VISA/MasterCard/Discover or personal checks
[02:28] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[02:28] <Th4tBa5t4rd> pish....i just got canned at work today... take pr0n?
[02:28] <Th4tBa5t4rd> :-P
[02:28] <GammaRay> can anyone think of a reason why the bytecode interperter option when running dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig might not work? I'm running icewm I installed via the server option. Is there possibly anything gnome sets that I could add to fonts.conf?
[02:28] <eruin> crap, I didn't have pr0n at 12
[02:29] <goldfish> synd: lol
[02:29] <Th4tBa5t4rd> i have loads due to stupid roommates getting me to show them BT
[02:29] <eruin> kids nowadays get in on all the fun
[02:29] <nalioth> synd: sure synd, sure
[02:29] <synd> :X
[02:29] <nalioth> Th4tBa5t4rd: we believe you, Th4tBa5t4rd
[02:29] <eruin> I have loads of pr0n due to me discovering BT and nautilus not actually deleting stuff
[02:30] <eruin> that sentence would actually give you more credibility?
[02:30] <Th4tBa5t4rd> heh. i don't have to DL it...just take it off his HDD. less disk churning for me
[02:31] <Th4tBa5t4rd> heh, my gf got upgraded to gf-Ex. Now looking for new version of gf.demo
[02:31] <bwb> hey us.releases seems to be down.. what is a good mirror?
[02:32] <Th4tBa5t4rd> there should have been a pop up for that. work around is to remove the "us."
[02:32] <synd> have you guys read the wikipedia entry of 'leet' speak? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet
[02:32] <Th4tBa5t4rd> and change it back afterwards to avoid missing timely upgrades
[02:32] <dooglus> bwb: it's down.  remove the 'us.' from /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:32] <synd> its rather amusing
[02:33] <Th4tBa5t4rd> the M$ page on 1447 is better
[02:33] <eruin> An example of a Leet web browser (Text instead of GUI) in Leet language
[02:33] <Th4tBa5t4rd> *1337
[02:34] <eruin> fux
[02:34] <synd>  Leetspeak is a form of written slang or street talk for the information highway. It is sometimes used to create group identity and to obscure meaning from outsiders, especially newbies (which may be written n00bs). It also establishes a hierarchy, as more complex forms of leet are increasingly unreadable to the untrained eye. Consider the phrase "PHr3Ku3N7ly H4s|{3d K0oSt330nZ!" It translates to "frequently asked questions". Note the extraneou
[02:35] <iratsu> I can't get any USB devices working (namely a printer and a USB Mass storage device). Here's the relevant output I get from dmesg: http://rafb.net/paste/results/CLwU2I99.html .Has anyone encountered this before?
[02:35] <Th4tBa5t4rd> leet is only good if it is shorter than regular text
[02:35] <Th4tBa5t4rd> or easier
[02:35] <peterretief> railsday
[02:35] <synd> leet is stupid
[02:35] <peterretief> ya
[02:35] <peterretief> me too
[02:35] <Th4tBa5t4rd> but fun to use to make fun of people with
[02:35] <peterretief> ha
[02:35] <niteM> hello
[02:35] <peterretief> hi
[02:36] <dooglus> see the error message? "version, no such nick" - that clued me in that the first argument was supposed to be a nick...
[02:36] <synd> peterretief: who are you talking to?
[02:36] <niteM> how r u?
[02:36] <peterretief> me
[02:36] <Th4tBa5t4rd> and was cool on that modded trailer for Episode 3
[02:36] <synd> Th4tBa5t4rd: ?
[02:36] <eruin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AOL_speak ;)
[02:36] <Th4tBa5t4rd> http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.boingboing.net/2005/04/13/star_wars_trailer_wi.html&e=747
[02:36] <Th4tBa5t4rd> hmm
[02:36] <niteM> i am a newbie with ubuntu linux....
[02:36] <niteM> may i ask u one thing?
[02:37] <Th4tBa5t4rd> durr.
[02:37] <Th4tBa5t4rd> <= Moron
[02:37] <synd> ask away niteM
[02:37] <niteM> ok
[02:37] <niteM> do u have any experience with bluetooth?
[02:37] <emzee> hey guys, I'm having problems with Hoary and my NIC
[02:37] <emzee> Mainly that the NIC recognises on the machine
[02:37] <emzee> but can't get a DHCP address
[02:37] <niteM> i have got a bluetooth dongle and i would like to work with it with ubuntu
[02:38] <emzee> and when I set it to static IP, it can't connect
[02:38] <peterretief> its a problem
[02:39] <niteM> anyone with bluetooth experience on ubuntu?
[02:39] <nalioth> niteM: if anyone knows, they will speak up
[02:39] <niteM> ok
[02:40] <eruin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pwn  <--- the best wikipedia article
[02:41] <peterretief> night all
[02:42] <niteM> thank you anyway
[02:42] <niteM> good nite
[02:44] <iratsu> I can't get any USB devices working (namely a printer and a USB Mass storage device). Here's the relevant output I get from dmesg: http://rafb.net/paste/results/CLwU2I99.html .Has anyone encountered this before?
[02:46] <capi> I'm getting a 403 Forbidden error for a lot of ubuntu.com repositories?
[02:46] <troy14> hello
[02:47] <troy14> how is everyone tonight?
[02:47] <nobile> hello
[02:47] <c0d3ster> great, and you?
[02:48] <nalioth> troy14: it's friday (where i'm sitting)
[02:48] <danko123456> nalioth: go say hi to the big lightbulb already...:)
[02:48] <troy14> pretty good
[02:48] <nalioth> danko123456: sorry, but it's a little late for that. the big lightbulb is no longer bothering me
[02:48] <troy14> i need that dang repo though
[02:49] <qm8008135> does ubuntu have mplayer and blender ??
[02:49] <J35U5> qm8008135, yes
[02:49] <qm8008135> i can't find them in synaptics
[02:49] <qm8008135> J35U5, how do I find them?
[02:49] <J35U5> qm8008135, got rpositories>universe.
[02:50] <qm8008135> huh? i've never used debian or ubuntu
[02:50] <Marble2> what's the easiest way to play .bin and .cue files?
[02:50] <nalioth> qm8008135: google ubuntulinux.org for "restricted formats" and add universe and multiverse repos
[02:50] <troy14> has anyone found replacement repo's for the ones that are down?
[02:50] <qm8008135> J35U5, which file should i edit?
[02:50] <qm8008135> nalioth, thans
[02:50] <J35U5> open synaptic click repositoritories >add >universe.
[02:50] <danko123456> troy14: yeah, remove the us. part
[02:51] <synd> ! restricted
[02:51] <ubotu> synd: Are you smoking crack?
[02:51] <troy14> will try
[02:51] <synd> ubotu: bastard
[02:51] <ubotu> Wish i knew, synd
[02:51] <danko123456> synd, no spaces, but it does not work right now, he is empty, no info at all it seems.
[02:51] <synd> danko123456: it works with spaces :)
[02:51] <danko123456> oh, ok. He is empty for some reason.
[02:51] <mebaran151> someone should fix our ruby pkgs
[02:51] <mebaran151> they dont contain irb or rbb
[02:51] <synd> he was wiped a few days ago
[02:51] <mebaran151> they just contain ruby
[02:52] <mebaran151> not the test shell or nothing
[02:52] <danko123456> synd: when I input something into him, he says ok, but then does not replicate
[02:52] <danko123456> !synd is Hi, Synd
[02:52] <ubotu> okay, danko123456
[02:52] <danko123456> !synd
[02:52] <ubotu> Wish i knew, danko123456
[02:52] <synd> !synd
[02:52] <mebaran151> synd
[02:52] <danko123456> exactly...
[02:52] <synd> dumb bot
[02:52] <danko123456> hehe, its a program.
[02:53] <synd> musta been written by someone at microsoft
[02:53] <danko123456> only as dumb as those using it;)
[02:53] <cafuego> Hmm, no. he's lost his connection to the dataabse.
[02:53] <cafuego> let me restart 'im
[02:53] <synd> who owns ubotu
[02:54] <danko123456> cafuego: nice, so its not lost?
[02:54] <troy14> i think i didn't get it right, because I need the hoary-extras repo
[02:54] <cafuego> danko123456: Nope
[02:54] <danko123456> synd: cafuego runs him n his comps.
[02:54] <iratsu> I can't get any USB devices working (namely a printer and a USB Mass storage device). Here's the relevant output I get from dmesg: http://rafb.net/paste/results/CLwU2I99.html .Has anyone encountered this before?
[02:54] <cafuego> !+status
[02:54] <ubotu> Since Sat Jun  4 10:54:02 2005, there have been 0 modifications and 0 questions and 0 dunnos and 2 morons and 0 commands.  I have been awake for 27s this session, and currently reference 23612 factoids.  I'm using about 15388 kB of memory.
[02:54] <synd> damnit i went 3 days without a sigarette
[02:54] <synd> cig
[02:54] <J35U5> fag
[02:54] <cafuego> synd: I haven't had one since last november.
[02:55] <danko123456> I need to buy more green:-p
[02:55] <danko123456> :-/ check this out tho.
[02:56] <danko123456> I was trying to input something into the bot, and he didnt wanna accept it, so now I ahve to type again:(
[02:56] <danko123456> Cafuego, I am gonna make the bot be good. H3e will know lots.
[02:56] <cafuego> danko123456: Just arrow-up in any decent irc client until it's back.
[02:56] <danko123456> happens I am not using a good one, plus I closed that window.
[02:57] <cafuego> good clients don't use windows <heh>
[02:57] <danko123456> hehe, well, gaim in ubuntu dont do nothing.
[02:57] <cafuego> irssi is the way to go
[02:57] <dooglus> danko123456: that's the expected behaviour
[02:57] <synd> is irssi better than xchat?
[02:57] <qm8008135> i have lik 10 repositories..do I need only one?
[02:57] <dooglus> danko123456: it doesn't do nothing for me either
[02:57] <danko123456> I prolly should do irssi. Thanks, dooglus.
[02:58] <synd> qm8008135: depends on what you need
[02:58] <qm8008135> i'm not sure which is which
[02:58] <danko123456> qm8008135: this is a good one. www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list
[02:58] <qm8008135> hoary hedgea.afjal and security updates..
[02:58] <synd> qm8008135: the sources.list on ubuntuguide.org is what i use :D
[02:58] <nalioth> synd: try irssi. its on your system now
[02:59] <nalioth> synd: you can clone, we won't tell
[02:59] <danko123456> I clone all the time, anyhow.
[02:59] <synd> is irssi a term client?
[02:59] <cafuego> synd: yes
[02:59] <qm8008135> how do  you get wheel button click scrolling to work in firefox?
[02:59] <nalioth> synd: yes, open a term and stretch it out
[02:59] <nalioth> synd: try irssi
[03:00] <cafuego> danko123456: Actually, what did you try to put into the bot? UIt'll probably be in the logs.
[03:00] <danko123456> um, cant even remember.
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[03:00] <danko123456> something, like install I think
[03:00] <cafuego> danko123456: How long ago?
[03:00] <danko123456> I think I told him what install it.
[03:00] <danko123456> is
[03:01] <abarbaccia2> hey all - i have a hercules prophet II card in my system- what drivers should i be using
[03:01] <synd`> yeehaw
[03:01] <dooglus> qm8008135: edit>preferences>advanced>browsing>use autoscrolling
[03:02] <danko123456> look, its that moron, dbernar1, what do you want man?
[03:02] <dbernar1> Um..I just wanted...
[03:02] <danko123456> shut up!
[03:02] <monchy> who is he?
[03:02] <dbernar1> ok.
[03:02] <danko123456> its me:) obviously.
[03:02] <devios> yes i saw the msg from dooglas, but when is us.archive.ubuntu.com gonna come back?
[03:02] <qm8008135> dooglus, super
[03:02] <devios> and does anyone know what happened to it?
[03:02] <nalioth> synd: at the blue bar at the bottom it says "act: 1,3" etc
[03:03] <nalioth> synd: use the <ctrl>+<num> to access them
[03:03] <synd> nalioth: it says act 3.4
[03:03] <cafuego> !install is <reply> To install things in Ubuntu, you should likely tidy up your !sources.list and once you have that done, a !GUI way to install something would be through !synaptic, or use sudo aptitude install <program name> in a !terminal if you know the name of the program you want to install.
[03:03] <devios> dooglus, not dooglas.
[03:03] <ubotu> okay, cafuego
[03:03] <nalioth> synd: so <ctrl><3> to access tha window
[03:03] <dooglus> omg I spelled ubunto wrong in the onjoin message!
[03:03] <synd> nalioth: ah i see
[03:04] <nalioth> dooglus: its okay, we're not spelling teachers
[03:04] <carlk4> there is ubunto.com? ;)
[03:04] <carlk4> damm.  beet me to it.
[03:05] <danko123456> nalioth: youre not??? then Im leaving.
[03:05] <nalioth> synd an d when you get new activity, the act: 4 lights up again
[03:05] <eruin> gah. I dont want a message about the us mirror when I join :P
[03:05] <synd> synd`: test
[03:05] <eruin> three
[03:05] <dooglus> carlk4: turns out, yes there is a ubunto.com - but there's nothing much on it
[03:05] <nalioth> synd ya get the new windows when peeps /msg <yournick>
[03:06] <dooglus> eruin: I've stopped the messages for you.  Sorry for any inconvenience
[03:06] <cafuego> nalioth: unless you switch that irritating feature off.
[03:06] <nalioth> cafuego: synd is checkin out the plain-jane irssi
[03:07] <debian_> hi i was just wondering if someone could help me with a quirky display problem im having. i put ubuntu on an old computer i got (compaq deskpro, p2 333mhz), but when im on the desktop ect, theres these weird blue artifacts that appear onscreen underneath my cursor wherever i drag it, and when i say, drag a window around, the text leaves this weird yellow smear
[03:07] <iratsu> I can't get any USB devices working (namely a printer and a USB Mass storage device). Here's the relevant output I get from dmesg: http://rafb.net/paste/results/CLwU2I99.html .Has anyone encountered this before?
[03:07] <eruin> dooglus, no worries mate, I was more thinking along the lines that you could condense the message or have ubuntu staff add it to topic
[03:07] <flodine> does ubuntu have pekwm
[03:07] <cafuego> dooglus: He';s got a point, that's highly annoying (and what /topic is for)
[03:07] <dbernar1> cafuego: so now I say.
[03:07] <dooglus> eruin: there's nobody here with ops apparently.
[03:07] <dooglus> eruin: we tried asking
[03:07] <dooglus> eruin: would a 'notice' be better do you think?
[03:07] <dbernar1> ubotu: install
[03:07] <ubotu> dbernar1: I don't know
[03:08] <eruin> dooglus: maybe you'd want to whine in #ubuntu-devel ;)
[03:08] <dooglus> eruin: ok.
[03:08] <cafuego> dbernar1: typical
[03:09] <dbernar1> cafuego: is he gonna work right at some point?
[03:09] <dbernar1> cafuego: your opinion....
[03:09] <cafuego> dbernar1: Depends on whether the author will fix his code eh.
[03:10] <cafuego> dooglus: Really, please switch that onjoin thing off.
[03:10] <dbernar1> cafuego: any other one we could use? I mean, dpkg does not seem to have these issues...
[03:10] <cafuego> dooglus: People get k-lined for that on freenode.
[03:10] <cafuego> dbernar1: dpkg is identical code though.
[03:10] <transgress> cafuego: he did it at a popular request earlier... don't be too hard on the poor lass...he was being quite helpful i promise.
[03:10] <nalioth> cafuego: the point is to minimize the most popular question of the day in here
[03:10] <cafuego> dbernar1: I think he got confused yesterday when the package download went wonky.
[03:10] <cafuego> !install
[03:10] <ubotu> cafuego: Wish i knew
[03:10] <lamont_r> dooglus: so what do you want added to the topic?
[03:10] <cafuego> ubotu: You suck.
[03:10] <ubotu> cafuego: I don't know
[03:11] <synd> nalioth: im like irssi
[03:11] <danko123456> dont, hes nice...
[03:11] <transgress> lamont_r: that us.archive is down for the moment.
[03:11] <cafuego> Ok, mysql is having issues with the factoid table. blootbot isn't.
[03:11] <synd> nalioth: i like*
[03:12] <nalioth> lamont_r: the status of us.archive.ubuntu.org
[03:12] <lamont_r> dooglus: ok.. now get rid of the onjoin message. :-)
[03:12] <dooglus> ok
[03:12] <devios> thanks for the advice dooglus
[03:12] <nalioth> thx lamont_r
[03:12] <dooglus> it's gone.
[03:12] <eruin> well done dooglus ;)
[03:13] <danko123456> I would like to take this occassion...
[03:13] <qm8008135> how do I  make gnome not do fancy things when minimized?
[03:13] <danko123456> use better questions, it may help.
[03:13] <eruin> qm8008135, didn't think it did fancy things unless xcompmgr was running
[03:13] <goldfish> lol
[03:14] <dooglus> danko123456: you know the 'zoomy' animation when you minimise a window?
[03:14] <dooglus> danko123456: it used to really get on my nerves too - but I got used to it.  I never found a way to ask it to stop
[03:14] <eruin> enable composite and run xcompmgr
[03:14] <eruin> atleast that makes it prettier ;)
[03:14] <goldfish> and transset
[03:14] <eruin> transset isnt really useful atm
[03:15] <goldfish> works for me :)
[03:15] <eruin> unless you have a spare scrollwheel to control opacity ;)
[03:15] <danko123456> qm8008135: I thought that is what he means, I know how to get rid of it. Applications>System Tools>COnfig Editor>Apps>Metacity>General>reduced_resources/
[03:15] <eruin> http://appelsinjuice.org/screen.png
[03:15] <eruin> I need more bling
[03:16] <LinuxJones> eruin, Bling,Bling !!
[03:16] <goldfish> eruin: www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~goldfish/Screenshot-3.png
[03:16] <danko123456> the penguin is out there?
[03:17] <danko123456> www.mts.net/~danb/Screenshot-3.png
[03:17] <eruin> goldfish, I cant help but to notice the boxy things around your window decoration :O
[03:17] <danko123456> get the joke about the feet and hands?
[03:17] <lamont_r> qm8008135: you might try running gconf editor and going to apps, metacity, general, reduced_resources - but that may be overkill
[03:17] <paulienyc> i got a ?
[03:17] <cafuego> 'ere we go.
[03:17] <danko123456> lamont_r: yeah, taht works, I told that a little while ago.
[03:17] <goldfish> eruin: yeah :/
[03:18] <iratsu> where are boot options specified?
[03:18] <eruin> danko123456, the IE icon kinda grabbed my attention more :P
[03:18] <cafuego> The electronic idiot is fixed.
[03:18] <danko123456> Its for my dad:)
[03:18] <devios> anyone know if there is a 3d game I can install from the package manager to test to see if hoary made my radeon 9800 work out of the box?
[03:18] <raDeon> WHO CALLED ME
[03:18] <raDeon> WHO
[03:18] <lamont_r> danko123456: I must learn to actually read scrollback after I go look up an answer, eh?
[03:18] <raDeon> SPEAK UP
[03:18] <danko123456> synd, wtf? stop being illegal.
[03:18] <danko123456> I guess:)
[03:19] <goldfish> devios: there is a 3d billiards game
[03:19] <goldfish> em
[03:19] <transgress> synd: why you going to jail?>
[03:19] <synd> danko123456: i got pulled over, and apparently my damn DL was suspended. so they arrested me and searched my car
[03:19] <danko123456> so yeah, I bought a raDeon card the other day... and so, raDeon was not really working in my comp, so I read the raDeon wiki page...
[03:19] <paulienyc> i just got ubunta up and running finallyt
[03:19] <synd> and found my fake ID
[03:19] <qm8008135> ah thanks lamont and danko123456 gnome is just way too bloated
[03:19] <synd> class D felony charge
[03:19] <paulienyc> i have a wireless card i want to use
[03:19] <raDeon> WHO CALLED ME
[03:19] <paulienyc> i noticed
[03:19] <raDeon> SPEAK UP OR DIE
[03:19] <transgress> danko123456: really?  i got my raDeon to work pretty easily with ubuntu.
[03:19] <paulienyc> it in the forums
[03:19] <danko123456> synd, ok, whats a fake ID? is that like if you carry your dads ID around with you?
[03:19] <synd> raDeon: nut
[03:20] <paulienyc> and it will not install
[03:20] <paulienyc> correctly
[03:20] <paulienyc> unless it has some serious hacks
[03:20] <raDeon> put the lime in the coke, bitch
[03:20] <synd> danko123456: no, a fraudulent fabricated ID
[03:20] <transgress> danko123456: the raDeon wiki on the ubuntu page was the best i've seen ... even though it still has problems.
[03:20] <dooglus> so us.archive is back up now?
[03:20] <danko123456> synd. well thre is a lesson learned... sorry to hear that tho.
[03:20] <eruin> qm8008135 is going to hate linux once xgl and luminocity really steps up :P
[03:20] <transgress> synd: jail for a fake ID?  i mean i know it's a federal offense... but i haven't heard of people going to jail for it around here.. where you live?
[03:20] <danko123456> transgress: meh... I just dont like raDeon cards that much, I guess.
[03:20] <synd> danko123456: thats true. hopefully it gets dropped down to misdemeanor
[03:20] <qm8008135> eruin, no idea
[03:21] <synd> transgress: yeah, i know. i have a few friends that got the same charge but it got dropped down to misdemeanor
[03:21] <danko123456> so yeah, I may not be getting raDeon cards any more... and that.
[03:21] <transgress> danko123456: i've loved mine since i got it running in linux.  raDeon will probably be what i stick with now that i figured out the problems.
[03:21] <transgress> synd: they gonna offer you a plea?
[03:21] <qm8008135> glxinfo
[03:21] <qm8008135> name of display: :0.0 libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x24
[03:21] <synd> transgress: kentucky, btw
[03:21] <lamont_r> danko123456: possible lessons learned: 1) don't drive on a suspended DL. (2) get a fake ID good enough to drive on, (3) hide the fake one better, (4) live with the age you are, and don't have a fake ID...
[03:21] <qm8008135> Segmentation fault
[03:21] <synd> transgress: hopefully. i find out this monday
[03:21] <transgress> synd: i'd get a lawyer if you can afford one... i got fucked when i got arrested because i didn't.
[03:21] <qm8008135> i can't even run glxinfo
[03:22] <danko123456> lamont_r: all valid solutions.
[03:22] <lamont_r> danko123456: some better than others, though...
[03:22] <transgress> synd: oh god! move.  kentucky is even worse than alabama... you people didn't evolve and your women don't wanna vote!
[03:22] <danko123456> I dont know, does anyone like raDeon cards at all?
[03:22] <raDeon> not i
[03:22] <lamont_r> transgress: let's try to keep the tone of the channel civil, ok?
[03:22] <danko123456> no, eh?
[03:22] <danko123456> :-p
[03:22] <qm8008135> anyone gets seg fault when running glxinfo or glxgears?
[03:22] <synd> transgress: i love kentucky! i live in about the only civil part.. lexington
[03:22] <danko123456> kk. bye
[03:23] <synd> transgress: we wear shoes, not like the rest of KY
[03:23] <lamont_r> qm8008135: runs fine for me...
[03:23] <transgress> synd: heh i loathe shoes... but eh do you have thumbs?
[03:23] <qm8008135> lamont_r, good for you
[03:23] <forced> qm8008135, Sounds like your glx driver isn't installed or enabled.
[03:23] <transgress> lamont_r: i try... i really do.  but kentucky scares me.
[03:23] <qm8008135> lamont_r, what graphic card are you using?
[03:23] <synd> transgress: haha ive heard many jokes.. thats a pretty good one
[03:23] <Unintentional> Is there anyone to obtain the HorizSync and VertRefresh values for a monitor through the computer.  Those specs don't exist for my monitor.
[03:23] <Unintentional> ?
[03:24] <qm8008135> forced, Load "glx" Load "dri"
[03:24] <transgress> synd: heh it's all in fun though... like i said... i live in bama... so it's not really a step up or anything.
[03:24] <dooglus> goldfish: how have you made those terminal windows properly transparent?
[03:24] <qm8008135>         Driver          "r128"
[03:24] <forced> qm8008135, ATI or NVidia?
[03:24] <forced> Nm.
[03:24] <qm8008135> rage 128
[03:24] <carthik_away> Unintentional, search on google
[03:24] <forced> No clue on ATI cards, sorry. :)
[03:24] <synd> transgress: i hear ya. the south is where its at!
[03:24] <qm8008135> Module                  Size  Used by
[03:24] <qm8008135> r128                   41984  1
[03:24] <iphopper> ello all
[03:24] <forced> But the problem is your GL implementation.
[03:24] <qm8008135> so that module is loaded
[03:24] <iphopper> i have a question about the live cd for PPC
[03:24] <qm8008135> forced, how do I change the implementation?
[03:25] <synd> iphopper: go ahead
[03:25] <forced> The only time glxgears/info ever crash is when it can't find a suitable GL driver.
[03:25] <Unintentional> carthik_away, searched on google.  checked the web page.  called the company.  nothing.
[03:25] <iphopper> k
[03:25] <bwb> hey could I have somebody's sources.list lines (/msg me) for hoary?
[03:25] <transgress> synd: heh i loathe it... i get along with like 3 people here... planning on moving to dallas which i guess is sort of the south... but still.
[03:25] <iphopper> the live cd boots fine on my g3 rev a imac.
[03:25] <qm8008135> (II) R128(0): Direct rendering enabled
[03:25] <iphopper> and ir ead that ubuntu supports my performa, though it won't boot on it.  it's just accessible through macos
[03:25] <carthik_away> Unintentional, try using knoppix then
[03:25] <forced> Try google, heh. Search for how to enable opengl with your video card.
[03:25] <carthik_away> Unintentional, knoppix might detect it right
[03:25] <iphopper> does the live disc just not support the older macs and only the installations do?
[03:25] <synd> transgress: what part of bama do you reside?
[03:25] <cafuego> iphopper: The performa is an OldWorld mac, it will need MacOS plus the BootX enstension to boot (or a floppy)
[03:26] <transgress> synd: about 30 minutes outside of Huntsville
[03:26] <iphopper> i read that for yellowdog
[03:26] <Unintentional> carthik_away: would Knoppix give the values then?
[03:26] <iphopper> is it true of ubuntu as well?
[03:26] <cafuego> iphopper: For any Linux distro.
[03:26] <synd> iphopper: you have to hold C when you boot, as well.
[03:26] <bwb> just need a couple sources.list lines..
[03:26] <bwb> please...
[03:26] <iphopper> synd:  yeah, i know
[03:26] <lamont_r> iphopper: colored G3 and later
[03:26] <cafuego> iphopper: Pretty much no mac with the on-board ROM can boot Linux off cd.
[03:26] <iphopper> damn.
[03:26] <iphopper> :(
[03:26] <synd> transgress: i see. i dig lynyrd skynyrd : )
[03:27] <iphopper> i'm stuck with os 8.1 for now then?  boo.
[03:27] <cafuego> iphopper: Mind you, when you have a small macos partitino and bootx set up OK, Linux will dual-boot just fine.
[03:27] <synd> iphopper: go invest in a mac mini : p
[03:27] <iphopper> i tried putting some flavor of BSD on there earlier, and it doesn't wanna boot that as well
[03:27] <transgress> heh i don't... i'm listening to Bob Marley right now...
[03:27] <transgress> iphopper: try netbsd?  it runs on toasters
[03:27] <iphopper> cafuego:  this box came to me with just a 1 gig HD
[03:27] <cafuego> iphopper: No, no. it take a bit more work, but for instance my 8600 runs Linux just dandy (if a bit slow)
[03:27] <lamont_r> iphopper: rom-based firmware doesn't like to boot much from CDrom
[03:28] <cafuego> iphopper: 60Mb macos ans 940Mb Linux
[03:28] <iphopper> i have no other scsi drives to put in it.
[03:28] <iphopper> macos only takes 60MB?
[03:28] <iphopper> 8.1 is a bit larger than that i think.
[03:28] <jind> How can I install the dependencies to a package at the same time I install a package from my hard drive here? I try "dpkg -i package.deb" and it stops and complains about dependencies. Any suggestions?
[03:28] <lamont_r> iphopper: I think someone was working on adding support for oldworld mac's, but that's not in hoary
[03:28] <cafuego> iphopper: if you do an minimal install
[03:28] <iphopper> on this 1gb drive, it tells me that 500 is free.
[03:28] <synd> does DSL run on PPC?
[03:28] <transgress> jind: use apt
[03:28] <lamont_r> jind: wrap it in an apt-archive
[03:28] <cafuego> iphopper: I can get 8.6 down to ~ 60Mb, no reason 8.1 can't
[03:28] <nalioth> mac mini = cheap + good
[03:28] <cafuego> s/6/5/
[03:28] <lamont_r> jind: apt-get install apt-ftparchive if it's not there already
[03:28] <iphopper> cafuego:  ok, i can try.
[03:28] <Amaranth> lamont_r: iirc someone actually has a bootloader for old-world macs written, but it's very hackish
[03:29] <transgress> i was thinking about getting a mac mini
[03:29] <cafuego> nalioth: motherboard     : PowerMac10,1 MacRISC3 Power Macintosh / motherboard     : PowerMac10,1 MacRISC3 Power Macintosh
[03:29] <jind> thanks
[03:29] <iphopper> cafuego:  so to boot into ubuntu...i'll need to keep macos, and i need bootx?
[03:29] <cafuego> detected as     : 287 (Mac mini)
[03:29] <synd> nalioth: figured youd chime in when you saw mac mini mentioned : )
[03:29] <transgress> but then i realized i needed to save money for my move
[03:29] <jind> I'll take a look at it
[03:29] <bwb> anybody could just copy/paste their primary reposistory line in sources.list?
[03:29] <bwb> ppllease
[03:29] <lamont_r> jind: apt-utils is the package -sorry
[03:29] <synd> bwb: ubuntuguide.com has a good one
[03:29] <cafuego> iphopper: Yep. Make *sure* Ypu can access stuffit expander on MacOS
[03:29] <lamont_r> jind: and ubuntu-desktop depends on it.
[03:29] <synd> bwb: .org, sorryl.
[03:29] <bwb> synd: no, I need primary hoary respostiory one
[03:30] <bwb> synd: cause  Ijust installed old hoary preview release
[03:30] <iphopper> cafuego:  is there a decent how-to on this on the ubuntu support?
[03:30] <synd> say what?
[03:30] <bwb> which seems to have depreacted repositories for hoary
[03:30] <lamont_r> bwb: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[03:30] <Amaranth> it doesn't
[03:30] <bwb> so I can't apt-get update/upgrade to new packages
[03:30] <bwb> thanks
[03:30] <cafuego> iphopper: You'll want a *minimal* HFS partition (NOT hfsplus) with net access, a web browser and stuffit expander... also enough space to store 2 kernel (20-odd mb)
[03:30] <nalioth> cafuego: sorry, i'm only a new-world mac user
[03:30] <transgress> us.archive is back up seemingly
[03:30] <lamont_r> transgress: dns was tweaked
[03:30] <iphopper> so i need to put this machine on my network then.
[03:30] <cafuego> nalioth: I'm just hacking alsa 1.0.9 into the mac mini here, so sound will work.
[03:30] <iphopper> more work than i thought this would be. :/
[03:31] <synd> Amaranth: whatd you change?
[03:31] <nalioth> cafuego: you go!
[03:31] <Amaranth> removed the note about us.archive being down
[03:31] <cafuego> iphopper: No, but the Debian howto will work fine.
[03:31] <cafuego> nalioth: I go the login chime and then it stopped <heh>
[03:32] <nalioth> cafuego: thats why they call it "hacking"
[03:32] <lamont_r> Amaranth: thans
[03:32] <lamont_r> thanks, even
[03:32] <synd> jesus christ these cigarettes need to go away
[03:32] <Amaranth> trying to quit? :)
[03:33] <synd> i was nicotine sober for 3 days !
[03:33] <LinuxJones> synd, I have the same prob...drinking beer atm...does nothing but make me want more :(
[03:33] <johan_> how do you set mp3 for totem
[03:33] <synd> but i found a pack in my pants
[03:33] <Amaranth> heh
[03:33] <Amaranth> i went a week once
[03:33] <johan_> whats the codec i need
[03:33] <forced> Anyone have any idea what would stop SDL from being able to show OpenGL rendering? (Yes, the program is right and runs on other boxes/os's, just not ubuntu.) Heh.
[03:33] <Amaranth> well, i went 3 months once, but that was because i was flat broke
[03:33] <synd> LinuxJones: me too. i have* to have a marlboro light when i drink a miller light
[03:33] <Amaranth> get some gum
[03:33] <synd> Amaranth: that'll do it
[03:34] <Amaranth> it helps, seriously
[03:34] <synd> Amaranth: that shit is expenseive!
[03:34] <synd> isnt it?
[03:34] <Amaranth> no, i mean chewing gum
[03:34] <synd> oh
[03:34] <LinuxJones> synd, you must only weigh 50 pounds :)
[03:34] <synd> LinuxJones: bashing my choice of brew : P
[03:34] <synd> ?
[03:35] <GammaRay> #
[03:35] <synd> Amaranth: mountain dew seems to help a lot, but i dont know whats worse for you.. cigs or mt dew haha.
[03:35] <Amaranth> it has to be better than both
[03:36] <GammaRay> somehow I think the tar in cigs are worse than the sugar in a soft drink
[03:36] <synd> GammaRay: caffeine is much worse than sugar
[03:36] <synd> GammaRay: mt dew has a substantial amt of caffeine
[03:36] <Amaranth> speaking of which, try to lay off carbs and sugars right before bed
[03:37] <synd> Amaranth: or get fat
[03:37] <synd> :D
[03:37] <Amaranth> no, you'll sleep better
[03:37] <GammaRay> 90% of lung cancer is from smoking
[03:37] <synd> GammaRay: thats pretty obvious
[03:37] <GammaRay> how many people a year does caffeine kill?
[03:37] <Amaranth> because if you 'come down' from the sugar buzz while before or during sleep you'll toss and turn all night
[03:37] <_Church_of_Foamy> is there a timezone calculator for ubuntu?
[03:38] <synd> Amaranth: see i watched 20/20 and they had a top 10 myths revealed and #1 was that sugar doesnt give a buzz or makes people hyper
[03:39] <Amaranth> synd: But it does raise your blood sugar level (obviously). Your blood sugar crashes after you've had a lot then suddenly stopped (because you went to bed).
[03:39] <synd> ah, i see
[03:39] <synd> makes sense
[03:39] <synd> what is your choice of cigarettes Amaranth?
[03:40] <__c4__> 'scuse me...anyone know about CPU throttling?
[03:40] <synd> __c4__: overclocking?
[03:40] <Amaranth> synd: marlboro
[03:40] <Amaranth> __c4__: Only that it has something to do with powernowd
[03:40] <cafuego> __c4__: If you install powernowd, it _should_ autoload the modules and just work
[03:40] <Anubis> __c4__, I use my bios
[03:40] <__c4__> ...throttling for mobile processors...I'm on a VAIO and the CPU keeps getting stuck down on a lower speed, though I've seen it go higher before
[03:41] <pspinler> if I may pose my utterly stupid question, please: using xchat-2.4.1-ubuntu5, how in the world do you dismiss the "Channel List" window, once you call it up?
[03:41] <nemik> hello, how would i make a shell script load a php page?
[03:41] <pspinler> and yes, it's terribly ironic to ask a question about xchat in an irc forum .. :-)
[03:41] <Anubis> powerdnow hates my XP AMD 1800
[03:41] <dooglus> nemik: you would use 'wget'?
[03:41] <__c4__> cafuego: powernowd is loading and appears happy...
[03:41] <dooglus> pspinler: that's #xchat
[03:41] <nemik> wget? or lynx?
[03:41] <cafuego> Anubis: Most non-mobile athlons can't be throttled.
[03:42] <dooglus> nemik: I would use wget if it was a script - or curl
[03:42] <nemik> ok cool, i will try that. thank you!
[03:42] <dooglus> nemik: depends if you want to display the page, or just load it
[03:42] <nemik> just load it
[03:42] <__c4__> Anubis, I'll check the BIOS...
[03:42] <dooglus> nemik: do you want the user to see the page?
[03:42] <Anubis> cafuego, do you know where I can find out more?
[03:42] <dooglus> that's what lynx does well.
[03:43] <nemik> i want it to load a php page with some variable passed through the URL and then the php will process it to a database and such
[03:43] <pspinler> thanks dooglus -- I reposted the question in the proper forum
[03:43] <cafuego> Anubis: 99% sure the 1800 doesn't throttle (my mobile 1800 does though)
[03:43] <sysrq> nemik: curl might be better for the job
[03:43] <nemik> what is curl?
[03:44] <sysrq> the man page has a pretty good summary
[03:44] <Anubis> cafuego, :(
[03:44] <nemik> nevermind, i should probably read http://www.freeos.com/guides/lsst/ first!
[03:44] <kalenedrael> ok, i am wondering if this is a ubuntu problem or an nvidia driver problem
[03:44] <nemik> can i ask shell programming questions here or is there another channel for such things?
[03:45] <kalenedrael> it doesn't seem to show up on my other machines not running ubuntu... but it looks like an nvidia driver problem
[03:45] <nalioth> dooglus: libcurl or curl
[03:45] <kalenedrael> if i try to start anything using glx, like glxgears, i get the error:
[03:45] <kalenedrael> glxgears: relocation error: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: symbol gnu_dev_makedev, version GLIBC_2.3.3 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
[03:46] <cafuego> Anubis: When you upgrade to an athlon64, it'll throttle. (not that it matters much anyway)
[03:46] <GammaRay> nemik: try #bash
[03:46] <nemik> on freenode?
[03:46] <GammaRay> nemik: yep
[03:46] <kalenedrael> athlon64s throttle?
[03:46] <johan_> where are the alternative ftp for source
[03:46] <cafuego> kalenedrael: yep
[03:46] <cafuego> kalenedrael: On top of that they switch off their cpu fna if they're not hot.
[03:46] <nemik> thank you gammaray. they have nice links on the topic
[03:47] <kalenedrael> yes, my laptop does that
[03:47] <kalenedrael> although i haven't done anything with throttling
[03:47] <cafuego> The desktops do, too.
[03:47] <cafuego> Mine just runs at 1GHz when idle.
[03:47] <kalenedrael> throttling = pointless on a desktop, imho
[03:47] <cafuego> only time it needs to speed up is when Evolution loads
[03:48] <kalenedrael> yeah, mine runs at 800MHz idle
[03:48] <cafuego> kalenedrael: throttle = less heat = no fan = less noise
[03:48] <kalenedrael> or when running nice processes
[03:48] <kalenedrael> well, throttle limits the max cpu load, right?
[03:48] <cafuego> kalenedrael: No, it just speeds up when it gets to 1
[03:48] <cafuego> kalenedrael: It jumps between throttled and non-throttled depending on workload
[03:49] <kalenedrael> oh, never mind then
[03:49] <johan_> can anyone post url for sources
[03:49] <cafuego> johan_: apt-setup
[03:49] <kalenedrael> i thought that was cpu frequency scaling
[03:49] <johan_> thanks
[03:49] <Amaranth> apple to announce switch to intel CPUs on monday, AAPL stock drops $1.80
[03:49] <cafuego> kalenedrael: same diff
[03:50] <synd> Amaranth: that drop was due to apple announcing the iPod battery thing
[03:50] <kalenedrael> apple is switching to intel cpus?!
[03:50] <synd> kalenedrael: no
[03:50] <kalenedrael> ok, that's what i thought
[03:50] <Xyc0> Anyone here use VideoLan MP?
[03:50] <goldfish> vlc rocks.
[03:50] <[Spooky] > yes
[03:50] <Amaranth> http://news.com.com/Apple+to+ditch+IBM%2C+switch+to+Intel+chips/2100-1006_3-5731398.html?tag=nefd.lede
[03:50] <Xyc0> How do you add folders to the playlist?
[03:50] <karljp> If I have dpkg installed multiple packages with the same name, but different versions, how can I uninstall specific versions?
[03:51] <Amaranth> karljp: If they had the same name the old versions got uninstalled.
[03:51] <[Spooky] > Xyc0: you use it for music ?
[03:51] <nalioth> Amaranth: teh article i read speculated ther'd be one itanium and one 970fx in each box
[03:51] <Xyc0> spooky: im hopeing i can use it
[03:51] <synd> kalenedrael: apple has been talking to intel, but the move is unlikely
[03:51] <karljp> amaranth: well, that sucks. kinda defeated my purpose of using checkinstall then
[03:52] <[Spooky] > Xyc0: ok well i just use it for my video files...
[03:52] <karljp> I wanted to have the stable version, and my various hacked builds
[03:52] <cafuego> if i could get Tiger on my athlon, I'd switch in an instant.
[03:52] <Amaranth> vlc for all video stuff except WMV3 (jlj is working on this), xine with w32codecs for WMV3, rhythmbox or muine for music
[03:52] <kalenedrael> synd, considering intel's reputation for making not-so-great architectures, i believe that
[03:52] <Xyc0> spooky: but i also have full episodes of TV shows that i want to wathc in order
[03:52] <Amaranth> kalenedrael: Have you seen the Pentium M?
[03:52] <cafuego> kalenedrael: The thing is, there *is* a working Darwin x86
[03:52] <kalenedrael> the pentium m is ok
[03:52] <synd> theres nothing on thinksecret.com
[03:52] <Amaranth> kalenedrael: The dual core Pentium M is expected to use the same ammount of power as the single core version.
[03:53] <kalenedrael> hmm, now that's different
[03:53] <[Spooky] > Xyc0: then ad the files to the playlist...
[03:53] <synd> it was talking about apple and intel about a week ago
[03:53] <Amaranth> And the Pentium M as is gives the Opterons and P4s a run for their money.
[03:53] <kalenedrael> aren't they based on the pentium 3?
[03:53] <synd> http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0505itunes49.html
[03:53] <nalioth> i feel a lower-mhz dual proc system is fine for me
[03:53] <kalenedrael> i still think the G5 processors have the best architecture
[03:54] <synd> kalenedrael: most definitely
[03:54] <Xyc0> Sure if you watn to pay out the ass
[03:54] <Amaranth> kalenedrael: Yeah, more or less. The Pentium M and the current Pentium 4 where the two designs made to become the Pentium 4.
[03:54] <synd> Xyc0: its well worth it : )
[03:55] <kalenedrael> it is well worth it...
[03:55] <schleyfox> hello, I have been having serious and grave issues with ubuntu 5.04.  warty worked fairly well, but I could not get ndiswrapper to work.  I really liked ubuntu, but I need another distro so I can just make it work.  I would like something somewhat similar to ubuntu and probably a debian flavor.  Any suggestions?
[03:55] <BockBilbo> hello
[03:55] <kalenedrael> can you be more specific with the ndiswrapper problem?
[03:55] <thechitowncubs> How can I kill x so that I can install the Nvidia drivers?
[03:55] <synd> schleyfox: #ubuntu is not a place to ask suggestions on other distros other than ubuntu : )
[03:55] <nalioth> dual G5 box running yellowdog?
[03:55] <kalenedrael> thechitowncubs, kill gdm
[03:55] <BockBilbo> i have a question... ive just installed the overnet core from ed2k-gui in a server i have which runs ubuntu
[03:55] <schleyfox> I know
[03:55] <synd> blah yellowdog
[03:55] <nalioth> synd: be nice
[03:56] <schleyfox> I really liked ubuntu
[03:56] <schleyfox> I would love to use it
[03:56] <BockBilbo> and i would like it to run this core everytime the system boots
[03:56] <schleyfox> it just doesn't work with my set up
[03:56] <BockBilbo> should i do an script in rc's?
[03:56] <schleyfox> and I desperately need something newer than warty
[03:56] <BockBilbo> or any other suggestion?
[03:56] <synd> schleyfox: hoary is newer than warty
[03:56] <synd> stable to boot
[03:56] <jind> How come applications:/// does not work in nautilus?
[03:56] <Xyc0> Breezy
[03:57] <schleyfox> yes but hoary doesn't actually work
[03:57] <schleyfox> on my setup
[03:57] <Amaranth> jind: They changed the way the menus work. You'll have to get a menu editor.
[03:57] <kalenedrael> i think thechitowncubs was successful in killing X...
[03:57] <dooglus> Amaranth: I hear that 'smeg' is very good :)
[03:57] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, any idea?
[03:57] <Xyc0> What do you mean by "newer" schleyfox?
[03:57] <kalenedrael> or not
[03:57] <jind> Alright. Can you give me the name of a menu-editor then?
[03:57] <Xyc0> and what do you mean by "my setup"
[03:57] <schleyfox> relatively current
[03:57] <synd> smeg sucks so bad, i hope that its dev dies
[03:57] <schleyfox> thinkpad 600
[03:57] <thechitowncubs> killing gdm just made my screen go black
[03:57] <kalenedrael> thechitowncubs, how is it?
[03:57] <kalenedrael> oh
[03:57] <sasquatc4> hmmm, guess i wish i woulda read the faq before installing breezy
[03:57] <sasquatc4> this sucks
[03:57] <Xyc0> jind www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:57] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: Yeah, an init script.
[03:57] <thechitowncubs> and I had to reboot
[03:57] <jind> Thanks
[03:57] <synd> just kidding : )
[03:57] <dooglus> thechitowncubs: what if you "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" ?
[03:58] <Amaranth> Xyc0: The one on there is outdated!
[03:58] <kalenedrael> hmm, with kubuntu i just kill kdm
[03:58] <Xyc0> jind, trust me it helps alot
[03:58] <schleyfox> I just need to be able to get ndiswrapper up and running (I hacked at it for several hours last night, and I have a well supported card)
[03:58] <Amaranth> Xyc0: I've released 0.7.4, the one on there is 0.6
[03:58] <Xyc0> im not just RTMing you jind
[03:58] <thechitowncubs> dooglus: i'll give it a try
[03:58] <nalioth> thechitowncubs: when you kill gdm, use the fingers to push <ctrl><alt><f3> and install your stuff
[03:58] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, but i have a question.. the init scripts are usually executed by the root account... right?
[03:58] <dooglus> thechitowncubs: you might have to reboot again...
[03:58] <sasquatc4> thechitowncubs: did GDM crap out on you too with breezy?
[03:58] <Amaranth> Xyc0, jind: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38183
[03:58] <nalioth> thechitowncubs: after you kill gdm, use the fingers to push <ctrl><alt><f3> and install your stuff
[03:58] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: yeah
[03:58] <dooglus> thechitowncubs: 'cos it will just kill gdm, pretty much
[03:58] <BockBilbo> so.. what if i want the program to be executed as an specific user?
[03:58] <thechitowncubs> I'm not using breezy
[03:59] <dooglus> nalioth: do you need to kill gdm for the Ctl-Alt-F3 thing to work?
[03:59] <Xyc0> amaranth: what are you referring to, the menu editor or the guide?
[03:59] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: As root you can su <user> to switch to it, no password needed, iirc.
[03:59] <Amaranth> Xyc0: the menu editor
[03:59] <thechitowncubs> nalioth: NVIDIA still detected the X server running
[03:59] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, so, for exampleo: su USERNAME PROGRAM ?
[03:59] <nalioth> dooglus: nope
[03:59] <sasquatc4> So, is there any help being offered for those of us who installed breezy? cause i did a full apt-get upgrade, and now it broke gdm, xbase-clients, libgksu, gnome-ssytem-monitor and a few other things. It gets them from dpkg errors
[03:59] <nalioth> dooglus: but he seemed lost at a black X screen
[03:59] <sasquatc4> since gdm is messed up i cant get into X
[03:59] <Xyc0> Amaranth: anything in .74 thats crtical for someone just starting?
[04:00] <sysrq> BockBilbo: sudo -u USERNAME program is preffered in ubuntu
[04:00] <synd> sasquatc4: well the topic clearly states not to use breezy
[04:00] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: su foo; program
[04:00] <BockBilbo> sysrq, not talking about that
[04:00] <BockBilbo> ;)
[04:00] <Amaranth> Xyc0: many many bug fixes
[04:00] <sysrq> BockBilbo: if you need a shell then sudo -u USER -s works as well
[04:00] <kalenedrael> how about sudo?
[04:00] <thechitowncubs> Got it, after i ctrl+alt+f3, then i /etc/init.d/gm stop
[04:00] <thechitowncubs> then it worked
[04:00] <thechitowncubs> thanks guys
[04:00] <BockBilbo> sysrq, thanks :) butim talking about a init script
[04:00] <Amaranth> Xyc0: Use the installsmeg script, it downloads the new gnome-menus too. That fixes lots of bugs too.
[04:00] <nalioth> dooglus: you can do it now, <f7> is your x screen
[04:00] <BockBilbo> not sure if sudo would work for that
[04:00] <BockBilbo> ;)
[04:01] <dooglus> nalioth: right.  so I see.
[04:01] <jind> The newest ubuntu, it that calles hoary or warthy?
[04:01] <thechitowncubs> what is the command to get the kernel source?
[04:01] <odie5533> How do I kill a process from a terminal?
[04:01] <kalenedrael> kill <pid>
[04:01] <nalioth> dooglus: i use <f2> and <f3> for runnin background things
[04:01] <thechitowncubs> what package is it?
[04:01] <odie5533> how do I get a pid?
[04:01] <dooglus> nalioth: do you know 'screen'?
[04:01] <kalenedrael> ps -A
[04:01] <thechitowncubs> kernel-source-'uname -r'?
[04:01] <kalenedrael> look for the process name
[04:01] <odie5533> ty
[04:01] <nalioth> dooglus: i love screen
[04:01] <lleberg_> How do i extract uni.svcd-tws.r00-48?
[04:01] <kalenedrael> or, you can do /sbin/pidof <process name>
[04:01] <dooglus> nalioth: you know its 'C-a d' feature, to detach?
[04:01] <jind> odie5533, a easier way is to use killall -3 nameofprocesstokill
[04:01] <dooglus> nalioth: and 'screen -r' to reattach?
[04:02] <iphopper> is cafuego still about?
[04:02] <kalenedrael> screen is great
[04:02] <dooglus> nalioth: that's how I stay on IRC even when rebooting...
[04:02] <iphopper> or synd
[04:02] <nalioth> lleberg_: you need to find uni.svcd-tws.r00-01
[04:02] <iphopper> either way.  this machine is now gettin a minimal instlal of 8.1
[04:02] <nalioth> dooglus: yes i know detach and resume
[04:02] <lleberg_> nalioth: they end with r00 r01 r02 and so on
[04:02] <iphopper> i'm assuming i need to partition the drive appropriately before i do a minimal instlal of 8.1?
[04:02] <synd> iphopper: hmm?
[04:03] <nalioth> dooglus: and yes, i could ssh into my server and y'all would never see me leave, but i prefer the personal schedule appearance
[04:03] <iphopper> just stumbling along with this performa is all
[04:03] <nalioth> lleberg_: the the r00 one
[04:03] <sysrq> nalioth: unrar
[04:03] <iphopper> i have to partition this drive to 2 partitions, then put minimal install of 8.1 on the first, and ubuntu on the second?
[04:03] <nalioth> lleberg_: or the .rar
[04:03] <synd> iphopper: might as well gut the performa and make a speaker out of it : p
[04:03] <johnnybezak> hey guys whats up?
[04:03] <dooglus> nalioth: I don't use the F2 and F3 screens at all - I use screen for running background stuff
[04:03] <iphopper> synd:  perish the though :D
[04:03] <iphopper> thought*
[04:03] <lleberg_> nalioth: How do i extraxt rar?
[04:03] <lleberg_> extract
[04:03] <kalenedrael> lleberg_, google
[04:04] <blahrus> unrar -e
[04:04] <dooglus> lleberg_: use 'unrar'
[04:04] <nalioth> dooglus: i run screen in other logins, keep the crap i dont need to constantly monitor out of sight
[04:04] <kalenedrael> i never remember having unrar as part of the distro
[04:04] <nalioth> dooglus: less drain on the cpu (supporting another gui)
[04:04] <lleberg_> unrar, command not found..
[04:04] <makaveli> i have a question does anyone know how to set up a shortcut or a hotkey that would allow you to switch to the next workspace or previous workspace?
[04:04] <iphopper> in an older OS such as 8.1, do i partition the drive to 2 drives first then install a minimal system?
[04:04] <dooglus> lleberg_: install it.  it's in the 'unrar' package.
[04:04] <lleberg_> oh, of course
[04:04] <dooglus> lleberg_: unless it's a version 3 rar file, in which case you'll need the 'unrar-nonfree' package
[04:04] <nalioth> lleberg_: find the file that ends with .rar and use the command "unrar x filename.rar" on it
[04:05] <Xyc0> I might be preaching to the choir, but Ubuntu is the most professional, well structured distro I've used yet.
[04:05] <synd> Xyc0: i agree.
[04:05] <kalenedrael> that's good to hear
[04:05] <johnnybezak> do any of you guys use epiphany? is it still under development
[04:05] <kalenedrael> i like it
[04:05] <synd> Xyc0: thats why its #1 on distrowatch,com
[04:05] <kalenedrael> i prefer it to fedora core 3, for sure....
[04:05] <Xyc0> That it is
[04:05] <nalioth> johnnybezak: epiphany is kinda blah for me
[04:06] <kalenedrael> no (well, less) memory leaks...
[04:06] <makaveli> where is the file that would allow me to switch workspaces using a hotkey
[04:06] <Xyc0> I was a FC4 user too
[04:06] <lleberg_> What?
[04:06] <lleberg_> it failed!
[04:06] <synd> anyone use slack?
[04:06] <nalioth> johnnybezak: try kazekahase for a browser
[04:06] <synd> im thinking about venturing to it.
[04:06] <johnnybezak> nalioth: yeah, its much quicker than firefox though, thats why im using it (ive got an old laptop)
[04:06] <johnnybezak> kazekahase?
[04:06] <nalioth> johnnybezak: try galeon
[04:06] <synd> johnnybezak: you should look at dillo
[04:06] <nalioth> kazekahase is very much under developement
[04:06] <synd> johnnybezak: that shit flies
[04:06] <nalioth> johnnybezak: dillo is unable to render lots of things
[04:07] <synd> so!
[04:07] <nalioth> johnnybezak: try galeon as your browser
[04:07] <johnnybezak> synd: dillo hey...
[04:07] <[Spooky] > anyone here that have any tip in backing up dvds ?
[04:07] <johnnybezak> galeon ill have a look
[04:07] <synd> boo
[04:07] <kalenedrael> i saw that from a distance and i saw "dildo"
[04:07] <nalioth> [Spooky] : buy two?
[04:07] <Eighth> that's dirty :P
[04:07] <kalenedrael> and was like wtf
[04:07] <synd> heh
[04:07] <lleberg_> Yeah
[04:07] <[Spooky] > nalioth: w00t !? you think im ritch ? :)
[04:07] <kalenedrael> unfortunately in some of the other irc channels i visit that is a commonly used word
[04:07] <synd> yes dildo is avail in the apt
[04:07] <lleberg_> And i'm off extracting :)
[04:08] <lleberg_> thank you guys!
[04:08] <kalenedrael> because of some asshat
[04:08] <johnnybezak> who makes dillo
[04:08] <thechitowncubs> damn, i can't get the nvidia drivers to install
[04:08] <synd> dillo.org
[04:08] <thechitowncubs> anyone know if backports is going to supply it or is the official repo going to have it?
[04:09] <lleberg_> Woho! it works!
[04:09] <lleberg_> *movie*
[04:10] <nalioth> lleberg_: pR0n? :0
[04:10] <Anubis> thechitowncubs, just use the download from nvidia
[04:11] <synd> damn i hate the way your ass feels after sitting on your wallet for extended amts of time
[04:11] <kalenedrael> downloading nvidia drivers straight from nvidia is usually the best option
[04:11] <kalenedrael> ...
[04:11] <nalioth> synd: you have money?
[04:12] <synd> of course
[04:12] <Anubis> download ot any dir
[04:12] <nalioth> wow, send me some please
[04:12] <Anubis> chmod a+x filename
[04:12] <synd> i use money as toilet paper
[04:12] <Anubis> then sudo ./NVIDAIfoo
[04:12] <lleberg_> nalioth: No, Universe II, a extreme-unicycling video :)
[04:12] <Anubis> make sure you have kernel headers
[04:13] <nalioth> lleberg_: exteme unicycling? like from a parachute into the shark-filled-ocean miles away from land?
[04:13] <nalioth> synd: please flush some this way, it can be washed
[04:14] <lleberg_> nalioth: like any skateboarding och snowboarding viedo, only on unicycle
[04:14] <GammaRay> what option to diff produces +'s and -'s instead of <'s and >'s?
[04:14] <nalioth> lleberg_: no sharks?
[04:14] <nalioth> lleberg_: no parachutes?
[04:14] <nalioth> darn!
[04:14] <synd> damn 99% of the songs i download from the limewire network are not messed up, but when i *really* want a certain song, its fckin messed up
[04:14] <lleberg_> nalioth: http://www.sykoproductions.com/U2trailer.mov
[04:14] <lleberg_> there you have the traier :)
[04:15] <lleberg_> trailer
[04:15] <nalioth> lleberg_: i'm just messin with ya, bud! :)
[04:15] <synd> nalioth: i have a friend that puts all the money he gets into the washing machine
[04:15] <nalioth> lleberg_: fixin to pull yer leg agin
[04:15] <Anubis> synd, gtk-gnutella searches more specifically
[04:15] <Anubis> by shrn
[04:16] <synd> Anubis: i use my macs to download :p
[04:16] <nalioth> synd: we call that "obsessive-compulsive" (unless he finds it in porta-potties)
[04:16] <nalioth> synd: fink.sourceforge.net can supply you gtk-gnutella
[04:16] <synd> :d
[04:17] <synd> it gets 99.9% of the songs i search for
[04:17] <lleberg_> nalioth: you should watch the trailer :P
[04:17] <transgress> i hear gentoo for osx is more updated than fink...
[04:17] <Anubis> synd, what deos that mean?
[04:17] <disquiet> hello boys (and hopefully a girl or two)
[04:18] <johnnybezak> fink is pretty comprehensive
[04:18] <goldfish> hi disquiet
[04:18] <disquiet> hi golfish
[04:18] <nalioth> lleberg_: sorry, i'm more into extreme team sheet wrinkling
[04:18] <disquiet> I need... uh... some weird support
[04:18] <synd> Anubis: cabos?
[04:18] <disquiet> Like going to AA or something
[04:19] <synd> Anubis: http://cabos.sourceforge.jp/
[04:19] <nalioth> transgress: i've never had any luck with portage for OSX. never found anything useful in it
[04:19] <disquiet> I am totally linux-overwhelmed.
[04:19] <johnnybezak> disquiet: whats the problem?
[04:19] <transgress> nalioth: really?  eh well out of my area since i own no mac
[04:19] <transgress> disquiet: newb?  i have some great start up howtos for linux
[04:19] <nalioth> transgress: yes, there is fink, darwinports and portage (portage is newest)
[04:19] <disquiet> A friend talked me into switching from windows because 1, he thought I'd like it and 2, he thought the number of decently attractive females using linux needed to be increased
[04:20] <transgress> yar i know.  i was looking into them when i was gonna get an ibook
[04:20] <johnnybezak> disquiet: lol
[04:20] <disquiet> I've had it for about a week now, haven't had a chance to do much, but switching back to windows is way tempting
[04:20] <transgress> disquiet: woot!  female!
[04:20] <disquiet> haha
[04:20] <nalioth> transgress: fink and darwinports 98% mirror each other, but portage has empty cupboards (if ya ask me)
[04:20] <disquiet> No seriously
[04:20] <johnnybezak> disquiet: how come?
[04:20] <synd> disquiet: stick with it
[04:20] <transgress> disquiet: http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/  check that out.  it's good stuff
[04:20] <disquiet> I feel like I'm too stupid to every figure out how to muddle through now that my computer doesn't hold my hand anymore
[04:21] <johnnybezak> are you using ubuntu?
[04:21] <disquiet> Yes
[04:21] <dooglus> Xyc0: Windows used to hold your hand?  I never found it very friendly.
[04:21] <synd> disquiet: it happens to most users from Windows
[04:21] <transgress> disquiet: i promise it's not so hard... in fact it's a lot harder to learn how to really use windows... just gotta get the hang of the change.
[04:21] <johnnybezak> is there anything specifically that you have a problem with
[04:21] <nalioth> disquiet: it gets easier, because unlike windoze, once you learn it here, it doesnt change with the next release
[04:21] <disquiet> It's just really strange, everything is suddenly in an entire new language, even the help files and stuff I tried to read
[04:21] <chombee> Hello Ubuntu! I'm fitting up a really old machine for a small volunteer organisation here. The default Ubuntu setup runs too slowly so I want to try out xfce. I saw a guide in the forums about using some installers from oscillation. But xfce is in synaptic, is there a reason I can't just apt-get xfce4?
[04:21] <johnnybezak> hehe like man pages?
[04:21] <disquiet> And it seems like the onyl wya to learn it is to just keep plugging at it and messing around until eventually you understand
[04:21] <transgress> disquiet: go to the link i sent you... it is very basic and very good for newbishness
[04:21] <nalioth> guys, she is not understanding her new freedom
[04:22] <disquiet> transgress, but I GOT windows!
[04:22] <disquiet> thanks
[04:22] <nalioth> chombee: no reason at all. go get it
[04:22] <HaloGray> chombee, I just set up xfce4 on ubuntu :D  It wasn't so bad.
[04:22] <synd> thats what you think, disquiet
[04:22] <johnnybezak> chombee: fluxbox is a good alternative too
[04:22] <jind> chombee, in case apt-get; apt-get install xfce4
[04:22] <transgress> disquiet: it's kind of the same thing that happens to people when they switch from windows to mac... it's just a kind of culture shock
[04:22] <johnnybezak> chombee: i use it on my older lap top
[04:22] <lleberg_> Omg, thare is something strange with my cuefile for this movie
[04:22] <GammaRay> johnnybezak: to what? a good wm? :-P
[04:22] <ablyss> installign linux is the hardest part imho.. if you've gotten this far.. the rest is a breeze
[04:22] <lleberg_> it plays as it should, the sound is perfect
[04:22] <johnnybezak> GammaRay: heheh
[04:22] <disquiet> I'm almost tempting to pitch this computer out a window and get myself a shiny plastic mac
[04:22] <nalioth> disquiet: the linux user community is for hte most part, very informative and helpful (web pages, irc, etc)
[04:23] <synd> disquiet: do it do it!
[04:23] <transgress> disquiet: mac OSX is based on Unix as well as linux
[04:23] <lleberg_> But.. the clock says it's 9:36 long, and it's 36 minutes long
[04:23] <disquiet> ablyss, I installed it all by MYSELF. where's my cookie?
[04:23] <HaloGray> chombee, you may have to enable universe in /etc/apt/sources.list  there are 2 lines there for universe packages.
[04:23] <lleberg_> so the secongds is.. really long! :D
[04:23] <disquiet> naloith, I have noticed that
[04:23] <lleberg_> why is this?
[04:23] <johnnybezak> disquiet: linux will put you in good stead for os x too
[04:23] <synd> disquiet: but youll be in the same boat with Mac OS
[04:23] <nalioth> disquiet: a mac so you can put linux on it? (i did)
[04:23] <disquiet> you get very little RTFM here
[04:23] <chombee> cool - thanks everyone, I'll give it a try! I know about fluxbox and might try it, icewm and windowmaker ando thers too, but xfce looks the prettiest and most user friendly which is a requirement
[04:23] <transgress> disquiet: RTFM is ##slackware
[04:23] <HaloGray> chombee, It might be better for you to start from a server install.
[04:23] <johnnybezak> chombee: yeah roger that
[04:24] <disquiet> It just seems like everytime I run into something I can't figure out, I try something else and can't figure that out...
[04:24] <HaloGray> chombee, just type server at the boot option off your install cd.  It will give you the very basic set up.
[04:24] <nalioth> disquiet: you get a big cookie cuz installing linux is the hairiest part
[04:24] <synd> disquiet: youre in the same boat as my ex (yes ex : )) girlfriend
[04:24] <disquiet> and It's really frustrating because I'm VERY computer picky, I'm sure you all understand
[04:24] <ablyss> cookies what cookies? <gulp>
[04:24] <disquiet> I need everything to be JUST SO
[04:24] <disquiet> and It's like starting all over with a new computer, it's going to take me ages to get it all how I want, especially since I don't UNDERSTAND
[04:24] <nalioth> disquiet: may i suggest galeon web browser. the start page there points to several helpful links including hellp files ON YOUR OWN SYSTEM
[04:24] <johnnybezak> disquiet: linux is bloody confusing at the start, but once you get the hang of it its great. theres so much cool stuff you can do
[04:24] <disquiet> synd, was that a hint that you're single? ;-)
[04:24] <transgress> disquiet: i promise it's more like that than you think... when you discover how easy it is to control stuff... looks, software, etc you will love it.
[04:25] <Madpilot> disquiet: once you get comfortable you'll have fun, I think. Ubuntu can be tweaked a lot more than WinXP...
[04:25] <synd> disquiet: perhaps :D
[04:25] <disquiet> nalioth - I'm a browser nazi
[04:25] <disquiet> There is only one I will use, for a ridiculous reaosn
[04:25] <disquiet> but I'm set in my ways
[04:25] <ablyss> linux is bloody confusing even after you *think* you got the hang of it ;
[04:25] <synd> disquiet: firefox?
[04:25] <HaloGray> chombee, from there you'll have to type sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get install xserver-base then sudo apt-get install xfce4 then sudo apt-get install xdm
[04:25] <transgress> trying to get a hookup in irc is about like looking up porn in lynx... most of the time it's not gonna work out right.
[04:25] <disquiet> johnnybezak, that's the kind of stuff I need to hear, I'm wavering in my linux commitment at the moment
[04:25] <HaloGray> chombee, then reboot and you should be all set.
[04:25] <disquiet> Madpilot, that's why my friend thought I would like it
[04:25] <nalioth> disquiet: well, use the galeon for finding your program docs on your puter at least (or point your fav browser at /usr/share/docs/)
[04:25] <disquiet> synd - OPERA
[04:26] <transgress> AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH don't say that name here
[04:26] <synd> disquiet: opera!
[04:26] <ablyss> transgress, tell that to my now 2 year long room mate I met on IRC she lived in cali and moved to Ga with me
[04:26] <Madpilot> disquiet: Opera - cool!
[04:26] <disquiet> that's right, want to make something of it!
[04:26] <johnnybezak> disquiet: no its great you can try all different gui's run cool new programs theres just always new cool exciting software to try out
[04:26] <benplaut> i have about $150 worth of Borders gift cards after my Bar Mitzvah. Any manuals/desk refereces i should buy?
[04:26] <Madpilot> Opera makes a Ubuntu package now, too
[04:26] <transgress> ablyss: i said most of the time... some people like ASCII pr0n
[04:26] <disquiet> I'm 5'2" of PURE EVIL, i will totally e-fight you
[04:26] <Anubis> http://sourceforge.jp/forum/forum.php?thread_id=7399&forum_id=5768
[04:26] <transgress> i'm 6'1" of mostly pure love.
[04:26] <chombee> HaloGray - thanks. I'm going to try adding wm's to the default install, then when I find a suitable one I will server install and use it
[04:26] <Anubis> Sorry, Linux port is not planed. I don't have Linux environment.
[04:26] <Anubis> But Cabos is open source. And Cabos Linux port is possible. I wish someone make it.
[04:27] <disquiet> hahaha transgress
[04:27] <ablyss> transgress, i dont even think most of the time ... in all my 5 years of IRC... only nice ladies
[04:27] <nalioth> transgress: you will melt in the rain
[04:27] <canllaith> Hi there! I'm trying out ubuntu on a spare laptop to give it a go... and I'm currently downloading some stuff through apt. I notice it's coming from nz.archive.ubuntu.com.. I'm wondering if there is a New Zealand mirror it's putting from?
[04:27] <Anubis> why use this instead?
[04:27] <transgress> nalioth: i dance in the rain.
[04:27] <Anubis> no frontend?
[04:27] <disquiet> That's ANOTHER problem with the switch to linux
[04:27] <synd> Anubis: ?
[04:27] <disquiet> I have no porn
[04:27] <synd> disquiet: wow
[04:27] <Amaranth> canllaith: If it says nz then it's coming from a new zealand mirror, yes.
[04:27] <nalioth> disquiet: what?
[04:27] <synd> a girl who watches porn and linux
[04:27] <nalioth> disquiet: the newsgroups are the same
[04:27] <disquiet> I'm on a campus network, and I have always used DC++
[04:27] <transgress> disquiet: that's what bittorrent is for.
[04:27] <disquiet> I can't get dc gui to work right now
[04:28] <synd> disquiet: i dont believe youre a girl
[04:28] <disquiet> synd, I am
[04:28] <canllaith> Amaranth, excellent, that's great to hear. National traffic is much cheaper than international for me so that's a definite ++ to using ubuntu here :)
[04:28] <disquiet> Ask me something only a girl would know ;-)
[04:28] <nalioth> synd: the evidence is confusing, eh?
[04:28] <HaloGray> send nude photos for proof :P
[04:28] <ajmitch> canllaith: well, I don't know if it really is in NZ
[04:28] <transgress> screw dc++ ... bittorrent!  all my porn needs are satisfied.
[04:28] <synd> nalioth: totally!
[04:28] <canllaith> ajmitch, I'll look at my traffic logs I guess
[04:28] <disquiet> HaloGray, I'll send my e-foot to your e-ball, your impertinent boy
[04:28] <synd> wow
[04:28] <synd> QUTD
[04:29] <HaloGray> just 1? :P  I was kidding.  I'm going to stop being a cock now.
[04:29] <disquiet> Can't you just be respectful? Something like, "Disquiet, we naturally are suspicious of your claims. May we please see a picture?"
[04:29] <disquiet> Sheesh.
[04:29] <ajmitch> canllaith: thankfully I'm still on a flatrate plan, but traceroute shows it as not-NZ
[04:29] <ajmitch> HaloGray: please do stop :)
[04:29] <disquiet> transgress - I have never used bittorrent
[04:30] <johnnybezak> what dc client do you use?
[04:30] <transgress> disquiet: get java, get azureus, get pr0n
[04:30] <disquiet> well, I wanted to use valknut but I couldn't
[04:30] <synd> disquiet: honestly, i have just been using linux/ubuntu for maybe 3 months now. this chan, ubuntuguide.org, and the ubuntu wiki have made it possible
[04:30] <disquiet> so dc gui, I think it's called?
[04:30] <disquiet> synd - I have to say I was SO surprised about how nice everyone is here
[04:30] <Amaranth> canllaith: Actually, the IP for nz.archive.ubuntu.com says it's in the UK. :/
[04:30] <disquiet> seems to be the way of most linux users, they want you in the fold
[04:30] <johnnybezak> disquiet: have you tried any other clients?
[04:31] <nalioth> ablyss: cheesecake? or an actual baked good?
[04:31] <ablyss> i have apache 2 setup with postgresql, php, python ( broke for some reason ) and perl.. im ready to serve some http baby !
[04:31] <Th4tBa5t4rd> anyone know the kernel source path for Hoary 64?
[04:31] <disquiet> johnnybezak - no, not yet... I'm having a strange problem with the one I've got
[04:31] <unperson> Anyone here tried the Firefox extensions for del.icio.us?  I'm interested if people have favorites and why?
[04:31] <ablyss> nalioth, just a slice of real cheese cake
[04:31] <johnnybezak> disquiet: what does it do wrong?
[04:32] <disquiet> It won't let me add a shared folder, and the campus hub requires a minimum share
[04:32] <synd> disquiet: you can do all sorts of cool shit that was unheard of on windows though.. i just redesigned my desktop the other day.. it was cake. check it out http://photobucket.com/albums/v43/pmartin245/?action=view&current=6c004d9c.jpg : )
[04:32] <disquiet> So I can't get on the hub I want to be on at all
[04:33] <nalioth> ablyss: ah thought your were looking at pinups
[04:33] <Th4tBa5t4rd> like that Synd
[04:33] <ablyss> nice screenshot synd
[04:33] <synd> gracias
[04:33] <Amaranth> if we're showing off screenshots....
[04:34] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/megatokyo.png
[04:34] <synd> go away Amaranth!
[04:34] <benplaut> sparr_: it doesn't cost anything to be nicer
[04:34] <synd> ;P
[04:34] <ablyss> here's my boring screenshot ( its sort of old but using the latest Ubuntu :-)
[04:34] <Th4tBa5t4rd> Having crap sound in Xmms, thinking about trying the nvidia chipset drivers for my Nforce3 board. but the drivers need the kernel source path...any takers?
[04:34] <egg> Hi all
[04:34] <transgress> ablyss: you mean latest stable?
[04:34] <benplaut> woops, wrong channel
[04:34] <ablyss> transgress, yes
[04:34] <egg> ^_____^
[04:34] <HaloGray> Th4tBa5t4rd, Are you asking how to get the kernel source?
[04:35] <nalioth> Amaranth: think we're doin a mating dance or ritual
[04:35] <egg> kernel.org?
[04:35] <ablyss> hi egg
[04:35] <Th4tBa5t4rd> yes, is it under /usr/src?
[04:35] <HaloGray> Th4tBa5t4rd, If so, just use synaptic or apt-get to grab linux-headers for your existing kernel
[04:35] <egg> hi
[04:35] <synd> nalioth: already 1 step ahead of you
[04:35] <disquiet> synd, your desktop is prettier than mine.
[04:35] <Th4tBa5t4rd> i see
[04:35] <HaloGray> Th4tBa5t4rd, It will then be put into /usr/src I think.
[04:35] <johnnybe1ak> back again
[04:36] <HaloGray> Th4tBa5t4rd, Yes, it will be put into /usr/src
[04:36] <Th4tBa5t4rd> thanks, HaloGray
[04:36] <egg> let us see
[04:36] <HaloGray> Th4tBa5t4rd, No problem :)
[04:37] <dooglus> disquiet: what's the problem with adding shared directories to the dcgui?
[04:37] <kalenedrael> it should be in /lib/modules/kernel-version/build, right?
[04:37] <Th4tBa5t4rd> amagad, forever with the "gimme the Hoary CD"
[04:37] <simprix> How can I enable the splash screen in ubuntu
[04:37] <raDeon> hahahahahah "HOARY"
[04:37] <synd> disquiet: i suppose you have the default gnome desktop ?
[04:37] <disquiet> dooglus - well, I think I've added it. I go into the shared menu and whatnot, and click the plus sign. The window pops up, I find the folder I want, click 'ok' or whatever, and the window doesn't go away
[04:38] <disquiet> I close it, and the folder I added vanishes from the list
[04:38] <disquiet> and the hub gives me the minimum share message
[04:38] <nalioth> disquiet: bittorrent
[04:38] <raDeon> MY SWEET REVENGE WILL BE YOURS FOR THE TAKING
[04:38] <nalioth> disquiet: better pR0n via torrents
[04:38] <HaloGray> Question : Anything remotely similar to foobar for linux?
[04:38] <disquiet> nalioth, the hub isn't only for feeding my porn needs
[04:38] <dooglus> nalioth: dcgui supports torrent downloading too
[04:39] <HaloGray> I love that audio player oh so much... Amorak is too much like itunes and xmms is just sort of 'eh'
[04:39] <disquiet> All my nerd pals are in that little box!
[04:39] <synd> HaloGray: iTunes owns you
[04:39] <nalioth> dooglus: really?
[04:39] <HaloGray> I hate that program.
[04:39] <BrettMeister> Just installed Hoary 5.04, x server probs, won't get to the gnome login
[04:39] <simprix> How can I stop services in ubuntu is there a easier way then deleting it from /etc/rc.d
[04:39] <synd> dont get me started
[04:39] <nalioth> disquiet: i have been windows free over 4 years
[04:39] <nalioth> disquiet: except for high paying client requests
[04:40] <HaloGray> BrettMeister, What's the error if any?
[04:40] <dooglus> nalioth: yup
[04:40] <disquiet> nalioth - I must continue using windows at work
[04:40] <BrettMeister> Not sure....can you give me some ideas on what to look for when I look at that diagnostic screen that it gives when X won't start?
[04:40] <synd> yay a new screenshot: http://photobucket.com/albums/v43/pmartin245/?action=view&current=7f80b5ef.jpg
[04:40] <synd> which do you guys like better
[04:41] <ablyss> sudo /etc/init.d/<server> stop
[04:41] <nalioth> disquiet: well, i build boxen, so thats "work"
[04:41] <HaloGray> BrettMeister, did you do a server install by chance?
[04:41] <dooglus> disquiet: it doesn't go away when you click ok, but it adds the directory.  you can move somewhere else and click 'ok' again...  click 'cancel' when you've added all the places you want to share.
[04:41] <disquiet> nalioth - so does the company i work for
[04:41] <dooglus> disquiet: it's not a good interface, granted.  'cancel' isn't what that button does at all
[04:41] <ablyss> simprix, you can type: sudo /etc/init.d/<server> stop
[04:41] <BrettMeister> HaloGray: Nope.  ISO disk.  MD summed.
[04:41] <simprix> that doesn't stop for reboots
[04:41] <TheRabbit> I was trying to install something, it it said I needed a C compiler, so I downloaded the Intel non commercial one, and I can't install it
[04:41] <disquiet> dooglus, I think I've done that... the folder doesn't stay on the list
[04:42] <HaloGray> BrettMeister, right, but one of the options is to type 'server' on install and it gives the bare minimum install.
[04:42] <nalioth> TheRabbit: try installing "build-essential"
[04:42] <dooglus> disquiet: is the parent of the folder on the list?
[04:42] <BrettMeister> HaloGray: Full install.
[04:42] <HaloGray> BrettMeister, what happens when you type /etc/init.d/gdm start  ?
[04:42] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, you there?
[04:42] <BockBilbo> i have 2 question
[04:42] <BockBilbo> s
[04:42] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: yeah
[04:42] <ablyss> simprix, i use webmin to edit what ubuntu starts and stops at boot and shutdown
[04:42] <BockBilbo> the first one is...
[04:42] <disquiet> dooglus - I would answer you, but I fear I would reveal entirely too much ignorance
[04:42] <BockBilbo> see... ive done the script
[04:43] <NTolerance> does anyone here have an Orinoco wireless card?
[04:43] <BrettMeister> HaloGray: The error screen right now says that it cannot start the x server....not set up correctly.....etc.
[04:43] <dooglus> disquiet: the parent of a directory is the directory which contains it.
[04:43] <BockBilbo> but it happens that it executes the program stoping the init of the system
[04:43] <dooglus> the parent of /home/disquiet/pr0n is /home/disquiet for example
[04:43] <ablyss> i found the webmin download off the webmind offical site works better than ubuntos pre-selected version in synaptic
[04:43] <BockBilbo> cause its an overnet server
[04:43] <BrettMeister> HaloGray: I'm looking at the output now.  What should I look for?
[04:43] <synd> its time for a bologna sandwich and a glass of milk
[04:44] <HaloGray> I'm not sure honestly :(  Hope somebody else can take it from here.
[04:44] <Madpilot> later, all.. off to inflict SW3 on myself, because I'm a lemming sometimes... :)
[04:44] <disquiet> Oh
[04:44] <BockBilbo> is there a command to start a program in background?
[04:44] <disquiet> Ok, well, I don't know, there's nothing in it
[04:44] <sysrq> BockBilbo: program &
[04:44] <dooglus> BockBilbo: just put a & at the end of the command.  or hit Alt-F2
[04:44] <nalioth> TheRabbit: the pkg is available via apt-get
[04:44] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: command&
[04:44] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: the & makes it run in the background
[04:44] <BockBilbo> mm interesting
[04:44] <BockBilbo> let me try
[04:44] <BrettMeister> Can somebody give me some ideas here.  X server is not starting up on bootup.  Looking at the error output screen now.
[04:44] <TheRabbit> Forgive my ignorance, but what's apt-get?
[04:45] <synd> TheRabbit: its what Add-Remove programs on Win shoulda been
[04:45] <dooglus> BockBilbo: alternatively, "program > logfile & root-tail logfile" will really run it in the background - the desktop background
[04:45] <dooglus> TheRabbit: apt-get is for installing packages from the command line
[04:45] <BrettMeister> TheRabbit: It's the command line base for the Synaptics program that you use.
[04:46] <BockBilbo> so
[04:46] <BockBilbo> if the program i run
[04:46] <BockBilbo> is
[04:46] <BrettMeister> Any ideas anyone on my x server prob?
[04:46] <synd> rather, Synaptic Package Mgr is what Add/Remove Programs shoulda been :d
[04:46] <BockBilbo> overnetclc -g
[04:46] <BockBilbo> should i put
[04:46] <dooglus> BockBilbo: overnetclc -g &
[04:46] <BockBilbo> overnetclc -g &
[04:46] <BockBilbo> i see
[04:46] <BockBilbo> lets reboot to see what happens
[04:47] <BockBilbo> one sec
[04:47] <dooglus> BockBilbo: the output will still go to the terminal, possibly getting in the way of whatever you do next in that terminal
[04:47] <Th4tBa5t4rd> bah...
[04:47] <imaek> Does anybody know how to start ET using ESD?
[04:47] <dooglus> do overnetclc -g > logfile.txt & if you want to capture the output to a file
[04:47] <jind> How do I set up my screen card to let xrandr choose between different refresh rates? I can only choose 85Hz for all resolutions and I want 60Hz in one because of a tv
[04:47] <BockBilbo> dooglus, perhaps thats what im afraid of
[04:47] <sysrq> imaek: ET, assuming you mean the game enemy territory, uses OSS
[04:47] <sbcl3> does anyone here use tilp?
[04:48] <ablyss> never heard of it sorry
[04:48] <sysrq> imaek: but if you are using alsa with OSS emulation, it will work fine
[04:48] <dooglus> BockBilbo: there are 2 types of output too - you might want to redirect the errors as well, like this:   overnetclc -g > logfile.txt 2>&1 &
[04:48] <imaek> Yes, sysrq.  But the only thing that my system allows seems to be ESD.
[04:48] <dooglus> BockBilbo: then you'll not be bothered by any output at all
[04:48] <sysrq> imaek: I kinda doubt that as there has to be something at the driver level, most likely alsa
[04:48] <BockBilbo> aha
[04:48] <BockBilbo> the output of the program is the server log
[04:49] <dooglus> BockBilbo: the command I typed will put all the output into a file called logfile.txt in the current directory
[04:49] <dooglus> (assuming the output normally appears in the terminal window)
[04:49] <imaek> sysrq: do you know how I can make alsa work?
[04:49] <imaek> or oss?
[04:50] <sysrq> imaek: if the modules are loaded, it might be as simple as unmuting the right channels and raising the levels. Try running alsamixer
[04:50] <sbcl3> can you adjust oss in the termina?
[04:50] <sbcl3> *terminal
[04:51] <BockBilbo> dooglus, perhaps, i think i should use that command... cause now the program went to the background
[04:51] <BockBilbo> but it keeps showing multiple > characters on tty1
[04:51] <dooglus> imaek: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly did it for me
[04:51] <BrettMeister> Even when I type /etc/init.d/gdm start it says that the Gnome display manager has failed.  Ideas?
[04:52] <dooglus> BockBilbo: if you don't want the output at all, not even in a file, replace logfile.txt with /dev/null in the command
[04:52] <dooglus> anything you send to /dev/null vanishes without a trace
[04:52] <BockBilbo> aha
[04:52] <BockBilbo> so  overnetclc -g > /dev/null 2>&1 & ?
[04:52] <dooglus> yup
[04:52] <dooglus> look:
[04:52] <dooglus> $ echo hello > logfile.txt; cat logfile.txt
[04:52] <dooglus> hello
[04:53] <dooglus> but: echo hello > /dev/null; cat /dev/null
[04:53] <dooglus> shows nothing
[04:53] <nalioth> dooglus: not really, but its ghost is really hard to find
[04:53] <dooglus> nalioth: it stays around somewhere?  really?
[04:53] <BockBilbo> trying the log option first
[04:53] <BockBilbo> im rebooting
[04:54] <nalioth> dooglus: unless you run the program called
[04:54] <dooglus> rebooting?
[04:54] <nalioth> its around
[04:54] <dooglus> why?
[04:54] <jind> ruben@ras:~$ xrandr
[04:54] <jind>  SZ:    Pixels          Physical       Refresh
[04:54] <jind>  0   1024 x 768    ( 372mm x 271mm )   85
[04:54] <jind> *1    800 x 600    ( 372mm x 271mm )  *85
[04:54] <jind>  2    640 x 480    ( 372mm x 271mm )   85
[04:54] <jind> How can I fix 60Hz in 640x480 mode?
[04:54] <dooglus> nalioth: the program called... what?
[04:55] <jind> Can anybody tip med in the right direction? :-)
[04:55] <nalioth> dooglus: check your msg window
[04:55] <dooglus> ooh.
[04:55] <abarbaccia> hey - how do i cahgne the default app to use to open a certain filetype in gnome?
[04:55] <dooglus> nalioth: I'm not talking about erasing files.
[04:55] <BockBilbo> dooglus, welll cause im not feeling in the mod of changing of run level
[04:55] <BockBilbo> :S
[04:55] <BockBilbo> lol
[04:55] <dooglus> I'm talking about stuff that gets written to /dev/null
[04:55] <BockBilbo> oh dooglus yeah
[04:56] <BockBilbo> but im rebooting to try it aplyed on my init script
[04:58] <synd|away> disquiet: hows it coming?
[04:58] <disquiet> i got involved in telling a friend about the wench who BACKED into my CAR today. Women drivers. Geeze.
[04:58] <synd> tell me about i
[04:58] <synd> t
[04:59] <BockBilbo> my other question was about how to dissable the x server
[04:59] <BockBilbo> so the system just boots into command line
[04:59] <synd> they seem to be looking an any other direction other than the way the car is moving ;x
[04:59] <BockBilbo> ... i knew how to do that.. but i forgot about it
[04:59] <synd> an- in
[04:59] <random> I just installed Ubuntu Hoary on my computer, and my Creative Soundblaster (I'm pretty sure) was not auto-detected.  Is there anything that I can do, aside from replacing the hardware?
[05:00] <goldfish> BockBilbo: change the default run level maybe?
[05:00] <disquiet> synd, i was at a red light, left turn lane. She was in front of me. She was too far out when the light turned red so she backed up a bit. So we're waiting for the green, and I notice her back up lights were still on.
[05:00] <disquiet> And I KNEW. But there was nowhere for me to go.
[05:00] <disquiet> So I put my thumb on the horn in preparation, and stood on the break and waited
[05:00] <BockBilbo> goldfish, i think there was another easier solution
[05:01] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, do you know how to do that?
[05:01] <disquiet> Sure enough, she hit the gas when the light turned green and backed into my car
[05:01] <synd> disquiet: wow
[05:01] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: No idea.
[05:01] <BockBilbo> tritium told me about it last time
[05:01] <disquiet> I was out of that car with lightning quickness
[05:01] <disquiet> She's lucky she spoke first and I'm too polite to inturrupt
[05:01] <nalioth> tongue-tied or finger-tied..hmmm synd?
[05:01] <disquiet> Because the stuff that would have come flying out of my mouth... oh god.
[05:01] <jind> BockBilbo, rm /etc/rc2.d/S13gdm
[05:01] <jind> Done
[05:02] <disquiet> Especially when she accused ME of being too CLOSE.
[05:02] <synd> nalioth: both : X
[05:02] <disquiet> WOMAN! YOU BACKED UP AT A GREEN LIGHT!
[05:02] <BockBilbo> thanks jind
[05:02] <synd> disquiet: she accused you?
[05:02] <synd> thats nuts
[05:02] <disquiet> she said "Oh no, I'm so sorry, ubt you were so close behind me..."
[05:02] <nalioth> had a woman in dt houston last week that backed into me at a green light
[05:02] <nalioth> for no apparent reason
[05:02] <disquiet> The gods were smiling on me, though, because at the same time I got out, the guy next to me did too, I guess he was watching too
[05:03] <disquiet> And he was an off duty cop
[05:03] <jind> BockBilbo, but for the running session you will have to shut down the gdm daemon too. "sudo /etc/inid.d/gdm stop" takes care of that
[05:03] <synd> disquiet: oh man, that was nice
[05:03] <disquiet> Her car was tore up, but not a mark on mine. But I DID bite my TONGUE and wrench my back. It was quite a thud.
[05:03] <synd> disquiet: i see. SUV?
[05:03] <BockBilbo> thanks jind
[05:04] <disquiet> an altima
[05:04] <disquiet> looked shiny and new
[05:04] <synd> as long as it wasnt a bmw : )
[05:04] <disquiet> no match for the accord I inhereited from daddy, apparently.
[05:04] <synd> heh.
[05:04] <syntaxman> I need libavcodec2 for mplayer, but it's not installable... Am I just missing a source line in sources.list?
[05:04] <disquiet> she was saying 'oh, look at my car, I need to get your insurance info!'
[05:04] <disquiet> and I said oh hell no, this is NOT going on my insurance, I have no damage
[05:05] <nalioth> syntaxman: you may have to build it
[05:05] <synd> disquiet: lol what a stupid woman
[05:05] <disquiet> damn women.
[05:05] <synd> disquiet: what did the cop do?
[05:05] <disquiet> he put her in her place :-D
[05:05] <disquiet> And sent me on my way
[05:05] <kalenedrael> haha
[05:05] <disquiet> He said 'ma'am, this was clearly your fault, there is no need to bring this young lady's insurance into it.'
[05:06] <synd> cant argue with that
[05:06] <nemik> if[somecondition] ; then curl http://www.mydomain.com/myphp.php?message=$2 echo "handler successful" fi
[05:06] <nemik> is that legal
[05:06] <nemik> for a shell script i am trying to use as an eventhandler
[05:06] <Varanger> has anyone tried MythTV ?
[05:07] <kalenedrael> nemik, that looks suspicious
[05:07] <kalenedrael> as in, doesn't look functional
[05:07] <nemik> hehe i figured it is my very first attempt
[05:08] <ablyss> if [ "some condition" ] ; then curl "http://blab?="$2" ; echo "blah" ; fi
[05:08] <kalenedrael> are you trying to set the variable 2 as the output of curl www.somedomain.com?
[05:08] <Varanger> how can I see .djvu files?
[05:08] <bluefoxicy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Right-hand-dvorak-keyboard.png
[05:08] <bluefoxicy> I want this keymap.
[05:08] <nemik> kalenedrael, yes i want $2 to be that
[05:08] <nalioth> Varanger: open em in a text editor?
[05:08] <johnnybe1ak> Varanger: try typing apropos djvu
[05:09] <kalenedrael> 2=`curl http://somedomain.com`
[05:09] <nemik> oh no no
[05:10] <nemik> i want the $2 (which is a var) to be passed as a php variable through the URL
[05:10] <bluefoxicy> dvorak-r
[05:10] <nemik> like this.php?id=5 and $id in that php file would be 5
[05:10] <kalenedrael> oh
[05:10] <kalenedrael> i get it
[05:11] <kalenedrael> you don't need the quotes
[05:11] <nemik> $2 is a variable passed by the program to that event handler
[05:11] <nemik> so curl ""http://blab?=$2" ;
[05:11] <kalenedrael> you know how to use the "test" command, right?
[05:11] <nemik> no i don't know anything
[05:11] <nemik> i know php and mysql well, but i just installed linux a few days ago and running it first time. didn't even know what root was!
[05:12] <nemik> i'm, how you say, hella lame ;)
[05:12] <kalenedrael> ok, well, what is the condition?
[05:12] <Varanger> johnnybelak: I get : "file appropriae"
[05:13] <Varanger> johnnybelak: I get : "file: nothing appropriate"
[05:13] <nemik> if [ "$1" != "recieved"] 
[05:13] <nemik> doh!
[05:13] <nemik> should be == (shell does use == for camparison, right?)
[05:14] <sproingie> hey i have a newb question.  how do i apply a kernel patch that i got from apt?
[05:14] <ablyss> #bash is a nice channel to learn about linux shell
[05:14] <nemik> yes i was in bash but it is pretty empty
[05:14] <kalenedrael> if <some condition>; then curl "http://somedomain.com/index.php?something=$2"
[05:14] <nemik> wait so < not [ ?
[05:14] <kalenedrael> ; echo "handler successful"; done
[05:14] <kalenedrael> no, [ is a command
[05:14] <nemik> done? not fi ?
[05:14] <sproingie> nemik: no those are metasyntactic
[05:14] <kalenedrael> er, fi
[05:15] <kalenedrael> gah, i am messing up
[05:15] <nemik> ahh ok
[05:15] <nemik> hehe my influence ;)
[05:15] <ablyss> that's not correct [ is not a command
[05:15] <nemik> thanks very much!
[05:15] <kalenedrael> if <some condition>; then curl "http://somedomain.com/index.php?something=$2"; echo "handler successful"; fi
[05:15] <sproingie> [ is actually a symbolic link to 'test'
[05:15] <kalenedrael> it is too a command
[05:15] <sproingie> it's just a program
[05:15] <nemik> so if "$1" == "RECEIVED"; then.....
[05:15] <kalenedrael> yes, commands are usually programs
[05:15] <sproingie> kalenedrael: unless they're builtins
[05:16] <nemik> ahhh ok, great!
[05:16] <kalenedrael> nemik, no...
[05:16] <kalenedrael> you need the [] 
[05:16] <sproingie> note that you also need a SPACE after the [
[05:16] <sproingie> that used to get me all the time
[05:16] <kalenedrael> if [ "$1 == "RECEIVED" ] ; then
[05:16] <ablyss> "$1"
[05:16] <kalenedrael> yeah, that space is important
[05:16] <nemik> ahh ok! that is better. sorry guys. total noob but i learn fast
[05:17] <nemik> thanks a lot for all your help! giving it another whirl now
[05:17] <kalenedrael> right, it's "$1"
[05:17] <kalenedrael> everyone was once a noob...
[05:17] <sproingie> quid pro quo clarice ... anyone know how to apply a debian kernel patch?  i'm not used to applying patches
[05:17] <ablyss> [[ $1 == received ] ]  && curl http://blah?$2 && echo True
[05:17] <TheRabbit> Ok, I seem to have given away my Ubuntu CD, and when I ran "install build-essential" it asks for it
[05:17] <sproingie> do i just run the 'apply' script in the patch subdir?
[05:18] <kalenedrael> or that, ablyss
[05:18] <ablyss> bash if fun <sigh>
[05:18] <ablyss> if/is
[05:18] <sproingie> one idiom you see a lot is "if [ x$foo = x ] "
[05:18] <sproingie> autoconf uses it
[05:19] <opirg> Hello again Ubuntu! So I installed xfce on my slow machine. Pretty nice how that works. It seems a little faster than Gnome. Will I get a further speed increase if I do a server install than apt-get xfce? I have plenty of disc space, so not sure if reinstalling is worthwhile
[05:19] <sproingie> some versions of test are braindead about empty arg lists
[05:19] <nemik> sproingie, = or ==?
[05:19] <Jet2k5> what the hell is wrong with ubuntu guys?
[05:19] <sproingie> nemik: =, i believe
[05:19] <sproingie> nemik: test has its own syntax
[05:19] <ablyss> ==
[05:19] <sproingie> they both work, no?
[05:19] <Jet2k5> I have the w32codecs and I still cant play a damn freaking .wmv video
[05:19] <nemik> hmmm discrepencies here...i'll try ==
[05:20] <ablyss> probably.. but i tend to use ==
[05:20] <sproingie> use ==
[05:20] <nemik> ok
[05:20] <Amaranth> Jet2k5: w32codecs is _illegal_, you expect it to work with no hassles?
[05:20] <Jet2k5> umm Amaranth yeah
[05:20] <ablyss> wmv 10 media is has encypted headers
[05:20] <Jet2k5> so what?
[05:20] <Jet2k5> use linux and you can't play .wmv
[05:20] <sproingie> oh ballocks
[05:20] <kalenedrael> what the fuck
[05:20] <^thehatsrule^> w32codecs is legal...
[05:20] <ablyss> can play wmv 9 and lower
[05:20] <sproingie> wmv is a metaformat
[05:20] <Amaranth> i don't run in to any wmv
[05:21] <Jet2k5> umm it's actually the first distro that I've seen give me soo much problems about a codec
[05:21] <sproingie> some codecs you can't use, others are just fine
[05:21] <kalenedrael> fucking microsoft
[05:21] <Marble2> i can play wmv fine with w32codecs
[05:21] <Jet2k5> w32codecs are leagal
[05:21] <Amaranth> ^thehatsrule^: No it isn't. It's dll files from a windows install.
[05:21] <sproingie> i can get video, no audio
[05:21] <nalioth> kalenedrael: i'll second that motion
[05:21] <Jet2k5> Marble2: what other packages do you have?
[05:21] <Jet2k5> I can't play 1
[05:21] <^thehatsrule^> yea, so its legal if you own windows
[05:21] <kalenedrael> it's illegal to have win32 codecs on linux?
[05:21] <kalenedrael> fux
[05:21] <Jet2k5> totem says that there isn't a decoder for it
[05:21] <Amaranth> ^thehatsrule^: The license only allows use on windows.
[05:21] <Jet2k5> kalenedrael: no
[05:21] <Amaranth> Jet2k5: you have to use xine
[05:21] <Jet2k5> hmm
[05:21] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, i tried what you said about doing su USER; PROGRAM
[05:21] <Jet2k5> xine-ui?
[05:21] <Marble2> Jet2k5: I dunno... totem-xine plays wmv fine for me
[05:22] <Jet2k5> heh
[05:22] <Amaranth> Jet2k5: or totem-xine
[05:22] <Jet2k5> well ok
[05:22] <Jet2k5> when I go to get totem-xine it's taking my ubuntu-desktop
[05:22] <opirg> jet2k5, do you have ffmpeg? Also try playing it with MPlayer or Xine
[05:22] <BockBilbo> and it happens that the boot stops giving a command prompt logged in with the user
[05:22] <Jet2k5> doesn't that uninstall gnome?
[05:22] <BockBilbo> :S
[05:22] <kalenedrael> mplayer works with wmv, usually
[05:22] <BockBilbo> would it work su USER & ?
[05:22] <kalenedrael> wmv10 has encrypted headers?
[05:22] <Amaranth> Jet2k5: No, uninstalling ubuntu-desktop doesn't mean anything until it's time to upgrade to breezy.
[05:22] <sproingie> uninstalling just ubuntu-desktop probably won't deinstall gnome, it's just a meta-package
[05:22] <Jet2k5> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[05:22] <Jet2k5>   totem totem-gstreamer ubuntu-desktop
[05:23] <sproingie> but it's probably not a good idea unless you have kubuntu-desktop
[05:23] <Jet2k5> what will the ubuntu-desktop do?
[05:23] <nemik> arrgggg curl: command not found....why?
[05:23] <ablyss> kalenedrael, apperantly the terminal output of mplayer read that in my attempts to play a wmv 10 file
[05:23] <kalenedrael> ubuntu doesn't come with it, nemik
[05:23] <kalenedrael> just apt-get install curl
[05:23] <nemik> ahhh ok
[05:23] <kalenedrael> (i just noticed that when i tried to curl some url)
[05:23] <sproingie> Jet2k5: use aptitude and mark it as manually installed.  apt is strange that way
[05:23] <Amaranth> Jet2k5: It's a metapackage, to pull in other packages. Like I said, you don't need it until you upgrade to breezy.
[05:23] <kalenedrael> ablyss, that sucks balls
[05:23] <opirg> Hey all - would you expect a server install with xfce to run faster than a default install with xfce ?
[05:24] <Amaranth> Jet2k5: And appearently with breezy totem-xine is installable without removing ubuntu-desktop.
[05:24] <ablyss> opirg, i'd expect them to run the same
[05:24] <kalenedrael> i don't see any good reason wh it would, opirg
[05:24] <nemik> do i have to restart after apt-get'ing curl?
[05:24] <kalenedrael> why*
[05:24] <kalenedrael> no, you don't ;)
[05:24] <opirg> thanks
[05:24] <Jet2k5> I guess I'll go ahead then
[05:25] <nemik> cool, kalendrael, thanks a lot for all your help. i like this channel a lot!
[05:25] <kalenedrael> i don't understand why windows always requires stupid rebooting after installing or changing anything
[05:25] <sproingie> Amaranth: thats why we dont use breezy round these parts unless danger is your thing
[05:25] <nemik> better than some over distro channels....:D
[05:25] <kalenedrael> np, nemik
[05:25] <kalenedrael> hehe
[05:25] <Jet2k5> kalenedrael: me neither
[05:25] <sproingie> kalenedrael: it's because you can't delete a dll in use
[05:25] <Jet2k5> I just fubared my windows
[05:25] <Amaranth> sproingie: yeah, basically only the developers should be using it now
[05:25] <Jet2k5> I tried switching the windows shells, and tried to go back
[05:25] <sproingie> kalenedrael: so it schedules it to be removed or replaced during the boot process
[05:25] <kalenedrael> i didn't think windows required fubaring
[05:26] <nemik> hahahhaha
[05:26] <sproingie> there's typically ways around it, but it's just easier to reboot
[05:26] <Amaranth> sproingie: I'm using it because I'm working on smeg and need to make sure gnome-menus 2.12 gets all it's issues fixed so smeg can rock.
[05:26] <sproingie> Amaranth: best to run it in a chroot then.  using it for your production system is asking for headaches not even related to what you're working on
[05:27] <ablyss> in older versions of windows you could kill explorer.exe and it would reload the setting requiring a reboot. but that was not alwas possible for every app
[05:27] <nemik> oh wow the script worked! kinda... instead of the file i got /var/spool/sms/incoming/GSM1fXg7Ku
[05:27] <kalenedrael> hmm
[05:27] <nemik> i guess i need to decode that $2 variable before parsing it to the url
[05:27] <kalenedrael> oh, echo kinda does that, it seems
[05:27] <Amaranth> sproingie: I know the risks, I'm the one that tells people not to use it. However I know my way around packaging and apt. And general linux fixing.
[05:27] <Jet2k5> thansk gusy that did it
[05:27] <Jet2k5> sorry if I sounded like an ass but sometimes that's the only thing to get ya'lls attention :)
[05:27] <iphopper> ok
[05:27] <kalenedrael> #ubuntu: not only linux supported here
[05:28] <sproingie> Amaranth: me too.  i just hate *having* to do it.  i guess as long as you know the risks
[05:28] <iphopper> so i'm following this tutorial about configuring bootx so i can try to put ubuntu on an oldworld mac.
[05:28] <ablyss> hehe
[05:28] <sproingie> i thought it was just like debian sid.  ouch.
[05:28] <iphopper> it says to open the bootx app.  i do that, and 8.1 finder tells me it's too big to be opened by simpletext.  wtf.
[05:28] <Jet2k5> anybody here play cs?
[05:28] <Jet2k5> counter strike
[05:28] <Jet2k5> is that linux naitive or what?
[05:28] <kalenedrael> nemik, the shell decodes that variable
[05:28] <Amaranth> sproingie: I'm a MOTU wannabe and programmer, I think I'll be ok. :)
[05:29] <Amaranth> Jet2k5: You need to purchase cedega.
[05:29] <sproingie> Amaranth: i wouldn't mind being a MOTU ... just haven't found anything that caught my interest to maintain yet
[05:29] <Jet2k5> k
[05:29] <Jet2k5> Amaranth: I'm planning on building a computer by the end of this summer
[05:29] <Jet2k5> I was going to go with a 64 bit processor, but I hear that ubuntus 64 edition is not that great
[05:29] <kalenedrael> what is this shell script, nemik?
[05:30] <sproingie> Jet2k5: are you kidding?  it's fabulous.  i run it now
[05:30] <kalenedrael> Jet2k5, i use kubuntu on 64bit
[05:30] <Jet2k5> no crashing
[05:30] <sproingie> Jet2k5: what it is lousy at is bi-arch.  you need a chroot, period
[05:30] <kalenedrael> it's pretty good
[05:30] <Jet2k5> from what I hear they get very very frequent crashes
[05:30] <sproingie> Jet2k5: solid as a rock
[05:30] <Amaranth> It's not good if you like flash.
[05:30] <Jet2k5> hmm
[05:30] <Jet2k5> I knew that forum was not always informal :)
[05:30] <Jet2k5> swweet
[05:30] <Jet2k5> then I might get 64
[05:31] <sproingie> ubuntu is one of the very best supported amd64 distributions out there
[05:31] <nemik> kalendrael, it is an eventhandler i created (or tried i guess) for smstools. basically i hooked up my GSM phone to my box, and when i send it an SMS (text message) it should call the php script and send it the contents
[05:31] <Jet2k5> it can still play games that were made for 32 bit right?
[05:31] <kalenedrael> yeah, a friend of mine caused a kernel panic when he was hacking nvidia drivers so they would work
[05:31] <sproingie> Jet2k5: you need a chroot
[05:31] <Amaranth> Jet2k5: Maybe, possibly, depends on how well you can get cedega running.
[05:32] <kalenedrael> nemik, is this a script or just a command?
[05:32] <iphopper> anyone here can help me with gettin ubuntu on oldworld ppc?
[05:32] <nemik> a script
[05:32] <Jet2k5> sproingie: crhoot?
[05:32] <kalenedrael> ok
[05:32] <Jet2k5> as in the command chroot?
[05:32] <nemik> that what i posted was a part of it
[05:32] <kalenedrael> ok
[05:32] <Jet2k5> Arc-: hmm so cedega is not for 64 bit then?
[05:32] <_hp_> is there a way to delay a shutdown? that is, i want my computer to shutdown an hour from now
[05:32] <kalenedrael> yes
[05:33] <nemik> supposed to be very simple. i know nothing about shell but know php much better. if i can transfer the shell variables to php, i can do anything i want! so i'm just out to do that
[05:33] <carthik> _hp_ read man halt
[05:33] <kalenedrael> shutdown -h +60
[05:33] <_hp_> kalenedrael: thanks
[05:33] <kalenedrael> +60 means 60 minutes
[05:33] <kalenedrael> unfortunately i think that will echo "Shutting down in ___ minutes" every minute
[05:33] <amonkey> is there a chemistry (or sat for that matter) channel on freenode?
[05:34] <sproingie> Jet2k5: basically you run a parallel system, you get into it with a chroot command, yes
[05:34] <nemik> so if the $2 = /var/spool/sms/incoming/GSM1fXg7Ku, that is what it is printing out to my PHP script
[05:34] <sproingie> Jet2k5: same kernel, different everything else
[05:34] <nemik> now how can i make it send the contents of that file, rather than its path?
[05:34] <sproingie> Jet2k5: it works ok, tho it is a tad wasteful of space
[05:35] <Jet2k5> k
[05:35] <synd> hoorah
[05:35] <synd> time for jay leno
[05:35] <sproingie> i havent any clue whether DRI/DRM works in 32 bit emu tho
[05:35] <sproingie> my guess is probably
[05:35] <sproingie> er probably yes
[05:35] <iphopper> synd have you put ubuntu on an oldworld machine?
[05:35] <kalenedrael> nemik, i think that has to be done outside of the shell script
[05:35] <synd> iphopper: i dont mess with oldworls macs
[05:36] <kalenedrael> if it's a plain old URL and you want to get the contents, just use wget
[05:36] <synd> iphopper: i did buy two classics and made speakers out of them : )
[05:36] <kalenedrael> if it's a file on another computer, i guess you can scp
[05:37] <nemik> no on the same computer
[05:37] <kalenedrael> oh
[05:37] <kalenedrael> what do you mean by "send the contents of the file", then?
[05:37] <kalenedrael> do you just want to copy it over?
[05:37] <nemik> the smstools daemon saves the received SMS to that file. now i need the script to open it and then pass it to the php
[05:37] <kalenedrael> oh
[05:37] <nemik> it is plain text
[05:38] <kalenedrael> i still don't quite understand, i think
[05:38] <kalenedrael> you have that file on the local machine... and you want to send it somewhere else?
[05:38] <nemik> well its ok. i'll work on it later. my girlfriend just invited me over. time to take a break ;)
[05:38] <kalenedrael> haha
[05:39] <kalenedrael> yes, that's a good excuse
[05:39] <nemik> well i have it local, i just want its contents elsewhere, not the file itself
[05:39] <kalenedrael> oh
[05:39] <kalenedrael> hmm, that could be interesting
[05:39] <nemik> it is plaintext inside, so i think it won't be too bad.
[05:39] <nemik> but i g2g, i shouldn't be late :D
[05:40] <kalenedrael> yes, it won't be bad
[05:40] <nemik> thanks so much for your help again though! i really appreciate it
[05:40] <kalenedrael> no problem
[05:40] <BockBilbo> whats the name of the program in hoary to configure samba=
[05:40] <Jet2k5> ok time to get tutored on python from my mentor
[05:40] <Jet2k5> have a good day guys
[05:40] <BockBilbo> *samba shares ?
[05:40] <nemik> knowing me, i'll prolly be back on much later tonight. otherwise i'll come by again
[05:40] <nemik> have a good night everyone!
[05:40] <kalenedrael> hmm, i have to sleep
[05:40] <nemik> goodnight then!
[05:40] <kalenedrael> cya
[05:41] <nemik> thanks again all! cya
[05:41] <syntaxman> Why is it that cdcd can play from the cdrom, but none of the graphical cdplayers can?
[05:41] <syntaxman> it seems to be a device access thing, not sound subsystem.
[05:41] <kal|Sleep> sounds odd, syntaxman
[05:42] <kal|Sleep> is the cdrom mounted?
[05:42] <syntaxman> No
[05:42] <kal|Sleep> hmm
[05:42] <syntaxman> nothing is using /dev/cdrom
[05:43] <kal|Sleep> hmm, odd
[05:43] <kal|Sleep> i've never really tried to play a music cd on a computer...
[05:43] <kal|Sleep> i've always used the stereo about three feet away
[05:44] <pollo_loco> has anyone gotten their ipod working with ubuntu?
[05:45] <andrewguy> does anyone know if the partitioning tools in the ubuntu install work well on a mac os x file system?
[05:45] <syntaxman> kal|Sleep: hehe... the PC _is_ my stereo :-)
[05:45] <kal|Sleep> hehe
[05:45] <cafuego> pollo_loco: firewire: sbp2/scsi disk, usb2: usb-storage/scsi disk. vfat fs
[05:45] <pollo_loco> mine mounts fine but "Music Player" won't play songs (it gives an error: "could not open vfs file
[05:46] <cafuego> andrewguy: No. You must use disk utility to make a macosx partition and leave from free space for the ubuntu tools.
[05:46] <andrewguy> cafuego: blah, i need something to resize my hard drive without having to reformat
[05:46] <cafuego> andrewguy: You _cannot_ resuze the hfsplus partition. Also don't use case sentitive hfsplus, as Linux can't read it.
[05:46] <kal|Sleep> weird
[05:47] <cafuego> andrewguy: There is no such tool for the mac.
[05:47] <andrewguy> cafuego: so programs like iPartion and VolumeWorks won't work?
[05:47] <nalioth> andrewguy: you need iPart or whatever that damd thing is called
[05:47] <cafuego> andrewguy: Ah payware. No idea, never heard of/used them.
[05:47] <nalioth> andrewguy: ipartition. yes
[05:47] <andrewguy> nalioth: ok thanks :)
[05:47] <nalioth> andrewguy: what kinda mac ya got?
[05:48] <cafuego> andrewguy: If they can make some free space that the installer can auto-setup (boot aprtition, root and swap) then sure.
[05:48] <andrewguy> nalioth: Mac Mini 1.42ghz :D
[05:48] <cafuego> andrewguy: They run Linux very nicely indeed
[05:48] <andrewguy> cafuego: alrighty, thanks :D i'll see what i can do
[05:48] <cafuego> andrewguy: Just making sound work on mine :-)
[05:48] <nalioth> andrewguy: yes, ipartition works well, i dual boot my macs
[05:49] <carlk4> hmm, is the BT tracker really down?
[05:49] <nalioth> andrewguy: i have a small >5gb partition for linux, leave the rest hfs+ and automount the hfs+ into my linux when it starts
[05:50] <andrewguy> ahhah is 5gb enough?
[05:50] <FR500> hello
[05:50] <cafuego> andrewguy: I have 10GB for Linux, but 5Gb should be sufficient. Depends on how much data you're going to store.
[05:50] <carlk4> andrewguy, 3g is more than  enough on i386 land
[05:51] <nalioth> andrewguy: i mounted my hfs+ part to my home dir (got a 40gb plus folder now, heh) and save all my pR0n and whatever in it
[05:51] <kal|Sleep> i have 50GB for linux :P
[05:51] <sproingie> argh.  why can't i find packages for any virtualizer except bochs?
[05:51] <andrewguy> ahahah so its possible to mount hfs in linux?
[05:51] <sproingie> no qemu, no plex86, no xen
[05:51] <cafuego> andrewguy: You're not using the new hfs+ version in tiger though, are you?
[05:51] <sproingie> i guess xen would be a toughie
[05:51] <kal|Sleep> andrewguy, yes
[05:51] <nalioth> andrewguy: i do it every day (or every time the iBook starts)
[05:51] <nalioth> cafuego: i am using tiger and it works
[05:52] <cafuego> nalioth: hfs+ or case sentitive hfs+?
[05:52] <andrewguy> cafuego: i don't know but i am using tigure
[05:52] <kal|Sleep> hfs/hfs+ support is a bit slow in linux though
[05:52] <andrewguy> tiger*
[05:52] <nalioth> cafuego: whatever the default install does for ya
[05:52] <FR500> is there a way to lock my wireless to an especific ap's mac?
[05:52] <cafuego> nalioth: I can't mount the latter under 2.6.12-rc4
[05:52] <FR500> on boot
[05:52] <andrewguy> Partition Type : 	Apple_HFS
[05:52] <nalioth> cafuego: didnt see a choice when i installed
[05:52] <andrewguy> File System : 	Mac OS Extended (Journaled)
[05:52] <cafuego> nalioth: disk util has the option
[05:52] <cafuego> andrewguy: You'll be fine then.
[05:52] <nalioth> cafuego: ah, i didnt go rooting around
[05:53] <andrewguy> cafuego: ahah sweet, ok :D
[05:53] <kal|Sleep> heh, rooting around
[05:53] <nalioth> andrewguy: if ya got the default install, yer alright
[05:53] <FR500> i have 2 ap's, one set as repeater, but it seems that the d-link ap doesnt anounce it's mode correctly as repeater so it doesnt effectively repeat unless i connect closer to the master ap, then go to the repeater's range
[05:54] <nalioth> andrewguy: ya got any other ??s i been runnin linux on macs for years
[05:54] <cafuego> "dev/hda3              Apple_HFSX Apple_HFSX_Untitled_1"
[05:54] <andrewguy> nalioth: nah, i'm good for now haha thanks tho
[05:54] <cafuego> I suppose I should try rc4-git7 or somesuch.
[05:55] <BockBilbo> *samba shares ?
[05:55] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, is it possible to run  program and sent its output to a different tty?
[05:55] <useruser> BockBilbo: program > /dev/tty12 2>&1 (as root)
[05:56] <cafuego> andrewguy: Sound probably won't work until after the 2.6.12 kernel is released and alsa 1.0.9 is in ubuntu.
[05:56] <andrewguy> cafuego: what? no sound? O.o is it just with ubuntu?
[05:56] <cafuego> andrewguy: Linux in general; the kernel doesn't know about the chip (yet)
[05:56] <synd> i wish i had some pain killers
[05:57] <kare> hi
[05:57] <cafuego> andrewguy: You can manually patch the kernel and package alsa 1.0.9 if you want to
[05:57] <kal|Sleep> you can also do program &>/dev/tty12
[05:57] <andrewguy> cafuego: damn.. cause i'm trying to install it on my friend's computer hahaha trying to lure him into the linux world :/
[05:58] <kal|Sleep> haha
[05:58] <cafuego> andrewguy: I can make the required alsa pkgs available, but you WILL need to patch the kernel for him.
[05:58] <ce_14_mutzZ> hyy
[05:58] <andrewguy> ahah i'm not too familar with kernel reconfiguring.. but if its a simple install of deb files haha then sure
[05:59] <cafuego> andrewguy: No, you need to do both
[05:59] <BockBilbo> kal|Sleep, but... i have a question
[05:59] <BockBilbo> see
[05:59] <andrewguy> it wouldn't be too hard would it? make menuconfig, switch some things off or on.. then recompile?
[05:59] <kal|Sleep> yes, it's not bad
[05:59] <cafuego> andrewguy: Just use the ubuntu source, apply the patch, recompile.
[06:00] <kal|Sleep> kernel compile != pain in the ass
[06:00] <BockBilbo> ive written overnet -q & > /dev/tty2 in tty1 as root
[06:00] <nalioth> the world is goin to hell
[06:00] <BockBilbo> and u see the output in tty1
[06:00] <kal|Sleep> kernel compile = slow, yes
[06:00] <BockBilbo> is that normal?
[06:00] <nalioth> apple released word today of switchin to intel
[06:00] <andrewguy> well i'm not scared of the compiling part.. i'm just scared of the configuring part i'm always scared i left something out that might be needed
[06:00] <tritium> nalioth, it can't be true
[06:00] <kal|Sleep> BockBilbo, you don't put the space between & and >
[06:00] <nalioth> tritium: right on /.
[06:00] <synd> its not ture
[06:00] <sproingie> andrewguy: eh, worst that happens is that you'll have to go back and rebuild.  i do it all the time
[06:00] <andrewguy> so i don't have to do any configuring? just gonna patch it with the deb files then recompile?
[06:00] <synd> i refuse to believe
[06:00] <tritium> nalioth, I know...and all the Mac rumor sites
[06:00] <nalioth> tritium: and it aint april
[06:01] <cafuego> Since when is /. a reliable new source?
[06:01] <synd> threres nothing on thinksecret.com
[06:01] <sproingie> andrewguy: once i built EVERY filesystem as a module.  oops.
[06:01] <kal|Sleep> apple would never switch to intel
[06:01] <nalioth> cafuego: when it points to news.com?
[06:01] <synd> or appleinsider
[06:01] <tritium> synd, there was, actually
[06:01] <cafuego> nalioth: Not even then.
[06:01] <synd> tritium: not recent
[06:01] <andrewguy> sproingie: lol i dunno.. i get scared and don't know what to do when my kernel isn't working and i can't get into the system normally :S
[06:01] <simprix> Is there a way with gdm to change the background for a user that is not using gnome ie: openbox
[06:01] <synd> tritium: it mentioned it a few days ago
[06:01] <BockBilbo> hey tritium
[06:02] <tritium> hey BockBilbo
[06:02] <cafuego> Maybe a news.com reporter noticed darwin x86 and suddenly thought he might win a pulitzer
[06:02] <nalioth> theres been speculation for weeks
[06:02] <sproingie> andrewguy: debian (and ubuntu of course) will always save your old kernel.  use kernel-package
[06:02] <BockBilbo> its been a while since i last show you!
[06:02] <tritium> cafuego, :)
[06:02] <tritium> BockBilbo, yes, I've not been around much lately
[06:02] <BockBilbo> me either
[06:02] <nalioth> cafuego: supposedly the news was relesased at apple dev meetin
[06:02] <sproingie> andrewguy: not only does it do some of that scut work for you, it builds a shiny new .deb that you just install alongside your old kernel
[06:02] <synd> nalioth: i still refuse to believe it!
[06:02] <andrewguy>   ahhaha ok i'll take a look at it :D
[06:02] <cafuego> nalioth: I'll believe it when I see a reliable source
[06:03] <tritium> We should know by Monday, presumably.
[06:03] <synd> nalioth: we both know apple. shit aint true until Jobs says it himself
[06:03] <nalioth> cafuego: so what is a reliable source? (thought news.com was pretty reliable)
[06:03] <synd> apple.com is pretty reliable : )
[06:03] <nerve> how would i change mirrors?
[06:03] <cafuego> nalioth: Pretty much a press release from Steve on the apple site
[06:03] <nerve> for my apt packages?
[06:03] <BockBilbo> kal|Sleep, doesnt seen to work with my problem
[06:03] <BockBilbo> :S
[06:03] <BockBilbo> the program runs
[06:04] <BockBilbo> but doesnt correctly
[06:04] <nalioth> http://news.com.com/Apple+to+ditch+IBM%2C+switch+to+Intel+chips/2100-1006_3-5731398.html?tag=nefd.lede
[06:04] <cafuego> nalioth: We'll see on monday, then.
[06:04] <sproingie> no freakin way
[06:04] <andrewguy> ok i'm gonna go partition this bad boy haha i'll be back if anything messes up :D later and thanks for the help :)
[06:05] <synd> when is the WWDC?
[06:05] <nalioth> we can only hope its a grand gag
[06:05] <sproingie> synd: monday
[06:05] <cafuego> synd: monday, probably <heh>
[06:05] <nalioth> synd: next week
[06:05] <synd> oh, duh
[06:05] <sproingie> steve jobs isn't known for being the prankster one
[06:05] <opirg> Hi all - I've heard I can speed up Ubuntu by installing ther 686 kernel, can I simply install a package through synaptic?
[06:05] <cafuego> Maybe that'll also announce they're going to drop darwin and start using Debian Sarge as base.
[06:05] <ronnie_> I just installed ubuntu on a athlon xp 1800, and the mouse keeps freezing why is this?
[06:05] <synd> haha cafuego
[06:06] <tritium> opirg, yes, grab linux-686, so it pulls in linux-restricted-modules as well
[06:06] <synd> what? how much does it speed up? ive never heard of this
[06:06] <opirg> tritium - thanks
[06:06] <sproingie> cafuego: naw, slackware.  or gentoo.  i can see it now.  "you pansies, i'm so sick of holding all your hands, you can go build your OWN damn operating system now"
[06:06] <cafuego> synd: Probably by a negligable amount.
[06:06] <synd> and its as easy as an apt-get install?
[06:07] <tritium> synd, yes, but see cafuego's comment.  You may not really notice much of a difference.
[06:07] <cafuego> synd: You'll also need a reboot. Don't forget libc6-686
[06:07] <synd> ah ok
[06:07] <BockBilbo> thanks for all
[06:07] <BockBilbo> brb
[06:07] <nalioth> night all
[06:08] <ronnie_> can anyone answer my question before ubuntu freezes again
[06:08] <synd> gnight nalioth
[06:08] <sproingie> cafuego: don't forget -ffast-math.  because it's, yunno, fast
[06:08] <Hajuu> hey.. I apt-get'd apache and then apt-get'd php4... anyone know the loadmodule line for me to add into my httpd.conf for it to load PHP? I dont know where the module is and a "locate php" didnt really help much
[06:08] <tritium> ronnie_, nice, what's the problem?
[06:08] <cafuego> sproingie: No, I disable the math copro and link the ekrnel with 'bc'.
[06:09] <ronnie_> it keeps freezing
[06:09] <ronnie_> i just installed it on a athlon xp 1800
[06:09] <tritium> ronnie_, when does it freeze?
[06:09] <ronnie_> frooze on xchat the first time and frooze on a package upgrade when i clicked ok the second time
[06:10] <ronnie_> im afriad to move my mouse right nowe
[06:10] <tritium> ronnie_, is any of this behavior reproducible?
[06:10] <ace2001ac> is there a tutorial on the web/wiki that describes how to install ubuntu using debootstrap?
[06:11] <ronnie_> it freezes at random
[06:11] <ronnie_> if i move my mouse im sure it will freeze again
[06:11] <tritium> ace2001ac, yes, search for debootstrap
[06:12] <ronnie_> I just heard about ubuntu and was exited to try it out, but this freeze issue is ticking me off
[06:12] <cafuego> woohoo, 2.6.12-rc5-git8 has 'toonie' support :-)
[06:12] <JDahl> ronnie_, is it a usbmouse? maybe you could try to shutdown hotplot
[06:12] <Hajuu> is there a macOS X window manager for linux? like one that looks and opperates just like it sorta thing
[06:13] <ronnie_> it is a usb mouse but i have the adapter on it
[06:13] <JDahl> ronnie_, I had a similar problem with Ubuntu on a Dell - but IMO that's what you get when you buy Dell
[06:13] <ronnie_> hrm
[06:13] <kal|Sleep> you'll have problems with any distro on a Dell
[06:13] <iceman> i replaced my dell motherboard with a azza board from ebay for less than $30.00
[06:14] <JDahl> kal|Sleep, tell me about it! unfortunately I work at .edu where we choose between Dell, Dell or Dell
[06:14] <chaitatp> hi guys
[06:14] <tritium> hello, chaitatp
[06:14] <cafuego> kal|Sleep: My CPtS 500 worked fine (until the hardware failed, and failed, and failed again)
[06:14] <chaitatp> i am partitioning my disk for installing ubuntu
[06:14] <iceman> Only distro i had any luck at all with on the dell mb was suse ... unfortunatly
[06:15] <nalioth> drive by msging
[06:15] <tritium> I guess I'm lucky that my C840 has treated me well for 3+ years.
[06:15] <nalioth> l8r
[06:15] <kal|Sleep> ok, let me rephrase
[06:15] <kal|Sleep> you'll have trouble with a Dell
[06:15] <kal|Sleep> period
[06:15] <chaitatp> tritium, i want a suggestion about the  amount of space for /, /usr and /home
[06:15] <sproingie> Hajuu: there's themes that sorta rip off the OSX eye candy.  but nothing that really duplicates the look and feel
[06:15] <cafuego> When you buy dell, it pays to also get the 3 yr next day on-site warranty.
[06:15] <kal|Sleep> you don't need separate partitons for those unless you're on a server...
[06:15] <chaitatp> tritium, for / what's the minimum and appropriate
[06:15] <iceman> kal|Sleep yea ... stupid dell bios
[06:16] <simprix> Does gdm in ubuntu process .xsession
[06:16] <cafuego> and be damn sure to get a replacement machine the day the warranty runs out
[06:16] <tritium> chaitatp, that depends on what you intend to install
[06:16] <chaitatp> for home use
[06:16] <lleberg_> the OEM cases are often not very nice to work with :)
[06:17] <iceman> Stripped every part out of the dell i had ... bough a AZZA motherboard on ebay, and just rebuild my system ..
[06:17] <lleberg_> not built to be modifyed in any way
[06:17] <iceman> cases on ebay for 30.00
[06:17] <Hajuu> how can I uninstall something gotten through apt-get? will apt-get remove <pkg> --purge do the job (including removing all downloaded package files and config files?)
[06:18] <tritium> chaitatp, you might take a look at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-partitioning.en.html
[06:18] <pajohn> has anyone here installed wine and run ie on it?
[06:18] <chaitatp> tritium, thx
[06:18] <kal|Sleep> no
[06:18] <Mestapheles> is anybody's apt-get update failing?
[06:18] <kal|Sleep> ew, who wants ie
[06:18] <ronnie_> Tritium, just changed to a serial mouse
[06:18] <ronnie_> guess ill give it a shot
[06:18] <kal|Sleep> Mestapheles, no
[06:18] <pajohn> for things specifically designed for ie
[06:18] <tritium> ronnie_, I hope that helps...
[06:19] <Hajuu> Mestapheles:  What do you mean "failing" ?
[06:19] <tritium> pajohn, yes, with winetools from winehq.com, just for kicks...
[06:19] <Hajuu> Timing out on all servers?
[06:19] <JDahl> actually Dell hardware works so poorly under linux that you would think they designed it that way
[06:19] <ace2001ac> tritium: thanks
[06:19] <Mestapheles> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[06:19] <tritium> ace2001ac, did you find ti?
[06:19] <tritium> it?
[06:20] <Hajuu> Mestapheles:  Yes but what does each server actually say when it tries to download the list from them?
[06:20] <Hajuu> Do some work, and some fail?
[06:21] <radiohead> Hey, I have a RADEON 9200 Pro and I have tried everything to get the right drivers for it, but no dice. Anyone have any ideas?
[06:21] <ronnie_> Tritium, whats the package installer for this distro? and is there a webpage you can point me to for usuing it?
[06:21] <tritium> Burgundavia, hi Corey
[06:21] <paco> i using ubuntu as a server.  what tools are available (eg. 'snap-in') and where can i find them?
[06:21] <tritium> ronnie_, ubuntu uses .deb packages, so it uses dpkg, apt, etc.
[06:22] <ronnie_> ah ok
[06:22] <ronnie_> im used to freebsd and rpm linux distros
[06:22] <ronnie_> this is new to me
[06:22] <sbcl3> anyone know a good JAVA IDE?
[06:22] <tritium> ronnie_, some of this advice is pure crack, but you can learn a bit from http://ubuntuguide.org/
[06:23] <ronnie_> ah ok
[06:23] <ronnie_> thanks for all your help
[06:23] <tritium> I also recommend the Debian Reference
[06:23] <JDahl> paco, you have pretty all tools you're used to from other distros.. what specifically are you looking for?
[06:23] <JDahl> s/pretty/pretty much
[06:23] <egg> hi
[06:23] <radiohead> Also, when I was running Fedora Core, when I installe dthe right drivers from ATI.com, my computer basically crashed which is why I switched back to Ubuntu. Has anyone had these problems?
[06:23] <tritium> hi, egg
[06:24] <Mestapheles> sorry I got disconnected
[06:24] <egg> ^_______^
[06:24] <Burgundavia> salut tritium
[06:24] <tritium> :)
[06:24] <BockBilbo> :S
[06:24] <BockBilbo> this still doesnt work
[06:24] <BockBilbo> :(
[06:24] <Mestapheles> apt-get update fails with "E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead."
[06:25] <JDahl> Mestapheles, did you run apt-get update?
[06:25] <paco> JDahl: well, windows server 2003 as this tool called 'snap-in' to manage other computers, and it also has the ability to create a domain forest.  Does ubuntu have this?
[06:25] <Mestapheles> yes
[06:25] <amonkey> JDahl, wouldn't he have had to run it for it to fail?
[06:25] <Mestapheles> apt-get update fails with "E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead."
[06:26] <sbcl3> how do i get eclipse IDE? It doesn't appear to be in the repositories
[06:26] <JDahl> paco, I have to pass on that one...
[06:26] <Mestapheles> Failed to fetch http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[06:26] <Mestapheles> etc
[06:26] <JDahl> amonkey, of course he would :S
[06:27] <Hajuu> Mestapheles:  Make sure your using the right country mirror for you.. Some of them wont allow people from outside their own country to connect.
[06:27] <paco> JDah, okay, then let me just ask how i can go about creatinga domain, or adding another computer to my domain?
[06:27] <Mestapheles> I assume the cd archoves are down temporarily
[06:28] <amonkey> JDahl, i can't figure out which way you meant that in so i don't want to be callous if it'
[06:28] <amonkey> s not worranted
[06:28] <Mestapheles> the .ca is canada where I live.  I'll try latter or tommorow at latest.  I used to run off of usa repositories in debian so I should be able to change to that if I have to.
[06:29] <paco> JDahl, do i just use samba or something?
[06:29] <Unintentional> So, I've been asininely saturating this little channel with questions for a few days now, but another: I can only get one stream of audio at once.  i.e. I can't play music and have any other application produce sound.  I suspect it's something to do with the driver being misconfigured, but I've no idea how to go about fixing it.
[06:30] <JDahl> paco, it's not clear to me what you're trying to do - and I dont know anything about network setup
[06:30] <cafuego> Unintentional: You need to tell all applications to use the sound server, as opposed to the sound device.
[06:30] <paco> JDahl, i am just trying to setup ubuntu as a server over four computers runing XP.
[06:31] <JDahl> paco, a server for what? if you want a fileserver then you're probably right that Samba would be good
[06:31] <nate__> whats the shell-scripting channel?
[06:31] <nate__> i can't seem to find it
[06:31] <tritium> nate__, there are many different shells
[06:32] <ushooz> Unintentional, ESD is the default sound server for Ubuntu Gnome Kbuntu is ARTS
[06:32] <nate__> tritium, bash
[06:32] <paco> JDahl, i want to set up a domain controller
[06:32] <nate__> tritium, does #bash cover shell-scripting too?
[06:33] <tritium> nate__, I would assume so, but I've never visited
[06:33] <JDahl> paco, sorry, I dont know... try just asking to channel instead of one person - if someone knows they will chip in for sure
[06:34] <paco> JDahl, well, thx anyways
[06:34] <tritium> paco, you need to install samba if you want to setup your machine as a domain controller
[06:35] <paco> tritium, can i also use it as an application server (xml, apache, mysql)?
[06:36] <tritium> paco, apache and mysql for sure.  Not sure what you want to do with xml.
[06:36] <paco> tritium, so, with samba, i can still serve computers with microsoft xp?
[06:37] <tritium> paco, yep
[06:37] <paco> tritium, after i install samba and start serving the xp  computers, i guess they will be my clients, yes?
[06:38] <paco> tritium, will ubuntu, as a server, make my xp 'clients' both FASTER and SAFER?
[06:38] <tritium> paco, I don't see the connection there...
[06:38] <ace2001ac> tritium: i found afew articles, and I'm reading them now
[06:39] <tritium> ace2001ac, great...
[06:40] <paco> tritium, well all internet articles point to the fact that server-client networks are safer..how can that be if the clients are connecting to the same internet?
[06:43] <tritium> paco, you can setup samba on a local network that is not connected to the internet at all
[06:44] <Micksa> is there a debian-specific version of debootstrap or will the debian version work as-is?
[06:45] <paco> okay
[06:46] <Micksa> if it weren't for the shortage of IP addresses, the internet would be a lot less secure
[06:46] <HaloGray> anybody try setting up beep or kalarm?
[06:47] <HaloGray> I can't get either of them to play a wav :(
[06:47] <HaloGray> beep seems to want to use oss, that be a problem?
[06:47] <ace2001ac> tritium: i only found a page on debootstrapchroot, is that good enough for a full install
[06:48] <gnuyen> Hi, I just stuck 2 gigs of ram in my notebook
[06:48] <gnuyen> and it only shows up as 885megs
[06:48] <HrdwrBoB> gnuyen: install the -686 kernel
[06:48] <stjepan> hello
[06:48] <tritium> ace2001ac, no, that's not what you're looking for.
[06:48] <stjepan> in your opinion, is ubuntu better than suse?
[06:48] <thr1ce> you're asking that in #ubuntu?
[06:49] <paco> stjepan, ubuntu is better because it is debian based
[06:49] <gnuyen> HrdwrBoB: thanks, i'll try that
[06:49] <stjepan> paco, why?
[06:49] <IcemanV9> gnuyen: whoa! how nice! :)
[06:49] <stjepan> because ... what?
[06:50] <JDahl> stjepan, I think it's better, but maybe the learning curve can be steeper on Debian based distros
[06:50] <thr1ce> stjepan: nobody can tell you what you'd like better
[06:50] <thr1ce> try them both
[06:50] <thr1ce> ubuntu has a liveCd; try that out before installing if you'd like
[06:51] <paco> stjepan, also, suse costs big money
[06:51] <Hajuu> Ok im having alot of trouble with apt-get remove <pkg> --purge.. It just doesnt get rid of some files or something... and I want to make a completely clean reinstall so I do a locate <pkg and then delete any files that remain... including the dpkg files for that package (file lists etc which I think --purge should have cleaned)... and then do a apt-get install <package_name> and it says it installs fine.. but then heaps of files are mis
[06:51] <Hajuu> sing!!!
[06:52] <moqui> Hajuu, try sinaptic
[06:52] <gnuyen> IcemanV9: well if it gets me another gig of ram it'll be well worth the thanks =P
[06:52] <JDahl> stjepan, in my personal opinion, the best things about Debian are it's package manager and it's consistency
[06:53] <moqui> Hajuu, synaptic*
[06:53] <moqui> Hajuu, sorry
[06:54] <Hajuu> hmm
[06:55] <Hajuu> yeah this seems to have a much more thorough remove in the "remove completely" option
[06:55] <gnuyen> HrdwrBoB: Thanks! It worked!
[06:55] <tritium> Hajuu, that's the same as apt-get remove --purge, or dpkg --purge
[06:55] <HrdwrBoB> gnuyen: no worries :)
[06:56] <ace2001ac> tritium: is this good enough? V
[06:56] <ace2001ac> tritium: is this good enough? InstallWithFloppiesHowto
[06:57] <tritium> ace2001ac, I haven't tried it, so I can't be certain
[06:59] <kdawg> I installed gpdf. How do I make it the default when double clicking on a desktop pdf?
[07:01] <desrt> kdawg; don't install gpdf.
[07:01] <desrt> kdawg; install evince.  it's much better
[07:01] <kdawg> desrt, hmm. I'll give it a try.
[07:02] <desrt> kdawg; as for your question, right click on any PDF file then go to the "open with" tab and click on the evince (or gpdf, if you prefer) radio button
[07:02] <desrt> that will affect all pdfs
[07:02] <tritium> kdawg, it's going to replace gpdf in breezy
[07:02] <desrt> right click -> properties, even
[07:02] <desrt> kdawg; you used to hang out in #kde on efnet?
[07:03] <Micksa> #kde?
[07:03] <Micksa> WE HAVE SAVED ANOTHER LOST SOUL
[07:04] <Xenguy> desrt: too bad the projects couldn't just trade names :-)
[07:04] <kdawg> desrt, evince looks good. thanks for the tip.
[07:04] <desrt> kdawg; no prob.
[07:05] <Xenguy> kdawg: remembering it is the hardest part ;-)
[07:05] <kdawg> desrt, no. Don't think I've ever been in #kde. I've always been partial to gnome.
[07:07] <yonil> forgot - in which file are all the mounting information ?
[07:08] <tritium> yonil, you mean /etc/fstab?
[07:08] <yonil> tritium, yes thanks ;)
[07:08] <tritium> :)
[07:08] <kdawg> cool. I didn't know the "open with" was there in the properties. :-)
[07:08] <desrt> kdawg; back in the day when gnome sucked there was someone in #kde on efnet called kdawg
[07:08] <Micksa> ahem
[07:08] <Micksa> so um, are there any ubuntu developers in here?
[07:09] <desrt> Micksa; yes
[07:09] <Unintentional> cafuego: sorry, I was off.  How do I configure applications to use the sound server?
[07:11] <Xyc0> Ubuntu ROX!
[07:12] <Xyc0> ....
[07:12] <moqui> Xyc0, i'm with ya, it kicks
[07:12] <desrt> Xyc0; no trolling!
[07:12] <Xyc0> I am so not trolling
[07:12] <desrt> oh right.  you're in the right channel to be saying that :)
[07:12] <moqui> desrt, whats trolling?
[07:12] <Xyc0> just rallying support
[07:12] <desrt> moqui; trolling would be going into #gentoo and saying "Ubuntu ROX!" :)
[07:12] <Xyc0> lol mix up your channels?
[07:12] <Micksa> rally support in #suse
[07:13] <desrt> Xyc0; nah.  just goofing around
[07:13] <moqui> desrt, oh i c thanx
[07:13] <Xyc0> he he
[07:13] <desrt> moqui; basically, trying to start a fight
[07:13] <Xyc0> Flameing is a closer description
[07:13] <kdawg> Are there other options for burning audio cd's than gnometoaster?
[07:13] <DJJaramaniack> flaming if ya will
[07:13] <Xyc0> but im not pissed about it
[07:13] <Micksa> "behold fallen ones! I know the way to salvation!"
[07:13] <desrt> no.  flaming is what trolls try to get people to do
[07:13] <Xyc0> GnomeBaker
[07:13] <moqui> desrt, ok sorry
[07:14] <Xyc0> kdawg: GnomeBaker
[07:14] <desrt> gnomebaker is nice but the version in hoary sort of sucks
[07:14] <Xyc0> synaptics should find it easy
[07:14] <kdawg> Xyc0, thanks, I'll check it out.
[07:14] <Xyc0> Wow i am free of fucking RPMs
[07:14] <Xyc0> I love this stuff
[07:14] <DJJaramaniack> couldn't ya compile a version from another distro???
[07:14] <desrt> Xyc0; :)
[07:15] <desrt> DJJaramaniack; actually, i think the version available on the website is the one hoary ships
[07:15] <thechitowncubs> My laptop gets awful hot, and the fans don't seem to run enough
[07:15] <Xyc0> I remeber having to install apt-rpm everytime i install FC3
[07:15] <desrt> but the breezy version has some extra patches in it
[07:15] <Xyc0> Mine does too
[07:15] <thechitowncubs> is there a way to change some things around to get the fans going more?
[07:15] <Xyc0> dells get really hot
[07:15] <Xyc0> you can buy lap coolers
[07:16] <Xyc0> they are like minifans that attatch tot he bottom of your laptop
[07:16] <DJJaramaniack> there is a cooling program out there
[07:16] <desrt> thechitowncubs; look around in /sys/devices/system
[07:16] <thechitowncubs> desrt: what should I look for?
[07:16] <desrt> thechitowncubs; might be something in there to control the temperature thresholds for the fans turning on
[07:16] <desrt> thechitowncubs; anything like 'temperature' or something
[07:16] <toxickore> how can i remove an apt error????
[07:16] <desrt> toxickore; depends on the error
[07:16] <toxickore> somebodey can help me?
[07:16] <lleberg_> and my girlfriends arrives
[07:16] <Deep7> how do you go up to "breezy"
[07:16] <lleberg_> off to sleep :)
[07:16] <toxickore> desrt: it says like this
[07:16] <crimsun> Deep7: don't, if you're sane
[07:16] <desrt> thechitowncubs; that's how i did it on my ibook
[07:16] <crimsun> (topic)
[07:17] <desrt> crimsun; yo.  'sup?
[07:17] <Xyc0> Deep7:  Id stick with Hoary
[07:17] <crimsun> desrt: nada, tu?
[07:17] <Deep7> hahah I'm used to using  Debian unstable e
[07:17] <DJJaramaniack> breezy is in alpha stage???
[07:17] <desrt> crimsun; writing crackrock patches for gnome-panel :)
[07:17] <Deep7> alright....
[07:17] <crimsun> Deep7: sid's not even a comparison
[07:17] <toxickore> desrt: http://pastebin.ca/13349
[07:17] <thechitowncubs> what file did you change desrt?
[07:17] <Xyc0> Deep7:  yea, but breezy is a pain in the ass
[07:17] <desrt> thechitowncubs; i forget which one exactly.. it was a long time ago and i've since sold it
[07:17] <Xyc0> Hey, what theme are you all useing?
[07:17] <stuNNed> [/win 2
[07:18] <stuNNed> sorry
[07:18] <Deep7> anything noteworthy in breezy?
[07:18] <Xyc0> I have neos!
[07:18] <thechitowncubs> Ah, ok
[07:18] <desrt> toxickore; i don't speak spanish :(
[07:18] <toxickore> desrt: just read the error messages.... the other messages doesn't matter
[07:18] <desrt> toxickore; if i had to guess randomly from not knowing the language i'd say maybe you're out of disk space?
[07:19] <kdawg> Xyc0, I've got GnomeBaker burning. SWEET 8-)  Nice looking app too!
[07:19] <toxickore> desrt: no, the disk space is not the problem
[07:19] <toxickore> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[07:19] <toxickore> /dev/hda5             9.8G  3.6G  6.3G  36% /
[07:19] <Xyc0> kdawg: awsome, yea it the closest to nero of the few out there
[07:19] <thechitowncubs> My lap is burning up!!!
[07:19] <Xyc0> put it on a table
[07:19] <desrt> crimsun; how's breezy shaping up?
[07:20] <ushooz> for those of you that have a valid copy of Windows Nero you can download for free the linux version of Nero
[07:20] <Xyc0> ushooz: can you really?
[07:20] <Xyc0> I never tried that
[07:20] <ushooz> yep
[07:20] <IcemanV9> thechitowncubs: is it hp pavilion ze5185??
[07:20] <crimsun> desrt: it's progressing
[07:20] <thechitowncubs> It is an Acer Travelmate 4000
[07:20] <Hajuu> Hey... In Synaptic, what does a small ubuntu logo next to a package mean?
[07:20] <desrt> crimsun; very non-commital of you :)
[07:20] <ushooz> http://www.nero.com/en/NeroLINUX.html
[07:20] <JDahl> ushooz, isnt that a crippled version compared to the Windows version? Noone seemed to care much about Nero's linux version
[07:21] <desrt> i had to stop running it a week or two ago.  it was getting scary.
[07:21] <IcemanV9> thechitowncubs: mine always get HOT all the time. it sux!
[07:21] <ubuntu_phil> will someone help me with the installation of ipw2100 drivers/firmware?
[07:21] <tritium> good night...
[07:21] <crimsun> night tritium
[07:21] <JDahl> night, tritium
[07:21] <Xyc0> Hajuu: I would assume its a standard package for ubuntu
[07:21] <tritium> night crimsun, JDahl :)
[07:21] <thechitowncubs> my fan hasn't gone on for like 10 min
[07:21] <thechitowncubs> in windows it ran a lot more
[07:21] <thechitowncubs> and it didn't burn up my lap
[07:21] <ushooz> JDahl, I do not own a license for Nero. I have never used it but all the Windows folks swear by it
[07:21] <IcemanV9> thechitowncubs: i has to prop it up on the cookie sheet to get the air flow under the lap
[07:21] <Hajuu> Xyc0:  could that explain why apt-get has been unable to remove certain parts of it?
[07:21] <NetGeek> Hajuu: it is the main repository
[07:21] <crimsun> desrt: my breezy machine isn't quite usable due to an iptables snafu that locked me out, heh
[07:22] <Xyc0> what NetGeek said
[07:22] <JDahl> ushooz, I remember it only so-so reviews when it came out.. the conclusion was that it doesnt offer anything you cant find in OSS alternatives
[07:22] <thechitowncubs> cookie sheet :P
[07:22] <moqui> thechitowncubs, I remember that in the bios on my laptop I had to set bios to...
[07:22] <JDahl> ushooz, s/only/only got
[07:23] <ushooz> JDahl, I use to use command line makeiso and cdrecord then eroaster then k3b now built in Gnome burner and or gnomebaker
[07:23] <Mr_Smiley_> Hi, I'm trying to share a folder in my home directory by right clicking and clicking share folder. This share shows up on a windows computer but when I try and access it I get asked for a username and password. Any ideas? Thanks :)
[07:23] <Hajuu> it IS the main repositry?
[07:23] <IcemanV9> thechitowncubs: yea. my lap is banned to use in igloo. :P
[07:23] <Hajuu> heh
[07:23] <Hajuu> or is in the main repositry?
[07:23] <moqui> thechitowncubs, there is a device configuration option and it should be selected by "All Devices" not OS
[07:24] <Xyc0> Anyone have any tips for getting WINE running on Ubuntu Horay?
[07:24] <ushooz> Mr_Smiley_, your linux username and password should work
[07:24] <stjepan> leaving
[07:24] <Mr_Smiley_> ushooz: well i don't really want it to ask for a username and password at all
[07:24] <thechitowncubs> I'm going to go check out the bios
[07:24] <thechitowncubs> brb
[07:25] <ushooz> Mr_Smiley_, Map the drive in windows then. It will then be a drive letter
[07:26] <maxxist> I am having difficulties installing the newer bittorrent client into hoary.  i googled and didnt find much.  i get some sort of config error.  the stock hoary one works fine.
[07:26] <Mr_Smiley_> basically i want to be able to share a folder and it will be accessable by windows computers without asking for a username and password
[07:26] <moqui> maxxist, i use Azureus
[07:26] <yonil> i've created a fat32 partition using gparted, now how can i make windows recognize it ?
[07:27] <maxxist> what is so good about azuerus?
[07:27] <maxxist> sorry spelled wrong
[07:27] <Hajuu> its good stuff
[07:28] <Hajuu> fast downloasd
[07:28] <NetGeek> maxxist: more control of the torrents
[07:28] <moqui> it's the one that works for me and i've never used anything else
[07:28] <Hajuu> lotsa stuff
[07:28] <Hajuu> etc etc
[07:28] <Hajuu> what more do you need!
[07:28] <maxxist> ok i will try it out.
[07:28] <Mr_Smiley_> i just tried putting my ubuntu username and password in - it didn't work
[07:28] <Hajuu> I thought they removed azurus from the ubuntu package repositry?
[07:28] <maxxist> yeah i think it isnt there any more.
[07:29] <yonil> i'll explain: i got windows & linux on my machine, i want to create a shared partition, and fat32 is the way to go from what i've heard. now in gparted i've created a 2gb fat32 partition, but windows doesnt seem to recognize it (its not in 'my computer') -what can i do?
[07:29] <moqui> Hajuu, just download it from sourceforge.net
[07:29] <maxxist> yeah ok
[07:30] <Hajuu> Uhm... Using Synaptic -- I tried to download php4.. when it came up with the dependancy thing I said "yes install all dependancies" or something.. but when I install and it comes up with: E: libapache2-mod-php4:  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 : it causes several dependancy error.. im assuming thats whats causing it.. Any ideas?
[07:30] <thechitowncubs> My bios is very basic and doesn't have any options that look helpful
[07:31] <SirMud> did ya try the Add New Hardware wizard in win yonil
[07:31] <IcemanV9> same here, thechitowncubs - oh well .. the cookie sheet stays
[07:31] <thechitowncubs> i really want a solution
[07:32] <maxxist> they have a gtk build.
[07:33] <SirMud> i think the option you're looking for chitown is (in an Award Bios anyways should be similiar in others) called PnP OS installed
[07:35] <IcemanV9> thechitowncubs: check out the forum thread - http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-13954.html
[07:35] <desrt> the prevailing opinion seems to be that nero sucks compared to k3b
[07:35] <yonil> SirMud: the thing is, under the hard-disk's properties in windows device manager, it identifies that partition of 2gb, but it doesnt appear under my computer (i thought this might be because it doesnt have a name)
[07:36] <SirMud> ah, download tweak UI, there is an option in it to hide/unhide drives in explorer
[07:36] <SirMud> i had the same problem with a second cdrom
[07:36] <Hajuu> Uhm.. Ok.. using Synaptic I managed to get Apache2 and php4 installed as well as mysql and imagemagik... and I just did a "apache2ctl restart" which ran without error... but when I try to open my test php file.. my browser tries to download it rather than view it.. but it doesnt mention anything about it doing this in the ubuntu FAQ... it says it should work perfectly.
[07:37] <Hajuu> any ideas?
[07:37] <thechitowncubs> Interesting thread, but it doesn't really solve anything
[07:38] <thechitowncubs> and would there be a reason to why the gnome cpu freq doesn't show my CPU speed
[07:38] <thechitowncubs> nvm
[07:38] <thechitowncubs> it works now
[07:39] <SirMud> i missed your problem chitowncubs, could ya enlighten me?
[07:39] <toxickore> hello..... how can i fix this?
[07:39] <toxickore> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:39] <toxickore>   python-pythoncard: Depends: python2.4-pythoncard but it is not installed
[07:39] <toxickore> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
[07:39] <thechitowncubs> MY laptop runs really hot
[07:39] <Unintentional> yonil: go to Start -> Programs -> Administrative tools -> Device Management (or something like that)
[07:39] <thechitowncubs> but i think the problem is that the CPU is always scaled at the lowest, hence the fans not running
[07:39] <Unintentional> yonil: it'll bring up a screen where you can bind a drive letter to a partition.
[07:39] <SirMud> ok, its a power management thingy
[07:39] <thechitowncubs> right now the applet is only showing 600mhz, its capable of 1.4ghz
[07:40] <thechitowncubs> even when i run glxgears
[07:40] <thechitowncubs> or something intensive, the scaling doesn't change
[07:40] <ushooz> thechitowncubs, you on a laptop?
[07:40] <SirMud> last time i checked APM support was kinda lacking
[07:40] <thechitowncubs> ya
[07:40] <ushooz> doh
[07:40] <ushooz> I see where you said that
[07:40] <ushooz> is it on battery right now
[07:40] <SirMud> don't really know though, don't have a laptop made after 1985
[07:40] <Unintentional> Hey, how do I configure applications to use the sound server instead of the sound device?
[07:41] <SirMud> flash in firefox?
[07:41] <ushooz> Unintentional, it should be in the options of the apps
[07:41] <thechitowncubs> i just enabled laptop-mode and now my cpu scales correctly
[07:41] <thechitowncubs> i wonder why that wasn't on by default
[07:41] <toxickore> any idea?
[07:42] <IcemanV9> thechitowncubs: what was the command?
[07:42] <thechitowncubs> sudo laptop-mode start
[07:42] <Unintentional> ushooz: I'm trying to figure out how to configure Totem then, but the option doesn't appear to be in the preferences.
[07:43] <IcemanV9> k
[07:43] <thechitowncubs> still running super hot though
[07:43] <ushooz> Unintentional, goto System/Perferences/Sound
[07:43] <SirMud> give it a bit to cool down :p
[07:43] <ushooz> Preferences
[07:44] <ushooz> Unintentional, Make sure sound server enabled is checked under General tab
[07:44] <yonil> Unintentional: i see there the partition, it says "healthy, unknown partition" but i cant change the drive letter (no letter right now)
[07:45] <thechitowncubs> can someone help me enable that on login?
[07:45] <SirMud> add the full path to your initrd
[07:45] <thechitowncubs> can you explain in more detal
[07:45] <thechitowncubs> il
[07:46] <akallos> I have a q: how do I prevent Apache2 from showing directory listing?
[07:46] <egg> google "how do I prevent Apache2 from showing directory listing"
[07:46] <caonex> hello i am trying to configure my dell monitor so i can change the resolution because i cannot get anything better than 640x480. I ran xresprobe to make sure that I had the right settings and would not harm the monitor, but i discovered that xresprobe thinks that the display is a CRT, when it is a LCD. I changed the settings with xorgcfg, but they do not seem to apply, any ideas?
[07:47] <IcemanV9> how do u know if laptop-mode is running or not??
[07:47] <Unintentional> ushooz: hmm, it is checked.  maybe that's not the cause of my problem.
[07:47] <Unintentional> yonil: what option do you get when you right-click the partition?
[07:47] <thechitowncubs> it tells you if it was started
[07:48] <IcemanV9> "Starting laptop-mode"
[07:48] <yonil> Unintentional: only removing it... and so i did, since its empty anyway ill just recreate it in windows
[07:48] <thechitowncubs> fricking a, its still hot as hell
[07:48] <thechitowncubs> why isn't my fan going on
[07:48] <Unintentional> yonil: yeah, I was about to suggest that.  it should work alright.
[07:49] <akallos> egg you are very helpful, your name should be in big red letters when Ubuntu is starting... NOT!
[07:49] <IcemanV9> what's the temperature, thechitowncubs?
[07:49] <egg> @@
[07:50] <IcemanV9> mine was 72.0 degrees C
[07:50] <egg> I have a rank in ...
[07:50] <yonil> Unintentional: yeah it works, now i need to boot linux and then windwos again though.. bye thanks for help ;)
[07:50] <egg> AI bot rank
[07:50] <caonex> what is DDC, is xorg? could i enable it and no harm my monitor? it seems that is preventing it from displaying a higher resolution.
[07:51] <egg> iceman:  tou need a app ---- hotbabe
[07:51] <weedar> Okay, this is weird, gconfd received a signal 15 last night and shut down my computer (cleanly, as it says) - but why?
[07:51] <desrt> man.. i don't understand how kde users survive
[07:51] <egg> if your cpu overheat... she will...
[07:51] <egg> a good monitor
[07:52] <maxxist> geez am i ever happy i updated my repositories.  lots of good updates.
[07:52] <egg> google "hotbabe"
[07:52] <egg> nice oh
[07:53] <weedar> egg: didn't get the result I was expecting from that one ;)
[07:53] <egg> wait a mins
[07:53] <egg> hotbebe here  -> http://dindinx.net/hotbabe/index.php
[07:54] <egg> ^_______^
[07:54] <weedar> uhm, that picture is showing some..uh..nipple..first sysadmin tool site not suited for children
[07:54] <toxickore> if a apt-get -f install does not fix a broken package what can i do?
[07:54] <egg> Is she HOT? hehe
[07:55] <crimsun> on-topic please, egg
[07:55] <toxickore> any idea?
[07:56] <egg> tracker is down ------ oh
[07:56] <egg> bad news
[07:56] <akallos> so, anybody? someone? how do I prevent Apache2 from showing directory listing?
[07:57] <egg> G O O D  J O B
[07:58] <SirMud> ok, i can't get gnome to keep my screen resolution settings
[07:58] <bigfoot> Hi everyone. I'm new to Ubuntu/Linux. I'm trying to play media files. I have gstreamer-properties (Multimedia Systems Selector)--> Video-> Default Sink Output now at "XWindows (No Xv)" but I still get the pink lines flashing. When I run the test mode (in Multimedia Systems Selector) on "XWindows (X11/Shim/Xv)" I got those pink lines. But when I test out "XWindows (No Xv)" the test screen is perfect. So how come when I play an actual movie fil
[07:58] <bigfoot> e (and it doesn't matter what media player I use: they all get the same results), I get the pink streaks flashing over the movie file? I would greatly appreciate any advice. Thank you.
[07:59] <SirMud> ok, more specifically the setting for refresh rate
[07:59] <bosewicht> where is the applications menu to edit in gconf?
[08:00] <markc> is there an installer included on the hoary livecd ?
[08:00] <toxickore> i need some help
[08:00] <neza> any one know why i keep getting (failed to load hal!)
[08:03] <SirMud> what kind of media files you trying to play bigfoot?
[08:04] <bigfoot> SirMud, thank you for your response. I'm trying to play movie files (for ex. avi,). It doesn't matter what type of movie file i play, they all get the pink lines.
[08:05] <bosewicht> how do u add launchers to the gnome menu?
[08:05] <Micksa> dpkg: can't mmap package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available': Invalid argument
[08:05] <Micksa> WTF?
[08:05] <SirMud> you have to get the gnome menu editor bosewicht, they left it outta 2.10 for some reason
[08:05] <weedar> akallos: Options - Indexes, read about it (hint: .htaccess)
[08:06] <CrestCuttys> hey- i am a debian user
[08:06] <SirMud> ok bigfoot, are you running a fresh install?
[08:06] <bosewicht> i have it, but i can't find the applications to edit. do u know where they are?
[08:06] <CrestCuttys> why should i run ubuntu??//
[08:06] <egg|n00b> hey I am a debian n00b
[08:06] <SirMud> sorry, i don't bose
[08:06] <SirMud> im pretty new to gnome, used to kde
[08:07] <CrestCuttys> what is kubuntu?
[08:07] <SirMud> cuz ya want to crest
[08:07] <bigfoot> SirMud, i'm not sure what you mean by fresh install. But i can tell you that I put in the Hoary 5.04 CD that I received, and that install-CD erased everything on my harddrive. I'm not sure whether this is the answer.
[08:07] <weedar> CrestCuttys: Ubuntu with KDE instead og Gnome
[08:07] <SirMud> it has kde as the desktop env instead of gnome crest
[08:07] <weedar> og/of
[08:07] <CrestCuttys> cant you run both?
[08:07] <CrestCuttys> like apt-get install gnome kde?
[08:07] <Micksa> bosewicht: at a guess, you could create the launcher in a panel, find the file in ~/.gnome2, and copy it to the menu dir (wherever that is
[08:07] <Micksa> )
[08:08] <weedar> would you really want to?
[08:08] <bigfoot> SirMud, I was able to play a movie file (in harddrive) fine just an hour ago. Then, afterwards, I tried again, but it was no good.
[08:08] <bosewicht> good idea
[08:08] <SirMud> have you tried restarting bigfoot?
[08:08] <bigfoot> SirMud, the only solution i found was to reboot the computer, but even then, it's not a sure solution.
[08:09] <SirMud> just log off and back on, shouldn't need to restart
[08:09] <bigfoot> SirMud, I'd like to find out what the problem is. I don't think it's my hardware.
[08:09] <CrestCuttys> i'm from a debian background- why are there seperate distros to run kde?
[08:09] <Micksa> who maintains the ubuntu wiki?
[08:09] <SirMud> what media player are you using bigfoot
[08:09] <bigfoot> SirMud, coz if we could find out what the cause of the problem is, i think that would be good.
[08:10] <CrestCuttys> i'm from a debian background- why are there seperate distros to run kde?
[08:10] <ushooz> CrestCuttys, Ubuntu was started as a Gnome only distro. Another group wanted KDE based off the core work of Ubuntu... so they made Kbuntu
[08:10] <bigfoot> SirMud, totem, vlc, xine. When it's good, any media player is good. But when one is bad, they're all bad. In other words, i don' t think the problem is a player-specific problem.
[08:10] <CrestCuttys> but on debian- you can run both?
[08:10] <weedar> sort of like Mandrake Linux when they started vs. Red Hat
[08:10] <CrestCuttys> what makes ubuntu better than debian?
[08:11] <SirMud> its all about tastes crest
[08:11] <Micksa> it's released twice already
[08:11] <SirMud> ubuntu is easy for newbies
[08:12] <SirMud> ok bigfoot, have ya made sure everything is up to date?
[08:12] <CrestCuttys> can i run IceWM with ubuntu?
[08:12] <SirMud> yes
[08:12] <CrestCuttys> how?
[08:12] <bigfoot> i think i have, but how can i make sure that everything is up to date, SirMud ?
[08:12] <CrestCuttys> apt-get install icewm?
[08:12] <SirMud> it says in the wiki crest
[08:12] <egg|n00b> SirMud:  umm,can not agree with you more
[08:13] <CrestCuttys> do you use apt get in ubuntu
[08:13] <SirMud> system-> administration-> synaptic package manager
[08:13] <SirMud> you can crest, i'd use synaptic though
[08:13] <Lafitte-> how do i add wide screen resoltion to my ubuntu ?
[08:13] <CrestCuttys> what is synaptic?
[08:13] <weedar> a front-end for apt-get
[08:13] <Lafitte-> it is using 1024x768
[08:14] <CrestCuttys> why not just use apt-get?
[08:14] <CrestCuttys> ease of use?
[08:14] <SirMud> yea
[08:14] <revelater> why can't i back up my files to a floppy at all
[08:14] <egg|n00b> eyecandy
[08:14] <Micksa> Lafitte: can you use a shell without too much trouble?
[08:14] <revelater> i made a script
[08:14] <SirMud> is the floppy mounted?
[08:14] <CrestCuttys> but isnt apt get pretty easy? just #apt-get install package
[08:14] <bigfoot> how can i make sure that everything on my ubuntu is up-to-date?
[08:14] <revelater> yes
[08:14] <revelater> but only 2 files are mounted
[08:14] <Lafitte-> what file i edit too change resolution
[08:14] <Micksa> Lafitte: back up /etc/X11/xorg.conf; "dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"
[08:14] <revelater> copyed sorry
[08:14] <Micksa> that MIGHT work
[08:15] <revelater> and they are cut short
[08:15] <revelater> and they lost their case
[08:15] <revelater> i also tried to make a directory and it cuts that short also
[08:15] <weedar> CrestCuttys: Some people prefer GUIs
[08:15] <SirMud> refresh synaptic and when its done in the status bar at the bottom it'll say if there is any packages to upgrade
[08:16] <SirMud> synaptic makes it easy to see what version you have of everything
[08:16] <CrestCuttys> why do people use slackware?
[08:16] <SirMud> cuz they're masochists
[08:16] <SirMud> :D
[08:16] <CrestCuttys> but really- why?
[08:17] <SirMud> different strokes for different folks
[08:17] <bigfoot> SirMud, i have done that. No packages to upgrade. So my system is up-to-date. So my problem is not because of this. What could be the problem, then, I wonder.
[08:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> CrestCuttys i used to use it and liked it; but i don't think it's good for a desktop system.
[08:17] <CrestCuttys> what is slack good for?
[08:17] <revelater> is there something about floppys that prevents them from writing more than a certain number of characters to the name of a file or deirectory?
[08:17] <ushooz> Slackware is pure source packages. Slack does not modify or tinker with the source. The source from the orginal source is the Slack package you will get
[08:17] <ItinitI> slack is good
[08:17] <revelater> CrestCuttys: slowing down your computer
[08:18] <SirMud> dos floppys are fat12 which means 8.3 filenames
[08:18] <raghu> hi all i am generating ssl certificate ....when it asks password if i hit enter it says it should be 4 char...but if i give password when rebooting system hangs at apache...whwt to do?
[08:18] <CrestCuttys> is slack like gentoo?
[08:18] <ushooz> no
[08:18] <revelater> SirMud: which means?
[08:18] <CrestCuttys> isn;t gentoo source?
[08:18] <revelater> SirMud: do i need to format it, if so how?
[08:18] <Tezkah> gentoo is compiling from source
[08:18] <ItinitI> no, slack is not source distro
[08:18] <Tezkah> slack is packages based on that source
[08:19] <ushooz> Slack has precompiled packages you do not do builds like gentoo
[08:19] <Tezkah> not the heavily modified stuff like we use
[08:19] <ItinitI> slack is very unix like
[08:19] <ItinitI> or tries to be
[08:19] <Tezkah> beautiful apt-get
[08:19] <SirMud> applications-> system tools-> floppy formatter
[08:19] <CrestCuttys> is debian unix like?
[08:19] <revelater> SirMud: umm, im not using gnome
[08:19] <CrestCuttys> liek how is slack unix like?
[08:19] <revelater> command line maybe?
[08:19] <Lafitte-> Micksa,  says i dont hve xserver-org
[08:20] <ItinitI> well it uses the .tgz packages
[08:20] <SirMud> should be an equivalent in kde
[08:20] <bigfoot> SirMud, hi there.
[08:20] <chaitatp> can someone give me the link to the ubuntu'faq please
[08:20] <chaitatp> i can't remember the url
[08:20] <ItinitI> debian is more linux, but a more do-it-yourself version than say mandrake or red hat
[08:20] <revelater> SirMud: don't use kde either
[08:20] <Micksa> "xserver-xorg"
[08:20] <chaitatp> not that in the www.ubuntulinux.org
[08:20] <Tezkah> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/documentation/faq/roo
[08:20] <Lafitte-> Micksa,  i cant edit that  says not exsist
[08:20] <Tezkah> /topic
[08:20] <SirMud> best bet would prolly be cmd line then :p
[08:20] <dicrapio> i have some images in /boot, i think they're lilo themes, how do i use them?
[08:20] <bigfoot> SirMud, my system is up to date, but still, i have those pink lines flashing when playing a movie.
[08:20] <chaitatp> Tezkah, i remember it's another one
[08:21] <Micksa> sorry, what? can't edit?
[08:21] <CrestCuttys> what exactly is unix?
[08:21] <weedar> What is gconfd and why do I need it? (can't find useful info from google)
[08:21] <chaitatp> Tezkah, something like ubuntudoc.org
[08:21] <CrestCuttys> i mean i hear linux and bsd but no unix
[08:21] <SirMud> they prolly have something, but i don't have any explerience with others
[08:21] <CrestCuttys> can i buy unix?
[08:21] <Tezkah> CrestCuttys, yeah, from SCO
[08:21] <SirMud> yea, have a couple thousand dollars
[08:21] <CrestCuttys> who runs unix
[08:21] <moqui> CrestCuttys, just use google for that
[08:21] <chaitatp> Tezkah,
[08:21] <Tezkah> you can make your Linux a genuine UNIX platform
[08:21] <Tezkah> for $699!
[08:21] <chaitatp> Got it it's ubuntuguide.org
[08:21] <HC|Idler> BSD is more real unix
[08:22] <CrestCuttys> is HP-ux unix?
[08:22] <chaitatp> Tezkah, thank you anyway
[08:22] <SirMud> yeah
[08:22] <klontj> CrestCuttys : it appears that you now very little about the various linux distros, i suggest you visit www.distrowatch.com to learn about the various linux distributions
[08:22] <klontj> now=know
[08:22] <SirMud> i'm not sure bigfoot, might try the help pages for the media players, vlc has real good help on their site
[08:22] <CrestCuttys> but how do linux and unix differ?
[08:22] <Tezkah> yeah sorry chaitatp
[08:22] <Tezkah> e
[08:22] <ItinitI> uhm yeah I think its HP's version of Unix
[08:22] <SirMud> unix is copyrighted, linux is copy lefted
[08:23] <moqui> CrestCuttys, the kernel among other things
[08:23] <Tezkah> http://www.google.ca/search?q=ubuntu+faq&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
[08:23] <CrestCuttys> what are true unixes?
[08:23] <shanon> CrestCuttys: Linux is a rewrite iplementing the same standard (intially)
[08:23] <Tezkah> I'm sure its there somewhere
[08:23] <ItinitI> Solaris
[08:23] <Tezkah> FreeBSD
[08:23] <SirMud> unix is a copyright of bell labs if im not mistaken
[08:23] <bigfoot> SirMud, okay, i'll check out vlc. thank you! (So'd you'd recommend this, even when the problem is not player-specific?)
[08:23] <ItinitI> and its Unices ;-)
[08:23] <Micksa> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix
[08:23] <moqui> CrestCuttys, dude google is good
[08:23] <SirMud> yea, i use vlc on everything
[08:23] <CrestCuttys> solaris is tru unixes?
[08:23] <Lafitte-> can anyone help  me figure out how to edit what it takes to add more resolutions
[08:23] <omniscient> hey guys.. I installed apache2 and php4 from packages, followd tutorials on configuring it, but still when i try load a php file with web browser it tries to download it (firefox download manager)
[08:23] <ItinitI> Yeah, read some unix history
[08:23] <CrestCuttys> is AIX unix?
[08:23] <bigfoot> SirMud, i meant I'll check out vlc's homepage.
[08:23] <ItinitI> yes, IBM's
[08:23] <shanon> CrestCuttys: Anything derived from BSD (berkly software distrobution) and AT&T unix SRV4
[08:24] <ItinitI> yeah thats right
[08:24] <CrestCuttys> does microsoft have a unix?
[08:24] <ItinitI> ..
[08:24] <SirMud> should just do a x reprobe
[08:24] <ItinitI> no
[08:24] <shanon> CrestCuttys: no
[08:24] <SirMud> lol
[08:24] <klontj> CrestCuttys use google to answer your questions - you're becoming very annoying
[08:24] <Tezkah> I loooove gnome today
[08:24] <moqui> klontj, thanks thats what i've been saying
[08:24] <omniscient> anybody able to help?
[08:25] <CrestCuttys> you are the troll here
[08:25] <ItinitI> is there a list of all Ubuntu packages? =/
[08:25] <shanon> CrestCuttys: Is doen't really matter anyway. They have all devianted significantly from the original UNIX versions
[08:25] <revelater> does anyone know how to format a floppy in command line??
[08:25] <SirMud> in synaptic, has all the official ones by default
[08:26] <klontj> CrestCuttys: how can you say you have a debian background when you don't even know what synaptic does?
[08:26] <ItinitI> eh thats on the system no?
[08:26] <SirMud> try a man fmt
[08:26] <Xyc0> Ubuntu pwns!
[08:26] <SirMud> i think thats the command: fmt
[08:26] <Xyc0> Anyone get wine running on Ubuntu?
[08:27] <revelater> SirMud: thats for formatting text
[08:27] <SirMud> lol
[08:27] <revelater> lol
[08:27] <SirMud> i haven't ran pure linux cmdline since the 386 days
[08:28] <revelater> SirMud: and look what its done to you!!
[08:28] <ushooz> revelater, look up mkfs
[08:28] <SirMud> whats worse is i've been using dos98 so i've gotten lazy too :p
[08:29] <Xyc0> How do you check wich version of Ubuntu you are using, I know what I am using but a friend of mine is having troubles
[08:29] <ushooz> revelater, man mkfs for the formats
[08:29] <bigfoot> how can i change screen depth/resolution?
[08:29] <ushooz> Xyc0, command line do uname -a
[08:29] <nerve> is there anyway i can select the mirrors for apt in ubuntu?
[08:29] <nerve> like a mirror-select sort of tool
[08:29] <SirMud> system -> preferences -> screen resolution
[08:29] <nerve> ?
[08:30] <Tezkah> why is there antivirus for Linux?
[08:30] <omniscient> ive followed the instructions on ubuntuguide.org (like i usually do, and it usually works) but now instead of apache parsing php files its just making my browser try to download them (through download manager).. anyone know whats wrong?
[08:30] <SirMud> for servers that serve to dos boxes
[08:30] <Xyc0> ushooz: that tells me the kernel
[08:30] <Xyc0> ushooz: im trying to figure out if my friend is using Breezy
[08:31] <shanon> omniscient: Is the PHP module loaded ?
[08:31] <SirMud> put the cd in a dox box and in explorer it'll have the name and version number for name
[08:31] <omniscient> i dont know
[08:32] <omniscient> all i know is i was told to follow those instructions, i did, and it doesn't work, it never mentioned any modules? how do i find this out?
[08:32] <shanon> omniscient: httpd -l or httpd -L shows the modules loaded
[08:32] <SirMud> should be the same thing in gnome too
[08:32] <omniscient> no httpd, i'm using apache2
[08:33] <shanon> omniscient: ah ok. Sorry I have only used ver 1
[08:33] <omniscient> apache2 -l :)
[08:33] <omniscient> theres nothing about php there
[08:33] <SirMud> it should be Ubuntu Version i386 Xyc0
[08:33] <shanon> omniscient: in apace 1 there would be a line like modphp.a
[08:34] <omniscient> yeah i donthave it, i have a list of modules but no php
[08:34] <shanon> omniscient: It shounds like the php module isn't loaded or enabled
[08:34] <KarlosII> woot woot linux nvidia drivers recieved a nice update
[08:34] <KarlosII> Added OpenGL 2.0 Support.
[08:34] <mello6> when?
[08:34] <shanon> omniscient: You may have to explictly tell it to load the modle in the conf file.
[08:34] <mello6> sweet
[08:34] <KarlosII> NVIDIA Linux Display Driver 1.0-7664
[08:34] <KarlosII> today
[08:35] <mello6> i haven't booted ubuntu today
[08:35] <KarlosII> posted on http://www.happypenguin.org/
[08:35] <mello6> well on an nVidia pc
[08:35] <Tezkah> nvidia makes PCs!?
[08:35] <Xyc0> SirMud:  I'm not really concerned with the kernel architecture, I am more concerned with if my friend is in over his head or not with Breezy.  The kernel is the same for Horay and Breezy
[08:35] <omniscient> i read some tutorials tellingme to add in: LoadModule mod_php libexec/mod-php.so or something
[08:35] <drummer87> hi all, how easy is it to set up a server box for testing some php on? i'd like to have internet >> router(wireless) >> ubuntu(wireless nic) >> server(wired). would i face any probs with both wireless and wires interfaces up (ie trying to access internet through wired)
[08:35] <mello6> Xinerama too
[08:35] <KarlosII> yah Tezkah they do :)
[08:35] <omniscient> i copied exactly from text when i did it, and it couldnt load it
[08:35] <SirMud> they build just about everything for em now
[08:35] <omniscient> said it didnt exist
[08:35] <KarlosII> uh uh :)
[08:35] <mello6> shush, Tezkah
[08:35] <KarlosII> uhuh
[08:35] <mello6> :p
[08:36] <Lafitte-> help please
[08:36] <Tritis> I'm getting some strange behavior with gnome on hoary.  If I use the connect to server dialogue to create two ftp icons, one opens in a nautilus browser and the other tries to use firefox to connect to the ftp server.  Anyone else have this issue?
[08:36] <KarlosII> help please
[08:36] <KarlosII> :)
[08:37] <Lafitte-> cant get 1280x800  to set in gnome
[08:37] <SirMud> did you reprobe x
[08:37] <KarlosII> probe x
[08:38] <omniscient> this is so buggered
[08:38] <bigfoot> Hi all. How can i take a look at my "XFree86 video driver"? I'm trying to fix some video playback problems  i'm having?
[08:38] <KarlosII> http://www.tomshardware.com/stresstest/index.html <--- woot woot amd stress test
[08:38] <KarlosII> vs intel
[08:38] <omniscient> i dont understand how its worked 50 times before and now it decided its not going to
[08:38] <SirMud> it should get all available resolutions from the monitor
[08:39] <Lafitte-> need help setting screen resoltion anyone   nothing is working
[08:39] <Jurku> omniscient: do you have mod php installed?
[08:39] <shanon> omniscient: I am not sure how you are setting it up. I compile my PHP and apache and set it up from scratch.
[08:40] <shanon> Jurku: 8) Thats what I asked
[08:40] <Xyc0> Lafitte-: what did you try?
[08:40] <Jurku> sorry
[08:40] <revelater> do files in an ext2 take more space then files in ext3?
[08:40] <Jurku> didn't see
[08:40] <omniscient> jurku: i installed that apache2 mod php4
[08:40] <stuNNed> revelater: afaik no
[08:41] <Jurku> omniscient: is there anything in httpd errors log?
[08:41] <omniscient> LOL wtf
[08:41] <revelater> stuNNed: afaik? and i mean even a little bit more?? like 90 bytes more?
[08:41] <omniscient> i just typed apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 to show you it was installed..
[08:41] <omniscient> and its installing
[08:41] <Jurku> :)
[08:41] <omniscient> but i bloody installed it before i watched it
[08:41] <omniscient> :|
[08:41] <shanon> omniscient: heh 8)
[08:42] <shanon> Gremlins!
[08:42] <omniscient> must be
[08:42] <omniscient> must be that windows partition
[08:42] <omniscient> i have to move it one day
[08:43] <omniscient> thanks guys anyway, turned out to be my mistake.. im too quick to blame the system :)
[08:43] <revelater> because you know nothing can go wrong thats notyour fault you feel intimidated?
[08:43] <revelater> :P
[08:44] <leo_mx> hello..whats the "delete file" or "delete folder" command in the linux console?
[08:44] <Jurku> leo_mx: rm
[08:44] <leo_mx> and rmdir for folders right?
[08:45] <Xyc0> rgr
[08:45] <Tomcat_> leo_mx: Yes but that will only delete empty folders
[08:45] <Xyc0> roger
[08:45] <leo_mx> okay...thanks
[08:45] <shanon> leo_mx: rm -rf to recursively delete
[08:45] <shanon> leo_mx: including folders with files
[08:45] <revelater> ok i just copied my accounting files from my home (ext3) to a floppy (ext2) and the folder in the floppy takes up about 90 bytes less, is that ok?
[08:46] <Lafitte-> can anyone help me with screen resolution
[08:46] <shanon> revelater: the folder will take up space proportionate to the number of files it has to reference
[08:46] <Xyc0> Lafitte-: yea i can
[08:47] <Xyc0> Lafitte-: I asked you what you tried to do
[08:47] <revelater> sorry 90 kilobytes
[08:47] <Lafitte-> Xyc0, ok      i need to set screen  1280x800
[08:47] <SirMud> im having a problem, everytime i restart, gnome insists on reseting my monitor's refresh rate, anyone know how to get the setting to stay on what i want?
[08:47] <revelater> chanon, thats kind of a non answer
[08:47] <revelater> shanon: that was for you^
[08:47] <Lafitte-> Xyc0, its not an option in gnome     only 1024x768
[08:48] <IcemanV9> Lafitte-: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:48] <Lafitte-> iceman,  didnt worl
[08:48] <Lafitte-> work
[08:48] <shanon> revelater: 90KB folder is not unusually if you have a lot of files in the folder
[08:48] <shanon> unusual
[08:48] <revelater> shanon: but that is a difference between to supposedly exact folders
[08:49] <revelater> shanon: the only difference is that one is ext2 and the other ext3
[08:49] <shanon> revelater: the bigger one is the ext3?
[08:49] <revelater> shanon: yes
[08:50] <shanon> revelater: ext3 is just ext2 with logging. I assume that is the space taken up by the logs. I don't know more about ext3 than that
[08:50] <Lafitte-> Xyc0,  ??
[08:51] <revelater> then it might be considered ok to have a file difference like that
[08:51] <Xyc0> Lafitte-: Im looking for a easy x configure command
[08:51] <shanon> revelater: In short the extra space is taken up by metadata
[08:51] <omniscient> my god! now 1 php file works but the rest dont!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:51] <revelater> thats good enough for now, thank you
[08:51] <omniscient> now what have i done :(
[08:51] <shanon> revelater: is it a file or a directory ? I thought you said directory?
[08:51] <cuntface> I've recently installed Ubuntu, and I just added a sound card. How can I configure it now?
[08:51] <revelater> shanon: yes directory
[08:52] <shanon> revelater: OK then yes it is probably what I said
[08:52] <revelater> shanon: i said file when i meant to type size :P
[08:52] <IcemanV9> Lafitte-: did you try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"?
[08:52] <Jurku> omniscient: what's the difference between those which works and those which doesn't work?
[08:52] <revelater> shanon: thanks for the help gnight :)
[08:52] <shanon> revelater: I wouldn't worry about it unless you want to understand ext3 and filesystem internals
[08:52] <Jurku> omniscient: can you show me the php files?
[08:52] <shanon> revelater: cya
[08:53] <omniscient> jurku: the ones that dont are mambo & phpmyadmin.. the one that does is <?php phpinfo(); ?>
[08:53] <Tezkah> goodnight #ubuntu, heres hoping that hibernate works
[08:53] <omniscient> they try and download saying they are phtml files, but they are .php
[08:53] <ushooz> Xyc0, whoops you are right. Sorry was away for a few. Did you get your answer on how to check yet?
[08:53] <omniscient> i added phtml to the addtype line too, still no go
[08:54] <Xyc0> ushooz: what do you mean
[08:54] <Xyc0> ushooz: sorry im multitasking
[08:55] <ushooz> Xyc0, you wanted to know what version of Ubuntu you were running
[08:55] <Lafitte-> IcemanV9, yes i did
[08:55] <Xyc0> ushooz: i wanted to know how to check it
[08:55] <ushooz> Xyc0, you get it answered?
[08:56] <Jurku> omniscient: you have proper file access permissions?
[08:56] <johnnybezak> hey guys
[08:56] <Xyc0> Lafitte-: sudodpkg-reconfigurexserver-xorg
[08:56] <j-rock> Xyc0: in gnome go to system -> about unbutu
[08:56] <j-rock> Xyc0: s/unbutu/ubuntu
[08:56] <Xyc0> j-rock: thanks
[08:56] <Xyc0> im checking on a firend of mine
[08:56] <omniscient> yes.. i just checked and it says theres no php module installed again.. yet the one php file still works :|
[08:56] <Xyc0> hes using Breezy already and has no clue what to do
[08:57] <j-rock> Xyc0: why on earth is he using breezy
[08:57] <ushooz> cat /etc/lsb-release will get it for ya as well if he has no GUI
[08:57] <lilram> where can i get an rss feed reader?
[08:57] <Xyc0> j-rock: i just told him to torrent Horay
[08:57] <johnnybezak> apt-get ?
[08:57] <Xyc0> Lafitte-: did you get that command?
[08:57] <lilram> evolution doesn't have one it appeears
[08:57] <ushooz> lilram, synatpic or apt-get blam or liferea
[08:58] <lilram> thanks ushooz
[08:58] <lilram> one sec
[08:58] <IcemanV9> Lafitte-: still doesn't do a squat??
[08:59] <omniscient> what command can i use to find the path to libphp4.so ?
[08:59] <johnnybezak> whereis
[08:59] <Lafitte-> Xyc0,  i did that  it is set to 1280x800 there   but gnome no tusuing it
[08:59] <omniscient> root@shit:/etc/apache2 # whereis libphp4.so
[08:59] <omniscient> libphp4:
[08:59] <omniscient> guess that means it aint there then?
[09:00] <HappyFool> try locate
[09:00] <Xyc0> Lafitte-: when you do the configuration, you can add new settings to the gnome resolution changer
[09:00] <omniscient> HappyFool, same thing
[09:00] <omniscient> what command can i use to see what files a package installed and to where it put them?
[09:00] <Xyc0> then you change it through the Screen Resolution Preferance
[09:00] <omniscient> that would nail it i reckon
[09:00] <HappyFool> dpkg -L
[09:00] <omniscient> ok
[09:00] <lilram> i'm out, thanks for the help.
[09:01] <omniscient> /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so
[09:01] <omniscient> thanks mate
[09:01] <HappyFool> and is it there? I'm surprised locate didn't find it
[09:02] <omniscient> fuck me
[09:02] <omniscient> excuse me french
[09:02] <omniscient> root@shit:/etc/apache2 # apache2ctl restart
[09:02] <omniscient> [Sat Jun 04 17:02:07 2005]  [warn]  module php4_module is already loaded, skipping
[09:02] <omniscient> apache2 -l
[09:02] <omniscient> shows no php modules
[09:02] <omniscient> :(
[09:03] <Jurku> omniscient: can you put your httpd.conf somewhere where we could look at it?
[09:03] <omniscient> sure
[09:03] <reka> *frenchmen
[09:03] <j-rock> omniscient: mine doesnt show it either, but i know its loaded
[09:03] <johnnybezak> pastebin
[09:03] <omniscient> does #ubuntu have a pastebot?
[09:03] <Unintentional> Hey, in what document is the default kernel defined?
[09:03] <j-rock> omniscient: are you starting apache2 with -D PHP4
[09:04] <Xyc0> Unintentional: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:04] <Unintentional> thanks.
[09:04] <ubuntu> yeah
[09:04] <pb3400> hello, i was wondering how i can install this distro without any removable media
[09:04] <pb3400> or with floppies
[09:05] <pb3400> preferably without any rm. media because i dunno if my floppy works right now
[09:05] <ubuntu> i am wondering if i can recover my data from ntfs drive, that i accidently converted to ex3
[09:05] <ubuntu> :D
[09:05] <Xyc0> Unintentional: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:05] <Xyc0> then change the default number starting from 0 to 5, depending on how many entrys you have
[09:05] <cuntface> this is making me frustrated
[09:05] <cuntface> is there no GUI or program to set up the sound
[09:05] <pb3400> Ubuntu: try partition magic
[09:05] <cuntface> (what module to use, etc.)
[09:06] <ubuntu> partition magic shows that the partition is unformatted :/
[09:06] <Xyc0> no hes trying to recover data from a format
[09:06] <j-rock> cuntface: what card?
[09:06] <ubuntu> no, it was not formatted
[09:06] <Xyc0> your out of luck
[09:06] <cuntface> j-rock, an older card that uses cs4281 module
[09:06] <Xyc0> you said you put it to ext3
[09:06] <Micksa> hi
[09:06] <Micksa> so like
[09:06] <pb3400> ubuntu: you could try "GetDataBack NTFS"
[09:06] <Micksa> how to you create a /dev/dvd symlink
[09:06] <cuntface> I loaded the module. What else do I need to do?
[09:06] <omniscient> http://pastebin.com/294952
[09:06] <omniscient> there guys
[09:07] <Micksa> so it, like, stays there?
[09:07] <ubuntu> i can see data with recovering softwarre, but it shows everytginh as unknown.doc for example
[09:07] <cuntface> I see no /dev/dsp or /dev/sound or anything.
[09:07] <ubuntu> i need file names :)
[09:07] <j-rock> cuntface: i'd say use alsa because tahts what im familiar with, but iirc ubuntu uses esound?
[09:07] <pb3400> ubuntu: i would just take wat you could get
[09:07] <HappyFool> pb3400: a bit of googling found this: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-29555.html
[09:08] <pb3400> HappyFool: i saw that already
[09:08] <Xyc0> ubuntu: You reformatted from NTFS to ext3 correct?
[09:08] <j-rock> Micksa: ln -s /dev/cdrom /dev/dvd, or whatever appropriate first device is needed
[09:08] <ubuntu> yeah, i did that :-) but there are too many files, i wouldnt like to krustis with them for a long time
[09:08] <pb3400> HappyFool: problem is i only have 3 floppies
[09:08] <Micksa> gragrhgrh
[09:08] <cuntface> j-rock, well, that's the problem: I have the alsa module loaded, but esound wants /dev/dsp, which does not exist.
[09:08] <Micksa> j-rock: that disappears after a restart
[09:08] <pb3400> HappyFool:LMAO!
[09:08] <crimsun> cuntface: lsmod|grep ^snd_pcm_oss
[09:08] <cuntface> I really would think there would be some app included to setup the sound.
[09:08] <j-rock> cuntface: so switch from esound to alsa?
[09:08] <cuntface> either way
[09:08] <j-rock> Micksa: wierd
[09:08] <crimsun> Micksa: ls /etc/udev/rules.d/
[09:09] <cuntface> there should be like a /dev/dsp or /dev/sound/dsp or something
[09:09] <cuntface> crimsun, snd_pcm_oss
[09:09] <crimsun> cuntface: cat /proc/asound/modules
[09:09] <Micksa> crimsun: okay, um, what do I do with that? :)
[09:10] <cuntface> also, when I try to open alsamixer: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[09:10] <crimsun> Micksa: tell me the output
[09:10] <Micksa> 020_permissions.rules  udev.rules
[09:10] <crimsun> Micksa: there should be a cd-aliases* file in the parent dir
[09:10] <soopurman> is there a "correct" file to list iptables rules in ?
[09:11] <Micksa> cdsymlinks.conf
[09:11] <crimsun> soopurman: not really
[09:11] <Micksa> okay, ta
[09:11] <Jurku> omniscient: the config seems to be ok...
[09:11] <Micksa> IMHO there should be a base dir that is just copied into /dev :)
[09:11] <Micksa> but hey, what would I know
[09:11] <soopurman> crimsun: so should i just make something like "rc.local" ?
[09:11] <crimsun> Micksa: you need to symlink that conffile into /etc/udev/rules.d/.
[09:11] <crimsun> Micksa: then restart udev
[09:12] <omniscient> :(
[09:12] <crimsun> Micksa: did you dist-upgrade from warty, or is this a clean install?
[09:12] <Micksa> um
[09:12] <Micksa> it's breezy
[09:12] <omniscient> :(
[09:12] <Micksa> been dist-upgraded twice I think :)
[09:12] <crimsun> Micksa: did you dist-upgrade from warty, though?
[09:13] <crimsun> soopurman: no, don't use "rc.local". Just create a script somewhere and run it.
[09:13] <Micksa> crimsun: not to breezy, that was from hoary.
[09:13] <crimsun> soopurman: otherwise, install a package like shorewall
[09:13] <Micksa> um um um
[09:13] <Micksa> I think I dist-upgraded from warty to hoary too, yeah
[09:13] <crimsun> soopurman: or firestarter
[09:13] <Micksa> but the warty install was fresh :)
[09:13] <crimsun> Micksa: the dist-upgrade from warty is the important part
[09:14] <omniscient> got my peanuts, got my coffee.. just need my php working
[09:14] <omniscient> :(
[09:14] <Micksa> oh hang on
[09:14] <Micksa> grah, I'm totally lost :)
[09:14] <Micksa> I can't remember the history of this thing
[09:14] <Xyc0> you really shouldnt use breezy
[09:14] <Micksa> Xyc0: but I want to be HARD CORE
[09:14] <Xyc0> unless your helping dev and debug
[09:15] <Micksa> sorta
[09:15] <Micksa> this laptop won't suspend/resume
[09:15] <Micksa> and I am determined to do whatever it takes
[09:15] <Xyc0> you have to ask it to
[09:15] <Xyc0> when you shut down
[09:15] <Xyc0> put in hibernation
[09:15] <crimsun> cuntface: did you tell me what I requested?
[09:15] <cuntface> crimsun, yeah, just now, nothing in there
[09:15] <Xyc0> i mean when you log out
[09:15] <Micksa> Xyc0: give me some credit
[09:16] <Micksa> I know what I'm doing :)
[09:16] <Micksa> mostly
[09:16] <crimsun> cuntface: paste the output from lspci -v and lsmod to pastebin.com
[09:17] <Micksa> bluddy hell
[09:17] <Xyc0> Micksa: Us it if you looking for the challenge, but dont whine about it
[09:17] <Micksa> I'm too clever for #ubuntu but not clever enough for #ubuntu-devel
[09:17] <Micksa> I'm in fucking limbo
[09:17] <crimsun> Micksa: there is no such thing as "too clever"
[09:17] <Xyc0> lol, sounds framilliar
[09:18] <cuntface> crimsun, you want all the lspci output, or just that regarding the sound card?
[09:18] <crimsun> cuntface: just the audio
[09:18] <Xyc0> Lafitte-: Any luck?
[09:19] <Jurku> omniscient: a long shot,, but reinstall phpmyadmin
[09:19] <Lafitte-> Xyc0,  i added lower res   but not for my widescreen
[09:19] <Jurku> if that's possible
[09:19] <ubuntu> i heard that converting ntfs to ex3 doesn't change a lot, i just need to change partition ID back to NTFS? how can i do it?
[09:19] <omniscient> its not just that though
[09:19] <cuntface> http://pastebin.com/294958
[09:19] <omniscient> mambo wont work either
[09:19] <Lafitte-> Xyc0,  im not sure how to set the settings
[09:20] <Xyc0> Lafitte-: the xconfig didnt let you select the widescreen formats?
[09:20] <Xyc0> Lafitte-: it should give you a list of resolutions to choose from
[09:20] <Jurku> omniscient: yes, i realize that, but what if we just tried to get phpmyadmin work first? :)
[09:20] <HappyFool> ubuntu: that sounds unlikely to me. where did you hear that?
[09:20] <Xyc0> Lafitte-: you hit space bar to activate the ones you want to use
[09:20] <nemik> is there any way to URL-encode something so that when i pass it to curl as a variable in the URL it won't give errors?
[09:20] <crimsun> Micksa: the correct file to symlink is /etc/udev/cd-aliases.rules
[09:21] <ubuntu> HappyFool, at one forum.
[09:21] <omniscient> ok
[09:21] <Xyc0> ubutntu: ext3 is a format
[09:21] <crimsun> Micksa: i.e., sudo ln -s /etc/udev/cd-aliases.rules /etc/udev/rules.d/.
[09:21] <Lafitte-> Xyc0,    yes  i did that    and  they don show up
[09:21] <crimsun> Micksa: then sudo invoke-rc.d udev restart
[09:22] <Xyc0> Lafitte-: even after you restarted X?
[09:22] <Lafitte-> Xyc0,  yes
[09:22] <Lafitte-> ill try again
[09:22] <Xyc0> do the config
[09:22] <Xyc0> then restart to use new settings
[09:22] <HappyFool> ubuntu: well, i see fdisk has a command to 'change a partition's system id'. you can try it, but i doubt it will do you any good
[09:23] <ubuntu> =) great! could you help me do it?
[09:23] <HappyFool> ubuntu: type 'sudo fdisk /dev/<hdsomething>', then type 'm' to get a list of commands
[09:23] <HappyFool> ubuntu: i do not recommend that you do this
[09:23] <Xyc0> ubuntu: you can try mounting the partition as NTFS he he
[09:23] <crimsun> cuntface: heh, of course you can't use alsa and oss/free simultaneously for the same card
[09:24] <ubuntu> ok, i will try ;-) Xyc0, how can i do that? :-)
[09:24] <cuntface> I don't understand what you're getting at.
[09:24] <Xyc0> Anyone know how to get rid of that ugly gDesklet icon in notification area?
[09:24] <crimsun> cuntface: pick a driver (cs4281 or snd_cs4281) and go with it
[09:24] <nemik> in bash, how can i URL-encode data so that curl doesn't complain when i load it?
[09:24] <crimsun> cuntface: don't try to use both simultaneously, since they conflict
[09:24] <Xyc0> ubuntu: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[09:24] <omniscient> reinstalled and still the same :(
[09:25] <cuntface> crimsun, I didn't know I was trying to use both :(
[09:25] <Xyc0> ubuntu: dude this will really mess up your computer, id suggest you take the loss
[09:25] <cuntface> crimsun, I only modprobed one module
[09:25] <crimsun> cuntface: look at your lsmod output. Both drivers are loaded.
[09:25] <Xyc0> ubuntu:  I can help you dual install windows and Ubuntu if youd like
[09:25] <Xyc0> ubuntu: so you can avoid this problem
[09:25] <crimsun> cuntface: sudo modprobe -r cs4281 snd_cs4281 && sudo modprobe snd_cs4281
[09:25] <cuntface> wtf
[09:26] <ubuntu> :-) yeah, good advice to take the loss... especially when almost half a year work will be almost lost
[09:26] <Xyc0> ubuntu:  i keep a seconds HD in fat32 so i can back up everything for Ubuntu and Windows
[09:26] <crimsun> Micksa: let me know if that symlink I just told you about resolves your /dev/dvd issue
[09:26] <HappyFool> ubuntu: perhaps you should find a data recovery specialist, i.e., the people who recover data from crashed drives and so on
[09:27] <Xyc0> ubuntu: yea like best buy *snikers*
[09:27] <HappyFool> ubuntu: if that partition has valuable data on it, the last thing you want to do is screw around with it more
[09:27] <cuntface> crimsun, I still have no /dev/dsp
[09:27] <Lafitte-> Xyc0,  well   im not sure why  ehhe
[09:27] <Micksa> crimsun: okay, um...
[09:27] <Xyc0> Lafitte-: why it wont let you use them?
[09:28] <crimsun> cuntface: that doesn't matter yet
[09:28] <Micksa> crimsun: next reboot.
[09:28] <Lafitte-> Xyc0,  the are not in lis in gnome   but in xorg  they are all 1200x800
[09:28] <crimsun> cuntface: after you've run both modprobe commands, what does /proc/asound/modules contain?
[09:29] <Quequeg> ubuntu, just to echo others, it only cost ~$300 to recover data in many cases, and I'd check that out first.
[09:29] <Xyc0> Lafitte-: Mine lets me select 1280x960, does that not work for you?
[09:29] <ubuntu> it is not cheap acctually to find a specialist... and as i've mentioned before, these files are recoverable - it just doesn't recover the file names, but shows them as e.g "unknown100.doc". :-) Now i'll know that the first thing to do is to make a backup :-)
[09:29] <cuntface> crimsun, nothing in there
[09:29] <ubuntu> anyway, thanks for the help, i'll go to renaming my files (two thousand) :-D
[09:30] <crimsun> cuntface: ok, then paste your full lspci -vv output onto pastebin
[09:30] <Lafitte-> Xyc0,  no
[09:30] <chocoIate> hi everybody :P
[09:30] <Lafitte-> it is a bit stretched at this res    but it works i guess
[09:30] <Xyc0> ubuntu: the first thing you do is arrange a partition to put all your project files so you dont ever need to back up
[09:30] <ubuntu> yep :-)
[09:31] <cuntface> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/294961
[09:31] <Xyc0> Lafitte-: No, as in you don't like that resolution, or no it wont go in the resolution
[09:31] <Lafitte-> Xyc0,  wont go   so im settling  hehe
[09:31] <Lafitte-> Xyc0,  it is for sure  1200x800 widescreen
[09:32] <cuntface> crimsun, sorry guy, gtg
[09:32] <cuntface> my time was limited :(
[09:32] <cuntface> adios
[09:32] <Xyc0> google about changeing resolution through X, maybe Gnome is fighting with you
[09:32] <cuntface> thanks anyway
[09:32] <chocoIate> so, finally i got my brand new ISDN modem, however i have a problem. Its just so tough to configure this lol ; i have followed the guide here, except its so damn incomplete, he tells you how to get everything done but does not show how to setup mISDN in the first place --->> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowto and this results in all those modules not loading
[09:32] <Lafitte-> Xyc0,  yeah  i think it is gnome
[09:33] <Xyc0> hmmm
[09:33] <liable> chocoIate: holy shit, you *still* doing that. :)
[09:33] <chocoIate> so, i go here and its a lot more complete --->> http://rcum.uni-mb.si/~uvp00845b/
[09:33] <chocoIate> yes liable lol
[09:33] <chocoIate> i just got my modem delivered yesterday :)
[09:33] <Xyc0> Lafitte-: did you try running the x config outside of gnome?
[09:33] <Xyc0> alt-f2
[09:33] <Lafitte-> Xyc0, yes    no diff
[09:33] <chocoIate> and i'll be frank with you, i'm a bit tired of winxp, i cant wait to start some serious development with linux but i cant get this shit to work :P
[09:33] <chocoIate> its just so trival
[09:34] <Xyc0> Lafitte-: Im drained of ideas, sorry i couldn't help more
[09:34] <Lafitte-> Xyc0,  whats the standard spot to mount a drive in ubuntu
[09:34] <Lafitte-> i need to mount a drive
[09:34] <chocoIate> and the funny thing is with suse linux it works out of the box
[09:34] <deadcat> whats the headers package again i forgot
[09:34] <Xyc0> chocoIate: is it a dial up modem?
[09:34] <Daylighthater> media??
[09:34] <Xyc0> Lafitte-: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[09:34] <deadcat> kernel-haders-`uname -r` ? no. thats debian
[09:35] <chocoIate> no isdn, currently i'm trying to follow this guide but i dont think i understand the initial step in : 2. Linux kernel
[09:35] <Lafitte-> Xyc0,     no   i can mount in bash   just where is standard spot to mount it as
[09:35] <chocoIate> http://rcum.uni-mb.si/~uvp00845b/ <-- this is where you will find step 2
[09:35] <HappyFool> deadcat: something like 'linux-headers-386' is what you want; may be -686, or -k7, or whatever
[09:35] <Xyc0> Lafitte-: /mnt/whateveryoulikehere
[09:36] <chocoIate> can anybody take a look at it and give me some illumination :p
[09:36] <deadcat> HappyFool: you're life saver (=
[09:36] <Lafitte-> Xyc0,   hhe
[09:36] <Xyc0> Lafitte-: you have to mkdir /mnt/whatever first
[09:36] <mrhicago_> hello
[09:36] <Xyc0> Lafitte-: sudo mkdir /mnt/media
[09:36] <chocoIate> Xyc0 : it is dial up, just isdn
[09:36] <mrhicago_> what kind of software is in ubuntu
[09:36] <crimsun> mrhicago_: packages.ubuntu.com
[09:37] <HappyFool> mrhicago_: a wide variety
[09:37] <Deanodriver> even in the standard install, there seems to be more than enough
[09:37] <Xyc0> chocoIate: System > Administration > Networking
[09:37] <liable> chocoIate: ignore the second tutorial, follow the ubuntu one, the other is old
[09:38] <mrhicago_> cool
[09:38] <chocoIate> i guess what i really need is mISDN ; this guy here states -->> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowto  that mISDN is the new ISDN driver in ubuntu
[09:38] <mrhicago_> didnt know it came with dvd rippping stuff
[09:38] <chocoIate> i just dont see it in ubuntu anywhere
[09:38] <Lafitte-> Xyc0,  ty  for all the help
[09:38] <Xyc0> Lafitte-: NP
[09:38] <chocoIate> I do not have mISDN
[09:38] <liable> chocoIate: yes, istall the pakages
[09:39] <chocoIate> there is no package to install
[09:39] <chocoIate> its not there
[09:39] <chocoIate> do you see it anywhere liable :o
[09:39] <Deanodriver> anyone got any tips on upgrading sound drivers?
[09:39] <Deanodriver> i'm trying to get the sound working in quake 3 :P
[09:39] <Xyc0> chocoIate: you need to add expanded repositories
[09:39] <liable> chocoIate: click on the link, it'll download it
[09:39] <Deanodriver> works fine in everything else but q3a, though
[09:39] <chocoIate> Xyc0 : that is useless to me since i'm not connected in the first place. I want to manually download the package if its out there
[09:39] <mrhicago_> sweet
[09:40] <chocoIate> what link liable :o
[09:40] <mrhicago_> this kicks
[09:40] <Xyc0> Deanodriver: what kind of card?
[09:40] <liable> chocoIate: in the tutorial
[09:40] <Deanodriver> onboard, i think it's realtek
[09:40] <Xyc0> chocoIate: um... that does manual download the packages
[09:40] <crimsun> realtek only makes ac97 codecs
[09:40] <Deanodriver> yeah
[09:40] <crimsun> they don't actually manufacture the dsps
[09:40] <Deanodriver> well, then all i have to do is get it running in q3a :)
[09:40] <Deanodriver> somehow...
[09:41] <Xyc0> ac97 is alsa still right?
[09:41] <crimsun> so answer Xyc0's question :)
[09:41] <crimsun> Xyc0: alsa does support ac97 mixers, yes
[09:41] <Deanodriver> lol, it'd be ac97 then
[09:41] <crimsun> ac97 is a spec, not a card
[09:41] <crimsun> tell us which driver it's using
[09:41] <Deanodriver> ah well
[09:41] <crimsun> cat /proc/asound/modules
[09:42] <HappyFool> chocoIate: sorry to come in late into the discussion, but isn't that link you posted for warty?
[09:42] <Xyc0> Deanodriver: you said its integrated, look at the mainboard stats
[09:42] <Deanodriver> 0 snd_via82xx
[09:42] <Deanodriver> ok
[09:42] <chocoIate> liable : http://pastebot.nd.edu/1188
[09:42] <Xyc0> ah fuck it, im playing starcraft
[09:42] <Xyc0> later all
[09:42] <chocoIate> happyfool : what is warty :S
[09:42] <chocoIate> lol
[09:42] <Xyc0> chocoIate: the previous version of Ubuntu
[09:42] <psychonate> crimsun, sorry about leaving there. I was helping a friend who recently installed Ubuntu on his box to try out Linux, but I had to leave.
[09:42] <HappyFool> the original release of ubuntu (october 2004)
[09:43] <HappyFool> chocoIate: named 'the warty warthog'
[09:43] <chocoIate> well, i donno, should that matter though :o
[09:43] <HappyFool> chocoIate: the current release (april 2005) is 'the hoary hedgehog'
[09:43] <Xyc0> yey
[09:43] <chocoIate> i really do not see mISDN anywhere
[09:43] <Xyc0> Hedgehogs rox
[09:43] <chocoIate> i have hoary hedgehog
[09:43] <psychonate> crimsun, I'm just not sure why /dev/dsp is not present
[09:43] <HappyFool> chocoIate: it might, since there's a different link for hoary: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowtoHoary
[09:43] <chocoIate> well, which one is for hoary coz i dont see it anywhere
[09:43] <chocoIate> can you help HappyFool :o
[09:44] <Xyc0> he just did
[09:44] <Xyc0> ^
[09:44] <chocoIate> where
[09:44] <chocoIate> oh
[09:44] <chocoIate> lol
[09:44] <chocoIate> sorry :P
[09:44] <crimsun> psychonate: that's only a secondary issue. You need to ensure that you have only ALSA drivers loaded and that they're being used.
[09:44] <chocoIate> this isdn thingie is getting the better of me :P
[09:44] <chocoIate> brb
[09:44] <Xyc0> chocoIate: be patient when working with linux or youll kill your self
[09:44] <HappyFool> chocoIate: i unfortunately do not have an isdn modem myself, but the instructions on the page seem fairly simple
[09:44] <HappyFool> chocoIate: that package should be on the cd
[09:45] <psychonate> crimsun, I see. Did you see what I pasted before I left?
[09:45] <psychonate> Did that look alright?
[09:45] <crimsun> psychonate: I saw it. Did you ensure that cs4281 is not loaded?
[09:46] <psychonate> I believe I did an 'rmmod cs4281'
[09:46] <chocoIate> well HappyFool, i have tried that already, it didnt really work ; plus on there they show what to do if you have a PCI card, pcmcia and dsl ; i have an external ISDN usb modem
[09:47] <chocoIate> from that same company fritz
[09:47] <crimsun> psychonate: lsmod|grep ^cs4281
[09:47] <chocoIate> avm fritz and the funny thing is it works out of the box on suse
[09:47] <reka> anyone installed the xorg-driver-fglrx-dev package?  it's listed as an optional install on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto for 3d programmers.  i'm wondering whether i should try it out rather than all of the mesa packages etc. that i usually install when i need to create opengl programs.
[09:47] <psychonate> crimsun, I don't have access to the machine atm :(
[09:47] <crimsun> psychonate: that will make it extremely difficult to troubleshoot.
[09:47] <kevin06> If I install KDE on Ubuntu, or GNOME on Ubuntu, are they essentially the same systems?
[09:48] <psychonate> crimsun, I know. I thought I mentioned that I was no longer there, but I may not have.
[09:48] <crimsun> kevin06: kde and gnome are fairly different in default presentation, but they both provide a sane desktop environment
[09:48] <psychonate> crimsun, I will probably look at it again tomorrow. Is there a particular course of action you recommend? I guess I will probably just hop on IRC again.
[09:48] <HappyFool> chocoIate: i don't understand why that DSL USB entry is there. I take it that didn't work for you ?
[09:49] <kevin06> I know the difference in KDE and GNOME, my question was more along the lines of same Ubuntu core...
[09:49] <chocoIate> i didnt really try that since it says DSL ; i dont have dsl
[09:49] <crimsun> psychonate: make sure the oss/free module (cs4281) is not being loaded and that your hardware actually requires it. Also ensure that PnP is not enabled in bios. Try also using the version of alsa-source in universe.
[09:49] <crimsun> kevin06: the core is always the same.
[09:50] <Varanger> I am trying to watch a video using MPlayer and I get very low framerates! whan can I do to increase the framerate?
[09:50] <crimsun> Varanger: are you using accelerated video drivers?
[09:50] <psychonate> Ok. No pnp. No cs4281. Use alsa-source.
[09:50] <chocoIate> let me retry the PCI one, dont see why that shouldnt work for an external modem as well
[09:51] <crimsun> psychonate: you'll need to install alsa-source from universe and build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) from main
[09:51] <chocoIate> if i'm not wrong i rem trying and it failing, but then i tried so many things i lost track lol
[09:51] <psychonate> crimsun, the cs4281 was actually my doing. When I saw that there was no /dev/dsp I assumed, probably incorrectly, that I needed to load some modules :(
[09:51] <crimsun> psychonate: then follow the latter directions in /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian
[09:51] <Varanger> crimsun: I've got DRI working... do I need something else?
[09:51] <HappyFool> chocoIate: try that DSL entry in the wiki page
[09:51] <kevin06> Thanks much!
[09:51] <crimsun> Varanger: for what card?
[09:51] <Varanger> i915
[09:51] <Varanger> crimsun: i915
[09:51] <johan_> what do i need to play mp3 and avi
[09:51] <crimsun> johan_: wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:51] <psychonate> crimsun, could I just use OSS?
[09:52] <chocoIate> brb, thanks everybody. If all is well i will be back connected via ubuntu :P
[09:52] <chocoIate> i will try that also HappyFool
[09:52] <chocoIate> thanks again
[09:52] <chocoIate> much appreciated
[09:52] <psychonate> crimsun, would that be easier and/or sufficient?
[09:52] <crimsun> psychonate: sure, but you'll need to ensure that the alsa modules aren't loaded and that all software is configured to use whatever configuration on top of oss you've configured
[09:52] <psychonate> that sounds fine to me
[09:52] <reka> Varanger: is it a DVD or off the HDD?
[09:52] <psychonate> I merely want sound and the ability to use esd if I need it.
[09:53] <Varanger> reka: a DVD - Region 0 (without an specific region)
[09:53] <reka> Varanger: you probably don't have DMA enabled
[09:53] <Varanger> reka: I can't watch DVD's either
[09:53] <Varanger> reka: I am trying with video files
[09:54] <Varanger> reka: how do I check about DMA ?
[09:54] <psychonate> It's just I originally did not notice a /dev/dsp, so I tried to load a sound module. If the OSS modules had been loaded previously, I don't know why /dev/dsp did not exist. I thought that was a standard device file for sound, and I know it is one that ESD needs.
[09:55] <psychonate> oh well, I guess I should wait until I have access to the box
[09:55] <crimsun> esd can be configured to use alsa, too
[09:55] <reka> Varanger: ?_? if you're getting choppy video from a DVD: http://ubuntuguide.org/#speedupcddvdrom
[09:55] <crimsun> it's just configured by default to use alsa's oss emulation
[09:55] <reka> Varanger: i can't help you with choppy videos that are stored on your HDD.
[09:55] <psychonate> It just sounds like it's going to take more time to get ALSA up and running.
[09:55] <reka> sorry
[09:55] <Varanger> reka: I can't watch DVD... Totem keep reading until it says it can read the DVD
[09:56] <crimsun> psychonate: usually it doesn't, but it requires familiarity with alsa
[09:56] <psychonate> I just want whichever will *work* and do so with less hassle
[09:56] <reka> psychonate: i missed the start of your thread, but you're having sound problems?
[09:56] <reka> Varanger: hmmm, i'm not sure.
[09:57] <psychonate> reka, put in a sound card in a friends box about a day after we installed Ubuntu. We tried to run ESD, but it complained of lack of /dev/dsp.
[09:57] <reka> Varanger: sure the right device is selected in totem's preferences?
[09:58] <psychonate> reka, I thought /dev/dsp was pretty standards, so I figured the sound modules were not loaded; I loaded one.
[09:58] <reka> psychonate: ah, ok.  noob question: are all systems supposed to have /dev/dsp?
[09:58] <crimsun> no
[09:58] <psychonate> beats me
[09:58] <psychonate> all I know is mine does
[09:58] <crimsun> /dev/dsp is provided, through alsa, by snd_pcm_oss
[09:58] <reka> i don't.
[09:58] <Chislon> hi
[09:58] <psychonate> (it is running ubuntu)
[09:58] <reka> psychonate: running gnome?
[09:59] <psychonate> no
[09:59] <crimsun> /dev/dsp is an oss device node, not a standard alsa one
[09:59] <Chislon> i am running ubuntu from the live CD, my first experience with linux...
[09:59] <crimsun> Chislon: great
[09:59] <psychonate> crimsun, but, the oss emulation modules were loaded, weren't they?
[09:59] <crimsun> psychonate: they're nullified when you load an oss driver
[09:59] <psychonate> ah
[09:59] <reka> Chislon: switched from windows?  how do you like ubuntu/linux so far?
[10:00] <Chislon> crimsun, thanks
[10:00] <Varanger> reka: Yes, I am
[10:00] <psychonate> I guess I probably messed it up then.
[10:00] <psychonate> but I didn't think it was working before that either
[10:01] <psychonate> I don't know. I will check tomorrow.
[10:01] <crimsun> there's considerable troubleshooting before we can establish the alsa driver you loaded is in fact the correct one.
[10:01] <Chislon> reka, well not switched, ill dual boot of i can... so far its alright, i havnt done much went to one webpage, signed on to GAIM, thats pretty much it, but i want to learn python, as im told its a good starting language, and they said its alot easier and less costly on linux, plus ive been trying to decide about linux and trying to read up on it... only problem is i want to be able to play windows games, so i cnat fully switch... li
[10:01] <Chislon> nux seems really complicated though, so i wasnt going to do it, but then i talked to the people in #python and if i need it for programming then i want it, and it will be good cuz then ill learn it and stuff as it sounds good, just not great that it cant run windwos games ; )
[10:02] <psychonate> well, the driver I loaded, cs4281, is correct for the card.
[10:02] <Varanger> reka / crimsun: I get choppy videos because I may not have enabled DMA in my SATA HDD
[10:02] <psychonate> I'm fairly sure of this.
[10:02] <crimsun> well then use it instead of alsa's snd_cs4281
[10:03] <psychonate> er, is cs4281 OSS?
[10:03] <crimsun> psychonate: yes.
[10:03] <Chislon> i dont know what to do now...
[10:03] <crimsun> all alsa modules are prefixed with snd_
[10:03] <psychonate> I was not aware of that
[10:04] <psychonate> ahh
[10:04] <HappyFool> Chislon: if you want to learn to program, having linux and windows is probably a good idea
[10:04] <HappyFool> Chislon: have you read the python tutorial?
[10:04] <reka> Chislon: i dual boot as well just for games.
[10:04] <psychonate> so then you are definitely right about it having had both OSS and ALSA modules loaded
[10:04] <psychonate> I had loaded the cs4281 module myself
[10:05] <crimsun> I figured you had, since it was the most recent module you loaded.
[10:05] <deadcat> what do i need to get ipw2100 to kismet?
[10:05] <Chislon> HappyFool, no not yet, and so ill need windows also for programming? do you agree with starting with python? i mostly want to be able to program games really, also want to do animations, so want to do blender, and also i think ill get flash... which another reason i wasnt going to do linux is because if im working in flash, that only works in windows, but i guess crossover works it, but im not going to pay money for crossover...
[10:05] <HappyFool> Chislon: python is a very good first programming language
[10:05] <psychonate> crimsun, should I reload the alsa module then after checking to make sure I have unloaded the OSS module?
[10:06] <crimsun> psychonate: the safest bet is to unload all sound modules, then reload only the alsa driver
[10:06] <crimsun> psychonate: then test with aplay
[10:06] <HappyFool> Chislon: there is a good introductory book calling 'thinking like a computer scientist in python'
[10:06] <psychonate> crimsun, OK, that sounds plausible
[10:06] <HappyFool> Chislon: http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/
[10:06] <psychonate> crimsun, thanks for your help btw
[10:07] <crimsun> HappyFool: what an odd concept :)
[10:07] <psychonate> I will try that out tomorrow
[10:07] <Chislon> HappyFool, thank you
[10:07] <psychonate> goodnight
[10:07] <crimsun> HappyFool: we computer scientists try not to think in specific languages
[10:07] <deadcat> anyone here using ipw2100? i want to know what i need to kismet.
[10:07] <HappyFool> Chislon: it's worth noting that ubuntu has python already installed, and that ubuntu (or at least mark shuttleworth) has a pro-python bias
[10:07] <chohmann> Chilson: I just read an article about different "emualtors" for Linux. One was an variation of the Wine emulator with DirectX support built in specifically for the purposes of playing windows games in Linux. I forget the name of it but I'm sure someone will refresh my memory
[10:07] <HappyFool> crimsun: yeah, i guess it's a silly title ;)
[10:08] <HappyFool> crimsun: ah, sorry, the title is: "How to Think Like a Computer Scientist: Learning with Python"
[10:08] <teebones> chohmann, cedega
[10:08] <sasquatc4> Ive read through the wiki and forumposts, but I still cant get the ati drivers to work on my ati mobility chipset, just wondering if anyone has had any success on the mobile platforms yet
[10:08] <chohmann> teebones: right you are! :)
[10:08] <Chislon> HappyFool, thats kool, though i know nothing about it or what that means.... that looks like its just techinical stuff which i should read, but are there tutorials that actually take you through starting to do programs and stuff like actual ones rather hten just explaining stuff?
[10:09] <HappyFool> Chislon: go to the first example in http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/chap01.htm
[10:09] <Chislon> heh... sorry
[10:10] <Chislon> ok so i need and want linux right? so how do i make sure it all works using this live cd... and will linux boot up faster?
[10:10] <teebones> i3dmaster, wb ;)
[10:11] <i3dmaster> teebones: hi
[10:11] <Chislon> is there anything that windows does that linux cant? or like the way the desktop is, like will i be able to make it all work the same?
[10:11] <HappyFool> Chislon: the live cd should have enough to get by with, i guess. not sure what editor it comes with
[10:11] <crimsun> well, I'm sure you could emulate the BSOD if you really wanted to, Chislon
[10:11] <reka> hehe
[10:12] <teebones> nagesh, wb ;)
[10:12] <Chislon> whats the BSOD
[10:12] <HappyFool> Chislon: it's not identical, but you shouldn't have any problems with ubuntu's desktop
[10:12] <teebones> Blue screen of death
[10:12] <teebones> (BSOD)
[10:12] <Chislon> HappyFool, not sure what you mean, so i dont wnat to fully install ubuntu?
[10:13] <psychonate> lol
[10:13] <HappyFool> Chislon: you mentioned the live cd
[10:13] <i3dmaster> Chislon: I've been fully using ubuntu for a year, no windows at all and I don't find anything I cannot do
[10:13] <Chislon> oh right, and i dont see the bsod much in windows, so if i saw it in linux that would be a huge mark down
[10:13] <HappyFool> Chislon: the live cd is a 'don't install' option
[10:14] <HappyFool> Chislon: to be honest, if you goal is to learn python, maybe you should focus on that. python works perfectly well on windows
[10:14] <teebones> yep
[10:14] <teebones> very nicely
[10:14] <Chislon> i3dmaster, kool, though you cant run some games ill want to be able to play of course... though im very much for linux... i like the idea of it and everything, but still need windows for games at the least ;), though its kool that linux can run WoW, but i dont play that
[10:14] <HappyFool> Chislon: and most of the more popular editors (emacs/vim/what have you) work on windows too
[10:14] <Chislon> HappyFool, but i was told that they are not free in windows
[10:14] <HappyFool> Chislon: and the python games framework (pygame) works on both windows / linux
[10:15] <HappyFool> Chislon: windows is non-free. python is free
[10:15] <i3dmaster> Chislon: I don't play game that much already. for game, I have PS2
[10:15] <teebones> *giggles*
[10:15] <Chislon> i was told that most of the programs i would need to do python are nonfree, like the editors and so on
[10:15] <HappyFool> hmm
[10:16] <HappyFool> emacs is free ;)
[10:16] <Chislon> i have no problem with learning and using linux, but one reason i wasnt going to was to focus on python
[10:16] <teebones> vim too
[10:16] <teebones> ;)
[10:16] <HappyFool> i think 'pythonwin', which is a reasonable editor, is free
[10:16] <i3dmaster> Chislon: wrong, all you need is VI/VIM. not those IDE tools..
[10:16] <Chislon> well i dotn know what any of it  means
[10:16] <crimsun> Chislon: python is platform-independent. Sure, it's nice to develop Python apps on a Free OS, but it's not required.
[10:16] <Chislon> is there an advantage, or is it easier, or better or something to use linux?
[10:17] <Chislon> the point wasnt that the os is free, but that the software i would need to properly program in python isnt free
[10:17] <HappyFool> Chislon: if nothing else, by developing on both systems, you will gain a greater understanding of each
[10:17] <Chislon> i already have windows, but i dont ahve the money to pay for software
[10:17] <teebones> Chislon, well.. there are more tools (ide's and such ) for linux.
[10:17] <Chislon> so then it is easier in some senses on linux?
[10:18] <i3dmaster> Chislon: in all senses...
[10:18] <Chislon> im not really sure how useful knowing how to use linux will be for me, though it could end a big deal if i really get into it...
[10:18] <Chislon> i3dmaster, why in all senses?
[10:18] <teebones> Chislon, in sort of a sense.. yeah it does
[10:18] <HappyFool> python is part and parcel of many linux distributions. whether or not that makes it easier *shrug*
[10:18] <Chislon> teebones, ok thank you
[10:19] <Chislon> so do i need to spend time learning linux before i move into python?
[10:19] <Chislon> i suppose im not really in a rush
[10:19] <popey> ops, semiha^ is a spamming bot, can someone remove please?
[10:19] <i3dmaster> Chislon: once you get use the style of life in Linux, you don't want to go back to a stupid $MS win
[10:19] <teebones> Chislon, for plain python.. no. Though it may come in handy to know linux too.. (commands and such)
[10:20] <HappyFool> Chislon: it might take a little while to get used to the ubuntu desktop, and to setup your hardware, but it's supposed to be easy ;)
[10:20] <Chislon> i3dmaster, i dunno, but the main reason for keeping windows for me, as far as i can tell, is games, i already use thunderbird/firefox/openoffice/gimp/blender on windows.... oh the other reason was for studio mx as i am probably going to get that, unless there is a good animation and game thingy kinda like flash for linux?
[10:20] <Chislon> HappyFool, what exactly are you saying is supposed to be easy?
[10:21] <HappyFool> ubuntu linux is supposed to be easy
[10:21] <Chislon> teebones, i didn tmean like the acutal learning of python would be easier, but do i need to learn linux first in order to be able to effectivly learn python in the sense of running the software and stuff to do it in
[10:21] <teebones> Chislon, i play windows games with cedega (cvs) and wine with DX9 support added
[10:21] <HappyFool> the easiness is usually dependent on how exotic your hardware is
[10:21] <Chislon> HappyFool, oh ok..
[10:21] <i3dmaster> Chislon: well.. i think still lots of guys like you, leave a win for game
[10:22] <Chislon> teebones, but the games run better in windows, plus im not going to pay for cedega, and whats cvs mean
[10:22] <shanon> Chislon: linux/Unix is a programmers OS. They alows you to see what is happening, make changes and they provide a lot of tools to control your system or programs
[10:22] <Kyynara> where would i be able to get some more sources for my sources.list?
[10:22] <teebones> Chislon, cedega = free
[10:22] <i3dmaster> Chislon: I am sort of thinking that playing games in PC is kind of wasting of time.
[10:22] <Chislon> isnt cedega winex which has a subscription fee?
[10:23] <Chislon> i3dmaster, im ok with that, but you should talk to chodapp in python, as he was saying the same thing ot me
[10:23] <shanon> Chislon: I use linux / solaris for everything and use Windows a "games machine" and boot into it when I want to play a game
[10:23] <teebones> Chislon, there are two versions of it. The free and the non-free. Cedega = wineX
[10:23] <crimsun> popey: thanks.
[10:23] <popey> np
[10:23] <reka> Kyynara: there's a sample one on ubuntuguide.org  i'd stick to just main, universe and multiverse though.  marillat and backports can be sketchy.
[10:24] <Chislon> i dont really see how that arguement makes any sense, but i also dont see why people get offended about the software that people have or use, or why they think they have to impart on others that how they do things is right, i am of course not above this, we all do such things, but i think perhaps we could all also agree its a bit silly?
[10:24] <i3dmaster> teebones: ah ok. I did not know that
[10:24] <Chislon> teebones, how does the free one differe from nonefree
[10:24] <shanon> Who is getting offended ?
[10:24] <Chislon> shanon, ok kool... what do you do with solaris, and is solaris unix? or ?
[10:24] <i3dmaster> teebones: so Cedega or winx is something for gaming under linux?
[10:24] <|Ivanch0|> hi sb knows how to refresh mi /dev whitout reboot?
[10:24] <kpeterson> I am trying to get .aac support to work, but I do not see gstreamer0.8-faad in the repositories, even having added hoary-extras.  any ideas?
[10:25] <deadcat> what do i need to get ipw2100 to kismet?
[10:25] <teebones> i3dmaster, yeas
[10:25] <teebones> err
[10:25] <teebones> yes
[10:25] <crimsun> |Ivanch0|: just restart hotplug after restarting udev
[10:25] <Kyynara> reka: but when I tried building today, it started off fine, but then it started putting about 12 pages worth of errors on me. So I would like to have more sources in my sources.list to make sure I have all the needed libraries.
[10:25] <Chislon> shanon, i dunno probably no one here, its probably me doing it, so sorry everyone
[10:25] <i3dmaster> teebones: ok... base on what? wine?
[10:25] <shanon> Chislon: Solaris is Unix. I wont' go into the differences in a linux channel as I don't want to make a big discussion out of it
[10:25] <HappyFool> Chislon: you can probably find more about the free software philosophy at www.fsf.org
[10:25] <teebones> yep
[10:25] <|Ivanch0|> crimsun,  how?
[10:25] <reka> Kyynara: what exactly are you trying to do?
[10:25] <Chislon> shanon, no problem, adn thank you
[10:25] <i3dmaster> teebones: ahh... no wonder. thanks.
[10:25] <crimsun> |Ivanch0|: sudo invoke-rc.d udev restart && sudo invoke-rc.d hotplug restart
[10:26] <Chislon> HappyFool, i think i read that, free as in freedom of speech, right, not neccesarily free in price
[10:26] <Kyynara> I'm trying to install a linux version of action quake2 :)
[10:26] <HappyFool> Chislon: something like that
[10:26] <|Ivanch0|> ok thnks a lot crimsun ;)
[10:26] <Chislon> having full control over ur stuff, ability to make it what you want and such
[10:26] <reka> Kyynara: without seeing the errors, i'd guess you haven't installed build-essential.
[10:26] <reka> which iirc, is in universe?
[10:26] <teebones> Chislon, http://www.transgaming.com/sources.php
[10:27] <HappyFool> reka: no, main. and it's on the cd
[10:27] <reka> HappyFool: thanks
[10:27] <Chislon> one thing is that this doesnt look as sleek as windows, also im wondering if i can change like the load in screen and the color of the bars and stuff, id rather have a green then brown
[10:28] <HappyFool> Chislon: look under system -> preferences -> themes
[10:28] <Kyynara> reka: I hadn't :)
[10:28] <Chislon> teebones, thank you... what is that? its alot to read... heh heh
[10:28] <Kyynara> thanks
[10:28] <reka> Chislon: :-) you'll sone find out that linux desktop customisability is *much* better than windows.
[10:28] <crimsun> Chislon: if you're concerned with sleekness, take a look at themes.freshmeat.net
[10:28] <reka> *sson
[10:28] <reka> *soon
[10:28] <Chislon> HappyFool, thanks, will that allow me to change the default ubuntu log in screen adn such
[10:29] <HappyFool> chislon: you can always try the kde desktop instead
[10:29] <Chislon> reka, im sure your right
[10:29] <Chislon> crimsun, ok thank you
[10:29] <HappyFool> Chislon: no, that's system -> administration -> login screen setup
[10:29] <teebones> Chislon, access to the cvs download of cedega ;-)
[10:29] <Chislon> HappyFool, so much to figure out, ill have to figure out the differences, i take it this is gnome im on now?
[10:29] <Chislon> whats cvs mean
[10:29] <HappyFool> Chislon: the 'standard' ubuntu desktop is gnome, so probably yes
[10:30] <Chislon> teebones oh ok thanks, what is the difference then between that and the pay one, also ... at winehq.org, there database doesnt seem very informative, is there a better list with cedega or someine?
[10:30] <i3dmaster> Chislon: is common version control system management tool
[10:30] <HappyFool> concurrent, i think, not common
[10:31] <Chislon> i need to get going to bed, just wanted to see if this works, the printer wouldnt work, but the printer is connected to another comptuer on the wireless network, so thats probably just a set up thing right? what else should or do i need to check to see if ubuntu works right on my hardware, im using a hp pavilion dv1000 laptop
[10:31] <i3dmaster> HappyFool: ok, good. not remember the full name, but it just a version cotrol stuff
[10:31] <teebones> Chislon, info on cvs : http://www.gnu.org/software/cvs/#TOCintroduction
[10:31] <HappyFool> i3dmaster: fair enough
[10:31] <Chislon> i3dmaster, ok thank you, and sorry for being a jerk earlier about the software stuff
[10:31] <teebones> Chislon, http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/
[10:32] <HappyFool> Chislon: try googling for linux and your laptop model, or ubutun and your laptop model
[10:32] <Chislon> teebones, thank you.... so much to figure out! it will take a long time heh
[10:32] <i3dmaster> Chislon: np. we'r all learning
[10:32] <HappyFool> Chislon: if the printer is connected elsewhere, you'll need to setup samba; that shouldn't be too hard if you're on a home network
[10:32] <Chislon> HappyFool, i went to something like linux laptop and it basically said that slackware and fedora 3 work, someone sent me a link in python room to some guy who had a 1066 and it worked for him but he had to do a bunch of stuff i have no idea about and cant do...
[10:32] <Chislon> i3dmaster, thank you
[10:33] <Chislon> HappyFool, ok kool
[10:33] <Chislon> i dont print much anyways
[10:33] <kimo> I see LVM starting before entering runlevel 2, how do I stop that!
[10:34] <i3dmaster> Chislon: yw
[10:34] <Chislon> one thing i dont like is that in the browser when i click in the url it doesnt highlight it all, can i make it do that?
[10:34] <Mr_Smiley> yes
[10:34] <Chislon> i dont need to know how right now if i can, just wondering, since im supposed to be able to customize everything?
[10:34] <Chislon> ok kool
[10:34] <reka> Chislon: type about:config
[10:34] <reka> in the url bar
[10:34] <Chislon> ok thank you
[10:35] <teebones> and a world of options will await you :)
[10:35] <reka> then search for "selecstAll"
[10:35] <Chislon> the google page looks a bit awkward as compared to windows..?
[10:35] <Mr_Smiley> hmm
[10:35] <Chislon> oh ok thanks, im not going to do that now since this is just the livecd
[10:35] <reka> and set it to true
[10:35] <HappyFool> the google page looks different ?
[10:35] <jnoreiko> anyone managed to get OOo2 beta running on Warty?
[10:35] <teebones> jnoreiko, upgrade to hoary ;-)
[10:36] <Kyynara> reka: It still gives me the same errors...
[10:36] <Kyynara> http://pastebin.com/294973
[10:36] <Kpjas> Hi what should I do that my Firefox could enter extensions (it's 1.0.4 anyway as About box says) ?
[10:36] <Kyynara> I don't know if that will help you, but I'll show it anyways
[10:36] <Chislon> like its the same page, but just looks like its way older or something, if u get what i mean, i guess its just the difference in os.. but it doesnt look as nice as it does in windows, but ... the os shouldnt do that should it, i mean i dunno, the page isnt as smooth as it is in windows though
[10:36] <jnoreiko> teebones, waiting for the CDs in the post :)
[10:36] <teebones> ok.
[10:37] <Mr_Smiley> Kpjas: about:config - set app.version to true
[10:37] <Chislon> i think its the way the text is
[10:37] <jnoreiko> I'd try upgrading via the net, but my connection breaks sometimes, i'm worried that could break everything
[10:37] <Chislon> something about the text is different
[10:37] <HappyFool> Chislon: maybe it's a font thing. i haven't noticed
[10:37] <Mr_Smiley> lol i mean 1.0.4
[10:37] <Mr_Smiley> sorry
[10:37] <Chislon> blockierish maybe
[10:37] <Kpjas> OK Mr_Smiley thnx
[10:37] <HappyFool> Chislon: i think it's tweakable
[10:37] <Mr_Smiley> no problem
[10:38] <Mr_Smiley> its probably a font thing
[10:38] <HappyFool> jnoreiko: i could be wrong, but i think apt downloads everything first, and *then* does the upgrade
[10:38] <reka> Kyynara: is there a readme or website for the program?
[10:38] <Jormundgand> I am pleased with myself, for I have written a HOWTO.
[10:38] <teebones_away> HappyFool, right you are :-)
[10:38] <Mr_Smiley> hehe
[10:38] <Chislon> HappyFool, ok kool
[10:39] <egg|n00b> hi
[10:39] <Chislon> does linux boot up alot faster than windows?
[10:39] <Mr_Smiley> greetings
[10:39] <HappyFool> jnoreiko: and apt can resume downloads. apt really rocks! (says someone who also uses yum)
[10:39] <reka> Jormundgand: nice.  what about?
[10:39] <egg|n00b> say cheeeese
[10:39] <teebones_away> Chislon, depends on your configuration
[10:39] <HappyFool> Chislon: no
[10:39] <jnoreiko> not a lot faster... but a bit faster
[10:39] <Jormundgand> reka: Putting the Firefox logo back into the About box.
[10:39] <Chislon> well with mine does it go faster?
[10:39] <crimsun> egg|n00b: stay on topic, please.
[10:39] <Chislon> ;)
[10:39] <jnoreiko> plus, once it's booted, it's ready
[10:39] <egg|n00b> ...
[10:39] <Chislon> HappyFool, oh
[10:39] <jnoreiko> windows shows you the desktop then spends ages hourglassing
[10:39] <Chislon> if it takes up so much less space why isnt it alot faster
[10:40] <HappyFool> jnoreiko: fair enough
[10:40] <teebones_away> HappyFool, it can be much faster at boot
[10:40] <reka> Chislon: in my experience, no.
[10:40] <Kyynara> reka: http://www.r1ch.net/forum/index.php?topic=440.0
[10:40] <jnoreiko> at least with ubuntu once you can see the desktop, you know you're ready to go
[10:40] <Kyynara> that's the closest it get's
[10:40] <HappyFool> teebones_away: mine isn't, but actually i don't care ;) it's fast enough
[10:40] <teebones_away> hehehe
[10:40] <teebones_away> ;)
[10:41] <HappyFool> teebones_away: though at work with the virus checker *shudder* login takes forever on windows
[10:41] <Chislon> ok kool
[10:41] <teebones_away> *giggles*
[10:41] <Chislon> also someone said they got ubuntu to work on my laptop but still has to check on wifi, card reader), what does that mean?
[10:42] <kvidell> My goodness
[10:42] <kvidell> I'm enjoying a wine imported from New Zealand
[10:42] <kvidell> It's spectacular.
[10:42] <HappyFool> wifi is wireless networking. i imagine that the card reader is a security device of some sort (?)
[10:42] <kimo> I see LVM starting before entering runlevel 2, how do I stop that!
[10:42] <egg|n00b> Chislon:  meant "very good"
[10:42] <kvidell> It's a Sauvignon Blanc
[10:42] <Chislon> i just heard a weird noise...?
[10:43] <Chislon> egg|n00b, sorry i must have missed it, not sure what ur reafering to?
[10:43] <reka> Kyynara: hmm.  a little too cryptic for my feeble mind :-(  try asking crimsun.  it actually looks like something to do with a sound module or something and he seems to know a bit about those.
[10:43] <egg|n00b> Chislon:  nothing is useless in /etc
[10:43] <tsw> which conf file has screensaver options?
[10:43] <Chislon> what is /etc
[10:43] <HappyFool> kimo: maybe you can disable the /etc/init.d/lvm script ?
[10:43] <Chislon> oh and one article the guy suggests ubuntu warty, is that just an older version so this one is better?
[10:43] <tsw> Chislon: /etc holds almost all configuration files
[10:43] <egg|n00b> Chislon:  keep it simple
[10:43] <egg|n00b> Chislon:  KISS rule
[10:44] <HappyFool> Chislon: yeah, i'd go with hoary.
[10:44] <crimsun> kimo: it's fine if lvm runs. If you don't have lvm configured, it just does nothing.
[10:44] <kimo> HappyFool: disable, as in rename/delete it ?
[10:44] <Chislon> im confused now... what am i keeping simple, what is KISS, why are we talking about /etc
[10:44] <kimo> crimsun: yeah, I am worried about boot time
[10:44] <HappyFool> kimo: i defer to crimsun's advice ;)
[10:44] <HappyFool> Chislon: /etc is just a directory which contains config files
[10:44] <Chislon> what was the noise i heard anyone? was it my name being said in here when im not on this screen?
[10:44] <egg|n00b> KISS != kiss @@
[10:44] <ajmitch> kimo: if LVM is not used, the script will exit very quickly
[10:44] <tsw> kimo: you can remove symlinks from /etc/rc2.d/ (but dont remove anything you dont know for shure :)
[10:45] <deadcat> anyone using ipw2100? i cant get kismet to work
[10:45] <kimo> tsw: but this is before rc2, this is init, how do I disable that! No symlinks here
[10:46] <giggsey> Im am in root, but when i try to create a new user using the user and groups it just has the thing loading for a bit, and then does nothing
[10:46] <tsw> kimo: then its in /etc/rcS.d/
[10:46] <HappyFool> Kyynara: at a guess either the code has a bug, or you're missing some header files or something
[10:46] <crimsun> Kyynara: what issue are you having, the mmap /dev/dsp one?
[10:46] <kimo> tsw: thnx :)
[10:46] <tsw> kimo: read the readme file in there
[10:46] <Kyynara> It might be that I'm missing something...
[10:47] <Kyynara> as I only installed ubunta a couple of days ago
[10:47] <deadcat> somebody help me out please.
[10:47] <Kyynara> *ubuntu :)
[10:47] <HappyFool> Kyynara: doesn't the app come with a 'configure' script ?
[10:47] <giggsey> how do i create a new user using shell
[10:47] <crimsun> deadcat: does your wireless work at all?
[10:47] <Mr_Smiley> useradd
[10:47] <egg|24-7> useradd?
[10:47] <giggsey> kk
[10:47] <egg|24-7> adduser?
[10:47] <deadcat> crimsun: ya
[10:47] <egg|24-7> I win
[10:47] <crimsun> adduser is the preferred wrapper
[10:48] <egg|24-7> anyway
[10:48] <egg|24-7> ^____^
[10:48] <crimsun> deadcat: sounds like you have a config issue with kismet then
[10:48] <egg|24-7> I am a n00b
[10:48] <Kyynara> HappyFool: it comes with a makefile, if that's what you are referring to?
[10:48] <deadcat> crimsun: FATAL: Unknown capture source type 'ipw2100' in source 'ipw2100,eth1,centrino'
[10:48] <HappyFool> Kyynara: no, a file called 'configure'
[10:48] <giggsey> thx all
[10:48] <Kyynara> nope
[10:49] <deadcat> crimsun: the card can go monitor mode too. just using default 2.6.10-5 ipw2100 right?
[10:49] <HappyFool> Kyynara: ah. then you need to read the docs to find out what libraries need to be installed for the compile
[10:49] <crimsun> deadcat: I'm not familiar with kismet's interface
[10:49] <kimo> does any semi/official kernel has SWSUSP2 ?
[10:49] <Chislon> what does adding suspend to ram and suspend to disk mean
[10:49] <HappyFool> Kyynara: and then install -dev packages for those libraries
[10:50] <HappyFool> Kyynara: but it should've failed when trying to include files not present
[10:51] <Chislon> what is cpu scaling or cpu frequency scaling?
[10:51] <Chislon>  In common with several other HP notebooks, noapic is needed at boot-up to prevent random freezes.?? what is this about
[10:51] <Kyynara> HappyFool: it did fail, or so I think atleast...
[10:52] <HappyFool> Kyynara: and you commented out the #include line ? ;)
[10:53] <HappyFool> Chislon: you can tweak boot options by editing a file called /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:53] <HappyFool> Chislon: presumably that is what the refers to
[10:53] <mrhicago_> why am i not supposed to install breezy
[10:53] <_Church_of_Foamy> has anyone seen kamping_kaiser lately?
[10:53] <kimo> mrhicago_: unstable :)
[10:53] <HappyFool> cos it's bleeding edge
[10:53] <mrhicago_> ok
[10:54] <mrhicago_> im getting hoary then
[10:54] <johan_> is there a fortran version for 64 in ubuntu
[10:54] <crimsun> g77
[10:54] <kimo> does ubuntu kernel, really not have a SPLASH image ? (sorry too much time with suse:) )
[10:54] <candyban> Hi guys ... erm ... help? ... fsck.jfs / => "The current device is:  /" ... "Superblock is corrupt and cannot be repaired since both primary and secondary copies are corrupt."
[10:55] <candyban> I hope the error is more scary than what I think it means ...
[10:55] <HappyFool> that sounds extraordinarily bad
[10:55] <crimsun> kimo: that's correct. The ideal solution in the developers' eyes is to move the splash into userspace, thereby avoiding kernel bloat.
[10:56] <Chislon> HappyFool, but i dont know how to do that so if thats a problem how do i fix it?
[10:56] <kimo> crimsun: I see a splash kernel boot param! any idea what that does
[10:56] <HappyFool> Chislon: how about don't worry about it until you get random freezes ;)
[10:56] <candyban> "man fsck.jfs" => "man: can't create a temporary filename: Read-only file system" because : "/dev/hda3 on / type jfs (rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro)"
[10:57] <mrhicago_> so transcode is included on install cd
[10:57] <HappyFool> candyban: did you have a power failure or something ?
[10:57] <candyban> This is/was my first JFS filesystem ...
[10:57] <mrhicago_> that would be slick
[10:57] <Chislon> HappyFool, i dunno, and why dont i want FreeBSD
[10:57] <Chislon> or soemthing like that
[10:57] <candyban> HappyFool: not that I know ...  10:57:18 up 6 days, 19:31,  3 users,  load average: 0.12, 0.20, 0.14
[10:58] <HappyFool> Chislon: maybe you do ;) i've never used freebsd
[10:58] <egg|24-7> freebsd? ^_^ good oh
[10:58] <egg|24-7> clean
[10:58] <egg|24-7> fast
[10:58] <egg|24-7> self-style
[10:58] <candyban> HappyFool: Perhaps I should start migrating my home folders on another partition?
[10:59] <_Church_of_Foamy> i say go with ubuntu you can't go wrong
[10:59] <johan_> anyone uses Fortran
[10:59] <_Church_of_Foamy> whats a good p2p program for mp3's and stuff
[10:59] <Chislon> well but this is what i want for programming rihgt?
[10:59] <HappyFool> candyban: my inexpert impression is that your root partition is screwed
[10:59] <johan_> overnet no gui is great
[10:59] <HappyFool> candyban: so, yes ;)
[11:00] <Chislon> how do i know if i have a WEP ?
[11:00] <kimo> _ChurcH_of_FoamY: amule, emule, appolon
[11:00] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> which one is a good one i'm new to linux
[11:01] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> still lol
[11:01] <kimo> _ChurcH_of_FoamY: install amule
[11:01] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> like what would you recommend for a newb
[11:01] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[11:01] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> can you apt-get it>'
[11:01] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> ?
[11:01] <kimo> yep
[11:01] <kimo> _ChurcH_of_FoamY: apt-cache search p2p
[11:01] <kimo> :)
[11:02] <candyban> When I installed Ubuntu, I came in here asking if JFS was stable or not ... don't remember who told me but they assured me it was as stable/robust as the other filesystems
[11:02] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[11:02] <kimo> _ChurcH_of_FoamY: or use synaptic
[11:02] <kimo> _ChurcH_of_FoamY: just search for p2p
[11:02] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats what i was just gonna do ^_^
[11:02] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> synaptic rocks!
[11:02] <candyban> Perhaps I should stick to XFS instead
[11:03] <HappyFool> how about dear old ext3 ?
[11:03] <mrhicago_> just hope it works all right on my laptop
[11:03] <mrhicago_> what version of the kernel does it use
[11:03] <HappyFool> 2.6.10
[11:04] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> where is the sources.list located?
[11:04] <kimo> Anyone know how to start suspend, so I test if it works here!
[11:04] <HappyFool> /etc/apt
[11:04] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> thanx
[11:04] <mbd> can i change to kde ?
[11:04] <kimo> mbd: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:05] <candyban> Hmmz ... it seems that it only happened like a couple of minutes ago ...
[11:05] <kimo> Anyone know how to start suspend, so I test if it works here!
[11:06] <Chislon> how do i know if i have WEP please?
[11:06] <kimo> Chislon: ask your network admin
[11:06] <chaitatp> hello world
[11:06] <chaitatp> about the sources.list
[11:06] <chaitatp> at the 'deb-src'
[11:06] <egg|24-7> hello lusers
[11:07] <chaitatp> is it for fetching source codes?
[11:07] <kimo> chaitatp: if u ask it too
[11:07] <Chislon> whose that lol
[11:07] <Chislon> kimo
[11:07] <mrhicago_> so it should not have any probs with my external hdd and dvd burner then
[11:07] <egg|24-7> ji
[11:07] <mbd> kimo : thanks for help it's about 300 Mega
[11:08] <kimo> mbd: kde is big :) (not that big though!)
[11:08] <chaitatp> kimo, so if i don't want software's souce codes, i just comment that line?
[11:08] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> whats wrong with the backports servers?
[11:08] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> my syn gave me like a shitload of errors regarding backports servers
[11:09] <kimo> chaitatp: yeah
[11:09] <chaitatp> kimo, GOOD
[11:09] <chaitatp> kimo, thank you
[11:10] <kimo> Anyone know how to start suspend, so I test if it works here!
[11:10] <Hajuu> Hey there! Is there a way I can get apache2 to give me a slightly more... diagnostic display when I start it?
[11:13] <johan_> can you play mp3 and video with ubuntu and what package do i need
[11:13] <reka> johan_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Restrictedformats
[11:13] <megabit> Hi can you help me? I wqant to install Kde 3.3 but I dont know what must I write to apt-get?
[11:13] <johan_> thanks
[11:13] <Hajuu> johan_:  Read the FAQ.. It reveals all.
[11:14] <reka> megabit: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:14] <tsw> any idea where to find screensaver options file?
[11:14] <HappyFool> Hajuu: take a look in the logfiles (/var/log/apache ?), or look at the docs. I think there're options to make apache more verbose, and a foreground mode
[11:15] <xukun> anyone now where I can find themes for xfce?
[11:15] <Hajuu> heh the docs for apache2 aren't very helpful.. and theres no docs for apachectl
[11:15] <Hajuu> thus why I asked
[11:15] <candyban> doing an fsck on / (while mounted) ... should be fun ...
[11:15] <__Rob> hey all, i just installed ubuntu and the login screen is displaying at a rather bizarre and unreadable resolution.. how can i change this so i can see what i'm doing and log in?
[11:16] <reka> xukun: JFGI http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/964/
[11:16] <mindmedic> __Rob: try "Ctrl" + "alt" + "Numpad+"
[11:17] <mindmedic> to switch through available resolutions
[11:17] <Hajuu> Woah!
[11:17] <Hajuu> I didn't know about that!
[11:17] <Hajuu> how funky
[11:17] <Hajuu> heh
[11:17] <mindmedic> __Rob, which graphics card do you own?
[11:17] <_ChurcH_of_FoamY> whats the command to run clamav?
[11:17] <__Rob> mimdmedic: i have a laptop with no numpad
[11:17] <candyban> Heh ... it fixed the partition ...
[11:17] <__Rob> i'm running in a virtual machine right now
[11:17] <mindmedic> you should have an "fn" key to emulate the numpad
[11:18] <candyban> I hope I didn't loose too much data (everything is still running, so I guess that's good
[11:18] <mindmedic> __Rob, vm?
[11:18] <HappyFool> Hajuu: http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/programs/httpd.html  -- try the -X option
[11:18] <HappyFool> candyban: so it's sorted?
[11:18] <candyban> HappyFool: I hope so ... I remounted / in rw and it didn't complain anymore
[11:19] <__Rob> mindmedic: vpc7.. none of the resolutions are working
[11:19] <mindmedic> i don't know if ubuntu runs with that sorry...
[11:20] <mindmedic> there are often problems (and workarounds) for running various distros in pc emulators
[11:20] <candyban> HappyFool: I first ran an fsck.jfs -n -v /dev/hda3 ... then I ran fsck.jfs -f -v /dev/hda3 (and it cleaned/fixed some stuff)
[11:20] <candyban> HappyFool: dunno what will happen if I reboot
[11:20] <HappyFool> candyban: backup first
[11:20] <HappyFool> ;)
[11:20] <DXT> I'm getting "Authorization Required" errors with the backports repo when trying to apt-get update, what do I need to do?
[11:21] <reka> DXT: sudo apt-get update
[11:21] <mindmedic> do you run ubuntu in a window, or fullscreen?
[11:21] <candyban> HappyFool: no more reboots for me ... uptimes of "forever" :)
[11:21] <megabit> reka: But I have got a bit of link in sources.list. Can you write me witch deb I must here write. (sorry I am from czech republic and I dont know english so much)
[11:21] <DXT> reka: Yeah, I get the error when I do just that..
[11:22] <reka> DXT: then it's probably a problem with the backports server.  try a mirror
[11:22] <HappyFool> DXT: try browing the backports url with a web-browser to check if you get the same error
[11:22] <DXT> ok
[11:22] <__Rob> mindmedic: every other distro (and win xp) has been fine -- it emulates a S3 trio 4mb card
[11:22] <kimo> how do I start suspend!! in kde?
[11:23] <HappyFool> kimo: is there no 'hibernate' or similar option when you logout ?
[11:23] <Hajuu> start suspend?
[11:24] <Hajuu> oh
[11:24] <kimo> Hajuu: is this the command
[11:24] <kimo> HappyFool: nope
[11:24] <Hajuu> suspend always creeped me out.
[11:24] <Chislon> how come my clock is way off?
[11:24] <reka> megabit: what happens when you do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:24] <kimo> anyone knows the command to start suspend
[11:24] <Hajuu> Chislon:  double click your clock and go "synchronize"
[11:25] <reka> Chislon: probably b/c you set it up wrong during the install stage
[11:25] <Chislon> it never asked me about the clock
[11:25] <mindmedic> __Rob, well, i dont' use it, and i can't really help you, good luck though
[11:25] <Chislon> and i cant double click it, a calender comes up then goes away
[11:25] <reka> Hajuu: don't think that works for gnome
[11:25] <HappyFool> Chislon: it might think your clock is utc (greenwich time) instead of 'local time'
[11:25] <reka> Chislon: right clikc -> adjust
[11:25] <megabit> reka: It sazs I cant find kubuntu-desktop.
[11:26] <Hajuu> cp "/etc/apache2/mods-available/mod_php4*" "/etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*"
[11:26] <Hajuu> Whats wrong with that?
[11:26] <HappyFool> or right-click clock -> properties and look at the settings
[11:26] <HappyFool> Hajuu: no star in the destination
[11:26] <HappyFool> and no quotes
[11:26] <reka> megabit: post your sources/list in http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/
[11:27] <reka> megabit: and send the link here.
[11:27] <Hajuu> cp: cannot stat `/etc/apache2/mods-available/mod_php4*': No such file or directory
[11:27] <HappyFool> Hajuu: no quotes
[11:27] <EarthSage> Linux n00b here ... need to know how to install programs
[11:27] <Jormundgand> EarthSage: Synaptic.
[11:27] <EarthSage> eh ?
[11:27] <reka> EarthSage: easy route: system->admin->synaptic
[11:27] <HappyFool> Hajuu: try     cp /etc/apache2/mods-available/mod_php4* /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/
[11:28] <Chislon> HappyFool, reka, ok thank you
[11:28] <EarthSage> ok found that
[11:28] <candyban> EarthSage: n00b answer : man apt-get
[11:28] <EarthSage> now i want to install Xmms
[11:28] <Hajuu> yeah that works heh
[11:28] <EarthSage> its sitting on my volume somewhere
[11:28] <Chislon> sync didnt do anything, i guess i have to set it first?
[11:29] <EarthSage> but what do i do to add it
[11:29] <Hajuu> Is it just when working with variable filenames like that that I shouldnt use quotes?
[11:29] <HappyFool> Hajuu: you only need quotes in specific instances
[11:29] <Hajuu> cause some of my directorys have spaces in their names..
[11:29] <HappyFool> Hajuu: typically funny filename characters, or spaces in filenames
[11:29] <Hajuu> yeah I didnt think it would cause an error though
[11:29] <HappyFool> you can also quote the space using \
[11:29] <reka> EarthSage: search for it.  then right-click when found and mark for installation.  then apply.  read the synaptic manual for more info
[11:29] <Hajuu> yeah I knoticed that when using dir
[11:30] <Hajuu> how do I display files in a list?
[11:30] <Hajuu> rather than a "blob"
[11:30] <EarthSage> i must not have done it right
[11:30] <Hajuu> heh
[11:30] <HappyFool> Hajuu: if you're going to be using the command line a lot, i'd avoid spaces in file or directory names
[11:30] <reka> EarthSage: FYI, beep-media-player is nicer
[11:30] <EarthSage> i have a tar.gz file ....
[11:30] <HappyFool> Hajuu: ls -l
[11:30] <EarthSage> do i extract that first ... and to where?
[11:30] <Hajuu> HappyFool:  I only have spaces in them when ive extracted old archives from my windows days
[11:30] <jaysin> i cant get gnome baker to burn cds... it worked fine yesterday, now nothing
[11:30] <Hajuu> ok.. can I get a list without all the details?
[11:30] <EarthSage> Ill check all those nice things out when im able to install at all
[11:30] <reka> EarthSage: that's called installing from source.  installing programs via synaptic is *much* easier and recommended for newbies
[11:31] <xukun> I just installed xfce, what a great sfaff
[11:31] <HappyFool> Hajuu: 'man ls'
[11:31] <reka> EarthSage: in short, use synaptic to install programs rather than downloading the programs from the website
[11:31] <EarthSage> ok well ... from the top, what do i do?
[11:31] <Ediablo> Anyone knows a repository that got libxml-simple-perl and working?
[11:33] <HappyFool> EarthSage: you probably need to setup synaptic to download software
[11:33] <HappyFool> EarthSage: it's not very complicated. in synaptic, follow from the menu: Settings -> Repositories
[11:34] <jjzhou> jjd fds
[11:34] <reka> HappyFool: i'm helping him out in pm.  thanks though
[11:35] <HappyFool> reka: cool
[11:35] <megabit> reka, http://www.webpark.cz/megabit/    - this is my sourceslist
[11:35] <Hajuu> if I do something like make an alias for "ls" so that it runs "ls -l -w" instead.. will that break something heh
[11:35] <Hajuu> ?
[11:35] <HappyFool> no
[11:35] <beto> hola
[11:36] <beto> alguien que hable espaol?
[11:36] <HappyFool> ls is often aliased to 'ls --color=auto' or something anyway
[11:36] <__Rob> is it possible to make ubuntu automatically log on as a user?
[11:36] <HappyFool> beto: /join #ubuntu-es
[11:36] <beto> como puedo configurar tvtime ???
[11:36] <beto> ok
[11:36] <HappyFool> __Rob: yes. System -> Administration -> Login screen setup
[11:36] <__Rob> HappyFool: thanks
[11:36] <reka> HappyFool: mind helping megabit out?  he's trying to install kde but i think his sources list is borked.  he's linked his sources list above.
[11:36] <MonkeyMagic> Can someone help a newbie...  Installed Ubuntu, the AMD64 varaint, but my wireless NIC is not supported, so I need to use ndiswrapper.  I downloaded their .DEB distribution, but who on earth do I use a .deb?  I spent 30 minutes trying to figure out, before rebooting into windows, to ask here :-(
[11:36] <beto> thank you HappuFool
[11:36] <HappyFool> reka: will do
[11:37] <reka> thanks
[11:37] <HappyFool> beto: ok. hope you get help there ;)
[11:37] <kimo> HappyFool: yes common alias
[11:37] <kimo> MonkeyMagic: dpkg -i deb
[11:37] <mindmedic> cool topic :)
[11:37] <Hajuu> Yay! Finally got my webserver up and running!
[11:37] <MonkeyMagic> ahh, still Linux even ubuntu is not ready for desktops...
[11:37] <Hajuu> :D
[11:38] <MonkeyMagic> the old commandline..
[11:38] <Hajuu> MonkeyMagic:  Once setup it can be.
[11:38] <kimo> MonkeyMagic: cant u find ndis from synaptic
[11:38] <Hajuu> But not for everyone
[11:38] <mindmedic> commandline is as new as everything else
[11:38] <kimo> MonkeyMagic: so that ubuntu is ready for desktop ;)
[11:38] <MonkeyMagic> no it's not in there
[11:38] <Jormundgand> MonkeyMagic: 9,999 times out of 10,000 Ubuntu works perfectly. The remaining one can generally replace their hardware with Linux-supported tech and petition the vendor.
[11:38] <HappyFool> megabit: um. i'm not an expert, but it looks to me like you have warty and hoary repositories there
[11:39] <MonkeyMagic> I also get a solid lockup on shutdown.  Will this go once I get the network running an update?
[11:39] <HappyFool> megabit: are you running warty or hoary at the moment ?
[11:39] <Hajuu> and tonight I do an apt-get upgrade heh
[11:39] <Hajuu> to get 120mb of updates
[11:39] <kimo> Hajuu: I am downloading my updates in the office :)
[11:39] <MonkeyMagic> I was kinda stuck, as I could not install the src version of ndiswrapper either, as no kernel sources were installed, and I could not find them in the package manager either.
[11:39] <mindmedic> MonkeyMagic, see it as evolution. As a child you point you finger on things you want ("dadda dadda"). Later you learn to speak and form a better way of describing things you want done.
[11:40] <MonkeyMagic> but suprised, as this is the massive DVD ISO, and no kernel sources????
[11:40] <kimo> mindmedic: very nice way of seeing things
[11:40] <kimo> why does ubuntu use 386 kernel!! not 686
[11:41] <Hajuu> uhh
[11:41] <Hajuu> I take it you mean i386...
[11:41] <megabit> HappyFool: I dont understand. - are you running warty or hoary at the moment ? (I dont download nothink.))
[11:41] <kimo> yeah
[11:41] <Hajuu> That's the standard CPU architecture
[11:41] <topyli> kimo: that's the default installation kernel. you can install another kernel after install
[11:41] <mindmedic> not by me, read it somewhere, but i think the comparison is neat.. even my girlfriend prefers the imagemagick tools to some "resize frontend"
[11:41] <Hajuu> pretty much all modern cpus use that
[11:41] <HappyFool> MonkeyMagic: install linux-source-2.6.10
[11:41] <kimo> topyli: how
[11:41] <Hajuu> besides macs
[11:41] <Ediablo> What's wrong here? W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/libx/libxml-libxml-common-perl/libxml-libxml-common-perl_0.13-5_i386.deb
[11:41] <Ediablo>   404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.138 80] 
[11:41] <Bolga> Hi all !
[11:41] <Ediablo> In Synaptic that is
[11:42] <mindmedic> 404 not found
[11:42] <HappyFool> megabit: how did you install ubuntu ? and when ? and have you upgraded ?
[11:42] <mindmedic> its not there
[11:42] <Bolga>  anyone from FINLAND here ?
[11:42] <topyli> Bolga: yes
[11:42] <mindmedic> try apt-get update, or choose another repository
[11:42] <HappyFool> megabit: 'warty warthog' is the october 2004 release of ubuntu. 'hoary hedgehog' is april 2005
[11:43] <Hajuu> woah
[11:43] <Hajuu> well then
[11:43] <Hajuu> heh
[11:43] <Hajuu> catchas all later
[11:43] <mindmedic> bye
[11:44] <egg|24-7> overflow?
[11:44] <egg|24-7> @@
[11:44] <HappyFool> Ediablo: try again. looks like a server problem.
[11:44] <megabit> HappyFool, I install ubuntu from DVD - ubuntu linux 4.10 updated linux+ edition - 03.2005 - i dont upgrade ubuntu.
[11:44] <Bolga> topyli, do you receive my private messages ?
[11:45] <HappyFool> megabit: ok, hang on a moment
[11:46] <megabit> HappyFool, But I hink i must add some link to sources.list.
[11:46] <HappyFool> megabit: ok, it looks like kubuntu-desktop is only available in the newer release (ubuntu linux 5.04)
[11:46] <HappyFool> megabit: is there a reason you have not upgraded ?
[11:47] <megabit> HappyFool, upgrad is apt-get upgrade or download new version ubuntu?
[11:48] <CoRzA> i need some help i bought a new video card and now ubuntu wont work i think it needs xfree86 (as stated on the box) i tried apt-get xserver-xfree86 but that done barely anything
[11:48] <HappyFool> megabit: using apt-get, but 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
[11:48] <gm78> CoRzA: what kind of video card?
[11:48] <HappyFool> megabit: this will require a large download
[11:49] <CoRzA> gm78: nvidia 6200 256mb
[11:49] <HappyFool> megabit: hang on
[11:49] <HappyFool> megabit: you can get kde-3.2 in warty (ubuntu 4.10)
[11:49] <gm78> CoRzA: do you have Nvidia's drivers from their website installed?
[11:49] <CoRzA> it wont let me startx
[11:49] <HappyFool> megabit: according to this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[11:49] <HappyFool> megabit: that will be quite easy
[11:49] <gm78> CoRzA : but did you install nvidia's drivers?
[11:50] <megabit> HappyFool, I try it. Thanks.
[11:50] <HappyFool> megabit: you need to fix your sources.list for that
[11:50] <HappyFool> megabit: is kde-3.2 good enough ?
[11:50] <CoRzA> how do i do that?
[11:50] <CoRzA> shouldnt ubuntu detect it on install?
[11:51] <Jormundgand> CoRzA: In an ideal world, yes, but I think the nVidia drivers are closed-source, so they won't be on the CD and only main and restricted are enabled by default.
[11:51] <HappyFool> megabit: your sources.list should look like this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/GM98eD80.html
[11:51] <EarthSage> am i still here?
[11:51] <HappyFool> megabit: oh, hang on
[11:51] <CoRzA> hmmm how come it didnt work when i done "apt-get xserver-xfree86"
[11:51] <HappyFool> megabit: that's wrong..
[11:51] <CoRzA> install*
[11:51] <Akrame> hi
[11:52] <Akrame> Katrinka is spamin
[11:52] <Jormundgand> CoRzA: Hoary uses X.org.
[11:52] <HappyFool> megabit: corrected: http://rafb.net/paste/results/51TD7i57.html
[11:52] <CoRzA> yes but cant u override it
[11:52] <Jormundgand> Doubt it.
[11:52] <HappyFool> megabit: and then run 'sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install kde-core'
[11:53] <CoRzA> beh its prolly easier if i find another distro
[11:53] <HappyFool> what's wrong with xorg?
[11:53] <CoRzA> it doesnt work with my video card
[11:53] <megabit> HappyFool, I write apt-get dist-upgrade and there is only 200MB to download.
[11:53] <HappyFool> megabit: woah!
[11:53] <HappyFool> megabit: have you changed your sources.list to point to hoary?
[11:54] <HappyFool> megabit: and remove those kubuntu / kde repostories
[11:54] <HC|Idler> CoRzA which video card is that
[11:54] <HappyFool> kubuntu is in the main ubuntu repositories, no need for outside sources
[11:54] <xukun> how do Install the xfce themes?
[11:54] <CoRzA> 6200 256meg
[11:54] <megabit> HappyFool, sources.list to point to hoar - what?
[11:54] <CoRzA> Nvidia*
[11:55] <HappyFool> megabit: you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list before doing dist-upgrade
[11:55] <HC|Idler> Nvidia should work
[11:55] <theD3viL> How to set up windows-1250 encoding?
[11:55] <CoRzA> well it doesnt
[11:55] <gm78> CoRzA : No, you need to install the Nvidia drivers, you will on any distro. Any mainstream distro does not include the drivers because they are not open source
[11:55] <megabit> HappyFool, And what I must write to source list?
[11:55] <HappyFool> megabit: i'll tell you now.
[11:55] <HappyFool> megabit: i'm just checking to make sure
[11:56] <HC|Idler> CoRzA nvidia is one of the best supported drivers there are
[11:56] <CoRzA> gm78: i put Knoppix in before and it works fine
[11:56] <HC|Idler> ehm what you haven't installed the nvidia drivers?
[11:56] <gm78> well, open your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and tell me which display driver is installed
[11:57] <odie5533> I just installed a new sound card, how do I enable it?
[11:57] <CoRzA> i'd have to restart my computer to do that
[11:57] <Akrame> nO
[11:57] <gm78> CoRzA : what are you in right now?
[11:57] <gm78> Windows?
[11:57] <CoRzA> yes
[11:57] <megabit> HappyFool, You say only you need to change sources.list - but I dont know how.
[11:58] <Akrame> megabit
[11:58] <HappyFool> megabit: i will tell you now ;) please be patient
[11:58] <Akrame> read !
[11:58] <floater_> someone tell me how to get my audio wurk. I don't have that dev/dsp .. How do I modprobe it, what file, what ,woot, I have awe 64 sound card on old p2 400mhz
[11:58] <HappyFool> megabit: ok, this is the page i was looking for: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[11:58] <HappyFool> megabit: i'll put up an example sources.list on pastebin. hang on
[11:58] <odie5533> How do I enable a new sound card?
[11:59] <aLeSD> hi, someone know a program to copy my DVD ?
[12:00] <HappyFool> megabit: here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/bKnkGh13.html
[12:00] <HappyFool> megabit: use gedit to edit /etc/apt/sources.list, e.g., 'sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list'
[12:01] <megabit> HappyFool, Thanks very much. I use mc.
[12:01] <HappyFool> megabit: um. maybe 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list' in that case
[12:01] <floater_> I need some serious assistance. I have no idea how to get it wurk
[12:01] <HappyFool> megabit: i'm not familiar with mc
[12:02] <HappyFool> megabit: when that's done, you need to do 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[12:02] <HappyFool> megabit: and *then*, to get kde, do 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'
[12:02] <raghu> aLeSD: apt-cache search "dvd"
[12:04] <floater_> thanks
[12:04] <floater_> bye
[12:05] <HappyFool> floater_: try asking again at another time. no soundcard gurus on at the moment.
[12:06] <megabit> HappyFool, It is very good irc. I byught yesterday a notebook and I couldnt install debian on it but with ubuntu isnt problem.
[12:07] <HappyFool> megabit: interesting. ubuntu is based on debian, so that's a little surprising.
[12:07] <HappyFool> megabit: you are managing to make it work ?
[12:10] <megabit> HappyFool, No I need it to school. (I think you asked at this) - I am from czech republic. And i dont know english so much.
[12:11] <HappyFool> megabit: cool :). No, i meant, is the dist-upgrade working correctly?
[12:11] <HappyFool> megabit: don't worry, your english is quite good!
[12:12] <megabit> HappyFool, I write it and i must download 500MB I thinked it wil by over 1GB.
[12:12] <Akrame> svpl , qq saurai a quel heure c la final roland garros filles ?
[12:12] <Jormundgand> Hey, a fellow EU citizen!
[12:13] <HappyFool> megabit: eek
[12:13] <theD3viL> How to set up windows-1250 encoding?
[12:13] <megabit> HappyFool, What is eek?
[12:14] <HappyFool> megabit: sort of like 'wow', only with fear ;)
[12:14] <HappyFool> megabit: i'm on dialup (i.e., modem) -- 1GB is about three days download time
[12:14] <HappyFool> ;)
[12:14] <listi> haiii
[12:14] <vampire12> hi everybody
[12:15] <Chand> hi
[12:15] <vampire12> how are u
[12:15] <saber_> hey has anyone ever tried partimage?
[12:15] <reka> HappyFool: i'm on dialup too. :-/  good job helping. it seems like you sorted him out.  i think i would have been stumped. :-)
[12:15] <megabit> HappyFool, Mz speed is about 22KB/s
[12:16] <ekCo> how do i update to new nvidia drivers?
[12:17] <stijndg> acx111 is not working for my wireless network card. How do i remove it so i can use ndiswrapper,
[12:17] <ekCo> ??/?
[12:19] <reka> saber_: no, but it sounds good.
[12:19] <hramrach> Hello
[12:20] <hramrach> I tried installing Ubuntu GNU/Linux
[12:20] <hramrach> But base-config never finishes.
[12:20] <saber_> reka: yeah it looks really promising. It is even included in Feather Linux (a usb flash drive distribution). Its a promising method of backing up any system onto an FTP server.
[12:20] <saber_> but my only question is how stable it is.
[12:20] <hramrach> After installing packages, it starts a shell. When I quit the shell, it starts another..
[12:21] <Akrame> what do you think about
[12:21] <Akrame> damn small linux
[12:21] <ronybeck> how do I install kernel source using aptget?
[12:21] <saber_> so i was wondering if many people have done a bare metal restore around here ...
[12:21] <Jormundgand> hramrach: You mean it opens a terminal window?
[12:22] <ronybeck> saber_, I have using mondo rescue
[12:22] <hramrach> no, it's in text
[12:22] <reka> ronybeck: apt-cache search linux-source
[12:22] <reka> install the one that matches your current kernel
[12:22] <reka> uname -a
[12:22] <saber_> cool. mondo rescue looks good for linux machines... but doesn't seem to offer much for windows machines easily
[12:23] <saber_> damn small linux looks like a good distribution too
[12:24] <ronybeck> saber_, you want to restore a windows machine?
[12:24] <saber_> well, i want to be able to backup linux and windows machines
[12:24] <hramrach> Is there some place where I should look to see why it is failing?
[12:24] <shanon> saber_: How are you going to backup the windows machine?
[12:24] <ronybeck> saber_, I thought mondo did that
[12:24] <saber_> it does, but only if the machine already has linux installed on it
[12:25] <ronybeck> reka, thank you
[12:25] <reka> np
[12:25] <saber_> my laptop doesn't have linux... i could install it, but i kind of want to keep my laptop windows only
[12:26] <shanon> saber_: You can boot linux cd, dd laptop disk to a network mounted drive
[12:26] <hramrach> I'd backup a Windows machine with Norton Ghost, or dd, or just copying the files I want
[12:26] <saber_> but then the client needs nfs right?
[12:27] <saber_> and the server needs to be setup for nfs?
[12:27] <hramrach> saber_: you can also copy over ssh, ftp, ..
[12:27] <shanon> saber_: Will you need to copy the image to somewhere. You can use any way
[12:27] <hramrach> samba even
[12:28] <saber_> nah samba doesn't work
[12:28] <saber_> i thought of that already... windows xp doesn't expore the entire file system
[12:28] <hramrach> It works for me
[12:28] <saber_> so you can't do a "complete" backup
[12:28] <mez> lmao
[12:28] <shanon> You can use samba to mount a remote drive
[12:28] <shanon> to copy to
[12:28] <ronybeck> saber_, why not just dd the disk to a file ;)
[12:28] <mez> Ressam_F^ is linking everyone who joins to a page where it downloads a Windows Virus
[12:29] <shanon> You can only do that if you have enough space on a seperate local partition
[12:29] <saber_> yeah i got that too, mez... i don't know if it had a virus, but i got the advertisement
[12:29] <Hajuu> hey uhm
[12:29] <Hajuu> I just downloaded limewire
[12:29] <Hajuu> and it came as a .bin file
[12:29] <mez> Well... i assume it was a virus :D
[12:29] <Hajuu> what am I meant to do with that?
[12:29] <ronybeck> Hajuu, run it :-)
[12:30] <ronybeck> Hajuu, ./some.bin
[12:30] <reka> bin - binary exectuable iirc
[12:30] <saber_> shanon, what method could i use that wouldn't touch the local disk?
[12:30] <ronybeck> man apt-get shits on yum.  I am a fan
[12:30] <Hajuu> root@ubuntu:/home/hajuu/apps # ./LimeWireLinux.bin
[12:30] <Hajuu> bash: ./LimeWireLinux.bin: Permission denied
[12:30] <saber_> lets say i boot knoppix and want to send my disk with dd over ssh
[12:31] <saber_> is that possible?
[12:31] <saber_> or even ftp... both are setup right now
[12:31] <shanon> saber_: maybe
[12:31] <ronybeck> Hajuu, chmod +x LimeWireLinux.bin
[12:31] <shanon> saber_: ftp no
[12:31] <mez> apparently clamav says it's not a virus
[12:31] <ronybeck> Hajuu, then try executing it again
[12:31] <shanon> saber_: You need to pipe the output of dd (or whatever) to scp
[12:31] <Hajuu> uhm
[12:31] <shanon> saber_: I am not sure if you can do that I would have to have a look
[12:32] <Hajuu> can I get the java virtual machine through apt-get ?
[12:32] <saber_> well, that's some good advice
[12:32] <saber_> i'm sure there's a way to have a client accept input from stdin
[12:32] <ronybeck> Hajuu, prolly.  If not it isn't that hard to install from Sun's site
[12:32] <shanon> saber_: You may be able to specify the input file in scp as standard input
[12:32] <Hajuu> heh im not too good at compiling stuff
[12:33] <saber_> then i could use md5deep to perform a checksum on the data
[12:33] <ronybeck> Hajuu, you compiling foo is low?  ;)
[12:33] <Hajuu> whoops
[12:33] <Hajuu> accidentally dc
[12:33] <saber_> but would dd copy the entire partition or only the parts of the partition that actually had data on it?
[12:34] <saber_> like my disk can hold 60gb, but i'm only using 17gb of it
[12:34] <saber_> dd would need to have information about a particular file system (ext3, vfat, ntfs...) right?
[12:35] <shanon> saber_: I am pretty sure dd will copy the whole partition but if you compress it the unused part would compress done to almost nothing
[12:35] <saber_> ah that's a good solution
[12:35] <shanon> saber_: no dd does not do a filesystem backup. It does a raw data backup
[12:35] <saber_> well, if you compress data verification becomes difficult
[12:36] <shanon> saber_: Why?
[12:36] <saber_> well, i would tend to use checksum's to verify the data
[12:36] <shanon> ah ok
[12:36] <saber_> you can't directly compare the local data and the remote data if it becomes compressed
[12:37] <Hajuu> you can if you take the checksum of the compressed file
[12:37] <Hajuu> ;)
[12:37] <saber_> then you need to compress the data locally and then compare it
[12:37] <saber_> to the remote checksum value
[12:37] <Hajuu> ofcourse you need to compress it locally
[12:37] <saber_> i think that's too much work
[12:37] <shanon> I guess you need to test your solution.
[12:37] <Hajuu> you think the connection is just going to magically compress it?
[12:37] <saber_> well i guess you could
[12:38] <shanon> It should work fine
[12:38] <baluba> hi
[12:38] <shanon> saber_: You could also tar over scp a ro mounted NTFS system. But I would trust it less than dd
[12:38] <saber_> let me go look at some man pages
[12:38] <spanglesontoast> does anyone know much about dri etc on the normal driver for ati?
[12:39] <saber_> heh the more i think about it
[12:39] <darth_schmoo> What's the best way to upgrade to firefox 1.0.4?
[12:39] <saber_> the more i think i need to give an learn bacula
[12:39] <saber_> i mean..  the more i think about this problem, the more i realize i just need to stop being lazy and learn bacula
[12:40] <saber_> for being able to backup any type of system onto a dedicated machine on a network
[12:40] <Jormundgand> http://daringfireball.net/misc/2005/05/ok-button-dialog.png - Requesting more error messages like this in Ubuntu. Ubuntu needs Zen error messages.
[12:40] <shanon> A premade backup solution is a good choice if you don't want to put the time into building your own
[12:41] <saber_> have you tried anything like that?
[12:41] <Jurku> Jormundgand: :-)
[12:42] <hdo781> Can someone help me change my screen resolution to 1024 by 768?  It's at 640 by 480 right now.
[12:43] <saber_> which window manager do you use?
[12:43] <hdo781> Gnome
[12:43] <saber_> if its gnome/kde, you should be able to find it from their "start menu"
[12:43] <jnoreiko> in gnome it's Computer > system conf > screen res
[12:44] <jnoreiko> but all available resolutions might not be listed
[12:44] <hdo781> Not all the available resolutions are listed.
[12:44] <jnoreiko> well on Warty I did it by editing the x11 config file (whatever it's called)
[12:44] <hdo781> Only one resolution is listed and it's small
[12:45] <jnoreiko> but Hoary is a different X so it might be different
[12:45] <hdo781> What did you edit in xorg.conf?
[12:45] <tigermb> why is wx linked with gtk1?
[12:46] <saber_> hdo: look inside of /etc/X11R6/ or /etc/X
[12:46] <spanglesontoast> can I get details of the ati driver
[12:46] <saber_> actually its /etc/X11/
[12:46] <hdo781> saber:  I'm there right now.  I just don't know what to edit.
[12:47] <saber_> looks like i would edit /etc/XF86Config-4
[12:47] <jnoreiko> I'm still on Warty so I don't know what xorg looks like
[12:47] <saber_> sorry /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[12:47] <hdo781> I'm using xorg, not xfree
[12:47] <jnoreiko> in /XF86Config-4, look at Section "Screen"
[12:48] <tigermb> xorg.conf
[12:48] <jnoreiko> look for anything that looks like resolutions
[12:48] <saber_> find /etc -name *xorg* -print
[12:48] <spanglesontoast> can you tell me how to enable 3d accel in the normal "ati" driver not fglrx
[12:49] <tithai> heelo
[12:49] <hdo781> I'm in xorg.conf and I see the screen resolutions, but what do I edit to make 1024 by 768 the default?
[12:49] <hramrach> bye
[12:49] <jnoreiko> do you see resolutions n the text file that the GUI doesn't list as options?
[12:50] <theD3viL> How can i mount cdrom with win-1250 encoding?
[12:50] <saber_> look around the file.. make changes... backup your file first :)
[12:50] <saber_> for me its: mount /dev/hda /mnt/cdrom
[12:50] <hdo781> Okay.
[12:51] <shanon> Has anyone got mythtv running on ubuntu ?
[12:51] <Hajuu> yeah I still have some files which I made hidden in windows which im unable to see on this cd.. :S
[12:51] <Hajuu> tiz annoying me
[12:51] <saber_> yours might be different depending on where the device is attached
[12:51] <djp> any audacity users here?
[12:51] <Hajuu> shannon: where in aus are you!
[12:51] <xukun> how do I switch between themes in xfce
[12:51] <jnoreiko> I use audacity on OS X
[12:51] <shanon> Hajuu: Melbourne
[12:51] <theD3viL> saber_, but if i write this its encoding iso-9885-2
[12:51] <Tannin> hi all
[12:51] <Hajuu> bah
[12:51] <Hajuu> bloody eastern staters
[12:51] <Hajuu> heh
[12:52] <djp> jnoreiko: i really need help with using it under hoary. basically the mp3 feature does not work
[12:52] <saber_> sorry, i've never dealt with any language other than english so i wouldn't know how to do it without researching
[12:52] <Tannin> Can anyone tell me if there is a way to run a script after the system recovers from suspend-to-ram/suspend-to-disk?
[12:52] <luka> Hello. I just upgraded to breezy. But now when I try to start X (with gdm or startx), X server fails and complains something about missing fixed font. Is there a way to correct this problem? Please help.
[12:53] <Jormundgand> luka: Reinstall Hoary. All problems should vanish in three-quarters of an hour.
[12:53] <jnoreiko> djp, have you installed the mp3 encoder? that's not in the basic install
[12:53] <luka> Jormundgand: apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[12:54] <djp> jnoreiko: that is the problem. i have installed the libmp3lame.so file but it does not work. basically it just records a silent file of no size!
[12:54] <Determinist> luka, read the topic
[12:54] <Jormundgand> luka: Heck, however you want to downgrade. I personally recommend using the CD, but it's your lookout.
[12:55] <luka> ok
[12:55] <djp> jnoreiko: however, a work around appears to be to save your work in audacity as a .wav file and then convert to mp3 using lame itself. that works. i would just like to know why audacity does not work when using libmp3lame.so?
[12:55] <nbvk> can anyone tell me how to change the mysql db user password
[12:57] <raghu> nbvk: http://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/MIRRORS/ftp.mysql.com/doc/en/Default_privileges.html
[12:57] <nbvk> thanks mater
[12:59] <nbvk> -r
[01:00] <tigermb> why is wx built with gtk1 on hoary?
[01:02] <baluba> are these the instructions to follow to upgrade from hoary? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyUpgradeNotes
[01:02] <djp> no one else use audacity here under ubuntu?
[01:03] <goldfish> djp: i did briefly
[01:04] <djp> goldfish: did you get the mp3 side of things working?
[01:04] <robin_> breezy ??
[01:04] <tigermb> djp: yes i have audacity
[01:04] <djp> tigermb: are you running it under hoary?
[01:05] <djp> tigermb: have you managed to save your work as an mp3 using the audacity export feature?
[01:06] <goldfish> djp: nope
[01:06] <goldfish> djp: if i recall it needs some lame package ?
[01:06] <goldfish> djp: i think the lame packages is in the repos somewhere.
[01:06] <goldfish> -s
[01:06] <tigermb> djp: no the problem is that you need another lame package i think
[01:06] <djp> goldfish: yeah. i have installed the necessary files but audacity cannot save the mp3 file correctly
[01:07] <goldfish> djp: ugh :/
[01:07] <kimo> launching 'hibernate' it says, my kernel doesnt have swsusp2 !!! How does anyone hibernate here!
[01:07] <nbvk> i followed the ubuntuguide on how to setup mysql/apache/php but i want to change the mysql user password how?
[01:07] <nbvk> it says )
[01:07] <Hajuu> I dont hybernate heh
[01:07] <nbvk> ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: NO)
[01:08] <djp> tigermb: i have tried using liblame0, liblame-dev... neither work. they install the libmp3lame.so file but even though audacity finds the file and tells me lame is installed, when i save my work to mp3, the file is silent and appears to b 0kbs in size!
[01:08] <spanglesontoast> how do I force install a dpkg
[01:09] <spanglesontoast> *in
[01:09] <Hajuu> force install?
[01:09] <thenuke> --force?
[01:09] <Hajuu> if it doesnt install.. theres most likely a reason.
[01:09] <djp> goldfish: i have installed the necessary lame files, audacity appears to find the correct file but when i use the export feature the created mp3 file is empty (or makes a weird sound on ocassions)!
[01:09] <saber_> spangle: i know you can do things like: dpkg -i --ignore-depends=package-name     some_file.deb
[01:10] <raghu> nbvk: join #ysql
[01:10] <spanglesontoast> ah
[01:10] <spanglesontoast> ty
[01:10] <saber_> --ignore-depends must be stated for every package, you can't use commas
[01:10] <thenuke> --force wont stop on any error
[01:10] <raghu> nbvk: join #mysql
[01:11] <raghu> nbvk: by default root can login ...your loging as user?
[01:11] <nbvk> what do u mean login
[01:12] <raghu> nbvk: login as whom?
[01:12] <nbvk> what am i logging into?
[01:12] <raghu> nbvk: you installed just now or it was working before?
[01:12] <spanglesontoast> that still doesn't work
[01:12] <spanglesontoast> sudo dpkg -i --ignore-depends=xlibmesa-gl fglrx-6-8-0_8.12.10-2_i386.deb
[01:13] <nbvk> nbvk: it is all working i just want to change the root user password
[01:13] <raghu> nbvk: just a sec
[01:13] <nbvk> whoops
[01:13] <nbvk> i am checking this site... http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/resetting-permissions.html
[01:14] <tigermb> djp: you need another package which is not in ubuntu rep
[01:15] <raghu> nbvk: try this
[01:15] <raghu> nbvk: mysqladmin -u root password yourpassword
[01:16] <nbvk> is password the current password and yourpassword the new password or is yourpassword the current password?
[01:17] <raghu> your new password
[01:17] <raghu> nbvk: try this .....http://www.psoft.net/HSdocumentation/sysadmin/mysql_pass.html
[01:17] <djp> tigermb: can you point me in the direction of what i need?
[01:18] <nbvk> ok
[01:18] <djp> tigermb: or better still, could you email me your libmp3lame.so file so that i can see whether i can get things working with that?
[01:18] <Mark> having some probs with my install.  I have no networking support, as I have a wireless card, I need to update, as ubuntu hangs on shutdown every time.  I know my card is supported by ndiswrapper, but it's install needs kernel sources, and I cant get the kernel sources from Synaptic.  Help......
[01:19] <tigermb> djp: i told you that it doesnt work with me either, you should not just put a libmp3lame.so in /usr/lib, that won't work, get the lame source and compile the shit yourself would be a sollution
[01:19] <nbvk> raghu: it is coming up with the same error
[01:21] <spanglesontoast> can anyone tell me about forcing the install of the ati driver off the ati website?
[01:21] <djp> tigermb: no, you did not tell me it did not work for you, but you have now, so thanks. i gather you have not tried compiling lame from source yourself, otherwise you would know whether it would be worth doing so...
[01:22] <tigermb> djp, i know it is worth, because i do have libmp3lame.dll on win32 audacity
[01:23] <djp> tigermb: i am using ubuntu hoary here
[01:23] <tigermb> hmm i seem that i do have the file
[01:23] <tigermb> one second
[01:24] <chaitatp> which program do you use the burn cds?
[01:24] <tigermb> k3b
[01:24] <tigermb> no doubt the best burning prog
[01:25] <chaitatp> thanks
[01:25] <raghu> nbvk: can you login to mysql wit your old password?
[01:25] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> but k3b needs kde
[01:25] <tigermb> so waht, install with synaptic and voila
[01:26] <chaitatp> ToutPT|ppc|fr, OOps
[01:26] <chaitatp> not thank you
[01:26] <tigermb> djp: do: ls /usr/lib/libmp3*
[01:26] <chaitatp> ToutPT|ppc|fr, any other
[01:26] <raghu> nbvk: mysqladmin -u root password yourpassword           just use this coomand when it prompts for password type your old or current command
[01:26] <tigermb> gnomebaker
[01:27] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> i don't know: i m on kubuntu
[01:27] <chaitatp> tigermb, sound good
[01:27] <tigermb> not as good as k3b though
[01:27] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> this was just a warning
[01:27] <nbvk> ok thanks raghu
[01:27] <tigermb> but its makeing progress
[01:27] <raghu> nbvk: yourpassword =new password                     when it prompts for password give old one
[01:28] <chaitatp> does 'cdrecord' from the ubuntu repositories works like a charm?
[01:28] <chaitatp> or do i have to configure it with some effort?
[01:28] <djp> tigermb: the files listed are libmp3lame.so.0, libmp3lame.so.0.0.0 and a link that i made, libmp3lame.so
[01:29] <raghu> nbvk: any luck?
[01:30] <nbvk> nope
[01:35] <Chislon> how come my web browser seems slower on this than on windows, is it cuz im using the livecd?
[01:36] <IIIEars> Chislon - Yes - the Hard disk swapfile will speed things up if you decide to install Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[01:36] <IIIEars> y
[01:37] <Chislon> woay, wahts Kubuntu?
[01:37] <Chislon> er woah
[01:37] <IIIEars> uer woah?
[01:37] <Kingmilo> Hi guys. Is there a document managment solution for linux? Basically store and index all your documents, making it easily available from one application?
[01:37] <Chislon> what? i dunno, but what is Kubuntu?
[01:38] <IIIEars> Chisoln - Ubuntu uses the Gnome desktop environment and Kubuntu uses KDE.
[01:38] <Chislon> oh
[01:38] <Chislon> ok
[01:39] <Chislon> is there a big difference between the two?
[01:39] <Chislon> kde and gnome that is
[01:39] <Chislon> i know its a huge war or something right?
[01:40] <egg> what wars?
[01:40] <IIIEars> If you have used Knoppix knoppix uses KDE. - Both Gnome and KDE are very good Gnome runs more easily on a wider variety of hardware.
[01:41] <wdh> Chislon, sure there is
[01:41] <Chislon> i dont know,
[01:41] <Chislon> ok ubuntu i sthe only thing i think ive used
[01:41] <Chislon> unless i did a long time ago and i dont remember
[01:42] <wdh> Chislon, if you would like to try kde as well.. just install the package 'kubuntu-desktop' through synaptic.. and choose KDE in 'session' at login prompt
[01:42] <BoD_SWAT> Please help! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39116   (in search of a FTP client with SSL encrypted data channels)
[01:42] <IIIEars> pretty cool eh?
[01:42] <nomasteryoda> gftp
[01:42] <IIIEars> You can always choose.
[01:42] <Chislon> wdh, i have no idea what that means^^
[01:43] <BoD_SWAT> gftp doesn't encrypt the data channels ( I have tried, as is said on the web-forum)
[01:43] <Chislon> ya its kool, but i dotn know enough yet
[01:43] <Chislon> why linux over freebsd?
[01:43] <BoD_SWAT> nomasteryoda, gftp doesn't encrypt the data channels ( I have tried, as is said on the web-forum)
[01:43] <nomasteryoda> BoD_SWAT, is ssh not encrypted?
[01:43] <robin_> what is breezy ?
[01:44] <BoD_SWAT> nomasteryoda, yes, the login. But the data channels aren't
[01:44] <Seveas> Amaranth, congrats with your package making it into the ubuntu repos!
[01:44] <IIIEars> In windows you have to cruise around the web looking for downloads with Ubuntu (Debian) linux you have "Synaptic" just open it type in what you want and click install.
[01:44] <BoD_SWAT> nomasteryoda, I mean SSL
[01:44] <nomasteryoda> BoD_SWAT, k
[01:44] <IIIEars> Thats wonderful Amaranth. :)
[01:44] <nomasteryoda> guess i need to find one too
[01:44] <drummer87> hi, why does flash seem to use heaps of processor power.. when i play a flash, it lags and the cpu usage is at about 80-90% ??
[01:45] <egg> robin_:  a ubuntu codename
[01:45] <robin_> egg: the latest development releae
[01:46] <BoD_SWAT> Please help! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39116   (in search of a FTP client with SSL encrypted data channels) --> Anyone else?
[01:48] <drummer87> ?? it's only with flash movies i think.. but i can see no process using that much power.. any ideas?
[01:48] <tsw> BoD_SWAT: hmm why wont you use sftp ?
[01:49] <anton__> hi - i am new here and have a question about why in ubuntu the python2.3-ctypes is at v. 06.3 while debian has 0.9.x ??
[01:49] <pushups> ubuntu wont see th dhcp on my network during install
[01:49] <pushups> but debian will
[01:49] <pushups> why
[01:49] <Seveas> BoD_SWAT, why do such difficult things?
[01:50] <Seveas> just use sftp or install openssh-server and use scp
[01:50] <Seveas> anton__, because debian updated it after hoary froze
[01:51] <anton__> ?? in 2004 ??
[01:51] <pushups> ?
[01:51] <BoD_SWAT> tsw, Seveas, because I find it 'safe' to use SSL and because all is encrypted then. I also have a lot of Windows clients and it works fine there :-x
[01:51] <pushups> any1?
[01:51] <IIIEars> <<- 6th week with linux. What a joy :)
[01:52] <IIIEars> pushups - I wish i could help.
[01:52] <tsw> BoD_SWAT: sftp is secure and all is encrypted. and there are plenty of windows clients to play with
[01:53] <tsw> BoD_SWAT: also one less process / deamon / open port with sftp
[01:53] <IIIEars> pushups - are you using ubuntu now?
[01:53] <anton__> Seveas, ok - are you sure the hoary freezing is the reason ? ctypes 0.9 started last year..
[01:54] <IIIEars> pushups - Being kinda new i would try to install a graphical firewall "firestarter" and try to adjust the DHCP settings using that.
[01:54] <Juhaz> it doesn't matter when it started upstream, but when it was packaged and included in debian repositories
[01:54] <BlackShuck> Getting lockups on shutdown, AMD64 system.  Happens every time. ubuntu 5.04
[01:54] <BlackShuck> Is this a known problem?
[01:54] <IIIEars> likely not the answer you were looking for.
[01:55] <BoD_SWAT> tsw, is SSH so much more secure than SSL? And If you use SFTP you need to open a port with which you can also login (SSH login screen), right?
[01:56] <tsw> BoD_SWAT: not really shure wich one is more secure ( I would bet on ssh or equal ) and yes you need to have ssh port open, but for my installs it is already open :)
[01:56] <jayson_I> how many CD Ubuntu?
[01:56] <Chislon> so if i have a question about linux, do i need to ask a ubuntu person because if i ask soemoen with a different distro it might not be the same? so basically just ask in here?
[01:56] <tsw> BoD_SWAT: and I think you can disable shell access for users and only allow sftp
[01:57] <BoD_SWAT> tsw, I didn't know I could do that :D
[01:57] <raghu> nbvk: you there?
[01:57] <BoD_SWAT> tsw, I think I have to change it all now.... :-/
[01:57] <pushups> firestarter?
[01:57] <IIIEars> jayson - Ubuntu is a one CD install but there are versions for Mac, 64bit, and PC's
[01:57] <pushups> what?
[01:57] <tsw> BoD_SWAT: well this was only one solution :)
[01:58] <raghu> MSG nbvk
[01:58] <chocoIate> thats it, i'm a bit tired of ubuntu ; its just way too hectic to configure my modem ; while on suse it works out of the box
[01:58] <chocoIate> does anybody know if it will be any easier for me on  fedora :o
[01:58] <IIIEars> pushups - it has a GUI (sheepish grin) i dn't know how to edit configs for firewall settings.
[01:58] <BoD_SWAT> tsw, yes, but I want a working solution. And I hate the fact the linux doesn't have a proper FTP SSL client :( (yet, there are enough servers which DO support it)
[01:58] <chocoIate> maybe i should just move on and look at other distors :P
[01:59] <liable> chocoIate: no, if it works in suse, it'll work in ubuntu
[01:59] <tsw> BoD_SWAT: iirc I user something like gnomeftp some time ago
[01:59] <pushups> dhcp?
[01:59] <liable> chocoIate: you have suse installed still?
[01:59] <tsw> s/user/used
[01:59] <anton__> Seveas , right the first 0.9 debian - 0.9.2.1 -  was Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:58:05
[02:00] <IIIEars> chocolate - NP - likely Suse or Knoppix will work for you. - I tried them and liked Ubuntu better.
[02:01] <BoD_SWAT> tsw, thanks for your help, but I guess I still have to keep looking around
[02:01] <liable> chocoIate: its really hard to help you when you have to reboot though to do stuff. So, when you try to do something you need to write doen what you did, what errors you get and possibly paste the relevent config files.
[02:01] <tsw> BoD_SWAT: np, good luck with your search :)
[02:02] <chocoIate> well, nothing happens liable ; i tried exactly those steps on the isdnhowto
[02:02] <chocoIate> and boom ; a big nothing
[02:02] <chocoIate> sudo pon ppp0 <-- after having configured through admin-networking
[02:02] <liable> chocoIate: well, did you get errors, did you edit the file right? are he right modules loaded?
[02:02] <chocoIate> and i just end up on the next line
[02:03] <Max> hello
[02:03] <chocoIate> the module is loaded. its only the capi module, i see it with lsmod
[02:03] <Max> hi synd
[02:03] <BlackShuck> how do I get a newer AMD64 ubuntu kernel?
[02:03] <Chislon> if im not doing servers does the difference between distros or freebsd adn such really matter much?
[02:03] <liable> chocoIate: you have suse installed too?
[02:03] <IIIEars> chocolate - could you help with pushups - DHCP question? He can't get a DHCP assigned address.
[02:03] <chocoIate> no, i got suse on live cd
[02:03] <BlackShuck> do I compile it myself, or are there stock kernels available?
[02:04] <Max> is the synaptic is not available in xfce4??
[02:04] <chocoIate> and on suse, it just simply works out of the box ; it detects my modem and shows it in the list of available modems
[02:04] <chocoIate> and all i needed to was configure
[02:04] <chocoIate> and it worked nicely
[02:04] <IIIEars> uBlackShuck - there are a bunch of kernels available - no comling unless you want to. - Yaay! :)
[02:04] <chocoIate> even my soundcard worked really nicely in suse
[02:05] <chocoIate> without a big problem
[02:05] <liable> chocoIate: answer the q, do you still have it installed?
[02:05] <chocoIate> but suse costs money which i do not want to invest :P
[02:05] <liable> suse
[02:05] <Max> hello...
[02:05] <BlackShuck> 2.6.10, or anything newer?  I get lockups during shutdown, and hoping a new kernel may fix it...
[02:05] <liable> ffs, no you dont have to pay for suse
[02:05] <djk1> Having a bit of trouble with games not 'filling' the whole screen. Using fglrx driver on ATI Mobility M10 (9600). Any ideas how to make it 'stretch' to fill the screen?
[02:05] <Max> is synaptics is not available in xfce4??
[02:05] <chocoIate> i have suse on live cd, i just run it on the cd, i cant install it on my harddisk, this is the live version
[02:06] <IIIEars> BlackShuck - not too sure - 2.6.11?
[02:06] <Max> chocoIate, but the problem with live cd is that i have to configure my internet conection everytime i run from the cd
[02:06] <chocoIate> exactly
[02:06] <chocoIate> its only for evaluation
[02:06] <chocoIate> to test that everything is working the way it should and you are happy
[02:07] <chocoIate> i am happy but i do not want to purchase :P
[02:07] <anton__> mako hi! the 70 ubuntu-cds have arrived in ixopo the other day
[02:07] <Max> chocoIate,  so i have finally installed ubuntu 64.. i had fedora 3 earlier
[02:07] <chocoIate> suse only supplies older versions free, the newer one you must buy it or wait till it gets old so you can download it freely + with these free ones there is no live update etc
[02:07] <BlackShuck> how would I go about getting 2.6.11 kernel?  download of kernel.org, or is there a ubuntu way?
[02:07] <ivoks> you should skip 2.6.11 :)
[02:08] <BlackShuck> came from Gentoo, and there were Gentoo kernel packages available, is this true also of ubuntu?
[02:08] <raghu> BlackShuck: ubuntu has 2.6.11
[02:08] <Max> can anyone answer me????
[02:08] <Max> plzx
[02:08] <BlackShuck> how do I get it?
[02:08] <chocoIate> so back to my problem. I have tried out step by step every available guide on ubuntu as to how to configure my isdn modem which has supported drivers
[02:08] <ivoks> BlackShuck: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.11
[02:08] <IIIEars> BlackShuck - Open synaptic and search kernel - you can get kernel images headers and source the same way
[02:08] <djk1> Having a bit of trouble with games not 'filling' the whole screen. Using fglrx driver on ATI Mobility M10 (9600). Any ideas how to make it 'stretch' to fill the screen?
[02:08] <liable> chocoIate: dude, borrow a laptop from a friend, then come back so we can help you through it, while you are logged into ubuntu
[02:09] <ivoks> Max: ?
[02:09] <Max> ivoks, is synaptics available in xfce4?
[02:09] <chocoIate> i can login from my suse live cd, but how can that help, i'd be on suse. I want to configure ubuntu not suse :/
[02:09] <ivoks> Max: synaptic is application, works in every window manager
[02:09] <Max> ivoks, i cant find it here..
[02:10] <ivoks> Max: open terminal and enter synaptic
[02:10] <Max> ivoks, how do i run it. can u plz guide me/
[02:10] <ivoks> pardon, gksudo synaptic
[02:10] <ivoks> :)
[02:10] <IIIEars> System >> Administration >> Synaptic package manager
[02:10] <ivoks> IIIEars: xfce
[02:10] <ivoks> :)
[02:10] <IIIEars> uoh - lol
[02:10] <Max> ivoks,  how do i log as root?
[02:11] <ivoks> Max: gksudo synaptic
[02:11] <IIIEars> Max - sudo
[02:11] <raghu> Max: sudo bash
[02:11] <Max> great running
[02:11] <liable> chocoIate: you can see your modules that are needed, and copy the config files over
[02:11] <IIIEars> Root Sudo   -- http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:11] <djk1> Anyone know anything about my issue?
[02:12] <ivoks> djk1: 16:9?
[02:12] <bjoern__> how can i enable java in openoffice?
[02:12] <djk1> well, just any sort of true fullscreen mode would be nice
[02:12] <djk1> right now the game starts up in, let's say 1024x768
[02:12] <ivoks> djk1: you have 16:9 screen?
[02:12] <djk1> my laptop screen is 1400:1050
[02:12] <Max> ivoks, my tv card is not running here
[02:12] <djk1> ye
[02:12] <ivoks> djk1: that's bios problem
[02:12] <djk1> oh?
[02:12] <ivoks> djk1: for example
[02:12] <refuze2looze> has anybody compiled ScummVM from source?
[02:12] <ivoks> djk1: i define this behavoir in bios
[02:13] <djk1> oh I see, so it's fixable?
[02:13] <ivoks> djk1: but i have nvidia
[02:13] <djk1> ah right
[02:13] <djk1> what exactly do you define in the bios?
[02:13] <ivoks> djk1: yeah... look in your bios
[02:13] <ivoks> djk1: i don't recall egxact name
[02:13] <djk1> Hmmm..
[02:13] <ivoks> djk1: but you can't miss it
[02:13] <djk1> Ok I'll have a look
[02:13] <djk1> Thanks
[02:13] <ivoks> djk1: np
[02:13] <IIIEars> ivoks - look in the bios? - What do you look for?
[02:13] <djk1> maybe be back... :>
[02:14] <djk1> yeah I'm slightly confused about how the bios has anything to do with it
[02:14] <djk1> but willing to give it a go
[02:14] <ivoks> IIIEars: streaching 4:3 over 16:9 displays
[02:14] <ivoks> djk1: it's easy
[02:14] <djk1> k
[02:14] <djk1> going to try!
[02:14] <ivoks> djk1: laptop != desktop
[02:14] <ivoks> your VGA card is controled via bios
[02:14] <Max> anyone?? my floppy has a driver for linux of my tv card.. any idea how do i install it??
[02:15] <IIIEars> Not too sure dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg owouldn't do that sounds like and xorg fix to me.
[02:15] <ivoks> IIIEars: it isn't
[02:15] <ivoks> Max: what card?
[02:15] <IIIEars> Hey i am new remember? - lol
[02:15] <Max> ivoks, its a TV card . mercury made
[02:16] <ivoks> Max: you have to be more spcific
[02:16] <Max> ivoks, a TV tuner card.
[02:16] <raghu> ivoks:it is TV tuner card
[02:16] <ivoks> wow
[02:16] <ivoks> :))
[02:16] <ivoks> i tought it's bycicle
[02:16] <Max> thankx raghu :))
[02:17] <raghu> Max: np
[02:17] <ivoks> Max: open terminal and run lspci in it
[02:17] <pushups> hm
[02:17] <Jormundgand> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=263198 - This bug is annoying the heck out of me. It happens on ubuntuguide.org.
[02:17] <ivoks> it will tell you more than you apparenty know about ur computer
[02:17] <Max> ivoks, whats the command?
[02:17] <IIIEars> pushups - ?
[02:17] <ivoks> Max: then read from output tv card
[02:17] <ivoks> Max: lspci
[02:18] <IIIEars> ouch - It is a handy command.
[02:19] <Max> ivoks, i have no idea..
[02:19] <CorvusCorone> moin
[02:19] <ivoks> no?
[02:19] <ivoks> then i have no comment :)
[02:19] <Max> ivoks, when i entered lspci .. i got some output in the terminal
[02:20] <egg> Max:  and?
[02:20] <ivoks> Max: and that confuses u?
[02:20] <saber_>  # ssh remote_host "dd if=device bs=blocksize"| tar xvBf -
[02:20] <saber_> http://www.backupcentral.com/dd-conduit.html
[02:20] <djk1> There was no such option ivoks.
[02:20] <djk1> Back to square 1..
[02:20] <saber_> there we go
[02:20] <ivoks> djk1: no?
[02:20] <IIIEars> Max - Maybe i can turn something up. what model is it?
[02:20] <saber_> because dd can do stdin and stdout at the same time
[02:20] <djk1> When I start a game it starts in whatever resolution in the bottom left of the screen with black bars around the top and right
[02:21] <djk1> instead of using the whole screen
[02:21] <djk1> doesn't matter what resolution I pick in-game either.
[02:21] <ivoks> djk1: same thing for me, when I disable streching in bios
[02:21] <IIIEars> nice link saber :)
[02:21] <djk1> well there's no option in my bios
[02:21] <egg> dd-- dump,pipe...and so on
[02:21] <egg> old story
[02:21] <Max> IIIEars, hmm
[02:22] <trixsey> Hey
[02:22] <trixsey> Anyone around??
[02:22] <ivoks> djk1: then i don't know
[02:22] <ivoks> djk1: bottom line... linux doesn't control that
[02:22] <IIIEars> << - Google is this newbs new best friend. - grin
[02:22] <ivoks> djk1: your bios/vga card does
[02:22] <Max> IIIEars, PAL
[02:22] <ivoks> Max: that's not model
[02:22] <ivoks> Max: run lspci
[02:22] <trixsey> Anyone here good with ubuntu? I'm a nAAb needing some help with unloading a few modules
[02:23] <ivoks> Max: and read it's output
[02:23] <IIIEars> That is the broadcast standard type
[02:23] <trixsey> ivoks
[02:23] <ivoks> Max: you will see Video device or something like that there
[02:23] <ivoks> if that's too hard, then i don't know...
[02:23] <Max> plz dont mind
[02:23] <Max> 0000:00:05.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7130 Video Broadca st Decoder (rev 01)
[02:23] <ivoks> there... you see..
[02:24] <trixsey> :)
[02:24] <trixsey> Hello
[02:24] <ivoks> trixsey: ?
[02:24] <trixsey> I need help :(
[02:24] <ivoks> and slaping me will help you?
[02:24] <IIIEars> sudo lspci  will give you some info. i will google the model and we'll meet with a solution somewhere in the middle.
[02:24] <trixsey> Yes :)
[02:24] <ompaul> that be debian testing but you know that already
[02:24] <Max> ivoks, next?
[02:24] <ivoks> ompaul: yes
[02:24] <trixsey> I'm being cute with you, ivoks
[02:24] <trixsey> Seducing you
[02:24] <ivoks> sec...
[02:24] <ompaul> ivoks, kewl
[02:24] <ivoks> to help ompaul
[02:24] <ivoks> ompaul: it's very easy, in fact..
[02:25] <ompaul> ivoks, dist upgrade?
[02:25] <ivoks> ompaul: with tweaking :)
[02:25] <ompaul> k
[02:25] <Max> xfce4 is faster than GNOME i suppose...
[02:25] <ivoks> ompaul: you have to create /etc/apt/preferences
[02:25] <ivoks> ompaul: in it you have to have (on query):
[02:25] <andrew137> Hi there.  Had some problems with installing Ubuntu on AMD64 and found some fixes/workarounds for them.  Is there some easy way such as an e-mail address where I can submit it to the Ubuntu project?
[02:26] <Max> ivoks, to access MS Windows partition do i need to create any folder in linux ?
[02:26] <ivoks> ompaul: now enter repositories for hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:26] <trixsey> andrew137, www.ubuntu.com? :p
[02:26] <Max> andrew137, what kind of problems??
[02:26] <ivoks> ompaul: and do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:27] <thenuke> Max: maybe like /mnt/windows  so you can then mount that windows partition into that directory
[02:27] <trixsey> thenuke, you good with Ubuntu?
[02:27] <thenuke> trixsey: depends on
[02:27] <andrew137> I've looked at the site, thanks.  There isn't an obvious link saying "Send any feedback to this address" and I have a lot to do, which is why I'm asking.  But if it's not valuable, that's no problem.
[02:27] <Max> thenuke, i am able to mount a NTFS partition.. but not a FAT32 partition.. but the partitions are not showing in linux
[02:27] <we2by> any one has skype installed?
[02:28] <andrew137> Max: It was mainly that Grub wouldn't work afterwards, so my system was unbootable
[02:28] <ompaul> ivoks, and a minor tweek of the sources.list :)
[02:28] <lqs> there's a script that auto mounts windows filesystems
[02:28] <ivoks> ompaul: but... remove sarge's repositorys
[02:28] <Jormundgand> Hmm. Anyone else get gnome-panel crashing when loading EasyTAG 1.99.3?
[02:28] <andrew137> There was a lot on Google about it.  But also it seemed that only ext2 was compiled directly into the default kernel (reiser and ext3 were modular), so it wouldn't boot unless the rootfs was ext2
[02:28] <ompaul> there is that
[02:28] <trixsey> I got an AC97 audio device, and the OSS that comes with Ubuntu doesnt work too well with it. If I change audio output module to eSound it sounds like shit (with OSS it doesnt sound at all :p) So I upgraded OSS, but it says I already have conflicting sound drivers.. sound works great untill I reboot.. then the old drivers are loaded... The older OSS modules are autoloading on boot
[02:29] <ivoks> Max: for your tv card to work, you have to do only "sudo modprobe saa7134"
[02:29] <IIIEars> Max - some sample xorg configs foer wide screen and dual monitorshttp://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-26284.html
[02:29] <BockBilbo> what the command to switch the runlevel?
[02:29] <Max> ivoks, let me try
[02:29] <ivoks> trixsey: ubuntu uses alsa
[02:30] <lamp_> http://www.toey.de/link.php?id=5398
[02:30] <ivoks> trixsey: not OSS
[02:30] <ivoks> trixsey: OSS is crap
[02:30] <trixsey> ivoks, Alsa doesnt work for me at all either
[02:30] <ivoks> trixsey: ac97?
[02:30] <ivoks> trixsey: i'm sure it does, but you did some mistake
[02:30] <trixsey> I installed ubuntu 5 min ago
[02:30] <trixsey> And I didnt do shit, sound aint working :p
[02:30] <trixsey> Well, not 5 min ago... More like 20 min ago :p
[02:31] <trixsey> Theres not much I could've done wrong, as there aint much I have done :(
[02:31] <ivoks> trixsey: what sound chip?
[02:31] <IIIEars> trixey - alsa gave me some trouble. added too many plugins disabled the reverb, flanging etc extras and it came back to life.
[02:31] <trixsey> IIIEars, how do I do that?
[02:32] <ompaul> Get:35 http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Sources [1142kB] 
[02:32] <Max> ivoks, which s/x i will use to watch tv?
[02:32] <Max> ivoks,  i mean software
[02:32] <CorvusCorone> Someones here knows how to use esd or oss mixer with dolby surround? alsa doesn't work
[02:32] <IIIEars> Wow didn't see that you had only just installed it. - i am new so everything i do uses a GUI - XMMS for me is the easiest way "preferences"
[02:32] <ivoks> Max: zapping i guess
[02:33] <Max> ivoks, what about xawtv?
[02:33] <ivoks> Max: but i don't watch TV on computer... it sucks :)
[02:33] <ompaul> ivoks, today it costs me 122megs to move :) 959 upgraded, 108 newly installed, 38 to remove and 5 not upgraded.
[02:33] <ivoks> Max: that too
[02:33] <ivoks> ompaul: i know, it's bitchy to do it
[02:33] <ivoks> ompaul: what are those 5 not upgraded?
[02:33] <ivoks> ompaul: mplayer and company? :)
[02:34] <andrew137> Got to go sorry.  I'll put my findings on a webpage and let Google find it.
[02:34] <IIIEars> trixey - with some apps (games mostly) typing sudo killall esd helped. - don't know if that will help you.
[02:34] <CorvusCorone> Someone knows whether ESD works with Dolby Surround?
[02:34] <trixsey> ivoks, its onboard intel soundcard
[02:34] <ivoks> trixsey: lol
[02:34] <trixsey> integrated in the mobo :p
[02:34] <ivoks> trixsey: that one works with ALSA
[02:34] <ivoks> trixsey: i have intel8x0 and alsa
[02:34] <ivoks> and esd
[02:34] <jind> Can anybody tell me how to set up xorg so that I can choose from 60Hz and 85Hz refresh-rates?
[02:35] <ivoks> and can play games without killing esd
[02:35] <trixsey> hmph
[02:35] <ompaul> ivoks, most likely well the way I look at it, my wife wanted me to move this box to ubuntu, my father in law wants me to give him better tech support and wanted to change
[02:35] <ivoks> i can even have multiple apps playing in the same time :)
[02:35] <trixsey> ivoks, it did actually work now
[02:35] <trixsey> LOL
[02:35] <trixsey> I didnt do anything
[02:35] <trixsey> I dont get it
[02:35] <egg> ivoks:  lol
[02:35] <CorvusCorone> Does someone here know whether ESD works with dolby surround ?!
[02:35] <IIIEars> ivoks - true enough. - likely i haven't read enough.
[02:36] <ivoks> trixsey: alsa is muted by default
[02:36] <ranma> I just recently install ubuntu, but I am having a bit of trouble
[02:36] <trixsey> it is?
[02:36] <ivoks> trixsey: that's why you tought it doesn't work
[02:36] <trixsey> ivoks, it works with eSound now
[02:36] <CorvusCorone> heelo ?!
[02:36] <trixsey> Should I use Alsa instead? Because alsa says it cant find my soundcard
[02:36] <IIIEars> trixey - great :)
[02:36] <ranma> My mouse tends to pause from time to time for just a bit
[02:36] <ivoks> CorvusCorone: esd doesn't work with dolby
[02:36] <ivoks> CorvusCorone: esd is just a soundserver
[02:36] <Max> IIIEars, whats ur solution??
[02:36] <ranma> I have a Dell I8100
[02:36] <CorvusCorone> hm
[02:36] <CorvusCorone> but alsa does?
[02:36] <ivoks> CorvusCorone: ALSA works
[02:36] <CorvusCorone> and alsa doesn't work at mine
[02:37] <ivoks> CorvusCorone: and ESD uses ALSA :)
[02:37] <ompaul> ivoks, what is really killing me is I am currently torrenting ubuntu-5.04-live.i386.iso and ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso :-)
[02:37] <CorvusCorone> but alsa doesn't work at mine
[02:37] <trixsey> eSound works for me, ALSA doesnt :(
[02:37] <ivoks> ompaul: well, don't :)
[02:37] <egg> ivoks:  umm
[02:37] <CorvusCorone> trixsey: the same like me
[02:37] <egg> ivoks:  multi stream mix
[02:37] <ivoks> trixsey: don't say that to someone, it will laugh at you whole week
[02:37] <IIIEars> Max - i posted a sample xorg  configurations http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-26284.html
[02:37] <CorvusCorone> when i go in the multimedia-system and chose alsa for output and test it, there is an error message
[02:37] <trixsey> ivoks, Your saying eSound is built on ALSA or something like that? :p
[02:38] <trixsey> lol
[02:38] <trixsey> im a nAAB dont be so mean
[02:38] <ivoks> trixsey: it's like saying, my car is working, but my motor in it isn't
[02:38] <IIIEars> Max (crosses fingers)
[02:38] <trixsey> lol :p
[02:38] <pushups> why would dhcp work on debian but not on ubuntu
[02:38] <nern> hey
[02:38] <pushups> for a pc
[02:38] <pushups> anyone?
[02:38] <nern> do i need to fix something to enable my cd burner to burn faster
[02:38] <mbd> is there is something like synaptic for windows to install open source programs from net ?
[02:38] <nern> it burns so slow
[02:38] <Jormundgand> Hmm. Where should I post to request a bugfix update?
[02:38] <egg> ivoks:  I can play many sounds at the same time
[02:38] <nern> no
[02:38] <ivoks> pushups: human error, dhclient is same in ubuntu and debian
[02:38] <nern> thast why you use linux
[02:38] <ivoks> egg: great :) me too
[02:38] <ompaul> pushups, try 'sudo dhclient' it may help
[02:39] <nern> for stuff like synaptic and the wonderful package management
[02:39] <egg> ivoks:  so... nothing to say...
[02:39] <pushups> Im just talking in CD install
[02:39] <pushups> ubuntu gives error
[02:39] <pushups> debian just lets me surf net
[02:39] <pushups> what is sudo
[02:39] <ivoks> :))
[02:39] <IIIEars> pushups - it worked for me first time on three different machines.
[02:39] <pushups> I thought thats somethign with root
[02:39] <pushups> or something
[02:39] <ivoks> dhcp is very simple protocol
[02:39] <pushups> really?
[02:39] <pushups> on 5.04?
[02:39] <rixth> How do I add new resolutions to X?
[02:39] <ivoks> you are doing something wrong :)
[02:39] <pushups> or earlier
[02:39] <nern> oh god
[02:39] <egg> ivoks:  3 secs question of google
[02:39] <nern> im out of here
[02:39] <Max> IIIEars, that was not my prob...:)) i had prob with TV
[02:39] <ivoks> egg: ?
[02:39] <ubermonzie> helps you execute a command as superuser , pushups
[02:40] <pushups> ok
[02:40] <egg> google esound
[02:40] <IIIEars> pushups - Root Sudo   -- http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:40] <pushups> but when i tried it ubuntu dhcp complained
[02:40] <ivoks> pushups: well, about what?
[02:40] <pushups> dhcp is issue not sudo
[02:40] <IIIEars> Max - your games didn't fill the screen?
[02:40] <pushups> said cant find server and gave some domain option
[02:40] <rixth> How do I add new resolutions to X? I know it's dpkg-reconfigure but I don't kno0w the package na,e
[02:40] <Max> IIIEars, nope that was not me??
[02:40] <pushups> during CD install
[02:40] <pushups> on a pc
[02:41] <ivoks> pushups: then you don't have DHCP server on that network
[02:41] <IIIEars> Max - Could you FAX me some more coffee?
[02:41] <ivoks> pushups: debian and ubuntu have same installer
[02:41] <egg> pushups:  good luck ^^
[02:41] <ompaul> pushups, sudo is something that you need to be good to, as it is good to you, it is the way you start root based command line programs no more of this su - rubbish [extreme joke]  :)  you type sudo command-name +arguements and you pass your password to the machine when requested and away you go
[02:41] <pushups> I do cuz when i rebotoed with debian cd and let debian install i was surfin web
[02:41] <ivoks> pushups: if you installed debian 3 weeks ago, then dhcp server worked, not it doesn't
[02:41] <Max> ivoks, what sudo modprobe saa7134 is for??
[02:41] <pushups> today a4 4pm
[02:41] <IIIEars> sorry... :/
[02:41] <pushups> yesterday rather
[02:41] <egg> pushups:  nice try ^^
[02:41] <ivoks> Max: man modprobe
[02:41] <pushups> friday
[02:41] <trixsey> I got another prob tho, I just installed MPlayer and it wont even run... I installed MPlayer on another distro and it worked just fine.... I just ran my moves with '/installdir/mplayer' -zoom
[02:42] <pushups> II have enterprise redaht 3
[02:42] <egg> pushups:  tuxer lol
[02:42] <pushups> I dont like it
[02:42] <pushups> it says use GUI in the config files
[02:42] <HostingGeek> pushups: I have Ubuntu Breezy
[02:42] <HostingGeek> And I love it!
[02:42] <ivoks> pushups: belive me, dhclient works in ubuntu
[02:42] <pushups> that means exporting X to home base from Quest
[02:42] <ompaul> pushups, friday 4pm is 21:42 ago
[02:42] <ivoks> pushups: start searching for problem somewhere else
[02:42] <pushups> perhaps its the newest release that emssed up
[02:42] <pushups> 504?
[02:42] <IIIEars> Congrats HostingGeek!
[02:42] <ivoks> pushups: man, u suck
[02:43] <pushups> ok
[02:43] <pushups> thanks for thatm but let me ask this, is ubuntu mainly command line for configs or does it have gui, cuz when gui is needed it can be a liability at times when u have a box at a data center
[02:43] <Jormundgand> Ubuntu Breezy is for me for the most part usable once you overcome the font problems. The volume control for some reason doesn't display ALSA devices so I can't turn down the volume from the default "deafening" on my headphones, but that's about it.
[02:43] <HostingGeek> IIIEars: Until... I do something stupid like upgrade the libs...
[02:43] <IIIEars> ivoks - relax - this is the Ubuntu irc not debian. - smile and pour yourself some coffee.
[02:44] <ivoks> :))
[02:44] <ubermonzie> can someone help me with a problem in apt-get
[02:44] <egg> LFS too
[02:44] <ubermonzie> ??
[02:44] <soulblighter> man
[02:44] <HostingGeek> IIIEars: Don't say that he might be a kid
[02:44] <egg> nothing to say... -_-
[02:44] <HostingGeek> You don't want to stop his growth....
[02:44] <soulblighter> I wante to use ubuntu
[02:44] <soulblighter> but the damn dhcp
[02:44] <soulblighter> oh well
[02:44] <IIIEars> uuHostingGeek - can you help pushups with DHCP?
[02:44] <ivoks> pusling: every linux distro can be controled via console
[02:44] <soulblighter> what are commadn lines to config netowking in ubuntu
[02:44] <_hp_> ubermonzie: don't ask to ask, just ask
[02:44] <soulblighter> ?
[02:44] <ivoks> pusling: EVERY
[02:45] <ivoks> pusling: gui tools are only wrappers for text editing
[02:45] <IIIEars> perl script is blighting my xchat. - grin
[02:45] <ubermonzie> aptt-get update has been giving me lots of  strange problems lately... one of them is "gzip: stdin: not in gzip format"
[02:45] <oDysseas> hey all, so how do I get firefox 1.0.4 from apt? I'm trying to change firefox's theme but mozilla.org says I cant go to the themes page until I upgrade to 1.0.4.
[02:45] <pusling> ivoks: huh ?
[02:45] <egg> I have made more 3 cup of coffee?  uh....
[02:45] <egg> today
[02:45] <_hp_> oDysseas: it's not avaible there yet, go to getfirefox.com and download
[02:45] <ubermonzie> i cant install eterm, even though it is there
[02:45] <ivoks> pusling: sorry :)
[02:45] <oDysseas> ok _hp_ thanks
[02:46] <ompaul> ivoks I find that playing this makes life better 302621 2005-04-17 10:36 Desktop/Ubuntu Stuff/ubuntu-jingle.ogg
[02:46] <ivoks> ompaul: i don't have that ogg :)
[02:46] <oDysseas> and another thing, if I compile my own kernel will there be problems with ubuntu?
[02:46] <egg> URI please
[02:46] <egg> o.o
[02:46] <_hp_> oDysseas: not if you do it right
[02:46] <Max> gosh why am i trying so hard to watch tv on comp???
[02:47] <oDysseas> _hp_: when you say right, is there a special procedure for ubuntu, or is it the same?
[02:47] <ubermonzie> has there been some problems in the Ubuntu repositories of late?
[02:48] <ubermonzie> there are lots of errors from us.archive.ubuntu.com and ftp.marillat.net
[02:48] <theD3viL> How can i mount cdrom with win-1250 encoding?
[02:48] <pusling> ubermonzie: is marillat a ubuntu repository ?
[02:48] <jtm> Help! What does "Could not initialize HAL!" mean? Ubuntu 5.04 (Hoary)
[02:49] <mbd> where i found other Hardisks
[02:49] <oDysseas> theD3viL: try -t auto
[02:49] <ivoks> this is too much for me :)
[02:49] <theD3viL> oDysseas, k
[02:49] <jtm> And how can I fix it?
[02:49] <egg> theD3viL:  find m$ codepage list
[02:50] <theD3viL> oDysseas, dont work :S
[02:50] <theD3viL> egg, codepage list?
[02:50] <oDysseas> theD3viL: sorry I missunderstood
[02:50] <Bramme> is there any way to open the website www.kwvbv.be with any browser under ubuntu ?
[02:50] <jtm> What is Hal?
[02:50] <egg> in m$ homepage....some where
[02:50] <jtm> I cannot login. Gnome just crashes so I have a hard time googling it too..
[02:51] <jtm> Can it be fixed? Which package is it?
[02:51] <egg> jtm:  a "standrad"
[02:51] <ubermonzie> its needed for someother things pusling
[02:51] <jtm> Hal is a standard. Alright. Any suggestion how to fix this?
[02:51] <theD3viL> egg, you think this: http://www.microsoft.com/typography/unicode/cscp.htm ?
[02:52] <egg> not sure
[02:52] <egg> I must to find it in my bookmarks
[02:52] <pusling> ubermonzie: can't you do something to choose ubuntu over marillat if it is possible ?
[02:52] <theD3viL> egg, please...
[02:52] <egg> I am lazy
[02:53] <theD3viL> egg, please i need it
[02:53] <egg> (call zuru to help theD3viL ...)
[02:53] <egg> help~~~~~~~~~~
[02:53] <theD3viL> zuru ?
[02:53] <egg> linux master
[02:54] <theD3viL> eh..
[02:54] <theD3viL> :S
[02:54] <ubermonzie> i am unable to understand you pusling
[02:54] <egg> ---- master yoda
[02:54] <egg> help~~~~~~~~~
[02:54] <Kingmilo> silly question, but how do i update my ubuntu system with the changes i made in:  ~/.bashrc & ~/.profile     ?
[02:55] <egg> theD3viL:  Do you have recompiled your kernel?
[02:56] <trixsey> Everyone! Which DC++ Client with a GUI is in your opinion the best? :)
[02:56] <pusling> ubermonzie: read about apt-preferences
[02:56] <ubermonzie> thanks, pusling
[02:56] <theD3viL> egg, yes, why ?
[02:56] <egg> answer in it
[02:57] <theD3viL> i didnt compiled it.. i just install the newest
[02:57] <egg> oh try and error
[02:57] <lunarknight> OH NO! I accidentally typed mv * ... instead of mv * ..      where did my files go?
[02:57] <trixsey> ivoks, you using DC++?
[02:58] <egg> lunarknight:  $ls -al|less
[03:00] <lunarknight> they're gone T_T
[03:01] <egg> files 1+ 2+ 3    ->  ... file?
[03:01] <lunarknight> found them!
[03:01] <egg> oh my
[03:01] <lunarknight> yeah in the ... file lol
[03:01] <ranma> Just recently installed ubuntu, but am having some mouse troubles, very frustrating
[03:01] <lunarknight> it was a folder
[03:01] <egg> good lession
[03:01] <lunarknight> yeah ^^
[03:02] <trixsey> Anyone here into DC++?
[03:02] <ranma> I can't seem to determine what may be causing it, but it seems like preiodically the system just misses mouse events
[03:02] <trixsey> or DCTC or DC-QT or anything like DC-related?
[03:02] <egg> lunarknight:  this is for you -> http://research.microsoft.com/~daniel/unix-haters.html
[03:03] <egg> nice oh
[03:03] <jason__> how do I open up the programming windows of apache?
[03:04] <jason__> how do i open apache?
[03:04] <Chislon> how does ubuntu compare when people are talkinga bout debian
[03:05] <egg> base on debian
[03:05] <trixsey> I think its built on debian core?
[03:05] <trixsey> yeah
[03:05] <jason__> does anyone know how to open apache on ubuntu?
[03:05] <egg> go away from #debain ppl
[03:05] <trixsey> ?? :p
[03:06] <egg> new castle ^^
[03:06] <Chislon> so it would be pretty close or similiar to what they are talking about then when they speak of debian?
[03:06] <egg> I am more and more like here
[03:06] <pusling> jason__: /etc/init.d/apache start ?
[03:07] <jason__> pusling, why wouldnt apache be readily available on the desktop?
[03:07] <IIIEars> Debian is the foundation. - Ubuntu is the the one distro where everything just worked Screen, Ethernet, USB, Printers Everything
[03:08] <egg> umm
[03:08] <egg> good define
[03:08] <pusling> jason__: apache is a web server. Servers do not have desktops
[03:09] <egg> who say that?
[03:09] <jason__> pusling, but they DO have interfaces where you can program them right?
[03:09] <jason__> pusling, because what good would they be if they couldnt do anything you told them to?
[03:10] <jason__> pusling, you 'program' them with commands, so where do i put them in? also, whre is the php interface?
[03:12] <pusling> jason__: you install php and put your php-files in /var/www or you set apache up to serve pages from ~/public_html and put your php files here.
[03:12] <IIIEars> jason__ - apache config - it's a bit of a challenge but not too difficult. - you can often test your server using http://127.0.0.1:80 in your browser.
[03:13] <IIIEars> jason__ - backup your system php isn't very secure.
[03:14] <jason__> IIIEars, this is so stupid....why dont they just have a shortcut in the Applications menu called 'programing,' and have the php and apache and perl right there????
[03:14] <IIIEars> "Mondo" is what i use.
[03:14] <IIIEars> jason__ - It would be nice.
[03:14] <pusling> jason__: I think you should start reading a book with a title like "beginning apache and php"
[03:15] <IIIEars> Wow - is this #Ubuntu?
[03:15] <oDysseas> jason__: you would still need to edit apache.conf, the shortcut would be something like sudo gedit apache.conf, you can make it yourself if you want
[03:15] <jason__> pusling, it wouldnt matter if i cant to the programming interface
[03:16] <pusling> jason__: there is no programming interface. It just parse your script files. Use your favorit editor (vim/gedit/kate/emacs/ed/vigor/
[03:16] <PhantomFreak> Does anyone have an idea how to cut down initrd.gz to around 300k
[03:17] <pusling> PhantomFreak: remove some modules
[03:17] <IIIEars> smeg "simple menu editor for gnome" will make adding it graphical.
[03:17] <oDysseas> use less modules?
[03:18] <PhantomFreak> That was what I was planning! Does anyone know a good editor for it though?
[03:18] <IIIEars> !ubotu apache
[03:18] <ubotu> it has been said that apache is a versatile, high-performance HTTP server; see (apache-common ; apache-dev ; apache-doc ; apache-ssl); they are also Native Americans. or cool helicopters, or ask me about apache-perl5.6, or ask me about apache manual
[03:18] <PhantomFreak> Cos it's part-compiled!
[03:19] <pusling> PhantomFreak: rm ?
[03:19] <IIIEars> !ubotu apache manual
[03:19] <ubotu> rumour has it, apache manual is http://localhost/doc/apache/manual/index.html.html, or http://httpd.apache.org/docs/
[03:19] <jason__> pusling, then why does susie have this neat little shortcut in their Applications menu bar called "programming," and you can program in apache, php, and perl right out of the box??
[03:19] <pusling> jason__: I don't know anything about suse.
[03:20] <PhantomFreak> rm is the delete command! Do you really think I'm dumb enough to delete that file!
[03:20] <IIIEars> jason__ - smeg will do thaat for you.
[03:21] <pusling> PhantomFreak: the iintrdimage is a kind of zip-file. You can remove contents of it. unzip it, use rm, mkinitrd
[03:22] <oDysseas> jason__: they might have a front end, but it still edits the apache.conf
[03:23] <jason__> oDysseas,but why jump through hoops? why not have it the way susie has it, with the easy programming interface for all of lamp??
[03:23] <jason__> this is really stupid
[03:23] <PhantomFreak> I know it was compressed! I've already extracted it! But the file apears to be part-compiled and I'm trying to figure out how to edit it!
[03:23] <IIIEars> www.apache-gui.com/apacheconf/
[03:23] <oDysseas> jason__: probably because editing the .conf file gives you more control
[03:24] <jason__> okay, thats the first intelligetn thing that camer out this room
[03:24] <IIIEars> lol - more control - i always get lost in the modules. - grin
[03:25] <oDysseas> IIIEars: well having more control has its disadvantages
[03:26] <oDysseas> jason__: if you like suse better then why not use it, if you want to have it ported to ubuntu try to implement it yourself or email a dev, arguing here wont get you anywhere
[03:27] <oDysseas> I mean the gui tool for configuring apache
[03:27] <jnoreiko> does anyone know why azureus might breaky my adsl connection? could my ISP have some sort of throttle system?
[03:27] <thenuke> jnoreiko: or do you just upload as fast as your connection allows? that will for sure lag your adsl
[03:27] <oDysseas> jnoreiko: maybe your modem cant deal with the many connections
[03:28] <oDysseas> try setting a smaller number for the connections allowed
[03:28] <offival> Emm... To what file I must apply the patch for this bug? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11389
[03:28] <jnoreiko> it's 400 at the moment. what's a reasonable number?
[03:28] <oDysseas> jnoreiko: try 100
[03:28] <IIIEars> oDysseas - linux is awesome. - Open enough to be what you want it to be. - strange as it sounds it's also a responsibility to improve and share what you know.
[03:29] <oDysseas> IIIEars: thats the whole meaning of open source
[03:30] <crouton> howdy folks
[03:30] <IIIEars> An amazing concept. Windows can't compete with it.
[03:30] <geoffday> hello for the first time
[03:30] <jason__> okay, since you fellas are apache experts, riddle me this: is apache just an internal web server, or can others view your information?
[03:30] <pusling> jason__: both ;)
[03:31] <crouton> define 'others view your information'
[03:31] <jnoreiko> it's a web server... depends how your network is set up AFAIK
[03:31] <pusling> depends on your configuration
[03:31] <jason__> pusling, so if i am on a workgroup, someone outside of my workgroup can view it?
[03:31] <HostingGeek> levin: are you here?
[03:32] <crouton> if you configure apache to only work on 'internal interfaces'...
[03:32] <pusling> jason__: depends on your network configuration
[03:32] <lynam> anyone know a good web site or book to learn linux?
[03:32] <IIIEars> Bought a new $$ box in january still spend most of my time (except for gaming) on this old tired 1.5g machine. - rofl
[03:32] <johan_> if i wanna make an hd mounted all time
[03:32] <johan_> do i need to edit fstab
[03:32] <pusling> johan_: yes
[03:32] <jason__> pusling, well i am on a workgroup
[03:32] <crouton> johan_ : yup
[03:32] <johan_> thanks
[03:32] <anto9us> jason__: provided you internet gateway is configured to feed port 80 to your web server, the outside world will see it
[03:33] <crouton> jason__: you can configure apache to only accept connections from certain IP ranges
[03:33] <crouton> e.g. 192.168.0.1/254
[03:33] <jason__> how can i test if others can see it?how do i try to get to it from the outside?
[03:34] <crouton> what's your external IP?
[03:34] <anto9us> jason__: by using a machine outside your network
[03:34] <pusling> what is your ip? Then I can try visit it
[03:34] <oDysseas> jason__: what does http://localhost show you?
[03:34] <IIIEars> jason__ - Maybe you can google search your internet ip address?
[03:35] <crouton> quick question for you guys - I added the hoary-backports and hoary-extras lines to the apt/sources.list.. now I can't get kernel-package.  Any ideas why?
[03:35] <dooglus> jason__: go to http://canyouseeme.org/ , put '80' into the box, hit return
[03:37] <jason__> dooglus, nope
[03:38] <IIIEars> jason__ - I am pretty sure you can add html code to a page to google search your site.
[03:38] <dooglus> jason__: you asked how to check availability from outside, i told you how.  "nope" doesn't make sense as a next step in the discussion
[03:38] <dooglus> IIIEars: google doesn't find new pages immediately
[03:38] <dooglus> IIIEars: it takes a while for them to get around to indexing you
[03:39] <anto9us> jason__: you need to configure your network firewall/router to forward outside requests to port 80 to your machine that runs apache
[03:39] <IIIEars> Ah, Okay.
[03:39] <dooglus> anto9us: he wants to know how to test whether his server is visible...  http://canyouseeme.org exists for just that kind of thing
[03:40] <ubermonzie> what is apt-get?
[03:40] <jason__> so, the apache editor is etc/apache2.conf?
[03:40] <anto9us> dooglus: yes, I'm guessing he's not yet routed it though :)
[03:40] <dooglus> ubermonzie: it is a command line program for installing software.  the command line equivalent of the synaptic package manager, if you like
[03:40] <crouton> apt-get is a package maintenance utility
[03:40] <pusling> ubermonzie: the program 'synaptic' uses to install programs. synaptic is a graphical apt-get frontend
[03:41] <dooglus> anto9us: I'm guessing he doesn't know much about what he's doing.
[03:41] <anto9us> dooglus: :)
[03:41] <dooglus> anto9us: he wants a menu entry to edit perl?
[03:41] <pusling> and to program apache
[03:41] <jason__> dooglus, yes...everyone else has it
[03:41] <dooglus> jason__: no, they don't.
[03:41] <anto9us> jason__: no they don't
[03:42] <pusling> dooglus: I don't
[03:42] <crouton> anybody here use the hoary-backports/hoary-extras sources and know where I can find 'kernel-package'?
[03:42] <jason__> dooglus, susie has this called programming and so does debian
[03:42] <dooglus> jason__: what would this menu entry to edit perl do exactly?
[03:42] <crouton> SuSE. not Susie. :)
[03:42] <pusling> jason__: not my debian. And it is pretty standard
[03:42] <jason__> pusling, are you running sid?
[03:43] <dooglus> I have a menu entry called 'programming' in ubuntu.  In it is "GNU Emacs", which makes sense, since GNU Emacs is what I use when I'm programming.
[03:43] <dooglus> perl and php aren't used to write programs, they're used to run programs.
[03:43] <lok> nooooooo not emacs
[03:43] <pusling> jason__: sarge, sid, experimental, little of each
[03:43] <dooglus> editors are used to write programs
[03:43] <derda> hello. how can i give me an ip adresse....not automaticaly
[03:43] <pusling> dooglus: do you have 8 fingers on each hand, since you use emacs </flame>
[03:44] <dooglus> pusling: no, there's no need, really
[03:44] <lok> pusling: no he has time
[03:44] <johan_> how do i give access to mounted hd to users
[03:44] <jason__> dooglus, so where is your programming on your menu?
[03:44] <lok> lisp is soooooooooooo fast :p
[03:44] <johan_> now only can access
[03:44] <anto9us> derda: switch your network settings from dhcp to static then enter an ip address, netmask and gateway applicable to your network
[03:44] <crouton> derda - you mean you want a static IP address?
[03:44] <pusling> lok: ^5
[03:44] <dooglus> lok: lisp is fast enough to keep up with my typing...  i don't need it any faster
[03:44] <pusling> johan_: what kind of fs ?
[03:45] <dooglus> jason__: under 'applications' I have 'programming'.
[03:45] <crouton> johan - probably need to check your /etc/fstab if you have it mounted in there.. see if 'nouser' is assigned
[03:45] <lok> use xemacs and ... f34r
[03:45] <johan_> i edited fstab
[03:46] <jason__> dooglas, not on mine
[03:46] <johan_> fs?
[03:46] <dooglus> jason__: it only appears if you install any programming tools, I guess
[03:46] <pusling> johan_: file system
[03:46] <jason__> dooglas, it should be here right out of the box
[03:46] <crouton> johan_, fs == filesystem. ext2, ext3, etc
[03:46] <dooglus> jason__: even gcc isn't here right out of the box...
[03:46] <johan_> ext3 sorry
[03:47] <pusling> johan_: then rights to the file system is in the filesystem
[03:47] <dooglus> jason__: I don't think ubuntu is targeted at programmers right out the box - but you can install programming tools if you want ti
[03:47] <dooglus> want to
[03:47] <johan_> not sure i get it
[03:47] <jason__> dooglas, then who is ubuntu targetted to?
[03:47] <ubermonzie> yeah dooglus , it actually is
[03:47] <dooglus> ubermonzie: gcc?
[03:48] <ubermonzie> home end users. jason__
[03:48] <ubermonzie> Not sure abt that dooglus , but i had to install glade on my own
[03:48] <ubermonzie> its a default option in every GNOME distro
[03:48] <crouton> johan_, are you sure that the files on that HD have the proper permissions to allow your other users to read them?
[03:49] <jason__> ubermonizie, so where can i find 'programming' in the package manager?
[03:49] <johan_> its an old hd that i wanna use its full files that the user should access on regular basis
[03:49] <dooglus> ubermonzie: I'm not sure I understand your "it actually is" statement.  what actually is what?
[03:50] <morris> how does one go about installing ubuntu to SATA?
[03:50] <pusling> jason__: 'programming' is not a application, just like 'word processor isn\'t'
[03:50] <ubermonzie> it actually is targeted towards home-users
[03:50] <crouton> johan_, so have you changed the files or the users' permissions so they can access the files?
[03:51] <IIIEars> Anyone still looking for an easy apache install? - check out xitami. - basic but nice.
[03:51] <thenuke> 'build-essentials' is a metapackage which then install gcc, make and so on
[03:51] <johan_> letr me check
[03:51] <thenuke> or is it.. I might have mixed up some distros now :D
[03:52] <IIIEars> thenuke - build-essentials sounds right.
[03:52] <IIIEars> !ubotu build-essentials
[03:52] <ubotu> IIIEars: Wish i knew
[03:53] <anto9us> ubermonzie: I think ubuntu is for everyone from home users to educatational establishments to businesses and on both the desktop and server platforms
[03:53] <thenuke> IIIEars: it was build-essential..  without that last s
[03:53] <HostingGeek> !ubotu bot?
[03:53] <ubotu> I ain't no stinkin' bot.  I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool.  Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
[03:53] <anto9us> ^educational, trust me to spell that wrong :P
[03:53] <HostingGeek> o.0
[03:54] <thenuke> !ubotu build-essential
[03:54] <ubotu> thenuke: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[03:55] <jason__> in suse, what i am talking about is called bluefish
[03:55] <crouton> does apt-get have more 'source' files than just sources.list?
[03:55] <IIIEars> !ubotu build-essential is http://ubuntuguide.org/#build-essential
[03:55] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[03:55] <pusling> crouton: no
[03:55] <Jormundgand> You know, it would make far more sense to try looking in Synaptic rather than trying to extract information from a bot.
[03:55] <pusling> jason__: then you can install bluefish from synaptic, I guess
[03:55] <crouton> pusling - so why would it ask me to put in the Ubuntu CD if there's no CD entry in sources.list?
[03:56] <jason__> pusling, have you ever used it?
[03:56] <HostingGeek> !ubotu IIIEars is one of ubotu's teachers
[03:56] <ubotu> HostingGeek: I think you lost me on that one
[03:56] <IIIEars> << - lol - "Terminally lazy (nerd humor)
[03:56] <pusling> crouton: have you updated synapcit / apt-get update
[03:56] <HostingGeek> !ubotu IIIEars is one of my teachers
[03:56] <ubotu> okay, HostingGeek
[03:56] <crouton> pusling, yes
[03:56] <HostingGeek> !ubotu IIIEars
[03:56] <ubotu> iiiears is, like, one of my teachers
[03:56] <crouton> let me check synpatic, might be some old cruft in there
[03:56] <HostingGeek> It worked!!
[03:56] <pusling> jason__: no. But bluefish is in my debian package
[03:57] <Jormundgand> HostingGeek: </novelty>
[03:57] <pusling> ...as a package...
[03:57] <anto9us> hehe
[03:57] <morris> !ubuntu sata
[03:57] <ubotu> morris: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[03:57] <morris> ;p
[03:57] <jason__> pusling, thats what i have been referring to all along
[03:57] <bubblesort> hi
[03:57] <crouton> pusling, synpatic still had the Ubuntu Hoary binary CD entry.. but sources.list never did. do they keep files separate?
[03:57] <HostingGeek> Jormundgand: this isn't jabber where everything is in XML markup
[03:57] <pusling> jason__: then why didn't you start saying it? But it is in ubuntu http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=bluefish&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all
[03:57] <crouton> hi bubblesort
[03:58] <pusling> crouton: They shouldn't.
[03:58] <Jormundgand> HostingGeek: THE WORLD IS WRITTEN IN XML.
[03:58] <jason__> pusling, i couldnt think of the name LOL
[03:59] <anto9us> Jormundgand: oh what a dream, if only it were so <sigh>
[03:59] <hyso> How do I start X applications as a diferent user of who is logged in gnome?
[03:59] <crouton> pusling, I tried to do 'apt-get install build-essential fakeroot kernel-package' and it asked for the CD.  I removed the CD entry from synaptic, and now it's grabbing it from the websites.
[03:59] <HostingGeek> !ubotu Jormundgand is blinded by XML
[03:59] <ubotu> HostingGeek: okay
[03:59] <crouton> heh
 "Hello World!" </xml> ?
[04:00] <crouton> hyso - you mean like root?
[04:01] <hyso> crouton, for example but, in this case it is not root
[04:01] <Chislon> hello
[04:01] <crouton> hi chislon
[04:01] <anto9us> hi :)
[04:01] <IIIEars> Good Morning chislon
[04:01] <HostingGeek> !ubotu hello is Good Bye
[04:01] <ubotu> ...but hello is already something else...
[04:01] <jason__> where is the bluefish app in ubuntu?
[04:01] <HostingGeek> muwhahahahahahahaha
[04:01] <epl> hyso: I guess the simplest way is to use sux
[04:01] <Chislon> im not sure what to do, not sure if i should go with ubuntu linux or freesbd..
[04:01] <pusling> jason__: universe
[04:02] <crouton> hyso - you could probably do something like 'sudo user application &'
[04:02] <hyso> crouton, I know how to do sudo and su
[04:02] <anto9us> Chislon: what do you want to do with it?
[04:02] <crouton> alrighty then
[04:02] <IIIEars> HostingGeek be nice to ubotu - newbie bot. - lol
[04:02] <hyso> but with X apps it says conection refused by X server
[04:03] <epl> hyso: sux - wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials
[04:03] <bubblesort> a friend of mine is fed up with his windows and wants to check linux out. I'm using gentoo linux, but I don't want to advise him to use that, since it is not well suited for beginners. Moreover, he does not have an internet connection. My Question is, how many package are needed in addition to the install cd to have a proper system.
[04:03] <crouton> bubblesort: Ubuntu Live CD. :)
[04:03] <jason__> pusling, universe?
[04:03] <hyso> epl, oh, and is not there a way to do it only with su?
[04:03] <hyso> it is posible on redhat based distros...
[04:04] <pusling> jason__: yes. universe
[04:04] <epl> hyso: well, you could do "xhost +"
[04:04] <Chislon> anto9us, well i want to learn python, asi hear its a good starting language, and i was told that tools for it that would cost money in windows are free in linux, and also then in freebsd, i want to get into programming and graphics, like with blender3d, however i think i may also get Flash MX to do those kinda cartoons and games, unless there is a linux type equivalent for those types of things, as flash mx is windows, but crossov
[04:04] <Chislon> er does it, but im not goign to pay for corssover
[04:04] <epl> hyso: to allow anything to connect to your X server.
[04:04] <hyso> epl, yes
[04:05] <anto9us> Chislon: All of that can be done on Ubuntu and is fairly easy to set up
[04:05] <Chislon> freebsd sounds like it may be a bit more secure, and its port system sounds really nice
[04:05] <bubblesort> crouton: I don't want to download it, I'd rather prefer a package list of the life cd.
[04:05] <IIIEars> !ubotu Install Nvidia Graphics Driver is http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[04:05] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay
[04:05] <epl> hyso: but remember then that anything can connect (and if you allow tcp connections to your X server anyone can even connect remotely), so it is not very secure
[04:05] <Chislon> which makes it sound easier to use port and stuff
[04:06] <epl> hyso: you could also use xauth to add authorization in a more secure way
[04:06] <crouton> bubblesort - Well, you can get the CDs sent to an address... just check the ubuntu.com frontpage
[04:06] <hyso> epl, I am not really concerned about security
[04:06] <crouton> bubblesort, Live CD is a great way to showcase Linux without getting rid of whatever is on the HD.  Testdrive it, etc.
[04:06] <epl> hyso: then "xhost +" will be sufficient :)
[04:07] <anto9us> Chislon: I think freebsd is more of a server platform than a desktop one, compared to ubuntu
[04:07] <hyso> epl, ok thanks!
[04:07] <Chislon> well what is it that makes the difference between those?
[04:07] <IIIEars> !ubotu Palm Devices is http://ubuntuguide.org/#configurepalmosdevices
[04:07] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[04:08] <Jormundgand> !ubotu libpr0n is http://www.libpr0n.org
[04:08] <ubotu> ...but libpr0n is already something else...
[04:08] <Jormundgand> !ubotu libpr0n
[04:08] <ubotu> I guess libp0rn is at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/libimage/libpr0n.html
[04:08] <anto9us> Chislon: to be honest, I have no experience of freebsd other than what I've read
[04:08] <Dackel> I have a question
[04:09] <Jormundgand> Dackel: That's nice of you, hope someone answers it.
[04:09] <crouton> Chislon: FreeBSD can work as a desktop system, but it's mainly oriented towards lean & secure server environments
[04:09] <Dackel> How ist after the install the root-password
[04:09] <Chislon> anto9us, ok well waht is it about ubuntu that makes it more desktop friendly then say more server related linux distros
[04:09] <crouton> !ubotu root password
[04:09] <ubotu> crouton: I give up, what is it?
[04:09] <Dackel> my english is very bad
[04:09] <crouton> heh
[04:09] <johan_> i'm old mdk user whats the equivalent for configuration in ubuntu
[04:09] <anto9us> Chislon: It's very pretty :)
[04:10] <Chislon> anto9us, is that it? and how is it any prettier then anything else that uses gnome or kde?
[04:10] <crouton> Dackel: root is sorta disabled.. you use sudo from your current user to perform root actions
[04:10] <Dackel> thanky, bye
[04:10] <crouton> johan_: mdk?
[04:10] <IIIEars> !ubotu Configure Networking is http://ubuntuguide.org/#configurenetworkconnections
[04:10] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[04:11] <johan_> whats the equivalent of drakeconf in ubuntu
[04:11] <spanglesontoast> yo can anyone help me with my issue with a bt voyager 1024 pci adapter can anyone help
[04:11] <anto9us> Chislon: it's very hard to be clinical about aesthetics, not given it much thought, yes it's pretty but it works well for me, very uncluttered and very easy to set up
[04:12] <HostingGeek> !ubotu root password is 1337 Password
[04:12] <ubotu> okay, HostingGeek
[04:12] <Chislon> anto9us, ok thank you
[04:12] <johan_> and where is the list of files in gnome menu
[04:12] <Gh0sty|irssi> hello
[04:12] <apollo2011> I installed Java and Azureus manually on my system and got them working fine, was able to download a Knoppix torrent. But now, when I start Azureus in the console, I get this output:
[04:13] <anto9us> Chislon: one of the nice things for me was how easy it was to set up a zope server with integration to a postgresql database server and as a service that starts when the machine does
[04:13] <apollo2011> > Starting Azureus...
[04:13] <apollo2011> > Java exec found in PATH. Verifying...
[04:13] <apollo2011> > Suitable java version found [java = 1.5.0_02] 
[04:13] <apollo2011> > Configuring environment...
[04:13] <apollo2011> > Loading Azureus:
[04:13] <apollo2011> > java -Xms16m -Xmx128m -cp "/usr/bin/*.jar" -Djava.library.path="/usr/bin" -Dazureus.install.path="/usr/bin" org.gudy.azureus2.ui.swt.Main ''
[04:13] <apollo2011> > Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/gudy/azureus2/ui/swt/Main
[04:13] <apollo2011> > Azureus TERMINATED.
[04:13] <Chislon> anto9us, i have no idea what that means
[04:13] <Gh0sty|irssi> i've a problem with ubuntu and twinview: when messing around with my xorg.conf i accidently started x as root user and was surprised my twinview worked, but as the normal user it seems it doesn't work, anyone can explain this??
[04:14] <anto9us> Chislon: well, it indicated to me that a lot of thought and attention to detail is going into Ubuntu :)
[04:16] <Chislon> anto9us, heh heh ok kool, thank you
[04:18] <spanglesontoast> can someone give me a link to wireless tools package ?
[04:18] <spanglesontoast> for ubuntu
[04:19] <anto9us> Chislon: as a note of interest for you, Blender is a clickable install on Ubuntu, it's in the repositories
[04:19] <Chislon> anto9us, ok thank you
[04:20] <BlackShuck> Having some problems, spiralling out of control :-(  Need some help with grub boot loader.  How does it work with SATA drives?  Are they accessed /dev/hda or /dev/sda ?  do I need to pass a kernel parameter to tell it it's a udev device filesystem?
[04:20] <paco> pusling, yes i found it universe
[04:21] <anto9us> Gh0sty|irssi: I guess you have to add yourself to a group that has the permission to use the twinview files, whatever they are.
[04:22] <BlackShuck> basically, the unbuntu kernels have been giving me problems, so I decided to roll my own from the stock sources, using the config.gz from the running ubuntu kernel.  However, can't boot the kernel :-(  tried all sorted of editing of the commandline in GRUB...
[04:22] <BlackShuck> anyone use their own kernels, without initrd?  what does your grub command line look like?
[04:23] <johan_> is there something like drakeconf in ubuntu
[04:23] <IIIEars> BlackShuck - dunno, hope this helps. :/  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36072
[04:23] <novaflare> got a odd question
[04:23] <novaflare> is it possible to connect kde or gnome to a cygwin xserv on windows?
[04:24] <pusling> johan_: what is drakeconf ?
[04:24] <iratsu> how is rhythm box compared to xmms? I was surprised to see that xmms wasn't installed by default
[04:24] <novaflare> i know it can work the other way arroung seen a how to listed
[04:24] <johan_> its config tool in mdk
[04:24] <johan_> i just swithed
[04:24] <johan_> switched
[04:24] <anto9us> johan_: sadly, gui config tools are a bit behind the likes of mandriva right now
[04:24] <BlackShuck> bit more fundamental that that, I cannot  kick in the bootup from GRUB...
[04:24] <pusling> johan_: ahh.. everything in one of the menus ;)
[04:25] <johan_> i like the ubuntu so far but its hard to adjust
[04:25] <anto9us> johan_: what in particular did you want a gui frontend for?
[04:26] <johan_> drakeconf is really neat to set everything from printer to samba
[04:26] <ozamosi> I dont know what ive done, but every gtk2-app takes FOREVER to start. That means about 5 minutes. Can anybody help me?
[04:26] <apollo2011> I installed Java and Azureus manually on my system and got them working fine, was able to download a Knoppix torrent.  But now, when I start Azureus in the console, I get this output:http://pastebin.com/295066
[04:27] <johan_> where is the file with the apps in the gnome menu
[04:27] <anto9us> johan_: well, there are guis for both samba and printer in ubuntu
[04:27] <johan_> ok
[04:27] <pusling> johan_: gconf
[04:27] <crouton> johan_, sounds like gconf
[04:27] <anto9us> johan_: not gconf
[04:28] <johan_> where is that
[04:28] <johan_> can i apt-get gimp2
[04:28] <anto9us> johan_: shared folders and printers are on System | Administraton menu
[04:28] <johan_> system administration menu?
[04:28] <pusling> johan_: I think gimp2.2 is the normal gimp-package
[04:29] <jaysunn> Is it possible to reset the apt-get system back to default?
[04:29] <johan_> what the cmd to launch sys admin menu
[04:29] <anto9us> johan_: top of screen, select System then Administration
[04:29] <johan_> i dont have gnome
[04:29] <crouton> jaysunn, what do you mean 'default'?
[04:30] <anto9us> johan_: you have kde?
[04:30] <vanberge> hey everyone, which depositories are best suited for ubuntu ?
[04:30] <johan_> i use flux
[04:30] <vanberge> im looking into adding some more to sources.list
[04:30] <crouton> vanberge: you mean 'repositories'?
[04:30] <vanberge> crouton, yes..
[04:30] <pusling> vanberge: the official ubuntu ones
[04:30] <johan_> so i need exact name of apps to set my menu
[04:30] <crouton> vanberge, do you have universe in your list?
[04:31] <johan_> i was fine with mdk but i dont know the names of stuff in ubuntu
[04:31] <jaysunn> i mean i screwed it up
[04:31] <vanberge> crouton, they are commented out
[04:31] <johan_> is there a url with a list
[04:31] <jaysunn> it complains that i need to reinstall open office
[04:31] <crouton> vanberge, so uncomment them
[04:31] <anto9us> johan_: shares-admin
[04:31] <vanberge> crouton, those are good ones to have ?
[04:32] <crouton> vanberge, yup
[04:32] <johan_> ok thats a start thanks
[04:32] <johan_> there mustr be more though
[04:32] <jaysunn> http://pastebin.com/295071
[04:32] <anto9us> johan_: gnome-cups-manager
[04:32] <jaysunn> can somone help with this pastebin error
[04:33] <johan_> great anto9us
[04:33] <johan_> where can i get whole list...unless you state them all
[04:33] <anto9us> johan_: I don't know of a list, what else did you want?
[04:34] <johan_> i just wanna learn to get comfi with my new distro
[04:34] <vanberge> crouton, yeah that added tons of packages to my synaptic/apt
[04:34] <johan_> hardware management say
[04:34] <IIIEars> Good Morning thoreauputic! :)
[04:35] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: hi :)
[04:35] <crouton> vanberge: that's what it's good for. :)
[04:36] <anto9us> johan_: hal-device-manager is read-only but handy
[04:36] <vanberge> crouton, question though, how come all the packages in the 'universe' additions have different icons?
[04:36] <johan_> good
[04:36] <derda> i'm searching for sdl
[04:36] <derda> simple direct media layer
[04:37] <derda> whats the name of the pakage? can't find
[04:37] <vanberge> sorry guys, im new to ubuntu... what's the recommended DVD player?  I'm used to using Xine
[04:37] <lok> ogle
[04:37] <thoreauputic> vanberge: xine is fine
[04:37] <johan_> user admin?
[04:38] <vanberge> thoreauputic, i dont see xine available through apt...
[04:38] <anto9us> johan_: gdmconfig, network-admin, users-admin ;)
[04:38] <vanberge> thoreauputic, would i have to compile from source?
[04:38] <thoreauputic> vanberge: xine-ui or totem-xine
[04:39] <thoreauputic> vanberge: no :)
[04:39] <johan_> thanks anto9us youre really patient with me
[04:39] <vanberge> thoreauputic, i must need additional repositories then
[04:39] <IIIEars> vlc,ogle - all work pretty well
[04:40] <thoreauputic> vanberge: I suggest universe and multiverse
[04:40] <anto9us> johan_: with time-admin and update-manager that's the entire Administration menu I think
[04:40] <crouton> vanberge:  the icons probably indicate which packages are installed, which have dependencies, etc
[04:40] <thoreauputic> vanberge: and you can get win32 codecs from various third party sources
[04:40] <johan_> great
[04:41] <vanberge> wow... tvtime works
[04:41] <vanberge> i've never had a tv app work with my tv tuner card on linux
[04:41] <IIIEars> thoreauputic -does win32codec do dvds?
[04:41] <novaflare> hey would i break ubuntu if i aliened the ati rpm drivers from ati.com and installed them instead of the prepackaged ati drivers for ubuntu?
[04:41] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: no, you need libdvdcss2 I guess
[04:42] <thoreauputic> vanberge: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:42] <IIIEars> vanberge - Is it the ATI All in Wonder?
[04:42] <anto9us> johan_: of course you know synaptic?
[04:42] <vanberge> thoreauputic, no, it's a Pinnacle
[04:42] <marjorie> Hello, I have just installed horay hedgehog but i am familiar with ndiswrapper for my wireless stuff, Is there a way to easily disable the inbuilt wireless functions i think they are confilciting?
 ndis question.
[04:43] <johan_> dont know synaptic
[04:43] <johan_> whats the cmd ill check it out] 
[04:43] <anto9us> johan_: it's a gui for packages
[04:44] <anto9us> johan_: that's it, synaptic
[04:44] <johan_> so far im impressed by aptget
[04:44] <anto9us> johan_: cool :)
[04:45] <vanberge> spoke too soon... sound doesnt work
[04:45] <mez> http://www.deviantart.com/view/19063177/
[04:45] <mez> what do you guys think?
[04:45] <mez> (It's an ubuntu wallpaper)
[04:45] <derda> err:wave:DSDB_MapBuffer Could not map sound device for direct access (Input/o utput error)
[04:45] <derda> wtf?
[04:46] <marjorie> I have Ndiswrapper and wpa supplicant installed but when i luanch wpasupplicant it fails, could it be confilciting with in built wireless stuff in horay hedgehog?
[04:46] <anto9us> novaflare: you may break xserver so make sure you know how to backstep without a gui :)
[04:46] <novaflare> yeh
[04:47] <novaflare> your talking about xorg.conf im guessing
[04:47] <novaflare> ive lost my gui many a time already lol
[04:47] <kestas> mez: nice desktop
[04:47] <mez> ;)
[04:47] <kestas> mez: too bad it doesnt fit it with the default browny theme
[04:47] <kestas> :(
[04:47] <mez> I'm ding a load of like - minimalistic ones (playing with the gimp really)
[04:47] <IIIEars> !ubotu ndis wrapper is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[04:47] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[04:48] <mez> http://browse.deviantart.com/wallpaper/minimalistic/?view=1&order=5&limit=24
[04:48] <mez> the latest ones are my "set" of wallpapers
[04:48] <marjorie> 
[04:48] <IIIEars> !ubotu ndiswrapper is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[04:48] <ubotu> ...but ndiswrapper is already something else...
[04:48] <kestas> mez: gimp I presume?
[04:48] <johan_> how about tool for mounting
[04:49] <johan_> umounting
[04:49] <IIIEars> !ubotu ndiswrapper
[04:49] <kestas> mez: how did you learn to use gimp? I need to make a few small icons but Im having troubles
[04:49] <anto9us> novaflare: yes, I think just making a backup of your xorg.conf before you start should be enough to backstep if needed
[04:49] <mez> yeah :D
[04:49] <novaflare> k
[04:49] <mez> er This si the first time I've used gimp
[04:49] <mez> It's just not that different from fotoshop[ thats all
[04:50] <IIIEars> !ubotu ndis is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[04:50] <ubotu> ...but ndis is already something else...
[04:50] <marjorie> IIIEars: The driver is installed, i am having problems useing WPA and thought there might be something confilciting
[04:50] <marjorie> I have followed the same procedure I did with Warty, and i get an error when tring to start wpa_supplicant
[04:51] <IIIEars> marjorie - I wish i could help you. (6th week using linux)
[04:51] <derda> err:wave:DSDB_MapBuffer Could not map sound device for direct access (Input/o utput error)
[04:51] <derda> err:wave:DSDB_MapBuffer Use: "HardwareAcceleration" = "Emulation" in the [dso und]  section of your config file.
[04:51] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: probably better to teach the bot in /msg (also BTW "!" is enough - you don't need "! ubotu"
[04:51] <WhiteRabbit> IIIEars, just do what most of the others are doin
[04:51] <WhiteRabbit> google there problem & look k001!
[04:51] <IIIEars> thoreauputic Nice tip. - Thank You
[04:51] <marjorie> I just assumed there was new stuff going on as loads more happens in dmesg when i plug the card in now
[04:52] <marjorie> b4 i just saw ndiswrapper stuff in dmesg when i plugged the card in
[04:52] <marjorie> loads of autoconfig happens which i want to disable
[04:53] <`psycho> anyone uses freeNX here?
[04:53] <johan_> whats default app for cd burning with ubuntu
[04:53] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - going to ned a vote of confidence or two to see what i enter stays. (hint-hint)
[04:54] <reka> johan_: nautilus :-)  if you're using gnome: gnomebaker, kde: k3b (i think).
[04:54] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: don't look at me - my entries have been removed so I gave up...
[04:54] <johan_> thanks
[04:54] <`psycho> hey a little help please?
[04:55] <`psycho> got problems using the NX
[04:55] <stijn[WIN] > can you do anything about the fact that my wlan card allways thinks it's signal is 100% :d
[04:57] <marjorie> Stijn: what driver are u useing?
[04:57] <IIIEars> !ubotu Amnesia is annoying
[04:57] <ubotu> ...but amnesia is already something else...
[04:57] <IIIEars> lol
[04:58] <thoreauputic> ! amnesia
[04:58] <ubotu> it has been said that amnesia is when you forget 90% of everything you've ever been taught
[04:58] <xoz> !ubotu who owns you
[04:58] <ubotu> cafuego does
[04:58] <IIIEars> ah, Okay. - thx
[04:59] <IIIEars> ! seen cafuego
[04:59] <ubotu> IIIEars: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[04:59] <IIIEars> !seen cafuego
[04:59] <ubotu> cafuego is currently on #ubuntu
[04:59] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: amnesia appears to be one of the few things ubotu hasn't forgotten ;)
[04:59] <IIIEars> rofl
[04:59] <marjorie> Hmm, what wireless system does ubuntu horay use, Im thinking i can config wpa_supplicant to use a different driver?
[05:01] <mof> hi all
[05:01] <zOap> Ubuntu wharty hangs when loading hotplug. what could be the problem?
[05:02] <vanberge> wow... tv time is a sweet program
[05:03] <novaflare> brb
[05:03] <IIIEars> !ubotu cafuego ubuntu friend is  "ubotu has Amnesia thoreauputic and a few others are concerned. - please send him our hopes for rest and a speedy recuperation."
[05:03] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[05:05] <pusling> !ubotu pusling is "a very nice guy"
[05:05] <ubotu> pusling: okay
[05:05] <pusling> !pusling
[05:05] <ubotu> well, pusling is "a very nice guy"
[05:06] <thoreauputic> guys, if you feed the bot useless info, it will be pulled: it's on trial atm
[05:06] <thoreauputic> basically, if it gets abused, it goes
[05:07] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - Oops, - The bot is an excellent addition. - sorry.
[05:07] <thoreauputic> I'm not responsible: just passing on info from the ops (bob2, Amaranth etc)
[05:07] <kestas> how do you change your resolution from inside X, if say another application changes it to go fullscreen but doesnt change it back?
[05:08] <IIIEars> thor, - If it forgets everything in 24 hours what can it be used for?
[05:08] <reka> kestas: ctrl+alt+'+' to cycle through
[05:08] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: heh
[05:08] <Amaranth> ubotu: smeg
[05:08] <ubotu> [smeg]  a GNOME 2.10 menu editor at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[05:08] <Amaranth> doesn't forget
[05:09] <plagerism> When is breezy planned to be released??
[05:09] <Jormundgand> ubotu: libpr0n
[05:09] <ubotu> somebody said libp0rn was at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/libimage/libpr0n.html
[05:09] <MikeA> I've done a kernel recompile an brken ssh
[05:09] <MikeA> and broken ssh
[05:09] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: well, someone has edited/ removed some entries, it seems
[05:09] <Hajuu> Hey
[05:09] <Amaranth> ubotu: forget cafuego ubuntu friend
[05:09] <ubotu> Amaranth: i forgot cafuego ubuntu friend
[05:09] <MikeA> any ideas what is wrong
[05:09] <Amaranth> Yeah, like that.
[05:09] <Jormundgand> It can't spell libpr0n and doesn't know that libpr0n is at http://www.libpr0n.org
[05:09] <Hajuu> what plugin do I need to be able to play wmv files?
[05:09] <MikeA> I get ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[05:09] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: Everyone can do it, don't abuse it.
[05:09] <kestas> reka: that just zooms in and out, it doesnt change the resolution
[05:09] <reka> Hajuu: install w32codecs
[05:10] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: erm, AFAIK I haven't abused the bot...
[05:10] <IIIEars> lol - true that entry wasn't likely to speed anything up. -
[05:10] <Hajuu> I already have w32codecs
[05:10] <anto9us> it's my experience you can't have artificial intelligence without an element of artificial, and otherwise, stupidity
[05:10] <Jormundgand> ubotu: forget libpr0n
[05:10] <ubotu> i forgot libpr0n, Jormundgand
[05:10] <pusling> plagerism: probably 05.10
[05:10] <Jormundgand> ubotu: libpr0n is at http://www.libpr0n.org
[05:10] <ubotu> okay, Jormundgand
[05:10] <pusling> ubotu: forget pusling
[05:10] <ubotu> i forgot pusling, pusling
[05:11] <Hajuu> Ok so.. maybe then is there something in totem I have to configure to see the codec?
[05:11] <david__> hi
[05:11] <Jormundgand> ubotu: Jormundgand is like Jar Jar - a REALLY NICE GUY. EVERYONE LIKES JAR JAR.
[05:11] <ubotu> ...but jormundgand is already something else...
[05:11] <Jormundgand> :o
[05:11] <kestas> so anyone know how to change the res?
[05:11] <Jormundgand> ubotu: Jormundgand
[05:11] <ubotu> [jormundgand]  blinded by XML
[05:11] <vanberge> where is a good place to get additional ubuntu wallpapers, themes, etc... ?
[05:11] <reka> kestas: hmm, well i'm not sure what you're talking about.  you can change res by sys->prefs->screen res.
[05:11] <IIIEars> ubotu: forget cafuego ubuntu friend
[05:11] <ubotu> i didn't have anything called 'cafuego ubuntu friend', IIIEars
[05:11] <Amaranth> Jormundgand: Do 'ubotu: no, Jormundgand is blah'
[05:11] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: an=maranth already deleted it :)
[05:12] <david__> hey, does anyone know if it's possible to bound mouse 7 to minimize all like i have it in windows?
[05:12] <thoreauputic> *amaranth
[05:12] <IIIEars> got it just checking
[05:12] <kestas> reka: true, and thats the way I want to do it, but its a slow way and I want to just do "$ runfullscreengame; resolutionbackto1024x768command" at the terminal
[05:12] <Jormundgand> ubotu: no, Jormundgand is THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT. HIS REVENGE SHALL BE WROUGHT UPON THE WORLD ERE RAGNAROK LOOMS!
[05:12] <ubotu> okay, Jormundgand
[05:12] <Jormundgand> Amaranth: Nice design.
[05:12] <reka> ah, well i'm not sure, sorry.
[05:13] <kestas> okay thanks anyway
[05:13] <kestas> back to google then
[05:13] <IIIEars> if ubotu gets puffed up to mammoth proportions he'll be too slow to be useful.
[05:13] <Amaranth> Jormundgand: I didn't do it, it's a blootbot. That little bit is just so you don't overwrite something without knowing.
[05:13] <Jormundgand> Ah.
[05:13] <Amaranth> Jormundgand: and cafuego is running it
[05:13] <reka> vanberge: do you want "ubuntu" themes or gnome themes?
[05:13] <thoreauputic> !google
[05:13] <reka> vanberge: in both cases my answer is google :-)
[05:13] <MikeA> would removing IPv6 be why SSHD is broken?
[05:13] <Amaranth> grr
[05:14] <Amaranth> MikeA: could be
[05:14] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: That's what I mean by abuse.
[05:14] <weedar> is nvtv the only way to get tv-out on nvidia cards working?
[05:14] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: it's just a joke - I'll remove it if you wish
[05:14] <nova> hmm well x didnt blow up but im on that messa indirect stuff
[05:14] <thoreauputic> !forget google
[05:14] <ubotu> i forgot google, thoreauputic
[05:14] <nova> not sure why exactly
[05:14] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: happy?
[05:15] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: Yeah.
[05:15] <nekohayo> hey there, how could I disable acpi for my laptop lid? I don't want it to lock my system when I only close the lid for a few seconds
[05:15] <IIIEars> slender bots are sexy. - grin
[05:15] <Amaranth> Also, please PM the bot to set/forget things.
[05:15] <Amaranth> And if you're making it say something that's just for you, please PM it.
[05:15] <nekohayo> hibernate works flawlessly however, but it's annoying to wait 1 minute before closing the lid
[05:16] <IIIEars> Amaranth -what is the syntax for PM?
[05:16] <redboar> ne1 familiar with Debian hardened kernel?
[05:16] <Amaranth> IIIEars: /msg ubotu foo is blah
[05:16] <Amaranth> IIIEars: /msg ubotu forget blah
[05:16] <Amaranth> IIIEars: /msg ubotu blah
[05:16] <IIIEars> great. - Thank You.
[05:16] <Amaranth> err, forget foo, etc
[05:17] <kestas> reka: xrandr is the command to change your res on the fly fyi
[05:17] <nova> hmm brb again
[05:17] <kestas> just inscase someone else asks
[05:17] <reka> kestas: nice work!
[05:17] <stijn[WIN] > marjorie
[05:17] <stijn[WIN] > still interested
[05:17] <stijn[WIN] > i had some problems configging my card to :)
[05:18] <stijn[WIN] > i use ndiswrapper
[05:21] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: OK I added "restricted" for the wiki on restricted formats, and "repositories" for howto on adding repos: hope those URLs are useful...
[05:22] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: you don't need permission to add things, just try not to set things like 'google' to jokes
[05:22] <marjorie> What does acx_pci moduel do?
[05:23] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: well, the occsional joke doesn't go amiss, but I'll stick to info I guess - and I *do* see the point
[05:23] <Hajuu> Hey.. anyone know why my vlc and totem dont output any sound?
[05:23] <marjorie> In dmesg i see it doing loads of crazy stuff to my wireless card, im thinking of disbleing it to get ndiswrapper to work properly
[05:23] <nova> blast
[05:23] <nova> i got the ati drivers installed
[05:23] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: I have no problem with jokes, just not with jokes on important keywords like 'google'.
[05:24] <nova> but its showing mesa indirect instead of the proper gl for direct renderign
[05:24] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: OK
[05:24] <nova> and the sucky part is i think these will fix my graphics glitch with the models
[05:24] <nova> the one i get now is diffrent
[05:25] <marjorie> Should i be asking for this kind of help some whrere else?
[05:25] <WhiteRabbit> marjorie, what kinda crazy stufff * wipes spit *
[05:26] <marjorie> Not crazy stuff, just thinks id expect ndiswrapper to handdle, like setting of ssid and wep and things
[05:26] <schorem> heya
[05:26] <marjorie> all happens on auto when i plug card in.. i want to stop it as i can setup ndiswrapper and wpa fine without auto stuff
[05:26] <nova> some one inhere has to have installed the ati rpm drivers gotten this and fixxed it i just know it
[05:26] <nova> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[05:26] <nova> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[05:26] <nova> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.2.1)
[05:27] <david__> hey
[05:27] <tck> lo
[05:27] <marjorie> WhiteRabbit: What i really want to do is turn off all 'auto' wireless things in horay...
[05:27] <tck> having problem using the Gnome built in cd burner, error keeps saying insert big enough blank disk, when there is, k3b burns it ok
[05:27] <chrissturm> great, xbase-clients is finally fixed in breezy
[05:27] <reka> nova:what is your card?
[05:27] <schorem> how can i install nvidia driver
[05:28] <nova> ati 9k pro 128 meg agp
[05:28] <WhiteRabbit> marjorie, why
[05:28] <cikilin> hello
[05:28] <nova> i just need to get back to this point
[05:28] <nova> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[05:28] <nova> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9600 Generic
[05:28] <nova> OpenGL version string: 1.3.4893 (X4.3.0-8.10.19)
[05:28] <reka> nova: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowTo
[05:28] <nova> with the xorg apt got ones i get that
[05:28] <marjorie> WhitRabbit: Beacause i think thats whats stopping wpa_from working
[05:28] <cikilin> is anybody using penggy?
[05:28] <nova> with these i dont
[05:28] <raDeon> WHO CALLED ME
[05:28] <redboar> what's the best X-based non-gnome CD burning app?
[05:28] <raDeon> WHO
[05:28] <raDeon> SPEAK UP
[05:28] <raDeon> RIGHT NOW
[05:28] <nova> ill look
[05:29] <raDeon> redboar, k3b DUH
[05:29] <johan_> k3b
[05:29] <redboar> yeah duh
[05:29] <redboar> like I'm supposed to know this>
[05:29] <marjorie> WhitRabbit: And i had the same card working fine with ndiswrapper + wpa_supplicant in warty warthog
[05:29] <redboar> ?
[05:29] <reka> nova: those intructions are for the xorg drivers.
[05:29] <nova> yeh
[05:29] <cikilin> can anybody help me to configure penggy pls
[05:29] <redboar> that's not a KDE app is it?
[05:29] <reka> nova: FYI, try not to paste > 2 lines please.
[05:29] <nova> im useing the ati ones let me look at the how to on the 8.12s
[05:30] <nova> k
[05:30] <redboar> is k3b a KDE app?
[05:30] <reka> redboar: yes, iirc it is.
[05:30] <nova> this is what im trying to figure out reka
[05:30] <thoreauputic> !nvidia
[05:30] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia is install 'linux-restricted-modules' and 'nvidia-glx'. Then run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and make X use the nvidia driver instead of the nv one.
[05:30] <nova> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495
[05:30] <marjorie> WhitRabbit: Ndiswrapper installed fine, so did wpa, but when i launch wpa now it dies and takes the interface down
[05:31] <redboar> no thanks then
[05:31] <cikilin> has anybody penggy installed?
[05:31] <reka> redboar: i understand.  so gnomebaker doesn't work?
[05:32] <nova> hmm i think i found the isue
[05:32] <redboar> I just want one that is X but not dependent on either Gnome or KDE
[05:32] <marjorie> WhiteRabbit: One for the forums mabe?
[05:33] <reka> redboar: well, lazy answer is sourceforge.net  i'm sure there's one out there.
[05:33] <WhiteRabbit> marjorie, this on a desktop right?
[05:33] <redboar> OK TY
[05:33] <marjorie> No laptop
[05:33] <marjorie> pcmcia
[05:34] <reka> redboar: though i'd have a look at ubuntuforums.org in case someone has recommended one first.
[05:34] <thoreauputic> redboar: there's XCDRoast (uses gtk 1.2 I think)
[05:34] <marjorie> Is there not some kind of blanket bomb method for removeing horay wireless support
[05:34] <redboar> thor: thanks
[05:35] <thoreauputic> marjorie: maybe commenting out the relevant lines in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[05:35] <raDeon> lol marj
[05:35] <cikilin> has anybody penggy installed?
[05:35] <raDeon> marge
[05:35] <raDeon> from the simpsons
[05:35] <raDeon> LMAO!!!!
[05:35] <marjorie> I dont like being called marge tho :)
[05:36] <marjorie> plz :P
[05:36] <raDeon> redboar, you're pathetic
[05:36] <kestas> magaret?
[05:36] <raDeon> ok marge
[05:36] <kestas> *margaret
[05:36] <kestas> how about maggie?
[05:36] <redboar> coming from a guy named after an ATI card that's a compliment
[05:37] <marjorie> raDeon: You can call me what u like; I wont listen
[05:37] <stijn[WIN] > marjorie
[05:37] <kestas> lol redboar
[05:37] <stijn[WIN] > is your card working
[05:37] <raDeon> redboar, it's not a compliment no matter who it comes from
[05:37] <marjorie>  stijn[WIN] : I had it working fine 2 hrs ago in warty
[05:37] <redboar> raDeon: no one is impressed with ypur trolling
[05:37] <stijn[WIN] > well
[05:37] <redboar> *your
[05:37] <stijn[WIN] > i think i can help
[05:37] <moot> is azureus supposed to be in the apt repositories?
[05:37] <raDeon>  if you're saying i'm pathetic and i'm calling you pathetic, you must be even more pathetic in turn
[05:37] <marjorie> :)
[05:38] <raDeon> redboar, nobody is impressed with your face, so get lost
[05:38] <redboar> raDeon:  enjoy my iggy bin
[05:38] <raDeon> what is an iggy bin
[05:38] <thoreauputic> raDeon: code of conduct, and please stop saying pointless inflammatory stuff
[05:39] <raDeon> thoreauputic, gotcha
[05:39] <raDeon> let me find my preparation H
[05:39] <redboar> I made it up
[05:39] <raDeon> i can tell
[05:39] <thrillhouse_home> If i am using the stock hoary kernel, how can i find out what has been compiled in?  I am trying to find out if a specific chipset fix is part of the kernel.
[05:40] <raDeon> hahaha "hoary"
[05:40] <kestas> thrillhouse_home: /boot/config I think
[05:40] <cikilin> has anybody penggy installed?
[05:40] <thrillhouse_home> kestas: thanks
[05:40] <raDeon> cikilin, a better question, "has anybody ever heard of 'penggy'?"
[05:41] <cikilin> AOL ON LINUX
[05:41] <cikilin> is penggy
[05:41] <raDeon> lol good luck with that
[05:41] <raDeon> i dont think many people use aol on linux
[05:41] <cikilin> :(
[05:41] <cikilin> because i dont knoe hwoto configure
[05:41] <raDeon> cikilin, may i recommend a solution?
[05:41] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - AOL users need love too. - grin
[05:42] <raDeon> cikilin, get a real internet connect
[05:42] <redboar> raDeon is the kind of guy who loves typing out lots of text
[05:42] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: lots of it, I'd say ;)
[05:42] <raDeon> redboar, and you're the kind of guy who eats shit and dies.
[05:42] <redboar> it thrills his own ego
[05:42] <thoreauputic> !conduct
[05:42] <ubotu> rumour has it, conduct is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/document_view
[05:42] <raDeon> aha!
[05:42] <thoreauputic> next time ops
[05:42] <raDeon> it's just a ru mor!
[05:42] <IIIEars> thoreau[utic - you must of tried aol peng or linspires port of it already.
[05:42] <raDeon> thoreauputic, come on man you know you love me
[05:43] <redboar> well I'm gonna defend myself
[05:43] <Zodiac> Sup dawgs
[05:43] <marjorie> raDeon: Love and attention | not necessaryily the same thing
[05:43] <raDeon> no, i do believe thoreauputic loves me
[05:43] <redboar> raDeon is intimidated by change and usefulness in OSes
[05:43] <reka> cikilin: dialup?
[05:44] <cikilin> IIIears if i try to run penggy in run command nothing is happening
[05:44] <thoreauputic> redboar, raDeon, please drop it - it's tedious
[05:44] <cikilin> nope
[05:44] <raDeon> BEST PICKUP LINES 31. I lost my phone number. Can I have yours?
[05:44] <cikilin> dhcp
[05:44] <IIIEars> cikilin - I haven't used in it a bit. way to rusty to be helpful.
[05:45] <cikilin> reka dhcp
[05:45] <redboar> thor: I already have
[05:45] <thoreauputic> OK - good :)
[05:45] <nullix> My system is now crashing ; anyway to use a command to check coherency of my Ubuntu distrib ! ; thanks
[05:46] <darth_schmoo> I'm trying to get the java plugin for firefox working.  The ubuntuguide site recommends that I install a package (sun-j2rel.5) that doesn't exist.  What next?
[05:47] <thoreauputic> darth_schmoo: the package you need is on the Sun site (it might be a slightly different version - haven't looked lately)
[05:47] <nullix>  darth_schmoo, install last java under /usr/local and make link from pluggin to firefox pluggin
[05:47] <IIIEars> darth_schmoo - the sun site has the latest version and a pretty good guide. - (i still couldn't make it work tho others have.)
[05:48] <darth_schmoo> So none of the packages in the repository will do it for me?
[05:48] <thoreauputic> darth_schmoo: the sun java is a restricted format - legal issues
[05:48] <anto9us> darth_schmoo: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[05:48] <IIIEars> udarth_schmoo - get the most recent one from sun it changes alot.
[05:49] <Zodiac> darth just add the repository and do a search for java
[05:49] <Zodiac> The one you need will come up
[05:49] <thoreauputic> !restricted
[05:49] <ubotu> restricted is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:50] <IIIEars> !ubotu java
[05:50] <david__> hey
[05:51] <david__> does anyone know how to execute a command by making a desktop shortcut
[05:51] <IIIEars> !ubotu install java  is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[05:51] <ubotu> ...but install java is already something else...
[05:51] <IIIEars> !ubotu install java
[05:51] <anto9us> david__: right click your desktop and select create launcher
[05:51] <dooglus> david__: right-click the desktop and select 'create launcher'
[05:51] <dooglus> heh
[05:52] <anto9us> hehe
[05:52] <ols> hehehe
[05:52] <reka> cue twilight zone music
[05:52] <nullix> My system is now crashing ; anyway to use a command to check coherency of my Ubuntu distrib ! ; thanks
[05:52] <tbird> Hey all
[05:52] <dooglus> at least it suggests it's the 'right' answer :)
[05:52] <david__> dooglus, anto9us but in that i must be doing something wrong
[05:52] <nova> i should have known to remove the old drivers first before upgrading ...
[05:52] <david__> lets say i'm trying to make a shortcut to "sudo nautilus"
[05:52] <david__> i enter "sudo nautilus" in the command section
[05:52] <thoreauputic> nullix: could you be a bit more vague? *grin*
[05:53] <david__> but upon exection it doesn't do anything
[05:53] <thoreauputic> david__: try "gksudo nautilus"
[05:53] <redboar> has ne1 compiled the latest rss-glx screensaver sources?  I can't do it
[05:53] <Unintentional> Hey, does anyone know the charset NTFS uses by default?  Linux is having trouble reading some of my filenames with foreign characters.
[05:53] <thoreauputic> david__: that should prompt for a password
[05:53] <david__> hmm this is odd-- i was doing it on my bro's computer whne it wasn't working, but it's working here
[05:54] <angela> anyone know how big a complete sources repository download would be ... how many gig harddrive
[05:54] <david__> weird...
[05:54] <nullix>  thoreauputic, I wanted to check for error message in /var/log/cups but my system is freezing I think it is related to a CUPS problem but not sure !
[05:54] <dooglus> david__: the problem is that it needs a password
[05:54] <darth_schmoo> IIIEars:  Thanks.  I'm using "Method 1"
[05:54] <david__> how do you make it do that dooglus ?
[05:54] <IIIEars> david__ - hm - does it work if you create it to run in a terminal? - sudo will prompt for a password.
[05:54] <thoreauputic> david__: see my answer above
[05:54] <chris__> my ubuntu doesnt plaz mp3 ?? whz
[05:54] <thenuke> chris__: codecs?
[05:55] <chris__> how to install im a newbie
[05:55] <chris__> )
[05:55] <thenuke> chris__: http://ubuntuguide.org  check that for how to install extra codecs
[05:55] <dooglus> david__: if you have run 'sudo' in the last 5 minutes and typed your password, it won't ask for the password again.
[05:55] <IIIEars> !ubotu restrictedformats
[05:55] <ubotu> IIIEars: No idea
[05:55] <david__> thoreauputic, ty
[05:55] <reka> !restricted
[05:55] <ubotu> from memory, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:55] <IIIEars> !ubotu mp3
[05:55] <ubotu> it has been said that mp3 is MPEG 1 layer 3 audio compression, which allows for music to be traded, legally or not, over the internet., or an effective means of nonviolent civil disobedience, or patented in US and Germany (ask about ogg vorbis)
[05:55] <dooglus> david__: that's why it works on one pc and not the other
[05:55] <david__> dooglus, k
[05:55] <thenuke> chris__: bookmark that page also, it's great source of knowledge for newbies
[05:55] <johan_> can i apt-get mplayer
[05:55] <IIIEars> ubotu - you need links
[05:55] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, IIIEars
[05:55] <david__> dooglus, i'll try it on the other comp ty
[05:55] <dooglus> david__: run "sudo date" in a terminal, put in the password, then try the icon...
[05:55] <johan_> whats the name
[05:55] <thenuke> johan_: that is also in the url I gave you
[05:56] <Unintentional> no ideas about the ntfs foreign characters?
[05:56] <Amaranth> !ogg vorbis
[05:56] <ubotu> rumour has it, ogg vorbis is an MP3 alternative, see http://www.vorbis.com/.
[05:56] <johan_> sorry i just got here
[05:56] <Amaranth> IIIEars: Either ! or ubotu:, you don't need both. :)
[05:56] <redboar> !rss-glx
[05:56] <ubotu> No idea, redboar
[05:56] <redboar> awww
[05:57] <nullix>  thoreauputic, can you give a help
[05:57] <redboar> !screensaver
[05:57] <ubotu> redboar: I don't know, could you explain it?
[05:57] <david__> dooglus, this is really weird
[05:57] <johan_> sorry thenuke i dont recall talking bout mplayer here
[05:57] <dooglus> david__: I maybe have been wrong above, sorry...
[05:57] <david__> dooglus, i just went up and made the thing again
[05:57] <david__> dooglus, on my bros comp and it worked
[05:57] <dooglus> david__: but anyway, the solution is to use "gksudo nautilus" instead of "sudo nautilus"
[05:57] <david__> dooglus, no idea why it din'dt work before
[05:57] <reka> redboar: use /msg ubotu if you're testing it out
[05:57] <david__> dooglus, k
[05:58] <thoreauputic> nullix: if you can get a terminal and login with ctrl-alt-F2, do that and look at the logs
[05:58] <redboar> ok
[05:58] <ivoks> i need help :)
[05:58] <david__> dooglus, do you know how to make it default to the main filesystem instad of that folder it goes to?
[05:58] <thoreauputic> nullix: alt-F7 to return to X
[05:58] <nullix>  thoreauputic, ok I do it
[05:58] <johan_> whats the mplayer for 64 version if one
[05:58] <ivoks> thoreauputic: my fonts are ugly, what can i do? :)
[05:58] <Zodiac> download the MS ones?
[05:59] <mof> johan_, mplayer-amd64
[05:59] <thoreauputic> ivoks: I'm sure you know better than I ;)
[05:59] <johan_> great
[05:59] <ivoks> thoreauputic: no, really :)
[05:59] <david__> johan_,  ditch the 64-bit
[05:59] <mof> johan_, sudo apt-cache search mplayer
[05:59] <ivoks> thoreauputic: i upgraded from sarge to hoary, then from hoary to breezy
[05:59] <johan_>  Couldn't find package mplayer-amd64
[05:59] <ivoks> thoreauputic: now i'm back to hoary
[05:59] <reka> david__: just add the url to the end of the command e.g. nautilus /home
[05:59] <david__> i was using 64-bit, but it provides little-no advantage and it causes issues like this
[05:59] <david__> reka, ty very much i'll tyr that
[05:59] <ivoks> thoreauputic: everything is fine, but fonts got this green background :)
[05:59] <dooglus> david__: what do you mean?
[06:00] <thoreauputic> ivoks: heh - you want advice from a luser when you are a MOTU??
[06:00] <david__> reka,  that worked ty
[06:00] <ivoks> :))
[06:00] <mof> johan_, sudo apt-cache search mplayer <-- do this and look for mplayer 64
[06:00] <johan_> thanks
[06:00] <zenlunatic> How can I listen to a .pls file in Hoary?
[06:00] <lok> xmms
[06:00] <reka> zenlunatic: iirc, that's a playlist file
[06:00] <reka> isn't it?
[06:01] <johan_> no output mof
[06:01] <rosco> hi
[06:01] <zenlunatic> reka, Yes.
[06:01] <reka> zenlunatic: see lok's answer.  but i'd personally go for beep-media-player over xmms
[06:01] <rosco> I would like to know which source I should add to my ubuntu to benefit from the debian packages.... (netatalk 2.0.2)
[06:01] <johan_> whats the name of default gnome player
[06:01] <mof> johan_, ? sudo apt-cache search mplayer with no output
[06:02] <zenlunatic> reka, Does BMP decode mp3?
[06:02] <johan_> yes mof
[06:02] <Zodiac> hey felllas, which is the repository that has the DVD playback in it?
[06:02] <reka> johan_: media player? totem with the gstreamer backend
[06:02] <david__> hey, does anyone know how to bind extra mouse buttons to commands eg minimize all?
[06:02] <reka> zenlunatic: it's xmms but better-looking.
[06:02] <reka> zenlunatic: uses gtk2 rather than gtk1
[06:02] <mof> did you make an sudo apt-get update before
[06:02] <zenlunatic> reka, Yes but will it play mp3 is my question.
[06:03] <reka> zenlunatic: yes.
[06:03] <Zodiac> I should just add all of these shouldnt I
[06:03] <reka> zenlunatic: if you don't get sound working change the output plugin from "oss" to "esound" (that's for both xmms and bmp)
[06:03] <chris__> ati 9600 (TX) with 3d is that possible
[06:04] <Lafitte-> need help with setting my screen resolution to a widescreen one   anyone   i cant reconfigure it with success
[06:04] <reka> Zodiac: i think it's marillat
[06:04] <redboar> ttyl all
[06:04] <reka> bye redboar
[06:05] <johan_> yes reka but there is a music player i cant remember name
[06:05] <reka> chris__: yes. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowTo
[06:05] <gabriel82> hello how can i install firefox 1.0.4. I have 1.0.2 right know?
[06:05] <dimeo> what custom repository should I add to get w32codecs installed?
[06:05] <Zodiac> You wouldnt happen to have the link at hand would you?
[06:05] <dimeo> I can't find it in synaptic
[06:05] <reka> gabriel82: use the installer on the site.  hoary is frozen i.e. only security updates.
[06:06] <demonic_> ok
[06:06] <demonic_> anyone willing to help me
[06:06] <gabriel82> thanks reka
[06:06] <reka> dimeo: iirc, marillat.  the link is on ubuntuguide.org
[06:06] <Zodiac> is it?
[06:06] <reka> *source link (see adding repositories topic)
[06:06] <demonic_> I just installed ubuntuand the screen goign distored in X
[06:06] <Zodiac> I cant find it in their repostirys
[06:06] <demonic_> I have a ati rage
[06:07] <dimeo> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ is what I added but still no luck
[06:07] <IIIEars> dimeo - grab the needed codecs and disable that repo. - it has other packages that conflict with your ubuntu installation.
[06:07] <david__> hey, does anyone know how to bind commands to extra mouse buttons?
[06:07] <Zodiac> I dont think that is the right one
[06:07] <demonic_> thats done in xorg
[06:07] <demonic_> dammit
[06:08] <demonic_> arg
[06:08] <reka> hmmm, marillat has been taken off ubuntuguide
[06:08] <zenlunatic> reka, cool bmp with esound works
[06:08] <david__> and does anyone know the show desktop command?
[06:08] <j-rock> bmp rocks
[06:08] <QMario> Is there a program to see available wireless networks?
[06:08] <Zodiac> I thought so...
[06:08] <reka> david__: checked ubuntuforums.org yet?  might have a topic on it.
[06:09] <nekohayo> I'm looking for a way to make my touchpad work without any "features", that means no acceleration, no automatic window dragging, has anyone achieved this? In fact, I found an interesting list of xorg.conf options (http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Synaptics_Touchpad#Configuring_X) but I don't know what they do, I haven't found a glossary around.
[06:09] <WhiteRabbit> QMario, o boy is there!
[06:09] <nekohayo> QMario, "netapplet"
[06:09] <WhiteRabbit> QMario, http://www.kismetwireless.net/
[06:09] <david__> reka,  theres tons of info there and in the wiki about binding them to foward and back
[06:09] <QMario> hey
[06:09] <david__> reka, but i dont' think anyone's done what i'm trying to do yet
[06:09] <Amaranth> david__: show desktop is ctrl-alt-d
[06:10] <Zodiac> wait...
[06:10] <reka> OK. DVD: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats (section 8)
[06:10] <WhiteRabbit> QMario, or mybe you meant this http://www.bitbuilder.com/wifi_radar/
[06:10] <demonic_> omg yay I fixed it
[06:10] <david__> Amaranth, ty, i'm gonna try to mess with the irwheel config to see what i can come up with...
[06:10] <Zodiac> Darn, so what is the malliart link?
[06:10] <QMario> Thank You!!! :-D
[06:10] <voth> is there a specific way to thow ubuntu into a term only mode (non-x) to install nvidia drivers
[06:11] <Zodiac> that is the only thing I need...
[06:11] <reka> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[06:11] <reka> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[06:11] <Zodiac> thanks bro!
[06:11] <reka> Make sure you comment them out after, to avoid issues
[06:11] <Zodiac> yea I feel that
[06:12] <mof> bbl
[06:16] <Revolucion> d00d
[06:16] <nalioth> nobody is awake yet?
[06:16] <largezhang> kwifi problem: once network get out of range for a short time, only rebooting can refresh the network status. Better ways are appreciated.
[06:16] <crouton> nope
[06:17] <reka> nalioth: timeout :-)
[06:18] <largezhang> account problem: when loggined as a non-root, after running gdmsetup and input the root password, nothing follows.
[06:18] <nalioth> disquiet: have ya learnt anything new today (re linux)?
[06:18] <reka> largezhang: you type in your own password
[06:18] <david__> hey
[06:18] <david__> dooglus, remember how i was having that prob with nautilus? i just rebooted my comp and its' bugged up again
[06:18] <disquiet> I learned that... well, no. Not yet.
[06:18] <david__> dooglus, you said add gksudo instead of sudo?
[06:19] <nova> i just dont get this im stil getting the mesa garbage
[06:19] <nalioth> learning is a journey
[06:19] <nova> heh
[06:19] <crouton> a long journey
[06:20] <nova> and one with many a reinstall of ubuntu :)
[06:20] <reka> david__: iirc, gksudo is just the graphical password prompt.  sudo is used in terminals
[06:20] <Bols> hmm.. is there a web based repository where I can search for available packages, plz?
[06:20] <crouton> gentoo is worse than ubuntu, at least in my experience, when it comes to reinstallations over and over
[06:20] <david__> reka, oh, would you know why when i reboot i can't use nautilus anymore?
[06:20] <nalioth> nova: really? i havent had to (knock on wood) reinstall once
[06:20] <reka> nova: if the xorg drivers work. why switch to ati's?
[06:20] <WhiteRabbit> Bols, synaptic
[06:20] <Amaranth> Bols: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[06:20] <Bols> Amaranth, thx
[06:20] <Burgundavia> nova, have you followed wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:20] <nova> because http://im.very.afraid.org/rubies
[06:20] <largezhang> reka: it happens i set both password to be indentical. will that be a problem?
[06:20] <Zodiac> hey reka, I added those repos, and still I cannot find libdvdcss2
[06:20] <nalioth> Bols: you may search in synaptic
[06:20] <nova> notice the graphics glitch in those screen shots
[06:21] <BrokenSword> hi, how do i restart smb server?
[06:21] <crouton> david__: You're on FIOS?  You like?
[06:21] <nova> doesnt realy apply to what im trying to do
[06:21] <Bols> nalioth, I don't have ubuntu at this moment...
[06:21] <nalioth> largezhang: no problem at all
[06:21] <rosco> /etc/rc.d/init.d/smbd restart
[06:21] <david__> crouton, yep-how did you figure that one out?
[06:21] <nova> thats wfine for the xorg ones but not the ati rpm to deb
[06:21] <rosco> /etc/rc.d/init.d/nmbd restart
[06:21] <BrokenSword> thanks rosco
[06:21] <nalioth> Bols: ah, well that was the assumption
[06:22] <david__> crouton, it's fast as hell when it's workign but it still buggers up at times, not as much as the old service though
[06:22] <reka> Zodiac: apt-get update
[06:22] <crouton> david__: Your join shows hostname. :)
[06:22] <david__> crouton, ohh
[06:22] <crouton> Didn't know DC had it yet... thought it was Texas/Cali
[06:22] <Zodiac> I got errors
[06:23] <reka> Zodiac: ubuntu.pastebin.com
[06:23] <Zodiac> oh snao
[06:23] <Zodiac> I got it
[06:23] <Zodiac> I think...
[06:23] <Zodiac> ha ha
[06:23] <BrokenSword> there's nos such a /etc/rc.d dir
[06:23] <nova> lol some one just random /msged me with a link to whats likly ither 1 a porn image or 2 a virus
[06:23] <Zodiac> I guess that worked
[06:23] <reka> Zodiac: what was it?
[06:24] <dr_willis> rc0.d/      rc2.d/      rc4.d/
[06:24] <crouton> BrokenSword: In some linux distros, yes.
[06:24] <nalioth> nova: aint it great, tha you can check out the pR0n w/o fear of violation?
[06:24] <dr_willis> the one used depends on the runlevel.
[06:24] <Zodiac> well there were dependency errors when I did the apt-get update
[06:24] <nova> heh
[06:24] <BrokenSword> im using ubuntu 5.04
[06:24] <thoreauputic> BrokenSword: /etc/init.d/
[06:24] <Zodiac> but when I grabbed the DVD file it installed it
[06:24] <nova> i dont waste space on  my hd with pron lol
[06:24] <Zodiac> once I said Y
[06:24] <crouton> I think RHAS uses rc.d directories
[06:25] <BrokenSword> thanks thoreauputic
[06:25] <reka> Zodiac: now comment out marillat and apt-get update again.
[06:25] <zenlunatic> My audio is skipping.
[06:25] <Burgundavia> nova, what are you trying to do?
[06:25] <dr_willis> some mini disrtos use just a single rc.d
[06:25] <crouton> zenlunatic: CD or MP3?
[06:25] <nova> this Burgundavia http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495&page=1&pp=10
[06:26] <nova> one post says 50% increase in fps that aloan makes it worth it if i can get these to work
[06:26] <crouton> any opinions on I/O schedulers?
[06:26] <Zodiac> okay no errors
[06:26] <Zodiac> now lets see if I can play a DVD ...
[06:27] <reka> Zodiac: now try and play a dvd
[06:27] <crouton> specifically, anticipatory vs Deadline vs CFQ
[06:27] <synd`> *yawn*
[06:27] <zenlunatic> crouton, Streaming mp3 using BMP
[06:27] <Zodiac> *crosses fingers*
[06:27] <Zodiac> ha ha
[06:27] <Zodiac> It worked
[06:27] <crouton> zenlunatic: maybe a buffer issue?
[06:27] <reka> Zodiac: is it choppy?
[06:27] <Zodiac> umm
[06:27] <zenlunatic> crouton, I don't think so its a small stream and I'm on broadband.
[06:28] <Zodiac> I cant tell yet
[06:28] <Zodiac> I may not have sound either
[06:28] <Burgundavia> nova, there is serious chance you will mess your system up seriously with that
[06:28] <nova> then i just go back and redo every thing
[06:28] <Zodiac> hmm
[06:28] <Zodiac> no sound
[06:28] <nova> takes like 2 hours
[06:29] <reka> Zodiac: is this in totem?
[06:29] <nova> would be the 3rd hoseing of ubuntu for me
[06:29] <Zodiac> yes
[06:29] <reka> (1) try: killall esd
[06:29] <reka> (2) use totem-xine, rather than totem-gstreamer
[06:29] <delire> hello kids
[06:30] <reka> hi
[06:30] <crouton> hello old person
[06:30] <crouton> :)
[06:30] <BrokenSword> how can i check o ut if mysql is running or not?
[06:30] <Zodiac> totem xine?
[06:30] <crouton> BrokenSword: ps aux
[06:30] <Zodiac> Can I easily switch back if I need to?
[06:30] <crouton> BrokenSword: ps aux | grep mysql would work better, i suppose
[06:30] <reka> Zodiac: same thing.  it just uses the xine backend rather than the default gstreamer.
[06:30] <thoreauputic> Zodiac: you won't need to...
[06:30] <BrokenSword> ok thanks crouton
[06:31] <Tritis> afternoon all.   I had a system freeze while I was asleep :(  Anyone know how to check for what happened
[06:31] <Zodiac> okay so how do I switch?
[06:31] <reka> Zodiac: did killall esd do anything?
[06:31] <thoreauputic> Zodiac: install totem-xine
[06:31] <delire> Tritis: check out /var/log/syslog
[06:31] <Zodiac> not that I can tell
[06:31] <delire> Tritis: X or the kernel? the latter is very rare
[06:31] <david__> alright, who here knows anything about imwheelrc?
[06:31] <reka> Zodiac: ok.  i'd try totem-xine
[06:32] <Zodiac> in the package manager?
[06:32] <Zodiac> oh man
[06:32] <Zodiac> it wants to uninstall gstreamer...
[06:32] <reka> confirm
[06:32] <Zodiac> Should I do it?
[06:32] <BrokenSword> s+ means the program is running?
[06:32] <Zodiac> ok
[06:32] <Tritis> delire: Kernel.  I couldn't alt+control+backspace, or delete or f1-f6.  And i couldn't ssh in from my laptop
[06:32] <largezhang> xine keeps complaining about missing cook.so.6.0 but i have 'ln -s' cook.so to that name. why? Thanks
[06:32] <thoreauputic> Zodiac: that's right
[06:33] <reka> that's what you want.  you're switching to totem-xine remember.
[06:33] <crouton> BrokenSword: s+ means sleeping, i think.  not performing operations at that moment
[06:33] <BrokenSword> oh
[06:33] <Tritis> delire: Last line of my syslog.0 Jun  4 07:35:51 localhost exiting on signal 15
[06:33] <crouton> man ps for more info
[06:33] <thoreauputic> Zodiac: the xine backend will replace the gstreamer one
[06:34] <Zodiac> ok it is working... but I assumed gstreamer was better
[06:34] <reka> thoreauputic: am i right in suggesting him to do that if sound doesn't work?
[06:34] <thoreauputic> Zodiac: work in progress
[06:34] <thoreauputic> reka: it's basically what I did myself :)
[06:34] <Zodiac> ok lets see if it worked...
[06:35] <reka> thoreauputic: me too.  just wanted confirmation i guess :-)
[06:35] <thoreauputic> reka: I also applied the fix on ubuntuguide.org that uses (IIRC) dmix
[06:35] <Zodiac> ha ha
[06:35] <Zodiac> ok lets see if it worked
[06:35] <Zodiac> ha ha
[06:35] <Zodiac> it worked
[06:35] <BrokenSword> when i first installed ubuntu i did not choose to install mysql,  but i see /etc/mysql does that mean it's installed?
[06:35] <Zodiac> nice
[06:35] <reka> thoreauputic: lol, this link? http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[06:36] <crouton> BrokenSword: You can do a search in synpatic for 'mysql' and see if it's installed, or some related files.
[06:36] <Zodiac> Thanks boys
[06:36] <Zodiac> you done me good :)
[06:36] <reka> thoreauputic: hopefully this fiddly stuff will be fixed by breezy.
[06:36] <crouton> General question: Is LVM required for Ubuntu?
[06:36] <synd`> hopefully not
[06:36] <reka> Zodiac: is the playback smooth?
[06:36] <mjr> crouton, no
[06:36] <synd`> its fun to fix : )
[06:37] <crouton> mjr - ..so why does it mention it explicitly in the startup statements?
[06:37] <BrokenSword> crouton,  where is synpatic
[06:37] <mjr> crouton, because you can set LVM up during install if you want?
[06:37] <crouton> BrokenSword: sorry, synaptic.
[06:37] <Zodiac> umm
[06:37] <synd`> BrokenSword, System > Admin
[06:37] <Zodiac> I cant tell yet... it is the opening scene from spaceballs
[06:37] <Zodiac> But I think it is
[06:38] <crouton> mjr - Ah.  RedHat4 uses LVM automatically, I thought it was the same here.
[06:38] <synd`> BrokenSword, Synaptic Package Manager
[06:38] <Lenny1729> Has anybody managed to get a Fritz ISDN card working under ubuntu? I followed the IsdnHowtoHoary but it doent work
[06:38] <BrokenSword> thanks crouton  and synd
[06:38] <reka> Zodiac: another common problem.  http://ubuntuguide.org/#speedupcddvdrom (replace /dev/cdrom with /dev/dvd)
[06:38] <crouton> np
[06:39] <Unintentional> Does anyone know how I can find the charset and codepage to a windows partition?  All my files with foreign characters can't be read.
[06:39] <synd`> dammit i just downloaded the tiger dvd .iso but i have no dvd burner : (
[06:39] <nalioth> synd`: are you being helpful this morning?
[06:39] <synd`> NO
[06:39] <crouton> synd`: I'm told it's particularly difficult to burn Tiger on a non-apple system.
[06:39] <nalioth> synd`: why would you d/l an image w/o a way to externalize it?
[06:39] <ern1e> ive been searching all morning for a multi platform desktop extending program, i saw it a while back on sourceforge and cant find it anywhere, anyone know what it is called
[06:39] <nalioth> crouton: nah, dmg2iso.pl
[06:39] <synd`> crouton, i didnt download it on my ubuntu box :p
[06:40] <synd`> crouton, i downloaded it on my imac
[06:40] <crouton> synd`: Ah.  No superdrive?
[06:40] <synd`> nalioth, that is a good question.
[06:40] <synd`> crouton, no : (
[06:40] <crouton> Doh!
[06:40] <nalioth> crouton: and obviously no external fw dvd burner
[06:40] <mjr> Unintentional, if you're using Hoary with default utf-8 locales, add iocharset=utf-8 to mount options (I think)
[06:40] <crouton> Indeed. heh
[06:40] <chaitatp> hi guys, i got a problem about my /etc/resolv.conf
[06:41] <crouton> howy chai
[06:41] <synd`> nalioth, crouton, i have a friend with a powerbook 17" so im gonna yak it from him and burn it
[06:41] <chaitatp> i edit it
[06:41] <chaitatp> by vi
[06:41] <nalioth> synd`: just trade the img for the pb
[06:41] <crouton> synd`:  Sounds like a plan.  I'd love to get an old G4 but I've got too many computers already.
[06:41] <david__> hey
[06:41] <chaitatp> adding dns but then after a while the system just change it to the initial value
[06:41] <nalioth> crouton: BITE your tongue! too many puters?
[06:41] <david__> does anyone else find the mouse sens/accel menu to be buggered?
[06:42] <chaitatp> how could i change it permanently
[06:42] <david__> eg: accel changes sens, sens does nothing
[06:42] <crouton> nalioth: 6 in a 1/1 apt, in various states of use/configuration. :p
[06:42] <synd`> crouton, i wanna old powermac g4 dual
[06:42] <crouton> dualie would be excellent
[06:42] <Scorpinf> how do i execute/install  *.deb file?
[06:43] <crouton> Scorpinf: dpkg -i blah.deb
[06:43] <reka> Scorpinf: what is it?
[06:43] <synd`> ultra multitasking : )
[06:43] <Scorpinf> ok tnx
[06:43] <nalioth> crouton: rack mounts + kvm
[06:43] <chaitatp> i add it from Network settings
[06:43] <Zodiac> all right
[06:43] <crouton> synd`:  lol.  I've got 3 hooked up right here... 1 ubuntu, 1 XP, 1 debian woody
[06:43] <Zodiac> it worked
[06:43] <chaitatp> the dns
[06:43] <Zodiac> great!
[06:43] <Scorpinf> reka: nero
[06:43] <synd`> XP! BOO!
[06:44] <crouton> nalioth: Shit, I wish.  No way the spouse will live with a rack.
[06:44] <reka> Zodiac: anything else?  mp3s work OK?
[06:44] <jugarnatha> howdy all. I have the accursed dell optiplex gx1 and i think i've finally got my soundcard working
[06:44] <reka> :-)
[06:44] <jugarnatha> but my main volume control is stuck.
[06:44] <crouton> synd`: Got to play WoW.
[06:44] <nalioth> crouton: then get rid of monitors + kvm
[06:44] <jugarnatha> I can't keep it up. heh.
[06:44] <crouton> nalioth: Already have KVM
[06:44] <jugarnatha> anyone have any advice?
[06:44] <reka> Scorpinf: ah.  i was gonna recommend checking repositories first, but ... move along :-)
[06:44] <Zodiac> yea no doubt
[06:44] <Zodiac> Reka thanks a lot man
[06:44] <nekohayo> how can I quickly unmess one of my panels without gui?
[06:44] <Zodiac> you were a great help
[06:45] <delire> Scorpinf: apt is just a frontend to dpkg. apt handles the retreival AND installation (dpkg -i) of pacakges.
[06:45] <nalioth> crouton: ya got one monitor plus 2 puters and one doorstop?
[06:45] <synd`> crouton, i got this ubuntu box, my ibook g4 (with an external monitor, spanned desktop) and a 15" toshiba laptop running ubuntu xfce
[06:45] <reka> Zodiac: sure.  make notes! for your next reinstallation if needed.  and for when you help other peopl out. :-)
[06:45] <crouton> nalioth: 2 monitors (dual-head, yum) + KVM + 3 comps all hooked up and running. Wife's got another box, and 2 more that aren't in use atm.
[06:45] <Zodiac> ha ha
[06:45] <Zodiac> I did
[06:45] <nalioth> crouton: ah
[06:45] <reka> nekohayo: unmess?
[06:46] <Zodiac> Man isn't Nokia supporting Gstreamer these days?
[06:46] <crouton> jugarnatha: volume isn't staying put?
[06:46] <reka> Zodiac: well, you're all set up on the media front. :-)
[06:46] <delire> Zodiac: i believe so
[06:46] <nalioth> crouton: get rid of your rats nest, buy a dual opteron and both of you can run off of it (with linux of course)
[06:46] <crouton> nalioth, synd: 3 scanners too. Too much stuff.
[06:46] <nekohayo> reka, yes, I wanted to turn on the transparency (not xcompositing eh, the one with the panel only)
[06:46] <Zodiac> So why is Xine better?
[06:46] <Zodiac> Weird
[06:46] <thoreauputic> Zodiac: gstreamer isn't quite there yet, IMO
[06:46] <nekohayo> and it's so messed up that it always crashes, and I can't change it
[06:47] <nekohayo> pretty desesperate
[06:47] <thoreauputic> Zodiac: gstreamer is fairly new...
[06:47] <crouton> nalioth: As soon as AMD-X2's come down.. (maybe january) I'm going to do some consolidation
[06:47] <nekohayo> so if I could edit it in some config file..
[06:47] <jugarnatha> nope. I slide it up and it slides right back down almost instantly.
[06:47] <Zodiac> Yea I guess so... when it gets better you guys will let me know right :)
[06:47] <synd`> i wanna put ubuntu on this athlon 1.3 but when i was fiddling around with it, i took out the processor and now i have lost it!
[06:47] <nalioth> crouton: btw, i am a home for unwanted equipment
[06:47] <reka> nekohayo: i think you can remove .gnome2 or something to reset.  get another opinion though!
[06:47] <nekohayo> any ideas?
[06:47] <crouton> anybody with soundmixer experience can help juga?
[06:48] <nekohayo> well.. removing my ENTIRE gnome configuration would be a bit annoying
[06:48] <Lenny1729> Has anybody managed to get isdn working with a FRITZ card? I read the IsdnHowtoHoary but it didnt work.
[06:48] <crouton> nalioth: hehe.  I haven't mentioned the graveyard of comps I tinker with at work.  More AMD K7-700s than you can shake a stick at.
[06:48] <Zodiac> the next big front is going to be wireless internet... but that is a poject for another day
[06:48] <synd`> Zodiac, wireless is cake
[06:48] <nalioth> crouton: can you say "cluster"?
[06:48] <thoreauputic> nekohayo: move/ backup the files first so you can restore them later
[06:48] <crouton> Lenny1729: You checked the ubuntu forums?
[06:48] <Scorpinf> getting crazy on the DMA, i thought i turned it on but nero says no :-(
[06:48] <reka> nekohayo: join #gnome
[06:49] <crouton> nalioth: It's a thought, would like to get some cluster experience.  Maybe do PXE server farm?
[06:49] <reka> or do what thoreauputic said :-)
[06:49] <Zodiac> ha ha
[06:49] <nekohayo> well, why backup and restore, wouldn't that be the same as specifically removing the "panel" config fileS?
[06:49] <Zodiac> I dunno synd
[06:49] <Zodiac> I hope you are right though :)
[06:49] <nekohayo> which should be under .gnome2
[06:49] <nalioth> crouton: whatever you can convice the boss to let you screw off on, er produce results with
[06:49] <Zodiac> well take care fellas! See you round, thanks again for all your help!
[06:49] <thoreauputic> nekohayo: that way you can put things back in bits, and see which setting caused the problem
[06:49] <reka> bye Zodiac
[06:50] <Zodiac> bye reka :)
[06:50] <crouton> nalioth: Indeed.. they want some linux cluster experience, maybe I can take a couple days and get up to speed
[06:50] <crouton> Anybody have problems with volume slider not staying put?
[06:51] <nalioth> crouton: and remember, i take old eqpt
[06:51] <jugarnatha> also, a lot of the faders in Volume Control keep locking themselves. not sure if that matters.
[06:51] <crouton> nalioth: heh
[06:52] <nalioth> crouton: volume slider being moved once and changes next boot?
[06:52] <reka> crouton: the applet or the volume setting?
[06:52] <crouton> nalioth: I'm fronting for jugarnatha, he's the one with problems. :)
[06:52] <dahz> I have Ubuntu installed on my laptop and I'd like to install Xfce on it as my GUI, how do I go about doing this? (i am new to linux)
[06:52] <synd`> dahz, sudo apt-get install xfce4
[06:52] <crouton> dahz: Check the ubuntuforums, there should be a guide on how to do that
[06:52] <jugarnatha> no it changes instantly. slides all the way back down.
[06:52] <nalioth> jugarnatha: : volume slider being moved once and changes next boot?
[06:52] <jugarnatha> no it changes instantly. slides all the way back down.
[06:52] <synd`> dahz, or open up Synaptic and search for xfce4
[06:52] <thoreauputic> dahz: enable the universe repository first
[06:52] <nalioth> jugarnatha: thats out of my league
[06:53] <synd`> yeah yeah
[06:53] <thoreauputic> !repositories
[06:53] <ubotu> from memory, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:53] <BrokenSword> hrmmm i don't see mysql on synaptic list
[06:53] <synd`> !synd is i love you synd
[06:53] <ubotu> synd`: okay
[06:53] <dahz> which repository do i need to add?
[06:54] <thoreauputic> dahz: universe
[06:54] <reka> thoreauputic: ubuntuguide's topic includes backports and not marillat.  pehaps you should add a note saying this and that they should comment them out after use
[06:54] <stjepan> hello
[06:55] <crouton> Anybody running on the A7N266/Nforce board?
[06:55] <crouton> hi stjepan
[06:55] <synd`> does the guy who wrote the ubuntuguide ever come here?
[06:55] <thoreauputic> reka: ? I'm not associted with ubuntuguide.org - what do you mean?
[06:55] <nalioth> !restricted
[06:55] <ubotu> I guess restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:55] <stjepan> who does use ADSL with Ubuntu?
[06:56] <ubuntu> stjepan, I do I have an ethernet card that talks to an adsl router this makes the most sense to me
[06:57] <reka> thoreauputic: they add the backports repos to their sample sources.list  isn't this asking for trouble judging by problems people have had?
[06:57] <ubuntu> stjepan, are you talking about a specific adsl card with ubuntu?
[06:57] <Varanger> okease... my sound card isn't working well... please I need help
[06:57] <reka> thoreauputic: i meant a note in the bot's response :-)
[06:57] <thoreauputic> reka: "they" is actually one guy from Singapore IIRC
[06:57] <jugarnatha> een nederlander! kijk!
[06:57] <stjepan> I have usb, wireless
[06:58] <thoreauputic> reka: you can change the bot's responses - just do "no, ubuntuguide is ...." (If that's the topic/keyword)
[06:58] <thoreauputic> reka: best to /msg the bot to keep the chan from spam, though
[06:58] <crouton> Varanger: We need a little more information than that to help
[06:58] <synd`> !ubuntuguide
[06:58] <ubotu> synd`: I don't know, could you explain it?
[06:59] <thoreauputic> so, which topic?
[06:59] <reka> repositories, iirc
[06:59] <thoreauputic> reka: that's a wiki entry
[06:59] <thoreauputic> not ubuntuguide
[06:59] <ubuntu> stjepan, I have a wireless card that just works with ubuntu, however if you click on System -> administration -> Networking, you may find that you can get it to work
[07:00] <stjepan> ubuntu, how?
[07:00] <Amaranth> ubotu: ubuntuguide is a helpful guide for new users located at http://ubuntuguide.org
[07:00] <ubotu> okay, Amaranth
[07:00] <stjepan> how to set up it?
[07:00] <nalioth> thoreauputic:  i like the fact i can !say something in response to a question and point the questioner to the bots response
[07:00] <reka> well there goes my argument :-/ *smacks forehead*
[07:00] <thoreauputic> reka: I tens to agree about backports though - I don't think they should be there
[07:00] <ubuntu> stjepan, did you click on that?
[07:00] <reka> thoreauputic: sorry!
[07:00] <thoreauputic> s/tens/tends
[07:01] <thoreauputic> tend actually
[07:01] <ubuntu> thoreauputic, can type, albeit badly :)
[07:01] <stjepan> ubuntu: what do I need to do?L
[07:02] <thoreauputic> !who owns you
[07:02] <ubotu> cafuego does
[07:02] <ubuntu> stjepan, you click on that and if the card is visible as an icon there you may be able to enable it
[07:02] <rj45> hi
[07:03] <crouton> What's wrong with the backports?
[07:03] <Varanger> crouton: I've got an Intel HD Audio and I follow every guide in the net (google) and I keep getting "scratchy" audio
[07:03] <rj45> how can I change the vsftpd default directory for a user?
[07:03] <ubuntu> stjepan, if you can't you should try to find out the name of the card and use the ubuntu web site to see if there is a fix, if you can't find it there, try google,
[07:03] <DekaPink> Is there a way to mount a CD image file in Ubuntu? :3
[07:04] <Lenny1729> What can I do when a package refuses to uninstall?
[07:04] <crouton> Varanger: Don't know anything about Intel HD audio, sorry.. have you checked the ubuntu forums?
[07:04] <crouton> DekaPink: You could mount it loopback, I think
[07:04] <DekaPink> crouton: Ooooh... How would I go about doing that? :3
[07:05] <Varanger> crouton: every guid in Ubuntu, ALSA and info about other distros
[07:05] <crouton> DekaPink: try 'mount -o loop -t iso9660 filename.iso /mnt/iso'
[07:05] <nalioth> crouton: they can come back and bite your backside with future upgrades
[07:05] <crouton> Varanger: sorry, don't know anything else that could help
[07:05] <DekaPink> crouton: Thank you. :D
[07:05] <synd`> whats the command to find out what kinda processor, its mhz/ghz and the RAM?
[07:06] <crouton> DekaPink: Did that work?
[07:06] <BlackShuck> Having problems with XOrg locking up when I exit GUI or change modes.  I seen this before on a previous distribution.  I solved that, by using the nvidia GLX driver, which worked alot better.  I want to use that on ubuntu, but when I try to add it, it wants to "give" me a prebuilt kernel.  I rolled my own kernel, as the provided one does not work very reliabily on my AMD64 system.  How can I get the nvidia GLX kernel driver, but not the ubuntu linux k
[07:06] <reka> Varanger: tried this? http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly (gnome)
[07:06] <DekaPink> crouton: Going to try it now.
[07:07] <crouton> synd`: Can't you do a cat of something in /proc  to get that?
[07:07] <chaitatp> ...
[07:07] <synd`> crouton, i have no idea
[07:08] <crouton> synd`: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[07:08] <crouton> synd`: Though I'm sure the Device Manager can give you cleaner info
[07:08] <chaitatp> ????
[07:09] <chaitatp> ...
[07:09] <crouton> chaitatp: ?
[07:09] <synd`> crouton, but command line is oh so much more fun : )
[07:09] <chaitatp> need help about dns crouton :D
[07:09] <chaitatp> crouton, by default /etc/resolv.conf contains the line
[07:09] <Varanger> reka: I haven't but I am not using using esd... I am using ALSA or OSS under Multimedia System Selector
[07:09] <crouton> chaitatp: Eek.. not very knowledgeable about that
[07:09] <BlackShuck> in Gentoo speak, I could inject a package to fool the package manager, that the dependency was met.  How do I do this in ubuntu:?
[07:09] <chaitatp> crouton, nameserver 192.168.1.1
[07:10] <chaitatp> crouton, oh just tell you:D
[07:10] <nalioth> synd`: hear hear viva la command line
[07:10] <chaitatp> crouton, with that i can ping any hostname
[07:10] <chaitatp> any url
[07:10] <reka> Varanger: i'd try it anyway.  iirc, they deal with ditching oss and installing alsa
[07:10] <reka> *it deals with
[07:10] <synd`> what about finding out the max RAM?
[07:10] <chaitatp> but i can't open web by hostname in firefox and can't use Gaim to connect to msn server
[07:10] <synd`> in command line
[07:10] <crouton> synd`: free?
[07:11] <synd`> crouton, no, max
[07:11] <chaitatp> unless i add more dns sever into /etc/resolv.conf
[07:11] <crouton> synd`: Should tell you anyways
[07:11] <Varanger> reka: I have built the lastest alsa sources from alsa-project.org
[07:11] <crouton> chaitatp: Are you getting your IP static or dynamic?
[07:11] <synd`> crouton, so whats the cmd : P
[07:12] <crouton> synd`: 'free -g'
[07:12] <crouton> or -m if you prefer megabytes
[07:12] <chaitatp> dynamic i think
[07:12] <synd`> crouton, i was wondering why they all said 0 !
[07:12] <chaitatp> dynamic from my router
[07:12] <reka> Varanger: i'll leave it up to you.   it's just that that's how i fixed my sound woes.
[07:12] <chaitatp> crouton, dynamic from my router
[07:13] <crouton> chaitatp: Have you tried entering the nameserver from your router into /etc/resov.conf?
[07:13] <[Thorrn4] > Hello!! recently my computer has been running slow...since 2 days ago....it takes awhile to boot up (GRUB) and applications take awhile to load...what cause be causing this problem? I have looked into my CPU % usage and it does not help...
[07:13] <crouton> It should have done that anyways, i think
[07:13] <noggin> I'm trying to install a new desktop for Ubunto 5.04, XFCE.  I think gcc is not in my path, and I think that is why my install is failing (log says gcc: command not found).  I think gcc is installed, but I don't know how to find what directory its in.
[07:13] <chaitatp> crouton, the name server from my router?
[07:13] <chaitatp> crouton, i have tried adding other name server in it
[07:13] <oDysseas> [Thorrn4] : what motherboard do you have?
[07:14] <crouton> chaitatp: Hmm
[07:14] <chaitatp> but after a while the system just change it to the original
[07:14] <crouton> noggin: Do you have gcc installed?
[07:14] <reka> noggin: type "which gcc" (w/o quotes)
[07:14] <crouton> noggin: gcc -v
[07:14] <thoreauputic> noggin: you need build-essential - but why are you compiling xfce?
[07:14] <Varanger> reka: Do you also have Intel HD Audio?
[07:14] <lucia80> hi all
[07:14] <crouton> hi lucia80
[07:14] <[Thorrn4] > oDysseas, is there a way to check? I know that it is a AMD compatible motherboard, made by Dragon
[07:14] <reka> Varanger: Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[07:14] <reka> i think so :-)
[07:14] <lucia80> crouton, is it possible to have a minimal cd and install ubuntu via ethernet ?
[07:14] <crouton> [Thorrn4] : You could open the case :)
[07:15] <noggin> I think I do.  The installer said if tound it.  I wasn't trying to build it, I downloaded an installer (but I'm newbis).... I'll try "which gcc"
[07:15] <lucia80> crouton, like many other distro ?
[07:15] <crouton> lucia80: Oy.  I'm sure it's possible, I don't know offhand how to do it
[07:15] <Varanger> reak: 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)
[07:15] <crouton> lucia80: You may want to hit the forums and do a search, surely someone has had your same question
[07:15] <thoreauputic> noggin: you don't need to compile xfce4 - just enable the universe repo and install from synaptic
[07:16] <reka> noggin: easiest way of installing xfce is by installing the xfce4 package like thoreauputic said.
[07:16] <lucia80> crouton, 'cause i don't find a minimal cd...do you know is it is ?
[07:16] <thoreauputic> noggin: you are doing it the hard way
[07:16] <reka> Varanger: i guess not then. :-(
[07:16] <thoreauputic> !repositories
[07:16] <noggin> Ok, thanks thoreauputic and reka.  I'll try that.  I looked at the XFCE site and it had a graphical installer and that is what I was trying to use
[07:16] <ubotu> repositories is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:16] <thoreauputic> noggin: read the bot's URL above
[07:17] <noggin> Ok thanks :)  On a side note, does anyone know of any free PCB schematic and layout programs for Linux?
[07:17] <crouton> lucia80: I don't see a minimal CD either
[07:17] <noggin> Eagle is one, but its limited.  I may use it though....
[07:17] <lucia80> crouton, in fact..ok thanks
[07:17] <Varanger> reka: can you send me your /etc/modprobe.d/sound file pleasE?
[07:18] <nalioth> noggin: try searching sourceforge.net
[07:18] <noggin> okies
[07:18] <noggin> off to read now, thanks everyone
[07:18] <marjorie> Guys what is the "mii" module?
[07:18] <reka> Varanger: hmm, i don't have one.
[07:18] <Varanger> reka: We don't have exactly the same card but did you have the same problems?
[07:18] <DekaPink> crouton: There we go... I had to convert it to .iso with bchunk first, though. :)
[07:18] <crouton> DekaPink: Excellent, glad it works.
[07:18] <Varanger> reka:and about the problems?
[07:19] <BlackShuck> stupid question, how I do start and stop services?
[07:19] <nalioth> good ol' binchunker
[07:19] <reka> Varanger: not "scratchy" audio per se.  i had problems with audio not working now and then.
[07:19] <DekaPink> crouton: Thanks again. :)
[07:19] <crouton> marjorie: It's related to how your network card works, you can enable/module it with no worries.
[07:19] <crouton> DekaPink: No problem.
[07:19] <BlackShuck> I want to stop gdm, kill xwindows, but leave me with a console...
[07:19] <Amaranth> BlackShuck: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[07:19] <thoreauputic> BlackShuck: sudo /etc/init.d/nameof service stop|start|restart  and so on
[07:20] <trixsey> Hey guys
[07:20] <trixsey> I need help :)
[07:20] <nalioth> BlackShuck: <ctrl><alt><f2> and up to f6 will get you a console
[07:20] <crouton> hi trixsey
[07:20] <trixsey> crouton, you know MPlayer?
[07:20] <crouton> nalioth: Damn, beat me to it
[07:20] <Amaranth> nalioth: f1 too
[07:20] <crouton> trixsey: Nope, sorry
[07:20] <trixsey> I've compiled and installed it, yet it wont work
[07:20] <BlackShuck> I need to kill X server to install the nvidia stuff
[07:20] <marjorie> Crouton: Thank you, how can i find out if a modul is accessing a paticular device (a pcmcia wlan card in my case)
[07:20] <trixsey> I can run it through terminal but I cant run it through a movie file
[07:20] <reka> nalioth: i never knew what the difference b/n <f1> - <f6> is.  not that i've tried.
[07:20] <nalioth> Amaranth: my <f1> has crap in it
[07:20] <crouton> marjorie: You can run 'lsmod' if it's already in use
[07:20] <nalioth> reka: just diffent logins
[07:20] <[Thorrn4] > I have a quick question...everytime I try to open a new movie in Kaffeine...it crashes....is there a fix or something for it?
[07:21] <reka> ah
[07:21] <thoreauputic> BlackShuck: amaranth's answer will do it
[07:21] <BlackShuck> still finding my way around, too many different things, coming from Gentoo...
[07:21] <trixsey> Anyone in here using MPlayer?
[07:21] <trixsey> Anyone in here using MPlayer?
[07:21] <trixsey> :(
[07:21] <crouton> BlackShuck: could always ctrl-alt-backspace to kill X. :)
[07:21] <nalioth> [Thorrn4] : are you in kubuntu? i've found kde apps dont like running in gnome (ymmv)
[07:21] <pablo_> hello i got a problem on hoary with audio, i have to run alsaconf everytime i wanna hear something. anyone got a clue on how to fix the config for alsa?
[07:21] <BlackShuck> does it not respawn?
[07:21] <Amaranth> nalioth: yeah, i get crap dumped there sometimes too, just pretend it isn't there and type in your username
[07:21] <marjorie> Crouton: I can see it in lsdmod but was hopeing for more detailed info
[07:21] <[Thorrn4] > Im in Ubuntu nalioth
[07:21] <thoreauputic> crouton: that will just restart gdm though
[07:21] <Amaranth> trixsey: I use xine and vlc, sorry.
[07:21] <trixsey> oh :(
[07:21] <crouton> thoreauputic: ah, true
[07:21] <trixsey> VLC sucks :p
[07:21] <trixsey> Player rulez
[07:21] <marjorie> Bascially I need to kill anything ndiswrapper wants to access
[07:21] <trixsey> MPlayer
[07:22] <nalioth> Amaranth: well, f2-f6 are more than enough for me
[07:22] <[Thorrn4] > Im run xfce, gnome, and kde....and all of them have the same problem
[07:22] <crouton> marjorie: You could rmmod it, maybe?
[07:22] <marjorie> sacrey :)
[07:22] <crouton> heh
[07:22] <delire> [Thorrn4] : what problem?
[07:22] <marjorie> Then our chat might stop :)
[07:22] <BlackShuck> shame ndiswrapper is not in the default ubuntu install.  I wasted this whole afternoon trying to get networked, because it was not already there...
[07:22] <Amaranth> trixsey: If it 'rulez' so much why do you need help with it?
[07:22] <chaitatp> crouton,
[07:22] <[Thorrn4] > trixsey, how can u maximize a movie in mplayer...is stays small what the program is opened all the way
[07:22] <crouton> chaitatp: aye?
[07:23] <[Thorrn4] > delire, everytime I try to open a new movie in Kaffeine...it crashes
[07:23] <chaitatp> crouton, the problem is when i change resolv.conf the system just change it to the original content
[07:23] <Amaranth> [Thorrn4] : You need to start mplayer with the -zoom option
[07:23] <delire> BlackShuck: if you want non-free stuff like java, proprietary video card drivers, codecs and ndiswrapper etc go with something like Mepis.
[07:23] <chaitatp> so now i chmod -w resolv.conf, crouton
[07:23] <crouton> chaitatp: Are you editing it with sudo?
[07:23] <chaitatp> crouton, yes
[07:23] <marjorie> Blackshuck: I think the acx module and ndiswrapper dont really get on
[07:23] <crouton> hmm
[07:23] <megabit> Hi I install KDE what am I need when I want to KDER running now I install kubuntu-desktop. Need I some next package?
[07:23] <delire> BlackShuck: ubuntu will always be more difficult as it has more integrity.
[07:23] <chaitatp> crouton, so that the system can't change it after i have change it
[07:23] <chaitatp> crouton, is that a good idea?
[07:23] <reka> pablo_: running gnome?
[07:23] <crouton> chaitatp: Suppose so, if it works. :)
[07:24] <pablo_> yes reka
[07:24] <reka> !fixsound
[07:24] <ubotu> well, fixsound is http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[07:24] <nalioth> megabit: if you have installed kubuntu-desktop, then you may choose 'sessions' at your login screen and pick kd3
[07:24] <chaitatp> crouton, need to study more about dns
[07:24] <nalioth> kde
[07:24] <[Thorrn4] > so... do I have to run it in the terminal everytime Amaranth?
[07:24] <delire> [Thorrn4] : odd, i don't use Kaffeine. perhaps join a #kde or #kaffeine channel?
[07:24] <chaitatp> crouton, i thought that only ip of my router is enough for resolving hostname
[07:24] <Amaranth> [Thorrn4] : You can use smeg to edit the menu entry for it.
[07:24] <thoreauputic> reka: ah, thats a useful factoid :)
[07:24] <Amaranth> [Thorrn4] : If you do that it the command would be gmplayer -zoom
[07:24] <reka> thoreauputic: i'm a little afraid it could break people's systems though.  should i be?
[07:25] <crouton> chaitatp: You said you've tried putting the external DNS server IP in /etc/resolv.conf?
[07:25] <thoreauputic> reka: well, if they don't follow it carefully, perhaps
[07:25] <reka> pablo_: follow the link i posted above
[07:25] <chaitatp> crouton, yes
[07:26] <thoreauputic> reka: some people might have a problem with creating the config file
[07:26] <crouton> chaitatp: I say that because I'm using DHCP from my router, and my /etc/resolv.conf has the external IP addresses.
[07:26] <chaitatp> crouton, AH
[07:26] <thoreauputic> reka: even though it's just a copy/paste really
[07:26] <chaitatp> crouton, so your router should send the external dns to the LAN
[07:26] <reka> thoreauputic: lol. was about to say that.
[07:27] <chaitatp> crouton, umm
[07:27] <crouton> chaitatp: Aye. Can you cut/paste your /etc/resolv.conf to ubuntu.pastebin.com?
[07:27] <cuntface> I recently installed Ubuntu, and my monitors buttons to adjust the screen, well a couple of them don't work, and I was wondering if there is a program to adjust monitor settings like that
[07:27] <thoreauputic> reka: ubuntuguide is most useful for people who already have a clue or two, i think
[07:27] <[Thorrn4] > Amaranth, the menus do not minimize as the video....extends...it gets in the way
[07:27] <chaitatp> crouton, maybe my resonv.conf change because my router keep sending dns to my pc
[07:27] <Amaranth> [Thorrn4] : What?
[07:27] <chaitatp> crouton, hmm?
[07:27] <cuntface> join #help
[07:28] <delire> it is crazy so many newbies have to deal with this however http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[07:28] <Amaranth> [Thorrn4] : You mean the controls on the bottom of the page?
[07:28] <chaitatp> my resolv.conf
[07:28] <chaitatp> is just
[07:28] <chaitatp> nameserver 192.168.1.1
[07:28] <delire> it's nuts.
[07:28] <[Thorrn4] > yea Amaranth
[07:28] <megabit> nalioth, And I use debian at mz desktop is in ubuntu something like KDM?
[07:28] <Amaranth> [Thorrn4] : err, not page, window
[07:28] <crouton> hmm
[07:28] <Amaranth> [Thorrn4] : move the mouse once, then stop
[07:28] <chaitatp> crouton, it's my router ip
[07:28] <crouton> What ISP are you using, chaitatp ?
[07:28] <sean_> Hi - Can anyone tell me which kernel image I should install for a Pentium MMX CPU? Do I just have to stick with the default 386 one, or is there a specific kernel I can use that will be faster?
[07:28] <chaitatp> crouton, True (Thailand)
[07:28] <reka> Amaranth: any way of telling the bot to send a directed message to someone?  i think people could possibly skip over what it says.
[07:28] <thoreauputic> cuntface: boy, you really know how to pick nicks, don't you :/
[07:28] <Amaranth> ubotu: tell reka about smeg
[07:28] <cuntface> thoreauputic, i try
[07:29] <nalioth> megabit: kde runs under gdm or kdm
[07:29] <cuntface> thoreauputic,  got any clue about my question?
[07:29] <reka> Amaranth: nice, thanks. :-)
[07:29] <Amaranth> reka: like that :D
[07:29] <marjorie> Does anyone know if acx_pci is part of some package i can remove?
[07:29] <thoreauputic> cuntface: It's erm, offensive, I'm afraid
[07:29] <noggin> ooo xfce is being downloaded.  I like this a whole lot better than trying to apt-get install individual packages :)
[07:29] <[Thorrn4] > what about the bar on the side Amaranth?
[07:29] <Twitch> thoreauputic, there you go
[07:29] <Amaranth> [Thorrn4] : what bar on the side?
[07:29] <crouton> chaitatp: hmm....
[07:29] <thoreauputic> thank you
[07:29] <Amaranth> [Thorrn4] : Just use vlc, all your problems will be solved. :D
[07:30] <[Thorrn4] > when the program loads...it loads with a screen and a side menu
[07:30] <[Thorrn4] > what is vlc?
[07:30] <reka> sean_: you can go with the 686 one.  i never notice any difference, but that's just me.
[07:30] <Twitch> thoreauputic, do you got any idea with my question about my monitor though?
[07:30] <crouton> chaitatp: Here's mine, maybe you can tweak yours using this as a reference. http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/295131
[07:30] <chaitatp> crouton, just wonder because i set my pc to use dhcp
[07:30] <chaitatp> crouton, thx
[07:30] <thoreauputic> Twitch: just ask your question and if someone knows, they will answer
[07:31] <crouton> chaitatp: I think that using your router as a DNS resolver is incorrect
[07:31] <delire> hehe
[07:31] <Twitch> I recently installed Ubuntu, and my monitors buttons to adjust the screen, well a couple of them don't work, and I was wondering if there is a program to adjust monitor settings like that
[07:31] <thoreauputic> Twitch: I didn't see it anyway
[07:31] <chaitatp> crouton, OH
[07:31] <chaitatp> crouton, what's that search?
[07:31] <chaitatp> search?
[07:31] <crouton> chaitatp: Not sure. :)
[07:31] <megabit> nalioth, And know you why I cant playing MP3?
[07:31] <Twitch> thoreauputic,  its ok
[07:31] <sean_> reka - the 686 one only supports Pentium 2 and higher according to the package description, and when I installed linux-686 on a Pentium MMX the machine would no longer boot
[07:31] <crouton> It might be my ISP's way of getting faster DNS servers, not sure
[07:31] <delire> Twitch: you mean skewing/angular correction/ rotation etc? it cannot be done in software IMHO
[07:32] <DekaPink> Currently, I'm having another problem... I'm trying to run a game in Cedega, and it's telling me it can't work because my video card doesn't support pixel shaders v1.1, but the game works on my windows partition...
[07:32] <[Thorrn4] > what is vlc Amaranth?
[07:32] <crouton> DekaPink: maybe a drivers issue?
[07:32] <Amaranth> [Thorrn4] : the best media player for linux
[07:32] <chaitatp> crouton, what's that web?
[07:32] <delire> DekaPink: you need to install the proprietary drivers
[07:32] <nalioth> !restricted
[07:32] <ubotu> hmm... restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:32] <Twitch> Delire: yeah like adjusting width and height
[07:32] <chaitatp> crouton, just for posting any file?
[07:32] <crouton> chaitatp: ubuntu.pastebin.com?
[07:32] <marjorie> Does anyone know if acx_pci is part of some package i can remove?
[07:32] <delire> DekaPink: DRI does not support pixel or vertex shaders
[07:32] <nalioth> megabit, see what ubotu said
[07:32] <chaitatp> crouton, yup
[07:32] <crouton> marjorie: you could try 'apt-cache search acx_pci'
[07:32] <delire> Twitch: as far as i'm aware, no
[07:32] <thoreauputic> sean_: pentium mmx is i586 - use a 386 kernel
[07:32] <Amaranth> [Thorrn4] : Use vlc for all videos except wmv, use xine for wmv, and use whatever music player you like and all your needs should be covered as far as media.
[07:33] <Twitch> delire: alright thanks man
[07:33] <delire> Twitch: is the situation bad? alot of screen missing?
[07:33] <sean_> thanks thorapeautic - so there is nothing that will be faster than the default kernel? Ok
[07:33] <delire> DekaPink: what card?
[07:33] <chaitatp> crouton, interesting
[07:33] <chaitatp> crouton, thank you
[07:33] <chaitatp> crouton, have to go now i will try more tomorrow
[07:33] <chaitatp> bye
[07:33] <marjorie> 
[07:33] <crouton> chaitatp: no problem, cya
[07:33] <DekaPink> delire: Darn... Uh... Whatsit... I believe it's an ATI all-in-wonder radeon 8500
[07:33] <reka> sean_: hmm, not sure.  but i'd assume if your cpu isn't > p2 there isn't going to be much gain in enabling MMX anyway.
[07:33] <raDeon> WHO CALLED ME
[07:33] <raDeon> WHO
[07:33] <[Thorrn4] > how do u use apt-get...I forgot
[07:34] <raDeon> WHAT DO YOU WANT
[07:34] <raDeon> SPEAK UP NOW
[07:34] <thoreauputic> sean_: on that box, no. You wouldn't see much difference anyway
[07:34] <delire> DekaPink: you need to install the proprietary ATI driver, yes
[07:34] <crouton> lol
[07:34] <crouton> delire: Inside cedega?
[07:34] <megabit> nalioth, Thanks
[07:34] <Amaranth> raDeon: Either calm down or change your nick to something that isn't a video card.
[07:34] <delire> crouton: no, just install the proprietary driver with proprietary opengl spec that supports pixel and vertex shaders (GLSL)
[07:34] <DekaPink> Thanks, delire. :)
[07:34] <crouton> delire: ah.
[07:35] <crouton> I'm thinking VMWare-esque.
[07:35] <marjorie> Crouton: Yeah i tried it comes up with nothing, which makes me think there is still some part of it conflicting with ndiswrapper
[07:35] <delire> DekaPink: i believe there is an ubuntu guide for doing this, though i compile the driver the ATI way.
[07:35] <DekaPink> Thank you. :D
[07:35] <delire> no problem
[07:35] <noggin> aight, i think xfce is installed :)  Gonna go see if I can figure out how to change from Gnome to it
[07:35] <reka> !fglrxinstall
[07:35] <ubotu> [fglrxinstall]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowTo
[07:35] <delire> thanks reka ;)
[07:35] <Amaranth> delire: You enjoy recompiling the driver on every kernel update?
[07:36] <pablo_> ok thanx reka i booted and it just worked fine but just for the onboard audio chip , have to work it out for the soundblaster.
[07:36] <delire> Amaranth: i have a script that compiles all third-party drivers for me
[07:36] <reka> loving this bot :-)
[07:36] <delire> Amaranth: and anyway, i upgrade my kernel every 6 months
[07:36] <delire> reka: yeah, about time ;)
[07:36] <napsy> Whitch package I have to install to get make-kpkg ?
[07:36] <IIIEars> delire - Would you be willing to submit it to the wiki?
[07:36] <delire> IIIEars: the compile howto?
[07:37] <thoreauputic> napsy: kernel-package , from memory
[07:37] <delire> or the script..
[07:37] <reka> pablo_: np
[07:37] <sean_> Who would like to recommend a WM for a slooow machine to me? I have looked at the following - xfce, seems the best choice, not super fast. icewm, super fast but too old school for my users. Fluxbox, didn't work. WindowMaker - way too confusing for my users. Any others worth a try?
[07:38] <delire> sean_: openbox or wmi.modprobe.de
[07:38] <crouton> sean_: Why didn't fluxbox work?
[07:38] <delire> sean_: openbox will work with gnome and kde
[07:38] <marjorie> Is there a command i can use to see if some module is accessing a paticular device?
[07:38] <BlackShuc1> what are the equivalent commands of Gentoo's rc-update and rc-status?
[07:38] <delire> no idea, never used gentoo
[07:38] <sean_> crouton - no idea, I log in to fluxbox and it hangs, I have to restart X
[07:38] <crouton> BlackShuc1: Not sure that there is an equivalent
[07:38] <nalioth> sean_: try other *box WMs
[07:38] <BlackShuc1> I want to stop gdm automatically starting at boot.  I am only really familar with the rc commands
[07:39] <delire> though sounds like update-rc.d
[07:39] <Twitch> anyone play any mud games for linux?
[07:39] <dahz>  uncomment the ''universe'' repository
[07:39] <dahz> does this mean enabling it?
[07:39] <Dull4o4> hey, if i add an entry for my usb pen in fstab. will it then get auto mounted on boot??
[07:39] <thoreauputic> dahz: yes
[07:39] <reka> !repositories
[07:39] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:39] <crouton> dahz yes
[07:39] <sean_> all - looking at openbox
[07:39] <dahz> cool
[07:39] <synd> why does xchat draw a red line across?
[07:39] <crouton> Dull4o4: probably
[07:39] <synd> i cant figure out why its doign it
[07:40] <delire> sean_: add 'exec openbox' to your ~/.xinitrc
[07:40] <reka> synd: screenshot?
[07:40] <Dull4o4> crouton, because i cant mount it from gnome... it says its not found in fstab or mtab...
[07:40] <dooglus> BlackShuc1: do you still need help with that?
[07:40] <delire> Dull4o4: what is the /etc/fstab line
[07:40] <crouton> Dull4o4: type 'dmesg' and see if it shows a new device
[07:41] <marjorie> Is there a command i can use to see if some module is accessing a paticular device?
[07:41] <thoreauputic> BlackShuc1: edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager and change it to "false"
[07:41] <BlackShuc1> hmm, seems  update-rc.d is what I need
[07:41] <delire> BlackShuc1: cool
[07:41] <reka> synd: mind compressing it?  i'm only on dialup :-)
[07:41] <thoreauputic> BlackShuc1: the edit above will also do it
[07:41] <synd> reka, ah ok
[07:41] <BlackShuc1> though nowhere near as friendly as the system I am used to...
[07:41] <BlackShuc1> :-(
[07:42] <reka> synd: http://tinypic.com/
[07:42] <dooglus> BlackShuc1: I made it such that runlevel 2 is without gdm and runlevel 3 is with gdm
[07:42] <Dull4o4> delire, i haven't added it yet.. but it would look like -> dev/sda1    /mnt/usb   vfat   defaults    0   0
[07:42] <reka> synd: so other people can see it
[07:42] <dooglus> BlackShuc1: so I can set the default runlevel to 2, and 'telinit 3' if I want gdm
[07:42] <delire> BlackShuc1: my advice. cd into the /etc/init.d directory then 'update-rc.d defaults 80'
[07:42] <Dull4o4> crouton, yeah i can see it, and mount it manually though...
[07:42] <delire> BlackShuc1: sorry 'update-rc.d yourscript defaults 80'
[07:42] <BlackShuc1> Gentoo has a very nice way of controlling runlevels.  I don't think it's theirs, I think it came from some other distro...  It's a shame nobody can agree on a common standard, as until that happens, Linux Desktop is still going to be minor league..
[07:42] <crouton> Dull4o4: So you *want* to have it automounted on boot?
[07:43] <synd> reka, http://tinypic.com/5n84tu
[07:43] <delire> BlackShuc1: bah, runlevel control in Linux is great. man runlevel
[07:43] <Dull4o4> crouton, no i want to just double click it's icon to get it mounted
[07:43] <DekaPink> How do I check to see what version of Xfree86 Ubuntu has?
[07:43] <thoreauputic> DekaPink: X -version
[07:44] <crouton> DekaPink: I think they've moved to Xorg, not Xfree86
[07:44] <Dull4o4> DekaPink, ubuntu uses xorg
[07:44] <delire> or XFree86 --version
[07:44] <thoreauputic> DekaPink: and it's Xorg now on Hoary
[07:44] <zenrox> yes xorg in hoary
[07:44] <delire> s/--version/-version
[07:44] <synd> reka, you can barely see it :/
[07:44] <crouton> Dull4o4: I think that's a hotplug thing, isn't it?
[07:45] <dooglus> BlackShuc1: there's a nice program called 'sysv-rc-conf' which edits the contents of each runlevel
[07:45] <reka> synd: :-) try changing the marker line colour in settings->prefs.  join #xchat if that doesn't fix it adn ask there.
[07:45] <Dull4o4> crouton, yeah but it works if i mount it from command line, then i can open it with nautilus...
[07:45] <pepsi> is breezy less broken yet?
[07:45] <crouton> Dull4o4: I just inserted my USB stick, and it showed up on desktop and popped open a window
[07:45] <nalioth> synd: the red line is telling you something
[07:45] <crouton> base install
[07:45] <delire> BlackShuc1: have you looked at 'init'?
[07:45] <nalioth> pepsi: when you see "Release Candidate" in its name
[07:46] <synd> nalioth, wtf?!
[07:46] <pepsi> nalioth, does X start yet?
[07:46] <Twitch> I'm looking for some help installing a new new Mud game I just got
[07:46] <BlackShuc1> thanks.  Installing sysv-rc-conf now...
[07:46] <reka> hehe, nalioth it is?
[07:46] <Dull4o4> crouton, hm... ok
[07:46] <delire> Twitch: what format is the game in. what is it called?
[07:47] <Twitch> delire: its called circlemud its a tar.gz, that i've extracted now it has some .sh files
[07:47] <nalioth> pepsi: don't know. i dont use breezy
[07:47] <pepsi> oh
[07:47] <keffo> how teh hell do i empty my trash ;<
[07:47] <keffo> not working
[07:47] <delire> Twitch: *.sh files are shell scripts. to run them just 'sh file.sh'
[07:47] <nalioth> synd: the red line is telling you something (as a highlighter to bring the humans attention somewhere)
[07:48] <Twitch> Delire: thank you sir
[07:48] <delire> Twitch: no
[07:48] <delire> .. problem
[07:48] <crouton> Dull4o4: I don't have any USB specific settings in my /etc/fstab
[07:48] <reka> keffo: how are you emptying it?
[07:48] <dooglus> I guess he switched to runlevel 2...
[07:48] <Twitch> delire: no?
[07:48] <Dull4o4> crouton, can you paste your fstab in a pm?
[07:49] <keffo> i got some "rooted" files in it :<
[07:49] <keffo> if you say so..
[07:49] <crouton> Dull4o4: There's nothing there, honestly.  It's a fresh install /etc/fstab
[07:49] <keffo> and ill tried rm -rf /home/keffo/.Trash/
[07:49] <keffo> doesnt work
[07:49] <keffo> still there
[07:49] <Twitch> delire: haha k
[07:49] <Dull4o4> crouton, might be because i have dosfs on my usb memory
[07:49] <nalioth> keffo: get into your .Trash folder and use the sudo
[07:49] <reka> keffo: gksudo nautilus /home/keffo/.Trash/
[07:49] <crouton> Dull4o4: Thought you said you were using vfat
[07:50] <dooglus> how do you go from one release of ubuntu to the next one?
[07:50] <Dull4o4> crouton, yeah i meant that.. fat16 i think is on it... or just fat, not sure
[07:50] <dooglus> can you do it without downloading a .iso?  like using apt-get or something?
[07:50] <reka> apt-get dist-upgrade iirc
[07:50] <crouton> Dull4o4: vfat or msdos are common options, vfat is usually for fat32
[07:51] <dooglus> thanks reka
[07:51] <crouton> fat16 is oldschool DOS
[07:51] <reka> after changing your sources.lst
[07:51] <IIIEars> One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:51] <dooglus> sure
[07:51] <nalioth> dooglus: you update your sources.list and update/upgrade
[07:51] <reka> what IIIEars said :-)
[07:51] <Dull4o4> crouton, its a tiny tiny usb mem, only 64MB so therefore i think it is fat16
[07:51] <IIIEars> be careful read the topic Breezy is NOT ready.
[07:51] <nalioth> dooglus: did you scope out the 'safe rm" thang?
[07:51] <dooglus> dist-upgrade or upgrade?
[07:51] <dooglus> nalioth: I took a look, but couldn't find any source code
[07:51] <keffo> reka, ok?
[07:51] <thoreauputic> dooglus: dist-upgrade
[07:51] <keffo> nothing special
[07:51] <nalioth> dooglus: dist
[07:51] <Dull4o4> dooglus, man apt-get
[07:51] <crouton> Dull4o4: When you manually mount it, what filesystem do you use? Or is it automatic? (mount /dev/sda1 /mnt)?
[07:52] <Dull4o4> crouton, vfat
[07:52] <reka> keffo: tried deleting them again?
[07:52] <crouton> Dull4o4: And that works with no issues?
[07:52] <keffo> yes
[07:52] <keffo> hey
[07:52] <keffo> you
[07:52] <keffo> if i go into /home/keffo/.Trash/
[07:52] <keffo> there is nothing
[07:52] <keffo> but if i open the trash by clicking
[07:52] <keffo> there is
[07:52] <Dull4o4> crouton, well... my textfiles gets +x
[07:52] <crouton> Dull4o4: That's no big deal
[07:52] <Dull4o4> crouton, except for that it works
[07:53] <dooglus> IIIEars: 'sed -i' eh?  I've never come across that before, in all my years of sedding!
[07:53] <thoreauputic> keffo: try ls -al in the .Trash dir
[07:53] <crouton> Dull4o4: So what's your /etc/fstab line again for the USB?
[07:53] <keffo> drwx------   2 keffo keffo   48 2005-06-04 19:52 .
[07:53] <keffo> drwxr-xr-x  58 keffo keffo 2720 2005-06-04 19:48 ..
[07:53] <reka> keffo: are you running gnome?
[07:53] <keffo> i do
[07:53] <Dull4o4> crouton, i haven't added anything.... but /dev/sda1  /mnt/usb  vfat  defaults  0  0
[07:53] <nalioth> keffo: there are (on my machine) 3 different trash locations
[07:53] <reka> killall gnome-panel
[07:54] <crouton> Dull4o4: Mine showed up on /media/usbdisk, just FYI
[07:54] <keffo> any suggestion what i should do?
[07:54] <IIIEars> << - (beads of sweat form on brow man sed again> yikes!
[07:54] <Dull4o4> crouton, oh.. well, i made my own dir :)
[07:54] <Dull4o4> crouton, used to have it there :)
[07:54] <nalioth> keffo: look in ~/.local/share/Trash/
[07:55] <nalioth> keffo: do you have any other mounted partitions?
[07:55] <dooglus> IIIEars: 'sed -i' does the edit 'in place'.
[07:55] <keffo> nalioth, dont got anything there
[07:55] <keffo> not even a "trash"
[07:55] <IIIEars> Shh - i am reading man again. - lol
[07:55] <nalioth> keffo: do you have any other mounted partitions?
[07:55] <keffo> yes
[07:55] <crouton> keffo: If you right click on the Trash icon, does it show properties?
[07:55] <Dull4o4> crouton, i'll try it and see what happens
[07:55] <keffo> no
[07:56] <crouton> Dull4o4: Aight, shout out if it works
[07:56] <keffo> just empty trash and so
[07:56] <reka> keffo: if you're running gnome, killall gnome-panel.  sometimes the applet gets "confused"
[07:56] <nalioth> keffo: then "locate Trash" or trash
[07:56] <Dull4o4> crouton, ok later :)
[07:56] <keffo> yey
[07:56] <keffo> did it
[07:56] <crouton> General question: Are mp3 codecs included in the package 'w32codecs'?
[07:57] <keffo> it was /mnt/1-40gb/.Trash-keffo
[07:57] <reka> crouton: those are vidcodecs
[07:57] <keffo> thanks for help
[07:57] <nalioth> crouton: no
[07:57] <crouton> reka: OK, what's the standard mp3 codec package?
[07:57] <nalioth> crouton: there are several
[07:57] <IIIEars> crouton - not too sure but gstreamer mad has it.
[07:57] <nalioth> crouton: lame, liblame, gstreamer-mad
[07:57] <reka> !restrictedformats
[07:57] <ubotu> reka: Are you smoking crack?
[07:57] <Twitch> i am
[07:57] <thoreauputic> !restricted
[07:57] <ubotu> I guess restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:57] <IIIEars> !restrictedformats
[07:57] <nalioth> !restricted
[07:57] <crouton> nalioth: hmm. I'm looking for something to play MP3s as well as DivX .avi's with MP3 encoding.
[07:58] <thoreauputic> reka: get off the crack *g*
[07:58] <nalioth> crouton: see the bots response
[07:58] <reka> lol, aight bra.
[07:58] <crouton> gratsi
[07:59] <reka> how come the bot didn't tell IIIEars he was smoking crack :-(
[07:59] <reka> that's discrimination i say!
[07:59] <thoreauputic> reka: heheh
[07:59] <IIIEars> reka - ubotu has rigid syntax - he is really pretty dumb
[08:00] <johan_> i dont have mplayer-amd64 in my sources is that normal
[08:00] <reka> IIIEars: either that, or it has a delay for requests :-)
[08:00] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: hey, don't diss the bot , dude !
[08:01] <IIIEars> lol - okay i'll hold off a bit. - He certainly is a good idea.
[08:01] <thoreauputic> :)
[08:01] <nalioth> yes, having a bot saves answering lots of the same questions
[08:01] <crouton> looks like it's gstreamer
[08:02] <bigfoot> hello all. As a one-month old convert to Linux/Ubuntu, I'd like your advice on the tips I'm reading about on a webpage concerning customizing Linux for the desktop user (http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8308). To speed up the CPU, the article suggests reducing the tendency of the kernel to use the swap file. My current setting of swappiness (sudo cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness) is at 60. The writer lowered his number to 10 ($ sudo sysctl -w v
[08:02] <bigfoot> m.swappiness=10). Would this help me? Or does this depend on my CPU power and RAM amount? Thank you!
[08:02] <crouton> can't find lame..
[08:02] <nalioth> crouton: have you updated your repos?
[08:02] <Tezkah> swappiness at 10 helped make mine a little more responsive, bigfoot
[08:02] <crouton> nalioth: aye
[08:02] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I read the article - it's pretty safe to try it
[08:02] <nalioth> hmm
[08:03] <IIIEars> bigfoot read the same article - good question.
[08:03] <nalioth> crouton: can you build from source?
[08:03] <crouton> apt-get install lame says not available
[08:03] <nova> man this is beyond anoying im still stuck on this mesa3d crap
[08:03] <nalioth> dooglus: that chinga site is not coming up now
[08:03] <Twitch> how do i open readme files in a console
[08:03] <thoreauputic> crouton: it's non-free - hence in multiverse
[08:03] <IIIEars> << thinks "swappiness" is a clever term. - grin
[08:03] <nalioth> dooglus: woulda snagged the src for ya then
[08:03] <delire> nova: what's up?
[08:03] <bigfoot> Tezkah, thoreauputic, IIIEars, thank you very much for your responses. just wondering: Why then is the default set at 60? If 10 is better than 60, then can we assume that 1 is even better?
[08:03] <crouton> thoreauputic: Hmm, thought i enable multiverse
[08:03] <reka> nova: are frame rates really that bad with the xorg driver?
[08:04] <nalioth> Twitch: cat <filname>|more
[08:04] <nova> been trying to get the rpm ati drivers from ati working
[08:04] <nova> reka its not just frame rates
[08:04] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: opinions vary on swappiness settings
[08:04] <nova> its also graphics screw ups under cedega
[08:04] <crouton> whoops.. guess not. no multiverse in sources.list
[08:04] <delire> nova: of course it does. why not grab the proprietary drivers?
[08:04] <nova> and fps for the one game i realy realy want working are just under playable
[08:04] <crouton> !multiverse
[08:04] <ubotu> crouton: I don't know
[08:04] <IIIEars> Ubuntu is made to run easily on nearly anything but a toaster or your microwave settings are generalised.
[08:04] <reka> nova: ask delire.  he's compiled the ATI drivers.
[08:04] <crouton> !universe
[08:04] <ubotu> crouton: No idea
[08:05] <xdamage> is there a linux guru around to help me with a quick (and stupid) wireless question?
[08:05] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: it also depends on the use the box has - there's a trade off: his suggestion is for desktop use
[08:05] <nova> delire got time for some one on one help?
[08:05] <delire> well, i've compiled the ATI drivers as long as ATI has been making drivers for Linux
[08:05] <delire> nova: sure.
[08:05] <nova> ty
[08:05] <nova> temp chan or /msg
[08:05] <nalioth> crouton its !restricted
[08:05] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, regarding our last conversation about 24 hours ago (subject was on pink flashing lines when I play a movie file). Yes, restarting helped. But it's still an inconsistent solution, meaning that rebooting doesn't seem to always help.layer
[08:06] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, what is the trade off? what do i lose in setting my desktop pc from 60 to 10?
[08:06] <crouton> nalioth: Sure, but people will want to know about the 'universe' and 'multiverse' repositories
[08:06] <delire> nova: here's ok. first grab the kernel-headers and kernel-source. eg apt-get install linux-source-$(uname -r)
[08:06] <nova> got all that
[08:06] <IIIEars> uubigfoot if you have a lot of ram nothing.
[08:06] <delire> nova: cool. is it all unpacked in your /usr/src directory?
[08:06] <nova> i had the xorgs working
[08:06] <reka> yes i can peek in as well.
[08:06] <reka> :-)
[08:06] <delire> nova: ahah cool.
[08:06] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: not a lot: it mainly affest things like cron jobs running updatedb etc
[08:06] <nova> but
[08:06] <nova> i was getting stuff like this
[08:06] <thoreauputic> *affects
[08:06] <IIIEars> perl script over "U"se. - sheepish grin
[08:07] <crouton> Totem will use lame, yes?
[08:07] <nova> http://im.very.afraid.org/rubies
[08:07] <nalioth> crouton: thought those repos were in the restrictedformats wiki
[08:07] <bigfoot> so you mean i really won't see an increase in speed in changing swappiness from 60 to 10?
[08:07] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I'm experimenting with swappiness = 0
[08:07] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I don't see any huge differneces
[08:07] <nova> so i thought id give the ati drives a try
[08:07] <crouton> nalioth: Must have looked over them by mistake
[08:07] <nova> but im stuck on this damn mesa 3d stuff
[08:07] <delire> nova: ok grab the ati linux driver from http://ati.com for xorg.
[08:07] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - Why is your name flashing now?
[08:08] <nova> done it
[08:08] <IIIEars> j/k
[08:08] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: a slight increase in responsiveness
[08:08] <nova> already aliened it as well
[08:08] <delire> nova: the screens are weird but cool.
[08:08] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: ?
[08:08] <delire> nova: did you compile them yourself?
[08:08] <nova> no i used rpm
[08:08] <johan_> whats the cmd for system monitor
[08:08] <bigfoot> IIIEars, if i have a lot of ram, i wouldn't see any difference? i have 256MB of ram... this is not considerd plenty, is it?
[08:08] <nova> with alien
[08:08] <IIIEars> just being silly - lol
[08:08] <ztonzy> delire, hello
[08:08] <delire> nova: ok cd into /lib/modules/fglrx
[08:08] <bigfoot> What are the advantages of keping swappiness at 60?
[08:08] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: 256 is pretty low these days
[08:09] <delire> nova: the rpm doesn't install the driver, just the sourcecode to build the driver
[08:09] <bigfoot> keping=keeping
[08:09] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I suggest you try it and see - it won't break anything
[08:09] <delire> ztonzy: hej
[08:09] <nova> k there
[08:10] <delire> nova: now 'cd build_mod && sh make.sh'
[08:10] <austin_> i have some dep packages from compiling my kernel i was wondering how i install them ... do i jut put them into /boot and point grub at them or can i do something cool with apt???
[08:10] <ztonzy> delire, hej hej :D
[08:10] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, i guess i could try it, but what do you recommend if I do not notice any difference? Should i revert to 60, or keep at 10?
[08:10] <delire> ztonzy: well yes ;)
[08:10] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I read a thread in the kernel maintainers list that couldn't even agree on swappiness ;-)
[08:10] <delire> nova: that will compile the driver.
[08:10] <delire> nova: then you'll need to install it once compiled. to do this, you'll need so 'cd .. && sh make_install.sh'.
[08:11] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: if you don't feel a differnce, just revert, yes
[08:12] <dooglus> bigfoot: if you don't notice any difference then it doesn't matter what you do, really...
[08:12] <crouton> OK, that was weird.
[08:12] <delire> nova: then you'll need to edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to reflect 'fglrx' under Driver in the Device section.
[08:12] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, if i only do "$ sudo sysctl -w vm.swappiness=10 " and do _not_ do "vm.swappiness=10 to /etc/sysctl.conf", does this mean that the change is only good for the current session?
[08:12] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: until a reboot, yes
[08:12] <bigfoot> dooglus, thank you for your message. Okay.
[08:12] <crouton> X just went out of scan range, had to shut down the comp. wacky.
[08:12] <nalioth> crouton: did you get that info?
[08:12] <crouton> nalioth:  missed whatever you said after !restricted
[08:12] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: it really isn't that big a deal
[08:13] <bigfoot> what isn't a big deal, thoreauputic ? changing swappiness level?
[08:13] <nova> ok all done
[08:13] <nova> other than xorg conf
[08:13] <delire> nova: then 'sudo echo fglrx > /etc/modules && sudo rmmod ati && sudo modprobe fglrx'. restart and you're done.
[08:13] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: yes
[08:13] <delire> nova: you don't have one?
[08:13] <mikl> why doesn't apache read my .htaccess file?
[08:13] <klaym> does anyone here run 'gepolabo' ?
[08:13] <delire> nova: ahah, sorry ;)
[08:14] <delire> nova: reading too many channels at the same time
[08:14] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: have a play with it (I did) - but don't expect major performance gains
[08:14] <austin_> i have some dep packages from compiling my kernel i was wondering how i install them ... do i jut put them into /boot and point grub at them or can i do something cool with apt???
[08:14] <nova> lol
[08:14] <bigfoot> How about the next advice in the article: Freeing more memory by disabling (unused) virtual terminals? Would doing so be helpful, or at least more helpful than changing swappiness levels?
[08:15] <nova> on the sudo echo fglrx > /etc/modules i get permision denied
[08:15] <nova> nova@ubuntu:/etc$ sudo echo fglrx > /etc/modules
[08:15] <nova> bash: /etc/modules: Permission denied
[08:15] <delire> bigfoot: barely...
[08:15] <delire> nova: ok as root. just make sure 'fglrx' is listed in that file
[08:16] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: those tty s just sit there doing nothing - they don't chew major resources (just a bit of ram I guess)
[08:16] <crouton> hmm.. so Totem isn't playing my DivX files, even though I installed 'w32codecs' and 'lame'... any ideas?
[08:16] <delire> nova: 'echo' will send the following text to the file using the redirection '>'
[08:16] <Guybrush|Numb> is it a problem of mine, or launchpad.ubuntu.com is PAINFULLY, EXCRUCIATINGLY SLOW ?
[08:16] <delire> Guybrush|Numb: hehe
[08:16] <Chetic> Damn! just my luck :(
[08:16] <klaym> where can I manage my 'gnome applets' ? such as panel applets
[08:16] <nova> root@ubuntu:/home/nova # sudo rmmod ati
[08:16] <nova> ERROR: Module ati does not exist in /proc/modules
[08:16] <IIIEars> wow - swappiness me a new computer - that really is fast for menus.
[08:16] <bigfoot> what's the advantage of having 6 terminals, anyway? All I need is GUI and one terminal, right? or am i not seeing the value of having numerous terminals/ttys?
[08:16] <Chetic> Does Ubuntu have an app for automatically retreiving and installing apps/deps?
[08:17] <Guybrush|Numb> i' desperately trying to use rosetta to translate BMP
[08:17] <delire> nova: that's good news. it's not loaded anyway.
[08:17] <Guybrush|Numb> but it takes minutes to get a page :-|
[08:17] <vanberge> hey guys... im new to ubuntu, new to gnome... is there  a tool for editing the gnome menu?
[08:17] <bigfoot> IIIEars, what did you say? I'm not sure I understand: "swappiness me a computer"...
[08:17] <nova> ok o mod probe restart done?
[08:17] <delire> nova: alright. sounds like you're close to done.
[08:17] <nalioth> bigfoot: you can log in from other putes in your home network
[08:17] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: it kind of depends how you like to work
[08:17] <reka> crouton: using totem-xine?
[08:17] <delire> nova: yep. give it a shot.
[08:17] <nalioth> bigfoot: and use the linux box for multiple things at once (with multiple users)
[08:17] <bigfoot> nalioth, i have no other computers. It's only one computer.
[08:17] <crouton> reka: nope, just Totem installed duing CD install
[08:17] <nova> no errors at least
[08:17] <nova> brb
[08:17] <Guybrush|Numb> Chetic you mean an update agent =
[08:18] <bigfoot> nalioth, and only one user... me!
[08:18] <Guybrush|Numb> s/=/?/g
[08:18] <reka> crouton: sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[08:18] <IIIEars> It's faster than a 2.9g machine - 1.5g celeron with 380mbs ram.
[08:18] <delire> nova: sure, good. 'lsmod' will tell you if it's actually loaded though
[08:18] <nalioth> bigfoot: then you have less need for the xtra logins
[08:18] <nalioth> bigfoot: there are 5 puters here
[08:18] <delire> oh.. too late
[08:18] <Chetic> Guybrush|Numb, Anything that installs stuff for me automatically.. like gentoo has emerge
[08:18] <Guybrush|Numb> Chetic: Ubuntu has apt-get
[08:18] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: it's really your call: if you don't have a need for them, disable them by all means
[08:18] <Guybrush|Numb> Chetic: and it's frontend synaptic
[08:18] <Chetic> Guybrush|Numb, ooh my favorite :) thanks
[08:19] <reka> crouton: if they still don't working after switching to the xine backend.  try these instructions: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingCodecsToTotemHowTo
[08:19] <bigfoot> thoreauputic,  how does a one-user one-computer kind of person make good use of numerous terminals?
[08:19] <delire> Chetic: apt-cache search <keyword>, apt-cache show <pacakgename>, apt-get update, apt-get install <pacakgename>, apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:19] <crouton> reka: video works now, got to work on audio
[08:19] <Guybrush|Numb> Chetic: you welcome. Btw ubuntu is a debian derivative and gets most of its strengths
[08:19] <reka> crouton: what problems?
[08:19] <crouton> reka: just no sound
[08:20] <reka> running gnome?
[08:20] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: keep at least one tty though - it's useful in emergencies. Some people like to have a number operating and switch between them , in answer to the other question
[08:20] <Tolstoy> when I get an error like "orinoco_usb: probe of 1-3:1.0 failed with error -14", how do I find out what -14 means?
[08:20] <Guybrush|Numb> bigfoot: it's called human multitasking
[08:20] <klaym> which has bigger repositories: gentoo emerge or apt ?
[08:20] <IIIEars> apt has 16,000 debian apps.
[08:20] <bigfoot> By the way, how can i print screen the media-playing program? When I do, and the screen is flickering (with the pink/purple horizontal lines), all i get is a blank blue screen.
[08:20] <delire> klaym: debian has larger repositories on package count
[08:20] <nova> same mesa3d shows in glxinfo
[08:20] <nova> glrxinfo even
[08:20] <Guybrush|Numb> klaym: debian has around 10000 packages ready (i believe). Don't know about gentoo
[08:20] <delire> nova: ok purge it all.
[08:20] <nova> how?
[08:21] <klaym> ok thx. Just made sure I'm on the right side ;)
[08:21] <delire> nova: dpkg -l | grep mesa
[08:21] <delire> nova: then purge anything with 'ii'
[08:21] <thoreauputic> Guybrush|Numb: more like 16 000 actually
[08:21] <klaym> I'm searching for a stock market analysing program but I can't find any
[08:21] <bigfoot> Guybrush|Numb, "human multitasking"? what do you mean? One human doing multiple tasks? or many humans doing multiple tasks?
[08:21] <Chetic> Is there any way for a windows-harassed poor man to get Ubuntu right freakin' now?
[08:21] <IIIEars> I wonder if anyone -really- knows pretty difficul to be sure.
[08:21] <nova> how to purge ii?
[08:22] <nova> grep -ii?
[08:22] <delire> nova: sorry.. dpkg -P packagename
[08:22] <Guybrush|Numb> thoreauputic: Hi, happy to hear you again. Thanks for the correction :)
[08:22] <Guybrush|Numb> bigfoot: the first one you said
[08:22] <thoreauputic> Guybrush|Numb: :)
[08:22] <delire> nova: back in five. phone
[08:22] <nova> k
[08:22] <Guybrush|Numb> bigfoot: like starting a kernel compile on tty1 and working on 2,3 etc
[08:22] <crouton> reka:  I'm downloading the mplayer-essential-codec package.. hopefully that'll get it to work.
[08:23] <nalioth> Chetic: local linux users group?
[08:23] <IIIEars> ! download
[08:23] <ubotu> well, download is at ftp://ftp.debian.org/pub/debian/dists/slink/main/disks-i386 and you need these in order to install: linux, loadlin.exe, install.bat, resc1440.bin, drv1440.bin, rawrite.exe, root.bin and base2_1.tgz
[08:23] <reka> if that doesn't work:
[08:23] <reka> !fixsound
[08:23] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, fixsound is http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[08:23] <synd> !synd
[08:23] <ubotu> from memory, synd is i love you synd
[08:23] <thoreauputic> wow that factoid is ancient...
[08:23] <Chetic> nalioth, sorry I don't follow..
[08:23] <bigfoot> Guybrush|Numb, isn't having numerous VirtualTerminals the same as having one terminal console running with multiple tabs? I'm sorry... I don't know coz I've never used the other Virtual Terminals.
[08:23] <IIIEars> ach! http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
[08:23] <crimsun> bigfoot: in essence, yes
[08:23] <bigfoot> Guybrush|Numb, "kernel compile" is stuff that developers do, right?
[08:24] <nalioth> Chetic:  a linux users group is a group of people that meet localy and discuss/assist with linux
[08:24] <reka> thoreauputic: which one?
[08:24] <Guybrush|Numb> bigfoot: yes, same stuff, without X11 :)
[08:24] <Guybrush|Numb> bigfoot: kernel compile = lenghty developer stuff
[08:24] <thoreauputic> reka: the downloads one IIIEars invoked a minute ago
[08:24] <nalioth> Chetic: iow, you might go  around the corner and pick up an ubuntu disk
[08:24] <thoreauputic> reka: refers to Debian Slink!
[08:24] <bigfoot> wow, you guys are so knowledgeable!
[08:24] <jldugger> im probably the hundredth person to ask, but is breezy horribly broken atm?
[08:24] <IIIEars> !downloads
[08:24] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, downloads is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
[08:25] <IIIEars> !Downloads
[08:25] <ubotu> somebody said downloads was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
[08:25] <reka> hahaha ... i don't get it
[08:25] <Chetic> nalioth, I'm sorry but I live 15 kilometres outside of a small city with 1 computer store.. they have red hat and mandrake :\
[08:25] <reka> jldugger: it's unstable
[08:25] <nern> hey anybody ever tried vidalinux
[08:25] <crouton> dagnabbit... totem-xine is displaying the video but no audio.
[08:25] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: ah, you don't like archaelogy?
[08:25] <jldugger> reka, unstable has different meanings to different people
[08:25] <ompaul> thoreauputic, time does not count - 3 disks failed
[08:25] <priest> where do i check which webcams works in ubuntu?
[08:26] <ompaul> thoreauputic, several failures
[08:26] <reka> jldugger: i guess.  i was regurgitating what someone else said :-)
[08:26] <bigfoot> how can I print screen when of my media player as it's playing  a moviefile? Coz when I do, and the screen (of the window) is flickering, the screenshot/printscreen gets a blue sceen only. Thank you.
[08:26] <IIIEars> Gee-z - erm - yes but i am a poor harassed former windows user only recently converted. - grin
[08:26] <Scorpinf> when i try to turn dma, "sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc" i get
[08:26] <Scorpinf> setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[08:26] <Scorpinf>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[08:26] <Scorpinf>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[08:26] <Scorpinf> how do i fix this ?
[08:26] <delire> nova: back
[08:26] <crouton> aha!
[08:27] <nova> same
[08:27] <crouton> reka:  There's no proprietary plugins tab in Totem-xine/preferences..
[08:27] <delire> nova: same what?
[08:27] <scoon> anyone here using gcc 4.0 ?
[08:27] <nova> back to heheh
[08:27] <scoon> if so, any problems ?
[08:27] <Guybrush|Numb> bigfoot: not easy, try setting video driver in media player to x11
[08:27] <crimsun> not so many problems with gcc4
[08:27] <nova> wondering if maybe i should go back to default drivers
[08:27] <delire> Scorpinf: edit /etc/hdparm.conf for best results
[08:27] <Guybrush|Numb> which media player are you using ?
[08:27] <scoon> crimsun, but have you had any ?
[08:27] <jldugger> reka, well, people certainly appear to have a differing opinion on what stable means. some call it "without bugs" and others say "no signficant changes to software"
[08:28] <nova> with orig config and start copmpletly over
[08:28] <reka> crouton: i have one. :-/
[08:28] <bigfoot> Guybrush|Numb,  RE: "this setting": you mean going to gstreamer-properties?
[08:28] <delire> nova: not necessary i think
[08:28] <crimsun> scoon: no. g++4 is another story altogether
[08:28] <scoon> crimsun, anyway, i use the cko patchset w/ me kernel and wanted to check in if anyone has been kerneling with gcc 4.0
[08:28] <delire> nova: so.. you've purged all the mesa stuff and restarted X?
[08:28] <jldugger> hey, ive got an extra drive I'm using reiserfs on. how do I get Ubuntu to mount it on boot?
[08:28] <nova> not yet was waiting for you
[08:28] <crimsun> scoon: my kernels are compiled with gcc3.4
[08:28] <nova> you mentioned purging ii to
[08:28] <IIIEars> Hello crimsun!
[08:28] <Chetic> Is there no FTP server with Ubuntu on it?
[08:28] <crimsun> 'lo IIIEars
[08:29] <delire> nova: no "ii" just indicated that a package is installed
[08:29] <reka> jldugger: well, i'd assume just by looking at the channel topic, if you're using breezy, you'd expect to run into problems.
[08:29] <Guybrush|Numb> wait i check myself
[08:29] <crimsun> Chetic: there are lots
[08:29] <scoon> crimsun, actually, are the ubuntu binaries going to start to be compiled using gcc 4.0 ?  if not anyone know ?
[08:29] <nova> ok i ran this sudo dpkg -l | grep mesa
[08:29] <nova> so restart x now?
[08:29] <Twitch> how do i remove an entire directory and its contents?
[08:29] <jldugger> reka, fair enough. i was just curious if something was known to be broken. guess not.
[08:29] <Guybrush|Numb> bigfoot: which playter are you using ?
[08:29] <Chetic> crimsun, please direct me to one..
[08:29] <crouton> rm -rf /directory
[08:29] <crimsun> scoon: the breezy packages are compiled with gcc4. The kernel is still compiled with gcc3.4.
[08:29] <IIIEars> Twitch rm -r
[08:29] <crimsun> Chetic: check a mirror on the download page
[08:29] <Scorpinf> delire, in the hdparm.conf file i already have #/dev/hdc {
[08:29] <Scorpinf> #	mult_sect_io = 16
[08:29] <Scorpinf> #	write_cache = off
[08:29] <Scorpinf> #	dma = on
[08:29] <Scorpinf> #}
[08:29] <crouton> lol. what timing
[08:29] <delire> nova: nova: which packages were returned after that command with "ii" next to them?
[08:29] <Scorpinf> but still no DMA
[08:30] <delire> nova: purge all those packages.
[08:30] <bigfoot> Guybrush|Numb, i tried various, such as xine, totem, vtk.
[08:30] <crimsun> scoon: the g++4 transition is ongoing
[08:30] <nova> nova@ubuntu:~$ sudo dpkg -l | grep mesa
[08:30] <nova> ii  xlibmesa-dri   6.8.2-10       Mesa 3D graphics library modules [X.Org] 
[08:30] <nova> ii  xlibmesa-gl    6.8.2-10       Mesa 3D graphics library [X.Org] 
[08:30] <nova> ii  xlibmesa-glu   6.8.2-10       Mesa OpenGL utility library [X.Org] 
[08:30] <Guybrush|Numb> use xine, go to video settings
[08:30] <jldugger> reka, what crimsun said seems pretty relevant
[08:30] <delire> Scorpinf: ok, if /etc/hdparm.conf is set correctly, as it appears, then your disk probably doesn
[08:30] <Guybrush|Numb> (you must enable "Master of the known universe" as interface difficulty level)
[08:30] <delire> 't support it
[08:30] <nemik> how can i encode strings to proper URLs in shell script to parse them to PHP?
[08:30] <Guybrush|Numb> and set video driver to x11
[08:30] <scoon> crimsun, yeah i see that breezy is that transition time.
[08:30] <delire> nova: dpkg -P all those packages
[08:30] <reka> jldugger: i must inform you i am not a guru. :-)
[08:30] <Guybrush|Numb> then try again the screenshot thing
[08:30] <Scorpinf> delire, in winXp it works fine
[08:31] <delire> Scorpinf: how do you know windows eXPerience is using DMA?
[08:31] <Guybrush|Numb> bigfoot: let me know
[08:31] <jldugger> seriously though, reiserfs on boot doesn't seem to work. i've added to fstab and i get nothing
[08:31] <delire> Scorpinf: i know very little about windows, so cannot comment - to be fair.
[08:31] <crimsun> Scorpinf: but that section you pasted is commented out, heh.
[08:31] <reka> Scorpinf: what are you trying to enable dma on?
[08:31] <bigfoot> Guybrush|Numb, I'm sorry, but, let you know what? I
[08:32] <nova> cant purge
[08:32] <Scorpinf> i checked, and it burns the max speed in the discs in Win XP not in Linux
[08:32] <delire> nova: what is the error? put all in the same list
[08:32] <Scorpinf> reka: my ide dvdr burned NEC-3500A
[08:32] <nova> dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of xlibmesa-dri  x-window-system-core depends on xlibmesa-dri
[08:32] <nova> on 2 lines
[08:32] <snowblink> Hi, is it okay to clear out /var/cache/apt?
[08:32] <delire> Scorpinf: use http://google.com/linux to look for the error for possible solutions to this problem
[08:32] <delire> nova: is you purge all at the same time it should work
[08:33] <ompaul> ohh shoot - tell me this if there is an answer ubuntu hoary live cd is the only working o/s I have atm - ( I can get plenty of others with a short drive) can I burn a CD with it
[08:33] <nova> k
[08:33] <Scorpinf> crimsum: commented out, should i remove the # ??
[08:33] <thoreauputic> Scorpinf: disabling paranoia can speed things up (at the expense of thorough checking)
[08:33] <crimsun> snowblink: /var/cache/apt/archives/
[08:33] <crimsun> Scorpinf: yes
[08:33] <mof> bye
[08:33] <delire> nova: ahah.. it's more complex isn't it
[08:34] <Scorpinf> ok ill try that tnx
[08:34] <snowblink> crimsun: cheers. So this just dumps debs that are already installed?
[08:34] <crimsun> ompaul: if you have two cdroms, yes
[08:34] <nova> now i get this pi  xlibmesa-dri   6.8.2-10       Mesa 3D graphics library modules [X.Org] 
[08:34] <crimsun> ompaul: the livecd obviously locks one cdrom
[08:34] <ompaul> crimsun, I do, what app do you suggest?
[08:34] <jldugger> if k3b is installed, its top notch
[08:34] <jldugger> for burning
[08:34] <delire> nova: did they all purge?
[08:34] <ompaul> jldugger, I am using a liveCD
[08:34] <jldugger> i dont use the liveCD though
[08:34] <delire> nova: only "ii" means installed
[08:34] <ompaul> :)
[08:34] <nova> there al marked that
[08:35] <IIIEars> gnomebaker is also a good gui
[08:35] <jldugger> so i dont know whats on it
[08:35] <delire> nova:"pi" or "ii"?
[08:35] <nova> and says python2.4-opengl depends on xlibmesa-glu | libglu1; however:
[08:35] <nova>   Package xlibmesa-glu is to be removed.
[08:35] <nova> pi
[08:35] <kuap> hi everyone
[08:35] <ompaul> IIIEars, gnomebaker is not on the CD :)
[08:35] <nova> so restart x now or?
[08:36] <crimsun> ompaul: you can apt-get install stuff using the livecd, too
[08:36] <IIIEars> Ah, Okay - Thanks. Is k3b on the ubuntu CD?
[08:36] <delire> nova: but no xlibmesa packages have "ii" next to them now.. if so then yes, restart X
[08:36] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: no
[08:36] <scoon> hey crimsun, just outta curious, how did you set up g++ 3.4 ?
[08:36] <ompaulAFK> crimsun, 256megs ram a tad tight
[08:36] <Scorpinf> crimsun: is   /dev/discs/disc0/disc   the harddrive, i use SATA discs at HD ??
[08:36] <jldugger> i know that nautilus can burn stuff to cd now, but im not sure if it supports ISOs
[08:36] <nova> brb i hope heh
[08:36] <crimsun> ompaulAFK: very.
[08:36] <ompaulAFK> I'll ring a mate and get them to burn me a CD
[08:36] <crimsun> scoon: it's installable in Hoary
[08:36] <thoreauputic> jldugger: it does - just right click the ISO and burn
[08:37] <ompaulAFK> (and hope they get a better copy)
[08:37] <crimsun> scoon: gcc-3.4-base, g++-3.4, ...
[08:37] <ompaulAFK> biab
[08:37] <jldugger> well then ompaul should be set with just that
[08:38] <crouton> nalioth: How would I compile totem-xine from src?
[08:38] <nova> blasted thing
[08:38] <delire> nova: ok 'lsmod | grep fglrx' to see if the driver is loaded
[08:38] <vanberge> libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable.
[08:38] <vanberge> bummer
[08:38] <delire> nova: still using mesa?
[08:38] <crimsun> crouton: (you need to enable universe first): sudo apt-get build-dep totem-xine && sudo apt-get -b source totem-xine
[08:39] <nova> yeh so says fglrx
[08:39] <nova> nova@ubuntu:/etc/X11$ lsmod | grep fglrx
[08:39] <nova> fglrx                 237312  0
[08:39] <thoreauputic> vanberge: libdvdcss2 needed
[08:39] <crouton> crimsun: aight
[08:39] <delire> nova: cool. but still says mesa
[08:39] <delire> nova: glxinfo
[08:39] <nova> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[08:39] <priest> can someone recommend a webcam which ubuntu support?
[08:39] <delire> nova: wow, weird. ok.
[08:39] <student> hi guy
[08:39] <nova> one sec
[08:40] <vanberge> thoreauputic, thanks   :-)
[08:40] <delire> nova: all we have to do is get rid of those mesa packages.
[08:40] <Amaranth> nova: Is X using the fglrx driver?
[08:40] <mjr> by the way, anyone have hibernation working on amd64?
[08:40] <Amaranth> delire: No, mesa packages make up the base of OpenGL support in X.
[08:40] <scoon> errr, i just want gcc 3.4 as my default compiler
[08:41] <nova> should i be useing ctrl alt backspace to restart x or?
[08:41] <Amaranth> scoon: sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4 && sudo rm /usr/bin/gcc && sudo ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 /usr/bin/gcc
[08:41] <Amaranth> nova: Did you update X to use the fglrx driver?
[08:41] <delire> nova: yep do that. with glxinfo we need to see OpenGL vendor string ati technologies or similar
[08:41] <nova> in xorg.conf yeh
[08:42] <delire> Amaranth: and it's loaded.
[08:42] <Amaranth> logging out would be better than ctrl-alt-bscp
[08:42] <delire> nova: are you using gnome or kde or..?
[08:42] <Chetic> The Ubuntu install will let me create new partitions and such, right?
[08:42] <nova> kde
[08:42] <Amaranth> err, bksp
[08:42] <nova> easy swap to gnome though if needed
[08:42] <delire> nova: glxinfo | grep direct
[08:42] <Amaranth> nova: what kind of card do you have?
[08:43] <nova> direct rendering: No
[08:43] <nova> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[08:43] <vanberge> hmm... still cant play dvd with xine :-(
[08:43] <nova> ati 9k pro 128 meg agp
[08:43] <Amaranth> vanberge: use vlc
[08:43] <scoon> Amaranth, ah, the old brute force method.
[08:43] <scoon> thx
[08:43] <IIIEars> lsmod commoncap 1  compatibility   (google is a tangle on this)
[08:43] <Amaranth> nova: lmao, X has open source drivers for your card
[08:43] <delire> Amaranth: we compiled and installed the proprietary ati drivers
[08:43] <eflynn> Hi, really quick question... how do i select a repository for a package using apt-get
[08:43] <Amaranth> nova: change the driver in x.org back to ati
[08:43] <delire> Amaranth: they don't offer pixel and vertex shaders
[08:43] <nalioth> Chetic: yes there are partition editors included
[08:44] <delire> Amaranth: that's his problem.
[08:44] <IIIEars> what is commoncap?
[08:44] <delire> Amaranth: he needs GLSL support for his games
[08:44] <crouton> eflynn: using synaptic?
[08:44] <nalioth> IIIEars: commonclap is what you get from commonhos
[08:44] <eflynn> crouton, no... apt-get
[08:44] <vanberge> xine should play dvd's, correct?
[08:44] <IIIEars> lol - okay
[08:44] <vanberge> i'd rather fix the problem then to just switch programs
[08:44] <mjr> vanberge, yes (if you install the required libraries like libdvdcss
[08:44] <delire> nova: what driver were you running before the fglrx? ati or vesa?
[08:44] <Amaranth> what game _depends_ on shaders that actually works on a 9k?
[08:44] <crouton> eflynn: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and add the line that you desire
[08:44] <nova> rubies is d3d running on cedega
[08:45] <wizzard> y0
[08:45] <eflynn> crouton, that's not the issue
[08:45] <nova> well i was useing the ones xorg-fglrx or what ever
[08:45] <delire> Amaranth: others have had the same problem with 'rubies'
[08:45] <crouton> eflynn: you want to select a specific repository when downloading a package?
[08:45] <wizzard> is here anybody with Kubuntu distro?
[08:45] <eflynn> crouton, yeah
[08:45] <vanberge> mjr, i did... i't still not playing them :-(
[08:45] <nova> that why im wondering if maybe i should remove all the fglrx go back to defaults
[08:45] <Amaranth> wizzard: #kubuntu might be more help
[08:45] <eflynn> wait i found it in a man page
[08:45] <nova> and install the converted rpm from scratch
[08:45] <thoreauputic> wizzard: there's a #kubuntu
[08:45] <Amaranth> nova: you should have installed the driver from apt-get
[08:46] <delire> nova: i suspect you're still running the old driver.
[08:46] <wizzard> thank you very much
[08:46] <nova> Amaranth, i get messed up models and frame rate just below whats playable
[08:46] <maltje> test
[08:46] <delire> Amaranth: sigh. why should he? the ati way works. i've helped two or three dozen this way here.
[08:47] <nova> if i could get fully playable frame rate even with the messed up models id be happy for now
[08:47] <crouton> well.. i recompile totem-xine from source, I got the proprietary plugins tab, and it still won't play mp3 files.
[08:47] <delire> nova: check to see if you are still running the old driver, 'ati'
[08:47] <nova> in xorg it is loading fglrx
[08:48] <delire> nova: lsmod | grep ati
[08:48] <delire> nova: anything?
[08:48] <nova> no output
[08:48] <Chetic> How much of an obstacle will my PCI-E ATi X800XL video card be with Ubuntu?
[08:48] <delire> nova: cool. i would cd into /lib/modules/fglrx and sh make_install.sh again
[08:49] <delire> nova: then i'd try a reboot to be sure you're actually leaving and returning to X
[08:50] <Scorpinf> still no DMA on the dvd-r burner.... how can i fix this, don't make me go Windows on you guys :-P
[08:50] <nova> on 3 lines from make intall creating symlink - recreating module dependency list - trying a sample load of the kernel module
[08:50] <nova> that all look right delire ?
[08:50] <nova> no errors were returned
[08:50] <nova> just that
[08:51] <Dent> "You have been redirected"...
[08:51] <delire> nova: sure, no errors. try a restart. aside from that i don't know why X isn't taking ati's opengl. to be sure you can uncomment out the DRI block in your /etc/xorg.conf
[08:51] <Scorpinf> crimsun: any more ideas on how to get DMA working, it's totally dead like Linux will be if it can't handle dma
[08:52] <delire> nova: /etc/X11/xorg.conf .. i meant to say
[08:52] <crouton> !restricted
[08:52] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:52] <Scorpinf> or any1
[08:52] <nova> uncomment out?
[08:53] <rg58sma> hi i need help
[08:53] <rg58sma> with apache and ftp
[08:53] <delire> nova: try a reboot for now, we can look at that later.
[08:53] <nova> k
[08:53] <thoreauputic> Scorpinf: I take it sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/dvd returns errors?
[08:53] <Scorpinf> thoreauputic: yepp
[08:53] <thoreauputic> :(
[08:54] <eflynn> Scorpinf, what does it say?
[08:54] <carlk4> did the BT tracker just go down again (like the channel topic still says)
[08:54] <vanberge> i think i have to enable ultra dma on my dvd drive...
[08:54] <Scorpinf> setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[08:54] <Scorpinf>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[08:54] <Scorpinf>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[08:54] <vanberge> dvd's play, but very choppy
[08:54] <rg58sma> hiii
[08:55] <eflynn> Scorpinf, hdparm -i /dev/dvd
[08:56] <johan_> i dont have mplayer-amd64 in my source where can i find it
[08:56] <Scorpinf> eflynn:  Model=_NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG, FwRev=2.18, SerialNo=
[08:56] <jldugger> scorp, and of course, you need super user privledges, so use sudo or whatnot
[08:56] <Scorpinf>  Config={ Removeable DTR<=5Mbs DTR>10Mbs nonMagnetic }
[08:56] <Scorpinf>  RawCHS=0/0/0, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=0
[08:56] <Scorpinf>  BuffType=unknown, BuffSize=0kB, MaxMultSect=0
[08:56] <Scorpinf>  (maybe): CurCHS=0/0/0, CurSects=0, LBA=yes, LBAsects=0
[08:56] <Scorpinf>  IORDY=yes, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
[08:56] <Scorpinf>  PIO modes:  pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
[08:56] <Scorpinf>  DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
[08:56] <Scorpinf>  UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 *udma2
[08:56] <Scorpinf>  AdvancedPM=no
[08:56] <tritium> Scorpinf, please don't paste so much
[08:56] <rg58sma> hi i need help
[08:56] <vanberge> lol
[08:56] <rg58sma> with apache and ftp
[08:56] <johan_> there is #flood
[08:56] <jldugger> dude, your drive is using udma
[08:56] <KragenSitaker> rg58sma: what's wrong?
[08:56] <Scorpinf> ok
[08:56] <Karny> hi
[08:56] <crouton> reka,nalioth: gstreamer fixed mp3 playback, partially.
[08:57] <Karny> can anyone help me with a networking question?
[08:57] <nalioth> crouton: lame and liblame
[08:57] <rg58sma> i cant see my page in anocher pc
[08:57] <rg58sma> please in
[08:57] <crouton> nalioth: that didn't do it
[08:57] <jldugger> scorp, last i checked the astrix indicates what is currently in use. you're already using udma2
[08:57] <Dent> udma = teh gudeness
[08:57] <DooMRunneR> where can i change the soundserver-settings in totem?
[08:57] <johan_> i dont have mplayer-amd64 in my source where can i find it
[08:57] <rg58sma> 200.47.42.22
[08:57] <Scorpinf> jldugger, how come nero complains about dma not being activated?
[08:57] <eflynn> jldugger, yeah but hdparm says otherwise... it's supported but not enabled
[08:58] <Chetic> What problems will I have with my PCI Express X800-series ATi card?
[08:58] <jldugger> that's hdparm output right there, no?
[08:58] <Scorpinf> got damn headake to turn on DMA
[08:58] <levander> Chetic: lol, wouldn't we all like to know that before we start a project
[08:58] <eflynn> jldugger, it's NOT enabled.  It's supported though
[08:58] <Karny> okay... well I guess I'll just ask...
[08:58] <jldugger> fine
[08:58] <Chetic> levander, you're saying I'm screwed? :\
[08:59] <Kartagis> hi
[08:59] <Scorpinf> thank god for usability in linux... no wait there is none  lol
[08:59] <Karny> i've got a wirless router and a wireless pcmcia card in my notebook and it all works fine
[08:59] <rg58sma> Http://200.47.42.22/
[08:59] <Dent> Scorpinf: hukhuk!
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[08:59] <thoreauputic> Scorpinf: it depends...
[08:59] <eflynn> Scorpinf, try going into the bios... but i don't know what else to say.  Could also be a kernel issue.  what kernel do you have?
[08:59] <sproingie> dma is usually disabled for cdroms in linux distros
[08:59] <levander> Chetic: no, i've never tried, just thought your question was funny, that's what i always ask when i start a project, and almost always, you don't know until you try
[08:59] <Dent> linux doesn't work, you should just go back to XP, man.
[08:59] <sproingie> you need to recompile a new kernel to get it back on i think
[08:59] <Scorpinf> latest version of ubuntu
[08:59] <Chetic> levander, shit >_>
[08:59] <nalioth> crouton: i ended up installin ever damdangled gstreamer plugin i could find
[09:00] <thoreauputic> sproingie: erm, no
[09:00] <Kartagis> hi. I have a problem with telnetting in. can you help me guys?
[09:00] <Karny> is it possible to configure my laptop as a router/switch so that i can connect my xbox using my ethernet nic?
[09:00] <Scorpinf> eflynn: how do i check kernel version
[09:00] <Chetic> Do X800 cards even work in linux today?
[09:00] <rg58sma> i have problem with Ftp
[09:00] <rg58sma> what is the problem
[09:00] <KragenSitaker> rg58sma: what do you mean, you can't see it?  what did you do on the other PC to try to see it, and what did you see instead?
[09:00] <eflynn> Scorpinf, uname -r
[09:00] <sproingie> thoreauputic: i see "enable DMA only for disks" checked in my kernel config
[09:00] <levander> Kartagis: use ssh instead of telnet, telnet protocol is pretty much dying
[09:00] <levander> Kartagis: and, you tried to install a telnet server on the ubuntu box right?
[09:00] <HC|idler> it's not dying, telnet have it's purposes
[09:00] <nova> mesa must die!!!!
[09:00] <vanberge> if dma is not enabled on my dvd drive, what is the best way to do it
[09:00] <Kartagis> levander: yes
[09:01] <Scorpinf> eflynn: it's 2.6.10-5-386
[09:01] <HC|idler> Debugging sockets own with telnet
[09:01] <nova> heh still mesa .....
[09:01] <levander> HC|idler: fewer and fewer by the year
[09:01] <delire> nova  ok, three last things to try: 1) the ATI driver has its own internal AGP management for Intel chipsets. If you don't have an Intel chipset, you may need to change the "UseInternalAGPGART" option to "no" in the device section of the xorg.conf. 2) backup your xorg.conf and try fglrxconfig
[09:01] <sproingie> nc is replacing telnet's niche
[09:01] <thoreauputic> sproingie: usually hdparm will enable it for you, as above ( sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/cdrom or whatever)
[09:01] <Kartagis> Trying 192.168.1.2...
[09:01] <Kartagis> Connected to 192.168.1.2.
[09:01] <Kartagis> Escape character is '^] '. <--- this is the state it freezes
[09:01] <Dent> thoreauputic: what about -c1
[09:01] <delire> nova: fglrxconfig will generate a new config for you, the ati way.
[09:01] <rg58sma> i try to put my ftp server and web server
[09:01] <nova> k
[09:01] <Dent> Kartagis: hit Ctrl+] 
[09:01] <signius> Hello all
[09:01] <delire> nova:  'lsmod | grep agp'
[09:01] <nova> i got a back up in my home dir
[09:01] <rg58sma> but when put my adress in navigator i cant see my page
[09:01] <delire> nova: see any agp drivers loaded?
[09:02] <jldugger> Scorpinf, you might try the nero help forum: http://club.cdfreaks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=104
[09:02] <nova> sis_agp                 8132  1
[09:02] <nova> agpgart                33704  1 sis_agp
[09:02] <signius> wow first time trying to use irc and also managedto get straight into the room i wanted :-)
[09:02] <eflynn> Scorpinf, do you have an athlon or intel?
[09:02] <thoreauputic> Dent: I haven't actually tried it on  my drive , as it works fine with -d 1
[09:02] <Kartagis> Trying 192.168.1.2...
[09:02] <Kartagis> Connected to 192.168.1.2.
[09:02] <Kartagis> Escape character is '^] '.
[09:02] <Kartagis> ^] 
[09:02] <Scorpinf> intel
[09:02] <Kartagis> that's it
[09:02] <Scorpinf> eflynn: intel
[09:02] <rg58sma> my ip change everithing,
[09:02] <sproingie> thoreauputic: ah yes, you're right ... i forget the kernel option's just a default
[09:02] <delire> nova: try a sudo rmmod on those and restart x. that may be enough
[09:02] <levander> Kartagis: we saw that, pastebin stuff you copy and paste
[09:02] <rg58sma> everytime
[09:02] <rg58sma> that is the problem??
[09:02] <rg58sma> 200.47.42.22
[09:02] <rg58sma> 200.47.42.21
[09:02] <rg58sma> 200.47.42.20
[09:02] <rg58sma> 200.47.42.22
[09:02] <delire> nova: i don't use agpgart, but ati's own internal agp
[09:02] <nova> hmm
[09:03] <signius> has anyone here managed to get a gps unit working with kismet with the gps unit connected via a usb-serial adapter ?
[09:03] <eflynn> Scorpinf, try sudo apt-get install linux-image.  pick one that says 686 on it.  or use synaptic.  either way you can update your kernel
[09:03] <toxicfume> hi all
[09:03] <nova> how to do rmmod on them
[09:03] <nova> ?
[09:03] <nova> im mostly new to linux in general
[09:03] <delire> nova: sudo rmmod agpgart
[09:03] <delire> nova: you're doing well ;)
[09:03] <delire> nova: etc..
[09:03] <Kartagis> levander: so, what can I do?
[09:03] <toxicfume> is it possible to have gnome and KDE on ubuntu simultaneously? I mean in a single ubuntu installation on a single partition?
[09:03] <Jormundgand> Yes.
[09:03] <sproingie> yes, easily
[09:03] <thoreauputic> toxicfume: sure
[09:04] <nova> Module agpgart is in use by sis_agp
[09:04] <nalioth> toxicfume: yes
[09:04] <Scorpinf> eflynn: ok, but ill check the forum first
[09:04] <toxicfume> that's good to know
[09:04] <delire> nova: rmmod both at the same time
[09:04] <levander> Kartagis: no idea, gotta read, try to figure out what telnet is doing on the server at that point
[09:04] <nalioth> toxicfume: plus other WMs of your choice
[09:04] <KragenSitaker> rg58sma: you probably are getting different ip addresses because your ISP is assigning them to you; you could get better service somewhere else most likely.  or maybe even from the same ISP for more money.
[09:04] <toxicfume> but now, ubuntu has a big problem detecting my laptop's hardware
[09:04] <levander> Kartagis: after you know what it's doing, then can maybe fix
[09:04] <Chetic> Do X800 cards even work in linux today?
[09:04] <johan_> how do i get gpg for my new sources
[09:04] <KragenSitaker> rg58sma: what address are you putting into what "navigator" and what do you see instead of your page?
[09:04] <jldugger> toxicfume, yes. you just can run ALL of both of them at the same time easily. i suppose if you had two monitors hooked up you could concievably run gnome on one and kde on the other. but it doesnt really matter.
[09:04] <sproingie> Chetic: they should, with the current ati driver
[09:04] <rg58sma> with Localhost
[09:04] <sTb> ich gehe joggen wer kommt mit?
[09:04] <jldugger> err just can't run ALL of both at the same time
[09:04] <nova> ERROR: Module sis_agp is in use
[09:04] <rg58sma> i see
[09:04] <nova> ERROR: Module agpgart is in use by sis_agp
[09:04] <Kartagis> levander: I'm trying to telnet my eggdrop
[09:04] <rg58sma> but with
[09:04] <rg58sma> 200.47.42.22
[09:05] <johan_> how do i get gpg for my new sources
[09:05] <levander> Kartagis: what's an eggdrop?
[09:05] <rg58sma> DOT WORK
[09:05] <thoreauputic> Chetic: have you tried googling "X800 linux support" or similar?
[09:05] <signius> wow this irc moves alot faster than yahoo
[09:05] <toxicfume> jldugger: thats interesting indeed, but only if ubuntu supporteed my laptop's hardware without a myriad of problems
[09:05] <Chetic> thoreauputic, no, I'm stupid :)
[09:05] <rg58sma> how to put my ip static?
[09:05] <delire> nova: leave X and do it from the console. also see what i said above about using the internal agp driver.
[09:05] <KragenSitaker> levander: eggdrop is an IRC bot
[09:05] <nalioth> sTb: kein sprechen deutch hier, gehts du #ubuntu-de
[09:05] <signius> can anyone help with help with getting my gps running with gpsd ?
[09:05] <Kartagis> levander: it's an IRC bot that sits like a user
[09:05] <thoreauputic> Chetic: heh - google is your friend, as they say ;)
[09:05] <nova> set to no?
[09:05] <jldugger> toxicfume, sorry but I dont know much about laptops and linux. your trick almost worked though
[09:06] <delire> nova: yes
[09:06] <nova> k
[09:06] <nova> ill try the no first then the other
[09:06] <toxicfume> jldugger: it wasn't a trick at all
[09:06] <delire> sure. then restart x and see
[09:06] <nova> also earlyer some how i managed to make x use xorg.conf in my home dir
[09:06] <jldugger> whatever.  im still adding it to my book of tricks.
[09:07] <nova> intresting accident would like to know how to repeat
[09:07] <delire> nova: hehe nice
[09:07] <synd> how sweet are strike anywhere matches
[09:07] <BockBilbo> hello there
[09:07] <delire> nova: seems partially impossible without a startx flag
[09:07] <truz24> has anyone been able to download a kernel from kernel.org, build it, and successfully use it in ubuntu?
[09:07] <toxicfume> jldugger: askig a totally unrelated question and then nicely deviating it to a support question? lol.
[09:07] <tritium> hi BockBilbo.  Nice to catch you before I leave...
[09:07] <eflynn> Emacs or VIM?
[09:07] <BockBilbo> :)
[09:07] <ryanomalley_> Hey
[09:07] <ryanomalley_> I wanted to install a desklet
[09:07] <ryanomalley_> but then
[09:07] <delire> eflynn: ahah not so easily
[09:07] <toxicfume> delire: hey
[09:07] <ryanomalley_> I deleted the GNOME applications bar
[09:07] <delire> toxicfume: hey there chap
[09:07] <ryanomalley_> and I cant restore it
[09:08] <ryanomalley_> how do I restore it/
[09:08] <nova> restarting x for the 300th time heh
[09:08] <kuap> hi
[09:08] <delire> nova: eek. we're getting there
[09:08] <eflynn> ryanomalley_, did you remove the package or something?
[09:08] <toxicfume> delire: hows it going? i'm thinking of installing ubuntu now..but ofcoruse, the mepis guys are against it :P
[09:08] <ryanomalley_> No No
[09:08] <Kartagis> levander: well?
[09:08] <ryanomalley_> just the bar, and I just want the menu back, the applications, places and system drop downs
[09:08] <jldugger> ryanomalley_, you can't remove the bar itself. you mean the main menu is gone?
[09:08] <rg58sma> how to put my ip static?
[09:08] <johan_> how do i get gpg once i have the sources
[09:08] <delire> toxicfume: well Mepis worked on your laptop. Mepis works on anything pretty much. that said Ubuntu is more fun if you really want to learn stuff.
[09:08] <entropy> anyone here use rss owl?
[09:09] <delire> toxicfume: ubuntu is a little harder for the newbie albeit.
[09:09] <jldugger> gnome wont let you remove all the gnome-panels (aka The Bar)
[09:09] <Kartagis> rg58sma: man ipconfig
[09:09] <ryanomalley_> Hmmm
[09:09] <trixsey> something is wrong with my sound
[09:09] <jldugger> just right click on whatever's left, and choose new panel
[09:09] <ryanomalley_> I deleted it.
[09:09] <eflynn> ryanomalley_, whoa, i just did the same thing
[09:09] <trixsey> eSound aint working.. having major disturbances
[09:09] <trixsey> its like
[09:09] <trixsey> fucking up :(
[09:09] <jldugger> then right click on it and add "main menu"
[09:09] <thoreauputic> ryanomalley_: if the panel is still there, right click and add menu
[09:09] <thoreauputic> jldugger: :)
[09:09] <toxicfume> delire: well since mepis can work on my laptop now, do you think i can get ubuntu to work withthe config files from mepis?
[09:09] <signius> when i do lsusb is al that shows is my usb-serial device not my gps unit thats attached to my adapter
[09:10] <signius> can anyone assist
[09:10] <delire> toxicfume: they are practically identical, other than Mepis has better hardware detection and less political integrity.
[09:10] <ryanomalley_> I can make new panels
[09:10] <eflynn> ryanomalley_, add "Menu Bar"
[09:10] <rg58sma> that is not the answer
[09:10] <toxicfume> delire: ah
[09:10] <Kartagis> XandriX: cheers :)
[09:10] <signius> i think i need to install usbserial  also pl2303
[09:10] <ryanomalley_> add "menu bar"?
[09:10] <ryanomalley_> not there
[09:10] <eflynn> ryanomalley_, yeah
[09:10] <signius> but i am now stuck as to how to do this
[09:10] <delire> toxicfume: copy the configs to a usb stick and then load them on in ubuntu
[09:10] <XandriX> Kartagis, cheers
[09:10] <signius> how do i install these modules in ubuntu
[09:10] <eflynn> ryanomalley_, in "Add to Panel"?
[09:10] <toxicfume> delire: can't i just copy them from the mepis partition?
[09:11] <jldugger> ryanomalley_, right click on whatever panel you want the menu on, choose add to panel, then choose "main menu"
[09:11] <signius> i am pretty much a *nix noob
[09:11] <ryanomalley_> Wow, now I feel stupid
[09:11] <delire> toxicfume: sure if you have both on the same machine. Mepis doesn't use xorg however
[09:11] <Kartagis> sig: man modprobe
[09:11] <ryanomalley_> haha thanks everyone
[09:11] <crimsun> Scorpinf: did you enable DMA manually?
[09:11] <toxicfume> delire: yes i do
[09:11] <crimsun> trixsey: what sort?
[09:11] <ryanomalley_> Got it
[09:11] <trixsey> What?
[09:11] <trixsey> I'm using an onboard intel soundcard (AC97
[09:11] <Ray|v|an-1010> hi im from mexico
[09:11] <trixsey> eSound is bugging, the sound is very bad
[09:12] <trixsey> I got no sound in mplayer, very poor sound in XMMS
[09:12] <trixsey> very poor sound in ubuntu overall
[09:12] <Ray|v|an-1010> somebody can help me
[09:12] <thenuke> Ray|v|an-1010: Finland salutes you
[09:12] <Scorpinf> tried both
[09:12] <crimsun> trixsey: paste me the relevant sound line from lspci -v
[09:12] <crimsun> Scorpinf: is it SATA?
[09:12] <Ray|v|an-1010> with caffeine
[09:12] <thenuke> Ray|v|an-1010: depends, state your problem
[09:12] <jldugger> Ray|v|an-1010, help you with your mexican problem?
[09:12] <Ray|v|an-1010> about codecs
[09:12] <Ray|v|an-1010> xvid
[09:12] <Scorpinf> crimsun: tried both, it's ide
[09:13] <crimsun> Scorpinf: does your controller support DMA for it, and your HD, too/
[09:13] <thoreauputic> :)
[09:13] <Ray|v|an-1010> i can't run a movie
[09:13] <trixsey> crimsun, whats the relevant sound line?
[09:13] <synd> !sources
[09:13] <ubotu> sources are to unstable..
[09:13] <thenuke> Ray|v|an-1010: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[09:13] <Ray|v|an-1010> avi or xvid
[09:13] <Scorpinf> crimsun: tried both, it's ide, and yes it works fine i XP
[09:13] <crimsun> trixsey: lspci -vv, look for the multimedia audio line
[09:13] <crimsun> trixsey: paste _only_ that line
[09:13] <thenuke> Ray|v|an-1010: follow the second step too, just about everyone skips that and then asks the channel again ;)
[09:13] <Ray|v|an-1010> let me see
[09:14] <Scorpinf> getting abit annoyed, can only burn in 2.5x
[09:14] <dahz> i got Xfce installed
[09:14] <dahz> weee
[09:14] <crimsun> Scorpinf: show me the error in #flood you get when attempting to enable DMA on the device
[09:14] <dahz> minor accomplishment but huge for me
[09:14] <crimsun> dahz: congrats
[09:14] <trixsey> crimsun, watcha wanna know? There is tons of info there
[09:14] <jldugger> was it harder than 'apt-get install xfce'?
[09:14] <synd> !sources is http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[09:14] <ubotu> ...but sources is already something else...
[09:14] <thenuke> Ray|v|an-1010: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer  this might be also good for you
[09:15] <nemik> so i'm using cURL and its call and all but how can i URL-encode strings automatically?
[09:15] <eflynn> anybody know how to get a GPG key for a repository?
[09:15] <Scorpinf> crimsun: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[09:15] <crimsun> trixsey: I need the lines for your audio device
[09:15] <thenuke> !sources
[09:15] <ubotu> sources are to unstable..
[09:15] <thenuke> uff
[09:15] <eflynn> !hi
[09:15] <ubotu> hello, eflynn
[09:15] <crimsun> Scorpinf: then it's simply not permitted, and there's not much you can do about it
[09:15] <delire> crimsun: hmm why is it that so many have problems with sound in ubuntu (still) when Mepis, Xandros and Knoppix have it all sorted out?
[09:15] <delire> Scorpinf: this is my issue with another DMA feature
[09:16] <crimsun> Scorpinf: if by chance you are one of the unfortunate people whose hardware is affected by module load order, you might find solutions on the web
[09:16] <signius> i cannot get sound working in ubuntu with kismet either
[09:16] <delire> Scorpinf: but not DMA itself however
[09:16] <signius> and i not had this problem with other distros previously
[09:16] <jldugger> crimsun, he pasted the hdparm output earlier and it indicated that udma2 was the active access method
[09:16] <trixsey> crimsun, 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC '97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[09:16] <Scorpinf> crimsun: tuff luck for a linux begginer you mean ;-)
[09:16] <crimsun> delire: "all sorted out" is hardly the case
[09:16] <vanberge_> anybody know if tvtime can record video?
[09:17] <vanberge_> like vcr style?
[09:17] <vanberge_> or maybe recommend an app for that ?
[09:17] <signius> ! insmod usbserial
[09:17] <ubotu> No idea, signius
[09:17] <crimsun> jldugger: did he paste -v or -i output?
[09:17] <signius> !insmod usbserial
[09:17] <ubotu> No idea, signius
[09:17] <signius> hmmmm
[09:17] <jldugger> i think it was -i
[09:17] <delire> crimsun: i've installed around 47 mepis machines and since knoppix first appeared, god knows how many livecd boots.
[09:17] <signius> how do you get the command output to show in irc ?
[09:17] <crimsun> trixsey: so you're using snd_intel8x0?
[09:17] <trixsey> yes
[09:17] <delire> crimsun: ubuntu really does falter in this regard.
[09:17] <jldugger> signius, cut and paste?
[09:17] <Scorpinf> eflynn: what do i check in synaptic to get the latest kernel?
[09:17] <signius> can you not directly output it ?
[09:18] <crimsun> delire: what version of ALSA do those distros ship by default?
[09:18] <ompaul> crimsun: currently joining you on #ubuntu using irssi having installed 'server' version as a friend of mine suggested, now letting `apt-get install ubuntu-desktop` do its job :)
[09:18] <jldugger> signius, well, sometimes you can use output redirection, but it's ugly and it only works with text based clients
[09:18] <signius> im using xchat
[09:18] <signius> first time using irc
[09:18] <spektr> Scorpinf: I had the same problem last month - the generic ide drivers had been loaded before the drivers of my specific chipset, so they didn't work
[09:18] <signius> im having a nightmare trying to get my gps unit working
[09:18] <jldugger> afaik, just cut and paste. its better than accidentally sending pages worth of text to the channel
[09:18] <thoreauputic> jldugger: that isn't actually true
[09:19] <mdke> is there an easy fix for X in breezy? should I be removing fonts from my config?
[09:19] <Scorpinf> spektr: how did u fix it
[09:19] <delire> crimsun: it's not on the alsa side, it's the ongoing problem with esd, and innapropriate hw aliasing in ubuntu (it seems)
[09:19] <nova> think i found the problem
[09:19] <delire> nova: great
[09:19] <signius> i think i am missing some modules but i do not know how to going about installing them
[09:19] <IIIEars> ! flood insurance
[09:19] <ubotu> hmm... flood insurance is http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.com or #flood
[09:19] <crimsun> delire: hw aliasing?
[09:19] <nova> i still have xorg-driver-fglrx installed
[09:19] <crimsun> trixsey: have you tried without esound?
[09:19] <jldugger> thoreauputic, can you redirect output to stdin on xchat as well?
[09:19] <nova> on removing with synaptic i get E: xorg-driver-fglrx:  subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2
[09:19] <spektr> Scorpinf: I inserted the chipset driver as first line into /etc/modules
[09:19] <thoreauputic> jldugger:  /exec -o cat file works, for instance , in xchat (in #flood of course)
[09:19] <nova> how can i remove it from teminal
[09:20] <spektr> Scorpinf: then you need a reboot
[09:20] <trixsey> crimsun, yeah... ALSA says I dont have a soundcard (LOL)
[09:20] <jldugger> /exec will put output to the channel?
[09:20] <delire> crimsun: alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss
[09:20] <student> holla fabionne
[09:20] <delire> crimsun: etc
[09:20] <trixsey> and OSS doesnt work at all
[09:20] <thoreauputic> jldugger:  /exec -o yes
[09:20] <student> como teba
[09:20] <jldugger> ah
[09:20] <delire> crimsun: i've fixed four friends ubuntu machines running alsaconf (for instance)
[09:20] <signius> can anyone assist in educating me in how to install some modules
[09:21] <crimsun> delire: that has nothing to do with the esd problems. The problem is esd itself. We're trying dmix by default without esd.
[09:21] <crimsun> (for Breezy)
[09:21] <delire> crimsun: that's good news..
[09:21] <mdke> is there an easy fix for X in breezy? should I be removing fonts from my config?
[09:21] <thoreauputic> crimsun: glad to hear that :)
[09:21] <crimsun> delire: the aliasing also is a red herring. Don't confuse module aliasing with hw aliasing, because they are completely different.
[09:21] <delire> crimsun: as i said, on friends machines there have been two problems, esd and this aliasing.
[09:21] <chrissturm> mdke: what errror do you get?
[09:21] <nova> delire how to remove the xorg-fglrx drivers in a terminal
[09:21] <IIIEars> delire - sound was and is working perfectly with files but sounds distorted with shoutcast stations. - any tips?
[09:22] <delire> crimsun: i meant module aliasing yes
[09:22] <iepa> Good evening
[09:22] <nova> they wont remove thorugh synaptic
[09:22] <delire> IIIEars: no
[09:22] <iepa> I have a problem, maybe someone can help me
[09:22] <synd> !synd
[09:22] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, synd is a character
[09:22] <mdke> chrissturm, some problems with xbase-fonts i think
[09:22] <delire> nova: haha the old drivers were sill loaded. remeber i asked? ;)
[09:22] <trixsey> crimsun, you know what I can do? :(
[09:22] <Scorpinf> spektr: i'm a linux beginner, can u tell me how pls, or find a guide
[09:22] <delire> nova: i didn't know what you were running before.. thought it was 'ati'
[09:22] <IIIEars> !ubuntuguide
[09:22] <ubotu> I heard ubuntuguide is a helpful guide for new users located at http://ubuntuguide.org
[09:22] <nova> well just not the ati ones were not there heh
[09:22] <crimsun> trixsey: sec, please, I have about twenty different conversations right now
[09:23] <nova> its the xorgs lol
[09:23] <synd> !sources
[09:23] <ubotu> well, sources is http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[09:23] <toran> hey guys, where can I get kcolorchooser? it doesn't seem to be part of kubuntu default
[09:23] <nova> need to nuke the bastards in terminal
[09:23] <chrissturm> mdke: what exactly?
[09:23] <mdke> chrissturm, could not open default font "fixed"
[09:23] <delire> nova: cool ;)
[09:23] <nova> that or change to ati then nuke
[09:23] <signius> a thats interesting if i do lsmod it lists usbserial as pl2303
[09:23] <iepa> the matter is that i have opened an RTF file that came in an email with Open Office. I have been modifying it for hours, and then I have realized that I was saving at \tmp But the file is not there
[09:23] <iepa> Can you help me?
[09:23] <iepa> thanks in advance
[09:23] <nova> just not sure how to nuke the xorg ones in terminal
[09:23] <signius> so does that mean that it is installed already
[09:23] <crimsun> trixsey: first, if /proc/asound/modules reports no driver, then you can't be using alsa
[09:23] <delire> nova: right, well that's one for next time. good work.
[09:23] <mdke> chrissturm, the font paths are broken
[09:23] <crimsun> trixsey: paste the output from the following to pastebin.com: lsmod
[09:23] <bobbyd> where can I find the screen resize and rotate tool in kubuntu
[09:23] <chrissturm> mdke: change all fonts to /usr/share instead of /usr/lib
[09:23] <chrissturm> mdke: in xorg.conf
[09:24] <nalioth> iepa: /tmp is temporary
[09:24] <nova> hmm can i just change driver to ati in xorg.conf with out changing any thing else in xorg?
[09:24] <nova> ack nvm
[09:24] <chrissturm> btw, why is there both /tmp and /var/tmp ?
[09:24] <mdke> chrissturm, ok thanks
[09:24] <delire> nova: you definitely want 'fglrx' in xorg.conf
[09:24] <iepa> nalioth yes I know, but I can't find there now, do you now if it is temporary cleaned :-(
[09:24] <synd> bobbyd, try #kubuntu
[09:24] <delire> nova: not ati.
[09:24] <trixsey> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/295172
[09:24] <trixsey> :)
[09:24] <nova> well need to nuke these old fglrx first
[09:24] <nova> how to do so from terminal
[09:25] <mdke> chrissturm, is that a well known issue?
[09:25] <nalioth> iepa: yes, /tmp is not to be saved to, cuz things don't stay there
[09:25] <iepa> so I can't recover the file anyway?
[09:25] <chrissturm> mdke: that happens only when you manually changed xorg.conf, otherwise its updated automatically
[09:25] <delire> nova: dpkg -l | grep fglrx
[09:26] <nalioth> iepa: afraid not
[09:26] <Twitch> I just went to compile a program and it said checking for cc, and it came back saying no what does this mean
[09:26] <iepa> nalioth thanks anyway
[09:26] <nalioth> iepa: perhaps save to your home folder
[09:26] <nova> ii  fglrx-6-8-0    8.12.10-2      XFree86 display driver for the ATI graphics is what was returned
[09:26] <Twitch> same happened with gcc
[09:26] <Upayavira> Earlier today, I found a 15Gb log file in /var/log. It had filled my root partition. I deleted it. But df still shows 100%. I know that overnight it will drop to about 20%. Can I make it drop now?
[09:26] <iepa> no, I have checked and is not there too :-)
[09:26] <thoreauputic> Twitch: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:26] <mdke> chrissturm, i didn't, its a brand new install from colony 1a couple of hours ago
[09:26] <delire> nova: that's the one you installed from the alien'd rpm. leave that there
[09:26] <nova> ok thats all that is showing
[09:27] <chrissturm> mdke: did you already upgrade?
[09:27] <Twitch> thoreauputic: came back invalid operation
[09:27] <mdke> chrissturm, yeah, it was working before i upgraded
[09:27] <nalioth> iepa: no. i mean, save to your home directory
[09:27] <thoreauputic> Twitch: then you typed it wrong
[09:27] <nova> xfree86 shouldnt that say xorg?
[09:27] <Twitch> build-essential
[09:27] <spektr> Scorpinf: I'm not sure, but try to comment out the three lines starting with "ide-" in your /etc/modules and reboot. (put a # in frot of each line)
[09:27] <thoreauputic> Twitch: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:27] <delire> nova: just make sure 'fglrx' is in the xorg.conf and try restarting X (again). set that agp option to "no" perhaps also.
[09:27] <toxicfume> while installing ubuntu, i usedthe manual partitioning option to manually partition my free space partition on my drive, but i want to know if i have to set up "Bootable Flag" to Off or On?
[09:27] <IIIEars> !build-essential
[09:27] <ubotu> well, build-essential is http://ubuntuguide.org/#build-essential
[09:27] <crimsun> trixsey: and now your lspci -vv info
[09:28] <signius> is anyone here familiar with gpsd
[09:28] <nova> been there done that heh
[09:28] <delire> nova: which one did you download. the xorg or xfree86 from ati.com?
[09:28] <mdke> omg
[09:28] <signius> i am trying to get my gps unit working
[09:28] <nova> i thought xorg
[09:28] <mdke> someone has made a bot which points to ubuntuguide???!?
[09:28] <thenuke> !codecs
[09:28] <ubotu> well, codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:28] <synd> !ubuntuguide
[09:28] <ubotu> well, ubuntuguide is a helpful guide for new users located at http://ubuntuguide.org
[09:28] <toxicfume> while installing ubuntu, i usedthe manual partitioning option to manually partition my free space partition on my drive, but i want to know if i have to set up "Bootable Flag" to Off or On?
[09:28] <mdke> jeez
[09:28] <nova> fglrx_6_8_0-8.12.10-1.i386.rpm <<<< that one
[09:28] <chrissturm> mdke: strange it worked for me
[09:28] <Twitch> thoreauputic: neat thanks man what does that do?
[09:28] <crimsun> toxicfume: we read you the first time
[09:28] <mdke> chrissturm, i did a -reconfigure too...
[09:28] <nalioth> toxicfume: grub or lilo will take care of it
[09:29] <delire> nova: that looks like xorg versioning to me. i have v4.3.0-8.10.19
[09:29] <thoreauputic> Twitch: installs the tools you need for compiling
[09:29] <thoreauputic> basically
[09:29] <chrissturm> mdke: did it say something at the end about not writing xorg.conf ?
[09:29] <delire> nova: check on ati.com
[09:29] <mdke> chrissturm, not that i recall
[09:29] <Twitch> thoreauputic: cool thanks man
[09:29] <toxicfume> nalioth: i alreayd have grub installed on another partiton
[09:29] <nalioth> toxicfume: so when you update your grub to see the part you are making, it will boot it
[09:29] <thoreauputic> Twitch: if you get configure errors, it will mean you need -dev libraries by the way
[09:30] <thoreauputic> Twitch: a common thing
[09:30] <toxicfume> nalioth: would you happen to know how i would update grub to do that?
[09:30] <XandriX> *cd's
[09:30] <mdke> chrissturm, should I be looking at bugzilla and filing you think?
[09:30] <nalioth> toxicfume: nope, i run PPC, and am more familiar with lilo
[09:30] <mdke> chrissturm, oh hang on
[09:30] <trixsey> crimsun,
[09:30] <delire> hmm, when will my cd's arrive.. it's been a couple of months
[09:30] <nova> yeh is right one
[09:30] <trixsey> you finding it?
[09:30] <nalioth> toxicfume: the man page may help you, tho
[09:30] <mdke> chrissturm, the paths in xorg.conf are already /usr/share
[09:31] <crimsun> trixsey: I'm awaiting your lspci -vv info
[09:31] <toxicfume> nalioth: the man page is too cryptic for me
[09:31] <delire> nova: cool. well restart X (again) after making those changes to xorg.conf
[09:31] <Upayavira> I found a huge file filling my root partition. After deleting it, df still shows 100%. How can  I get it to drop so I can create files in my root partition? Is it the ext3 journal that is keeping the space? Can I flush it?
[09:31] <nalioth> toxicfume: then google "grub for dummies" and see if something more simple comes up
[09:31] <nova> they were made and restarted
[09:31] <Twitch> thor|break, thanks man it's working now
[09:31] <delire> nova: glxinfo | grep direct
[09:31] <crimsun> Upayavira: do not try to delete the journal, heh
[09:31] <delire> nova: any luck?
[09:31] <crimsun> Upayavira: what's the filename?
[09:32] <nova> no
[09:32] <Upayavira> was mysql.log
[09:32] <crimsun> Upayavira: that's the mysql logfile
[09:32] <toran> where can I get kcolorchooser or a similar color picker? it doesn't seem to be part of kubuntu by default
[09:32] <nalioth> Upayavira: HOW did you delete that file?
[09:32] <Upayavira> Well, without clearing something, my disc is at 100% still.
[09:32] <delire> nova: jeziz. well that's all it takes from here. fglrx is definitely loaded yes?
[09:32] <Upayavira> rm mysql.log!
[09:32] <crimsun> Upayavira: have you downloaded a lot of packages?
[09:32] <nova> yeh from the grep command
[09:33] <Upayavira> No, that log file was 15Gb! I had a process run wild, which I stopped.
[09:33] <nova> delire can you ul your config file some where and ill sub my info for yours as needed?
[09:33] <trixsey> crimsun,
[09:33] <trixsey> http://pastebin.com/295177
[09:33] <nova> im wondering if maybe i got some , for . type error some where
[09:33] <trixsey> there crimsun :)
[09:33] <delire> nova: i don't use x.org, though they are largely the same. i generated my file with fglrxconfig by the way.
[09:33] <Upayavira> So I know why it got that big. What I want to know is how, after having deleted the file, to be able to actually use my root partition, which is still reporting 100% usage via df.
[09:34] <delire> nova: you did make sure "UseInternalAGPGART" option is set to "no"?
[09:34] <nova> yep
[09:34] <toxicfume> Can 2 different linux installations on differen partitions use the same single swap partition?
[09:34] <toran> where can I get kcolorchooser or a similar color picker? it doesn't seem to be part of kubuntu by default
[09:34] <mjr> toxicfume, yes
[09:34] <crimsun> trixsey: cat /proc/asound/cards
[09:35] <toxicfume> mjr: okay, thanks :)
[09:35] <nova> going to restart once more
[09:35] <mjr> toxicfume, though then you'd better not boot the other while you have the other softsuspended
[09:35] <delire> nova: back it up and use fglrxconfig to generate your xorg.conf file. it will probably write out an XF86Config-4. just rename it to xorg.conf and try it.
[09:35] <mdke> has anyone got any spare time to help me get X working in breezy?
[09:35] <delire> nova: that's all i can suggest, short of going through the whole process again...
[09:35] <chrissturm> mdke: still not working?
[09:35] <Twitch>  I just went to compile something and got a message saying readline wasn't found in either of the normal spots, but I've done nothign with readline yet
[09:35] <mdke> chrissturm, oh sorry i left you some messages above ^^ ;)
[09:36] <trixsey> crimsun,
[09:36] <nova> should i run fglrxconfig from a terminal or kill x all togather
[09:36] <trixsey> root@Trixsey:/home/trixsey # cat /proc/asound/cards
[09:36] <trixsey> 0 [ICH5           ] : ICH4 - Intel ICH5
[09:36] <trixsey>                      Intel ICH5 with ALC655 at 0xf4001000, irq 17
[09:36] <delire> Twitch: you need libreadline-dev or similar
[09:36] <mdke> chrissturm, the font paths were already correct...
[09:36] <chrissturm> oh
[09:36] <Twitch> delire: how would I go about getting it
[09:36] <nova> and run as sudo or as normal users?
[09:36] <mdke> chrissturm, at least they already started with /usr/share
[09:36] <crimsun> trixsey: does amixer produce a lot of output?
[09:36] <chrissturm> ok
[09:36] <trixsey> crimsun, yes
[09:36] <avinoam> I have a question
[09:37] <chrissturm> mdke: what does sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core say?
[09:37] <avinoam> How do i open archive manager with root permission?
[09:37] <bigfoot> Hi all. I'm reading the tips for cusomizing my Linux to optimize Desktop Performance (http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8308#comment-47098). One of the comments suggested disabling unused and unneeded daemons, saying that "most distros enable much more than you  will need or use." So what are these extraneous daemons for the desktop user? And how do i go disabling them?
[09:37] <mdke> chrissturm, installed
[09:37] <delire> Twitch: 'apt-cache search readline' and then select the latest development pacakge from the list (ends in -dev) and then 'apt-get install packagename'
[09:37] <crimsun> trixsey: paste that output onto pastebin
[09:37] <Twitch> delire: ahh ok
[09:37] <delire> avinoam: sudo
[09:37] <avinoam> sudo what?
[09:37] <delire> avinoam: sudo synaptic
[09:38] <avinoam> i want to use the gnome archive manager
[09:38] <delire> avinoam: or fo you mean something else
[09:38] <avinoam> like ark
[09:38] <chrissturm> mdke: strange, i have no X problems with breezy here on two systems
[09:38] <avinoam> not synaptic
[09:38] <chrissturm> mdke: ubuntu-desktop also installed?
[09:38] <delire> avinoam: ok then 'sudo ark' (sudo == "super user do")
[09:38] <avinoam> or in general starting gnome apps with root permissiom
[09:38] <avinoam> i know what sudo is
[09:38] <delire> avinoam: so use it
[09:39] <chrissturm> mdke: and what xorg version do you have installed?
[09:39] <mdke> chrissturm, dpkg-reconfigure xfonts-base gives me some errors
[09:39] <avinoam> there is the program "archive manager" i wanna usw that
[09:39] <avinoam> use
[09:39] <trixsey> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/295184
[09:39] <jldugger> bigfoot, there are a few, but Ubuntu is mostly a desktop oriented distro anyways. the few you have running are very low overhead. i cant even remember if sshd comes by default
[09:39] <mjr> jldugger, doesn't'
[09:39] <CrustyPunk> Question... can someone do me a huge favor and pm me a good list of repositories? I've fucked up my Ubuntu installation to know better than to go looking for them myself. x.X
[09:39] <chrissturm> mdke: it fails for me too :)
[09:40] <CrustyPunk> enough times*
[09:40] <saibear> hey i am new to Ubuntu
[09:40] <chrissturm> but nevertheless i have X running :)
[09:40] <mdke> chrissturm, hmm
[09:40] <levander> bigfoot: look in /etc/rc2.d, the scripts that start with an S are run when you boot ubuntu.  You'll have to google for each of the daemons started by those scripts, and then decide yourself if you can stop them from starting
[09:40] <saibear> how does it work for all of you
[09:40] <Dent> hey all, i'm a ubuntu gui-kangaroo
[09:40] <crimsun> trixsey: did you try using alsa directly instead of esd?
[09:40] <mdke> chrissturm, are you using xfs?
[09:40] <delire> saibear: great
[09:41] <saibear> cool i am haveing trouble with my mp3s to work
[09:41] <chrissturm> xfs? the filesystem?
[09:41] <alerim> saibear: that sounds like a FAQ :)
[09:41] <mdke> chrissturm, the font server
[09:41] <dahz> i cant find Synaptic under Xfce
[09:41] <sproingie> Dent: i'll bite.  what's a gui-kangeroo?
[09:41] <trixsey> crimsun, how do I do that?
[09:41] <saibear> nice
[09:41] <dahz> any ideas where it might be?
[09:41] <bigfoot> jldugger, oh, is ubuntu a desktop-oriented distro? i wasn't sure about that.
[09:41] <sproingie> does xfce use the standard .desktop files?
[09:41] <chrissturm> mdke: i have a standard x install, dunno if thats using xfs
[09:41] <mdke> chrissturm, hmm, ok i'll work on it later
[09:42] <dahz> yeah
[09:42] <avinoam> anyone know how to open gnome programs with root permission?
[09:42] <crimsun> trixsey: System>Preferences>Sound> uncheck "Enable sound server startup"
[09:42] <dahz> i suppose
[09:42] <sproingie> ubuntu is primarily desktop oriented.  server is actually where it's a bit weak
[09:42] <GammaRay> what file do I modify to set what wm is started when I run startx? (no I don't want to use .xinitrc)
[09:42] <levander> sproingie: how is ubuntu weak on the server?
[09:42] <IIIEars> avinoam gksudo?
[09:42] <delire> avinoam: dude as i said use sudo or log in as root and then execute them
[09:42] <crimsun> trixsey: then, System>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector>Default Audio Sink>ALSA>Test
[09:42] <sproingie> levander: no selinux, mostly
[09:42] <bigfoot> levander, thank you for your response. when i google the terms, should the terms include the letter "s"?
[09:43] <avinoam> what is gksudo?
[09:43] <IIIEars> delire patience with the new we were all there once.
[09:43] <saibear> I am running Ubuntu on a HP laptop and it semes to be working fine all but the sound for mp3
[09:43] <bigfoot> one daemon running is sfetchmail. Do i need that if I read/write email via a web-mail service?
[09:43] <levander> bigfoot: no, you gotta find out what daemon the script that starts with an S is kicking off.  Although, usually, the script is named after the daemon
[09:43] <delire> IIIEars: he's asked several times.
[09:43] <crimsun> saibear: did you install gstreamer0.8-mad?
[09:43] <IIIEars> avinoam - gksudo is best for graphical apps.
[09:43] <saibear> the sound works for everything else
[09:43] <saibear> yeah i did
[09:43] <levander> sproingie: what's selinux?
[09:44] <sproingie> levander: thats mostly a debian weakness i guess.  tho debian shines other places for server work
[09:44] <crimsun> saibear: what app are you trying to use with mp3s
[09:44] <avinoam> i'm trying to run archive manager what's the command?
[09:44] <jldugger> selinux = security enhanced linux, a set of tweaks to linux provided by the NSA
[09:44] <sproingie> levander: security enhanced linux.  sort of the de facto standard for secure linux installs these days
[09:44] <saibear> really anything that wil pick it up xmms
[09:44] <avinoam> i don't know what the filename is called
[09:44] <levander> sproingie: do you think fedora is better for servers than ubuntu? and, if so, why?
[09:44] <trixsey> crimsun,
[09:44] <trixsey> doesnt work
[09:44] <crimsun> delire: if someone asks 10,000 times, then we try and be polite all 10,000
[09:44] <crimsun> trixsey: what error?
[09:44] <GammaRay> anyone use qiv? I'm having trouble w/ the qiv-command function.
[09:44] <trixsey> failed to construct test pipeline
[09:44] <delire> crimsun: fair enough.
[09:45] <CrustyPunk> Question: Are there any ATI drivers for Ubuntu, or am I going to have to alien the RPM from the ATI site?
[09:45] <saibear> crimsun do you have any idias
[09:45] <crimsun> CrustyPunk: the drivers are included. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:45] <GammaRay> qiv-command looks like this:
[09:45] <GammaRay> if [ "$1" == 0 ] ;then
[09:45] <GammaRay>         qiv "$2"&
[09:45] <GammaRay> fi
[09:45] <crimsun> saibear: sec
[09:45] <CrustyPunk> crimsun, thanks
[09:45] <crimsun> trixsey: open a Terminal and use aplay to play a wav file
[09:45] <avinoam> let's try this, can i log into gnome with root?
[09:45] <GammaRay> however.. the original qiv hangs when I hit 0 until qiv-command exits
[09:46] <sproingie> dear dear me.  ubuntu livecd under qemu is ... glacial
[09:46] <delire> avinoam: yes you can, but it's a bit dangerous.
[09:46] <slgreene> hello
[09:46] <crimsun> saibear: does xmms play ogg vorbis files fine for you?
[09:46] <slgreene> anyone home
[09:46] <IIIEars> crimsun - Would love to have a copy if it isn't too much trouble. Please?
[09:46] <crouton> nope
[09:46] <avinoam> i want to do it to install something
[09:46] <avinoam> and then log out
[09:46] <avinoam> so how do i do it?
[09:46] <crimsun> IIIEars: you lost me; a copy of what?
[09:46] <GammaRay> avinoam: run sudo su -
[09:46] <avinoam> k
[09:47] <avinoam> sudo su and gnome is in root mode?
[09:47] <crouton> heh
[09:47] <GammaRay> avinoam: nope
[09:47] <inc595> hey channel
[09:47] <crouton> hello inc
[09:47] <Chetic> Is there a netlimiting app for linux?
[09:47] <avinoam> so then how?
[09:47] <avinoam> GammaRay that's what i need
[09:47] <inc595> netlimiting?
[09:47] <crouton> Chetic - bandwidth limiting or traffic shaping?
[09:47] <GammaRay> avinoam: why?
[09:48] <Chetic> yeah bandwidth limiting
[09:48] <jldugger> Chetic, you mean like traffic shaping?
[09:48] <Chetic> I had trouble finding a word, excuse me
[09:48] <GammaRay> avinoam: you can run any app as root from a normal user
[09:48] <avinoam> GammaRay for archive manager, it's not letting me extract
[09:48] <inc595> can iptables do that?
[09:48] <nova> delire zero diffrence
[09:48] <avinoam> GammaRay it says i don't have permission to extract files
[09:48] <nova> nothing i do can get rid of this mesa crap
[09:48] <Chetic> I need to limit my bandwidth, else my ISP will shut me down
[09:48] <jldugger> netfliter should be able to handle it. but you'll probably want something more pretty
[09:49] <crouton> Chetic:  you could just watch what you're down/upping. :)
[09:49] <Chetic> no crouton
[09:49] <inc595> Chetic,  unplug for a few days
[09:49] <GammaRay> avinoam: run sudo file-roller in a terminal
[09:49] <crouton> Shorewall is a firewall that might have some bandwidth limiting options
[09:49] <Chetic> inc595, that's just crazytalk
[09:49] <Twitch> lol i finally get around to making the install and i get 1 error when running make
[09:49] <GammaRay> avinoam: there is also a program in the menu to do the same
[09:49] <nova> afk
[09:49] <inc595> Chetic, oh yeah.. sorry don't know what came over me
[09:50] <Twitch> I think it's because i have no zlib.h
[09:50] <delire> nova: you don't want to get rid of mesa, so much as be sure you're not using it.
[09:50] <trixsey> crimsun, nothing happends
[09:50] <avinoam> GammaRay it says authentication rejected
[09:50] <Chetic> If I go above 32KB/s up or down, this house will have no internet connection until next year (when other alternatives are available)
[09:50] <crimsun> Twitch: install zlib1g-dev
[09:50] <Chetic> So I NEED a bandwidth limiter
[09:50] <nova> yeh same dif its still being used
[09:50] <bigfoot> how can i get the Gnome main menu to pop up using only the keyboard? (The equivalent of using the "Windows Key" in WindowsOS to pop-up the Start Menu...)
[09:50] <megabit> Hi I have got Umax 4000CX and some special kei dont running - +- display +-sound mute and sleep. when I write modprobe acpi it say:  FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/arch/i386/                                            kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device
[09:50] <crimsun> trixsey: describe "nothing"
[09:50] <delire> nova: you don't want to be using it as your default opengl. i don't know why, with the driver compiled and ati glx installed it's still being used. all i can think of is that it's the agp driver.
[09:50] <inc595> you running a website or something?
[09:50] <crimsun> trixsey: what syntax are you using?
[09:50] <jldugger> Chetic, im a bit curious how come they can't provide this for you
[09:50] <ompaul> Chetic: wondershaper might be useful for you
[09:51] <sproingie> Chetic: does  your ISP consist of a shared line or something?  that's a tremendously braindead thing for a commercial ISP
[09:51] <Chetic> ompaul, thanks
[09:51] <Twitch> crimsun: I <3 you
[09:51] <Chetic> sproingie, I know.. they have no idea what they're doing
[09:51] <sproingie> most real ISP's who have limits just use a shaper
[09:51] <trixsey> crimsun, aplay file.wav
[09:51] <Chetic> jldugger, they're.. morons
[09:51] <jldugger> are they the only option in the area?
[09:51] <Chetic> yes :(
[09:51] <crimsun> trixsey: and what does that command do?
[09:52] <trixsey> its supposed to play a wav file, I suppose
[09:52] <Chetic> I'm also on a two-year contract with them
[09:52] <trixsey> but nothing happends
[09:52] <delire> nova: well that must be pretty frustrating. i'm trying to think if there's any other possible reason.
[09:52] <nova> on sec brb
[09:52] <avinoam> OK i managed using custom command
[09:52] <thoreauputic> trixsey: erm.. are you using an "actual" .wav file?
[09:52] <crimsun> trixsey: does it hang? does it return to a prompt?
[09:52] <jldugger> chectic, there's also trickle
[09:52] <nova> evn though i said no to use internal agp it still put yes
[09:52] <inc595> Chetic, I found this.. it may help you http://www.opennet.ru/docs/HOWTO/Bandwidth-Limiting-HOWTO/
[09:53] <crimsun> trixsey: please be more specific
[09:53] <delire> nova: hmm. are these other agp modules loaded are they?
[09:53] <delire> nova: if so, you might want to exit X, rmmod those modules and then start X without them.
[09:53] <bigfoot> How come when I type the letter "U" in gnome-terminal, it toggles the Menubar? It doesn't give me the letter "U" ? thank you.
[09:54] <Chetic> inc595, highly appreciated, thanks
[09:54] <delire> nova: if so, you might want to exit X, rmmod those modules and then start X without them.
[09:54] <nova> still mesa
[09:54] <nova> brb in 10
[09:54] <toxicfume> delire: hey, can i msg you?
[09:54] <delire> nova: ok check the agp modules aren't loaded. you shouldn't need them now.
[09:54] <delire> toxicfume: sure
[09:54] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: that's odd - I get a letter "u" here...
[09:54] <trixsey> crimsun, I enter it in the terminal and then absolutley nothing happends... I cant use the terminal anymore
[09:54] <trixsey> and I hear nothing
[09:55] <crimsun> trixsey: so it's hanging?
[09:55] <bigfoot> hi thoreauputic. Well, what i did was i just erased/cleared it from the keyboard shortcuts option.
[09:55] <crimsun> trixsey: i.e., it doesn't return to a prompt?
[09:55] <trixsey> line breaks and I can type whatever I want..
[09:55] <Dent> Chetic: you mean, kick you out as a customer :(
[09:55] <crimsun> trixsey: ok, press ctrl+c
[09:55] <trixsey> and yes, I'm using an actual wav file
[09:55] <Dent> bastards
[09:55] <crimsun> trixsey: that should return you to a prompt
[09:55] <trixsey> it doesnt hang, it doesnt return to a prompt..
[09:55] <trixsey> it feels like it never even starts :p
[09:56] <crimsun> trixsey: prep esd
[09:56] <trixsey> root@Trixsey:/usr/share/sounds/gtk-events # aplay activate.wav
[09:56] <trixsey> root@Trixsey:/usr/share/sounds/gtk-events #
[09:56] <Frafra> hi all
[09:56] <crimsun> trixsey: sorry, pgrep esd
[09:56] <Chetic> Dent, I won't get their service but they will get my money..
[09:56] <trixsey> root@Trixsey:/usr/share/sounds/gtk-events # prep esd
[09:56] <trixsey> bash: prep: command not foun
[09:56] <Frafra> w32codecs for amd64?
[09:56] <trixsey> root@Trixsey:/usr/share/sounds/gtk-events # pgrep esd
[09:56] <trixsey> 27253
[09:56] <inc595> Chetic, here's another one http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/Bandwidth-Limiting-HOWTO
[09:56] <Dent> blech, kill it.
[09:56] <crimsun> trixsey: that's why it hung; esd grabbed the device
[09:56] <Dent> killall esd, and try again
[09:56] <crimsun> trixsey: pkill esd
[09:56] <megabit> Can you help mi with acpi?
[09:56] <crimsun> trixsey: then try the aplay command again
[09:57] <BoD_SWAT> how can I 'put' a file or directory, using 'ftp-ssl' from /usr/src/test/ to /upload/ ?
[09:57] <trixsey> root@Trixsey:/usr/share/sounds/gtk-events # aplay activate.wav
[09:57] <trixsey> Playing WAVE 'activate.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Mono
[09:57] <trixsey> root@Trixsey:/usr/share/sounds/gtk-events #
[09:57] <crimsun> trixsey: right, and do you hear anything?
[09:57] <Dent> okay?
[09:57] <_Church_of_Foamy> can kubuntu use an ipod?
[09:57] <trixsey> crimsun, yes
[09:57] <crimsun> trixsey: and how's the quality?
[09:57] <Dent> _Church_of_Foamy: nobody can use one :(
[09:57] <Dent> nobody can afford one!
[09:57] <trixsey> crimsun, now my sound works
[09:58] <Dent> at least, in my country
[09:58] <inc595> _Church_of_Foamy, I think it's gtkpod or something
[09:58] <Dent> trixsey: esd blows.
[09:58] <crimsun> trixsey: so now you can use alsa directly.
[09:58] <trixsey> yeah but this problem wont come back as soon as I reboot?
[09:58] <Dent> yeah
[09:58] <johan_> when you get a deb package how to install it
[09:58] <Frafra> are there w32codecs for amd64?
[09:58] <Dent> disable audio in your gnome menu thinger
[09:58] <Dent> gnome's ESD is hijacking the soundcard
[09:58] <thoreauputic> Frafra: as the name would imply, no
[09:59] <nalioth> johan_: sudo dpkg -i <filename.deb>
[09:59] <thoreauputic> Frafra: w "32" ?
[09:59] <Frafra> w64:D
[09:59] <BoD_SWAT> WhiteRabbit, yes?
[09:59] <crimsun> trixsey: no, it won't reappear, because you've configured gnome to not use esd
[09:59] <Tomcat_> Is the linux-image-...-k7 good for AMD Athlon64 CPUs?
[09:59] <johan_> thanks
[10:00] <crimsun> trixsey: just make sure System>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector>Default Audio Sink is configured to use ALSA
[10:00] <Dent> Tomcat_: is it an amd64 kernel
[10:00] <WhiteRabbit> did I say BoD_SWAT or swat to Dent gnome's ESD is hijacking the soundcard silly guy linux is for admins
[10:00] <crimsun> Tomcat_: sure, it'll work, but that's a 32-bit kernel not a 64-bit one
[10:00] <Tomcat_> Dent: No, I'm running Ubuntu i386 to avoid problems with Flash and so on...
[10:00] <WhiteRabbit> BoD_SWAT, ;)~~
[10:00] <BoD_SWAT> WhiteRabbit, my nick is usually SWAT :D
[10:00] <Dent> "flash and so on", okay
[10:00] <Dent> it'll run like trash
[10:00] <Dent> but nice and stable
[10:01] <crimsun> nice and stable is arguably better than latest and greatest
[10:01] <WhiteRabbit> BoD_SWAT, of course I knew this
[10:01] <Dent> ...okay
[10:01] <BoD_SWAT> WhiteRabbit, I just felt the need to reply...:-)
[10:01] <Dent> but it's 'greatest'
[10:02] <Dent> how is stable greater than greatest :(
[10:02] <Tomcat_> Well Flash won't work... that's bad, I like Flash. :) and I doubt w32codecs will work, or any other binary thing.
[10:02] <WhiteRabbit> BoD_SWAT, Of course your not well nm hehe
[10:02] <Dent> w32codecs... yes... hmm....
[10:02] <Dent> for all those WMVs i have...
[10:02] <Tomcat_> The question is if the i386 k7 kernel is better than the i386 i386 one. :>
[10:02] <Dent> there's a couple flash thingers you know
[10:03] <Dent> makes a little difference
[10:03] <Dent> the k7 will be a touch faster
[10:03] <iceman> going to attempt to build a custom install
[10:03] <crimsun> Dent: I'd rather be able to use a computer reliably than use Flash, thanks.
[10:03] <Dent> an 1800 AMD64 will run about the speed of an 1800 AMD32
[10:03] <crimsun> that's just me being crazy, I suppose.
[10:03] <Dent> (AMD64 3000+)
[10:03] <iceman> i'd rather have the amd 64 processor
[10:03] <Dent> crimsun: err?  that wasn't in dispute..
[10:03] <nova> delire im gona make #novastemp im not sure what to make of this and its a fiarly large paste please joing
[10:04] <Dent> flash doesn't run on amd64
[10:04] <Dent> amd64 = stable
[10:04] <nalioth> iceman: i'd rather have a dual proc dual core amd64 system
[10:04] <delire> nova: ok..
[10:04] <BoD_SWAT> WhiteRabbit, I always reply when some screams SWAT at the discotheque/bar/cafe, so for me it 'not being well' is 'normal :-)
[10:04] <AndyR> lo all
[10:04] <WhiteRabbit> BoD_SWAT, I understand completely now
[10:04] <Dent> i'd rather use a quad antares ppc with amigaos 5
[10:04] <JoshYme1> i just installed ubuntu and i'm getting an error 18 from grub
[10:05] <Dent> JoshYme1: i had a similar issue ,is it an Asus A8N or A8V board?
[10:05] <JoshYme1> i think so yes.
[10:06] <Dent> well, the answer is kinda sad
[10:06] <Dent> the installer buggers up
[10:06] <Dent> you have to go in manually :(
[10:06] <Dent> using lilo, edit /etc/lilo.conf, check it, double check it, and run lilo -v
[10:06] <Dent> to get that far, throw the install cd back in the cdrom, and on the prompt enter: linux noinitrd root=/dev/<rootdisk>
[10:07] <IcemanV9> this afternoon, i finally took my laptop (hp ze5185) apart to clean fans to resolve the "overheating" problem (hopefully!!)
[10:07] <IcemanV9> so far it looks good - Thermal 1: ok, 58.0 degrees C
[10:07] <Jug> does via unichrome graphics cards support overlay?
[10:07] <IIIEars> Does nautilus misplace dvd iso's?
[10:08] <nalioth> IcemanV9: did you discover the secret micro$oft rodents powering the thing?
[10:08] <IcemanV9> nalioth: yeah. how did you know???!! :P
[10:08] <nalioth> IcemanV9: lucky guess
[10:08] <IcemanV9> heheh :)
[10:09] <vanberge> i want a laptop
[10:09] <vanberge> lol
[10:09] <JoshYme1> hmm i tried hd0 and h1 i only have 1 drive
[10:10] <megabit> Can you help me with acpi?? PLEASE.
[10:10] <Madeye> anyone into forex trade?
[10:10] <IIIEars> There -is- a dvd on my desk but where? (sherlock holmes magnifying glass appears from pocket.)
[10:10] <delire> vanberge http://agearnotebooks.com see the asus range ;)
[10:11] <nalioth> vanberge: iBooks? i would say so
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[10:11] <delire> vanberge: i own one, my gf own another. all works except sleep modes just yet
[10:11] <vanberge> i dont like sleep modes anyway
[10:11] <nalioth> delire: vanberge and if you desire sleep above all other considerations, it works in yellowdog linux
[10:12] <JoshYme1> Dent: any idea's?
[10:12] <ismailtaha> hi
[10:12] <delire> nalioth: i was talking about the Asus machines, not Apple machines.
[10:12] <toxicfume> delire: you there?
[10:12] <IcemanV9> wonders if i could replace the keyboard with ThinkPad keyboard. I cannot live with the red dot!! hates the touchpad!
[10:12] <nalioth> delire: they should be linux compat
[10:12] <AndyR> has anyone here used gaim-vv on hoary?
[10:12] <delire> nalioth: it's my fourth linux laptop and is very good
[10:12] <nalioth> IcemanV9: just get the gripper/nippers and pull it right out
[10:13] <tanek> AndyR: never successfully
[10:13] <ompaul> IcemanV9: can you use a standard keyboard and plug it in and pretend that it is a real desktop?
[10:13] <nalioth> AndyR: waht is gaim-vv?
[10:13] <AndyR> tanek, :( thanks for answering anyway
[10:13] <IcemanV9> ompaul: not when i am traveling - bad idea
[10:13] <IIIEars> delire - Best place to buy a linux compatible laptop? Best Brand to buy?
[10:14] <AndyR> nalioth, a friendly fork of gaim that does video too
[10:14] <delire> IIIEars: the thinkpads are the best laptops out there. and most Linux compatible i think.
[10:14] <IIIEars> Sounds like a thinkpad then. :)
[10:15] <toxicfume> delire: got my msg?
[10:15] <geetergod> how do i check to see what sound i have on my computer? like 5.1 er whatever?
[10:15] <geetergod> and if 3 of my speakers dont work does that mean i dont have5.1? cause thats what the speakers need
[10:15] <IcemanV9> ThinkPad will be my next laptop when i have money (dang)
[10:15] <geetergod> but the 2 work and the sub works
[10:15] <vanberge> geetergod, do you have a 5.1 soundcard?
[10:15] <delire> IIIEars:           a real desktop?
[10:16] <delire> IIIEars: sorry, my copy buffer broke.
[10:16] <geetergod> I dont know, thats what i wanted to check
[10:16] <nalioth> AndyR: ah ty
[10:16] <IIIEars> size isn't important
[10:16] <delire> IIIEars: this is a lovely machine however: http://store.agearnotebooks.com/asuss5nphoto.html
[10:16] <nalioth> IIIEars: pre APX iBook
[10:16] <nalioth> IIIEars: works great
[10:16] <JStrike> geetergod : Check in totem properties. It should say
[10:17] <vanberge> geetergod, system > administration > device manager
[10:17] <delire> IIIEars: the next one down from mine, but an extra hour of battery life. it's basically hte iBook that Asus make without the Apple badge and a PPC arch
[10:17] <delire> s/hte/the
[10:17] <tanek> AndyR: np, and actually, i got it working once, from a precompiled .rpm, but without voice or video support (=just like regular gaim but without plugins:()
[10:17] <bigfoot> how can i change my screen's bit setting? I mean, let's say, to change from 24-bit to 16-bit depth resolution. Thank you!
[10:18] <Twitch> i just got an error while compiling saying it was unable to find X
[10:18] <geetergod> hold on, im on Fluxbox, let me get on gnome
[10:18] <delire> bigfoot: see the section "Default Bit Depth" in /etc/X11/xorg.cong
[10:18] <delire> *conf
[10:18] <signius> Thats a seriously nice looking laptop
[10:18] <delire> s/section/line
[10:18] <bigfoot> delire, i see. It's not possible to change bit depth in some sort of gui program?
[10:18] <thoreauputic> Twitch: you probably need xlibs-dev
[10:19] <Twitch> thoreauputic, aight cool
[10:19] <delire> signius: truly. all the new Asus range are lovely. my m6n is carbon fibre, is super light and has 4.5hrs of battery life.
[10:19] <Twitch> thoreauputic, can i just get taht through sudo synaptic
[10:19] <delire> signius: carbon fibre chassis that is.
[10:19] <thoreauputic> Twitch: sudo apt-get install xlibs-dev
[10:19] <ompaul> thoreauputic - that is a 3 hour and 10 minute install - bad CDs ohh well
[10:20] <delire> bigfoot: i'm not sure. some distributions do have a GUI for manipulating X settings such as this.
[10:20] <sTb> blub
[10:20] <thoreauputic> ompaul: ?
[10:20] <delire> bigfoot: i don't use gnome sadly and my ubuntu machine is at work.
[10:20] <geetergod> ok, im on gnome now
[10:20] <thoreauputic> Twitch: what are you compiling and why?
[10:20] <nalioth> delire: i hate those godawful nonstandard firewire ports
[10:20] <geetergod> where in device manager would it say?
[10:20] <delire> nalioth: right
[10:21] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, is there a way to change the screen's bit depth setting in GUI mode, and not by directly editing  /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[10:21] <Twitch> thoreauputic, it's a mud client, a game, and I'm doing it mainly cuz i'm bored and I wanted to mess with linux a little
[10:21] <delire> nalioth: i haven't experienced problems yet.
[10:21] <vanberge> wow... apt / synaptic is so much nicer than rpm
[10:21] <thoreauputic> Twitch: I see
[10:21] <signius> shame it hasnt got the ppc though
[10:21] <nalioth> delire: well i've never had anything that used the puny fw plugs (thankfully)
[10:21] <inc595> vanberge, yes they are
[10:21] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I don't know
[10:21] <picochu> guys is gmail down. I kept getting error messages from gmail.
[10:21] <Twitch> thoreauputic, It's not hard to tell I'm new to linux I just had spare parts and made a second box
[10:21] <signius> althought i read this morning apple are moving to intel chips
[10:21] <nalioth> delire: and i don't really want to go out and buy and adaptor
[10:21] <inc595> rpms or da devil
[10:21] <inc595> are^
[10:22] <nalioth> signius: yes you read correctly, but the speculation is still open as to HOW
[10:22] <delire> signius: probably Intel based PPC's, not x86
[10:22] <nalioth> inc595: rpms are satanspawned, yes
[10:22] <geetergod> where in device manager would it say if i have a 5.1 card?
[10:22] <signius> will be interested to see how the mac zelouts boast about that after they claimed for so many years ppc is the best and intel is garbage
[10:22] <thoreauputic> Twitch: if you're new to Linux, compiling is jmping in at the deep end ;)
[10:22] <delire> signius: they are very upset today ;)
[10:22] <nalioth> delire: now that would be a switch nobody saw comin
[10:22] <IcemanV9> signius: yeah. it'll be interesting year to watch Apple with intel chips
[10:22] <signius> have intel got any experience with PPC
[10:22] <delire> nalioth: hehe yes
[10:22] <picochu> signius: Power5 chips are really awesome
[10:22] <nalioth> delire: intel manf'd PPCs
[10:22] <signius> is PPC not licenced under IBM & Motorolla
[10:23] <delire> nalioth: well Apple have licensed a large portion of the arch spec from IBM.
[10:23] <signius> hmm i cant see IBM taking this laying down
[10:23] <nalioth> saw a article a couple weeks ago said apple might pair a itanium with a 970fx (for dual proc goodness)
[10:23] <Shido6> yes apple has a lot of experience with intel
[10:23] <picochu> interms of design, power5 chips make opterons and xeons look like cheapskates
[10:23] <Shido6> look at pearpc
[10:23] <signius> IBM have invested heavily in PPC
[10:23] <Shido6> look at rhapsody
[10:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> what is power5?
[10:23] <delire> signius: IBM doesn't need Apple. they have the console market, many times bigger. Appe is simply tiny
[10:23] <nalioth> signius: IBM is minting money for sony ps3, xbox2 and the new thing from nintendo
[10:23] <signius> and the new IBM openserver series is awsome
[10:24] <delire> s/Appe/Apple
[10:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> ps3 sounds like it will kill xbox2
[10:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> and it supports bluray..yayyyy
[10:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> screw hddvd
[10:24] <vanberge> BROKEN_LADDER, only if they step up online play
[10:24] <delire> even m$ is using IBM's PPC arch in their console
[10:24] <sTb> bigfoot, are you on quakenet too?
[10:24] <nalioth> BROKEN_LADDER: ps3 will kill everythinh
[10:24] <delire> nova: but that's *good* news ;)
[10:24] <bigfoot> sTb, no, i'm not on quakenet. why? does my nickname sound familiar?
[10:24] <geetergod> where in device manager would it say if i have a 5.1 card?
[10:24] <sTb> yes very much :P
[10:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone else having problems with gmail?
[10:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> online play is a gimmick.
[10:25] <vanberge> geetergod, look for your 'audio device'  what type is it.
[10:25] <Twitch> thoreauputic,  yeah I'm going to stop after this little comilation lol
[10:25] <vanberge> it should give some details as to the model
[10:25] <nalioth> BROKEN_LADDER: power5 is IBMs flagship big iron proc. multicored, SMP capable badness
[10:25] <sTb> BROKEN_LADDER,  not anymore
[10:25] <picochu> BROKEN_LADDER i think gmail is fubared
[10:25] <stjepan> hi
[10:25] <signius> have you checked out the IBM openserver series
[10:25] <stjepan> guys
[10:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> picochu yeah...ack.. i need to get into my account right now.
[10:25] <vanberge> geetergod, easier yet:  do you have available plug in ports for all 5 of your speakers??
[10:25] <signius> they have some serious serious technology in the higher spec machines
[10:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> So IBM is making chips that rival Intel and Motorola?
[10:26] <picochu> BROKEN_LADDER: I do pray that i still have my mails when it recovers
[10:26] <geetergod> they all plug in to the back of the sub
[10:26] <stjepan> what is the minimum free space for full installation of Ubuntu?
[10:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> Motorola makes PPC right?
[10:26] <geetergod> but 3 speakers arent working
[10:26] <geetergod> 2 speakers and the sub work
[10:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> picochu oh i'm sure you will.
[10:26] <nalioth> BROKEN_LADDER: the apple G5 is a dain-bramaged single cored version of the Power5
[10:26] <signius> motorolla used to make PPC i am not sure if they still do
[10:26] <thoreauputic> stjepan: around 2 Gig
[10:26] <stjepan> only 2 GB?
[10:26] <thoreauputic> stjepan: but that's a tight fit
[10:26] <stjepan> great
[10:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> stjepan but you could remove countles unneeded apps and have it much much smaller.
[10:26] <nalioth> a motorola spinoff now makes G4 procs. IBM makes the G5s
[10:26] <stjepan> what?
[10:26] <signius> the new openserver series support hotswap CPUs like what the SUNS do
[10:26] <stjepan> It is "lite"?
[10:26] <stjepan> or full?
[10:27] <geetergod> vanberge, should that tell me i dont?
[10:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> stjepan huh?
[10:27] <signius> sun were the only people i know who supported hotswap cpus with the ultrasparc chips previously
[10:27] <delire> IBM is a competitor to Apple on the server side. secondly there's every reason to suggest IBM is going to start developing Linux for Cell at the political exclusion of other desktop OS manufacturers.
[10:27] <stjepan> you say tight fit
[10:27] <signius> though i may be mistaken
[10:27] <disasm> wow, i'm impressed! I had heard of ubuntu before but never ventured to try it. I put debian on my new lc2464 laptop after i got tired of fc3 (what came on it) and it kept locking up when I started X (I think it had something to do with Xfree86 or something) anyways, I finally downloaded an ubuntu iso and tried it, and I got everything setup in less than 12 hours!!!
[10:27] <picochu> signius but sun chips are dead slow... you don't call them slowlaris for nothing
[10:27] <thoreauputic> stjepan: a standard install is around 1.8G I think
[10:27] <nalioth> delire: yes, i get wood thinking of the linux kit for ps3
[10:27] <delire> disasm: congrats!
[10:27] <vanberge> geetergod, did you find the soundcard model in your device manager?
[10:28] <delire> nalioth: i'm planning to check it out also.
[10:28] <geetergod> no
[10:28] <IIIEars> !ubunturocks
[10:28] <ubotu> IIIEars: No idea
[10:28] <signius> it depends on what solaris is doing solaris has capailities far exceding other os's and architectures even now
[10:28] <nalioth> delire: if that Cell Technology is what it's supposed to be.. .. .. (imagine a cluster of ps3s?)
[10:28] <IIIEars> !awards
[10:28] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, awards is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubunturocks
[10:28] <disasm> the only annoyance was the forcing of gnome cups configure thingy, but I found a workaround googling for a few mins to re-enable the web interface, and wrote a quick iptables script to block all access on 631 not coming from localhost
[10:28] <signius> you cannot clock speeds of sparc with intel or amd
[10:29] <ivoks> disasm: wrong way
[10:29] <Twitch> thoreauputic, says it can't find libjpeg and apt-get doesn't have the package =(
[10:29] <signius> i think what cost sun is the high cost of the hardware
[10:29] <picochu> signius slowlaris is dying... last year sunw shipped more x86 server than ultrasparcs
[10:29] <ivoks> disasm: you should've just coment Auth lines in the end of /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
[10:29] <signius> yeah they are dumping the sparc chip
[10:29] <trixsey> Anyone here?
[10:29] <signius> not sure when but its end of life now
[10:29] <thoreauputic> Twitch: erm  apt-cache search libjpeg
[10:29] <signius> shame its an awesome chip
[10:29] <vanberge> geetergod, look in your device manager for 'sound' or 'audio'
[10:30] <geetergod> ST340014A?
[10:30] <synd> !synd
[10:30] <ubotu> well, synd is a badass
[10:30] <picochu> signius anyway sun don't fab sparcs, fujitstu does
[10:30] <geetergod> i can see Volume
[10:30] <trixsey> Anyone know any good DC++ client for Linux?
[10:30] <synd> 8D
[10:30] <vanberge> thanks trixsey
[10:30] <trixsey> Hello vanberge :o)
[10:30] <signius> you put BSD on an old ultra sparc and run apache or something on it and speed test it againt some fairly modern intel or amd chips
[10:30] <thoreauputic> Twitch: libjpeg62-dev - Development files for the IJG JPEG library << that's only one line o the output
[10:30] <disasm> ivoks: i'll do that, i like that better than the solution of having it run as user root
[10:30] <signius> it wont be a million miles behind
[10:31] <geetergod> under sound controller maybe?
[10:31] <ivoks> disasm: ;)
[10:31] <nalioth> trixsey: dcgui?
[10:31] <vanberge> geetergod, it should say something like that, yets
[10:31] <Twitch> thoreauputic,  that's the one I got
[10:31] <vanberge> yets = yes
[10:31] <signius> but all this apple sparc talk isnt helping me to get my gps unit working
[10:31] <geetergod> under device it just says Sound Controller
[10:31] <signius> im completely lost as to what to do now
[10:32] <geetergod> Vendor says Silicon Integrated Systems
[10:32] <signius> i dont have a frigging what its connected to
[10:32] <vanberge> geetergod, there is no 'model' in there anywhere?
[10:32] <iceman> I think i'll try a build around a Dos based Distro...
[10:32] <signius> i think i have the correct modules installed but i am stuck as to what to do now
[10:32] <thoreauputic> Twitch: apt-cache search is your friend
[10:32] <geetergod> no
[10:32] <Twitch> thoreauputic, haha thanks
[10:32] <picochu> finally gmail is back online again
[10:33] <signius> is anyone familar with gps units on a usb to serial adaptor
[10:33] <Twitch> thoreauputic, I appreciate the help
[10:33] <picochu> yikes... signius ii've got a blue tooth one.
[10:33] <thoreauputic> :)
[10:33] <disasm> ivoks: thanks, that did the trick
[10:33] <signius> lol
[10:34] <vanberge> geetergod, do you have a computer built by a company? or did you build it yourself
[10:34] <signius> i cant frigging bluetooth to work proper under windows half the time and they got the proper drivers allegedly
[10:34] <disasm> signius: yeah, i've used my garmin with gpsman, it just worked when i tried it
[10:34] <geetergod> built by a friend
[10:34] <picochu> signius who says anything about windows?
[10:34] <signius> i got a usb belkin bluetooth adapter and its crap
[10:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> i need to find a new apartment.  rent in san francisco blows!!
[10:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't find a decent studio or 1br for under 1000$
[10:34] <picochu> signius condolences
[10:34] <geetergod> she doesnt remember what she put in it but she could check, she works at a puter store but i dont wanna runn all the way back down heh
[10:34] <vanberge> geetergod, did you ever have windows ?
[10:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> we all had windows..let's face it.
[10:35] <vanberge> on that computer
[10:35] <picochu> BROKEN_LADDER: no kidding... but SF is a nice place.
[10:35] <signius> disasm how you got it connected
[10:35] <geetergod> yes
[10:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's way nice.
[10:35] <nalioth> BROKEN_LADDER: i'm homeless
[10:35] <vanberge> geetergod, did you have 5.1 in windows ?
[10:35] <geetergod> I dont remember :(
[10:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's just sad that right now i have a pretty sweet place for 1400 split two ways, 8 blocks from Robin Williams's house..
[10:35] <picochu> BROKEN_LADDER: the only problem is the chinese food there are pretty bad :P
[10:35] <disasm> well, the first step is make sure the usb serial module is loaded, and then just point gpsman to the tty device
[10:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> picochu i don't like chinese.  i like indian, thai, burmese.
[10:35] <signius> i think i have it loaded
[10:35] <geetergod> the speakers have an orange plug that isnt plugged into anything
[10:35] <signius> its listed when i do lsmod
[10:36] <geetergod> but it does nothing when i plug it in
[10:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> picochu burma superstar has the best burmese anywhere.
[10:36] <signius> but this is as far as i have got and i am stuck now
[10:36] <signius> in need of some assistance
[10:36] <geetergod> my center and 2 outside/surround speakers dont work
[10:36] <signius> still pretty much a linux noob
[10:36] <picochu> CA is a nice place, if only the rent isn't that high
[10:36] <delire> nova: does the pacakge name have 'fglrx' in it? how many 'fglrx' packages are installed?
[10:36] <disasm> signius: looks like maybe belkin_sa maybe
[10:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> could greetergod's issue have something to do with needing a mixer specific to his card?  i needed envy24control to use mine.
[10:36] <Twitch> thoreauputic,  =( I now get a QT error
[10:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> picochu yup...the rent sucks.
[10:37] <JDahl> picochu, we could use some clean air, though
[10:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> GMAIL IS BACK UP !!!!!!!!!!
[10:37] <signius> lsusb lists the pl2303 usb-serial adaptor but doesnt list the garmin gps unit
[10:37] <signius> i have both usbserial and pl2303 listed in lsmod
[10:37] <picochu> JDahl the are isn't that bad... at least from San Jose to SF... can say the same for LA tho
[10:38] <signius> forget about te belkin things thats my bluetooth adapter
[10:38] <signius> the usb-serial is a pl2303
[10:38] <thoreauputic> Twitch: *cough* apt-cache search libqt | grep dev
[10:38] <Twitch> thoreauputic, nvm got it
[10:38] <JDahl> picochu, I am in LA and the smog and number of cars can be unbearable at times
[10:38] <signius> what command should i use to find the garmin gps
[10:38] <picochu> JDahl i love the smell of fresh pine when i drove along al camino real in the morning
[10:39] <signius> i have tried tail /dev/ttyUSB0 and nothing appears
[10:39] <disasm> signius: hmmm, i haven't used usb-serial with udev yet i wonder what device name it uses... let me see if i can find my garmin adapter and usb->serial apapter
[10:39] <signius> thanks you
[10:39] <signius> ill be in a couple of mins i just need to crap a drink
[10:39] <signius> crap = grap
[10:39] <signius> grab even
[10:39] <_Church_of_Foamy> i was gonna say
[10:39] <picochu> JDahl yeah LA 's pretty bad... especially the james
[10:40] <_Church_of_Foamy> EWWWWW
[10:40] <picochu> i mean jams
[10:40] <thoreauputic> *g*
[10:40] <_Church_of_Foamy> lol
[10:40] <picochu> JDahl: then again the jam at 101 early in the moring during those dot com days were just as bad
[10:40] <picochu> signius did u install ispell?
[10:41] <_Church_of_Foamy> lol
[10:41] <geetergod> Since only my 2 sides and sub work and center and surrounds dont work does that mean i dont have a 5.1 card?
[10:41] <signius> i do have my moments
[10:41] <geetergod> its a 5.1 speaker system
[10:41] <signius> i can talk proper typobollox on some days
[10:42] <delire> signius: crapping a drink sounds like a bad, and sorry end to a long night.
[10:42] <picochu> geetergod i can only managed to mirror my  left and right speakers for my 5.1 is it possible to have true 5.1 for my audigy 2?
[10:42] <signius> i agree sounds like a real bad idea
[10:42] <signius> LOL
[10:42] <geetergod> no idea
[10:43] <fraggsta> ok, I'm having trouble with linux-restricted-modules that I didn't really expect
[10:43] <delire> ;)
[10:43] <fraggsta> I install linux-k7 and linux-restricted-modules
[10:43] <geetergod> i just want all my speakers to work but i think i need a 5.1 card, but would a 5.1 system work 3 speakers without the right card?
[10:44] <fraggsta> upon restart, I get Xorg startup errors of:  Symbol __glXgetActiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved!
[10:44] <fraggsta> Symbol __glXgetActiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved!
[10:44] <signius> disasm: how the lead coming along ?
[10:45] <delire> fraggsta: are you using DRI?
[10:45] <Twitch> thoreauputic, I'm getting a QT configure error
[10:45] <Twitch> thoreauputic,  something about he headers and libraries not being found
[10:46] <thoreauputic> Twitch: so you said, and I answered thoreauputic Twitch: *cough* apt-cache search libqt | grep dev
[10:46] <Twitch> thoreauputic, I went through all that
[10:46] <Twitch> thoreauputic, I got the packages
[10:46] <delire> Twitch: you may need to export the path. like so export QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt3 or similar
[10:46] <Breenie> hi, I've just installed Ubuntu 5.04, my first linux installation ever. It won't start though, it just hangs on the "hotplug"-part of the startup sequence. Can anyone help me?
[10:46] <fraggsta> delire: no
[10:47] <delire> fraggsta: what graphics card?
[10:47] <Twitch> life is so difficult
[10:47] <vanberge> what is the best gui cd burning tool?  i usually just use cdrecord
[10:47] <Twitch> for me at least
[10:47] <ompaul> Breenie, I have just done yet another install :) so fresh in my mind is the idea that you might do the following
[10:47] <Boopop> Hello all
[10:47] <picochu> vanberge cdrecord is sooo passe i use growisofs
[10:47] <delire> Twitch: you're compiling software. you should see what windows users go through
[10:47] <vanberge> picochu, i think i want a gui one
[10:47] <thoreauputic> Twitch: it got better for the rest of us when you changed your nick ;)
[10:47] <delire> vanberge: k3b
[10:47] <picochu> vanberge : k3b?
[10:48] <Twitch> Delire: I use windows as well
[10:48] <fraggsta> delire: GF4 MX440
[10:48] <Breenie> ompaul, I appreciate all ideas (the one thing I tried is to disconnect all USB/Firewire cables)
[10:48] <Twitch> Delire: this is my second box
[10:48] <Twitch> thoreauputic,  lol anytime
[10:48] <Boopop> can someone help me with restoring GRUB using the Ubuntu Hoary Hedgehog Installation Disc?
[10:48] <delire> fraggsta: are you using the proprietary nvidia drivers?
[10:48] <penguinparty> where is the post bin website?
[10:48] <picochu> Twitch: burn in hell heathens! ;P
[10:48] <disasm> signius: found everything but the gps...
[10:48] <delire> Twitch: do you compile software in windows regularly?
[10:48] <fraggsta> delire: yes, that's why I need linux-restricted-modules
[10:48] <Twitch> delire: only thing i compile are my simple c++ projects
[10:48] <Boopop> Anybody?
[10:49] <ompaul> Breenie, what you might try is to install the 'server' version do it all automatic, after that you log in and run the following command `apt-get install ubuntu-desktop` (I hope you have broadband)
[10:49] <delire> Twitch: is this the first time you've compiled software in linux?
[10:49] <vanberge> i have apt-got k3b
[10:49] <Twitch> delire: yes, yes it is
[10:49] <signius> ah
[10:49] <penguinparty> anyone know where the post bin website is? to post so I dont FLOOD?
[10:49] <delire> Twitch: what are you compiling?
[10:49] <signius> what do you suggest then
[10:49] <Twitch> delire: kmuddy, mud client
[10:49] <_Church_of_Foamy> www.pastebin.com
[10:49] <IIIEars> !pastebin
[10:49] <ubotu> I guess pastebin is http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.com or #flood
[10:49] <thoreauputic> penguinparty: pastebin.com will do
[10:49] <Boopop> Help please! :)
[10:50] <penguinparty> thanks!
[10:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> why does firefox not stop this site from opening a pop-up window?! http://www.kodakgallery.com/BrowsePhotos.jsp?showSlide=true&Uc=6n4b0jjd.3ys91rzd&Uy=y0g05&Ux=1
[10:50] <delire> Twitch: ok. in the tarball (the archive you unpacked) is there an INSTALL file?
[10:50] <ompaul> Boopop, tell us what your problem is
[10:50] <Boopop> can someone help me with restoring GRUB using the Ubuntu Hoary Hedgehog Installation Disc?
[10:50] <Boopop> there we go
[10:50] <signius> disasm: how is yoru gps connected ?
[10:50] <Breenie> ompaul, thanks for the tip. I'll try that. one thing though, do I download a server version, or is it included in the installation CD already (forgot the options I chose from, hehe)?
[10:50] <ompaul> Breenie, it is on the CD that is what I had to do today :(
[10:50] <Twitch> delire: no
[10:51] <disasm> serial adaptor
[10:51] <delire> Twitch: ok try './configure --help | grep QT'
[10:51] <Breenie> great, thanks for your help. I'll try it out!! appreciated
[10:51] <thoreauputic> BROKEN_LADDER: it blocks the popup here
[10:51] <delire> Twitch: that may give you options for specifying your qt libraries directory
[10:51] <signius> my laptop hasnt got a serial por t
[10:51] <ompaul> Boopop, you would be better off with a live CD if you have one (more functionality)
[10:51] <johan_> is there a sound control in ubuntu
[10:51] <penguinparty> pastebin.com . . . Is it down?
[10:51] <Twitch> delire: I think I'll just wait till my friend who is familiar with Linux comes over tonight
[10:52] <Twitch> delire: Linux < Twitch
[10:52] <Twitch> delire: Linux > Twitch
[10:52] <thoreauputic> johan_: of course
[10:52] <ompaul> Boopop, the functionality is not the same for the install disk as a running system
[10:52] <johan_> i think the sound is set very low
[10:52] <johan_> what is it
[10:53] <thoreauputic> johan_: either the gnome volume control, or run alsamixer in a terminal
[10:53] <vanberge> k3b is for kde!!!
[10:53] <Shiggity> #Ubuntu: Thanks for making such an awesome distro guys. Everyone that looks at it is impressed.
[10:53] <vanberge> shoot!!
[10:53] <johan_> thanks
[10:53] <vanberge> i use gnome!!
[10:53] <__c4__> has anyone played with capturing digital video streams through a firewire/1394 port?
[10:53] <delire> Twitch: alright. your problem is the configure script is looking for quicktime but can't find it. it's probabably in /usr/share/qt3 in your machine. two ways of specifying this are by 'exporting the path' (which is like broadcasting it for your current session) or specifying the path to qt3 header et al from configure. another way is using ldd
[10:53] <IcemanV9> Boopop: you might want to check this out - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[10:54] <delire> vanberge: you can still run it. doesn't 'nautilus' burn audio cd's?
[10:54] <signius> disasm: Have you given up ?
[10:54] <thoreauputic> delire: not audio, no
[10:54] <delire> oh..
[10:54] <thoreauputic> gnomebaker does
[10:55] <disasm> no, i'm still looking for the gps
[10:55] <delire> KDE has a more robust multimedia suite, by a long shot.
[10:55] <thoreauputic> vanberge: for audio CDs try gnomebaker
[10:55] <delire> albeit i use neither gnome nor KDE
[10:55] <signius> disasm: ok thank you
[10:55] <vanberge> delire, im sure i can run it... but downloading it required dowloading of KDE
[10:55] <vanberge> i would rather not have done that
[10:55] <signius> i been at this for hours now and i am getting nowhere
[10:55] <fraggsta> delire: XFCE, or fluxbox then? :)
[10:56] <thoreauputic> vanberge: there's no reason not to install k3b on gnome though - unless you dislike the look
[10:56] <nalioth> vanberge: audio cd? i use k3b
[10:56] <delire> fraggsta no, i run http://wmi.modprobe.de
[10:56] <nalioth> vanberge: audio cd? i use k3b in gnome
[10:56] <johan_> whats the cmd to run gnome sound
[10:56] <delire> fraggsta: my window manager is called 'wmii'
[10:57] <thoreauputic> johan_: what are you trying to do?
[10:57] <delire> fraggsta on my work machine and student machines i run KDE
[10:57] <saibear> hey has any one used Unbutu with an HP laptop in here
[10:57] <glill32> hello, I'm a 62 year old retired police dispatcher from alabama, and my grandson told me about your ubuntu system so I got it loaded up on my computer. I did it all myself, just about, now I just can't get my screens set up quite right. My grandson said there was some community on this chat that could help me get it fixed up.
[10:57] <nalioth> welcome disquiet
[10:57] <disquiet> hey, nalioth
[10:57] <disquiet> are you the one who gave me that really simple link yesterday?
[10:58] <nalioth> glill32: what are the symptoms?
[10:58] <thoreauputic> glill32: you've been here before :)
[10:58] <johan_> i'd like a sound controller to put in the slit upon boot
[10:58] <disquiet> ooh never mind, I found it
[10:58] <nalioth> disquiet: what simple link was that?
[10:58] <glill32> But this time I am using Gaim.
[10:58] <johan_> so i thought gnome thingy or kmix would do
[10:58] <glill32> this is the same place, okay. should I re-explain my problem?
[10:59] <johan_> but i dont know name of the gnome sound thing
[10:59] <fraggsta> delire: heh, I haven't heard of it, I'll have to look at it once I get X running again
[10:59] <thoreauputic> glill32: you had 2 monitors, didn't you? Different kinds, you wanted xinerama or something/
[10:59] <thoreauputic> ?
[10:59] <IIIEars> glill32 - Welcome! - sorry to hear all didn't go smoothly. - you can try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or follow the link ubotu will give you
[10:59] <glill32> well yes, and here's the thing...
[10:59] <CrustyPunk> Um... is there a way to repair my Ubuntu install using the CD? More specifically, the xserver?
[10:59] <saibear> I have tryed everything i can think of my sound works but not with mp3s any help ?
[10:59] <delire> fraggsta: worth a look.. great to use.
[11:00] <IIIEars> !display
[11:00] <ubotu> IIIEars: I give up, what is it?
[11:00] <IIIEars> !xorg
[11:00] <johan_> thoreauputic whats the name of the gnome audio controller you told me about
[11:00] <glill32> the system seems to act like I have another monitor... except that the other monitor now shows up all fuzzy and distorted, and when I move the mouse over there it's just a big square.
[11:00] <wdh> saibear, search the wiki for 'restricted formats'
[11:00] <saibear> ok
[11:01] <thoreauputic> johan_: not sure of the command, but the applet is right there on the top panel
[11:01] <IIIEars> Display http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto lol - that poor bot thinks he is Einstein - needs meds. - grin
[11:01] <thoreauputic> johan_: try a right click on the speaker symbol
[11:01] <johan_> i dont have gnome
[11:01] <delire> fraggsta: try 'sudo modprobe nvidia'
[11:01] <johan_> but thanks
[11:01] <disasm> signius: found it
[11:01] <signius> :-)
[11:02] <signius> disasm: thats the best news i had all day
[11:02] <thoreauputic> johan_: erm - then why are you asking for the gnome control? Use alsamixer then
[11:02] <delire> fraggsta: i would say your /etc/X11/xorg.conf still has references for the old driver 'nv'
[11:02] <darkaudit> will Hoary get the new nvidia drivers?
[11:02] <glill32> see, I tried to manually rewrite the xorg.conf file for myself, and I must have broken it up somewhere in there.
[11:02] <fraggsta> delire: I've just manually installed the nvidia driver from the bin, seems to work..also for some reason it decided to give my secondary ATi a PCI device ID which was wrong :/
[11:02] <signius> disasm: is it complicated ?
[11:02] <disasm> signius: i'm 21, live in my own house, and run my own service repair business, this house doesn't get cleaned very often ;-)
[11:02] <delire> fraggsta: ok.. can happen
[11:03] <wdh> glill32, move it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old for example and start 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[11:03] <signius> ok
[11:03] <johan_> as i told you i'd like it to go in the slit so obviously alsa would not do, maybe i'll try with kmix
[11:03] <wdh> glill32, and try inserting the right specifications for your monitor in that..
[11:03] <glill32> wdh: when I do that, it's going to put it back in "Clone" mode, isn't it?
[11:03] <glill32> and, how do I know the right specs for my monitor?
[11:03] <saibear> #efnet
[11:03] <signius> im 33 from the uk self employed also
[11:03] <fraggsta> delire: any idea of problems with the latest nvidia driver..for some reason X occasionally completely freezes other than mouse with it..I might have to go back to 6111 if it does it again
[11:03] <signius> though i do clean
[11:03] <wdh> glill32, user manual or manufacturers website
[11:04] <thoreauputic> johan_: I don't remember you mentioning the slit - look for windowmaker dock apps in that case
[11:04] <matthewrevell> hi guys
[11:04] <wdh> glill32, not sure what you mean with the 'clone mode'
[11:04] <signius> disasm: how did you find the GPS
[11:04] <thoreauputic> johan_: there's sure to be a volume control one
[11:04] <matthewrevell> Can anyone give me some idea why my iPod would suddenly be mounting as read-only
[11:05] <glill32> random question: Is the behaviour I'm experiencing the expected behavior of Ubuntu, or is this abnormal behavior, ie a bug?
[11:05] <delire> glill32: often on the back of the monitor you can find the refresh rates listed there. you can also safely try defaults using the reconfiguration method written above.
[11:05] <glill32> wdh: it displays the same thing on both screens, and puts both screens in 640x480. Maybe it's safe mode.
[11:05] <glill32> ok, I think I got it.
[11:06] <fraggsta> delire: hmm, is wmii by any chance like ratpoison?
[11:06] <signius> disasm: Are you there stil ?
[11:07] <wdh> glill32, there is physically one monitor in which two screens appear?
[11:07] <delire> glill32: as Linux distributions are made to run on so many different kinds of architectures and hardware (from very old to new) on the odd occassion things need a bit of tweaking to work. it's rarer these days, but still the case.
[11:07] <glill32> No, the same thing appears on both of them.
[11:07] <disasm> signius: its working
[11:07] <disasm> /dev/ttyUSB0 for me
[11:07] <signius> disasm: cool
[11:07] <wdh> glill32, physically one monitor? or two?
[11:07] <delire> wdh: clone mode simply allows you to have wht you see on your dekstop also appear on another monitor
[11:07] <glill32> Two physical monitors.
[11:07] <signius> thats what i tried
[11:07] <disasm> i just imported all my wp's to my new lappy (only prob is the lappy doesn't like long names...
[11:08] <signius> disasm: how did you get it working on that
[11:08] <wdh> ah.. ok
[11:08] <delire> wdh: he wants xinerama, which is an extension of one desktop across two monitors
[11:08] <wdh> missed that :)
[11:08] <glill32> I was told Ubuntu was something a novice should pretty much be able to pick up and use, this is why I feel kind of like a ditz now.
[11:08] <disasm> signius: i plugged in the usb->serial cable (hooked up to the serial garmin cable, which is hooked to the gps)
[11:08] <glill32> Okay, I am copying my old xorg.conf file to xorg.conf.old...
[11:08] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ATI module generator V 2.0
[11:08] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> [11:08] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> initializing...
[11:08] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete
[11:08] <signius> ok yeah thats the same as me
[11:08] <disasm> i then looked in /var/log/syslog, and saw that it assigned it the device /dev/ttyUSB0
[11:08] <wdh> glill32, well, for the quite common configurations it is.. xinerama however is less used and therefore less bug-free
[11:08] <delire> glill32: hehe hardly. you're actually trying something quite fiddly. it's perfectly possible to work it out though, just may need a bit of patience.
[11:09] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hmmm can someone help me with installing ati drivers ?
[11:09] <delire> glill32: you have one monitor working fine though do you?
[11:09] <IIIEars> !ati
[11:09] <disasm> signius: then i put that as the device params in gpsman, and set protocol to garmin
[11:09] <glill32> Yes.
[11:09] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> could it be the wrong headers for my kernel ?
[11:09] <signius> mine is using MNEA
[11:09] <glill32> And in clone mode, they both work fine.
[11:09] <wdh> Pop_pa_FrEaK, try the wiki
[11:09] <nova> well delire i dont think theres any getting rid of this mesa garbage or the xorg-driver-fglrx
[11:09] <truz24> If you get undefined reference errors for the uncompress or compress function, add -lz last on your link line and try again! - that lib is not on my box, what package is it in so i can install  it ?
[11:09] <signius> NMEA
[11:09] <glill32> I get clone mode by running the dpkgreconfigure.
[11:09] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> wdh thank you
[11:09] <spanglesontoast> can I ask why there is no xmms-wma package?
[11:10] <delire> nova: you can't purge it? what happens?
[11:10] <disasm> spanglesontoast: what would that do?
[11:10] <nova> same as when in kde
[11:10] <spanglesontoast> play wma
[11:10] <glill32> wdh, sorry what was the command you told me to run after moving my xorg.conf?
[11:10] <nova> cant over right etc
[11:10] <kbrooks> Can I install 5.04 OVER 4.10 DURING the 4.10 installation?
[11:10] <disasm> spanglesontoast: i think w32codecs is what you need
[11:10] <nova> those old xorg drivers just wont uninstall
[11:10] <delire> nova: dpkg -i --force-overwrite package
[11:10] <disasm> spanglesontoast: i know i can't apt-get it because there isn't a vs for amd64 yet, but I think that's what i used on my old laptop
[11:10] <wdh> glill32,
[11:11] <nova> will try
[11:11] <disasm> spanglesontoast: err win32codecs
[11:11] <wdh> glill32, 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[11:11] <signius> ok installing gpsman now
[11:11] <spanglesontoast> I have that installed
[11:11] <spanglesontoast> does it work with xmms?
[11:11] <delire> nova: dpkg -P --force-all package
[11:11] <kbrooks> Can I install 5.04 OVER 4.10 DURING the 4.10 installation?
[11:11] <delire> nova: this was the problem all along.
[11:11] <thoreauputic> glill32: you might want to read the warning at the top of the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file first
[11:12] <wdh> kbrooks, its quite useless :)
[11:12] <glill32> ok, should I have this auto-detect the hardware then?
[11:12] <disasm> spanglesontoast: i might have gotten that off of some other marilat though, this is my first time using ubuntu
[11:12] <spanglesontoast> what conversion programs are there?
[11:12] <thoreauputic> glill32: tells you what to do before rerunning that command
[11:12] <alka_trash> anyone tried the latest nvidia driver?
[11:12] <wdh> kbrooks, just dont do the securityupdates when asked for..
[11:12] <kbrooks> Anyone?
[11:12] <spanglesontoast> is there any that allow me to convert wma to ogg?
[11:12] <wdh> and after that do the update to hoary
[11:12] <kbrooks> wdh, ok
[11:12] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: mencoder perhaps
[11:13] <disasm> spanglesontoast: yeah, i have something on one of my computers which does anything to ogg, don't remember what it was though
[11:13] <nova> same error on force all -p one
[11:13] <glill32> Who should be my driver? yesterday i figured out that it should be fglrx, is that right?
[11:13] <jeroen_> anyone experience with imac, ubuntu and sound ??
[11:13] <nova> and again its the mesa garbage that wont go away
[11:13] <signius> okhow do i get the data in to this gpsman ?
[11:13] <jeroen_> i cant get it to work
[11:13] <delire> nova: ok install the fglrx debian pacakge you made with --force-overwrite
[11:13] <nova> yeh i just did it seems to have taken
[11:13] <thoreauputic> glill32: you have an ati card?
[11:13] <nova> gona try now
[11:13] <delire> nova: it's not going to work as long as you have the old glx on there.
[11:13] <glill32> Yes, a Radeon 9000
[11:13] <glill32> with two plugs
[11:14] <nova> then its never going to work
[11:14] <nova> because i cant get rid of the xorg
[11:14] <thoreauputic> !ati
[11:14] <spanglesontoast> yea how do I force it to do that?
[11:14] <spanglesontoast> I wanto use fglrx from ati's site
[11:14] <thoreauputic> rats the factoid is too long
[11:14] <nova> ive been fighting with it all day spanglesontoast
[11:14] <thoreauputic> glill32: try doing !ati for info on ati cards
[11:14] <signius> i set the protocol to NMEA and its on /dv/
[11:14] <signius> oops
[11:14] <spanglesontoast> really?
[11:14] <spanglesontoast> lol
[11:14] <glill32> !ati
[11:14] <signius> its on /dev/tty0
[11:15] <delire> nova: purge fglrx first, then purge the xorg
[11:15] <jeroen_> ubuntu nad souns on an imac ?? somebody knows more about this?
[11:15] <delire> nova: then reinstall the fglrx ok?
[11:15] <thoreauputic> glill32: you should see it in pm/msg
[11:15] <glill32> ok, I am going ahead with the flgrx then!!!!!
[11:15] <IIIEars> ! videodriverhowto
[11:15] <ubotu> IIIEars: No idea
[11:15] <wdh> glill32, have you seen http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XineramaHowTo ??
[11:15] <nova> k
[11:15] <glill32> Yes, wdh. It got me where I am now.
[11:15] <wdh> glill32, good luck then :)
[11:15] <delire> glill32: hehe nice one.
[11:15] <spanglesontoast> yea the only reason I want to use the fglrx from ati
[11:16] <spanglesontoast> is because it comes with a gui
[11:16] <IIIEars> !display
[11:16] <ubotu> I guess display is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto or ask !Resolution
[11:16] <delire> nova?
[11:16] <nova> trying
[11:16] <glill32> the best thing I can figure is that my resolution is wonky in the settings for my other video card.
[11:17] <thoreauputic> glill32: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto << if you haven't already
[11:17] <glill32> thoreauputic: I have. I figure now I'm using the flgrx drivers.
[11:17] <disasm> spanglesontoast: this converts to mp3, shouldn't be too hard to mod script for ogg
[11:17] <spanglesontoast> is there a way I can change the display driver on a keybind?
[11:17] <disasm> spanglesontoast: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/answers/352%5DConvert%20WMA
[11:17] <thoreauputic> glill32: OK :)
[11:17] <spanglesontoast> ty
[11:18] <glill32> I figure I got everything in there right except the resolution of my other screen. is there a way I could show you good kind folks my xorg.conf file to you could look at it?
[11:18] <disasm> signius: did you get your gps working?
[11:18] <thoreauputic> glill32: someone might look if you paste it on pastebin.com
[11:18] <synd> how come my screensaver playback is choppy as all hell?
[11:18] <delire> glill32: have you used 'pastebin'? it's a public 'paste' site.
[11:18] <spanglesontoast> disasm that is a script to auto convert a file
[11:19] <delire> glill32: pastebin is exactly for this purpose :)
[11:20] <disasm> spanglesontoast: i know, isn't that what you want? convert wma's to ogg format?
[11:20] <signius> no
[11:20] <signius> i got the protocol set
[11:20] <synd> anyone?
[11:20] <signius> and also the /dev/ttyS0
[11:20] <signius> but nothing
[11:20] <nova> gone finaly lol
[11:20] <nova> now what delire?
[11:20] <glill32> that site appears to be down. :(
[11:20] <disasm> signius: /dev/ttyUSB0 try that
[11:21] <delire> nova: hah great ;)
[11:21] <spanglesontoast> not everytime I run the player
[11:21] <synd> how come my screensaver playback is choppy as all hell?
[11:21] <nova> now just reinstall .deb?
[11:21] <thoreauputic> !pastebin
[11:21] <ubotu> pastebin is probably http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.com or #flood
[11:21] <delire> nova: yep. and recompile the driver
[11:21] <thoreauputic> glill32: try the other one
[11:21] <disasm> spanglesontoast: you run the script once, it takes all the wma's in the directory and converts to mp3's
[11:21] <delire> nova: in fact, just reinstall the fglrx deb and try an X restart
[11:21] <nova> k
[11:21] <nova> heres goes nothing (probably nothing as i no x hahah)
[11:22] <glill32> "connection refused"
[11:22] <signius> do i need to stop and start anything after making the changes ?
[11:22] <fraggsta> ok, someone riddle me this
[11:22] <delire> glill32: hmm
[11:22] <isai> hi
[11:22] <ompaul> wc /etc/fstab gives 19  112 1194 /etc/fstab
[11:22] <ompaul> and thats just too much information
[11:22] <thoreauputic> hmm... the ubuntu one is rfusing connections too
[11:22] <isai> how do I watch DVDs?
[11:23] <fraggsta> when I log into GNOME, some the icons for things like a hard drive partition on /dev/hdd that is mounted at boot and an NFS share that is also mounted at boot (both from the /etc/fstab) are not on the desktop until I do /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
[11:23] <fraggsta> why is this?
[11:23] <TobiasFar> configure doesn't find any c & cpp compiler. but i've installed them via synaptic.
[11:23] <thoreauputic> glill32: http://pastebin.ca/
[11:23] <thoreauputic> glill32: taht's up at least
[11:23] <thoreauputic> *that's
[11:24] <delire> pastebin is down for me here <-- denmark
[11:24] <nova> hmm
[11:24] <JDahl> TobiasFar, try to install build-essentials
[11:24] <nova> still same thing with the mesa trash
[11:24] <nova> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[11:24] <nova> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[11:24] <delire> nova: that's cool. *now* recompile that driver ok?
[11:24] <nova> infact its all the same
[11:24] <nova> yeh gona try
[11:24] <thoreauputic> delire: pastebin.ca seems to be up here
[11:24] <nova> made a shell script the first time around
[11:24] <delire> nova: from outside X. nice and clean and make sure you install it.
[11:24] <fraggsta> so, anyone got any ideas?  It's getting really annoying having to do "sudo /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart" every tiem I log into GNOME
[11:25] <nova> k
[11:25] <delire> nova: so cd build_mod && sh make.sh && cd .. sh make_install.sh
[11:25] <delire> nova: you get the drift
[11:25] <nova> yep
[11:25] <mrchicago> hello
[11:25] <delire> nova: if that doesn't work. shoot the screen
[11:25] <nova> infact ill make a new shell script
[11:25] <mrchicago> im having probs with the torrent
[11:25] <delire> nova: wise
[11:25] <mrchicago> im trying to dl ubuntu
[11:25] <thoreauputic> mrchicago: /topic
[11:25] <mrchicago> and all im getting is connection refused
[11:26] <delire> nova: make sure you modprobe fglrx afterwards too
[11:26] <signius> there must be a way to know for sure what the GPS is connected to for sure
[11:26] <thoreauputic> mrchicago: ^^^
[11:26] <mrchicago> ok
[11:26] <mrchicago> :)
[11:26] <delire> nova: out with the old, in with the new. rmmod the old fglrx first, and then modprobe the new fglrx
[11:26] <mrchicago> that isnt cool
[11:27] <mrchicago> heh
[11:27] <IIIEars> mrchicago a torrent D/L is a bit slower but works every time. - spreads bandwidth too.
[11:27] <mrchicago> im about 80 percent into it
[11:27] <disasm> signius: run your favorite terminal type sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog unplug usb plugin usb
[11:27] <Kartagis> hi. I have a problem telnetting in my eggdrop. I know this sounds like an eggdrop problem but it is a telnet problem.
[11:27] <Kartagis> can you help me with it? it always freezes at Trying 192.168.1.2... / Connected to 192.168.1.2. / Escape character is
[11:27] <Kartagis> '^] '. stage
[11:27] <glill32> that took forever
[11:27] <mrchicago> i dont mind that
[11:27] <disasm> signius: there maybe some gui trick, but I've always just tailed syslog to figure out whats going on with hardware...
[11:27] <mrchicago> i just wanted a copy to try out
[11:28] <glill32> http://pastebin.ca/13392 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:28] <delire> hehe
[11:29] <mrchicago> ah maybe the torrent will be up later
[11:30] <spanglesontoast> why cannot you install the driver from ati's site?
[11:30] <mrchicago> ubuntu have apt-get
[11:30] <mrchicago> since its a deb derivitive
[11:30] <thoreauputic> glill32: I wonder if changing the depth to 16 for the second one would get you better than 800x600 ? (just guessing )
[11:30] <signius> ==> /var/log/syslog <==
[11:30] <signius> Jun  4 22:27:00 localhost udev[11491] : removing device node '/dev/ttyUSB0'
[11:30] <signius> Jun  4 22:27:00 localhost kernel: usb 2-2: USB disconnect, address 4
[11:30] <signius> Jun  4 22:27:00 localhost kernel: PL-2303 ttyUSB0: PL-2303 converter now disconnected from ttyUSB0
[11:30] <signius> Jun  4 22:27:00 localhost kernel: pl2303 2-2:1.0: device disconnected
[11:30] <signius> Jun  4 22:27:06 localhost kernel: usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5
[11:30] <signius> Jun  4 22:27:06 localhost kernel: usb 2-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71
[11:30] <signius> Jun  4 22:27:06 localhost kernel: pl2303 2-2:1.0: PL-2303 converter detected
[11:31] <signius> Jun  4 22:27:06 localhost kernel: usb 2-2: PL-2303 converter now attached to ttyUSB0
[11:31] <signius> Jun  4 22:27:06 localhost usb.agent[11551] :      pl2303: already loaded
[11:31] <signius> Jun  4 22:27:06 localhost udev[11590] : creating device node '/dev/ttyUSB0'
[11:31] <spanglesontoast> OI
[11:31] <signius> sorry for the soamming guys
[11:31] <signius> spamming*
[11:31] <spanglesontoast> cut that out
[11:31] <spanglesontoast> well it's more than 6 lines
[11:31] <glill32> thoreauputic: I don't want better than 800x600, I want 800x600.
[11:31] <thoreauputic> glill32: ah, OK
[11:31] <mrchicago> k?
[11:32] <glill32> because that's my 36" screen
[11:32] <signius> I am sorry but i been at this hours so had to spam the info
[11:32] <signius> once again appologies
[11:32] <mrchicago> whats with the kernel mod stuff
[11:32] <fraggsta> ok, I noticed there was no sound when I logged in just now
[11:32] <fraggsta> so I tried some stuff..
[11:32] <fraggsta> jrw6@pants:~ $ esd&
[11:32] <fraggsta> Unable to connect to UNIX socket /tmp/.esd/socket
[11:32] <fraggsta> ??
[11:33] <Sero> Does Ubuntu install with Java?
[11:33] <ompaul> Sero, no
[11:33] <thoreauputic> Sero: no
[11:33] <thoreauputic> !restricted
[11:33] <ubotu> restricted is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:33] <glill32> I appreciate you all taking your time, but maybe I'll have time to fool with this someday later.
[11:33] <thoreauputic> Sero: see the bot's URL
[11:33] <Shiggity> I'm suprised that blackdown's isn't included.
[11:33] <mrchicago> ill try wget
[11:33] <delire> Sero: no you need a distribution support non-free stuff like Mepis to do that. ethically unsound, but does 'just work'
[11:34] <delire> Sero: you can however install Java quite easily in ubuntu after the installation of ubuntu itself
[11:34] <Shiggity> delire, why would it be ethically unsound to include Java in your distro?
[11:34] <glill32> bye.
[11:34] <delire> Shiggity: it's non-free
[11:34] <signius> disasm: did you get my output ?
[11:34] <delire> glill32: ok bye. come again
[11:34] <disasm> signius: /dev/ttyUSB0
[11:35] <signius> yeah
[11:35] <disasm> signius: if you need to spam anything feel free to just msg me instead of in the channel
[11:35] <signius> ok thanks
[11:35] <Shiggity> delire, there are free versions that Ubuntu should include. Java is too powerful to be disincluded from a distrobution.
[11:35] <mrchicago> sun wants to be paid liscening
[11:35] <signius> so it is defintalty /dev/ttyUSB0 isnt it
[11:35] <glill32> well i will only be coming by again if I ever determine I have the time to fool with all this. Ubuntu seems like a nice system, but it really should have that screen in Windows where you can see and adjust all your monitors easily, if my opinion counts. bye.
[11:35] <signius> so why the hell it not getting any data from it
[11:35] <mrchicago> for java when it comes to including it as an os option
[11:36] <disasm> signius: thats the device, what type of gps is it?
[11:36] <delire> Shiggity: personally, i agree. but complain to Sun. the apache foundation seeks to change all that, with a GPL'd distribution of java
[11:36] <signius> garmin etrex legend
[11:36] <signius> which is known to work with linus
[11:36] <signius> linux*
[11:36] <thoreauputic> glill32: soon, one hopes - the community doesn't have the resources taht MS have
[11:37] <mrchicago> dvd?
[11:37] <Zodiac> Hello all
[11:37] <mrchicago> wouldnt that mean
[11:37] <Zodiac> Well I had my first crash :(
[11:37] <delire> thoreauputic: Ubuntu is *nearly* for newbies ;)
[11:37] <Zodiac> dag
[11:37] <mrchicago> that dvd rip an sstuff wouldnt work
[11:37] <stevo_incoH> Can someone help me get my touchpad to work on my laptop? (new install) :)
[11:37] <synd> hoorah ubuntu is #26 on the top 100 products of 2005 by PC World!
[11:37] <Shiggity> Is Ubuntu looking to include configuration tools similar to what glill32 talked about?
[11:37] <mrchicago> <--likes the packages in it
[11:38] <ompaul> synd, shame, it should be higher
[11:38] <Zodiac> ha ha
[11:38] <disasm> signius: i got a garmin etrex vista so they should be similar
[11:38] <Zodiac> nice
[11:38] <thoreauputic> delire: and people are not used to the open model where you can't really blame a manufacturer ;/
[11:38] <Zodiac> Top 100 eh?
[11:38] <delire> Shiggity: if you want that install Mepis or Xandros. their KDE suites do support X configuration from the desktop
[11:38] <synd> ompaul: yes, i agree
[11:38] <delire> thoreauputic: precisely
[11:38] <Zodiac> KDE stinks :(
[11:38] <Sero> ompaul, thoreauputic, could you tell me what package I'd install because there are alot of java things here.
[11:38] <mrchicago> know the feeling
[11:38] <delire> Zodiac: i disgree.
[11:38] <mrchicago> i never liked kde
[11:38] <Shiggity> delire, I am able to edit configuration files but I thought my programming skills could possibly be used for usability purposes.
[11:38] <Zodiac> me either
[11:38] <Zodiac> dunno why
[11:39] <synd> and for all you itunes haters, iTunes is the highest ranking media player : )
[11:39] <Zodiac> I just like GNOME better
[11:39] <Zodiac> aww that is weak
[11:39] <Zodiac> where is this article?
[11:39] <mrchicago> heh
[11:39] <thoreauputic> Sero: you probably want the latest java runtime bin file from Sun
[11:39] <mrchicago> did they ever make an i tunes ofr linux
[11:39] <CrustyPunk> Are there any other DVD players for Ubuntu other than Totem?
[11:39] <delire> Zodiac: i don't use gnome or KDE, but see KDE doing alot more for Linux adoption that gnome. i teach on Linux and have seen both sides of the useability argument.
[11:39] <mrchicago> thoreauputic, has a point
[11:39] <mrchicago> the sun files are easy to use
[11:39] <disasm> signius: CrustyPunk mplayer?
[11:39] <synd> Zodiac: pcworld.com
[11:39] <ompaul> Sero, I concur with thoreauputic, on the grounds that the others are not as complete
[11:40] <disasm> CrustyPunk: mplayer
[11:40] <stevo_incoH> mrchicago: the last copy of Lunux Journal had something about that (iTunes for Linux)
[11:40] <CrustyPunk> disasm, mplayer does dvds?
[11:40] <CrustyPunk> disasm, nifty
[11:40] <rudi1234> wie kann man sata platten mounten
[11:40] <Shiggity> delire, where do you teach Linux at?
[11:40] <disasm> CrustyPunk: with libdvdcss
[11:40] <IcemanV9> thechitowncubs: i think i resolved my "overheating" problem; one of fans wasn't working .. has to take the laptop apart to clean it. now it's working beautifully
[11:40] <delire> Zodiac: my students generally prefer KDE far more, and get going with Linux far quicker. however the 'geeks' in my classes far prefer Gnome
[11:40] <signius> disasm: if i turn the gps on and off while tail is running nothing happens
[11:40] <disasm> CrustyPunk: also xine
[11:40] <discman> what command can I use to delete an ext3 filesystem (in this case from a RAID device, dev/md0)?
[11:40] <nova> absolutly no diffrence delire
[11:40] <nova> still mesacrap3d
[11:40] <IcemanV9> thechitowncubs: how's yours? did you find the solution?
[11:40] <delire> Shiggity: i teach game development at various instutitions throughout Europe
[11:41] <signius> disasm: Its set to use NMEA and 4800baud
[11:41] <CrustyPunk> I couldn't get xine to work right last time I tried.. I can try again, though
[11:41] <mrchicago> delire, you do???
[11:41] <CrustyPunk> disasm, thanks
[11:41] <Shiggity> delire, awesome. I was hoping for an approach closer to grade school so I could obtain advice but cool none the less.
[11:41] <mrchicago> killer
[11:41] <mrchicago> ive been tryingout allegro and dig it
[11:41] <mrchicago> ive done some vb games
[11:41] <disasm> signius: is your gps model garmin?
[11:41] <signius> yes
[11:41] <delire> nova: well then i don't know. from here all i can suggest is trying to turn off framebuffer support in your config, also loading the agp drivers again and trying.
[11:42] <Zodiac> delire
[11:42] <Zodiac> ha ha
[11:42] <synd> how come my screensaver playback is choppy as all hell?
[11:42] <Zodiac> Very good then
[11:42] <nova> i fix the damn thing im gona make a shell script to do it all in one shot
[11:42] <disasm> signius: Default protocol should be garmin
[11:42] <delire> Shiggity: right. you want to get into game development?
[11:42] <Zodiac> Man so I had my first Ubuntu crash today
[11:42] <mrchicago> but definatly would like to do more c stuff
[11:42] <nova> and edit config as you just mentioned
[11:42] <signius> yeah but i use NMEA
[11:42] <tsume> hi there
[11:42] <Zodiac> It was really weird too
[11:42] <mrchicago> especially like opengl or sdl
[11:42] <delire> nova: yep.
[11:42] <ompaul> delire, a comment that was made to me the year before last year by a senior 'suse' person was that studies they had carried out were that new users went for KDE and people using linux for a while used gnome, to give an exception to this, I know a guy who has been using variants on the debian theme since adam was a boy and he is a kde head
[11:42] <signius> and NMEA is the major standard
[11:42] <tsume> my fonts are fuzzy after using the nvidia module. Anyone have a solution?
[11:42] <mrchicago> <---hates directx
[11:42] <signius> GARMIN is proprietry
[11:43] <tsume> they look crisp when using nv instead of nvidia
[11:43] <synd> time for some steely dan
[11:43] <delire> ompaul: this is my experience also.
[11:43] <signius> i dont think kismet understands garmin either only NMEA
[11:43] <delire> ompaul: that said, most only seem to move from KDE, because they *can*. many never cease to change DE's.
[11:44] <Zodiac> I dunno, I am a linux noob and I just never took to KDE
[11:44] <delire> ompaul: the 'geeks' however are the exception.
[11:44] <Zodiac> it just didnt look as nice
[11:44] <chris-28> searching meaning about w-lan with ubuntu. want install ubuntu on my laptop.
[11:44] <ompaul> delire, I pine for fvwm2, when it was new :)
[11:44] <delire> personally, i think that gnome Icons really really need a workover.
[11:44] <Zodiac> I am running Ubuntu on my laptop
[11:44] <delire> ompaul: hehe yes, i love fvwm2 still
[11:44] <synd> delire: theres an abundance of icons on gnome-look.org
[11:44] <synd> !gnome
[11:44] <ubotu> hmm... gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, or not the same as gtk but the gnome developers don't know that, or see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org
[11:45] <Shiggity> delire, I want to teach Linux. I feel there are many people that can benefit from it but are scared.
[11:45] <ompaul> delire, at the risk of reminding you, that would be a little over 10 years ago
[11:45] <Shiggity> delire, I feel that students today are becoming less educated than my generation with computers. They learn one set of software instead of how to use a computer.
[11:45] <delire> synd: yes, then why such horrid default fonts? the 'home' icon has been with us for how many years? thankfully Canonical has a bounty on new default icons for gnome in Ubuntu
[11:46] <ompaul> Shiggity, that is a common observation
[11:46] <Shiggity> Game development seems fun but a great deal of work with little payoff in 'butterfly feelings'
[11:46] <delire> ompaul: hehe yes. i moved from fvwm2 through the *box's through to wmi where i am now.
[11:46] <delire> ompaul: i tend to spend a few years with a wm
[11:46] <delire> ompaul: well perhaps 2
[11:46] <Shiggity> ompaul, I would like to teach part time to adults or students and try and allow them to use a computer.
[11:46] <lunarknight> can someone make 2.37 blender package please -_-
[11:47] <chris-28> Zodiac: last time it tried it with ndiswraper and it worked but it was so slow
[11:47] <Kartagis> can you help me with my telnet issue please?
[11:47] <delire> lunarknight: it's in debian testing
[11:47] <ompaul> delire, well I used fvwm2 then KDE then gnome (when religion was a reason if you get my drift) and have not gone back I dabble in others just to see how they do stuff but stick to gnome
[11:47] <lunarknight> delire, how do I get it from debian testing?
[11:47] <delire> Shiggity: game development has great payoff. i teach only FOSS game development, which is a big, yet new area many institutions are exploring
[11:47] <adam> hum
[11:47] <adam> can i play
[11:47] <Shiggity> Personally I've enojyed both Gnome and KDE. Fluxbox has caught my interst in 'hacker looks' though.
[11:47] <Zodiac> Yea... I still havent gotten it to work... but to be fair I havent really devoted to much time to it
[11:48] <adam> to battlefield vietnam?
[11:48] <synd> adam: ?
[11:48] <Zodiac> mostly I just connect directly
[11:48] <delire> lunarknight: i would simply grab the tarball from blender.org and ./blender
[11:48] <synd> xfce eats all desktop managers
[11:48] <Zodiac> Hey guys, how do you install new icons from gnome-look.org>
[11:48] <Zodiac> ?
[11:48] <Shiggity> delire, That is great! Do you guys have anything available to the public to play with? That is very respectful of you to do that.
[11:48] <adam> synd, can i play to battlefield vietnam in linux
[11:48] <delire> Shiggity: see wmi.modprobe.de
[11:48] <Shiggity> synd, I've been very impressed with xfce.
[11:48] <synd> Zodiac: put them in the ~/.icons folder
[11:48] <adam> so ?
[11:48] <delire> Shiggity: do you mean games?
[11:49] <Zodiac> c'mon
[11:49] <synd> Zodiac: untar the tar into the ~/.icons folder
[11:49] <Zodiac> Its that easy?
[11:49] <Zodiac> nice
[11:49] <adam> for play?
[11:49] <toukijin_user2> could anyone please help me with freeNX?
[11:49] <Shiggity> delire, Yup! Teaching in its self is a very respectiful position in my eyes.
[11:49] <Zodiac> oh poop
[11:49] <Kartagis> hi. I have a problem telnetting in my eggdrop. I know this sounds like an eggdrop problem but it is a telnet problem.
[11:49] <Kartagis> can you help me with it? it always freezes at Trying 192.168.1.2... / Connected to 192.168.1.2. / Escape character is
[11:49] <Kartagis> '^] '. stage
[11:49] <Zodiac> where is the icons folder again?
[11:49] <IIIEars> delire - can you recommend a scrabble clone? XScrabble 2.10 works but is ages old.
[11:49] <delire> Shiggity: my students here in denmark have made a bunch of games. i'll be uploading a few soon enough.
[11:49] <adam> Can we play to a game in linux?
[11:49] <ompaul> Shiggity, you can start the lessons with, everything you know is wrong, computing is not hard, or expensive, except for the money you put in hardware, no more random installs, no more random viruses, no more reboots every time you update a 10k program etc
[11:49] <adam> hitman or battlefield
[11:49] <synd> Zodiac: ~/,icons
[11:49] <delire> IIIEars: hmm, no sadly.
[11:50] <synd> Zodiac: ~/.icons
[11:50] <synd> i mean
[11:50] <IIIEars> Thanks :)
[11:50] <thoreauputic> Zodiac: ~/.icons << your home dir
[11:50] <adam> :'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(
[11:50] <Shiggity> ompaul, Good advice. I've been doing that so far.
[11:50] <Zodiac> ha ha
[11:50] <Zodiac> thanx fellas
[11:50] <nova> delire what was you saying about the agp stuff again
[11:50] <Shiggity> ompaul, I swear, a friend almost crapped her pants last night when she found that she could apt-get everything instead of hand install packages.
[11:50] <synd> Zodiac: and you can select that theme of icons from System > Prefs > Theme
[11:50] <chris-28> Zodiac: thanks
[11:50] <Chislon> anyone willing to help me?
[11:51] <IcemanV9> Chislon: just ask :)
[11:51] <kent> are there a schedule for on www.ubuntu.com  for the release of breezy? Like, when it get freezed etc?
[11:51] <Shiggity> Chislon, just ask, there's no need to ask to ask here :-D
[11:51] <delire> adam: a few here. http://games.linux.sk/ and http://linuxgames.com/
[11:51] <adam> Can i play to battlefield vietnam in UBUNTU
[11:51] <nova> the xorg drivers are completly ogone now and all i have left is my ones from the aliened ati rpm to deb ati file
[11:51] <thoreauputic> kent: freeze in Sep, release October
[11:51] <Chislon> ok thank you
[11:51] <synd> kent: its not due for a while.
[11:51] <delire> nova: and compiled and installed?
[11:51] <adam> delire ok thx but, i wnt to know for BFV
[11:52] <Chislon> my attention is elsewhere for a bit though, ill return later, thank you
[11:52] <delire> nova: are the agp modules loaded?
[11:52] <Madpilot> afternoon all... can someone give me the commands to get a new SATA HDD recognized by Ubuntu? It's plugged in but I can't find the BASH commands needed...
[11:52] <nova> checking
[11:52] <ompaul> Shiggity, well even more fun is if you have something like qemu and say dsl.iso on the machine (damn small linux) or maybe kubuntu.iso if you have a lot of ram and then you can run an iso on a running system, follow that with XEN and uml and watch their minds expand
[11:52] <delire> adam: hmm never played this in linux.
[11:52] <nova> yup
[11:52] <disasm> signius: ah, i didn't know that, I've only used hte garmin standard
[11:52] <adam> delire : thx
[11:52] <mz2> adam, you might be able to, check http://www.transgaming.com/ to see if it's among those games that are supported
[11:52] <kent> thoreauputic, well, I heard about a schedule some time ago, and I would like to see it to see if it said something about when to expect live-cd's to test.. :)
[11:52] <delire> ompaul: hehe
[11:52] <adam> mz2 thx
[11:52] <signius> this is driving me frigging mad
[11:53] <adam> i will back
[11:53] <disasm> signius: are you using gpsman or something else?
[11:53] <delire> nova: rmmod them from outside of X and try to start X again? then glxinfo
[11:53] <Shiggity> ompaul, XEN and UML? I do not currently see where these apply....
[11:53] <nova> k
[11:53] <Chislon> if i want to install a program with this, do i do it the same as i do with mandriva?
[11:54] <thoreauputic> kent: hmm - I'm not  a developer, but those dates I gave are about right: usually there are several interim testing releases of CDs as well
[11:54] <dennis__> Hello.
[11:54] <Chislon> why is it that freebsd doesnt use gnome or kde by default and that the linux things all seem to like those best?
[11:54] <delire> nova: short of that, i would have to look at your machine. the only other issue i have come across is this issue with framebuffer support getting in the way. see xorg.conf for signs of this option.
[11:54] <signius> WOO HOO
[11:54] <delire> signius: working?
[11:54] <Zodiac> accidently closed there
[11:54] <Zodiac> he he
[11:54] <disasm> signius: what did you do?
[11:54] <Zodiac> So guys, you have to create an icons folder in Home right?
[11:54] <signius> would you believe the frigging connector on the back of the GOS wasnt 100% connected properly
[11:54] <ompaul> Shiggity, in making play grounds that you can run on a single server, so that lots of sand boxes and when they get broken you can bring them up to the same point in the lesson
[11:54] <signius> only 95%
[11:54] <delire> sigh ;)
[11:54] <synd> Zodiac: no.
[11:55] <signius> it was fuxxing working all along
[11:55] <synd> Zodiac: there is a .icons folder already
[11:55] <forced> Chislon: Because the default desktop is based on the distribution. Just because it's BSD or Linux doesn't mean anything.
[11:55] <dennis__> I'm trying to install the Nvidia sound drivers...and the installer is asking for my kernel source tree...how do I install this?
[11:55] <signius> that caused me bloody hours of agro
[11:55] <spanglesontoast> why cannot you install the driver from ati's site?
[11:55] <Zodiac> hmm
[11:55] <Zodiac> I dont see one
[11:55] <synd> Zodiac: its a hidden folder
[11:55] <Zodiac> ahh
[11:55] <delire> Nvidia sound drivers??
[11:55] <Shiggity> ompaul, do you have any documents or examples where I may be able to research further into this?
[11:55] <synd> Zodiac: the . means its hidden
[11:55] <Chislon> forced, well i mean why is it that FreeBSD decided on xfce over the others?
[11:55] <nova> brb
[11:55] <ompaul> Shiggity, I point you at uncle google
[11:55] <Chislon> also do you all recommend freebsd if im just not doing servers but using it more as a desktop/workstation
[11:55] <delire> nova: luck. you have every right to be pissed at this stage ;) very patient u r.
[11:55] <signius> disasm thanks for you hel all the same tho man
[11:55] <Shiggity> ompaul, Good call ;)
[11:56] <forced> Chislon, Ask FreeBSD. :P Maybe they wanted a lighter desktop. Gnome/KDE are kind of considered bloated.
[11:56] <JDahl> Chislon, we cant tell you why BSD (or any other distro for that matter) do as they do... but we might be able to help with Ubuntu questions
[11:56] <disasm> signius: lok ;-) yeah, I just tested with NMEA and got it working here too with it
[11:56] <signius> you was part of me establishing the solution
[11:56] <ompaul> Shiggity, used by ISPs for making many servers on single boxes
[11:56] <dennis__> I liked FreeBSD
[11:56] <Chislon> forced, this is the FreeBSD channel :)
[11:56] <dennis__> lol
[11:56] <disasm> signius: what are the differences between NMEA and the proprietary protocol? do you know?
[11:56] <forced> ... Odd, says #ubuntu to me.
[11:56] <Zodiac> uh oh, I still dont see it...
[11:56] <Chislon> oh
[11:56] <Chislon> no it snot
[11:56] <Chislon> lol
[11:56] <Chislon> ok
[11:56] <Chislon> sorry
[11:56] <wawa> Hi guys, anyone running terminal in desktop background using Eterm and Devilspie?
[11:56] <Chislon> thanks
[11:56] <forced> Heh.
[11:56] <dennis__> Freebsd is great but its support of new stuff sucks
[11:56] <IcemanV9> Chislon: FreeBSd does NOT stand by any desktop management such as KDE, gnome or XFCE
[11:56] <Kartagis> dennis__: it's usually ./configure --with-kernel=/wherever/kernel/source/is
[11:56] <synd> Chislon: uh
[11:56] <Chislon> oh ok
[11:56] <signius> garmin has some features that NMEA doesnt i think loads of software doesnt understand garmin on NMEA
[11:56] <dennis__> Hmmm
[11:56] <toxicfume> hi alll
[11:56] <synd> os x made freebsd what it is
[11:56] <IcemanV9> Chislon: FreeBSD stands on their OS; that's it.
[11:56] <Chislon> sorry i got confused, but im basically trying to decide between ubuntu or freebsd
[11:57] <signius> as i only really use my GPS for cordinates the extra features arent really of any use to me
[11:57] <toxicfume> my Intel PRO Wireless 2200 wireless card in my laptop is not working in ubuntu, how do i get it to work?
[11:57] <adam> how to install
[11:57] <dennis__> Chislon, what are you using the pc for?
[11:57] <devazion> synd: GNUStep pwns
[11:57] <Chislon> IcemanV9, ok, the freesbie, which is the livecd comes with xfce on it is why i asked
[11:57] <Kartagis> dennis__: of course, I may be wrong. do a ./configure --help
[11:57] <IcemanV9> Chislon: it is easy to install in FreeBSD or Ubuntu
[11:57] <disasm> signius: yeah, same here, so are you using gpsman, or something else?
[11:57] <dennis__> okay...
[11:57] <Zodiac> I dont seem to have a .icons folder
[11:57] <ompaul> Shiggity, if you were to do something this and lets say do something like run a repository that was closed only to the students - it would give them the exact files they should have - messy but if you planned it right it would be brilliant, beyond a thousand suns
[11:57] <IcemanV9> Chislon: ohh!! that makes sense.
[11:57] <forced> Chislon, Try them both. Heh.
[11:57] <adam> how to install Cedega,
[11:57] <adam> ?
[11:57] <adam> please
[11:57] <Kartagis> hi. I have a problem telnetting in my eggdrop. I know this sounds like an eggdrop problem but it is a telnet problem.
[11:57] <Kartagis> can you help me with it? it always freezes at Trying 192.168.1.2... / Connected to 192.168.1.2. / Escape character is
[11:57] <Kartagis> '^] '. stage
[11:57] <adam> how can explain to me
[11:57] <synd> Zodiac: type cd ~/.icons in a term
[11:57] <delire> adam: transgaming.com has the answer no?
[11:58] <adam> yes
[11:58] <Chislon> im did the ubuntu freecd and am trying to get the freebsd one to work
[11:58] <adam> but
[11:58] <IcemanV9> Chislon: freesbie does NOT assoicated with FreeBSD.
[11:58] <adam> when i dowload
[11:58] <thoreauputic> Zodiac: mkdir ~/.icons then :)
[11:58] <disasm> signius: really all i use the software for is to e-mail wp's of places I've been back and forth with my dad
[11:58] <adam> i dont know how to execute
[11:58] <adam> :s
[11:58] <signius> using gpsdrive at the moment
[11:58] <signius> but i want ot get it working under kismet
[11:58] <Chislon> IcemanV9, oh ok, i just saw that htats hwat htey had on it and knew that ubuntu had the gnome and kubuntu the kde
[11:58] <Zodiac> yea I guess it doesnt exist
[11:58] <delire> adam: you have the *.bin file?
[11:58] <Zodiac> stange
[11:58] <IcemanV9> Chislon: they created their OWN distro based on FreeBSD in Italy
[11:58] <delire> adam: or the *.sh file
[11:58] <adam> a moment
[11:58] <dennis__> FreeBSD is great for basic workstations
[11:58] <dennis__> and servers
[11:58] <signius> I will try gps man now
[11:58] <Shiggity> ompaul, I may have to look into this...I would like to do some teaching as a 'side project' once I"m outin the work force.
[11:58] <IcemanV9> Chislon: no problem :)
[11:58] <signius> just to double check everything
[11:58] <Chislon> dennis__, i want to get into programming, i hear starting with python is good, and id like to do blendering and stuff, id also like to do flash like stuff, flash is for windwos though, but i dont know if there is an equivalent linux type software or bsd software?
[11:59] <mrchicago> bash script
[11:59] <delire> Shiggity: good for you.
[11:59] <Zodiac> synd do you think that is a problem?
[11:59] <Chislon> im not doing server stuff at all
[11:59] <dennis__> Then BSD is not for you...
[11:59] <thoreauputic> Zodiac: you can also drag icon themes onto the themes dialog in gnome
[11:59] <dennis__> Use a linux distro
[11:59] <Zodiac> hmm
[11:59] <adam> how i can download?
[11:59] <nova> no diffrence
[11:59] <disasm> ooh wow, thats a lot slicker than gpsman
[11:59] <Zodiac> lemme try that I suppose
[11:59] <nova> i got to head off for like a hour
[11:59] <mrchicago> hey ? does ubuntu have drivers for usb haupuagge
[11:59] <adam> i must subscrib???
[11:59] <mrchicago> tv cards
[11:59] <delire> adam: yes
[11:59] <Chislon> dennis__, why do you say that, just so i cna understand please? i thought you said it was good for workstation, is that what using it for programming and such is?
[11:59] <adam> oh no!
[11:59] <synd> Zodiac: did you try cd ~/.icons ?
[11:59] <adam> i'm french ^^
[11:59] <dennis__> Well, if you want to use flash, it isn't a good choice....