[12:19] ho ha! [12:20] I gained some extra speed by turning dithering and hwcursor off :P [12:20] CLucene, I think you mean? [12:20] nvidia dithering sucks.. big time. Makes the text unreadable [12:20] dooglus: yes :) [12:21] (google didn't offer the "did you mean CLucene" link when I googled for CLucence, so it took me a while to find it! [12:21] brb, tweaking gfx card [12:21] hehe [12:21] lolo [12:21] dooglus: my apologies [12:21] after all the warnings about breezy being broken, I can't notice anything wrong with it at all, other than a few little things [12:21] dooglus: me either [12:22] seems you missed the worst [12:22] or it's just the eye of the storm [12:23] :'( I lost some speed just by having nvidia module render the cursor [12:23] its glitchy if I have sw render the cursor [12:23] s/its/the mouse/ [12:24] oh well :) === rjo_ is now known as rjo [12:24] I don't need the extra speed badly.. yet :) [12:26] actually, now that the crappy dithering is off, the rendering is now faster in every application :) [12:27] dithering sucks anyway. Who in the right mind wants to go blind? :) [12:38] SloMo_: Almost perfect, but you put some things in for translation that the user doesn't see. For instance entry.Show == 'Empty' comes from pyxdg, that needs to say 'Empty' no matter what language you're using. === vuntz is now known as vuntz|zZz === darkling [~hugo@81-5-136-19.dsl.eclipse.net.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Baby [~nena@baby.kavi.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BleSS [~johanson@40.Red-83-38-120.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BleSS [~johanson@40.Red-83-38-120.pooles.rima-tde.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Vinque.org] === skora [~skora@69-173-194-127.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] howdy. [01:18] hi skora [01:24] skora, hey [01:24] hmm [01:25] do you know where I can find it at ? [01:25] k [01:25] thanks [01:25] skora, you msg'd me the question rather than asking it in the channel [01:26] oh sorry. I thought you messaged just to me before hand. [01:26] ack, sry again. [01:26] *laughs* [01:27] third time lucky [01:27] i was going to put that into main chan [01:27] hello everyone, i have a question about jdong's ubp-build.py script === KaiL_ [KaiL@p548F7646.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] I'm new to breezy. What should I do when I see: [01:38] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [01:38] splay: Depends: libid3-3.8.3 but it is not installable [01:38] E: Broken packages [01:38] should I (a) grin and bear it, (b) whinge here, (c) report it as a bug on bugzilla (d) none of the above? [01:39] a and c [01:39] thanks. [01:39] I'll do that. [01:46] elmo: Can we get MJ Ray removed from the keyring on the grounds that I'm sure his passport doesn't call him "MJ"? [01:51] Amaranth: at that position I wasn't sure ;) well but if that kind of mistakes are the only ones... ;) everything else works? [01:54] haven't actually run it [01:54] just looking at the code so i can merge it to my 0.8 tree [02:04] sorry to be a pain, but I have 2 more questions: 1) is there a separate bugzilla for breezy? 2) is it OK to report 'universe' bugs, or aren't you interested in them? [02:04] (I'm sure I'll become useful at some point in the future) [02:05] I don't see anywhere on the bug reporting page where I can specify whether the bug is in hoary or breezy === alerim [~alerim@voltaire-103-1-85.net1.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:15] Amaranth: when you merged it, can you send me a copy of your 0.8 tree? then i'll send just patches against that when i have new changes [02:16] SloMo_: I'll be putting it in my berlios.de svn repo [02:17] https://developer.berlios.de/projects/menueditor/ [02:18] Amaranth: thanks... i'll have a look at it tomorrow... and now i'll go to sleep ;) [02:18] night === Baby [~nena@baby.kavi.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [~doko___@dsl-082-082-201-086.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === moquist [~moquist@pool-64-222-177-71.man.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spanglesontoast [~spangles@eddland.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SloMo [~slomo@p5487E017.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:15] bit dead in here [03:19] weekend === spanglesontoast [~spangles@eddland.plus.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["yay] === tsume [~tsume@myvl-c-66-191.254-239.chartertn.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dougsk [~doug@65.61.112-64.ptr.llix.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:10] does anyone have an adm8211 based wi-fi card? === Chislon [~Chislon@24-176-45-129.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Safari_Al [~tr@ppp231-201.lns3.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Robinho_Peixoto [~robinho@200165121245.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OddAbe19 [~OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:28] morning === diego [~diego@adsl-69-153-133-80.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ska-fan [~ska-fan@dsl-082-082-196-195.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ska-fan [~ska-fan@dsl-082-082-196-195.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-137-77-155.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === srbaker_ [~srbaker@blk-137-77-155.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === srbaker_ is now known as srbaker === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-137-77-155.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ahuman01 [~ahuman01@141.152.253.158] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-88.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:45] Morning [08:46] hey pitti [08:47] gf is still asleep -> some h4ck time :-) [08:47] ehheh [08:47] <\sh> morning [08:47] uh, doko uploading xorg :-) [08:47] pitti: let's deroot the kernel :) [08:48] fabbione: let's run the kernel as nobody as user process on top of HURD [08:48] <\sh> python-kde3_3.11.4+snapshot20050316-0ubuntu2_source.changes ACCEPTED [08:48] <\sh> now it goes [08:48] pitti: yeah i guess doko got pissed at xbase-client breakage [08:48] pitti: nah.. on top of OS/2 or a windows kernel === pitti makes an ugly noise [08:53] goody [08:53] time to do the last ppc64 test build and upload [08:53] no actually.. it's sunday :) [08:53] upload tomorrow :) [08:54] <\sh> fabbione: pray before u upload (only sundays) ;) [08:54] jamesh: why should i pray??? === Simira [~Simira@179.80-202-212.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:54] i know these kernels won't even boot [08:55] but at least i can make the buildd spending some extra CPU heating and increase universe entropy [08:55] <\sh> fabbione: cause it's sunday :) the day where u normally go to church and pray ;) [08:55] jamesh: given that you believe in church.... === \sh is not jamesh ;) [08:55] ops [08:55] sorry [08:56] well time to take my wife to scouts [08:56] bbl === minghua_ [~chatzilla@adsl-69-153-133-167.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua_ [~chatzilla@adsl-69-153-133-167.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.95.57.102] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:26] argh! why must gfloppy be so floppy-centric [09:27] Treenaks: I thought it was way easier to hack a new pygtk app? 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[11:04] why not just dyndns.org? [11:05] or $theothertentousandofdem [11:07] <\sh> hmm...i could setup a dyndns alike service on sourcecode.de or on linux-server.org [11:07] or use them for something cool [11:07] or sell them on ebay! === chris38-home2 [~Christian@LNeuilly-152-22-2-96.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:08] <\sh> hmm... [11:08] <\sh> no [11:08] <\sh> linuxshop.de and linuxmall.de are for selling ;) u want them? ,-) [11:12] daniels: dyndns has no hostnames with ubuntu in them :) [11:13] register ubuntu.dyndns.org and delegate NS records [11:13] stupid smbfs [11:13] it flakes out every 12 hours or so [11:13] then breaks lsof output [11:13] <\sh> hahaha === mvo [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:14] umounting and remounting would fix it [11:14] if I could find out what is still using it [11:14] Run ls -R through /proc and see where it breaks [11:16] mjg59: it seems to succeed [11:20] Haha [11:20] lsof ought to work, then [11:21] lsof: WARNING: can't stat() smbfs file system /mnt/ooder [11:21] Oh, right [11:21] Oops [11:21] Well, ls -R through /proc and look for anything with a cwd or an fd in there [11:24] hrm === JaneW [~JaneW@wbs-146-178-239.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zeedo [~zeedo@www.reboot-robot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [~hunger@p54A65FAC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Loevborg [~loevborg@d36-75.dip.isp-service.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zorglub [~zorglub@wahe.diwi.org] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === loo [~loo@h195202157016.moe.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vuntz|zZz is now known as vuntz === Lathiat [~lathiat@202.92.213.227] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin_ant [~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [~agp@cm-80.111.96.084.chello.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === susus [~sz@p5089F95E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === darkling [~hugo@81-5-136-19.dsl.eclipse.net.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [~hunger@p54A65FAC.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["...] [12:48] morn AndyFitz [12:48] yo tseng nite here how goes ? [12:49] good thanks [12:49] whats up? === shawarma [~sh@3E6B503C.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [~koke@adsl229-164.unizar.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lathiat [~lathiat@gasp.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] Do any of you guys have access to the wiki database? I can't log in. I get a Unicode decode error, probably because of a Danish character in my name... [12:59] chilling on a perfect sunday mate. hows your weekend ? [12:59] ..and I'd like it to be changed, so that I can log in [01:12] shawarma, can you login at http://launchpad.ubuntu.com and change the account details? === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:17] shawarma, ? === herzi [~herzi@c172202.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tuhl [~tuhl@p5498FB97.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:30] mdke: Sorry, I was away.. [01:30] np [01:30] Any ideas when X will wok again? [01:31] mdke: Yup, I can. I didn't know they used the same user database.. [01:31] it works now. [01:31] mdke: Thanks! [01:31] tuhl, i tried yesterday wasn't working, but several people in #ubuntu told me that theirs is working out of the box [01:31] shawarma, np [01:31] if you've fiddled symlinks yourself to get stuff working, you've likely broken your system [01:32] else, the only other issue I know of is with manually-edited configuration files [01:32] daniels, i did a clean colony 1 install and upgrades yesterday and X would start because of a font problem [01:32] would/wouldn't [01:32] is it worth filing a bug? [01:32] did you dist-upgrade? [01:32] yes [01:33] thats already been fixed unless you editing xorg.conf [01:33] mdke: no, already fixed in later versions [01:33] hmm [01:33] i wonder why it didn't work for me [01:33] is it uploaded? [01:33] yes [01:33] :/ [01:34] i tried booting in single user and doing a -reconfigure, no dice [01:34] daniels, if it is fixed, maybe my problem was another one? [01:35] mdke: are you getting 'can't open default font "fixed"'? [01:35] yes [01:35] and the system crashes [01:35] sort of [01:35] firstly, check which version of xserver-xorg you have [01:35] secondly, check what the FontPath entries are in xorg.conf [01:36] they were /usr/share [01:36] if they're /usr/lib/X11 rather than /usr/share/X11, change 'em [01:36] i see [01:36] as for the version, it was the latest from the archives [01:36] everything was up to date except a couple of packages kept back like evolution-data-server [01:37] what version is xfonts-misc? [01:37] er, xfonts-base [01:37] mdke: the xbase-clients package based on xorg is broken [01:37] i'm afraid I can't tell you specifically, i formatted, but it was up to date [01:38] daniels, ^ [01:38] i'll reinstall again if you think it is worth pursuing [01:38] have some time on my hands today [01:39] tuhl: different issue === feretrius [~feretrius@N474P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:40] mdke: sure, if you want to; i can't see how it would occur, from here [01:41] the first dist-upgrade i did didn't go cleanly. x-window-system-core didn't get upgraded due to dependency problems, then I did a second dist-upgrade and it worked fine. could that be related to the problem? === alerim [~alerim@voltaire-103-1-85.net1.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:42] uhm, probably [01:42] no idea why [01:42] it was literally a clean install from cd then straight into synaptic for a dist-upgrade [01:43] default sources.list [01:43] oh well === feretrius is now known as feretrius_ === herzi [~herzi@c172202.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bskahan [~bskahan@pool-70-19-54-124.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martinhj [~martinhj@host-81-191-103-214.bluecom.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:16] hi [02:16] I updated to the latest X11 packages [02:16] X still does not start [02:16] Fatal server error: [02:16] could not open default font 'fixed'; [02:17] obviously there is a problem with xfs [02:17] where does it log to? [02:17] a) this is a #ubuntu thing, b) we don't use fs at all, and never have [02:18] ok [02:19] I was used tio ferdora sorry [02:19] so there is a problem open fixed font... [02:20] who can I fix this? by reconfiguring X? === alerim [~alerim@courbevoie-102-1-140.net1.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:24] what is the reason why the DISPLAY env var is not set when I login by ssh? [02:25] <\sh> tuhl: no xauth? === |QuaD-_ [~QuaD@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-49-4.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:26] \sh: which xauth: /usr/bin/xauth [02:27] hi [02:27] elmo, lamont: any idea of why evolution doesn't build? [02:27] <\sh> tuhl: then ForwardX11 yes in ~/.ssh/config ? [02:32] \sh yes [02:33] in /etc/ssh/ [02:33] <\sh> tuhl: so xauth is on your remote machine [02:33] <\sh> ForwardX11 yes is in your local .ssh/confi [02:34] <\sh> X11Forwarding yes [02:34] <\sh> X11DisplayOffset 10 [02:34] <\sh> in your remote /etc/ssh/sshd_config? [02:35] Hngh. === mjg59 stares at Acer DSDTs [02:39] mjg59: did a fix on my Acer's DSDT table too once (on a TravelMate 620). The question is if the fix does any real difference [02:39] \sh: because ssh is broken [02:39] <\sh> daniels: breezy? [02:39] you need to sudo ln -s /usr/bin/xauth /usr/bin/X11/xauth [02:39] <\sh> in hoary it works [02:39] \sh: yes [02:39] i filed a bug on it pre-warty === mjg59 figures out that most recent Acers have a standard way of notifying device removal [02:40] <\sh> daniels: surprise [02:40] daniels: thanks [02:41] seb128: I'm reviewing a rather old package here: http://www.metallikop.com/ubuntu/grubconf_0.5.1-4ubuntu2.dsc. The changelog states that you created 0.5.1-4ubuntu1, but this version never got uploaded to the archive. Do you remember what happened to that package? === opi [~emil@nat0.mnc.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:42] siretart: ?? [02:42] mjg59: what kind of devices is in question? IDE-devices in the module-bay? [02:42] siretart: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hoary-changes/2005-January/001417.html [02:42] seb128: yes, I'm a bit confused, too [02:43] martinhj: Yes [02:43] HAE?! [02:43] why doesn't that version appear on packages.ubuntu.com/grubconf [02:43] mjg59: because of the thread about laptop testing specs on ubuntu-devel list? [02:44] martinhj: Yeah [02:45] my X11 is working again after modifying the fonts paths === tuhl [~tuhl@p5498FB97.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:45] martinhj: ok, I'm the one who suggested it in to the specs. It's been a future in Windows for many years. Would love to see it in Linux too.. so Windows does not poll the ide bus or anything like that, then? [02:46] eh, that was for mjg59 :-) [02:46] Windows doesn't do it at all - the system drivers do it [02:46] So it's all entirely manufacturer specific [02:46] For the 620, it looks like it may have to be polled. The 650 has notification. [02:47] ok [02:48] is there a standard the manufacturer should follow to have notifications so one could bug the manufacturers to get them to fix the BIOSes? [02:48] seb128: evolution: spamassassin is not in main [02:48] martinhj: Nope [02:48] doko: oh, they made a Depends of it? I've not noticed, thanks === LinuxJones [~willy@blk-222-221-81.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:49] doko: are you sure? The build log complains about a e-s-d lib [02:49] martinhj: Not as far as I can tell, at least... [02:49] mjg59: I cann still open a bug if you want to [02:50] martinhj: Yeah, please do [02:50] seb128: at least it cannot be _installed_ for that reason [02:50] doko: it's not even built [02:51] doko: my local tree has it a Recommends [02:51] doko: I don't get it [02:53] mjg59: under what package? [02:54] martinhj: The kernel for now, and cc mjg59@codon.org.uk on it [02:55] ok === martink [~martin@p54B3999D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anto9us [~antoninus@cpc2-ptal1-5-1-cust109.swan.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:03] is anyone involved in the ubuntulinux.org web development here? I'm not sure but I may have exposed a security issue [03:03] seb128: libecall1.2-3 is not in main [03:04] yeah, soname change [03:04] anto9us, you can contact the webmaster or file a bug maybe [03:04] seb128: and why doesn't libedataserver1.2-dev depend on an old db4.1-dev? [03:04] seb128: better: and why does libedataserver1.2-dev depend on an old db4.1-dev? [03:04] doko: why not? [03:04] doko: it uses libdb4.1 [03:08] daniels: where there some significant changes in the r200 driver between the one used in hoary and the one in breezy? (maybe some performance fixed backported?) [03:08] mdke: I don't have the time or energy and this potential exploit may already be out in the open, I've sort of accidentily revealed it in #ubuntu, can I private message you? [03:08] anto9us, i can't do anything about it [03:08] maybe elmo can [03:09] anto9us, but if you have the energy to talk about it here, you should be able to write an email to the webmaster [03:09] anto9us: give me the details and I'll see if I can get the attention of our internal web people. [03:09] mdke: I want to know if it's something that should be worried about [03:10] KaiL_: none whatsoever [03:10] ok === thesaltydog [~pippo@62.211.45.42] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Danten [~danten@h140n7c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yvonne [~fsck@cn-sdm-cr02-0077.dial.kabelfoon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eruin [~eruin@213-145-179-140.dd.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Echylo [~echylo@91-183.245.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === scorpix [~scorpix@195.226.237.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:35] is there's any info about the next colony release?(Colony 2) [03:38] What is this Colony thing? I've heard it mentioned before? [03:38] each testing release of breezy [03:38] mdke: I see. [03:38] colony is the collective noun for badgers === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:38] (apparently) [03:38] mdke: Oh.. :-) Of course! [03:39] www.badgerbadgerbadger.com [03:42] if ((device->status.present) && !(old_status.present)) { [03:42] ACPI_DEBUG_PRINT((ACPI_DB_INFO, "Device insertion detected\n")); [03:42] /* TBD: Handle device insertion */ [03:42] } [03:42] COCK. [03:42] I think you need a semicolon not a period after 'COCK' [03:42] hope that helps. [03:44] dooglus, perhaps it is "COCK" as in F*CK? :) === scorpix [~scorpix@195.226.237.16] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:45] kent: I think so [03:46] I imagine he pasted that code by mistake. Perhaps he's a MicroSoft employee and that's the source code for Lornhorn, and he just gave it away by mistake. [03:48] No, I'm just swearing viciously at the completely useless state of the kernel ACPI support for anything other than servers [03:49] dooglus, ;) [03:49] I don't know much about ACPI support, but I can help you develop your swearing if you like [03:49] dooglus: it doesn't need any form of development whatsoever [03:50] daniels: I beg to differ. If he thinks that "COCK" is swearing viciously, he's got a lot to learn. ;) [03:53] dooglus: You might want to check http://www.livejournal.com/users/mjg59/ [03:54] I would like to take this opportunity to withdraw my heartless allegations of swearing-n00biness. You are the swear master. [03:57] *laughs* [03:57] my god he is [03:58] He knows how to call Adobe Acrobat an "utter, utter cockmonkey". That's pretty advanced stuff. [04:00] subtle criticism [04:01] a link not to click for the easily offended: http://www.livejournal.com/~mjg59/31005.html [04:02] oh, I see what you mean. hex arithmetic. nasty. [04:02] his avatar is a hoodie === mdke slaps an asbo on mjg59 [04:03] That is so not a hoodie [04:03] ;) [04:03] too late now [04:03] looks like a cap with flappy ears to me [04:03] the asbo is in place [04:03] It's Marvin the Martian [04:05] = hoodie [04:05] dpkg-deb: building package `linux-image-2.6.12-1-iseries-smp' in `../linux-image-2.6.12-1-iseries-smp_2.6.11.93-1.2_powerpc.deb'. [04:05] whops.. ECHAN [04:05] mdke: I'm pretty sure he was a Martian, not a jumper [04:06] well he is dressed appropriately for a saturday night round east london [04:10] mjg59: I just read your Tuesday, May 17th posting about frequency scaling. My P4 laptop suffers thermal death regularly in Hoary, but never in Mandriva. If I run a "while(1);" loop in Hoary, the fan will run faster and faster and after 5 minutes the laptop will power down. Any idea why Mandriva copes and Ubuntu doesn't? [04:11] Is Mandriva using ACPI? [04:12] append="devfs=mount splash=silent acpi=ht resume=/dev/hda5" === Lovechild [~dnielsen@Lovechild.love-sources] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:13] that's from the Mandrake lilo stanza [04:13] Hmm. I'm not sure if that disables the rest of acpi or not. I think it might do. [04:15] I've no idea why I have acpi=ht there, but I do, and it seems to give me a system that boots and stays up. Which is more than I can say for ubuntu :( [04:16] I wouldn't normally run the CPU flat out for 5 minutes at a time, but with the buggy ubuntu 'grep' I find I'm accidentally doing it quite often [04:16] it's not buggy, it's just not very performant [04:17] daniels: I think it is buggy. Taking a time that's proportional to the square of the input file size instead of proportional to the size of the input file is a bug IMHO [04:18] daniels: it means that it's impossible to grep through any reasonably large file, due to not having enough hours in the day [04:18] mandrake doesn't use gnu grep? [04:18] it does, but gnu grep has the bug [04:20] on my laptop, this command runs in about half a second: time yes | head -999999 | LC_ALL=C grep . | wc -l [04:21] fedora has a patch to fix it [04:21] on the same laptop, this command runs in about 40 hours: time yes | head -9999 | LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 grep . | wc -l [04:21] that's a bug, right? (oops - I missed a couple of 9's from that 2nd command) [04:22] certainly worth ranting on irc about [04:22] bob2: :) [04:22] It's not buggy. It behaves correctly at all times. [04:23] i see no difference here [04:23] it takes 0.45 secs in both run [04:23] actually... [04:23] But utf-8 is much slower to deal with [04:23] with en_US is faster [04:23] fabbione: did you try: yes | head -999999 | LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 grep . | wc -l [04:23] yes [04:23] real 0m0.339s [04:23] (6 nines) [04:23] yes [04:23] to 0.352s [04:23] time yes | head -999999 | LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 grep . | wc -l [04:23] 999999 [04:23] real 0m0.438s [04:24] time yes | head -999999 | LC_ALL=C grep . | wc -l [04:24] 999999 [04:24] real 0m0.465s [04:24] grep --version ? [04:25] fabbione: do you have en_US.UTF-8 generated? [04:25] if not, presumably it falls back to C [04:25] en_US is fast for me, en_AU is not [04:26] bob2: how can you tell which locale you have generate? [04:26] d [04:26] bob2: yeps [04:26] i don't use en_IT :) [04:26] heh [04:27] dooglus: I'm guessing grep sucks with utf-8 strings? [04:27] dooglus: cat /etc/locale.gen [04:27] bob2: the problem is that grep runs over the whole input file for every match it does [04:27] bob2: so it takes quadratic time instead of linear === Micksa [~mslade@203-217-18-166.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pamri [~pamri@dialpool-210-214-120-12.maa.sify.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pamri is now known as pamri_AWAY === hunger [~hunger@p54A65FAC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [~herzi@d080056.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === venda [~sean@ndn-165-138-57.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:02] can anyone recomend an IDE for Python other than IDLE [05:04] emacs/vim. [05:04] what about apps like Komodo [05:05] boa-contructor [05:07] bob2 what about eric3 [05:17] daniels: Please fix the slave link setup for twm's manpage in its postinst script. [05:17] hunger: i still don't see what's wrong. [05:18] (it's also sunday night) [05:18] daniels: You do not need to do it now, but please include it in the next upload. === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax8-151.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [~aks@CPE0050ba556e4b-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:39] hunger: do you have a patch? === dand [~dand@83.103.205.136] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:42] tseng: Yes, just talked to daniels about it. [05:42] great, thanks. [05:42] tseng: He argues that he is doing the right thing and I have a screwed up system somehow. === martink [~martin@p54B3999D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tsume [~tsume@tsume.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:56] shouldn't apt-file depend on curl? === martinhj [~martinhj@host-81-191-103-214.bluecom.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:59] mjg59: the bug-report ok? [06:00] martinhj: Yup, that's great, thanks [06:00] I may have some extra debug stuff for you to test at some point, but no urgency [06:01] mjg59: post it in the bugzilla or just mail me and I can add it === Baby [~nena@baby.kavi.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:23] Amaranth: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=307833 [06:23] ah, good to know [06:23] the maintainer disagree [06:23] is that what is good to know? :) [06:24] *boggle* [06:25] how the hell can he disagree? it doesn't work without it [06:25] read the bug [06:25] it works if you configure it to use wget [06:26] which is crack, how am i supposed to know that? [06:27] read the bug [06:28] i did [06:28] i like the Depends: wget | curl [06:29] I've reopenned, that's the right way to fix it imho [06:29] just because the debian maintainer is braindead doesn't mean we have to be, it should 'Just Work' on install :) [06:29] it'll [06:30] but that doesn't mean we should let the bug for Debian and fix it for Ubuntu [06:30] no, i'm not saying that [06:31] just saying if he refuses to do anything i'll be submitting a patch for a MOTU [06:31] it's already fixed IIRC [06:31] there is a malone bug for it [06:31] malone is broken [06:32] how so? [06:33] well, the main bugs pain gives an error and you can't file bugs [06:33] s/pain/page/ === hunger thinks "pain" is rather fitting here... [06:34] hehe [06:35] i forget what that's called [06:36] somebody has opened #920 about apt-file [06:36] grrr [06:36] dup of #715 [06:36] why people never look for a bug before putting a dup [06:36] there is like 1 bug about apt-file [06:36] 1 search to do [06:38] yeah, i opened 920 [06:38] Sep128: When I tried I could not search in malone, so I do not even try anymore before reporting a bug there. [06:38] because when i clicked the link to search i got an error [06:38] sep128: But then I do avoid reporting stuff in malone altogether and pester the people here instead;-) [06:38] no specific error, malone hides it behind an 'oops' page [06:39] works here [06:39] I've closed the bug [06:39] https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/ [06:39] "Sorry, a system error occurred" [06:40] that's not a correct URI [06:40] that's what the report a bug page links to === {Seb} [~spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:41] at the end of reporting a bug i got that error page too, i didn't even think it went through [06:44] heh, everytime you expand the 'Follow up on this comment' box the middle column gets bigger [06:44] <{Seb}> i see there has been a new xorg package accepted into breezy [06:44] <{Seb}> does this fix X? [06:45] best working X i've had yet [06:45] dunno if a clean install of it works though [06:45]