| tsume | ho ha! | 12:19 |
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| tsume | I gained some extra speed by turning dithering and hwcursor off :P | 12:20 |
| dooglus | CLucene, I think you mean? | 12:20 |
| tsume | nvidia dithering sucks.. big time. Makes the text unreadable | 12:20 |
| tsume | dooglus: yes :) | 12:20 |
| dooglus | (google didn't offer the "did you mean CLucene" link when I googled for CLucence, so it took me a while to find it! | 12:21 |
| tsume | brb, tweaking gfx card | 12:21 |
| tsume | hehe | 12:21 |
| tsume | lolo | 12:21 |
| tsume | dooglus: my apologies | 12:21 |
| dooglus | after all the warnings about breezy being broken, I can't notice anything wrong with it at all, other than a few little things | 12:21 |
| tsume | dooglus: me either | 12:21 |
| herve | seems you missed the worst | 12:22 |
| herve | or it's just the eye of the storm | 12:22 |
| tsume | :'( I lost some speed just by having nvidia module render the cursor | 12:23 |
| tsume | its glitchy if I have sw render the cursor | 12:23 |
| tsume | s/its/the mouse/ | 12:23 |
| tsume | oh well :) | 12:24 |
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| tsume | I don't need the extra speed badly.. yet :) | 12:24 |
| tsume | actually, now that the crappy dithering is off, the rendering is now faster in every application :) | 12:26 |
| tsume | dithering sucks anyway. Who in the right mind wants to go blind? :) | 12:27 |
| Amaranth | SloMo_: Almost perfect, but you put some things in for translation that the user doesn't see. For instance entry.Show == 'Empty' comes from pyxdg, that needs to say 'Empty' no matter what language you're using. | 12:38 |
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| skora | howdy. | 01:13 |
| mdke | hi skora | 01:18 |
| skora | skora, hey | 01:24 |
| mdke | hmm | 01:24 |
| skora | do you know where I can find it at ? | 01:25 |
| skora | k | 01:25 |
| skora | thanks | 01:25 |
| mdke | skora, you msg'd me the question rather than asking it in the channel | 01:25 |
| skora | oh sorry. I thought you messaged just to me before hand. | 01:26 |
| skora | ack, sry again. | 01:26 |
| mdke | *laughs* | 01:26 |
| mdke | third time lucky | 01:27 |
| skora | i was going to put that into main chan | 01:27 |
| skora | hello everyone, i have a question about jdong's ubp-build.py script | 01:27 |
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| dooglus | I'm new to breezy. What should I do when I see: | 01:38 |
| dooglus | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 01:38 |
| dooglus | splay: Depends: libid3-3.8.3 but it is not installable | 01:38 |
| dooglus | E: Broken packages | 01:38 |
| dooglus | should I (a) grin and bear it, (b) whinge here, (c) report it as a bug on bugzilla (d) none of the above? | 01:38 |
| zul | a and c | 01:39 |
| dooglus | thanks. | 01:39 |
| dooglus | I'll do that. | 01:39 |
| mjg59 | elmo: Can we get MJ Ray removed from the keyring on the grounds that I'm sure his passport doesn't call him "MJ"? | 01:46 |
| SloMo_ | Amaranth: at that position I wasn't sure ;) well but if that kind of mistakes are the only ones... ;) everything else works? | 01:51 |
| Amaranth | haven't actually run it | 01:54 |
| Amaranth | just looking at the code so i can merge it to my 0.8 tree | 01:54 |
| dooglus | sorry to be a pain, but I have 2 more questions: 1) is there a separate bugzilla for breezy? 2) is it OK to report 'universe' bugs, or aren't you interested in them? | 02:04 |
| dooglus | (I'm sure I'll become useful at some point in the future) | 02:04 |
| dooglus | I don't see anywhere on the bug reporting page where I can specify whether the bug is in hoary or breezy | 02:05 |
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| SloMo_ | Amaranth: when you merged it, can you send me a copy of your 0.8 tree? then i'll send just patches against that when i have new changes | 02:15 |
| Amaranth | SloMo_: I'll be putting it in my berlios.de svn repo | 02:16 |
| Amaranth | https://developer.berlios.de/projects/menueditor/ | 02:17 |
| SloMo_ | Amaranth: thanks... i'll have a look at it tomorrow... and now i'll go to sleep ;) | 02:18 |
| Amaranth | night | 02:18 |
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| spanglesontoast | bit dead in here | 03:15 |
| Amaranth | weekend | 03:19 |
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| zul | does anyone have an adm8211 based wi-fi card? | 04:10 |
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| fabbione | morning | 06:28 |
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| pitti | Morning | 08:45 |
| fabbione | hey pitti | 08:46 |
| pitti | gf is still asleep -> some h4ck time :-) | 08:47 |
| fabbione | ehheh | 08:47 |
| \sh | morning | 08:47 |
| pitti | uh, doko uploading xorg :-) | 08:47 |
| fabbione | pitti: let's deroot the kernel :) | 08:47 |
| pitti | fabbione: let's run the kernel as nobody as user process on top of HURD | 08:48 |
| \sh | python-kde3_3.11.4+snapshot20050316-0ubuntu2_source.changes ACCEPTED | 08:48 |
| \sh | now it goes | 08:48 |
| fabbione | pitti: yeah i guess doko got pissed at xbase-client breakage | 08:48 |
| fabbione | pitti: nah.. on top of OS/2 or a windows kernel | 08:48 |
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| fabbione | goody | 08:53 |
| fabbione | time to do the last ppc64 test build and upload | 08:53 |
| fabbione | no actually.. it's sunday :) | 08:53 |
| fabbione | upload tomorrow :) | 08:53 |
| \sh | fabbione: pray before u upload (only sundays) ;) | 08:54 |
| fabbione | jamesh: why should i pray??? | 08:54 |
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| fabbione | i know these kernels won't even boot | 08:54 |
| fabbione | but at least i can make the buildd spending some extra CPU heating and increase universe entropy | 08:55 |
| \sh | fabbione: cause it's sunday :) the day where u normally go to church and pray ;) | 08:55 |
| fabbione | jamesh: given that you believe in church.... | 08:55 |
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| fabbione | ops | 08:55 |
| fabbione | sorry | 08:55 |
| fabbione | well time to take my wife to scouts | 08:56 |
| fabbione | bbl | 08:56 |
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| Treenaks | argh! why must gfloppy be so floppy-centric | 09:26 |
| pitti | Treenaks: I thought it was way easier to hack a new pygtk app? | 09:27 |
| Treenaks | pitti: so did I | 09:27 |
| Treenaks | pitti: until I /looked/ at the code instead of glancing over it | 09:27 |
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| pitti | s/d$// | 09:28 |
| Treenaks | pitti: see also: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150782 | 09:28 |
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| stern_type | yeah,i'm the guy | 10:31 |
| stern_type | they didn't intended to get me | 10:37 |
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| ska-fan | Hmm, ubuntu should provide a free dns service like dyndns: ska-fan.ubuntu-at-home.org | 10:54 |
| \sh | for what? | 11:00 |
| daniels | why not just dyndns.org? | 11:04 |
| Lathiat | or $theothertentousandofdem | 11:05 |
| \sh | hmm...i could setup a dyndns alike service on sourcecode.de or on linux-server.org | 11:07 |
| bob2 | or use them for something cool | 11:07 |
| bob2 | or sell them on ebay! | 11:07 |
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| \sh | hmm... | 11:08 |
| \sh | no | 11:08 |
| \sh | linuxshop.de and linuxmall.de are for selling ;) u want them? ,-) | 11:08 |
| ska-fan | daniels: dyndns has no hostnames with ubuntu in them :) | 11:12 |
| bob2 | register ubuntu.dyndns.org and delegate NS records | 11:13 |
| bob2 | stupid smbfs | 11:13 |
| bob2 | it flakes out every 12 hours or so | 11:13 |
| bob2 | then breaks lsof output | 11:13 |
| \sh | hahaha | 11:13 |
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| bob2 | umounting and remounting would fix it | 11:14 |
| bob2 | if I could find out what is still using it | 11:14 |
| mjg59 | Run ls -R through /proc and see where it breaks | 11:14 |
| bob2 | mjg59: it seems to succeed | 11:16 |
| mjg59 | Haha | 11:20 |
| mjg59 | lsof ought to work, then | 11:20 |
| bob2 | lsof: WARNING: can't stat() smbfs file system /mnt/ooder | 11:21 |
| mjg59 | Oh, right | 11:21 |
| mjg59 | Oops | 11:21 |
| mjg59 | Well, ls -R through /proc and look for anything with a cwd or an fd in there | 11:21 |
| bob2 | hrm | 11:24 |
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| tseng | morn AndyFitz | 12:48 |
| AndyFitz | yo tseng nite here how goes ? | 12:48 |
| tseng | good thanks | 12:49 |
| tseng | whats up? | 12:49 |
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| shawarma | Do any of you guys have access to the wiki database? I can't log in. I get a Unicode decode error, probably because of a Danish character in my name... | 12:59 |
| AndyFitz | chilling on a perfect sunday mate. hows your weekend ? | 12:59 |
| shawarma | ..and I'd like it to be changed, so that I can log in | 12:59 |
| mdke | shawarma, can you login at http://launchpad.ubuntu.com and change the account details? | 01:12 |
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| mdke | shawarma, ? | 01:17 |
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| shawarma | mdke: Sorry, I was away.. | 01:30 |
| mdke | np | 01:30 |
| tuhl | Any ideas when X will wok again? | 01:30 |
| shawarma | mdke: Yup, I can. I didn't know they used the same user database.. | 01:31 |
| daniels | it works now. | 01:31 |
| shawarma | mdke: Thanks! | 01:31 |
| mdke | tuhl, i tried yesterday wasn't working, but several people in #ubuntu told me that theirs is working out of the box | 01:31 |
| mdke | shawarma, np | 01:31 |
| daniels | if you've fiddled symlinks yourself to get stuff working, you've likely broken your system | 01:31 |
| daniels | else, the only other issue I know of is with manually-edited configuration files | 01:32 |
| mdke | daniels, i did a clean colony 1 install and upgrades yesterday and X would start because of a font problem | 01:32 |
| mdke | would/wouldn't | 01:32 |
| mdke | is it worth filing a bug? | 01:32 |
| tseng | did you dist-upgrade? | 01:32 |
| mdke | yes | 01:32 |
| tseng | thats already been fixed unless you editing xorg.conf | 01:33 |
| daniels | mdke: no, already fixed in later versions | 01:33 |
| mdke | hmm | 01:33 |
| mdke | i wonder why it didn't work for me | 01:33 |
| mdke | is it uploaded? | 01:33 |
| daniels | yes | 01:33 |
| mdke | :/ | 01:33 |
| mdke | i tried booting in single user and doing a -reconfigure, no dice | 01:34 |
| mdke | daniels, if it is fixed, maybe my problem was another one? | 01:34 |
| daniels | mdke: are you getting 'can't open default font "fixed"'? | 01:35 |
| mdke | yes | 01:35 |
| mdke | and the system crashes | 01:35 |
| mdke | sort of | 01:35 |
| daniels | firstly, check which version of xserver-xorg you have | 01:35 |
| daniels | secondly, check what the FontPath entries are in xorg.conf | 01:35 |
| mdke | they were /usr/share | 01:36 |
| daniels | if they're /usr/lib/X11 rather than /usr/share/X11, change 'em | 01:36 |
| daniels | i see | 01:36 |
| mdke | as for the version, it was the latest from the archives | 01:36 |
| mdke | everything was up to date except a couple of packages kept back like evolution-data-server | 01:36 |
| daniels | what version is xfonts-misc? | 01:37 |
| daniels | er, xfonts-base | 01:37 |
| tuhl | mdke: the xbase-clients package based on xorg is broken | 01:37 |
| mdke | i'm afraid I can't tell you specifically, i formatted, but it was up to date | 01:37 |
| mdke | daniels, ^ | 01:38 |
| mdke | i'll reinstall again if you think it is worth pursuing | 01:38 |
| mdke | have some time on my hands today | 01:38 |
| daniels | tuhl: different issue | 01:39 |
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| daniels | mdke: sure, if you want to; i can't see how it would occur, from here | 01:40 |
| mdke | the first dist-upgrade i did didn't go cleanly. x-window-system-core didn't get upgraded due to dependency problems, then I did a second dist-upgrade and it worked fine. could that be related to the problem? | 01:41 |
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| daniels | uhm, probably | 01:42 |
| mdke | no idea why | 01:42 |
| mdke | it was literally a clean install from cd then straight into synaptic for a dist-upgrade | 01:42 |
| mdke | default sources.list | 01:43 |
| mdke | oh well | 01:43 |
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| tuhl | hi | 02:16 |
| tuhl | I updated to the latest X11 packages | 02:16 |
| tuhl | X still does not start | 02:16 |
| tuhl | Fatal server error: | 02:16 |
| tuhl | could not open default font 'fixed'; | 02:16 |
| tuhl | obviously there is a problem with xfs | 02:17 |
| tuhl | where does it log to? | 02:17 |
| daniels | a) this is a #ubuntu thing, b) we don't use fs at all, and never have | 02:17 |
| tuhl | ok | 02:18 |
| tuhl | I was used tio ferdora sorry | 02:19 |
| tuhl | so there is a problem open fixed font... | 02:19 |
| tuhl | who can I fix this? by reconfiguring X? | 02:20 |
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| tuhl | what is the reason why the DISPLAY env var is not set when I login by ssh? | 02:24 |
| \sh | tuhl: no xauth? | 02:25 |
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| tuhl | \sh: which xauth: /usr/bin/xauth | 02:26 |
| seb128 | hi | 02:27 |
| seb128 | elmo, lamont: any idea of why evolution doesn't build? | 02:27 |
| \sh | tuhl: then ForwardX11 yes in ~/.ssh/config ? | 02:27 |
| tuhl | \sh yes | 02:32 |
| tuhl | in /etc/ssh/ | 02:33 |
| \sh | tuhl: so xauth is on your remote machine | 02:33 |
| \sh | ForwardX11 yes is in your local .ssh/confi | 02:33 |
| \sh | X11Forwarding yes | 02:34 |
| \sh | X11DisplayOffset 10 | 02:34 |
| \sh | in your remote /etc/ssh/sshd_config? | 02:34 |
| mjg59 | Hngh. | 02:35 |
| === mjg59 stares at Acer DSDTs | ||
| martinhj | mjg59: did a fix on my Acer's DSDT table too once (on a TravelMate 620). The question is if the fix does any real difference | 02:39 |
| daniels | \sh: because ssh is broken | 02:39 |
| \sh | daniels: breezy? | 02:39 |
| daniels | you need to sudo ln -s /usr/bin/xauth /usr/bin/X11/xauth | 02:39 |
| \sh | in hoary it works | 02:39 |
| daniels | \sh: yes | 02:39 |
| daniels | i filed a bug on it pre-warty | 02:39 |
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| \sh | daniels: surprise | 02:40 |
| tuhl | daniels: thanks | 02:40 |
| siretart | seb128: I'm reviewing a rather old package here: http://www.metallikop.com/ubuntu/grubconf_0.5.1-4ubuntu2.dsc. The changelog states that you created 0.5.1-4ubuntu1, but this version never got uploaded to the archive. Do you remember what happened to that package? | 02:41 |
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| seb128 | siretart: ?? | 02:42 |
| martinhj | mjg59: what kind of devices is in question? IDE-devices in the module-bay? | 02:42 |
| seb128 | siretart: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hoary-changes/2005-January/001417.html | 02:42 |
| siretart | seb128: yes, I'm a bit confused, too | 02:42 |
| mjg59 | martinhj: Yes | 02:43 |
| siretart | HAE?! | 02:43 |
| siretart | why doesn't that version appear on packages.ubuntu.com/grubconf | 02:43 |
| martinhj | mjg59: because of the thread about laptop testing specs on ubuntu-devel list? | 02:43 |
| mjg59 | martinhj: Yeah | 02:44 |
| tuhl | my X11 is working again after modifying the fonts paths | 02:45 |
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| martinhj | martinhj: ok, I'm the one who suggested it in to the specs. It's been a future in Windows for many years. Would love to see it in Linux too.. so Windows does not poll the ide bus or anything like that, then? | 02:45 |
| martinhj | eh, that was for mjg59 :-) | 02:46 |
| mjg59 | Windows doesn't do it at all - the system drivers do it | 02:46 |
| mjg59 | So it's all entirely manufacturer specific | 02:46 |
| mjg59 | For the 620, it looks like it may have to be polled. The 650 has notification. | 02:46 |
| martinhj | ok | 02:47 |
| martinhj | is there a standard the manufacturer should follow to have notifications so one could bug the manufacturers to get them to fix the BIOSes? | 02:48 |
| doko | seb128: evolution: spamassassin is not in main | 02:48 |
| mjg59 | martinhj: Nope | 02:48 |
| seb128 | doko: oh, they made a Depends of it? I've not noticed, thanks | 02:48 |
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| seb128 | doko: are you sure? The build log complains about a e-s-d lib | 02:49 |
| mjg59 | martinhj: Not as far as I can tell, at least... | 02:49 |
| martinhj | mjg59: I cann still open a bug if you want to | 02:49 |
| mjg59 | martinhj: Yeah, please do | 02:50 |
| doko | seb128: at least it cannot be _installed_ for that reason | 02:50 |
| seb128 | doko: it's not even built | 02:50 |
| seb128 | doko: my local tree has it a Recommends | 02:51 |
| seb128 | doko: I don't get it | 02:51 |
| martinhj | mjg59: under what package? | 02:53 |
| mjg59 | martinhj: The kernel for now, and cc mjg59@codon.org.uk on it | 02:54 |
| martinhj | ok | 02:55 |
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| anto9us | is anyone involved in the ubuntulinux.org web development here? I'm not sure but I may have exposed a security issue | 03:03 |
| doko | seb128: libecall1.2-3 is not in main | 03:03 |
| seb128 | yeah, soname change | 03:04 |
| mdke | anto9us, you can contact the webmaster or file a bug maybe | 03:04 |
| doko | seb128: and why doesn't libedataserver1.2-dev depend on an old db4.1-dev? | 03:04 |
| doko | seb128: better: and why does libedataserver1.2-dev depend on an old db4.1-dev? | 03:04 |
| seb128 | doko: why not? | 03:04 |
| seb128 | doko: it uses libdb4.1 | 03:04 |
| KaiL_ | daniels: where there some significant changes in the r200 driver between the one used in hoary and the one in breezy? (maybe some performance fixed backported?) | 03:08 |
| anto9us | mdke: I don't have the time or energy and this potential exploit may already be out in the open, I've sort of accidentily revealed it in #ubuntu, can I private message you? | 03:08 |
| mdke | anto9us, i can't do anything about it | 03:08 |
| mdke | maybe elmo can | 03:08 |
| mdke | anto9us, but if you have the energy to talk about it here, you should be able to write an email to the webmaster | 03:09 |
| Mithrandir | anto9us: give me the details and I'll see if I can get the attention of our internal web people. | 03:09 |
| anto9us | mdke: I want to know if it's something that should be worried about | 03:09 |
| daniels | KaiL_: none whatsoever | 03:10 |
| KaiL_ | ok | 03:10 |
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| scorpix | is there's any info about the next colony release?(Colony 2) | 03:35 |
| shawarma | What is this Colony thing? I've heard it mentioned before? | 03:38 |
| mdke | each testing release of breezy | 03:38 |
| shawarma | mdke: I see. | 03:38 |
| mdke | colony is the collective noun for badgers | 03:38 |
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| mdke | (apparently) | 03:38 |
| shawarma | mdke: Oh.. :-) Of course! | 03:38 |
| dooglus | www.badgerbadgerbadger.com | 03:39 |
| mjg59 | if ((device->status.present) && !(old_status.present)) { | 03:42 |
| mjg59 | ACPI_DEBUG_PRINT((ACPI_DB_INFO, "Device insertion detected\n")); | 03:42 |
| mjg59 | /* TBD: Handle device insertion */ | 03:42 |
| mjg59 | } | 03:42 |
| mjg59 | COCK. | 03:42 |
| dooglus | I think you need a semicolon not a period after 'COCK' | 03:42 |
| dooglus | hope that helps. | 03:42 |
| kent | dooglus, perhaps it is "COCK" as in F*CK? :) | 03:44 |
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| dooglus | kent: I think so | 03:45 |
| dooglus | I imagine he pasted that code by mistake. Perhaps he's a MicroSoft employee and that's the source code for Lornhorn, and he just gave it away by mistake. | 03:46 |
| mjg59 | No, I'm just swearing viciously at the completely useless state of the kernel ACPI support for anything other than servers | 03:48 |
| kent | dooglus, ;) | 03:49 |
| dooglus | I don't know much about ACPI support, but I can help you develop your swearing if you like | 03:49 |
| daniels | dooglus: it doesn't need any form of development whatsoever | 03:49 |
| dooglus | daniels: I beg to differ. If he thinks that "COCK" is swearing viciously, he's got a lot to learn. ;) | 03:50 |
| mjg59 | dooglus: You might want to check http://www.livejournal.com/users/mjg59/ | 03:53 |
| dooglus | I would like to take this opportunity to withdraw my heartless allegations of swearing-n00biness. You are the swear master. | 03:54 |
| mdke | *laughs* | 03:57 |
| mdke | my god he is | 03:57 |
| dooglus | He knows how to call Adobe Acrobat an "utter, utter cockmonkey". That's pretty advanced stuff. | 03:58 |
| mdke | subtle criticism | 04:00 |
| daniels | a link not to click for the easily offended: http://www.livejournal.com/~mjg59/31005.html | 04:01 |
| dooglus | oh, I see what you mean. hex arithmetic. nasty. | 04:02 |
| mdke | his avatar is a hoodie | 04:02 |
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| mjg59 | That is so not a hoodie | 04:03 |
| mdke | ;) | 04:03 |
| mdke | too late now | 04:03 |
| dooglus | looks like a cap with flappy ears to me | 04:03 |
| mdke | the asbo is in place | 04:03 |
| mjg59 | It's Marvin the Martian | 04:03 |
| mdke | = hoodie | 04:05 |
| fabbione | dpkg-deb: building package `linux-image-2.6.12-1-iseries-smp' in `../linux-image-2.6.12-1-iseries-smp_2.6.11.93-1.2_powerpc.deb'. | 04:05 |
| fabbione | whops.. ECHAN | 04:05 |
| bob2 | mdke: I'm pretty sure he was a Martian, not a jumper | 04:05 |
| mdke | well he is dressed appropriately for a saturday night round east london | 04:06 |
| dooglus | mjg59: I just read your Tuesday, May 17th posting about frequency scaling. My P4 laptop suffers thermal death regularly in Hoary, but never in Mandriva. If I run a "while(1);" loop in Hoary, the fan will run faster and faster and after 5 minutes the laptop will power down. Any idea why Mandriva copes and Ubuntu doesn't? | 04:10 |
| mjg59 | Is Mandriva using ACPI? | 04:11 |
| dooglus | append="devfs=mount splash=silent acpi=ht resume=/dev/hda5" | 04:12 |
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| dooglus | that's from the Mandrake lilo stanza | 04:13 |
| mjg59 | Hmm. I'm not sure if that disables the rest of acpi or not. I think it might do. | 04:13 |
| dooglus | I've no idea why I have acpi=ht there, but I do, and it seems to give me a system that boots and stays up. Which is more than I can say for ubuntu :( | 04:15 |
| dooglus | I wouldn't normally run the CPU flat out for 5 minutes at a time, but with the buggy ubuntu 'grep' I find I'm accidentally doing it quite often | 04:16 |
| daniels | it's not buggy, it's just not very performant | 04:16 |
| dooglus | daniels: I think it is buggy. Taking a time that's proportional to the square of the input file size instead of proportional to the size of the input file is a bug IMHO | 04:17 |
| dooglus | daniels: it means that it's impossible to grep through any reasonably large file, due to not having enough hours in the day | 04:18 |
| bob2 | mandrake doesn't use gnu grep? | 04:18 |
| dooglus | it does, but gnu grep has the bug | 04:18 |
| dooglus | on my laptop, this command runs in about half a second: time yes | head -999999 | LC_ALL=C grep . | wc -l | 04:20 |
| daniels | fedora has a patch to fix it | 04:21 |
| dooglus | on the same laptop, this command runs in about 40 hours: time yes | head -9999 | LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 grep . | wc -l | 04:21 |
| dooglus | that's a bug, right? (oops - I missed a couple of 9's from that 2nd command) | 04:21 |
| bob2 | certainly worth ranting on irc about | 04:22 |
| dooglus | bob2: :) | 04:22 |
| mjg59 | It's not buggy. It behaves correctly at all times. | 04:22 |
| fabbione | i see no difference here | 04:23 |
| fabbione | it takes 0.45 secs in both run | 04:23 |
| fabbione | actually... | 04:23 |
| mjg59 | But utf-8 is much slower to deal with | 04:23 |
| fabbione | with en_US is faster | 04:23 |
| dooglus | fabbione: did you try: yes | head -999999 | LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 grep . | wc -l | 04:23 |
| fabbione | yes | 04:23 |
| HrdwrBoB | real 0m0.339s | 04:23 |
| dooglus | (6 nines) | 04:23 |
| fabbione | yes | 04:23 |
| HrdwrBoB | to 0.352s | 04:23 |
| fabbione | time yes | head -999999 | LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 grep . | wc -l | 04:23 |
| fabbione | 999999 | 04:23 |
| fabbione | real 0m0.438s | 04:23 |
| fabbione | time yes | head -999999 | LC_ALL=C grep . | wc -l | 04:24 |
| fabbione | 999999 | 04:24 |
| fabbione | real 0m0.465s | 04:24 |
| dooglus | grep --version ? | 04:24 |
| bob2 | fabbione: do you have en_US.UTF-8 generated? | 04:25 |
| bob2 | if not, presumably it falls back to C | 04:25 |
| bob2 | en_US is fast for me, en_AU is not | 04:25 |
| dooglus | bob2: how can you tell which locale you have generate? | 04:26 |
| dooglus | d | 04:26 |
| fabbione | bob2: yeps | 04:26 |
| fabbione | i don't use en_IT :) | 04:26 |
| bob2 | heh | 04:26 |
| bob2 | dooglus: I'm guessing grep sucks with utf-8 strings? | 04:27 |
| bob2 | dooglus: cat /etc/locale.gen | 04:27 |
| dooglus | bob2: the problem is that grep runs over the whole input file for every match it does | 04:27 |
| dooglus | bob2: so it takes quadratic time instead of linear | 04:27 |
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| venda | can anyone recomend an IDE for Python other than IDLE | 05:02 |
| bob2 | emacs/vim. | 05:04 |
| venda | what about apps like Komodo | 05:04 |
| venda | boa-contructor | 05:05 |
| venda | bob2 what about eric3 | 05:07 |
| hunger | daniels: Please fix the slave link setup for twm's manpage in its postinst script. | 05:17 |
| daniels | hunger: i still don't see what's wrong. | 05:17 |
| daniels | (it's also sunday night) | 05:18 |
| hunger | daniels: You do not need to do it now, but please include it in the next upload. | 05:18 |
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| tseng | hunger: do you have a patch? | 05:39 |
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| hunger | tseng: Yes, just talked to daniels about it. | 05:42 |
| tseng | great, thanks. | 05:42 |
| hunger | tseng: He argues that he is doing the right thing and I have a screwed up system somehow. | 05:42 |
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| Amaranth | shouldn't apt-file depend on curl? | 05:56 |
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| martinhj | mjg59: the bug-report ok? | 05:59 |
| mjg59 | martinhj: Yup, that's great, thanks | 06:00 |
| mjg59 | I may have some extra debug stuff for you to test at some point, but no urgency | 06:00 |
| martinhj | mjg59: post it in the bugzilla or just mail me and I can add it | 06:01 |
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| seb128 | Amaranth: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=307833 | 06:23 |
| Amaranth | ah, good to know | 06:23 |
| seb128 | the maintainer disagree | 06:23 |
| seb128 | is that what is good to know? :) | 06:23 |
| Amaranth | *boggle* | 06:24 |
| Amaranth | how the hell can he disagree? it doesn't work without it | 06:25 |
| seb128 | read the bug | 06:25 |
| seb128 | it works if you configure it to use wget | 06:25 |
| Amaranth | which is crack, how am i supposed to know that? | 06:26 |
| seb128 | read the bug | 06:27 |
| Amaranth | i did | 06:28 |
| Amaranth | i like the Depends: wget | curl | 06:28 |
| seb128 | I've reopenned, that's the right way to fix it imho | 06:29 |
| Amaranth | just because the debian maintainer is braindead doesn't mean we have to be, it should 'Just Work' on install :) | 06:29 |
| seb128 | it'll | 06:29 |
| seb128 | but that doesn't mean we should let the bug for Debian and fix it for Ubuntu | 06:30 |
| Amaranth | no, i'm not saying that | 06:30 |
| Amaranth | just saying if he refuses to do anything i'll be submitting a patch for a MOTU | 06:31 |
| seb128 | it's already fixed IIRC | 06:31 |
| seb128 | there is a malone bug for it | 06:31 |
| Amaranth | malone is broken | 06:31 |
| seb128 | how so? | 06:32 |
| Amaranth | well, the main bugs pain gives an error and you can't file bugs | 06:33 |
| Amaranth | s/pain/page/ | 06:33 |
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| Amaranth | hehe | 06:34 |
| Amaranth | i forget what that's called | 06:35 |
| seb128 | somebody has opened #920 about apt-file | 06:36 |
| seb128 | grrr | 06:36 |
| seb128 | dup of #715 | 06:36 |
| seb128 | why people never look for a bug before putting a dup | 06:36 |
| seb128 | there is like 1 bug about apt-file | 06:36 |
| seb128 | 1 search to do | 06:36 |
| Amaranth | yeah, i opened 920 | 06:38 |
| hunger | Sep128: When I tried I could not search in malone, so I do not even try anymore before reporting a bug there. | 06:38 |
| Amaranth | because when i clicked the link to search i got an error | 06:38 |
| hunger | sep128: But then I do avoid reporting stuff in malone altogether and pester the people here instead;-) | 06:38 |
| Amaranth | no specific error, malone hides it behind an 'oops' page | 06:38 |
| seb128 | works here | 06:39 |
| seb128 | I've closed the bug | 06:39 |
| Amaranth | https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/ | 06:39 |
| Amaranth | "Sorry, a system error occurred" | 06:39 |
| seb128 | that's not a correct URI | 06:40 |
| Amaranth | that's what the report a bug page links to | 06:40 |
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| Amaranth | at the end of reporting a bug i got that error page too, i didn't even think it went through | 06:41 |
| Amaranth | heh, everytime you expand the 'Follow up on this comment' box the middle column gets bigger | 06:44 |
| {Seb} | i see there has been a new xorg package accepted into breezy | 06:44 |
| {Seb} | does this fix X? | 06:44 |
| Amaranth | best working X i've had yet | 06:45 |
| Amaranth | dunno if a clean install of it works though | 06:45 |
| seb128 | depending of what bug you have I guess | 06:45 |
| Amaranth | i've got lots of symlinks and stuff still hanging around | 06:45 |
| {Seb} | i mean the one that doesn't let you start x! | 06:45 |
| seb128 | dunno about this bug | 06:46 |
| Mithrandir | iz gtk bug, I guess. | 06:46 |
| seb128 | I guess so | 06:46 |
| seb128 | I don't use gtk :p | 06:46 |
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| Amaranth | seb128: I somehow have trouble believing that... | 06:47 |
| Mithrandir | Amaranth: you didn't know? seb128 is a die-hard kde user. | 06:47 |
| Mithrandir | he learnt that habit from daniels when daniels maintained KDE; don't use the packages you break^Wmaintain. | 06:48 |
| seb128 | (not true, I use wmaker) | 06:48 |
| Amaranth | of course, he just packages gnome to get his fix ;) | 06:48 |
| tseng | you should see his 48px Kicker | 06:48 |
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| Amaranth | speaking of which, you should see the setup i have for testing smeg | 06:49 |
| Amaranth | kicker on the left side, xfce4-panel on the bottom, gnome-panel on top | 06:50 |
| Amaranth | i need another fd.o complient menu system to put on the right | 06:50 |
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| Amaranth | ah, now i have xfce on the right, kicker on the left, and gnome-panel on the top and bottom | 06:53 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: hey, I was using KDE when I maintained it | 06:54 |
| Mithrandir | daniels: hmm, I thought you weren't. | 06:54 |
| daniels | {Seb}: there are lots of bugs that used to prevent you from starting X. if you aren't comfortable fixing them, breezy is not the one for you (and it's a #ubuntu question, anyway). | 06:55 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: nope, only stopped using KDE early 2004 | 06:55 |
| Amaranth | daniels: welcome to the dark side | 06:55 |
| Riddell | daniels: what made you stop? | 06:59 |
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| wasabi | eclipse is now installable. | 07:00 |
| === wasabi clap. | ||
| siretart | wasabi: you ROCK! | 07:00 |
| wasabi | Runs to. | 07:00 |
| === tseng sees your eclipse and raises you a monodevelop. | ||
| wasabi | tseng, oh so you guys have UML modeling tools now? | 07:00 |
| tseng | hah, no | 07:00 |
| zul | burn | 07:01 |
| tseng | we are too tough for that. | 07:01 |
| wasabi | fold? | 07:01 |
| daniels | Riddell: kde being uninstallable in sid, actually | 07:01 |
| tseng | we dont need any stinking uml :P | 07:01 |
| wasabi | how about refactoring? | 07:01 |
| siretart | yeah, let the flameware .NET against JAVA begin ;) | 07:02 |
| tseng | sweet/ | 07:02 |
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| wasabi | No need for that. | 07:02 |
| wasabi | I'm a C# developer in real life. | 07:02 |
| siretart | hehe | 07:02 |
| wasabi | Hmm. Scratch the part about it running. | 07:03 |
| Riddell | wasabi: Umbrello | 07:06 |
| wasabi | eh? | 07:07 |
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| Riddell | for UML | 07:07 |
| wasabi | oh. | 07:07 |
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| ogami1972b | hello channel- i am placing a bounty on .nsv support- anyone interested? | 07:11 |
| hunger | ogami1972b: nsv support? | 07:11 |
| ogami1972b | streaming video- i work hard to promote linux, but online multimedia support is often a deal breaker | 07:12 |
| ogami1972b | problems with atomfilms, shoutcast, etc | 07:12 |
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| ogami1972b | well, i'm not a rich man, but i can wash dishes, walk dogs, proofread and data entry- and hey, lady developers...;) | 07:16 |
| hunger | ogami1972b: You must be desperate to appeal to such a minority;-) | 07:17 |
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| lsuactiafner | root@infant-finite:~ # glxgears | 07:18 |
| lsuactiafner | glxgears: relocation error: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: symbol gnu_dev_makedev, | 07:18 |
| lsuactiafner | version GLIBC_2.3.3 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference | 07:18 |
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| lsuactiafner | anyone know how i can solve that? | 07:18 |
| ogami1972b | i really like linux- but my circle of family and friends are all saltwaterchimp addicts- i am certain if i could say "yes, linux supports .nsv streams", it would be a done deal | 07:19 |
| ogami1972b | so yes- i'll do just about anything | 07:19 |
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| dooglus | is evolution broken in breezy for everyone? I can't see my task list for example | 07:24 |
| dooglus | I don't see any mention of it on bugzilla | 07:24 |
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| zenrox | we need a kick in #ubuntu | 07:59 |
| zenrox | 2 kicks | 07:59 |
| zenrox | and bans | 07:59 |
| mdke | there are kicks and bans | 07:59 |
| mdke | in every irc network | 07:59 |
| lsuactiafner | please, flooder | 08:00 |
| zenrox | please | 08:00 |
| mdke | oh i c | 08:00 |
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| mdke | try #freenode if no one here is awake | 08:00 |
| zenrox | thares no ops in here | 08:01 |
| zenrox | lol | 08:01 |
| zenrox | thats awake | 08:01 |
| zenrox | crap | 08:01 |
| zenrox | hehehehe | 08:01 |
| ivoks | k-lined | 08:01 |
| mdke | good | 08:01 |
| zenrox | good | 08:01 |
| mjg59 | Oh, arse | 08:03 |
| mdke | ;) | 08:03 |
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| mjg59 | Hngh | 08:03 |
| mjg59 | Ah. I see. It's because the second serial port mysteriously vanishes after suspend. | 08:04 |
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| schweeb | mjg59: which laptop? | 08:28 |
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| dooglus | I found that evolution wouldn't show me any of my tasks, and was generally broken | 08:51 |
| dooglus | so I downloaded and compiled the source | 08:51 |
| dooglus | that fixed the problem, but it's for a newer version of evolution. | 08:51 |
| dooglus | why wouldn't the source and binary packages be of the same version? | 08:51 |
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| mez | anyone here on the PGP strong set and going to be in london on thursday | 09:00 |
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| Mithrandir | mez: there are ubuntu developers living in London, so I'd assume so. | 09:10 |
| mez | yeah, I know there are, which is whty I'm asking to try and get their attention | 09:11 |
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| mez | evening mdke :D | 09:18 |
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| mez | wtfC521097Eossible to get in the strong set without meeting anyone | 09:26 |
| mdke | hi mez | 09:28 |
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| Amaranth | mez: not possible to get in the strong set without meeting someone | 09:29 |
| Amaranth | mez: it wouldn't be a very strong set | 09:29 |
| mez | Amaranth | 09:29 |
| mez | aspparently, some idiot signed a RobotCA's key | 09:30 |
| Amaranth | what? | 09:30 |
| mez | key id | 09:30 |
| mez | C521097E | 09:31 |
| mez | is in the strong set | 09:31 |
| mez | http://keyserver.kjsl.com/~jharris/ka/current/C5/C521097E | 09:31 |
| mez | It's a robot CA | 09:31 |
| mez | hmmles | 09:32 |
| mez | that's pretty s**tty | 09:32 |
| mez | now should I set to not trust that key, or not trust the key signing it? (or both) | 09:32 |
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| siretart | mez: http://pgp.surfnet.nl:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0xC521097E | 09:37 |
| siretart | that key has quite a lot of signatures.. | 09:37 |
| sivang | seb128: ping | 09:38 |
| sivang | seb128: Bon Soir, any updates about lp integration? | 09:38 |
| seb128 | pong | 09:38 |
| seb128 | no | 09:38 |
| sivang | seb128: ah ok, it's sunday so that's explains it | 09:39 |
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| mez | yeah siretart | 09:40 |
| mez | It's like...a robot CA | 09:40 |
| mez | It's pathetic | 09:40 |
| mez | I dont know if I should even let it sign mine or not | 09:40 |
| mez | it gets me in trusted, but I feel a bit ... wrong | 09:42 |
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| zyga | hello | 09:51 |
| zyga | I've noticed that mplayer package lacks any script that would set up RTC on system startup | 09:52 |
| zyga | so I've written a tiny script based on skeleton file in /etc/init.d | 09:52 |
| zyga | I've looked up the package maintainer from the .deb file | 09:53 |
| zyga | contacted him and sent him the file along with descriptions | 09:53 |
| zyga | however - he says that he is neither debian nor ubuntu maintainer for that package | 09:53 |
| zyga | could anyone help me contact appropriate person? | 09:53 |
| lsuactiafner | zyga : you linked the RTC thing somewhere? | 09:54 |
| lsuactiafner | i want to look @ it and run it | 09:54 |
| zyga | lsuactiafner: wait, I will | 09:54 |
| lsuactiafner | cool thanks | 09:54 |
| lsuactiafner | if you dont have somewhre to upload ftp://ftp.puk.ac.za/outgoing/ is 900meters from me | 09:55 |
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| zyga | http://www.suxx.pl/mplayer | 09:55 |
| zyga | :-) | 09:55 |
| lsuactiafner | where is .pl? | 09:56 |
| lsuactiafner | poland? | 09:56 |
| zyga | hmm jun not jan | 09:56 |
| zyga | lsuactiafner: yes | 09:56 |
| zyga | lsuactiafner: slow? | 09:57 |
| zyga | lsuactiafner: it runs on my home adsl so it might not be zappy | 09:57 |
| lsuactiafner | Starting mplayer RTC setup script: mplayer-rtc./mplayer-rtc: line 30: /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq: No such file or directory | 09:57 |
| lsuactiafner | was quick to download | 09:57 |
| lsuactiafner | i'm on a 5k/s dailup | 09:57 |
| zyga | lsuactiafner: hmm :-) | 09:57 |
| zyga | lsuactiafner: thanks I'll patch that | 09:58 |
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| zyga | lsuactiafner: done, now it checks the path | 10:01 |
| lsuactiafner | k downloadin | 10:01 |
| zyga | lsuactiafner: are you using mplayer? | 10:01 |
| \sh | does anybody know something about HP and Ubuntu? Do they want to show up at linuxtag? | 10:02 |
| lsuactiafner | yeh | 10:02 |
| lsuactiafner | Starting mplayer RTC setup script: mplayer-rtc./mplayer-rtc: line 30: /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq: No such file or directory | 10:02 |
| lsuactiafner | what should be in /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq? | 10:02 |
| lsuactiafner | hmmm | 10:02 |
| zyga | lsuactiafner: hmm? strange | 10:02 |
| lsuactiafner | kernel should support it | 10:02 |
| lsuactiafner | let me check | 10:03 |
| lsuactiafner | # CONFIG_RTC is not set | 10:03 |
| lsuactiafner | lol | 10:03 |
| zyga | lsuactiafner: btw are you sure you've got the newer version? | 10:04 |
| zyga | lsuactiafner: I've added [ -w $RTC_PATH ] | 10:04 |
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| lsuactiafner | no idea | 10:05 |
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| zyga | lsuactiafner: grep for version | 10:06 |
| lsuactiafner | version of what? | 10:06 |
| zyga | grep Version mplayer-rtc | 10:07 |
| lsuactiafner | btw got no idea what rtc is but that its for timing and that i get the rtc error effect when i use mplayer | 10:07 |
| lsuactiafner | # Version: @(#)mplayer-rtc 0.1 05-jan-2005 zyga@www.suxx.pl | 10:07 |
| lsuactiafner | hmmmm | 10:07 |
| zyga | old one | 10:07 |
| zyga | lsuactiafner: strange | 10:07 |
| lsuactiafner | proxy maybe | 10:07 |
| lsuactiafner | [TXT] mplayer-rtc 05-Jun-2005 22:01 1k | 10:07 |
| lsuactiafner | refreshing | 10:08 |
| zyga | lsuactiafner: with rtc mplayer syncs video and audio better | 10:08 |
| lsuactiafner | [TXT] mplayer-rtc 05-Jun-2005 22:06 1k | 10:08 |
| zyga | lsuactiafner: I use default kernel and max-user-freq is 64, mplayer wants 1024 | 10:08 |
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| shaya | anyone here having X fail to start when they use breezy's X? | 10:16 |
| shaya | becaues of font problems | 10:16 |
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| wasabi | read topic | 10:20 |
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| herve | hi | 10:40 |
| herve | I am presented a patch setting "/proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to 1024 | 10:40 |
| herve | how do you feel about it? | 10:40 |
| zyga | I've asked - no one replied ;-) | 10:40 |
| herve | hehe | 10:41 |
| zyga | okay sorry - no one replied with concrete info | 10:41 |
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