[12:19] <tsume> ho ha!
[12:20] <tsume> I gained some extra speed by turning dithering and hwcursor off :P
[12:20] <dooglus> CLucene, I think you mean?
[12:20] <tsume> nvidia dithering sucks.. big time. Makes the text unreadable
[12:20] <tsume> dooglus: yes :)
[12:21] <dooglus> (google didn't offer the "did you mean CLucene" link when I googled for CLucence, so it took me a while to find it!
[12:21] <tsume> brb, tweaking gfx card
[12:21] <tsume> hehe
[12:21] <tsume> lolo
[12:21] <tsume> dooglus: my apologies
[12:21] <dooglus> after all the warnings about breezy being broken, I can't notice anything wrong with it at all, other than a few little things
[12:21] <tsume> dooglus: me either
[12:22] <herve> seems you missed the worst
[12:22] <herve> or it's just the eye of the storm
[12:23] <tsume> :'( I lost some speed just by having nvidia module render the cursor
[12:23] <tsume> its glitchy if I have sw render the cursor
[12:23] <tsume> s/its/the mouse/
[12:24] <tsume> oh well :)
[12:24] <tsume> I don't need the extra speed badly.. yet :)
[12:26] <tsume> actually, now that the crappy dithering is off, the rendering is now faster in every application :)
[12:27] <tsume> dithering sucks anyway. Who in the right mind wants to go blind? :)
[12:38] <Amaranth> SloMo_: Almost perfect, but you put some things in for translation that the user doesn't see. For instance entry.Show == 'Empty' comes from pyxdg, that needs to say 'Empty' no matter what language you're using.
[01:13] <skora> howdy.
[01:18] <mdke> hi skora 
[01:24] <skora> skora, hey
[01:24] <mdke> hmm
[01:25] <skora> do you know where I can find it at ?
[01:25] <skora> k
[01:25] <skora> thanks
[01:25] <mdke> skora, you msg'd me the question rather than asking it in the channel
[01:26] <skora> oh sorry. I thought you messaged just to me before hand.
[01:26] <skora> ack, sry again.
[01:26] <mdke> *laughs*
[01:27] <mdke> third time lucky
[01:27] <skora> i was going to put that into main chan
[01:27] <skora> hello everyone, i have a question about jdong's ubp-build.py script
[01:38] <dooglus> I'm new to breezy.  What should I do when I see:
[01:38] <dooglus> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:38] <dooglus>   splay: Depends: libid3-3.8.3 but it is not installable
[01:38] <dooglus> E: Broken packages
[01:38] <dooglus> should I (a) grin and bear it, (b) whinge here, (c) report it as a bug on bugzilla (d) none of the above?
[01:39] <zul> a and c
[01:39] <dooglus> thanks.
[01:39] <dooglus> I'll do that.
[01:46] <mjg59> elmo: Can we get MJ Ray removed from the keyring on the grounds that I'm sure his passport doesn't call him "MJ"?
[01:51] <SloMo_> Amaranth: at that position I wasn't sure ;) well but if that kind of mistakes are the only ones... ;) everything else works?
[01:54] <Amaranth> haven't actually run it
[01:54] <Amaranth> just looking at the code so i can merge it to my 0.8 tree
[02:04] <dooglus> sorry to be a pain, but I have 2 more questions:  1) is there a separate bugzilla for breezy?  2) is it OK to report 'universe' bugs, or aren't you interested in them?
[02:04] <dooglus> (I'm sure I'll become useful at some point in the future)
[02:05] <dooglus> I don't see anywhere on the bug reporting page where I can specify whether the bug is in hoary or breezy
[02:15] <SloMo_> Amaranth: when you merged it, can you send me a copy of your 0.8 tree? then i'll send just patches against that when i have new changes
[02:16] <Amaranth> SloMo_: I'll be putting it in my berlios.de svn repo
[02:17] <Amaranth> https://developer.berlios.de/projects/menueditor/
[02:18] <SloMo_> Amaranth: thanks... i'll have a look at it tomorrow... and now i'll go to sleep ;)
[02:18] <Amaranth> night
[03:15] <spanglesontoast> bit dead in here
[03:19] <Amaranth> weekend
[04:10] <zul> does anyone have an adm8211 based wi-fi card?
[06:28] <fabbione> morning
[08:45] <pitti> Morning
[08:46] <fabbione> hey pitti
[08:47] <pitti> gf is still asleep -> some h4ck time :-)
[08:47] <fabbione> ehheh
[08:47] <\sh> morning
[08:47] <pitti> uh, doko uploading xorg :-)
[08:47] <fabbione> pitti: let's deroot the kernel :)
[08:48] <pitti> fabbione: let's run the kernel as nobody as user process on top of HURD
[08:48] <\sh> python-kde3_3.11.4+snapshot20050316-0ubuntu2_source.changes ACCEPTED
[08:48] <\sh> now it goes
[08:48] <fabbione> pitti: yeah i guess doko got pissed at xbase-client breakage
[08:48] <fabbione> pitti: nah.. on top of OS/2 or a windows kernel
[08:53] <fabbione> goody
[08:53] <fabbione> time to do the last ppc64 test build and upload
[08:53] <fabbione> no actually.. it's sunday :)
[08:53] <fabbione> upload tomorrow :)
[08:54] <\sh> fabbione: pray before u upload (only sundays) ;)
[08:54] <fabbione> jamesh: why should i pray???
[08:54] <fabbione> i know these kernels won't even boot
[08:55] <fabbione> but at least i can make the buildd spending some extra CPU heating and increase universe entropy
[08:55] <\sh> fabbione: cause it's sunday :) the day where u normally go to church and pray ;)
[08:55] <fabbione> jamesh: given that you believe in church....
[08:55] <fabbione> ops
[08:55] <fabbione> sorry
[08:56] <fabbione> well time to take my wife to scouts
[08:56] <fabbione> bbl
[09:26] <Treenaks>  argh! why must gfloppy be so floppy-centric
[09:27] <pitti> Treenaks: I thought it was way easier to hack a new pygtk app?
[09:27] <Treenaks> pitti: so did I
[09:27] <Treenaks> pitti: until I /looked/ at the code instead of glancing over it
[09:28] <pitti> s/d$//
[09:28] <Treenaks> pitti: see also: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150782
[10:31] <stern_type> yeah,i'm the guy
[10:37] <stern_type> they didn't intended to get me  
[10:54] <ska-fan> Hmm, ubuntu should provide a free dns service like dyndns: ska-fan.ubuntu-at-home.org
[11:00] <\sh> for what?
[11:04] <daniels> why not just dyndns.org?
[11:05] <Lathiat> or $theothertentousandofdem
[11:07] <\sh> hmm...i could setup a dyndns alike service on sourcecode.de or on linux-server.org
[11:07] <bob2> or use them for something cool
[11:07] <bob2> or sell them on ebay!
[11:08] <\sh> hmm...
[11:08] <\sh> no
[11:08] <\sh> linuxshop.de and linuxmall.de are for selling ;) u want them? ,-)
[11:12] <ska-fan> daniels: dyndns has no hostnames with ubuntu in them :)
[11:13] <bob2> register ubuntu.dyndns.org and delegate NS records
[11:13] <bob2> stupid smbfs
[11:13] <bob2> it flakes out every 12 hours or so
[11:13] <bob2> then breaks lsof output
[11:13] <\sh> hahaha
[11:14] <bob2> umounting and remounting would fix it
[11:14] <bob2> if I could find out what is still using it
[11:14] <mjg59> Run ls -R through /proc and see where it breaks
[11:16] <bob2> mjg59: it seems to succeed
[11:20] <mjg59> Haha
[11:20] <mjg59> lsof ought to work, then
[11:21] <bob2> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() smbfs file system /mnt/ooder
[11:21] <mjg59> Oh, right
[11:21] <mjg59> Oops
[11:21] <mjg59> Well, ls -R through /proc and look for anything with a cwd or an fd in there
[11:24] <bob2> hrm
[12:48] <tseng> morn AndyFitz 
[12:48] <AndyFitz> yo tseng   nite here   how goes ?
[12:49] <tseng> good thanks
[12:49] <tseng> whats up?
[12:59] <shawarma> Do any of you guys have access to the wiki database? I can't log in. I get a Unicode decode error, probably because of a Danish character in my name...
[12:59] <AndyFitz> chilling on a perfect sunday mate.    hows your weekend ?
[12:59] <shawarma> ..and I'd like it to be changed, so that I can log in
[01:12] <mdke> shawarma, can you login at http://launchpad.ubuntu.com and change the account details?
[01:17] <mdke> shawarma, ?
[01:30] <shawarma> mdke: Sorry, I was away..
[01:30] <mdke> np
[01:30] <tuhl> Any ideas when X will wok again?
[01:31] <shawarma> mdke: Yup, I can. I didn't know they used the same user database..
[01:31] <daniels> it works now.
[01:31] <shawarma> mdke: Thanks!
[01:31] <mdke> tuhl, i tried yesterday wasn't working, but several people in #ubuntu told me that theirs is working out of the box
[01:31] <mdke> shawarma, np
[01:31] <daniels> if you've fiddled symlinks yourself to get stuff working, you've likely broken your system
[01:32] <daniels> else, the only other issue I know of is with manually-edited configuration files
[01:32] <mdke> daniels, i did a clean colony 1 install and upgrades yesterday and X would start because of a font problem
[01:32] <mdke> would/wouldn't
[01:32] <mdke> is it worth filing a bug?
[01:32] <tseng> did you dist-upgrade?
[01:32] <mdke> yes
[01:33] <tseng> thats already been fixed unless you editing xorg.conf
[01:33] <daniels> mdke: no, already fixed in later versions
[01:33] <mdke> hmm
[01:33] <mdke> i wonder why it didn't work for me
[01:33] <mdke> is it uploaded?
[01:33] <daniels> yes
[01:33] <mdke> :/
[01:34] <mdke> i tried booting in single user and doing a -reconfigure, no dice
[01:34] <mdke> daniels, if it is fixed, maybe my problem was another one?
[01:35] <daniels> mdke: are you getting 'can't open default font "fixed"'?
[01:35] <mdke> yes
[01:35] <mdke> and the system crashes
[01:35] <mdke> sort of
[01:35] <daniels> firstly, check which version of xserver-xorg you have
[01:35] <daniels> secondly, check what the FontPath entries are in xorg.conf
[01:36] <mdke> they were /usr/share
[01:36] <daniels> if they're /usr/lib/X11 rather than /usr/share/X11, change 'em
[01:36] <daniels> i see
[01:36] <mdke> as for the version, it was the latest from the archives
[01:36] <mdke> everything was up to date except a couple of packages kept back like evolution-data-server
[01:37] <daniels> what version is xfonts-misc?
[01:37] <daniels> er, xfonts-base
[01:37] <tuhl> mdke: the xbase-clients package based on xorg is broken
[01:37] <mdke> i'm afraid I can't tell you specifically, i formatted, but it was up to date
[01:38] <mdke> daniels, ^
[01:38] <mdke> i'll reinstall again if you think it is worth pursuing
[01:38] <mdke> have some time on my hands today
[01:39] <daniels> tuhl: different issue
[01:40] <daniels> mdke: sure, if you want to; i can't see how it would occur, from here
[01:41] <mdke> the first dist-upgrade i did didn't go cleanly. x-window-system-core didn't get upgraded due to dependency problems, then I did a second dist-upgrade and it worked fine. could that be related to the problem?
[01:42] <daniels> uhm, probably
[01:42] <mdke> no idea why
[01:42] <mdke> it was literally a clean install from cd then straight into synaptic for a dist-upgrade
[01:43] <mdke> default sources.list
[01:43] <mdke> oh well
[02:16] <tuhl> hi 
[02:16] <tuhl> I updated to the latest X11 packages
[02:16] <tuhl> X still does not start
[02:16] <tuhl> Fatal server error:
[02:16] <tuhl> could not open default font 'fixed';
[02:17] <tuhl> obviously there is a problem with xfs
[02:17] <tuhl> where does it log to?
[02:17] <daniels> a) this is a #ubuntu thing, b) we don't use fs at all, and never have
[02:18] <tuhl> ok
[02:19] <tuhl> I was used tio ferdora sorry
[02:19] <tuhl> so there is a problem open fixed font...
[02:20] <tuhl> who can I fix this? by reconfiguring X?
[02:24] <tuhl> what is the reason why the DISPLAY env var is not set when I login by ssh?
[02:25] <\sh> tuhl: no xauth?
[02:26] <tuhl> \sh: which xauth: /usr/bin/xauth
[02:27] <seb128> hi
[02:27] <seb128> elmo, lamont: any idea of why evolution doesn't build?
[02:27] <\sh> tuhl: then ForwardX11 yes in ~/.ssh/config ?
[02:32] <tuhl> \sh yes
[02:33] <tuhl> in /etc/ssh/
[02:33] <\sh> tuhl: so xauth is on your remote machine
[02:33] <\sh> ForwardX11 yes is in your local .ssh/confi
[02:34] <\sh> X11Forwarding yes
[02:34] <\sh> X11DisplayOffset 10
[02:34] <\sh> in your remote /etc/ssh/sshd_config?
[02:35] <mjg59> Hngh.
[02:39] <martinhj> mjg59: did a fix on my Acer's DSDT table too once (on a TravelMate 620). The question is if the fix does any real difference
[02:39] <daniels> \sh: because ssh is broken
[02:39] <\sh> daniels: breezy?
[02:39] <daniels> you need to sudo ln -s /usr/bin/xauth /usr/bin/X11/xauth
[02:39] <\sh> in hoary it works
[02:39] <daniels> \sh: yes
[02:39] <daniels> i filed a bug on it pre-warty
[02:40] <\sh> daniels: surprise
[02:40] <tuhl> daniels: thanks
[02:41] <siretart> seb128: I'm reviewing a rather old package here: http://www.metallikop.com/ubuntu/grubconf_0.5.1-4ubuntu2.dsc. The changelog states that you created 0.5.1-4ubuntu1, but this version never got uploaded to the archive. Do you remember what happened to that package?
[02:42] <seb128> siretart: ??
[02:42] <martinhj> mjg59: what kind of devices is in question? IDE-devices in the module-bay?
[02:42] <seb128> siretart: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hoary-changes/2005-January/001417.html
[02:42] <siretart> seb128: yes, I'm a bit confused, too
[02:43] <mjg59> martinhj: Yes
[02:43] <siretart> HAE?!
[02:43] <siretart> why doesn't that version appear on packages.ubuntu.com/grubconf
[02:43] <martinhj> mjg59: because of the thread about laptop testing specs on ubuntu-devel list?
[02:44] <mjg59> martinhj: Yeah
[02:45] <tuhl> my X11 is working again after modifying the fonts paths
[02:45] <martinhj> martinhj: ok, I'm the one who suggested it in to the specs. It's been a future in Windows for many years. Would love to see it in Linux too.. so Windows does not poll the ide bus or anything like that, then?
[02:46] <martinhj> eh, that was for mjg59 :-)
[02:46] <mjg59> Windows doesn't do it at all - the system drivers do it
[02:46] <mjg59> So it's all entirely manufacturer specific
[02:46] <mjg59> For the 620, it looks like it may have to be polled. The 650 has notification.
[02:47] <martinhj> ok
[02:48] <martinhj> is there a standard the manufacturer should follow to have notifications so one could bug the manufacturers to get them to fix the BIOSes?
[02:48] <doko> seb128: evolution: spamassassin is not in main
[02:48] <mjg59> martinhj: Nope
[02:48] <seb128> doko: oh, they made a Depends of it? I've not noticed, thanks
[02:49] <seb128> doko: are you sure? The build log complains about a e-s-d lib
[02:49] <mjg59> martinhj: Not as far as I can tell, at least...
[02:49] <martinhj> mjg59: I cann still open a bug if you want to
[02:50] <mjg59> martinhj: Yeah, please do
[02:50] <doko> seb128: at least it cannot be _installed_ for that reason
[02:50] <seb128> doko: it's not even built
[02:51] <seb128> doko: my local tree has it a Recommends
[02:51] <seb128> doko: I don't get it
[02:53] <martinhj> mjg59: under what package?
[02:54] <mjg59> martinhj: The kernel for now, and cc mjg59@codon.org.uk on it
[02:55] <martinhj> ok
[03:03] <anto9us> is anyone involved in the ubuntulinux.org web development here? I'm not sure but I may have exposed a security issue
[03:03] <doko> seb128: libecall1.2-3 is not in main
[03:04] <seb128> yeah, soname change
[03:04] <mdke> anto9us, you can contact the webmaster or file a bug maybe
[03:04] <doko> seb128: and why doesn't libedataserver1.2-dev depend on an old db4.1-dev?
[03:04] <doko> seb128: better: and why does libedataserver1.2-dev depend on an old db4.1-dev?
[03:04] <seb128> doko: why not?
[03:04] <seb128> doko: it uses libdb4.1
[03:08] <KaiL_> daniels: where there some significant changes in the r200 driver between the one used in hoary and the one in breezy? (maybe some performance fixed backported?)
[03:08] <anto9us> mdke: I don't have the time or energy and this potential exploit may already be out in the open, I've sort of accidentily revealed it in #ubuntu, can I private message you?
[03:08] <mdke> anto9us, i can't do anything about it
[03:08] <mdke> maybe elmo can
[03:09] <mdke> anto9us, but if you have the energy to talk about it here, you should be able to write an email to the webmaster
[03:09] <Mithrandir> anto9us: give me the details and I'll see if I can get the attention of our internal web people.
[03:09] <anto9us> mdke: I want to know if it's something that should be worried about
[03:10] <daniels> KaiL_: none whatsoever
[03:10] <KaiL_> ok
[03:35] <scorpix> is there's any info about the next colony release?(Colony 2)
[03:38] <shawarma> What is this Colony thing? I've heard it mentioned before?
[03:38] <mdke> each testing release of breezy
[03:38] <shawarma> mdke: I see.
[03:38] <mdke> colony is the collective noun for badgers
[03:38] <mdke> (apparently)
[03:38] <shawarma> mdke: Oh.. :-) Of course!
[03:39] <dooglus> www.badgerbadgerbadger.com
[03:42] <mjg59>         if ((device->status.present) && !(old_status.present)) {
[03:42] <mjg59>                 ACPI_DEBUG_PRINT((ACPI_DB_INFO, "Device insertion detected\n"));
[03:42] <mjg59>                 /* TBD: Handle device insertion */
[03:42] <mjg59>         }
[03:42] <mjg59> COCK.
[03:42] <dooglus> I think you need a semicolon not a period after 'COCK'
[03:42] <dooglus> hope that helps.
[03:44] <kent> dooglus, perhaps it is "COCK" as in F*CK? :)
[03:45] <dooglus> kent: I think so
[03:46] <dooglus> I imagine he pasted that code by mistake.  Perhaps he's a MicroSoft employee and that's the source code for Lornhorn, and he just gave it away by mistake.
[03:48] <mjg59> No, I'm just swearing viciously at the completely useless state of the kernel ACPI support for anything other than servers
[03:49] <kent> dooglus, ;)
[03:49] <dooglus> I don't know much about ACPI support, but I can help you develop your swearing if you like
[03:49] <daniels> dooglus: it doesn't need any form of development whatsoever
[03:50] <dooglus> daniels: I beg to differ.  If he thinks that "COCK" is swearing viciously, he's got a lot to learn.  ;)
[03:53] <mjg59> dooglus: You might want to check http://www.livejournal.com/users/mjg59/
[03:54] <dooglus> I would like to take this opportunity to withdraw my heartless allegations of swearing-n00biness.  You are the swear master.
[03:57] <mdke> *laughs*
[03:57] <mdke> my god he is
[03:58] <dooglus> He knows how to call Adobe Acrobat an "utter, utter cockmonkey".  That's pretty advanced stuff.
[04:00] <mdke> subtle criticism
[04:01] <daniels> a link not to click for the easily offended: http://www.livejournal.com/~mjg59/31005.html
[04:02] <dooglus> oh, I see what you mean.  hex arithmetic.  nasty.
[04:02] <mdke> his avatar is a hoodie
[04:03] <mjg59> That is so not a hoodie
[04:03] <mdke> ;)
[04:03] <mdke> too late now
[04:03] <dooglus> looks like a cap with flappy ears to me
[04:03] <mdke> the asbo is in place
[04:03] <mjg59> It's Marvin the Martian
[04:05] <mdke> = hoodie
[04:05] <fabbione> dpkg-deb: building package `linux-image-2.6.12-1-iseries-smp' in `../linux-image-2.6.12-1-iseries-smp_2.6.11.93-1.2_powerpc.deb'.
[04:05] <fabbione> whops.. ECHAN
[04:05] <bob2> mdke: I'm pretty sure he was a Martian, not a jumper
[04:06] <mdke> well he is dressed appropriately for a saturday night round east london
[04:10] <dooglus> mjg59: I just read your Tuesday, May 17th posting about frequency scaling.  My P4 laptop suffers thermal death regularly in Hoary, but never in Mandriva.  If I run a "while(1);" loop in Hoary, the fan will run faster and faster and after 5 minutes the laptop will power down.  Any idea why Mandriva copes and Ubuntu doesn't?
[04:11] <mjg59> Is Mandriva using ACPI?
[04:12] <dooglus> append="devfs=mount splash=silent acpi=ht resume=/dev/hda5"
[04:13] <dooglus> that's from the Mandrake lilo stanza
[04:13] <mjg59> Hmm. I'm not sure if that disables the rest of acpi or not. I think it might do.
[04:15] <dooglus> I've no idea why I have acpi=ht there, but I do, and it seems to give me a system that boots and stays up.  Which is more than I can say for ubuntu :(
[04:16] <dooglus> I wouldn't normally run the CPU flat out for 5 minutes at a time, but with the buggy ubuntu 'grep' I find I'm accidentally doing it quite often
[04:16] <daniels> it's not buggy, it's just not very performant
[04:17] <dooglus> daniels: I think it is buggy.  Taking a time that's proportional to the square of the input file size instead of proportional to the size of the input file is a bug IMHO
[04:18] <dooglus> daniels: it means that it's impossible to grep through any reasonably large file, due to not having enough hours in the day
[04:18] <bob2> mandrake doesn't use gnu grep?
[04:18] <dooglus> it does, but gnu grep has the bug
[04:20] <dooglus> on my laptop, this command runs in about half a second:    time yes | head -999999 | LC_ALL=C grep . | wc -l
[04:21] <daniels> fedora has a patch to fix it
[04:21] <dooglus> on the same laptop, this command runs in about 40 hours:    time yes | head -9999 | LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 grep . | wc -l
[04:21] <dooglus> that's a bug, right?  (oops - I missed a couple of 9's from that 2nd command)
[04:22] <bob2> certainly worth ranting on irc about
[04:22] <dooglus> bob2: :)
[04:22] <mjg59> It's not buggy. It behaves correctly at all times.
[04:23] <fabbione> i see no difference here
[04:23] <fabbione> it takes 0.45 secs in both run
[04:23] <fabbione> actually...
[04:23] <mjg59> But utf-8 is much slower to deal with
[04:23] <fabbione> with en_US is faster
[04:23] <dooglus> fabbione: did you try:    yes | head -999999 | LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 grep . | wc -l
[04:23] <fabbione> yes
[04:23] <HrdwrBoB> real    0m0.339s
[04:23] <dooglus> (6 nines)
[04:23] <fabbione> yes
[04:23] <HrdwrBoB> to 0.352s
[04:23] <fabbione> time yes  | head -999999 | LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 grep . | wc -l
[04:23] <fabbione> 999999
[04:23] <fabbione> real    0m0.438s
[04:24] <fabbione>  time yes  | head -999999 | LC_ALL=C grep . | wc -l
[04:24] <fabbione> 999999
[04:24] <fabbione> real    0m0.465s
[04:24] <dooglus> grep --version ?
[04:25] <bob2> fabbione: do you have en_US.UTF-8 generated?
[04:25] <bob2> if not, presumably it falls back to C
[04:25] <bob2> en_US is fast for me, en_AU is not
[04:26] <dooglus> bob2: how can you tell which locale you have generate?
[04:26] <dooglus> d
[04:26] <fabbione> bob2: yeps
[04:26] <fabbione> i don't use en_IT :)
[04:26] <bob2> heh
[04:27] <bob2> dooglus: I'm guessing grep sucks with utf-8 strings?
[04:27] <bob2> dooglus: cat /etc/locale.gen
[04:27] <dooglus> bob2: the problem is that grep runs over the whole input file for every match it does
[04:27] <dooglus> bob2: so it takes quadratic time instead of linear
[05:02] <venda> can anyone recomend an IDE for Python other than IDLE
[05:04] <bob2> emacs/vim.
[05:04] <venda> what about apps like Komodo
[05:05] <venda> boa-contructor
[05:07] <venda> bob2 what about eric3
[05:17] <hunger> daniels: Please fix the slave link setup for twm's manpage in its postinst script.
[05:17] <daniels> hunger: i still don't see what's wrong.
[05:18] <daniels> (it's also sunday night)
[05:18] <hunger> daniels: You do not need to do it now, but please include it in the next upload.
[05:39] <tseng> hunger: do you have a patch?
[05:42] <hunger> tseng: Yes, just talked to daniels about it.
[05:42] <tseng> great, thanks.
[05:42] <hunger> tseng: He argues that he is doing the right thing and I have a screwed up system somehow.
[05:56] <Amaranth> shouldn't apt-file depend on curl?
[05:59] <martinhj> mjg59: the bug-report ok?
[06:00] <mjg59> martinhj: Yup, that's great, thanks
[06:00] <mjg59> I may have some extra debug stuff for you to test at some point, but no urgency
[06:01] <martinhj> mjg59: post it in the bugzilla or just mail me and I can add it
[06:23] <seb128> Amaranth: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=307833
[06:23] <Amaranth> ah, good to know
[06:23] <seb128> the maintainer disagree
[06:23] <seb128> is that what is good to know? :)
[06:24] <Amaranth> *boggle*
[06:25] <Amaranth> how the hell can he disagree? it doesn't work without it
[06:25] <seb128> read the bug
[06:25] <seb128> it works if you configure it to use wget
[06:26] <Amaranth> which is crack, how am i supposed to know that?
[06:27] <seb128> read the bug
[06:28] <Amaranth> i did
[06:28] <Amaranth> i like the Depends: wget | curl
[06:29] <seb128> I've reopenned, that's the right way to fix it imho
[06:29] <Amaranth> just because the debian maintainer is braindead doesn't mean we have to be, it should 'Just Work' on install :)
[06:29] <seb128> it'll
[06:30] <seb128> but that doesn't mean we should let the bug for Debian and fix it for Ubuntu
[06:30] <Amaranth> no, i'm not saying that
[06:31] <Amaranth> just saying if he refuses to do anything i'll be submitting a patch for a MOTU
[06:31] <seb128> it's already fixed IIRC
[06:31] <seb128> there is a malone bug for it
[06:31] <Amaranth> malone is broken
[06:32] <seb128> how so?
[06:33] <Amaranth> well, the main bugs pain gives an error and you can't file bugs
[06:33] <Amaranth> s/pain/page/
[06:34] <Amaranth> hehe
[06:35] <Amaranth> i forget what that's called
[06:36] <seb128> somebody has opened #920 about apt-file
[06:36] <seb128> grrr
[06:36] <seb128> dup of #715
[06:36] <seb128> why people never look for a bug before putting a dup
[06:36] <seb128> there is like 1 bug about apt-file
[06:36] <seb128> 1 search to do
[06:38] <Amaranth> yeah, i opened 920
[06:38] <hunger> Sep128: When I tried I could not search in malone, so I do not even try anymore before reporting a bug there.
[06:38] <Amaranth> because when i clicked the link to search i got an error
[06:38] <hunger> sep128: But then I do avoid reporting stuff in malone altogether and pester the people here instead;-)
[06:38] <Amaranth> no specific error, malone hides it behind an 'oops' page
[06:39] <seb128> works here 
[06:39] <seb128> I've closed the bug
[06:39] <Amaranth> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/
[06:39] <Amaranth> "Sorry, a system error occurred"
[06:40] <seb128> that's not a correct URI
[06:40] <Amaranth> that's what the report a bug page links to
[06:41] <Amaranth> at the end of reporting a bug i got that error page too, i didn't even think it went through
[06:44] <Amaranth> heh, everytime you expand the 'Follow up on this comment' box the middle column gets bigger
[06:44] <{Seb}> i see there has been a new xorg package accepted into breezy
[06:44] <{Seb}> does this fix X?
[06:45] <Amaranth> best working X i've had yet
[06:45] <Amaranth> dunno if a clean install of it works though
[06:45] <seb128> depending of what bug you have I guess
[06:45] <Amaranth> i've got lots of symlinks and stuff still hanging around
[06:45] <{Seb}> i mean the one that doesn't let you start x!
[06:46] <seb128> dunno about this bug
[06:46] <Mithrandir> iz gtk bug, I guess.
[06:46] <seb128> I guess so
[06:46] <seb128> I don't use gtk :p
[06:47] <Amaranth> seb128: I somehow have trouble believing that...
[06:47] <Mithrandir> Amaranth: you didn't know?  seb128 is a die-hard kde user.
[06:48] <Mithrandir> he learnt that habit from daniels when daniels maintained KDE; don't use the packages you break^Wmaintain.
[06:48] <seb128> (not true, I use wmaker)
[06:48] <Amaranth> of course, he just packages gnome to get his fix ;)
[06:48] <tseng> you should see his 48px Kicker
[06:49] <Amaranth> speaking of which, you should see the setup i have for testing smeg
[06:50] <Amaranth> kicker on the left side, xfce4-panel on the bottom, gnome-panel on top
[06:50] <Amaranth> i need another fd.o complient menu system to put on the right
[06:53] <Amaranth> ah, now i have xfce on the right, kicker on the left, and gnome-panel on the top and bottom
[06:54] <daniels> Mithrandir: hey, I was using KDE when I maintained it
[06:54] <Mithrandir> daniels: hmm, I thought you weren't.
[06:55] <daniels> {Seb}: there are lots of bugs that used to prevent you from starting X.  if you aren't comfortable fixing them, breezy is not the one for you (and it's a #ubuntu question, anyway).
[06:55] <daniels> Mithrandir: nope, only stopped using KDE early 2004
[06:55] <Amaranth> daniels: welcome to the dark side
[06:59] <Riddell> daniels: what made you stop?
[07:00] <wasabi> eclipse is now installable.
[07:00] <siretart> wasabi: you ROCK!
[07:00] <wasabi> Runs to.
[07:00] <wasabi> tseng, oh so you guys have UML modeling tools now?
[07:00] <tseng> hah, no
[07:01] <zul> burn
[07:01] <tseng> we are too tough for that.
[07:01] <wasabi> fold?
[07:01] <daniels> Riddell: kde being uninstallable in sid, actually
[07:01] <tseng> we dont need any stinking uml :P
[07:01] <wasabi> how about refactoring?
[07:02] <siretart> yeah, let the flameware .NET against JAVA begin ;)
[07:02] <tseng> sweet/
[07:02] <wasabi> No need for that.
[07:02] <wasabi> I'm a C# developer in real life.
[07:02] <siretart> hehe
[07:03] <wasabi> Hmm. Scratch the part about it running.
[07:06] <Riddell> wasabi: Umbrello
[07:07] <wasabi> eh?
[07:07] <Riddell> for UML
[07:07] <wasabi> oh.
[07:11] <ogami1972b> hello channel- i am placing a bounty on .nsv support- anyone interested?
[07:11] <hunger> ogami1972b: nsv support?
[07:12] <ogami1972b> streaming video- i work hard to promote linux, but online multimedia support is often a deal breaker
[07:12] <ogami1972b> problems with atomfilms, shoutcast, etc
[07:16] <ogami1972b> well, i'm not a rich man, but i can wash dishes, walk dogs, proofread and data entry- and hey, lady developers...;)
[07:17] <hunger> ogami1972b: You must be desperate to appeal to such a minority;-)
[07:18] <lsuactiafner> root@infant-finite:~ # glxgears
[07:18] <lsuactiafner> glxgears: relocation error: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: symbol gnu_dev_makedev,
[07:18] <lsuactiafner> version GLIBC_2.3.3 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
[07:18] <lsuactiafner> anyone know how i can solve that?
[07:19] <ogami1972b> i really like linux- but my circle of family and friends are all saltwaterchimp addicts- i am certain if i could say "yes, linux supports .nsv streams", it would be a done deal
[07:19] <ogami1972b> so yes- i'll do just about anything
[07:24] <dooglus> is evolution broken in breezy for everyone?  I can't see my task list for example
[07:24] <dooglus> I don't see any mention of it on bugzilla
[07:59] <zenrox> we need a kick in #ubuntu
[07:59] <zenrox> 2 kicks
[07:59] <zenrox> and bans
[07:59] <mdke> there are kicks and bans
[07:59] <mdke> in every irc network
[08:00] <lsuactiafner> please, flooder
[08:00] <zenrox> please
[08:00] <mdke> oh i c
[08:00] <mdke> try #freenode if no one here is awake
[08:01] <zenrox> thares no ops in here 
[08:01] <zenrox> lol
[08:01] <zenrox> thats awake
[08:01] <zenrox> crap
[08:01] <zenrox> hehehehe
[08:01] <ivoks> k-lined
[08:01] <mdke> good
[08:01] <zenrox> good
[08:03] <mjg59> Oh, arse
[08:03] <mdke> ;)
[08:03] <mjg59> Hngh
[08:04] <mjg59> Ah. I see. It's because the second serial port mysteriously vanishes after suspend.
[08:28] <schweeb> mjg59: which laptop?
[08:51] <dooglus> I found that evolution wouldn't show me any of my tasks, and was generally broken
[08:51] <dooglus> so I downloaded and compiled the source
[08:51] <dooglus> that fixed the problem, but it's for a newer version of evolution.
[08:51] <dooglus> why wouldn't the source and binary packages be of the same version?
[09:00] <mez> anyone here on the PGP strong set and going to be in london on thursday
[09:10] <Mithrandir> mez: there are ubuntu developers living in London, so I'd assume so.
[09:11] <mez> yeah, I know there are, which is whty I'm asking to try and get their attention
[09:18] <mez> evening mdke :D
[09:26] <mez> wtfC521097Eossible to get in the strong set without meeting anyone
[09:28] <mdke> hi mez 
[09:29] <Amaranth> mez: not possible to get in the strong set without meeting someone
[09:29] <Amaranth> mez: it wouldn't be a very strong set
[09:29] <mez> Amaranth
[09:30] <mez> aspparently, some idiot signed a RobotCA's key
[09:30] <Amaranth> what?
[09:30] <mez> key id
[09:31] <mez> C521097E
[09:31] <mez> is in the strong set
[09:31] <mez> http://keyserver.kjsl.com/~jharris/ka/current/C5/C521097E
[09:31] <mez> It's a robot CA
[09:32] <mez> hmmles
[09:32] <mez> that's pretty s**tty
[09:32] <mez> now should I set to not trust that key, or not trust the key signing it? (or both)
[09:37] <siretart> mez: http://pgp.surfnet.nl:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0xC521097E
[09:37] <siretart> that key has quite a lot of signatures..
[09:38] <sivang> seb128: ping
[09:38] <sivang> seb128: Bon Soir, any updates about lp integration?
[09:38] <seb128> pong
[09:38] <seb128> no
[09:39] <sivang> seb128: ah ok, it's sunday so that's explains it
[09:40] <mez> yeah siretart
[09:40] <mez> It's like...a robot CA
[09:40] <mez> It's pathetic
[09:40] <mez> I dont know if I should even let it sign mine or not
[09:42] <mez> it gets me in trusted, but I feel a bit ... wrong
[09:51] <zyga> hello
[09:52] <zyga> I've noticed that mplayer package lacks any script that would set up RTC on system startup
[09:52] <zyga> so I've written a tiny script based on skeleton file in /etc/init.d
[09:53] <zyga> I've looked up the package maintainer from the .deb file
[09:53] <zyga> contacted him and sent him the file along with descriptions
[09:53] <zyga> however - he says that he is neither debian nor ubuntu maintainer for that package
[09:53] <zyga> could anyone help me contact appropriate person?
[09:54] <lsuactiafner> zyga : you linked the RTC thing somewhere?
[09:54] <lsuactiafner> i want to look @ it and run it
[09:54] <zyga> lsuactiafner: wait, I will
[09:54] <lsuactiafner> cool thanks
[09:55] <lsuactiafner> if you dont have somewhre to upload ftp://ftp.puk.ac.za/outgoing/ is 900meters from me
[09:55] <zyga> http://www.suxx.pl/mplayer
[09:55] <zyga> :-)
[09:56] <lsuactiafner> where is .pl?
[09:56] <lsuactiafner> poland?
[09:56] <zyga> hmm jun not jan
[09:56] <zyga> lsuactiafner: yes
[09:57] <zyga> lsuactiafner: slow?
[09:57] <zyga> lsuactiafner: it runs on my home adsl so it might not be zappy
[09:57] <lsuactiafner> Starting mplayer RTC setup script: mplayer-rtc./mplayer-rtc: line 30: /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq: No such file or directory
[09:57] <lsuactiafner> was quick to download
[09:57] <lsuactiafner> i'm on a 5k/s dailup
[09:57] <zyga> lsuactiafner: hmm :-)
[09:58] <zyga> lsuactiafner: thanks I'll patch that
[10:01] <zyga> lsuactiafner: done, now it checks the path
[10:01] <lsuactiafner> k downloadin
[10:01] <zyga> lsuactiafner: are you using mplayer?
[10:02] <\sh> does anybody know something about HP and Ubuntu? Do they want to show up at linuxtag?
[10:02] <lsuactiafner> yeh
[10:02] <lsuactiafner> Starting mplayer RTC setup script: mplayer-rtc./mplayer-rtc: line 30: /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq: No such file or directory
[10:02] <lsuactiafner> what should be in /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq?
[10:02] <lsuactiafner> hmmm
[10:02] <zyga> lsuactiafner: hmm? strange 
[10:02] <lsuactiafner> kernel should support it
[10:03] <lsuactiafner> let me check
[10:03] <lsuactiafner> # CONFIG_RTC is not set
[10:03] <lsuactiafner> lol
[10:04] <zyga> lsuactiafner: btw are you sure you've got the newer version?
[10:04] <zyga> lsuactiafner: I've added [ -w $RTC_PATH ] 
[10:05] <lsuactiafner> no idea
[10:06] <zyga> lsuactiafner:  grep for version
[10:06] <lsuactiafner> version of what?
[10:07] <zyga> grep Version mplayer-rtc
[10:07] <lsuactiafner> btw got no idea what rtc is but that its for timing and that i get the rtc error effect when i use mplayer
[10:07] <lsuactiafner> # Version:      @(#)mplayer-rtc  0.1 05-jan-2005 zyga@www.suxx.pl
[10:07] <lsuactiafner> hmmmm
[10:07] <zyga> old one
[10:07] <zyga> lsuactiafner:  strange
[10:07] <lsuactiafner> proxy maybe
[10:07] <lsuactiafner>  [TXT]   mplayer-rtc             05-Jun-2005 22:01     1k
[10:08] <lsuactiafner> refreshing
[10:08] <zyga> lsuactiafner: with rtc mplayer syncs video and audio better
[10:08] <lsuactiafner>  [TXT]   mplayer-rtc             05-Jun-2005 22:06     1k
[10:08] <zyga> lsuactiafner: I use default kernel and max-user-freq is 64, mplayer wants 1024
[10:16] <shaya> anyone here having X fail to start when they use breezy's X?
[10:16] <shaya> becaues of font problems
[10:20] <wasabi> read topic
[10:40] <herve> hi
[10:40] <herve> I am presented a patch setting "/proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to 1024
[10:40] <herve> how do you feel about it?
[10:40] <zyga> I've asked - no one replied ;-)
[10:41] <herve> hehe
[10:41] <zyga> okay sorry - no one replied with concrete info