[12:04] <joaquin> alguien m puede decir cual es mejor el kununtu o el knoppix ?????????????????????????
[12:06] <_Church_of_Foamy> mount: can't find /dev/hdd1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[12:06] <_Church_of_Foamy> Please check that the disk is entered correctly.
[12:06] <_Church_of_Foamy> what gives?
[12:06] <weedar> well, if you just plain mount it linux thinks you have all the other info in /etc/fstab
[12:07] <_Church_of_Foamy> i want it to be a drive used for storage
[12:07] <_Church_of_Foamy> and backups
[12:07] <_Church_of_Foamy> how to fix so i can mount
[12:07] <weedar> hang on
[12:08] <_Church_of_Foamy> kk'
[12:08] <weedar> _Church_of_Foamy:  /dev/hdd1       /mnt/wherever      ext3    defaults        0       0
[12:08] <weedar> add that line to /etc/fstab but replace "wherever" for your mountpoint
[12:09] <_Church_of_Foamy> ok and how to teel what my mountpoint is?
[12:09] <weedar> well, you decide. Me, I mount disks in the /mnt directory, giving each partition a describing name (like "storage","backup", etc.)
[12:10] <_Church_of_Foamy> i gave mine the name storage
[12:10] <_Church_of_Foamy> it's /dev/hdd1
[12:10] <weedar> so the folder is /mnt/storage ? or just /storage?
[12:11] <_Church_of_Foamy> so i would put the name storage in there in place of wherever?
[12:11] <weedar> yes
[12:11] <_Church_of_Foamy> ok cool
[12:11] <_Church_of_Foamy> now how to edit the file?
[12:12] <dreumah> has anyone got knights working? the chess server?
[12:12] <osh_> _Church_of_Foamy: wanna learn "vi"? ;-)
[12:12] <weedar> easy way is to use kedit or something, but you have to be root to do it
[12:12] <weedar> vi is nice when you know how and just masochistic if you don't
[12:14] <osh_> vi is also standard on all unix-systems. learn that, use everywhere. sort of like java, but not.
[12:14] <_Church_of_Foamy> i was gonna use my favorite which is gedit
[12:14] <_Church_of_Foamy> vi would be scary to me right now lol
[12:15] <weedar> but osh_  is right, in the long run vi is handy
[12:15] <osh_> _Church_of_Foamy: wanna get scared. try "ed". that's some really scary shit. :-)
[12:15] <_Church_of_Foamy> i bet but i'm afraid i would screw up my box
[12:16] <_Church_of_Foamy> and i have got it just the way i like it lol
[12:16] <weedar> well you can't really know if it will break your system until you try ;P
[12:16] <_Church_of_Foamy> true
[12:16] <DickJack> hello
[12:16] <_Church_of_Foamy> but i'll stick with what i know for now lol
[12:17] <weedar> besides, in case you forgot the mantra for the day: it's "backup"
[12:17] <_Church_of_Foamy> i know thats why i'm trying to create this storage drve
[12:17] <_Church_of_Foamy> so i can backup lol
[12:17] <osh_> Real men don't do backups. Real men cries. ;-)
[12:17] <_Church_of_Foamy> roflmao
[12:18] <crimsun> yeah, they cry after being fired for not making backups
[12:18] <_Church_of_Foamy> well smart men do backups lol
[12:18] <_Church_of_Foamy> do i wanna edit mtab or fstab?
[12:18] <weedar> fstab
[12:18] <_Church_of_Foamy> k
[12:20] <_Church_of_Foamy> [mntent] : line 7 in /etc/fstab is bad
[12:20] <_Church_of_Foamy> mount: can't find /dev/hdd1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[12:21] <_Church_of_Foamy> what the hell?
[12:21] <weedar> what command did you run to get that error?
[12:22] <_Church_of_Foamy> right clicked on the drive and selected mount
[12:22] <_Church_of_Foamy>  /dev/hdd1    /mnt/storage   ext3  defaults    0    0
[12:22] <_Church_of_Foamy> is what i put into the fstab
[12:23] <\sh> do u created the directory /mnt/storage ?
[12:23] <_Church_of_Foamy> um i just formatted with qtparted and it asked me the name of the drive
[12:23] <_Church_of_Foamy> so i typed storage
[12:24] <weedar> oh, I tought you said you created the folder
[12:24] <weedar> just mkdir /mnt/storage
[12:24] <_Church_of_Foamy> nope
[12:24] <_Church_of_Foamy> ok
[12:24] <weedar> mount-poiunts must exist before use
[12:25] <weedar> s/poiunts/points
[12:25] <_Church_of_Foamy> damnit
[12:25] <_Church_of_Foamy> same error
[12:26] <_Church_of_Foamy> do i need to be in the drive or something?
[12:26] <weedar> no
[12:26] <_Church_of_Foamy> damnit what did i do wrong?
[12:26] <weedar> pm me your /etc/fstab
[12:27] <_Church_of_Foamy> ok
[12:29] <_Church_of_Foamy> i made a screensaver for kubuntu that emulates the "blue screen" of death
[12:29] <_Church_of_Foamy> just because i miss it lol
[12:29] <_Church_of_Foamy> weedar: sent you my fstab
[12:29] <weedar> yeah, I'm thinking :)
[12:30] <_Church_of_Foamy> oh ok lol
[12:30] <_Church_of_Foamy> i tryed that once it hert for days lol
[12:30] <_Church_of_Foamy> >.<
[12:33] <weedar> Foamy: if you in console type "sudo mount /mnt/storage", what happens?
[12:34] <_Church_of_Foamy> pm'd it to you
[12:35] <weedar> _Church_of_Foamy: ok, let's do this private :)
[12:46] <Groov> one question, must i install ubuntu to install kubuntu?
[12:46] <\sh> Groov: if u install ubuntu, then u need to sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop to get kubuntu
[12:47] <\sh> Groov: or u download the kubuntu install cd and install it directly 
[12:47] <Groov> ive downloadet
[12:47] <Groov> but then when i install
[12:47] <Groov> it displays a error, the error is the disk i should brun slower or a network problem
[12:48] <Groov> but i burned the disk slowly
[12:48] <\sh> Groov: how did u burn the cd? 
[12:48] <Groov> ive downloadet ubuntu too, what must i install to have kubuntu? give it a "update-pack" ?
[12:49] <apollo2011> I have (K)ubuntu system with both KDE and Gnome installed. I use KDE by default.  However, I just noticed that the Switch User option is suddenly missing from my K Menu.
[12:49] <Groov> i wrote the .iso, also the image on cd
[12:49] <Groov> with 4X speed
[12:49] <Groov> !
[12:49] <\sh> Groov: install ubuntu, after u r finished (setting up your network etc.) u can install kubuntu with this command: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[12:50] <\sh> ok..going to bed now
[12:50] <Groov> ok
[12:50] <Tm_T> \sh: hmm, you looked that pykde&desktop script issue?
[12:50] <Groov> good night and thanks 4 help
[12:50] <\sh> Tm_T: yeah...
[12:50] <Tm_T> and?
[12:50] <\sh> Tm_T: preparing just now the next upload for pykde
[12:50] <Groov> good night @ll i think i tast it one more time
[12:51] <Groov> what "probieren" in english :P
[12:51] <\sh> try
[12:51] <dreumah> try
[12:51] <Groov> try
[12:51] <\sh> Groov: /join #ubuntu-de :)
[12:51] <Groov> omg
[12:51] <Groov> ^^
[12:51] <Groov> thx
[12:51] <Groov> ^^
[12:51] <Tm_T> \sh: ok, so I'll just use apt to update any moment now?
[12:51] <Groov> :P
[12:52] <\sh> Tm_T: during the day...i will send them to the buildd and put new hoary packages on my repos
[12:52] <Groov> good night
[12:52] <\sh> need to sleep now
[12:52] <\sh> cu later today
[12:53] <Tm_T> \sh: ok thanks :)
[01:03] <_Church_of_Foamy>  how do i back up my entire hard drive using konserve?
[01:11] <hussam> anybody here's running DVD movies on kaffeine? I have some question
[01:11] <duende> i do
[01:11] <duende> not sure if i can answer your question, but i'll try
[01:12] <hussam> what's css and encryption? do these movies come encrypted?
[01:12] <duende> Unfortunatly, many dvd's in the world come with css and region restrictions meaning that they can only be played on certain dvd players, etc.
[01:12] <gdh> ah. DVD101 :)
[01:13] <duende> this used to be a pain for trying to use dvd's in linux because of the encryptions, so, there was decss which allows for decryption
[01:13] <hussam> is css different than the region stuff?
[01:13] <gdh> nearly every commercial DVD is encoded with a trivial encryption system called CSS :)
[01:13] <duende> unfortunatly, this is illegal in many countries
[01:13] <hussam> is there a workaround?
[01:13] <duende> of course, this is linux :)
[01:14] <duende> many distributions don't come with dvd decryption because of the legalities
[01:14] <duende> the easiest thing to do, if you're using ubuntu, is to add a new apt source line
[01:14] <duende> i'll get it for you, one sec
[01:15] <hussam> Ok I got the stuff about css and encryption. What about the region stuff? any workaround for that?
[01:15] <gdh> CSS is region-coding.
[01:15] <duende> yeah, sorry, i wasn't more clear
[01:15] <gdh> No CSS = no concept of regions :)
[01:16] <duende> add the following lilne to your /etc/apt/sources.list file:  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[01:16] <duende> run apt-get update
[01:16] <hussam> I already have that line
[01:16] <duende> oh, ok
[01:16] <duende> sorry
[01:17] <hussam> what do I install?
[01:17] <duende> you were just asking what the purpose of dvdcss was
[01:18] <hussam> duende: I thought I was going to install something from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main 
[01:18] <duende> oh, yes, libdvdcss2 and libdvdcss2-dev
[01:18] <hussam> ok I'm installing them now.
[01:18] <duende> sorry, my blood-alcohol level is getting high
[01:19] <hussam> will this enable playing dvds from other regions?
[01:19] <duende> yes
[01:19] <gdh> Aye, don't be installing any 3D support software - drink + drivers don't mix.
[01:19] <duende> haha
[01:20] <hussam> duende: ok thanks :)
[01:21] <hussam> brb, have to reboot, thanks  duende :)
[01:29] <kalenedrael> ok, can anyone help me map caps lock to ctrl?
[01:30] <Tm_T> eh, why?
[01:30] <kalenedrael> idk, does it matter? :P
[01:30] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I remap my capslock to shift =)
[01:31] <gdh> It'd certainly confuse the hell out of anyone who tried to use your computer.
[01:32] <Tm_T> why?
[01:32] <gdh> also apply dvorak keyboard layout.
[01:32] <Tm_T> I never use capslock anyway
[01:32] <gdh> I meant capslock to ctrl really :)
[01:32] <Tm_T> ah =)
[01:33] <gdh> and map 'E' to Ctrl-Alt-Backspace :)
[01:34] <Tm_T> \o/
[01:35] <dreumah> are the repos down?
[01:35] <Tm_T> hmm, no?
[01:35] <dreumah> thats strange mine arent working, and they were earlier
[01:49] <_Church_of_Foamy> does anyone here know how to do a complete harddrive backup?
[01:49] <_Church_of_Foamy> using konserve?
[01:49] <gdh> no idea what konserve is, I was about to suggest rsync :)
[01:49] <_Church_of_Foamy> whats rsync?
[01:50] <_Church_of_Foamy> i thought konserve was a backup utility for kubuntu
[01:50] <gdh> rsync is /the/ synchronisation tool :)
[01:50] <gdh>  Konserve is a small backup application for the KDE environment.
[01:50] <gdh>  It lives in the system tray and is able to create backups of
[01:50] <gdh>  several directories or files periodically.
[01:50] <_Church_of_Foamy> oh ok
[01:50] <gdh> Don't know if I'd trust that description 
[01:50] <_Church_of_Foamy> um yea
[01:50] <gdh> for a whole 'bare metal' backup
[01:51] <_Church_of_Foamy> ok so how do i use rsync? do i have to apt-get install it?
[01:52] <_Church_of_Foamy> gdh: how do i get rsync do i apt-get install it?
[01:53] <bobbyd> hi
[01:54] <bobbyd> what's the best way to deal with something that's an rpm?
[01:54] <bobbyd> I want to install doom3
[01:54] <gdh> _Church_of_Foamy:  rsync is a commandline app and isn't terribly friendly
[01:54] <gdh> but yes apt-get it
[01:54] <_Church_of_Foamy> ok um i want something freindly lol
[01:54] <gdh> bobbyd: you can try apt-get install alien .. then 'alien doom3.....rpm'
[01:55] <_Church_of_Foamy> so i can backup my entire hd any ideas?
[01:55] <gdh> bobbyd: that will make 'a' .deb - fingers crossed it might even work
[01:55] <_Church_of_Foamy> you can get doom 3 for free?
[01:55] <bobbyd> gdh: ok I'll research alien
[01:55] <bobbyd> _Church_of_Foamy: the linux executable, but you need to buy the game to get the data and a key
[01:55] <_Church_of_Foamy> oh ok
[01:55] <_Church_of_Foamy> damn lol
[01:56] <gdh> _Church_of_Foamy: 'entire HD' - do you mean the kind of backup where it puts it all on DVD and if your system fucks up, you just pop the DVD in and it self-boots from the BIOs and restores everything?
[01:56] <_Church_of_Foamy> no i mean back it up to a hard drive that is made just for strage
[01:56] <_Church_of_Foamy> storage
[01:57] <_Church_of_Foamy> cpio<--someone in ubuntu said try this
[01:57] <_Church_of_Foamy> should i?
[01:57] <gdh> yeh cpio is about the same level of 'low level' as rsync
[01:58] <_Church_of_Foamy> ouch
[01:58] <_Church_of_Foamy> no thanx lol
[01:58] <_Church_of_Foamy> need something freindlyer lol
[01:58] <gdh> maybe konserve will serve you.. no idea :)
[01:58] <_Church_of_Foamy> <--windows free for 29 days and lovin it ^_^
[02:06] <nxv_> hi i can't setup my wlan with wpa, without encryption it works. i am stuck and don't have any more idears what to do
[02:07] <gdh> nxv_: don't use wep/wpa and run something like ipsec or openvpn on top of the 'unencrypted' WLAN?
[02:08] <nxv_> gdh: i wan't to use wpa with my hardware dsl router. so i have to use the encryption it already implements
[02:08] <gdh> ah, fair enough..
[02:08] <_Church_of_Foamy> linux rocks ^_^
[02:08] <gdh> no idea :)
[02:10] <gdh> nxv_: don't suppose it's a linksys ? :)
[02:10] <nxv_> gdh: no it's an belkin router, why?
[02:11] <gdh> nxv_: http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/LinksysWrt54g
[02:11] <gdh> etc. :)
[02:17] <Mez> mez@apathy:~$ artsdsp audacity
[02:17] <Mez> /home/mez/.kde/share/config/gtkrc:37: error: unexpected identifier `gtk-alternative-button-order', expected keyword - e.g. `style'
[02:17] <Mez> Segmentation fault
[02:17] <Mez> any ideas anyone
[02:24] <kalenedrael> ok, so, how do i go about mapping caps lock to ctrl?
[02:24] <kalenedrael> i don't want to swap caps and ctrl, i want both of them to mean ctrl
[02:25] <uniq> kalenedrael: easy you can do it in the control center.
[02:25] <kalenedrael> ok
[02:26] <uniq> control center -> regional & accessibility -> keyboard layout -> xkb options (tab) -> [x]  enable xkb options -> take a look in the list.
[02:26] <kalenedrael> ok, that was very easy
[02:26] <kalenedrael> thanks
[02:26] <uniq> you're welcome :)
[02:27] <kalenedrael> there was an option called "Make Caps Lock an additional Control"
[02:27] <uniq> yes, that's what you described :)
[02:28] <gdh> Isn't that for users of Sun keyboards where Ctrl is where CapsLock is on a PC keyboard?
[02:29] <gdh> and Alt is the ubiquitous 'meta' key?
[02:29] <uniq> or for users like me. I never use caps, i use ctrl alot.
[02:29] <uniq> making caps an additional control is great.
[02:29] <kalenedrael> yes
[02:29] <kalenedrael> it's easier on the hands
[02:30] <kalenedrael> you don't have to move your hands as far
[02:30] <kalenedrael> oh, and now i won't be accidentally hitting caps, because there is no caps key
[02:30] <gdh> I think the Amiga also had Ctrl where caps is...
[02:32] <uniq> it makes sense.
[02:32] <uniq> caps is misplaced.
[02:33] <uniq> well, i'll call it a day.
[02:33] <uniq> gnite guys.
[02:35] <Dent> aroo?
[02:35] <Dent> trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[02:37] <cydizen> hello everyone.
[02:37] <cydizen> Has anyone installed the Nvidia Drivers, and have is break thier sound?
[02:37] <cydizen> *it
[02:37] <kalenedrael> no...
[02:38] <cydizen> Just installed Kubuntu lastnight in my search for a better distro, just trying to iron out the details
[02:39] <kalenedrael> yeah
[02:39] <kalenedrael> took me a while too...
[02:39] <cydizen> everything worked fine with the (nv) driver, just no openGL, so I installed the prop. driver from the repository, rebooted, with no sound
[02:39] <kalenedrael> no no no don't do that, build your own driver
[02:39] <kalenedrael> download the driver package from nvidia.com
[02:39] <cydizen> really
[02:39] <kalenedrael> yeah
[02:40] <cydizen> should I apt-get remove the other driver?
[02:40] <kalenedrael> i'd suggest it
[02:40] <cydizen> I will get right on that. 
[02:40] <cydizen> Back in a bit. Thanks kalendrael
[02:40] <kalenedrael> np
[02:40] <kalenedrael> wait
[02:40] <kalenedrael> before you go...
[02:41] <cydizen> yea...
[02:41] <kalenedrael> i'd also suggest downloading several versions of it
[02:41] <kalenedrael> the newest is 1.0-7167
[02:41] <cydizen> okay..
[02:41] <kalenedrael> i'd get 6111 and up
[02:41] <kalenedrael> in case the newest doesn't work
[02:41] <cydizen> and just experiment?
[02:41] <kalenedrael> try the older ones sequentially...
[02:41] <cydizen> sounds lick a plan. 
[02:41] <cydizen> like
[02:42] <kalenedrael> i recall having problems with anything newer than 6111
[02:42] <kalenedrael> but that's me...
[02:42] <cydizen> nope, I am going to do that right now.
[02:42] <cydizen> once again, thank you
[03:09] <dreumah> hello can some one help me figure out my repos, i must have messed them up because nothing is working
[03:09] <dreumah> ?
[03:10] <dreumah> aight i ll try in the morning then
[03:14] <Brazmetal> Hola people.... I have a problem, kmix doesn't save my sound settings.... Need help.
[03:20] <Brazmetal> :(
[03:21] <kalenedrael> hmm
[03:21] <kalenedrael> ok, try setting it, then go to the K menu and select "Save session"
[03:22] <rexykik> how do i change defaults for hotplug so that it doesnt autosync on mount?
[03:22] <kalenedrael> be warned that "save session" will also remember what windows/programs you have open
[03:22] <kalenedrael> hmmm, why would you want to do that, rexykik?
[03:22] <rexykik> because sync is bad for fat32 drives
[03:23] <kalenedrael> hm
[03:23] <Brazmetal> do you know the PCM setting?
[03:23] <kalenedrael> i never came across that
[03:23] <rexykik> well, when i try to save to the drive using bittorrent, it tells me that it cannot allocate the directory
[03:23] <rexykik> which is problem #1
[03:24] <rexykik> while explaining that to the BT chan, they told me that it was bad to sync on a fat32 drive
[03:24] <rexykik> but now say that it makes sense, since i am using the drive in an external inclosure via usb
[03:24] <Brazmetal> kalenedrael, so, everytime I play new song in xmms, the pcm setting in kmix goes back to 100%
[03:25] <kalenedrael> that's odd
[03:25] <Brazmetal> I think pcm controls the noise level...
[03:25] <rexykik> yup.
[03:32] <Brazmetal> kalenedrael, I don't have "Save Session" in the K menu.... Where is it?
[03:33] <closure> hello everyone
[03:33] <closure> anybody know why backports is down?
[03:33] <kalenedrael> umm, it may not be there, Brazmetal
[03:33] <kalenedrael> but in kubuntu i think it is
[03:34] <kalenedrael> what are the items right at the bottom of the menu?
[03:35] <Brazmetal> just the common ones, execute, close,block, 
[03:35] <closure> how do i edit my repositories?
[03:35] <closure> i forgot
[03:36] <Brazmetal> closure, /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:36] <kalenedrael> ?
[03:36] <kalenedrael> it should be that menu with all your apps in it...
[03:36] <closure> thanks
[03:37] <kalenedrael> should contain like "Lock session" "Log out" "Switch user"...
[03:37] <Brazmetal> yes
[03:37] <closure> oh for fucks sake i still can't get backports to respond
[03:38] <closure> : Couldn't stat source package list http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_ubp_dists_hoary-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:38] <closure> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-backports/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_ubp_dists_hoary-backports_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:38] <closure> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-backports/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_ubp_dists_hoary-backports_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:38] <closure> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-backports/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_ubp_dists_hoary-backports_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:38] <closure> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-extras/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_ubp_dists_hoary-extras_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:38] <closure> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-extras/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_ubp_dists_hoary-extras_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:38] <closure> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-extras/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_ubp_dists_hoary-extras_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:38] <closure> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-extras/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_ubp_dists_hoary-extras_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:39] <closure> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[03:39] <closure> E: Some index files failed to download, t
[03:39] <closure> whtat
[03:39] <closure> errr what does that mean?
[03:40] <kalenedrael> O.o don't flood
[03:41] <kalenedrael> just type "apt-get update"
[03:41] <closure> oh man
[03:41] <closure> if kdelibs crashes my system again
[03:41] <closure> i'm going to be so pissed
[03:42] <kalenedrael> hell, if it says "W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems" then by all means do so
[03:42] <closure> yeah
[03:42] <closure> i did that
[03:42] <closure> that's what i got
[03:43] <kalenedrael> oh
[03:43] <kalenedrael> well...
[03:43] <kalenedrael> backports may be down
[03:43] <gdh> something from the forums is unlikely to be a 'supported service' so don't be surprised if it dies from time to time.
[03:43] <kalenedrael> i know that the whole thing was down yesterday
[03:44] <closure> gdh i know this
[03:44] <closure> it just seems to crash all the time
[03:53] <rexykik> how do i make an ext3 partition?
[03:53] <rexykik> can i do it through cfdisk?
[03:57] <gdh> you make partitions with cfdisk... once a partition is made.. you choose what fs to put on it
[03:57] <rexykik> oh...right...
[03:57] <gdh> with mkfs.ext3.. or mkfs.reiser or mkfs.xfs etc.
[03:58] <Chislon> hello
[03:58] <gdh> hullo
[03:59] <Chislon> i like the way KDE looks rather then gnome.. but i dont see a kubuntu download from the ubuntu site, i was told to check here
[03:59] <Chislon> or ask ehre
[03:59] <Chislon> *er ask here
[03:59] <rexykik> no
[03:59] <rexykik> goto the kubuntu site
[03:59] <Chislon> they are so different that they need different sites and rooms?
[04:00] <Chislon> The Kubuntu project aims to be to KDE what Ubuntu is to Gnome: an integrated distro with all the great features of Ubuntu, but based on the KDE desktop.
[04:00] <Chislon> what is ubuntu to gnome?
[04:00] <Chislon> just that ubuntu is a great distro
[04:00] <Chislon> but this one is for kde?
[04:00] <closure> desktop debian
[04:00] <Chislon> ?
[04:01] <closure> bus uses the gnome desktop environment
[04:01] <Chislon> desktop debian?
[04:01] <rexykik> you mean windows manager?
[04:01] <closure> as opposed to K Desktop Environment(KDE)
[04:01] <closure> rexykik, sure whatever
[04:01] <rexykik> yup
[04:01] <rexykik> meaning that its pretty as hell
[04:01] <rexykik> you can tweak the setting to hoolah
[04:02] <rexykik> uhm...can edit the kmenu lots easier
[04:02] <rexykik> bit more memory intensive, but i think its worth it
[04:03] <closure> it runs faster on mine
[04:03] <closure> and this is an old box
[04:03] <closure> 450mhz/128mb physical ram
[04:03] <rexykik> laptop or just old box?
[04:03] <gdh> I have an older machine and I certainly found KDE was smoother than GNOME..
[04:04] <closure> laptop
[04:04] <closure> maybe it's just that i mean i don't do anything intensive on this besides web browsing
[04:04] <closure> it's all chat really
[04:04] <closure> well
[04:05] <closure> i have my news ticker/weather and shit but Opera is definitely the heftiest
[04:05] <rexykik> opera is a browser, no?
[04:05] <closure> yeah
[04:05] <closure> it doesn
[04:05] <rexykik> hows it compare to firefox?
[04:05] <closure> 't like multimedia so far as i can get it to work
[04:05] <closure> but i don't really mind that much
[04:05] <rexykik> ahh
[04:05] <closure> and
[04:05] <gdh> Opera is at least Qt based :)
[04:06] <closure> it has trouble with some shock stuff
[04:06] <rexykik> heh heh
[04:06] <gdh> even if it is commercial shite-from-hell :))
[04:06] <closure> i'm sure someone smarter than i could configure the damn thing to work
[04:06] <closure> but i can't seem to make it work right
[04:07] <gdh> konqueror and firefox with flashplayer-nonfree seem to work fine... 
[04:07] <gdh> is shockwave still a seperate thing? does anyone use the full shockwave thesedays?
[04:08] <closure> what's flashplayer-nonfree?
[04:08] <gdh> I mean, aside from on CD-ROM demos and presentations...
[04:08] <closure> *shrugs*
[04:08] <gdh> closure: the macromedia flash player...
[04:08] <closure> i've always just used it
[04:08] <gdh> pre-packaged for kubuntu
[04:08] <closure> hrm
[04:08] <closure> i wonder if i have that
[04:09] <rexykik> look in kynaptic
[04:09] <gdh> it'll be in multiverse 
[04:10] <gdh> which is neither enabled by default nor commented out in the apt sources.list
[04:10] <gdh> duplicate the 'universe' line and replace universe with multiverse
[04:10] <gdh> it's the equivalent of debian's 'non-free' repository
[04:11] <closure> what's non-free?
[04:11] <closure> just what it says?
[04:11] <gdh> Non-Free Software as per http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
[04:11] <gdh> free to use, but that's often about the biggest freedom it provides
[04:12] <closure> so should i enable those repos?
[04:12] <closure> the nonfree?
[04:12] <gdh> universe is a good one to have.. 
[04:12] <closure> ok
[04:12] <gdh> there is very little in multiverse (fortunately :)
[04:13] <gdh> the flashplayer-nonfree is about the most useful thing there.
[04:13] <gdh> and hopefully when Konq supports this AJAX stuff properly (think maps.google.com .... ) Flash will become less important for websites
[04:13] <gdh> as developers finally start to get a clue about cross-platform support
[04:14] <gdh> Yes, I live in a utopian world :)
[04:14] <gdh> one day... one day.... ;)
[04:14] <closure> hrm
[04:15] <closure> i hope to god cause i hate flash
[04:15] <closure> it's trash
[04:15] <gdh> Flash is a horrible thing whose only justifiable purpose is to 'make funny movies'
[04:15] <rexykik> was about to say that gdh
[04:15] <closure> it reminds me of this program we had on macs way way back
[04:15] <rexykik> but the funny movie is rather good
[04:16] <closure> the apple II and first iMacs
[04:16] <gdh> any company proudly having a flash-only website deserves a huge fine for breaking the disability access regs.
[04:16] <closure> gdh damn right
[05:09] <sproingie> foo
[05:09] <sproingie> i have spent all damn day trying to find a distro that will install in qemu
[05:10] <sproingie> kubuntu gives me mysterious errors.  ubuntu livecd gets crashy.  fedora configures itself fubared.  
[05:14] <rich52> I need some help, anyone know how to get kynaptic to work again? It's disappeared. Apt-get in the Konsole works but I like the graphic interface of Kynaptic. . . 
[05:19] <jkeel> does anyone know what package Qt assistant and designer are in?
[05:19] <jkeel> I can't find them..
[05:47] <nate__> how do you reload x, not restart it?  someone said something about it the other day and i forgot
[05:57] <transgress> anyone installed ubuntu-desktop after installing kubuntu?
[05:59] <ChinaCatJones> transgress, i have
[06:05] <transgress> ChinaCatJones: have any problems with it?
[06:06] <transgress> i had all kinds or problems when i tried installing kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu
[06:12] <ChinaCatJones> transgress:  I don't recall having any problems going from k to u, but I had some really oddball one's going from u to k
[06:13] <transgress> ChinaCatJones: cool thanks
[06:13] <transgress> yeah gdm and kdm stopped working when i tried going from u to k
[06:13] <ChinaCatJones> the only thing I can think of is that kubuntu seems to install with a lot of gnome underpinnings
[06:14] <ChinaCatJones> and those underpinnings are what cause the problem going the other way
[06:14] <transgress> k
[06:14] <transgress> well i guess i might as well give it a shot
[06:15] <transgress> i decided i wanted gnome back
[06:28] <closure> lol
[07:06] <transgress> brb
[07:50] <weedar> ChinaCatJones: deadhead?
[08:11] <ChinaCatJones> weedar- aiko aiko!
[08:13] <weedar> ChinaCatJones: I've been thinking for two minutes now, trying to find a comeback or hip reply but no can do so; Hi, I like the Dead too
[08:15] <ChinaCatJones> weedar: no problem
[08:16] <weedar> although I could say your nick is composed partially of my two favorite songs :)
[08:18] <ChinaCatJones> weedar: mine too, right now I am fighting with my router's firewall and furthur
[08:19] <ChinaCatJones> i am thinking about awarding Verizon a badge for the fun police
[08:21] <weedar> I still haven't used furthurnet, but I assume the problem is solved by port-forwarding the relevant port to your IP?
[08:23] <ChinaCatJones> weedar:  for the most part yes, but it appears Verizon is blocking well known ports for p2p apps
[08:23] <weedar> Verizon is an ISP then I assume?
[08:25] <ChinaCatJones> yes, they are one of the larger telco's in the US
[08:26] <weedar> it's funny how all the large telco's in the world have the worst policies
[08:27] <ChinaCatJones> i am cringing about what happens when I need port 110 and 25
[08:29] <weedar> Well of course they have to block the ports for email, that's the main source of viruses, they're actually doing you a favor
[08:30] <ChinaCatJones> weedar: or as M$ would say, it's a feature
[08:31] <weedar> :D
[08:31] <weedar> There is no way you can make furthur use a different port?
[08:33] <weedar> ChinaCatJones: It seems to be suggested that you try using port 80, for example, and I assume that one isn't blocked :)
[08:33] <ChinaCatJones> weedar: I moved the port, I just wanted to make sure I wans't going to be stepping on something else
[08:37] <ubuntu> I'm using the live cd, can someone tell me how to mount my harddrive please?
[08:39] <weedar> ChinaCatJones: I downloaded everything from gdlive.com ages ago, what will furthur give me that  I don't already have? (I want a sales-pitch here)
[08:40] <ChinaCatJones> weedar:  Further has a lot more than just the Dead and the dead offshoots, in addition they do video etc, and most of the stuff is lossless
[08:41] <weedar> lossless you say, that sounds interesting. I've also been dying to get hold of some videos, all I have are most of their DVDs  (commercial ones)
[08:41] <espiem> hello
[08:42] <espiem> i need to know how to refresh panel in kde.
[08:43] <weedar> when my gf gave me anthem to beauty and downhill from here as a christmas gift I considered marrying her, but I'm holding out until she gets me view from the vault I-IV ;)
[08:43] <espiem> :-)
[08:44] <ChinaCatJones> ha ha ha
[08:45] <weedar> which repository do you use to get furthur, or did you dl the tarballl ChinaCatJones?
[08:45] <espiem> gnome use killall gnome-panel. kde?
[08:45] <ChinaCatJones> weedar I got the tarball, setup was cake
[08:45] <weedar> I'll try that then :)
[09:44] <_Church_of_Foamy> anyone know how to set permissions on your hard drive?
[09:46] <bruno> my hard disk doesn't keep spinning (for ten minutes) when I do hdparm -S 120 /dev/hda. I remember this working on suse so I don't think it's the hardware ... Any clues?
[09:50] <bruno> I mean I kept spinning on suse, but I didn't have to use hdparm ... Yast offered an option to keep the disk spinning
[09:54] <weedar> _Church_of_Foamy: chmod changes permissions for folders, chown  changes owner, but remember that a mount-point will get it's owner changed to whoever mounts i
[09:54] <weedar> s/i/it
[09:54] <_Church_of_Foamy> kk
[10:07] <de`angelo> !neep help on setting up network
[10:07] <de`angelo> anybody please
[10:08] <de`angelo> hello
[10:09] <osh_> de`angelo: what's the problem?
[11:15] <SquishyWaffle> Guess it's active here this early in the morning :)
[11:17] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hi there guys
[11:18] <Alex[RM-UK] > I have a file on my pc with the extension of '.deb' how do I install this with apt-get? It's a debian package so it will work
[11:18] <opi> dpkg -i package.deb
[11:19] <Alex[RM-UK] > Thanks :)
[11:22] <Alex[RM-UK] > _Church_of_Foamy, I just installed Cedega on my Kubuntu box, and I cant find that Point to Play thing you were on about?
[11:22] <Alex[RM-UK] > Where about's is it?
[11:30] <Alex[RM-UK] > I download the ATI check.sh to see what version of X I have, and it wont run it says:
[11:30] <Alex[RM-UK] > You are either not running this script from the console
[11:30] <Alex[RM-UK] > or simply do not have console ownership.  Requirement failed.
[11:30] <Alex[RM-UK] > Unable to determine XFree86 Version. Stopping now.
[11:30] <Alex[RM-UK] > Im root, running it from console
[11:45] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> [amsg]  go a la plage (sea sex and sun)
[11:45] <spiral> does anyone here know if & when koffice 1.4rc1 will be packaged for hoary as beta1 was ?
[11:58] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hi,
[11:59] <Alex[RM-UK] > I need some help setting up my ATI drivers. I have got them installed by going sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglr
[11:59] <Alex[RM-UK] > I then installed the control panel by doing sudo apt-get install fglrx-control
[11:59] <Alex[RM-UK] > I restarted the computer, and saw the new icon in the Kmenu. I clicked on it and there is only 2 tabs. One Information and 1 TV out.
[12:00] <Alex[RM-UK] > How do I set up AA, OpenGL settings etc?
[12:00] <Alex[RM-UK] > Also an error comes up with I load the control panel. Saying:
[12:00] <nxv_> what exactly is in the  initrd files? i build kernels from kernel.org before, but didn't need those initrd
[12:01] <Alex[RM-UK] > Driver does not provide the FireGL X11 Extensions! Panel componetns will opertate only partily
[12:07] <markc> I've just been thru kynaptic and I didn;t find anything to do with nvidia drivers for amd64, is there some info about how to doeal with nvidia drivers under amd64 somewhere ?
[12:08] <Alex[RM-UK] > try the wiki
[12:09] <Alex[RM-UK] > http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:09] <Alex[RM-UK] > not sure if that has amd64 in it
[12:19] <markc> thanks, a search on the wiki led to a fairly specific forum posting... a bit old but enough to the idea
[12:20] <markc> bah, kynaptic crashed
[12:27] <dreumah> hello can someone help me with my repos, kynaptics keeps giving me this error but for every site, i cant update or nothing "Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)"
[12:29] <Alex[RM-UK] > markc, no problem. Kynaptic usualy crahses on me too, sometimes it doesnt even load
[12:30] <uniq> dreumah: try 'sudo apt-get update' from konsole
[12:30] <dreumah> doesnt work
[12:30] <dreumah> tried that
[12:31] <uniq> what does the error say? 
[12:31] <dreumah> tons of errors, but the last one says
[12:32] <dreumah> Could not connect to localhost:4001 (127.0.0.1). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[12:32] <uniq> ah.
[12:32] <wizzard> hi, pls how can I get KDE 3.4.1 using apt-get in Kubuntu?
[12:32] <dreumah> that is the relevant one i think
[12:32] <uniq> yes. you've been using a proxy. which doesn't run anylonger.
[12:33] <dreumah> ok how do i get rid of it
[12:33] <dreumah> i uninstall anon-proxy, as that is what i tried to use
[12:33] <dreumah> but still no luck
[12:33] <Alex[RM-UK] > wizzard, sudo apt-get install kde
[12:33] <_henning> kde3.4.1, use "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop -by"
[12:33] <markc> wizzard: deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main
[12:33] <uniq> dreumah: 'sudo grep -i proxy /etc/environment' - what does this say? 
[12:34] <dreumah> nothing, skips line and then waits for another command
[12:34] <uniq> ok, good.
[12:34] <wizzard> thank you very much, I needed that source
[12:35] <_henning> hmm, anyone who can give a little help for ftp? vsFTPD ?
[12:35] <uniq> dreumah: 'sudo grep -i proxy /etc/apt/apt.conf'
[12:35] <Goshawk> why kde3.4.1 is not on the main apt source?
[12:35] <markc> _henning> client or server ?
[12:35] <dreumah> grep: /etc/apt/apt.conf: No such file or directory
[12:35] <_henning> server
[12:35] <_henning> markc: server
[12:36] <markc> _henning> you want help with a specific one or any suggestions ?
[12:36] <uniq> dreumah: ok good, 'grep -iR /etc/apt/'
[12:37] <_henning> markc: I've just runned "apt-get remove vsftpd" now im gonna do "apt-get install vsftpd -by"
[12:37] <dreumah> it doesnt do anything
[12:37] <markc> _henning> ie; I use pure-ftpd-mysql so I can help you with that one, otherwise I can't really help
[12:38] <uniq> dreumah: ok. what does 'env|grep -i proxy' say then? 
[12:38] <_henning> markc: ok, what is should i type in apt-get?
[12:38] <dreumah> http_proxy=http://localhost:4001
[12:38] <dreumah> HTTP_PROXY=http://localhost:4001
[12:38] <uniq> there we go.
[12:39] <markc> _henning> apt-get install pure-ftpd-mysql
[12:39] <uniq> just need to find out where you have set those.
[12:39] <_henning> markc: ok
[12:39] <markc> _henning> which will also install mysql if you do not already have it onboard
[12:39] <dreumah> well would i have set that manually?
[12:40] <uniq> dreumah: did you set them manually when you installed the proxy? 
[12:40] <_henning> markc: Couldn't find package pure-ftpd-mysql
[12:40] <dreumah> no i dont think so
[12:40] <markc> _henning> the good thing about it is that you can have users and homedirs totally in mysql and nothing to do with users in /etc/passwd
[12:40] <dreumah> nah, i didnt the program did it for me
[12:40] <uniq> markc: the bad thing is that you need mysql :)
[12:41] <uniq> dreumah: ok.. give me a minute.. i'll check.
[12:41] <markc> _henning> you might have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add "universe" to the right deb line
[12:41] <dreumah> thanks
[12:41] <uniq> markc: do you remember the package name? 
[12:41] <_henning> markc: ok, but then i need the MySQL server, and if it should by remote, apache2, php4, and phpMyAdmin :P
[12:41] <markc> uniq> for what ? mysql ? = mysql-server
[12:41] <uniq> gah.. wrong nick.
[12:42] <uniq> dreumah: do you remember the package name? anon-proxy? 
[12:42] <dreumah> yeah
[12:42] <_henning> markc: im in the file, what now?
[12:42] <markc> _henning> true, but those progs are handy anyway, if you can use them for other things... phpmyadmin would be handy... pure-ftpd also comes in a version without needing mysql, but I've never used it
[12:43] <_henning> markc: ok, wanna try out with the MySQL, but what now with the list?
[12:43] <markc> _henning> uncomment the line half way down that includes universe, and apt-get update again
[12:44] <markc> _henning> deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main universe <- something like this (I added main, but that's already another line)
[12:45] <_henning> markc: arh, ok, that will work with Kubuntu?
[12:45] <markc> _henning> I just installed it... about to set it up myself
[12:45] <uniq> dreumah: try to do this: 'sudo apt-get --purge remove libxerces25'
[12:45] <_henning> markc: ok ;9
[12:45] <_henning> ;)
[12:46] <markc> _henning> if you check out kynaptic you'll notice all the extra packages not in base, they're from "universe"... so it's handy to have them available
[12:46] <markc> not in "main" I think Ishould have said
[12:47] <uniq> dreumah: and after that, test with 'sudo source /etc/environment' and 'sudo apt-get update' - everything will work cleanly after a re-login.
[12:47] <_henning> markc: yeah, it did look like something were missing...
[12:47] <_henning> markc: running "apt-get update" now
[12:48] <_henning> markc: Just installed pure now,
[12:48] <dreumah> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:48] <dreumah> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:48] <dreumah> that is the error i got
[12:49] <dreumah> try the purge
[12:49] <dreumah> trying*
[12:49] <uniq> dreumah: with sudo? 
[12:49] <markc> _henning> I set up isp systems and I use apache2 etc, courier for mail, pure-ftpd, and they all work out of mysql so users do not have shell accounts on the server
[12:49] <dreumah> yeah
[12:49] <_henning> markc: that sounds just what i want, trying to do that :D
[12:51] <markc> _henning> a full LAMP(HP) server with virtual user account ?
[12:51] <dreumah> ok one second its doing something now
[12:51] <markc> accounts
[12:51] <uniq> dreumah: 'sudo fuser -vk /var/lib/dpkg/lock' if you get that error again.
[12:52] <dreumah> its being removed
[12:52] <_henning> markc: I've read about LAMP, how do i remove my current apache2 and php? maybe MySQL to? Kinda of a newbie at linux :(
[12:53] <markc> _henning> remove them ? why... that is half a LAMP server :)
[12:54] <dreumah> it didnt purge 
[12:54] <_henning> markc: oh ok, can LAMP be D/L by apt-get?
[12:54] <dreumah> no it did
[12:54] <dreumah> but the cvs wouldnt update
[12:54] <dreumah> the source commman just gows to a next line
[12:55] <markc> _henning> LAMP = apache + mysql + php (and/or perl python)
[12:55] <dreumah> and the update error is still the same
[12:55] <uniq> dreumah: try to logout and login again.
[12:55] <markc> _henning> damn good point though, there should be a lamp-1.0.0.deb :-)
[12:56] <uniq> dreumah: wait, you said it didn't purge? 
[12:56] <_henning> markc: im okay, with FTP, apache2, php4 and MySQL
[12:56] <dreumah> no it did
[12:56] <uniq> dreumah: 'sudo dpkg -P anon-proxy'
[12:57] <dreumah> but the env|grep -i proxy still gives the same info as it did earlier
[12:57] <markc> _henning> cool, apt-get install phpmyadmin then
[12:57] <_henning> markc: how do i use and config pure-ftpd-mysql?, gonna D/L phpMyAdmin now ;)
[12:57] <hussam> Hi, I have Kubuntu installed on a 32GB hard disk. I still have 25GB empty space left. Is there anyway to move the installation + boot record to another bigger hard disk?
[12:57] <uniq> dreumah: yes, that's because you haven't relogged in. but now it's purged right? 
[12:58] <dreumah> yes
[12:58] <uniq> dreumah: when it's purged, just re-login.
[12:58] <dreumah> ok in a bit then
[12:58] <uniq> sure.
[01:00] <Alex[RM-UK] > damm ATI drivers, bliiming bitch to install
[01:00] <Alex[RM-UK] > anyone know how to set them up and get the ATI control working? Mine only shows Information and TV out tabs
[01:00] <dreumah> hey hey
[01:00] <dreumah> so the update worked
[01:00] <dreumah> thank you so much
[01:01] <dreumah> uniq
[01:02] <Alex[RM-UK] > Anyone know how to Setup ATI drivers?
[01:09] <Alex[RM-UK] > Everyone gone to the toilet at same time or something?
[01:10] <pointwood> we're not all females, so no ;)
[01:11] <Alex[RM-UK] > lol
[01:12] <Alex[RM-UK] > how do I setup ATI drivers?
[01:13] <\sh> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:13] <\sh> this is how :)
[01:14] <Alex[RM-UK] > Aye I tried that, but when I open ATI control, it says Driver does not provide the FireGL X11 Extensions! Panel componetns will opertate only partily
[01:14] <nxv_> how do i get my self compiled kernel running
[01:14] <Alex[RM-UK] > and so I cant set up OpenGL or DirectX and there is no tab for it
[01:14] <pointwood> DirectX?
[01:15] <nxv_> i included the fs i use, ext2 and ext3, devfs and the ide driver i belive my centrino notebooks uses, but i am not shure if it is the right one
[01:15] <Alex[RM-UK] > :(
[01:15] <nxv_> the kernel complains: cannot open root devie at boot
[01:15] <Alex[RM-UK] > cant set up DirectX I take it in linux ? lol
[01:15] <pointwood> directx is windows tech
[01:15] <Alex[RM-UK] > aye suppose so
[01:16] <pointwood> I would like to hear if you can get that to work in linux though ;)
[01:16] <Alex[RM-UK] > I need the XORG package, not the Xfree for ATI yes, no?
[01:16] <pointwood> I'm not familiar with the ati drivers
[01:16] <Alex[RM-UK] > :(
[01:16] <Alex[RM-UK] > oh well, lets try again
[01:16] <Alex[RM-UK] > lol
[01:16] <pointwood> just heard that they can be a PITA
[01:16] <pointwood> Nvidia is doing better in the linux drivers dept. AFAIK
[01:16] <\sh> Alex[RM-UK] : if u r using xorg, u need the xorg-driver-fglrx package.
[01:17] <Alex[RM-UK] > I dont know if I am or not
[01:17] <\sh> Alex[RM-UK] : and uhave to adjust the xorg.conf like on the wiki page described. if there is a tab in the ati management console, i don't know...i don't use this crap
[01:17] <Alex[RM-UK] > ok
[01:17] <\sh> Alex[RM-UK] : what distri? ubuntu/kubuntu hoary? then xorg
[01:17] <Alex[RM-UK] > well gotta restart,.
[01:17] <Alex[RM-UK] > Kubuntu 5.04
[01:17] <\sh> xorg-driver-fglrx
[01:17] <Alex[RM-UK] > ok
[01:17] <Alex[RM-UK] > gotta restart cya
[01:23] <Tm_T> \sh: hmm, did you uploaded newer pykde?
[01:23] <\sh> Tm_T: for breezy this morning
[01:23] <\sh> for hoary i have to recompile just now
[01:23] <Tm_T> great
[01:23] <Tm_T> thank you :)
[01:48] <\sh> Tm_T: building right now
[01:51] <Tm_T> \sh: ok, just hilight me when I should try to apt-get it ;)
[02:17] <\sh> Tm_T: ping
[02:17] <Tm_T> pong
[02:17] <\sh> http://archive.linux-server.org/hoary.php
[02:17] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:18] <Tm_T> python2.4-kde3: Depends: python2.4-qt3 (>= 3.14) but 3.13-4ubuntu2 is to be installed
[02:18] <Tm_T> =)
[02:18] <\sh> doesn't matter i think :)
[02:19] <Tm_T> well, should I force it then?
[02:19] <_henning> .
[02:19] <\sh> upp
[02:19] <\sh> yes i mean ;)
[02:20] <\sh> all this english german stuff
[02:20] <Tm_T> ok
[02:23] <willie-Turk> hi noob-kwestion-- what should I apt-get install to get Turkish language support?
[02:24] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:24] <willie-Turk> A mate set up kubuntu on my new laptop for me before I moved to Turkey and now I need the local chars
[02:24] <Tm_T> "apt-cache search turk"
[02:24] <willie-Turk> Id have done it myself but just didnt have the time
[02:24] <willie-Turk> thank you 
[02:24] <willie-Turk> apt-cache search sounds like a really useful tool
[02:25] <Tm_T> yes it is :)
[02:25] <Tm_T> \sh: ok, force-all helped, let's see if it works...
[02:25] <Tm_T> \sh: hmm, works
[02:27] <willie-Turk> thank you - truly excellent support -- its downloading now :-)
[02:27] <Tm_T> \sh: thank you :)
[02:28] <\sh> Tm_T: u r welcome :)
[02:29] <Tm_T> \sh: wanna see a screenshot?
[02:29] <\sh> Tm_T: sure :)
[02:29] <\sh> Tm_T: wasn't it working with the old package of python-kde3?
[02:30] <Tm_T> nope
[02:30] <\sh> uhh.
[02:30] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/amarok_005.png
[02:31] <Tm_T> so that album cover thingie now works
[02:31] <\sh> ah :)
[02:32] <\sh> Tm_T: nice :) it helped :)
[02:32] <Tm_T> yup
[02:32] <Tm_T> hmm, looksa like other stuff works too
[02:32] <Tm_T> -a
[02:36] <candyban> What is wrong with the kdelibs-data package?
[02:36] <KaiL_> nothing any more, but there was something ages ago
[02:37] <KaiL_> "apt-get -f install" should fix
[02:37] <uniq> make sure you've enable hoary-upadtes
[02:37] <candyban> I just installed and upgraded
[02:37] <uniq> bah.. hoary-updates
[02:37] <candyban> How do I "enable" hoary-updates?
[02:37] <candyban> I just did apt-get upgrade ...
[02:38] <candyban> I had to kill off my previous kubuntu box because my root filesystem (JFS) was getting currupted every 3-4 minutes and loosing data
[02:39] <uniq> try 'grep hoary-updates /etc/apt/sources.list' from konsole
[02:39] <candyban> When I installed kubuntu for the first time, I had a similar problem (kdelib-data) ... and it broke quite  a lot at that time
[02:40] <uniq> if the lines returned have a # infront of them hoary-updates is disabled.
[02:40] <uniq> if it doesn't return anything it's diabled too.
[02:41] <candyban> uniq: it's enabled
[02:41] <mr_roboto> cd /etc
[02:41] <uniq> ok then. 'sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade'
[02:41] <mr_roboto> ls
[02:41] <mr_roboto> oops! wrong window
[02:41] <uniq> :)
[02:41] <candyban> uniq: that's exactly what I did
[02:42] <uniq> and the problem is? kdelibs-data and knetworkconf ? 
[02:42] <candyban> kdelibs-data ... hmmz ... when I did it a second time it didn't complain anymore ...
[02:43] <uniq> then it's not a problem.
[02:43] <uniq> bbl. movie.
[02:56] <_henning> .
[02:57] <_henning> ../
[03:00] <Tm_T> \sh: hehe, now if I "apt-get upgrade" it tries to remove pykde because of dependencies :p
[03:00] <Tm_T> ok, hold on it
[03:00] <\sh> w8
[03:01] <Tm_T> hmm
[03:01] <Tm_T> no, why if I set them to hold, it still try to remove them
[03:02] <\sh> recompile
[03:02] <\sh> Tm_T: i fixed the deps
[03:03] <\sh> and recompile
[03:03] <Tm_T> ok
[03:04] <_henning> 
[03:22] <jkeel> does anybody know how to obtain qt designer for Kubuntu?
[03:23] <\sh> sudo apt-get install qt3-apps-dev
[03:29] <jkeel> \sh: I think I've already done that...lemme try again
[03:30] <jkeel> \sh: ahh...I see my problem. I removed some repos from my sources.list because the US server was down. I forgot to re-add them, so the packages don't show up ;)
[03:38] <Tm_T> \sh: hmm, so there's another fixed version of debs now?
[03:38] <\sh> Tm_T: just now uploading
[03:39] <Tm_T> ok
[03:39] <dreumah> hi i want to use amarok but it doesnt have a sound engine
[03:39] <Tm_T> dreumah: install gstreamer ;)
[03:39] <Tm_T> or xine
[03:40] <dreumah> amarok-gstreamer?
[03:40] <Tm_T> yup
[03:41] <Tm_T> and gstreamer plugins
[03:41] <dreumah> all of them?
[03:41] <Tm_T> the ones you need
[03:42] <jkeel> Tm_T: do you know what amaroK uses by default on Kubuntu?
[03:43] <jkeel> Tm_T: playback works just fine for me...without an engine that I know of
[03:43] <Tm_T> jkeel: gstreamer or arts
[03:43] <Tm_T> propably gst
[03:43] <Tm_T> jkeel: check from settings ;)
[03:44] <\sh> Tm_T: update 
[03:44] <_henning> anyone know how to setup pure-ftpd?
[03:45] <dreumah> my playback doesnt work at all
[03:45] <jkeel> Tm_T: I did. that's what's funny. The Engine tab doesn't show that I'm using an engine
[03:46] <anemiat1> If I install Kubuntu will I be able to use the 855 resolution deb package as in ubuntu?
[03:46] <Tm_T> \sh: ok
[03:46] <jkeel> dreumah: that's weird. I'm on a default Kubuntu install..and it works just fine
[03:47] <Tm_T> \sh: python2.4-kde3: Depends: python2.4-qt3 (>= 3.14) but 3.13-4ubuntu2 is installed
[03:47] <\sh> i changed it
[03:47] <Tm_T> I'll force it
[03:47] <dreumah> hmm
[03:47] <\sh> what version?
[03:47] <Tm_T> well, I think the newest =)
[03:47] <\sh> ubuntu4?
[03:48] <\sh> u did apt-get update?
[03:48] <Tm_T> yup
[03:49] <Tm_T> \sh: well, I used dpkg -i package.deb and it worked
[03:49] <dreumah> jkeel: i don know why it is not working now i have two engines and both are silent when i tey to play
[03:50] <Tm_T> \sh: so no conflicts anymore
[03:50] <\sh> python2.4-qt3 (>=3.13)
[03:50] <\sh> try to do this
[03:50] <\sh> apt-get remove python2.4-kde3
[03:50] <\sh> first and then update and reinstall
[03:51] <Tm_T> ok
[03:51] <anemiat1> If I install Kubuntu will I be able to use the 855 resolution deb package as in ubuntu???
[03:52] <Tm_T> \sh: now it worked
[03:52] <Tm_T> \sh: that python-kde3 package have one issue too
[03:53] <dreumah> ok i selected the gstreamer engine and used the alsasink and now its working
[03:53] <jkeel> dreumah: are you sure your audio setup works otherwise?
[03:54] <jkeel> dreumah: sweet
[03:54] <dreumah> i still wonder why it didnt work with oss 
[03:54] <\sh> Tm_T: which one?
[03:55] <jkeel> dreumah: does Kubuntu even use OSS..?
[03:55] <jkeel> I don't know
[03:56] <Tm_T> \sh: python-kde3: Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4.1-0ubuntu2 is installed
[03:56] <dreumah> dunno, but gstreamer had the osssink selected
[03:56] <dreumah> and it didnt work
[03:56] <jkeel> hmm
[03:57] <Tm_T> I use gst w/ osssink
[03:58] <dreumah> thats odd
[03:58] <\sh> Tm_T: oh sh*t yes..this is also wrong for breezy :(
[03:58] <\sh> Tm_T: thx
[03:58] <Tm_T> =)
[03:59] <Tm_T> I'm glad if I can help
[03:59] <_henning> how can i get me desktop to look like MAC, or some other fancy looks?
[04:00] <DaBlade> Hello. 
[04:00] <dreumah> kde-look.org
[04:00] <ralf> hi
[04:00] <dreumah> henning
[04:00] <dreumah> you can download themes from there
[04:00] <_henning> where?
[04:00] <DaBlade> How do I mount my MP3 player? sudo mount /dev/sda1  (or sda, sda2, sdb, sdb1 etc...)
[04:01] <DaBlade> those don't work
[04:01] <dreumah> thats external harddisk i though
[04:01] <dreumah> t
[04:01] <dreumah> sda
[04:01] <jkeel> _henning: kde-look.org
[04:01] <_henning> dreamah: then 3.2 + ?
[04:01] <DaBlade> they used to work
[04:01] <snowseal> lo
[04:01] <dreumah> yeah
[04:01] <snowseal> how would i log a users shell commands ?
[04:02] <dreumah> there are some mac like themes
[04:02] <\sh> Tm_T: i won't fix it for hoary directly, first let me check breezy
[04:02] <jkeel> snowseal: they're generally already logged in the .bash_history
[04:02] <dreumah> henning: or go straight to the theme manager thing
[04:03] <DaBlade> hello? anyone?
[04:03] <Tm_T> \sh: ok, it's just metapackage afaik
[04:03] <dreumah> i think you can use juk to mount mp3 players
[04:03] <dreumah> but i ham not sure
[04:03] <snowseal> jkeel,  can i protect that file from deleting or tampering>
[04:03] <DaBlade> I don't have JuK. (I prefer amaroK and Xine)
[04:03] <dreumah> i think amarok can do it too
[04:04] <DaBlade> only for ipods I think
[04:04] <dreumah> try the media device
[04:04] <DaBlade> ?
[04:04] <dreumah> in the amarok side menu
[04:04] <_henning> ok, i wanna try this: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=1499
[04:04] <candyban> Hi guys
[04:05] <DaBlade> hi candyban
[04:05] <Tm_T> DaBlade: install amaroK from svn ;)
[04:05] <_henning> then i get to download something like *.rpm
[04:05] <candyban> Anyone familiar with setting up LDAP authentication in kubuntu? ... I managed to set it up yesteday, but my root partition (JFS) kind of crashed ...
[04:05] <F_for_Fragging> _henning: http://baghira.sourceforge.net/
[04:05] <candyban> so I reinstalled, but now I can't get it working anymore ...
[04:05] <Tm_T> yuuuk baghira
[04:05] <candyban> Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info.
[04:05] <jkeel> snowseal: I'm not sure...it's by default owned by the user in whose home folder it resides
[04:05] <DaBlade> Tm_T: It won't even build the stable version. There's something about the new version that makes it un-compilable for me
[04:05] <DaBlade> the previous version works fine
[04:05] <F_for_Fragging> _henning: that's a mac look, just do apt-get install kwin-baghira
[04:06] <Tm_T> strange
[04:06] <snowseal> jkeel,  and the home dir itself is owned by the user, so he can delete files in it.
[04:07] <_henning> fraggin: ok!
[04:07] <jkeel> snowseal: it looks like you could just 'sudo chmod root .bash_history' to keep the user from deleting it
[04:07] <DaBlade> anyway, any other ways of mounting it?
[04:09] <_henning> fraggin: I've done that, what now?
[04:09] <candyban> ok ... nevermind ... it works now
[04:09] <DaBlade> http://supermount-ng.sourceforge.net/ <--that doesn't look like a good idea, because the kernel I use doesn't seem to support it.
[04:09] <F_for_Fragging> _henning: go to the KDE Control Center, Appearence -> Window Decoration
[04:09] <_henning> ok
[04:09] <candyban> I had use_firstpass or something in common-auth
[04:10] <F_for_Fragging> _henning: this is my desktop with baghira - http://www.xs4all.nl/~vanlonen/kbdesktop.jpg - note that I also use some superkaramba thmes and that I changed KDE's colors :)
 here's my desktop. not baghira, but I hope you guys like it. opinions? www.freewebtown.com/dablade/snapshot19.png </showoffmode>
[04:13] <_henning> fragging: that awesome :D Just that, i a beginner at linux... But that what i've got in mind :D
[04:13] <_henning>  fragging: that awesome :D Just that, i a beginner at linux... But that what i've got in mind :D
[04:13] <_henning> fragging: that awesome :D Just that, i a beginner at linux... But that what i've got in mind :D
[04:14] <DaBlade> henning, are you norwegian? (henning is a norwegian name)
[04:14] <F_for_Fragging> nothing is wrong with my short term memory, if you say things only once it will be enough ;)
[04:15] <_henning> DaBlade: How do you make the "bar" in the left?
[04:15] <DaBlade> bar?
[04:16] <neko> I'm guessing he means the sttatistics monitor type thing
[04:16] <DaBlade> oh
[04:16] <F_for_Fragging> I just installed baghia, messed with baghira's settings and changed the colors, installed the Liquid Weather Plus and Aero AOI superkaramba themes
[04:16] <DaBlade> It's a superkaramba theme
[04:16] <_henning> apt-get install superkaramba ?
[04:16] <DaBlade> On KDE-Look, search for XtremeKstatus
[04:17] <DaBlade> It was originally written by karraskal, but I modified the theme pretty heavily
[04:17] <DaBlade> yeah you need superkaramba to run the theme
[04:17] <F_for_Fragging> _henning: if you install superkaramba with APT you'll install version 0.35
[04:18] <_henning> okay?
[04:18] <DaBlade> better compile it then
[04:18] <F_for_Fragging> _henning: and 0.35 will not work very well with certain themes
[04:18] <neko> how about the satalite image?
[04:18] <F_for_Fragging> _henning: so I compiled the source of 0.36 myself
[04:18] <DaBlade> neko: meteosat. someone posted it on kde-look two days ago or so
[04:18] <_henning> is there a BIG difference?
[04:18] <jkeel> does anyone know why amaroK's built-in streaming radio stations never work 
[04:19] <DaBlade> they work for me
[04:19] <jkeel> ?
[04:19] <DaBlade> I often listen to Hardcore Regime Radio
[04:19] <DaBlade> And Digitally Imported's Progressive Techno stream
[04:19] <F_for_Fragging> with superkaramba 0.35 liquid weather ++ theme I use didn't work, so I was forced to compile 0.36
[04:19] <neko> MDK is starting to annoy me
[04:19] <neko> <.<;;
[04:20] <_henning> okay
[04:20] <F_for_Fragging> I also like to listen to digitally imported's streams, I like techno
[04:20] <jkeel> DaBlade: they never seem to work for me
[04:20] <DaBlade> me too, but I prefer Hardcore REgime
[04:21] <DaBlade> jkeel: Get a new DNS server or better ISP ;)
[04:21] <jkeel> DaBlade: they never worked on my Gentoo install, and they still don't work on my Kubuntu install..it says the host cannot be found
[04:22] <_henning> fragging: How can i get this to work; http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=1499
[04:22] <DaBlade> then get a new DNS server
[04:22] <DaBlade> that sounds like a DNS error
[04:22] <jkeel> heh. amaroK just locked up trying to play teh Bluemars stream
[04:23] <jkeel> DaBlade: I am on dial-up, so that could possibly be it
[04:23] <DaBlade> _henning: www.xpde.org
[04:23] <jkeel> but other streaming stations work fine
[04:23] <DaBlade> possibly
[04:23] <jkeel> even on dial-up
[04:23] <F_for_Fragging> _henning:  I thought you wanted a Mac look? anyway, I'm not sure, but if you downloaded that theme as a tar.gz file maybe you'll have to compile it yourself
[04:23] <DaBlade> get a new DNS then, and see if it works. 
[04:24] <_henning> fraggind: Mac or fancy :P, but the site you gave says "Hier entsteht die Domain xpde.org "
[04:24] <DaBlade> oh..hold
[04:24] <DaBlade> my mistake
[04:24] <DaBlade> it was xpde.com
[04:24] <_henning> ;)
[04:29] <_henning> fragging: then i get this link: http://www.xpde.com/releases/xpde-0.5.0.tar.gz
[04:33] <dreumah> any one have the chess game kknights working?
[04:33] <dreumah> if so how?
[04:33] <jkeel> dreumah: I know you have to install an engine like crafty
[04:36] <dreumah> from where?
[04:36] <dreumah> isnt there a package out there, i know there is for knoppic
[04:36] <dreumah> knoppix
[04:37] <F_for_Fragging> _henning: sorry but i can't help you because i don't use that theme, I don't know how to install it
[04:37] <jkeel> dreumah: hmm...not sure
[04:38] <_henning> okay
[04:38] <jkeel> dreumah: gnuchess is available as a package. I'm not sure if that engine works with knights or not
[04:38] <dreumah> it does
[04:38] <candyban> NOOOOOOOOO .... I lost 50 GB of pr0n ... CRAPPY JFS ... never will I use JFS again
[04:39] <candyban> Anyone know who ported/invented JFS? I would really love to punch him in the nose
[04:39] <buz> dude, jfs generally doesnt lose data
[04:40] <buz> it's used on some of the most badass servers out there
[04:40] <buz> tho personally i use xfs as it's better balanced for speed
[04:40] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hi,
[04:40] <dreumah> jkeel: should i try installing gnuchess and then compiling the game from the site?
[04:40] <Alex[RM-UK] > How do I check what version Kernel I have, I think it's 2.6 but not sure
[04:41] <jkeel> dreumah: I suppose so, since knights isn't available as a package
[04:42] <candyban> buz: my ROOT partition was corrupted every 3-4 minutes ... I had to fsck it cos it would go into read-only mode every time ... when reinstalling kubuntu there was the JFS root partition and 56 GB "unpartitioned space" ... 
[04:42] <buz> are you sure it's not the drive that's slowly dying
[04:42] <buz> sure sounds like it
[04:42] <dreumah> jkeel: i shall do that then
[04:43] <candyban> buz: smartmontools say everything is A-OK
[04:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > How to I check my Kernel version?
[04:43] <candyban> Alex[RM-UK] : uname -r
[04:43] <buz> smart doesn't know shit if you ask me
[04:43] <buz> of course, it could be jfs but i don't think it's bloody likely
[04:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > candyban,  Thanks
[04:43] <dreumah> jkeel: i ll tell you the results
[04:43] <buz> my primary use for smart is figuring out hd temps
[04:44] <buz> and that doesnt work behind raid controllers, either :(
[04:44] <candyban> buz: it's the first time I use JFS ... and the third time I ever lost a partition ... other times were on other machines (both using ext3)
[04:45] <jkeel> dreumah: thanks. I might want to install knights
[04:46] <buz> wtf
[04:46] <buz> i never ever lost a partition
[04:46] <buz> not without failing hardware, anyway
[04:46] <buz> i'd use xfs
[04:47] <candyban> buz: I have a mixture of xfs, reiserfs and ext3 at the moment
[04:47] <candyban> buz: and I honestly think I don't have failing hardware
[04:48] <buz> reiser is the devil
[04:48] <buz> THAT beast would corrupt my files left and right
[04:48] <buz> mhh pdfs look fucked up lately but print properly
[04:48] <buz> WTF
[04:49] <buz> seems to happen since the kde 3.4.1 update
[04:49] <candyban> Is kde using gcc 4 already?
[04:50] <\sh> candyban: in breezy yes
[04:51] <candyban> Oh ... also an LVM2 (striping 2 disks) disappeared once (lost 320 GB that day)
[04:51] <candyban> With that track record one would think one has good backup ... but guess again :(
[04:53] <buz> striping is about the most stupid thing to do
[04:54] <candyban> buz: Not when you don't want to loose too much diskspace and gain some performance increase
[04:54] <buz> pff
[04:54] <buz> rather have two drives then
[04:54] <candyban> buz: I have 7
[04:54] <buz> separate instead of striped i mean
[04:54] <buz> i got like 8 drives or so here
[04:55] <gdh> I have over a dozen, but they're mostly 1GB in a box in the attic :)
[04:56] <gdh> that's a sealed cardboard box, kids.,, not some insane RAID-in-the-roof-router event :)
[04:56] <candyban> /dev/md0: Timing buffered disk reads:  200 MB in  3.01 seconds =  66.46 MB/sec
[04:56] <candyban> /dev/hda: Timing buffered disk reads:  136 MB in  3.03 seconds =  44.88 MB/sec
[04:56] <buz> i mean halfway current drives
[04:56] <dreumah> hey i tried to install knights and i got so far as it needing x, and i got this error any help? checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your ins                 tallation and add the correct paths!
[04:57] <buz> i must have as many failed deathstars in a package somewhere
[04:57] <gdh> hehe :)) The IBM 'nine to five drive' :)
[04:58] <candyban> buz: ah ... now I understand the deathstar ;) ...
[04:59] <buz> nine to five? more like "your data's gravedigger"
[04:59] <gdh> yeh I know - but didn't IBM officially say at one point that they only guaranteed the drive to run for approx 8 hours a day and that it wasn't suitable for 24 hr ?
[05:00] <candyban> gdh: yeah ... it's in the warranty
[05:00] <gdh> insanity....
[05:01] <buz> i thought they even got a classaction suit for those crap drives
[05:01] <buz> apropos, does anybody know if the ipod classaction applies to europe, too?
[05:01] <buz> probably not
[05:01] <Tm_T> dreumah: hmm, you must install X devs?
[05:02] <candyban> buz: isn't that because they admitted they couldn't cope with demand so they shipped rejected drives (the ones which didn't pass their tests)
[05:02] <buz> dunno
[05:02] <buz> i generally dont bother with rma
[05:02] <buz> much time, little gain
[05:02] <buz> i just make mental notes not to buy from some company again
[05:05] <dreumah> thanks i am doing so at the moment
[05:06] <dreumah> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[05:06] <dreumah> For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
[05:06] <dreumah> this is what is give me after i install x devs
[05:06] <uniq> dreumah: install kdelibs4-dev
[05:07] <dreumah> and then it should work
[05:07] <dreumah> has nobody tried this before? knights is a great chess app
[05:11] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hi
[05:11] <Alex[RM-UK] > I managed to install my ATI drivers :>
[05:11] <Alex[RM-UK] > But does anyone know how to edit my Open GL settings?
[05:18] <uniq> dreumah: make clean; ./configure --prefix=/usr
[05:20] <uniq> dreumah: make clean in the source directory.
[05:22] <segfault2k> wazap
[05:22] <gdh> NULL
[05:42] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hi
[05:42] <Alex[RM-UK] > Does anyone know of a good windows emulator that will let me run Photoshop and GTA Vice city
[05:42] <Alex[RM-UK] > cedega I tried but it doesn't seem to run photoshop :(
[05:42] <segfault2k> use cedega for games
[05:43] <segfault2k> and cxoffice for apps
[05:43] <segfault2k> cxoffice runs photoshop 7
[05:43] <segfault2k> perfectly
[05:43] <segfault2k> cs and cs2 not yet afaik
[05:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > is cxoffice Cross Over Office ?
[05:43] <segfault2k> yup
[05:44] <Alex[RM-UK] > Ok, I shall try that now
[05:50] <Alex[RM-UK] > and is Cross Over Code Weaver? or something of the sort
[05:51] <Firetech> it's CodeWeavers CrossOver Office, so yes.
[05:51] <segfault2k> search in a torrent tracker :P
[05:51] <Firetech> www.codeweavers.com
[05:52] <Alex[RM-UK] > I tried isohunt, but my new ATI drivers don't seem to like Firefox, everytime I scroll down on there site, the whole torrent section moves down with me....so I cant catch it :P
[05:52] <Firetech> Alex[RM-UK] : Heard of tuxwarez?
[05:53] <Alex[RM-UK] > Nope,
[05:53] <Alex[RM-UK] > googling now
[05:53] <segfault2k> tuxwarez?
[05:53] <segfault2k> wtfit?
[05:53] <Firetech> yup
[05:53] <Firetech> torrent tracker with only (or most) linux stuff
[05:53] <Alex[RM-UK] > I take it ... torrents but in Linux format, no exe
[05:53] <Alex[RM-UK] > :)
[05:56] <Firetech> more like torrents which are interresting for linux users, I think they have some linux->windows stuff
[05:57] <Firetech> e.g. vmware
[05:57] <Firetech> What is freenode's warez talk policy btw?
[05:58] <ilba7r> any one know how to set wirless net on ubuntu
[05:58] <gdh> everything's logged, and we'll hunt you down when you're asleep =)
[05:58] <Tm_T> try www.freenode.net
[05:59] <Alex[RM-UK] > OH crap, installing Vice city with cedega....it asks for data3.cab ... so I couldnt eject CD so I put it in my second CD drive which HAS data3.cab on it......it then goes NONONO I dont want data3.cab....I changed my mine, I want data4.cab - Which doesnt exsit in vice city
[05:59] <uniq> firetech: don't distribute warez-things in here please.
[05:59] <Firetech> ok
[05:59] <Firetech> I didn't know what the policy was.. Won't do it again.
[06:00] <Alex[RM-UK] > why dont my Eject buttons work on my CD drive? I keep having to right click on the icon and clicking eject
[06:00] <Firetech> Now I know, freenode's against it.
[06:00] <gdh> Alex[RM-UK] : It's because you ain't in Redmond any more :)
[06:01] <Firetech> http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#offtopic
[06:01] <Alex[RM-UK] > Redmond??
[06:01] <segfault2k> ahha
[06:01] <segfault2k> this is not Kansas
[06:01] <segfault2k> xD
[06:01] <Alex[RM-UK] > Kansas?
[06:02] <Alex[RM-UK] > ^^
[06:02] <segfault2k> Alex[RM-UK] : you have to unmount it first
[06:02] <segfault2k> :P
[06:02] <Firetech> Alex[RM-UK] : Redmond is where Microsoft is (oops, bad word...)
[06:02] <Alex[RM-UK] > Oh I see, 
[06:02] <Firetech> everything Windows(r) related in KDE is caleld Redmond
[06:02] <Firetech> *called
[06:03] <Firetech> Splash screens and  styles etc.
[06:03] <Alex[RM-UK] > I wondered why the XP style login screen was caleld Redmound
[06:03] <Firetech> :P
[06:03] <Tm_T> mound =)
[06:03] <Firetech> that's why
[06:03] <apollo2011> Where do I put files once I have Apache installed? I put the mediawiki files in the /srv files but it doesn't show up.
[06:03] <Alex[RM-UK] > I know, felt like adding in an extra letter
[06:03] <Alex[RM-UK] > ^^
[06:03] <Alex[RM-UK] > lets try this Vice city install again then 
[06:03] <Firetech> Alex[RM-UK] : That's forbidden.
[06:04] <Alex[RM-UK] > :(
[06:04] <Firetech> You will now be assimilated.
[06:04] <Firetech> ;)
[06:04] <Alex[RM-UK] > noooor
[06:04] <Alex[RM-UK] > Me brew........get a spooooooooooooooon
[06:04] <Firetech> oh, you did it again.
[06:04] <Alex[RM-UK] > :(
[06:04] <Alex[RM-UK] > :)
[06:04] <Firetech> :P
[06:04] <Tm_T> kids...
[06:04] <Firetech> Wonder what freenode's policy against adding extra letters
[06:05] <Firetech> I would consider that an off-topic activity.
[06:05] <Alex[RM-UK] > haha, Vialation of the Anal I suspect :S
[06:05] <Firetech> well well, jokes over.
[06:05] <gdh> I expect John6000 will be along in a minute....
[06:07] <Firetech> gdh: who is that?
[06:08] <gdh> Just another 'regular' here :)
[06:08] <Firetech> ok
[06:08] <Firetech> I've only been here for about two weeks...
[06:09] <Firetech> two weeks yesterday according to my logs.
[06:11] <Alex[RM-UK] > Grr, it keeps asking for data4.cab which doesnt exsist!
[06:23] <jajaj> hello?
[06:23] <Firetech> hello.
[06:24] <jajaj> what is this?
[06:24] <Firetech> a channel for www.kubuntu.org
[06:24] <jajaj> what do u do here then?
[06:25] <Firetech> chat about the wonderful linux and help eachother?
[06:25] <jajaj> wow
[06:25] <jajaj> well i'm new to this linux stuf
[06:25] <jajaj> so i guess it's ok to ask questions here then?
[06:26] <Firetech> absolutely.
[06:26] <jajaj> but why am i thew only one typing?
[06:26] <Firetech> Because the other ones don't have the courage...
[06:26] <Firetech> They are afraid of newcomers ;)
[06:27] <jajaj> h
[06:27] <jajaj> ok that's bad :P
[06:27] <Firetech> Honestly, I don't know
[06:27] <jajaj> ok
[06:27] <jajaj> is there some equal to msn in kubuntu?
[06:28] <Firetech> yup
[06:28] <Firetech> kopete
[06:28] <Firetech> K > Internet > Kopete
[06:28] <Firetech> It can handle ICQ and some other protocols too.
[06:28] <apollo2011> What file does Apache2 load for PHP support? I want to setup mediawiki on my pc but it require php support, and when I load the index.php, it tries to download it
[06:29] <Firetech> apollo2011: have you got php installed?
[06:29] <jajaj> thx for the help :D
[06:29] <apollo2011> yeah
[06:29] <Firetech> "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 reload" then
[06:30] <Firetech> jajaj: np, fellow Swede ;)
[06:30] <_Church_of_FoamY> does anyone know of a good weather app for kubuntu
[06:30] <apollo2011> Firetech: I reloaded it should it work now when I open the php file in Firefox?
[06:31] <Firetech> there is liquid weather for (super)karamba
[06:31] <uniq> and there is kweather too.
[06:31] <jajaj> are u from sweden? :)
[06:31] <Firetech> apollo2011: you can check if it gets loaded in the config files in /etc/apache2
[06:31] <Firetech> jajaj: Skne, to be exact.
[06:31] <_Church_of_FoamY> how do you get kweather to work? 
[06:31] <jajaj> is it ok to talk swedish? :)
[06:32] <Firetech> apt-get install kweather?
[06:32] <_Church_of_FoamY> i have it but can't seem to find it in my kbar
[06:32] <_Church_of_FoamY> i have
[06:32] <Firetech> jajaj: Why do you think I'm talking English?
[06:32] <jajaj> Firetech: ok, sry :P
[06:33] <uniq> _church_of_foamy: rightclick on the panel and add weather report? 
[06:33] <Firetech> What uniq said...
[06:33] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh ok got it lol
[06:33] <apollo2011> Firetech:
[06:33] <apollo2011> #AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
[06:33] <apollo2011> #AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps
[06:33] <_Church_of_FoamY> whats liquid weather how to get?
[06:33] <Firetech> _Church_of_FoamY: it sits on your desktop
[06:33] <Firetech> available at kde-look.org
[06:34] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh is it called wmweather+?
[06:34] <wizzard> does anybody know, where can I get the latest packages of Krusader and Firefox?
[06:34] <Firetech> apollo2011: remove those #, it's commented out...
[06:34] <uniq> wizzard: universe and/or backports.
[06:34] <wizzard> what do you mean?
[06:34] <uniq> take a look at http://ubuntuguide.org#extrarepositories
[06:35] <apollo2011> FIretech; oh lol I didn't even realize that lol
[06:35] <uniq> there you have universe and backports.
[06:35] <wizzard> I will try
[06:35] <Firetech> apollo2011: you need to do some kind of LoadModule too
[06:36] <Firetech> I'm running a custom compiled PHP 5 so I don't know the exact syntax
[06:36] <apollo2011> Firetech: yeah that doesn't change it...even after reloading apache2
[06:36] <apollo2011> ill try on the #php channel
[06:36] <Firetech> wise idea ;)
[06:37] <_Church_of_FoamY> is superkaramba free?
[06:37] <uniq> sure.
[06:37] <_Church_of_FoamY> ^_^
[06:37] <Firetech> apollo2011:  it might be "LoadModule php4_module        /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so" in httpd.conf
[06:38] <Firetech> _Church_of_FoamY: apt-get it.
[06:38] <apollo2011> FIretech: ill try that...
[06:38] <shiv> how do I open konsole in su mode?
[06:39] <_Church_of_FoamY> how to install a .deb file?
[06:39] <jajaj> why does Kopete say that my msn pass is incorrect when i'm sertain it's right?
[06:40] <gdh> jajaj: Because you need to upgrade Kopete to include the latest fixes for MSN...
[06:40] <jajaj> ok, thx
[06:41] <gdh> jajaj: really the first question to ask yourself before reporting an issue is always 'am I using the latest release?' :)
[06:41] <_Church_of_FoamY> LINUX ROCKS ^_^
[06:42] <shiv> how do I open konsole in su mode?
[06:42] <gdh> shiv: sudo -i
[06:42] <_george> i'm trying to install new nvidia drivers and the thing says i need the kernel source tables, how do i get those, anybody know?
[06:43] <Firetech> jajaj: press alt+f2 > type in "sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list" (without the ") > remove the "#" characters in front of the lines which contain "hoary-updates" and "hoary-security" then save.
[06:43] <gdh> _george: You probably just need the kernel headers package.
[06:43] <Firetech> I'm not sure if hoary-security is disabled, but anyway.
[06:44] <gdh> _george: what kernel do you have installed? 'uname -a' will tell you
[06:44] <_george> Linux kubuntu 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Fri May 20 13:52:48 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:44] <gdh> probably 2.6.10-5-386  ?
[06:44] <gdh> heh
[06:44] <_george> yeah
[06:44] <gdh> apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[06:44] <gdh> that should be enough :)
[06:45] <Firetech> jajaj: then open kynaptic in the menu and do an upgrade
[06:45] <_Church_of_FoamY> weard all of my browsers say http://www.superkaramba.com/ isen't real :/
[06:46] <apollo2011> Firetech: the one you gave me AND the one on the php.net site doen
[06:46] <apollo2011> work
[06:46] <_george> ok, i'm gonna try this stuff, thanks all
[06:46] <apollo2011> don't work
[06:47] <Firetech> apollo2011: do a "sudo updatedb" (wait some minutes), then a "locate php42
[06:47] <Firetech> *"locate php4"
[06:48] <apollo2011> ok
[06:48] <wizzard> if I have uncommented all the original lines from apt-get configuration file, do I need some another sources to get KDE 3.4.1?
[06:48] <Firetech> wizzard: you  SHOULD NOT uncomment the rest
[06:48] <wizzard> why?
[06:48] <Firetech> jus add the "deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main" line in the bottom
[06:49] <wizzard> I want more soft that just original distro has
[06:49] <Firetech> duh
[06:49] <uniq> uncommenting is no problem.
[06:49] <Firetech> *bangs his head*
[06:49] <wizzard> yep, but I want also progs like mc or Krusader
[06:49] <uniq> firetech just misunderstood you :)
[06:49] <Firetech> thought wrong
[06:49] <Firetech> I thought tou wanted to comment the out ;)
[06:50] <uniq> wizzard: follow the ubuntuguide.org and add the source firetech pasted here.
[06:50] <Firetech> uncomment the lines and add "deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main"
[06:50] <wizzard> I uncommented all the lines and it works fine...
[06:50] <uniq> then you'll get new krusader and kde 3.4.1 and all.
[06:50] <wizzard> it is necessary to add also s line "deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main"?
[06:50] <Firetech> wizzard: I misunderstood you/thouight completely wrong...
[06:50] <Firetech> yes
[06:51] <Firetech> else you won't get kde 3.4.1, just an updated 3.4.0
[06:51] <wizzard> I see that they has only Krusader 1.5.1
[06:51] <wizzard> the newest is 1.6.0...
[06:52] <Firetech> is krusader an official KDE app?
[06:52] <wizzard> nope? :) does not matter, it is a good app
[06:52] <Firetech> then it isn't in the 3.4.1 repository
[06:52] <Firetech> It's pretty neat, yes
[06:53] <Firetech> I grew up with norton commander ;)
[06:53] <wizzard> is is great, unlike that mc
[06:53] <Firetech> gotta go eat.
[06:54] <wizzard> see ya :p
[06:54] <uniq> krusader is in universe.
[06:54] <wizzard> yep
[06:55] <wizzard> what does it mean when I get this message? cannot connect to X server :0.0
[06:55] <wizzard> I try to run some app from Konsole
[06:55] <gdh> wizzard:  means you probably wanted to run the app as root via 'sudo appname'
[06:56] <wizzard> yep, that was the reason
[06:56] <uniq> wizzard: run 'xhost local:' as the user running X.
[06:56] <uniq> and try again.
[06:57] <wizzard> its strange, it worked in Slack, when I was as a root, whatever
[06:58] <wizzard> has anybody tried to get KDE and GNOME working in Kubuntu?
[06:58] <uniq> wizzard: did you do as i said? and try again? 
[06:58] <wizzard> I just logged out, and it worked
[06:58] <uniq> wizzard: sure.. apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and you have gnome.
[06:59] <wizzard> fine... and what about fonts? everything works fine?
[07:00] <uniq> it should.
[07:00] <wizzard> brb
[07:05] <wizzard> hm, it seems that Kubuntu is not so bad
[07:09] <wizzard> what about xfce? is there some simple trick to get it all?
[07:13] <dreumah> uniq: how do i uninstall that package
[07:13] <dreumah> seeing that is doesnt work
[07:14] <apollo2011> Firetech: It must be something else. I got PHP Loaded, but it still can't display the file correctly, so I put an index.html and it won't display that either.
[07:19] <uniq> dreumah: apt-get --purge remove knights
[07:20] <wizzard> pls, does anybody have a location to download Firefox 1.0.4 using apt-get? I did not find it
[07:25] <dreumah> uniq: my windows are not working properly now
[07:26] <uniq> explain what's wrong.
[07:27] <dreumah> well they mimik the error of what happened when i run knights for the first time
[07:30] <uniq> tried to logout and login again? 
[07:30] <osh_> wizzard: apparently you should update firefox from within firefox. The little button next to the "load indicator" at the top right of the screen.
[07:30] <uniq> ls
[07:30] <uniq> ops.
[07:30] <wizzard> it works in Windoze, but not in Linux, I should have original deb package
[07:33] <dreumah> also my firefox closes when i go to flash sites
[07:35] <uniq> dreumah: flash isn't well supported on amd64. you could try 'sudo apt-get install libflash-mozplugin'
[07:35] <uniq> wizzard: you can get a newer firefox from the backports project. follow the guide at http://ubuntuguide.org#extrarepositories and do an upgrade.
[07:36] <wizzard> I will try
[07:38] <wizzard> it seems it works :p
[07:38] <buz> anybody remember the command to autogenerate grub config files?
[07:39] <gdh> dpkg-reconfigure grub ?
[07:39] <uniq> update-grub
[07:39] <uniq> i guess.
[07:39] <uniq> something like that.
[07:40] <buz> ah yeah that was it
[07:40] <buz> thx
[07:40] <buz> i hate lilo
[07:40] <buz> it needs to go
[07:40] <uniq> yaboot is nice. :)
[07:40] <buz> im fine with grub
[07:41] <buz> i want to mess with the kernel and grub is definitely better suited for that
[07:41] <uniq> it sure is.
[07:42] <buz> specifically, i'm trying to mess with the cool and quiet voltages if anyone ever did that...
[07:42] <gdh> ... and lived to tell the tale. :)
[07:44] <buz> mhh it cant be that hard
[07:44] <buz> there are at least two working windows solutions for it 
[07:44] <mellow> buz, i hate grub, because it writes all necessary information onto /boot. So if you got a filesystem damage on that device, you got a problem
[07:45] <buz> i haven't seen xfs go bad so far
[07:45] <buz> and i did a lot of evil stuff to it
[07:46] <wizzard> omg, I installed that backport Firefox 1.0.4, I want to download some themes and it offers me the "latest" version of Firefox to download first
[07:47] <morodo> olaaaaaaaaaaaa a todosssssss
[07:47] <morodo> alguien me alluda
[07:47] <buz> wizzard: known problem
[07:47] <buz> read the bugtraq posting it offers to you
[07:48] <wizzard> :(
[07:48] <wizzard> what?
[07:48] <morodo> howto install xmule in kubuntu
[07:49] <gdh> morodo: the same way you install any software package in kubuntu
[07:49] <gdh> you will need to enable the 'universe' repository first...
[07:49] <morodo> what is de comand to install programs??? 
[07:49] <gdh> all this is covered on http://www.ubuntuguide.org 
[07:50] <morodo> eske nose nada ed linux soy nuevo
[07:50] <gdh> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories etc.
[07:50] <gdh> morodo: Read ubuntuguide if you're new to Linux :)
[07:50] <Tm_T> rtfm! ] ;=
[07:50] <Tm_T> ;---P
[07:50] <gdh> Tm_T: I at least try to be civil :)
[07:51] <Tm_T> haha
[07:51] <Tm_T> just joking
[07:51] <gdh> =)
[07:52] <buz> sheesh my desktop just crashed
[07:52] <buz> now what do i do to get it back?
[07:53] <gdh> buz: That's, er, a bit vague....
[07:53] <buz> well it doesnt show anything anymore
[07:53] <buz> konqueror doesnt seem to work anymore either
[07:54] <gdh> so, the machien still starts and lets you log into a KDE session?
[07:54] <buz> nana
[07:54] <buz> i'm still in the session
[07:54] <buz> the machine doesnt seem to be able to do anything disk related
[07:54] <buz> weeeeeeird
[07:54] <buz> time to power cycle
[07:54] <gdh> ctrl-alt-f1 ? run 'dmesg' ?
[07:54] <gdh> might be a clue of some hardware problem there
[07:54] <buz> mhh i have a root console open
[07:55] <buz> nah i think grub-install crashed and somehow took part of the disk subsystem with it
[07:55] <buz> anything that's already up works fine
[07:55] <gdh> If XFS has just broken on you, you can eat my hat :)
[07:57] <dreumah> hey i am in blackbox
[07:57] <dreumah> i didnt know i could still chat with people then
[07:57] <buz> powercycle did the job
[07:57] <buz> not even reboot worked anymore
[07:58] <gdh> that stinks of hardware failure if the IDE bus has managed to hang itself so badly
[08:00] <christos> hello
[08:01] <dreumah> hi
[08:01] <gdh> christos hi :)
[08:01] <christos> i am a new user of kubuntu and i am very impressed
[08:02] <buz> is there something like crystalcpuid or rmclock that actually works under linux?
[08:03] <gdh> heh that was nice of christos :) no '...but I can't get my <nnnn> working' or anything
[08:03] <uniq> buz: what are they doing? 
[08:04] <buz> it's like more flexible cool and quiet, they adjust voltage/cpufreq more finely grained
[08:04] <buz> i don't like hacking cpufreq ;)
[08:05] <uniq> dunno, you have powernowd, cpufreqd and cpudyn the ones i can remember right now.
[08:05] <buz> mhh those just take the standards from the bios
[08:05] <buz> but the hardware can do more than that
[08:06] <buz> especially running at lower voltages to save heat
[08:06] <uniq> don't know any app that does that.. no.
[08:06] <uniq> happy investigating.
[08:06] <uniq> :)
[08:11] <morodo> i had a problem whit root
[08:11] <morodo> what this de pass root of default
[08:11] <buz> mhh no cpufreq-utils around on ubuntu :(
[08:11] <buz> there is none
[08:11] <buz> you can set it with sudo passwd
[08:12] <dreumah> gkrellm doesnt at to the menu
[08:12] <dreumah> why is that?
[08:12] <morodo> thanks
[08:45] <shiv> how to get the trash icon on desktop?
[08:47] <kalenedrael> create a link to ~/Desktop/Trash (IIRC)
[08:47] <rdsaari> can anyone here tell me how to update ubuntu to the current version?
[08:47] <kalenedrael> hmm, what are you using right now?
[08:48] <Church_of_FoamY> it's been installed in march
[08:48] <Church_of_FoamY> on a freinds box
[08:48] <Church_of_FoamY> in febuary scuse me lol
[08:48] <kalenedrael> (i'm guessing here) update your /etc/apt/sources.list to contain the repos for the new version
[08:49] <kalenedrael> apt-get update
[08:49] <kalenedrael> apt-get upgrade
[08:49] <Church_of_FoamY> i want to update it to the current version
[08:49] <Church_of_FoamY> ok
[08:49] <kalenedrael> that's what makes sense to me, at least
[08:49] <kalenedrael> don't go "OMG WTF" at me if it doesn't work.... ;)
[08:50] <Church_of_FoamY> OMG WTF it diden't work lol
[08:50] <Church_of_FoamY> how to tell what the current version is?
[08:50] <Church_of_FoamY> the command?
[08:51] <kalenedrael> umm
[08:51] <kalenedrael> try uname -a
[08:52] <kalenedrael> that tells you kernel info though
[08:54] <Church_of_FoamY> hmmm can't seem to get it to update the repos
[08:55] <Church_of_FoamY> it's ubuntu 0.3
[08:55] <Church_of_FoamY> is there a nother way to update it
[08:57] <kalenedrael> hm
[08:58] <kalenedrael> ok, just download an iso and install
[09:03] <Church_of_FoamY> yea thats what i'm gonna do see ya in a bit
[09:23] <gsuveg> re
[09:24] <_heiner> Hi there.
[09:24] <gsuveg> the 341 upgrade works good ? w/o problem ?
[09:24] <_heiner> Just wanted to say this distrib rocks!
[09:24] <_heiner> well ... got a little problem:
[09:24] <Tm_T> no shit man!
[09:24] <Tm_T> ;p
[09:25] <_heiner> XEmacs has the fixed font
[09:25] <_heiner> but kde hasn't
[09:25] <_heiner> especially konsole hasn't...
[09:25] <_heiner> is there a way to fix this?
[09:48] <_freak> hi all.
[09:56] <apollo2011> I have KDE and Gnome installed on Ubuntu (ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop packages).  I am used to using KDE but wanted to try out Gnome.  However, now that I hae Gnome, its login manager is set as the default and I would prefer to use the KDE login manager.  How do I switch back to the KDE login manager?
[09:57] <gdh> dpkg-reconfigure kdm - it should ask you which you want
[09:57] <apollo2011> cool thx
[09:57] <gdh> or, you'll need to fiddle with update-alternatives
[09:58] <apollo2011> i think that did it...lets find out bbl
[09:59] <_henning> someone can make pure-ftpd work with MySQL ? i've tryed all day :S
[10:04] <_george> hey, i was in here a bit ago asking about installing some nvidia drivers, well i got them installed and they worked the first time i ran kde with them but then i rebooted the machine and nothin but a blank screen came up
[10:05] <_george> anybody know what the problem might be?
[10:06] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hi :(
[10:06] <Alex[RM-UK] > Is anyone else having trouble with K Menu Edit?
[10:06] <Alex[RM-UK] > I've just lost 30 + Items, even though they are there in K Menu Edit, but not on the actuall menu
[10:10] <Alex[RM-UK] > KDE have changed there Menu Editor Name to Menu Destroyer to give it a more accurate name
[10:11] <diwaker> _heiner: there are *plenty* of fixed width fonts for konsole, if thats what you're talking about
[10:11] <KaiL_> no Problems known with kmenuedit.
[10:11] <diwaker> _heiner: try Bitstream Vera Sans Mono, Lucida Sans Mono
[10:11] <CellarDoor> Menu Editor works fine for me
[10:12] <Alex[RM-UK] > IT's just destroyed my menu!
[10:12] <diwaker> _heiner: or enable bitmapped fonts (dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig) and then try out LucidaTypeWriter
[10:12] <CellarDoor> Ever since I ditched Mandrake I've had no problems with Menu Editor
[10:12] <Alex[RM-UK] > in Menu Edit, It's all nice and fine - everything how I want. Ok lets save it..... OH MY GOOD where are my folders and they are there icons I didnt put there, there and different names?1
[10:12] <CellarDoor> hehe
[10:13] <CellarDoor> sounds like an experience I had with WinXP
[10:14] <CellarDoor> No more kicker in KDE4
[10:14] <Alex[RM-UK] > Kicker?
[10:14] <CellarDoor> yuh
[10:14] <Alex[RM-UK] > whats that
[10:14] <CellarDoor> that thing along the bottom of your screen
[10:14] <Alex[RM-UK] > Ahhh,
[10:14] <CellarDoor> hehe
[10:14] <Alex[RM-UK] > why no more Kicker in KDE 4?
[10:14] <CellarDoor> bein replaced by somethin better :)
[10:15] <Alex[RM-UK] > GOOD
[10:15] <CellarDoor> hehe
[10:15] <Alex[RM-UK] > when will it be released?
[10:15] <dreumah> when, how can i get kde4?
[10:15] <CellarDoor> hmm I think KDE4 and a new gnome are both comming out at the end of the year
[10:19] <CellarDoor> kicker is being replaced by a new panel devel which I believe integrates superkaramba and is called Plasma
[10:19] <Tm_T> hmm
[10:19] <Alex[RM-UK] > Sounds fun, when do we all get one?
[10:20] <Tm_T> noooo
[10:20] <Tm_T> not another bloat
[10:20] <Tm_T> keep it simple!
[10:20] <Alex[RM-UK] > Aye suppose so there young Tm_T 
[10:20] <CellarDoor> nah not bloat
[10:20] <CellarDoor> replacement
[10:20] <Alex[RM-UK] > no! I'd rather have a MENU EDITOR than a MENU DESTROYER
[10:20] <CellarDoor> out with the old
[10:20] <CellarDoor> hehe
[10:21] <Alex[RM-UK] > It's due out this year,
[10:21] <CellarDoor> :)
[10:22] <CellarDoor> will have nice new graphicy features
[10:22] <Alex[RM-UK] > http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/vectorlinux/development/veclinux-soho-4.0-dev/screenshots/kde-icewm/kde-microgui1.jpg
[10:22] <CellarDoor> so will gnome
[10:22] <Alex[RM-UK] > Look - that lucky bugger has a menu!
[10:22] <CellarDoor> hehe
[10:23] <Alex[RM-UK] > http://www.babylon2k.de/pub/kde/kate-kde4-20050522.png
[10:23] <CellarDoor> shall I do a screenshot and say, "behold, I have a menu also"
[10:23] <Alex[RM-UK] > KDE 4 Kate
[10:23] <CellarDoor> yeah theyre not giving too much away
[10:24] <Alex[RM-UK] > well they are ... KDE 4 ...its free lol so they give it away
[10:24] <CellarDoor> :P
[10:24] <Alex[RM-UK] > how come something like Linux and KDE be free? it's mad
[10:24] <CellarDoor> thats not what I mean !
[10:25] <Alex[RM-UK] > I know I know
[10:25] <CellarDoor> hehe
[10:25] <Alex[RM-UK] > :P
[10:25] <CellarDoor> yeah cool isn't it
[10:25] <Alex[RM-UK] > insane
[10:25] <CellarDoor> Linux - free = kewl
[10:25] <CellarDoor> KDE - free = kewl
[10:25] <CellarDoor> opensource = megakewl
[10:25] <Tm_T> ;-P
[10:25] <Alex[RM-UK] > Linux + KDE = Kewl 
[10:25] <CellarDoor> hehe
[10:26] <CellarDoor> beware of the gnomie
[10:26] <Alex[RM-UK] > Linux + KDE + Menu Eater = Yum
[10:26] <CellarDoor> they will lead you to the dark side
[10:26] <Alex[RM-UK] > I dont like gnome
[10:26] <Alex[RM-UK] > feels flat and heavy and as if it goes along at 2 MPH
[10:26] <CellarDoor> I'm more comfortable with KDE
[10:26] <Alex[RM-UK] > and me
[10:27] <Alex[RM-UK] > I dont want to close my MEnu Edit screen incase I do looose all of my Icons
[10:27] <CellarDoor> might install 3.4.1
[10:27] <Alex[RM-UK] > What shall I do, risk it and restart? 
[10:27] <CellarDoor> but will backup first :P
[10:28] <CellarDoor> hmm, I'd save the changes and see what happens
[10:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > I have, 
[10:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > it makes its own mind up what to do
[10:28] <CellarDoor> if it goes wierd again, restart X and see what that does
[10:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > :'(
[10:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > I closed it, reopedn it ...and non of my icons are there
[10:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > :'(
[10:28] <CellarDoor> aww
[10:29] <Alex[RM-UK] > I havnt got a clue the links to all the System and Ultilites either
[10:29] <CellarDoor> try restarting kde and see if that clears it up
[10:29] <Alex[RM-UK] > hum ok
[10:29] <Alex[RM-UK] > cya in a min
[10:29] <CellarDoor> :)
[10:31] <Alex[RM-UK] > Damage Report - It was kind enough to give me back my Ultilites, Productivty, and Accessories Folders
[10:31] <CellarDoor> :)
[10:31] <Alex[RM-UK] > but it's already digested the System, Office and Multimedia folder
[10:31] <CellarDoor> hrmm
[10:31] <CellarDoor> wierd
[10:32] <CellarDoor> try a reboot ?
[10:32] <CellarDoor> :P
[10:32] <Alex[RM-UK] > will do later ... cant be bothered right now to be honest
[10:32] <CellarDoor> hehe
[10:33] <Alex[RM-UK] > Ahh deep joy, school tomorrow. Great, Whack numbers into your head, learn how to put full stop here, comma there. Run around the field and get freezing, solder a bit of metal to curcuit board, then good ol geography
[10:34] <CellarDoor> been ages since I had any problems with KDE meny
[10:34] <Alex[RM-UK] > not me :P
[10:34] <error403> Alex[RM-UK] , sounds like you have fun....
[10:34] <Alex[RM-UK] > error403,  Oh I do, it's great ^^
[10:34] <error403> heh
[10:34] <error403> im starting University next year...
[10:34] <error403> >.<
[10:34] <error403> 5 years
[10:35] <error403> Masters in Software Engineering
[10:35] <CellarDoor> ooer
[10:35] <Alex[RM-UK] > Maths I sit there and learn a new trick with my pen lol. English I look around the room. PE I .... try and do nothing. Tech I like. And Geography the teacher is so funny - he hasnt got a clue whats going on
[10:35] <Alex[RM-UK] > Nice, but 5 years :S
[10:35] <error403> lol
[10:35] <error403> well, Masters, with a 1-year placement
[10:35] <error403> should be fun
[10:35] <Alex[RM-UK] > should be 
[10:35] <error403> nice debt by the time im done!
[10:35] <error403> lol
[10:35] <Alex[RM-UK] > lol
[10:36] <Alex[RM-UK] > How can you be a Software Engineerer?
[10:36] <Alex[RM-UK] > isnt Enginering hands on, making things out of metal type of stuff?
[10:36] <error403> heh
[10:37] <error403> Software Engineering is taking the engineer approch to designing applications
[10:37] <error403> so that it can be done efficiently, by a team
[10:37] <Alex[RM-UK] > Ahh, I see - What kind of language do you use?
[10:37] <error403> at the moment?
[10:37] <Alex[RM-UK] > yeh
[10:37] <error403> not much of anything
[10:37] <error403> havent had the time recently...
[10:37] <error403> but anyway
[10:37] <error403> the whole point of the degree is to teach the METHODs
[10:38] <error403> so ytou can then pick up ANY language easily...
[10:38] <error403> not to teach a specific language
[10:38] <Alex[RM-UK] > Ah right, so not actually teaching of the language
[10:38] <error403> so should be fun
[10:38] <error403> yeah
[10:38] <error403> exactly
[10:38] <Alex[RM-UK] > yeh, should be good
[10:38] <Alex[RM-UK] > just make sure you dont have someone like my geo teacher
[10:38] <error403> but from that we get to use anything from interpreted Perl to compiled C++ etc...
[10:39] <error403> lol
[10:39] <error403> well, the university i am going to is top in the country for computer science degrees
[10:39] <Alex[RM-UK] > Nice, 
[10:39] <Ghetek> argh! im having trouble with wine
[10:39] <error403> and gets a third of ALL reasearch funding in the UK
[10:39] <Alex[RM-UK] > Shouldnt be drinking here mate,
[10:39] <error403> lol
[10:39] <Ghetek> haha
[10:39] <error403> wow
[10:40] <error403> i forgot how EASY kubuntu is to set up
[10:40] <error403> lol
[10:40] <Alex[RM-UK] > :| what uni is it? I live in UK too
[10:40] <Alex[RM-UK] > yeh it's easy to setup
[10:40] <error403> York
[10:40] <Alex[RM-UK] > so nic onec done to
[10:40] <Alex[RM-UK] > Cool, been there a few times
[10:40] <error403> yeah, i been once, for the interview
[10:40] <error403> amazing university
[10:40] <error403> and nice place too
[10:40] <Alex[RM-UK] > Huge unis are
[10:41] <error403> anyway
[10:41] <CellarDoor> kubuntu roolz
[10:41] <Alex[RM-UK] > it does indeed
[10:41] <error403> i just realised how easy Kubuntu was to install again, coz i just attempted a Debian Woody install
[10:41] <error403> >.<
[10:41] <CellarDoor> :P
[10:41] <Alex[RM-UK] > lol
[10:41] <error403> why did i inflict THAT upon myself...
[10:42] <Alex[RM-UK] > cos your silly :P
[10:42] <error403> ARGH!
[10:42] <error403> one thing i hate about cases with doors on the front
[10:42] <error403> fucking auto-ejects,,,,
[10:42] <Alex[RM-UK] > the cd drive
[10:42] <Alex[RM-UK] > yep, I got one
[10:42] <error403> lol
[10:42] <error403> good ol' eBuyer
[10:42] <Alex[RM-UK] > like someone knocking on the door lol
[10:42] <Alex[RM-UK] > hehe,
[10:42] <error403> where would i be without them
[10:42] <Alex[RM-UK] > Windows
[10:42] <Alex[RM-UK] > :|
[10:42] <error403> ?
[10:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > youd be with windows without them
[10:43] <error403> lol
[10:43] <error403> not really
[10:43] <error403> but anyway
[10:43] <CellarDoor> Debian still makes my brain hurties
[10:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > aye suppose so
[10:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > only think I like about Debbie is
[10:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > packages :P
[10:43] <error403> i would be without my new 200GB SATA drive and 1GB Corsair RAM
[10:43] <error403> lol
[10:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > :P nice
[10:43] <CellarDoor> showoff
[10:43] <error403> the only thing i like about debian is.... nothing yet!
[10:43] <error403> lol
[10:43] <Ghetek> ive been waiting 5 min for winetools to download arial fonts
[10:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > wish I had 1GB of ram for all the graphics work I do
[10:44] <Ghetek> should i stop waiting?
[10:44] <Alex[RM-UK] > yes
[10:44] <error403> i cant get the fucker to use my network interface OR graphics card
[10:44] <Alex[RM-UK] > I wait 20 mins to download IE
[10:44] <Alex[RM-UK] > never happened
[10:44] <Ghetek> but im on comcast cable
[10:44] <Ghetek> and its still 0%
[10:44] <error403> Alex[RM-UK] , i found RAM useful...  ran a huge render in Terragen
[10:44] <error403> lol
[10:44] <Ghetek> ugh
[10:44] <Ghetek> terragen... too easy
[10:44] <Alex[RM-UK] > Wine - I dont use - I use cross over and cedega for games
[10:44] <error403> ...
[10:45] <error403> Alex[RM-UK] , is cross-over office actually any good for getting decent framerates out of games?
[10:45] <Ghetek> move off of terragen and onto maya and 3ds
[10:45] <Alex[RM-UK] > No, 
[10:45] <error403> lol
[10:45] <Alex[RM-UK] > Cross over I use for programs, 
[10:45] <error403> anything that is?
[10:45] <Alex[RM-UK] > Cedega I use for games..
[10:45] <Ghetek> how/where fo i get cedega?
[10:45] <error403> coz i managed to run SoF2 under Wine once?
[10:45] <error403> lol
[10:45] <Alex[RM-UK] > *cough* internet
[10:46] <error403> Cedega = paid for?
[10:46] <Ghetek> no freee versions?
[10:46] <Alex[RM-UK] > it is yes...but doesnt have to be ;-)
[10:46] <Ghetek> oh yeah
[10:46] <Ghetek> you can compile yourself right?
[10:46] <Alex[RM-UK] > I think you can..but I never found that option ..so I turned to the Bit Torrent Side
[10:46] <anna> Are the KDE 3.4.1 debs from topic Ok?
[10:46] <CellarDoor> mmm cedega... must get around to that
[10:47] <error403> hmm
[10:47] <Alex[RM-UK] > cedega - is free I think...so if you downlaod it using Bit torrent its not illegal
[10:47] <error403> Alex[RM-UK] , you get decent framerates?
[10:47] <Alex[RM-UK] > thats if it is free.
[10:47] <Ghetek> winetools still downloading... 0%
[10:47] <Alex[RM-UK] > yeh, I'd say Vice city runs better in linux than windows
[10:47] <Alex[RM-UK] > Ghetk - give up on Wine - I was there for 20 mins waiting for IE to download. never happened
[10:47] <CellarDoor> ugh
[10:47] <CellarDoor> why would you wan't to download IE ?
[10:48] <error403> Alex[RM-UK] , i ran S0F2 under Wine once...
[10:48] <Alex[RM-UK] > you have to
[10:48] <error403> PAINFUL!
[10:48] <error403> lol
[10:48] <CellarDoor> no !
[10:48] <Alex[RM-UK] > whats SOF2?
[10:48] <Ghetek> ok
[10:48] <Ghetek> where do i get cedega
[10:48] <error403> Soldier of Fortune 2
[10:48] <error403> lol
[10:48] <Ghetek> lets see here
[10:48] <Alex[RM-UK] > ahhh,
[10:48] <CellarDoor> Ghetek, from transgaming
[10:48] <error403> http://www.torrentspy.com/search.asp?query=cedega&submit.x=0&submit.y=0
[10:48] <Ghetek> wikipedia... cedega...
[10:48] <CellarDoor> ooer
[10:48] <error403> ummm
[10:48] <Alex[RM-UK] > cedega is free I THINK - so if it is torrent wont be illegal
[10:48] <error403> not that im promoting warez or anything
[10:48] <error403> Alex[RM-UK] , i need the .deb?
[10:49] <Alex[RM-UK] > yes
[10:49] <error403> ok
[10:49] <Alex[RM-UK] >   Cedega 4.3.2 Debian
[10:49] <Alex[RM-UK] > Cedega 4.3 DEB
[10:49] <CellarDoor> Deb for kubuntu right
[10:49] <Alex[RM-UK] > Aye thats the one litle soldier
[10:49] <CellarDoor> :P
[10:49] <Tm_T> hmmh
[10:49] <Tm_T> maybe I should try cedega myself too
[10:50] <Alex[RM-UK] > its really good
[10:50] <CellarDoor> heehe
[10:50] <Alex[RM-UK] > dont run programs on it though..they dont seem to work for some reason
[10:50] <Alex[RM-UK] > Games run great though
[10:50] <Alex[RM-UK] > it even runs Half Life 2 which I was quite worried about lol
[10:50] <Alex[RM-UK] > I thought someone had changed my hard drive back to Windows, and gave me a KDE them,e
[10:51] <CellarDoor> kewlness
[10:51] <error403> Alex[RM-UK] , if this Cedega works, im dumping Windows
[10:51] <Ghetek> ...sudo apt-cache search azearus... azuras... how do i spell that thing again?
[10:51] <error403> Period.
[10:51] <CellarDoor> yeah it works
[10:51] <error403> the only reasons i keep windows....
[10:51] <error403> Games
[10:51] <error403> that about it
[10:51] <error403> lol
[10:51] <Ghetek> azureas?
[10:51] <Alex[RM-UK] > Ghetek, To downlaod Azueure do this
[10:51] <error403> azureus
[10:51] <Ghetek> thats the one!
[10:51] <Ghetek> ok
[10:51] <error403> i compiled from source
[10:51] <error403> lol
[10:51] <error403> just for the hell of it...
[10:52] <Alex[RM-UK] > ok lost link, program name is azureus
[10:52] <Ghetek> no that wasnt it
[10:52] <Ghetek> esher: Couldn't find package azureus
[10:52] <error403> thats coz its not in apt-get
[10:52] <error403> lol
[10:52] <Ghetek> ...
[10:52] <CellarDoor> umm I don't have bitorrent... duh
[10:53] <Ghetek> yeah me neither
[10:53] <error403> Ghetel
[10:53] <error403> Ghetek
[10:53] <Ghetek> yeah
[10:53] <error403> http://azureus.sourceforge.org
[10:53] <error403> there
[10:53] <CellarDoor> whats azureus ?
[10:53] <Ghetek> ugh... not apt-gettable
[10:53] <Alex[RM-UK] > Amazing Bit torrent source
[10:53] <error403> a bittorrent client
[10:53] <Alex[RM-UK] > client yes
[10:53] <Alex[RM-UK] > lol
[10:53] <CellarDoor> ooer
[10:53] <error403> THE BEST
[10:53] <error403> lol
[10:54] <error403> i love it on Linux AND windozew
[10:54] <CellarDoor> isnt it apt-gettable ?
[10:54] <Alex[RM-UK] > me too,
[10:54] <error403> and DAMN this is fucking fast on my new RAM etc...
[10:54] <error403> lol
[10:54] <Alex[RM-UK] > :P
[10:54] <error403> havent run Kubuntu on my desktop before
[10:54] <error403> lol
[10:54] <CellarDoor> kubuntu is quite zippy
[10:54] <Ghetek> "Download Azureus2.3.0.2.jar.torrent"
[10:54] <Ghetek> haha
[10:55] <Ghetek> sorry i just found that funny
[10:55] <error403> and i REALLY must stop saving everything to desktop
[10:55] <error403> lol
[10:55] <Ghetek> like winzip-install.zip
[10:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > lol
[10:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > yeh its if you have a bot torrent client you can download it suing that
[10:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > using*
[10:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > bot torrent? cool whats that
[10:55] <Ghetek> no i know its just kinda funny
[10:55] <error403> lol
[10:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > it is are
[10:55] <error403> ...
[10:55] <error403> ARGH
[10:56] <error403> head hurts!
[10:56] <error403> hmm, im not liking this CLEAN install tho
[10:56] <error403> any way to port all my settings?
[10:56] <Ghetek> great idea!!! someone who has bit torrent, go here http://www.torrentspy.com/search.asp?mode=torrentdetails&id=296046
[10:56] <Ghetek> then please send me file over irc
[10:56] <Ghetek> its that easy
[10:56] <Alex[RM-UK] > I already have the .deb file
[10:56] <Alex[RM-UK] > i'll send it
[10:56] <Ghetek> thank you!
[10:57] <Ghetek> and now i get to test out file transfers over kopete
[10:57] <error403> lol
[10:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > kopete?
[10:57] <error403> >.<
[10:57] <error403> Kopete, IRC
[10:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > Im doing this thorugh IRC
[10:57] <error403> Ouch
[10:57] <error403> dude
[10:57] <Ghetek> irc + aim + msn + ICQ + Y!
[10:57] <error403> XCHAT ALL THE WAY!
[10:57] <error403> for IRC
[10:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > xchat I mean
[10:58] <Alex[RM-UK] > Ghetek,  take the file
[10:58] <Ghetek> i heard a noise..
[10:58] <CellarDoor> can someone post me the link where I can dl azureus from ?
[10:59] <Alex[RM-UK] > ahh whats your MSN it will be easier,
[10:59] <Ghetek> cant figure out how to take the file
[10:59] <Alex[RM-UK] > im trying to find a link I had to install Azurues and other cool things
[10:59] <CellarDoor> I'm using Konversation for my IRC
[10:59] <Ghetek> my msn is ghetek@gmail.com
[10:59] <error403> anyway
[10:59] <error403> ill BBL
[10:59] <error403> c ya ppl
[10:59] <Ghetek> ciao
[11:00] <CellarDoor> cya
[11:02] <Alex[RM-UK] > cya gotta go
[11:03] <CellarDoor> cya
[11:16] <Mojo_Jojo> hello, I was trying to convert my friends ubuntu to kubuntu. I did 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' and it seemed to work. But after I restarted, it gives a KDE login window, and after I log in, it goes to GNOME anyways.
[11:16] <kalenedrael> delete gdm
[11:17] <Mojo_Jojo> and another thing... everytime I start a KDE app, it freezes the computer, will deleting gdm fix that too?
[11:17] <Tm_T> Mojo_Jojo: you have to choose another session type
[11:17] <gdh> you need to choose the session type...
[11:17] <gdh> heh
[11:17] <Tm_T> you're slow!
[11:17] <Tm_T> ;--P
[11:17] <Mojo_Jojo> how would I do that?
[11:18] <Tm_T> in that login screen
[11:18] <Mojo_Jojo> ohh
[11:18] <Mojo_Jojo> yeah, I'll look for that, awesome!
[11:18] <Mojo_Jojo> but is it normal for the comptuer to freeze when I start KDE apps ?
[11:18] <kalenedrael> no :P
[11:19] <Mojo_Jojo> I guess I'll just download kubuntu. 
[11:20] <kalenedrael> that may be a good idea
[11:22] <Mojo_Jojo> he is on athlon 64... could that contribute to the problem ? 
[11:23] <dreumah> i have an athlon 64 and install ubuntu after kubuntu i can run both without problems
[11:23] <dreumah> installed*
[11:24] <Mojo_Jojo> ahh, k
[11:24] <Mojo_Jojo> we tried 64bit knoppix on his computer before, and it didnt start at all.
[11:24] <dreumah> try the normal knoppix
[11:24] <Mojo_Jojo> altough the 64bit knoppix isnt really official project. 
[11:24] <dreumah> it works fine
[11:24] <Mojo_Jojo> normal knoppix on 64bit ?
[11:25] <dreumah> yeah
[11:25] <dreumah> i done that
[11:25] <dreumah> on my laptop
[11:25] <dreumah> and it worked very well
[11:25] <Mojo_Jojo> ohh, I thought that wouldnt work at all
[11:25] <apollo2011> How do I use ndiswrapper to setup Wi-Fi setup on my Dell Inspiron 8600 with a Dell (Broadcom Wi-Fi card?
[11:25] <dreumah> dunno
[11:25] <Mojo_Jojo> Im on normal knoppix right now, I *heart* knoppix
[11:25] <Mojo_Jojo> thanks dreumah, I'll try that!
[11:25] <dreumah> no worries
[11:26] <dreumah> its all about helping
[11:29] <apollo2011> How do I use ndiswrapper to setup Wi-Fi setup on my Dell Inspiron 8600 with a Dell (Broadcom Wi-Fi card?
[11:30] <mats> The Application KDE Daeamon (kded) crashed and couse the signal 11 (SIGSEGV) Does anyone know what that mean? 
[11:31] <kalenedrael> that means it crashed
[11:31] <kalenedrael> ok, apollo2011, first, get the windows drivers
[11:31] <kalenedrael> and ndiswrapper, obviously
[11:32] <kalenedrael> mats, if it doesn't occur often and doesn't appear to do any harm, don't worry about it
[11:32] <osh_> install ndiswrapper. put module in autoload.modules (or whatever it's called), get the windows drivers. ndiswrapper -i driver.sys, iwconfig wlan0 key your-key essid your-essid etc.... then do a dhcp wlan0.
[11:32] <osh_> apollo2011: the text above was for you.
[11:32] <kalenedrael> or dhclient
[11:32] <kalenedrael> or you can set a static ip, like id
[11:32] <kalenedrael> o
[11:32] <osh_> yes, dhclient is the correct command.
[11:32] <kalenedrael> i do*
[11:34] <mats> how do i get KDE to NOT auto open my dvd with kaffeine?
[11:35] <kalenedrael> open up the control center, i think there may be an option there
[11:36] <mats> kalenedrael: ok, thanks .. ill have a look
[11:39] <bobbyd> hmm
[11:39] <bobbyd> when I try to open a cd in kde I get "mount: mount point /media/cdrom0 does not exist"
[11:39] <bobbyd> any ideas?
[11:40] <bobbyd> (btw kubuntu rocks :)
[11:40] <osh_> bobbyd: My guess would be that /media/cdrom0 doesn't exist.
[11:40] <bobbyd> osh_: well yeah :). Do I need to create that manually?
[11:41] <bobbyd> oops
[11:41] <bobbyd> it seems I have inadvertantly named an nfs dir /media 
[11:41] <bobbyd> i suppose it's supposed to be a system dir
[11:42] <osh_> bobbyd: that might be the root of your troubles... :-)
[11:42] <bobbyd> that's a little annoying, I've had a /media dir for along time, but I'll rename it...
[11:52] <nmorse> So what did my latest dist-upgrade get from kubuntu.org?
[11:52] <nmorse> I see kopete, et als in there
[11:54] <Tm_T> why you use dist-upgrade?
[11:56] <nmorse> Because Debian Sid was my bread and butter for years
[11:59] <Tm_T> haha
[11:59] <Tm_T> Debian <3
[12:00] <apollo2011> How do I use ndiswrapper to setup Wi-Fi setup on my Dell Inspiron 8600 with a Dell (Broadcom Wi-Fi card?
[12:01] <apollo2011> What packages do I install for the kernel sources?